#1087: October 18, 2025 dissects Alex Jones’ paranoid framing of the No Kings protests as a potential false flag, despite his lack of conviction, while Jordan and Dan mock his shift from anti-police-state rhetoric to defending ICE raids and Trump’s deployments as "scarecrow tactics." Jones warns of right-wing revolution but hints at retiring if it benefits him, revealing his willingness to embrace authoritarianism. Meanwhile, the hosts speculate on his financial maneuvering—like positioning InfoWars as defunct—to pivot elsewhere, debating whether he’d ever stop or just rebrand under new platforms, ending with Dan’s absurd pseudonyms and Jones’ performative messianic claims. [Automatically generated summary]
My bright spot today is: I got a driver's license.
I've made some reference to being busy lately on the show, and I didn't want to discuss it because I felt like I want this process to all be done before I talk about it.
I need the government to give me a little card so I can safely traverse to the woods.
Yep.
So that has, I've finished that process, and I'd like to thank you for your help in taking me down to Midlothian in order to go to the DMV and take a driver's test.
We drove around the block and a little bit down Pulaski and through a residential neighborhood and then back to the lot where they had cones set up to navigate a little bit.
And it was fine.
This sounds like something that, as an adult, people listening are probably like, what's the big deal?
But I haven't had a driver's license in like 15 years.
It's an unfortunate truth for everybody that I've known as an adult who has gotten a driver's license is this weird inherent feeling of this is what children do, so I must not be correct in society.
And then the next thing I did is I went to my dispensary and like, look at all the medical stuff, right?
Man, it doesn't save you that much money, but if you put it up over time with that I could have had it for like the past couple of years, that's a lot of money, man.
Well, one now, the Austin police, not waiting for the feds to do their job, raided a giant communist Chinese government-run human trafficking operation.
Incredible.
The feds are busting huge human trafficking operations every few hours.
It just hits the local news here and there, but it doesn't get the coverage.
Trump is scaling up enforcement massively that was dismantled under Biden.
And even critics of Trump in the last 10 months of him being back in office, like Nick Fuentez, they're having to say, okay, he is scaling up.
Alex is trying to invoke some idea that Trump's opponents have come around to his way of thinking and realize he's correct.
In reality, he's saying that Nick Fuentes complained that Trump's immigration agenda wasn't Nazi enough, and he's been pleasantly surprised with how Nazi it's been.
The raid that Alex is talking about isn't connected to all the ICE state-funded terrorism that's been going on.
The Austin police were cracking down on massage parlors that offered illegal services, which normally I wouldn't support.
I don't think that that's a good use of public funds.
But according to some news reports, there were people, including minors who worked at the parlors who were being exploited.
In response, they have the communist, globalist, no-kings, antifa operations, 2,700-plus demonstrations nationwide.
I can tell you they're having them in towns all around Austin.
I talked to a guy at the gas station as a listener.
200 of them or so blocked the road this morning.
He was late to work.
They got people protesting in Bastrop.
They got people protesting in Round Rock.
That's just where I live.
Downtown, I was down there today doing a podcast with Sean Johnson.
I saw all these Antifa and Palestinian flags and groups of hundreds here and there, all over the place protesting.
But what they always do is they roll out the peaceful protests during the day to point their news cameras at it and say, oh, look, we're so peaceful.
And then at night is when the violence kicks off.
We'll have all the coverage at Infowars.com and Real Alex Jones on X and at Rumble and so much more.
But remember, we've been told by all the talking heads in corporate media and the Democrats that Antifa doesn't exist because it's a racketeering criminal terror organization funded by George Soros and the Democrats.
It's also funded by the globalists in Europe.
Well, the fact it's been declared a domestic terror group, international terror group, that's because it is.
And that's so key for them to always say it's headless or doesn't exist so that you can't go up the chain of the organized crime and actually stop the people that are actually running it, the people that are actually doing it.
