In this installment, Alex does a "special" Saturday episode where he interviews Mike Flynn about impending hack attack false flags, and then talks to his former employee Rambo Joe Biggs, live from prison, about how he's been sentenced to 17 years in jail for plotting a seditious conspiracy.
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding us. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is... | ||
| This sauce. | ||
| Roja, street taco sauce. | ||
| Yes, by Casa Mamita. | ||
| Alright, okay. | ||
| Is that mom's house? | ||
| Mama's house. | ||
| Big mama's house. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| Starting Martin Lawrence. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That was Martin Lawrence? | ||
| Yeah, that was Martin Lawrence. | ||
| Remember that movie, The Black Knight, where he time travels? | ||
| Oh my god, I do remember the King Arthur, or no, the kid in a King Arthur's court, but it was the black version. | ||
| But it was Martin Lawrence. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was like Black Annie. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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What are we doing? | |
| That movie played in a loop in the lobby of the theater I worked in. | ||
| I have it seared into my memory, him saying, your daughter's a freak. | ||
| I find it so weird. | ||
| I think Martin Lawrence has one of the great careers of like, this movie is overall terrible, but there's five minutes that are, I'll hold those up for the rest of my life as being fucking hilarious. | ||
| I don't remember much of that movie if I even did see it. | ||
| Oh no, I'm talking about every Martin Lawrence movie from the late 90s to the early 2000s. | ||
| He's had some movies that have had more than just minutes. | ||
| He's had some great movies. | ||
| And he had a good stand-up career going before he got into... | ||
| One of the greats. | ||
| And he has the dubious honor of being kicked off of ever hosting SNL. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Ever again. | ||
| So, you know, hey. | ||
| What a career. | ||
| Anyway, this sauce... | ||
| Is that what we were talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I recently moved closer to an Aldi than other grocery stores. | ||
| And so I've started going down to the Aldi a little bit more. | ||
| And this has led to a couple things. | ||
| First, I have a taste for mamba candy now. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, the mambas are good. | ||
| Yeah, I never really was interested in them, but then they're at the counter, and so I always grab one. | ||
| Up your Starburst game. | ||
| I'm fascinated by how they managed to never have... | ||
| So you get the pack, and then there's three mini-packs, and each is a flavor. | ||
| So you have a strawberry, orange, and a lemon. | ||
| I'm fascinated by how they managed to never have doubles in there. | ||
| Like two lemons. | ||
| I mean, you know... | ||
| I don't know how it works. | ||
| Considering the number of times you go through a Starburst and you get one pink one and like 30 lemons, and then you go to Mamba and they organize. | ||
| Starburst is the southwest of candies like that. | ||
| Everybody has to line up like a fucking asshole, and you never know when you're even going to get on there. | ||
| But there is still a risk involved, and that is because there's four flavors of the Mamba and only three packs in there. | ||
| I do appreciate that. | ||
| You may not get one of the things. | ||
| And you know they did that on purpose. | ||
| Oh yeah, they did. | ||
| For the raspberry fans. | ||
| I mean, you're gonna be like, shit, I gotta buy another mamba. | ||
| That's how they get you. | ||
| They saw it. | ||
| They saw it coming. | ||
| So anyway, this sauce was taunting me because I was like, I don't know if it's gonna be any good. | ||
| It's kind of a hot sauce, but you know, it's a taco sauce. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's great? | ||
| It goes really well on a whole bunch of things. | ||
| It's a good everyday kind of sauce. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| You know, I've done my time in the trenches of the, like, hot things. | ||
| I still like that from time to time. | ||
| But I need something more like this as, like, a spice hammock for me in my old age to just enjoy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I recall tasting some of the Thai food that we ate together and wondering if I was going to survive the evening. | ||
| Yeah, and you were getting, like, mild plus. | ||
| Yes, totally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You weren't even in the game. | ||
| I was not even a twinkle in my... | ||
| Well, whatever. | ||
| So, yeah, also Martin Lawrence, apparently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| He's a good bright spot. | ||
| Bad boys, too. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| You can't impeach Bad Boys 2. You simply can't. | ||
| I mean, you could. | ||
| For a lot of reasons. | ||
| Shit just got real. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, Henry Rollins. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I can't remember who else is in that. | ||
| My Bright Spot, Dan. | ||
| Tennis? | ||
| No. | ||
| How... | ||
| How High? | ||
| No, What We Do in the Shadows. | ||
| I've heard of that. | ||
| Just ended its fifth season. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I thought it was a movie. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It was a movie. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was a movie originally done by Jemaine Clement. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| From the Flight of the Conchords. | ||
| Yeah, Taika Waititi. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, that's a relief that it was a movie, because otherwise I'd have to really question my ability to passively absorb pop culture references. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So they kind of reorganized the main concept and turned it into a TV series, and it's fantastic. | ||
| The writing is incredible, and on this last season, like, one of the great things about writing... | ||
| Okay, is that the, like... | ||
| Best you can do is you can surprise the audience with elegance. | ||
| Yeah, that is a good thing to do. | ||
| There's a million different ways to surprise your audience. | ||
| There's a million different ways to emotionally manipulate. | ||
| There's all of these different tools. | ||
| But when you come up with a very elegant solution that wraps up everything that you want it to do, then you just sit there in awe. | ||
| Yeah, and especially when you don't really fully see that bow being tied. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Yeah, it is the best you can do. | ||
| Fucking nailed it. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| It's truly, truly an amazing accomplishment this season. | ||
| In the season finale, did he finally vanquish the Rhymenoceros? | ||
| No, is it more of a hip-hopopotamus defeat this time? | ||
| Rats. | ||
| The end were all the humans dead. | ||
| I was going to say, how many more Flight of the Conqueror songs? | ||
| Is there any inner city pressure? | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| No, but you have to take a ride on the bus with the bus driver. | ||
| When the bus driver gets off his shift, is there ever a call that he makes from Bowie to Bowie? | ||
| No, but there is a call he makes to Ian and Deanna. | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| Nah, it's a song. | ||
| Nah, you got it going on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay, how long can we do this? | ||
| Just another ten minutes or so. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about I Had a Whole Other Plan, but then life gets in the way. | ||
| And Saturday on the 2nd, September 2nd, Alex did a little special. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Did a little special to talk to political prisoner Joe Biggs. | ||
| Calling in from jail. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Having been charged, convicted, and sentenced to 17 years in prison for organizing a seditious conspiracy. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| Like, outside of what we already know about Infowars and our experience with this, this is actually a genuinely exciting and interesting thing that I would be interested in hearing about. | ||
| An interview with a guy who was just convicted of attempting to overthrow... | ||
| America! | ||
| On paper. | ||
| On paper? | ||
| That is an interesting interview! | ||
| It is. | ||
| Why do I feel... | ||
| Not when the person interviewing him is sort of a confederate of his, and they're invested in lying about everything that has to do with the case. | ||
| Then it's not so interesting. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Not quite Errol Morris doing the interview. | ||
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No. | |
| An insightful, self-reflecting... | ||
| Penitent sort of interview where someone is really taking stock of what they got themselves involved in. | ||
| That would be very interesting. | ||
| That would be really interesting. | ||
| That's not this, though. | ||
| It's so crazy, the idea of, hey, we accidentally... | ||
| Tried to overthrow an entire nation. | ||
| Not accidentally. | ||
| Well, not accidentally, but you know what I mean? | ||
| Not entirely on purpose. | ||
| Yeah, you remember that show, This Isn't Happening? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The storytelling show on Comedy Central? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| A number of those stories have a sort of like, and all of a sudden I find myself in a situation where blank, and it's like this extreme nonsense. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And it's like a series of decisions that you didn't know you were making led you to this point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that could be, you know, something for somebody who tried to overthrow the Capitol. | ||
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Totally. | |
| You know, like, all of a sudden I find myself in the rotunda. | ||
| Might as well be... | ||
| Mexicans got on boots! | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Got a bunch of references today. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| You're coming in hot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Must have gotten some sleep last night or something. | ||
| Ooh, excited. | ||
| Or... | ||
| Didn't. | ||
| Or the complete opposite of that. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this episode that also involves a big old star celebrity sighting, appearance. | ||
| General Flynn is on. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was going to be Roger Stone. | ||
| No. | ||
| Is it a celebrity? | ||
| Is General Flynn a celebrity? | ||
| Compared to Roger Stone. | ||
| I think that an appearance by General Flynn is much more rare. | ||
| Sure, he's hot right now. | ||
| Well, but on InfoWars, too, like, Roger will show up any time. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| General Flynn, you gotta convince him. | ||
| You do gotta work for him. | ||
| So I think it's a little more special. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It also sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we'll get to that here in a minute, but before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Jay from Spokane, the reheated-in-the-microwave wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, filthy flying monkey who evolved out of a witch's butt. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, this is in parentheses or a bracket, excuse me, fake laughter, so that's your bailiwick. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you! | |
| Next, all one word, Diamond Roads. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And Dandy and Jordansis, I love you, from another stupid Let's Play channel. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I think that's a channel, because it's all capital letters. | ||
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It does. | |
| Another stupid Let's Play channel. | ||
| Ah. | ||
| We had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, too, so thank you so much to Charlie, the cat dad, to Ezra, Emmett, Ellie, Eugene, and Elliot Hoke. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| Where's the... | ||
| Okay, there it is. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much! | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, Jordan, one thing that we wanted to do, we don't do a great job of these sorts of things, and maybe we never do, but... | ||
| Possible. | ||
| We never do much promoting of things. | ||
| But our trip to the UK is coming up in the... | ||
| I mean, we talked about this before we recorded last time, that like... | ||
| Man, it's soon. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| It's happening, and it is crapped up. | ||
