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Oct. 14, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#735: October 12, 2022

#735: October 12, 2022 dissects Alex Jones’ $1.2B (potentially $2.5B) defamation verdict after Sandy Hook lies, his defiant fundraising claims ($200K vs. $35K from Dan/Jordan’s charity), and bizarre post-verdict rants—like Steve Quayle’s "sober Jesus sighting" and Alex’s sleep paralysis theories. Jones frames the ruling as persecution, blaming Mattei while promoting 1776coin.com discounts, but his hosts mock his legal strategy and audience dwindle. The episode reveals how conspiracy culture thrives on victimhood, yet crumbles under financial and credibility strain. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 12:37
d
dan friesen
43:45
j
jordan holmes
25:53
Appearances
c
chris mattei
00:36
n
norm pattis
02:21
o
owen shroyer
winn 02:20
r
robert barnes
01:20
s
steve quayle
04:00
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
And I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Tandy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
It's time to pray.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the earth.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin color.
I'm a huge fan.
steve quayle
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm George.
dan friesen
A couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, sing my way, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Regrets.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
I've had a few.
jordan holmes
What is your regret spot today?
dan friesen
Actually, my regret spot today is kind of interesting.
unidentified
Interesting.
dan friesen
Alex Jones, as we all know, lost a big, big, big verdict on Wednesday.
Sure.
And as is sort of tradition because we put out too much content, the instant reaction that folks had, I got a lot of messages about, oh, there's going to be an emergency episode tonight.
Well, that was on Wednesday.
And on Wednesdays, Survivor happens.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Me and my friend Angela Lampsberry generally get together and watch Survivor.
Although we've not been able to, it's already like three episodes into the game.
jordan holmes
It's been a struggle.
No, I understand.
We've talked.
dan friesen
So we have this whole thing of like everyone wants an emergency episode, and simultaneously everyone's like, hey, Dan, take a day off.
Torn between two worlds.
jordan holmes
It is a difficult situation.
dan friesen
So I went and watched Survivor.
And that's my bright spot.
The good season of Survivor.
Pretty fun.
jordan holmes
I'm glad.
dan friesen
Some fun characters on it.
But also, I went over and I got this enamel pin from.
This is Kevin from Up the Bird.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
You love Kevin from Up the Bird.
dan friesen
Favorite thing.
jordan holmes
It is your favorite animated character of all time.
dan friesen
So playful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Makes up for how bad Up is as a movie.
Yeah, I said it.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's dangerous.
I think everybody remembers the first five minutes and then forgets the rest of it.
dan friesen
I have some troubling feelings about that movie as a whole.
And that first five minutes was a problem.
Dark.
jordan holmes
I didn't ask for it.
dan friesen
It's not the darkness of it.
I have some unpopular opinions about whether or not their relationship was healthy.
I did an entire podcast about this years and years ago back in stand-up days.
So I don't want to rehash it now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now's not the time.
dan friesen
Kevin the Bird, saving Grace.
jordan holmes
Still the best.
dan friesen
And I love this enamel pin, and the fact that it has a stand on it because it's so big, you can stand it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's good stuff.
dan friesen
That's going to be with me forever.
So thank you, Angela Lampsberry.
I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Bright spot.
jordan holmes
What about you?
My bright spot, Dan, is two albums got dropped.
Two on the same day.
Very, very good.
Not sure if it was the same day, but whatever.
Freddie Gibbs album?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Freddie Gibbs killing it.
Everybody for the past, his last three albums, they're like, he's the best rap.
He's pretty great.
And then the Yeah, yeah, yeah, came back with a new album.
The yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know.
And you know what they sound like?
A different band.
It sounds more like Carano's more recent stuff.
But it's great.
It's really good.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like it.
I like them both.
dan friesen
I got to be honest with you.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
The Yeah, yeah, yeah, right in that spot where, like, I think I was in college when they were really popular.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I hated the people who were into, quote, college rock.
And they got put in that box.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
But I do know maps from Rock Band.
This is not.
I should have been.
jordan holmes
No, we're all very excited for that.
We're all really happy you know maps from rock band.
dan friesen
That's how I discovered.
unidentified
No, they have a really interesting backstory.
jordan holmes
It's kind of fascinating.
You know, that New York pop.
No, no, it would be dance punk scene from with the rapture and LCD sound system and yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all coming up at the same time, release their debut massive album on the same day as and the blueprint, the blueprint, same day, and it was also 9-11.
That was also the reason that I remember that specifically.
It happened on 9-11.
dan friesen
You buried the lead a little bit.
jordan holmes
That was my personal 9-11.
It's 9-11.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I was actually, I just, as you were saying that, I got really deep into my head about how much stuff I discovered through rock band.
Sure.
And honestly, my parents didn't like the Beatles because they were very druggy.
And so there wasn't that influence in my childhood.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I didn't explore a ton of older music as I was coming up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like a lot of that energy got put into weird hip-hop.
Sure.
And so that I have an encyclopedic background.
jordan holmes
You are a St. Lunatic, my friend.
dan friesen
That's my tattooist of St. Louis.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But look, I don't have that about classic rock stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So a lot of that is kind of like a big blind spot.
jordan holmes
We're old if classic rock is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
What I was getting to is the Beatles.
norm pattis
Yes.
dan friesen
When Beatles' Rock Band came out, I didn't know most of those songs.
And then yesterday is on there.
I was like, I know this song.
I just didn't know it was the Beatles.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's fascinating.
22.
I have unpopular opinions about the Beatles and how much I despise them.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
But what are you going to do?
dan friesen
Well, let's not get into it now.
Let's do it another day.
jordan holmes
Now's not the time.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, Alex lost a case.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I've heard.
dan friesen
The verdict came in on Wednesday, and like I said, people tried to get me to not watch Survivor with my friend.
jordan holmes
Bastards.
dan friesen
But I persisted in watching Survivor.
And here we are.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
We didn't want to do this on Mike because we'd run the risk of getting a bunch of champagne on my table.
But we have a bottle of champagne that we are raising.
This is a Argyle is the name of Sabrute.
Yeah, and it's also Argyle, the fitting name, street here in Chicago in Uptown.
jordan holmes
True.
unidentified
A lot of these restaurants.
jordan holmes
A lot of our episodes recorded on Argyle.
dan friesen
Not true.
Ainslie, the street.
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
Street over.
Yeah, that was my old hood where the podcast started.
So it's very fitting.
And so, yeah, we're having a little champagne while we discuss this.
Sort of going back to our roots.
Absolutely.
unidentified
I wish I could get Boglejub champagne, but unfortunately.
jordan holmes
Bogle.
I understand it.
It's Bogle.
dan friesen
But if they were going to get champion, yes.
I feel like that wasn't the first wine we drank.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
The first wine we drank was very cheap.
dan friesen
So was Bogle.
Yes.
Anyway, Jordan, today we're going to be talking about the events of the 12th.
That is the day of the announcement of the verdict.
This is Wednesday.
And so there's a couple things that we're going to be covering.
Certainly, this will be incomplete.
We'll have an episode that comes out this weekend that'll be a little bit of a special thing for folks.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But then on Monday, I hope to get into a little bit more even of the aftermath.
But I decided that what we would do is we would talk about Alex's response to the verdict, a little bit of the war room.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex did a special show that evening.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so we'll talk about that.
jordan holmes
I hear what you're saying is thoroughness is the enemy of immediacy.
That's what I'm hearing.
dan friesen
Yeah, generally.
And sometimes things need to marinate a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
So we're going to get into this talking about October 12th and the bullshit that happens.
But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, D of Team Stats.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you so much too.
Hi to Brianna from Rob.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, kudos to Judge for her restraint in not throwing a gavel at Alex.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And I should be clear, that was about the Texas case.
That's how far back we are.
jordan holmes
I imagine so, but let's not worry about it.
dan friesen
Next, Robert, I love you.
That's from Andra.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
And I hope you know Robert and this isn't a weird thing that's happening.
dan friesen
Not a parasocial thing, Robert Emma.
And the Goblin King of England.
Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
That is Paul Joseph Watson, according to some.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
Okay.
So Sister Petra.
Oh, no.
Oh.
In parentheses.
Uh-oh.
It says pronounce Petra.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn.
Damn.
You started reading too fast from the top.
From the top.
Let's edit that part out.
dan friesen
Sister Petra for being my fellow wonk and shouting and learning with me.
As from Elkie, thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little break now.
A little breakie for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil.
I got to be taken off here.
I've been all this.
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
I got plenty of words for you.
But at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
He may never have to come back here tomorrow.
robert barnes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
At some point.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
dan friesen
He's not better today.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So before we get into this, Jordan, I have another context drop for you to enjoy.
alex jones
I could fart and have a million viewers.
I'm not bragging.
It's just true.
Because you're awesome folks.
You tune in.
But we don't fart here.
We've given you real information.
dan friesen
We don't fart here.
jordan holmes
If you want that shit, you go to OnlyFans.
You go to OnlyFans for farts.
dan friesen
Alex on OnlyFans.
No, don't bring any images.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, InfoWars isn't going to go away.
Why not InfoFans?
dan friesen
There's an interesting aspect to this that, like, I think Alex could fart and have just the audience that he does because the things that he does aren't any more informative than farts.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
These people are just stuck.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of a French man, I believe it was called Le Petit Main.
And he would fart, but he was really, really good at it.
He could make a bunch of different impressions of animals through his farting.
He was famous for having an enema every morning.
He farted for kings, my friends.
That is how great he was.
He was an entertainer who farted his ass off.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, Alex is farting for his life.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So we all know why we're here today.
So I decided to just blow past the first few hours of bullshit and rambling about nukes on Alex's show to get down to when the verdict is read.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
This happened literally right after Alex had signed off in the fourth hour of his show.
This is him going to break for commercials at 16 after the top of the hour.
He just leaves.
alex jones
Get your X3.
Get your vitamin Mineral Fusion.
Get it all at InfowarStore.com.
All right, Jay Dyer takes over for the next 45 minutes.
The No and Stroy, and like I said, I'll be back at 6 p.m. Central.
Please magnify the broadcast.
You are the power.
You're the reason we're successful.
Share the links tonight.
Tell folks tune into this emergency broadcast.
dan friesen
Naturally, Alex did not leave.
And Jay Dyer got the bump because after the commercial break, Alex comes back, and here's where we are.
alex jones
All right.
Jay Dyer was set to host.
They just handed me a note during the break.
jordan holmes
What did it say?
alex jones
And it is: verdict will be read in about two minutes.
