December 14, 2012’s Sandy Hook episode reveals Alex Jones’ immediate pivot from tragedy to false-flag theories—dismissing victims as pawns in Obama’s gun control agenda while citing "anomalies" like Anderson Cooper’s nose or DARPA’s alleged role in the Aurora shooting. He deflects with abortion/vaccine tangents, later calling it an "inside job," yet avoids outright denial until forced by callers. Jones’ shifting stances—from vague skepticism to explicit conspiracy—expose a pattern of exploiting trauma for profit, prioritizing narrative over truth or empathy. [Automatically generated summary]
Oh, the only reason I even thought that Lyme disease was a thing that happened for a long time was because in the documentary The Punk Singer, Kathleen Hanna, lead singer of Bikini Kill, Lati Gray, Riot Girl Extraordinaire, she was saying that the main reason that she stopped performing was because she had Lyme disease and it was an ongoing thing.
So I just want to clarify fully that any of the things that I was saying in no way should have been interpreted as I think it's a good idea to ever hit a kid.
Yeah, no.
I think I made that clear, but just in case I didn't, I want to come out full-throatedly on that side.
And then secondarily, in the same way that you saw that documentary, and that led you to believe that chronic Lyme disease was a chronic thing and all that, I too think I was operating off bad information of my understanding of spanking being appropriate in some situations, according to the American Psychological Association.
I think I was wrong.
I was misled probably by some interviews that I had heard in the past.
I've decided that based on the soft launch that I suggested in our Monday episode, I decided as soon as it came out of my mouth that I was going to do it.
So, for a long time now, I've wanted to dig deeper into exactly what Alex Jones was up to in the aftermath of the shooting spree at Sandy Hook.
Yes.
I've largely avoided doing so because it seems horrifying, you know, trying to reconcile the reality of the pain that was brought into so many people's lives with the warped reality that will inevitably be the way that Alex covers the events and uses them to push his narratives.
Ultimately, I sat with those feelings and decided that this was something that I had to do.
We know that Alex told his audience that Sandy Hook was a fake event with actors as recently as late 2015, and that he'd been saying stuff like that for a while.
But we don't know a ton more than that.
For me, that is unsatisfying.
I know that he's lying about how he covered the tragedy, but I believe that it's in everyone's best interests for us to learn more so we can have a fuller understanding of why Alex is lying to cover up his past actions.
Today, we're embarking on a new investigation to figure out exactly what Alex Jones did in his coverage of Sandy Hook.
There will obviously be parts of this that are going to be difficult to hear, but I promise you that we will do our best to be respectful to everyone who merits that consideration, who is everyone except Alex Jones, pretty much in this circumstance.
So he's also claimed that after he heard about the shootings, that he thought it really happened and only started questioning if it was a false flag after hearing about quote-unquote anomalies, like the classic case of Anderson Cooper's nose disappearing.
And that Alex heard about these anomalies from people like Wolfgang Helbig.
So at this point, we don't really know if that claim is true.
So that's one thing we can look into.
Did Alex get swayed?
Beyond that, as unspecific as this is, I want to simply observe how the narrative develops and becomes his editorial position.
At a time that he was pretty much so far under the radar that he could get away with whatever slander he wanted, how did Alex play his hand?
I have no idea what we're going to find, but I'm as ready to learn that Alex was restrained in his coverage and misled by idiots as I am ready to learn that he was the one leading the bandwagon of dumb dums down a terrible road.
I don't know.
We will find out as we go along.
We will see.
And I promise that I will approach this with as open a mind as I can, as is our tradition.
Now, it's very weird.
I wrote out that introduction to this just because I wanted to be a little bit clearer than necessarily just us talking in terms of where we're going, why I decided to jump into this, because it could get ugly.
But also, I should say for this first episode that we're doing, episode one of this investigation is going to just cover December 14th, 2012, which is the day of the shooting.
And I'll say that as soft of a caveat as this is, this could have been way worse.
I don't think that the idea of us going over Alex Jones' response to Sandy Hook obviously brings up images in people's heads of something that's horrifying to listen to and like, oh my God.
And I think we'll get to some of that stuff.
But for today, it's pretty soft going.
So don't turn this off thinking you're going to be horrified today.
Thank you so much for joining us the 14th day of December 2012.
And there is a reported school shooting in Connecticut, one of the states that has draconian restrictions on gun ownership.
Reportedly, right now, it looks like only the gunman is dead.
But the media will hype the living daylights out of this.
