Owen Shroyer’s abrupt exit from InfoWars—after a decade of hosting The War Room—followed Alex Jones’ mocking claims that Shroyer would soon be "overshadowed." Shroyer accused Jones of disrupting his show, falsely claiming a family emergency, and forcing him into a live-stream farewell on Labor Day. His new Wynn Network (launching October 6) promises traditional news but includes sponsored roasts and rants, a move critics like Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dismiss as delusional, lacking novelty, and doomed by Shroyer’s past controversies—like his "Cuck Destroyer" persona and selective Sandy Hook coverage. Despite Shroyer’s denials of censorship, Jones allegedly pressured him to soften criticism of Trump and Israel, hinting at a pattern of silencing dissent. The episode leaves Shroyer’s future uncertain, but his departure underscores InfoWars’ fading relevance as even its most combative figures struggle to break away without backlash or absurdity. [Automatically generated summary]
So Owen sucks a lot and he doesn't have the goods to make it on his own in the hyper competitive world of right-wing propaganda and supplement sales.
So his departure from Infowars really seems like a big shock.
He'd been through so much with Alex and he'd never left.
He was there through Trump losing in 2020.
He was there as COVID happened.
He was there on January 6 and he ended up going to jail.
He gave a deposition in the Sandy Hook case where attorney Bill Ogden.
got him to say that he was a puppet.
He was there as Alex sat idly by and let Gene Hackman die.
He watched his position as Alex's heir apparent get usurped by Chase Geyser and then again by Nick Fuentes.
And through all of that, he didn't leave.
But now he's gone.
Obviously, good riddance and rest and piss and all that shit, but for real, this is a major moment in Infowars trajectory.
Owen came to Infowars in the period around the twenty sixteen election, and he'd got Alex's attention by being the guy who would go out to protest and antagonize people.
He'd get into fights and just post the parts that made him look smart and cool cool on YouTube, which earned him the title of the cuck destroyer.
In some ways, this is kind of the next generation evolution of Alex's whole thing.
He made a name for himself by antagonizing people with a bullhorn and by selectively editing videos in a way that made him look like a crusading hero.
Alex made a big scene on camera at the DMV when he refused to get thumb scanned, but he was sure not to record the part where he came back later and went along with the process because he needed to get his driver's license to go to work.
Owen was playing the same sort of game, but in the new generation it was much crueler, and his version really only worked when he was able to make someone else look like a fool.
So he built a name for himself by giving other people he included in his videos names like Aid Skrillix and all of these side characters.
They hold it in place and keep things where they need to be.
They're boring, and their personality is not a relevant factor in whether or not they're doing a good job and they don't exist in right wing media.
Right wing media can only exist based on constant motion.
I've made the metaphor of a Jesus lizard before or wily coyote running off a cliff.
As long as they keep moving, they don't fall.
The second you acknowledge that the ground isn't solid, you're done, so you have to keep moving.
Every headline you come across is actually about some other story and it all connects and if you just keep talking, people will forget what you were saying and it doesn't matter that none of it makes sense.
This media format is based on chaos and motion, whereas an anchor is the embodiment of stability and steadiness.
Owen has always thought that he was being an anchor, but he doesn't realize that that's a vestigial position in the media field that he works in.
On the one hand, what an anchor does hurts the process of info war style media.
But on a more important level, the audience distrusts anchors and inherently feels like they're liars.
Alex yells about how all the people in the news are like their teleprompter readers being fed globalist scripts, and a big part of that is just attacking them for being professional.
They don't have emotional outbursts on air and rant about sci fi movies they kind of remember because that's not their job.
Their job is to deliver information in an understandable and concise manner.
But that detachment from baser human impulses can look like deception to suspicious minds, and Alex preys on those suspicious minds.
The entire ecosystem that Infors represents is built in opposition to that, the dinosaur media, the MSM, and their audience doesn't want dry news readers and anchors.
They want personalities, they want drama and excitement.
Alex didn't hire Owen because he had did solid work at the sports station that he worked at before.
He hired him because he posted videos where he made fun of leftists and tried to make them cry.
But I don't think Owen has ever fully understood that, that is why he got hired.
And that not understanding is part of what makes him so painfully uninteresting as an info wars host.
Owen thinks he's a news anchor, and it's probably because he was a straight sports guy before he got hired at InfoWars.
But he gave up that whole thing, that whole thing is gone to pursue the path that he decided to take instead.
He bullied people and made fun of people at protests, and that opened the door to InfoWars for him.
And when he stepped through that door, there were no anchors.
There are no straight up reporters.
There are personalities and characters working to push the narrative and sell pills.
So right now, he's either completely fucked or he's perfectly situated.
to exploit the current situation in the world.
Alex is blowing up his own ship and ruining whatever legacy he thought he might be able to hold on to.
He's cheerleading Trump's clear police state actions and clearly signaling that Trump covering up the Epstein stuff isn't important enough for him to care about.
But he's also about to lose his company, and with it, he's going to lose the info war's name and brand.
Alex is weak because of the consequences he's suffering, but also because he's making decisions that cut against the grain of the worldview he's sold.
And he's also promoting Nazi shit.
And that's where Owen's dilemma falls.
As it stands, Alex can't appeal to the Nazi types in his audience by pretending to be one of them.
That's a lost cause.
He has too much baggage.
He could never really convince them he's cool, but Owen could.
Owen could market himself as the guy who left Infowars because Alex wasn't letting him speak freely.
Alex wouldn't let him name names and call out the Jews.
He could craft a new space for himself, but it would mean being a pretty open Nazi and completely burning Alex.
On the flip side, he could notice Alex's clear drift towards anti Semitic shit and towards supporting the police state and everything Infowars is supposed to be against and brand himself as the real Infowars.
Alex lost his way and got it caught up chasing power and Trump's cult of personality seduced him into forgetting his principles, but Owen remembers.
He tried to make it work on the inside until the point where Alex was clearly irredeemable, and he just had to quit.
Owen didn't leave the party, the party left him.
He could do that.
These are the two paths that could work for him, but ultimately neither are really going to get him that far.
He sucks, and no one would have ever heard his name if he hadn't gotten hired at Infowars, so that level of talent is going to even things out eventually.
If he tries to become a Nazi guy, he's not going to be the best Nazi guy in that mediate space.
If he tries to be the real Infowars guy, he's not going to be great at that either.
He has a fairly short window where he's anything other than just another guy.
For a little while, he gets to be the guy who left InfoWars.
And if he capitalizes on that right, he might be able to buy a little bit of time, but it's not going to last.
He's an anchor in a media space that doesn't need anchors, and he's not good enough of an Alex impersonator to stand out on his own as a personality in this space.
So I wish Owen the least safe of travels in his future endeavors, but the question remains, why did he quit?
I mean, honestly, we're going to talk a little bit about Owen taking some calls and a few of these people brought up sports things and he lit up like a Christmas tree.
I mean, I suppose, I suppose, if you wanted attention.
Attention, like if you wanted to do some attention seeking right now before info wars is completely gone with a with hopefully a whimper, uh, make a blow up, you know, make a big fight and then, you know, Owen can get his like the New York Times reporters are slobbering over like, oh, do you why does Alex suck pieces?
yeah because it's been it this is not a new thing no no no it's it's it's weird it's a little bit uh surprising yeah especially the language but it's not it doesn't work no so he talks a little bit more and uh seems to think that trump is lying about everything right well yeah i just don't get it yeah i really don't when uh trump comes out and says how great the economy is doing and how all the prices are lowered and i'm just like is anybody seeing this i'm
genuinely asking is anybody seeing this it's definitely not here not here in austin texas uh i mean gas prices are down a little A little bit from the Biden administration, a little bit.
It's not really budget changing.
The grocery bills are certainly not down.
If anything, they're they might be up, I guess, depending on what you purchase.
Well, And then just generally speaking, energy bills aren't going down here either.
So I so I don't know what he's talking about with that.
I don't know if that's somebody telling him that that's the case or if somebody's feeding him numbers that are that are isolated in some area that's doing better.
I don't know if it's an average.
I don't, nobody's telling me this is going on.
So I'm going to get, I'm going to get Ed Dowd's opinion.
You know, I'm just going to do this on air.
Hey guys, I got some, some weird noise in the studio.
Can someone just come in here and figure out what this is bothering the hell hell out of me.
Don't worry if you're in the background here.
It sounds like it's right behind me.
Sorry to do that.
It sounds like there's a rat running around the screens behind me.
So it's clear that Owen has a perspective that's kind of unwelcome at Infowars.
He's able to accurately call Trump taking ten percent stake in Intel fascism.
And he's able to see through the dear leader's lies about how well the policies are all going.
This isn't good because if it's allowed to continue, he and Alex are going to drift further and further apart.
And it's going to be too clear that one of them is lying.
Or one of them is lying more and worse.
But I'm curious about the sound issue that Owen's describing.
I'm sure that he's actually hearing some kind of weird interference, but considering this is his last full show, it's interesting that he's talking about them catching a rat live on air.
By the way, I want to make another point about that young girl in Scotland standing up for herself against the Muslim invaders that, of course, they look at.
Western nations as weak.
They're like, wow, you're just going to let us come into your country and give us stuff for free?
You're weak and pathetic.
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Are you going to give us access to your daughters too?
So now this girl obviously knew this was going to happen.
That's why she brought a knife and a hatchet.
She knew it was going to happen.
Now I'm going to put that down for a second.
I want to switch to the trucker issue coming up here in five minutes.
But we are going to get back into that in a second here.
And then I kind of teased the situation going on at Fox, which we've talked about before, but there's an interesting new development that might kind of, it could actually shake things up a little bit there.
We'll have that coming up momentarily.
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So a lot of the first hour of this show is Owen being really critical of Israel.
He's far more able to directly criticize Netanyahu and the Israeli government than Alex, which is a stark difference between the two men's show.
Alex dances around the question of whether or not there's a genocide being carried out against the Palestinian people, and he throws smoke bombs into every conversation about like Mossad doing nine hundred eleven or how Alex just doesn't want Palestinian refugees coming here.
Conversely, Owen's able to speak more directly to the actual news events like hospitals being bombed and things like that.
radically different coverage than Alex, but he's actually doing mostly the same thing.
I would have just left this alone and not even pointed it out, but I felt like I would be lying by omission if I didn't call it out because I think that there's going to be a lot of people in the far right spaces that'll say that Owen got fired because he was too critical of Israel.
If Owen wants to give his future career a better chance at success, he'll play into that too.
That would be very smart of him.
This is categorically not the reason that he and Alex would not be able to work together anymore though.
His coverage of Israel is a little less convoluted and all over the place than Alex's, but nothing he's saying is really that out of sync with what you hear on Infowars pretty regularly.
And that's kind of what that clip embodies.
It's kind of business as usual.
Owen's still doing his job and covering white victimhood narratives the way he's supposed to and whipping the audience into a little bit of an emotional state in order to transition to a sales pitch.
It's classic info war shit, and he clearly has no problem playing the games like he always has.
That was the most I listening to that one made me feel like this man was talking to himself in the middle of like I feel like this is what makes the most sense for this type of stuff is for it to be on YouTube somewhere with like three views and maybe at the middle of the night you find it and you stumble upon it and you're like, Does anyone even know about this guy?
This is so weird he's alone why is he even doing this but instead there's people right like that's that's strange but then to to just be like, oh, well, hey give it ten dollars on us you know he does a little on us kind of thing for nothing yeah and you win a truck exactly he does a little he puts a little on there I mean it's what Chase said on one of our recent episodes it's a tough pitch it is a tough pitch going from white genocide over into,
So that's a pretty tough argument to defend without being pretty direct about white nationalism.
I think a lot of Owen's ability to say this kind of stuff depends on his use of that idiom you don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
He uses that expression to make what he's saying sound normal, like it's just a common thing for someone to advocate.
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here is an expression that's used by bouncers to kick people out of bars at the end of the night.
This is a scenario where the bar is closing and everyone is going home.
The staff needs to get everyone out because they have to clean up, and then they go home themselves.
No one is staying here, so the expression you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here is meant to be a playful way of saying our part in your night is over.
The law says we can't serve alcohol past a certain hour, and our business only exists to sell you alcohol, so goodbye.
Owen is describing as very different.
He's saying that foreigners can't stay here, whereas other people are going to be able to continue to stay here.
The bar isn't closing, but some people aren't welcome anymore.
Also, the bar isn't kicking people out, it's shipping them off to various other places.
This bar is talking about sending someone to Uganda for no reason.
What Owen is actually saying is that he's abandoned the pretense of caring where immigrants are sent when they're deported and no longer cares if they're treated as humans.
Previously, they tried to pretend that it was important that people go back to the countries where their families are from, but now he doesn't even care to try and make it look like that matters.
Diego Garcia was sent to El Salvador, which was illegal because he had fled from El Salvador as a child, and the US government had stipulated that he couldn't be sent back there without putting him in danger.
They just wouldn't allow it.
So when the Trump administration sent him to a prison in El Salvador, they were forced to bring him back to the United States, which is a bit embarrassing, and now there's talk of sending him to Uganda.
Owen's trying to dress this up with a folksy aphorism, but this isn't anything like a bar telling customers they need to get out because they're closing.
This is a targeted discharge of certain customers while the bar remains open, where the bar isn't just letting them out into the street to go home if they like, but sending them to Africa.
I mean, listen, I understand all that, but I'm frustrated because, and I hate to say this, I feel like the appropriate thing to say is, you don't have to go home, but Uganda go.
But what's going on here is that Owen has married two aspects of right wing entertainment into a really bad combination.
This is one part info wars host blowing hard, and one part confrontational debate guy on a college campus.
Sure.
The confrontational debate guy does stuff like force the person they're debating to point to Uganda on a map because if they can't, then they look dumb and weak.
Sure.
It's a tactic that relies on there being someone else there to humiliate, and when it works, you can use that to mask weak arguments that you're putting forth.
The InfoWars host blowing hard is the voice that's trying to come up with a way to say, Hey, liberals, you don't want this dangerous person staying with you.
This is a tactic that's best used solo, because if you make this point to the wrong person and they say, I have no problem with someone like Abrego Garcia staying in my home, now you look weak.
Owen is trying to use this debate guy trick to dress up his InfoWars host point, and it just comes out looking like shit, because neither game is being played correctly.
There's no one there to fail to point out Uganda so you can't dunk on anybody, and the idea that if someone can point to Uganda on a map, then these immigrants can stay, it makes it seem like you really aren't that worried about the danger these people represent.
It trivializes what's supposed to be a very important fear that is behind the info war.
Owen sucks, and I think that this clip is a great representation of why.
He's just not very good at any of this, and his teacher and mentor for the past almost decade has been Alex, a man whose only gifts are things that can't be taught.
You can't, you have to be traumatized into being Alex.
Because, like, what about me knowing where Uganda is, what does that mean have to do with whether or not it's appropriate for Trump to deport someone to a random country that they're not from and they have no connection to?
I mean, it's just it's incomprehensible, but it has the it has the sound and cadence of what they're supposed to sound like, which again is why Oden sucks.
If only she was somewhere else, Ukrainian refugee, 23 years old, who fled war for a safer life in the United States, knived to death by a homeless career criminal in North Carolina.
To be clear, I think Owen's saying that he supports an attractive Ukrainian woman being here because she's attractive and he's a man, not her being murdered.
I don't think that he's saying that he's in favor of murdering her.
So Owen should take a real hard look in the mirror about that thing he said about how it's hard to see troops on the street, but there's no murders in DC.
The first problem is that's not true.
There have been murders in DC, and incident based crime reporting is never accurate up to the date, so experts caution not to be so sure about whatever numbers you see for at least about six weeks.
Even so, there have still been violent crimes and even murders in DC while Trump's been doing that.
But leaving that aside, am I to take away from this a belief that the police state is acceptable if crime is lower?
InfoWars ideology has been broken, but it worked to lower the crime rates, so maybe it's good.
Does Owen really expect anyone to believe that this is his sincere position?
He's worked at InfoWars for almost a decade and they almost declared independence from the United States because of DUI checkpoints while Obama was in office.
You're in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong city.
You might get stomped out.
You might get beaten out on the streets and robbed.
You'll be lucky if you can escape with your life.
You might get stabbed.
You might get shot.
Again, I can't even this stuff is so insane right now.
I don't even know what I end up sending the crew and what I don't, but I mean crazy videos on the New York City Subway, all this stuff happening in Chicago.
So, okay, one option, just continue as it is.
You're in one of these big blue cities.
You're who knows, be careful out there.
You can't carry, by the way.
Okay.
Option two.
This is what we see the Trump administration doing.
Let's send in the military.
Let's militarize the streets and let's show that you can stop crime.
So you can put up a fight about it.
You can say, I don't want to see this military in my streets.
I don't want to see the American military turned in word to the US cities.
Like, okay, reasonable, zero murders in DC.
And most of the DC residents support it.
So I say, okay, you know what?
Not my city.
I don't really like it.
I don't like that it's come to this, but it's worked.
So to be totally clear, there's a third option that he eventually gets around to that he supports even more than these other two, and that is to make sure that everyone has guns and everyone knows that if you shoot someone, it's cool.
Like if you feel threatened by someone and you shoot them in self defense, you're not going to get prosecuted for that.
I mean, you do understand, right, that if you make the argument that everyone should have guns, you are also making the argument equally that everyone should not have guns.
Yeah, it's, you know, it's the dumb thing where they.
Where they I don't know, Alex has expressed this in the past and I'm sure Owen feels it in some ways that like, if everybody's armed then chivalry is guaranteed because everyone will be like, if I fight you I might get shot.
Yeah.
Like, so everyone will treat each other nicely because of the fear of people killed.
This is so goddamn pathetic that I can't imagine being someone who works at InfoWars saying something like that and not committing seppaku.
You're doing the thing that you've always said your enemies are going to do.
Make excuses for why expansion of police state powers are justified by scary circumstances.
You're doing the devil's work by your own definition.
Add on top of this the fact that the feds in DC have not been successful in dramatically reducing crime, but Trump has lied to say that it has worked.
On top of that, DC residents are not in favor of the feds being there, but Trump has lied and said that they are.
Owen is justifying Trump's expansion of his powers by repeating two lies Trump has told, so he's once again being a fucking puppet.
According to a CNN poll, seventy nine percent of respondents in DC opposed Trump's actions in terms of federalizing the police and using the National Guard.
sixty one percent said that they felt less safe as a result of Trump's actions, so Owen trying to wash his hands of supporting this by claiming the locals like it, it's a special kind of disgusting.
But really think about this.
If what Owen is saying were true, why should he have any problem with the idea of like Wisconsin banning guns?
If it lowered the crime rate and the public supported it, it seems like his take should be that it's hard to see., but good for them, right?
He showed well, I mean, the other thing is essentially that the military being called and placed inside there is a de facto gun grab because Yeah, guns are being confiscated.
The thing that these dick shits can't get into their heads is that supporting this makes it so they really can't defend anything anymore.
If acceptance of the federal government operating as a police state is conditional, then none of their positions mean anything and no one has an obligation to take anything seriously.
It's me, it's really put me in even into a little bit of a tailspin because like, why care about why take any of these words seriously?
Like, and it frustrates me to no end still further that when you say like 81% of residents are against it, the other 19% aren't against, you know, they're not for it.
They're just responding to you like an asshole because this is the, this is the way they respond.
If you like, remove the politics from it and just go, there's going to be a bunch of guys with the AKs right outside your fucking door all day, every day.
They're like, ah, maybe I should notn't have that.
So this is the last day that Owen hosted the entire of his show, The War Room.
So I was kind of surprised to find that it's kind nothing in here that really seemed like it would be a good reason for these two guys to have split up.
Owen ends the show by saying that he was hosting Alex's show the next day, and he does end up doing that.
That ends up happening.
Okay.
Most of the show is about the Minneapolis shooting and Alex desperately trying to identify the shooter and blame it on them being trans.
I don't have any clips of this because it's kind of hard to convey through audio, but when I was watching Owen's face, it became clear to me that he was was realizing in the moment that they were doing Sandy Hook shit all over again.
Yeah.
They were doing Mauricio Garcia all over again.
Owen was hosting Alex's show and Alex was butting in to cover details that were possibly sketchy and if this goes wrong, Owen might end up getting sued again.
He's already given two depositions where he had to admit that he passed along defamatory information because he didn't vet the stuff he was allowing on his show.
So this has to feel like a potential third strike of the exact same thing.
Owen looks flustered and maybe even a little bit pissed off, but it's hard to tell exactly what's going exactly what's going on in his head.
If I were him after the second lawsuit, I would have told Alex that I'll keep working here because no one else is going to hire me, but I need you to stop creating situations where I'm totally going to get sued.
Rushing identification of shooters has been a real problem for Infowars in the past, and Alex can't resist taking this chance again, and it's for nothing.
Nobody is going to remember who went to print first with the shooter was trans story.
Which is too much Owen, and it's fucking repetitive, and, you know, there's a couple of things that are clearly like things he wants to brand himself as.
Yeah, well, unfortunately, you're gonna get a bit.
Shit.
So I was looking for pieces of like, what are the indications?
Before I listened to Owen's explanation for why he got fired or quit.
Yeah.
Before I listened to this live stream, you know, watching his show, the content seems largely like, okay, he's saying that Trump is going fascist, but he also isn't super anti fascist.
He doesn't have the shield of whatever radio licensing contracts Infowars had to use songs as bumper music, but even still, he plays the whole song..
Like, I hope he doesn't plan to try to sell ads, because if you have a copyright strike on an episode that ends up going down, you're not getting the ad revenue from whatever that episode is.
You might get sued for failure to fulfill your advertising obligation.
Like, he does, does he not realize that there's a reason that like on the InfoWars official streams that are on the radio, like, or on the internet, they don't have.
You may have noticed I've been taking a lot more time off.
Specifically, you may have noticed how on Thursday I walked off the show mid show.
About an hour into the show.
And just so you understand what happened and if you watch the info wars war room you you've seen this before so it's not like it's anything new but um you know alex was disrupting the show and he wanted me to cover something and he wanted me to get a guest on i'm in the middle of the show while it's going on as as you see so many times um and it just didn't go well i i kind of just reached my point of no return and so i just walked off the studio Now,
I will say it was a little, it's a little upsetting to me that he went on and said that I'd a family emergency.
I did not have a family emergency.
There was no family emergency.
There was no family emergency.
I didn't appreciate people reaching out to me thinking that something bad had happened, including my own parents.
It's notable that Owen is saying that Alex was trying to pop in and control the topic he was covering and telling him he had to feature a specific guest.
As soon as Alex gets into the studio, he's covering that same shooter with his super credible FBI whistleblower friend Kyle Seraphim.
The day prior, you could see and feel a discomfort in Owen as Alex was forcing his way onto the Alex Jones show to identify a mass shooter with Kyle.
And now Alex is doing that to Owen on Owen's own show.
I'm certain that this is a piece of the puzzle because Alex being annoying and disruptive is something that Owen obviously dealt with every day, but it's not every day that Alex is demanding he engage in the same behaviors that have led to humiliations in multiple depositions.
An added layer to this is that Alex is preempting Owen's show and demanding that they interview Kyle Seraphin, and that means that whatever Owen was planning to do has to go on the back burner.
That segment of the show that day was supposed to be an interview about january sixth defendants not getting enough support from Trump, and the guest was former Proud Boy leader Enrique Tario.
You can see how this is possibly an important type of interview for Owen.
A guy who tried to throw a country about how he and his friends are not being treated nicely enough by the president who they tried to do a coup for.
As Owen keeps talking, I find it a little harder to defend how he handled this.
If he quit on Thursday when he walked out, that's fine.
But he walked out in the middle of his show and then decided he wasn't coming in on Friday, telling his boss that they'd talk about it next week.
I think that Owen probably felt like he had the sway to pull off a power move like that and score himself a long Labor Day weekend, but he learned the hard way that he isn't important at InfoWars.
If he doesn't like his job, there are plenty of racist dipshits on Twitter who would love to play dress up and pretend to be on the news.
Now, I think this is actually kind of funny, especially because he's doing the stream on Labor Day.
He thought that the value of his labor was enough that his boss would let him take a mental health day and he found out that his labor is very replacementceable.
Too bad there's not a liars union.
Otherwise, maybe he could have been protected from that.
I mean, on the other hand, you know, I was thinking about it and when I got fired at the coupon place, the guy waited until I got into work and then was like, hey, you're fired, right?
And it was like, man, I wish you had called me before I took the train down here.
And I wanted to finish this week and I wanted to finish positive.
Positively at Infowars.
And I even said if if he wanted me to send a messed up satellite to go down with the ship that that I'd be willing to play some sort of a satellite role to go down with the ship and be a part of that and and continue, you know, having wearing the the name on the front of the jersey for at least some semblance while it's still ongoing, and he didn't express any interest in that.
What?
And so he told me that he didn't need me and good luck.
I think the only thing you can safely bet on here is that Alex isn't going to say nothing.
And the fact that Owen is saying that he hopes Alex will just move on seems insane.
It feels like he would only be doing that either to claim the high ground in the likely event of a fight or to signal to Alex that he's not going to spill the beans on anything.
So Alex shouldn't feel the need to reveal anything too damaging he might know about him.
But you know, kind of to give you the longer form situation, you probably noticed that I had not been hosting the war room a lot this month.
And, you know, Alex had been coming into my show and talking about how I'm negative and calling me a pessimist and all this other stuff, which is, which is fine.
You work for Alex, you're going to get hit with it a lot.
Alex is not easy to work for and that's fine.
You know, um, that's okay.
But okay, he says I'm too negative.
He says I'm a pessimist, whatever.
I'm too anti-Trump.
So I just said, all right, you know what?
I'll just take some time off.
I'll just disappear.
And if Alex thinks I'm too negative, then maybe he's right.
Maybe he's right.
Maybe I'm too negative now.
Maybe I'm too much of a pessimist now.
Maybe I'm too anti-Trump now.
Whatever, whatever his, Whatever his issue was when he kept coming in the show telling me I'm too negative, saying I'm a pessimist on his show.
I said, okay, maybe he's right.
I'll take some time off.
I'll blow off some steam.
I'll just get out of the ring for a week.
And, you know, maybe I'll come back a little more positive.
And, and, you know, maybe there was a level of reality to that.
And I think I did come back more positive.
But wait.
The same issues that I had started up immediately as soon as I came back.
The first is Alex being super annoying and hard to work for.
That's no big deal and has been the case the whole time that Owen's worked there.
It seems to me like Owen could probably handle that or else he wouldn't have lasted almost a decade, so I don't believe annoyance is a good reason for this breakdown.
The second issue is about Alex trying to sway Owen's coverage of certain topics, saying he's too negative and anti Trump.
Owen was able to gaslight himself into thinking that maybe Alex is right and it's a problem that he's having that he's too pessimistic, so he took a week off to clear his head.
He comes back and the same problem is waiting.
there for him.
The problem is that Trump sucks, and Owen gets called negative and pessimistic when he calls out the elephant in the room because Alex can't handle it.
And it's not to, it's not to say that I didn't have creative control over the Infowars war room, but I mean, imagine it's like someone staring over your back 24/7.
And so every single day that I came back, it was either a guest that I was told I had on at the last minute, or it was, you know, him coming into the studio.
He wants me to cover this, he wants me to cover that, or I have to host his show for him because he's not in., so there was just, there's nothing consistent for me.
Oh, remember when I was telling you about that Facebook lady's memoirs and how she was like, oh, this was when I knew I had to leave, but then she stayed because of course she fucking did.
Hold on to that thought because I think Owen might say literally the same thing.
So there obviously was difficulty after he came back from his sabbatical, his little hiatus to clear his head from the things that Alex had convinced him were wrong with him.
And then Wednesday.
Wednesday was the breaking point for him.
That was on Alex's show when he just felt out of control.
Something was wrong with the energy and it had to do with Kyle Serafan and Infowars identifying a mass shooter, but Owen wasn't mad that Alex was pushing him to act the same way that led to lawsuits in the past, he was mad that Owen or Alex was inserting himself in this and it's really just about micromanagement and Alex not letting Owen do the thing by himself.
It's very likely that if it wasn't for us that day, you never heard about the trans shooter, you never saw the videos, the manifesto or anything of it.
It's very likely that that's the case.
But we knew we knew we would get burned.
We've been down this road before, especially on that issue.
Just you're guaranteed you're getting burned.
You're either getting seriously or you're getting censored in the negative headlines.
So before the show is even over, there's multiple headlines printed up.
Owen Schroyer celebrates mass shooting.
Owen Schroyer celebrates dead kids.
I might get to that later on.
Whatever, it's par for the course.
So there you go.
So I got burned.
So I rode into the fire on Wednesday.
We broke the big exclusive.
I fired up and I got in the copilot seat of the Millennium Falcon with Alex Jones for one more ride, knowing I was going to get shot out of the sky, knowing I was going to get burned but hey all right it's the info war I said all right Alex You want me?
Let's go.
Let's do it.
And we did it.
And we fucking did it.
And then I get the negative headlines.
Okay, fine.
I anticipated that.
And then the next day, I have to deal with the same stuff of him breaking into the show.
He's now he's on a speaker phone and they ask, he's asked the crew to bring him in.
It's just a cluster.
It's just a cluster bomb.
So I had prepared a three-hour show.
I thought since we just did what we did the day before that I could do a three-hour show and babysitter wouldn't be looking over over my shoulder.
I was wrong.
It happened.
And I just said, I'm out.
I'm just done.
So if you don't want me to do the show, you can do it.
And I think he ended up hosting the rest of his show.
I don't even know if I wanted to get any more details with that.
He probably shouldn't give more details about this because it looks bad for everyone.
Owen could probably make some perfectly acceptable arguments for quitting, but the way he's telling this story, he sounds like a baby.
He had a problem with his boss's management style, and that boss gave him a week off to clear his head and get back in the game.
He took that time off, came back to work, and the problem was still there.
Instead of sucking it up and accepting that this wasn't working, he had an outburst and stormed out of work and demanded Friday off, expecting that he was important enough that he could get away with it.
I'm a big proponent of workers' rights, and I will side with labor over management pretty much every time.
Unless there are major pieces missing from Owen's story, it kind of sounds like he deserved to be fired.
And I don't know how anyone could expect that.
Like, I know that Alex acts that way and it might give you the feeling that I get to also.
And then don't do a five hour stream about that bad explanation because it's going to end up you're going to end up accidentally giv give more details, of course.
You're going to reveal that you kind of sound like a rightfully fired employee.
But since we're not just stripping away his business and all that, and it's allowed to exist, Owen, like, he should have quit a long time ago, and it's not his fault that he had an abusive boss.
But you have to understand, it, you know, Alex has been a big inspiration for me and he gave me my first big break in political media.
I'll always be respectful and appreciative of that.
And so that's why it meant a lot to me to do this on Infowars and to do this in a positive way and to shake his hand on the air and for him to say, Thank you, great work and for me to say, Thank you, I appreciate everything and to shake his hand and do it in front of the Infowars audience and crew and leave on a positive note but he didn't he didn't want to do that he said he didn't want to do that so so now i have to do this here tonight now i have to say too um just so people might get a better understanding you
know i feel like wednesday was kind of our last dance i feel like wednesday was kind of our last dance and if you've seen The documentary called The Last Dance about Michael Jordan and the 96 Bulls or the Bulls franchise, the dynasty, you might get a better idea of what it's like working for Alex Jones.
And you can watch and you listen to people talk about how Michael Jordan is an asshole and Michael Jordan is hard to play for and nobody wants to play with him and he's a jerk and he's got the highest expectations and all this stuff.
And it's just like, well, I like that.
I mean, that's how Alex Jones is, folks.
Alex Jones is hard to work for, he demands championships.
He demands the best.
Now, some people can deal with that, some people can't.
So there's two things in this clip that are important to hold on to for later.
The first is the idea that Owen thought of himself as a corporate man playing for the team.
This has to do with the fact that Owen still thinks of himself as a professional broadcaster who's employable by some other network that isn't batshit insane where the content is secondary to pill sales.
The second is the fact that Owen keeps talking about what's next and keeps saying that he wanted to do his last stream on Infowars and because Alex said that he couldn't come back, Owen had to do this stream.
He didn't want to do it this way, but he had to.
When someone says I didn't want to do it this way, it usually means that they're about to do some disgusting shit, throw some dirty laundry around, whatever.
They wanted to stay classy, but their hand was forced.
I had to do it.
That's not what Owen is saying here.
He's literally saying that this isn't what he planned to do, and Alex not letting him do a couple more days on air is a problem.
for plans that he had set in motion.
And he needs to do this tonight because Alex will be back on air tomorrow.
And there's a decent chance that that will disrupt whatever plans he has.
I was hoping to use the last week as a springboard on to bigger and better things where I was allowed to talk to my full audience who could also give me, but instead I'm doing this live stream for how many?
Well, but there were also., I think, people who called in said that there were 100,000 watching on Twitter, and I just don't think those numbers are real.
So this is why Owen wanted to do this on Infowars.
He wanted to announce his plan to start a new radio network to Alex's audience, and Alex wanted no part in promoting Owen's new shit.
Alex gave him a week off from his show, and then he didn't fire him on the spot when he stormed off his show, and now Owen wants to do another week so he can try to pied piper these idiots off to another platform.
Fuck that.
I think Owen's wise though to not want to do TV stuff because the overhead on that will be way too high.
I also think that he sounds kinda dumb, like he thinks he just invented podcasting with a camera pointing at you.
He thinks that his level of popularity and clout require a professional studio and a backup studio, right?
This sounds grandiose.
Owen was stressing that after his call with Alex he needed to do this stream tonight.
He didn't want to do it this way, but he had to.
I think he knows that the status of second hand banana at Infowars, that's not going to last long after he's gone, and he's quickly going to become just another guy.
Alex has known that InfoWars was going to collapse for at least a couple of years now, and he's been able to position himself where he has, like, a backup store and a second website, and all that is his parachute.
Owen thought that he was going to be able to launch his own parachute on the war room this week, but Alex said no, and this ding dong is scrambling.
For one thing, the WIN network is a trash name and the abbreviation isn't even worth it.
No.
World Independent News Network is generic as hell and it sounds like a fake TV station in a movie.
Second, WIN Network is a name that's already been taken.
There's an organization called the Wellbeing in the Nation Network that does work around issues Owen really isn't into, like racial justice and intergenerational trauma.
They've already got this name, and it's well established.
I think it would be really funny, but I also, it's not worth it, especially because if you did own it and the actual winn network was like, can you have that?
So I feel like announcing this world independent news network before you have a studio built and before you have even seemed to check out the intellectual property is really dumb.
It looks hastily thrown together and desperate, not like the exciting next step in a bright young star's career.
I think that if Owen is smart, it will be a I'm more open about my anti Semitism and how that underpins all this like right wing conspiracy ideology and worldview.
Cater to that audience, buddy up with like Fuentes and all of them.
Just take off the shackles of Infowars and all that shit.
Yeah.
Or the alternative is just create some dumb, bland shit and hopefully get some foreign money or something.
money shit going through like with Tim Poole and Dave Rubin, you know?
You know, tenant media.
Like if you could hunt down some of that money, you probably get paid more than you got at Infowars, and all they would ask you to do is probably about the same shit you would be doing?
Well, I mean, at the very least they wouldn't ask you to do all the promotion, all the IT work, all of the because you don't have the Infowars staff behind you.
The first is that if Alex isn't getting sponsors, his backwash isn't either.
Any business willing to advertise with the guy who just left InfoWars after a decade also wouldn't have a problem with advertising with InfoWars itself.
So the only people you can really hope to attract are people who would have advertised with Alex, but he was too expensive.
And I can't imagine who that is.
Because I think he's cheap.
This is ridiculous.
The second piece of bad news for this newshound is that he's part of an information war that was waged against news.
He wants to cover stories and be like the anchors of olden times, but no one in his audience wants that.
It's fucking dull and that's why they watch stu stuff like Alex, because it's exciting and it makes them feel things.
The thing that made Infowars and by extension Owen relevant in any way is the same thing that's going to guarantee that he will fail if he tries to do a serious news show.
And I think I've had quite a bit of experience for a 36 year old in media.
And, you know, I think that I think that a lot of the things I've learned along the way, I'm going to finally be able to implement and to use in my own way and in my own creative delivery, if you will.
We'll see about the time, but as a soft date, I think on Monday, October 6th, I'll officially launch the Owen Report, which will be live from 3 to 6 pm weekdays and be nothing but news.
Nothing but news.
And it's going to be way more radio style.
There won't be really network breaks, but you know, we'll have, like, I want to do planned segments, like I want to do a segment called the rant where I just rant a segment.
I want to do a segment called the roast where I roast somebody or some situation.
So it's like, I'll get a sponsor for those segments and then we'll do the r rant and it'll be brought to you by them.
And then we'll do the roast and it'll be brought to you by them.
At the top of the hour, I want to do a news break.
So I'll have somebody can five minute just headlines at the top of every hour.
So it's just a news break at the top of every hour.
I thought early on that we were in like I want a pony territory.
Where it's like, oh, well, I'm glad that kids should reach for the stars.
You know, that's what you should do.
Now we're in like, oh, we're about two days into this hypermanic episode and this person is about to spend thirty thousand dollars that they don't have.
That'll determine what we do with a subscriber base program because that's where most people are going.
towards a subscriber-based program.
So, you know, there is that, but I want to go more of a traditional radio type thing where you have sponsors on board, you have live reads, you have segments that get a sponsorship.
You know, I'll someone sponsor the phone line, someone will sponsor the studio, we have a microphone sponsor.
So the Owen Report, that's the name of the British parliamentary report from 2016 that revealed that polonium 210 was found in the body of Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian secret agent who was murdered in London.
It is, it's got to be, it's got to be maddening to watch like the luckiest man in the world get through scrape after scrape after scrape without effort.
Like, that's got to be insane.
So you just figure, like when you go to an open mic or something like that and you go, like, I can do that except for this is brain surgery.
I think I'll probably just do straight three hours by myself, no guests, and just do news every day, just do breaking news.
And for my more controversial takes, let's say, or my more conspiratorial takes, or, you know, things that might turn sponsors off, I'll do a separate show.
I'll do Owen Schroyer Live, where either we have no sponsors at all, or that's where.
kind of a subscriber-based thing will come in and you can pay for that content.
But what I'm looking to do is a three hour talk show for everyone.
A three hour talk show that you feel confident sharing with your friends and family.
A three hour talk show that you feel confident playing in your car when you're driving Uber or driving your friends around or playing in your business when you're doing business throughout the day.
The only reason Owen got to host his own show like a big boy is because he went to the pretend channel where his boss would get drunk on air and throw hatchets around while lying about murder victims in service of selling fake pills.
If it weren't for the fact that Infowars was an embarrassing cesspool, he never would have been able to compete with other applicants for the position that he ended up in.
He was only serviceable because nothing was expected.
of him.
He was another talent at a one talent business.
He could have slept through large parts of his show and it wouldn't have mattered.
And now he thinks he should be America's Anchor Man.
It is another aspect of the self-awareness to be like, I'm going to do a show that people don't come up to me and say I have to hide underneath the blankets while listening to it with headphones.
I'm wearing headphones, otherwise people will think I'm crazy.
You know, whenever I've gone through things personally or professionally in, in, in, let's say that everything that led to this decision today, I always just gave it to God.
I always just said, you know what?
God will let me know.
It's not even going to be up to me.
It was never up to me and it's not ever going to be up to me.
It'll always be up to God.
That's why Gene Hackman said, so, you know, we went through some stuff in the last couple of weeks and I always just said, okay, I'm just going to give it to God.
It's just God will let me know.
And then there were just more signs like, now's the time, just more more signs from God, like, now's the time, what are you doing?
Now's the time.
And in my stubbornness, I said, well, let me just be sure.
And so when I called Alex and I said, hey, I want to come in this week, but after that, it's done.
Let's do it on your show.
Let's make it positive and I want to shake your hand and I wanted all to be good.
These guys have such an idiotic view of the divine.
Owen is trying to say that he listens to God, but then he's describing making his own decisions repeatedly until the ability to make a decision has been taken away from him.
And now that he's not welcome to continue at InfoWars, he's trying to act like he made a choice to leave because God guided him to.
What Owen is discussing isn't stubbornness, it's non belief, it's an absence of faith.
Based on Owen's own version of the story, he didn't make a decision, Alex did.
Owen wanted to come in so he could promote his new show on the way out, and Alex said get lost.
God was telling him that it was time to make a move before this, and Owen did nothing.
until the decision was made for him, and this is being called submitting to God.
These guys are all religious frauds, and it comes out when they start trying to describe how their religious inclinations impact their lives.
They're able to recite Bible verses and yelling about hellfire is fun, but when it comes to living your beliefs, all these people reveal themselves to be charlatans when they start talking about it.
The concept of sacrifice, just simply the concept of like, even if this isn't what I want to happen or I want to occur or the results I want because of this, I do this.
But also, like, I don't think that he's taking into account how artificial and astroturfed Rush was and the popularity that he enjoyed.
A large part of it was the consolidation of media companies that were happening at the time, the way that radio stations syndicated package deals around markets and the monopoly that came out that developed in radio.
Yeah.
He couldn't Rush wouldn't have been Rush without it.
And these environments don't exist now because of social media, because of Owen's ability to do a five hour stream complaining about not being at InfoWars anymore.
Like the ascendance of those things, the fact that it's easier to do a show means that you can never be Rush.
It's really sad because When you see someone who's fully trapped inside an illusion, there's a part of you, not all of you, but there's a part of you that says, maybe they maybe they're happier, maybe they should stay in them, right?
Because to watch them, because we've all seen it, we've all seen people go from the full illusion to realizing the world, and it's not pleasant.
It's not pleasant to watch.
It's not pleasant to have happened to you.
And it's only pleasant in this situation because Owen Schroer sucks.
That's an awesome, smart sounding, dumb person quote.
The positions Owen puts forth on his show don't all spring forth from some universally applicable logic that he's applying to the world.
But if he says something pithy like this, dipshits kind of think that that's what he's doing.
Just earlier in our episode, we've heard Owen advocate for deporting immigrants to random countries that they have no connection to, and saying that tyrannical acts are fine if they can said to be lower crime rates.
Neither of these things could possibly be universally applicable, because if they were, then he can't care about gun rights, and Guantanamo Bay shouldn't have been that big of a deal.
And look, sure, the war in Iraq was costly and it killed a lot of people, but it was pretty damn effective at reducing the number of nine hundred eleven we've had since then.
It's not going to be like it's not going to be like nothing is really going to change, but it's like the musical element is going to be a very important element.
You're going to get a little bit you're going to get a little bit of an itch scratched if you like music.
And we're probably we're going to do a little more of a cultural thing with like pop culture.
Like I'm going to do movie reviews like some news.
If you're listening, if you're listening and you haven't heard a song in twenty years, you're gonna hear it and you're gonna be like, Oh my gosh, if you're listening and you're a reader and you hear a song that you've never heard and you're like, What is this amazing sound?
I'm gonna introduce you to new music.
So I do intend to make that a very big part of the show because I think you're talking about NPR or MTV in the 90s.
I thought everyone was too into commentary and not serious enough, but now we got family movie reviews and music record recommendations, like Owen just wants to be a morning DJ from the time he was a kid.
I know I've you know, we've known morning news people or morning radio people in the past, and they tell stories about waking up at three o'clock in the morning and going in to just do a meeting and then it sucks.
Yeah, it's awful.
I get why you're not doing that, but also that's the only time to do that.
Now, I don't, I don't recall the exact transaction because you have to understand, I was still new, you know, I was still the new guy on the block at the time.
And so when, when I'm told to cover a story, you know, I do it.
I'm the new guy.
And so, yeah, I did it.
I don't remember the transaction or how, you know, who brought it to me or why or who said it.
But no, I do know that, yeah, those were not stories I chose to cover.
Those were stories that were brought to me to cover.
And I, and I, you know, I tried to explain this earlier and I can now too, but maybe a little more detailed.
Like, you have to understand folks that the info war as info wars as a concept as a, as a, let's say, intellectual theory.
It it's not an empty word.
It's serious.
Alex seriously means that.
And the reason why, I mean, look, I always compare it to the Last Dance documentary because it's just true.
You know, Alex is like Michael Jordan.
And so unless you are a true believer, and unless you have the true vision, and unless you're willing to do whatever he wants you to do, you know, you're going to hate it.
You don't want to play for the Bulls.
You don't want to work for Alex Jones.
So unless you're willing to accept that mission and know, you know, at Infowars, it's okay, you're going into battle.
Now, I'm not comparing myself to anybody that's done tours, let's just be clear.
But like Wednesday, and you may have missed this, but I said this earlier.
So I'll kind of use this as an example.
On Wednesday, I don't know if you were paying attention, but we basically broke the story of the trans shooter.
We did that.
I would say with 98% confidence that if we don't do that, you probably today don't know it was a trans individual, don't know the identity, don't see the manifestos, the videos, none of it.
You probably don't have any of that without, without InfoWars.
I would say 98% true.
That's the case.
Now, we knew when we got that exclusive at about 10 o'clock orlock or nine o'clock before the show, Alex wasn't in the studio, I was, but I talked to Alex, he said we got the exclusive, and you know, I've already been through this.
There's nothing good that comes out of us covering these things.
Never, never has been, not one time.
I get burned every single time and I've been censored because of it, I've been sued because of it, there's a good chance they're going to hit me like Jones in another case just like that that I was never allowed to talk about.
I was never, I was always told never to talk about, so I'll talk about it now.
Yeah, they're trying to Jones me right now.
They could they could hit me for ten billion dollars that I don't have.
So I'm in legal defense for that.
Totally, totally illegitimate case against me.
Totally BS.
We're trying to get it dismissed.
It's not a cheap legal battle.
I'm funding it all.
And I'm funding it all by myself, by the way.
I'd have to fund the whole thing myself.
It's not fun for a story that I didn't want to cover.
Wasn't even on my show.
And I get sued for it.
But whatever.
So Wednesday comes along, it's like, all right, everyone knows we're going to get burned.
If we break this story, we're going to get burned.
And I said, fine, I'm getting in the copilot seat in the Millennium Falcon with Alex Jones again, and we're going to take down another Death Star.
And we're going to do it.
And I know I'm going to ride into the fire with Alex, and I'm going to get burned.
But all right, let's go.
one more time.
So we friggin' did it.
And what happens?
Before I'm even off air, multiple headlines Owen Schroyer celebrates mass shooting, Owen Schroyer celebrates dead kids.
Total lie, totally illegitimate.
And yes, for the people that reported that, I will be suing you too.
I'll go ahead and announce that, yeah, you're going to be sued.
Generally speaking, I ignore most instances of callers who bring up our show and are very clearly trolling Infowars folks in some way that might be inspired by our show, but I've made a decision to forget that policy for today.
One reason is this is Owen's own stream, So I don't know if I care about people bothering him.
The reason I asked people not to call into Alex's show initially was about two major points.
One, I wanted to understand what Alex's worldview was.
And if I had tons of people trolling him and baiting him into having meltdowns, it was going to be so much more difficult for me to figure out where he was coming from and what these beliefs were.
And then two, people like Alex and Owen don't operate from sincere places, so arguing with them is counterproductive.
Asking them questions and taking their answers seriously is a fool's game.
So I caution people away from thinking that they could get an actual debate going.
Both of these concerns are honestly mostly gone now.
I understand what Alex's ideology is.
I've spent years listening to him and reading the primary documents that he cites and I get it.
Calling into his show and fucking with him can't really get in the way of me learning anything anymore, so if anyone was holding back on that count, I don't think they should worry about it.
I still think that it's unproductive to engage with these folks directly, and I think that malicious trolling is just inherently unhealthy for you to engage in for your own sake.
Yeah.
But people are going to do what they're going to do.
I was spared from a ton of harsh feedback and trolls because people were being courteous to me.
And I thank them for that, but I also don't care anymore.
I also think that another element of this is that it's also like, you know, there was one person who was trolling Alex at an abortion protest.
So the reason I played this cli clip in its entirety is because it was the only way I could convey the actual reason that it's interesting.
Even if this wasn't someone calling themselves Jordan Freeson, the way Owen responded to this question is revealing of something that I don't know if he realized what he said.
Owen is talking about the coverage of this shooter as his last dance with Alex, and he's relating it to other times he's got sued for defaming people around mass shootings.
He knows that nothing good ever comes out of covering these things, and rushing out unverified information, that's got them sued in the past.
But Michael Jordan is telling him to put on his jersey, so he goes through that.
fire one more time.
In order for this to make any sense, one of two things has to be the case.
Either Owen has to think that the trans stuff about this recent shooter is possibly fake and that they were rushing out this story in order to push a narrative, or he has to think his past coverage of these kinds of cases was good, and the consequences he received from it was just the system punishing him for being too cool of an anchor.
In the past, when he's engaged in this same behavior, where he's covered stories someone has just handed him about breaking news and mass shootings, Owen has accused Neil Heslan about lying about holding his son's body misidentified multiple mass shooters.
When he's gotten heat for his coverage on these stories, it's not because no one can talk about these things, it's because he fucked up and his coverage caused damage to people.
So when he's presenting this recent shooting coverage he did as one last dance with Alex, it's hard for me to believe that he thinks he's covering news seriously now, unless he thinks that he did a good job all those times in the past.
And he can choose which one he wants, but I don't think that he can take the good side of both.
But then Alex didn't want me to come on air and promote my business, so I had to.
All I'm hearing here is a dude who feels undervalued.
Owen understands that he was taking a huge risk by being on air with Alex while he identified a mass shooter and he's pissed off that Alex wouldn't see him agreeing to do this do this as a sign that he can stand on his own two feet.
Alex still needed to micromanage him the next day and poke around in his show, and that doesn't make Owen feel like a big boy.
I feel like he could have saved a lot of time and energy if he just said, I'm hurt.
Okay, this is maybe the worst example of daddy issues I've seen through right wing media in a long time.
This is because because otherwise why the fuck are you responding to this with I knew we were going to get burned and I chose to keep doing it and I think that's good.
Well, I think that none of the stuff that none of these behaviors that he's manifesting or that that are being described, even in the, like, least generous interpretation of them, like, they're not new.
This makes total sense, but I think that Owen isn't willing to just be blunt about what he's saying.
He wanted to promote his new project to Alex's audience on Infowars, and he was willing to play nice with him if Alex would let him do the next few days of the war room to land this plane gently.
Alex said no, which left Owen with nowhere to promote his shit, and if he waited until tomorrow, Alex might have a chance to attack him on Infowars and control the narrative, so he needed to get this out immediately.
He had to do this, which might come off as a bit assholish, because Alex wouldn't let him do it the nice way, because he got fired.
Of all the things you've learned from Alex, the one lesson that would help you right now is knowing that loyalty is the wrongest move in the history of ever in this world.
In this world, you attack the shit out of Alex and then he might just give you what you want.
I remember, I remember for the first like three hundred episodes, you would have listened to hours upon hours upon hours of this, but all the time you would be like, and then Owen Schroer showed up, so I turned it off.
Like for a long time he was just doing an Alex impression and trying to be like him.
And then he kind of found his own footing, but it was in service of being like a little blander and it just he had nothing like Harrison was able to find his place as bookish dweeb nazi.
These people were able to find their niche and I think that, you know, in the same way that maybe someone is a decently funny comic but they're just doing like a tell or they're doing Hedberg.
I'm not going to say anything negative about Chase.
I have had nothing but a positive experience with Chase.
I think we've probably, we've had like two or three times where maybe we had a, let's say, just a professional issue and we addressed it and cleared it in a day.
So no, I don't think Chase is anything of that stuff.
I think Chase is a good person.
He's a great father.
He's a great husband.
I don't know his status right now, to be honest.
I don't even want to get into that.
I don't know what his status is, but no, Chase Chase actually did nothing.
thing to bring up right now when he's raw and he's so obsessed with not looking like exactly what he's going to look like if he has to respond to that question.
So at the end there, Owen says that he doesn't know Chase's status because there's been more shakeups at InfoWars.
After it came out that Owen quit, Chase tweeted, quote, I will not be hosting the war room.
I made a decision to work for Big Lee a month ago because I felt I could help Alex and InfoWars more effectively by making the store as awesome as possible.
No, I mean, it's, it's like, it's, and it's perfect because it would be something to go do where you could sell it to Alex as being like, I'm on the inside now.
But then if Alex actually needs anything, you're like, I don't work for you.
But the three hours of news coverage, if you like my news coverage, Owen report, October 6, three hours, three to six PM in my style, in my delivery, the way I want to do news.
And that's, that's how we're going to do it be doing the going out of business sales.
I'm not going to be doing the buy this product or everyone's going to die.
You know, I'm going to do a classic traditional style of a broadcast and we're going to have sponsors.
We'll do some other kind of new age stuff with subscriptions and other ways to fundraise, but I really just want to do classical stuff.
So like I want to do a segment called the rant where I just do a five-minute rant and that'll have a sponsor.
I want to do a segment called the roast where I just roast somebody or a topic that'll have a sponsor.
I'll have a microphone sponsor, a studio sponsor, a phone line sponsor, some other segments and stuff.
And so that's how we're going to do it.
So that way you don't have to be in inundated with ads all day long.
You don't have to be inundated with different live reads and sales pitches and sales techniques.
I love, I love these types of conversations because I've had this type of conversation with people in the past who want to start like their own franchise or the, you know, stuff like this.
And it's like you're saying all this stuff because you're really confident that people blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I will tell you this, the reason that you're seeing all this stuff is not because it doesn't work.
And trying to operate in this media space other ways is suboptimal.
It's absurd.
But also there's like the issue, there's so much wrong here.
But like there's a guy who's way too confident telling you this idea.
And I'm sitting here thinking like, well, logistically, this is not going to work.
No.
Like, you're not going to be able to magically make this studio and then create your own vibrant radio with four cameras, Rush, this is the new Rush, it's not going to work.
But then even like what he's describing, if executed perfectly, is not interesting.
Yep.
Like, if every piece falls into place exactly right, and he creates a show where he talks about how there's cool music from the nineties, and he does a rant that's sponsored by somebody, he does a roast, like, even if he does all these segments, it's a boring show.
So there's a theme that goes through a number of calls, and that is the question of whether or not Owen got fired because he was talking too much shit about Israel.
I would say that I took, you know, I took into account that Alex didn't like all the Israel stuff, but I still covered it, you know, as I saw it, but probably I probably like I probably didn't spend as much time on it.
Maybe I don't know.
You know, as far as the negativity about Trump thing, I always called it as it was about Trump, and that's why he was always coming into the studio and saying I was negative or a pessimist or all this other stuff.
In that very short clip, Owen said that he never censored his coverage of Israel, but also that he didn't cover it as much as he would have on his show because Alex didn't like it.
These are contradictory statements.
Further, he's saying that he never censored himself about Trump, but that because he said the things he did, Alex created a hostile work environment that was so uncomfortable that he stormed off his show and quit his job of almost ten years.
That's very obviously an attempt on Alex's part to exert censorship pressure, and I'm certain this isn't an isolated incident.
Owen probably just really didn't care that much about going along with it all the other times because InfoWars wasn't about to go out of business back then.
So when Alex, when Alex talks about, you know, oh, we're all going to die in World War 3, that's okay.
But if I come out and say something negative about Trump, I'm too pessimistic.
So yeah, okay, you know, whatever.
There were definitely, I do think, I think Alex looks at it like this.
Because at the end of the day, I am a bit of a representative of him, right?
I mean, he still signs my checks, I still work for him.
So I mean, we have a huge audience.
He knows people in DC and the White House and people are tuning in.
And so I think he gets a little afraid that I might say something that might look bad on him from people in DC that he's trying to win favor with, perhaps.
So, you know, I guess I get that and I don't want to be that guy.
If that's how I am for him, then I don't want to be that guy.
But no, that's not.
That's not what led to this.
Did he get upset that I was too negative or pessimistic?
Yes.
Did we have it out on air a couple of times in private a couple of times?
Yes.
That's not what this is about.
I mean, Alex didn't fire me guys.
This was like, you might call it a mutual parting.
So what you're saying is that I wanted to go to work, but the person who allows or disables me to go to work said, you're no longer invited to work here.
You know, I, I, I, I, I, I've always found that even if something is in inconvenient or disgusting, it's just not admitting the truth or not speaking the truth makes you anxious.
Listen to the way he's like, I mean, I wasn't censored.
I wasn't just like, you know, we all make compromises at work, buddy.
And once he left, there is only irrelevance to be found.
I think it's a teachable thing for Owen.
If he wants any relevance, he needs to be himself.
And if he wants to stay in this space, he needs to be cuck destroyer, cuck slaying, going out, rallies, fighting with people, maybe wearing a silly hat.