Today, Dan and Jordan begin their coverage of Alex's depositions in the Connecticut case. In this installment, Alex makes some wild accusations, seems to forget almost everything, and gets caught in a bit of a trap about Dan Bidondi.
| Speaker | Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight. | |
| We need money. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, feed from the bottom, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Jordan. | |
| Dan. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Jordan. | |
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is I was doing laundry and I walked past an apartment on the way to the laundry room and I got that smell of weed. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I immediately said, yum, yum, yum. | ||
| The indoor weed smell. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't smoke weed anymore. | ||
| Absolutely not indoors. | ||
| I have in my day. | ||
| And there is still a fondness that I have for the smell of weed when I hear or feel or smell. | ||
| When I hear the smell of weed in the air, it wafts a little bit heavier. | ||
| When I hear the feeling of the smell. | ||
| And it made me think of those days back when I was living. | ||
| in apartments. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And like you just come up with these like, all right, here's how I'm going to get away with smoking weed secretly. | |
| Totally. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Because it's illegal and the neighbors are going to call the police on me. | ||
| And then you'd have those, like, toilet paper tubes with fabric softener sheets. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| You'd just blow the weed through. | ||
| Like, I'm totally cool, man. | ||
| It just smells like laundry in here. | ||
| That was the worst idea anybody's ever had. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's good. | ||
| You know, that's weird. | ||
| I have zero fond memories of all the times that I've smoked cigarettes indoors, you know? | ||
| Like, the stink of that gets inside the walls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the stink with weed smoke. | ||
| I do remember fun. | ||
| It still gets inside the walls, but it's like a weird fun house version of Inside the Wall. | ||
| Now, the flip side of that, though, is if you spill bong water on a rug. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| That's a problem that needs to be solved with fire. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So yeah, just kind of wistful for those old days. | ||
| I recognize that. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is that the World Series. | ||
| They're playing it. | ||
| Yes, they are. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| I understand the Phillies are playing. | ||
| Yeah, it's the Phillies versus the Astros. | ||
| Astros! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Joe Fernandez's favorite team. | ||
| Yeah, Astros. | ||
| Cheaters, liars. | ||
| That's what I hear. | ||
| Been in the World Series and all that stuff. | ||
| Playoffs. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Sure. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Boo! | |
| They won recently, right? | ||
| Oh, they've won, what, two out of the past six years, I think? | ||
| Maybe three? | ||
| More than I thought. | ||
| Yeah, they won a lot. | ||
| Good for them. | ||
| No, not good for them. | ||
| Cheaters. | ||
| Cheaters and liars, man! | ||
| But very exciting still, baseball. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| My favorite player is on the Phillies. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Shohei Otani? | |
| No, Kyle Schwarber. | ||
| Schwarber, noted Cubs hero from the 2016 World Series. | ||
| Sure, but you talk about Shohei Otani all the time. | ||
| Well, yes, but Shohei Otani's like, God can't be your hero. | ||
| Your hero is Achilles. | ||
| Fair enough, there still needs to be a human aspect to it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It can't be Zeus. | ||
| Nobody's like, oh, Zeus is the greatest. | ||
| Mortality is required for idolizing. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And Schwarber is my favorite kind of baseball player. | ||
| It's the kind of guy that only exists in baseball. | ||
| A baseball player? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Somebody who's very big, mostly uncoordinated, but hits balls far. | ||
| It is that kind of guy. | ||
| It can't run very fast. | ||
| Those people who are like the DH. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But goddammit if he's a big dude who hits balls far. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm thinking of Big Papi Ortiz. | ||
| That is a little bit different. | ||
| See, Big Papi was a good hitter. | ||
| He was a big dude, but he was also a good hitter. | ||
| I'm talking more about your Adam Dunn type. | ||
| So a guy who's like 6 '5", he swings a beautiful bat, and he's going to miss it 99% of the time. | ||
| But when it hits, it hits. | ||
| Oh, it's gone, baby. | ||
| Sort of like one of those people who's not a great boxer, but if they hit you, you're gone. | ||
| If they hit you, you're dead. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He's got one punch, and if it connects, you're in the stratosphere. | ||
| But otherwise, you've won. | ||
| Yeah, it's that kind of thing. | ||
| That is a fun sort of athlete, because it is like, the tension is like... | ||
| Always high. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| This could be over in a second. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Baseball has those guys. | ||
| You know, like, another subset of that guy is the big fat guy who can throw hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, he's a left-handed pitcher. | ||
| He's huge, can't run for shit, but goddammit, he throws 95. What are you gonna do? | ||
| Put him on. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Put him on the mound. | |
| The magic arm. | ||
| Yeah, put him on the mound. | ||
| I have an affinity for the Phillies for no reason. | ||
| Actually, it's my old roommate. | ||
| It was a big... | ||
| He was from Philly. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| And he would talk about it quite a bit. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And, yeah. | ||
| I had some good times watching Sixers games with him and shit. | ||
| And Phillies games. | ||
| Watching sports with Phillies fans is a lot of fun as long as they're winning. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Yes, then it's great. | ||
| Thankfully, he was more of a sad when they lose than angry. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| So that made the living situation a little bit more palatable. | ||
| So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| As we know, Alex has been on a permanent Roman holiday vacation. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| For a bit. | ||
| And so at this point, as we come into the week, we still don't know what to do. | ||
| Thankfully, we have depositions! | ||
| Yay! | ||
| What a weird... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had kind of thought maybe we would wait a little bit longer to do this, but hey, the occasion is here, the space needs to be filled, and people enjoy it. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| So what the hell? | ||
| Inexplicably. | ||
| So in the Connecticut case, Alex had four days of depositions. | ||
| So we have that to cover. | ||
| And that is impossible to do in the context of one episode. | ||
| So today we'll be talking about day one of Alex's deposition. | ||
| In the Connecticut case. | ||
| And I should say, just to give some clarity for this, this is the deposition that he did after faking an illness to not go to Connecticut to sit for the deposition. | ||
| Dr. Marbles gave him that weird diagnosis, and then it turned out he had a sinus blockage. | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
| He had a little stuffy nose. | ||
| He couldn't make it. | ||
| I think if I were devising a hell for Alex, it would be... | ||
| Like, waking up on Monday and being told you're going to do four days of depositions. | ||
| And then waking up the next Monday and being told you're going to do four forever and ever and ever. | ||
| You know, like never ending. | ||
| Let me be straight about something. | ||
| These are not four straight days of depositions. | ||
| Disappointing. | ||
| I want it to never end. | ||
| Because I believe in the second day of deposition they talk about how they had to reschedule because Alex wanted to go to Hawaii with his wife and he's wearing a shirt from a luxury resort. | ||
| I mean, listen, I can't let go from making a murderer interrogations to this shit. | ||
| You know, like that's not okay. | ||
| Another thing I should point out is that there's a couple of things that will become abundantly clear as we go through this. | ||
| And one is that Alex hasn't learned anything from any of these deposition experiences he's had. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| He's still evading and answering questions in ways that are like, well, maybe that made sense in the first deposition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you have since been asked this question and told the answer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you can't really say, I don't know. | ||
| The time has passed. | ||
| It's a little silly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then the other thing is that Alex hates Chris Maddy. | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| I don't think that it would be fair to say that he liked Mark, but he very seriously seems to hate Chris Maddy. | ||
| I'm not sure why. | ||
| They clearly say that they have not met before. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But Alex is fucking mad at him. | |
| Yeah, I can see that. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| I think Mark has something that Alex begrudgingly is like, ah, in another world. | ||
| You know, that Perry Mason moment thing. | ||
| You know, like in another world, I could see me and you being friends. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Sort of like Owen's game-recognized game. | ||
| Yes, yes, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, it could be. | ||
| I think it's more that, if I had to guess, I would guess that it's that Chris Maddy is much more of what appears to be a normal lawyer than Mark. | ||
| Mark has a kind of roguish vibe to him, whereas Maddy's a suit-tie lawyer. | ||
| And maybe Alex really hates that. | ||
| Because he's sitting next to Norm. | ||
| Here's how I'd put it. | ||
| Okay, so Meddy and Mark, both lawyers now. | ||
| We go into a Mad Max scenario. | ||
| Mark might still be a lawyer in that scenario. | ||
| I think Meddy's not going to be a lawyer. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He's in the front of the truck. | ||
| And I accidentally touched on another dynamic here, and that is that Norm is there. | ||
| Yeah, that's unfortunate. | ||
| And boy... | ||
| There are a couple points where Norm seems to just want to have fun. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| That's great. | ||
| It's inappropriate. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| Anyway, we'll get down to business on this in just a moment. | ||
| But first, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, I made a dreamy-creamy in my pants. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, listening to Knowledge Fight has accidentally trained my dog's peanut, pumpkin, and pickle to growl and bark whenever Alex starts yelling. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| That is actually why we started the podcast. | ||
| It'll help for future break-ins. | ||
| If Alex breaks into your place, safety. | ||
| When the judgments come down and Alex resorts to crime. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Next, he puts his hands in his pockets, wears sunglasses, and is cool. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| That famously, of course, is my description of Orange Cassidy's character, pro-wrestler Orange Cassidy. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| That was the extent to which I understood him when I went on Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Gotcha. | |
| I was wondering whether that was gonna... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we got some technocrats in the mix, too, Jordan. | ||
| So, first, Partner Patches CPA. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| Part the patches. | ||
| I'm depending on your son. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| To put a family through. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, boy. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Next, Mrs. Jones is tennis partner. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Russell from Kansas. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| So, Jordan, the beginning of this deposition is, of course, some of the formalities and such, and there are bits cut out, and that's like his address and these kinds of things, discussing how he sold his house and what have you. | ||
| And so we're not going to deal with any of that, just because there isn't anything really to discuss. | ||
| He has a house. | ||
| The first clip we're going to have here is, I found this to be a little bit of a non sequitur, but it also sets a bit of a tone. | ||
| And that is that almost every question is probably going to be a trap, Alex. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Just know that ahead of time. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Do you have a photographic memory? | ||
| No, I used to have a good memory, not anymore. | ||
| Have you ever told anybody that you have a photographic memory? | ||
| In the past, I did have a very, very good memory. | ||
| If I try to commit something to it, I could remember it really well, but it hasn't been like that for about 10 years or so. | ||
|
unidentified
|
My question, though, is whether you've ever told anybody that you have a photographic memory. | |
| I think I've hyperbole described myself as having, but I wouldn't say it was 100%. | ||
| You did that when you appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. | ||
| You told him and his millions of audience members that you had a photographic memory, correct? | ||
| I don't remember that particularly. | ||
| Okay, so you don't have a photographic memory of that. | ||
| I don't. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Damn. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| That's all right. | ||
| I'm already kind of, I get where he's coming from hating Chris Betty. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm a shit talker too. | ||
| If a lawyer came to me with every time I talk shit, I'd be like, all right. | ||
| Well, come on, man. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| Minute one. | ||
| First of all, there's the dunk of you don't have a photographic memory of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Solid. | ||
| Very solid. | ||
| That's got to not feel great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, secondarily, what you have is an attempt to be like, ah, you have a really good memory. | ||
| You said this thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it helps deflect from the copious amount of times Alex is going to say, oh, I don't remember that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And it sets the stage well, because we're going to hear that a lot. | ||
| What number of deposition is this total about? | ||
| All day? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, that's a term. | ||
| I mean, like, where within the zone of depositions are we? | ||
| This isn't his first deposition. | ||
| No. | ||
| This isn't his last deposition. | ||
| Well, I think it's his first deposition in the Connecticut case, perhaps. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Because he was saying that he and Matty haven't met before. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I think it's the first in terms of that. | ||
| But it's definitely after the Texas one. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I mean, it's after the one that I was at in Texas. | ||
| Gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| So, like, he's been deposed in. | ||
| At least a couple times in the Texas one. | ||
| All right, so he should be fairly good at this by now. | ||
| Let's set that stage. | ||
| If he was someone who liked to learn, if he was committed to lifelong learning, he would do much better. | ||
| So it turns out that Alex did not come alone to Connecticut. | ||
| There are people in tow, but he doesn't know who they are. | ||
| I understand that you arrived at our building today with somebody who was operating a digital camera device. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Is that right? | |
| You mean a phone? | ||
| Well, where did you arrive at our building with somebody who's filming you? | ||
| Yes, with a phone, yes. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| That's just one of the crew members. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| He's a new guy. | ||
| I forget his name. | ||
| It's Reese something. | ||
| Ouch! | ||
| He traveled with you from Texas? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For the purpose of filming you? | ||
| Just documenting in case anything happened, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And do you intend to publish the footage that he shoots on one of your broadcasts after this deposition? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But you want to be prepared to do that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And part of the reason you want to be prepared to do that is because you've been raising money from your audience and you advise them that you need their funds to help finance your litigation, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, you gotta think that's not a compliment that this person that I've flown up to Connecticut with, I don't know their name. | ||
| I barely know who they are. | ||
| It's a tampoon. | ||
| I always fuck that guy. | ||
| It's not like they flew in completely different parts of the plane, right? | ||
| I don't think this is true. | ||
| I'm gonna guess that Alex is being just evasive for the sake of it. | ||
| It's not like it's some kind of a... | ||
| Like a damning secret who this person is. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| Could it be? | ||
| It's not like his cameraman is David Duke or something. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| But it's a weird thing to be evasive about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who is this person who you have as your camera person? | ||
| Ethan Hunt. | ||
| And they're wearing a mask. | ||
| He's on a super secret mission. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's gotta stop. | ||
| Something else completely unrelated. | ||
| But because Alex is his contact through the knowing the hating the globalists, right, he's posing as Alex. | ||
| Completely unrelated thing. | ||
| It's just a coincidence. | ||
| I think that maybe it's a sign that anybody who has a seniority at Infowars can't take any time off because they need them back at the mothership, as Alex says. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Or, I don't know, it's just weird. | ||
| Or he just doesn't remember Buckley's name anymore. | ||
| No, Buckley's not going to do something like this anymore, I don't think. | ||
| So this, I believe, is a very important early exchange that goes on. | ||
| You do text people, don't you? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, you know that we have certain text messages that you've sent, correct? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we turned them all over to you guys, and you said we didn't, and you defaulted us, because you don't want us to be able to put on evidence in front of a jury. | ||
| Mr. Jones, when do you think was the first text message you produced to us? | ||
| And Chris, you, his side of the aisle in the V, I mean, the council... | ||
| Well, you said we. | ||
| So who did you mean by we, Mr. Jones? | ||
| Well, I mean, I know... | ||
| Just answer my question. | ||
| Who did you mean by we? | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Can you go back? | ||
| Yeah, you said we gave you everything. | ||
| Who's we? | ||
| I instructed in these cases to just turn over whatever it is people said turn over. | ||
| You know it's been a fiasco. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of emails, documents, all sorts of crap. | ||
| People searching my phone all the time. | ||
| The contentions, I remember, was stuff from years ago because text messages don't update. | ||
| People wanting stuff that doesn't exist when I'm not a big tech guy. | ||
| I don't understand how all that stuff works. | ||
| I don't know why some people's text messages stay. | ||
| Different services, they're different. | ||
| Used to, they would disappear in a couple weeks. | ||
| Now they go back usually a while. | ||
| So you're asking me, and it's really a technology issue. | ||
| The same things happen in the other case. | ||
| For sure, for sure. | ||
| Why does one person have text messages on their phone, but you don't have them? | ||
| And I don't understand. | ||
| Anybody that has cell phones knows. | ||
| That they're different ones and different things. | ||
| There's different things going on. | ||
| And I don't understand it all. | ||
| But as in the case with the emails, we should have just for cost of money been getting rid of them. | ||
| But we had them going back 15 years. | ||
| Tens of millions of them. | ||
| So you guys were able to get those. | ||
| So if anything, we have really no policy at all on data retention. | ||
| It's just retained unless things like text messages sometimes don't get saved. | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you have any knowledge of whether any text message of yours has ever been produced by you or Free Speech Systems to us? | ||
| Do you have any knowledge of that? | ||
| I believe they have. | ||
| Do you have any knowledge of that? | ||
| I don't have any documents in front of me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I didn't ask you if they had any documents in front of you. | ||
| I don't have any knowledge. | ||
| Okay, you don't have any knowledge of that. | ||
| So I think this is really critical because a key here is kind of putting aside Alex's bullshit talking points, namely that he complied fully with Discovery and that he was defaulted unfairly. | ||
| By just keeping on target, Matty is able to get Alex to concede that he has absolutely no idea what text messages were actually turned over to the plaintiff's lawyers. | ||
| Alex's pronouncements about how much he cooperated are matters of certainty when he's rambling on his show or when he's grandstanding at a disgraceful press conference outside the courtroom. | ||
| But when he's actually forced to answer yes or no, if he has any idea what he actually did for Discovery, he doesn't know anything. | ||
| This is Alex's answer because it's less of a problem than him saying that he insurgents. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, it's good because you have that dodge of we turned over everything. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What do you know about what you turned over? | ||
| Well, I believe I said this. | ||
| You don't know anything. | ||
| You're just making broad pronouncements about shit. | ||
| If you did not intentionally withhold things, then your explanation for why they don't have text messages is not... | ||
| The power of magic can compel phones to do any number of different things. | ||
| And I think a responsible party would be able to say, I looked over my stuff and on X, Y, or Z date, I informed my lawyers of this. | ||
| I turned it over to them on this date. | ||
| Because then you could start the ball rolling and be like, alright, then where did the breakdown happen? | ||
| Did your lawyers not turn over stuff to us that you turned over to them? | ||
| There's too many open questions in the, I believe all this stuff happened, and I think that's kind of intentional. | ||
| I think quite simply one of the easiest ways to believe anything somebody says about their text messages is if there's a text message saying, I texted you all of my text messages of some sort, or I've given you all of this information. | ||
| Wait, that would be sent via text. | ||
| Nah, some people's phones don't keep that stuff. | ||
| The stuff where they text you about the text? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| T-Mobile has a policy of erasing those texts. | ||
| That's a good policy. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| So now we get to what is maybe the classic beginning of a deposition question, which is, what did you do to prepare for this? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| What did you do to prepare for your deposition today? | ||
|
unidentified
|
What did you do to prepare for your deposition? | |
| I mean... | ||
| Really not much. | ||
| I don't eat, drink, and sleep Sandy Hook like you guys do. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Do you know what I eat, sleep, and drink, sir? | |
| You don't. | ||
| I mean, you don't care about Madeline Albright killing half a million kids. | ||
| You want to just villainize me because I'm a conservative. | ||
| I know it's all political. | ||
| And Sandy Hook happened 10 years ago, and I literally, you know, remember some of the big contentions, people questioning it, covering it. | ||
| And then you're saying, how do I prepare? | ||
| I have no idea what you're going to ask me in here. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Well, you have an idea because you've been deposed three times in Texas, don't you? | |
| I mean, that's totally... | ||
| If you can describe Bankston as deposing somebody, I guess. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I mean, it's just bizarre, all of this. | ||
| Whatever, right, Mr. Jones? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection to form. | |
| Whatever. | ||
| Objection to form is characterized as a testimony. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Tough. | |
| Alright, we're off to a good start. | ||
| I do wonder what Alex's, like, it's pointless argumentativeness that he's engaging in, but I wonder if there's an expectation or a hope that he'll say this, and then the lawyer will be like, you know what? | ||
| Fucking right. | ||
| Let's go get Madeline Albright. | ||
| She just died not too long ago, but let's fucking sue her first, and then take care of you. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Or, like, is he hoping somebody will be like, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Madeleine Albright is a bigger problem, and therefore this litigation is over. | ||
| Right, but what's the best case scenario for bringing up Madeleine Albright in this conversation? | ||
| Is it more like he's like, hey, you know what? | ||
| We're not talking about Madeleine Albright right now. | ||
| We're talking about you. | ||
| And then he can be like, ha-ha, I see that it's all political. | ||
| You don't even care about talking about Madeleine Albright. | ||
| It's not about Madeleine Albright with you, is it? | ||
| I think what it is is that Alex's mind works so much just on the basis of deflection. | ||
| Everything just comes down to, like, every question is answered with a... | ||
| This thing is this other thing. | ||
| I don't think he can stop himself. | ||
| I think it's just ingrained behavior in how he gets out of hard questions in his day-to-day life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it kind of works when there's no follow-up questions and when you're monologuing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it doesn't really work in a deposition. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, it reminds me of like... | ||
| You know, not to bring up, it's not about the divorce, but in the divorce trial where the lawyer is arguing like on the show he's one thing and then off the show he's another. | ||
| But the more we hear him in depositions where he has to not be on the show or in court when he has to not be on the show, he's on the show, man. | ||
| I don't know if he's ever not on. | ||
| I think that there's another thing going on here, and that is that by this point, Alex has had these Texas depositions. | ||
| The videos of them have been released on YouTube. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so there's a part of it that he may think, like, I'm kind of performing here. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I don't know the extent to which that would change his behavior. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But it's possible that dynamic's there. | ||
| Yeah, we really will have to... | ||
| Like, straight up Truman show him in order to observe him in his natural habitat. | ||
| We have to get rid of all the confounding variables. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| We have to put him in an ant farm of some sort in order to study his behavior. | ||
| So, like I said, this was the makeup deposition for the one that Alex canceled on. | ||
| And this comes up a little. | ||
| And you feel well today? | ||
| I feel pretty good. | ||
| Your head is clear. | ||
| I mean, I had a sinus infection and stuff, but I'm almost over it. | ||
| I heard about that. | ||
| Has that sinus blockage cleared up? | ||
| Well, it was very real. | ||
| I went to the other three depositions. | ||
| Believe me, I knew I was going to have to come up here if I was sick last week, but I thought it could have been something else, had a bunch of tests done, and then figured out it was a really bad sinus infection. | ||
