I think if I were in a position where I could do that, I would be worried that it wouldn't get the desired result that you want. For sure. Like, he wouldn't stop fighting if you just give him the Alamo.

Now they've had the Democrat Party lawyers on CNN last week saying, we just want him off air. We don't want money.

No, at that point I couldn't get anybody to help me. You were looking? I was, by then I'm pretty certain by 2016 I had contacted... The Agents Association, I had been looking for people. I had been asking the U.S. Attorney's Office to help me. I had been asking the FBI New Haven to help me. So, yes, I was looking for help. And then finally, you know, the only person to ever even listen was Mr. Koskoff. He's, you know, he was a gentleman gracious enough to listen to me, and that's why we're here.

It's all political. It's all a message to you that if you stand up against corruption, if you stand up against open borders and human smuggling and World War III and the pedophilia and the transgenderism, we're going to get you. Their attack on me is a message to you to shut up and roll over and be bullied and be intimidated.

But that was Raynal. That's the thing that makes me resist giving him too many compliments because that was an unforced error. Oh, that was maybe the biggest unforced error that you could possibly have. Yeah. Revealing all the crimes. Bad idea.

Barnes is aware of what's going on. He's even made points in this deposition where he probably shouldn't be talking. Well, in the same way that Enoch knows what he's doing by disrupting, Barnes knows what he's doing by allowing Rob to show up... Completely unprepared. Right, as the corporate representative.

I was bewildered when he did. It's another delay tactic, and I think he's trying to get these families again to settle and just agree to a lesser amount just so he goes away. I mean, his behavior has been completely shameful.

I mean, I maintain that the luckiest man alive is Ray Nall, just because Norm exists.

I'm so mad at everyone in these depositions for doing the exact same thing sooner or later, which is trying to somehow obfuscate in a way that they think will outsmart. Don't play word games with a lawyer. I mean, just don't. It's not a good idea.

I think when you're someone like Norm, you have to play by pro wrestling rules where you don't break kayfabe. Even backstage, you're still in character. There's still a like, hey, doing pretty well out there.

He was saying that one of the reasons that he thinks Jones didn't testify more is that It's really important to him to be on the outside calling this all a sham because he thinks that the more time he would have spent in the courtroom, and I don't want to misstate his message, but I think this was pretty close to what he was saying. If he got close to this process, that it would sort of expose him as... This guy who's just a huckster and selling products and doing it on the backs of these people and lying about this and having to acknowledge that he had been lying about this for years, that that would damage him with his audience.

I mean, that's the thing, too, is the synergy off these cases. I mean, look, that was some finesse there to make that happen and required Federico not knowing his rules. But it ended up with a pretty large amount of data in our possession, which at my trial, I only had four. I mean, look, before I put those text messages in front of Jones. Because I was in trial all day the previous day, and that was my first day that I could look at these documents. I had about like four hours to be able to get that stuff together. So then Chris has a month with these text messages, right? And he battered him with these. Man, some of that stuff from Fruget is just brutal. And so you have these synergies between the case. You'll notice that in my case, in mine, we played deposition testimony, and half the depositions that we played were from Lafferty. It's interesting, Chris Maddy made an appearance in my trial, so did Matt Lumenthal, by questioning these witnesses. And it was these synergies between the cases. So right after the verdict, I called up Chris and I was like, man, it was nice to have a six-person trial team down there, because I had you and Matt as well down there. And so it's nice that if it had only been one case, you just don't know how it would have turned out. But when you have four and they synergize and they're all on the same page, you kind of know how they're all going to turn out. It really was that way.

I will die believing that if they had not presented any defense, if they had just been like, listen, we do not have any defense for our actions. The judgment would not be a billion dollars.

But top lawyers have looked at it and say, no, she wants to put you in jail if you tell the truth.

I do find it interesting because it does feel a little bit like Norm saw the first trial and Reynaud went with his halfway appeasing, halfway trying to slimeball evil into places. And then he was like, well, that lost. So fuck it. I'm just going to try and sling as much shit as I can. And maybe it'll lower the judgment. You know, maybe people will be like, I guess they are exaggerating. Why else? Or maybe you can make such a problem that it. Taints the jury. Or they get their mistrial.

And Lenny Posner and Veronique, they are the ones who really... They were the ones who really started going after Alex first for the lies that he was spread.

Lenny got Alex's videos taken down off YouTube.

