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Nov. 20, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#504: November 16-17, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the intermediate period after Alex Jones returned from DC, and before he left for Georgia. In this installment, Alex talks to some violent weirdos, warns of gun-wielding robots, and sits through a caller relaying a dream from 16 years ago.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
09:35
d
dan friesen
41:18
j
jordan holmes
20:31
Appearances
a
ali alexander
02:38
Clips
g
gavin mcinnes
00:06
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owen shroyer
00:25
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is Socrates.
jordan holmes
Socrates.
dan friesen
And that it is know thyself.
jordan holmes
Oh, it wasn't just the word Socrates.
dan friesen
No, it is the Oracle of Delphi.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Whatever the fuck.
Know thyself.
Yes.
Because I started to think about stuff earlier this week, and I was thinking about, like, what do I know about myself?
Well, I like spicy stuff.
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's a good starting point.
dan friesen
I just so happened to have a spice challenge sitting around that we were going to eat on camera.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The nuts.
dan friesen
No, it wasn't the nuts.
It was the white chocolate bar.
jordan holmes
Oh, the white chocolate bar.
dan friesen
White Lightning, I believe, is the name of it.
And I bought this white chocolate bar that has a bunch of chilies in it because I was like, hey, that sounds interesting.
Second, they were giving meals to charity for every bar that they sold.
So it was sort of a charity drive.
I was like, I'll buy this and we'll try it and we'll have some fun.
Now, it was sitting on my counter and I thought to myself, would I enjoy this?
Without an audience?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Would I enjoy this spice, like, crazy hot thing without the added element of people watching me eat it?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Can I enjoy this without it being content?
jordan holmes
And now we get to know thyself.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I don't like spicy stuff that much.
unidentified
Because I ate about half of it alone.
And I thought it was terrible.
dan friesen
It sucked.
I don't know if I'm getting older or what, but it was unpleasant.
I found it to be too much.
It hurt.
jordan holmes
It's all punctured.
You don't like fucking spicy things.
You don't like seltzers.
You're not going to like vinegars anymore.
All these plants are alive.
They're all fake.
All this shit is bullshit, Dan.
dan friesen
It's all about worms now.
jordan holmes
Are you actually listening to this show?
Is this just you and me?
dan friesen
I have all these sock puppet accounts.
jordan holmes
Are you trolling me with the greatest troll it is?
dan friesen
I have fake addresses I'm sending buttons to.
Yes, that is what's going on.
jordan holmes
That would be a good scam.
dan friesen
I still really like spicy stuff, but I don't like really spicy stuff, I think.
You know, I don't know.
Maybe it was late 20s, early 30s.
I was in a real extreme spice kind of place.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Got your picture on a wall everywhere?
dan friesen
Sure, I've achieved.
I've achieved something.
And I think that maybe it's just over for me, for the extreme spice.
So I will be getting a hot as opposed to an extra hot at the Thai place in the future.
And I think that's okay.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
That is okay.
That is my bright spot, is accepting that about myself.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
How about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is piano solos.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Piano solos is my bright spot.
Well, actually, this is a mix of a great bright spot and a bit of a sad note.
dan friesen
The outro to Layla?
Very sad.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
I was listening to Yoko Kanno play the piano solo on Adieu from the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack, and it's a really, really good piano solo.
dan friesen
Second only to the outro from Layla.
jordan holmes
It's very Thelonious Monk in its syncopation.
It's really, really good.
And then I was thinking about my favorite pianist of all time is Keith Jarrett.
Do you know who Keith Jarrett is?
dan friesen
I do not.
jordan holmes
He is a jazz pianist who will give these literally hour and a half long...
Improvised piano concerts where it's basically just him for an hour and a half.
And he's fucking riveting.
His music is beautiful and he is incredible.
He's a dynamite performer.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
And I just found out that he had a stroke.
dan friesen
Oh no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he's lost the ability to use his right hand.
I can't remember.
It's one of his hands, though.
So he'll probably never play live again.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
Maybe he'll be the Def Leppard drummer of piano.
jordan holmes
If anybody could do it, I'm telling you, he is incredible.
So I'm pouring one out for Keith Jarrett's hand until such time as it recovers.
dan friesen
That's very sentimental, and we're wishing the best.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you get the chance, listen to one of his live albums.
dan friesen
I want to transition into a less sad thought, more of like why my brain is bad.
I was thinking the whole time you were talking, we've had pianos for a very long time now.
I can't imagine anyone's doing anything new with them.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
I don't, like, you're telling me about how great he is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
dan friesen
I was like, yeah, I think we've done the piano stuff.
jordan holmes
Let's start talking about numbers.
How many keys does a piano have?
dan friesen
88, baby.
jordan holmes
How many different possible combinations of 88 over any number of measures are there?
unidentified
Well, I mean, some of them don't sound good.
jordan holmes
That's why you're looking for the good ones, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
But we've had a lot of time.
jordan holmes
Sure, just because there are an...
Infinite number of possible combinations.
dan friesen
You say that.
jordan holmes
Because it's true!
dan friesen
Yeah, I think I might be done with all music.
jordan holmes
We did it, guys.
Wrap it up.
We got all the music we need.
dan friesen
Now, see, here's why my brain doesn't work again.
You're like, let's talk numbers.
I'm like, yeah, wait, we've done everything we can with numbers, too.
jordan holmes
What about the set of infinite numbers?
dan friesen
I'm in a weird headspace.
unidentified
A set of whole numbers is infinite.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're talking about November 16th and 17th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
We're doing it.
dan friesen
Wow, you're leaning into the end of the year.
jordan holmes
I finally reached it.
It's 11...
How many...
This has been, what?
dan friesen
11 months.
jordan holmes
100 episodes since you started doing, Dan, this is 2020.
I gotta accept it sooner or later.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's just how it's gotta go.
dan friesen
Sometimes submission is what you need.
Sometimes you need to submit to the universe.
unidentified
It does.
dan friesen
And when the universe insists on saying this thing...
jordan holmes
I'm gonna be honest, it feels a little bit like the end of 1984 with this bit here.
I just love the government now, Dan.
dan friesen
Great!
I'm Dan, this is the government.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So, this is a stretch of time that I think is a little bit of a stopgap.
We're talking about beginning of this week, Monday and Tuesday.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And there's a reason.
And our Monday episode will pick up on Wednesday and go through the rest of the week.
Okay.
Everybody who's listened to this probably already knows, Alex has gone down to Atlanta.
Yes.
Because there's a protestant to do, and he's got to try and stop the steal.
He's on his...
And I kind of feel like that's an extension of the caravan.
jordan holmes
Alex went down to Georgia looking for an election to steal.
That's what's happening here.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
So, I just...
Hold on to that part.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex is going to Georgia and doing all this stuff.
And it's not obviously part of the caravan.
And the caravan went through Atlanta on its way up to D.C. So they've already just been there.
But it kind of has the same spiritual energy of Info Wars on the road.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
It's a bit of a sequel.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Monday we'll have the sequel of Alex's adventure in Atlanta.
And this is this interstitial period where Alex is back in Austin in studio.
Sure.
And complaining a whole bunch.
jordan holmes
It's kind of like Steve Coogan and Rob Bryden in The Trip.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on this episode, but before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Gaptoothkilla, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, GTK.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, Andrew G., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Andrew.
Were you about to say Andrew Dice Clay?
dan friesen
WK.
jordan holmes
Okay, I gotcha.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
Next, another lunatic.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Another lunatic.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Bill in Virginia Warren.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Bill in Virginia.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, creator.
And it's spelled C-R-E-8-H-E-R.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, creator!
dan friesen
Thank you so much!
Next, Dave, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Dave!
dan friesen
Thank you, Dave!
jordan holmes
I like a good Dave.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes
Serengeti.
dan friesen
Do you like the movie, Dave?
jordan holmes
Uh, no, not a fan.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Had nothing to say in follow-up to that.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope, we're good.
dan friesen
That's fine.
Next, Tiger High eats license plates and ChaiCom globalists.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
That stuff.
dan friesen
And finally, like I say, thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So Chris E., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Sarah McEff., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Chris, and thank you so much, Sarah.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Indeed we would.
dan friesen
Or.
jordan holmes
Or, what you could do, if you find yourself filled with a generous spirit and you need to express that, find your way over to a little device that has 88 keys on it and play one of the 10 approved songs that Dan allows, and then use that generous spirit to express music in a way that gets you to local charity or bail fund.
I lost it a little bit at the end because of your bitter rage towards pianos.
dan friesen
You think there's actually 10?
jordan holmes
How many would you bet?
dan friesen
Six.
unidentified
Six?
dan friesen
Anyway, here's another context drop for today's show.
jordan holmes
Sounds good.
ali alexander
God acts through math, and math tells us that the Democrats cheated.
dan friesen
This is just logic.
This makes sense.
