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April 29, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:32:05
Joe Rogan Experience #2491 - Brian Simpson

Joe Rogan and Brian Simpson dissect health hacks, heart attacks, and coyote expansion before diving into video game mechanics and the $100 billion nicotine economy. They debate Dr. Gundry's smoking claims, analyze cryptocurrency pump-and-dump schemes like the failed "Trump coin," and examine a Florida homeowner jailed over a million-dollar guest house. The conversation culminates in a serious discussion regarding the indictment of David Morenz for allegedly conspiring to hide communications about the COVID-19 origin, challenging established narratives on pandemic safety protocols. [Automatically generated summary]

Transcriber: CohereLabs/cohere-transcribe-03-2026, WAV2VEC2_ASR_BASE_960H, sat-12l-sm, script v26.04.01, and large-v3-turbo
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brian simpson
48:30
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jamie vernon
05:16
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joe rogan
01:12:14
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mikhail dr mike varshavski
00:33
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steven r gundry
01:37
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brian redban
00:25
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ilhan omar
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unidentified
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
joe rogan
Do you gotta get new glasses?
brian simpson
No, I just have a different pair for different stuff.
joe rogan
Did they get stronger?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No?
brian simpson
I just have a.
joe rogan
Did you always have glasses?
Like, do you have an eyeball issue?
brian simpson
Yeah, I got astigmatism.
Okay.
But I got one for driving and one for my computer.
joe rogan
I used to have to use reading glasses.
Then I started using red light therapy.
And I think that the first thing I started doing is taking this company, Pure Encapsulation, has this it's called macular support.
It's like a combination of nutrients that help your eyeballs.
I don't know how.
But I explained it to Huberman, he read it off to me, and he's like, this makes sense.
But then the big one was red light.
I started using red light therapy.
I don't need glasses anymore.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, my eyes aren't perfect.
Like in low light, they're not so good.
Like in a dark restaurant, I have to use the flashlight on my thing to read a menu, but I don't need glasses anymore.
brian simpson
So I've been wondering that is it that I'm getting older or are they just using darker light in the restaurants?
joe rogan
They definitely use dark light in restaurants.
I mean, young people can still read it.
Like I've gone to restaurants with my kids and they can read in the dark.
I'm like, you can read that?
I can't read it.
But like small print, like on my phone, like reading an email, I didn't used to be able to read it.
And now I can read it perfectly.
brian simpson
Oh, see, now I'm hitting that age now where I got to start switching.
joe rogan
Switching glasses.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Here we go.
Here we go.
joe rogan
Listen, dude, I'm just happy you're alive.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, man, I've always.
joe rogan
People don't know what we're talking about.
You had a heart attack.
brian simpson
Yes, I had a heart attack three months ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Super Bowl weekend.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
In Atlanta.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Out of nowhere.
Well, was it really out of nowhere?
Not really.
You know, like, because that's a whole.
joe rogan
Sound like you were a marathon runner.
brian simpson
Right, right, exactly.
But I was sitting there, you know, honestly, I was sitting there thinking, because I remember the doctor, because, you know, we really are, like, we've set ourselves up, we kind of deal with trauma in a not.
I mean, you can argue about whether it's healthy or not, but our first go to is humor.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And I remember the doctor getting upset with me.
Like the surgeon, the lady that was about to put a stent.
So, you know, I'm sitting there, and she was like, hey, something very serious just happened to you.
You know?
Because I was just talking.
You know, I was, but it was just how I was just coping.
You know?
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
She was not happy about it.
joe rogan
Did you tell her that's how I deal with things?
brian simpson
No, I was already all drugged up and shit.
Because it was one of the things where I think, like, you can't, they can't put you out completely.
Like, it's not that kind of anesthesia.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
brian simpson
But they, but, I think they need you to be conscious, kind of, in case something goes wrong.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
But whatever the fuck they put me on, I don't remember any of it.
joe rogan
And you were joking around and she was upset.
brian simpson
Yeah.
What happened was when I got to the hospital, the doctor that first saw me was like, I forget his name, but he was like, hey, I'm Doug and don't worry about anything.
I'm going to be with you the whole time.
You know, and then maybe 20 minutes later, you know, they're wheeling me in, they're drugging me up.
And I'm like, hey, where the fuck is Doug?
You know, and they're like, who's Doug?
I was like, he promised me.
That he wasn't gonna leave.
Obviously, I was just joking.
I know he was just saying that so I would calm down or whatever.
I don't know why Doug thought he would be bringing me comfort.
But I fake made a big deal of the fact that I felt abandoned by Doug.
And she didn't think it was funny.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
But somebody did.
And that's all I needed was the laugh.
I'm like, it's you, bitch.
It's not me.
You're the problem.
You're too serious in here.
joe rogan
Well, why would she need you to be serious if you're getting a stead put in?
Wouldn't that make it work better?
brian simpson
I mean, to be fair, I think my whole life people have said as serious as a heart attack.
And I feel like if you dedicated your life to that, you probably a serious person.
I don't know any other heart surgeons, but I bet they all pretty uptight.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have to be.
It's life or death.
With every decision that they make, right?
I guess they got to get it in on time, right?
Like, if they're going to put a stent in you, if they're going to do something, like, if you're one of those people like you are, that if you didn't address this, you would have died, right?
So, that's one of those things that's time critical.
So, I guess with those people, like, hey, stop fucking around, like, in their mind, like, I got to save you, I got to figure out what has to be done within a certain amount of time and get you on the road to recovery because if I don't, you're dead.
brian simpson
You know what?
Something else I remember.
And this was just flash because I only remember these couple seconds.
Is she kept yelling at me because I kept moving my hands?
So basically, like, I'm laid down like this, and they want you to keep your hands right by your side.
And I just remember I kept coming to with her being like, hey, keep your hands.
She might have said, keep your fucking hands down.
I don't know, though.
I don't know.
I ain't gonna make no accusations.
But she was clearly upset about it.
But I'm like, bitch, I'm on with the drugs you gave me, I'm not doing it on purpose.
Apparently, my default response, because they have to put a stent in, but they go through your groin.
unidentified
Yikes.
brian simpson
So, apparently, my default response is to protect my dick.
Like, I'm waking up, somebody's fucking around down there.
It's like, why don't y'all tie me down if it's that important?
Why don't you tie my hands down?
But maybe they can't.
I don't know.
I don't know what else is going on.
And medical people are real sensitive about criticism.
Some of them are really like, we save lives.
How dare you?
And it's like, all right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, some of y'all are still assholes, though.
joe rogan
Well, then they don't have the best sense of humor.
They can't.
Like, that's not the way you.
If you want to be a really good doctor, you can't be also a stand up comedian.
brian simpson
Yeah, well, see, the nurses have a sense of humor.
joe rogan
Right.
Nurses are fun.
brian simpson
They might as well be different species.
joe rogan
Yeah, nurses are fun.
Like, nurses come in, they joke around with you, they fuck around, like some of them do at least.
brian simpson
Yeah, and.
joe rogan
Some of them kill you.
brian simpson
Let's be honest.
In Atlanta, the nurses were incredibly attractive.
unidentified
Really?
brian simpson
There were hot nurses everywhere.
joe rogan
Damn.
brian simpson
Like nurses, and it's something about like vet techs, like working at the one, the ladies working at the vet hospitals.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
It's something about going into that field.
I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
Vet techs, you mean veterinarians?
brian simpson
Yeah, like veterinarians, yeah.
But not the doctors.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Just the nurses.
joe rogan
Just the nurses.
Well, they're people who love animals, sweet people.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
And money.
They love animals and money.
I, nobody.
joe rogan
Well, the nurses don't usually love money.
If they did, they wouldn't get into that profession.
But the veterinarian hospital certainly loves money.
The administration.
brian simpson
Speaking of which.
I can't decide which pisses me off more is like when I get the bill at the human hospital or when, because at the vet hospital, I feel like they're extorting me.
You know, like when I got the bill from this hospital, I was like, God damn.
But I was in there and they were, because they didn't walk up to me while, like before the surgery and go, what's it going to be?
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
But when it's your pet, that's what they do.
They go, we could do this life saving thing, which is the best thing to do, but it's, Way more money than you have.
Or, you know, you can be a piece of shit pet owner and get the $20 thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
They'll try to get you to take out a loan, all that.
Just really turn the screws.
joe rogan
That's awful.
brian simpson
Yeah, I don't know when the last time you had to do some serious shit for your pet.
joe rogan
Pretty recently.
Marshall swallowed a bunch of rocks.
Oh, goddamn.
Yeah, he.
Someone spilled chicken food on the gravel, and he ate all the chicken food and just kept eating and started eating gravel.
brian simpson
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
He's retarded.
He's the sweetest dog that's ever walked to face the earth, but he is not clever.
And so we bring him inside.
No one knows.
No one knows anything that happened.
And then he starts throwing up, and he's throwing up rocks, like little pebbles.
And then he starts getting diarrhea and he's diarrhea and pebbles.
I'm like, oh no.
And then we put two and two together.
We figured out what happened.
And so then I had to take him to the vet.
So I took him to the vet and he had to stay there overnight.
And luckily, they didn't have to do surgery.
They pumped it out of it.
They somehow or another got the rocks out of his stomach and they had to keep scanning it to make sure there's no rocks remaining in there.
And so he passed all the rocks.
He either threw them up or shit them out.
And then within a certain amount of time, I think he was there for at least 24 hours.
But after a certain amount of time, he started eating and then they weren't worried about him anymore.
That dog fucking eats.
He just, all he wants to do is eat.
He gets so excited.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All he wants to do is his favorite thing is eat.
brian simpson
I want every morsel of flavor out this dirt.
joe rogan
It's so crazy he kept eating rocks.
I mean, he ate pounds of gravel.
It wasn't like a small amount of gravel, it was the amount of gravel that was in my living room on the carpet was crazy.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
The out of throw up and just diarrhea.
It was everywhere.
It was a crime scene.
brian simpson
I bet you he won't do that shit again.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he will.
unidentified
He will.
joe rogan
He'll do it tomorrow.
Dude, that dog doesn't learn shit.
He's the best.
Like, he's a sweet dog.
I love him so much.
I love him so much.
He's just all love.
Every time I see him, he's just wagging his tail.
I get down on the ground with him.
He kisses me.
I hug him.
I rub his belly.
He's the best, but he is not.
That used to be a wolf.
That's what's so fucked up about human beings.
We took something that's the most clever, most.
They communicate with each other.
They plan traps on animals.
They're so clever.
You can't.
And also, you can't train them.
You know that about wolves?
You can't train them.
That's why you don't see wolves in the fucking circus.
You cannot train.
You could train a bear.
You could train a lion.
You could train a tiger.
Wolves just go, fuck you.
I'm going to do exactly what I want to do.
But not dogs.
Certainly not my dog.
Like Marshall, he's the sweetest.
Like he was so easy to train.
brian simpson
See, that's wild because you can train a lion, but you can't train a house cat.
joe rogan
You can't train a wolf.
Well, you can train house cats to do certain things.
Like some people have trained their house cat to shit in the toilet.
brian simpson
No, Joe, there's a video of like.
I want to show you, she's Russian.
This Russian lady, she's like the world champion cat training lady.
And she's getting these cats to do a whole bunch of shit, but every now and then.
joe rogan
They do what they want.
brian simpson
They just do what the fuck they want.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
You can't get them to do it like a really good dog will, like a Belgian Malamois that just overshoots her.
brian simpson
Absolutely not.
joe rogan
Just does every task you ask them to.
That's impossible.
Absolutely not.
But with wolves, you can't train them to do anything, they won't listen.
brian simpson
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
They don't listen to you at all.
I had a friend who had wolves.
He had like seven eighth timber wolves, and they got out and killed a bunch of his neighbor's sheep.
You couldn't stop them from doing anything they wanted to do, whatever they wanted to do.
unidentified
Why did he have a pack of wolves?
joe rogan
He's an idiot.
He had three of them.
I was like, You don't have these dogs.
You just feed them.
This is not like a dog.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They don't listen to you, and you have a house with a yard.
That's crazy.
You should have an enormous piece of land, and even then, If you have wolves, they're going to kill everything they run across.
brian simpson
Yeah, they need miles of space.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're cardio machines.
They'd run through the mountains.
They chased down moose.
brian simpson
That's why I get so irritated when, because I'm in apartments now, and I'm in one of those, I don't know what the fuck is going on with my building, but it's full of dog people.
Like the building is for dog people.
There's a dog wash, all of the grass around it is all fake, and there's fucking shitbags every 10 feet.
And the front of the building, from like noon to 4 p.m., it always just, the strongest scent of dog piss because 50 people have walked their dogs around it.
And that's fine.
I don't mind that at all.
But what irritates me is when I see, because I know I have the biggest apartment in the building.
And I know that I don't have room for, like, I don't have the room for, like, a blue healer.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And it's like, you see motherfuckers with dogs like that.
It's like, yo, that dog needs to be running miles every day.
Why do you got that big ass dog?
Oh, yeah.
I saw a damn, I saw a, a, a, A cane corso.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian simpson
It's like you got a cane corso in a 1,300 square foot apartment.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian simpson
And here's the other thing I don't see that motherfucker every day.
So you skipping days?
This motherfucker needs to hurt things or.
joe rogan
It needs to have exercise.
It's like having an MMA fighter living in your house.
Like you better take him to the fucking gym.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Because people always.
joe rogan
It's going to blow off steam.
brian simpson
When people find out that I have a cat, they always like, oh, so your apartment smells like a cat.
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
No, but you know whose places always smell bad?
It's people that have a dog that's too fucking big to be in the place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Also, they probably can't wash it right.
Like, what are you going to do?
Do you get in the shower with it?
I used to get in the shower with my dogs.
I bring Marshall to a groomer, but my dog Johnny, he used to love to get in the shower with me.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a big mastiff, and he loved it because it was just massages and love in the shower.
I just covered him with shampoo, and I would talk nice to him.
I'd go, oh, we're getting so clean, buddy.
You give me kisses.
I'm real good.
unidentified
You're good.
brian simpson
And there's something about seeing their human with no clothes.
I think they lock, because my cat does it.
She loves to come in the bathroom whenever she knows I'm naked.
Or she has a shower and she just sits there and watch.
joe rogan
It's probably weird to them that you could take your clothes off.
brian simpson
I mean, no, I think it's weird to them that you wear clothes at all.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
brian simpson
They're like, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you doing?
Why are you under the sheets all the time?
brian simpson
Yeah.
And I've softened my stance on people that put clothes on their animals, but I'm like, they don't like it.
Coyotes Know Where the Cats Are 00:16:26
unidentified
No, they don't.
joe rogan
Well, some dogs, like.
Chihuahuas in the winter, it's a good idea.
Yeah, but what I mean is, it's like 30 degrees outside of the dog.
brian simpson
The dog likes it.
No, the dog likes that you like it.
They like pleasing you, but they don't want clothes on.
joe rogan
They don't, but if you have like a little, like a chihuahua, for instance, they get really cold.
Those guys, if you put a little sweater on them, like they feel better outside.
brian simpson
It just makes sense.
unidentified
It's warm.
brian simpson
But okay, then go all the way there.
Where the boots at?
joe rogan
Some of them wear boots in the summer because, like, New York City, like the street gets so hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, think about how hot the street gets.
If it's 98 degrees outside, it was like broken glass.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
I mean, you're just walking on hot rocks.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
But also, what are you doing with that big ass dog in New York City?
joe rogan
That's true.
brian simpson
There are no apartments.
Why you got a great Dane out here in New York?
joe rogan
I mean, I would have to make a choice.
Like, if for some reason I had to move to New York City, I'm not getting rid of my dog and I'm not leaving my dog here.
brian simpson
You can't be rid of your dog.
joe rogan
No chance.
Not a chance in hell.
So I would just have to commit to a lifestyle of taking that dog.
Out to like Central Park every day, doing things to them every day.
I would have to make a choice.
Bro, I would have to live near the park for sure.
brian simpson
Like, for me to get rid of my cat, it would have to be.
joe rogan
They would have to die.
brian simpson
They'd have to die, or it would have to be something where, like, I am absolutely not capable of, you know, like, I can't move.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
Or something crazy like that.
Right, Yeah.
When I moved out here from Cali, like, she can't fly.
joe rogan
Oh, so did you drive her across the country?
brian simpson
I paid somebody to.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
brian simpson
Oh, me, that would be a fuck.
Actually, I didn't have a car at the time, but that would be a nightmare.
This is the most stubborn, like, this creature.
Like, I have a hard time getting her.
I've taken her to three groomers.
They all been like, Yeah, come get her.
unidentified
Yeah, come get her.
brian simpson
Because she doesn't like to be restrained in any way.
Yeah, and at the slightest sign that you're thinking about holding her down or putting her in something, she will fight with everything she got.
joe rogan
Is she a feral cat?
brian simpson
No.
Well, she might have been.
joe rogan
Where'd you get her?
brian simpson
I got her.
The story the lady told me doesn't really add up, but basically, A divorce happened.
This family had two cats and a dog.
And then the wife got the house and started fostering animals.
And then my cat's brother, so her and her brother were the original cats.
My cat's brother started basically like joining this pack of cats against, because Millie don't socialize at all.
But her brother kind of turned on her.
unidentified
Game of Thrones.
brian simpson
Yeah, and so since then she was just hostile with everybody.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
All the animals, I mean.
And so when I came to get her, all these animals were in this lady's house except Millie.
She was in the garage and they had a little post and she was in the garage.
And when I came to take her, she was so down to go.
She was like, fuck all them people, fuck my brother, fuck this.
She was so down to go.
joe rogan
But she likes you?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, she loves me.
She still follows me from room to room.
joe rogan
Oh, what that sweet.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's some cats that just choose one person too.
brian simpson
She also hates me too.
joe rogan
She hates you?
brian simpson
I think she hates.
joe rogan
She probably had bad experiences.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's got some kind of trauma that I'll never know about.
joe rogan
You got to give her some kitty cat ayahuasca.
brian simpson
Bro, I've had to put her on CBD and shit before we go to the vet.
unidentified
Really?
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Do you ever put her in catnip?
You ever give her catnip?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, sometimes, yeah.
joe rogan
Does she get high and roll around and get freaky?
unidentified
She loves it.
What is it?
It's so weird.
What does cat.
joe rogan
It works on every cat.
I've never seen a cat where it doesn't work on.
Imagine, I mean, if there's shit like that for people.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You just give someone.
brian simpson
We got plenty of shit like that.
joe rogan
But I don't know if it gets them high.
I don't know what it's doing to them.
brian simpson
To them?
joe rogan
Well, let's find out.
I really have no idea what the mechanism of.
Let's put this into perplexity.
brian simpson
All right, Jeremy, what's perplexity?
joe rogan
Catnip is an aromatic herb.
Perplexity is our AI sponsor.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yes, we have an AI sponsor.
brian simpson
Oh, shit, okay.
joe rogan
It's the shit.
It's not ideologically captured.
Catnip is an aromatic herb in the mint family whose leaves and stems contain a chemical.
How do you say that word?
Nepetalla.
Want to try that, Jamie?
brian simpson
I'm going to say Nepetalactone.
joe rogan
Nepetalactone.
I think you're right.
Nepetalactone.
That triggers playful or euphoric behavior in many cats.
Many cats?
Interesting.
I thought it was all cats.
Plant is native to Eurasia, now common across temperate regions, and is easy to grow in North America, often in gardens or pots.
Why cats react to it.
Catnip contains an oil whose main active compound is nepotalactone, a type of terpene produced in glands on the leaves and stems.
When the cats smell nepotalactone, it binds to receptors in their nose and stimulates brain pathways linked to mood, leading to behaviors like rolling, rubbing, purring, meowing, jumping, or brief zoomies.
Only about two thirds.
Oh, okay.
80% of cats are sensitive to catnip.
The tendency is genetic.
The effect usually lasts 5 to 15 minutes, after which they become temporarily immune for a while.
Interesting.
Is it safe?
For most cats, catnip is considered non toxic and safe, and many vets recommend it as an enrichment to encourage play and reduce boredom or stress.
Eating a small amount is usually fine and may soothe the digestive tract, but large amounts can cause short lived stomach upset, vomiting, diarrhea, or dizziness.
Your cat's just a fucking fiend.
brian simpson
Oh shit, you only supposed to give a pinch?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian simpson
That's what it says down there.
joe rogan
Only a pinch.
Oh, here it goes.
Because of this, people typically offer just a pinch of dried or fresh.
How much do you give your cat?
unidentified
Bro.
brian simpson
I don't fucked her world.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
You give her a fat bag?
You give her a fat bag?
brian simpson
I just let her go at it, man.
You know what's funny, man?
My cat is very.
Like, I let her do what she wants.
You know, like, I let her.
She can go outside, like, you know.
She's not an outdoor cat, but if she wants to go out, I open the door.
Because I make sure, you know what it is?
I make sure outside is not some mystery place that she.
If she wants to go, I open the door and let her go.
And then after she gets cold or hear something and smell it, run back in the house.
Because that way, she's not like just dying to go out there all the time.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
brian simpson
I'm not worried about her running away.
joe rogan
I worry about coyotes, man.
When you let cats out, man, coyotes are fucking.
They target your house.
They know where the cats are, they know the cats that get let out.
brian simpson
Yeah, but it's like.
Nothing comes near my building because it just smells like 50 dogs live there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they eat dogs too.
brian simpson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, my daughter's puppy got eaten by a coyote in California.
Guy was training and he left the puppy outside and got eaten by coyotes.
brian simpson
Bro, I haven't seen any coyotes.
joe rogan
Oh, I've seen them.
brian simpson
Also, but here's the other thing too.
My girl is, you know, she takes zero chances.
The slightest sign of danger, and she already got.
unidentified
Wow!
brian simpson
No, she got 50 spots to hide and run.
Like, she's never gotten into it with anything.
joe rogan
The thing about coyotes is they're predators, right?
And cats are predators too, but pets are different than wild animals.
brian simpson
Yeah, this big thing.
joe rogan
They're very different.
brian simpson
She'll bring a fucking mouse in the house.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, they kill stuff.
They kill stuff for fun, but there's a difference between that and needing to eat and needing to, like, eat cats in order to survive, which is what coyotes do.
So, coyotes know where the cats are.
They know what they smell when cats are.
Peeing outside.
So they know a cat lives in the house and they know the cat pees outside.
They just hover nearby and wait because they know it's a matter of time before the cat has to go outside.
brian simpson
You know what's funny, man?
I haven't seen the coyote the whole time I lived in Austin.
I think it's been three years now.
joe rogan
They hide.
brian simpson
I know.
I saw them all the time in LA, though.
joe rogan
You'll see them.
They exist.
brian simpson
You know what it is?
I think it's that the The ones out here aren't starving like the ones in LA were.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
Because they get bolder and bolder the hungrier they get.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about Austin as opposed to LA is there's a lot of animals and there's a lot of moisture, right?
So if you're outside of the greater Austin area, like a lot of these coyotes, I see them all the time out where I live because there's a lot of animals where I live.
I see foxes almost every day.
I see armadillos a couple times a week.
I see deer every day.
I always see the, especially when I come home, I see foxes run across the road.
There's all kinds of animals.
So, there's all kinds of things that coyotes eat.
A lot of rabbits, all kinds of things coyotes eat.
And so, they don't have to come into the city.
Whereas in L.A., you've got L.A., and then everything around L.A. is just barren.
It's all dry and fucked up, and you might find a rabbit, but it's way easy to eat someone's cat.
brian simpson
And I think that every person doesn't realize how many coyotes are around them.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Every major city, they're like raccoons.
They're in every city.
unidentified
Everywhere.
joe rogan
There's a great book on it called Coyote America.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really good.
And it's all about how coyotes what happens is when they yell out, they're doing like a roll call.
And when they're doing a roll call, they're letting all the other coyotes know that they're there.
And when one of them's missing, the female coyotes assume that that coyote's dead.
And so their body responds by making a larger litter.
brian simpson
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, so they'll have more babies if someone's missing.
brian simpson
Damn, death makes them horny?
joe rogan
Well, it makes them have more children.
They always have children.
They're always horny, right?
But they, instead of having three pups, they'll have six.
And they spread out because they were persecuted by gray wolves.
Like, that's the whole deal.
And being gray wolves and red wolves, so coyotes and red wolves mate with each other.
That's why you get what they call a koi wolf.
But it really is a coyote, it's a type of wolf.
But they're not related to the gray wolves.
And gray wolves and coyotes don't mate.
So, gray wolves, the ones that have been like Colorado and, you know, like Montana, those wolves just eat coyotes.
They just kill them.
Like, they don't fuck around.
So, there's no chance of becoming allies.
So, those coyotes learned a long time ago when they start getting killed by wolves, just spread out.
Just get the fuck out of there.
Keep moving.
That's why they're in 50 states.
They're in every city in the country now.
And that wasn't the case when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, like, I grew up in Massachusetts in my high school years, there was no fucking coyotes.
Nobody, I never even heard of anybody seeing a coyote.
brian simpson
Yeah, me neither.
joe rogan
I never saw a coyote in my life until 1994.
Remember in LA, they had those Oakwood Garden apartments?
It's like furnished apartments that they had in LA.
And I was driving to it.
It's like when I first moved there.
I didn't have an apartment yet.
When I first moved there, I was like, those fucking dogs?
unidentified
Are these dogs?
joe rogan
I'm like, oh shit, those are coyotes.
I remember pulling the car over, looking at them like, this is weird.
These weird little wolves just wandering around the city.
brian simpson
Like, that's how you know you see in a coyote.
You're like, is that a dog?
joe rogan
Well, that was the first time, and that was in 94.
But by the time, you know, we left in 2020, fucking, they were everywhere.
I mean, everywhere.
Like, they expanded.
Yeah, they were everywhere.
And now they're in New York City.
They find them in the middle of the fucking park.
They find them in the Bronx.
They're in abandoned buildings.
They're all over the place.
They're in Chicago.
Coyotes are all over the whole country.
brian simpson
When I was in LA, one of the neighborhoods I lived in, I was in the neighborhood Facebook group.
And there was a dude in there.
His name was Coyote.
The guy's name was Coyote.
He just wanted everybody to know that he loved coyotes so much.
And he would literally, he would defend coyotes no matter what the fuck they did.
Like, somebody would be in the Facebook group, hey, a coyote fucking ate my dog right out of my hands.
unidentified
Watch out.
brian simpson
And this guy would be like, if anybody here harms a coyote, they have to answer to me fuck your dog.
unidentified
Oh, God.
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
I think his name was like, his name was like Coyote Jones or something like that.
He was serious.
He was real serious.
joe rogan
Really into coyotes?
brian simpson
He was, you know, everybody got their thing.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They're an interesting animal, man.
That's, it's really interesting in that book.
It was, it's all about.
brian simpson
You know who's, um, I just saw something about how raccoons are the next animal that's being tamed or domesticated or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, I believe that.
brian simpson
The ones in the city are starting to have shorter snouts.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
Yeah, they're starting to look more like how wolves became bitch ass wolves when they came around the fire.
brian simpson
They're basically starting to get cuter.
joe rogan
Like dogs.
brian simpson
The ones closer to us are getting cuter because they know it gets them treated better.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
The cuter ones have more babies.
The same thing.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
I know, and that's crazy.
Because I read somewhere that we haven't actually domesticated cats or not.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
brian simpson
Maybe domesticated isn't the word, but.
joe rogan
Never got them to the point where we did with dogs.
brian simpson
Exactly.
But raccoons are getting there.
joe rogan
That's so interesting.
But it makes sense.
Did you ever hear about that Russian study they did with foxes?
Like how quickly you can domesticate a fox?
brian simpson
Oh, no.
I didn't know that you could do that.
joe rogan
That's really quick.
So you start out with foxes, and any fox that shows any aggression, you start out with a bunch of foxes.
Any fox that shows any aggression to a person, you kill it.
On the spot.
Oh.
Bang.
Dead.
Fuck you.
Get all the ones that survive or ones that have no aggression towards people.
And then slowly their snouts get shorter and their ears start to flop.
And over the course of like 10 years, you got a totally different animal.
See if you can find that, Jim.
brian simpson
Why don't people do that?
joe rogan
Well, they did do that with this one study, but it was just to show how quick things change, like given natural selection.
Like natural selection dictated that if you're a sweeter fox, you live.
If you show your teeth, they fucking shoot you in the head.
And I'm sure Russian scientists are probably a little bit more hardcore.
brian simpson
Oh, Chinese.
joe rogan
Here it is Dmitry Belov in Ludmilla Trut.
The Russian Fox Domestication Program is a long term experiment in Novosibirsk, Siberia, that successfully bred domesticated silver foxes, a form of red fox, selecting specifically for tameness.
After over 60 years and dozens of generations, foxes act like domesticated elite pets.
Displaying dog like behavior such as tail wagging, licking, and whining for attention.
So you could buy them?
Can you buy one of these foxes?
That's crazy.
See if there's a video.
Oh, you can get one for 9,000 bucks.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Known for high energy and needing intensive care.
Yeah, you don't want that in your fucking 1,300 square foot apartment.
brian simpson
What makes them elite, though?
joe rogan
It is interesting, right?
What does that mean?
Does it look like AI?
Let's see.
It's who knows nowadays, right?
Oh, look at this lady's got a fox as a pet.
Oh, wow.
They're like little dogs.
Foxes Acting Like Domesticated Pets 00:08:35
joe rogan
That's crazy, bro.
But the thing about foxes are they are like playful in the wild, even while foxes are playful with people.
Oh, this little guy's missing a foot.
I don't know if those are wild or the thing.
These are just different foxes.
I don't think these are those foxes.
This is just.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's showing the info and then showing a bunch of different foxes.
But if you remember Grizzly Man, like that movie, the Warren Herzog movie.
So he was living in the middle of Alaska around these bears, and the foxes would come and hang out with him.
And the foxes would hang out in his tent.
They would play with him.
They stole his hat once and ran away with his hat, and he was chasing them, trying to get his hat back.
brian simpson
And the bears don't attack the foxes?
joe rogan
Well, they probably would if they could, but foxes probably can get away.
I mean, they probably catch a fox slipping every now and then, but mostly what they were looking for up there was salmon.
They were eating a lot of salmon.
And when bears get salmon, that's all they want.
There's a crazy video that we've shown before of this guy, and they're on the edge of a river, and the salmon are running.
There's all these bears in there that'll just like just gorging on salmon, which is why those coastal bears are so much bigger.
Like Kodiak bears, like Alaska, the reason why they're so much bigger is because they have access to salmon, they have access to fish, and all the other animals that are there too.
But when there's a salmon run, that's all they want.
They just want to eat salmon.
brian simpson
So you're saying, like, if you give salmon to a bear that's never had salmon before, it'll just, that's all it'll want after then?
joe rogan
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I wouldn't.
It's probably delicious.
I mean, that's why we like sashimi.
But I think it's the access is so easy.
They don't have to chase anything.
They just stand in the river.
It literally comes to them.
They just bite it out of the air.
You see how bears do that?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And bears are kind of lazy.
Like, if they can preserve energy, they will.
They just want to get fat for hibernation, right?
So they just want to eat as much as possible.
So the point is, like, when they're like that and they're just eating fish, you don't even have to worry about them.
They're not even going to kill you.
So this dude is, like, sitting there.
He's got, like, a little lawn chair.
And this fucking Giant bear just walks up beside him and sits down.
Like, sits down almost like a person.
And they're like, hey, get out of here.
unidentified
Hey.
joe rogan
But I mean, it is as close to him as you are to me.
And it might be a thousand pounds.
I mean, this thing is fucking gigantic.
And you see the river behind him.
So you see all these bears that are just scooping salmon out of the river.
brian simpson
And what is the bear trying to tell him about doing that?
joe rogan
Bears on it doesn't give a fuck.
He just comes to sit down.
Like, you might be a stick or a person.
It doesn't matter.
It's eating salmon.
It's right.
Like, watch this.
Look at this.
Look at this.
This dude's just sitting there with his fucking chair, and this giant ass bear just comes next to him.
Look at the size of that thing.
But it's not interested in him at all.
It's not like playing coy.
It's not pretending it's not going to kill him.
It doesn't care about him.
It doesn't think that he's going to eat it.
That's for sure, right?
So it's like he's just chilling.
That might as well be.
Look at it.
unidentified
He sits down like a person.
joe rogan
Oh, bro.
brian simpson
You know what it is about these motherfuckers is how fast it can go from this to terrifying.
joe rogan
Yeah, to 45 miles an hour.
But look, it's like, hey, get out of here.
Then it walks off.
It's like, all right, I'm not looking for any trouble.
Just hanging out.
It's amazing that the thing listens to him.
But it's also amazing that he's not freaked out.
I guess he's taking a photo.
So in that video, you see there's a ton of bears.
So they're just hanging out in that stream.
They just lay, and they don't fight with each other either.
During those situations, because they know there's so much salmon, there's enough for everybody.
So, like, if one of them kills a moose, right, the other ones will come over and try to steal it from them.
Fuck you, that's my moose.
And they'll, because there's only one food source.
But on these rivers, there's just constant fish coming out.
So they're just grabbing them and eating them.
And they're fucking gigantic because of that.
brian simpson
We don't know shit about these animals, man.
We know a little.
You know, I just saw some shit about Florida.
So they have a serious.
Snake problem now.
Like, I think it's.
unidentified
Pythons.
Yeah, it's pythons.
brian simpson
And how to do it on?
joe rogan
Python cowboy.
He gave us a head.
Where is that head?
Do you know what that head is?
brian simpson
Well, yeah, well, they so they they have they've been trying to catch so apparently it came from the 80s and the 90s of like a big python pet boom and it was a research center that got hit by a hurricane, right?
That's what I was about to say.
The hurricane came, they released them to the wild.
Now it's a problem, and they tried paying hunters to get them and they tried training dogs to find them, and nothing is good enough.
But then they made robot rabbits.
You see this?
Yeah, they made robot rabbits.
And they made them, they made them, they put them in these boxes and they generated fake body heat and the scent of rabbits and everything.
And it did attract, it did pull the snakes, but it pulled everything else too.
So what ended up happening is the snake's only natural predator was these, was alligators.
And the alligators was fucking these things up and the snakes purposely avoid the alligators.
So it ended up having the opposite effect.
Stayed away, and the alligators were fucking these boxes up.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
brian simpson
And it was almost a complete waste.
But then, one of the nerds, as they were about to shut the whole fucking thing down, he noticed in the data that what they actually found out, so they plugged it into AI, and the AI did this whole fucking map of all the data.
Because apparently, before every attack, those boxes were still like tracking movement and everything was going on.
And they found out that the animals have like highways.
So it's not that the snakes were in random places.
It's that the snakes and the alligators were using these highways that only they could smell of like the quickest ways to get through the Everglades and stuff like that.
And so they were able, so now they just know where they are and they know how they get from one part of the swamp to the other.
And they didn't, so we learned something.
We still don't know what the fuck to do about the pythons.
joe rogan
They use dogs a lot.
Where the dogs find the eggs.
brian simpson
Well, they trained these two dogs specifically, but they got to the point where it's like, you know, it's just so much ground to cover.
Two dogs ain't going to do it.
And it would, because that's the problem with the pythons.
I mean, we could wipe them out if we wanted.
joe rogan
I don't think we can.
Well, the problem is The Everglades are so big.
brian simpson
Well, that's my point.
Is we can't, like, the cost of doing it, we just haven't found a way where we can do it where it doesn't cost just a crazy amount of money.
joe rogan
Well, you think about all the money they do spend shit on.
Like, if they got all this Somali daycare center money back, we can kill the snakes.
Yo, did you see Ilhan Omar?
She was reading off of a script.
She's the woman who's a congresswoman from Minnesota, from Minneapolis.
And she's connected, at least accused of being connected to the Somali daycare center.
She's Somali.
She's accused of being connected to this fraud.
So she's reading off this script.
And you know how people write World War II and they use like I I for two?
brian simpson
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
She reads it as World War 11.
brian simpson
This is a congressperson?
joe rogan
She's a congresswoman!
See if you can find the video, Jamie.
It's kind of adorable.
It's kind of adorable because I don't think English is her first language already.
At least it doesn't sound like it.
ilhan omar
The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War 11.
Oh, two.
brian simpson
At least she caught it, though.
joe rogan
I didn't know she caught it.
I never saw it.
They always cut it off before she caught it.
brian simpson
Well, that's politics, bro.
Politics is fucking brutal, man.
unidentified
It's gross.
brian simpson
I don't understand why anybody would want to go into it.
joe rogan
But you're mad.
How could you say World War 11?
Like, you know, there haven't been nine other wars you forgot about.
Politics Is Fucking Brutal Man 00:03:37
brian simpson
But I've said way dumber shit today.
joe rogan
But have you ever been reading off a written speech?
brian simpson
I mean, oh man, I would almost be.
You know what it is?
I do on a daily basis, I do things or say things that.
Like, I'm like, I definitely shouldn't have children.
You know?
joe rogan
Well, if you did, they'd make fun of you.
I'm too forgetful.
I say stupid shit, and my kids make fun of me.
unidentified
It's normal.
joe rogan
It's part of being a person to pretend that you don't say stupid shit.
But the thing is, like, you and I say stupid shit publicly.
Like, we'll say stupid shit on a podcast.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
And sometimes you're paid for it.
But I'm talking about stuff that I would be embarrassed to have said publicly.
joe rogan
Like World War 11.
brian simpson
Yeah, like World War 11.
Because I'm telling you, I do shit like that all the time.
I have wacky.
Tony makes fun of me all the time because he's like, you're like a cartoon character.
I have that kind of luck where he's like, sometimes I just have those days, man.
I wake up.
This happened like the.
Remember when I was, so last Tuesday, right?
Last bottom of the barrel, you walked in the green room and I told you I went to go smell the candle and I didn't know, those are those jelly roll candles?
And it's a bong.
And I wasn't thinking about it and I went to smell the candle and poured the wax on my clothes right before I got to go off stage.
And I was wearing like light pants so it looked like I jizzed on my pants as the wax was drying.
And that's why I went home early that day because I was like, it was one of those days I woke up and the day started that way.
I woke up to my CPAP machine.
Crashing on the floor because I rolled over and pulled it off my nightstand.
And I get up to go deal with that and I fucking stub my toe.
And I'm like, it's gonna be one of these days.
It's gonna be one of these fucking days.
I'm gonna drop a glass in the kitchen, you know.
joe rogan
So you just said, let's call it a day.
brian simpson
I said, let it be.
I call it go home, go right to sleep.
unidentified
Interesting.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So you gave up on the day?
brian simpson
No, I still, I mean, I still ended up at the mothership that night.
joe rogan
But your set was good though.
brian simpson
My set was good, but I took a nap.
I napped till the mothership.
unidentified
I got a reset.
brian simpson
Take this edible, take a strong nap, get to the mothership, do my sales, leave.
joe rogan
Almost like it's a new day because you just woke up.
brian simpson
But no, but then I spilled the wax on me.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
So my brain was like, you don't get to cheat.
joe rogan
Interesting.
The idea of good days and bad days based on just like, this is what the world has planned for you today.
This is a bad day.
brian simpson
You know what it is?
If I don't get the sunshine, like I, because I'm a night owl, which kind of sucks, but if either I need to stay up for the sunshine because I got the blackout curtains, but if I wake up late in the day, And I don't get no sunshine, I just feel dumber.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
I do too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if I wake up late, even if I get a good amount of sleep, like more than five hours, but if I was up really late at night and then I wake up late, I feel off.
Because your whole system's all scrambled.
Your system is used to waking up in the morning and going to bed at night.
But if you stay up late, like your brain is working on like 40% capacity.
brian simpson
Sometimes I, sometimes I, because I'll get, I'm a big gamer.
Sometimes I'll get it.
And I'm one of those people who's like, if I pay $60 for a game, now it's like $80.
But I'm going to play the fuck out of it.
Like the day it comes out, I'm playing it all night.
joe rogan
So you're playing online or you're playing the game itself?
unidentified
Both.
brian simpson
Both.
It depends on the game.
joe rogan
What are the games that you like?
brian simpson
All type of shit.
joe rogan
Like what's the big one right now?
brian simpson
Right now, the game I'm playing the most is called Deadlock.
It's not open available to the public.
joe rogan
It isn't?
No.
Dude, you're a developer?
I don't get this shit.
Playing Games Until Your Brain Fades 00:05:47
brian simpson
No, but you have to be invited.
It's a closed beta or playtest.
joe rogan
That's how hardcore you are.
unidentified
You get.
joe rogan
Invited to beta tests?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
I got a bunch of nerdy friends.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
Yeah, actually, my little one of my little nerd groups is like it's it through one of the servers at the mothership.
We all game, we on the same discord.
We'll get on there, we don't because it's nice to have a group where it's like some new come out and we like, yo, this is death lock.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, this looks cool.
brian simpson
This cooler than a motherfucker.
Oh, wow, it also will make you mad as so it's third person.
joe rogan
So you look at it in third person, yeah, it's third person, and you get to pick who you are.
unidentified
Oh, what is that?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right now, I think there's 34 characters, so look, that's all different people.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of information on the screen that just popped up.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's all those?
brian simpson
Buddy, this is.
joe rogan
What are all those things?
brian simpson
This is crazy.
I'm going to fuck this up in a bunch of people.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
So, so basically, okay.
So, so basically, so see, see that bottom, that bottom left number, the green number, 3003?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Okay.
So those are souls, which is just money.
joe rogan
Your monies are souls?
brian simpson
Yeah.
In this game, just think of souls as dollars.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
So she's got $3,000.
And basically, So, the thing she just left is the lane she was in.
And basically, how well you're playing the game, how many kills you get, how many minions you're getting, you get more money.
And the money lets you go buy those items.
That's what all those cards are underneath those people.
It tells you what everyone's bought.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
And since this bitch got the most money, she's bought the most stuff, which makes her stronger.
So, this game's all about getting the money to get stronger faster so you can win.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a zip line.
Is he on a zip line here?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
Because if you see on the right hand side, That's the map.
So there's three different lanes you have to control, right?
And that big box is like the.
Man, this is a lot to.
jamie vernon
Is this like League of Legends, but on the ground?
brian simpson
Exactly.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
I'm glad you put it like that.
But that doesn't help Joe at all.
It doesn't help me at all.
He's like, thank you.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Okay, so see.
joe rogan
It looks fun.
brian simpson
See the yellow side?
See the yellow side on the left hand side of the map?
Okay, that first tower is where you start at.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
brian simpson
And the point is to get stronger, get underneath that, destroy it.
Then you work down to the second one.
That one is a little stronger.
It defends itself.
That's what she's in front of right now.
All right.
And then.
jamie vernon
They're on teams.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's two teams trying to.
And you're basically trying to work yourself down to their base and kill the one on their base.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So you join up with a team of guys that are playing this online.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's six on six.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian simpson
But then they just.
But here's the thing this is all very complicated and all this, but they just introduced brawl mode.
Which is, or street brawl, which is basically, it knocks it down to four on four.
It makes it one lane and it gives you random items.
So you don't have to do any of the complicated shit.
You can just get in and get in.
joe rogan
So you get in, run around, grab something and beat people up with it?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
So basically, the brawl mode is just a condensed version of the game where you're just fighting.
You don't have to worry about managing anything.
joe rogan
Boy, that looks like it would take up a lot of time.
brian simpson
Oh, buddy.
Yeah, because here's the thing.
What's crazy about shit like that is if you're.
If somehow you end up in a game where everyone knows what they're doing and everyone's communicating, one of those games can be over in 25 minutes.
But if you're on a game, that's probably not going to happen.
So it could go anywhere from 25 minutes to an hour.
I've seen games go an hour.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
So it's like, but most of it, if a game is going that long, it's just because it's either because people are playing with you.
Because it's one of those things where, like, if you get behind to a certain point, you can't come back.
That's the whole point of the game.
unidentified
Oh, really?
brian simpson
Yeah, the whole point is a snowball is like, I'm so much stronger than you that there's nothing you can do.
It gets to the point where I'm just abusing you.
joe rogan
Okay.
It's just because they've collected the most stuff?
brian simpson
Because they've had the most money for the longest.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
And they can just keep buying better and better shit than you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
But my point is the point is for you to get to a certain point and just end the game.
But some people don't know when that is.
jamie vernon
Here's the quick three sentence overview of what the game is futuristic urban fantasy New York.
Your gods, part of an occult ritual, trying to destroy each other.
brian simpson
Yeah, so the backstory is an event happened called the Maelstrom that.
Yeah, no, this is just the backstory.
It opened up a portal that let magic into the world, and all of these people got all these abilities and powers and stuff like that.
And there's two opposing gods in some other dimension, and they want you to summon them so they can cross over into this realm.
And so the team you're on is whichever god you're working for.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And when you win the game, that's supposed to be you completing the ritual.
And if you help complete the ritual, you get a wish.
And so when you go to each character, it tells you their backstory and what they want, what wish they want when they get there.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
brian simpson
Yeah, and some people don't want nothing, they just want to fuck people up.
joe rogan
And how long have you been playing this game?
brian simpson
It's been probably, I don't know, a year and a half.
joe rogan
So this seems super complicated and like it would dedicate a considerable amount of thinking.
brian simpson
It's very complex.
Because you don't even know what the fuck you're doing for like the first 200 hours.
Like, it takes about 200 hours before you're like, okay, I kind of get what's going on.
joe rogan
This is the kind of thing that people without kids say.
Completing Rituals to Get Wishes 00:08:37
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I just, I can't.
I'm not, I'm definitely, I'm definitely a 43 year old child.
Like, I don't live like an adult.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No.
brian simpson
I live like almost like a frat boy or something.
joe rogan
Well, if you could pull it off, those are, when you ask people, some of the happiest times of their life.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, for now.
joe rogan
When they were young and free, especially people that don't like what they do.
Right?
People get a job and they don't like it, and then they have responsibilities and they can't leave their job.
unidentified
Shit.
brian simpson
Or people that get a wife and don't like her.
joe rogan
That happens a lot.
brian simpson
That happens too much.
unidentified
Boy, that happens too much.
joe rogan
And a husband you don't like too.
unidentified
Both sides.
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
That's probably worse.
joe rogan
Well, both of them are bad, but it happens a lot.
A lot of people.
jamie vernon
Are you gaming one of these, Brian?
brian simpson
Ooh.
That is.
Come on, dog.
That's insane.
joe rogan
That's light.
jamie vernon
But that seems like how you should be playing a game like this, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, in a dark room.
Let's talk.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
I mean, but the thing is, I don't think that chair is very comfortable.
joe rogan
How dare you?
That chair goes upside down.
You're laying down, brother.
jamie vernon
There's versions of it you could customize.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
How much?
brian simpson
Six grand?
So, wait a minute.
joe rogan
This is zero gravity.
Watch it.
Hit the different images.
Look at it.
It's like that, Brian.
brian simpson
Oh, that's crazy.
unidentified
That's what I'm talking about.
brian simpson
That's crazy.
But what else does it do?
Does it massage?
joe rogan
Sucks your dick.
brian simpson
I mean, 10 grand is a lot.
joe rogan
Your mouth comes out and just sucks your dick.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'll take that.
Can you piss in that?
joe rogan
Well, it used to be 10 grand.
It's unsafe.
jamie vernon
Do they have the one that's also like the bed?
Have you seen the bed version?
brian simpson
The what?
joe rogan
Well, this one does go backwards, right?
Show a version of it where it's completely reclined.
jamie vernon
That's what I was trying to.
brian simpson
You got this shit, don't you, Jamie?
jamie vernon
No, but I've seen it.
joe rogan
He's just wanting.
brian simpson
Oh, it's a scorpion.
jamie vernon
Let me show you something else.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
That's pretty wicked.
And so you can adjust that and you can make the screen right in front of your face.
unidentified
Yeah, bro.
brian simpson
I'm about to skip four heart treatments and get that chair.
I'm about to get that motherfucking cage.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
That was pretty cool too.
unidentified
Oh, see that?
brian simpson
I actually prefer what we're looking at here.
unidentified
This?
joe rogan
Do you?
brian simpson
Well.
joe rogan
You prefer that to the one that you lie back on?
brian simpson
No, because I don't use a controller.
The only games I use a controller with is Madden.
joe rogan
So you're a mouse and keyboard guy?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, almost exclusively.
joe rogan
That's what I have.
jamie vernon
It's like a little futon built on it.
joe rogan
I never figured out how to use it.
brian simpson
No, fuck that futon.
Listen, if you're going to.
Who's choosing a futon?
If you got the money for a good gaming PC, you better not have no futon.
joe rogan
Well, he just went all in on the gaming PC.
Yeah, that's true.
No choice, no chance of pussy.
brian simpson
My shit's gotten kind of crazy recently.
joe rogan
Yeah?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Did I never show you?
Check this shit out.
joe rogan
What you got?
brian simpson
Hold on.
Let me show you.
joe rogan
Are there any other ones that do it with an even bigger? Screen like that, that kind of a deal.
Like, what is the ultimate setup for like somebody like a Bill Gates?
jamie vernon
There's a new, uh, like the F1 rig we have.
Yeah, there's a new screen that's come out that's like a 100 and 60, even I don't know.
brian simpson
So, that's my shit right there.
Oh, you got a dual monitor set up, curved monitors, two uh, super ultra wide.
joe rogan
That's a problem.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's a problem.
joe rogan
That's a problem.
brian simpson
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Um.
I'm gonna send this to me.
Send it to me and I'll send it to Jamie.
Oh, do you have Jamie's number?
brian simpson
Yeah, I know.
I got Jamie's number.
joe rogan
Send it to Jamie because that image is crazy.
We need to show people that image.
That's a problem.
If I had that, that'd be a real problem.
brian simpson
Jamie, I got your number, don't I?
joe rogan
I do my best writing, like when I get the most done, on my laptop because I don't ever look at anything else on that laptop.
The only time I use the internet at all is to check things to find out if something's real.
And even that I don't use anymore because I use perplexity for that now.
I just talk into the phone.
But if you have that much distraction, like two monitors like that, I would never leave.
I would just be playing games.
It's too fun.
brian simpson
It's too much.
It's too much sometimes.
It is.
joe rogan
They're a fucking problem, man.
Games are a problem.
They're so good.
brian simpson
You know what it is, man?
It's a dopamine drip.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at that setup.
unidentified
Bro.
joe rogan
What's that thing on the right?
brian simpson
That is for controlling the sound.
So basically, like, so say I'm in the chat, I'm in the Discord chat, and I got a YouTube video plan and I'm in the middle of a game, right?
Right.
Then I can reach over and turn down the volume of the game so I can hear somebody more clearly or turn up the music without having to open up anything on my phone.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
You are an addict.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jamie, you don't have that, do you?
jamie vernon
I was going to show you mine.
He's got.
I've got way more than that.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
No, yeah.
Jamie's out of control.
jamie vernon
I have a soundboard connected into mine so I can fuck with people.
Hey, hey, Jamie.
brian simpson
Can you blur that top thing?
Because that's got people's names.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but I can record live sound when someone's chatting and I can record their voice and play it back instantly.
brian simpson
This is me not streaming.
I'm going to start streaming this summer.
So, I'm gonna have to add a couple of things.
joe rogan
So, he's gonna start playing video games and streaming it?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He can make a lot of money doing it.
brian simpson
It's easy money, too.
joe rogan
It's crazy because you're already gonna play games.
brian simpson
And I know some people just like they don't go on the road because they make so much money doing this.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
But the problem is, how long is that gonna last?
Going on the road is forever.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, but you can always do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you might not have an audience anymore.
brian simpson
You have that audience.
joe rogan
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
But they'll be still stuck on those videos.
brian simpson
You ever had T Payne on here?
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
Yeah, T Payne, he's one of the like, he don't.
He's like, yo, you gotta offer me a lot of money.
Because he still goes on the road, but it's like, you gotta pay him.
Because he makes some.
He's like, why would I leave?
Why would I take less money to leave my house?
joe rogan
So he just streams?
brian simpson
He streams, yeah.
jamie vernon
His setup he's got is fucking crazy.
brian simpson
It's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah?
jamie vernon
He's like, we have one F1 setup.
I think he bought six.
He's got his whole studio in one room.
He's got the racing room over here.
He's got, I think, probably four different rooms for different things.
brian simpson
And he'll game, or he'll have own guests, or he'll just make a song live in front of you.
jamie vernon
So it's just his normal live setup.
He's got F1 setups.
He's got multiple screens around there.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
So he has a whole room dedicated.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
jamie vernon
It's all wired together too.
joe rogan
So when he's streaming, how is he making money?
brian simpson
Sponsors.
I think he's definitely a Twitch partner of some kind.
joe rogan
Okay.
So you get sponsors and like, how much do you think he's making?
unidentified
Fuck.
brian simpson
I couldn't, I don't even.
I mean, if I had to speculate.
joe rogan
Yeah, speculate.
brian simpson
I would say he's probably making, pulling in at least a quarter million a month or something like that.
Probably more than that.
joe rogan
Just playing video games.
brian simpson
Just streaming.
He doesn't even have to play video games.
Sometimes he's just talking.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of that, right?
A lot of streamers.
brian simpson
Yeah, there's.
joe rogan
Like a lot of political streamers that just talk.
brian simpson
There's different people that do different things.
There's.
They call them IRL streamers.
There's nuisance streamers.
unidentified
Nuisance?
brian simpson
Yeah, they just walk around.
joe rogan
Fuck with people?
brian simpson
Fuck with people, yeah.
joe rogan
What's this?
unidentified
Two strip simulators, two circuit racing simulators, and one flight simulator down there in the end.
joe rogan
So this is the VR room.
unidentified
Wow.
The computer I play on is right here.
Step down here.
Whoa, it's VR.
We got sensors in the roof.
This is the workshop.
It was just a utility room, but I was like, why not put 3D printers in there?
This is 3D printers, as you can see.
I took a lot of inspiration from Tron.
brian simpson
That's amazing.
And he's married, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's making money.
How's his wife going to complain?
You want to go shopping?
Listen, lady, this is how we make the money for you to go shopping.
unidentified
You're right.
You're right.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, she can't complain if that's what you actually earn money at.
You know, my wife used to complain about the podcast before it started making money.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Well, she was like, you don't have to do that.
I was like, I do.
I have to do it.
I told people I'd be doing it on Monday at X amount of whatever time it was.
But that's just always.
brian simpson
How long until you were like, I can fucking.
This is making money.
joe rogan
Oh, it took years.
Why Nicotine Patches Might Help 00:08:18
joe rogan
I didn't even try.
I never tried to make any money with it.
I always did it for free.
I did it for fun.
brian simpson
For how many years?
joe rogan
I didn't make money for years.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Zero money for years.
I never even thought of it making money.
It was just for fun.
I would just have everybody come over.
Like Segura would come over.
Eddie Bravo would come over.
Joey would come over.
Duncan.
We would just talk shit and just have laughs.
It was just for fun.
We enjoyed the shit out of it.
We had a vaporizer, this giant bag.
brian simpson
The volcano?
joe rogan
Yeah, the volcano.
Oh my God, the thing was horrendous.
brian simpson
I remember when those things first came out.
They fucked a lot of people's world up.
joe rogan
They fucked a lot of people.
Fucked our world up.
There's a lot of podcasts in the early days that are unlistenable or watchable because we're just obliterated.
brian simpson
And I thought it could never get past that.
And now they got.
You know, then people came up with the dabs.
joe rogan
Bro, Jelly Roll has this machine.
It looks like a robot.
It looks like a little Pokemon robot.
brian simpson
Yeah, wait a minute.
joe rogan
Is it that?
brian simpson
Because Frank Castillo is one of those.
He's like sponsored by those people.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Those things are crazy.
brian simpson
What is it called?
unidentified
Peak.
brian simpson
The Peak People.
You know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
I don't know if it's a Peak.
It looks like a device.
It scared me just looking at it.
brian simpson
Can you look up the Peak Pro?
joe rogan
It's big like this French press.
unidentified
Yeah, bro.
brian simpson
And listen, and every time I see Frank, they've come out with a new one.
They have one that's like a Sherlock Holmes pipe.
It's all electronic and it's all for dabs.
But every time he visits me, he's like, hey, bro, check this shit out.
joe rogan
People like him with his reason why weed still isn't legal.
brian simpson
Well, actually, I just read something today that Trump is making.
joe rogan
It's schedule three now.
Yeah.
brian simpson
Oh, it's done.
joe rogan
It's done.
unidentified
Weed.
joe rogan
Yeah, weed is schedule three.
So, schedule three, first of all, it should be right with alcohol.
If you're 21, leave me the fuck alone.
brian simpson
What schedule is alcohol?
joe rogan
Alcohol is not scheduled.
It's not a prohibitive substance.
I don't think alcohol is scheduled like that.
Alcohol for 21 and older is totally legal.
So, Schedule One, which is where weed was, which is so crazy, is that it has no medicinal benefit, harm, addiction.
Now, I won't argue addiction because I don't think I totally understand it the way other people understand it.
It's highly genetic.
I think addiction is very genetic because people keep telling me that cigarettes are addictive and that nicotine is addictive.
I recently got off of nicotine patches and I started taking ultra patches.
Do you know what these are?
Pouches, rather.
It's like nootropics, it's like vitamins, like brain vitamins.
unidentified
Is there nicotine in there?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No nicotine.
And when I started doing it, I was like, okay, I wonder if I'm going to.
You want to try one?
unidentified
Here.
joe rogan
That one's empty.
I just bought these over Amazon.
But I was like, I've done it before when I went on vacation.
Like, I didn't have them at all, and I didn't have any withdrawals.
But then I talked to McCann, and McCann said that when he got off of them, it was like two weeks where he's like fucking super tense and yelling at people.
No, no, no.
brian simpson
Oh, nicotine.
joe rogan
Nicotine.
Pouches or cigarettes.
He got off of all of it.
And then I hear, but so my point is, I think it's a biological thing.
I don't think I have the biological thing.
I get addicted to stuff.
I get addicted to doing things.
I used to be addicted to video games.
I would definitely get addicted again if I started playing.
I get addicted to pool.
I get addicted to martial arts.
I get addicted to doing stuff.
I get addicted to archery.
But I don't think I get addicted.
I probably would if it was like Oxies or something like that.
I think that's just too strong.
unidentified
That would just get me.
brian simpson
I think I'm too much of a control freak to get addicted to any kind of hard.
joe rogan
Well, you quit cigarettes like that.
brian simpson
Yeah, but you know why it was easy?
It's because I had a heart attack.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the heart attack did it for you.
brian simpson
It did.
And I already felt like shit, so I didn't feel.
Go, I didn't.
The withdrawals were nothing.
joe rogan
I'm going to send you something, Jamie.
This is kind of crazy, but I sent this to Tom Cigarro.
I said, It's time to start smoking again.
Because there's this guy that's making this argument that there's a benefit to smoking as long as you do it with the proper diet, that there's some sort of an actual benefit to cigarette smoking.
Because one of the things about these blue zones where people like live forever, a lot of these people that are like living that are really old, they smoke cigarettes.
brian simpson
Yeah.
That's what tripped me the fuck out.
Like, you know, every time they go, This is the oldest person alive.
They're 109 right now.
joe rogan
They smoke.
brian simpson
And then they ask them, they go, what's your secret, nigga?
Smoke.
I drink fire water.
joe rogan
So listen to this smoking is good for them.
Top heart surgeons claim is breaking the internet.
Clip is exploding after cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Stephen Gundry made a claim that's turning everything people thought they knew about smoking upside down.
His argument is smoking, specifically nicotine, can have real benefits when paired with the right lifestyle.
At one point, he even says about a patient.
Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well.
Points to long living populations where heavy smoking is common.
Claims that in part of Sardinia, 95% of men smoke and live longer than the women.
Says nicotine acts as a powerful mitochondrial uncoupler.
Argues that the damage blamed on smoking can be offset by diet and suggests that we've been looking at it completely backwards.
According to him, the real question isn't why smoking harms people, it's why some smokers live longer and what we're missing.
So, there's a video in here.
Listen to him talk about it because it's eight minutes long.
Yeah, but just play a little bit of it because it's kind of interesting.
Credit to Dr. Mike on YouTube.
mikhail dr mike varshavski
Been smoking for 45 years and they're living a healthy life, and they say it's because I smoke.
And obviously, we laugh about it because we all agree that it's not true.
So, why did this one case move you so?
steven r gundry
Actually, let me stop you right there.
Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well.
unidentified
Okay.
mikhail dr mike varshavski
We need to back up.
How do we get there?
steven r gundry
Well, I have a whole chapter in Gut Check looking at the healthiest, longest living people.
And one of the unique features of most of the blue zones is that, particularly the men, are heavy smokers.
And the smoking, actually, the nicotine in cigarettes is one of the best mitochondrial uncouplers that's ever been discovered.
And we've looked at this through the wrong lens.
We said, wow, what other healthy lifestyle things are these guys doing that's preventing smoking from harming them?
In fact, we should have looked at it the other way.
What is it about these people who are smokers that allows them to live to 105, 110 years old?
And when you do that, then you say, okay, smoking was good for them.
Why don't we see the oxidative stress that smoking we all know occurs?
Why don't we see the cancers in these people?
And it's because the rest of their diet facilitates the absorption of the oxidative stress in these guys.
mikhail dr mike varshavski
So your state is that if you smoke but eat in this specific way, you can negate the effects of smoking, the negative effects of smoking.
steven r gundry
Yeah, what's fascinating as a heart surgeon, way back in the good old days, most of our patients were smokers.
And they had specific proximal lesions in their coronary arteries.
The rest of their blood vessels were absolutely gorgeous.
And they were skinny for the most part.
mikhail dr mike varshavski
How did you gauge that?
steven r gundry
What do you mean?
We operate on.
mikhail dr mike varshavski
But you operate on what other vessels that you saw?
Like you would do peripheral arterial disease screenings on those patients.
And you would find.
steven r gundry
I used to operate on.
mikhail dr mike varshavski
Because one of the number one risk factors for peripheral arterial disease is smoking.
steven r gundry
Correct, because the smoking, the oxidative stress, isn't stopped by our current diet.
Let me give you an example.
unidentified
Okay.
steven r gundry
We're one of the few animals that don't make vitamin C.
And vitamin C, and I've written about this.
So.
unidentified
Sure, keep going here.
joe rogan
We get it.
brian simpson
I mean, he's.
joe rogan
I understand what he's saying.
I'm going to send people to Dr. Mike's YouTube channel for the rest of it, but.
brian simpson
Dr. Mike wasn't having it.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't know.
I mean, this guy's the expert, and this guy lays it.
And Dr. Mike's open minded.
He's probably, what he's saying is making sense.
Vaping Isn't Stopping Oxidative Stress 00:15:53
brian simpson
It made sense to me.
joe rogan
It's the poor diet.
brian simpson
That's why I was hoping that video would give me hope, but I'm like, bro, if I could change my diet, I wouldn't have had the heart attack.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, oh, so I'm going to get this perfect diet so I can smoke.
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a perfect diet.
I think you just got to move to Italy.
Bro, whenever I go there on vacation, I'm like, why am I trying so hard?
What am I doing?
How come I'm not just for chilling?
brian simpson
Well, you know, that's the thing about Italy they have a culture of chilling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Like their culture, I forget what they call it, but is it siesta?
joe rogan
No, that's Mexicans.
They call it like that nap they take during the middle of the day?
brian simpson
Yeah, that's only, no, no, no.
It's a Spanish thing, too.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they, I didn't know they did it in Mexico.
joe rogan
Well, obviously it's a Spanish word, right?
brian simpson
Yeah, I didn't know they did it in Mexico, but the Spanish.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a Mexican thing.
brian simpson
The Spanish are like, nah, middle of the afternoon, everybody napping.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend went to the Ferrari factory in Italy.
He said, dude, it's hilarious.
He goes, they barely work.
He goes, there's a reason why it takes so long to get a Ferrari.
He goes, these motherfuckers are just chilling.
He goes, they take these big long breaks.
Oh, it was Lamborghini.
Yeah, he said they take these big long breaks for lunch.
They eat pasta and they drink wine and they lay down.
They take a couple hours for lunch and they work a few more hours and then they go home.
brian simpson
They got to figure it out.
joe rogan
Well, I think we work too much, you know, and this is coming from someone who works too much, but I work too much at things I love.
It's a different thing, I think, than most people.
Most people are working too much at something that's just making them money and they're probably stressed out all the time and don't enjoy it.
But I think if you are.
Working less and just having more enjoyment in life, what are we here for?
brian simpson
See, that's why I'm that's I think subconsciously that's why I've been avoiding streaming.
I've been talking about it for years because I'm like, if I start making money, right, and then it becomes a job, bro, I'm gonna be like that.
You know, that fat kid in the chair in Wally, you ever see that movie?
Yeah, that I'm gonna transform into that.
joe rogan
Just uber eats, yeah, if I just start making uber eats and just millions of dollars just eating and laying there, everybody logging to the discord and no exercise at all.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the more you stream, the more you make, right?
So there's people that stream more than eight hours a day, don't they?
brian simpson
I mean, theoretically, yeah.
But some people stream a lot and they don't make shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's also podcasting.
There's a lot of people that are doing podcasts that aren't making any money.
brian simpson
Yeah, so, yeah.
But you got to stream to make money.
You got to be on.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a very specific type of audience, too, though.
It's people that are watching streams.
Very different audience than who's watching podcasts, I would imagine.
brian simpson
Damn, that's hard to say.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
It's hard to say, yeah.
Because I think, I don't know if those, there's probably a lot of overlap in those.
unidentified
Audiences.
joe rogan
So, I don't, what we were talking about before with the smoking, I don't think smoking is good for your lungs.
I think it's bad for your lungs because everybody I know that quit smoking, they say their cardio gets better.
jamie vernon
This stuff, that interview you shared came out two years ago.
unidentified
Oh, did it?
jamie vernon
And there was some controversy around it.
joe rogan
Well, clearly.
brian simpson
What is a blue zone?
jamie vernon
Well, that doctor said.
joe rogan
It's places where people live longer.
Oh, okay.
Okay, so here it says Key details regarding Dr. Gundry's statements.
Controversial claims.
In a conversation with Dr. Mike, Gundry suggested.
Smoking could be linked to longer life, observing that some long lived individuals in blue zone smoke.
Mechanism theory Gundry argues that nicotine functions as a mitochondrial uncoupler and that a high polyphenol diet may mitigate the negative effects of cigarette smoke.
Criticism experts strongly disagree, noting that smoking is a leading cause of premature death and that any potential benefits are far outweighed by risks.
Right, but they're not taking into consideration what he said about food.
Despite the headlines, Gundry stated he does not smoke and does not encourage others to do so.
So he's just a scientist.
Relaying research.
brian simpson
Yeah, so what are the critics strongly disagreeing with?
joe rogan
He said they're not making any sense because they're disagreeing, but they're not addressing what he's saying in terms of the high polyphenol diet mitigating the negative effects of smoking.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, that's all he said was what he observed.
joe rogan
This is what I think in my years of trying and using nicotine.
I think there's something to nicotine.
The reason why I am backing off of it is it fucks up my pool game.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nicotine gives you a lot of energy.
And I think like these Alps, these are like six milligrams, and then these Lucy's.
I have Lucy's that are 12, but you put them in your mouth, it's like you're sucking on a battery.
It's like, it's so strong.
It's ridiculous.
They make you jittery, and jittery is not good for pool.
Pool is a chill game.
Pool is like you're concentrating, but you want to be completely calm when you're stroking the ball.
Like your hand, you're barely holding on to that cue.
I hold on to the cue like I'm holding a baby bird.
You know, it's very calm.
You don't want to be like, ah.
You know, so a lot of people stop drinking coffee because they play pool.
unidentified
Word?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But nicotine in particular, which is interesting because I know a lot of people who smoke cigarettes who play really well.
Maybe it's a different feeling in terms of how it affects your body than.
See, that's a good question.
How much nicotine is in a cigarette versus one of these Alp pouches?
These Alp pouches is Tucker Carlson's company.
brian simpson
It probably also has to do with your level of addiction.
Some people are.
joe rogan
Fully, yeah.
Some people smoke all day.
brian simpson
Yeah, they need cigarettes just to be back to zero.
joe rogan
John Mellencamp, he was in here.
That dude just.
That was one of the big things.
Can I smoke during the podcast?
I'm like, absolutely.
No worries.
I go, we got a fan.
We smoke cigars all the time.
So he just chain smoked the entire podcast.
And he said, Find what you love and let it kill you.
That's what he said about cigarette smoking.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, that's a Chowsky.
Who's that quote from?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Typical nicotine amounts.
Okay.
Standard factory made cigarette usually contains about 10 to 14 milligrams of nicotine in tobacco, which an average smoker absorbs around 1 to 2 milligrams when smoking it.
Nicotine pouches are sold in strengths that commonly range from 2 milligrams up to 12.
Oh, my God.
Or more of nicotine per pouch, CDC notes that they can contain high levels of nicotine.
Pouches with 6 milligrams nicotine or less were most common, but higher strength 8 milligram pouches have been growing quickly.
Yeah, because people are getting addicted.
Cigarettes deliver nicotine to the brain very fast, within 10 to 20 seconds after inhalation, which makes them highly reinforcing and strongly addictive.
Pouches release nicotine through the lining of the mouth, so the rise in blood nicotine is slower and more prolonged compared with a cigarette hit.
Though total absorbed dose over 20 to 60 minutes can be similar depending upon strength or how long the pouch is used.
But the thing about like pouches is people just keep popping them.
Like Shane, that dude just pops them every 10 minutes.
He's popping 6 milligrams like every 10 minutes.
Combustible cigarettes clearly more harmful overall because smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals, many toxic and carcinogenic, whereas pouches avoid combustion but still expose you to an addictive drug with cardiovascular effects.
brian simpson
That's why I'm convinced.
That people that do all the other forms of nicotine are way more addicted than smokers are.
joe rogan
Well, I'll tell you one thing that I felt was the most addictive version of it that I tried was vaping.
Those like Escobar things, those are weird.
Here's another weird thing about those vaping ones the only good hit is the first hit, maybe the second.
brian simpson
Have you seen how vapers act when they can't find their vape?
Oh, they freak out.
It is.
joe rogan
They get sketchy.
brian simpson
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
They get crazy.
I was in D.C. last year.
And I popped in on this comedy spot.
And I go to the bathroom, and there's a vape sitting on the sink.
Like somebody put a vape there to wash their hands or something.
And I go out to the bar, and I remember all the comics.
I remember I bought the comics.
Like the comics are at the bar waiting to go up, and I bought a round for the comics.
And one of them was like, oh, thanks, man.
Got up, went to the bathroom, came back, sat next to his friend, and was like, oh, bro, I found this vape in there.
And they both hit this vape.
So they went.
joe rogan
He took a vape out the bath that somebody else was just sucking on.
Some guy who could have been eating ass just 20 minutes ago.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
Also, it was on the sink in the bath in the men's room at a comedy club.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Hey, I found it.
Let's take hits off of it.
Yeah, that's crazy.
brian simpson
It would be tough if that was my vape and I set it on the counter and be like, oh, shit.
Because that probably would happen.
Somebody set it there out of reflex and was like, I don't want that shit.
It's right here with all this filthy.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Or maybe they're like, I got to leave this thing there.
brian simpson
All this men's room sink water?
Nah, you could keep that.
joe rogan
You could keep dipping.
These guys are just sucking on it at the bar.
But I guess if you dip it in whiskey, it'd be alright.
Just dip it in your glass before you take your hit.
brian simpson
You could just wait till you get to your vape.
Because it's not like you're going to get one.
joe rogan
The first hit is the only one that's good.
The first hit is like euphoric.
The first hit of an Escobar, you're like this, like, oh, yeah.
Everything's amazing.
But you don't get that with a second hit.
It doesn't like maintain.
After a while, you're just taking hits and you just feel nervous.
Like, this is terrible.
unidentified
This doesn't feel good.
joe rogan
But it's the first hit.
The first hit's wonderful.
brian simpson
You know how many vapers I've had to curse out because they unplug my phone?
joe rogan
They're plugging their stupid fucking vapes.
brian simpson
They're like, yo, what?
Yo, you was at 30%.
joe rogan
Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I need it all day.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
Don't unplug my shit.
unidentified
Junkies.
brian simpson
They really are.
joe rogan
Junkies.
Oh, they're junkies.
I see people hit them all the time.
And they hit them like a fiend.
brian simpson
And you know, the worst thing is the people that they try to start vaping to replace smoking.
They just end up doing both.
joe rogan
Well, I think the vaping is more addictive than smoking.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Because you can, you know why?
It's because one, like you said, I think you're getting delivered more nicotine than a smoker will get.
Even though, look, Smoking has other bad shit that you're putting in you, you know.
But in terms of addiction, is what I'm saying.
I'm not saying vaping is worse for you, but you're getting more nicotine and you can vape in places you can't smoke.
joe rogan
And on top of that, you're getting all these weird oils and chemicals and stuff in there that aren't good for you.
brian simpson
But you can vape anytime, right?
You can vape.
joe rogan
But you know, people are getting these new diseases like popcorn lung.
Have you heard of that?
brian simpson
I heard of that, but I ain't heard of nobody that got it.
I've heard like.
You know, it's one of those like, what do you call them?
Urban myths or urban myths?
joe rogan
There was a kid that I knew back in California.
He was one of the people in our neighborhood's child.
And he was 19.
And he was in college and he was vaping like crazy.
He was vaping all day long.
And he got pneumonia and wound up dying.
And they connected it to the vape.
Like he had destroyed his lungs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kids are damaging their lungs.
brian simpson
But you know, I think that started back when, you remember when some people have like the adjustable ones where like, Oh, the big ones.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're crazy ones.
brian simpson
Because now the popular ones are like the disposable ones.
joe rogan
Adam Curry has one of them big jams.
brian simpson
Yeah, one of them big rigs.
I think people were going crazy back then.
Like in the beginning of it, when nobody knew a lot.
joe rogan
The real vapors, man, they still go crazy.
But they're doing it themselves.
They think it's healthier.
They're getting like their own nicotine drops.
They're putting it in the thing and they're putting their own oil.
They're using like MCT oil because it's healthy.
brian simpson
This organic poison.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whereas, if you're getting it from a factory in China, Or Vietnam.
Have you ever seen that one?
There's one video of a dude who has to test every vape when it comes out of the factory.
brian simpson
With his mouth?
joe rogan
With his mouth.
The ones you get have already been sucked on.
So this dude is just sucked in Vietnam.
I don't know where he is.
He might be in Laos.
He's just sucking.
Wherever this vape factory is, this dude's just sucking on this vape over and over and over again.
Everybody's vape, he sucks on once to make sure it's good before he sends it out.
brian simpson
Or we're doomed.
joe rogan
So this guy's got.
What is his dose of caffeine in a day?
It must be off the charts.
brian simpson
Yeah, so that's the other thing.
I think vapors are more addictive because they get more nicotine.
They just get to do it.
They just do it all the time.
joe rogan
Yes, you could definitely do it.
But I'm telling you, it's like you don't get the good feeling.
Like it's weird.
It's weird.
Like a cigar, like the relaxation, the good nicotine feeling of a cigar, you get that like every time you take a hit out of a cigar.
That's not the case with a vape, at least not for me.
Look at this dude.
He's sucking on every one of these.
Check them out.
unidentified
Look.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
They got to make sure they're good.
Like, how vaped out is this cat?
brian simpson
That's probably how he gets paid in just vapes, just smoke.
joe rogan
I mean, how many fucking thousands of vapes is this kid sucking on in a day?
How many do you test in a day?
He says around 7,000 to 8,000 tests per day.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Does that dude sleep at all?
He probably dreams in like horrible black and white, like lightning bolts.
brian simpson
He also smokes after work.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Someone should see how long that guy lives.
brian simpson
Bro, that boy's artery is done.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not in the blue zone.
unidentified
Not at all, bro.
brian simpson
I was just looking at popcorn lung.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's older.
It's developed according to this.
It came around 2000 when people at an actual popcorn factory were exposed to a chemical that was causing what called bronchitis obliterans.
joe rogan
Bro, look at this.
It's first recognized from clusters of workers at a microwave popcorn factory exposed to the butter flavoring chemical diacetyl.
Wow, I thought it made your lungs look like popcorn.
jamie vernon
This is saying there's like it's very, it's super rare for outside of that, actually, though.
joe rogan
Cancer Researchers UK states that there have been no confirmed cases of.
Popcorn lungs, specifically caused by e cigarettes, although some older e liquids contain diacetyl before regulations tightened.
Do you think that's like big tobacco trying to scare people away from vapes?
brian simpson
No, no, they no, I think they invested in that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if they don't, like what if it's like some companies maybe don't and they're worried that these cheap vapes?
brian simpson
Well, there's only three companies to big tobacco is really big tobacco, so it's RJ Reynolds.
joe rogan
What are the other ones?
brian simpson
Philip Morris, or is it Philip Morris?
And then there's an overseas one.
Maybe there's four companies.
joe rogan
Who's making the American spirits?
brian simpson
It's the same people.
joe rogan
Is it the same people?
brian simpson
There's only three or four big tobacco companies.
joe rogan
This lady, Suzanne Humphreys, who's a doctor, she was making the argument that those cigarettes are probably not even that bad for you.
brian simpson
And they see the writing on the wall.
They own all the patch companies?
Of course.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't they?
brian simpson
Because the writing's on the wall.
They were talking about it in Canada, and now I think they're trying to do it in the UK, where basically people of a certain age will never be able to buy cigarettes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're doing that in Canada right now.
Or they're definitely doing that in the UK.
That's right.
No, American spirit cigarettes are not safer than other cigarettes.
Despite marketing that highlights natural and addictive free tobacco, studies show they contain similar levels of toxic, cancer causing chemicals as other brands.
Research suggests they may even be more addictive due to higher nicotine levels.
No reduced harm, no evidence of the absence of additives makes cigarette smokes less harmful.
High nicotine addiction studies have found that.
Many varieties have higher nicotine yields compared to other popular brands, suggesting higher addictiveness.
American Spirit Cigarettes Are Not Safer 00:10:09
joe rogan
Misleading marketing.
FDA previously required the manufacturers to stop using natural and additive free in marketing as these terms falsely implied lower risk.
Why does that imply lower risk if you say additive free?
Consumer misconception 64% of American spirit smokers incorrectly believe they're less harmful, often because of their natural branding.
This lady, this doctor, was making that argument.
She was saying the Chemicals that they add to cigarettes that make them more addictive.
Like, remember that Russell Crowe movie, The Insider?
You remember that movie?
unidentified
Good movie.
joe rogan
It's about a guy who is a true story about a guy who's a doctor who works at a tobacco company that makes cigarettes.
And he's specifically formulating these chemicals in order to make people way more addicted.
And then he has to go to court and they try to kill him.
It's like, you know, big kind of whistleblower type drama.
That was the premise of that film, which is also based on real life.
What she's saying is that those chemicals that make you more addictive are probably much more dangerous, and that just the actual tobacco itself is probably not as dangerous.
She wasn't definitively stating this.
She was just saying that most likely they're probably safer for you.
brian simpson
Well, the American Spirit ones also, you smoke less because they take forever to smoke.
It's like every time I was smoking around an American Spirit smoker, you'll see a damn three quarters of a cigarette left in the ashtray.
joe rogan
Do you think that those, like Marlboros and shit like that, they smoke quicker on purpose so that you smoke more of them?
brian simpson
I think they're probably powder.
Something they add to them makes them.
Because that's the thing with American Spirit, you sit it down, it'll go out.
Right.
But if I was the light of Marlboro and sit it down there, it would burn all the way up.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
I think they do that so you waste cigarettes.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Yeah, because they probably calculate over time how much money that would be.
brian simpson
Yeah, in fact, I read somewhere that that is why there are 20 cigarettes in a pack, is because they discovered that that's exactly how many you needed to smoke as much as possible in one day.
Like, in terms of how long it's in your system, when you start getting another craving, you can smoke.
joe rogan
Well, that's crazy because some people smoke two packs a day, three packs a day.
brian simpson
Yeah, those people are like, oh.
unidentified
Animals.
joe rogan
How are they alive?
brian simpson
I don't know, but I was getting close.
What were you at?
I was at a little over a pack a day where I would go through a whole pack.
joe rogan
And then tip into the next pack.
brian simpson
And then dip into the next one, yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm.
It makes sense that they would buy patches.
Why wouldn't they?
And why wouldn't they buy up the companies that have alternatives?
Like gum, nicorette, all that stuff.
brian simpson
Years ago, the VA tried to get me to quit, and they prescribed me the patches.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
But, like I said, it's like there's 12 to 14 milligrams in a cigarette, but you only end up getting one or two.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
But the patch is five.
The lowest step of the patch is five.
joe rogan
And do you feel it?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
You have crazy fucking dreams, too.
unidentified
Whoa.
brian simpson
You put one of them patches on before you go to bed, you're going to have a fucking crazy dream, and now you're more addicted.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
Right?
Because you're not used to getting five.
Man, you're getting five all night.
You wake up like, oh, shit.
You're not used to getting nicotine all night.
joe rogan
Ron White used to wear a patch and smoke all day.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's what I was about to tell you.
It's like everybody I knew that got on their patches was patching and smoking.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ron was patching and smoking, and then one hypnotism session, quit.
Everything.
Cold turkey.
unidentified
Really?
Yep.
brian simpson
That's weird because he doesn't seem very suggestible.
joe rogan
I know.
Right?
brian simpson
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think I've ever seen him change his mind about nothing.
joe rogan
About nothing.
All of the arguments that he's had with Tony in the green room.
brian simpson
I live for that shit.
I live for those moments.
joe rogan
Those are hilarious.
Ron digs his heels in.
brian simpson
As soon as I hear Ron go, well, well, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's not my experience.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was wearing the patch and he was smoking those little cigars.
You know those little cigars?
He was smoking them like cigarettes.
You're supposed to not inhale those little suckers.
Like those little suckers have way more nicotine.
You know those little tiny Monte Cristos?
Those little things?
You're supposed to smoke those like a cigar.
Like when I smoke them, I try to smoke them like a cigar.
You hold it in your mouth.
It's a tiny cigar.
brian simpson
You can't tell these Texas gentlemen not to smoke nothing.
joe rogan
Well, Ron has got amazing willpower because he got off the alcohol and just done.
Never touched it again.
Got off the cigarettes, done.
Never touched them again.
brian simpson
Yeah, I love that guy.
joe rogan
He's the best.
He's the best.
But it's like that ability to just turn something off like that.
How much money?
Let's look into that.
How much money is in the nicotine business overall in America?
It's probably way more now with pouches and vapes on top of cigarettes.
brian simpson
I think it's less now.
joe rogan
But I bet the cigarettes probably have been less.
But now so many people are on the pouches and so many people are vaping.
brian simpson
Well, the thing is, I think there's less money overall, but that's why there's less companies because they keep getting bought.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Because people are smoking less.
The kids are smoking way less cigarettes.
Way less cigarettes, and they don't vape as much as we think.
joe rogan
But I think a lot of them are on the zins, a lot of them are on pouches.
Let's guess.
What do you think the overall industry of cigarettes or nicotine products in America, the collective amount of money that nicotine products in America generate every year?
brian simpson
I'm going to say $10 billion.
joe rogan
Yeah, that sounds about right.
brian simpson
It's less than $10 billion.
joe rogan
For the whole country, I'll say $6 billion.
Let's say $6 billion because there are 350 million people plus Mexicans.
jamie vernon
That's just for the oral nicotine.
joe rogan
Is how much?
unidentified
$6.
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Cigarettes is way higher.
joe rogan
What is cigarettes?
76 billion.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brian simpson
That's more than sports.
joe rogan
Bro, that's crazy.
unidentified
That's more than football.
jamie vernon
It's cigarettes and traditional tobacco, which put into.
joe rogan
Like cigars.
jamie vernon
Cigars and, like, the.
unidentified
Speaking of which.
jamie vernon
Lucas and stuff.
brian simpson
Okay, but what was it 20 years ago?
unidentified
Was it higher?
brian simpson
Was it higher?
jamie vernon
I don't know what it was 20 years ago from what I looked, but it has grown.
It's growing slowly every year.
It's a total of 100 billion when you include everything together.
unidentified
That's crazy.
brian simpson
Well, I mean, but it isn't really crazy because it's one of the legal and socially acceptable drugs to be on all day.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
You can smoke it because you can't even drink at work.
joe rogan
Especially if you use pouches now.
Everybody's using pouches.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they're predicting the pouches are going to go from around four to six billion now.
And by 2030, so that's only five to six years from now, could get up to 50 billion.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing they have nootropic benefits, like they do enhance your cognitive performance.
Nicotine does.
And there's a lot of people that swear by them, like for creativity and stuff.
Like, one of the things that Stephen King talked about in that book on writing was that one of his biggest bumps in the road with his writing career is when he quit smoking.
He's had a really hard time, like, getting his synapses to fire the same way.
So it was really noticeable the difference in quitting nicotine.
But then again, his best shit he wrote when he was on Coke.
He was doing Coke and drinking beer.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he wrote his best, craziest shit when he was doing that.
brian simpson
No, but I'm gonna be honest about that though.
Like, I do feel less creative or less, not less creative, but less.
I don't know.
It does feel like, it feels like my brain is working different.
joe rogan
What about cigars?
You ever thought about cigars?
Or you just like think it's too much of a gateway?
brian simpson
Yeah, I would be right back on it.
I'd be right back on it.
Maybe we can get some nicotine drops, Jamie.
You can just shoot it into your fucking eyeballs.
joe rogan
You fuck with the pouches at all?
Or do you worry that the pouches will bring you closer to the cigarettes?
brian simpson
No, but I've never fucked with the pouches.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
You want to try one?
brian simpson
Aren't I trying one?
Oh, this doesn't have nicotine in it.
joe rogan
That is no nicotine.
That's an ultra pouch.
unidentified
Don't do it.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brian simpson
Maybe the gum.
Maybe I'll try the gum.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've tried the gum.
unidentified
I like pouches.
brian simpson
How is that?
joe rogan
I like pouches better.
It's interesting that, like, they would probably.
I wonder how much money is spent.
Okay, what is the patch worth?
Like, how much does that generate?
brian simpson
You know what's wild?
They were trying to give me nicotine in the hospital.
For what?
Because they knew I was a smoker, and they were like, You don't want any?
I was like, no.
joe rogan
How were they trying to give it to you?
unidentified
In what way?
brian simpson
I don't know if it was a pouch or gum.
joe rogan
They have mints, too.
brian simpson
But it had been prescribed to me and it was just sitting there.
And every time a shift changed, somebody would run me.
Hey, so you know you got some shizzer, right?
joe rogan
I was like, no, I'm okay.
Somebody sent me some nicotine mints and they made me nervous.
Like, I didn't like them, they made me feel uncomfortable.
unidentified
They're a tiny slice.
joe rogan
Okay.
Nicotine patches are a tiny slice of the nicotine economy in the U.S.
They amount to at most a few hundred million dollars per year versus tens of billions for cigarettes and other nicotine products.
brian simpson
Yeah, but you know what?
The reason they still invest in them is because every time you try to quit and you use the pouches, when you come back, you're more addicted.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
So it's just a cycle.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's insurance that you'll get back on the cigarettes.
brian simpson
Yeah, because I bet you they're not, they probably don't track how many people.
joe rogan
What's so funny, Jen?
jamie vernon
Nicotine replacement therapy?
Therapy.
joe rogan
The global nicotine replacement therapy market, patches, gum, lozenges, et cetera, is around $3.1 billion.
Therapy.
jamie vernon
Just reading that in this room sounds like a silly.
Weird conspiracy or something like that.
The Global Nicotine Replacement Market 00:15:39
joe rogan
Predicted to reach 4.7 billion US dollars by 2034.
But it makes sense that they would invest in that.
Like, you know, why wouldn't they?
It's like if they're smart business people, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you hear about that special forces soldier that got in trouble because he bet on Poly Market that Maduro was going to be kidnapped?
brian simpson
Oh, they found out who it was.
joe rogan
Yeah, they caught the dude.
brian simpson
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, he made four, I believe he made.
$400,000 and he tried to cover his tracks.
brian simpson
Oh, I thought it was like Trump's son or something.
People thought it was Don Jr.
joe rogan
Well, who knows what they've done.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, they're probably not looking at them the same way they're looking at these special forces.
brian simpson
Your boy Trump don't leave no crumbs on the table.
He's like, I need all this bread.
I'm on the way out.
I still need this bread.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, think about that the coin, the Trump coin.
I mean, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
It's legal, but it's a Melania coin.
brian simpson
Bro, if you're buying any celebrities' coins, you deserve to lose your money.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
But I think what Metzger explained to me, he goes, These are gambling addicts.
They're gambling.
He goes, They know that it's going to crash.
No one's under any illusion that this is going to last forever.
They try to get in and get out and make money while they're doing it.
It's like they just figure out when to buy and when to sell.
brian simpson
Yeah, but there are people that think that, you know, those are the suckers.
Those are who you're getting money from.
It's the ones that think it.
joe rogan
You could look at it that way.
Or you could look at it as this is an effective way to pay people off legally.
So here's the thing.
I'm not accusing anybody of doing this, but I'm saying let's say if I started a JRE coin and maybe some Middle Eastern government decided they were going to invest $500 million in a JRE coin and then I announced the JRE coin.
They put in the money to back this JRE coin.
I get a substantial stake in the JRE coin.
So I get a bunch of JRE coins and then I just dump all my JRE coins and then I get all that money and then it goes from being worth.
X amount of dollars to being worth almost nothing.
brian simpson
Is that the pump and dump?
joe rogan
That's the pump and dump.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that would be a way I'd pay you.
So, like, say maybe if you and I had some sort of a deal that was a little shady, and I said, Brian, how about this?
I can't pay you outright, but what I can do is why don't you start a crypto coin and I will invest in your crypto coin, which is a very legal venture, and I will put in $100 million into your crypto coin.
And so now your crypto coin, a bunch of people will also throw money in because there's $100 million in it and they know that it's going to pump and dump, it's going to happen.
Like the real clever fuckers, and then you just get out.
So you get out as soon as it hits the peak, like you get it set up so that, like, maybe peaks in 24 hours or whatever the fuck it is.
Like, let's, like, let's, and again, we're not accusing anybody of anything.
But let's look at.
brian simpson
Nor are we taking notes.
joe rogan
Let's look at Trump coin.
How much was Trump coin worth, like, right after it came out versus five days later?
So, somewhere that money has to go somewhere.
And so, if I invested in Brian Simpson coin and then that money, it got to the coin, it was worth, I don't know, what, What a coin's worth.
I don't know what it's worth, but let's just say it got to its peak and then you sell and you just dump all your coins.
And so you just rake in a big pile of money, millions and millions of dollars.
And everybody else is like, the people that were dummies, they don't get anything.
And then me, I didn't expect to get any money.
I'm just trying to bribe you, I'm trying to pay you off.
brian simpson
What the thing is Does that make sense?
Oh, yeah.
The thing is, America is like three quarters scams.
joe rogan
A lot of scams.
brian simpson
And some people sit around complaining about the scams instead of getting in on them.
joe rogan
Did you hear what Dr. Oz said?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
Dr. Oz works for the government now.
California has a big hostel scam going on.
You know how Minneapolis and Minnesota had the daycare scam?
California has a bunch of fake hostels where they're taking care of people.
That's what it is, right?
So they shut funding down to 400 of them.
Not one of them complained.
They're just like, well, see ya.
And so it's his assertion that that's because they were all scams.
So, that Nick Shirley guy, the same guy that investigated the fraud in Minneapolis, he's investigated some of the fraud in California.
And one of the things that they found in some of his videos is like a lot of these businesses are registered to like a hotel.
And like every room in this vacant hotel is a different office for whatever company.
And so each room in the hotel is raking in money as an office that's supposed to be working as a hostel or as some sort of a rehab center or fill in the blank.
They have all these learning centers, all these different kinds of things.
And it's all just government scams, Medicaid scams.
brian simpson
Yeah, get in on the scam.
joe rogan
Get in on the scam.
brian simpson
Scamming is the American way.
jamie vernon
Looking at it, how you asked isn't the best way to look at this?
Here's what it said.
unidentified
Of course not.
jamie vernon
I'll show you what it says after this, though.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Trump's official Trump meme coin launched at around 1 US dollar, range reported roughly 0.18 to 1.20.
And within about five days, it had crashed down from a brief spike near 70 to 75 US dollars.
Down to a high of 30s per coin.
So that's within five days.
So it spiked at 75 and then it dropped down to 30.
Different data provide slightly different start points, but they are in the same general zone.
Crypto Analytics notes Trump was launched on January 17, 2025, initially worth 18 cents per token.
So everybody buys in when that happens.
Other coverage and exchange posts describe trading beginning around $1 or about $1 within the first hours after launch.
So, a reasonable takeaway is launch price is 0.2 to 1.0 US dollars per Trump, depending on which exact tick you chose.
So, within first hours after launch, the price skyrocketed from around $1 to around 75 US dollars.
So, that's when you want to get out within the first hours.
Reports the same weekend cite highs near 70 to 75 US dollars and a market cap over 10 to 12 billion.
A finance report on days after launch, trading started around 7 US dollars on Friday jumped as high as 74 on Sunday.
So that's when you're supposed to get out.
So let me ask this what is it worth now?
jamie vernon
That's like $2 now.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So it got as high as $74.
brian simpson
Now you got to hold on to it.
joe rogan
Now you're fucked.
brian simpson
Just in case.
jamie vernon
There's a little bit more.
It's like there's more into it because it's not the easiest coin to get.
And how do you get it?
And all those kinds of things come into play.
And that's kind of what I think this sentence is more about.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But if it went to $75, somebody must have made a ton of loot, right?
unidentified
Had to.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's what it says 800,000 wallets, which could be people.
joe rogan
Collectively lost around $2 billion while the Trump organization and partners profited heavily from fees.
Interesting.
So, this is the thing.
That's just that one.
What is the worst pump and dump in crypto coin history?
Let's look at that.
brian simpson
Wasn't it that?
joe rogan
Let's find out.
Sam Bankman Fried?
brian simpson
I think it was him.
joe rogan
Well, I think what he was doing, he said that if he was left alone, he would have recovered the debt and that he had been doing this back and forth.
They just caught him in a moment where this one guy.
Sold all his coins off to try to crash him on purpose, like his rival.
And then he didn't have the money to cover the spread.
And then people wanted their money out.
And then they realized.
But he had been, they all do that, apparently.
It was what his argument was, I believe.
I think he said that if he was not, that they didn't interfere with him, not only would those coins have gotten the money back, but they would be profitable today.
brian simpson
See, I have friends that have profited from it.
But when I hear them talk about it, it's like I just don't quite understand it fully.
joe rogan
I feel exactly the same way.
brian simpson
And I can't put my money in some shit that I can't articulate.
If I can't articulate how I can make money, I can't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, not only do I not understand it, I don't trust it.
It sounds crazy to me.
And the people that try to talk you into it, they freak me out.
brian simpson
Well, a lot of times they just.
No, there's a new scam.
Somebody in my family is getting caught up with these fucking scammers.
But they're finding.
Elderly, it's like going through the elderly community, a new Ponzi pyramid, Ponzi scheme.
unidentified
Oh no.
brian simpson
And basically, they're telling these old folks that they are joining a crypto exchange, but the crypto isn't real.
So they download this app and they're telling them all you gotta do is get up every morning and make these trades, and you make this much percent of your money back.
And so, and they go, and you know what?
And just so you know, it's not a scam.
I'm gonna put in a grand for you.
I'm gonna put in two.
Fuck it, I put in five grand for you.
But you don't realize that money's fake too.
You download the app, they can show you how much money you want.
joe rogan
But you can't get that money out.
brian simpson
So here's how they get you.
So they get you either way.
So if you do, so the ultimate plan is to lull you into going, like they want you to log on every day and see that number going up and going, oh shit, I'm gonna put my money in there so I can make even more money.
Right?
That's the ultimate plan.
But even if you got suspicious, And you're like, I want to take my money out.
Well, they go, okay, well, just send us an early withdrawal fee.
So they only end up getting a little bit of money out of you, but they still get real money out of you for no money.
And even if you end up getting so suspicious that you won't even do that, well, they got you to download this app on your phone.
And so they got your information.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Most people use the same login credentials across apps, so you done gave them that as well.
joe rogan
Right.
You know, or they got your email address, they can sell that.
brian simpson
And they have your security questions, so they know your first dog's name and shit like that.
So it's like, At the very least, they're getting away with your info.
Right.
Or some of your real money.
You know?
And a lot of old folks, they hear crypto and they don't really understand it.
So it's easy to convince them that, oh, it's just something I don't understand, but this app makes it easy for me.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that the poly market thing for this special forces soldier, that he's going to jail for this, but Congress is allowed to insider trade?
unidentified
Oh, bro, bro.
joe rogan
And that's kind of crazy because you can't be sure that the mission to try to overthrow Maduro is going to be successful, right?
So if they're trying to overthrow Maduro, that's a military operation.
They're not always successful.
So if he's gambling on a military operation that he's about to embark in, he's kind of betting on his own.
brian simpson
Well, I think what they're getting him for is more that he endangered the mission.
unidentified
Really?
brian simpson
That's what they're saying?
Yeah, because if we're supposed to keep our military movements a secret and it gets out there that someone keeps on predicting when we're going to make certain movements, then our enemies will be watching Polymarket for when people bet on.
joe rogan
That actually makes sense.
Is that really the case, Jamie?
What is he in trouble for?
jamie vernon
I mean, I'm reading through the justice.gov thing.
What Brian was saying started to make sense off of here, but at the bottom it says the actual charges, and the charges are three counts of violating the Commodity Exchange Act each, which carries a maximum of 10 years, one count of wire fraud, which is a 20 year max, one count of unlawful monetary transaction, which is a 10 year max, and what's the other one?
Well, that's only two, but it says there's three.
joe rogan
That's crazy because, like, How come no one in Congress ever gets in trouble?
brian simpson
They do sometimes.
I don't know.
When they don't vote correctly?
No, like every year somebody goes down.
joe rogan
They're not insider trading.
They get busted for other shit.
brian simpson
Yeah, you're right.
For like taking bribes and stuff like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Has anybody ever been busted Congress wise for insider trading on stocks?
I don't think so.
If I guess.
There was another controversy recently.
They're accusing Fetterman of doing it.
brian simpson
But the type of shit the average person goes to jail for.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
What?
brian simpson
You want to talk about something that'll piss you off about somebody going to jail?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
brian simpson
This guy in Florida, what was his name?
jamie vernon
Yeah, a few people have for sure.
joe rogan
Really?
Congress people?
For insider trading?
jamie vernon
Yeah, even recently.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
It says rep from New York, Chris Collins pled guilty in 2019 to insider trading and lying after tipping his son about a failed drug trial, 26 months in prison, and a T Mobile stock purchase.
brian simpson
Definitely no senators, though.
joe rogan
Well, these are people that nobody knows.
Look at these people.
This ain't Nancy Pelosi.
jamie vernon
2020 scandal.
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
Occasionally, no COVID shit.
brian simpson
No powerful people are going to prison for that shit.
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
Martha Stewart's the most.
The most powerful person that ever went to jail.
joe rogan
Yeah, but she didn't even go to jail for that.
She went to jail for lying.
78 members have been arrested.
jamie vernon
One different, not arrested, but all violated the Stock Act.
joe rogan
Interesting, which requires reporting financial trades within 45 days.
Maybe that's just because they tried to hide it and everybody else is just like, oh, I just made a good deal.
brian simpson
No, Joe, but they're saying just in this Congress.
jamie vernon
In April, three candidates were fined by Kowalski for allegedly political insider trading by betting on their own races.
joe rogan
But wait a minute.
You can't bet on your own race?
That seems crazy.
Like, if you think you're going to win, you don't know if you're going to win.
brian simpson
No one knows.
But you're probably the first one to know which way it's going to go.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
I don't think those polls are ever correct.
That's not true.
They must be somewhat correct.
jamie vernon
In my case, they were suspended from Calci, so I don't know that they got in trouble for that.
brian simpson
So, Joe, check this shit out.
This is going to get under your skin.
So, this dude, Michael Martin in Florida, he.
He made an addition to his house, a million dollar addition to his house.
It got approved by the city and everything.
And after he put it up, his neighbors complained.
They went and dug up some like hundred year old statue and complained, right?
So they take him to court.
And his argument is well, it got approved by the city.
Like, that's why I built it.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
So fuck them.
But he compromised already.
He compromised and he put up a thing to block his view so it wouldn't bother them.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
And that wasn't good enough for them.
So then the judge ended up ordering him to tear it all down.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
brian simpson
And he refused.
And now he's still in jail right now.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brian simpson
For contempt of court.
joe rogan
Is this a homeowners association thing?
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
No, it's just his neighbor.
No, because everything was approved.
It got approved by the HOA, got approved by the city, and everything.
joe rogan
And he spent all his money.
brian simpson
He spent all his money, built it up, and then his neighbor had a problem with it.
joe rogan
Oh, his neighbor's a piece of shit.
brian simpson
And now the judge wants him to tear it down.
joe rogan
Can you imagine your neighbor wanting you to take down an addition to your house?
Neighbor Files Complaint Over House 00:08:15
joe rogan
Like, why do you give a fuck?
brian simpson
I'm telling you right now.
If I'm going to jail.
If I'm going to jail over that, I'm going to whoop your ass.
I'm going to at least be in there for something.
joe rogan
That's so crazy that people can take someone to court for doing something to their house.
Like, what does it matter to you?
Is it affecting your view?
Like, what is it?
brian simpson
Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like, technically, I think the argument you can make is that I bought this house because the forest was right there and he's chopping down the forest.
joe rogan
Is that what he's doing, though?
brian simpson
No, that's not what he's doing, but it's like, I don't know what the.
And I forget what the statute is that they found.
His name was Michael Martin, but they found some old ass technicality.
unidentified
Right?
brian simpson
That the city didn't even know about because they approved it.
joe rogan
You'd hate that name forever if that guy made you take down your addition that you spent $200,000 building up.
brian simpson
Yeah, because that's my thing.
It's like, how is the judge, how can you tell a man, fuck your million dollars?
unidentified
Right.
Right.
brian simpson
That's what's crazy to me.
joe rogan
And you got approved by the city.
And he can't appeal that?
I don't know.
jamie vernon
He's in jail while it's being appealed, and that's what his lawyer's like.
unidentified
He's.
brian simpson
No, because here's the thing he can get out of jail anytime he wants.
joe rogan
All he has to do is tear down the edition.
brian simpson
He has to tear down the edition.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if he's appealing, why would he tear down the edition?
And then when he wins the appeal, he builds it back up again, and then the guy appeals the appeal.
jamie vernon
It's also saying that demo is going to cost 800 grand.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
This fucking cunt neighbor.
brian simpson
Yeah, you talk about being fucked.
joe rogan
What is the specifics, though?
Am I wrong?
I mean, maybe the neighbor's right.
jamie vernon
I'm looking to see how it went down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because what did the neighbor have any.
How could that make sense?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's starting off said the lawyer for a temple.
Tampa couple who asked a judge to find their neighbor in contempt of court over a disputed guest house says there's more to the story than we first brought to you about.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
There's always more to the story.
What is he growing?
He's not sharing.
My old neighborhood, there was this guy who built a house and it was just kind of flat.
It was kind of boring.
It was just not creative.
The guy was a builder and he wasn't much of an architect and I don't think he hired an architect.
He just had his own idea to how to build the house, but he got permits and he did it.
But I remember my neighbor complaining.
And he's like, You believe this guy built this fucking house?
I'm like, What is the big deal?
And he's like, You don't think that's an eyesore?
I go, Well, it's boring.
It's a boring house.
Like, what do you care?
I just didn't understand it.
But he wanted to start complaining and get a bunch of people to file a complaint about this guy's house.
jamie vernon
Local news site.
joe rogan
The location will allow the occupant of the guest house to peer into the backyard and pool area of the Babbitts home.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Martin subsequently removed any windows facing the Babbitts property and installed bamboo.
Along the property line to obstruct the view of the guest house.
brian simpson
Yeah, they were mad that you could see into their house.
joe rogan
To their yard where their pool is.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's how it started.
That says that was the initial complaint, but there are 500 filings that they've had over five years.
unidentified
Oh, God.
jamie vernon
1924 original subdivision said it was public space or supposed to be public space or something like that.
brian simpson
Look at that.
1924.
They went and found a 1924 statute.
jamie vernon
They're saying that the company he hired that got the approval did that illegally, and that's their claim, I guess.
And then it all has to do with the other.
joe rogan
So Martin signed a contract with the demolition company and needs to pay $392,372.50 to Dynamite Demolition.
What a great name.
I want to get a t shirt.
Dynamite Demolition.
To begin tearing down the structures, Judge Nash rejected them until last week, finding Martin in contempt and ordering a writ of bodily attachment, which orders all law enforcement to take Martin into custody and take him to jail.
No one is above the law, McLaren said.
So we just want the court's ruling to be complied with, and that's it.
unidentified
Boy.
brian simpson
But somebody being able to see into your pool is wow for you to really go through this much trouble.
joe rogan
She said, oh, so this general contractor, Julie McGill, is one of the several outside contractors and developers I asked to evaluate the case.
She says she can't remember a time when a judge told the city that it didn't follow its own code on neighborhood conformity.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
But see, Mr. Martin, you fucking up the game.
You know what you got to do, man?
You know what you got to do, Mr. Martin?
Just comply.
Okay?
Because you're not going to win like this.
Do what they say pay the money, tear it down.
I'm guessing you got the money.
If you build a million dollar guest house with a pickleball court and a pool just for your guests, you got the bread.
Pay that bread, and then you take the money you save from not being caught up in all of these lawsuits, okay?
And you spend it on revenge.
You hire the most cold blooded, fucking creative people you can think of, and you make this person's life miserable in all the legal ways possible, in all the ways where he knows it's you and he can't do shit about it.
You hire a bunch of college students, you get them a prize for whoever finds any statute that can fuck this man's life up.
That's what you do.
Don't sit in jail.
You cannot take any revenge that costs you something.
It's got to be pure delight.
It's got to be served cold.
That's what that saying is the revenge is best served cold.
It's like you have to take care with the dish.
You can't just react.
joe rogan
It would be weird, though, if you always had a backyard where your pool didn't face anybody and then all of a sudden a dude put a house.
Right behind your pool.
unidentified
Put up a gazebo, motherfucker.
I'm reading more.
jamie vernon
It's not exactly what it was.
It says there was already, they put together some lots to make one bigger lot, and there was already something on that.
And so when he bought it, they're like, we don't see any problem with fixing that, changing how it looked.
And now that might be.
brian simpson
But here's also the thing, though, Joe.
He offered to block, like, put up a wall and block the, for me to have no windows.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Put up bamboo.
brian simpson
And I feel like if it's a good neighbor, that's reasonable.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
That's a reasonable compromise.
Go, oh, you know, I didn't even think about the accusations at your house.
We'll just knock the windows out.
That feels like, instead of being like, no, I want you to waste a million dollars.
unidentified
Right.
Fuck.
brian simpson
To me, that's when you became the bad guy.
When he offered a reasonable compromise and you said, fuck no, then fuck you.
unidentified
Fuck you.
brian simpson
Yeah, fuck you.
I'm telling you right now, they're lucky it's not me with a million dollars.
Because I'm Batman now.
I'm Batman and you the Joker.
And I'm going to spend my whole life as though that's true.
Yeah, I'm going to tear it down.
I'm going to sell the house.
I'm going to use all the money from selling this house.
I'm going to use all that money to wake your life hard.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm going to pay people to break in your house.
That's illegal.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
That's illegal.
You don't want to pay it.
Don't do illegal things.
brian simpson
Let a crackhead do it.
joe rogan
But that's illegal still.
brian simpson
Okay.
joe rogan
Crackhead will rat you out too.
Then you'll be in jail.
brian simpson
Cut your internet line.
Wait till you call the repair shop.
unidentified
That's illegal too.
brian simpson
Have them throw dead mice in the back of your vents.
joe rogan
You can't have it be illegal.
It's got to be legal.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
It can be illegal.
joe rogan
It must be legal.
brian simpson
But I just can't think of anything legal right now.
joe rogan
Well, you could sue people for all kinds of stupid shit and just make them go through legal problems.
brian simpson
Don't sue.
Yeah.
Just have people outside with a tape measureer.
If they're a centimeter from the curb, call them cops.
Straight neighbor wars.
joe rogan
Neighbor wars are real, man.
People kill each other over neighbor wars.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
The Hatfields and the McCoys.
Ancient.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that was over some other shit.
brian simpson
There's nothing worse than living beside somebody like this.
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
It's completely unreasonable, completely unable to compromise.
joe rogan
Nice neighbors are beautiful.
brian simpson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
You have good neighbors, it's great.
I have nice neighbors.
And I have nice neighbors in California, too.
brian simpson
Because here's the thing it doesn't take much to be a good neighbor.
You have to be thoughtful and.
In the times that you're not thoughtful, when it's brought to your attention, you have to have the appropriate amount of shame.
joe rogan
Well, here it goes.
Stolen hog.
It was over a stolen hog?
Illicit romance and longstanding judges.
Two neighboring families in the backwoods of Appalachia.
So here's the thing about that, though.
I think this is from Malcolm Gladwell's book.
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joe rogan
I forget whose book it's from, but there was a book where they explained that what had happened, I believe it's Malcolm Gladwell.
Was he explaining that the reason why the people in Appalachia are so violent is because they come from herding populations in Europe?
And so herders in Europe are very different than farmers.
Because if herders, someone can come along and steal all your sheep and you're fucked.
You can't really steal all someone's corn, it takes forever.
You got to chop it down.
You know what I mean?
So these people were used to defending their animals with violence because people would come in and try to steal them.
Yes, Malcolm Gladwell.
Yeah, Outliers.
That's the book.
Chapter 6, Hatfield McCoy feud is analyzed as a prime example of a culture of honor, where, similar to the findings in this Reddit thread, ancestral herding roots forced rapid, brutal retaliation for insults to maintain reputation.
This cultural legacy, not just poverty, drove generations of conflict.
So, culture of honor, Gladwell argues that families descending from Scottish and Irish herders brought a culture of honor to the Appalachian Mountains.
In these regions, law enforcement is weak and survival depends on establishing a reputation for strength and Prompt, often violent retaliation against slights.
Yeah, that makes sense.
brian simpson
What was the name of the book, though?
joe rogan
Outliers.
It's a fucking great book.
It's a really good book.
brian simpson
Yeah, I have it.
I haven't read it, though.
joe rogan
It's really good.
It talks about why people are successful.
One of the more interesting things is about the Beatles.
And the Beatles talks about how they got this gig in Hamburg, Germany, where they were performing every fucking day.
Every day.
They were doing multiple sets every day.
And they did it for like.
A few years and they went back to Liverpool, and everybody's like, What the fuck happened with you guys?
Like, how'd you get so good?
And they got so good because they were just performing all the time.
I think it was at a strip club.
I think it was something crazy like that.
Like, they were performing music at a strip club, like something weird.
And because of that, they were just getting in reps, like crazy reps.
And I think that's the key to almost anything.
Almost anything.
And this is the argument in Outliers.
It's like, you know, the 10,000 hours of mastery, like that argument.
brian simpson
Yeah, but wasn't the $10,000?
It's not exactly what he said, right?
joe rogan
No, it's a rough one because there's obviously people that are savants.
brian simpson
Well, I know.
I think he modified it because he talked about it's not about the amount of time as much as it's about the kind, the quality of practice.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
So, like, intentional directed practice.
joe rogan
Which would be like performing on stage.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
For all those.
unidentified
Where is.
joe rogan
What were they doing in Hamburg, Germany, Jamie?
Were they at.
Were they at a.
Was it a strip club?
Something like that.
unidentified
It said they.
jamie vernon
Played in clubs and strip bars.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So there's a lot of places, I guess, that played.
joe rogan
So they were just going off.
They were just like doing as many sets as they can.
Which is the same with comedy.
Everybody that we know that really progressed rapidly, they did as many sets as possible.
They're hopping all over the place.
Like guys in our club, like Ari Maddy, for instance.
That fucking dude, he'll go up at the sunset, he'll go over here, go there, go there.
It doesn't show at the mothership.
He's just in it.
You know, he's in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
All day.
joe rogan
And when you're doing that, you just get better quicker.
brian simpson
Just get better and better.
joe rogan
And those dudes that we know that do a set a week.
You know, come in, drop in, do 15 minutes, that's it.
You don't see them again for another week.
They kind of like get stale, they stay flat, they get stagnant.
They get stagnant, yeah.
Whereas the Beatles just got after it, and then all of a sudden, love, love, Mayday.
They just got smooth, you know, which makes sense.
That's the case with everything, though.
With like everything you do, like you don't want a surgeon that does brain surgery once a year, you know, you want a guy who's like in it.
Yeah, he's in it all day.
He's fucking studying journals and practicing with robots.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'm trying to be your third brain that day.
joe rogan
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't want to be the fifth brain, though.
It gets tired.
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
Yo, you know what's funny is I just saw something about.
They did a study at a courthouse where.
Brian From PepsiSpice Website 00:07:40
brian simpson
And they found that the judge.
Whenever the judges had.
Like how harsh of a sentence you received was directly related to how long it had been since the judge ate something.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I've seen that before.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've seen that.
brian simpson
That's crazy as hell.
That's crazy.
Like, and it's enough, it's statistically significant.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Which makes sense.
Cranky.
Or if the judge's getting no pussy, maybe he's going through a divorce.
You know, maybe his wife fucked her trainer.
brian simpson
Damn it.
unidentified
Fuck you.
brian simpson
Give me the hot judge right after breakfast.
joe rogan
What if you come in and you're a personal trainer too, and you're dealing with some shit?
The judge's like, my wife just fucked her trainer.
unidentified
You piece of shit.
joe rogan
Some people get real petty like that.
They don't give a fuck about.
About like doing the right thing.
brian simpson
Oh, hell no.
joe rogan
Well, they just want to, they want to feel power, fuck people over, fuck you, fuck all trainers.
brian simpson
Well, you know, another thing I just found out about is, um, um, I think, I think that the country is Anguilla, right, Jamie?
They, they, um, so you know how, you know how like in America the websites are all.com and in Russia it's like.ru.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
In Anguilla, it's.ai.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
Which didn't used to mean shit, but now.
joe rogan
Now it's worth some money.
brian simpson
Now they're making so much money selling domains that it's like half of their money.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's completely changed the economy.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy because it seems like you're legit if you have like perplexity.ai.
Right.
brian simpson
So anything.ai, they got to pay these people.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's so many domains now.
brian simpson
Yeah, just from something we didn't used to think meant anything.
joe rogan
Because it used to be like.
You only had.com and.net.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
brian simpson
Like, you never know what this is.
Like, bro, somebody just held up a.
Somebody, because I'm on one of the subreddits I'll be on is called Why Would You Touch That or What Is This?
And usually the same posts are on both because people are like, What is this thing?
And then also, Why are you touching it?
So I just saw one recently, but somebody held up a thing and they were like, What is this?
What does this OF mean?
And it was like, But it was from, so you know Tyler the creator?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
When he first came out, his group was called Odd Future.
So, this was way before OnlyFans.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
And so, if you saw OF, you know, before seven years ago, it meant that's what it meant.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And so, it was one of their like stickers or promo things or something like that.
But this was a young kid.
He found it in an attic or something.
He didn't know what the fuck it meant.
He was like, why is it?
Because he knew how old it was.
So, he was like, it can't be OnlyFans.
What is this?
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
And it's like, this shit changes all the time.
These motherfuckers, they got this.ai.
They never thought it, nobody thought they would make any fucking money off of it.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, there's other ones like that too that are kind of interesting.
There's a bunch of different ones.
I'm trying to remember some of them, but some of them are like.biz.
Where'd that come from?
brian simpson
I don't know.
What is that?
joe rogan
I don't know, but they have that.
They have.biz.
brian simpson
I remember back when that used to mean something.
We used to have.org.
I think.edu is still a thing.
joe rogan
Remember when people sell websites for a lot of money?
So people would buy a bunch of domains and hold on to them.
Like business.com sold for a ton of money.
brian simpson
Yeah.
But now, I think it's hard to do that now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What kind of business do you have that people are just looking up business.com?
Why is that even worth anything?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's like eating.com is worth money.
brian simpson
I don't know if you remember back when WhiteHouse.com was a porn site.
unidentified
Was it?
brian simpson
The actual site was, it's always been WhiteHouse.gov.
But that was back when people didn't know.
So WhiteHouse.so people, whenever anyone was looking for the White House, they go to WhiteHouse.com, they go to this porn site.
joe rogan
Do you know what Red Band did?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Do you know the Pepsi Spice thing?
brian simpson
No.
What is Pepsi Spice?
joe rogan
What are Red Band's greatest scams?
Trolls was he bought Pepsi Spice.com.
So, Pepsi Spice was a type of Pepsi that came out.
And so, Redman bought Pepsi Spice.com and then he started documenting how he was drinking Pepsi Spice and he was having bloody diarrhea.
That's all he was drinking.
He was dying, he was getting cancer.
It's like the fucking craziest thing.
I mean, 14 years ago.
So, play that full screen.
unidentified
169.
joe rogan
So he's losing weight?
brian redban
This is Brian from PepsiSpice.com.
A lot of people wouldn't believe me, so that's why I'm making this video.
My pee has actually turned not yellow, not white, but it's a fake accent.
It's red.
And I'm not making this shit up.
That's why I'm filming using this Canon camera, the S4 megapixel camera.
joe rogan
That's how old this is.
unidentified
Toilet.
Yeah.
brian redban
I'm going to pee again.
unidentified
I'm just going to.
joe rogan
So he's like pretending that his pee's bloody.
brian simpson
Oh, this guy.
joe rogan
He's so silly.
He just kept doing it like it got worse and worse and worse.
And eventually Pepsi Spice bought it from him.
brian simpson
Though the hardest part to believe about that video is the 170 pounds.
joe rogan
Oh, he was really skinny at one point in time.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Brian, at one point in time, got real heavy and then went on a crazy fitness kick.
He got a stair climber in his house and he's fucking riding that bitch every day and he lost a ton of weight.
And he had a photo of him with his old jeans.
This is Pepsi Spice Project.
brian simpson
Pepsi Spice Project.
unidentified
He's so silly.
joe rogan
But this one, man, he committed a lot of fucking time to this.
It was very funny.
Like, I remember reading it and, like, dying laughing.
I'm like, you're so ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Well, you know, if Red Band decides fuck you, he can really elevate to, like, a 50 cent level of pettiness.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this wasn't even fuck you.
This is just him having fun.
brian simpson
Did they come after him?
joe rogan
I think eventually they did.
But the thing was, like, they were too stupid to buy PepsiSpice.com when they had PepsiSpice.
Like, you got to buy that.
Like, who the fuck?
You should fire somebody.
Somebody in your organization is slipping because he didn't know that PepsiSpice was going to be a thing until after you released it.
So the fact that you knew that you were going to release PepsiSpice and you didn't buy up PepsiSpice.com is kind of crazy.
brian simpson
That is kind of crazy.
joe rogan
Kind of ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's just shitty planning.
That's whoever works for it.
They deserved whatever he did.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, I tried to.
When I tried to get, because all my social media stuff is BS, and I tried to get BS.com or BScomedian.com or something like that.
And somebody already owns it.
It was like a Canadian improv group or something.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
brian simpson
And I was like, well, I'll buy it from you.
And the price they said was so crazy that I was like, what?
unidentified
How much?
brian simpson
I want to say they asked for like $10,000 or something.
And this was back when I.
That was a.
Like, I wouldn't pay that now, but back then I didn't even have it.
YouTube Bans Lab Leak Theories 00:05:50
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
But I was like, what?
$10,000 is crazy for a website?
Y'all, because it wasn't like they were doing tons of business through this website.
joe rogan
Were they using it at all?
How much would you have paid for it?
unidentified
Back then?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I would have given $1,000.
joe rogan
$1,000.
If they said two, no way.
Maybe.
brian simpson
Maybe $1,500 would have been the best and final.
joe rogan
I think today, though, all anybody does is do a search of your name and then they find your website.
Like, if somebody wants to find your website, they just search, and it's right there.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
But part of me always wants everything to be the same.
And it ended up not being that way anyway, because my TikTok is a different thing than everything else.
Everything is BS Comedian, except that.
joe rogan
It's interesting that you have TikTok.
Don't you worry about the terms of service, like all the access they have to your phone and access to your computers around your network and all that shit?
brian simpson
The Chinese?
joe rogan
I mean, it's not the Chinese anymore.
brian simpson
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
It's like, you know, for me, I've never.
joe rogan
Now it's the Allison's.
brian simpson
I've never.
Because once Edward Snowden told us what was up, I'm like, who gives a fuck?
I care who's spying.
I'm getting spied on no matter what I'm doing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, what the Chinese are going to do to me?
They're going to be like, oh, he's.
joe rogan
Basically, they have everything that you've ever done, and they only use it if they catch you.
So if they're looking for something, like say if you run for Congress and you do some insider trading, you do something shitty, and they come after you, then they go, oh, Brian, it's interesting because we have voicemail.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
On someone's.
What you were talking about.
brian simpson
They got that shit, though.
unidentified
They already got it.
joe rogan
Somebody got arrested today from Fauci's administration.
brian simpson
See, that's why I'm here.
joe rogan
They arrested the first guy who was involved in the cover up of the lab leak theory.
And he was using a Gmail account to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests.
So he was using Gmail instead of.
This is allegedly.
I don't know what the reality of all this is, obviously.
But I'll just read about it today.
Ex Fauci top advisor indicted over alleged COVID cover up, hidden emails.
David Morenz allegedly received gifts, including wine and high end meals from a collaborator, prosecutors say.
Uh oh.
brian simpson
See, this is why I don't believe in incognito mode.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all bullshit.
brian simpson
I'm like, yo, jerk off on your main and delete that shit out of your history.
Because all incognito mode is, is just you going, hey, Google, this is the stuff I don't want nobody to know about.
unidentified
Just making it easier for them.
joe rogan
And then they put it in a file.
He's served for years as a top advisor with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, indicted and is accused.
Your butt's talking to you, dog.
brian simpson
Google, you can trust me.
joe rogan
Yeah, Google's like, hey, I know incognito mode is legit.
Incognito mode.
So he was using his personal email account to evade federal transparency laws and shield key discussions from Freedom of Information Act requests, according to the DOJ indictment unsealed.
It was also apparently bragging about it, allegedly.
Alleged that Merenz conspired with others during the pandemic to hide communications related to a controversial coronavirus research grant.
That involved collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.
The grant was later terminated amid scrutiny of whether COVID 19 may have originated from a lab leak.
Isn't it amazing that.
brian simpson
But did he.
How did they catch him, though?
unidentified
Did he.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, they can't get Fauci, right?
This is the thing, because they wanted to get Fauci.
That's why the Biden administration gave him a pardon from 2014 on, which is really kind of wild.
Federal prosecutors also claim that Merenz received.
Gifts from a collaborator, including wine and offers of high end meals, and later took steps to justify these perks by contributing to a scientific publication supporting the theory that COVID 19 emerged naturally rather than from the Wuhan lab.
So they bribed him to get him to do this, allegedly.
He's one of, I think, a bunch of people that are going to wind up going down.
There's too many people that are pissed off.
There's too many people.
I mean, too much money got lost.
Too many people wound up dying.
brian simpson
Wait a minute, why do you think?
Why do you think anybody's going to go to prison, though?
They never go to prison.
joe rogan
Oh, you know, no.
This is a new thing.
I mean, this kind of thing is a new thing.
And there's enough people that want heads to roll.
This is a weird thing.
I mean, this is a weird thing where they shut the whole country down.
If you find out that these people actually paid to have this virus engineered and they were lying about it and hiding it and covering it up.
brian simpson
Oh, I see.
That's not what I took from that.
joe rogan
The virus came from the Wuhan lab, okay?
These people were hiding the fact that they were funding the Wuhan lab.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
They were funding the creation of these labs.
brian simpson
He was part of a group that was funding them.
joe rogan
And he was also allegedly being bribed with things to promote the idea that it came from naturally, from natural spillover versus from a lab leak.
unidentified
Allegedly.
brian simpson
Who's alleging?
joe rogan
Whoever the prosecutors are.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know what's going on.
I don't know what they know and what they don't know.
But I do know that obviously there was a concerted effort to make it seem like this came naturally and not from the Wuhan lab.
There was a giant effort, which is why on YouTube, if you had posted during like 2020 about a lab leak, if you said, I think it came from a lab, they would literally pull you off of YouTube.
They would kick you off of Twitter back then.
Before Elon bought Twitter, they would kick you off Twitter if you were going on and on about it.
This is a lab leak.
brian simpson
We're living in them times, man.
A hypothetical could fuck your world up.
Questioning the Age of Universe 00:15:52
brian simpson
You can't even chew on it.
You can't even play devil's advocate.
joe rogan
Well, you can now.
You can now because of Twitter.
Because Elon bought it.
But before then, when the government was essentially in control, I mean, the government was conspiring to control and to limit him.
About Elon?
Yeah, people do all day.
All day.
Yeah, all over Twitter.
In his defense, I mean, I'm sure he blocks them.
But I mean, he can block somebody.
But you could talk, people talk mad shit about him.
brian simpson
Bro, that motherfucker be on Twitter way too much for how rich he is.
joe rogan
Not only that, how busy he is.
I don't understand it.
brian simpson
That boy is busy tweeting.
That's what he's doing.
joe rogan
But he's busy making rockets and shit.
I mean, I don't understand it.
I don't know how he has the time.
I can't do it.
brian simpson
But he ain't making the rockets.
He got, like, slaves or whatever.
I don't know.
I'm sure he got, like, geniuses chained to.
joe rogan
He does, but he's in charge of a lot of it, man.
I went to the rocket factory during the launch.
Jamie went too.
We all went and watched SpaceX launch.
We went down to the Gulf, right?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, they're the main guys.
Bro, you know, they just launched, or they're going to launch on SpaceX.
They're going to launch the new telescope.
unidentified
Yes.
brian simpson
What was it?
The Nancy Grace Roman?
The Roman.
The Roman telescope.
Ooh, this motherfucker is.
joe rogan
These new telescopes are kind of crazy because the more they find out, the more they find out that, like, oh, we didn't know that.
brian simpson
What's crazy about this one is how fast they built it and.
This is the craziest part.
It's under budget.
So they built it faster than they said for less than what they said.
joe rogan
And now, what is the power of this one as opposed to like the James Webb?
brian simpson
Apparently, so I was listening to this shit.
I was fascinated earlier, but they're saying.
So they weren't comparing it to the James Webb, they're comparing it to the Hubble.
Because the James Webb is more infrared.
This is more like the Hubble.
unidentified
But.
brian simpson
It takes pictures at the same resolution as the Hubble, but way, way bigger.
So they were saying that there is not a screen that exists that you could display the picture on.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's a wide field instrument, whereas the James Telescope is near infrared.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So, what is this going to be able to detect that the James Webb can't?
brian simpson
Exoplanets is one of the big ones.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brian simpson
Like, way, way, way, way more than we can imagine.
joe rogan
Imagine if they find exoplanets and you could see lights on them.
brian simpson
Like a well, I don't know if that's possible.
joe rogan
One day, just imagine.
Imagine how crazy that would be.
brian simpson
So, yeah, so see how huge.
jamie vernon
Holy shit, yeah, it compares more to the Hubble, I think, than the James Webb in the type of telescope it is.
brian simpson
Yeah, and just the amount of information that it can take in.
joe rogan
They're finding shit from the James Webb that's freaking them out.
They're finding things that make them question the age of the universe itself.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, and this thing is going to.
It's going to do, like, we, because I don't know if you remember this, but the first time I was on this pod, I told you about the James Webb's.
Wait, like a year and a half before it came out.
joe rogan
What were you telling me about?
brian simpson
I was just telling you that it existed, that it was going to change everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it has.
brian simpson
And this one is going to do the same thing.
joe rogan
The formation of galaxies is freaking them out.
They find these galaxies that are formed way too quickly, so they're confused.
And now they're starting to, like, are we wrong about how long it takes to form a galaxy, or are we wrong about the age of the universe?
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, there's the.
We're wrong about everything.
I mean, we're wrong about a lot of things.
But you know the thing about scientists love being wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do.
Well, especially these kind of scientists.
They love new discoveries.
brian simpson
They're like, oh, more discoveries.
joe rogan
They're not dogmatic.
Also, it's very difficult to argue when you get the data back from these things.
I mean, it is what it is.
We were talking about this recently that they found a black hole that's bigger than our galaxy.
brian simpson
Oh, well, yeah.
unidentified
What?
brian simpson
Well, I think you were sending me that.
I think you sent me that.
Something.
joe rogan
Or it may not be bigger than our galaxy, or it's commensurate with our galaxy.
It's like, there's one that they found that was bigger than our entire solar system.
brian simpson
It was ton something.
jamie vernon
Ton 618.
It's bigger than the solar system.
joe rogan
But that's one.
But there was the alpha.
What was the other one that we looked at the other day?
I know we brought it up the other day.
There's one that's even larger than that.
They keep finding these ones that are just impossibly big.
brian simpson
Yeah, because it would have to have been primordial, right?
It would have to have formed.
joe rogan
This was the question.
They said that it was so big, it didn't make sense that it had enough time to suck up enough stars to get that big.
That was the problem.
They were like, there's not enough time from the birth of the universe for this thing to exist and be this big.
brian simpson
Yeah, because it would have had to have started at a time where matter wasn't close enough together to even form things.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so fucked up.
It's so crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just the idea of a black hole bigger than all the way out to Pluto.
brian simpson
A black hole.
Here's the real sad thing.
There's a lot of things that are just not knowable to us.
Like, we just will never know.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And that's, we just got to accept that.
Like, every time you hear them talk about how we're expanding, the universe is expanding so rapidly that eventually it's going to be expanding.
Because it's speeding up.
So eventually it's going to be expanding close to the speed of light.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And so it's like, at some point, if there's still people on Earth by then, at some point, there's not going to be any stars.
We're going to be expanding so rapidly that when you look up at the sky, you're not going to see anything.
Like, they're going to think that everything outside our galaxy doesn't exist.
I mean, they're going to see stars.
unidentified
They all died off.
brian simpson
They're going to see stars, but they're not going to see, they're not going to know that there's other galaxies.
Because the light won't be reaching us.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
So it's like, So imagine the stuff that we can't know now, that we already be on, where we could even know.
joe rogan
I think it's called Phoenix.
I think that was the.
It's the same thing?
jamie vernon
I'm looking at everything about Ton 618 says it's the biggest thing they've ever found.
joe rogan
And how big is it exactly?
unidentified
88.
jamie vernon
It's gone.
Oh, I just had to switch it up.
unidentified
88.
jamie vernon
Just lost the.
Mass is the size of roughly 66 billion suns, I think is what that means.
I don't fucking know what that means, man.
unidentified
I don't understand.
brian simpson
66 billion solar masses.
jamie vernon
I'm assuming that's a total.
brian simpson
That's so crazy.
You can't even really imagine that.
joe rogan
Do you know what they said?
That there are more planets in the universe than there are seconds since the Big Bang.
unidentified
Yeah, that's.
jamie vernon
Phoenix is surrounding Ton 618.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is.
Okay, so Phoenix A.
The quasar, as a quasar, Ton 618 is believed to be the Arctic.
Active galactic nucleus at the center of a galaxy, the engine of which is a supermassive black hole feeding on intensely hot gas and matter in an accretion disk.
brian simpson
What does that mean?
That's the disk around the black hole that, like, when it eats something, that's where the light is coming from.
joe rogan
When did they discover this?
unidentified
1950, 60.
jamie vernon
The nature of this object was first noted in 57.
13 years later, 1970, discovered emissions from it.
brian simpson
You want to get it really get freaked out?
Jamie, look up the great attractor.
unidentified
What is that?
brian simpson
So, this scary space is so.
So, there is something on the other side of us that we can't see, and everything is moving in that direction, including us, and we don't know what's pulling it.
joe rogan
What hidden galaxies discovered in the zone of avoidance.
What does that mean?
The great attractor defeats dark energy?
unidentified
What?
brian simpson
Now, look up a.
joe rogan
What is it?
The Great Attractor is a region of gravitational attraction in intergalactic space and the apparent central gravitational point of the Lanakia supercluster of galaxies that includes the Milky Way galaxy as well as about 100,000 other galaxies.
The observed attraction suggests a localized concentration of mass having the order of 10 to the 16 solar masses.
However, it's obscured by the Milky Way's galactic plane lying above the zone of avoidance so that.
Invisible light wavelengths, the great attractor is difficult to observe directly.
Bro, there's no way you can know everything.
brian simpson
It's in the attraction.
joe rogan
There's too much information.
brian simpson
So we know everything's being sucked towards it.
joe rogan
What is that?
brian simpson
We don't know.
And it's sucking all these galaxies, all these stupid galaxies.
Everything's moving towards it, and we can't tell what it is.
joe rogan
Imagine if it's your job to know what's going on in the universe.
Hey, Brian, write me a paper on what's going on in the universe.
unidentified
Like everything?
brian simpson
Everything?
joe rogan
It would never end.
There's.
With every new satellite that gets launched that can see into the space, every new telescope that gets utilized, like we're fucked.
brian simpson
Here's the other thing, though, and I could be wrong about this.
I mean, I'm wrong about a lot of shit, but I think that it's actually physically impossible for you to know even a fraction of the things because any device that could store that amount of information would collapse into a black hole before you could get anywhere near storing enough.
So your brain couldn't even hold.
Even a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of the information.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
We have pea brains.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no way we could have that information.
The South Pole, what is this?
jamie vernon
Flat earthers are going to love this.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
South Pole Wall, or the South Pole Wall, is a massive cosmic structure formed by a giant wall of galaxies, a galaxy filament that extends across at least 1.37 billion light years of space.
The nearest light, and consequently part of which, is aged at about a half a billion light years.
The structure and its astronomical angle is dense in five known places, including one very near the celestial South Pole, and is, according to the international team of astronomers that discovered the South Pole Wall, the largest contiguous feature in the local volume and comparable to the Sloan Great Wall at half the distance.
Okay, you just like.
jamie vernon
I just were blocked by walls, that's all I was getting at.
unidentified
Aha.
joe rogan
Maybe that's why they're confused.
Maybe that's what they think the Antarctic Wall is.
brian simpson
Or maybe the rest of the galaxy knows that we're a problem and they got us locked in.
unidentified
Duh.
brian simpson
You know, perhaps we got we gotten out before and the you fucked the galaxy up.
joe rogan
Maybe back in the Egyptian days, maybe that's what they were doing.
Something you see that they you've seen that they found underneath the pyramids, right?
No, you haven't seen that.
brian simpson
I don't think so.
What do you mean?
joe rogan
What oh, you don't know?
Okay, oh, you don't know?
Oh, you don't know?
You should sell t shirts.
Did it hurt?
Oh, you don't know.
Um, they found these structures, they use oh god, what is it called?
Radio tomography.
Satellite radio tomography, and it's this ground penetrating shit that they've found these structures underneath the pyramids that go like over a kilometer deep into the earth.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Like pillars, giant columns that are surrounded by coils that go down into the ground.
And they've used this technology successfully to detect things that they know exist, like certain voids that are in pyramids and certain chambers and certain temples that they know exist underground.
And they've accurately described these things, including.
They use this radio tomography on.
There's a mountain in Italy that has a particle collider at the bottom of the mountain, over a kilometer into the mountain.
They built this particle collider.
And this thing, this information, this technology shows an accurate image of what this particle collider looks like.
The exact dimensions show it exact.
And so they're using this underneath the pyramid.
And this guy, Filippo Biondi, this Italian scientist that I had on the podcast, explained that they've used this.
Underneath the pyramids, and there's these undeniable structures that exist that go down into the ground, like very deep into the ground.
So the pyramids are just the top of this immense structure.
brian simpson
When you said Italian scientist, I just keep thinking about him taking a nap in the middle of the night.
joe rogan
Eating pasta, drinking wine.
Eventually, we're figuring it out.
brian simpson
So you're saying that there are machines down there or something?
joe rogan
They don't know what it is.
So they haven't really dug into the ground and investigated it fully yet.
But they know that these sensors, this technology is detecting.
These structures show Jamie, show them what it looks like.
So, show them the 3D model.
They made a 3D model of it.
brian simpson
I'm shocked that we can't get in there and just go.
joe rogan
That's what they think it looks like.
Okay, what imagine if that's accurate?
If there really are columns underneath the pyramid, I mean, that just seems so impossible.
It seems impossible.
brian simpson
And there's heat.
joe rogan
No, I don't think it's heat.
I don't think that's what there's a water table underneath there, too.
And they think it has something to do with the use of the pyramid.
In the first place, that it wasn't simply just a structure, that it had some sort of a use, and that these columns were doing something, and that it was probably some sort of a technology.
Look how nuts that is.
Megastructures underneath the pyramids.
Could you go back to what that one said with the.
Yeah, right there.
Look at that.
Alleged megastructures under Egypt's pyramids, sparking fascination and fierce skepticism worldwide.
You lose something?
brian simpson
No, I'll take it back.
joe rogan
So if it's true, that's nuts.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, that sounds absolutely fucking crazy to me.
I'm just thinking about the work that it would take to even do that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And what kind of a society did that?
brian simpson
And for what purpose?
joe rogan
And it's at least 4,500 years old.
unidentified
At least.
At least.
Yeah.
brian simpson
And so apparently, those ancient pyramids were before we thought they were.
Like, I thought, like, the modern Egyptians built those pyramids.
No.
The pyramids were ancient to them.
joe rogan
Well, that seems to be the case with a lot.
That's the labyrinth that's underneath, that's outside of the pyramids.
This is another insane structure that they found that Herodotus documented way back in, you know, thousands of years ago.
But this is all Ben Van Kirkwick from his Uncharted X YouTube channel sort of described all this and explained it.
And they've used scans, ground penetrating radar to show that there's this immense structure that Herodotus described as being greater than Giza itself that's underneath the ground.
And inside the labyrinth, there's a 40 meter long metallic object that's shaped like a tic tac.
So, whatever the fuck that is, who knows?
But I think there's a lot of shit from that part of the world that's going to show us that civilization at one point in time had reached a very high level, like probably even higher than we are today.
And then it was wiped out, and then we're the rebuild.
Syphilis and Genetic Recombination 00:02:37
brian simpson
Well, they didn't cure syphilis.
Actually, bro, you know there's a new syphilis?
joe rogan
I heard from Michigan or some shit.
Isn't it?
brian simpson
From Washington.
joe rogan
Probably from Michigan.
brian simpson
No, it was in Washington.
joe rogan
Washington?
brian simpson
Yeah, the dude.
joe rogan
A new kind of syphilis?
brian simpson
The dude had two, he had two syphilis.
unidentified
Two different.
brian simpson
He had two ones.
joe rogan
What a dirty pig he must have been.
brian simpson
And they, and they, like the same way that COVID was going through, like genetic recombination.
So, like, they were exchanging traits inside his body.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
And creating a super syphilis.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
And then, and then, and then, and then what happened is a bunch of old ladies kept going to the ER and they all kept describing the same man.
And they, he spread it.
unidentified
He was a super spreader.
brian simpson
He was spreading it.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
And he went to the ER because it, Because apparently, like this, whatever strain he has, it just causes you to go blind super quickly and all these things.
And there's debate about whether he knew he was purposely spreading it and didn't give a fuck.
Because they told him, Yeah, you got to come back.
joe rogan
He just kept fucking.
brian simpson
He just kept fucking and didn't go back.
And then he went, he didn't go back until he had another emergency and he went to a different emergency room.
joe rogan
How many times in human history has that been the cause of a plague?
Some guy.
brian simpson
So somebody wouldn't stop fucking?
joe rogan
It wouldn't stop fucking and just won't tell anybody.
unidentified
I mean, how.
brian simpson
How are you going to be mad?
You can't be mad at it.
joe rogan
There's five cases of rare ocular syphilis, which can cause vision impairment or blindness, identified in southwest Michigan.
Michigan!
Between March and July 2022, all linked to a single heterosexual male partner.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
All five women, age 40 to 60, he wasn't picky, reported having sexual contact with the same man.
This guy was a freak.
unidentified
Yeah, bro.
brian simpson
He was out here fucking.
joe rogan
Fucking people blind.
brian simpson
Because his was crazy.
Imagine leaving the emergency room.
Because the first time he was in the emergency room, they thought he had herpes.
Wow.
And they gave him something for that and he left.
But imagine coming from the emergency room from an STD scare and going right back to fucking.
joe rogan
And going blind.
All patients were hospitalized and successfully treated with intravenous penicillin.
No further cases were linked to this man after this treatment.
unidentified
Woo.
joe rogan
All right, Brian.
Let's wrap this up with super syphilis.
Mm hmm.
Anything going on?
When is.
You're going to put your special.
brian simpson
I'm going to do that later, yeah.
joe rogan
When are you going to put that out?
brian simpson
I think it's going to be summertime, July.
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
I'm going to put my special up on YouTube.
joe rogan
Come back until tomorrow.
brian simpson
Yeah, we'll do that.
joe rogan
I'll see you tonight.
brian simpson
All right, yeah.
BrianSimpsonComedy.com.
joe rogan
BrianSimpsonComedy.com.
unidentified
Goodbye.
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