#732: Trial Press Conference
Today, Dan and Jordan sit down to discuss the closing arguments in the Connecticut case, and then break down the disgraceful publicity stunt press conference Alex held on the steps outside the courthouse.
Oct. 7, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
01:06:33
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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Jordan! | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot, Jordan, is this button stuff is going along. | ||
| I have a prediction that I think it'll probably, every button will be out by the end of the year. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm giving myself that kind of a sort of window. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's really fun. | ||
| I mean, one of the things that's really nice is going through and... | ||
| You know, addressing the envelopes and stuff. | ||
| I see a lot of names that are, like, people from way back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and it's really nice to know that these people, like, a lot of people are still with us, and, you know, that's really exciting. | ||
| And then the other thing that makes this a bright spot is the second Wonka button is in the mail. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I can confirm that the second bright spot Willy Wonka button is somewhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'll say this. | ||
| As luck may have it, this is an international button. | ||
| This one is going out of the United States. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Yeah, so someone not in America. | ||
| Our Patriot fans are not going to like that. | ||
| Be looking out! | ||
| Look, as long as it didn't go to the Queen. | ||
| Well, the first one landed in the United States. | ||
| Sure, that's true. | ||
| Also, bad news, this one's going to the Queen. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| I knew it! | ||
| I knew she was going to ask for one. | ||
| And then she died. | ||
| Well, it's actually going to Queen Beatrix. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is... | ||
| I started watching this show called Welcome to Wrexham. | ||
| Apparently, Rob McElhaney from It's Always Sunny. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then Ryan Reynolds from Being a Dick in Movies bought a, like... | ||
| Zoo. | ||
| Second-tier... | ||
| Football club in Wrexham in Wales, which is like the oldest. | ||
| It's a really cool story about the backstory of the town, and it's got the oldest international stadium anywhere, and all this cool stuff. | ||
| And then they turned him into like the Mighty Ducks. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And that's really cool. | ||
| But then because Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhinney are rich as shit and they can get all these sponsorship deals, now they're in a league where they are getting a huge budget compared to everybody else. | ||
| So they're like the bad guys. | ||
| But at the same time, because of the way football works, they're in a lower league. | ||
| So what they're really trying to do is get out of that league to be the underdog in the higher league. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So they're still an underdog. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they're an overdog underdog kind of situation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Really cool because it talks about the town, which is more interesting. | ||
| Well, that's nice, but it also sounds like it has something of a theme of the corrupting influence of money. | ||
| That if you have too much resources, you can't even be the thing you want to be. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Which is the underdog. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're buying people from the upper league, but that's because it's difficult. | ||
| It's difficult. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they're trying their best, and there's all that fun stuff, but it's a really good documentary, and it's Mighty Duck's ass. | ||
| That sounds fun. | ||
| While you're on the subject of shows, Contraption Master I finished, and it's fantastic. | ||
| I watched a couple episodes. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So fun. | ||
| So silly. | ||
| Oh, there's nothing more satisfying. | ||
| I don't want to spoil the end for you, but it's amazing. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| It culminates quite well. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And then I've been needing another show because I've watched all of Survivor, so I need something to watch while I'm making the buttons and stuff. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And I sort of gravitate towards shows that are about people surviving, because, like, Survivor. | ||
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Well, yeah. | |
| And then I tried the Naked and Afraid, but as I told you, there are plenty naked. | ||
| Most of them aren't that afraid. | ||
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They're not. | |
| I'm not that afraid. | ||
| No, it kind of doesn't live up to the premise. | ||
| So I found a show recently called Alone, and they are straight up alone. | ||
| My partner loves Alone. | ||
| I'm into it. | ||
| I watched the first season, and I think it's great, because it's ten people. | ||
| They have to record themselves. | ||
| And in the first episode of the first season, one guy almost got eaten by a bear. | ||
| I was thinking, how would they stop that? | ||
| They couldn't. | ||
| No! | ||
| They had to evacuate somebody who was worried that there were, like, big cats around. | ||
| And they're like, well, we're about a three-hour drive away. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's a lot of time for a big cat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're, like, right there. | ||
| I've always thought, like, the survival shows often don't have enough survival aspects to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that kind of, this gives that, like, ooh, something bad could happen here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I appreciate. | ||
| And then the second thing is that... | ||
| There is no end date. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| They just are out there. | ||
| Whoever goes longest. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, they might as well have their hand on a car for a year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to spoil anything about it or anything, but in the first season... | ||
| The beginning of it is really survival-based, trying to find food and make fire, and then by the time it's down to four of them, they're all losing their minds. | ||
| They're all insane. | ||
| They're all insane. | ||
| It becomes boring to have to survive, because they've figured out, okay, I can get some food here, I have a tent. | ||
| One guy made a guitar and a boat. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Just so bored. | ||
| Just like, I have defeated existing, but now existing is impossible to do. | ||
| It becomes a conversation of like, what am I proving? | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| The one guy who came in second, because we watched the first season, the guy who came in second, and it was after like three or four months, and it was like you were just hearing him talk to a camera, and you feel like he's talking to you, and then you stop and you realize he hasn't spoken to another human being for months. | ||
| Well, and then the other guy, there's another guy who's just, like, quoting Edgar Allan Poe. | ||
| Yes, that guy was clearly nuts. | ||
| He's, like, from Georgia, kind of vaguely hillbilly-ish, kind of, or at least, you know, has a little bit of that vibe to him, and he's getting deeply philosophical. | ||
| Erudite hillbilly. | ||
| Hilly-billy sage, yes. | ||
| God, I like it. | ||
| I hope the other seasons, you know, don't fall off. | ||
| My big difference between Alone and Naked and Afraid... | ||
| I loved Alone because they keep building their shelters until it looks cool enough for me to live. | ||
| Well, they have months. | ||
| I know! | ||
| That one dude built a shelter and I was like, man, I kind of wish I was living there and not here. | ||
| Well, the guy who made a guitar and then lost his mind, before he decided to leave, he was like, I think I'm going to make a sauna next. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I bet you could. | ||
| I bet you could. | ||
| And also, you gotta go. | ||
| You gotta go, man. | ||
| I was talking to my friend Angela Lampsbury about this show, because I really enjoy it, and I didn't know how it worked. | ||
| The only complaint I have, here's the only complaint, and this goes to what we were talking about. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They should not tell the person who survives the longest that the second to last person has quit. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| They should see how long before. | ||
| I had that thought. | ||
| Everyone should have to tap out. | ||
| I had that thought. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I totally understand what you're saying. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because I would love it if someone's just out there for like six extra months. | ||
| They win $500,000. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That's a lot of money. | ||
| That's six months worth of work. | ||
| Let them stay out there. | ||
| See how long. | ||
| What is that hourly? | ||
| 500 grand for six months? | ||
| They had no. | ||
| No ability to gauge how long other people have stayed. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Because, like, one guy who was the third to quit was like, I'm definitely first. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| And, like, you'd just be like, okay, it's been four months, but I bet there's a couple people still out there. | ||
| Meanwhile, two months ago, everyone's gone. | ||
| Well, it is... | ||
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That would be great! | |
| It is a sort of prisoner's dilemma aspect, too, because you have to be in your head like, well, I'm a great survivor, obviously, because I'm four months into this. | ||
| But this is a TV show, man. | ||
| There's gotta be nine other great survivors on this show. | ||
| They could be here for a year. | ||
| And if you know that they're gonna come and tell you when you've won, then that takes away that mental fucking with your head. | ||
| Like, maybe I've won. | ||
| Maybe I can quit and I have won. | ||
| It should be a surprise if you win because you're alone. | ||
| Anyway, I'm gonna watch more of that show while I make buttons. | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and what I thought we might do is talk a little bit about the trial, of course, and then I want to discuss Alex's press conference that he gave on the steps of the courthouse. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I think that there's points that I want to make, and this is something I think probably merits focus. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we'll get to that in just a moment. | ||
| But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, basket of muffins. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Bach. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Colin from Ohio. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And room temperature sous vide bacon. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| I bumped that one up to the front because it's so important that people know about don't cook your bacon fast. | ||
| If it's that relevant, you're going to get pushed up. | ||
| And if it's such an important social message. | ||
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It's a health. | |
| It's a PSA. | ||
| It's really important. | ||
| We've got a couple technocrats in the mix here, Jordan. | ||
| So first, feral, sweaty nerd. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Ted Cruz is a spineless sack of jelly. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken over here! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He's bad. | ||
| Bummer. | ||
| He sucks. | ||
| That sounds right, though. | ||
| So we're recording this on Thursday evening. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We saw closing arguments today. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so when this comes out, it'll be Friday. | ||
| And as you're listening to this, there may be a verdict in. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Or tomorrow, who knows how long the jury will deliberate on this. | ||
| Could be till next week. | ||
| But I think that the course of the content of this trial and the testimony that we heard was tough. | ||
| Earth-shattering? | ||
| The stuff that you hear about Alex, whether it be the business practices or the... | ||
| I think that guy from the Super Bowl, the Matt Miller guy, that was a... | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| The biggest thing in the world, but it's crippling to Alex's argument. | ||
| A lot of that stuff is there, and then to the side of that, all of the humanizing and the fleshing out of the people's experiences, the sort of discussion of their loved ones. | ||
| Tough. | ||
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Tough. | |
| Tough to... | ||
| To wrestle with. | ||
| Yeah, it is very much like, I feel like everybody who wanted their say got their say. | ||
| And they got to tell their story, and their story was very, very, very intense. | ||
| Emotionally affecting, powerful, and the way that they have all turned their lives into something that is... | ||
| I mean, just incredible. | ||
| It's something that's stronger than I think I could ever accomplish. | ||
| It is that kind of thing. | ||
| And God willing, you'll never have to find out. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Words almost fail me in terms of the process of this last bit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And so we reach the end of the trial and the testimony, and the closing arguments end up with the plaintiff's lawyers laying out really concise argument about what they have discussed. | ||
| There's the appeal to the emotions of the case, respect for that, but also the cause and effect of Alex's behavior and the grief that was caused to these people. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Norm Pettis, for the defense, decides he's going to play a 20-minute video of Alex from his own show. | ||
| And I thought that was strange. | ||
| I mean, I watched the video and was focused on it because for some reason I thought there must be some sort of content reason that he would play this video. | ||
| And when you watch it, you're like... | ||
| I think he just didn't want to do 20 minutes of his closing argument. | ||
| I think it was Alex said, play this or you're fired. | ||
| Yeah, that could be. | ||
| That's my guess. | ||
| That could definitely be the case. | ||
| So look, I understand that the whole argument that Alex and Norm have wanted to make this whole time is that the videos the plaintiffs are showing have been taken out of context, and to understand what they're playing and what Alex says, you need to watch the whole videos. | ||
| So now, in the closing statement, that's when Norm has this ability to do that. | ||
| But this is kind of bullshit, because the exact same argument, Yep. | ||
| outbursts that are the result of some other stimulus. | ||
| So in order to understand the whole show, you kind of need to watch the day before. | ||
| You know, the jury's got to see the day before show in order to put this in context. | ||
| You can see how this argument spirals out of hand easily because it's meaningless. | ||
| Alex defends himself by saying that things are out of context and you need to see the whole clip because he wants to be able to set the arbitrary parameter for what you need to see in order to be qualified to judge him. | ||
| And not just that, but what Norm did In his closing argument, I felt like was essentially flout every rule that had been made so far up to that point. | ||
| The video had like five claims that you could not make in that courtroom. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| And Norm had at least six or seven out-and-out lies that I know he knows aren't true. | ||
| Like, physically speaking, in the world we inhabit, I know Norm Pattis knows that this is not true. | ||
| And he's saying it in front of a fucking judge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So I don't think the video did as much to help Alex's case as he might have thought it would. | ||
| Beyond sounding completely insane, rambling about how Megyn Kelly totally wanted to fuck him and he could prove it if he was recording at the right time, beyond that, Alex also touches on a number of fucked up claims. | ||
| One, he says that it's proven that the WikiLeaks releases couldn't have been hacked and were the result of someone on site downloading the files. | ||
| This is part of his Seth Rich conspiracies, and it's based on comments made by his buddy William Binney. | ||
| It was shown to Benny that he was totally wrong and that the documents could have easily been downloaded remotely, and Benny recanted his claim. | ||
| But Alex has never corrected himself or updated his talking points. | ||
| So just off the bat, in this closing statement, Alex is reaffirming his belief that Hillary Clinton had Seth Rich killed for releasing the WikiLeaks, which Seth Rich's family has successfully sued people for claiming. | ||
| I was gonna say, yeah, in court, he did a thing that gets people put in court. | ||
| Two, Alex repeats completely false conspiracy claims about Hillary selling uranium to Russia. | ||
| Three, forgive my language, but Alex calls Sandy Hook a tar baby and repeats conspiracies about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Yeah, he said that. | ||
| They played a video where he said that, and they were like, that's gonna do it. | ||
| Four, Alex demonstrably lies about what he said about Sandy Hook. | ||
| He directly contradicts videos that have already been shown in court. | ||
| If this video shows anything, it's that Alex is a completely untrustworthy source, particularly about his own actions. | ||
| Five, Alex claims that the Syrian gas attacks are false flags. | ||
| Six, In this clip, Alex says that he got a cease and desist slash retraction request about Sandy Hook that gave him a month to act, and he didn't because he felt like he hadn't done anything wrong. | ||
| That's in the video that they played. | ||
| Yeah, it was insane. | ||
| I think that Alex severely overestimates his own ability to make a point. | ||
| He's playing this video because the underlying point he's trying to make is that he's totally cool, did nothing wrong, and the media is attacking him about Sandy Hook because he exposes things that the media doesn't want the public to know. | ||