But that's happening.
The grand juries are open.
And I've got footage out of New York, LA, Austin of the Antifa flags and the Antifa signs.
And then saying Antifa doesn't exist at the same time.
You know, it's interesting because I don't know if Alex differentiates between people who are actually talking to the devil and people who just think they are.
That seems disappointing because I would like to actually, if I knew that you could actually talk to the devil and I just thought I was talking to the devil, that's pretty disappointing.
And the imaginary Antifa, and if you look at the main funder of this, it's George Sorrel's filiate groups, is out in mass.
And of course, we haven't had kings since 1776.
President Trump is duly elected, carrying out a constitutional duty.
Now, Governor Abbott has directed the Texas National Guard and Texas DPS to deploy personnel and tactical assistance to Austin and other blue cities in Texas, like San Antonio, Dallas, Houston, ahead of a planned anti-Valink demonstration, which is a declared national terror group.
Violence and destruction will never be tolerated in Texas.
Today, I directed the Department of Public Safety and National Guard to surge forces into Austin ahead of anti-Valink protests.
Texas will not tolerate chaos.
Anyone destroying property or committing acts of violence, like when they've attacked our reporters or attacked our armored truck, will be swiftly arrested.
This kind of action by a governor isn't allowed when Alex supports the people who would be affected by the guard being called out.
Like in the case of the Bundy Ranch standoff or the trucker protests against COVID vaccines, this kind of treatment is only allowed against the enemy.
And let me be clear about something.
I think that the messaging that Abbott is putting out and the way that this is going is deeply inappropriate and bad.
Yeah.
But I don't think there's anything wrong with a governor sending National Guard when there's going to be a giant protest.
Logistics and crowd safety and those kinds of things can be handled decently well by a governor working with the National Guard.
I'm not fundamentally opposed to that, but when it's like we'll be there to fight back against Antifa, then this is now entering pretty dangerous territory.
Yeah, no, I mean, it's here's the problem that I'm struggling with whenever I hear about these things: I understand that all of these people who are in power are very, very happy with playing a feudal king lord thing, right?
But they're not shock troops.
They're not like the cops in Chicago are more oppressive than the National Guard in Texas.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're more going to be a problem for you.
But if you just send the National Guard to like a protest, they're just going to hang out, man.
Bring a street vibe, as GOP calls them, hate America rallies.
Well, they burn flags, American flags at them.
I mean, they're literally communists don't believe in the First Amendment.
Violent agitators arrested outside Chicago ICE facility attacking ICE agents.
We've got a little footage of that.
Meanwhile, illegal alien offering $10,000 bounties to kill ICE agents arrested in Dallas.
F around find out.
We got video of this.
We'll see you, cowards soon.
DHS vows to hunt down suspects seeking to collect bounties, shooting videos of themselves, putting on antifa outfits saying, we're going to collect bounties for killing ICE.
So the guy that Alex is talking about who got arrested for offering bounties to shoot ICE agents was a 23-year-old dude who posted something saying he wanted to find 10 dudes to shoot ICE agents for $10,000 each on TikTok.
It's bad and dumb, but it's not a real recruitment effort.
I guess that this kind of thing may be past the protection of free speech because if someone does go and shoot somebody and ask you for the money, are you involved in a conspiracy at that point?
You have made an offer, a business offer.
I don't know.
I think that it's on the line, definitely, in terms of what you can get away with.
But I don't think it makes sense to build that up past the point of someone just being an idiot.
I think that would be my central defense in the trial: I don't have $10,000 and I'm not going to find a way to get it, as evidenced by the fact that I am representing myself in court right now.
And before I get more into this and Don Lemon and the rest of it, calling people to get guns and attack ICE people, people go, oh, Jones, you used to be the anti-police state guy.
And now you love the police state.
No, we knew from the military and police, going back 30 years ago, that they were being trained.
And I was given documents, video of the Ming Train for national gun confiscation, taking over elected governments, locking down highways, declaring martial law under Bill Clinton.
You had the 29 Palms Marine Survey, all that.
So that's unconstitutional.
When you've got Biden, when I win the election, surge us with illegals and human trafficking and all these drug gangs, and then they sign them up to vote and all the rest of it.
It's the survival of the country, and it's in the Constitution.
But it's in the Declaration of Independence.
The main bitch is the British crown wouldn't protect the borders from both pirates in the ocean and marauding native groups with the French in the north and native groups to the west.
So go read the Declaration of Independence.
The main bitch, there's a lot of them there, is this not defending the population?
So without getting into a lot of those specifics, because they're things that we've talked about a ton and they're just nonsense.
Sure.
I want to point out that Alex's defensive strategy against claims that he is now into the police state isn't, I'm still very against the police state.
He's taking a stance that boils down to police state stuff is actually good in this circumstance.
Whether he understands it or not, the mere fact that he's trying to defend himself this way is proof that he's changed his position on the police state.
It was supposed to be bad no matter what, not just because of what they planned to do with it.
His career was built on that premise.
So abandoning it now just reveals that it was fake the whole time and he didn't mean any of this shit.
It's fascinating to see how the Declaration of Independence was motivated by different things, depending on what Alex is into in any given moment.
Ironically, here's another one of the grievances that they had with the king.
Quote, he has endeavored to prevent the population of these states for that purpose obstructing the laws of naturalization of foreigners, refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither.
They were pissed that the king was blocking and discouraging immigration and naturalization.
That would just be a regular, if Antifa is an international terrorist organization, which we, as we all know, it is, then for them to do that would not be a false flag.
So more or less, Alex is expressing an exasperation with folks in his branch of the media that they don't run with his talking points.
He makes up shit about things like the Podesta plan and Operation Lockstep that are based on fundamental misunderstandings of primary sources and cherry-picking details to make a case after the fact.
This really works with his audience because none of them care about accuracy or reality.
So there's no downside for Alex.
He's always right, even when he's wrong.
He predicts false flags.
And if some mass shooting happens, then he called it.
If nothing happens, the mass shooting didn't happen because he predicted it and he scared the globalists into not doing it.
He has a system in place where his false reality of content has the audience captured.
So he can get away with whatever he wants.
Alex is begging these other figures to just understand that they have the same thing going on.
They can get away with whatever they want.
And what's the point of creating that kind of information space if you don't abuse it?
Tucker got attacked by a demon.
Alex has frequent prophetic visions from God.
Nothing matters anymore.
In the past, these types of people would have been cast out of the mainstream, but the mainstream doesn't exist at this point.
There are no gatekeepers that can rightly accuse someone of being a liar and a racist in the way that it'll actually cause any drop in their profits or access to a wider audience.
Alex's frustration is that a lot of these folks aren't willing to use his propaganda angles because they know they're full of shit and they're worried that using them will make them look bad.
Notice that the media has been spinning at the corporate media that, oh, Hank Seth kicked the corporate media out.
No, they had them sign rules to stop running around the halls, going to people's offices, classified areas, causing a giant circus.
They're worried about spies.
They have to wear badges.
And a bunch of corporate media said, we're not going to follow that rule.
So they said, good, get out of here.
And instead, you've got now more and more real independent media that actually goes to the press conferences, goes to the briefings, and actually asks real hardcore questions.
And it's just amazing the questions they're getting asked.
It's a fun image that Alex is creating of a madhouse and the Pentagon press corps that Hegseth just had to get under control.
It's basically an Antifa riot at the press room every day.
In the real world, the Pentagon created a new rule where anything that the press corps reported had to be approved by Hegseth before publishing.
It's a comical attack on the free press.
And every member of the press corps except OAN refused to sign the new rules and turned in their badges rather than work in an environment where you're trading access for integrity.
So now they've been replaced by loyalist shitheads like representatives from like Lindell's network, the Gateway Pundit, Jack Pesobic, and Tim Poole's podcast.
This is a moment that really captures the political pulse of right now.
The Secretary of War, who's a former talking head on right-wing media, attempted to impose severe rules to chill the free speech of the press corps that covers his department, which he knew they wouldn't agree to.
It was a means of squeezing out any adversarial press so they could be replaced by the most spineless and ineffectual shitheads around who they consider themselves part of the administration, or at least they personally associate themselves with the power that Trump wields.
Do you think that Jack Pesobic is going to report on a story that would be threatening to the Trump administration, knowing that doing so could politically help the Democrats?
He wrote a book about the left called The Unhumans last year.
So if you're Hegseth, you should feel pretty safe about having him be the guy who's assigned to cover your beat.
Like, this is crazy shit.
And the idea that Alex is like super on board with it just shows, like, okay, man, you're not even pretending.
It's an attempt to create a press corps full of PR people for Trump.
Right.
And that goal is going to be achieved no matter what your actions are.
Sure.
If you stick around, they'll find a way to remove you.
Right.
And I think in the same way that pretending we live in the same world as the past, I think it would be a mistake to pretend that it would matter if you got arrested.
It's going to be the local police and things like that to deal with.
That's why it's so dangerous that the left controls most of those departments.
Trump is doing visual stuff to make criminals think that they don't have free reign, but it's like parking an empty police car on the road so people don't speed.
It's working because the criminals are so stupid, but it's literally a paper tire.
This is the opposite of a tyranny.
The Pentagon secretly training local police around the country for decades to confiscate guns and arrest you for your speech and having clergy response teams and infraguard ready to take over all the major corporations and governments and seize control of the capitals, extrajudicially, and form a federal coup.
Oh, that's what I'm an expert on.
And instead, it's those blue cities already brainwashed and prepared to be anti-American, not the cops on average, but their leadership, that Trump is dealing with and putting up a posture to make them not be confident to do it.
But it's just that.
It's like a scarecrow ain't a real person up in a cornfield, but the crows still see it and don't, you know, come and eat the corn.
At least for a week or so.
Then you got to move the scarecrow.
You got to put other hat on him.
Kind of like you can put an owl up on your house if you're tired of, you know, I said water collection without bastrop.
And I remember we were getting sick drinking the water and all the rest of it.
I was reading it.
I'm like, wait, there's buzzards sitting on top of the house crapping into the water supply.
Well, it's a federal offense to shoot buzzards.
So I did some reading and put up a plastic owl and put up a plastic hawk.
And they quit for a while.
And then they stopped.
And then I talked to some neighbors and said, you got to move the owls every few months.
So I had like five or six owls on top of the house.
And that's all Trump's done.
Stick a few scarecrows up.
Oh, God, oh, gold, 300 troops in Chicago, 200 to movements.
Oh, God, oh, police day.
Wow.
Motherfucker.
The death departments have been trained during martial law to take your guns under the clergy response teams.
I have all the documents, all the videos, all the admissions.
And that's what the left's freaking out because they're like, we tried to get the military to prepare for war with people, but it didn't work.
It's interesting to hear Alex make this defense that ICE raids and sending troops into these cities against the wishes of the local governments is all just like a scarecrow.
It's not actually achieving the effect that the right-wing media is pretending that it is, but it's meant to scare people.
I say that's interesting because that's basically terrorism.
This is the angle that he's decided to take in order to defend his support of Trump doing all the things that he's supposed to think are tyranny.
And it's thin soup.
The actions that a leader takes are no longer that important.
And some obvious tyrannical actions can be justified because they're the reason that they're being done.
Alex spent all of his career screaming about his fantasies about Obama building FEMA camps to put him and his friends in.
And now it's okay to imagine Trump would build camps to put Antifa in.
Alex has literally supported that.
Facebook and Twitter consulting with the CDC about public health messaging and strategy during a pandemic.
That was the pinnacle of the attack on free speech.
But now Hegseth installing a fully compliant Pentagon press corps, that's fine.
That's just fine.
This isn't an argument that a sincere, serious person could make.
It reveals how shallow his beliefs about liberty and freedom really are and how he used them as a brand throughout his career to chase power.
Now that he feels associated with power and that power is being used to do the exact things that he used to pretend to oppose, this is the only path available for him to maintain that feeling that he craves, which is the closeness to power.
He has to essentially be like, no, that's not what I meant before.
When they shot up in South Texas a month before that, they shot some illegal aliens because they just drive up and just spray a building.
Here, let's just spray a building.
Let's just spray the building.
Let me tell you, if there's a real civil war, right-wingers ain't going to be shooting up federal buildings or cops or anybody.
They're going to be coming to leftist leadership houses or going to be waiting down the street from your job.
And I don't want this to happen.
I'm just letting you dumbasses know.
You think a civil war with us is going to be us going out and killing dumbass leftists in the street and having riots and lining up and like fighting with each other?
No, that's not how it's going to look.
It's going to be all your houses burning down.
It's going to be when you walk out your front door, somebody puts three bullets in your chest.
So this is far from the first time that Alex has said something like this, but it's probably notable to remember that Vance Bolter was an InfoWars fan, and he did exactly what Alex is saying smart right-wingers will do.
He showed up at elected Democrats' houses and shot them.
Literally what Alex says would happen in order to get away with the right people.
As far as houses on fire, Josh Shapiro's house was firebombed.
So it seems like the kind of domestic terrorism that Alex says the smart version of the right wing will carry out is happening all around us.
Here's the funny thing about it: is that the smart version of the right, their tactics are, and this is going to blow your mind, identical to your, this is, you're never going to believe this.
Well, it's in line too with a lot of the rhetoric that you're hearing out of people like Tucker and Sobik and these folks who are like, hey, you're conjuring Hitler.
Yeah.
You know, you guys are making another Hitler by standing up for your rights and not allowing discrimination and oppression and shit.
Yeah.
And that seems to be pretty message.
There's a message discipline among these far-right folks.
But the truth is, now that I'm not dying on this hill and I'm not the owner of the company or anything, we'll have even more money to expand or everything.
That's great.
Well, why'd you fight?
Because it was the right thing to do.
And I had to draw them out and expose all their corruption for a discipline to them.
That's what God told me to do.
And maybe a miracle happens, whatever.
It's all in God's hands.
I feel great.
Love the crew.
Boom.
We already got people to hire them.
It's on like Donkey Kong.
And they're going to attack me and persecute me and lie about me.
Great.
I signed up, dumbasses.
I love when they threaten me in these media.
You know, the mafia.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Again, like, really?
You're criminals?
I didn't know that.
Holy hell.
God, I'm going to go shit on myself right now.
I had no idea I was taking people on.
I had no, they just can't believe that I know they're evil and still take.
That's why I'm doing it.
I love it because my spirit wants to politically, non-violently tear your carotid arteries out with my teeth.
I, if, if I were him, like in a real way, like strip away all the bullshit, the moment that he said, like, if the pedophiles and the monsters didn't hate me, I would like immediately think of Epstein and my entire world would collapse.
I think that there is a position that Alex is clearly showing.
And that is that InfoWars is done.
He's just waiting.
And there's more money to be made with it gone.
And he, I don't know what the fuck his content would be different if InfoWars is gone, but it doesn't, it does, it just, it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel energized.
And maybe this, this has probably not crossed people's minds, but have we considered just giving him the big, like, oh, you're shut down moment, and then he'll stop with all the legal stuff?
There's a bunch of ideas for the content to get better, but I think we're just going to end up with him screaming about how a race war is coming and how Trump is awesome.