The ultimate irony is that Barnes was Alex's lawyer during a lot of the beginning of the discovery abuse, so he might not be Alex's lawyer now, but he's in essence the architect of getting Alex into the situation he's in now.

Soros' lawyers, with the big law firm out of Houston, in the meetings, saying, we want it seized and shut down, we don't want the money. And of course, federal law says the judge is supposed to keep it going, quote, for the creditors, but they don't want money from judgments, you understand?

It's because Raynal knew damn well that he wasn't going to object and interrupt her. For as much of a shithead as he seems to be, I don't think Raynal is so detached from his humanity as to deprive Miss Lewis of her chance to speak her peace to Alex after all this time and him dodging the moment of having to look her in the face and hear her words.

Of all the decisions that Reynold made, which were terrible, and all of them were, the one that really caught my breath, because I was in the court that day, but when he decided to cross-examine both Neil and Scarlett, I gasped. I was like, there's no way you can possibly think this is a good legal strategy. To badger the people that we're talking about you defaming.

What I can't believe is that they allowed it to happen, that Jones gave testimony under oath about his financial condition before a bankruptcy proceeding. That is astonishing to me. Yeah, it's definitely unwise.

I will say that I want to say something nice about Brad because if it wasn't for Brad's forthrightness and honesty as an attorney, we likely would not have discovered some of the other malfeasance that occurred. When the shit was hitting the fan on that, Brad Reeves was not about to risk his license for these shenanigans, and he didn't. And so I gotta say something nice about him. And then he withdrew when it was time to withdrew, when it became apparent to him that any effective representation... He could have. I said, Brad, get out. It's about to get bad. And he got one more paycheck. One more paycheck. I said, you don't want to be a part of this, and he didn't. But no, I will say Brad was the only one. I mean, he inherited the shit that everybody inherited. That was already made. And he tried. But there was just, with us pressing the way that we were, excuse me, with Mark pressing the way that he was, you know, he couldn't keep up with that, plus go back and try to figure out the mess that was made. And finally, he was like, with no client, you know, what appeared to me to be no client helping him or control, he was just like, I'm out.

Yeah, and I mean, it's an act of mass gaslighting of his audience. Yeah. There is just an attempt to pretend you don't understand the situation, because if the audience did understand the situation better, it raises questions, and they are questions that Alex can only answer by, well, I'm stupid, or... I torpedoed my own ability to defend myself, knowing that I would be incompetent and unable to defend myself, given the opportunity. And that would be more humiliating than the situation we're in now, where I can just gaslight the shit out of you all, and you'll still give me money.

But you have to understand, the precedent they're setting on January 6th is designed to come after your freedom. The precedent happening to me is designed to come after your freedom. This is the beta test, and this is what they're doing.

And you would think, because here's why it's my bright spot. Because if you were a wise man who was going to testify on your own behalf, you would absolutely stick to what you said in your deposition, thus proving that you are not a liar.

But I think there's important things to remember here beyond that, too, and that is, one, Bannon chose not to do a defense. He could have done a defense. He did not. All of the stuff Alex is saying are the products of his decisions. He had every possibility to be able to raise a First Amendment defense. He didn't do it. He got fined a million dollars because he kept sending incompetent corporate representatives and the judge ran out of options. He can say that the trial is a staged, rigged thing, but he'll be taken out of court, probably held in contempt, just like anybody else in a courtroom would be. He's not special. There's no special victimhood here. It's the product of his choices, because he knew that if he went to trial, he would lose. And if he went to trial, he would lose, and it would be embarrassing. If he just decided not to participate, he'd end up losing by default, and this would be the situation we were in. And he could be like, oh, if only I had my day. If only they allowed me to defend myself. It's all just bullshit.

I met my legal obligations under their subpoena, but I pled the Fifth Amendment, not because I've done anything wrong, not because I have anything to hide, but because I have extensive experience with their ability to twist innocuous, immaterial, irrelevant things you say into a crime.

I mean, I honestly think one of the big reasons they pulled this bankruptcy shunt and stopped this trial is because they were all just staring around at each other like the moment is finally here and had no fucking idea what they were going to do in that courtroom. None. And so they were like, well, we can do this. That buys us another little time.

Given the way things have gone over the last few years, it's tough for me not to read this as an attempt to postpone or entirely derail the civil cases against him and Infowars, but as it stands now, I really don't know what to expect from this.

