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July 1, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#697: June 29, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on how Alex is doing, and find him throwing out all of his news-covering plans after Roger Stone stops by to drop a bombshell on him.  Also, Alex interviews an annoying dork. Citations Dreamy Creamy Fundraiser

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alex jones
16:24
d
dan friesen
44:10
j
jordan holmes
20:45
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alex stein
02:32
r
roger stone
01:42
Clips
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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andy in kansas
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
and endure.
roger stone
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
andy in kansas
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
roger stone
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight dot com.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, my bright spot today, Jordan, is quite unexpected.
As we all know, it's taken the world by storm.
It is the dreamy, creamy summer.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Everyone knows this.
Right.
The world has been put on notice that everything shall be dreamlike and creamlike.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And so, on our last episode, we launched a GoFundMe that was raising money for Apiary, an abortion access logistics group.
And I set the initial goal at $5,000, and I thought that was unrealistic.
jordan holmes
We were being very pie-in-the-sky with that 5K.
dan friesen
Yes, and we hit it quite quickly.
jordan holmes
About 45 minutes?
dan friesen
No, a little more than that.
unidentified
A little bit more, but yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, I can't thank people enough.
Their generosity is outstanding, and I'm blown away by how consistently I'm surprised by how great our listeners are.
So thank you all so much for joining.
And honestly, I made that goal of $5,000 with the expectation that kind of like, we're doing this until September, we'll get there for sure.
jordan holmes
For sure, September.
dan friesen
Yeah, by then.
jordan holmes
By then, for sure.
dan friesen
So now I don't know what to do if...
We keep it going until September or if we launch a new one at some point.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
We'll see.
dan friesen
But there are some reviews of ice creams on there.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's why people are donating.
dan friesen
I have been celebrating the success of the fundraiser by eating some ice creams.
Most recently, as we're recording this, is the Chocolaty Pretzel McFlurry.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Can't tell you what I think about it.
It's over on the fundraiser.
Spoiler alert, it sucks.
It's really bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go to that GoFundMe page for the review of a McFlurry.
dan friesen
It's a chocolatey pretzel McFlurry, though.
Too much caramel.
I've just spoiled the review.
jordan holmes
Well, I'll tell you.
dan friesen
So what about you, Jordan?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
Well, my bright spot, Dan, is in a similar vein.
Today, when you are reading the...
or listening to...
reading this.
dan friesen
Yeah, reading the podcast.
jordan holmes
When you're reading this podcast, when you're listening to this podcast, this evening we will be doing...
we will be...
We're joining both the Cult Scriptids and Conspiracies podcast.
Trip C!
To join them for their...
dan friesen
At 5.30 Central.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
You're much better at this than I am as far as bright spots.
dan friesen
I just have some details.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're better at that.
And then later on after that, we'll be doing the same similar thing with Cognitive Dissonance, guys.
dan friesen
It's a lot of us today.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a lot of us today.
dan friesen
Maybe too much.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Watch the replay.
Donate to their streams.
Watch the replay some other time.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
They were kind enough to invite us to join them for their fundraiser streams.
jordan holmes
And that'll be at 7.30.
We'll be on at 5.30 and 7.30, and you can listen to us this morning, I think is the implication here.
dan friesen
Yeah, and in between those two live streams, we will actually be live streaming us throwing my couch off of the balcony.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know what we could do?
We could live stream an episode of Watch Magicians.
dan friesen
No, we couldn't.
Not in that hour.
unidentified
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
How long?
I thought they were hour episodes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, we can't do that.
We don't watch things on double speed.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
dan friesen
All right.
I don't want to come on your show.
jordan holmes
No.
That's why I haven't asked you up until now.
dan friesen
That's not true at all.
I would be happy to come on any time.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about June 29th, 2022.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
This episode, the present day sucks.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Obviously, there's some bigotry that will be flying around.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
There will be some things that are annoying.
But this episode is actually kind of a palate cleanser in some ways.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
There is a narrative arc to this thing that does not come to a satisfying conclusion, but it's still pretty funny.
Okay.
And so, you know, I think our Monday episode may be a little bit, you know, obviously rockier territory.
jordan holmes
Dark.
dan friesen
Tougher things to take in.
I think this will be a little bit lighter.
Good.
Possibly.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
But before we get to that, let's take a little moment, Jordan, to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, please, please, please, can you play Daddy Shark?
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I'll play the old technocrat thing that has Daddy Shark in it.
Next, Chris Stroud is not mad at the crew.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Kitty Cat Bertuzzi.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Stat Minister Christor Halverson, the Duke of Kidderminster.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And Icy Payne has dreamed of becoming a policy wonk, and you are now a policy wonk.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we've got a couple of technocrats here in the mix, Jordan.
So first, Alex Jones is paying Bill for his gummy worms.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat, and a little late on this one.
But happy First Father's Day, and happy birthday, Joe!
Nico is going to be an excellent sacrifice for the globalists.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
roger stone
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much!
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're going to start off with Alex trying to get into some news, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
I think this is probably what he kind of wants to do as news for the day.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
There's a big report that just went live at Infowars.com.
It's getting almost no attention here in the controlled Western press.
The Organization of BRICS, that's one of the largest global organizations out there of nations.
Announces new world reserve currency as America commits economic suicide.
That report I'm going to be breaking down next segment.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
But also, he later refers to BRICS as Brexit.
So he has a little bit of a confusion.
So this story is about Putin saying that the BRICS countries would be considering creating a reserve currency from among their currencies.
But it's far from like a complete done deal.
A reserve currency is basically a currency that many countries hold a bunch of in store, which eases the ability of those countries to do business internationally.
Currently, that's the dollar for much of the world, but the tide's been turning somewhat for a while now.
One of the motivating factors for the BRICS countries to want to create their own holding currency has to do with the swiftness with which the U.S. froze out Russia after Putin invaded Ukraine.
Russia, as well as other countries like China, realized that that could be done again, and the target could be them, and then they'd end up more or less excluded from much of the world's market.
This talk of the BRICS countries making up their own basket currency is interesting, but it also isn't probably as apocalyptic as Alex seems to be making it out to be.
It would somewhat expand the influence of these countries economically, and it might hurt us economically in terms of some of the...
Possibly unfair advantages the U.S. holds due to that, but they still have a huge way to go to catch up to where the dollar is in terms of international holding.
Also, Alex should be asking himself some questions.
I know he's wishy-washy about China, how they're working for the devil one day and breaking away the next day, but he should be in favor of a BRICS currency for the most part.
He loves Putin, and the B in BRICS is Brazil, whose President Bolsonaro...
jordan holmes
Mm-hmm.
Then you're fucked.
So what is bricks to you?
dan friesen
Well, let's throw Hungary in there.
Make it britch.
jordan holmes
See, now we're screwed.
dan friesen
We need an E country.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
To make it britches.
jordan holmes
Britches, yes, of course.
Ecuador.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
Throw Ecuador in there.
So yeah, Alex has not much of a handle on this story and he doesn't actually cover it.
What's going on is that there's a Greg Reese video about this that Alex sees in his list of things that he could touch on.
And so that's basically it.
He's teasing that he's going to play that report.
He has another headline too.
alex jones
Zelensky demands $5 billion from NATO cities for security in Europe.
Whatever that means.
So much.
dan friesen
This is one of those great instances where it becomes really clear that Alex doesn't prepare for his show at all and he just cold reads headlines and makes things up about them.
This headline doesn't say cities, but Alex has misread it and he thinks fast on his feet.
He throws out the whatever that means to imply that Zelensky has said something weird like he wants money from NATO cities.
The actual headline here is, quote, Zelensky demands $5 billion from NATO.
Cites security in Europe.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Cites.
unidentified
Ooh.
Ooh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Does not get back to this story either.
jordan holmes
Not surprising.
Not surprising.
I don't know if it is kind of amazing.
You really wouldn't hear from any actual news person whatever that means after reading out a story ostensibly that you've chosen to talk about.
dan friesen
It is clearly one of your lead stories.
You're starting off the show with like...
This is something we're gonna get into, whatever that fucking means.
jordan holmes
Next, we're gonna talk about HB 161, whatever the fuck that shit is.
Who knows?
We'll get back at ya!
dan friesen
So, one of the reasons that Alex is kind of, like, not gonna get back to the news is he's got the man Roger Stone coming in.
And Roger's been done dirty.
jordan holmes
By whom this time?
dan friesen
The January 6th committee.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
They done did him dirty.
jordan holmes
They're still doing him dirty, okay.
alex jones
Roger Stone's going to be joining us exclusively at the bottom of the hour here in about 23 minutes from now.
Roger has been massively defamed again, so have I, so have the American people, claiming that Trump called him or told Mark Meadows to call him and to call General Flynn and plan what happened at the Capitol.
It's just absolutely ridiculous.
Trump did not call Roger.
Mark Meadows did not call Roger or General Flynn.
It is totally made up.
But that's why I've had the Jan 6th Committee and federal grand juries and the FBI and the Justice Department want to ask me about a phone call that I supposedly had with Stone and Flynn.
And the answer is, we didn't have the phone call, I'm not talking to you.
Because you know that, you've got my damn phone records.
dan friesen
So this has to do with the testimony provided by Cassidy Hutchinson, who was an aide to Mark Meadows, Trump's chief of staff.
Under oath, she testified that, quote, I'm under the impression that Mr. Meadows did complete both a call to Mr. Stone and General Flynn the evening of the 5th.
She couldn't definitively say that the calls were made, and there's no direct evidence that these calls were planned for the riot the next day, but in her capacity as Meadows' aide, she knew that her boss was told to contact Stone and Flynn, and it was her sense that he had.
That's all she testified to.
Alex is getting close to why the committee might be interested in talking to him, though.
It's not really maybe about his actions on the 6th.
He released an interview with General Flynn, which he filmed on the evening of January 5th.
And if you watch that interview, there's a number of clues about where that interview might have been filmed.
For one, there's a painting behind Flynn, which is a reproduction of Samuel Morse's painting, The House of Representatives, which is firmly in fitting with the decor of the Willard Hotel, where Rudy and all those folks had their war room.
jordan holmes
Right, so we know it's not Batman's house.
And there's a painting hanging, so we're good there.
dan friesen
And it's definitely not the original of this painting, because that's in the National Gallery of Art.
You can tell by the acoustics that it's not...
Not the same spot.
Additionally, that evening, Flynn was photographed with Roger Stone at the Willard Hotel, wearing the same clothes that he's wearing in the interview that he did with Alex.
Finally, Alex, Roger, and Flynn all spoke at the same event that evening.
Also speaking that night were Jack Posobiec, George Papadopoulos, and Ali Alexander, who introduced Roger and took a special moment to thank him for being the force behind Stop the Steal.
jordan holmes
No!
That's a bad look in retrospect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex was there at the Willard Hotel that evening, based on everything I can tell.
It really seems like that interview took place at some room at the Willard Hotel.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
If I were him, I really wouldn't want to testify either.
Not because I suspect that he's actually knowingly involved in any plot, but because of the fear that I might accidentally offer up some detail that's super damning.
jordan holmes
100% that.
dan friesen
Alex probably doesn't know what he knows.
That's dangerous to his allies.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But he knows that all the people who aren't talking, he was around, so he probably shouldn't talk either.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
Rudy and John Eastman aren't talking.
Roger and Flynn both pled the fifth, so he's doing that too.
jordan holmes
Like, you could totally see Alex being like, no, no, and then all I did after that was went to the bathroom.
Nothing weird happened.
What time did you go to the bathroom?
8.15.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
You know, like, that's totally what would happen immediately.
dan friesen
Yeah, you'd get jammed up by some seemingly benign detail.
jordan holmes
Just innocuous question, and then all of a sudden he's fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's kind of my feeling.
And I don't think that they would be asking him about a phone call that he had with them, because based on the evidence, he was with them on January 5th.
jordan holmes
He was right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If not at the Willard, which I'm pretty sure that interview was at the Willard.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If not there, then at that rally that they all spoke at that evening, where Alex yelled about how tomorrow would be the globalists' waterloo.
jordan holmes
Boy, that one's really, really seems like you knew what was gonna happen, doesn't it?
dan friesen
Also, I was watching back through that rally, and it's really funny.
Ali Alexander introduces Roger Stone, and then a rap group comes out.
And I use that term very loosely.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
They come out and do the Roger Stone did nothing wrong rap.
Roger's up there in like a pinstripe suit looking like a fucking huge villain.
jordan holmes
Looking like the penguin is having vanilla.
It was like in TMNT 2. Right.
dan friesen
But they were rapping for the good guys.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
They were rapping for the turtles.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Go ninja rap.
jordan holmes
Why aren't there more raps about turtles?
dan friesen
Time will tell.
God only knows.
So, look, I think that this Hutchinson testimony is really a problem for a lot of folks.
And so you kind of just have to fight back with it by just saying, like, she just made everything up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
alex jones
The reason Roger's joining us is not just that.
The wheels have come off their deceptions.
This Cassidy Hutchinson was fawning after Trump to get a job after the White House was not given a job in Mar-a-Wago, so she's gotten angry.
And made all this up.
Trump came out yesterday and instantly said, none of this is true.
And then the Secret Service said, yeah, no such thing happened.
He didn't climb up the front of the car.
He didn't grab the wheel.
None of this is true.
He's sitting away in the back.
And then she also said that she wrote this handwritten note on what Trump's directives were on January 6th.
And it turns out she didn't.
And they've already had others testify to that.
I mean, the woman is a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
alex jones
And we just see this going on and on and on, committing crimes under oath, and Liz Cheney, it's come out, knew that she was lying, and knew who wrote the handwritten note, but still didn't call her on it.
dan friesen
The matter of this handwritten note has to do with a note that was on Meadows Stationery, and it was a message that they wanted Trump to get out.
That was essentially that everyone should go home.
Trump lawyer Eric Hirschman claims that it was actually he who wrote the note, not Hutchinson.
I don't think this matters as much as Alex thinks.
Like, for one thing, Hirschman isn't saying this under oath, and he's Trump's lawyer, so I don't know how seriously I want to take this claim.
Yeah.
Also...
This is kind of...
It kind of makes things look worse for Trump.
In essence, you have two people, one witness and one of his own lawyers, who are saying that they wrote a note with a message for him to tell the rioters to go home, and yet he did nothing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that kind of looks weird.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you get a note from an aide that says, tell everybody to go home, perhaps you look at it and you say, who gives a fuck with this aide fix?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But if your personal lawyer gives you a note...
That maybe makes it look more like you should have listened, and less like you were...
dan friesen
Also, maybe that note becomes privileged.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, it's possible.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So I think that the story about Trump trying to commandeer the vehicle so he could join the rioters, that's an interesting image, and I wouldn't put it past him, but it's important to keep in mind that all Hutchinson was testifying to is that she heard that story from Tony Ornato, the deputy chief of staff.
The Secret Service has disputed this event happened, but Ornato has not to this point disputed telling the story to Hutchinson.
There are threads to untangle here, but honestly, this was kind of off the beaten path from what was important about that day's testimony.
But it's about the only angle Trump propagandists like Alex have to deflect from other really damning stuff that come out.
Yeah.
unidentified
Has come out.
dan friesen
If I were Alex, I'd probably go this route too.
Not because it's wise, but because there's not.
jordan holmes
You know, the problem with that is That salacious type detail of, oh, the president trying to strangle a Secret Service agent, that's going to get you fucking headlines for sure.
But that salacious shit is what the right feeds off of.
It gives them strength.
They gain magical electricity powers by being able to focus purely on that and not on anything of any substance.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's unfortunate that getting headlines and attention relies on having interesting things.
And that's the only way that this propaganda machine can function.
If it's just dry analysis of stuff and really boring, Alex can't do anything with that.
unidentified
No, absolutely.
jordan holmes
If it was literally just a sequence of videos...
Placed with evidence and zero eyewitness testimony at all, really.
And just like, this is what happened.
We have the exact timeline of events.
It's indisputable.
dan friesen
Have you ever noticed that Alex has never read off a legal document or a bill?
It's because he's bored by that.
He can't do shit with that.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, I'm so bored.
dan friesen
So anyway, Adam Schiff is on this January 6th committee.
And we also know that he is still needing to fill his hand.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
We're still waiting years later for him to fill his hand.
Yeah.
But he's a known liar, as Alex has proven.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Not really.
But anyway, he's making false statements, apparently.
alex jones
But I guess it's really peas in a pod or birds of a feather fly together, flock together, because you have Schiff on the committee, who three times we know of, he's been caught, I'm sure there's more, totally falsified documents and emails and changed the words around.
To say something completely different.
She's testifying.
She heard Trump say, I want to join an armed insurrection and take the Capitol over.
There's no other witnesses.
It's not true.
Trump wanted 10,000 in the National Guard there.
Trump was concerned about Antifa.
dan friesen
Alex knows damn well that Schiff didn't do that, and that Trump didn't order security for the Capitol on January 6th.
These are just well-worn talking points he's repeated enough that the audience assumes they must be true.
He wouldn't keep saying this if it wasn't true.
jordan holmes
How many years are we on for this?
dan friesen
The irony is that he's accusing Schiff of falsifying statements, but he's actually doing the exact same thing as it relates to Ms. Hutchinson.
She never said that Trump wanted to join an armed insurrection and take over the Capitol.
That's Alex's...
jordan holmes
Editorial spin.
dan friesen
Also, in terms of other witnesses that Trump wanted to join the protest, Alex himself had said that was the plan.
Trump said he was going to do that from his speech at the Ellipse.
During the very committee hearing that Alex is covering, they played recorded testimony from Trump's former press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, who said, quote, I believe when we got back to the White House, he said he wanted to physically walk with the marchers.
He wanted to be a part of the march in some fashion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, there's plenty of people who definitely can point to the appearance of intent.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, but, you know.
Now, it's more fun if you really lean into the fascist element of just telling people the thing that they absolutely saw and can see at any point in time they want didn't actually happen.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, that's going to become really important later in this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the good fascism.
That's when you know you're getting it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Roger pops in.
Hello, I'm Roger.
unidentified
Hello!
jordan holmes
A little top hat?
dan friesen
I have a funny hat.
And he's got some lies to throw around.
roger stone
She alleges that the president told his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to call me and General Flynn on January 5th to discuss, to ask us what was going to happen on the 6th.
I've never spoken to Mark Meadows on the phone, ever.
dan friesen
Miss Hutchinson only said that it was her understanding that the calls were made.
If they weren't made, her testimony can still be completely accurate with no lie.
Also, Roger is making up what she's testified about, you know, like why the calls were made.
Roger claims it's so they could tell Trump what was going to happen on the 6th, but Hutchinson is asked directly, quote, do you know what they talked about that evening?
To which she replies, quote, I'm not sure.
Liz Cheney asserts that, quote, This wasn't necessarily based on any testimony provided by Hutchinson.
It could be from other investigation that was carried out by the committee.
Roger's problem is with Liz Cheney, but the goal for the right-wing media right now is to do whatever they can to malign Cassidy Hutchinson so her testimony is not.
Yep.
them to her in order to further that goal.
Roger's been at this game for a long fucking time.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
This is just...
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a little bit sad.
It feels like his heart isn't quite in the same way anymore.
He doesn't take that same glee with being a complete piece of shit.
dan friesen
He doesn't seem as angry.
jordan holmes
No, and he has to pretend he believes in God all the time.
dan friesen
Maybe that's why he's not so angry.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But, yeah, there's something of a...
I guess when you've been to prison and you're living only by the grace of Trump, there is maybe a wake-up call that maybe it's not so fun to be the Joker.
jordan holmes
I don't know if this was the best thing I've done.
Now that I'm living with the consequences, I'm starting to think, wait a second, hold on.
When I was reaping...
I was like, ha, ha, ha, this is great.
dan friesen
And then I started sewing and someone was like, stop that, you're fine.
jordan holmes
Stop doing that, you're free.
dan friesen
I got bailed out of sewing my consequences.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But that probably won't happen twice.
So anyway, look, she's, this Hutchinson, she's just like an angry former employee.
alex jones
Wow, you talk about reckless.
How could they convince this young woman to do stuff like this?
roger stone
Well, you know, what's particularly odious is the fact that she said all these things, yet after this period where she makes all these assertions against the president, she was seeking to join his staff at Mar-a-Lago.
She was seeking to go into his, you know, his post-president staff.
alex jones
Sure, so it's sour grapes.
It's sour grapes.
It's a disgruntled employee.
Wow.
We'll be right back with Roger Stone Exclusive.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
So, yeah, just a disgruntled employee.
Nothing to see here.
jordan holmes
There's no one who isn't...
Okay.
You can't both be an employee of Trump and be not disgruntled.
True, right?
So any employee who speaks out against him is a disgruntled employee.
Because any employee is a disgruntled employee.
dan friesen
I think you have a three-tiered thing.
You have current employees who are afraid to speak out.
You have people who are respecting their NDAs that they were forced into, and they don't say anything.
And then you have disgruntled former employees.
jordan holmes
Yes, but all three of them can testify to the same information.
dan friesen
Most likely.
I mean, like, you can be a disgruntled employee and definitely tell the truth still about your disgruntlement.
jordan holmes
In honesty, that's why you pay people off.
That's the whole thing that Trump does, is he gives you a lot of money because you're disgruntled, and you can either tell people what you're disgruntled about, or you can get a lot of money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, all that being said, I don't have any particular reason to distrust the account that Ms. Hutchinson gave.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't have any...
Particular reason, the evidence that's being thrown around by people like Alex is not compelling in any way.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
As a debunking.
Yeah.
But I also am not getting all up in, like, he grabbed the wheel hysteria.
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
It's not going to happen.
dan friesen
It's not worth it to get really excited about these sort of vibrant images.
jordan holmes
How many times are we going to do this, oh man, that's just too good.
It's got to be true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We don't need more of that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's not productive.
Nope.
Plays on social media well, though.
jordan holmes
It really does.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex said that he's going to break down this fucking committee and how Hutchinson's a liar.
jordan holmes
All of it.
dan friesen
And then he says this.
alex jones
Look, I'm not going to bore you with the clips of the lies of the January 6th committee.
It's all over the news.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
If you want to hear the evidence that proves the things that I'm arguing against, you can go find it.
This is not a court of law, my friend.
dan friesen
But also, it's just, I don't know, not irresponsible, but it's glaring that he's like, I'm going to get into this, and then he's like, I'm not going to bore you with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Especially not, you know, the stuff he doesn't want.
unidentified
Mm-mm.
dan friesen
So we know what Roger wants.
jordan holmes
Freedom for all animals of the sea.
dan friesen
No.
Money.
unidentified
Oh, okay, yeah.
roger stone
Well, look, the purpose of this is just a relentless attack.
You said it earlier, Alex, they hate us because we're warriors.
So for me, this means bigger and bigger legal fees.
I have to pay attorneys to defend myself.
I've already, as you know...
I met my legal obligations under their subpoena, but I pled the Fifth Amendment, not because I've done anything wrong, not because I have anything to hide, but because I have extensive experience with their ability to twist innocuous, immaterial, irrelevant things you say into a crime.
dan friesen
Hey, buddy, that's not what the Fifth is for.
jordan holmes
That's for when you have probably done a crime.
dan friesen
I mean, like, the Fifth isn't just like, hey, you never have to answer anything.
This is an abuse of the amendment, for sure.
I don't know.
I think that this is just sad, and obviously a fundraising opportunity for them.
jordan holmes
I think it's very funny that in the...
Hyper-masculinized, toxic bullshit, like this is how strong you have to be and dominant and all that stuff.
I'm a warrior, and for me, that means higher legal fees.
I do appreciate the absolute deflation of being a warrior who just pays an extra 10%.
dan friesen
The price of my bullshit is going up.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
Inflation, baby!
So here's where everything turns.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And when I say turns, on a dime.
Oh, man.
Bump that up to a quarter.
Because this shit goes nuts.
alex jones
Trump's going to run in 2024.
We know that.
30 seconds.
When does he announce and what happens to DeSantis?
roger stone
I think he announces sooner rather than later.
I think he announces as early as July.
I think these kind of attacks probably accelerate that, if anything.
DeSantis needs to stick to his knitting and get re-elected governor before he could move out openly in a presidential campaign.
I do think he is sizing up, taking on the champ.
New national poll last week, Adam Glocken and Associates in the Gateway Pundit shows that Trump easily dispatches all comers.
It's his race to lose.
alex jones
Hold on, Roger.
This is too hot.
Do five more minutes with us if you can.
jordan holmes
What in God's name?
alex jones
Continue to talk about the midterm first.
More on Trump as early as this July, meaning like a week, he could be announcing the 2024 run.
Wow.
dan friesen
This is too hot.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I have got my first.
Actual, exclusive story that no one knows about, and the only person telling it to me is notorious liar Roger Stone!
dan friesen
And he's not even really telling you, it's not news, it's shit talk.
Yeah!
But this will become the rest of the show.
jordan holmes
Of course it will.
Of course.
Why would I assume anything different?
dan friesen
Alex spends the rest of the show obsessed that he has this scoop.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
On an exclusive.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And it becomes that he's going to announce on the 4th of July.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
So this Monday.
jordan holmes
So they're saying.
Okay.
dan friesen
This Monday, Trump is going to announce his candidacy for 2024.
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
Or maybe he's not, but he probably is, but who knows.
So that will be the rest, almost entirely the rest of the episode.
jordan holmes
You know, honestly, the more I think about it, the more it really does make sense in a cinematic way.
Everything's a movie to these people.
You do it on the 4th of July, and then for us, we get the added irony of recognizing that in the flag of freedom is fascism.
It'd be great!
dan friesen
Sure, and I also think that it's on brand with just how flagrantly disrespectful it is.
Absolutely, yeah.
I think that...
jordan holmes
Self-aggrandizing, especially.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
On this, the day of our nation's founding, let's think about me!
dan friesen
Let me hijack the news cycle on the 4th of July and make everyone talk about me.
jordan holmes
Let's remind everybody on 9-11, I had the biggest buildings, in case anybody was wondering.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, it is kind of his brand.
I don't know.
I would not be that surprised if it happened.
Totally, totally.
I would not bank on it based on this.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I don't think Roger has some inside information.
If you're throwing out movie pitches, which is what Roger was doing, then that is a great pitch.
dan friesen
He's trying to get people excited to give to his fucking legal defense.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes.
dan friesen
Anyway, look.
Trump wasn't going to run.
jordan holmes
Oh, but now.
dan friesen
Yeah, he is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Well, it's Roger Stone that helped prime the pump to get President Trump to run.
And he is a close confidant of him.
I'll leave it at that.
First rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club, but Trump wasn't going to run for president right after they stole the election from him.
But then because of the lies and the attacks and him seeing the country run in the dirt, he told Roger and many others, this has now come out, yeah, I'm running.
And that was, what, six, seven months ago.
dan friesen
What's the second rule of Fight Club, Alex?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
And now it's Roger and many others, too.
Like, we've expanded this.
unidentified
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
You can feel it growing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Within the last five minutes of him hearing Roger say that and him thinking about it for five seconds, he has imagined 30 other voices in his head going, wow, I can't believe that Trump is going to run.
dan friesen
You start with a story.
It's like watching dough rise.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's just expanding.
jordan holmes
We're proving the dough.
We are proving the dough as we speak.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is big breaking news, my man.
alex jones
Trump, right now, if you know how to read the tea leaves of what Roger said, I'm not trying to steal thunder here, Trump is intending to declare his 2024 run on July 4th.
Now, as Roger said, that's tactical flexibility.
Sorry, this is just, when you get a big giant kahuna newsbreaker like that, it makes the little pitter-patter get excited, because I love to break big news.
But as he said, it's like Elvis has got Merrill Monroe in the bed, and they're about to do the deed.
Maybe Elvis decides he's a little tired and doesn't want to do it, and he turns the light out.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Is this or is this not a family show?
jordan holmes
Was Elvis tired or just really on a lot of barbiturates?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what he's talking about.
unidentified
Me neither.
dan friesen
I mean, fucking, obviously.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, no, clearly.
dan friesen
But, okay, so...
This tactical flexibility thing.
jordan holmes
What that means is nothing.
It means that I will say it, or I won't, or I don't, or I will.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
What it means is if this does not happen, I'm still right.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Yeah, of course.
Tactical flexibility means it could, or it could not, and I'm doing it right.
dan friesen
I'm announcing this big fucking kahuna story.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
No one else has this exclusive.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
I'm going to get all the press for this, but also I should tell you it might not happen.
jordan holmes
Well, let me tell you this.
dan friesen
Maybe this isn't.
jordan holmes
If it's not announced on the 4th of July, that's because tactically, that wasn't the best move.
dan friesen
Right.
And maybe this is not news.
Maybe it's not even gossip.
Maybe it's a level below gossip.
It's based on you reading the tea leaves of what Roger is telling you.
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
You make everything up on your own.
So you'd think whenever you talk to a man who's a champion-maker-upper of everything on his own, you'd be like, maybe he's making this up.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You gotta understand, though, I think Alex really didn't have anything to talk about today.
And so he is so fucking excited.
alex jones
Trump is intending, on July 4th, to announce the 2024 run.
You talk about blood coming out of the eyeballs of the left.
You think they're upset about Roe v.
Wade?
The only thing they hate more babies is Trump.
So this is just insane.
So I'm very glad I called Roger Stone today.
And let me tell you, he's not a BSer.
He tells you something.
But here's the deal.
unidentified
You heard him say it.
alex jones
Trump may make a tactical decision or tactical flexibility.
Not to announce July 4th.
But as it stands right now, Trump is going to announce a 2024 run this Monday.
dan friesen
On air at this moment, everything is true and false at the same time.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, okay, so there's a presidential run in a box with a cesium at him.
dan friesen
By observing the presidential announcement, you change whether he declares or not.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Also, man, when you say Roger Stone isn't a bullshitter, you're in deep.
You're in trouble.
jordan holmes
If you say that, then a lightning should strike you.
That is the one thing where if there is a god, you just can't say that.
dan friesen
Right.
I think that if...
I don't know.
I'm trying to think of anybody that I respect.
I'm trying to imagine them being like, you know what?
Roger Stone's a pretty straight-up guy.
I would instantly...
Call into question everything they ever said.
jordan holmes
Everything I've ever known about them.
dan friesen
Your instincts could not be worse.
jordan holmes
Not just that, but your thought process to think that you should say that out loud to me.
That is something that, if I'm around you, you keep buried under a rock outside.
dan friesen
Could not be a greater bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I mean, the legendary!
That's insulting to him!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's an insult!
dan friesen
It's a degradation of his career, his brand, his legacy.
jordan holmes
He's a...
Champion bullshit.
He is a historical bullshitter.
dan friesen
He'll go in the record books.
jordan holmes
He will!
dan friesen
So look, also in the record books.
Yeah.
Alex's famous walks on the green belt.
jordan holmes
Those are...
dan friesen
It's been a while since we've heard about one.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
Plus, this morning I was hiking on the green belt, and I find really cool fossils all the time.
dan friesen
Cool.
alex jones
Sometimes these really big, ancient conch shells and things that are huge, beautiful.
My house is full of them.
But I know how to look up at the cliffs and things and see their shape.
So I'm hiking along this area, and I look way up, and I think, oh, that looks like a shell.
That looks like a fossil.
Let me scrabble up that embankment up to that.
Of course, it wasn't what I thought it was, but I found those many times that way.
I'm getting old here, and I blew my back out, kind of slipped and fell and slid down that thing a little bit.
dan friesen
Good story.
alex jones
Feels like somebody's punched me right.
Right in the kidney right there, but I'm going to be fine.
I took some Advil.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
I'm just processing right now.
jordan holmes
Report done.
alex jones
Processing right now that Trump is going to run and going to announce on July 4th right now.
It's like when somebody's got a gun to your head with the hammer back and their finger on the trigger and they've decided to blow your brains out.
Now, they might decide not to.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
But he's got it locked and loaded right now about to pull the trigger.
And so, that's where it's at.
And that's a whole other subject.
In fact, we got Alex Stein who went to New York and the leftist protested and even tried to shut down his free speech.
And we got incredible videos and the whole drag queen pedophile time situation.
He's on with us next hour.
But I almost just want to clear the decks today.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
You gotta clear the decks.
You got this kind of big news?
You gotta not talk about all of the things that you spent 15, 20 hours of work preparing for.
You gotta throw all that out the window because this is career-making news-breaking.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Even if it is true.
Then you're just telling me right now that a man we all knew was going to run for president six or seven months ago...
dan friesen
Probably was going to, yeah.
jordan holmes
Probably was going to.
You're saying that, yes, he's going to.
And then he'll say it officially.
dan friesen
Well, I guess, I mean...
jordan holmes
Is that really news?
dan friesen
Here's the two things that I can think of that would be exciting about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
One is now you actually have to have the conversation of do we actually support Trump still?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that that could be difficult to have with Alex's audience.
Because a lot of them have turned on him.
A lot of them...
And Alex has turned on him and then come back and then turned on him again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll see.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there is that.
Like, we really have to figure out where we are.
And that could be challenging.
And then the second thing is the notion of doing it on the 4th of July.
I think there's a troll excitement that Alex is getting with like, oh my god, that would piss off the libs so much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's definitely there.
dan friesen
And I think that is a big part of the, you know, like, yeah, we knew he was going to run, but he's really going to try and piss people off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Isn't that fun?
jordan holmes
That is the fun.
I mean, yeah, of course he's going to run and he's going to win by a billion.
He gets to say to the right wing, For the first time ever, I delivered on Roe v.
Wade.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Like, nobody else gets to say that.
I appointed the three blind-eyed lunatics who throw their own feces up in the air and watch it land on paper and call that their judgment.
dan friesen
I think that, um...
jordan holmes
He delivered!
dan friesen
Yeah, I think you come to a sort of a weird thing about that, like, taking credit for it, but you can.
You know, it was the justices that did it themselves, but he appointed them.
Yeah, but I think you could make an argument that Mitch McConnell really has more there.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
But Mitch McConnell is not running for president.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
jordan holmes
And Mitch McConnell wants people to run for president and get all of that attention and have a grand old time with it.
You're so powerful, Mr. Trump.
You're so powerful.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that that is a selling point that will be very attractive to Block of the Republican base.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine if Obama delivered on universal healthcare in 2009?
We would have amended the Constitution.
He'd still be fucking president.
If any politician had delivered on fucking anything in the past 30 years, they'd still be president.
dan friesen
A rump.
So Alex has some other news that he's going to try to cover, but he's kind of too excited to really even pay attention to anything.
alex jones
By the way, I meant to cover that yesterday.
I had video clips of it from National News.
So you guys go into the list and pull me the articles and pull me the video and put it back on my desk so I can actually have it in front of me.
Thanks.
Poor Cruz got to run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
All the stuff I asked for, they do a great job.
The EPA slash FDA board that is in between both agencies came out.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
alex jones
And they said, you know...
jordan holmes
Did they do that?
alex jones
We're just going to stop even doing trials or studies on things.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
The FDA.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The CDC agreed.
jordan holmes
Why is the CDC here?
alex jones
They said, we're just going to stop doing studies.
We're not going to have trials anymore.
And we're just going to give people whatever we want.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Baskin Robbins, and Wendy's, and Long John Silver's, and A&W, and everybody have decided to open one restaurant.
dan friesen
And the EPA will be running out of it.
alex jones
And the EPA will be run out of it.
dan friesen
This was...
I mean, look.
jordan holmes
And the CDC is there.
alex jones
Look!
dan friesen
Who amongst us...
Wouldn't make some mistakes if you were just making shit up all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Like, you're gonna make some mistakes, but that's a pretty fun one.
jordan holmes
That's a great one.
dan friesen
That's a man who is drowning, and he is flailing.
unidentified
The EPA, FDA, CAEDC.
dan friesen
They decided they don't like science anymore.
jordan holmes
They just don't like it.
They're done with it.
dan friesen
No more experiments.
jordan holmes
They have decided that there will be no more experiments on anything.
dan friesen
No more trials, nothing.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
Did you want a new pill?
dan friesen
No!
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
We'll give it to you, but it might be a rock.
jordan holmes
We don't know what it is.
dan friesen
So this wasn't on the national news.
This was just an article that Alex skimmed the headline of that was published in the Epoch Times.
The full headline is, quote, World Health Organization behind FDA scheme to skip all future clinical trials for COVID vaccines.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This was a load of bullshit that doesn't even live up to that headline, leaving aside the insane nonsense Alex is reporting.
He's looping in the EPA, apparently.
jordan holmes
Because of the Supreme Court decision, right?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that wasn't until...
dan friesen
I think he's just coming up with letters.
jordan holmes
I really think he is.
dan friesen
So what's at the root of this is that there was an FDA meeting where one of the topics of conversation was the idea of being able to create an adjustable COVID vaccine that could be flexible to the changing distributions of different variants.
Alex's coverage of this is just completely meaningless babbling.
It has no relation to the actual real world.
It's wild.
But he's so caught up in Trump running!
jordan holmes
EPA, FDA, just saying all those letters in a row is just very, very funny.
dan friesen
Yeah, OSHA.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm telling you right now, I bet if we go into his office, a lot of those fossils and shells that he found, those are just fucking rocks, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Almost certainly.
But I do like that his story was about not finding one.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah, that is interesting.
Well, the story is about hurting his back.
That's what's important.
dan friesen
True, true.
And he had to justify why he was climbing up there.
But I do believe that he didn't find a shell today.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
That's believable.
So look, Alex is pumped, obviously.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So pumped that he needs to spread the bug around.
He's got to make other people really excited about this whole Trump thing.
alex jones
I'll make this decision.
I never tell Owen Schroyer what to do.
He has a great instinct, great talk show host, better than me in many ways.
But once a year, I say I never, once a year I saw a call and go, hey, obviously you're going to be covering this, right?
He's always like, yeah, I'm already on it.
I'm doing that.
So I don't need to call Owen.
His head's in the game.
He's probably listening right now while he's boxing or lifting weights or playing basketball.
Literally listens while he does all that.
Sports fiend.
I wish I was in that great shape.
Obviously, Owen's going to be covering Trump 2024 announcement coming on Monday for his whole three hours today.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
His whole three hours has got to be about this shit talk that Roger did earlier.
Oh, man.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
You know, he's so excited because the campaign part is...
Fun.
The campaign part is exciting.
Everybody says so much bullshit.
Nobody means any of it.
You can argue about Trump promising something that you know he's not even going to try to deliver on.
dan friesen
There's fun rallies.
Everybody gets excited.
jordan holmes
Everybody gets excited.
It's great.
dan friesen
There's actually, to spoil a call from later, someone calls in and says, actually, I think I'll just go ahead and play it because I think that this person makes a really good point.
alex jones
Let's talk to a caller in North Carolina.
Let's talk to...
Neil, thanks for calling.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Thanks for taking my call, Alex.
Hey, first of all, I'd like to say that no one would like to see Trump declare faster than the media.
Because it will boost their ratings skyrocketing again.
dan friesen
I think that guy makes a fair point.
100%.
But also, that media includes Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Like, Alex is excited for this because there's a prospect of how much more he's going to be able to draw in attention-wise.
And then there is the pie-in-the-sky element of this, too, that is like, well, if Trump runs, they probably can't prosecute him.
Right.
If that gets derailed, I might be in less hot water.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I think there's a lot of different aspects to this, but I think you're right.
The campaign aspect is much more fun than the legislating.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's just a circus.
dan friesen
And it's more profitable.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everybody just wants to get attention, so you say flamboyant nonsense, get it all out there, and then if you actually do get elected, you just say that you didn't mean any of it.
dan friesen
So here is...
This clip's a little bit longer, but it's where Alex sort of makes peace with, like, I'm just not doing shit today.
Fuck this.
jordan holmes
I like it.
alex jones
Alright, here's what's going on.
I have massive economic news that will affect every one of us bigger than anything we've ever experienced.
If you think inflation's bad right now, I mean, I shudder in anger at myself that I am not running around 24-7 myself.
Getting prepared, getting ready, which I'm already somewhat prepared, but that's my flesh.
My flesh is smart, but it's also weak.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Because it thinks about itself and says, you get ready, you protect yourself.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
But if I don't use the spirit that's more powerful, Lightyear is more powerful, and fight the tyranny and stand against it, then all the horrible stuff will happen, and then some, and then it won't matter how prepared I get.
You understand?
jordan holmes
That's an insane thing to say.
alex jones
In my experience, the vast majority of your time fighting to stop evil, fighting to expose it, and then some time being prepared.
But we've entered the season now where it's not about stopping it anymore.
It's about getting prepared more and more.
So I was going to get to this big Brexit report.
We'll actually play it at the start of the next segment.
It's so powerful.
Bricks announces a new world reserve currency as America commits economic suicide.
It's a perfect headline by Greg Reese.
Look, I love my whole crew.
They're all amazing.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
I'm in a good mood, so I'm not mad at the crew.
alex jones
One of his reports is Grand Slam, out of the park, Muhammad Ali meets Babe Ruth.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
But he's on target.
It's posted at Infowars.com.
We're going to play that at the start of the next segment.
And then I'm going to take 10 phone calls ahead of Alex Stein.
And then when he leaves us, if you're still on hold, I'll get to you.
But I don't want to keep everybody on hold.
Alex Stein's going to be joining us, but I want to take 10 phone calls.
Please don't load 20 up, guys.
Because if we do that, then, you know, I won't get to them all.
But I'm going to take 10 phone calls.
We're not going to open the phones up yet.
We're going to open them up, start the next segment.
And we're going to take 10 phone calls on what do you think on this Wednesday, June 29th broadcast directly from someone that talked to Donald John Trump that he is right now saying he's looking to announce.
He thinks he's going to announce on July 4th.
In five days.
dan friesen
It's incessant.
jordan holmes
If I said anything in that clip anywhere near a hospital, they would not let me leave that hospital.
dan friesen
I...
I think it's pretty par for the course for him.
I mean, it's basically just making excuses not to do your job.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I have all this big economic news.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Fuck it.
I'll play that Greg Reese report, and then I'm going to take calls because I want to bullshit with people about Trump running.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And I want to see if the audience is into it or not, because quite frankly, they might not be.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
And then I'm going to talk to this Alex Stein weirdo for a bit.
jordan holmes
And he's just so emotionally abusive.
Like, you can feel...
That clip being like every just, oh man, you know, when he's in a really good mood, he's so nice and he's complimentary, but when he's in a bad mood, he's just so mean to him.
So apparently, unfortunately, the entire work staff is now devoted towards trying to keep him in a good mood.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And that doesn't go well.
dan friesen
They're apparently not good at it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't think.
jordan holmes
Well, he's not mad at them.
dan friesen
No, never.
jordan holmes
They're pretty good at it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex seems to be, like I mentioned, there's obviously the incentive of the ratings and what have you that would come from Trump running.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There is also that legal aspect, and I based that on this next clip.
alex jones
So I'm going to give you the total free number.
When we come back for first-time callers today, you're 60 seconds on what do you think of the exclusive?
And I'm not as excited because it's such a big exclusive.
dan friesen
Huge.
alex jones
The ramifications of it are wild.
What are the ramifications of Trump running?
Because they're trying to put him in prison, and he knows that if he announces his run, whatever they cook up or do, historically they cannot indict someone who is prominent, who's already been president, and who's running for president again.
This is so big.
dan friesen
That sounds like Alex saying, like, if he runs, he won't be punished for the crimes that he did.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's 100% that.
unidentified
Cool, man.
jordan holmes
I'm so weirded out by this.
I'm so weirded out by this, and it's not because of anything, but I just really have always felt that if you lose a coup, then you die, right?
I just always thought that's how it's supposed to.
I'm not saying that it's supposed to work.
I just assumed that's how it works.
dan friesen
In books, it has seemed like that's the projector.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like you win or you die, and it's not even personal.
It's just the way the system works.
dan friesen
In more historical times, too, it seemed like that was what the coup attempter would have wanted.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because it's kind of humiliating.
jordan holmes
I lost a coup, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, like a seppuku.
It ends in coup, buddy.
That's how you know the Japanese knew it right.
dan friesen
But I also think that what you have now, too, is this coup that is being pretended like it's not.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that's how you get away from that shame.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
No, they tried a soft coup, and their opening didn't go well, so they're trying to retool their fucking service staff, and then they're going to try again.
dan friesen
Well, no, because it wasn't even a soft coup.
It was a counter coup.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
As we all know.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
From Steve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then they lost the counter coup, so they have to do the counter, counter, counter, counter coup.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yep, yep.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Fuck.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, it seems like Alex is also excited, like I mentioned earlier, that this is just gonna freak out the fucking libs.
alex jones
I hope Trump, just to freak these people out and drive them into the ground, he also sees the Santas in poles starting to eclipse him.
Oh yeah, all the planets have aligned.
Trump right now is planning to announce his second run for president in the United States.
Only guy that never ran for office and became president first time.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Except Abraham Lincoln.
jordan holmes
That's not true!
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
No, I mean, just for the sake, like...
Trump did try to run for president before.
jordan holmes
This is nonsense.
I don't know what we're talking about.
dan friesen
Also, I think Alex is saying that Trump wants to announce his run because he's jealous of the attention that DeSantis is getting.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And that feels accurate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really does.
dan friesen
That would be a motivation I would believe.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Petty narcissism.
jordan holmes
100%.
100%.
dan friesen
But look, whatever happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whether Trump announces on Monday or if there's tactical flexibility.
jordan holmes
Tactical flexibility.
dan friesen
There is one thing.
That is always true.
jordan holmes
You just say wishy-washy bullshit.
You have to be like, tactical flexibility.
dan friesen
There's one thing no matter what is always true.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
You know it.
alex jones
And you don't need me to tell you that whatever happens with Trump or DeSantis or any of this, you need us to be on air fighting harder than ever.
At a point where our talking points that I developed from research and the Holy Spirit and understanding and callers and guests and a fusion of all this together, immersed in this 20 hours a day, 18 hours a day.
Some days, 20 hours a day.
Most days, 15. What are you doing?
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
None of that is true!
alex jones
They don't want this brain trust, this spirit trust on air.
They want to get to you and they got to get through us to get to you.
They want to get to my children, they got to get through me first.
They want to get to your family, they got to get through you first.
And I'm telling you, I'm on record.
The one thing I want to do is beat these Satanists, and I don't back off 1%.
I am full on war with these people.
But I need your backing if you want me to go in there and stomp the living hell out of these people.
So I want you to go now to InfowarStore.com as you've done before, and gotten great products that enrich you, that enrich us, that we 360 win together, and build our community of victory now.
We have the July 4th Super Sale that starts today and we'll run through next Wednesday.
And I gotta tell you the good news.
This is the best prices ever.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
We're gonna have to rename this the Trump Announces His Candidacy Special.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
That is the...
Like, when he's in a good mood, he's selling shit like a televangelist.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just going in there like, Oh, the day is coming to a god-beautiful close and you will need to sell 1999!
dan friesen
Yeah, when he's in a good mood, his, like, ability to...
Weave emotion into salesmanship.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It's a little more on point.
Also, man, this dude doesn't do 15 hours of preparation.
He doesn't do 15 minutes of preparation.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
He cold reads headlines.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is bullshit.
jordan holmes
He said NATO cities.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then said, whatever that means.
That is 20 hours of work?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Come on, man.
unidentified
That's what you got?
dan friesen
You would have read the article within that 20 hours.
jordan holmes
That is the length of time it would have taken.
dan friesen
Jerk.
jordan holmes
And maybe if you're doing 20 hours of work, maybe spend an hour focused on reading one article.
dan friesen
You could do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then, you know what?
You have a whole lot of time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So maybe spend an hour clearing your head before you get...
Oh, that's a good one.
Breathe a little bit.
Relax.
jordan holmes
Do some guided meditation.
dan friesen
So you don't end up screaming at the crew or anything.
jordan holmes
Probably a bad idea.
dan friesen
All this would be a better use of time.
jordan holmes
Surely.
dan friesen
So now we're going to take some calls.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Alex doesn't want to work.
jordan holmes
Ten calls.
No work.
dan friesen
Fifteen, actually.
jordan holmes
Fifteen calls.
dan friesen
He bumps it up to fifteen.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
Not twenty!
jordan holmes
No!
That's, well, I mean, that's crazy.
dan friesen
Twenty's too many.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
And there's only one thing he wants to talk about.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Global exclusive news.
alex jones
Only call in on that subject.
We love you.
We usually have open free-for-all like yesterday for two hours.
It was amazing.
I love the free-for-all.
Love the wild card.
Today is not a wild card.
Today is one topic and one topic only, and that is Trump 2024.
Are you for it?
Are you against it?
dan friesen
What do you think?
alex jones
It is July.
Now, he calls it tactical flexibility.
He may not announce it Monday, but as of now, Trump is intending to announce on Monday global exclusive.
Tomorrow's news today.
dan friesen
I would say that, I mean, this is sad, but also the response from the audience is fairly mixed.
There's some people who are, like, really excited about Trump, and then there's some people who are like...
He's really old.
We need somebody younger.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Great.
He did some good things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's some people who are just like, yeah, he got the vaccines rolled out.
Like, what do you want?
Like, we need somebody not him.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
We've done this already.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
Like, gauging from the calls themselves, I don't know what the temperature is with his audience.
Using that as a representative sample.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if they're like...
Pumped for a Trump 2024 or not.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think it would be wise for Alex to be more in the DeSantis camp.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think everybody will fall in line, and I very much doubt DeSantis can.
dan friesen
I think everyone will fall in line regardless of which way it goes.
jordan holmes
Regardless of which way it goes.
That's a good point.
No, I mean, as far as DeSantis, he's going to...
Look.
I just find him to be callow, and it's going to be revealed whenever Trump decides to make him feel like a tiny little girl.
dan friesen
Oh, if it were in the primaries, the way he handled Marco Rubio and all of them, I don't know if DeSantis could fight that.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
dan friesen
I feel like you'd need Jesse Ventura to go up against that.
jordan holmes
I mean, you would need professional writers.
dan friesen
Or professional wrestling.
jordan holmes
Or professional wrestling.
Well, I mean, essentially the same gig.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, because he's going to wilt.
He's going to wilt.
He's going to get made fun of, and he's going to get all prickly, and he's going to be like, no, I'm not!
And everybody's going to be like, oh, you're a child.
You're a callow child.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I also think...
That probably there'll be more institutional support behind DeSantis than Trump, because I think that probably rightfully so, most of the GOP could realize that, hey, we can get everything that we could get with Trump, really, without a lot of this headache with DeSantis.
And he's younger, there's far more of a future ahead of him.
jordan holmes
And that makes sense, unless you think, Perhaps there are unintended consequences to making your entire base insane.
dan friesen
Now, that is a problem, and that is the countervailing force that makes it very difficult to predict.
jordan holmes
Unintended consequences are the one thing I can predict.
dan friesen
So look, man, Alex wants to cover the news.
He wants to!
alex jones
Obviously, I didn't intend to have callers during today's show, but I had to, because Roger Stone talks to Trump, doesn't want us to brag every day, and...
He told me a year ago, yeah, Trump's not running.
He's mad.
He didn't want to run.
Now, okay, they're messing with me.
He's going to run.
And now he's going to run.
It looks like he's going to announce in July, probably July 4th.
That's a huge piece of news.
Exclusive.
dan friesen
He had to take calls and not do any of the news.
jordan holmes
He had to.
Can't do it.
dan friesen
Because Roger talked some shit.
jordan holmes
Roger said something.
So the entire three hours of show that I had meticulously planned.
I had 100% for sure.
dan friesen
Bullet points.
jordan holmes
Everything.
Minute by minute outline to make sure that I stayed on topic.
Just can't do it.
dan friesen
Every break, you know, every segment is like building.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like segment A is one topic.
Segment B is another topic.
Segment C is a third topic.
D, at the top of the hour, we're bringing them all together.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
Synthesize.
dan friesen
We're going to illustrate how all this is connected.
And Roger had to run his fucking mouth and now Alex has to take calls.
jordan holmes
Now I'm just going to take calls about a campaign two years away.
dan friesen
We're deprived of this hard-hitting news.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So Alex can't cancel all of his appointments because he has a guest.
He has a guy named Alex Stein on the show.
I don't know if you know who this guy is.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
Is that dude who made some videos of himself like rapping at council meetings and stuff?
They went around on social media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not for me.
dan friesen
No.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm not the target audience for engaging with those.
dan friesen
I think that we're in the guy-who-hits-things-with-hammer territory.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
But more malevolent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, incredibly cerebral comedy or farts.
No in-between.
No middle ground.
One or the other.
dan friesen
Yeah, this guy sucks.
But Alex wants to know where he's at on Trump.
alex stein
Sadly, people are dumb, Alex.
You know this.
So this is my only thing that worries me about Trump is there's so much baggage with Trump that DeSantis doesn't have.
Now, I love Trump.
I like a vengeful Trump.
If Trump runs, I'm behind Trump 1,000%.
But these people are so dumb, and they will use fake evidence against Trump that they don't have on DeSantis.
So for me, I mean, I'm willing to back whoever is going to be on the conservative side.
But I almost think Trump would be more powerful being a kingmaker.
Than by running for president personally.
alex jones
Very smart, nuanced statement by prime time.
Alex Stein here with us right now.
dan friesen
Prime time, Alex Stein.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the definitely never committed a crime Ron DeSantis.
100% not possible to find dirt on that guy.
dan friesen
So this dude, Alex Stein, came into prominence, like I said, by filming himself doing silly raps at city council meetings.
My sense of the whole thing is that people saw the videos and thought they were really embarrassing, which led to them sharing them.
They were making fun of him.
Right.
And now he's got a career in the right-wing media because they went viral.
jordan holmes
Right.
If you make fun of him, then they think that he must be doing something smart.
dan friesen
Right.
Or he's triggering people or something.
He's a desperate loser who I guess did some comedy but isn't funny and then tried to break through by being on a reality TV show called The Glass House back in 2012, but none of it really amounted to anything.
In the era of COVID, he pretty astutely realized that people were making videos of themselves at council meetings and they were going viral pretty easily.
It's a free...
microphone where officials have to let you speak.
So if he came in and acted like a complete stooge, the juxtaposition of it was really alluring bait for people in social media.
You got this idiot who they can't stop from doing something idiotic.
Right.
unidentified
And then you have the stuffy council members sitting there being all official.
dan friesen
So I've poked around on this guy a little bit, and honestly, I don't see anything other than an asshole who will just do anything for attention.
And it seems like he would agree with me.
As a Dallas Magazine article quotes him from his time on that TV show, The Glass House, quote, America, should I turn into the most epic villain in the history of reality TV?
Nobody in this house is going to do what I do, because I've got no shame.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
He seems pretty stupid, too, considering that if these evil globalists can just make up stuff about Trump to hurt his chances in 2024, I mean...
I mean, if these things...
There is no answer.
Like, if these things are just made up, it doesn't matter who you are.
People can just make things up about you.
jordan holmes
Do you know how we know that for sure?
Because the right calls everyone a pedophile.
dan friesen
Right.
I think what Stein is actually trying to say is that Trump has done a bunch of horrible shit that the media can remind people of.
Whereas most people don't really know all that much about Ron DeSantis yet.
So I think there's more of getting familiar with him before you'd be able to have a bunch of stuff stick, whereas with Trump, it's just like a laundry list of...
You remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
Remember that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Remember when he did that thing?
dan friesen
Remember when he was impeached twice?
jordan holmes
And then everybody's like, whoa, I really can't...
I can't believe that I don't remember that.
Every now and again, suddenly I'll remember the four seasons and be like...
Fine.
Fascism.
That's what we earned.
