Today, Dan and Jordan check in with Alex's present day affairs, but quickly get distracted by the urgent need to cover round two of the Battle of the Century. In this installment, Alex returns to one of his greatest passions: yelling at Piers Morgan.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I need, I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you, my buddy. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is... | ||
| Okay, so last time we talked about this, I went to Wendy's. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And I got that chicken sandwich with mozzarella patty. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Oh, so good. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And so I decided, hey, let's double down on this show. | ||
| No, how? | ||
| Why? | ||
| What? | ||
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No. | |
| So I saw a commercial on YouTube for White Castle, and they had Sloppy Joe's. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So I decided to order myself some Sloppy Joes from White Castle. | ||
| I told you not to do it! | ||
| I don't like White Castle. | ||
| But I love Sloppy Joe's. | ||
| I mean, it is truly a paradox. | ||
| What is one man to do? | ||
| Back in Columbia, there was a place called Lee Street Deli. | ||
| They were really popular for having LSD shirts that people would love to... | ||
| Because it was like a drug. | ||
| It was like the drug, but it's not. | ||
| This deli was in the basement of a residential house. | ||
| It's really difficult to describe what it is. | ||
| I think people lived up there. | ||
| But the entrance was through Right, right, right. | ||
| And what have you. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| You were getting bootleg deli meats. | ||
| That's what you were saying. | ||
| They couldn't possibly. | ||
| Hey, this meat fell off the back of a truck. | ||
| I don't know where we found it. | ||
| They couldn't possibly have had a license. | ||
| I'm certain of it. | ||
|
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No way. | |
| But they had a thing called Juicy Burgers. | ||
| And it was for two bucks on Tuesday. | ||
|
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Sure, sure. | |
| I mean, it was just a sloppy job. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was a sloppy job. | ||
| But it was great. | ||
| It was so good. | ||
| Juicy Burgers. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I worked there one night. | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| I didn't technically work there. | ||
| I was just really drunk. | ||
| My buddy Kyle Ayers worked there. | ||
| That's where you end that sentence. | ||
| Period. | ||
| End of thought. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| I didn't work there. | ||
| I was just really drunk. | ||
| Period. | ||
| They were open fairly late because we were like Sloppy Joe. | ||
| It was pretty late. | ||
| It was on East Campus. | ||
| A lot of college student housing and stuff. | ||
| Kyle was working and he was just like, you want to help out? | ||
| I'm like, fuck yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if I did a good job. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Well, who knows? | ||
| But anyway, I have a love for Sloppy Joes. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So I got these from White Castle. | ||
| And, I mean, look, they were pretty good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I felt terrible later. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| A little bit later, I felt like, oh, no. | ||
| But they had a good Sloppy Joe taste. | ||
| You know, honestly, if you didn't feel terrible afterwards, you would be like, this isn't a White Castle experience, right? | ||
| True. | ||
| It's almost part of it. | ||
| No, but here's the thing. | ||
| I, in history, have gone to White Castle about once a year or so to remind myself... | ||
| To test its strength. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Like Soros is making it more powerful. | ||
| Absolutely, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I have to remind myself I don't want to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this time, unfortunately, I don't think that I had that same experience. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| With the burgers and stuff, I'll get it like, oh, yeah, that's why I don't go there. | ||
| Yeah, you never should have done that in the first place. | ||
| I felt bad, but, like... | ||
| I feel bad after eating a ton of shitty food sometimes. | ||
| It's not that different. | ||
| This time, it's not White Castle's fault, is what you're trying to say. | ||
| Anyway, I might get sloppy joes again soon. | ||
| Limited time only, baby. | ||
| Limited time only. | ||
| Well, you know, you don't have much of a choice. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, I don't know if you recall the last bright spot that I had. | ||
| Oh, we're both doing sequels. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So you're doing the sequel to that one, and then we sold out the show that we announced very quickly. | ||
| Which is a lot to handle. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we joked about, like, maybe it'll be a few tickets are sold out immediately. | ||
| Unfortunately, I don't know if that's the right. | ||
| Surprisingly, it was the latter. | ||
| It sold out very fast. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Much faster than we thought. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| So we have added another show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're going to do another one on Thursday, the 2nd. | ||
| The 2nd of March. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The tickets for that are going to go live on Wednesday. | ||
| Wednesday? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That way everybody has more of some time. | ||
| We got a lot of messages that people just found out about the show 20 minutes after it was sold out. | ||
| I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| So we're going to give you some space. | ||
| Yeah, there is... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not super drawn to doing a ton of live shows. | ||
| I feel weird about how our show looks on a stage, quite frankly. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| But I am very motivated by people being like, hey, I wanted to come to this show. | ||
| It was 45 minutes after they went live, and I feel bad for people, and so I want to be able to deliver that. | ||
| And so a second show is very... | ||
| And so, yeah, if you've got tickets already, please leave as many open to as many people. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Now I feel egotistical saying, like, please don't. | ||
| Like, shouldn't I be begging for more people? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| How do we do this, man? | ||
| I don't know how to do this part. | ||
| Uncharted territory. | ||
| Their shows are going to be different. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they'll all come out as episodes. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| So, you know, no one's going to miss out on... | ||
| The thing itself. | ||
| We've not hidden anything from you in the past. | ||
| We're not going to hide anything now. | ||
| I think the best way to say this is if you have a ticket, if you got a ticket to the first one and you want to come to the second one, that's cool. | ||
| But maybe give it a little bit of time to give people a chance who didn't... | ||
| Because, you know, hey, come on. | ||
| That's the idea we want everybody to call, you know, I don't know. | ||
| We want people to have a good time. | ||
| The last time... | ||
| Hold on, let me try and think about this. | ||
| The last time I was trying to sell tickets for something was a show that I was doing, and I was standing outside of a bar asking strangers if they wanted to wander in. | ||
| This is very uncharted territory for me. | ||
| Oh, those days. | ||
| Those barking days. | ||
| Those old... | ||
| Parking on the street days. | ||
| Or our live show at the Playground. | ||
| Ooh, good stuff. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Attendance of eight. | ||
| Yeah, I think somebody pointed out that the poster says it's our first live show, and that's not true. | ||
| We've done two live shows already. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But a total of 30 people have seen them, so... | ||
| No, we had a decent crowd in Austin, but I also think that the people at the venue might have added, like, Instagram and Facebook accounts that aren't ours. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| I think that they just tried to gather social media things, and I don't think those are ours. | ||
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Oh, well. | |
| Because we don't have a Facebook page. | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
| Okay, well. | ||
| Have fun with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode to do. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| And as discussed, we are going to be back in the present. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So I decided, hey, let's check in. | ||
| Let's see what was going on last week. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I tuned in on the sick. | ||
| I'm sorry, on the 9th. | ||
| And I was greeted by this. | ||
| In the third hour, Roger Stone's gonna join us to talk about Nixon's 109th birthday today. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| What? | ||
| Why? | ||
| What? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Wait, is he back? | ||
| He's not. | ||
| Okay, thank God. | ||
| And it's also his 110th birthday. | ||
| Alex has to correct himself later. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I was like, this isn't great. | ||
| So I jumped forward. | ||
| And so we're gonna be talking about the 12th today. | ||
| Thursday, the 12th. | ||
| Why does he sound so bad? | ||
| On the 9th. | ||
| Is that the audio? | ||
| Does that just sound bad now? | ||
| He might just sound bad as a person. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But we're going to jump to the 12th. | ||
| And one of the reasons for this was that the article in the... | ||
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HuffPost. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Yes, of course. | |
| Came out on Thursday. | ||
| I was thinking, eh, Alex might come out of the gate. | ||
| He's got to have something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Saying some stuff about, hey, look at these people trying to make a petty attack on me or something. | ||
| They're reading my texts. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So we'll get to this. | ||
| We'll check in on the 12th. | ||
| And see what happens. | ||
| But until then, before that... | ||
| But until then, we've got a website. | ||
| Sloppy Joe. | ||
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Sloppy Joe. | |
| That's what we'll do it. | ||
| Let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, I'm a sodomite with a Caribbean black accent, and I sent a bucket of poop to Jar Jar Binks. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, the great state of denial. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, happy little Miss Info Raccoon. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Dan Salmon. | ||
| Happy anniversary and sweet dreams. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| Are you excited about that? | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| So thank you so much to Lilith, the satanic trans witch. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above my enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little break now. | ||
| A little breaky for me, and then we're going to come back, and I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken off the air! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
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He's not. | |
| He's talking about Nixon's birthday. | ||
| Hey, happy birthday, Nixon. | ||
| Happy birthday. | ||
| R.I.P. | ||
| So on the 9th, Alex has Roger on for Nixon talk. | ||
| And also a lot of boring JFK talk. | ||
| Just boring-ass conspiracy JFK stuff. | ||
| Like, you could get this from anywhere. | ||
| There's no added wrinkle to it. | ||
| Although, Alex does refer to Roger as one of Nixon's only unindicted plumbers. | ||
| But Roger probably doesn't, maybe doesn't want that exact. | ||
| Title going on there. | ||
| But there's one clip that I just wanted to play. | ||
| This is after a lot of really boring talk. | ||
| Alex drops this. | ||
| And then I got some inside baseball too. | ||
| My grandmother in college dated LBJ's hitman. | ||
| She almost married him. | ||
| And he basically told her all about it as well. | ||
| Because LBJ was killing people all the time. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| My mom's mom here in Austin, Texas. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
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Stay with us. | |
| Good thing you clarified it was on your mom's side. | ||
| That was the thing that I was going to ask. | ||
| My next question obviously had nothing to do with LBJ murdering people left and right. | ||
| No, it was like, hey, which side of the family? | ||
| My grandma almost married LBJ's assassin. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| All right, buddy. | ||
| You know, that's... | ||
| When you go back in those relationships and you have those talks about what were your exes like? | ||
| Not many people can say that my ex was the wet work guy for LBJ. | ||
| That's a claim to fame. | ||
| And I would assume that person's probably dead by now, so Alex should name names. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Quite frankly. | ||
| He won't because this is bullshit. | ||
| Coward. | ||
| Anyway, we jump to the 12th here, and Alex has a big guest. | ||
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He is set to join us coming up in the next segment. | |
| Criminal investigations are being launched around the world about the poison shots. | ||
| Now the FDA has released the documents admitting it's causing mass heart attacks and cardiovascular crises. | ||
| Here's a promo Joe Rogan sent me yesterday. | ||
| It's a little satire piece, but it's very, very sick when you realize how real this is. | ||
| Are you suffering from a medical coincidence? | ||
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Are you or a loved one suffering from a medical coincidence? | |
| This is damning from an information and comedy perspective for Rogan. | ||
| If Rogan sent Alex this video, not funny, also based on bullshit. | ||
| Is that satire? | ||
| Yeah, I think technically. | ||
| I think it's unsuccessful, but it's in the genre. | ||
| Fair, fair. | ||
| I'll give it that. | ||
| So yeah, MTG coming on. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Wait, so where is... | ||
| I'm confused now as far as the... | ||
| Party affiliation line. | ||
| The alignments. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, because after the Kevin McCarthy thing. | ||
| Shifting allegiances. | ||
| Everybody's being an asshole all the time now, so who knows where everybody's standing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, yeah, that is something that has touched InfoWars, as there's some backlash among the audience. | ||
| They do not like Marjorie Taylor Greene as much anymore, because she did side with Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Alex has some interesting thoughts about that, which we'll get to. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that he's not considering where his bread is buttered, and what Marjorie, margarine, butter, bread... | ||
| You almost called me Devin. | ||
| I know, because you mixed up the word. | ||
| Now I'm screwing up. | ||
| No, I was just doing wordplay. | ||
| I was just doing simple word associations. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So yeah, I think that Alex doesn't quite understand the posture that Marjorie has struck with this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we'll get to that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But first, Alex comes out of the satire piece. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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| At Kauffman, schedule your appointment today at KauffmanCoincidence.com and receive a doctor's note with a real science-y sounding explanation to provide to your anti-vax friends, proving to them it was definitely not the vaccine that caused your coincidence. | ||
| Kauffman, because coincidences happen pretty much all the time. | ||
| And those coincidences are killing an extra 13% death rate compared to the years previous. | ||
| The highest death rate the planet's ever seen. | ||
| Did coincidence related deaths go up? | ||
| Thank you for joining us on this live Thursday, January 12th transmission. | ||
| MTG's been scheduled twice this week but had to move it because of all the voting going on. | ||
| But they're set to let out Congress early. | ||
| She's got a half day. | ||
| She's got a half day. | ||
| That just made me think of, like, being at school. | ||
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Oh, yay! | |
| We get to get out at one! | ||
| Margaret Taylor Greene gets out early today. | ||
| Oh, it's parent-teacher conferences day! | ||
| We get out early! | ||
| Yeah, and those numbers Alex is throwing out are just made up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, there's a lot of voting going on. | ||