But while he was in Connecticut, he might have made a critical error, and that is he recorded a video of himself talking about the deposition. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Which may... Possibly open up the window for his deposition to become public since he's making public statements about it. This might have been a real disaster.

In these cases, I've told witnesses, especially ones that have been deposed by Mark and then are now being deposed by me. Or if we have a witness go day one and I'm doing the day two depots, I'll tell the witness, like, I'm just letting you know now, Mr. Bankston wasn't very pleasant yesterday and he's the nice one of us. Like, I will straight up just tell him.

Without knowing what the emails are, it's hard to tell if they're things that he could have missed, but I get the sense that Alex claiming to not use email personally is a strategic decision, so he can always claim ignorance if he's ever asked about anything.

It's a cookie-cutter, fill-in-the-blank excuse for why Alex isn't standing up and taking on the system.

I don't think Infowars fully understood it. I agree with that. That's the hilarious part. Is it the one they proposed? And I don't think they understood it.

I suspect, based on Alex's attempts to workshop an explanation, that one of two things is going on here. Either he knew about this document and is surprised to see it, so he's trying to come up with the cover story, or he had no idea about its existence, but he realizes how fucked up it is that that was in their files. So he's trying to come up with a cover story for that.

And normally my own private business would not be a... Importance to the news and to the listeners, but to explain myself just about the climate and where this country and the world is right now, this morning I went ahead and made the decision that I'm going to take the 5th officially with the January 6th Witch Hunt 3.0, as Roger Stone calls it, and that also a lawsuit we've been working on for the last week will be filed against the committee today.

I mean, I think that's, look, it's, it's a good theory, but the problem with that is, is that I really think that Jones was led astray by some really bad legal counsel in this case. And I feel like some people came in and told him, you are going to win. You're going to be a Larry Flint hero at the Supreme Court if you don't. And you are going to win. And we're going to vindicate this for you.

It's not hard to think that Alex is refusing to cooperate with the discovery process because he has something he really doesn't want to be public, like the exact nature of his finances or sources of funding. There's probably a good chance you knew he was going to lose these cases if they ever went to trial. So, if you're going to lose anyway, why not protect your business secrets and simultaneously create a situation where you can claim you weren't actually found guilty? This is a good PR strategy, but it probably won't matter.

It's not hard to think that Alex is refusing to cooperate with the discovery process because he has something he really doesn't want to be public, like the exact nature of his finances or sources of funding.

I mean, like, I think anybody who listens to our show probably is aware of how like very clear from an outsider's perspective it is that his strategy has been kick the can down the road. Yeah. Basically to make sure this doesn't go to trial or like, and partially, you know, so one of his legal strategies we've seen in the past has been, you know, if we protract this case, it'll cost the other people too much money and they'll want to settle. Yeah. And that seems to happen a bit. And I think he was banking on that happening here.

It was, it was always about delay. It was always about just not facing this.

So the rallies were going to come, and then there was a compromise reached inside the White House. So I'm just, this is my first time talking about it. And what they decided was until these cases start making their way through the courts, Trump does not want to position himself where the courts can hold a tweet against him or a rally against him. And so his tweets are very concentrated.

No, and I'm sure that the dropping of the appeal had nothing to do with what happened on Tuesday when the Senate Intel report was released, which gave so many more instances of Roger Stone in contact with Russian apparatchiks, if you will. I mean, why would you? Like, the appeal would have done it short. Today, there's a lot more evidence even further against him that might increase the sentencing.

And then the other second strong contender that I have is that Norm might have realized that that case was going to end with Alex losing in humiliating fashion.

Now, Alex gets to talking about his legal troubles, his court cases. He believes that these legal sanctions that they're applying are just because they know they can't win the case. So they're trying to destroy him that way. Just like, well, just behave differently then.

But the fact that there's no good answer for so, like, why is this person different than other conspiracy theorists? Like, you've worked for him for 20 years. Yeah. That indicates to me a lack of care or concern about defending yourself. It just feels like it's a tacit admission that you're not any different.

This supports my theory that Alex is just trying to spend all of the money he has left before the judges. You think it's a Brewster's million? I really think because why else would you appoint Rob Dew as your corporate representative?

It seems like they're dangerously patient.

Without Barnes there just yelling objection all the time, it kind of the flow of the questioning is much different. The lawyer not having to deal with Barnes' antics makes him way more effective.