That's what we earned.
We earned it.
dan friesen
Well, but those things stick, whereas DeSantis, not so much.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So, I really don't like Alex Stein.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he sucks.
jordan holmes
If I was on a reality show, if I was on The Glass House...
The problem I would have, I would be kicked off immediately.
Throwing stones?
I would grab a camera operator all the time and be like, hey, check this, and then just toss the stone.
Just over and over and over again.
unidentified
Get it?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Get it?
jordan holmes
It's really funny.
Get it?
unidentified
Get it?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, because of that thing.
You get it?
dan friesen
I feel like my grandpa used to say, people in glass houses shouldn't throw scones.
jordan holmes
That's better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There might have been another layer on that joke, but I'm not sure if there was.
The reason I'm confused is because that on its own is not a joke, but I think that's what he said.
Anyway, this guy sucks.
I really don't like him.
He's the worst.
alex stein
Well, I mean, Alex, we live in a world where they look us in the face and they say sudden adult death syndrome is a real thing.
That is the biggest crock of lies I've ever heard in my entire life.
Now, we've heard of SIDS, and if you look at the MMR scheduling on that, there's a direct correlation that the big pharma exactly says.
alex jones
Major Australian studies that SIDS and Japanese studies is caught by vaccines.
dan friesen
SIDS is not caused by vaccines.
Also, sudden adult death syndrome is a code word that people like Stein are trying to associate with people who have died who have also gotten a COVID vaccine.
It's basically an attempt to create branding for them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The problem is that sudden adult death syndrome is a real thing, and it long predates COVID.
There's an umbrella of things that encompass SIDS, but it's generally people dying unexpectedly in their sleep.
In some cases, the cause is never determined, but a lot of the deaths are thought to be due to inherited heart disease that had gone unnoticed.
You can find literature on this going back many years.
Anyway, all of this is a propaganda branding exercise for Stein, so he doesn't particularly care that his actions are treating real people's deaths as the butt of his joke.
And being like, oh, you want us to think that this is a real thing?
Yes, it is a real thing.
That is a real thing.
You prick.
Anyway, look, here's what I'm saying.
I really don't like this guy, partially because of his politics.
I think they suck.
And then partially because his whole game is so boring and transparent.
Like, it really is just about trying to get attention.
And the way that people go about pushing back against that often is counterproductive.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it gives him more attention.
And I think that...
I think it's cheap.
It's a trap.
He's playing a game that's a trap, and I don't respect that at all.
jordan holmes
Why does the kid eat the worm?
He doesn't eat it for the five cents or whatever.
He eats it to make the people laugh and give him attention, and then they laugh and give him attention, and then he does it again, because he knows he can get laughs and attention.
That's what it is.
And he's just never changed from that five-year-old who eats the worm.
dan friesen
It very well may be, but whatever the case, he's using that for evil, and I got no time for it, and I disrespect it quite a bit.
And he's just stupid.
alex stein
Yes, they say correlation doesn't mean causation, but anybody with half a brain realizes that's a lie.
That's a bold-faced lie.
jordan holmes
Wait, correlation does mean causation?
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
I mean, there's a few stupider things you can say.
jordan holmes
That's a lie!
Not that's wrong.
That's a lie.
Like, we've known for centuries correlation does equal causation.
But the greatest trick that Archimedes ever pulled...
dan friesen
Well, I mean, there are those websites that make graphs of things that are unrelated that run parallel to each other.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
There's a litany of examples of things that correlate, but there's no causation.
jordan holmes
And if you sit there and get high, you can stare at them and be like, is there a connection to someone?
unidentified
There must be.
jordan holmes
There's gotta be.
dan friesen
And if you're Alex Stein, you know that there is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
This guy gets it.
jordan holmes
He's probably gonna say the word fractals in a conversation with you.
dan friesen
So Alex has some other information that he has just learned about, apparently, that proves that Trump is running and he's gonna announce.
alex jones
Here's why we know he's running.
They just announced today six more women say that he raped him with no evidence.
Just like Kavanaugh.
I mean, is that not a big indicator they're scared?
alex stein
Yeah, I mean, it's just ridiculous.
All the lies, that's the problem, is people are able to decipher the lies like you and me, because we can say that the news is totally fake.
But sadly, Alex, you know this, the mass population are all dumbed down on antidepressants, have no idea, left, right, up and down.
They're worried about their bills, they're worried about the inflation.
dan friesen
I don't know what six women story he's talking about.
I don't think that's a real story.
I think Alex is just making that up.
Wow.
In order to pretend that Trump is being subject to heightened attacks, which would make his argument about the July 4th announcement more plausible to his conspiracy-mind-riddled audience.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
I think that's what's going on.
I don't know what this story is.
Did you hear a story about six more women coming forward?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
And that's a thing that he can make up just because, I mean, fuck it.
You'd believe it.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
It's plausible.
jordan holmes
It's very plausible.
dan friesen
And his audience would see it as plausible that the globalists would make that up in order to besmirch his good name.
When it's really stupid, because that clearly didn't have an effect previously.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it wasn't made up.
jordan holmes
And six additional doesn't...
If that's your...
If the globalist plan is like, okay, well, we need six.
We'd prefer eight.
But we need six.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, why?
I don't know.
Why?
dan friesen
Well, because Alex is making it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Stein talks a little bit here about the inspiration for his work.
alex jones
Them killing your mother in the hospital, denying her treatment is what pushed you over the edge.
And now you're reaching millions of people a day.
Your mother, I know, looking down from heaven, is very proud of you.
alex stein
Yeah, well, I appreciate that, and I just was a good friend of mine, Gavin McInnes, and I was on his show, and he actually said it, you know, not in jest.
He said, your mom dying was the best thing that ever happened to you.
Well, first of all, it was the worst thing.
I would trade all the, you know, the hits and clicks and followers and all the stuff I got for my mom in a second to have her back.
But I will say this.
It has made me a dangerous man because I have nothing to lose, and that is the most dangerous person.
alex jones
It pushed you over the edge.
alex stein
A hundred percent, Alex, and I have no choice but to fight back in this culture war.
dan friesen
Yeah, right.
So Stein's mom died of COVID-19 in October 2021.
The doctors didn't deny her care, but he's decided that because the hospital allegedly gave her remdesivir, they killed her.
His dad, Rhett, spoke to Dallas Magazine and said, quote, it traumatized him.
It totally broke him down, and he's reacting to that traumatization.
He's not the same person after that.
He says he is, but he's not the same guy right now.
This article by Jonathan Opping is fascinating.
I recommend people check it out if they want to dive into a very sad story about a desperate attention seeker and where some of that comes from.
Also, if you're friends with Gavin McGinnis in 2022, that speaks volumes about you, and you suck.
jordan holmes
If you're friends with Gavin McGinnis, you deserve to have Gavin McGinnis tell you that your mom dying is a good thing.
dan friesen
You get it.
jordan holmes
You earned it.
You deserve it.
dan friesen
I think that there are, you know, comedy friends.
Sometimes there's a lot of chop busting and stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I feel like that's a little much, maybe.
Your mom dying is the best thing that ever happened to you when it's been less than a year, particularly.
Like, that's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, the only time that's acceptable is...
At the funeral, because the added level of immediacy makes the funny part, you know, like, it's not supposed to happen here.
You know, that kind of thing.
But if you're, like, two days after, don't make that fucking joke to me.
dan friesen
And especially when the joke is that, like, because your mom died, you've created this attention trap.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Now you're a monster.
dan friesen
Yeah, where you're monetizing bothering people.
jordan holmes
You literally have a supervillain origin story.
dan friesen
Which is maybe not true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Look, this dude, he loves confrontation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And of course he does, because that is exciting content that he can post, and it'll get more attention.
Having a calm conversation with somebody, boring video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
People yelling at each other, fun.
That's the shit.
alex stein
I love confrontation.
That's my whole, I hate to use this word, brand, but I'm about to go to D.C. on the 13th, and I'm going to stay there.
I'm going on Tim Pool's show, and I'm going to be at Capitol Hill, and I'm going to go confront all these politicians.
I'm going to say, Elon Omar, you married your brother.
I'm going to say AOC, you're my favorite big booty Latina.
I'm going to get in all these politicians' face, because that's what I like to do, is I like confrontation.
dan friesen
It seems like maybe confrontation for him is just being racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, harassment?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Assault?
dan friesen
Sure.
But, I mean, hey, great booking job, Tim Pool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just feel like if you are somebody who loves confrontation...
And are, you know, he's like, I hate to use this word, but it's my brand.
You don't hate to use that word.
jordan holmes
No, you're literally branding.
That's what you're doing as you speak that word.
dan friesen
You're kind of a dick.
jordan holmes
You're telling people what your brand is as the branding.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And when your brand of confrontation is yelling, hey, Ilhan Omar, you married your brother.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And harassing, perhaps sexually harassing AOC.
jordan holmes
No, 100%.
Cat calling.
dan friesen
That's not meaningful confrontation.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
There is meaningful confrontation, like some of Michael Moore's early documentaries.
Sure.
That's a meaningful confrontation.
There's other examples, but harassing people in Congress about trivial nonsense and lies.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself, man.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, standing in front of tanks, that's good confrontation.
It's hard to beat that confrontation.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Frost Nixon.
jordan holmes
Not...
Here's what I would say.
If the dude in Tiananmen Square had instead been like, Hey, Tank, you got a fat ass!
And then ran away, that would not be meaningful confrontation.
dan friesen
And then made a couple thousand dollars off putting it on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, I put it on YouTube and was like, Look at how powerful I am!
I'm confrontation.
dan friesen
I tell truth to tanks.
jordan holmes
Totally, yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm doing it all for you because I want to protect freedoms.
jordan holmes
I am so important.
dan friesen
Right.
So, I regret to inform you, he's also a transphobe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's, yeah.
alex stein
So, we're doing a good job of exposing this, but these children, they cannot make this choice.
You know, having a trans child is like having a vegan cat.
It's the owner making that decision.
And that's the problem, is we have bad parents that are actually...
alex jones
Say that again.
Having a trans child is like having a vegan cat.
Man, that's genius.
dan friesen
It's not genius.
It's a transphobic meme that's been going around online for a long time.
jordan holmes
That wasn't off the dome.
dan friesen
No, that's not an original thought.
That is just delegitimizing trans existence.
jordan holmes
I would say, so far, we have not heard any original thoughts.
dan friesen
No, no.
Because I don't think there are many.
He's just an attention guy.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he looks at other people's ways of getting attention, and then he does those, and because he's already got an extra boost from the very early stuff, he gets to consolidate his fan base.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's an economy now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So we get a really insane caller.
jordan holmes
Okay, now I'm in.
dan friesen
So Stein is still there, and this guy calls in, and for the first...
Half of this call, I did not know what was going on, and then it gets real good.
So, Mike, down for this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
I think it's great Trump's getting back in.
I mean, we've got to cut him a little slack.
He rolled out the death shot.
He gave us ventilators, which had a 90% kill rate when we had lung infections, down to about a half a percent.
I mean, give him a little slack.
He flew on the Lolita Express.
I mean, just a couple little things.
We've got to just throw that out of our brain and just get ready for the rollercoaster ride.
Because he's coming back, and they're going to form the new Americans.
That's right.
They're going to herd all the patriots into Texas and Florida, and then they're going to have all the Nazis that infiltrate South America form up with the Texans, and that's it.
They're going to wipe out everybody.
alex jones
You're on fire.
You're on fire.
But if you can show me Trump flew in Alita Express, I will not support him ever.
I'm mad at him about the poison shot.
That you said is true.
The second thing you said, where's the proof?
Trump flew in Alita Express.
He's not on those phone logs.
He's not on those flight logs.
unidentified
He said six times, right?
He said six times.
Wasn't that confirmed?
alex jones
Excuse me?
unidentified
Wasn't that confirmed that he was on the island six times?
Not on the Alita Express, but he was on Epstein Island six times.
Wasn't that confirmed?
alex jones
Alex Stein, you see any proof of that?
alex stein
Well, supposedly there's some story that he wasn't on the actual Lolita Express, that he was on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein one time, supposedly.
But listen, it doesn't matter.
dan friesen
This caller, I don't know what was going on there.
I couldn't tell if he's fucking with them, or if he is excited about Trump.
It seems like it's impossible that it's a pro-Trump call.
Because he's saying the Nazis from South America will come up and join them in Texas.
He's saying, ah, we gotta give him some slack.
He was on the Lolita Express.
That doesn't seem like a sincere point to be making.
But then he doesn't seem insane because he's able to moderate and be like, yeah, six times.
He doesn't keep going with that manic energy.
It was performative in some way.
So that makes me think that it's someone fucking with Alex.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
But also, Trump absolutely was on those flight logs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
What is anybody talking about?
dan friesen
There's no way that Alex doesn't know that.
In Ghislaine Maxwell's trial, it came out that he'd actually flown on Epstein's jet at least six times more than had been previously known.
He's flown on Epstein's jet a bunch of times, so I guess Alex now needs to decide whether he's going to pretend that isn't real, or if he's going to make an excuse for it and pretend maybe it's not a big deal, or he's going to follow through and abandon Trump.
I'm going to guess he's going to go into pretend land.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with number one, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, what just amazing principle Alex Stein is showing there.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Who cares?
unidentified
Literally.
dan friesen
We make our entire brand this...
unidentified
Pedophile panic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
You call everybody pedophiles.
dan friesen
Trump was on a plane with the arch pedophile that we...
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Okay, fine.
So he was on a plane with a pedophile and knowing what we know about Trump and everybody who's gone to Epstein Island, well...
dan friesen
And comments Trump has made about Epstein in the past.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Come on, guys.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
The man said of Epstein, he likes him young.
Like, come on.
dan friesen
So Alex has had this whole show where he's very excited about Trump running in 2024.
And just because of this caller, things have hit a little bit of discomfort.
unidentified
No, did he get sent into a tailspin now because of this?
dan friesen
A little bit.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here!
dan friesen
But it's not like a really terrible tailspin.
First of all, because the show's almost over.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And second, because he can just fucking deny.
alex jones
I'm going to say this.
I study this.
Trump was never on the Lead Express, according to flight logs.
The Democrats have confused it, just like they say that Trump grabbed the wheel of the Secret Service limo, and it's not true.
Just like I have a black tongue, it's not true.
Or I talked to Trump on January 5th or 6th, not true.
Hadn't talked to Trump for over a year, whenever that went down.
All right, thank you, Matt.
dan friesen
Trump definitely was on those flight logs.
Not Democratic confusion, very well reported.
jordan holmes
No, it wasn't like Crump.
And then the sea was a little bit faded.
No, that's not how it worked.
dan friesen
It's just the actual flight logs and then reporting from the Miami Herald.
It's well known.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, and Ghislaine Maxwell.
dan friesen
And also, you know who else was on Tantamount or Nothing?
Bill Gates?
Sure, but also, you know who else?
unidentified
Who?
dan friesen
There's a list.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
dan friesen
But the one I was going to bring up for no reason at all.
jordan holmes
What reason?
dan friesen
Robert Kennedy Jr.
jordan holmes
No reason at all!
dan friesen
Robert Kennedy Jr.
Also, those flight logs.
And like I said, I bring this up for no reason.
alex stein
I was doing a charity event for Children's Health Defense, which is a charity Robert Kennedy runs, and it's an anti-vax charity, basically.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he was doing a performance for Robert Kennedy Jr. fundraiser for his anti-vax charity.
jordan holmes
Robert Kennedy Jr. was on the Lolita Express, and he is allowed to have a children's charity.
dan friesen
Well, it's saving the children from vaccines.
So I'm not actually sure how much is a children's charity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's for, like, anti-vax parents.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
To stop children from having to have vaccines.
jordan holmes
Just so long as nobody lets children near him.
unidentified
Please.
dan friesen
It would be good.
It would be good.
I think, from what I understand, I think he might have only been on the plane once.
But still...
jordan holmes
That's what I...
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, but still.
jordan holmes
Too many times!
dan friesen
Anyway, look.
jordan holmes
That's one of those things that's...
Oh, he only killed one guy.
Like, no!
dan friesen
One's too many.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, look.
unidentified
Trump was not on the fucking plane, alright?
dan friesen
Now listen to me.
July 4th is going to come and he's going to announce we're really excited about this.
jordan holmes
He's going to announce he was on that plane.
He's on that plane.
What a good announcement that's going to be.
I was on that plane.
dan friesen
He can't do that because he wasn't.
Except for one time.
But look, it's not a big deal.
alex jones
But let me answer the question of the last caller saying Trump flew on Alita Express, which means he flew to the island.
Nope, we have the flight logs.
They've all been checked on that airplane.
In 1997, they shared a flight.
From Newark into Palm Beach, and that's the only time they ever flew, was 25 years ago, Donald Trump on his plane to Palm Beach when he was invited on it.
And if I find Trump was on that island or any of this, he says he hasn't been, I'll be against Trump.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh, spaghetti-os.
dan friesen
Yeah, look a little bit deeper, because that is actually one of the flights that Trump took with Epstein's plane.
I was just trying to make that sound like it's a commercial flight, too.
He was on a plane with Epstein.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they were sitting in coach.
Epstein was in the middle seat.
dan friesen
Economy plus?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then Trump turned to him and was like, holy cow, I can't believe you're on this same flight.
Why are we both flying commercial right now?
dan friesen
I mean, it is interesting on some level that Alex is recognizing that there's one instance of this because that is an erosion of his previous point that he was making.
Yep.
unidentified
But yeah, look a little deeper, Alex.
dan friesen
See if you can find some of the very clear and obvious things that have been reported that you pretend aren't real.
Dumbass.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, Trump.
Going to announce on Monday.
jordan holmes
2024, baby!
dan friesen
You heard it here first.
Tomorrow's news today is also on KnowledgeFact.
jordan holmes
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
Tomorrow's tactical, flexible news is today.
That's what it is.
dan friesen
I mean, look, if he does end up announcing, whatever.
jordan holmes
It's still not news.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Man, I wonder.
I think it would be astounding if he did.
It would be amazing.
Not because Alex had a scoop.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But because of how chaotic that...
And like I said, just disrespectful.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't even care about deifying the country all that much.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But still.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, even if you take the country out of it, barbecuing.
jordan holmes
Grilling.
dan friesen
Totally.
Fireworks.
Don't make fireworks about yourself.
jordan holmes
Don't show up at a wedding wearing a better wedding dress.
dan friesen
Good way to put it.
Good way to put it.
So we come to the end of this, and we'll see on Monday what happens.
Also, Alex Stein sucks.
Don't pay him any attention.
Yeah, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back and on many things this evening.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I hope you all have a wonderful, dreamy, creamy summer.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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