| A whole lot of voting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's one vote in particular that Alex wants to bring up as a damning indictment of the Democratic Party. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Then we have another big piece of legislation. | ||
| 210 Democrats vote against a bill requiring medical care for babies born alive after an abortion attempt. | ||
| So infanticide that they're pushing to basically keep legal. | ||
| They've been doing it by fiat. | ||
| That's all coming up. | ||
| This isn't news. | ||
| It's already illegal under federal law to not provide emergency care in the super rare event that there's a live birth after an attempted abortion procedure. | ||
| This bill in the House was just grandstanding for the conservative base and an attempt to come up with a headline exactly like the one Alex is covering while also being an opportunity to attack access to reproductive health care. | ||
| They did the same thing in 2019 and it went nowhere except to rile up the base and to demonize the Democrats who voted against this pointless bill meant to stir up conflict. | ||
| Anyway, there's no way this bill will pass the Senate so it's kind of a moot point outside of the play that it gets in far-right media. | ||
| This specific bill was introduced by Representative Ann Wagner of Missouri, who also introduced this same bill in January 2021 and March 2019, and I have to guess if she's re-elected, it'll be the first thing she introduces in the next Congress. | ||
| This just happens all the time. | ||
| Yeah, I would say this bill, if you're going to take this bill seriously, then you should also take my bill seriously, the... | ||
| If the baby is born and we can demonstrably prove it's a demon at birth, you have to kill it, Bill. | ||
| Equally as likely to occur. | ||
| Equally as deadly. | ||
| Tough to get that one through the Senate, I assume. | ||
| I imagine so, and yet they're the same. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So, Marjorie Taylor Greene, one of the best. | ||
| I think Alex is like you were worrying about, a little bit out of step. | ||
| Well, she's got one of the best voting records in Congress. | ||
| She was joined by Gozer and others that have similar awesome America First records in supporting McCarthy. | ||
| She got a lot of criticism, but Trump was supporting McCarthy as well. | ||
| Here she is to tell us why she did it and what's on the agenda. | ||
| I know what Roger Stone says. | ||
| He says that small majority, that 20 members or so, or patriots, can now basically control the House and the entire agenda. | ||
| But why would we then want McCarthy to be in that position? | ||
| and I guess we're going to ask MTG that, So, yeah, the base is... | ||
| She's slipping away from MTG, because why wouldn't they? | ||
| They have other people who are willing to do the same inciting shit that they want her to do, or the reason they like her, and now she's doing stuff that is clearly meant to be in her best interest, and so fuck her, she's out, and Alex is still trying to hold on. | ||
| And hey, maybe I'm being rash. | ||
| She should be afforded the opportunity to explain herself, right? | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, unfortunately, Alex disagrees with you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we're doing a show where we listen to his show, so. | ||
| Fair enough, fair enough. | ||
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Ah, well. | |
| Well, I can just make it real short and sweet and let everyone know that the person you see right now is no different than the person you've known over the past two years. | ||
| And the reason why I didn't oppose Kevin McCarthy's speakership, because I knew there was no plan. | ||
| Against him, because no one else was truly running for speaker, and I was also already on board with the agenda that he had set forth and that many of us had worked with him on. | ||
| The great thing that people don't know about Kevin McCarthy is he has listened to us for the past two years, and he's truly listening to the American people. | ||
| He's working with President Trump all the time on the America First agenda. | ||
| I'm already on board for that, and I have truly hated. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi's speakership and watched her past Biden's agenda. | ||
| And for me, I just could not wait to have a Republican speaker. | ||
| I could not wait to have the gavel. | ||
| And I was ready to go for investigations that need to be done and ready to go for real work to undo all the awful things that Joe Biden has been able to accomplish with Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell helping her in the Senate. | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| Yeah, McConnell and Pelosi wearing coats. | ||
| What are we doing now? | ||
| What are we doing here, FTG? | ||
| She's still trying to hold on to a little bit of that crazy appeal. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, come on. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| I hate to say this, though, but she gets it. | ||
| No, no, no, she does. | ||
| She totally... | ||
| That's the problem, though. | ||
| I mean, that's why everybody is... | ||
| She's showing that she's maybe a little bit smarter or craftier than people maybe have given her credit for. | ||
| And understandably, I mean, she's said... | ||
| Completely nonsensical things, was into QAnon. | ||
| Understandable to think she doesn't have any instincts at all, but this is a good instinct. | ||
| And she's totally correct that there was no plan for anything here. | ||
| The opposing Kevin McCarthy, there wasn't a plan for leveraging it to get actual things for it. | ||
| There's nobody else who was a legitimate candidate. | ||
| And push comes to shove. | ||
| What are you going to end up doing? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| So she's right. | ||
| She's wrong about a lot of other stuff. | ||
| But in that sense that Matt Gaetz didn't have a plan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was being a dick. | ||
| No, the general idea was throw a tantrum. | ||
| See what happens. | ||
| And then whenever it turns out what happens is they'll capitulate and give you whatever you want. | ||
| Suddenly realize you didn't think that far ahead. | ||
| You didn't think about the asking part of hostage negotiations. | ||
| And hope to get some memes along the way. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| That's what your goal was to be a dick. | ||
| And all of a sudden you're like, wait, you want to give us power? | ||
| That's all it took. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| So Marjorie has another decent point here. | ||
| You know, you have, first of all, there was no plan. | ||
| Right. | ||
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There wasn't another person who was going to be made speaker. | |
| And then I just want everybody to understand, here's something very important, and I've got both of them in my hand. | ||
| This is the rules package right here. | ||
| This is the rules package that we had on January 1st. | ||
| The date's right here at the bottom. | ||
| And this was before we ever took the first vote for speaker. | ||
| And in this rules package, the only thing that got changed, and here's the second rules package. | ||
| This is on January 6th. | ||
| This was the final day that we voted for Speaker after 15 ballots. | ||
| The only thing changed in the rules package was the motion to vacate. | ||
| Went from one member of Congress, I mean, I'm sorry, five members of Congress. | ||
| It was five members in the original package on January 1st, and it went to one member on the motion to vacate on January 6th. | ||
| So if anyone is confused and thinks that a lot changed after the big fighting they saw on television, after 15 ballots, 20 Republicans opposing Kevin McCarthy, and a lot of negotiating. | ||
| Nothing changed in the rules, nothing changed in writing, but the motion to vacate from five members to one. | ||
| Okay, so just to be clear, I like seeing 20 members flex their muscle. | ||
| I like that the demonstration of power, kind of like Senator Mnuchin has been able to do a lot of good things. | ||
| He's certainly not perfect, but he blocked a lot of really bad things because they have a very slim majority, the Democrats too, in the Senate. | ||
| You guys can now do something similarly. | ||
| So, Roger explained to Alex recently that there's a dynamic where a small group of people in the house can be assholes and clog up the gears, essentially holding the legislative process hostage, and Alex has been really excited to bring it up a bunch lately. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| He's kind of like a schoolboy, proud to have learned a new word. | ||
| Also, he thinks Joe Manchin is named Mnuchin. | ||
| He calls him that constantly. | ||
| This is not just a slip of the tongue thing. | ||
| Treasury Secretary Senator Mnuchin. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Movie producer extraordinaire. | ||
| Alex is making an interesting pitch to MTG here, but the reality is that she's very publicly cited against that small group that Alex wants to flex their power. | ||
| I wouldn't be too surprised to see her occasionally find common cause with them, but in terms of the big picture, she made her position entirely clear, and that was that she sides with the part of the party that can actually get something done, as opposed to the side that's all about stalling and obfuscation. | ||
| We talked in the past about how she served an incredibly useful role for the GOP in the context of a Democrat-controlled House, even if she was attacking Republicans. | ||
| She was able to cause huge scenes and get into embarrassing fights with other members of Congress, and it all worked to delay any possibility of Democrats getting anything done. | ||
| However, that role is not useful once the GOP is in charge of the House and all of this stalling and grandstanding is being directed at them. | ||
| Marjorie knew exactly when to change strategies and I think she made the right call for herself. | ||
| she was getting in bed with was always going to turn on her eventually. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You don't stay on people like Nick Fuentes'good side for very long, and for people like... | |
| that if you're not as extreme as the most extreme people in the movement you're an option to be branded as a sellout if they need it yeah you can you're expendable if you're dealing with people like matt gates and lauren bobert it's probably really smart to exit that game of brinksmanship and make a very public statement uh in the speaker vote that's almost certainly the best time She's going to lose the nutty folks who were her primary base up till this point. | ||
| The good news there is that her district is so strongly Republican that as long as she wins her primary, she's essentially guaranteed re-election. | ||
| By buddying up with McCarthy and the GOP establishment, Marjorie has made it much less likely that she's going to end up running in a primary against a challenger who has support from the Republican establishment and the party and the fundraising and all that. | ||
| Kind of a big deal for her. | ||
| Other folks are going to be in a bind here, though. | ||
| People like Alex. | ||
| MGG is somebody that he's supported heavily because she's been willing to come on the show. | ||
| He wants that access to power and proximity to it, but the more he pursues connection with her, the more out of step with the audience he is going to become. | ||
| The extreme right thinks he's a sellout and a shill, which isn't great for the tip of the spear. | ||
| The real interest in having her on and associated with the show lies in her popularity with the far right, and as that erodes, it becomes less beneficial to have her on. | ||
| Anyway, well played, MTG. | ||
| Probably the best thing she could have done for her political career. | ||
| It's an interesting position for Alex to be put in, though, to see how long he sticks around here. | ||
| It seems so crazy to me because it's such a perfect, like, if you wanted to, this would be the way that you dealt with the system, as MTG is a perfect little, like, snapshot of her even now coming out being like, hey, guys. | ||
| All that grandstanding they did amounted to nothing, which might as well be her texting herself from five years ago being like, all you're doing is pointless. | ||
| It's a waste of everybody's fucking time. | ||
| But then, because she got enough of that power in there, now she's got the support of the party system behind her. | ||
| Regulatory capture, man. | ||
| Now she's part of the very system because the system is the thing that protects her. | ||
| That's what she wants to be part of, not part of the crazies anymore. | ||
| So the whole point of this is that they are exploiting the crazies to get to the place where they're safe and they don't have to listen. | ||
| I don't know if she understands it exactly like this, but her primary brand is not useful in the GOP now. | ||
| It's useful before. | ||
| Now, it's a liability. | ||
| It's just strategic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like playing chess. | ||
| A pawn cannot do the same thing a bishop can. | ||
| But it's remarkable that you could just do that. | ||
| You could just change up your brand. | ||
| You can just do it. | ||
| Because that's what America allows you to do. | ||
| Someone like her who goes to, like, America First conferences and, you know, speaks to these people. | ||
| And, like, that... | ||
| Person can just be like, oh, hey, I'm friends with McCarthy now. | ||
| Hey, now the party machine loves me. | ||
| I've always been a party person. | ||
| I'm a big Republican at heart. | ||
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It's strange. | |
| It doesn't matter what I said yesterday because they know I'm a liar. | ||
| I know they're liars. | ||
| We're all lying together. | ||
| It's strange that they would just go along with it because I think that there is a basic distrust that you should have. | ||
| A healthy distrust around someone. | ||
| Yeah, but that's why they have to make, you know, I mean, it is like, it's insane that you can do that, but on the other hand, you do have to remind yourself, they believe they're fighting the literal devil. | ||
| You know, like, sure, MTG can switch teams for how crazy we live. | ||
| Who believes that? | ||
| All of them fucking do! | ||
| All of them think the Democrats are literally evil. | ||
| Oh, well, we'll get to that in this next clip. | ||
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| Well, that was my next point. | ||
| I have the Fox News article, 210 Democrats vote against Bill requiring medical care for babies born alive after abortion attempt. | ||
| That is just unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, this just shows you how cold, heartless, and evil Democrats are, that they would literally vote against medical care for a baby that survived an abortion, a horrific attempted murder on this life. | ||
| And the baby is still born alive. | ||
| Democrats are voting to murder it. | ||
| You gotta murder. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I will write the bill. | ||
| It's called the don't get away law. | ||
| If a baby is aborted and accidentally gets born alive, guess what? | ||
| You gotta kill it. | ||
| You gotta kill it. | ||
| Because then it'll look bad for the abortion provider. | ||
| That's what I'm really thinking about here. | ||
| So you're into small businesses. | ||
| I'm into small businesses. | ||
| I don't want them to get the bad rap for always giving birth to their abortions. | ||
| I can't side with you on this. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, obviously, I think you're right in as much as they demonize the opponent still. | ||
| There's still a great deal of that. | ||
| But this friction inner party is not going to sustain. | ||
| It's not going to be sustainable. | ||
| And obviously, who ends up having the most power is people who are able to negotiate and able to compromise. | ||
| Because there is... | ||
| A certain amount of the Democratic people in Congress that could be swayed. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So these folks, the 20-whatever people in the House who are these, oh, we're fringe, we're going to block everything. | ||
| Realistically, if the GOP just has sensible, middle-of-the-road kind of stuff they want to get done, a number of Democrats will come over. | ||
| Yeah, but on the other hand, they don't. | ||
| True. | ||
| So that's part of the problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because, I mean, this whole speaker thing, here's what they could have done. | ||
| They could have squeezed the far right. | ||
| They could have squeezed him and been like, hey, you guys want to be dicks. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| We can get 10 Democrats if we change these rules. | ||
| We'll just get 10 Democrats. | ||
| Speaker Kevin will be there. | ||
| We'll have these rules and you guys can go fuck yourself. | ||
| But I think that there's probably... | ||
| But they can't do that. | ||
| But there's also more strategic value probably for the Democrats to not go along with that. | ||
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Oh, of course. | |
| And allow the party to be shown to have this serious fracture in it. | ||
| So then you squeeze him and what winds up happening is we have 15 votes. | ||
| Only one thing got changed in the rules package that meant nothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So anyway, we've got culture wars. | ||
| Now, they're set, Fox News is reporting, to try to ban all gas heaters and stoves. | ||
| Those are incredibly clean sources of heat and energy, including our food. | ||
| What are you going to do about that? | ||
| I think it's appalling, and we have to stop it. | ||
| And I want you to know, the vote that I just had an hour ago, Republicans voted to stop any of our oil and our strategic petroleum reserves to be sold to China. | ||
| That was something that we just got done today. | ||
| But this attack on the gas industry is appalling, and it's America last. | ||
| America last! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| This was a fake fight that was being waged in the culture wars last week over the idea that Biden was going to ban gas stoves. | ||
| In reality, How direct is that association? | ||
| It's unclear, but there are researchers who have drawn conclusions that are troubling. | ||
| Electric stoves are more safe from a few standpoints and the major player in the push to fight against these regulations against gas is naturally the fossil fuel industry. | ||
| Obviously, these fossil fuel companies have lobbied hard against regulations even though studies have been coming out for at least the past 30 years demonstrating health risks associated with gas stoves. | ||
| The fossil fuel industry? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In a June 2021 article in Mother Jones, Rebecca Lieber brings up a story of an account manager for a PR firm posing as a normal person on Nextdoor who is riling up people against ominous fears of a coming gas ban. | ||
| They have paid influencers on social media to boost gas stoves over electric ones. | ||
| And now, people like Alex, MTG, and the rest of the dumb-dumb folks in the far-right media are doing all that work for free. | ||
| Ultimately, the lesson here is that if you want a way to get a ton of free marketing for something, turn it into a stupid culture war issue. | ||
| If your product can be sold as owning the libs, people will buy it just to virtue signal. | ||
| It'll be amazing. | ||
| Just so much free press. | ||
| It should be disqualifying. | ||
| For anybody, because I read about the gas stove thing. | ||
| Somebody had an explainer. | ||
| For what was going on while I wasn't paying attention. | ||
| Apparently everyone was fighting over pretend. | ||
| Again! | ||
| Again! | ||
| I mean, it's just sort of the normal. | ||
| It's just what we do now. | ||
| It should be stopped. | ||
| Well, you can opt out. | ||
| I mean like a politician. | ||
| That should be disqualifying. | ||
| If you're like, oh, it's time to rally around gas. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I don't care what. | ||
| Even if you're right. | ||
| Even if you're right. | ||
| You're overreacting to gas stoves. | ||
| We've got bigger shit. | ||
| Maybe we don't. | ||
| Yes, we do! | ||
| It's a war on energy. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| So Alex says something in this next clip that got me a little excited. | ||
| At 2 Central, I'm going to be on Piers Morgan's show that's the top show in the UK. | ||
| It's also broadcast here in the US and it's online. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When he does big interviews, I get about 10 million views on YouTube. | ||
| I really look forward to that. | ||
| I haven't debated Piers Morgan since. | ||
| 2013, almost 10 years ago, and that was the biggest event that year in ratings-wise on CNN. | ||
| This will be an hour-long debate. | ||
| I'm going to be friendly and nice if he lets me talk, but if he tries to run over me, well, you know what happens. | ||
| We sure do. | ||
| Wait, let me ask you a question. | ||
| Has this already taken place? | ||
| Yeah, and guess what? | ||
| How long did it last? | ||
| As soon as I heard that clip, I said, fuck it, that's what we're talking about today, so we're going to cover the Pierce Morgan interview. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nice turn. | ||
| Nice turn. | ||
| I know it didn't last an hour. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It might have... | ||
| The total is... | ||
| I think his show is an hour. | ||
| And he interviewed Alex for, like, I think 36 minutes is the total of the runtime that I got. | ||
| That was what was played. | ||
| But also, maybe it's an hour with commercials. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because there are a few commercial breaks. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But, hey, guess what? | ||
| Doesn't go great. | ||
| Doesn't go great. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| So we covered the initial Piers Morgan interview back in the 2013 interview. | ||
| And of course the fallout where Alex showed up at a Piers Morgan remote at a gun shop and begged him to come back on the show. | ||
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Please! | |
| Please! | ||
| We made such good content together! | ||
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Our fight was fun! | |
| So many people... | ||
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I get so many more viewers because I yelled at you about going back to the UK. | |
| Hey, come on now. | ||
| And then Alex started a change.org petition to get Piers Morgan deported. | ||
| Yeah, deported. | ||
| Deported. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| Straight up deported. | ||
| That's a little bit more extreme than cancel culture, I think. | ||
| There is a little bit to that. | ||
| There is a little bit to that. | ||
| So yeah, I guess for whatever reason, Piers decided, hey, on the... | ||
| 10th anniversary or so of that. | ||
| Let's do it again, buddy. | ||
| Whatever casting producer had that idea needs to get fired immediately. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| But also tough to resist. | ||
| I mean, like, this, his show is... | ||
| Fairly boring, for the most part. | ||
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True. | |
| And where my curiosity latches onto is where my heart is drawn. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And to see the rematch between Piers Morgan and Alex Jones at such different points of Alex's and Piers' relative careers. | ||
| It is interesting to see how both of them are pieces of shit that everyone dislikes, and yet are still around. | ||
| Well, I mean, what channel is Piers even on? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alex is on InfoWars. | ||
| How is it that we can't get rid of these guys as a society? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think there's a momentum. | ||
| That's just, at a certain point, the snowball's rolling down the hill. | ||
| Yeah, you're there. | ||
| You're just gonna see what happens. | ||
| No one's gonna get rid of you. | ||
| And with Alex, I think he would have bowed out of public life if he had a tiny bit of shame. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And that element works pretty strongly for him. | ||
| And maybe the same for Pierce. | ||
| Yeah, I was gonna say, it helped Pierce a great deal to not have any shame, too. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
| We've got to get some of that no having shame thing. | ||
| That makes a lot of money. | ||
| I enjoy some of the borders and boundaries that shame provides. | ||
| So, in this first clip here from Pierre's interview, he introduces the conversation. | ||
| Free speech has its limits. | ||
| Even in America, with its fabled First Amendment, there are limits. | ||
| You can't famously run into a theater in America and shout fire and create a stampede where people might die. | ||
| So there are limits to free speech all around the world. | ||
| But my guest tonight, well, he tests free speech to, I would argue, its breaking point. | ||
| His name is Alex Jones. | ||
| He's a hugely influential, to many people, a very dangerous conspiracy theorist. | ||
| He's made himself hugely rich, peddling a lot of lies. | ||
| This is what happened when we met last, debating gun laws a decade ago on CNN. | ||
| How many gun murders were there in Britain? | ||
| How many great white sharks? | ||
| Kill people every year, but they're scared to swim. | ||
| And I'm here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. | ||
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But you've got hordes of people burning down cities and beating old women's brains out every day. | |
| Let's try again. | ||
| How many gun murders were there in Britain last year? | ||
| How many chimpanzees can dance on the head of a pin? | ||
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| Well, I've not spoken to Alex Jones in an interview format since that day. | ||
| Spoke to him in a gunshot. | ||
| He is now, I would say comfortably, the world's most notorious conspiracy theorist. | ||
| As I say, I defend everybody's right to an honestly held opinion. | ||
| I defend everyone's right to use words of their choice. | ||
| But that doesn't mean they're not accountable for those words. | ||
| And I don't think Alex Jones necessarily trades in honestly held opinions. | ||
| Now there is one of the only reasons that I think that this is a worthwhile interview to do. | ||
| And that is that Piers is willing to say to Alex, I don't even think you believe this shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| I don't think you, like... | ||
| That's where we've come in ten years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is a definite sense of, like, what's the point of having this interview? | ||
| What is going to be gained from this? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And I do think that there are very few people who are willing to be that confrontational, like, with Alex. | ||
| I think you're inauthentic, and I don't think you mean any of this. | ||
| I don't think you even believe what you're saying. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so... | ||
| You know, for whatever reason, Piers is situated in a place where he can say that to Alex, and Alex will show up. | ||
| And that is kind of a rare circumstance. | ||
| Rogan won't say it to him. | ||
| He won't show up for some actually confrontational interview with someone who would... | ||
| You know, hold his feet to the fire. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And so this is maybe the best you can get. | ||
| And Piers is in the place where this is something that he needs to do on account of, like, Alex being a gigantic universal piece of shit gives him free access to points to make himself look like he's not a bigger piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
| So that's why he's having Alex on there. | ||
| But he's also, he's been, like, he had Ye on. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I think he's... | ||
| He's collecting giant pieces of shit to make himself look a little bit better next to him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I hate to say this, but I've got to defend Alex a little on this next clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Very few tragedies have ever moved me the way that Sandy Hook did. | ||
| I was on air at CNN at the time that that story broke. | ||
| Twenty children, aged between six and seven, were murdered by a lunatic with a semi-automatic rifle. | ||
| Alex Jones told his many followers within a few hours it was all a hoax, a government hoax, a deep state plot to justify seizing guns. | ||
| He said that the grieving families were actors. | ||
| The general public doesn't know the school was actually closed the year before. | ||
| They don't know they've sealed it all, demolished the building. | ||
| They don't know that they have the kids going in circles in and out of the building as a photo op. | ||
| This is a little bit disingenuous and if I were Piers I wouldn't have done things this way. | ||
| Everything he's saying is true and the clip of Alex is a fair representation of things Alex said but because of the way it's presented Alex stands to be able to say it's taken out of context. | ||
| Piers is saying that Alex said the event was fake within hours then plays that clip which is from years later which does kind of give a slightly incorrect perception. | ||
| If people aren't familiar with the story it could lend to the image that Alex was promoting these far more elaborate Yeah. | ||
| All in all, nothing incorrect is being said, but I would be more careful with this presentation when dealing with someone like Alex. | ||
| You don't want to give him the opportunity to make valid complaints. | ||
| Yeah, and also, he did question it on the day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So take a clip from that. | |
| You don't need to zhuzh it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know? | |
| I think you want to come in with the big, more overt things that Alex said. | ||
| Yeah, I get that, but here, I feel like if you're on TV, just show, like, on the day of Sandy Hook, you know, like, have one of those big chyrons saying, on this day, Alex says this, you know? | ||
| Yeah, and if you need to do this with the kind of better clips, what you could do is say he, you know, he said it was... | ||
| Did it within hours, and here's him years later still doing... | ||
| Yeah, play a little bit of the day of, and then it went on and escalated to... | ||
| Blank. | ||
| It would be a more kind of accurate way to present it. | ||
| But, you know, I'm just considering for the potential people who are watching who aren't super familiar with all this. | ||
| I think where we are in the world of media is if you say a date and then play a clip, the clip needs to be from or about that date. | ||
| And if it is not, then you are providing, and it's a small thing, you know, it's not huge. | ||
| You just don't want to open options. | ||
| It's almost like a visual grammar, you know. | ||
| It's like you're using your pronouns wrong if you're refusing. | ||
| It's just how people will understand. | ||
| Exactly, yes. | ||
| So, Piers does not like what Alex does, but Voltaire, something or other. | ||
| I have made my views clear about that. | ||
| But I also think that it's right that I should interview him tonight. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He wanted to come up and talk to me and to explain what's gone down here and where he's found himself, which is facing a $1.5 billion... | ||
| Never get tired of hearing that. | ||
| And I do believe that people should be allowed to express themselves as long as they're held to account and they're challenged on that. | ||
| And that's what we're going to do tonight with Alex Jones. | ||
| So my guest tonight is Alex Jones. | ||
| He's over in Texas in America. | ||
| Alex, good evening to you. | ||
| Piers, it's good to be here with you after 10 years in the biggest news event on CNN. | ||
| In 2013, so the circle is now complete. | ||
| Just right out the gate being a piece of asshole. | ||
| I gave you your best ratings. | ||
| Oh my god, Alex! | ||
| Already! | ||
| Already, man! | ||
| Kiss the ring, peers. | ||
| Just say hi! | ||
| Kiss the ring. | ||
| Just say hi! | ||
| You're nothing without me. | ||
| Oh god. | ||
| What an asshole! | ||
| Pretty. | ||
| It's a little aggressive. | ||
| It's passive aggressive. | ||
| But, you know, I think that there is an unanswerable question about that. | ||
| Like, yeah, why are you having him on? | ||
| And I think you can get a sense that maybe Alex asked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he said he wanted to come on. | ||
| Yeah, I think Alex asked. | ||
| So maybe Alex reached out and was like, hey, you had yay on. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You'd talk to me. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| And I think that's why Alex is on there, because there's, I mean, Piers is not reaching out to Alex. | ||
| Why would he? | ||
| He had yay on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if he wanted to talk about that, then he got what he wanted out of it, you know? | ||
| Well, but the $1.5 billion judgment is maybe the timely thing that Piers would want to talk about. | ||
| True. | ||
| But, yeah, it strikes me as a possibility that Alex reached out. | ||
| And if so... | ||
| Maybe not worth it. | ||
| And I mean, I believe that because it is something where it's like, oh, well, they have yay on, so I'm in the ballpark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I could go. | ||
| I won't be precluded. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I wouldn't be, if I sent an email saying, can I come on the show, they wouldn't be like, ha ha ha ha, you suck. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, you know, the Sandy Hook is obviously a big topic of conversation. | ||
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| And so, Alex, you'll see him throw out pretty much all of his... | ||
| He's not the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| A lot of normal talking points. | ||
| But you just spent eight minutes saying a lot of things that were true, a lot of things that weren't true. | ||
| So I'd like to address that right now if I can. | ||
| When I came on your show months and months after Sandy Hook, in the CNN studios in New York, I never said it didn't happen. | ||
| I never sent people to their houses. | ||
| When the internet went totally viral in the next year, questioning it with anomalies, I did cover 23 minutes, is what they introduced in court, over the next few years a few times. | ||
| We're talking five, six shows. | ||
| What the internet was questioning on my call-in radio show with a document cam on air. | ||
| But I did not build my career off Sandy Hook. | ||
| I barely, not even one-tenth of one percent covered it. | ||
| And so to say that... | ||
| I sent people to harass families or I peed on the graves of the children. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| I didn't say you sent anyone to do anything. | ||
| Alex, I want to have a reasonable... | ||
| Let me just say, I want to have a reasonable conversation. | ||
| I want to get into the screaming match that it descended into last time. | ||
| I think that's futile of everyone watching. | ||
| I got bad news, buddy. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, what are you doing here? | ||
| You know exactly what's going to happen. | ||
| What are you doing here? | ||
| How dare you, sir? | ||
| Every single person who's listening to our podcast knows that this is going to deteriorate into a screen. | ||
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100%. | |
| Yes. | ||
| And you know it, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know you know it, not least of which, because you know that that's a button you can press whenever you want. | ||
| You can say something enough to make him go crazy, and then you can say, this interview is over. | ||
| People who don't know who Alex is, people who don't know who Piers is, They know this is going to deteriorate into a screaming match. | ||
| But it is kind of notable that Alex is kind of a robot. | ||
| There is something to be said. | ||
| It's rote. | ||
| He's just saying these things that he always says that aren't true. | ||
| These bullshit talking points about how he's not so bad. | ||
| And Pierce is just like, I didn't say that stuff. | ||
| Let's try and actually have a back and forth. | ||
| And Alex... | ||
| Like a little titty baby. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| Just being like, hey, you talk for eight minutes. | ||
| This is going to be a thing that pops up a bunch, and it's one of the markers, I think, of people who suck, and that is the, like, you're not giving me my time. | ||
| Can I finish? | ||
| Can I finish? | ||
| You won't let me talk. | ||
| Especially for someone like Alex, who steamrolls. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Piers gets a question out, and I don't think this is a question Alex is going to answer. | ||
| You find yourself in a very bad place right now. | ||
| You're facing paying out potentially $1.5 billion to these families. | ||
| You ask yourself, how did I get here? | ||
| You said that you don't have that money, you can't pay that money. | ||
| So far you haven't paid any of the money. | ||
| How do you feel, first of all, about the fact that you've faced this gigantic, well, victory for the families and defeat for you? | ||
| Okay, so you did eight minutes and 45 seconds. | ||
| I got 30 seconds. | ||
| I will answer your question in a moment. | ||
| I want to get something completely straight. | ||
| I came on your show months and months and months and months after it happened. | ||
| I blamed the serotonin reuptake inhibitors, the antidepressants. | ||
| I blamed the mother hitting the gun on your show. | ||
| So the claim that I first questioned Sandy Hook or I first did it was a bunch of professors and a bunch of media people became a huge story. | ||
| I looked at it and said, yeah. | ||
| We've seen WMDs in Iraq. | ||
| We've seen Operation Northwoods. | ||
| We see Jussie Smollett later. | ||
| You saw that then? | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Thousands of fake doctors online saying the shot was safe and effective and protected you. | ||
| Something you've come out and said was wrong and was a lie. | ||
| So I always questioned every major event, but I did not make my bones on Sandy Hook. | ||
| I barely covered it on your show. | ||
| Months and months and months after it happened, I did not cover it long after. | ||
| Listen, you may well categorize this as a very small part of your career. | ||
| Unfortunately for you, it's now become this gigantic part of your career because of the nature of this payout. | ||
| That's totally true, so let me respond to your question. | ||
| My first question is simply to ask you, what did you feel about the size of the payout you've been ordered to pay? | ||
| Feels good! | ||
| I feel great! | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Have you ever seen $1.5 billion stacked on top of itself in pennies? | ||
| It goes to the moon. | ||
| Yeah, I don't feel great about that. | ||
| Don't feel great. | ||
| I would rather go to the moon. | ||
| I'd rather be in exile. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I don't think this question is going to get answered either. | ||
| Doubtful. | ||
| There is this through line that Alex keeps coming to that is like, I said on your show that I didn't say it was fake there. | ||
| And that's not really a defense. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Because that's not the accusation. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| So yeah, how do you feel about that payoff? | ||
| Your Honor, I didn't kill him in the water park, so I didn't get- Oh, no, you're- Well, I did kill him there. | ||
| Yeah, okay, good point. | ||
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Never mind. | |
| Never mind. | ||
| No, I see where we're having a problem. | ||
| So we're only, like, minutes into this, and you can already tell Alex is starting to get pissed. | ||
| I was gonna say, I feel like Pierce at any point in time could just be like, oh, I get why we didn't do this in ten years. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Let's just stop. | ||
| I think that that is, without spoiling anything, the thing he says at the end. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex is a little pissed. | ||
| What did you feel about the size of the payout you've been ordered to pay and the fact that you suffered one of the biggest losses of any lawsuit of that nature in modern history? | ||
| Well, I mean, it's not one of the biggest. | ||
| It's the biggest. | ||
| So if you actually went inside baseball and know what actually went on, I'm really happy to tell you. | ||
| I'm more interested, Alex, in how you built this empire. | ||
| And I'm going to come to how you built it in a moment. | ||
| You built this empire as a very provocative. | ||
| Many would argue they found you very entertaining as well. | ||
| High energy. | ||
| You know, mischief-making shock jock, for want of a better phrase, who went on the airwaves and said a lot of very controversial things and built up a very big following and made a vast amount of money doing it. | ||
| I mean, you wouldn't dispute any of that, right? | ||
| That's not attacking you. | ||
| That's just a statement of fact. | ||
| So listen, I'm happy to come on, but you've had 90% of the talk talk. | ||
| Here's my show. | ||
| I just want you to answer. | ||
| Again, I don't want to have a confrontational interview. | ||
| Bad news. | ||
| If you're asking, how do you feel about losing, and someone says, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You've talked already for so much. | ||
| This is going to be confrontational. | ||
| I need to correct the record. | ||
| This is going to be confrontational. | ||
| I asked you how you feel. | ||
| Alex may be not in touch with his feelings. | ||
| How's your day go today? | ||
| Now listen, I've let you talk for five minutes already! | ||
| Pierce, do you want your best ratings ever? | ||
| Because I can give them to you, but... | ||
| It's going to require a shouting match. | ||
| It's going to be a fight. | ||
| It's going to be a fight. | ||
| So Alex explains his path with Sandy Hook because that's when he really wants Pierce to understand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, nothing he says is true. | ||
| I was going to say, there's no way he tells any true things at all. | ||
| I think almost everything except for him saying that Austin is a liberal area. | ||
| Outside of stuff like that, I don't think anything he says in this clip is true. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| As I say, you've built this big empire, and now the entire empire has been imperiled by losing this lawsuit. | ||
| I mean, you wouldn't dispute that. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have more than 15 offers right now on huge networks if my system goes under. | ||
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No way. | |
| Let me just explain something to you, and let's talk facts, okay? | ||
| Here's a timeline of ten and a half years, or ten years, two months since Sandy Hook. | ||
| It happens the first year. | ||
| I don't think it's staged. | ||
| It becomes a huge internet thing that it's staged. | ||
| I have a few debates. | ||
| I have a few guests on. | ||
| I cover it. | ||
| I said, yeah, it could be staged. | ||
| So much stuff is staged. | ||
| Then I go two-plus years, 2015 into 16, never discussing it. | ||
| This all came out in a lawsuit. | ||
| And then they run against Trump. | ||
| Hillary runs $30 million of TV ads showing edited clips of me saying synthetic event never happened. | ||
| And then Trump still wins. | ||
| And we now learned, after the lawsuits, they hired a high-powered New York think tank PR firm to then make it a huge story. | ||
| Tens of thousands of articles, thousands of newscasts about me in 2016-17 about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I go, whoa. | ||
| Those anomalies, I heard those professors and people were wrong. | ||
| I think it happened. | ||
| Nobody sued me. | ||
| Go on Joe Rogan. | ||
| Apologize. | ||
| Do a whole apology to her because I wasn't sophisticated back then. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I think it happened. | ||
| I barely covered it. | ||
| Then, They sue me once I apologize. | ||
| They have a judge in Texas, in Austin, as a liberal in San Francisco, and in Connecticut, sue me. | ||
| Then I give them all my text, all my documents, which they show in court, but say I gave them no documents. | ||
| They default me. | ||
| First time in modern U.S. history, I'm found guilty by judges, and juries then have hearings on how guilty I am. | ||
| Then they have a false... | ||
| Financial expert get up and say, I'm worth $400 million. | ||
| At the time they did that six months ago in that hearing in Texas, in that kangaroo operation, I had like $3 million in the bank. | ||
| Well, you see, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let me jump in. | ||
| But see, hold on, Peter. | ||
| You're buying. | ||
| But you can't just keep talking, Alex. | ||
| Let me just explain to you what I think. | ||
| He can. | ||
| Oh, God forbid I get a third of the time you get. | ||
| That's my show. | ||
| That's the way it works. | ||
| On your show, you get 90% of the time on your show if I was a guest on your show. | ||
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I get it. | |
| You don't want to... | ||
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What a baby. | |
| That's just awful. | ||
| But like... | ||
| That's all not true. | ||
| That's fantastical fiction if I've ever heard it. | ||
| Yeah, so basically what you have there is that Alex has constructed this false version of what happened in his life because the truth looks really bad. | ||
| When he's in a confrontational interview setting like this one, as inaccurate as it is to say that Piers Morgan is confrontational, Alex pulls out this storyline. | ||
| You notice, though, that when he's sitting down with a sympathetic ear like Glenn Greenwald, Alex will joke around about how he was drunk on air saying this stuff. | ||
| He wouldn't try that here because Piers wouldn't take that as a sign that Alex is cool like Glenn does. | ||
| It would be really sad and fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it would be like... | ||
| Do you recognize how big of a problem it is that you would do something like this because you were drunk on air? | ||
| Do you know that number of things that should be realized before we get to this point is crazy. | ||
| He doesn't need to throw out this elaborate fake story with folks who are like, hey, I'm Glenn Greenwald, you're cool. | ||
| What I find fascinating about this version of events that he's telling, this story version, is that it's almost like, His version of like, you know, oh, the mainstream media is full of shit and they're all stupid, but everything is true if it's in the mainstream media, I'll use it to prove how right I am. | ||
| This is almost like the story of what a real person would do. | ||
| If they had found themselves in this type of situation, a human being might have gone through a very similar series of sounding events. | ||
| Oh yeah, because Alex needs to portray himself as just... | ||
| As a human being, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm an everyman. | ||
| Look, I made a mistake and I tried to right the wrong and then as soon as I apologized... | ||
| The machine came on me! | ||
| I was over my head. | ||
| I was naive back then. | ||
| I went on an apology tour. | ||
| We've all seen all that bullshit. | ||
| By the way, I need to correct that. | ||
| He didn't apologize on Rogan. | ||
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He didn't apologize on Rogan at all! | |
| He lied to Rogan's face, and then Rogan came back on the next episode and said, I looked into some of the stuff Alex said, and it's not true. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| Yeah, Alex lied about his own past. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Apology tour my ass. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Piers plays a clip of one of the Sandy Hook family members. | ||
| And mic down for this, because Alex's response to this is unbelievable. | ||
| This is callous. | ||
| Let's have a normal debate. | ||
| I want to play you a clip. | ||
| This is a clip of one of the parents from Sandy Hook. | ||
| We've talked about this at length now. | ||
| Nicole Hockley. | ||
| And I want to talk after this clip. | ||
| I want you to just listen to what she had to say to me recently on the show. | ||
| He did his first broadcast saying that he thought this was a false flag when I was still in the firehouse and I didn't even know if my child was alive or dead yet. | ||
| He started off within two and a half hours of the shooting and has kept putting out video after video for year after year after year. | ||
| And calling us all crisis actors, calling our children, you know, either that they were never killed or they were never alive in the first place, that we're traitors, that we're treasonous, and that we're government shills. | ||
| It's been very difficult. | ||
| It's been easy to turn off some of it, but some of these people have been incredibly dangerous. | ||
| And when he says, when he stokes this anger in his base, this fear, and then incites them to action by saying, you know, we need to investigate this. | ||
| You need to look into this more. | ||
| They come at us. | ||
| So part of it's just social media comments, which can be damaging. | ||
| It's defaming. | ||
| It's hurting your reputation. | ||
| People, I don't know if I'm walking around who thinks I'm real and who thinks I'm an actress. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Damaging to my son's memory in terms of his life, his short six-year-old life. | ||
| It's damaging to my surviving son because I don't know what he's going to deal with going forward. | ||
| But it's also scared the living daylights out of me. | ||
| I sleep with weapons by my bedside. | ||
| I've received death threats. | ||
| I've received harassing calls and mail. | ||
| I've had people send me pictures of dead children because they say, as a crisis actor, you have no idea what a dead child looks like, so let me send you this picture so you can see it. | ||
| This is stuff that has really not only just been distressing, it's disturbing. | ||
| And in terms of security, you know, I'm just a mom. | ||
| I'm just trying to look after my surviving son, run my organization, and make some good in the world. | ||
| I didn't choose to be part of this. | ||
| Alex Jones chose to tell lies. | ||
| Knowing that they were lies and continuing to harbor that lie and make it happen for his own profit. | ||
| What's your reaction to that woman who lost her son Dylan at Sandy Hook? | ||
| Total garbage. | ||
| Never said her name. | ||
| Only person's name I said was Robbie Parker. | ||
| 30-something million views on YouTube. | ||
| He was laughing. | ||
| Everything suddenly started crying. | ||
| So your response to that woman's incredibly powerful... | ||
| So you're going to give me five seconds? | ||
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How can your first response be total garbage? | |
| This is... | ||
| Well, I guess I can't do this interview. | ||
| People have to go to Infowars.com later and I'll respond to you. | ||
| You're not letting me talk. | ||
| I never said her name. | ||
| Under Connecticut and Texas law, you can't sue somebody for defamation if you never said their name. | ||
| First of all, not everyone was suing Alex for defamation. | ||
| A number of plaintiffs were suing for intentional infliction of emotional distress, which doesn't require him saying their name. | ||
| But even beyond that, what a coward Alex is. | ||
| Confronted with this person's experience and how his actions have affected her life so negatively and continues to affect her child's life, all he can muster up is trying to bait peers into a fight and a weak-ass, meaningless legal technicality that he thinks gets him off the hook. | ||
| This is detestable stuff. | ||
| Garbage. | ||
| Listen, I'm not arguing that anything that she said is true. | ||
| I'm saying that because I didn't say her name, it's fine for me to do that to her. | ||
| See, so I didn't say her name so I can go on about ruining her life for money. | ||
| I don't understand why everybody is bobbing with me. | ||
| Why is everyone mad at me? | ||
| Why is everyone mad at me? | ||
| I went on an apology tour like this interview we're having right now. | ||
| I'm so apologetic. | ||
| I'm just a good guy. | ||
| I'm just a regular guy. | ||
| And Pierce, why won't you? | ||
| You let me talk. | ||
| I don't know why I'm not getting a lie. | ||
| It's almost like you think I'm going to lie to you. | ||
| So anyway, understandably, Alex wants to change the subject. | ||
| Yeah, that would sound right. | ||
| I was on your show months and months after it happened and said it happened and said it was Prozac. | ||
| I looked at both of the views and they clipped that out to attach themselves to me on air. | ||
| I never talked about that woman. | ||
| I didn't even know who she was. | ||
| You said it was a hoax, Alex. | ||
| You said it was a hoax. | ||
| You said it was phony as a $3 bill. | ||
| You said the entire thing is a giant hoax. | ||
| Remember, the White House has been running the fake Bin Laden raid. | ||
| People just know there's a lot of fraud going on. | ||
| Here's what I'm going to say to you, Piers. | ||
| Wait a second, Alex. | ||
| Piers, let me talk for five seconds. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| You sent me a list of topics. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| You sent me a list of topics. | ||
| I'm going to come to those. | ||
| And I said I'd come on, and one of them is Sandy Hook. | ||
| I'm on for an hour. | ||
| Let's talk about the Davos group. | ||
| Let's talk about the Red Ukraine. | ||
| Let's talk about internet censorship. | ||
| Let's talk about the vaccines. | ||
| Then are we going to talk about other topics? | ||
| Because they live off me. | ||
| I didn't make money off Sandy Hook. | ||
| They don't live off you. | ||
| They got $73 million from Remington. | ||
| They live off Sandy Hook. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's what I would say to you. | ||
| Maybe one of the reasons that they have a problem with you and what you did is that you were saying on air things like... | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| ...you've got parents laughing. | ||
| Ha, ha, ha. | ||
| Then they walk over to the camera and go boo-hoo-hoo. | ||
| And not just one, but a bunch of parents doing this. | ||
| And then photos of kids that are still alive, they say dead. | ||
| I mean, they think we're so dumb. | ||
| These were parents who were in... | ||
| Yes, I told you that I said the Robbie Parker thing. | ||
| ...in the grip of unbelievable trauma. | ||
| Yeah, listen. | ||
| And Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Clinton, was asked by Leslie Stahl in 60 Minutes that Clinton tripled sanctions on Iraq to kill 2 million people, 500,000 children. | ||
| She said it was a good thing to do. | ||
| She'd do it again. | ||
| I didn't kill 500,000 children. | ||
| If that's the standard Alex wants to be judged by, then hooray! | ||
| He's less ethically condemnable than someone who killed half a million people. | ||
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| Congratulations, you made it under that limbo bar. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if that's how we're going to start our justice system all over again, with first we gotta deal with everybody who's got over a half a million body count. | ||
| It's going to be tough to get going. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, Alex is being, you know, he's being really combative with the you're not letting me talk. | ||
| He's given his normal talking points of misrepresenting the things that he did in terms of Sandy Hook. | ||
| And those things aren't working. | ||
| And so now you have this kind of a dodge. | ||
| I'm not as bad as Madeline Albright. | ||
| These are the kinds of things that if you're an interviewer, you just have to ignore. | ||
| It's all distraction, and the knee-jerk shit that Alex throws out to try to pivot out of uncomfortable conversations. | ||
| Anytime someone is asking about his culpability, he'll deny that he's in for anything, and then as things proceed and he can't really claim that anymore, he'll say something like he was right about Jussie Smollett or how he's not as bad as Madeleine Albright. | ||
| All of it is meaningless shit that's just meant to distract from lines of questioning that he wants to avoid. | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| That's the next stage of his sort of avoidance technique. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why listening to Piers be like, Alex, maybe here's what I'm in my head. | ||
| I'm just like, what are you doing? | ||
| Stop this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop this noise. | ||
| I have a certain thought about what he's trying to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that there may be an interesting reason to try this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll just lay it out a little bit. | ||
| I think he's trying to treat Alex like a baby. | ||
| Well, yeah, obviously. | ||
| I think that there is an attempt to not be super disrespectful, but treat him like the emotional maturity level that he gives off just to see if there is even a baseline of understanding. | ||
| Oh, well, I mean, yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| He wouldn't know that by treating Alex like a six-year-old bully of the type that he is, You wouldn't still be able to get through to him any sense of morality. | ||
| Well, I think that there's a question of whether you could. | ||
| And I think this is a demonstration that you can. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I would have assumed, but... | ||
| But I think that maybe prior to it, you know, peers wouldn't know. | ||
| Is it possible to interact with him as a baby? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, is that a conversation they had where it's like, maybe what we need to do is imagine we're in the principal's office. | ||
| In third grade, and we're just going to talk to him as though, like, he's literally an alien who's never heard of morality before, of like, here's how people might feel, and you should think about how they feel before you act. | ||
| Right, trying to see if there's even a latch there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's not. | ||
| And so, you know, we've had these stages, the misrepresentation of Alex's actions, then the distraction tactics, and here is the third stage of that game. | ||
| I understand that, but I also understand that... | ||
| What about all the kids dying from the poisoned shots? | ||
| Let me just finish. | ||
| What about the CDC admitting it causes microdive heart attacks? | ||
| Here's the problem, Alex. | ||
| The problem is... | ||
| If I deserve to die for questioning a mass shooting, then what happens to the big companies that sold these poisoned shots that weren't approved and weren't safe and didn't protect them? | ||
| Here's my question. | ||
| What happens to them while you're... | ||
| I'm the worst guy in the world. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| So, Piers, hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I'm the worst guy in the world, right? | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| No one is saying that he's the worst person in the world or should die for what he did. | ||
| They just say that he should take responsibility for his actions. | ||
| Anytime someone like Alex is being told that he needs to accept that his actions have consequences, some switch gets flipped where all of a sudden they're on death row. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It's a straw man tactic, but in the case of Alex, I suspect it's also an expression of his narcissism. | ||
| It would probably be threatening to his ego to recognize that at the end of the day, the plaintiffs in this case and most of the rest of the world just want him to to be an adult and take responsibility for his actions and then everyone will move on to the best of their ability. | ||
| I don't mean that that's a simple thing or anything. | ||
| But in terms of his involvement as a goal the goal is Alex's shit. | ||
| Let's not deal with this anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The only reason any of this is dragged on at all is because of Alex's theatrics which he needs to do to he needs to engage in that so the situation better conforms to his feelings of persecution. | ||
| Accepting that he's not that important and no one is trying to crucify him makes his situation kind of boring. | ||
| It's just a liar with a huge audience who talked a bunch of shit that hurt people and then those hurt people sued him. | ||
| It's not good for a narcissist to accept that your story isn't special. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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What you did is why things are happening. | |
| Grow up. | ||
| That's threatening to his sense of self, and so he has to over-dramatize everything, which is the third phase of this. | ||
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Oh, I should die because I questioned the shooting. | |
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It goes to everything that he is, that all of these stories are ultimately built around the idea that I am never a bad person. | ||
| I am never wrong. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| I am never hurting people, and if I do hurt people because it's not on purpose, I'm actually helping them if they would only think about it from the way that I see things. | ||
| All of these things. | ||
| None of it can ever come back to, Alex Jones did wrong. | ||
| It can never be that. | ||
| Well, he's infallible. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And he just can't handle any kind of concept of that. | ||
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| Ant, we move along here, and Alex lies about how he apologized for everything. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's very defensive. | ||
| Tell me more about this. | ||
| I apologized on Joe Rogan before I was sued. | ||
| I apologized on dozens of shows when they brought this up in 2016. | ||
| All right, but here's my question. | ||
| Here's my question. | ||
| And then they went on the news and said, I was currently sending people to their houses. | ||
| Where is the video of me saying go to their houses? | ||
| Where is the video of me pissing on their graves? | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| They're raising money on my name. | ||
| Alex, let me respond. | ||
| I want to just try and get inside your head for a moment and see whether you have ever fully comprehended... | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The scale of what happens to these families. | ||
| See, that's where I think he's treating him. | ||
| You get the sense that he's kind of just trying to be like, alright, let me even see if you understand the reality that you are involved in. | ||
| Let's go slower and more granular. | ||
| Let's get even real simple down there. | ||
| Now, we know from all of our engagement with this that that is a fool's errand. | ||
| But, for someone like Pierce, maybe he's thinking... | ||
| This might be a way to actually help make sense of things to Alex. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Or, at very least, piss him off because you're infantilizing him. | ||
| It's borderline like, okay, let me show you some flashcards. | ||
| All right, can you see this face? | ||
| Is it smiling or is it frowning? | ||
| Is one of those good or is one of those bad? | ||
| I want to talk about the Davos group. | ||
| I knew you would. | ||
| Goddammit! | ||
| Why won't you let me talk? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, to try and gauge if Alex understands this, Pierce reads off some of the experiences that the families have had, and Alex seems to think they're lying. | ||
| There's some responses that he gives that make me suspect, because it's the only conclusion that you can come to from the things he's saying, that the victims are lying. | ||
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Great. | |
| This is what happened to some of the families, okay? | ||
| Erica Lafferty, whose mother was killed, has had to move five times since the shooting and avoids going to the grocery store because people tell her... | ||
| They say they didn't show any evidence. | ||
| The judges found me guilty. | ||
| The judges found me guilty. | ||
| That's illegal. | ||
| Alex, I know. | ||
| Let me just finish. | ||
| She said it got scary and more graphic. | ||
| Things would be mailed to her house that were threats of rape. | ||
| The 500,000 dead Iraqis? | ||
| Jennifer Hensel and Jeremy Rickman, parents of 60-year-old Aviel, who was killed, set up a foundation for their daughter. | ||
| Soon after, email addresses attached to the foundation... | ||
| What about the cops killed by Black Lives Matter? | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| We're flooded with messages saying Aviel didn't exist. | ||
| That Hensel and others were actors and questioned why money was being raised from a fake shooting. | ||
| In 2019, Jeremy Rickman, Aviel's father, killed himself. | ||
| Friends called Hensel, his wife, Jennifer, to tell her people were at the cemetery where Aviel was buried looking for evidence that her husband had actually died. | ||
| David Wheeler, the father of 60-year-old Ben Wheeler, Who died at Sandy Hook, detailed two instances in which people actually showed up at his home demanding to see Ben, insisting he was alive. | ||
| He said people also pointed to a student film he made in college as proof he was a crisis actor. | ||
| Robbie and Alyssa Parker, and you did mention Robbie Parker, who I interviewed many times and felt a deep affinity with, and you said he was laughing. | ||
| Well, he did laugh. | ||
| But she said that, Alyssa, his wife, said that the vicious comments on the memorial Facebook page honoring her daughter were so terrifying she couldn't remember much of her daughter's funeral. | ||
| Mark Banston, the lawyer representing the Sandy Hook family, said there were people threatening to kill us. | ||
| You said one of your topics was Sandy Hook. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| They showed no proof of that in court. | ||
| The judge didn't let me defend myself. | ||
| You just want to sit here and talk about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I want to move on to other topics. | ||
| You want to move on, I bet. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| So the goal is to try and see if Alex understands the scale of the experience that these people have because of the actions of people inspired by a lot of the theories that Alex was promoting and the people that were given They're only platform through Alex. | ||
| And the answer is no. | ||
| He thinks that maybe they're lying. | ||
| And maybe Eric Lafferty didn't have to move. | ||
| They didn't prove it in court. | ||
| So that should give any indication. | ||
| That should be a perfect illustration of the extent to which Alex understands the reality of other people's experiences and how he affects them. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit at all. | ||
| Yeah, this goes back to that I apologize dozens of times kind of idea. | ||
| And it's like, you can't apologize dozens of times. | ||
| And then this. | ||
| You can apologize once. | ||
| No, you can apologize dozens of times. | ||
| You can say I'm sorry dozens of times. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| And that's kind of where I'm... | ||
| Getting into this headspace of him, because he says I apologize dozens of times, but if you actually did one time, we wouldn't be having this interview. | ||
| It's not a sincere apology if this interview and the things that you're saying here can possibly come out of your mouth. | ||
| It's not an apology. | ||
| I'll agree with you there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, you know, do you understand, Alex? | ||
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No. | |
| Do you get it? | ||
| No. | ||
| My question is simply this. | ||
| When you hear... | ||
| About the impact on these poor families whose children, age six, were blown to pieces in a school. | ||
| When you hear about the impact, do you have any real regret or remorse about fueling this idea that they were staged and hoaxed and they were crying actors? | ||
| He's already answered your question. | ||
| Adam Lanza killed those children, not me. | ||
| A Democratic Party PR firm looked at Trump, looked at me in 2016. | ||
| That wasn't my question. | ||
| Brought up Sandy Hook. | ||
| That wasn't my question. | ||
| Let me explain to you again. | ||
| I'm going to say it again. | ||
| The media took what I said out of context. | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| Years later, magnified it. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| To make a political hit point on me and on Trump, and they blew it all up and then said I was doing it. | ||
| They have no proof I ever sent anybody to their houses. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I a few times questioned it on air. | ||
| I became super famous. | ||
| You said it was a hoax and a fake. | ||
| They've raised hundreds of millions in. | ||
| In donations, $73 million from Remington. | ||
| Now they're coming after the First Amendment. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And I told you, I'd come on and briefly talk about Sandy Hook. | ||