| But I think the day after you found out it was a sinus blockage, you said to your audience that you feel like a new person, right? | ||
| Yeah, because I got on steroids. | ||
| And yeah, I was on the blockage. | ||
| If you watch the show, you know that's what I talked about. | ||
| So you feel good today? | ||
| I mean, I've still got really bad allergies, but I'm on Claritin-D and feel pretty good. | ||
| It makes me a little bit jittery, but I'm all right. | ||
| It's very strange, because he's trying to pretend that he's still recovering from this whatever. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| And then Maddie presents him with the, you said you were a new person the next day, fully over it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| Well, you know, I got allergies. | ||
| Shifting it a little bit, it's a very bizarre need to justify his pretending that he wasn't over whatever he bailed prior for. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I feel like I would want to, I mean, at that point I would be like, Alex, How can I ask you a question that you'll answer? | ||
| Like, maybe you should... | ||
| You write up a question that you can answer, and I'll kind of see what the vibe on it is. | ||
| We're going to go through hours of content here, and that question is not answered. | ||
| The how can I ask you a question you'll answer. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But there's also an element to this that I think that... | ||
| I don't understand why Alex doesn't just say, like, fucking ask your questions. | ||
| You know, like, there's... | ||
| He stands to lose very little by just being all business. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| He's already in the soup, up to his thorax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, he's not going to bail himself out. | ||
| There's not going to be, like, some escape hatch he's gonna find by saying just the right evasive thing. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It would just serve everyone's purposes better if you're just like, alright, let's do this. | ||
| Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Or even if you have to be kind of a blunt dick. | ||
| In order to do that, your image is already shot. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Just be an asshole. | ||
| We're all kind of watching Alex in the bottom of an hourglass as it fills with sand, and he's struggling to get out, and he thinks he's going to get out, and as we all watch, we're like, that's... | ||
| The sand's just gonna cover your neck, man. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| You're done for. | ||
| You might as well relax and join Infinity like Toy Story 3. So the question comes up of whether or not Alex will appear in court. | ||
| And I gotta say, I kind of agree with him on this one. | ||
| In that he says, not if I don't have to. | ||
| I don't want to be there. | ||
| That's a really good point. | ||
| And then, you know, he just rambles. | ||
| The testimony that you give. | ||
| In this case, could be presented to a jury. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that jury is going to be sitting in Waterbury, Connecticut. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And the trial in this matter is currently scheduled for September. | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you plan to appear for that trial? | ||
| I mean, if I need to be, I will. | ||
| Well, you're a defendant in the case, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, I believe it's rigged. | ||
| And so, I mean, you guys are going to rig your deal? | ||
| It's like you're... | ||
| You think the jury's rigged? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| He's not finished with the session. | ||
| I mean, since when is somebody guilty and then a jury decides how guilty? | ||
| And then even in Texas, they're pushing where we can't even defend ourselves. | ||
| So, I mean, if you guys think that's America and you guys have got all these big ideas and stuff, then, you know, it's just to me. | ||
| I've had family with cancer and people die and really bad stuff in my life. | ||
| So this is nothing. | ||
| This is just a bunch of politicians and lawyers. | ||
| That want to make money and become famous off of dead kids while claiming I'm the one that got famous off of Sandy Hook when it's completely opposite. | ||
| All Sandy Hook's done is hurt me from the first times I questioned it. | ||
| Move to strike is non-responsive. | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you plan to appear to testify in front of the jury in September? | ||
| If I need to be there, I will be there, yes. | ||
| You'd prefer not to be there? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Of course I would prefer not to be there. | ||
| That's a great honest answer. | ||
| That's the most honest answer. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you fully accepted responsibility for what's happened or not. | ||
| There's no way you would want to be there. | ||
| I'm a monster. | ||
| I'm a bad person. | ||
| Now, actually... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Alex's presentation should be, yes, I do want to be there. | ||
| I want to prove my innocence. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's time for me to fight. | ||
| I want to stand up to how I'm being wronged in the public. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But on a very human level, of course I don't want to fucking be there. | ||
| I mean, even then, even if you're fighting your good name, on a human level, I don't want to be in a situation where I have to fight for my good name. | ||
| I would prefer, I would like to be on a beach somewhere. | ||
| That's a reasonable response. | ||
| All things being equal, I don't want to be there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now that the situation is what it is, Alex should want to stand up and prove that he can look this firing squad in the face. | ||
| Now that I have no choice but to be there, then yes, I want to be there. | ||
| But of course, the case is a setup. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Except it's not. | ||
| And so, Maddie decides to explain to Alex a little bit of why the default happened. | ||
| And this turns... | ||
| Ugly. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if that was a wise choice. | ||
| Well, it's good to get it out there. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| And make sure that Alex understands these things. | ||
| Can you? | ||
| No. | ||
| But there are a couple points in this deposition where I got, like, really deeply uncomfortable. | ||
| And this was one of them. | ||
| I was like, already we are off the rails. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you understand that you were defaulted by the court here. | ||
| For, among other things, presenting fabricated financial information from your company. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| That's not true though. | ||
| Okay, but do you understand that's what the court found? | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Do you understand that you were defaulted for refusing to present, to produce to the plaintiffs analytics information about your website performance? | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Do you understand that that's one of the reasons you were defaulted? | ||
| I understand that the judge made what I believe to be a fraudulent ruling. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| And that's Judge Bellis, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Judge Bellis is best friends with one of your main partners here, that one, yeah. | ||
| Oh, how'd you find that out? | ||
| Oh, we know a lot. | ||
| Oh, you do? | ||
| Which partner? | ||
| We'll just... | ||
| No, no, go ahead, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Which partner is Judge Bellis best friends with? | ||
| When it hits the news... | ||
| Mr. Jones, which partner of mine is Judge Barbara Bellis best friends with? | ||
| I forget. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you... | ||
| Chris, can we go to the hall for one more minute? | ||
| No, we may not. | ||
| We're going to keep going here. | ||
| I'm going to object to the snide commentary on Mr. Jones' remarks. | ||
|
unidentified
|
They may not... | |
| I'm not looking to pick a fight with you. | ||
| Okay, well, I asked Mr. Jones whether he could support his claim just now that he made, casting an aspersion on the presiding judge, and he said that he could not remember all of a sudden. | ||
| And I said, oh. | ||
| I said, oh. | ||
| All right, well, we're going to go ahead and continue, Mr. Jones. | ||
| So, you don't remember, right? | ||
| Even though you just made an assertion of bias against the presiding judge. | ||
| Claiming that she's best friends with a partner in my office. | ||
| Well, it's my journalistic privilege from sources to not reveal that. | ||
| I didn't ask who your source was. | ||
| I asked who the partner was. | ||
| You don't remember that? | ||
| We're not ready to release that information at this time. | ||
| You're a journalist? | ||
| I do wear journalistic hats. | ||
| Also, I'm a pundit. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's kind of fun because I don't think Alex was expecting that response at all. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He's used to throwing out these accusations and not like, oh, what do you mean by that? | ||
| Uh, shit. | ||
| Oh, I don't want to name a name because then I'm going to end up in a situation where I'm basically accusing the judge and one of these lawyers of being in a collusion of sorts. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that might be a problem. | ||
| I am wondering if Alex believes, like, does he inherently, like, almost instinctively just... | ||
| Hit the mute button whenever he's talking and he says something. | ||
| Does he accidentally press his finger on the table just to be like, well, clearly they can't speak. | ||
| What?! | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| I mean, it's outrageous, this response. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How? | ||
| And Norm's real weird there with the way you said, oh, is so good. | ||
| To what degree is Norm a lawyer? | ||
| I feel like this is insane. | ||
| That we are all pretending Norm has any understanding of what's going on at any point in time. | ||
| I think he does, and I think that there probably is actually an objection to be made there. | ||
| You know, I agree. | ||
| I think under normal circumstances, maybe snide comments are actually a tone problem for lawyers in this setting. | ||
| Unfortunately, you're deposing Alex fucking Jones, and he's being a real asshole. | ||
| The problem I have is just... | ||
| Just if I'm a good lawyer, the only thing I keep thinking is I need to make sure Alex says as little as possible. | ||
| Well, we'll get to that later. | ||
| And I need to interrupt him. | ||
| Objection, Your Honor! | ||
| My defendant is a piece of shit! | ||
| Like, I would throw that out there. | ||
| Like, fucking watermelons on his face. | ||
| Anything to keep him from talking. | ||
| Well, Norm does basically tell Alex to shut up. | ||
| Okay, well, that's smart. | ||
| But it takes a while to get there. | ||
| And it might only be because Alex is about to say something that implicates him. | ||
| Alright, well, C-. | ||
| C-. | ||
| Norm may be in self-protection mode more than Alex's protection mode. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But, yeah, that was chaotic. | ||
| I felt uncomfortable during that. | ||
| But I like the way that Maddie approached that, of the... | ||
| Oh, you're a journalist. | ||
| There's a nice way of like, we're not landing this plane yet. | ||
| You think that you've found this great place where you can stake your claim and it's going to be safe for you to say like, I'm not going to give up my source. | ||
| Oh, whoops, it's not a source. | ||
| Oh, I am a journalist. | ||
| Oh, you're a journalist. | ||
| What about how your corporate representatives have consistently testified that you are not a journalist in order to avoid the responsibilities that come with that? | ||
| I wear that hat. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Sometimes I'm a pundit. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, we know that Alex got a loan from his dad to start his business. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What we didn't know is some other things that his dad did to help him start his business. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| As it turns out, in the early days of Alex's career, he had his businesses, Infowars.com, LLC, and Prison Planet, LLC, under a holding company called Magnolia Partners. | ||
| And here is a little bit of a discussion of what that was. | ||
| Are the founder and owner of Infowars Health, LLC correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Infowars, LLC. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Prison Planet TV LLC? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Now, those companies were previously held by Magnolia Limited Partnership, correct? | ||
| All of them, Chris, including FSS? | ||
| No, I'm sorry. | ||
| Just InfoWars Health LLC, InfoWars LLC, and Prison Planet TV LLC. | ||
| I am not. | ||
| I'm really an expert on these, and I get these confused. | ||
| That's why we had the corporate rep come study it all. | ||
| And so they would get it right. | ||
| And so I would stand on what her testimony was. | ||
| I'm asking you what your understanding is, is the owner of these companies, whether they were ever held by Magnolia Limited Partnership. | ||
| Magnolia Limited Partnership was a dental company management bank account used to pay employees by my dad. | ||
| And when I was about 21 or so, it had like $10,000 in it. | ||
| And he said, hey, this has good business credit. | ||
| And you can get, because I was starting to sell things online, or sell things, and he said, you can have this bank account in this company. | ||
| And that's what that Magnolia Limited Partnership was. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you used that as a holding company for the three companies I just mentioned, correct? | ||
| I really can't say because I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it's on record. | ||
| So when you think about getting a loan, that's one thing, and that's very helpful. | ||
| Getting a corporate bank account that has good credit and money and such is an entirely different thing. | ||
| The opportunities that are open to Alex because of his dad bequeathing him this corporate bank account is... | ||
| That is a huge privilege that he had. | ||
| A huge step up as opposed to someone else trying to do the sort of thing that he was doing. | ||
| A small business loan without collateral is either a loan shark or you're going away with no money. | ||
| The ability to possibly... | ||
| Get items on credit that you would then resell. | ||
| The ability for him to make his films that he would then resell. | ||
| A lower interest rate beyond what can be considered. | ||
| The impact of these things are huge. | ||
| And Alex refusing to recognize the ways in which he had... | ||
| Shortcuts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In his early career and how those allowed him to create what he was able to create. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think is a little bit shitty. | ||
| And the awareness of the deepening of that that comes from this is... | ||
| I mean, it just makes his life and his illusions about himself all the sadder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, the thing about it is, like, I still can't believe... | ||
| The things that so many people have done for me to go to college, there was a serious number of people who had to step up and do a lot of things to help me out. | ||
| And even though I absolutely wasted their work, destroyed their ambitions for me, and sent them crying into the bathroom. | ||
| I will never not recognize what they've done for me and how that's gotten me here, you know? | ||
| Like, the idea of me, you know, I would never be like, oh, I came from nothing and I'm a self-made man, but it's, yeah, it's absurd. | ||
| I mean, like, this podcast, I guess we... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We could say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it would be ridiculous to imagine that, like, that on your side and things that I'm lucky enough that my parents have been able to help with over the course of my life didn't facilitate and allow us to ever be in the position where we were even struggling to build this at the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not taking that into account, I think, is really a way to Self-mythologize in a way that I think is unhealthy. | ||
| Yeah, it also goes both ways. | ||
| There is a certain part of that that's also kind of very helpful. | ||
| When you were selling your blood, you can also say, if it weren't for my parents, I wouldn't be here, now would I? | ||
| Wouldn't be selling my blood. | ||
| Exactly, so it works both ways. | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| So, the issue of Google Analytics comes up, and Alex has some interesting answers to whether or not he uses Google Analytics, and that is that in under a minute, he seems to both use them and not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You familiar with Google Analytics? | ||
| I'm familiar with it, yes. | ||
| Google Analytics is a program that allows you to track traffic and other activity on your websites, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That data is something that you've consulted throughout your career to learn about your website's performance, correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| You've never looked at Google Analytics data during the course of your career? | ||
| I have. | ||
| For what purposes? | ||
| To generally see how popular the site is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Isn't that exactly what you just said no to? | ||
| Well, I didn't look to see how well the site was doing. | ||
| I looked to see how popular the site was amongst people. | ||
| It's very... | ||
| Completely different things! | ||
| Alright, so if I'm looking to see if the site is doing well, I'd be like, oh, is there 100,000 people? | ||
| That's a different thing. | ||
| If you want to check if the site's doing well, you've got to check its blood pressure. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| I'm checking to see how many people are smiling! | ||
| Very, very bizarre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex, I think, realizes that he's in shaky territory here. | ||
| And so as more questions are there about these statistics and him watching them, he launches into his standard patented rant. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| About how you need to bring me the Google. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Bring me Google. | ||
| Bring it to him. | ||
| I mean, it was obviously important to you to know what your website's performance was, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I'm not a traditional corporate media outlet. | ||
| Free packages what they're going to do and what they're going to say and then tailors it to whatever the corporate bosses say. | ||
| I'd fly by the seat of my pants when it comes to the finances and analyzing stuff. | ||
| And I've tried to explain this to you guys. | ||
| Google Analytics is an interface into Google. | ||
| So when you say it's just the back end, regular Google search is the front end. | ||
| So it'd be like if you asked me what you guys did, give us the Google Analytics. | ||
| It's like saying, give me the Google. | ||
| You go in there, and it's just like rocket science. | ||
| And the guys, Chris Andrews and Tim Friget, went to a few meetings with, like, search-ins of an optimization people and stuff, I remember, because they wanted to be more professional, and they wanted to try to figure out ways to, like, bring in outside advertising and things, and so they poked around in there. | ||
| And I would just like, because it's just like... | ||
| I mean, it's literally rocket science. | ||
| And that's the truth. | ||
| I did look at Alexa some just to say, hey, wow, look, you know, we're popular, this or that. | ||
| Or to see how stories we got linked to. | ||
| We're getting a lot of traffic. | ||
| I mean, I did do this. | ||
| So? | ||
| It was very simple to see. | ||
| It was kind of a public site that was more geared towards understanding things. | ||
| Google Analytics. | ||
| It's like saying, give me the phone book. | ||
| Forgive me, the Library of Congress. | ||
| Like, well, give me the Library of Congress. | ||
| You're like, well, what do you want at the Library of Congress? | ||
| And it's like with the emails. | ||
| Give us all these emails. | ||
| And we have millions of emails. | ||
| And here they are. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I can tell that you're focused to some extent on the material that either has or hasn't been turned over. | ||
| All I'm asking you right now is whether or not you made efforts to understand. | ||
| How your website was performing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's all we needed. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wow. | |
| Instead of that whole two-minute rant, you could have just said yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| My partner has taught elementary school before, and that feeling of like, Alex, what are you... | ||
| I understand that you have some feelings about some things. | ||
| That is not what we're talking about. | ||
| I just need a yes or no answer to this question because it's very simple. | ||
| I know Larissa has caused problems in the past, but right now we're talking about you. | ||
| I love the idea, too, that going into Google Analytics is like rocket science. | ||
| Kind of ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, that is a question that I have, is that I feel like it's very clear from the trial and from these depositions that we've watched that it has been explained to Alex how bad it is for them to know all the Google Analytics data, right? | ||
| It has to have been. | ||
| Yes, I believe so, because it, especially around the time of, and it's the primest example, the nobody, the FBI says no one was killed. | ||
| at Sandy Hook article that Alex put out. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
The intense spike that came from the publication of that article, then the interview with Wolfgang Halbig the next day. | |
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Like those trends that you see in that Google Analytics for Alex to be aware of that. | |
| And for his dad to have testified that they try to replicate things that worked well. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| These things don't work to Alex's best interest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So yeah, I would assume that somebody maybe made him aware of the optics of that being incredibly bad. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's the question that I have is, if that was explained to him... | ||
| Then there has to have been meetings or something. | ||
| There had to have been a group of them together kind of talking, right? | ||
| And I would like to know what else was explained as the line and what isn't the line. | ||
| I would imagine maybe a lawyer, maybe a norm conversation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know, though. | ||
| I mean, we are speculating quite heavily. | ||
| Well, sure, we can never know, but that's what I'd like to, you know, if I had my druthers of if I could be on the wall and that kind of thing. | ||
| The things like that, the evasiveness and the ambiguity that's so clear about the Google Analytics, it strikes me the same way as the wishy-washy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know that these things, should the facts of them as they are be established, and you have to accept them, you know that looks terrible. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know... | |
| Looking at what Dan Badondi did, knowing that you told him to do that, and that you probably paid him to do that, you know that any right-thinking person is going to look at that and be like, you paid this man to harass the people in Sandy Hook. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| So I'm gonna say I didn't. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| You know you can't accept that conclusion, and so everything has to be done to... | ||
| Sort of wiggle around it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there were several of those things that were very clear as we go through, because they're the company line. | ||
| If you see Daria, Brittany, and Owen, and everybody say the same thing, then it's kind of clear that it's been disseminated through the group. | ||
| This is our line. | ||
| There were a bunch of things, though, where it's like, this could have been the line, or they could have just had no idea that this line of questioning was going to show up. | ||
| So I would be interested to know what it was that they were prepared for in that way. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| And another thing I think would be interesting is that you can tell if you listen to these that there are things that are like a great bulk of things that the answer is just I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then there are other things where there's a rant. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that is notable to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what exactly it means, but yeah, it does give the appearance of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, the question comes up of, hey, buddy, do you know any shows that do what you do? | ||
| Especially shows of your size? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| And Alex does come up with Glenn Beck. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| At the time, they were similar size and what have you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But the follow-up of, did any show that you can name talk about Sandy Hook like you did? | ||
| Alex has trouble with that. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Uh-oh. | |
| At least as of 2012. | ||
| I mean, there was nobody else in the American media landscape that was doing what you were doing. | ||
| Fair to say? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, that's not true. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Who else had an audience of your size in 2012 that was covering things the way you covered them? | ||
| Objection is to form. | ||
| Glenn Beck. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anybody else? | ||
| There were. | ||
| Hundreds of popular shows that had substantive audiences. | ||
| Anybody else among those shows that had substantive audiences claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax? | ||
| That you know of? | ||
| I don't think it was a show as big as mine saying that, but it was definitely a lot of people that had radio shows and things. | ||
| Can you name me one person who had a radio show who claimed that Sandy Hook was a hoax as you sit here today? | ||
| Other than you? | ||
| I don't have a computer in front of me, but there were people that questioned it, definitely. | ||
| It was a big controversy. | ||
| And people that covered the controversy. | ||
| Garrison Keillor was all over it. | ||
| Yeah, I was gonna say, what else do you got? | ||
| There was a radio host in Lake Wobegon who was really on the cutting edge of this stuff. | ||
| Listen, listen, I know it sounds weird, but there was a Detroit Tigers broadcast that was, strangely enough... | ||
| All about Sandy Hook for a while. | ||
| This is going to really be shocking, but Fresh Air was largely about Sandy Hook being a hoax for about six months. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| Fresh Air's a little bit weird like that, you know? | ||
| They have seasons. | ||
| All things considered, do they consider all things? | ||
| I think they do. | ||
| It's in the name. | ||
| If they did consider all things, then they would have considered this. | ||
| It's a tautology. | ||
| Logically, I think we can conclude that they also spent the same amount of time on it as I did. | ||
| So there's a discussion about the Second Amendment, of course, because always. | ||
| And there's the expectation that you talk about the importance of the Second Amendment defensively. | ||
| That's what Alex is bringing up. | ||
| It's defensive. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Maddie gives a couple of points of like, yeah, but eventually you're gonna need to fight this oppressive government. | ||
| Right, the idea is... | ||
| Eventually you're gonna need to use those guns in an offensive manner against it. | ||
| You know, there's going to be that. | ||
| The gun is for shooting. | ||
| And Alex eventually has to give it and be like, yeah, alright, we're gonna have to fight UN troops. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| As part of this resistance to... | ||
| The global new world order. | ||
| You'd agree with me that your view is that an armed populace may be necessary to fight them off, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If we get invaded during an economic collapse by United Nations forces, they're confiscating our guns and putting us in the camps. | ||
| Then people do have a right and a duty to protect themselves and their family, and that's what the Second Amendment is enshrined for. | ||
| It's also the First Amendment is enshrined to be able to speak up so we don't ever have to use the Second Amendment on a wide scale. | ||
| Because there's nothing that these globalists won't do to achieve global domination, right? | ||
| There's not much they won't do. | ||