You can't refute that.
jordan holmes
I'm just real done with God.
I'm just real done with God.
dan friesen
He acts through math.
So in this first clip where we start off the show, Alex, boy, he...
I think on our last episode, he had to go off air or threatened to go off air twice.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
He's now switching it up and just going off air as soon as the show begins.
jordan holmes
I like it.
alex jones
We have massive breaking news.
I actually have to go off air here for a few minutes and talk to some insiders.
I'll leave it at that.
On how the Clintons are now stealing Georgia, preparing to criminally certify it, and how serious the situation is.
But we have a path forward.
First, I want to play a little bit of my speech.
Yesterday, again, I'm your host, Alex Jones.
No, no, no, no, they're not.
dan friesen
They're not estimating that.
jordan holmes
Who is estimating that?
dan friesen
Him?
unidentified
Alex's?
jordan holmes
They is doing a lot of work there.
dan friesen
So Alex is getting this information that they're trying to steal Georgia.
And so as we know, by the end of this, Alex will head to Atlanta to meet up with Ali Alexander, who's doing the Stop the Steal thing.
jordan holmes
Doing great stuff.
dan friesen
And I wanted to stop you before you started talking about Alex going down to Georgia.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because I've written a song.
jordan holmes
Now...
I'm sorry for stepping on your one of six songs.
dan friesen
I do think that this episode is not as good as I want it to be.
There's not as much happening.
Alex is kind of...
Just talking about how Georgia needs to, it's on his mind, and how it needs to, they need to take it over, and what have you.
And so I thought, as a bonus to the audience and to the people, I would write my own version of The Devil Went Down to Georgia, but about Alex and Ali Alexander.
jordan holmes
Do you have accompaniment?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No?
Do you want to get a piano?
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn it!
dan friesen
I might do some mouth sounds, though.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
I'll take that.
dan friesen
Alex went down to Georgia.
He was looking to stop the steal.
His sales were down, his staff's a clown, and his situation is an ordeal.
When he came across this young man spinning a yarn and spinning it hot, Alex jumped up on top of his tank and said, Boy, let me tell you what.
Now you spin a mighty fine yarn, boy, but give the Texan his due.
I need your skills to sell my pills, but I'm still better than you.
The boy said, my name's Ali, and it might be unwise, but I'll join your scam to make some clams, because I only have shameful allies.
Meter was a little off.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm going to give that one to you.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
It's perfect so far.
Just keep on rolling.
unidentified
Ali, rising up your theories and push your talking points hard.
Because there's profit to make in Georgia and Alex is a blowhard.
If this works, the money and renown are all yours.
dan friesen
But if you don't, you'll end up working at Infowars.
Alex mumbled about his obsession with the unborn.
unidentified
And fire...
I might have to take that one from the top.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna be honest with you.
unidentified
You just don't get this from other political podcasts.
jordan holmes
You just don't.
dan friesen
Alex mumbled about his obsession with the unborn, and fire flew from his fingertips when he gripped his tiny bullhorn.
And he pushed the talk button, and there was a static hiss.
He'd forgotten to replace the battery, so it sounded something like this.
As Alex fumbled, Ali said, your tech problems are sad, old son.
I know you have a million-dollar studio, but let me show you how it's done.
unidentified
Fraud in the votes, run, boys, run!
All you have to do is say Dominion!
Pretend QAnon shit is solid info!
dan friesen
Is Roger Stone pulling my strings?
No, child, no.
unidentified
*WrestleMania 1 Alex got a...
jordan holmes
I didn't think there was any way there was another verse.
There's a conclusion.
Sir, you are going for it.
unidentified
There's a conclusion.
jordan holmes
Your commitment to this is fucking fantastic.
There's a story being told here.
No, I'm with you.
dan friesen
Alex got a misty look in his eye because he knew he'd met a friend, and he offered Allie his tiny bullhorn, handing it by the speaker end.
Allie said, can you call Larry Nichols about that congressional blackmail?
And I done told you once, you son of a bitch.
Stop extending the Easter sale.
unidentified
So that's.
dan friesen
Someone put that to music.
jordan holmes
Before the show, you were telling me, Noah, it's been real hard to do any kind of thinky work.
You've been struggling.
dan friesen
Why do you do that?
jordan holmes
Now I realize that it's just been the song.
It's just been the song.
dan friesen
That took me maybe half an hour.
Yeah, so someone put that to music.
Alex went down to Georgia.
They're going to stop the steal.
jordan holmes
DJ Danerkey is going to turn that into an absolute banger.
dan friesen
I should hope so.
jordan holmes
We're going to get number one on the Billboard charts.
dan friesen
So the Democrats, they're trying to steal that election in Georgia.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
They already won it, though.
dan friesen
Well, they're going to steal it.
And it better be, you know, Thursday apparently is the deadline.
We're recording this on Thursday.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
alex jones
I have been on the phone with people in the Trump campaign.
I've been on the phone with a lot of different top political strategists.
And for all intents and purposes, this election could be over for President Trump Thursday.
dan friesen
Last Thursday.
alex jones
Hold on.
He'll still not leave office because the fraud is real.
But it will give the perception that the election has been certified and it'll make the road towards the White House for the second.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit.
That will make things more challenging.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The process continuing to move along as it's supposed to will make...
Derailing the process more difficult.
jordan holmes
My car being turned into a cube will make it difficult to drive from here on out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That is true.
Having your wheels taken.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a hindrance.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Having my feet cut off.
Will really make it harder to play football.
Yes.
dan friesen
So Alex is not the only one who's heading down to Georgia.
Of course, Ali Alexander is going down there.
Some other noted weirdos.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But Alex thinks that everybody needs to go to Georgia.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I would like to just point out, again, I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, and I love that caravan.
The caravan went to Georgia.
jordan holmes
Yes, it did.
And it was wildly successful.
You already did this.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
It was wildly successful, and so they need to do it again.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You better start getting on the plane or in the car and heading to the capital of Georgia.
dan friesen
Can't remember what it is.
alex jones
That is all unfolding right now.
jordan holmes
Too many black people live there.
alex jones
Because we can force the legislature to force the governor.
To order an emergency session and not certify it.
The legislature must stand up now that the governor, who works for the Clintons, not just his chief of staff, is the problem.
That's coming up next segment.
I gotta refuel, though, here.
We need funding.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I find this unconvincing, uninteresting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm a little bit blown away by the level to which they're willing to embarrass themselves without actually...
dan friesen
Are you talking about Rudy?
jordan holmes
I'm talking about the whole kitten caboodle thing.
They're all teaming up to make everything a sick joke, and it's weirding me out because that suggests to me that we're going to have to escalate from sick joke to full-on military takeover, or they're just going to...
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He's not just going to go.
dan friesen
You notice how I escalated.
I wrote a parody song.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
He's not just going to go.
It's not just going to go.
So, here we go.
Let's ride this.
I don't know why everyone's acting like we can just wait and he'll just go.
dan friesen
Well, I think that's one of the reasons why I'm really glad that our show is about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because at least I know he's full of shit.
I don't know what's going on in terms of other places, and that's very scary to me.
So I'd rather not have an opinion that people take too seriously on it.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because I could be wrong.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I could misinterpret something.
With Alex.
Totally fine saying he is...
jordan holmes
Full of shit.
dan friesen
Full of shit.
Trying to get attention and push extremist views.
unidentified
Done and done.
dan friesen
And we can handle that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then along the way, sometimes there's something really fun.
Like, look, hey, it's always fun to write a parody song of The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
jordan holmes
True.
It's been done.
A lot.
unidentified
A lot.
jordan holmes
Because it's great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Another thing that's fun is when Alex says things like this.
alex jones
Imagine a Doctor Who episode where the Daleks are always little robots rolling around like R2-D2 saying exterminate.
Exterminate.
But so they said, hello, my friend.
I'm here to test you for the COVID.
Oh, sorry.
You've got it.
You've got to go away.
jordan holmes
That would be a very different villain.
alex jones
And now they actually, in Japan and Europe, have Daleks.
They look just like Daleks.
Right out of Doctor Who.
Whoever designed it copied a Dalek.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And they come up and stick a swab up your nose.
And if you don't, an inner hatch opens up and a gun comes up.
unidentified
I'm not kidding.
alex jones
It's on the nose.
jordan holmes
I want one of those.
I want one of those right now.
I want a swab to gun transfer out of one barrel.
I love that so much.
dan friesen
Alright, so there's this robot that's going around.
And it's programmed, I guess, because he's not saying that someone's...
Captaining this robot, I assume.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So the robot comes up to you and it's supposed to swab you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And somehow it's in its programming that if you refuse, it shakes you down with a gun.
It threatens you with a gun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Presumably not shooting you if you then agree to get the swab.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
It's traditional carrot and stick, all right?
Here's your swab, or here's your gun.
Turns out you're going to choose the swab in the end.
It's very simple.
dan friesen
Carrot, stick, swab, gun.
It's all the same.
jordan holmes
It's all the same thing.
unidentified
I think...
jordan holmes
Why would you even need...
I would prefer a knife.
If it just switched from a swab to a knife and it's like, one of these is going up your nose today.
dan friesen
These machines would be made by doctors who I assume would not prioritize gun.
jordan holmes
All right, the head of the Mayo Clinic is a real gun nut.
dan friesen
Yeah, all right, so we're developing this robot that's specifically to test people for COVID.
jordan holmes
Does it have guns?
dan friesen
To make it so people don't have to risk getting exposed to run tests.
jordan holmes
I feel like you didn't answer my only question.
dan friesen
Of course it has guns!
jordan holmes
See, now we're in business!
I will greenlight anything.
dan friesen
This is amazing.
It's in the news.
I'm going to need a citation on this.
I'm going to need a source.
I looked it up.
I could not find...
Information on this.
Although, I think what he's referring to is that there are robots that are used for COVID testing.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In a number of countries, they've rolled out some models of these.
And I think he's combining that with there was a crowd control robot in China from maybe last year that they were working on that would give little shocks to people to try and corral them in different directions.
jordan holmes
R2-D2 shock, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he's mixing up those two things.
But the mental image is so funny.
Take this swab.
No, I will not.
What about now?
jordan holmes
Now, here's the thing that tickles me the most.
This is what tickles me the most.
The inside hatch.
The gun comes out.
That's what it is.
That's what it is.
It's so great.
That's what it's so great.
dan friesen
It's a perfect image.
unidentified
It's so fucking funny.
It's the hatch.
jordan holmes
Does it shoot out with a cartoon spring?
Of course.
dan friesen
It's got a robot hand.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Stick them up.
And then it takes your wallet.
jordan holmes
Alright, I'm here for a showdown.
dan friesen
So this has been the fun part of the show.
jordan holmes
Meet me at high noon.
dan friesen
So now Alex gets into his sort of Georgia storyline.
alex jones
And this is the big story.
unidentified
Lawsuit.
alex jones
Georgia Secretary of State signed an illegal deal with Democrats challenging how ballots Are processed.
Allowing them to be processed after and allowing mail-in ballots to be counted without actual proof.
More signatures being confirmed, and it just goes on from there.
dan friesen
This is another classic case of Alex getting a Trump talking point that's factually incorrect, and then it's spiraling out of control when he's recovering it into something else altogether.
In this case, Trump tweeted about how Georgia was stealing the election and that there had been a consent decree by the Secretary of State that, quote, makes it impossible to check and match signatures on ballots and envelopes, etc.
Trump went on to say, quote, they knew they were going to cheat.
Must expose real signatures.
This dude's tweeting like a detective in a shitty noir film who's just been shot, scrawling on a piece of paper, must expose real signatures.
Anyway, I have no idea how a consent decree would make it impossible for people to compare signatures, but I guess that's the best Trumpspeople can come up with, to keep people like Alex busy and keep people funneling money into that stopping of steals.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
In reality, according to the Associated Press, the state absolutely requires signatures to match.
The issue comes down to this.
Quote, a lawsuit by the Democratic Party, which led to the agreement, argued that minorities were disproportionately affected when they had their ballots rejected.
Among other things, the settlement set steps for local election officials to notify a voter by phone, mail or email in a timely fashion about problems.
jordan holmes
Are they really trying to tell me that a state governed by Kemp...
Has not done enough voter suppression.
dan friesen
It's an interesting angle.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel like he didn't win the election because it was free and fair, Dan.
dan friesen
Some have said that.
jordan holmes
Like, maybe if there were paper ballots, we might find out that the results might have been different.
dan friesen
It could be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is just another legal challenge that Trump's camp is making, trying to block the finalization of the election, but it's gonna get thrown out, just like all the others.
The only thing I find really interesting here is the dynamic where Alex can't even really understand what the issue is.
Alex thinks it has to do with deadlines and votes without signatures, but that's not the case.
The legal challenge has to do with whether or not the Secretary of State had the authority to make the changes that were made, which were designed to create more oversight and better handling of signature matching.
The suit doesn't seem to even take issue with the actual change that was made, just that it was allegedly made unilaterally and without proper approval, which is pretty deep in the weeds in terms of legal challenges to an election.
I'm not surprised Alex doesn't know the details on this.
I wouldn't expect him to, since being aware of how much of a Hail Mary this is would probably be bad for business.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine...
dan friesen
I believe that right before we started recording, this challenge got thrown out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
If I understand the headline I just saw correctly, I believe this case has just died.
jordan holmes
It got thrown out the moment the judge realized that it was written in colored pencil.
Wow.
Can you imagine if that's what, if all of a sudden they were like, oh, the Secretary of State didn't do it right, so Trump is president again?
That's not how it goes.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's not how it's going to work for anyone.
dan friesen
I wouldn't assume it would.
So, obviously, knowing that this is weak, Alex recommends the right course of action, which is investing in gun robots.
Okay.
I lied, it's not.
alex jones
Everyone must go to the capital of Georgia now.
And you must surround the governor's mansion now.
I'm coming.
I'll be there.
And I'm bringing Roger Stone, and I'm bringing a bunch of other people.
That's what I'm doing behind the scenes.
And I'm calling the damn White House, and I'm telling Trump he needs to go and get on a frickin' airplane and land at the capital of Georgia and go into the governor's mansion and stop sitting there and letting his lawyers do it.
We need to see people power and this will do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a great idea.
They have Trump storm the governor's mansion.
jordan holmes
I think that's a great idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's a great idea.
dan friesen
It would look cool.
jordan holmes
I think the only thing that would be better after...
So that one is a great idea.
You should definitely do that.
And then I think everybody in the Senate should stab him once.
dan friesen
I do love the idea that he's like, I'm coming to Georgia and I'm fucking bringing Roger Stone with me.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
I want him to be like, and we're going to settle this election by single comment.
Combat.
Choose your champion for we have Roger Stone in this corner.
dan friesen
And then the camera pans over and he's got a lampshade on his head.
unidentified
Complaining about Elliot Spitzer or some shit.
jordan holmes
I'll fight whoever you fucking want.
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
I will only fight if Elliot Spitzer's dad will...
Come against me.
jordan holmes
Where's Bongino?
Where's Bongino?
dan friesen
So Alex has a little guest on this episode.
It's not a great sign.
alex jones
All right.
Enrique Tarrio is an awesome American.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
That's not good.
alex jones
He's a leader of the Proud Boys.
And he was there helping provide security in D.C. for us.
He did an incredible job.
dan friesen
So Enrique Tarrio, guy who's head of the Proud Boys, is on.
Cool.
jordan holmes
See, this is the thing that I'm talking about.
How is it that we have the juxtaposition of Rudy Giuliani melting like a fucking candle in front of us with Enrico Tarrio being like, what if we killed all the leftists?
Like, you can't have both!
dan friesen
Here's what's interesting.
Enrico Tarrio is clearly trying to learn a little bit about PR.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's doing some heavy lifting on this appearance.
Trying to give the, like, hey, we just like to hang out.
You know, the Proud Boys, we're just like a drinking club.
We just like to have a good time.
ali alexander
Sure.
dan friesen
And, hey, we don't just let anybody in.
We do extensive background checks on people like Rufio Pan Man.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Based Stick Man did extensive background searches.
Whatever the case.
He's trying to make it look much more respectable.
And Alex is actually the one who's kind of ruining it.
unidentified
You know, when somebody, when a man's down, I don't want to keep attacking him.
alex jones
These are people that attack women and children, and then as soon as you let them up, they attack somebody else.
Yeah, of course.
Once they assault somebody, I think some broken ribs will teach them.
dan friesen
So Alex seems to be the one who's pushing this towards even more extreme, and it seems like a nerd.
Talking to a bully.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like interviewing a bully.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, oh, isn't it fun how you kick their asses?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
It's a good thing you're not bullying me.
jordan holmes
You're kicking those guys' asses.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's great.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Well, you know, when I beat people up, I kind of, you know, once they're down, it's kind of, that's the end of the fight.
No, you should keep kicking them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very strange.
Alex is kind of pushing.
jordan holmes
You know, what we're trying to do is just show that we're a group of normal people like everyone else.
I mean, we have our own political beliefs, but what we do is we get together and we just share a community just like we do.
I think you should kill people!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, we've gotten so much bad press, and a lot of our members turn out to be real crazy.
Well, it's one word.
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
We do a lot of background checks, but apparently not on that kind of thing.
jordan holmes
No, they can name a fuck ton of cereals, though.
dan friesen
That's important.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Look, here's the deal.
We're trying not to do all that shit publicly, all this stuff about kicking people when they're down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We're trying to look different.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I know that the Oath Keepers and your buddy Stuart Rhodes kind of lean into that, we're gonna kill you stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's great.