| It is really a lot closer than I thought it was ever going to be. | ||
| Yeah, when you fall into a little bit of a depression hole, and then at the same time are trying to just keep moving with the work that's at hand and stuff, you lose sight of time a little bit. | ||
| And it's like, okay, well, it's July. | ||
| Nope, it's September. | ||
| Why worry about the future? | ||
| I kind of don't believe I'm going to have one right now. | ||
| Right, and then you do, and here we are. | ||
| Oh, I'm kind of... | ||
| We're regretting having a future right now. | ||
| Yeah, so we have, of course, the Glasgow show, the London shows, and those are sold out. | ||
| Those are sold out, yes. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| Maybe if they showed up, there might be someone who didn't show up. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case, and I don't want to encourage people. | ||
| I've seen only, like, so if you're on the waiting list, I've seen a few tickets cancel, and then people snatch them up almost immediately, too. | ||
| That's great that there's that system. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But also, we are going to be in Manchester for the QED Festival, and tickets are still available for that. | ||
| Now, granted, we have a live show there, and I'm going to be doing a presentation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| About Alex Jones, which... | ||
| PowerPoint might be involved? | ||
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Oh no, damn. | |
| Can we set up a thing where I get to heckle you? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hope you sit on stage at a little booth. | ||
| I need a crutch. | ||
| Have a dunk tank, alright? | ||
| I don't want a dunk tank, but... | ||
| No, for me. | ||
| I'll be in the dunk tank. | ||
| And then if anything is ever going into trouble, you can always just throw a ball, hit the dunk tank, and I'm down in there. | ||
| You're like, alright, we're back at it. | ||
| Or too much sass. | ||
| Me? | ||
| Too much sass? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| You gotta get soaked. | ||
| But there are tickets still available to the QED Fest as a whole. | ||
| It is like a larger ticket, but it is a lot more people speaking and a lot of... | ||
| Interesting skeptic type presentations. | ||
| Also some other entertainment. | ||
| I'm not exactly sure of all of the other things that are there. | ||
| But yeah, we'll have our live show there. | ||
| And so, you know, if you're in the UK and you're desperate to see us and you didn't get in on those tickets, those are available. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And it's a good, I've heard nothing but very positive things about the vibe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| Which to me, like, I understand that you can explain to me what's going to happen at the conference or whatever it is, right? | ||
| But I'm a comic, so I'm going to go in there and I'm going to be like, these people aren't that funny. | ||
| But what I've heard from everybody is that when you're there, the vibe is so cool. | ||
| Everybody's so welcoming. | ||
| Everybody's so nice. | ||
| So that's what I'm looking forward to. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Everything that I've heard from folks has been... | ||
| Just a little bit less than early MaxFunCon talks. | ||
| Yeah, there is a little bit of that. | ||
| I do remember that. | ||
| Remember how that felt like, oh, they're building a cult. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| What is John Hodgman doing to these people right now? | ||
| What is going on in their brains? | ||
| Yeah, this is like, it's a positive time, everybody's nice, but we're not a cult. | ||
| We're not a cult. | ||
| That's what the QED vibe seems to be. | ||
| The exact opposite of a cult. | ||
| Yeah, so you can check out their website and, you know, if you want to come see us. | ||
| And because it's a festival, we'll probably be walking around. | ||
| We will probably be walking around. | ||
| I probably wouldn't mind talking to somebody if they bothered me. | ||
| I'm trying to sweeten the pot here. | ||
| Come to QED! | ||
| You might randomly wander into Dan's field of vision as he runs away and hides in his room. | ||
| I won't, dude. | ||
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No, I don't. | |
| I'll walk away. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm not running. | ||
| You'll take the elevator. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have the Saturday special. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which, yeah. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Here's where we start. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It is 1112 Central Standard Time. | ||
| We are coming to you from the Austin Studios of Infowars. | ||
| It is Saturday, September 2nd, 2023. | ||
| And for the next 45 minutes, General Flynn, one of the leading minds of the fight against the globalists, is joining us. | ||
| And then Joe Biggs is scheduled if he can get through from prison. | ||
| True political prisoner. | ||
| To be joining us as well after he was sentenced to 17 years in prison two days ago for committing absolutely no crime. | ||
| None. | ||
| So one of the fun vibes about this is because he's calling in from prison, and it's not like the last time where he had a cell phone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He can only call for 15 minutes at a time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think he's, like, I don't know, he might be calling them collect or something. | ||
| But anyway, there's a voice that says, you have one minute left that plays, and then he disappears and he has to call back later. | ||
| And I don't understand why there was a second call. | ||
| He ran out of steam in the first call. | ||
| It's just asking for money. | ||
| That's really all it is. | ||
| He's going to be in prison for a long time. | ||
| So his ability to make money will be lessened. | ||
| Especially since slavery is still legal in this country if you are a felon. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the sort of agitation and street violence business isn't hot in prison. | ||
| It's not giving you... | ||
| That's what's on his resume. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Agitating and street violence. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, you think that when you are good at agitating and street violence outside, that you can bring those skills inside. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Not always the case. | ||
| Sometimes there are better people. | ||
| The people inside are really good. | ||
| A lot of them are really good. | ||
| They have a lot of practice. | ||
| Not all prisoners, I guess. | ||
| There's a difference. | ||
| There's a speed check. | ||
| There's a bit of a difference. | ||
| So Flynn comes in. | ||
| He's first. | ||
| And he wants to talk about the GOP. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I find Michael Flynn a very weird character. | ||
| I feel like he sucks, and he always sucked. | ||
| But somehow he's debased himself. | ||
| I feel like him going on the Reawaken America tour and coming on Infowars, somehow beneath him. | ||
| It's not, but it still feels like it is. | ||
| Yeah, I think what happened for all of us is that we grew up in this generation of morning cartoons where the idea of being a general was such that you were clearly... | ||
| Competent beyond reasonability. | ||
| Yeah, there had been elaborate vetting processes that would have weeded a person who would go on Infowars out before they got to that point. | ||
| And in cartoons, that exists. | ||
| Because there's no nepotism in cartoons. | ||
| But in real life, all of these people are fucking stupid. | ||
| They're all dumb, just like General Flynn. | ||
| General Flynn is a nepotism hire, too. | ||
| Because his dad was Errol Flynn. | ||
| Anyway, here's that clip. | ||
| Part of what I do want to talk about in some of the time that I have is the Republican Party. | ||
| Where's the Republican Party? | ||
| Well, sir, you've got the floor, but let me just interject here because you're reading my mind. | ||
| I want to, before you have to go, get into it. | ||
| I understand you're defining for Americans the Chi-Com power group, the Russians, the globalists incestuously work with both, but they're undermining America, trying to demoralize us, trying to bankrupt us, destroying our cities. | ||
| What is their—I mean, obviously, I believe you would agree the globalists are the most powerful bloc. | ||
| Here's their ultimate goal. | ||
| Here's their ultimate goal. | ||
| I'm sorry, Alex. | ||
| Here's their ultimate goal. | ||
| No, that's exactly what I was about to ask. | ||
| What is their goal? | ||
| I've said this very publicly, that their original intent was eight years of Obama, right? | ||
| Steal this country, eight years of Obama, and then get Hillary Clinton in charge and have eight years of Hillary Clinton, and we would be done. | ||
| You'd be done. | ||
| I'd be done. | ||
| We wouldn't be having this conversation. | ||
| So to your audience and to the American people, that was their plan. | ||
| Eight years of Obama? | ||
| And if you weren't on the Obama, you know, if you didn't get on board with Obama, you didn't get on board with his team, you were out. | ||
| You were out like I was out. | ||
| You know, and then the next step, the next stage was a controlled... | ||
| Political person in the name of Hillary Clinton. | ||
| And keep her in there for another eight years. | ||
| And we were blessed. | ||
| We were blessed that Trump, this warrior, stood up and using his own resources and putting his own life on the line. | ||
| And you, and then that helped derail their program for a while. | ||
| Derailed it. | ||
| They're ten years behind. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Now look, it's not the truth. | ||
| But Michael Flynn could be Errol Flynn's son, technically. | ||
| Errol Flynn died in 1959. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Mike Flynn, born in 1958. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| The year before his death, he could have sired Michael Flynn. | ||
| I appreciate the idea of like, hey, if we had Hillary Clinton in there for eight years, we'd be done, as opposed to now. | ||
| Look at us and how great we're doing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, actually, I mean, I disagree with the point that you're making, because I think that their economy is doing great. | ||
| Like, maybe not all financially, although I think that the people who aren't named like Alex and the people who aren't being sued by Dominion and... | ||
| The ones who aren't in prison now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of the folks who have sort of navigated that territory are doing great. | ||
| I think that that ecosystem is doing well. | ||
| Are they doing well or is it like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is Flynn rich? | ||
| These things are far closer to mainstream. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And if you're looking at it from a, like, okay, do we have access to more people with our bullshit ideas? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this, then yes, I think they are doing better than they were in... | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| You know, years back. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's probably because they didn't even need Hillary Clinton. | ||
| They all went nuts at Obama. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that they're... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's an interesting question. | ||
| We'll never know the reality because it requires a counterfactual present. | ||
| But I think that if Hillary had gotten in, then they would all be doing great because they're really good at yelling about the Clintons. | ||
| This is a game that they've been playing for a long time. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And they could play up the, like, Trump should have won. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of games that they could have played to make a lot of money. | ||
| But, at the same time, the four years of Trump, the chaos, the insanity, the 2020 election, all of that, and, I mean, you have to factor COVID into it, too, and the vaccine. | ||
| Like, all of that broke so many brains. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, like, maybe they wouldn't be in the position that they are with their information space if it weren't for that, like, four years of unreality. | ||
| It does feel like they would be better off if they were kind of allowed to just be mad at the Clintons, the world was slightly more competently run. | ||
| But it wouldn't feel as good. | ||
| Like, it was four years of a Coke binge, you know? | ||
| And then they woke up, they're like, I'm never gonna be the same again. | ||
| I took too much Coke. | ||
| At the same time, you can get a lot done during a Coke binge. | ||
| You can do a lot during a Coke binge. | ||
| You can make a lot of changes to your life. | ||
| You can make something that you can't unmake. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You know what Michael Flynn's birthday is? | ||
| The day Errol Flynn died. | ||
| Christmas Eve! | ||
| What? | ||
| Yep, he was the gift that his parents unwrapped on Christmas Eve. | ||
| Oh, that's cute. | ||
| That one, the night before. | ||
| That's cute. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I don't like people who have birthdays that are holidays. | ||
| You don't like them personally? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or you don't like the existence of that being possible? | ||
| No, I think it's selfish. | ||
| You think they have personally chosen? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright, so you're saying that the spirit does choose the body. | ||
| That it enters. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm not sure of the mechanics. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| What I am saying... | ||
| None of us are sure of the mechanics. | ||
| What I am saying is, like, if you're born on a holiday, change your birthday. | ||
| It's arbitrary. | ||
| It is totally arbitrary. | ||
| Doesn't really mean anything. | ||
| Doesn't mean anything. | ||
| See, my birthday is great, because it's nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't really have a point here. | ||
| I'm just bored by Michael Flynn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, he has some Obama news. | ||
| But he doesn't. | ||
| He just has news that is going to be coming. | ||
| There's the guy right there, Obama. | ||
| There's going to be some things coming out on him in the next couple of weeks on Obama that his relationships, the type of person that he is. | ||
| Well, you said that six months ago, and now it has come out. | ||
| The homosexuality, the fact that he's blackmailed. | ||
| You're saying, so you obviously knew, you're saying even more stuff's coming out. | ||
| Yeah, more stuff is going to come out, and I think that what we're going to find is that we've been lied to. | ||
| So that's in the past, but we cannot forget that, Alex. | ||
| We cannot forget that we've been lied to, we've been deceived. | ||
| Did I miss the news? | ||
| I'm so confused as to why we're talking about Obama. | ||
| And his sexuality? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, because there's big news coming. | ||
| I get that you're mad about... | ||
| Obama still, and that's fine. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm still mad about W. That's fine. | ||
| We're mad about things from the past, but we can't do anything about it, and it seems really weird for me to, if I was just like, hey, there's going to be some real negative news coming out about W in the next couple of weeks. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you talking, why are you wasting my time with this? | ||
| Unless it had, like, implications to a major story, like, you would care if it was something like, I don't know, he had, like, Some sort of... | ||
| It was news that he put out paintings of dogs, goddammit. | ||
| Right, and you could be annoyed by that. | ||
| I'm annoyed by it, but I'm not going to be like, oh... | ||
| It's big news. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's not. | ||
| If it had something to do with, like, 9-11 or the Iraq War or something... | ||
| Then it might matter. | ||
| Well, if it's like, we've got some news about W, and through that we're going to take down Yale, then you'd be like, yeah, this is some big news about W. I get that. | ||
| But that's because it's a big story in and of itself, and it just touches on George Bush. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It gives it a little zhuzh. | ||
| This is just like peddling... | ||
| First of all, I don't think it's true, but then it's also tabloid-level personal shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Who cares? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, that's the problem, though, is I don't care about that for any human being whatsoever. | ||
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No, not really. | |
| That tabloid-level shit. | ||
| So Klaus Schwab is apparently also on Flynn's radar. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Yep. | ||
| And Schwab's got some plans. | ||
| Some evil plans. | ||
| Yeah, so here's what I think we're going to see. | ||
| And it's already been stated. | ||
| Schwab has said some of this. | ||
| I think we're going to see something in the world of, and we've just finished with this book, this artificial intelligence book, but I actually think that we're going to see a cyber attack or a cyber disruption that is so vast, that is so vast, Alex, that it's going to basically disrupt the entire internet. | ||
| And I mean to the point of where it's going to shut everything down. | ||
| And we have become so connected as a society. | ||
| And so if you, I mean, we were joking on the back, you know, prior about generators. | ||
| And, you know, you have a $100,000 generator, but you got a 50-cent piece that's missing. | ||
| And so the whole thing goes to, you know. | ||
| Two men with axes. | ||
| I was about to say, I was like, ooh, maybe somebody with axes is going to the top. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Someone called customer service. | ||
| Who's the next level up the chain? | ||
| This is kind of a bland prediction. | ||
| This seems to be what a lot of the folks like Alex are kind of preoccupied with now. | ||
| I mean, yeah, but that's, yes. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| That's like saying there's going to be another pandemic. | ||
| There's going to be another virus that, yes, we know. | ||
| There at some point will be a technological challenge of some sort. | ||
| Systems exist. | ||
| Like, there is no perfect system, necessarily. | ||
| There's going to be hiccups in places, and a good system is one that's mindful and aware of, like, potential problems. | ||
| And I think that most of the internet infrastructure is, people are pretty aware of how important it is. | ||
| You know, one time, I don't know why, I read this book on sailing or whatever it was. | ||
| The Christopher Cross song? | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| But it was like those old transatlantic ships that would cross from England to, you know, I mean, fucking the slave ships, you know, right? | ||
| But the way you did that was essentially a crew was in a constant state of repair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you're always repairing. | ||
| You're always replacing this board. | ||
| You're always replacing this thing. | ||
| You're always sewing. | ||
| Like, it is a circle of repairs, right? | ||
| And I feel like we're coming to a point where we're discovering that we have not had that circle of repairs going on the entire time, and maybe we should have. | ||
| Yeah, or we've been skimping on it a little. | ||
| And we've been cutting corners here or there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know? | |
| And that's not a good idea whenever you're traveling across the ocean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or you have a bridge. | ||
| Or there is life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Or death on the line. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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You know, it is interesting, too. | |
| Like, you know, you have the people who are, like, in a constant state of repairing things, and yet things still, you understand, are sometimes going to sink. | ||
| It is just an inevitability. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's why we create gods, because otherwise, how do you explain that? | ||
| Like, oh, shit, I did everything right, and then my ship exploded. | ||
| So, Poseidon's real. | ||
| The end. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Flynn, talking to Alex, and Schwab has said this, like, he's broadcasted that this is what's going to happen, these cyber attack type things. | ||
| And so the question comes up of, like, why do the globalists do this? | ||
| Why do they telegraph what they're going to do? | ||
| And we know the answer is intergalactic space law. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| You have to reveal your planet. | ||
| Because of karma space contracts. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Otherwise the devil doesn't have his full power. | ||
| Surprisingly, that does not come up. | ||
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Weird. | |
| Why do the globalists telegraph? | ||
| Like, people ask how I'm able to predict stuff. | ||
| A Peacock. | ||
| They're telegraphing that the cyber is the next big move. | ||
| It'll make COVID look like nothing in Schwab's words. | ||
| So why are they telegraphing and then lay out how serious this is? | ||
| Okay, so for everybody, right? | ||
| My whole world for three and a half decades in the military was to think like our enemy was going to potentially act. | ||
| So I had to think about, and then... | ||
| Provide scenarios to those that I was supporting, the infantrymen or the armor or the aviators or the operators who were going to go out and do a mission to put their own lives on the line. | ||
| So for many, many years, three and a half decades of my life, I had to think about what was the enemy going to do. | ||
| So I studied the enemy. | ||
| I studied him relentlessly. | ||
| And what I learned, one of the big lessons that I learned is what you just said. | ||
| That the enemy will typically telegraph what it is that they're going to do. | ||
| And if you learn enough about your enemy, enough about them, and, you know, you don't have to know every single deep, dark secret that's in their heart, because that's hard to say. | ||
| But if you know that they're evil, then you better understand, you know, how evil operates. | ||
| But what they typically do, and what they've always done... | ||
| They've always told us what they were going to do. | ||
| And people used to say to me, Jesus, Flynn, you know, you're a madman. | ||
| Some of the things that you come up with that you say... | ||
| For those that don't know, you never toot your own horn. | ||
| You were the first major general, major person in the staff, to say China's going to break and double cross this. | ||
| I mean, you basically laid all this out a decade before it happened. | ||
| So why do bad guys telegraph? | ||
| Answer that for me and then get into what you think's next. | ||
| So Alex can pull out this whole thing about Flynn being worried about China as evidence of how right he is, but that's just one data point. | ||
| And if you look at Flynn's wider career, you see someone that Alex should not be supporting. | ||
| For instance, Alex is supposed to be against the Iraq War. | ||
| In his world, it was launched on fraudulent evidence. | ||
| The globalists in the PNAC pre-planned the war years in advance and had pulled off 9-11 in order to make sure it went ahead. | ||
| Does Alex not realize that General Flynn was a very senior official working in intelligence directly involved in carrying out that war? | ||
| Flynn worked directly under General Stanley McChrystal, the guy who was the subject of Michael Hastings' last major piece, The Runaway General, which led to McChrystal's resignation and, according to Alex, Hastings' murder. | ||
| I get that Flynn is currently doing this kind of wacky conspiracy shit that Alex likes, but he should be really wary of this guy whose entire career has been defined by things that Alex should be staunchly opposed to. | ||
| And if I were Alex, which is to say if I were a paranoid conspiracy loser, I'd be very ambivalent to get involved with Flynn. | ||
| It's like Steve Pchenik. | ||
| Like, sure, he says he's not running psyops on you, but how do you know that's not a psyop? | ||
| Best not to get involved. | ||
| Flynn wrote a paper in 2010 called Fixing Intel, and I think Alex should probably read it. | ||
| This was a paper that was seeking to deal with the difficulties of collecting intel on insurgent groups and how the intelligence community could adapt to better gather good intel. | ||
| One of the major suggestions was, quote, A paranoid person might suspect that Flynn's actions look a whole lot like what one of these analysts might do if they were pursuing this goal. | ||
| This is almost certainly not what's going on, but as a rule, if someone's entire career is stuff you've been against and then all of a sudden they seem cool and want to be part of your group, Yeah. | ||
| counterinsurgency, you should not give them the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| That is bad operational security. | ||
| This is not cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Just because he's a celebrity or high profile or whatever doesn't make it worth I think this is very notable to me because normally... | |
| Alex is telling us about how the globalists are doing exactly what he would do if he were evil. | ||
| And yet in this case, it appears that Alex is saying, hey, why don't these guys use the element of surprise, something we all know to be extremely useful? | ||
| Well, it must be because they have to do this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| We know why. | ||
| It's intergalactic law. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| Yeah, because Flynn's whole bullshit about, oh, no, you have to understand your... | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| That's why you guys caught 9-11 before it happened. | ||
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Shut the fuck up. | |
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| But that's why Alex refocuses the question and is like, why do they do the telegraphing? | ||
| You're not getting a concrete answer. | ||
| And so it comes back to this. | ||
| Why do they do the telegraphing? | ||
| They don't. | ||
| Space law. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why do bad guys telegraph? | ||
| Answer that for me and then get into what you think's next. | ||
| They telegraph because they don't have all of the resources that they need at their beck and call. | ||
| They need to rely on other aspects of the sort of the geography. | ||
| Just like the average Antifa isn't getting orders to burn things down, they just know, go out and burn stuff down. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So they're calling on their militia, basically. | ||
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What? | |
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like, I've got to put that... | ||
| It's a dog whistle. | ||
| It's a bit of a dog whistle. | ||
| So you guys don't believe in dog whistles, so you can just go ahead and shut up. | ||
| I was going to say, yeah, what are we doing there? | ||
| So this is not at all what Alex has said in the past, and it's weird that he's not bringing up intergalactic cosmic law with Flynn here. | ||
| Feels really important. | ||
| Seems like maybe he wants this interview to seem more grounded in reality, so he's not diving into space contracts, lest Flynn look at him like the person that he actually is. | ||
| Are you sure it's not the interdimensional, literal Christian devil who is forcing people to announce in advance what they are going to do? | ||
| How say you, Flynn? | ||
| If I understand correctly, the globalists telegraph their plans so that the minions can hear the dog whistle and then make the plan happen. | ||
| That mechanically makes sense in the case of Alex's fantasy about Antifa burning down buildings, but how does this work with COVID? | ||
| Alex said earlier in this interview that people like Fauci telegraphed COVID in speeches prior to the outbreak, so... | ||
| Does that mean that someone listening heard that dog whistle and then created a novel coronavirus to release? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| No, he was talking to the viruses themselves. | ||
| Okay, that's possible. | ||
| They all got together and they were like, how do we accomplish this goal? | ||
| These viruses have an epigenetic memory to be evil. | ||
| The point here is that nothing Alex says means anything, and he'll be happy to contradict himself tomorrow if it makes it easier for him to spin a yarn today. | ||
| This explanation that Flynn is giving works for the flow of this conversation, and Flynn is a very high-status guest, so fuck cosmic law and the devil. | ||
| It's just a human resources and logistics issue. | ||
| They don't have the resources to pull off their plans, so they dog-whistle it out and hope that someone on the ground does it. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| What an incredibly insane idea of how an enemy... | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| That's not an enemy, that's a cartoon that you're describing. | ||
| Well, not totally, because it is... | ||
| Kind of a description of some stochastic terrorist ideas. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You put it out there, fuck all these people, in the same way that you see this happen over and over again. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| People on Twitter, people like right-wing shitheads, like the libs of TikTok, will single out some place that's having a drag queen story time, and then they get bomb threats. | ||
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Right. | |
| That is this. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| Right, but that's not a plan, and we know that's not a plan because it doesn't actually lead to anything happening. | ||
| Like, it doesn't lead to a thing changing. | ||
| You know, like, okay. | ||
| That's just blanket fire, right? | ||
| And then the plan is to make a thing happen because that happened. | ||
| This is just fire. | ||
| Well, things do happen. | ||
| Well, they happen, but like a fucking machine gun happens is they're spraying bullets left and right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A plan is not a machine gun. | ||
| No, but that is their plan. | ||
| Right, but, you know. | ||
| You understand what I'm saying. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| We're going back and forth on the same. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| This is descriptive in, not perfectly at, like, one-to-one, but it is fairly descriptive of the dynamic that their terrorist edging ends up creating. | ||
| But it doesn't really make sense for a plan. | ||
| When you're in power... | ||
| When you're trying to achieve something, like a specific goal, it makes no sense. | ||
| When you're trying to just cause terror, that's the thing that we weren't able to put our finger on. | ||
| So yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think this is dumb. | ||
| It's very dumb. | ||
| Oh well. | ||
| I mean, because, again, why do they telegraph their plans? | ||
| Well, because they don't have the resources to do a plan. | ||
| What? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I thought they have, like, all of the fiat currency in the world. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, let's get literate. | ||
| You know, Sun Tzu used to say that, in fact, he wrote about it. | ||
| He used to say? | ||
| Back in the day, back when I was coming up, Sun Tzu used to say this shit. | ||
| Ah, that guy was always saying this. | ||
| We're on a first name basis. | ||
| You know, Sun Tzu used to say that, in fact, he wrote about it. | ||
| In fact, he wrote about it. | ||
| But everything in war is deception. | ||
| I want people to understand what I just said. | ||
| Everything in war is deception. | ||
| We are in a war right now. | ||
| There are some physical components out there, clearly physical components over in Europe. | ||
| There's clearly physical components still in Afghanistan, Iraq, around the world. | ||
| There's physical components in every single major city in this country. | ||
| And it's called things like defund the police. | ||
| A phrase that goes back to the Bolshevik Revolution under the era of Stalin. | ||
| It goes back to everywhere policing. | ||
| State Department memorandum 7277 from 1962 to disarm the police and then our military and only have a UN force. | ||
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That's the official policy. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| So there's a few problems with the thought process that these guys are engaging in here. | ||
| The first is that trimming police budgets is not an idea that people got from the Bolshevik Revolution. | ||
| In the same way that folks who want to increase police budgets didn't get that idea from George Washington. | ||
| This shit is stupid. | ||
| Now we need to address the Sun Tzu quote. | ||
| The full version is, quote, It's important to understand the kind of deception Sun Tzu is talking about here and how it doesn't relate at all to a... | ||
| Flynn is talking about. | ||
| He's making the point that something like defund the police isn't actually about defunding That's a deception that the globalists are using to mask their true intentions, which is to take over the world and... | ||
| Communism. | ||
| Yeah, in this case it would be defund the police. | ||
| Haha, that's when we're trying to fund the police. | ||
| Yeah, this is a motive-based deception that Flynn is talking about, whereas Sun Tzu is talking about tactics-based deception. | ||
| These aren't analogous, but Flynn and Alex know that none of their audiences read The Art of War, and Flynn is a high-status guest, so whatever. | ||
| It might as well be the same. | ||
| In line with Sun Tzu, if what Flynn brings up were actually deception, then the globalists would be intending to raise police budgets by making the public think that they wanted the budgets lowered, but that's not the argument that Flynn's making. | ||
| The only other time that deception is mentioned in the text is in a section about spies and how you should have some spies that are meant to be caught. | ||
| These spies would be reported by other spies in order to make the other spies seem more credible to the enemy. | ||
| Well, it's a classic, you know, if you want to get away with big lies, then you have to get caught in your small lies. | ||
| Limited hangouts. | ||
| I mean, it's like, oh, if people think that they can always catch you when you're lying. | ||
| Well, then that's why you can get away with the big lies, because people won't assume that you're lying. | ||
| That's the trick. | ||
| Again, Sun Tzu. | ||
| Sun Tzu! | ||
| He was always saying that. | ||
| Sun Tzu would not shut up about how you got a small lie to big lie. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's weird. | ||
| As for state memorandum 7277, that was, uh, it's not official policy. | ||
| It was never put into place, nor would it even be enforceable in any way. | ||
| It was a suggested plan in order to avert nuclear war between the U.S. and Soviet Union, which isn't even relevant anymore since one of those things doesn't exist. | ||
| It did have some good ideas, though, like full nuclear disarmament. | ||
| It didn't involve getting rid of all cops, though, as the final stage involved this. | ||
| Quote, It's kind of like pie-in-the-sky type of idealism, where countries would be prohibited from threatening or attacking each other, and an international body would exist to resolve conflict. | ||
| It's a great end result if you could craft a functioning system to achieve it, but getting to that end result is literally impossible. | ||
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| So, I don't know. | ||
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Have fun. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Have fun! | ||
| Considering it's been 80 years since that was written? | ||
| No, not 80 years. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| 60 years? | ||
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60? | |
| 61 years? | ||
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70? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Late 60s. | ||
| And no progress made on that front. | ||
| No. | ||
| Still got nukes all over the place. | ||
| Still got cops. | ||
| Everybody's fighting each other. | ||
| I really appreciate- No international body that has any kind of potence to get involved. | ||
| My favorite thing about people who are martially inclined is that- There's always like a, ah, this came from the much more recent past than several our entire existences. | ||
| If you are the person with fucking boots, you are like, why don't these people like it when I ask them to lick them? | ||
| I don't understand! | ||
| So then you create cops to force people to lick your boots. | ||
| No one has ever liked cops. | ||
| No one likes cops. | ||
| It's not a thing that exists. | ||
| I like... | ||
| Cartoons. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Everybody likes TV cops. | ||
| Everybody likes TV FBI. | ||
| I like some of the characters on The Wire. | ||
| I like TV war. | ||
| I like TV shit. | ||
| But in the real world, this is all very fucking stupid, and everybody who's doing it is dumb. | ||
| I was trying to come up with a specific example, but I can't, because I just have a generic version of a cop whistling and spinning a club. | ||
| And spinning the thing, yeah! | ||
| Oh, sure! | ||
| Doesn't have to be Irish. | ||
| Doesn't have to be an Irish guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| But... | ||
| I was going to say, are you going to go Belfast or Dublin? | ||
| Which are we doing? | ||
| Whistling and swinging a club around, saying hello to the neighborhood, saying hello to people, petting a dog. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It's not real, but I like it. | ||
| Not real, not real. | ||
| Not what they're for. | ||
| Not what they're for. | ||
| So you may be asking yourself about this time. | ||
| Who does Flynn like in the realm of politics? | ||
| Obviously Trump, but beyond Trump. | ||
| So I just want to take a minute to talk about Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| Robert F. Kennedy Jr., number one, they won't provide him Secret Service, which tells you everything that they plan on potentially doing to that guy. | ||
| Number one, or number two, the Kennedy, every time I hear him, I'm like, Jesus, Kennedy, you sound like you're an America first guy. | ||
| You sound like a damn American who, you sound like either you're an old school Democrat. | ||
| And you're right there in the center of the country, or you're on the conservative side because of the way you're speaking. | ||
| And I would say that even some of the things that he's written about. | ||
| So I like him, and I know him. | ||
| And when I see guys like him, I mean, he gives me hope because the Democrats, the Democrats now are the Marxist party, right? | ||
| So the Democrats are not going to do a debate with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he represents something that they fear, which is honesty and truth. | ||
| Why don't they want to have... | ||
| Why are they going after Donald Trump so hard? | ||
| Because he represents honesty and he represents the truth. | ||
| Oh, crimes also. | ||
| I was going to go with the crimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Nancy Pelosi, noted Marxist. | ||
| You know, you can represent honesty and the truth and still commit crimes. | ||
| But you would have to acknowledge that you did the things. | ||
| That is part of being honest. | ||
| Well, I was... | ||
| I mean, I think this is all pretty dumb, but I was lost in thought about, is it possible to represent honesty and not the truth? | ||
| Or truth and not honesty? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| I mean, beauty is truth, and truth is beauty, according to Keats. | ||
| And he got that from Sun Tzu. | ||
| If you represent something like, let's say, truth, then truth must have a specific definition. | ||
| It should not be subjective. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Considering that truth and honesty are both very subjective words. | ||
| And very similar. | ||
| In terms of what they're driving at. | ||
| But look, here's the thing. | ||
| Every single fucking election, you do seem to notice that the Republicans are really interested in getting behind A shitty Democratic candidate and insisting, like, oh, they're a good one. | ||
| They're the good example of a Democrat. | ||
| Saw this every single fucking election. | ||
| It begins to be a little predictable and annoying. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think it's going to matter. | ||
| RFK, I don't think, has the juice. | ||
| I mean, I don't think there will be a plurality of voters, period. | ||
| I don't think any of us want any of these people to be in the government. | ||
| Maybe, but I think that people will be... | ||
| And also Trump won't be allowed to because he will be in prison. | ||
| I mean, you can run for prison. | ||
| You can run in prison. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you can't run from prison. | ||
| Not if you've been sentenced there. | ||
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Well, I mean, you can't run from prison, but then people will try and catch you. | |
| You can't run away from prison. | ||
| You can run for president from prison. | ||
| Yeah, I think that enough people would be motivated to go to the polls and vote, let's say, if Robert F. Kennedy is a legitimate candidate and there's a risk of him winning the primary against Biden. | ||
| Even though people are not incredibly enthusiastic about Biden, the prospect of RFK Jr., I think enough people would be like, oh my god, that guy is a lunatic. | ||
| His beliefs are... | ||
| Not in line with most of the Democratic voting base. | ||
| So I think that people would be like, we better not allow him to be the candidate. | ||
| You can't surprise... | ||
| Listen, I get it. | ||
| A lot of people will be like, RFK Jr., cool, fine. | ||
| But then when you actually hear him talk, you're like, okay, no. | ||
| Then no. | ||
| Also, the claim that he isn't getting Secret Service protection, that's actually true, but it's not a conspiracy. | ||
| It's because they only provide protection for major candidates, and someone polling pretty low super early in the lead-up to a primary, that's not a major candidate. | ||
| It would be unheard of for him to have protection this early. | ||
| I mean, besides literally Biden and Trump, he would be the only one with protection. | ||
| He's also... | ||
| A fucking Kennedy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You could pay for your own security if you want right now. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I think... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| I think we were talking to... | ||
| It was the Will Summer interview, and I was joking about how it was going to be Nikki Haley. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Man, weird stuff is happening. | ||
| Everybody hates DeSantis. | ||
| Trump's going to prison. | ||
| Everybody else is RFK Jr. or some guy named Doug. | ||
| Fucking Doug. | ||
| Fucking Doug. | ||
| I still don't know who he is. | ||
| If that turns out to be true, it will not be a prediction that I made on purpose. | ||
| But it'll be really funny to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Amanda Moore was telling me that Doug showed up to the debate in crutches. | ||
| Doug. | ||
| And I was like, this is such bullshit. | ||
| If Trump was there, he would have kicked those crutches. | ||
| I know! | ||
| He would have knocked him over! | ||
| I was like, this... | ||
| This is not 2016. | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| This is not Trump standing behind Hillary weirdly. | ||
| Vivek can, like, you know, do some bullshit and, you know, pander a bit and be weird. | ||
| But, like, no. | ||
| Trump was hostile. | ||
| I appreciate... | ||
| I'm annoyed. | ||
| I'm annoyed. | ||
| I'm annoyed at the GOP. | ||
| Because we're all acting like Vivek is not... | ||
| It's Vivek. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I only know that. | ||
| Well, I respect people's, like, how they pronounce their names. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And I only know that because in a freestyle rap that I watched him do, he said it rhymes with cake. | ||
| That's the only reason I know that. | ||
| Well, then I'll give it to Vivek. | ||
| But, again, the idea that in 2024 election, the GOP is going to vote a non-white white person, I mean, that's insane. | ||
| It seems like a very unlikely thing. | ||
| And the Soros ties earlier in life are going to be a real problem. | ||
| I mean, let's just all be honest about the GOP. | ||
| More than not are going to vote for a white person above all else. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So let's just be honest about that. | ||
| You're all a bunch of fucking racists. | ||
| Not all of you, but most of you. | ||
| But if you have a community and a voting party, let's say, Maybe not overwhelmingly racist, but has a bit of a problem with racism. | ||
| Tiny bit. | ||
| It serves your interests to have non-white candidates who you show acceptance towards, even if there's not a chance that they're going to win. | ||
| It serves your interests. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It does not serve our interests. | ||
| I don't know if anything that's happening in the GOP primary serves my interests. | ||
| That is another good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These are all good points. | ||
| I'm rooting for Doug. | ||
| Ah, man. | ||
| Can't go wrong with a Doug. | ||
| Doug, Doug, Doug. | ||
| I'm rooting for the TV show Doug. | ||
| Yeah, Patty Manet. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Patty Manet is for vice president. | ||
| First lady. | ||
| No, they don't get married. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Wait, do they get married? | ||
| In my headcanon, they do. | ||
| Oh, fair enough. | ||
| What, is she going to marry Skeeter? | ||
| They're in high school. | ||
| Come on, grow up. | ||
| Yeah, they will grow up. | ||
| It was 20 years ago. | ||
| Anyway, RFK, a lot of assassinations in his family. | ||
| And so that topic comes up. | ||
| One of the statements that Malcolm X said is, anybody that calls themselves a liberal, a liberal Democrat, he said, be very careful. | ||
| He talks about liberals, right? | ||
| He says, be very careful about somebody who says they're liberal. | ||
| And then a couple of days later, when he gave that speech, he was dead. | ||
| He was assassinated. | ||
| So, you know, at that time in our history, physical assassinations were... | ||
| Much easier to get away with. | ||
| And then, of course, you can hide everything in classified or it's under investigation. | ||
| Now, physical assassinations would be very, very difficult to get away with because everybody's got a damn camera. | ||
| You know, but... | ||
| That's why the assassination now... | ||
| As opposed to one of the most famous assassinations. | ||
| But I really feel and see... | ||
| That's their desperation button is... | ||
| I see political assassination coming roaring back. | ||
| That's... | ||
| And my gut's never wrong, General. | ||
| Never. | ||
| I mean, we've got... | ||
| You know, this is the time, and I hope it is, because I hate to think that. | ||
| So, man, that didn't used to be easier. | ||
| We've got pictures of the fucking Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated. | ||
| Yeah, and according to Alex, millions of people were killed in the past year by a deadly vaccine, which makes you die of what appear to be natural causes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The globalists have heart attack guns, and they tried to poison Trump with his Diet Cokes. | ||
| They tried to kill Roger not only with car crashes, but also poisoning him with polonium. | ||
| If anything Alex says means anything, then assassinations are very much in style. | ||
| It's just that the people who try to pull them off have plans that are so... | ||
| They sound like something Alex made up. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| Also, I did not look up that Malcolm X quote. | ||
| I probably should have. | ||
| I don't know if it's real or if he's confusing it with Martin Luther King Jr.'s idea about... | ||
| The white liberal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to say that he's totally doing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That seems to be what I feel. | ||
| But I would assume that Malcolm X probably had some similar feelings. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, Malcolm X was not a fan of the armchair liberal. | ||
| I don't know if Malcolm X and Martin Luther King disliked milquetoast liberals for the same reason that Flynn does. | ||
| Well, that's the funny part about that. | ||
| Don't you dare be like, see, Martin Luther King Jr. hated these white liberals just like I do. | ||
| We're the same. | ||
| Yeah, these people who I would probably root on being assassinated were I alive at the time. | ||
| And not just that, but the people who I was. | ||
| If you are Michael Flynn in Obama's military cabinet or whatever, that's you! | ||
| All right. | ||
| So we got one last clip here with Flynn, and this feels vaguely familiar. | ||
| Yeah, they could be in charge of a big win and have domination through American culture. | ||
| They'd be ten times more powerful, but they have a needle dick. | ||
| Why do the globalists hate us so much? | ||
| Why do they have it out for us? | ||
| Needle dicks. | ||
| They hate us because they hate just authentic, honest people. | ||
| Who they cannot control. | ||
| You're a spy! | ||
| You're truly here. | ||
| It's like, when I was in the tail end of my military time, one of the, and this is public, one of the reasons why I was told to leave basically a year early from a job that normally would be three years was because I wouldn't toe the line. | ||
| for the talking points that ISIS was on the run, that al-Qaeda was on the run. | ||
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Do you know why I think that sounds familiar? | |
| Why? | ||
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Sort of. | |
| He's talking about why the globalists hate us. | ||
| Sounds like he's saying they hate us for our freedom. | ||
| It does seem very similar to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Almost like the line. | ||
| Yeah, that's weird. | ||
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Huh. | |
| Also weird that Alex doesn't point out that the globalists actually hate us because they work for the devil, who's told them that they need to sacrifice almost all of the population to feed Saturn and create a silicon god who will rule Earth. | ||
| Probably doesn't want Flynn to think he's insane. | ||
| I would doubt he'd throw that one out to Flynn. | ||
| Also weird that Alex doesn't bring up his belief that al-Qaeda and ISIS aren't real and are just the globalists. | ||
| Probably doesn't want to risk Flynn flat out rejecting that since his entire career revolved around fighting those terrorist groups. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| In a situation like this, Alex needs to just play along, even though it contradicts his entire worldview, because he's a... | ||
| nothing means anything. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that Flynn is able to get away with... | ||
| Being Flynn and then going to the far right is just evidence of how stupid easy it is. | ||
| Or it's evidence of his smoothness, which he inherited from his father, Errol Flynn. | ||
| So Joe Biggs comes in. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Now, let's go to Joe Biggs, who was just wrongfully convicted and sentenced to 17 years in prison. | ||
| Former Infowars reporter, totally innocent. | ||
| Charged with terrorism. | ||
| Terrorism sentencing. | ||
| for being there when Ray Epps broke through the fence. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| Joe, I love you, brother, and you're a political prisoner, and we appreciate you. | ||
| I know you only get 15 minutes per call, and you've got to call back at 15 again, so we've got about 12 minutes for you before they hang up on you, then we'll be waiting for you to come back on again in about 30 minutes. | ||
| Talk more. | ||
| How are you holding up, and you've got the floor. | ||
| No, they didn't. | ||
| But, you know, this is interesting. | ||
| I think that he'll probably get less time in the future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would imagine that... | ||
| The Board of Prisons or The Warden. | ||
| Do they still have wardens? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I remember being real interested in the idea of wardens and how much power they wielded. | ||
| I imagine that's probably movie stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I still think that it's probably not something they're going to allow a ton. | ||
| You being a guest on a conspiracy-ass radio show that was instrumental in organizing and... | ||
| Facilitating the crime that you committed. | ||
| There is a very, like, if I'm going up for parole, and they're like, do you disavow your previous feelings, and do you not want to commit those crimes anymore? | ||
| I wouldn't be like, nah, dude, I call into Infowars every week! | ||
| Yeah, like, if you were a, like, let's just say, Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And then you were convicted of conspiracy to start a riot that ended up in some deaths and all this. | |
| And you go to prison. | ||
| Are you going to be allowed to call in to that radio show, that Nazi radio show that you were on? | ||
| It seems like something that would be inappropriate. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| I mean, if you want to look at it from a parole standpoint, it shows like... | ||
| A lack of remorse pretty hard. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the most lack of remorse you can have is calling into the show that you were a statistic terrorist on and asking for money to keep doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And painting yourself as such a martyr in a way that... | ||
| Makes it more likely that other people will do the same thing that you did. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Cool. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So there's a lot of lies in their interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| I know, it's shocking. | ||
| God. | ||
| It's almost like prison doesn't work. | ||
| We went there that day with no plan, with nothing. | ||
| We were there like every other American, but it's because we're a political group, you know. | ||
| We knew that there was going to be a hit on us as soon as Joe Biden mentioned us in the first presidential debate. | ||
| I knew that there was something going on with this, and sure enough, even Enrique called it, they're going to put us in chains, and sure enough, they have. | ||
| Hey, dum-dum, don't go then. | ||
| If you had that awareness or something that you thought Biden had it out for you, don't go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, because then your argument is this. | ||
| We went because we thought we were going to win. | ||
| So if that's your argument, then I'm going to add another 17 years to your sentence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no point in letting you out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I knew that we were going to be targeted and all this, and I was going to be set up and put in prison. | ||
| So the only reason I went is because I thought we had overwhelming enough force. | ||
| If we won, then I wouldn't be in trouble. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I thought it was going to work that we would get the election overturned. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| 34 years! | ||
| And if that... | ||
| I'd be fine with it. | ||
| Honestly, you know what's weird? | ||
| To me, that's totally a good... | ||
| That's a good answer. | ||
| Well, it is, but it also shows intent. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Pretty hard. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying, you know? | ||
| But the intent is what he's trying to deny. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I understand why he's doing what he's doing, and I understand the choices that everybody's making along the way, but to me, it makes perfect... | ||
| It's like a reasonable thing. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| I thought I could overthrow the country, so then I wouldn't be in trouble. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Cool. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| I had my back to the wall. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Shit was bad. | ||
| I was in some trouble, but there was a low odds, like a long shot, a Hail Mary pass that I could get out of trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It went bad. | ||
| Didn't work out. | ||
| It went bad. | ||
| We've seen this in movies, I think. | ||
| No, I mean, yeah, but it is like they're trying to Ocean's Eleven it. | ||
| You know, like, oh, we're con men that got caught so we can lie our way out of all this shit. | ||
| And it's like, no, again, not a movie. | ||
| I understand you guys think movies are real. | ||
| Not a movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, the thing that we all really need to wrestle with is that there's no evidence that they planned anything. | ||
| None. | ||
| No! | ||
| I mean, so many text messages. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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There's threads! | |
| No evidence. | ||
| You know, we went through a long, drawn-out trial, five months, and not once did the FBI ever have proof of a plan. | ||
| There was no intelligence of a plan. | ||
| Not one of the rats that came forward said that there was a plan. | ||
| Everyone said that there was zero plan of anything happening that day by us, and yet they got us for a conspiracy to plan this. | ||
| They said we had this meeting of the minds without ever actually saying anything, and it happened on the fly at the first breach. | ||
| So apparently we all had this telekinesis power, we all agreed that from there on out, Telepathy. | ||
| and everyone walked forward, that we were all going to stop the certification of the election. | ||
| And that's what they got the jury to say. | ||
| And the jury would have convicted us of sorcery and witchcraft and murder if that was up to vote. | ||
| Man, if you had telekinesis, you could have pulled that off way easier. | ||
| Earlier, frankly. | ||
| This is a really brazen way for Joe to lie to the audience about stuff that's really easy to refute. | ||
| For instance, if you just read the indictment, the initial one, you'll find that they had an encrypted group chat called the Ministry of Self-Defense, which was an elite group of hand-picked Proud Boys who were literally called the, quote, National Rally Planning Committee. | ||
| Biggs, Enrique Tarrio, and Rufio Panman were literally one of the three-person councils that were in charge of that group. | ||
| On January 5th, at 9.20pm, Joe Biggs literally texted the leadership group, quote, We have a plan. | ||
| I'm with Rufio. | ||
| I gave Enrique a plan. | ||
| The one I told the guys, and he said he had one. | ||
| In the day, he texted them, quote, just trying to get our numbers so we can plan accordingly for tonight and go over tomorrow's plan. | ||
| Multiple times in the indictment, it's made clear that they want to show up to intimidate Congress into not certifying the election, and they have a plan. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So they keep using the word plan. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Happens a bunch. | ||
| Interestingly, there's one point where one person said, quote, there's no planning of any sort. | ||
| Everything is compromised, and we can be looking at gang charges. | ||
| Stop everything immediately. | ||
| This comes from the top. | ||
| This was after Enrique Torrio was arrested and the Proud Boys rightly were worried that all of their planning that they'd been doing was now known to the cops. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they pretended not to be planning anything and started a new group chat where the planning continued. | ||
| And now they've been convicted of seditious conspiracy, so it's back to pretending there was no planning. | ||
| Joe Biggs isn't a revolutionary or political prisoner. | ||
| He's a coward who wants to roleplay some kind of man of action. | ||
| He's perfectly suited to be a dumbass info reporter or drunk street-fighting racist, but he has nothing else in him past that. | ||
| He got too ambitious after the 2020 election and punched well above his weight class, so now he's learning that this shit isn't a game. | ||
| I'm still against the carceral state. | ||
| And I favor rehabilitation whenever it's possible. | ||
| But Rambo Joe Biggs is way down the list of people I'm going to exert my empathy for. | ||
| I've got bigger issues with the police and jails than Joe Biggs. | ||
| This whole 15-minute call, all of that. | ||
| All of that is to fuck people over just for the sake of fucking them over. | ||
| Or for money. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So I'm fully against prisons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Joe Biggs needs to be where he's at right now. | ||
| And it is weird to really reflect on... | ||
| There are so many people who are in prisons who don't get to make multiple 15-minute calls to appear on Infowars and complain and fundraise. | ||
| Who can't afford 10 fucking cents. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're forced to work without paying. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, we have a fucked up system. | ||
| Yeah, prison conditions are bad. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And Joe talks about that a little. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Well, right now I'm at the D.C. jail, what a lot of people call the D.C. gulag, just the one spot that had a, you know, retreating prisoners, Brad, at one point. | ||
| Owen said when he was there that he would wake up and literally covered in roaches eating his skin. | ||
| Yeah, that's how it was in the building where they first originally had people. | ||
| Now we're in what's called the CTF. | ||
| And it's a lot nicer. | ||
| It's not as bad, but the food is horrible. | ||
| Like, you can't eat the food here. | ||
| So look, here's the thing. | ||
| They don't want to make these conditions better. | ||
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No. | |
| They just don't want to be in them themselves. | ||
| They don't want to experience this. | ||
| Like, going to a place where there are roaches and bad food, it doesn't make Joe Biggs or Alex want to change the system. | ||
| And they just want to leave it. | ||
| No, it should be somebody else being covered in blood. | ||
| As soon as it's behind them or it's not exploitable for their use, like complaining that January 6th people are in a bad prison where there's bad food. | ||
| That is all that matters. | ||
| They will move on after that to whatever. | ||
| Instead of gaining insight and empathy into no one should have to deal with this. | ||
| This is not fair to humans. | ||
| Yeah, I've been in a cell for less than 24 hours. | ||
| And even then, I was like, got it. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| I know exactly what it is I don't want to be a part of here. | ||
| And I know why, and I know how to make sure it doesn't happen again. | ||
| My experience was slightly different. | ||
| When I had DUI when I was much younger, my experience was quite good. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was like super, super polite to the cop and everything. | ||
| And I was in a cell by myself. | ||
| And he gave me, like, an extra blanket and pillow. | ||
| So, like, I don't know. | ||
| It wasn't because of any, like... | ||
| That is the guy whistling down the street, spinning the stick. | ||
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Hey, everybody, I'm your local neighborhood jail warden. | |
| It wasn't because of any, like, affluence that I had or, like, my dad's a powerful judge or something. | ||
| No, you just caught the right guy. | ||
| Yeah, he was a nice guy and I was nice to him. | ||
| He did say as much, like, you know, I rarely get to arrest people who are as nice as you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm sorry we had to do this. | ||
| Totally, yeah. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But so, like, my view of it is biased. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe that is part of why I have, like, some lingering, like, feeling of... | ||
| Affinity for cops. | ||
| And the... | ||
| Yeah, my wife got beat up twice and has PTSD for... | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Slightly different, like, personal experience. | ||
| She has terrible teeth and a bad back for the rest of her life. | ||
| So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A couple of the people that I worked... | ||
| Like, when I worked at some gas stations, you know, the cops that would be there, the, like, rent-a-cops, they were pretty cool, too. | ||
| So that kind of, you know... | ||
| You know, small-town Missouri. | ||
| That's small. | ||
| Well, college town, Columbia, whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you're more likely, it's like the Kyle Kinane bit, you know? | ||
| Like, if you live a life colorful enough, you're in direct with a lot of cops, and eventually you'll find one who's like, oh, I could work at Panera Bread, but being a cop is $5 more an hour, so I'll just go do that. | ||
| And it's just like a totally regular guy. | ||
| Just like, hey, how you guys doing? | ||
| Yeah, there's a dead body upstairs, no big deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You guys partying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody bought a couch! | ||
| That is the unfortunate thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it is so weird that, like, just that, you know, that personal thing of, like, yeah, your, like, your Rolodex, whether or not you bring up, you know, your wife's experience, like, directly in your mind, there's still, like, everything is negative, all of this is negative. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Whereas mine is mostly negative from a policy and intellectual position, but there is still, like... | ||
| Hey, it was a positive interaction. | ||
| That guy could have been a real dick to me if he wasn't. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| No, it is fascinating because it is one of those, like, it's more about the power and people who abuse power. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's not about being a cop. | ||
| It's about the type of power that attracts the type of person who wants to exploit that power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| There are many things in society that would work better if people... | ||
| Had jobs that were similar to what the police are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not exploiting the power. | ||
| Yeah, that's a really good point. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that guy would not have beat the shit out of my wife if he was a grocery bagger or if he had just a regular, like, just worked nine to five doing anything other than being a cop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But do you know what that guy wants? | ||
| That guy wants the power to hurt people. | ||
| And that's why he became a cop. | ||
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Right. | |
| But then the flip side of that coin is the guy who arrested me also would have never beat. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Your wife. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Never would have beat up my wife, but he was the guy wearing a uniform. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, nothing that happens in this interview is in any way as interesting as... | ||
| As that conversation we just had. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| So a lot of people have been talking some shit about Joe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They are saying that he cried at trial. | ||
| No! | ||
| And he wants to clear the record up about this. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He's a man. | ||
| Well, I saw the left make fun of you that you cried. | ||
| When they said 17 years, but, I mean, obviously you're not 17 years and you've been given this evil tyranny and can't see your daughter. | ||
| I would cry, too. | ||
| They are sick, evil people. | ||
| Well, actually, no. | ||
| The 17 years came after the fact that I cried. | ||
| I cried when I brought up my daughter. | ||
| The tears that I had were from my daughter and my daughter alone, not anything that the judge had to say to the prosecution. | ||
| After I spoke and I had gotten emotional about my daughter, I sat down and that's when the judge read the 17 years. | ||
| Oh, so they even spun that that you cried after the sentence. | ||
| You cried for your daughter. | ||
| Yeah, I cried for my daughter. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| There was no anybody in that courtroom. | ||
| I got letters today saying it was emotional to hear you talk about your daughter. | ||
| But it had nothing to do with the sentencing. | ||
| I sat there and took that like a man. | ||
| I looked at him and did whatever I had to do, you know, and I walked out of there with my head held high. | ||
| I feel so bad for his daughter, but I don't feel bad for him based on that. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You knew you had a daughter. | ||
| When you went to the Capitol and did what you did. | ||
| You knew that you had a daughter when you were engaging in these group chats and all this stuff. | ||
| You knew the risk you were taking. | ||
| You didn't care enough about your connection with your daughter to stop doing that shit. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, like, that's the only thing that you can come away from it with. | ||
| You made a choice. | ||
| You know, but that's what we're describing here is the cowardice of that. | ||
| Like, again, if he was like, hey... | ||
| I did this because I thought I could raise my daughter as a fucking aristocrat in Trump's... | ||
| Yeah, as a duke! | ||
| That's what I was doing. | ||
| I was trying to give her the best possible life, and I lost. | ||
| It's delusional, but it would make sense. | ||
| It would make sense. | ||
| From A to B to C. Exactly. | ||
| And you'd be like, yep, that's why you did it, I understand, but you have the consequences for losing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you had won, she would be a duke! | ||
| So you rolled them bones, and you lost. | ||
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I... | |
| Sure. | ||
| But, you know that song Duke of Earl? | ||
| Duke. | ||
| Duke of Earl. | ||
| Let's take a walk through my dukedom. | ||
| That's a good song. | ||
| I just am troubled by bringing this up. | ||
| I know it's something that's important to his life and what have you, but I have no pity for him based on his inability to be a father to this daughter because he wasn't already. | ||
| Even if you hadn't done January 6th, you were part of a fucking street gang. | ||
| I'm going to tell you this. | ||
| You were a leader of a street gang. | ||
| Generally speaking, children who have fathers... | ||
| That engage in a large amount of political violence, kind of indiscriminately, are usually happier to grow up without that father. | ||
| And the political violence is targeted at LGBTQ folks, and it's bigotry-targeted political violence. | ||
| I can't imagine it being a great, stable place. | ||
| He should be crying because finally his daughter's going to grow up in a... | ||
| A better environment. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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It's... | |
| The one thing that I just keep coming back to, or I kept coming back to when I was thinking about this, was, like, you made the choice to go, asshole. | ||
| Like, what did you think? | ||
| You made the choice to have a kid. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| Or you didn't. | ||
| Life circumstances are what they are, and, like, it's not... | ||
| I saw a picture on his GoFundMe or whatever, and she's not, like, a baby. | ||
| So, like... | ||
| She can probably understand daddy's going to jail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, she's old enough to understand that. | ||
| And it's just like, hey man, you should have grown up and gotten out of this street gang phase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you got a kid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, honestly, five years from now, she'll be visiting him in prison or whatever. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| And it's going to be like the realization of, I wish I had a dad. | ||
| I don't wish I had you as my dad. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that's what she's going to find out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, one thing that Alex and Joe have in common is a lawyer. | ||
| You know, a lot of listeners have asked me, where is Stuart Rhodes? | ||
| I've been trying to get him for a year. | ||
| He's been in jail. | ||
| Where's Joe Biggs? | ||
| I have the same lawyer as Joe Biggs. | ||
| And the calculus was, it'll make the judge mad. | ||
| If you're on air attacking him, and that's why. | ||
| And then listeners are like, why aren't you talking about it? | ||
| Well, I've been trying since he got sentenced. | ||
| Get him on. | ||
| Took us two days. | ||
| He's here. | ||
| And you can say, well, just don't listen to the lawyers. | ||
| I mean, it's his lawyer. | ||
| And I get Norm's point. | ||
| Joe was on like a month ago. | ||
| We heard, we talked about it. | ||
| We covered it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What is going on with this being precious about Norm's advice? | ||
| Norm probably told Alex not to have those little impromptu performances outside the courthouse, too. | ||
| Didn't stop him. | ||
| Norm probably told himself not to fall asleep in court. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And he still did. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The number of things that Norm Pattis has said that no one has paid attention to is, I mean, comprehensible. | ||
| Well, I think people did pay attention to that one. | ||
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Not enough. | |
| Although, not enough! | ||
| That's a really good point! | ||
| Not enough. | ||
| Should be a lot more attention paid to that. | ||
| Maybe the only time I'm going to say that really bad stand-up should get more attention. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Man, talk about back-to-back losses of... | ||
| Big L's. | ||
| Boy, you really should be able to get your money back if your lawyer was Norm Pattis. | ||
| Well, actually, in a clip, I'll just play this right now because Alex says he hasn't paid him. | ||
| But I want to thank everybody that's gone to DefendJones.com. | ||
| InfoWars has stabilized. | ||
| The bankruptcy looks like it's going through. | ||
| Everything I told the court was true. | ||
| Everything I told the court was a lie. | ||
| You've seen all that. | ||
| We don't have $10 million versus $400 million. | ||
| And I've got a year of legal bills built up. | ||
| I've gotten a really good crop of new lawyers last year. | ||
| They haven't been paid yet. | ||
| And that's because the judge got lied to and told that I had all this money. | ||
| So the judge said, well, he can pay his legal bills. | ||
| And now the judge's like, wait, he didn't have any money. | ||
| But I still have the old bill. | ||
| That's about to all get fixed. | ||
| The judge has signaled where he now realizes he was lied to. | ||
| But for now, I need to pay that million dollars. | ||
| Like, that's a lot of money. | ||
| Not really in today's numbers, folks, with inflation. | ||
| Trump has spent $67 million this year on lawyers with hundreds of lawsuits and all the rest of it and all the criminal charges. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Trump needs support. | ||
| Well, I don't need $67 million. | ||
| I need a million dollars. | ||
| Or we go off the air. | ||
| Because if they shut me down, I can't be here. | ||
| Infowarstore.com funds free speech systems, great products you need. | ||
| But defendjones.com is where you can make straight donations. | ||
| So you owe your lawyers a million dollars, and if you don't pay them, you go off the air? | ||
| This is strange. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| But I do like the idea that he hasn't paid Norm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he also said he has new lawyers that he hasn't paid, and Norm is a legacy lawyer. | ||
| So maybe Norm and Barnes have been paid and then everybody else hasn't. | ||
| Yeah, I would say that, no offense to lawyers, but there's no thing in the law or that a lawyer could do that would ever be worth $67 million. | ||
| I think if they saved your life. | ||
| I don't have that money to spend. | ||
| I got a DNR, buddy. | ||
| I can't be in that kind of debt. | ||
| Let's imagine that you did have like a billion dollars. | ||
| And you were going to be executed for a crime that you committed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the lawyers are able to get you off scot-free. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Then $67 million is worth it. | ||
| Then I would pay them $67 million, but my life is not worth $67 million. | ||
| I'm just trying to think of like... | ||
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I know. | |
| I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| Take it back. | ||
| Take it back. | ||
| Not execution. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now you're just going to live in prison for the rest of your life. | ||
| Ooh, that might be worth $67 million. | ||
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I'm... | |
| If I could, like, not be beat up and, you know, sexually abused and stuff. | ||
| There is a certain part of me that would be, yeah, I get where you're coming from with prison. | ||
| I mean, I saw, like, when I was getting that Anders Breivik episode together, I remember that he complained that he didn't have enough games on his, like, PlayStation. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a pretty good setup. | ||
| So, like, I mean, if it was something like that, I'd barely leave the house anyway. | ||
| I mean, the problem... | ||
| If I could podcast from jail. | ||
| The problem is... | ||
| Joe Biggs is calling into a radio show I can podcast. | ||
| I think to myself, oh, but they limit your choices. | ||
| And then I think to myself, I would prefer some of my choices be limited. | ||
| Sometimes you go to the store, it's like too many choices. | ||
| Sometimes just the amount of energy that I spend just... | ||
| If I got rid of that choice, then I would have more energy saved up to do other things. | ||
| Yeah, but at the same time being forced into that position and trapped and maybe the one choice isn't something you like. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's the other problem. | ||
| But, yeah, $67 million to not live in prison for the rest of your life is probably worth it. | ||
| That's probably worth it. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| If you have it. | ||
| If you got it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't borrow it. | ||
| You're not getting out of that debt. | ||
| So we gotta double back here for a second. | ||
| Alex was saying that people are asking, why isn't Joe on? | ||
| And I don't think people are. | ||
| I don't think people care. | ||
| Except for one person. | ||
| I think this is all about this. | ||
| But I just love the other patriots that are out there. | ||
| They're like, armchair quarterback. | ||
| Wyatt and Alex Jones. | ||
| It's on so many subjects. | ||
| Wyatt and Alex Jones having them on. | ||
| Why, he doesn't care about those people. | ||
| One former talk show host that worked here. | ||
| Who just kept saying I was censoring when I wasn't. | ||
| I was really upset that he was lying and saying I was censoring. | ||
| I barely even watched the show. | ||
| I'm like, why are you saying that? | ||
| Oh, he doesn't care about his crew. | ||
| He's sent there. | ||
| I didn't send Joe Biggs there. | ||
| Joe Biggs hadn't worked here for years. | ||
| I didn't send anybody into the damn Capitol. | ||
| But Joe didn't do anything in the Capitol. | ||
| So the idea that I'm sending people and I'm doing this and I'm all this crap, it's ridiculous. | ||
| Alright, so you're mad at David Knight? | ||
| I was going to say, it's got to be David Knight, right? | ||
| It's got to be David Knight. | ||
| So David Knight is the reason that we're talking to Joe Biggs right now. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, it's a hot interview though. | ||
| Everybody was looking to get Biggs. | ||
| No, they weren't. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you may notice he hasn't been there, and that's because the call time ended. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so Alex is killing some time until Joe can call back in. | ||
| Waiting for him to call back in, yeah. | ||
| And so he does to lie about evidence some more. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But is there video of you saying we go into the Capitol? | ||
| Or video of you saying you, or text message you saying you orchestrated it? | ||
| No, that's Ray Epps. | ||
| Yeah, there's none of that whatsoever. | ||
| They have a video of me going, "Oh my God, I can't believe everybody just stormed the Capitol." There's even a video of me where I'm walking, and I'm filming it, and I'm going, "Oh my God, we've just walked over the barriers. | ||
| We've just walked over the barriers. | ||
| Not we've just taken them down or we've just busted them. | ||
| We've just walked over them because someone else had knocked them down. | ||
| We've just walked over the barriers. | ||
| Oh my God, I can't believe this. | ||
| People are storming the Capitol." Joe actually said, quote, we've just taken the Capitol. | ||
| Not that people were entering the Capitol and he was watching, but that he had. | ||
| He later filmed himself saying, quote, so we just stormed the fucking Capitol, took the motherfucking place back. | ||
| That was so much fun. | ||
| January 6th will be a day in infamy. | ||
| In their group chat, Enrique Tarrio even said, quote, make no mistake, we did this. | ||
| Joe can fuck right off with this woe is me victim shit. | ||
| I have no pity for this. | ||
| You know, when they brought up the Secret Service, you know, and how RFK didn't have any or whatever. | ||
| And it's like, that's fine. | ||
| You know, I don't care. | ||
| But the point about Secret Service is that you can't stop. | ||
| They can't stop an assassination. | ||
| They can stop an assassination from somebody who wants to get away with it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Somebody who's just going to kill you and does not give a fuck about if they live or die at the end of it can still walk up to the Secret Service and shoot somebody. | ||
| They're not for that. | ||
| Yeah, just somebody who is out to... | ||
| They expect to die going in. | ||
| Like Shinzo Abe. | ||
| That assassination of just like, I'm going to walk up... | ||
| You're not going to stop that with Secret Service. | ||
| And the same thing is the case with... | ||
| Like this whole plan they have of taking the capital of like, if you want to try and get away with it... | ||
| That's when you're going to get in real trouble because you have to have a complicated Ocean's Eleven plan that's going to have steps that people are going to be able to find their way back through. | ||
| Yeah, it should be victory or death. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's victory or death. | ||
| If you are in the realm of overthrowing the government or trying to impose your will upon overturning an election, you need to die or win. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because if you don't... | ||
| It's kind of sad. | ||
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It's sad! | |
| It indicates that you weren't really all that committed. | ||
| And your plan wasn't really all that good. | ||
| No. | ||
| It worked to a point. | ||
| Someone did shit on a desk. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| Small victories. | ||
| That's what we all gotta celebrate. | ||
| Moral victories. | ||
| So we have one more clip here. | ||
| Because I don't really care. | ||
| Joe is kind of treading water a bit. | ||
| And just like, give me money. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| But we have one more clip after he leaves. | ||
| Alright, here's what I'm gonna do. | ||
| I want to take the ADL to the woodshed, because it's been the top-trending thing for a few days, and people really get it now, and I've got a big stack here that ties into the UN, their whole operation. | ||
| And I've got all this other news, too, so I'm really loaded for bear. | ||
| I'm going to come back tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to do it tomorrow. | ||
| Actually, I'm going home early. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I'm loaded for bear. | ||
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I'm out. | |
| This whole Joe Biggs thing is kind of annoying. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| Man, Norm is the worst lawyer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard to imagine worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I genuinely don't know if he is a good or bad lawyer lawyer. | ||
| I wouldn't know how to judge the quality. | ||
| For me, it would be like, oh, his briefs are really well written. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I imagine they're not. | ||
| I imagine they're not, too. | ||
| I think, yeah, because this circumstance gives you the... | ||
| There's so many different skills involved in lawyering. | ||
| And at the same time, it's such a niche position for these lawyers to be in. | ||
| I would say that Renal appears to be a better attorney to me. | ||
| In terms of his ability to speak, and I hated a lot of the things he was saying, but he was at least kind of talking to the jury and all that. | ||
| Would you talk to me? | ||
| Would you talk to me? | ||
| I did not like that. | ||
| But, like, Norm, when he was making his arguments, like, closing and opening arguments and stuff, he was stammering, and, like, he was noncommittal to things, and, like, it was not good. | ||
| It felt bad, as if it was, like, I'm not... | ||
| It would never have been persuasive. | ||
| He learned luring from my cousin Benny. | ||
| It feels like that. | ||
| It feels like he's waiting in the end for someone to be like, Aha! | ||
| No! | ||
| The tires don't come on the Skylark! | ||
| Or whatever, yeah. | ||
| And instead it went the other way with Alex's text. | ||
| Alex's revealing all his text! | ||
| But that was Reynold. | ||
| That's the thing that makes me resist giving him too many compliments, because that was an unforced error. | ||
| Oh, that was maybe the biggest unforced error that you could possibly have. | ||
| Revealing all the crimes. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
| Bad move. | ||
| But as far as results go, I don't think there's ever been a back-to-back result quite as bad. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Who has ever lost that much money? | ||
| Billion dollar judgment against... | ||
| Well, actually, that's not fair. | ||
| Because he was... | ||
| Oh, wait, no. | ||
| The Connecticut one was the bigger of the... | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| It was him. | ||
| We can put Norm down for negative a billion dollars. | ||
| At least. | ||
| At least. | ||
| And seditious conspiracy conviction. | ||
| A couple of them, right? | ||
| Yeah, I think he was the lawyer for a couple of the Proud Boys. | ||
| But at least Joe Biggs. | ||
| Let's keep it in the info board. | ||
| At the very least, Joe Biggs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can't wait to see what he does next. | ||
| Yeah, and he doesn't even have the benefit of being an evil trial lawyer. | ||
| Like Steven Donziger winning the oil case. | ||
| $11 billion, some insane amount of money. | ||
| But then they're evil, so they can just go hire a judge and then get him in fucking house arrest. | ||
| That's how you be evil. | ||
| Or Ron Dazza is a fairly evil-seeming lawyer. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I think Norm is a noncommittal evil. | ||
| That's what I think he is. | ||
| I think he's just... | ||
| He's dumb and he's bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just bad at everything. | ||
| Well, you know, you could never really expect too much from him, having never seen him practice law, when he sat next to Alex drunkenly screaming about wanting Chris Maddy's head on a pike. | ||
| Yeah, that one was tough. | ||
| The fact that he was there and allowed himself to be a part of it and not just walk out or something, it shows... | ||
| Something. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And it's not a good thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| Anyway, great job. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back, Jordan, for another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Beep, beep, beep, beep. | |
| Beep. | ||
| I rely too much on the woo-hoo, wee-hoo, the slide whistle. | ||
| You've got a little, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is my... | ||
| Self-critique of my beeping and booping. | ||
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And now here comes the sex robots. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |