The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2373 - Dave Landau

Sept. 2, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #2373 - Dave Landau

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Dave Landau recounts Detroit’s rise and fall—from its $500 "ghost houses" to union strikes and corporate flight—while critiquing electric vehicles, psychiatric drugs (SSRIs linked to violence, withdrawal horror), and systemic failures like the VA’s denial of Agent Orange claims. His past includes heroin use, pit bull rescues, and 13 arrests, from a DUI at 16 to Vicodin addiction post-surgery, exposing flaws in drug policies and rehab. A former comedian (Motor City Improv, Rick and Morty’s Ryan Ridley’s mentor) and author of Party of One, Landau’s chaotic life reveals how addiction, legal loopholes, and societal neglect shape individuals—and cities—long after the damage is done. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Chinola Watch Story 00:06:06
unidentified		Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
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		Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Good to see you, brother.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you, sir.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's crack a luck out.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Not much.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Just rocking the Chinola.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about your Chinola watch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad Detroit's coming back, you know, and I like how Chinola represents.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Chinola is definitely one of the things that's great about Detroit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they say, like, made in Detroit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're proud.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Which we didn't have for a long time.
unidentified		Dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Detroit is the craziest story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you know the story about Detroit, like in the 1950s and 60s, it was the third richest city in the world.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it was called the Paris of the Midwest.
		And it's a city that's still built for 7 million people with supposedly 700,000 living in it.
		I mean, so you do see a lot of like, how is there like a million-dollar condo in the same place that has like eight abandoned other apartments?
		When you go downtown, it makes no sense logistically.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ever watch that show Top Gear?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Jeremy Clarkson.
		I think it was Top Gear was maybe the one they did after that that they did for Amazon.
		But they went to Detroit and they bought a house for $500.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can.
		And there's also the people that buy them and open the door and get mulled by pit bulls.
		Or you see the ones that like there, they'll put a like a pumpkin pack.
		Like they'll do an urban farm, which is hysterical.
		And you'll see like these hippies on the news, like they cut my face and stole my plums.
		And it's like, yeah, but you're in a cracked neighborhood.
		Nobody wants your farm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, we're gendrifying.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, isn't that what you guys want?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, they don't want that at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's some delusional fucking people out there, dude.
		And what they did to Detroit, like anybody that thinks that you should allow corporations to just take all the jobs and move them overseas.
		Well, this is just like corporate decision making and it's a prudent financial decision making.
		Look at Detroit.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Look what they did.
		It's a prime example of like, that was the American dream.
		And then they're like, we'll just, we'll assemble them in Mexico.
		But we'll write Made in America on your door so you're going to feel good about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did they even write Made in America on the door?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes they do.
		Like I preferred like the 80s and 90s where if you bought a car and it was made on a Friday, you knew a drunk guy did it.
		So you're like, give me one from a Wednesday.
		Like those were the days of American automaking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See, that's part of the problem too.
		A friend of mine who was in the union told me that the automakers union just got out of control.
		They were making so much money and they were constantly in negotiations.
		There were strikes impending.
		Oh, yeah.
		And then they were like, hey, but fuck you.
		We'll just go to Mexico.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they are.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		That's right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's just part of it.
		But no, like later on, like you said, in the 80s and 90s, like you're grandfathered in.
		And it really doesn't matter what you do wrong.
		Like, that's part of the deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't get fired.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, it was great.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's great for the worker.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There seems to be like a middle balance that could be reached.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, don't be fully hammered when you're trying to put the door on an F-150.
unidentified		I mean, they should make good money because the corporation makes good money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, they were doing well.
		It was very profitable business.
		The workers should share in those profits.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, and like the electric ones, it just didn't work for them either.
		Oh, they pushed it out too soon, too.
		Because I know people that work on the line, you have like the electric F-150.
		And it's like F-150s, everybody wants one.
		They love it as a work truck.
		But as an electric truck, you put the thing down in South America where it's hot all the time.
		It's just going to catch fire.
		So it's like it's not really working out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or if you're in the cold, the battery sucks.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I just don't like electric cars personally.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's just because I'm from Detroit and I grew up and I just want to feel an engine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I get it, but I have a Tesla that will knock your dick into the dirt.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know they're fast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not just fast.
		Fucking car is incredible.
		It's a piece of machinery from the future.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a Model S, but it's a plaid that was sent to a company called Unplug Performance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And unplug performance takes the fenders off, put carbon fiber wider fenders, changes the suspension to like a race-based suspension, puts wide tires on it and wider wheels, upgrades the brakes to these huge carbon fiber discs because it's a very heavy car.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, so it's heavier as opposed to lighter like a race car.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's heavier because Teslas are very heavy, because the batteries.
		But because the batteries are on the bottom, the center of gravity in the car is phenomenal.
		It's like one of the best balanced cars you could ever drive.
		And the self-driving is bananas.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have it on there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had my buddy.
		Yeah, you get it with the car.
		I had my buddy Fedor was here the other day, and he had never been in one.
		So the first thing I always do is merge onto the highway.
		I'm like, you ready?
		Yeah.
		It goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		1.9 seconds.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's faster than that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then I go, now this is what's really wacky.
		I put in the destination and I just say, take me to the comedy mothership.
		And then I press a button.
		And it goes, do, do.
		And when I go, it goes, do, do, it just does it on its own, changes lanes, stops at red lights.
		It's crazy.
		It moves around obstructions.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, because I remember the first ones, they were like, you know, barreling over bikers.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's still based on cameras, so you could fool it with a camera.
		You could fool the camera rather.
		So some guy set up a mural in the desert.
		So what he did was he had the highway, and then he made a mural that looked like the highway, and the car just ran right through the mural.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I saw that.
		That was great.
		He made it look, yeah, and he put a Woody Woodpecker to the side of it.
unidentified		Like he just pulled, he just drew the tunnel.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It was hysterical.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And this thing went right into the tunnel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He basically liked that, but he didn't draw the tunnel.
unidentified		He did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it is what Woody Woodpecker did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's so awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He would draw a tunnel inside of a cliff.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's all he did.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Just tricked it like it was a coyote.
AI vs Woody Woodpecker 00:08:17
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Which with all the AI, that was kind of nice to see.
		I hate to say it.
		I was like, that's a little relieving.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of funny.
		It's for now.
		But, you know, it's like beating up a two-year-old that's eventually become an NFL player.
		The fucker's going to grow up.
		It's going to kill you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You're going to regret it.
unidentified		They're going to remember who fucked with the Waymos.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was watching a movie last night.
		I can't remember the name of it.
		Companion.
		And it was just all about sex bots.
		And they're like hunting them and going at each other.
		And it's like just a- Like a little funny thing?
		It was on HBO.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And like they set up a sex bot to kill one of their friends so they can rob them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And it turns out she's a sex bot and this other guy's a sex bot.
		And I'm watching it and I'm like, this is the problem.
		Yeah, there it is.
		Like you can't really give these things personalities if you have a sex bot, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is part of the problem that's happening with these chat bots with kids because they're developing relationships with them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And like one AI chat bot was teaching a kid how to make a noose.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's not funny.
unidentified		No, it's pretty funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a little funny.
		It's a little funny.
		The fucking robot is teaching a suicidal kid how to do it right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's already encouraging.
		Like, you have a good idea.
		Take a rope.
unidentified		make sure yeah that's i wonder if any of the woke ai chat bots have talked to any of these trans school shooters They might have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The last one, yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, it's like seven of the last X amount of trans, seven in a row have been trans, except one was non-binary, which is just diet trans.
unidentified		It is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		That's diet trans.
		That's trans without the sugar.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I just don't get it.
		Like, I felt suicidal.
		Like, stay at home and kill yourself.
		Like, don't go into schools.
unidentified		Or just go for a walk.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That would be good, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, the problem is some people get to a certain point in their life and they have no friends and no community and no identity and no life and it's not, they're not successful and they feel like shit.
		And then they have gender dysphoria on top of that.
		And then they're probably on a bunch of SSRIs, which RMK Jr. is going to apparently do some sort of a large-scale research into the connection between mass shootings and psychiatric drugs because it is real and everyone knows it.
		And it's just this dirty secret that no one talks about because all the media is paid off by the pharmaceutical drug companies and nobody wants to make this correlation connection because you also risk the wrath of all these people that are on them saying, I'm on them and I'm not doing anything.
		It's not the pills.
unidentified		I need these to function.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you do.
unidentified		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how your brain works.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the reality is most of these people that have committed mass murder are on psychiatric medication.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are.
		And I'm on SSRIs that I'm trying to get off of right now because I've been on for 10 years, Oloft.
		Oh.
		And I don't like it.
		So I hadn't liked it for a long time.
		And even dealing with like mental health care, I'm like, I don't think I need this.
		And they're like, well, it's better.
		You stay on them.
		I'm like, this is odd because it's having the opposite thoughts, you know?
unidentified		And so I – It's having the opposite thoughts?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes you feel bad.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Depressed.
		It wants me like really, like I gained weight.
		I was doing like really bad mentally for a while because of certain things.
		And it was, I took myself off of them for five days and I felt good.
		And then I got really queasy and really nauseous.
		Like my brain started kind of misfiring.
		So now I'm weaning it off a little more correctly as opposed to just throwing cold turkey.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So after five days, like what is happening where it makes your brain crazy?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was stuttering.
		I was slipping up.
		I was having trouble seeing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you like go online and see if there's any correct way to do this?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they said to wean it off where whatever your thing is, take that and then bust a pill in half, take that for seven days, bust a pill in half, take that for seven days, and that's what I'm doing now.
		And I already feel better being on less.
		But I was told for the last 10 years that that's what I should be on, and I think it's had a very negative effect to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, brain zaps.
		That's what I mean.
		Like, you just feel like you're having a stroke.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Electric shock-like sensations in the head are a hallmark symptom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Other sensations can include tingling or numbness.
unidentified		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Flu-like symptoms, digestive issues, sleep problems, balance.
		Your balance goes.
		Mood changes, cognitive issues, brain fog.
unidentified		There it is.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		All of it.
		And nausea was the one that really messed me up because I was just like, why do I feel sick?
		But I didn't feel like the flu.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just felt like thrown up.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I just realized, I'm like, okay, well, what did I take out?
		Because I've gone off of a lot of harder drugs and alcohol and stuff.
		So I know what it's like to feel withdrawals.
		And it was a withdrawal from.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So how old are you now?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I'm 43.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So when you were 33, you got on them.
		So what was going on at 33?
		We were like, I need medication.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I went to their, my mom had died, killed herself.
		So I decided to go see a doctor, and they were like, look, take this.
		And I'm thinking like, I think my mom was on this.
		I don't know if this is the best answer, but I took it and it was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your mom was on it?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		She was on, yeah, she was on antidepressants, and she was bipolar.
		But they had her misdiagnosed as depressive, too.
		Because I was like, I think she's bipolar.
		And they're like, how do you know?
		I'm like, you know, I lived with her for 30 years and I know the mood swings because I grew up in a house where like you came home and she was either the happiest woman on the planet or you were fucking terrified.
		Like it was one or the other, you know?
		And that's just, and she wasn't a bad person.
		She just had this mental imbalance.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And it was after things happened with my dad and like the government and things like that.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What happened when he died in the government?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He was in Vietnam and he got a soft cell sarcoma from Agent Orange.
		Oh, and the VA was great.
		They did nothing for our family.
		They denied both of my mom's claims.
		My dad lost all of his money.
		Like he was worth like $4 million.
		I think he lost everything.
		And it was to pay out of pocket.
		And he got sick when I was 13.
		He was like our baseball coach, everything.
		So he would go around the country going to like Cambridge had a very good neurosurgery place for the brainstem.
		University of Michigan in Ann Arbor had one.
		So he wasn't as present a lot.
		My mom was dealing with that on top of being in RN.
		I mean, and he was tough as nails.
		Like he would have one of those halos drilled in and he'd still go golfing and shit.
		He'd just be on the course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I'd be like, what are you doing?
		He's like, it's not bad.
		I don't pick my head up anymore.
unidentified		So he's like, you'd see the bright side of a halo.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, he would find the positive in anything.
		He reminded me of Dangerfield a lot.
		Like, that's how he was.
		So he never complained.
		And it was always crazy because he'd be very dry.
		Like, people go, how are you?
		And he'd be like, oh, life is great.
		He's just got something nailed into his fucking head.
		He's like, can you have me one of those tissues so I can clean it off real quick?
		He goes, it might be bleeding.
		Yeah.
		How are you?
		And he just tried to make light of it the whole time.
		But the government did nothing.
		And then the more and more I research it, we've talked to the VA.
		I have an uncle who does stuff, former Marine, four people that have dealt with this from Vietnam because they denied so many claims that ended up being real.
		Like soft cell sarcoma was one of the things where they said, oh, we didn't do that.
		That's not from Agent Orange.
		It's like, are you sure?
		Because he was in combat in the fields where you sprayed it to kill all the trees.
		And they're like, yeah, that's not on us.
		Then years later, they admitted it, but said, my mom filled out the paperwork wrong and gave us nothing.
		And even 10% of that's 400 grand.
		Like it gave us nothing, dude.
		So it's like, I've dealt with that my whole adult life where I have a little piece of me.
		That's why I'm not really like right or left.
		I'm very much like, fuck either side of this until somebody does something that I actually believe in.
		And when I see the stuff that's happening to so many people that fought, especially when you find out about LBJ, the helicopters, all the other bullshit that was the reason that we even went into Vietnam.
		The helicopters?
		Yeah, LBJ, from what I understand, had money in helicopters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
Money and Military Secrets 00:05:27
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And was able to profit off of it.
unidentified		Oh, God.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So, and people say it's a conspiracy theory, but why were we really there?
unidentified		Well, I think the real reason was heroin.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you that.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I think that was the real reason.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the real reason why we were in Afghanistan as well.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would assume, yeah, because that's the poppy fields.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to say it's the only reason.
		I'm sure there's other, there's military reasons.
		There's rare earth minerals in Afghanistan.
		There's natural gas.
		There's a lot of resources in Afghanistan.
unidentified		But there's a lot of heroin coming out of there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was at one point in time, 94% of the earth's heroin supply was coming from the place that we were guarding.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We were literally guarding the poppy fields, military, U.S. military, guarding the poppy fields that was supplying heroin to 94% of the earth.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
		Because the other part is there's a part in China, like some of the triangle trying to think of.
		It's, what's it called?
		But the rest is Afghanistan, and that's how you're getting every drug in the world into the U.S. as far as like, you know, actually making opioids.
		Because in the 90s, I worked in a pharmacy, which was a great place for a drug addict, especially when they weren't counting the pills.
		You could do it by weight.
		So you just say, like, hey, I got to go take out the trash and you just like open up a bottle of like Valium or Percocets and just, you know, fill your cellophane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Golden Triangle, the remote jungle-covered border region where Thailand, Myanmar, and Lao People's Democratic Republic meet has been, has seen an exponential surge in the manufacture and traffic of synthetic drugs.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's what it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's the golden triangle.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was thinking of.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee you, there was a major reason why we were in Vietnam.
		There was so much money coming out of there.
		And the idea that some corrupt factions of either the military or the intelligence agencies or whoever it is.
		And I'm not saying the agencies or the military themselves.
		I'm saying corrupt factions because there's always going to be those.
		Just like when the CIA sold drugs in South Central LA to pay for the Contras versus the Sandinistas.
		It's all real.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, look at Detroit.
		When you look at White Boy Rick, White Boy Rick was somebody who was caught selling crack.
		And you had Coleman Young, the mayor, who was pretty corrupt.
		And then you had the FBI who caught him and said, hey, here's some more crack.
		Just go into the city and find out who the dealers are.
		Then when White Boy Rick got brought in by the city, the FBI was like, we didn't do that.
		We'd never put crack into a black community.
		We don't know.
		We've never seen this kid in our life.
		So this kid, who's my cousin's friend, White Boy Rick, ends up going to prison.
		I don't know the exact time for like 30 years.
		He's like 17.
		They tried to name him as a kingpin.
		And again, he's a white boy in Detroit who's 17.
		He's not a kingpin of shit.
		And he served the longest time because Coleman Young was pissed.
		He was dating his niece.
unidentified		So he goes away.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then while he's in jail, they have him sign a thing that said he stole a car so his sister didn't have to go to jail.
		So finally, they let him out for all this wrongdoing that he never did.
		This sentence that was batshit.
		And then he has to go right from that jail to Chicago to serve time for stealing a car while he was in prison.
		His story is crazy.
		There's a documentary called White Boy, and it's one.
		Yeah, that's the one with McConaughey, which is a good movie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		McConaughey was in the movie?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, McConnell plays his debt.
		My uncle knew the actual guy.
		He said he was like, he said he was kind of a dipshit.
		He would sell guns very obviously out of his basement.
		They live like two blocks over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So is this guy alive now?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's still alive, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And is he out?
		Is that white boy Rick?
		That's him?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's him now.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He got out just a few years ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So he was in there from...
		Oh, I don't know.
		Well, he went in in the 80s.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I think he got out around 2020.
		So, yeah, if you see the documentary, White Boy, I highly recommend.
		Yeah, see, a teenage drug informant for the FBI, but then they denied ever talking to him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at it, says above where the Eminem picture is.
		White Boy Rick releases his own marijuana strain.
		Yes.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's the good thing about Detroit now is it's all like insanely legal.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Freeway Ricky Ross is doing that in L.A. Is he really?
		Yeah.
		Freeway Ricky Ross, who is selling the drugs in L.A. that paid for the Contras versus the Sandinistas.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got his own weed line now.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I know a few guys who were like heavy-busted in the late 90s, and now they all have stores, and it's just hilarious to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You would think that they would shy away from that.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, they just smoked even after.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was like, still, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But my saying is, my thinking is it's still federally illegal.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, to open up a store and have that your primary source of income, a schedule one drug, according to the government.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It seems risky as fuck for someone who's already been inside.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, it really.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's odd that they could get the right, like the permit for it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Or at least they know someone who got the permit for it, and they work there, so maybe I shouldn't let out too much.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Their grandmother or something.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's who owns the store as a 95-year-old lady.
		But if you go to parts, too, it's like weed store, weed store, vape store, weed store.
		You're like, I can't believe you pack this many into a block.
Legal Weed Store Permits 00:14:58
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dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It seems pretty easy.
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unidentified		I wonder if there's like weed store wars.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's got to be.
unidentified		They must be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're fighting over profits if they're all in the same street together.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was just in Albuquerque last weekend, and they had the same thing where I'm like, so it's weed store, massage parlor, vape store, buy here, rent here, car lot, buy here, pay here, weed store, weed store, weed store.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy how legal it is in a state.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it all depends on the state.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In Texas, it's just medical.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think you have to have AIDS.
unidentified		I think you're basically dead.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they only wanted to give it to the bad, bad AIDS people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're expanding that, though.
		They're looking at expanding that.
		If the federal government just changed the designation or distinction or whatever you would say it is, like from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3 or something like that, which is reasonable, that's what they should do.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, the whole thing is ridiculous.
		And that's how you get organized crime.
		I mean, 100%.
		Look at Prohibition.
		Detroit was one of the first places to have it when it was three years before they actually made it nationally outlawed.
		And that gave birth to the Purple Gang, who Capone was even afraid of.
		And I mean, those guys were fucking ruthless.
		And they would just go over to Canada because it was right across the river.
		And they would just either take a boat or in the winter they would drive.
		And, of course, they'd send some underling to drive to figure out how heavy the ice was.
		So they knew if they put that many kegs in a thing, you'd die.
		So there's just Model T's at the bottom of the river.
unidentified		Really?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude, it's cool.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		A lot of the old mansions still have the tunnels that will lead out into the river that the bootleggers used to use.
unidentified		Wow.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's really fascinating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So Canada never went prohibition, huh?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, and it was right there.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, you could throw a rock.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just take a drive to Toronto.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just go right into it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Civilized person.
unidentified		Well, they have legal weed up there, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The whole country.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is one of the things.
unidentified		Look at that.
unidentified		Model T at the bottom of the river.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And this was a guy who's like, I got a whole bunch.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then halfway.
unidentified		That's fucking bad.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The ice went out.
		Yeah, dude, they were.
		The Purple Gang was ruthless, man.
unidentified		I never heard of that before.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		They were the first, they were probably the first Jewish gang.
		They had Irish members as well.
		They were the Bernstein brothers.
		Their parents owned a shoe store.
		And the legend is they were called Purple because that was the color of rancid meat.
		So they hated the name because they thought it sounded gay.
		But they still ran with it.
		But when you see pictures of them all lined up in mug shots, they would do stuff, like walk up to somebody and be like, hey, I like your ring.
		And they'd be like, thanks.