So anytime somebody goes crazy, the first thing pops in their head is go to a victim disarmament zone, a free fire zone where it's guaranteed no one is armed.
So the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut began at 9.35 a.m. and was over when Adam Lanza shot himself at approximately 9.40 a.m.
Those are Eastern times.
So it would actually be 8.35 to 8.40 a.m. in Alex's time.
And it's important to consider that he doesn't start his show until 11 a.m. or noon Eastern time.
All this is to say that there were over two hours from the end of the shootings to when Alex got on air.
I know that it was a developing story, but there's no reason for him to be so unaware of the situation at this point in the day if he's presenting it as if he has an opinion on it.
If he wants to say that there's breaking news and we will cover it as details come in, that's kind of a fairly responsible way to deal with these sorts of things.
The idea of leading the show with it when you don't really have any information is not good.
No.
That is a not good thing to do.
But you saw exactly right there, and I think it's a terrible way to start, that it's just immediately into gun defense.
But also probably shouldn't surprise anybody.
He will later complain about liberals tweeting about gun reform so quick after the shootings when an hour earlier in his show he did the exact same thing.
See, but that's unfair right now because as you heard there, the information that Alex is operating off of, now whether he should have had better information or not is another question.
But the information he's operating off of is just the gunman is down.
And I don't believe that this is the first time that the information came out, but on that day at 1.40 Eastern Time, the police gave a press conference where they confirmed a lot of details and stuff like that.
Which is in the middle of Alex's show.
But I think that, as I recall, reporting was coming out that he maybe should have been aware that this wasn't a situation where just a gunman was down and no other fatalities.
But that is the story as he's presenting it at the beginning of the show.
So it's kind of fair to look at it and be like, okay, if you think that that's the story, I understand why you can then do a regular show.
The closest this feeling that is more and more dominating me, the closest I can describe it is to the few times I've been really hurt bad, out in the middle of nowhere and a limb is broken or a finger's chopped off or you're helping friends that are mangled.
Is that cold, focused understanding of we got to do something about this, we've got to.
We've got to just hold it together and stay focused, and there's going to be a lot at the end of the tunnel.
So I find it incredibly Interesting to hear Alex describe how he's feeling in late 2012, because what he's describing is not some heightened level of focus.
That legitimately sounds like a medical condition.
Now, obviously, he's just exaggerating to make himself sound like he's tapped into some kind of cosmic understanding.
But for fun, I'm going to pretend he's actually talking to a doctor about what he's experiencing, and I'm going to play a differential game and diagnose him.
So, what Alex is clearly expressing is an adrenal condition.
He says the best way to describe what he's feeling is this thing that he says is dominating him is to compare it to times he's been very hurt or times he's seen someone else mangled.
In those situations, your body is flooded with adrenaline, which is part of the fight or flight reaction that you have.
Everything he's describing perfectly fits with talking about adrenaline, and it would make sense that what he's actually talking about is having a condition where his body is unable to control its production and release of adrenaline.
So, if that were the case, what symptoms would you expect to see?
One possible cause of elevated adrenaline levels is the adrenal gland condition Cushing syndrome.
Along with excess adrenaline, what else would you expect to see with someone with that condition?
So, like I said, Alex still thinks that this is no big deal, Sandy Hook.
He has no real concern in talking about it.
He just wants to talk about how he has new emotions.
Right.
And that, you know, we got Jim Tucker with his news and what have you.
At this point in the show, Alex finds out that Sandy Hook is way worse than he thought.
So at the beginning of the episode, like I said, we can give him the benefit of the doubt that he thinks it was a foiled shooting or something like that.
So we can give him a pass on not knowing a lot of the details.
But by this point, in this next clip, Alex knows for a fact that children were killed at that school.
They were first reporting that they'd shot the shooter.
And now it looks like at least one child killed and some others wounded.
And the shooter is the father of the student.
You know, I like Christmas trees and I like Christmas, but I don't like the big commercial stress and everybody's so stressed out.
And I can just feel the bad vibes during the holidays.
27 dead.
Okay, this is, and oh my God.
And you notice at CBS News, you notice they kept this, you notice they kept this quiet for a long time with it cordoned off, always a bad sign like Columbine.
If that CBS News headline is right, you notice this is happening right as the second term comes in and Obama has said even if Congress doesn't act, he's going to physically try to take all handguns and rifles.
I mean, he's not saying it's fake, but literally everything he says after learning about the reality of this tragedy is to reinforce future narratives that he's going to push about it being fake.
Yeah.
So when I set out to do this investigation, investigation close.
I literally thought it would take us more than 35 minutes to find him implying that Sandy Hook was fake.
Well, because at the beginning, the first clip, you could go on that, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he thought it was a different situation than it was.
Now that the reality has come to bear and he realizes there are a bunch of kids that got shot in this, he still doesn't have any of the real facts.
He thinks it was the dad and it was one student at first, and then a second later, like, oh my God, it's a lot more kids.
But all that is, all that is.
Him comparing it to Columbine because he thinks Columbine was a false flag.
And then talking about the timing of this Obama's second term, and he's trying to take the guns.
He didn't come out and say Sandy Hook is a false flag.
But he was 85% inclined to say that.
There were every inclination, every little thing there is just like, oh, CBS took too long to report it.
That's a bad sign.
Oh, do you mean report things responsibly in concert with the cops instead of just randomly saying that it was some asshole getting a whole large amount of people to go fucking grab torches and pitchforks towards the wrong guy?
No, they waited until they could report responsibly, unlike you, you fucking moron.
And as we'll see as this episode goes on and more unverified news things come out, those are the sorts of things as they come out that Alex uses to point out like they covered this up later.
Like the idea that there was talk of a possibility of a second shooter.
That comes out later as Alex is on air.
And that will be something that in the future he uses as like they said that there were two shooters and then they covered it up.
When in reality, that was just reflecting the fact that there was a police like walkie-talkie communication or whatever, telling people to be cautious of the idea that there could be two shooters and the fact that someone was arrested in the woods behind the school who was unrelated to the shooting.
So you've cut clips and I just need to confirm at no point did he even take a second to be like, I mean, even the fake Republican thoughts and prayers.
Did he even bother with the bullshit platitudes that these guys who secretly think the same thing that Alex is thinking, which is, oh, no, they're going to try and take guns away.
We better say thoughts and prayers in order to avoid it.
And no, there's no real moment where he shows genuine care for the people who were the victims of this outside of crocodile tears on the verge of his fake crying voice.
But it's always talking about how they're going to take the guns and this is going to cause a civil war.
He does talk about, oh, this is so bad in unspecific ways.
And then there's one point in the episode where he talks about thinking about these kids and he's seen pictures from the school from a month ago or something like that someone posted.
And the only way he can even emotionally connect to it is thinking about his own daughter.
So if that's what it takes you to get there, fine.
But there is a complete absence of, except from people who aren't named Alex on this show.
Yeah.
There's a guest that comes up and at least one caller who expressed like, I can't imagine what these people are going through, that sort of thing.
But from Alex, there's very, very little of that.
There is another thing, but we'll get to it later that I don't have clips of.
I just wanted it confirmed so nobody thought that it was like, oh, we're only cutting the clips that make him look like the complete and utter monster he is.
And that it was like, it's literally his first response is never, I'm sorry, or I hope that this isn't.
That clip isn't edited in any way except for a start and end point, that one where he learns of what the tragedy is, and you saw what his immediate reaction was.
That, I think, is exactly what Alex would want all of his response to have been.
Because that is, as awful as it is, that's something I think he could be defensible about.
Because everyone else in the right wing now, in response to Parkland, is saying very similar things.
And if Alex's take on it was, this is a real event, I'm worried about the idea that they'll take my guns because of it, that's not as monstrous as saying it didn't happen or is actors are staged or anything like that.
So I think that he would want that to be just it.
And unfortunately, even on this episode, it's not.
We've already heard him speculate that it's staged.
You've already heard him introduce kernels of a narrative that he's going to water as seeds to grow into an ebony tree.
They are now saying 27 dead, including 14 children at the elementary school.
I know Connecticut has some pretty strict gun laws.
We are just a very sick society.
We've aborted 50, it was 53 million babies now.
I'm always using the 50 million number.
It's grown.
And we make troops serve five, six, seven tours until they break down.
So many people now are on Prozac type drugs that they admit in their own trials caused a, what was it, in the Eli Lilly trials in 1980, a 15-fold increase in suicide.
We don't have time to get into those Eli Lilly studies today.
He's misrepresenting that shit pretty hard.
But you heard in there.
You got abortion, the way we treat the troops, Prozac, harsh gun laws in Connecticut.
Four culprits other than reality in, what was that, 40 seconds of him trying to wrestle with this.
It's pretty interesting because you can see manipulation.
You can see evasiveness.
You can see all of it happening as he tries to figure out where are we going to land on this.
Because it's hard.
If you're Alex Jones, this is not the day you want to come into work for.
You're wishing David Knight was hosting that day.
You wish you accidentally had called in sick or something like that because figuring out where to plant your flag is something that's always expected of him.
So when he comes into the studio and he's blindsided by a bit of news that is like, oh, Jesus Christ, he's in a position where he needs to stake a claim.
And you can hear already him trying to ambivalently do the fake false flag stuff, but then also kind of being unwilling to fully commit.
And I think that that is the part of his brain that he really should have run with, that part that was unwilling to commit.
Even though I am a human being in 2012 who has emotions and who can absolutely empathize with the fact that these people lost their children, I have to, for my job, pretend they're nothing.
But if we have these indications that are parts of the propaganda that we've used about other events, if some of those things line up, we'll let you know.
Now, no matter what his position is, because I think it does develop and even change throughout the course of this one day of his show, but nothing changes about the idea that he's saying, if it's real, they're going to use it to take our guns.
If it's fake, they're going to use it to take our guns.
So, see, once you've seen this a few dozen times over and over again, and you notice the timing of it all and the fact that the gun culture is the one area we're beating them.
And if we beat them in any area, I want to say it's fake!
Despite all their propaganda, people know the government wants our guns to enslave us.
And people now want guns because of the crazies and the violent people that are out there.
Because you know you're good and you have a right to protect yourself.
But Obama has signaled that he may use executive orders as he's done in other areas outside of Congress to physically ban handguns and rifles that are semi-auto.
And that will start a civil war.
Not everybody's going to turn them in.
And I've had a feeling of dread.
Before the shooting even started, I talked to my wife this morning and I said, I'm saying at the start of the show, but this had already begun.
We thought only the government was dead then.
I'm always honest with you.
I never tell the crew this except every once in a while.
The day before they had the fake bin Laden raid, I said, I have a really bad feeling of dread.
And I think that there's a couple important things to consider here.
One, the callers that you hear on Alex's show cannot be taken in any other way than as being the people he has trained.
Inasmuch as they listen to his show.
And like back in the day, they would never say like, hey, hey, Alex, before I start my question, I want to pimp your products or whatever.
But nowadays, they do because they have had the reinforcement mechanism of, I will take your call if you promote my product to begin with, or whatever.
People learn Pavlovian kind of responses.
But everyone who calls in his show, they're all his fans.
Even the people who he says, I take calls that disagree with me, they're usually about style over substance.
But those people are still reflecting the training that Alex has given them by the rhetoric that he puts out into the world.
Now that we're going to see this caller, and he's going to ask Alex, was it fake?
And the reason that that's important to remember that these are basically Alex's students who are calling in is because Alex has created this worldview in the post-9-11 world where I know he wasn't the only person saying it was a false flag, but he was one of the loudest mouthpieces who was and who consistently does call things fake that aren't fake.
So the people who were calling in are ahead of Alex in terms of the narrative.
They know that Alex is it's only a matter of time before he calls them.
He doesn't say that it's fake in response, but it is, you can hear the yes under the skin of his mouth, the little mouth inside his mouth, the alien mouth.
Well, I've just been following online, and what I was going to bring up was something you already addressed, and that was the possibility of being a staged act.
And with James Holmes saying that he was an Anturian candidate, people like these who are doing these shootings being put in place by some agency or the government to promote a gun grab or keep the public in fear.
Because this is happening every week that seems to be escalating, you know, to happen more and more frequently.
When they staged these things, we know Columbine was staged.
We need to go back and do a whole article on how they reported four different gunmen.
There were 127 bombs in the building.
Half the school was empty.
There was a stand down.
There were government mind control programs connected to both of the youth.
They were both on drugs.
The Riddle and Proz Act touched both.
But now the Atlantic Wire is reporting there was also reports of a second shooter who may be at large.
So it's always that same report.
The current also said there are unconfirmed reports of two shooters, one dead and one at large.
So then again, there can be false reports of that too, except when somebody else opens the door, when smoke grenades get thrown from both sides, when the people are in government programs, and when the police order stand down so shooters can go longer, if all these normal telltale signs start coming out, regardless, the White House is going to use this to go after our guns.
I just want to say to that caller, go fucking fuck yourself, you dumb fuck.
How can you honestly look at that and be like, it seems like these are happening with more frequency, and then be like, well, clearly that's the government ramping up their let's steal your guns program.
Can't graduate community college to get this degree.
This is going to be such an interesting investigation just based on the fact alone that not fact, but like Sandy Hook is one of those flashpoints in history you can point to where we didn't do anything about it then.
Maybe the best horror writers in the world could come up with some realistic scenario of something that would shock us more than the idea of someone coming to a school with automatic weapons, shooting out a window, and killing a bunch of children in school.
But it's hard to fathom something worse than that happening.
You can see on this episode already that this investigation will lead us in strange directions, but it's ultimately unnecessary.
You just go back to the day, you see exactly what he's putting out into the world.
It's an abject desire for it to be fake.
It is a complete, like, it's an ambivalence based on, I think, a recognition on his part, number one, as you pointed out, that on a conscious cognitive level, he knows it was real.
And second, he doesn't know how to spin it.
So he probably does need those people like Wolfgang Hellbig to come around to justify the thing that he wants to say.
We'll deal with that when he brings it back up on an episode where we have the bandwidth to take care of it.
But for now, all that's important is that Alex believes that that was a false flag shooting, and he's comparing it to the situation in Sandy Hook, which he's done over and over again.
He thinks that Colin Byne is fake.
He's comparing Sandy Hook to that.
He believes that Ted Kaczynski was directed to do his male bombings by being part of the MK Ultra program and the feds made him do it.
False flag, blah, blah, blah.
He's comparing that to Sandy Hook.
Every single thing that he's comparing the events to that he's covering are things that he believes are fake.
And that's not a coincidence.
I don't know what a real shooting in his mind is, quite frankly.
I don't know if I've ever heard him cover something that was like, this happened, boy, does it suck.
I guess actually, like, when white protesters are hit.
But I don't know if I've ever actually heard, and I know that it's probably partially because I haven't heard every episode of his show.
I believe, much like there's probably a real use of a source, there's probably an example of a shooting that he believes is real.
But he's not comparing Sandy Hook to any of those potential examples.
He's only comparing what's going on to all of these things he's built up with his rhetoric to be triggers in his audience's mind of things that are fake.
And he's doing that for a very specific reason.
And that is to prime them, to prime the pump of the narrative.
That is exactly what we've already said.
I love that we already got to it, but just that idea of like everyone who's listening knows where he's going.
Everything is just a means to an end, and that is profoundly inethical.
So, in this next clip, Alex, this is where I think it sort of drifts into like, I think we've already seen things that I would not like to see anyone do, like reporting news, certainly.
But at the same time, there's still not like there's not indications that he's saying overt things that like this was fake or anything like that.
And he doesn't in this next clip either, but this is where I think he's putting his toe a little too far over the line.
There is a moment where Alex, I believe, from all of my research in Alex and knowing how his brain works, I think he almost says this is fucking bullshit.
This was fake.
And he stops himself.
I'm very sure from listening to this a couple times that he really held his tongue.
He's, like I said at the beginning of this episode, he's so far under the radar at this point.
No one gave a shit.
He was saying clearly defamatory things about tons of people already at this point.
And he'd gotten away with it for years.
He's having a great reason to fear that.
What is holding him back?
And I'm not sure what that is.
And I think the best argument, just because we are all people, and even Alex as a monster is still a person, I think it's exactly what you were talking about earlier, and that is that he knows this is real.
There's a part of him that is that Bit of humanity.
Oh, do you mean like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon where they go over the edge and look down?
Like they go over the edge of the cliff and they're standing there and then they look down and then they was trying to use a real-world example, but yes.
You can regroup for Sunday, and that'll be our next episode.
But in this next clip, Alex is taking calls, and he gets a call from a guy in Connecticut.
And this guy is just spouting unfounded rumors left and right and talking about things that really have nothing to do with the shooting at all, really.
One of the things he talks about is the idea that he went to a bowling alley and that there were some buses of kids from Sandy Hook High School who were there at the bowling alley bowling while the shooting was taking place.
I would say that, first of all, those are two different schools.
Sure, same school district and what have you, but very different schools.
Also, I know that from when I was in high school, I took zero-hour bowling because I needed a PE credit and I wasn't going to fucking take another PE class at the school.
So I went in and they had buses that would take us to the bowling alley.
Which this episode so far has been like, I started out saying that he's 85% leaning towards it being a false flag, and everything he says just goes up 1%, 1% to where that is, and we're like, this is 99% a false flag.
And also, eagle-eared listeners will remember that when we talked about the Charleston shooting with Dylan Roof, his way of deflecting from the horror of that was to talk about abortion.
That idea of like, they kill all these babies.
You think they don't care?
They're not killing anybody.
You know, that sort of thing is his way of dehumanizing that event, like any kind of mass murder that is inconvenient for him.
What is the signs that you're talking about, Alex?
Because the signs that I'm seeing, I mean, we used to see crime scenes like this, you know, some years ago, maybe when we were kids, you'd see a lot of local police.
And I would say that whatever crime this guy is imagining from his younger days doesn't match the scale of this crime.
It also doesn't match the severity, the amount of resources that were actually available in Newtown, those sorts of things needing to ask for assistance from state police.
And the FBI obviously would be interested in the worst school shooting in American history at the time.
But I kept Larry Grathwald on the show because he can speak to this.
Vietnam veteran, 65 to 66 in the 2nd 502 Infantry 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division, former FBI Weather Underground informant, who quoted Obama confidant and former leader of the Weatherman is stating that those Americans who could not be re-educated in communist camps after the revolution would be eliminated in Mao Cultural Revolution.
So Larry Grathwalt was a Vietnam vet, but he's most well known as the guy who claimed that he had infiltrated the Weather Underground and uncovered a plot helmed by Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn to foment a cultural revolution in America.
Their plan was to take conservatives to re-education camps, and if they refused to get with the program, they would be killed.
In an absurd interview from 1982, Grathwalt claimed that the Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans, and Russians would seek to occupy parts of the United States, which the Weather Underground was totally cool with because they were more concerned with the, quote, counter-revolution, which, of course, is supposed to be Alex's patriot weirdos.
He claims that unnamed, but it's assumed to be Bill Ayers, members of the Weather Underground told him that they estimated that 25 million people were not just going to go along and get on board with what they were doing, presumably because they were die-hard capitalists and thus would need to be killed.
Nothing that he's ever said about the Weather Underground or Bill Ayers has ever been supported by anything other than his claims.
There's no evidence of any of this stuff.
And since he was working as a mole for the FBI, it seems weird that none of this ever led to any real charges.
He was never wearing a wire.
He never produced anything in writing or even had any corroborating witnesses come forward.
But that has not stopped him from being hero-worshipped by the anti-communist propaganda circles that we cover so often.
They don't depend so much on actual evidence as they do the appearance of evidence.
So everything Grathwald was, it was exactly what they needed to reinforce their arguments that communism is a menace that seeks to kill all who oppose it, even in modern days.
And their tentacles have invaded all the halls of academia in America.
In 2016, when Alex Jones finally got to sit down with Bill Ayers, Alex confronted him with talk about Larry Grathwal.
Well, I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff the FBI have done, but it's pretty much a creature of whatever, whoever runs the Justice Department and the White House.
Of the Justice Department he was under, but he ⁇ so I think there's good people and bad people in there is what I'm saying.
I believe that when you guys recruited him and reportedly tried to get him to train you in military tactics, I mean, I think it was good to stop violence.
And in 1969, Nixon's attorney general was John N. Mitchell.
For those of you who don't know what John N. Mitchell got up to in his career, in the lead up to the 1968 election, representatives of Nixon's campaign sabotaged the Paris peace talks that would have effectively ended the Vietnam War.
They did this specifically to ensure that Nixon won the election, as they had told allies in South Vietnam that Nixon could offer them a better peace deal than the Johnson administration could.
LBJ had recordings of everything that have since been released where he discussed the situation with his advisor, Richard Russell.
And what do you know?
John N. Mitchell was deeply involved in trying to spread the anti-Johnson sentiment among our allies while simultaneously contacting the North Vietnamese and telling them similar things.
Because Nixon lacked the political baggage that LBJ had, he could give them a better deal, too.
The actions of John N. Mitchell led to the continuation of a pointless war that could have ended sooner, and he did it for purely political motives.
You would think that someone like Larry Grathwall, a Vietnam vet, wouldn't want to work with that kind of a guy.
In another call, LBJ spoke with Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and explicitly called what Nixon's people were doing treason, to which Dirksen replied, quote, I know.
At the time, Mitchell was Nixon's campaign manager and ran operations for the campaign.
In February 1975, John Mitchell was also found guilty of conspiracy obstruction of justice and perjury for his role in planning the Watergate break-in.
Throughout his time as Attorney General, Mitchell spent all of his political capital attacking left-leaning groups.
Immediately after Nixon won the election, he told a reporter, quote, This country is going so far to the right, you won't recognize it.
And he made good on his word, seeking to disrupt civil rights groups and anti-war groups at every turn.
Also, he ran the Committee for the Re-election of the President, or as many people call it, Creep, which was ostensibly a fundraising arm of the Nixon 1972 re-election campaign, but really was mostly about money laundering and creating slush funds in order to pay the Watergate burglars.
Anyway, my point here is that given the circumstances and lack of any substantiating evidence, I see literally no reason to put any stock into what Larry Grathwall says.
Absent any other proof, I think Bill Ayer's explanation that he's a liar who was paid by a criminal department of justice is probably the most sensible conclusion here.
Alex is just having him on, even though huge news broke, because Larry's story helps build Alex's budding narrative that the Sandy Hook shooting was fake.
Larry's story was that in order to reshape society to fit their desires, the Weather Underground was willing to kill 25 million people.
It's not true, but it goes a long way toward helping a struggling audience come to terms with the idea that these people would also be willing to kill children in order to reach their goal.
What I'm saying is that the fact that Alex didn't bump Larry Grathwall and bumped other people speaks volumes about his intentions.
Or whatever, but he doesn't bump him because he knows that there's something that will help feed the narrative that he's working on in continuing the interview.
And I think, like I said, I think that speaks to intent.
Those are the biggest left terrorist groups that exist.
And yeah, it's very different than the people who just shoot abortion doctors.
Anyway, I bring all that up, and I wanted to talk about the history of the people that Larry Grathwald was working for because they don't fit whatever benign version Alex would like to present of his work.
Like, legitimately, Alex, as what he presents himself to be, should be super against this guy.
But he's not.
Because it suits his interests.
And he's having him on, like I said, specifically because the anti-weather underground narrative that says that they wanted to kill 25 million people, which Alex says was the globalists doing.
And was also like, when he was calling what they were doing treason, it was like in these conversations, they're like, I don't think it should enter the campaign that they're doing.
And one of the reasons that he didn't run is because he was told by doctors, because of his family's history of dying young, he was told by his doctors that he would die within four years.
And one of the reasons he didn't run is because he said that the American people had enough presidents dying in office.
And then he died four years later.
Like, he died in the exact year that his doctors predicted he would die.
That doesn't take away from the fact that there were nefarious actors in Nixon's camp specifically doing that shit, and one of them was John Mitchell, who was the head, who was the attorney general who, you know, the buck stops with him in terms of whatever Larry Grathwall was doing.
So I wanted to spend a little time on that just because I think it's interesting.
And I haven't heard an episode other than this one where Larry actually shows up.
Because he dies.
I don't remember when he died, but he died by the time most of our episodes cover like in the 2015 era.
Alex talks about interviewing his daughter and stuff like that, but I'd never actually heard him be on the show.
And he is the person actually that when you ask me, does Alex say anything human?
Larry Grathwell, his response when Alex asks him, based on your experience with the Weather Underground wanting to kill 25 million people, do you think that they would do this in order to get our guns?
The answer at the end of a rambling, very long answer is meh.
But at the same time, in that, he was like, I can't imagine what it must be like for these people.
So in this next clip, when we were talking about earlier the idea that like there's misreporting early and that sort of thing happens, Alex is now going to treat the idea that people had reported various things.
Like, there's talk that there might be a second shooter or stuff like that.
Sure, sure.
As more information comes to the surface, they realize that that report of the second shooter is now invalidated by more reporting.
But as we're talking about that clip, the only way that that clip makes sense, because he's saying we need to talk to them before they get threatened, was there a drill there, is the only way you say that is if you believe with no evidence that there was a drill there and that people will be threatened in order to cover it up.
So if there is no evidence there, it means that you didn't get there quick enough and everyone's been threatened and they won't talk.
And if someone tells you that there was a drill, then great.
I do still think he's on the right side of legality, probably, at this point.
It's kind of hard to say because of what he's saying implies and you know how his audience will hear it.
But he's not saying the things like in the 2015 clip that we go back to from time to time, if I'm saying this is a synthetic event, it's all actors, that sort of thing.
But with our context, with all of what we've put together, this one show where he doesn't even explicitly say it, I feel like we could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was committing a crime on this show.
Folks, I want to get your comments on what's happening, your take, your ideas.
News reports you're saying, go to Infowars.com.
Go to Enemies of Second Amendment Will Exploit Connecticut Shooting and comment in there and I'll read your comments on air of what you think's going on.
Infowars.com.
Go to the top article, Enemies of Second Amendment Will Exploit Connecticut Shooting.
So he's written Kurt Nemo, I believe, or one of these, Aaron Dykes, one of these guys, has written an article, Enemies of the Second Amendment Will Exploit Sandy Hook or the Connecticut shooting.
That's the article.
So that is already the name of the article is already biased.
But then he's saying, leave your comments in that article and I'll read them on the air.
You wouldn't do that if you wanted real information.
Who the fuck is going to leave, like, a comment on that article?
It's going to be – have you ever read the Infowars comments?
It is not a place you want to get information from.
So Alex on the show, the day of Sandy Hook being like, we got this article with a very biased headline, and what we want is you to comment in there, and I'm going to read it on the air.
It's like no one would do that if they cared.
No one would do that.
That is an indication of that's him giving the bird to the idea that he cares.
I mean, it is very much like there's no, if you recorded everything that the CEO of Smith ⁇ Wesson ever said, there is no way that he has never said, I'm kind of happy every time a mass shooting happens because our sales go up.
Oh, they're going to hype this up, and I predict there'll be some more school shootings now from real nuts because when they hype this stuff, it creates copycats.
But even take that aside, the implicit thing that he's saying is that this one isn't a real nut.
Absolutely.
There will be later real nuts who are inspired by this, but this is not a real nut.
Which, I mean, you should, you just have to cut through a little bit of what he's saying without saying it and realize this is the argument he's trying to put forth.
Absolutely.
So at this point in the show, Alex takes a call from somebody whose cousin is a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary.
Sounds like a, it sounds, the benefit of the doubt is not given to an InfoWars listener giving us secondhand information from a cousin who may or may not be a teacher.
I ruin the fun of a lot of these things because just like just trying to be like, well, hold on.
I know that as I say it, I know that there's a real good chance we will be able to prove that.
But at this point, I don't think we can.
I think that what we have is very, very, very strong indications that he wants to lie about this and his vestigial organ that controls his decency and humanity is stopping him in some way.
Right, which makes this doubly fascinating in that this might actually be the one moment that really delineates the Alex of the past that we talked about in 2009, who was still an asshole and still monstrous, but he was also that whimsical asshole who is monstrous to the Alex that we experience now, which is the irredeemable cockbag.
Those moments when he's being like, and we're pretending that that's him stopping himself.
That's our interpretation of it.
But of course, there's just based on our understanding of him and our research and experience with him, but we could also be wrong and be giving way too much of a benefit of the doubt to him.
Like, it's so much easier for us to empathize with the guy that we talk about on a daily basis for several years now if he has that moment of like long pause because he experiences empathy.
It's so much harder to relate to that.
Right, right, exactly.
It's so much harder for us to actually really finally put the nail in the coffin of this is a human without human empathy or impulses or anything whatsoever.
Because if this if that pause is purely profit-based, then this is a non-human.
No, it's just a special report where he's like, the Mayan apocalypse shit is bullshit, but also be afraid of all the things I tell you because they could destroy the entire world.
Teacher's son, 24, shoots dead 29, including 22 children at Connecticut Elementary as he and second shooter massacre cowering students in the worst school shooting in American history.
And that is an inside job right there, either way.
You cut it.
I bet money that woman was a super liberal.
I bet money.
That's what I said.
I said, I bet he's in his 20s, a big video gamer, a trendy.
I said that to Jakari and Melissa Melton and David Knight back there in their office.
And they're like, yeah, he's 20-something, young.
And we found his photo.
And, you know, it may just be a nut.
Maybe stage.
You know they're going to use it, though.
Heaven help us.
But the media is saying, here's the guy's photo, but then there's other photos, a guy with the same name.
This didn't happen, and now Obama's second term is starting.
And as he's already said earlier, he wants to take your guns.
So, of course, this is happening in order to take your guns.
The implicit piece behind that is Obama and whoever his minions are behind the scenes made this happen in order to give them an excuse to take your guns.
I think, like, I mean, on one very substantial level, there is no reason for us to do further investigation.
Because at the beginning of this episode, I told you one of the only other targets that really makes sense is Alex's modern-day perception that he tries to put forth that he just thought it was real, but then these other forces led him astray, people like Wolfgang Helbick.
One of the reasons that I am interested in this is because just like when we started this show, just like when we did 2015, and just like when we did 2009, I am all of a sudden asking myself all over again, who the fuck is this guy?
But for now, I think what we walk away from this first episode with is a very, very clear sense that from the first second that he knew this was real bad.