| I mean, one of the things that you've accused them of doing is manufacturing the COVID crisis as a way to depopulate, correct? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It was cooked up by a consortium of globalists. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Peter Daszak, Bill Gates, and of course Fauci, and developed at the North Carolina Chapel Hill facility, then moved in 2015 to Wuhan. | ||
| We have all the documents where they had to develop. | ||
| You have all the documents. | ||
| COVID-19. | ||
| And developed it into an aerosolized weapon. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I love that response to him saying these things because it's just, it rolls off my back like water on a duck. | ||
| You know, the, I've got all the documents. | ||
| The response of, you've got all the documents? | ||
| It's so funny because you just expect like the, could you produce them? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| The answer is, of course. | ||
| No, of course I can. | ||
| I'll give it to you tomorrow. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Right along when I give you that Bloomberg email. | ||
| Yeah, that's fun. | ||
| I do appreciate the idea. | ||
| It had not occurred to me before that the First Amendment was there. | ||
| To keep the Second Amendment from being used. | ||
| Ah, see, that makes sense. | ||
| Well, the Second Amendment is unfortunate. | ||
| You know, you need it, but it is a method of last resort. | ||
| There's a certain logic to it. | ||
| There is, you know, like, listen, it's okay to talk, right? | ||
| But when the talking's done, you gotta do the shooting. | ||
| First Amendment's talking, Second Amendment's shooting. | ||
| Well, here's the reality. | ||
| The pen is mightier than the sword. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the gun, more powerful than the tongue. | ||
| It's a lot more powerful than the sword and the pen. | ||
| Put it together, yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, tongue, sword, pen. | ||
| I got the tongue and the pen mixed up, but it's all speech. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| It's there! | ||
| Alright, I got the documents. | ||
| Second Amendment. | ||
| So, you can see there, too, something that I believe is a thread of questioning that goes on through this, and that is that the globalists will do anything. | ||
| They will do anything. | ||
| And so Maddie does line up a list of these things that Alex has called false flags. | ||
| You know, Oklahoma City, Columbine, all of this. | ||
| And I think part of it is to make it like, why would it be any more extreme for them to do Sandy Hook? | ||
| In your mind, right? | ||
| They would do anything. | ||
| It's not really that outside your ideas at all. | ||
| It's almost a weird sense of normalizing it within his ideology. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I think he would be adverse to be like, well, I wouldn't say that they do this or something. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| Like, no, this is right on par with everything that you say. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's priming him to be more receptive to just being like, yeah. | ||
| Well, and defending his own worldview. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I think that there's a piece of that, whether it's intentional or not. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But yeah, he goes through a number of these shootings and terrorist false flags that Alex has covered, and one of them stuck out to me. | ||
| Then in 2011, you claimed that the shooting of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, which took the lives of six people and wounded 13 others, was a staged operation, correct? | ||
| He was mentally ill and I believe may have been under mind control. | ||
| What you said was it was a staged operation, correct? | ||
| In context, I think I remember saying that, yes. | ||
| And who is it that you said was under mind control? | ||
| The individual that did the shooting. | ||
| Do you remember his name? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| He was an audience member of yours, was he not? | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| Yeah, so there's a couple things here. | ||
| First is that... | ||
| You know, Alex has these grandiose ideas about like, oh, this was a mind control person. | ||
| You don't even remember their fucking name. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You don't care about this at all. | ||
| You just have like a little bit of a detail that you remember like, oh, that's what we can say about this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you actually thought this person was like a mind control subject who tried to kill Gabby Giffords and killed a bunch of other people, I think it would be maybe a more important data point, you know, in the... | ||
| Cosmology of your ideas. | ||
| I'm gonna throw this up. | ||
| If you could prove to me that somebody had been mind-controlled into attempting to assassinate a political figure... | ||
| That would be the only thing I'm interested in moving forward. | ||
| We gotta figure out this mind control shit because I can't trust what anyone is saying to me anymore. | ||
| Imagine if Alex dedicated himself to proving anything as opposed to just deciding everything is proven. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah! | |
| If you could prove mind control, I am on your team because fuck if I know what I believe is true anymore. | ||
| Everybody's mind controlled if mind control is possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, then you get into the whole, like, well, if a simulation's possible... | ||
| Sure, yeah, all right, fine. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Mind control's off the table, then. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't care. | |
| So, this Gabby Gifford shooting is part of a line of, like, you know, Columbine, all of these shootings, and the intention behind this is to demonstrate to Alex that there is a pattern that is very clear, and that is the day of these things, you say they're fake. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| That is what you do. | ||
| Your audience expects it. | ||
| It is just how this works. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And so we get to the Aurora shooting and Alex tries to play dumb on that one. | |
| I believe that was a few days later when it was in the local newspaper that he told People in the jail, the guards, that he was under mind control. | ||
| Are you denying that on the day of the shooting itself, you said there was a 100% chance it was a false flag? | ||
| I may have said that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know you said that, don't you? | ||
| No, I don't know that I said I don't have it in front of me. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Well, why don't we show Exhibit 102A. | ||
| That's got to be a nightmare. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't... | ||
| I'm trying to play fast and loose here, and when I hear, well, let's play this clip, it's like, wow, all right, now I'm going to watch myself say the thing I was trying to be a little bit cagey about. | ||
| The idea of being in a deposition and saying, I believe something happened to the lawyer who you know... | ||
| He knows the answer to every question. | ||
| He's not asking questions for information, man! | ||
| See, Alex is... | ||
| He's just asking questions! | ||
| He's operating on the assumption of, like, alright, this lawyer knows the answer to 99% of the questions, and they only want me to answer that 1%, because that'll really screw me over. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Is that what he's doing? | |
| If I just pretend to not know anything, that's how I'm gonna get around it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that's the thought process, but... | ||
| It's a little bit dumb. | ||
| So they play the clip of Alex saying that. | ||
| And this is awesome. | ||
| This is a great attempt on Alex's part to weasel away. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Did you see that dated there July 20th, 2012? | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| Where is that? | ||
|
unidentified
|
At the beginning of the video where it said Infowars Live. | |
| That was the day of the shooting. | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| Thank you for refreshing my memory. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On the day of the shooting, you said it was 100% chance false flag, right? | ||
| Yeah, I think that's a play on words. | ||
| Chance. | ||
| What? | ||
| 100% chance. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You had 100% certainty in what you meant. | |
| No, I meant 100% chance that could be going on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ah, you see. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was eloquent wordplay. | ||
| I don't know if the quiver of arrows can be more empty if Alex is residing himself to word games. | ||
| Like, ah, what if I play with language at you, lawyer? | ||
| You see, it was a pun. | ||
| That's not going to work, man. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| It's great, though. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| You do see, like... | ||
| One of the things that I really enjoy about these depositions is that, like, that's unnecessary. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| It's Alex grasping at straws for no reason. | ||
| No reason. | ||
| At all. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it is all too often, like, the kids say the darndest things whenever you're like... | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why would you say that, you child? | ||
| Well, it's so easy for Alex to just admit that he said that, because there's a video of it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| And then if asked why, say, I don't know, or that was my belief at the time. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| You don't need to say, like, word games. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| That's bananas. | ||
| You're not gonna get out of this. | ||
| Also, I think it's reasonable if you didn't remember that you said that on the day. | ||
| You say a bunch of bullshit every day. | ||
| You don't care what you say. | ||
| Of course you don't remember you said it on that day, but when he says, did you say it on the day, just be like, yeah, probably. | ||
| I must have. | ||
| Yeah, if you asked me, I totally did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get to Sandy Hook, and of course the pattern has been established through this line of questions that the day of these tragedies, you deny them. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| Your audience knows. | ||
| It's the game. | ||
| And then, Alex, something kind of shocked me was the question comes up of whether or not he watched his show from that day. | ||
| To prepare for any of these cases. | ||
| And I would have thought, you probably watched it. | ||
| I mean, at least a little bit. | ||
| Maybe on two times speed? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nope. | |
| Mr. Jones, after having claimed your audience of millions that each of the events we just went through were staged by the government, you went on the air on December 14, 2012. | ||
| To discuss a shooting that had happened that morning in Connecticut, correct? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| So. | ||
| On the morning of December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza shot his way into San Diego Elementary School. | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He killed 20 children and six adults, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you were at your studio in Texas that day, right? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| And your show aired at its regular time, 11 a.m. Central? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you started talking about Sandy Hook, didn't you? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| And you knew exactly what you were going to say, too? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| I think we were covering what the news was up to and what people were saying, what callers were calling in. | ||
| No caller that called in told you that Sandy Hook was staged, did they? | ||
| I haven't reviewed that show. | ||
| You produced it to us. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| I told them to give you everything we had. | ||
| And you didn't think that you might want to review your broadcast from the day of the shooting? | ||
| Again, I really try to not think about Sandy Hook because... | ||
| I get bombarded with it, so no, I've not been reviewing much of this stuff. | ||
| There was a pause there, and that is kind of like him realizing, well, that does look bad that I didn't review this. | ||
| We're going to have to explain this. | ||
| And I would like to translate what he's saying. | ||
| That, like, I don't like to think about Sandy Hook or whatever, that's him saying, I don't want to face what I did. | ||
| That is entirely... | ||
| I'm too much of a coward to own up to the fact that I behaved this way and it caused this much pain to people. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, well, part of that was... | ||
| It literally never occurred to me to do so. | ||
| That is not something I want to do. | ||
| I have built up psychological roadblocks that won't allow me to even come close to reckoning with my own actions. | ||
| That thought never occurred to me. | ||
| It is verboten. | ||
| It's pretty important to understand and recognize, especially in hindsight, that Alex, when he got on air that day, had no information. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| When he's saying this looks like a false flag, this looks fake, he had nothing other than himself. | ||
| Same thing that we were looking at, he was looking at, and he had no more information than us. | ||
| We did not call it a false flag. | ||
| And he has these quote-unquote anomalies that he can look at and say like... | ||
| No, they don't jive. | ||
| No, and he can use that to justify his suspicions and all this, but none of that was anywhere in his mind immediately. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There were no... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so that comes up, and this is weird. | ||
| I mean, I could go back over some of the anomalies. | ||
| I'm sure you'll bring them up. | ||
| I'm asking you on that day. | ||
| It was the reports of multiple shooters, the man in the woods, the camo, some of the responses and things about the first responders, and we'd seen other events that we had questions about, and so we were obviously looking to see if it was a staged event. | ||
| And you had none of that information available to you when you went on the air, did you? | ||
| Again, I need to go back to the timetable of that, but if I'm sitting there saying this could be staged, I mean, a lot of stuff's staged, of course it could be staged. | ||
| And you then titled the video that you published that day, Connecticut School Massacre Looks Like False Flag, Witnesses Say. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| I don't remember that, but that's a... | ||
| You title your own videos, right? | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Actually, that's your practice, correct? | |
| I genuinely like to try to title some of the videos. | ||
| It's your practice to do it. | ||
| Didn't do it yesterday. | ||
| Didn't do it Sunday. | ||
| No, I don't do it all the time. | ||
| Yes, I do title the videos when I get a chance to. | ||
| Nico Acosta was your long-time producer, correct? | ||
| He was a radio booker, yes. | ||
| He was your long-time producer of your show, was he not? | ||
| Yes, but that has a different... | ||
| Testified in this case? | ||
| Are you aware of that? | ||
| Nope. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| I mean, I knew he testified. | ||
| I don't know what he testified to. | ||
| Now, not a single witness that you spoke to. | ||
| First of all, you didn't speak to any witnesses that day who witnessed the shooting, correct? | ||
| I was watching it on television and hearing what the witnesses were saying. | ||
| You were watching witnesses on television speak? | ||
| I was watching when people were saying on television. | ||
| And not a single witness said that it was a false flag, did they? | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| You just said earlier... | ||
| You think a witness... | ||
| You're saying you saw news reports? | ||
| You saw news reports that day? | ||
| As you were watching? | ||
| As you were broadcasting? | ||
| I think we're playing part of the news reports on air live. | ||
| As you were broadcasting? | ||
| And you think... | ||
| And one of those news reports included what? | ||
| An interview of a witness? | ||
| I will go back and I will review that first day. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
|
unidentified
|
So you don't know. | |
| I mean, I agree. | ||
| I questioned it right away. | ||
| Do you think that a witness on the air told you that the massacre looked like a false flag? | ||
| No, I'm telling you that... | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| I haven't reviewed the broadcast in a while. | ||
| I shouldn't comment on it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you have no idea whether any witness to the shooting ever said that it looked like a false flag, correct? | ||
| I can't speak to something that I've not reviewed. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Well, you... | ||
| You lived it, didn't you? | ||
| It was ten years ago. | ||
| So, yeah, this line of questioning is just a disastrous falling off a cliff for Alex. | ||
| The title of that video, Sandy Hook shooting looks like a false flag witnesses say, is such a disaster because... | ||
| The question, the follow-up obviously is, what witnesses? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| This is all nonsense. | ||
| And you can't answer that, because you don't have an answer to that. | ||
| Yeah, it is interesting to look at somebody, to watch in real time as somebody finally sees themselves from the outside. | ||
| Because inside he's like, okay, you know what? | ||
| I did some bad things. | ||
| But I'm not guilty. | ||
| And then whenever he sees himself through that lens of like, oh, I really can't explain that. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I really can't. | |
| I look the most guilty anyone's ever looked. | ||
| Are you trying to tell me you turned on CNN and a witness to the shooting said, looks fake? | ||
| Well, now that you say it like that. | ||
| Because that's what your headlines seem to imply. | ||
| Or did you have conversations with witnesses who told you that off air? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| None of it. | ||
| It is like you woke up really, really sleepy, you weren't paying attention, and your friends had put you inside a dolphin costume, and you went to the liquor store, and you were like, oh, I'm gonna go get some gum or something, and everybody's like, you are wearing a dolphin costume, and you're like, ah, I'm fine. | ||
| No biggie. | ||
| So this next clip is a little bit longer. | ||
| I'm gonna say mic down for this, even though it's about four minutes. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| And the reason is because this is... | ||
| Pretty intense. | ||
| The question is about the Robbie Parker press conference, which, as we know, Alex basically just played the first two seconds of. | ||
| And the question has to do with whether or not he ever even watched the full conference. | ||
| So a very simple yes or no question you have just described. | ||
| It's going to lead to a four-minute clip that I need to put my mic down for. | ||
| Well, because it takes a turn. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Now, that day after the Sandy Hook tragedy, a father of one of the children spoke to the press outside his church. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did you watch that live? | ||
| I watched it. | ||
| I don't remember if I watched it live. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't remember if I watched it live. | |
| When did you watch it? | ||
| I know I've watched the Robbie Parker videos that you're talking about. | ||
| I'm talking about the statement that Mr. Parker gave the day after the shooting. | ||
| I've watched it many times, and I watched it back at that time. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Ten years later, how I watched it or exactly when I watched it. | ||
| Did you watch the whole thing? | ||
| I mean, I watched... | ||
| What is the whole thing again? | ||
| Did you watch his entire statement to the press that evening? | ||
| I remember watching the whole press conference. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's play. | ||
| And you think you did it around the time that he gave it, although you can't say exactly when. | ||
| I mean, really, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I know the statement. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| I don't remember when exactly I watched it 10 years ago. | ||
| What was his child's name who was murdered at San Diego? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't remember. | |
| Can you name a single person who was murdered at San Diego? | ||
| Back at the time, we've said some of the names, but most of the people that sued me, I never said their names. | ||
| So, I mean, like I said, I'm not... | ||
| In fact, I'm not going to say their names now because they'll edit it or something. | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you know the name of a single person who was killed at San Diego? | ||
| Yes, I know some of their names. | ||
| Okay, go ahead and tell me which names you know. | ||
| You'll edit it or something. | ||
| I'm not giving you what you want. | ||
| Oh, yes, you are. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, you want to make them say their names? | |
| No, I want to see whether you're lying or not when you say you know them. | ||
| Noah Posner. | ||
| Okay, can you give me another one? | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Can you give me another one? | ||
| I didn't kill those children, even though people in the public come up to me and say I killed them. | ||
| And I'm not going to say their names so you can edit it together and act like I did something to them. | ||
| There's a court record of what you say here. | ||
| So, other than Bill Posner, can you name a single person who was murdered at Sandy Hook? | ||
| Yes, and I'm done doing parlor tricks. | ||
| Okay, who? | ||
| You're going to answer the question. | ||
| There's no reason to instruct him in that way. | ||
| If you need relief from the court, may we have a brief moment? | ||
| No, we may not. | ||
| We just took a break. | ||
| Can you name a single person who was murdered at Sandy Hook other than Noah Posner? | ||
| Yes, if I need to go into my mind and dredge it up, I probably can, but I'm not going to sit here and say their names for you so you can have something for your HBO movie you're making. | ||
| Mr. Jones, this is a lawsuit brought by people whose children and loved ones were killed. | ||
| And I didn't kill them. | ||
| They well know who murdered their children. | ||
| Okay, but... | ||
| The general public comes up to me and says... | ||
| Mr. Jones, Mr. Jones, the question before you is whether you're capable of stating the name of any other person who was murdered at Sandy Hook. | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I mean, I could probably dredge up some of the names, but I'm done doing it. | ||
| No, you're not done doing it. | ||
| So the answer is no, you can't do it? | ||
| Sure, I can't do it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| All right. | ||
| That is heavy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It makes me think that as bad as it was, I do think that when Alex was on the stand, both Mark and Chris had to have maintained a large amount of restraint because they clearly know where to press the button to make Alex dance. | ||
| You know, like, if they wanted to make Alex really explode... | ||
| They had the buttons. | ||
| I think probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think they chose to make sure that he only exploded as much as he did. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| You don't want to derail things too much. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I believe, and Maddie does point this out and touch on this, that Alex only knows Noah Posner's name because... | ||
| He used a picture of him when they had the shooting in Pakistan that Lenny, his father, gave him a copyright strike for. | ||
| And so that name is somebody that Alex has actually had much more engagement with because of the harassing of Mr. Posner over the picture of his son. | ||
| And so the question of what are any of these people's names, I don't think Alex does know any of them. | ||
| And it's an interesting dodge to be like, they're just going to edit this together in some kind of a way. | ||
| Like, what kind of way are you working? | ||
| worried about people editing you saying someone's name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
About like, that's absurd. | |
| It's clearly evading having to recognize publicly that you don't care enough about this. | ||
| The only people, quote, Editing this or putting it out even a little bit are us, and it sounds way worse when you say that than if you said no. | ||
| We both would have been like, well, yeah, of course he doesn't know any of those names. | ||
| I mean, I would still think that's worth comment. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| If he was honest about it and said no. | ||
| Yeah, fuck this guy, for sure. | ||
| And I don't think, I mean, I'd probably... | ||
| Play a four-minute clip, too, if he had honored the memories of the people and recognized that he did understand the scope of the impact. | ||
| Yeah, that's something that I do want people to... | ||
| Because it's hard to really grasp this, but if Alex had done that... | ||
| You would have cut that clip and we would have both been like, can you believe this? | ||
| Like, it would not have been something like, this doesn't fit within our narrative. | ||
| Hell yeah, put that in there. | ||
| Well, and it would be very interesting to have this demonstration of Alex having some reckoning. | ||
| Of his own actions, because it would imply that there was time spent thinking about it, time spent understanding that wasn't public. | ||
| And I think that that's just as noteworthy as what just happened here. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Totally. | |
| And that is ugly, what happened here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| There's another way to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex said that Robbie Parker was acting in the press conference. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And unfortunately... | ||
| Seems like he still kind of thinks that what he was doing looked like acting. | ||
|
unidentified
|
My daughter Emily would be one of the first ones to be standing and giving her love and support to all those victims because that's the type of person that she is. | |
| Not because of any parenting that my wife and I could have done but because those are the gifts that were given to her by her Heavenly Father. | ||
| Can you pause it? | ||
| Did you watch that at the time? | ||
| I believe I've seen this, yes. | ||
| Was Mr. Parker acting when he referred to his daughter Emily as being somebody who would have been the first to console victims? | ||
| Was he acting when he said that? | ||
| No, I said later. | ||
| I believe the shooting happened. | ||
| Was he acting when he said that? | ||
| Does he believe that now or at the time? | ||
| No, I don't believe he was acting. | ||
| But at the time, you thought he was acting when he described his daughter's personality as being one who would console victims. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it looks, in the classic area of acting, it doesn't come, but I understand sometimes people deal in different ways. | ||
| Classic area? | ||
| I don't know more about these things, but I mean, it... | ||
| He looks like, it sounds like Academy Award winning style acting, and that's what everybody, a lot of folks also thought that, but I understand there's a lot of complex ways people deal with things, and as I learned more over the years, I believe that he did lose his daughter, and I'm sorry for that, and I did not kill his daughter. | ||
| And mainstream media lied so much that people lost faith in the system, so now the public doesn't believe anything, because so many times it's not true, and people come to my show because I do question everything, and I've also made mistakes in the process. | ||
| Mr. Jones, the. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Um. | |
| That looked to you like Academy Award winning acting, didn't it? | ||
| I understand. | ||
| What I'm telling you is that it comes off as when. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection is to form. | |
| Well, right now you just described it as it looks like Academy Award winning acting to you, right? | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Right now, just a second ago, we're sitting here. | ||
| You said that that looks like Academy Award winning acting to you, doesn't it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| And I think you are totally right about the button. | ||
| And I think that one of the buttons is making Alex watch the stuff that he lied about. | ||
| You know, like, it's so easy for him to look at that two seconds of Robbie Parker appearing to laugh or whatever and run with that. | ||
| But what he has a very serious aversion to is having in his face this press conference that is like, this is what you are calling acting. | ||
| You know, like this. | ||
| If you are saying that you watched the whole thing, this is what you're lying about. | ||
| Not just that little snippet. | ||
| You're lying about all of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And I think that that Alex on a human level recognizes is monstrous. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he doesn't like being a monster. | ||
| It is a little bit like picture of Dorian Gray kind of shit right there. | ||
| Like he just cannot bring himself to look at what he actually is. | ||
| So fascinating. | ||
| Because he knows. | ||
| He knows what he is. | ||
| He can't not know. | ||
| But to be confronted with it is somehow different. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's like, what happens to a human brain? | ||
| You know? | ||
| You want to study... | ||
| Is this like a CTE situation? | ||
| He should donate his brain to science after he dies! | ||
| Couldn't hurt. | ||
| It couldn't hurt. | ||
| We could learn something. | ||
| Well, or at least we could throw his brain around like a football. | ||
| That would work. | ||
| That's another option. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Could just be booze. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| There is something... | ||
| A dynamic that's at play here that I think is really also a button for Alex, and that is questioning his integrity and questioning his bravery. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of which he has none on both counts. | ||
| He is willing to admit that he thought that this looked like acting, you know? | ||
| But for some reason, he is... | ||
| Really refusing to say that he called Robbie Parker an actor, which he absolutely did. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| And so, Matty is pushing on that, and then this gets fucking ugly. | ||
| When you claimed Robbie Parker was a crisis actor, what you were claiming was that he was fabricating and lying about the existence of his daughter, correct? | ||
| Correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| How could he be an actor? | ||
| Lying about the death of his daughter and still be telling the truth about her, Mr. Jones. | ||
| We look at all of these events, and some have been staged, some haven't been, and everybody questions things more than ever now. | ||
| And I've explained to you that the internet said they thought he was an actor and it was fake. | ||
| I looked at him and said, yeah, it looks like he's acting. | ||
| And then I went back and forth whether it happened or not. | ||
| And long before I got sued, I said, no, I think it happened. | ||
| So that's on record. | ||
| Mr. Jones, why can't you just answer my question? | ||
| That's a bigger question. | ||
| You like to tell your audience that you're the tip of the spear, right? | ||
| That's what you say? | ||
| When it comes to exposing the globalists. | ||
| You're a precision-guided munition, right? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| That's what you refer to yourself as, right? | ||
| I may have done that before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yet, you aren't even willing to sit here under oath and acknowledge what you said about Robbie being an actor. | ||
| Here's an example. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| And then acknowledging that what you were saying was that Mr. Parker was fabricating the existence of his own daughter. | ||
| Here's an example. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Isn't that what you said? | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| Isn't that what you said? | ||
| I'm saying HBO is running this production. | ||
| I'm saying this is a production. | ||
| This is acting. | ||
| This is for HBO and your career. | ||
| You're the ones that live off the Sandy Hook kids. | ||
| There's a lot of acting going on around here. | ||
| Everybody's going to come out that HBO is directing all this. | ||
| You don't think we don't know all that stuff? | ||
| His dad lied about being in Vietnam in combat. | ||
| You guys are all fake. | ||
| I know you're trying to distract. | ||
| His dad's a false flag. | ||
| Senator Blumenthal. | ||
| All you people. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I know you're trying to distract. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
|
unidentified
|
From your own conduct. | |
| Objection. | ||
| Which is what we're hearing about. | ||
| Is it wrong to know that his dad never went to Vietnam and lied about it? | ||
| Stolen glory? | ||
| Mr. Jones. | ||
| Is that wrong? | ||
| Mr. Jones. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is it wrong that I know about HBO? | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you want to, do you want to, I mean, we can stay here a third day. | ||
| And you can go on your rants like you're on your little show. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm sure your pet judge will do whatever you want. | |
| You're doing great here, Mr. Jones. | ||
| You're doing really great. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm going to move to strike for lack of a question. | |
| Yeah, that's a mess. | ||
| Yeah, I would move to strike that for just general good person reasons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Alex is always waiting to have a little bit of an outburst because he has a flair for the dramatic. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But at the same time, this is coming out of a question that he can't face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And that is, why can't you admit to the things that you said? | |
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know, you're supposed to be this person who is principles and all this, and yet you lack the spine to even just sit here. | |
| If this is a mistake... | ||
| And you just got something wrong. | ||
| You had some bad sources or whatever. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why can't you just admit you said he was an actor and what that entails, what that implies? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| You have to dodge this with like, oh, the internet thought it looked like acting and I said, hey, maybe it looked like acting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't what you said. | ||
| You're softening your own backstory in order to make it more palatable to yourself. | ||
| You can't admit it to yourself. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Coward. | ||
| You act like you're a big dog and you're just a tiny yapping puppy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You coward. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weak. | ||
| It's weak. | ||
| It's very weak. | ||
| It's weak. | ||
| How is it that you... | ||
| I don't understand how you can have that much bravado whenever it is that lacking. | ||
| The tip of the spear is al dente noodle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| It's not sharp. | ||
| No. | ||
| So one of the things that Alex, one of his claims in relation to Robbie Parker was that prior to him giving his press conference, someone had given him a card of what to say. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like the media or government was telling him what to say. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or HBO. | ||
| Well. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex has to deal with the fact that that's based on nothing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was maybe out of thin air. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see the headline there? | ||
| Father of Sandy Hook victim asks, read the card seconds before tear-jerking press conference? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When we just watched the video, you didn't hear Mr. Parker say read the card, did you? | ||
| It's very low audio. | ||
| I couldn't tell what he said. | ||
| You didn't hear him say read the card, did you? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Can you play it again for me? | ||
| No, because you just watched it. | ||
| You didn't hear him say read the card, did you? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| It sounded more like we can start. | ||
| There's a statement attributed to you at the bottom where it says in the second sentence after you offer your condolences to Mr. Parker, it appears that members of the media or government have given him a card and are telling him what to say. | ||
| That's what you said, right? | ||
| In part objection. | ||
| That's what you said, right? | ||
| It appears that members of the media or government have given him a card, correct? | ||
| I mean, I guess I picked up on some of that there, yeah. | ||
| I definitely remember this, but thanks for showing it to me. | ||
| Sure, you're welcome. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Did you see anybody in the video that we watched give Mr. Parker a card? | ||
| No, I must have been conflating it, but something got it wrong. | ||
| Did you see anybody tell him what to say? | ||
| I wasn't looking for that when you played it. | ||
| Can you play it again? | ||
| No, I'm just asking. | ||
| You watched the beginning twice. | ||
| Did you see anybody tell them what to say? | ||
| I was talking to some people. | ||
| Some people were leaning over talking to them, but I don't... | ||
| Well, who were they? | ||
| Were they members of the media or the government? | ||
| I really don't get your point. | ||
| Do you understand the question I'm asking you? | ||
| You put out a statement. | ||
| Five days after the shooting, that said members of the media or the government, giving him a card and were telling him what to say. | ||
| And I just asked you, after having watched that video, whether you saw anybody tell him what to say. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| Can we define the word telling in context? | ||
| I mean, I thought I was watching that video to see what he said. | ||
| And I told you what I thought he said, and it's different than what I was saying there. | ||
| So I think there's that. | ||
| Having watched the video, did you see anybody? | ||
| Tell him what to say. | ||
| I wasn't looking for that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, it's all based on nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it does really seem like Alex does not get the point. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| Like, he just genuinely doesn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost impossible to tell if he doesn't get the point or if he's just so aware of, like, how important it is for him not to get the point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Man, it just feels like he really doesn't get the point. | ||
| Kind of feels that way too, but it might be naive. | ||
| Yeah, it could be. | ||
| It is just a bit like, I don't know. | ||
| I really don't think he can tell the difference between whether or not the things he says are true or not true. | ||
| Yeah, it might not matter to him. | ||
| Here's another thing that that clip made me think of that would be an interesting exercise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Take things that Alex has constructed conspiracies out of in the past, show him the same source material, and then ask him what his conspiracy was about it. | ||
| See if he can recreate it from memory. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| Because I bet he'd come up with a different conspiracy. | ||
| That's the shit! | ||
| That's our game show. | ||
| I bet he would find some other detail and be like, oh, that must be what I was suspicious about. | ||
| Because there's probably no consistency to it. | ||
| Because it doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Let's take it the opposite direction. | ||
| Get rid of Alex entirely. | ||
| But let's grab some of the things that he said and convince three random strangers to guess the conspiracy theory for money at the end of the round. | ||
| That's not a terrible idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Another interesting idea would be take three things that Alex made a conspiracy out of and then a fourth thing and see if he could pick out which one wasn't suspicious to him. | ||
| Ooh, that's a good one. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| But then again, the fourth thing that wasn't suspicious to him he might find suspicious. | ||
| Also, make up a similar conspiracy theory. | ||
| And see if he can tell the difference between them. | ||
| What detail is different between your version and the made-up version. | ||
| Basically what we're doing is trying to find ways to apply the scientific method to Alex. | ||
| It turns out none of this is repeatable. | ||
| Can you do anything repeatable? | ||
| No. | ||
| The answer is no. | ||
| So one thing that I found pretty disgusting was that they play the clip of Robbie Parker for Alex. | ||
| And if you pay careful attention here, you can hear Alex laugh. | ||
| Alright, go ahead and keep playing. | ||
|
unidentified
|
My name's Robbie Parker. | |
| He seems to not really appreciate the gravity of the situation and the context of stuff to the point where he still thinks it's funny the way that Robbie Parker walks up to the mic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's unfathomable to me. | ||
| I mean, he's really moved into the uncanny valley, for me, of human behaviors. | ||
| Everything he does so very similarly represents what a human would do, but then there's something like this where you're like... | ||
| There's something missing, man. | ||
| There's something missing. | ||
| Something's not there. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but you're unlike all the other humans that I know. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if it's something that's missing or something that's trained. | ||
| Something that's been sort of ingrained in him over time. | ||
| So not so much missing, but something added, maybe even. | ||
| But yeah, there is... | ||
| I mean, obviously we wouldn't be 700 plus episodes about somebody who wasn't like, you are... | ||
| You are not like other people. | ||
| You're a unique person if you have commanded 750 episodes of our show. | ||
| I will give you that. | ||
| You are uniquely fucked up. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. | |
| So, Maddie points out to Alex that he lies every day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is not taken well. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| It seems like his job! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, I know. | |
| Have some pride in your job! | ||
| Well... | ||
| There's a difference between consciously lying and making mistakes. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you lie every day. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of you guys have lied when you follow that court. | ||
| In fact, one of the times you lied, Mr. Jones, was when you claimed to an audience of millions that I had planted child pornography In materials that you sent us, correct? | ||
| No, that's not what I said. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That would have been a lie, though, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| What's a lie? | ||
| Mr. Jones, that would have been a lie? | ||
| You're not going to let me talk? | ||
| No, you're going to answer my question. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| It would have been a lie for you to say that, right? | ||
| To say for sure, you might have. | ||
| You're that kind of person, maybe. | ||
| Have you ever met me before today? | ||
| I know you're a slimy ambulance chaser that owns the courts. | ||
| I know your partner bragged to us that you're the mafia and you run the state. | ||
| My partner... | ||
| Am I allowed to talk about... | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Mike, I'll tell you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I need to speak to you. | |
| And I'm not going to talk to you. | ||
| I need to speak to you. | ||
| You did say it. | ||
| No, we're going to keep going. | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| There's a question of privilege that is... | ||
| I'm sorry, what now? | ||
| I would like to speak to you for one moment, please. | ||
| I'm not asking to speak to Mr. Jones. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| We're going to keep going. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I'm going to ask you this one more time before we call the court. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| I'm going to ask you to stop abusing people in this room. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You abused me and said that we filed fraudulent financial documents. | ||
| We didn't do that. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you did, and the court found that you did. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| The court found that black people weren't humans doesn't mean it's not true. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I'm going to ask you, Mr. Jones. | ||
| The Supreme Court said blacks weren't humans, and it was a lie. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I'm going to ask you. | ||
| Black people are humans. | ||
| Stop abusing people in this room. | ||
| I'm not abusing anybody. | ||
| You're going to stop addressing Attorney Blumenthal. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| He's not asking you questions. | ||
| So you're going to stop doing that. | ||
| Can we agree? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, that's a mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, the mafia. | ||
| They're the mafia and they run the state. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're on the courts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That was a barrage in a short period of time. | ||
| I really thought about this because it's so bizarre. | ||
| You said that you're the mafia or whatever. | ||
| The only reason that Norm would respond the way he did is if he's involved in this claim somehow. | ||
| Do you mean if Norm told Alex? | ||
| I feel like that's one of the only conclusions you can come to because he's saying this touches on privilege. | ||
| And so it has to do with something that involves confidential discussions that he had with Alex. | ||
| And so I don't know what to make of it exactly, but it's fucked up. | ||
| This is so fucked up. | ||
| I will tell you this, and I swear to you, I could be wrong. | ||
| But this is one of those moments where I feel like I can penetrate the veil, so to speak. | ||
| Norm was trying to explain information from a conversation that he had with the other lawyers, and Alex could not understand it. | ||
| So Norm said, well, basically, what they're saying is he's like the mafia, and Alex took that to mean, oh, you're saying that he said he's the mafia. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I swear to you, this is in my brain. | ||
| I can feel it happening. | ||
| Let me jump off your scenario and suggest another possible scenario. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Same setup, basically, but Norm is trying to explain away to Alex why they're going to lose this case. | ||
| Without saying, because we're 100% guilty. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Because we're hosed. | |
| Because we're screwed. | ||
| We've done this all wrong. | ||
| You got terrible advice from Barnes. | ||
| You got terrible advice from me. | ||
| I am a great lawyer, but we're up against the mafia, Alex. | ||
| See, that could be an explanation. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whatever it is, it's something weird, and Norm is clearly jumping up to be like, shut this down, shut this down. | ||
| It does have the feel of shit talk that left the wrong area, you know? | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| So we jump now to the Boston bombing, because that happens a little bit after the Sandy Hook shooting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| Alex called that the fake the day of also. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In April of 2013, just four months after the tragedy at Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon bombing happened, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you went on the air that night, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you claimed that the Boston Marathon bombing was staged, right? | ||
| I said it looked like another false flag to Maine. | ||
| Staged event, right? | ||
| Yes, there was a lot of anomalies, a lot of really bizarre stuff that happened. | ||
| And you knew that on the very day it happened, right? | ||
| We had some of our crew had a family member that was there. | ||
| You had what? | ||
| One of the crew members had a family member that was there. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Who was that? | |
| Go look it up. | ||
| We actually made some calls on that and looked at some things and saw some of the anomalies. | ||
| Rob Dew's brother or brother-in-law was there running and then they created a conspiracy out of how he didn't want to talk to them. | ||
| So that's what happened. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He said, I don't want to be on this show about this. | |
| Leave me the fuck alone. | ||
| I mean, we're now making up what exactly he said, but I would imagine this is insulting. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But Alex has forgot that it was Rob Doe. | ||
| And you know what's interesting? | ||
| It made me realize Rob Doe's uncle was the FBI agent who was in Newtown. | ||
| Rob Doe's brother-in-law is at the Boston... | ||
| Rob Doe's family members are all over these stories. | ||
| It does feel like he's got a cartoonishly large family. | ||
| Like he's... | ||
| He's Nurse Joy in the Pokemon series. | ||
| Like, they're all exactly like him, though. | ||
| They're just, oh, my cousin! | ||
| Either that or it is a conspiracy, and Rob Doe's family is controlling everything from behind the scenes. | ||
| It really could be. | ||
| It could be that they have been on a long game to ruin Alex's life this whole time. | ||
| So Alex needs to justify calling the bombing fake, and so he does that by... | ||
| Pointing to a news article about how disrupted terror plots, a lot of them have FBI informants. | ||
| Ah, didn't jive. | ||
| Let's go over first before I get into the bombing itself. | ||
| And again, there's maybe a 5% chance out of 100 that this could be real Muslim terrorists, or I guess there could be some domestic group freaked out that we'll go stage this. | ||
| To be clear... | ||
| I got it. | ||
| It looks pretty handsome. | ||
| I've seen an Easter Bunny, but some say it's real. | ||
|
unidentified
|
To be clear, I've never seen Santa Claus. | |
| Some say it's real. | ||
| Never seen a unicorn. | ||
| Some say it's real. | ||
| Now, I don't think it exists, but it may. | ||
| Same thing with domestic terror grips. | ||
| I mean, I've interviewed the cops and the people that saw the feds plant the bombs in Oklahoma City. | ||
| You saw them stage Fast and Furious. | ||
| Folks, they staged Aurora. | ||
| They staged Sandy Hook. | ||
| The evidence is just overwhelming. | ||
| And that's why I was so desperate and freaked out. | ||
| This is not fun, you know, getting up here telling you this. | ||
| Somebody's got to tell you the truth. | ||
| Somebody's got to stand against these people. | ||
| Somebody's got to do it. | ||
| And that's why your audience comes to you for the truth, right? | ||
| They come from people that are going to challenge the system and that they believe basically aren't on the establishment payroll. | ||
| People that deny there's a new world order. | ||
| And the truth that you gave them on the day of the Boston Marathon bombing was that? | ||
| The bombing itself was staged, correct? | ||
| I mean, it looked... | ||
| That's what you told me. | ||
| There's even a New York Times headline. | ||
| I'm not even asking. | ||
| 96% of terror plots were run by the FBI with Islamic terror. | ||
| I mean, it almost... | ||
| Hey, by the way, can you tonight also get me that article that shows that the New York Times ran that 95%... | ||
| That was 96%. | ||
| That according to the FBI... | ||
| I'm sorry, that according to the New York Times, 95% of terrorist acts... | ||
| Are actually committed by the FBI? | ||
| Can you find that on? | ||
| Terror plots. | ||
| Terror plots. | ||
| Can you find that on? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Write that down. | ||
| So, but going back to the Boston Marathon bombing, the truth that they came to you for on the day of the bombing was your claim that it was staged, correct? | ||
| That's what you said, right? | ||
| As soon as it happened, that's what people do at any big event. | ||
| Is everybody sort of looking at it and the different reports that were coming out, the things that were happening, and we knew that so many of the Islamic terror plots had actually been provocateur and staged by the FBI that this was probably another one of those. | ||
| And that's what you told them, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| The assumption that it's an Islamic terror plot is weird. | ||
| Because I don't think that was even necessarily something that was being discussed as certain. | ||
| But of course, if you listen to the clip that Alex had at the beginning of this, he's saying that domestic terror doesn't even really exist. | ||
| So that wasn't a possibility. | ||
| So that rules that out, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think that it's a fun defense to point to... | ||
| I mean, he does have... | ||
| There are articles that have discussed that dynamic. | ||
| Well, there's the Fort Dix Five and those people. | ||
| I mean, the FBI's done that in the past, yeah. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Because they have too much money, yeah. | ||
| Right, and there have been investigations into the FBI being a little overzealous in trying to encourage... | ||
| Uh, people to carry through, uh, with the attacks to the point where they could be arrested. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, we gotta justify spending all of this time, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but it still doesn't really help Alex's argument as much as he thinks it does. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Um, and, uh, but, you know, it doesn't stop him from just still thinking that, uh, the Sarnev brothers were patsies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I said it, I said it could be real. | ||
| And you, well. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| We just saw it. | ||
| No, what you said was there's a 5% chance that it could be Muslim or homegrown terrorism, right? | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| We just saw it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which means you're telling your audience there's a 95% chance that it's staged by the government, right? | ||
| And then you go on and you tell them, even though I said there's that 5% chance, you know, I've never seen the Easter Bunny. | ||
| And you say, so I've never really seen domestic terrorism, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's what you're saying? | |
| Almost all of it is either totally staged or provocateur. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that's my opinion I'm allowed to say. | ||
| And you said that the two bombers, the Tsarnaev brothers, were definitely patsies, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that's true even though one of them murdered an MIT police officer, correct? | ||
| We're told that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And it's true even though another one of them admitted. | |
| That he was involved in the bombing. | ||
| No, that's what they claimed later. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They were both conveniently killed. | ||
| But in any event... | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| You know that Joe Carson and I is not yet dead. | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| One of them got killed and shot or whatever. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because, I mean, you just testified under oath that both of them were conveniently killed. | ||
| Under oath? | ||
| I'm allowed to make mistakes. | ||
| I've got to remember that, okay? | ||
| But that's... | ||
| All right. | ||
| We can make mistakes, baby. | ||
| Here's what happened here. | ||
| Alex, his narrative at the time, because when Johar was found, he had a wound to his throat. | ||
| And it's like, oh, he's never going to be able to talk again. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| You know, that was the narrative at the time. | ||
| They killed the one and silenced the other. | ||
| And so Alex has just kind of forgotten, basically, that Johar's still alive. | ||
| And so he's just turned it into they're both dead in his mind, because he doesn't give a fuck about any of this stuff. | ||
| It's not real to him. | ||
| He didn't care at the beginning, he doesn't care now. | ||
| And he still thinks they're patsies! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, the night of the bombing was a big night for InfoWars, according to Chris Maddy, and everybody, except for Alex. | ||
| He's confused about it. | ||
| The Boston Marathon bombing was actually a very big night for InfoWars, correct? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I don't remember. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you remember what happened on the night of the Boston Marathon bombing. | ||
| Do you not? | ||
| Do you remember why that was a big night for Infowars? | ||
| Refresh my memory. | ||
| Who's Dan Badandi? | ||
| He lives around here. | ||
| He's a professional wrestler and Talk show host. | ||
| And a former employee of yours. | ||
| He did work for us for about six months, yeah. | ||
| And then he was a contract reporter for you for years thereafter, correct? | ||
| Some. | ||
| And then he kept saying that he worked with us when he wasn't. | ||
| But I tried to be friendly and nice to him. | ||
| He was kind of a fan reporter. | ||
| What a good guy Alex is. | ||
| So, Dan Badandi did invade a press conference on the night of the Boston bombing, but there's a reason that Alex is confused about Matty asking him about that. | ||
| He's probably forgotten about that one, since Badandi did a way more offensive disruption at the press conference on April 18th, which Infowars gleefully broadcast live. | ||
| Here's a clip of Alex's excitement just before that press conference started, being fully aware that Badandi was going to yell promotional shit for Alex, At the expense of a terrorized city. | ||
|
unidentified
|
We will provide you with accurate information as it becomes available. | |
| I look forward to that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And there it is. | ||
| You saw Ms. Napolitano right there. | ||
| We will provide you, sir. | ||
| Don't get your sources anywhere else. | ||
| We will provide you with said information. | ||
|
unidentified
|
The press conference is coming up in 20 minutes. | |
| That's all I can say. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Alex seems very excited about this press conference and we will be... | |
| Giving you live coverage on that. | ||
| He's so excited. | ||
| He's breaking into when Jakari and David Knight are hosting to be like, ooh, get ready. | ||
| Badandi's there. | ||
| He's going to do something. | ||
| Because he had already disrupted the first press conference. | ||
| There's already a precedent for this, and he's going to push it even further. | ||
| But look, man, Alex didn't remember that because he had so much press. | ||
| It's no big deal for him. | ||
| On the night of the Boston Marathon bombing, the reason that it was such a big night for Infowars was because Mr. Badandi asked a question at a nationalized televised event, nationally televised press conference. | ||
| Well, that was that night? | ||
| Okay, I thought it was days later. | ||
| You remember what I'm talking about now? | ||
| I remember. | ||
| Was it that day? | ||
| I mean, I can't answer your questions, Mr. Jones. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Believe me. | ||
| But you know what I'm talking about. | ||
| That was a big deal. | ||
| Man, there's 100 articles about me a day. | ||
| I can't remember any of this stuff. | ||
| I mean, you want me to remember something that happened, you know, at a press conference? | ||
| I mean, I understand for you guys, like, being in the media once is a big deal or whatever, but this is like... | ||
| So, Chris, in terms of lunch, can we break at 1? | ||
| And if so, may I have just one moment to get a lunch order from Mr. Jones? | ||
| We can break before 1, and if you want to... | ||
| Get his lunch order now. | ||
| Time is of the essence, and I want to get somebody to order. | ||
| May I step out with him for just five seconds, please? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They get some steak, I think. | ||
| Time is of the essence! | ||
| So look, I understand that. | ||
| You've got to have the food delivered so you can time it right. | ||
| Can't get it off. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All good. | |
| No, I understand. | ||
| So they come back from getting the food order, and look, it's not a big deal that Dan Badandi interrupted this press conference. | ||
| Alex gets press all the time, man. | ||
| Do you recall that Mr. Badandi asked a question at a nationally televised press conference held by Governor Deval Patrick? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| And that was a big deal for InfoWars, right? | ||
| We have a lot of big deals, but yeah, it was definitely interesting. | ||
| I mean, this was 2013, so this was nine years ago, right? | ||
| And am I correct that for InfoWars to get that kind of national exposure at that time was a big deal? | ||
| No, if you want to know, technically, going on with George Norrie on Coast to Coast AM, he still has a big audience, but back then it was at least 20 million. | ||
| That's real people listening. | ||
| This is your audience back then? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Going on other people's big shows. | ||
| Talk radio, even though the media ignores it. | ||
| You were a guest on somebody else's show, and that was a big deal for you. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I would say him yelling that out at that press conference, I mean, it was interesting. | ||
| It was, you know, we were like, oh, you know, a good job. | ||
| But basically, no. | ||
| I mean, to answer your question, that's not that big a deal. | ||
| So here are a couple of clips from the 18th of Alex... | ||
| Not that big a deal? | ||
| Not a big a deal. | ||
| Not that big a deal. | ||
| Go to Boston right now if you're listening. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you get out of your basement, get away from your computer and go to Boston and start getting in the face of people and starting to ask people questions. | ||
| By the way, InfoWars is getting double the traffic it's ever gotten. | ||
| We broke the record a few days ago. | ||
| Now it's double that. | ||
| Right now, smoke is coming out of it. | ||
| The server's in fire. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Doubled the traffic you've ever gotten. | ||
| Not that big a deal. | ||
| And at this point, he'd been on George Torrey's show before. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Double the traffic of ever because... | ||
| Not that big a deal. | ||
| No. | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
| We're more interested in the truth than we are about position. | ||
| By the way, Dan, you getting Infowars.com out on every network? | ||
| I said double the traffic. | ||
| That was earlier, the report. | ||
| It's like 50 times the traffic. | ||
| We're getting a million visitors every couple minutes right now. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| No, it's 100,000K new people every 60 seconds. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The IT guys, this is probably the number one website in the world just during this window. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wow. | |
| It is 100,000K new joining who's already on it. | ||
| This isn't hits. | ||
| These are visitors every minute. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We're watching the New World Order burn down. | ||
| Yeah, so Matty doesn't play those clips for him, but it was a big deal. | ||
| Yeah, it was a big deal. | ||
| This is delusional for him to be like, you know, you go on coast to coast, that's real people. | ||
| He was so excited about the idea of his name of InfoWars being broadcast on a platform that wasn't in that niche weirdo world. | ||
| Yeah, it is very much like... | ||
| I mean, this is kind of the way that Colonel Travis would want it to go, you know? | ||
| Like, he got drunk and celebrated every tiny victory along the way, and now he's about to be overcome by the entirety of a fucking nation. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| So we know that Infowars, the quickest path to getting hired there is... | ||
| To yell at liberals at a rally or something. | ||
| Yeah, publicly, get it on YouTube. | ||
| 100,000 views, minimum. | ||
| But back in the day, it was contests. | ||
| You gotta win a contest. | ||
| And it turns out that Badandi won a contest. | ||
| And he was hired by you after submitting material as part of a contest that you ran, correct? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| And the idea was, you know, to your audience, submit us, you know, your... | ||
| Some tape, and we're going to choose somebody to hire, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you ended up hiring Dan Badani and another gentleman, Jakari Jackson, as a result of that process, right? | ||
| Dan Badani moved down to Texas from Rhode Island, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he started working for you down there as a full-time employee, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then at some point in early 2000, 13 or thereabouts, he left to come back up to Rhode Island, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he had left his wife at the time and his child up here, right? | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| You don't know that? | ||
| I mean, I didn't know that was the reason. | ||
| No, I let him go is the reason he left. | ||
| Oh, you fired him. | ||
| Well, I just, yeah, as an actual reporter, because he was not going out and doing the stories we told him to do. | ||
| And it was developing into kind of like a Howard Stern deal where he was a joke. | ||
| And I thought it was kind of lovable, but then it would kind of get, you know, not a good... | ||
| I mean, I'm going to be mean to Dan. | ||
| Dan's, I think, you know, overall a nice guy. | ||
| It's just that I wasn't looking for a Howard Stern-type character. | ||
| And that's what it was turning into. | ||
| And so you fired him. | ||
| Yeah, I said he no longer was actually on the payroll working there, yeah. | ||
| But despite... | ||
| The fact that he was somebody you fired. | ||
| And how would you describe the reason you fired him? | ||
| Because he wasn't doing the stories that you told him to do? | ||
| And it was his overall demeanor? | ||
| He was going. | ||
| I told him we were sending one reporter to the Jetta 21 conference in a town outside Austin. | ||
| I forget which one. | ||
| And I said, don't go to it. | ||
| He went to it. | ||
| Is that why you got rid of him? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is there any other reason? | ||
| He just wasn't taking direction. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It had nothing to do with his personality. | ||
| Ha ha, that is funny. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So yeah, he was getting into a whack pack kind of thing, and so Alex had to get rid of him pretty quick. | ||
| You know, he was around, he did the Boston bombing stuff, and then kind of, you know, he wasn't really working there anymore. | ||
| We barely had a connection with him. | ||
| I don't really even know his name. | ||
| Man, if Bongino listens to this. | ||
| This is the first time he's going to find out what Alex really feels about him. | ||
| You mean Badandi? | ||
| Yeah, Badandi. | ||
| I guess they're both Dans and their last names are similar. | ||
| It's not my fault. | ||
| I'm going to blame the two of them for it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If they weren't bad, I wouldn't need to know either name. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But he loves Alex. | ||
| In his... | ||
| He was like, Alex and I are great friends. | ||
| Alex is so nice to me. | ||
| I like working with Alex. | ||
| We haven't heard the Badandi deposition yet. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I thought we played one clip in the trial. | ||
| In the trial they played a clip. | ||
| I thought it was in the Austin trial, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, it was in the Connecticut trial? | ||
| Yeah, well, the deposition is from the Connecticut trial. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| We have not experienced that yet. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Ah. | |
| So we may learn more about what Badandi's feelings are on the subject. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But, yeah, so this is Alex's first framing of the firing of Badandi. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And, of course, it's going to erode from here as information piles up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it's a nice first effort. | ||
| It's an opening gambit. | ||
| Yeah, it could be worse. | ||
| So throughout this, there's a couple points where Norm tries to go off the record really fast because he wants to make a joke or tell a little story. | ||
| And some of them aren't worth mentioning. | ||
| And some, I think, were actually caught and were off the record. | ||
| But this was recorded and it's fucking nuts. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Well, I could tease that. | |
| Go off the record for one second. | ||
| I just have, just so I can get it out. | ||
| The Joker turns our name off. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I can't hear you. | |
| This is off the record. | ||
| So this takes me back a long way. | ||
| It was a stunning turn of events. | ||
| I'm in New York. | ||
| I get a phone call. | ||
| And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Go back on it. | |
| Yeah, so Johar Sarnev took Norm's niece to prom. | ||
| Junior prom. | ||
| There's no... | ||
| There's five guys. | ||
| There's five guys on this planet. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| What the fuck just happened? | ||
| What did I just hear? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Why? | |
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Any... | ||
| It's a small world story is now gone for me. | ||
| I mean, it means nothing. | ||
| It makes some sense, though. | ||
| I mean, they're both in the Northeast. | ||
| The end. | ||
| So Alex believes that the traffic spike that he saw had nothing to do with the bombing. | ||
| Completely unrelated. | ||
| Your monthly users went from 5.5 million in March to 11.6 million. | ||
| In April, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it is true that people tune in to my show when there's big events. | ||
| We've had way more listeners. | ||
| Because they know you're going to say they were staged. | ||
| No. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right? | |
| During the Russia invasion. | ||
| Well, one of the reasons they went on your website in April is because you got Dan Bedondi yelling about Infowars at a press conference, right? | ||
| Objection to the forum. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I don't think that sent most of the traffic, but I'm sure it sent some. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Is getting traffic and being successful bad? | ||
| No, Mr. Jones. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So, I mean, we just heard him say that the traffic was 50 times what it ever was, like, immediately after Dan Badandi interrupted the press conference, so I think he can go fuck himself with that nonsense. | ||
| So, the question becomes, Badandi went to Sandy Hook a couple times, in 2014 and in 2015. | ||
| Alex, you sent him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex... | ||
| He tries to be slippery. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| It's unsuccessful. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You sent Mr. Badandi to Sandy Hook in 2014, correct? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| Objection is to form. | ||
| I mean, I definitely was... | ||
| He was going there, and I think I was... | ||
| Do you not understand my question? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I'm asking you, did you send him, yes or no, in 2014? | ||
| No, what he just started saying to me just now was... | ||
| He was going there, so I'm going to ask you my question again. | ||
| Yes, yes, I sent him there. | ||
| You sent him there. | ||
| He was already going there, and I said, fine, go there. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, no, no. | |
| Well, he was doing his own stuff. | ||
| Mr. Jones, he wasn't going up to Sandy Hook in 2014 for his own purposes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| You sent him to Sandy Hook in 2014, did you not? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I don't remember. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But in Texas, you testified. | ||
| That the last thing he covered for InfoWars was the Boston bombing. | ||
| That's what you testified to. | ||
| I might have gotten that wrong. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you didn't get that wrong. | ||
| You lied about that, didn't you? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| And the reason you lied about it is because you knew that he covered Sandy Hook for you, and you knew that was a problem for you, correct? | ||
| No, I just told you that Madonna did some more work for us. | ||
| Mr. Jones. | ||
| When you testified in March 2019, you didn't know what I know now. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's not good. | |
| You never want to hear that. | ||
| Especially not from a lawyer. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| So Alex asks, what do you know? | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| What do you know now? | ||
| I know, Mr. Jones, that you sent him to Sandy Hook in 2014 and that you sent him there in 2050. | ||
| We had him on the show about it. | ||
| Are you going to deny it? | ||
| No, there's no secret that we had him on about it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Not only that you had him on, but that you sent him up there and he was working for you, correct? | ||
| Why is this so hard for you to answer? | ||
| Because around that time, I started saying that I didn't want him to do so for us, period. | ||
| So I'm trying to remember the times. | ||
| Objection, he's being cut off now. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you sent him to cover Trump rallies in 2016. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Do you deny it? | ||
| I believe we didn't pay him. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| This is what I was getting at about the paying. | ||
| Because as soon as you were sued, you instructed your staff to go and figure out when was the last time you paid Badandi, did you not? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| Because people were asking how long he worked there, and I had to figure that out. | ||
| I mean, I love how you guys want us to give you... | ||
| There's no question pending right now. | ||
| Alex, shut up. | ||
| Alex, stop talking. | ||
| For good. | ||
| Whatever you say, shut up. | ||
| If the only experience that you have with the American legal system is through this show... | ||
| How could you not think that every law situation isn't, like, who ordered the code red? | ||
| Like, this is insane. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| You sent him to Sandy Hook, didn't you? | ||
| You did, didn't you? | ||
| Yes, I sent him to Sandy Hook. | ||
| Like, what are we doing here? | ||
| People like me have to make the hard decisions. | ||
| No, it is such, like, hey, listen, I don't remember. | ||
| I'm in the media all the time. | ||
| These are some things below me. | ||
| Like, what are we doing, man? | ||
| This is insane! | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| So Alex, I think a fair assumption would be that he asked about the payroll with Badandi because he wanted to know what the paper trail was. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Obviously. | |
| We know this. | ||
| Not according to Alex, though. | ||
| How? | ||
| How could it be anything else? | ||
| He just doesn't understand a ton of stuff, too. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| When did you last talk to Mr. Badandi? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm sorry. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Years and years ago I Like how many years? | ||
| I mean, I don't remember. | ||
| It's been years. | ||
| Three years? | ||
| Four years? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't know. | |
| Did you call him after your deposition in Texas? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't believe so, no. | |
| Why? | ||
| You didn't speak to Mr. Badandi on the telephone after you were deposed in Texas in the presence of a lawyer? | ||
| I do not believe so, no. | ||
| You did not call Mr. Badandi to apologize for the way that you mischaracterized your relationship with him when you testified in Texas? | ||
| I do not remember doing that if I did. | ||
| You didn't offer to have him down to Texas for dinner? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No! | |
| I do not remember that. | ||
| And you don't remember who that lawyer was that was with you? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Did you put the lawyer on to talk to Mr. Badandi? | ||
| I have no memory of that. | ||
| Is he right next to you? | ||
| And you and the lawyer told Mr. Badandi that he shouldn't talk about Sandy Hook, right? | ||
| I do not remember that. | ||
| I mean, I've been at a restaurant not drinking or something and I remember something. | ||
| I don't remember with a lawyer or Badandi or anything. | ||
| You don't remember after your deposition, Mr. Badandi stating publicly that he had seen reports of your deposition in the press and that what you'd said about him wasn't true? | ||
| I do not remember that. | ||
| Ooh, Kate. | ||
| I think if you're Alex and you're getting these questions and they're fairly specific, like an invitation to dinner and stuff like that, kind of got to assume that this is coming from Badandi. | ||
| Or, if you want to get wildly paranoid, they have your phone call recorded. | ||
| They were spying on you or something. | ||
| Five Eyes was watching. | ||
| Alex, you remember that time you tried to tamper with our witnesses? | ||
| Do you remember that, buddy? | ||
| Do you remember how... | ||
| In the presence of a lawyer? | ||
| Do you remember how this isn't some weird fantasy where you can go meet him in the middle of a parking garage and witness tamper? | ||
| Your text messages! | ||
| We have everything! | ||
| Well, to be fair, when I made the call, I was wearing a trench coat. | ||
| What if instead of Deep Throat being there, he just fucking emailed it? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Gravely threw it. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, what are we talking about? | ||
| He threw it from his car. | ||
| Thick neck. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, there's some conversation about... | ||
| Financial stuff. | ||
| And so, like, Alex's compensation. | ||
| Like, he makes millions of dollars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is illustrated through documents that involve his draws from the company, his income from longevity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then some stuff about PQPR. | ||
| The company that, you know, it... | ||
| It has supplements, and then it sells Alex's supplements. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The lie company. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex tries to pretend that he doesn't know that he owns... | ||
| Never heard of PQPR in my life. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| In 2013, did you have any other sources of income other than the draw you took from the company and longevity? | ||
| Not that I can remember of any substantive amount. | ||
| In 2013, you formed PQPR, correct? | ||
| Yeah, I'd have to have you talk to the corporate rep about all that stuff. | ||
| I think my dad formed it. | ||
| What is PQPR? | ||
| It is a company that buys and manages and runs supplement products. | ||
| Everything from vitamin D to weight power. | ||
| It's a company. | ||
| Buys them for sale on your website. | ||
| Yes, and other places. | ||
| What's your ownership share in PQPR? | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| I don't have it in front of me. | ||
| I think maybe none. | ||
| Good pitch. | ||
| Good try. | ||
| Throw it out there. | ||
| Maybe it'll work. | ||
| I know my dad has some other companies, but I'm not involved in those. | ||
| Like I said, I can't really answer these questions properly because I'm not a corporate guy. | ||
| I don't understand all the numbers and things. | ||
| Well, wouldn't you know if you held a 90% ownership interest in PLJR, which itself held an 80% ownership in PLJR? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh my God. | |
| You guys have that. | ||
| I mean, I guess we gave it. | ||
| You don't know that? | ||
| I don't know, can you put it on screen for me? | ||
| It's unfathomable that someone would be oblivious of this. | ||
| Like, it's just... | ||
| Strange credulity to imagine. | ||
| No, it's a classic negotiating tactic, all right? | ||
| How much do you think I own? | ||
| I'm going to throw out zero to start. | ||
| Now, what are you going to come back with? | ||
| A hundred? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Alex wasn't lying. | ||
| How about 30%? | ||
| Alex wasn't lying, maybe, in as much as saying, like, he doesn't have ownership. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's just these other shell companies that he owns that own them. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So, um, the Sandy Hook... | ||
| What is it like he's gonna be like, no, my dad owns that, and let me tell you something, he's a real shrewd businessman. | ||
| I can't get a dime out of that guy! | ||
| He is running me wild! | ||
| So, uh, the Sandy Hook investigation was released at a certain point, and, you know, obviously, it had some answers to the... | ||
| Alleged anomalies that Alex was so concerned about. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Some of that information's available. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So the question becomes, when did you really... | ||
| Did you read that? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| If so, when did you read that? | ||
| And Alex is obfuscating here for no reason. | ||
| At the end of 2013, you were aware that the Connecticut State's attorney... | ||
| Issued his report concerning his investigation into the Sandy Hook tragedy. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| 2013. | ||
| Danbury State's Attorney. | ||
| I remember that, yes. | ||
| There was a report that was released in November of 2013. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then there were supplemental reports that were released in December of 2013, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And did you read both reports? | ||
| I remember looking over them. | ||
| You do. | ||
| How did you obtain them? | ||
| This all gets foggy because later they weren't released for a while than they were. | ||
| I remember some big part of the hubbub was a lot of stuff wasn't being released. | ||
| The public wanted it and they weren't releasing it. | ||
| I just asked you a question of how did you obtain them. | ||
| So in response to that question, you've already testified that you reviewed both reports that were issued in 2013. | ||
| And now I'm asking you, how did you obtain them? | ||
| I don't remember how I obtained them. | ||
| I don't remember when I reviewed them. | ||
| Well, you would have reviewed them right then, right? | ||
| I mean, right? | ||
| You would have reviewed them right when they came out. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Okay, but that's something that obviously you would have done given your claim that it was a hoax. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Like I said, I don't remember the specifics. | ||
| I read a lot of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| I read a lot of stuff. | ||
| There was only one shooting in 2012 that claimed the lives of 26 people and that you would call the hoax. | ||
| So, wouldn't you have wanted to see the report of the state's attorney's office when it was issued? | ||
|
unidentified
|
To further investigate your claims? | |
| I mean, I did look at the reports. | ||
| I don't remember when or exactly how. | ||
| Okay, but wouldn't it have been your practice when an official report like that came out on an event that you had claimed was a hoax to read it as soon as you could? | ||
| We definitely try to do stuff like that. | ||
| I'm asking about you personally. | ||
| Don't you personally? | ||
| I'm just being honest. | ||
| I don't remember when I read it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this is so easy for Alex, and he could have gotten out of this, like, yes, I read it. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't trust official investigations. | ||
| Yeah, that's the point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've never believed any of these things. | ||
| Why would I? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's my standing policy that the media is full of liars, the government is full of liars, and the people who are doing this investigation are covering shit up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I have a stated... | ||
| Like, primary position, a default position of distrust. | ||
| And so, yeah, I read it as casual reading. | ||
| It's a fiction novel. | ||
| It's a Dean Kuntz novel for me to read at the beach. | ||
| I don't believe this shit. | ||
| It is weird because it is so quick. | ||
| It's like, listen, the reason we're here right now is because I don't believe anything the government says. | ||
| Are you asking me if I believed anything the government said? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex seems to be trying to evade the question. | ||
| As if the answer, I don't believe the investigation is threatening to him, and it's not. | ||
| No, that's your game. | ||
| It looks worse for him to be sort of... | ||
| Yeah, because then it looks like, oh, so you did know. | ||
| Because you read the investigation, and now you're not telling me about it because you don't want me to know that you did know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the subject of Wolfgang Halbig begins to come up, and Alex is asked about his credentials, and of course we have to conclude that... | ||
| Pretty much all of it just came from Wolfgang saying, I got all these credentials. | ||
| It was a suspiciously long list of credentials for one man to have said that he has. | ||
| And one of them is that he had a long tenure with the state trooper organization. | ||
| And Alex eventually learned that this was not the case. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| But he can't really answer how he learned that. | ||
| No, he can't. | ||
| That's a bad idea. | ||
| I'm sorry, you stated there that... | ||
| Mr. Halbig had a long career as a state police officer, correct? | ||
| I later learned that was not completely true. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| How did you learn that wasn't true? | ||
| I just remember people going, hey, this Halbig guy, a few years later, wasn't the state police that long. | ||
| Who told you that? | ||
| Just, I don't remember everybody, but like Paul Watson. | ||
| Paul Watson, because we weren't all, like, in meetings, like, agreeing on what we thought was going on. | ||
| Watson was a few of the people that called me that I remember. | ||
| I only remember him, but it was some others, saying, hey. | ||
| And then when Jim Fetcher really got into it, I didn't know he was into it until later. | ||
| Jim Fetcher, you know, has some issues as well. | ||
| And so that's what I'm saying, is that I, that's when I began to think, you know, Sandy Hook. | ||
| When? | ||
| It may have actually indeed happened. | ||
| When? | ||
| Mr. Jones, mood to strike. | ||
| My question was, who told you that Mr. Halbig had not had a long career as a state police officer? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I know that Paul Watson... | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| I probably knew from the jump. | ||
| Just come on. | ||
| Of course you did. | ||
| Look at the man. | ||
| Read his credentials. | ||
| You're either that stupid or you're not. | ||
| Choose. | ||
| So Alex can't really argue his way out of saying that Robbie Parker was an actor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's something that he keeps saying, and there's clips of him saying this, that multiple people were actors. | ||
| And... | ||
| Alex really has a difficult time explaining why he said that. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh. | |
| We've got people clearly coming up and laughing and then doing the fake crime. | ||
| We've clearly got people where it's actors playing different parts of different people, building bulldoze. | ||
| So we've clearly got people who are actors coming up and playing the parts of different people, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mm-hmm. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So you've got multiple actors. | ||
| You're telling your audience, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thanks. | |
| You with me? | ||
| I just told you that going back to this point in time, I can't remember everything I was discussing or what was going on. | ||
| Okay, Mr. Jones, you just saw yourself say words into the camera. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The words that you said were, we've got actors playing the parts of different people, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mm-hmm. | |
| That's what you said, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mm-hmm. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Who were the actors? | ||
| That's what folks were talking about with the coroner because it looked like the same person who did multiple roles. | ||
| Okay, so here you're referring to the coroner, an actor playing him, right? | ||
| Or someone in multiple roles, yes, that's what people were saying. | ||
| Okay, but that's what you were saying. | ||
| No, the internet was saying it was a bunch of videos, and I was talking about questions. | ||
| The internet. | ||
| You didn't just say, the internet said this. | ||
| You said, we've clearly got actors playing multiple roles. | ||
| That's what you said, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Okay, so, and now what you're telling us is that you were referring to the coroner and that an actor was playing that role and then another role, right? | ||
| That's what we were talking about. | ||
| Okay, and who else? | ||
| That's all I remember. | ||
| Okay, so now you got Robbie, Mr. Parker, is an actor playing Mr. Parker, right? | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| I mean, yes, we were questioning whether it was acting. | ||
| You weren't questioning it, Mr. Jones. | ||
| You said, we've clearly got it. | ||
| Those were your words, right? | ||
| I've told you that's what I was saying. | ||
| So you got Robbie, and now you got an actor playing the coroner, right? | ||
| That's what they've been saying, yes. | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| I don't know why you're continuing to... | ||
| Do you see anybody else on that screen? | ||
| I don't understand what you're saying. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| I can't understand what you're saying. | ||
| Alright, now we're in crazy territory. | ||
| I emotionally can't understand what you're saying, because it is too threatening to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, you know, one of the things that I find interesting is how Alex has to distance himself from definitive claims in any way. | ||
| And it's right in line with what I've kind of had as a thesis for a long time, and that is that the enemy of any of these people is specificity. | ||
| You don't want to be nailed down to anything. | ||
| So it's like, is that what you said? | ||
| That's what the internet said. | ||
| No, you just said that. | ||
| And one of the problems with specificity is that as you pursue it, these theories start to really sound dumb. | ||
| Because the implications of these people being actors are clear. | ||
| It's clearly not something that's well thought through by the people who promoted these theories. | ||
| And this is explored by Maddie in this next clip about how, like, how would this make sense? | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Now let's imagine that Robbie Parker is an actor. | ||
| If that, then what else must be true? | ||
| Yeah, he's doing us on Project Camelot, like, let's tease this out and see how far these space aliens really go, huh? | ||
| And essentially, you know, you get to a point where Alex has to admit that basically everyone has to be in on it in order for this to make any sense. | ||
| It's important to understand how this conspiracy plays out in your mind, okay? | ||
| And so I'm asking you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm telling you. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I'm not asking about Operation Northwood. | ||
| That's how it is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's how they drive out of the real parents and stage the kid's desk, blow up the airplane, how they do it all. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Well, let's just talk, you just tell me about you, okay? | ||
| What you think, alright? | ||
| And what you were claiming. | ||
| So your claim, your claim, your claim, in response to my question, that there's a fictitious person named Robbie Parker with an actor playing him. | ||
| You'd agree with me that by going in front of the camera to millions and millions of people, there would be somebody who would know, hey, I know that guy. | ||
| That's not Robbie Parker. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right? | |
| Objection. | ||
| Just answer that question. | ||
| Do you think that, is that a reasonable expectation? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| And, if, Somebody were to recognize... | ||
| It's a Potemkin Village model. | ||
| If somebody were to recognize the person playing Robbie Parker isn't in fact Robbie Parker, that would blow the whole hoax, right? | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| You know what a Potemkin Village is? | ||
| Answer my question. | ||
| None of this is a Potemkin Village. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| By Potemkin Village, you mean everybody who was in the immediate community would have been in on it. | ||
| Well, they set that up during World War II. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's what you mean. | ||
| That everybody in the community is ill. | ||
| Not everybody, but in a close-knit area. | ||
| Which would mean, certainly all the parents of children who were killed would have to be part of that conspiracy, right? | ||
| Or maybe it didn't even happen, is what people were saying. | ||
| But I'm asking you, right? | ||
| When you're talking about actors... | ||
| Mr. Jones, it's not speculative. | ||
| You said clearly actors. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You said it's clearly actors. | |
| Did you tell your audience in that clip right now, hey, I'm just speculating here. | ||
| Could be totally off. | ||
| Did you tell them that? | ||
| I did say that in some of the shows. | ||
| Did you say that in the clip I just showed you? | ||
| These are clips out of larger things I gave you. | ||
| Mr. Jones, did you say in the clip I just showed you, I could be speculating here. | ||
| No, you didn't, right? | ||
| You said they're clearly actors. | ||
| And what you're describing for me is a conspiracy in which, where there is a mass shooting... | ||
| That everybody involved in the mass shooting has to be in on the hoax, right? | ||
| For it to work. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| I didn't think at the end Alex would say yes. | ||
| That seemed a little bit surprising. | ||
| Oh, that's pretty satisfying. | ||
| Because there is a recognition that he has that, yeah, this only makes sense if, like... | ||
| It's sprawling as hell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This conspiracy has got to be grand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And that kind of reveals how silly it is. | ||
| I appreciate Medi's moment of just like, no, it's not all speculative, you son of a... | ||
| That was a Pistols at Dawn moment. | ||
| Like, fuck you for saying that. | ||
| Get outside. | ||
| We're throwing hands. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| There are a couple moments like that of like, what? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| No, you shut the fuck up! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's only human. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You can only let so much slide. | ||
| No, there's only so much that one man can take. | ||
| So, Alex, one of the things that's really important for him in terms of framing his behavior around Sandy Hook is he needs people to not be aware of how aware he was of Wolfgang Halbig's actions. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Because if he is aware of them... | ||
| Then platforming Wolfgang, helping him fundraise, it kind of becomes problematic. | ||
| Yeah, it's an issue. | ||
| And so in this setting, Alex tries to really limit his awareness. | ||
| So you knew that Halbig was going up there, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| And you knew that Badandi was going up there. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you had Mr. Halbig on the show just a few days after that. | ||
| Board of Education meeting to discuss what had happened, correct? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Am I right? | ||
| I don't really remember, but... | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Well, were you aware that Mr. Halbig, when he had visited Newtown, had engaged in a confrontation at the Newtown Firehouse? | ||
| I know there were some confrontations. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't remember exactly who it was. | |
| Do you remember that he had a confrontation with police at the United Way charity? | ||
| I remember there was some type of argument or something. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| At the United Way charity. | ||
| I vaguely remember seeing bad camera work when people yelling at each other. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Let's play Exhibit 56. Pardon me, Mr. Jones. | ||
| This has been... | ||
| Produced to us. | ||
| Is it 56D, sir? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| 56 is the May 13, 2014 interview. | ||
| And 56D is a clip of that interview with Mr. Halbig. | ||
| What do you think really happened at Sandy Hook? | ||
| People can see your 16 questions at SandyHookJustice.com and we just salute your will. | ||
| To go up there and have eight police cars blocking the United Way. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So, you recall that prior to having Mr. Howley gone on that day, you became aware that he had had a confrontation, at least in your... | ||
| Telling with eight police cars at the United Way. | ||
| This just reminded me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This just reminded me! | ||
| He's being reminded of a lot of stuff. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| You guys are actually helping me out today. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I didn't remember that! | ||
| Yeah, so before this interview that you did with him, you were aware of him harassing people at the United Way. | ||
| You have an interesting way of trying to frame it as a heroic quest that the police were stopping him from. | ||
| A little bit different. | ||
| Yeah, be that as it may, you knew about it. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Now, there are a number of things that I'm just not including in here. | ||
| And that is that Maddie walks Alex through a bunch of the alleged anomalies that Halbig had about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then there's the explanation of, like... | ||
| You knew this wasn't true. | ||
| This isn't true. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Here are the things you lied about. | ||
| Yeah, and we've heard this in other depositions, so I'm not going to include much of it, except for places where it is a little bit interesting, such as this, the discussion of the Bloomberg email that doesn't exist. | ||
| Oh man, this email. | ||
| It has become a new thing now. | ||
| It's a new thing now. | ||
| It's not so much about the Bloomberg... | ||
| Bloomberg email isn't a Bloomberg email. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| It's now maybe like a gun group that... | ||
| Bloomberg gives money to. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Did something. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That email that you're referencing, you've never been able to produce it, right? | ||
| I haven't been able to find it. | ||
| It was years and years later, like five years after, plus that I got sued. | ||
| But you're... | ||
| Why didn't you show the email to your audience as further proof? | ||
| I do remember all of the shows. | ||
| It was an activist, one of the ones he found, saying, get ready, we need to be ready for the mass shooting. | ||
| You showed the email? | ||
| The next mass shooting. | ||
| You showed the email? | ||
| Yes, it was a report I think they sent out. | ||
| It was not just an email, it was like a story. | ||
| Explain that to me a little bit more. | ||
| I'm going vaguely from memory, but it was one of those anti-gun control groups in a communication saying, get ready for a mass shooting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm trying to understand the difference between email and report. | ||
| You said you think it might have been... | ||
| What did you show your audience is really what I'm asking. | ||
| A communication from one of the anti-gun groups. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Do you remember which group? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, I don't. | |
| You were asked about that email in your Texas depositions, right? | ||
| I believe so, yes. | ||
| Did you acknowledge in your Texas deposition that you were wrong, that he had not, that the email you were referencing actually had not been sent out the day before? | ||
| Can you refresh my memory? | ||
| Can I, you said? | ||
| Yeah, you've got it all right there. | ||
| Refresh my memory of what they showed me. | ||
| Well, I mean, you testified in Texas just a few months ago in December. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| We've been talking about this. | ||
| Let me tell you, when I walk out of here today, I'm not going to remember this either. | ||
| Well, I hope you do, because I'm going to ask you about some of this tomorrow. | ||
| I mean, just... | ||
| It's unfathomable that he has no memory. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I mean, at a certain point, if I'm Chris here, I'm just like, hey, everybody, stop. | ||
| Turn the cameras off. | ||
| All the lawyers leave. | ||
| Alex, it's just you and me. | ||
| I promise you, I will not say a word about what we talk about. | ||
| Once they're gone, okay. | ||
| Stop gaslighting me. | ||
| You and I both know, right? | ||
| You and I both know. | ||
| I'll pretend that I have no idea if you just allow me to remember reality. | ||
| It's even better if Alex says, I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, it is a little bit maddening. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Especially this, when it's combined with the moving of the goalposts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, it's not a Bloomberg email from the day before. | ||
| Now it's a group that put out a report or something at some point. | ||
| You know, it's so vague as to be meaningless now. | ||
| Whereas it was like a smoking gun for him before. | ||
| No, it is like, you have assaulted my reality for so long. | ||
| I need this from you right now. | ||
| Just tell me. | ||
| Fucking no. | ||
| Just tell me you know and that I live in real reality and that you're a fucking liar! | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| So, we talked about this a little bit earlier, but the overwhelming sense that I get from Alex as I listen to more of these depositions and think about it is he really seems to have an emotional shutoff where he refuses to accept things about his past behavior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, like, When you're asking about, like, did you review that show? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| And probably part of the reason is because you don't want to have a fresh memory of it. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And it just stinks of cowardice. | ||
| Yeah, but what I'm telling you is that I mentally, and I don't think anybody could, like, sit there and dwell on this all the time and be even half sane. | ||
| Okay, do I wish I never would have talked about Sandy Hook? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Do I make mistakes? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But man, like, my brain recoils from it because it's all I hear constantly. | ||
| Thousands of articles a month, all the demonization, all the attacks, great. | ||
| I don't feel like a victim. | ||
| I'm just telling you that I have a coping strategy of I do not dwell on this. | ||
| I mean, it's just, you know, this is, okay? | ||
| So I'm just being completely honest with you that That I just basically put this out of my mind. | ||
| And I'm trying my best to answer these questions for you. | ||
| Because I just want you guys to have your anti-free speech show trial and get it over with, get your stuff, do your deal, whatever. | ||
| Just move on to the next thing. | ||
| I think that's enough. | ||
| That's not really a response to the question I asked you. | ||
| But I do just want to say, I want to ask you this. | ||
| Because there have been several times throughout this deposition where you've suggested that I, or I guess lawyers, are on some sort of anti-First Amendment campaign. | ||
| And, I mean, you look at me with that face. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| The Democrats aren't going after free speech everywhere? | ||
| Cancel culture, all of it? | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you realize that the people who have brought this suit against you... | ||
| Our families who lost children and relatives at Sandy Hook. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| And I understand it's being used by the Democratic Party and the media that want to not just get the Second Amendment but the First Amendment as well. | ||
| The New York Times had a headline like last week saying basically get rid of the First Amendment. | ||
| And don't ask questions. | ||
| I mean, it's ridiculous to deny that there's a major anti-free speech movement in America and that I'm not being used and my mistakes aren't being used to demonize everybody. | ||
| I've been deplatformed over Sandy Hook. | ||
| Then it was used to go after everybody else's free speech. | ||
| They admit Alex Jones was a test case. | ||
| And then now this is being used to go after the First Amendment as well. | ||
| And so they may think you can compartmentalize this with New York Times versus Sullivan and that you guys will keep. | ||
| That's stuff for corporate press, but it's not going to work like that. | ||
| And, you know, the way all this is going is extremely dangerous for everybody. | ||
| Me, I mean, at the end of the day, I understand that I've just been turned into like a caricature and that that's what that is. | ||
| I'm just telling you that I'm really trying to answer your questions truthfully. | ||
| I'm going to object to that as non-responsive, but I've heard what you said, and so maybe we don't need to have... | ||
| Speeches like that anymore that aren't responsive to questions that I ask, okay? | ||
| So there's obviously a woe is me-ness to this, which is pretty tired, I would say. | ||
| I think it's also really disrespectful and shameful, the way that he's processing all of this. | ||
| But I do kind of think that, based on the way he's describing this, it is a coping mechanism for him. | ||
| He doesn't want to deal with the fact that he took an out-of-context, deceptively edited clip. | ||
| From when Robbie Parker was coming onto stage and he terrorized him. | ||
| He doesn't want to recognize that the rest of that speech was a heartfelt thing, a moment of grace, honestly. | ||
| And I wouldn't want to recognize that if I were him either. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But the alternative here is just pathetic. | ||
| At a certain point, you have to. | ||
| And you can see it just so clearly. | ||
| I believe it's a gang star song. | ||
| We all must face our moment of truth. | ||
| Ah, that does sound true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't think we all must, but a lot of people will. | ||
| Hey, look, you're the one who's arguing with Guru. | ||
| Some people. | ||
| Right? | ||
| No, in the way that he's, when Matty is really trying to like, okay, fine, you, one, I'm proud of him, Matty, for not... | ||
| Sinking his teeth in whenever Alex was like, I'm tired, I just want this all to go away. | ||
| Like, oh, oh, do you? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, oh, oh, a decade-long, oh, you just wanted to fucking end, don't you? | |
| You know, like, proud of him for that. | ||
| You know, but that moment where he's getting back, you understand what we're doing here. | ||
| I understand you think the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, all of that stuff, but you know that it's about the families. | ||
| Alex cannot let that sit for a second. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| Instantly. | ||
| But the New York Times, and they're using the families, and they're all... | ||
| It has to be instant, because if he is allowed to sit with that thought for a second, he's fucked. | ||
| He's fucked! | ||
| The recognition of that pierces his arguments too strongly. | ||
| Yeah, so he can't, not even a breath in between. | ||
| And also, listening to this and this next clip also, I mean, it is definitely a sense that I get that lawyers should, I mean, maybe it's never really needed to happen before, but now they need an objection that is just, shut up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Objection, stop this. | ||
| Yeah, cut it out, asshole. | ||
| Knock it off! | ||
| thing is Alex just has a tendency to launch it to meaningless speeches. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You got parents laughing, watch this method acting. | |
| I mean, it's just ridiculous. | ||
| You can pause it there. | ||
| Who are you, uh, mocking there? | ||
| I'm a sub. | ||
| You have to understand that with these events, all American gun owners are being blamed for tragic events. | ||
| Blaming if somebody runs over something with a car, all car owners. | ||
| And then so people get tired of being accused of things they haven't been involved in. | ||
| So then they become subconscious, and then they start rejecting everything they're being told by the establishment media. | ||
| And the brain figures out ways to say it's not true, this is too horrible to imagine children like that being executed. | ||
| And I've talked about this before. | ||
| So real quick, we'll get back to this meandering speech, but the way that Alex is describing this, this is not questioning things. | ||
| This is somebody who believes that a group that he identifies as being a part of is being blamed for things that they're not, and then deciding that in order to not have to... | ||
| face that scrutiny that he imagines and not have to defend this group, I will make things up about events that I find threatening to them. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It seems like if Alex can articulate this, then he should be able to take the next step and recognize that what he has done throughout his career that fits this mold... | ||
| Is just bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not questioning things. | ||
| It's not standing up to the establishment in any way. | ||
| No. | ||
| What it is, I think, and it's something that is really underexamined, but I feel like what happened to the conservative right whenever everybody was like, hey, maybe racism and homophobia and all that stuff is bad, right? | ||
| Don't say that in public, right? | ||
| They created a different language out of our language. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, they created this whole, okay, well, we know... | ||
| I mean, that's like what that Atwater comment, you know? | ||
| We know what we mean when we say this, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the problem is that... | ||
| When we say states' rights, we're really saying the N-word. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| When I say questioning things, I don't mean question things. | ||
| That's not my language, right? | ||
| So we find ourselves in a situation where these two languages are at complete odds with each other. | ||
| Because Alex's language is built entirely around lying about what the words mean. | ||
| Yeah, there may be, we might need a linguist. | ||
| I mean, kind of, honestly. | ||
| Quite frankly, to pierce through this. | ||
| You would need to understand all of the ways that they lie, or that they tell each other the truth and lie to us. | ||
| I think that might be why our understanding of Alex is slightly different than a lot of other folks. | ||
| The immersion in the language of his bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, here, get ready for a bunch of that language. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And the media ran with it, but I'm happy they did because it's really true that I didn't consciously get up there and try to misrepresent or lie to people. | ||
| I've gotten somewhat better over the years because most of what I say is accurate and true. | ||
| And I've gotten better as the shows have gotten so much more successful. | ||
| I've gotten older. | ||
| It's taught me how to do things better. | ||
| But I have not been diagnosed with a psychosis, and I don't have a psychosis. | ||
| I said it's almost like a form of that. | ||
| And it's happening everywhere where people don't believe anything anymore from the corporate media or the government or anything because they've been lied to so much. | ||
| And it's really the system's fault that people have lost total confidence or confidence in it. | ||
| And it's a real crisis. | ||
| And I learned right around this time when I started pulling away from things like Sandy Hook and other events where they thought everything was a crisis actor and I was Bo Bridges and that I'm Bill Hicks. | ||
| And crazy people come into my office and, you know, saying I was covering up a shooting in Texas and that I was there and I was this person. | ||
| And I just started thinking, you know, just because the media lies some of the time and gets things wrong and the government does, doesn't mean every time it is. | ||
| And I saw the craziness from both ends. | ||
| The establishment wanted to censor, wanted to stop anybody questioning. | ||
| You got everybody over here believing nothing they say, finding reasons not to believe it. | ||
| It's like staring into the abyss, you become the abyss. | ||
| I've been honest about, you know, what went on here, and then as soon as I began to say, I don't want those people on the show, you got the emails and stuff, and I don't want people, I don't want any more of that, then those people said that I was on the government payroll, that I was covering up Sandy Hook, and then they had a debate. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I have to stop you. | ||
| I'm just telling you the truth here. | ||
| No, you didn't even answer my question. | ||
| I asked the questions. | ||
| The question I asked you was... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Did the answer not go on long enough? | |
| I can't get everybody talking at the same time. | ||
| We're going to play that clip again, and I'm going to ask you the exact same question, and I just want you to answer my question. | ||
| So, one of Alex's obvious strategies is just keep talking and hope people forget where this started. | ||
| The question was, who were you mocking in that clip? | ||
| And everything he was saying had nothing to do with that. | ||
| It was just talking. | ||
| And it's things that he's, you know, it's these rote speeches that he's given repeatedly. | ||
| It's these meaningless platitudes. | ||
| And, you know, it's really, really effective. | ||
| Because I think that generally speaking, when you're not dealing with a lawyer who doesn't care about your bullshit. | ||
| You're going to be able to keep talking until someone latches on to one of the things that you're saying, and boom, you're off the topic that you don't want to talk about. | ||
| Alex doesn't want to recognize that he was mocking this person. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| It's not going to work in this room, but maybe everywhere else. | ||
| I believe that every lawyer in America should listen to this. | ||
| Not to learn anything, but because they should all feel jealous of Chris. | ||
| Not because he got a billion dollar judgment. | ||
| Which is fucking great, I'm sure. | ||
| A lot of lawyers, I bet, would wish they had had a billion dollar judgment under their belts. | ||
| The only thing better is being Norm and losing a billion dollars. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, what they should all be jealous of is the moment that Chris got to bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Alex fucking Jones. | ||
| It is nice to bop, bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Bop, bop, bop, ah! | ||
| So the subject of Adan Salazar's article, the FBI says no one was killed in Sandy Hook, comes up. | ||
| And Alex apparently learned that that article was bullshit in a very interesting way. | ||
| I don't believe the story at all. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But after Alex tells this nonsensical story, he throws a Don under a bus. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| Right now I'm just asking you about any conversation you recall having with Mr. Salazar about this particular article. | ||
| Sometime a few years ago, before lawyers brought it up to me, it was pointed out to me, somebody at a coffee shop came over and said, "You're a fucking piece of shit. | ||
| Their laptop, look at this. | ||
| The state police get the statistics. | ||
| The FBI doesn't do it. | ||
| Are you going to?" And then I remember going and saying something to Adon about it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't remember, but somebody got in my face about it. | |
| And then you obviously, from there, had a conversation with Adan about it. | ||
| And you think that was before this lawsuit was filed? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Was it? | ||
| Yeah, I think it was like right around before the time. | ||
| Because it all got brought up when Trump won. | ||
| Right before Trump won was when my Sandy Hook stuff got brought up by the media nationally. | ||
| And so it was all back then. | ||
| And then somebody yelled at me, It was a man. | ||
| And then I remember saying something to Adan, saying, see, I told you this is bullshit, because we've argued about it. | ||
| And I respected Adan like Adan. | ||
| He's done a lot of big reporting and other stuff, and it's just he kind of has this thing about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And I just remember telling him, no more, see? | ||
| See, no more. | ||
| See, no more. | ||
| This person yelled at me at a coffee shop, no more Adan. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But Adan wouldn't listen. | ||
| He just loved talking about Sandy Hook so much. | ||
| I got a pitch for the next trials, okay? | ||
| Alex has to testify in a soundproof glass booth. | ||
| So we can see him there. | ||
| He's got two buttons. | ||
| Red button, green button. | ||
| Yes, no. | ||
| And if we need a more complicated answer, there is a flap that will open when necessary. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| I also think that, as I think more and more about this, Alex has this pretend thing where it's like, if only I could have gotten a trial. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Imagine if there was a court case and they got to call people like Adon, all these people to the stand. | ||
| Alex would be... | ||
| He would lose harder than a default. | ||
| It would be worse for him. | ||
| This illusion of like, if only I'd gotten a trial. | ||
| You're lucky you didn't get a trial. | ||
| I mean, what they should do... | ||
| Airing all that dirty laundry in a court setting? | ||
| Like, please. | ||
| Terrible idea. | ||
| Terrible idea. | ||
| If it was a criminal trial, the crimes would be... | ||
| Just, oh, man. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So the Wolfgang and Alex's conspiracies continue to be discussed, and Alex just can't answer any of the questions about this bullshit that they've been saying. | ||
| Wolfgang W. Halberg is our guest, former state police officer in the Morphin Customs Department, and then over the last decade has created one of the biggest, most successful school safety training groups, and he just has gone and investigated. | ||
| It's a three-dollar bill, and they've been... | ||
| But man, you dropped a bombshell of your scores of points, your 16 questions. | ||
| If you've got a school of 100 kids, and then nobody can find them, and you've got parents laughing, then they walk over to the camera and go... | ||
| Not just one, but a bunch of parents doing this. | ||
| And then photos of kids that are still alive, they said died. | ||
| I mean, they think we're so dumb that it's really hidden in plain view. | ||
| So I want to ask you specifically about this claim you made that if you had a school of 100, you have a school of 100 kids and nobody can find the kids. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I don't remember the context of this years ago. | ||
| When you say you have not just one, but a bunch of parents who are fake crying. | ||
| Who are you talking about? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| It must have been some other videos, or I wouldn't have said that. | ||
| When you say you have a photo of a bunch of kids who are still alive that they say died, what photo are you talking about? | ||
| I don't remember which one that is. | ||
| Aren't you talking about the Super Bowl photo that Mr. Halbig sent you? | ||
| That might be it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Alex has already been deposed in Texas and had a long conversation about that photo and how dumb it is. | ||
| So, I mean, the yes here is very strange. | ||
| If he remembered that, he should be like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| He shouldn't say, like, it might be it. | ||
| But all this is just like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what I was talking about. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I must have based it on something, because I wouldn't just make it up. | ||
| I mean, that's a problem. | ||
| That's a problem of thought. | ||
| That's not a good thought process. | ||
| Well, again, you don't want to recognize that you just make shit up. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| When you're faced with evidence of making shit up, I must have based it on something. | ||
| Because the... | ||
| The MacGuffin, the illusion of that there is something there is powerful. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| This might be the ultimate test case for that phenomenon of, you know, if you're confronted by somebody who thinks something differently than you, your natural defensiveness makes you defend a position that maybe if you weren't locked in that headspace, you could slowly kind of tease your way out. | ||
| You know, that kind of thing. | ||
| The more forceful you're disagreed with, the more likely you are to disagree back with force. | ||
| Of all the people who have studied that, what would it take for Alex? | ||
| What would it take? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| I mean, like, is it possible? | ||
| No. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, there's no possible way. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think from another person. | ||
| I think it would just take external circumstances. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You'd need to find a position where it would be more profitable for him to recognize things. | ||
| That's probably it. | ||
| Man, that is... | ||
| But that's so fucked up. | ||
| That's like treating him like a fucking shark or a force of nature or something. | ||
| I wouldn't say he's a force of nature. | ||
| Not force of nature, but something that is outside of any kind of control whatsoever. | ||
| A shitty shark, though. | ||
| Yeah, a shitty. | ||
| An asshole shark. | ||
| Shitty shark. | ||
| The shark who doesn't even eat half of it. | ||
| She's like, I like to throw it away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they have data that shows that there was a giant spike in traffic on the day that a Don's article and Wolfgang was on. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And that corresponded with a big spike in revenue. | ||
| And Alex says something here that maybe he shouldn't have because it reveals potential failure to turn over data. | ||
| Oh man, those crimes are tough to remember which ones are which. | ||
| This one's bad, and it's so bad that Norm tells him to shut up. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| You saw with me, and you'd agree with me. | ||
| That during a three-day period you published a false report that the FBI had said nobody died at Sandy Hook. | ||
| You had a spike in traffic to your website, correct? | ||
| Yes, and I can show you times when we covered Sandy Hook and we had less viewers. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| You've got this here of them sending this back and forth. | ||
| I know they're friends, and I guess it might have been a Don story. | ||
| He's like, "Oh, look, my story did well." But that's not me directing that, and I wasn't aware of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is your business manager, Tim Fruget. | ||
| Sending this data about the performance of the website. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I forgot to ask about this. | ||
| But that's them, I guess, wanting to know how the site's doing. | ||
| And the site's doing pretty well. | ||
| What I can show you is, because they've done an analysis. | ||
| Who's done an analysis? | ||
| These guys. | ||
| What's the analysis? | ||
| It's upwards of 80% of the time when we cover Sandy Hook, we actually have less money in the shopping cart and traffic does not go up. | ||
| So you know that. | ||
| So that's something you can produce to us, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| Well, why don't you, tonight, when you take a break... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Because we're not producing anything tonight. | |
| Well, wait a second. | ||
| Norm, if you have some sort of analysis documented showing that 80% of... | ||
| Hang on, let me finish. | ||
| Hang on, let me finish. | ||
| Showing that 80% of the time that Mr. Jones covered Sandy Hook, he either had... | ||
| I don't know what he said. | ||
| Flat revenue? | ||
| If there's some sort of document that shows a corresponding relationship between when you cover Sandy Hook and his traffic, that should have been produced. | ||
| Stored traffic and profit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Well, I'll tell you what. | |
| I have a little bit of that, too, Mr. Jones. | ||
| You cherry-picked. | ||
| So what I'm saying is, if I remember correctly, that's what I'm saying is. | ||
|
unidentified
|
2020... | |
| Almost 80% of the time, that's what I'm talking about, is it's in the lower end of the shopping cart. | ||
| So on average... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mr. Jones, what data did you use? | |
| Did you do this analysis yourself? | ||
| That's a yes or no. | ||
| The lawyers and analytics people trying to figure out... | ||
| Did you do the analysis that you're discussing right now yourself? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| They came in and said, this is really... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mr. Jones, I'm advising you not to waive any attorney-client privilege. | |
| Okay, you'll see. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Norm had to object to just Alex talking. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of problems with the idea that this exists, first of all. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| There's tons of data that wasn't turned over that was required to be turned over. | ||
| There is an internal... | ||
| A definition within InfoWars of the times that Alex talked about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Which would be interesting to compare to what they turned over. | ||
| Seems like they didn't turn over everything. | ||
| Yeah, so this is deeply, deeply problematic for Alex if he's not just making shit up, which he probably is just making shit up. | ||
| Yeah, I was gonna say, that is nice for, that is a good, like, backdoor for all of Alex's lawyers committing crimes, is they could just be like, eh, he's lying about it, and what are you gonna say? | ||
| Yeah, it's tough to... | ||
| Yeah, you're probably right. | ||
| He is probably lying about it. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, they end up looking at an article. | ||
| I believe it's the FBI article. | ||
| And Alex sees a banner on it. | ||
| No. | ||
| For DNA Force. | ||
| Alex does not have ideas, does he? | ||
| He does. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, no. | |
| Why would you have ideas this late in the game? | ||
| Alex gets it in his head that he can argue. | ||
| That the reason there was a giant spike in sales and traffic is because DNA Force was back on sale. | ||
| Are you telling me that Alex is going to try and win this case in this deposition right here, right now? | ||
| You bet he is. | ||
| We just pulled back up Exhibit 17, and what you can see is exactly what you described earlier, that when you published this article, you were running a 33% off sale on DNA Force Plus, which... | ||
| You're saying it was recently back in stock, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you're advertising it on an article that was getting a spike in traffic that week to your website, correct? | ||
| It was advertised on every page. | ||
| Well, you don't know that. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| You can't say, sitting here today under oath, that that advertisement was on every page of your website on that particular day. | ||
| Is that your testimony? | ||
| Yeah, it loads into a computer, and it places them on there, whatever the new ad is. | ||
| So we have a possible explanation that Alex has found for why there was a giant spike in sales, because DNA force was back on. | ||
| Now, this does not account for the gigantic spike in traffic. | ||
| That wouldn't necessarily correlate to this. | ||
| Well, let's calm it down there. | ||
| So there is some confusion, but... | ||
| You know, there's also an argument to be made that you had a sale that you were advertising on an article that was going viral that was a lie about Sandy Hook. | ||
| So maybe that doesn't actually help. | ||
| But Alex is so excited. | ||
| He's so thrilled that he's found a way to argue this. | ||
| That was a static banner, and whatever we put there is everywhere. | ||
| That's the number one banner. | ||
| And as soon as DNA Force comes back in, we always put it up because it's the best seller. | ||
| And if there are more people visiting your website and seeing that ad, you're selling more of it, right? | ||
| Yes, but we... | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But we didn't... | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| We didn't premeditatedly have a Don write that article because DNA Force Plus was back. | ||
| I'm sitting there going, why is that such traffic? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Could be anything. | ||
| Viral articles don't by themselves sell style. | ||
| I go, I bet a product came back in and I'm like, boom, DNA Force Plus is right there and I'm going to be able to show you. | ||
| You go through and see the other times where there's those big spikes and it's going to be because a product that's been sold out, there's five or six that are popular. | ||
| It has come back in. | ||
| I know what sells stuff, and it's the product they're buying. | ||
| Well, and it's also your pitch, right? | ||
| I mean, you're your own best pitch. | ||
| No, we have it on AutoShip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| AutoShip, and so they want it, and so you have the first day, the AutoShip hits, and that's why it's so big, and then the people that want it get it, and that's how it works. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Do you know how long this ad had been running? | ||
| By September 24th, 2014. | ||
| Not a good question. | ||
| I mean, I'm guessing because we see spikes on this. | ||
| I don't want you to guess. | ||
| In general. | ||
| Mr. Jones. | ||
| We gotta try. | ||
| I'm just being completely honest with you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
We just gotta try and get back. | |
| He got so excited to be like, I'm being completely honest with you because he found a way that he thinks is explanatory. | ||
| A way to get around this. | ||
| Very clear piece of evidence. | ||
| They've all had it. | ||
| They've all had one moment at least in every deposition that we've seen. | ||
| Daria, I remember, had a big one. | ||
| I can't remember exactly about what, but I remember all of a sudden, like, because she's been... | ||
| There's the ray of sunshine that comes through the window. | ||
| She'd been getting her ass kicked for hours, and then all of a sudden she gripped on something and she was like, I've got this! | ||
| You know, and it's like, how can you possibly be there? | ||
| Why are you, like, up for... | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| Why are you game to see what you can work on? | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Just shut it down, man. | ||
| Like, oh, this one I can win. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| We're not in a win or lose situation. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| That's not how this works. | ||
| It's going to be a disaster for you. | ||
| You're an idiot! | ||
| So Alex, famously, in one of the clips of him saying that Sandy Hook was totally fake with actors, he claims that he did deep research. | ||
| And so Chris Maddy now tries to figure out what was that research? | ||
| What research? | ||
| But it took me about a year with Sandy Hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing was fake. | ||
| I mean, even I couldn't believe it. | ||
| I knew they jumped on it, used the crisis, typed it up, but then I did deep research, and my gosh, it just pretty much didn't happen. | ||
| That's what you said at the end of 2014, right? | ||
| Yep, just a repeat of the other stuff all mixed together. | ||
| I do want to ask you about the deep research that you did. | ||
| I've admitted that some of that was wrong. | ||
| No, no, but the deep research that you did. | ||
| Please don't. | ||
| Deep research. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| Looking at the videos, going over the information. | ||
| Later I learned that some of those anomalies weren't accurate. | ||
| I've said that here. | ||
| Looking at what videos? | ||
| All we've done here today is going over these things, and I've admitted where I was wrong. | ||
| And I've told you that, so you can have to repeat it over and over again if you want. | ||
| No, no, but you haven't shared with me the deep research that you personally... | ||
| Going over? | ||
| You've got to let me finish, okay? | ||
| We're almost at a break, so let's just get through this part here, okay? | ||
| You said that you did deep research, all right? | ||
| Now, I want to understand, as comprehensively as you can tell me... | ||
| What that deep research included? | ||
| Because that's what you told your audience you had done. | ||
| And that that research had led you to the conclusion that the whole thing was fake. | ||
|
unidentified
|
So, what research did you do? | |
| Watching videos, reading the transcripts, interviewing people and their views on it, and you have to understand at the time it had just come out, this is on record, if you'd like this, I'll get it for you, that the government shipped tens of thousands of guns purposely into Mexico. | ||
| To get a high death count to be able to ban guns here. | ||
| Operation Fast and Furious. | ||
| That's why Eric Holder had to resign. | ||
| And just that whole background of other things coming out, then it just looked to me like it probably was staged. | ||
| And I think I was wrong about that. | ||
| I think I convinced myself of that pretty soon after this. | ||
| That has nothing to do with this. | ||
| There's no research. | ||
| I guess maybe he could pretend like I looked deeply into Fast and Furious, but that doesn't have to do with Sandy Hook unless you make it about it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| That's the connection that you're making. | ||
| I watched videos. | ||
| What videos? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I read transcripts. | ||
| What transcripts? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| That's a situation where you really have to dig even deeper when you just use the word like, okay. | ||
| Before we get into deep research. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| What is the word research mean to you? | ||
| Like a regular research. | ||
| Before we get into deep, what's a regular research? | ||
| Hear me out on this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ask me the question like I'm Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What... | ||
| Deep research did you do? | ||
| I dug deep within my mind. | ||
| I took ayahuasca and I meditated and I spoke to the plant. | ||
| That makes more sense than anything else you've said so far. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why not just do that? | ||
| Yeah, no, go far. | ||
| I consulted my spirit guru. | ||
| Yeah, this is a problem because they're in this situation where they feel like they're on a battlefield, you know, where they can go battle. | ||
| And maybe they can win or lose. | ||
| But reality is, you can either go like, non-stop wall of just like, I'm not answering, I'm not answering, I'm not answering. | ||
| Or, completely fictional... | ||
| Commitment to not knowing anything. | ||
| And asking Alex the question, like, what deep research did you do? | ||
| You already know the answer ahead of time. | ||
| It's going to be empty words, and it means I didn't do anything. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So for Alex, they think that there's a way out. | ||
| There's some sort of way out, and there's no way out. | ||
| The only way to play this game is not playing it for you. | ||
| Well, you should have done stuff differently a decade ago and every year since. | ||
| But also, if you're in this position, you should just cooperate and answer questions with yes or no and get through it. | ||
| Because this is not helping. | ||
| I mean, and the thing is, they... | ||
| They keep thinking, like, oh, no, the problem is they don't have enough context. | ||
|
unidentified
|
They don't understand. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, no, if you said yes, no to every question, there are questions you would not have had to answer. | ||
| True. | ||
| Tons. | ||
| Many. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd look less bad because you're making yourself look bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the reason you're here is because the things you did that make you look bad. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Like, you think you're going to pill these lawyers? | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So we get back to Hal Big, and basically this is going chronologically throughout the events that had happened before Sandy Hook, Alex's coverage of it as it goes through. | ||
| And so at this point, Hal Big is on, and he has revealed to Alex that his wife does not believe him. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That was a fun one. | ||
| And so Alex is asked about this. | ||
| You did know, having watched it, that Wolfgang's own wife found him not credible on these claims, correct? | ||
| I believe it reminds me of it watching that clip. | ||
| Did that cause you to question whether Mr. Halbig's own wife... | ||
| I think it started to, yeah. | ||
| Okay, it started to. | ||
| But having heard that Mr. Halbig's own wife found him not credible, you still... | ||
| Promoted Mr. Halbig's website to your audience, right? | ||
| I mean, I think I learned about that right then on the show. | ||
| I was just being nice to him. | ||
| And were you just being nice to him when you sent Mr. Badandi up to Connecticut just two months later to report on his activities? | ||
| I mean, people wanted to know, and I wanted to see what was going on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So in June of 2015, now just two months later, you send Mr. Badandi up to Connecticut, correct? | ||
| I don't remember if I said Madonna or not. | ||
| We had a whole debate about this earlier. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Well, now we're talking about June of 2015. | ||
| The last time we were debating this, we were talking about 2014. | ||
| I've explained what happened, that I didn't want to be mean to Madonna. | ||
| I think it was a bad person. | ||
| Didn't think it was a bad person. | ||
| But I was saying we need to, you know, we need to... | ||
| By then, certainly, I was telling Rob Du and people that I did not want to sit there and have Madonna out there reporting for us. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Okay, so by June of 2015... | ||
| You had said to Rob Dew and others, I do not want Badandi reporting for us. | ||
| That's your testimony? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think it popped back up then. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Let's go to this email. | ||
| I just asked you whether it was your sworn testimony. | ||
| I said the best of my recollection. | ||
| Okay, well that's what we're here to figure out. | ||
| Okay, so your recollection is that by June of 2015, you had told Rob Dew. | ||
| That you did not want Dan Badani reporting for you any longer. | ||
| Yes, I probably told him before that, and I'm sure you'll show me when he popped back up or if he did, or I can't remember. | ||
| And you didn't have that conversation with Dan Badani yourself at that time, did you, or did you? | ||
| No, I told Rob. | ||
| You told Rob prior to June of 2015 that you did not want Badani reporting for you, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, well, this is a trap. | ||
| But it is interesting. | ||
| Alex is like, I was just being nice to these people. | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| When all else fails, fall back on politeness as you're... | ||
| Listen, I'm a Texas boy. | ||
| You just got to be nice. | ||
| If there's ever been a case for it's cruel to be kind, this is it. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
| Do you know what my... | ||
| Here's my big failing with this whole Sandy Hook thing. | ||
| Too nice. | ||
| Too nice to people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Too nice to the wrong people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You get burned. | ||
| Man, it is weird listening to these depositions after all of them really start coming in. | ||
| It's just like, they don't want to be held responsible For anything they say. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And I'm not talking about anything they said about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I'm talking about if they were like, hey, listen, I'm going to go, I think I just had a Coke. | ||
| And you'd be like, did you have a Coke? | ||
| And they'd be like, well, I don't know for sure if I had a Coke. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| It's like, no, just be responsible for one thing you say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did a little mini AMA on our Facebook group, and someone asked me if I ever made the lasagna I said I was going to make. | ||
| Did you? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| No comment, man. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, you did not. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| No one said I had to make this out of you? | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, just... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Just one thing. | ||
| So Alex has now staked a position. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That he was telling folks, no more Badandi. | ||
| He staked a position that is unstakeable for Alex. | ||
| Well, now we get to what will be the rest of the deposition, which is discussing Dan Badandi and his trip to Newtown in 2015. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, this is pretty expertly done, I would say. | ||
| I think that Maddie does a great job of... | ||
| Well, I mean, he's already trapped Alex with putting a date on when he said stop it with Badandi. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So now he plays Alex some video of Badandi. | ||
| And it's the video of him harassing the police chief and yelling at him. | ||
| And he gets Alex to, you know, talk about how bad this is. | ||
| You're aware that Mr. Badandi did go up to Connecticut in June of 2015 to report for you, right? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| I don't remember all this. | ||
| Let's pull up Exhibit 100A, please. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I can't hear that. | |
| I don't know if you care. | ||
| Just pause it right there. | ||
| You recognize the gentleman in the blue on blue striped shirt? | ||
| That's Dan Badati. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Do you know who he's trailing and trying to ask questions? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| All right. | ||
| Go ahead and keep going. | ||
| It says Truth Radio Show in the lower right-hand corner. | ||
| Yeah, you see it has truthradioshow.com in the lower right-hand corner? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you see it has infowars.com in the lower left-hand corner? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And you're aware that Mr. Badati sent this footage to Infowars, right? | ||
| I believe he published it. | ||
| I don't remember exactly, but he was doing his own thing then, but still putting infowars up. | ||
| And I, behind the scenes, said stop putting infowars on it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mr. Jones, you published this video. | |
| Are you aware of that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, so it's not true. | ||
| Where do we publish it? | ||
| We'll get to it, but it's not true that... | ||
| You didn't, that he was doing his own thing and he wasn't up there for you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| You guys obsess over this point. | ||
| I have not to die, but Dan, but I need to do some work for us. | ||
| You just denied. | ||
| You just denied a moment ago. | ||
| I don't remember exactly. | ||
| I believed it ended around then, but I knew I was telling him to stop having to do it by then. | ||
| So you could have been wrong about that. | ||
| I've told you this is all a blur. | ||
| All right, let's keep going. | ||
| Yeah, so this is going to cascade as Alex's illusions about... | ||
| What he did with Badandi and their relationship become transparently a lie. | ||
| And it's fun to watch, I will be honest. | ||
| There's this stuff that's really heavy with him refusing to say any names because he doesn't know any of the names of the children or people who were killed. | ||
| The outbursts and accusations, that makes me feel a little uncomfortable. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| This! | ||
| Delightful end. | ||
| It's real nice to watch Alex try and wiggle his way around like, I didn't do this. | ||
| It does feel like he's so filled with skewers at this point, Chris might as well be an acupuncturist, and now we're about to close the Iron Maiden door on his face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Badandi's there, and he's being followed by a cameraman who uses some dirty language. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh boy. | |
| And the person who's operating the camera, who is that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is it your testimony that... | ||
| That person was working as a contract cameraman for you, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| You sure about that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know who that person is. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Let's keep going. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you. | |
| Did you hear the gentleman operating the camera refer to this person in front of him as a crooked, corrupt, piece of shit MF? | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| That's obviously not appropriate, is it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Probably shouldn't say that this public official's a piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's usually not a good one to go with. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No, it's not in the handbook. | ||
| So, Alex is being shown this video, and it's so inappropriate that he has no alternative but to say, like, yeah, Dan Badondi had gone rogue. | ||
| Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| He was using that InfoWars logo, but he wasn't really... | ||
| Never even... | ||
| He wasn't allowed to. | ||
| Hey, this is bad behavior. | ||
| We talked about this afterwards. | ||
| HR got on top of it. | ||
| My dad was right there. | ||
| He was not HR at that time, I don't think. | ||
| But, yeah, he's just trying to pretend like we had no relationship. | ||
| Can you pause it right there? | ||
| Do you see that woman with the blonde hair and the sunglasses? | ||
| Do you have any idea who that is? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| No. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's play 66B. | ||
| Actually, before we go, you see the woman in the sunglasses. | ||
| They're now the same woman we saw before. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You said you didn't know who she was? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's Pat Lodra, who was the first selectman of Newtown at the time of the shooting. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Does that matter to you? | ||
| I mean, Dan Badani was in this for his Truth Radio show, putting info on it. | ||
| I was telling Rob Duda around this time before that I didn't want Badani doing our stuff because I didn't like the way he was doing stuff. | ||
| He did a little bit of that in Austin. | ||
| That's why I fired him then. | ||
| And then he just kept doing stuff as an auxiliary person. | ||
| I don't think he got... | ||
| I just... | ||
| I haven't been able to get clear answers on all this. | ||
| And so that's what's... | ||
| Oh, so you have asked people about it? | ||
| Mr. Jones, this footage... | ||
| Actually, let's keep going. | ||
| Go to 100B. | ||
| I remember seeing this footage and saying, you know, tell Badani don't put M4s on the stuff. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| You aired it, correct? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Myself? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't remember doing that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| You agree, having seen their conduct in there, that it's highly inappropriate, everything we just saw, correct? | ||
| Well, I mean, our government line about WMDs and drag queen story times are highly wrong. | ||
| I'm not this, you know, I know I'm like the villain and you guys are the heroes and everything, but I mean, I don't remember all the details of this. | ||
| I'm answering your questions honestly. | ||
| No, you didn't just answer my question. | ||
| I just asked you whether the footage we just saw is entirely inappropriate. | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I mean, that's not... | ||
| I mean, people can make their own opinion out of that. | ||
| It's the First Amendment. | ||
| I'm asking you your opinion. | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I mean, I don't like how they were acting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's the cracking, right? | ||
| I mean, isn't that what you expect out of Dan Badandi? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| No, not stuff like that. | ||
| Asking questions, though. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, let's keep going with 100B. | ||
| Yeah, so, I mean, it's... | ||
| You know, you have the deflection, you know, like, oh, it can't answer a straight question. | ||
| Secondarily, you have this video that Alex is being shown that there is legitimately no way to defend. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| Nothing. | ||
| And Alex can't spin this. | ||
| No. | ||
| There is just, like, the cameraman calling people fucking pieces of shit. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No kidding. | |
| You have Badandi yelling, you're going to prison. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is not, like, anything you could stand behind. | ||
| And so it's tough. | ||
| It's disgraceful. | ||
| It's a tough position to be in. | ||
| And so Alex can only be like, yep, I didn't hear this. | ||
| You did. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Right now, you are wearing an I Heart Badandi tank top. | ||
| Do you not understand what we are doing right here? | ||
| I had a bunch in the warehouse from a long time ago. | ||
| What do you mean you had a bunch in the warehouse? | ||
| It's a laundry day. | ||
| That one says you signed it. | ||
| You signed that shirt. | ||
| It raises the value. | ||
| I just signed all of them by back in the day. | ||
| You know, you've got these people who are making crime accusations to people in Newtown. | ||
| Sure, that's an issue. | ||
| And so Alex has posed the question of whether or not the First Amendment protects you if you make false crime accusations. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Did you see Mr. Badani there accuse the... | |
| Chief of the Newtown police of perjury. | ||
| That's his first amendment, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But you saw him. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He accused the chief of police of a crime, correct? | |
| Yes. | ||
| And you have no idea what the basis for that accusation was, correct? | ||
| I don't know the particular reason. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is it somebody's first amendment right, Mr. Jones, to falsely accuse somebody of a crime? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hell, the Democrats said burning our city was mostly peaceful. | |
| Deflection. | ||
| Is it your view that the First Amendment protects somebody from falsely accusing somebody of a crime? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| If that's his opinion, I don't know the context of it, so I really can't comment on it. | ||
| I don't have to know the context to give you my opinion. | ||
| Okay, but you know that if I were to accuse you of a crime, Mr. Jones, and I have no reasonable basis for doing that, That's not protected speech, is it? | ||
| You claim that because the judge says we gave you fraudulent financials, it's true because she's the judge, jury, and executioner. | ||
| That's not America. | ||
| It seems, Mr. Jones, that you're trying to evade a very clear question I've asked you about the First Amendment. | ||
| Can you falsely accuse people of crimes with no basis? | ||
| Now, let me ask you a question, Dan. | ||
| Is there any sort of law that says it is against the law to falsely accuse someone of a crime? | ||
| First Amendment, baby. | ||
| Oh, okay, never mind. | ||
| So Alex believes that you can do that to public figures. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What if you lie about somebody committing a crime? | |
| That's not protected by the First Amendment, is it? | ||
| Well, it's different to say if you were mistaken or if that person's a public figure. | ||
| I understand you guys want to broaden to get rid of the First Amendment, but America's already awake. | ||
| Bobby Parker wasn't a public figure, was he? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| When he put himself out there after the shooting at press conferences, he became a public figure. | ||
| And that gave you the right to lie about him, you think? | ||
| I didn't lie about him. | ||
| Mr. Jones, have you ever sued anybody for defamation? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I will now. | |
| I don't? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that kind of really seals all the evidence you need that the I don't remember or I don't know answers aren't sincere. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| If you ever sued somebody, I don't know. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| That path of questions was devastating for Alex. | ||
| He's saying that it's in your First Amendment right to be able to make false accusations against public figures, and then is Robbie Parker a public figure? | ||
| Well, Robbie Parker gave a press conference after the shooting and therefore became a public figure, so you are then able to falsely accuse him of things. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yup. | |
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Oops. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Not good, Alex. | ||
| That was fun to see Alex kind of... | ||
| It is always fun whenever, like, there's more than one step. | ||
| This is a compound series of questions that all have a different circuitous route to really pin him into this hole right here, right? | ||
| And he doesn't understand when somebody's walking around him in a circle tying a rope. | ||
| He doesn't get that. | ||
| He's like, ah, they're walking away from me, so if I just hang onto this rope, I'll never get caught! | ||
| Yeah, he does... | ||
| Does not seem to... | ||
| It's partially... | ||
| It feels like obliviousness. | ||
| It partially feels like he doesn't care. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would say this. | ||
| If I was going to hunt Alex Jones, not even a thought would be given to walking out into the forest with a gun. | ||
| Not even a thought. | ||
| I would just lay traps everywhere and put pizza on things, and I guarantee he would be caught. | ||
| Sooner or later. | ||
| So, discussing this footage that Dan Badondi had from Newtown, I mean, it's just, Alex can't deny. | ||
| It's offensive stuff. | ||
| Do you know whether InfoWars streamed this on any of his channels? | ||
| I don't believe so, because I know when I saw this, I remember saying, fucking tell him to stop saying InfoWars. | ||
| I didn't ever say anything friendly about him again, or hopefully he was going to change the subject. | ||
| I knew he was going to be at the RNC, and I didn't say, oh, Dan, we'll see you. | ||
| Be friendly. | ||
| I don't think Dan's a bad person. | ||
| I just saw this stuff, and I definitely got pissed off and said, you know, you need to tell him to stop that and don't put him forwards on there. | ||
| I don't remember all the time frames or when. | ||
| I remember there was a process. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You just said. | |
| You just said you saw this footage. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You just testified under oath. | ||
| Yes, it was sent in. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| You just testified under oath that you saw this footage, and you... | ||
| Use an expletive to whoever you were talking to to say, tell him to stop saying he's associated with enforced. | ||
| Is that your sworn testimony? | ||
| I remember around this time, I remember telling people that guy. | ||
| What time was this? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| How the heck can you testify under oath just now? | ||
| Let me get my question out. | ||
| How the heck can you testify under oath that you know it was around this time when you don't even know when this was? | ||
| I remember this was sent in and I said that I don't like this. | ||
| And it took a while to get him where they stopped having him on. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You're the boss, Mr. Jones, aren't you? | |
| There's a lot going on, yeah. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you aired this footage, did you not? | ||
| Objection? | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| Well, if you looked at this footage when it came in and you saw how inappropriate it was and how much you didn't like it, you certainly wouldn't air it, would you? | ||
| If I did, please show me. | ||
| The point is, that's not the font we use for our buzz. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's not the font! | |
| It's a font! | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| They don't have that thing on them. | ||
| Mr. Jones. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mr. Jones. | |
| If you had seen this footage when it came in, and you were so appalled by it, you certainly wouldn't air it, right? | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| If I did, I was in a different state of mind and had some amnesia. | ||
|
unidentified
|
See? | |
| I have no idea whether you did it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
|
unidentified
|
There you go. | |
| I mean, please tell me. | ||
| Okay, and you don't have a recollection, as you sit here today, of telling anyone. | ||
| Tell Dan Bedondi not to, he doesn't work for us anymore, not to use InfoWars. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| I remember telling Rob to do that, yeah. | ||
| But you don't know when. | ||
| No, I remember it happened. | ||
| Very convenient. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, you can kind of already see, like, what needs to happen for the, you know, the stick to fall in the box. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So before we get to that, there's a string of questions that Matty asks, basically about all of the things that Dan Badondi did in this video. | ||
| Are these things inappropriate? | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So let's go ahead and enjoy that. | ||
| Let's do a lightning round. | ||
| Isn't this the reason, Mr. Jones, that you lied when you testified in Texas that Mr. Badondi was not working for you when he went to Sandy Hook? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I didn't lie. | ||
| If I get things wrong, it's just a flood of stuff. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| And I still don't know. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Well, Mr. Jones, you'd agree with me that that was Mr. Badanti harassing the chief of police on a public street in Connecticut, correct? | ||
| I don't agree with the way he did it, but the guy's a public figure. | ||
| And this is what you sent him to do, correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Was it appropriate for one of your reporters to yell that somebody is a criminal on a city street? | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| No, it's not appropriate for the now vice president. | ||
| Was it appropriate for... | ||
| Burn things down. | ||
| Was it appropriate for... | ||
| I think he said no, it's not appropriate, right? | ||
| He said more, but you said no, it's not appropriate. | ||
| I'm asking you whether it was a reporter. | ||
| I don't want to hear about anybody else. | ||
|
unidentified
|
The court reporter didn't hear his answer. | |
| She asked for him to repeat it. | ||
| Please repeat your answer, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Why don't we do this first? | ||
| Repeat the question. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I didn't get the whole question. | |
| All right, so I'm going to ask you again. | ||
| Was it appropriate for an InfoWars reporter to yell that somebody is a criminal on a city street? | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| If it's their free speech, yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Was it appropriate for an InfoWars reporter to accuse... | |
| No, no, no, no, that's not... | ||
| ...and repeat was that he didn't think it was appropriate for a current vice president to do something about... | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| Thank you for telling me about it. | ||
| Good work, Norm. | ||
| You got him. | ||
| So, let me ask you this. | ||
| Pay that man 30 grand. | ||
| Was it appropriate for an InfoWars reporter to accuse someone of perjury on a public street? | ||
| Objection. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| He wasn't acting an Infowars reporter in my view. | ||
| Answer my question. | ||
| I don't like them doing that, but it's just First Amendment. | ||
| Would it have been appropriate for an Infowars reporter to yell at somebody that they're trying to get an interview with, have fun and jail criminal? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Is that appropriate? | ||
| No, I don't think it's good. | ||
| Was it appropriate to say you're going to jail criminal? | ||
| Was that appropriate? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Objection. | |
| No, I don't think it's good. | ||
| Was it appropriate to say you're going to jail for fraud? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Objection. | ||
| He's allowed to say that. | ||
| And you must have really not liked when they said Infowars.com, the number one alternative news source in the world, that that's who they were working for. | ||
| You must have really not liked that. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Probably didn't. | ||
| Well, I mean, he probably did actually enjoy it because Free Pub. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| He definitely enjoyed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He loved it. | ||
| So, it would be really unfortunate if there were a clip. | ||
| Oh, it would be so bad. | ||
| Of, like, Alex saying that he sent Badandi to... | ||
| No, there's no way that would be a clip, because he told Rob Dew to get that fucker off of that show, right? | ||
| That's what he said to Rob Dew. | ||
| He didn't enjoy it. | ||
| Well, that's what he said afterwards, apparently. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Or maybe... | ||
| But now, your uncle, John Dew, Navy SEAL, uh... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Retired FBI agent, works for a successful security company. | |
| I had missed this episode of the Nightly News back on June 4th. | ||
| And then again last week when you did an update. | ||
| And then I heard you talking about it yesterday. | ||
| I knew that we'd sent our reporter, Dan Madondi, there for days to cover the city council hearings about it. | ||
| See how you said that you had missed the report Mr. Do had done about this on June 4th? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that you knew you had sent your reporter, Dan Badandi, up there? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| And when I saw it later, I didn't like what happened. | ||
| So you sent Mr. Badandi up there for the June hearing, correct? | ||
| Sounds like I did. | ||
| That's what I told you. | ||
| I don't remember the exact time, but I think then when I saw the footage, I know that footage I didn't like, and I said, we can't see what happened. | ||
| The first time it sounded to you like maybe you did send him up there. | ||
| Was when I just played yourself saying it. | ||
| Thanks for refreshing my memory. | ||
| Before that, you had told me under oath that you think you stopped sending it. | ||
| You think you never sent it to Sandy Hook, right? | ||
| You keep saying under oath. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| You showed it to me. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| I know at some point I told people, don't cover this. | ||
| And I said, don't have Benanti on. | ||
| I mean, it's that simple. | ||
| At least it wasn't before this, right? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| So look, there's this. | ||
| Interesting dichotomy, and that is, you can speak definitively about things once they're indisputable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, once you show a video of, like, I sent Dan Batandi up there to do this, now you can start talking, you can say, oh, yeah, okay, I did that. | ||
| But until that point... | ||
| Anything could be possible. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it is a little bit like Alex should stop at some point and be like, listen, we can play this game all day. | ||
| I'm going to lie to you. | ||
| You're going to know that I'm lying, but I'm going to keep doing it. | ||
| Just play your proof first and then I won't have to lie for 20 minutes. | ||
| We can get out of here. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom! | ||
| Get it out! | ||
| You know it wouldn't go boom, boom, boom. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Still be funny, though. | ||
| We have one more clip here, and it's about this video of Rob Dew's uncle. | ||
| And, yeah, this looks bad for Alex. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right, go ahead. | |
| Keep playing it. | ||
| Mystery. | ||
| Sandy Hook victim dies again in Pakistan. | ||
| A photo of a child killed at Sandy Hook shows up in Pakistan school shooting at multiple rallies. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| I mean, ladies and gentlemen, we are on something big here. | ||
| Let's go ahead and go to part of this clip with your uncle. | ||
| This is John Dew, our news director's uncle that we just suddenly see at the Sandy Hook hearing with our reporter. | ||
| Here's Dan Badani. | ||
| And what do you think you witnessed the whole hearing? | ||
| What did you hear last time to do? | ||
| No, no. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, but the thing you did today, what did you think the whole thing was? | |
| Very strange. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Very strange? | |
| Very strange situation, yes. | ||
| Yeah, and so what do you expect to come out of this? | ||
| Do you think they're going to try to cover us up, or is this going to go anywhere? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I really don't know. | |
| I've never seen anything like this before. | ||
| And again, I wish... | ||
| So... | ||
| So, that's Dan Bedondi, right, on the day of the footage that we just watched. | ||
| Correct? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We're in the same shirt, right? | ||
| So they put that out? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, no, no. | |
| Just want to make sure that that's the same day, right? | ||
| I'm guessing it is. | ||
| And the person he was interviewing was Rob Dew's uncle, yeah? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, you claimed that Rob Dew's uncle, former FBI agent, was investigating Sandy Hook, right? | ||
| He said he was up there looking into it, yes. | ||
| Well, no, no, I'm saying what you claimed. | ||
| You said that an FBI agent was investigating Sandy Hook, right? | ||
| I said former FBI agent was up there looking into it. | ||
| Let's play it. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I'm glad that Donnie was there. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| I wish it would have gone on there. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You just hear he said that Donnie did a great job? | ||
| I haven't seen the other thing that he put out on his show. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Well, I think that fell apart a little bit for Alex. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, the deposition is, at this point, basically reached its end point where we break for the day. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And we come back at another point for another round of questions with Alex. | ||
| We'll see if he finds that Bloomberg email. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| See if he gets any of the things that he promised he would produce. | ||
| See if he figures out when he fired Badandi. | ||
| You know what's great about these now? | ||
| Especially now, okay? | ||
| Is during these depositions in the past, I've been like, man. | ||
| I hope these guys lose a lot of money. | ||
| But now, in the future, I get to be like, dude, that answer cost you $1 billion. | ||
| You fucking idiot. | ||
| That dumb answer was part... | ||
| Whatever part it was, it was a part of a billion. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| Yeah, let's itemize your shitty answers for how much they cost you. | ||
| That'd be fascinating if you'd be able to. | ||
| It would be. | ||
| So, I mean, there's been a lot in here. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| Kind of new information, a lot of retreading of some of the stuff that we've seen before, some outbursts. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Of course. | |
| Just a wild bit of interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will say I have watched the other days. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And the second day, I mean... | ||
| It's not disappointing if you're thinking it's gonna slow down. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It does feel like... | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
| It does feel like after listening to a day, after being in a day of depositions, of this, you have a night to sleep on it, you go out, you go have dinner with Norm and a shitty conversation about whatever Sarnev brother is dating his niece now. | ||
| Well, Tamerlan's dead. | ||
| Yeah, well. | ||
| Why don't you think, okay, here's what I could do better. | ||
| There's no room for improvement, honestly. | ||
| He nailed it. | ||
| Ten out of ten. | ||
| Perfect job. | ||
| Just how can I make this smoother or less painful? | ||
| Less painful! | ||
| Don't you dislike pain? | ||
| No, because he has that Miracle Juice whiskey. | ||
| That's a good call. | ||
| And that keeps him happy. | ||
| Yeah, I had a couple of out-of-context drops that I wanted to play, but I forgot to at the beginning. | ||
| So here they are. | ||
| They may annoy you in the future. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I like Dan. | ||
| So there's one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then here's the other one. | ||
| Dan's really funny in ways. | ||
| Yeah, there we go. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Unfortunately, no one named Jordan came up, so... | ||
| Nope, never gonna happen. | ||
| Never gonna happen. | ||
| All the compliments that Dan... | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's unfortunate that... | |
| Yeah, I do have to... | ||
| Take compliments that were meant for Badandi. | ||
| What's funny about that is how Alex was talking shit about Badandi in the deposition, removing all of the compliments that Badandi received, only to then bestow them upon you by accident. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| So, we'll be back, I believe, on our next episode. | ||
| We'll take on day two. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX. | ||
| Clark, I... | ||
| I already did condo. | ||
| I did sublet. | ||
| Timeshare. | ||
| Timeshare. | ||
| Timeshare in the brain. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Come to the seminar. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We'll see if we can sell you on this vacation home that you have to share with people. | ||
| Free bottle of tequila if you stick through it again. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| It's not a scam. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |