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Aug. 19, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#471: August 14-16, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check out how Alex Jones processed the arrest of his employee/contractor Millie Weaver, and the release of her documentary ShadowGate. In this installment, Alex tries to make sense of what's going on and weirdly reaches some of the same conclusions Dan did.

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alex jones
20:49
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dan friesen
01:00:23
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jordan holmes
23:56
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tore lindeman
03:24
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge.
Fight.
Need.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, we are now sitting in new chairs.
jordan holmes
We are sitting in new chairs.
dan friesen
It's a bright spot for me because I spend so much time in an office chair.
The old ones that we had were a little bit rickety, but you were so kind as to provide us with some new chairs, Jordan, so thank you.
jordan holmes
It was a good day.
dan friesen
We appreciate that very much.
My butt, thanks to you.
And I guess lower back, more importantly, thanks to you.
jordan holmes
It's intense.
dan friesen
For someone who spends as much time as any office worker does on a chair, probably more.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very helpful to have a nice day.
jordan holmes
Most office workers don't have to live, eat, and breathe their job.
Or actually, no.
Now I feel like you do actually have to do that now.
dan friesen
Yeah, I didn't really recognize how little support the other chairs had until I sat down in this one.
Like the ones we had before.
It's just like an actual...
I don't know.
What does ergonomic mean?
jordan holmes
It contours to you specifically.
dan friesen
I feel like it might be that.
So that's my bright spot, Jordan.
How about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I just finished Ghosts of Sashima.
Which is very, very good.
I enjoyed it immensely.
dan friesen
We all know that.
jordan holmes
It's beautiful.
dan friesen
We've all read it.
jordan holmes
It's beautiful.
unidentified
Or watched it?
jordan holmes
No, it's a video game.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know the thing everybody knows about?
dan friesen
I don't know about this.
jordan holmes
What is this?
It's like an open-world role-playing game.
dan friesen
Oh, it sounds fun.
jordan holmes
You play as a samurai set during the Mongol invasion of Japan on the island of Sushima.
And it's basically like a fall of the Bushido code in the face of all this stuff.
It's so lovingly rendered a Japanese island.
It's gorgeous.
dan friesen
Oh, it sounds great.
Maybe I'll have to give this a try.
I do like an open world situation.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
If you like Horizon Zero Dawn, you're going to love it.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, you took my recommendation on that.
Maybe I'll have to take yours on this.
jordan holmes
Passing a football back and forth.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So, Jordan, today we have got an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
What we got in front of us, right in front of our faces, is a companion piece.
To our Monday episode.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
On Monday we went over the very tragically flawed documentary.
That Millie Weaver put out right after she got arrested.
jordan holmes
I think you mean dangerous and arrestable offense of a documentary.
dan friesen
No, I don't think it's arrestable of an offense.
I would say that most of the people who got shit thrown at them are public figures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they'll be fine.
dan friesen
And maybe they wouldn't be able to reach the standard of actual malice.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was so bad it's an arrestable offense.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, I think we discussed it was a crime against taste.
Certainly a crime against my time.
And I'd like to apologize to the listeners that it was that long.
jordan holmes
We do a documentary right, Dan.
unidentified
Sure, do we?
dan friesen
So, we did that for Monday, and in doing so, we had to leave aside the Alex Jones end of this.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because Millie Weaver is an Infowars...
I mean, I would describe her as an employee, but Alex certainly won't now.
We'll get to that in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
She's disowned.
She got disowned.
dan friesen
We will see over the course of this episode that Alex makes a very serious point of pointing out that she does not work there.
She is an independent contractor, and she does whatever she wants.
I didn't tell her to do shit.
So Alex might be throwing her under the bus a little bit.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Good day.
Yeah, so it's important to...
Let's see how Alex responds to something like this, because obviously it's a close associate of his who's worked, I don't know, technically or not, she's worked at Infowars for years.
She's done reports for them forever, and she got arrested for a reason, and in the midst of that, she has put out a documentary, and...
jordan holmes
Quotes.
Scare quotes around that.
dan friesen
Alex hasn't seen it when she gets arrested.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
He has no idea what's in it.
jordan holmes
Why would he?
dan friesen
He is caught on his fucking back foot so badly.
It's this...
jordan holmes
Because he has to...
Or he has a couple of choices.
One...
He can go all in on the conspiracy.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not having seen the documentary.
It could be an hour and twenty of him being shit on the whole time.
unidentified
He doesn't know.
dan friesen
That is an option.
jordan holmes
Or two, he can be like...
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
I've never met this person before.
Like the politician taking drug money.
Yeah, I've never.
Whoa, I'll give that back any moment.
dan friesen
He doesn't really go either of those routes, but this was really funny.
This weekend's Alex Jones coverage.
So we're going to be talking about Friday, a little video we put out on Saturday, and then Sunday's show.
So that's the 14th through the 15th, 2020 of August.
I'm Dan.
This is August.
jordan holmes
All right.
Nice.
That's why I said nice.
dan friesen
We'll get down to business on this episode here in a second.
But first, Jordan, let's take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'd be great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So first, Ray T. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Ray.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Charlie P. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Charlie.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Terry in 3D.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Terry.
dan friesen
Thank you, Terry much.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
No!
Okay.
dan friesen
I'll see myself.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
No, you say Richter.
dan friesen
Next, Michael P. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Michael.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Bjorn L. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bjorn.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Candice B. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Candice.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Jordan is my spirit animal.
All one word.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Jordan is my spirit animal.
jordan holmes
To the person who wrote that name.
dan friesen
Next, finally, Alan T. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Alan.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show, or you can take the generosity and...
Oh, I got it, I got it.
jordan holmes
You can take the generosity and gesture towards Jordan after not having a thought real quick.
dan friesen
And then take it back.
jordan holmes
And then take it back, take the gesture back.
dan friesen
And then take that generosity and build an aqueduct system through a medieval town.
jordan holmes
Roman aqueduct system, I imagine.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
And then make a little...
Little tiny boat.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Little tiny boat.
Put the generosity in the boat.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Flow it down that aqueduct.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All the way to a charity in your area.
In your area that helps people.
unidentified
You landed it.
jordan holmes
You landed it right.
dan friesen
I don't know why I took it back from you.
jordan holmes
I don't know why you took it back.
dan friesen
I could have left you out to try.
jordan holmes
I was going to go for something.
dan friesen
I took a swing and I tried.
So, Jordan, today, first of all, I'd like to issue a little correction.
I mispronounced some stuff on our Monday episode.
Apparently it's Minot instead of Minot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The city of North Dakota.
All right.
Anyway.
Jordan, we got a little thing real quick.
Before we get into today's episode, we're going to take a look at the mailbag.
All right.
Recently, you mentioned that you were a gigantic fan of Chunky Peanut Butter.
jordan holmes
I had hot takes regarding peanut butter.
dan friesen
And butters of other sorts.
jordan holmes
Butters of all types.
dan friesen
You apparently struck a chord with the secret no-name walk.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I don't know if I looked in the bag yet, but we got a note here.
I thought Jordan, in parentheses, and Dan, might try these alternative butters.
I eat the light blue packet all the time, which is vanilla almond butter, only sweetened with dates.
You spoke disparagingly of almond butter, and now you must try secret no-name wonks vanilla almond butter, and we will see if you can put your...
jordan holmes
You made this up to keep me quiet for the rest of the show, as I like...
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
This is...
This is good peanut butter.
dan friesen
As somebody who is in the audio field, I know that eating is disgusting on a mic, but the only thing grosser is probably the idea of someone eating peanut butter on a mic.
It's not like trying to get a horse to talk.
unidentified
That's not...
dan friesen
Oh, shit!
Oh, no!
jordan holmes
It's on my shoe!
dan friesen
Oh, no!
jordan holmes
It's a disaster!
dan friesen
Alright, you're giving it a try.
unidentified
I'll get you a paper towel.
Um...
jordan holmes
Well, it was pretty good.
dan friesen
You jerk!
jordan holmes
I don't know what you want me to say!
dan friesen
All this tough talk.
jordan holmes
Look, it's runny.
It has a terrible aftertaste.
dan friesen
You didn't mix it up well enough.
jordan holmes
I didn't mix it up well enough.
Yeah, I suppose that's probably...
dan friesen
That's why it spilled on your shoe.
jordan holmes
That's why it's runny, I would imagine.
Look, I'm not saying I'm blameless in the execution of this taste.
dan friesen
I feel like your immediate response to it was, it's alright.
I think you might like almond butter.
I think you're being unfair.
unidentified
I kept it going.
dan friesen
It's not good.
You've got a pro-peanut bias, and I don't approve of it.
jordan holmes
I love the...
It's the texture, Dan.
You've got to get a crunch.
dan friesen
It is nice.
I don't actually...
I like a creamy, smooth peanut butter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you people.
dan friesen
So, we have some phone calls, but we're going to get to those at the end of the episode.
I'm going to...
I decided we should move phone calls to the end of the episode so as to not make a ridiculously long opening.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like the one that we've just engaged in?
dan friesen
No, this isn't too long.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, good.
dan friesen
It's long-ish.
Anyway, here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
And Shadowgate is the gate of all gates.
jordan holmes
Sight unseen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Has not seen it at all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he is going to dip his toe into like...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, he has to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, yeah.
At first.
dan friesen
The gate of all gates.
jordan holmes
The gate of all gates.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It's the ninth gate.
jordan holmes
Wait, so...
dan friesen
Starring Johnny Depp.
jordan holmes
Which gates does it outgate?
dan friesen
Bill.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The ninth.
jordan holmes
All right.
Star?
dan friesen
Sure.
A lot of people posted about the old Nintendo game, Shadowgate.
jordan holmes
There's that.
dan friesen
Probably outgates that.
jordan holmes
Well, that's two gates, so it is technically the gate of all gates amongst shadows.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
So, we start here on the 14th, and...
I got tickled by this.
jordan holmes
You got tickled by it?
dan friesen
Because Alex claims later that he heard that Millie got arrested before the show started.
So the show starting like this seems really weird.
He is fancy free.
He doesn't seem to give a shit at all.
unidentified
Andy Griffith.
alex jones
And Opie.
He said that was basically based on the town he grew up in, I guess, in North Carolina.
A lot more empathy, a lot nicer people, a lot more down-to-earth folks than who had to skin a buck or run a trot line.
America was, by and large, Mayberry RFB.
But we're not anymore, are we?
We're New World Order, cyberpunk nightmare dystopia.
dan friesen
So Friday's show, Alex begins by whistling into the Andy Griffith theme song and then complaining that America isn't like a fictional town anymore.
jordan holmes
So Millie is arrested by this point.
dan friesen
Alex claims that he knows or he heard that she was arrested before he got on air.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if that's true, he decided.
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Time to whistle along with Andy Griffith.
dan friesen
He gives no indication that he is aware of Millie's arrest until a little ways into the episode.
So I don't actually think that he heard before the show.
I don't remember exactly the time of her arrest, or if he would, like, it's even possible if he knew before.
But he will say later on that he heard before the show.
jordan holmes
In retrospect.
dan friesen
So I don't care about whether...
jordan holmes
That makes him look like a psychopath.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't care whether or not it could be true.
I just think it's funny to imagine that, like, right before getting on air, he finds out that one of his quote-unquote employees, maybe not, got arrested, and then you're like...
jordan holmes
Oh, she's in jail?
alex jones
Well...
dan friesen
Hey, remember, going to pile like that was funny.
So it's just a normal-ass Alex show on Friday, on the 14th, at the beginning.
And so, like, he's just yelling about Black Lives Matter and Antifa and what have you.
alex jones
Because their empathy has been taken out of them.
So when we come back, I'm going to show you the empathy.
Black Lives Matter in Antifa attacking an emergency children's hospital while little kids are inside trying to burn it down.
And I'm going to show you Black Lives Matter coming to people's houses and saying, give us your money, your houses, everything.
We're here.
We support crime.
They actually say, we support crime.
And you go, why would they say that?
Because there's no bottom to it.
That's what the globalists have created.
Zombie-like monsters.
dan friesen
Yep, got zombie-like monsters going around.
Black Lives Matter are going to come to your house and take it.
unidentified
Take your house.
jordan holmes
I really am surprised that I almost missed doing the documentary because I forgot that, like, that's racist.
And it's terribly racist towards Black Lives Matter.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
But at least they're not, like, spinning yarns about how black people are going to break into your home and steal your shoes and then slap them on your face, you know?
dan friesen
Oh, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
This is still more intense than I appreciate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we're not going to get too much on that tip on this episode because Alex does mostly get into Millie-related stuff.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
And other sundry issues.
But I just wanted to put that in to remind you that this is still an Alex Jones show.
jordan holmes
It's still an Alex Jones show.
dan friesen
And so until he clearly learns half an hour into the show that Millie got arrested, it's just a normal show.
He's just going through the motions as normal.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he finds out that Millie's been arrested.
And it's very clear that out of the gate, he wants to use this for promotion.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
Okay, so Millie Weaver and her husband, Gavin, had been working with people affiliated with folks in the White House, Hugh, you name it.
And they interviewed former military officers.
And other whistleblowers, including NSA whistleblowers that are very well-known individuals.
And they were making this independent film titled Shadowgate.
And we'll pull the trailer up in a minute and play it for you.
This just happened during the short break.
They were scheduled to come on yesterday, but Millie said they were getting followed.
People were breaking it on their phones.
Stuff was getting taken off their computers.
Well, they just got SWAT teamed.
jordan holmes
We saw the video.
alex jones
So the trailer is up on band.video.
dan friesen
They got SWAT teamed!
jordan holmes
We saw that we can see the video of her being arrested.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, you can.
jordan holmes
This was more Andy Griffith, honestly, than anything else.
Yeah.
Alright.
She got SWAT teamed.
dan friesen
Alex does end up walking that back after he himself watches the video.
unidentified
Yeah, I would imagine so.
dan friesen
Because he has not watched it yet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course not.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he is reporting this sight unseen Millie Got Swat team.
Sure.
Yeah, she was going to come on yesterday, so that would have been Thursday.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
It's important to keep the timeline straight.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Immediately, Alex is saying yesterday she was supposed to be on, now on Friday, not on, arrested.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In Ohio, no less.
So I don't know how she would have been on yesterday.
jordan holmes
She would have been on yesterday.
dan friesen
She's a jet setter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, she's got skills.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is the first point where Alex tries to cover his ass by being like, she doesn't work here.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
So Millie and Torrey Moran's, who...
alex jones
Again, as said, she can't tell you where all this is, where Hillary's emails are, where all this is, or she'll get arrested.
Well, they're trying to arrest her right now.
So that's what I explained to listeners, folks.
This isn't a game up here, okay?
We're not up here telling you that we got this or we got that and we don't.
I warned Millie and her husband, Gavin, who I like, that they're contractors, they do their own thing, their own shows, they contribute here.
I told them, I said, this is extremely dangerous.
And I said, I don't want to see any of these documents.
I already know all this.
dan friesen
I don't want to see that shit.
Wait, wait.
jordan holmes
I didn't see shit.
I already know this stuff.
Now, as a journalist, I don't want to see this stuff.
dan friesen
I don't want to see shit.
jordan holmes
I don't want to be attached to this.
I need plausible deniability that I will get rid of entirely by announcing that I knew it was illegal.
dan friesen
Millie, you do not work here, and I didn't see shit.
I love this immediate knee-jerk.
And it leads me to believe that Alex thinks that she might be mixed up in something.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
Alex might think that she's probably dealing with some shady fucking characters.
jordan holmes
He's probably like, oh shit, I got stoned again, didn't I?
This is a Roger situation all over again.
dan friesen
I don't know what he's imagining she did other than...
I don't know.
If he'd seen the documentary, he would know that there's no reason to worry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He would know that this is nonsense.
Nothing to worry about.
But Alex at this point is like, hey man, I mean, Trump needs to get involved.
Trump needs to have fucking Bill Barr.
jordan holmes
Pardon her.
Pardon Millie!
Change.org!
dan friesen
What if that Susan B. Anthony pardon was actually for Millie?
jordan holmes
Susan B. Anthony, parentheses, rainbow snatch.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Yeah, so Bill Barr needs to get involved here.
jordan holmes
Yes, I think so.
alex jones
Trump needs to immediately have the head of the Justice Department talk to Millie Weaver and these other folks, because these are real people.
I mean, they interviewed former high-level NSA people, and because of the way things are going, I guess these folks told them some big secrets, folks.
It's a big C. And I was at arm's length on this because I know how dangerous it is.
I said, Millie?
I mean, believe me, they got General Flynn's son to come to our event in D.C. and they had a bunch of defense intelligence people there.
I mean, this is a serious war inside the government.
dan friesen
Millie didn't get fucking Mike Flynn Jr. to come to that CPAC event.
We heard it.
unidentified
She used social engineering, Dan.
dan friesen
No, Ivan Reiklin brought Michael Flynn Jr. because he was trying to promote his startup.
jordan holmes
That's because Millie Weaver first social engineered them to then social engineer Flynn Jr.
dan friesen
No, Ivan Reiklin had been on Alex's show before in the past and he was involved with the Flynn Defense Fund fundraiser stuff.
And he brought Michael Flynn Jr.
Alex was fucking wasted.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And Alex did announce entirely what happened.
dan friesen
And then Alex almost cried while Michael Flynn Jr. stood by very uncomfortably.
jordan holmes
No, it was beautiful.
unidentified
Your dad was going to put the military back in the government.
jordan holmes
It was a heartfelt and sincere moment, and I hate that you're twisting it into something tawdry.
dan friesen
And then Alex passed out drunk before his headlining speech.
jordan holmes
There's that.
That one is hard to...
Hard to square.
dan friesen
And Rob Dew had to close out the...
Oh, I'm sorry.
Owen Schroyer.
I think Rob Dew was passed out drunk, too.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Owen Schroyer tried to take the reins.
jordan holmes
One good turn.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was...
That event was not as full of defense intelligence as much as Alex might be pretending.
jordan holmes
Not as much.
dan friesen
Anyway, at this point, Alex plays the video of the arrest, and this is where he learns that...
jordan holmes
They did not get swatted.
dan friesen
Oh, not a swat team.
unidentified
Where's my shoe?
I have one shoe here.
alex jones
I was told it was a SWAT team there.
They must have been outside.
At least they didn't do the no-knock warrant.
So we're good.
jordan holmes
Wait, so no-knocks are bad?
dan friesen
Apparently.
Yet to mention Breonna Taylor at all.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Huh.
dan friesen
Good, good.
Also good to know that you reported that she got SWAT teamed based on...
jordan holmes
Zero.
dan friesen
...hearsay?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Someone saying that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, so it's true.
Right.
dan friesen
Good journalistic instincts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what you do.
dan friesen
So here Alex goes back to the well of bad journalistic instincts and reports that she was arrested.
Probably because she had Hillary's emails.
unidentified
I don't understand what's happening right now.
alex jones
Alright, so they're saying they have stolen government documents.
And it's reportedly Hillary's emails, all of it.
Nobody has the courage to put this stuff out.
And the Justice Department's all scared.
dan friesen
Reportedly, it's the emails.
Who's reporting that?
jordan holmes
I think it might be Alex.
I think it might just be Alex.
I think the only person reporting that is Alex.
dan friesen
Yep!
So, as it turns out, the issue now we know because the arrest indictments have come out.
This has to do with the family squabble that happened between Millie and her mother who was coming to visit.
I have the article here.
From Cleveland.com.
And I'll just read out what the main thing here is.
Quote, the report says that McCarran, that's Millie's mom, came from California to stay with the trio at Wentz's Yale Road home earlier this year after her employer in North Hollywood shut down due to the coronavirus.
McCarran told deputies that Millie Weaver was swearing at her, being mean and calling her names on April 25th, and she was texting with a bishop at the Mormon church where she attended about it, the report says.
McCarran said she decided to record the behavior on her cell phone and placed it in the back pocket of her jeans while she made a grilled cheese sandwich, the report says.
Millie Weaver sat at the bar.
Charles Weaver, that's Millie's brother, washed the dishes and Wint stood nearby, the report says.
The trio began picking on her, including talking down to her and, quote, generally being mean, McCarran told deputies.
Someone noticed the phone in her pocket and suggested that she was recording, the report says.
The report does not identify who first made the suggestion.
McCarran says Wentz told Charles Weaver to, quote, grab her, and the two grabbed her arms, McCarran said.
Millie Weaver joined in, and all three wrestled the mother to the ground, McCarran said, according to the report.
McCarran said she tried to kick and punch them while they were on her.
The cell phone fell out of her pocket, and someone grabbed it, the report says.
McCarran then ran out of the house and said she was going to call the police.
She ran to a neighbor's house and dialed 911.
The report says that both McCarron and the neighbors saw Charles Weaver run to the edge of the woods behind the house and return almost immediately as McCarron was on the phone with deputies.
McCarron suspected her son was trying to get rid of her cell phone, the report says.
So they ended up...
jordan holmes
Okay, so he's at a traffic stop throwing weed out of his car.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
I'm just eating it.
jordan holmes
Just eating it.
dan friesen
You gotta eat the phone.
jordan holmes
Flush it!
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
And it's a phone.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a...
So...
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so they all got interviewed.
Deputies came and they interviewed Millie, her brother, and Gavin Wins.
And they all gave different accounts of what had happened.
jordan holmes
No, that's because they're master criminals.
dan friesen
There was a bunch of...
It's a bunch of contradictions.
Millie had told the deputies that her mother had lost the cell phone two days prior.
And it's a load of nonsense.
There's no coherence to any of their stories.
jordan holmes
That's so surprising.
I really thought that these people would just really be able to come together and solve this one.
dan friesen
And if you read this article, it also mentions that the bishop at the church...
That her mother was apparently texting with confirmed the story.
That he was corresponding to her about this.
Confirmed many of the details that McCarran had relayed, as the report says.
jordan holmes
Alright, so Millie and her husband and her brother are all a bunch of dicks.
dan friesen
I mean, we knew that before, probably.
I mean, I didn't know she had a brother before, but now we know that.
jordan holmes
Now we know he's also a dick.
dan friesen
But yeah, so apparently that explains the burglary, because they stole her phone.
jordan holmes
They stole her phone.
dan friesen
The obstruction of justice and...
jordan holmes
Lying to the investigators.
dan friesen
Messing with evidence that's getting rid of the phone.
And then the domestic violence is tackling your mother.
jordan holmes
Pushing your mother down.
dan friesen
So all the charges make sense.
jordan holmes
Because of the stolen documents.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, that's probably the last salvo that one has in this case when trying to spin this.
Yeah, so after that, after the investigation, apparently the case was referred to the county prosecutor's office and eventually presented to a grand jury, made its way through, and then now warrant is served.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, I think this all makes total sense.
I think, I don't know, I don't have any reason to believe that there's anything fishy going on here other than...
Maybe some unfortunate family dynamics and some people being pretty out of line.
I don't know.
We'll see what happens with the further information that comes out about it.
But at this point, based on having watched the documentary, having looked into all that stuff, I think that there's probably a domestic violence incident.
jordan holmes
Knowing that Millie Weaver is a dick.
dan friesen
And she had to have known.
That her mother had called the police on them.
Yeah.
She had to have known.
The deputies came and talked to her.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe she didn't know that there was a warrant for her arrest, but I would assume that you would.
I would assume you'd get notified.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have no idea on that, though, so I don't know.
Anyway, Alex, at this point, has nowhere to turn except the experts in that documentary.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
That's a real bad day.
dan friesen
He has Tori on.
jordan holmes
That's a real bad day.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So, Tori is on, and she's just got real...
Real soft defense for Millie.
tore lindeman
And her internet connection was extremely slow.
And so it was very difficult for her to even put it together.
alex jones
Sure, obviously, everything's under surveillance.
So you guys were about to release this.
What do you think's going on?
tore lindeman
Well, you know, they know that we don't have possession of Hillary's emails.
So this is just them trying to get information.
I mean, burglary?
Come on, Alex.
Why would Millie commit burglary?
This is insane.
dan friesen
Why would one burgle?
I ask you, Jordan.
Why would someone burgle?
jordan holmes
Because there was evidence?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not good.
But the two of them seem to get along okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
dan friesen
I think they might have talked in the past before because Tori was the source for the Kentucky election story.
Which Alex is much more forthright about than Millie was in her documentary, which is weird.
But there's something really strange going on.
And that is the day that Millie is arrested, and they end up releasing the video.
Patrick Berge, the other expert from that documentary, is in Austin.
This is very weird.
jordan holmes
That is weird.
alex jones
By the way, he was in town wanting to come here and get on the show yesterday, and I was waiting for Millie.
To tell me to pull the trigger.
So, a lot of crazy stuff going on.
Wow.
dan friesen
So, Patrick was in Austin the day before.
Alex has said that Millie was going to come on the day before.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, there seems to be a timeline of something there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's unclear.
Very strange.
jordan holmes
It sounds like they were going to tag team in some way, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's hard to say.
jordan holmes
It sounds like that's the only...
Or Patrick Berge sounds also like the guy who might up and hop a flight to Info Wars and be like, Hey, I've got some ideas to give to you about what's wrong.
dan friesen
I think one of the things is you have a number of chaotic elements, and...
Like, all of them have an angle.
All of them have an idea of what's going on, and I don't know who the fuck's doing what.
jordan holmes
Much like Millie's tight-knit family, none of them have yet coordinated their story.
dan friesen
Millie is trying to get this documentary out, and unfortunately, the timing of it also coincides with her allegedly assaulting her mother.
Tori is...
Out there, and she's got some agenda of her own.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Patrick Berge is another rogue actor.
Alex is confused, but is also the central hub of all this.
He's got a business to protect.
He's being sued by everybody.
He doesn't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
So all four of them...
Hey, where the fuck these planets come from?
dan friesen
All four of them have slightly different interests, but it's all around the same thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It gets really confusing.
jordan holmes
It's interesting.
dan friesen
So I'm not even positive that Patrick Berge and Millie coordinated that they were going to be on the day prior.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think it's entirely possible...
That Bergy came to Austin and wanted to get on Alex's show, and Millie was trying to facilitate that, and it somehow didn't work.
How the fuck wouldn't it work?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
What is happening?
dan friesen
He has no standards for who he has on the show as a guest.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess maybe Bergy's just really, really annoying.
dan friesen
I get that vibe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, by Berkey's own admission, he goes to places where people are and he rings them for a long time.
dan friesen
I paid $450 to meet Dan Bongino at a meet and greet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I told him he had no honor that he blocked me on Twitter.
jordan holmes
And I still owe $100 to the commissioner's office.
dan friesen
I think he paid that.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So anyway, Millie was in deep.
All right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
She was in deep with intelligence operatives.
alex jones
You know, when I saw the last few years who Millie Weaver and her husband were working with, And some of the people, I was like, look, you're in really deep in Cloak& Dagger stuff.
And I said, I personally have decided not to be involved in this and to just analyze news and cover it.
jordan holmes
Could be an excuse for why I don't know what's going on.
alex jones
I mean, we had an event in D.C. and it was crawling with not the fake spies, okay?
I mean, there was real Green Beret officers, people all over the place.
I mean, ridiculous, okay?
dan friesen
You were fucking three sheets to the wind drunk.
He always credits Ivan Reiklund as a Green Beret, so that's clearly who he's talking about there.
But, look, I love this angle.
This angle of, like, Millie was in deep, and I don't get into that kind of thing.
All I do is report the news.
I just have analysis of the news.
Smash cut to the 100,000 times Alex has been like, I talk to everybody.
I talk to heads of state, listen to my show, and I get...
I have the best sources deep within the government.
The good guys in intelligence.
Yeah, I don't get into that secret stuff.
jordan holmes
All of this stuff is FOIA requests that I'm talking about.
I have these sources and I make sure I back up that information with public information.
dan friesen
All of my FOIA requests are under an assumed name.
jordan holmes
That's such a great...
I love when he's clearly trying to make up a narrative as he's going along.
His tone of voice is completely different.
He's clearly scrambling.
dan friesen
And there's a refusal to commit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Even about Millie being associated with information in official capacity.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know nothing.
I've never even talked to the deep state, honestly.
I'm just a news guy.
dan friesen
This has the on-air feeling of the John Bolton quote.
He's like, I don't want any part of this drug deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
You are not going to rub this on me.
dan friesen
No, Millie.
jordan holmes
You take the years, Millie.
You got him.
dan friesen
So, Patrick Berge was in Austin the day before, but...
Surprise of surprises, he's still in Austin.
jordan holmes
Oh, that is surprising.
dan friesen
And so Alex decides he's going to get him in studio.
alex jones
We have one of the whistleblowers here, Patrick Berge.
I knew Millie was saying get him on as a guest, and then he's here in Austin, so we're going to look at getting him in here.
I am not going to post Shadowgate without watching it.
It might be a crime in their perspectives to watch it.
But you see, we're journalists, so that's always been protected.
But now there's no respect for journalism.
jordan holmes
Sounds like you just found that out.
dan friesen
Alex is being uncharacteristically cautious.
jordan holmes
This is cagey.
dan friesen
This is weird.
He also seems very confused.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which I can't blame him for.
Like, there's a lot being thrown in his lap in the middle of being on air.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm getting.
Here's the vibe I'm getting.
Holy shit.
Did she actually do something?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did she do journalism and I didn't know about it?
dan friesen
That is kind of the feeling.
jordan holmes
I'm not supposed to deal with reality and Millie is making me deal with it and I don't like it.
dan friesen
That's the most generous interpretation of it.
It's like, oh my god, one of these ding-dongs that works for me accidentally actually got a secret clandestine document.
jordan holmes
Whoops!
unidentified
Oh no, I want no part of this.
jordan holmes
We make lies about racism.
Come on now.
dan friesen
I yell about Snowden.
I don't want any part of it.
That's one possibility.
Another possibility that I considered is that Alex does such a bad job of training or getting these people to understand how to do their job of investigative journalism.
He might think that she just broke into a place or something.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And didn't get a secret document or something.
But if she was doing it as an Infowars employee, that could reflect poorly on him.
He wants no part of that.
So obviously, she's a fucking contractor.
She is not an employee.
jordan holmes
No benefits.
dan friesen
No benefits.
But look, benefits are hard.
They take a lot of money for Alex to pay.
And if he doesn't plug...
There ain't no money coming in.
alex jones
I didn't plug last hour.
I didn't plug this hour.
I barely plugged yesterday.
Almost no money came in.
We won't be here in six months at that rate.
I'm not bitching.
I'm not complaining.
But when I tell you, hey, the whole country may not be here.
If you want vitamins and minerals and high-quality supplements or books or T-shirts, a piece of history.
I mean, I'm serious.
I hope we win this, but we're going into a gladiatorial fight here where there's a good chance we won't be here anymore, which is kind of a way off my back.
I mean, I'm a fatalist.
I don't want to be destroyed, but I really don't care.
I just want to defeat the New World Order.
I don't care what happens to me, and I think a lot of us have gone to that point.
dan friesen
It seems like there's two things that I don't understand which is the reality that's being depicted.
Like, there's one that's...
If InfoWars goes down, so does the country.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And then there's another part.
I don't care if I get destroyed as long as the country survives.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I don't know which is what he's actually trying to push.
jordan holmes
I want money.
dan friesen
Yes.
Well, I mean, that is behind a lot of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he needs money because he has to pay the benefits for these employees.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
He has employees, but also Millie isn't one of them.
unidentified
Not one of them.
dan friesen
She is not.
alex jones
And again, I can say, oh, InfoWars reporter arrested.
They do contracting for us.
I'm not distancing myself from them.
jordan holmes
But that is exactly what you're doing.
alex jones
They've got their own stuff going on.
And so I just see what they produce and what they do.
And I sponsor them.
dan friesen
If he was proud of this, he would be like, not only is she an employee, she is part owner of it.
jordan holmes
And not just that, but he's going all in on, you need to give us money so I can take care of her bail funds and we can fight her legal fees and all that stuff.
He's not doing that?
dan friesen
He's not doing that.
jordan holmes
See, if he cared about it, or if he believed in her shit.
dan friesen
Oh yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
He barely is plugging the GoFundMe that got set up.
The Ezra Levant set up a GoFundMe for Millie.
jordan holmes
Oh man.
Guys, these people are not your friends.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Alex, Stone's not your friend.
Millie, Alex isn't your friend.
None of you are friends.
dan friesen
The way Alex is behaving is very much like, I want Millie to get out of prison.
I don't want her to be in prison, but also I don't want...
Anything to look bad for me.
So in case she did do something, I want to be careful.
And I haven't seen this fucking documentary that you made.
This might be a fucking nonsense thing.
I'm not going to post this without watching.
What if she's slandering people?
jordan holmes
Yeah, the documentary is a metaphorical gun fired at a pizza place.
dan friesen
So Alex basically is...
Operating on Friday on the assumption that she got arrested for stealing documents.
That's pretty much where he's at.
unidentified
Gotcha.
alex jones
And now they've arrested her today.
The feds have for a burglary, which theft, it doesn't say.
It's very secretive.
It's sealed.
It's obviously a national security issue.
Here is the trailer for Shadowgate.
dan friesen
It's obviously a national security issue.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
The feds arrested her.
Obviously.
Not the feds.
jordan holmes
We just saw the video clearly showing the feds with the SWAT team conveniently outside.
dan friesen
Yeah, very politely waiting for her to put on her shoes.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So Patrick Berge comes in, and he has a bit of a version of the story that adds some layers of complexity.
Apparently he was talking to Gavin Wintz just before.
The arrest.
unidentified
He had just told me that there was going to be a big interview on Monday by somebody with President Trump.
And somebody was going to ask President Trump about Shadowgate on Monday.
And I said, well, no, they won't.
I said, no way in hell someone's going to let that happen, right?
And within a couple minutes of me saying that...
Within a couple minutes of me saying that, the police were showing up in Gavin's driveway.
Millie met them in the driveway.
jordan holmes
Did she?
We saw the video, right?
dan friesen
No, I think she did meet them outside.
I don't know.
It's hard to tell.
I don't know where the clear beginning or end point of that video is.
But, yeah, I don't care.
I don't believe this guy as far as I can throw him.
Particularly care about this story.
Although, there is...
The clip is too long to have kept in on the episode.
But Patrick tells Alex that I was cautious about coming on your show.
And that's because your show is called InfoWars.
And that's Information War.
jordan holmes
And I'm an ice spy guy.
dan friesen
I'm against that.
And I was like, well, you gotta understand, I named it that because I'm against information warfare.
They have this weird sort of interaction that you can tell that there's some frostiness between them.
There's a real vibe of like...
This guy might believe in some sort of internet stuff that's harder than Alex.
And that maybe looks at Alex as a shill.
jordan holmes
My imaginary bullshit is in conflict with your imaginary bullshit.
dan friesen
And my imaginary bullshit is also...
That includes a way to dismiss your imaginary bullshit.
And the fact that your website is called Infowars leads me to believe that you're engaged in information warfare.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Psych warfare.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I'm opposed to that.
It's very uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
We're just doing word association at this point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex gets kind of defensive.
But he is also really, really...
The two things that he's stressing on this episode so strongly...
Are that Millie doesn't work here.
jordan holmes
Doesn't work there.
dan friesen
And I don't do secret shit.
jordan holmes
Never met her before.
alex jones
I was really warning Millie to watch out when I was in D.C. and they had real cloak and dagger, not fake wannabe spies around it, like the real deal.
And I was like, you need to really be careful what you're involved in because I don't get involved in any of this.
I open source to all my research, have guests on, and that's that because they've tried to set us up a bunch and it's very dangerous.
dan friesen
I don't do secret stuff.
I've never had a secret.
jordan holmes
I feel like I have heard him have top secret sources.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Are you talking about some lieutenant colonels?
jordan holmes
I think he might have a large number of lieutenant colonels in every branch of all the...
I mean, I guess everywhere.
dan friesen
He says that the globalists are planning to overthrow the president.
He says that they're trying to kill everyone with a race-specific bioweapon.
jordan holmes
Hey, his best friend helped to organize an illegal theft of an election.
unidentified
He doesn't do secret shit, Dan.
dan friesen
So, Patrick Berge is very bitter about various media entities that have snubbed him in the past, and so he complains a little bit about Dan Bongino here, and then Alex betrays Dan Bongino's confidence on air.
unidentified
So, that's where we're at.
I can't trust anybody in the media.
Dan Bongino, Sarah Carter.
Sarah Carter sent me...
alex jones
Well, here's the deal.
Bongino is scared.
They broke in his house.
He asked me not to tell people that, but they did a bunch of stuff to him, and his wife can't handle it.
dan friesen
I love the idea that Alex is like, secret sources trust me because they know that I don't talk.
Bongino's scared.
They broke into his house.
He told me not to tell anybody.
unidentified
The least trustworthy person in the world.
jordan holmes
He's not having a private conversation, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This isn't him gossiping in the foyer with a couple of friends.
dan friesen
I understand that in order to do any kind of public sort of thing, you do kind of have to train yourself a tiny bit to get over the fact that a lot of people listen to a thing.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because if you really sat down and thought about the implications of like...
Every single ear that hears the words that you say, it would be so overwhelming.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It'd be very difficult to deal with.
But the extreme of that, to the point where you're airing Dan Bongino's alleged dirty business on air is private shit.
Like, that's not cool.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
My wife had to have a partial hysterectomy.
She didn't want anybody to know that, but we're going to keep going.
Wait, wait, what?
Am I on air?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's so awesome, too, when the thought or the piece of information is immediately followed up with, you told me not to tell anybody.
jordan holmes
Didn't want me to say that.
Didn't want me to say that, but I'm a good friend.
dan friesen
He often will swear and then be like, cut that out.
Why couldn't you just say that?
Dan Bongino's scared they broke into his house.
jordan holmes
Cut that out.
That's still good stuff.
That's still gold, Dan.
dan friesen
It seems like if you're betraying a person's confidence, you would cut it out.
jordan holmes
You would have to realize what a betrayal actually means if you were Alex.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So anyway, Bongino's scared.
And all these people in media who aren't down with helping out with Patrick Berge, they're all just scared and blackmailed.
unidentified
I don't know what his justification might be.
alex jones
I'm just saying to say, oh, Bongino didn't have me on.
It's not because he's bad.
Fox tells them the NRA would tell them who they can have on.
unidentified
It wasn't about...
alex jones
You understand, all those guys are good people.
unidentified
It wasn't about being...
alex jones
I mean, take Judge DePaul Tom.
He's totally blackmailed.
It's not anything illegal he's doing.
But he's blackmailed.
Why do you think he's anti-Trump?
I'm not blackmailing.
jordan holmes
Only explanation.
alex jones
Because I don't do anything bad, and I don't care whatever they make up.
Anyways, I don't want to get back into me.
I just think we're a prototype of how to defeat this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He really thinks she might have actually done it this time.
He really does.
dan friesen
I do get the sense that he is at least wanting to cover his ass.
jordan holmes
I don't do anything bad.
unidentified
He's really going hard on this.
dan friesen
They have a disappointing end to the episode.
Actually, the episode goes on quite a while after this because Alex ends up like...
I guess not thinking that Millie being arrested in this documentary is what needs to be talked about for the rest of the show, because he talks a bit about how he...
Over the weekend, he's going to go back to the green belt, and he's going to protest that people won't let his wife go on the trail.
jordan holmes
Look, if you go viral once, you've got to get back into that well.
dan friesen
He did do that, and I will say that when he showed back up, he had a real big boy bullhorn.
So he did learn his lesson there, but we come to Saturday, and Alex put out a video on Saturday that is supposed to be an update on the situation with Millie.
alex jones
Alex Jones here with an exclusive update on...
Millie Weaver being arrested yesterday morning in Ohio, along with her husband, Gavin Wentz.
I've known Millie over eight years.
I've known Gavin about six.
I know both her children.
They've been contractors with us for many years.
jordan holmes
Contractors.
alex jones
She's a very good Christian lady, very hardworking, and so is Gavin.
And the answer is, I don't have a lot of answers right now.
They don't know what's going on.
They're being held in a jail.
They've been told that it is a sealed indictment for burglary and some other things.
And I don't blame listeners and viewers and the internet thinking this is funny.
dan friesen
I don't know shit.
I gotta say, like, there is a sort of sensibility that's coming out of Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he talks about how, like, the police seemed weird, you know, like, the video seems weird.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The fact that he's like, I understand why people would think this would maybe be staged.
jordan holmes
He's not saying it's staged.
He's saying, I understand why people would say it's aged.
dan friesen
That indicates a little bit of a self-awareness.
And granted, even though I don't really believe in him because he goes off the rails, I think that that's a flicker of some sort of rationality that you rarely see in him.
jordan holmes
It didn't even take a lawyer next to him to get him to not be an asshole.
Or is Barnes next to him?
dan friesen
Barnes is somewhere.
jordan holmes
Just in the shadows.
dan friesen
Alex does mention talking to Barnes a couple times.
But he does not make an appearance.
So Alex gets to talking about this, and apparently on Friday's show, Alex said that the documentary was supposed to come out on Thursday, the day prior.
So that would have been the 13th.
Now it turns out there's a different release date.
alex jones
And here's why people think we staged it.
Not just how the cops act weird, but you'll see in the news on Monday, she's indicted, she's in jail, it's real.
It's that the film was supposed to come out Wednesday, but they had problems with the encoding.
They were going to come on the show, it was all set up, her and this whistleblower and others.
It was going to be the whistleblower, it was going to be Tori and it was going to be Millie.
And one of their guests, I mean, the guy who came to Austin to be...
I agree that they didn't stage that, but now we have Thursday was supposed to come out, but now Wednesday.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's confusing.
jordan holmes
And a guy that you didn't have on the show because you weren't sure of who he was, was already pre-scheduled for Wednesday.
dan friesen
And it's strange, too, because Patrick Berge put out a little video over the weekend, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, does he have something to say?
dan friesen
He has a little something.
unidentified
And keep in mind, they weren't planning to upload the video yesterday.
They weren't planning to be done with it until Monday.
And so I think that this was a preemptive action.
dan friesen
So in his video over the weekend where he's talking about heading to Ohio to break Millie out, basically, he says that the video wasn't even supposed to come out until the next Monday.
We have three different release dates from two different people, because Alex has provided two of them.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
That's true.
The difference in them is one is future, the other is past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what's real here.
I also don't care.
jordan holmes
No, that's a good point.
I don't care what's real.
Beyond just wanting to know.
I would like to know.
dan friesen
Jordan, I'll be honest with you.
I don't even want to know.
jordan holmes
I don't think I do either.
dan friesen
I'm more interested in the fact that there are these discrepancies that aren't resolved, that are just left dangling.
jordan holmes
For no reason.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, one of the reasons is everybody's full of shit.
jordan holmes
There is that reason.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And you know what's interesting?
jordan holmes
Just like a compulsive liar.
None of them could tell you the real release date, even if they wanted to.
dan friesen
Probably not.
But what's interesting is, in this video that Bergie put out over the weekend, he is not so into Alex.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
After the interview, he has turned on Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
What I saw with Alex Jones yesterday was pretty kind of disappointing.
One of his reporters, one of his colleagues, although they are subcontractors, I don't know if you saw the same thing as I did, but it seemed like he was pretty much in cover your ass mode the whole thing.
He said he wasn't trying to distance himself.
I believed him.
dan friesen
Bergie's full of shit.
I don't agree with him on anything, but he's right.
jordan holmes
He's dead right on all of that.
Yep, 100% correct.
dan friesen
Before I saw that video that Bergie put out, I had watched Friday's show, and that was exactly the feeling that I got from this.
Alex is 100% trying to cover his ass.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
I don't know, Billy.
She doesn't work here?
I don't do secret shit!
I told her at CPAC she's in too deep!
jordan holmes
Hey, no, no, listen.
I'm not trying to distance myself or anything.
It's just that I've never met the woman before.
We've never even been in the same room, honestly.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So, Alex, we're back to his Saturday report now.
And Alex has a spin on this.
And this is probably as good as you're going to do.
It's not great, but it's about as good as you got.
alex jones
The folks that talked to Millie today said that a few months ago, Her mother was there, and she hadn't visited in a few years.
I knew they were estranged from her mother who lives out in California.
Her mother, because of COVID, came.
And then her mother was there with the phone, according to them, videotaping videos and documents they had.
And I don't think she's working for some government agency or group, but I think just seeing this type of stuff, your daughter involved with, like, real NSA whistleblowers and, like, real government documents may have freaked her out.
And then she went to the police.
And they admitted to me that they grabbed the phone away.
And they smashed it.
And they bought her a new one.
But that doesn't get you a grand jury indictment over some $500 phone.
dan friesen
So this is weird because Alex is saying that he talked to someone who talked to Millie.
But then now he's saying that Millie confessed to him that they took the phone.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
I don't understand.
jordan holmes
Confess through the intermediate.
Honestly, he's never directly spoken to Millie before in his entire life.
dan friesen
Always through an intermediate.
jordan holmes
It's always through an intermediate.
dan friesen
So apparently the story now is that, I mean, because the information has come out that this is what the arrest was about.
We have to now contextualize it, and it's that Millie's mom...
Was a globalist.
jordan holmes
It's not terrible.
dan friesen
She's a spy.
jordan holmes
It's not terrible.
dan friesen
She was in there trying to take sneaky snapshots of all of her information to send to John Brennan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there we go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's definitely not something where she was being verbally abused and without question some very almost certainly racist shit was said.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
And there we go.
dan friesen
So Alex claims in this next clip that Millie was sort of the reason Then Mike Flynn Jr. came to the CPAC event, which we know is not true, because that was Ivan Reikland.
And last, Millie brought Ivan Reikland, but that doesn't make sense either, because Ivan had already been a guest on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Either way, Alex has never met either of these people.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He doesn't know anybody.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know anybody.
alex jones
I know that Millie and Gavin came to my DC event in January, and they brought General Flynn's son with them, and they had a lot of big heavy hitters there.
And I was like, what are you guys into?
Not attacking Flynn, but I was just like...
This was some serious stuff.
I was like, these aren't fake spies the people you brought here.
What are you involved in?
jordan holmes
I'm used to fake spies.
I'm used to fake spies.
dan friesen
Let's take a second to analyze that.
jordan holmes
Normally they bring fake spies here.
Normally I don't have to deal with the real people.
dan friesen
Say that multiple times.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he knows.
It does seem like he's aware.
dan friesen
It's my expectation that I'm hanging out with weirdos who are making shit up.
jordan holmes
There's no other way to take that, right?
There's no other way to read that.
dan friesen
Now, in my day-to-day life, what I like to do is I like to hang out with people who are role-playing.
Millie, on the other hand.
It's hanging out with people who seemed for real.
jordan holmes
And that was scary.
dan friesen
That's a red flag.
jordan holmes
I gotta be honest.
dan friesen
That's why I drank so much.
I was freaked out.
If Alex said that, I would believe it.
jordan holmes
I would buy it.
dan friesen
If Alex was like, look, I'll be honest with you.
I was not used to being around such scary people.
And it led to me binge drinking.
That's why I passed out before my headlining speech.
I would immediately be like...
That's self-effacing.
That's probably not something you're making up.
jordan holmes
I buy it.
dan friesen
I wouldn't believe that it was true, but I believe that it was his experience.
That's a good call.
So anyway, he's not done.
It turns out one of the people that Millie is talking to may be involved in that CPAC, probably not, but is a John Brennan defector.
alex jones
And they were like, well, we're working with Flynn's people, but we're also working with people that have defected from Brennan.
And they're telling us all this stuff.
And I said, I don't think that's the case.
And some of the stuff they told me that Brennan's people said about me and others through ShadowNet was not true.
dan friesen
Some of these people have been lying to her about me.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So here's the thing.
This is Patrick Berge.
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
100% Patrick Berge saying that I'm full of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we can sort of tell that from Berge's video that he also put out over the weekend.
unidentified
If you don't suspect the timing, hell, if Alex Jones, the biggest fucking conspiracy theorist on the planet, doesn't see this as an issue...
Well, he's fucking as dirty as I thought he was.
Galvin and Millie assured me that he was.
That he was a straight-up guy.
We were concerned about people possibly around him.
But they said he was a straight-up guy.
Infowars was going to do the right thing with this.
dan friesen
So, so clearly...
jordan holmes
Millie, Alex isn't your friend.
Nope.
He will cut and run as soon as he can.
dan friesen
So clearly, what's going on here is that Patrick Berge had expressed concerns about Alex to Millie.
jordan holmes
She vouched for him.
dan friesen
And Millie, I guess this somehow got back to Alex, probably through Millie.
And Alex has taken this to be, he is a John Brennan defector that she's talking to, but this doesn't make sense because he's from the Jim Jones, the James Jones wing.
He was a contractor for Dynology, which is the Other side of the conspiracy.
Tori is the one who supposedly was working for Brennan.
jordan holmes
No one can get your lies straight.
dan friesen
Yes, it's all convoluted.
But I am pretty sure that Bergie's the one who was talking shit about Alex.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
And Alex, like, they were saying things that aren't true about me.
jordan holmes
So mean to me.
dan friesen
Alex, I don't think, is thrilled that he had this dude on his show.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
He is not happy about it.
jordan holmes
He didn't want him on in the...
In the first place.
He could have been on a Wednesday or Thursday when he tried to keep him off the show.
dan friesen
The standards are so low for getting on Infowars.
jordan holmes
And Bergy's below them.
dan friesen
Yes.
So there's a 90% chance that Millie got arrested because of this video.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And pray for her family and for the truth to come out.
And realize that the film, if that is why they did this, it probably is connected to the other.
that's a safe bet to say probably 90%, might not be, but I think it is.
He's at YouTube for now, they'll probably ban it, but it's also at Bandai Video.
dan friesen
Well, Alex said that he wasn't going to post it unless he watched it, so I guess he's watched it by Saturday.
jordan holmes
He doesn't seem too terrified to post it to band.tv.
For somebody who said she's into some real secret shit, some real cloak and dagger shit, and I don't deal with anything like that, to then suddenly put it on his website would kind of suggest...
dan friesen
That either he's seen that there's some traffic he could get from it, or he's watched it, and he's like, hell yeah.
That seems weird to me, though, because...
Roger Stone does take a couple hits in that documentary.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, he does.
dan friesen
And Alex will later be very mad about that, but he's not mad about that on Saturday.
jordan holmes
Would someone figure out what you're doing?
dan friesen
Alex hasn't watched it by Saturday, or else he would be complaining about Roger Stone shit.
jordan holmes
For sure.
Get your shit together!
Everybody get your house in order!
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex signs off on Saturday.
This is probably about the movie.
alex jones
Think about Millie Weaver.
She's in jail right now for the film she put out, probably.
unidentified
And think about that reality.
alex jones
And again, pray for her and ask who's next.
Because when the deep state gets rid of Trump, if they're able to, can you borrow the door, folks?
It's going to be crazy.
All right, I'm done talking.
I've done my work today.
dan friesen
I love that timing.
Like, that is amazing delivery.
jordan holmes
That really is good.
dan friesen
Yep.
You gotta pray for Millie.
She's in jail for making a great documentary, probably.
jordan holmes
That's some Kevin Nealon shit right there.
dan friesen
Mr. Subliminal.
Yeah.
Real good.
Real good.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, we get to Sunday's show now.
August 16th.
And on Saturday, Alex also did his protest at the Greenbelt.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He's busy.
I saw some footage of this, and I will say...
It was an okay turnout.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Not huge.
But, you know, there were some people there.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Did they take back the park?
What was it?
Did they all get in?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
I didn't watch a ton of footage of it, but I did see some pictures of people swimming.
unidentified
So I think they were swimming.
dan friesen
And I also, on Alex's show on Sunday, he does play a little sizzle reel.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he does scream, we're coming back next week and I'm bringing a food truck!
So I think Alex is going to spin this off into forest raves.
jordan holmes
We're going to protest this!
unidentified
And then when they get there, they're like, ah, you better let us in!
jordan holmes
And the guy's like, I mean, yeah, go ahead.
And they're like...
Well, then we'll have a picnic, I guess!
dan friesen
It seems like this could turn into a series of outdoor...
It'll run out of steam really quick, but anyway...
jordan holmes
This is not Occupy Wall Street.
dan friesen
Not all is well in Paradise.
As Alex starts off the Sunday show giving a little bit of an apology about that rally.
alex jones
You know, I thought to go to that part of the park where they denied my wife and myself and others, but I wasn't thinking, hey, it's 105 degrees.
And it's a good walk down to it.
Barton Springs, it's a 100-yard walk.
So everybody said it was a great success, but I apologize to the few people that collapsed from heat exhaustion.
unidentified
But it was still a big success.
Oh, no.
alex jones
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Hey, look.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
They can't do anything.
dan friesen
We all had a good time, but I'd like to apologize about the couple of, the few people, the big, the group of people.
Collapsed from heat exhaustion.
jordan holmes
Just to let everybody know, it wasn't my idea to spike the punch.
Look, it was a good day.
Everybody said they had a great time.
dan friesen
Obviously, it's not Alex's fault that people would have heat exhaustion.
I think you have a responsibility to understand your own hydration and that, but it is...
Very funny to hear, Alex, be like, this event was a success, now apologies that some of you passed out from meat exhaustion.
jordan holmes
That's a PTA thing to say.
That is a thing that you say after a successful bake sale that went on too long in front of the Walmart and you lost one of your kids.
dan friesen
Very strange.
So Alex, now, it's been days, so he has, you know, you'd think a responsibility to have...
A lot of the facts of the story correct.
jordan holmes
Or at least have watched the entire documentary.
dan friesen
I think he might have.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he's mad now.
But he also has some of the facts wrong about Millie's arrest.
alex jones
I'm lifting weights.
This is a little gym here in the office.
They're like 8.30 in the morning.
I get done.
Come over and start doing the preparation for the show.
Right before I go live, they go, Millie Weaver has been arrested with her husband and Gab and her husband's brother at their house in Ohio.
dan friesen
It's not Gavin's brother.
It's Millie's brother.
That is just a factual inaccuracy in his reporting.
And he says it a couple times.
I don't think there's any purpose or malice behind it.
jordan holmes
It was just misspeaking because of ignorance.
dan friesen
I don't see any reason why it would be a cover-up of something.
He doesn't know the details of the story that is very close to him.
You would think.
jordan holmes
It would be hard not to know those details.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Kind of really gives you a picture of a guy who's just like, I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Skimmed it!
dan friesen
I don't care at all!
jordan holmes
I flipped a few pages.
We're moving on.
dan friesen
I went to Barton Springs.
Or I went to the Green Belt.
We drank some beers.
Next week, I'm bringing a fucking food truck.
And I don't care if Millie's into some secret shit.
She's not going to get in the way of my block party.
jordan holmes
A week after that, we're getting a bounce house!
dan friesen
Fuck Trump.
unidentified
I love to party.
jordan holmes
That would be a great turn.
That would be a great turn.
That would be a legendary turn.
dan friesen
If Alex turned...
It's just like, alright, alright.
Fuck politics.
No more politics.
Here's how we're going to beat the Globus.
We're going to start a fraternity at the Greenbelt.
jordan holmes
My next guest coming up is exemplifying the turn of our show.
Andrew WK, get on out of here!
dan friesen
And after him, our next guest is going to be this dude who did a keg stand for like four minutes down at Barton Springs.
He is so cool.
Call him Moose.
jordan holmes
Look, I don't know what the third guy's name is, but he's the one who brings his E, and usually he's a dick until you take that E, baby.
dan friesen
Yeah, so put up with him for a little bit.
It's just a convenience thing.
jordan holmes
Take a little time.
unidentified
Look, look.
dan friesen
Show's gonna drag for a bit.
God damn it.
I would love it.
jordan holmes
Turn it into Info Wars Info Party, baby.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Party Wars.
dan friesen
That'd be a better show.
jordan holmes
That'd be great.
dan friesen
So, at this point, on the 16th, I think Alex is punting.
unidentified
I think Alex has decided, like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
We are no longer afraid that you might have actually done something.
No, we're good.
dan friesen
Alex has seen the documentary, and I think he's like, I think she beat up her mom.
I think she beat up her mom.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
That'd be funny if he said that.
I wish he'd said it.
dan friesen
Not in so many words, but here's where he's at on Sunday.
alex jones
Here's the question.
Was she arrested for anything to do with the film Shadowgate?
And I think the answer is probably not.
But that is...
What is going to end up always being thought about this because of the timing and the coincidence, and so if they were trying to suppress this film, it had the opposite effect.
dan friesen
No shit.
But Alex is still on the angle of it being a little bit like there's possibly a conspiracy of trumping up an existing charge.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So there's still some angles he's working, and he's not cutting her loose, but he's definitely kind of...
I think he's mad at Bergie, first of all.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
That might be coloring our direction here.
dan friesen
And he's just like, I don't know.
This documentary's not getting anybody arrested.
I don't have the energy to play that game.
jordan holmes
I would feel so personally betrayed by that.
dan friesen
If you were Millie?
jordan holmes
He's made more elaborate conspiracies out of less and stuck to them in the face of overwhelming evidence.
And you can't even come up with a half-assed bullshit from Millie.
unidentified
You're just like, she probably did it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, it's got to...
I feel like it's got to feel shitty.
And the same thing with promoting her GoFundMe.
Because the premise of the GoFundMe was she's arrested, she's a journalist, and the games you're playing are that she was arrested because of some intrepid journalism.
If then it comes out that no, she was arrested because of a domestic violence incident that she and two other people enacted upon her mother, it becomes a thing where it's like...
Wait, I thought I was supporting independent journalism.
I just paid $100 to help out someone who beat up their mom.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that feels bad.
And for Alex, I think, like, he doesn't have any need to do this.
jordan holmes
I think it feels bad for him to give her money.
dan friesen
Well, there's no money in it for him.
Like, this documentary, like, I don't think it's, like, I think he realizes also, like, hey, when Project Veritas puts out something, it's all over Twitter.
It trends like crazy.
This didn't move the needle that much.
People are not that upset.
jordan holmes
And there was an arrest, which is like the ultimate InfoWars move the needle kind of feel, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think a lot of people sort of got a sense of like, there's probably a reason this arrest happened.
So, look, man.
unidentified
Look.
dan friesen
Look.
Documentary's good.
jordan holmes
Are we still on It's the Gate of All Gates?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think we are.
I don't think we are here.
dan friesen
The documentary is...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, that being said, Patrick Berge is full of shit.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And overall, I mean, I think it covers real government things that go on and some of the way the propaganda systems operate.
But I know Roger Stone gave me a call this morning because he's in it.
And he's like, I never met General Jones and Paul Manafort.
I haven't worked with him in over 20 plus years.
He's my friend.
Roger Stone's not involved running the secret internet control police.
I can assure you he's a target of the deep state.
But that's what one of the people interviewed said.
I had the fella in here because he came to town, I guess, for the release of this.
I didn't know it would be released that day.
I didn't know he'd come knocking on our door.
A lot of weird stuff going on.
jordan holmes
You did already know.
alex jones
He's in here during the break and on air saying, well, I think Roger runs everything.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Roger runs everything.
I sure wish he could make a Skype work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We know.
jordan holmes
A lot of problems with Skype.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I mean, like, from the documentary, Bergie's point wasn't that Roger was running everything.
But that's why Alex is saying stuff like he said during the breaks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because I can't confirm or deny that at all.
But it is kind of a misrepresentation of what was going on in the documentary.
But apparently Roger called him that morning and was furious.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
So now Alex has another...
jordan holmes
How dare you share this documentary that denigrates my good name, sir?
dan friesen
Alex has another balancing act that he has to pull off now, which is like, alright, documentary is about the media being controlled by the shadowy globalist forces.
I like that.
I like that.
I don't want to be against that.
But this guy, Patrick Berkey...
jordan holmes
He's a dick.
dan friesen
He's a dick.
jordan holmes
I don't like him.
dan friesen
I don't like him.
And he's talking shit about my guy, Roger.
jordan holmes
My personal and professional lives are coming together in a way that is so usual for me.
dan friesen
So what I'm gonna say is this documentary's good, but this guy they talked to is an asshole.
jordan holmes
Functionally half of the documentary.
dan friesen
I would argue for maybe more than half, because he's the guy who claims that he invented the technology that's behind everything.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So like, in terms of people who have, like, Both him and Tori are central figures in the documentary, but I feel even more so about Patrick that if you knock out that tentpole, this whole thing comes down.
I think either of them, you get rid of whatever they're bringing to the table, the thing doesn't stand.
But I think he's closer to a keystone than Tori.
And they're both.
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
And they're both dicks.
dan friesen
It's wild for me to hear Alex be like, yes, the central focus of this documentary is a lying piece of shit.
But the documentary is pretty good.
jordan holmes
Right.
So you know how Millie talks very seriously and earnestly and agrees with everything that the...
Giant piece of shit says, I don't worry about that, that my apparently independent contractor who I've never met before, probably, is okay with all of this?
dan friesen
Yeah, and she thinks he's great, and I, look, this guy's an asshole, and I can, man, Alex seems like he got fucked.
Like, he got burned.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he doesn't like that.
dan friesen
I rarely, I don't know if I can think of the last time I've sensed this vibe from him of like, I got fucked.
People fucked me.
alex jones
And we just bring guests in and say, hey, say whatever you want.
Well, you run the New World Order, Alex.
Okay, great.
Thanks a lot.
Oh, and I'm going to post the film.
We're the bad guys.
I mean, it's just next level.
But that's what happens in this whole Q-verse is Trump can't be trusted.
Roger Stone can't be trusted.
Alex Jones can't be trusted.
Anybody off the street wearing a Trump jacket, whoa.
Whoa.
Okay, all right.
Trump's bad now, too, right?
I mean, Robert Mueller's good and all this other stuff's good, but the actual New World Order, the actual globalist operation, it's not a problem.
But anyways, that is a distraction.
Can't wait to get Millie out of jail.
dan friesen
She is mad.
jordan holmes
That was a good turn.
That was a good save right there at the end.
I can't wait to get Millie out of here.
dan friesen
The Trump jacket thing is a reference to the jacket that Patrick Berge wears all the time.
The vest.
The leather vest that says Trump's bikers for Trump.
jordan holmes
So petty.
dan friesen
He's not thrilled about that vest.
That's great.
So yeah, he's decided that Berge is just like QAnon type shit.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He doesn't like me, so he's Q. I don't like anybody.
dan friesen
Right.
So Alex has Roger on.
Because Roger called him mad that morning.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And also because Trump's brother died, and Roger knew him.
And so Roger says some nice things about Trump's brother, and I'm not going to even touch any of that.
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But we do learn a few things from this.
alex jones
Because you've gone through a lot, Roger.
Trump's gone through a lot.
I think it's fair to say the only person who's probably gone through as much as Trump, or more has been you.
I guess Seth Rich got killed, so I guess he paid more.
There's been a lot of people paying in blood, sweat, and tears.
I know we're happy to do it.
dan friesen
Interesting, Alex.
Interesting.
jordan holmes
That's a weird undercutting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody's paid as much as you.
I mean, Seth Rich got murdered, but...
dan friesen
I know that Alex was soft, paddling backwards.
Yeah.
Back into Seth Rich conspiracies.
But I'd not heard him fully commit.
And so, like, this is kind of interesting to me.
Because now, that indicates to me that the editorial position just sort of passively...
jordan holmes
We're back on Seth Rich was murder.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
By Hillary, of course.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So, that's interesting.
Great.
jordan holmes
You don't think that they would just actually not think that.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
You know, they just say they don't think that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
For convenience.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, look.
Patrick Berge's a liar.
But that's done a slight against the movie.
alex jones
All right, folks.
So, Friday, Millie Weaver's like, hey, I want you to get this guy in studio that's in my film.
I hadn't seen her film called Shadowgate.
She's a...
I sponsor them.
So, when I say they're a contractor, I'm not distancing myself from them.
They do their own thing.
jordan holmes
You are absolutely...
alex jones
I talk to Millie once a week, or she sends me an article.
I send her articles.
I'd like her to tweet out.
And I think she does a great job.
I like Millie.
I've known Millie eight years.
Then they put on the movie Shadowgate that I don't know about until she's been arrested and charged with family violence and destroying a cell phone, which is way overblown.
So then it looks like, oh my God, they're trying to cover up what's happened with their film.
And then the last thing she said is, this guy's in town, he's in my film, he wants to be on.
So the guy's at the door, he comes in, and he goes, yeah.
And so I've got him here in studio, and I go, okay, who runs it?
And during the break, he goes, Roger Stone.
I go, sorry, Roger Stone can't hardly make his Skype work.
Now, I like Roger, but he's about as technical as I am.
Well, he works with Manafort and General Jones.
I go, he hadn't worked for Manafort in 20-plus years.
I said, I know.
I was trying to get him to get Manafort on during the campaign.
He said, well, I talked to him once in a while.
We're still friends, but I haven't done business with him in decades.
So we're not attacking the film, and I want to get her out of jail.
And we got Tori, who's her friend in the film, very nice lady, who's been on before and exposed election fraud in Kentucky.
We're going to have him on.
But, you know, when you're in a film and the guy's there, he goes, yeah, your partner, Roger Stone, he runs it all.
So, Roger, you hadn't let me in on the secret here.
But then I said this morning, talking to some of these folks, I said, I want to see him with General Jones.
I want to see him with Hayden.
I want to see him running Shadow Net.
It's not true.
So we're not attacking the film.
It's a small part of it.
dan friesen
It's not.
I mean, the actual Roger Stone part is small.
But if you're attacking the essential credibility...
Of one of the main people in the...
And see, this is why Alex Jones is really weird.
Because I can see what his thought process is.
And it's like, okay, yes, this Patrick Berge guy is clearly lying about my friend Roger Stone and saying that he's involved and possibly in charge of this gigantic conspiracy.
And hey, that's a lie.
But the rest of the stuff he's saying is probably...
alex jones
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
He's just got the end person wrong.
He doesn't realize that it's still the Council of Twelve.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Of which Bill Gates is a member.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex doesn't see people...
It's almost like looking at every single thing as completely unattached to other things.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The lying about Roger doesn't implicate the truth or the credibility that you should approach other statements with.
jordan holmes
His lies are a la carte.
Why wouldn't Patrick Berge's lies be a la carte?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
I'm annoyed every time he does the I know I'm lying denial.
I'm not trying to distance myself from her.
Yes, you are!
You know you are because you just said you not!
dan friesen
I'm not bragging, but...
jordan holmes
Stop it!
I'm so annoyed at that.
dan friesen
It's very reflexive.
One of the things that I think is pretty interesting is I noticed Roger doesn't seem to be trying to solicit donations.
On this episode, which is interesting because this is Sunday, and on Monday, Roger dropped his appeal.
jordan holmes
No, he did not.
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
That doesn't come up, by the way, also.
jordan holmes
Why would it?
dan friesen
Why would it?
jordan holmes
It never happened in the first place.
dan friesen
No, but on previous episodes, and in the Shadowgate documentary...
It's discussed how Roger Stone's appeal is going to be the thing that brings down the deep state.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Because Roger was so clearly and so obviously wrongly tried that it would be the easiest thing in the world for them to appeal this case.
It was going to go through.
It was going to expose everybody.
And hell or high water.
Nothing was going to stop Roger.
jordan holmes
No, and I'm sure that the dropping of the appeal had nothing to do with what happened on Tuesday when the Senate Intel report was released, which gave so many more instances of Roger Stone in contact with Russian apparatchiks, if you will.
I mean, why would you?
Like, the appeal would have done it short.
Today, there's a lot more evidence even further against him that might increase the sentencing.
dan friesen
I didn't see this today.
I haven't kept up with the news as I was getting ready for this episode.
jordan holmes
No, and it's kind of to the point where the evidence looks as though if you wanted to, you might be able to bring a new charge against Stone.
I'm going to drop that appeal.
Send him back to present.
dan friesen
Very suspicious.
Very strange.
If I were Alex, I would be so conflicted right now.
Because on the one hand, I got this Millie situation where I'm getting screwed.
jordan holmes
Birgie sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, one of the people in her documentary is trying to use me.
jordan holmes
He's making me feel bad.
dan friesen
He's trying to fleece me.
jordan holmes
And I can't just get rid of him because he's attached to Millie.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can't completely burn him without attacking this documentary that I like the point of and I'm trying to get my employee who's not my employee out of prison.
jordan holmes
Never met her before.
dan friesen
Oh, this is complicated.
Now, at the same time, I've been saying that Roger Stone is going to be vindicated and that's why Trump needs to commute his sentence.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Not because he's totally guilty.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
We don't want him in prison because he's very effective as a propagandist to try and get Trump re-elected.
But because he was wrongly sentenced to prison for Trump, look, he doesn't need to pardon him.
He just needs to commute the sentence so he doesn't die in prison so he can get the appeal.
Now the appeal's dropped.
What the fuck?
This makes Alex look like a huge asshole.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Just because he's beset on all sides by people he previously trusted to be competent incorrectly.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
All of them are competent in their own ways.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
Millie's whole thing would be totally fine if she didn't beat up her mom.
That whole thing would be going fine.
That's not a competency issue.
That's like an alleged...
A crime issue.
unidentified
You know what this is?
jordan holmes
This is like a heist movie where Alex is playing the ocean part and then Millie is one of the bumbling idiots who, in the middle of a heist, makes a huge mistake and they're like, oh, that's gonna come back on us!
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
You know what I think they need?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Remember that software that was in Shadowgate?
jordan holmes
Oh, that would be really helpful.
dan friesen
It's about hiring better people.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I wonder if he's in touch with somebody who can help him out with that.
dan friesen
Yeah, this seems like a human resources problem.
Got some bad hires.
jordan holmes
Why isn't he throwing his dad under the bus?
dan friesen
I would at this point.
Seriously.
Oh, man.
But if I were him, I would be pretty fucking pissed off at just about everybody.
jordan holmes
I would take a vacation.
dan friesen
You know what I would do?
I would start throwing weekly parties at the Greenbelt.
unidentified
I would straight up check out.
dan friesen
Bucket.
All this stuff wasn't real to begin with, so let's party.
Let's throw a party!
So now, at this point on Sunday...
Alex has to kind of figure out a way to thread the needle.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's like, okay.
She didn't get arrested because of anything in the documentary, but she did get arrested.
Patrick Berge was in Austin, which is fucking weird.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He showed up.
He is a dick.
unidentified
Way.
jordan holmes
Way a dick.
dan friesen
You know what?
unidentified
I think this is a PSYOP against me.
alex jones
She's trying to come on the show Friday.
She gets arrested in Ohio.
The police are very unprofessional.
They don't even know who they're arresting.
People think that's fake.
They think I staged it for a film I have not seen, I don't own, I'm not part of.
Again, then they go, hey, there's a guy at the door that's in it.
Wow, at my door.
He comes in.
I go, okay, I guess if you know what's going on, I'll have you on.
And I learned Roger Stone is the kingpin.
So I've never had something make me think I'm in an alternate dimension like this.
This has done it.
Millie's a good person, a good mom.
Okay.
She's got two children.
They went.
They grabbed her.
The CPS is trying to take her kids at 10 a.m. tomorrow.
They've got an arraignment at 11 a.m. over an argument with her mom and a broken cell phone three months ago, and her mom admits that.
So I don't know why they're grabbing him and doing this other than they may have been conned by the deep state.
They kept trying to, like, they wouldn't release it.
They said, you've got to have this guy in your office first.
You've got to have this guy in your office first.
As soon as he gets in, we'll show you the film.
And then we get him in here.
We're like, okay.
And it's like, Roger Stone!
Roger Stone!
And I'm not saying the police were part of this to hype it up.
I just don't know.
Because maybe it's a coincidence.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So now Alex is presenting it as...
We weren't going to release the film until Bergie was there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it's a setup for him to be like, it's all about Roger.
unidentified
Ha ha.
jordan holmes
I just can't believe that this would come back to being entirely about him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
I understand why you would think that because it does sound that way.
It's not all about Alex.
unidentified
That's fair.
dan friesen
It's mostly about Roger.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that's also about Alex also.
Yes, of course.
I do like the idea that Alex is like, I fucking got screwed on this.
jordan holmes
This is probably about me.
dan friesen
I got screwed.
It's a really interesting character style for Alex.
The guy who just got conned.
jordan holmes
The actual victim is confused on how to play the victim.
dan friesen
Yeah, because there's some pride involved.
There's some confusion.
jordan holmes
I didn't get conned.
dan friesen
I think Alex is totally fine.
jordan holmes
I think I got conned.
dan friesen
I think I got chumped.
alex jones
Look at what Trump said about me.
Your reputation is amazing.
I will not let you or your audience down.
jordan holmes
He was kind of you.
alex jones
I came on because of Roger Stone.
I trust Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
He's kind of you.
alex jones
I know you're both doing a great job.
We have the president's endorsement, but we're not trustworthy according to the internet operation that's run by the deep state to discredit us because they know our message is key with swing state voters.
That's why we're targeted continually.
As supposedly, to the point of, I'm sponsoring content that I get people total freedom on, and then I wake up and we're the bad guys in it.
I mean, I've been totally chumped.
And I'll admit it.
I mean, I've got to really think about this.
I want Millie to get out of jail.
I want all this to, I want to understand.
But I think whoever ran this did do all this and did get her arrested right when this operation was happening to give this full push against you, buddy.
They really don't like you.
dan friesen
They're talking to Roger.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is interesting to see how this sort of rationalization happens on the fly, you know?
jordan holmes
I don't like him understanding that he's getting conned.
I don't like it.
I don't like it.
He's getting conned by so many people all the time.
dan friesen
But he's conning himself now.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
Well, yes.
jordan holmes
He's got to convince himself that this is...
dan friesen
Because it's elaborate.
It's not just you hang out with...
Fucking dicey weirdos.
You have no standard of who you'll trust as experts or employees or contractors, and this is what happens.
Sometimes you end up with some rogue actors slipping through.
Somebody like Millie is dumb enough to listen to one of these people and they soak chaos in your operation.
It has nothing to do with it.
But Alex has to understand it as like, no, it's a secret globalist plot.
jordan holmes
I didn't get chumped by Millie.
I got chumped by the deep state.
dan friesen
And he didn't get chumped by Millie.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's just circumstances.
jordan holmes
It's how it worked out.
dan friesen
If she was better at her job, she would have known not to listen to these people.
Red flags would have gone up when she realized she couldn't verify things.
jordan holmes
If you were a real journalist, you would have watched the documentary that you sponsored and gave them free editorial control over.
dan friesen
You would think.
jordan holmes
Before you put it out, because you were the sponsor of it and you wanted to make sure it was up to your standards.
Or you don't have any standards and just drop it on the floor.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Who gives a shit?
So Alex really has to clarify.
This is a very interesting sort of clarification.
And that is, again, just because one of the people in this documentary is an asshole, it doesn't mean it's not awesome.
alex jones
I'm your host, Alex Jones, and I want to be 100% clear.
The fact that I was with Roger Stone earlier criticizing one of the people in the excellent film that Millie Weaver has put out has nothing to do with Millie Weaver, nothing to do with somebody in the film we disagree with.
Overall, I think the film is a great film, Shadowgate.
And I'm sad she got arrested with her husband and her husband's brother in Ohio on what we believe are overblown fake charges.
Her mother's come out who was the original complainant and said that they're basically overblown charges.
dan friesen
Again, he's got the brother thing wrong.
I don't understand how you can be like, Half of the information flow in this documentary is a dick, a liar, someone I don't trust at all.
Documentary's good.
I don't understand that.
jordan holmes
Do you think if somebody were to watch one of Alex's documentaries and pick out a talking head, just one, of many talking heads that he's had in that documentary, and attack them for being a liar, do you think Alex would be like...
You know, I think, you know, that's just one thing.
I'm sure he still thinks the documentary is good.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
I don't think there are many documentaries of him that he's done that only have one asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, it's fair.
dan friesen
Also, from what I've seen, the thing that he's talking about with Millie's mom coming out and saying that she wanted the charges dropped.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There was apparently somebody who had Millie's mom as a screen name who left like a YouTube comment that said that.
There's no verification that it was actually her mom.
jordan holmes
It is that fast how the internet works, isn't it?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it could be her mom.
jordan holmes
Sure, it could be.
dan friesen
It could be, or it could be a...
I have no idea.
I don't think that's been confirmed or any...
I haven't seen any comment from her mom at all.
jordan holmes
Do, like, the cops accept YouTube comments as calls to drop charges?
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
But Alex apparently has taken that as, like, fully confirmed gospel, and that's also not good.
jordan holmes
If it were me...
I would say my handle would not be the ownership of the parenthood towards the person that just beat the shit out of me.
dan friesen
I think if I were Alex, I would probably have cut bait.
jordan holmes
You've already said that you don't even know her.
dan friesen
Once you're already embarking down the road of she's just a contractor, she does work, I pay her sometimes.
Like, why even muddy the waters?
Why even try to salvage something here?
jordan holmes
I think he's getting into the sunk cost fallacy, you know?
He has no cost sunk!
Yeah, but eight years, he's built her up as a part, I guess.
dan friesen
Not an employee, of course.
I think that she probably might have some embarrassing things to say.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's certainly true.
dan friesen
And I don't know if the NDA is as strong with contractors.
jordan holmes
Well, as we've seen about how she allegedly...
I wouldn't expect her to keep her mouth shut.
dan friesen
Millie and Gavin might come in and take his phone.
jordan holmes
They are rogue actors.
dan friesen
So Alex has to process all the information that's going on in his life, and obviously it's a whole lot.
There's only one conclusion you can come to.
alex jones
So I think Millie's a great person, but I think there's a psyop at the core of this.
So we'll talk about it.
It's definitely a brain teaser here.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a brain teaser.
jordan holmes
Is she out?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think she is.
jordan holmes
I'm looking forward to...
dan friesen
No, she is.
She got released on her own recognizance.
She might have been on Alex's show on Monday.
I haven't listened to it.
I've just listened to it.
Going over the documentary put me a bit behind on watching this dumb shit.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And I was laughing too hard listening to Friday, Saturday, and Sunday of Alex's show.
Yeah.
God damn, it's funny.
So, at this point on Sunday, Alex has Tori on.
jordan holmes
This has been a whirlwind of a weekend.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
unidentified
We've gone a lot of places in a short span of time.
dan friesen
I will say, it's in many ways recharged my batteries about Alex and this show, but it's also really drained my batteries, too.
It's this weird balancing act of I'm tired as hell, but I really enjoy...
unidentified
Before, you're just like, this is racist, this is racist.
jordan holmes
Now you're like...
Apparently, Millie beat up her mom!
dan friesen
I don't know!
And Alex is trying to say it's a psy-off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
And Alex invited this weirdo to his studio, and now he's blaming...
jordan holmes
That's a good weekend.
dan friesen
What fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, he has Tori in studio, or on the phone, excuse me, now, and we've already heard from Alex that the documentary was supposed to come out...
On Thursday and on Wednesday.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And we've heard from Patrick Berge that it was supposed to come out the future Monday.
jordan holmes
The following Monday, yes.
dan friesen
And so now Tory has another story.
alex jones
I can't put the pieces together, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
They're making a film.
I don't know about it.
They don't want to release it until a guy comes to my office.
The film gets released.
They're arrested.
A dude's in my office saying Roger Stone masterminds everything with no proof.
That's the only reason I bring that in is I want...
This is bizarre.
I mean, I can't even begin to figure this out.
tore lindeman
It is very bizarre.
Here's what's even more bizarre.
So I spoke with Gavin on the telephone today, and what he confirmed to me shocked me.
On July 20th is the date, because he got the documents.
You know, Gavin's all about paperwork.
It was July 20th.
July 20th, the grand jury returned an indictment.
Now, something that people don't know is that July 20th was the original release date, but unfortunately the file was corrupt.
dan friesen
Dun-dun!
Alright.
Wow.
jordan holmes
For somebody who, I think a little bit like Alex, is struggling to figure out what they think is going on, her adding a completely new element to this is going to make it very easy, I think.
dan friesen
I think Alex is still struggling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think so too.
dan friesen
The content of the documentary and the pointing the finger at John Brennan and being like, oh yeah, all the media is all lies.
All that is so good for him.
And he likes it, but he also fucking hates Patrick Berge.
alex jones
Tori is a lady that does a show with Millie Weaver who was arrested right as she was releasing an online documentary, Shadowgate, which I think overall is a good film.
It has a guess that it postulates something with no evidence it's not true.
jordan holmes
Okay, here's my pitch to you.
Here's where everybody has gone wrong with Alex.
They think lawyers and shit like that are going to keep him in line.
Do you know what you should have done?
Do you know what you do?
You trick Alex.
So you want to avoid him doing the Sandy Hook stuff.
Guess what you do?
You find somebody who's a conspiracy theorist, you pay them to be petty and annoying towards Alex, and he'll be like, Sandy Hook conspiracy bullshit is a lie!
I hate it!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
You have to make it personal so he takes it personal.
unidentified
Exactly!
jordan holmes
You could manipulate him into doing whatever you want.
dan friesen
You have an interesting idea, but I think this is actually evidence of the contrary.
Because he's still saying the film is good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he is still on that tip.
dan friesen
But fuck that guy!
So maybe not.
Maybe that wouldn't work at all.
Maybe he has such a...
jordan holmes
Damn it!
He's so...
Fucking stupid.
dan friesen
So Alex suggests that the film was released after the arrest intentionally.
And I think that's true.
alex jones
There was an arrest.
Like I told you on Friday, it wasn't made up to promote a film.
Oh, Jones is doing this to promote a film.
No, that's not what was going on.
I think the film was done for a while.
They were just waiting and kept tinkering with it.
So I think the arrest finally got it out.
That's really what happened.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would say that maybe the film was done for a while, and then this was the best opportune moment for them to release it, because then everyone's going to suggest that it was because of this arrest.
Oh, isn't that fun?
jordan holmes
They must have been, a little bit of them was like, ooh, this is an opportunity for us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
There still could be a whole lot of coincidences going on, because I find it hard to believe, without any evidence, that ahead of time they would know the date that they were going to come execute this warrant.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because Patrick Berge being in Austin, if you imagine that that was part of a setup, that is too much for me to believe.
There's some coincidences mixed in with a clear opportunism.
jordan holmes
Totally, yeah.
My general vibe on this is...
I think Alex is probably telling the truth in this case, because he has no idea.
Yeah, he has no idea, and he's trying to distance himself all at the same time, supporting them, and so he's in a weird, like, might as well tell the truth mode.
I don't know what's happening.
And so it would make sense to me that they had finished it.
And they were just tinkering around with it.
dan friesen
I think that's generous.
I think they were sitting on it.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Tinkering around with it.
jordan holmes
The way that he said that disdainfully, too.
dan friesen
They were just tinkering around with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Things suck.
jordan holmes
Editing, maybe.
I don't know.
But yeah, then they get arrested and somebody, a few hours later, they're like, this is the best possible time to do this.
So drop it.
dan friesen
So Tori, she knows, I mean, there's been an arrest, and so we've got to deal with that.
It turns out you can get arrested for anything.
Anybody can have anyone arrested at any time.
tore lindeman
Through one person's words.
So, Alex, if I want to, I can go down to my local police, say whatever I want about you, and they'll get a secret grand jury indictment with no understanding how black people feel.
alex jones
But our mother said that she's a public statement.
That she said drop the charges.
They got in a fight and our cell phone broke three months ago?
I mean...
tore lindeman
It wasn't even a fight.
It was the second time they caught her recording, you know, documents they had out and serial numbers and computers and logs.
That's what she would do.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't keep that stuff out.
unidentified
You know what I love about that?
dan friesen
I love two things.
jordan holmes
Let's have a party!
dan friesen
I love two things about that.
The first is Alex's just, like, the response is hilarious.
jordan holmes
Crazy!
dan friesen
And the second thing is, that's the response to Tori saying something that he himself said in that video he put out on Saturday.
unidentified
He shouldn't be surprised by that information.
dan friesen
That's weird.
That's very weird.
So, Tori has a new detail here about the arrest.
jordan holmes
Okay, add something.
dan friesen
I don't know why this wasn't in the video, or no one brought this up at all, but apparently...
tore lindeman
And not only that...
The power was cut from the house.
So thank God, you know, I was writing, Gavin, hey, I'm going on air.
I want you to click send.
Show me where it's at on the send through our seed network.
And he showed it to me, and that was it.
And it was at 60%, and I was happy.
Ten minutes later, they were arrested.
Their power was cut.
The power was...
So there's a lot more...
alex jones
Okay, that's huge.
The power was cut.
So this isn't about just arresting people.
And they know there's going to be media.
That's why the cops were being nice.
They cut the power.
That's huge.
dan friesen
That's huge.
jordan holmes
What's their evidence for the power being cut?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
Tory has said it.
jordan holmes
It stopped uploading?
No, it clearly didn't.
dan friesen
Because she got the...
jordan holmes
It stopped uploading.
Because the power was cut.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But that's how easy it is to convince Alex of something.
jordan holmes
Not hard.
dan friesen
Now, this is my favorite thing from Tori's appearance.
The two of them, she's able to smooth over Alex a little bit on the Roger Stone stuff by her saying, like, I love Roger.
He's great.
And she's trying to explain to Alex that that's, like, his whole version of it, like...
Bergie says that Roger's masterminding everything.
She's trying to explain to him, like, that's not what he said in the documentary.
Alex is kind of...
It's a confusing back and forth between them.
But she's able to make everything fine by being like, I think Roger's the best.
jordan holmes
That's all it takes.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
All right.
Cool.
We're good.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
And Alex...
Alex doesn't quite like what she has to say.
This is really interesting.
tore lindeman
We can disagree on this.
Julian Assange is not in the same boat as Snowden.
Snowden actually created that twin stream so that they can stream out everybody's information over to Europe to these private companies.
The only reason he whistled blue is because he realized just how disposable he was.
alex jones
I think Snowden is not a pure creature.
As Assange, I mean, I hear what you're saying, but I'm not in the camp of Snowden.
tore lindeman
He should get immunity if he blows the whistle and says that Obama put him there because that's exactly who directed this.
Let's be clear.
Okay?
Because those of us that know, know.
And I've received communications from people that are still within agencies saying, whoa, I can't believe you did this.
So this is why when they were asking President Trump, oh, what do you think about Snowden?
And he said, I don't know.
Some people are saying this.
Some people, we don't know.
The thing is, maybe we can give him immunity to talk and point the fingers because he was registered.
Unlike Snowden, myself or Berge do not get afforded any whistleblower protections.
He does.
He does because he was directly paid by their payroll.
It wasn't a third removed.
So the story of Snowden has been glam, you know, perfume, tutus, and lipsticks.
alex jones
Sure, you're talking about Oliver Stone making a movie, all of it.
tore lindeman
Well, it's all glorified.
It's not the truth.
The truth is he went in there to hijack the NSA stream and reinforce this twinning of streams.
So every single piece of data that we speak, text, pictures, whatever you want, is housed at the NSA, is shipped off overseas.
And he did that.
Let's be clear on what he did.
And then he came out saying, oh, they're copying your messages.
Yeah, they're copying everything.
It's not just Verizon.
alex jones
Okay, well, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not seeing the proof that he's...
How would he control the whole architecture to put everything overseas?
tore lindeman
He didn't have to put the architecture.
alex jones
That's a gigantic, I don't know, click the buttons.
Don't do this.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
tore lindeman
Oh, Brennan did that in 2003 with Saudis in Luxembourg.
So that's when he set up the company with the servers.
alex jones
So why would he do all this and run to Russia?
tore lindeman
I don't know.
Did he go to Russia?
I don't know.
You know that for a fact?
Did you see him there?
jordan holmes
So now we have discredited the other voice on the documentary.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't seem to like her that much now either.
jordan holmes
It's still a great documentary.
dan friesen
Still a wonderful documentary.
jordan holmes
I think Billy did a really great job.
dan friesen
I have some serious problems with both of the people that my non-employee talked to.
jordan holmes
How dare he say, why would they do that?
How dare he say that?
To a conspiracy, how dare he go, I don't understand why anyone would act that way.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, the problem with that is that that means that Alex is capable of follow-up questions.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And that makes all the other interactions that he has suspect.
jordan holmes
He has to dislike you at least a little bit.
dan friesen
And you rarely see pushback.
And the fact that Alex is pushing back is not a good sign for these folks.
jordan holmes
No, they will not be back on.
unidentified
I highly doubt it.
dan friesen
So, you know, it's a really interesting position to be in because, you know, I watched Shadowgate and I looked into these folks and I found them to not pass certain tests that I have for credibility.
They didn't seem like people I would take their word on stuff for.
And it's really interesting that Alex and I are on the same page.
It's very rare that...
jordan holmes
It really is.
It really is for both of you to watch a documentary and come to the exact same conclusion.
dan friesen
Fuck these people.
jordan holmes
The only difference is he's like, I still think it was pretty good.
He's like oblivion.
Look, the acting wasn't that great.
dan friesen
I think that he and I came to our conclusion slightly different.
jordan holmes
Possibly.
dan friesen
Rubrics, maybe?
jordan holmes
Right.
You didn't take it personally.
dan friesen
No.
But it's, you know, by the end of Sunday's show, you get the sense that he doesn't like these people.
One of them for sure.
He doesn't like the other.
Subtly, signals don't seem to be...
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
dan friesen
So, we have this last clip here, and the show ends with Alex distancing himself even further, but at the same time saying he's not distancing himself, and saying that this is probably a big psy-op against himself and Roger.
alex jones
Here's all I know, folks.
And it's not a distancing myself from this film.
I don't tell contractors or people I sponsor, whether it's Paul Joseph Watson or whether it's Millie Weaver or whether it's Caitlin Bennett or whether it's a lot of other content creators that we support, I just say, hey, you're doing great work.
Here is some support.
And I hope you mention InfoWars and plug it back to us.
But really, it's all about the mission.
And so I've been handicapped that I can't respond to what's going on with this Shadowgate film because I never saw it.
I saw the trailer.
I wanted the film.
I wanted to promote it.
And I never got it.
And then she's arrested right when it's coming out.
And the dude that's in, it's at my door, unannounced.
And I'm not a rocket scientist, but that's weird.
I don't think Millie's involved.
I don't think Tory's involved.
I just know the guy at my door came here to say, Roger Stone wins everything.
NSA, New World Order.
He's like the giant brain bug.
And Roger Stone can't get his Skype connected, just like I can.
So, I can promote freedom.
I'm a good orator.
I love God.
I love justice.
I love you.
But I'm not running Jack Deadly Squad.
I've got problems with my own, you know, balance of my own checkbook.
dan friesen
Good orator.
alex jones
I see this, and I just say, something's going on here.
I haven't figured out what it is.
I don't know the answers.
I don't know who's good and who's bad.
But I'm going to get to the bottom of it.
And you've got a commitment from me.
Whatever I find out is going on with this, because it's got Q-tard stuff written all over it.
I am going to give you that information.
And there's a few things I haven't gotten into because I don't want to embarrass people right now.
But I got a good idea of what's going on.
And I got to tell you, Brennan is just trying to sabotage our movement.
I was told, oh, Brennan is giving us info.
He's actually good.
I told people, are you crazy?
Are you crazy?
So we'll figure it all out.
Just keep promoting America and freedom and justice and go Trump 2020.
COVID's overall a hoax.
We're going to expose the whole thing together.
Why did you throw that in?
dan friesen
Shout out his mixtape.
jordan holmes
Just so you know, everybody buy my mixtape.
COVID is all a hoax.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex is struggling with this.
I think I could help him solve this mystery.
You surround yourself with shitheads.
So stop doing that.
jordan holmes
This is so much listening to Two people on Project Camelot go, I think the Greys are behind this.
No, no, no.
I think the Raptoids are behind this.
This is exactly the same level of like, fine, fight it out amongst yourselves in the stars.
dan friesen
Yeah, neither of your answers will end up being correct.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, there's something interesting that happened over the course of this weekend.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
And as Monday and Tuesday rolled around, I noticed that on Monday, Alex on Band.Video had his Saturday report where he talked about Millie on a video on his Alex Jones page.
Sure.
He also had his Sunday broadcast up on Band.Video.
jordan holmes
What about his Friday broadcast, Dan?
dan friesen
Friday's up there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But you know what?
Now, that Saturday video and his Sunday show are gone.
jordan holmes
Gone.
dan friesen
They're gone from Band.Video.
unidentified
Just gone.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
Yep.
They are not there in the thread.
I'm looking at it right here.
They have a video of Roger Stone talking about Trump's brother.
unidentified
Sure, of course.
dan friesen
There's a video of Austinites celebrating in the pool water.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds great.
dan friesen
In the spring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has a show from Friday, August 14th.
It goes to the park.
Austinites at the park.
Roger Stone eulogizing.
Some video about Maxine Waters.
And then August 17th, Monday.
There's no Sunday show on here.
It's been taken down.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
They don't do that.
jordan holmes
He doesn't retract things, though.
dan friesen
They don't do that.
I don't see that happening regularly with Alex's show, where things are just gone.
And I think it's probably because this is embarrassing.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
Maybe a little bit embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Maybe a little bit embarrassing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I understand.
It always sucks when you get jumped.
jordan holmes
I think Alex is going to put a painting of a horse's head in Millie's bed.
unidentified
Man, I don't know.
jordan holmes
And obviously somebody will refuse to hang it up.
dan friesen
I want to say that I wish him well.
I'm not sure I do.
jordan holmes
No, I want to say I wish him more and utter confusion for forever.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was entertaining.
jordan holmes
I like this way better.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was pretty fun.
And I think that it wouldn't have been nearly as fun if he hadn't watched and knew about Shadowgate.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You know, I think that really helps understand and it makes it more enjoyable for us to see him wrestling with this so incompetently.
Alex.
I mean, look, I feel like my advice would be hire better people, but as soon as that comes out of my mouth, I realize you can't.
No, it's impossible.
jordan holmes
Better people would never work for InfoWars.
dan friesen
Exactly.
The path of the career has led to a point where you can't get anyone good to work for you.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You get these people to work for you, and inevitably, sure, Millie's going to be able to get some great footage of yelling at protesters pretty regularly.
You'll be able to get that.
It'll be great.
But whenever she gets ambitious, you might end up with something like this because she has no instincts and will talk to somebody like Patrick Berge and be like, this guy is the greatest expert ever.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
She should have run the other way and blocked him on Twitter like Dan Bongino.
jordan holmes
So stupid.
dan friesen
Anyway, what fun.
jordan holmes
It never occurred to Millie, did it, that if this guy is telling me even people that are in my universe refuse to talk to this guy, maybe I should avoid him.
Instead, she was like, oh, this is a scoop for me.
dan friesen
This is a scoop that's too dangerous for everyone else to touch.
jordan holmes
She got conned, too.
dan friesen
Yep.
Anyway, Jordan, let's wrap this up by listening to some voicemails that people have sent in.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great way to end it.
That's a nice little bright...
Yeah, that's a smart move.
dan friesen
One of the things, too, is I felt like it's always difficult to figure out exactly how to end.
Often it doesn't feel all that gratifying to have a wrap-up of, so my point is, Alex is done.
jordan holmes
There is a little bit of that.
dan friesen
So let's hear from the people.
unidentified
Hi, I'm calling this with the understanding that this is the new Knowledge Fight phone number.
We do tatsy.
Because the minute that you said that you had a phone number, I just started dialing it.
Why not?
So I think what I've decided my call is going to be about is a couple months ago I engaged with maybe both of you guys on Twitter and said, QAnon Anonymous crossover when?
And you both responded to me.
You were very nice on Twitter, which I know Twitter's not always known for.
I realized later the whole reason I found your show was through the show.
And that was embarrassing to admit.
So I didn't admit that online, but I'm giving it to you now.
You guys have a great show.
Bye.
dan friesen
We appreciate that.
jordan holmes
I like that honesty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a good impulse.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No need to feel ashamed.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Don't feel ashamed.
Honestly, the fact that he went out of his way to call us and call himself out.
I respect him more than someone.
unidentified
I applaud him.
jordan holmes
Yes, perfect.
dan friesen
Also, he brings up a good point, and that is that I don't know how to make a custom outgoing message.
So it is just a weird voice that doesn't say knowledge fight or anything.
So I have noticed a trend of a lot of people's messages start with, fucking hope this is knowledge fight.
jordan holmes
This is our version of being like...
Every time I say hello, they don't know that it's me.
So we always have to do this.
dan friesen
One of these days, maybe I'll figure out how to leave a message.
Anyway, here's another call.
unidentified
Hey, cat guys.
Wanted to just let you know I watched that video of Alex Jones walking around with the tiny bullhorn and boys and funny.
So thank you for that and thanks for doing the podcast.
dan friesen
What a voice.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Deep fucking voice.
That's coming from me.
Yeah, it's great.
Tiny Bullhorn was a big hit.
jordan holmes
Tiny Bullhorn.
dan friesen
Everyone loves it.
jordan holmes
That's too good.
It's just too good.
dan friesen
Too good for this world.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
What's up, fellas?
I go by Kite.
I am a non-binary furry, and I've been a big fan of the show for a little while now, and I'm going through the backlog of episodes, catching up, and I just want to say I really appreciate the show.
It really is something I enjoy listening to at work.
Helps me get through my day a lot.
Appreciate you guys.
Thanks for doing what you do.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
Thanks for the call.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Shout out to our non-binary folks out there and our furry peeps.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
That's great.
Shout out.
All right.
Next call here.
Jordan.
unidentified
Hey, Pat, guys.
My name's Ashley, and I love you guys.
You guys make me laugh so hard.
Jordan, when you start giggling, I have to pause the show.
I lose it when you start laughing.
jordan holmes
Oh, now she's giggling and I feel like giggling.
unidentified
But the reason that I decided to call is because the episode that you did about Alex going to the park with the tiny bullhorn was just, I mean, a masterpiece.
And I just saw, I'm reading through news articles here, and I find this one by Complex.
And it's about if Alex Joe calls out...
Alex Jones called out for harassing park employees over wearing masks.
And the first line is, armed with a tiny bullhorn, unhinged conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was filmed yelling at park employees in Austin, Texas.
I don't know if you guys helped him write this, but God, that is just so great.
And the tweets that people are tweeting because of this, just so amazing.
God, I love your show.
It is really helping me get into this horrible COVID-19.
Quarantine lockdown list.
Anyway, you guys are awesome.
I love you guys so much.
Bye!
jordan holmes
Bye!
dan friesen
Thank you, Ashley!
Everyone loves the tiny bullhorn.
jordan holmes
I'm backing away.
Her giggle is way more infectious than mine.
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
She just giggled and I was like, this is the happiest I've ever felt.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think she is much better than you.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
That might just be because of familiarity with you, though.
I hear that laugh a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're annoyed by it at this point.
dan friesen
Not annoyed, just...
jordan holmes
Exhausted?
dan friesen
Not exhausted.
I'm exhausted in general, but not to the laugh.
It's more just...
What's the right word?
jordan holmes
White noise?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
A ringing sensation in your...
unidentified
Numb.
jordan holmes
Numb is a good one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like numb.
dan friesen
But also, this tiny bullhorn has really made some waves.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think my next tattoo...
jordan holmes
You're going to go with a tiny bullhorn?
dan friesen
Tiny bullhorn.
So how I picture it in my head is a bullhorn, and then next to it, like a giant quarter, you know, like for scale.
Like a quarter.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That's a little conceptual.
That might be difficult to pull off with a tattoo right away.
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You just have like a quarter, and then I scaled down.
Bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Maybe with a little measurement.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, I see that.
That's how I see it in my head.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I feel like...
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
This phone line is now going to become tech guys.
Uh-oh.
People just recommend tech too, Stu.
dan friesen
No, that was my idea.
She actually didn't say that.
jordan holmes
No, I know, but by you giving us a real...
Yeah, there we go.
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Let's get this next caller.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Hello, this is Lawrence calling from sunny New Mexico.
I'm hoping, like hell, I reach the Knowledge Fight hotline, although the British sort of voice doesn't inspire confidence.
Anyways, I was just wondering, if you guys could do, like, some kind of Jordan origin episode.
He keeps dropping weird hints about, like, growing up in a cult and being groomed to be the Messiah or something, and, uh, I don't know.
That sounds interesting.
Anyway, love the show.
Keep up the great work, dude.
dan friesen
We have great news.
That story is told on an episode that we did, a little Q&A episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Q&A episode.
That's on the website.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's on the homepage, knowledgefight.com.
If you just scroll down, you can find our Q&A episodes that we did there.
And that's as good a time as any also to point out that we have a lot of calls that have come in.
And so we'll be also recording.
Some Q&As in the future.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that would be great.
dan friesen
Because a number of people, I've heard some of these voicemails, they're questions that kind of require maybe some answer.
jordan holmes
In-depth thought.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And actually it probably prompts for larger conversations.
And so I feel like they'd be more appropriate in an isolated, like, sort of special setting as opposed to as part of our episodes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like the idea of instead of you reading a question, being able to play the clip of the question.
I mean, that's way more personal and fun.
I enjoy that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is fun.
So there will be some more of those Q&As, but the story of Jordan's cult past is on there for anyone who's curious.
One last call here.
Hi.
unidentified
Is this 773 Tut Guys?
The guys who sell ancient Egyptian artifacts?
I was looking to buy some old honey.
jordan holmes
Okay, thanks.
dan friesen
I think this guy was looking for 773 Tut Guys.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Tut Guys?
dan friesen
He's looking for Egyptian stuff.
jordan holmes
Now I want us to have tut guys.
Why didn't you get that one?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight, your source for all things tut.
dan friesen
Alright, tattoos and mummies, we got it all.
jordan holmes
Tattoos and tuts.
dan friesen
Alright, well, this has been an interesting look into the phone mail bags.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So, we'll be back, Jordan.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And then if you could, please find a bail fund or local charity in your area to help out with people doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am also distrustful of the people in that documentary.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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