| Like how Assad is super cool. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The thing is, though, that he makes no sense. | ||
| Alex thinks that if people could just see him lay out his defense, then they would get it and it would be game over for the plaintiffs. | ||
| But this video is uncompelling to anyone who doesn't already believe Alex's shit. | ||
| It's particularly useless to show people who have already seen evidence that the things he's saying in this video are bullshit, as the jury already has. | ||
| I get the impulse on Alex's part, I think. | ||
| But in this setting, it actually kind of makes his image look much worse. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I think it's the wet cement problem. | ||
| If he had gotten to play that video right away, first day... | ||
| Color the jury's perceptions with that video at least a little bit. | ||
| You know, maybe that does something. | ||
| But because the cement is dry as fuck, his video bounces off of it and you can see every fucking problem. | ||
| I'm not sure if that would fully work in this setting, but that dynamic is very much real. | ||
| Yeah, you show this video in advance and then maybe you'll have a kernel of doubt whenever you hear him say these people are actors. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because you've already had this pre-framing that everything's out of context. | ||
| That's what he does. | ||
| He pre-frames events that you don't know the complete details about. | ||
| So he's trying to do the exact same thing here. | ||
| The only problem is he's not allowed to talk by himself. | ||
| So you have to play this troubling clip full of bullshit. | ||
| So Alex is used to facing no consequences, being surrounded by losers on his payroll who know they're unemployable anywhere else, interviewing con artists who are financially and professionally invested in maintaining the illusion that Alex is right, and being able to hang up on or bully any callers who disagree with him in any meaningful way. | ||
| He's used to his explanations for things working because the people he's explaining things to are already in his camp. | ||
| To uninitiated ears or to people who've seen evidence to the contrary, this video just seems insane. | ||
| He's a crazy person! | ||
| What would have been useful for Norm to do would be to take the clips of Alex saying that Sandy Hook was fake with actors that were played in court and then show the full video that the clip came from which would then reveal that the original clip was taken out of context and Alex was actually just asking questions or playing devil's advocate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He absolutely can't do that though because those clips aren't out of context. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| All Norm can do is insinuate that the larger context completely absolves Alex but it's bullshit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Norm's other argument seemed to be that Alex's actions were driven by a fear that the government was going to take the guns, not by a desire to endanger grieving parents for money. | ||
| But the reality is that Alex endangered grieving parents in order to push his narrative surrounding the fears about the government taking guns, which is something he embellishes, exaggerates, and sensationalizes in order to make money. | ||
| It's not one thing or the other, as Norm is pretending. | ||
| It's all part of a dynamic system that Alex uses. | ||
| Norm understands this. | ||
| He's been a guest on Alex's show numerous times, and if you watch this, you kind of get the sense that Norm doesn't believe a goddamn word he's saying. | ||
| It's just that there's no other real way to argue this, and the bravado that he had about the families exaggerating their grief in his opening statement probably... | ||
| That sort of cockiness isn't going to play too well with a jury after days of hearing from said family members about the pain they've endured. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He tried to bring that exaggeration point back up, but you heard how much more apologetic and careful he was about it, as opposed to the sort of cocky swinging dick he had in the opening. | ||
| He was trying. | ||
| Norm was desperate to try and make this political in his closing, trying to shoehorn in references to Trump and getting shut down with objections along the way. | ||
| He also tried to make a mockery of the idea that the plaintiffs who testified and said that they didn't know what Alex's positions on guns were. | ||
| They didn't know what his position was. | ||
| He tried to mock them. | ||
| I want to touch on this for a second. | ||
| When you live by the sword, it's not a certainty that you're going to die by the sword, but if you do, you have an obligation to accept your death by the sword. | ||
| Alex's most consistent defense of himself is that he's being taken out of context and that you can't understand what he's saying from short clips. | ||
| I think this is bullshit, but it's the foundation of Norm's defense and their position, so he has to accept this. | ||
| It's all good fun for him when he wants to claim that Alex mocking Robbie Parker was out of context, but it's so weird how he doesn't realize that this cuts both ways. | ||
| He can show the jury a clip of Alex saying they're coming for our guns or they're staging shootings to take our guns, and if he's being intellectually consistent, he should know that the jury can't possibly know what Alex's position on guns is without watching the whole video. | ||
| In essence, Norm's underlying defense strategy precludes him from being able to expect that he's able to prove anything. | ||
| This is also a corollary of one of Alex's other defenses. | ||
| When he's accused of anything and then shown video of him doing or saying the thing he's accused of, he'll say it's out of context or it's satire. | ||
| If that is what Alex is saying, and if the entirety of his on-air career isn't allowed to be shown in his custody hearing because he's putting on a performance, Then why should the plaintiffs in this case take him at his word when he says something on air? | ||
| He could lay out his entire philosophy on guns succinctly on his show, and the plaintiffs would have every right to say that while he did say things on air, they have no way of knowing what Alex's sincere positions are. | ||
| Alex gets a lot of mileage out of people knowing he's a fraud and a liar, where he can wiggle out of trouble by disowning the things he says on air as being theatrical or satire. | ||
| But the other side of this is this. | ||
| If you want Norm to insist that the Sandy Hook families are suing him because of their opposition to his position on guns you have no right to claim that they even know what those positions are. | ||
| This is called being hoisted on your own petard. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| This is, you know, oh, you can't understand what I'm saying on air. | ||
| You can't expect that you get to use the opposite for your own purposes. | ||
| It's just sad. | ||
| It was a very bad closing statement. | ||
| Disgraceful all around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And fuck Norm. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The moment where Norm... | ||
| I mean, I really thought that Norm should have been tackled by law. | ||
| Like, the idea of law should have tackled Norm. | ||
| Because the moment he was like... | ||
| Bull from Night Court would have tackled him. | ||
| I mean, he should have! | ||
| Because he was playing the video, and then Norm said he was trying to insinuate the thing that he's been trying to insinuate the entire fucking time, and everyone has stopped him, and they still let him do it, and then the objection was sustained. | ||
| But it doesn't fucking matter, because again, he got to say, why did they come with this... | ||
| With this lawsuit, it's because of the guy who said, good job, Alex, right? | ||
| Because he can't say it's Trump. | ||
| He can't say they're coming after Trump, but he can play a video where Alex references Trump and then references that maybe he was referencing Trump. | ||
| But pronouns still refer to a thing. | ||
| No, true, true. | ||
| And I think that was painfully obvious. | ||
| And I don't think the jury's dumb. | ||
| I think that they get that too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To the extent that they have any awareness of why it's inappropriate, this behavior, I think that they can understand, like, this guy's trying to do something he's not allowed to do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I have faith that they'll suss that out. | ||
| I don't think it's too hard after, like, eventually... | ||
| No matter what, you're like, oh, this kid is trying to break into the cookie jar. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And then, dude, the ending with the attorney prayer or whatever the fuck. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| That was rough. | ||
| What the fuck was that? | ||
| That was embarrassing. | ||
| No one's corroborated that that's an attorney's prayer? | ||
| Has anybody said that attorneys pray like that? | ||
| Has any attorney ever prayed like that? | ||
| I could see it being, like, on a placemat or something. | ||
| At a Denny's, you have to scramble it. | ||