| You sent a whole list of topics. | ||
| Now I want you to be true to your word and not a deceptive person, Pierce. | ||
| Yeah, don't be a liar, Pierce. | ||
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Wow. | |
| We gotta move on, Pierce. | ||
| That's so great. | ||
| That's so great to just have Alex be Alex. | ||
| And because the answer to that, because when Piers is, he's halfway through his question and Alex says something, he should have been like, you know what? | ||
| You have answered my question. | ||
| Asked and answered. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| Or not really asked, but answered. | ||
| Nope, you answered it thoroughly. | ||
| Yeah, I get it, and that is that you don't get it. | ||
| You do not give a shit whatsoever. | ||
| So Piers just wants Alex to ask one more, or answer the question in front of him before they move on. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Which is fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have spent 24 minutes on Sandy Hook. | ||
| I want to move on to the Davos group. | ||
| I just want you to answer the question first. | ||
| Before we move on, do you feel... | ||
| When you hear these accounts of what happened to these families, do you feel a sense of personal regret and remorse that your actions on air inspired a lot of people to think these people were actors and their kids didn't really die? | ||
| Do you feel genuine remorse? | ||
| Let me talk. | ||
| Any? | ||
| 500,000 Iraqi children starved to death. | ||
| No, that's not the question. | ||
| I feel way less. | ||
| No, I legitimately question Sandy Hook, and I stand by what I did. | ||
| You said it was a fake and a hoax. | ||
| I stand by what I did. | ||
| Attached themselves to me to raise money and to claim I'm doing things to them I didn't do, to raise money and to try to take over my life, and no, I don't. | ||
| I apologize before they sued me if I ever hurt anybody's feelings, and I'm supposed to apologize forever and ever in some communist struggle session. | ||
| I just asked you whether you feel regrets or remorse. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I bet that's him trying to get kicked off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's annoying. | ||
| I don't like him pulling the little, I know I'm trying to get kicked off thing there at the end. | ||
| Oh, no, it's some little bit trying to get kicked off and another, like, maybe I'm about to be kicked off. | ||
| I better get a plug in. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Or just, like, Alex recognizing that, like, I'm not engaging with this interview at all. | ||
| This isn't, nothing's happening here. | ||
| I might as just yell plugs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Couldn't hurt. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| No. | ||
| So Alex is a piece of shit and apparently he does not feel bad at all about anything that he did. | ||
| Man, oh boy. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Don't you, you know, I just want to go back to the juries, you know, and just play them these clips afterwards and just ask them how they feel. | ||
| They probably feel all right. | ||
| I mean, they gave a pretty good judgment. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Like, how can you... | ||
| You know, I imagine there's got to be some sort of doubt somewhere in your mind if you render a $1.5 billion judgment. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| It's a doubt that I have just because I don't understand the number. | ||
| It's too big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that kind of thing. | ||
| But then to listen to this and feel that, like, just... | ||
| I did good! | ||
| You know, like, I am in the right! | ||
| This unrepentant asshole who's basing his lack of remorse on a lie about what he did. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That he's maybe convinced himself is reality. | ||
| Which is just not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think anybody who would feel bad about whatever verdict should not feel bad. | ||
| No, they've got to be like, me! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he goes to a break, and they come back, and Pierce tries to honor Alex's wish about moving on. | ||
| And Alex goes back to Singapore. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| Well, welcome back. | ||
| Alex Jones is still with me. | ||
| Alex, we'll move on to the Infowars website tonight. | ||
| You were leading several hours ago actually on the story which I addressed at the top of the show, which is about this ludicrous idea that the word field is racist. | ||
| I'm sure there are a number of things like that on which we would have complete agreement. | ||
| But I also found a piece on your website near the top today which said the following. | ||
| Falsehoods have far-reaching costs in livelihoods and lives. | ||
| Lack of integrity and conflicts of interest have led to an unprecedented institutional false information pandemic. | ||
| There's nothing that dispels false narratives better than personal inquiry and critical thinking. | ||
| So the next time conflicted institutions cry woeful wolf or vicious variant or whatever it is, we need to think twice. | ||
| So a very strong worded piece there about the danger of falsehoods. | ||
| Do you agree with that? | ||
| Well, let me answer your question, and we'll finish up the Sandy Hook thing. | ||
| I wish that I wasn't misled by some of those professors and people that thought that it was staged. | ||
| It was a very small part of what I did. | ||
| I tried to apologize. | ||
| I tried to settle. | ||
| I tried to make restitution. | ||
| And then they misrepresented. | ||
| When I was in the Texas trial, you can look at this, they had one of the mothers on who lost her son. | ||
| And I went on my show that morning and taped it before I went to court. | ||
| And I said, I think she's real. | ||
| I think her son died. | ||
| I'd seen her testimony the day before. | ||
| And I'm very sorry that Adam Lanza did this. | ||
| And then she went on the stand and said, Jones attacked me and said, I'm an actress. | ||
| It's all fake today. | ||
| And I walked over to her during the break and I said, watch my show from today. | ||
| Your lawyers lied to you. | ||
| And the next day she came up and cried and shook my hand. | ||
| Scarlett Lewis had said, oh my god, it's true. | ||
| I saw you did say that. | ||
| So there's a lot of manipulation here. | ||
| Look, I didn't do this consciously. | ||
| So Alex is lying about Scarlett Lewis and he said her name. | ||
| Get her name out of his fucking mouth. | ||
| That might be defamatory. | ||
| Yeah, I'd add another... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And also Alex is conveniently leaving off the part where he said that Neil Haslam was slow and all that other stuff that was fairly insulting and attacking. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| That if you're in the middle of a case like this, Alex is posting pictures of the judge on fire and what have you. | ||
| All the coverage is attacking, regardless of the things that he's saying. | ||
| Even if it's passive-aggressively saying, I think you're wonderful and all that, that's still kind of an attack. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Him bringing them up on the show is an attack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex, I mean, for all of his I-want-to-move-on stuff. | ||
| That he wanted to move along from. | ||
| And that's because he didn't actually want to move along. | ||
| It's just that Piers wasn't going along with his bullshit. | ||
| He wasn't playing the game that Alex wanted to play, so he wanted to move on. | ||
| Now that we have a reset, Alex can try and get the points that he wants to get out. | ||
| And, I mean... | ||
| A lot of bullshit. | ||
| A lot of bullshit. | ||
| It is this. | ||
| It is Alex is going to try to apologize by saying I'm sorry for some... | ||
| I'm sorry that I'm so right and everyone lies about me so much. | ||
| Something along those lines, right? | ||
| And then you'll challenge him on it and eventually if the conversation goes on any further Alex will get to the point where he says of course I don't give a shit about them. | ||
| I hate them. | ||
| They were mean to me and now I lost all my money and I hate them and I wish I could do more bad things to them. | ||
| They're trying to take over my life. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| So then he's like, oh, we gotta get off this because I sound like a lunatic, and then once you get off it, he's like, okay, now I can try and be sorry and look like a human being again. | ||
| And then the cycle repeats. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So Alex is a love-hate thing with Piers, and then I kind of enjoyed this. | ||
| Piers, I don't agree with his premise, but he does try to explain the difference between the two of them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And listen, I sent a love-hate relationship with you when I sent you an audio message yesterday. | ||
| I watched the intro to your show, and I was like, man, I wish I was as good as this guy. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Because I covered the same stuff today, but the way you brought up them saying the word America's bad, and the way you pointed out that it's not by itself, that it's a cult that wants to grow language. | ||
| I was like, that guy's a master of really understanding this attack on our freedom, and I wish he knew that I was a real guy, and I'm just learning. | ||
| The difference, Alex, honestly, the difference between us, I would say, is this. | ||
| I have always strived, not always successfully, but I've always strived in my career, To put a premium on accuracy. | ||
| Without that, you have nothing. | ||
| I would argue, and this is your chance to dispel this notion, that over the years you have deliberately and systematically used conspiracy theories which I suspect you know are not true. | ||
| To fuel interest in a large number of people who then go and buy your products, which you sell, which are a massive part of your business and have made you hundreds of millions of dollars. | ||
| And I'm going to give you some examples collectively. | ||
| So let me just read them out. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Everybody has sponsors and sells products. | ||
| I'll give you a chance to respond when I read them. | ||
| I have sponsors, yes. | ||
| So the difference between them is Piers strives for accuracy, misses the mark at times. | ||
| Leave that premise aside. | ||
| But the difference with Alex is he knows he's lying and saying a bunch of interesting bullshit in order to sell his shit to the audience. | ||
| And that is the difference. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So he said that he's going to give him some examples. | ||
| And so Piers lists off some of Alex's dumb conspiracies. | ||
| We might be at the beginning of the end here. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to give you some examples collectively, so let me just read them out. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Everybody has sponsors themselves. | ||
| I'll give you a chance to respond when I read them. | ||
| But this is some of the stuff you said on air. | ||
| Right, in 2017, you had to apologise after promoting the infamous Pizzagate fake story that a Washington pizza restaurant was the locale of a child's sex abuse ring run by Hillary Clinton and her campaign chairman. | ||
| After 9-11, you called it an inside job perpetrated by the US government. | ||
| You said that chemicals in the water which are put there by the government are turning frogs gay in a gay bomb. | ||
| You said Michelle Obama is a man. | ||
| In a 12-minute video, you analyzed footage of photographs... | ||
| Proving that Mrs. Obama has a penis. | ||
| You said that Robert Mueller, the former FBI director who investigated Trump's Russia ties, which turned out to be a fake story, was a demonic pedophile and said, that's a demon I will take down. | ||
| He's obviously not a pedophile. | ||
| And so on. | ||
| So here's my point. | ||
| I'm about to get kicked off. | ||
| You keep flashing up your info. | ||
| You don't need to promote Infowars. | ||
| We all know about it. | ||
| Listen, what I'm trying to tell you is, you make all these charges and I can't respond. | ||
| Let me ask you the question I'm about to ask you. | ||
| I read a piece on Infowars all about the danger of falsehoods, right? | ||
| The cost to livelihoods and lives, the problem with lack of integrity and a false information pandemic. | ||
| Your website is promoting that thinking, that it's wrong to have false information put out there. | ||
| And yet the guy behind the website making all the You just talked for four minutes. | ||
| Can I talk now? | ||
| You know it's nonsense. | ||
| You're scared to let me talk. | ||
| Scared to let me talk! | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You're too threatened by the truth that I'm going to bring. | ||
| You know, there's nothing quite like absolute utter nonsense coming from a posh accent. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| There's just something beautiful about it. | ||
| And, like, I mean, it's just broadcast. | ||
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Oh, I know. | |
| The horn on this car that's coming at Alex is the, like, this is all bullshit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know that, right? | ||
| You know that. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, no, Alex does not believe all this is nonsense. | ||
| And so he gives some critique of his own beliefs and defense. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know it's nonsense, don't you? | ||
| You're scared to let me talk. | ||
| Your chance to respond. | ||
| No, I don't know it's nonsense. | ||
| And if you took your time through all those points you just raised, I can back every one of them. | ||
| There are more than 1,000 university studies from England to Australia to South Africa to Mexico to Austin, Texas. | ||
| That atrazine is literally making male frogs gay, they don't want to have sex with female frogs, and their populations are plummeting and even becoming extinct. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Then, 9 /11, I don't think radical Islam doesn't exist. | ||
| There were criminal elements in our government that it came out even in the hearings that stood down and did nothing. | ||
| So you rattle off... | ||
| 9-11 was not an inside job. | ||
| Michelle Obama is not a man. | ||
| Robert Mueller is not a demonic pedophile. | ||
| Oh, let me talk about Michelle Obama. | ||
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Let me talk about Michelle Obama. | |
| These are all ridiculous lies. | ||
| Here's the point, Alex. | ||
| You're not a stupid man. | ||
| You just repeated him again. | ||
| You're not a stupid man. | ||
| I'm going to talk over you then. | ||
| You know these things are untrue. | ||
| If you don't let me talk, I'm going to talk over you. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Let me talk. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Just exhausting. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| So Alex really wants to talk about the Michelle Obama one now that he's been reminded of this. | ||
| The thing with atrazine is more complicated than Alex presents it. | ||
| It's certainly not a gay bomb. | ||
| It's definitely not something that would be enough for you to go, boom! | ||
| All frogs are gay now! | ||
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Hey! | |
| Yeah, that's no mic drop moment. | ||
| He thinks he dunked on the 9-11 one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, all this is not good. | ||
| So here is his defense of the Michelle Obama stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I did have to bleep out a T-slur that he throws out. | ||
| But this defense is not good. | ||
| Let me talk. | ||
| That is a transcript you have. | ||
| I was playing a clip of Joan Rivers, two months before she died, with fire exploding out of her mouth in a surgery. | ||
| She said, Michelle Obama is a... | ||
| Everybody knows that we already have a gay president. | ||
| And I was quoting what she said. | ||
| And I was questioning what people were saying. | ||
| That's Joan Rivers. | ||
| Now, let's move on. | ||
| What was the other one? | ||
| What was the other one you were saying? | ||
| Robert Mueller is a demonic pedophile. | ||
| Beat. | ||
| Robert Mueller is definitely... | ||
| Okay, let's talk about Pizzagate. | ||
| Oh, yeah, okay. | ||
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LAUGHTER I can't defend that one. | |
| Pass. | ||
| I got nothing on this one. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| Let's go to the money round. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| This is not the venue where I can defend my rampant demonic pedophile accusations. | ||
| I'm afraid you'll have follow-up questions and want definitions, and I am not here for that. | ||
| Let's go to Pizzagate. | ||
| Sir, I believe we have found common ground on Pizzagate in the past. | ||
| So yeah, that Joan Rivers joke that she made, that wasn't made in surgery. | ||
| That was when she was being interviewed on the street. | ||
| Alex has pretended that it was in surgery because he wants to make it seem more like she was killed for revealing a secret or something, and that's nonsense. | ||
| Also, just awful. | ||
| Just a real piece of shit. | ||
| So anyway, Pierce, to his somewhat credit, is like, I don't think you believe any of this. | ||