		And then a guy would just cut the dude's finger off and he would take his ring.
		Like they were like the level of cruelty these guys would inflict on people to take over a city was next level.
		Wow.
		I've never heard of this before.
		Yeah, dude.
		Even Capone wouldn't mess with them because he was over in Chicago and needed some of these guys to supply the liquor.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the Purple Gang ruled Detroit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So is that a documentary where it says the Purple Gang?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That might be.
		They did a mob museum thing on it.
		I went and saw in Vegas.
		Like that book right there, The Organized Crime in Detroit, that's a great book.
		And it's got a lot of fun photos.
		But yeah, they were as ruthless as you could absolutely get.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go to that first picture in the upper left-hand corner and make it big.
unidentified		Look at their faces, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, none of them are happy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are hard-looking dudes.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they had a rough, rough life.
		So a lot of them were just like stray kids that were Irish that were just abandoned by their parents.
		And then the rest were these Jewish kids whose parents owned a shoe store.
unidentified		Wow.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, eventually they dismantled.
		The Italians took over.
		But, you know, during Prohibition, they reigned.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Never heard of that before.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's a really cool story that I've always wanted to see in a movie, and nobody's been able to execute it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I would love to see it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe somebody will now that you just got the story out.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I hope people do because it's such a cool story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It sounds crazy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like the level of Detroit mob, too, that's been around is just wonderful.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I shouldn't say wonderful, but I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just crazy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like they were nice to my dad and stuff when he was young.
		And, you know, like when he had gotten back from NOM.
		And, you know, they're just nice people that I knew.
		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nice people that kill people.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Sick alcohol.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I kill bad people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But the thing you said that's so important is that like prohibition, all it does is prop up organized crime.
		And the fact that we still do it, it's just, it's just for optics.
unidentified		It's just because people's like, I don't want legal drugs on the streets and my kids getting hooked on drugs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Drugs are here.
		They're here.
		If your kids go to a club, if your kids go to a bar, if your kids are partying, drugs are there.
		They're a real thing.
		You'd be way better off if drugs were legal and then you knew exactly what you were getting.
		Because these kids are getting fentanyl.
		Because I had this guy, Ed Calderon, the other day, who's an expert in the cartels.
		And he said they started adding fentanyl because they had grown so many poppies that the soil had been depleted.
		So the heroin was very weak.
		So to make the heroin more potent, they started adding fentanyl.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it was?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the desire for all that stuff was all because of the Sackler brothers.
		So the Sackler brothers, when they created this opiate crisis in America, which did not exist before, where everybody's hooked on these fucking pills, then they start cracking down the laws.
		So now you have a demand and you don't have a supply.
		And then along comes the cartel and starts making pills.
		And they start making pills with fentanyl in them because their heroin's not that strong.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Xanax, Percocet, all these things that kids don't know they're taking.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's the shit part.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, make it look just like the real pill.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know what those are.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		You get those pressed zannies that look just like a bar, and it's just complete fentanyl.
		And I remember when fentanyl, I shouldn't say first came out, it's been around, but it first started becoming, they put it in products you weren't expecting.
		And I had like three friends die within a matter of maybe four months.
		And that's how I started noticing, like, well, this is going to get serious.
		And now, like, there's a site I see, it's called Every 11 Minutes.
		And that's when, or every 11 seconds.
		And that's how long it takes for someone to OD on fentanyl in this country.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So every 11 seconds, a new person is overdosing on fentanyl.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And all because of our stupid laws.
		And I'm not saying legal heroin would be good for everybody.
		It's not good to do heroin.
		I think everybody would agree to that.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
unidentified		No.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I did it before once.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It was good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		What was it like?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you shoot it or snort it?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I snorted it.
		No, sorry.
		I snorted it, and then I smoked Black Tower heroin, and one time I shot it.
		So three.
		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was the best one?
unidentified		The shooting it?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's why they do it.
		That was majestic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's it like?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The most calming, wonderful.
		God, this sounds like I'm promoting it also with my voice.
		Like, it's the most calming, wonderful sensation you've ever had.
		You're going to love it, kids.
		It felt amazing.
		Like, every problem you've ever had is gone, and you feel nothing but euphoria, which is different than like Oxy and some other stuff, which kind of just makes you feel, to me, loose and tired.
		I mean, this makes you tired.
		crashing out, but you're also getting a feeling that was really, really warm and exciting.
		I only smoked crack once on accident, and that was...
unidentified		How do you do that on accident?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		They put it in a joint, right?
		So we're sitting on my friend's back porch, and he gives me firsties on the joint, and I hit it, and it had like a weird sizzle, and I hit it.
		I'm like, this is the best pot I've ever had in my life.
		And he's like, yeah, they gave me free crack.
		And I was like, oh, good.
		So I'm now high on crack.
		My other friends are pissed.
		They go and throw the joint in a sewer and I'm just sitting there like, and it doesn't last very long, but it felt really fucking good.
		Like I immediately would have done more crack had there been the option.
		But it definitely takes you over very quickly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see the Hunter Biden thing recently where he did this interview where he's talking about how great crack is?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He's spot on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was the best ad for crack I've ever seen in my life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you only did like one hit, right?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I did once and then I'm done.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like very rare.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they threw it in the sewer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you want to go get it?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I wanted to go back to Weyburn where the street where we got it.
		And I was like, we should go get more crack, guys.
		I don't know if you didn't feel this, but it's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think you're probably the no, you're not the first person I've talked to that shot heroin, but the first person who described it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was my friend Jay had it and it was in high school.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a it had to be better to get people to shoot it up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was the only way it could be to get people to that kind of commitment, get a needle, find a vein, get a fucking rope, tie off your arm.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It was awful, that part.
		Yeah.
		And then it wasn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you do it with a guy?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he'd done it before?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He did it for me.
		Yeah.
		He died of a heroin overdose in his parents' kitchen.
		Yeah, I know you wouldn't expect it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What a shocker.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Found his head between the fridge and the stove.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Got stuck?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I think he was either looking for something or collapsed right there.
		Oh, boy.
		Yeah, it wasn't good.
		Nice guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I knew this dude in the 90s.
		His name was Water Dog.
		He was a professional pool player, like a really high-level professional pool player, and he was a heroin addict.
		And he would go into the bathroom.
		Like I saw him play straight pool, which is this game where you're just running balls.
		It's called 14 and 1.
		It's what they played in the hustler.
		So you have, instead of an eight ball where the ball's in the center, you have a soft break where you're just trying to not scatter the balls very much.
		And the idea is to eventually someone makes a mistake and you leave an open shot and that person runs out that rack, leaves one ball on the table, makes that ball and collides the cue ball into the rack and opens up that rack and then keeps going.
		And a really good player can run like two, 300 balls.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this guy was playing for $10,000 in the 90s.
		So it was a lot of money.
		I was broke, so I couldn't believe anybody could play pool for $10,000.
		This guy goes into the bathroom, shoots up, comes out, and sits on this bar stool like this.
		Just sits there for like 20 minutes, man.
		Just sat there.
		And then we were all watching him.
		Like his arms are all curled up like this.
		And then he got off, screwed his cue together, and never missed.
		When I say never missed, I mean, it was the craziest display of pool I think I had ever seen at the time.
		He played like the greatest pool player that's ever played.
		He had no nerves.
		He couldn't be rattled.
		The guy he was playing, this guy, George the Greek, who's this degenerate gambler, was a really good player too.
		He was screaming and yelling at him.
		This motherfucker, he can't play without the shit.
		He's got to have that shit to play.
		He didn't give a fuck.
		He was listening to him yell.
		He had eyeballs.
		His pupils were like the size of quarters.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't miss.
		He just was firing balls in with like perfect accuracy.
		He got perfect position on every ball.
		It was wild to watch.
		He was just fully heroined up, just running out the table.
		Like he saw it in advance.
		He was looking at a math problem that was easy to solve.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And he's just basically slow Eddie and coming back and just knocking it all in.
		But it's never been like a performance enhancing drug.
		But to that guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Play for nerves.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is the thing.
		I think if you're playing for $10,000 and you're basically homeless, he was basically homeless.
		I mean, he would sleep on people's couches.
		And so with a guy like that, you'd get a backer.
		So a bunch of gamblers would come in and then they'd come up with the money and then they'd go in with you and you'd get a cut of it.
		So if you won, maybe you get 40% and they get 60% because they put up all the money.
		So it's a free shot at 40% of $10,000.
		And for a guy like that, he's got no money.
		He's staying in flop houses and he always had the same shirt on, like a throwaway sweater with a Christmas tree on it.
		He always looked like shit.
		I watched him play some of the greatest pool I've ever seen played in my life.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		On this really tight-pocketed table, too.
		The table was like a real trick table.
		Table one at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York.
		It was a trick table.
		It was like you had to be really good to play on that table.
		And that's why George wanted to play him on that table because it was hard.
		And he was used to it.
		That was like his home turf.
		He played on it all the time.
		And this motherfucker never missed.
		Heroined out of his mind.
		He had no nerves.
		George would like yell in his face.
		He'd be like this.
		Nothing.
		Didn't feel a thing.
		Didn't feel a thing.
		It never missed.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
		There's no problem to you anymore.
		There's no, it takes away every worry you have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I ran into him years later.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a pool tournament in, so this is when I was probably 23.
		I was living in New York, and then I moved to L.A. And then I'm like 27, 28 now, and I'm playing in this tournament at Hard Times Billiards.
		Hard Times was like the pool hall in the country back then.
		Like all the world-class professionals, all the Filipinos, the best players in the world.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That was familiar, actually.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Crazy place.
		It was an amazing place.
		I used to love going there.
Pick Six Gambling Scam 00:03:12
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'd play in the Sunday tournament.
		So I get down there and I see Water Dog.
		I go, hey, man, what are you doing out here?
		Because he's a Connecticut guy.
		He's from Connecticut.
		And he's like, I'm going to play in the tournament, but I don't have any money.
		I go, I'll put you in the tournament.
		He goes, like, it's like, I remember what it was, like 50 bucks or something for this guy.
		I'm like, you might win this fucking thing.
		He goes, but I got to go get my shit.
		I go, okay, go get your shit.
		He goes, I need a ride.
		I go, where do you need to go?
		And he's like, South Central.
		I'm like, I'm not driving you to South Central LA so you can score heroin.
		Yeah, you're fucking mine.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's like, don't worry.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's just.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he was like, dude, you won't get caught.
		I was like, you can't say that.
		I go, first of all, if you get caught, you know, they take your car.
		And I had a nice car at the time.
		I had a Toyota Supra.
		I was pretty excited about.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I'm not driving my brand new Toyota Supra to fucking the crack house.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy, but they arrest people all the time doing that.
		They take their cars.
		That was like the scam.
		They compound your car and then they auction it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, he's like, that won't happen.
		I'm like, you fucking, what?
		So I go, look, I'll put you in the tournament if you want to play, but I'm not taking you.
		I go, if you can get a cab there or something, go.
		So he just did it straight and he couldn't make a ball.
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dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Did you bet it for him to win?
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Vegan Diet Protein Issues 00:07:52
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I got you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I wasn't, you know.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You were probably like, not today.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was just like tired of him telling me to go to South Central to get heroin with him.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, and that's a good way to get carjacked on top of if it's just cops.
		Yes.
		I mean, that was very popular to do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A cute little white boy who's on TV.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's how they got cars.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, I would actually be buying the heroin.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is this during Fear Factor?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, this was during News Radio.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		News Radio.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I would be buying heroin because I would have to pay for it because he didn't have any money, which is why he didn't have any money to get into the tournament.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I would have to pipe, I would be buying heroin.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In South Central.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		From News Radio.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was no TMZ back then, so it probably wouldn't have even made the news if I got arrested.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No one just cared.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess that's true.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No one would have cared.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		They just think it was Andy Dick and let it go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But even Andy Dick wasn't getting in trouble back then.
		Not really.
		It wasn't making the news.
		Our show wasn't popular enough that anybody cared.
		And I was only one of eight people on the cast.
		So I wasn't a star, so I could go anywhere.
		And every now and then, someone would go, hey, you're that guy from that show.
		Hey, what's up?
		So it was pretty easy to get around back then.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Which is great if you're on an NBC show.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I mean, good or bad, but you're getting the money and you don't have to deal with all the shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was really good preparation for what I have to deal with today.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it was like a slow trickle of fame to the point when you get really famous, like, oh, I know what this is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a trick.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, don't, don't get sucked into the trick.
		But back then, you know, so if I got arrested, it probably would have just been, I would have probably had to do some time or something.
		I probably would have had to like plea out or do community service.
		I probably would have explained what happened.
		Maybe they listened to me.
		I'd be like, please drug test me.
		I've never done heroin.
		Yeah.
		But even though you're still buying heroin, so it's still a felony.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a time where they were more lax on all those laws, too.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I mean, not lax, but lax with penalties, I should say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Because it wasn't as public.
		Because, I mean, even like Robert Donny Jr., who I do greatly admire, actually, because I'm in recovery as well.
		But even with him, it's like you had to go into your neighbor's house and fall asleep in a kid's race car bed.
		And people were like, you know, maybe you should do a little time behind bars.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, he was a repeat offender.
		And he, you know, probably jail was a wake-up call for him.
		I love that guy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He's great too.
		And it's become Iron Man.
		So to watch that trajectory is absolutely astonishing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wish I could get him off that vegan diet, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Looks like he's fucking wasting away.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that doesn't look good on anybody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not real.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to be kind, but you're just supporting monocrop agriculture, which kills more animals than anything.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't want my superheroes vegan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's a nice guy.
		That's what it is.
		Nice people want to do kind things.
		And, you know, and sometimes you get roped into a shitty decision making when you're getting all your protein from soy.
		And they're like, why do I have tits?
		Like, why am I lactating?
		Why am I always crying?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I'm very emotional all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And now they're banning lab-grown meat.
		So they can't even go to that.
		Which I, I mean, it's good, right?
unidentified		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know enough about the dangers of lab-grown meat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I ate a Beyond Burger once because that's not lab-grown anyone.
unidentified		That's horseshit.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It was awful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are terrible.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those, they're in trouble because those people, like their stockholders, all fucking went crazy because they thought they were going to make money off that.
		They're like, this is it.
		We made it taste just like a burger.
		Everyone's going to love it.
		Cruelty-free.
		No, it gives rats cancer.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ever seen this study on these because essentially it's just the most highly processed shit available.
		Look, if you want to be a vegetarian or a vegan or whatever, eat vegetables.
		Eat organic vegetables.
		That's healthy.
		But when you want to pretend that something's a hamburger, it's a trans burger, you have to, it has to go through a lot, just like a trans person has to go through.
		You want to get a vagina?
		Guess what?
		You need general anesthesia.
		And you have to have a guy who's going to cut your dick in half and use an apple core to make you a vagina.
		And then you're going to have to take a rubber dick and keep it in there so it doesn't close up.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, by the time you're getting the patty that basically shoots up a school.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's all just filled with nonsense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's bad for you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's all bad for you.
		And it's not even satisfying.
		It's not good.
		Like when my friend Duncan, you know Duncan, Duncan Trussell.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was living in North Carolina and he sent me a picture during the pandemic.
		He was like, look, this is all that's available.
		And all the meat had been gone and it was just Beyond Burgers.
		That's all that was left.
		Everybody had bought all the hamburger, all the steaks, all the chicken.
		And it was just this fucking bullshit fake meat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, because at the end of the day, you kind of have to know it's bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think in the beginning, like, didn't Kevin Hart have a restaurant where he was just selling all vegan food?
		People do it because they think they're being a good person.
		That's what it is.
		Sure.
		I get it.
		I get the sentiment behind it.
		But just eat vegetables.
		If you really want to go that route, just eat vegetables.
		But guess what?
		Don't go that route.
		It's not good for you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, we're not designed to do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not saying I have the healthiest diet, obviously, but it's like, yeah, I like steaks.
		I like meat.
		I just probably the only thing keeping you alive.
		Probably the only thing I get.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I ate a lot of dyes.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I get a lot of migraines.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of dyes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of that red 40 that they try to get rid of.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was another hilarious thing when RFK Jr. was saying that they had to get rid of the red dye 40.
unidentified		And they're like, well, if we do, what will happen to our business?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, the same business is selling this same cereal to Canada without the dye because in Canada, it's illegal.
unidentified		Right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the amount of stuff that we looked at, like our entire breakfast as a kid was just cancer.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's the only thing they advertised on TV.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Die.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Just have a big sugary bowl of cancer and some toast with diabetes too waiting for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was nuts to think the amount of it, because I'm just the microwave generation.
		Like, yeah, just throw that in the microwave.
		We can just pour a bowl of this shit that lasts 45 years in the cupboard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For us, it was TV dinners.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Frozen TV dinner.
		You put it in the oven.
		The next thing you know, you're eating Salisbury steak.
		Yum yum.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And those wonderful potatoes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, those little fluffy potatoes that are in that little tin.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And occasionally the worst brownie you've ever had.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not a good brownie.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I used to love those little TV dinners.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I used to think it was a treat when we ate TV dinners.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's how I was at my house.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no vitamins in that.
unidentified		No, you never felt full.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You felt gross, but you never felt full.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just, do you think of it?
		I mean, even the food pyramid.
		I mean, how crazy is it that in the 20th century they had it totally wrong?
		With all the access to books, all the information we had about health and nutrition, they were so wrong.
		Even with the food for the bottom of was all the shit that gives you inflammation.
unidentified		What?
unidentified		Your foundation is this inflammation-causing bread.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, what you need here is mostly wheat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You have to make sure you get 18 servings a day of white bread with bromate in it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You want to get a lot of that.
		You want to get a lot of folic acid sprayed on it.
		Enriched flour is better.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Here's sugar.
		That's in there for some reason.
		Two ounces of protein.
		Make sure you grab that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the sugar, dog.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody had type 2 diabetes when I was a kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just didn't know it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Well, everybody's getting it now.
		It's still constant.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know it's there's never been a time where poor people are so fat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, like starving people are obese.
Bread, Sugar, and Diabetes 00:14:39
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what's crazy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can't get nutrition in your body, but you also have to sit down to get groceries in a cart.
unidentified		Or go to Disneyland.
unidentified		Yeah, that's Disneyland is the place you find them all.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's like, why?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they get the carts for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have carts set up there for you because it's a lot of distance you got to cover.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You do, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of parks.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I just don't see the enjoyment of a ride.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Any rides?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, not the ride you get for free to go from ride to ride, but the actual ride.
		No, I love rides myself.
		But if I weighed 400 pounds, I may not enjoy it.
unidentified		Or yeah, that would take a lot of the love out of it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It would, wouldn't it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't fit in those situations.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Especially if you're with your kid and the bar comes down and that one has no protection.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The kid's fucked.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just going to pop right off the top because you're so fat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's like this much of a gap.
unidentified		You've seen those people where they can't get in and out.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And the kid's like looking at his mom all nervous.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You should be fucking nervous.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You should be terrified.
		I used to think that when I got on ski lifts, I'm like, this is crazy.
		I never just let you sit on this thing way, way, way above the mountain.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and people would fall off all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Because they think it would be funny to jump or whatever.
unidentified		Dude, it was always bad.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, we didn't have mountains in Michigan, but we did have big enough hills.
		Like, I went skiing.
		We did a lot of skiing when we were real young.
		And then I went down a double black diamond, I think they're called.
		Yeah, I was like, I got this.
		And my ski got stuck in a soft mogul and I just went down it on my face.
		It looked like eight dudes beat the shit out of me.
		Like I was just like all scarred and bleeding.
		And then I just didn't ski much after that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got a concussion a few years back and I stopped skiing.
unidentified		I'm like, I'm done.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got a concussion and I got what's called an insufficiency fracture in my shin.
		Some lady didn't know how to ski and she slid into the trail like sideways like doing this thing.
		And I had two choices: either destroy this lady or wipe out hard.
		And I took the second choice and got up fucking, I banged my head off the ground.
		Oh, it was bang.
		I heard this, and I had a helmet on, but it was still.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The bang was loud and I was dizzy for the rest.
		I 100% got a concussion.
		And I didn't feel right for the rest of the day.
		And then I was like, I'm done.
		This is not worth the thrill.
		Everybody I know has a torn ACL from it, a concussion.
		My grandpa died.
unidentified		Oh, God, I'm sorry.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't know someone you're doing.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they do, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They all have stories.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they all have this, like, somebody knows a sunny bono who just like launched right into a tree of a mighty oak.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not worth it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, dude.
		I just never enjoyed it that much.
		And then when I tried snowboarding, I'm like, I sucked at skateboarding and was a poser at that.
		Why am I even attempting this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Snowboarding, you're attached to that fucker, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		At least in skis, the skis pop off.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You can get away.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The board's coming with you when you fall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know a lot of people got knocked out snowboarding because the feet go up in the air.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, like something happens, the feet go up in the air and you're head first.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, my son does it, and he's 10.
		And I let him, but he's pretty good at it.
		But I always get very nervous when he goes to do it.
		But he's good with, I mean, he's a very good athlete.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The good thing is, little kids have less weight, and when they're falling, it's not as painful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they're all flexible and pliable.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, he broke his arm.
		It was crazy.
		And he was better in like, it was like eight days.
		It was like Wolverine.
		It's like, how did you, how did you do this?
		Like, I tore my, what is it, meniscus ACL, blew off half my kneecap.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, I was making fun of my friend, and then he tackled me.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And we were on a linoleum floor with keg beer.
unidentified		Oh, no.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So instead of instead of going to the hospital when it was in a lot of pain, I'm like, I'll just wait till the morning.
		And I had my friends carry me around this party.
		And then the next morning, I'm like, yeah, this isn't moving at all.
		So my friend Jimmy drove me to the hospital and dude, it was like out of a like sitcom.
		Like doctors opened up a door into my leg.
		He wheeled me into a drinking fountain on accident.
		Like I broke my leg more just trying to get into the hospital.
		And then by the time I got in for them to do the surgery, they're like, what happened?
		I couldn't be like, oh, I was drunk at my friend's house.
		You know, I was like, oh, I slipped on ice.
		It was winter.
		I was walking to my car and they're like, this is a lot of damage for just slipping on ice because I just twisted it all night.
		And I should have known.
		I mean, my foot was like behind me.
		Oh, God.
		When I did it.
		Like, my knee just is.
		So I have rods in my right knee.
		So I just really have rods to keep it together?
		Three, yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was that bad.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like, you can hear it pop sometimes when I walk.
		It's pretty nice.
		Does it hurt?
		Sometimes, but not as bad as you think it would.
		If I'm like doing a treadmill for a long time, or if I do something where we're just outside, like, because I'll go hiking or whatever, my wife likes it.
		So we'll do that.
		But I like it.
		That'll hurt after maybe a couple miles, but not like a severe pain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is annoying.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And you can like weather messes with it in the sense, but nothing crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do they, is there an option to take those rods out?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because I know a lot of them, they put them in there so that the bones heal correctly, right?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There might be.
		I mean, it's been 25 years.
		I'm sure there's been advancements in it, and I just don't bring it up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet your bones are just growing around it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and I'm sure it's destroyed.
		They're probably like, why didn't you come in?
		I'd be like, you didn't bring it up either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know a guy who broke his arm and the screws from the plate that kept his arm together were popping through his skin.
		So he had another operation.
		They opened up his arm again and took the plate out because the arm had healed, like the bones had fused, but then the plates and the screws started backing out.
		That's through his skin.
		They're poking through his skin.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what happened to my son.
		And it sucks.
		He was like six.
		And him and his friend were hanging out at his friend's house.
		And they had like a slide that was eight feet in the air and they both decided to jump off of it.
		Oh, God.
		And he landed funny and he's a little kid.
		So I was at my friend's mom's funeral.
		I like rushed back to get him.
		It's the worst thing in the world when it's your kid.
		It's just the worst.
		But yeah, we made sure like he got the screws out.
		He got the right, like everything went fine.
		But the way that makes you heal so dude, it was honestly like they cut the cast off like two weeks before they were supposed to because he's like, I can go like this.
		I'm like, that's amazing.
		Because I remember I would like go to bars still and I was still underage, but I was still going to bars with like a cast on.
		Oh, boy.
		Like a full-blown knee brace.
		And I, you know, I'm wearing like track suits and like I had chains and earrings.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was that kid.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So I just, I'm like, just like a raver stoner.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just walking around with my crutches.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long did it take before you could walk again?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Properly?
		About six months.
		Now, every now and then I do walk with a limp because it just kind of goes out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does your friend still feel embarrassed by this?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		No, it's one of those guys you've known for so long.
		He didn't care then.
		And I was saying stuff to him the kindest I deserved it.
		So like, I mean, he felt really bad.
		I should say that, but no, it's not anything.
		The girl who owned the house went nuts and she was so hot.
		And I always had a crush on her.
		And she's like, your family's going to sue me.
		I'm like, my family's not going to sue any.
		They don't sue people, but we're not going to sue you.
		And I think my dad had passed at that point.
		And she's like so freaking out because she would have these wild Christmas parties every year where it happened.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And that ended the wild Christmas parties.
		And she's like, yeah, you never sued.
		I'm like, yeah, why would I sue?
		Because I'm stupid.
		Like, it was my fault.
		And then I just went out and said, yeah, I fell on ice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that a gross thing that people would just sue?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If they did something stupid in your house, they would sue you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I've never, never.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, I can understand points where people have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just such a scammer mentality.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's a shit thing to do to anybody.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's like somebody who like slips delivering a package or any of that stuff that's possible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was a lady that was, when my kids were younger, there was this lady that was a single mom, and her daughter was playing with my daughter.
		And, you know, they'd come over the house.
		And she went to another person's house.
		And, you know, like, they'd have play dates like kids do.
		And she wasn't there.
		So she comes to pick up her daughter.
		And they have a dog.
		And the dog is a very friendly dog.
		And the dog, you know, it jumps up to like, you know, dogs do that.
		Of course.
		And scraped her with its claws.
		Just scraped her with its claws.
		She sued the family for $50,000.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And won.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they just settled.
		They settled because they were informed, listen, legal fee is going to be probably $100,000.
		She wants $50,000.
		So this fucking asshole, all a dog did, dog nails, just scratched her a little bit.
		Not even like bleeding, nothing crazy, just normal.
		Oh, your dog's crazy.
		Like where you and I would be like, what a cute dog.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was like, ooh, opportunity to sue this family that's wealthy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Especially the fact that that's just what they do.
		I remember when we were young, there were two pit bulls that were at this house behind a camp we were at.
		And this one kid was always throwing rocks at them.
		And we were like, you shouldn't do that because we like the dogs.
		And the camp had its own golden retriever.
		And it was fine with the pit bull.
		They'd run on the fences and stuff.
		So that's when I first even started getting used to dogs when I was young because I've always liked dogs and I have too and I've had tons.
		But I remember that the pit bull, once the kid stuck his finger through the fence, took off these two parts, these two tops of his finger.
		And like they sued.
		They put the dog down and we were like, he's been chucking rocks at those things all summer.
		Like he's been antagonizing these animals all summer.
		And I mean, it sucks that it happens, but it's like...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It sucks that your kid's stupid too.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sucks that he was told not to do it a bunch of times, and then there was a consequence to this shitty action.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, how did you raise a kid that's throwing rocks at dogs?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what kind of a kid would throw rocks at a dog?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's like the first thing you find that has unconditional love for you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's the first thing that like you trust in a different way than a human.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did he have dogs?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's no way he did.
		I don't remember him well.
		I remember the blood and the screaming, but I don't remember much about him other than that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He had weird handshakes afterwards.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I knew his penmanship wasn't very good after.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Old stubs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he does.
unidentified		Pit bulls are tricky dogs, though.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		My brother's had ones where, yeah, he's rescued a couple, and I've had friends who have saved them in Detroit from fights where because they would throw them in a back alley, the losers, and sometimes my friends would take them and get them sewn up and keep them.
		But those dogs specifically would kind of only be left alone for the owner.
		Like my friend would keep it just for him, like locked up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they're usually fine with people.
		The real issue with pit bulls is dogs and children.
		They think of children as animals.
		They don't know that a child is a person.
		At least it seems like they don't because they attack kids.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, and children don't know dogs are animals sometimes.
		And that's kind of how I treat with my kids.
		Like you have to understand that, you know, like when you're rough housing or whatever, like there's a, you got to be real careful because she may not necessarily know what you're doing.
		You know, and he learned that at a young age, and dogs love him.
		But a lot of times kids can be really, really rough with dogs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they can be.
		Sure.
		Especially if they don't grow up with them.
		They don't know.
		They're not taught.
		But the thing is, if you have a sweet dog, like I have a golden retriever, and if my kids thought all dogs were like my dog, and then they went up to another dog and grabbed his face, that dog might bite your fucking face off.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and goldens are the best.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		They're just designed to be the sweetest animals on the planet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's the nicest dog of all time.
		The best pet ever.
		He's just the homie.
		He'd come home.
		He's like, hello.
		He wags his head.
		He always has to greet you with a toy.
		Like as soon as I come in the house, he grabs one of his toys and runs up to you with a toy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's the nicest feeling in the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're the sweetest dogs.
		He cuddles with me when I watch TV.
		He climbs up, like literally lies in my lap.
		You know, he's 75 pounds.
		He puts his fucking head on my chest.
		And he just likes to be pet while I'm watching TV.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just want to be with you.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's the nicest thing.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I, you know, I had a Rottweiler, and people are afraid of those, but she was the sweetest dog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it is how you treat them.
		But it's also the breed.
		It's also the bloodline.
		Like, if you get a game-bred pit bull and you expect it to be cool with other dogs, you're out of your fucking mind.
		That dog is designed to fight dogs.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, but if you get a good dog and you train him well and teach him, and it takes a lot of responsibility.
		You know, like people that run out and get like a German Shepherd or a Belgian Malamoi and think they're going to get in the yard.
		You just literally got like an elite super athlete for a pet.
		You know, and you're just thinking you're just going to leave in the yard and occasionally throw the ball to it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The fuck out of here.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You never walk it, so it's got a bunch of pent-up anger and energy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like a high school kid that's been left in a confined space.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		See how it works when he comes out into the real world.
		Bring him to a dog park.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that video of the dog parks?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Some of them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What video?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's one video where a guy, his dog is attacking one dog and some dude runs up out of nowhere and just shoves his finger in one dog's ass.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that works.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it did, but it was still the most ridiculous thing.
		Like this guy just runs in like he thinks he's Superman.
		It's like, I've got it, and just starts to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, if a dog has a lock on another dog, that's one of the only ways to let him go.
unidentified		Is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it worked.
		I hear it works.
		I've never done it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		But I've never tried it myself.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hoses work.
		When dogs would fight with each other, you could hose them.
		And a lot of times they'll let go.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just freak out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting hit in the face with a jet of water.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that will do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, the really fucked up thing is that people bred dogs for fighting and they like to fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, when they fight, they wag their tails.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're having fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's crazy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You watch them like literally chewing each other's faces off and they're wagging their tails.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a border collie at the same time as a Rottweiler and they were both pretty, you know, they both enjoyed fighting each other.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fun, but I'd always play fighting.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And you'd always just watch for the tail waggling because they'd be flipping each other over.
		Right.
		Like when we first got the rot, we went to a dog park because they were like newer to us in Michigan.
		And this one dog just kept coming up that was bigger than my rot, but kept kind of like messing with her.
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unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then finally, my rot grabbed her by the neck and flipped this dog over and was just like pinning it with her mouth.
		And then the dog gave up and was showing its belly.
		And I'm like, oh, fuck.
		I'm like, are we going to leave the dog park now?
		You know, like people were like freaking out and screaming.
		But the dog kept like coming up and like nipping my dog until my dog finally just like attacked back real quick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is what dogs do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have to establish dominance.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what she did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was at a dog park once and somebody brought a wolf.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was the wildest thing.
		You got a wolf?
		All the dogs immediately knew it wasn't a dog.
		Some guy had one of those 7-8 timber wolf dogs.
		You know, because you can get them dogs where they're not really dogs.
		It's a wolf.
		And this thing just walked in, and every dog was like, that's not a fucking dog.
		They all scattered.
		It was wild to watch.
		It was big, too, man.
		It was really big.
		It was like 100-plus pounds.
		And just big fucking mouth, big long mouth.
		And it just looked like a wolf.
		And every dog knew it wasn't a dog.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Were they just all backing in the corner?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because wolves eat dogs.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, they did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They knew.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They fucking, there was a thing like the smell, the look, whatever.
		No dog was sizing up with it at all.
		No.
		Every dog just ran away.
		It was weird.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have that instinct.
		And that thing is like what dogs.
		Like, that's like if a caveman walked in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's the original OG of what we're supposed to do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		This is not a wolf.
		Oh, yeah.
		I've seen this video.
		This video is wild.
		So there's all these dogs are fighting.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And check out this one dog walks in and he's the fucking boss.
		And he's this dog.
		Look, all the other dogs back the fuck away from him.
		Look, they all back away.
		This one dog.
		And he gets on that dog.
		Like, look what happens.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, every one of them just acts right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like John Wick of dogs.
		Look at this.
		The dog just lays down and he just gets on top of them.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I once saw this dog kill one of us with a pencil.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what kind of dog that is.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I don't know either.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The black one?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be the white one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The one that's dominant.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That one right there.
		I mean, oh, the black one was cowering.
		I was looking at the wrong dog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was a little bit of a course now, I believe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you take a photo of that dog and run it through Google image?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The dog looks like Benji.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's crazy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like it's probably just they knew it had a hard life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		My friend has a dog like that that's a small, it's a darker, like a gray and brown dog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he takes it pig hunting, and it's the most savage fucking dog I've ever seen in my life.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		This dog just chases pigs.
		It's crazy.
		And pigs are tough.
		Oh, yeah.
		But this dog is just nuts, man.
unidentified		Dude, that's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What kind of dog is that?
		Come on, Chuck GPT.
		A mixed or breed or a mutt based on appearance.
		Shaggy, wiry coat, body structure.
		How crazy is AI?
		A wolfhound or terrier mixes.
		Large size and sturdy build might also suggest some Central Asian shepherd or Kangal ancestry, especially if the dog is used as a livestock guardian.
		However, without a clearer look and more context, like the dog's size, weight, or behavior, it's difficult to definitively identify the breed.
		It's likely a mix of working or guardian breeds common in rural or semi-rural areas.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that thing they just knew had it tough.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Because it just came in and didn't get it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not even a big dog.
		That's what's crazy.
		Like, yo, but that was kind of what it was like when that wolf showed up at the dog park.
		All the other dogs were just like, what in the holy fuck is this?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Was it you?
		I think you were talking about it.
		Maybe it was, I don't know, but it's about a guy who trains wolves.
		And he was saying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've had people on that work with wolves.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't really train wolves.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, but I think it was like the movie The Gray, you know, like taken with wolves or whatever.
		And like he said during it that he has to fall down as the stuntman or whatever.
		So the second he gets home, one of the wolves is going to try to take his spot on top.
		So you got to like grab the wolf and hold it up in the air.
		And like that's like the main thing to do to get it to stop.
		But like every night he just has to prepare himself for fighting a wolf when he gets home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh Jesus.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Which is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so stupid.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		But I mean they all just they're pack animals.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so as soon as you leave, they take the dominant spot.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have a good day of filming and there's just this wolf looking at you the whole car ride home saying if he's going to take like your shit once you get home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I knew a dude who had three of those, three of those wolf dogs, and he was a piece of shit.
		And they got out of his yard and killed the neighbor's sheep and he lied about it.
		He's like, no, my dog.
		Why my dog?
		Killed like eight sheep.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's yours.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they just kill for fun.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, there's just sheep that just commit suicide?
		What kid?
		Mountain Lion?
		What did this?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's coyotes and stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't like that, though.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That kind of damage.
		Coyote would have a hard time taking out a sheep.
		It would take a long time.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		But they grab small dogs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		But before COVID, in Detroit and like the suburbs, we never had coyotes, like it seemed, like any of that stuff.
		And then after, you see them all the time.
		Like I would walk out and there'd just be like a deer in my front lawn.
		I'm like, this is bizarre in this part.
		And then, yeah, now you have ones that like hop fences and grab small dogs and jump away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, they're everywhere now.
		They're in all 50 states, and then they're in every major city.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're a wild animal.
		I mean, a really interesting animal, I should say.
		Obviously, they're wild.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Because when I first saw them, they'd be crossing the street at night.
		I'd be coming back from a gig, and I'm like, is that a dog?
		Should I stop?
		And then it's clearly just a coyote.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I'd never seen them up close like that ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're in Central Park.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I used to walk by there all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That looks like what it is.
		That looks similar.
		A Bosnian Barack.
		A Bosnian broken-haired hound called Barak.
		Yeah, it looks similar.
		Fights bears?
		That makes sense.
		That makes sense.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That would make sense why all those dogs are like, this motherfucker's not playing.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, he takes down grizzlies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He is not playing.
unidentified		Jeez.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A scent hound.
		Yeah, that's what my friend's dog looks like.
		And it's a little dog.
		It's a girl.
		And she's fucking ferocious.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And just hasn't...
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, a pig and a bear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pigs are like wild pigs are some of the most ferocious sounding animals.
		I remember the first time I ever went hunting pigs, we were going down this dirt road, and to the right of us was like heavily wooded, like high grass, and they were in the grass near us.
		And then they started fighting, and it sounded like demons, like orcs.
		They were just going to war, like maybe 10, 15 feet from us.
		Well, we couldn't see them because of the tall grass.
		The sound was nuts.
		Like, this sound is insane.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Where do you hunt them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This was in California.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		California, where, oddly enough, they think most of them came from William Randolph Hearst's estate.
		Because William Randolph Hearst, the same piece of shit that Orson Welles covered in the movie Rosebud, the same reason why marijuana became illegal.
		That guy.
		William Randolph Hearst had an enormous estate and he had wild boars out there on his estate.
		And of course they got free.
		And now Central California, all that area is like San Jose, they have a giant problem with them.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they like show up on people's lawns and tear their lawns apart and you wake up in the middle of the night, there's 10 wild pigs on your fucking front lawn.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Do they attack animals though?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, they kill people.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So one old lady got killed by wild pigs.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		What a way to go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking dirty, filthy demons tearing your face off.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Not that it's funny, but I mean, you just don't expect it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Kind of funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, they're all.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		How did grandma go?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You're like, oh, she was torn to death by pigs, wild ones, in her suburb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		With this place that I was at.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Hold a sec.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They, you know, they hunt them a lot, and that's what we're doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They taste good.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would imagine.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is pork.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a different kind of pork.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like a darker meat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I've never had it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they're not eating just grain.
		They're eating whatever the fuck they find and a lot of acorns.
		That was a lot of it.
		They had a lot of fat on them.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's from acorns.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They were delicious.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		What do you hunt them with?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That time it was a rifle, but I bow hunted them too.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering if you did, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I bow hunted pigs.
		But the thing is, like, if you're bow hunting pigs and you're shooting a wild boar, like a big boar, you probably shouldn't have a backup.
		Probably should have a pistol.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		In case it comes at you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you should probably have one in the chamber.
		So as it's running at you, you can just say, you're going to have to.
		It'll charge you.
		Happens all the time.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So it's kind of because bears are like that, aren't they?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, if you shoot one in the heart, it'll go 100 yards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some bears.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you shoot them in the heart, I doubt they're going to go 100 yards, but they might be able to because they can go 100 yards pretty fast.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Just on adrenaline.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But, yeah, bears are-I was going to say adrenochrome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you hit a bear, there is a distance between you and them where it's like a fight or flight distance, where they're too close where they think that you'll attack them.
		And so then you're in trouble.
		But if they're far enough away where they think, oh, this guy's not going to chase me and you can scare them off, that can happen.
		Bears are tricky.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've never.
		Well, we had one bear.
		I mean, it wasn't hunting us.
		We were just up in, what do you call them, the Smokies?
		And it was just a vacation, and it says, don't throw food off the balcony.
		So, of course, the first thing my son does is throw a hamburger.
		And then all we can hear is the woods start moving.
		And we look down, and I'm like, there's a bear.
		And I didn't know they climb.
		So the thing starts climbing up the side of the house.
		And eventually we just kind of made enough noise or something that it went back into the woods.
		But I'm like looking around, like, we have a gun, right?
		And he's like, I think we have one.
		Like, oh, that's good.
		Because there's a bear climbing up the fucking house, dude.
		It was terrifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you have food left out, if you have garbage left out, once they've established that that's a place where they get food, they keep coming back.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was, yeah.
		And first thing he did was just chuck a hamburger out to feed the animals.
		And I'm like, buddy, I told you, he's like four or five at the time.
		And then like a couple minutes later, bear.
		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the state that has the most bears per capita in the country?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		New Jersey.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Is it really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		New Jersey has a crazy bear problem.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I did not know that at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So the governor of New Jersey ran on a platform of stopping the bear hunt because people hunt bears in New Jersey.
		Because people think of New Jersey.
		What you think of is these high-density areas like Hoboken, Hackensack.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Atlantic City.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not New Jersey.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		New Jersey's mostly rural.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then you have those actual mountains.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, a kid got killed out by Rutgers.
		A bear ate him.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Rutgers University student went for a hike.
		Got taken out.
		And bears became such a problem that the same governor who ran on the stopping the bear hunt and did stop the bear hunt when he got in office, the population boomed so badly without hunters that he reinstated the bear hunt.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did he?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He had to.
		The interactions between humans and bears were going through the roof.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was really hoping that story ended with he got eaten by bears because that would be just the perfect irony.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he probably had an encounter.
		A lot of people that live anywhere near them have encounters.
		Like, there's a video of Far Rockaway, New Jersey.
		We played it many times on this podcast, but we'll play it again just for you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But there's these fucking bears.
		They look like four or five hundred pound bears, and they're fighting in the middle of a suburb.
		And they're essentially, they're going to war for garbage.
		So like, you know, they claim either that or maybe one of the females is in heat.
		But there's these two fucking huge bears and they're falling downstairs and they're out in the street.
		And then people are filming them from their car.
		I mean, these are big bears, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Are they brown bears?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Black bears.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all black bears in the United States until you get into the upper northwest.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then you see more of the grizzlies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You only get grizzlies in like, so look at these bears.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking normal house suburbs.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's a couple bears that are on the bottom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've got the real estate sign out there.
		The size of these fuckers, dude.
		They knocked over the sign there, whatever that was.
		That was a light, I guess.
		Look, the electrical cords.
		Yeah.
		Bro, it spills out into the street.
		These guys go to war for like 10 fucking minutes.
		How long is this video?
		Six-minute video.
		Look at this.
		They get out and show them all when they're out in the street.
		So people are filming them.
		These fuckers tumble down the side of the hill.
		They're still duking it out.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I've seen them come down the street and went in the same place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What the size of these guys, man.
unidentified		Dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
		Right by the mailbox.
		Look at all the hair.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're pulling each other's hair out.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And that's crazy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, dude, that's just because they're claws on accident.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The size of these fuckers.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Imagine that goes across your face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Skin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're so dead.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are big bears, too, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that guy's so nervous about his Volvo.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's like, come on, don't go near it, guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These people are so used to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These people who live in this area.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		A dude in a car just was like, all right, we got to wait for it to fall into the shrubs, and then I'm going to gun it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hear those noises they make.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine your little kids walking home from school.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You see two bears.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And see two fucking huge bears.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And this is New Jersey?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Far away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hear the cars?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Look, cars driving by.
		Oh, hi, guys.
unidentified		Top walk.
unidentified		I'm going to go get a sandwich.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, we have bears now.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Far rock away.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, yeah, that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It does not have the most black bears per capita.
unidentified		Well, I thought it did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I kept Googling it.
unidentified		It's not even popping up in the top five or six.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine for a second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The dense human population makes its high bear population a significant concern for residents, particularly in the states.
		Dude, Ted Nugent told me that.
		I think these people are wrong.
		The state's forest-covered northwestern regions have one of the highest concentrations of black bears in the nation with approximately 3,000 bears.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, if Ted Nugent told you that, I think he's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The guy knows a thing or two.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		High population density, concentration in the northwest, increased sightings.
		The other problem is they really don't have an accurate number.
		Because in heavily wooded areas, when you want to do a census on animals, you're sending out wildlife biologists and they just have to count them.
		And there's no way they can really count them correctly because you're dealing with dense woods.
		And black bears are particularly difficult to find in the woods.
		Their sense of smell is insane.
		Their hearing is insane.
		And when they hear people, they just get the fuck out of there.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like in Michigan, you've seen them.
		Like they come down because, you know, we're up by the Upper Peninsula and they'll come, you know, Canada and all that stuff.
		But you do see them on occasion, but I guess they are becoming more and more, like, they're moving more and more south towards the cities now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course, because nobody's hunting them.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Which I think we should.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to hunt them.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's why you control the deer population.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like that's what people have always known.
		And, you know, somehow or another, liberals lost their minds and thought it was a bad idea to control predators.
		Yeah, massive, huge predators.
unidentified		Right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, you realize that, like, let's just say the deer is alone.
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dave landau ▲ ● ▼		If you don't control it, you're going to just have people smashing into them with their cars all day long.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're made out of food.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		For you to eat.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could go eat them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Deers are delicious.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And if you've ever been in front of like one with horns, like I was in the Rockies.
		My friend was all high.
		He gets out of the cars like 20 years ago and there's like, I don't know, it wasn't, maybe it was a deer, but like an elk or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably ought to be an elk.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it big?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, really big.
		And he gets out like, he's like, I'm going to stand by and take a picture.
		I'm like, I don't think you should do that.
		And even then, I'm like, terrible idea.
		And the thing just lowers its horns at him.
		And I'm like, dude, get back to the car.
		And we're like in a jeep gunning it away from this thing chasing us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a guy that is in his car and he's talking shit to this elk that's in the street in Yellowstone and it fucking jabs his tires and takes his tire out.
		Just doesn't even know what's going on.
		It's like fuck.
		He hears because it punctures his tire.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it just took him out the way a cops would with like a strip.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then it's got the lens just getting ready to take you out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It just stabbed his tire.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's like you want to step outside now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The scariest ones are moose.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		The elk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I did not see it.
		You have the video of him taking out his car?
		Yeah.
		Oh, boy.
		Look at the size of that fucker.
unidentified		Woo!
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you have a tree growing out of your head.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		A sharpened tree.
unidentified		Is it for the tires?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like the nose is looking trying to poke it.
		I don't know if this is the one that cut the tire.
		The other one was coming from the other side.
		It was coming from the driver's side and the driver was talking shit to it.
		But you get the point.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I like that the driver was mocking an animal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the real dangerous ones are moose.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because moose will actually stomp you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They will go after you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of videos of people who think they're majestic and they're like eight feet away from them.
		And it's like, it's not bullwinkle.
		It's an animal in the, and then the next thing you hear is how they were killed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not just that.
		It's an animal that's like really good at stomping at, oh boy.
		Does this guy get attacked?
		I don't know.
unidentified		Sometimes you just don't.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Dude, if I get an arrow, you really got to not miss.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, this is rough too because he's coming straight at you.
		And so you don't have a really good shot at his vitals.
		So you have to take the most risky shot, which is you're taking a frontal.
		So what you're essentially, you have a very small area you're targeting, which is like the end of his beard.
		So his hair comes down.
		Like you want to get it right here.
		So what you're trying to do is shoot this arrow through basically like a softball size hole, maybe a little larger than a softball size hole, and it'll go straight through, slice through the heart, the lungs, everything.
		It's the most deadly shot if you could land it.
		Right.
		But you got an 1800-pound animal coming at you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You're shaking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's huge.
		You're right in front of it.
		It's 30 yards.
		You're not sure that you could hit that spot because your arms are shaking.
		You're filled with adrenaline.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And you have to go for a softball-sized spot on that thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You really want it to be standing sideways, but it's not standing sideways because it's moving towards you in an offensive way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You should probably just get the fuck out of there.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would leave immediately.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or get around a tree.
		You want to get where a tree is so you can stand behind the tree.
		And at least you can kind of maneuver a little bit.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Is there sight poor?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't have a good sight.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So that's kind of like the better way is to kind of cover them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're kind of dumb.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they're so big, they don't have to be smart.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they don't have herds.
		You don't see herds of moose.
		You see a bull moose, they're generally by themselves or maybe with one or two other ones.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		See, I did not know that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they come in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And when they come in, they're looking for pussy.
unidentified		Eyes at this one staring at you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Does it have a moose fucking you in the ass?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Staring right at you, dog.
unidentified		Oh, dude.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		End with those eyes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Lustful eyes.
		Also, you better have a fucking powerful bow.
		You got to get into that rib cage.
		Those ribs are thick as shit.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		So that spot is underneath that beard and all that stuff that he's got right there?
unidentified		It's right here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if you hit an animal there, they die so quick.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See, Google frontal shot kill on elk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a famous video of these kids bow hunting.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this elk comes in and it gives this kid a frontal shot and he takes it at like 20 yards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the elk just stands there and then blood starts spraying out of it and it just tips over.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like right where it stands.
		It's nuts.
		It's the most lethal shot if you land it correctly.
		But it's...
		I've never taken it.
		It's a tricky shot.
		Like my friend Cam Haynes, probably best bow hunter in the world.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's taken frontal shots.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the last time he took one, it was like at 10 yards.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Is that guy out here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This isn't it.
		This is not a frontal.
		These are just Bills fighting.
		Google...
		This isn't elk.
		Oh, insane frontal shot.
		Okay.
		All right.
		So here we go.
		This isn't the one.
unidentified		Nothing came up when I checked the thing you just said.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's it.
		He got it right there.
		So see how it sprays?
		That was a perfect shot.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Perfect shot.
		He got it right.
		If you watch where the impact is...
		Oh, that's Corey Jacobson.
		Watch where the impact of the arrow is.
		It's right at the bottom of the beard.
		See where it is?
		Like right at the bottom.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's perfect.
		That's a perfect shot.
		So that goes into the body cavity, severs all the arteries.
unidentified		Gotcha.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That bull's dead in seconds.
unidentified		But this animal seems kind of like...
		That spray.
		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't seem as aggressive, though, as that moose.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're not aggressive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're looking for other elk.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's looking for love.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what he's looking for.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Looking for love or a fight.
unidentified		Okay.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because the moose looks like he just wants to kill the guy in the video.
		Or at least attack him.
unidentified		Oh, they do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, they'll kill you.
		They will kill you.
		I mean, I'm sure elk have killed people before, but they don't want to.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A moose will chase you.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A moose will chase you and stomp you, especially a female moose that has her babies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You better stay the fuck away from her.
unidentified		Dude.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They will stomp you.
		My buddy was chased on horseback.
		He barely got away from a cow moose.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Seriously?
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Going after him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Going after him.
		Because it had calves with her.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she was protecting her calves and he was on a horse.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she looks at that horse like, that might be an animal.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That wants to stomp my babies.
		And so she, full clip, chased after him.
		He's like, I barely got away.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Where was this at?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Edmonton.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it Edmonton?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, B.C. Okay, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		B.C. Yeah, that makes sense.
		Yeah, that's crazy.
		I don't know.
		I would be terrified if I had to try to make that shot at a moose coming at me that size.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a sketchy shot.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		In any capacity.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a sketchy shot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it depends on what kind of broadhead you have, too.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Can you do it with a gun?
		Oh, yeah.
		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, with a gun, you could shoot him anywhere.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess that's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		With a gun, you go through the shoulders.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I just didn't know if it was maybe arrow length or the reason it sticks in or something, maybe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		You could definitely do that with a gun.
		The thing about an arrow is you only have so much energy from a bow.
		So if you hit one of those big shoulder bones, you're fucked.
		It's not going to kill the animal.
		You're probably barely going to feel it.
		So you have to be behind the shoulder.
		And then if you don't have enough power, if you center punch a rib, probably not going to get a lot of penetration.
		So you have to have a really powerful bow.
		And a lot of guys stay away from mechanical broadheads.
		They want a really solid fixed blade broadhead.
		It's a tricky kind of bow hunting.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's cool, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're bow hunting something that can kill you.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Which is...
		That's game.
		I mean, that's an exciting thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why people like bear hunting.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Unless you're the grizzly man guy who just does one of my favorite movies ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm convinced Werner Herzog made that movie as a comedy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think he did too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I'm surprised.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Like, he says the ending is not the real footage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, there's no actual audio footage of that guy that's available.
		If you listen online, footage that says it is, it's not real.
		You can kind of tell they're acting.
		He told the lady to destroy the actual audio.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		That's what I heard.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The lens cover was on the camera, but there is audio and it's a long audio because bears don't kill you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just start eating.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just hold you down and eat you till you die.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Which is apparent to that guy who was going around elementary schools telling people how bears aren't dangerous.
unidentified		Yeah, that fucking guy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And then they're like, it's hibernation season.
		You should go.
		And he's like, no, but I got peanut and sprinkles and cocoa and they all love me.
		You had all these little names for him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was suicide by bear.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can't just hang out there with it was that whole movie is just they said, like, I love when they're like, we think they think the bear, like the bears just thought he was basically retarded meat.
unidentified		Remember when the sheriff said that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought he was retarded.
		Yeah, I think just the way the film is made.
		It's just there's too many times where someone says something ridiculous and there's a smash cut.
		I'm like, this guy's doing this on purpose.
		Like he wants you to laugh.
		It's funny.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be because he's like slapping a bear on the nose and he's like, no, Skittles.
		And then just turning around and doing the interview.
		And you're just waiting for him to die, basically.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have to be a warrior.
unidentified		I have to let them know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I stand my ground.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
unidentified		I love you.
		I love you, bears.
		I'm a warrior.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I'm just going to put my tent in here.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		This is going to be what you'll consider a plate, and I'm just going to hang out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a burrito.
		There's meat inside.
		His girlfriend got killed too, which is really sad.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I was surprised that, yeah, she had a girlfriend.
		One, he had one.
		And two, she was like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's probably surprised, too.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is this guy going to fuck me?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like I'm sure he didn't fuck her.
		He didn't seem like that kind of guy.
		He definitely had her killed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He definitely seemed gay.
		It seemed like that was part of his dilemma.
		Like, he wanted to be an actor, and that didn't work out for him.
		So he started getting notoriety by being a bear expert.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he wasn't really a bear expert.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No, he was just an idiot who would go into the forest and you're protecting these bears.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He's really lucky.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Forest Service won't protect him, you motherfuckers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm protecting these bears.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		You leave them alone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that dude got some amazing footage.
		I'll tell you that.
		His footage was fucking incredible because he was living with them.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he got footage that nobody else was getting, like high-resolution, close-up footage of bear fights.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He became really good friends with a fox.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Foxes are fucking adorable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're like dogs, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They are the closest thing to do.
		Like, playful.
		They play with you.
		They stole his hat.
		Like, they would come hang out with him.
		He could scratch their head.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of the people who find baby foxes and then just kind of raise them because their parents left them, that's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's an Instagram page that I follow, Bedou the Fox.
		Check this out.
		It's like a little tiny fox that this guy's raised.
		Yeah.
		And it's so adorable.
unidentified		It's so adorable.
unidentified		It really is cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
		So this guy brings this fox with him every look at that cute little fox.
		He's so cute.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're adorable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he hides under stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's playful.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But this guy has this fox as a pet.
		And, you know, and see, show the things where he's like cuddling with it.
		Like, he's, look at it.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just a straight up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a little buddy.
		Yeah.
		It's like an adorable little dog.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		The raccoon ones are kind of funny, too, when it just like learns how to open the fridge and take a look at it.
unidentified		He's got it on a leash.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's walking the fox on a leash.
		But he has to put it on a leash because the fucker won't come back.
		No, no, I'm free.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He's like, this is where I belong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He's just trying to run from the guy, but he's on a leash.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got a huge face.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the huge ears.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
		That thing probably hears an owl farting a mile away.
		Like, look at his face.
		So fucking cute, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they really are.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		They're really cool animals.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and people have done this where they raise them.
		But I think it's at least makes weird faces.
		I think it's one of those things where you have to be around them all the time, you know?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think if it's, I guess, I don't know, but if it's abandoned young enough to where it's attached to you, there's something there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, you definitely can raise them.
		People have raised them.
		And people have raised coyotes that same way, too.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you have to be around them all the time because they're wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you're just tricking them into by constantly giving them food and attention so they feel like they don't have to do anything else that they really feel instinctual about doing, like going out and killing a cat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a place called Oswald's Bear Ranch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, look, he's got a cat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		His cute little fox is like half the size of the cat.
unidentified		He wants to play with the cat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's adorable.
		The cat is not like upset, happy, though.
		When you see a cat with its tail like that, that's a really pissed-off cat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, the cat doesn't want to play with its owner, let alone whatever that thing is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the cat looks like it's on the surface.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The cat's fat as fuck.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was actually a male cat.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Does not identify that way anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A cat's a school shooter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's going to go to the pound, shoot it up.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Just going to take out everybody at the pet store.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Just one after the other.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The story of wolves, like how we turn wolves into dogs, is pretty fucking insane.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It is amazing how we do just kind of have these wolves in our house, but we made them cuter by design over centuries.
		This is my wolf poodle, which is essentially what it is.
		It's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, and then you get them down to like, I have a King Charles Spaniel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what those things are?
unidentified		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's that big.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's the fucking cutest thing on earth.
		Yeah.
		If you go far enough back, that's a wolf.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did they do that?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I have a King Charles Spaniel poodle.
unidentified		Ah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And his name is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		As if the King Charles Spaniel wasn't gay enough.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I had to make sure he wears bow ties, you know, like a wolf would.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bow ties.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Whenever he get his haircut, they put him in a bow tie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's adorable.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just like, it's so cute, but it's also the gayest.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's adorable.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, his name is Higgins, and he's the best dog, but he's small.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And I've always had big dogs, and I kind of just like the fact that he's kind of small and just really wants to sit there.
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He just wants to chill.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		He'll go for a walk, but he's not dying to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The breed, the furthest removed and physically characteristic by wolves, is the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, mine's called the Cavapoo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the one I have.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a mix of that and a poodle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, one of the most popular breeds in the UK and U.S., probably because of their lap dog reputation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're adorable dogs.
unidentified		Oh, so sweet.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		I love them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the furthest removed physically and characteristically from a wolf.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It has, I mean, he's funny.
		Like, he'll grab his toy.
		He's got this lamb and he'll just like jump in the window with giant dogs and just start shaking it and like try to intimidate them.
		And I'm like, you're in a fucking little bow tie.
		He looks so gay.
		He's probably trying to play with them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because my dog loves to play with Marshall, my golden.
unidentified		Dude, it's very like best friends.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's very playful.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because we have, I'm just going to announce all the more dogs that I have and feel worse as this goes.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		A Havenese.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		It's like a little.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		We don't have the long hair cut on it, but you know those long hair, like almost show dogs?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And it's, yeah, just a Heavenese pure.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		But we have, see the top right corner?
		She looks like that.
		So that's the other dog.
		And she's the best.
		And she's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at her dad on her face.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not the smartest dog you'll ever meet.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		And that's one of the things I love about her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't have to be smart.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like rich kids on trust funds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're not so fucking smart either.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they are the most privileged of the dog community.
unidentified		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's no doubt about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Most likely to be a they them.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's all the they thems.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're not poor kids.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're the ones cutting off their balls and spaying them.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah, they're all too, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all trans.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're all a little angry at us.
unidentified		My dogs have their balls.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do they really?
unidentified		Always.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't fix my dogs.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		See, we had already had them fixed when we got them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had a really good vet when I first moved to LA, and I always thought you have to fix dogs.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you're like Bob Barker.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Spay in new to your pets.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bob Barker would say after the end of every show.
		Yep.
		Turn your pets trans.
		How about just don't be an irresponsible dog owner and let your dog have puppies that nobody wants.
		How about you just be a responsible dog owner and let your dog have its natural fucking hormones.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because when you cut their balls off, they get tired.
		They get depressed.
		They have no energy.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Testosterone.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		There's testosterone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What happens to people when their testosterone goes?
		You get depressed.
		You get depressed and you have no energy.
		That's the same shit that happens to your dog.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's why he's in a bow tie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And my vet was, he told me that.
		I was like, I can't believe it.
		He goes, look, nobody wants to hear it.
		Everybody wants to tell you, spay in new to your dogs.
		But characteristically, like if you look at how a dog behaves, I see a change the moment they cut.
		Now, look, if you have an overly aggressive dog, that's a different story.
		If you have a dog that you probably should train, that's probably what it is.
		Probably needs obedience training and probably needs a lot of attention.
		It probably needs a lot of exercise.
		But if you cut your dog's balls off, it won't be the same dog.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And I mean, the next dogs I have, I probably won't.
		You know, but it's just something that you're used to for so long.
		And like with Bob Barker, I get control of the pet population so there's not dogs running all over the streets that have to be euthanized all the time.
		Yeah.
		But if it's like if it's your own dog, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But again, that's just bad dog owners.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I mean.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just like people are bad parents, and their kids wind up, you know, joining a gang and shooting people up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, it's a lot of the same kind of shit, man.
dave landau ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the same.
		It's literally the same thing.
		I mean, when you years ago, they were doing articles, not to bring it back to my hometown, but like in Detroit where you would see dog gangs roving together.
		They take over a house and like, you know, they, I remember one house was like filled with pit bulls and stuff, but it was a black lab that was like the king shed at this house.
		Really?
		Yeah, it was crazy.
		Probably the smartest one.
		I think it must have been that because like when like Rolling Stone, I think it was, showed up and they were like, holy shit, it's a black lab that's in charge of like all these pit bulls and that was like their king.
unidentified		And but probably they're good hunters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's what it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