Brian Atlas hosts a chaotic 13-person panel debating women in the military, where a Marine postal worker notes women comprised only 5% of forces from 2005 to 2009. Guests discuss ethics of bluffing breakups, a new German law requiring men aged 17 to 45 to obtain military permission to leave for over three months, and the host's nonprofit, Big Labia Matter. The episode escalates into heated arguments over illegal immigration incentives, gun ownership safety, transgender definitions, and whether dating a fully transitioned trans woman constitutes a heterosexual relationship. Ultimately, the discussion exposes deep ideological fractures regarding gender roles, welfare policies, and the nature of modern relationships. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
I do want to apologize for our delay, guys.
We're going to just jump right in.
I overbooked today, so we have 13 people total, including myself.
So usually if we overbook, it's a little bit harder to get everything all set up.
We got to bring on extra mics, and it's just a bit longer of a process.
So I do apologize for the delay there.
I overbook because almost like clockwork, we can expect the day of two, three, four people are going to no show, the day before people are going to, or flake, whatever.
But everybody was very reliable today, so that's good, but also makes for a very crowded table here.
So I do want to apologize for the delay.
Excuse me.
We're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and your education level.
All right, I'm Shona.
I'm 18, and I'm originally from the Bay, but I'm a freshman in college right now.
All right.
What are you studying?
I'm studying psychological and brain sciences.
Okay, welcome.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Griselda.
I'm originally from Mexico, but I currently live in San Antonio, Texas.
I'm a business owner, and I just got my GED here in the States.
Age?
33.
33.
Okay.
What about you?
My name is Abby.
I'm 25.
I am a stay-at-home mom.
I do OnlyFans and I run a made cafe.
A made cafe?
Okay, what's that?
It's like kind of like a Kai Guy idol where you like serve people food, but they also pay you to like dance.
And where are you from?
Las Vegas.
Vegas.
Okay, what about you?
My name is Lisi.
I'm 21.
I run a music venue in Utah.
I don't go to college, nothing like that.
Any college?
Nope.
Okay.
And you're from Utah, Salt Lake City?
Provo.
Are you LDS?
No, not anymore.
Used to be, though.
Yeah, when I was a kid.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Barbara Adamson.
I am from Missouri.
I am 38 years old.
I am the media coordinator for a pro-life nonprofit.
I'm a writer.
I dabble in content creation and I have a Master of Arts in English and a Master of Arts in Communication.
All right.
Welcome.
My name is Emily Mack.
I'm originally from New York and now I live in South Florida.
My level of education is high school.
Age?
30.
30.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Frankie.
I'm originally from Florida.
I moved to Maryland.
I studied college there.
I studied history.
I have a minor in sociology.
I have my own podcast as well as I work in construction.
I am marketing team.
Age?
31.
And wait, you work in construction.
Yes, I'm on the marketing team.
On the marketing team.
Yes.
I'm the head of the marketing team, which means it's just me, really.
I don't know if I've heard somebody frame something like that.
I work in construction, dot, dot, dot, on the marketing team.
So you have an office job.
Yes.
Okay.
See, you know, you know the statistics, you know those statistics where it's like 97% of people in the logging industry are men?
I'm pretty sure it's 100%, but it's like they're somehow counting women who work in the air-conditioned office that mess up the statistics on that.
Okay, so you're in the you do construction.
Yes, I have been in the field, but that's as a project manager, which isn't actual field work.
It's more of like measuring and taking pictures.
Have you ever worn a hard hat?
Yes, when I had to get on a roof.
As part of your job?
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Yes.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm Hannah.
I'm 33.
I am originally from Delaware, but I live in Utah now.
Full-time mom.
I kind of skipped the college.
I did some college credits, but I stuck with certs like esthetician school, microblading, personal training.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm Joy.
I'm 26.
I'm born and raised and still reside in Texas.
Just a high school diploma.
And what do you do for work?
Oh, I'm a night auditor for Marriott.
For a hotel?
Yeah.
Okay.
Got it.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Anna.
I currently live in Bentonville, Arkansas.
I was in the Marines, so I kind of traveled around.
I'm not from there, but I reside there now.
Up until January, I worked at Amazon for seven years as a program manager, but I was affected by the mass AI layoffs.
So I'm currently in my entrepreneur life, and while also maybe finding a job, I don't know.
Kind of enjoying the time off.
And what was I 41?
And you were in the Marines?
I was in the Marines, yep.
Officer or enlisted?
Enlisted.
Oh, and I have a master's degree in business and a bachelor's in business and a bachelor's in communications and an associate's degree.
And I'm contemplating going back to school for Spanish.
For Spanish?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you need to go to school?
Can't you just like?
I can teach you.
My first language is a Spanish.
What rank did you rise to in the Marines?
E4.
How long were you in?
Four years.
Four years.
Okay.
Were you deployed?
I was not.
Okay.
But I did live in Japan for two years.
Okay.
You were overseas?
Yes.
And let's see.
What was your job in the military?
You're going to laugh.
So I was postal, and our tagline used to be, no one goes postal like a U.S. Marine.
So I did the mail, but everyone loved us, and it got me so many hookups.
Like, hey, like when we would have the midnight curfews in Okinawa, the cops would let me through.
You know what I mean?
And if I wanted some free food at the chow hall, they would, you know, as long as I delivered their packages on time.
Okay.
And so you had like a mail truck and you'd drive around or?
Yeah.
And so people think like that's all you do, but you also still have to do Marine stuff.
Like I was still out in the field.
You still have to shoot.
Every Marine's a rifleman.
But yeah, yes, I did the mail during the day, drove the mail trucks and all the other things.
So, yep.
And I don't know if, has anybody else been in the military?
Yeah.
Even if you're going to have a job like that in the military, you still have to do like everyone across the different branches too, right?
You have to do the basic training.
Is that correct?
Correct, yes.
Interesting.
Yeah, I was wondering, like, is that...
Anyways, well, go ahead and ask.
We're here.
Just say it.
Well, I was thinking about...
When I was in, I only, women made up 5% of the Marine Corps, just as an FYI when I was.
Do are women, and I think it's changed recently.
Can women see frontline combat?
Yes, and they've been able to for a long time.
I mean, back during Iraq and stuff, they had women who served in the chow hall shooting weapons out of the backs of trucks.
So, yep.
It just changed a lot.
Like, my ex-husband was a Green Beret, and then they, like, now you can actually go through as a woman.
Well, and I was in from 05 to 09, so they've been allowing you to five, 09?
Yeah, and so they've been allowing women in combat positions, even if they're not in combat roles, they were out on the front.
If they want, there was also a program called the Lioness Program, and so that was women who would have to pat down the women who wanted to come on base to make sure they didn't have any IEDs strapped to them or anything.
So, fun.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah, no, I guess the reason I was kind of contemplating that the other day, I was thinking that because now I believe they changed the rules where there used to be, and I forgot the specific term, but it used to be like a there were gendered physical requirements.
So it used to be, I think, they had lower requirements, and this might be for the special forces, I believe.
They had to lower the requirements for the women.
Well, I think they have to lower the across the entire military.
The requirement, because you're going into a boot camp or you're just a fresh recruit, you have to pass some physical test at the very forefront, correct?
Correct.
So women, I think there's like running.
I think there's probably, I don't know the exact, like maybe push-ups.
You have to maybe do pull-ups.
I'm not entirely sure.
The requirements for women are lower.
So women can run slower.
They can, I don't know if there's a weightlifting component, but they have to do less pull-ups.
Maybe there's sit-ups.
They have to do less of those.
There's less push-ups.
And I was thinking like.
Yeah, I was thinking that maybe, I don't know, if they're changing the rules essentially to now, women will not ever basically see.
Now, your base could get attacked, and under that circumstance, I suppose a woman might see combat, but most of these women are not like busting down doors, to my understanding, like doing target acquisition in Afghanistan, at least when we were there.
Some women were, yes.
So women were teams doing building.
What's the term when you're like trying to enter like a building?
What's that?
Doing sweeps?
There's like a term for that.
I don't know.
I don't know if they were in buildings, but when I was at boot camp and our combat instructors were teaching us, they did mention being on the back of convoys and shooting weapons.
When you're clearing a building?
Like clearing a building instead of yeah.
And then also in convoys, they're not door kickers, is what the chat.
Benching, infiltrating, something like that, yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm just going to speak for the Marine Corps.
I wasn't in any other branch of service, but the Marine Corps is the hardest as far as height, weight regulations.
It's the longest boot camp.
It's the hardest boot camp.
We trained alongside, we in the Marine Corps, I think it's changed, but when I was in, we weren't allowed to train with the men, just kind of alongside with the men, if that makes sense.
And it wasn't until we graduated that we went to, if you were in special forces, you went to a special force school, school of infantry.
But if you weren't in special forces, you went to Marine Combat Training.
And so then that's when we trained alongside with the men.
And we learned everything that the men were learning the entire time.
But of course, there's going to be no denial.
Men are stronger.
I believe, just from my personal experience in the military, women don't belong on the front lines.
But that doesn't mean women aren't on the front lines and they are.
And it's admirable.
And I know that I know a Marine woman that her helicopter crashed.
She's pretty well known in the Marine community, but she lost her leg.
I mean, so women have seen combat for sure.
Well, I mean, I suppose they do, and maybe they're in a convoy and the convoy gets ambushed or something, but women do not see combat to the same degree as men do.
And I do wonder if it is the case, like let's say in some scenario where we're just like churning through men, like we're in a ground war and the men are just, they're dying and we have to replace them.
There could conceivably be a situation where, or a base, say a base gets attacked.
Now, look, the United States military is the most powerful military in the world.
You know, there is no other military that can really match up to the United States.
But let's say there was a military base that got attacked and basically all the personnel on the base are basically, okay, go grab a gun.
You're going to defend it.
Even if you work in the kitchen, even if you work in the mailroom like you do, it seems to me like if you would have to, let's say, and then some of the frontline troops died and you're like, oh, shit, we got to pull the people out of the kitchen.
We got to give them a gun.
It seems like a waste of resources if we've made a determination that women are not as capable as men when it comes to being soldiers.
And if there's even bars to even being like in combat positions for most or even all women, it seems like a waste of resources to even put them through the basic training to learn how to shoot a rifle if there isn't a likelihood.
Well, it's not just a likelihood because even a male who's just the chef, is he going to ever shoot a gun?
Maybe not.
But in the situation that we ever need to pull from these reserve troops that are the more in assistant roles, it seems to me if we were to compare the men in the assistant roles to the women in the assistant roles, the men are going to be way more effective soldiers.
So it just seems like a waste to put these women through like rifle training and combat training and basic training to begin with.
Okay, so let's talk about the history of women in the military.
When we started putting women in the military, it was because to relieve the men from these mundane postal jobs, you know, cook jobs so they could go and fight the front lines.
So one could argue, like when you go to war, they're still at a base, they're still at camp, and you still need postal, you still need the chow hall, you still need all these things.
So if a woman wants to serve, let them serve.
I do not agree with lowering the standards if a woman wants to be in the front lines, which I don't even agree to, but if she does, I think they should meet the standards of what a man can do.
But we all know physically, men are stronger than women, right?
So, but I do think that there's a purpose because I like the idea of freeing the men so that they can go and do that.
But we still need to be in shape.
Like, we can't have fat people serving in the military.
So even if a woman does pass the physical minimum requirements that the men also pass, you also have to realize that they'll get their period once a month and they're basically useless.
So that's also a big issue.
But also it extends beyond their physical capability and also their mental capability.
Like have you ever been to a restaurant and seen like a male waiter cry?
No.
Female waitresses, bro, they're breaking down.
Like, oh my God, it's so busy.
What happens when a woman's getting shot at?
No, I think it's just a bad thing.
They just break down.
And then that's the thing.
Let's talk about this men, too.
It's like it's an instinct for a men to want to run out and run after a woman and protect and save her.
Yeah, and also the other part of it is like if a woman's in the military, she's on a convoy or whatever, they capture her and they're like, hey, we're going to rape your female fellow soldier in front of you.
We're going to peel your eyes open.
We're going to rape her in front of you.
Spill all the secrets.
Any man would spill that.
I probably would.
Even if it would cause America to fall, I would spill those secrets.
I can't watch that.
I can't.
I would not want to see that happen.
But if they said, hey, we're going to kill your fellow soldier chat or whatever, I'd be like, bro, I'm not giving you the secrets, right?
But they're like, we're going to rape this woman in front of you.
I'd be like, bro, take it, right?
So that's also another issue.
They can use it as a way to demoralize.
Not demoralizes.
Well, and I've had friends get pregnant over there and get back.
So they say that send them over and they're pregnant.
And guess what?
They have to go back.
So I agree, you know, in a sense, there.
How did they get pregnant?
The burden of these.
Well, but I still have something to say.
What do you mean that women are useless when they're in their period?
Well, they're not useless, but more in our periods every month.
I mean, they're not useless, but they're obviously less effective at being useful.
I don't think so.
I mean, I know so.
I'm as capable as any other day.
I work in a kitchen.
I used to be a servant.
I'm a business soul nerd.
I mean, I can do the same thing as my chef does.
Why do you want to give me that?
Why are you doing that?
Yeah, so I feel like that's very okay.
Can you do like, can you do like a 10-mile run in like an hour?
Well, if I have the training for that, probably yes.
But again, I feel like that's from very out of place saying that we're useless when we are in their entirely useless, but like you're not going to be as good.
Okay, okay, you know what I mean by useless.
Obviously, you're not useless, but like for the amount of food that you have to eat for all the logistics where people have to supply stuff to you through the supply chain of the military, it's not worth having you out in the Middle East if you're going to be like a soldier that's halfway useless for five days out of a month.
Except you're not halfway loosely.
I just say that we can't do that.
Except not everyone goes to their five days.
Now I would say serious components.
But also you have to keep in mind the mental capability of women.
It's not meant to deal with stress naturally.
Well, I also want to point out too that a lot of us don't get our periods while in the middle, especially during boot camp and stuff.
If you're physically active and if you're not eating as much as you're outputting with physical activity, we don't get periods.
So a lot of women who are over on eating on their periods.
But I, like I said, to an extent, like, so my job, I was postal, and so they used to put the special forces guys who came back really messed up from war in our unit.
And these men would pour everything that they witnessed out to me, bawling like grown-ass men that I still think about these stories to this day of the things that they witnessed.
And I, as a mother, just can't even imagine and fathom witnessing that as a woman.
Like and how traumatized.
And they are traumatized.
They come back traumatized.
And men are supposed to be mentally more traumatized.
Yeah, I do have to move it on.
Okay.
Age or intro?
Angelica, 29.
I studied English, psychology, math, and computer science, and I'm an influencer.
And I flew in from DC.
You're from DC?
Okay.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
My name is Riley Nimi.
I'm 21 years old.
I went to high school for six months.
And I'm currently the owner of a business that does stuff with political campaigns.
And I also do political content online and do campus debates just like Charlie Kirker did.
All right.
Welcome, everybody.
So really quick, I'll do the intro.
I need to do the introduction, guys.
So actually, first, we do have a TTS that came through.
Sorry, Desert Jorge for the delay on this.
I had to get through the intros.
Thank you, man.
Bricks of happy news this week with Sophie Rain and your first child.
Yes.
Don't forget the DNA test and no state involved with marriage.
If those work, the two of you will live happily ever after raising your seven sons.
Yep.
Yeah.
Really quick on the X there, Nathan, on my personal X, you're going to have to scroll down to April 1st post.
So on April 1st, I posted, and people got kind of bent out of shape about it.
I posted across social media that me and Sophie Rain, the infamous OnlyFans creator, who I guess makes $50 million a year, outer ends LeBron James, that I impregnated her and we're expecting a child.
And people kind of somehow believed this AI photo.
I thought it was a pretty obvious joke.
Do you have it?
Did you find it?
Go ahead, pull up the photo.
Now, this is also me when I was like 40 pounds lighter, too.
But it was just like AI or whatever.
So scroll back up.
So yeah, I did impregnate Sophie Rain.
We're having a baby, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, at least they made you 40 pounds lighter.
That's nice.
That was nice of them.
Nice of the AI.
Yeah, you know, I saw that and I was like, that's not Brian.
That is like a younger, more trim version of me.
But yeah, people are losing their mind about it.
I don't know.
I thought it was funny.
It was April for April.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Demon spawn on the way.
So anyways.
But thank you for your TTS, Desert Jorge.
I very much appreciate it.
Sorry for the delay on that.
We were just, you sent it right as the show started.
Oh, my goodness.
And just speaking of it.
Thank you, man.
Robert Tanner donated $1,000.
Yo, you're a legend.
W's in the chat for him.
Been a while.
As you know, long time supporter.
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Thank you, man.
Let's check in soon.
Also, why are the Germans not looking at women for the current military level?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe current to the convo now for now.
Thank you.
Yo, Robert Tanner, first off, thank you for the massive TTS.
We're going to do champagne pop here.
We're going to maybe wait until we're done through the with the intros to do the champagne pop.
But yeah, actually pull that up really quick.
So go back to my ex.
And then this was, gee, when did I post this?
There's a post about like Germany is preparing to wage war.
I think it was like from two days ago or something.
You're going to have to scroll up to find it.
I'm trying to think if there's a photo.
It's just a photo of text, basically.
It's on the X.
It's more recent than the Sophie Rain only April Fool's thing.
Do you have it?
No.
It is on the X. You just should be scrolling, probably scrolling up.
You'll find it.
I believe I posted it two days ago.
I think that should be either April 3rd, April 2nd.
Do you have it?
It's in reference to the mandatory you have to give the German government notice if you're leaving.
That is correct.
Yeah, so basically Germany passed this new law where only for men, only for men, I think if you're between the ages of 17 and 45, if you're planning to leave Germany for more than three months, you need to check in.
I think you actually have to, not just check in, you have to get permission from the Bundeswehr, which is like the, I don't know what the translation for that is, the German military, essentially.
Do you have it?
Yeah.
Pull it up, please.
That's from the Berliner Zeitung.
I'm not sure if I'm.
Any German speakers here?
No?
Okay.
New conscription rule.
Young men are no longer allowed to leave Germany without permission.
So that's ages 17 and 45 must obtain permission if they intend to leave Germany for more than three months.
They need to obtain this permission from the German armed forces.
That's that male, that's the male privilege, female oppression that we're always talking about.
So Germany seems to be gearing up for war.
So liquidate your crypto.
I'm just kidding.
But thank you, Robert Tanner, for the big $1,000 TTS.
Can we get some W's in the chat for Robert Tanner?
That's a massive, very generous contribution for him.
Thank you, man.
Really appreciate it.
Let me write a note here that we do need to do a champagne pop.
I'm going to delay it just a little bit so we can get through the intros.
Okay, so where were we?
I totally forgot.
Okay, I got to do the intro here in just a sec.
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Hey, can I have a suggestion for the swag?
I noticed the I Love Big Labia.
Maybe we could get an I Love Big Dick in there.
What do you think?
That was good, but the majority of my audience is men.
And as far as I know, they're homosexuals.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
But maybe for the, I mean, the mirror would not even be, because I think there's a the large labia thing.
I would have to say, I heart like micro penises or like, yeah, it's a negative.
Yeah, that's like I don't find it to be a negative, but most men kind of do.
I think there's a lot of women that would have interest in these than this swag, just saying.
Yeah, but it's not, it doesn't hit the same, you know.
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I'm the founder of the nonprofit and grassroots movement, big labia matter, or BLM for short.
Because all labia can't matter until big labia matter.
As someone who only dates women with large labia, this is kind of important for me.
10,000 labia plasties a year in the USA.
Absolute fucking tragedy.
You know, we're at war with Iran.
We just fucking regime changed Venezuela.
There's shit in the Middle East.
There's fucking Ukraine.
Immigration, inflation, recession probably on the way.
What fucking, the price of food is fucking dog shit.
A hamburger was $30 the other day.
What the fuck?
Absolutely ridiculous.
But you know what?
That shit's a distraction.
10,000 labia plasties a year in the U.S. Absolute fucking tragedy.
Can I add to that?
I'm one of those statistics.
You had a labia plasty?
I did.
I should kick you off the show for that.
Did the rabbi lick off the blood when it was open?
I'm Catholic.
I used to work for a couple plastic surgeons, and they are, a lot of times it's functional.
Like women will have irritation and stuff.
So it's not.
Can I ask why?
Do you have any kids?
I have three.
And yeah, kids, it just, like you said, it's just for irritation.
It was literally like an irritation.
And then during sex, too.
It was not like, you know, like, oh, it looks ugly.
Well, I mean, that's a nice perk, but it wasn't like, it was covered by insurance for a medical miscarriage.
I mean, I don't understand this whole like, it's uncomfortable.
It gets in the way.
Men have balls and penises.
Like, we seem, we don't fucking chop our shit off it, and it's definitely in the way.
Well, they actually do.
So can we tell you in circumstance?
Can we talk about why it was even?
The circumstances fucking retarded, first off, but what they do is...
Like, the balls are still there in the way.
And like, balls and penis hang, unless you got world record labia, are in the way more and hang more.
Yeah, but if you have the means, like in the insurance, some of the women have the means to get it fixed.
Why would they not?
And can I tell you?
Fixed.
There's nothing to fix.
It's beautiful as is.
Fuck that shit.
I've seen somewhere I'm like, I support this decision.
No, fuck that.
The bigger the better.
Can I tell you how it was even, because my health insurance covered it?
And can I tell you why?
It wasn't because it bothered me.
Like, you would think that that's why health insurance would bother you.
Like, you have issues walking, running, whatever.
No, it was because I couldn't have sex with my husband.
And that's why they covered it.
So just like that.
Where do you get your health insurance?
This was like 10.
No, this was like 15 years ago.
But how do you go to the doctor and tell them, oh, like, I cannot have sex because of my bake lab?
No, the doctor said, if you want this covered by your health insurance, that's why we're going to put it down.
Don't believe it.
I swear to God.
That wasn't the actual reason, but that's what the doctor wanted.
The doctor was trying to help me get it covered throughout the day.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
So you committed an insurance fraud, and you're saying that on a live podcast.
It's probably similar to like a breast reduction where you go to a doctor.
You can complain enough to where they're going.
Well, it did bother.
It did bother me during sex, but I'm not having sex 24-7.
I'm walking, I'm running, I'm doing it.
Wait, why didn't you lead with, okay, here was your framing.
Well, I couldn't have sex with my husband.
That was your lead in framing.
And then only after do you disclose, oh, my doctor, look, this is something that happens with any sort of prescription.
It's, you know, they used to do this with marijuana.
You go to the doctor, at least when it was illegal.
The doctor would be like, tell me you have migraines.
Tell me that you have glaucoma or some bullshit.
So they could write a fucking prescription.
But it's like, you should have led with, well, my, I don't even understand why you would afford that.
Because right now we're having an argument about the merits of this procedure.
And you just, and you're like, well, I can have sex with my husband, but I actually could.
My doctor just.
Well, I could.
It just wasn't comfortable, is what I'm saying.
Like, who wants to have sex when you're uncomfortable?
So.
It was physically uncomfortable.
Yeah.
Yep.
It was just slapping around.
It gets sucked in with everything.
I mean, it hurt?
No.
No.
Girl, I gave birth to 10-pound babies, so no.
Where did your health insurance come from?
Was it taxpayer-funded?
At the...
No, no, no.
Okay, good.
I've never ever been on any sort of assistance or anything.
But I mean, like, if your husband works with the government or at the time when I, I'm not married anymore, but when I was married, he worked for the jail in Washington State at the time earlier.
So he worked for the government.
Well, he got benefits that we paid into just like any other job.
It was a state job.
Yeah, but he paid into it with his paycheck from the government.
So it's a taxpayer-funded labia plastic.
How is that taxpayer?
He paid his health insurance.
He gets his money from the government, and the government overpays their own money.
But he works for the government.
He's not just sitting on his ass.
He's working for the government.
He's putting in his time.
Who works for the government?
Like, seriously?
On a slide?
No, he did.
And he worked like 60 hours a week and he paid for it.
I just wonder how we got.
I'm just trying to get through the introduction.
Let me just chime in on the labia thing.
Oh, also, really quick.
So if you guys do buy merch, shop.whatever.com, it is going to pop up something like it'll actually show on screen.
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Let me see if there's others.
You can input a name and you can also even include a little message with it.
So we'll give you shout-outs if you buy merch and then also if you do Venmo Cash App.
Hold on, there's a TTS.
Who's handed it?
Handy Nevin donated $200.
Thank you, dude.
That's the coolest panelist in the history of this show.
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302?
Is that?
Wait, what's a 302?
It's two body counts off of 304.
Yeah, area code.
It's Delaware?
It's Sellers Area Code.
Oh, Delaware.
Yo, shout out Delaware.
They only know you.
It goes down in Delaware.
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Okay.
Sorry that was a very long-winded introduction.
Now we're going to get right back to the show and then momentarily do the champagne pop.
But going around the table, what's your current relationship status?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship status?
What's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
I was maybe like texting someone, but nothing right now.
Nothing?
All right.
Is your roommate just like my roommates?
I'm in a triple.
Triple?
Yeah.
That sucks.
Oh, it's chill.
I love my roommates.
Do you get kicked out all the time to let your roommates smash Frapros?
No, We don't do anything.
You don't do that?
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm married, and I think this is my longest.
Go ahead.
This is my longest relationship.
I've been married for about 10 years.
10 years?
Okay.
And married for 10 together for how long?
Close to 11 years.
11 years.
Okay.
Correct.
All right.
Have you been married before?
Well, not married, but I was living with, you know, with other guys, but I wasn't married.
You've had other relationships.
Correct.
Were you engaged to other men?
No.
Any kids?
I have two kids, two girls.
From this marriage?
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I am.
Supers, please.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Get the supers, please.
Okay.
What the fuck are some of these fucking retarded.
Hold on.
Rachel, thank you for the membership.
Shout out, Pasty, for the super.
Thank you, man.
Okay.
I am married.
I guess I've only been in three relationships, and all three of them were three years.
Sorry, how long have you been married?
Three years, you said?
Well, I've been married for two.
You've been married for two.
Two and a half.
Two and a half.
Okay.
All right.
And you have a kid?
One kid?
Yes.
From your current marriage?
Yes.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm in a relationship.
My longest relationship was two years, and it was a previous one.
Okay.
Longest relationship?
Two years?
Yeah.
How long is your current relationship?
Ten months.
Ten months.
Okay.
Orientation?
Orientation?
Sexual orientation.
Straight by straight.
Okay.
What about you?
I am married.
I've been married for almost three years.
Longest relationship.
I was married once before for 12 years.
We were together for 14.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
I'm engaged.
This would be my longest relationship.
We've been together for three years.
As of next week, I actually met him on his birthday, so I always joke that I'm the best birthday present he'll ever get.
All right.
What about you?
I'm in a relationship now.
Been in a relationship for three years.
My longest relationship was like seven or eight years.
Any kids?
Yes, I have a nine-year-old.
That's from the seven-year?
Yep.
Were you married?
No.
Ever married?
Nope.
Does he pay you child support?
Yep.
What's the custody arrangement?
Like shared custody.
Shared custody?
Shared custody.
Okay.
And he pays you child support.
It's 50-50?
Yeah.
How much does he pay you in child support?
I'm not willing to answer that.
Is it a lot or a little?
I'm just not willing to answer it.
Is he black?
Why would you ask that?
Oh, yeah.
Of course he's filled the water.
Here, Tiffany, paper towels, please.
Please be paying attention.
Yes.
No, not you.
Guys, come on.
I shouldn't.
Unprompted.
Unprompted, please.
It's like, why do I need to ask?
It's hard to see more than all this.
All right, continue, please.
Me?
Yeah, next person, please.
I have, I was married for eight years.
I'm single.
My last serious relationship was about a year and a half ago, and I have two kids.
Sorry, could you repeat that?
Yeah, I was married for eight years.
Are you single currently?
Yes.
Okay.
I had two kids during that marriage, and my last serious relationship was about a year and a half ago.
So two kids from the one marriage, is that correct?
Yep.
Okay.
Have you been married any other times?
Nope, just the ones.
Okay.
And why did you guys break up?
Substance abuse.
On your part or his?
His part.
What was the drug of choice?
I'm not going to talk about that kind of stuff for him on here.
Okay.
You initiated the divorce?
Yes.
How long ago was this?
Four and a half, five years ago.
I moved to Utah.
He's still in Nashville.
Okay.
Does he pay you child support?
That's an ongoing battle.
If I'm lucky if I get anything.
I haven't been paid alimony in over two years.
I'm lucky if I get child support, so.
Okay, you haven't been.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Okay, so wait.
When did you divorce?
I separated about almost five years ago, and the divorce took about a year and a half.
Okay.
So, okay, you've been...
Sorry, guys, there's a fucking bus or something passing by.
Okay, five years ago, you were married for eight years.
You're currently in an unresolved, both a custody dispute, and then they're still making determinations.
No, it's not a custody dispute.
He just, I have them like throughout the school year, and then they go out to Nashville for a few weeks in the summer.
And they're right there right now because it's spring break.
So you have primary custody or full custody?
Yes, primary.
Okay.
So is he paying you alimony currently?
No.
But he's supposed to by law.
He's not, though.
That's what I'm saying.
Okay, so you're currently in a legal?
I haven't taken him back to court.
I could, but I haven't.
Well, so when you say he was supposed to be paying you alimony, are you saying just...
He should be.
Like, it's...
Like, was it court ordered?
Court ordered, yes.
Okay.
Yes.
So there was already, through the process of the divorce, there was already legal court action instructing him to pay alimony.
And has he expressed a reason why he's not paying?
Is it willful or can he not afford it?
I'm assuming you can't afford it.
Honestly, it's one of those things, like, I just don't really like to ask a whole lot of questions because it really stressed me out for a long time, and I kind of don't want to give any more of my energy towards that.
If that makes sense.
Okay.
I see.
Okay.
And then is he paying you child support?
No.
It goes through like this weird card in Utah.
You can go through ORS.
And so they'll load it onto there.
But I mean, one time I literally got a check.
I think it was for $37.09.
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So.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
What about you?
Newly single.
How newly?
Six months?
Six or seven months.
It was two and a half years.
Is that your longest relationship?
It's my only relationship.
Only relationship.
Okay.
Who broke up with who?
I broke up with him, but then I wanted him back like five seconds later.
And he was like, no.
I'd be like that.
You broke up with him?
Yeah.
I was upset.
About what?
We were arguing.
I don't even know what about.
It was months ago.
Have you done that before?
Was it on again, off again?
Yeah.
So you would break up with him and then get you.
Not really like mean it, though.
Just like kind of in the moment, like, I don't want to be with you.
Don't fucking call me.
And then like, I expect him to call me.
Yeah.
So he broke up with you.
Yeah.
He's like, fuck no.
Toxic.
So you were bluffing.
I was bluffing.
Like, I didn't.
That shit shocked me.
I was like, and then, but so, okay, the bluff failed because I think here's what you're trying to do.
He was, you were upset, whether warranted or not, and you were trying to either express your dissatisfaction or correct something that you perceive or in actuality he was doing wrong.
Yeah, and I just like want it to be in control.
Okay.
And then, so this was essentially a manipulation tactic to attempt to get him to change or do something.
That's really it.
Okay.
And then, but when it didn't work, did you try to reconcile, try to get back together?
Or yeah.
And then he was like, nope, I'm done.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I think this is a dangerous tactic, although it's sometimes, especially for perhaps men who are lacking in experience when it comes to dating women.
And by the way, just to be clear, men can do this too.
Men can bluff the breakup, and then the woman's like, okay.
So then you either have to like tuck your tail and take the L and be like, oh, I didn't mean it.
Let's make it work.
Or you just got to, I mean, or it's just over, I guess.
But I do think it is a tactic that perhaps women sometimes employ most than men.
The bluff breakup.
I think, look, if you're having an issue in a relationship, you can be upset about it and you can talk it over.
But I think, and this is especially an issue in marriages when you bluff the divorce.
But bluffing the breakup or the divorce is, you should mean it, is, I guess, what I'm trying to say.
If you're going to suggest a breakup, like you have to actually mean it.
It can't be a bluff.
It's also very manipulative.
Women will do this.
We're like, oh, I don't know.
I'm so upset.
We should.
I think we should break up.
And then you're like, okay.
And then they're just like, I don't know.
I don't believe in the like on again, off again thing.
If you want to broach a breakup, it's over.
Like, don't ever come to me threatening a breakup unless you fucking mean it.
Because then it's just like, okay, well.
I think if you truly love somebody, you couldn't do that to them.
Well, someone in a relationship.
I think it's very toxic.
It is toxic to bluff the breakup.
Yeah, you should.
Look, if you have an issue.
If you have an issue, you can deal with it.
Like address the issue, but using it as a manipulation tool or leverage to try to get what you want, I don't think it's effective.
I think, especially in a marriage, like you don't, you don't ever say the word divorce.
Like, just get the fucking divorce.
Like, okay, we have an issue.
We're going to work it out.
But don't use, I don't think you should use divorce threat as well.
I feel like it's like gambling.
You should be willing to lose if you do do it.
Yeah.
True.
I think if I'm dating someone and they threaten the relationship, I'm going to walk away because I can't live with that type of anxiety or stress.
Well, not only that.
I don't think you truly are in love with me if you could do that.
True.
The thing is that when it comes to a marriage, like threatening divorce is a whole other level.
But if you're in a relationship, that's not how women break up.
Like, they don't just say, I'm going to break up with you right now.
They break up quietly and slowly.
And they go in some various relationships.
Yeah, absolutely.
Like I'm doing breakup.
Yeah, it's like when they threaten it, it's kind of one of those things where it's just don't take her seriously.
She's just speaking out of her emotions.
Yeah.
Or is she so locked up?
And if you do it more than once, that's what it ends up becoming anyway.
But just saying the marriage is totally different.
I mean, I've been married for a long time, and believe me, we have had fights where I'm almost done with him or he's done with me.
But, you know, to say divorce, I think that's another level.
You know, we can get to the point that we don't talk to each other for days or weeks, you know.
And, you know, since we own businesses together, you know, we kind of talk only about business.
Like, okay, talk to me about the business, but don't talk to me about personal stuff.
But it's totally different, yes, when you're married.
I mean, and I feel like, you know, when you're in a relationship, because I used to be in relationships before, yes, I will try to never, oh my gosh, I will try.
I'm going to leave you.
I'm going to leave your ass.
I'm going to, I'm going to do it.
Like, like she said, I used to do that, you know.
But since I got married, I think, yeah, I think it's not like I'm not toxic.
I'm toxic as hill.
Spooksy gab.
I'm toxic as hill.
Okay.
Sorry.
What about you?
I'm sorry.
What's the question?
Your relationship, Stannis?
Oh, I'm single.
The longest relationship I've been in, it was six and a half years with the father of my kids.
How long have you been single for?
I've like on and off the last five years.
I'll go on dates and stuff, but I went on a sabbatical for like three years and recently got off of it where I just wasn't dating at all or talking to men or anything at all.
Right.
Wait, just clarification: you've been married once or twice?
Once.
One time.
And you have how many kids?
Three.
Three kids, all from the same man?
My two older ones have the same father, and then I have a younger one that has a different father.
So I have a 19-year-old, a 15-year-old, and a four-year-old, almost four-year-old.
Four-year-old.
Okay, and you said there's a three-year period of celibacy.
It was celibacy, is that correct?
Yes.
Like, I didn't even hug or shake hands with a man.
Nothing.
I was not out.
For three years.
For three years.
And when was that?
2021 to 2024, I believe.
Wait, 20.
And you have a four-year-old?
So the period of celibacy started while you were pregnant?
Is that?
Yeah.
Okay.
I kind of just like freaked out and ended like something that was never meant to be.
But he's a good dad.
And we have like a good co-parenting relationship.
I love his wife.
Wait, what do you mean you?
What was the thing you did that you never meant to do?
What do you mean?
Didn't you just didn't those words just come out of your mouth?
I just, it's not like we planned the baby.
Like, I kind of just freaked out and left.
Like, I was more of a man in the situation than he was.
Like, he was like, oh, let's try to work this out.
Let's try to be together.
And I was like, holy shit.
Like, I'm starting.
If you put yourself like, I had a 15-year-old at the time, and then, you know, like a 12-year-old.
And I'm like, what the fuck did I just do to my life?
I'm obviously in a different place now with that.
And we're upset.
Why didn't you just abort?
Or do you not believe in that?
I don't believe in abortion.
Okay.
Hey, just because her baby's half black, she should not have an abortion, okay?
Okay.
For the record, he's not half black.
Wow.
Wait, so but we get along.
Like I said, I love his wife.
She's amazing.
His and his dad is a really good dad, and so we co-parent amicably.
Okay.
So, how long were you dating the guy?
Not very long.
I'm not going to delve into that.
Well, so was it like a one-night stand or something that you got pregnant off of?
I'm not going to delve into the inverts of the dating discussion podcast.
So we talked for a few weeks and then, yes, we hooked up and I had him.
So, yeah.
And he was like all in wanting to have this relationship with me.
And I was like, holy fucking shit.
You know, like, what the hell did I just do?
So, and no, I do not collect child support from either father.
I don't need it.
And I believe both fathers are very present in my children's life.
And I believe child support is for absent fathers, not present fathers.
So I don't collect any sort of child support.
I take care of my kids at my own.
Okay.
But I mean, there's certainly some financial components of raising a child.
Do they contribute in some ways?
Yeah, like my ex bought ours, buys the car.
Like my older two, their dad makes good money.
So he buys them cars and takes them on trips.
And, you know, like, yes, they both contribute that way.
Okay.
But they're not paying, they don't give you money directly.
In fact, I signed, my older, my husband, my ex-husband, I signed off on him having to give it to me.
He used to give it to me.
I used to have a situation similar to Hannah's where we lived in two different states.
And that's when I took it because I was living in a different state.
But once I moved, like when they got a little older, I just was like, they need to be near their father.
You know, a boy needs their father, boys need their father.
So I moved near them.
And then once that happened, I signed off on child support.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, okay, you were married.
The two other children are from your ex-husband.
Yeah.
And he doesn't pay you alimony.
Nope.
Nope.
Okay.
If I ever needed anything, he would be there.
But I just don't.
Like, I just feel like he's a good father.
He's there.
Can you put the cup on the table, please?
Okay, so hold on.
Did you like this guy, the most recent guy who you have a kid with, like, was this, you hooked up one time and got pregnant?
Yeah.
One and done.
I was on a business trip, missed my period.
We were about ready to go to a, the condom broke.
We were about ready to go to a winery that day.
And I was like, why is my period late?
And so I was like, before we go to this winery, I should probably, and I half asked took, like, this isn't, I'm not going to be.
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And I was immediately, like, he and I still connect.
Like, we were still talking and stuff like that.
I moved to Arkansas from California.
And at the time, Arkansas is medically illegal.
And getting weed was, so he was kind of like my weed plug.
So, yeah.
And that's history now.
Okay.
All right.
I see.
Hold on.
We have a TTS.
It's kind of insulting towards me, but I got to be fair.
So, all right.
Sam Deman with the hater TTS, I suppose you could say.
Hannah has her fans in the chat, I guess.
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Hannah, you're mugging everyone.
Brian Loki looking like a fat unicorn.
Go work out bozo.
And the rest of the girls are chocolate F.
Oh, shit.
I wish Gorlock was there.
I'd give her a kiss.
Wow, okay.
You guys are all good.
I want to see what he looks like.
By the way, so the Stream Labs, it will change bad words into other words.
So unicorn was actually a retard.
So he was calling me a, just for clarification, he wasn't calling me a unicorn, which is kind of a compliment, but he did in fact call me a fat retard.
Yeah, I'm working on it.
You know, I'm working on it.
Prototypes.
I'm trying to raw dog the diet, too.
I'm not taking those MPs.
I'm trying to do it fucking raw dog.
Okay.
Relationship status over here?
In a relationship, the longest one that I've had is average two to three years.
And yeah, met the guy that I'm with at church.
All right.
And how long have you been seeing the current guy?
Roughly around two years.
Oh, two years.
Okay.
Are you guys engaged or anything like that?
Yes.
You're engaged.
Okay.
Have you ever been engaged before or married?
No.
Okay.
You met him.
You're Orthodox Christian?
Yes.
Okay.
Did you used to do OnlyFans?
As a side hustle, correct?
Yes.
A while ago.
You don't do it anymore, though, is that correct?
Anybody else, does anyone here do you do OF?
Is anybody else do OF or have done OF?
I've done it as a side hustle.
You did it?
Yeah?
Yeah.
You used to do it?
Not really.
I was like scamming, low-key.
You were skipping.
It's like screen recording things and screenshotting it and then selling it to people.
Wait, what do you mean?
The people's stuff.
Taking notes.
I'm on porn hub.
I don't know what you expected me to do.
What?
Yeah.
She's a hustler.
Oh, so you were pretending to be somebody else and using.
Catfishing, basically.
Using somebody else's content.
Were you using a white girl or no?
I was using black girls because I was using my actual face as the signup.
But when it came to people requesting things, I'm like, okay, I'll just go look for something like that.
So you would go find like a masturbation that looked as close to me as possible, which is like really, really hard because everyone has a very unique build and not a lot of people that look.
What would you type into P-Hub?
Like ebony?
No, but what are the other adjectives to because you said your build.
Yeah.
So like what would you type in to find the build match?
Like at the time I was like really small.
So I'm like ebony like petite.
Petite and then like the what's what do you call the newcomers that are like on porn a lot?
Like you know what I'm talking about?
I'm not in the bestness.
Like amateur, yeah.
Oh, that much.
All right.
Somebody bought, looks like they bought a merch.
What the heck?
Let me see if it comes up.
East Coast Canadian, thank you.
You bought some merch.
Shop.whatever.com.
Appreciate it, brother.
Thank you for the merch purchase.
Thank you, man.
I don't know if there's anyone else.
I think we're good on that.
Okay.
Relationship status, sir.
Yes.
So I am currently dating a girl.
We've been dating for 11 months, and that's my longest relationship.
All right.
Rock and roll.
That's everyone's relationship status.
Allegiance To The US00:15:02
So we're going to jump into a couple topics here.
I think the first one, and it kind of took us a while to get through everything, but I think the first thing I wanted to do was ask, let's see.
This is a question for Riley, and then we're going to have to recalibrate it for some of the women.
Well, here, let's do this.
Show of hands, who here is conservative?
Raise your hand if you're conservative.
Raise your hand if you're liberal.
So you're moderate, I guess?
I don't associate.
I don't know what to tell you.
All right, well, how about then?
Just that'll give context for the following.
The question is, starting with Riley, would you rather date a liberal or an illegal immigrant?
That's hard.
I think Alex Stein would agree with me on this one.
I would find myself a nine because if you're a nine, you're fine.
If you're an eight, we could have an immigration debate, but like, probably go for an illegal immigrant, to be honest with you.
Give him a green card?
I think, yeah, I would rather date an illegal immigrant.
I used to be an illegal immigrant.
Used to.
Yeah, but I married my husband.
So you have a green card?
Or are you naturalized?
No, I just got my green card.
Do you have to a green card?
So you're that's permanent, right?
Yeah, that's permanent residency.
Okay.
But you don't have to.
Beyond getting a green card, you can become a full-fledged citizen, right?
Yes.
So you're not full-fledged citizen.
No.
So you can you vote?
I can vote.
You cannot vote.
Okay, but if are you on the pathway to trying to become a citizen?
Oh, yes, of course.
Okay.
I have a question for you on this.
Yeah.
Throw it at me.
By the way, is anybody here?
This is, I guess I could ask it to anyone here.
Is anyone here like either an immigrant or a child, like second generation, third generation immigrant?
I'm not half.
Like my dad's from here, my mom's not.
Okay, what for you?
My grandmother on my mom's side was from Italy.
From Italy?
Okay, what about you?
My mom's from Japan.
Mom's from Japan.
Is she a citizen now?
Has she become a citizen of the U.S.?
She has a green card.
She has a green card.
And your father is American?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, I guess then this question is really only for you.
Let me see if I can find it.
Hold on.
I'm also an immigrant.
What's that?
I'm also an immigrant.
You are?
Yeah.
Like, where were you born?
South Africa.
Oh, word.
That's cool.
Do you have U.S. citizenship?
Nope.
I'm a UK citizen.
You're a UK citizen.
You were born in South Africa.
But do you have cultural affinity for the UK or South Africa?
Not really South Africa, UK somewhat, but I moved here when I was seven, so I'd say I'm definitely American, but I still am technically an immigrant, I guess.
And then your parents' nationality, what is it?
My dad's a UK citizen, and my mom's also a UK citizen, although she was previously an Indian citizen.
Okay.
So here's the question.
I guess maybe it will apply to you, but for you primarily.
And you're from Mexico?
I'm from Mexico, yes.
Born in Mexico?
Born and raised in Mexico.
When did you move to the United States?
I moved, I think, in 2010.
2010?
Well, I was kind of brought by my dad.
You know, I was, I think, 17, 16, 17.
Okay, I see.
So in a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the United States and Mexico, where say neither side is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance?
That's a really tough question, to be honest.
Well, I had to say probably to the United States at this point in my life because, you know, my kids are from here.
My husband, he's a U.S. citizen.
And, you know, but, you know, you never leave your roots, you know.
I mean, if we were to be in a war, I don't know.
Probably I probably lean more towards Mexico, but, you know, I mean, it's a difficult question.
And do you think you deserve citizenship?
I, yeah, you know, if I deserve it.
I mean, I contribute to the society.
I'm a taxpayer.
I create jobs for Americans.
And, you know, I do a lot of things.
I feel like I'm, and at some point.
Can you create jobs in Mexico?
No.
No, okay.
That's what I'm saying.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I grew up just here in the States for Americans.
So, and just to be clear, this question is more so like a you can still have an affinity, a cultural affinity for a country.
I'm assuming you have relatives and family Mexico.
This isn't a rejection of your familial ties.
It's not a rejection of your culture even.
But in terms of, it's more like a legal allegiance to the United States, your political allegiance, in the event of some sort of war, you would side with the United States over Mexico?
Probably.
Probably, yes.
I would say with the United States.
One thing to be aware of, so actually, I don't think this is a requirement under your green card status, I think.
I'm not familiar with the green card status, but if you were wanting to become a naturalized U.S. citizen, you have to take the oath of allegiance in the oath of allegiance.
It does require you to forsake and abandon.
That's not the exact wording, but you essentially have to forsake any allegiance to any other country, state, sovereignty, principality, kingdom, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And your loyalty must fully be with the United States.
Correct.
But I don't know if there's a to get your green card.
I don't know if there's an oath of allegiance for that.
No, not really.
I mean, there's basically just, you know, they investigate you to the core.
You know, they want to know that the relationship is for real, that you're not just getting your papers, you know.
But I think when you get your citizenship, yes, you have to, you basically are giving up your Mexican citizenship.
Sure.
Shona, what about you?
So, I mean, same question.
The United States goes to war with the UK.
No one's right or wrong.
Yeah.
That seems to never be the case.
Well, it's hypothetical.
So it's like a morally neutral conflict, you know?
Well, if it's a morally neutral conflict, I would be morally neutral.
Or I would not like really be on a particular side.
Right, but in the situation, the hypothetical, you had to pick a side.
Which side would you pick?
I mean, I would choose the United States because I live here.
What if you were, at the time of the war breaking out, you were living in the UK at that moment?
And if I was living in the UK and that was like my foreseen future.
With the option, of course, that your oath of allegiance would, if it was to the United States, obviously you wouldn't have to publicly say this, and you could always go back to the United States prior to outbreak of major conflict or something.
I would just choose wherever I plan on living long term.
I mean, like at that point, do you ever see yourself in your life living long term in the UK?
No, I live here.
Okay, now.
So I guess back to this, though, the question is: would you rather date a liberal or an illegal immigrant to which you say illegal immigrant?
Yeah.
So going around the table, would you rather, I guess you can maybe swap it.
Wait, hold on.
You have to change the question for the people who are not conservative.
This is a question more so for the more conservative people.
Hmm, how do we swap it to be a question for libs?
Would you rather date a conservative?
Well, yeah, would you rather date a conservative or an ISO officer?
Wait, how about this?
Or an ISO?
ISO officer or a trans or a trans man.
Oh.
This is so uncool.
Why is it uncool?
I don't like either of the options.
You don't like transgenders?
Are you transphobic?
We do not need this on that podcast.
I just would like.
So, Angelica, for you, would you rather date a liberal or an illegal immigrant?
A liberal.
What?
Really?
Well, to your Mexican point, correct me if I'm wrong.
Infos Toxicos, they have loyalty tests.
The Mexican men are common to hit or cheat on their women to prove that their rider dies.
And that's typical of a lot of men from other countries that are not Western.
I assume that the legal is from Mexico.
I don't want anything to do with them.
I like Western men, including Americanized Hispanics.
But it has to be Americanized, Westernized people.
Why are we assuming that the legal is from Mexico?
Because they're the most common.
Good point.
Well, they can be any.
Well, in my experience, I've only ever seen Mexican illegals.
Now there's more Somalians and Haitians and all of these different people.
They've always been Mexicans.
Not to be able to do that.
It's just the one that we talk about.
The largest bulk of illegal immigration comes from south of the border, particularly Mexico.
It's like 50% at minimum has always been from Mexico.
It's because it's easier to slide in here.
It's not easy.
No, I'm going to let you stop you there.
No.
No, no, it's not easy.
I actually crossed the river.
And that's the hard way.
It's easier.
That's what she's getting at.
I mean, they hear this story.
A lot of people fly in and overstay their visa, which is the easiest way to do it.
It's just they have to pay like American dollars to afford that ticket.
Otherwise, you have to basically take that whole commute on the train and everything.
Yeah, I mean, but to say that, you know, the Hispanic men are saying Mexican men are, you know, they have to, you know, that basically they have to hitch or whatever.
I mean, I think it's you're generalizing.
Not all of them, of course, but it is common and I just don't want to deal with it.
