Brian Atlas and Mason Atlas dissect dating dynamics, contrasting traditional gender roles with modern relationship complexities through heated debates on marriage contracts, immigration policies, and the "value proposition" of women. They analyze specific cases like Tiffany's OnlyFans work and discuss hypothetical scenarios involving life-or-death choices and sinking boats to explore evolutionary psychology versus moral equality. The episode culminates in a rigorous general knowledge quiz where Mason struggles with geography and history, highlighting the host's preference for younger, less experienced partners while advocating for religious covenants over legal marriages. [Automatically generated summary]
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Apologies for the Delay00:04:20
Welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
I'm very sorry for our delay there.
Boy, do I have some stuff to tell you guys?
So sorry that we're starting late, guys.
My sincerest and deepest apologies for that.
As you can see, something we've perhaps done only once in history.
I had to, you know, I had to recruit the fuck.
Do you see her head's like all fucked up?
You see that?
It's like all fucking...
Boppy jaw.
I had to fucking, we have Kiki joining us.
Mason's girlfriend.
They're getting comfortable.
And that's Ashley.
Ashley St. Whore, the one with the pink hair.
So where do I begin today?
Well, you know what?
Before I get into it, I'll let some more people roll in and join the stream.
I will have the guests introduce themselves.
So tell us your name, age, location, occupation, and education.
Go ahead.
My name's Molly.
I'm 19, and I'm originally from Utah, but I live in California now in Santa Monica.
Okay.
I do OnlyFans.
All right.
And how long you been doing OF?
Probably like three months, four months now.
Okay.
And you said you're from where again?
Sorry, I missed that part.
Utah.
Salt Lake City?
St. George, Utah.
Are you a Mormon?
I am Mormon.
LDS.
LDS, yeah.
Okay.
What does that stand for?
Latter-day Saints.
The Latter-day Saints.
Why was there a question mark at the end of the...
Because I'm nervous.
Okay.
All right.
So, and you're, what do you do on OF?
Is it boy-girl content or?
Yeah, I do a bit of everything, solo and boy-girl content.
I see.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm Jade.
I'm 28.
I live in Oceanside.
I'm originally from Ohio.
I'm a holistic health practitioner.
Holistic health practitioner.
Okay.
Massage, body work, sound baths, all that good shit.
Okay.
Any education, any college?
Yeah, I have my degree from MiraCosta.
In what?
Kinesiology.
When did you get that?
In 2022.
Is that a bachelor's degree or?
No, just associates.
Okay, and then have you done any college or?
No.
Anything?
Okay.
Planning to?
No, I don't plan to.
Gotcha.
What about you?
My name is Dana.
I'm 50 years old, and I am from right outside of Memphis, Tennessee.
I have a bachelor's degree, and I am in insurance.
Okay, all right.
And you live in Memphis?
I live right outside about 30 minutes, but Memphis.
And are you, like, is that where you were...
That's where I'm from.
Grew up there.
Okay, Memphis, Tennessee.
All right.
All right.
College, anything like that?
I have a bachelor's.
Bachelor's, okay.
Got it.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Angelica.
I am 41, and I am a mortgage professional and a real estate developer.
I did some college, but I stopped once I started my real estate career.
Okay.
And any, where are you from?
I am from the greater Los Angeles area.
I'm in the West Valley.
Okay.
All right.
Mason, what about you?
All right.
Yeah, my name is Mason Gregoire.
I am 29, turning 30 in like seven days.
So hitting that 30 wall.
You can find me on Instagram, YouTube, I guess Facebook if you're old, TikTok as MG Barbell.
Calling Out Bad Excuses00:15:32
Yeah, I was a mechanical engineer.
I got my degree in mechanical engineering, natural sciences.
I also have another degree in natural sciences from Covenant College.
But I did all that, threw that away, and now I'm going into the EMS field.
I'm an EMT working on an ambulance, going into be a firefighter.
All right.
And you had kind of a miraculous recovery about a year, over a year ago?
Yeah, it was over a year ago.
You had a motorcycle accident.
Yes, that was a motorcycle accident.
It was, I think the doctors, every single doctor said that by far I should have died.
It's a miracle that I'm still alive.
It happened on 9-11 of 2024.
So magical day for, oh, goodness, so many people.
But obviously being a joke.
But yeah, so got in that motorcycle crash, had a grade four aortic tear, open book pelvis fracture, abdominal perforations, compound tib fib fracture, femur fracture, broke my jaw, intercranial swelling, cerebral spinal fluid leakage.
What else am I missing?
Oh yeah, and then I mean, I had a colostomy bag for like six months there.
Actually, last time I was on the show, I had a colostomy bag, and about probably a few hundred thousand people saw me take a dump on live footage a few times that day.
So that was nice.
Yes.
But yeah, motorcycle crash.
Can you place this African-American baby in that seat there?
I don't want the table to be too empty.
Fair enough, fair enough.
Let's fill it up.
Yeah.
You know what?
Because of my OCD, can you tilt him slightly?
Like, just maybe center him a little bit.
He's a bit off to the.
Yeah, that works.
Okay.
I think we can work with that.
All right.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Very nice.
We have a TTS from Jorge.
Thank you, man.
Hello?
There we go.
Thank you, Desert.
Based Desert Jorge donated $200.
Happy show day.
Thank you, man.
Shout out to all the based homies in the whatever Discord.
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Thank you, based Desert Jorge.
Appreciate that.
All right.
So before we get into the relationship status, I do, you know, normally I wouldn't do this.
You know, we, so it's funny, almost ironic.
It's not without a sense of irony that if you, those of you who tuned in last show, last week we had 13 people on the panel because what I do, I overbook.
I'll usually, you know, aim to have 15 people on schedule a week out with the anticipation that as the show approaches, you know, we'll get, we'll get like five, six flakes, you know, leading up to it, the day before, the day of.
Today, and by the way, I overbooked for today, but unfortunately, it was just a, what's the word?
Like perfect storm.
I don't know.
Just fucking everybody, almost everybody except for you guys, fucking like no-showed.
And I'm going to get into that here in just a moment.
Hold the super chats for just a moment while I'm getting through this.
Like just take it off.
So I feel like it warrants, given the egregiousness of the flakage and the no-showingness and et cetera, et cetera.
I feel like it warrants us calling these people out individually and also providing and showing their bullshit excuses.
So I think that's warranted under the circumstances.
Normally I just let it go.
So the first one, which I find the most egregious, well, and by the way, let me just make something clear, guys.
On like five separate occasions in our comms with the people we have on the show, we tell them the date, we tell them the showtime.
Especially oftentimes we're booking people.
Sometimes we'll be booking people kind of like, you know, the week of, but oftentimes we're booking people weeks, even months in advance.
And it varies.
It varies.
But for the most part, the majority of people we have booked are booked like weeks out, weeks out.
So we send five remind, like there's a total of five points where we, you know, confirm, we sent out initial show information, we asked for initial confirmation.
A week out, we send like the show information.
Like midweek, we send a midweek reminder.
We send a day before reminder and we send a day of reminder.
And man, people are just not reliable.
So I'm going to show you some of the bullshittery.
I only had time to take screenshots of some of the messages, but we'll show you each individual person.
So the first one we're going to pull up was a no-show.
Go ahead and pull that one up, Tiffany.
All right.
So Jocelyn Silva, she just straight up no-showed.
And so we called her.
We called her up and we're like, hey, and I think we had, you two were there.
You witnessed my frustrated phone call.
So I call her up and she actually picks up.
I was actually surprised.
And she says that, oh, what did she, well, she said that at 3 a.m., she had to drive her mom to the hospital.
And that at that moment, though, she was, I heard the TV on in the background.
She was babysitting two children.
Now, mind you, she didn't tell us.
Like, I had to call her.
So our meet time is 4 p.m.
Our meet time is 4 p.m.
I called her at like 4.15, 4.20.
She had not sent any message.
She didn't take like five, 10 seconds to just message us and say, hey, I'm sorry.
I had an emergency.
Something happened.
I'm not going to be able to make it.
She didn't do that.
And she claims that she, you know, had to take her mom to the hospital, which is a lie.
She was babysitting some kids, which I don't know the truth of that.
But what we do know is that she was posting, as you can see, she has some stories active there.
And so go ahead and, so this was two hours ago.
Hold on.
So she says she didn't have time to take, you know, it takes 10 seconds to send a message and just say, hey, I'm not, look, I'm not coming.
Even, hey, you know what?
You could just be like, you know what?
Fuck your podcast.
I don't like it.
I'm not coming.
So, two hours ago, so our call time is 4 p.m.
It's currently 5:30 p.m. now.
Now, so this, she probably took this at like 3 p.m., 2 p.m.
She never told us, she never reached out, she didn't send a message that she wasn't coming.
Her excuse is she had an emergency, yet she had time to post stories to her Instagram.
She has time to take a video and then post it, and then think of the retarded caption she's going to post, and then put all those filters on it so she doesn't look ugly.
So, uh, go ahead and play, hit play there.
So, she posts a story two hours ago.
Oh, wait, whoa, okay.
What the fuck?
Okay.
I don't know what happened there.
You're going to have to X out.
Like, close that one down.
Just that page.
Okay.
Just that one, though.
Okay, Tiffany?
Yeah.
All right.
Pull it back up.
Yeah, she deleted it.
Wait, wait, no, did you close the.
Oh, okay.
So this is her.
She has a poetry page.
So she also added time to her second alt Instagram account.
She didn't have time to take 10 seconds to be like, hey, I'm not going to make it.
Sorry.
She had time to post some like retarded poetry.
Okay, cool.
Tab over next.
Okay, so that's one of the stories she took tab over because I guess she took, she privated.
I'm a woman that knows what I'm going to name my kids.
I live on my own and pay my own bills.
I know what I want.
Of course, I'm not easy.
Now she posted this.
She had time to post this retarded shit.
But she didn't have time to message us.
She's a fucking liar.
She's a fucking scumbag.
Tab over, there's one more.
She had time to post this, I guess.
So she had time to post all this shit.
How do you have time?
First off, she's obviously lying about the emergency.
How do you, it's total bullshit.
By the way, you guys, I don't know if you guys were listening.
You guys were listening.
Did she apologize?
Did she say sorry?
What did she say?
She was annoyed through the whole thing.
And then she was gonna speak to the mic.
She was annoyed through like the whole conversation.
Like you were putting her out to call her out for her crime.
I was like, I was like, hey, this is we're calling here from the whatever podcast, just checking in.
Are you coming?
And she was like, oh, no.
I was like, okay, well, and then I think I said something like, okay, well, it's 4:20.
The call time was 4.
You're coming from LA.
You would have had to, you would have known two hours ago if you weren't coming.
You could have taken 10 seconds to just set.
And she was like, you know, I should have done that.
She said something like, you know, you're right.
You're right.
I should have done that.
The next words made me, I'm sorry.
No, she didn't say anything.
And then I was like, well, what?
What's the deal?
And then like, she was like, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
I'm a woman that knows what I'm going to name my kids.
Oh my God.
You're so, you're such a terrible person.
I'm like, should I say it, chat?
I don't, honestly, this person is so bad.
I don't think she should procreate, to be honest.
Like, if you don't, if you're, I think she's, I don't know, in her mid-20s, if you are in your mid-20s and you Don't have the courtesy to just be like take 10 seconds when you've agreed to do something and just be like hey,
I'm not I'm not coming Look you could throw an apology in there, but at least tell the person hey I'm not coming Now there's no there was no emergency She was posting Instagram stories.
I'm sorry your mom's in the hospital you're babysitting kids You got time to post stories, but you don't have time to take 10 seconds to message and tell someone you have an appointment with so you don't fuck their production over not that I don't you know, there's the fucking black baby and the fucking pink-haired Ashley St. Whore and fucking Kiki over.
Not that I don't mind it.
I'm just saying.
All right.
Now that's one of the seven.
Voice crack.
That's one of the seven motherfuckers who pulled some bullshit today.
Next.
That's one.
Fuck her.
Now this is Samantha Wheeler, who I attempted to call her, but she just no-showed.
Complete no-show.
So Samantha Wheeler, she's a content creator.
She's an international multi-published petite model.
Scroll down a little bit.
I just want to see, you know, anybody, you know, everyone's calling them.
Keep going.
Scroll down.
Everyone's a model.
I mean, do you think she has, I don't think she has the chops, to be honest.
She does not have.
Oh my God.
Put that away.
God damn.
Oh my.
Sorry.
No.
I tried to call.
I was like, hey, you coming?
She didn't, no answer.
No, no, no, no, what's it called?
No call, no show?
She didn't, hey, sorry, I'm not coming.
We sent reminders today, yesterday, like the day before.
We had her, we've had her on schedule since.
Hold on, let me look.
We had her on schedule for like a month, I think.
I think it was a month.
Let me check.
And yeah, man.
So that's number two.
That was the number two no-show that we had.
So I'm trying to see if I can find it.
But Samantha Wheeler, look, if you're in Los Angeles and you're trying to book a woman who looks like she does crack cocaine and like overdoses like every other week, I mean, maybe she's your girl.
Yeah, we had her on schedule.
We booked her March 11th.
It's April 12th.
She was on schedule for a month.
30 days.
She was on schedule.
March 27th, sent a reminder.
April 3rd, sent the show information.
Thursday, sent it a reminder.
Saturday, sent a reminder.
Sent a reminder today.
So, okay, that was a no-show.
That was a no-show.
By the way, this is going to relate to dating because this is how people operate.
This is how people move.
This is how people are.
And it could be business.
It could be friends.
It could be you're dating.
People have no respect for time anymore.
I partially blame, well, social media, but I blame this a lot.
But I remember, look, I don't know if I'm, we do have some older women here.
We got, you're 50, you're 41.
I'm 36.
Mason, how old are you?
29, turning 30.
And you're 28.
So I don't know.
Maybe you guys might be on the younger side.
But I remember when I was a kid.
And I was a fucking seven.
When I was a seven-year-old, if I told my friend, hey, we're meeting at the handball courts.
I was at the fucking handball courts.
I don't care.
I could be fucking...
If I was sick, I'm showing up.
I'm showing up.
I can't leave my friend waiting at the handball courts.
We're going to play Tetherball or some shit.
We're going to fuck, I don't know.
So it's like it's become way too common to just it's been very common to just cancel plans last minute.
I don't know.
I'm a no G. I'm a no G. You don't fucking do that.
You say you're gonna be somewhere, you're gonna be, you show up.
Lying About Service Animals00:07:24
Next person, fuck Samantha Wheeler.
Pull her up again.
Let me just talk some more shit real quick.
But then next person, fuck Samantha.
Guys, this woman is completely unreliable.
If you want to book somebody, you don't want to deal with her.
She will not show up.
She won't give you.
Don't waste your production.
If there's any bookers out there in fucking Los Angeles, do not book this woman.
She's going to fuck your production up.
You're going to get a fucking...
And hey, look, we can roll with the punches a little bit because we got a panel show.
But you're in LA.
You're trying to book a zombie shoot.
Like you're doing The Walking Dead in Los Angeles and you're trying to book this chick.
You don't even got to put her in makeup.
Like she's already good to go.
She's good to go as a zombie.
She's already good to go, but maybe don't book her.
There's other people in LA who need the work.
She doesn't need the make.
She's already set.
You don't need to put the zombie face on her.
She's already a zombie.
Okay, next.
This girl, apparently, so okay, she, she, this one, Rocky, Raquel, old soul, fucking dumb soul.
I'll tell you that much.
She, so this is what she did.
Here, did I post it in the Discord?
I might have you, one sec.
I might have put it in the Discord.
I do have the DM in the Discord.
Go ahead, pull up the Discord.
And then, so 3:50.
No, no, no, no.
Okay, here, 3.55.
Our meet time is 4 p.m.
3.55.
Go ahead, pull it up.
Pull it up.
Guys, this is what I'm dealing with.
This is what I'm dealing with every fucking week.
Hey, I'm having, our meet time is 4 p.m.
Hey, I'm having some car issues right now, and I think it's going to hinder me from coming in.
I was just getting off the freeway.
I'm waiting for AAA.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Now, mind you, 355, she got off the freeway.
She's already in Santa Barbara, I'm assuming, because she's coming from Los Angeles.
It's like, what would, okay, so just show up late then.
But she was like, no, I can't do it.
Oh, my God.
Oh, you.
Okay.
So I don't believe it.
I think she's lying.
I think she's just lying.
Anyways, fuck, pull up her IG again.
Fuck her.
Rocky, get fucked.
I think you're a fucking liar.
Show them, you know what?
I will retract my rude comments if you send me a DM with proof of your AAA.
Send me a photo that you actually, your car broke.
Oh, your car broke down.
Send me a photo.
And then show me the AAA bell.
You know what's unfortunate though?
People can like make AI like AI car breakdowns.
Because I've had people send me like fake photos in the past, and you can Google image, Google reverse image search.
I've had women send me broken car photos, and it's like, hold on, this was posted three years ago.
One time I had a girl send me a photo of her car broken down and it was foggy and she was in Santa Barbara and it was clear skies.
I'm like, there's no clouds.
Your car's broken down?
Oh boy, anybody remember that show?
That was crazy.
All right.
Next.
Who am I talking shit to next?
Who's next?
Who's next?
Oh, this fucking.
Okay.
All right.
Samantha.
Okay.
This person's ridiculous.
Get this right.
Okay, pull up the Discord.
Pull up the Discord.
Oh boy.
Ridiculous.
Bro, but this is what you're going to deal with when you're dating.
These girls are going to lie.
Oh my God, I can't make it.
But they're doing some other shit.
Unfortunately, won't be able to make it.
I'm bedridden.
Got an accident last night.
Total my car and fucked my backup.
I don't believe it.
I'm sorry.
I don't believe it.
I think they're all lying.
Believe all women?
They're all fucking lying.
They're lying.
It's all bullshit.
It's all lies.
All lies.
A lot of car trouble.
Yeah, a lot of car trouble conveniently.
You know what?
Two hours before the shoot.
I want to believe all women, but it's like, it's ones like these where they throw this stuff out.
And it's like, this is obviously fake.
It makes it very difficult to have to believe all women.
Well, also, it's appropriating car crashes.
Like exactly.
Well, yeah, I'm in the driver.
Yeah, bro.
Yeah.
Like appropriating car crashes.
Like if you're in a, if you're in a wreck and you're total your car, there's no way you're just bedridden, like in some wherever, like messaging us.
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
I'm bedridden.
My back hurts.
No, it's not, it's not what would be happening.
You would be in surgery, you'd be operated on.
There's no way you'd be texting the whatever podcast.
No way, no way.
This is obviously a lie.
As a professional EMT, I can confirm that is a lie.
Yeah, well, also, it's just like you had your own car motorcycle accident, and it's like they're using your pain to get it.
I feel like they're appropriating my suffering.
Yes.
That is.
It's fucked up, man.
So messed up.
So messed up.
You know what bothers me, Mason?
Tell me.
Is the emotional support animal people?
And they claim, they'll claim their dog is.
Wait, wait, wait.
It's a no, that's like a step down.
A service animal.
Oh, yeah.
So we've had girls on the show.
It's happened once or twice.
One girl came on the show claiming her little poodle was a service animal.
Now, it might be an ESA, an emotional support animal, which is you can get that.
You can pay 20 bucks online, get a fucking certificate.
But what they do is, which I find very troubling, and it's mostly women who do this.
True.
Is lie about the status of your dog.
So it's like, so they can, like, for flying and stuff, it makes it easier to, like, I guess, get your dog on board.
Yeah, it's just a loophole through the system.
Yeah, they're, or, or, like, for, for flights, they'll claim the dog is a service animal, but it's not.
Women overwhelmingly, like, men probably do that too, but women more so do it.
Um, also, like, they'll do it, like just to get into, like, for buildings and stuff for events.
They'll lie and say it's a service animal, but it's not.
And that's kind of like it's fucked up just to lie about that, but it kind of makes people doubt the people who actually need the service animal for a genuine need, whether it's someone who has, I don't know what the PC term is, like vision trouble, who's who has a disability, legally blind, who's blind, or someone who like has seizures or whatever it is.
Like these people, it's just like they're bullshitting the service animal thing.
Whenever I see Brittany walk in with her like little small poodle, she's all dressed up real nice and she's like, oh, it's my emotional support animal.
Who's Britney?
It makes me, you got me.
I'm just making the name of it.
Doubting Genuine Needs00:05:46
Oh, you're making.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, obviously, everyone with emotional support animals, Britney.
It's from maybe Karen, you know, one of those names.
Yep.
But yeah, and then like, so whenever I see someone who's actually blind, I'm wondering, are they actually blind?
Do they actually need that support animal?
It makes me doubt.
And I shouldn't be able, I shouldn't have to doubt, but I do.
True.
True.
All right, Tiffany.
Come on.
Next, please.
All right.
So that was, wait.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So she claimed she was in a catastrophic car accident and let me know.
When did she let me know?
Pull up the Discord really quick.
You know what?
Never mind.
Just to move it on.
At 1:50 p.m.
So she, yeah, just pull it up actually.
Fuck it.
Pull it up.
At 1:50 p.m.
But she got into the car accident last night.
So it's like, why are you letting us know two hours before call time?
Go ahead, pull it up.
Why pull it up?
1:50 p.m.
That's two hours before call time.
We don't have that doesn't give us enough time to like find a replacement.
You could let us know sooner, but I mean, at least she let us know.
She didn't know.
Actually, you know what?
She would not, she probably wouldn't have told us.
So I sent a reminder at like 1 p.m.
I sent a I send a day of reminder to everybody like around 1 p.m.
I don't think had I not sent that reminder, she wouldn't have told us voluntarily.
Like she, she, if she didn't get that notification, she would have just probably no-showed.
So, anyways, next one.
All right.
I'm going to blast through the rest of these so we can actually get to the show because it's probably I'm beating a dead horse at this point.
But all right, this chick, bro.
She did let us know ahead of time at like 2 p.m. or some shit that she was having.
Okay, actually, go to the Discord then and then pull up the message.
So that's like three, two no-shows, four, I think it was like seven total or some shit.
Pull up the Discord and then like it's gonna be the one below the cat photo, the image.
I'm fairly sure that's a new record for me.
So I do think I need it, but I'm gonna order the Uber.
And as long as I'm taking the bus back, I don't need it with me.
Just gonna double check with my ride.
So I'm having a slight transportation issue, just trying to see what my best option is now.
I should have gotten on that side this morning, like blah, blah, blah.
The bus with the traffic is getting me there way late and Uber and everything rose.
This is my second time out here, so I'm still learning.
So that's a woman who flew in.
She arrived like yesterday or something, not in Santa Barbara.
I told her to fly to Santa Barbara, but she flew to LA and she's crashing in LA.
And we gave her all the info.
And she messaged me at like 1, 1:30, that message.
And I told her, I'm like, if the bus is going to be late, get yourself a fucking Uber, pay the 200, pay the 250.
By the way, she canceled.
She had actually flaked on us like two, two, three months ago.
And she had missed her flight the day of.
This was like two, three months ago.
Maybe I'll post that in the Discord.
She missed her flight.
So that's the second time she canceled on this day of because of transportation issues.
That's a 20, I think that's a 28, 29-year-old woman.
And then the Discord, there's one more.
Pull up the cat one.
That's the final one.
Then we'll get to the show.
Sorry to the panelists here who have to hear me ranting and raving and being a lunatic.
Well, I can't make this shit up.
I don't know what she did, but she's this is a different girl.
I don't know what she did, but she's limping and I need to stay here or take her to the vet.
I don't have people to cat sit her since my roommates are going out of town.
10.45 a.m.
By the way, that's, I don't know if you guys remember that woman.
That's Emily.
She's been on the show like two times, long time ago.
She's actually kind of based and she's cool.
Like, I like her.
So I'm not going to like show her IG, but like everyone else, fuck them.
Like, fuck all those other people.
Emily, you owe me something.
Like, if we're going to rebook you, you need to give me a fucking deposit and you need to send me 300 bucks as a deposit and fucking bring cookies or some bullshit.
But I mean, look, I believe her on the cat thing, but to be fair, you know, you could have taken the cat limping video like weeks or months ago and just like people will use old shit as an excuse whenever they need it.
But in any case, 10.45 a.m., meet time, 4 p.m.
You can figure out a solution.
Like you could have taken her, the cat to the vet right away, like to the emergency vet, and like, I don't know, got it sorted right away.
And then I was like, can you call one of those?
Like, what's that?
There's like apps, like where you can have a pet sitter.
I forgot the names of them.
When I had a dog, I used to use the apps all the time to like, you can have people do home stays.
Rover or Wag.
Rover and Wag.
Yeah, you can have them stay at your house.
You can bring them to their house.
You could have a friend.
You could have a family member.
She's got a boyfriend.
So it's like, look, I have a cat.
Of course, like, yeah, that's terrible if, you know, your cat's actually all fucked up or whatever.
Thirty Minutes Late Apology00:06:55
I don't know.
I think there could have been solutions.
Anyways, that's it.
All right.
Well, okay, shows up.
No, just kidding.
All right.
All right.
So I needed to get that off my chest, guys.
We deal with flakes and no-shows every week, and I don't feel the need to expose the many, the dozens or hundreds of people who've done so in the past.
But if you're going to fuck with our production to, I mean, today it was just total cluster fucks.
So that made something like seven.
Let me see.
Oops, hold on.
What the fuck?
One sec, guys.
We had one.
We basically had three no-shows and four flakes today.
So, anyways, okay, I think that's it.
Any, I don't know, any thoughts from the panel?
Rude.
You know what?
My wrath is not fully complete.
Final thing here.
Final thing, because I'm what's called a social assassin.
I do away with, how do I put this?
With eh, fuck it, whatever.
So you were a little bit late.
I was.
I was, yes.
I'm sorry about that.
I didn't.
My staff told me, you know, when you came in, I didn't get an apology.
I'm really sorry.
I was there an apology to my staff, Tiffany.
Did she apologize?
No.
Not an apology.
Oh, not even an apology.
Because maybe as my staff greets the guests as they arrive, you know, maybe there was an apology there.
30 minutes late, I think an apology was in order.
I did notify, and I sent my location on the app, and I said, it's telling me I'm going to be there at 4.17.
I sent my location.
Well, you did communicate.
Yeah.
Still rude to be late, even with the know this, but that that is the courteous thing to do.
I still think there should have been an apology.
I'm sorry for not apologizing sooner.
Well, now you're apologizing for not apologizing.
Yes.
Well, to be fair, you did apologize when I brought it up now.
So I will accept your apology.
But just know, as a 36-year-old having to educate a 41-year-old, if you're 30 minutes late, the apology should be unprompted.
You know, it's like the manners, you know, the manners thing?
The courtesy?
It was very quiet, so I wasn't sure what the protocol protocol.
Yeah, it was just, you know, you're already kind of on edge because you're late.
And if I was 30 minutes late, I might offer a...
Hold on, actually, I'm not going to say that, but if I was 30 minutes late somewhere, I might do...
Have you ever seen those Japanese bows where they actually like lay on the floor?
Like, I think you could have done that.
No, I'm kidding, but apology.
An apology was in order.
I'm really sorry, and I do have snacks in the car.
Snacks?
By the way, hold on, but actually, the worst thing was you parked in the wrong lot or something.
Don't say where, but you parked somewhere, and then you were slowly, well, I saw you, slowly walking, and then you arrived, and then you had to go back to move your car, and then you slowly walked back to your car, and then you moved.
By the way, you should have just taken the ticket at that point.
And then you found a new parking spot, and then you slowly meandered back.
Just pointing it out.
Okay.
Yeah.
But Brian, she was wearing heels.
If she was moving too fast, they could have got stuck in a crack or something.
And she would have been like another like five minutes late.
Well, I was what I was saying, I think before she arrived is even with the heels, if I was 30 minutes late, I'm fucking bolting to the I'm running whipping the heels off.
Even if I'm wearing, if I'm no, I'm keeping the heels on.
As a man, I'm wearing the heels.
Okay, okay, okay.
And I'm bolting.
I don't care if I snap my ankle.
I don't care if I tear my Achilles tendon.
I don't care if I get an ACL tear, LCL tear.
If I'm 30 minutes late, I'm taking the L, I guess.
But anyways, oh, the girl, the Jocelyn Silva girl who no showed, who I called, the first girl I mentioned, she just sent me a DM.
Don't pull it up, Tiffany.
At least I put my responsibilities first.
Thank you for the shout out.
I can't apologize for taking care of important things.
Have a great day, though.
Well, I don't know if you're watching the stream, you fucking retard, Jocelyn Silva, but taking care of important things.
Even if we were to grant that last night your mom had an emergency and you had to take her to the hospital, you're not the one being treated.
If you know you're not going to make it, here, watch, retard.
Hey, sorry, fuck your podcast.
You're a fuck it.
I don't like you.
I'm not coming.
15 seconds while you're waiting in the waiting room.
Instead, you're posting Instagram stories.
You're posting Instagram stories.
You fucking retard.
You're either lying or even if you're telling the truth.
What's that scene from Casino with Robert De Niro where there's that local guy where there was like three jackpots in 15 minutes?
And it's like, you're either fucking in on it, in which case you're fired, or you're too fucking incompetent to see that you were getting set up and they were rigging the games.
In either case, you're fucking fired.
Either case, even if your mom was in the hospital, you still could have said something.
You were posting Instagram stories.
You had time to post retarded-ass Instagram stories.
You had time to DM us and be like, hey, I'm a piece of shit.
I'm not coming.
You could have done that, but you didn't.
So fuck you.
Hold on.
Fuck it.
Okay.
All right.
This is my therapy, by the way.
Keeping a Situationship Guy00:12:44
Trying to think.
Pull up Mason's Instagram.
I'm going to talk some shit about Mason.
Bring it up.
Pull up Mason's Instagram.
Pull up Mason.
This guy.
Get me out of here.
This fucking guy.
So, guys, Mason, click on that first photo.
Mason has a documentary coming out.
It's called Rise Under.
We haven't officially named it, but Rise Under is my slogo.
Yeah, logo.
Yeah.
Not slogo.
Words.
They're difficult.
And so, yeah, guys, if you're, there's a trailer out.
We're not going to be able to show the whole thing, but if you guys want to check out the trailer for Mason's recovery, they're doing a documentary.
It's on his Instagram.
They've posted on YouTube, but they can just go to your Instagram, right?
To see it.
Yeah, you can go to my Instagram.
It's this one, right?
I partnered with Emily Hayes.
She's an incredible documentary maker.
She's shown me some of the content from the documentary itself, and it's absolutely incredible.
Very surprised at how good she's done with it.
But yeah, you can go to my Instagram page.
Go to hers.
There, Tiffany, just so they can see the page.
Yeah, that's Mason's Instagram page.
Check out his documentary.
When's it?
Is it like there's a date?
So right now we're thinking about June, July.
Okay.
Yeah.
Rock and roll.
Okay, guys.
We're going to get into the show.
I needed to cover a few things there at the beginning.
So sorry that we're late.
Sorry for the that whole kerfuffle.
And let's see.
Well, okay, here, let's do this.
Why don't you guys tell your relationship status?
I'm married.
Okay.
For how long?
I've been married for two years now.
Married or engaged?
No, married.
I guess I should say almost two years because I'm about to turn 20.
So like a year.
And is this your longest relationship?
Yes.
My longest.
How long were you together before you were married?
Maybe like three or four months.
Okay, so about you've been together for basically two years.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Is he LDS also?
He is.
Okay.
And are you from Utah?
Yeah, we're both from Utah.
But you both live now in Los Angeles?
Yes, we both do.
Okay.
And you do OnlyFans.
Yes, I do OnlyFans.
So we're not going to dive into that quite yet, but we will definitely talk about the OnlyFans stuff and how that might potentially conflict with being Mormon and LDS.
What about you?
Relationship status?
Single.
All right.
How long have you been single for?
About two years.
All right.
About two years.
What's the longest relationship you've had?
Five years.
Five years.
Okay.
Is that the one that ended two years ago?
Yes.
Okay.
Who broke up with who?
Well, he cheated, so I left him.
But he's deceased now, so rest in peace.
Oh, okay.
I'm going to go too hard on him, but like recently or?
Yeah, on March 1st.
Oh, shit.
Drugs?
Gracious.
Car accident.
Oh, fuck.
Damn.
Sorry to hear that.
So I agree with, you know, people who appropriate those car accidents because real people get hurt, real people lose their lives.
Yeah.
Yeah, just like, you know, look, if you're, don't lie about being in a car accident or like a family member dying.
Just be like, I have explosive diarrhea.
Like, have it be something just to do.
I can respect that.
If you tell me I have explosive diarrhea, then it's like, I don't know.
Okay, don't show up.
Yeah, please, don't show up.
We beg of you.
Yes.
And like, it takes some, like, it takes some gumption, some like fortitude, some foundation to be able to, like, tell somebody, hey, the real reason I can't be there right now is because you suck or I have explosive diarrhea.
100.
Like, I can respect that.
Yeah.
Just keep it a stack.
Exactly.
Just tell me the truth.
Come on.
But, so, wow, okay, so any kids?
I raised my nephew since he was a baby.
I don't have any of like my own.
Are you still like he lives with you, your nephew?
Yeah, he's the guardian or the adoptive parent.
You adopted him.
Yes.
How old is he?
He's 19.
Oh, okay.
So he still lives with you?
Yeah, he's a senior in high school, so he's graduating this June.
Okay, interesting.
Nephew.
Yes.
Interesting.
Let's see.
Okay.
In the two years you've been single, any guys in the picture?
Yeah, I've had a situationship.
Currently?
Yeah, my man, but not my man.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
He's my man, but he's not my man.
So I'm loyal to him, but you know.
You're loyal to him, but he's just not constricted into a thing.
Because I'm moving too, so it's like I'm not trying to, you know.
Where are you moving to?
North Carolina.
From California?
You're in LA or where are you?
I'm in San Diego, Oceanside area.
So North County.
San Diego, the North Carolina?
Yeah, I'm originally from Ohio, so that's a little more of my speed.
It's kind of a downgrade, to be honest.
It's more affordable, you know.
I don't know.
Well, yeah.
It's a little more real, too.
It's just, I'm a little over like the facade out here.
So I need energy.
Have you ever been to the South?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I have some family in the South.
And Ohio is pretty similar to that area as well.
I went to school in the South, so I lived there for like eight years.
When are you moving?
December.
December.
Okay.
Okay.
Oh, so you're here for another nine, eight months.
All right.
But so you're in a situationship.
How long have you been in the situationship?
Well, it's been on and off.
We were like locked in for a couple months and then we went our separate ways and we just kind of re connected.
How soon after the breakup of your five-year relationship did you get involved with the situationship?
Eight months.
So eight months later.
Yeah.
But between the breakup of your five-year relationship and the now on-off situationship, were there any other guys in between?
And have there been any guys, I guess, between the breakup two years ago with the five-year guy and now?
Any other guys in the picture?
Other than the one situationship?
No.
Okay.
So you've been seeing the situationship for over a year.
Is that correct?
Yeah, like on and off.
Is it currently on?
It's on right now, yeah.
When's the last?
So when's the last time you saw him?
Yesterday.
Did you guys have cardinal knowledge?
Yes.
What?
Now, see, this is what is interesting to me: is like this is a guy you've been seeing, granted, on and off, but you're currently on for it sounds like 14 months or I don't know, 15 months.
He was inside of you yesterday, but when I asked you what your relationship status was, you said single.
Yeah.
Now, if perhaps this is a bit presumptuous and it's, you know, making an assumption, but when someone tells me they're single, I assume there at least hasn't been a penis inside of them for like a fortnight, you know, two weeks.
You know, that's like the you know what I mean?
Now, technically, look, a woman could have had a one-night stand the night before, and it was strictly a one-night stand.
She's never going to see the guy again.
Is she tech, she's single?
Yes.
If she was asked what her relationship status is, would she say single?
Yes.
But in your case, there's been this ongoing thing.
You're loyal to him.
He's not loyal to you, though.
Is that correct?
Yeah, in a way, I guess you could say that.
Like he sleeps with other women.
No.
It's just more like we're enjoying each other's company.
We're enjoying each other.
And if he wanted to go do that, he would let me know.
And then I would just, you know, take my leave because I don't do sharing.
So it's just more of a...
We just don't have the title because that's just not necessary.
Because at the end of the day, I'm moving.
So I'm not going to pretty much go pour new energy into people for a temporary time versus like spending time with someone who I already have a connection with.
Well, you know.
The only complication there is how long have you, like, when did you make the determination that you're going to be moving?
Is this a new thing?
This was decided officially at the end of last year.
So December 2021?
Yeah, I'm on my 25.
I decided I was like, so five months ago.
Yeah.
But you've been seeing the guy for a year and a half or something.
No, no, we were involved for a couple months and then we separated.
He got into a relationship.
And then once he got out of that relationship and then like we just reconnected through there because he'd reached back out to me.
I see.
Okay.
And when was that?
Before the November or December of 25?
When he reached out back to you.
Yeah, when he reached back out to you.
Before you decided or after you decided?
It was after I had decided.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Prior to the breakup, did you guys have a title then?
When you guys were together for what, eight months or something?
No, we didn't have a title because I, like I said, was out of my relationship and I didn't feel like I was ready to be like fully locked into someone.
Okay.
So it was more just like, okay, this is someone I have a really good connection with.
We are compatible on a lot of things, but like I don't want to hold myself or him to a standard that we can't like follow through on.
So until I feel like that.
But then once we decided to separate because I was more ready for a commitment and he was not.
So it's like, okay, well, you go do you.
Okay.
Find what I need.
So you guys pretty much right now you have a planned breakup.
Yes.
Okay.
Got it.
Huh.
Okay.
I see.
Interesting.
Interesting.
So although it's, all right, you're leaving, so you're not trying to have anything more, I guess.
But you're not totally single, right?
So like if a guy were to hit on you at the grocery store that you found attractive and he was like, hey, can I get your number?
Would you.
No.
So you would tell him you're taken?
No, it's just I just don't really believe for myself being involved with more than one person at a time, like physically, because I'm all about clean and safety.
So it's like if I'm going to be involved with this one person physically, that's it.
And until we decide like, okay, that's off, or I let him know, like, hey, I'm going to go explore my options, I'm going to just respectfully decline.
Well, let's say, um, okay.
I'm just thinking of a scenario where, like, conceivably a guy could approach you who you find more attractive than your current guy or whatever.
Yeah, what's your reasoning for turning down, like, an attractive guy that comes up to you, just say in the store?
Like, why are you going to turn him down?
But you're not going to turn down this situationship that you're in.
Well, as of right now, it's because like I'm moving, so it's like, there's no point in me putting like energy or wasting someone else's time, you know?
So I guess, yeah, yeah, it makes sense, makes sense.
So why are you putting that energy into something you know is going to end?
Like, what's your justification for that?
It's continuity, comfort, problem.
I think it's more just the, like, it's the ease of, like, okay, like, I don't have to stress, like, because your girl brain, right?
Like, when you don't have an end date, right?
It's like, okay, well, maybe my Delulu will kick in.
I'm like, oh, maybe he'll want to commit.
Maybe he'll want to do this.
But it's like, we both know this is going to end at some point.
So it takes the pressure and the stress of like, oh my God, like the insecurity, all that.
And because it's just like, we're just going to enjoy each other for as long as this shit lasts.
Like, and that's just it.
Yeah, I guess so.
Yes.
I mean, I mean, from an outside point of view, I'm not in your head.
I'm not in his head.
It just looks like you're using him for sex and like not being alone.
Like, you don't want to be outside of a relationship and you don't want to lose the sex.
Therefore, I want to keep this guy around.
I want to keep my arm candy around.
The Pressure of Boyfriend Titles00:03:05
Yeah, you can absolutely say that.
Okay.
That's very fair.
Yeah.
But I guess the single thing is you, because I asked your relationship status.
You said single.
Well, just because like I'm not going to like claim like a false advertisement.
I'm not going to claim to be something that I'm not.
So like he's not going to tell people I'm his girlfriend.
So I'm not going to tell him that that's my boyfriend because that's just ridiculous.
But there would be other categories besides single that would describe your situation that don't go to the extent of I'm in a relationship.
I have a boyfriend.
I would say you are you might not want to put the title of boyfriend.
I would categorize you as in a relationship, but at the bare minimum, you are seeing a guy.
You're not single.
I like to use the term boot up.
I would think that.
Boot up?
Yeah, I'm just, I'm boot up.
Like.
Oh, boot up.
What?
Oh, boo.
A boo.
Now, a boo.
Boo.
Boot up.
Yeah.
I thought you were saying Buddha for a second.
I thought you were saying boot up like a computer.
That's what I thought.
Second of all.
Boot up.
Does anybody remember that, like, from the 90s, that it was like one of the first 3D animated things, Reboot?
That was, that shit was the sh, that was the shit.
That was the bomb, yo.
Reboot with the fucking, oh man.
And then, like, that little kid grew up and he had a fucking, he had like a five o'clock shadow and he's all fucking jacked.
I actually remember this.
And there was like, wait, fuck, there was hexadecimal.
Oh, my gosh.
Wait, there's like probably like 10 people in the chat who know what I'm talking about.
Reboot.
It was this 3D thing.
Oh, my God.
That was the shit.
There was hexadecimal.
There was...
Wait, fuck.
What was the name of the...
The...
The male bad guy?
Chat, what was the name of the male bad guy?
Man, it was Megatron Fong?
Megabyte.
Yeah, megabyte.
Back when megabytes were like actually a lot of space.
Goodness.
Nintendo 64.
It was 64 megabytes, right?
The Nintendo 64?
Nothing to do with dating, by the way.
And guys, remember, like the purple spheres would like come down and like, dude, that was so fucking cool.
Where are the like kind of like quirky?
You know, I know this is totally off topic, but fuck it.
Where are those like with with I don't know if you guys know this there's like a homogenity homogene homogenous homogenity.
I'm not sure if I'm saying that exactly how to pronounce it, but now that you say it, I don't know how homogeneous.
Well, I know I know homogenous, but homogenity.
I don't know.
Movies.
Movies.
Wait, yeah, movies, music, and I guess all forms of, like, I don't know.
It's very like cookie cutter in a way.
Progressing Family Forward00:15:21
Like, I feel like with music, especially, like, in the 90s, you would have like kind of these like kind of unique, I don't know.
I need to think this out.
Homogeneitical.
I don't know.
You would have like two princes.
Wait, no, hold on.
That's not the song I'm thinking of.
Fuck, whatever.
It doesn't matter.
Anyways, moving on.
Warning, incoming game.
Yes.
And then the fucking...
That shit was so cool.
Oh, fuck.
Okay.
Anyways, moving on.
All right.
Relationship status?
I'm married 25 years.
All right.
Wow.
25 years.
And how long were you with him before the marriage?
It's going to freak you out.
But we knew each other six weeks before we got engaged and six months before we got married.
I'm kind of actually all for this.
So far, you're selling me.
Okay.
So you knew each other six months, you said?
Okay.
So you got married around like 24, 25?
Yeah, I met him when I was 24 and turned 25.
Yeah.
And then got married.
Okay.
I'm assuming that's your longest relationship, though.
Yeah.
Did you have relationships before him?
Seven years.
Oh, seven years.
How soon after the seven-year relationship ended did you start dating your now husband?
Two years.
Two years.
Okay, I see.
All right.
That's a pretty good track record.
Pretty good.
Honestly.
Pretty clean.
Pretty clean there.
Unless shit was going down in high school.
I don't know.
Or after the breakup, I guess.
But wow.
And kids?
I have three kids.
And you have...
Were you married to the seven-year?
No.
Just dating him?
Yeah.
But you have a kid from him?
I do.
One kid?
Yes.
And then you have two kids from your husband.
Yes.
Okay.
So three kids total.
Yes.
All right.
God.
Question for you.
The custody arrangement from your ex, shared custody?
Or?
It's kind of a long story.
Give us the short version.
The short version.
So he basically was not in her life.
And then his parents kind of got in the middle of it.
And we got an every other weekend situation.
And then seven years into it, he married.
And then we had, I never kept her from seeing him, but they wanted a firm agreement, which was Wednesday night and every other weekend, which lasted till she was about 14.
And then she just saw him sporadically at that point.
So she was primarily with me and my husband most of her life.
Okay.
All right.
Did he pay you child support?
Not at first, not at all.
And then sporadically, and then when he got married and they took his taxes, he started paying it religiously after that.
But a very small amount.
I never asked for an increase until she was about 14.
I was pregnant with my son, and she was going to Cheerleading Nationals.
I was like, hey, can you throw a little extra money because I won't be going with her?
He told me no.
He had to pay, I think it was like $285 a month.
And then when we went, my husband said, take him back to court.
This is $285.
You know, he makes a lot more money.
This is ridiculous.
And they changed it to $996 a month based off of what he made when she was in ninth grade.
So we finally started getting normal.
But I mean, in high school, you have cars and she cheered.
And it did help, but she was expensive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
What about you?
My relationship status is in a committed relationship, but I was married for a very long time before that, for 15 years.
And I was with the same guy for 20 before that.
You were with my ex-husband, yeah.
20 years total.
Yeah.
And how long is your current relationship status?
11 months, almost a year.
Okay.
Any kids?
I have three kids with my ex-husband.
Three with the ex-husband.
Yes.
Okay.
Actually, I'm going to come to that really quick.
Just really quick, going back to you.
Any particular reason it ended with the father of your first child?
So I kept kind of waiting for him to be a man, and he was kind of waiting for me to be the man.
And then when I finished college and he was on my couch every week, and he still wasn't doing anything, I was just over it because he left when I was pregnant.
Like, I just, I'm from the South.
You know, you want to be, you're having a baby with this guy.
You want to be married to this guy.
You want to make this work.
And it was very, I'm doing all the things to make it work while he's laying on the couch.
And this just did he have a job?
He did work all kinds of jobs at that point.
Like, so when you say he was just laying around the house, did he have a full-time job?
He did.
He had more than one job.
No, he just won.
Oh, just won.
He had one full-time job.
But what I'm saying is.
Were you working too?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
I finished college.
He didn't.
I was progressing our family forward, and he was just kind of there.
It wasn't a team effort.
It was a one-way effort, if that makes sense.
And I just.
Well, was he contributing to the bills?
No.
But he was working, though.
Yes.
And you guys were living together?
No.
No.
Well, when you say he was just laying around the house, he would come to my apartment.
Like, he would be at my apartment.
This is when you had a kid.
Yes.
Right?
Okay.
Yeah.
He was just there, and it just kind of just so what were the things that you would have liked to have seen him more involved with doing, I guess?
Just progressing in your life.
I mean, maybe finish your degree, move out of your parents' house.
Wait, how old was he at this point?
If I was, he was like 26, 27.
He's almost four years older than me.
Okay.
Now, was he assisting, like, taking care of the kid?
When he would get her every other weekend, but he loved.
When you guys were still together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, when you were still together, he was only, he would get her on the weekends?
Yeah, but really his mother got her because he lived there and so he still went out and still did all the things he would usually do.
His mom just had her.
Young like partying and stuff or?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I see.
Okay.
Don't get me wrong.
When I didn't have my daughter with me, I was young.
I mean, I went out with my girlfriends.
We go do things.
But I just feel like I was progressing.
I just wasn't going to...
He just wasn't putting forth the effort at all to be together.
I see.
And he really liked to cheat.
Oh, he was cheating on you.
Was also awesome.
Yeah.
It was a whole thing.
You know, teenage love.
When you're young, you don't.
Hey, if I'm on my phone, just don't even put it on me.
You don't.
You don't think about, hey, is this dude going to be a great dad and husband?
You're not thinking that.
And then so going to you, you were married.
Sorry, when did you split up with your husband?
Late 2024 is when the problems really started and the divorce was finalized last year.
Okay, so when you say problems, what do you mean?
Can you give us details?
We grew apart in the sense of attraction, getting our emotional needs met.
Resentment grew into contempt, and that's a recipe for a relationship ending.
Who was resentful?
You?
Both of us.
Or he was also resentful?
We got pretty, you know, passive-aggressive with each other, which leads to resentment, which leads to criticism, which leads to I'm not even attracted to this person anymore.
So it was a mutual escalation of not liking each other?
Yes.
I tried my very best to bring the relationship back forward.
I mean, I was pregnant or breastfeeding kids for a long time.
So, you know, you kind of put yourself in the backseat.
You're not important.
So I started to take care of myself again and be the woman he fell in love with.
And unfortunately, it didn't work.
Who initiated the divorce?
We got to switch cameras, please.
Huh?
I initiated the divorce.
Okay.
What did you cite on the divorce for what was the reason or whatever?
Irreconcilable differences.
Okay.
Does he pay you alimony?
No.
Do you pay him alimony?
No.
Is the divorce still ongoing?
No.
It's finalized.
Child support?
No.
So you guys have 50-50 custody?
Yes.
No child support, no alimony?
No.
What about your respective?
Was there a distribution of any he paid you, you paid him in terms of settling the community property or whatever?
There was quite a bit of that.
So there's like a lump sum payment or yes.
In which direction?
From you to him or him to you?
I gave him a house.
I remodeled the whole thing.
And he moved into it.
So wait, he got the house in the divorce?
No, I kept my house that I built.
Oh.
But I flip houses/slash build ground up.
And so one of the houses that I was flipping at the time was in my same city.
And so instead of flipping it, I just said, why don't you just keep this house and move into it?
Oh, okay.
So you gave him a house?
Yes.
And in terms of any sort of distribution of resources or money or property.
Oh, you paid him money too?
Yes.
Did he give you anything or no?
No.
So you were the breadwinner in the relationship?
Primary, yes.
Primary breadwinner.
He was working, but you made more.
Yes, but you know, it's, I didn't hate him.
We didn't have, we have three children together.
We know that he's going to be in my life forever.
You know, even when they're 18, you know, they're going to get married.
They're going to have grandkids.
Yeah.
So I know that if at any given point he's struggling financially, my kids are going to feel that.
And I never wanted them to feel that.
Okay.
That's pretty reasonable, I would say.
So you guys were married for 15 years, you said?
Yes.
What was he doing for work?
He's also in the real estate-related field.
But you were better?
I was in a commissionable slash self-employed state, yes.
He was more of a W-2 paycheck type of person.
Now, so if you had to do like a multiplier, how much more were you out earning and buy 2X?
On a slow year, on a good year, five or six X.
Okay.
Was he making six figures?
Sometimes.
Okay, so it's fair to say you were probably making around half a million a year.
Sometimes.
That I got a seven-figure year one.
Oh, sometimes you made seven figures in a year?
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, I get one, I guess.
Congrats on the success.
But the reason I say wow is because I think if the roles were reversed, while you, oh, well, you said you gave him money too.
Yes.
But you're not paying him like an ongoing alimony, which no, I gave him enough assets that are passive income to supplement.
Passive income?
Yeah.
Assets that generate monthly income.
Oh, so you transferred like some real estate holdings to him?
Like apartments or assets that generate not necessarily apartments.
Sometimes it's private notes.
I do mortgages for a living.
Sometimes I lend my own money, hard money, and that generates interest income.
Okay, I see.
So, and were there lawyers involved in the divorce?
Yes.
Okay, was the divorce combative or collaborative?
Very peaceful.
All right.
So it was sad.
It really was.
I hate it.
There's only one lawyer?
Yeah.
We did a mediation.
So.
Who paid the lawyer?
I did.
Did the hold on.
Usually the lawyer has to get permission from the other party, like a because there's a bit of a conflict of interest when usually each person wants their own lawyer.
Yes.
I don't know if he was naive on that front, but no, he consulted with two other attorneys.
I told him you need to consult with two other attorneys.
Okay.
This is, I laid out all the discoveries basically and said, this is everything.
This is what I can do.
If you need more, then, you know, these are the things that are going to have to happen.
But he was very fair.
He wasn't, you know.
And I was very fair too.
I did not give him the short end of the stick.
Yeah, you didn't just tell him to fuck off, I guess.
And he's an amazing person.
We were just not good for each other.
Question for you, though.
Had he been a bit more litigious, do you think that while you're saying that what you offered to him in the divorce was fair, do you think he could have gotten more given divorce laws?
Potentially, but the amount would have been negligible after capital gains taxes for assets that I would have to sell.
Okay.
Entitlement in Divorce00:14:32
And at the end of the day, they're just assets I'm leaving the kids.
So it kind of was: if you want to get rid of them, we can, but you're just taking away things from our children.
Okay, so you had a lot of, you had things tied up with, you know, real estate.
And that's not at all.
I'm like, this is all, and he's my default person.
If I pass away, all of my assets are going to him.
I'm not going to, I trust him to take it.
Right, right, right.
Okay.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Obviously, there are when the woman is the breadwinner, the primary breadwinner, there are instances where she's going to have to give the guy money or give him consideration.
So I do wonder, though, if the roles were reversed.
Obviously, I don't know all the details of your financial situation.
You're telling me that there was like an equitable, fair distribution.
I'll, of course, take your word for it.
But the no alimony, that to me, after, because for example, we had a woman on the show two weeks ago.
She was married to a guy for like 10, 15 years.
She's getting lifetime alimony from him.
I guess the no alimony thing when you were significantly out earning him is a bit interesting, although it sounds like you have offered him, you did offer him a good amount and he's good.
But I think I could see perhaps a woman in the same situation being a bit more ruthless.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, statistically speaking, that's what most divorce lawyers see when the role is reversed.
Not saying every single time, but in the majority of cases, when the roles are reversed, the man usually says he pays his lawyer, here's 2,000 bucks, come to me when the divorce is over.
He just wants to get over with.
And usually when divorce lawyers deal with the females in the situation, it's very much them.
I want to fight him tooth and nail.
I want to take his property, his money, literally everything.
Which I think there are, like, I understand where that comes from, but they are very, very, I guess, aggressive in those pursuits.
I need to get up for a moment to deal with something.
Can you guys like carry the conversation for 10, 15 minutes and like keep in mind there's 5,000 people watching right now?
Nice.
Please don't make it like boring chitter chatter.
Like actually have an engaging convo.
So take it away.
I go for it.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think, yeah, in those circumstances, for some reason, it's just like, I think it's built into females' nature where they're a lot more aggressive in those divorce proceedings.
What people don't understand or fail to realize is that when you do have those high-profile divorces or high-net worth divorces, the attorneys are the ones that end all they see is a gold mine because they know that there's the ability to pay attorneys' fees.
So if you have the ex-husband paying attorneys fees and you have the ex-wife paying attorney's fees, within two years, you can rack up. half a million dollars in attorney's fees easily.
So that's another thing that I brought up is we can fight each other tooth and nail.
Oh, yeah.
And we can have half a million dollars just go poof.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I totally agree.
Like in your situation, I think this is a very, this is a very like extremity situation.
It's not going to happen super often.
It makes sense because like what I'm trying to suggest is say the man is making as much as you were making and the woman's making as much as he's making.
That similar circumstance just flipped.
That's the case in which most divorce lawyers will see the woman fight tooth and nail to make sure like he feels it in the divorce.
Where like in your circumstance, like you realize you're the breadwinner, you're making the most money.
So you want to protect those assets, which I understand, I get it.
But to do that, you want to make this as less, like as minimally argumentative and conflict words.
I guess with as little disagreement as possible.
And we also have three children that we were trying to protect and shield from any and all potential harm that may come their way.
I agree.
I think that is wise.
But still in the opposite case, like even if three, four, or five children are involved, in most cases, when it's the situation is reversed, it doesn't really seem to inhibit that desire from the female's point of view to really want to take everything and make him feel that.
So I.
I feel like it kind of plays to like gender roles, right?
Where it's like as women, most women, I think we feel like it is like a man's duty to like provide and protect.
So like even when you're leaving that marriage, especially if there's like infidelity and things, there's like a sense of entitlement, which I can understand from like a woman.
It's like, okay, well, you're making more.
I'm making less.
Like you've been accustomed to this lifestyle.
So then like you feel like you should still be able to keep your lifestyle based off whatever the circumstances were for being divorced.
Whereas men, because of the gender roles, they might just like not, like you said, be as like cutthroat of like, no, I'm going to get mine because they feel like, okay, well, like she's the female, like it's not her job to provide for me.
So I think maybe that's why maybe some men take a backstep.
But there are men who are ruthless because my sister's ex-husband, he cheated on her and she was like the full sole priority.
Like he was working for her.
Like he was literally getting his money from her.
And then when they were getting divorced because of his infidelity, he was still thought like he was going to keep his car, his boat, the house, like all these things.
And was like, no, baby, it's time for you to go be a man and figure out your life because that's why you cheated because you wanted something else.
So go find it.
And she still like, you know, gave him what he came with, you know, but it's like, I think that's why maybe that's what you're saying.
Like some women are more aggressive because there's like that entitlement.
Well, no, I think it's just like it's the system in general.
Women are just extremely aggressive in these divorce proceedings.
Because I think referencing those sex roles where men do feel like they need to provide and protect, they are held to a standard that they need to still hold to their typical gender roles or sex roles, where women are never like, they never need to hold to their gender roles, their sex roles.
They're never held to that standard.
And I think that is just, it's reflected in the divorce proceedings because the woman doesn't have to worry about being virtuous, being accommodating, being kind, respectful, because those are the virtues that are usually seen in like a healthy relationship out of the woman.
And those virtues are essentially sucked out when it comes to divorce.
And they're not held to that standard, where men are just usually vehemently attacked when they're not held to their own standard of being that provider and protector.
So that they suffer the consequences in those divorce proceedings.
But usually on the other side, when the woman just brushes off her gender sex roles, there's not really too much consequence for it.
It's usually met with more of an understanding.
Like, I get why you do that.
I can see from your situation why you're reacting that way.
Whereas if a man brushed off his gender roles and said, hey, I'm not going to provide.
I'm not going to protect.
I'm going to try to pull everything out of her.
Like, immediately, he's attacked.
He's villainized.
And I see that as a huge problem.
I think it's also like female-male brain type of thing, where it's like women were obviously more emotional creatures.
Like things are very gray area for us.
And I feel like with men, it's very much like black and white, how they move.
So it's like if you look at general breakups, right?
Like a guy will absolutely get over a girl way quicker than she'll get over him.
And like she could carry that pettiness or whatever.
I think actually it's actually the reverse.
Usually, it is actually true.
I feel that way too.
Yeah.
Women, it usually takes them like it's a lot shorter of a time for them to get over a breakup.
Whereas men, it takes a very, very, very long time.
Because there is that, I think what plays into it a little bit is that having that provider and protector status that you're trying to hold on to.
Like we are, it's built into our DNA as men.
We must protect.
We must provide for the woman that we love.
I say it's the way God designed us.
It's supposed to be our second half.
And then when that's stripped away from us, it's like, well, we've just lost our meaning in life when it comes to having that second half.
Like it's gone now.
What do I do with that?
And I mean, where we find in the Bible, and I think we see this in nature itself.
The woman is usually designed as the helper, like to be that team player with the man.
Exactly, the support.
And yeah, essentially that's taken away from the man, you're that support.
And yeah, I think that's, it's easier for a woman to get over.
It's much harder for a man to get over.
Maybe I've just encountered, I think, different men.
And that's where I guess you can say the value stance of it, right?
Like you said, like when you're thinking of like, like you said, your better half, your rib, like when you're thinking of it like in a data standpoint, like I can understand that for sure.
But I think a lot of people don't have like that foundation.
They're very quick to just discard, move on to the next thing.
Well, and the thing is, yeah, well, I think, yeah, I mean, I think faith, the biblical point of view, is foundational.
But we see that through statistics and statistical analysis, how quickly women can move into a new relationship.
And it seems like they're just totally fine versus men.
I mean, I've seen about a billion Instagram reels of men talking about how, like, I've been, I've divorced, or not divorced, broke up with this chick five years ago, and I'm still not over it.
I mean, obviously, that's like case by case, but statistically speaking, that is accurate.
Because you've also, like, you use the, like, gone into another relationship.
I think maybe that's where some of my mindset differs a little bit too.
It's not so as like, like, he'll get into another relationship quickly, but he's like willing to like be with someone else, whether it's like physically, like, quicker.
Yeah, well, yeah, in my opinion.
And I'm not suggesting that just because you get into a relationship really quickly, it means that you've healed from your last one.
I think the vast majority of people who I mean, pretty much every single person who has gotten out of a relationship and jumps into a new one immediately, like they're trying to heal the pain that they feel by with that new person and essentially ruining the future with this new person.
And it actually, I mean, it hurts them as well along that process.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, so I got to say, I was pretty miserable in my marriage for the last two years that it lasted.
And women, the reason why women move on really fast is because women will literally stay in a relationship until there is nothing left.
Like, I tried everything.
Every stone was turned over twice and looked at over and over.
And then you're just numb, there's nothing left.
And you just, it's time to go.
And that's when you know.
When you would rather live in a cardboard box than to sit in that house for five more seconds.
You're like, this, it's just done.
And there's a whole big difference in a scorned divorce and an amicable divorce.
I know lots of people who have divorced just like her.
They just fell out of it.
They still loved each other, but it didn't work.
They hacked everything.
They moved on.
And then I have friends that were cheated on that were like, I'm going to take everything I can get my hands on.
It just, it depends on what leads up to the divorce, I think, of how it plays out, regardless of sex roles.
It's just your mindset going into it.
Yeah, well, I mean, I understand there are circumstances, like, yes, I know those circumstances that do happen.
However, I mean, statistically speaking, it's usually men that will last the longest in a relationship.
They will go through, like, they realize they're held to that standard, that provider and protector role.
And they will hold to that, even though they are absolutely miserable.
I know there are times when men will initiate a divorce, but statistically speaking, what is it?
Like 70 to 80% of divorces are initiated by women?
Yeah, I think you're correct on that saying.
Like, men will literally, yeah, like they will.
They would rather die with that family unit still intact versus I'm going to go try to find something else.
But I feel like even though they are miserable.
The reason why women initiate more too is because what you're saying, like men will just stay in it, but like a lot of them will then end up being unfaithful or this and that because like they would rather go cheat and disrespect versus like just ending the relationship.
So it almost like takes the woman to get to the point of like, you know what?
Okay, like I'm done for them to leave the man.
Well, I think this also comes into the understanding of like, so women's brains are very emotional.
I think in men's brains, we see things black and white, very rationally based versus like in the moment.
I'm not saying women have no rationality, but generally speaking, their nature is more emotional.
They're carers.
They're nurturers.
They love to see, I mean, they love to see their children happy.
I mean, there's that exuberance that comes out of a home because of a woman.
Me as a man, I don't really bring that exuberance.
Rational vs Emotional Brains00:03:30
I'm looking for that.
But anyway, so the reason I think divorces are initially So much overwhelmingly initiated by women is that they base their decisions on emotion.
Like today, or like over the last, let's say, two, three years, I felt terribly about this marriage.
I would rather live in a cardboard box because I feel awful.
Well, and then I'm going to base my decision on that, even though I know this is going to be splitting up the home for these four or five children and it's going to ruin their life.
But emotionally, I feel terrible.
Whereas men, like, we see it very rationally, where we look at, okay, yes, I feel terrible.
Like, those emotions do occur for men.
As hard as that is to believe, I can feel terrible.
But I look at that emotion, but then I look at the rational, but I'll be destroying our family that we've built.
I can't let that happen because I know the terribly rigorous stress, trauma that it's going to bring upon our family.
It's going to ruin it.
It's going to tear our children apart.
I know the statistics of like the children who are in a divorced household.
I know the terrible stuff that comes out of that.
So I need to make sure I hold this together, even though I will be miserable till the day I die.
Those people are more important than myself.
And I'm not saying that every man is thinking that, like, consciously, subconsciously, that is usually the motivation, motivation, motivating factor for why they try to hold that family together because they are held to the standard of that provider and protector.
Yeah.
I mean, it's absolutely valid.
Like, a lot of people, like you said, where they consider the whole like kids and everything.
I think that's sometimes where it splits too, is, like the role model aspect of like, is it better to show your children to stay in a marriage you're unhappy and just to so like they'll be okay for the moment, like until they're like pretty much out of your house?
Or is it better for you to show your children like hey like, if you're not getting what you deserve on both sides, male or female it's better for you to walk away and go find what you deserve?
Yeah, you have to model the relationship because then you're gonna so do you really want to?
So, I guess, pushing back a little bit, do you really want to show them that like, splitting up this divinely instituted relationship is what you should do?
I feel like, if like okay, circumstance right, like if i'm in this marriage it's not working and we've like gone to counseling and we've done all these things to like put the work in and it's still not working, or one person's still not getting treated the way they deserve, then like I would be okay with my child seeing that like hey, if you put in everything you could and it's still not working because one or both are not putting in the effort, then like there's a point when you have to walk away.
But yeah, if you're just saying like, oh well, like i'm unhappy right now, he's not, you know, whatever this person's getting made whatever, but walk away, then yeah, that's well.
So like, but isn't the i'm not happy with this?
Like just saying uh, we've tried to go to counseling, stuff like that, but it's not working out.
Isn't that really just the what's underlying all of those statements?
I'm just not very happy with this person and you're just trying to usually just trying to make up something to justify why we need to end this relationship.
Well, I feel like, if you've done counseling, you've actually like, had the proper channels of communication to try to figure out how to make each other happy, and you still have found zero conclusion.
Justifying Relationship Ends00:14:41
Like, where do you?
I mean, where do you go from that point?
Like i'm asking.
I have some thoughts uh, at least on this general topic.
Um, going back to you, so okay, you got divorced.
Uh, when did you guys split up?
Uh, end of 2024.
So uh, two years ago or one and a half years ago?
One and a half years ago wait, hold on, wait.
Like divorced or like separated.
Separated, where he we were not sharing the same bedroom anymore.
A year and a half ago.
Correct.
And that's why it's not healthy for the kids to see that.
Hold on, but the divorce was finalized when?
2025.
2025.
And but you were separated a year and a half ago.
Correct.
Do you know what month about?
Around December of 2024.
Okay, so it's April now, so a year and four months.
Yeah, we were living pretty parallel lives before that.
Parallel lives?
We would have never come together, really, until I asked him to, you know, think it's better if he moved downstairs.
Now, you said you were in a relationship for one year.
11 months.
That's May of 2025.
Okay.
How did you meet that guy?
One of my long, long time friends, he was actually at my wedding, introduced me to him and said, There might be some vibes here.
Wait, introduced?
Go ahead.
He said, you know, why don't you...
He's like, man, dating in LA is awful.
You know, these guys are not it.
They like want to be chased.
They want the woman to text first, like, okay, princess, what's your shoe size?
Like, you know, don't.
It's.
So my friend, he's like, man, and he's in a more conservative part of town.
He's like, I'm going to introduce you to this person.
I'm just going to make the introduction.
And if you can get him, I will bow down to you.
I think he's an unattainable guy.
Wait, I'm a bit confused.
The guy who you're currently with was introduced to me by one of my best friends.
He was at your wedding?
He was at my wedding.
Wait, your best friend who did the introduction?
Yes, one of my very good friends.
The guy you're currently with.
Yes.
Was he the one who was at your wedding?
No, he was not at my wedding.
The guy that was at my wedding introduced me to my boyfriend.
So you didn't know him, the guy who you're currently with?
I had no idea who he was.
Okay.
I never met him.
He basically just did a...
Here, I'm going to show you.
He had talked, they had like bonded over their divorces and stuff like that.
And he said, you know, why don't you take my friend out?
And he said, oh, no, I'm not interested in women.
Like, they're a bunch of trouble.
He goes, here, how about now?
And he's like, okay, maybe I'll take her out.
And I was just going to go on a date, like one date, because it's.
But so you were like, what, six, this is six months post separation that you met this.
Yes.
And you were married for, you were together with this guy for 20 years.
Correct.
Married for 15.
Correct.
Three children.
Correct.
Grieved the loss of the marriage.
Six months a little short.
Hold on.
Grieved the loss of the marriage over two years.
I begged my ex-husband to take me on a date for two years.
He didn't plan, not even one.
Take a look at it.
Date me.
Win me over again.
I want you to win me over again.
Take me on a date.
Plan a date.
Wait, This is when I was with my ex-husband.
Yeah, yeah, no, I understand that.
You told your ex-husband in an effort to make it make it work, you said, what?
Can you plan a date for us?
I want you to take me on a date.
But you said, win me over again.
Yes, I said, I want you to win me over again.
Because it was.
He was your husband.
It was already, I want you.
Let's start over.
How did we fall in love?
Let's do it again.
And so he spend time together again.
And so you asked him to take you out on dates and he refused.
Yeah, I said, just plan something.
Buy me flowers on a random Tuesday just because you're thinking about me.
It could be a flower office.
He should buy you flowers.
I wanted him to do something for me that he loved me.
Was he depressed?
I think so.
But was he just moping around the house?
Was like he out of work or was he working?
He was working and then he was out of work for a vast majority of 2024, which is where I said, okay, well, he's not working anymore.
So maybe now his job is going to be, I'm going to pay attention to my wife here.
Well, was there like...
A couple clarifying things.
Was there any cheating in your relationship?
No.
On either your end, his end.
Other men did not exist for me.
Okay.
So was there any abuse?
No.
No, no physical violence?
No.
No yelling or no yelling, but there were criticism.
We were very critical of each other.
Critical of each other?
Yes.
So how would he be critical of you?
He was more passive-aggressive with comments.
How so?
Like, give me an example.
Like, oh, yeah, way to go.
That's a great.
Let's do it harder because it's easier for you or, you know, things comments.
Are we talking about sex or what are we talking about?
No, we're talking about like if we're putting up a shelf in like our kids' bedroom or something when we're redecorating, you know, getting it from like a nursery to like a kid's room.
And we have like a laser pointer and I'm like reading the directions and how to use it on the tripod and all that.
He's like, well, let's just do it your way because let's do it the hard way because it's easier for you or, you know, very critical things.
Okay, so you'd be kind of sassy.
Yeah.
And then you said you would be a little bit critical.
Critical towards him now.
The trash has been full for a while.
Like, you know, that's your job.
Why don't you do it?
Now, was there somebody who started this war?
Who took the first shot?
I did.
Of course I did.
I'm going to take full responsibility for that.
So you started nagging him?
Yes.
I resented, I resented him for a lot of things.
For what?
Not taking the trash out?
Maybe not initiating.
There was a moment in time where I had our son, our first child.
He's 12 now, so this was a long time ago.
And I profusely apologized to him because I was such a bitch and I shouldn't have been.
But I resented him because as a woman, your life changes.
But I still worked.
I took care of the child.
I still had all the domestic duties.
So, and he gets up, showers, goes to work, gets to be stuck in traffic for an hour each way.
And I have to do all of this by myself.
So at some point in the morning, I have my son like crying, and I can't even make myself breakfast because I have to tend to my son.
And my emails are piling up, my phone's ringing, and I'm like, I can't even make myself a breakfast quickly because he didn't wash the dishes last night.
Were you, and this is when your son was a newborn, your first kid?
When I say it was the first, the fourth, what they call the fourth trimester of having children is that newborn phase.
Were you taking time off work at this point?
I did take some time off of work, but not as much as I could because I. Were you working from home?
Correct.
I moved my office into my house.
But you took some time off, I'm assuming.
I did.
I took about, I mean, six weeks is not enough.
But I mean, I was still working because you just, you run a business, you have to continue to run it.
At that time, because it sounds like you were out earning him, but at that time, were you earning more than him?
Or was he the primary breadwinner then?
I was still.
You were still making more then, but not enough to the point where, like, he still had to work?
Yes.
At that point, I wasn't earning what I earned in the subsequent years.
But he actually earned more in the very beginning of our relationship.
Okay, he earned more.
And this is all real estate stuff.
You guys are real estate agents or brokers or yeah, I'm in the mortgage and I, you know, you buy a house, the crappiest house, the crappiest house in the business neighborhood.
You make it all beautiful.
You renovate, you flip.
Correct.
Okay.
It's not really a world I'm super familiar with, but I don't think that that matters all too much.
But okay, so you were both doing that.
You had a better, you did better than him.
You were both doing the same thing, basically.
Is that fair to say?
He works in a more office clerical role.
Okay, you were more the hustler.
Yes.
Okay, so you were flipping houses, renovating them, turning a profit, doing mortgages, all this stuff.
Okay.
You were out earning him, though.
But initially, he was out earning you.
But you said.
One time I said these words and it was so bad and I apologize profusely for him.
But almost everything was his fault and I was so critical.
And he deserves a medal of patience and honor for the words that I said.
I mean, having so much responsibility by myself with no help was very difficult.
That doesn't excuse the criticism that he received.
So you said it sounded like there was like a really bad thing that you said.
Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I really need help with the dishes.
Like, if I'm in the bedroom putting your son down to sleep for the night, I need you to be doing the dishes.
And one day I saw him and he was sleeping on the couch taking a nap.
And I all but yelled, you are not allowed to sit on the couch until those dishes are clean.
I am in the bedroom putting your son to bed.
I need help.
And that was the wrong way to communicate that.
Very wrong way.
So I know that that was entirely my fault.
And but so, you know, when you're in a relationship, these issues can often be ongoing.
You gave us one example of an instance where that happened.
Yes.
But was this a, And you know, perhaps he could have been more helpful.
Was this a pattern?
Was this a frequent occurrence happening daily, weekly?
It was, I want to say, like once or twice a month that it was that serious.
Where you would yell and was so frustrated and amped up because I was so tired and I just needed support and I wasn't getting it.
That your hormones are shot because you just gave birth to a baby.
You have all of this work.
You have very little support at home.
You're, I'm spent, you know, no one's filling my cup.
And I'm filling everybody else's cup.
So as my son got older, you know, we got a better schedule.
This saint of a man was still there.
And I apologized to him.
I see.
I knew that was wrong.
But what you apologized a couple months later, a couple years later.
How long?
A few months later, when things normalized, when we got our new normal, so to speak, I started reflecting on things, and I'm like, he didn't deserve that.
I shouldn't have said that or communicated that way.
My delivery was awful.
I should have said something different.
Now, you had, but also you went on to have two more kids.
So you have three kids total.
I would imagine having these other kids that creates additional burden, additional complications.
It's not just one kid, which is already a handful.
It's two kids and then three kids and then managing all that and then the increased burden financially of having more kids.
But so you took, when I asked the question, who took the first shot in this war?
You said you did.
So, I mean, I suppose on one hand, you have some degree of self-you have a degree, well, not just a degree, you do have self-awareness.
You are taking accountability.
But you said that, can you repeat what you said to him that first, like that first blow-up that you had when you said you yelled at him?
What did you say?
I had asked for help, and it was very difficult to put our son to bed.
Taking Accountability for Yelling00:12:16
It's like an hour process.
And obviously, men cannot breastfeed.
So that was solely my job.
And I need help.
If I'm doing something with your child, you know, I'm busy.
I cannot be in the kitchen at the same time.
And I would ask him, you know, I would really appreciate your help if you can help me clean the kitchen while I'm doing our son's bedtime routine.
And he agreed to do it, but I must have had an awful day.
And I came out after an hour, hour and a half of putting my son down to bed.
And the kitchen was still dirty, and he was on the couch sleeping.
And that put me into not being respectful, caring.
Like, I just laid down on the couch for a minute.
I was tired.
I'm like, you're tired?
Like, it's it goes into all of those conversations.
You're tired.
Like, I work just like you did, you know, while caring for a three-month-old baby for a while.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, okay.
Cooking the meals, you know, breastfeeding.
Breastfeeding is a full-time job.
Like, when you're breastfeeding a three-month-old baby, you're breastfeeding that baby half an hour every three hours.
Now, when this whole blowup happened, did it turn into a yelling match, an argument?
Did he yell back or was he apologetic?
Was it a long argument?
I don't know if you've ever had like a fucking three-hour, two-hour, two-hour, one-hour argument.
Was it just that brief one-minute blow-up or was it?
It's very brief.
He was very patient.
That's why I said he's a saint for taking all of that.
He was a saint for me.
And that's why I said I apologized multiple times for that.
But then, I mean, obviously.
I was the first time mom.
I had no idea what I was doing.
That doesn't excuse or my behavior.
What did you say again, though?
Remind me what you said to him.
You are not allowed to sit on that couch until the dishes are clean.
Ooh.
I know.
I know.
Trust me.
I know.
Yikes.
I know.
A man.
I know.
If that was me, that's an insta-divorce.
I'm just insta divorcing.
No fucking woman is ever going to tell me.
If a woman, if I was dating a woman and she ever fucking told me, you can't.
Now, look, obviously it's like, I can't fuck the maid.
That's fine.
I can't fuck.
You know, I can't cheat on you.
Like, of course.
But I can't rest in my fucking house.
Okay, it's over.
It's a fucking divorce.
No woman can tell me is going to boss me around like that.
I would never, I'm sorry.
It's a fucking divorce.
Whatever.
We're going to do 50-50 with the fucking kids.
It's fucking over.
I'm sorry.
So yeah, he's very, very patient, as you said.
But in my defense, I did ask nicely in the beginning, and I said how much that helps me, that the kitchen's clean in the morning.
Just coming home, I mean, going into the kitchen that's clean, it just.
We need his side of the story, yo.
Where is he?
Tell him to drive.
Where is he?
Where is he at?
He's in LA?
He lives like two minutes away from me.
Yeah.
All right, we're going to tell him.
He's that black baby.
He's fucking out.
We're going to fucking tell him.
I'm going to make up a name for him.
Fucking Bartholomew.
If you're watching this shit, Bartholomew, we need your side of the story.
Hey, this podcast goes long.
I know it's like a two-hour plus drive from Los Angeles.
Luckily, you know, it's getting later, so it's probably after rush hour.
Get in your fucking car, Bartholomew.
Send me a DM on Instagram.
Are you okay with this, though?
If he comes on the podcast.
He's not on Instagram.
I usually will not date someone if they're on Instagram.
Aren't you on Instagram?
Whatever.
It's just my family, really.
It's my kids on there.
Do you think he's watching?
No.
Okay, well, if she's cool with it, because I don't want to blindside, I don't want to be like Jerry Springer where I'm fucking blindsiding people.
If she's cool with it and you get in touch with me, we'll hear your side of the story if she's cool with it and you're down and if you're even fucking watching, which you probably aren't.
But I don't know.
I think he'll be much kinder.
I'm very critical on myself.
Yeah, you know, but that's the nice guy.
He's probably a nice guy.
I don't know, but I imagine this was like not, it was an ongoing thing.
I don't know.
Maybe you...
Because look, for men, respect is everything.
I know.
Respect is everything.
And it's like men want to feel like they're the man of the house.
And when you got your wife bossing you around, you got your wife.
You can't do this.
You can't do that.
Do the fucking dishes, bitch.
Little pussy boy, do the dishes, bitch.
I didn't say it like that.
Well, that's what my frustrating.
Yes, the frustrating part was that I had communicated, I need help.
I just cannot do everything.
But you were working from home, right?
And like he, you said he was commuting.
So like he would commute an hour to work, an hour back.
It's a pain sitting in a car for an hour.
He's probably, he's got his own shit.
He's working.
And it's like, I mean, you were working too, but I do feel like when you are working from home, like you can work and kind of multitask a little bit.
I did.
I had no choice but to.
I was in massive survival mode.
This is why, honestly, bro, we got to bring back traditional gender roles.
We can't have women working because when they're working, no offense, like when they're working, they're just fucking look at from a purely from a purely like pragmatic perspective.
If there are things that need to be done in the household, the children need to be taken care of, and you have a full-time job, it's too much.
Something's going to suffer.
Well, it's too much.
So it's like, it's just like, it's not even about, it's just from a purely realistic perspective, there's not enough time to both have a full-time job and be like paying attention to the, you know, cleaning the house, taking care of the kids.
This is why I think we need a return to patriarchy.
We got to, I don't know, we got to, men make the big bucks.
Let the men make the big bucks.
You guys make some fucking sourdough bread, make the sourdough, clean the kids, let them suck on the nip or whatever, whatever it is you do, the breastfeeding or whatever.
You know, have you guys seen the man boobs?
That's absurd.
That's absurd.
That shit's crazy, but I don't know.
I think in a situation where it's like the man's working, the woman's working, it's like, yeah, I think something's going to, like, there's going to be conflict because the kid needs attention, the house needs attention.
Like, how do you, how do you juggle all those things?
Maybe it can be done, but it's going to be, it's going to be stressful.
It's going to be hard.
We've tried this since like the 60s and 70s.
It's only gone downhill from then.
So it's like, let's go back to where things are solid, structured.
Back to the I would love to.
No.
I do agree.
Like, I do believe it'd be better, right?
If one person's working and one person's like doing more of the domestic stuff, that's just, it meshes well.
But realistically, that's just not going to be the case.
So I feel like what you hit on, like, respect absolutely is like, that's the one thing a man does 100% requires respect.
Like that can make or break.
But I feel like nowadays, women also require respect.
So in a way, like she was disrespectful for thinking she could tell him, like, oh, you're not allowed to sit on this couch.
But it's also disrespectful for him in a way to see how exhausted she was and like not just immediately do it because what would it take maybe 20 minutes to do the dishes?
But he let himself fall asleep.
So that's just passively disrespectful.
I understand what you're saying.
But see how her complaint wasn't respect.
It was take me out on dates.
Like show me love.
Give me flowers.
Special romance me again.
Okay, so I mean, again, I'm just going to dive right into this.
I mean, why do you think in scripture it tells like the men, you need to be able, you need to love your wives and wives need to respect your husbands.
So how she, I want my husband to woo me, to give me flowers, to show that he loves me.
Like just ignite something.
Let's get going.
And then he, like, what killed him was her disrespecting him.
Like saying those, like, you're not allowed to sit on the couch until you get this work done.
Like, showing him, hey, I don't respect that you drive an hour to work, you work and do your thing, and then drive an hour home.
You're not even allowed to take a break.
Like, from his point of view, he's not allowed to even like relax a little bit.
So it's like taking away that respect that he really needs and him taking away the love that she really needs.
I mean, the way that a sense we are wired differently, we need different things.
And I think, I mean, we're just harping on your story.
But I mean, this story is like exactly why that is evident.
And yeah, I mean.
That's why the roles, when you go against your traditional gender roles, that's why it doesn't work.
The traditional sense.
This is why it doesn't work.
It's why it doesn't work.
In that one moment, she emasculated him and became his mother.
And at that moment, essentially, she's trying to take the husband role.
Yeah.
I mean, you were taking the husband role.
I'm going to make the most money.
I'm going to also do the mother lead role and take care of the kids.
So you're essentially taking both roles.
And it's like, there's so many things just out of whack with that relationship.
Yeah, essentially just tearing down the foundation of all of civilization and saying.
And that's what ended it, though, because we came back.
We had two more children.
I was mom pro-max after the first one.
With the second one, I mean, I was happy to do it all.
At that point, we were pretty financially set and I didn't have to work as hard.
And it was wonderful.
It was after the second child was born that things started to surface again because now everybody is potty trained and or in preschool or school.
And now, okay, I'm back.
I have an identity outside of being a mother and mothering these children and being pregnant and breastfeeding.
So I started paying attention to myself again and wanted the relationship to go back to what it was.
And I tried very hard, but I think it was too late.
You know what I think?
It's very hard to have sex with a woman who's disrespecting.
Like, you know, look, I just think, you know, the erection just...
Like, if you just aren't the man in the room.
I just never did that again.
It happened with our first child.
With the second and third child, that's why we had a third child because I was mom pro-max with the two.
Was there a period of erectile dysfunction?
No.
Okay.
I read that wrong then.
Well, look, I don't know.
I think that you told us one scenario that happened.
That was the worst scenario.
There's some other, it probably happened other times too.
Yes.
I guess.
Yeah.
Mississippi River Paddle Wheeler00:03:21
You know what I think?
I think...
I think...
Wait, what's that saying?
It was written on the wall or what?
What is it?
It was doomed to fail.
I mean, yeah, but it's an...
Wait, let me let the TTS come in while I try to gather my thoughts.
I'll donated $200.
I'm disabled in a wheelchair and obese and I get SSI benefits.
This channel has opened my eyes to Me Too and the toxic third wave feminism.
I am actually extremely thankful for that.
Women are absolute trash.
Hey, yo.
Hey, disavow.
Disavow.
Hey, disavow.
I fucking disavow that last sentence.
No, women are not trash.
I like women.
I want to get that out there.
I love women.
Women are great.
I'm attracted to women.
I am not a homosexual.
No.
Neither is Mason.
No, no, no, no.
Look, don't get it twisted.
Like, we're not, no, you should not hate women.
Misogyny, bad.
Yes, yes.
Disavow.
Okay, but yeah, but going off of that, patriarchy, the best.
The best.
It is ideal.
Look, I stayed home for 14 years with my babies as a stay-at-home mom.
Did all the, it is the way to go.
Anybody who says, make me work, there.
I tell you what, that's you're spot on.
It is awesome to be able to, and my husband was a towboat captain, so he was gone every other day.
A tugboat cat.
A towboat.
Tugboat.
Tugs pool.
What's that river in Mississippi?
The Mississippi River.
He was a.
What are those boats on the Mississippi?
The paddle wheels.
He did actually drove one in Memphis.
What do they call it?
Mississippi Queen?
No, the paddle boat.
The steamboat.
It's a paddle boat.
Paddleboat.
Well, I'll tell you what.
And so, even though I was home by myself with a 16-year-old, a two-year-old, and a newborn.
And I remember I looked at him and I said, Do you have to go back to work?
And he said, Do you want to eat?
And I was like, Well, yeah.
He said, So I got to go.
But I did it.
And when he came home, I didn't ask him to do anything.
I took care of everything because I stayed home and he was away from his family.
What is that called?
What are those boats called?
A paddle steamer?
You're talking about like the Natchez and Missippi Queen and ones that you know.
They're paddle boats.
It's a paddle boat.
Paddle wheels called.
But like those boats that.
Wait, hold on.
No, I'm not finding it.
Like those little cute, quaint little with the wheel, but I found like some big ones.
I'm looking for some like smaller ones.
Don't they have some of those on the boat with wheel?
The paddle wheel.
The paddle wheel.
He used to drive the Mississippi.
Paddle steamer.
We were on the Mississippi right there in Memphis on the weekends when we first got married.
But he worked for 25 years of our marriage, gone a month, home a month, and now he is in town working as port captain.
So I bet if you know what?
I bet if you're a captain of a paddle boat, let me tell you what.
You get so much pussy if you're like, forget a Ferrari.
Forget a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.
You got a fucking Mississippi River paddle wheeler.
Captain Gets Lots of Pussy00:15:44
It is funny when we were first married.
You get a lot of pussy.
They'd say, what does your husband do?
And I go, he's a boat captain.
And they would go, is he old?
And I'm like, we're 30.
I mean, no.
I mean, no.
They like picture this March Wayne individual with a little tie.
Indeed.
Indeed.
They sure do.
It's so crazy.
But wait.
So where was I going with all that?
Patriots.
Hold on.
Oh, we got a chat here from Jay Aiken.
Jay Aiken, thank you.
Question for the panel.
What are your reasons for coming on the podcast?
Manson, what the fuck?
Great to see you, brother.
Shout out the Discord gang.
Shout out Discord gang.
Clip it and ship it.
Good stuff, Chief.
We're going to probably get a goddamn good sunset.
I'll tell you what.
Tell you what.
It's going to be like a warm summer day, man.
Let me tell you.
I do declare.
Is this what we're doing now?
I do declare.
I do declare.
Yeah.
Well, let me.
Okay, so back to you.
Back to you.
Okay, hold on.
Wait, your current relationship, you divorced like a year and a half ago.
I separated.
Yes.
A year and a half ago.
But you've been in a relationship for a year, and I was kind of a bit, you know, to be together 20 years and then to just write back.
You're in a new relationship now.
And I don't know.
It's a bit soon.
Like me personally, if I were to, if I was dating a girl for three years, I personally think after I'm done with her, she should go to a nunnery.
I don't think she should ever.
I don't think Once a woman has been with me, I think you know, maybe she should never, even if we're just boyfriend, girlfriend, I think it's just done for her.
She should never wait for me unless they're painting.
She should wait for me just in case I change my mind.
Like, she should just stay chased and wait for me, like, on the cliff.
And every day she goes to the cliff, like I went off on a boat, a steamboat or whatever, paddle boat.
Tears.
Yeah, and she's like, one day he'll be back.
Like, that's how I expect a woman once I break up with her.
But yeah, no, I think a year after 20 years of marriage, it's a little bit, a little bit quick, you know, a little on the quick side.
It is.
However, I think you were taking a break when we discussed this.
Women don't leave a relationship usually until they have tried everything and there is nothing left.
Did you guys do therapy?
We did try.
Did you go to the therapy?
Yeah.
Was it gay?
And no, it was just very post-mortem.
All of the damage had been done.
Did the therapist agree?
Did the therapist agree with you?
That it was done?
Yes.
No, no, no.
Like, you went together or separately?
Together.
So, okay, how many times did you do the couple's therapy?
About two months.
We went to therapy for two months.
Once a week or something?
Yeah, it was once a week.
Okay, so like 10 times or something.
Yeah.
But like, did the therapist say something like, I think this is what you did wrong?
This is, or like, did the therapist side with one of you more than the other?
Not necessarily.
She said, you know, she's cold with you because you're not.
She's telling you she wants you to romance her and you're not doing it.
Why does the man, hold on.
Look, I like, on one hand, maybe this is counter, this is contradictory because I believe in like traditional gender roles or whatever.
But it's like, why has the man got to do that shit?
Like, why does the burden, like, he already got you.
You're already married.
Because I would always plan all the vacations, all the dates, set up all of it.
It's like, all right, we're going out to dinner.
So I would do the whole thing.
Did you ever bring...
And that puts me in a masculine role.
That doesn't want to make me be submissive.
Did you ever do brunch with your husband?
How many times did you force him to do brunch?
Never.
I would cook at home all the time.
You never did brunch?
Outside of the house?
No, with your husband.
You never went to brunch on a Saturday?
Sometimes.
Or a Sunday?
With him?
Sometimes, yeah.
Oh, that's why the relationship.
You wanted...
No, no, no.
Look, men don't want to do brunch.
We very rarely.
You did do brunch, though.
One brunch is enough.
It's like herpes.
You do one brunch, it's like herpes.
You're fucked forever.
Well, what do you mean, brunch?
When you say brunch, like brunch.
Oh, it's like, okay, your poor husband works Monday through Friday.
He commutes for an hour.
He wants his weekends for him.
He doesn't want to do brunch on a Saturday.
He doesn't want to do that.
He doesn't get some fucking $20 omelette.
Men don't want $20 omelets on a Saturday at 11 a.m.
Let the guy fucking rest at home.
You took him to brunch.
You demanded brunch.
You guilt tripped him into brunch.
It's fucked.
As a date, no.
I never did a brunch date.
You did brunch.
Tell me, be honest.
No, to go out because we had to go out.
Did you have brunch?
Did you ever do a brunch?
Breakfast.
It was a brunch.
Breakfast also bad.
It was 9 a.m. 9 a.m. on a fucking Saturday.
What guy did that?
Your husband wants to watch.
I don't know.
Did he like sports?
Was he a sports guy?
Yeah.
Football?
But all of those games, no, all of those games start at like one is the earliest one.
No man, no heterosexual man ever wants to do brunch.
We were never you did brunch?
You admit it, don't walk back to brunch.
You admit it to the brunch.
You won't have to brunch, if you want to call it that.
If it's in nine in the morning, they didn't have, they did not have sandwiches.
It wasn't hors d'oeuvres.
Were there hors d'oeuvres?
Have you ever been somewhere with hors d'oeuvres?
Like a cocktail party, like a wedding?
Yes.
That's acceptable, sort of.
But no, not like a fancy or like a gala.
Was there a gala?
Okay.
Look.
Like a fun one.
You took your, you forced your husband to do brunch.
It was over.
No, bro.
We have brunch every Sunday.
Okay, you got to stop that.
Otherwise, otherwise your 25-year marriage is coming to an end.
But you know what?
I did all the cooking.
I took all of this.
I started doing so much.
I started being that traditional gender role wife because I wanted the marriage.
Do you guys swingers?
Never.
No.
Swinging.
Men didn't be honest.
Never.
Look at me.
Never.
Never.
Do you promise?
You pinky promise.
Hand to God.
I never was unfaithful.
No.
No, that's gross to me.
I can't.
You can't step out like that and come back to the marriage.
That's disgusting.
Question.
What was the typical bedtime for you guys?
That was a challenge.
I was exhausted from doing all of it.
Because now you're adding kids, driving them to, driving them back, making the dinner, going to the grocery store, doing the work.
Yeah.
Doing the dishes.
What time would you guys typically go to bed?
Like, I would fall asleep around 10.
He'd want to channel surf and sometimes he'd fall asleep downstairs.
But no matter what happened, I would always go downstairs to have that closeness with him.
Oh, actually.
So I was exhausted.
I would fall asleep on the couch, but he'd wake me up at like midnight or one, like it's time to go upstairs to go to bed.
Did you ever, as you were, as he was about to fall asleep, did you ever say the following?
Hey, can we talk?
Like right before he's trying to go to bed?
No.
Okay.
You know, that pisses me off so much when I'm like trying to fall asleep and she had all day.
He had all fucking day to say this.
It's like, I'm literally, I'm going into what's it called?
Not REM, but I'm going into that twilight stage.
I'm like about, you ever have those like where you jerk yourself like I'm basically there, right?
But instead of like it just my body doing something retarded, it's my girlfriend doing that.
Instead of like just my body jerking me out, it's my do you want, can we talk?
I'm like, I don't know.
I just don't think women, you got to bring that shit up at 3 p.m.
You can't bring shit.
I don't care how pissed you are.
You stuff that shit deep down as a woman, stuff it down there.
Hopefully, you know, by the time you wake up, you've already, you're just like, eh, whatever.
I don't even care.
Wait for a bet.
Women got to wait for better moments to like bring us shit, you know?
Like, for example, I would tell a girlfriend, like, if it's a Saturday or Sunday, even a Monday, like for the days I do my show, I do my shows on Sundays.
I don't want any friction on a Saturday, the day before, because I'm doing work.
Sunday, absolutely no friction.
Friday, Monday, no friction.
Because I'm not, you want to argue.
Oh, you want to argue?
You're picking up.
I'm going to argue with you.
I'm going to be upset if you bring it to me this day.
I'll still be upset on a Wednesday too, but I'll be a little nicer.
But I don't know.
You guys got to pick your, you got to, women, there's no arguing at her time.
There's no arguing.
There's, there's exchanging ideas.
That's so cope.
But you got to pick, women, you, you pick the worst time.
You got to pick, you got to learn when to take your shot.
You know, if you're like, okay, this is going to be like a two-hour argument, do that shit on a Wednesday at like 3 p.m.
Okay, so if you want us as women to prioritize your sleep, right, and schedule these arguments to appease your schedule.
Yes, you must.
Then why can't the man prioritize by scheduling a couple of date nights so she doesn't feel like she doesn't matter?
It's meeting each other's arms.
You're supposed to date the trigger.
Any married couple that's been married for longer than 30 years will tell you that they always dated each other.
That doesn't mean like, oh, you have to like do all the time.
It's like you can go out once a night.
I mean, once a week.
Dates.
Once a week.
Dates.
Just spend time with each other.
Dates are this like new invention.
It's this new invention that came about recently.
If you go back hundreds of years back in the day, dates are stupid.
Well, no.
I think it should be: look, I'm the man.
Obviously, my life is more stressful than yours.
Don't make my life more stressful.
Don't bring me more problems.
Make my life easier.
And then I'll give you seven children.
That's how it should be.
And if I want to lounge around the house all fucking day, that's how it should be.
It shouldn't be, oh, like I work so hard.
Oh, you want to go see the ballet?
Fuck you.
You want to see the nutcracker?
It is supposed to be the ballet of the nutcracker.
Fuck you.
We're not going on the fucking date.
I will give you seven children.
Yeah, seven children.
You're going to give them to her.
Not the other way around.
Bestow upon her the gift of my seat.
Yeah, she.
You will be pregnant because Google says men can get pregnant now, apparently.
That is true.
That is true.
You will give her.
Even during the pregnancy.
See, it's like, yes, okay, you guys bear the children.
We have to tolerate you while you're pregnant.
That goes, that's a lot of, that is a lot of emotional labor that I don't think women account for.
So I actually think when us men, we do, there's a lot of stuff we that we bear.
We don't get a lot of appreciation for what we go through when y'all are pregnant.
And we go through a lot when you guys are pregnant.
And I do think that, truth be told, I don't know.
There are a lot of people who are in a lot of men.
There is a lot of people who are a lot of men who do go through a lot with a pregnant wife if they're actually like attentive.
Absolutely.
It's a lot because you're taking on someone's empathy.
I mean, truth be told, if I'm, you know, like you guys have cravings when you're pregnant, right?
Like, I get chocolate ice cream.
You want ice cream.
I personally think, you know, say the woman's water just broke, but I'm craving like some cookies or something.
I think she should go before she goes to the hospital.
She should go get me what I'm craving with the water breaking, like right after the water breaking.
I think that that's ideal.
But we do have a chat here from Bob.
Sorry for the delay.
Not gay.
Women just frustrate me on how much standards they want.
Tall guy, 18-figure salary.
What is that?
Like, that's not, I don't even, that's beyond trillion.
Well beyond trillion.
Pisses me the fuck off.
Thank you, ladies, for making me the 40-year-old disabled obese man.
Wait, is he talking about me?
Wait, what?
I don't know.
No, I think it's talking about.
He's a disabled?
Well, Bob, if you feel like given that, Bob, I'm going to have to grift a little bit here.
You 18-figure salary.
We have some champagne bottles that need to be popped.
It's $1,000 to pop a champagne bottle.
And some of those are going to expire soon.
So it's not that I'm even, I'm just looking out for the expiration date on the champagne.
Not that I'm trying to, you know, get money from you or anything.
So if you could just do us a favor.
But okay, so hold on.
Wait, let me, I do need to move things on a little bit off this topic and try to get into some other stuff.
But okay, there's no cheating.
I guess the only other thing I wanted to touch on is you said that women move on quicker.
Yes, because we'll stay in a relationship until I think men will process it maybe like six months after the split up.
That's when it really starts to hit them when you have memories of the stuff you guys did together and it starts to really, really hit you with real life stuff.
But women will stay in a relationship.
When she's like yelling at you and trying to like rile you up, like wake up, like she's in it.
She wants your attention.
She wants it.
When she stops arguing with you and it's calm, it's not peace.
It's indifference.
I'm done with it.
I'm about to leave.
She's already looking for your replacement.
I could have sworn, though, that I heard somebody say that women take breakups harder.
I said that.
I said, well, not like, oh, we take it harder, but more like, I feel like men are quicker to like go fuck somebody sooner than a woman.
I think a woman will absolutely find an emotional attachment sooner, but I think a dude is more likely to be like, okay, well, like, I got the hookup quicker than a female.
Evolutionary Psychology War Brides00:03:17
I don't know about that.
It's more emotional for a female physically.
I don't know about the hookup, but like in just in terms of who gets over the breakup sooner, do you think it's men or women?
Like as far as moving on to a relationship, then you're not going to be able to do that.
No, no, no, not.
Okay, here's the situation.
Man and woman break up.
Neither of them date anybody else for a period of a year.
Who is like finding it more difficult to get over the breakup?
In my experience, men.
Men get over it.
Is that yes?
Men take a longer time to move on.
No, that's a different answer than her, though.
She disagrees.
She thinks move on faster.
What do you think?
I think women move on faster.
Women move on.
What do you think?
I also think women move on a lot faster.
Yeah.
Well, I do think I agree with them that women tend to get over a breakup faster.
This doesn't necessarily imply that they're dating someone faster or sleeping with someone faster.
I'm not making commentary on that.
I'm commentating on the lack of emotional impact that the breakup does have.
I do think, and this might seem like kind of a fucked up thing, and this perhaps is purely theoretical, but in evolutionary, I believe it's like evolutionary psychology, there's this concept called war brides.
So I think one of the reasons that at least it could theoretically be explained why women have less of a like they take breakups easier, like they get over it sooner, is there's an evolutionary basis for it.
So, and I'm not saying this is a good thing, like this is terrible.
Like if you were conquering another tribe, another group, you'd kill the men and you'd take the women for fucking war brides.
Like that they're your prize.
Prize, basically.
Like, so I think there's a component of because women, like, I'm not even articulating this properly, but because this is like a phenomenon that women experience throughout humanity, that it's like, okay, if our tribe gets conquered, I'm not going to be put to the sword.
I'm just going to be like the new, the fucking warlords fucking strumpet, or I don't know, whatever.
Because we're looking for the security, because that's what it is.
I think there's something to that.
I mean, I'm looking, this is like tens of thousands of years back.
You know, this has been a phenomenon where, okay, you have a tribe of 300 people warring with 300 people.
One of the tribes gets conquered.
They're going to kill all the men.
And all those women are going.
So you have to like, you could either just be like, oh, fuck, like, be all sad about it.
Or it's like, okay, well, I'm part of this new tribe now.
I have a new man now, whether consensually or not.
Again, that's a terrible fucking thing that happened historically.
I'm not saying it's good, but I do think that that could be an explanation, but it also could be it's just a theory.
Joining a New Tribe Quickly00:15:26
Okay.
So there is that.
Imagine if there's just like conquering women who like just killed all the dudes and then we're just like, well, we're going to fuck you now.
Oh, my gosh.
That'd be fucking crazy, bro.
All right.
I don't know.
Here, relationship status.
Relationship status.
Yeah, single as a Pringle.
So, Mason, you were, last time you were on, you were in a relationship.
Oh, yeah.
So, I mean, are you at liberty to speak about what happened there?
No, I am in prison to not be able to speak about it.
No, I can definitely speak about it.
Yeah, I mean, we were dating at the time.
And, I mean, she was there with me in the initial stages of my accident.
So, like, there's definite credit there.
I mean, she was there at my bedside when I was in a coma.
Incredible.
But after a while, before I got my colostomy bag removed, I just like talked to my pastors, other biblical men in my life and consulted with them on a few things.
And they just determined needed to end.
So it had to be cut down.
How long was your relationship?
How long was it?
September.
Eight months.
And how long after did you start seeing someone?
Or how did that started?
Okay.
Yeah.
No, I, yeah.
I do not date someone until I'm pretty well over it.
And I mean, I am over it.
Like, I'm not still pining away for her.
But, yeah.
And I'm also a really picky dude.
Yeah.
So it takes me a while to find somebody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So still single.
Wait, so why did you guys split up?
Yeah, what were the reasons your pastors and you decided that it was yeah, so the elders of my church, I sat down with them and I mean, it was even like a, there were a few FaceTime calls that it had between her, myself, and elders of my church.
But I don't really want to get into the details of that, but it was determined and needed to end.
Okay.
Was it a religious reason?
I mean, I feel like everything technically within the scope of a church is a religious reason.
But yeah.
Are you yes?
No, no, no.
You said elders, so that's why I just said.
No, elders.
I mean, I'm part of like a, um, our church has plurality of elders.
So there's like a bunch of guys in our church who are like, they're the ones who leave the church.
Now, this was, and I mean, um, I'm blanking.
I'm actually blanking on her name.
Um, but she was on the show previously.
Yes.
She, and you both came on the show.
Correct.
Uh, this was not long after you kind of recovered from the accident, but still actually in somewhat of a recovery.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I still have my classmate bag.
Yes.
Wait, still?
I still had it at the time.
Yeah.
But now you don't have to.
No, no, I, go to the bathroom the regular way.
Yeah, yeah, yes.
Um so wait, wait, wait.
And like, but are you guys on good terms or did it end kind of bad?
Or?
No, yeah, yeah.
Like, it was, it ended on good terms.
Yeah.
Are you friends?
I don't do friendships after like you.
Yeah, I don't do that.
I cut it off.
It's, I mean, I, I, I'm praying like she's chasing the Lord.
She's at part of a good local church.
She's growing.
But uh, I were you guys engaged?
No.
No.
We were not.
Wait, question.
So, Mason, you were a virgin.
Um, are you still a virgin?
Indeed.
Okay, okay, good.
No, she did not take that from you.
She did not take because, yeah, you were, you were, you, when you first came on, you were in your way.
You're 30 now, or how old are you?
Uh, turning 30 on the 19th.
Oh, shit.
Meeting Hayden Christensen.
Share her birthday.
Oh, wow.
Is that a deal breaker for you?
Yeah.
You also need to.
No, no, no, no.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, Mason.
I forgot.
I forgot.
Once already.
You fucked up once already, Mason.
It's a deal breaker now, motherfucker.
Hold on, let me say this shit, bro.
Okay.
I forgot.
Wait, can I be can I talk about it?
Just go for it.
Do your thing.
All right.
So, like.
Free speech.
Did I just when you guys, okay, okay, okay.
When you guys first started dating, did I tell you?
What did I tell you, Mason?
I don't remember what you told me.
A lot of people told me stuff.
You know what, though?
Look, I want to be okay.
Can I be honest?
Honesty.
And look, I don't know that girl very well.
Fair.
She's been on the show a couple times.
She stood by you with the whole thing.
The whole thing.
I think like when you, this was like when you went on one date with her.
I think you had been on the show and we were talking after a show or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I think I said, like, hey, man, she's like, like, there's nothing wrong with her, but I was like, I don't know if it's a good fit.
And I think I told you that.
But you didn't, you did not heed my warning.
By the way, just to be clear, I'm not like trying to, she's been on the show.
She's a nice girl.
I'm not, I don't really even know her that well.
There's, as far as I know, there's nothing like, I don't know anything bad about her, but I just don't think it was the fit.
And I, I gotta be honest.
I think people in the chat know who we're talking about.
I mean, she was on the show with you.
Like, she was on the show.
But there's probably viewers who, yeah, they're not watching everything.
I swore I fucking told you that she was a feminist, if I recall.
And like, I swore I told you.
But like, and but here's the thing: tell me.
I was in a bad, I wanted to, like, I wanted to be like, yo, I don't know if this is the girl.
Like, down the road, because when we first talked about it, I felt like it was fair game because you would just, like, you went on a long date with her.
But then she was your girlfriend.
Yes, and she stood by you when all that shit went down exactly.
But there was a part of me that wanted to be like careful, Mason.
I don't know about this.
So that's why, that's why I like included.
I mean, maybe I did kind of heed your warning.
Because I mean, that's why I included so many of those elders of my church of the godly men.
Because when I look at a pretty lady, like, I can't, I can, I tell myself everything I need to hear in order to keep things working.
So, but that's why I include all those guys in my in the situation.
I tell them everything just so like they can make the rational decisions, they tell me what those should be, and then like, I'm like, okay, this is my pastor talking to me, this is the elder of my church, uh, he probably has a little more understanding experience than I do.
Um, and I weigh that out, I mean, and the decision was made, and they heated with you, Brian.
Yeah, but like, I once somebody's deep enough in a relationship, like because I don't know if Alexa is gonna see this or whatever.
Like, like, I while you were like actually dating her, I never said anything about it.
Like, I want to make that clear because some people might be like, Whoa, he was trying to like ruin the relationship or something.
There was not at all, there was one conversation we had when you had just been on like one date with her, and I was like, I don't know, you know, and but then once she like, but I'll know when she came on that show, I was like, bro, she's a feminist.
Like, I'm sorry, dude.
When she came on the show with you, I was like, oh man, she's a feminist, like, dude, she's conservative, but she's a feminist.
And I was like, I think that's an oxymoron.
But well, a lot of these conservative women are covert feminists.
Yeah, they're covert feminists for sure.
But, like, obviously, your relationship with her having her for so long, like, me and you, we're like, I don't know if we'd call each other friends.
Like, dang, it hurts my heart.
No, but I mean, we're not like hanging out.
No, we're more like acquainted.
Like, I like you.
You're a great guy.
Indeed.
No.
Whoa, don't look at me that way.
Not like that.
Not like that.
But I don't know.
So, but once you were deep enough, I felt like it wasn't my place to say anything.
But so she cheated on you?
Oh, no.
Did she cheat on you?
What happened?
I don't have no clue about that.
No, I don't think so.
No.
But so what?
What I'm not going to go into that.
Okay, okay, okay.
I don't fucking know.
No, what came about is walking through the things with my pastors, they were like, okay, Mason, this needs to end.
That was a question.
Just to be clear to the viewers, there was a question.
There was a question mark.
I wasn't stating that as a fact.
I was asking if there was cheating.
No.
Okay, so this is like an alignment thing for you.
Well, so let me just say.
Okay, say one of the reasons I she, I think you guys were the same age, right?
About this.
Yeah, yeah.
Mason's a virgin.
Indeed.
You never had a girlfriend too, right?
No, I've had a few girlfriends.
Oh, a few girlfriends, but okay, you're a virgin.
Yes.
And she was not a virgin.
She's not.
She's not.
She had more dating experience than him.
It cannot work when the woman is more sexually or like dating related more experienced than the guy.
It cannot work.
Unequally yoke.
It just can't work.
I like the phrasing.
And look, Mason, but bro, because even before you got linked up with Alexa, by the way, look, if she's watching this, Alexa, I'm not trying to throw shade.
I got no beef with you.
Don't hate me.
We're cool.
I hope.
I don't know.
But no, no, but this isn't even about Alexa.
I told you, like, I'm.
This has been from day one.
Do you see that down there?
I he's the chat.
I told him, I told Mason, and bro, you didn't heed my fucking.
I told him, if you any girl, got to come through me first before they get to you.
Like, you did say that.
No, I remember, chat.
Remember, I told them.
I was like, if you want to deal with Mason, let I got a vet.
This is my boy.
We are friends, actually.
This is my boy, Mason.
Dog.
So do you feel like, like.
That's my homie dog.
Girl, you trying to fall, dude?
So the only way it'll work for him then is if she's also a virgin?
Because you're saying a girl's more experienced, which I can understand, but like his experience is zero.
So if she's got one, it can't work.
Well, very strong preference for virgin.
Agreed.
But extenuating circumstances can apply.
But I'll say this.
So you, but just to be clear, you did not have carnal knowledge.
No, I did not have carnal knowledge.
No form.
No form.
Not like a Bill Clinton.
No form.
Was there a Bill Clinton?
No, come on.
No.
Okay, okay.
No carnal knowledge.
From now on, Mason.
And I fucking said this shit before.
Here, I'm fucking drafting up a contract.
I'm going to draft up.
Okay, it's just going to be an X, and you're going to have to do it.
So from now on, Mason, you're a virgin.
Yes, I am.
I tried to warn you, dude, about.
So from now on, Mason, your dick is my dick.
I am your dick.
I am your dick escort.
All dick decisions got to come through me.
I got veto power.
I'm the president.
I'm the dictator.
I got vagina veto power.
This is like the mafia, the muff mafia.
I'm your consiglieri.
Like we're the Italian mafia, okay?
I'm the dick doctor.
The muffin.
Hold on, bye-bye.
I am the muff maestro.
Oh, I thought you were going somewhere else.
I am the peen protector, the vagina virtuoso.
And I'm going to get you to the fucking holy land, Mason.
Okay.
So, ladies, if you want to get to Mason, you got to come through me.
Now, Mason, being the naive young lad that he is at 30, he may not know how to spot a trifling hoe.
But I do.
Trust me, I do.
So if any of you born-again virgin Christian thoughts think you got a shot, no?
No.
So, Mason.
Yes, okay.
Before you, I know you get a lot of women sliding into your DMs because double buy.
Show them the double buy though.
Double buy.
Show them.
You were supposed to wear the blink 182 show.
I have it in my bag.
He's a good looking.
Oh, well.
Okay.
Look, Mason's a good-looking guy.
He's Christian.
He's hold on.
Wait, Mason, let me list your positive characteristics.
Okay, go for it.
Do it, Brian.
He's handsome.
He's tall.
He's insanely fit.
Top 1% physique.
He's intelligent.
What was your degree in or whatever?
Mechanical engineering.
Yeah.
He doesn't have any VD, venereal disease, as far as I know.
That's a plus, I think.
Given he's a virgin.
Winning.
He's not a man whore or a fuckboy.
He's a virgin.
Yes, indeed.
He's a true, God-fearing Christian man.
He's virtuous and a good person.
Therefore, we are getting you a beautiful 19-year-old brown-haired blue-eyed virgin who will give you seven sons.
So ladies, if you've been cracked before, don't bother.
Now, in all of my goodwill and charity and gent.
Hold on, I got to repeat it because it wasn't on me.
Fair.
Tiffany.
Ghost stands in the corner.
Time out for you, Tiffany.
In all of my goodwill, charity, and generosity, we will accept damaged goods under certain conditions.
Now, any women with more than one body count, you're welcome to come my way.
Now, Mason, I'm not asking for payment, but I do get to be the best man at your wedding.
Okay, okay.
I also claim the right to prima nocta.
Just kidding, unless you're down.
Just kidding.
You get to baptize his first son.
Accepting Damaged Goods00:05:48
Now, listen, fucker.
Listen, Mason.
I'm getting you a fucking chastity belt.
You are?
Okay.
This guy, this guy didn't listen to me.
He didn't listen to me.
You wasted your youth.
Your fertile years, Mason.
Yes, I did.
Anyway.
Ladies, Mason is single, though.
You can DM him, but I'm going to read those DMs.
I'm going to actually, Mason, you're not going to...
You're going to send them a questionnaire.
I have a girlfriend application that I use for myself that you could use.
It's like a hundred bullet points of questions.
I'm not even joking.
It's ridiculous.
It's so fucking good, though.
I should sell this thing.
It's so good.
It's so good.
I've painstakingly.
Anyways, I'm just saying, Mason.
Yes.
The next girl you date has to be a virgin.
Okay.
Has to be a virgin.
Bro, you're...
Bro, you got too many good positive characteristics.
You don't got to settle for some girl who's fucked 10 guys?
What the hell?
Do you live in LA or Southern California?
I do.
That's the problem.
You're telling me.
You need to come to the South.
Yep.
Oh, I tried to go to the South.
Oh, I tried to go to the South.
It's just different problems you find there.
Oh, yeah.
Anyways.
Anyways, look.
No shade to Alexa, though.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying you need like a proper trad, Christian, conservative, virgin woman.
What's your type?
White?
Oh, goodness gracious.
What is my type?
I look for...
I don't have like an ethnicity preference.
Okay, we're going to get you a white woman with blue eyes.
No, she has to.
The one strict thing I like, this has to be there.
I mean, obviously she has to be a Christian.
She has to be going to church.
That's unspoken.
That has to be there.
She has to be a gym goer.
If she's not a gym goer, it's not going to happen.
You know what we need to do, Mason?
Tell me.
You are blocking Kiki from the center shot.
Can you turn Kiki so she's more in the corner?
I was thinking about that earlier.
Like, yeah, she's not in the shot.
I just realized.
That's fucked up.
This fucking baby's getting all the...
She's getting all the actions.
Yeah, you might have to stand up to move her, Mason.
I don't even.
Okay.
Yeah, just scooter that way a little bit.
All right.
Yeah, there we go.
Anyways, I need to bring some of the other women on the panel.
I gotta, you know.
But look, ladies.
Ladies.
He does not miss a glue day.
Ladies.
Ladies.
But look, Mason.
Yes.
No more.
Okay, no.
Bro, before you even go on the first date with a girl, you come to me.
Of course.
I'm going to go on the date with you, actually.
Really?
I'm going to be your chaperone.
Fair enough.
You need a chaperone, Mason.
Because you've...
Look, I'm going to be honest, Mason.
Okay, tell me.
That's what I'm getting.
Your track record hasn't been great lately.
You need a chaperone.
I need the chaperone.
I'm going to be Mason's chaperone.
And bro, just move to Santa Barbara.
I'll get you.
Fair enough.
Move to Santa Barbara.
I'll hire you.
Yeah.
Mason's going to work for me.
I'm going to be your chaperone, though.
I'm going to go on the dates with you.
And maybe we'll do double dates.
You know?
She can bring her slutty older sister or something.
I'll take one for the team.
But look, Mason, you look.
Oh my God.
What's that Bible verse?
Sons in a man's youth are like arrows in a quiver.
Yes.
It is good for the quiver to be full.
That's not the verse, but I pictured that so bad.
You're pretty close.
I had the essence of it.
You had the essence of it.
You want more arrows in the quiver than not arrows.
Yes.
And those are children.
I'm just saying, bro.
I'm just saying.
Yeah.
Lee sold me, Brian.
Okay.
Is anyone else.
I'm just amazed he is a virgin.
He is a virgin.
I mean, I'm not.
You look like a total F-boy.
Oh, I know.
That was the first impression I saw.
Okay, so I have to tell you the stash doesn't.
Well, I have to have the stash because I'm trying to go on fire.
You gotta have it.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so I had like a glow up, like mid-college.
Like, I was not a good-looking dude first few years of college, like when I was a kid, like all of that.
I was not a fantastic-looking dude.
But somehow.
Go get, Mason, go get your Blink 182.
Go get Blink 182.
How many women go to engineering school?
Oh, not many.
Not many.
But once I, like the last two years of college, that's when I started to get a lot of people.
That didn't help.
You know, it's like a what, 10 to 1 ratio or something like that.
It did not help at all.
Okay, I'll grab myself.
My mama heart was kind of like, oh, I know.
Because that's, you know.
You never hear the age of like my oldest daughter's 31.
Like, I just kind of blows my mind.
He did not heed.
I had a line waiting outside the door of virgin women for this man.
And he threw it all away.
He threw it all away.
Oh, goodness, crazy.
Are there virgin dating apps because he hates to go on it?
Religious Circumstances and Whipping00:07:07
There isn't.
But how would they bet it?
Mason, in your religion, do you do self-flagellation?
Do you know what that is?
Isn't that a thing?
Like, don't some Catholics do that?
The self-possibly.
Wait, do what is the...
Do Catholics do self-flagellation?
Heavily discouraged.
I thought there was...
Am I just making shit up?
I don't know, Mason.
I think you need to get whipped a little bit.
Not by a woman, but like a literal whip.
Oh, oh, oh, you mean that?
Yes.
For your trespasses.
Like a self.
Didn't they used to do that back in?
There's some people that actually still do that.
The flagellates?
Is that a thing?
Could be.
There, see, he should have been wearing the flat flagellates.
What is that?
I haven't even done the fucking intro.
All right, let me do the introduction.
Goodness gracious.
We're going to get into this.
And then we're going to get into this.
Let me get into it.
And then we'll get into some stuff here.
Okay, we did war brides.
We did that.
We did that.
You know what?
Before the intro, let me just do one more topic, then I'll actually do it.
You're LDS Mormon.
But you do only fans.
Yes.
Okay.
Explain.
Well, I know that I'm not supposed to, and it's definitely against my religion, but I started due to unfortunate circumstances.
What?
Well, me and my husband moved here and from Utah and he had a business and he got sick, right?
So he can no longer work.
And our apartment's very expensive.
And it came down to losing the place where we live or start making quick money.
So I started doing things to make fast money.
Go on.
That's it.
That's it?
That's all you have to say?
Yeah.
Okay, so how long ago was this?
I started probably three, four months ago.
Oh, three, four months ago.
Yeah.
Plus, this is new.
New, yeah, very new.
Okay, have you made the money, I guess, from doing it?
Well, yeah, I make money, but the money is not.
Wait, didn't you?
Wait, didn't you say you've been doing OF for like two years?
I'm confused.
No, she said.
Perhaps I got it confused then.
No, very new.
I started basically when I came here, we always wanted to move to LA and we well, he has a business in Utah that finally like started to stabilize.
But once he's still sick and we can't figure doctors don't know what it is, nobody knows what it is.
And he's like struggling.
He can't really do anything anymore.
So I just, I don't know.
I guess there's definitely other things I could have done, but my rent's really expensive and we have an extravagant lifestyle.
Well, why didn't it occur to you as a first step to pull back on the extravagant lifestyle?
Well, that would make us sell the car.
Well, him, because it's his car.
He would have to like sell the car, the place where we live, and there's also debt.
So there's not much, I mean, we could do.
We could get a new place, but it is expensive and hard to find places in LA that are also safe to now.
LDS, although, I mean, I think some of the main mainline denominations would probably object to this, but LDS is, at least as far as how they view themselves, is Christianity.
Similar, yeah.
Well, it is, from their perspective, they're Christians.
Yeah, they do claim Christianity a lot.
Well, I mean, they are Christians from their perspective.
But, I mean, and then, so you draw from the Bible, you draw also, there's the, you know, the specific LDS components of the faith.
My understanding, though, is that it's completely incompatible with the religion is sex work.
Yes.
So I assume you guys don't take the religion, you're like nominal Mormons at best, right?
I mean, I'm culturally Mormon.
Well, do you go to church?
Yes, we do go to church.
Obviously, I don't publicly tell anyone there what I do for work.
Both of our families are also Mormon.
Yeah.
Do they know?
No, they don't know.
You're on a podcast.
So here, look into this camera.
Look into this camera right here.
Tiffany, you got it.
Hello?
Say hi, mom.
Hi, mom.
Hi, Dad.
Hi, Dad.
Hi, brother.
Hi, brother.
Hi, stepbrother.
Hi, stepbrother.
Okay, that was weird that you just did that.
But just kidding.
Yeah.
It's just incompatible.
Yeah, I understand that.
But, I mean, we believe we were taught that way to be Mormon, and we met from our families and stuff like that.
But I also drank.
He drinks too.
And you're not supposed to, like, drink or do certain.
No, no drugs.
No.
No, no, no.
But I mean, couldn't you, you're from Utah?
Uh-huh.
I mean, couldn't you move back home?
You were 19, right?
So it's not like such a bad thing.
I don't know if you're on good terms with your parents or.
Sort of.
They don't know that you do OF?
No.
They do not.
But my parents, I moved out when I was like 17.
So for me to move back with them would be kind of crazy.
They're also separated.
Oh, your parents are divorced?
They were never.
Oh, they were never together.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then his parents?
They are married.
When you and you moved to California when?
Three, four months ago.
Three, four.
Tattoos and Research Buckets00:07:06
When did your husband have his health issue?
So probably just a little bit after we got here.
I don't even think...
I think...
So I remember we were about to pay rent and then all of this started coming up, issues where he got extremely sick.
It was hospital, like ER visits, like every single night.
If he eats, his body starts turning on him.
It's extreme, like we have to go do MRIs and go to the ER consistently, doctor visits, and there's lots of issues there.
Okay, well, I mean, really the only thing I can tell you is that it is inconsistent, incompatible with Christianity or even Mormonism, LDS.
You seem to be aware of that, though.
Yeah, I am.
There's really not much else to, I guess, say on the topic.
I'm curious about some of your tattoos, though.
What's the tattoo that you have on the sternum?
My chest.
No, like kind of on the belly, I guess.
It says deadly or pretty poison.
It says pretty poison.
Pretty poison.
And then you have a.
A butterfly.
Multiple butterflies?
I can't tell.
No, it's just one with like flowering.
Oh, I see the flowering.
Yeah.
When did you get those?
I got these, I think, all under 18.
My tattoos.
I got them when I was younger.
Probably 17.
Pretty poison.
What does pretty poison mean?
I don't know.
I just found it on Pinterest.
I was 17.
It was just a Pinterest.
Yes.
It wasn't like, I'm so beautiful, but I'm toxic.
No, I...
It wasn't that?
No, I found it on Pinterest, actually, all my tattoos.
And I regret all of them.
I wish I could get rid of them all, but I'm not there yet.
Were you drinking?
I don't think I was drinking when I got it, but I just kind of, I would see people with tattoos.
And I was 17, just moved away, and I was kind of doing, like, just figuring out that, oh, wait, now I'm an adult.
I can do whatever I want, so I decided to get a bunch of tattoos.
You know, I saw something interesting on this.
Hey, Tiffany, pull up the Discord, go into the research infographics.
It's kind of towards the bottom, the research bucket, the research bucket.
There's an infographics.
It's going to be the very first one.
Apparently, I found some really interesting statistics that Tiffany's about to pull up.
So this is showing, this is about tattoos.
So this is like the year ranges is when the person was born.
So if you look at people born like 1925, 1960, so blue is male, black, gray, or whatever is female.
Or I guess it is black, the actual line.
So for the older generations, men got more tattoos.
If you were born 1961 to 1980, it's kind of about equivalent.
Although actually, no, no, yeah, the wait, hold on.
Wait, the age.
Does this wait?
I'm hold on.
Because for the 1961 to 1980, it looks like at the top peak of the age.
Yeah, so like eventually.
At the time they got the tattoo?
Wait, I'm confused, actually, by this.
But yeah, go ahead.
Well, it's so it looks like men initially would get more tattoos than women, but women would eventually catch up to them eventually once they got to like, say, like later in their 50s.
But does that mean that the women are getting the tattoos later in their 60s?
No.
I guess like we start to see an uptick around 40.
That's when it starts to catch up to men.
Or, well, no, actually, the female graph looks very...
Wait, well, no, no, no, don't go that way.
Don't go that way.
Go that way.
Go that way.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
No, the middle line shows like female tendency is linear.
So like there's like a very consistent change.
But then the male graph is more logarithmic.
So eventually, like, it looks like men would get tattoos sooner, and then it eventually equals out to.
Is this just like this?
It would seem this is a bit confusing in the sense that it's like they hit 18 and then it kind of plateaus up depending on what generation you're in.
And there's way more women now when they hit 18 in the generation of 81 to 2004 getting tattoos than there are men.
That's what it looks like to me.
Well, so I understand like the final reading.
Like for example, 1981 to 2004, more women are getting tattoos than there are men.
But I'm trying to make, I'm trying to understand what it means.
Oh, wait.
Okay, so the age, say the age is.
There's a possibility that you're going to find somebody who has a tattoo.
That's what I'm writing.
Oh, okay.
So wait.
So if people at this table have a tattoo, because like a born or between those time periods, it's a little bit confusing, or maybe I'm retarded.
Fair enough.
So different by culturally, too.
By culture.
No, like by, yeah, like, well, I'm wondering, like, if the cultures, like, for instance, Polynesians, tattoos is like a rite of passage.
Like, you will get tattoos very young, like, women and men.
Like, they mean certain things.
Like, yeah, but like, but I'm wondering if they did this in America.
I'm wondering if they took these statistics in America.
It's probably the U.S. That's what I'm guessing.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, but like, even if it was like, If it was like Polynesian American or it was like world statistics, I don't think that's the Polynesian and black cultures, tattooing is a part of like tattooing is part of black culture.
Yeah, if you go to, yeah, if you look at the tattoos are part of all that's alright, like not tattooing, but like, you know, they have like scarring and things like that.
That was part of like African, I'm half black.
Well, I mean, I would say I lived in North Africa for four years.
I mean, I would say that tattooing, if we're doing a comparison between like black Americans and white Americans, it being part of the culture, I would say, is pretty.
Well, I corrected myself on like the black part because that was more like scarring and things like that.
In any case, though, women are getting women are getting more tattoos than men.
For sure.
And L?
It's a pretty big L.
No offense.
That's sexy.
No offense.
Hey, look.
I regret them.
What's that?
I regret them.
You regret them, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I don't know.
I don't know why I brought that.
You have a tattoo too.
Blackout Tattoo Meanings00:15:51
Is that your ex?
No, this is my brother who just passed.
Oh, your brother passed too?
Shit.
Yeah, and I'll be right back.
Your brother and your ex.
Damn, that's crazy.
Well, sorry to hear that.
Do you have tattoos?
I do.
Really?
And I got them when I was in my 40s.
You would never see it.
Like, they're what?
I know.
You would never see them, though.
They're for me.
Are like rib tattoo or something?
There's one right here.
Okay, you have a cross.
Small.
All right.
I have a small one on my foot.
Okay.
And then I have a real small one right here.
A tramp stand.
It's not.
Dang.
Is it on your lower back?
It is not on my lower back.
Oh, it's on your side.
Yeah, it's like right here.
On your back, but not in the center.
Yeah, no, not like 1994 over your rear end.
The tribal tattoo.
No, no, no.
Okay.
It's not like that.
What is the negative of like women having tattoos, though?
Like in a man's opinion?
In a man's opinion?
Yeah.
I would probably say when I see a woman who has tattoos, it generally suggests to me that she makes permanent decisions off of how she feels in the moment.
Like, I feel like I really want to get this tattoo right now because I just really feel it.
I'm going to get that tattoo.
Mine very much means that you're not going to be able to do that.
Okay, well, I'm not saying that yours don't mean something to you.
I'm just saying that that is generally what happens.
Oh, I agree.
Yeah.
And so when I see a woman with tattoos, I see that she makes illogical decisions in the moment based off of her emotions.
And it's a permanent decision.
Like, you can't take that away.
She didn't think through that.
And she doesn't have people in her life that help her think through those things.
So that's a pretty big red flag to me.
Are not all permanent decisions made from emotion, though?
Like, when you get married, which I assume that I take that as a permanent decision, you are acting out of emotion because you love this person.
You align with this person.
So you're making permanent decisions.
Technically speaking.
There are plenty of relationships I've been in that if I would have made the emotional decision, I'd probably be married today.
But I put those emotions aside and made the, I think, right and logical decision by putting my emotions aside and making the hard choice to not continue with the relationship.
So you're saying that logic and emotion don't ever play hand in hand when you're making a permanent decision?
Well, no, no, no.
So I think emotions are essentially like a temperature gauge.
I think emotions are good.
God gave us emotions for a very knowledgeable reason.
However, if you base your decisions primarily off of emotion, then that leaves you making terrible decisions.
It makes like a, yeah, I mean, some of the most egregious atrocities in history were made by emotional decisions.
So, but so it's a emotion can be a temperature stick.
Why do I feel this way?
And making that evaluation into coming to a correct conclusion, I think that is correct.
But if your emotions are being wild and then you make an illogical decision based off of them, that means you prioritize your decision-making using emotions versus making a rational decision.
Here, also, I do want to add, I think you're asking, was it you who was asking why the tattoo says something bad?
Yes.
Yeah, so I mean, I would say that the graffiti, if you see graffiti, it lets you know you're in a bad neighborhood.
Yeah.
Not all.
Tiffany loves that, by the way, because she has tattoos.
So I'm basically talking shit about it there, I guess.
But just kidding, Tiffany, love you.
But in a platonic work sort of way.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it's like, I think it displays a lack of long-term thinking, which can be associated with sort of other risk-taking behaviors.
And even if it's not rational, like, for example, logically it's possible that a woman could be fully covered in tattoos and she could be a virgin.
She could have never done drugs ever.
She could have never had a sip of alcohol.
She could be like a highly virtuous person.
But my just maybe it's bullshit.
Maybe it's not.
Maybe it's just reading me.
Maybe judging a book by its cover.
But when I see a woman who's tattooed, especially heavily tattooed, I tend to make assumptions.
There's a heavy correlation between the two.
And so not a causation, but a heavy correlation.
So I tend to think she's probably sexually promiscuous, probably into drugs, probably into drinking, probably has mental illness, probably has issues.
That's my now, to be clear, the tattoo you showed me on your wrist.
No, no, no.
I don't think that communicates that, not because of the symbol necessarily, but like it's small.
The wrist is like.
And the thing is, like, you purposely got them in places where people aren't going to be seeing them.
Because I don't want to go for a job and it costs me a job because, you know, like you have to be rational about it.
And if it means something to you, then it really doesn't matter where you put it if it's for you and not for everybody else to look at.
And I can understand like what you're saying, like placement can matter depending on job and stuff.
But like, you know, for instance, I'm in an industry where that doesn't matter.
What's the industry?
Like, like health and wellness.
Like, I do, because I do massage therapy.
I do holistic health.
So it's very independent.
And I work either.
I think it still wouldn't matter, honestly.
I mean, it's never going to be a problem.
Well, no, like, it's not going to inhibit you from having a job.
Well, I'll tell you this much.
Like, if I'm looking online and I'm trying to get a massage or something, and I'm like looking at three different providers and one of them is super clean cut and has no tattoos versus I see somebody who does have tattoos, I'm going to pick the person who has no tattoos.
So you're just prejudiced?
Okay, that's fine.
I don't know if it's more of like a subconscious.
Sure.
I'm just saying, like, you know, I'm not saying that you're wrong.
You can have whatever you're talking about.
Sure, if you want to label it a prejudice, I'll accept this.
And certain prejudices are granted, though.
Like, if I saw a guy in here walk, he walked in the door and he has a swastika on, I'm going to be somewhat prejudiced towards him.
I don't think so.
Obviously not saying that tattoos are swastikas.
Some are, but, you know.
If I look at the sex offender registry, I'm going to have prejudice.
I'm going to have somewhere prejudice.
That's preference, not prejudice.
Well, she's saying it's prejudice.
Well, when you're saying that.
Well, no, it's prejudging somebody based on something.
Yeah, so it's when you're saying you wouldn't.
Yeah, exactly.
And I'm not saying like that in a native way.
Like everyone can have their prejudgments.
That's fine.
But I just mean like, for instance, like you said, you know, because I have a flower on my arm, you're going to choose somebody else just because I have this tattoo.
Yeah, well, I guess let me clarify a little bit.
So I wasn't necessarily saying the degree of tattoos you have, but when I was giving that example of like the guy who's clean cut with no tattoos, I'm thinking perhaps more tattoos than you.
That's clearly.
Like for example, let me put it like this.
If I saw you or I saw a massage therapist who had like a tattoo here and a tattoo on the forearm, and like I wouldn't not get a tattoo with them or excuse me, I wouldn't not get a massage with them because of that.
But let's say they had like full sleeves.
Yeah, and like maybe a face tattoo, neck tattoo.
I might, even if they were the only option for a massage, and I mean, there's quite a lot of providers in a medium-sized city, but I'd probably like have some apprehension getting a massage from them.
Well, that's more.
But if it was a choice between a clean-cut person, whether it's a man or a woman, versus a man or a woman with tattoos, like full sleeves and neck tattoo or something, I would probably pick the clean-cut person.
Well, that's more where I was like trying to get to the bottom of like understanding like, okay, so is it like someone, like even with the dating and stuff, right?
Are you talking about someone that's fully yadded or just because like they have a couple tattoos?
Because I have six, right?
But they're all, at least four of them are dedicated to, you know, people who I've lost who mean something to me.
And then two are just like my birth flower and then because I like to surf.
You know what I mean?
Like that's where I was kind of understanding like, okay, so where are you deciding like, okay, this person has terrible judgment this night because they have a couple tattoos that mean something to them?
Or are you saying like you said we're no offense, but like she just saw something on Pinterest is like, fuck it, I'm gonna get this.
Like, you know what I understand what I'm saying?
No, I get what you're saying, but it's still like, I'm gonna mark up my body with this permanent like marking.
Like, I don't know.
I just don't see the forward thinking, like, future knowledge in that.
I'm not saying that, like, because you have your tattoos, you're going to hell.
No, no, I'm just, I'm saying, like, there's, and, like, a lot of these thoughts aren't really, like, conscious.
It's a lot of subconscious stuff.
So, like, why does someone get a tattoo?
Like, I would probably assume and probably be correct in my assumption that the people who get tattoos aren't consciously thinking, okay, I'm a degenerate person, therefore I must go get tattoos because I'm short-sighted and blah, blah, blah.
No.
I'm thinking that, like, what motivates them to get those tattoos to become not a skin virgin is they have these subconscious devils that they have not faced yet and they haven't healed from or conquered, I want to say.
So, I mean, it's not, again, it's just not conscious thought.
Mine was from a healing.
I used to weigh 396 pounds and I made some big changes in my life.
And the one on my foot is, just reminds me I'm not going back there.
So if I ever look down and I see this, I know you're laughing.
No, sorry, I was laughing at somebody.
I wasn't laughing at you.
Okay, I was like, really?
No, I was laughing at you.
When I look down and I see that on my foot, I'm like, don't look down.
Get it together.
You know, you have overcome something.
I overcame stage four terminal liver disease.
You know, like I've had a lot of stuff happen and a lot of thought went into that.
And I did it in my 40s.
And it was cathartic.
It was like an end to what was and a reminder of what was going to be.
If that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.
But again, like, I mean, you're not trying to flaunt that to the world because you have it in a spot that's not typically seen.
Yeah.
And so like, yeah.
So, I mean, I like, so you're one of the exceptions to this rule.
Like, technically speaking, I would still prioritize a skin virgin, but I get you're like one of the exceptions to the rule.
As far as the tattoos go, I would say, do you have tattoos?
I'm a skin virgin.
Yes.
There you go.
I would say, like for most men.
Now, there are some men who have fetishes.
There are some men who maybe they have a tattoo.
So maybe they view it as like a commonality where it can kind of get into a potentially a positive.
I would say, though, at least for me, that tattoos are at best neutral or negative.
There's never, so when I say neutral, it's like I tolerate.
Like, there's never a woman I've ever seen with a tattoo.
Just to be clear, tattoos are not deal breakers.
Although some, like if she's fully blasted, it's probably like I don't have tattoos.
Like she's, it's probably, we're so different, it wouldn't work or whatever.
Not necessarily, I mean, maybe it could, but like, we don't see a tattoo and it gets us going.
Yeah, like, I guess it depends.
It depends a little bit on placement, what the tattoo is, how many tattoos she has.
It's like a scale.
I would say it's a spectrum of acceptability.
So, like, okay, she has a heart tattoo on her inner ankle, and that's the only tattoo she has.
Honest, like, to me, that's totally neutral.
Now, would I like slightly prefer her to not have it?
Sure, but like, I don't really care that much.
But would it be better if she didn't have it?
Sure.
But it would be like, I don't know.
How can I, what's the thing I can compare to?
Okay, your boyfriend makes $250,000 a year.
It would be nicer if he made $255,000 a year.
But it's like that's the increment.
It's like, okay, he's an extra $5,000 is nice.
Like if he's making $250,000 a year, would you rather him be a plumber or would you rather him be a firefighter?
I don't know if that's come on.
Like, let's be honest.
It's not dangerous.
That might be a pretty big thing.
In terms of what I was suggesting.
I think they make really great money.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, I think ultimately, though, for me, it's neutral at best to negative to the point of the spectrum of tattoo having.
So neutral to negative, you're falling somewhere on the spectrum.
Neutral here would be like very minimal tattoo, small versus like all the way here, like massive negative.
Obviously, we're talking face tattoos.
We're talking whites of your eyes tattoos.
We're talking like blackout tattoo.
Like then we're getting into like this other territory.
She's got fucking gang tattoos.
She's got like tattoos that communicate something actually.
Like for example, like if somebody has an MS-13 gang tattoo, like that does say something like about you, either your current state or your past affairs.
So I actually wrote down some notes.
I'll just blast them super quick on the tattoo topic.
So it says something about your impulsiveness, long-term judgment.
There's a potential for regret there.
It could signal a pattern of behavior, which someone might make more like emotionally driven choices.
Association with risky behavior.
They do show correlation with higher levels of risky behavior, drinking, drugs, criminal activity, sexual promiscuity.
There is a correlation, particularly with like certain types or placements, neck, face tattoos.
There's a professional social image component.
Now, I don't know, if you're like a corporate businessman or you're an attorney or you're going to these functions where, not that I do these things, but where you're like bringing your wife and they're meeting the CEO and your wife is like blasted in tattoos.
That could have like in those professional settings that could have an impact.
There's also just an incompatibility with aesthetics.
Like aesthetically, you might just be like, I don't think it looks good.
And it could signal narcissism or attention seeking.
All right, sorry to pound on you guys for fucking 20 minutes, I guess.
I'm not mad about my decisions.
But I feel like we're sitting down from most tattoo to least.
Pretty much.
There you go.
Well, yeah, you got the butterfly.
Do you have any other tattoos or is it just those?
I have this one and then I have one here also.
And then one on my ankle.
Yeah, so like I wouldn't say you're like you're definitely pretty close on the spectrum there.
Marriage as Financial Liability00:15:22
Like you're like, okay, so like no, no tattoos to like, whoa, that, I mean, you, what's the style called where it's just like fucking just you have the patchwork?
Yeah, so I mean this one here, you got the one there.
Do you have like the lip one?
No.
On the lip.
Do you have any on your fingers?
Oh, I guess the hand one.
Yeah, I got the hand one.
Yeah, I mean, it's I've seen worse, obviously.
Like there's people who are just fucking, oh, of course.
Yes.
Like super blasted.
You're not quite there yet, but it's definitely a preference, but I do regret all of mine.
And I want to get them removed and I do plan to, but it's not like an easy thing.
And I'm scared.
And I think that kind of speaks to what she was saying.
Like, you know, she didn't put as much thought into it, right?
Where versus like you and I, where like we said, like there was so much thought that went into it.
And it was like healing cathartic, where it's like, I'm, and it's like people I love, so I'm never going to regret honoring the people I love, you know, versus well, yeah, there's, there's like varying degrees of the when I was younger, I wanted to get tattoos, but one rule I put on it was if I still want it in a year, I'll get it.
And if I don't, and I never wanted it, so I never got anything.
Yeah, and I think I had at some point some temptation, but I was like, I've never had a tattoo.
It's crossed my mind at moments, but I was like, you know what?
If I still want this in a year, and it's like, but even then, I was like, eh, nah, I'll change my mind.
Like, I was never wanting it.
I always thought I'd do my kids' names and I never did it.
But I think the other thing that we, since it is a dating podcast, I think one component, so if you're like, let's say you're a man who's wanting to like have a stay-at-home wife and she's not making any money and you're making money and she's like a tattoo fanatic, that's a financial liability.
Like she's going to come to me wanting me to pay for the tattoos.
And I'm thinking like that seems like from my perspective, that would be a waste of money if we're going to have kids.
We have a household.
Like, so what does it say about like a financial responsibility?
Because it does seem to be the case that people who are not often in really good financial situations get tattoos.
And I'm like, okay, that money could have been, yeah, maybe it's what, a hundred here, a couple hundred here, here and there getting a tattoos.
Sometimes, like over a lifetime, people are thousands, tens of thousands of dollars.
Like, how much was your two tattoos?
These were each 150.
150 each, right?
Like, how much were your tattoos?
This one was like 300.
These were 150 each.
Okay.
And so it's like, you know, you'll see.
So what?
You said it was 300?
This was 100.
Total.
Yeah.
300.
I mean, shit, $300 for some people, that's like a lot of money.
Yeah.
$300, like, that's, that's your rent.
That's your food.
That's diapers.
So it's like, I don't know.
If I was dating a girl and she was like, I want to get tattoos.
This also would apply to like a woman who has high degrees of vanity.
So like, I guess as the next sort of hopping off topic, a woman who wears a lot of makeup, a woman who wants plastic surgery, a woman who has a lot of upkeep.
She's getting Botox.
She's getting lip fillers.
She's getting procedures done.
I would want a woman who doesn't have a leaning towards needing plastic surgery or kicking on makeup because I view that as a financial liability in a relationship, especially at least for me.
I mean, I'm in the position where I can take care of everything.
I'd prefer my girlfriend or whatever down the road.
When we have kids, she doesn't have to work.
But I also want her to be responsible financially, especially if it's my money that she's spending.
So for me, when I see a woman who's like clearly has mental health issues, when it comes to plastic surgery, like I just think, okay, every couple years, it's going to be a $10,000 surgery.
Like, I could afford it, but nah, you're not getting it.
So even if she wanted it, even if I could afford it, no, that money can be better spent.
Do you have hobbies that you spend money on?
Our money?
It would be her money because she's, it's, I think, relationships are a hundred, a hundred years.
Well, I'm not, I'm never getting married.
So yeah, it's always going to be my money.
It's always going to be my money.
And a traditional Christian woman is going to be okay with never getting married.
I'm not Christian.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But, you know, it's, I mean, some of these Christian women are.
I want to do air quotes, though.
Christian women.
Most of them are completely.
If they're into you, they're just, they get completely bulldozed.
Like they just, they claim one thing and I'm waiting until marriage.
And then they're fucking like, I mean, not all Christian women, to be clear.
A lot of hypocritical Christians.
But yeah, I mean, I'm not getting married.
I mean, I do agree.
Like, you know, when you are married, right?
Like, it's an hour thing, especially if you're following that gender role of like, okay, he's the one that's going to be working.
Then like it's an hour situation.
But a good woman is going to have standards.
And most 90s, I don't know what percentage it is, but a vast majority of the good women that you want are going to expect marriage.
I disagree with that to a degree.
Of course, an unwillingness to get married definitely will close the door for perhaps, I don't know, the percentage I would assign to it.
But there's plenty of, I think, good, virtuous women who would make for good girlfriends, good mothers.
Well, there are some people who are meant for singleness.
Like that's like in the Bible.
Like some people are.
I'm not talking about being single.
No, I just mean like that's like unmarried.
Like in when you're talking biblically, like single, like a singleness, like God can give to a singleness because like you're not meant to be tied to like that rib or that person.
Like you have a different purpose with it.
It's not what I'm talking about.
So yeah, that's so I can have a long-term girlfriend, stay with her forever, be in monogamous, have seven children with her.
What changes?
Huh?
He essentially wants marriage just without the government contract.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can have, so all those things in marriage, the children, the family, I can have all those absent marriage.
Why does the government contract scare you so much?
Or do you dislike it so much?
Yeah, I mean, primarily just financial liability.
And I don't need the government involved.
The government is retarded.
And I don't need some woke, retarded judge telling me how I should distribute my money and how the assets should go.
And, oh, my wife cheats on me.
And we've been married for 15 years.
In California, I have to pay her alimony for her entire life.
Fuck the government.
Fuck the laws.
If she wants to be with me, and I hope she wants to be with me for life and we're going to have a family and we're going to have kids.
Great.
But I'm not going to let the government ever put me in a position.
Like, marriage is a contract.
Marriage is, it's literally a contract.
And I'm a businessman.
You know I'm a businessman because you find me at my places of business.
And so when I look at what marriage is from a legal perspective, it's a terrible fucking contract.
Oh, here's a woman who didn't help you build your business at all.
And at any moment, she could be cheating on me.
Or even if there's no cheating, she could just be like, well, I don't like him anymore, which fair, but now he has to pay me for the rest of my life X amount of money.
That's fucking retarded.
I'm not going to ever enter into any sort of agreement that would allow for that.
That's so dumb.
So yes, it's a financial liability.
What about if you get a prenuptial agreement?
Yeah, sure.
So okay, prenuptial agreements can be challenged.
Prenuptial agreements can't be unconscionable.
So for example, the prenuptial agreement cannot state, well, yes, Brian, you make millions of dollars per year and you're going to marry a woman who makes nothing and you're married to her for 20 years.
In the contract, it cannot be like, she gets nothing.
That would be an unconscionable contract.
So like prenuptial agreements, she still gets something.
Correct, but you agreed to it up front and you can have a clause in it that states this prenuptial agreement is to be reviewed every year.
Just like you file tax returns every year, review it every year.
But so the prenuption, so I believe, and it depends on the state.
I'm not an expert in this.
Prenuptial agreements can protect assets before the marriage.
Anything gained from the marriage onwards is I don't believe the pre-nuptial agreement can really address it.
It would then go community property.
So if I'm making a million dollars a year and she's making jack shit and we're married for fucking 10 years, trust me, she's getting millions of dollars in the divorce, regardless of if there's a pre-nuptial agreement or not.
I'm sorry.
I'm not giving a woman if she's even...
Child support is the bigger liability at that point.
Not necessarily because that would have a limit as to how long it could go.
And if we have children, whether we're married or not, that's something you can't escape.
Right.
So why add another liability in that case?
So there's no point.
Yes, okay, you got me.
Yes, if I have children with her, I would have to technically pay her child support.
I'm okay with that.
I mean.
I'm actually not so okay with child support.
I think that can be kind of retarded too in some ways because sometimes it's most often child support isn't even used for the child paying for the things child needs.
In some cases, the child support doesn't cover enough for the child care expenses, but sometimes it can be very exorbitant, especially if you're a high earner, especially in California where the calculation is based off of your income and it's just a percentage.
Okay, you make this much money.
Say you make $100,000 a month.
You're going to be paying her $10,000 in child support a month.
It doesn't cost $10,000 a month in child support to raise a kid.
Fuck the government and fuck her, frankly.
That's ridiculous that you would ever...
A lot of these child support payments are completely exorbitant is the word I was looking for.
The woman is going to use the child support for things that have nothing to do with child support if the payment is exorbitant.
So that's bullshit.
That's completely retarded.
There should be a cap on it.
I would challenge you on that a little bit and talk to an attorney about it because I think you're shutting out a lot of women that would be otherwise aligning with all of the values that you have.
Well, I mean, my perspective on this is, is like, okay, woman, so if I'm making millions of dollars a year, but I won't give you marriage, but it could work, or you could go marry a guy who makes $100,000 a year, like that's the trade-off the woman's like going to have to make, I think.
I think I definitely agree with Brian on this.
I like personally, I don't see any benefit to getting a legal government contract to get married.
I think it is a covenant made between God.
And so it's a covenant in God's eyes, made between a man and a woman.
Where is the government supposed to be in that?
It's not supposed to be anywhere because the government is essentially incentivizing you in ways.
Hey, if you do this divorce thing, we'll give you this.
We'll make it comfortable for you.
We'll make it easy.
Essentially incentivizing people to do a divorce and the marriage for their own vain, feely reasons.
And I mean, especially once we've like instituted, gosh, no-fault divorce laws.
Like, I think this absolutely shot marriage in the foot.
Like, it absolutely destroyed it.
Because, I mean, all it is now, it's saying, I don't feel like this marriage is working out.
And I have these divorce laws that I can fall back on to.
I can have all these incentives and benefits if I do end this marriage and ruin our children's lives, ruin our lives.
I think, yeah, I think having a marriage where there is no government contract involved makes you think very hard before you get into that marriage.
You're going to bring up all of those really difficult topics that need to be brought up before you decide to marry this person.
Like all of the, do you believe in abortion?
What are your political views?
Like, do you think we should be going to church every single week?
All of those extremely hard topics that people tend to avoid right now because, oh, I could just divorce them if we find something that we disagree on.
I mean, I think there's both sides to it because I do agree.
Like, I don't really love the role that government plays in marriage because I also agree, like, it's a commitment between you, your partner, and God.
Like, I would be totally fine getting married in a field with just me, my partner, my family under God, you know?
But I also think that in one way where, yes, it does give people that easy out.
It also does make people think, like, okay, like, I need to make sure if I really marry this person, like, I'm in this because if we do get divorced, like, that's messy.
It can be bad.
Like, this is kind of like going in, well, going into this.
I don't know why people who aren't Christians get married.
Honestly, it's the dumbest thing ever.
Like, if you don't, yeah, I think it's so dumb.
Like, you get in a governmently binding contract to spend the rest of your life with this person.
Like, you don't really believe that you're in a covenant with them.
Like, you're doing it for, like, I guess, so you're not alone and you have like fleshly pleasures with them.
But, like, why do people who don't believe in God ever get married?
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That blows my mind.
I have no clue.
But if you are in a Christian, if you are a Christian, you get married to somebody and they divorce you and they take everything.
Well, if you're part of a good, healthy church, the church is what takes care of you.
I mean, my church in my motorcycle crash, they took care of me.
I mean, I had people visiting me every day at the hospital when I was recovering.
People just lent me rooms in their homes to live in while I recovered until I could start working again.
The church is designed and it's really good at taking care of its members, a really good, solid church.
I'm talking about those mega churches out there that like that you might know someone's name and that's it.
No, like really solid churches that are actually your family.
Like when those messy divorces happen, that's what they're, what, that's what the church is there for, to be able to take care of you.
And the government sucks at doing that.
It always prioritizes in the wrong ways.
It incentivizes people to break that marriage.
Where, I mean, if you go into a marriage without that government contract, shoot, it's so much better.
And if you're a Christian and something does terrible, something terrible does happen, there is that, you can fall back into your church and they're there for you.
The only legalities then, if you're not married, would be to consult with an attorney of how you can protect your wife or your significant other if something were to happen to you.
Because she doesn't have spousal rights under the laws of man.
Well, so, I mean, okay, if you're like thinking of some sort of scenario where you're incapacitated or you, you know, die before you otherwise expected to, you could make it.
That's called a will and testament.
So, okay.
That's not enough.
Huh?
That's not enough.
You minimally need a trust, a living trust that would make it revocable when you die.
You have to make that.
Okay, but there's a lot of...
You are acknowledging that you can have that sort of way.
Well, that's what I said.
If in one way you believe that the prenuptial isn't protecting you, then what security or protection does she have?
And okay, so hold on, but you're now, that's back to what the woman wants.
How do I benefit?
How do you benefit?
Yeah, how do I here?
How do you list out all the negatives?
Tell me why, as a male breadwinner, I should get married.
You don't have to do anything you don't want to.
No, but what are the...
So, okay, if you're making a case for marriage, if you're arguing for marriage.
Yes.
Aside from contending with my criticisms, what are the pros?
What are the, why should I, as the man, get married as the male breadwinner?
You don't have to, but that's not what I'm asking you.
Because it'll be easy.
I think you're cutting off a lot of very traditional women that you're expecting to find.
That's actually, I think that's compelling to a degree.
Yeah.
But that's not enough.
And have you talked to a family law attorney to get all of the laws and specifications for the state that you live in?
I would want to ask all, I mean, I'm not there.
I'm not getting married.
I just divorced.
But if I were to remarry, I would want to talk to the family attorney and say, okay, I need a bulletproof, legal in all 50 states, prenuptial, very blanket, you know, prenuptial.
What are my options?
I would want to educate myself on that before I get married.
So, I mean, ultimately, I guess you're right that the laws vary state by state.
And I don't have like in-depth knowledge necessarily about specific outcomes or specific laws, but I have a baseline understanding of marriage and divorce laws in the United States.
I know, for example, that prenuptial agreements aren't this magical contract that means you're going to have a good outcome in the event of a divorce.
You're still going to get financially fucked simply by virtue of having the marriage.
You're going to get lawyers involved.
That creates an expense right there.
It creates a financial liability immediately.
If you do get married through the court system, then yes, you have to get a divorce if you want to separate.
That is going to cost money.
Whereas, hey, okay, we don't want to be together anymore.
Well, okay, we got to figure out the child legal situation, but that would be the only legal component should you have children.
If you're married, then the divorce comes into play.
Then it's like, okay, we got to untangle our money if we bought a house together.
If I earn things during the marriage, if I had fucking Bitcoin, you're going to grab my fucking crypto.
You're going to grab part of my assets.
You're going to grab all these things.
And so, again, I'm asking you: why should me as the man, the male breadwinner, get married?
I'm the woman and I paid it.
Okay, so just to be clear, I understand that the laws also do apply to women too.
But I'm asking from, as it is the case, that generally speaking, men are the ones who get fucked in divorce.
Generally, women can get fucked too.
If the woman's making more money and the man's the stay-at-home dad or whatever, yeah, the woman would be paying alimony, would be losing money, would be in a financially bad position.
So I guess.
But that's not what I'm asking.
I guess if you want to divert it to the gender thing, why should the breadwinner, why should the person who made, which is mostly men, why should the person who makes the most money out of the two, why should they get married?
Well, I think you would have to be fully educated on it.
I don't know enough to speak intelligently about it yet because I haven't talked to an attorney about the prenuptial legalities and protections.
And if you review it every year and you can amend it every year, I'm sorry, but it's going to be very difficult to contend something that you just agreed to last year.
Wait, what?
If you have, in my opinion, I don't know enough about it, but in my opinion, you have a prenuptial agreement that gets you both agreed before you get married, is going to get reviewed every year for any changes, if any, and you agree to it every single year.
What does that mean?
How is she going to defend or contest it in a court of law when she just signed it last year, even if you've been married for 20 years?
That you're not communicating with.
Well, okay, so what he's asking is: like, how do the benefits of getting married overweigh the benefits of not getting married?
So he's listed all of these benefits to not pursuing that government contract.
How is it getting married outweighs that?
Because there's a solution to that, to that worry, I think.
No, there's nothing speaking to an attorney that knows a little bit more.
It would not be beneficial for you to get legally married.
And especially if you're not a Christian and you have someone who has the values that you like and they want to be with you, it would not be advantageous for you to go into a legal contract with a woman who brought nothing monetarily to the marriage.
That is 100% true.
And if I mean, that may be a deal breaker for her.
But when you find the right one, she might be like, hell yeah, Brian, let's do it.
And you may be with her 50 years and have 10 kids.
My belief is, my perspective is that if the woman only wants to be with me on condition that we have a governmental marriage, like a legally, like through the courthouse or whatever, she's just not that into you.
She ain't the one.
Further, like, now, if I wanted to date a woman who like maybe I'd be, I think I'd be okay, like, say she was Christian or whatever, and she wanted to have the ritual without the corresponding legal complexity.
Obviously, some states, there's like common law marriage, and I believe if you were to like hold yourself as if you were married, you would technically have a common law marriage.
But in California, and there's other states too.
I don't know the breakdown of all the states that have common law marriage or whatever.
California doesn't.
But yeah, okay, you want to have like a ritual.
You want to have, I guess I'm okay with that.
Just a profession of love, you know, like your relationship.
If she really wants it, I guess we could do it in Vegas or something.
Like vows under God in church somewhere.
But yeah, actually having a legal government marriage, absolutely not.
Yeah, no.
Absolutely not.
Wouldn't do it.
There's pretty much the only reason you should do it.
I mean, I would say you should get married if you're Christian because that's something you should do as a Christian, right?
It calls for it.
It calls for marriage.
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I don't know.
I mean, I agree as well.
Like, I don't think it's necessary if you're not, like you said, like Christian to have that marriage in general because that is a profession of you declaring your love and your faithfulness, your commitment under God to that person.
And if you're not under that faith value, then it doesn't make sense for you to just go into a contract just for that, like, especially someone that's more likely to hurt you than well.
I mean, the other thing to consider, though, is all my concerns still apply to Christian men.
Like, all those concerns in terms of the financial liability, even though you're a Christian and you're called to get married, you still have to take these things into consideration.
Yeah, and that's what I mean.
Like, I wouldn't, like, if my future husband, whatever, was like, hey, I don't want to like get married on paper, I would be fine with that.
Yeah.
Because to me, it's the commitment that matters, not this little paper we have to sign.
Because this is what's going to really matter down the line.
Well, I mean, because when you sign that paper, it puts in a bunch of incentives to end it, to get a divorce.
Yeah, that's incentives start to appear once you sign that piece of paper.
If you don't sign the piece of paper, there's no incentive to end that divorce or end with divorce.
So, I mean, and then I the other thing I was just thinking about is, and that is a good point.
It's like, well, okay, we're having an argument.
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Oh, if I divorce him, I get alimony for the rest of my life and I get like thousands of dollars every month.
And so it's like creates an incentive for women or whoever the is not the breadwinner to maybe just be like, well, do I receive a benefit by ending this?
Whereas if I just have a girlfriend and she ends things with me.
What about her perspective?
Where you can just leave because she can just leave too.
Well, right, but you are also incentivized not to really try when shit gets hard because you just leave.
I mean, so two, I guess two things.
Well, if you just leave, you lose what the breadwinner was providing.
No, but let's say she's, let's say, hypothetically, like in 15 years, after seven kids, you just turn into a monster to her.
Like, you're just an asshole to her.
Like, verbally abuse her.
You slap her once.
You're like an alcoholic.
Something.
Okay.
Hypothetically speaking.
Sure.
Okay.
Okay.
And she's trying.
Or, you know, and you're just, she criticizes you on it.
You know, if you would stop drinking that alcohol, I think, you know, it would be better for our relationship.
Okay.
And you're like, F this, I'm just going to leave.
And you leave.
And you're, you, and that's no security for her.
Well, I mean, if so, if we have children, the child support would cover some of it.
But yeah, I suppose a woman has to weigh that as a potential risk.
However, I mean, I mean, I think it's hard to believe that this extremely negative behavior just spawned out of nowhere in this guy.
I mean, I suppose it could happen.
I mean, I guess it could happen, but it's extremely rare.
And like, I mean, again, if you're part of like, if you are getting married, like, I don't, again, I don't see why the people who are not Christians get married because if you are a Christian, that stuff happens.
The church is there to help you.
They're there, like, the money that people donate to the church, it's made for these kinds of situations.
Well, also, this hypothetical scenario, you like, couldn't that go the other way too?
Yeah, like, so it could go the other way, too.
Like, she could be a terrible piece of shit.
She could cheat on me.
I did get married to her, and we were married for 15 years.
Boom, permanent alimony kicks in in California.
Once you're over 10 years of marriage, she got gangbanged by my fucking best friends.
Like, something fucking terrible could happen.
And now I'm gigafucked.
Like, I think the worst case scenario in both situations is: okay, the woman stopped working and she was a stay-at-home wife for 10 years, which truth be told, I think is kind of like a pretty damn good scenario.
Like, okay, everything is covered by your husband.
You don't have to work.
That seems like kind of a blessing.
Like, it would be wonderful if like hordes of women who had fucked ton of money were like ever came around to men or to me in my life and were like, hey, Brian, I want you to be a pampered little prince and just do nothing and take care of the household and raise the kids.
Wouldn't it be nice?
Uh, I actually think it's a privilege for women to get to be stay-at-home and not have to work.
I think that's a privilege, especially nowadays where economically, uh, financially, it's actually very, very difficult.
A man has to earn quite a bit of money to actually allow that to happen.
Most people are gonna have to have a two-income household.
So, I do think it's a privilege for a woman to be a stay-at-home and the guy's taking care of all the finances.
That certainly will be the case for me.
The woman will never have to work ever.
But, so I think it ultimately, though, men would get the worst end of the stick if we, like, the worst case scenario in both situations.
Okay, I'm done with her, and she we're not married.
She's kind of financially fucked.
I think you can get on your like that seems like you can get back on your feet.
Um, versus man has a financial duty to like you can have a clean break from somebody.
Like, okay, fuck, you're financially in a shitty position.
You're you're completely clear from them, you're completely done with them.
If I'm married to a woman for over 10 years and she does some fuck shit, I am tied to her for life.
She gets my money for life.
I, the government can force my labor.
It's literally fucking slavery.
The government forces me to give her money so long as I'm working.
The government has a right to my labor.
She has a right to my labor after she fucked another dude for the rest of her life.
So, 20 years later, I'm still paying.
I haven't seen this woman.
Imagine that.
Bro, what was 20 years ago?
What was like a big ban 20 years ago?
2006.
Was Britney Spears crazy at that point?
No, 2007.
She got crazy.
I think he still is.
Imagine you haven't talked to somebody for 20 years and you still got to write them a check.
Yeah, that's crazy.
20 years.
That's fucking stupid.
That's stupid.
And so, like, I think the scenario you're giving us, I would rather live in a world where that scenario probably happens 0.01% of the time.
Whereas the scenario nowadays where divorce is absolutely just rampant in our society, it's like 50% of marriages ended in divorce.
I would rather take the 0.01% risk than the 50% risk.
Yeah.
I think that is a good point.
Like, you know, because I was in a situation with my ex, right?
We were together for five years.
And then when I had to decide to leave because of the infidelity and, you know, the unwillingness to change that, you know, he was the provider.
Like, I worked a little bit, but like he took care of mostly everything.
But then when I left, like, I didn't have shit.
Like, I ended up having to stay in my car for like two months because in Cali, like, it takes a while to get enough to like, you know, have a place.
But like, I can understand like that point of like, that's something you can recover from.
Like, it did only take me like two months to like find my bearings and get my crap together to like recover from that.
Versus like, yeah, and does the situation suck?
You could be obviously for life.
Yeah, exactly.
And like, it is a crappy situation to be like, oh my God, now I like don't know what to do.
The suck is only for a temporary relatively a short period of time.
So I do, I do understand.
Yeah, and it's, I mean, there's certain arguments to alimony.
It's like, okay, let's say the woman was on track to have a corporate career, but I think like, and so she didn't pursue, she didn't elevate in her career because she chose to stop working and stay at home and take care of the kids.
But it's like, okay, let's say I meet a girl and she was working at Chick-fil-A as a fucking, I don't know, like a minimum wage fast food worker.
When I say Chick-fil-A, not in the corporate office, not as some like big shot regional manager.
She like entry-level fast food worker.
And I meet her and I'm like, okay, six months after dating, let's move in together.
A year later, let's have kids, take care of everything.
And then we break up.
And then, you know, there's these women who were fucking nobodies and they dated some basketball player.
And it's like, they didn't take those shots.
They didn't, they didn't, they weren't my MJ.
They weren't LeBron, fucking Dre's Dr. Dre's wife.
She wasn't making fucking hits after hits for decades.
No.
Like, okay, maybe she deserves something.
Half, half.
That's fucking insane.
And it's like, I don't know.
I mean, like.
And I think like that's like the difference to like people who like.
Wait, wait, let me just finish my thought on this.
So it's like, okay, she was working at Chick-fil-A.
She can go, from my perspective, if she was working at Chick-fil-A and now she's like, say she's living with, she matches up with a millionaire.
Her lifestyle jump is way better than it would have been had she just continued on her own and dated another fucking Chick-fil-A worker.
Her lifestyle has improved massively.
I think that that's like a huge benefit to her to be basically she stopped working.
Everything was provided for her.
Food, house, rent, expenses, everything, medical, everything taken care of by the man.
And then, you know what?
Maybe he fucked up, she fucked up, they break up.
She can go right back to where she was working.
She was at Chick-fil-A.
Back you go.
You don't get half of them.
You don't get millions of dollars.
That's bullshit.
I have a question.
How often does that scenario happen and how likely is it to happen?
What scenario?
The Chick-fil-A girl with a millionaire.
So all these basketball players, they're just wifing up millionaire women.
No, they're wifing up nobodies.
All these fucking...
Well, and that's what I was going to say.
It's the intellect has to match because I don't think you would be tied to... Me?
I don't think you would go out with a Chick-fil-A server.
I think there would be a very big intellect clash.
I think there'd be nothing to talk about.
Well, hold on.
There's a couple things there.
So I actually had a two-year relationship with a girl.
This was many years ago.
This was, gee, 2018, I think, 2017, 2018.
So quite a while ago.
She worked at Chick-fil-A.
As far, and she was a great girl, by the way.
Many years ago, though, right?
How many years ago?
It was 2018, about.
So you were a lot younger.
What was that?
Six years ago.
27, 28, I guess.
She was younger.
She was like 20 or something.
Okay, that kind of goes.
But like, she was actually quite smart.
She was a good person.
She worked at Chick-fil-A.
She hooked it up.
I was a fan of the chicken.
But the sauce.
But like, intelligence, like, she's pretty, like, I'd say she's smart, but just because you work at a fast food job doesn't mean you're not intelligent.
No, it doesn't mean that all the time.
No.
And she's also young, too.
She is.
That's why I mean, like, that the scenario of someone that is successful and intelligent is probably Someone that hasn't been educated, maybe 18, 19, 20 years old, still in college, doesn't have the intellect capacity to have a meaningful, a lot of meaningful conversations.
They don't have a life experience.
Well, I do have life stages.
I mean, just because you work a fast food job doesn't mean you're not intelligent or don't have the capacity for I don't mean like you're dumb, like you don't, you don't know, you don't have the ability to do that.
Also, I like a simple woman, to be honest.
Let me rephrase that.
Inexperience with life person, they're just too young.
I can't imagine having a conversation with an 18-year-old right now.
Besides, how's the weather and how was high school?
Well, I mean, this would be like a value of values compatibility thing.
So, like, for example, he's a Christian.
I would argue, and Mason's 30.
I would argue Mason has more in common with an 18-year-old Christian woman than he does with a 30-year-old atheist, liberal, woke, purple-hair, septum period.
So, like, this idea that you can't have compatibility and commonality and shared virtue or values with somebody younger than you, my argument would be someone much younger than Mason, an 18, 19, 20-year-old, but she's a Christian, there's way more alignment there.
She's probably a virgin too.
Not necessarily, but more likely.
Higher, very high chance.
Yes.
Well, more so the chance she's a virgin than the 30-year-old.
Yes, indeed.
But I'm not holding out for the 18, 19, 20-year-olds being virgins.
Fair, fair.
But there's some.
There's some.
But yeah, I mean, ultimately, this idea that, oh no, also, men.
Like, they don't know how to file their tax returns.
They're like barely calling insurance companies to insure their mother.
Oh, no.
A lot of them young.
They're barely learning.
They're barely learning.
They're like little birds just barely learning.
She's young.
And she's 20 and fertile and beautiful and pleasant and doesn't have a fuck ton of baggage, although at 20, a lot of them do.
But, oh, no, but she, I can't date her, though, because she doesn't know about taxes.
She doesn't know how to file a tax return.
No, no, no, that's not what I'm talking about.
That's an example.
I'm not saying she needs to do that.
It's like when you're talking about certain things, like, hey, babe, I need your W-2.
Why?
I need to fire our tax returns.
What do you mean?
What is that?
What is your tax returns?
Like, you know, like, just do it to me.
Wait, wait, wait.
In the calculus of do I want to have sex with this woman and/or a relationship with this woman, never has it occurred to me.
Well, I would fuck her, but she doesn't know what a W-2 does.
Okay, bad example.
Bad example.
She doesn't know about a W-2.
Bad example.
Let me find they're not worldly wise.
You can relate.
First Time Travel Experiences00:05:16
You can't say, oh my God, I went to Capri, Italy, and I had the best time.
And she can't relate to that because she's never left the country.
Wait, wait, wait.
I love that.
Wait, no, good.
Wait, wait, wait.
Let me get into that.
That's good, though, because when a woman is traveled, well traveled, now, again, kind of like with the tattoo thing, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the case, but in the male brain, when a woman's been to, she's been all over Europe, she's been all over Asia, she's been all over Latin America, she's been all over fucking Dubai, she's fucked.
That's what I think.
I think when a woman, especially solo travel, she's just fucked a bunch.
That's what I think.
And also, it's like, if a woman hasn't traveled, I want to be her portal to those experiences.
Exactly.
No, but if, oh, okay.
I don't want her to have the previous baggage.
It's like, I want, for example, I don't know, this is going to sound, and this wasn't like it, this was a woman, she was 24.
And like, this is going to sound kind of corny and silly.
She, for some reason, had never had like certain fruits before.
Like, she hadn't had like peaches and nectarines, and I don't think she had strawberries, even, which is like super common fruit.
And like, for some reason, it felt nice.
And I was like, let me, I'm going to buy you some and we'll have this experience together.
It sounds kind of corny, but it's like, no, that actually sounds incredible.
I was like, this is what I'm going with, the Capri and lemons.
I love lemons, and I had that experience.
And I want, I have a whole citrus lane on my house, and it's all the citruses.
And I love to bring that, I cook with them, and I make the most amazing homemade lemon curd on a brand new cheesecake.
And I like to give them to people.
Well, see, I totally relate to what Brian's trying to say because, like, having that first experience, like, I mean, purity, virgin.
So that's kind of what I'm going into.
Like, the purity.
Like, they have never had this experience eating this fruit with anybody anywhere at any time.
Her having that experience with me is like, that's going to be in her memory forever.
It's going to be.
Exactly.
It's like really powerful bonding.
And she has that with like a ton of things other than fruit, like travel, eventually once I get married, carnal knowledge, like things like that.
Like that is a permanent bond that she will always have with me.
So and the thing is, like, I'm only going to find that with someone who's a little younger.
I'm not going to find that with someone around my age.
Well, the other thing that the good point that Mason brings up here is, I don't know, it's like, oh man, I'm kind of losing my train of thought on this, but that first experience, like, I don't know.
Well, okay, I actually recall.
I think there will be a degree of appreciation.
Like, if a woman's been to like some snazzy restaurant 20 times, if she's been in another dude's Lambo, she's been in a guy's Ferrari, she's been in a McLaren, there's no, there's like a, she's, she's been there, done that.
There's no novelty there.
But then like, if you're the first one that can be the portal to a new experience for a woman, there's an appreciation that she'll have for you that wouldn't exist otherwise.
And it's like, whether that's a trip somewhere, oh, you've never, like, for example, a woman tells me she's never been to Hawaii or she's never been to Europe.
She's never been out of the country.
That to me, like me bringing her on a trip to Hawaii, me bringing her on a trip to Europe, that's her first time experiencing that.
I feel like I'm providing more value to her because like it's the first time.
Whereas if, oh no, like for example, if you've been to Hawaii a hundred times or you live in Hawaii, going to the beach for you isn't like necessarily some big event.
But if you live in fucking Ohio and you've never seen the beach ever and you're going to the beach for the first time, it's like there's a bonding moment.
It's like there's going to be a level of appreciation there where it's like if she's had all these experiences before, whether it was through a man or just her own traveling or whatever, there's a lack of, I don't know.
Well, it's like that bonding, right?
You were saying like, for instance, like I have not taken certain trips because that's, that's something I would want to experience with my partner, like I don't want to just go do that by myself, like I would want that person to like experience this thing, show me things, whatever.
But then, in general, like when you're talking about age, I just feel like age doesn't really matter as much because it's all it is about life experience and like I'm someone where I experienced So many different responsibilities and like life altering things, so young that by the time I was 18, I was years ahead of people who are my same age because of life experience.
Age and Background Mismatches00:08:35
So I feel like age doesn't matter, but their background, their environments, their values, whatever, like that's where you can determine like, okay, are we at the same?
I found out why you're looking for someone.
You don't have children.
I have children, so I'm looking at things from a different lens.
I need someone that's been there, done that with the whole marriage and kids situation.
Well, men and women.
I wouldn't date someone that's never been married or that doesn't have children.
There's a certain, it makes you grow, it forces you to grow as a person.
Well, the thing is, though, is there's an asymmetry between what men find attractive and what women find attractive.
So I don't even disagree with you that that's what you or perhaps women who are in your position want, but men and women are not attracted to the same things.
So I think there can sometimes be a projection.
I'm not sure if you're doing it, but women look at men who are hyper-successful, who have status, who have a lot of money.
You look at them and you think sometimes women think, not all women think this, women will think, oh, this is what I find attractive.
Men must also find these traits attractive in women.
No.
But no, men don't give a fuck about your career, your status, your money.
We don't care about it.
So in that same vein, like you're women, you're talking more about experience, though.
Like you wouldn't date a guy who doesn't have a family, who doesn't have that experience, who doesn't know.
But I would argue that a man who he has kids, he has a family, you know, he's divorced or whatever.
He would still defer to wanting a woman who like it wouldn't be an issue for him to date a woman who doesn't have children, who doesn't like he would still look for those traits because those are just like baseline level traits that men find attractive.
If he wants more kids, yes, because she's going to want kids.
Well, I mean, that's...
If he doesn't, yeah, there's a, it gets so missed.
There's other complicated ones.
You both have children.
Well, that is true.
If his desire is to continue having children, then that's actually.
It's actually to the contrary.
It would be better for him to find a younger woman who doesn't have kids.
I mean, you could obviously, if she's had children with other men, you could still have kids, but it would be to the man's benefit to like go date a younger woman, you know, in 20 to 30s or something.
But even if he didn't want to have children anymore?
Well, so, wait.
So if he did want to have kids, better to go younger.
But even if he didn't want to have kids, still better to go younger.
Still better to go younger.
That's not going to be a compatibility because nine out of ten times, she's going to want children.
I mean, there's a lot of him for not giving her any.
I mean, there's a lot of young women who are not at all ready to have children, especially if they're more liberal.
So he could just go fuck some liberal chick, I guess.
Well, and also.
Like that's not within values.
Well, but if he doesn't want kids, then if he doesn't want any more children, let's say he's got...
Oh, he already has children?
I mean, I would say that like even a more conservative woman who, well, he doesn't want to have more kids, but he wants to find a life like a long-term partner.
Correct.
Okay, but maybe down the line, she wants to have kids, so it would not be completely 25.
No, heck no, I don't.
She doesn't want to have kids right now, probably.
Maybe when she's 30, that biological clock is going to start ticking.
And he met her when he was 35.
Now he's now he's 40.
Now it's an ethno situation.
I don't want to have kids at 40.
Well, I suppose from like a pragmatic perspective, if like he wants to match up with a woman who is okay with not having kids, that cohort of women, and he still wants her to be traditional, that cohort of women is going to probably be older women who don't want or can't have children.
But there are younger women who don't want to have children.
But he's still going to be more attracted to the younger women regardless.
Physically, yes.
Yes, physically.
Compatibility-wise, it probably won't go long term.
That's what I mean by that.
So I would say compatibility-wise, still.
Because he still wants the person who doesn't have the in-depth experience in those areas of life.
He still wants to find that person who is not as experienced in the types of fruit and places she's traveled in those life experiences.
So he is still innately attracted to those women.
So we're not saying that it's going to be a success.
I'm not saying that it's going to be a successful relationship.
I'm saying that's what he's attracted to.
Yeah.
And women tend to be more attracted to guys who have more experience, more like stuff that they've done in their lives, who have a plethora of experiences.
I've traveled all these places.
I know what all the good stuff is.
They are like peak in that area.
They're attracted to that, generally speaking.
Yeah, it wouldn't turn you off that it's like a child, you know, that you're still like, I just feel that way because you're, you feel like that because you're a mom.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I think that's where the girls will be like, ooh, Mason, you're the age of my daughter.
So to me, I look at you completely different.
So when he's saying, well, you can date an 18-year-old, your mom brain is going, no.
Like, that's a child.
Yeah, but it's not.
It's a grown, it's a, as my son would say, it's a grown-ass woman.
Yeah.
You know, like, that's the disconnect you're having.
You're like, why do you want to go be with this little girl?
But she's not.
That's what that's grip.
That's where I think my mind vlog is at, is that I'm in such a different state of my life.
It's mama lamb.
One of my friends told me one time I was griping about my brother.
He didn't want to go on vacation with us because of my kids and what have you.
And I'm griping to my friend.
And she looked at me and she goes, well, you can't really complain about it.
I said, why not?
She said, well, you don't know what it's like not to be a mom.
So you don't have that perspective.
And so I think, and I just looked at her because I don't know what it's like.
I had my daughter when I was 18 years old.
I do not know what it's like to be on my own and not be a parent.
So we have a skewed mindset when y'all are like, what if she's 20 years old?
Like to me, I could be your mother.
Like it's just you have a different view of it.
Yeah.
We have a chat here from Red.
Mason is the best example of what a real man should be in today's world.
God-fearing and Christian morals, men need to stop being simps and supporting these OnlyFans.
Who is goodness gracious?
Dang.
Fair.
This is true.
I mean, like, I've come to the conclusion in my life, like, I am okay, die.
Like, I am okay to finish my life being single.
Like, I could go the rest of my life being single.
Come on.
Hey, it's not going to happen.
I know.
A, she was a hoo-a.
B, she was a hoo-a.
Indeed.
But no, like, if you, between, okay, I would rather die as a single man, having never gotten laid before, than wife up a lady who's absolutely contentious, who makes me want to sit in the corner of my roof, who makes me want to run out into the desert and die there.
Proverbs. 21, 19.
Exactly.
Indeed, dude.
Proverbs 21, 19.
I would rather be single for the rest of my life because that is, that sounds so much better.
I don't think that, I think this is becoming more of a man's view in this day and time.
My son is 18 and I was like, you don't want to have a girlfriend?
He's like, I don't want to invest time and money and everything in a girl that I don't want to marry that's been with all my friends.
And he's in high school.
Exactly.
And I don't think people realize this is going to become extremely common where men, like generally speaking, in their nature, don't really need other people with them.
I mean, humans in general are community like beings.
So like I can go to church.
I have my boys at church.
Being Single for the Rest of Life00:12:33
Like that's my community.
I don't need to have a wife.
I definitely want one, but I don't need it.
Whereas women in general, psychologically, sociologically, they need that partner.
And when we find women who are single in their 50s and 60s, they are crushed.
And because they don't have the tools and the ability and the God-given ability in their nature to be able to be single.
Whereas we do.
And that's going to become very apparent in the decades to come.
Well, I would agree with that because I think exactly that point is like women, we have a need for that companionship because that's what we were made for.
We were made to be a companion to man.
You know, where like man was made first and then we were made up of it.
But women are morphing.
Women are morphing into something that is unrecognizable in this guy and it's not adaption, right?
No, it's not adaption.
It's not adapting.
It's immorality.
100%.
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I've posted like a thousand hate messages I've gotten.
It's insane.
Put it on behind the scenes.
Scroll up, up behind the scenes.
Yeah, just put a.
I post behind the scenes.
I posted, you know, if you want to see me ranting about all the bullshit that, like, you can even scroll up, like, scroll up, scroll up, just so they can get a little taste.
Up, up, up.
Yeah, that girl lied, by the way, about her.
Keep going up, up, up.
Just blast it.
Blast it.
I post a bunch of shit on there.
Check it out.
Discord.gg/slash whatever.
And that's it.
Okay, so back to the show.
Here, Mason, can you read this for me?
Actually, you know what?
Can you read this, Molly?
Most churches won't bless a union without legal certificate.
Plus, over time, common law will apply.
Government duty is to protect but benefits from divorce by separating homes to increase consumption.
I'm guessing by separating homes to so common law marriage doesn't kick in in every state.
So even if you do the things that would trigger common law marriage in other states, if you're not in a common law married state, there is no common law marriage regardless of your behavior or conduct.
Let's see.
But yeah, I take your word for it.
I would assume probably, yeah, most churches are not going to be.
I don't know if it's most churches, but they won't bless the union without a legal certificate.
I see Rachel.
Hey, shout out Rachel Wilson in the chat.
Shout out Rachel Wilson.
Oh my God, the chat is on fire, Rachel Wilson.
Hey, Rachel Wilson.
Let's get you back out here.
We need to get you back out here, Pronto Tonto.
April, late April.
Dating Wealthy Women Preferences00:07:14
May.
Let's make it happen, Rachel.
Back by popular demand.
Rachel Wilson in the building.
Bring her back, boys.
Bring her back.
You know what?
And let's see.
Let's see if there's anything else.
Self-promote their OnlyFans.
Only one of the panelists has OF.
I'm not sure what you're.
He's talking about the nine girls.
Yeah.
The nine girls.
The ones who are further away.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're better than that.
Yeah, no.
Yeah.
That was kind of, it was unfortunate, though, because, I mean, obviously, we put a lot of time into the production, planning.
My staff was there.
They're getting their day rate.
So, anyways, where was I?
I totally forgot.
I don't know.
Maybe we'll do some stuff from the questionnaire.
What is the minimum yearly income to some of you are dating people and married or whatever?
So, what is the minimum yearly income to be your future husband?
I don't really have like a minimum or maximum.
It's just what, like, if he makes X amount, just you have to make your lifestyle fit into that.
And I would.
So, if he made a million dollars or if he made like teacher salary, like, I don't know, 20,000.
For me, it's pretty much like if I'm having to work, you need to be making more than me.
So, like, for me, I bring in about like 100K.
So, for me, I would want to date someone who's making the same in a I said 150, but my husband makes more than I said 150, but my husband makes more than that.
Okay.
So, what about you?
I said 300.
I'm in a very expensive area of LA.
And what part?
West Valley.
Okay.
West West.
Is the guy you're currently dating?
Does he make that much?
I have never asked, but I.
Well, what's he do for work?
It's a salary around that or more.
Yeah, I mean, you don't have to ask, but I mean, if the guy's a doctor, he's probably not making $20,000 a year.
Okay, well, a little bit.
I mean, but you make good money, right?
So.
It's hard.
It's hard.
I mean, what do I do with someone that's making $75 in LA?
That's rent.
You'd be a sugar mama.
Absolutely not.
A little sugar mama.
I'm sorry.
That doesn't, that does nothing for me downstairs.
It's downstairs?
That's great.
Well, the loins.
Well, it doesn't make anything happen.
No carnal knowledge.
No, there will be zero carnal knowledge.
I wonder if I'm a gold digger.
Just kidding.
I was going to say it's...
Goodness.
Like, you know, if she's a billionaire, that does something in the loins for me.
I would be able to overlook that.
But like, I'll date a broke girl.
Like, I'll date a girl.
Like I said, I did date a girl who worked at Chick-fil-A.
I would date a girl who worked at Chick-fil-A.
Don't care about the woman's money whatsoever.
I've lied my profession.
I've lied about my profession because I feel like it intimidates a lot of people.
I don't let them pick me up at my house.
Oh.
Because if they come to my house, I wouldn't be like, I don't understand that though.
I don't know if men are intimidated by women who make more money.
I just, maybe they think it can be suboptimal in certain ways or like the character needed to be successful in business or making a lot of money.
Typically, those traits don't tend to be feminine traits.
But like for me, it would never be about like, I would have no qualms dating a woman who makes more money than me.
But there would be some questions as to like, okay, well, to make more money than me, like, would this be an alignment of what I'm looking for in a woman?
But I would never be intimidated.
I would just.
Some guys are.
A lot of men are.
Yeah.
Maybe they are.
In their head, they start stacking chips.
You know what I mean?
I mean, if I was like making average amount of money and like a really wealthy woman wanted to date me, like assuming she doesn't have all the defects that may come with hyper success, that seems like it would be kind of a good thing.
I mean, I feel like it kind of would depend on like how it translates to home life if you're talking about like that.
That's true.
Yeah, that is another consideration, too.
Like my oldest sister, she owns her own company.
Like she's very dominant in her work world.
Like she's the boss.
But then when she's home, even though like she makes more than her husband, like she's submissive at home.
Like, you know what I mean?
So she falls into that role at home.
She doesn't let that carry over.
But I know like there's some women who they don't know how to step out of that.
So like when they come home, they feel like they're still the boss.
And like you can't obviously do that when you're in a marriage.
Like you have to.
Yeah, I mean, even if the woman makes more money, you can still be the man in the relationship.
You can still lead.
Right.
But it can complicate it.
It can muddy the waters a bit.
It kind of depends, I think, more so where the woman's at.
Because it's like, I don't know, if I was dating a woman who had a private jet, like it's her private jet, but it's my private jet.
Like she has to understand that light tank.
She has to understand that, you know, she's got to, you know.
What's hers is hers and what's hers is yours.
Sort of, I guess, but it's like, look, it's your jet, but like, I got you.
Like, we're in the jet.
I got, you know, I got you.
Oh, my God.
I'm so cringe.
I would have a very hard time moving a man into my house because I feel like that would emasculate him.
I think I'd want to, I would rather get a smaller house together.
Well, I mean, like, for example, let's say, like, and also I'm not really, I don't really believe in like big purchases or whatever, like flashy stuff.
So, like, I don't really care about having like a fancy car or whatever.
But, like, let's say I was dating a girl, I don't know, who made more than me, and she had a Ferrari.
She's not driving the Ferrari.
Like, if we're going somewhere, I'm driving her Ferrari.
I'm driving.
Yeah, yes.
She's a passenger princess 100% of the time.
Yeah, no, so anytime I see a couple driving a car and the woman's driving, I lose so much respect for the man.
Yeah, you know, like even if she, like, let's say she makes more money than me and she has a nicer car than me and we're driving somewhere and it's your Ferrari.
Exactly.
Well, it doesn't.
I'm driving the car.
We always pick my car, but my husband.
I'm driving the.
I'm always driving the car.
Anyways.
Driving Respect and Body Counts00:17:07
Okay, so how tall are you?
How tall are you?
And what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
I'm 5'2 and I guess maybe 5'5, just taller than me.
Okay.
I'm 5'7, so I would probably do like 5'10.
Okay.
5'8 and I would say 5'10.
5'8, 5'11 minimum.
Tiffany, can you close the back door?
Just the back door for now.
Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
A man.
Bear.
Man.
Man.
Why do you pick bear?
Because I feel like men are more unpredictable than bears.
Like, I know the protocol of what to do if I see a bear.
Men, it's, I don't know.
You just never know what to do.
Don't you like that?
Don't you walk past men?
You're talking about in the wilderness.
If I'm just out in the wilderness, I'm walking.
Like, no, on a hike.
So this would assume it's like a hiking trail.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah.
So it wouldn't be like...
No, but if you're on a hiking trail, it's not implausible that you're going to pass people, right?
So it's not just like you're out in the sticks in the fucking middle of the woods.
That's where my mind went, though.
So, okay.
Yeah, no, but a hike.
I mean, you could technically be hiking middle of nowhere, but you could also be on a hiking trail.
But it could be a situation where you haven't passed someone.
Like, there's not a bunch of people around.
So you are in that moment.
It is a place where you could come across somebody, reasonably expect to pass somebody, but there's nobody else around.
I mean, I also do still feel like I would be more likely to be killed by a man than like a bear.
Like, look at all those hatchet wheels.
Wait, aren't you a massage killer?
Wait, aren't you?
I would be a little scared.
You're a massage therapist, right?
Yeah.
Aren't some of your clients men?
Yeah, a lot.
Do you do out-call?
I do.
Do you do in-call?
I do.
Do you have a massage studio or a massage space?
I do work in a resort.
But is it...
But there's like protocols I have in place to protect my safety.
Like if I'm at the resort, we have like buttons in the tables where it's like if I'm uncomfortable, I can hit that management come in.
If I do mobile massage, like I have, I send my location to like my family members before I go there.
So then if I'm not done or they don't respond, I don't respond after they know where to go.
Have you had an inappropriate?
This is my first massage.
Oh, really?
Really?
Yeah.
How long have you been doing massage?
About four and a half years.
And like, so you only had one, though.
Well, bad luck, I guess.
I felt like it was like the universe were like God testing me.
Like, do you really want to do this?
So, like, I'm going to give you the ultimate test.
Can you handle a weirdo?
But I mean, you've done all these massages.
You massage women, you massage men.
And aside from the one, you haven't had, sounds like bad encounters, really.
So, okay, I'm not going to dig in on the bare thing.
We do have on a scale of zero to ten, rate your own looks.
Face, body, total.
Can't pick seven.
Five.
Okay.
Eight.
Eight.
Okay.
Six.
Remember the six.
I put two general population six, age group eight.
Wait, hold on.
General population six, age group eight.
Yes.
Okay, I see.
Mason, what about you?
Eight.
I give myself a 4.5.
Yeah, I got to lose some weight, boys.
I've been trying, man.
I don't know what the fuck.
You need to go with Mason to the gym.
Jim Bros.
No, it's the diet.
It's just the diet.
It's the diet.
It's eight parts.
It's fat food.
100%.
It's a diet.
It's fucking hard.
I'm working on the.
You know, I was thinking about this, though.
I was watching this video.
I don't know if any of you guys watch Asmund Gold.
Asmund Gold was streaming earlier today and he's reacting to a clip.
There was a fat acceptance.
What was it called?
It was like a fat acceptance convention.
So fat people go to this event, this convention, and it's like fat acceptance and like fat reclamation.
I'm trying to remember what it was, but like, and I don't know, like some people say, Brian, who are you to like say these things?
Because you're kind of, you're, you're overweight, you're chubby.
But it's like, I know it, and I don't cope about it.
It's like, for example, I can sit here, and I think a lot of women don't have this degree of self-awareness.
Like, so I can sit here and say, I believe I'm overweight.
I know I'm overweight.
I know I'm chubby.
I know I need to lose weight.
I know it's unhealthy.
I know that women would find me more attractive if I weighed less, if I had a more fit body.
And, but, but it seems like women will like you can't criticize women.
Does that make sense?
The body positivity movement.
Like, like, women will cope.
Like, there's, I think there's a difference between me saying, I know I'm overweight.
I need to lose weight.
It's unhealthy.
It's bad.
I look less attractive.
I look like a piece of shit.
Damn.
I mean, that's what I was thinking when he walked up today.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, obviously.
And I know that it has a negative impact on my dating prospects.
And I know that women are going to assess me as less attractive.
But like, I feel like you would, I don't know if you'd have to be like a dentist pulling teeth to get a woman to say that.
Like, I think overweight women, I'm not saying all of them, but I think overweight women would never say what I just said.
No.
No, they would not.
They would not.
Like, it would be massive coping.
I'm extremely overweight.
I'm beautiful the way I am.
Yeah.
You know?
So I don't know.
Maybe I'm special.
Chat.
What do you guys think?
What do you think, chat?
Do men cope about it?
Like, I feel like most men, if they're fat, they're like, yeah, I'm fat.
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Women are definitely, yeah, I'm fat.
Women.
Like, I don't know.
Right, Chad?
I don't know.
I mean, like, I used to be 300 pounds, and like, it wasn't until after I lost weight where I was like, okay, like, I understand, like, with my ex, because I was bigger when I was with him.
Like, obviously, I'm not excusing him cheating, but at the same time, like, you know, if I want someone to honor me, I have to be in my best self as well.
And if I'm not in my best self and I'm not matching my partner in that way, like, it's kind of is a matter of time before something strays because you're not like equally yoked in that way.
For sure.
I think maybe for women is if they've had children, they feel justified by it.
Like, this is my new mom bod.
Like, love me the way I am.
I gave birth to children.
Yes, you did give birth, but you can do a lot to still take care of yourself.
Yeah, but women can be overweight, absent having children.
And most, like, when I was looking at the clips from this fat acceptance convention, my impression was not these are moms, these are women who've had children.
These were just obese women, and there's just massive amounts of cope.
Do they have blue hair and purple hair?
They looked woke and liberal, I guess, but heavy piercings on this.
I mean, well, look, I think that's a good idea.
Lots of septum piercings.
I mean, look, I think, yeah, obviously, when you're a woman, you have pregnant, or when you're a woman and you're pregnant, you're, you know, you're going to put on some weight.
There's going, and then just like the expansion of your belly, that's going to, you know, maybe you get some, what's it called?
Scarring or whatever.
Stretch marks.
You get stretch marks.
Mom pooch.
You know, so the skin's going to could be looser.
So.
But it's, yeah, I mean, really, all this is, is just, it's easy to grab justifications for why you want to be lazy.
Like, in, I mean, I mean, I have this card I can play for the rest of my life.
In my motorcycle crash, I was supposed to be physically disabled for the rest of my life.
Like, I was in a wheelchair for two months.
And during those two months, I was in a wheelchair.
I did not stop going to the gym.
I would still go to the gym and I'd wheel myself into the 24-hour fitness.
And people are looking at me all weird.
Like, they've never seen somebody in a wheelchair wheel themselves into a gym.
And then I would jump onto the bench press and still outbench most of the guys there.
So that was nice.
But it's like, there's a difference between a person who makes excuses and gives those justifications for why they want to be lazy and someone who will claw tooth and nail to get out of the circumstance that they're in right then.
And the beginning stages of that is to be able to acknowledge: hey, I'm a fat, obese whale, and I need to lose all this weight.
That's when I can start working with somebody.
I agree.
Yeah.
By the way, Pasty George, I appreciate the Michael Jackson reference there.
Or no, wait, no, sorry, weird Al.
It was a weird Al cover of a Michael Jackson song, The Fat.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Said the vine bad.
Yes, I love that.
And W's in the chat for Pasty George.
Where have you been, man?
Good to see you.
Good to see you, Pasty.
Pasty Jorge is what we're calling you, our good Canadian friend there.
Okay, finishing, I guess, more on the questionnaire.
Damn.
I don't know if there's going to be much.
Ooh, okay.
Well, we do have, here, we'll do this.
Wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low-body count virgin women.
Jade, you agree.
And then Angelica, you agree.
So why do you think that is, I guess, if you guys want to, why is it wrong for a high-body count man to want a virgin woman?
Okay, I'll go with this.
For me, it's just more kind of like, okay, if you're out here just giving your seed to everybody, I'm not talking about just like, oh, like five, six people, whatever, like you're just out here hoeing.
And then you are holding this woman to a standard of like pretty much like loyalty and commitment that you can't even uphold yourself.
Like you have to be the standard that you also want.
So it's like, you know, if you're going to have a 50 body count, that's crazy for you to say like you deal breaker have to.
And what do you, what do you think?
Same thing.
It's like you guys have had different values and different you're more likely, it doesn't cause, it's not causation, but it's probably correlated to a different kind of lifestyle that was had before.
Yeah, but so, okay, I guess let me frame it like this.
So let's say through a man's experience, he's dated a variety of women.
He's dated some women with low body counts, some women with high body counts.
We all want the best that we can get.
He's made a determination that it happens to be the, he believes, whether from his own experience or just what makes logical sense, that women who have had sex with less men, he believes that they make for better partners.
He believes that there's less of an STD risk.
He believes that this woman has a better ability to pair bonds with him.
And it's just his preference.
Seems like it'd be perfectly despite his own, let's say it was, I mean, past promiscuity.
He's just made a determination.
Yeah, the best wife for me would be a virgin, but he fucked 50 women before.
But I couldn't like the same kind of thing.
Like, how do I know, like, he's a partner I can trust if he's just willy-nilly just giving it to everybody?
Well, so let me make a clarification here.
A woman who's a virgin, I'm not saying a woman who's a virgin has to or should date a guy who has, she can make her own determinations and have her own preferences on that.
And if a woman doesn't want to date a guy who has a promiscuous past, I don't have a double standard.
I think that's totally fine.
I do think women tend to care less about a man's past, if he was promiscuous or he was a playboy.
There's a couple reasons for that.
But I don't, there's not a double standard.
Of course, if the woman doesn't want to date the guy, I'm not saying like, okay, the woman who's a virgin has to date the guy who has a past.
Of course not.
She can be discerning and she could reject him.
But I don't see an actual issue with a guy who has a past wanting to date the woman who doesn't have one.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, we can all just want what we want.
We all have those preferences and that's absolutely fine.
It's just more like if you're kind of like, I don't want to say like looking down.
I mean, I guess yeah, looking down on someone who does have a higher body count, but you're doing the same thing.
So it just feels a little hypocritical in a way.
Where it's like, for instance, like he has a no body count, right?
Like, and you just said like he should probably have someone that's like lower as well.
Like you're not going to probably put on some girl who has 30 bodies and be like, come get Mason.
Like you're deserving of him because like that's.
Yeah, sure.
But so in a situation, let's say there's a guy who he slept with 40 women and he was like, you know what?
I've dated some women who have had quite an extensive history.
I've also dated some women with limited or no experience.
And he's like, I prefer that.
Do you think it's wrong of him?
By the way, I'm not saying the women with low or no experience have to date him.
I'm just saying, is it wrong for him to do something like this?
Well, I'm going to almost exclusively look out for women with low body counts or no body count.
Well, no, I think everyone's open to their preference.
I think it is a little bit hypocritical because you contributed to those women's body counts.
And now you're looking for something that you haven't touched.
So you're contributing to the problem that you don't prefer.
Why are you doing that?
Well, I mean, even if it is the case that the man contributed, I don't see why this should prevent him from having a preference on this particular issue.
Are we talking like also like preference or like deal breaker too?
Because I do like, you know what I mean?
Like I understand like a preferencing because we all have preferences.
Well, I mean, I understand that a man who he himself has had a promiscuous past or he's slept with many women and he is open to dating a virgin or open to dating a low body count woman, but he might also be open to dating a woman who's slept with 10, 20, 30 men.
So I suppose it could not be a deal breaker for him, but I guess I'm talking specifically about a guy who has a high body count who's only going after women with low body.
Like that's just one of his, that's one of, sure, it's a deal breaker.
Yeah, well, that's where I just feel like it's just hypocritical.
He's not wrong for his own preference, you know, but I do think it is wrong.
Well, is it hypocritical for broke women to find billionaire men attractive?
I mean, it's not wrong for them to find them attractive, but like if you're, like you said, someone who's broke and you're only like, I'm only dating a billionaire, like I don't think that's right either because like you should be trying to elevate and or at least meet your person like, like you should be at your best self.
So well, if we're talking about should, so then you're saying that a woman should only date a guy that she makes just like she has to make just as much money as him in order to get a better job.
Not just as much, but it's more like, I don't feel like it's right for you to be broke and be like, okay, well, now I'm about to go get with this billionaire and like, you know, pretty much come up off of him and add nothing to that.
Okay, well, do you find professional athletes attractive?
I mean, yeah.
Are you a professional athlete?
I'm not a professional.
Have you ever been a professional athlete?
Taboo Virginity Desires00:12:46
But I probably wouldn't date a person.
Did you play, were you like JV in high school?
I played varsity and college basketball.
Oh, varsity in college?
Varsity in high school and then college basketball.
Women's basketball, though.
But yeah, ultimately, though, this idea that I guess I would frame it like this.
I don't believe that in order to desire a trait in a partner, I don't believe you need to possess said trait.
So in this case, the man who he slept with a bunch of women, the trait that he wants in a woman is either it's chastity, it's purity, it's low promiscuity, no promiscuity, virgin, low body count.
He doesn't possess that trait, but he wants it.
I don't think it makes him a hypocrite in the same way that women desire all kinds of traits in men that they themselves don't possess.
A woman, like I don't think it's hypocritical, for example, for a woman to be attracted to and want to date a guy who's confident if she doesn't have confidence.
I don't think it's hypocritical for a woman who isn't funny at all to find attractive and want to date a guy who's funny.
It's all women.
Yeah, which is pretty much all women.
I'm letting the motorcycles go by.
I don't think it's wrong for a woman who is dull to find men who are very charismatic, attractive.
Like, I don't think like confidence, charisma, humor, these are all things that I think women are very much attracted to.
It's never stopped an unfunny, dull, lacking in confidence woman from dating those men or finding those men attractive.
Like, no woman is like, hmm, I'm not very funny.
I shouldn't date this funny guy because it would be unfair to him.
I mean, I think it's always like hard to generalize in general.
Like, like, oh, it's wrong for them to want that one you're talking about, a general sense, but if it's controversial.
I think it's also like if that man who is desiring this like virgin is almost, who has a high body count, is almost saying like if they're talking down to women who have a higher body count like you're dirty, you're a whore, this and that's like well, it's taboo.
Not being funny that's how I say.
It's hypocritical, not being charismatic isn't taboo if they're openly like putting down women who have higher body counts like you're gross, you're disgusting, you're a whore.
It's like okay, but you are yeah, but you're, you're smuggling, you're smuggling in something that wasn't even suggested.
So there doesn't have to be a component of degradation to have the preference.
The man could just be like, uh look, I think that women who have little or no sexual history uh, make for better partners.
They're more attractive, they're less likely to have an std, all the positive characteristics that are associated with it.
Um I, I don't think it necessarily has to be.
I mean, you could have a private judgment like.
You could be like okay, you could be a guy who's fucked a hundred women and women can think that that's gross that you did that.
And you could think that I, as the man in that situation, I would think it's gross that the woman fucked a hundred men.
I don't see the problem with it, though even if they're, the judgment exists, the preference is still valid.
So, like i'm not okay, it is a man who's fucked a hundred women is he beholden to?
He can only date women who fucked a lot of men too.
No, no right.
But let's say you find your dream girl.
Yeah, your dream girl exists out there somewhere.
You're her dream guy.
It's fireworks and magic, and you're about to have this beautiful one of seven children.
Yeah um, and you later find out that she's a hoe.
Yeah well, how do you feel now?
Because you vetted her, you're a bar, I would have.
So she well, part of my girlfriend application.
I asked the body count so I would have known from the get-go, but she could lie to you.
Well then, now I have two issues with her.
She lied, she deceived me, she lied, she induced me into a relationship without my consent.
Uh, kind of a little, you know, a little weird that um, most and should about.
Well, Men should not lie about a lot of things too, but nobody should lie.
But she also has the high body count.
I don't know, bro.
It's probably the end of the relationship, honestly.
I have never answered that twofold.
No good can come of it.
If it is high, I'm automatically judged.
And if it is low, I'm a prize to be won.
And I don't want either of those.
Wait, but hold on.
Don't you...
Wait, when you're dating, you want to put your best foot forward.
If I'm 18, 19, 20 years old, yes.
No, even if you're...
Hold on.
No, when you're dating, regardless of age, you want to put your best foot forward.
If there is something about you, a characteristic or trait or what have you, that is appealing to men or is something desirous to men.
I don't see how it'd be to your detriment.
I'm being objectified because now I'm a prize to be won.
It's a thing.
Well, hold on.
A prize to be.
Okay, so you tell a man, but I don't understand.
You're objectifying me.
How would it be objectified?
If I tell you, oh, my body counts as two.
Yeah, I'm a private.
That would not be objectification.
That would be, you possess a positive trait that, like, okay, what if it's a private implication?
Wait, wait, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
What if a guy wants a woman who likes to read books and you disclose to him that you read books and he's like more attracted to you because you read books?
Are you a prize to be one?
Is he a private person?
No, that's objectifying you?
No, that's not objectifying me because that is not a taboo subject.
That is not a subject of purity, a badge of honor.
Well, I don't see why the teachers are.
Men wear that like a badge of honor.
That's why they ask purity.
They wear it like a badge of honor.
It's a badge of honor?
Yes.
How many you know, you have this person to say they cracked about it?
Like, I got a girl that's, you know, she's 30 and she's only had two bodies.
Like, I got a good one.
Like, that's a badge of honor for you.
When do you go, oh, yeah, my girl likes to read books?
Yeah.
You don't do that.
Well, I mean, I was giving sort of a unique.
But it's a badge of honor.
That's why it's being objectified, in my opinion.
I think there's plenty of scenarios, maybe not the book thing, but I also think I would actually like it, to be honest, if a girl read books.
One of the girls, the Samantha girl who was supposed to be on the show, she actually apparently, at like the age of, I think she's in her 23, 22, she had only read her first book in 2024.
Whereas like, like at 18, or no, she must have been 20.
And I'm like, that's kind of sad.
Like, you're supposed to read books in school.
Like, what the fuck?
But so I actually would find the book thing kind of appealing, but so, sorry, restate your thing.
It's taboo because it's private information.
You're not going to go around parading to people that your girl only has two bodies.
I wouldn't even.
But if you're so proud, you know, hey, we get along really well.
We've both read The Tempest by Shakespeare together again.
You know, that's something that you can share with other people.
Well, hold on, but it's not an ego thing.
Internal ego, absolutely.
Well, it depends what we mean by ego, but first off, I'm not sharing details about my girlfriend with my friends like that.
Right, because it's private information.
Right, so it wouldn't be a badge of badge of honor.
It's your ego.
It's stroking your own ego that you have somebody.
So, wait, it's wrong to desire things that you find positive in a partner?
That's not wrong to desire that.
The reasoning of why you ask that is to stroke your ego.
Wait, I don't understand.
So, like you have a prize to be won, someone that's untouched.
Well, for body too, she's untouched.
I mean, except for him.
He has all the right to do that because he is untouched.
Someone that's 500 people, it's they don't have to be aware of that.
What is it?
Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black?
No, So, again, you don't need to possess the trait to desire or want the trait.
Well, that's a taboo trait.
It's a controversial trait.
I don't see, hold on, I don't see how it's taboo because it's taboo because there's judgment.
You immediately have judgment.
Are you going to judge someone because they like books?
Are you going to judge someone because they like to swim?
Are you going to judge someone because they like to dance?
Are you going to judge someone for another trait?
I agree with this point here.
The reason we make that judgment is because there are a ton of negative outcomes that come from a woman who has slept with a lot of guys.
That's not a trait.
It's a lifestyle.
Yeah, yeah.
Correlation.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know.
I would argue it could be causation.
Correlation does not negate causation.
So I would say, I mean, probably a causal factor to them being a bad wife is that she has slept with a ton of guys.
Now, I'm not saying that every single woman who has slept with a ton of guys is a bad wife because there is a woman out there.
I know she's an incredible wife, and she's slept with way too many men.
But it's because she has beaten herself up for having done that, and she's worked extremely hard to get out from that situation.
So I'm not saying that it can occur, but the sleeping with a ton of guys has caused, it is a cause for very terrible traits.
And to eliminate those, hey, I'm just going to find a lady who hasn't, even though I have.
Right.
So when you're vetting your person, all of those negative traits will come out without having to ask that.
But I could just make it easier by asking the hard question immediately or very soon.
You, yes, I think you can.
You have earned your right.
Well, no, so even say, like, I had slept with 50 people.
I want to rip, I want to know all these stuff.
I want to know all this stuff quickly because I don't want to invest my time, get that emotional attachment to this person just to find this later on down the road.
And the heart and the decision to end things is going to be infinitely harder.
Whereas I could have just asked this question early on, figured it out, and been like, this just isn't for me.
I'm sorry.
And I also feel like at the end of the day, if you guys have that big of a disagreeance on body count, like friends like you feel like it's that important and I don't, and like, that's your deal, Breaker.
Okay, well, then you probably admit to, you know, exactly.
Which is why we need to, you probably should ask that question, figure that out pretty quickly.
But even if I did have 50 bodies, it's probably good.
Like, I mean, I can make the determination, okay, a woman who has as few bodies as possible, hopefully a virgin.
Like, I know that they're not going to have that baggage that I know comes with having a bunch of bodies.
So that is my preference.
That is what I'm going to choose.
And I'm going to probably sort through all of the women.
I'm going to sort through the women that have all those bodies.
I'm going to sort them out.
And I'm going to pick out the ones that do have very low body counts.
I think there's nothing wrong if a guy has fucked a bunch of chicks and he's like, you know what?
I've seen what's out there.
And it happens to be the case that the women with a low body count, I find them more attractive, less likely to have an STD, more desirable, etc., etc., etc.
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Nothing wrong if he wants, he could have slept with 50 women, 100 women.
Now, I'm not saying he's going to get her.
Maybe she doesn't want to date him.
I'm not saying the woman should date him.
I'm just saying it's fine if he, in his determination, has said this type of woman is more attractive, therefore I want to date her.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I married him.
The strumpet.
Your husband is a playboy.
He was a wild horn dog.
He was a horn.
Oh boy.
I didn't know it till I married him.
Man, though, you turned him good.
Where's he from?
Tennessee?
He's from Helena, Arkansas.
Oh, you got them.
Arkansas, boy.
I'll tell you what.
Them men from Arkansas, they're known for getting their saw.
We had been married a couple of weeks, and I asked him, and he goes, What's yours?
And I told him, and I said, What's yours?
He goes, No.
And I was like, What do you mean, no?
He goes, Not telling you.
And then he finally did decide to tell me, but he couldn't remember.
So he carried around a little pad for a few days, putting tally marks on it.
And when we got to like, I don't even remember, but it was just this ridiculous thing.
Was it three figures?
Like 100 plus?
It was a lot of hoes that Hayden did in Arkansas.
And I looked at him and I said, Stop.
Stop.
I can't.
She can't do it.
We're going to let it go.
I've already done it.
We're married.
Damn.
To this day, it's a joke around the house.
It's blessed.
You have stepchildren you haven't even met.
Probably.
Probably so.
I probably have adults and stepchildren somewhere.
Well, I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what, man.
I'm just saying, look, I don't see a problem with a man who's been around the block wanting a little southern virgin woman.
I don't see a problem with that.
I was not a virgin.
I didn't have a six-year-old.
I'm not talking about.
Well, I'm not talking about you, but I'm just saying, look, I don't think there's a problem.
Ultimately, though, the thing is, is that men don't want to marry the town bicycle.
Let me tell you that much.
Yeah, us men, we don't want the town bicycle.
We want a woman of good virtue and character, purity.
We don't want no town bicycle.
I'll tell you what, because she's been ridden by everybody.
Brian, why do you and I keep going down this line of weird noises together?
Hold on.
What if the town bicycle is a Ferrari?
I could do like an Italian.
I could do like a New Jersey.
I could do a New York.
What's one I was thinking about doing?
I could do like kind of an upper crusty British accent that I used to annoy Tiffany with.
Tiffany, yeah.
Gets me my loafers.
Trump, chop.
Dia.
What else do I know?
I can do southern.
I can do, hmm, what else?
I don't know.
Fuck it.
Anyways.
Let's see.
What else on the questionnaire?
What else on the questionnaire?
We have from Dana.
Yes, sir.
Wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex.
And you did write, depends on why.
Depends on why.
So, yes, of course.
I mean, so let's rule out some extremes.
She's not, she doesn't have a terminal illness.
She's not ill.
She doesn't have health problems, like severe health problems.
Abstinence.
But, oh, DPG.
Oh, my God.
This guy's a fucking legend.
Been a while.
Howdy, Brian.
W stream, cheers.
Oh, my goodness.
Guys, I need to see W's in chat for D, P, G thing.
This guy's a fucking legend.
Any single ladies?
Actually, no.
None of you are single.
Well, you're single.
See, I'm trying to be.
I'm trying to wingman for DPG.
I'm trying to get him some baddies.
So DPG, where you live, bro?
You're going to the North?
Because she will be single in a couple months, right?
She's playing the breakup.
Wait, how?
Because you really...
I don't have an age cap, though.
No, no, he's like in his 30s.
Don't worry about it.
No, he's like 37.
But so.
When are you moving to North Carolina?
December.
Oh, okay.
So like in eight months.
All right, DPG, where you live in, DPG?
It's the lighting, to be honest.
He's 37.
Where you live, DPG?
Because I got you, bro.
I'm hooking it up.
Do you like white guys?
I mean, I don't like...
I wouldn't say no.
I have a preference of like letting me.
He saved me from a bear once.
He'll protect you.
He will protect you.
Right and tough, white boy.
Like, I can't do like a tech, bro.
No, he's rough and tough.
Okay.
He's got guns.
Nice.
He was back.
He was in high school.
He won a county in JV wrestling.
Yeah.
County, county.
Love it.
And he's got money.
He's got moolah.
So, DPG.
Big alpha?
Huh?
Big alpha?
Yeah, like a big energy.
I don't like the alpha beta thing, but it's just to get to the point.
He is an alpha male.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Big time alpha male.
He's even a sigma male.
Goodness gracious.
And he's apex.
Apex predator.
Apex predator.
Can Brian do a Yoda impression?
DPG already has a girl.
Oh, he's got a girl.
Okay.
Well, if you're.
I don't know if you're trying to do like an Andrew Tate, like multiple wives thing, DPG thing.
We don't share.
We don't have to share over here.
Question for you, though.
For your perfect man, rich, everything, like all the traits that you care about, maximized personality, perfect for you, money, richest man in the world, perfect everything.
Perfect in bed, perfect body, perfect everything.
Would you share him?
No.
Okay.
All right.
Deal breaker.
Yeah.
That would be normal.
I think a good amount of women would share.
A lot of women would.
A lot of women would share.
Yeah, the Newport, Newport Coast Moms.
They go in there, they walk in.
Oh, I didn't see nothing.
I didn't see nothing.
Yoda.
A lot of people will do that.
I cannot do a pasty.
I cannot do a Yoda impression.
I don't know how to do it.
I can't do it.
Yeah.
What do I know?
I can do the British one, the kind of Italian.
I can do like a Southern.
Shit, what else?
Can I do?
I'd like to learn how to do a Vietnamese accent.
Like a fresh off-the-box.
Dangerous one to be going.
Fresh off the boat, Vietnamese female.
Go to a nail salon.
I need to fucking quick.
Bro, I need to just go.
I want to hire a Vietnamese lady to read the messages so she can do it in the Vietnamese voice.
The girl that does my...
I can.
Oh, my God.
That's bluff.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, boy.
That's a dangerous road to go down.
Oh, shit.
For sure.
Pasty carnal knowledge.
Yikes, bro.
Yikes.
Bro, you're not supposed to eat.
By the way, George, you are not supposed to eat bears because apparently, even if you cook it, they have like, I think, a parasite or something.
No, you have to cook it.
Like, it's a higher temperature it has to reach before you can eat it.
Have you had bear, Mason?
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Possibly.
Hey, hunting is fun.
I did hear, though, like, you can die from that shit.
Oh, yeah, you can.
If you don't cook it well enough, you can't die from it.
But it's like, it is actually pretty damn good.
Have you had kangaroo?
I have not had kangaroo.
I would try.
Hera tastes like camber.
Honestly, I would try.
Hera tastes good.
Fuck kangaroos too.
They're kind of dicks.
Okay.
Wait, so hold on.
The question is, though, wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex.
Where did we?
It was me.
I said it depends.
It depends on the situation.
Oh, well, let's not use any extremes.
Like, let's just say it's like the typical.
Oh, if you don't want to do it, then yeah.
I mean, if there's no reason you're just like, no, not tonight.
Then I mean, yeah, I get it.
You would probably end up getting dumb to be able to do it.
Well, I think it's okay, like in individual instances to just not be in the mood.
And like, that's okay.
Yeah.
But if it's like, but yeah, it's more like if there's a pattern.
Like, I don't think you've been dating a girl for three years and she doesn't want to fuck once.
Like, no, you shouldn't break up with her over that.
But like three months and she's like turning you down more often than she's having sex with you.
Pattern recognition, something's going on.
That's then I'm like.
I think I'm thinking from like the married standpoint, like I had some really bad surgery complications and it was a few months.
Oh, it's like if you're like physically like incapable or you're in pain or you're recovering, that's different.
That's different.
But we're talking like she's able-bodied and she's just like, there's maybe a mismatch in desire or a mismatch in what's the not desire.
Libido.
Libido.
Then you got to cut that loose because that doesn't work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's see.
We have.
Dating is.
Jade.
You agree with the following statement.
Dating is harder for women.
Why is that?
Well, just speaking from my experience of like here, to be honest, because it's like Southern California compared to like where I'm moving to, where a lot of like some of my values of what like a relationship and marriage is is a little more aligned to over there because of those moral values.
Where I'm at in SoCal, it's just kind of like everybody's just trying to fuck everybody energy and that just like doesn't.
So it's harder for me to find someone because nobody wants to just be with one person and be loyal to that person.
Like they want that polyamorous or just that Playboy lifestyle.
So that's what I would say is like just if your environment doesn't match your values, it's harder.
Okay.
I also think that there's a lot of really good women out there versus like, at least for my demographic, then like some of the men.
There's a lot of good women.
No, but I feel like because there are more good women, then there are good men.
Like I think the way that men are becoming, which is like that passenger prince type of vibe, is kind of like what a lot of women are running into now.
And to me, like that's why it's harder because most women are looking for a man and that's just not really what's out there.
But like right now.
So men are not being men.
Yes.
Are women being women?
No, a lot of women are being men.
Like they're putting their money.
Oh, a lot of women are being children.
Tantruming little baby.
Oh, go off quick.
Yes.
Well, I think there's a degree of mutual inspiration.
So I don't want to place full blame on women.
I don't want to place full blame on men.
Well, certainly not that.
But I do think this might fall a bit more on women.
I'm not saying it's fully women.
I think that there's a lack, like for men to be men, there has to be, what are the incentives?
And it seems like there's not a lot of incentive for men.
And look, you can say the same for women, but there's a lacking of inspiration.
So, like, what would inspire a man to be a man?
And it's like, okay, I'm going to be this beacon of traditional values, and I'm going to be a beacon, a paragon.
I'm going to be a provider, and I'm going to be a protector, and I'm going to be the knight in shining armor.
I'm going to be the embodiment of virtue.
I'm going to be the embodiment of traditional gender roles.
And then they get onto the dating marketplace and they see promiscuous women blasted in tattoos, no offense, drug, drug addicts, and fucking alcoholics, and all this shit.
And it's like the women aren't holding up their end of the deal, I feel like.
They're ran through.
And it's like, why should I be a man?
Like, why should I be a man to this woman when, like, I don't know, why should I, for example, like, a lot of women have an expectation for men to protect.
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Why should I protect?
Why should I be willing?
And also, for question four, husband should be willing to die protecting you.
For all of you, you circled that, right?
And you're not wrong for circling that.
But I think to myself, like, if I got to die, the woman should at least be a virgin.
Oh, my.
Yeah.
Like, I think it's a bigger ask that for me to die or potentially die or have the willingness to die for you than for me to ask women or for my woman or a woman to be a virgin.
I don't think it's a big ask in the sense of I would be willing to die for my partner, for my husband.
Like, if that, if I had to take a bullet for my man, like, I'm going to take a bullet for my man.
Same way I would for my child.
Not all women think that, but I guess that adds some validity.
However, I would say that in a hypothetical scenario where only one of you dies, who should die?
Well, then that's like an imposter choice because I would never choose my husband to die.
My husband wouldn't let me.
He wouldn't.
He wouldn't let you.
No, he wouldn't let me be the one.
But who do you think?
Who do you think should be the one willing to die if one of you in a hypothetical has to die?
I can't answer that.
Okay.
What do you think?
I like someone comes into our house and enters our bedroom and no, it doesn't even have to be.
So, okay, the hypothetical is simply one of you has to die.
It could be one of you has to die, or I'm going to kill one of your children.
No, it's just supernatural.
So, like, the Grim Reaper appears and is like, you guys can talk amongst each other.
You have to pick.
I'm taking one of your lives.
All of us or none.
No, my.
I would be like, this is how it would go.
Be like, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
And then finally, he would just push me out of the way and do it.
Like, I know our dynamic.
It would be both of us.
Like, I'm going to do it.
You know what I mean?
And then finally, he'd be like, no, it would be sit down.
And he would do it.
Okay, but would you want him?
I wouldn't want him to.
No.
I would try to do it, but you would try to do it.
I would, but he wouldn't let me.
How I read it is like if we're confronted on the street, like I do believe that a man should walk on the sidewalk side of the street for protection, all of that.
So if we're getting mugged.
Yeah.
Yes, I do expect him to protect me.
Okay, but so what do you think?
Can you repeat the question?
So, okay.
In a hypothetical scenario where the man or the woman has to die, which one do you think should take the death?
For me personally, I would do it.
You would do it?
I would do it.
Okay.
How about this?
Let me change the scenario a little bit.
You are on a boat and you see a boat in the distance.
Now, you're not able to intervene because the choppy seas or whatever.
You're on a boat.
You see a husband and a wife on that boat.
They don't have children.
There's one life preserver on their sinking boat.
There's no loopholes, by the way.
They can't hang on to each other.
They can't swim.
The outcome is pre-decided.
Only one of them can get the life preserver.
The other one will definitively die.
In that circumstance, they can, amongst each other, make a decision as to who gets a life preserver.
Which person would you more harshly judge for getting the life preserver?
So you see the man opting to wanting to survive and taking the life preserver, the woman dies, or the woman, they come to determination and the woman keeps the life preserver, the man dies.
Do you judge the woman more harshly or do you judge the man more harshly?
The man would get judged more harshly.
Yes, I agree with that.
And when I'm viewing it from a different perspective, the women should live because they can go on and carry life and do more.
Whoa, okay.
Hold on.
Before I respond, I'll get the other answers.
Like, in that circumstance, yes, I believe like a man would be judged harsher.
So a man would be judged harsh.
Well, would you judge harsher?
I would not, because like that's just a decision I could never make.
Okay, but you do acknowledge society would judge the man harsher.
But do you judge harsher, the man or the woman?
If it had nothing to do with me and it was just like if I had to pick one, just random people.
No, you don't pick who dies.
There's two scenarios.
Either the man is choosing to survive or the woman's choosing to survive.
The man should be the one to give it.
To give his life.
Yes.
Okay.
Now you said, do you think that men and women don't have equal inherent or moral value?
Moral value when it comes to which.
Well, if I recall, you said that the woman should get the life preserver because she can go on to have children and do more.
That's what you said.
Like basically procreate.
She can make society bigger.
Men's genetic material is necessary and needed to have children.
Yes, but one man can seed 500 females.
Okay, but so.
We need less men than we do women to carry the children.
It takes so many.
That's a macro level analysis here.
You would acknowledge...
I don't even understand the argument, to be honest, but so the woman could have kids so she's more valuable.
In that instance, yes.
Why would she be more valuable if men and women, if you have one man and one woman, do they have same value or does the woman have more value?
It depends the age and what they have.
They're both 25.
No kids.
Then she would probably have more value because she can go and find another man who could, then she could have children with her.
Okay, but that man can find a woman.
So, okay, she's.
That woman is already on the island and safe.
She's going to go find somebody else.
She's already procreating.
She doesn't need him.
Wait, what?
The woman that's already safe, if you save the man, if you save the man, the woman, you're saying that he can go find someone and procreate with her, but that woman was never in danger.
Oh, shit.
Sorry, I repeat that.
You're saying that she can, that the man, if he survives, he can go and find a woman and procreate with her.
But that woman was never in danger.
So why?
That woman, this is the lake, and this is where everybody else is in civilization.
She's talking about when you said you're watching the boat go down, you're the one woman, which one should she say?
Someone are judging more harshly, right?
I'm judging the man more harshly.
Why?
They're 25.
That's so incoherent.
I don't know what you're trying to say.
Okay, they're both 25 and they're on the boat, right?
Okay, your claim is the woman has more value.
I'm asking.
At 25, she has more value because she can go back into society and procreate and make children.
25-year-old men can't go back to society and procreate and have children.
Yes, he can, but.
So what's your argument?
That makes no sense.
The argument is that he would only go back into society to find a woman that was never in danger in the first place.
So she was already going to procreate with other men in society.
She didn't need that man on the boat.
What?
She's talking.
That's literally.
You're talking and you told her, pretend you're watching the water and you see a boat out there and there's two people on it.
She's talking about the woman that's watching this happen.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Okay.
She took the scenario you gave her.
What?
That's what she's talking about.
When you said you're watching the boat go down and there's a man and a woman and only one will survive.
When you were asking her which one should drown, she's taken when you said that into effect, but that's not part of it.
What?
Yeah.
That's still incoherent.
Yeah, it's not part of it.
It's just when you were trying to explain it.
You're talking about the viewer?
Yes.
Yes.
What?
That wouldn't change anything.
You're making zero sense.
Let me tell you, there's men and women on this boat.
There are two women and two men in society.
Where the fuck did I ever include that in the hypothetical?
Because the woman, you're saying the woman has been asking me, does the woman have more value?
And I said, in that scenario, yes, she does.
What scenario?
Okay.
When did I grant that there's...
Wait, what?
Hold on.
You told me there were 25.
You told me there were 25.
That's why.
I said, it depends.
Their age is 25.
Yes.
Why would that?
That's why she's more valuable at that age, because she's a childbearing age.
The man is also fertile at 25.
But the woman is the one that can actually make the baby with somebody else.
Okay.
But the man isn't carrying the child.
He's not the vessel.
But she still makes it.
Hold on.
But there's other.
Okay, there's other men who can give her seed, and there's other women who are the vessel.
Yeah.
But if you get rid of a, let's say there's only two people, two women left in your society that you're going back, okay?
But it was never granted in the hypothetical that this is wait, hold on.
So, wait, wait, wait.
That doesn't even.
Wait, wait, this is even using your backwards framework.
So, okay, let's say there's only four people alive.
Or wait, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
There's four people alive.
There's two men and two women.
That's getting so complicated.
Okay, so then why are men drafted into the army?
You're all over the place.
Hold on, wait.
That's the same logic that I'm stating.
Men are drafted into the army because society will go on more successfully if you protect the women and the children.
This works in like small tribal conflict.
It really doesn't map unless you're like having massive world wars.
Well, no, the reason men are just better soldiers absents reproduction.
Men are better soldiers.
Men are physically stronger than women.
Men are physically superior to women.
Yes.
That's why men are going to fight a war against like some other country.
I'm going to want to send my men because I know they're going to send their men.
I'm going to send my best versus their best.
Yes.
I'm not going to send ladies.
That's why we draft men.
There is a component when it comes to keeping women in the interior and protected.
There is a historical component when it comes to warfare.
It is true that when it comes to repopulating, if you get decimated in a war and repopulating your population, that yeah, like in that sense, like a given woman has more value in that sense.
But I'm talking about moral value, inherent value.
In a society, like there's billions of people currently alive.
So in this hypothetical scenario, the man goes back to society.
There's plenty of women he can impregnate.
The woman goes back to society.
There's plenty of men who can impregnate her.
Men and women have inherent equal value, equal moral value.
Okay, so where my mind went was if I had to pick one, because I have to pick one.
I have to pick one.
That's why it matters by age to me.
I have to pick one.
Okay, so if the woman is 50 and she can no longer have children, you pick the man.
They're both 50.
So the woman...
No.
Well, wait, hold on.
Women are basically infertile at 50.
Yes, I know.
That's what I'm saying.
The man can still bust nuts and get women pregnant at 50.
Okay, great.
So after.
At that point, there would be no judgment.
There would be no judgment.
Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, hold on.
You're going to actually, your logic here, you're actually going to have to say the moment any woman who's either infertile or doesn't have the capacity to have children or she's above a certain age, she has to die.
That would be the entailment of your position.
She has to die.
So any woman basically, you know, when she has no ability to die, she doesn't.
They have equal value.
She raises her moral value.
Wait, equal value?
But hold on.
Your whole argument is the ability to reproduce.
A man can reproduce into his 50s, 60s, and 70s.
So therefore, men like beyond the age of like 45 or I mean, women are not going to be able to get a lot of money.
Yeah, but they still don't need his seed.
There's plenty in society.
But then this would have to equally apply to the other women.
Other women have eggs.
So the logic is flawed.
Other women have eggs.
If she dies, I can go and impregnate other women with my seed.
If your seed is that desirable, then yes, I agree.
But it has nothing to do with.
There's plenty of other men willing to spread their seed already.
So, okay.
A given woman has opportunities for getting pregnant.
A man will have future opportunities to get women pregnant.
If there are.
If there are 100 women to one man, that one man, those 100 women don't need 100 men.
They only need one.
I totally agree.
So that's why.
Why does it have to do with any of that?
It has to do with, is that male really that critical in that scenario?
No.
He's not that adding that one more man from the boat isn't adding any more value because that one person could do all of it.
Right.
There's no dispute about the biological reality that eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.
There's no dispute there.
However, it wasn't granted in the hypothetical that this is some like reproduction.
No, but it wasn't granted in the hypothetical that it was some sort of like reproduction apocalypse where it's like this is the woman who is going to be responsible for like propagating the population society.
Correct.
But I had to give it a reason.
What would my reason be?
But it's.
I had to give it a reason.
Who in the hypothetical exists in the current state of affairs of the world, which is there's like 4 billion other women in the world.
There's 4 billion other men in the world.
The man can go and fuck a woman and get her pregnant.
The woman can go and get fucked and get pregnant.
I had to give it a reason because I don't have a choice.
Man More Valuable Than One Woman00:09:55
I have to pick something.
All right.
That's crazy.
Oh shit.
Oh my God.
I'm such a scumbag.
I was so bamboozled by your thing that I missed this.
Six minutes.
Sorry for that.
$10,000.
Mason, so glad you made it, brother.
Brian, it's homogeneity, the word from before.
Homogeneity, though.
Homogeneity.
That's it.
There's such a homo.
Homogeneity.
Homogeneity.
Yo, Timby, Indy, thank you, man.
You're fucking legend.
Tiffany, do you get me a champagne bottle?
Chop, chop.
Make it quick, yeah.
Quick, quick.
Yes, good job.
Then get me my loafers.
Indy, sorry, I missed the, that was like six, it came in six minutes ago.
Sorry, I was so zoned in.
I was so zoned in.
So can you get me?
Do you want...
Wait, how old are you?
Sorry.
Champagne?
Yes, please.
Champagne?
I'll take it.
All right, you'll take it.
I'll take it.
Two chains, five cups.
Wait, one, two, three, four.
Four cups.
Four cups, dear.
Thank you very much.
Let me open, see if I can open this.
Thank you, Tiffany.
Tiffany, pull up that super chat so Mollington can read it for us.
Go ahead.
Pull it up for Mollington.
For the Rachel comeback tour, men don't bail because a woman gains 200 pounds in a long relationship, but woman will bail if he steps out because she gains 200 pounds.
Make it make sense.
And if Rachel ever becomes single, I know a guy.
Bro, my Rachel.
Look, Rachel.
I think she's in the chat, by the way.
Rachel has a wonderful husband.
That's crazy that you gotta say that, Ryan.
And I'm fairly certain Rachel would bury herself with her husband.
You know what?
Not to be morbid here.
You know, that thing we were talking about earlier, where I was like, if a woman breaks up with me, I want her like on the food.
Like, if I take a Mississippi boat ride, I want her on the cliff crying every evening, waiting for me, hoping for me.
I feel like that's what Rachel would do.
I don't know if Rachel like starts dating again.
Like, I don't think she remarries.
I think she's just like, Rachel, chime in.
Yeah, let us know.
Yeah, let us know.
I think Rachel just like, I don't know if she becomes a nun or something.
I don't know, something like that.
I don't think she, I don't think that she like starts dating or remarries.
Like, I just think she's got a picture.
I feel like she does what the Steve Irwin's wife has done.
Just like nothing.
I've met my one true love.
That's it.
I'm done.
Rachel, confirm or deny.
Yeah, confirm or deny.
Yes, indeed.
Indeed, Rachel.
Indeed.
Indeed, Rachel.
Oh, no.
I don't know if I'm going to be able to open this one.
I do have a bodybuilder next to me, though.
This is true.
Wait, hold on.
You got this, Brian.
I believe in you.
I can do it.
It's fucking slippery, boys.
I got this, boys.
Okay, that's great.
I feel like this is.
Oh, he's got it.
He's got it.
Oh, no.
It's not.
Hello?
There we go.
A little, a little underwhelming, the pop on that.
Oh, it is.
We still got a pop.
Hey, we're slowly.
Yo, Indy, thank you very much, man.
I appreciate it.
All right, let me pour some liquor here for the fine folk.
The fine, fine folk.
Yeah, help me with the.
I got you.
Help me with the cuts.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
What are you doing, Mason?
What are you doing?
All right, pass it down.
Pass it down.
All right.
There we go.
Hey, fucking Indy.
Thank you, man.
Hey, Indy, I want to thank you, dude.
You're a G. Thanks, Indy.
Bro, today was a tough day for me.
Today was a rough day.
I need some champagne.
I need this.
Bro, today was rough.
Today was really rough.
I was stressed out, Indy.
So I appreciate your patronage, man.
And booze me up.
No, there's just one.
A little more for me there.
Okay.
All right.
Cheers.
Saloo to Indy.
I do say bingo.
Very nice.
Andrew has ruined me for all other men.
Nobody could ever compete with Andrew.
Exactly.
See?
Exactly.
Makes sense.
Yeah, I was saying earlier that, like, I would ideally want, you know, if I've been dating a girl for three months, that she should just be on the cliffside crying every evening, waiting for me to return from my voyage to the new world.
She should be waiting.
She shouldn't be dealing with some other dude.
Like, so I feel like Rachel, I don't know.
I honestly am.
I think she's just loyal to Andrew in perpetuity.
In perpetuity.
Good word.
In perpetuity.
That's a good one.
We got to bring that back.
Okay, we have.
Here, Mason, can you read this one for us?
Okay, I'll read it.
J-O-D.
Okay.
You serious panel, women literally want men to be their beat and bitch, I guess.
I guess, I'm sure.
And don't want back talk.
We get called sassy and women don't respect us.
They want us to obey them and let them do as they please.
This is true.
This is true.
That is the typical thing I'm doing.
I don't know.
Yeah, man.
Honestly, though, on that note, I think that the relationship works best when the woman is more into you than you're into the woman.
I could say that.
I think I think that's dynamic.
I kind of agree.
You know what I mean?
I agree with that.
This is weird to me because I don't have this kind of relationship with my husband.
You're both just into each other.
Yeah, we just, we have to do that.
We're not saying like he's not into you.
It's like, hey, I'm going to be very, very into this lady, but I want this lady to be more very, very into me.
We've been together a long time.
I think it takes, that might be okay, like at the beginning, but when you've been together as long as we have, it's different.
Yeah.
No, I could agree with that.
Like when I look at my mom and dad, like I can't say, like, there's no way I could ever who likes more.
Right, right.
Wait, I had a thought on something.
Fuck.
Shit.
Totally forgot.
It's like the admirer or the admired.
Admire Er or the admired.
Which one is better?
Because the admirer feels like they're getting like they're getting more, whereas the admired, you're just kind of like, she's there.
Great.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You have to make a conscious effort, I think, every day to choose your person and to be on both sides of that, truthfully.
Wait, really quick, going back to our little dispute here over the sinking boat or whatever.
It's below the threshold, but this actually brought a good thing.
One man can impregnate 100 women, but one woman can't have 100 children.
Now, what about this, though?
Who's more valuable in...
Wait, hold on.
Let me think about this.
Who is more valuable?
Who would be more productive or valuable?
There's the sinking boat, sinking boat, and this is an island civilization, and it's the only civilization.
There's a sinking boat.
And well, who would be who would be now?
You know what?
Fuck it.
There's not a sinking boat.
There's an island civilization.
And on that island, there's one man versus a hundred women.
Or you have a hundred men with one woman.
Oh my God.
No.
You would want to have.
So those are two separate, two separate hypotheticals.
I would argue that that one man is more valuable than that one woman in that circumstance.
Oh, yeah.
Agreed.
Because that one woman, she can only get pregnant.
Like, she can't get the dudes pregnant.
But she can die from 100 men after her all of this.
So I don't know.
If we're going to take that, if we're going to go down that road, I think we would have to say that you have a situation, 100 women, one men, one woman, 100 men.
That one man is more valuable comparatively than the one woman.
This is a really retarded scenario.
I don't know.
I just made up a man.
I could say that.
Technically speaking, it's well, it's more valuable to have more women.
It's a well, in this scenario.
The other scenario, that's a more optimal scenario.
Yeah, I agree.
Because 100 women can get pregnant.
So your society is going to be more flourishing.
But that man.
Okay.
I don't know.
Whatever.
All the children were.
It was a really surprising thing.
I know you don't want an incentuous society, so you need more variety at that point.
True.
Fair.
True.
I would do my duties if I was.
I'm sure they would have to hold a gun to your head to get you to.
It would be a lot of suffering in that.
It would be so terrible.
It would be so terrible.
How would you make it?
How could I ever survive?
I think they do that with cattle, with like cows and bulls.
Oh, shit.
One bull in the yeah, making all this.
Effort Differences Between Boys and Men00:15:54
Yo, Indy, but Indy, Indy, I don't know if he's like watching from like three hours back.
When were we talking about homogeneous?
That was a long time ago.
I think he just referenced it.
Homogeneity.
Yeah, he just referenced it.
What a fucking legend.
What a legend.
By the way, DPG thing just dipped after I just gave him all those compliments and I was trying to get him set up or whatever.
I was trying to get him like a lady friend or whatever.
Maybe he's watching with his lady friend and the lady friend's like it's over, bro.
You're never watching this shit again.
He's trying to, I didn't know, but to be in my defense, I did not know that he had a lady.
He had a lady friend.
All right.
Okay, so dating harder for, okay, whatever.
Let's see if there's anything else.
You think women put in more effort when it comes to dating?
Angelica, why is that?
I can speak for myself and my friends.
Women, we hair, makeup, dress, shoes, you know, shower, shave all the things.
You know, it's a lot of work.
You know, we're getting ready for like two hours just cleaning ourselves.
But men don't care.
You could show up in a paper bag and they'd be like, so I mean, I think a woman could do like the equivalent of men's prep.
So like take a shower, you know, maybe just do a bit of stuff to your hair, like so it's not a total mess.
Put on your clothes.
And men would be fine with it.
Most also, is it women wear makeup for men or they do it for themselves?
Pick a lane for themselves.
So they're going to do it for themselves.
They are back in the middle.
I feel better when I have, I don't wear a lot of makeup to begin with, but I do feel more put together.
So do you wear makeup for your man or do you wear makeup for yourself?
I like to get up and do bare minimum tinted moisturizer.
Well, so yeah, okay.
Well, that's not necessarily the question I'm asking.
Like, are you doing your makeup because you like it, or are you doing your makeup so it appeases the man?
I like it so I feel put together.
Okay.
So it's for you.
Yes.
Okay.
So you're not doing it.
So it's not effort you're putting into the relationship.
It's effort you're putting into yourself.
You would be putting into yourself regardless.
Correct.
But I would, I put on more effort, like to do a little bit more.
If I'm going on a date, I would.
So it's a little more effort.
Yes, because it's a little effort.
On a date, it's five minutes.
Fair enough.
On a date, I'm probably spending 20 minutes.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, I mean, do you not think like I think men put in, they're obviously not putting makeup on, but I would say they probably put more effort in.
It's just behind the scenes effort that you don't get to see.
So, like, the only reason a man's going to be able to date you is he makes more than you.
So he's going to have to have a job.
He's going to have a job that he's been pouring a lot of work into for so many years.
All the work that you haven't been able to see.
And like, and that's just pretty much any woman that sits down at this table.
I say, he has to be making at least what I make or more.
So he's had that behind the scenes work.
He's also probably, I'm going to guess you guys probably would like a fit man more than an unfit man.
So you're going to want a guy who spends hours and hours in the gym.
I mean, I love the gym, so regardless of if I'm going to have a woman or not, I'm going to go to the gym.
But I've spent, I've poured 15 years of my life, blood, sweat, and tears in the gym.
There's that.
There's, he like, he has to have had some kind of experience that he can demonstrate that he's a mature man who knows his way around a room, that he comes off to people.
Like, he is authoritative.
He is a provider, a protector.
He has all of those traits that take a lot of extra work to obtain.
Traits that I don't know if women tend to have to put that same amount of effort into.
I think having been in a marriage where I planned the dates was that was easier than the actual getting ready part for me.
Because it's a reservation, you know.
Yeah.
Well, I'm not saying like, well, I mean, there is the, I mean, generally speaking nowadays, I mean, I'm not speaking to your, like, the situation you were in.
But men typically have to do all the things I just listed.
Plus, they have to go out of their way to like ask you on the date, which I think is good.
I think it should be a man who does that.
So he needs to put that effort in, but it has to risk getting rejected.
He also has to plan the date, which I think he should.
But he has to plan the date.
He also has to pay for the date.
Eventually, I mean, then he continually have to pay for this relationship.
I mean, obviously, sometimes maybe you'll throw something in, but generally speaking, he'll have to pay for all that stuff.
And eventually, he's going to be the one who has to buy the ring, get down on the knee.
It seems like he's having to put all of this effort in.
And all you have to do is kind of just sit there and have makeup on.
Pretty.
Yeah.
I'm not saying that's all you do, but in the dating scheme, it seems like that's all you have to do.
We also have to, I mean, I haven't dated in a long time.
I think I went on four dates before I found the man I'm with today.
And I was appalled, you know, by what I saw.
Yeah.
But I just think.
Yes, I guess men do, I guess from a financial standpoint, they have to pay for a lot of dates to then find the one.
But I don't think, you know.
Well, and it's not just like paying for the dates.
I also think they put the reputation on the line.
Like, I'm going to go ask this hot chick if she wants to go on a date with me.
And if we're in public, like, she can absolutely eviscerate me in front of like a bunch of people.
I've seen too many videos of that happening.
I mean, I'm sure, like, not just in video format, but I'm sure that happens way too often.
Like, I know guys who walk up to girls at the gym that they're into.
Like, it could ruin their ability to go to that gym.
Because if that girl goes to the gym all the time, well, I can't go there anymore because, goodness gracious, like everyone at the gym is going to have seen me get rejected by this girl.
She's going to rip into me.
Like, all this drama could be brought up.
I don't know if I really want to do that.
So it's like, there's a lot of, there's a great social as well as financial cost upon men.
I mean, the social cost not generally found upon women.
I think the question was, it's harder.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
That would be harder.
It's harder.
Women don't get rejected, really.
And if they do, it's very gently.
Yes, it was.
I never approached a man, but I did give the eyes.
Like, it's okay to come talk to me.
I don't know he was married, but he was.
I didn't see the ring.
I just, his hands were down here.
But he's like, I saw you.
I didn't make eye contact with you because I unfortunately I married.
But trust me, I did see you.
Yeah, fair enough.
Fair enough.
Well, maybe we can make a determination like this.
Could, you know, go back and forth.
Women have these struggles, men have these struggles.
I think that men would be willing, and this might be the easiest way to settle this.
I think men would very happily switch in terms of the the dynamics when it comes to dating and relationships.
I think men would very happily switch the dynamic.
So, women pursue, women pursue, women pursue.
We're pat, we're more passive.
Women come to us, we pick amongst the women who not.
Not that there's anything that would even prevent us from shooting our shot in the same as is the case for women.
But although women overwhelmingly don't do that, I think men would be more willing to change roles, not change sex, to be clear, men stay men, women stay women.
But I do think men would be way more open to, from a dating perspective, swap roles.
It would make things easier, honestly.
And when I say swap roles, the complication though, with this scenario is what role specifically like are we talking?
Okay, are women masculine and are men feminine?
I don't think I'm talking about that.
I'm talking about like, okay, women approach men, but I think, like that dynamic swapped, and maybe the entailments of that might change okay well, in the way that men will pursue women purely for sex and women get used for sex.
Well, sometimes men get used for sex in the swapped scenario.
I think men take that trade.
I don't know if women take the trade like.
I don't think I don't know if women take the trade of you guys have to shoot the shot, you guys have to pay for dates, you guys have to take all the initiative, excuse me, you have to move things forward, physically sexually, etc.
You got to make all those first moves.
I don't think women do that trade no more.
Not because I will say like men definitely have more pressure when it comes to like the dating scene because like, because it's I think back, like because I kind of operate off like courtship right, you know, and it is like the man has to go, you know, talk to the family.
They have to go pursue this person, they have to plan the dates and I think sometimes that's also the difference between right man and boy is like for women it can feel like we are putting in more when you're dealing with a boy because they're not planning the dates or not putting in the effort to like, go the extra mile the way a man would, if that makes sense.
Well, what do you guys think about that scenario I presented?
So the rules to a degree reversed, you guys have to be the pursuers, you guys have to be the one shooting your shot, you guys have to be the one who have to deal with like, constant rejection.
I wouldn't mind the like, the um.
You see someone who's attractive and you go up and talk to them and you shoot your shot.
That would be fine.
But then at that point if they're like, oh yeah she's, I want to go out with her, it would switch.
It would like give them the go that I'm not gonna say I don't like you, or you're ugly, or I don't want to talk to you, or what have you.
But then he would take back over the male you know the usual thing of taking you out because he would know where you stand.
He wouldn't have to shoot a shot because you already shot it for me.
I mean, I I'm glad that I'm a woman and the guys do that.
Would you trade um?
I think women like I was I don't know if you were here, but I'm like women give you the eye, they look at you, they do the eye contact, they tell you it's okay to approach them.
Well, hold what?
Okay, that doesn't answer my question first, then I'll address that.
So that's, that's kind of giving you the signal I'm not going to reject you.
I want you to come talk to me.
That still doesn't address my question.
Should uh, should women pursue and physically walk over?
Would you make that trade?
No okay, So, you enjoy your position of privilege of being the pursuit.
I enjoy my position of my privilege.
Your femininity, yes.
Your privilege.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I do believe it's a privilege to be in this role where you get to sort from the men who approach you.
And this idea that women giving the eyes, that's the woman doing the approach.
Simply staring at somebody and twitching your eyelid.
Not scary.
Yeah, I understand that, but making eye contact with somebody, that's not, that takes zero effort.
That's not initiative, really.
Like, okay, you glance at a guy for two seconds.
No, you got to go.
No, no, no.
The thing is, like, I've heard a million stories of like guys telling me, oh, well, this girl looked at me at the gym or at the bar, and I went up to her and tried to talk to her, and she immediately shut me down.
So it's like our ability to like discern what you guys mean when you guys look at us is pretty garbage.
So it's like, hey, maybe like, uh, come up and talk to us.
You know, I don't know.
But yeah, so the thing is, like, yeah, I mean, there is that cost of us trying to shoot our shot.
Not saying like, I wouldn't.
I mean, I'm a player.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna shoot my shot.
Obviously.
Obviously.
My zero.
Yeah.
I mean, also this idea, like, it's also kind of super fucking lame for a guy to be like, I will only approach if I get like some preemptive signal.
Like, if a guy's interested in you, he should shoot his shot regardless of the signal or whatever.
She's more approachable, friendlier, more open to communication.
That's, that's what I see.
Okay, can I ask you a question?
Every of all the times you've been approached in your entire life, what percentage of the time did you give the eyes?
I don't have much experience for that, but I want to say 50%.
And I never rejected them badly.
I always said, thank you.
I'm very flattered.
That's good.
I guess.
So, okay, 50% of the men that did approach you didn't have the signal.
Correct.
Right.
Yeah.
So it's like, I mean, the burden is on men.
There's an initiative burden.
Men have to approach.
Men have to make the first move.
Men have to carry things.
Men have to pay for dates.
There's an expectation.
Men have like some financial standing to be able to provide and pay for the dates.
So my position is dating is harder for men.
And, you know, again, we can each list, well, women have to wear, put on makeup and women have to do XYZ.
And they take a lot of time to look pretty.
I'm not even going to argue with that.
I could, but ultimately, though, I do think in situations where we could like flip, you know, the just the initiative burden, like men definitely take that, take that trade.
Women do not take that trade.
So I don't know.
I think that's a lot of the romance is I'm very attracted to someone.
Even if I'm not physically attracted to them, there's something about them that came, that they wanted to talk to me that I appreciate and I thank them for that.
I'm very flattered.
Okay.
Well, speaking of like sort of initiative and paying on dates, the final things from the questionnaire here.
All of you agreed with the first four statements, which are men should pay on first dates, men should provide, protect, men should be chivalrous, husbands should be willing to die protecting me or you, take taking the bullet.
All of you circled those.
All of you agree.
Why should men do these things?
Who Pays for First Dates00:14:49
Len, let's start with the first one.
Why should men pay for dates?
I feel like that's just part of their end of the deal.
They're the man's end of the deal.
Okay.
Before we get in, I'll give everybody a chance.
What's your thoughts?
As far as paying for dates, it's more to me about like I am putting in a lot of initial investment to get ready for the date.
So it's like the least you do is pay for my meal.
You know what I mean?
Like that for a first date.
Because for if I'm getting ready on a date, I'm getting my hair done.
That's $150.
I'm sorry.
Hold on really quick.
I got to interrupt you.
Somebody in the chat, Audrey, here.
Oh, shit.
You're going to get called out.
Audrey, you know what?
I'm not going to even debate you in the chat.
Come on the show.
Come on the show and we can have a discussion on the show.
You can state your disagreements.
Oh my God.
I don't know, Audrey, if you're just kind of lacking in critical thinking and logical thinking.
So me posing questions doesn't mean that prescriptively I'm suggesting that there should be a reversal of the roles.
That's not what I'm suggesting.
Simply having a conversation about something doesn't imply that you want a change of roles.
But it sounds like, so Audrey, come on the show.
You called me a homosexual.
Don't worry.
I won't call you a lesbian, even if you are one.
I do detect that you have like pink or purple hair.
She seems like she's one of the ladies.
She could be.
She might also be homosexual.
It seems like if you asked this lady, like, what would it have felt like if you didn't eat this morning?
And then she will say, well, I did eat this morning.
She's unable to just like think outside of her reality that she lives in.
Yeah.
She can't think outside of herself.
Yeah.
And so just to be clear, Audrey, I'm totally fine.
Like, I'm fine taking the initiative.
I'm fine paying for dates.
I'm fine with all of that.
But having a conversation about it wouldn't imply homosexuality.
Tell you what, Audrey, you can come on the podcast.
I'll buy you a slice of pizza and we can fuck afterwards.
And then we'll see how much of a homosexual I am.
Challenge, except I think sometimes women call you gay to see if you want to, like to try to get them to fuck, you know?
Like a woman would be like, call you gay, and it's a challenge.
Like, oh, let me prove to you how much of a heterosexual I am.
Like, it's, I don't know, she's, it's, it's weird.
So look, Audrey, I don't know.
You might not be my type, though, but we'll see.
If you, if you're, bring me some baked goods.
Let's see how your sourdough is and we can talk, okay?
Uh, you can DM out whatever, Audrey, and we'll get you on the show.
And we'll have a discussion about my homosexuality or lack thereof.
Speaking of which, I guess, wait, so okay, back to this.
Didn't mean to cut you off, but I had to, I saw Audrey talking shit.
So I gotta, you know, I gotta address it.
Audrey, send a fucking DM on our Instagram at whatever.
Send a DM, Audrey, and we'll have you on the show.
Go ahead.
Yeah, just pertaining to like a first date, I just feel like that there's a lot more financial investment on the woman's side as far as preparing for it versus like the man having to pay the one.
Yes, that's where you're, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, can I ask you a question?
So is your argument the woman invests more time and energy and she spends money on the makeup and cosmetics?
And so because she spends conceivably more money for the date, the man should pay for the date.
Yeah, for the first date.
For the first date.
Okay.
So can I ask you a question though?
Let's say I take a woman who works at Chick-fil-A out on a date and she does put on some makeup.
She puts on some eyeliner, some mascara, and maybe, I don't know, something else or whatever.
I pick her up because my part of the date is to pick her up, right?
And I'm going to take her to a restaurant.
I pick her up in a Ferrari.
I've spent more money showing up to that date than she has.
And she works at Chick-fil-A and say I make millions of dollars a year.
Because I've spent more money in preparation for that date, couldn't I just argue she should pay for the date?
Well, you didn't buy the Ferrari for the date.
She didn't buy.
Wait, so hold on.
Let's say that makeup that she purchased, she clearly purchased it, say she before she met me.
Okay.
So.
And she wears makeup because she likes to wear makeup for personal reasons.
It's not for men.
She wears makeup for her.
She makes it where it's for her.
Well, I mean, yeah, even in general, though, I do still believe that a man should pay for the first date.
No, but your argument was the man should pay for the first date because conceivably women.
Generally, like I'm thinking of my own experience, like I put a lot into.
Essentially, what are the men paying for?
No, but if the argument is men should pay on first dates, because look, and I'm willing to even grant perhaps in most situations, in terms of preparation, women will probably, you know, with the makeup and whatever, the hair, women's haircuts cost more, although they don't get their hair cut as frequently as men, but whatever.
I would say, okay, sure, women spend more money, generally speaking, but using your logic, say I'm a multi-millionaire and she works at Chick-fil-A, but I'm spending more money getting ready for the date.
Logically, wouldn't it follow that she has to pay for the date?
Well, no, because I feel like even in that, if you're a millionaire, like you're...
Why would you expect for a while?
Well, okay, let me ask you this.
Let's say I'm going on a date with a woman and she spends more money getting ready, but she also makes more money.
Should she pay for the date?
No.
But hold on, she makes more money.
Well, that's just because I personally just feel like men should pay on the first date because then your argument can't, but you're going to have to abandon.
I was just relating that to myself because of what I put.
Right, but if we're asking you for justification for why men pay, you now, given what you just said, you have to abandon the logic is because person.
No, no, you're going to have to abandon that line of argumentation.
Because person X, whether it's the man or the woman, makes more money, ergo, they should pay for the date.
But I've just demonstrated to you, like, for example, the guy shows, the guy's rich, shows up with a Rolex and a Ferrari and a super nice suit.
I mean, you might, okay, let's say he even buys the suit in preparation for the date.
Yeah, I can abandon that I said before because it's more about the value-wise.
I did get you to abandon it.
You did.
I did get you to abandon it, though.
Okay, so why should men pay?
For me, it shows generosity.
Should women also be generous?
I am very generous.
Should women be generous?
If I absolutely.
Okay, so she should pay for the date.
Or go 50-50.
I have when we are in a committed relationship.
I have no problems doing that.
Okay, but we're talking about like first dates.
First dates, first dates, no.
Okay, but shouldn't it demonstrate her generosity?
If women should be generous?
Generosity is, I think, a trait that is most, and this is gender roles, is more important for men to show initially than women to show it.
So what trait should women be showing in this situation?
For a traditional man, all of their traditional values, which means...
Which are what?
Which are what?
Yeah.
Which means taking care of me that first date.
Wait, so yeah, what's a woman?
What do you do on the first date?
What are the women to take care of?
What are the female traits that they need to be displaying to the man on that first date?
I'm willing to accept it.
Can I pay for that date?
Absolutely.
You're willing to accept what?
Femininity is receiving also.
Being able to accept and be thankful for that.
Wait, so the traits that you need to display are that I'm going to take your stuff.
No, no, not take your stuff.
That's what receiving is.
Wait, what traits are you displaying?
Are you giving to this man to show that I should, like, me paying for this first date is worth it?
We have vetted each other for a while now.
I'm not going out.
I'm not meeting you today and going out with you on a date tomorrow.
I have been talking to you for a minimum of two weeks and we know each other.
So then why is he paying for that date then?
Because you've determined that he's generous.
He's already displayed that.
I don't know that he's generous.
We've never been on a date.
So what traits is he finding out about you on this first date?
Because you're finding out generosity.
He knows enough about me that he wants to spend time with me physically.
So again, what traits is he figuring out about you on this first date?
Because you're figuring out his generosity.
We'll give you that.
You're figuring out generosity.
What are you giving?
Shared experiences so we can bond together.
Shared experiences, time together, you bond together.
You could only talk to each other on the phone and text each other for so long before you want to spend more time together.
I want to spend time with you.
What is he investing in?
Our relationship.
Because he knows me for, you know, he knows about me.
Wait, for me.
Really quick, we're going to get right back to this topic.
You said you're half black, right?
Okay, keep going.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I don't want to know.
I don't want to know.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Keep going.
That's all it is.
It's a joke.
just stupid.
If you like me enough to ask me on a date, I will gladly accept.
I do want to spend time with you.
And now, yes, I think.
I guess why is the man paying?
Because I am more of a traditional woman and I'm going to go for a woman.
Okay, so what is that traditional?
What are the traditional things that a man is expecting from this first date with a woman?
Would it turn you off as a traditional man if a woman paid for the date?
Yeah, it would.
That's why I don't quit.
Okay, so I'm expecting certain things from this date.
What do you expect?
What are you expecting?
Obviously, I'm not expecting for you to sleep with me.
I'm expecting virtues to be displayed.
What I always find in these conversations I have with women is they never really understand that men are looking for a virtuous woman.
Like, we're looking for someone, a good, I want to say godly man, is looking for a virtuous woman, who's someone who's kind, who is like looking for leadership, who wants to be a good helper, who wants to be able to support you.
Where she's not expecting you to just pay for everything.
I mean, obviously, when I go on a first date, I'm going to, but she's not assuming that of me.
Like, she doesn't assume that she just needs to be able to receive whatever she can get from me because that's what she deserves as a woman.
No, no, no.
She wants to be there, like, and she wants to display those virtues to me.
And one of those key virtues, that gold bar that she should have, still have, is her virginity.
Like, I protect myself.
I cherish those virtues that I hold strong to.
So when you take me on this first date, I'm going to explain those to you.
I'm going to show those to you.
I'm going to be extremely kind to the waiting staff.
I'm going to be extremely kind to you.
I'm going to be interested in you.
I'm going to display those virtues.
I never encountered that in these conversations.
Like, why are those never talked about?
I think those are extremely important for us, man.
They are.
Why?
One quick question.
I want to ask a question to the chat.
Do you guys think a woman, like, I don't know, I've had this experience, not that I, like, I don't really care.
And I don't think you should necessarily thank the person for just like doing what their role is necessarily.
But I do think from like a purely polite, courteous thing, like, for example, if a friend treats me to dinner, I would thank them.
I've definitely been on dates with women.
It could even be your girl.
Like, I want, my girlfriend, I think should say thank you.
Yeah.
If I take her.
I mean, I'm always going to be paying.
I'm always paying for the food, but she should say thank you for the lunch or thank you for the dinner.
Like, that's just a courteous thing beyond just dating and relationships.
But yo, question for the chat.
Have you ever gone on a date with a woman and you paid the entire bill and she didn't do you?
Well, okay, two questions for the chat.
Do you think she should say thank you?
Like, hey, thank you for the dinner.
Thank you for the date.
And then have you ever been on a date with a woman where you paid for the dinner or whatever date?
And she did not thank you.
Say it in the chat.
Say it in the chat.
People in the chat are saying yes.
The woman should say thank you.
And then tell us if you've been on a date where the girl did not thank you because just saying, oh, yeah, it's the least she can.
Okay, Audrey, I'm a Audrey said it's the least she can do.
Oh my goodness, Audrey.
Oh my goodness.
See, she's she's coming over to the she agrees with me.
Good job, Audrey.
I'm proud of you.
Congratulations, Audrey.
Oh, God, this is pointless with the red hair.
Oh, I paid last night and tipped.
Oh, shit.
She's wearing the pants in the relationship.
That's a woman with red hair.
And she heard it through the grapevine that she pegs men.
Just kidding.
I'm kidding.
I am joking.
She does not do that.
I made that up.
I don't know.
I've definitely been on dates, either first dates or dates with a girlfriend.
And then again, do I thank a woman when she cleans my house or does my laundry?
I fuck her after.
But do I thank her?
I think that's a thank you to make her come.
Is she that's a thank you?
I don't know if she'd come even rather have the thank you.
Oh, yeah.
Are you sure?
Oh, yeah.
Are you sure?
Women are good at thanking.
So like, are you sure she's getting hers or is she just being nice?
Oh.
Well, I mean, I think it's, I should add that to my, I should add that to my girlfriend application.
Faking Orgasms and Respect00:15:39
Do you fake orgasms?
Like, but no, women should not fake orgasms.
And yeah, no, you shouldn't.
I mean, it's possible a woman's fake.
But it's kind of polite.
What's polite?
You don't want to like sometimes make someone feel bad.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, you're like, okay, like everybody's fake when it's sometimes.
But some men do.
Yeah, but that's pathetic.
Like almost like protecting their emails.
No, no, no, no.
First off, you shouldn't lie.
It's bad.
And then if the guy thinks he's pleasing you, but he's not, it's really bad communication.
Women always communicate.
Women complain about how, oh, men are terrible communicators.
You guys fucking fake orgasms.
Like, that's no.
Here, tell the guy what you like.
You know, communicate with him.
Tell him what you like.
If he's not rubbing you in the right place or whatever, communicate that to him.
But yeah, no, women shouldn't.
I think that's a good idea.
Should not fake orgasms because it's like he, if he thinks he's bringing you the climax, but you're not climaxing, he's going to continue to do that thing.
But it's not always like, I think, when you, as you get older, like you get more confident to advocate for yourself that way in those situations, but especially when you're younger, you kind of are like learning and you almost like don't know if it's you, if it's them, and then you don't want to like you don't know how someone's going to respond.
So, yeah, I could say, hey, like, you're not really getting me where I need.
And they could be super offended and like it takes a left turn, or they could be receptive.
You don't know, but you almost want to play it safe and just be like, okay, like, yeah, that was great.
Well, I think, look, obviously, there's a right way and a wrong way to go about expressing, you know, like you can go about it in a way.
And look, maybe a guy is just insecure across the board.
And even if you are as diplomatic as possible in your explanation, he's still going to get bent out of shape no matter what.
But I mean, is that really the kind of guy you want to be with?
But ultimately, faking orgasm, super, you shouldn't do it.
It's bad.
It's really bad and unhealthy.
Shouldn't do it.
Unhealthy.
It's bad communication.
It's bad communication.
It's like, then, okay, you're habitually, but then what you're setting yourself up for down the road, assuming, I'm assuming if you're faking an orgasm, this is a guy you want to keep seeing, right?
Eventually, like you're going to have to keep that going indefinitely.
So there's going to be a point down the road where you're like, unless you're just indefinitely going to keep faking orgasms and never coming.
Well, that's right.
You're going to have to.
At one point or the other, you're going to have to hit his ego at some point.
So it's like, why even start?
Just make it from the get-go.
Just tell the guy what you like.
That's what I said.
I feel like it's as you get older, you get the more confidence.
But when you're younger, you're like, you, especially as a female, like you don't have that confidence to sit there.
Like, I'm talking like 18, 19 years old.
You're not going to sit there and tell that person that you're intimate with, especially one of your first few partners, like, hey, like, that didn't feel good.
That didn't get that didn't get me there.
Like, you're just, you're not going to have that kind of boldness to say.
It's a very vulnerable place.
Well, when you're young, you don't really know what you like.
When you're that young, you don't really.
No, women, I'm telling you, they don't.
I will tell you 100% sex in my 20s compared to sex now.
It's two different animals.
Like, it's, it's very different.
I mean, the orgasm response between women is very is varied, very varied.
So, I mean, you can have a woman in her mid-20s, 30s who has significant difficulty climaxing, and you can have an 18, 19, 20-year-old woman who's like multi-orgasmic and squirts and does all this shit.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's just there's a physiological component that I don't think you can necessarily ignore.
Um, but uh, yeah, faking orgasms, super retarded, terrible communication, super retarded.
You shouldn't do it.
Um, I don't think it takes that even for an inexperienced uh, well, I would, why would an inexperienced woman like it seems like it would be more of an act to fake an orgasm than don't do it?
No, just like no, because like you know, when you're at least in my experience when I was younger, it's like you also don't like for me in my mindset, I didn't know if it was me or if it was him because like there are some women who like it's hard for them to get there.
Like, and like sometimes they can't.
So, it's like I'm not gonna sing her and tell him it's him if I don't know maybe it's not.
Like, I'm just gonna make this a good experience for him at least.
You know, because I'm also like, if he comes, it's a good experience, right?
But some men also get satisfaction off of you getting yes.
Well, yes, I agree.
It is, it is satisfying to the man for the world.
And then, when they ask you, like, did you come?
And you're like, they'll lose attraction for you if they can't get you there.
That's why you have to tell them how to get you there.
But again, sometimes it may not be them.
If you can get a woman off, you'll better if you can get her off.
Like, it makes the sex better.
And of course, as the man, you should also be considerate of your partner's pleasure and enjoyment.
But it is the case that for some women, even they can't even bring themselves to climax some women, even through masturbation, even using toys.
So, again, the physiological response is varied and it's different between some women.
But I think if it is the case that the woman, like it's just hard to make her come, I don't think that the like it, yeah, it's better if she could come, if she could come easily, if she could have multiples, if she's fucking doing exorcism, freaking out when she's coming or whatever.
I guess that's better, but like, I the this idea that a man would be dissatisfied in a relationship with a woman who has like extreme difficulty climaxing, like regardless, of course, it's optimal for her to be able to come, but if she doesn't, I think men can still love a woman who has difficulty coming.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't think it's completely necessary, and it's it's also not necessary to have children.
So, a man's orgasm is necessary to have children, a woman's is not.
Now, just to be clear, I'm not, I think a woman's pleasure is important, and ideally, she comes before you as many times as she can, but it's not a necessary component of reproduction.
You disagree?
No, I agree.
It's not necessary.
I just don't, I think if you can get your woman off, I think as a man, you would eventually lose some attraction to her.
I think it depends.
Like, if other men have made her come, perhaps.
If she's just like a really difficult Rubik's cube, her clits, I don't know.
She's a fucking, she's a difficult case.
She's a difficult patient.
Then, I mean, it would, it is what it is.
Some women can't, some women can't come, period.
Some women just can't come.
So, I mean, it's better if she comes.
It's way better if she, it's better if she's multi-orgasmic and her pussy is like every 10 seconds.
She's orgasm, orgasm.
Like, that's better, but I don't think it would prevent a man from being satisfied in a relationship with a woman who just physiologically had either extreme difficulty climaxing or just couldn't do it.
I think she could find love.
I think she can find a boyfriend and a husband.
I mean, it's still pussy.
Pussies like pizza.
Like, I had dominoes yesterday, regrettably.
I was just hungry.
I needed some food, and it was the only thing open.
And I gotta tell, sometimes dominoes is good, but this particular whoever made it, it was fucking pretty bad.
But it was still pizza.
It's hard to fuck up pizza.
It was still, I mean, I ate the thing, you know.
Pussies like pizza.
That's the reflection.
Like, whereas dick, I mean, dick can be expired, you know?
Like, you don't even want the dick.
But, like, unless the pussy, I mean, smells bad or something.
Like, You can't turn down pussy is what I'm saying.
Like, there's no such thing really as bad pussy.
Like, you have to go out of your way.
Mason turns it down.
Well, I guess what I'm saying, let me...
Most pussy.
How about this?
Wait, wait, let me change it.
Let me change it up.
None of it's good enough for me.
Hold on.
Most pussy.
Most pussy is good pussy.
There's, I would argue, there's way less good dick.
Yeah, I agree.
There's more good pussy than there is good dick.
Unless like the woman's like a fucking hallway or something, or she's just like throwing a hot dog down the hallway.
Like she's just, you can't feel anything.
That's crazy.
Is that real?
There are some loose women.
You can't feel anything?
There's minimal friction, let's just say.
It's like a cavernous.
Cavernous.
Yeah.
Cave.
Like a cave.
Cave-esque.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I don't know.
It's honestly, though, I would say that's rare.
I'll be honest.
It's.
Did these women have children before?
No.
Oh, my.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
And I got to be honest, it was a bit of an issue.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
Yeah.
It was a bit of an issue.
And it's super rare, though.
Like most women, like most, like, I don't know.
I'm not going to review my body count.
But like most women, like, there's no issues there.
What do you say?
There's nothing they can do, really.
They're just fucked, basically.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
What am I supposed to say?
Sorry, dear, your pussy's too loose.
I felt nothing.
No, you would never say that.
You just got to resort to oral sex or anal, I guess.
Ooh.
Poor Mason.
Poor Mason.
Poor earmuffs, Mason.
Earmuffs.
Earmuffs.
His poor.
That's why I stick to anal sex.
Yeah, no, but it's rare.
The loose...
Wait, chat.
Loose pussy is rare.
Brian has really bad takes on pussy.
What the fuck?
Is Brian a two-incher?
No, I said, hey, first off.
Is that Audrey?
No, I don't know who that was.
First off, I think that it's super rare.
Like, most women, it's totally fine.
But there are...
Come on, chat.
Somebody in the chat.
Oh, yeah, that reminds me.
Does anybody want a popsicle?
You don't want a popsicle?
Anybody?
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I'm good.
Wait, where was I going with that?
No, chat, chat.
Like, most pussies.
But sometimes, like, rarely, you've, like, let's be honest.
I don't know what the breakdown is.
Maybe it's like 3%.
I think it might be 2% to 3% of women might have the cavernous vagina.
I'm sorry, the cavernous.
Cavernous vagina.
It's like the Grand Canyon thing.
It's like the Grand Canyon of Vajej's.
It's crazy.
Okay.
Molly, read this for me, please.
Into the mic.
We call it throwing a hot dog down a hallway.
Yep, throwing the hot dog down the hallway.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know where I was going with that.
Why should men pay on dates?
That's where we are.
You guys bring it to crazy places.
Why should men pay?
Goodness gracious.
Well, I think to touch on what you had said about like, you know, you want to see certain traits, which I was going to touch on, was that it's a way of almost like a man showing that he's able to lead and then also a woman showing that she's able to be led in a way.
Like if a man is planning the date, he's paying for it.
But hold on.
Couldn't I lead like this?
Get your wallet out.
You're paying for the date.
No, that's not.
That's leading, right?
That's not leading.
That's leading.
No.
Go get your purse.
Go get your pink credit card out and pay for the date.
That would be me.
I'm telling her what to do.
That's not a bad thing.
That's a gangster, by the way.
You know what I did one time?
No.
I was having dinner at a bar and there was a guy that came up to me and he sat next to me and was like, oh, what are you drinking?
Oh, here, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
And then the check came.
He's like, oh, you got to split it.
He's like, don't split it.
I put in, I'll pay for you, baby.
Don't worry.
And I left.
Don't worry.
I got you, baby.
We're splitting this.
Don't worry.
I got you.
Wow.
Very sassy.
Yeah, they put in a cup.
I wasn't into him.
I was expecting to pay, but because he said that to the waitress.
Oh, you paid for the whole thing?
I was like, don't worry, baby.
I got you.
Here.
Good for him.
He didn't waste money on a girl who wasn't interested.
I mean, it works out.
But I don't know.
Ultimately, I don't know.
You mentioned alpha before, and I don't really like the alpha beta thing.
It's just the, to get to the point.
To be a descriptor, right?
Yeah, I get it.
Well, what's more alpha?
A guy telling his first date, take out your credit card.
You're paying for this.
Or the guy who's like, hold on.
Oh, I'm going to pay for the date.
Like, come on, bro.
It's obviously the more alpha for the guy to be like, you got this right.
No, that's a very douche bag.
That is not alpha.
That is so alpha male.
That is so douche.
You have like a flat bill hat with the sticker.
But anyways, why should men pay?
I'll be honest with you.
I like to be pursued back in the day, and I want a man to want to go out with me and want to go out and have dinner.
And it is 100% based on my beliefs and how I feel about it.
It's, yeah, I could pay a million times over.
And after you date for a while, absolutely grab the check.
But I want to be taken out and pursued old school way.
And if a man looked at me and was like, bitch, buy my dinner, I'd be like, deuces, because that's not what I want.
So, okay.
Going back to the questionnaire, men should pay on first dates.
Paying Doesn't Make Women Feminine00:14:51
Men should provide protect.
Men should be chivalrous.
Husband, or even supposed boyfriends, should be willing to die protecting you.
Take the bullet.
To which all of you agree.
If we can say men should do all these things, what should women do?
Hold the fort down.
What does that mean?
You mean being the cook, clean.
All of it.
Help make your life better while you go to work and go to war and slay all of the dragons, whatever makes your life better.
If you want to come home to, I just need my loafers there.
Or I just, I need the bed to be made every night.
Fine, I'll made it.
What do you think?
You know what my husband does?
He goes to work.
I do everything else.
I take care of him.
I think it's more just like the overall support system in general, not outside, like not just the household, but like if whatever his dream is for us, for our family, I should be doing whatever it takes to help us achieve that dream in whatever way he needs, whether it's in the household, whether it's, you know, helping him within his business or whether it's like you should be his support.
Should be his rib 100.
I mean, women should just, they should take care of everything at home: the cooking, the cleaning, taking care of kids.
Men are supposed to work and provide and protect.
Meanwhile, everything in the home, like we're caretakers, so that's that's a woman's job.
Okay.
It's our nature.
So, what okay, so those are some of the things, but it seems the burden of should seems very front-loaded on men.
Whereas, like, all these things you described, like, maybe when you move in with a woman, she'll do those things.
But before that, women typically aren't going to be cooking, cleaning.
Like, if you don't live together, most women are not going to be cleaning the guy's house.
Most women are not going to be like cooking.
Maybe cooking is a bit on the fence.
They're not going to be cleaning.
They're not going to be doing folding laundry.
They're not typically going to be doing those things unless they're living together, which can be months or like years down the road.
I guess I'm looking for when Mason was talking about like the women being virtuous.
I would say if men should be all those things, should women be virtuous?
Should women be virgins?
I don't think that that translates into like versus other traits.
Like, if, okay, yeah, if a man should pay for the dates and stuff, then yeah, you should support him in that way.
I'm out of time.
You should support him paying for the date.
Like, no, like support him as his woman.
Like, for instance, like the guy I'm dealing with, I am a very nurtured caretaker person.
We're not in a relationship, right?
We don't live together.
Like you were saying, most women don't do it.
Do you clean his house?
I don't clean his house because I don't really go over there, but I make his meal prep because he works a lot.
So I know that like he doesn't have time to do that.
So I make his meal prep for him and I make sure I drop it off to him when he needs it so I can make sure he's fed.
When he has free time on the weekends, if I know he's tired after working, I'm not going to make him say, hey, let's go out.
But like the other day, I made him come into my house.
I cooked him dinner.
We took a bath.
Like we, you know, I'm going to nourish and nurture him in those moments as well.
Like, well, okay.
Is it wrong for a man to say a woman should be a virgin?
No.
However, in society back in the day, the average age of marriage was 18 years old.
And now we have women before graduating from high school who have fucked 10 men.
That's real.
That is also true.
Okay.
Correct.
I mean, because my mom got married when she was 17.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, so I guess like to paint Brian's picture, that men paying for the first date has not changed since that time.
However, what has definitely changed is women being virgins by that first date, that first ever date.
That standard has always been held up for men that you must pay for, no, you must pay for that first date.
You must be the one to approach.
You must have all of these characteristics.
But women are pretty lax with their.
Well, the liberal women don't have a leg to stand on for that one.
Agreed.
But even the liberal women can still sit back, wait for men to take all the initiative, all the burden, all that stuff.
Men still have to lead.
Men still have to be pursuing.
If you want to be a feminist and be a liberal, then you do your 50.
Yeah, but I mean, feminism is like completely contradictory because like even if you're a feminist, even if you say 50-50, like women still sit back.
Women are very passive when it comes to dating.
Women, generally speaking, like don't shoot their shot.
They don't take initiative.
They don't carry the conversational burden.
They're not making the first move.
They're not going for the first kiss.
They're not moving things forward physically, generally speaking.
And so all that burden falls onto men.
These are all potential rejection points for men.
Men need to pay for dates.
Even liberal women will have an expectation.
Not all liberal women, but a good amount of liberal women still want men to pay for dates.
And then they have this, sometimes they'll even rationalize it in this really backwards way of like, well, because of the wage gap and because of like my other liberal feminist talking points, because of the patriarchy, men have like this privileged position and power and the wage gap.
They make more money, so therefore they should pay for dates.
And it's all very retarded and woke and also retarded.
I already said that, but a little bit of redundancy, but ultimately, I don't know.
It seems like we're allowed to say men should, but in terms of the ways in which we should say women should, women really aren't doing that.
I don't think women are doing their should.
They're not, women are not shoulding.
Shoulding.
Shoulding.
Women are not holding up their end of the should deal.
Yeah.
Like it's so easy to say in our society, there's no backlash to saying men should pay for first dates, but there is a lot of backlash for saying women should be chaste to deserve a first date.
Or even just like, even if that's too much of an ask for a woman to be a virgin, women should be submissive.
That's too much.
Too much.
That's not appropriate.
It should be 50-50, but only in the ways that benefit women.
I don't know.
I think that's 100%.
I feel like that's more of that feministic mindset, though.
Of like, when you're talking about, oh, women should be submissive and they don't want to be submissive.
That is like that, like, I don't need no man type of mindset where, like, someone who's more traditional, which I feel like a lot of us are, is that, like, I have no problem submitting to my man.
Like, I just also want that you provide me the space to be submissive.
Like, you're saying, like, if you're making me go work full-time and you're working full-time, like, I'm not always going to feel like I can be in my software.
I can be feminine.
I can be.
So you have to create that space for your woman to feel safe enough to do that too.
Yeah, but would this fly in the other direction if a man were to say, well, I'm masculine, but only when the woman has created a safe space for me.
A woman does have to create that space for you to be masculine.
Well, I have to create that very tough.
I'm no longer going to pay for my wife because she's not being very feminine.
No, it's more like no, it's communication.
No, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is like this, this cope about, oh, well, I'll be feminine when the man is masculine.
I'll be feminine when the guy has created the safe space and comfort for me, but I, as the woman, am the arbiter of when that safe space has been fully manifested and created.
Whereas like you women would not tolerate a guy who's like acting feminine, but he's like, look, once I feel comfortable with you, and once you've you as the woman have created the safe space for me, then I'm going to be masculine.
Then I'm going to be a leader.
You'd be like, you're a fucking bitch.
What?
What are you talking about?
But creating that space doesn't mean like, oh, it's all this time that has to pass.
Like creating those spaces can be moment by moment.
For instance, like if we're going on a date and you're planning it, now you've created a space for me to follow your lead to be submissive in that way.
And same way for a man, it's like I'm creating, if I, my man can't go to work all day and then he comes home and I'm like, you need to clean.
And then because now I'm not creating that safe space for him to be in his masculinity either.
This idea that simply by virtue of the man initiating and paying for the first date, that that has thus created the space for women.
It's a step.
It's a trick.
I can't tell you the amount of women who go on dates and the man pays for the date and he does everything right and she's still a contentious, vexatious, quarrelsome, nagging, fucking pain in the ass masculine woman.
Like me paying for the date doesn't magically make a woman feminine.
His judgment is bad and he didn't bet her correctly.
Well, that's secondary.
This idea that simply by virtue of paying for the date, that this somehow forces women into femininity is complete.
No, that's not the case.
No, no, it doesn't force them into it, but someone.
Not force, but...
Yeah, but someone who is the maturity and the outlook of like looking for that like date to marry, like looking for their person, that is going to open that space for them.
But someone who's just looking to take and get a get a quick meal or have a quick, yeah, they're not going to appreciate it.
It's not going to open up the space.
It's not going to go anywhere.
It's just going to be exactly what you're saying.
Right.
All right, we're going to move on to a different topic here, but I still, I don't know.
Maybe we could do a thing where if the woman has a body count of more than three, then she revokes her right to the man paying for the first date.
What do you guys think about that?
No?
Still should pay.
What about, we've got a sex worker here.
I've previously said on podcasts, maybe you'll weigh in on this, that I don't believe women who do OnlyFans or women who are sex workers deserve chivalry, deserve traditional treatment.
Now, you might still get it.
Men definitely still will pay for dates and do all that shit for sex workers.
Women who are sex workers can still get that treatment.
I don't think they deserve it, though.
And just also, let me caveat.
I don't think women who are involved in that kind of work, I don't think they should be mistreated.
They should still be treated with respect if a man opts to perhaps mistakenly date her, no offense.
But they don't deserve the tradition.
They don't deserve the chivalry because they're not traditional women.
What do you think about that?
I mean, I definitely think that when you are putting yourself in that environment where you are like giving your body in exchange for something to like multiple different men, like you are, you can't really expect a man to have that same kind of like respect and chivalry for you because like you're thinking you're just giving it to everybody.
And it's in the open.
It's not like...
Well, what do you think?
Because you're the sex worker, too.
I agree with you.
I mean, I wouldn't meet someone and expect them to like treat me like a virgin.
Like, I feel like I couldn't talk to you and be like, well, you don't want to date me?
Like, that would be crazy, you know?
Okay.
What do you guys think?
Fair proposition that if a woman is a sex worker, the man doesn't have to pay for the date?
Or should he still pay for the date?
I don't know what that world looks like, but I would imagine only that maybe they're dating like people that are also maybe in some sort of related field, maybe also male escorts, maybe.
There's not enough, there wouldn't be enough male OnlyFans creators or male prostitutes or male sex workers to be able to match up with the female sex workers.
Or just men that have a massive high body count that that's not that important to them to seek in a female partner.
I'll make the question super simple.
Does a girl who does OnlyFans, do you think she deserves when she's dating, should the guy pay for her dates?
It depends on who that man is and how he values her.
He wants to take.
Okay.
I acknowledge that there are men who will take OnlyFans girls out on dates, and those men will pay for those dates.
That's not in dispute.
The OnlyFans girls can still get men to pay for dates.
The question is, is do they deserve that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't have an educated.
So if you're not going to be able to do that, would you say if I took a girl out, I'm a virgin, if I took a girl out and I didn't pay for her first, for the first date, would that be wrong?
For me, for me.
No, It's a regular lady.
A regular lady?
Yes.
And you didn't pay for it.
I didn't pay for the date.
Would that be wrong?
It doesn't align with the values that you have.
So would it be wrong?
Okay.
Yes, for you and so wrong.
Would it be wrong if I did the same thing with a sex worker?
Yes, because that is not your value system.
So what are you doing taking one out?
So that's the question Brian's asking.
So I should still provide traditional values to a person who is very much not traditional.
That's a gray area.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, according to what you just said, yeah, you're abandoning your traditional values to go on on a date with her.
Okay, so don't take her out on a date.
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't.
She's not your girl, you know?
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Laws Requiring Men to Pay00:12:35
But okay, you get to pass a law.
You get to pass a law that determines who pays for dates in what scenarios.
Now, when you're passing the law, let's go ahead and grant that if the man and the woman, neither of them are sex workers, I assume you would pass some sort of law that the man should have to pay for the date.
But in the situation of a woman being a sex worker, would you pass the law under that circumstance that the man should pay for the date, legally speaking?
No, it is 50.
Whoever, whoever wants to pay for it, it's up for debate.
That doesn't answer the question.
There is no law for that.
The law is not.
No, it's hypothetical.
You're the big.
And as a dictator, I would say there is no law as to who pays.
It is up to those people going out.
Okay, so are you seeing their shopping?
It's granted in the hypothetical that you would, you are passing the law, but you get to make a determination as to which couplings.
Correct.
So the couplings would be traditional, traditional, the man pays.
The coupling would be a traditional man and a sex worker.
He doesn't have to pay?
He does not have to pay, but is highly encouraged to because you need to do your own vetting.
Figure it out.
Go to man school and figure out how to vet a woman.
I don't know.
Okay, that's...
Don't take her out.
If she's not your dad.
Okay, yes, men should probably not date sex workers.
Yes.
But that's a separate conversation.
Yes.
Like, okay, that's a separate conversation, though.
Okay.
Let's see here.
Where am I going to take this?
Maybe there's a better example I could have used than like dictator, like passing a law on who has to pay.
Okay.
Here, we're going to do.
Let's see here.
Oh, ooh, this is a good question.
Wait.
Hmm.
One sec.
Hold on.
Let me get this.
I guess I'll do that a little later, actually.
But ultimately, though, I don't know.
I think if I have to die for a woman, she should be a virgin.
Definitely, yeah.
Because I don't know, man.
It's like I got to give my life for a woman who's like, got a body count of like 50.
And then, like, within, she'll probably be back on Tinder at my funeral.
She'll be getting dicked down within two weeks.
And I got to die for her.
Like, how about this?
Can I ask you guys a question?
Hypothetical scenario.
You have precognition.
Have you seen the minority report with Tom Cruise where he could like tell when crimes, like if a crime was about to happen or some shit?
You have precognition that a man is married to a woman.
Well, you don't have precognition of that.
But in the scenario, the man is married to the woman.
And you know that within a month of him dying, she's going to be fucking another guy.
Now you have some power to like tell him, hey, bro, she's going to fuck a guy right afterwards.
Like, maybe don't die for her.
Do you think he should not die for her if she would fuck another dude within a month?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, yes or no?
Like, no, he shouldn't.
He shouldn't die?
No.
No.
No, he shouldn't.
No, he shouldn't?
No.
Okay, so how long, though?
Three months?
Like, if she fucks three months after he dies?
Years.
No, it would.
How long is a relationship?
Is it like they have kids, have a family, all that?
They've been together.
Well, I mean, he's still making the ultimate sacrifice regardless of how long they've been together.
But let's say...
I mean, respectively, I feel like a year after you're like someone passes, you know, like, for instance, like with my ex, it's like it took me eight months from just a breakup of a girlfriend, boyfriend relationship to even be open to go on a date with someone, you know?
So it's like if you're talking about like a marriage and your husband just died, like I couldn't even imagine dating, let alone.
But like if you had to put a timeline, I feel like a year is a process, a good process of grief.
How about you've been together with a girl for 10 years?
Now, how long, how soon, and there's a scenario where you have to die protecting her.
How soon can she fuck a new guy where you say he shouldn't be willing to give his life for her?
How soon?
Yeah, so does that make sense?
I don't know.
I would probably be so traumatized that that would be so long before I could even well, but like, so like, let's say a woman, okay, here, maybe this will simplify things.
A woman waits one year before fucking a new guy.
Should the guy who's been dating her for 10 years, right?
So one year, one year is a good amount of time, right?
Kind of.
Should he give his life for a woman that one year later she'd be fucking another guy?
No.
No?
Okay.
What about three years?
Is that acceptable?
Like, okay, it's been three years.
That's a long time to grieve and get over the trauma.
I am not dying for a woman who is 10 years.
She has to wait a fucking decade.
And even then, I still, like, in the grave, I'm pissed off.
Like, bitch, you should have a widow and he died for me.
I don't.
You want him to be happy?
You want him to be in another woman's vagina?
Really?
I will come back.
No, I'm just kidding.
I couldn't move on fast.
I mean, it would be, I don't even know if I ever could.
That would be so devastating.
I don't think a man.
Honestly, here's the only scenario a man should die for a woman.
She was a virgin when they met.
Okay.
She's pregnant.
She was a virgin.
She was a virgin.
And if he dies, she never touches another man again.
That is the only scenario in which a man should die for.
No, I'm telling you.
Like, these girls have an expectation.
I got to die for you.
That's perma.
That's perma.
You need to give me perma for me to be perma.
If I'm going to be perma dead, you got to be perma sexless.
Okay.
What if you have children?
What if you have children and that there's a good man that wants to take care of her and her children?
Tough.
Tough luck.
Tough luck.
Or is the good man?
Is he asexual?
Okay.
No, hold on.
I actually did have this conversation.
Nope.
I had this conversation with my ex-husband and I said, if I died and something happened to me, I would love for you to have the companionship of another woman.
And I know you would do a good vetting process.
And I know she would be wonderful to you and the children.
I'm not.
Well, I'm fine.
Like, for me, I would probably, if my wife of 10 years died, you know, I'll give it a couple of weeks to do that.
But what I did say is in this scenario, if I'm in a coma, if I'm on a coma, do not ever pull the plug.
I will come back.
Okay.
Well, look, ultimately, though, I don't know.
She has to be a virgin.
If a woman wants me to die for her, she has to be a virgin when we meet.
And then she can, I have to know somehow.
I don't know how I would ever guarantee this.
She cannot fuck another man ever.
Ever.
She's struggling.
She's struggling financially.
This man and his white horse.
Oh, she's going to take dick?
No, she's not.
No, he's loving her.
He's loving her.
Another man wants to love her and take care of her.
I'm sorry.
The memory of me should supersede.
I cannot reach you.
The memory of me should supersede her base desire for me.
I actually have a friend whose husband passed away and she has two daughters and she's wonderful.
And when he was dying, he said, I would like for you to move on, but never forget me.
Always talk about me to our daughters.
That was his last question.
I'm sorry.
I just, if she won't find someone who will, I just have very, you know, I just want that woman who like I'm just the final one, you know, even again, even if we only dated for like a month or something.
Well, keep on fuck any more people.
Like, I don't care.
I could like have after I break up with a girl, I could have been like with three other women after I broke up with her, but she can't date anyone after me.
You're delusional.
That's a very delulu.
Yeah, she's no, I feel like she's got to be perma stuck to me.
I'm kidding on that one.
I'm kidding.
That one's a bit ridiculous, but I will, I'm not lying.
I don't think I should have to die for A woman who, during her time on earth, after my death, would allow another man to put his penis in her.
Thankfully, the odds are in your favor.
That's probably not going to happen.
What's not going to happen?
That you're going to have to die for a woman that dramatically.
I will say, like, when you're saying, like, oh, like, if you in that situation, where it's like, you had to die for her, I do feel like you know what?
Like, in a woman's place, it's the least you could do to just like, he gave you life, basically.
Like, he let you're the reason you get to walk this earth.
The least you could do is not fuck any other man.
Now, we're talking regular life, like, you died of natural causes.
Like, and I think after some time, you grieving you, like, you should be able to like move on.
But I also feel like it also.
By the way, Tiffany, any gifted 20 and over, I don't think I told you this, not your fault.
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Yo, Natalia, thank you for the gifted 50 whatever memberships.
Natalia, guys, W's in the chat for Natalia.
What a fucking legend Natalia is.
Thank you, Natalia.
Love you.
Thank you, Natalia.
Thank you.
Oh, my God.
Oh, wait, I can do the gay voice.
That's the one I was watching.
Oh, my God, Molly.
Your little butterfly tattoo is so cute.
You do a good gay voice.
That's frightening.
It's right.
Oh my God, she's got braces too.
I just noticed.
Oh, my God.
The list is real.
Just like, and the little pretty poison.
You are so pretty.
Oh, my God.
You sound gay.
She's giving me nothing.
Molly gives me nothing.
Okay.
All right.
Next topic.
Let me blast through this.
I'm going to wrap the show early tonight.
All right.
We got Mason here.
Your virginity is still intact, Mason.
You can hide it.
Natalia, thank you very much.
Natalia, thank you.
Thank you, Natalia.
Thank you.
That was so bad.
My Trump impression is not good.
The best.
Yeah, maybe.
Okay.
I did.
Okay, we already talked about the Mason stuff.
Yeah.
We got Jade, a massage therapist.
You have Jade, you have, is it two fathers or how many?
You have how many kids?
Oh, I have my nephew that I've raised.
Oh, you don't have kids?
I don't know.
Sorry, I got my notes mixed up.
Oh, you've got disagreement.
Some of his opinions on the value of a woman past a certain age.
So what are my opinions?
What have I said?
I'm trying to remember now.
Women Losing Value with Age00:07:15
The value of a woman past a certain age.
Oh, I think it was kind of like when you have mentioned before about like when as a woman gets older, she loses her value, like because of one.
Like I think you've said before about like her ability to not have children anymore.
Like, you know, she just loses her value as age.
But then at the same time, you've like talked about like women getting like, you know, work done and this and that, but women are getting work done to present themselves as younger so they feel like they have more value because you've said that like as women get older, they lose their value.
What does that have to do with the work done thing though?
Well, first off, I haven't said that.
You did earlier.
When you were saying about like you would never pay for like your girl to get work done, like her Botox and all this and this and that.
What I'm saying that I've never said is I've never said that women lose their value as they age.
I've never flip-by saw so maybe it wasn't an act.
Well, that's not what I've said.
I've never said that.
What I can say, so just to be clear, let me preface this by saying that regardless of your age, whether you're young or you're old, all people have equal, whether you're a man or a woman, all people have equal inherent value, equal moral value.
Now, perhaps you've heard me say something like, when it comes to your value on the dating landscape, in the dating marketplace, then yes, some people have more value than others.
For example, I have, I'm a chubby, overweight 36-year-old.
I have some positive characteristics.
I have some negative characteristics.
I think a guy who's like in his mid-20s, who's a professional athlete, who makes like way more money than I do, who's incredibly fit and good-looking and tall, he would be assessed as having more value by women.
But so there's not a cope that's going on on my end.
There are things that can raise your value, lower your value.
Not as a human being.
Again, we have equal value as human beings, but the value that I, the value proposition to the opposite sex when selecting for a partner, a husband, a wife, whatever it is, people can have varying levels of value proposition.
So like an obese woman, for example, probably, generally speaking, has a lower value proposition than a woman who has a healthy BMI.
A woman who's 70 has lower value proposition on the dating marketplace than a 25-year-old supermodel.
Like more men are going to want to date the 25-year-old supermodel than the 70-year-old woman.
Now, even going beyond just more extremes, I believe a 20-year-old woman who's beautiful has a higher value proposition than a 40-year-old woman who's beautiful.
Yeah, I can agree with that when you're talking dating stance.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So it's not about like, it's not about saying that a woman as a human has less value.
It's purely like just, it's just objectively true that say like a woman who's 20 who's good looking versus like almost all things being equal, a good looking woman at 20 versus a good looking woman at 40, more men are going to gravitate towards the 20 year old across almost like most age demographics just because like, let's say that's men who want to have children.
Look, women at 40 can still get pregnant, but it's, I mean, it's harder, greater likelihood of miscarriage, birth defects, et cetera, et cetera.
Men have their own potential complications as they age too, but not to the degree that women do.
So I don't know if that explains it or if you have any pushback or so would you agree though that generally speaking as people by the way, I want to make something clear.
I also think that as men age, they also lose some of their value proposition.
In tripping over my tongue here, in a bit different of a timeline than women, but like I generally think that like there is a bit of a cope I find in some people saying, oh, well, a man peaks in his 40s.
I'm like, well, you take like a really attractive guy at 25 and put him at 40.
I still think like the hot 20 year olds would prefer to date him at 25 than him at 40.
Yeah.
So I think there's some cope there, but I do think men have a bit more of a little bit more of a runway.
Men have a longer runway when it comes to being, I guess, their attraction, attraction assessment.
But I do think like also some men can age terribly.
And So, I mean, there's all kinds of factors, but yeah.
Generally speaking, I think it goes, I think it's the both for both men and women.
I think as men age, your value can decrease.
Yeah, no, I can agree.
But there are ways, like, there are, there's intersections here.
So I think that, like, if a man at 20 was broke, but then like when he becomes 30, he's making millions of dollars a year.
He's, he's, and sometimes often resources accrue with age, right?
He's increased his value proposition.
So in that instance, you might argue that he, you know, when he's 30, he, he's more valuable, so to speak.
No, I can agree with that.
And a lot of guys have the experience of when they were 20, they wouldn't get any play, but as they got older, they got more, their options increased.
Yeah, for sure.
That's it.
Okay.
Let me see if there was anything else in terms of your disagreements then.
But yeah, I would say generally speaking, men find younger women more physically attractive.
They find them more appealing as partners.
Now, can they get them?
A lot of the time, no.
Like, I would argue your average 35-year-old guy doesn't have the requisite attractiveness to get like a hot 20-year-old.
But will they still think that 20-year-old women are more attractive than 30-year-old women?
Yes, but they can't fuck them.
So they can't get them.
They can't.
So it's like they have to, beggars can't be choosers, you know?
But yeah.
You also disagree with how many bodies she has.
Like, and that mattering, I guess.
Well, that was like kind of like with the instance we talked about earlier where it's like, when you were saying, should someone, like a man who has a high body count, like kind of like judge a woman who also has a high body count?
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That's more where that means.
Yeah, that's where I came from.
I think that's fine.
Yeah.
Well, I guess speaking of body count, what's your body count?
Eight.
Or I don't disclose the information.
You want to do a range, like a ballpark?
It's a respectable number.
Less than 10?
It's a respectable number.
More than 10?
Mason, what about you, bud?
I'm not going to disclose it.
What is it, man?
Zero.
You're a virgin.
I'm a virgin.
I'm also a virgin.
Very nice.
I'm a virgin.
I knew it.
I knew it.
I knew you were a virgin.
Exactly.
All this time.
Let's see here.
You went on a date with a guy that shit his pants halfway through.
Now, was it before or after you kissed him?
It was after.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
You did kiss him, though.
Yeah, it's the guy I'm currently seeing.
Oh, my gosh.
What?
That would be crazy.
Yeah, we were walking the oceanside pier and we were just like chilling all of a sudden.
He just like let go of my hand and walked ahead.
And I was like, oh, like, shit, I think he's mad at me or something.
And he just sprinted towards the bathroom.
And then I finally caught up to him, but he was like, yeah, I projectiles shit it all over the bathroom.
I was like, well, I guess it's kind of like a girl.
And his fairness, he had IBS at the time.
Yeah.
I mean, shit.
I mean, that's a good girl, though.
Like, you did something embarrassing on the first date, and she still stuck it out, you know?
So good, good for him, I guess.
You said why men aren't men anymore.
Oh, that, yeah, like why men aren't men anymore.
As far as like why men do fall more into like the femininity of like the gender roles, pretty much.
Like men, at least a lot of the men that I've encountered like in my environment is, I know you don't like the word beta, but like they have that aspect of like they would rather be the one that's chased.
They would rather be the one that's just like, you know, catered to and that they don't like very low effort and then expect immense effort from a woman rather than give and take, give and take.
I love that.
I know you do.
It's a better dynamic.
I think it's a better dynamic, to be honest.
Now, look, I've dated a lot of women.
I've shot my shot.
Most of the women I've dated, I've shot my shot.
But I think it's better for the woman to be the simp.
It's way better for the woman to be the sim.
Now, my belief, though, my belief, I think the woman should, I think the, well, one, if the woman likes you, it depends.
I mean, it depends on the context here.
If the woman likes you and you don't even know she exists, like let's say she's a fan of yours, like you have a toxic podcast and she watches your show and you have no fucking idea who she is.
How am I supposed to be the traditional man?
I don't know who the woman is who likes me.
She has to shoot her shot.
Otherwise, how the fuck am I going to ever?
Well, I don't even mean like shooting the shot because I'm not opposed to like a woman like addressing a man and being like, yeah, like I'm interested.
But I just mean more of like when you are now in the aspect of dating and putting in no effort and expecting 100% from you, but not giving you that same 100% back.
Well, I think the woman can at least shoot her shot and then you take on the reins from there.
You lead the way from there.
That's been my experience.
If a girl shoots her shot with me, I'll take on the reins.
I'll move things forward.
Although it is sometimes annoying when like the woman shoots her shot and then she has like zero follow through and it's just like what is follow through to you?
Like it's like, okay, you're shooting your shot and then like I'm kind of, all right, cool, talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah.
Great.
Let's meet.
And then she's like...
Taking like she's making it like a pain in the ass to actually like make that happen or whatever, like making it a big fucking complication.
Whereas some women make it seem like completely seamless.
It's just like, okay, cool.
I'll come see you.
Boom.
Make it easy.
I don't know.
But okay.
But are women women?
You say men aren't men.
Are women women?
No, a lot of women aren't women anymore.
It's all fucked up.
We should just, I don't know, let the robots take over.
AI.
What makes someone, we're going to skip that one.
Why do men say they want a wholesome woman but only go for instahos?
That's what you wrote.
So I think men shouldn't be following any women on Instagram, to be honest.
They shouldn't be liking photos.
They shouldn't be following them.
But you say that like a lot of these guys, they claim they want like wholesome women, but they're following these like fake titty women on IG and they're being gooners and degenerates.
Is this a fair trade?
As representative of the male delegation, by the way, I don't follow any women on Instagram.
I don't like women's photos.
I don't care.
But as representative of all men, obviously, do you take the following trade?
Us men, not me, but us men, we agree to never follow another woman on Instagram.
We agree to never like a woman's photo on Instagram.
But in exchange for that, you women can't have social media.
That's fine.
I don't.
Do you take the trade?
I have to take the trade.
Okay.
Maybe that's a big ass, though.
What about this?
You women can't post revealing photos.
You can't post thirst traps.
You can't post bikini photos.
You can't post photos where it's like, here's my ass.
You can't do that shit.
Do you take the trade?
Like, are you talking about like in general, like when you're in a relationship?
Because like if I'm involved with somebody, I'm never doing that because that's just disrespectful.
I don't do that, period.
I don't know.
I'd have to look at your guys' Instagrams, to be honest.
Just my babies and my kids.
Well, there you go then.
My business.
Okay.
Yeah.
Dana, you definitely have raised your daughters to be independent and capable of taking care of themselves, but they do expect a traditional man.
What does that mean, though, to be independent?
I feel like all women and girls should know that they can go out and they can take care of themselves, that they can provide for themselves, that they can get a place to live, have a car, pay their bills.
Because I never want my girls to one day be married and it not turn out how it was expected to.
Maybe they're abusive.
Who knows what can happen?
I don't want them to ever feel like I can't get out of this bad situation because I don't know how I'm going to take care of myself and my kids.
Like I want them to be able to know, it's kind of like me, even though I didn't work when my babies were little, if something were to have happened, I have an education and I have the ability to go earn as much as my husband if I want.
And I just, I really, my girls are independent, but yet they still want, quote unquote, the white picket fence situation.
But I think in this day and time, you have to raise your daughters to be strong because they are just being unleashed into a society that is nothing like traditional, if that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, obviously the question is, is like, okay, what should a woman do prior to meeting a guy?
Is she just supposed to be destitute?
Is she supposed to be homeless?
Is she just supposed to stay with her parents?
I don't think the answer is yes to any of those.
Perhaps staying with parents is fine.
But I think there tends to be a component here where what is the woman's career ambition?
So, and does her career ambition interrupt or dis what's the right word?
Does it conflict or cause problems in a relationship she has with a man?
And does it prevent her from meeting a man?
Because I think it's one thing, okay, great.
You have a nine to five, you have a regular anticipatory schedule.
You don't, you're not like some boss babe hustler who's like, it's a guy asked you out on a date on a Saturday and you're busy with your hustle.
Then that becomes like it, it goes from just she's making money to like sort of provide for a base level of comfort in her life to like chasing something beyond that creates complications in a relationship.
I've definitely encountered situations where I'm like trying to, like a girl's just so involved in her business or her hustle or whatever, where I'm like, it's hard to make a plan with her.
I'm trying to date you.
Right.
You're too busy.
You, as a woman, you should never be too busy to go on a date if you like the guy.
Like, you should never be too busy like that.
So, I think there's a balance that women can strike between having a job that isn't like, I don't know, maybe they shouldn't be some like 70-hour per week attorney where it's like, hi, I'd like to take you on a date on a Saturday at 7 p.m.
Oh, sorry.
I got a big case coming up.
I can't go on a date.
Not that I don't like you.
So, there's a balance that I think women should strike there when it comes to being independent.
If it's complicated, like you got shit going on and I want to see you on a weekend or something, and she can't, it's like, okay, well.
Well, have you ever heard that saying that those who want to make time?
Yeah, but there's also genuinely you don't have that.
There are genuinely types of jobs where you are that busy.
Yeah, that's true.
It's like, I got shit to do.
I got the deadline.
I got XYZ.
And so I think those types of jobs maybe are not well suited for someone looking for marriage and traditional.
Yeah, because I think like if I encounter a woman who let's and look, sometimes women will use the excuse because they're just not that into you.
But let's assume that they are into you, but they're genuinely busy to the point where it's a frustration to go on a date with you or she cancels.
Like she, oh, something came up and I've got to cancel.
Or you could just have a nine-to-five job where you're not going to get blindsided by some bullshit and prioritize meeting up with me.
And I'm like, in my mind, I've had situations where even like a girl who's got like a shitty $20 an hour job, I've had this situation occur.
And I'm thinking in my head, okay, you can get any 20, you get five, you could get fired from your job and you can find another job that'll pay you $20 an hour.
Like that's not some big career loss to get fired from a like a $20 an hour job.
But I've literally had, like, and I look, I'm not going to brag, but like, I make good money.
And it's like, I'm literally my value proposition that I'm offering here is if you're with me, you're never going to have to work.
And I have women who will cancel a date on me because they got called into their $20 an hour job.
I'm like, are you fucking retarded?
If you're with me, you never have to work.
You're going to cancel our date because you got called into your $20 an hour job.
Okay, I see where your, I see where your fuck, what's it called?
Priorities.
Priorities are.
And it's like, I don't know.
I think it depends on what the woman wants.
I mean, obviously, if you're in that kind of situation, you don't really want to date.
You know?
I don't know.
But, okay, let's see.
Going to, I think, Molly's notes, right?
Wait, where was I?
How did I get there?
I saw you did some content with Churdley's, Molly.
Are you Polly?
You and your husband, are you Polly?
Dating other people or whatever?
No.
Okay, never mind.
I saw you did content with Churdley's.
I was going to ask if you smashed Churdley's.
No.
But no, you're not Polly, so disregard.
You went on a date with a guy who happened to have a girlfriend.
He told you up front he was looking for a polyamorous relationship and you agreed to also date him while he still dated her.
Oh, I actually was when I was you sent me those are the first questions and then the second ones I kind of answered it in my second ones.
What I mean by that is me personally, I think, well, for example, that's my now husband.
He had a girlfriend, which I didn't care because if I'm gonna be with someone forever, I feel like the guy I wanted him to be able to choose.
Like, I'm not a jealous person, so I think it's okay that a man can explore his options and choose, but when it comes down to like being with someone forever, you only get one person, which he chose to be me.
Okay, so he was in an open relationship.
Yeah, she, the girlfriend didn't quite like having someone else around, but so eventually they did break up due to that, but yeah.
So you were both dating him at the same time, though.
Yeah, but we were not dating each other, me and her, no.
No, not you and her, but you were both dating your now husband.
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Yes.
Okay.
She got jealous and then she broke up with him.
And now, wait, I'm confused.
Wait, wait, wait.
You said you're married, but when did you reach out to us?
I reached out to you like this week.
You said he's the guy you're currently engaged to.
When did you get married?
We got married, like, we got together right about when I just had turned 18.
Maybe a few months after that.
So we had been together.
I don't know.
When did you get married?
I don't know the exact date, but.
How do you not know?
Whoa, that's...
Hold on.
What?
Huh?
How would you know?
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no.
That's fucking bullshit.
That's fucking bullshit.
Do you want to call him?
No, that's total bullshit.
Who doesn't know the exact date they get married?
That's like your anniversary date.
Well, I have, I mean, you're putting me on the spot, so I have anxiety about it.
I can't answer things on the spot, but I am very much.
Could you answer when your birthday is?
You don't have to tell me, but...
Right, but that's a date.
Like, how do you not know when you're you got married?
Because I don't know the exact date.
Was there a wedding?
Not really.
It was kind of just like...
Did you just go to the courthouse?
Well, it was in Vegas.
I honestly don't know the date, but like I told you, we were.
So wait, you got legally married or you had just like a ceremony with an Elvis?
I was legally married.
Okay.
I don't know why I'm being questioned for if I'm married.
I don't, that's an Well, because in your messages to us, you said you were engaged.
Uh-huh.
And you messaged us a week ago.
So did you get married in the past week?
No.
So then why did a week ago you said you were engaged?
But I don't know if you realize that I also messed up in my other message by saying that I was Polly, which I'm not.
When did you say you were Polly?
Like you just said, if you read my first messages, they're a little bit different than my second group of messages.
I said that I said yes to being in a polyamorous relationship, but then I clarified that because I don't know when I was doing the questions, I was super excited, wasn't thinking, but upon answering the second questions you gave me, there's way more detail and the answers are correct.
Okay, so then you were mistaken in your messaging then, I guess.
But you said currently engaged to.
Yes, but we're married legally.
Legally married.
Yes, we've been married for over a year.
I mean, I'm about to turn 20.
We got married like within three or four months of being together.
You said it was controversial.
It's controversial.
You believe women are meant to serve men and men should be treated like what?
Well, I mean...
Wait, wait, wait.
Men should be treated like what?
Did you who wrote this for you?
I wrote this.
Men should be treated like what?
I don't know.
These were your own words.
Yes, but I don't write that.
Who wrote this for you?
I wrote that for myself, but I don't know.
Men exactly what I wrote.
You wrote women are meant to serve men and men should be treated like kings.
Okay, well, I could have answered that, but I didn't know if I would have wrote that.
Anyone could have answered that, but that's so like it.
Okay.
But that's also not controversial to anything we've talked about today.
I was expecting it to be controversial, controversial, but I was expecting.
I'm not going to ask these women.
Well, I was expecting a bunch of liberals, so that's why I said it would be.
I'll debate you on any of this, but okay, so I mean, even conservative women will have contentions with you, conservative women, will have contentions with you about your claim that women are meant to serve men.
I don't know.
I think these women might disagree with you.
And they probably do, but I believe that.
Do you?
Are women meant to serve men?
Not meant to serve, but supposedly.
Gladly, when the dynamic is correct, you have my complete submission, devotion, all of it.
Obviously, he has to do his part.
I'm not meaning any random man, but my husband, yes, I'm supposed to serve him.
All right.
You also said that men should also be allowed to explore their options in dating.
Is that what you're talking about?
Like date.
Yes, before.
So, like I explained the situation with my boyfriend at the time, I believe guys should be able to date multiple girls in the beginning before they decide to settle down with someone so they can see if that's the right fit for them.
Which not everyone agrees with, but yeah.
Goodness.
I mean, yeah, I mean, it just, I don't know.
So re-explain your point again.
I'm trying to, I'm trying to wrap my head around this.
It's very different from probably what you would agree with, but I just believe that if a guy's gonna dedicate his life to being with someone to take care of her forever, to like, like, provide, protect, that he has the right to like have choices.
He shouldn't just meet me and then I should expect him to instantly devote everything to me.
I, there should be a period of like the dating period where he still has other options and he chooses the best wife for him, you could say.
Yeah, well, so I guess what like the issue I think Brian is having is like, I don't know, it seems like there's like you're saying certain things, but then like you come back and infer other positions.
I don't know.
It's just kind of, it is kind of strange.
It is kind of strange.
Like, like, it does sound like you might not have written these messages.
So I wrote my messages.
I mean, I can probably, if I don't, I don't know how I wouldn't have written them.
How did I know what that one said before he even said it?
I mean, you wrote it.
Yeah, I wrote it.
I don't know why I'm being questioned.
I mean, did I, are you saying if I wrote AI to answer my questions, I can't answer because I don't have an OF manager.
Your boyfriend?
Well, I mean, even if you Did have an OF manager, you wouldn't, a lot of women wouldn't admit to it, but or it could just be your husband or fiancé or boyfriend or whatever.
But you say you find you're a Republican, you're very religious, but your line of work is against all that.
I mean, we kind of talked about that.
You said you're very religious, though.
Yeah, so I do believe in God strongly, even though I know what I'm doing isn't in line with that.
I do believe in him, and I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I do consider myself to be very religious.
I don't know how you'd so you can believe in God, believe in religion or whatever, but I don't know if you can take the label very religious.
Yeah, like I think when I think of someone very religious, this is somebody who very much observes the religion.
Yeah, like at cost, at own personal cost, I will dedicate my life to this religion.
Yeah.
And so your worldly materialism supersedes because you would agree that people can struggle financially and not turn to sex work.
Yeah.
Right.
So your desire for material through your sex work is contradictory to religion.
So you might believe in God.
So yeah, I guess I don't think you're very religious.
Yeah, I agree with you there.
Maybe I'm wording it like wrong.
I don't follow the beliefs.
So if that's what being very religious means, then I guess I'm not.
But I do believe in God and everything he says, but I don't.
Well, you know who else believes in God and everything he says?
The devil believes in God and everything he says, but he lives his life exactly opposed to it.
So who is your God?
Because it's probably not the one that you say it is.
It's not the devil.
I'm not saying it's the devil.
What it sounds like is saying that you are your own God because your desires, your life, is more important than his commandments and his desires for your life.
Because I mean, you might be able to say that that's not true, but your life suggests otherwise.
Do you think God wants you doing sex work?
No.
Okay.
Which just suggests that you don't actually see God as God.
You see yourself as God because your cares and desires and the struggles that you would have to put up with are more important than the things that he puts importance upon.
I believe that God loves everybody and I know that what I'm doing is wrong, but he will forgive me for it.
And he is able to understand everything everyone is going through.
So.
Yeah.
Well, do you think he's going to forgive everybody for everything they've done?
Yes, he will.
Really?
So hell is empty?
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No.
Okay, so who goes to hell then?
I guess it depends what you do.
If you kill someone, but he does say that God forgives everybody.
He will forgive you.
Well, so then who's in hell?
People that he's already forgiven?
I don't know why people would go to hell.
I don't know.
I don't know what decides you're going to hell, but God will forgive everyone.
So I guess maybe the people who are in hell are people who went to hell and they didn't repent for their sins before they died.
I do have a chat coming through here.
Blahfest.
I was told recently that beer is full of female hormones.
I disagreed, but later on I drank nine or ten pints.
Then, suddenly, I find myself to be quite obnoxious, opinionated, and I couldn't drive at all.
Hops.
I think he's talking about hops in the beer.
Thank you, Blafes.
Appreciate it.
All right.
I'll just move it on.
You said your first date led to moving into someone's garage less than one week in.
It brought you to a house, to a mansion, and then living on the beach all within 1.5 years.
Is that your current guy?
Yeah.
Okay.
We moved in together basically immediately, very quick.
And then he was working on the business in Utah and got things going for us.
And it's always been his dream to come to LA.
So we eventually moved here, and that's when he got sick.
Okay.
You said modern-day women have forgotten what being a woman is.
Feminism has destroyed so much.
Woke.
Okay.
Agreed.
Wokeness and men hate.
Excuse me.
Wokeness and men hate is out of control and is ruining relationships.
You also think God should be involved.
So what is the man hate that you disagree with, I guess?
I think now a lot of women hate men just because, for one, it's a trend.
I think just I hate men because who knows really why?
It's just a trend.
But I hear men are just cheaters.
Men, you hear all the things they do wrong, and all men are bad.
Like the bear example that most women would say they'd rather be alone with a bear than a man, which is just crazy.
I mean, you're, there's, that's just not logical at all.
So I just feel like men get hate for no reason when I mean, if you were to say the same example about anybody else, like, I don't know, if I was to, if I saw a black person kill someone, can I be scared of all black people now because they killed someone who was white and now I can hate all of them?
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No, I can't.
So the same thing should go for men or anybody.
Yeah, I mean, agreed.
You support ICE also?
Okay.
Does anybody, anybody else here an ICE supporter?
Hell no.
Hell no?
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Mics, guys, please.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
So hell no.
Why do you say hell no?
Because I just don't believe that.
Well, I don't agree with the way that things have been handled with ICE, with how, like, current situations.
I do believe that in a country we need like areas of protection.
Absolutely.
There should be enforcements that are there to protect us.
But going after people who aren't an actual threat to us, like our own citizens who do also pay taxes.
And I mean, if you want to be real, like, this shit is stolen land at the end of the day.
So that's just what it is.
Okay, hold on.
No, I just mean like we are all, we all come from somewhere.
Like I come from, like my ancestry comes from somewhere different.
Your ancestry comes from somewhere different.
So I don't think that is a basis of, oh, because you were not born here, you don't belong here.
Okay, hold on.
A couple things.
What is stolen land?
Well, this land was stolen.
It was not.
This land was stolen.
It was not stolen.
Like all of America.
All of America?
So Native American.
Wait, wait, wait.
So, Native Americans, prior to the arrival of Europeans, they Native Americans occupied all pieces of land in the United States.
I mean, I cannot say, oh, they occupied 100% of everybody.
What percentage of land did Native Americans occupy?
But a lot of land.
But it's just the fact that you can't murder people, take the land, and like, oh, well, but that's what the natives did, though.
I mean, they skinned each other alive.
They absolutely obliterated each other.
They did horrendous things to each other.
I'm not saying they didn't, but I'm saying when you're talking about immigration, right?
Where they colonizers, whatever, right?
Like settlers.
Settlers, yeah.
They came here.
Agreed.
They're not born here.
So does that mean every person that comes after them doesn't belong here?
Indigenous people weren't actually born here either.
They actually traveled here from what was it, Asia.
Okay, so then when there was a land break.
People say then, like, oh, because you weren't born here, you don't belong here.
No one was born here.
None of us belonged to them.
No, because I am a citizen.
Because I'm a citizen here, I belong here.
But there are how many citizens because people invaded this country as non-citizens, demanding all of the benefits.
Have committed domestic terrorism, murdered innocent people and children, and they were from here.
They were born here.
They're Americans.
And they go to jail.
They go to jail here.
They're a society.
And when we're in the middle of the day, I'm not saying they don't go to jail, but I'm just saying that you can't say that because someone is from somewhere else that they don't have a right to have a better life.
So if somebody, hold on.
Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
So if somebody else's child broke into my house and, let's say, broke a vase of mine, should I put them in timeout into one of my bedrooms?
No.
I should kick them out of my house.
I should tell their parents, hey, you need to punish this kid because he broke something in my house.
Okay, but that's the exact point I'm making.
You're talking about someone who has done wrong.
I'm not talking about people who are committing crimes.
Say a neighbor's kid.
So say a neighbor's kid just walks into my house.
What should I do?
Should I welcome him in?
Hey, you haven't done anything wrong yet.
So you should just.
If a child just walks into your house, you're not going to be like, get the fuck out of my house.
You're going to inquire what's going on first.
You're going to kick him out.
You're not going to immediately kick a child out of your house.
I can assure you, I did one day.
Yeah, you're going to kick a child out of the house.
So a couple things here.
Oh, no.
It's not unrealistic.
Let's establish a couple things here.
So you're in favor of deporting the illegal immigrants who commit crimes.
Correct.
Who are violent?
Yes.
Who are violent.
Let me go back actually.
You are in favor of deporting illegal immigrants who commit crimes.
Yeah, like crimes that are like harming against people, drugs and people.
What about just commit crimes?
Okay, if we're talking about people who are like traffic shit and stuff like that, then no, like I don't think that's validity to kick someone out.
But if someone is traffic?
Yeah, like there's some people who like traffic drugs or what do you think?
No, no, no, like traffic stop, like traffic violations, like civil violations.
No, I'm talking about crimes.
Yeah, but if you're talking about like drug crimes, murder, things like that, absolutely.
Like that's, you don't deserve to be like, I understand.
And like I said, like I come from, you know, an immigrant ancestry, and I know in certain areas, right, like that have, that's deadly for them.
So like if I'm thinking parent-wise, right?
If I have an opportunity, legal, paper-wise or not, to give my family a better opportunity, I'm going to do that.
And I'm going to, once I'm there, I'm going to earn every day that I'm there.
So if you're here illegally, unless you like overstate a visa or something, although this might still come, this might be some other sort of immigration crime.
Illegal border crossing into the United States is a federal crime.
That is a crime.
It's 8 USC.
I just looked it up, 1325.
Yeah, I'm a federal crime.
I'm not saying that.
So they are.
Okay.
But so my position would be: even if you're completely law-abiding and you're here illegally, deport.
Yes.
Yes.
Deport.
Yes.
Deport them all.
Are you?
Are you an illegal immigrant?
No, I'm not.
Okay.
Don't worry.
I'm not going to call ICE on you.
You can.
You would.
I know.
You don't get that far.
Look, if I had an illegal immigrant on the show, I would not call ICE on them.
I would not.
That would be inappropriate.
But yeah, so basically, anybody who is here illegally, who is not a citizen, they should be subject to deportation.
I disagree.
Okay.
So I understand what you were saying, this argument of, well, who wouldn't want a better life?
So perhaps even myself, if I was born in Honduras or some shit, maybe I would try to get into the country.
But I wouldn't be surprised if I got deported.
So I understand the motivation for wanting to live in the United States.
It's one of the most prosperous nations in the world.
I think it's the best country in the world.
I'm not going to be able to do it with like the Department of ICE in a whole, I'm talking about like currently the state of things, how things have been handled, how people have been treated.
I do not agree with that.
I didn't, you know, I wasn't like super anti-ICE.
But let me say that things have been, I do not know.
Well, there's a lot of propaganda and politics involved in that.
People were being deported in just a similar way back during Obama, back during Biden, even like going, you can go back, back, back.
I've never had a problem.
Illegally, I'm not sure.
I think they say that I was socially aware of that then as I was saying.
Obama deported a bunch of people.
They were being apprehended, sometimes physically, sometimes violently.
And if that's, I was, then that's wrong too.
No, it's not wrong to physically detain.
If it's happening the way that it's that I see it happening.
So hold on.
Let's go ahead and cut through the noise.
Let's go ahead and grant that ICE has made some mistakes in either like their conduct towards citizens of the United States, or it's certainly if you're going to be mass deporting people.
Yeah, there's going to be instances where ICE, you know, was a bit rough or there might have been brutality or whatever.
And I'm going to agree with you in all provable and true instances of police misconduct or police brutality or even unjustified killings, which whatever.
Let's go ahead and agree that those are all wrong.
Now, the central mission of ICE is to deport illegal immigrants.
That mission ought to continue going on despite their perhaps.
Look, if you're going to be policing an entire nation, you're going to be enforcing immigration laws.
Police are not perfect.
They're going to make mistakes.
Let's go ahead and grant that, yeah, if there were instances of unjust killing or there were instances of them being too rough or whatever it is, that maybe that should be addressed.
Maybe there can be redress in the court system.
Maybe the specific officers involved in that should be reprimanded or fired.
But the core mission of ICE is to deport illegal immigrants.
You're against that.
I mean, for me, it's just like if someone is here and they're not posing a danger and they're literally just providing a better life for their family, they're paying the same tax as I am.
So I don't see an issue with them being in this country.
They're not posing.
It is damaged.
It is a threat.
Do you know how it's a threat, though?
It's because it costs the American taxpayer so much money.
Why do you think the taxes in California are so high?
Because a ton of fraud is going on.
Who's the guy?
No, it was Nick Shirley.
Yeah, Nick Shirley.
He helped uncover like, what is it?
Almost like millions.
I know hundreds of millions of dollars of fraud occurring in California.
A lot because of illegal immigration.
Because they can take that money with no tax, no tax on it.
They can have all of these benefits that we as Americans pay for.
Yeah, you know, it would be fantastic and would probably lower taxes a lot if all of those illegal immigrants were deported.
Then we'd be able to afford the housing that we need.
All prices for things would drop like rocks.
It would be so much better.
So it is very devastating and harmful to American citizens.
But not every immigrant, even here in California, doesn't pay illegal immigrants, doesn't pay taxes.
I know many, and they all pay their taxes from their job.
So that's why I'm saying, like, I'm not talking just about like people who are coming and just taking tank and like I'm talking about people who are, even though they didn't come in the way people, like the right way with the paperwork and all that, they are doing like the same job that I am.
They are paying their taxes.
They are being law-abiding citizens.
They just got themselves in the middle of the day.
So they should be rewarded for cheating the system.
That a lot of people that they're being rewarded with being granted into the country while other people are waiting in line to be able to get in the right way.
Why should the people who are waiting in the line to get in correctly, why are they being punished for people who shouldn't even be here?
Okay, but then you could also say for some of the people who are coming here the right way, why is it easier for some, certain people from different countries to get in here faster than others?
If they are doing it at the same time and they have the same mission, why do like white immigrants get to get in here faster, which I have seen on many occasions versus people from like Central America, the Caribbean, like Asia.
There's a whole lot of, there's a whole lot of things that come up behind that.
So if someone comes in from a country who is like, okay, so say someone tries to come in from Afghanistan, like there's a lot of things I need to be able to look into for someone who's coming from Afghanistan.
Like I need to figure out if they have any ties to any terrorist organizations.
I got to figure out exactly where they're coming from, who are their connections in Afghanistan, because there's a lot of shady stuff that goes on there.
However, if someone is trying to come here from England...
There's a lot of shady stuff that happens in every country.
No, not like that.
If someone's trying to come from England, like, and they're an Englishman, their family has lived in England forever, and they're trying to become a U.S. citizen.
There's a lot less I'm going to have to really dig into.
There's a lot less, like, I'm going to have to figure out, are they a felon?
If they're not a felon, okay.
Well, like, there's not really too many things.
I mean, we're allies with England.
So there aren't too many.
There's not like a drug treatment.
Well, they're also the people from England speak English.
They're going to be able to assimilate to the culture.
So much easier.
They're going to be able to maneuver through life easier if you speak the culture.
There are a lot less hurdles that they're going to have to jump over to be able to integrate to our society.
Okay, but when you go to another country even to travel, you don't learn the entire language immediately.
No, but I respect their customs.
Okay, you may be able to get in those certain ways, but there are certain prejudices that prevent people from getting in the right way.
So, even if we were to grant that there is, and I actually haven't seen any evidence of this, that there's some sort of prejudice that offers white people preferential treatment in legal immigration.
Legal immigration is completely irrelevant to, for the most part, it's completely irrelevant to the question of illegal immigration.
So, in this case, if you want to levy criticisms of the legal immigration system and suggest that it's racist, you're welcome to do that.
But that doesn't pertain whatsoever as to illegal immigration.
So, yeah, we should deport all the illegal immigrants.
I don't care if they've committed zero crimes or whatever.
They all have to go.
Well, you can go ahead and feel that way, but I disagree.
Yeah, so I want to get back to the stolen land thing, though.
So, again, most someone in the chat might be able to correct me.
Quite a bit of American land was purchased.
So, you had the Louisiana purchased.
We purchased like Alaska, for example, from Russia.
So, much of the United States was actually purchased.
The rest of it was conquered, not stolen, conquered.
That's different.
All countries in Europe were conquered one way or like the people were conquered.
There were kings who were conquering each other, fighting each other.
So, you might not like it, but conquest for all territories in the United States is the way that nations have been formed pretty much everywhere.
So, is European, is like European countries, are they stolen land from other white people, I guess?
But yeah, I don't understand the stolen land thing.
Well, when I say stolen land, I'm not talking about like, I mean, obviously, I'm not talking about every single piece of land, but there were absolutely instances in our history as far as America where they were forcefully purchased, right?
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When you say, like, either you're going to sell us this land or we're going to kill you.
Well, it might be the case.
Absolutely so far.
However, pretty much every other piece of land on earth is under the same circumstances.
And I do not agree that that's right.
So, what every piece of land is stolen?
What is your proposal?
Should there not be borders?
I'm not saying there shouldn't be borders, but I'm just saying that you shouldn't be able to.
Is Mexico stolen land?
I mean, didn't you say every piece is stolen at this point?
I didn't say that.
I didn't say that.
I'm trying to use your logical.
I'm trying to use your logic to be able to come to a conclusion.
Well, my logic is that I feel like everybody has a right to make a life better for themselves if they're not posing a violent or dangerous threat.
If someone wants to come here and make themselves with their family and escape danger from where they currently live, I don't have an issue with that.
That's my personal opinion.
You can absolutely feel differently.
But I would say that's a good idea.
Wait, hold up.
So, if a homeless man decides he wants to get out of his terrible situation, he breaks into my home and demands that I take care of him.
He is posing a threat to you by breaking into the country.
That is completely different than entering a country.
They broke into the country, though.
Yeah, this is our country.
They broke into the country and they're going to take the benefits of our country for themselves.
We're just not going to agree on this.
Because your conclusion is not based in logic.
It's based on feelings.
Okay.
But that's my conclusion.
Okay.
I mean, as long as you understand that your conclusion is not coming from any logical basis, it's based upon literally how you feel.
Because logically speaking, we're trying to walk you through it.
And it's just, you're just refusing to do so.
I am.
You're right.
I am refusing to do so because for me, I just can't see it that way.
Well, really quick, the stolen land thing is curious to me.
Even if we grant that the land is stolen, are you saying then thus there can be no laws as it relates to borders on that land?
No, it's honestly, honestly, where the root of all of it comes from is I personally just, I'm all about love and respect.
And especially within like my faith, like I just don't believe in turning.
Yes.
Which faith?
I don't believe in turning away people who want better for themselves.
What faith?
Christian?
Yes.
Like I just don't.
There's nothing in Christianity that's contrary to love thy neighbor is absolutely a part of that.
Well, you can.
They are our neighbors.
No, actually, actually, God and his word gives a hierarchical prioritization of who you're supposed to love.
As a man, I'm supposed to love my wife above everybody else.
I will throw my children under a bus before I do so, my wife.
And then it goes children.
So it's your entire family.
That's your second prioritization.
Your third prioritization is your neighborhood, in your city.
The next prioritization is your country.
And at the very bottom is every other country.
So I'm not going to prioritize people of another country over my own country.
And that's described in the Bible.
Yes, I do love people from other countries.
I want to share the word with them.
But I care about people from my country more than I care about them because it's my duty to protect my own countrymen.
That's explained in the Bible.
Why do you think God has established his country and his people in the Old Testament, the Jewish people?
Like he prioritizes them above everybody else.
Why do you think that's good?
Well, I can, when you say, okay, like you prioritize like your country over everywhere else, like you love your country more than anyone else, I guess that's where the difference is is because I don't just see it as like, oh, I only love my country before, or I love my country more than anywhere else.
I'm not saying that's my position.
That's the position described.
As you say, if you say you're a Christian, that's described in the Bible.
Okay, well, then for me, it's like, maybe that's just like one of my human things.
It's like, I just don't see it as separate.
Like, I love everyone.
I want everyone to have the best life.
And if I don't, I just don't see what's wrong if someone wants to come here and make a better life for themselves.
Like, if they're not.
Because I care about the people in my country more than I care about the people in other countries.
Okay, well, I care about everyone the same.
Like, I can't say I care about the people.
Well, that's not true.
That's definitely not true.
So do you give me a question?
No, okay.
So the nephew that you are, you're parenting.
Like, do you care about the people outside of your home the same you care about him?
Well, that's kind of fun.
I'm making the point.
No, but I feel like you care about people in prioritization.
Where you live and wherever you're born is different than like the care you have for your child.
That's different.
But there is a prioritization.
For some.
And like for you, that's fine.
If you feel those ways, because this country is your priority, you put this country before anywhere else, then, okay, I understand your mindset, but that doesn't change mine.
I don't feel like it's a wrong thing for someone to come here to do better for their family by whatever those means are.
But what if it's going to cost?
What if having these people is going to cost the people that you live around?
Is that good?
Do you not care about those people that you live around?
It's going to cost them.
It's going to make it harder for them to afford their housing, to afford their jobs, to afford having a family, because you want to be nice to the people in that other country that are having a hard time.
Whereas they could just make their country better.
They could just start prioritizing the investment they make into their own country instead of breaking into ours.
I mean, I think what you can see is like with even with our country, just because the people of the country want something to be done a certain way or different doesn't mean it's going to happen.
I think saying them saying, oh, they should fix their country, their government should absolutely do that.
But they, a single, whatever, like a single family, that mom, whatever, son, that family is not going to be able to change their country.
But they're going to do whatever it is.
So they should come in the legal way.
That's your opinion.
Like, I don't know if you're going to be able to do that.
No, that's the opinion of literally every country that's ever.
I'm doing whatever it takes to provide better for my family.
Even if that means going into a country.
Which is prioritizing your family over the people that are trying to break into your country.
I agree.
I have a question.
Do you like America?
Do you like living here?
Of course.
I love America.
I'm born here.
And like, why do you like it, though?
Like, do you, like, why do you prefer living here over Mexico?
Well, it's not that I prefer living here.
It's just like, this is what I know.
This is like where my family is.
So like, that's why I would have, it's like, not like I'm opposed to living elsewhere.
Like, I, this is what my familiarity is.
This is, there's a lot of opportunity here compared to like some other countries.
So like that is a main reason why I'm here is because of opportunity.
A couple things.
Stolen land.
There are portions of the United States that are not stolen land.
Okay.
Okay.
I don't even buy into the stolen land paradigm, but if we find an illegal immigrant who hasn't committed any, well, violent crimes, you're fine with us deporting the violent illegal immigrants.
If someone is here yet and they're killing people, hurting people, like that drives.
Okay, then you're fine with that.
So let's say it's an illegal immigrant who hasn't done any of that shit, but they're on, we apprehend them on a piece of American land that was not stolen.
Can we deport them?
I don't see why we have to deport someone who's not.
Right, so it has nothing to do with the stolen land.
If you're not willing to grant that on the pieces of American land that is not stolen, if you're out the stolen land, okay, you have to abandon the stolen land.
That's fine, but I'm saying there's no, I still don't see okay, you abandon stolen land.
I'm still saying I don't see.
Do you abandon stolen land?
Well, not all land was not stolen.
No, but you have to abandon.
If your position is, well, even on land that isn't stolen, we still shouldn't deport illegal immigrants, then your argument that we shouldn't deport illegal immigrants because stolen land crumbles.
There has to be other justification for why we should not deport people.
I'm not sure there's other justification besides the stolen land part.
Okay, great.
So pushing stolen land aside.
So then you're still in favor, even if it's not stolen land, that we should not deport them.
Yeah, I think you should allow people to have the opportunity to make better for themselves.
Question for you.
In a hypothetical scenario, what percentage of the world population do you think, or you could give me a number, like 500 million, 1 billion, 2 billion, 3 billion?
What percentage of people out there in the world, many of which live in third world nations and in like robust, terrible poverty, how many people in the world would like to live in the United States?
I can't give you an.
I don't know that number.
How many people live in India?
I don't know that exact number either.
I would argue 99% of people who live in India would rather live in the United States.
Do you know how many people live in India?
I think there's a lot of people that would rather.
Tell me how much.
Give me a number.
No, I don't know how many people are.
Guess.
Yes.
Guess.
80 million.
I don't know.
There's 80 million people.
It's like 1.3 or 1.4 billion people in India.
The United States population is what, just shy of 400 or what is it?
300 something.
300?
Where is it at?
It's middle.
Do you think the United States, let's say, and say, you know what?
It's not 99% of Indian people want to move to the United States.
Let's say it's only 50.
So let's say it's 700 million people, which is about double the population of the United States.
Do you think the United States has the infrastructure and the capacity to allow in 700 million people?
No.
But they want a better life for themselves.
Why should they not come here?
I understand what you're saying, like as far as the numbers of it.
Like I understand that, but I'm just saying that for me personally, I wouldn't be able to say like I'm okay with someone just being deported just because they didn't come through the proper channels.
Have you ever been to India?
No, I haven't.
So let's say we were to import 1 billion Indians into the United States.
Do you think the United States would continue remaining to look at numbers?
Why?
Wait, wait, hold on.
But if we were to import 1 billion Indians, do you think the United States would continue to look like the United States?
Or would it look like India within 20 years?
Absolutely.
Like India?
I don't, I can't say.
I don't, I'm not.
It would look like India.
Okay.
For sure.
So do we, as Americans, as citizens, owe a stewardship to our fellow citizens and to our country to not like entirely fuck up the great thing that we have going for here, which is America?
Like I said, I can't personally say that.
I know it feels good to let all those immigrants in.
It feels like the right thing to do.
This is honestly, I don't know.
You need to prioritize your family, so we're not going to let the immigrants in.
That's your opinion.
Yeah, so ultimately, it's not like my opinion is changing what's happening.
The issue is, is that you say it doesn't have an impact, but even if these people are like, by the way, I fucking love Mexicans.
They're fucking dope.
I love Mexicans.
They're great.
They're hard workers.
I love their food.
Trust me, I love their food.
I love their food.
And they're great people.
Yeah, no, Mexicans are...
Mexicans are great people.
I want them.
And I want their country to prosper.
They're our neighbors.
They're fucking dope.
Mexicans are fucking great.
But they should prosper in their country.
They should prosper in their country.
Wait, wait, but also, also, like the people that are going to leave Mexico to come here, those tend to be the ambitious people.
Those tend to be the hard workers.
Mexico needs ambitious people.
Mexico needs intelligent people.
Mexico needs the hard workers and all that stuff.
What you have happening a lot of times is called brain drain.
So like the smart people, they're like, fuck, this country sucks.
I'm not talking about Mexico, but like any country.
Like you can see people leaving like Europe because they're like, oh, I'd rather live in the United States or whatever.
You get brain drain and countries need like their highly intelligent, high IQ people to like be part of the infrastructure, be part of the government, et cetera, et cetera.
So if you just allow like the best of the best to come to America, I mean, it's good, can be good for us, I guess.
But like then that creates a system where those countries can't flourish because all the talent comes to the United States.
So in furtherance of the flourishing of these other countries, it's actually doing them harm by just allowing all these people to come here legally or illegally.
And I can agree with what you're saying as far as like those countries do need those ambitious people to like, but at the same time, like I said, that comes from like a government standpoint.
If they're.
What is a government but the people it's made of, of individuals.
Okay, but the individuals don't control the government.
And by the way, like, look, Mexico has some issues, but it's not like.
I'm not even talking about Mexico.
Like, there's, honestly, the most of like the dangerous places I'm even talking about is more like Central America, like El Salvador.
Okay, they should stop.
First off, they should stop in Mexico then.
First off, if you're seeking asylum, you're supposed to stop in the first country that is safe.
You're not supposed to, like, I'm just going to keep going to like the more preferable country.
Also, Mexico, they speak Spanish there.
So, like, you can assimilate better to the culture in which you actually speak the language.
We shouldn't be taking on people who can't even speak English.
Control where people go to, whether they stop in Mexico or whether they control the people.
Actually, you can control where people go to.
Do you know how?
I'm talking about I can't control them.
Okay, but guess what?
I'm not going to agree that, like, on your standpoint, we're just not going to agree.
So, it's like, it's an agree to disagree.
Well, there is.
That's your opinion.
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I'm not trying to sit here and force you to change your opinion because of mine.
It's just your view.
The point of this discussion is not for me to try to force your opinion.
I know it's not you trying to force your opinion on me.
The point of this discussion is to show the people watching at home that there is one opinion coming from logic, reasoning, prioritizing the caring of our families, our communities.
And there's an argument being made to prioritize the emotional, like, I feel like it would be nice to let people in my country to pursue a better life, even though it's going to cost my family, the citizens that live around me in this country, even though it's going to make our lives harder.
It's going to be harder to find housing.
It's going to be harder to afford our lives here.
But it's going to feel nice to let people into our country illegally.
I want to piggyback off what Mason was saying there.
So even for the illegal immigrants that they're not committing crimes, many of the illegal immigrants, they're not like violent.
They're not thugs.
Many of them are just like good people, like you said, who want a better life.
And that's, look, if I was born in fucking, I don't know, Venezuela and my prospects were shit, hey, shit, maybe I, maybe even I would do it.
Maybe I would do it.
I would try.
Like, shit, I think people are self-serving in that sense, but I wouldn't be all surprised.
Like, if I, for example, me, maybe Japan's super dope, right?
Never been.
But look, Asian women are hot, not gonna lie, especially the Japanese.
Like, if I just went to Japan and I was like, you know what?
I'm just gonna stay here.
Fuck the process.
I'm just running through these Asian women like it's nuts.
And they're just like making weird noises during sex.
It's crazy, bro.
Have you seen Japanese porn?
That shit's wild.
So anyways, just kidding.
But I want to stay in Japan because the Japanese women, they're more trad.
They're hotter.
Whatever it is, right?
They make like weird.
Okay, never mind.
I'm being cringe.
So I wouldn't be surprised, though, if like Japan deported me.
Like, would you be, I'm sure you don't object to like Japan deporting people?
I'm not saying like, oh, like, I'm would, I would be surprised if they deported you.
It's just more.
Do you think, okay, hold on.
Is it justified for Japan to deport me?
Yeah, I'm not saying that.
But hold on.
I've moved there for a better life.
I'm just trying to fuck their Japanese women.
It's not justified.
Like you said, at the end of the day, like it's a crime that's being committed.
Yes, to come into this country.
No, but you're saying we shouldn't deport the illegal immigrants.
I feel like I'm moving to Japan for a better life.
I need that Japanese pussy.
But what I'm saying is, just because just because I feel that way, like that's just my approach.
Like you said, it's like where did your empathy coming from?
Wait, wait, wait.
But okay, would you be fine with the Japanese deporting me?
No, I mean, like, I don't feel that's I feel the same exact way.
It's like you're not committing, you're not a dangerous one, you're not committing a crime.
Like, hold on.
Uh, Tiffany, the I ordered pizza for peeps.
Uh, Tiffany, can you go get the pizza?
Uh, okay, so like I feel the same way everywhere as I do about like my stance here.
Like, it's just like, and it may be out of that emotional, like illogical, but that's just how I feel.
Like, which someone commented this is why we need to repeal the 19th evidence before your very eyes.
Like, that's just how I can't change.
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
I agree.
I'm not saying it's not, it's like 100% logical.
It is coming from an emotional place, but that's just how I find it.
But are you fine with Japan deporting me?
No, if you're not like hurting people, like, I don't think it's an issue for like anyone to just like go live their best life.
Like, and you're doing it like a way.
I guess she's consistent, but the thing I was going to point out, and just piggybacking off Mason's point, is you say that they're not hurting anybody, but they are.
So, how many illegal immigrants do you think are in the United States?
I don't know the exact number.
I think it's over 10 million.
It might be way higher.
It could be 20, it could be 30.
I don't know the exact numbers.
Do you own a house or do you pay rent?
I rent.
You rent?
You're in LA?
San Diego.
You're in San Diego.
Do you think the rent's too expensive?
Yeah.
Do you think it's too high?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I want to be charitable.
I don't want to be completely unfair.
The state of the economy is not 100% influenced by illegal immigrants.
I don't know what percentage I would attribute to it.
It's hard to say precisely.
I would say that if we have a housing stock in the United States, and this applies not just to housing, but to other resources too.
This could be health care.
It could be food.
Well, it's definitely healthcare because they're not even paying the high cost of the business.
Yeah.
So the housing stock, though, if there's 10 million illegal immigrants, they're not homeless.
Most of them are occupying housing stock that could otherwise go to American citizens.
So I think rent is fucking bullshit in this country.
I think housing prices are bullshit in this country.
And I don't know the housing, it could be millions or even in the tens of millions of houses that are being occupied, apartments, houses that are being occupied by illegal immigrants.
If we were to deport all illegal immigrants, our housing prices would go down, rent would go down, healthcare costs would go down, food costs would go down.
You know what?
Even if it fucking went up, whatever, don't care.
Fair trade-off.
But I do think that it does harm people.
Rent is bullshit in this country.
Rent is way too expensive.
It's fucking bullshit that people who can barely afford rent.
And so I'm going to pass it to Mason because I got to take this.
Nice, nice.
Go get the pizza.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's absolutely garbage.
Yeah, we should not have to pay for the luxury that people from this country, from other countries, want to have by coming into ours.
I think it's just, I think it's garbage.
If they really want, if they want to come to our country, they should come through the legal way.
They shouldn't cut the line.
And I mean, because there are plenty of people in that line.
I know some of those people, and they work extremely hard to get here.
And some of those people I know who have gotten that opportunity to become American citizens, and they're better American citizens.
Like, they're better American citizens than the people I know who are born in this country because they worked hard to get here.
But one thing I can definitely say about people coming here legally, they're not very good American citizens.
They're still waving their flag.
They stomp on ours.
They burn ours to the ground.
I think it's garbage.
I think they should all be deported.
And if they really want to come back, they should come back the right way.
Because I know they'll be appreciative of being here.
They'll be better citizens.
And I will gladly welcome them in.
Yeah.
I mean, I just don't see a logical argument otherwise.
Are you, wait, are you like you're part black, part white, part Mexican?
Or what's your...
Black and white.
You're black and white.
Okay.
You said you're Mexican?
Like, you were born there?
No, I was born here.
But your parents, your second generation?
I'm first generation born here.
Okay, so your parents came from Mexico.
Yes, and they became citizens here.
So your parents were illegal.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
No, they became citizens.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Good job.
Well, quick question for you.
In a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the United States and Mexico, where neither side is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance?
Where I live.
So the United States.
Okay.
What about your parents?
What do you think their answer would be?
I think my dad passed.
Sorry to hear that.
It's been a while, but my mom would probably stand for the country that she currently lives in as well.
Okay, cool.
And she'd feel for her home country, obviously.
We should look, you know, I don't think ICE is doing enough, to be honest.
I agree.
They should probably deport more people.
Look, the Americans voted for mass deportations.
Instead, we have these currently, there's this, have you seen the Dignadades Republicans in Congress are trying to pass amnesty?
Republicans are trying to pass amnesty.
Cocked L Republicans.
It's very, it's not a lot of Republicans, but totally ridiculous.
Okay.
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Hold on one sec.
Okay, next topic.
Let me see if there's any further notes.
I think, wait.
Wait, you're not?
We did yours?
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Angelica, you dated a 40-year-old guy who started crying after you told him gently and nicely there's likely not a second date.
Yes.
Yes.
Here, just leave it there for a bit, Tiffany, and we'll deal with it in a sec.
40-year-old fully grown man, appeared very confident, very, you know, all the good traits I like.
And then we went on on a date.
The date was well, but he couldn't stop talking about how much he loved his nephew and that he couldn't wait until he had kids.
And I had told him, I am done having children.
So if you don't want to have children, then maybe, maybe this can work out.
But I'll go on a date with you if you want to ask me.
Okay.
Well, he couldn't stop talking about when I get married, when I have kids.
I want my kids to speak this language because it's my native language.
I'm like, you're making a lot of plans for these kids that don't exist and that you are really desiring.
And I'm not going to be able to give these to you.
And so what are you doing wasting your time and my time?
And he started crying.
After the date.
Nice.
I know.
Good times.
Yeah, I don't.
Men should probably not cry, to be honest.
I agree.
In general.
How did you respond, though, in the moment?
I was massively icked.
He did the grand gesture.
He did a really good job on the date.
Flowers, nice restaurant, like really appreciated me, like was an overall good guy, but then he couldn't stop talking about his kids.
Like he was maybe trying to convince me, like, maybe if I take her on a nice date and he'll like me enough, if she likes me enough, maybe she'll give me a child.
Wait, so before.
He knew I did not want any more children.
Like, I just know.
Like, you told him before the date.
Yes, I have three.
I don't want anymore.
That's so.
Yeah, it was inconsistent.
Like, you keep talking about your nephew and how much you love him, and we can't wait.
Who wants pizza?
No?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes.
Mason?
I need the calories, yeah.
Two slices or one?
Probably just one.
place.
One.
Two.
Three?
Three.
Three for you?
Three.
Three for Mason.
The whole thing.
All right, here, Mason, take it away for a bit.
I'll be right back.
All right, I'll take it away.
I don't have him on his back.
Okay.
What to say?
What to say?
Oh, yes.
We've already talked about skin.
The thing is, like, okay, so I had the plan when Brian was going to get up and I was going to have to take over because it happens every once in a while.
I was going to talk about skin virginity, but we've already covered that.
About what?
Skin virginity.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, because I am a skin virgin.
Me too.
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I like that.
That is nice.
That is nice to hear.
Yeah, so I was going to ask, I was going to interrogate you people.
Be like, obviously, you guys are not skin virgins.
But my boyfriend has a thing about that.
He's like, I don't know that I would like you if you had tattoos.
Exactly.
I agree.
I agree.
Yeah, but we've already lost that.
I can't bring that up.
What else do I talk about?
Brian stole your thunder.
I know.
He stole my thunder.
Brought up tattoos and ruined it for me.
But he brought me pizza, so I guess I can forgive him.
Yeah.
Goodness gracious.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
This is important.
Do you approve of pineapple on pizza?
Oh, my God.
Yes.
I do.
You do?
I do.
Oh, gosh.
I like it.
Okay, Tony.
Are you really?
All of it.
Are you liberal?
I don't consider myself.
I mean, you're pro.
I honestly, like, I don't feel like it would be right for me to say I'm I either because like there's some things I have like mixed feelings on.
Yeah.
But just like my values, I feel like as far as like relationship stuff definitely falls like more traditional.
But I think just because of like some of the environments I was raised in and the things I've seen, some of my moral social stuff kind of falls a little more.
So I guess I've experienced a lot of how are your values in a relationship traditional, but you're in a situationship.
How are they traditional?
Well, because like if I the person who I'm going to marry like that and like how that would happen like that's more traditional.
What I'm in right now is like it's just like this is someone I love and care about and it's like I'm here for a limited time.
I would rather put my energy into this person that like I feel safe with I feel comfortable with like I know I know he values me like we have our own situation without like going to meeting randos and like you know giving myself to any more people.
Whereas but once I move my the way I'm intentionally date is like date to marry like I don't you know hook up with random people.
I don't do like apps and stuff like I'm very but so would you describe this situationship thing traditional?
No, no, this is yeah so so so I guess your dating isn't traditional.
But if I was staying it would be like we would be in a more traditional setting but it's like so I guess like what I'm what I'm trying to like point to is like eventually when you find this man that you want to eventually marry who's a traditional man do you think a traditional man is gonna like that the woman that he's starting to date was has the tendency to pursue non-traditional relationships.
I mean, that's something I would be transparent about and that would just be up to his decision if he's willing to accept that past or not.
And if he's not, then that's absolutely well.
Yeah so like, what I'm trying to see, like trying to ask, is, do you think it's impossible to get a traditional man just because well yeah, it's not impossible to win the lottery, it's just the likelihood.
So, the like, what is the likelihood of you running into a man who has traditional values?
That is going to be that is okay with getting with a woman who has had non-traditional relationships.
I think it's very likely, because I know a lot of traditional men who their, their wives, you know, had similar situations before, had a past that wasn't, like you know, pristine or virtuous in, you know, the ways that you've described previously.
Yeah well, yeah.
Well, the thing is like I don't think that yeah, I'm not saying that like you won't be able to find someone who will agree to getting married with you.
I'm talking about the quality of that marriage, because I would say the quality of the marriages who I see, when the guy like just takes a woman, even though she's had a checkered past, like he says, I just want to get married.
I know these get, I know these guys.
I have know plenty of these situations where they just like, I really want to get married, I'll take this broken, this broken lady and I'll just fix her.
Well, I'm not.
I'm not saying you're broken, I know, but just saying like yeah, I think a woman who is non-traditional and I'm gonna fix her and I'm gonna make her traditional, it's never worked out.
Well, I can agree with that.
I think it's.
Fixing Non-Traditional Women00:08:13
Wait.
Sorry, I do have to move things on just for the sake of time.
Question, are you pro-choice or pro-life?
It's tough, pro-choice pro-life pro-life, pro-life life.
I would probably lean more pro-choice, pro-choice question for you.
Uh, would you rather have abortion or democracy?
Wait, I'm sorry.
So you have to choose.
Oh, like the right to Bush or Democracy?
Of course, democracy.
Yeah.
Okay, just checking.
All right.
Oh, those of you...
Okay, let's do this one.
Does anyone here have a celebrity crush?
Anybody?
Oh, man.
I don't even want to say it.
Because it's cliche.
Who?
Leo?
No.
So, not the actor that plays Thor.
Thor.
Just Thor.
If he shows up, he's just like, hey, I'm Chris Hens, but no.
You got to be Thor.
So if...
Did you get a hall pass?
Yes.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
Does he have a Thor costume for you?
No, he's weird.
No, no, he doesn't.
The husband can't pull that off.
The husband cannot pull off the Thor situation.
I love him.
But it would have to be.
Wait, would you actually...
Would you actually, though?
Probably not.
But it is.
No, it's not Chris Hemsworth.
It's actually Thor.
Oh my gosh, I can't.
Yeah, I probably would.
No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
Does your husband have a hall pass?
Oh, yeah.
Who?
Well, for a long time, it was Jennifer Anniston.
But he hasn't really said in a long time.
Okay.
Probably give him one.
Celebrity crush.
Roman Reigns.
Oh, wait.
He's been a Devi.
Wait.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I was looking at your Instagram and it's like, isn't it just all posts of Roman Reigns?
In my, oh, like in my repos?
I think you're repost.
I do repost when his clips come up.
I'm like, oh.
So he's playing there.
Celebrity crush?
None.
My boyfriend is it.
Okay, celebrity crush?
So you don't have a hall pass?
No.
Okay, so for you, let's say you were married, but Roman Reigns is like...
Would you...
No, I would never step up.
But not just for a one-night stand, like Roman Reigns is like, I love you.
I want to be in a relationship with you.
I will stay with you for life.
No.
You don't trade?
You don't do the trade?
That's my personal thing.
Okay, if you say so.
Let's see here.
Okay, we're going to just do some quick questions and then wrap.
These are like rapid-fire questions.
So what species are we?
Homo sapiens.
Name three countries besides the USA.
Mexico, India, and Russia.
Can't repeat.
Same three countries.
I mean, like Nigeria, Denmark, and Greece.
Italy, Scotland, Ireland.
Finland, Norway, Poland.
Okay, how many continents are there?
Six.
I don't know.
Guess.
Throw out a number.
Just throw one out.
Throw out that number.
Eight.
Eight continents?
Okay.
Seven.
Seven.
Mason.
Oh, I'm not this smart.
How many continents are there?
Five.
No, come on.
Seven.
Okay.
There's actually enough people to not even name all of the continents.
Name one continent.
You can't repeat.
I don't even know what it is.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I believe you.
Wait, wait, dude.
Name one continent.
One continent.
You got this.
You got this.
I don't even know what a continent is.
Just guess.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
Stop, stop, stop.
You don't know one continent.
No.
Wait, you.
You don't even know what a continent is?
No.
Say that again?
I don't know what a continent is.
Oh, no.
Yes, you do.
Okay.
Yes, you do.
Wait.
Question for you.
Is Africa a country?
Yeah.
Okay.
Is South America a country?
No.
What is South America?
You know what?
Maybe we were giving her a hard time on the sex work.
Maybe it is the only option.
You know what I mean?
You don't know what a continent is?
Damn, what are they doing in Utah?
What the fuck?
I don't know.
God damn.
Were you homeschooled or what?
No.
Public school?
That makes sense.
I went to public school.
I know what the fuck is.
I was kindergarten.
I know where the continent is.
But not Utah.
It's California.
Okay.
Name one continent.
Australia.
Antarctica.
North America.
Europe.
Sweet.
Okay.
What two countries border the USA?
Mexico.
I don't know.
About this.
Yes.
Shoot it.
Come on.
It's up north.
I don't know.
No.
Don't help.
No hints.
I don't know.
I'm so...
I'm not smart at all.
Don't say that.
That's not true.
That is true.
I actually don't know what it would be.
I know Mexico.
Wait, is Mexico north or south?
South.
Okay.
Point with your finger which direction that is.
I also don't know that.
I told you I'm not smart.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Okay.
So point using your finger, which direction is Mexico?
I don't know.
Okay, which direction is south?
Here, put your finger.
I wouldn't be able to point in the direction.
I would not be able to tell you.
Okay, but so here.
I want to be fair because this question could mean, do you mean, like, from my own current orientation, which direction is south?
I'm making the question really simple.
If you're looking at a map, like a typical standard map, which direction, using your finger, is south?
This way?
I don't know.
Wait, do that again?
That way?
I don't know.
It's...
Do it above the mic.
South is that way.
I don't know.
On the map.
Okay, which direction is north?
Up?
North is up.
I think so.
On a map, I don't know.
Yeah, on a map, on a map.
On the map.
I think it's up.
Okay.
I don't know.
North is up.
So south is right.
North is up.
Which way is west?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I wouldn't even know.
Which is oriented.
But look, use your fingers.
Point.
Which way is west on a map?
Well, if I already said this way and this way, then maybe that way.
Okay, I don't know.
East.
Which way is east?
There's only one remaining.
Then the only one remaining is down.
So, okay.
I'll ask again.
Which direction is east?
Pointing with your finger?
Down.
East is down.
Confusion on Map Directions00:04:01
Yeah, I don't know.
That's the only one remaining, so I don't know.
Wow.
Which direction is south?
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, what's the other country that borders the USA?
Canada.
You are correct.
How many states in the USA?
51 or 50?
51, yeah?
50.
50.
What is the capital of the USA?
Washington, right?
Like the state?
Yeah.
Washington state.
Yeah.
Is the capital of the U.S.?
Yeah.
Like Washington.
Is Washington on the West Coast or the East Coast?
I don't know.
I'm not like.
No, the state, the state of Washington.
Yeah, I don't know where it is.
Is it?
I have no idea.
Is the state of Washington closer to California or closer to New York?
Closer to California.
But it's the capital also.
I honestly don't know.
Okay.
I don't know.
What is the capital of the USA?
Washington, D.C.
Okay.
Name three U.S. states.
Utah, Texas, California.
This one's too easy.
Name two countries in Europe.
I don't know anything about Europe.
Just two countries in Europe.
I don't know any way away.
I don't know.
I believe in you.
I don't know countries in Europe.
Countries, did you say, or cities?
Countries.
Isn't Europe a country?
I don't know.
Europe.
Continent?
I don't know.
Okay, well, name two cities in Europe then.
Is that easier?
I don't know.
Does that help?
No, I just thought you were messing with me for a second.
You don't know two countries in Europe?
You get to go first, by the way, which means they couldn't repeat.
Like, you just get free reign over all of Europe.
No, I don't know.
Yo, Savage, thank you for the.
Looks like you bought some merch there.
Hold on, let me pull it up.
Thank you, Savage.
Appreciate the merch purchase.
What is...
Okay.
The country that speaks English.
What country is that?
Russia, I don't know.
Russia.
No, they don't speak English.
Russia.
Oh, England.
Wait, what?
Wait, wait, wait.
What language do they speak?
Oh, yeah, I guess we should leave it split.
Yeah, let's leave it split for me.
Or I guess we could do center and then we're going to do that.
What language do they speak in Russia?
I corrected myself.
I was just thinking white people, but no, they speak Russian.
Aren't they white everywhere in Europe?
Well, I mean, it's starting to change, but I was just trying to think.
We should probably do something about that.
We should probably, whatever's going on there, we got to stop that shit.
Deport them all.
Okay.
What language do they speak in Russia?
Russian.
What language do they speak in England?
English.
Okay, so that.
Yeah, I was being stupid.
What are some other European languages?
I don't know.
Okay, list some other languages.
Spanish, Arabic.
Other languages that white people speak.
I don't know.
I thought just English, Russian.
I don't know.
Okay, Russian.
But you did say Spanish.
Spanish.
Okay, what country originated the Spanish language?
Spain?
Guessing Country Origins00:13:44
Which is a country where?
Is that in Europe?
You don't know if Spain is in Europe.
No, I don't know.
Where is Spain?
I don't know.
Is it in the Middle East?
It could be.
Maybe it's, you know, next to Iran.
Spain and Iran have had many border conflicts as of late.
Okay.
All right.
Two countries in Europe, please.
Switzerland and Italy.
Germany and Portugal.
Croatia and Italy.
Really?
Yeah, I didn't know.
I would have been able to guess that no.
Oh, boy.
Okay.
How many planets are in our solar system?
That's another one I have no idea.
Okay.
Without Pluto.
I think it's seven without Pluto.
Nine with Pluto.
Nine.
Okay.
What planet do we live on?
Earth.
Earth?
Are you sure, though?
Are you sure?
Okay.
What is the capital of California?
I know it's not.
It's one that's like not expected, but I don't remember what it is.
Someone just told me, but I don't know.
I'm also new to California.
The government building, the Pentagon, is what shape?
A Pentagon.
Final answer.
Do you think most buildings are a Pentagon shape?
Like, many of them are squares or rectangles?
I don't know.
I don't...
I've never seen it.
Yeah.
Are you sure you want to go with Pentagon?
Well, no, because that's probably not possible.
Do you think it's a rectangle?
It's not possible for a building to be a Pentagon?
Probably not.
Probably not.
Yeah.
I'm just the name.
It's probably a rectangle.
Like, rectangular, anyways.
Probably.
Why did you just let me gaslight you?
What the fuck?
You had it right.
I don't know.
What river runs through Egypt?
I'm sorry.
No, the Nile.
I don't know.
You don't know?
Okay.
Well, she just said, but...
I don't know.
Maybe it's wrong.
Maybe it's right.
Okay, what country, for you, what country is directly north of Mexico?
You ask me these over and over.
I'm never going to be able to tell you.
Well, this is a different question.
A different question.
Is it us?
What country is directly north of Mexico?
So us then.
Final answer.
Yeah.
You are correct.
Let's see.
I'm going to skip some of these.
How many sides does a triangle have?
Three.
What do you call a shape with five sides?
I don't know.
What country gifted the Statue of Liberty to the United States?
I don't know.
You know what the Statue of Liberty is, though, right?
Yeah.
So what is the country that gifted it to us?
I don't know.
Was it Japan?
I wasn't even aware that it was.
Here, I'm going to do multiple choice for you, because I'm a nice guy.
Germany, Japan, England, France.
France.
Fuck.
Okay.
What gas do humans breathe in to survive?
What are you breathing right now?
I know the answer.
I'm not this stupid, but I just can't think now.
I'm too put on the spot.
What gas do plants absorb from the air?
I don't know.
What gas do humans breathe in to survive?
How many months have 28 days?
I don't know.
Which one?
What organ pumps blood through your heart?
I don't know.
Wait, that doesn't.
Hold on.
I fucked it up.
What organized?
What organ.
Hold on.
I messed it up.
What organ pumps blood through your body?
Oh, your heart?
I fucked that up.
Okay, wait, wait.
What continent is Brazil in?
I don't know.
Oh, actually, that is a good idea, Tiffany, to go from center when I ask, and then just go to split.
I think that works.
So, what continent is Brazil in?
I have no idea.
Is Brazil north or south of the United States?
I don't know.
On a map?
I don't, I don't look at world maps.
I've never looked at a map.
Have you ever read a book?
No.
I mean, in school, like when I was in Ender's Game or something, or no, like when you're to kill a mockingbird.
Yeah, probably books like that.
I've never actually read a book.
Did you have to read Ender's Game in school?
Not for class, for fun, yeah.
It was an assigned book for me in eighth, wait, seventh grade.
Really?
Great book, by the way.
Great book.
Okay.
What continent-based W teacher who made me read that book?
What continent is Egypt in?
Again, I don't know.
Guess.
I couldn't even guess.
Okay, multiple choice.
Okay.
Here.
Africa, North America, Australia, Europe.
Europe.
Egypt is in Europe.
I don't know.
Oh, boy.
Okay, Brazil.
North America, Europe, Asia, South America.
Brazil?
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
But it was multiple choice, so pick one.
I know.
I don't.
South America?
I don't know.
I think it's just because that's why she got lucky.
She got lucky.
Okay.
This is an easy one.
What continent is.
What continent is Japan in?
Multiple choice, or I won't be.
I don't know the continents.
I couldn't even give you names.
Like, I know that there's South America and that's okay.
I'm going to list all the continents, but I'm not going to give you like four of them, like multiple choice.
North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, voice crack, Antarctica.
Is that all seven?
Did I miss?
Did I say seven?
Yeah.
Okay.
And which one am I looking for?
One of the seven.
I know, but Japan.
Japan?
Yeah, Japan.
What continent?
I don't know.
Damn it.
Okay.
How many dimes make a dollar?
Four?
No, that's quarters.
Sorry.
I don't know.
How much is a dime?
Ten cents.
So how many cents are in a dollar?
Yeah.
100?
So 10 dimes then?
You are correct.
Well done.
What is the capital of France?
I have no idea.
Let's go center and then like for the question, then split for the response.
I don't know anything about France.
What's the capital, though?
What's the major city in France?
I don't know.
Name one city in France.
I don't know any.
One city.
The city of.
Italy?
Italy is the city in France.
I don't know.
We got to get her back on the show.
Okay.
I'm telling you, I have like this thing.
Even in Utah, it's a small town.
If you put me there, I wouldn't be able to find anything.
In Utah?
Yeah, like it's small.
Like, even there's the...
I just don't.
I don't...
I don't know what it's called.
Question.
The Eiffel Tower is where?
Italy?
I don't know.
Okay.
What is the capital of Japan?
Tokyo?
I don't know.
Good job.
She did it.
Yay.
Oh, my God.
What country is.
Wait, I think I asked this.
Is south of the United States?
South?
Yes.
Okay, good job.
What is 1,000 divided by 10?
10?
I don't know.
Mason, look into the camera with me in these moments.
Okay.
If today...
Second guess?
If 1,000 divided by 10.
100.
If today is Monday, what day is it in three days?
You're putting me on the spot.
I can't answer questions as fast.
Obviously, sorry, I'll slow it down.
If today is Monday, what day is it in three days?
Thursday.
You are correct.
Good job.
If you have three quarters, three quarters, how much money do you have?
75 cents.
You are correct.
Who painted...
I'm going to skip that one.
Who painted the Mona Lisa?
Da Vinci.
What is the name of the famous car company founded by Henry Ford?
Ford.
Congratulations.
You got it right.
I have a Mustang, so.
Ah, that explains it.
If it takes three minutes to boil one egg, three minutes to boil one egg, how many minutes does it take to boil three eggs?
You said it took three minutes or one minute.
It would take one minute.
To boil three eggs?
Yeah, well.
But three minutes to boil one?
It's the same pot of boiling water.
So one minute.
They don't take...
Are they all going in at the same time?
That's a new one.
Well, if you have a pot of water.
Yes, they're all going in at the same time.
Yeah, so they would each take three minutes.
But I thought you said.
How many nickels make a dollar?
Nickels.
Nickels.
Is that five cents?
Yeah.
I don't know.
So 200.
I don't know.
What is 15 plus 35?
I guess I could count it on my fingers, but I would have to, so that would be a lot.
You can't just brain math it?
No.
Okay, what is 10 plus 10?
20.
What is 30 plus 10?
40.
What is 45 plus 5?
50.
What is 15 plus 35?
I don't know.
I would have to.
What is 40 plus 10?
50?
So if you...
I'm just going to explain it, I guess.
If you take five away from the 40 and make it 35, and you add five to the 10 to make it 15.
Yeah, I'm sure I could go through that, but that's just a lot.
15 plus 35 is a lot.
I would have to go through a whole process in my head.
I don't just know the answer, so yeah.
What's three plus seven?
Ten.
Okay.
90 minus 45.
I don't know.
That's another one.
I could eventually find it out, but I don't know what at the top of my head.
What's half of 90?
Half of 90?
Is it 35?
Or I don't know.
I can't tell you.
I was.
Half of 90 is 30.
No, that's wrong.
That's wrong.
Oh, boy.
12 divided by 3.
I don't know.
You don't know 12 divided by 3?
No.
100 divided by 4.
I don't know.
You should look into this camera when you give the answer.
I don't know.
Maybe not.
Don't do that.
5 times 5.
I don't know at this point.
I can't think.
Okay, count.
You have five fingers, right?
It's just five.
20.
Mason, can you guys pass the plates down to Mason if you're done?
Tiffany, if you can come over here and grab the plate.
20.
5 times 5 is 20?
5, 10, 15, 25.
25, sorry.
Okay.
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How many branches of U.S. government are there?
Name one branch of the U.S. government.
Legislative.
Legislative.
Oh, my gosh.
I'm having a complete brain part.
Judicial.
What's the other one?
Executive.
Yep.
Sorry.
What document begins with We the People?
I don't know.
The Constitution.
The preamble to the Constitution.
How many stars are on the.
How many stars are on the U.S. flag?
50.
You are correct.
What century are we in?
I don't know.
The 20th century?
21st.
21st.
We are in the 21st century.
Sorry.
Sorry.
What galaxy do we live in?
I don't know.
Are we in the Andromeda galaxy?
I have never even heard anything about galaxies, so how do we?
Do you know what a galaxy is?
No.
Space?
I don't know.
Are we in the Milky Highway?
Milky Way?
I don't know.
Are we in the Milky Way or the Milky Highway?
Or the Milky Freeway?
I've never heard of it.
Or the Milky Boulevard.
I've only heard of it.
Or the Milky Road.
Or the Milky Street.
I've never heard of those.
What are other things like boulevards?
Are we on the Milky Expressway?
Yeah.
Do you like milk ease?
Okay, never mind.
How many in one dozen?
12.
How many months in a decade?
I have no idea.
How many months are in a year?
12.
How many years are in a decade?
12.
There's 12 years in a decade?
I don't know.
Decade?
Decade?
Maybe.
How many years are in a century?
I have no idea.
Century?
Guess.
I couldn't guess.
I don't know.
How many years in a decade?
Oh, 10.
Century.
Okay.
How many months in a decade?
Yep.
Founding Year of the US00:03:11
What year was the U.S. founded?
I don't know.
I honestly don't remember the exact year.
1776.
Correct.
Correct.
Who was the first president of the USA?
I don't know.
Was it Abraham Lincoln?
Maybe.
Yes or no, though?
Pick one.
Yeah.
Abraham Lincoln was the first president of the United States.
And was he assassinated by George Washington?
No.
Who assassinated Abraham Lincoln?
I don't know.
Was it Abraham Lincoln who assassinated George Washington?
No.
Well, who was the first president?
One of those two, I'm guessing, because you keep mentioning them?
I don't know.
On a $1 bill, who is the president on the $1 bill?
George Washington?
I don't know.
And he was the first president.
Okay.
Where are we?
Sorry, I got lost my...
Oh, what country?
What country is the Great Wall of China in?
China.
You sure?
No.
Okay.
How many seasons are there?
Four.
How many days in a year?
365.
How many letters in the alphabet?
I don't know.
How many days of the week end with the letter Y?
Everything.
Tiffany, go center for question split as soon as I finish the question.
Every day?
Okay.
What language do the people in Idaho speak?
English.
How many.
Okay, we already did that.
If a dozen eggs cost $3, how much is each egg?
A dozen eggs costs $3 each egg.
I actually don't know that one.
If a dozen eggs is $3, how much is each egg?
Yeah.
$125 by $3.
So like what?
$40?
40 cents?
25 cents.
You are correct.
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
Oregon order.
Do you know what year the War of 1812 started?
1812.
Oh, she got one correct.
Well done.
What is the closest star to Earth?
I don't know.
Every time you get a question wrong, you have to do a Nehagao into the camera.
Oh, that's too many.
Okay, fine.
Every three you get wrong, you have to do one.
That's so embarrassing to do in front of all these people.
Well, maybe you shouldn't do it on your Instagram then, but okay.
Closest star to Earth?
Maybe the sun or the moon or something?
Maybe the moon, okay.
The sun.
Okay, it is the sun.
What weighs more?
A pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?
War of 1812 Start Date00:04:18
Good job.
Good job.
Okay.
What country is the Panama Canal in?
Country?
Country.
Panama.
You are correct.
I'm going to skip some of these.
What language do people speak in Mexico?
Spanish.
What language do people speak in Canada?
English.
Is there another language they sometimes speak in Canada?
Is it Italian?
No.
It's.
Spanish?
I don't know.
All those Mexican Canadians?
Up there.
I don't know what it is, but I know there is one.
I love those Mexican Canadians.
Okay.
If you pass the person in second place, what place are you in?
First.
Second.
You pass a person in second place, you're in first.
Okay.
Mason?
Mason?
So you're in second place.
You are in second place.
Congratulations.
Prize is in order.
I guess the prize.
We speak Cantonese, says PC George.
Thank you.
There you go.
Where did the attack on Pearl Harbor take place?
Or no, no.
It was here, right?
No, it was here.
Sorry.
Where?
I don't know where.
It was somewhere on a coast or something.
On the coast of the.
Like, so California?
I don't know.
Which ocean is Japan belonging to?
I don't know.
Indeed.
So, wait, do you think Pearl Harbor took place in Japan?
Maybe Tokyo?
No.
Not Japan?
No.
Okay.
I was...
Africa?
No.
Here, but I don't know where.
East Coast or West Coast?
I don't know.
Closer to the West Coast or closer to the East Coast?
Again, I have no idea.
Yes, though.
If I had to guess, just random, maybe the West Coast.
Okay.
Adolf Hitler ruled which country?
I don't know.
Who is Adolf Hitler?
The Nazi guy.
Okay.
And which country was the Nazis?
Um, I don't know.
Was it in Europe?
I think so.
I mean, somewhere white, so I don't know.
Somewhere white?
Yes.
What about those African Nazis?
No, I don't know.
No, not them.
Okay.
Before Mount Everest was discovered, what was the tallest mountain in the world?
Fuji.
Okay.
Fuji?
Kilimanjaro?
Okay, that's an, yeah.
I have no idea.
I also have no idea.
Well, before something is discovered, is it still there?
It's still there.
Oh, yes.
So there's a tricky one.
That was a tricky one, to be fair.
It was tricky.
It's tricky.
Before Mount Everest was discovered, Mount Everest was the tallest mountain in the world.
Okay, what country?
This is a bit of a trick question, though, to be fair.
What country did the Vietnam War happen in?
Vietnam.
What continent, though, did that.
I don't know.
What continent is Vietnam in?
I have no idea.
What kind of people live in Vietnam?
Vietnamese people.
Which are what?
Mount Everest Discovery Trick00:04:59
I don't know.
Are they white?
No.
Are they Latino?
No.
Are they Arabic?
What the fuck?
Are they Afrikan?
No.
Are they Ruski?
Asian people?
No.
Asian?
No.
Vietnamese are not Asians?
I don't know.
Are they Indians?
No.
What are they?
Vietnamese?
Yeah.
But are they also Asian?
I guess that's probably they would look closest to that.
So that's probably what they are, I guess.
I don't know.
Which primary continent do Asian people live on?
Asia?
Final answer?
Good job.
I'm sorry.
Okay, all right.
We're almost here at the end here.
How much is a quarter of an hour?
A what?
Quarta of an hour?
Oh, um, 25 minutes?
Or no.
It's Tuesday, innit?
I don't know.
Fucking.
Yeah.
Quarter of an hour is how much?
25 minutes.
Okay.
15 minutes.
15 minutes.
It is 15 minutes.
You guys fucked up, bro.
Okay.
What is 34 plus 66?
I don't know.
Throw out a number.
34 plus 6.
I don't know.
I can't.
I'm not thinking.
You?
34 plus 66.
100.
100?
34 plus 66.
What is 100 minus 66?
34.
Who's the current U.S. president?
Who was the president before Trump?
What was it?
Biden?
It was actually Obama.
No, no, I'm kidding.
What is 100 minus 34?
60 or whatever?
I don't know.
I forgot what you guys were just saying.
Yeah, what is 100 minus 34?
What's the number?
What order did Emperor Alpatine see?
I don't know what that is.
77 plus 33.
100.
100.
You are correct.
66 plus 44.
100.
The 77 plus 33 is exactly wrong.
It's not 100.
I know.
I'm lying.
I know it's 110.
It's 110.
I was gassing that.
I was gaslighting them.
Okay, if you were...
We're so close.
So close.
If you're born, I need it.
My fucking pizza's getting cold.
Fuck.
Okay.
If you were born 10 years ago, if you were born 10 years ago, how old would you be today?
If I was born 10 years ago?
Yes.
Yeah, how old would you...
Let's start with you.
How old would you be today?
10.
Wow, good job, guys.
How many world wars were there?
I don't know.
Three or four.
Three or four?
Okay.
Two?
Two.
Two.
Well done.
What decade was World War I?
So what I'm looking for like 1820s, 1950s, 1730s.
I don't know.
Throw something out.
Guess.
1730s.
1730s.
I think it was 1920s.
1920s.
1910s.
1920.
1920s.
What was the primary decade of World War II?
Guess, just throw it out.
I wouldn't even know.
Throw out of 1650?
Well, it has to be.
It has to be after, right?
So it might be the 1790s.
It could be the 1820.
What is it?
I don't know.
What are you?
1890s.
1890s.
Okay.
1930s, 40s.
1940s.
1940.
Okay.
Hmm.
I'm going to skip some.
Percentage of Men with Yachts00:02:03
Can you name three K-pop stars?
No.
Can you name three Kardashians?
We will accept Jenners.
Kardashians?
Or Jenners?
Kylie, Chris, and Kendall?
Chloe, Courtney, Rob.
There you go.
Let's see here.
I'm skipping a bunch of these.
Do you think I am a misogynist?
No.
Not 100%.
Not 100%.
All right.
What percentage of men do you think are over six feet?
Maybe 20, 30%.
I don't know.
Percentage of men that are over six feet?
43.
I'd say around 30.
25.
What did you say?
40?
43.
To be six feet or over is about 15%.
What percentage of men make at least $1 million a year?
10%.
Okay, 10%.
15%.
15%.
One.
One?
0.1%.
It's less than 1%.
What percentage of men do you find attractive?
If you're single, I guess.
Wait, this is hard to ask the relationship.
Like the women in the relationships.
Never mind.
What percentage of men have yachts?
5%.
Okay, 5% of men have yachts.
8%.
8%?
Sure.
Like 3.
3%?
0.1%.
8% of men have yachts.
I don't care where you are, girl.
You could go to Monaco.
I don't even think in Monaco, motherfuckers be having...
I don't even think Monaco motherfuckers be having some.
They got a hell of a lot of people.
They don't got 8% of men in Monaco don't have no yachts.
I'll tell you what.
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Okay.
Who, does anybody here keep a list of all the men they've been with?
I'm not raising my hand.
I was just demonstrating.
I wanted you guys to raise your hands.
Don't give a list.
Who has anyone, I'll answer this.
Who here has slept with someone the same day that you met them?
I did that.
At least once.
Mason, you fucking slut.
Answer the question.
Who here has had a threesome?
Nobody?
Really?
Even Polyamorous?
Okay.
Has anyone had hellphase?
No?
Okay.
Has anyone here hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
Yeah, that's gross.
Really?
Nobody?
Okay.
Gross.
Do men suck?
No.
Are men the problem?
No.
Would you prefer to live in a world without men?
No.
Okay.
Let's see if there's anything else.
Why is everyone on this one?
Do you think white people are inherently racist?
No.
Do you like white people?
Yes.
Okay.
Have you dated a white boy?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you think Trump is a fascist?
Hard pass, please.
Just, yes or no.
I'm not going to dig too deep.
I don't know if fascist is the right word.
I feel like he's more like elitist than anything.
So not a fascist.
Is he a Nazi?
No.
Okay.
I don't know if there's any.
I guess I'll wrap it pretty much here.
Any final thoughts from anybody before I wrap?
Any final things you guys want to hit?
Besides.
Nope, nothing.
Final speak now.
Forever hold your peace, yo.
Okay, I think we did everything we did.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Yep.
Okay.
All right.
That was a small panel, but it was fun.
Nevertheless, we still had a pretty damn long stream, even though it was a super small panel.
I would not have seen that coming, but I also was spurting out for like at least 30 minutes about the various minutes.
It was, yeah, I was on a monologue.
I'm telling you.
I'm telling you what, I was on a monologue right there.
I'll tell you what, man.
I went on a monologue, man.
Shit.
Hey, that guy said do the hey gal face.
Go ahead, do it.
Into the camera right here.
Everyone's watching me.
Okay, here, close your eyes, everybody.
Let her do it.
Okay, go ahead.
That's degenerate.
That's crazy.
Did you watch that shit?
I knew you know such things.
All right.
So I guess I'll wrap here.
God damn, my pizza's probably cold as shit.
I haven't even had a damn slice.
I'm sending y'all home with some pizza and some muffins.
All right.
So, well, thank you guys.
Thank you to the panel here for coming.
It was a little rough start there.
I was a little bent out of shape because of all the no-shows.
But shout out to you guys for making it.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you for coming.
It was a pleasure having you guys on and speaking with you.
You guys were fun and tolerated my manic episode.
I don't know what the fuck my spectrum activities.
My autism.
My autism, I guess.
So I want to say, though, to the panel, GG.
Well played.
Well played.
I want to say last call.
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Nah.
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I had some new things I added to the soundboard.
And then I'll have to bust those out later.
Okay, anyways.
07s, guys.
It was a fun stream.
Good night, guys.
And we'll see you next time.
So, okay.
Did anybody lie about anything?
We're now wrapped.
No.
Anybody lie about their body count or anything, Mason?