So that's from my lawyer, Norm Pattis.
It's being announced.
They had a total show trial.
They are now having the Secretary of State in Texas say they want to sue me for questioning the election, saying I unleashed hell on them.
Didn't even question the Texas election.
Republicans won.
But just total made-up crap.
dan friesen
Oof, that's an unfortunate reveal of Alex's true feelings.
He didn't question the Texas election because Republicans won.
jordan holmes
Duh.
dan friesen
Sure sounds like someone who's driven by concerns that are sincere about election integrity.
jordan holmes
Hey, now, that might be him revealing too much in an offhand comment that he didn't think anybody would pay attention to.
dan friesen
He's above the left-right paradigm.
jordan holmes
Totally, because Republicans won.
And that's when you're above the left-right paragraph.
dan friesen
So, about this, the Texas Secretary of State came out and made some comments about how severe the harassment that election workers had been getting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
And Alex Jones is definitely a part of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's mentioned.
dan friesen
He's not going to get sued for this.
That's not.
I don't think that was even in.
I read an article in The Hill about it.
That wasn't even a part of he should face consequences for this.
He should realize that there is this consequence for the future.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
We're already there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We've got the consequences down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex goes to the verdict, and I will say to his credit, he is not under any pretense that this is going to go well.
alex jones
Okay.
But just total made-up crap where a public official, including an FBI agent, never said his name, don't know who his name didn't even know who he was, so he sued me.
Suing me for $550 million is part of this.
They won $8.25 billion just in the first count.
There's four counts.
That's what the lawyers asked for last week for questioning Sandy Hook.
Never said the name of the FBI agent.
So now bureaucrats can sue you under this precedent for asking questions.
So they're about to announce the verdict.
The jury took like four days of deliberation time, not counting the weekend, to come back.
Here is the judge.
Let's go to the audio of the biggest show trial in U.S. history with the jury.
jordan holmes
We'll see the way that we're going to.
alex jones
We'll see if they saw through it.
I don't think they will.
They're already told I'm guilty.
dan friesen
Here it is.
See if they saw through it.
See if we pilled them.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think we did.
jordan holmes
Hey, let's throw this one out there.
dan friesen
I think Norm shanked it.
I mean, I don't think it went well.
jordan holmes
It might as well have been him being like, I'm going to get down on my knees for a little while.
I'm going to pray into this microphone.
And the news is going to be bad.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I'm under no pretense that this is.
There's no good news coming, folks.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you, folks, you know how much I believe in God?
Well, I don't believe in him enough to think he's going to help me out here.
dan friesen
I am not going to get a miracle.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So he has a prediction about this.
He actually has some numbers in mind.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
The judge looks pleased.
Probably $200 million.
I don't have any money, so it's all a big joke.
This is their trial.
This is them up there.
There's Blumenthal's son, the anti-gun Democrat, running all this.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is a good way to experience it.
One of the lawyers is the son of Senator Blumenthal.
unidentified
And so, of course, this is all because of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, that makes perfect sense.
It is a convincing thing that Alex is saying right now.
dan friesen
I find myself persuaded.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's obvious.
dan friesen
So, this is 200 million is what he's saying he thinks.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He does say that he had an all-hands meeting like a couple days before, and he predicted a billion.
So, I don't know if there was something about the judge's body language that talked him down from that billion prediction to 200 million.
Right.
But as the 900 million plus verdict comes along, he's like, I always knew it was going to be a billion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, it's nice to be an asshole for once and then all of a sudden be like, ah, see, I was right.
dan friesen
It's also nice to just play fast and loose with predictions.
jordan holmes
If the only hashtag for Alex Jones was right was him predicting he would lose a billion dollars, I would agree.
I'd be like, hashtag Alex Jones was right.
dan friesen
To be fair, I'm not sure there's any public version of him predicting that outside of their half-years.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
So, Alex has some feelings about what's going on in this courtroom, and they're pretty troubling.
unidentified
Would you please pass the birds to me?
alex jones
then you can be seated this is the amendment absolving themselves all the war crimes everything Sorry, when?
Media is good.
I'm bad.
dan friesen
So, this is a weird comment because, in a way, what he's suggesting is that he's some kind of an unwilling Christ figure for the media.
By sacrificing him, they're purging their own sin and casting it onto Alex.
But Alex hates the media, and he doesn't want their sin.
So, this is just bizarre.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, so wait.
So, Alex has hated the mainstream media for forever for doing things that he insists that he never does.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
However, the mainstream media has apparently chosen him as the avatar for all the bad things they do that he does.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
So, he's admitting that he does those things.
dan friesen
I don't know.
No, not, I don't think so.
He is without sin.
That's why he must be the vessel for their sin.
jordan holmes
Nah, they don't tell that about the real Christ story.
He's kind of an asshole.
dan friesen
Well, he killed a kid.
jordan holmes
I mean, well, I mean, he fought dragons.
He killed a kid.
He brought the kid back to life, though.
dan friesen
Whatever the case, Alex does sincerely look at this as like, I am Christ-like.
alex jones
On the Virgin Nuclear War, this is happening.
I question the mass shooting.
I questioned Jesse Smollett.
WMD's in Iraq.
I'm a thought criminal.
Judge found me guilty.
Tell the jury how guilty I was.
She's pausing to give the media time to all dial in to their full effect.
Try to give credibility to the corporate system again, which they'll never bring back.
It's a dinosaur trying to be resurrected.
Come on, crucify me.
Let's get it going.
dan friesen
I really feel like he's getting impatient with the process and just being like, well, I'm doing a show, and I'm tuning in for the verdict so I can do like some sort of a pageant about it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And there's lulls here, and I have to fill that time.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
I'm doing a show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's kind of a tension.
jordan holmes
No, So, what you should do in the trial where the point is you made a bunch of money off of hurting these people is try and make a lot of money off of hurting them.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
When they, oh, no, that's bad.
dan friesen
Well, that's pretty much what's going to be happening.
I mean, here's a plug in the middle of waiting for the numbers.
alex jones
People are pathetic.
Their rule over this country is over.
So proud of our work.
So proud of your support.
Get two years of appeals now.
They won't shut us down.
You support us.
Infowarstore.com, saveinfowars.com, donate now.
Bite these monsters.
dan friesen
No, I mean, you know, there's downtime.
The court, they're shuffling papers around.
The bailiff's coming up to get the papers and what have you.
Why not throw in a little saveinfowars.com, baby?
jordan holmes
Man, if he was in the courtroom while the bailiff was shuffling papers around, he'd be like, I got to go outside so I can say that people need to donate money before the verdict is read.
dan friesen
Also, buy food.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
There's a weird thing where he's saying, like, the judge is pausing in order to get the media to tune in for maximum impact.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He knows that more people are tuning in to him to see his reaction to the verdict.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
He's doing these plugs in the lull between things.
He's playing the same game he's accusing the court of doing.
jordan holmes
I will give the judge perhaps some of the most credit that a reactionary person as myself can give, which is that she read pages upon pages, like 15 pages.
I don't know how many pages.
She read them so quietly.
dan friesen
Didn't laugh.
jordan holmes
Didn't say a word.
Didn't show an emotion.
She was reading out a billion dollars and was like, hmm, a billion dollars.
dan friesen
Interesting.
You know what you have to do to pass the secondary bar that gets you to be a judge?
jordan holmes
Just faceless.
dan friesen
What you have to do is you have to wear one of those clear helmets with a scorpion in it.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good idea.
unidentified
You have to make no reaction whatsoever.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's smart.
That's smart.
dan friesen
You have to be able to keep a real stiff upper lip.
jordan holmes
I swear, I don't know if I could read that first page.
She read the first page as an adult, a human adult, and it said $120 million.
dan friesen
And she did not immediately go, you have a job and a position and an office and all that, but you are a human.
And it seems tough.
Maybe you don't laugh.
jordan holmes
A miracle.
unidentified
To go, whoo, something like, whoa, Nelly.
dan friesen
Or make some facial.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
Nothing.
She was dead.
It was amazing.
dan friesen
Pro.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is saying he has this two years of appeals.
And that may be fairly close to accurate in terms of how the projection of how the process could work out.
But he also is losing faith that they're going to read the verdict.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He's getting so annoyed with the pauses.
alex jones
SaveInfowars.com, InfowarsStore.com.
That's how you resist getting great products at the same time.
We will appeal this.
We're in such tyranny, they'll probably say no in the appeal, but two years left, whatever, or the edge of nuclear war, doesn't even matter.
It shows how tone-def these people are.
But I wanted to air a report.
I said I would get to it.
I didn't.
Weather weaponization of Hurricane Ian.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
They want a 5G control your body.
They want a poison injection control your body.
They want to be able to control the weather.
And they admit they're doing it all, but they say it's a conspiracy theory and we talk about it.
unidentified
All right, so we can bring it.
alex jones
Oh, wait, they're coming back.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
Got to push back that weather weapon.
jordan holmes
I mean, if here's the problem: if weather weapons are real.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Honestly, losing a billion dollars doesn't seem that important to me.
I'd be like, they have weather weapons.
All is, all bets are off.
dan friesen
If Alex's shit was real at all, there's so many more important things to do than a million.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Navel gaze for your trial.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But it is what it is.
jordan holmes
Why are you mad about millions of dollars when 90% of the population is going to be dead soon?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, nuclear war, millions of people being killed by the COVID vaccine, weather weapons.
jordan holmes
The whole thing.
dan friesen
Boy, it's severe.
But also, look at this court.
jordan holmes
He's not having a good time.
dan friesen
So, bro, he is.
He's having a great time.
He's very positive.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
unidentified
Just bear with me, all right?
alex jones
Corrupt, guilty system.
Wanted to scapegoat me as the bad guy when they're the bad guys.
No one believes them.
Everybody hates them and has half a brain.
Their system's over.
They know it.
They're in full panic mode.
This is exactly what I expected.
dan friesen
It's very, there's a pump-upness to it.
There's a positive, like, yeah, all right.
They're the bad guys.
jordan holmes
I knew I was walking into the lion's den.
I'm not surprised there are lions there.
unidentified
Yeah, I got it.
dan friesen
And, you know, we talk about this a bit, this dynamic of Alex interpreting consequences and negative feedback as virtue, as symbols of virtue.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so for this, it's like, it's basically a revealing of how virtuous he is.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, understood in InfoWars world, this is like, how over the target am I?
A billion dollars over the target.
jordan holmes
I have 965 million good person units that I was awarded in this trial.
Now, I know that says they get money, but I got good person units in now.
dan friesen
That's not real.
And I don't actually believe that deep down.
No.
But that is the public presentation of it.
So when we get to the first count read for the first plaintiff, which is Robbie Parker, he ends up with a $120 million judgment.
And here's Alex.
unidentified
To plaintiff Robbie Parker, A. Defamation slash slander damages past and future, $60 million.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Emotional distress damages past and future, $60 million.
Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Robert Parker and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems at line A and line B, total $120 million.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
Here's what I'll say.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If they sued me and got a judgment of $120 million, you know, I'm going to laugh and shout because fucking go for it, man.
You can have all of my money and $100 million.
We got, look, fine.
You know, what you're suing me for is what I've got.
Alex actually has $120 million, so that first judgment must have been like, fuck!
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if I'm sued for, even if I have $120 million per se, Sure.
If I'm sued for it and the judgment is being read, and I also have other cases that are still pending, I'm probably not going to laugh at that judgment.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That looks a little bad in terms of like, you know, you want to play this other courts?
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
We hit him with a billion-dollar judgment.
jordan holmes
And he went, ah, yay!
You're right.
dan friesen
It probably leads one to believe that these penalties cannot be high enough in terms of getting him to change any of his behaviors.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
He's kind of experiencing a moment like how I love to the nuclear bomb.
Like it was that kind of like he's Slim Pickens on the nuclear bomb, just riding it.
Wee!
But Slim Pickens dies immediately after that.
He doesn't have to then go to court.
dan friesen
Well, that's why it's art.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, it's like a child who gets sent to timeout and you have to go sit in the bathroom and then they break things in the bathroom.
And it's like, well, all timeout's not going to work.
We have to escalate this stuff.
jordan holmes
The sun is available and we have rockets.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, basically all he can do is cheer.
unidentified
Francine Wheeler.
A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $24 million.
Yeah.
B, emotional distress damages past and future, $30 million.
Yeah.
Higher, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Francine Wheeler and against Alex Jones at Free Speech Systems at like A and like B, total $54 million.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's nothing really more insightful than that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Woo!
dan friesen
And numbers.
I mean, it's just, it's, I think he's just trying to put a brave face forward and, again, play into that.
Like, this means I'm so right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're that afraid of me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I find it a little bit boring, honestly, as a response.
jordan holmes
I mean, I can't imagine my response because that's an absurd.
dan friesen
Like, I mean, there's so many steps you would have to go through to get to the point where you would be experiencing this response to change you along the way and prepare you to be a shithead in that moment.
jordan holmes
For sure.
I think just I wouldn't be surprised really if hearing those words didn't come off as unreal to him.
Like, it was a fully surreal moment for me.
Like, the moment, the first moment they said $60 million, I lost my shit.
You know, like, I was like, I can't believe that this.
dan friesen
That's pretty surprising.
jordan holmes
It was.
And I imagine for Alex, it has to have been like, well, this is clearly pretend and I'm dreaming.
You know, because he's very little attached to reality in the first place.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Is there any movie about this that Alex can pretend was predictive programming for him?
jordan holmes
I'll tell you this.
Not fucking yet.
norm pattis
No.
jordan holmes
There will be.
dan friesen
Fingers crossed one day you get to make that movie, Jordan, and the casting will be weird.
jordan holmes
It is going to be weird.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, there's just a bunch of celebration and like, it just feels like a game to him, honestly.
alex jones
Get those numbers out.
unidentified
Two plaintiffs Ian Hotley.
alex jones
And they're not down there.
norm pattis
We see what everybody is.
unidentified
This is like.
Slater damages past and future.
$38 million.
alex jones
Good.
unidentified
B, emotional distress damages past and future, $43,600,000.
alex jones
Good.
unidentified
Total $50,000.
alex jones
We don't have a billion.
I'm not at it.
I want to be the billion dollar man.
unidentified
And against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems.
jordan holmes
So close.
unidentified
At line A and line B, $81,600,000.
Initial by juror number one.
alex jones
Good.
dan friesen
Yeah, good.
So yeah, he keeps saying like, bump it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, at a certain point, it's like, well, you're going to, if you're going to have all this above, you might as well make it comical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does feel like this is your, like, this is your team in the Super Bowl, right?
And you're down 21.3, and the other team is at the 10-yard line, and you're just like, yeah, man, run up the score.
I want to lose by 100.
That sounds fucking great, man.
I didn't like this football game anyway.
dan friesen
I want to set records.
jordan holmes
Totally.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If we're going to lose, we should lose by the most there's ever been.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Losing by 100 in the Super Bowl just proves how right you were.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
It means that I was better at football than anybody.
dan friesen
So, yeah, and you know, along the way, there's not a whole lot of content, but he does take a couple avenues to introduce some like, I don't know, anti-trans commentary.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
$18,600,000.
alex jones
So this is what a show trial looks like.
I mean, this is the left completely out of control, doing whatever they want, like drag queen story time, two making have a baby.
I mean, this is what they do.
This is their panacea.
unidentified
At line A and line B, $57,600,000.
alex jones
$57,000,000, $20 million, $50 million, $80 million, $100 million, blah, blah, blah.
You get a million.
You get $100 million.
You get a $50 million.
dan friesen
Nice Oprah there.
Reference to Oprah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's dear friend Ofra Winfrey.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he enjoyed her show.
dan friesen
Look, I mean, there's not a lot going on here outside of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine.
dan friesen
I'll be totally clear.
I mean, if you want, you can watch the video and see his facial expressions and what have you, but like, it's just a bunch of, yeah, bump it up.
jordan holmes
It'd be better.
Oh, man.
What if he had played my way slowly, like a little bit underneath?
dan friesen
It's so much more fitting.
jordan holmes
Oh, that would have been great.
dan friesen
That whole pageant from the other day would have been perfect here.
jordan holmes
Immediately, like, interspersed with the verdict being read, like, $60 million.
You know, like, that's what it should have been.
dan friesen
It would have had like thematic artistic purpose thing.
jordan holmes
It would have been a show.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whereas this is just kind of boring.
And I think Alex even gets bored of listening to these numbers.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Okay, so this is going to take hours and hours here about the billions and billions and billions I owe.
Let's put up Drudge Report right now for people.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Billion dollars owed by Alex Jones.
I personally don't have $2 million.
The company's almost completely out of money.
We're in bankruptcy.
There's two appeals.
It'll take years.
There's caps on almost all of this.
This is just completely, absolutely made up.
And now the Democratic Party run CNN bought it years ago.
Literally, I was told that.
Drudge Report is just up there celebrating this.
They want to scare everybody away from freedom and scare us away from questioning Uvalde and what really happened there or Parkland or any other event.
And guess what?
We're not scared and we're not going away and we're not going to stop.
And literally, for hundreds of thousands of dollars, I can keep them in court for years.
I can appeal this stuff.
We can stand up against this travesty against the billions of dollars they want.
It's a joke.
So please go to InfowarStore.com.
dan friesen
He's decided that the Drudge Report is bad now again.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So that's fun.
jordan holmes
Anyone who reports that he was not the hero who received an unfair kangaroo court billion-dollar judgment is now evil.
dan friesen
These shifting alliances are hard to keep track of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when the devil's involved.
dan friesen
So Alex, I mean, this is in the fourth hour.
It takes a while for these verdicts to be read.
And so Alex runs out of time.
And the war room starts.
And I thought Alex would be riding shotgun with the ball.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Just stay in the chair.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Owen takes over.
alex jones
Boo.
dan friesen
And I will say, Owen tries to put on a brave face.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
owen shroyer
All you Googlers, all you Democrats, all you globalists, all you evil freaks, all you pedophiles, all tuning into InfoWars today, hoping that you're going to be celebrating and basking in our depression, our oppression, and the attacks against us.
No.
We've never felt better, actually.
You've given us the biggest victory of all time.
You've confirmed that everything we've been fighting for is real, or you've confirmed everything we're fighting against is real.
You've only solidified our dedication to the truth.
dan friesen
This seems convincing.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Man, if everybody was celebrating my downfall, the last thing I would do was get up on a public place and be like, I'm not downfalling.
No, Literally, I'm not mad.
I'd be like, I'm going to go away.
dan friesen
This is a billion-dollar judgment against the company that is the only people who would ever employ me in any media capacity is not a problem for me at all.
jordan holmes
I think I would have my resume on the screen and I'd be deleting the years I worked for InfoWars.
dan friesen
I would also be showcasing skills on air.
I'd be juggling.
I'd be spinning plates.
I'd be just doing whatever I could to be like someone fucking hire me.
jordan holmes
Frankly, with Owen, just demonstrate basic XL skills.
That'll go a longer way than anything else he does right now.
dan friesen
So one of the things he does, not juggling, not Excel, not plate spinning, he interviews Norm Pattis.
Norm comes on to do a post-mortem.
jordan holmes
What in God's Damn it?
How does that man live on the day-to-day when he wakes up and looks at his dumb ponytail in the mirror every morning?
unidentified
What does he think?
dan friesen
You know, you ever seen that Faithfully video by Journey?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So the music video, you know, The Road is No Place to Start.
Sure.
Sure.
There's a shot in it that always sticks out in my mind, and that's Steve Perry.
He has a mustache.
There's a shot of him very soulfully shaving his mustache, looking in the mirror, and there's just, after a beating like Norm had in court, I just picture him like looking in a mirror and just soulfully cutting off the ponytail.
unidentified
I mean, right?
jordan holmes
Shouldn't he have to?
Isn't that a rebrand?
I just feel like there's some sort of warrior code where if you lose that bad.
Like, I'm not saying that there's any kind of, it's just, you know, you cut your ponytail off if you lose that bad.
dan friesen
I will say to Norm's credit, and one of the few times I'll say that, Owen is trying to do this like we're actually as happy as we've ever been.
Norm at least has the perspective of like, that was a beating.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good.
Good.
dan friesen
There's a lot of things we can do, but that was bad.
jordan holmes
That was about as bad as it could go.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Norm, actually, his message that he brings to Owen is.
jordan holmes
It's so bad that Ilian starts with a B.
owen shroyer
And it might end with an S. Norm Pattis, representing Alex Jones in this case.
He was in the courtroom there.
He has joined us on the phone now.
So we're going to get his first response to this.
$1 billion, Norm.
It's time to start cutting the checks.
norm pattis
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, either that or printing more monopoly money.
It was pretty astounding.
And what's more, that's just the beginning.
There'll be an attorney's fee application, which could increase this by about 40% to the 1.4 billion.
And then Judge Bellis will also have the ability to make a separate finding on punitive damages.
unidentified
So by the time this is done, it could easily be $2.5 billion.
dan friesen
It's like, Owen, you think this is bad?
Let me double it for you.
jordan holmes
Man, I could not be happier with Norm's wet blanket on Owen's bullshit brave face.
dan friesen
Well, I also think that this is probably a smart thing to do because then if you end up with $1 billion, it's like, well, I'm going to hear two and a half.
jordan holmes
It could have been two and a half.
Yeah, yeah, come on.
I do appreciate that Norm really, really feels like in the moment that this is a problem that is worth $2.5 billion.
He really feels it.
He knows.
dan friesen
So it sends a chilling message, though.
It's the thing.
It's to Alex?
No, to other people who want to have free speech.
Now, Alex has been just crowing constantly about how he's going to appeal.
We're going to fight this forever.
Norm is his lawyer, and Norm in this clip says he doesn't know if Alex is going to appeal.
norm pattis
Good call.
It's a huge verdict, and it sends a chilling message.
I think the message that it sends is that, you know, if you are outside the mainstream media, if you're challenging the orthodoxy and the orthodoxy determines what you said isn't true, there's now a body of law, if this stands on appeal, by the way, and we will, I hope Alex takes the appeal, you know, that would say you're responsible for what anybody said if you've uttered an untruth.
dan friesen
That's not the message at all.
And if Alex takes the appeal, Alex is fundraising for the appeal incessantly already.
So that doesn't feel right.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He should be saying we're already at work on the appeal.
jordan holmes
Mean he should be saying that Alex is fundraising to avoid having to deal with.
I mean, here's the problem with an appeal.
Okay is, at an appeal, unlike at this current trial, they can't bring in the evidence that you know there was already a $50 million judgment against Alex.
At no point in time in the trial could they be like hey jury, just so you know, we've run this game before and Alex lost, you know.
So in an appeals court you could be like hey, guess what?
Four separate juries awarded billions of dollars.
dan friesen
Well, but the.
The question becomes like, is there a procedural problem with this case?
Sure, and that would be what you would be appealing on.
And if Norm, as the lawyer like, he would know what the grounds for the appeal are.
Sure, and he would probably be involved in it as Alex's lawyer.
jordan holmes
Well, he would be the reason that it's a mistrial.
dan friesen
Now, that's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah hey, this one's on me, this one's my deal.
jordan holmes
Oh, did I get the worst judgment in history?
Nah man, I got the biggest mistrial in history.
dan friesen
Um, but yeah, this feeling though, this sentiment that uh, consequences are a sign of virtue right, is just like everywhere through life, everywhere.
Owen Owen is very deeply entrenched in that I think that just this just confirms it.
owen shroyer
I mean, most people would say that America is corrupt, most people would say that this country has a corruption problem politically, and so then you would make the statement you'd say, well, how do you know who's fighting the corruption?
Well, who gets attacked by the establishment the most?
Who gets attacked by the deep state the most?
Who do they go after the most?
And once again, the name is Alex Jones the.
The institution, the news organization is INFO WARS.
NOW I don't know if you can get into the future as far as you know, appealing this or whatever, because I know the audience is going to want to know what, what the future might hold as far as appeals are concerned, but I you know I'd get your response to it like this, let's try to put it into a real world situation for the future.
Let's say that back in December of 2020, you go on air and you question the efficacy of the COVID vaccine.
Well oh, now you're getting sued by the companies that made the COVID vaccine.
But here we are, a year later and now they're admitting the COVID vaccines are not safe or effective.
Folks, that's what they're trying to silence.
Is somebody saying what they believe to be true, which might ultimately be the truth.
They don't want it out there, norm.
dan friesen
So no one's getting sued for that, right and like.
Here's a short list of claims that might be actionable against Alex for family members of people who lost people.
I mean to Covid, who didn't do anything because Alex said it was safe.
Remember when he he said it was like a, it was a race specific bioweapon.
I mean, that seems like something that might be weird.
Or when he said it was only killing males.
That was, that was a little thing.
jordan holmes
I feel like what Owen just said.
dan friesen
Or when he had David Icon and David Icke said viruses aren't even right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true, you only accept them into your body.
dan friesen
But David Icke hasn't even been sued for these things.
jordan holmes
No, I feel like what Eln just said is we're grateful that the vaccine itself does not have grounds to sue or a consciousness, Because if it did, it would.
dan friesen
Well, no, I think the virus would owe Alex.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
The virus owes Alex a lot.
dan friesen
I think that Owen's example that he's using there is shit, and that's because Alex would never have been sued if all he was doing was questioning a shooting.
You have to come up with these fake arguments because the underlying points that he's trying to make just aren't true.
jordan holmes
I mean, his entire show is evidence for why this is different.
Like, he does all the stuff that he says.
He's like, oh, I question this.
alex jones
I question this.
jordan holmes
I question this.
And no one has a problem.
It's this that he's getting sued for.
How is that not consistently pointed out to them?
dan friesen
It seems relevant.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
Also, this brute is not very good.
Are you sure this isn't like a giant champagne-filled champagne bottle-shaped thing of cologne?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You are a kind of cologne.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you this right now.
The Willamette Valley is not going to be happy with your reviews.
dan friesen
Nothing but respect for Willamette Valley.
jordan holmes
Hey, as much as I love Oregon, I'm going to tell you something, Willamette.
dan friesen
So, Norm, like I said, I think some of his perspective is maybe a little bit more forgivable or at least more palatable than some of the other folks.
And this one, I think, is right in there.
And that is Norm being like, if I hadn't shown up, it wouldn't have been like, maybe he'd be better off.
norm pattis
I think that's what they used to do to dissidents in Stalin's Russia.
Now, yeah, the Sandy Hook parents were lovely people.
They made good witnesses.
There were things to argue about in this case, but the court didn't want to hear argument about it.
I had to move mountains to win the right to make the limited little arguments I was permitted to make in that courtroom.
But the bottom line is, if I'd stayed home, Alex wouldn't have been much worse off.
The court just didn't want to hear from me and didn't want to let the jury hear from me.
dan friesen
It's debatable.
Like, he might have been better off if Norm hadn't shown up or any other lawyer who didn't say, hey, maybe these people are exaggerating their grief.
Yeah.
Maybe a different lawyer maybe would have done better.
I think Norm's exclusion from this case might have been advantageous to Alex.
jordan holmes
I will die believing that if they had not presented any defense, if they had just been like, listen, we do not have any defense for our actions.
The judgment would not be a billion dollars.
dan friesen
I would say so.
Yeah.
I think that they made things worse for themselves.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If there was just sort of like an opening statement and closing statement about like the philosophical idea.
jordan holmes
Oh, we tried.
This is what happened.
Maybe we went too far.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And then they were just like, no questioning, no, yeah.
dan friesen
I think they would definitely come out looking better than the way things went.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Well, what is your apology if your apology isn't in the opening statement and the closing statement?
dan friesen
Well, and it doesn't work to your advantage to have Alex yell about how this is a struggle session.
jordan holmes
It's a real problem.
It's a real problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, Norm, he's pretty chill about this.
unidentified
Sure.
owen shroyer
I'm sure you now and Alex Jones are getting attacks from probably sides that you never expected to be attacked from.
norm pattis
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I'm just getting phone calls and text messages, you know, maligning my lawyering and suggesting that, you know, that I either threw the case or that I'm incompetent and that I'm scum.
This, that, and everything else.
jordan holmes
Believe all through.
norm pattis
Obviously, it hurts.
I don't like it.
But I'm not going to pay a whole lot of rent for the space I occupy in other people's heads.
That's their problem, not mine.
Haters are going to hate.
jordan holmes
Haters are going to hate.
That is the voice of a man who is going to get paid despite having lost a billion dollars.
dan friesen
I lost a billion-dollar case.
It is what it is.
jordan holmes
Hey, buddy, guess what?
Hours are still billable.
dan friesen
Hate us going to hate it.
jordan holmes
Hate is going to hate.
Hey, listen, Alex.
Sorry about that.
dan friesen
Play is going to play, play, play.
jordan holmes
You just got to do it.
Listen.
dan friesen
Shake it off.
Shake it off.
Alex.
jordan holmes
You know what the most important lesson for a lot of people is?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
When to take the L.
And Norm knows this is an L.
It's time to take it.
dan friesen
Maybe you pretend that you could have won or something.
Nope.
But don't fight it too hard.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Just.
If I had had my drothers, we could have won.
dan friesen
If I could have said anything important.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
unidentified
Then maybe.
dan friesen
But as it is, haters going to hate.
jordan holmes
Turns out that lying is not okay in court.
Haters going to hate.
dan friesen
So Norm believes that there's a question that no one asks about Infowars.
This is the essential question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
norm pattis
And the question that nobody asks, and for which there must be an answer, is, you know, what makes Alex an InfoWars and you so popular?
You don't hook people on some sort of drug that is foreign to their body.
You talk about things that are obvious to them and that no one else talks about.
And until people begin to understand what makes a show like Infowars or Alex Jones or Owen Schroyer popular, they're asking the wrong questions.
dan friesen
I agree with Norm that this is a factor that's underappreciated in terms of understanding Infowars and misinformation in general, but his conclusion is childish.
No one actually gravitates to Infowars or Alex because of his handle on information or the idea that he talks about stories no one else has the nerve to cover.
And I would say that there is a drug that he hooks his listeners on, even ignoring the dumb placebo-ass supplements that he sells at huge markups.
And he sells to people by pretending that they have a deficiency that he can solve.
Like you don't have iodine in you, so you need it.
Alex creates emotional hooks that get into people and that operate very similarly to how a drug might.
The truth or falsity of things Alex says don't matter to the audience because he's eliciting a feeling that they believe is true.
Some story about an immigrant murdering a white woman that Alex yells about may not actually be true, but the audience doesn't care because to them, the feeling he's promoting with that story that you should be afraid of immigrants and that they want to kill white women is true.
That's the majority of what Alex has got in his skill set, evoking feelings.
And it's pretty easy to see why his show is successful while Owen and Harrison are just pathetic also rans.
They can't stir emotions like Alex can.
Owen's just doing a bad Alex impression most of the time and doesn't come off as sincere at all.
And Harrison's just too clearly a whiny baby dweeb.
They can get a little bit of traction, but they can't come anywhere near to even being like Alex's second because they can't do this.
That's why PJW sucks on Alex's show, but he's really successful on YouTube.
In that format, with the quick cuts and the weird close-ups on his face looking very emotional, Paul is able to make the audience feel things.
Even David Knight had a bit of this, which is part of why it was so dumb for Alex to fire him.
To you or I, David Knight was a painfully boring snooze, but his rhetorical style was good at reaching the older demographics who really don't care for Alex's theatricality and yelling.
He could elicit feelings in the older people.
jordan holmes
It was supplementary for the people that Alex can't hit.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, no one goes to Infowars because they want information or hard-hitting reporting.
That's the lie they tell themselves, so they don't have to admit that they're going to Alex for a hit of emotions that they crave for some reason or another.
Usually to justify unjustifiable positions that they have, like racism or homophobia.
They're able to intellectualize those feelings by Alex appealing to those feelings.
jordan holmes
No, and we all instinctively know this, not least, like if you want to get into brain chemistry, The feeling you get from being right over and over again during a broadcast, you know, like Alex so often consistently massaging your ego, you know.
How different from that is getting high for three hours, you know?
dan friesen
And Alex yelling about how you've saved the world.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And you are saving the world by giving him money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Jerk my ego off or I get high.
Like it's very similar kind of things, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, not too dissimilar.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Owen wants to sue people now, too, because like, well, it's fun to do.
jordan holmes
Wow, it's popular.
dan friesen
People just got a billion dollars.
jordan holmes
It's time to sue.
dan friesen
Yeah, so people call him a racist.
And so he wants to sue.
jordan holmes
Well, I guess he's a racist.
dan friesen
Well, Norm has an interesting response here.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
owen shroyer
You know, it's funny hearing you say all that.
You know, I'm banned from pretty much all big tech platforms.
Can't take an Uber.
Can't take an Airbnb.
People call me a racist all the time, insurrectionist, all these lies about me.
I wonder, when am I going to be able to sue for a billion dollars, Norm?
norm pattis
Well, you might, you can try.
You just got to find a jury that's willing to give it to you, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, you can try.
That's probably not the response that you want to hear from the lawyer.
Like, go for it.
I mean, you can't because you never win that case, you know, but you can try.
jordan holmes
In private, that's the response that you want to hear from a lawyer.
On your show, you want to hear, hell yeah, we can all sue tomorrow.
It's going to sue.
dan friesen
Norm just took that big L.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's tough to do a show in that place.
dan friesen
This is like an hour longer.
jordan holmes
If I had just walked off a stage after bombing for an hour, I would be very difficult to talk to coherently.
dan friesen
What if you just ate shit for like a half-hour set and you came off stage to a bill of a billion dollars from the bar?
You drank the wrong bottle.
jordan holmes
That is not far enough, relatively speaking, from a lot of my life.
In my world at the time, my bar bill was about a billion dollars.
dan friesen
So, look, the interview is not very interesting past this.
Not a lot of insight you're getting.
You know, sort of a lot of the same, like, we're going to appeal.
It'll take two years.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Blah, blah, blah.
Give Alex money.
jordan holmes
The law.
Yeah.
unidentified
So the war room, nothing.
dan friesen
The rest of it's just Owen B. and Owen.
And I don't care.
unidentified
Garbage.
dan friesen
So later in the evening, Alex comes back and he does his evening emergency broadcast.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
And by this point, he's got himself a clip of Chris Maddie on the steps of the courthouse afterwards with the families behind him giving a press conference.
And Alex plays that.
This is sort of his thesis.
He plays this a lot.
This clip he plays a bunch.
alex jones
So they got our financials and then they defaulted us.
They know we don't have any money.
So he gets up and he says, don't give him money so we can't appeal so they can shut us down.
That's their mission.
Obviously, Democrat Party, Ambulance Chaser, King Daddy says, don't give us money.
What do you do?
It's totally disgusting.
Let's play it one more time.
I go to CQuail of CQuel.com.
Listen to your enemy saying, do not support us.
Listen to this.
chris mattei
But we will be at it as long as it takes.
And if you're out there right now and you're one of Alex Jones' audience members and you're considering giving him money, I just want you to know that based on the jury's verdict today, it's not a very good bet.
And to go back to what Robbie Parker said, all Alex Jones does is take from you, exploit you, lie to you, feed your fears and your anxieties and your mistrust.
And the only person that benefits in that equation is him.
Well, that stops.
That's stopping today, thanks to the courage of these families.
Thank you very much.
alex jones
Thanks to your rig court and all the rest of it.
No, nothing stops.
dan friesen
So two things stick out to me here.
The first is that this notion that Meddy would have a plan to discourage Alex's listeners from donating so Alex wouldn't have enough money to appeal the case is super dishonest.
Yeah.
If this case was as much of a railroading as Alex insists it is, he should have no problem finding someone to defend him pro bono.
For instance, how about his good buddy who clearly feels this case is a threat to the future of the world, media star Bobby Barnes.
jordan holmes
Hey, Bobby Barnes.
dan friesen
Or if any of this were true, that this case impinged on fundamental constitutional rights, the ACLU would be all over defending Alex on principle.
jordan holmes
He's defended so many goddamn Nazis over the years.
Alex is not worse than them.
dan friesen
If this was a principle matter, the ACLU couldn't, you couldn't stop them from begging to.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, we can't wait to show off how ACLU we are.
dan friesen
The second thing is that tone at the end there where Alex is saying this isn't going to stop is probably unwise.
There's still the Posner case to go, you may remember.
And if Alex lets himself fly a little too freely, it feels like that could haunt him.
Particularly because that case is the one where he is super guilty, and the damages could end up being way higher than the Lewis Hesslin one.
Alex is trapped in a space between being essentially impotent to change reality and needing to appear defiant to the audience or risk the cash drying up.
If what Norm says means anything, sure, you know, it could be a while before this appeal is decided and Alex ends up losing that and likely ends up being sanctioned a ton for abuse of the appeals process along the way.
But if the audience loses heart, that's a bigger danger.
I went over to Save InfoWars, the fundraiser they had, to see where things stood.
And he was about $200,000 on the afternoon of the 13th, the day after the verdict came in.
So this is the evening of the 12th.
And so he was about 200,000.
That seems to be about where he can muster.
Alex went all out on his show.
Owen did what he could on the war room.
And then here we have Alex doing an emergency broadcast that retroactively became part of a marathon that became that started at 8 a.m. that day and then went till midnight.
Owen spent like three hours taking calls after Alex left in the first episode of Alex's long-awaited all-callers show, which actually still isn't the thing.
It was just filling time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They pulled out all the stops.
And also, this is the tally after Alex's show on the 13th.
And this is where they got to.
It's a respectable number for sure, but it's not going to do shit for him in terms of staving off bankruptcy or paying lawyers enough to fight this two-year appeal process.
Seems like the free market is saying that the demand for Alex's show just doesn't justify its existence anymore.
And I don't know.
Like I said, this is never going to stop thing is making the lawyers, the plaintiff's lawyers' case for you.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Okay, so if 1 million is 0.1% of a billion, right?
Am I right in saying that?
dan friesen
It's 1,000 millions.
jordan holmes
Right.
So 1 is 1. 10,000.
Yeah.
So that would be 0.02% of the total amount needed.
dan friesen
Well, to pay that off, yeah.
But the notion is I need enough money to pay the lawyers and make the business appear profitable to the bankruptcy court, and then it'll be smooth sailing.
So maybe $200,000 appears to be close to enough of supplemental money.
Right.
But it seems like not enough.
jordan holmes
If he gets a billion in Bitcoin, it will really narrow down the number of people who could be...
dan friesen
That's true.
The suspect list is a lot shorter.
jordan holmes
Eight million is...
That's a fairly wide range in America now.
dan friesen
But...
But I think logistics put aside the fact that they could do this, like really go all out, have a billion-dollar judgment against the company, and that's what they can muster out of the audience is not good.
I mean, like, we just sort of sending buttons to people for free.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if people want to donate to charity, they can.
And we've raised like, what, $35,000 plus?
jordan holmes
Nothing to fucking shake a stick at.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not $200,000, though.
dan friesen
But we also don't have a billion-dollar judgment against us, and we're not begging people to donate to it.
jordan holmes
You know, that's a big part of our overhead, keeping it low.
dan friesen
$35,000 for charity feels like $200,000 in Alex's circumstances.
I just think it's a bad omen of what he can muster out of the audience.
They should be over a million.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would think, based on – well, actually, the fundraiser, the goal is $500,000.
jordan holmes
Right.
So – And they haven't reached the goal.
dan friesen
They should have hit it.
jordan holmes
They should have reached the marriage.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
If anything about Alex, his reach, his audience, his commitment, any of that were meaningful.
I find that to be a real L for Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
If we actually had 10% of the world listening to Knowledge Fight, we would be able to drive more than $200,000.
I'm just going to say that.
dan friesen
I would hope.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or it shows a real lack of engagement and commitment.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has had tons of people offer him jobs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But he doesn't give a shit.
jordan holmes
He should take one of them.
Like Landscaper?
dan friesen
No, because he's.
jordan holmes
I think he'd be a good landscaper.
dan friesen
He's talking about media jobs.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He was not going to take those because he would be fired from them immediately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's true.
dan friesen
But he reached out, tried to find somebody big to have on for his marathon.
And of course, he's got Steve Quayle, the guy who believes in biblical giants.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
We've got dozens of organizations ready to put us on air anywhere.
You're not shutting crap down.
We're intensifying.
I'm going to launch a whole new show in defiance of you.
Steve Quayle, one of the icons of the Liberty Movement.
We're totally vindicated.
World government out in the open.
Poison shots.
Nuclear war.
All of us here.
dan friesen
Everybody's been vindicated.
And of course, that means, I don't know if you saw down, where was this?
I think this was over by Navy Pier.
There were a bunch of giants.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
The last time.
So here's the problem.
Like, I've lived in Uptown for five years.
When I moved into Uptown, unfortunately, it appears that I was gentrification, but I wasn't anywhere near as bad as the giants who've moved in in the past year.
dan friesen
I mean, they're nice enough, but they take up a lot of.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
So many tall buildings now to give them a place to live.
dan friesen
It ruins the lakefront views.
jordan holmes
Skyline used to have a skyline.
dan friesen
So, look, they just talk a bunch of bullshit about how World War III is here.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally.
dan friesen
And, you know, it is.
And World War III is here.
And it's because, according to them, the international bankers and globalists were afraid because Putin went to the gold standard.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, Putin, you know, he just wanted people to respect his borders.
That was his whole thing.
And then, like, he went to the gold standard and everybody else, so mad.
jordan holmes
Is he on the gold standard?
I feel like he's on the oil standard.
dan friesen
See, that's a problem.
jordan holmes
That isn't.
dan friesen
Russia didn't go to the gold standard.
jordan holmes
Well, that's a problem.
dan friesen
They just announced that they would buy gold from domestic institutions for a stable fixed price from March 28th to June 30th, 2022.
They didn't anchor the ruble's value to gold, which is what Steve is saying that they did in order to justify this conspiracy that the globalists want to start World War III over.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Russia made this move because they have a giant domestic gold supply.
The Kratzvetmet plant in Siberia is one of the biggest in the world.
And after they invaded Ukraine, these domestic gold producers were barred from selling to international markets.
That would be really bad for a lot of folks with a lot of money and valuable commodities.
So Putin announced that the Russian government and the central bank would buy their gold at a set price to offset the setbacks that were caused by invading Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Right.
The way the United States does for like cheese and shit.
Yeah.
dan friesen
This was set to start on March 28th, and the price was set at 5,000 rubles per ounce.
However, that announcement made the price of the ruble jump about 20%.
And on April 7th, Russia decided to go back on their announcement and begin buying gold, quote, at a negotiated price.
jordan holmes
Very Russia of them.
dan friesen
The rubles had gained in value, so they were getting screwed on the set gold price, so they decided to end it months before the program was set to run.
So just to clarify, Steve is saying that the globalists want to start World War III over the fact that Russia put their currency on a gold standard, but in reality, the ruble isn't on a gold standard.
And the short-term buying of gold at a set price was just done to offset some of the market inconveniences that came after invading Ukraine.
You could say that Steve is on here just spouting complete bullshit in order to spread pro-Russia messages and talking points, but.
steve quayle
And this is not pro-Russia.
This is pro-truth.
dan friesen
I stand correctly.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
So that's a large portion of what they end up talking about.
And I'm not super interested in it.
And there's a decent chance I would skip past some of it.
But some weird stuff ends up happening.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That actually I kind of enjoy.
jordan holmes
I'm interested.
dan friesen
So Alex, one of his big ways that this is profitable is there is a very severe thing that's happening, but there's a chance we can stop it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
That's the game.
dan friesen
There needs to be that window that maybe we can get out of.
It's going to be expensive.
jordan holmes
Tragedy we cannot stop.
However, if you donate to us, we can stop it.
dan friesen
There's a chance.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So he asks Steve if this World War III can be stopped.
jordan holmes
Can it?
steve quayle
They'll do anything to silence the truth, silence the truth tellers, even to provoking World War III.
And this is the big issue tonight, Alex, as we're on together.
It's not something they don't want.
It's not something they fear.
They want it with all of their globalist Luciferian might.
Because at the end of the day, everything that you've talked about in all your videos, population, depopulation quotes, plans, how they're going to do it.
We've watched millions, probably more, like at least, I'd say 50 million people dead worldwide on COVID.
And why would you believe the people have never seen it?
jordan holmes
50 million?
alex jones
I agree.
So can we stop it or is it biblical?
Is it unstoppable?
steve quayle
No, it cannot be stopped.
It cannot be stopped.
It cannot be stopped.
These are the days that obviously the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the book of Revelation, they, the left, uses, or the press, mainstream press, mind how they're interchangeable.
They use those biblical terms.
dan friesen
Hunker the fuck down then, right?
jordan holmes
I mean, how do you say that and not also be like, hug your loved ones?
You know, like, you're saying to me that global thermonuclear war is inevitable.
dan friesen
Well, even beyond that, Horseman of the Apocalypse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, explain to me why I go to work the next day.
dan friesen
Well, unless your job is digging a hole for your family to hide in, I don't know why you would.
jordan holmes
Well, then let's go dig a hole for my family.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
dan friesen
I mean, conceivably, it's go to the bunkers, right?
I mean, like, that's the only thing unstoppable.
He said it three times.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
So here's, I feel like the game that is happening there is he's playing a game of chicken with apocalypse where he's like, okay, go to work, have some time, go out and eat dinner all the time.
But, ah, it's coming.
So you got to guess.
dan friesen
Well, I will say that I think that Steve said shit like this before, and it hasn't really hurt his career.
So I think he's probably, he's probably a little bit jaded to consequences.
jordan holmes
Well, the last time Alex claimed we would get hit by a nuclear bomb, I feel like he suffered consequences for it, right?
dan friesen
None.
Oh.
Also, Steve is like an end times guy.
Like, he's on Jim Baker's show a bit.
Like, he's one of the few people on Alex's show that has like crossover to Baker.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like, so it's just kind of his thing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's always unstoppable.
jordan holmes
It's always the end times.
It's always coming.
We're already in the first of the circles, et cetera.
dan friesen
Now, like I said, I would have skipped this.
Sure.
Except something happens.
And they talk about Jesus a little bit.
jordan holmes
Now, you know, I love it.
dan friesen
Steve has an interesting relationship with Jesus.
jordan holmes
Okay.
How can you?
Okay.
Let's hear it.
alex jones
So we're skipping breaks tonight, so we got a few minutes left, Steve Quayle.
I appreciate you budgeting time, stevequell.com, talking about your awakening, your understanding.
It's an amazing story.
And just the fact we've got to get right with God right now.
I think more importantly than anything, we should get right with Jesus right now.
Spend a little time on that.
steve quayle
Well, thank you, Alex.
Number one, when you had asked me, and just getting the bottom line, the Bible declares that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
God is the only supreme deity and being, the God of the Bible, that can tell the end at the beginning.
And, you know, I had an encounter with Jesus, physically saw what, and he gave me a panorama of history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He physically saw Jesus.
jordan holmes
What's a panorama of history?
dan friesen
Well, we've talked about this before.
He said this on, we've discussed him saying this on the show before.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
He can see the beginning and the end.
dan friesen
He can see every life.
But also, we'll get to this later.
He clarifies a little bit that God doesn't give him every bit of information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's nice of God.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's sort of like going through fog, you know, like you can see something a little bit ahead, but not, you know, like not from a ways off.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So he can see like the next talking point.
God gives him that much vision.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But not like two, three, four steps down the road.
jordan holmes
One thing about that.
One thing I've noticed about God, huge fan of plausible deniability.
He loves giving you just enough information to convince just enough people, but not enough information to prove it.
dan friesen
Well, what you don't understand about God is strategic flexibility.
jordan holmes
Ah, that is such a good God thing to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Steve tells the story of meeting Jesus in the flesh.
And I will remind you: this is the night that Alex lost a billion dollars.
jordan holmes
I believe he lost a billion dollars.
dan friesen
And here's how we're spending our time.
jordan holmes
All right.
steve quayle
In this case, Alex, I accepted Jesus at a Hal Lindsey meeting at the student union building.
I didn't know, you know, Hal Lindsey explained to me who Jesus was.
That's the first time I had anybody explain me who Jesus was, the Savior of the world.
When you saw him?
My mother's house is, I don't know, eight blocks from Montana State University.
I walk into my room, which I had a bedroom in the basement, and the bottom line is Jesus physically appears.
By the way, I wasn't drunk and I wasn't doing drugs.
unidentified
And I described Jesus all of a sudden.
steve quayle
Okay, okay.
I fell at his feet as one day.
And I couldn't get up.
I couldn't get up.
And the glory of the Lord.
And when I say glory, if you want to know what Jesus looks like, go to Revelation chapter one.
Because when he lifted me up and I said, Lord, who are you?
And he said, I'm Jesus, your Savior, and I'm giving you a Joseph's ministry.
I didn't even know what that meant.
I didn't know who Joseph was.
When he looked into my eyes, every cell in my body exploded with his love, his forgiveness.
I had an understanding of just the magnificence of God, though I couldn't have told you one Bible story, you know, probably maybe one, Adam and Eve.
And the bottom line is that we're like, it was so overwhelming.
For three hours, I basked, I guess you'd say, praising him in just the presence of the living God.
And after that, he told me I would know him.
Now, understand, this is not a dream.
This is not a vision.
This is like terra firma on earth.
And he said, I'd know him in a special way through his word.
No.
And Alex, fast forward, and after this experience, I had to go speak to an assembly of God pastor because he's the only one that could let me know what it meant to have an encounter with Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So he was on campus.
Sure.
And he went to a Hal Lindsay meeting.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he accepted Jesus, not knowing anything about him.
jordan holmes
Weird thing to do.
dan friesen
Literally knew nothing.
jordan holmes
Weird thing to do.
dan friesen
Went home.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Went to the basement.
jordan holmes
Had one.
dan friesen
Boom.
Jesus.
jordan holmes
There he was.
dan friesen
In the flesh.
jordan holmes
Checking him out.
dan friesen
Wow.
What are the odds?
jordan holmes
Explain to me.
Explain to me.
Honestly.
Why is Jesus going to Montana?
dan friesen
Gorgeous country.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, I saw Jesus once.
Oh, like, actually, but not in a manic birth.
Yeah, exactly.
I had a manic episode and I was having so many hallucinations.
Like, it was one of my first ones.
I was gone for like two or three weeks.
And I remember seeing Jesus.
I was playing pool in my basement where against Jesus.
No.
No.
You can't play pool against Jesus, fuck.
But no, I remember him like appearing and talking to me.
And I was very much like, yeah, ma'am.
dan friesen
Jesus was like, use the horse.
jordan holmes
It was cool being in a manic episode when Jesus meets you because at the same time, when you're in a manic episode, you're like, it's nice to meet you as equals, Jesus.
You know, like, I'm the savior of humanity.
You're the savior.
We've got a lot in common, man.
dan friesen
Well, it certainly is someone you'd want to meet in a vision other than like Pete.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, just a random hallucination.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, totally.
No, no, no.
It's like what everybody talks about.
dan friesen
It's a past status hallucination.
jordan holmes
It's like when everybody talks about their past lives or they're like, oh, it was Queen Cleopatra.
And it'd be like, if your past life is, I was like, I was Dave and he died at five.
You know, like, that's not exciting.
dan friesen
So leaving all that aside, we have Alex doing a show where Steve Quayle is on talking about how he physically met Jesus.
Sure.
And Alex is being like, yeah, I bet you did.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So great.
jordan holmes
Top five things great.
dan friesen
Now, if we accept this as reality, game-changing.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that.
dan friesen
In terms of believing everything Steve Quayle has to say, because he has been, well, I mean, I'll just let him know.
He's been chosen by the Lord.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
steve quayle
Look, I don't know why God chose me.
A lot of people say, well, you're such a blah, blah, blah.
But God chose me.
And when he said he'd give me a Joseph's ministry, that was to prepare the people of God as we come into these end times.
jordan holmes
No, it was a Jose's ministry.
It was very different.
steve quayle
You know this.
You've heard me so many times.
I always tell people, look, it's not like I just sit down and figure this stuff out, but God in his mercy and in his calling to me opens up events before my eyes and I get flash forwards.
You know, so when you talk about Jesus appearing to you, people say, oh man, that guy's on LSD.
No, I wasn't.
I was on heavenly.
alex jones
You talked about not being able to get up.
That's been my experience.
Like Moses couldn't even see God.
It's like, I've had it happen a couple times.
I can't even, I'm just like, it's like, but I don't want your, and it's like total knowledge.
It's beamed.
steve quayle
Yeah, yeah.
And God's, God dumps stuff into you.
I call it a data dump.
dan friesen
I think Alex is like, I think what he has is night terrors.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's describing not being able to move.
And like so many of the things that he comes up with are based on movies he's seen and they're horrifying.
And that kind of feels like maybe he wakes up with like sleep paralysis.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't know.
Like that makes total sense to me.
Whereas Steve is just a lunatic.
jordan holmes
I had a really terrible instance of sleep paralysis one time.
I was in this place in fucking Bloomingdale, Illinois.
dan friesen
You woke up and you were watching Jesus play pool.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I woke up and, you know, in that night terror where you do the hallucination thing.
I woke up and there was a man in a wheelchair slowly wheeling his way into my room.
And I don't know why that is so scary, but the speed at which he was doing it was like, wow, he's not even trying to murder me and there's nothing I can do.
You know, it was that kind of thing.
dan friesen
It was a lazy ass murder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not even a hard murder for this dude, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
The real night terror for me would be like, if I'm there and I can't move, right?
Sleep paralysis.
And then like Kevin the bird comes in and I can't hug him.
jordan holmes
I'm going to start throwing her, excuse me.
I'm going to break into your place and start throwing Eric the birds at you.
dan friesen
Kevin.
jordan holmes
Kevin, sorry.
My bad.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think Alex has night terrors.
I think Steve is delusional.
And good use of time on this emergency.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
Did they lose a billion dollars today?
dan friesen
It's so weird.
Is this what you do?
So, anyway, evil, yes, we would be included in that.
We're afraid because Steve has met Jesus.
jordan holmes
Ah, it doesn't matter.
alex jones
That drives people crazy that don't want to admit there's such a change the Satanists into rage because this is real.
I mean, this is like you were able to look into Christ's eyes.
I couldn't even do it.
Like, I was just like hammered on the floor.
jordan holmes
That's how you know it's true.
dan friesen
This is so dumb.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, they spend quite a bit of time on this emergency episode talking about World War III.
Russia's cool.
Russia's great, actually.
Right.
And then quite a bit about how Steve met Jesus.
jordan holmes
I mean, that makes sense.
Apocalypse, a country where I wouldn't be prosecuted.
And the salvation of the earth.
Yeah, that does make sense for I've lost a billion dollars.
dan friesen
I think Alex would be prosecuted in Russia for something else.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
You'd run afoul of someone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you weren't friends with Putin.
dan friesen
So Alex says goodbye to Steve Quayle.
Farewell.
Give the Giants my best.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he has some other guests.
alex jones
Look, we got Robert Barnes that worked on the case for two years.
And he was so busy and everything else.
He went on to other cases.
jordan holmes
So we're going to sue him.
alex jones
He told me, he said, they're going to default you.
It's all a fraud.
He was right.
And I didn't completely listen to his counsel.
That's my fault.
But he joins us when we come back after this very short, important piece on weather weapons.
dan friesen
He finally got to it.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
He finally got to it.
How dare you?
How dare you get to weather weapons right now?
dan friesen
It took him hours.
He tried to get to it right before the verdict.
alex jones
Of course.
dan friesen
Now, in the evening show, he's finally getting to the weather.
jordan holmes
He's finally there.
It's time.
dan friesen
There's continuity.
It's a payoff.
jordan holmes
We've got to kill time before Barnes shows up.
dan friesen
So, yeah, Barnes is coming on.
I love the idea that he was too busy.
He was too busy.
That's why he didn't follow through with the case.
jordan holmes
The idea that Barnes was like, hey, let's cooperate fully.
And Alex said no infuriates me so hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, Bobby Barnes is like, let's do this by the book.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Get the fuck out of here.
I swear to God.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Barnes is on, and the two of them just talk shit with each other about how, you know, everything is unfair.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The world is against them.
jordan holmes
They're heroes.
Everybody's mean.
dan friesen
And there seems to be like a through line between Norm also comes on a little bit, but Barnes and Norm both have this suspicion about how Chris Maddie said, don't donate to InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's not a good investment, not a good bet.
Right.
And they're like, hey, shouldn't he be wanting everybody to give money to Infowars?
Because then his clients get more money.
It's like trying to.
jordan holmes
I don't think you're making the argument you think you're making.
Well, they're trying to fundraise off like, hey, they're trying to fundraise off of them telling their people that they're going to lose their money if they fundraise.
dan friesen
Yeah, kind of.
But they're also like, secretly, we're not going to give them any money, so everything is fine.
Yeah, it's very weird.
I find it uncompelling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But one thing I do find compelling is that Alex, I think, maybe had a few pops because he seems to be so to pops?
No.
He seems to be communicating a little bit differently.
alex jones
Again, the whole thing, the billion-dollar verdict is to scare everybody.
What is this really meant to do?
And then you predicted this on the show two weeks ago, a week ago, and in Connecticut two weeks ago, you said this FBI agent, I've never said his name, don't know who the hell he is.
jordan holmes
Yes, we know, man.
alex jones
If they can get public officials to sue people and win because you question a public event or criticize the government, they have victory.
Well, here is this Texas major government official, Secretary of State, was in hundreds of newspapers yesterday.
Every Texas TV station that we looked at said, Alex Jones, hell by questioning the 2020 Texas election.
I didn't even question Texas.
dan friesen
He seems to be suffering to get these words out.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a bit of a struggle.
dan friesen
I don't know if he's had a few drinks or if he's just gassed, but it's very weird.
jordan holmes
I would, I swear to you, in this one instance, I cannot judge anyone's behavior for the moment after they receive a billion-dollar judgment.
I just, I don't know how you would behave.
dan friesen
What's the baseline?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
I mean, I feel like getting absolutely shit-faced beyond all reason makes just as much sense as anything else.
dan friesen
No, if Alex came on and he was wearing a lampshade and was just like, and brought the llama back at symbols and was just bouncing them together.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes more sense than going on trying to defend yourself.
dan friesen
I would have no qualms with that.
jordan holmes
What do you have to lose?
dan friesen
I would have no confusion, nothing to report here.
Alex was wasted.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy?
Maybe for the first time in anyone's life, you could have true clarity after receiving a billion-dollar judgment of just like, you know what?
Literally nothing I do matters at this point.
dan friesen
Well, you know what I think would be fitting too?
Like that episode from like way back where he gets really drunk and yells at Adam Schiff and talks about jizzing on a human skull.
I remember that.
That should be what he that showed tonight.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That should be that show.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
That would make sense.
jordan holmes
Absolute insanity.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would make sense.
dan friesen
But instead, this show where he talks with Steve Quayle about physically meeting Jesus and then is like burping through a sort of banal conversation with Robert Barnes.
It's like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's disappointing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Start screaming about art and skulls and the ways to learn.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
I've not said this before to too many people, but Alex, I think you should get drunk at work.
dan friesen
If there ever is a time when everyone would think it's fine.
jordan holmes
Totally fine.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yes.
So, yeah, I mean, Alex is just like, they're not getting my money.
robert barnes
And as long as people keep Infowars on the air by buying products that they like anyway at good prices, they will lose.
I mean, that's regardless of what happens with the courts, regardless of what happens with the bankruptcies, regardless of what happens with anything else out there, as long as the people stick with Infowars, it cannot break through that line.
alex jones
And no, Chris Manny said that.
Don't give him money.
Supposedly, his plaintiffs are going to get it, but he doesn't want that.
It's his mission to silence us.
No, they're not getting any of the money, folks.
robert barnes
Absolutely.
And what it shows is that what they have figured out is that the audience is what keeps Infowars alive.
And they thought they could use this public smear campaign through a public show trial.
That's what show trials are all about, public smear campaign, to be able to get the audience to turn away from Infowars and Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex, I think the journey past the Steve Quayle portion of this episode is just kind of the same shit he says with Barnes normally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then just a progression of him audibly falling apart.
unidentified
Okay.
robert barnes
It's about getting the Infowars audience to not listen to itself, to not support itself, to not embrace itself, to not share with itself.
That's what they that's.
alex jones
That's right.
We're at a rallying point that they hate.
They hate the audience.
robert barnes
And he's just up there.
alex jones
Don't give it support.
I don't want my plaintiffs to get money.
No, it's not about that.
It's about silencing us.
robert barnes
Completely.
It's all about getting people.
The best form of censorship is self-censorship.
And what they want is people to begin to self-censor their support of Infowars.
dan friesen
Good on Barnes trying to do some heavy lifting to carry the weight there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can get a little bit of that vibe off Alex.
It's not inspiring.
jordan holmes
I feel like the traditional stereotypical child of divorce, you know, with that hypersensitivity towards the moods of certain people as to like, oh, I know what happens next whenever this type of tone, like when Alex starts talking with that kind of thing, it's like, oh, man, I'm so hypersensitive to that.
Like, I know what's coming, man.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, and just to not be seeming like I'm being a tease or anything, there is no like blow-up here.
jordan holmes
He just seems not on air.
That's the point.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is just sort of a like gurgly thing going on that doesn't it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, but it also isn't all that interesting.
No, So Barnes says some shitty things.
robert barnes
This was never about false statements.
This was never about the families, frankly.
They were simply the tool by which they could try to shame the Infowars audience into silencing Infowars and selling.
alex jones
Well, Robert Barnes, I've got to say, this isn't fun.
It's not happy, but I'm proud to be the main target of these people.
Stay right there.
Let's bring Norm Pattis on.
You guys can respond to each other right now.
I can just let you guys go back and forth.
He's there.
He witnesses.
He's been gagged.
I wasn't gagged, despite what the media said.
dan friesen
They didn't.
alex jones
But now that the verdict's out, Norm Pattis can actually talk about what he witnessed and what he saw and wasn't allowed to defend me.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, why can't it be both, Barnes?
Why can't it be about the families and about what Alex did and also about shutting his ass up?
jordan holmes
That's a compound problem that is far beyond Barnes' ability to understand.
dan friesen
I can't feel it all mutually exclusive.
jordan holmes
Yo, Naru.
In fact, almost symbiotic in their relationship.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So as this goes along, Norm says a lot of basically the same shit that he said with Owen earlier.
And he is giving long talks.
jordan holmes
He wasn't allowed to talk in court.
dan friesen
I will say there was one moment that I didn't cut a clip from, but I thought it was pretty cute.
And that was like Alex asks Barnes a question, and Norm is like, oh, I'm sorry.
I've been talking too much.
alex jones
Aw.
dan friesen
Hater's going to hate.
jordan holmes
Hater's going to hate, man.
Trow and say the N-word.
dan friesen
Hater's going to hate.
Yeah, as it goes along, you just get the sense that Alex is just run out of gas.
alex jones
Folks, I'm in the war.
You want to back us, Bacchus?
I've been in this so damn long.
We got nuclear war.
They've killed 20 million people with poison shots.
It's all going on.
I'm just going to keep being a man to the end.
And everybody's feeling sorry for me.
Don't feel sorry for me.
They'll sorry for the millions of illegals brought across, hundreds of thousands of kidnapped kids.
They'll sorry for kids that drag clean story time.
Their parents take them to.
I mean, look, I'm a man.
I'm tough.
I can take it.
Well, keep me in the fight, Bagus.
Infowarswore.com, saveinfowars.com.
But man, this is just so shameful, Barnes.
robert barnes
Oh, it's completely shameful.
It is a shameful moment.
Maybe one of the most shameful moments in the history of American law.
dan friesen
Oh, I thought you at the show.
What you're doing right now is shameful.
Oh, no.
It's a shame to American law.
Oh, sorry.
I misread that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if Barnes has ever said anything more true unintentionally.
That's the most true thing I think he's ever said, honestly.
dan friesen
So, you know, Alex being like, hey, fuck it.
You know what?
Give us money or don't.
jordan holmes
Come get us.
dan friesen
But that is still like a desperate plea for money.
Yeah.
It is the appearance of like, I don't, I don't provide the audience.
jordan holmes
He's bravado.
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
I don't even want your money.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen, I have got so much money.
I mean, I'm bankrupt.
But I've got so I'm powerful.
I've got the will.
I got the will to give me your money or not.
I don't give a fuck.
But seriously, give me your money.
dan friesen
It's admirable.
It's not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But it does lead to Alex doing an interesting plug.
Interesting.
And it leads me to think things are worse than he wants to let off.
alex jones
Uh-oh.
But I mean, where can you donate better?
You heard the plaintiff's lawyers, the Democrat anti-gun creature, say, do not give Alex Jones money.
It's a lost cause.
He means you're a lost cause.
He wants to break your will.
He hates this show because I'm a focal point of liberty and freedom standing against these creatures.
But I'm not worried about it at the end of the day.
I've already hit the next level in this fight.
Thanks for your support.
And there are so many up-and-comers and so many great leaders.
I'm seeing God's vision unfold here, but I've got more to do in the fight.
So go to 1776coin.com.
1776coin.com.
It's a fundraiser, man, the arena coin.
There's a special running right now with 1776coin.com with the promo code 1776.
You get $30 off of the coin.
The coin's a fundraiser coin.
Infowarstore.com or 1776coin.com.
dan friesen
So the idea of this coin is we're selling it at a high markup as a fundraiser for the show.
So if you want to buy this, it costs more, but it's symbolic.
jordan holmes
It's really a donation.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now we're offering this way cheaper.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe it's not a fundraiser.
jordan holmes
Maybe we get this shit out of it.
dan friesen
The fundraiser part is now optional.
jordan holmes
The fundraiser is good.
The fundraiser's good.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But we got to get the shit out of it.
dan friesen
It shows a lack of commitment to the idea of that fundraiser that has no chill to it, really.
jordan holmes
I'm going to ask you.
dan friesen
There's an air of stinky desperation.
jordan holmes
I'm going to ask you a question.
What exactly do you think I'm going to do with 20,000 coins with no value?
Nothing.
dan friesen
Create a Teddy Roosevelt boom.
Yeah, that to me was a sign of you got to move these fucking coins.
Yeah.
And we need whatever we can make on them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck the fundraiser thing.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
We need some money.
jordan holmes
I need slow.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex goes off air.
jordan holmes
Raucous applause from everybody.
I think Chris Meddy called in and was like, thank God that you apologized.
dan friesen
And now we're going to keep an eye out for the last words that he says.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I want those sons of globalist satanic bastards to go to saveinfowars.com, legal defense fund, and I want them to see hundreds of thousands of dollars, not 160,000 in a few weeks me begging because it takes money to beat these creatures.
And I want you to infowarstore.com and get incredible products you need.
You heard them.
Don't bet on Jones.
Don't give him money.
He's a lost cause.
They're saying you're a lost cause and you're not a lost cause.
This is a damn war and it takes money to win wars.
I got a few more tricks up my sleeve, though.
God gave me.
We're going to go to break.
Air Dorm Patterson's press conference, a few other clubs.
I know what Shore is going to take over.
And I'll be back, Lord willing, 11 a.m. Central tomorrow.
Before that, there is American Journal with the great Harris of Smith, 8 a.m. Central.
The coordinates are infowars.com forward slash show.
God bless.
Thanks for your support, and good luck.
dan friesen
Good luck.
jordan holmes
Good luck.
dan friesen
It's a weird, weird.
jordan holmes
That's not quite good luck and good nights.
That's a very different tone of good luck.
dan friesen
What kind of luck does the audience need here?
jordan holmes
I mean, you just told me an hour ago that nuclear war was inevitable.
dan friesen
Well, good luck with that.
jordan holmes
And there's no stopping it.
alex jones
Well, good luck.
dan friesen
Good luck.
Good luck digging that whole theory.
jordan holmes
Listen, good luck.
We're all in this individually.
dan friesen
I find myself quite uninspired.
So, look, we had the billion-dollar judgment.
And obviously Alex's response to that in the moment is about what you'd expect.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Cheering it on and sort of making a game of that.
That's what it is.
Later on in the evening, he does his emergency show.
And at this point, I would say the mission is to do the best show you could possibly do.
Do a show that lays out some hard-hitting information that the globalists don't want people to have.
Prove your worth.
Do something that is undeniably great.
Because here's the deal: everyone already fucking knows that you lost a billion dollars.
The audience knows that.
They know you need money.
You don't have to be a desperate weirdo.
Do something.
Don't spend a fucking hour with Barnes and Norm complaining and whining about nonsense.
Do something that really changes the game because you probably have the most eyes possible on things, the most attention, the most like if your mission is really about an information war, information.
Boom.
Don't spend time talking with Steve Quayle about how he physically met Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't do that.
And to me, the reason that he did that is because he has nothing else.
There isn't something else that he can do.
jordan holmes
No, there's no elevation.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, there's no way that he can be like, let's go back to basics.
Because there was no basics.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
There was never anything.
He was empty from the start.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
G. Edward Griffin won't answer his phone calls.
Webster Tarpley doesn't like him.
Skousen's in bed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It is.
dan friesen
Ron Paul doesn't want to come on anymore.
And what does it matter if he did?
Trump doesn't answer his phone call.
He couldn't even get Roger.
jordan holmes
No, he's the whoopee cushion of the right.
He's got nothing.
dan friesen
We have an emergency.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Roger's not here.
jordan holmes
Well, Roger's got his own problems if the January 6th committee has.
dan friesen
I wonder if Steve Pieczenik wouldn't even come on.
I wonder if that was like, he's like, I'm going to pass on this one.
jordan holmes
Well, hey, Alex, I've done all I can for you.
dan friesen
I lost you a billion dollars.
jordan holmes
There's no way for you to not love me still after having lost you a billion dollars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, this is a strange thought, but Steve Pieczenik came up.
So Roger recently was on Alex's show in the middle of a hurricane that hit Florida.
Right.
And Roger did not correct Alex's politeness.
unidentified
Brutal.
dan friesen
He did not give him a lesson in manners.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
And I found that to be disappointing.
Just for continuity, I would have liked it if Roger was like, you didn't ask how I'm doing.
jordan holmes
It really should be a situation where we could put together a super cut eventually of like people in Florida during hurricane.
dan friesen
Maybe he calls somebody in LA when there's fires.
unidentified
Totally, 10 years from now, we've got a whole thing that we can run.
jordan holmes
Everybody needs to correct his politeness.
Yes.
dan friesen
Alex, I'm doing fine.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We would play that with my way underneath it.
dan friesen
This is a sad showing for an emergency broadcast.
And I watched a little bit of Owen's phone call show, but it's like three hours and who cares?
Brutal.
But yeah, I mean, they did what they could.
They did a whole day.
Went till midnight.
And then Alex's show the next day.
And of course, the great Harrison Smith in the journal.
And then Owen's War Room and, you know, about 200,000.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Seems like the juice is not loose.
jordan holmes
Every movie you've ever seen where it's like, uh-oh, the leader of the pack, like the A team has got a serious problem that's arisen just for them.
You can turn around and look at your team and be like, we can do this together.
Maybe it won't be easy.
Maybe we won't win.
It's not 100% shot, but I believe that you and I can do this together.
And Alex looking over at Owen has to be like, I am going to pay a billion fucking dollars.
dan friesen
Alex turns around.
He sees Owen.
He sees Bobby Barnes.
He sees Norm.
He sees Steve Quayle rambling about.
jordan holmes
He's the face man in this?
dan friesen
He looks around, comes back, and he says, Good luck.
jordan holmes
Good luck.
dan friesen
My team sucks.
This is no good.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
We're fucked.
jordan holmes
We're in trouble.
dan friesen
So we will be back.
Probably a sneaky snake over the weekend and then back on Monday with a little bit more of a follow-up on things.
But this is the immediate what we got.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, but until then, until we see you again, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website at SknowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fights.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
And hey.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm done.
I had a day.
It was a good day.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It was a good day.
All right.
dan friesen
Well, for that day, I say.
alex jones
Thank you, Jordan.
steve quayle
You son of a bitch.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
unidentified
I'm Leo.
dan friesen
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Wilford Snibble Snabble of the Gribble Pibble.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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