I feel like every illegal immigrant I've met has been someone that's like overstayed a visa or something like that.
So I've known a couple have the same experience as well.
Well, not all of them.
That's what you did to her.
See how like retarded it is?
It doesn't sound tired to me at all.
How about you?
Which one would you pick?
Me?
Yeah.
Well, there's nothing.
Something worse than an extreme leftist woman is a beta leftist male.
So I'm going to go with illegals.
Also, my type.
I love my Mexican daddy.
So especially if you're a Mexican daddy.
What about Nick Fuentes?
He's Hispanic.
Not cute.
He's not Mexican enough.
I want a man, and sometimes I feel like leftist men are like, will you pay half my bill?
And will I leech off you?
And just like I find like Mexican men especially are, they want to provide, they want to natural role.
And anyhow, I haven't been in any sort of abusive situation.
It's been with white people.
So I find them to have the same values kind of that I grew up with.
Yeah, I mean, I think that Hispanic cultures have more of this.
Men are more, you know, they're more culturally speaking.
They're more characterized for being more conservative, you know.
And, but yeah, they also expect you to be in the conservative side.
You know, that's from my experience.
Basically, all of my all of my relationships have been, you know, my same race.
Should I say that?
I have dated a couple of, you know, white guys.
And yeah, I mean, culturally speaking, it's totally different.
You know, I think Hispanic men are very, very conservative, but they expect the same from you.
And I don't, I consider myself conservative in certain ways, but I think thinking about it, I think I'm a little bit more moderate.
Same.
Yeah, you know, I believe in a lot of stuff, but you know, I don't like a man telling me what to do, basically.
Well, on those two points, when it comes to leftist men, they typically treat women like public property, and conservative men treat them like private property, which they're mine.
But on your point, I only ever dated one Hispanic man, Mexican.
He was the only one that was ever aggressive.
So after that, and not only that, I was forewarned by a friend of mine's father-in-law where he was like, oh, I heard that Mexican men beat their women.
And I'm like, oh, how could you say something like that?
No, of course not.
And then, yeah, I mean, I had to eat my words, basically.
Well, well, well.
At least you realized it, though.
Did you get jealous?
I will say that, like a little bit territorial.
Yeah, I mean, no, I mean, I want to say.
But they're hardworking and they're very hardworking.
I mean, most of the people, I think, are very hard-working.
Yeah, I mean, most of the people that I know are, again, are, you know, immigrants or illegal immigrants.
And yes, everybody's very hardworking.
I mean, I don't take, I mean, I work, I hire, you know, immigrants.
And everybody's very hardworking and everybody has their wives.
You know, they provide my chef, let's just put it that way.
His wife doesn't work for anything.
He works seven days a week all day.
And, you know, she's a happy wife.
Well, I think the subject right now is just pretty much pure immigration.
Although I don't deny that, obviously Hispanics work very hard.
I've seen that my entire life.
I mean, I grew up at Jehovah's Witness, so it's like all there were were like undocumented immigrants.
At the same time, the issue right now in the country is that it's so overstrained on our public resources that although there are people who are hardworking, it's just like we don't necessarily need that extra occupancy until we get everything figured out as to how we modify things.
Thing is that, yeah, to get to that point, I mean, I'm very involved on, you know, on this immigration stuff.
During the four years of Biden, a lot of people that shouldn't be here came in here.
You know, I'm an immigrant, but I mean, that was a mess.
Again, I'm telling you because I work directly with Venezuelans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, you name it.
Are they legal?
So the ones that I have right now, they have a work permit.
All of them do?
Yeah, all of them.
Okay, good.
So, but I'm telling you, there was a time, you know, that I will hire, let's just say, a Venezuelan, and it turns out that this guy was being, you know, followed by the Venezuelan government for whatever reason.
He killed somebody.
He did something really horrible.
Okay.
But yeah, I have to agree that during the four years of Biden, a lot of people shouldn't have come here.
And the same Venezuelan people, the same Cuban people told me, Maduro, Madru is just letting people out of the jails, out of mental institutions.
That was for real.
I mean, whoever doesn't believe that, you believe in another line because it was for real.
Like these governments were letting people out just to come here and basically do a mess, you know?
Well, that's the thing.
They were cleaning out their own countries.
And the economy of their countries basically depend on the remittances from this country.
But my issue is that from that decision that Biden took, it's reflective of the fact that immigration is a tool that they use politically, where it's like if they use a bulk subset of people who are not assimilating, if they use a bulk subset of people who don't share the same temperaments, habits, values of the people in this country, it's much easier to propagandize them against the natives' interests.
Corporate Illegal Immigration00:15:38
Absolutely.
That's why, I mean, I'm pro-immigration, like I said.
But yeah, I mean, this, you know, Democrats usually bring people so they can vote for them.
That's how I see it.
I've seen it firsthand.
I mean, these people, I cannot just understand, you know, I've seen a lot of Venezuelans, a lot of Cubans, like they just step foot.
Let's just say when Biden was here, they just step foot here in the States and they get food stamps.
They get a phone.
They get a hotel.
And, you know, I've been here, I don't know, for more than 15 years and I never got anything just because I'm Mexican, you know.
But this whole propaganda that Biden had, you know, you have to come to, you can come to the state and you will get all your stuff free.
That was for real.
Well, that's the thing that I also think.
And I agree with your statement.
Like, yeah.
That's the thing that I have as an issue, though, is that people tend to, and it's something that's reflective of this podcast a lot, they put the burden on the individual because obviously we live in a post-WASP society.
But in reality, these systems, these welfare systems of, you know, the phone, the whatever, it's all kind of like corporatism marrying socialism and benefiting the elites that basically are seeing profit by ushering in and controlling these people's lives.
Where it's like, the issue isn't necessarily with the individuals.
The problem is with the system itself.
If you're to start chastising every individual, it's going to take forever.
But if you start chastising the mechanisms that be, that might solve things a little faster.
Yeah, and again, I believe also that, you know, there's the actual people that come from Venezuela or Cuba or Nicaragua, let's put it that way.
They're usually not liberals because they come from that government.
They come from socialism.
They come from dictatorships.
Like all my, you know, the people that I know that are Venezuelan, Cuban, you know, they hate, they hate with heart, like liberals or Democrats because of the reason, because they know what it is.
You know, people here in the state don't know what actually socialism do to people.
Like they think that everything is just like, you know, like a little cartoon that everything is for free.
Here's your free stuff.
You're going to get it for free.
Nothing is going to happen.
The money's not going to come from anywhere.
But, you know, that's very oblivious.
But that's the thing is that, and it's an issue that I have.
Once again, I love Hispanics.
I am Hispanic.
I love them.
Just everything.
But the issue is, much like women with marriage, Hispanics with green cards is contingent on whether they're going to vote Republican or Democrat.
And my issue is: if our values are so conservative, why is it that when you come here, you vote liberal and Democrat when you know that's going to support things like pro-abortion and like gay marriage and all of this jazz?
And it's like you're backing down on your own religious, moral, Christian, you know, societal values just to get material benefits for yourself.
And that is reflective of a poor character that you don't necessarily want in any nation.
That is right.
You know what we need to do?
No more illegal immigrants.
We've got to fucking deport them all.
That's what we've got to do.
I don't necessarily agree because I mean...
Why?
Because immigrants, we do a lot of things.
Well, hold on.
No, I did specify illegal immigrants.
Although we should probably reduce the legal immigrants we allow in also substantially.
I mean, I agree in certain things of that, but again, I think the way the government is doing it right now, I don't necessarily agree the way they're deporting, okay?
I don't know.
What are they doing specifically that you disagree with?
I mean, I just feel, I mean, I know this has happened all the time with all the presidents.
I know that.
I'm not that stupid.
I just feel like, you know, they're being too harsh to people, and that's why it's getting a bad rep. I entirely agree with you.
Entirely agree with you.
I mean, the issue is that they're trying to make this like huge propaganda of how brutal they're making it, but the numbers don't reflect the brutality.
So it's almost like they're setting it up to fail in the first part, where it's like, okay, we want these people out for sure, but you're marketing it in such a terrible way that you're losing the public's interest in it, which is like wholly on it.
But ask yourself why.
Look what happened when Kamala got up and said, don't come here.
They came by the millions.
So they are showing a no-nonsense approach.
Look, this is going to happen to you.
You won't be able to get back into the country for 10 years.
That's true, but why don't they then target the people who are hiring the illegal immigrants?
Why don't they target the welfare programs that are basically?
They should, but they're not doing it.
They're making it as ugly and as harmful as possible for the public image of it, which is only going to hurt the cause.
Meanwhile, they're not materially doing anything to actually get those numbers out of the city.
I don't even understand.
I mean, look, there were deportations.
There were deportations under Obama.
There were deportations under Barbara.
Much of the media attention on the deportations, by the way, and they were apprehending, you know, the way they were apprehending these people has not changed substantially ever since Trump became president.
It's just there's political motive now because this is going to be like a point to sort of push people to the polls to vote Democrat in the upcoming election.
And so there was none of this attention on ICE, really, at least to this degree, when Obama was president, when Biden was president.
It's a sign.
Totally, in 2016, CNN did a piece, look it up.
And they were calling the illegal immigrants targets, and they were praising Obama, and they were acting like he was doing this great thing and protecting United States citizens.
So it's just kind of crazy over the last decade, it's flopped.
And now all of a sudden, all this negative media attention is not a problem.
That's what I'm not trying to say.
Because again, I'm not against ICE.
I'm not against deportations because, yes, a lot of people came here that shouldn't be here.
Like, let's just get that straight.
And I'm an immigrant and I love immigrant people.
Of course, I work.
Wait, hold on.
Everyone who crossed the border illegally or who is here illegally doesn't belong here.
Not just the violent criminals, all of them.
They all have to go.
Well, I don't agree with that.
I can't wait.
Well, they brought me that way.
I didn't have a choice, though.
They brought me.
Well, okay, so yes, obviously, if you're a minor and you're under the custody of your parents and they commit the crime and you're secondary to that.
But yes, you also, if you're here illegally, yeah, you're going to be deported too, or should be.
Well, again, but I try my ways to get situated.
You know, my husband is a U.S. citizenship, and that's the first thing we did.
Well, now you're legally here.
Yeah, now I'm legally here.
Originally, though, you were here illegally.
Yes, I stay alive.
Have your parents been deported?
No, no, they actually have a visa, a choice visa.
Well, that's the thing that I'm once again saying.
It's like everyone's falling for the propaganda psyop.
It's like you're once again looking at like these individuals that are coming over, but it's like who's ushering them in?
Who's giving them the welfare?
Who's giving them the Medicaid?
Who's giving them the promise?
And when it comes to Obama, they counted turnaways at the border as deportations.
They were flooding the numbers, but in reality, the immigrants were still coming in at like extraordinary rates.
Let's just talk to immigrants are still coming.
Yeah, they've always capitalized on like illegal stability.
This is a problem since the 70s, and it's only been multiplying.
I get it.
So once again, it's like blaming the individuals is not going to do anything because ultimately they're being incentivized to come over.
Hold on, you have to kill the incentive to stop them from coming.
Oh, hold on.
The government did it.
That's crazy.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
That's crazy.
That's crazy policy advisement.
So, okay, first off.
How is it crazy?
Well, hold on, I'll explain it.
So, first off, if it is the case, and I think it is the case, that we aren't holding these companies responsible who are profiteering off of these illegal immigrants because you can pay them less or whatever, I'm 100% on board with you.
They ought to be prosecuted too.
I have no objection to that.
But saying that the blame should only be placed on the systems in place that enable this, sure, we can address that too.
But also, there needs to be a mechanism to actually remove the individuals from this country.
I agree.
Ergo deportation.
There was a repatriation act that happened in the 1920s during the Great Depression, where once they cut out welfare, once they cut out Medicaid, like 3 million Mexicans went back to Mexico immediately.
Once you remove the mechanisms to keep them here, the incentives to come here, they go away because they can't assimilate without those mechanisms.
Then you only retain those that can properly assimilate.
But so, okay, you're saying because they receive certain government benefits, that that is the reason why they're here.
Yes, schooling, because they get all the benefits.
Can I ask those questions?
Hold on one thing, one thing.
I would argue, even if all of those things were to disappear, most of the people that come here do so for economic reasons.
Even if there weren't government handouts and they weren't receiving benefits, there's a couple other factors here.
The United States is safer and it has a stronger economy.
So, should we just tank our own economy and make America unsafe so it's untenable for legal immigrants to come here?
You just said it, employment.
Who's employing them?
If they're not being, if they're only hiring Americans who are verified Americans, we wouldn't have this problem.
They wouldn't come over here.
There would be blockades.
Why are they hiding out?
Moreover, non-government organizations like HIS are the ones transporting them over here.
How is it?
Is it already illegal to employ?
Isn't it already illegal to employ an illegal immigrant?
It is illegal, but illegally, they come over here.
They do it everywhere.
Yeah, they do it everywhere.
I mean, this is gonna, it's not gonna stop.
It has always happened.
I mean, when I got here to the States, I got employed at what, 16 or 17, I got employed at a Mexican restaurant.
They didn't ask me for an ID, they didn't ask me for anything but just show up tomorrow at 7 a.m.
And basically, I didn't know any English because I was, you know, I came from Mexico and I was just speaking Spanish.
And, but, yeah, I mean, you that's never gonna stop.
That has happened since, again, like 2010.
So, with your employees, I know that they're you know legally able to be here and whatnot because of their work visas, but are you paying them under the table?
No, they actually, no, no, no, no, right.
Everything is legal.
The entire process of illegal immigration, it's like a huge trafficking ring in and of itself.
That the same corporations that are hiring these illegals are using their bodies, their organs, their sex, everything to basically fund their own non-government organizations, the government.
The worst thing is that we get pay very minimum.
When I started working, I was getting paid $18, $50 a day working from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. $50 a day.
Yeah, and the employer should be prosecuted.
Chono, you wanted to jump in?
Oh, yeah, I was just going to say, I don't know if illegal immigration completely demerits welfare programs because those also benefit non-illegal immigrants, if I'm not mistaken, in the U.S.
Sure, but it needs calibration.
Right now, it's being completely abused.
We can't do it.
But you're saying to like cut down those welfare programs for the people that are illegal and not paying them.
They're clean down directly.
Yeah, completely.
If they're not paying into it, why would they give them completely or cut it?
No, you have to cut down who's on it.
So basically, there's a bunch of Americans in the Rust Belt who are addicted to meth, who are struggling because there's no jobs in the Rust Belt, and they're not getting the welfare that they're supposed to get for all of the taxes and for all of the heritage that they have in this country.
And instead, it's going to people who just arrived.
I do agree that those people should have priority with welfare programs.
It's not a priority.
It should go to them.
That's what it was designated for.
We pay into it.
We work.
They're being disenfranchised.
That's why the American populace is being destroyed.
Women in that area are now just absolutely unstable.
And this could certainly boost up the birth population if they were actually aided.
I just thought you were kind of criticizing those programs.
No, I'm for welfare.
I love welfare.
Well, actually, with welfare, I have a hot take on this.
I think that when somebody signs up for any type of government assistance, while they're signing up for it, they should relinquish their right to vote.
Correct.
That's true.
Yeah.
It's like you can't be dependent on the government and then vote to influence the government.
I also think you should take a drug test.
Correct.
Oh, that's a big white.
I completely disagree with that because those individuals who are on those welfare programs are still completely subject to help the people.
Administration and the presidency.
So they're affected by it.
Should they not be able to contribute to voting in a way?
No, because they would just vote for more free shit.
Correct.
I don't think that's a good idea.
If you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.
If you promise a man another man's fish, he'll vote for you.
Not only that, it's like we are subject to that person's.
Everyone votes for what possibility.
We become their slaves.
Not all of us.
Billionaires will vote for what possibility.
How does banning abortion benefit me?
That doesn't benefit me.
How does banning slavery and protecting these young black ladies right here?
How does that benefit me?
It doesn't.
I agree.
And like, we should vote.
And some of us vote for other people and what would be beneficial.
Are you saying only black people have been enslaved, or I think all of us have been enslaved at some point?
Yeah, yeah, I know at some point, yeah.
I'm just saying, under the worldview you mentioned, like billionaires who vote for what benefits themselves, like that should also not be allowed.
Yeah, because you can't always be aware of that.
Because the few hundred are a low amount of thousand billionaires that live in America that swing elections.
You could point out an exception of someone who's reliant on a welfare program who's like a man who would still vote for like things like to do with abortion.
That doesn't affect him.
I don't think billionaire should be able to be international.
I think that if you're in this country doing business, you should be reflective of the heritage of this country.
You shouldn't have a multinational corporation that's influencing multiple countries for their own commerce.
I don't know what that has to do with what I'm saying.
Hold on, really quick.
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Me.
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You know what?
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Yeah.
American women are not dropped as close.
That is all.
Yo, Metro Matt, thank you, man.
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Big booty Latinas.
There are big booty white girls.
Who's spiritually?
White girl evolving, okay?
I will say immigrants, not just there are.
My almost four-year-old is actually in a Venezuelan-run preschool, and he's completely bilingual.
And like, those women, they take such good, but they are here to go.
So the Quality Learning Center?
What's that?
The Quality Learning Center.
To her point, they're actually very conservative and they're here legally.
But yeah, Arkansas is very strict on immigration, so they wouldn't be running a business.
We do have a chat here from Gig William.
Why does illegal immigration dominate the national debate while corporate reliance on foreign labor from countries like China gets a free pass?
I don't think it does.
I mean, I say the same thing.
Well, I mean, we manufacture a lot in China.
What's that?
We manufacture a lot in China.
We should have been to the Rust Belt.
I'm glad I finished that.
Yeah.
Went to China.
Yeah.
They passed a bunch of regulation in the 1970s and 1980s made it economically impossible to manufacture in Chicago and Detroit and everything, everywhere in the Rust Belt got exported to China.
The Libs basically ruined America with that.
No, that's the liberal dragon.
But that's the thing that I had as an argument.
Why are we putting the onus on all of the immigrants instead of recognizing the people who own and run this country betrayed their own people?
If I have a bullet and there was a traitor and an enemy, you give it to the traitor, not the enemy.
Am I wrong?
No, I'm not wrong.
You would give it to an illegal immigrant over like...
No, I would give it to my enemy.
Or my traitor, rather.
Someone who betrays me, I would give it to them, not an enemy.
And I don't see illegal immigrants as my enemy.
I see them as someone who's being incentivized to basically be propagandized against my best interests.
So who's the best?
But you assume we're the same.
Who's the traitor then?
Multinational corporations.
Okay.
And the government.
I think it's a mixture.
Yeah, they work together, basically.
The multinational corporations own our politicians.
It's corporate illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is funded by the government, which is owned by multinational corporations that benefit from the scab labor.
Absolutely.
So I'm.
Sorry.
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When you say multinational corporations, like, what do you mean by that?
Like big tech companies or tech companies, I suppose.
But I was thinking more like anything that's under the World Economic Forum or, I guess, meta.
NGOs.
NGOs, but they're government.
They're not corporations.
So you're like anti-big corporation?
Yes.
I'm anti-banks.
It's actually a little bit like liberal.
No, it's not at all.
It's very anti-Semitic of you.
It's very anti-Semitic.
Oh, my goodness.
No, it's not liberal at all.
This is a lot of people.
They aren't pro-capitalism.
Liberalism was a product of capitalism.
It's a Masonic concept that came from individualism, selling out your heritage, selling out whatever.
That's why you don't have a problem with illegal immigration.
You have no heritage.
I never.
When did I say I had no problem with that?
You want them to have welfare?
That's a huge issue.
I didn't say that.
I just said.
Oh, my goodness.
Okay, anyway.
So when it comes to illegal immigration, that's a reflection that you're betraying your own cultural and religious and heritage values, which is a product of liberalism.
But capitalism is intertwined with liberalism.
That's why leftists say they hate liberals, even though most leftists are liberals themselves.
Okay, I mean, instead of the word liberal, like you could say there's like leftists who have beliefs that are stupid, to put it in.
Slightly aligned with socialist ideas.
Social?
No, that's Marxism.
They're more like democratic socialism, like that sort of thing.
Well, it depends on what is democratic socialism.
Like kind of like Mamdani's campaign, for example.
No, but like you can tell me what it is.
No, that's working out real well.
What is democratic socialism?
I hear someone's money.
Kind of like focusing on resources for the public, things of that sort.
But they pretend to do that, not wires in their pockets.
But who's the democracy that's reflecting?
Who's getting the benefits?
Is it the natives?
Not the public, because the public could include illegal immigrants.
It could include everyone's getting the benefits.
Like in New York, if there's like free public transportation, everyone has access to their transportation.
If I'm getting something free, I'm speaking of the idea, not just a fairly fair.
If I am for public transportation, healthcare, housing, all of that jazz, which I am, I want it to be for the people who are of that blood and belong to that nation.
I don't want it to be for someone that has absolutely no heritage, no interest, no roots there.
At that point, you're basically incentivizing traders to come over and vote against your best interests to change the culture.
Well, my belief regarding illegal immigration is that there should be as much done as possible to prevent it in the first place.
And if it comes down to deportation, I understand that, although I don't agree with a lot of ICE's methodology.
I think deportation is like the weakest way to do it.
It's a physical action.
You should do it in a pragmatic way first.
That's why I say I think it's a psyop.
I think that the whole violent deportation thing is to subvert deportation's popularity.
I think that if you remove the mechanisms behind it, people would naturally and peacefully leave, and there would be no cultural division, no culture wars.
No one would be arguing about it.
Everyone would coalesce.
We are paying people $5,000.
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The UN and the globalist elite are the biggest threat to Western culture.
They have literally funded the population movement over the last 20 years and also been behind the feminist revolution that has destroyed the single-income family from Rowe.
Well, I was about to say we are giving these illegal immigrants $5,000, some of them, to leave.
What country does that?
So to sit here and act like we're these bad people, they're breaking a law and we're still giving them money.
We actually have a great solution.
That's not why we're calling them.
We never had to do what I said.
Well, let me tell you something about those $5,000.
They were actually not receiving it.
I know a lot of people that were not receiving it.
What's your solution?
Yeah, so I was going to say a great solution to stop illegal immigration.
This wouldn't help the ones here.
But to stop it would play state border guard every mile along the border wall and shoot anyone that crosses on site.
And so what it would be, though, is it would be peace through strength.
So basically nobody in their right mind would cross over if they know that they're going to get shot right away.
Nobody would.
So if a mother's bringing her child across the border, if a child gets shot.
I understand that.
I understand that, but nobody would do it.
And if somebody does do it, some 21-year-old guy is like, hey, man, let's go to America, man.
And they try to hop over the border.
They're going to get shot.
One person gets shot and nobody would cross the border.
A child getting shot is a better scenario than a child existing illegally.
It would be better than thousands of children being trafficked through the southern border every year.
Do you see what I mean?
I think you're using the most unpopular optics and you're using the most empathetic appeal and it's a culture divide which could be resolved easier by just addressing the corporate multinational companies that are incentivizing.
How do we address that?
You basically stop doing this whole exchange that is like absolutely stupid and instead you focus on why exactly are these illegal immigrants from all over the world being incentivized and how exactly are they coming over here when they don't have an education?
Like how do they know English?
How do they know the navigation processes here?
They don't someone is funneling them over.
Someone's trafficking them.
Everyone gets here they don't know.
But I mean I got to the Western civilization.
I mean my culture is totally different from here and I had to learn everything from zero.
I mean again I had to learn English.
I went to school here.
I did everything necessary to fit into the Western culture.
I wouldn't say you're not part of Western culture because you're Christian though.
I assume you're Christian.
I think that maximum people are Westerns and Western languages.
It's different language and yeah there's a difference in culture for sure you know I mean Mexicans we you know we like a lot of different things from Americans for sure.
But you know the thing the problem I don't think you know Hispanics like thing Hispanics we get you know we get very used to this culture the Western culture I feel like the people get used to you guys though so that's the problem I mean that's that's you probably because you know you have been talking about big booty Latinas this entire time and like wait a minute what do you mean you're not My husband is as white as you.
My husband is white.
You had Christy Noam celebrating her birthday at a Mexican restaurant.
Yeah.
White people love Mexicans.
That's being tolerant of Mexican culture, though.
I'm just saying.
That's the thing.
Because you're being bordered doesn't mean you're not intolerant or intolerant to the illegal way of them coming over here, not intolerant to their culture.
That's the lie.
I don't want to restore Mexico that doesn't have Mexicans in it.
Or that's what he's talking about.
But we're not intolerant to their culture.
We're intolerant to people who come over here.
Sometimes they are.
That's the thing that the friction itself is so manufactured.
I'm like, wait a minute.
Americans in general have even positive opinions when it comes to Hispanics.
They just don't like the laws being broken and the numbers of people coming over, but there's really no vitriol there.
No, always.
The third vitriol is in itself contrived to distract oneself once again from the multinational corporations and non-government organizations funneling them over.
Wait, so do you think there exists like zero prejudice or judgment regarding like Mexicans and Hispanics in the U.S.?
In my experience, Mexicans are more hostile to Mexicans themselves.
Like Hispanics are way more racist to other Hispanics.