| Your lawyer grandma gets it for you. | ||
| Circle these words of the prayer. | ||
| That was tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, Norm might have protested a little too much about how proud he is to be there. | ||
| He kept saying, like, I'm exactly where I want to be. | ||
| I'm so proud to be. | ||
| It felt a little bit like somebody talking themselves up of, like, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm not ashamed to be here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was a little bit like a shirtless naked man walking into Congress being like, oh, I'm so Mr. Smith. | ||
| I am going to fucking filibuster this shit, and everyone's going to be like, look at this genius. | ||
| I think we... | ||
| We are foolish for expecting more from a guy who drops his pants and says the N-word. | ||
| Of course we are. | ||
| Of course we are. | ||
| So, look, Norm's behavior throughout the entirety of this proceeding has been shameful. | ||
| I hope he enjoys being second banana on Infowars to Barnes as a lawyer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I don't know really what... | ||
| I find it difficult to imagine he'll... | ||
| Have too much cash in. | ||
| Boy, I wouldn't hire him. | ||
| It's just been bad. | ||
| But I think that there's something else that is worse. | ||
| And that is Alex's behavior. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| So he went to Connecticut a little bit back. | ||
| Testified. | ||
| Had a little bit of a meltdown. | ||
| Had to get away from the jury. | ||
| Went back to Austin to do his bullshit with Barnes. | ||
| Say that Sandy Hook is fake again. | ||
| Flew back to Connecticut. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then the idea was that Norm was going to call him as a witness for the defense. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The only witness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so this game was being played. | ||
| And Alex came back, and now that both sides have rested, the closing arguments have been made, we know that he did not testify. | ||
| Like brave Sir Robin, he ran away. | ||
| He went to Connecticut for... | ||
| Ostensibly no reason. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Except, well, promotion. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| He went to get publicity. | ||
| He went to get attention. | ||
| And it is my firm contention that he never even considered testifying again. | ||
| Yeah, I would believe that. | ||
| He went specifically to get as much attention as he could. | ||
| With the pretense that maybe I'll testify or maybe I won't. | ||
| Yeah, he went there because he knew he was going to get that press conference right outside the court because he always gets it because everybody who works in the media is fucking stupid. | ||
| But that's just me. | ||
| And we're going to talk here a little bit about this press conference because I found it to be... | ||
| Great. | ||
| The best? | ||
| I would say the opposite of that. | ||
| Respectful? | ||
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No. | |
| Loving? | ||
| No, none of these things. | ||
| None of those things? | ||
| So here's where we start off. | ||
| And I should give you a little bit of a sort of tableau. | ||
| Alex and Barnes. | ||
| Are standing behind some cameras. | ||
| Now, a little bit later... | ||
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Barnes is there? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Did Alex pay for Barnes to fly out? | ||
| Did he just get on the jet? | ||
| Did he stow away? | ||
| Well, we'll actually find out why Barnes is there a little bit later, and it's very sad. | ||
| But, a little bit later, Alex is talking to some people and fielding questions, and he's holding up a copy of his book. | ||
| So, obviously, this is all this... | ||
| Getting your product on the news. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And this is the game that's being played. | ||
| But yeah, he's standing there with Barnes. | ||
| I really appreciate all of you for being here today. | ||
| I would have said, fuck you at that point? | ||
| Constitutional First Amendment and criminal lawyer who also worked on this case for several years. | ||
| He can give you documented evidence that we gave them all the discovery so they didn't have a case. | ||
| So they were forced to default us because I'm this villain that deserves to be found guilty by this kangaroo court. | ||
| So yeah, Barnes was working on the case. | ||
| If you have heard the deposition episodes, then you'll know this. | ||
| But just to revisit this, this is Brittany Paws testifying under oath that they're considering suing Barnes. | ||
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I went over this a little bit with Mr. Schroyer and his deposition, and I'll ask you the same thing, based on the information that you just testified to. | |
| Has the company decided one way or another on legal malpractice as a potential asset? | ||
| We have not made any final decisions on legal malpractice yet. | ||
| As to whether to file or who to file against, we've not made any final decisions on that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Has it been discussed or is it going to be discussed? | ||
| It's being discussed. | ||
| So they're considering suing their previous lawyers for malpractice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just to be totally clear, they also discuss which lawyers there was a problem with. | ||
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Okay, so Brad Reeves, Mr. Andaza, I'll just go, Mr. Enoch? | |
| I'm not sure about Mr. Enoch. | ||
| I think he's done a pretty decent job. | ||
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T. Wade Jeffries. | |
| I'm sorry, I don't know much about him. | ||
| I don't have an opinion about him. | ||
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Burnett? | |
| Michael Burnett. | ||
| I don't have an opinion about him either. | ||
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Yeah, Bob Barnes. | |
| Barnes. | ||
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You did have an issue with him. | |
| Bobby Barnes! | ||
| You can tell that's a heavy Barnes. | ||
| Barnes. | ||
| And then an exhale. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got some issues with Barnes. | ||
| That's a personal exhale. | ||
| That is a woman who has talked to Barnes and went, I do not like you, sir. | ||
| Well, or, conversely, someone who is a lawyer and has looked at what happened and is like, this is exasperating. | ||
| I can't get into any of this, but I have an issue with Barnes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So yeah, good guy to explain how you did this case by the book. | ||
| Good guy to bring with you for your dumb publicity stunt in front of the courthouse. | ||
| And I think that's another thing we really need to keep in mind. | ||
| The people in the courthouse are having their day in court. | ||
| They're doing something incredibly difficult. | ||
| They're being disrespected by Norm routinely. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And this is what Alex is doing while that's going on. | ||
| This is the way that he operates. | ||
| I need this to be hammered into the head of every journalist alive, like with a fucking hammer. | ||
| When you give Alex that press conference outside of the court... | ||
| There's two things you're showing. | ||
| You're showing the difference between what you're allowed to do inside the court. | ||
| A wall separates being allowed to lie to the entire world and being allowed to fucking lie to a judge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then second... | ||
| If you are giving him that press conference, or if you're the editor forcing somebody to go give him that press conference, who are you doing this for? | ||
| You're not helping the families at all. | ||
| You're not helping your listeners at all. | ||
| You're not helping anybody but Alex and, I guess, the corporation you fucking work for. | ||
| So those are the people that you care about. | ||
| If that's what you're going to do, those are the people you care about. | ||
| Give up any other fucking argument. | ||
| I'm going to give them a little bit less of a hard time because some of them are probably on the beat. | ||
| I know, and you're a better person than I am. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One thing that sticks out to me, though, about what you're saying is it does highlight the difference between what you can say in court and what you can say just outside on the steps. | ||
| And I think that that imbalance should be shown to Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's your First Amendment, right? | ||
| And that's kind of why I think... | ||
| You know, I get a little uncomfortable with your instinct to bark at people and, you know, whatever. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But that is why someone like you should actually have to be there for all the press conferences. | ||
| I should! | ||
| Just to be like, okay, you know what? | ||
| In the courtroom, people will ask you polite questions. | ||
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Totally. | |
| I'm going to scream in your face. | ||
| I'm going to be a piece of shit. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Because nobody else will be, and he's going to be. | ||
| Yeah, this is the... | ||
| You want to only exist in the wilderness of these steps? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Then I will be a bear. | ||
| I mean, and it's fucking disgusting. | ||
| Because the bailiff will come and stop me from interrupting him. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| Protect him at all costs. | ||
| Please make sure that he's okay and nobody's mean to him. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| The only difference, I suppose, is that, like... | ||
| You have the awareness that you yelling at him is disrespectful to the court itself as well, and disrespectful to what the families and all of them are doing. | ||
| And I think that's another thing that Alex weaponizes, that people of good heart and good conscience wouldn't want to make a scene and treat him the way he deserves to be treated on the steps. | ||
| Not like fight him or assault him or anything, but yell at him. | ||
| This is why I do need to be there, is because I was in, if you recall, I went to the fucking Louvre. | ||
| And there was a kid who stepped over. | ||
| A kid, French. | ||
| Not my child, obviously. | ||
| Parents nowhere to be found. | ||
| And the kid was like taking picture and was getting too close. | ||
| And I was like, hey, kid, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Real loud. | ||
| And everybody was like, good call. | ||
| That kid needs to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| So that's what I'm here for. | ||
| That's my job. | ||
| Tremel. | ||
| So we go back to the press conference. | ||
| Justice itself is on trial. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| This is a buzzword, I guess. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| This is American justice on trial. | ||
| Even the worst people in the world, which I'm not, but even if I'm a bad person, as some say, I deserve my day in court. | ||
| Even the local newspaper admits, I'm not allowed to defend myself. | ||
| It's not Alex Jones saying this, it's the Hartford Courant, an article published yesterday. | ||
| Alex Jones said to testify in Santa Hook defamation trial this week. | ||
| Here's what we know. | ||
| It says he's prohibited from defending himself. | ||
| They've had three weeks of people up there lying about me, twisting what I said, and basically have a memorial for dead children I didn't kill. | ||
| This article in The Current doesn't say this. | ||
| It says, quote, Jones and his company, Free Speech Systems, have been prohibited from defending themselves under the default, but can try to minimize what they have to pay in compensatory and punitive damages. | ||
| Alex can't defend himself under the default. | ||
| That's an important distinction, because that ship has sailed. | ||
| He had every opportunity to defend himself when that was appropriate, but he didn't, and he was so abusive of the process that he was defaulted. | ||
| He can't now take this damages hearing as an opportunity to try and undo the default, or to carry out the case as if he hadn't been defaulted. | ||
| He fucked himself over, and this is a consequence of that. | ||
| He has every ability to defend himself in the context of this damages hearing which is the second part of the sentence in that current article that he's ignoring. | ||
| He can try to minimize the damages. | ||
| That's the damages hearing equivalent of defending himself. | ||
| Point being, Alex is a fucking baby and Barnes is tagging along to Connecticut with him because Barnes is... | ||
| He just loves a public spectacle. | ||
| And he doesn't have a problem being a disrespectful shithead if it gets him attention. | ||
| And, you know, maybe drives a couple more people into his revenue streams, like on that Patreon clone for unhinged assholes. | ||
| Man, I mean, the fucking psychopathy of doing that. | ||
| You know, like, that's not... | ||
| I wouldn't... | ||
| I mean, I guess... | ||
| Separated from humanity. | ||
| You know, you're in a studio. | ||
| It's just you and Alex. | ||
| It's easier to step into the world where you can be a piece of shit. | ||
| To be a psycho enough to go and stand on the steps and watch Alex do that shit. | ||
| That's fucking insane. | ||
| And to take all the steps that are required to get you there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You have to plan. | ||
| You have to do the whole thing. | ||
| Pack a bag. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You have to get lodging. | ||
| You have to stand in security. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Knowing that what you're doing is just traveling to another city to disrespect fucking people that you have hurt. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's what you're doing. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also want to point out that later, he is just holding up a copy of his book. | ||
| This is a publicity stunt for Alex, pure and simple. | ||
| That's why he went to Connecticut. | ||
| He had no intention of ever testifying, but since the bankruptcy court has taken over his business's finances, I bet he had to pretend that he was going to testify in order to rationalize the expense of his travel. | ||
| It would probably not fly as a bank. | ||
| business expense for a company in bankruptcy to say, hey, I want to go across the country with my shithead lawyer friend so I can promote my book on the steps of the courthouse where I'm avoiding testifying because I'm scared. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not going to be an expense for you. | ||
| You're going to fly business class. | ||
| Yeah, I've got to charter a plane so I can try and get some attention. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out at you. | ||
| How do you feel about an aisle seat? | ||
| Alex is a tremendous piece of shit, and this press conference is a new level of inexcusable act on his part. | ||
| He could have stayed the fuck in Texas. | ||
| There was no need for him to go to Connecticut just so he could siphon off some of the attention from this trial in order to grandstand in front of the court with Barnes to try and promote his stupid book. | ||
| It's honestly difficult to think of a way he could have been more disrespectful to the families inside just trying to get their day in court. | ||
| It's one thing for him to be afraid to sincerely face them and accept responsibility for his part in everything that's happened. | ||
| It's entirely another thing to do this. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I have a lot of words for him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Part of me, I can't blame Alex for this. | ||
| True. | ||
| He's disgusting. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| I wouldn't want to go back in that courtroom either. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You're going to do the worst thing for your defense. | ||
| If cowardice is a given, then yes, I don't blame him. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The problem I have is when we talk about enablers, we do not often talk about ourselves. | ||
| You and me? | ||
| No, not us, obviously. | ||
| If he ever mentioned our name, maybe we could talk about us being enablers. | ||
| You guys hear of knowledge first. | ||
| It does feel like everyone is in an attempt to keep us from doing that. | ||
| But who's enabling him? | ||
| Who is enabling him to do that? | ||
| He's not going out there thinking that he's not going to get a press conference. | ||
| There are people enabling him who are making money off of letting Alex make money off of abusing these people. | ||
| And I don't find it acceptable behavior. | ||
| I don't find it super acceptable either, but I honestly don't understand another way it would go without a gag order. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I don't think that anybody is making... | ||
| Super wrong choices given the circumstance. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I think that local news, it makes sense that they would be there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex is giving a statement. | ||
| It makes sense to document it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is different to me than somebody like Alex Lee Moyer making a documentary. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| There's a series of decisions that don't need to be made that led to that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas Alex speaking out in front of the court and people recording it, I hate that it's happening. | ||
| I hate that this is something that happened. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, I'm not arguing for the world that we currently exist in that they should be somehow punished for behavior that's terrible. | ||
| What I'm arguing is that... | ||
| The current world that we exist in is not capable of handling this in any responsible way. | ||
| That may be fair. | ||
| And it is only exacerbating it as time goes on. | ||
| So, I mean, my argument is all of society is bad for us. | ||
| Well, you heard it here first. | ||
| So, Alex has some thoughts about the judge. | ||
| This is not a trial. | ||
| I came here to testify two weeks ago. | ||
| I came here this time to testify. | ||
| And the judge today said that she will hold me in criminal contempt if I say I'm innocent, if I say I'm bankrupt, if I say I wasn't the first person to question Sandy Hook, and over ten other things. | ||
| No judge in U.S. history has ever told somebody what they can and can't say. | ||
| That doesn't sound true at all. | ||
| When they ask me questions, or I'll be arrested if I tell the truth. | ||
| This is outrageous, and you're all having your freedoms stolen. | ||
| Alex would be held in contempt because if he did any of that stuff, he'd be acting in ways that are contemptuous to the court. | ||
| He's not allowed to try and re-litigate his default in this setting because to do so would run a very high risk of poisoning the jury. | ||
| The jury isn't there to determine Alex's culpability. | ||
| That's been decided. | ||
| So for him to rant about this irrelevant nonsense is an act of contempt to the court. | ||
| Judges very regularly hold people in contempt, and if you don't stop yelling about things that aren't germane to the matter at hand... | ||
| You will be held in contempt. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| Alex just doesn't want to accept that he's a petulant child who can't allow for there being rules that he's subject to, so he's trying to turn it into a constitutional issue. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's all bullshit, but thankfully he has Barnes there to make it look legit. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of what I was watching during that closing argument, whenever they played the clip, is that, like... | ||
| He would have been held in criminal contempt if he had said those things. | ||
| So why in God's name are you allowing him to say those things through a video? | ||
| He should still be held in criminal contempt for that. | ||
| And Norm should be as well! | ||
| Or some of the... | ||
| I... | ||
| I don't know how courts work fully. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| I would have probably stopped that video. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| He said the stuff that we said he can't say. | ||
| If he was here, he would be going to jail. | ||
| Maybe there's a different way that things work in terms of the closing statements and opening statements since they're not evidentiary. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| But still, bad. | ||
| Don't ask me. | ||
| But also, Alex wouldn't be perjuring himself if he told the truth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He wouldn't have to perjure himself to answer any of those questions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He would have to perjure what he believes of himself. | ||
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| He'd have to encroach upon his self-perceptions. | ||
| And that is something that he is too afraid to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it is a moment for Alex that is change or die. | ||
| And he can't change. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But he's probably not going to die either. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I meant metaphorically. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So you asked why Barnes is there. | ||
| I am interested. | ||
| He has a new position at InfoWars. | ||
| Oh my god, no. | ||
| Robert Barnes is my spokesperson. | ||
| We'll be able to give a statement here and we'll both take your questions. | ||
| Robert Barnes. | ||
| This is a case. | ||
| So this raises the issue of whether or not Barnes is an official spokesperson. | ||
| Is he on the payroll again now? | ||
| And if so, is this just a way for Alex to try to rationalize to the bankruptcy court to pay for Barnes to travel to Connecticut for their stupid publicity stunt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say it's a question worth asking. | ||
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| Man, they're just... | ||
| I mean, it should be harder to be sneaky. | ||
| It should be harder to trick a bankruptcy court. | ||
| Well, I would suggest that this is evidence that it is very hard to be sneaky. | ||
| Because this is not very sneaky. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| I think we're talking about this from different directions. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's not difficult to do the thing. | ||
| Well, I think that if there was anybody but Alex who determined whether or not he testified... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then I'd be like, well, you know, maybe he went there expecting that he might testify and then he just didn't. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because, you know, that can happen. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But in this case, it's all Alex. | ||
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Well... | |
| He made the decision and I guarantee he made it before he left Austin. | ||
| Well, I can say that of all of the corporate representatives who have been asked the question of... | ||
| Can anyone tell Alex what to do? | ||
| Not one of them has said anything other than, nope, nope, absolutely not. | ||
| Nobody can tell Alex what to do. | ||
| He makes all of his decisions completely by himself. | ||
| Corporate representatives, employees, past employees, yes. | ||
| One thing is very consistent. | ||
| Alex just does whatever the fuck he wants to do. | ||
| So look, it's bad times if Alex testifies. | ||
| Because he's gonna get locked up. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Everybody knows you're supposed to get your day in court. | ||
| Yet the one person who is being denied any day in court is Alex Jones. | ||
| Been in court for a month and he was already in there once. | ||
| That if he testifies honestly, if he testifies truthfully, he goes to jail. | ||
| But if he answers the questions in the way the plaintiff's lawyers want, then he could also go to jail. | ||
| No matter what he does, he goes to jail if he testifies in his own behalf, in his own defense. | ||
| How? | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| No, he'll go to jail. | ||
| I understand they have this fantasy about him being locked up for six months for criminal contempt if he... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But, like, okay, let's imagine a scenario where they ask, like, did you say that the Sandy Hook families were actors? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How's that gonna bring him to jail? | ||
| It's not. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Barnes, come on, man. | ||
| If Alex lies in court enough... | ||
| Sooner or later, someone will do something to stop him. | ||
| And if whatever it is that it takes eventually winds up being prison, it's going to be a long way away. | ||
| But also, look at the other scenario that he's painting. | ||
| Let's imagine a world where they ask him all these questions that are like, did you do this? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did you do this? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He answers every question in a way that is advantageous to the plaintiff's attorneys. | ||
| How does he go to jail? | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| This is a civil trial. | ||
| No, what'll happen is the walls will suddenly fall down. | ||
| We'll realize that we're all already in jail. | ||
| Oh, prison plan. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| See, that's the twist. | ||
| Right, Alex says, I did it, and then blast doors. | ||
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Boom! | |
| And he's helicoptered away. | ||
| He and Norm pull out a knife. | ||
| They have to fight their way out. | ||
| Smoke bomb. | ||
| So ridiculous. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| So anyway, as we know from listening to Alex's show, Barnes has his own little pet conspiracy about Sandy Hook. | ||
| The story they told about Sandy Hook was not true in the sense that they blamed gun owners and blamed Alex Jones for what happened when the reality is that school safety was not up to snuff at Sandy Hook. | ||
| Democratic politicians decided to pocket money meant to protect little kids' lives, and little kids died who didn't need to die because politicians lied. | ||
| That's the real truth of Sandy Hook. | ||
| But they can't have any of that truth come out. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Hey, Barnes, I know a school safety officer you should talk to. | ||
| He used to be a frequent guest on Alex's show. | ||
| Wolfgang Halbig. | ||
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| You sound like him, buddy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This isn't good. | ||
| I mean, I... | ||
| And... | ||
| Need to keep clarifying this. | ||
| This is said on the steps of the courthouse. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| I'm writing up law stuff. | ||
| If I hear him say that outside of a courtroom, I'm like, law stuff needs to happen to stop this. | ||
| It's outrageous. | ||
| I don't know what law stuff needs to happen, but I know it does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Words fail. | ||
| You know, we talked about this in the days coming up to the trial. | ||
| That kind of idea of like, if he gets a judgment, what is going to make him stop? | ||
| And if Barnes is outside of the courthouse days before they go to deliberation... | ||
| Making vague insinuations about... | ||
| That Sandy Hook was a... | ||
| No, I mean, that's not quite what he's doing. | ||
| No, he's trying to avoid doing that. | ||
| He's playing a safe version of this by making vague claims about... | ||
| Various Democrat politicians. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| And in a different context, that is fine. | ||
| But in this context, you are denying Sandy Hook. | ||
| Well, in an accounting office or something like that. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| At the water cooler. | ||
| School safety is important. | ||
| This is not, number one, relevant. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Number two, no one blamed Alex for Sandy Hook. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Still. | ||
| This is outrageous. | ||
| Unacceptable. | ||
| Anyway, this is dumb. | ||
| Why are they so scared and terrified of the truth? | ||
| Why are they so afraid of the people hearing the truth? | ||
| If what they say about Alex Jones is true, why aren`t they willing to allow Alex Jones to have his day in court? | ||
| These are questions every American should ask. | ||
| Everyone was so willing to let him have his day in court. | ||
| Everybody was like, fucking, are you going to show up today? | ||
| I have been, you know, like we've said, I've been involved with the plaintiff's attorneys in Texas. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I know from conversations with them that they were very willing for him to have a day in court. | ||
| It was quite a surprise when there was a default and that a day in court would have been fine. | ||
| If Alex had done what he was supposed to do, sent competent corporate representatives, allowed disclosure things to happen with Discovery, They would have been perfectly happy to let him have his day in court. | ||
| He had every opportunity. | ||
| Go fuck yourself, Barnes. | ||
| If he wanted his day in court, we could have had this thing wrapped up in fucking 2016. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't want his day in court. | ||
| Maybe a little after that, but yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Barnes, I feel like he's getting dangerously close to... | ||
| Criming? | ||
| Well, saying some things that aren't appropriate about one of the plaintiffs. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And he said this stuff on Alex's show already, and one of the things that I kind of noticed is like, felt like they were working out their talking points, working out their bits on his show, and then now they're just doing it in front of the courthouse. | ||
| Here you have a case where ex-FBI agents or current FBI lawyers are suing who don't know anybody who died in Sandy Hook. | ||
| And never said their name. | ||
| How is that? | ||
| I mean, if FBI agents can now sue people for raising questions about what took place in various cases, does everybody who questions the government now go to jail? | ||
| Does everybody who testifies truthfully in their own defense? | ||
| Do they all get bankrupted into oblivion? | ||
| Because that is the future we face if we allow precedents like this to be set. | ||
| That's such an abuse of logic. | ||
| It's pretty ridiculous, and it's a disgrace for Barnes to pretend. | ||
| That Bill Aldenberg is just an FBI agent or FBI lawyer. | ||
| He knows better. | ||
| He knows exactly why he's one of the plaintiffs. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| I mean, you compare that to... | ||
| And this was, again, one of the more powerful things that you could hear is that the FBI agent himself, Bill, testifying, I wish I'd worn a different jacket that day. | ||
| Maybe that would have changed something. | ||
| Can you... | ||
| Like, that kind of... | ||
| That kind of weird guilt that should never have even existed. | ||
| Just like, man, if I'd worn a different shirt for ten years, these people wouldn't have been abused, you know? | ||
| That's insane, that level of irrational guilt. | ||
| He knows it's irrational. | ||
| The man's gone to therapy for years, you know? | ||
| Well, you'd hope he knows it's irrational. | ||
| Well, but you can never... | ||
| It's just fucked up, man. | ||
| It's just fucked. | ||
| Yep, and Barnes is a real disrespectful piece of shit. | ||
| And so is Alex. | ||
| I'm not Adam Lanza. | ||
| I didn't kill those kids, but people don't know Adam Lanza's name. | ||
| They know Alex Jones's name. | ||
| We'll take a few questions, and then we're going to come back later, obviously, but I want to just say this in closing. | ||
| I am strongly considering tomorrow, when I get put on the stand, looking at the judge and saying, you've barred me from saying I'm innocent, this isn't a real court, so I take the Fifth Amendment. | ||
| Alex was never considering pleading the fifth because he knew he was never going back into that courtroom. | ||
| He was only going to testify if Norm called him, and he knew Norm wasn't going to because he pays Norm. | ||
| This is all just artificial bravado and an attempt on Alex's part to get headlines written about the speculation about him pleading the Fifth. | ||
| This is desperate and pathetic and also a transparent attempt to use the trial as a promotional event. | ||
| Also, more people know who Alex is than Adam Lanza because Alex is a giant media celebrity with an audience of millions of people. | ||
| Lance is a notable name, but he's a murderer from about a decade ago, so maybe his name recognition isn't the same as a giant media celebrity who's the textbook definition of a fucking attention whore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Get out of here, Alex. | ||
| Who gives a fuck what Adam Lanz's name is in the first place? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| And this charade that Alex is using about, like, everyone thinks that I did this, or they don't know who Adam Lanz is, but they know who I am, is just atrocious. | ||
| Yeah, you're living in fucking Candyland, and it's infuriating. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So about that Pleading the Fifth thing. | ||
| Yeah, how'd it go? | ||
| This isn't a real court, so I take the Fifth Amendment. | ||
| Not because I'm guilty, but because she says if I tell the truth, she'll put me in the Waterbury jail for six months. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| Never before in a civil trial is the Fifth Amendment needed. | ||
| But top lawyers have looked at it and say, no, she wants to put you in jail if you tell the truth. | ||
| No, they haven't! | ||
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You fucking suck! | |
| I am innocent, and you are guilty of tyranny. | ||
| So I guess the judge is part of the New World Order now. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Many people have used the fifth in civil cases. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| It's an amendment. | ||
| It's not like a sometimes. | ||
| That's outrageously false. | ||
| And Barnes standing there is embarrassing. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a constitutional lawyer and no one's ever used the fifth before. | ||
| In a civil case. | ||
| Also, like, when Alex says top lawyers, he's just talking about Barnes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And maybe Norm. | ||
| I doubt Ray Nall has given him a consultation anymore. | ||
| He probably wants everyone to forget his name. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So yeah, he's going to take some questions, but we know Alex, so there's something that comes first. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You have heard them say that in America you can't say you're innocent. | ||
| Even Charlie Manson was guilty. | ||
| He had a right to say he was innocent. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| You're being robbed of your freedoms and of due process, and it's dangerous. | ||
| Find out what Alex Jones really stands for at Infowars.com. | ||
| Hear the show for yourself. | ||
| Find out what the establishment's so scared of. | ||
| Why my book is number one in the world, The Great Reset and The War for the World, because that's what I really cover. | ||
| That's what I really do. | ||
| I make money off of films and books. | ||
| I never made a movie about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I barely covered it. | ||
| That's a lie. | ||
| And I did wrongfully say it was staged. | ||
| And I apologized years and years before I was sued. | ||
| And they went back and they picked that up and they blew it up in the media and made me the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| You're not the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| So you notice here that Alex can't even bring himself to admit that he called them actors when he's explaining what he did wrong that he claims he's apologized for. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He can only use these vague terms like that he called it staged. | ||
| He's doing this because even he knows that his real actions are indefensible, but if he lies about what he actually did, it becomes a little bit more understandable how he could make these mistakes and such. | ||
| He's doing this because he's a coward and a liar. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| And nobody's challenging him. | ||
| He gets to say it. | ||
| It's so sad and predictable that it's like, oh, Plugga's gonna come in here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just like, you're doing this bullshit, disrespectful act on the court steps, and you have to plug your shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You pile of garbage. | ||
| This is just like, that's what I'm for, is when he's about to say Infowars, I just go, burn! | ||
| Air horn. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Or let's bring back the Vuvuzela. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Everyone loved the Vuvuzela for a really short time. | ||
| Listen, media dum-dums, you're here. | ||
| You don't know when he's going to do a fucking ad pivot. | ||
| I bet even they kind of felt it. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| I'm sure Liz was like, oh fuck, he's gonna do it. | ||
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Shit. | |
| Oh no, is the name of his book going to be? | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| So you take some questions. | ||
| And, you know, I think actually some of the people, if they were asking questions to rational people, they would be fine questions. | ||
| But since they're asking them to Alex, they don't know, like, you're not going to get an answer from this man. | ||
| You don't know what you think you're going to get something you are not going to get there. | ||
| Yeah, so the first question is, what do you say to the harassers? | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Any questions? | ||
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Alex, you can say to the people who were responsible for the harassment against the family, what's your message to them, the people that were putting out the misinformation? | |
| The original people were professors that questioned it, former CIA operatives and others, and I believed them, and they never told anybody to go harass families. | ||
| A few mentally ill people did harass families. | ||
| I think there's some evidence of that, and that's a real thing. | ||
| But the people that harassed some of the families who became public figures and met with Obama and went on TV, you know, a lot of folks that are pro-gun didn't like those families being political. | ||
| I understand why the families did it. | ||
| And so, yes, nobody should harass the families. | ||
| I've not seen anybody ever to do that. | ||
| They have no evidence of that. | ||
| There's tons of evidence of it. | ||
| That part where you said release the Kraken is a real issue. | ||
| Sure, that's one big piece of it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The constant promotion of Wolfgang Halbig. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Another very big piece of it. | ||
| Jail time. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, this is just, you know, you can just say these things and it's just bullshit. | ||
| And then they'll write it down and put it out there. | ||
| Well, no, because there is a chance that, you know, this is a local news piece and maybe they would play this and then be like, back in the studios and be like, this is totally not true. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't see the local news piece. | ||
| I imagine if you're watching local news in Connecticut, you're probably not going to be a fan of AJ. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I certainly wouldn't be if I knew that he was coming to disrespect your fucking town like this. | ||
| To make a mockery of the proceedings and try and sell books on the courtroom steps. | ||
| And everything your community has gone through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Together. | ||
| Pretty shitty. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, someone else asks a question that is like, hey, isn't there a First Amendment? | ||
| And Alex is like, you bet there is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And who cares? | ||
| And here's the last question. | ||
| I'm not going to tell a lie. | ||
| I've made mistakes in my life, but I'm not a liar. | ||
| I don't read off teleprompters. | ||
| I don't get given scripts. | ||
| I just tell the truth. | ||
| And that judge, again, admonished that I would go to jail tomorrow if I give any other answer of yes, no, or I don't know. | ||
| So when they get up and say, isn't it true you made money off this? | ||
| No. | ||
| The judge says I'll go to jail. | ||
| She says I did. | ||
| It's a lie. | ||
| She says, since you didn't give us evidence, I say you're guilty when we gave her all the evidence, but the evidence doesn't fit. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| This is a kangaroo trial. | ||
| This is a fraud. | ||
| This is a danger. | ||
| All right, listen. | ||
| Find the truth at Infowars.com. | ||
| Find out what I'm actually covering. | ||
| God bless and good luck. | ||
| Yes, I mean, he only took a few questions. | ||
| It was mostly just him and Barnes ranting about bullshit. | ||
| Yep, that sounds about right. | ||
| So he did end up also answering some other questions from people. | ||
| And weirdly, this is not on the video that he put out on his own website. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, it's strange because some of it, I mean, it sounds bad. | ||
| They're going to be suing people for a thousand years over Sandy Hook. | ||
| They may rename the whole planet Sandy Hook, okay? | ||
| This is a damn hoax and a lie. | ||
| And I'll tell you the best part about it. | ||
| I don't have two million dollars. | ||
| I don't have all this money and crap they talk about so they can get a billion-dollar verdict. | ||
| They're not going to get anything. | ||
| But what they got was their publicity stunt for their charities and their $73 million in Remington and the cash machine squeezing money out of the dead children's bodies. | ||
| That is unacceptable. | ||
| And I think Alex even knows that, like, let's not play that part on InfoWars. | ||
| Let's pretend that didn't happen. | ||
| Where I'm laughing about they're not gonna get my money because I don't have any ha-ha, the joke's on them. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Calling this... | ||
| This trial of publicity stunt while he publicity stunts on the steps. | ||
| I think saying that they're squeezing money out of the dead kids is a pretty grotesque fucking thing for him to say. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, when people are like, oh, he should have gotten his ass kicked when he was younger. | ||
| We're leaving out the many people who get serious head injuries. | ||
| Alex got his ass kicked enough, but I think he's fucked in the head. | ||
| Maybe we need to talk more about that. | ||
| I mean, look, there's an inability to control himself that is absolutely true, but he can't control himself enough to somehow navigate doing shit like this. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's not Mr. Magoo, like, fucking around and everything just falls into place for him. | ||
| If Mr. Magoo was, like, deeply malicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know how that would work. | ||
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Evil Magoo. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I wanted to take this episode to... | ||
| Because Alex has been in Connecticut. | ||
| Owen Scheuer's been hosting the show. | ||
| You know, him and Barnes will still pop in here and there. | ||
| But, like, I wanted to take an opportunity to really look at, like, this is this man. | ||
| This is what he's doing. | ||
| I think that in terms of his behavior, you know, obviously... | ||
| He can do what he wants on his show. | ||
| And there's a level of that that is disgusting and toxic and I, you know, don't want to ignore it. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But the idea that he would take the time to go to Connecticut to do this is... | ||
| It paints a picture. | ||
| It paints a picture of a real piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And again, this is outside the walls. | ||
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Like... | |
| The families could have been in the hallway and turned around and heard this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex was admonished earlier for doing this shit and saying, like, do your own research. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's what I would tell the jury. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's a chance that the jury could have heard him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's illegal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But Alex has no way of knowing, like, if the families were outside. | ||
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Doesn't care. | |
| Within earshot. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just a fucking psycho, man. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Ugh, Jesus. | ||
| That's disgusting. | ||
| Anyway, I'm sorry to make this the episode where we're gonna launch it to the weekend. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Come on, everybody! | ||
| TGIF! | ||
| It certainly doesn't set things on like a easy-breezy kind of place. | ||
| But, who knows? | ||
| Maybe there'll be a verdict in that'll, you know... | ||
| Be high. | ||
| I'll tell you, if half a billion dollar judgment gets handed down, it's going to be a good weekend. | ||
| It'll take a little bit of a balm on this wound, this burn of Alex's bullshit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back on Monday with another episode. | ||
| Not about a dumb publicity stunt press conference. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do! | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DCX Clark. | ||
| I'm Wilford Snibblesnabble of the Gribble Pebble. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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