It's highly genetic. I think addiction is very genetic because people keep telling me that cigarettes are addictive and that nicotine is addictive. I recently got off of nicotine patches and I started taking ultra patches. Do you know what these are?

Some of the wisest people I know have been through the 12-step program. Yes. And so addiction and misery can be an unbelievable teacher if you can, if you pull yourself out of it.

When you say, when you talk about discipline, when you say, I'm just not going to do it, that works for some people, but I don't think it works for people like that. I think what they have to do is figure out a way to make sobriety more pleasurable than the other thing. And that's fucking hard.

It's crazy how that kind of addiction, addiction and mental illness is just fucking hardcore genetic. And when you have a family that has a long history of mental illness, it's very rare that you're like, I'm fine. Oh, yeah. It's very rare that you're an anomaly.