Honestly, when it comes to white people, the most that they've ever done is just be like, where do you come from, Mexico?
And it's like, I'm not Mexican.
So that's about as much prejudice as I've ever faced.
Okay.
I mean, there's probably someone who's faced more prejudice out there.
But I'm like, congratulations on the anecdotal fantasy that you have right now.
But at the end of the day, it's like, I don't think if they were facing prejudice, it would kind of deter them from coming over, and yet they're still coming over in droves.
I don't think it's a good idea.
But because they're still the economic benefits that they're seeking, right?
I mean, that in itself is a form that they're not being prejudiced against.
If they were discriminated against, they wouldn't come over because then they couldn't get jobs or welfare early.
That's social.
Employment is a social thing.
That's why you're on public social services if you don't have a job.
Okay, say you have a job, but like you're discriminated by other members of society.
Boo-hoo!
People have thicker skin.
I mean, she crossed the Rio Grande.
I mean, like, oh my God, they call me out saying that.
It's like only Americans are that.
So that wouldn't deter them, is what I'm saying.
Yeah.
I'm like, I don't care.
And not Americans.
I take that back.
Not Americans.
Liberal Americans who have nothing to complain about, so they found it.
They live in a bubble.
Okay, Janet.
They really don't care how they came out.
No, exactly.
Like, wealthy, well-off, like, middle-class girls who are like, I literally have nothing to complain about, but I have to come up with something to look like a good person.
Because you don't know how good you have it.
Yeah, literally.
Can I ask you?
You guys are making the same point as I made.
If a Mexican immigrant had a job and they received some prejudice, they wouldn't care because they have a job.
Everyone has a lot of people.
Everyone is prejudiced.
It's so inconsequential, we literally don't even care.
She just made the same point.
And not only that, we're like, if anything, even preferred, because as we've already commented, a lot of men like Hispanic women, a lot of women like Hispanic men.
They're supporting the point that she's trying to say.
I made that point initially.
No, once again, I have never faced any discrimination.
I think the most discrimination you face is just documentation status.
That's about it.
It's just documentation.
That doesn't even just apply to Hispanic.
That means that you're not.
No one has ever discriminated just because you're Hispanic.
They discriminate because of your documentality.
It was like names for Mexican people.
What is it?
It starts with a B. I'm not going to say it.
That's not even a big one.
We laugh.
We laugh.
It gives you a Mexican.
I don't care that Hispanics have you.
The biggest lure.
The biggest slur came from liberals calling us Latin X, invalidating our culture.
That was the most detestable thing anyone's ever called me.
Okay.
That is true.
Literally.
Literally, if they were trying to decolonize Spanish, I'm like, wait a minute.
At this point now, I understand the most Dutch person in the world.
I am now being annoyed.
Can I chime in with that?
She said, no Hispanic or Mexican in the U.S. has ever received any sort of racist judgment.
100%.
Everyone received that.
I think white people have received more racist judgment than the average Hispanic in their own nation, including Europe.
In their own nation.
And if you pay us, don't come over here.
I agree.
By the multinational corporations and minorities who are not technically minorities because they're like global majorities.
Being basically entitled to the benefits that should go to Americans.
If you're for socialism, if you're for welfare, why exactly are you for disenfranchising American people who are not receiving the welfare that is going to those who are serving multinational corporations' needs?
If you're so against billionaires, why exactly are you for the people that they're importing getting the welfare that is not going to the majority of the people?
I never said it was for them for sure.
You literally just said it for illegal immigrants.
You can continue basically moving the goalpost, but you're right.
Earlier, I'm not for illegal immigrants.
Latina power right there.
Literally, I know.
Anything racism against my delivery is just racism against my heritage.
It's like, I'm literally so affronted right now.
How could you prejudice against me?
I'm literally about to cry.
Like, I was complimenting.
Wait, can I say something really quick?
Can I say something really quick?
Arkansas has been really strict.
This goes back to the psyop of the ICE agents because they've been in my town for over a year.
We've been using our jails as a detention center, and not one violent gang outburst of protests have occurred.
Anyways, I digress.
I met a family at a park one day who was from Guatemala.
And I said, Oh, did you move here from Guatemala?
And they said, No, I actually moved here from Colorado.
Do you remember when the Venezuelan gangs were, quote, not terrorizing the neighborhoods?
Yeah.
They said they had to leave because these Venezuelan gangs were so bad.
They were terrorizing their neighborhoods.
And so these illegal immigrants that were not vetted were actually harming the legal immigrants who came here, paid their dues, working hard, paying taxes, and they had to move because they didn't feel safe.
So we're actually, when you sit in a bubble and say, oh, you're so mean, you're living outside of reality because they're actually, you live in a bubble, and these people are the ones getting affected by the illegal immigration.
You're not affected by it.
And you're over here on your little palace stool talking, oh, these white people are so mean.
I didn't say white women were mean.
I never said that.
I just said there's probably Hispanics who receive judgment in the U.S. Troy, thank you.
That was my only claim.
Troy, thank you for the 10.
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Appreciate it, guys.
We also have another shit.
Robert Tanner donated $1,000.
Are you on Discord?
Thanks, Brian, for what you do.
Thank you, man.
Thanks for the show.
Thank you, Dick.
What is a country?
That's what is an American.
Yo, thank you for that question.
I'm going to ask it here in just a moment.
Robert, can you message me on Discord?
I think I have your right username, but I think your username and Discord might be different.
Can you send me a message really quick, man?
Yeah, but thank you.
So the question is: what is a country?
What is an American?
We can do that super quick, and then we'll go back, starting with you.
A country, I guess, would be like a globally recognized state with a population, probably like by my personal opinion, like recognized by the UN.
Okay, what about you?
So I think a country is basically land where actually there's population and yeah, it's recognized globally.
And what is an American?
I mean, American, I will say, is everybody that lives in the American continent.
So, yeah.
You know what?
Because I can preemptively, I'm actually out of telepathy.
I can actually read everyone's mind on this.
So I'm just going to a country is a distinct defined area of land, such as a nation or state that is usually politically independent with its own government population and borders.
And then what is an American?
Americans are citizens or nationals of the United States of America.
Period.
I disagree.
Disagree.
That's what the Google says.
Are we talking about North America, South America, Latin America?
You know what?
Let's do this.
Let's finish up going around the table on the would you rather date a liberal or an illegal immigrant?
So I don't know where we left off.
Into the microphone, illegal immigrant.
Closer to the microphone.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
I dated a hardcore liberal, and that was tough.
So definitely a legal immigrant.
Illegal immigrant.
They're both very bad options.
The liberal, very emotional men.
I'm a tough woman.
I can't deal with that.
And an illegal immigrant, I would have to be responsible for him if he commits a crime.
But I would probably have to go with the illegal immigrant because we would probably share the same morals and values.
Illegal immigrant.
A liberal.
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I can change him.
I can make him.
I have not the I can fix yet.
I have the customer.
I have.
Yes.
I've done it.
I respect that.
Illegal.
That's well.
I have to say, just a liberal because I can change him too.
You can change the liberal.
I didn't know we had the option to change that.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It never works well.
You could change their immigration status.
Like, what?
If I can marry them and she's discriminating against them.
I mean, I'm a liberal, so a liberal.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Okay.
Let's switch the pace here a little bit.
Robert Tanner, just reminder, if you can, send me.
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Is that another round of champagne?
Yeah, what's going on?
You know, that's what I was going to message him on.
I checked the refrigerator.
We're all out of champagne.
So I'm going to ask him if I can do something else or I'll have to like get a I'll have to order some champagne.
DoorDash.
Robert Tanner, I'm going to message you on Discord.
Just stay tuned for that.
I'm going to see if you're down to swap it for some sort of other perk or something else.
Besides the champagne, perp, perp, pop.
Perk, perk.
Perp.
Type.
But if you insist on the champagne pop, I will order some more champagne.
Okay, so how about we do this?
Really quick, though, do you think we should deport the illegal immigrants?
Yeah.
Not the way that it's always currently done, like not the exact methodology, but I believe deportation is like a fine physically apprehending them.
Well, it depends on how they're being physically apprehended, but assuming that.
Like assuming it's the necessary amount of force to apprehend somebody.
Minimum necessary amount of force.
Most of the people left because they were incentivized.
Most of the deportation numbers that you're seeing, they were given an option.
Leave now, you get this amount of money, or leave now, and you can come back in X amount of years.
That's most of the deportations that are going on right now.
Self-deportation.
Self-deportation.
That is true.
Stop leaving any of those.
We are going to change topics here a little bit.
Riley, do you own a firearm?
Yes, I do.
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
The question is for the women, starting with you.
Would you date a man who owns a firearm who's pro-Second Amendment?
I live in California in this scenario.
I mean, I prefer that to you.
You're not going to own firearms in the future.
I prefer that to not be the case, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker if I found it out later on.
So you'd prefer he not have a firearm?
Yeah.
What about you?
Oh, yes, of course.
I'm pretty sure.
Fine with it.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm okay with it too.
My husband has guns.
He has guns?
Okay.
A little louder when you can, please.
Absolutely.
I plan on owning a gun.
Okay.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
No.
Against it?
Okay.
I'd prefer he owns them.
Okay.
I'm Texas Brit.
I have one.
Okay.
Must-have, yes.
Must-have gun.
Deal breaker if they don't.
Okay, Angelica?
What about you?
Strapped like Rambo.
Against it.
Okay, so you said no.
You said prefer not to.
Why'd you say no?
I just feel like I don't want to have a gun in the house.
I've just seen a lot of things that happen to other people with guns in the house.
Can I have you scoot your mic that way?
Loosely?
Yeah, scoot it like a little too much, I think.
And like have it facing straight.
Look in the camera so it's like straight towards you.
Straighten it.
Yeah, so it's like 90-degree angle with the table, I guess.
Nope, still fucked it up.
Over correction.
Back the other way.
There we go.
Okay, go ahead.
Continue with your point.
Yeah, I've just seen a lot of things that happen to other people that have guns in the house, and I just don't feel like I want that to be an issue with me.
I don't live in a neighborhood that I feel like I would need one, and I don't go places that I feel like I need one.
I do have shot before, and I've been to shooting ranges, so I do enjoy that.
A little bit of paintballing here and there.
And the people that you know that had issues with guns in the house, were they white or black?
Both.
Okay.
And then kind of what's your position, I guess?
Similar reasoning to her, and like I just feel like the amount of guns in circulations has a lot to do with the amount of gun violence in the U.S., and I'm just not really for that.
Does it?
Not really.
Well, I mean, the U.S. has like a high amount of gun violence, and it has a high amount of guns in circulation.
Yeah, we also have 350 million people, and we're on the Mexican border.
I mean, we got more guns than people, though.
Do we?
Well, actually, if you look at the murder rates of white Americans compared to these European countries, it's actually the same.
If you just go off of white Americans.
I'm talking about that.
Yeah, no, no, no, but off of murder is total in general.
If you look at white Americans.
There's like other factors.
It's saying that more than just guns have killed people.
There's worse things.
That was the thing.
The whole case is a lot of people.
There's no worse roots.
There's a worse weapon than a gun thing with Arena's Rutzka.
She got stabbed in the third flight.
It's the worst deadliest word.
Like, there's violence that doesn't necessitate a gun.
At the end of the day, the reason that there's such high gun deaths is for the same reason that there's a lot of high violence rates in other countries.
The people who are coming from those countries are here and they're propagating that violence.
When it comes to any European or white nation, when they have guns, they use it responsibly.
In fact, the ADF itself, it doesn't even persecute minorities, quote-unquote.
It persecutes white people from being able to have a bump stop.
I know a lot of these school shooters seem to be Americans from the U.S. Min M had the song.
MNM had the song.
He said, people only care when it happens in a white high school.
At the end of the day, school shootings happen in black neighborhoods, black high schools, black everything so commonly every day.
Absolutely shooting against every black person.
I'll confirm that school is a lot of people.
But what is it?
It only happens, and it only matters when it's a white person because it's that shocking because it almost never shoots.
I'm not saying it only happens due to white people.
And not only that, the rates of white people shooting up schools went dramatically up after they started prescribing trans hormones.
Trans people are now dominating school shootings.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Is there something over there?
It's literally true.
Transgenders are violent.
Like, that's not a fact right there.
Why do you think they're shopping their own genitals off?
They're violent.
Very mentally ill, just like the case.
It doesn't make who's doing the shootings or not.
It might be regarded as the amount of guns in circulation.
So the question that was just proposed, it's like, who cares?
So then having a mental health test when you're getting the guns.
Okay, if you're so prided of being a victim of gun violence, wouldn't you want a gun?
I wouldn't want to be sitting here like a sitting duck while I'm saying that.
Yeah, I didn't want to lying and just clock a guy who's talking to me right now.
This is like a three-pig zigzag.
I'm willing to have a conversation.
She's going to be like, I didn't say that.
Either way.
Tell them.
I didn't say that.
What happened, sorry?
Either way, when there are crimes involving guns, they're usually not getting them legally.
Exactly.
It's not the owner of the gun that's following the law.
Most of them are.
The reason that all the laws that they're doing, the mental health nonsense, all of that jazz, it's only affecting legal gun owners that need them for their own protection.
It's not affecting the criminals.
I was just going to say the reason that it's so easy to get them illegally is because there's so many in circulation as well.
No, it's because they're coming from Mexico, once again.
And Mexico's getting them from, I think, well, I can't name the country.
Okay, but you're saying that we don't need to go to the game.
No, Mexico get them from here.
We do need them.
Everyone needs them from the city.
You want an airplane law.
That means there's so many guns.
I want a gun.
That's why.
Stop, stop.
Go ahead.
If we were to make guns illegal, would there be less illegal gun purchases?
That's a loaded question, and I don't know.
But I mean, like, if we were to ban guns in America, there would probably be less illegal guns, right?
I mean, yeah, but I don't necessarily think that's a good idea.
Yeah, wouldn't that also apply to abortion as well?
If we were to ban abortion, there would be less illegal abortions.
Wouldn't you think so?
Yeah.
Okay.
What's your point?
No, I'm just checking for later in the debate when we talk about it.
Consistency, logical consistency.
Just making sure.
If we banned abortions, there'd probably be more illegal abortions.
Okay, so what do you think about gun laws?
If we banned guns, there'd probably be more illegal gun purchases.
More illegal activity.
Same energy.
I never proposed banning guns.
I never proposed suddenly banning guns.
That was never my claim.
You're doing things that are a slippy slippery.
I just said I wouldn't want to date a guy who owned a gun because.
Owning a gun is a slippery slope to get away from it.
Yes, so you wouldn't want to date a guy.
You're making it more and more restrictive as to what you can access.
Back in the day, the whole point of the Second Amendment is to choose whether you want a gun or not.
It's not saying everyone must get a gun anyway.
So you're not for banning guns, but you don't want a gun yourself.
So you want everybody else to have access to a gun except yourself.
Seems a little bit odd.
I never said I want everyone else other than myself to have access to a gun.
I just said I don't personally have the ability to want it in my household.
I've primarily said for the same reasons as her.
I just don't feel like it's the safest thing.
If you personally don't want to, I said, same thing with abortion.
Why don't you personally not own a gun and let everyone else own whatever they want?
Well, I'm letting everyone else.
They can own whatever they want.
I just don't want one.
True.
Okay.
Also, I'm surrounding myself.
I'm surrounding myself within a community.
We weren't talking about the Second Amendment.
We were talking about do we have a gun?
Do we want a gun?
That's what we were talking about.
Or would you date someone?
And again, the Second Amendment doesn't say everyone should carry a gun.
It says you have the right if you want to.
So how exactly do you think your man's going to protect you if you don't want to?
Protect me from what?
I said, I want to live in California.
I want to live in areas of the world.
I'm just saying in real life.
There's not gun violence in California.
Are you kidding?
How is he going to defend you?
If you wanted to defend you, you were sitting with you in front or like a bunch of people.
What's the scenario?
Technically, you don't think my man is that man, and that's crazy.
That's funny.
Whatever I said to him is that it doesn't matter if the man is going to protect you.
Guns are the great equalizer, technically, for women, where it's like you don't have to necessitate physical violence.
You have an automatic.
That's true, though.
That's not really true.
Like, guns aren't actually the equalizer between the sexes.
What's your logic?
Well, because men, strong men with guns are always going to be able to overpower women with guns just because of physical force and because of their ability to handle a firearm better.
Correct.
But if you're at a distance, you have a better aim at being able to make it more equal.
No?
Like, it doesn't matter.
Like, it helps.
It helps.
I'm just saying that.
Men have better reactions.
They do have better reactions, but it's just a point second.
So it's like if that point second is really what matters, okay, the men is going to win.
But typically, it's not just a point second.
Typically, women can use guns when they're being assaulted.
They have it in their purse.
Yeah.
And they're able to put it out there and shoot an assailant who doesn't know that they're armed.
I mean, you need to, when you own a gun, you have to learn like gun safety.
Weapon safety.
Weapon safety.
You need to learn de-escalation tactics.
You don't just go straight for the shot.
Yes, you do.
Yes, you do.
That's the thing that with women.
Shot it kills.
You should shoot.
Men are going to be better at shooting.
That's what the Marines taught me.
Well, that's true.
But the thing is that when it comes to police officers, to your point, female officers, if they're like in a violent encounter, they are more likely to shoot you.
So it's like, I'm not risking my life.
If you've got a gun.
I'm pulling it out.
I'm exactly.
It's like, okay, more emotional.
What happened?
I said, what did Riley say earlier?
That women are more strong.
Well, yeah, men are better at dealing with stress.
Yeah, the men should definitely be more powerful.
Also, I wanted to ask you, so you said that you probably don't need a gun because you live in California and it's low crime, right?
Well, like the area of California that I would live in.
Okay, okay.
What if you lived in Compton?
So the bubble, I keep talking about it.
I wouldn't live in Compton people.
Why not?
What about the arguments?
You live in Compton.
Why are you using your privilege over them?
No, why wouldn't you live in Compton?
It's just not an area that appeals to me.
Why?
And this is why you talk with me.
Because there are other areas that appeal more to me.
No, but why does Compton not appeal to you?
I don't know much about it.
It's lower class.
Right.
So you don't know what you want.
Why does it not appeal to you if you don't know much about it?
What do you know about Compton?
Can you tell me the one thing you know about Compton?
I don't know much about Compton.
I'm just guessing it's not as like.
Why would you say that?
So why?
Because you're bringing it up.
We all know.
We all know what the answer is.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if it's psychically.
Black neighborhood.
I mean, like, the race of the neighborhood's not a big deal to me, but if it's like a bad idea, why wouldn't you live in Compton then?
Because there are areas that I would rather live.
Oh, like which areas?
Like the Bay Area?
Oh, white area?
You're really clear.
The predominantly white affluent area.
That's why you don't know anything about immigrants.
I wouldn't.
You don't live around them.
I wouldn't.
And why are you defending immigrants?
I don't want to live around them.
It's like you don't want them in your immigrant neighborhood, but you're wanting them to be aware of that.
And that's actually what antigun crimes are, okay?
I wouldn't live in the Bay because it's white.
I would live in it because it's like a very nice area.
Yeah, no, why is it nice?
Why is it nice?
No, it's because it's a white neighborhood.
I'll tell you that right now.
It's not.
Like, do you think they might just have some like affinity and love for white people?
So explain to me why it's white.
Well, obviously, you don't.
You're trying to betray that.
It's a nice neighborhood.
The question was, there's great schools.
There's great people.
It's not really nice.
You're being circular without anything.
But there's great opportunities.
Like, I grew up there.
Exactly.
Yes, it's a lot of people.
You're being circular.
Women do this a lot.
Why is it a nice area?
Get to the room.
Riley.
It's true.
I mean, I grew up there, so there's like a lot of places there that I like.
So you're affluent.
No, you're being so circular.
And that's why you don't know anything that we're talking about.
Because we don't live around it.
Literally.
She's talking about welfare for people that aren't even belonging to it.
Would I not want to live in an affluent area?
The working class.
Doesn't everyone want to live in an affluent area?
If they can tell.
But why?
Yeah, so that's not race-based.
That's economy.
But at least people who are not in the affluent circles have like reality.
They have point of view perspective as to the real world.
People who are like, are you just criticizing me for being affluent?
Because the entire world is affluent and that it works out.
I don't think.
You're just criticizing.
I'm not criticizing you because you don't know.
You are young.
But you look down on people who say things like, I don't think we should have illegal immigration because you live nowhere near them.
I said I wasn't for illegal immigration either.
I said I wasn't for illegal immigration.
She would deport them.
That's actually fine with deportation with the minimum physical force necessary.
I said illegal immigration is not a good thing.
I said it should be prevented in the first place, but you're pulling, you're putting words into my mouth twisting my worldviews that you're dominating me over and over again.
And when I take all of you, get welfare.
No, don't be emotional.
Then we agree.
Oh my God, your voice is annoying as hell.
Okay, that's great.
You're being racist against a half Puerto Rican.
Why are you bigoting?
Why are you so bigoted?
Why are you lady immigration?
How is that?
No, not Puerto Ricans, just you.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That's fine.
Oh, I'm introverted compared to them.
So it's really just a cultural thing, right?
The question was literally, would she date somebody?
No, no, no, no.
This is an eight-hour podcast.
You have to talk about the subject.
We have plenty of time to do that.
Not put words into my mouth.
You're older.
I would prefer to date a man who owns guns.
I want to, but just because she said she would prefer not to doesn't, you're just totally putting words in her mouth.
We moved faster.
We were asking all the way around, basically.
And then there was the whole denial of like, no, I think you're putting words in her mouth.
I don't think so.
She can't keep track of what she says because she says it and then takes it back.
So I can't.
I can keep talking about what I say.
You can't because you guys keep twisting the things I say.
And you just said that.
Can you please give me an example of when we twisted something or when we ended up moving the goalpost when you said I was for illegal immigration?
You were declaring it better in the first part.
You were when I said that I was for deportation.
When I said that I was forced to do that.
She ended the argument.
I'm not for it.
And that's why we're having hard time.
I'm entirely agreed.
That's the whole point of a conversation is to get to the point.
She does kind of keep on changing what she says.
Right.
She does.
I don't agree with you.
She's really waiting for me.
If I'm going to be honest, I wasn't paying attention.
I said that I was.
Not because this is like circles.
I also like that.
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She's probably not going to be afraid.
Because her voice is drowning it out.
God damn.
At the end of the day, all you have is my voice because you're not speaking up for your own point of view.
You have no articulation when it comes to your own point of view.
So my articulated early days.
I can always articulate what I say.
That was the last thing I said.
She's been condescending this entire time.
I know.
I actually disagree with that.
But I honestly agree with you.
She snickered at me for something I said.
We're on different ages, but I don't think she's been condescending.
Honestly, I'm not going to be able to do that.
I watched her facial expressions.
Honestly, I'm not going to lie.
Honestly, I think Hannah is just like the quintessential, sweet, feminine girl who, whenever someone gets dogpiled, she just has to defend them.
She's just like, I can't tolerate this.
At least you'll acknowledge the dog people.
I'm not afraid of being kind humor, Nick.
No, no, no.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm flattering you.
I'm saying that.
I don't support that.
But at the same time, logically speaking, this is not the case.
Everyone here is saying that she's not a bad person.
What's a bigger net benefit on the world?
You being nice to her or her making a great argument and changing tens of thousands of people's minds on this podcast.
What would be a better thing?
I'm not sure if you can make a great argument, but I think if you really want to make a great argument, you need to actually talk and have some type.
Like, you guys are just yelling, going out of business.
If you really want to learn how to communicate with somebody, you actually need to also be open to listening to hear her out of the way.
And you keep just speaking over her.
You keep asking her.
She's been listening to her opinions out.
Like, do you hear your tone even now?
Like, and I'm being so serious.
She called me hostile, by the way.
Like, you're before the podcast started.
As opposed to the story.
And now she's speaking softly to try to get away from it.
I'm going to make this very clear.
I'm going to make this very clear.
When it comes to feminine dialogue, which I appreciate, when it comes to feminine dialogue, which I think should be encouraged and promoted, Hannah is the best example of someone trying to facilitate a kind dialogue.
And you're the one.
When it comes to political subjects, which actually proves the point, when it comes to political subjects, you enter the masculine aggressive field because policy matters.
So when you're going to talk about policy, as you've been doing, you have to expect a masculine energy.
Do I have a masculine energy right now?
Of course.
It's not feminine.
But at the end of the day, if women have the right to vote, if women are politicized, this is what you should expect.
And if you can't handle it, I'm get out of the kitchen.
Okay, I'm not.
Or get on the kitchen.
You can't keep yelling at me.
Make a sandwich.
To be fair, you were asking her questions, and then as soon as she got half a sentence out, you would talk over her.
You have to also give space for people to give their full arguments.
Yeah, that's what I was telling myself.
And by the way, like three of them at once.
Can you list me an example of when I interrupted her?
Because I do recall giving her the whole thing.
It's my full thing.
Hold on, hold on.
I'm not going to give examples.
Stop, stop, stop.
Let's not get into a meta-conversation about who interrupted who when.
Just make the correction.
Joshua, to be anti-gun is to be anti-woman.
Thank you for the big super chat, Joshua.
Do you hate women?
Very much.
Appreciate it.
Well, I mean, like, some women can't defend themselves, you know?
Like, how would you defend yourself?
Are you asking me if I hate women?
Yeah, well, like, what if a woman's walking alone home at night and a man comes up to them and tries to rape them?
They don't have a firearm.
They cannot defend themselves against the man.
That's what that statement means.
What do they do in that situation?
What should the woman do?
Yeah, what should the woman do?
I mean, ideally not be walking out at night, but then call the police, like try and get away from this individual as far as possible.
Okay.
And you're not waiting for me.
Are you sludge shaming?
They shouldn't be walking around at night.
That's not sludge shaming.
I would put the blame in this scenario on the man who's trying to.
Well, no, of course, yeah, the man is fully at fault, but it still is a reality that if a woman's walking alone home at night at like midnight, how about sludge shaming her?
Like, I'm saying it's not safe to do that because there exists a dangerous thing.
Well, it might not be safe.
What if they didn't come from a rich family like you did, and they are working like an eight-hour shift at her Mexican restaurant, right?
Not meant for them vegan.
Really?
Really?
10 vegan.
Okay.
So what if there's some like nine out of ten like Latina working at a restaurant, very pretty, very prone to rape, walking home at night because she can't afford a car to like you have a car, right?
She's your public transport from a rich family.
Even not all places have public transport.
Yes, exactly.
So how would a woman defend herself if she's on public transport where there's all these like brown and black people?
Well, it's probably safer to go to public transport than not now because most people on public transport are poor, which means they have a higher chance of committing crime.
So you think a woman on like a bus going home is more likely to get stabbed or like.
Oh, no, no, no, no, walking home at night probably.
I'd say, you wouldn't know because you're not taking it.
But yes, they get violated there the most.
There's no control.
The Ukrainian girl got killed right now.
Literally, there's no one patrolling it anymore because they just gave up.
I use public transport every day, by the way.
Because I know you said I never take it.
In which city?
Which city?
Well, here, but I'm still saying I take public transportation.
Really?
Okay.
I thought you just said here.
I just have to be spatially aware.
I thought you said your area was safe.
If you're spatially aware, I take you a lot more than likely.
Why wouldn't you walk at night if you're a bad person?
I take the bus here because it's faster to get to school.
About the 22-year-old, 9 out of 10 Latina, working at a restaurant, maybe her vegan restaurant, walking home at night, has to walk a mile after their eight-hour shift from four to midnight.
They're walking home at night.
How do they defend themselves?
Or they take public transport.
There's all these illegal immigrants on there.
I mean, obviously, that's not an ideal scenario, but I could hope she carry pepper spray, call the police.
Pepper spray?
Are people saying it's really rare to get involved in the future?
Even if she wants to own a gun having a game, wait, wait, what'd you say?
If she wants to go to home, she wants to own a gun, she can do that.
No, no, no, I joined the Marines.
My time.
I'm from Flint, Michigan.
She changed her mind.
That's wonderful.
I'm not against the Second Amendment.
Just so you admit that your personal experience of where you lived is what makes you feel like you're not going to be able to do that.
I never even thought I'd get a second amendment.
Well, not only that, globally speaking, the world is very violent towards women.
The Western nations are the only place where women have any similitude or illusion of safety, but we're losing that quickly because we're importing the entire world here, but they don't have feminist values.
They look at women and they're like, oh, they're weak.
We're going to go attack them and take what is ours.
So it's like, yes, globally speaking, the safety pockets for women are limited.
And having a gun equalizes it more.
It gives us a chance.
Even if it's not perfect, it gives us a chance.
I never said a woman couldn't own a gun.
We're not talking about that.
You're saying how, oh, well, what about the second?
What are you asking me whatever?
What are you asking me then?
Oh, no, there was like a piggyback of conversation.
You're not the second person.
This entire podcast, you have been so wishy-washy.
Can you please state your values on gun control, on immigration?
You've been so wishy-washy.
I'm not against the Second Amendment.
If you want to own a gun in the U.S., go ahead and do that.
I do, however, I don't have an exact solution.
Hope something can be done about the amount of gun violence and like school shootings in America.
That's my proposed regulation for gun owners.
But why don't you talk about that?
If it could help, then yeah.
But why is there...
If it would lower, if I knew.
You guys got to only ask her one question at a time.
You can't bombard her with three questions in a row, one question at a time.
If you told me right now that implementing gun regulation would lower the collective rate of gun violence in the U.S., then I would say yes, I'm for that.
So if you lower the gun violence in the United States, you would be for that policy.
And if that result was completely clear, because people say, oh, this regulation still might lead to this amount of gun violence and it might not work.
I'm not for that.
But if I know that you would be maximizing the amount of safety in this country and there would be less gun violence, I would be for that.
So you would deport black people back to Africa.
Let me get this straight.
That's very racist of you.
We're talking about gun regulation.
60% of the grandfather.
No, but you're talking about gun violence, actually.
Gun violence, murder rates are committed by 60% of African Americans.
You remove them from the equation, you get equal safety levels as European people.
You want to be more specific on that.
It's actually like 55% of gun violence for white people.
So there's many reasons that that's the case that go back to white people.
Like in history, like thousands of years.
15% more in the United States than black people.
You don't understand.
We're talking about per capita.
You're arguing against your case in this country.
I'm not arguing against you.
57% of the country is white.
15% of the gun violence rate is white.
60% of gun violence is committed by black people.
13% of the country is black.
You're arguing against your own people.
Why do you think that is, though?
Why do you think black people commit more crimes?
You should say not going to go to the bank.
You should say your opinions.
For the same reason, Africa is also equally as violent.
Yeah, wait, black people weren't enslaved in Africa to the rate that they were in America.
Why does Africa have higher crime rates than blacks in America?
Because of colonialism.
Colonialism?
Wait, wait, what about Ethiopia, who defeated Italy?
Why do people migrate?
They were never colonized.
They're probably still subject to effects of colonialism.
I don't know the history of Ethiopia.
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I can't talk about that.
I've just moved things on a little bit here, but Shona, is anybody here in favor of reparations?
Hell no.
Reparations to African Americans?
I don't think reparations is a correct solution.
No.
No, okay.
Because we do have two African Americans here.
If anybody wants to give them cash, I think money should be the cash.
If anybody wants to give them cash, I mean, rather than cash handles, I think.
Do you want to give money?
If you put money into like look, see, she's ready.
She's ready for it.
You're all going to dollar in my job.
We're putting money into low-income clades.
We're not going to be as well.
Let's do this here while we do.
You know what?
Some of these topics have gone a bit political, but we can bring in a little dating.
It's still probably going to get political on this part.
I'm not sure dating.
Yeah, I thought we were talking about dating.
I didn't even know my story made a headline here, so here we go.
Who deported the dating, right?
Well, let me ask Riley a question.
Riley, would you date a trans woman?
No, woman.
No, no.
Question: Do you think it's straight for a man to date a trans woman?
I mean, technically, yeah.
Technically, yes, before we respond though.
But I understand why it's not everyone's preference.
It's okay, fair.
Let's.
What was the question?
I just asked it.
Is it straight, heterosexual for a man, say Riley here, that he would, to date a transgender woman?
No, that's gay.
That's gay, okay.
If they're fully transitioned, then no, but yes.
So you're saying if they're post-op, they have the neo neo-vagina, then that would be heterosexual.
Is that what you're saying?
Straight.
It would be straight.
It's a literal inverted penis.
But before we dive in, your thoughts?
No, it's not straight.
It is.
It would be gay.
It is your position.
Yeah.
Okay.
What do you think?
Gay.
Gay.
Okay.
Thoughts?
I think that if you're dating a trans person, I feel like, and you know that they're a trans person, it puts you on some type of spectrum.
Okay, so maybe bisexual.
Yeah.
You might say.
But would they be strictly straight?
I don't think they'd be strictly straight.
Okay.
Your thoughts?
Freaking lutely not.
Okay.
What do you think?
Gay.
Gay.
Homosexual.
Gay.
I have a question for you.
I wouldn't date a man who dated a trans.
Hold on.
Okay.
You would view a trans man as a woman, right?
A trans man as a woman.
That's misogyny.
Yes.
Right?
Okay, so then as a straight man, would it not then be like straight for you to kiss that trans man?
It would be straight of me to do that.
Okay.
I was just curious about that.
Yeah, also another thing.
What was your definition?
That's consistent under your worldview.
And so, what was your answer to his question?
Again, I just want you to restate it.
You said that it would be straight up.
You said that it would be straight, right?
Could I ask you what is being straight?
Being attracted to the opposite gender, being normal.
Okay, or what about the opposite sex?
I said gender.
Okay, you said gender.
Okay.
Okay, what is gender?
Gender is like, well, I think I would have to come up with a definition more detailed.
You'd have to come up with a lot of shit to excuse me.
Can you say I think you automatically lose the argument?
Not really.
Yeah.
Okay, what is it?
Do you not think about your opinions before you make it?
Let's make it real simple here.
Can you tell me what is a woman?
I'd say it's like a vice versa.
It's like a social, it's a social identity mapped onto a biological reality.
That is so useful that same definition.
Can't I use that same definition for a man?
Not really, because the social identity that I mentioned has no social identity that you mentioned because you never mentioned that.
That encompasses what is considered feminine down to not just feminine, but like a colour.
So is she feminine?
She has short hair?
No, but there's probably like characteristics of being a woman that she could identify with.
Just because you identify with characteristics.
She's short here.
She's masculine now.
Yeah.
She's low IQ.
I just had this conversation with my nephew.
He's six.
And I had to explain to him that men can have long hair and women can have short hair.
It doesn't make you the opposite.
Doesn't make you fix.
Yeah, and it's that yeah, there was more feminine.
For example, like, okay, I'm a cisgender woman, but if I was secretive, there's no cisgender.
There's no cisgender.
Please not ask.
Don't demean us.
That's massage.
Yeah, so like I asked, what is a woman?
You said somebody who essentially has feminine characteristics.
Well, you're asking me about those characteristics.
Yeah, what are they?
Tell me something.
You know how hard it is.
What I was trying to, what I was trying to.
I was like, jumping again.
Well, no, you just said that there's no characteristics.
And she's saying that to be a woman, you have to be afraid of the family.
I was about to elaborate one thing.
Wait, let's hear it.
What are feminine characteristics?
I was.
Okay.
Can I clarify?
When I say like characteristics, it's about like your place in society, how you're perceived, the treatment you receive.
So, for example, regardless of my biology, like I am society.
I act as and I am treated as a woman.
And there's a wide scope that goes like within that.
But like, I am treated as a woman.
I am perceived as a woman.
I'm in society.
And I move through society as a woman.
Because you're a woman.
You haven't named a single feminine characteristic.
You're just like, oh, the way you get treated by society and the way you're thought of.
Like, what is a feminine characteristic?
Well, there's like aesthetic implications with no, no, name it.
Describe it.
Well, it's not so black and white.
Like, there's not key, like, okay, you said like aesthetic.
Let her finish her answer.
I mean, I wouldn't say there was like a certain fixed like characteristic that every woman has aside from sex, but like, as I said, like, like, identifying with like I like being treated as a woman's society, like dating-wise, or like with like the way you want to present yourself, there's like if someone wants to identify with those social characteristics, then I believe that you have yet to name a single feminine characteristic or trait, not a single one.
In fact, the example was, oh, you're masculine because you have short hair when he never said that.
In fact, there were words being put into his mouth for that.
So for all of the argument of words being put in, it's actually generalizing too.
Like, there are super flamboyant gay men who do not identify as women.
That does not make them women.
They're just flamboyant.
And they're treated as women because they're both.
A man is a woman is very misogynistic.
If we go back to Brahm versus Board of Education, what's something about being a man that they can probably still identify with?
Okay, just because you identify with something doesn't make you that.
I can identify as a duck.
Am I a duck?
Well, when it comes to gender, which I think is something that was why is it just gender?
Can I say, hey, I'm black.
I'm a black woman.
Can I?
If you're going to ask her a question, you do.
How do you act your mind?
Okay, all right.
If you're going to ask her a question, you got to let her actually answer the question.
Okay.
I just think when it comes to gender, like I'm not going to sit here and try and invalidate what someone chooses to identify with.
Okay, so you have no definition for woman at all.
I already gave it initially off the bat, but we should go.
We should go on.
I started off with the definition, but what is a woman?
I said it's like a social, it's a social construct mapped onto a biological reality.
Hey, knock it off, please.
Repeat yourself.
A social construct mapped onto a biological reality.
A female adult with a vagina that can give birth.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, uterus.
They have to have a uterus.
Wait, what if a woman's infertile?
Why are you making that woman a man by saying that she's infertile?
That's sexist against women.
Because she has a medical problem.
I mean, she can be inferred, but yeah.
I mean, a woman is someone that has a vagina that has a clitoris that, you know, that basically was born with that genitalia.
What if a woman went through a short attack and she didn't have like any female?
Well, that makes her not a woman because she's not a person.
A hypothetical is a good way to test your definition.
How many fingers does a human have?
Ten.
Ten.
Okay, if somebody lost one of their fingers, are they not a human anymore?
No, they're still a human.
They're still a human.
Okay, so why would she not be a female anymore just because she went through an accident?
Well, I'm saying she would.
I'm just checking with her because she said that a vagina was a requirement.
It is.
It is.
Actually, congratulations.
I'm saying she came to the correct answer in the same way that you said it.
She's not made me a man.
Humans have 10 fingers.
Well, I don't think that would be a man.
I'm just saying, like, if suddenly the vagina, let's get the answers from the rest of the panelists.
You said it has a uterus, okay?
Generally, a female adult.
Female adult?
Adult, human, female with XX chromosomes.
Okay.
Someone with a vagina.
Someone with a vagina.
Just for clarification.
Someone born with one excuse.
Born with a vagina, okay?
Same.
Okay.
Yeah, I was going to say XX chromosomes.
All right.
Same.
Well, you have the standard XX chromosomes and a vagina, but to be very legalistic about it, I would say ovaries is the major requirement you would need.
Oh, but what if she's born without ovaries?
No, I'm just kidding.
That's dumb.
But that's categorical points.
What if she's intersex?
You are never born with functioning ovaries and functioning testicles.
It has never happened in human history ever.
You have one reproductive pathway if you even if you have like XXY chromosomes or you have XX chromosomes, but like a crap ten of testosterone or something, you still will have either functioning ovaries or functioning testicles.
There has never been a human who produces wealth.
Really quick, we have a soup chat from Rowe from our Australian friend.
I define her as a Kent.
Kent?
Oh, because he's Australian.
Is that to her character traits?
I don't get it.
Who is her?
I kind of get it.
I think he's...
Or wait, hold on.
Too late.
Elaborate.
Thank you for your soup chat, man.
Very much appreciate it.
Well, Shona, I have a clarifying question here, and I don't know if this is going to be helpful, but so you said that.
I will say regarding my definition of a woman, I would want more time to kind of solidify my worldview on it.
But as it stands, I don't like invalidate the identity of someone who wants to identify as a gender that they're not born as.
Are you a woman?
Yes.
How do you know?
Because it's a part of my identity, like socially, and then also biologically, which I acknowledged in my definition earlier.
What do you mean by biologically?
Like my sex, like my body.
Like.
Like, I was born a woman.
Like, it's my assigned sex at birth.
No, but like what part of your body though?
Like, what exactly makes you a woman?
My chromosomes.
Well, I'm speaking to the biological aspect that you're asking about.
And?
Well, I just don't want to start using words relating to genitalia.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Sure.
But which chromosomes?
XX or XY?
XX.
Thank you.
But that's just speaking to the biological aspect.
Like I still like socially and in terms of...
So if you can't define a social definition, maybe we should just stick with the physical definition of it.
I mean, aesthetically, I like working.
Okay, I'm not saying this is a requirement for every woman out there, but like I like growing up, I was perceived as a woman and like that felt like a part of my identity that felt correct to me.
I exist and I move through society as a woman.
That feels correct to me.
Like aesthetically, and also just interest-wise, I really like feminine things.
That's just to speak to like my social reality as a woman.
Invalidating Immigrant Identity00:02:42
You invalidated the identity of undocumented immigrants who identify as Americans.
You're talking about immigrants, yet you're trying to not invalidate the identity of men who are not.
What did I invalidate regarding women then?
What did I say regarding immigrants that you're saying?
You want to invalidate the identity of illegal immigrants who come here by saying they're not Americans, even though they identify as such.
But you don't want to invalidate the identity of men who have perversions who commit statistically way more violence against women because that hurts you.
Well, if someone's illegally here and they've spent their whole life here, I don't think that like I'm not.
I know I understand like the on the need for deportation there, but I mean culturally they still could be American, so I didn't even completely invalidate that much.
Yeah, hold on.
Let me do a couple things, but we'll come back to this topic here in just a moment.
I don't think whether or not you're American purely depends on your status.
Hold on.
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Heterosexual Acts Defined00:14:08
I guess quick question, Shona, on the trans topic.
So you think it is straight for a man to date a trans woman?
That would be heterosexual.
I said yes, but I understand why that attraction may not exist all the time.
Because you can't help attraction.
Even if I respect someone's identity, for example, I cannot help if I'm not attracted to it.
Well, yeah, but I mean, you would see this even in opposite sex instances.
For example, not all males find all females attractive, even if they're genuinely female or genuinely a woman.
Like not you, you don't find all men attractive, do you?
Yeah.
Right.
So I'm not really interested in the preference component.
I'm just clarifying that.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
But you do think it would be straight, like as a descriptor, as a for your in terms of what you believe is to be true, you would say that a man dating a trans woman, that is definitionally heterosexual.
Period.
Yeah, although I will say there's like a lot of cognitive dissonance when it comes to like, let's say someone who's transitioned, but they've not made like, that's only like something that they've declared and they've not made any like physical transitions yet.
So let's say they let's say you picture like a man and then like you have a you have someone who was a man who just decided they wanted to identify as a woman.
Suddenly aesthetically you have like what maybe someone would think is two men standing next to each other.
Like obviously I'm trying to.
Well let's say let's say they're passing outwardly but they haven't had any sort of genitalia surgery.
I would say that's straight.
That would be straight.
So just to be clear, let me paint a picture and you tell me if this sounds like a heterosexual act.
Let's say you're outside an apartment and a man walks by and this is going to seem super autistic, but he says, I am a cis.
I hate this fucking term, but I'm a cis man and I'm straight.
And he walks into the apartment.
And then you see a trans woman go in and they disclose to you that they're trans.
By the way, I don't know why they would ever do this, but for the sake of the hypothetical.
They tell you they're trans, huh?
Am I physically present here?
You said they're discontinued.
You're like, I don't know.
It's at your dorm and you see them going into the dorm room or some shit.
A trans woman going to the dorm room.
Yeah, not your dorm room.
Another dorm room.
Okay, okay, okay.
And maybe it's like across the way so you can see into the window.
And you see that the cis man, the man, is performing oral sex on the trans woman's penis.
Would you describe this as a straight heterosexual act?
The sexual act or like their sexual orientation?
Hold on.
I would still call it.
If a man is, okay, if a man, a true man and a true woman are having sex, you would agree that that's a heterosexual act.
Right.
I define the act by the people having it, not exactly like what they're doing.
Okay, so hold on.
So, but my question still stands.
You see a man.
So, okay, there's a trans woman who's a fairly good person.
It wouldn't look like the straightest thing to me, but I would still call it straight so long as I respect.
Hold on, let me finish.
All right.
All right.
So you have the trans woman, right?
So wig, makeup, fake titties, in a dress.
Cast playing a woman.
But does, in fact, have a massive schlong.
Okay.
Gigantic fucking peen, right?
All right, all right.
Huge peen.
Jaij, one of the biggest.
Congrats, I guess.
This is why you need the I Love Big Dick swag.
Anyway, we were saying micro.
So you then see the man performing oral sex fellatio on the trans woman, the trans woman's penis.
Would you categorize this as a heterosexual act?
Technically, yeah.
Would it look that straight?
Technically, so technically, it would be heterosexual.
It would be straight to see a man sucking a penis.
That's straight to you.
Okay, what I'm saying is.
So wait, and it's also, really quick, really quick.
Also, the trans woman is in possession of a penis.
Do I have that correctly?
The woman has a penis.
Okay.
That's a question posed.
Yes, go ahead.
I would say yes, although I'll say this image would seem just as absurd to me as like everyone else on this table.
Like this is not something that I would like be able to picture very well or it would kind of catch like I would.
Wait, wait, how could you, but I don't understand.
So you do acknowledge that there are plenty.
I don't know what the breakdown is.
Like my understanding is most trans people have intact penises.
Like if you're a trans woman.
What I'm trying to say is just because something doesn't like initially seem that straight to me, so long as I choose to respect these people's identity, I'm still going to consider.
You can respect their identity, but I'm asking you, if you were to witness such an act, would you ever categorize it as a heterosexual sexual act?
In the case that that woman, that trans woman identifies as a woman, then yeah.
So you okay, just to be clear, it's hetero, it's heterosexual for a man to suck a penis.
I mean, suck a dick.
There's no women penises.
It's just vagina.
But again, like you're, you're, you're using like a slightly far-stretched hypothetical.
I don't, it's not far-stretched.
I'll call it straight.
If it's that crazy to you, I'll call it straight.
But really quick, so I guess my final thought on this.
So straight is short hurt, excuse me, short form slang for what?
Heterosexual?
I would say straight defines the gender that you are attracted to.
But what does heterosexual relate to?
Isn't that a sexuality?
Well, so straight, straight is short form slang for heterosexual.
When we're talking about sexuality, it's baked into the term itself.
We're talking about set, like your attraction to the opposite sex, not the opposite gender.
Hold on.
I would still understand that that man is perceiving the trans woman as a woman.
Just because you're perceiving something some way doesn't mean it's true.
Well, that's your nature.
That plays into your sexuality.
But when we're talking about sexuality, it's opposite sex.
Like if we're talking about heterosexual, that stands for opposite sex attraction.
It doesn't mean opposite gender.
And what I would say is just because something doesn't make sense to me and I can't relate to it, if it makes sense to them, I'm a respecter.
But why are we as society forced to play make-believe?
But it's their sexual interaction.
That's their sexual activity.
What if I had a female girlfriend who identifies that?
So it doesn't affect you, is what I'm saying.
It does actually.
I actually have a story about a transgender person that did something very terrifying to me, so maybe you should keep your mindset.
I'm saying I actually am scared.
A sexual encounter.
A sexual encounter between a trans woman and a man happening in private with like out of your way does not affect you.
So it depends on how you think.
But what's reality?
What do you say?
It depends on how they think about it.
Well, two things can be true.
You can say, you can say that you respect that, but also it's not a heterosexual.
Yeah, exactly.
I think that's where I'm trying to figure out how to do it.
You can totally respect it.
You can say this.
Well, I would say if I picture the sexual bad act, let's say you're a woman, you're wearing a dildo or a strap one or whatever, and he's sucking on the strap one.
Does that automatically make him gay?
That's a great point to bring up.
I think when a woman pegs a man, it's gay.
He's got some sort of, but what makes a tendency to be a little bit more.
Well, it's not actually gay.
I would argue against it.
I would say it's not gay because you're still with a woman.
It's like it's a gay tendency.
He has a gay tendency for her.
You have a problem with that.
Socially speaking, that could be a heuristic to come to that conclusion, but ultimately, if he's not willing to do that with a man, then he still maintains a lot of people.
If he's willing to suck like a classic behavior, he's really freaky, he's a freaky guy, but he's still straight.
If he's doing it with a man, a rubber spiritual, that's a whole different other energy.
That's a whole different other sex.
I agree with you.
So girls have pegged a man.
Yeah, that's not gay.
But he's freaky listening.
How do you mean?
But it's not gay.
Like her system of defining this is actually the same as mine because I'm saying it doesn't depend on like the sexual details of what happening, of what's happening, even if it looks gay, even if it looks straight.
We're talking about it.
It depends on the identity of the person.
No, it's transferred.
What if a man is having sex with a 13-year-old girl who identifies as 21?
It depends on the identity of the person.
Yeah, because it's a slippery slope of plain reality.
Is a man having sex with a 13-year-old girl?
Is that pedophilia?
Maybe.
But what if they think of it as she's actually older?
Riley, maybe.
She's existed for that matter.
No, T-OS.
No, no, no.
TOS.
Yeah, the terms of service.
Terms of service.
Please don't tell me I'm trying to find a scenario where we can like.
Well, it happens in other countries, right?
Like children marriage happens in other countries.
And that sucks.
But maybe bring it over here.
Maybe we should restrain from bringing over in here.
I never said we should bring it over here.
I never saved it for the children.
Maybe we should restrain from the child narrative.
It's an easy point.
But I would say, honestly, when it comes to the whole trans woman narrative, the trans man narrative, when it comes to a woman transitioning into a man, there are severe traumas that have not been assessed, and she is doing permanent physical mutilation to her body.
If you're okay with that, then 10 toes to the floor.
I think there should be an age minimum for any like.
I don't think there's an age minimum.
I think across the board, you are mutilating your body.
It's a healthy body.
Why would a doctor who has a HIPAA compliance oath do that to someone?
Surgery is not necessarily going to be a good idea.
If a man in his brain thought that his dog was an adult human female, would it be okay for that man to have sex with his dog?
No.
It's the same thing.
We're talking about human beings here.
I can't.
Wait a minute.
What were you going to say?
I just want to say that.
I have a bit of a hot take because somebody brought up pegging.
I think that was me.
I think if you're a guy and you like getting pegged, it's kind of gay.
It's kind of gay.
I understand.
I understand.
I understand what I'm going to say about you're gay.
I still think it's gay.
Even if it's a woman doing the pegging, I still think it's gay.
I get it.
But at the same time, if he was gay, it's so easy to do it with a man.
It is so easy.
It is so easy to do.
Is it going to be a bad thing?
I personally agree.
It's weird.
It's freaking weird.
They're definitely going out and getting pegged by mangirl.
To clarify, it was definitely men.
And, you know, they feel like they're super machos.
It was a Mexican man, so he loved it.
They have to release the tension somehow.
Wait, can I get back?
Can I go back to those things up here?
That's weird.
Why are they making it?
No, but it's a thing.
Let's cut their brain.
I don't think they're going to be able to do that.
Or unless you're watching it.
One at a time.
Can I go back to this?
What's your name?
I'm sorry.
Can I go back to what your point that you just said?
Frankie?
Frankie just said, brought up a good point.
She said most people that transition end up committing.
Okay.
And I want to delve into that real quick.
I used to work for a hormone specialist in Solana Beach, California.
And so I used to have to follow around, listen to everything.
She, what I learned from her is that hormones are the center of our health.
Doctors take a Hippocratic oath.
And in that Hippocratic oath, it is what?
Do not, what is it, cause harm.
Hormones are the center of our health.
If our hormones, even if a woman who has PC LS or whatever gets overweight, even someone that's done.
It throws up our hormones, which throws off our thyroid.
This is not health care.
This is mutilating your brain.
Now, if you want to dress up as a woman, by all means.
But to sit there and chop your reproductive system that regulates your hormones and to say that's healthcare, it's not.
It actually causes cancers, diabetes.
It increases mental health issues.
And if you want, I have a story about a trans person.
I have a personal story, and this is why I'm so passionate about it.
I was the victim to a trans person.
I was trying to be inclusive.
I was trying to be nice.
And it bit me in the ass.
This was a trans woman, had everything but the bottom surgery.
Looked like a man, though.
I mean, like, huge, 6'4, huge.
I wish I could pull up my phone and show a picture.
Was a friend, he would come over all the time, and you know, we'd smoke weed.
We were just like stoner friends together or whatever.
Well, she, I'll say.
Now, this person had my last name and his first name were the same.
Just keep that in the back of your mind.
One day he comes over, he's drumming his fingers and staring at me.
He said, I have something I need to talk to you about.
Now, I'm working from home.
It's during COVID.
I'm talking to my boss.
While I'm talking to my boss, I just felt this like stare, and I look over, and the way he was looking at me and just drumming his fingers at me.
And I was genuinely terrified.
So my cousin called after my meeting with my boss, and I went outside, came back in.
For all I knew, Kelly was gone.
Okay.
And I was like, okay, thank God.
That was so uncomfortable.
Well, I'm like working from home.
All of a sudden, I get a this is when I live in California, a beating on the door.
And I look out, and everyone knows that California cops, you have to be basically in the middle of murdering someone for them to even do anything.
So when I saw what I saw, my people, it was terrifying.
So many cops, so many firefighters, so many everything.
And I opened the door and they said, Kelly, and I. You're kind of talking a lot.
Oh, sorry.
You're okay.
But that being said, as valid as usual, land the plane real quick.
Okay.
I said, I think you have the wrong person.
I shut the door.
They busted into the door.
Kelly was in my kid's room hiding and called and said something very terrifying.
And that's why the cops pull out.
And I went into and found, like, they pulled him out, put him in a 48-hour hold, and I found a sack of every drug you can think of.
He was doctor hopping, mental health to the roof bad.
All the, I mean, hormones, everything.
I mean, that is not medical, that's not medicine.
And most of them are being treated this way.
Well, that's the thing.
Do you hate this trans person because they had a lot of hormones that were found?
I'm just checking.
What?
What?
You said that.
No, because they were hiding in my bedroom and threatening to hurt me.
Okay.
Because they were on all these hormones.
I was just checking.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Huffing and puffing at her story.
Do you respect men?
I didn't help them puff at her story.
I was listening to you.
Do you respect men with porn addictions?
Do I respect?
Do you respect men with porn addictions?
No.
How can you do that?
Then why do you respect trans women?
They're literally transitioning because they watch too much porn.
That's got to be a problem.
I said everyone transitions because they watched it.
Subverting European Culture00:05:09
It's just because they're not.
I don't know what that is.
They always transition because there's a link.
I don't know if it's saying that children transition.
And autogynophilia is a real reason that you're not.
So every trans person is a porn addict?
No, she never said that.
Well, that's what I was trying to say, though.
A quarter of them used to be homosexual, and they usually transitioned because they had a terrible relationship with their father.
Once it became a trend, then typically incels started trans maxing after watching enough pornography, and they started imagining themselves having sex with women.
Yeah, if you actually look at the written work of it's a trans woman, I can't remember their name, but basically the fantasy is to be the one getting fucked.
Like, that's how they detail it.
And so, there is like a kink aspect for some.
I don't know.
But, like, if you think about the percentage of men who watch porn, it kind of checks out.
Because if you, the way that porn websites work is it starts you, you know, with something really simple, and then the whole like websites are designed to kind of like keep shoving you into different niches.
And I can see how men could end up there watching that kind of content.
Yep.
Of course, that's just for male to female.
What are we talking about for female to male?
They were traumatized.
They're usually victims of sexual by another transgender or gay.
They like to be a lot of people who are in the world.
Are the majority of those trans people victims of sexual assault?
Like from the homosexual ones are liable.
It's like 60% of gay men are victims of like CSA.
When it comes to women, most of them have had a traumatic physical experience in their adolescence or childhood.
That's why they want to chop off.
And it's not standard guns because that's the causation definitively to you.
Well, I'm just curious because I've never friends because since it's becoming a popular thing, I've never seen these statistics and I've never heard of blehemia trans women hop on self-determination.
I've met a lot of trans people in the same way.
And it's not even either.
They're just easy to lie to.
You move the goalposts.
You're not really the greatest when it comes to having a grasp on reality.
You used personal anecdotes earlier.
I did not use any personal anecdotes.
You said that judgment against the Hispanics didn't exist because you never faced it anyway.
No, statistically speaking, why would they come over if there's discrimination?
There's literally no discrimination.
Because they could still get a job.
You're the one using anecdotes saying, oh, they're discriminated.
I'm talking about prejudice.
You don't even have it.
Why don't they get a job in Mexico then?
Because the job in America probably pays you more.
Why?
Because we have a better economy.
Yeah, why is it better?
We both have access to the Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
Like, what makes America better?
They're closer to the Panama Canal.
Really?
Like, every reason that the American economy is better, like, just more developed.
It's just a root of developed country.
Why?
Why?
Yeah.
What would you say the root of it is?
I would say that because most people here are European of European.
So you think, like, just like the phenotype is what's associated with the amount of money generated?
The vast majority of the country.
What about the European phenotype generates more money in Puritans?
I don't know.
I don't know either.
I keep long-term thinking.
You're just saying you believe this.
Well, because here's the thing: Europeans, throughout the entirety of Europe, they have to go through a hot summer, cold winter, hot summer, cold winter.
If somebody is living off the coast of Nigeria and the entire civilization is built off the coast of Nigeria, if you can call it a civilization, they're just constantly at like 80 degrees non-stop.
They don't have to build a shelter.
They don't have to prepare for food.
While people in Europe, they'd have to prepare food for the winter, build a good shelter for the winter.
Then in the summer, it's hot.
They have to figure out things.
They have to go back and forth with these things, which is why Europe and East Asia are so developed.
Are you talking a lot?
Really?
Yeah, I was really nice.
I was really nice and didn't interrupt anyone for a decent bit of time.
And then it's like, then you just had to do it to me.
I thought we were friends.
I do disagree with your point to an extent, though, because I say that there's different economic systems that have helped in each nation.
Each nation builds their own economic system based on the cultural values.
I think that there's foreign international elements that are subverting Africa, that are subverting South America from their natural economy.
Because look at that.
Okay, but what about before?
Kelly has made a perfect nation, but he was able to incarcerate all the criminals.
Where before he wasn't allowed to because the multinational corporations necessitated it, why did Africa never develop before globalization?
Well, that's the argument that I'm going to predate.
Before colonization, they were basically fine doing whatever they had to do.
If you believe that people need to remain and prosper within their own cultural homogeneity, why?
But then why not being fine remaining in Mexico?
Why exactly were Europeans, well, actually, it predates.
Why exactly were Arabs going into Africa, subverting their nations and using them as slave labor?
They were fine as is.
In fact, even South Africa is evidence of that.
When the Dutch were building their communities, Rhodesia is also an example of that.
When the Dutch were, well, the British were building their civilizations, a lot of Africans remain in their tribal centers in their allotted spaces.
They had their own maintenance.
They understood what their values were.
They understood what made them happy.
At the end of the day, it's really the Industrial Revolution that has messed everyone up, including our own country.
This is why we're criticizing the nature of our own economy, our own civilization.
Okay, so why do you think the Industrial Revolution happened between England and the United States, predominantly white countries?
Why didn't it happen in Africa?
There was actually a really interesting documentary pertaining to this called Guns, Germs, and Steel.
It has to do with the distribution of germs and bacteria, as well as where steel was found and who was able to get it.
So it's because Europeans lived in dense cities and stuff, and that's why there's disease that they built immunity.
That's not what I said.
I mean, like, it's been a while.
You just mentioned germs, and I'm assuming.
I don't want to have a whole conversation about it, but like...
You can stand on nothing.
Ethnicity And Dress Codes00:07:07
You have a foundation of sanity.
Okay, I've forgotten for this.
But I do think that's what I'm saying.
It's all environmentally dictated.
So the reason why Africa's...
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's what I said.
The environment.
Like, why are they going to be aware of that?
That's not important.
But you said Africans didn't reach the Industrial Revolution is because their environment gave them all of the resources.
When it comes to Asia, they had to be collectivists because they all were working the rain, what's it called?
The rain, or the rice farms, the rice fields, rather.
But it got in Arab.
It's a wheat-based system.
So that's why they prioritize individualism.
When it comes to the southern Europeans, they're Mediterranean.
How did we get off first?
We were talking about porn.
Yeah, and then men get impacted by women, and now we're actually talking about rain.
It's a pretty long podcast.
So like we're kind of like, why am I born?
I'm just trying to do that where we're starting.
I don't know how we got to this point, honestly.
Is your name Angelico?
Yes.
Okay, I wanted to ask you, so as far as the trans maxing, do you think it's more about them trying to validate themselves?
No, I honestly think it's not even a validation.
I think there's no identity when it comes to particularly white men in this country.
So they're seeking anything to basically get their bare minimum needs met, which is sex.
So if they're going to find sex easier by being a trans, which is seemingly the most socially promoted thing, clearly, then obviously they're going to go down that route.
But when it comes to my argument, is anyone who promotes this trans agenda, are you willing to take responsibility on for the surgical mutilations that they take on, the way that they're going to propagate it onto children, the fact that we have to tax subsidize their surgeries and not tax subsidize childbirth.
Women in this country have to pay $20 to $50K in childbirth, but we fully fund a man becoming a woman.
You don't have to pay $20 to $50,000.
Isn't being trans a social disadvantage, though?
No, clearly not.
You support them.
Well, clearly.
Like blindly.
In fact, in schools, in every academic, they get incentives for being transparent.
The man that attacked me, my company paid 90% of his sex SRS.
I don't agree with that.
And I would love a Tommy Tac after having three kids.
Do you think that was supported to me?
There's no such thing as trans rights.
Everyone has the same rights.
Mental illness promotion.
Yeah.
They are mentally ill.
What rights they're doing?
How are you going to take it?
I will take full responsibility.
Because they're not wanting to reproduce.
If I will take full responsibility, if we see a society not wanting to be predominantly encouraging these people to find some security in their femininity and in their masculinity, I will not take responsibility for what they end up hurting themselves doing or the illusion that they end up promoting.
Will you take responsibility for the delusions that they're having and what they do to their own body?
Would you?
No.
Would you?
Of course not.
Would you treat a schizophrenic by talking to the invisible people that they're seeing?
Would you treat it that way?
No, but that's because you're acknowledging one as a mental illness and the other as like yours.
How is thinking that you're something that you're not a mental illness?
Well, that's because you like, again, I respect these people's identity.
I see that it's not a mental idea.
So I don't think, like, that goes down to whether or not you view them as a woman.
What is a mental illness?
A mental illness, I'd say, is like a problem that exists within your mind mentally that plagues you.
So someone that needs to be on hormones and mutilate their body and again, I wouldn't even call it mutilation.
And I wouldn't say they're something that they're not.
I wouldn't say take.
I don't want to get too vulgar, but if a man ends up inverting his private parts, it will necrify.
They have to dilate it, and it ends up dying from the wound itself.
50% of them die, including women, from the wound itself because it dies.
The flesh dies.
Then they get infections because they're trying to pee out of something that is completely mutilated.
And they have a lot of people.
It is mutilation.
They have identified.
And they are inside of the flesh.
It is mutilation.
And you're encouraging that.
Don't be afraid of that.
I'm encouraging that.
That is just respecting a trans person.
I was not talking about that procedure.
I was talking about colouring about their own parents.
Also, can I bring you a picture?
Yo, Angelica, Angelica.
If you're going to fucking have a conversation with her, you got to let her finish without interrupting.
It's fucking dog shit for the audio.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say, when I say I respect a trans person's identity, I am saying, like, okay, I will, if you want to identify as a woman, I will call you as such.
I will treat you as such.
I am not saying that this particular procedure that has all these adverse effects on the human body, that I am encouraging everyone to get this procedure.
I don't know about that procedure.
And if it's really harmful, then I would, and it's causing like all these people all this harm.
Then I'm not for that.
Can I identify as black?
Sorry.
Which is why she was saying that she doesn't care if they suck a penis or not because they already identified a woman, which makes them a woman.
The surgery does not make them a woman.
But that's playing.
I want her to answer the.
Can I identify as black?
Why the hell not?
Because I don't think your ethnicity is like a social construct.
Well, that's the point.
Yes, it is.
If you knew better, you wouldn't think that way.
Why do you think we're arguing with you?
Do you think that white people are the dominant race in America?
Yes or no?
I don't know.
Do they make up the biggest percentage?
Yes.
Yes, but do you think that they dominate everywhere?
Schools?
That wasn't your original question.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
I don't know where she's going.
Those are two separate things.
Okay.
Do you think that white people dominate the world?
Dominate the world?
No, not necessarily.
There's like a billion people in China.
So if we just talk about demographic percentages, then I don't think they're the.
Okay, do you think white people dominate America?
Well, if we're talking like demographically, if they make up the biggest percentage, then yeah.
But do you think we have the most benefits in society and we're the less oppressed?
I wouldn't not necessarily know.
Okay.
What's your where are you taking your line of questioning?
I don't know where she's going.
Because race is a social construct, too.
Because there's a lot of people out there that say, oh, well, white people have more of an advantage.
Ethnicity isn't, though.
Then that makes ethnicity and race a social construct when you say things like that.
I'd say race is a very hard person.
Like someone could perceive me as one thing, but I could not be that thing when it comes to race.
Like, for example, he thought I was like Hispanic.
So where they started.
But my ethnicity is Indian.
I have like, that's like in my DNA that's been tested.
Like that's.
Yeah.
Okay, but I wanted to go back to it though.
Like, why can't I really identify as black?
Why can't I do that?
Because I don't think that there's anything about that that you can relate to.
Okay.
What if I adopt black culture?
What if I have dreadlocks on?
What if I like knock up some women and don't take care of them?
Like that's not black culture.
That's not.
It's where it's tied to your heritage.
It's tied to like your ethnicity is tied to your heritage.
Like going way back, it's tied to your family.
It's tied to your upbringing.
It's tied to your background.
It's probably tied to the places you visited.
Isn't your gender tied to your sex?
Yeah, but your sex just starts at your birth.
I said, I already acknowledged the biological reality within gender earlier.
To be fair, to be fair, though, I saw that earlier.
I said there is equally a sexual aspect and a biological aspect.
I want to mention that leaving a woman pregnant out of wedlock.
That is the absence of culture and responsibility.
Exactly.
That's something I need to encourage.
When it comes to black culture, there are elements of music and culture that need to be respected.
But when it comes to leaving a woman pregnant and abandoning her, that is the absence of culture.
I would say being black does not depend on your hairstyle or music taste.
It depends on your heritage.
Well, why doesn't it depend on that?
Title IX Physiology00:05:45
I think that people need to start being okay with seeing men in dresses and not calling them women.
I think that men should be able to be feminine and to wear dresses, have long hair, whatever, without being called a woman.
Yeah, but that was the whole thing with Kurt Cobain.
It's like that's been normalized.
That was actually like popular.
People get banned and that also is healthy for a few years.
Because it's a trend to be transgender, there is a difference between transgender people that are transgender because of the mental illness, gender dysphoria, which is real and hard to deal with, whatever.
And transgender people who are transgender because they want to be part of this gender.
They want to look feminine and call themselves.
I don't care.
You should be able to be feminine and wear a dress and look like a woman without calling it.
The last point I'm not going to have is when it comes to someone who is truly mentally ill, which used to be the case before it became a trend, would you be okay with them getting surgical procedures as opposed to psychiatric help?
No, you can't, if you have some other type of delusion where you really feel like you need to have your leg chopped off, a doctor's not going to do that.
Obviously.
I think that it probably should be the same for transgender people.
You should be able to look like a woman and do feminine things without having to change the one thing that nobody sees.
I'm in agreement.
And calling yourself a woman.
I'm in agreement.
I also just want to say, like, if you're considering transgender, like, a mental illness, I really also hope you're not going to be able to do that.
It's always been a good idea.
I'd like to see an advocate for mental health awareness, more mental health resources being put into schools and things of that sort.
I just hope that that's the case for you.
Yeah.
Congratulations, it is.
You got what you received.
No, I'm just, I'm just checking.
I'm just hoping.
Congratulations.
Of course, of course.
The unknown soldier donated $200.
Thank you, man.
I'd like to lighten the mood with a poem about mathematics.
It's called 1 million.
Don't cut me off, Brian.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
You got to keep going.
13, 14, 15.
Hey, man, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24.
Hey, man, you're going to be spending a lot of money tonight, man.
If it's a poem called 1 million, you got to get it.
You might make me...
You're going to drop like five figures, six figures tonight, maybe more.
I'm not sure, though.
No, wait, hold on.
What would be if you can fit 25, so it'd be like a million divided by 25?
4,000.
Wait.
800,000?
Wait, hold on.
4,000?
Wait, a million divided by...
Wait, am I retarded?
Oh, no.
40,000.
I'm actually typing.
It's 40,000.
Yeah, it wouldn't be 40,000.
Wait, it's 40,000, right?
Wait, no, hold on.
No.
40 million.
No, it wouldn't be 8.
No, divided by.
Wait.
Am I. Multiplied by 200, though.
Divided by 25.
It would be 40,000.
He could send in 40,000 super chats.
So times 200.
Hold on.
Let me do the math.
I'm actually retarded.
Can we at least get to 100 though?
It would be 8 million.
It wouldn't get to 100, though.
I think we could get to 100.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
I still am going to do the champagne pot from earlier.
We're going to shift gears here.
We do have a super chat also from Jim Bob.
If a woman is anyone that wants to claim they are a woman, why do we have Title IX?
Why are you misogynist?
Oh.
Yeah.
I was going to, I tried to bring up Title IX.
Tell me more about Title IX.
It happened during Brown of Education.
Brown versus.
It like ensures a division between men's and women's sports and things like that, so that way women can compete fairly.
It happened during Brown versus Board of Education.
Reason we have Title IX is because like sports plays a lot into like your body, your physiology, and because like men and women from birth have very different physiology, like there needs to be something like that.
Do you think that a trans woman or trans person in general has a duty or should have a duty to disclose to a potential romantic party?
Disclose your private parts?
I think so, yeah.
I think that should be like something they should be honest about.
Yeah, last week we had a woman saying that there was no duty.
Well, there isn't like a legal duty, so technically someone could like bamboozle you.
But I think there should be like a moral ethical duty.
Like if you're trans, you should probably disclose that and not let's say you're super passing or whatever.
Although I like to think that it's usually pretty obvious, but you know.
There's some good ones out there.
Yeah, look, some of the lady boys or whatever, I guess they're not.
Oh, I know someone.
I know someone might get killed because I think he didn't discuss it.
I think they should disclose it.
But I thought they were a woman.
What makes them different from a normal woman?
What does it have to do with whether or not I think they should disclose it?
I think that's a major part of their identity.
I thought they were just a normal woman, though.
That's interesting.
So it should be a normal normal normal.
I think they're a woman, but obviously they have a very different experience in a very different past.
And that also, like, again, relates to their physiology in some way.
Okay, let me ask.
If a man were to have sex with you, sorry, it's awkward.
But if a man were to have sex with you, would it be Gary Strait?
Like, is it straight for him to do that?
That would be straight.
I also want to clarify: I'm not attracted to trans men personally.
Okay.
By the way, guys, my math hiccup there, I drank so much from that champagne bottle.
I'm still a bit tipsy, so when I'm a little, you know, alcohol is involved, my math just completely that's why we don't have any extra champagne.
Dating Rating Scale00:12:30
That's the real reason.
You got another one, right?
Yeah, there's another one.
We're going to pop another one.
So, Robert Tanner, we're going to pop that in just a moment.
Well, I do have to move it on, but we have Gorlock the Destroyer.
This is a dating question on a scale of one, zero to 10.
Rate your own looks.
Hold on, let me repeat that because I fucking stuttered.
On a scale of zero to 10, rate your own looks.
Face, body, total, can't pick seven.
So do it like, for example, I'll go ahead and rate myself.
Face 4.5, body, 4.5, total 4.5.
So if you can break it down, like your face rating, body rating, total rating, starting with you.
Can I just say like 6.5?
No, just do face, body, total.
So total would be.
I'll just say 6.5 for everything.
So can you do face 6.5?
Face 6.5, body 6.5, total 6.5.
I think you're...
Stop, Sorry.
Stop.
We don't need the constant buttons on some of these.
Just allow the people.
Let me go around the panel.
Go ahead.
Face six, body six, total six.
Okay.
Face six, body six, total six as well.
Okay.
Face four and a half, body six, total five.
Yeah.
Face five, body five, total five.
Face five point five, body six point five.
I don't know, total, just five and five in general, five point five.
Um, eight, eight, eight.
Uh, I think personality plays a huge role.
We're talking about looks.
I know.
I think it plays a role.
I would say eight, eight, and eight.
Okay, what about you?
Mike, closer to the mic, please.
Four, six, seven.
I don't know.
That doesn't make sense.
The math is not happy.
Yeah, in total, just like a six.
Oh, I was just trying to tell this lady that she undercut herself.
I think you're very beautiful, FYI.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I would say seven and a half all around, like down the board.
Well, you can't say seven at all.
Not seven and a half.
Yeah, so you're gonna have to either go.
Okay, can I just say six and a half then?
Sure.
Okay.
Okay.
Do you not agree to that?
Yeah.
Base five, body, probably five, and then overall five.
Okay, Riley.
Well, my acne tanks me.
I would say, I can't say seven, so eight, eight, eight.
All right.
And I get myself 4.5, 4.5, 4.5.
All right.
Wow, no tens at the table.
That is a rare treat, I guess.
We don't want to open up ourselves to any more controversy.
Oh, so okay, we do have some tens then, maybe, at the table.
All right.
I mean, I do think there were some overratings, admittedly.
I'm not going to lie.
Although, I usually don't.
Can you rate us?
I can do that.
Okay, I'm sure I can do it.
But yeah, usually I'm going to kind of pick on somebody who gives themself a 10 or a 9 or something.
I mean, there was a couple overratings.
I'll rate you guys super quick, but we're not going to actually linger on this topic quite as long as we normally do.
Okay, so let's see here.
I should repeat your ratings.
You gave yourself 6.5?
You got to just let your eyebrows just go natural, I think.
We've talked about that before.
And I did a little bit.
We've talked about that.
We talked about that before.
I did more.
Just let them go.
Just let them...
Okay.
When you wax, it kills a hair follicle stir thing.
I stopped waxing.
Okay, but 6.5.
You gave yourself 6.5.
You're wearing full face of makeup, foundation, contouring, powder, eyeliner, mascara.
Do you have fake lashes?
I put on like one little cluster on the edge, but mostly not.
Are you wearing hair extensions?
No, this is my real hair.
Okay.
You gave yourself 6.5.
I think I'd put you like 5.56.
Okay.
You gave yourself a 6.
I'd put you at a 4 to 4.5.
You gave yourself a 6.
You've got full anime girl makeup.
What's that?
What's the term for it?
There's a specific term for that kind of, it's like Japanese style.
Yeah, I am part Japanese.
I feel like anime was right.
You used anime.
Gayaru, I think it might be that.
You're part half Japanese?
Yeah, mine's more Jiraike, though.
A little closer to the mic.
Mine's more Jiraike.
Jirai.
I have no idea what that is, but I'll take your word for it.
So yeah, you've got the fake lashes, quite a bit of makeup.
It is hard to do assessments when the makeup is so robust.
You gave yourself a six.
And I'm also giving someone the assessment, like I'm envisioning without the makeup.
I think you'd be closer to like 4.755.
You gave yourself a 4.5.
I actually think that's pretty accurate.
You got to lose the septum piercing, though.
And you should flipped it up.
I think you got to...
You're conservative, right?
I mean, you're moderate.
You're moderate.
Okay.
What's with the short hair?
I'm just curious.
Well, it's a funny story.
My current boyfriend had cancer, and I dressed up for him for Halloween, and I went like all the way.
So I shaved my hair off.
I bought him a wig, or he might have bought himself a wig, but he dressed as me.
I dressed as him.
It was awesome.
That's so sweet.
I think that's sweet, admirable that you did that.
That's a door.
I'm going to cry.
Brian can't even hate on that.
Well, yeah, I mean, of course, you know, this is the things people do.
If a friend or family member or boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever has cancer in like a show of solidarity, you will shave your head to support.
But it does typically, at least for assessments of female attractiveness, shorter hair typically does have an impact on the assessment of attractiveness.
But I think grow the hair out, lose the septum piercing.
Yeah, I miss my long hair all the time.
Yeah, but so yeah, you gave yourself 4.5.
I think you're fairly spot on there.
You gave yourself a 5, is that correct?
Fair bit of eye shadow there.
Full face of makeup.
I think I'd give you between a 4, 4.5.
You gave yourself a 5.5 for face.
I think, yeah, 5, 5.5.
I think you're fairly spot on.
You gave yourself an 8 there.
I think you did overrate yourself.
I'd probably give you, I want to say between a 4 and a 5.
You gave yourself an 8.
You are wearing quite a bit of makeup, although underneath the makeup there are some strong aesthetic components there.
I do think you did slightly overrate yourself, but I would say, I think I'd give you, it is hard with the makeup.
I think I'd give you maybe like a 6.
6.
You gave yourself a 4?
Is that correct?
6.
Oh, wait.
I must have rate.
You're very strict, Brian.
I think you undercut yourself too.
I think you undercut yourself.
No, Brian, then.
I can give the explanation.
Hold on, just to be clear.
So some people think seven is average.
Like they're doing it off of like a grade, you know, like a C. You'd be like a C is an average grade or whatever, and that would make you, I don't know, in this, the, if you, what, what is a C?
Like you, out of a hundred points, you get between 70 and 70 to 80, and people think that's average grade or whatever.
No.
Five is average.
So if you're five, that's average looking.
Okay, so you gave yourself a six, you said.
I think I'd put you closer to a four.
You gave yourself a was it 7.5?
No, 6.5.
Oh, 6, 6.
I changed it, yeah.
6.5.
I'd put you closer to 4.55.
Angelica, you gave yourself a 5.
I actually think, Angelica, you may have slightly underrated yourself.
I think I'd put you face-wise.
These are all face ratings, by the way.
I'm not rating body or total.
I think Angelica I'd put you closer to 5.5.
Riley, what did you give yourself?
888.
888?
I don't rate dudes.
I'm a pass-on.
I mean, I could rate a dude.
You want me to rate you, Riley?
What if we rate him?
Can we write him?
Yeah.
We could do a little bit more game here.
Sure, why not?
Like a five.
You got to switch the camera angles.
Go ahead.
Like a five.
Okay.
Not my tie, but probably like a four.
Five.
Yeah, five sounds about right.
Six.
I would say six, but I think you're going to get more handsome with age.
I think you're kind of in a geeky phase right now.
Since you're very young, like I'm 30 and I kind of look at you like a little kid.
Get some facial hair.
Yeah, like I think by the time you're my age, you're going to be a knockout.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree.
After you saying that, I was going to say 4.55.
Yeah, so five.
I hate this game, but I think you're super handsome.
I would give you an eight.
I think you have pretty eyes, so I'll give you an eight.
Awesome.
Yeah, I would say like a wait, we can't do sevens with the giving the rating or what?
What's the rate?
Sure, if you want to do it.
I would say like a seven or eight.
And I agree.
I think with time, like when you age and stuff, you're going to be.
Angelica.
I would agree with the ladies.
You're going to be more men get sexier with age.
Oh, probably like right now.
I'm not going to lie, like a four.
You look a little bit like a boy.
Yeah.
So what does that act?
Well, yeah, but you have to, hold on.
So obviously Riley's 21, but you'd have to factor in like, yeah, some of you are older.
So you're going to, your natural inclination is to be attracted to men around your age or older men.
But you have to rate the aesthetics on their own, like on their own, not just your own necessarily personal preferences.
In this case, Riley has pretty strong facial aesthetics.
Maybe his only weak, well, one of his weaknesses, skin clarity, buddy already talked about that.
But I mean, absent the skin clarity, there's a baseline of strong facial aesthetics, strong brows, strong eyes, strong hair, strong facial symmetry.
Perhaps the lower third is on the weaker side.
But otherwise, I think we give Riley, we got to give Riley here.
You got, first of all, some of you who rated him low, he mogs the shit out of me.
Like, honestly, Riley kind of fucking mogs, I think everybody here.
I was going to say that.
That's a little gay.
How would that be gay?
Really gay.
Oh, he's so much better looking than all you women.
He's like, really women are beautiful.
Oh, my God.
Look at his strong future.
I actually agree.
It's a four.
If I were to see, yeah, I think men have assessments of other men, and it's not a homosexual thing.
It's just like, oh, okay, this guy fits into.
Yeah, yeah, this guy fits into like the determination.
It's a looks-maxing PSL.
Well, it's not even looks maxing.
It's just like, okay, how can I, as a man, come to a determination that Brad Pitt, when he was young, is better looking than like Jonah Hill?
Like, that doesn't make me homosexual.
I'm not saying you're actually homosexual.
No, I know, but what are you fucking doing?
What?
Why are you...
Bro, you got fucking butterfingers over there.
That's like the second time you fucking slipped at least that I saw it.
God damn.
Okay.
So.
I'm the only guy.
Can I go around?
You want to rate them?
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, we could.
I feel like you guys have confidence issues.
Subjective Beauty Curves00:02:22
So, I mean, you might be surprised, but I would say, I'm just going to go quick to not make up, to take up too much time, but I would say eight, six, no, no, eight, four, five with three, five, seven, three, nine, five, five, eight.
Oh, you're too generous, right?
Bro, okay, like, you said five is the average, though.
And, like, here's the thing: we're not talking about the average girl that you see in Santa Monica Beach, right?
We're talking about the average girl in at least America, right?
Like, I'm just saying, like, well, yeah, it depends.
Come on.
It does depend a bit about what you mean on average, for example.
I feel like the best way to do it is like, if you're a nine, then you're in the top 10 percentile.
That'd be like the best.
No, not quite.
No, it's like exponentially.
The distribution would be different.
So it wouldn't pretty much be different.
It's more strict.
Yeah, the distribution wouldn't be different.
So, for example, you wouldn't see 10% of women would be nines, 10%.
It wouldn't quite work like that.
You'd see, like, for example, it wouldn't be like 10% nine, skipping down a bit, like 10% six, 10% five, 10%, 4, 10%, 1s.
Like, somebody to be a 1, you almost never see a 10, and then you almost, or like a 9, because there are no 10s.
And it's very rare to see somebody.
Oh, it's a bell curve.
It's very rare to see somebody who's like shockingly ugly.
Yeah, so it's about curve.
It's like basically your, like, really.
Like, we're locked.
Someone has to go.
You're going to see like 50% of people fall into five.
Okay, okay, so a bell curve.
A bell curve.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
And I do notice on those My 600 pound lives, for some reason, those women always have men available and ready to wipe their, you know, what?
Anyways.
I mean, beauty, so beauty, in the strictest philosophical sense, it is subjective, but in terms of assessments of beauty, there are objective measurements that contribute to the subjective assessment of beauty.
So just certain characteristics, like objective measurements.
And it is also the case that, for example, I think it is objectively the case that, say, a majority of people would find agreement on which people are the most attractive.
There would be objectivity there.
Thomas Sowell On Race00:05:54
I have a theory on why women sometimes struggle to answer this question accurately.
I think women specifically, we have a tendency to gauge attraction on like personality and other attributes.
Do they, though?
I think in person, I think dating apps do men a disservice in that regard because dating apps in particular, I think men tend to be more initially attracted visually.
And I think dating apps kind of force women into that paradigm when like women are often attracted to status and stuff like that that aren't purely physical characteristics.
I mean, obviously, physical attraction is still important, but I think like when I think about how, you know, me and other women I know gauge attraction, and if they like a guy, it's often an amalgamation of characteristics that are not just purely physical.
And I think women, when they're asked this question, they have a hard time isolating just the physical attractiveness because we tend to view qualities in a network versus being able to isolate like a train of thought in a particular category.
That's a good idea.
Yeah, I like that.
I tend to agree with that.
We have TTS here from The Unknown Soldier.
The unknown soldier numbers.
First overall, you don't get the call back.
No, I know it's from the poetry reading brain.
I know.
Also, you get 200 characters per TTS.
Numbers start getting really long.
Now do the math.
I know it tickles your autism.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, actually, speaking of, I need to do another champagne pop.
I was going to say another shot.
I do.
We do have to get the champagne pop from the previous.
Who paid for that again?
What's that?
Who paid for the campaign?
I mean, not the campaign.
Oh, Riley hasn't even been drinking.
He's already shattering his words.
My screenplay goes like this.
Oh.
Oh, well, thank you, Gloctavius.
That's beautiful.
I love that.
It's like a black person's laugh.
Wait, what is this?
That's a black person's laugh.
Wait, what do you mean that's a black person?
Riley, I've noticed.
What is this?
I know.
Riley, I've noticed, Riley.
Do you have a way, Riley?
I've noticed a couple comments you've made about black people.
And what's going on there, Riley?
I mean, I'm just stating facts at this point.
There's a bit of a hyperfixation, I would say.
It is.
It does seem a little.
A little rage baiting.
There's also a lot of middle rage baiting.
Whoa, a lot of problems.
Hold on.
I don't agree.
Wait, do you want to clarify what you mean?
Like, there's a problem?
No, but you're not going to say them.
You're not saying black people.
They make a lot of problems.
Wait, well, hold on.
Yeah.
With high crime rates, high rape rates?
Well, I'll.
But are you saying black people are a problem?
No.
Because I disavow that entirely.
Completely disavow.
But they create a lot of problems more than the average American does.
So it's no longer the problem.
There's the American.
I mean, look, if you're looking at crime statistics, there may be overrepresentation.
But I think you could adjust your messaging so as it to not land in such an abrasive, because I think but I never said the words black people are a problem.
I just said there's a big problem in the United States.
It's a lot of people not the right hand.
In a hundred times I have hoped to get the black optics so that they'll rise pink's.
So terrible, I understand, though he was obviously dumped by the black like I think it's okay to be like.
Okay, there's like uh, disproportionate crime statistics.
No no, she's half white, half Asian.
She's the author.
You should read some Thomas Sowell if he has.
Oh, I love, do you have black friends?
Thomas Sowell's awesome.
Um no no, that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, my city's 1% black, but like, just because he's honest, I mean, has there been like, do you have uh racial animus towards black people?
Define that word animus like a sort of negative sentiment towards, or like racial hatred or anything.
Okay, just wanted to clarify that.
Um no, I just like talking about statistics and stuff, but I was just bringing up the laugh thing because that's, but that's been a meme for like a long time.
That's how black people laugh really.
That's yeah like a window.
How would you know you don't have black friends?
I've heard black people laugh.
Where'd you sound?
Like a Windex bottle?
Where did you hear them all over the internet, Riley?
I heard them all over the internet laughing.
We need to split him in, hand up black people laughing and that's what you heard.
The next time Riley brings up black people, we're gonna put him where Hannah is.
Can we make that a rule?
You're just gonna sit him next to me.
Yeah okay, you know what.
Actually, speaking of who gets the jar, I think you should at least pay some reparations to the two women here, just for some of your comments tonight.
To be honest yeah, just come, I don't have cash on me, I don't have.
It'd be fun joining cash out.
I mean, how much?
Were you thinking like 250 250 yeah, what's three fifths of that?
Could we do it?
Could we get a calculator?
Oh my god, can we get a screenshot of this transaction?
You're crazy right, you're crazy.
That's crazy, all right.
So uh here, next topic.
Next topic, the looks rating.
Do we?
Is there anything left we have to do for the looks rating?
I don't think.
So wait, what can I ask why you asked that question?
Uh genuinely, what question, well, how about, before I answer your question, you tell, because you my impression is, you have an objection to the, the question, the an objection to rating people's looks.
Why don't you explain that first?
I really I I totally understand what you're saying and I think that is why it's a hard question.
I really think personality is absolutely crucial to somebody's rating.
Toupees And Makeup00:15:29
You could see the most gorgeous human.
If she is stuck up snobby, like degrading, I just think it takes away from her.
Or vice versa, like you can see a guy that is not very attractive, he could be so kind hilarious, a good provider.
He instantly is higher up in my book.
Yep, that's why I feel like it's like it's kind of like they are coexistent.
So yeah, but what you're doing there is this sort of tricky thing where you're adding qualifiers That may not necessarily exist.
So, you would agree with me that an attractive, like, are all attractive people pieces of shit?
No, I'm not saying that.
Right, so there are some good-looking people who also possess positive characteristics.
I agree.
Now, are those physically attractive people who also possess those good characteristics, are they going to out-compete their less attractive counterparts who also possess an commensurate level of positive characteristics?
Are they going to out-compete them?
Are they going to have better options?
Are they going to have typically better life outcomes?
Are they going to be treated better?
If they're.
Sorry, if they're not.
Okay, so pretty.
I'm essentially trying to get to pretty privilege.
We see this not just when it comes to dating and relationships, but being attractive also confers benefits in life as a whole.
Yeah, I agree.
But you don't have to be a bit more attractive.
In work, you're going to be assessed better.
Even in like criminal cases, if you're good-looking, you're more empathy, I guess, empathetic to the jury.
And they've done studies on this.
Like, better-looking people tend to get less harsh prison sentences.
Women who wear makeup get paid 30% more FYI.
Well, I think we should ban makeup, to be honest.
We should criminalize it.
Why?
It's a crime against humanity.
What if you're fixed up in a dress and like a little makeup and nails on it?
It doesn't look right.
Yeah, so while beards can alter your appearance, beards are not not artificial.
Makeup is completely offshore.
Shape it is artificial.
Well, hold on.
Now we're getting into styling.
That's different than like.
The same thing as makeup.
That is the same.
Well, I actually would argue.
If you do a comb over and you're balding.
If you do a mustache.
Yeah, beards are not.
Beards are not the same as makeup.
I would argue that with beards, they're a reflection of a man's testosterone.
So if he can grow a beard, then that's reflective of good genes.
With makeup, it hides genes.
And I think that although sometimes makeup can be done if you do it under 15 minutes, as Brittany Venti says, it looks good.
But if you take much longer to distort your face, that's very deceptive and manipulative towards anyone who's dating you.
And I personally, if I was a man, I would feel a little bit bamboozled.
Like, I would feel like I can't trust this person.
True.
Brian, would you date someone very?
Does it because someone uses makeup?
What happened?
Just because someone used to make sure that you would not trust them.
Not just because they use makeup.
If you've seen it, the Asians are actually the perfect ones at this.
They change their face to a point where there's lawsuits going on over there.
Who?
Asians, like Koreans and Japanese women.
There's like entire genres.
I do want to be, for the sake of factuality, I'm familiar with what you're talking about.
I do believe there was a hoax related to this.
Now, I do agree that some of these makeups, some of these makeup applications are so, the change is so significant.
But there was a story where like a woman had, maybe it was plastic surgery, she had makeup, and then she was actually super ugly, and then she had kids, and the husband like sued the wife or whatever.
I don't know if you're alluding to that.
No, there's a legal system within those countries in Thailand, too.
So then you're against Cosplay.
No, because Cosplay isn't like displaying.
Yeah, by the way, beards are also genetics.
I was just going to ask, if a girl in the context of dating, like she wears makeup, she makes it clear she's wearing makeup so you don't think, oh, this is actually how she looks.
She shows you what she looks like without wearing makeup.
So you already know like her pure natural face.
Is she still being deceptive and manipulative to you?
Sorry, could you repeat the question?
I was reading something here.
My bad.
I said if a girl in the context of dating, she wears makeup, she lets it be known to you that she is wearing makeup.
So you don't think, oh, like this is actually how she looks.
She shows you what she looks like without makeup, so you have that information clear as well.
Is she still being deceptive and manipulative?
Yes, actually, to a degree.
Now, first off, most women are not like on.
Well, we could apply this to dating apps, for example.
Oftentimes on dating apps, and they employ filters too, which is another level of deception.
A lot of times on dating apps, women will not, for example, include a photo of them without makeup.
Even in that context where they have the ability to do it, and perhaps where they should, they won't include a photo of them completely barefaced.
Your scenario is completely hypothetical.
I've never had a woman show up on a date with a face of makeup and be and like volunteer, hey, Brian, here's a photo of me without makeup, just so you know what you're getting into.
Women don't really do that.
So from a practical perspective, no.
But I think the difference is, and also you would agree with me that even if a woman doesn't disclose that she's wearing makeup or doesn't show me a photo of her without makeup, that I could just on my own, like I'm looking at you, you're wearing makeup.
I can tell that you're wearing makeup.
Right.
I think the issue here is that even though I'm aware that you're married, that you're wearing makeup, the increase in assessment, the increase in the assessment of your attractiveness is not diminished by simple virtue of my awareness or consciousness or knowledge that you are wearing makeup.
It's your perceived attractiveness is still the same.
So even with disclosure.
Do you think that applies to you or to everyone?
I'm just curious.
I think it would.
Because a lot of guys actually don't really care if a girl's wearing makeup.
Most people are also.
What do you mean guys don't care that women are wearing makeup?
I would just say there's like a lot of guys like I've come across that find me attractive, just like despite.
So yes, it can be.
For example, like my, like my roommate she wears makeup, right.
Um, like her guy has like told her like oh, you're beautiful either way, you don't need it.
But like oh, your makeup looks really good, like he likes that.
Uh so yeah, I mean, a man can still be attracted to a woman with makeup and then without makeup, or just like he doesn't care about the fact she wears makeup.
It's like okay, you let me cool.
A lot of guys don't.
Actually, there's not a.
I'm not denying that a man can remain attracted to a woman uh, even without her makeup.
He could still.
Even if he had never seen her with makeup, he would have still found her attractive.
I guess that's not really what i'm getting at, but you would agree well, maybe you wouldn't that there is a component of well one, I guess.
Why would you wear it if it didn't have a palpable increase in your perceived attractiveness?
Why would women?
If it didn't actually make women look better, why the fuck would they wear it?
It does make them look better okay, so they're.
That's not how they actually look, though you'd agree with that.
They don't look like that naturally correct if they're okay.
So deceptive to a degree, is it?
I think to say deceptive means like you're, like you're lying and you're not being honest and you're hiding something.
I could sit here and say, I look different without makeup.
This is how I look with makeup.
This is how I look without makeup.
If you're covering something up, you kind of are hiding it, though.
So the literature thing, are you watching wearing clothes because you're covering up your body?
Like what's going on?
Like no, what kind of a trans person you are.
Can I ask Brian a question?
Brian, are you attracted to a woman who has hairy legs and hairy armpits?
Because you earlier you said that hair.
This is a false equivalent.
It's not because you said hair is natural and your beard is natural and so it doesn't change anything.
Well, armpit hair is natural to women and so is hairy legs.
Yeah, grooming.
So grooming is grooming is a beard.
Yeah, grooming is different than uh, an artificial application of uh paint, essentially.
So it's a false equivalent.
Uh, it's a false equivalence.
But I mean i'll answer your question.
Yeah, I do prefer women who are shaved, who don't have hairy armpits, who don't have hairy legs and just generally, I think I.
I mean I would state that men generally prefer women who have less hair than more hair, like if we're talking about body feminine.
So you do like some altercations or an altercation, Yeah, but that's it's not it's a false equivalent, so my argument is not about making alterations.
Obviously, people make alterations.
My argument specifically relates to the implementation of makeup.
Hold on, Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships, man.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
W's and Chef for Robert Tanner.
We're going to still pop the champagne bottle.
I haven't forgotten.
Yeah, so, sorry, could you repeat your question?
Just do you find women with natural armpit hair and hairy legs?
No, I prefer women who shave their legs and who groom and who don't have armpit hair.
Okay, I wouldn't say that.
I don't think these two.
Well, hold on, but these two things, I don't think these two positions are contradictory.
So you can have an objection, or maybe not an objection, but you can have a preference towards body hair grooming, but also find an objection to makeup usage or excessive makeup usage.
I would also argue that when it comes to the makeup industry, it's predominantly like women and gay men.
Like straight men are not interested in the makeup industry whatsoever.
So it's like natural that they're not going to appreciate that in a dating context.
They would rather have the more honest, raw-looking you because that's what they're interested in knowing unless they have ulterior motives for you, then they don't care.
Most men I find actually prefer no makeup.
Yeah.
And I prefer on this day I don't wear makeup.
Also, I wanted to ask every day.
If a five out of ten wears makeup, is she still truly a five out of ten?
Yes.
I think makeup can also make you look not good.
But I wanted to ask her: if a five out of ten woman wears makeup, is she still truly a five out of ten?
Like, okay, so is she a five out of ten without makeup?
No, but like if she wears makeup, she's still truly a five out of ten, right?
I just give her the same rating, honestly.
Like a five out of ten?
Yeah.
But a chick with a dick is not a guy.
What are we talking about right now?
Like what's the subject?
So you're saying a five out of ten who wears makeup, yeah, they're still a five out of ten.
But then a chick with the dick, they're awesome.
Well, if she wears makeup, actually, I would, I'll take what I said back.
If she wears makeup, then maybe it makes her look more attractive.
But is she still truly a five out of ten?
Like deep down inside.
I would just average the two ratings.
She might average the two ratings.
But I mean, like, truly, though.
We mean deep down inside.
We're talking about looks.
Like, we.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
But beneath the makeup, she's still a five out of ten, right?
If we're talking naturally, she's a five out of ten with the makeup.
She's like, again, when it comes to aesthetics, I think like the way I would rate aesthetics has to also do with like how you choose to present yourself and like how you choose to dress, like how you choose to style yourself, carry yourself, all that.
And that's not personality.
Okay.
I think you got to be crazy good at makeup to truly alter your appearance.
A lot of people.
Except for like skin clarity, like with just the general foundation, that's like the only thing you can really change without being crazy good at makeup.
I mean, even contouring, you can tell their face shape if you just look at them.
It's only like by the glance of the eye, like a quick second that it alters your appearance truly.
So even if you're aware that a woman's wearing makeup, it's still like the impact it has is to some degree on like your first knee-jerk impression reaction.
It is still going to have like this sort of subconscious impact on your level of attraction to them.
So even if you're aware, like it's still.
Do you mean whether it's positive or negative?
So if a guy's wearing really good toupee attraction is that manipulative if a guy's wearing a really good toupee that's manipulative.
Yeah.
So I mean.
And he once had hair and then he fully balded and he got a really, really good toupee.
That looks completely different.
I would say, so I mean, he's, I think a lot of women would prefer a man who had a natural full head of hair than a man who wore a toupee.
If women wear makeup and they truly do not care if another woman's wearing makeup, why would they care if a guy wore a toupee?
Well, that's the funny thing.
People have double standards.
I can almost guarantee you that women who regularly employ makeup usage would many of them would probably have some, I don't know if it would be an outright objection, but they would be more attracted to the guy who has a full natural head of hair than the guy who has a toupee.
So then you're also implying that makeup isn't a part of social grooming.
I would actually argue on this point: if a man has a toupee and it's discovered he has a toupee, you would fundamentally, as a woman, start to question his entire integrity.
Same thing if you were to do other modifications.
But I know he has toupee.
I've seen it.
Not if it's good.
Like, let's say, for example, he fooled you.
He has hair, but you don't have my example.
We fully know, just like we fully know that you're wearing makeup.
When it comes, wait, lay out your position again.
Sorry.
We know that we're aware that you're wearing makeup.
You've told us we've wearing makeup.
We've seen you without wearing makeup.
We've seen you without the toupee.
So we are fully aware.
We're both a grown adults.
We know everything that's going on.
I mean, that would be a compromising of standards at that point where it's just kind of like, yeah, I'm cool with this, but a lot of people on average would not be cool with dating and violence wearing the toupee.
It's just me and you.
I mean, correct, yes, but we're talking about like generalizations.
We're talking about the average.
I personally would not be okay with a guy with a toupee.
I'd rather he be bald because it's great.
Go bald.
Yeah.
The wig is a little creepy.
Everyone looks better.
There are some bald daddies out there.
What's that one?
The Norland?
It's like that balding pattern.
Yeah, now I do have.
If you're balding, just get rid of all the hair.
Just let it go, bro.
Whatever makes you happy makes you happy, though.
What about this?
So let's say that.
Let's say that makeup exists on a spectrum, on a scale.
Of course, you'll have women who have like they put a bit of eyeliner on, and that's it.
Pretty minimal, a bit of mascara on, that's it.
Then like you can go a little further all the way to like their fucking putting clay on their face and their full glam.
That's a bit further down on the scale.
But what about this?
I could see in the future that with some like advanced technology like nano robots or something, this could be employed for both men and women.
What if there's some like futuristic micro nano robots and like millions or hundreds of thousands of robots that could maneuver on your face and that you could like customize in an app and it would cover your face and it would you could essentially have them fit over your face and it could slightly change your appearance.
Maybe you have a bit of a weak jaw, improves it there.
Or it could even basically completely change your face or keep some elements of your face but like improve the flaws, maybe your nose, maybe your, you know, whatever it is to make you more attractive.
You know, like the Las Vegas sphere, I guess, kind of like that.
Let's say it could change a man's face to go from a five to a nine.
Would any of you have an issue with that?
Yeah.
Do you think it would be deceptive?
I think the scale of change is way above makeup in your face.
But I think that so, but you are you willing to grant that makeup exists on a scale of deception?
A scale of change.
Again, I still wouldn't use the word deception.
But so, okay, what would actually be?
But if it's the case, so what you're putting on your face, it's atoms, it's particles.
Plastic Surgery Deception00:14:22
You're putting them on your face to change sometimes the shape, the contouring, change certain features.
What would be different between actual just like putting paint on your face and nano robots?
Hold on, nano robots that could assemble on your face and give you like stronger jawline.
And maybe you're not like a completely different person, but it substantially increases your attractiveness.
How could you actually object to it?
Right.
So you said this changes someone from like a five to a nine.
Like it changes your whole shape of your jaw.
But again, like someone said earlier, if you still look at someone's jaw with contour on, you can see the face of their shape.
But I don't believe makeup is bringing anyone from a five to that medium.
So I think makeup can bring a five to a seven, five to an eight.
Maybe a nine is a bit of a stretch, but makeup can definitely have makeup can have this impact.
Your draw to the woman would either not be nearly as strong if you saw her barefaced, or you might not even be attracted to her, period.
To introduce a feminist argument, it's like, why exactly would you be supporting an industry that sells insecurities to women to profit off of those insecurities and sell them cosmetics?
Why are you contouring your face?
You don't have the right bone structure.
Why are you shaping your eyes?
It's so enhanced.
Because it's fun.
It's a warm up.
Well, it's not that deep.
It's fun to like do makeup out meaning that we then have to cover it up.
Sometimes it's just like, oh, I just feel like better.
I actually don't want to feel better.
Why do you feel insecure?
It's fun.
If it's fun, it's always about things that are fun.
Why exactly are you changing your appearance?
I mean, that's fun.
That's fun.
That's creative.
When it comes to making it look natural, and that's fun too.
But when it comes to actually making it look natural, there's insecurities there that we're trying to hide.
Hence, why people get fake eyelashes.
They think that their eyelashes aren't long enough.
Why are you spending so much money?
Because women spend like hundreds of dollars a month on average on makeup.
Why are you spending so much money to cover up insecurities?
Why can't you embrace your natural face?
Brian is more of a feminist and a woman lover than a lot of the women on this panel.
I know.
Are you a feminist?
A girl is too familiar.
I'm a feminist on the labia issue, I guess.
A girl can like completely love her natural face and go out with her natural face and the next day choose to put on makeup and still like that sounds like really manipulative language.
Why would you change something that you love?
Can I change a man that you love?
That's like another house because you want to make sure that you get an answer.
That doesn't make any sense.
You can change lots of things that you love.
I did not get an answer on my nano-robot face morph thing.
Great question.
So would do you guys think that that would be deceptive going around the table?
Just yes or yes or no, I guess?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't think it would be compared to makeup.
It's different than makeup, but it's achieving the same.
Well, so it's plastic.
You said a larger scale of change, declaration.
Plastic surgery has nothing to do with makeup.
But so, okay, I mean, that, sure, plastic surgery is a different component of this.
They can change the murder.
But women also regularly employ the usage of plastic surgery to make them more attractive than they otherwise naturally are.
Men do.
And maybe there's some women here who have show of hands who has lip filler.
I've had lip filler in my life.
Have you had lip filler?
Lip filler?
Lip filler?
I want it now after you're waiting.
LeBron, what are you causing?
Insecurities.
Well, yeah, but I mean, maybe you've had.
Anyone's had Botox?
I've had Botox.
Botox?
Anyone have fake titties?
Fake titties?
I didn't have titties.
Maybe as maybe.
Fake lady.
I don't know.
I think.
It's not fake.
Yeah.
I just trimmed it.
I think, you know, like, what would actually be wrong with a guy buying some nano-robots?
Just say makeup at that point.
Like, you know, like, male makeup exists for like male models or whatever.
Like, and actors.
What straight man wants to make sure that you're not?
Also, that's your prerogative.
What straight man wants to do?
Why would a man want to alter their appearance?
Wait, wait, wait.
Here, can you not put your arms on the table?
Because you're kind of blocking her out of the way.
I just don't understand why a straight man would want to alter their appearance or get plastic surgery.
Like, I feel like that's like maybe a gay man thing or an actor type of thing.
Like a reason to be on television, you know?
Well, you raised two very good points.
So, as far as makeup goes, it's not socially acceptable for straight men to wear makeup.
Unless you're an actor.
Maybe very, very liberal or like alt-punk women might be okay with it, but I'd say for 90% of women, it's not going to be acceptable for their frequently asked everyone.
Even liberal.
I mean, we could go around the table.
Like, is it your, how do we frame it?
Like, is it your preference to would you be attracted to a guy who wears makeup?
No.
Okay.
No.
Anybody?
I don't know any yeses.
And then your point on plastic surgery, I would argue that men getting plastic surgery in a similar vein is in terms of assessments from women.
While I think a lot of I personally don't like plastic surgery in women, I think it is generally more socially acceptable for women to get plastic surgery.
The procedures that are available to them are more socially acceptable.
There really isn't much that men can do plastic surgery-wise.
I mean, there's some face stuff, but I don't know.
So, do you think that's the real issue?
It's the fact that men can't do it and it's not socially acceptable.
I mean, I'm against plastic surgery, period.
So, I mean, my prescription here is not, oh, we should make it socially acceptable for men to get plastic surgery.
We should just, well, it's not jealousy.
We should just be against plastic surgery across the board for both men and women.
I personally think it looks weird no matter which way.
What if that's an injury?
Surgery was originally made for war victims.
Exactly that.
You tilt your mic so it's like pointing towards you.
There's a difference between the two.
So, what was your moment?
I was saying, I think no matter which way you do plastic surgery, it looks weird and unnatural.
Like, even if you weren't that attractive and then you wanted to fix something about your face, I feel like it almost makes a person look worse.
Like, it was originally made for war victims.
Like, why are we doing this to ourselves?
It just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, I mean, just to be clear on the plastic surgery thing, of course, people who have actual, you know, either injuries or deformities, I do make some exemptions for plastic surgery where they are more, they're not purely for vain cosmetic reasons.
They're like either correcting something or you have like half your face was fucking blown off with a fucking, I don't know, grenade or some shit.
But yeah, you are, the origination of plastic surgery was to correct like men who were in war.
Yeah, like if women have breast cancer, then maybe I would want to shut my builds back.
I think I'm okay with that.
But what about the question of vanity?
Like, why exactly aren't women normalizing plastic surgery for vanity, makeup for vanity?
If it's not socially expensive for men, why is it only a moment?
I never thought any of this was normal.
I think the Kardashians made it mainstream.
Yeah, as a heavy makeup wearer, can I jump in on this really quick?
I'd actually be okay with banning the nanotech, the plastic surgery, and the makeup and all cosmetics because then it levels the playing field.
And then I'd be totally cool.
I'll give it all up.
Well, that's what you feel like.
I think you two wear makeup to attract the type that you guys are, like personality genre, like why is attracted to.
Other women wear makeup so as to appeal to men that they want to like be attracted to.
It all comes down to male attraction.
That's what makeup is rooted is.
It does eventually become like, I enjoy doing it.
It can be soothing actually for me to put it on.
But at the very root of like why makeup is a thing, it's because of you know wanting to be attractive to men.
We need to go to the root of it.
If it's something that makes you, if you we all admit that plastic surgery makes you look worse and that there's an effect that makeup at its obvious points can make you look worse and you could probably look better without it, then it's not for male attraction.
It's legitimately, I can see where it started off.
Yeah, and I said that that's a good idea.
We need to go to the root of it, and that's that men find women attractive.
Like the reason why it's so important for men to find women physically attractive is because it shows that the woman is healthy because they have a higher chance of carrying a successful pregnancy.
When it comes to eyebrows, for example, if you have really, really thin eyebrows, there's a higher likelihood that you were deprived of nutrients as a child.
If you have thicker eyebrows, it shows that you were raised in a household that was able to properly give you food, which shows that you probably come from a richer family, which will probably lead to more prosperous children.
It's all about reproduction.
Women don't care about looks because they care about a guy who can provide.
Now, sometimes that ties into looks because it's like, oh, he's a hunter-gatherer.
He can kill a pig himself.
But like, the reason why men care about a woman's look so much is because it shows that she's healthy.
So that's why makeup is deceptive, deceptive, because it shows that she has good genetics or maybe is more healthy than she is when she really isn't that healthy.
Which goes to the bottom of the corner.
Well, then why don't y'all just date women that don't wear makeup?
Because y'all are so against it.
But my girlfriends wear makeup.
My girlfriend does not wear makeup.
That's you like pictures with women who have makeup.
Like, I'm not seeing the complete opposite when y'all say y'all don't like women in your rated rated women that wear makeup.
I would reverse engineer that argument.
The men who only like women that have plastic surgery and makeup are not typically men that women find attractive because they're seen as superficial, dumb, and easy to fool.
So it's kind of like we wouldn't be attracted to a man who wants us all dolled up looking like a sex doll.
So then why would we turn ourselves into something artificial?
Can I say this too?
And I think maybe most of the table might agree with me.
Society as a whole, like half the table just told Riley he'll be more attractive when he's older.
Men get older and women are like, wow, he's more attractive, like Silver Fox Daddy, whatever.
I feel like society has pressure on women.
We have one wrinkle and then we feel like we need to get some Botox, whatever, because there's a big societal.
It's because women with wrinkles are infertile, most likely.
That is why.
That is why men.
That is why men don't find that.
No, but we don't know.
That is the actual reason why men don't find women with wrinkles attractive or at least as attractive as a woman without.
It shows that they are of higher age, which means that they're less fertile.
It's not baby soft.
It's because most men don't make sense.
Well, that's why we feel the pressure.
That's why we feel the pressure to look, to make ourselves look a self-control.
Yeah, only women look younger.
It's more socially acceptable for men to look raggedy, have gray hair.
It's cool.
Well, because a man who's 55 can easily provide for a family.
Once again, I'm going to introduce a feminist argument on what do we mean.
If we lived in a well-functioning society where youth was not marketable and capitalist prone or whatever, women would age gracefully and be matrons within our society, giving younger women good advice within marriages that they can then impart to make the society even better.
The only reason women now are feeling compelled to look younger is because that's the only value in women nowadays in this society.
But before, there used to be a tremendous amount of value in women who are older guiding the younger generations.
Hence, the whole idea of a grandmother imparting her skills, cooking, sewing, all of that jazz, being strong, being able to hold on the four.
Nowadays, women's only value is the physical because we've stripped society away from any family values, from any sense of traditional, cultural, whatever.
So it's like you're basically destroying your face, not because you're trying to cater to men, but it's because you don't have a man that makes you feel stable or grounded yet.
And that's a product of how dysfunctional our society is.
So we're wearing makeup because we don't have man that's not into the mind.
I also say, do you wear makeup for your man at home?
I do.
Sometimes, yeah.
That's different.
You wear makeup for a different reason.
You do it for a cultural sort of like.
My husband likes me.
He likes me both ways.
Nice.
Nice.
Can we also ask the question?
When I went out all over Europe, the women over there were very natural.
And the men over the, when I would run into.
They're not fat.
When I would run into.
Well, I'm just saying they didn't wear makeup.
They didn't, like, I had pink toe nails.
They didn't, they didn't, they weren't into doing the nails thing.
It was also a very like, I don't want to say Americanized, but it's a cultural thing, too.
They're a homogenous nation that basically has prioritized their heritage.
They know what a French woman looks like.
They know what an Italian woman looks like.
They're more like natural, beauty, exact bodies.
Exactly.
When it comes to American women, especially in the 20th century when their culture has been ripped from them for the sake of like the post-World War II boom, all of our appearance post-1950s has been like commercial, dull, marketable, like look like this, look like that.
When before in the 1800s, it was valued that you were a strong, sturdy woman who wore no makeup, who was going to be resourceful, loving, caring.
Your character traits were what was emphasized because makeup wasn't a factor.
Beauty, vanity was not a value system in a society like that.
Like if you go to Paris, they don't really wear makeup.
Look at beauty and so have character traits though.
Yeah, just man.
But it's like, why would you hide your beauty behind the makeup, though?
Because oftentimes women are actually way more beautiful when they don't wear makeup because their natural features are shining.
Even if they're older, their natural features, their life or whatever, is imprinted on their face.
To you.
To everyone.
That's it.
To everyone.
Yeah.
You what?
To you.
To you because you judge women falsely.
To you because you judge women artificially.
You're not affected by the people.
I just think make women look for everyone better.
I judge women apply some standard of their natural beauty.
They are beautiful without any money invested.
They are beautiful for their natural beauty.
Are you wearing makeup right now?
A little bit of eyeliner.
Oh my gosh.
That's so deceptive of you.
But anyway, what I was going to say is.
You have no eyebrows.
What are you talking about?
No, no, no.
We're not going to criticize it.
No.
Not enough nutrients as a kid.
What did you say?
Not saying not enough nutrients as a kid.
Okay.
No, what I was going to say is I just personally think if makeup is applied correctly on every woman, it does make it.
It's supposed to enhance.
It's not supposed to take away.
That's the purpose typically of makeup, to enhance your features.
But what I'm arguing is, why are you enhancing it?
You are naturally beautiful.
Why not?
Because, number one, the financial incentive.
This is from Utah.
I'm out of town in Delaware.
I live in Utah.
No, I just, because I like it.
So my eyebrows are looking more visible on camera than hers.
It's not going to lie.
No one cares.
At the end of the day, we started that.
She started that.
When it comes to a financial incentive, once again, there's an entire industry targeting women to give them insecurity since they're little girls to get makeup.
Like that one elephant makeup pack that was being marketed to girls under 10 years old.
That's where it starts.
Why exactly do you think women are basically blaming men for having high beauty standards when in reality, a guy would pretty much data five without makeup with no problem?
It's women who are judging themselves too harshly and they're allowing actually gay men to dictate beauty standards for them.
Including the Ozempic is allowing the means of fat removal.
Everything.
Do I have a Ozempic face?
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No, actually your look.
Well, your look actually looks like Landal Durade to me.
So it's like Brian.
Can we do a shot?
Or not a shot?
I need a shot.
Yeah, please Brian the champagne.
Who donated that?
Taylor?
Yeah, Robert Tanner.
I don't know.
I just feel like if makeup was banned, it just wouldn't bother me.
We needed to be able to do that.
Once again, you're gorgeous.
Yeah, yeah.
Stop, stop, stop.
So somebody here has pronouns or something.
Who's that?
Is that you?
Are you the pronoun?
No.
She's in the bathroom.
Fuck.
Okay.
I'll have to.
Does anybody here have like protection?
Well, we all have pronouns.
Incorrect.
Don't worry about it.
Robert Tanner needs to realize that $1,000 investment will get you buzzed, but like a $4,000 investment would just get Brian wasted.
Like that's so lightweight.
That's so much better.
I am a lightweight.
Literally, three sips.
I'm fucking.
Four times the cost, just 100 times better.
But I kind of derailed a bit from your question, so I brought it into makeup.
Your question, what is the purpose of the looks rating thing?
Okay, so did you get into your objections?
No, I'm just genuinely curious.
Like, is it because you're like, what is the purpose of looks rating in general or asking it on the podcast?
Yeah.
Yeah, so I think that, so my position is I think that not all women, but a good amount of them typically have an inaccurate self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness.
And typically women tend to overappraise their attractiveness.
They tend to overrate themselves.
And whether they genuinely believe that or not, I suppose is up for debate.
But I think it speaks to a bit of the, there's ego, there's pride, there's hubris that on its own I find kind of unappealing, sort of like not, it's not even like an attraction thing.
I just, I genuinely, generally find hubris and pride kind of poor characteristics.
I think modesty, humbleness, I think those sort of traits ought to be cultivated more than just excessive pride and that.
But I think the big thing is one of the reasons I ask it is, well, I don't know if it's necessarily a reason I ask it, but I can tell you what the implication is for the dating landscape when you have not just the women who come on the show, but I would argue if you go out in public and ask women, you know, how do you assess your attractiveness, there's a degree of delusion.
I think a lot of women think they're more attractive than they actually are.
And so, and part of this is because, since very young, you know, you get the, what is it, the trophy?
What is the thing with the participation trophy?
The, you women are princesses and you're all amazing and you need to, oh my God, the world, you deserve the world.
And it's like, that's this very Disney thing where all these women think that they're Disney princesses, but the reality is, or they're kings, or not kings, excuse me, women think they're queens and princesses.
Realistically, if we're going to use like royalty, I think most women at best are court jesters.
Like, you're not a queen, you're not royalty, you're a peasant.
I think you're falling out.
You're all peasants.
I'm a peasant.
We're not special snowflakes.
We're all fucking.
Most people are just fucking average.
And so the reality is, though, I think a lot of women overappraise themselves.
They overrate themselves.
And so how's that going to play out in the dating landscape?
If you think you are more attractive than you actually are, you're going to start aiming for men outside of your league.
And then that's, here's what's going to happen.
Well, there's a whole bunch of shit that's going to happen.
One, the men who are actually on your level, you're settling for them.
That's fucking, it's terrible for the men.
It's terrible for you.
So if a bunch of women find, like, for example, most women, well, I'd say average looking women want to date above average men.
And it's about 50-50.
I would argue you see a lot more men that are less attractive with like solid eight, nine, tens.
Yeah.
Well, hold on.
But that's because women are really generous with their assessment and ratings of their own and other women's attractiveness and really harsh judges, really harsh judges of men's attractiveness.
So this idea that like, I'll grant to you that sometimes you'll see, by the way, it goes both ways.
You'll see like a really hot girl with like a, you know, she mogs him.
She's better looking than him.
You also see the reverse too.
However, I do think it's the case that if women rate other women higher and are harsh with their ratings towards men, then like this, you saying that, well, I see really good looking women with like ugly men.
I mean, okay, that's just because you're...
No, that's because I'm saying I think we come back to more character.
Like that's what I was trying to say.
Even if I said earlier, I also think insecure women tend to date down than dating up.
Okay, but so my, I guess my, my point is, is that women are going to be chasing after a caliber of man.
If they genuinely believe, okay, I'm this, I'm this attractive, they're going to be chasing after a caliber of man that might give them sex, but isn't going to give them a relationship, marriage, a ring, et cetera.
Because there's a difference that occurs when it comes to dating.
I think for not all men, right?
Not all men.
But I think men, how do I frame this the best?
Men will sleep with a woman that he would never, just on her looks alone, men will sleep with a woman that he would never be in a relationship with.
He's just using her for sex.
But he's like, he'll go down.
He'll date down, essentially, sleep down.
And so because this is a phenomenon, you can have a woman who's a five, a six, or a seven.
She can go fuck like a guy who's more attractive than her.
She can go sleep with him.
And like a woman, you just got to be pleasant and offer sex.
That's it.
And when I say pleasant, it's just like, don't be a fucking psycho crazy bitch.
Just be like pleasant.
Excuse me, sir, want some pussy?
I mean, not literally, but like.
That's all it takes for you as women.
Not all like hyper attractive men are going to bite on that.
But like on Tinder, on dating apps, you see the attention go to the top 10% of men on the dating apps.
Meanwhile, like the rest are fighting over scraps and pretty much just like completely zeroed out.
And so let me just finish.
And so if women are not realistic about their own attractiveness, they're going to reject men who are actually their league, their equivalent, and they're going to be sleeping with, pursuing, attempting to date really attractive men.
Now, this doesn't play out for all women, but I would say that's pretty much one of the big issues that I see.
And then as a woman, once you've had a taste of like a really attractive guy, you can't go back.
Like there's no going back.
And if you do, you're going to feel resentful.
Like you're going to have resentment for your looks league.
Well, not even your looks league.
You're going to have resentment for your league.
Yeah, yeah, you're going to have resentment.
And that's why these women, they fuck around in their 20s.
They get married at 30.
And then they get married to Joe Schmo because he's the only guy who will give her commitment.
Meanwhile, she spent her fucking 20s chasing after hot dudes and just getting ran through by fucking Chad.
And then the dick was better.
He was more attractive.
He was more psychologically and sexually stimulating because more attractive.
And then you're going to maybe pump out one or two kids.
And then I'm bored.
I'm bored.
I'm bored.
He doesn't stimulate me.
He's not attractive.
You're going to divorce him within a couple of years.
You're going to break up the entire family when that's actually your looks league.
I would reverse engineer the argument and say that except for the cases of girls who are very insecure.
So they're not really, they're dysfunctional to the mainstream society and girls who rebel against the norms, which I take that you are, typically women are in the red pill sphere, hypergamous.
So women usually will focus on a man's social status way more than his physical attributes, which is what I was going to say.
Yeah, I feel like you're putting it all on attraction when I'm like, for me, a little bit of a moment.
It's part of it.
How is he as a dad?
How is he successful?
Is he driven?
Like, there's more than just I don't know.
I don't think for a while.
And what if they were a woman?
I really don't care about looks, to be honest.
I don't either.
I don't care about looks.
I really don't say anything.
They don't care about looks or fucking.
I care about looks about chemistry and attraction, but there are other things that will add to that.
Yeah, I think.
But that's not my, my argument isn't women only care about looks.
No, I know I'm curious.
Women care about looks and then like a fuck ton of other things too.
And you guys will figure them out.
I totally agree.
Men should care about other things.
Women don't care about looks as much.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Yeah, exactly.
I think we are way less superficial.
I do.
I kind of disagree with this.
I actually think women claim to them.
No way superficial.
No, no way.
I'm now.
Yes.
I side with Brian on this one.
So here's my argument.
Now, I do think it is the case that, for example, men can make up for their lack of looks through other means.
So like if he's really confident or he's really funny or if he has status or if he's a professional athlete or he's bringing his personality, whatever.
But like very few men actually reach like those high levels where like they will overcome their deficit in their looks.
Like very few.
Like how many men are like that level of funny?
How many men?
How many men are that rich?
How many men are that famous?
How many men have that amount of status?
How many men are hyper successful?
Could I give you an example real quick?
I'll just finish my point, but absolutely.
So I think, for example, in terms of my position that I think women care more about looks, I think that of the things that when it comes to looks, women care about, those tend to be things that are completely outside the man's control.
So height, hair, which, look, if a guy's balding, he can't like...
Please don't let me go, but like he can't really control that.
Obviously, there's intervention, like he could do, there's drugs, he could get hair transplants, but absent intervention to that degree, if a guy's balding, like can't really control it.
Height, penis size, men can't control this thing.
Men cannot control these things.
And these are things, physical traits that women care about.
Whereas like for men, like, yeah, men like big boobs, you can't, as a woman, you can't really control that.
Men like big butts, nice butt, which you can, you can get through working out.
But overall, it's like, just don't be fat.
For men, it's mostly just don't be fat, which women can control, but height, hair, and penis size, men can't control that.
Women care a fuck ton about height.
Men can't control hair?
No.
Like if a guy's balding.
Oh, I see, I see.
Like he can't, like, yeah, he can get surgery or whatever, but.
I don't think penis size matters, though.
Well, I would argue that.
That's fine for you.
Can I point out that?
I would argue it matters for talking about the average.
I would also argue that when it comes to looks, everyone cares about looks because if you're attracted to someone, that's the baseline of you initiating a relationship with them.
But when it comes to women, if a man is not attractive to them, they'll be nice to them at first, but if he insists, it starts to feel dangerous when he's unattractive.
Men don't have that same complex.
So women really, I think, actually do value looks more than men only because if a man is unattractive and insists, you're scared of him.
Meanwhile, if a woman is unattractive and she insists with a man, as Brian said, they might just end up using them for sex.
No, you have women all the time that are like, I was not even attracted to this guy from the beginning.