Today, Dan and Jordan begin a breakdown of some of the Alex-related aspects of the Sandy Hook trial. In this installment, they go over Alex's testimony, and review his on-air response to the announcement of the compensatory damages judgment.
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| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge. | |
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today is sneak weave. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| What fuck? | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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What am I doing? | |
| Is this a morning show? | ||
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Are we on good morning? | |
| Sneak weave. | ||
| That is what this has become. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A delightful week of celebration. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Celebration? | ||
| Celebration! | ||
| It's not celebration. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| It's sneaking. | ||
| Yeah, you can't celebrate a sneak, can you? | ||
| So we have the interview with reliable sources. | ||
| Brian Stelter on Sunday. | ||
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Indeed, the Stelts. | |
| Monday, we have the world-exclusive interview with the lawyers. | ||
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Wild. | |
| Mark Bankston and Bill Ogden. | ||
| It's so funny that we do. | ||
| Then Becca Lewis on Tuesday. | ||
| In order for Sneak Week to really be sneaky, there has to be a day where nothing happens. | ||
| There has to be a day where nothing happens to surprise you! | ||
| You expect shows the whole week. | ||
| No, we sneaked, we snuck, and we didn't have something on Wednesday. | ||
| And do you know what else? | ||
| When people think we zag, that's when we're going to zog, baby. | ||
| See, I know that that is a quote from NewsRadio, but I worry because zog means Zionist-occupied government. | ||
| Okay, well, yes. | ||
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That joke from Jimmy James has been ruined. | |
| Yes, there is a different issue. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So I have to put an embargo on that joke. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| So Thursday, here we are today. | ||
| We're beginning a two-parter about the trial time and getting up to speed on a lot of that stuff. | ||
| And then Friday, we cap off Sneak Week with an appearance on The Majority Report. | ||
| Oh my god, what are we doing? | ||
| With Sam Seder. | ||
| We're so silly. | ||
| Yeah, long time coming, I think. | ||
| Maybe, I don't know. | ||
| I've been looking forward to that. | ||
| I have been a big fan of Sam and his work. | ||
| And so, yeah, I'm looking forward to that. | ||
| I'm really excited about it as well. | ||
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Sneak week. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| What a week. | ||
| I'm going to sing Septipus to Sam the entire time. | ||
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Septipus! | |
| You've already told me that you're going to have a tough time not doing home movies impressions. | ||
| All home movies impressions. | ||
| I'm even going to go into Lucy, Daughter of the Devil. | ||
| I'm going to be like, holy shit, do you remember when you played the vampire guy? | ||
| And you were like, ah, I forget it. | ||
| Everything You Know About Vampire. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be great. | ||
| See, for me... | ||
| He's going to like me. | ||
| I have thoughts about various interviews he's done with academics and authors. | ||
| Debates he's done with libertarians. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He's fucked with Steven Crowder. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You just have voice acting. | ||
| I have Brendan Small. | ||
| And yeah, yeah, that's it. | ||
| Yeah, there we go. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is I put it up, I finished it, I compiled all of the annoying tweets that I made and I got rid of all the insults and all of the personal texts and all of the anything that isn't at the trial because... | ||
| I wanted to share a disorienting experience with people. | ||
| There's going to be way better books written about it that make more sense and that will be enjoyable to read, but... | ||
| You won't get the real experience of being there, which was disorienting and unenjoyable. | ||
| I think a lot of people are going to resent the lack of insults. | ||
| I think people are going to want those insults. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| You've cultivated this thing through the live tweeting where people are like, get up. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| The final draft. | ||
| 50,000 words, Dan. | ||
| I don't know if you recall what I said the initial amount of total words I had written over this time period was. | ||
| Um, no. 70,000. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Too many words. | ||
| 20,000 cut out. | ||
| I know how to take care of things. | ||
| 20,000 insults. | ||
| Insults. | ||
| It's quite a ratio. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it's done. | ||
| You can go to my website, The Quiet Part Loud. | ||
| It's the front page. | ||
| Did you include that whole thing where everyone was saying Grape Job to Barnes? | ||
| No, I did not. | ||
| Again, no personal tags. | ||
| I didn't even mention that Grape Job Barnes existed. | ||
| All that it is is you can go to my website and you can download it as a PDF. | ||
| Don't pay anything for it. | ||
| Don't give anybody anything for it. | ||
| Donate, buddy, or just read it. | ||
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Well... | |
| What fun. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| For everyone who is wondering, where are those tweets? | ||
| I'm so sensitive. | ||
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You made fun of me for writing a Twitter book like an idiot. | |
| You had a good tenure at your new job, as you refer to it. | ||
| I say, I got a gig one time, and it is... | ||
| Death for me. | ||
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It's a funny way to describe tweeting. | |
| Yes, for a short period of time. | ||
| Yes, I get it. | ||
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Because it also kind of sounds like someone was paying you to do it. | |
| It does. | ||
| Which is hilarious. | ||
| It does, and it is. | ||
| And it's sad. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're starting part one of the trial coverage and sort of the surrounding. | ||
| Aura. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| In some sense. | ||
| I think the surrounding stuff will be a little bit more in the next episode. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But today what we're going to be doing is going over the... | ||
| Testimony that Alex gave at the trial, which I didn't expect we were going to cover because I thought all that stuff was like, you can't make copies of this, but then it's on law and crime. | ||
| Yeah, I guess they just put it out there. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, it's ours now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nothing that you can do about it. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of people are watching those videos. | ||
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I'm going to go ahead and take some of that audio. | |
| So we're going to cover Alex's... | ||
| Direct questioning from Reynold. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then the cross-examination. | ||
| And then we're going to get into the aftermath of the compensatory damages. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that's where we're going to leave off. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alex's response to the compensatory damages, waiting for the next day when he will end up in the punitive fix. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that is what part one will cover, and then part two will pick up and sprawl from there. | ||
| So this one... | ||
| One is Far From Home, and then the next one is Endgame. | ||
| I forgot how these movies are titled. | ||
| I haven't seen any of them, and so yes. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Perfectly accurate Marvel metaphor. | ||
| So before we do that, though, Jordan, let's get back to something we haven't done in a while. | ||
| Say hello to some new wonks. | ||
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Yay! | |
| So first, objection, non-responsive. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you! | |
| Next, Afternomia podcast. | ||
| You inspired me to fact-check my local bircherite weirdo in podcast form. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, hearing the old technocrat drop makes me feel three years younger. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, Justin and Tony. | ||
| You're going Zimbabwe. | ||
| Thank you so much, you are now Policywonk. | ||
| I'm a Policywonk. | ||
| I forgot that one. | ||
| How much have we forgotten? | ||
| I thought it was baby, you're going Zimbabwe. | ||
| I think it was that, but I still like it. | ||
| That was good. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Next, it may be easier to just say it's pronounced Michaela. | ||
| My mom was a creative speller. | ||
| Thank you so much, you are now Policywonk. | ||
| I'm a Policywonk. | ||
| Thank you very much, Michaela! | ||
| And angering Alex by being tall at the mall. | ||
| Thank you so much, you are now Policywonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Finally, Jordan, we have a technocrat in the mix. | ||
| And to make that other person feel three years younger, I'm going to use the old drop. | ||
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All right. | |
| But my husband knows the term is policy wonk, but still calls it poly wonk. | ||
| He's going to be so happy he's now a technocrat. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much! | ||
| Yes, thank you very much! | ||
| So now, Jordan, we begin with Alex being sworn in. | ||
| And I do think that this isn't going to be a complete play-by-play of everything that happens. | ||
| Because there's a lot of stuff that I think, honestly, anyone who listens to our show would be like, this is boring, this is... | ||
| That was a lot of the experience of us being in the room for, especially his first day, of just being like, are you doing an ad read right now? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, we might include that. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| But Alex is sworn in, and he tries to take a piece of paper up to the stand with him, which causes a little problem. | ||
| Mr. Reynold, do you have a witness? | ||
| I do. | ||
| The defense would call Alex E. Jones. | ||
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All right, Mr. Jones, come stand in front of me, please. | |
| Raise your right hand. | ||
| Do solemnly swear or affirm, under penalty of perjury, that the testimony you are about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Come have a seat. | ||
| In the witness chair, there is water and glasses. | ||
| You have pretty good volume. | ||
| I don't think you'll need to lean into the microphone. | ||
| I see that you have a document with you. | ||
| I don't know if you were here when I explained to a prior witness who brought documents with them that you can't look at any document for any reason while you're testifying unless one of the lawyers or myself instructs you to do so. | ||
| So I'm going to ask you to actually just give it back to Mr. Reynold until he may think you need it. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Did you understand all that? | ||
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I did, yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So one of the things that's fun about that is that, you know, Alex is so invested in this, like, we're teleprompter free! | ||
| You know, and then he's trying to bring handwritten notes to the stand, so he remembers his talking points. | ||
| I mean, the fact that they were handwritten too, like, come on. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, on some level, I get it. | ||
| I get the impulse. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I would rather have talking points. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| No, that's fair. | ||
| Instead of just being adrift at sea and having to answer whatever question is asked of me. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But, yeah, you don't get to do that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this wasn't day one of the trial, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| I believe this is day five. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've already experienced... | ||
| It was Tuesday. | ||
| No, this would have been day seven. | ||
| Day six. | ||
| Yes, day six of the trial proper... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because if you don't count jury selection... | ||
| If you don't count jury selection... | ||
| Yeah, day six. | ||
| So... | ||
| But, like, we had seen for a week... | ||
| Everyone come unprepared! | ||
| And then they had a weekend! | ||
| Yeah, because what we have not discussed is, up until this point, you already had Owen Troyer, you already had Daria, you already had Becca, you already had Wills, Zip, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Mr. Crouch. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so, you'd already had, like, a real contrast in the Infowars people and the witnesses that were being called by the plaintiffs in terms of their ability to... | ||
| Answer basic... | ||
| Questions. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex comes up. | ||
| Oh, I also didn't include the part where he was scolded for chewing gum and then tried to show the judge the inside of his mouth. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| There were some things that were just kind of like, what are we doing? | ||
| We have some things to talk about. | ||
| Let's not get bogged down. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're going to be here a while. | ||
| So Renal comes in with his first question. | ||
| And one of the things that I think becomes abundantly clear really fast is that Alex does not appreciate the notion of not just being able to ramble. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes, he was not a fan. | ||
| It's one of the things that he has, it's the most sacred to him, and he does not respond well to being told, you have to answer questions. | ||
| Alex, would you please introduce yourself to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury? | ||
| Hi, I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| How are you feeling today, Alex? | ||
| I actually feel good, because I get a chance to, for the first time, say what's really going on instead of the corporate media and high-powered law firms manipulating what I actually did. | ||
| I want to start by kind of letting the jury know a little bit about your youth and where you grew up so they can get to know you better. | ||
| Is that okay? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And before we do that, I just do want to say this on record because I've said it many times. | ||
| I apologize to both. | ||
| Sustained. | ||
| So, Mr. Jones, one of the instructions I just gave you is that this is not a conversation. | ||
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Question? | |
| And answer. | ||
| So she got the monologue, but not me. | ||
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I got it. | |
| And so you have to only answer questions that are asked of you. | ||
| So you can see here that in the first question Alex is asked, he's already off track. | ||
| He's trying to monologue and control the entirety of the conversation because why wouldn't he think he should be able to? | ||
| I find it hard to imagine that Renal has had any success ever trying to keep Alex on point. | ||
| Like, off the stand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So why should this be any different? | ||
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Right. | |
| At the end, Alex says that it's not fair that he doesn't get to talk, but she got to monologue. | ||
| This is in reference to Scarlett Lewis'testimony from just prior to him taking the stand, and there's a reason why she got to monologue, as Alex put it. | ||
| It's because Raynall knew damn well that he wasn't going to object and Yeah. | ||
| is so detached from his humanity as to deprive Miss Lewis of her chance to speak her piece to Alex after all this time and him dodging the moment of having to look her in the face and hear her words. | ||
| Truth be told, Lewis probably was a bit off-subject at a few points in her testimony, and if Ray Nall had objected, there's a really good chance that the judge would have no choice but to refocus the question asked, but he didn't do that, and that's what Alex is mad about. | ||
| You're not mad that she got to monologue and you don't. | ||
| It's that your lawyer didn't stop it. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| It does seem like what is really causing Alex ire is that his lawyer did not badger Scarlett Lewis with questions. | ||
| Or interrupt her answers of questions that the plaintiff's attorney says. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You understand why we're here. | ||
| Yeah, I think that it would have taken a really cold, cold lawyer to be like, objection, non-responsive to her talking about her son dying. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been a dark day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex does want to stress, as he was trying to at this sidebar that he was going down, that he apologized and he's sorry and all this. | ||
| So he attempts an apology here. | ||
| Mr. Jones, have you been wanting to... | ||
| Apologize to the plaintiffs in this case for a long time? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And what would you like to say to them? | ||
| That I never intentionally tried to hurt you. | ||
| I never even said your name until this case came to court. | ||
| I didn't even really know who you were until a couple years ago when all this started up. | ||
| The internet had a lot of questions. | ||
| I had questions. | ||
| And over that six, seven-year period before I got sued, or six-year period, It's clear, you can see the whole progression of us, the few times we covered it, trying to actually find out what happened. | ||
| And that's really been my big frustration, is that people have said that I'm personally trying to hurt them or coming after them. | ||
| When I question every big event, a lot of times it turns out that we've not been told the truth. | ||
| And a perfect example is today, where they play a one-minute clip, and I had... | ||
| Just done that this morning. | ||
| And I knew that I said, I believe that Scarlett Lewis is real and she's a really nice person and she's really a sweet person. | ||
| And then I went through and talked about her ex-husband too. | ||
| And then I said, I believe they're being fed and manipulated. | ||
| And this is a perfect... | ||
| This is a perfect... | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| Alex just wants to power through. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So the clip he's talking about is something we went over on our 7-Eleven episode. | ||
| Episode 7-Eleven. | ||
| It wasn't an episode about 7-Eleven. | ||
| It wasn't in 7-Eleven either. | ||
| That is the clip of Alex talking about how Heslin appeared slow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And all this. | ||
| He's trying to argue that this is a... | ||
| You know, they selectively edited everything. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah, his argument was essentially... | ||
| You didn't play the whole clip. | ||
| See, what happened is the first thing I said was, I'm sorry, and then I said that Neil Heslin was slow and that I think he's on the spectrum. | ||
| So this is not an apology. | ||
| That is Alex attempting to defend himself by saying that he didn't mean to hurt anyone and he didn't actually even say things that would hurt them to begin with because, you know, people just take things he says out of context and attack him. | ||
| This is pathetic, but this is Alex's understanding of an apology. | ||
| It's not about recognizing and respecting the pain that other people experience due to your actions. | ||
| It's about pretending that you care they were hurt. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you follow his words, he's essentially saying, basically... | ||
| You're not smart enough to understand why what I did was actually okay. | ||
| Here are my excuses that you just don't understand. | ||
| Like, you're mad at me, but really it's your fault. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I didn't hurt you. | ||
| It's the media lying about the things that I said. | ||
| I don't even know who you are. | ||
| I never said your name. | ||
| Yeah, a very respectful thing to say in your defamation trial is, honestly, I didn't even know who you were. | ||
| It doesn't matter to me who my hurt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's almost like he's... | ||
| And Bison in the Street Fighter movie. | ||
| It's a little bit like, wow, you are a real villain here. | ||
| The day that I came to your village is the most important day of your life, but for me it was Tuesday. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, Jesus, man. | ||
| That's how you're gonna go with it. | ||
| That tone isn't good. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| So Reynaud wants to humanize Alex, obviously. | ||
| And so a part of this is walking through some of his earlier life. | ||
| And I didn't... | ||
| Cut clips from all of it. | ||
| But there's some stuff that just seemed like, wow, this doesn't match up at all with the way Alex usually talks. | ||
| Yeah, we were in there. | ||
| Yeah, so here's the first of that. | ||
| Can you let us know, where are you from in Texas originally? | ||
| I first was born in Dallas, then I grew up in a suburb of Dallas called Rockwell. | ||
| And how old were you when you moved to Austin? | ||
| Sixteen. | ||
| And can you tell the members of the jury why your family relocated to Austin? | ||
| My dad sold his dental practice, and there was too much crime in Dallas, and Austin was a safer city. | ||
| There's too much crime in Dallas. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| You lived in Rockwall. | ||
| Too much crime in Dallas. | ||
| Wealthy suburb. | ||
| Apparently, if you watch Alex's documentary, it's one of the richest suburbs in the country, and everybody's rolling around in Rolls Royces and doing coke-off sex workers on boats. | ||
| His problem is there was too much wage theft going on, so there was a lot of crime going on in that neighborhood. | ||
| Service employees were paid too little. | ||
| Yes, that's what his main issue was, is that the people he was around were not paying their employees well. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I wish it was. | ||
| Yeah, I think that he knew better than to do the, I grew up in a town where Satanists were trying to recruit me to worshipping the devil because they knew that through psychic powers the devil gave them, I would be important to God's mission in the future, and I uncovered a drug ring within the Rockwall Police Department, and they threatened to murder me if I didn't leave town. | ||
| I think that maybe he knew that the jury wouldn't take kindly to that, or maybe it would paint him in a bad light, because it's clearly... | ||
| Yeah, it would be a little bit like the jury's punitive damages at that point would have to come back with, like, and he has to wear a straitjacket forever. | ||
| You know, like, if you say that on the stand, punitive damages stop being money. | ||
| I think Alex is pretty lucky that this is not one of those performative judge situations. | ||
| Section 8! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex talks about some of his early influences, and this was one of the points where I almost had to leave the courtroom. | ||
| How old were you when you first felt that you wanted to be on the air, that you wanted to work in media? | ||
| When I was about 17, I really liked listening to talk radio. | ||
| And I'd grown up with my dad on road trips listening to Larry Keene when he was still on radio. | ||
| And I really liked Larry Keene on radio and then also on CNN. | ||
| And I also liked Howard Stern, thought he was funny. | ||
| And I really wanted to be a talk show host. | ||
| This is a strategic answer on Alex's part because he doesn't want to say to the jury that he was brought up listening to and admiring extreme far-right demagogues and Christian identity radio preachers. | ||
| He doesn't want to say to the jury that he was a devoted fan of the British Israelite preacher David J. Smith or how he was a regular listener to the Holocaust-denying preacher Tex Mars, whose church Alex has said repeatedly that he attends. | ||
| He doesn't want to even tell the version of the story that he relayed in his documentary Alex's War, because even that would sound bad to a jury. | ||
| Larry King and Howard Stern are largely mainstream touchstones, and they do the sort of shows that Alex wants the jury to think he does. | ||
| It's total bullshit, but it's also very clear why he's presenting his inspiration to get into media this way, so the jury doesn't get an accurate sense of what his career has actually been about. | ||
| Also, kind of makes Alex Lee Moyer's editing choices look even more embarrassing. | ||
| The use of swelling music over Alex telling the tale of how he discovered people bringing the fight to the New World Order on public access and how that was the moment he realized he wanted to get into this field seems... | ||
| Particularly dumb now. | ||
| Just imagine the same music that she played over Alex saying, I really like Larry King's radio show. | ||
| I wanted to host a chat program like his. | ||
| Not quite so... | ||
| It doesn't have the same flair. | ||
| Maybe you got played or maybe you wanted to be played. | ||
| It is so very funny to me, the idea of having made a documentary and then only days later hear your subject almost completely disavow every single thing in that documentary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Under oath. | ||
| I'm also seeing, like, I don't know. | ||
| I'm getting Reset Wars vibes in terms of, like... | ||
| I think there was a lot of ramping up to it, and it seems like it's a bit of a dud. | ||
| No one cares at all about that fucking documentary. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, that is... | ||
| I feel almost like I'm dumb for doing as much work in advance. | ||
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I mean... | |
| Because I kind of thought it would be a little bit more widely discussed and maybe viewed than it was. | ||
| I had a preemptive... | ||
| For the pre-mart... | ||
| I mean, they had... | ||
| Some big names pre-marketing it, you know? | ||
| Like, the interview with Greenwald, it feels like that should move the needle somewhat, right? | ||
| He's got two million followers! | ||
| There were a lot of pre-orders online, which take however you want. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, Alex's early show that he did at the beginning of his career, apparently quite different than the current one. | ||
| Way different. | ||
| And what was the format of your early shows on Austin Public Access TV? | ||
| It wasn't as conspiratorial or political. | ||
| There was some of that, because there was other people doing those shows, and I already knew about that information. | ||
| But it was just all over the map. | ||
| It was just really calling shows on different topics. | ||
| did variety shows like Carve Pumpkins on TV on Halloween and you know have a guy come in with his pet monkey and dances around just fun stuff because I also liked Johnny Carson Oh, okay. | ||
| That's complete bullshit. | ||
| Maybe Alex did do a bit of goofing off on his show, but it was also straight-up conspiracy content. | ||
| He and his early public access co-host Jeff Davis made a documentary together titled Are You Practicing Communism? | ||
| If that gives you some sense of the vibe he was working with back then. | ||
| It's really hard to get your hands on the shows from back then, but the ones I've seen are complete bullshit and conspiracy laden nonsense. | ||
| And it's super easy to find accounts from people who worked at the station with him back then. | ||
| Right. | ||
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He was a raving conspiracy lunatic even back then. | |
| He was an asshole and no one liked working. | ||
| That's why... | ||
| That's a big part of why his career took the trajectory he did. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It would have been more fun if that was like a PSA, where it's like, are you practicing your piano lessons? | ||
| Are you practicing your communism? | ||
| Are you working on your communism? | ||
| Absolutely, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Practice makes perfect. | ||
| Are you going to communist in Carnegie Hall, is the question that you should be asking yourself. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I tried to watch that documentary. | ||
| How'd it go? | ||
| Well, it's not a documentary. | ||
| It's like them sitting at a table. | ||
| Complaining about communism. | ||
| It's between two ferns? | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| But there's a table. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And no ferns. | ||
| Right, well. | ||
| Yeah, it just was like, I can't. | ||
| I'm not going to do this. | ||
| There was no flair. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Boring. | ||
| No flair. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Anti-communism. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| But look, man. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Loved Larry King. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Tell us, in those, you told us already about Larry King and about Howard Stern. | ||
| Who would you say influenced you artistically in the format and how you did your show then and became the man you are today? | ||
| I mean, really, I listen to Larry King a lot because my dad listened to him on the radio a lot. | ||
| When I was, from the time I was like six, seven, I remember listening to Larry King. | ||
| And then I'd watch him a lot of nights. | ||
| If Alex's dad listened to Larry King, it was yelling at him. | ||
| It was like listening to Larry King and being like, this fucking communist. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Honestly, I would almost believe that. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| The Alex's need to interrupt over the TV. | ||
| It's sad to have come from somewhere. | ||
| I think it's entirely possible that he did watch his dad just interrupt Larry King screaming at the TV all the time. | ||
| It's an interesting theory. | ||
| I think that that could just be a style he developed. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Low attention span, highly knee-jerk, reactive. | ||
| But, yeah, you do what you see sometimes. | ||
| I mean, I'm just saying that I'm aging, and now I'm recognizing my father's actions in my own, and this is entirely about me. | ||
| I have no idea what we're talking about. | ||
| I can't relate to that at all. | ||
| As someone whose dad locked himself in a room and worked all the time. | ||
| Alex touches on his first documentary here, and this is a real fun claim. | ||
| Did you also start making, in order to support InfoWars, did you also start making documentaries? | ||
| I did start making documentaries in 1997. | ||
| I made my first documentary, America Destroyed by Design, about the Great Reset. | ||
| Oh yeah, that right. | ||
| And the different UN documents that were in it. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And then I made more than 25 more films after that. | ||
| See, this is, like, so indicative of Alex's shit. | ||
| Like, this pretending that his first documentary was about the Great Reset, something that didn't become a hot topic in conspiracy circles until 2021, basically. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, this is so... | ||
| This is what he's about. | ||
| He's about retconning. | ||
| He takes these things that he yelled about in the past and then applies modern labels and contexts to them in order to make it look like... | ||
| Hashtag Alex Jones was always right. | ||
| Yeah, it's just such bullshit. | ||
| Like, you weren't yelling about the Great Reset. | ||
| You were yelling about, like, Agenda 21 and the road in Texas. | ||
| Or the road through, what was it? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The highway. | ||
| Yeah, the transatlantic North American highway. | ||
| Corridor, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| You were yelling about national parks having a sign up in them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get off it. | ||
| It was, it is, like, we talked about it with Mark and Bill just a little bit, but it is, like, you can't really have a jury of I don't know if that's a substantive lie to the case. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Right, but you're under oath. | ||
| I know all that stuff. | ||
| I know it's legally all that it is. | ||
| But there is a certain part of me that's like, you have to be able to know that Alex is lying even about that. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I think that this runs into the issue of the separate realities. | ||
| Because, you know, there's a part of Alex that probably believes... | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That I was talking about The Great Reset. | ||
| When I was three years old, I had a dream about The Great Reset. | ||
| The Lord spoke it to me. | ||
| How does narcissism work in its effects on whether or not you think you're being truthful? | ||
| And that's something that would be difficult to unpack. | ||
| But I would say that oath or no oath, you're a fool if you think Alex is ever going to actually give you truthful answers. | ||
| Truth. | ||
| And direct answers. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we get back to talking about the time of Sandy Hook on Alex's show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what was his show like? | ||
| What was the environment at InfoWars? | ||
| I believe I recall. | ||
| Can you tell us what the sort of different segments are that would appear on a given day at InfoWars circa 2012? | ||
| There was my four-hour radio show. | ||
| Then in 2012, it was just a webcam on me for people that wanted to watch it online. | ||
| And then it was just me at a desk with a camera in 2012. | ||
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And then, I mean, that was it, basically. | |
| The primary goal of Alex's answer here is to downplay his own relevance and the size of his operation in 2012. | ||
| He wants the jury to think that though he's a big famous boy now, back then he was really just a mom and pop talk show. | ||
| Unfortunately, he's lying. | ||
| He didn't just have a webcam on a desk at that point. | ||
| He had two studios, each with multiple camera angles available at any point. | ||
| He also had more than just his show being broadcast daily, since the InfoWars Nightly News was in existence at that point. | ||
| The nightly news started in 2011, and it contained a bunch of content that's relevant to this very lawsuit, like instances of Rob Du covering Sandy Hook. | ||
| Alex knows all this, but the goal is to create the perception that he really wasn't that big back then, so it couldn't have been him that was so influential in getting the Sandy Hook conspiracies rolling and causing the harm that was done to Neil and Scarlett. | ||
| It's a fraud, and one of the telltale signs is him pretending a show he produced all the way to 2017 doesn't exist. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Never heard of it before. | ||
| What's this? | ||
| I've never heard of it before. | ||
| I was thinking about this. | ||
| I can't think of any... | ||
| Testimony, real or fictional, I have ever seen that may be more chucked filled with absolute non-truths, you know? | ||
| And it is, like you were saying, you know, like... | ||
| That's because in this world, I don't think we're ever dealing with a truth or a lie. | ||
| That doesn't exist. | ||
| We're dealing with both and neither simultaneously. | ||
| What's convenient and useful to me is the truth. | ||
| Is the truth. | ||
| And I believe it under a lie detector. | ||
| And I think that it's bizarre because narcissism for Alex works in this way of like... | ||
| Alright, when I need to inflate myself... | ||
| In 2012, I had the biggest show in the world. | ||
| I had 100 million radio stations. | ||
| Every world leader on the planet listens to my show. | ||
| Ron Paul loved me and he was the rightful president or something. | ||
| I owned the Tea Party. | ||
| I ran the Tea Party. | ||
| He did run the Tea Party. | ||
| He did explicitly say that. | ||
| And then the narcissism here is that he needs to not be very big because it's important for him to not have the... | ||
| This is the grand title of the thing that is negative. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| What is that hallmark thing of psychopaths? | ||
| Is it the manipulating based on what they people think want to hear in any situation? | ||
| Is that one of those things? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| So this next clip is where Alex gets to talking about how talk show hosts are judged. | ||
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And this is bizarre. | |
| At the time, 2012, how did you all source the, or how did you source the stories that you wanted to cover during that segment of your talk radio? | ||
| 95% of what we were covering was mainstream news going, look, they're saying this, do you believe it? | ||
| Or, what do you make of this? | ||
| I mean, it's that kind of thing, is that we would simply do what talk radio does. | ||
| That's what talk radio does. | ||
| That's what Larry King did, is he's stacking his articles, talking about what's going on, what people are saying, ask callers, what do you think of that? | ||
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Do you buy that? | |
| What do you think's going to happen next? | ||
| Are there really WMDs in Iraq? | ||
| Are they lying about it? | ||
| And then the talk show hosts make their predictions about what they think, and then the talk radio listeners basically keep note and see who's the most accurate, and it becomes a big game to see who has made the best predictions. | ||
| Things like that. | ||
| And so that kind of lends itself to the very nature of a soapbox is people speculating. | ||
| That's the nature of people going to a park and standing up at Speaker's Corner in London for 600 years and giving their opinion. | ||
| That's what free speech is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That is one of the most absurd descriptions of five different things I've ever heard. | ||
| I mean, it got into town criers there at the end. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He thinks that his audience is sitting there with a pen and a pad writing down his predictions. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's like they have baseball scorecards. | ||
| They're like, oh, okay, Alex hit a single on this one, draw one line. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Rush Limbaugh hits one out of the park! | ||
| I mean, look, from the time that we've been doing this, The predictions that we've seen from him, if anyone was doing this, and talk show hosts were judged by this, he would be out of business. | ||
| He would be an outlier. | ||
| On the other side. | ||
| Yes, on the far side. | ||
| He would be an outlier, that's true. | ||
| His predictions suck. | ||
| He's fortunate that no one is keeping a pen and pen. | ||
| Yeah, if that is true, god damn. | ||
| The world would have to have been destroyed multiple times over by now in order for his predictions to have any Decent track record. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Cities in America would be constantly getting nuked. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The globalists would be starving everyone, and we would all be dead of a plague of locusts years ago. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is how Alex always kind of gets into your head. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| That is so insane that you almost forget, he said, that free speech is really just a dude standing on a box in the corner in London screaming for 600 years. | ||
| But back then, your town crier that you listen to, you judge by their predictions. | ||
| Yes, but then you judge their predictions by how long they stayed in the stocks. | ||
| I think that might actually be a better situation for us. | ||
| Man. | ||
| If you have enough bad predictions, you go in the stocks for a week. | ||
| Yeah, I think that that is, you're right, that is one of the tools of Alex's absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's constant heightening. | ||
| There's so many layers of absurdity. | ||
| Yeah, so you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| I can't deal with Part A. Part B is... | ||
| Part C is hilarious. | ||
| Part D, what are you talking about? | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| So, in a conversation about sources, Alex says this. | ||
| Now, most of the time, though, I say, I want this person. | ||
| I want that person. | ||
| And I'm more in control of the guest that I have. | ||
| But in the past, We let more things driven by the internet and by 4chan and 8chan that in every case I've had problems has been a curse. | ||
| I'm not thanking everybody that's on there, but I tell my producers, do not touch it when it's on there. | ||
| Because it's the kiss of death and it causes nothing but problems. | ||
| It's bullshit that Alex is saying there's a moratorium on this kind of sourcing from things on 4chan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But... | ||
| If you want to take this seriously at all, then what Alex needs to do is take a real hard look in the mirror, take an inventory of the things that he said based on 4chan posts. | ||
| And retract all of it. | ||
| He needs to go back and look at the Soros Antifa contracts. | ||
| He needs to go back and find all of these things and really wrestle with like, okay, if you now know this to be a completely unreliable source, you need to figure out what parts of your mythology, what parts of your worldview are solely informed by that. | ||
| And work to get those out. | ||
| Make sure that people don't still believe them, because otherwise you're still using 4chan as a source, essentially. | ||
| And he doesn't do that, because those things that are based on 4chan nonsense are too important to him. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah, no, if you find out a single cop used to be a drug dealer for 10 years, every single case that that cop worked on needs to be re-evaluated and thrown out or whatever. | ||
| So it's the same thing. | ||
| It's the same fundamental principle. | ||
| Yeah, and it's hard work. | ||
| It is very hard work. | ||
| Part of the reason Alex isn't going to do it. | ||
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| The result is going to be. | ||
| It's not going to be good for him. | ||
| No, because then you have to find another way to try and prove that Soros has Antifa contracts to burn down cities, which is a real big part of your whole bullshit opposition to the Black Lives Matter protests. | ||
| At least one of the ways that you pretended it wasn't based on flagrant racism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But hey, don't go ahead and do that because it's too complicated. | ||
| It would take a while. | ||
| Daria didn't even like finding the things that she was asked about. | ||
| For two years. | ||
| Well, Wikipedia. | ||
| Yeah, well, she did like finding that. | ||
| So, Alex doesn't like the news anymore. | ||
| That's not surprising. | ||
| And more and more, I don't really follow the news model of covering the news. | ||
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In the past, I did. | |
| We still do it a lot. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But now, I mainly just talk about philosophy and the big picture, and then have some guests on, and the show's gotten more. | ||
| Christian, because I'm a Christian, but as things progress, all things happening in the world, I'm moving more towards doing a self-help, life experience type show than the political show. | ||
| I've been trying to segue out of this just because I think we have to change individuals. | ||
| Kind of like Scarlett was saying earlier, more than we're going to change the world. | ||
| We can't change ourselves. | ||
| Didn't ever be able to change the world. | ||
| And I've made a lot of mistakes. | ||
| And I've learned a lot in that process. | ||
| And I've also learned how the corporate media is able to completely manipulate a story once you're caught in it. | ||
| And then manipulate other people. | ||
| And if anything, I want to teach people about how that process worked. | ||
| Because they say I'm the mastermind that figured out how to manipulate people and I didn't have any understanding of it. | ||
| And now I've seen it from the inside, the way this stuff goes on. | ||
| And again, I think only getting the individual awake and aware and not under its control is the way to beat it. | ||
| And you can't just cover a bunch of news and get somebody to understand that. | ||
| You can't be told about the Matrix. | ||
| You've got to see it. | ||
| He's on the stand. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is rambly. | ||
| I mean, look, on the one hand, Televangelily. | ||
| Yeah, stuff like... | ||
| You don't have to pretend you have proof for. | ||
| As opposed to pretending you have proof for things. | ||
| You can lie about the Bible all day and people really don't care. | ||
| Sure, I think that getting into philosophy in the big picture is a generous way to say yelling about the devil. | ||
| There's one way. | ||
| But yeah, I think this is true. | ||
| Alex is giving up the pretense of being about news and documents and all this because it never was real to begin with. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think what's interesting about that is that This is something that I noticed throughout Alex's testimony, is that Alex was clearly the best coached, because I really don't even know if Daria or Owen were given instructions on what questions Raynal was going to ask them. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But Raynal was clearly giving Alex prompts for these answers that they had talked about, because they don't look as terrible as the real ones do, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then Alex just can't not be Alex. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So he gives his prepared remarks, and then you can see him kind of scramble. | ||
| And then start rambling off and all of a sudden he's like, and so that's why the Democrats are in. | ||
| You're like, no, no, no, you were doing so good! | ||
| Yeah, but that's what Alex wants. | ||
| It's what he wants! | ||
| To get out on the stand. | ||
| He's just gotta do it. | ||
| He's just gotta do it. | ||
| He can't stop himself. | ||
| So part of the reason that he can't stop himself is because he's just over-prepared. | ||
| How many hours a day are you on the air? | ||
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I'm on the air about four hours a day. | |
| Since when have you been on the air about four hours a day? | ||
| I've been on the air four hours a day since about 1997-98. | ||
| And in order to prepare for those four hours that you're going to be on the air every day... | ||
| Well, let me ask you this. | ||
| How many days a week? | ||
| I'm on the air six days a week. | ||
| So in order to prepare for four hours a day, six days a week... | ||
| How many hours per day do you spend on prep for your show? | ||
| I spend about two hours at night and about two hours in the morning and then I do some research in the afternoon. | ||
| This is a far cry from the 16 hours a day you're studying the globalists. | ||
| Really did seem like he was overplaying his hand, and now it seems like he's downplaying it, huh? | ||
| Yeah, it seems like on air, it's I do literally nothing but read globalist white papers and documents. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All of their dirty laundry. | ||
| Eat, breathe, and sleep it. | ||
| Dossiers that are filthy. | ||
| Filthy dossiers, not even dirty. | ||
| I'm dreaming reading these documents. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do about two hours of the morning, maybe. | ||
| It's busy. | ||
| But also, I think that this is a lie. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I think that this is too much. | ||
| I really don't even know what this is also being used for. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| I can explain this. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Like, him saying what he says on his show would be laughable. | ||
| The jury would never believe that. | ||
| It would be something like, yeah, right. | ||
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| What are you doing for 16 hours a day? | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| That's fair. | ||
| You're high. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But the two to four hours is believable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is a believable amount of preparation. | ||
| That's a work day. | ||
| You do four hours of a show, you do an eight-hour work day, you call it a day. | ||
| It's kind of what you would expect for somebody who's doing a job. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you don't want him to look like, ah, just shoot from the hip entirely. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because then there's an approach that is structurally irresponsible to what ended up happening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at the same time, you don't want to make it look like he does nothing but do this show, because first of all, it's unbelievable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Second of all, if so, then you should have vetted Wolfgang Halbig. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| If you're working 16 hours a day, you had the time. | ||
| You got the time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I meant more for, like, the defense's case, because part of what they're arguing is clearly Alex spends so much time on air, you know. | ||
| What? | ||
| He spent, like, five minutes telling these people, you know, all of this stuff. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| There's one-tenth of one percent. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But it could also be that, look, he works so hard, these things are going to fall through the cracks. | ||
| You know, he says 95% of my time is I'm not doing anything like this. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| But either way, the problem is he's already been found guilty of doing the thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So it can't really reduce the damages, can it? | ||
| Or is it just like, see, he's a down-home country guy. | ||
| I think that's a large part of it. | ||
| It's more like humanizing him, that kind of thing. | ||
| And the mom-and-pop aspect of it. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Because it's just a small propaganda outlet. | ||
| That's true! | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He just puts his pale... | ||
| There's no nightly news at this point. | ||
| There's a limited amount of employees that he has. | ||
| And yeah, the perception is kind of making it more normal. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| As opposed to the absurdity that it is. | ||
| And that continues even into this next clip, which actually just made me really, really sad. | ||
| When did you start bringing on other hosts that have their own programs? | ||
| I think we started the nightly news in like 2000... | ||
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| I don't have the exact age. | ||
| Alex knows damn well that the nightly news started in 2011, but that would make his operation look much more professional if he were to be aware of that, so it's pretty important that it started well after the period of Sandy Hook. | ||
| Even worse is that Alex has completely forgotten about his original companion show, The Info Warrior, featuring Jason Burmess. | ||
| That show was on in like 2009 and really Burma's did so much for InfoWars in those early days in that era. | ||
| This omission is insulting. | ||
| In fact, in court, I poked you and said... | ||
| He forgot about Burma. | ||
| You sure did. | ||
| I felt really sad for it. | ||
| Again, though, it's definitely not in Alex's best interest to present the image that he was producing other shows on Infowars at this point in his career. | ||
| Like I said, this is a mom-and-pop propaganda outlet. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And it can't possibly have been the big boogeyman that led to so much pain. | ||
| No, he wasn't the CEO of what, maybe what Owen would have to eventually describe as a mainstream media TV studio. | ||
| No, no, no, no! | ||
| And, I mean, it goes all directions. | ||
| You know, we're a small thing, no other shows. | ||
| I put in an honest nine to five day at work. | ||
| But then, of course, there was actually another question about, like, the working on Edmund stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And he's like, yeah, I do extra hours on that. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| He doesn't, yeah. | ||
| Totally nine to five. | ||
| But still, you know, folksy. | ||
| And also, you know, the money. | ||
| Let's talk a little bit about where you get your funding. | ||
| When's the last time you had a corporate sponsor for InfoWars? | ||
| You had a big one? | ||
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| *laughs* | ||
| I had some corporate sponsors when I was against George W. Bush in the war. | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| We lost a lot as we were anti-war, but we still had some big ones. | ||
| I mean, we had, like, car companies, clothing lines, everything. | ||
| We were making a lot of money to expand the operation. | ||
| Going back to about 2005, up to when Obama got in. | ||
| And then being anti-war was not allowed anymore, for whatever reason. | ||
| I wasn't anti-Obama, I was anti-war. | ||
| So I continued with being anti-war. | ||
| And we lost all our sponsors. | ||
| I guess Alex is just forgetting about his decades-long business relationship with Midas Resources and his couple of attacks. | ||
| That one was fun. | ||
| Sure, these are... | ||
| Respectable sponsors like a car company, but it's pretty important to pretend that Alex had no institutional support around the time of Sandy Hook. | ||
| It was nothing. | ||
| It was just him in the wilderness. | ||
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And he lost so much for having his principles. | |
| This is why you have to tell people you took one. | ||
| And you go with Diamond Gusset. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And you say, we took one sponsor and they couldn't even get anybody's jeans right. | ||
| Diamond Gusset jeans. | ||
| And then we were done. | ||
| Self-funded from there on out. | ||
| I think it would be really difficult to pretend that Diamond Gusset decided not to sponsor Alex's show because he was against Obama. | ||
| Yeah, that one might be tough. | ||
| That one might be tough. | ||
| With their anti-NAFTA commercial. | ||
| I do like his bullshit on this one. | ||
| I was too anti-war! | ||
| Like a thing that people would believe him saying. | ||
| Where to hide your guns decided that, uh-oh, we don't want to be involved with this. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Anyway, Alex decides that, you know, maybe a good idea would be to try and red pill the jury. | ||
| Yeah, he did do that. | ||
| And so this is one of a couple of instances of that. | ||
| Well, take that clip earlier today. | ||
| At the beginning of the clip, I say I believe Scarlett Lewis is real. | ||
| I believe her son died. | ||
| I'm very, very sorry. | ||
| And they cut that off the front. | ||
| And then they cut me saying I'm sorry off the end. | ||
| And they brought a real clip, but it's synthetic, to try to deceive. | ||
| And I hope you get to see the real clip. | ||
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You'll see all the bullshit, man! | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was... | ||
| A moment where I was like, holy shit. | ||
| This can't be allowed to stand. | ||
| There were so many times where it was like he was trying to argue that, like, listen. | ||
| You and I both know what this is really about. | ||
| To the jury. | ||
| Like, he's saying to the jury, like, hey, listen. | ||
| I know you know that all this glitz and cord is nonsense. | ||
| Watch the clips in their full and you'll see that I'm right. | ||
| He's trying to convince them. | ||
| Like, listen, you're going to be one of us at the end of this trial. | ||
| He believed that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| This is a tough way to become an info warrior. | ||
| Trial by fire in the crucible. | ||
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You have accidentally enlisted. | |
| Oh boy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So another moment that I found particularly distasteful is when he started talking about his products. | ||
| Do you sell vitamins? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Are your vitamins FDA certified? | ||
| No, they're not. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| 1996 law, the FDA has no jurisdiction over any nutraceuticals, not the ones at Whole Foods, not the ones at GNC, and not ours. | ||
| And ours are private labeled top brands that are sold at Whole Foods at GNC. | ||
| We have it made by the top lab recognized in the United States. | ||
| All we do is put our label on it so we know it's triple tested, the highest quality. | ||
| And that's why people love it because it is the best out there. | ||
| And I'll give it to Whole Foods and I'll give it to GNC. | ||
| and others, they got to say stuff. | ||
| There's all sorts of crap you can buy at a gas station out there. | ||
| That's not what ours is. | ||
| I mean, we buy our PQQ and CoQ10 from the Japanese. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
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That was five times with synthetic PQQ and CoQ10. | |
| Under oath, I'd like to tell you that the 4th of July special is still going. | ||
| I am so mad that I wasn't allowed to laugh. | ||
| The moment he was like, we buy our PQQ from the Japanese. | ||
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Like, everybody in the courtroom is going to blow up. | |
| What? | ||
| The Japanese? | ||
| Everyone knows that the Japanese do not sell their PQQ to just anybody. | ||
| What is happening right now? | ||
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And the way he said it, the way he delivered it, too. | |
| Like, holy shit, I'm gonna blow their minds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| What an insane person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that really threw me for a loop. | ||
| Wild! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know that he had to have given Reynold that question to prompt him. | ||
| To sell. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| Maybe in Alex's head. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But I would imagine that Reynold believed that the setup of the question was to facilitate the... | ||
| Exploring Alex's revenue sources in as much as he sells vitamins and people look down on him because of it, but they're actually good. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I bet that that is the thrust of the question in the attorney's mind. | ||
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Right. | |
| Not that Alex is going to talk about getting PQQ from the Japanese. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| See, this is where I feel like... | ||
| Trying to apply the rules of normal logic to what's going on is because it's clear that Raynal thinks something is true, and Alex thinks something is true, and despite the fact that they're supposed to be on the same team, it is not the same thing. | ||
| I think that's probably a fair assessment, but then again, we're kind of, you know, objection speculation. | ||
| We're on the outside. | ||
| We're on the outside. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Sustained. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here Alex lies. | ||
| Let's discuss, for example, email. | ||
| How much? | ||
| What email does Infowars routinely get? | ||
| I mean, I know when we look to comply with the Discovery, which we complied with, it was over 10 million that they had a search that was still in the inbox, unopened. | ||
| So it was 10 million unopened and a few hundred thousand opened. | ||
| So Alex has said that he complied with Discovery, which is going to be a problem later. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And almost immediately later, because he says something else. | ||
| How many employees would Infowars have to have, in your view, if you were to actually read every message, every email, every tip that's sent in? | ||
| It would take 10, 15, 20 people we go bankrupt, which we are now. | ||
| Going back to... | ||
| I want to ask you a question. | ||
| There's a term that's been thrown around. | ||
| During this trial of the truther community or truth people, what does that... | ||
| That really depends on you, Mr. Bankston, whether you think I need to hear them now or later. | ||
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All right. | |
| We're going to just... | ||
| Just sit tight for a second. | ||
| We're going to take a break. | ||
| So Mark has stood up and said that we need to make a contemporaneous motion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's because Alex cannot say that he or his company are bankrupt in this part of the trial that they're in at this stage. | ||
| That's a claim that he could make in the portion about net worth, which is separated from the compensatory damages phase of the proceedings, but it would also probably be inappropriate at that point since it's not true. | ||
| This is why Mark asked to make these motions. | ||
| Alex has now said that he's bankrupt and that he complied with discovery in front of the jury, which are both deeply inappropriate things for him to do. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| He raises this concern, Mark does, and that leads to Judge Gamble dismissing the jury and then saying this. | ||
| I remember today watching part of Hessler's testimony when I was coming here and him talking about the bankruptcy, so I thought that was totally fine. | ||
| I mean, he gets to do what he gets to do. | ||
| Mr. Jones, stop making... | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He is confused, flummoxed. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And then this is the last clip from day one, and I think that this was something that was pretty cathartic for a lot of folks. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you may not say to this jury... | ||
| That you complied with discovery. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| You may not say it again. | ||
| You may not tell this jury that you are bankrupt. | ||
| That is also not true. | ||
| You may have filed for bankruptcy. | ||
| I don't know that, but I've heard that. | ||
| That doesn't make a person or a company bankrupt. | ||
| You're already under oath to tell the truth. | ||
| You've already violated that oath twice today. | ||
| Just those two examples. | ||
| It seems absurd to instruct you again that you must tell the truth while you testify. | ||
| Yet here I am. | ||
| You must tell the truth while you testify. | ||
| This is not your show. | ||
| You need to slow down and not take what you see as opportunities to further the message you're wanting to further and instead only answer the specific and exact question you have been asked. | ||
| No asides! | ||
| The comments about discovery, the comments about the larynx or whatever it was, the comments about bankruptcy, none of those were responsive to questions. | ||
| They were just you abusing my tolerance and making assides to the jury improperly and in at least two cases untruthfully. | ||
| Do you understand what I have said? | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| Do you understand what I have said? | ||
| Yes, I believe what I said was true. | ||
| Yes, you believe everything you say is true, but it isn't. | ||
| Your beliefs do not make something true. | ||
| That is what we're doing here. | ||
| Just because you claim to think something is true does not make it true. | ||
| It does not protect you. | ||
| It is not allowed. | ||
| You are under oath. | ||
| That means things must actually be true when you say them. | ||
| Don't talk. | ||
| You understand what I have said. | ||
| I do understand. | ||
| The don't talk there is... | ||
| So intense. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I believe what I said was true, and the response to that is at the crux of why debate with someone like Alex is pointless. | ||
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Yep. | |
| There is a complete disconnect from any objectivity, any belief in a reality that exists outside of what you want to be true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is hard in a courtroom setting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know, we've said before that any communication begins with the definition of terms kind of thing. | ||
| But that cannot be possible if somebody is speaking bird while you're trying to speak English. | ||
| You can't be like, oh, okay, cheap, cheap means, no, it's just not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| I can. | ||
| I can talk to birds, man. | ||
| I mean, it is satisfying to hear somebody have to be like, listen. | ||
| Objective reality is real. | ||
| I don't know how to... | ||
| She's flabbergasted by the idea that that needs to be introduced into court. | ||
| I have to introduce to you bedrock concepts of object permanence. | ||
| What is... | ||
| Is this a desk? | ||
| Tell me what is and is not for you so we can continue. | ||
| Don't speak. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| And I was subject to this as well. | ||
| The notion of... | ||
| Alex being under oath in the first deposition that came out. | ||
| There's a lot of people who are excited about the idea that Alex is finally going to not be able to lie. | ||
| Can't lie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I myself was intrigued by the possibility. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| And I think through watching them and engaging with the trial as it proceeded, I was not expecting the same things that a lot of people might have out of this trial. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I feel for the judge, for sure. | ||
| Having to preside over this is an impossible task. | ||
| And the notion that I think a lot of people are entering this with, or the perception, is that this trial, it doesn't exist in the context of the case that preceded it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You see her being kind of annoyed, and it's because Alex has pulled this shit repeatedly before. | ||
| Over and over and over and over again. | ||
| And, you know, I think in one interview that I did, I can't remember who it was with, but I made a point that, like, she looks like she's pissed off, but she's being so patient. | ||
| The context of this is missing if you only watch the trial. | ||
| And if you only watch the trial, I could understand coming away from it with the perception that, like... | ||
| She's not giving Alex an inch or whatever. | ||
| But there's a reason, and that's unfortunate that there's not a previously on before the trial. | ||
| And it is such a thing where she is doing such a great job because she is giving so much preferential treatment to the defense. | ||
| And let me try and explain that better. | ||
| Doesn't sound like you. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So if Alex was a normal person... | ||
| The fourth time you tell them they can't lie on the stand, there has to be some consequence. | ||
| Well, that's when you bring out the stocks. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| But a normal person would never let it get that far, so we don't even know how to deal with this. | ||
| Because if you do that, that's what he wants. | ||
| He wants you to say, oh, I have to go to jail for lying. | ||
| They're locking me up for telling the truth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, that's what he's going for. | ||
| Or like, hey, Alex, why don't you put that bumper sticker on your mouth? | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| So there's just this constant push and pull between her being like, I have to treat you like a screaming, whiny baby, and at the same time, I have to treat this like we're in an actual courtroom. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be treated like a screaming, whiny baby because that's what your behavior is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And at the same time, you have to be treated like an adult because you're facing adult consequences for your adult actions. | ||
| And yeah, it's a difficult position to be in. | ||
| I'm not jealous of that. | ||
| There's a lot that she... | ||
| Wouldn't have ever allowed the plaintiffs to get away with legally simply because she's like, you're adults. | ||
| I have to hold you to a standard that I'm not holding these fourth graders to. | ||
| And that she did give them that preferential treatment is both like starkly unfair and yet at the same time the only way to have this trial. | ||
| Well, to be totally fair, I don't know if it's appropriate to call it preferential treatment, but... | ||
| Gave a lot of patience, a lot of wide berth, like, alright, I'm not going to hold you in contempt for clearly lying under oath. | ||
| For doing the thing that we hold people in contempt for. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| There was a lot of generous approach to punishing Alex, and he still couldn't operate within that space. | ||
| Just couldn't do it. | ||
| So we go to the second day now, because this is where they took the break for the day. | ||
| It was about 5 o 'clock. | ||
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| And so Alex returns under oath, and there's still the direct questioning. | ||
| Raynall is still giving him questions. | ||
| And unfortunately, the law and crime video of this is missing the first 10 minutes or so. | ||
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Ah! | |
| And so the beginning of this is establishing that Alex kind of had less connection with those weirdos than maybe he actually did. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| This is the part where he's trying to say that he really didn't know Steve or Wolfgang, especially not the Kraken. | ||
| He throws Steve under the bus pretty hard. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| I would not be happy if I was Steve. | ||
| Reached out for comment, Steve. | ||
| Mom on the subject. | ||
| Which is funny because in the first week of the trial, Steve Pachenik was one of the names that Raynal brought up to Becca, being like, whenever he was on his array of, do you think this person's a racist? | ||
| Do you think this person's a racist? | ||
| Stevie P's name came up as a defendable name, along with Stefan Molyneux. | ||
| It was absurd. | ||
| Is Stefan Molyneux racist? | ||
| Yes, he said so. | ||
| Yeah, he said so real loud. | ||
| Is Steve Pachanek a racist? | ||
| I don't know, he definitely has weird feelings about Jewish people. | ||
| He hates them. | ||
| Yeah, the beginning portion of this is really trying to downplay the connections and Alex's associations with the major players. | ||
| And some of them, I think, are kind of like, eh, you could actually get away with this. | ||
| I don't think that him and James Tracy had that much connection. | ||
| Sure, I can see that. | ||
| And I think Alex should be hanging his hat far more on the fact that Paul Joseph Watson's interview with James Tracy, the initial one, was like... | ||
| A little bit adversarial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe not as much as an actual responsible journalist would. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But Paul did push back on the idea that there were actors. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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And such. | |
| In the same way the court grades on a curve for the fifth graders, Paul has proven himself to be in seventh grade. | ||
| Strong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Steve does come up here, and Alex has an interesting perception on what he did. | ||
| During that time, you interviewed Steve Pachenik. | ||
| About the story. | ||
| Why did you pick him? | ||
| Did you reach out to him? | ||
| Did he reach out to you? | ||
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How did that? | |
| I reviewed the video, but it was a few weeks ago. | ||
| I mean, I believe he was on other subjects, and I believe it came up. | ||
| And then I believe, if you're talking about it, I think I argued with him about it being totally staged. | ||
| that I'm sound hard to believe. | ||
| This isn't really accurate. | ||
| Alex didn't argue with Steve, but it also wouldn't, it would be a mischaracterization to say that he gave Steve a full backing in his claims. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Alex was interested in the theories and was like, oh, we got a top expert saying it's fake. | |
| But he didn't really commit to it in that interview. | ||
| And Steve was on for something else. | ||
| He was pretending to be Alex's on-the-scene reporter in the demilitarized zone because Alex was trying to drum up panic about how North Korea Oh, God, I remember that. | ||
| He said he was in Korea. | ||
| He said he was inside. | ||
| Hanging out with soldiers from both sides. | ||
| The country of Korea. | ||
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From Florida, he claimed that. | |
| I have no evidence. | ||
| No, I think that there is a really decent chance that he was on a vacation to South Korea. | ||
| Because I have seen some pictures that he posted of him in various touristy places in South Korea. | ||
| Well done, I'll give you that one. | ||
| That's possible, and then he just pretended he was at the DMZ. | ||
| I'm not doing DMZ, but I'll give him vacation. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's possible. | ||
| So, in this course of questioning, I think that... | ||
| Alex, the goal that he had was to present this image that his life was really in trouble around the time that Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| Poor me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you tell us what led you to have Wolfgang Halvig on in 2014? | ||
| He was on a lot of shows, and he had a group of bullet points, and my producer set him up on the show, so I had him on. | ||
| At the time, what, if anything, else was going on in your life? | ||
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My family was falling apart. | |
| I was in divorce. | ||
| So weird, like, attempt to paint a picture of, like, if you weren't getting divorced, you wouldn't have booked Wolfgang Halbig on your show? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| This got weird. | ||
| Yeah, this whole section where he's, his whole woe is me thing. | ||
| I mean, I know that they wanted it to come off as though he was a person who was also suffering, but it really just came off more like, are you going to do this here? | ||
| Yeah, it was strange. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he also tries to blame Steve more, which if I were Steve, I would not appreciate. | ||
| And I would probably attack Alex because you're a crazy old man and you got nothing to lose. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A video received in evidence of you stating your belief at that time that no one died at Sandy Hook, that the whole thing was fake. | ||
| Do you understand, as you sit here today, how crazy that is? | ||
| I have said before that there have been so many lies and so many things in the past, and I was under a lot of pressure. | ||
| And I truly, when I said those statements, when I say something, I mean it. | ||
| Except for what my wife is doing. | ||
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Except for what my wife is doing. | |
| It was totally staged at that point. | ||
| And I was basing that off of really Steve Buchenich, who has been a very prestigious person. | ||
| Do you understand now that it was absolutely irresponsible of you to do that? | ||
| It was, especially since I met the parents. | ||
| And it's 100% real, as I said on the radio yesterday. | ||
| And as I said here yesterday, it's 100% real. | ||
| And the media still ran with lies that I was saying it wasn't real on air yesterday. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
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They won't let me take it back. | |
| They just want to keep me in the position of being the Sandy Hook man. | ||
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My son got confronted yesterday. | |
| Objection speculation as to what the media wants. | ||
| Mr. Jones is just a test. | ||
| Being on the show. | ||
| Sustained. | ||
| Woe is me! | ||
| Alex is the real victim here. | ||
| Although I think Steve needs to get on YouTube and cut a video about Alex throwing him under the bus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wants to be the one the media claims is the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on, Steve. | ||
| Start a public battle. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| For both of them. | ||
| But mostly for me. | ||
| But then who's David Knight gonna side with? | ||
| Boy, I feel like it's all old dudes against Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Old dudes against Alex's young guards. | ||
| Shirts versus skin. | ||
| I would like to see... | ||
| David Knight and Steve Pachanik reach detente over some kind of a, like... | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| But some desire to spill the tea on Alex. | ||
| A final team-up of Grumpy Old Men 3. Also, by the way, is this the first time that detente and spill the tea have been used in the same sentence? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The French had a lot of things to say. | ||
| C 'est vrai. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| What? | ||
| Accurate. | ||
| No, that's going off the rails. | ||
| Vray. | ||
| Vray. | ||
| This is a testimony worthy of this trial. | ||
| So, Alex says something about his realization that Sandy Hook was real in this next clip, and I found this deeply troubling. | ||
| At the end, or at the middle of 2015, in July 2015, you stopped, Infowars stopped covering Sandy Hook. | ||
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| Why did you stop? | ||
| Because Halbig was saying that I was involved in Sandy Hook because I wouldn't have him on and I started finding out that some of the things that the anomalies they had put forward weren't true and I just ended my divorce and just kind of got my head cleaned up and stopped drinking for a while and | ||
| realized that So this is disturbing because there does seem to be a pattern of Alex discussing his drinking as it relates to his actions involving Sandy Hook. | ||
| We've seen it in an interview and now under oath, and honestly, it's indicative of a very serious substance abuse problem. | ||
| Drunk or sober, Alex is an asshole and deserves the consequences of his actions, but I want to draw sharp focus to the difference in how Alex talks about the issue depending on his surroundings. | ||
| Here in court, Alex is discussing his realization that Sandy Hook actually happened about sometime in 2015. | ||
| There's absolutely no prompt for him to bring up that he had stopped drinking for a while as an explanation for his supposed period of clarity, but he does, which leads me to believe that it means something to him. | ||
| I don't think that it's true, but I do believe that he probably was going through a lot and stopped drinking for a while around the end of 2015. | ||
| This is all being said in service of humanizing Alex and minimizing the things that he did. | ||
| He was going through a lot and was drinking a ton, but once he got sober, he realized that he was wrong and changed his behaviors. | ||
| Except in reality, he didn't. | ||
| He was still doing his show wasted years past this point, and he didn't change his behavior in any meaningful way. | ||
| He still just ran with bullshit stories from bullshit sources and defamed people regularly. | ||
| But he wants the perception to be that this was just a bad pocket in his life when all these negative influences led him to drink and his judgment was weakened. | ||
| He doesn't want the jury to know that he got right back to the heavy drinking and bullshitting with Steve Pachenik basically the next week, because that kind of cheapens whatever fake display of penitence he's trying to put on here. | ||
| But the other time Alex discussed his drinking in relation to Sandy Hook was a lot different. | ||
| In the Glenn Greenwald Q&A, Alex was joking about how he defamed grieving parents and caused immeasurable pain in their lives by saying that he didn't know what he was doing and drank a bottle of vodka that day. | ||
| It wasn't a person expressing this as a negative thing, it was Alex trying to appear I find this dynamic deeply upsetting, and the only conclusion I can come to is that Alex was drinking on air a lot during this stretch, and that he probably... | ||
| He has a way bigger problem than even I think, and I have been chastised for begging people in his life to get him help a bunch in the past. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Anyway, a lot of this falls on deaf ears to me in a courtroom setting. | ||
| I would take him more seriously if he took the tone that he did in the Q&A while on the stand, but that's not going to happen, because there's no cool kids to impress there. | ||
| But if he was on the stand and he's like, I drank a bottle of vodka, I would be like, alright. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| You're being an asshole, but it's consistent. | ||
| How do you say that in a courtroom? | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| Because to me, what you just said is, nah, come on, it wasn't that bad whenever I hit him. | ||
| I was drunk driving. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I don't know how you say that in a courtroom. | ||
| It's a situation that is ostensibly you also saying that you believe it's 100% real. | ||
| But you were only drunk driving because you were in an ugly divorce. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| But even then, you're saying that... | ||
| So it really is ex-wife's fault. | ||
| You're saying that you said that when you were drunk, and now you're saying that it's 100% real. | ||
| Are you drunk or are you sober? | ||
| And does it matter? | ||
| I mean, if that's your reasoning here, then it doesn't matter. | ||
| You know, when they reported it, he said it was 100% true. | ||
| There's a part of me that's like, well, was he drunk? | ||
| Because that doesn't mean... | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Then it means the same amount either way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's just a way for him to contextualize his actions by looking at his past self as... | ||
| The drunk self. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's not me. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| And that can be definitely true for people who get help. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, I'm not saying that, you know, who you are when you're in your addiction is necessarily who you have to be for the rest of your life. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Recovery is possible and all that. | ||
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| But Alex has not done any of that stuff. | ||
| And so him trying to pretend like this past self is somebody that I own up to being, but it is not characteristic of me, it's a false perception. | ||
| Abuse of people's understanding of substance abuse problems. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| He did mushrooms with Mike Tyson on his fucking show a month ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or whatever. | ||
| No, I mean, part of... | ||
| Listen, you do have to own up to consequences for your behavior, regardless of whether you are an addict or not. | ||
| That's part of recovery, though. | ||
| That's part of what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's not even owning up to his behavior in a fucking courtroom. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because all this is ingenuine and just an attempt to feel less bad about himself. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This whole situation is not about the parents for him. | ||
| It is entirely about him trying to feel good about himself. | ||
| Yeah, and trying to make rationalizations for things. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, the Kraken comes up. | ||
| Dan Badandi. | ||
| Alex definitely does not want to be associated with him. | ||
| Which makes sense. | ||
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| During that time, there was a reporter working hard. | ||
| Yeah, you shouldn't have said reporter, remember? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was a part-time reporter. | ||
| Oof, we weren't supposed to say that. | ||
| He was a really nice guy, but we were being more comedy-based part of the show then, and so Rob's like, this guy's like a Howard Stern character. | ||
| And so he hired him to do some funny stuff, but he wanted to do serious stuff. | ||
| Oh, man, he's like your whack pack. | ||
| So the comedy that Dan Badondi was doing was things like going to that FOIA hearing with Wolfgang Halbig. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| Or like when he interrupted the Boston bombing, the press conference that the police were giving while... | ||
| The Czarnev brothers were still on the loose and unidentified. | ||
| Right, but at least he didn't say that he was specifically harassing people. | ||
| He said he was being a hilarious jokester, right? | ||
| I mean, look, this is such bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For every reason. | ||
| Oh man, so many reasons. | ||
| And Alex saying that he didn't approve of this stuff. | ||
| Go back and listen to those Boston bombing episodes where he's like... | ||
| Over the moon. | ||
| And just like celebrating Dan Badandi interrupting this press conference and yelling Infowars.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And like, yeah, you approved of all of it. | ||
| You were making a joke of serious things. | ||
| That's what you were doing with him. | ||
| And you just don't want to own up to the pain it caused. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, this whole defense has largely circled around the idea that you have to watch the full clips. | ||
| So, at this point, Raynall puts on a very long video of Alex's. | ||
| Now, the things that are a problem here, some of them we're going to get into, but also, the video includes Alex... | ||
| Repeating the claims that Wolfgang Halbig said. | ||
| So this is supposed to be his big apology. | ||
| And at the same time, he's like, why did the school have no traffic online? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The kid's like, okay. | ||
| You know all this isn't true. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was wild for them to insist on playing the full clip. | ||
| The full clip of which was more damning than the shorter clip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would argue. | ||
| So outside of the... | ||
| Just the repetition of Wolfgang's points and the conspiracies around Sandy Hook, which I don't think helped their case. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There were some other things that I thought would be interesting to point out. | ||
| Here's the first one. | ||
| So let's look at these stories here. | ||
| A new Ben Garrison cartoon based, of course, on my original term. | ||
| Dinosaur Media. | ||
| You've got ISIS working with MSM, CNN. | ||
| You've got NBC. | ||
| They're down in the water hole getting their money. | ||
| And here comes Stefan Molyneux. | ||
| Here comes Paul Watson. | ||
| Here comes Cernovich. | ||
| Here comes the Info Wars. | ||
| Here comes Drudge. | ||
| Here comes Breitbart. | ||
| Yeah, back then, Molyneux was completely fine. | ||
| Just put him in there. | ||
| Stefan, I am a white now. | ||
| Nationalist Molyneux. | ||
| Stefan Molyneux, Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| You know, you had a real different climate in the time that Alex made this video. | ||
| You're so different, yeah. | ||
| All those players are so different. | ||
| Well, I mean, they didn't have to snub Molyneux because he spoke a little bit too openly. | ||
| Shouldn't have spoken like a... | ||
| If I were Molyneux, I'd be pissed. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Like all you assholes. | ||
| All of you guys... | ||
| You guys are open white nationalists now! | ||
| Why don't I get to be coming back? | ||
| Did you ever see that video of Owen Benjamin after the intellectual dark web started not liking him? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| There's a video of him drinking beer and complaining about all the intellectual dark web people who don't like him anymore because he got kicked off Twitter. | ||
| It's just the same thing. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| Yes, you should be pissed off at your friends who don't like you anymore because you spoke too openly about the things that you all believe. | ||
| You all believe the same shit. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You just said some slurs and all of a sudden you're too toxic to be a part of. | ||
| I feel like Stefan Molyneux should definitely feel The content that he was putting out when everybody was buddy-buddy with him is just as offensive as the stuff that he puts out later, which is a little bit clearer later. | ||
| I think the way that I would describe the feeling that they must have is they're all over the line. | ||
| These are all people who are Wile E. Coyote who have already jumped off the edge of the cliff. | ||
| And if you say the slur, that's like you telling everybody else. | ||
| Oh, look, we're floating. | ||
| And then you fall. | ||
| And they're like, good thing we're not floating. | ||
| We're just standing on solid ground right now. | ||
| I honestly was never running with that guy to begin with. | ||
| Yeah, I've never even seen it. | ||
| Look at how far down he is. | ||
| It's crazy how far down he is. | ||
| So Alex discusses in this clip that they're playing in court this coverage of him that is actually pretty good. | ||
| there's one person who's done a great job. | ||
| This is an excellent article from Zero Hedge. | ||
| Alice Jones implores NBC not to air interview with liar Megan Kelly. | ||
| This article better than anyone I've seen. | ||
| I'm going to post on Infowars.com. | ||
| It's exactly how I feel. | ||
| What's actually happened is from iBankCoin.com originally. | ||
| It's from Zero Point Now as who posted it. | ||
| This article, I need to get this person to write for Infowars. | ||
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They absolutely get what I stand. | |
| They're journalists. | ||
| They actually reported on what I said. | ||
| They showed my quotes going back over years saying, I don't know what happened, but it's got more holes out of the Swiss cheese and, you know, I believe kids die, but it needs to be investigated. | ||
| Zero Point Now is the person who wrote the article that Owen was relying on when he defamed Heslon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Owen is Zero Point Now's puppet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, literally. | ||
| Zero point out, I bank coin. | ||
| Under oath, Owen is his puppet. | ||
| He's his puppet. | ||
| Yeah, so it was just interesting to see this pop up here, because this is also in a very close time frame with when Owen made that video. | ||
| Because Alex is talking about how he doesn't want the Megyn Kelly interview to air, so it's after he's shot it, but before it airs, it's in that pocket, and then Owen shoots that video pretty much... | ||
| Closely after the Megyn Kelly interview airs as a response to it. | ||
| So what you have here is Alex wanting to hire the person who wrote the article that Owen relied on to create defamatory content. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Fun. | ||
| Yeah, it is amazing to me that, one, the defense only used the plaintiff's evidence, which is usually a bad sign. | ||
| And two... | ||
| That in so doing, they have made the plaintiff's case really, really well. | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Reynold comes back, and he wants to have Alex say that Sandy Hook is real and not a conspiracy. | ||
| He wants that so bad! | ||
| So here's the first attempt. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| As you sit here today, what are your beliefs around the Sandy Hook school street? | ||
| Oh, I've certainly studied it now, and I should have done a better job studying it. | ||
| That's an apology, right? | ||
| There was an initial cover-up of what happened, in my view, because... | ||
| I'm sorry, wait, are you questioning Sandy Hook on the stand? | ||
| Those children really died. | ||
| And they had a cover-up there. | ||
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It's admitted. | |
| There's now state investigations of the cover-up. | ||
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The Texas Rangers are on it. | |
| And the governor said it's an outrageous cover-up. | ||
| And it's incompetence is what it was. | ||
| And I thought it was incompetent what happened in Florida a few years ago. | ||
| What's the question? | ||
| Yeah, so Alex rambles, gets caught off into talking about Uvalde, because he latches onto the idea of a cover-up, and he feels the need to defend this cover-up idea, so he jumps to Uvalde, gets an objection. | ||
| So now here's the second attempt. | ||
| Let's go for it again. | ||
| My question was, as you sit here today, what is your position, your view on what happened, the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012? | ||
| A young man on psychotropic drugs, and the inserts on those say can make you do mass shootings, mass murders, as he says it on the insert. | ||
| I think we're coming really close to contempt here. | ||
| I'm re-objecting in for your say. | ||
| So Alex now says his pharmaceuticals talking point and feels the need to defend the pharmaceuticals talking point. | ||
| And so he goes down that road, hits another objection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so at this point, Raynall just gives up. | ||
| Yeah, he quit. | ||
| He said, I'm going to move on. | ||
| And then Alex, of his own volition, decides to try a third time. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he whiffs it again. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| I'll move on. | ||
| You're asking what I think Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| And I think it's a terrible event. | ||
| And I think we need to protect our children from mentally ill psychopaths. | ||
| And I think there was a cover-up because they had warnings. | ||
| The FBI knew about it. | ||
| They knew he was planning to attack the school. | ||
| That's been in even the New York Times. | ||
| And I think once that... | ||
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Well, right now, there's actually no question. | |
| You're just talking. | ||
| And this is not a conversation. | ||
| And it's not a show. | ||
| It's a question. | ||
| Answer to the question asked of you. | ||
| So that objection is sustained, and we need another question. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex had three tries there to say something. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Very simple. | ||
| So simple. | ||
| And could not help himself from creating conspiracy yarns. | ||
| So we have one last question from Ray Nall. | ||
| I just hope in my entire life that I never hear Mark... | ||
| Say something with the amount of smile in his voice. | ||
| I don't ever want to hear that. | ||
| That's a bad sound. | ||
| Getting close to contempt. | ||
| That's a bad sound. | ||
| That makes me feel like some danger is around the corner. | ||
| And it should, because it was. | ||
| So, like I said, Rinaldo has one last question that we're going to look at, and it's a doozy. | ||
| When you look back on your 20-plus years in the media, what are you most proud of? | ||
| I'm most proud of early on exposing that the WMDs were in Iraq and it was a fraud and it was a lie. | ||
| And I'm very, very proud of being the first to expose Jeffrey Epstein and his child trafficking ranks. | ||
| We're on record to be the first to expose that a decade before anybody else by name. | ||
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Even exposing the island and the rest of it from our sources. | |
| So Alex definitely wasn't the first to report on WMDs in Iraq and the questionable intelligence surrounding the story. | ||
| Even though he was correct to be skeptical of that story, his skepticism was childish and it was just a knee-jerk response. | ||
| It wasn't based on anything other than his own whim, so I guess he can brag that he got that one right. | ||
| But you can't really take any credit for doing any work on the subject or even covering it competently. | ||
| As we've seen, his Iraq war coverage in 2003 is embarrassing stuff. | ||
| From the insistence that the Ba 'ath Party were being reinstalled to rule the country while debathification was taking place, to his unsupported weeks-long assertion that Saddam's kids weren't killed and were in Belarus with their father, to his really shitty coverage of David Kelly's suicide. | ||
| The larger picture that you get from that time is of a person who's not really working As for Epstein... | ||
| I really want to challenge this, because I don't believe this at all. | ||
| I've listened to Alex from a lot of periods of his career, and I've never heard him bring up Epstein except after larger media covered the story. | ||
| I don't believe at all that Alex was covering Epstein, let alone covering him by name, ten years before the mainstream. | ||
| I believe that Alex has convinced himself of his own bullshit, like we talked about earlier. | ||
| From as far back as I can find, Alex... | ||
| Basically believes the satanic panic type stuff was real. | ||
| Things like the McMartin school case were actually real. | ||
| And he based a lot of that off that insane shit that Ted Gunderson apparently had told him. | ||
| I do accept that Alex has talked about his fantasies of satanic groups kidnapping and abusing children for a long time. | ||
| And I think what he's done is retroactively connect Epstein to that coverage so he can claim he was on the story all along, like how his first documentary was about the Great Reset. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'm open to anyone providing me with evidence that Alex was talking about Epstein by name, about his island, and the sex crimes ten years before everyone else. | ||
| And if they do, I will reevaluate my position. | ||
| But I've looked, and I can find no evidence that this claim that I've even looked through the Alex Jones predictions section on his website, where he posts all the videos of him ostensibly being right about all these things way back in the past, and I can't find any video of him being way ahead of the curve on Epstein. | ||
| And thus, this answer Alex is giving feels accurate. | ||
| He's asked to say what he's most proud of in his career and what he comes up with is one story that half the country got right and the other is something that is almost certainly not true. | ||
| There's nothing in his career to be proud of. | ||
| He's spouted meaningless bullshit for two decades and I'll definitely applaud him for dragging it out that long, but beyond that, his career has meant nothing but other people's pain and him profiting from it. | ||
| Yeah, if that was me, I would have said nothing. | ||
| I would have been like, you know what, I don't really want to answer this question. | ||
| We've launched so many media stars. | ||
| Reset Wars! | ||
| Oh no, that's not good. | ||
| What else do we got? | ||
| I've made a lot of money. | ||
| Jakari Jackson published a children's book, I think. | ||
| That was pretty cool. | ||
| That was after Evil Wars. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Anyway, cross-examination starts. | ||
| Oh boy, this is fun. | ||
| Fireworks happens. | ||
| A little bit down the road, yeah. | ||
| But first, Mark's initial strategy in the beginning of this is to impeach Alex as a credible witness. | ||
| And so to do that, he sets a couple traps. | ||
| Before I talk to you about the details of the history of this case, I want to know. | ||
| You're taking this trial seriously? | ||
| You're approaching it in good faith? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The truth is, you and your company want the world to believe that this judge is reading this court proceeding to make sure that a script, a literal script, is being followed. | ||
| That's what you want the world to believe, right? | ||
| Aren't I barred from talking about this? | ||
| I'm asking you the question, Mr. Jones. | ||
| The way the court works is you answer a question until there's an objection. | ||
| Let me ask you the question again, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Make sure you understand it very clearly. | ||
| You and your company want the world to believe that this judge is reading this court proceeding so that a script, and I mean a literal script, is being followed. | ||
| That's what you want the world to believe. | ||
| I believe when you're given a court order that you cannot say you're innocent, that that's not America, and the court order's right there on the table. | ||
| I've been told I can't say I'm innocent. | ||
| So you need to answer the question that is asked. | ||
| I asked you this question. | ||
| Yes or no, that's what you want the world to believe. | ||
| No, I believe the jury's real, and I believe that I'm innocent until proven guilty, and I believe a jury should decide my guilt. | ||
| Your Honor, at this time we'd like to offer a clip from Infowars on Friday for the purposes of impeachment in which those exact words were said. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
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Oops. | |
| So that happens, and then it immediately leads into another trap. | ||
| One of the things you've been talking about a lot recently on your show, even within the past couple months, is your allegation that government officials are aiding in pedophilia. | ||
| Child trafficking and the grooming of children, right? | ||
| You mean like what Jeffrey Epstein did with the cleanse? | ||
| Sure, if that's a yes, is that a yes? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And on Thursday, you and Infowars started connecting those allegations to our judge, didn't you? | ||
| No. | ||
| In fact, Mr. Jones, you're telling the world not to believe what happens in this courtroom because the judge... | ||
| Worked with Child Protective Services, who you say is involved with pedophilia and child trafficking, correct? | ||
| Not all of it, but the Texas Youth Commission got caught doing it, and there's been a lot of that here. | ||
| I'm not asking you that, Mr. Jones. | ||
| I'm asking you, you're telling the world not to believe what's happened in this trial, because this judge is involved with CPS, who is working with child traffickers and pedophilia, correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not what I'm saying. | ||
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| Your Honor, at this time we would like to show a clip from Mr. Jones' show on Thursday where those words are said. | ||
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Oops. | |
| Oops. | ||
| And there's, of course, a third rate. | ||
| Why wouldn't there? | ||
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Tell your jury you're taking this trial seriously. | |
| You're telling the world that someone inside Travis County government rigged the jury summons and picked these jurors specifically. | ||
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Who don't know what planet they are on. | |
| Correct? | ||
| That's what you're talking about. | ||
| I'm saying that that could potentially be a danger if they don't know what's going on. | ||
| Because potentially is what you're saying. | ||
| Potentially. | ||
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You didn't go on your show and say those words is what you're going to tell me. | |
| Can you show me? | ||
| I would be happy to. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| This reminds me so much of the deposition where it's like, okay, we're on try number three. | ||
| How do you not realize that when he says, did you say those words, he's going to play the clip? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, you know, answering yes. | ||
| That is a chaotic option. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But you have to answer, yes, it's a show. | ||
| You have to answer with yes and then something. | ||
| You can't say no because he's just going to go, let's go to the clip. | ||
| That is an option. | ||
| But no matter what, what you end up with is like, okay, we've demonstrated that Alex is an untrustworthy person. | ||
| This is all bullshit. | ||
| It's not a witness that you should take seriously your trust. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| No, he's got no winning position. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So Mark tries to bring up the video that Raynall played and the whole thing about how, hey, you just repeated all the claims. | ||
| About the school not being real. | ||
| And you realize that if you do that, then you are once again denying Sandy Hook. | ||
| Yeah, and I think this is about two minutes, and it is a really good encapsulation of why it is useless to try to get Alex to recognize points that he doesn't want to recognize. | ||
| Do you remember them talking about the FBI crime stats saying no one killed in Sandy Hook that you read in that 2017? | ||
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That was the headlines, yes. | |
| What headline? | ||
| Your headline. | ||
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But that's what it said. | |
| No, it didn't, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Do you admit that now? | ||
| The FBI did not have a crime stat? | ||
| I mean, I admit we later learned that in the full report, they don't report those in that state. | ||
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They do, I think, everywhere else. | |
| Mr. Jones, we've heard a lot of testimony about the FBI crime stat and how that got wrong. | ||
| We heard that from Mr. Salazar. | ||
| Were you in the courtroom for that? | ||
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I think I was a different part of it. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So, you probably heard Mr. Salazar how he messed that up, right? | ||
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I mean, I think we admit we messed that up. | |
| Right, but you were still saying it in 2017. | ||
| At a time where you want this jury to believe you were saying it really happened, you in 2017 were saying the FBI says nobody died. | ||
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I said it on the video. | |
| I thought I'd have one five times. | ||
| Yeah, just like Megyn Kelly said in your interview, you want to have it all waged, don't you, Mr. Jones? | ||
| No, I think Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| Yeah, but if Sandy Hook happened, then that means there's not an FBI crime stat where nobody died. | ||
| It means that there was website traffic. | ||
| It means that nobody ate their food inside the school. | ||
| All these things you're saying are false. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I'd have to review all of it again. | ||
| Ten minutes ago, we saw a video of you saying no EMTs entered the building. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| You remember saying that? | ||
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I'd have to see the timelines of what you're speaking about. | |
| I'm asking you if when we broke from your break, when your attorney put up the video that he really wanted this jury to see, how fair you were being about Sandy Hook, you said no paramedics injured the building. | ||
| Right? | ||
| In a certain time frame. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
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I'd have to see the time frame you're talking about. | |
| What do you mean time frame? | ||
| You said they never entered the building. | ||
| Never entered it? | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| And you said that for years. | ||
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I think you're taken out of context. | |
| Right, because they had to keep him out of the building, because otherwise you'd have to pay off all the EMTs, because they'd get in the building and they'd see there's no bodies. | ||
| That's what you told your audience. | ||
| You've told them that many times. | ||
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I don't remember what you're talking about. | |
| See, this is the next stage of the, you have to watch the full clip. | ||
| Never gonna win. | ||
| Because they watched the full clip, and now it had some stuff that Alex probably didn't realize. | ||
| Word Forgotten was in it. | ||
| Didn't want that. | ||
| And so now these are questions that are coming up. | ||
| We have watched the full clip. | ||
| Oh, it's out of context. | ||
| I need to see the timeline. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| There's always going to be an excuse for why there isn't complete information in front of you that is exculpatory in some way for Alex, and it's bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fascinating to me to listen to this and to realize, like, this is also confirmation bias. | ||
| And saw what they wanted to see, and then were like, well, obviously, this is a great clip. | ||
| It didn't even occur to them that the other stuff inside the clip could also be used to question Alex. | ||
| Well, I think maybe they approach it from maybe a perspective that I had when we were going over the Sandy Hook immediate aftermath. | ||
| And that is that I had a singular focus on trying to figure out, like, the Actual, literal claim of actors. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so when I was going over the time frame in 2012 into 2013, there was a, like, oh, Alex isn't quite there yet, or whatever. | ||
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| We did have that conversation. | ||
| And through the case and understanding a little bit more about... | ||
| What was going on and all that. | ||
| My perspective has changed in terms of like, oh yeah, you said it was a false flag immediately, basically. | ||
| And it had different incarnations of what his theories were and stuff. | ||
| But when I was approaching it with the most generous possible approach and reading of things, I might have heard him say something like, Why didn't the paramedics arrive or whatever? | ||
| And not be like, okay, this is him denying Sandy Hook. | ||
| And I think that probably when looking at the clip, there was like, he didn't say actors anymore. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And I think that that might be just part of how they are oblivious of what is being said to them. | ||
| I also feel like you just brought up a really, really good point in the way that you view that. | ||
| When we talk about denying Sandy Hook or Alex denying Sandy Hook, I think a lot of people are talking about him saying this didn't happen. | ||
| What it is is an amorphous blob. | ||
| All of what he has to say is denying that Sandy Hook didn't happen. | ||
| In a sense like, okay, so he's saying I 100% believe it's real, but I question the official narrative. | ||
| That is just... | ||
| Part of the amorphous blob of denying Sandy Hook. | ||
| So when he says that, what he's really doing is signaling that he's still denying Sandy Hook on whatever level he can cling to. | ||
| So there will not be a resolution where he says it's 100% real if he also says, but I question the official story. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| You can't say it's 100% real and then rattle off all of Wolfgang Halbig's reasons why he believes it. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And if you're even saying that there are things to question, then you're saying that you were right to question them, and you are saying that there are questions, which there weren't about Sandy Hook! | ||
| I actually have to take issue with that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I think that, first of all, what Alex was doing wasn't questioning. | ||
| And so you're falling into the framing there. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Because I think that it is okay to question things. | ||
| You know, like, what is a journalist doing other than asking the who, what, where, why, when, how? | ||
| I meant when he was in court. | ||
| That day, when he said, but I still, I question the official narrative. | ||
| In court, I mean that. | ||
| Outside of that, you know, like, yeah, of course. | ||
| Well, questioning the official narrative is okay until you get an answer, and he had answers. | ||
| Well, I mean, yes, that is what I'm saying. | ||
| In 2022, if he's saying, I had questions. | ||
| If he still says, I have questions about the official narrative, in 2022, exactly. | ||
| But I think that was a, no, that was in December, that was last year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it was 2021. | ||
| 2021, my bad, my bad. | ||
| You know, I'm so, Unspecific. | ||
| That's my problem. | ||
| So, Mark, the big moment in the cross-examination, of course, is the revelation of these text messages. | ||
| Beautiful moment. | ||
| We all loved it. | ||
| But I think a lot of the coverage surrounding this is missing the point of these text messages. | ||
| Obviously, there is the juicy idea of what could be in there. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think a lot of people are setting themselves up for real disappointment. | ||
| No, Geraldo found everything in that safe. | ||
| This isn't based on any kind of inside information that I have or anything, so don't take this as me being like, I know X, Y, or Z. Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But I see stories about... | ||
| The notion that Trump's raid was about Alex's text or January 6th is going to be blown wide open. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| There is a desire to expand things and take the what-ifs and give more credence to them. | ||
| And I think people are falling into that, whether it's through headline writing or tweets. | ||
| And I would advise caution just to like, hey, we'll see what happens. | ||
| We'll see what's there. | ||
| But let's not write a story in advance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you get that, though. | ||
| You hear we have this, how can we not say it, tranche of text messages. | ||
| And your mind immediately goes to like, oh, what could be? | ||
| And you can't not think to yourself... | ||
| It is entirely possible, because we live in the weird world we live in, that Alex, Roger, Trump, and Mike Pompeo might have had a group text where they're like, let's overthrow the country on the 6th. | ||
| You can't not think in your brain that kind of ridiculous thing is possible. | ||
| The world has gone cuckoo. | ||
| Right, but then you also have to remember, no, that is not how it works. | ||
| And these are Alex's text messages. | ||
| This is not a big player in the game, you know? | ||
| Yeah, and there may be pieces of information that are relevant. | ||
| we'll know when we know. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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But for now, don't get ahead of yourself because if you do, you end up cooking yourself or backing yourself into a position where you're like, you've basically created a storyline and if reality doesn't live up to that, it's disappointing. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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And I think that if we've learned anything in the past, Couple of attempts at impeachment. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe should be a little careful about setting expectations in a reasonable place, but... | ||
| The reason that I, where I started with this, I think that the media is absolutely missing the concrete reality of the text messages' use in this case. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And why they came up in the cross-examination in the way that they did. | ||
| And so Mark begins to get into this, and this is really where the Paul text is most important. | ||
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Do you remember, were you here for Mr. Schroeder's testimony? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You remember what Owen said? | ||
| The company has learned from its mistakes about Sandco's. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
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I didn't hear you say that. | |
| You agree with that? | ||
| Yeah, we've certainly learned from our mistakes. | ||
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It's kind of a lot better. | |
| Mr. Jones, I'd like to show you what's been marked as a plaintiff's exhibit 130. | ||
| You've got it upside down. | ||
| I forgot that moment! | ||
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This text message is between you and Paul Watson, isn't it? | |
| And they mention Sandy Hook, don't they? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Planets move 130 into evidence? | ||
| So the lead-in to this question is about Owen's testimony that they had learned from Sandy Hook and their behavior had become better. | ||
| And so that's why it's important how this is revealed. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Mr. Watson has sent you a screenshot from Infowars.com, correct? | ||
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It appears to be. | |
| Yeah, and it has an article here, right? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And it says, staged. | ||
| Video shows hospital using dummies in ER for coronavirus footage. | ||
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I believe so. | |
| So the first message from Mr. Watson. | ||
| Read along with me, Mr. Jones. | ||
| He says, this is a video... | ||
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Sorry, excuse me, one second. | |
| No problem. | ||
| Take your time. | ||
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He may not think it's a problem, but it's a real one. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Just give me a second. | ||
| It's a problem for me. | ||
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Alright, go ahead. | |
| Mr. Watson says, this is a video of a medical student training to intubate. | ||
| Makes us look ridiculous, suggesting this means COVID is fake. | ||
| Sandy Hook all over again. | ||
| Did I read that correctly? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Here's the next message. | ||
| What did you tell Mr. Watson? | ||
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I get it. | |
| Mr. Jones, it's true that this article is right now live on Infowars.com. | ||
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I can pull it up, right? | |
| I've never seen this text message. | ||
| So that's a sad response, because Alex has already said that this is his phone, and these are texts between him and Paul. | ||
| And so the notion here is the setup of the question is you learn from Sandy Hook, you agree with that, that's what Owen said, yes. | ||
| Here's a text during COVID that Paul was telling you this is Sandy Hook all over again with you doing this bullshit about fake patients in hospitals to pretend that there's COVID patients in the hospitals. | ||
| And you said, I get it. | ||
| I understand that this is Sandy Hook all over again. | ||
| And the article is still live today as we are in this courtroom. | ||
| This is a damning. | ||
| A picture that is basically, no, you have not learned from Sandy Hook. | ||
| Not only have you not learned from it, when reminded this is Sandy Hook all over again, when you're in the middle of a lawsuit about this sort of behavior as it relates to Sandy Hook, you say, I understand, I get it, and I don't care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And not just that. | ||
| It is not a message from, like, you know, your son. | ||
| Or just some stranger. | ||
| It's not a random email. | ||
| It's a message from your literal head editor for most of your career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should pay attention, right? | ||
| Yeah, and the person who, like, throughout the course of this case... | ||
| Has had maybe the only moments of, like, someone having clarity. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, like, in his deposition, there's a reason that Paul's not getting sued. | ||
| Right, right, right, absolutely. | ||
| Because there is documented evidence of him back then saying, cut this out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's literally the guy who is like... | ||
| He's the person, if you had listened to him, you wouldn't be in this situation. | ||
| If we were in a movie that's different from the one that this trial turned into, which was astonishing, but... | ||
| Paul would be the guy who gets roped back in for one last job, but in this movie, Paul's like, no, this is a terrible one last job. | ||
| I'm not going to do this one last job. | ||
| You guys go do the one last job, and then he's watching them all die. | ||
| That's what's happening. | ||
| He sucks, obviously, but in the lowest of low bars, he has cleared it in terms of... | ||
| He has not stolen $100 million from a bank. | ||
| Congratulations, you are not being prosecuted for stealing $100 million from a bank. | ||
| It's wild that you have this situation where Paul, if you'd listened to him, you wouldn't be getting sued, you wouldn't be in this situation. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And then you have this text from... | ||
| Fairly recently. | ||
| You should have listened to him, and you should not have had this text exchange, because it illustrates how little you give a shit. | ||
| And that doesn't play well. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I love that the... | ||
| Here's the movie, because this is the Perry Mason moment. | ||
| The Perry Mason moment... | ||
| Well, the Perry Mason moment's coming up. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But Mark, dramatically revealing we have all your texts, right? | ||
| The parody is whenever he goes, you're reading it upside down. | ||
| That's where we, that's the encapsulation to me of this, like, moment in testimony, is that combination of, like, high drama. | ||
| Like, I have revealed fucking Tom Cruise's text messages to you right now. | ||
| And then the fucking hilarity of, like, it's upside down, Alex. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex tries to spin this. | ||
| And he's trying really hard to figure out, like, what the fuck can I do here? | ||
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I've never seen this text message. | |
| He can choke. | ||
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I guess you guys got Paul's. | |
| My phone didn't save him. | ||
| So that's fine. | ||
| Your phone didn't save the text message. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
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I told you guys. | |
| I gave it to the lawyers. | ||
| It said they drained the phone. | ||
| They didn't find that stuff. | ||
| You gave it to the lawyers. | ||
| They were supposed to find this. | ||
| That's what your testimony is? | ||
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No, I searched it as well. | |
| You guys have all this stuff and you say we didn't give anything. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you know how an iPhone works, right? | ||
| You've had an iPhone text messaging for several years now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What does it mean if the messages are in blue? | ||
| Whose messages are those? | ||
| Whose phone is this taken from? | ||
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I don't know if this phone's taken from. | |
| I mean, I just, I turned the phone over and said, take the stuff off. | ||
| Can I have you look in the very bottom below the very bottom left corner? | ||
| Is that your phone number? | ||
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Yes. | |
| So you did get my text messages. | ||
| And I said you didn't. | ||
| Nice trick. | ||
| So this is the beginning of the Perry Mason moment. | ||
| And this is what all of the John Oliver show and all of the clip shows, they run this moment. | ||
| And I understand why. | ||
| Because it is... | ||
| I mean, it's made for TV. | ||
| I mean, it's literally made for TV. | ||
| It's evocative. | ||
| And like Bill said in our interview, it's like the biggest... | ||
| Legal moment. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't get bigger, does it? | ||
| And I understand that, but because of the way our show works and stuff, I'm so much more interested in the reasoning and the context to it. | ||
| So you have that Paul reveal, and then the reveal of the text messages and the nature of them comes. | ||
| And so that's here. | ||
| Let's all enjoy that. | ||
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So you did get my text messages. | |
| And instead you didn't. | ||
| Nice trick. | ||
| Yes, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| You didn't give this text message to me. | ||
| You don't know where this came from. | ||
| Do you know where I got this? | ||
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No. | |
| Mr. Jones, did you know that 12 days ago, 12 days ago, your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years, and when informed... | ||
| Did not take any steps to identify it as privileged or protect it in any way. | ||
| And as of two days ago, it fell free and clear into my possession. | ||
| And that is how I know you lied to me when you said you didn't have text messages about Samuel. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
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See, I told you the truth. | |
| This is your Perry Mason moment. | ||
| I gave them my phone. | ||
|
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Mr. Jones, you need to answer the question. | |
| No, I didn't know this happened. | ||
| But, I mean, I told you. | ||
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I gave him the phone over. | |
| And you said in your deposition, you searched your phone. | ||
| You said you pulled down the text, did the search function for Sandy Hook. | ||
| That's what you said, Mr. Jones, correct? | ||
| And I had several different phones with this number, but I did, yeah. | ||
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Of course. | |
| I mean, that's why you got it. | ||
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No, Mr. Jones. | |
| That's not why I got it. | ||
| My lawyer sent it to you. | ||
| But I'm hiding it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Mr. Jones? | ||
| That's, uh... | ||
| Mr. Jones? | ||
| Oh, I love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, like, all of these attempts to wiggle out of this, I just feel like have backfired for him and made it worse. | ||
| Do you know what the craziest thing, the craziest moment, because whenever I went back through all of the stuff that I have written, there were so many moments that I really, that you do just lose because it's absolute nonstop insanity. | ||
| But the craziest one was on Tuesday. | ||
| Day one of the trial proper. | ||
| You know, the day after jury selection. | ||
| The opening statement day? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the middle of one of the breaks, Alex is talking to the HBO documentarian on stream, and at one point he does say, they don't have my texts. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| How fucking wild is that? | ||
| That was the wildest thing. | ||
| There's an irony. | ||
| I was like, that can't be real. | ||
| And I checked, and it's crazy. | ||
| Well, again, we have to... | ||
| Make the point that... | ||
| Could have been talking about other texts. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Your tweets may or may not depict reality in any way. | ||
| They absolutely do not. | ||
| Who knows if that conversation even happened or you imagined it. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So Alex has now said that he searched his phones and didn't find these things. | ||
| And so Mark has to inform him that, hey buddy, you may have just committed perjury. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Mr. Jones, in discovery, you were asked, do you have standing hook text messages on your phone? | ||
| And you said no, correct? | ||
| You said that under oath, didn't you? | ||
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I mean, if I was mistaken, I was mistaken, but you got the messages right there. | |
| You know what perjury is, right? | ||
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Yes, I do. | |
| I mean, I'm not a tech guy. | ||
| I told you I gave, in my testimony, the phone to the lawyers before or whatever, and so you've got my phone, but we didn't give it to you. | ||
| No, Mr. Jones. | ||
| One more time. | ||
| And please remember, if you need to assert the commitment, you can. | ||
| I need to know that you can do that. | ||
| But you testified under oath previously that you personally searched your phone for the phrase Sandy Hook and there were no messages. | ||
| You said that under oath. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you lied when you said it. | ||
| No, I did not lie. | ||
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Whoops. | |
| Ouch. | ||
| When you say something that is then later found out to be not true, and you knew that it was not true, because it was you who said you did it. | ||
| And you didn't. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What is that called? | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it turns out, also applies to his emails. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| I mean, I quit opening email and using it before Sandy Hook. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In other words, if somebody was to tell me, oh, I have emails from Mr. Jones that he wrote about this case in the past couple of years, that person would be lying? | ||
| You're telling the truth? | ||
| Somebody else has got my Infowars email because I haven't been using it all. | ||
| That's not qualified, Mr. Jones. | ||
| You know in this case you were asked to produce your emails, any emails you had about Sandy Hook. | ||
| You know you were asked to do that, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you said you didn't have any. | ||
| I told my IT people, you've got all that stuff. | ||
| No, Mr. Jones. | ||
| I'm saying in deposition, under oath, sworn to God, you said you don't have any emails with Sandy Hook because you don't use email, right? | ||
| I mean, I have been using InfoWars email, and it's got to be a decade or longer in my memory. | ||
| We're with InfoWars.com email. | ||
| No, Mr. James. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not what I'm asking. | ||
| He keeps trying to bring it back to InfoWars emails as opposed to another email. | ||
| And what Mark is doing is very clearly trying to establish, like, you lied again, because I have an email. | ||
| But, like, the attempt to wiggle out of it is just the constantly bringing up Infowars emails. | ||
| And it's just not. | ||
| It's not going to help at all. | ||
| Earlier in the trial, Raynal had been talking to Daria as the corporate representative that he objected to. | ||
| And then talked to her as the corporate representative. | ||
| He had said, like, Alex doesn't have an email address, right? | ||
| And she was like, oh, when he did, he'd get a hundred million thousand emails a day! | ||
| So he got rid of it, as though that would be later the excuse for when now happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| Not well. | ||
| Not the best. | ||
| So we go back to the text messages now. | ||
| We've already illustrated that... | ||
| Paul had texted with Alex and told him this is Sandy Hook all over again. | ||
| I get it, is the response. | ||
| And now there's some other texts here from Tim Fruget, who's the business manager of InfoWars. | ||
| And so here's how this goes. | ||
| This has been marked as Plants Exhibit 132. | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Those are text messages of Tim Fruget, the operations manager of InfoWars, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And we requested information about your revenues in this case. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You didn't give us this, did you? | ||
| It was a lot of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, you didn't even look through your text messages, Mr. Jones. | ||
| You hit them, right? | ||
| Correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| I gave it to the lawyers. | ||
| That's why you have it. | ||
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I mean, this is ridiculous. | |
| Are you moving to admit it? | ||
| Yes, can we? | ||
| No, yes, I'm sorry. | ||
| Can we move to admit Plannus 132 at this time? | ||
| Any objection? | ||
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No. | |
| Planus 132 is admitted. | ||
| Before we put that up, Mr. Jones, I just want to make sure you understand something about these emails. | ||
| You understand that when your attorney sent me your whole phone, he didn't mean to do that. | ||
| Objection, Your Honor. | ||
| I just want to mention, this is not discovery. | ||
| Well, I do think it's important that, since we're discussing all of this, that the jury understands discovery is a process that occurs and concludes well before trial. | ||
| What the lawyers say is of evidence, so we don't know whether it was on accident or on purpose. | ||
| Yeah, we do. | ||
| Because we don't have evidence about that. | ||
| But what we do know is that it wasn't properly turned over when it should have been. | ||
| There's no question, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Okay, so there is a fair objection there. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because you're asserting that he did this accidentally. | ||
| You can't prove that. | ||
| Can't do that. | ||
| Well, I mean, kind of. | ||
| But what you have is texts about finances that are like, here's the numbers for this day, and then Alex just didn't turn those over. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| That's real bad. | ||
| It does appear that... | ||
| I do think there's an argument to be made. | ||
| That you can say that he didn't mean to do it. | ||
| Because Raynal did email back, like, please disregard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which isn't legally... | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| But Mark hasn't introduced that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| So he can't do that now. | ||
| Without... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then Raynal would object to privilege. | ||
| Yeah, it would be a mess. | ||
| The court is unaware of that email response. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So one of the things that's critical about the revelation of these texts is that they illustrate financial information that was demanded and ordered from Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That was not turned over. | ||
| But more for my purposes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They also reveal that Alex is full of shit. | ||
| Mr. Frugge. | ||
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Frugge? | |
| Frugge? | ||
| How do I say his name, Mr. Jones? | ||
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Frugge. | |
| Alright, so Mr. Frugge, you would agree with me, but pretty much every day. | ||
| He sends you an update on how much the store has sold, and sometimes he lets you know how much profit you made, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| And in this message, he says, 110 gross sales in food equates to almost 70k pure profit. | ||
| That's what he told you. | ||
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That's what that says, and that's not what it does, so I have a question about it. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So look, this makes total sense. | ||
| Alex has said that there's a 20-40% profit margin on the food. | ||
| And you just let that go and you're like, oh yeah, okay, I guess that makes sense. | ||
| He's not paying anything for the food. | ||
| It's not like he buys it from MyPatriotSupply and then sends it to people. | ||
| Yeah, he's not a resale. | ||
| No, he's essentially getting a cut of the business that they do. | ||
| There is no overhead. | ||
| It is all pure profit. | ||
| So that also illustrates that the thing that Alex testified to earlier, which is that the 20-40% profit margin is a load of shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's 100%. | ||
| He has no risk, no exposure on the food. | ||
| Maybe things are different with the private labeling. | ||
| Maybe with his supplements and stuff, he has to buy a bunch and then resell it. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| But yeah, for the food, that's not the case at all. | ||
| I mean, they even did drop shipping from the MyPatriotSupply facilities. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| So only 110 units is 70,000 in pure profit. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I think that that probably is an unreliable statistic to universalize. | ||
| Oh no, I wouldn't expect to. | ||
| Because they have different sized buckets and things that they sell. | ||
| So it's not a uniform... | ||
| Commission, I imagine. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But yeah, even considering... | ||
| Yeah, it's probably a percentage of the total... | ||
| But still is pretty sweet. | ||
| Not a bad gig. | ||
| Pretty sweet money. | ||
| All you have to do is say stuff and then they give you money. | ||
| All you have to do is convince everyone that they won't get food tomorrow and they need to buy food buckets. | ||
| You're gonna die! | ||
| Anyways, buy these food buckets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here is Mark's dismount. | ||
| And then I think we saw your revenues... | ||
| So we saw a few months in 2015 on the beginning of that document, right? | ||
| Do you remember that document you relied on and testified about? | ||
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I saw it, yes. | |
| Not a couple of months from 2015 on it, but not a whole lot of sales on that, right? | ||
|
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I believe so. | |
| So we're mainly just talking about 2016-2018, right? | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| 165 million. | ||
| Do you remember testifying? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And I know you testified about your profit margins, but I think we've seen that now, that you were saying that that's gross. | ||
| So that maybe doesn't, we have to calculate what your profit is. | ||
| But after seeing... | ||
| I'm sorry, I need a yes or no. | ||
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| But after seeing all of that, all of those millions and millions, millions, hundreds of millions, are you aware that your attorney has argued? | ||
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This. | |
| This is what you should pay for the damages that your company admits under oath through your corporate representative costs. | ||
| Were you aware of that? | ||
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A dollar? | |
| Were you aware? | ||
| Yes, I know we were. | ||
| Do you agree with that? | ||
| Do I agree with it? | ||
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A dollar. | |
| Is that it? | ||
| We done? | ||
| I'll pay it for you. | ||
| Are we done? | ||
| What does the New York Times do for a lot about WMDs? | ||
| I don't think there's any point in asking you any more questions. | ||
| Slamming the door. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't think there's any reason to ask you any more questions. | ||
| What a great way to just call it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| So yeah, you know, this, again, a little theatrical in as much as you pull out a dollar and be like, is this it? | ||
| Is this what we're doing? | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Give the man his moment! | ||
| No, I'm fine with it in this context, but yeah, Alex can't answer that question, so he doesn't. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| And then Raynall has one question on redirect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very funny. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you've trusted your lawyers to produce the relevant documents? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You've cooperated with us in every way? | ||
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| And you've trusted us to do a good job and turn over what we need to turn over? | ||
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| When we're supposed to turn it over? | ||
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yes No further questions. | |
| And this is the end. | ||
| That is one situation where Alex did not realize that his lawyer was no longer working for him. | ||
| His lawyer was working for Raynal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cover your ass. | ||
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| Time, baby. | ||
| Alex should have said no to all of those questions. | ||
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| So this testimony took place over the course of Tuesday and Wednesday. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Tuesday afternoon, Wednesday morning. | ||
| Then there's closing statements, and then we get the revelation on Thursday. | ||
| That Alex is hit with the compensatory damages of $4.1 million. | ||
| And as this news breaks, it is past the point that Alex is on air. | ||
| And so Owen is hosting the War Room at this point, complaining about, I don't know, the Chinese? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| And so here's him discussing that the judgment has come in. | ||
| A lot of people are tuned in right now because the news has broke. | ||
| About the first verdict in the Sandy Hook case, and they got a $4 million judgment. | ||
| Never had a trial by jury. | ||
| Judge just decided guilt. | ||
| And now they got a $4 million verdict, which is, I mean, they were shooting for $150 million, you know, because they got to line their pockets, I guess. | ||
| Whoever's getting that money, I don't know where that money goes. | ||
| Cherry. | ||
| Now that would absolve any emotional distress, but okay. | ||
| So, there might be a statement from Alex Jones soon. | ||
| He might go live. | ||
| He might pop in. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're on a Titanic right now playing the violin, okay? | ||
| Well, that's good news. | ||
| I've got all the news to cover, and that's what's so sad about it, is nobody else is going to cover this news. | ||
| It's only InfoWars is going to cover it, and now we won't even be able to cover it. | ||
| So... | ||
| Just stay tuned. | ||
| There will be a statement from Alex shortly. | ||
| Can't cover the news. | ||
| Too busy playing violins! | ||
| That is such a funny, whiny way of dis... | ||
| Oh, look! | ||
| Now I can't even cover the news! | ||
| See? | ||
| Now who's the victim? | ||
| Look what the Sandy Hook parents have done. | ||
| They've made me unable to cover the news. | ||
| Isn't that what he's saying? | ||
| Isn't it kind of what he's trying to say? | ||
| You know, like, look at what these... | ||
| People have done to me. | ||
| And who knows where that money is going. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| Really trying to make suspicious the idea of a lawsuit. | ||
| And so he's right. | ||
| Alex does pop in later. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So that's one thing Owen's right about. | ||
| He's winning in the talk show prediction race. | ||
| Second thing he's right about, Alex was filming a statement before he came on. | ||
| And so here is that. | ||
| We're going to go to that right away. | ||
| The Democratic Party. | ||
| The entire corporate media lined up against Infowars and the American people's free speech. | ||
| The judge, more than 20 times in the last week and a half in Austin, Texas, told the jury while I was there in the courtroom and was on national TV that Alex Jones is guilty. | ||
| The lawyers for the plaintiffs asked for between $150 million and $3 billion. | ||
| When? | ||
| The jury came in this evening with $4.2 million. | ||
| I admitted I was wrong. | ||
| I admitted I made a mistake. | ||
| I admitted that I followed disinformation, but not on purpose. | ||
| I apologized to the families. | ||
| And the jury understood that. | ||
| What I did to those families was wrong, but I didn't do it on purpose. | ||
| I didn't lie about WMDs in Iraq and millions of people on purpose. | ||
| I questioned a public event. | ||
| Because I saw anomalies and others saw anomalies. | ||
| And the jury understood that and awarded $4.2 million. | ||
| Now, that's more money than my company and I personally have, but we are going to work on trying to make restitution there. | ||
| Oh, what a great guy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So, I think the $3 billion number is meant to make the judgment look even smaller. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I was trying to figure out where that came from, and I think it's the sales figures that Mark showed from the text messages. | ||
| That Fruget was sending over. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| During CPAC, it was like, what, $800,000 a day? | ||
| A day, yeah. | ||
| And so this extrapolated out to like $300 million in a year. | ||
| Over 20 years. | ||
| Over 10 years since Sandy Hook. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think that that's what Alex... | ||
| I don't even remember if Mark made any statement of $3 billion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's like, okay, you made $300 million a year, 10 years since. | ||
| You've made, in theory, $3 billion since then. | ||
| I think that's where Alex may be taking that number from, but I never heard that as what he... | ||
| Should be penalized. | ||
| Yeah, I really, really, really, really wish that... | ||
| The way that that amount of money was reported was based on why it was chosen. | ||
| Yeah, I understand that. | ||
| The 24% of Americans is 75 million Americans. | ||
| So the idea is $1 for each American. | ||
| Right, there's a symbolism. | ||
| Yeah, but it kept going back to like, oh, they want money. | ||
| Oh, they want money. | ||
| Or it was about how huge the sum was. | ||
| If they had really just like, listen, the Sandy Hook... | ||
| Our families believe that because of Alex, Alex owes them $1 for a person that believes that they're a liar. | ||
| That makes sense to me. | ||
| And it also makes it feel like the judgment isn't that high. | ||
| Because if you had said that they owed $10 per person, I wouldn't think that that's a huge judgment, and that's $1.5 billion. | ||
| True. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| And the other aspect of it, too, is like... | ||
| You know, you don't start a negotiation low. | ||
| Oh, of course not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| You know, it's a number that you don't necessarily expect you're going to get. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then the misunderstanding of the symbolism, I agree with you. | ||
| That could have been... | ||
| The symbolism was what was really important about the money and not the money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what was so frustrating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex's statement goes on... | ||
| Now, here's the next phase of this. | ||
| When the judge realized that when I was on the stand... | ||
| I woke that jury up and laid out the facts. | ||
| She ruled today that in the punitive damage phase that starts tomorrow, I cannot testify and my lawyer cannot put on evidence. | ||
| So she already found me guilty and told the jury I was guilty. | ||
| And now she's saying we can't defend ourselves in the punitive damages phase. | ||
| I trust in God. | ||
| I trust in the truth coming out. | ||
| So this just isn't true. | ||
| Ray Nall gave a defense in the punitive phase of the trial, just as Wes did for the plaintiffs. | ||
| The defense wasn't able to call any witnesses because the purpose of that phase of the trial was to determine net worth of both Alex and free speech systems. | ||
| And after repeatedly failing to provide ordered documents and repeatedly sending in incompetent corporate representatives, the judge sanctioned Alex's defense by disallowing him from being able to participate in the net worth discussion at this point. | ||
| Essentially, this is not a silencing or an instance of Alex being jammed up. | ||
| It's just another case of him not doing the bare minimum he was required to do in the discovery phase of the case, and now it's too late for him to pretend he wants to be involved. | ||
| Plus, Alex violated the rules on multiple occasions the prior day, including lying to the jury by saying he was bankrupt, so on that count alone... | ||
| He should not be able to be a witness in this part of the case. | ||
| He lied under oath! | ||
| Nothing that he's said can really be accepted as credible, so his evidentiary value is zero unless he were to have produced the documents backing up what he says. | ||
| Which brings us to the next problem. | ||
| One of the primary things that was brought up as it relates to his text being disclosed was the messages from Tim Fruget, which discussed detailed breakdowns of sales numbers. | ||
| These numbers did not match the revenue numbers that Alex has claimed, and even more importantly, the existence of these texts, which were not turned over in Discovery, reveal an attempt to hide information relevant to the determination of net worth and the company's value. | ||
| There are three major reasons that Alex is not being allowed to be a part of this phase of the trial, and it has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or conspiracy against him. | ||
| It's the simple consequences of his stupid actions. | ||
| You can probably get the basic tone of this announcement already. | ||
| It's Alex taking this $4 million judgment quite in stride because it's much lower than he was probably fearing. | ||
| His tone is essentially no different than when he's gotten other bad news in the past where he's using it as an opportunity to fundraise off of it, more or less trying to get the audience to flip the bill for him so he can remain insulated from the consequences of his actions. | ||
| It's pathetic, but it's what you'd expect because he's always been able to do this before. | ||
| Whether it's his dad paying for the medical bills of that kid he almost killed, or his dad buying advertising on his show so a radio station would air him early on, or the audience donating to his suspiciously timed money bombs, or this suspiciously timed $8 million Bitcoin donation, Alex has always had people to bail him out of the trouble of his stupid actions. | ||
| And he probably thinks, based on this $4 million figure, This is just going to be another in that series. | ||
| And there's very little reason for him. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if it were me in Alex's shoes, I would have received that judgment as a massive victory. | ||
| But that's only because if it's me in Alex's shoes, I, much like Alex, have forgotten that there are more trials coming. | ||
| I have completely forgotten that that means... | ||
| More judgments are coming as well. | ||
| True. | ||
| So I'm overjoyed. | ||
| I'm announcing my victory over the Democratic Party. | ||
| It's a thrill up until the midterms. | ||
| It could have been worse. | ||
| Yeah, it could have been worse, yes. | ||
| So yeah, the plaintiff's lawyers, though, they were not happy about this. | ||
| They don't like that Alex won. | ||
| At the end of the day, I don't have all these millions of dollars they claim I have, so I'm at peace. | ||
| But this is still a major victory for truth. | ||
| And the plaintiff's lawyers got upset in the courtroom, and according to multiple witnesses, were screaming and yelling at my lawyers, Joe and Andino, when they were in the hall. | ||
| They thought they would get hundreds of millions of dollars we don't have. | ||
| They thought they would shut us down. | ||
| But that jury understood the truth and resisted the propaganda. | ||
| This does not at all match my experience with the plaintiff's lawyers. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't know who these two sources Alex has, but I think they're lieutenant colonels, probably. | ||
| It is this exact video that should be played further in the other trials, just because this was... | ||
| After the judgment. | ||
| If you think that damages are going to make him stop and he can still be in business, that is not how this works. | ||
| He's in there and he is doing his shit or he's out. | ||
| There is no getting him to moderate. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that's difficult to... | ||
| I mean, I think you and I can say that, but saying that in a legal setting I think is a little dicey. | ||
| Well, it presupposes that you know 100% the future, which you can't do in a courtroom, I assume. | ||
| Right, but it also presupposes that it is appropriate to be like, I want to bankrupt him as a punishment. | ||
| And I don't know if that is necessarily healthy. | ||
| I mean, it is, but it's not like, I feel like this is so important. | ||
| It is not that. | ||
| But it is not bankrupt. | ||
| Well, I understand bankrupt. | ||
| I mean this way. | ||
| If the points of the trial... | ||
| If the point of the damages is to punish someone to get them to stop their behavior, right? | ||
| And this is what they do after that judgment, then it's not about money at that point. | ||
| It has to be, how do we make this behavior stop? | ||
| So I don't care if the judgment is ten gajillion dollars, or it's literally just a guy going like, hey, listen, you gotta turn the lights off. | ||
| That's just what's gotta happen. | ||
| It's not about the money kind of thing. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I just think it's difficult to translate that from, What I think you're saying that makes total sense in this conversation to a courtroom. | ||
| I think that's a challenge. | ||
| And it's also incredibly difficult because, you know, when you have something like this happens, it's just an opportunity for Alex to trick his audience into being like, I need more money. | ||
| Give me more money. | ||
| Now listen, we're in bankruptcy right now. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| We're maxed out. | ||
| Listen, asshole. | ||
| We are fighting hard for your First Amendment, your Second Amendment, your Tenth Amendment, your sovereignty. | ||
| Not your Fourth. | ||
| So we want to keep us in the fight. | ||
| We have a plan to stay on air through this bankruptcy. | ||
| We have a reorganization plan. | ||
| But if you don't fund us, if you don't buy products at Infowarsstore.com, we will shut down. | ||
| It's your decision, just like that jury had a decision, right now on whether Infowars is going to stay on the air. | ||
| We are so broke. | ||
| That I'm not even worried about that $4.2 million. | ||
| I'm worried about our bankruptcy to emergency stabilize InfoWars, and we have a plan. | ||
| But to do that, we need support. | ||
| So get a t-shirt, get a book, get a film. | ||
| Or get some of my supplements that under oath have been proven to be great. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Just wild shit. | ||
| I mean, but what do you expect? | ||
| It's exactly what you'd expect. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Now, what I didn't expect is for this announcement that Alex makes to go the direction it does. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Wait, there's a direction to go from there? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| He starts talking about Neil and Scarlett. | ||
| No! | ||
| What? | ||
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| No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Mic down. | ||
| Mic down. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Get them all at Infowarsstore.com and keep us on the air. | ||
| That is so critical. | ||
| Because they use these families as pawns. | ||
| The families come over and shook my hand and hug me and... | ||
| Really woke up to the fact that they'd been manipulated and their own lawyers went like they were dogs. | ||
| Get over here and stop talking to him. | ||
| On video. | ||
| I was wrong. | ||
| Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| I admit it happened. | ||
| I'm proud to admit it happened because when I'm wrong, I admit it. | ||
| I don't make mistakes on purpose. | ||
| We're tomorrow's news today. | ||
| We're 95% accurate. | ||
| But these people... | ||
| Yeah, so he's creating this perception that, like, Neil and Scarlett are info warriors now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They woke up to... | ||
| The fact that their lawyers were manipulating them into doing this case. | ||
| Yeah, I realized that my comments about the previous clips had come too soon, and I would like to reiterate them about that clip, but like twice as much. | ||
| Yeah, it's bad. | ||
| Yeah, that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, it's bad. | ||
| No, it can't get worse. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I told, and my lawyer told that jury, I said, listen, we want to pay for their psychological stuff, we want to take care of problems, we didn't cause all of it, but we want to step up and prove that and do that. | ||
| And Scarlett Lewis has a beautiful organization called Choose Love that isn't about gun control, isn't about liberal or conservative. | ||
| It's about teaching children love and compassion so they're not hateful, so they're not satanic, so they don't kill people. | ||
| And I have invited Scarlett Lewis on my show. | ||
| We're going to email her organization. | ||
| If I see her tomorrow during the punitive phase, I'm going to shake her hand and give her my number. | ||
| And I am going to gladly have her on my show. | ||
| Next week, and I'm going to raise money for her organization on top of the big judgment. | ||
| Because she's a real lady. | ||
| She lost her child. | ||
| And I'm not going to let these people misrepresent what I said and did anymore and claim that I'm the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| This is a beautiful time. | ||
| It's a great time. | ||
| And the trial lawyers, the ambulance chasers lost. | ||
| America and the First Amendment won. | ||
| And the... | ||
| Poor parents that went through so much. | ||
| Neal Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, they have won as well. | ||
| So this is a big victory, an answer to prayer. | ||
| Thank you so much to viewers and listeners. | ||
| We're going to continue on as long as you support us. | ||
| We are so close to being shut down. | ||
| So please support us so we can have Scarlett Lewis and Neal Heslin on. | ||
| I'm going to take them out to dinner. | ||
| Their lawyers are going to try to stop them. | ||
| I mean, I literally yesterday saw them. | ||
| Neal tried to follow me out. | ||
| He shook my hand. | ||
| He goes, hey, buddy, I want to talk to you. | ||
| I said, yes, sir. | ||
| Please come out. | ||
| Their lawyer said, get over here. | ||
| To him. | ||
| I'll never talk to them like a dog. | ||
| I'll see you tomorrow on the Friday show. | ||
| So it's strange to hear Alex say that he and his lawyers said they wanted to pay Neil and Scarlett's medical expenses and such because I was in the courtroom during Raynaud's opening statement where he asked the jury to return a judgment of one dollar in damages. | ||
| I do recall he asked the jury. | ||
| He held a dollar up. | ||
| It was very dramatic. | ||
| Which is what Mark was referencing. | ||
| It was a callback. | ||
| It was a closing statement in the cross-examination of Alex. | ||
| Alex is such a disgusting liar, and this is just an attempt on his part to exploit his audience's obvious lack of awareness of what's actually happening in the trial. | ||
| Scarlet wanted to hug Alex and realize she was being used by the lawyers. | ||
| He told the jury he wanted to pay their expenses. | ||
| All this is complete shit. | ||
| And more importantly, Alex knows fully well that he's just lying to his audience, so they keep giving him money. | ||
| And then also, Scarlet has a great organization. | ||
| His corporate representative, Daria, under oath testified that she suspects that it's a front. | ||
| Also, this is Alex's attempt to portray himself as the good guy, which is all based in bullshit. | ||
| Further, he's putting Neil and Scarlet into a trap, where he's casting them as characters in his personal image rehabilitation. | ||
| As far as the audience is concerned, they either get to play along and act how Alex is setting them up to, which they aren't going to do, or they'll be seen suspiciously by the audience all over again. | ||
| Why aren't they speaking out in support of Alex after they realized that they were being used by the lawyers to attack the First Amendment? | ||
| Maybe the evil lawyers won't let them. | ||
| Or maybe they just said that to Alex to pacify him during the trial and they actually are in league with the deep state Democrat lawyers after all. | ||
| Come to think of it, that would mean that they would have to put on a pretty good performance to trick Alex of all people. | ||
| What if these people are actors after all? | ||
| Maybe that's not the direction it would necessarily go, but Alex is forcing Neil and Scarlett to exist in terms of his bullshit show into the future because creating these fictitious pictures of them is helpful in terms of making Alex feel better about himself. | ||
| What he really should be doing is leaving them the fuck alone, which they've wanted all along. | ||
| But Alex is kind of like a child who's broken something and then is trying to clean it up, but he doesn't know how to clean, so in the process he ends up breaking more stuff. | ||
| You just want them to stop trying to help because they're not helping and they're just making things worse, but they're a dumb kid and they don't get that. | ||
| He's kind of like that kid, except he broke that original thing on purpose. | ||
| He claims that he didn't, and then he's breaking other stuff to distract from the mess he initially made. | ||
| It's like a sociopathic version of that kid who broke something. | ||
| He's a fucking asshole. | ||
| Yeah, that's so fucked. | ||
| But that's another part of the amorphous blob of denying Sandy Hook. | ||
| Now, I get it. | ||
| I say Sandy Hook is 100% real because I've changed the goalpost to now the lawyers are manipulating these people. | ||
| That is just the same thing. | ||
| It's all one big thing. | ||
| It is not that he denied Sandy Hook to happen. | ||
| It's that Sandy Hook is... | ||
| Part of whatever it is he wants. | ||
| You understand that that is exactly the model. | ||
| You have to play the full clip. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You play the full clip. | ||
| Oh, I need a timeline. | ||
| Give him a timeline, there's going to be another excuse. | ||
| And even think about it in terms of world events. | ||
| You have this lead up to the 2016 election. | ||
| It's like, we need to get Trump in because if you have a Democrat in, oh, it's so bad. | ||
| Trump gets in. | ||
| Oh, no, there's enemies within. | ||
| The deep state is... | ||
| That's why everything sucks. | ||
| It's always something else. | ||
| The conspiracy and the narrative has to shift because that is where the money is. | ||
| That is where the ability to keep his audience interested is. | ||
| Without that, like, oh, we won, or oh, I was actually wrong, let's move on, doesn't play. | ||
| There isn't an angle. | ||
| He's just a coward. | ||
| Well, yeah, that too. | ||
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| So he does have the balls to show up on the war room. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Hard-hitting interview with Owen Troyer. | ||
| It's time he had an adversarial conversation with the press. | ||
| He might have an adversarial conversation with Owen once the paychecks stop clearing. | ||
| That would be a good time to start. | ||
| For now, it's friendly. | ||
| So Alex has recorded this announcement and statement, and he comes on with Owen. | ||
| And a lot of it is kind of rehashing some of the same stuff. | ||
| Well, I'm on... | ||
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Play that violin, baby. | |
| No, not because he wrote the news about COVID being made in a lab. | ||
| No, not because he covered Jeff Repetine while everyone else was covering it up. | ||
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No, not because he told you about the globalist corporate world government with carbon taxes. | |
| But no, because they think they've destroyed him now. | ||
| And the lies get to permeate on Twitter. | ||
| But Alex, you're not allowed on there. | ||
| That's right, and here we are. | ||
| The jury came in. | ||
| On the big verdict, tens of millions spent by the Democratic Party law firms, and the jury came in at $4.2 million when they asked for $150 million two days ago, $3 billion yesterday. | ||
| I don't have $2 million in the bank or anywhere. | ||
| Seems like a bland version of triumph for him. | ||
| There's a victory to it, but it's also blah. | ||
| Also, they didn't spend tens of millions on that case. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, I guess... | ||
| But you need to think that, because then you win. | ||
| They're down 10 million... | ||
| I'm down 4 million, sure, but they're down so much more trying to get me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, yeah, that's the perception that Alex wants, and I don't... | ||
| I don't think that has any bearing on reality. | ||
| Yeah, Alex can't be like, listen, the law firm that they're specifically went through, the lead plaintiff's attorney said that he only eats what he kills. | ||
| So obviously they spent, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it's a low verdict, according to Alex on War Room. | ||
| The good news is it's a very low verdict for what they're asking for. | ||
| The bad news is we don't have the money to pay for it. | ||
| We can get a bond and appeal it, and we're going to move forward. | ||
| That's why I explain to listeners, if you want to see the war room, or you want to see Alex Jones, or you want to see Harrison Smith, or you want to see... | ||
| Just everybody that's on band.net. | ||
| Everybody else, if you want to see what we're doing here, we need your support at Infowarsstore.com. | ||
| And I was going to testify tomorrow, which under Texas law, impunitive damages, you're supposed to have the person under attack testify. | ||
| The judge ruled after the ruling today, when they got that low ruling, sounds like a lot for the average person, and it is a lot, but for what they were asking for, it's small, that I cannot speak tomorrow and my lawyer cannot put on evidence because we're defaulted. | ||
| So she gets more and more... | ||
| Desperate as she rigged this whole thing. | ||
| Oh, so it's rigged. | ||
| But no matter what the judgment was, he would not be allowed to participate. | ||
| It has no bearing on any of that. | ||
| I mean, you just can't commit perjury one day and then still come back the next day. | ||
| Particularly about financial stuff. | ||
| But even so, like, the sanctions in terms of the, you know, the default judgment, like, he, a big part of it is not cooperating with this stuff. | ||
| There was a time to provide that evidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And he very much didn't and was given multiple opportunities to clear that up and fix that. | |
| He didn't. | ||
| You don't just get to, like, swoop in and be like, aha, now I will reveal evidence. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's that example of you're never going to win. | ||
| With Alex? | ||
| Yeah, he lives in a reality where he always wins. | ||
| So you're never going to get him to be like, oh, you're right. | ||
| I fucked up in a way that means anything. | ||
| It's too threatening. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he just switches into a different world, and if he's guilty in this world, he's going to switch into a different one. | ||
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| It's crazy. | ||
| It's the MCU, but it's bullshit. | ||
| So, obviously, this is all just trying to get money. | ||
| And Alex thought he'd be making more money, honestly. | ||
| And he's a little disappointed. | ||
| But I'll tell you. | ||
| I don't say this mainly to the crew. | ||
| We're in bankruptcy right now. | ||
| And I thought, in bankruptcy, we could bring in the money we needed. | ||
| Right now, we're not. | ||
| So, it's a pyrrhic victory if you don't fund Infowarshow.com. | ||
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| Now is the last few minutes of the basketball game or the football game where everybody is in a tie, in a dead heat. | ||
| Now is the big boy pants time. | ||
| Now is the time to decide. | ||
| Where you're at. | ||
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| I'll never surrender. | ||
| I'll never go away. | ||
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| It is once again Big Boy Pants time. | ||
| It's Big Boy Pants time. | ||
| I regret to inform you. | ||
| It is Big Boy Pants time. | ||
| I wish it was Burger Boy Pants time. | ||
| Nick Weiger? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That meme. | ||
| Someone made. | ||
| I struggled with that a little bit. | ||
| Because... | ||
| It's a little unfair. | ||
| It's a little unfair. | ||
| But then also think about it. | ||
| Like, you know, you're the Nick in the Doughboys comparison of our picture of us on Bible Sources. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You're married. | ||
| Nick's married. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I am Mitch. | ||
| I have a cat. | ||
| Mitch has cats. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Squinty eyes. | ||
| Both of us have squinty eyes. | ||
| I grew up in Boston for a while. | ||
| He's from Quincy. | ||
| I did not know there were this many similarities. | ||
| There are more than I'm comfortable with that I didn't realize. | ||
| None of this even occurred to me. | ||
| Do you like hot salad? | ||
| Honestly, I have no Doughboys references whatsoever. | ||
| Whenever that thing came out, I was like... | ||
| I really don't know who Nick and Mitch are. | ||
| I was like, wait, is that... | ||
| I love Doughboys. | ||
| I would honestly, if they want me to come on, I'm available. | ||
| Hey, you're available. | ||
| But, yeah, the only thing that I... | ||
| Obviously, there's some nuances here and there, but I do not think that cakes are pies. | ||
| Ah, I was like... | ||
| I haven't shaved in a while. | ||
| That was my reaction to that picture. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Cupcakes. | ||
| Mitch believes cupcakes are pies. | ||
| That is not a pie. | ||
| No. | ||
| Until the day I die, that is not a pie. | ||
| No. | ||
| So yeah, that threw me for one. | ||
| Anyway, big boy pants time. | ||
| Big boy pants. | ||
| So in this interview that Alex is doing on The War Room, he frames why people are mad about him, about Sandy Hook, in a particular way. | ||
| Let's correct the record on a couple things here, Alex. | ||
| The media today says Alex Jones concedes Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| I believe he did that six years ago. | ||
| We barely covered Sandy Hook. | ||
| Less than one-tenth of one percent of our time. | ||
| But when Hillary ran against Trump, she dredged up things they could question, and there was some anomalies, but it turned out it probably, I mean, I believe it did happen. | ||
| So the whole thing about why people are mad about Sandy Hook is just because Hillary needed to attack Trump about something and Alex was easy. | ||
| You may remember this as the entire framing device of how Sandy Hook is covered in Alex's War, this shitty documentary made by Alex Lee Moyer. | ||
| And I think that you see how... | ||
| Patently absurd this is, and how easily tricked she was as a filmmaker. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's a moment where you either gotta go, I'm going to be 100% complicit in this, Ava Braun, or you have to go, I might be shitty at my job! | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, let's not dwell too much on this, because we already did that episode, and I was... | ||
| Blocked and then unblocked by their Twitter account without doing anything. | ||
| I didn't respond to them at all. | ||
| I have no idea what happened. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| There's something really terrible about the way Alex proceeds to the end of this episode. | ||
| In that special report announcement thing he did, there's a characterization of Scarlett and Neil, and it's unfair. | ||
| It's inappropriate. | ||
| But what Alex does now is worse. | ||
| I am very thankful to God, very thankful to listeners, and I want to invite Scarlett Lewis, who doesn't have a gun control group. | ||
| She has a group about children learning love and empathy and helping children that are beat up and helping people that are being bullied so they don't become this. | ||
| I totally support her group, Choose Love. | ||
| She came over, shook my hand, gave me a hug repeatedly, and I told her, regardless of this ruling, I want her on air. | ||
| So, Tamara, I'm barred from speaking. | ||
| At the trial. | ||
| But I'm going to go with a letter that I'm going to write tonight. | ||
| And I'm going to hand it to her and to Neal Heslin, who are very sweet people. | ||
| I didn't question them on purpose. | ||
| I didn't try to hurt them. | ||
| Once I met them, I saw, God, these are totally real people. | ||
| I was brought into stuff that wasn't... | ||
| It's good to question things, but... | ||
| You never even said their name. | ||
| I said Heslin's name one time covering the Megyn Kelly interview, but that was it. | ||
| But still, I do believe that they had some pains. | ||
| This is harassment. | ||
| Like, that Alex is planning out on air. | ||
| This isn't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, this is... | ||
| I'm gonna go act like Dan Badandi. | ||
| Their lawyers don't want me to talk to them, so I'm gonna write a letter and slip it to them so I can invade their space. | ||
| I'm going to go to their house when their lawyers aren't there, and I'm going to slide this letter underneath their doorstep, you know, like a sane person who's not harassing people would do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| So anyway, Scarlett, in particular, Alex seems to be wanting to paint as his new best friend. | ||
| And this is just awful. | ||
| Tuesday. | ||
| I did the morning show for an hour. | ||
| You came in and took over. | ||
| And I said, I believe she's a real person. | ||
| I believe he's real. | ||
| I believe they're manipulating him. | ||
| And I'm sorry. | ||
| It was a 10-minute rant. | ||
| They cut it down to a minute with me saying it didn't happen. | ||
| That's why the video was so blurry. | ||
| It was all blurry. | ||
| You couldn't even see me, really. | ||
| It was just audio. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And I got on the stand and I said, Scarlett, go to the fourth segment. | ||
| Go to 33 After in my show today. | ||
| On stand. | ||
| I said, watch it. | ||
| I said, you're real. | ||
| I said, your son's real. | ||
| Whoever gave that to you is a liar. | ||
| She got up and left, came back an hour later crying, and was like, oh, and she goes, you're right. | ||
| So we broke through that they're being handled and manipulated. | ||
| So is that the lawyers then giving them edited video? | ||
| She said on stand, I was given it by my supporters. | ||
| So the point is, they gave her a minute edited video. | ||
| Imagine the sickos. | ||
| I'm on everything. | ||
| I believe you're real. | ||
| I believe your son died. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| I want to work with you, and I believe that your ex-husband's son died, and he's a great guy. | ||
| I think they manipulated him. | ||
| I think he's kind of simple, not dumb, smart, but very trusting. | ||
| He's a rodeo guy. | ||
| He's a cowboy. | ||
| They're not dumb. | ||
| They're just really trusting, nice people. | ||
| I have family like that. | ||
| So she apparently went and watched the full video that Alex was referring her to. | ||
| She wept and then told Alex that she gets it and she's being used by these lawyers. | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| I genuinely, genuinely think she should sue for defamation. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what else to say about that. | ||
| I would take that as defaming a character. | ||
| I really would. | ||
| I really would take the idea of you claiming that she... | ||
| A person who... | ||
| I fucking don't deserve to be anywhere near her. | ||
| She's so strong and powerful and amazing. | ||
| To claim that she is your friend, Alex Jones, is so fucked up. | ||
| So fucked up. | ||
| I think that one of the central things about what makes... | ||
| The experience so painful is that you're being, as the parents of this child who was killed, you're being deprived of your ability to experience your life on your own terms. | ||
| Someone else is creating a caricature of you, and it's deeply painful. | ||
| And Alex is doing it again. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Here's what happened. | ||
| Alex created a diorama and then dropped it around them and trapped it in there for years. | ||
| For years. | ||
| And they finally fucking got out of it. | ||
| So Alex is just building a different diorama that he's trying to trap them with. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And here's our last clip for our episode for today. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| I have no words for this. | ||
| This is so unacceptable. | ||
| I mean, they are desperate. | ||
| And then, a later break, Heslund said, Hey, buddy, I appreciate you. | ||
| Thanks for admitting my son down. | ||
| I said, Yes, sir. | ||
| I tried to reach out, and his lawyer went, Get over here. | ||
| Here's the clip right here. | ||
| Talk to him like a dog. | ||
| So, we're reaching out to them. | ||
| We're going to Connecticut. | ||
| We're meeting with them. | ||
| We're supporting what they did. | ||
| We're not going to be kept away from these families, and we're not going to be caught in this CIA New World Order propaganda operation. | ||
| It's not Sandy Hook, but it's the media control. | ||
| Owen, great job. | ||
| And we're going to stop school shootings, too. | ||
| With the Second Amendment. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| So, obviously, when he says we're going to Connecticut, that's about his other trial. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The Lafferty case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think... | ||
| That saying we won't be kept from these families is something that is so wrong. | ||
| There is obviously the way he's trying to portray it is like me and the families are on the same side and these evil lawyers are trying to keep us apart because of the power that we could have together in this unity and love and all this, which is nonsense. | ||
| But the... | ||
| The real world, the place where the real world intersects with this bullshit is exactly the same kind of harassing behaviors, encouraging those from the audience. | ||
| Because, you know, let's say that Scarlett or Neil or some of these other families don't behave in the way that you would expect based on Alex's rhetoric. | ||
| Well, you should go talk to them. | ||
| Why aren't they? | ||
| If you're not allowed to, well, these lawyers are keeping them from you. | ||
| It lends itself towards encouraging harassment. | ||
| And beyond anything that we talk about in terms of the lawsuit, this response is... | ||
| I mean, I agree with you as someone who has no legal background at all. | ||
| I think this should be a cause for another action. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Honestly. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I think this should be cause for God creating a mountain so big he couldn't move it, writing, leave them the fuck alone on it, and then dropping it on Alex's head. | ||
| Yeah, I think you just... | ||
| I mean, look, I don't want to use the kids' terms, but you've got to take the L on this one, Alex. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| You've got to just walk away. | ||
| Just leave them alone! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Just leave them alone! | ||
| I don't know what kind of bullshit game he's doing to try and save face or create. | ||
| The enemy is these lawyers and not the families, and now I'm best friends with them. | ||
| But, like, this is exploitative. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It's abusive. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| And it's the kind of behavior that lends itself towards his audience not behaving in ways that you'd want. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I believe exactly that what he did was what he did. | ||
| I believe it wholeheartedly. | ||
| You knew it was going to happen. | ||
| That's exactly how it was going to go. | ||
| It wasn't going to be a, hey, listen, I'm sorry, we're never going to talk about Sandy Hook again. | ||
| It wouldn't even have been just a quick one. | ||
| Like, hey, listen, judgment turns out it was better than we hoped for. | ||
| Frankly, I was fucking up. | ||
| Let's not talk about Sandy Hook ever again. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Honestly, honestly, I'm putting the words on the board. | ||
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Verboten! | |
| Now, I am going to actually instead. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| But instead, what I'm going to do... | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| I am going to go for the challenge mode of life, and I'm going to try and pill the family. | ||
| That is for experienced players only, my friend. | ||
| I've been doing this 28 years, baby. | ||
| All right, I guess if you want to go with the challenging mode, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't played Dark Souls in a long time, but it's pretty hard. | ||
| Yeah, I found this deeply upsetting and offensive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that is why this is where we break for this episode. | ||
| Because I don't know... | ||
| I don't know how else to, like, really put a button and stress, like, that is what Alex did after the compensatory damages were passed. | ||
| Right after. | ||
| And it sucks. | ||
| He'll never learn any lessons. | ||
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Nope. | |
| He's a piece of shit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| Indeed we will! | ||
| Tomorrow, with another episode. | ||
| Part two! | ||
| Wrapping this baby up. | ||
| And also tomorrow you can find us on a majority report. | ||
| Oh, that's true! | ||
| So... | ||
| That'll be noon central, 1pm eastern. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't do time math. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I can. | ||
| I don't know why I said I couldn't. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| What are you, Doctor Who? | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
| So, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| And we're on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| Dreamy Creamy Summer is happening, man. | ||
| Eat some ice cream. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |