Today, Dan and Jordan decide there's no time like the present, so they embark on an investigation into how Alex Jones covered the tragedy at Sandy Hook. How did Alex come to the position where he would say on air that the events were staged? How long did it take him to get into those narratives? Episode one of the investigation may not answer any of the "big questions," but it certainly provides a number of clues.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yes, Jordan. | ||
| Were you into the Riot Grrrl movement of the late 90s and early 2000s? | ||
| I'm not sure if I was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe I would be as an adult, but I don't think I was as a... | ||
| I mean, the late 90s... | ||
| Did you know anybody? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I didn't have many cool friends. | ||
| I mean, I was born in, what, 84? | ||
| So it would have been like 15, 16 in the late 90s. | ||
| No, I wasn't that cool. | ||
| You weren't big into zines back then? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I was not that cool. | ||
| I think that probably would have been squarely around the time I was actually not angry about going to church. | ||
| You know, like I was trying to buy into it really hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think a lot of the zines I would have been reading were things you might find at Lemstone Books, the Christian bookstore in Columbia, Missouri. | ||
| I might be reading... | ||
| I don't think Right Girl was... | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| Gospel tracts and devotionals. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Morning devotional books and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that was more my speed at like 15, 16. That was not cool, man. | ||
| I only ask because we got a... | ||
| Very, very thought-out response to our Lyme disease comment in the group. | ||
| We were wrong about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the only reason that I even... | ||
| Also, you got called out for thinking ebony was a rock. | ||
| I still think it's a rock. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| The only way I know ebony is through... | ||
| Ivory is also not a rock. | ||
| I know ivory isn't a rock. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| But if ebony isn't a rock, then how is it that... | ||
| It's a bark. | ||
| It's kind of a tree. | ||
| Then in Elder Scrolls... | ||
| It does look a lot like a rock. | ||
| But then why would they make armor out of it in... | ||
| That is a great question. | ||
| It's also a fictional reality with cat people. | ||
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That's not the point! | |
| It is the point. | ||
| No, it's not! | ||
| Anyway, back to your point. | ||
| Oh, the only reason I even thought that Lyme disease was a thing that happened for a long time was because in the documentary The Punk Singer, Kathleen Hanna, lead singer of Bikini Kill, Le Tigre... | ||
| Riot girl extraordinaire. | ||
| She was saying that the main reason that she stopped performing was because she had Lyme disease and it was an ongoing thing. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| This actually brings me to the clarification I need to make from our last episode. | ||
| We fucked up a bunch last episode. | ||
| Not a ton, but I think we did not speak super clearly. | ||
| You fucked up a couple of factual things. | ||
| Oh man, so many. | ||
| I think I messed up. | ||
| I think I spoke maybe too unclearly. | ||
| So I just want to clarify fully that... | ||
| Any of the things that I was saying in no way should have been interpreted as I think it's a good idea to ever hit a kid. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I think I made that clear, but just in case I didn't, I want to come out full-throatedly on that side. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then secondarily, in the same way that you saw that documentary and that led you to believe that Lyme disease was a chronic thing and all that, I too think I was operating off bad information on my understanding of spanking being appropriate in some situations according to... | ||
| to the American Psychological Association. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I think I was wrong. | |
| I was misled probably by some... | ||
| We make mistakes. | ||
| And I swear to God, Ebony is a stone. | ||
| I swear to God, they make armor out of it! | ||
| In Skyrim. | ||
| In video games! | ||
| You live and you learn, and that is what this show is about, along with me also knowing a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And? | ||
| I only know what you tell me about. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Jordan, today we have a really interesting episode to do, and I'm excited to jump into it. | ||
| But before we get there, we've got to give a shout-out to some folks who make this show possible. | ||
| And I'd like to say thank you to some donors. | ||
| So, first, I'd like to say, Shay, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Shay. | ||
| Thank you very much, Shay. | ||
| Next, Lucas. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Lucas. | ||
| Thanks, Lucas. | ||
| Next, Johnny. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Johnny. | ||
| Thanks, Johnny. | ||
| Next, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation, bumped it up a little bit, and we appreciate it also very much. | ||
| So, Kim, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a globalist. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark! | ||
| Thank you, Kim. | ||
| Thank you, Kim. | ||
| And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who joined up on a little bit of an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| And this is exciting because I know that you really were thrilled when it turned out that the MacArthur Foundation... | ||
| They gave us a grant! | ||
| Yeah, they donated to the show. | ||
| We really appreciated that. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Guess who's on board now? | ||
| The Bilderberg Group. | ||
| And... | ||
| I think Alex would agree with this. | ||
| They are now technocrats. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much, Bilderberg Group. | ||
| Thanks, the Bilderberg Group. | ||
| If you would like to support the show and what we do, we would appreciate it. | ||
| You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show, and we would appreciate it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And if you are any foundations, or perhaps any of our listeners who would like to donate... | ||
| Just pretend to be one of these foundations. | ||
| I want a laundry list of things that we can lie about. | ||
| Who donates to Knowledge Fight? | ||
| The Builder Group. | ||
| The MacArthur Foundation. | ||
| A bunch of Kennedys. | ||
| I'm sure someone has donated under the fake name of the Ford Foundation. | ||
| I'm positive. | ||
| I think there's a pretty good chance. | ||
| I want them all. | ||
| SPLC? | ||
| I want them to donate to us. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| All of it. | ||
| We got the Soros' on board. | ||
| We got Soros Jr. | ||
| Everybody hide under fake names that conspiracies could be created about. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we are launching into a new era of knowledge fight. | ||
| That's putting it way too strongly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm starting a new investigation, and we are going to be covering Sandy Hook. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've decided that based on the soft launch that I suggested in our Monday episode. | ||
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Right. | |
| I decided as soon as it came out of my mouth that I was going to do it. | ||
| And the response... | ||
| Thanks for everybody's feedback. | ||
| The response in the group has been... | ||
| I have not seen this unanimous of a response since Lionel, quite frankly. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| In terms of people all being on the same page. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Everybody is very much like, yes, do it, do it, do it, do it. | ||
| So... | ||
| Sandy, Sandy, Sandy. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Nope. | ||
| No, that's bad. | ||
| You've got to keep it respectful. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| So, for a long time now, I've wanted to dig deeper into exactly what Alex Jones was up to in the aftermath of the shooting spree at Sandy Hook. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've largely avoided doing so because it seems horrifying. | ||
| You know, trying to reconcile the reality of the pain that was brought into so many people's lives with the warped reality that will inevitably be the way that Alex covers the events and uses them to push his narratives. | ||
| Ultimately, I sat with those feelings and decided that this was something that I had to do. | ||
| We know that Alex told his audience that Sandy Hook was a fake event with actors as recently as late 2015, and that he'd been... | ||
| We've been saying stuff like that for a while, but we don't know a ton more than that. | ||
| For me, that is unsatisfying. | ||
| I know that he's lying about how he covered the tragedy, but I believe that it's in everyone's best interest for us to learn more so we can have a fuller understanding of why Alex is lying to cover up his past actions. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Today, we're embarking on a new investigation to figure out exactly what Alex Jones did in his coverage of Sandy Hook. | |
| There will obviously be parts of this that are going to be difficult to hear, but I promise you that we will do our best to be respectful to everyone who merits that consideration, who is everyone except Alex Jones pretty much in this circumstance. | ||
| You know, it's fun, but this is the first time that I can honestly say that Alex Jones is a bad dude, but he is quite literally not a bad enough dude to save the president. | ||
| No. | ||
| He is not. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| In present day, Alex is being sued by the families of the children who died at Sandy Hook on December 14, 2012. | ||
| He claims that he never said that Sandy Hook was fake and that he just had debates and looked at both sides of the issue. | ||
| We know that this is categorically not true and we've demonstrated it plenty of times. | ||
| So that claim isn't worth our time as an investigation target. | ||
| Right, we've already done that. | ||
| So he's also claimed that after he heard about the shootings that he thought it really happened and only started questioning if it was a false flag after hearing about quote-unquote anomalies, like the classic case of Anderson Cooper's nose disappearing. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| He did a green screen interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And that Alex heard about these anomalies from people like Wolfgang Helbig. | |
| So, at this point, we don't really know if that claim is true. | ||
| So that's one thing we can look into. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Did Alex get swayed? | |
| Beyond that, as unspecific as this is, I want to simply observe how the narrative develops and becomes his editorial position. | ||
| At a time that he was pretty much so far under the radar that he could get away with whatever slander he wanted, how did Alex play his hand? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We will find out as we go along. | ||
| We will see! | ||
| And I promise that I will approach this with as open a mind as I can, as is our tradition. | ||
| Now, it's very weird. | ||
| I wrote out that introduction to this just because I wanted to be a little bit clearer than necessarily just us talking would be in terms of like what... | ||
| Where we're going, why I decided to jump into this, because it could get ugly. | ||
| It could get really ugly. | ||
| Well, that's one thing that I was considering, because I, too, saw the overwhelming positive do it, do it response regarding Sandy. | ||
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Do it! | |
| Do it! | ||
| Is just, like, I deal with humor by, or I deal with tragedy through humor entirely. | ||
| And I am, like, I really do not want to be disrespectful in any way. | ||
| And it concerns me that I'm going to... | ||
| I think that we're decent enough people that we intrinsically know the line of that sort of stuff. | ||
| And if you pass it, I'll call you out. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| But also, I should say for this first episode that we're doing, episode one of this investigation is going to just cover December 14th, 2012, which is the day of the shooting. | ||
| And I'll say that as... | ||
| As soft of a caveat as this is, this could have been way worse. | ||
| I don't think that the idea of us going over Alex Jones' response to Sandy Hook obviously brings up images in people's heads of something that's horrifying to listen to. | ||
| And like, oh my god. | ||
| And I think we'll get to some of that stuff. | ||
| But for today, it's pretty soft going. | ||
| So don't turn this off thinking you're going to be horrified today. | ||
| Maybe next week. | ||
| We're starting from a slightly lower than neutral position, I suppose. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, here we are. | ||
| We're going to start things off. | ||
| And we will just jump in. | ||
| This is how Alex begins the show on December 14th, 2012. | ||
| I did it! | ||
| He did not confess on air. | ||
| No, he did not. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us the 14th day. | ||
| Of December 2012. | ||
| And there is a reported school shooting in Connecticut, one of the states that has draconian restrictions on gun ownership. | ||
| Reportedly, right now, it looks like only the gunman is dead. | ||
| But the media will hype the living daylights out of this. | ||
| So anytime somebody goes crazy, the first thing pops in their head is go to a victim disarmament zone, a free fire zone where it's guaranteed no one is armed. | ||
| So, within seconds, he went to gun talk. | ||
| Yeah, we're... | ||
| Within seconds of starting his show. | ||
| We're off to a bad start. | ||
| So, the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, began at 9.35 a.m. and was over when Adam Lanza shot himself at approximately 9.40 a.m. | ||
| Those are Eastern times, so it would actually be 8.35 to 8.40 a.m. in Alex's time, and it's important to consider that he doesn't start his show until 11 a.m. or noon Eastern time. | ||
| All this is to say that there were over two hours from the end of the shootings to when Alex got on air. | ||
| I know that it was a developing story, but there's no reason for him to be so unaware of the situation at this point in the day if he's presenting it as if he has an opinion on it. | ||
| If he wants to say that there's breaking news and we will cover it as details come in, that's kind of a fairly responsible way to deal with these sorts of things. | ||
| The idea of leading the show with it... | ||
| When you don't really have any information is not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| That is a not good thing to do. | ||
| But you saw exactly right there, and I think it's a terrible way to start, that it's just immediately into gun defense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But also probably shouldn't surprise anybody. | ||
| He will later complain about liberals tweeting about gun reform so quick after the shootings when an hour earlier in his show he did the exact same thing. | ||
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It is absolutely expected. | |
| But it is nevertheless disconcerting that his first response is not, I'm thinking about children. | ||
| I'm thinking about the dead. | ||
| His first response is, I'm thinking about guns. | ||
| See, but that's unfair right now. | ||
| Because, as you heard there, the information that Alex is operating off of, now whether he should have had better information or not is another question. | ||
| But the information he's operating off of is just the gunman is down. | ||
| He doesn't know. | ||
| That all these kids got killed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He is operating... | ||
| And I don't believe that this is the first time that the information came out, but on that day at 1.40 Eastern time, the police gave a press conference where they confirmed a lot of details and stuff like that, which is in the middle of Alex's show, but... | ||
| I think that, as I recall, reporting was coming out that he maybe should have been aware that this wasn't a situation where just a gunman was down and no other fatalities. | ||
| But that is the story as he's presenting at the beginning of the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's kind of fair to look at it and be like, okay, if you think that that's the story, I understand why you can then... | ||
| Do a regular show. | ||
| Giving him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| He thinks the story is a kid showed up to school, maybe fired shots into the walls and then killed himself. | ||
| Or a security officer shot him before he was able to kill anybody or something like that. | ||
| It's possible we'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. | ||
| I have to, if only because that's how he's presenting the story. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm cool with that. | ||
| So he gets to the big news of the day because he doesn't think that this is that big of a deal yet. | ||
| Well, but even then... | ||
| Man, a kid shot himself in the head! | ||
| That's a big deal! | ||
| It's a big deal, but for Alex's purposes, it's not as big a deal as Jim Tucker told him something. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| Also, obviously, the big news, and Kurt Nemo has a story from our source, Jim Tucker, up at Infowars.com. | ||
| Trilateralists discuss big war in the Middle East as Obama sends soldiers to Turkey. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Jim Tucker, the guy who writes for the Spotlight and American Free Press, run by Willis Carter, the Nazi. | ||
| The Nazi. | ||
| Jim Tucker, the Nazi. | ||
| Has told him that Obama is going to move troops into Turkey and start a war with Turkey. | ||
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That doesn't sound right. | |
| It has something to do with Benghazi. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure what Alex's entire angle on. | ||
| It has something to do with Benghazi? | ||
| Well, Benghazi had happened a couple months before this. | ||
| So, like, there's some lingering stuff with that in Jim Tucker's story. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Okay, I got you. | ||
| Like, Alex doesn't really get a chance to flesh out that story. | ||
| I don't really know what he was talking about. | ||
| And I'm not going to look for Jim Tucker's primary reporter. | ||
| Oh, you don't want to know what Jim Tucker had to say? | ||
| Not entirely. | ||
| I bet it was accurate. | ||
| So Alex is teasing that he's going to get to this Jim Tucker story about Obama going into Turkey and what have you. | ||
| But he also starts getting kind of weird at the beginning of this show. | ||
| He gets very introspective and starts talking about how he's starting to experience new emotions. | ||
| There are competing forces, is the best way to say it. | ||
| There are competing forces in this world. | ||
| And I will say that I have taken the red pill to quite an extent. | ||
| You know, you think you are enlightened, you think you're informed, and then you just learn even more, and the rabbit hole goes that much deeper. | ||
| And it is extremely sobering, and also extremely... | ||
| Painful isn't even the word. | ||
| I am now experiencing thought processes and understandings that are giving me emotions that I've never felt before. | ||
| This is strictly in the context of him saying that I'm aware of so much. | ||
| It's not service of anything real. | ||
| It's just talking about... | ||
| It's almost like you think you're red-pilled. | ||
| I have new emotions. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what that means. | ||
| Which new emotions? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But he does start to describe what it feels like. | ||
| I felt malaise. | ||
| That's not new. | ||
| I feel that a lot. | ||
| For him, it might be new. | ||
| Aren't we? | ||
| I felt an esprit de corps. | ||
| He hates the French. | ||
| Never say that. | ||
| So he doesn't actually talk about what these new emotions are, necessarily. | ||
| But he does talk about how it feels, which I find very interesting. | ||
| This is upsetting on some levels, but I also don't really believe him. | ||
| I think this is just grandiose talk, but it's still not fun to hear. | ||
| The closest this feeling that is more and more dominating me, the closest I can describe it, is for the few times I've been really hurt bad. | ||
| Out in the middle of nowhere and a limb is broken or a finger's chopped off or you're helping friends that are mangled is that cold, focused understanding of we've got to do something about this. | ||
| We've got to just hold it together and stay focused and there's going to be light at the end of the tunnel. | ||
| So, I find it incredibly interesting to hear Alex describe how he's feeling in late 2012, because what he's describing is not some heightened level of focus. | ||
| That legitimately sounds like a medical condition. | ||
| Now, obviously he's just exaggerating to make himself sound like he's tapped into some kind of cosmic understanding, but for fun, I'm going to pretend he's actually talking to a doctor about what he's experiencing, and I'm going to play a differential game and diagnose him. | ||
| I was thinking that he was talking about him being Joby in Sometimes a Great Notion and slowly drowning to death as he laughs. | ||
| There's similarities. | ||
| So what Alex is clearly expressing is an adrenal condition. | ||
| He says the best way to describe what he's feeling is this thing that he says is dominating him is to compare it to times he's been very hurt or times he's seen someone else mangled. | ||
| In those situations, your body is flooded with adrenaline, which is part of the fight-or-flight reaction that you have. | ||
| Everything he's describing perfectly fits with talking about adrenaline, and it would make sense that what he's actually talking about is having a condition where his body is unable to control its production and release of adrenaline. | ||
| So, if that were the case, what symptoms would you expect to see? | ||
| One possible cause of elevated adrenaline levels is the adrenal gland condition Cushing syndrome. | ||
| Along with excess adrenaline, what else would you expect to see with someone at that condition? | ||
| If it was Peter Cushing syndrome, then I would expect him to be trying to destroy... | ||
| Different syndrome. | ||
| Different syndrome. | ||
| So let me read you a list of symptoms from Johns Hopkins Medical School's Cushing Syndrome profile. | ||
| See if you think any of this sounds like Alex. | ||
| Upper body obesity. | ||
| Round face. | ||
| High blood pressure. | ||
| Irritability. | ||
| Anxiety. | ||
| Reduced libido and sex drive in men. | ||
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Why do you think he starts selling all those products? | |
| The desire to destroy Alderaan. | ||
| Increased fat around neck. | ||
| He constantly talks about how huge his neck is. | ||
| This can't be real! | ||
| This can't be real! | ||
| That's one of the symptoms of Cushing syndrome. | ||
| So he just has a laundry list of... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Obviously, I don't think Alex has Cushing syndrome. | ||
| I'm just doing this to play games with his words. | ||
| He wants to talk about how his elevated state of red-pilledness, he's achieved this, and it grants him some vague status. | ||
| That is not clearly defined, but it's definitely above his audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the way he's trying to use his language. | ||
| But in reality, it's just as easy to take what he's describing and say that he needs to go to the fucking doctor. | ||
| I don't believe any of the things that I just said are appropriate or anything like that. | ||
| Fair, fair. | ||
| I'm just having fun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I do think you still should go get a hormone panel just in case. | ||
| Yeah, Alex, talk to your doctor about Cushing syndrome. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| You should go get checked out. | ||
| I'm sure he has, quite frankly. | ||
| So, anyway, all that aside, we also know that Alex has trouble with reading. | ||
| Is that also part of coaching syndrome? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Although, I mean, if you had heightened adrenaline levels and you had, like, this panic response all the time, it'd be very hard to read something. | ||
| Yeah, it would be hard to focus on something. | ||
| Reading is a very patience-based activity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that could explain some of it. | ||
| Let's leave that aside. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to hulk out and read a book. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But Alex, in this next clip, starts talking about how he reads things. | ||
| And I think if you listen carefully, you'll get a glimpse of exactly why he has a bad process. | ||
| I look at the general public now, and they're like children. | ||
| Little, spoiled, arrogant, but really scared children. | ||
| Saints are everywhere else! | ||
| Once you figure out globalist manipulations... | ||
| I can read a book put out by The Globalist to promote something they're doing, and before I turn the page, I know what it's going to say, because I've heard them say it a thousand times a hundred different ways. | ||
| And you're like, oh, I'm going to turn the page, and I know exactly what they're going to say. | ||
| And then I'm going to turn the next page, and I know... | ||
| Not the plot. | ||
| That's easy to guess. | ||
| I know what they're going to impart. | ||
| Alex is writing while he's reading, basically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's reading stuff, and he's like, I bet I know what they're going to say. | ||
| He turns the page. | ||
| If it says what he thinks they're going to say, then he confirms, ah, I know exactly what they're going to say. | ||
| If it says something different, he's probably going to be like, well, what they mean is what I was thinking. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| As we've seen so many times by looking at his primary sources that don't say what he pretends they say. | ||
| That has to be what that process he's describing is. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| I self-confirm with things exactly what I expect them to say, and then I use it as evidence that I'm right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if I'm wrong, I use that as evidence that I'm right. | ||
| If I turn the page and it doesn't say what I think it says, well, I think it says this, so it probably does. | ||
| I'll say that it always doesn't say what he thinks it says. | ||
| From my experience. | ||
| I'm willing to bet that there is one example somewhere of something that Alex, like some primary source that he's not misusing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm certain it's there. | ||
| But I don't think I found one. | ||
| I wish he was in a book club, because I would sit... | ||
| Like, if he was just reading... | ||
| A Thousand Years of Solitude? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| If he was just reading one of those books and discussing it in this round table at a fucking library, God, that would be amazing. | ||
| What do you even think it says? | ||
| It just takes me back to, like, workshops and college and English classes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| If he was in there, it would be brutal. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| I had some poetry. | ||
| Ooh, not good. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| So... | ||
| Like I said, Alex still thinks that this is no big deal, Sandy Hook. | ||
| He has no real concern in talking about it. | ||
| He just wants to talk about how he has new emotions and that, you know, we got Jim Tucker with his news and what have you. | ||
| At this point in the show, Alex finds out that Sandy Hook is way worse than he thought. | ||
| So at the beginning of the episode, like I said, we can give him the benefit of the doubt that he thinks it was a foiled shooting or something like that. | ||
| So we can give him a pass on not knowing a lot of the details. | ||
| But by this point, in this next clip, Alex knows for a fact that children were killed at that school. | ||
| And here is him dealing with that news. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| By the way, we got some bad news. | ||
| They were first reporting that they'd shot the shooter. | ||
| And now it looks like at least one child killed and some others wounded. | ||
| And the shooter is the father of the student. | ||
| You know, I like Christmas trees and I like Christmas, but I don't like the big commercial stress and everybody's so stressed out. | ||
| I can just feel the bad vibes during the holidays. | ||
| 27 dead. | ||
| Okay, this is... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And you notice at CBS News, you notice they kept this quiet for a long time with it cordoned off, always a bad sign like Columbine. | ||
| If that CBS News headline is right, you notice this is happening right as the second term comes in, and Obama has said even if Congress doesn't act, he's going to physically try to take all handguns and rifles. | ||
| And they're saying that this is handguns. | ||
| Holy Toledo. | ||
| So, you hear there, he immediately starts... | ||
| Day one! | ||
| Day one! | ||
| I mean, he's not saying it's fake, but literally everything he says after learning about the reality of this tragedy is to reinforce future narratives that he's going to push about it being fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| When I set out to do this investigation... | ||
| Investigation closed. | ||
| I legitimately thought it would take us more than 35 minutes to find him implying that Santiago was fake. | ||
| It was really fast. | ||
| Well, because at the beginning, the first clip, you could go on that, but you have to give him the... | ||
| The benefit of the doubt that he thought it was a different situation than it was. | ||
| Now that the reality has come to bear and he realizes there are a bunch of kids that got shot in this. | ||
| He still doesn't have any of the real facts. | ||
| He thinks it was the dad and it was one student at first and then a second later he's like, oh my god, it's a lot more kids. | ||
| But all that is, all that is, him comparing it to Columbine because he thinks Columbine was a false flag. | ||
| And then talking about the timing of this Obama's second term and he's trying to take the guns. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All that does is serve his interest in pushing the idea that it's fake. | ||
| This isn't a fair way to cover the news. | ||
| It is not the act of somebody who is interested in hearing both sides. | ||
| It's someone who's hoping, praying that the reality ends up matching the story he wants to tell. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you can see that wasn't prepared. | ||
| That was his immediate instinctual reaction, was to try and find ways to talk about this that are conspiratorial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't come out and say, Sandy Hook is a false flag. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| But he was 85% inclined to say that. | ||
| There were every inclination, every little thing there is just like, oh, CBS took too long to report it. | ||
| That's a bad sign. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, do you mean report things responsibly in concert with the cops instead of just randomly saying that it was some asshole getting a whole large amount of people to go fucking grab torches and pitchforks towards the wrong? | |
| No, they waited until they could report responsibly. | ||
| Unlike you, you fucking moron. | ||
| And as we'll see as this episode goes on and more unverified news things come out, those are the sorts of things as they come out that Alex uses to point out... | ||
| Like, they covered this up later. | ||
| Like, the idea that there was talk of a possibility of a second shooter. | ||
| That comes out later as Alex is on air. | ||
| And that will be something that, in the future, he uses as, like... | ||
| They said that there were two shooters and then they covered it up, when in reality that was just reflecting the fact that there was a police, like a walkie-talkie communication or whatever, telling people to be cautious of the idea that there could be two shooters and the fact that someone was arrested in the woods behind the school who was unrelated to the shootings. | ||
| It was just coincidental, but yeah. | ||
| And so there are those things that get misreported in the fog of... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And so the idea that CBS didn't necessarily report this stuff until a couple hours after, it's responsible reporting. | ||
| Well, we see that CBS didn't speculate wildly for a good two hours, so that's a bad sign. | ||
| It's probably a false flag. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about how he's had a premonition that something is coming. | ||
| And he has for a while. | ||
| I was going to say, do you mean the Summer of Rage literally every year since he's been born? | ||
| Or anything he talks about, quite frankly. | ||
| You know, I told my wife this morning, I said, I'm feeling so much dread. | ||
| I said, I have never felt in my gut, in my spirit. | ||
| Will you put that back on screen, please? | ||
| I want to read that to people. | ||
| Man, they are really going to use this. | ||
| And I'm sure there'll be the usual signs. | ||
| It may be staged. | ||
| If not, it's been copycat promoted by the media and then the guy will be on Prozac or one of those derivatives. | ||
| So he's very quick to offer up it may be staged as one of his possible roads that we're going to be going down. | ||
| It's quick. | ||
| It's quick with no information to just be like, hey! | ||
| This could be staged, and even if it's not, it's probably some Prozac head who got copycatted into it or something. | ||
| I know you... | ||
| Okay, so you've cut clips, and I just need to confirm, at no point did he even take a second to be like... | ||
| I mean, even the fake Republican thoughts and prayers. | ||
| Did it even bother with the bullshit platitudes that these guys who secretly think the same thing that Alex is thinking, which is... | ||
| Oh no, they're going to try and take guns away. | ||
| We better say thoughts and prayers in order to avoid it. | ||
| That's an interesting question and I wish that I had pulled more clips of stuff like that because I didn't. | ||
| We ended up having, we got 34 clips here of stuff that's important to talk about. | ||
| And no, there's no real moment where he shows genuine care for the people who were the victims of this outside of crocodile tears. | ||
| Like, on the verge of his fake crying voice. | ||
| But it's always talking about how they're going to take the guns and this is going to cause a civil war. | ||
| He does talk about, oh, this is so bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In unspecific ways. | ||
| And then there's one point in the episode where he talks about thinking about these kids and he's seen, like, pictures from the school from, like, a month ago or something like that someone posted. | ||
| And the only way he can even emotionally connect to it is thinking about his own daughter. | ||
| So if that's what it takes you to get there, fine. | ||
| But there is a complete absence of, except from people who aren't named Alex on this show, there's a guest that comes up and at least one caller who expressed, like, I can't imagine what these people are going through, that sort of thing. | ||
| But from Alex, there's very, very little of that. | ||
| There is another thing, but we'll get to it later, that I don't have clips of. | ||
| I expected that. | ||
| I just wanted it confirmed so nobody thought that it was like, oh, we're only cutting the clips that make him look like the complete and utter monster he is. | ||
| And that it was like, it's literally his first response is never... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Or I hope that this isn't... | ||
| That clip isn't edited in any way except for a start and end point. | ||
| That one where he learns of what the tragedy is. | ||
| You saw what his immediate reaction was. | ||
| So I think that pretty accurately describes how most of the show is. | ||
| I think that immediate reaction tells you almost everything you need to know. | ||
| There are semblances of humanity throughout, but never anything that I would put in the category of a human response. | ||
| There's nothing that is like recognition of these are elementary students who were murdered in cold blood and their parents are dealing with it. | ||
| And that's not to say that he's not addressing that because he thinks it's fake or anything like that. | ||
| We can't make that determination yet. | ||
| It's just that that's not part of his algebra on it. | ||
| It's not part of the equation. | ||
| One of his new emotions should really have been empathy. | ||
| That would have been great. | ||
| Forgot about the new emotions. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| One of the emotions he'll never feel is empathy. | ||
| He needs to watch Inside Out. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Check in on some of those old emotions. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| It's real tough. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| If only he had Louis Black screaming in his ear. | ||
| So, after the Parkland shooting last year, one of the things that the right wing bandied about was, these teachers should be armed. | ||
| And interesting, Alex was way ahead of the curve on that after Sandy Hook. | ||
| That was his prescription into what should have happened. | ||
| It was an orderly evacuation given the circumstances. | ||
| Why didn't somebody have a gun in the school? | ||
| Why don't they arm the teachers? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The gunmen always go to the victim disarmament zone. | ||
| They're going to come after our guns, folks. | ||
| Get ready. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| That, I think, is exactly what Alex would want. | ||
| Because that is, as awful as it is, that's something I think he could be defensible about. | ||
| Because everyone else in the right wing now, in response to Parkland, is saying very similar things. | ||
| And if Alex's take on it was, this is a real event, I'm worried about the idea that they'll take my guns because of it. | ||
| That's not as monstrous as saying it didn't happen or his actors are staged or anything like that. | ||
| So I think that he would want that to be just it. | ||
| And unfortunately, even on this episode, it's not. | ||
| You've already heard him speculate that it's staged. | ||
| You've already heard him introduce kernels of a narrative that he's going to water his seeds to grow into a... | ||
| An ebony tree. | ||
| God damn you. | ||
| I feel so stupid. | ||
| I can't imagine how that one massive blind spot. | ||
| I mean, it's entirely video games. | ||
| It's entirely video games. | ||
| Ebony is always an important thing for armor and shit. | ||
| You don't need to keep defending yourself. | ||
| I'm so stupid. | ||
| I think a lot of people probably thought it was a rock as well. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex is sort of wrestling with the reality of what's happened. | ||
| And you can see... | ||
| I think throughout this that there is a part of his brain that recognizes how horrible what's happening is, and then another part that really, really wants to say it's fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in this next clip, he's dealing with that part of his brain that believes it was real, but unfortunately, all he can do with that part of his brain is blame other things for having caused this. | ||
| They are now saying 27 dead, and... | ||
| Including 14 children at the elementary school. | ||
| I know Connecticut has some pretty strict gun laws. | ||
| We are just a very sick society. | ||
| We've aborted 53 million babies now. | ||
| I'm always using the 50 million number. | ||
| It's grown. | ||
| And we make troops serve 5, 6, 7 tours until they break down. | ||
| So many people now are on Prozac-type drugs that they admit in their own trials caused a... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| In the Eli Lilly trials in 1980, a 15-fold increase in suicide. | ||
| That's way higher than they found, but that's much more complicated. | ||
| We don't have time to get into those Eli Lilly studies today. | ||
| He's misrepresenting that shit pretty hard. | ||
| But you heard in there, you got abortion, the way we treat the troops, Prozac, harsh gun laws in Connecticut. | ||
| Four culprits other than reality in, what was that, 40 seconds of him trying to wrestle with this. | ||
| It's pretty interesting, because you can see manipulation, you can see evasiveness, you can see all of it happening as he tries to figure out where are we going to land on this. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Because it's hard. | ||
| If you're Alex Jones, this is not the day you want to come into work for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're wishing David Knight was hosting that day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You wish you accidentally had called in sick or something like that, because figuring out where to plant your flag is... | ||
| Something that's always expected of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's the expert. | ||
| He's the guy who knows how the globalists work and all that stuff. | ||
| So later in the show, he's going to take calls and you're going to hear people be like, come on, Alex, what is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that sort of thing. | ||
| And that's the expectation that he's built for himself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| With the earlier clip when he was talking about... | ||
| Tomorrow's news today. | ||
| Well, he didn't have that slogan yet. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| But, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that idea. | ||
| Earlier in the show, he was talking about how he's mega red-pilled and he has understandings above all this stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And his listeners internalize that, so they expect that from him. | ||
| So when he comes into the studio and he's blindsided by a bit of news that is like, oh, Jesus Christ, he's in a position where he needs to stake a claim. | ||
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Right. | |
| And you can hear already him trying to ambivalently do the fake false flag stuff. | ||
| But then also kind of being unwilling to fully commit. | ||
| And I think that that is the part of his brain that he really should have run with, that part that was unwilling to commit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's fascinating because if, like, dealing with 2012 Alex, I'm far more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in this situation. | ||
| Like, meaning, let me, actually, let me try and put this a lot better. | ||
| Based on his tone of voice and the way that he's trying to talk through this, it seems to me like he does feel like, oh no, this is a tragedy. | ||
| This is a real tragedy. | ||
| And that part is trying to break out because his persona has to say that it's not real. | ||
| His persona has to deny it. | ||
| But his real human being is trying to break out and be like... | ||
| Guys, this is an issue. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| I can't. | ||
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This is sad. | |
| But the issue can't be taking our guns. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Even in that human element of him, I can see that still existing there. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Yeah, I think there's something to that. | ||
| In 2012, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying that in this situation, he is 100% lying. | ||
| He knows this is real. | ||
| And he is trying to scramble to find a way out of it. | ||
| I think that because his response is so much less offensive than we would expect, you're right. | ||
| I think that because there is this waffling back and forth a little bit... | ||
| But you can see clear indications that he wants to say it's fake. | ||
| I think that that is a strong indication that he's making a choice. | ||
| There is a choice that's going on and the two sides of himself are at war to a certain extent. | ||
| If it happened now, I'd just say he was covering his ass. | ||
| Or just on autopilot. | ||
| Or just whatever. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| And he's not screaming about it. | ||
| But yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| I think you have a really good point that I wasn't... | ||
| I wasn't specifically wrestling with. | ||
| The idea that it does sort of indicate choice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And intentional lying. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's hard to nail down. | ||
| I think your argument is strong. | ||
| I'm not 100% on board with it, just because... | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| I'm saying I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in 2012 that I would not give him later on. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| No, but the benefit of the doubt is actually a soft damning. | ||
| Because the benefit of the doubt is that he's intentionally... | ||
| No, no, no, absolutely. | ||
| The benefit of the doubt is to his abilities. | ||
| You're correct. | ||
| You're absolutely correct. | ||
| Even though I am a human being in 2012 who has emotions and who can absolutely empathize with the fact that these people lost their children, I have to, for my job, pretend they're nothing. | ||
| You're framing it as the benefit of the doubt, but it's actually... | ||
| It's the worst thing that a human being could do. | ||
| So, at this point... | ||
| I mean, in the episode, Alex has, you know, sort of soft blamed some other things. | ||
| He's said, hey, you know, it could be fake. | ||
| Obama's second term just started. | ||
| He wants to take your gun. | ||
| Seems like really good timing. | ||
| But then he said this, and I was like, well, all right, Alex, maybe you're okay. | ||
| And this could be real with all the, you know, the culture of death and people being in on it. | ||
| So that was like, oh, he said maybe it's real. | ||
| Clip turns bad. | ||
| Hammer. | ||
| If we start seeing telltale signs of it being staged, we'll let you know. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That is not good. | ||
| That's not a good way to report things. | ||
| Hey, this thing happened. | ||
| Maybe it's real. | ||
| But if we have these indications that are parts of the propaganda that we've used about other events, if some of those things line up, we'll let you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stay tuned. | ||
| Hey, guys. | ||
| You... | ||
| Listen. | ||
| You know and I know we're about to say this is fake. | ||
| We can't do it right now. | ||
| It's too hot. | ||
| It's almost teasing it. | ||
| Yeah, it absolutely is. | ||
| Stay tuned tomorrow for me to say it's fake. | ||
| Yeah, next time on the Alex Jones show, he's going to call it fake. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It feels that way pretty strongly. | ||
| Now, no matter what his position is, because I think it does develop and even change throughout the course of this one day of his show. | ||
| But nothing changes about the idea that he's saying, if it's real, they're going to use it to take our guns. | ||
| If it's fake, they're going to use it to take our guns. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No matter what, the conclusion is exactly the same. | ||
| Guns. | ||
| And so you hear that expressed here in this next clip. | ||
| Theodore Krasinski, the Unabomber, was part of MKUltra. | ||
| You've got to call him Theodore. | ||
| That's the LA Times. | ||
| So see, once you've seen this a few dozen times, over and over again, and you notice the timing of it all. | ||
| And the fact that the gun culture is the one area we're beating them. | ||
| And if we beat them in any area, they fail. | ||
| Despite all their propaganda, people know the government wants our guns to enslave us. | ||
| And people now want guns because of the crazies and the violent people that are out there. | ||
| Because you know you're good and you have a right to protect yourself. | ||
| But Obama has signaled that he may use executive orders, as he's done in other areas outside of Congress, to physically ban handguns and rifles that are semi-auto. | ||
| And that will start a civil war. | ||
| Not everybody's going to turn them in. | ||
| And I've had a feeling of dread. | ||
| Before the shooting even started, I talked to my wife this morning, and I said, I was staying at the start of the show, but this had already begun. | ||
| We thought only the government was dead then. | ||
| But I... | ||
| I'm always honest with you. | ||
| I never tell the crew this every once in a while. | ||
| The day before they had the fake bin Laden raid, I said, I have a really bad feeling of dread. | ||
| So, that... | ||
| It'd be terrible if a president acted outside of Congress, Sam. | ||
| Yeah, Alex would hate that. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be awful. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I mean, when you were yelling over the beginning slash middle of that clip, that he really just wants to say... | ||
| I want to say it's fake. | ||
| That is what you get there. | ||
| He's comparing it to Ted Kaczynski, which he is claiming is all MKUltra. | ||
| They created him to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| All that is, is him saying it's fake without saying it's fake. | ||
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| And also him saying that he's a psychic. | ||
| Yeah, that is true. | ||
| He does give himself a lot of that. | ||
| I had these premonitions, these feelings. | ||
| I was just dread. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| So, at this point in the show, Alex goes to calls. | ||
| And I think that there's a couple important things to consider here. | ||
| One, the callers that you hear on Alex's show cannot be taken in any other way than as being the people he has trained. | ||
| In as much as they listen to his show, and back in the day, they would never say, hey, Alex, before I start my question, I want to pimp your products or whatever. | ||
| But nowadays, they do, because they have had the reinforcement mechanism of, I will take your call if you promote my product to begin with or whatever. | ||
| People learn, Pavlovian kind of responses. | ||
| Everyone who calls in his show, they're all his fans. | ||
| Even the people who he says, I take calls that disagree with me, they're usually about style over substance. | ||
| There's never a real actual disagreement. | ||
| Hey, Alex, why don't you publicly hate the Jews? | ||
| There are a couple times that he has accidentally taken those calls, and they don't go great. | ||
| They don't go great? | ||
| Those people are still reflecting the training that Alex has given them by the rhetoric that he puts out into the world. | ||
| So now that we're going to see this caller, and he's going to ask Alex, was it fake? | ||
| And the reason that it's important to remember that these are basically Alex's students who are calling in is because Alex has created this worldview in the post-9-11 world. | ||
| Where, like, I know he wasn't the only person saying it was a false flag, but he was one of the loudest mouthpieces who was, and who consistently does call things fake that aren't fake. | ||
| So, the people who are calling in are ahead of Alex. | ||
| In terms of the narrative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They know that Alex is... | ||
| It's only a matter of time before we call this game. | ||
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Right, right, right, right, right. | |
| So let's cut to the chase. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex, is it fake? | ||
| You have trained us to believe everything like this is fake. | ||
| You've already said a bunch of times on this show, it's about trying to take our guns. | ||
| So let's cut through the BS. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex's answer is super interesting because it's, again, like that last clip, what you pointed out... | ||
| I want to say yes so badly. | ||
| I want to say this is fake so badly. | ||
| Let's quit holding hands, Alex, and let's start fucking. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| He doesn't say that it's fake in response, but you can hear the yes under the skin of his mouth. | ||
| The little mouth inside his mouth. | ||
| The alien mouth. | ||
| The alien mouth is coming out. | ||
| The xenomorph mouth. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let's go ahead and talk to John in Connecticut. | ||
| He's got some information. | ||
| John, what do you have for us, sir? | ||
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I've just been following online, and what I was going to bring up was something you already addressed, and that was, you know, the possibility of being a staged act. | |
| And with James Holmes saying that he was a Manchurian candidate, you know, people like these who are doing these shootings being put in place by some agency or the government to promote a gun grab or keep the public in fear. | ||
| It's happening like every week. | ||
| It seems to be escalating to happen more and more frequently. | ||
| Well, I know this, sir. | ||
| When they staged these things, we know Columbine was staged. | ||
| We need to go back and do a whole article on how they reported four different gunmen. | ||
| There was 127 bombs in the building. | ||
| Half the school was empty. | ||
| There was a stand-down. | ||
| There were government mind-control programs connected to both of the youth. | ||
| They were both on drugs. | ||
| The Ritalin, Prozac types, both. | ||
| But now the Atlantic Wire is reporting there was also reports of a second shooter who may be at large. | ||
| So it's always that same report. | ||
| The Current also said there are unconfirmed reports of two shooters, one dead and one at large. | ||
| And again, there can be false reports of that too, except when somebody else opens the door, when smoke grenades get thrown from both sides. | ||
| When the people are in government programs, when the police orders stand down so shooters can go longer, if all these normal telltale signs start coming out, regardless, the White House is going to use this to go after our guns. | ||
| You can absolutely bet it. | ||
| So the most important thing is the gun defense. | ||
| You can tell that from the way he's carried himself. | ||
| But what he did in response to that caller is say yes to the idea that it was fake without saying yes. | ||
| And then laid a bunch of pretty vague... | ||
| He's trying to make it sound specific. | ||
| But vague conditions under which we can now say this is fake. | ||
| And you wouldn't do that if that's the direction... | ||
| Unless that was the direction you wanted to go in. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| I just want to say to that caller, go fucking fuck yourself, you dumb fuck. | ||
| How can you honestly look at that and be like, it seems like these are happening with more frequency, and then be like, well, clearly that's the government ramping up their let's steal your guns program. | ||
| Not, hey, guess what? | ||
| This is a fucking epidemic. | ||
| It's still understandable why the caller would think that, given Alex's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Training. | ||
| It's hard to say it in any other way than that. | ||
| Training. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| He has taken the course and, you know, to get your degree, you have to be dumb. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I guess. | ||
| Can't graduate community college to get this degree. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| It is... | ||
| This is going to be such an interesting investigation just based on the fact alone that... | ||
| Not fact, but, like, Sandy Hook is one of those... | ||
| Flashpoints in history you can point to where we didn't do anything about it then. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So that means it's okay. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like, that's really... | ||
| Not that it's okay, but that it's not going to... | ||
| It's never going to be addressed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So, like, after Columbine... | ||
| You couldn't imagine a more horrifying reality than that day. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You can't... | ||
| Like, you couldn't... | ||
| Maybe you could... | ||
| Maybe the best... | ||
| Maybe... | ||
| Well, we get hit with more horrifying realities on a daily basis at this point. | ||
| Maybe the best horror writers in the world could come up with some realistic scenario, something that would shock us more than the idea of someone coming to a school with automatic weapons, shooting out a window, and killing a bunch of children in school. | ||
| But it's hard to fathom something worse than that happening. | ||
| But that's what Sandy Hook was. | ||
| It was almost a test for America, and we utterly failed. | ||
| People tried not to fail. | ||
| They tried so hard, but people like Alex made sure, made fucking sure, that we didn't graduate community goddamn college. | ||
| But he was just misled by these people who had questions. | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| Who saw the anomalies. | ||
| Oh god, I'll kill myself. | ||
| You can see on this episode already that this investigation will lead us in strange directions, but it's ultimately unnecessary. | ||
| You just go back to the day, you see exactly what he's putting out into the world. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's an abject desire for it to be fair. | ||
| It is a complete, like, it's an ambivalence based on, I think, a recognition on his part. | ||
| Number one, as you pointed out, that on a conscious, cognitive level, he knows it was real. | ||
| And second, he doesn't know how to spin it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he probably does need those people like Wolfgang Helbig to come around to justify the thing that he wants to say. | ||
| To give him some cover. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I think that there's something to that. | ||
| But at this point, you can see where his head's at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very clearly. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah, there's no way that you can listen to what he's had to say so far and be like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, he just had debates. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| This guy would have done anything and everything for anyone. | ||
| Like, even if 99 of his callers said that it was real and you should worry about it. | ||
| Like, Alex, calm down. | ||
| He would grab onto the one caller who's like, yeah, this is Norcom. | ||
| And he'd been like, yep, yep, it's fake, thank God. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you, caller, for giving me cover. | ||
| So in this next clip, he talks about it again, and he's talking about how it's fake, but not saying it's fake, basically. | ||
| And compares it to another shooting that he believes was completely fake. | ||
| This is going to be, it looks like the biggest school massacre ever. | ||
| Boy, wouldn't you know, I mean, it's sick. | ||
| You can go back in the last month, and I've said over and over again, and we've written articles. | ||
| Saying, you watch, there's going to be giant school shootings. | ||
| I called it. | ||
| And all they've got to do is get some mental patient hopped up on psychotropics and then have their psychiatrist tell them to go do it. | ||
| And, of course, you know the Batman shooter. | ||
| It's now come out in the Denver papers. | ||
| And it's even come out in other mainstream news that he was in a DARPA mind control program. | ||
| He had a top Air Force psych warfare chief over him. | ||
| He was being paid. | ||
| A large salary as a graduate student to be part of the program. | ||
| So the James Holmes Aurora Batman shooting is something that will come up over the course of this. | ||
| And I wanted to get more into it because he's off base on a lot of this. | ||
| But I wanted to get more into it, but I felt that it would be better served to cover that on another episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I know it will come back up. | ||
| It's coming back up for sure. | ||
| We'll deal with that when he brings it back up on an episode where we have the bandwidth to take care of it. | ||
| But for now, all that's important is that Alex believes that that was a false flag shooting, and he's comparing it to the situation in Sandy Hook, which he's done over and over again. | ||
| He thinks that Columbine is fake. | ||
| He's comparing Sandy Hook to that. | ||
| He believes that Ted Kaczynski was directed to do his mail bombings by being part of the MKUltra program, and the feds made him do it, false flag, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| he's comparing that to Sandy Hook. | ||
| Every single thing that he's comparing... | ||
| And that's not a coincidence. | ||
| I don't know what a real shooting in his mind is, quite frankly. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever heard him cover something that was like, this happened, boy does it suck. | ||
| I guess actually like when white protesters are hit. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Nailed it! | ||
| 100! | ||
| When like Antifa. | ||
| Gets attacked by the Proud Boys, and one of the Proud Boys gets hurt. | ||
| He thinks that's a real assault. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| But I don't know if I've ever actually heard, and I know that it's probably partially because I haven't heard every episode of his show. | ||
| I believe, much like there's probably a real use of a source, there's probably an example of a shooting that he believes is real. | ||
| But he's not comparing Sandy Hook to any of those potential examples. | ||
| He's only comparing what's going on to all of these things he's built up with his rhetoric to be triggers in his audience's mind of things that are fake, and he's doing that for a very specific reason, and that is to prime them, to prime the pump of the narrative that is exactly what we've already said. | ||
| I love that we already got to it, but just that idea of, like, everyone who's listening knows where he's going. | ||
| It's almost like watching House and being like... | ||
| You're gonna solve the... | ||
| You're gonna get to the medical mystery. | ||
| Well, that too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, like, are House and Cuddy ever gonna make out? | ||
| Oh, yeah, for sure. | ||
| Will they, won't they? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Things in a sitcom. | ||
| You're watching for the tease, and then when it comes, it's kind of disappointing. | ||
| I think Alex realizes that he's doing a will-he-won't-he with Sadioca Spake, at least for this day in history. | ||
| I wish these guys had more fun with the shootings they thought were fake. | ||
| Like, look, all of the... | ||
| I'm not sure what you mean by that. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, like, I want a conspiracy theory that's like, RFK wasn't really killed. | ||
| Oh, you guys talk about that. | ||
| Not that he wasn't really killed, but that Sirhan Sirhan didn't kill him. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Okay, well, it was a false flag, but let's not worry about that. | ||
| Another one of these false flags. | ||
| You know what the fucking weirdest thing is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I wish I had taken this clip, but it just got kind of, like, lost in the wayside. | ||
| In this episode, he's talking shit on the Russians a lot. | ||
| Like, he's, in order to reinforce his idea that these false flag attacks happen, he's like, the Russians have been caught doing it a bunch. | ||
| He even specifically brings up the apartment bombings. | ||
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He does. | |
| He brings up the apartment bombings as an example of a false flag attack that happened. | ||
| I fucking hate him. | ||
| Which, by present day, he now is like, I thought it was fake. | ||
| It turns out it's not. | ||
| Putin's really great. | ||
| I fucking hate him. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| He uses that as an example of... | ||
| Hey, these people do all this shit. | ||
| How dare you get it right in the wrong service and then just change your mind, you fucking asshole? | ||
| Nothing matters. | ||
| All that matters is the means to an end. | ||
| Nothing is an end in of itself. | ||
| Everything is just a means to an end, and that is profoundly unethical. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex, this is where I think it sort of drifts into, like, I think we've already seen things that I would not... | ||
| I wouldn't like to see anyone do, like, reporting news, certainly. | ||
| But at the same time, there's still not, like, there's not indications that he's saying overt things that, like, this was fake or anything like that. | ||
| And he doesn't in this next clip either, but this is where I think he's putting his toe a little too far over the line. | ||
| And it's got the telltale signs here. | ||
| CBS News reporting that there were reportedly two shooters seen. | ||
| And the Atlantic Wire is also reporting that. | ||
| So when he says that Sandy Hook has the telltale signs, I think that's a bridge too far. | ||
| Because you don't have all the information. | ||
| You're in an irresponsible place reporting anything. | ||
| Even all of the, whatever the CBS is reporting that there are two shooters. | ||
| If you report that with the caveat that, you know, Solid right now. | ||
| This is what they're saying. | ||
| It may turn out to be true. | ||
| It may not be. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| You can probably walk that line. | ||
| But when you introduce it by saying this has all the telltale signs, which is implied very clearly, of fake shootings, that is where you have now breached a territory where it's like, you are doing too much. | ||
| To make your audience think it's fake. | ||
| Well, he has a false flag heart underneath the floorboards of his desk that just pumps every time there's a false flag shooting. | ||
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It's just... | |
| So, in this next clip, he talks about how a civil war is a-coming if they take the guns. | ||
| God, I kind of wish it had... | ||
| And then wait for this moment. | ||
| There is a moment where Alex, I believe, from all of my research in Alex and knowing how his brain works... | ||
| I think he almost says, this is fucking bullshit, this was fake, and he stops himself. | ||
| I'm very sure from listening to this a couple times that he really held his tongue. | ||
| And folks, you can absolutely guarantee there will be a civil war. | ||
| A death sentence to the police and military and citizens if they give this order, which may be the plan. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I actually... | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| Anyways. | ||
| I want to say it's fake! | ||
| I want to say it's fake! | ||
| They're getting ready to make some big moves. | ||
| You can guarantee that. | ||
| That is restraint you're seeing on his part. | ||
| And I just want to tell you... | ||
| It's fake! | ||
| It's fake! | ||
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False! | |
| There's a lot of stuff coming up in the news. | ||
| They're making their move! | ||
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It's... | |
| Now, I think the most interesting speculation is what is causing him to restrain himself. | ||
| That is a good question. | ||
| Because it's clearly not the threat of a lawsuit. | ||
| Like I said at the beginning of this episode, he's so far under the radar at this point. | ||
| No one gave a shit. | ||
| He was saying... | ||
| Clearly defamatory things about tons of people already at this point. | ||
| He'd gotten away with it for years. | ||
| He has no reason to fear that. | ||
| What is holding him back? | ||
| And I'm not sure what that is. | ||
| And I think the best argument, just because we are all people, and even Alex as a monster is still a person, I think it's exactly what you were talking about earlier, and that is that he knows this is real. | ||
| There's a part of him that is that bit of humanity. | ||
| Have you ever seen a dog fall off a dock? | ||
| Like, a dog scrambling. | ||
| Oh my god, no! | ||
| What? | ||
| There's some great videos of dogs falling off dogs. | ||
| What do you mean there are great videos of dogs falling off dogs? | ||
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They're fine. | |
| They can swim. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| But, like, their paws will, like, scratch at the dock and there's nothing to grab onto. | ||
| So it'll be, like... | ||
| Ten seconds of them trying to stay on the dock and then falling in the water. | ||
| Oh, do you mean like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon where they go over the edge of the cliff and they're standing there and then they look down and then they... | ||
| I was trying to use a real-world example, but yes. | ||
| I think that that is Alex clawing at the dock. | ||
| I think it's that part of his brain that's like... | ||
| Oh, you know that your entire career is predicated on you falling off this dock. | ||
| But you can't. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| These children died. | ||
| No, it is very much... | ||
| That pause, that long, like... | ||
| It has to be some part of him. | ||
| It may not be, but that's the easiest human explanation for it. | ||
| If I take this leap, I'm doing something fucking monstrous. | ||
| No, you can absolutely see him, like, plausibly, you can see him being like, my career is predicated and is dependent upon me saying this is fake. | ||
| But at the same time, I genuinely can't get the image out of my head of one of my kids being shot in a school. | ||
| I can't get it out of my head. | ||
| Give me a day. | ||
| If that's how he has to get there, then yeah, possibly that's it. | ||
| Give me a day and I'll be able to lie about this, but today all I see is that phone call when I come home. | ||
| And he's in such luck because this is a Friday, so he doesn't have to do a Saturday show. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| He can regroup for Sunday, and that'll be our next episode. | ||
| But in this next clip, Alex is taking calls, and he gets a call from a guy in Connecticut. | ||
| And this guy is just spouting unfounded rumors left and right and talking about things that really have nothing to do with the shooting at all, really. | ||
| One of the things he talks about is the idea that he went to a bowling alley. | ||
| And that there were some buses of kids from Sandy Hook High School who were there at the bowling alley bowling while the shooting was taking place. | ||
| Well, that proves it. | ||
| I would say that, first of all, those are two different schools. | ||
| Sure, same school district and what have you, but very different schools. | ||
| Also, I know that from when I was in high school, I took zero-hour bowling because... | ||
| I needed a P.E. credit and I wasn't going to fucking take another P.E. class at the school. | ||
| So I went in and they had buses that would take us to the bowling alley. | ||
| Why would you do anything but go to bowling? | ||
| It was a P.E. class that was offered in many, or even it could be like... | ||
| I don't know, Christmas break is coming up, holiday break, so maybe we're done with our finals, our midterms, and we're having a bowling day to celebrate. | ||
| That happens in schools, too. | ||
| There's nothing really necessarily suspicious about the stuff he's saying, but he's saying it in suspicious ways. | ||
| And Alex allows him to give all sorts of unverified rumors on the show and respond to them as if... | ||
| They mean something. | ||
| And here's where Alex gives his worst response of them all. | ||
| Because, yeah, we have it in the local news about the multiple shooters. | ||
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Yeah, multiple shooters that allegedly were dressed as nuns. | |
| That's how they got on the property. | ||
| That's the rumor that's going. | ||
| It's an unverified rumor coming through the school system, through the teachers, and that this is how the people actually got on the property. | ||
| So what are we going to do? | ||
| Ban habits now? | ||
| I'm physically ill is all I can say. | ||
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I mean, is that what we're going to do? | |
| It's not that he's physically ill about any of the rumors that this guy is saying. | ||
| He's physically ill about the, like, all of this amounts to the globalists. | ||
| So, earlier in the show, you asked me if Alex had any sort of human response to this about the victims of this shooting. | ||
| And it's interesting, like I said, there are semblances of humanity here and there, usually from an ego standpoint of the idea of my kids. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| This next clip is one of the weirder versions of that. | ||
| Because there is a moment where he wants a prayer. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| But it's not a prayer for the victims at Sandy Hook. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| It's sort of a broader prayer. | ||
| That would be admitting there were victims at Sandy Hook. | ||
| And also calling for this prayer. | ||
| The way he does implies that the children who were killed at that school were the victims of the globalists. | ||
| Alright folks, we're back live here. | ||
| I feel like we should say a prayer for all the children being killed around the world by the globalists. | ||
| That is a very implicit statement that he's making. | ||
| Great. | ||
| You might as well say, we need to have a prayer and hope that the gun used in the shooting is okay after the end of this. | ||
| Christ. | ||
| It's as bad. | ||
| Lord, please put it into a reseller's hands so that gun can find a better home. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You know, Alex goes with his gut. | ||
| He's a gut guy. | ||
| He loves to follow his gut to wherever it takes him. | ||
| Yeah, way more than information or reason or facts. | ||
| And so this next clip is particularly troubling. | ||
| And my gut is, with the timing and everything that happened, this is staged. | ||
| And you know, I've been saying the last few months, get ready for big mass shootings. | ||
| You can hear that wavering in his voice there, that fake crying voice that he does from time to time. | ||
| that this is staged. | ||
| That is pretty overt. | ||
| But still, because we have to practice this radical version of, we have to take Alex at exactly what he's saying. | ||
| That's still not him saying it was. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But he has constantly talked about how his gut is never wrong. | |
| Right. | ||
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And has trained his audience to accept whatever his instincts and his leanings are. | |
| So when he says, my gut, based on all the timing of this stuff, my gut is that it's staged. | ||
| To me, that's as good from a spiritual standpoint. | ||
| That's him saying, guys, the line here is that this is not real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Without him having to own the consequences of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At the very least, everybody who listens to him is going to know what that means. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That means Alex says it's not real. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I started out saying that he's 85% leaning towards it being a false flag and everything he says just goes up 1%. | ||
| 1% to where that is and we're like, this is 99% a false flag. | ||
| I'm almost ready to say it. | ||
| I'm so close. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, he's just talking about the globalists wanting to grab guns and this is probably a part of it. | ||
| The government could care less about children. | ||
| In fact, they hate the fact that they're even born. | ||
| They want to abort as many of them as they can. | ||
| So just get that. | ||
| When they're up there grandstanding and, well, see, Bob Costas, he was... | ||
| Notice they had all this anti-gun stuff right before this. | ||
| Right before Obama gets back in, not facing re-election, I said, look out. | ||
| This is the kickoff. | ||
| They're coming after the guns. | ||
| Look for mass shootings. | ||
| It's hard to escape what he's saying there. | ||
| And also, eagle-eared listeners will remember that when we talked about the Charleston shooting with Dylann Roof, his way of deflecting from the horror of that was to talk about abortion. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That idea of, like, they kill all these babies. | ||
| You think they don't care about killing anybody? | ||
| You know, that sort of thing is his way of dehumanizing. | ||
| Any kind of mass murder that is inconvenient for him. | ||
| It's the most whataboutism that you could possibly get. | ||
| Yeah, so it's interesting to see him. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| They're just mad that they got however many years of life they did. | ||
| They wish they could have killed him sooner. | ||
| Go fuck yourself, Alex. | ||
| I was going to say it's interesting, but it's not interesting. | ||
| The fact that he brings that up immediately as a deflection here, as he did after Charleston. | ||
| If abortion was performed with a fucking gun, then we can have a conversation. | ||
| But until then, you shut the goddamn fuck up. | ||
| It's a playbook that he's following in terms of the deflections, the distractions, that sort of thing. | ||
| So that's interesting, but again, not interesting. | ||
| That's the line I'm walking a little bit. | ||
| Noteworthy! | ||
| I would go with noteworthy. | ||
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So, the... | |
| I would say that you could easily hear the things that Alex is saying and be like, well, he's on air. | ||
| He's having to respond to whatever is thrown in his face. | ||
| Maybe he's just saying stuff, you know? | ||
| Like, he's just trying to keep a conversation going. | ||
| He doesn't have a co-host. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He just has to keep talking. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Maybe he's just saying things. | ||
| Possible. | ||
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I mean, the real sick thing is, Alex, I mean, if it is a globalist agenda, I mean, that's the really nauseating thing, and we are in trouble. | |
| Well, I don't just sit here and, you know, just say it. | ||
| It's the timing. | ||
| It's all of it together, and it's the usual first reports. | ||
| I'm not just saying things. | ||
| It's the timing that is leading me to believe that this is part of some sort of a globalist plot. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No, that is not good. | ||
| So Alex keeps talking about the telltale signs of this being a false flag. | ||
| Like, he's saying that if the telltale signs... | ||
| Are achieved, we know that this is a false flag. | ||
| First telltale sign. | ||
| It happened. | ||
| Second telltale sign. | ||
| A gun was involved. | ||
| Done. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| Well, he's very unspecific. | ||
| You are more specific than he is. | ||
| But he has said earlier that Sandy Hook fits these telltale signs. | ||
| And so in this next clip, another caller asks, what are these telltale signs? | ||
| And it's interesting to hear Alex's response. | ||
| The moon was full! | ||
| That's not one of them. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| What is the signs that you're talking about, Alex? | ||
| Because the signs that I'm seeing, I mean, you used to see crime scenes like this, you know, some years ago, maybe when we were kids. | ||
| You'd see a lot of local police. | ||
| Now you're seeing just, I mean, dominated by FBI. | ||
| No, no, that's the sign. | ||
| That's the sign. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| No, it's always the same. | ||
| So that is him saying it's fake. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That is, without saying the words. | ||
| That is him confirming to a caller that this is fake. | ||
| You saw the sign. | ||
| It opened up his mind. | ||
| He saw the sign. | ||
| You saw the sign. | ||
| He asked, what are the telltale signs you keep talking about? | ||
| Because back in my day, you'd see local police responding to things. | ||
| Now there's FBI. | ||
| That's the sign. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's what happened here. | ||
| That's what you said a sign was. | ||
| Connect the dots. | ||
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Fake. | |
| And I would say that whatever crime this guy is imagining from his younger days It doesn't match the scale of this crime. | ||
| It also doesn't match the severity, the amount of resources that were actually available in Newtown, those sorts of things, needing to ask for assistance from state police. | ||
| And the FBI obviously would be interested in the worst school shooting in American history at the time. | ||
| God, you have to say at the time is the worst. | ||
| So none of that means anything to me. | ||
| Except for it means that Alex... | ||
| Is trying to reinforce that to his listener that shit's fake. | ||
| That's him saying it without saying it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, he had some guests. | ||
| You heard him say we have some guests coming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Earlier in the show. | ||
| And he's bumped most of them. | ||
| Because when the reality of the situation became clear to him, he realized, like, ah, we've got to talk about this. | ||
| He didn't bump one of them. | ||
| And we're going to have several guests today. | ||
| I've moved one of them to just be on the nightly news. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| This is because this is so important. | ||
| I kept Larry Grafwald on the show because he can speak to this. | ||
| Vietnam veteran, 65 to 66, in the 2nd 502 Infantry 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division, former FBI Weather Underground informant, who quoted Obama confidant and former leader of the Weathermen as stating that those Americans who could not be reeducated in communist camps after the revolution would be eliminated in Mao Cultural Revolution. | ||
| $25 million to be killed. | ||
| So Larry Grathwalt was a Vietnam vet, but he's most well known as the guy who claimed that he had infiltrated the weather underground and uncovered a plot helmed by Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn to foment a cultural revolution in America. | ||
| Their plan was to take conservatives to re-education camps, and if they refused to get with the program, they would be killed. | ||
| In an absurd interview from 1982, Grathwald claimed that the Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans, and Russians would seek to occupy parts of the United States, which the Weather Underground was totally cool with because they were more concerned with the, quote, counter-revolution, which of course is supposed to be Alex's patriot weirdos. | ||
| I don't believe him. | ||
| He claims that unnamed, but it's assumed to be Bill Ayers, members of the Weather Underground told him that they estimated that 25 million people were not just going to go along and get on board with what they were doing, presumably because they were diehard capitalists and thus would need to be killed. | ||
| Nothing that he's ever said about the Weather Underground or Bill Ayers has ever been supported by anything other than his claims. | ||
| There's no evidence of any of this stuff, and since he was working as a mole for the FBI, it seems weird that none of this ever led to any real charges. | ||
| He was never wearing a wire. | ||
| He never produced anything in writing or even had any corroborating witnesses. | ||
| But that has not stopped him from being hero-worship by the anti-communist propaganda circles that we cover so often. | ||
| They don't depend so much on actual evidence as they do the appearance of evidence. | ||
| So everything Grathwell was, it was exactly what they needed to reinforce their arguments that communism is a menace that seeks to kill all who oppose it, even in modern days. | ||
| And their tentacles have invaded all the halls of academia in America. | ||
| In 2016, when Alex Jones finally got to sit down with Bill Ayers, Alex confronted him with talk about Larry Grathwald, and if you recall, it didn't go well. | ||
| Was Larry Grathwald... | ||
| I heard he tried to debate you. | ||
| Have you ever debated him? | ||
| No, never. | ||
| And he's passed away now, but Larry Grathwald was a pathological liar, a paid informant of the FBI. | ||
| I don't know if you're a fan of the FBI, but Larry Grathwald was paid to lie, and none of what he said was true or has ever been proven to be true. | ||
| Well, I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff the FBI has done, but it's pretty much a creature of whoever runs the Justice Department and the White House, but I'm certainly not a fan of communists. | ||
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So Larry Grathwell is a creature of the Justice Department, correct? | |
| Of the Justice Department he was under, but he... | ||
| I think there's good people and bad people in there is what I'm saying. | ||
| Or do you not like that Justice Department? | ||
| I believe that when you guys recruited him and reportedly tried to get him to train you in military tactics, I mean, I think it was good to stop violence. | ||
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That is true. | |
| Larry Grathwell hung around SPS. | ||
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Everybody thought he was a cop. | |
| It turns out he wasn't a cop. | ||
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He was simply a paid informant. | |
| Paid to lie, and that's what he did. | ||
| None of what he said ever resulted in anything. | ||
| So the fact that he tried to make a second career out of himself is ludicrous. | ||
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He was not a truthful person. | |
| He never told the truth. | ||
| We've got to go to break. | ||
| Come back. | ||
| You can finish responding to that and give us your view on education. | ||
| So Alex didn't do great with that interview. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| The time that Larry Grathwald would have been working for the FBI as an informant was 1969, according to his own book. | ||
| Who was the head of the Department of Justice? | ||
| Well, it was under the Richard Nixon administration. | ||
| And in 1969, Nixon's attorney general was John N. Mitchell. | ||
| For those of you who don't know what John N. Mitchell got up to in his career, here are a few highlights. | ||
| Here are the greatest hits. | ||
| In the lead-up to the 1968 election, representatives of Nixon's campaign sabotaged the Paris peace talks that would have effectively ended the Vietnam War. | ||
| They did this specifically to ensure that Nixon won the election, as they had told allies in South Vietnam that Nixon could offer them a better peace deal than the Johnson administration could. | ||
| By the way, that was treason. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| LBJ had recordings of everything that have since been released where he discussed the situation with his advisor, Richard Russell. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| John N. Mitchell was deeply involved in trying to spread the anti-Johnson sentiment among our allies while simultaneously contacting the North Vietnamese and telling them similar things. | ||
| Treason. | ||
| Because Nixon lacked the political baggage that LBJ had, he could give them a better deal, too. | ||
| The actions of John N. Mitchell led to the continuation of a pointless war that could have ended sooner, and he did it for purely political motives. | ||
| You would think that someone like Larry Grathwal, a Vietnam vet, wouldn't want to work with that kind of a guy. | ||
| In another call, LBJ spoke with Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and explicitly called what Nixon's people were doing treason, to which Dirksen replied, quote, I know. | ||
| At the time, Mitchell was Nixon's campaign manager and ran operations for the campaign. | ||
| In February 1975, John Mitchell was also found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury for his role in planning the Watergate break-in. | ||
| Throughout his time as Attorney General, Mitchell spent all of his political capital attacking left-leaning groups. | ||
| Immediately after Nixon won the election, he told a reporter, quote, this country is going so far to the right you won't recognize it. | ||
| And he made good on his word, seeking to disrupt civil rights groups and anti-war groups at every turn. | ||
| re-election of the president, or as many people call it, Creep, which was ostensibly a fundraising arm of the Nixon 1972 re-election campaign, but really was mostly about money laundering and creating slush funds in order to pay the Watergate burglars. | ||
| Interestingly, Roger Stone also worked for Creep. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Anyway, my point here is that given the circumstances and lack of any substantiating evidence, I see literally no reason to put any stock into what Larry Grathwaal says. | ||
| Absent any other proof, I think Bill Ayers' explanation that he's a liar who was paid by a criminal department of justice is probably the most sensible conclusion here. | ||
| Alex is just having him on, even though huge news broke, because Larry's story helps build Alex's budding narrative that the Sandy Hook shooting was fake. | ||
| Larry's story was that in order to reshape society to fit their desires, the Weather Underground was willing to kill 25 million people. | ||
| It's not true, but it goes a long way toward helping a struggling audience come to terms with the idea that these people would also be willing to kill children in order to reach their goal. | ||
| What I'm saying is that the fact that Alex didn't bump Larry Grathwall and bumped other people speaks volumes about his intentions. | ||
| He has this guy on because he knows that there is... | ||
| He had him planned anyway, and that's probably a happy coincidence. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or whatever, but he doesn't bump him because he knows that there's something that will help feed the narrative that he's working on in continuing the interview. | ||
| And I think, like I said, I think that speaks to intent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And it's never not important to point out that the Weather Underground went really far out of their way to try not to hurt people. | ||
| Really far out of their way to try not to hurt people. | ||
| As far as terrorist organizations go, they were really going for zero casualties. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, that's the same that you see with eco-terrorists and animal rights terrorists. | ||
| The people who do those sorts of things go... | ||
| They generally, anytime they hurt anybody even, it's a... | ||
| Profound mistake that they've made. | ||
| There's planning involved that it's just property damage or something that is some sort of a symbolic thing. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| That's most of the terrorism on the left. | ||
| Granted, there is probably some other things I'm not 100% aware of. | ||
| Not going to paint with a broad brush. | ||
| Exception, rules, etc. | ||
| Those are the biggest left terrorist groups that exist. | ||
| It's very different than the people who just... | ||
| Shoot abortion doctors. | ||
| Anyway, I bring all that up, and I wanted to talk about the history of the people that Larry Grathwald was working for, because they don't fit whatever... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's having him on, like I said, specifically because the anti-weather underground narrative that says that they wanted to kill 25 million people, which Alex says was the globalists doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All that stuff is to acclimate the audience to, they would kill children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I, as soon as I heard he didn't bump Larry Grathwall, I was like, that's what he's doing. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And then, after that, I heard this clip, and I was like, ah, you son of a bitch. | ||
| Larry, what's your gut on this tragedy right now? | ||
| And then tying it into a group that says they want to kill 25 million libertarians and conservatives. | ||
| Would they stage a mass shooting to get our guns? | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| Wow, that was fast. | ||
| You did exactly what I thought you'd do. | ||
| That was fucking fast. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty crazy. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Do you know what's fascinating? | ||
| The reason... | ||
| So, LBJ probably could have been re-elected. | ||
| Perhaps, yeah. | ||
| Well, by his memoirs, he could have been re-elected. | ||
| And he was pretty much... | ||
| If you listen to or read the transcripts of those tapes, a bunch of it was like, I know Nixon's gonna win. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| He knew, and was also like, when he was calling what they were doing treason, it was like, in these conversations, they were like... | ||
| I don't think it should enter the campaign, what they're doing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But this is bullshit. | ||
| Right, right, right, exactly. | ||
| Which is crazy to think about in our modern world of dirty politics and stuff like that. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| He knew that they were committing treason. | ||
| I know! | ||
| We should not talk about this publicly. | ||
| I'm only talking to you about this. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's so fascinating because... | ||
| We need to scold them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And one of the reasons that he didn't run is because he was told by doctors, because of his family's history of dying young, he was told by his doctors that he would die within four years. | ||
| And one of the reasons he didn't run is because he said that the American people had enough presidents dying in office, and then he died four years later. | ||
| Like, he died in the exact year that his doctors... | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| That is nuts! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Presidents are fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of that history is real weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| It's hard to rewrite history. | ||
| And there might have been problems with the Paris peace talks to begin with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It may have had that shit not happened, there's a decent chance that it wouldn't have led to the conclusion we imagine it would. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, this fantasy of, like... | ||
| Hey, war ended exactly when it could have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| No. | ||
| But that doesn't take away from the fact that there were nefarious actors in Nixon's camp specifically doing that shit, and one of them was John Mitchell, who was the head, who was the, you know, the attorney general who, you know, the buck stops with him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In terms of whatever Larry Grathwaal was doing. | ||
| It is, it never, every time we fantasy book history... | ||
| It is almost never like the right wing didn't get assassinated. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| In American history, so often are like, here was the moment where things could have changed. | ||
| It's always been a left guy getting murdered. | ||
| You know, like when Robert Kennedy was murdered. | ||
| The great what-ifs. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Or always the left wing got murdered. | ||
| The moment that their popularity was at their highest, somebody was murdered. | ||
| It is one of those, like, Motherfucking right-wing assholes always say, oh, if we do this, we're going to get killed. | ||
| And the only people who wind up fucking getting killed are the ones who are trying to make shit better. | ||
| Meanwhile, when right-wing people clandestinely talk to enemies... | ||
| They get appointed as ambassador to Venezuela instead of El Salvador. | ||
| Or they win elections. | ||
| Or they, you know, they have Democrat presidents be like... | ||
| Not ambassador, but yeah. | ||
| Be a special representative. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or have LBJ be like, "Let's not make this fucking ugly." Right. | ||
| "Let's find a way to deal with this behind the scenes." Let's uphold our constitutional norms. | ||
| Otherwise we will have to bring charges against these people and that will be fucking messy. | ||
| So, I wanted to spend a little time on that, just because I think it's interesting, and I haven't heard an episode other than this one where Larry actually shows up. | ||
| Because he dies, I don't remember when he died, but he died by the time most of our episodes cover, like in the... | ||
| Like, 2015 era. | ||
| Alex talks about interviewing his daughter and stuff like that, but I'd never actually heard him be on the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he is the person, actually, that when you ask me, does Alex say anything human, Larry Grathwal, his response when Alex asks him, based on your experience with the Weather Underground wanting to kill 25 million people, do you think that they would do this in order to get our guns? | ||
| The answer at the end of a rambling, very long answer is... | ||
| But at the same time, in that, he was like, I can't imagine what it must be like for these people. | ||
| And so he's the one who more expresses. | ||
| So Larry is the one who's like, Jesus, even me, pathological liar Larry Grothwald, has to say this is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he expresses more of that human side that you want to hear. | ||
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| And we don't need to listen to it. | ||
| I'll just give him credit for that. | ||
| So, Alex here in this next clip. | ||
| How's Larry Groswald doing? | ||
| I got bad news. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Oh, well, hey, you're doing great work. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex, I mean, again, it's just all insinuations that this was fake. | ||
| I told you, get ready for mass shootings. | ||
| This will be the biggest one in U.S. history magically as Obama comes into a second term. | ||
| I smell a rat. | ||
| He smells a rat. | ||
| Just quit teasing. | ||
| Just quit fucking doing it. | ||
| It smells a rat, baby. | ||
| Just fucking do it. | ||
| Just do what you want to do and say it's fake. | ||
| You have no conscience. | ||
| Do it or don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are the two options. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is unacceptable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This sort of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not responsible as broadcasting. | ||
| Quit playing with my nipples, asshole. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So in this next clip, when we were talking about earlier the idea that there's misreporting early and that sort of thing happens, Alex is now going to treat the idea that people had reported various things, like there's talk that there might be a second shooter or stuff like that. | ||
| As more information comes to the surface, they realize that that report of the second shooter is now invalidated by more reporting. | ||
| And so they're going back and correcting their stories. | ||
| Alex interprets that as scrubbing the internet of these stories. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so now he will use that as evidence that this is a fake situation. | ||
| They started scrubbing articles, and Natural News is reporting on this. | ||
| Iowa's reports of second shooter now being scrubbed from the news, and people let out of the woods by officers and a SWAT team now investigating the home of one suspect. | ||
| That was people going to his mother's house where they ended up finding her dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that is also not suspicious. | ||
| And again, you've got reportedly a van that got its windows shot out. | ||
| Where there's smoke, there's fire. | ||
| And we need to talk to people in the school before they get threatened. | ||
| Was there a drill? | ||
| So that's sort of his line that he's making of like, if there was a drill, then it's fake. | ||
| Also, there's a bunch of other things that I will accept as evidence that it was fake. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| I will literally give me anything and I will say this is fake. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Please. | ||
| But that will be the thing that will be the coup de grace or whatever. | ||
| My piece de resistance will be... | ||
| I don't know why we have to keep using French things when we've already established he hates the French. | ||
| But that will be the thing that is beyond the pale. | ||
| There's a training exercise, there's a drill there, whatever, dead to rights, boom. | ||
| Ironic how concerned he is about the parents of the victims. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| I mean, like, we need to talk to them before they get harassed. | ||
| Oh, no, I think he's talking about the people who work at the school. | ||
| Not parents of the victims, I mean, just like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People in the school. | ||
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| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Before they get harassed. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Before the feds come and tell them not to say shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Which also implies that that is the situation that's going on, so that implies that he believes that they will get shaken down. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I hadn't even thought about that, but as we're talking about that clip, the only way that that clip makes sense, because he's saying... | ||
| We need to talk to them before they get threatened. | ||
| Was there a drill there? | ||
| The only way you say that is if you believe with no evidence that there was a drill there and that people will be threatened in order to cover it up. | ||
| So if there is no evidence there, it means that you didn't get there quick enough and everyone's been threatened and they won't talk. | ||
| And if someone tells you that there was a drill, then great. | ||
| I do still think he's on the right side of... | ||
| Legality, probably, at this point. | ||
| It's kind of hard to say because of what he's saying implies, and you know how his audience will hear it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's not saying the things, like, in the 2015 clip that we go back to from time to time of him saying this is a synthetic event, it's all actors, that sort of thing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That is overt defamation, absolutely dead to rights. | ||
| What he's saying here is an ambivalent version of that, I would say, possibly. | ||
| Like a sort of ambivalent, cowardly version? | ||
| I think it's one of those things where if this were an isolated incident, you could say he's protected. | ||
| But if we were going to... | ||
| Like, were he anyone else? | ||
| Yeah, were he anyone else? | ||
| And we were doing this. | ||
| If this was a court case, were he anyone else? | ||
| You'd say... | ||
| Yeah, I can see how a public figure could say this and be wrong and not have malicious intent behind it. | ||
| You'd hope the next day they would sort of deal with, wow, kind of blew it up a little bit of that. | ||
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| And not be knowledgeably negligent. | ||
| But with our context, with all of what we've put together, this one show where he doesn't even explicitly say it, I feel like we could prove beyond a reasonable doubt. | ||
| That he was committing a crime on this show. | ||
| I think it's a borderline issue. | ||
| It's close, but I don't agree with you, but I think spiritually and intent-wise, yes. | ||
| The intent is there for sure, but I'm not sure the act is there yet. | ||
| But all that being said, and let's put all that aside for a second, because Alex fancies himself a journalist. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| And he thinks what he's doing is reporting. | ||
| He thinks he's bringing the truth to people and stuff like that. | ||
| And so when I heard this next clip, I was like, no one would ever do this if they cared about reality. | ||
| No one would ever put this call to action into the world if they were interested in reporting the actual facts of any situation. | ||
| Take Sandy Hook out of it. | ||
| Let's say, I don't know, someone stole a loaf of bread from the bodega up the street. | ||
| Don't talk about Derek. | ||
| He's a fine guy. | ||
| He's hungry. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Scale it down however you want to a very minimal situation. | ||
| And someone wanting to talk about the reality of whatever happened, they would never do something like this. | ||
| This next clip grossed me out. | ||
| Folks, I want to get your comments on what's happening, your take, your ideas, news reports you're seeing. | ||
| Go to Infowars.com, go to Enemies of Second Amendment Will Exploit Connecticut Shooting, and comment in there, and I'll read your comments on air of what you think's going on. | ||
| Infowars.com, go to the top article, Enemies of Second Amendment Will Exploit Connecticut Shooting. | ||
| So he's written, Kurt Nemo, I believe, or one of these Aaron Dykes, one of these guys, has written an article, Enemies of the Second Amendment Will Exploit Sandy Hook, or the Connecticut shooting. | ||
| That's the article. | ||
| So that is already, the name of the article is already biased. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then he's saying... | ||
| Leave your comments in that article and I'll read them on the air. | ||
| You wouldn't do that if you wanted real information. | ||
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Who the fuck is going to leave a comment on that article? | |
| Have you ever read the Infowars comments? | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Good God, no. | ||
| I would never do that. | ||
| A lot of spam. | ||
| A lot of spam. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| A lot of people starting to sell you shoes. | ||
| Hey, I have a great... | ||
| Sunglasses and shoes. | ||
| I have a great poll question for you. | ||
| Is Trump doing a great job, or is he doing the greatest job? | ||
| No, no, that's not an InfoWars article. | ||
| That is a Trump email that he sends out. | ||
| That is our president sending that out. | ||
| It is not a place you want to get information from. | ||
| So Alex, on the show, the day of Sandy Hook being like, we got this article with a very biased headline. | ||
| And what we want is you to comment in there, and I'm going to read it on the air. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| It's like, no one would do that if they cared. | ||
| No one would do that. | ||
| That is an indication of, that's him giving the bird to the idea that he cares. | ||
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| It's so insane. | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| Drama. | ||
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| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| Get people to go to that article. | ||
| Increase listener engagement. | ||
| You know, like, hey, you've always wanted to be on my show, but you haven't been able to call, you haven't been able to get through. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| If you comment on this article, then I will take that and I will read it on air. | ||
| Think about how famous you, Dan, will be personally. | ||
| Because Alex Emmerich goddamn Jones. | ||
| Sandy Hook Denier will read out your bullshit on air. | ||
| That's painfully cynical, but probably accurate. | ||
| Like, it is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| The only functional reason to do that is to drum up more traffic to your site. | ||
| It's the only reason. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Hey, psychopaths are great, right? | ||
| I hadn't even really thought about that. | ||
| I just thought it was like, I want more content, and I don't care where it comes from. | ||
| But it probably is sort of a drive to the website. | ||
| He realizes this is a rare circumstance where I'm going to get a lot of people who are interested. | ||
| If I can funnel them to my website, my traffic will explode. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's like nothing drives up gun sales more than a mass shooting. | ||
| So there's a very real... | ||
| Tangible monetary interest that all of the gun manufacturers have in making sure mass shootings continue to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just so brutally cynical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You never want to think that that's probably what's going through someone's mind, but maybe it is. | ||
| And maybe that is part of the calculus that he's going through when he's wrestling with, where do I land on this? | ||
| And now by this point in the show, he's realized, this could really help. | ||
| This could really help Infowars get it on the map. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If everyone goes to the website, comments, maybe we get a thousand shit comments, but one guy gives us a narrative we can run with or whatever, then that thousand shit comments is going to be a couple, like, a hundred thousand actual hits to the website. | ||
| You can sell more AdSense. | ||
| Because I haven't been kicked off that yet. | ||
| I mean, it is very much like there's no... | ||
| If you recorded everything that the CEO of Smith& Wesson ever said, there is no way that he has never said, I'm kind of happy every time a mass shooting happens because our sales go up. | ||
| I'm sure... | ||
| There's zero percent chance that he... | ||
| Some unguarded moment. | ||
| Yeah, in some unguarded moment, he's been like, mass shootings are great for business. | ||
| If that dumb-dumb had to do, like, four hours of radio a day... | ||
| Yeah, he would totally... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex has a prediction about what is going to happen because of this Sandy Hook shooting. | ||
| And the way he phrases this is very interesting. | ||
| Oh, they're going to hype this up, and I predict there'll be some more school shootings now from real nuts. | ||
| Because when they hype this stuff, it creates copycats. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| So that was Grathwald saying, I agree. | ||
| But Alex is saying that... | ||
| If they hype this up, there will be real nuts that shoot up schools. | ||
| Have we seen any examples of him pointing out these real nuts? | ||
| They've all been fake nuts. | ||
| They've all been fake nuts since then. | ||
| But even take that aside, the implicit thing that he's saying is that this one isn't a real nut. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There will be later real nuts who are inspired by this, but this is not a real nut. | ||
| Which, I mean, you just have to cut through a little bit of what he's saying without saying it and realize, like, this is the argument he's trying to put forth. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, at this point in the show, Alex takes a call from somebody whose cousin is a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary. | ||
| And I don't know if that's true. | ||
| No idea if that's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Could be? | ||
| Sounds like a... | ||
| It sounds... | ||
| The benefit of the doubt is not given to an InfoWars listener giving us second-hand information from a cousin who may or may not be a teacher. | ||
| I'll say that I will never act on the information that's being provided by this guy. | ||
| But in terms of InfoWars callers who present a story for themselves, he didn't give me any red flags. | ||
| I'm willing to believe that his cousin does work at the school. | ||
| Alright, then I'm in. | ||
| But unfortunately, he's really defensive about the idea that he thinks it's fake and other people are not thrilled that he thinks it's fake. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| Let's go to Gary, who has a cousin who is a teacher at the school. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Give us your information, sir. | ||
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| I agree. | ||
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I'll try to make it quick. | |
| I was in the barbershop. | ||
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I got a text message from my phone about a shooting at an elementary school. | |
| I live in New York. | ||
| I went to college in Connecticut. | ||
| So I called my roommate, who I went to school with, to make sure his daughter was okay. | ||
| And then he told me that the school was in Newton. | ||
| He was in Waterbury. | ||
| And then my mom texted me, and she said, oh my God, that's Kerry's school. | ||
| Kerry's my cousin. | ||
| So I told him to put the news on. | ||
| I say... | ||
| I know that we want to doubt all of Alex's callers and what have you. | ||
| So far, this is believable. | ||
| And especially the way he's like, that's Carrie's school. | ||
| Carrie's my cousin. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That sort of thing, that is not how your brain works when you have a script. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Or some sort of a thing you're pitching, or like, hey, this is the story I want to tell. | ||
| Oh, I realize that detail. | ||
| You have no idea who Carrie is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That kind of is how people communicate. | ||
| At this point in time... | ||
| His story passes the smell test. | ||
| I can believe him on the facts and also disbelieve him on the interpretation. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That I'm fine with. | ||
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At the barbershop, and they said, oh, I bet you're going to think it was an inside job. | |
| And I said, I'm not saying that it was, but I wouldn't put it past them. | ||
| And they were like, why would they kill innocent children? | ||
| And I said, excuse me? | ||
| I said, abortion, vaccines, and poisoning, food, and water. | ||
| These people are Satan. | ||
| Yeah, why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag to get control? | ||
| Why do government stage these things to get our guns? | ||
| I mean, why can't people get that through their head? | ||
| So he's reinforcing this caller who may or may not have a cousin who worked at the school who thinks it's a false flag because of listening to Alex and people at the barbershop are like, hold on, why would you think that? | ||
| It's not crazy to think that. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| Alex should be trying to bring this lower as opposed to reinforcing this guy's ideas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So far the only heroes in this story are the people at the barbershop who are like, you're fucking crazy, dude. | ||
| So that's really weird. | ||
| Like, he's... | ||
| Responding to these people who are dealing with it. | ||
| That guy is dealing with some shit. | ||
| On a personal level, that he's not really even bringing to the show. | ||
| He's got to be struggling. | ||
| In the sense that his cousin was a teacher there. | ||
| He has a connection to the community. | ||
| He went to college in Connecticut. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| And Alex is like, yeah man, of course. | ||
| Of course you'd be suspicious of things. | ||
| It's all reinforcing the... | ||
| The prelude to saying it's fake. | ||
| And I know it's such a tease. | ||
| And there isn't necessarily a strong payoff to even when we're going to end this episode. | ||
| Of him being like, fuck it, it's fake. | ||
| Or anything. | ||
| But that is what he's doing. | ||
| That caller is interesting because of his personal connection. | ||
| He knows that it is real. | ||
| Because his cousin is a teacher there. | ||
| So his concern, his texts to all of his family members and to his friends from college are from a very real place of this did happen. | ||
| These kids were killed. | ||
| He's in the false flag, but in that all the kids were actually murdered. | ||
| It's not crisis actors or anything like that. | ||
| So it's fascinating for him to call in. | ||
| When we know that Alex is going to later say that all of these people were crisis actors. | ||
| Because he's getting first-hand, like, borderline, you know, second-hand hearsay from a first-hand source. | ||
| That everybody really is dead. | ||
| But that's the difficulty of being a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Because there are so many conspiracy angles you could take. | ||
| And maybe that's part of Alex's ambivalence. | ||
| Where is the line I draw on this? | ||
| Actors? | ||
| Or is it that the globalists just put the shooter into the school? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or is it that he was a real shooter and then they covered it up and are exploiting it? | ||
| He doesn't quite know exactly what lane to take. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, I mean, on one level, you just want somebody to be straight up and deal with the facts as they're coming in. | ||
| There's talk of there being two shooters. | ||
| We'll see if the effects eventually bear that out. | ||
| That's sort of like straight reporting. | ||
| Then there's another version that is Alex's pure self. | ||
| That is fucking aggressive and just, I don't give a shit. | ||
| This is fake. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| If you think it's real, go fuck yourself. | ||
| This is the globalists. | ||
| And he's not doing either of those. | ||
| He's playing the fence because he needs to bide his time. | ||
| And it's because exactly what you said. | ||
| An hour and a half ago that he knows it's real, and there is a part of him that is super guilty about the idea that he knows he's going to do what he does. | ||
| From a very, I suppose, purely practically moral questioning standpoint, is it worse if he knows it's real and then lies about it? | ||
| Or is it worse if he doesn't know it's real and lies about it? | ||
| I mean, I guess it depends on, like, are you a utilitarian? | ||
| Like, from a very utilitarian moral standpoint, like, what is more damaging? | ||
| Well, I mean, utilitarians generally view the result as being what determines the morality of what happens. | ||
| So it doesn't matter. | ||
| It would be equivalent. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But for me, I would say that knowing what you're doing makes it way worse. | ||
| It does seem worse, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The end result is equivalent in terms of knowingly doing this or fumbling like Mr. Magoo into accidentally doing it. | ||
| The end result is the same. | ||
| The damage done is the same. | ||
| But if you know what you're doing, there is a will behind it. | ||
| And it's what we talk about all the time, the idea of people who are bad actors, who come from a bad faith position. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Intrinsically wrong, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, that's enshrined in our legal system. | ||
| That slander, that libel is intent. | ||
| Intent, it does come into legal definitions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think for sure. | ||
| I think we've proven that Alex's intent is to lie about this. | ||
| I don't know if we've proven it, but we've seen strong indications. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Well, we don't have DNA evidence that he's doing it, but I'll be goddamned if this doesn't present a damning picture. | ||
| I ruin the fun of a lot of these things because just trying to be like, well, hold on. | ||
| I know that, as I say it, I know that there's a real good chance we will be able to prove that. | ||
| But at this point, I don't think we can. | ||
| I think that what we have is very, very, very strong indications that he wants to lie about this and his... | ||
| The vestigial organ that controls his decency and humanity is stopping him in some way. | ||
| That clip that we saw where he paused... | ||
| The vestigial tail that he has with human emotion inside of it. | ||
| The three vertebrae that stick out from his ass a little bit too far. | ||
| Yeah, his weird... | ||
| What's that thing that everyone gets removed? | ||
| Tonsils. | ||
| His tonsils of morality. | ||
| Is that where he keeps his morality? | ||
| Yeah, it must be. | ||
| But that's what you saw in that clip where he paused for like 20 seconds after saying, I'm going to tell you the truth. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| That's the struggle that you see. | ||
| And I'm not saying struggle in a noble way, because it's a struggle in the wrong direction. | ||
| Oh, hell no. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But it's a struggle. | ||
| You still see a struggle here. | ||
| That's what I didn't expect to find. | ||
| Like, when I look back on this, like, what I expected to see. | ||
| Because I listened to the Boston bombing episode, and he immediately is like, this is the fucking feds. | ||
| He's going hard on that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, as it happens, he's just like, fuck it. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Right, which is like, this is the turning point. | ||
| Because the Boston bombing was after this. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is the point where he had that, like, moral, here are two paths to go down. | ||
| It's possible that's the case. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And maybe that's what you don't expect to see. | ||
| Like, you go back to the actual day, and one of the things I'm super grateful for is that this isn't as gross as it could have been. | ||
| Because I did expect to hear that Boston bombing episode, but about this shooting. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And on some level, I kind of am glad that he is this wishy-washy, ambivalent, whatever. | ||
| Like, you can hear him obviously saying that I want to say this is fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But not, like, demonizing these children yet. | ||
| It is so much like this is the day that Anakin kills the younglings. | ||
| Like, this is that moment. | ||
| We're watching this man go towards the dark side and be irredeemable. | ||
| He was dark before, though. | ||
| I know, but, like, so was Anakin. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't... | ||
| Look. | ||
| And again, it killed all the sand... | ||
| That's not my favorite metaphor, but yeah, I mean, there is... | ||
| Your favorite metaphors are never Star Wars metaphors, and I've made like five references tonight. | ||
| I prefer a Dune metaphor. | ||
| You like a Dune metaphor? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alright, so this is what... | ||
| What about the sandworm, but when it was cool? | ||
| Is that our t-shirt now? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That would be a great t-shirt. | ||
| What about the sandworm, but when it was cool, you know? | ||
|
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Oh, Shai Halud, when will you ever? | |
| I do think it's interesting because I do think there's a demarcation point, for sure. | ||
| And I do think that this is part of it. | ||
| I think that when you accept lying about Sandy Hook for opportunistic reasons... | ||
| You definitely put yourself in a position where, like, you are... | ||
| You're too far gone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that it might be... | ||
| I think it's possible that that is where he did enter a realm of, like, fuck it, I have no soul. | ||
| Right, which makes this doubly fascinating in that this might actually be the one moment that... | ||
| Really delineates the Alex of the past that we talked about in 2009, who was still an asshole and still monstrous, but he was also that whimsical asshole who was monstrous, to the Alex that we experience now, which is the irredeemable cockbag. | ||
| I mean, it's entirely possible, and we'll see. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I think it's very interesting that... | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| Because it's too simplistic to say that there are shreds of nascent humanity here. | ||
| Because I think that there's also a decent chance, and we should call ourselves out about this, we are probably giving way too much credit to Silence. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Those moments when he's being like... | ||
| We're pretending that that's him stopping himself. | ||
| That's our interpretation of it. | ||
| It's based on our understanding of him and our research and experience of him, but we could also be wrong and be giving way too much of a benefit of the doubt to him. | ||
| And it could just be that he's trying to figure out where's the money here? | ||
| Where is the money angle? | ||
| For sure! | ||
| He could be just restraining himself because it's like, look. | ||
| I'm going to fucking find a way to market this. | ||
| What is the best way to do it? | ||
| I don't want to say X if Y is more profitable, and I'm not sure which is yet. | ||
| Got to dance around both. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| That's such a great point, because part of our implicit bias is always going to be towards the... | ||
| This is a human being. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Or operating from human impulses. | ||
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Right! | |
| Right, right, right! | ||
| It's so much easier for us to empathize with the guy that we talk about on a daily basis for several years now if he has that moment of long pause because he experiences empathy. | ||
| It's so much harder. | ||
| Right! | ||
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Exactly! | |
| It's so much harder for us to actually really Finally put the nail in the coffin of this is a human without human empathy or impulses or anything whatsoever. | ||
| Because if that pause is purely profit-based, then this is a non-human. | ||
| Like, this is a pure serial killer. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's a salesman who doesn't care about the consequences. | ||
| I know, but that's a serial killer. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So at this point in the show, Alex is like, he's taken some calls and he's done his business talking to people about Sandy Hook and what have you. | ||
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Of course. | |
| But he has a report. | ||
| He has a special report that he and Aaron Dykes have put together about the Mayan apocalypse that's coming up. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Because it is December 2012. | ||
| It's December 2012, so the 21st is whenever it's going to go down. | ||
| And so he... | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the middle, like, towards the end of the show, he does this. | ||
| He throws to this, like, five-minute special report. | ||
| Could there be a worse day for it to fall on deaf ears? | ||
| I think that he just put so much work into doing it that he's like, there's no goddamn way that I'm not playing this. | ||
| We're not bumping it. | ||
| And then secondarily, I think he's like, the news... | ||
| I'm out of my league. | ||
| I'm fucking this up. | ||
| There's more information coming out. | ||
| I need to get off air. | ||
| So he just goes to this special report. | ||
| We're going to skip this network break coming up because this news is so important. | ||
| Plus we have this report we've worked on for weeks breaking down the fact that 2012, December 21st is not the end of the world. | ||
| We've got this that Aaron Dykes put together with myself. | ||
| We're going to air that in a moment. | ||
| He skips a break. | ||
| In order to play this special report. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And spoiler alert, it's just A, the Mayans didn't say that it was the end of the world, but guess what? | ||
| Chimeras! | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not chimeras! | ||
| Vaccines. | ||
| Wait, did the Mayans invent chimeras? | ||
| No, it's just a special report where it's like, the Mayan apocalypse shit is bullshit, but also be afraid of all the things I tell you, because they could destroy the entire world! | ||
| I'm really surprised by that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's one of those weird things where he's trying to tell you to be, hey, be cool about this. | ||
| Don't get into sensationalism. | ||
| You know who's afraid of the Mayan apocalypse? | ||
| Liberals. | ||
| Liberals. | ||
| Don't get into that fear. | ||
| I have a better fear. | ||
| It's that. | ||
| The government! | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| But not snakes. | ||
| It's a super long report. | ||
| It goes across a commercial brick. | ||
| And then in the final minutes of the show, Alex says this. | ||
| Bring things home a little bit. | ||
| Teacher's son, 24, shoots dead 29, including 22 children at Connecticut Elementary as he and second shooter massacre cowering students in the worst school shooting in American history. | ||
| And that is an inside job right there. | ||
| Either way, you cut it. | ||
| I bet money that woman was a super liberal. | ||
| I bet money. | ||
| Because that's what I said. | ||
| I said, I bet he's in his 20s, a big video gamer, a trendy. | ||
| And I said that to Jakari and Melissa Melton and David Knight back there in their office. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, he's 20-something, yeah. | ||
| And then we found his photo. | ||
| And, you know, it may just be a nut. | ||
| It may be staged. | ||
| You know they're going to use it, though. | ||
| Heaven help us. | ||
| But the media is saying, here's the guy's photo, but then there's other photos of a guy with the same name. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Hey, if your angle is who knows, don't say these sorts of things. | ||
| If your angle is who knows, then you can't be speculating that this might be fake. | ||
| You can't do both of those things. | ||
| And that's what he's doing. | ||
| He's trying to play both sides. | ||
| And the reason he's doing that is because he believes it was fake. | ||
| And he just is unwilling to say it. | ||
| We have one last clip, and that is how he ends the show. | ||
| And it is just more... | ||
| Well, notice it didn't happen the last few years, and now that Obama's coming in with gun control, magically these shootings are popping up. | ||
| I mean, heaven help us, folks. | ||
| Pray for no copycats. | ||
| Pray for no copycats. | ||
| That's literally the end of the show. | ||
| This didn't happen, and now Obama's second term is starting, and as he's already said earlier, he wants to take your guns, so of course this is happening in order to take your guns. | ||
| The implicit piece behind that is Obama and whoever his minions are behind the scenes made this happen in order to give them an excuse to take your guns. | ||
| I think, like, I mean... | ||
| On one very substantial level, there is no reason for us to do further investigation. | ||
| Because at the beginning of this episode, I told you one of the only other targets that really makes sense is Alex's modern-day perception that he tries to put forth that he just, he thought it was real, but then these other forces led him astray. | ||
| People like Wolfgang Helbig. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wolfgang Helbig has nothing to do with this episode. | ||
| He didn't show up at all. | ||
| Even Steve Pachenik didn't show up at all. | ||
| Alex, on his own accord, is talking himself into believing this is fake by his own instincts on the episode The Day of Sandy Hook. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I don't think that this investigation... | ||
| I mean, it's a closed case already. | ||
| I want to continue with it to see where it develops from here. | ||
| Because I know that his narratives are going to get worse. | ||
| Once he starts to get those quote-unquote anomalies that he talks about, like Anderson Cooper's nose and what have you. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see how bad it gets. | ||
| But the day it happened, he spent all of his time trying to insinuate and indoctrinate his audience into thinking it's fake. | ||
| He has no room to breathe on this at all. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| One of the reasons that I am interested in this is because just like when we started this show, just like when we did 2015, and just like when we did 2009, I am all of a sudden asking myself all over again, who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| Who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| He's a chameleon. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| He's a chameleon. | ||
| You're not acting like 2017, Alex Jones. | ||
| You're not acting like 2015, Alex Jones. | ||
| You're not acting like 2009, Alex Jones. | ||
| Who the fuck are you? | ||
| He's 2012, Alex Jones. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Nefarious. | ||
| He's like a chameleon if all the shades were bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is that a shade of... | ||
| That's a new emotion that I've been doing lately. | ||
| Just bad. | ||
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I am. | |
| Might be a new one to him, too. | ||
| I'm interested to see where this goes. | ||
| I have no fucking idea how bad this is going to get, and I apologize in advance if it gets really bad. | ||
| It's going to get really bad. | ||
| But for now, I think what we walk away from this first episode with is a very, very clear sense that from the first second that he knew this was real bad. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because at the beginning of the episode, he didn't know how bad it was, and he didn't give a shit. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| But once he knew how bad it was, every impulse that he had was, say it's fake, and then weird parts of himself were fighting against overly committing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I think we'll get some clues as we go forward as to why he restrained himself. | ||
| I hope. | ||
| I fucking hope. | ||
| Because otherwise, that's going to fucking keep me up at night. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Is it fillyourhand.com? | ||
| That is a place you can go to that will redirect. | ||
| To knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Also, we are at Facebook. | ||
| We're at Facebook? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| Where people point out that I don't know what a goddamn fuck Ebony is. | ||
| You are really upset about that. | ||
| I'm so stupid. | ||
| It looks like a rock. | ||
| It's such a massive blind spot to me that I never even considered looking into. | ||
| It looks like a rock. | ||
| Infuriating. | ||
| If you see Ebony sculptures, they look like rocks. | ||
| Legitimately feel the dumbest I've ever felt in my entire life. | ||
| That's okay, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Own it, accept it, move forward. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I'm wrong. | ||
| I'm an idiot. | ||
| We're also on iTunes. | ||
| We are on iTunes. | ||
| And Overcast, from what I hear. | ||
| I've said it in the past. | ||
| I've said it in the past. | ||
| So, guys, thank you all so much for listening. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| And we'll be back with another episode on Friday. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| It might actually be another Sandy Hook episode. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I might be just... | ||
| This might be a barreling... | ||
| We might finish this investigation in two weeks. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I'm super not interested in whatever he's doing in the present day. | ||
| He's already told people, like, it's time to kill soon. | ||
| You'll know it when you see it. | ||
| What the fuck else are we going to find that's going to be, like, shocking? | ||
| I suppose the day he says it's time to kill now? | ||
| He'll never do that, though. | ||
| He knows better. | ||
| At the end of the day, he's a coward. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Politically, it's time to kill. | |
| Politically, it's time to kill. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I'm not sure the present... | ||
| Has any interest to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's a decent chance Friday might be another fucking Sandy Hook thing because I want to see where this goes. | ||
| But until then, I will say that Larry Grathwall is a real piece of shit. | ||
| No, he did kill people. | ||
| I was going to say he was in fucking Numb. | ||
| I really don't think we have anyone on this episode who has not killed a guy. | ||
| Bill Ayers was tertiary involved in this episode because of Larry Grathwell. | ||
| I don't believe that Bill Ayers has ever killed anybody. | ||
| I'll give him the credit that he's never killed anybody. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But one guy technically has, and that's Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |