I barely ever covered Sandy Hook. Just picked that later to sue me over and had rigged court cases.

So no, I did not decide to cover those things. They were brought to me to cover.

They were brought to me to cover. Sounds like he made you do it. No, well, that's not accurate. no, no, no, no. That's not accurate either. Now, I don't, I don't recall the exact transaction because you have to understand, I was still new, you know, I was still the new guy on the block at the time. And so when, when I'm told to cover a story, you know, I do it. I'm the new guy. And so, yeah, I did it. I don't remember the transaction or how, you know, who brought it to me or why or who said it. But no, I do know that, yeah, those were not stories I chose to cover. Those were stories that were brought to me to cover.

He and Paul Joseph Watson are two people who spoke out against the Sandy Hook coverage demonstrably at the time.

I appreciate, first of all, that he internally stood up about this at the time.

So, Rob, his awareness of the fact that parents of victims were not happy did not come from anything internal. Turns out he was watching PBS. At any time during your time at InfoWars past 2013, were you aware that Clarence had been complaining about this coverage? No, not immediately. I really became aware of it sometime afterwards when I saw, actually, I think a PBS special on what was going on, and it really hit home at that point. I was like, this is... He watched a PBS special, and that's how he became aware the parents weren't happy. And this PBS special also is where he learned that there was harassment going on.

He was still employed there, saw this, it all became very real to him, and then he still worked there for two more years.

Yes, as I've mentioned in my statements previously, the reason why I'm here... It's because a tremendous amount of guilt that I didn't act faster. Maybe I should have quit. Maybe I could have caught the story faster or been better at explaining, but yes, I do.

Paul Joseph Watson is one of the most powerful people within Infowars. True. He was opposed to this, made it clear to Alex, got Alex's cousin, who was a manager at Infowars, Who agreed with him looped in on the same thing and didn't do shit. There was not anything that could have been done because this is what Alex wanted.

But I did not build my career off Sandy Hook. I barely, not even one-tenth of one percent covered it.

Yes, yes, I sent him there. You sent him there. He was already going there, and I said, fine, go there.

I didn't know that immediately, no. You weren't able to immediately to intuit that this was going to be a major news story that InfoWars was going to cover? Objection? No, I didn't immediately realize that, no. Until days after, you know, and then it came off the news. So, at that time, like two days after the event happened, I was like, okay, this is a big news event.

Because we had a huge spike in traffic, and we knew about that by checking Google Analytics, we used that to decide what our coverage about Sandy Hook going forward would be, and we saw that the right way to do it was to lie about it.

Because Halbig was saying that I was involved in Sandy Hook because I wouldn't have him on. And I started finding out that some of the things that the anomalies they had put forward weren't true. And I had just ended my divorce and just kind of got my head cleaned up and stopped drinking for a while and realized that it probably did happen. And I was probably, I mean, there was a good chance I was wrong. So I started basically trying to walk it back long before I got sued because I wasn't sure that I was right anymore.

No, actually, I told my crew members, Sandy Hook's a tar baby. Stop covering it.

You, in 2015, went to people like Adan Salazar and told him, stop printing articles about Sandy Hook. This is because Leonard Posner was kept getting strikes against the company, right?

Now, if you go back almost 10 years ago, we saw the tragic shootings at Sandy Hook. And it was hard for Americans to believe that someone would go in and execute a bunch of elementary school students. And the internet quickly had questions and talked about anomalies. It was something that I only covered a few times on air. But what? Years later, evidence came out that some of those anomalies were not accurate, and I said I believe Sandy Hook actually happened. It was the minute that I said I thought it happened that the mainstream media said, oh, you said it didn't happen for attention. When in truth, I almost had employees quit over it. A lot of people disagree with me, including some of my family, and it was not a popular review on my show.

But I specifically remember that there was a clip of Joe Rogan after Alex's last appearance on the show, talking about how Alex lied to him about what he said about Sandy Hook. He said that he went back and looked at the things Alex said about Sandy Hook. And Alex had lied to him to his face about what his coverage of Sandy Hook was.

So one of the other big things that InfoWars did in their Sandy Hook coverage that is particularly disrespectful is that they put on screen and posted the address that Lenny Posner used to pick up his mail. There's a P.O. box that he was using that was, I believe, the address of the Honor Network, which was the foundation that he put together to try to get pictures of the children, like when conspiracy theorists would use their pictures of the kids to get those videos DMCA struck. Yeah, I know the story. He made that a fucking heroic effort. Yeah. So Alex was pissed off about this because some videos of fringe weirdos that he associates with were being taken down. Right. And it's an attack on free speech. Sure. So they got into the Honor Network and posted Lenny Posner's P.O. box address on air, which some people could say is probably not a safe thing to do.

So in this next clip, Carl and Alex are talking about how Alex got kicked off social media and they demonized him because of Sandy Hook. And in this clip, it's a minute long, and Alex straight up lies to Carl's face about what he did. But either way, you took your position on Sandy Hook Bank, didn't you? I want to be clear. I always question big events. I mean, this whole ABC just aired fake video, you know, of supposedly Kurds being attacked. They put out fake babies and incubators. So they misrepresented what I said. Then I was approached, and they said, look, just apologize if you think it happened because I've been saying for five years I think it happened. I said, I see why people could think it's totally fake because other stuff's been fake. And they came to me and they shit Megan Kelly here. And I kept saying, I think it happened. I keep it happened. I think it happened. And then she edited it to say that I said it happened. And I went, wait a minute, stop saying that I'm hurting these families by doing this. I think it happened. And if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. That's when they went, oh my God, he admits he lied. Lossy, lossy, lossy. It was all set up. And so we're going to get the tapes from Kelly in these suits where I kept saying, I think it happened. Stop saying I didn't. Because she's a lawyer. She came literally to get the statute of limitations so they think they could sue me. It's just a whole canard to make my identity Sandy Hook and then to make it that I'm always talking about Sandy Hook when that's totally made up.

Like, that is unnecessary. It is based on terrible sourcing. Yep. It's based on just, I mean, everything is as bad as Japanese poop bars in terms of, or even American poop bars in terms of being grounded. Oh, I was going to say, because they're not that bad. I mean, grounding in reality. None of this is real.

So we got a really interesting position that Alex is expressing, which is... Again, really wanting to call it a false flag. But at the same time, showing a little bit of restraint and kind of an awareness that if I go down this road, someone's going to hit me for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of idea. The fact that he's resisting it all is confusing in the present day. Right. Where you're like, why do you... Because it seems that he's aware that it's a line that you can't... Come back from. Right, and I think he understands the consequences of it a little bit better in this time frame. And so he's saying that we're going to get into it tomorrow, and I'm like, I'm listening to this episode, and I'm like, there's no way we're not covering both of these episodes, so I knew I had my work ahead of me, which is why Lou Rockwell can get bent.

So I think what you can take away from that is that Alex is responding to audience demand, something that he denies in the present day. The idea that the audience made a lot of requests that he covers Sandy Hook. He's like, I just go where truth is. No, I think it's very clear that there's market pressure for him to get into this business. Yeah, absolutely. Because as we've seen, he's been pretty resistant to cover it up until this point. Yeah, and even PJ Dubs is giving him some... Allegedly. Yeah, well, fair. Giving him some pushback. Fair. But I think that that's an important piece of this, because he has to respond to what the audience wants him to do. You can see it clearly there. The audience have been banging down our door.

Because Paul Joseph Watson has a little bit of a guest. Comes straight out the gate with... No. No, no, no. You're getting a little too excited. It's nothing that overt. But he has a guest that Alex doesn't want to be directly tied to. And coming up shortly, CNN can't get him, but we can. It's the controversial Florida professor who's basically been savaged by the mainstream media for questioning the official narrative behind the Sandy Hook shooting. It's Professor James Tracy, and he'll be live via Skype to take your calls. So James Tracy, the professor from Florida Atlantic University. Is Paul Joseph Watson's guest on the show. Right, right, right. At this point in time, Tracy was already pitching crisis actor conspiracies. It's the sort of thing where if you're going to have him on, you are responsible for pushing back on these things. And let's see how he does. Especially for someone who the day before Alex said Paul Joseph Watson is critical of these theories. He doesn't go in for it, so you would expect him to come loaded for bear to protect the conspiracy world that he is involved in from someone who's saying dangerous ideas that taint the purity of the turf.

Well, Media Matters came out with a story that This American Life is doing a story about the Sandy Hook victims' families. And it may involve Alex in some way. So he might have found out about that recently to this. And realized that, like, oh, the information that I've been lying about is going to come out to tons of people.

So within seconds, he went to gun talk. Yeah, within seconds of starting his show.