We're different.
jordan holmes
Alex, Alex, buddy, there are two ways to go.
We're going underground, my friend.
We're going to survive, and then we'll kill people again in ten years or four or whatever.
We'll make it through this.
We're not going to go out here all Nazi guns a-blazin' today!
And Alex is like, what if we're Nazis?
dan friesen
I think, if I had to guess, I think it's just like...
Glass half full, half empty in terms of the DC rally.
I think that Alex is trying to play it like half full.
Like, we are going to take over the world.
There was a million people there.
Whereas Enrique Tarrio, it's probably like, yeah, it was a lot of people, but it wasn't that many.
We can't take over the world with this many people.
jordan holmes
Not enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not enough.
dan friesen
So maybe try and put on a face of respectability.
jordan holmes
Or invite General Petraeus and see if he'll do us a solid.
Boom.
dan friesen
So Alex is impressed.
I don't know if this is actually true.
I think it's not.
But Alex thinks that no one has ever infiltrated the Proud Boys.
I don't think that's true.
But he has a theory as to why.
And I think it's pretty funny.
alex jones
I don't know how you guys have kept your organization pretty much infiltration-free and how you guys have done such a great job.
How do people get involved with Proud Boys and how are you keeping the organization infiltration-free?
I mean, I guess...
You look in Antifa.
They all look like devil-worshipping vampires.
jordan holmes
Can't name any stories.
alex jones
They're total cowards.
I guess all you guys look pretty macho.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're too macho to infiltrate, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, leftists are...
We just can't look macho enough to infiltrate.
dan friesen
Nope, too much soy or something.
jordan holmes
That's our issue.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that Alex has a pretty consistent thread going of just like really gaslighting his audience about the crowd size.
He's talking about like it's straight up maybe even a million people there.
jordan holmes
That's real tough to sell.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then something even more tough happens.
alex jones
Police estimated upwards of a million bigger than Louis Farrakhan's event.
Incredible.
We're getting Gavin McGinnis lined up, dealing with some Skype issues.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a surprise.
dan friesen
First of all, Skype issues, not a surprise.
Second of all, not a surprise that now we're getting Gavin on.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
We're really trying to infiltrate the Brown Boys, I guess.
dan friesen
I had this interesting experience while I was listening to this episode, and it was largely, oh, okay.
We're just going to interview a bunch of people with Proud Boys and extremists.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm not interested.
jordan holmes
Hey!
Who else wants to start a war?
You want to start a war?
Yeah?
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not super interested except for just to say, like, yeah, okay.
Gavin and Enrique are talking to Alex, and the whole conversation is largely about everyone's got to go to Georgia.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, okay, I think this is bad, but I also don't respect Gavin at all.
No.
He's not interesting.
He's not funny.
He doesn't say anything.
jordan holmes
So are they trying to drum up support from the Proud Boys?
Like, hey, we're focusing on the Proud Boys.
The Proud Boys need to go to Atlanta.
Is that the idea here?
dan friesen
No, I think they're just trying to show a stiff upper lip.
And sort of like, where are you going to be?
You can come to Atlanta because the Proud Boys will be there to fight with you.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
In case shit goes bad or something.
I think that that's kind of a lot of the message.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stop being a coward.
They'll have your back.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So Alex asks Enrique to define the moment that they're in.
He keeps doing this with people.
Every single guest, he asks to define the moment.
Okay.
And then something very, very familiar happens.
alex jones
Enrique Tarrio has taken over Proud Boys.
Gavin McGinnis started as an idea to promote family and men and fraternity and unity for American men.
And American men are out of attack.
But now the globalists are so scared of it.
And you've gone through the fire.
You've stood up at hundreds of Antifa events for freedom.
You've defended so many people.
What would you call Enrique Tarrio, this historic moment we're at right now?
You guys want to put his mic on for me?
Thanks.
Go ahead, Enrique.
Start over.
unidentified
Sorry, that was my fault.
alex jones
Oh, that's our fault.
It's your fault.
Go ahead.
We don't care.
We love it.
Technology back and forth.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
Ooh, that happens multiple times.
jordan holmes
Guys, guys.
dan friesen
I think there's some mic muting issues.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, Gavin shows up, and we're not going to listen to too much of him because I find him unsofferable.
jordan holmes
Odious?
dan friesen
Yes, that too.
But I just wanted to say that I'm thrilled that he's decided to give up.
gavin mcinnes
We proved it this weekend that we are on the side of what's right, and they are on the side of what's wrong.
jordan holmes
And if you can't see that now, I give up.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Good.
Please.
Please give up.
dan friesen
Didn't Gavin come on Alex's show like a year ago saying, fuck this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're done.
unidentified
100%.
dan friesen
What's the point?
jordan holmes
Yep.
Nothing expresses, you know, just like, leader.
More than any time you lose...
unidentified
Moody?
jordan holmes
Deciding to quit.
dan friesen
Moody lash out?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That's how I want to...
dan friesen
I admire it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I do not.
jordan holmes
A lot of people would listen to that and say, I would die for that man.
dan friesen
Anyway, fuck Gavin.
Owen, Owen Troyer, leader of the caravan, comes in, and they talk about their huge crowds.
They had huge crowds.
alex jones
Owen, you did the caravan through the south up to D.C. The police that we talked to estimated, because I was seeing 200,000 that day, because the police were seeing 200,000 in one spot.
Turns out there was three and a half miles of people going back to the beginning of it.
jordan holmes
Three and a half miles.
alex jones
They were estimating 800,000 to a million people.
And then Antifa attacking at night, getting their asses kicked.
All of it.
What would you describe this moment in history as?
owen shroyer
Well, from the images I've seen...
jordan holmes
Sad?
owen shroyer
I think that this had more people in attendance than the Million Man March.
dan friesen
From the images I've seen of your caravan, I've done stand-up for larger crowds.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And I was a failure.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
I don't know.
I don't care about relative size to the Million Man March either.
They seem really hung up on that.
jordan holmes
They really want to make sure that this march is better than other black people's marches.
It's bigger than Louis Farrakhan's march.
Why did you choose that one?
dan friesen
It seems like a sticking point.
They brought it up a couple times.
jordan holmes
It seems very important to them.
dan friesen
I would ask you, Jordan, how do you define the times?
jordan holmes
How do I define the times?
dan friesen
How do you define this moment that we're in?
jordan holmes
I would say pathetic.
dan friesen
It is sad.
jordan holmes
I would say pathetic.
I would say that the human race has responded brilliantly and terribly at the same time to the point where, man, I'm really hoping we lose 98% of people and get the reefs back.
Do you know what I'm saying?
The 98% of reefs lost?
That's a tragedy.
dan friesen
That's not great.
So, Owen has had a revelation lately.
ali alexander
Sure.
dan friesen
This doesn't seem like a revelation.
Seems like very similar to catchphrase of Ben Shapiro's kind of.
owen shroyer
The Democrat Party politic is emotion over evidence.
It's emotion over evidence.
unidentified
Same thing with the mainstream news.
Emotion over evidence.
ali alexander
We live in reality.
A million people out there.
unidentified
Nobody got COVID.
Nobody got sick.
I'm riding back in the airplane.
owen shroyer
Everyone's fine laughing about the dumb mask thing.
They almost kicked me off a plane floor.
unidentified
But we won't go into that.
dan friesen
Let's.
So it's far too soon to know what kind of effect that D.C. rally is going to have on COVID rates, but it's not too soon to discuss broader trends that we've seen from past events.
If Trump's rallies throughout 2020 are any indication, Owen may have to eat those words in the future once data is available.
A report released in October by the Center for American Progress said, quote, I don't have data on the recent rally, nor does anyone yet.
But I mostly cut out that clip because I have a hunch that Owen's going to look pretty bad in hindsight, as will this.
unidentified
It's like crazy.
owen shroyer
From like five blocks up to the Supreme Court, you're packed in like sardines.
I mean, you can barely even breathe.
unidentified
Peace.
dan friesen
Poor choice of words, I would say, there.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we end the 16th, and we jump into the 17th.
And this was really strange at the beginning.
First of all, Alex screws up his whole thing.
This whole time period between the election and the inauguration, what is it?
79 days of hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
79 days of hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a countdown.
Day after the election, 78 days of hell left.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex screws it up.
Goes backwards on it.
unidentified
God damn it.
alex jones
It is now day 64 of the 79 days of hell.
Communist China and its new older allies are desperately trying to overthrow the election of President Trump.
dan friesen
I understand that it's an easy mistake to make, but no one cares about this except you.
This is not caught on.
It's not great.
No one's going to remember 10 years from now, oh, you remember the 79 days of hell?
You're the one who's pushing this really hard.
You have to actually get it right.
You can't say we're on day 64 now.
What, is there only 15 days of hell left?
jordan holmes
There's a little bit of...
unidentified
Oh, is hell going to end on the 30th?
jordan holmes
He's trying to count down, but he messed up.
And that's fine.
dan friesen
It is fine, but it's not.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
This is his baby.
Anyway, there was a weird sound, and I don't mean poor quality sound or anything.
I really felt like Alex's...
It sounded like he was reading a commercial at the beginning of this episode.
alex jones
And now, the mainline Republican Party has awoken to the truth of the new world order and world government.
And Tucker Carlson is a fancier, more well-produced version of Infowars.
Not because Tucker Carlson's copying yours truly, but because the world has awoken.
Yes, the enemy's striking back hard, but my friends, when it comes to the culture war, when it comes to recognizing the UN and its true aim of world government depopulation, we are winning.
dan friesen
So didn't that...
I mean, that sounds like a promo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was a movie trailer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was LaFontaine all the way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I was really thrown by it because it just seemed like, what is going on?
And then he goes to a couple pre-recorded reports, and I realized he just wasn't there.
That was pre-recorded.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was pre-recorded.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex shows up 14 minutes into the episode.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us.
I've got plenty of important stuff to cover.
I don't normally start the broadcast.
minutes of Tucker Carlson, but he knocked it out of the park.
dan friesen
So, yeah, Alex shows up late.
I guess he was getting more information about Georgia.
Sure.
There's an interesting dynamic that's going on, and I think that though Alex is crazy and all this stuff is nonsense, I think he's benefiting from QAnon quite a bit.
Yeah.
unidentified
Because, you know, you remember the dynamic that existed...
dan friesen
You know, in previous times between people like Fox News and Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.
Alex Jones justified Glenn Beck being crazy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's like, I'm not Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He was able to sanitize himself and make himself seem more palatable to a wider audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was a bullshit launderer.
dan friesen
Yeah, and because there was someone he could be like, I'm not that guy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I'm stepping on that guy in order to make myself look respectable.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think Alex now has QAnon to be like, I'm not QAnon.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's a fair point.
dan friesen
And because everything has just gotten so much worse in terms of public discourse and people filtering information, I think he's able to take advantage of people thinking there's only one person who's wrong at any time.
Or whatever.
Not realizing QAnon and Alex can be wrong.
Glenn Beck and Alex are both wrong.
jordan holmes
You think QAnon stuff is going to become leaderless?
And they're gonna be like, eh, maybe we'll go back to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
No.
I don't, well, I don't know.
I don't know what to predict of it, but I think that most of those people are too pilled to go back to Alex.
jordan holmes
Too far gone to go back to the light stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think they would find it a little bit disappointing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They would find it ungratifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, even though Alex is late, starting the show 14 minutes in.
Oh, whatever.
He did say that he has some important stuff to talk about.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Now, generally, when he has important things to talk about, it's bizarre fantasies.
Right.
Notions.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Things he's misremembering.
jordan holmes
Half-baked anything.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one of my favorite things is reporting Twitter comments as if they're news.
jordan holmes
That's good.
alex jones
Another commenter on Twitter said, PM and the future head of the state of our country have been openly promoting the Globalist World Economic Forum Great Reset Initiative for months already, but I cannot find a single mainstream media article in Canada that has mentioned or discussed it.
Because you're a slave.
You're not supposed to see all that info.
You're supposed to be preconditioned to the UN world government takeover slogans before you ever consciously Understand what it is.
dan friesen
So this is really standard bullshit, but I think it highlights something that's really interesting within, like, Alex and his rhetoric.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You can easily find articles discussing the ideas presented by Klaus Schwab and references by name to, quote, The Great Reset in media going back to early this year, after his book was published.
Just a simple Google search shows that before July, there were articles in Vanity Fair, The Hill, The Financial Times, Forbes, and plenty of international outlets.
This is the same thing as why aren't there any Muslim voices denouncing terrorism?
You didn't look for it.
You assume it's not there.
And now you're making a conspiracy out of the idea that you haven't found anything.
There are plenty of people talking about these ideas.
They were just not places you were interested in.
They weren't in publications that you maybe normally read.
The Hill is publicly available.
It's there.
These articles are there.
If you wanted to, if you had any interest, that discussion's there.
No one's hiding anything from you.
jordan holmes
You can type questions into the Google search bar.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So if he's like giving you one of those rhetorical questions like, how come no one's talking about this?
You could type in like, how come no one's talking about this?
And you would have to fill in.
dan friesen
Right.
I think that what's going on is a misphrasing of what they believe or what they experience as the problem.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
They merit.
jordan holmes
It's so important.
dan friesen
Exactly.
In the same way that all of Alex's conspiracies, whenever it's like, the media's not covering X, Y, or Z, like, there's an article about why you're wrong about this everywhere.
You can find it if you want.
They just want this, like, the coverage.
unidentified
The same thing with, like, no one covers, like, Trump being good.
dan friesen
You can find articles and publications about good things Trump's done.
unidentified
Easily.
dan friesen
It's just that no one is bowing down and being like, oh, Trump, you're the king.
They're not covering it the way you want to.
They're covering these ideas in a real-world way as opposed to your way, and because your view isn't being shouted from the rooftops, it's experienced as a cover-up, and that's just not accurate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're not saying what I want them to say, so they're not covering it at all.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I'm not going to look for the articles that would prove my point wrong.
jordan holmes
That's bad for business, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, and the thing that's really sad about it is, like, I'm only talking about this phenomenon right now because Alex is reading someone's tweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that's...
jordan holmes
Is there any bad take you can't find on Twitter?
Like, you can find...
Like, that's the corollary to your lies about the piano.
dan friesen
Bees are too good.
Wait, I bet you could find that.
jordan holmes
Bees are too good.
dan friesen
Yeah, for the environment.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Fuck.
jordan holmes
There's no oil executive somewhere who hasn't tweeted out, like, let's kill all the bees so I don't have to deal with flowers anymore.
dan friesen
Trying to think of a take that isn't on there.
Candy sucks.
No, someone doesn't like candy.
jordan holmes
Nope, definitely there.
It's all there, man.
It's all there.
If you want to find a bad take, you just search it into Twitter.
dan friesen
Air tastes bad.
jordan holmes
Of course it does.
Do you know where air comes from?
The sky.
dan friesen
And your butt.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It comes out of people's butts.
jordan holmes
That's the only place air comes from.
dan friesen
So anyway, Ali Alexander shows up.
And this clip is actually really interesting, too.
In the same way that last clip...
Really demonstrated this sort of phenomenon of not looking for evidence and then claiming there's absence of evidence of something.
This is another really interesting thing that Alex and his people do quite a bit.
ali alexander
We're really appreciative of all the grassroots work out there, but StopTheSeal.us features our coalition partners, and we're always willing to work with anyone.
alex jones
There is a phenomenon where then people go get permits.
ali alexander
Right.
alex jones
And then they take over and say it's their event.
ali alexander
Exactly.
alex jones
We don't care about the event or our name.
We care about winning.
ali alexander
We care about winning in the Electoral College and getting Donald Trump above 270.
You know, I happen to be a strategist, so I'm working with all of these folks.
But yeah, we did have a vendor who secured the permit and then decided, oh, well, Alex can't speak, and this person can't speak, and that person can't speak, and then this shill should speak, and this rhino should speak, and then made lies about the Trump family.
And, you know, that's going to come out later.
But, you know, we're not going to tolerate our movement being hijacked.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
I mean, I talked to the White House.
Trump, you did too.
Trump was going to come until he found out these people were running it.
So that's the reason these ladies are a problem.
unidentified
Right.
ali alexander
And then in our Georgia event...
I announced that...
alex jones
And now they're coming to take it home.
ali alexander
So now they put out a flyer that they're going to Georgia, and they had Georgia featured as a blue state, and they misspelled Georgia.
So you and I were first to announce on our independent channels, we're marching to Georgia.
alex jones
And again, it's not about, we don't give a damn about credit.
ali alexander
Who cares about credit?
alex jones
It's that these people come take over to block us.
jordan holmes
Sounds like you really care about it.
ali alexander
Right, and then they do media, and then media says, oh, look at these disgusting freaks, because, you know, they don't present well.
Look at these disgusting freaks.
They're responsible for all of the hatred.
alex jones
Wild!
They told you not to talk about a stolen election.
When Owen Troyer got up to speak, he's saying four more years Trump won the election, they tried to jerk him off the stage.
He didn't even want us saying that he really won.
dan friesen
So what's going on is that Women for America First, that group, got the permit, and they organized the actual event.
It had a list of speakers that didn't include people like Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, they organized the event.
dan friesen
Well, there were a lot of people who also...
Decided to descend on Washington at the same time.
jordan holmes
Sure, but party crashers don't organize the party.
dan friesen
Well, party crashers are actually more integral to the party than you're willing to.
There is no party without the crasher.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true, but I guess I have to believe you.
I don't have any evidence.
dan friesen
Look.
jordan holmes
Why isn't anybody talking about this kind of stuff, Dan?
dan friesen
I find this fascinating because it's the same thing with like, okay, yeah, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity, Coke Money, Coke Funds, like AstroTurfed a ton of the Tea Party in its early days, and then Alex glommed onto it, and then...
Accused them of taking his movement over.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
And that's exactly what he's doing here.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they won't let them hijack their hijack, Dan.
dan friesen
He's crashed this thing in D.C., and they rightfully probably were like, this is going to be tough to deal with.
I understand maybe Alex speaking, but Alex's buddy...
I don't know about this.
And then they have the temerity to get on this show and accuse the people who are the actual organizers of stealing their event.
jordan holmes
The balls.
dan friesen
And then to be like, they don't present well.
Like Alex does.
jordan holmes
I really want to have these clips available just whenever I'm just like, oh, women for Trump.
And it's like, man, you guys don't get it.
The moment you step out of line, you're no longer for Trump.
You're just women to them, and you know how they treat blank just women.
dan friesen
It is kind of shocking to see.
So fast.
You could not have organized that event, Alex.
You could not have.
We saw the caravans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Saw what you were capable of.
The combined work of a ton of grifters.
Added to the population that came to DC.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the actual event and people having a reason to be there was done by the work of the people who you were impugning.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that's why, like, if you're on the right, stop trying.
jordan holmes
Just stop it.
dan friesen
Yeah, stop organizing these things.
jordan holmes
Just stop it.
dan friesen
The people who want to come and get up there and yell and make you look bad and steal all your thunder are going to shit on you later.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're being used.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Every time.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
Anyway, Alex is...
jordan holmes
No, these are my friends!
They're not your friends.
dan friesen
Alex is talking to Allie, and he wants to know, why is Georgia so important?
alex jones
Now, recap why Georgia's so key.
Robert Barnes is there.
Everybody that's smart has been telling me for weeks, and you're absolutely right, the White House agrees.
Georgia's key because they...
unidentified
How you doing there, buddy?
dan friesen
So you got a long pause here.
jordan holmes
Alex?
Alex, we lost you.
dan friesen
Alex.
jordan holmes
Alex, this is Mission Command.
dan friesen
Alex!
Wake up!
jordan holmes
Ground controls.
unidentified
Weird.
Alright.
dan friesen
So then it goes to commercial.
I thought that was really strange.
I mean, the feed just went out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know what happened there.
They don't address it when they come back.
jordan holmes
Too much flute.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
I know that probably online that didn't happen.
Sure.
unidentified
But I'm listening to it through the feed that goes to all of the radio stations.
dan friesen
Sure.
the country.
Yeah.
unidentified
This is what's syndicated to shortwave too.
dan friesen
So whoever's listening, it just cut out.
Which is...
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
If that's an audience you care about, that certainly...
It's not great.
jordan holmes
They could...
Really fix these problems.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
jordan holmes
It's doable.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's doable.
dan friesen
But why?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex wants to know, where's Trump?
Where's Trump?
jordan holmes
Hiding.
unidentified
Allie.
jordan holmes
Howard, he always was.
dan friesen
Allie Alexander, tell me where Trump is.
jordan holmes
I hate you guys.
alex jones
Let me ask you this question.
Why aren't we seeing a lot of Trump?
Because that's his bully pulpit power he still has.
Why has he been so...
We saw it tweeting and saying, I won the election yesterday.
That's not enough.
I mean, he should be in Georgia.
He should be having rallies.
I keep hearing he's going to have these rallies.
When do those come?
ali alexander
So the rallies were going to come, and then there was a compromise reached inside the White House, so this is my first time talking about it.
And what they decided was, until these cases start making their way through the courts, Trump does not want to position himself where the courts can hold a tweet against him or a rally against him.
And so his tweets are very concentrated.
dan friesen
Counterpoint.
Alex just said that he tweeted the other day that I won the election.
jordan holmes
There is that.
alex jones
Democrats are everywhere declaring victory fraudulently, calling him a dictator, but he's afraid to speak out.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
That's ridiculous.
ali alexander
And it is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
No, that sounds right.
ali alexander
The court held during the ban, the terrorism ban that was described as the Muslim ban, they held a tweet against him.
DACA, they held a tweet against him.
So Trump is trying to play the legal strategy smart.
dan friesen
Counterpoint.
Trump tweeted, I won the election.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a really smart strategy, I think.
dan friesen
Counterpoint, Trump tweeted something about Antifa scum.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, he seems to be...
Your story doesn't hold water, Allie.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
You can make up all the fantasy fiction that you want, but Trump is a giant cowardly loser.
And I assume you guys are going to start killing all of us immediately.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He does.
jordan holmes
No, he wants to play golf.
ali alexander
He wants to get out there.
He wants to do his rallies.
There's plans to do rallies.
unidentified
See?
ali alexander
In the meantime, stop the steal.us.
We will keep hosting rallies every state capitol, your noon, your local time, until the electoral college meets.
And maybe after that.
Maybe after that.
Maybe we never give this country back to them.
dan friesen
He keeps calling it the Electorial College, which is fun.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
I don't care.
unidentified
Who gives a shit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it's like, this thing is, what he's doing is, hey, yeah, Trump wants to come out and say hi to the people.
He wants to be the figurehead, but he can't be.
He's got to play it smart because of the courts.
So for now, it's just me.
Here's my website.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Fund us so we can have demonstrations at every state capitol and never give the country back, whatever that means.
jordan holmes
See, I get it, and I understand why everybody is mocking this, and I get why people are writing so many op-eds and all this stuff that's like, Trump can't do a coup, and this is just a grift and all that stuff, but it's like, this grift is gonna run out.
They don't just stop it when the grift runs out.
They create a new grift.
And whatever they need to do...
dan friesen
And it seems to escalate.
jordan holmes
Whatever they need to do, they will do to continue that grift.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not a joke, man.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
It is primarily a scam that people like Alex and Ali are running.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But the scam, if taken seriously, is super dangerous.
jordan holmes
Terrifying!
dan friesen
And in the past, when it's been a scam that's hurt...
Civilians and normal people, you know, it's awful and it is what it is.
But now it's a game where you could hurt the whole country.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the world.
dan friesen
Yeah, the world.
Yeah, it's too much.
Now, I've had a theory for this whole time that Ali Alexander was working with Roger Stone on Stop the Steal.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because it has the same name as Roger Stone's...
Alleged poll-watching organization from 2016.
And I didn't need to actually do any further research on it.
They just told me he was.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
alex jones
Ali Alexander, a great political analyst and also publisher, is here with us.
He's been a tireless fighter with Roger Stone, starting to steal a few years ago with Roger.
And then Roger's handed the baton to him.
Roger's going to be in Atlanta, Georgia tomorrow.
I'm going to be there tonight.
dan friesen
Okay.
So I was right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This is all connected.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
If Alex is to be believed, which he's usually not.
True.
But this seems like something that makes total sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's Roger's domain.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He licensed it, he registered it, and now he's taken his cut.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I have no doubt he's taken a cut.
dan friesen
Well, and here's the thing.
If this is a conspiracy...
All conspirators can be charged with every aspect of a crime.
jordan holmes
Rico.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So, if Ali follows through with his plan, Roger might be in trouble.
jordan holmes
Good.
ali alexander
I'm going to just leak out our plan, Alex.
They've talked about doing, oh, we're going to elect Joe Biden and do a virtual inauguration.
Good.
then Alex and I will fill the streets with 5 million patriots.
alex jones
And Trump will be there and we'll inaugurate him as the president.
ali alexander
We'll inaugurate Donald Trump.
alex jones
Because the Democrats said they were going to do that if Trump won, that they would just break the country up.
Well, we're not going to break it up.
We're going to reconstitute it.
unidentified
Who said that?
ali alexander
If you guys want to act as insurrectionists, well, then we know how to deal with that.
But we will bring tents.
We will bring trucks.
alex jones
I agree.
I think now is the time, after Georgia, to start occupying D.C., period.
dan friesen
So, apparently, the plan is occupying DC, which you're going to get bored of very quickly, Alex.
You have no ability to run anything like this.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
You have no interest in anything that...
Especially once the cameras stop.
Like, one of the things about those kind of occupations is that they get boring.
After a while, people might cover it for a bit, and then there's long periods where there aren't cameras, there's no attention, and you don't have...
You're not built for that.
So, no, you're not going to do that.
But...
Assuming that you do, you're not going to get 5 million people to come to D.C. No.
That is not going to happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And let's imagine what's going to happen if you try and inaugurate a second president.
jordan holmes
No, that'll work.
No, dark pope, it'll be fine.
We'll have two popes.
Somebody will dig up Biden's remains and put them on trial.
It'll be great.
dan friesen
I, um...
jordan holmes
I'm just remembering my medieval warfare history.
I don't remember people writing down, sieges were our favorite part.
You know, that four months of waiting for supply lines to catch up, sitting there going hungry, not fighting anybody, just sitting there in a tent.
dan friesen
I think Alex wants his listeners to do that while buying survival food from him.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
To keep rations.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then Alex will show up with a bullhorn every now and again and take credit for everything.
jordan holmes
Medieval kings fighting a war.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I just try and think about, like, what in the real world would that look like?
If Alex...
I mean, first of all, it's a leap to imagine five million people would show up.
So let's stipulate that five million do show up.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Now they decide they're going to inaugurate Trump, though he lost the election.
jordan holmes
Well...
unidentified
What happens then?
jordan holmes
I guess we divide up territories.
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
The mind reels.
Steve Pachanek might get a job.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you.
I'm just telling you.
We just gotta isolate him.
We just gotta isolate him.
We give him all Alaska.
It's the biggest state.
dan friesen
The old werewolf treatment?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Take all of these.
Take all of them and say, you know what?
We agree with everything you're doing.
We love what's going on.
dan friesen
There's a lot of resources in Alaska.
jordan holmes
We are going to say.
dan friesen
What about the good people of Alaska?
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
We're starting a pilot program.
We want to put your ideas into action, but we're not sure because they're not tried and tested yet.
We want to move all conservatives to Alaska, and you guys just work it out there, and then bring it back to us whenever you're ready.
dan friesen
I feel like this is not fair to the people who live in Alaska.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is definitely true.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
The moon!
jordan holmes
We'll give Alaskans Hawaii.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
And then we'll give Hawaii to Japan.
unidentified
Wait.
dan friesen
This is going to get out of control.
jordan holmes
Now I'm trying to rebook everything and it's trouble.
dan friesen
So let's leave that aside for another day.
Alex gets it.
He's been doing on this episode his Brian Stelter impression.
jordan holmes
Oh, that one's great.
dan friesen
Which is not a good impression.
jordan holmes
That one's great.
dan friesen
Now it's really funny because apparently it's not his.
unidentified
Brian Stelter goes, there's no evidence and they have none and they shouldn't be on air.
alex jones
Don't go watch them because we have hours and hours of evidence a day.
It's ridiculous.
ali alexander
You know, Mark Dice would be proud of that impression.
alex jones
Well, I mean, I'm not saying Mark ripped me off.
He's done a great job, but I was already doing it.
ali alexander
I believe that.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
I don't either.
I don't either.
Alex stole the Brian Stelter impression from Mark Dice.
unidentified
Sad.
jordan holmes
The thing that always makes me feel like an alien to these people is what they laugh at.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, was that that funny?
What did you laugh at, Ali?
What did you laugh at?
Was it just that he did a voice?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
And if so...
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think that that was one of the challenges of doing stand-up was, first of all, not thinking the things that I said were that funny.
jordan holmes
Sure.
That's a big challenge.
dan friesen
And often the audience agreeing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then, you know, things that I saw other people say that weren't all that funny and audiences thinking they were hilarious.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, people have different senses of humor.
There's no accounting for that.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And it's bewildering.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do agree with you that the stuff on Infowars that is humorous to those folks who are on as guests, it's worse than most things that I've seen at comedy shows.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels alien.
It really does.
Because in comedy, you've seen every kind of...
I've seen the gamut of people trying to be funny all across the board.
And even they...
There's nothing like this.
This is just a series of people who only understand each other and laugh at these weird things that are just divorced from reality.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, so much of comedy and so much of what you find funny is the ability to understand sort of shared perceptions or shared ideas.
And I think once people have such fractured The realities that they live in, it makes sense that humor wouldn't translate at all between them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's sad.
jordan holmes
How could you make a joke about the sun rising if they're like, we've never seen the sun and it's dark all the time?
And you're like, okay.
dan friesen
It'd be tough.
There's no shared point of commonality.
So in this next clip, Ali yells that he's signing his death warrant and he's going to fight this thing all the way to his grave.
ali alexander
And so all of these guys, I'm so proud to be working with you, Alex, and you, Ed.
We've got to rush the gates.
We've got to be the barbarians that rush the gates in the castle, or we're all dead.
It's really that simple.
So I'm signing my death warrant.
It's liberty or it's death.
Alex, I think...
alex jones
I'm not in control.
dan friesen
I just remembered...
When he got sued by Chobani and Alex said, I will fight this.
jordan holmes
Never back down.
dan friesen
I will win or I will die.
jordan holmes
I will win or die.
dan friesen
And then he settled a week later.
jordan holmes
I'm real sorry about that stuff that I did.
I will win or die.
You know what?
Error of my ways.
dan friesen
Look, Hamdi Olukaya, I am so sorry.
I said those things about you.
Please don't sue me.
Please don't sue me.
Okay, Alex.
Whatever.
Anyway, Allie leaves.
I guess he's got to head down to Georgia for Alex to meet him down there.
And Alex takes some calls.
And this is such a fucking performance on Alex's part.
I believe that what's going on here is that Alex thinks that this caller is nuts.
And he doesn't want to talk to him.
So he decides to pretend to be mad about something else.
alex jones
Dave in Nevada.
You're on the air, Dave.
unidentified
Yes, my topic is predictions on the coronal mass injection, brain chips, and the report.
alex jones
You see, you know, we're not screening your call.
You're actually on air live right now.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Put you on hold.
Put you on hold.
Listen, I have a thing.
I'll put you on hold.
I have a thing about callers.
I love you to death.
But I'm not other talk shows where I pre-screen you for an hour.
I want to have you a clean phone.
You want to tell us what you're calling in about?
It's great.
Once you get on air, you tell us what you want to cover.
You don't have to ask permission, sir.
dan friesen
He wasn't.
He was telling you what his topic was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, coronal mass ejection.
dan friesen
His phone sounded fine compared to the callers that you generally have on this show.
jordan holmes
Real easy.
dan friesen
But he said he wants to talk about predicting coronal mass ejections, brain chips.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think Alex was like, I don't want to fucking talk to this dude.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
We're going to get mad at him for no reason.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And then it continues.
alex jones
Once you get on air, you tell us what you want to cover.
You don't have to ask permission, sir.
If you ask for permission, I will hang up on you.
That's the one rule is no censorship and no screening.
Let's try again, Dave.
I love you.
unidentified
Go ahead.
alex jones
You're a free man, brother.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, this is going to sound like numerology, but...
jordan holmes
Okay!
alex jones
You just asked for permission again, dude!
Don't do it!
unidentified
Did he?
dan friesen
He did not ask for permission again.
He was giving a caveat that this is going to sound like numerology, but...
jordan holmes
That was more a preamble than anything else.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was softening the numerology that was about to come.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is going to sound like numerology, because it is.
But if I say this is going to sound like numerology, maybe you'll think it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe you'll think that I'm more of a rational actor in this whole thing.
Yeah, Alex, I think, just is like, yeah, all right, I don't want to do this.
I don't want to take whatever this guy's saying seriously, but...
You know, whatever.
I'll just get mad about my weird idea about anti-censorship of phone calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
Sure, buddy.
dan friesen
Very strange.
So Alex takes another call, and this guy wants you to not take a vaccine.
And then, thankfully, Alex starts talking about his idea of this karma and the whole sort of thing about the globalists need to trick you into doing things.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
For moral reasons, galactic law.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And mic down for this, because you might get a little confused, because it's confusing.
alex jones
Fair.
dan friesen
But this is perhaps the only thing that really fascinates me about Alex anymore.
This idea of his bizarre ethical system.
unidentified
They can dial up the radiation, they can inject you with anything they want to.
You've got to make sure that you don't take anything that they're pushing out and don't...
And here's the deal.
alex jones
They can spray it on you, but metaphysically, they get the bad karma they believe from it.
They need you to agree.
They can pressure you, but they need you to agree so they don't get at least the instant karma.
It's how the dimensions work.
I don't understand it all.
They know it's a law, so do I. You make somebody do something, you get instant karma.
You get interdimensional karma when you die for sins, even if you manipulated the...
The field, or however it works, but they need to trick us to go along with it and at least acquiesce.
That's their satanic operation.
They need us, like in the garden, to agree to it.
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
No.
Not one bit.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So, if I understand correctly, instant karma isn't after you die.
That is like, now.
jordan holmes
No, it's instant karma.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is real.
dan friesen
So, but...
I don't think that history backs that up.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't.
dan friesen
I don't think it does.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't.
dan friesen
What about all the monsters who died in their beds?
jordan holmes
Oh, but you missed out all the instant karma that did happen.
dan friesen
Oh, sure, like they stubbed their toe?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Instant karma.
dan friesen
I don't think that this works.
I think you're going to have a really tough time explaining how this system has ever operated in human history.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Especially if you go back to times when, like feudal times.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
How did instant karma work back then?
When life was cheap in the Dark Ages.
jordan holmes
So do you remember, so there was a, I can't remember, but it was, I can't remember if it was Roman or if it was not, but I feel like in my head it's Roman.
The metal bull.
Do you remember the metal bull?
The golden bull.
And they would put a human being inside the bull and light the fire underneath it, making that person burn alive inside of the bull while the king laughed.
dan friesen
I feel like you're talking about Game of Thrones.
jordan holmes
No, this is not Game of Thrones.
It's real.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's real.
And that guy...
Absolutely had diarrhea that night.
And that's what happens.
Instant karma, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's tough for me to wrap my head around this.
Now, Alex seems to also be saying that even if you manipulate the system and get people to do things of their own volition, you'll still have bad sin karma after you die.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Haven't you seen the scoreboards that follow us around everywhere and sit on top of our left shoulder?
Am I the only person who can see the scoreboard?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Because this makes perfect sense to me.
dan friesen
You and Alex.
jordan holmes
If you look at this scoreboard right over here.
dan friesen
I'm a little bit worried about the real-world application of this moral system.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm a little bit worried about it.
For one, if you believe this moral system...
And then, let's say you violate someone's free will, and then there's no instant karma?
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
I must not have violated their free will.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
There we go!
dan friesen
This could teach you the wrong lessons.
jordan holmes
I wasn't instantly karma-ed, so...
Furthermore, here's the biggest issue.
dan friesen
I mean, you know what that kind of implies?
Is that anything that you do, if God doesn't strike you down for doing it, it must be okay.
jordan holmes
Until after when you find out.
dan friesen
Well, but then it's not like instant karma.
It's just bad.
It's not that bad.
Whatever you did to somebody, they must have been fine with.
Or else God would have given you instant karma.
jordan holmes
Of course he would.
dan friesen
So the fact that you're still standing and don't have...
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
I think my biggest issue is that they can, quote, pressure you.
Yeah.
unidentified
Now...
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
What are the limits of pressure?
They can pressure you into agreeing with them.
dan friesen
Well, but they'll still be in trouble after they die.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They'll just not have instant karma if they pressure you.
jordan holmes
So they can just torture you endlessly until you agree.
dan friesen
What if they send a robot?
jordan holmes
Like we all know.
unidentified
With a gun and a little...
Because I would say that's not...
jordan holmes
Is Dalek pressure?
Is Dalek pressure?
I think that's the question.
dan friesen
I think Alex is saying that it is, but it's absolutely not.
If the globalists have to get you to agree to do things, Daleks with guns is not pressure.
That's force.
jordan holmes
That's pressure.
No, it's not.
unidentified
That's just pressure.
jordan holmes
Now, if the gun actually kills the person, that's instant karma.
But as long as you're just pressuring them with the threat of shooting them.
dan friesen
The threat of the gun is not pressure.
jordan holmes
Not instant karma, that's pressure.
dan friesen
That's an inappropriate level of pressure.
jordan holmes
Well, see, that's why I don't like when he says pressure.
dan friesen
I think it is debatable, you know, the whole idea of like...
Did I make you do something because I pointed a gun at you?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, if I make you rob a store and I'm pointing a gun at you, are you morally culpable, or should you have gotten shot instead of...
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Actually, this is a stupid conversation.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Of course I forced you to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, naturally.
You got a gun on me.
dan friesen
Yes, so the robot we got is not pressure, that's force.
This moral system makes no sense, but I want Alex to talk about it for an hour.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I think even a robot with a swab is maybe forced.
A robot comes up to you with a swab?
That's a little bit intimidating.
dan friesen
I mean, it's weird.
If there's no gun, it's not forced.
You could just then walk away from the robot.
jordan holmes
It's not Rosie the main robot from the Jetsons.
dan friesen
But if it's a Dalek, you can outrun it.
Close the door.
jordan holmes
No, Daleks can fly.
dan friesen
Not these ones.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Not real world ones.
jordan holmes
All right, well, I'll have to call Matt Smith and see what he can do about this.
dan friesen
Anyway, I just want Alex to do a fucking whole special episode about this weird moral system.
unidentified
Gotta.
dan friesen
And I'd love him to do, like, a call-in show where people can ask him questions to refine some of these ideas.
jordan holmes
I want him to have a chalkboard.
dan friesen
I think it would fall apart so fast.
jordan holmes
I really want him to try and explain it.
I really do, because it is...
Benonkers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now Alex takes another call, and something happens that happens more than I would like to admit, and that is this caller tells Alex about a dream he had.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
unidentified
Thanks, sir.
I take my call, brother.
Yes, sir.
Alex, I just wanted to reiterate a dream I had approximately 16 years ago.
A dream goes like this.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
I had crossed a gigantic cavern.
I don't know how I crossed it.
I didn't know where to go.
And I laid down on my back, I looked up to heaven, and I saw a blue spiraling light.
And this blue spiraling light turned into like a tornado.
And out of that blue spiraling light, a dove formed, a blue dove.
And I felt liquid love raindrops going entirely through me.
And a voice like a trumpet spoke to me and said, a moment is only for a moment, but a moment lasts forever.
And Alex, this is America's moment to stand up.
If this moment is missed, this moment will pass forever.
There's a shelf life on it, and kudos for you for going to Georgia today.
alex jones
They're right.
It's a dimensional jump point where they've liquefied the energy field for the future, and we have to remold things now.
dan friesen
What are those words?
They've liquefied the jump gate?
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
They liquefied the jump gate.
dan friesen
I had a dream that I was skateboarding last night.
Anyway, this guy apparently...
jordan holmes
I gotta tell you about a dream I had 16 years ago.
dan friesen
Please don't do this.
jordan holmes
So I was 17 years old.
Look, I love you.
dan friesen
You're my best friend.
jordan holmes
I don't want to hear your fucking dream.
No, you want to hear this dream.
It's really incredible.
So I had this dream, and there was this cat, and it was climbing up a tree.
You know cats, too.
And then I saw this blinding light.
And so did the cat.
And you know the cat saw it because the light blinded the cat so much that it fell and it was holding onto the tree just by its bare paws and a deep booming voice said, Hang in there, kitty.
And I just always hung on to that, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, it's a meaningful thing.
It's a meaningful thing.
I like the idea that some people are like in a maybe...
Like, protest outside capitals and be like, the time is now.
I mean, or else why would that guy who called Alex Jones' show have had that dream 16 years ago?
That's ludicrous.
jordan holmes
I just want to reiterate a dream I had 16 years ago.
It's the last sentence I want to hear anyone say ever.
dan friesen
I have to assume Alex on that moment was like, I'm so mad I freaked out at that caller earlier.
jordan holmes
I should have freaked out at this guy first.
God damn it.
dan friesen
I should have saved the freak out.
jordan holmes
Blew it too soon.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have one last clip, and it's sort of an intro to our Monday episode.
alex jones
Just a little bit, but I love Jesus.
unidentified
And so I'm on my way to Georgia.
alex jones
And I'm going to be with Roger Stone, Ollie Alexander, and so many others fighting the steel.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
Join us Monday on Knowledge Fight as we discuss Caravanity Project Part 3. The Texan went down to Georgia.
He was looking to stop the steel.
All right.
Yeah, so I'm excited about that, kind of.
I'm excited about the idea of, like, I'm playing by my own rules.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to cover this show, but I think a bottle episode where we talk about his time in Georgia makes more sense than us covering Wednesday at the end of this episode.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
Like the caravan, perfect two-parter.
Makes total sense.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And let me tell you something.
I shat on it a little bit, but that was a very well-written parody song.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
That was very well-written.
It was a good parody song.
I will be genuine for this one moment.
dan friesen
This is very nice of you to say.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I will admit.
In hindsight, there were some meter problems.
jordan holmes
There were a couple big ones.
That's the problem whenever you write it out and you don't sing it perfectly in advance.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I might have re-read it.
Anyway, I think that this was a little bit of a preamble episode in some ways.
I feel like this was getting ready to go to Georgia.
And it's this, he's just got back from D.C. Right.
And now he's about to leave again.
There's this weird middle place where it's like, fuck, I don't know.
I'm gonna hang out with Ali Alexander and all the Proud Boys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a layover in the airport.
dan friesen
Yeah, kind of.
But it's his home.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is a nomad for the 79 days of hell.
He is a man adrift, running around the country, hither and yon, trying to find attention wherever it might be.
jordan holmes
He is gonna have to do that, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That seems like what he's gotta do.
dan friesen
I will say, on the one hand, I'm glad it doesn't come off as desperate.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
I was being facetious.
Anyway, we'll be back on Monday, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You bet it is.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
Nat, go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We are on...
Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
We accept all callers except for censored.
I don't know how to do this one.
I fucked up.
Sorry.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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