| This is all ridiculous shit. | ||
| I didn't regenerate Pizzagate. | ||
| It was in the WikiLeaks documents. | ||
| A whole bunch of Aleister Crowley Satanism. | ||
| You apologize because you promoted that conspiracy theory too. | ||
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No. | |
| Here's my point, Alex. | ||
| I don't think you really believe any of these things. | ||
| I think you realized early on in your life that there was a lot of money to be made from fueling conspiracy theories, and you have made a ton of money from it. | ||
| I said Jeffrey Epstein 13 years ago ran an island in the Caribbean with kidnapped children. | ||
| I said the NXIVM cult was branding people five years before it broke. | ||
| No. | ||
| I had the sources. | ||
| I had the guts. | ||
| I lost viewers saying Sandy Hook might have been staged. | ||
| I lost some of my reporters. | ||
| That is not true, what you're saying. | ||
| I don't sit there and think of a story I'm going to say. | ||
| I've got too many stories here. | ||
| Too many stories. | ||
| Too many stories. | ||
| He's got stackies. | ||
| Yeah, still absent proof of his claims about reporting on Jeffrey Epstein years and years back and absent any proof of the NXIVM. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Provide some citations on that, Alex. | ||
| I believe if his claim is that he believed at At some point in time that there was a cult of... | ||
| With... | ||
| People who were in Hollywood at the time branding people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I would guarantee that he has said that about everybody every day for the past 20 years. | ||
| Or people kidnapping folks to islands. | ||
|
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Totally. | |
| Children being taken to islands. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Satanic panic offshoots. | ||
| Ted Gunderson nonsense. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But yeah, trying to repackage that as this is ridiculous. | ||
| Nah, it's shameful. | ||
| But I think that there's a... | ||
| I can get why peers would want to... | ||
| Confront like this. | ||
| Like, you don't believe this. | ||
| Because I don't think a lot of folks have been able to ask that or present that to Alex in a setting where he's presumably supposed to answer. | ||
| Yeah, where he hasn't run away already. | ||
| Yeah, and no, you get your answer. | ||
| He does believe this stuff. | ||
| But I also don't believe that. | ||
| I don't believe that either. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| That must be the other... | ||
| There has to be some desire for his own personal catharsis. | ||
| I'm going to say to Alex, to his face, I don't think you believe that. | ||
| Please just tell me that you do so we can move on with our lives. | ||
| Because I just wanted to say it to you. | ||
| I'm just going to make peace with whatever this weird decade-long nonsense we've had between us. | ||
| Beyond just the you don't really believe this, Pierce also has Right. | ||
| And you're not. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Here's my question for you. | |
| Believe it. | ||
| You are a smart enough person from interviews I've seen of you with Joe Rogan for three hours. | ||
| You're more than smart enough to do a show where you genuinely examine stories like Jussie Smollett and you ask the right questions as a journalist would do. | ||
| But I don't think you are a journalist. | ||
| And you're not a trained journalist. | ||
| But you don't come at it like a journalist. | ||
| You come at it as a commercial operator who's made a fortune from fueling conspiracy theories which are ludicrous. | ||
| And to a point... | ||
| Let me respond to that. | ||
| You've said that lie. | ||
| You've said that lie five times. | ||
| Piers, you had me here. | ||
| Let me respond to each lie you spew. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| I want to yell off things you say. | ||
| I don't want to wait for the question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Now, in Alex's defense, Piers asks questions like an asshole. | ||
| They're long. | ||
| I think that might be the British style of interview, though. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But he's asking questions with the clear idea that everybody already knows the answer to those questions. | ||
| So, if you're going to do that... | ||
| I get that's the British style of interview. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| I know, but if you're going to do that, and you're going to take so long about it... | ||
| Like, I'm on Alex's team as far as, like... | ||
| I would answer the questions halfway into his question. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get what you're trying to ask. | ||
| This is taking forever. | ||
| Well, but you think you can mind read. | ||
| Maybe he's going to swerve at the end with the question. | ||
| Maybe he's getting at a different point than you think. | ||
| Okay, if he was interviewing me, perhaps that is possible. | ||
| But if it's Alex, we all know where this is going to go. | ||
| True. | ||
| And it does. | ||
| And it does. | ||
| So Piers is saying, like, hey, you're making money off this. | ||
| You're a commercial operator. | ||
| I don't think you're reporting on stories. | ||
| And you're smart enough to understand what it means to cover a story. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're choosing not to do that. | ||
| And Alex is like, fuck you, man. | ||
| I won't apologize for making money. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| Your goal is to spew lies. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| I'm going to tell you again. | ||
| I'm going to tell you again. | ||
| I'm not against capitalism and if people earn money normally and naturally, that's great. | ||
| If I sell $70 million of food and supplements and books and films and we make $20 million off that and I pay my crew and my bandwidth and pay myself a couple million dollars a year. | ||
| That is accurate. | ||
| But the idea that I have billions of dollars, and the idea that I did these few controversial things... | ||
| I don't think you've made billions of dollars. | ||
| I think you've made several hundred million dollars, and some of the products included very false claims about diet supplements and toothpaste, which could be used to fight coronavirus. | ||
| And you were sent to cease and desist milk because of it. | ||
| No, all I said is that silver on contact kills all viruses, just like sunlight. | ||
| And I said vitamin D3 is an antiviral, and vitamin C is, and it's a... | ||
| And I also said, Piers, that the studies they'd already done with mRNA vaccines showed they didn't protect you, and they erased your immune system, and you've had to apologise and admit you were lied to. | ||
| No, just to clarify, they do protect you from coronavirus. | ||
| The difference was that a year into the pandemic, it emerged that the initial feeling... | ||
| That if you had the vaccine, you couldn't transmit it, turned out to be wrong. | ||
| But they do protect you. | ||
| Any real vaccine actually protects you. | ||
| And in fact, millions of people are alive today because they took the vaccine. | ||
| You're going to stand in Nuremberg too. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| See, this is where Alex wanted to get to. | ||
| I'm going to deport you back to the UK for being against gun laws. | ||
| The 1776 will commence again. | ||
| You are making me feel real bad, but now I get to call you a genocide. | ||
| You will stand at Nuremberg, too. | ||
| That's where Alex is like, ah, yeah. | ||
| The feeling and the moment that he had in 2013 is like, there's a kernel of that here. | ||
| It's definitely not as gratifying. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| And it's not on CNN. | ||
| And Piers Morgan is not who he was 10 years ago. | ||
| So it's maybe not as big a deal. | ||
| And you might even be forgiven for not knowing that this happened. | ||
| I 100% did not. | ||
| Most people probably have no idea. | ||
| So it's not the same rush that Alex got 10 years ago. | ||
| But there is still something nice about being able to say, you will stand at Nuremberg, too. | ||
| Here's my problem. | ||
| Here's my problem. | ||
| My problem is that throughout this interview, it appears that the only two people who got what they wanted are in the interview, and the rest of us are told to fuck off. | ||
| Well, most people... | ||
| Weren't watching. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| If two narcissists get what they want from each other in a forest. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You are not wrong. | ||
| Does anyone hear the tree fall? | ||
| If solipsists have sex, are they also masturbating is the question. | ||
| So the other thing there, too, is Alex should not be in favor of Nuremberg, too, because that kind of requires a world government. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A lot of the anti-New World Order-y types are very against Nuremberg because of the sort of global authority that's required for a world court. | ||
| Alex should know that if he cared at all about his principles. | ||
| Anyway, he started yelling, and it feels good. | ||
| Yeah, so I assume he's finally gotten over all of that. | ||
| I'm supposed to feel bad about all these things that I did or didn't do. | ||
| I'll let you decide. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're going to stand at Nuremberg, too. | ||
| Did you get money from Big Pharma? | ||
| No, I didn't get any money. | ||
| Like all these other media people? | ||
| We're going to say, yeah, listen. | ||
| The vaccines work. | ||
| Did you get money? | ||
| Did you get money like CNN for pushing Prozac? | ||
| Millions of lives. | ||
| However, let's take a short break. | ||
| I want to come back with our final segment. | ||
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I don't want to ask you one last question in the final segment. | |
| You're going down. | ||
| You're going down. | ||
| You talked over Infowars.com. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Going out to break. | ||
| So you did another little plug. | ||
| Did another little plug, of course. | ||
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Infowars.com. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| So they come back, and Piers has another topic that he wants to broach with Alex, and that is, of course, January 6th. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Pro or against? | ||
| Yay or nay! | ||
| So I just have one clip of that. | ||
| It's just basically the entirety of anything that means anything. | ||
| Welcome back to my final segment with Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex, on January 6th, the infamous January 6th, you stood there riding the crowds up by saying, we declare 1776 against the new... | ||
| We need to understand we're under attack. | ||
| We need to understand this is 21st century warfare and get on a war footing. | ||
| And within several hours, that's exactly what thousands of people did. | ||
| They went down from hearing you say that, and Donald Trump the same way he said, and they launched an unprecedented attack on the Capitol, the very center of democracy in America. | ||
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Do you regret what you said a couple hundred years ago? | |
| No, I don't. | ||
| I've had rallies with over a million people, a half million people. | ||
| Before that, it's an information war. | ||
| Infowars.com. | ||
| We're in an information war. | ||
| We were there to have a 10-day investigation of the Constitution. | ||
| What? | ||
| Look at what was happening. | ||
| That's the new line? | ||
| I tried to stop people and did keep thousands from going into the Capitol, and I've been cleared in the January 6th. | ||
| Look at the Reuters article on the FBI. | ||
| Just to be clear, do you denounce those who used violence that day? | ||
| Yes, I denounce Ray Epps telling the congressional committee that he orchestrated the attack. | ||
| And I tried to stop the provocateurs in that operation from breaking in. | ||
| We had a million people there. | ||
| They tricked a thousand or so to go in. | ||
| A few hundred provocateurs broke through the police, similar to what we're seeing in Brazil. | ||
| And so I'm on record there that day telling people don't go in the building and trying to stop it. | ||
| When I say 1776, I'm saying try to take our guns, 1776. | ||
| Try to take our free speech, 1776. | ||
| It means political rebellion. | ||
| It means an awakening. | ||
| It means saying no. | ||
| That's not what it means. | ||
| No, it means something very specific. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It means 1776, the thing that you're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think if I were doing an interview, I would probably just leave January 6th alone as it relates to Alex. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| That shit is too complicated. | ||
| He's never going to give you a straight answer on stuff. | ||
| And there is enough of an optical thing where he was telling people not to fight, not to go in and stuff. | ||
| And so that is enough for him to hang his hat on. | ||
| Just leave it alone. | ||
| It's not worth interviewing him about it. | ||
| The information that he has that would be very interesting, he can never tell you. | ||
| Or he may not know. | ||
| Well, I mean more like the stuff he does know, you know, like with him and all the Oath Keepers and all of that stuff. | ||
| I would be interested in what he knows, whether it's what I think it should be or not, you know, what extent of is he involved or anything. | ||
| I think it's still very interesting. | ||
| There's a very good chance that he doesn't know. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| A lot of that stuff. | ||
| What I'm interested in, though, is what he did know. | ||
| That's still interesting. | ||
| You know, it would still be interesting to find that out, no matter what it was in terms of how high up or... | ||
| And my point is, whatever that is, you're saying that it's stuff he would never say, and that might be true, but I'm saying... | ||
| He might not know what he knows. | ||
| He doesn't? | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| And you'll never get a straight answer out of him anyway. | ||
| That's the most important part. | ||
| Some of it's not even being cagey and like, I don't want to answer this. | ||
| You're just never going to get an answer. | ||
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No. | |
| Nope. | ||
| So, also all that other stuff is bullshit that he said. | ||
| Yeah, I don't even know why we bother with that. | ||
| I read the transcript of that interview with Ray Epps, and this is a rank mischaracterization of his texts. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| So this is gross. | ||
| This clip's bad. | ||
| Has one of the lessons that you've learned from this lawsuit with the Sandy Hook families, has one of the lessons been... | ||
| That actually truth matters. | ||
| Have you learned that? | ||
| Do you believe now that you need to focus on saying things which are true because consequences can be very serious? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| You keep trying to act like it's a big part of what I've covered or that I've made mistakes on purpose. | ||
| The whole currency I operate in is the truth. | ||
| And we're accurate 95% of the time. | ||
| I've made big mistakes. | ||
| And when I make mistakes, we absolutely admit to it. | ||
| I think you've done that yourself sometime. | ||
| I'll, you know, here's the deal. | ||
| Maybe in 10 years you're still alive. | ||
| I'm alive. | ||
| I'm back on. | ||
| You'll say, will you apologize now? | ||
| I apologize if I cause any pain. | ||
| I've already done it. | ||
| It only makes them more rabid and attack more and misrepresent. | ||
| I went on my show during the trial. | ||
| Then it's not an apology now, is it? | ||
| I'm so sorry for your child. | ||
| They went on the stand and said I attacked him that day. | ||
| That's all on record. | ||
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And so at that point, bro, this is a political movement. | |
| They've raised hundreds of millions of dollars off their dead kids. | ||
| The problem is you did make millions of dollars from their dead kids. | ||
| It's one of the reasons Elon Musk... | ||
| I did not. | ||
| There was no marketing. | ||
| You know what I make millions of dollars off of? | ||
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My number one book on the world selling stage. | |
| Right, the reason Elon Musk... | ||
| Has refused to let you back on Twitters. | ||
| He won't let people on who trade off dead children. | ||
| That's exactly what you did. | ||
| So Madeleine Albright kills 500,000. | ||
| I'm asking about you, not Madeleine Albright. | ||
| Alex Jones questions a mass shooting. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm the worst guy in the world. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| The whole dying corporate media is good. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Alex Jones is bad, but here's the thing. | ||
| Infowars.com lives. | ||
| People can come to my show every day, 11 a.m. Central, and they can hear what I'm actually saying, Piers, versus what you're trying to put in my mouth. | ||
| Actually, all I'm putting into your mouth are things that have come out of your mouth. | ||
| So now, when I was listening to the clip, I found it really objectionable that he said they made millions of dollars off their dead kids. | ||
| And because I think in the past, Alex has made this kind of expression about the law firms and stuff, but he's generally pretty careful not to say it about the parents. | ||
| He's saying it about the parents. | ||
| And I wanted to play that just so you can hear. | ||
| I mean, he's clearly saying their kids. | ||
| This is a political movement. | ||
| They've raised hundreds of millions of dollars off their dead kids. | ||
| He's clearly talking about the parents here. | ||
| And in combination with, you know, the stuff he said about Scarlett Lewis and the fact that when he's saying, in that clip he said they become more rabid, you know, I said this stuff, I said I apologize and I was nice, and then that day they attacked me on the sand. | ||
| That's clearly hearkening back to what he said about Miss Lewis earlier. | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like he might fuck around. | ||
| This is legally actionable. | ||
| It feels like it could be. | ||
| I mean, this... | ||
| Beyond what that is just being... | ||
| You know, like, this is 100% a continuation of the things that he's... | ||
| Yeah, and it's morally... | ||
| It's horrific. | ||
| Culpable. | ||
| It's absent morals. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| You're a pile of shit if you act this way. | ||
| No, it is like... | ||
| It is one of those things, though, where I wish if everybody had all of the awareness of having gone through the trial, having gone through everything, having studied all of this stuff. | ||
| We are at a point now where this man needs to be stopped. | ||
| It can't be money. | ||
| You're not allowed to be on TV. | ||
| You're not allowed to be on the radio. | ||
| That can't happen because there's no other way to stop him. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| Every other way that we've ever had has been able to stop someone, at least eventually. | ||
| I think it's dangerous to think along those lines because then you kind of... | ||
| I think you're right in some sense, but... | ||
| The supply side is impossible to deal with. | ||
| And that's why I think the demand side is more of a fruitful place to try and make inroads. | ||
| He is the supplier of this stuff, and you cannot get him to stop. | ||
| He will not stop. | ||
| He claims he has 15 giant offers. | ||
| That's not true, but he could still do a podcast or whatever. | ||
| He's never going to retire to a farm like he pretends to want to. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| And so the best you can really do is create as much of an awareness about who he actually is and the fact that he is. | ||
| scamming his audience and all this is bullshit. | ||
| And hopefully that has the effect of diminishing whatever influence he has. | ||
| That's about the hope you can have there. | ||
| I agree with you on that. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| I do think that Alex is so specific and unique in this circumstance that it warrants a specific and unique intervention. | ||
| Well, but I think a $1.5 billion judgment is pretty specific and unique. | ||
| Yeah, it would be if afterwards Alex wasn't on TV with Piers Morgan committing the same crimes at them. | ||
| And nobody's stopping him from doing that. | ||
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True. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, but a lot of the sort of... | ||
| Admin stuff after the fact of the verdict is still ongoing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so we're in an illusion of no consequence right now while a lot of that stuff is still in motion. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| Let me piggyback onto the demand, and I'm going to add into the demand people like Piers Morgan. | ||
| They are part of the problem. | ||
| You should not have Alex on here, on your show, to continue to commit crimes. | ||
| And you did. | ||
| You did it on purpose. | ||
| I agree in some sense. | ||
| I think that a lot of the time platforming Alex, obviously all the time, stupid. | ||
| No point. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Often, it can be a little bit dangerous in as much as having him on with Rogan being cool and bros and stuff. | ||
| That portrays Alex in a light that is fraudulent and makes him more appealing to people who maybe otherwise wouldn't be drawn towards his brand of fundamentalist-ass weird demonology. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Same thing with the Glenn Greenwald interview. | ||
| This is presenting him as somebody who should be taken seriously. | ||
| The documentary itself is a fraud on his positions and who he is. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of that. | ||
| And I think that those people are definitely more culpable in the way that you're describing. | ||
| With Piers, I think, first of all, they have a history with each other. | ||
| Second... | ||
| I don't think that this interview in any way is going to make Alex look cool. | ||
| And I don't think that it's the reach that Piers may have. | ||
| I don't know if it's going to introduce Alex to an audience that is likely to be drawn into his shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the final point, I think Piers has a reason he thinks he's doing this, whether or not... | ||
| It's worthwhile, whether or not it's a good idea. | ||
| I do think that there's something he's trying to get to in a way that a lot of other interviews maybe don't have a point. | ||
| This doesn't have a point, but Pierce thinks it has a point, and therefore I can understand why he's doing it. | ||
| Right, and I agree with you because from the thought process, I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with what you're saying. | ||
| What I'm adding into this is my problem, and that is that... | ||
| Alex has committed a crime. | ||
| If we're going to call getting a $1.5 billion judgment against something, a crime or a punishment or something along those lines, right, then he can't go on to a show and do it more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's part of what has to be stopped. | ||
| And I'm not saying that Alex himself can't go on Piers Morgan's show. | ||
| But he can't control himself. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that's the problem. | ||
| It is that he is committing a crime when he goes on Piers Morgan's show and does that. | ||
| But blaming Piers for that is a little bit tough. | ||
| I'm not blaming Piers for that! | ||
| Well, you were saying blaming him for having him on. | ||
| If the demand is the issue, then you can't have Alex on. | ||
| Because you're having Alex on because you know he's going to commit a crime. | ||
| You're hiring somebody to come commit a crime on your show because you want ratings. | ||
| Not necessarily, because we have an understanding of Alex that maybe is higher than Piers. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He may not know that. | ||
| He may just think, hey, Alex and I are going to yell at each other. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You know, not think that Alex is going to come on and lie about the families, lie about... | ||
| Literally everything. | ||
| And then say that the families are making millions off their dead kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he... | ||
| Pierce probably didn't expect that level. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Of thing. | ||
| And maybe we would expect something... | ||
| Maybe not even... | ||
| I would have expected something... | ||
| I don't know if I would have gone that far. | ||
| Yeah, but you'd expect something bad. | ||
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That's so callous. | |
| That's so callous that even I was... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Saying that the family member's story is garbage. | ||
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Like, these things... | |
| You wouldn't expect that. | ||
| You'd expect something, but maybe not that. | ||
| And... | ||
| I hate to say this because I don't like Piers Morgan, but I think he's doing the best he can with what is happening. | ||
| And I don't disagree with you. | ||
| I'm not injecting any sort of moral judgment on character here. | ||
| I'm not saying that Piers is bad for having Alex on or anything along those lines. | ||
| I'm saying that if we call something a crime... | ||
| If we call something you did worth being punished by $1.5 billion, that means that we are doing it to stop you from doing that crime. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Now, regardless of whether or not it has happened yet, his punishment has occurred yet, the point is that the stopping should have occurred. | ||
| And that's what needs to happen. | ||
| So if that means just like, hey, listen. | ||
| We've got one person who watches everything Alex goes on, and if he says the name of Sandy Hook, or the name of a family member, or even obliquely references it, he gets an extra $500 million added to his judgment. | ||
| If that's the way that we want to do it, that's fine. | ||
| But that's the crime that needs to be stopped, and that's what he's doing. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Man. | ||
| He's a tough person to punish. | ||
| He's stubborn. | ||
| He's figured out that the part of our punishment system relies on people actually believing existence is real. | ||
| That other humans exist, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and it's how things end, and it ends about how you'd expect with two men yelling over each other. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Actually, all I'm putting into your mouth are things that have come out of your mouth. | ||
| No, you don't have footage of me saying go harass them at their houses. | ||
| I do, and I covered the Sandy Hook tragedy. | ||
| You don't have any of that. | ||
| And all I know is, Alex, all I know is, for all your posture, when those poor families were going through the most excruciating pain of their lives... | ||
| You took a massive amount of fuel and you poured it on the bonfire of their pain. | ||
| And that is the bottom line with you, Alex. | ||
| You deliberately spun a pack of lies designed to make the families of Sandi Hood the worst pain. | ||
| And that I'm opposed to all your shouting and all your brother is utterly contemptible. | ||
| And we both, I think, know that. | ||
| And I'm glad you had to move back to England to live into your Islamic takeover. | ||
| And when they're arresting people... | ||
| Great. | ||
| Alex, keep on going. | ||
| You're once again losing the plot, so now I have to say goodbye. | ||
| But it's been good to catch up. | ||
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You lied. | |
| You said we'd come on. | ||
| Don't be a liar. | ||
| Alex Jones, nothing's really changed other than in the last 10 years or so. | ||
| He carried on exploiting, particularly the families of Sandy Hook, a massive personal financial gain. | ||
| He systematically tells conspiracy theories, which I know he knows are not true. | ||
| And he does it because it makes him tons of money, and he's got away with it until now. | ||
| Yeah, so, I mean, good wrap-up there. | ||
| Nothing's changed. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| This guy's still an asshole. | ||
| Can we get this hour back? | ||
| Anybody want to give me an hour back? | ||
| I think there is a debate to be had about whether or not you air that. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, if... | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| He did put a beginning and end on this, where he said, well, nothing's changed. | ||
| So clearly this was pre-recorded in some way before broadcast. | ||
| And if that's the case, then maybe you do it. | ||
| If your conclusion is going to be, well, still a piece of shit, maybe you shelve it. | ||
| Maybe you just say, like, eh, that interview was what it was. | ||
| It does not need to come out. | ||
| But then you run the risk of Alex having recorded it himself or something and putting it out. | ||
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Of course. | |
| They're silencing me and doing the whole thing. | ||
| But this maybe is why you just never engage with him to begin with. | ||
| Seems pretty reasonable. | ||
| Much like the beginning or the end of War Games. | ||
| The only way to win. | ||
| It's unfortunate. | ||
| It's so unfortunate. | ||
| But here's the way that this podcast has taught me you should deal with Alex Jones. | ||
| Either don't deal with him. | ||
| Or do an absurd amount of dealing with him. | ||
| Deal with him on a level that no human being could be conceived of being dealt with in the history of time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| As you might imagine, I'm fairly attracted to extremes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No half measures with propagandists. | |
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So yeah, we come to the end of this, and boy, a lot's changed in ten years. | ||
| Almost nothing. | ||
| Almost nothing. | ||
| So, I think that Alex maybe thought that he was gonna have another, like, 1776 we'll commence again moment. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, like, he'd be able to get another catchphrase and, like... | ||
| Get a good clip at least. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some of that feeling. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm not sure that this was what he needed. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's always fun to yell at Piers Morgan. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I gotta assume that he felt a little bit... | ||
| Maybe not empty, but not as full as he wanted to be. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's not the first time I've said this. | ||
| It's not, but... | ||
| Won't be the last. | ||
| It feels like Alex might have been unprepared for this interview. | ||
| I think that Piers might have been, too. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I was wrestling with this as I was listening to it, though. | ||
| If he was more prepared, he would be able to tell, like, all this is bullshit, this is a lie. | ||
| But also... | ||
| A lot of that stuff is stuff you just gotta ignore if you're interviewing him. | ||
| So maybe Piers was aware that a lot of the stuff was lies, but if you get down into the weeds with a ton of stuff while talking to him, you will lose the plot. | ||
| And his distraction games will be able to be more effective. | ||
| So ignoring a ton of stuff and just letting it sit there maybe isn't a sign of unpreparedness as much as it is like, I don't even care. | ||
| I'm not gonna chase this down. | ||
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I mean, we've got... | |
| I suppose the best example of an interview with Alex you can have, and it's a deposition and it's legally enforced, and even then he still does not answer your questions. | ||
| True. | ||
| So it's like, even in the most ideal circumstances where the law compels him to answer honestly, he still will not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no point in having an interview. | ||
| No, unless you have an ulterior motive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think as best as I can tell, the ulterior motive here might have been some kind of ratings, but I don't know what kind of ratings you're expecting having an interview with Alex at this point. | ||
| But then the other ulterior motive could have just been satisfying the curiosity. | ||
| It really could have. | ||
| Do you understand how serious this is for people? | ||
| I could see that. | ||
| I could really see that being the case. | ||
| And if that's the case, then he got his answer, which is... | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Well, if you do, you don't care. | ||
| You probably don't, and if you do, you don't care, and you'll never accept. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you understand, you'll never accept the reality of the severity of the situation, so it's kind of a moot point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The answer to Piers' question is, Piers, you're asking the wrong question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This question has no meaning to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is like asking me if I prefer star-flavored ice cream. | ||
| I've never tasted a star. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Ooh, I have this Coke. | ||
| Space-flavored Coke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's your favorite type of morality? | ||
| I've never heard of any of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, disappointing. | ||
| But, hey, what a fun... | ||
| That's a fun way to go off the beaten path of... | ||
| That's a prediction for 2023 I was not imagining. | ||
| Piers Morgan popping back up. | ||
| Don't think Alex is going to be chasing him down and begging to have another interview. | ||
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This one did not go the way he wanted it to. | |
| Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan, with another episode on Wednesday. | ||
| And also Wednesday will be when those tickets go on sale. | ||
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It's true. | |
| Check for that. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we are also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yes, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, but I'm also Dan, and it's important to remember that Dan's really funny in ways. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |