Brian Atlas hosts a panel of five women debating modern dating etiquette, specifically whether men should pay when women date multiple people simultaneously. The conversation escalates into critiques of feminism, immigration policies, and military conscription, with the host arguing for equitable duties despite biological differences. Guests discuss sex work ethics, physical archetypes like labia size, and the impact of pornography on relationships, ultimately challenging traditional gender roles while defending conservative values against accusations of misogyny. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kickboxing Debut and Business Ventures00:05:29
Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
I am very sorry that we, this is perhaps one of the latest we've ever started.
Sorry for the delay.
Some people were running behind, so it necessitated us starting a bit late.
We're going to just, because of the delay, we're going to just jump right into the introduction.
So please go ahead and introduce yourselves.
Yes, my name is Greta.
I'm 22 years old.
I live currently in Austin, Texas.
I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics and I was working in tech sales, but right now I'm trying to pursue content full time.
All right.
And so you were in college?
Yeah, I graduated really early.
I graduated when I was 19.
Okay.
Really quick, one thing for the viewers.
For the viewers, were you guys able to hear her okay?
We're going with it.
Her mic's a little low.
I'm assuming you guys could hear her just fine, but in the chat, if you can send a message, Comparatively, does her audio sound okay as you're listening to the subsequent people introducing themselves?
If not, I'll adjust it, but I'm sure I'm thinking the audio is probably just fine.
What about you?
My name is Ivy.
I'm 27.
I do OnlyFans and I go to school for cybersecurity, and I currently live in Texas.
All right.
And cybersecurity, are you getting your associate's, your bachelor's degree?
I'm working on my associate's right now.
Okay, got it.
And sorry, you said you're from where again?
I'm from New Mexico, but I live in Texas.
New Mexico.
And you have some New Mexico tattoos, like on your arm.
Yeah, I have a Zia symbol.
Okay.
Right here.
Are you Native American?
I'm indigenous.
So I'm part Native American, but I'm mostly Mesoamerican.
Okay.
Do you know what tribe?
Comanche.
Comanche, okay.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Jasmine.
I am 27 years old, currently living in Denver, but originally from Southern California, where I do bottle service and I'm a mixed martial artist.
All right, any college education, anything like that?
A little bit of college.
I have a real estate license, but that's about it.
Okay, and you do MMA?
I do.
So you train jiu jitsu, you train kickboxing, Muay Thai?
All of it.
So I have a pretty proficient background in grappling and jiu jitsu.
I competed a little bit in kickboxing, and we're working on an MMA debut this year.
So, professional fight?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you have the date yet or no?
No, we had a few fights pull out, so we're still working on a date and a matchup.
Okay, all right.
What belt are you in jujitsu?
So, right now, just a blue belt.
Blue belt.
Yeah, competitive blue belt.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Zarina Dreams, and I'm from mainly Hong Kong in the U.S.
And my business well, I have Zarina Nation and Zarinadreams.com, which I'm working on doing some more adult entertainment and some more projects like that.
And I also own a few businesses.
I hold my PhD in intercultural communication.
And I have my master's also.
Okay.
Your master's in what?
In social business, MBA.
Age?
I'm over 60.
Over 60.
Yeah.
Would you like to specify?
Over.
Pushing 65.
Pushing.
I don't like to put.
Does pushing 65 mean you're above 65 or below?
I'm pushing, that means going towards.
So 64 in the half.
I'm starting to push, so.
You're pushing.
Okay, I'm gonna write 64.
Can we say 72 then and make it easy?
If you want to be 72, you can identify.
I guess anyone can identify.
Yeah, it's great being able to identify.
I identify as a black woman, so yeah, so sometimes a Chinese woman, too.
Okay.
So you are, and your occupation?
Occupation is entrepreneur, is the easiest way to put it.
Okay.
Several businesses.
But you've been involved in the adult industry, is that correct?
Yes.
Proud of it too.
And you featured frequently on Howard Stern's show in the 90s and the 2000s, is that correct?
Yes, yeah.
Up to the 2000s when he changed his to a new studio.
Howard and I used to work together on his TV show.
It's the Caucus Nine.
Shout out to you guys.
Been a long time.
Missed those days.
It was great, yeah.
Did the Sally Jessie Raphael, did a bunch of talk shows, all that fun stuff.
Gotcha.
And you also used to shoot porn, is that correct?
I've done a few, yes.
Okay.
When you say a few.
It's really interesting in the industry.
You think somebody that has done like all these different films, I could be in 50 of them right now, which I think I am, but it's the same scenes over and over again throughout the years.
Okay.
Because being over 60 gives me a few decades to play with there, and they're still coming out with new stuff.
Okay.
All right.
Do you still shoot or no?
Islam, Violence, and Media Propaganda00:06:15
No.
You're retired, I guess you could say?
Kind of retired from it, but.
I'll keep the door open a little bit.
But yeah, kind of, because my life's taken me on multiple different paths.
Yeah.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
My name is Alicia and I'm originally from London, but I'm between Miami and London at the moment.
But I do travel marketing.
Age?
I'm 25.
Any education, college?
Yeah, I went to college, but I dropped out because I started to become really successful in travel marketing.
So there was not really a need for me to finish.
What is travel marketing?
Is it like an affiliate sales or?
No, no, it's not affiliate sales.
So it's sales that I make myself.
So I have my own agency and I target hotels like Hilton, Marriott, Hayat, et cetera.
And what I do is I do content marketing for them.
So I establish what type of content is worth putting ad spend behind.
So before they actually put their ad.
What's it called?
Their ad management behind the meta ads that they're going to put forward to, you know, like put their ads and all of that stuff.
Yeah.
All right.
And we can detect a British accent.
Where are you from in England?
London, like I said.
London.
Yeah.
Did I miss that?
Yeah.
I have a tendency to not be listening sometimes when women talk, but just kidding.
I can talk.
And I noticed you have a tattoo here.
Are you Muslim?
Yeah, so my dad's Tunisian and Dominican, and my mom's Irish.
So are you Muslim?
I mean, I'm agnostic Muslim.
Okay, so you culturally.
No, not culturally.
Spiritually, I'd say Muslim.
Culturally, I don't associate with that.
Okay, so from a religious perspective, you are Muslim.
Yes.
But the cultural aspect, I don't associate with that.
What are the cultural aspects of Islam that you don't associate with?
When people see violence, bombings, people tweet on X attacks on religious aspects between Jews and Islam and violence, like I'd mentioned, I don't condone violence in any form.
I don't condone.
Hating on other religions just based on what religion they identify with.
I'm just myself.
I preach peace and grace and spirituality.
I don't preach violence of any nature, misogyny.
I'm not into that.
Obviously, there are stereotypes around Islam being misogynistic.
I don't identify with that.
And I'm just at peace with my religious aspect.
So I'm agnostic Muslim.
I'm not, you know, I don't believe it to the full extent, but there are certain bits and pieces that I do identify with.
I'll just leave it there.
You adhere to the religious tenets of Islam, but you reject.
And I mean, I don't know if it's fair to say that, and maybe this isn't what you're suggesting or alluding to.
Obviously, the majority of Muslims are not violent.
But that was the first thing you had brought up, saying that while you don't agree with the cultural aspects of Islam, now there are some Islamic terrorists, but I would say that the majority of people who are Muslim or Islam are not.
They're not violent.
No, but it's propaganda that's pushed through the US media like CNN and Fox News.
They push that violence against Islam, and obviously that's not the case.
But the propaganda that is pushed throughout the media obviously makes it seem that way when it's not.
So that's why I said, hence the reason for me to be saying, okay, I don't identify with violence, because when people think about Islam, automatically they assume Islam is to do with violence when that's not the case.
I don't know if that's my immediate impression when I think of Islam.
I typically am not thinking that the people are Muslims are violent.
Do you think that's the impression people have though?
Absolutely.
In the UK or in the US or?
Both.
In the West?
Both.
Okay.
Both.
Because the US is more or less dictated by Israel rulings.
Let's talk about Donald Trump and who he gets his orders from, wink, wink, hint, hint.
You know what I'm saying?
Like BB and all of that shit.
But he identifies Islam and he pushes propaganda through the news outlets.
About violence and Hamas and all of that stuff in Palestine, if you want to really get deep into it.
And obviously, a lot of Republicans and MAGA haters are going to internalize that and think, okay, culturally, Islam is, you know, brutal and violent and misogynistic.
And they have so many other rebuttals that they just learn their information and their news outlets through TikTok and all this dumb bullshit, which is not true.
But they can, you know.
Well, I mean, from a historical lens, Islam was certainly spread by the sword more so than other religions.
I mean, that is true.
But when you look at it from a different perspective, like even when you look at it through a Catholic or Protestant outlook through Christianity, that was still brutal.
It was still, there was blood still shed on its sword, too.
Obviously, the main outlook of Christianity and the main message is grace and protect and love thy neighbor and all of that.
Obviously, Islam has a different.
Message and they portray it differently, but they still want to look after women in its own way.
But a lot of people bend the rules of Islam just to make their personal beliefs acceptable so they can actually sleep at night and think, okay, like I'm doing a good, I'm doing justice here when that's not the case.
And I don't agree with that.
Puerto Rican Roots and Communication Skills00:03:52
All right, what about you?
My name is Evelyn.
I'm 48, just turned 48.
I'm in sales.
I sell cosmetic dermatology services.
I've been in sales all my life for the most part over 25 years.
I'm a mother and I didn't go to college.
I've always hustled, I've always been in sales, and I always did well with that.
All right.
And where do you live or where are you from?
I'm originally Salvadorian, so I'm from El Salvador.
And I came when I was really young, when I was three, and I live in Northridge, California.
What's the guy, the current president of El Salvador, Bukele?
Bukele.
Bukele.
Yeah, he's doing pretty good things over there, don't you think?
Amazing things, yes.
Yeah, some good things.
All right.
When did you move to the United States?
When I was three.
Three years old, okay.
And do you have citizenship now?
Yes, I do.
Both your parents are El Salvadorian?
Both of my parents are.
Gotcha.
Okay.
They're both here.
They're here too?
They have citizenship or they're naturalized?
Absolutely.
They have that citizenship.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Delia.
I'm 26.
I live in Long Beach, originally from the IE, which is the Inland Empire, if you guys aren't from Cali.
What else is there?
I'm a live host for brands.
I help sell their stuff online on TikTok.
I'm also a marketing specialist as well as a communication specialist.
For Cal State Long Beach, which is also the school that I go to for my bachelor's at the moment.
Okay.
Could I have you just tilt your mic down just a teeny bit?
This way, yes.
Other way.
Other way, yeah.
That's good.
Like that?
Okay.
And you said you go to Cal State Long Beach for what again?
Communications and marketing.
You're currently there?
Yeah.
And you're working on your bachelor's degree?
So you're currently taking classes?
Yes.
What's your class schedule like?
Ooh, it's kind of been pushed to the back burner right now, but Mondays I have.
My negotiation and bargaining class at 11.
Probably gonna miss that tomorrow.
Sorry, teach.
And then I have three other online classes for intercultural communications, which is common apparently.
And then we also have my marketing class on Tuesdays, four to seven.
That one is a shit show.
And then I think there's one more.
Wait, I'm thinking of it.
Yeah, one more.
I don't know.
Communications, another communications class.
All got A's and B's, though, so not too bad, right?
And you're a junior, senior?
I'm going to be a senior in the fall, so yeah, junior.
And did you just have, are you on quarter semester?
Semester.
So did you just get back from spring break?
Spring break, yeah.
So you just took some tests?
You just took, like, maybe did an essay, for example?
Yeah, I actually did do, like, a thousand word essay for my communications class.
What was the, what was the?
Communication theory, that's the other class.
What was the essay on?
The essay was on the thought process on motivation and how it can affect when your cognitive processing is interrupted by distraction and what it does, and the ways that you learn, take in information.
Like we have schemas, we're all able to hold roughly six to nine schemas, which is numbers.
If I gave you my phone number, you guys would all be able to hold at least six of those numbers.
That's the same thing with any kind of information.
If you were to give it to me, I would only be able to hold it.
And that's the same thing when it comes to distractions with school, distractions with school, work, relationships as well.
And yeah, I had to write about that.
Dating Multiple Men Without Exclusivity00:04:05
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
My name is V. I'm 36.
I'm originally from Puerto Rico.
I lived 12 years in Phoenix and I just moved to South Florida.
I'm a college dropout.
I did finance for about 10 years with a lot of mortgages and now.
Wow.
Now I work concerts and events, selling merchandise and carrying boxes around.
Absolutely.
And I'm a spiritual dropout.
Sorry, did you say any college?
Yes, I'm a college dropout.
I was going for physics and then I was like, I hate this.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Karina.
I am originally from Poland in Eastern Europe, to specify that.
I spent a great deal of my life in the United Kingdom.
I did drop out of university, as we say in the UK, but in here, college.
I used to study economics.
However, for the sake of my career and being relatively successful running a small marketing agency that's been now going on for about six years, I have dropped out.
And also, I have recently written a book on anti feminism.
All right, age.
Nice.
Yeah.
Age?
28.
28.
All right.
Welcome, everybody.
We're going to go around the table once more.
Tell us your relationship status.
So, are you single, in a relationship, situationship, whatever?
If you are in a relationship, how long have you been in that relationship?
And then, if you're single, how long have you been single?
My name, oh, I already said my name.
I am single.
I am like dating like people, but I'm single.
And I've pretty much been single for 22 years.
I had a boyfriend in Australia for like six months when I was living there, but I don't really count that as like a real relationship.
You were seeing him for six months?
Yes, yeah.
I feel like relationships are like years, right?
No.
No?
Okay, then I guess it's a shorter relationship, but I think six months you could consider it a.
Okay.
I mean, you called him your boyfriend?
Yeah.
Were you monogamous?
Yeah.
Exclusive?
Yeah.
Did he call you girlfriend?
Yeah.
Did you say, I love you?
Yeah.
Have you said, I love you to other men?
Oh.
Only him?
Yeah, no, I haven't.
Have other men said, I love you to you?
Yeah.
Maybe they thought they were in a relationship, but you said you're dating people, plural.
Plural.
How many people are you dating?
I'm probably going on dates with about three people right now.
And when you say you're going on dates with three people, these are ongoing.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Okay.
So I'm not sleeping with anybody.
Sure.
Yeah.
But you're going on dates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Of the three that you're kind of actively dating at the same time, what is the length of time that you've been spending time with them?
Yeah.
So one of the guys I'm going out with is a bit older.
He's almost 30.
We've been going out for about two months now.
Okay.
And then I have been going out for like two weeks with a guy who's at my age, he's like 23.
And then there's someone in LA that I've just been talking to.
Actually, we haven't met each other in person yet, but he's 26.
So you haven't met yet, but you've been exchanging messages?
Yeah, yeah.
Which one's your favorite?
30 year old.
The older guy, the two months.
The older guy, yeah, yeah.
How many.
And he lives in your city?
Yeah, he lives in Austin.
Okay.
That makes things, I assume, a bit easier for you.
Yeah.
How many individual dates or times you've hung out would you say you've.
At least 10.
At least 10.
Yeah.
And you haven't hooked up with him?
No.
Okay.
Is that bad?
No, just usually people nowadays tend to, you know, second, third date typically.
He's actually like pretty religious.
He's Muslim.
Melanotan Use and Online Connections00:02:42
So that's why I'm like a bit like standoffish about it because I don't know.
You're apprehensive.
I'm apprehensive.
He hasn't really made moves.
Oh, he hasn't made moves?
Yeah, yeah.
What about like a kiss?
We kissed, yeah.
Kiss, but not anything further really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nothing further.
Okay.
No.
Are you religious?
No.
Well, I like, yes, but I'm not part of an organized religion.
I'm very, like, spiritual.
Kind of have my own, like, religious compass.
Which is what?
Which is, I think that we're in a simulation and.
No, like, I'm being serious.
Full NPCs.
And I think that there are dimensions above ours where like religious entities live.
I think at the very top of this is God, the universe, whatever you want to conceptualize it as.
But I guess you could kind of say it's agnostic, but I could dive into it, but it's just like really complicated.
But I have like a whole, I have like docs written out about this.
Okay, so you believe in God.
Oh, you've done shrooms.
Yeah, yeah.
You've done a lot of drugs.
Not drugs, just shrooms.
I worked at a clinical psychedelic lab when I was in Australia.
Are there different kinds of shrooms or just.
Mainly just psilocybin.
Yeah.
There's Anamita mushrooms, but you take those in smaller doses.
So, in terms of the drugs you've done, is just mushrooms?
Mushrooms.
You haven't done like LSD or I don't know what the other ones are, but I've done DMSD.
Wait, wait, wait.
Sorry, what?
Yeah, I've done LSD.
Once, twice?
Once, once.
Not like, not even a full tap, just like a microdose.
And then when I was in college, I smoked weed, but I don't anymore.
You don't smoke anymore?
No, I haven't smoked.
You do take peptides, though.
I do take peptides, yeah.
What peptides?
What tides do you take?
I take.
And what do they do?
Yes, I take the Glow Stack.
That is GHKCU, BPC 157, and TB 500.
GHKCU increases collagen production, so it helps your skin.
And it just kind of like makes you glow more, helps your hair grow.
BPC 157 and TB 500 are both anti inflammatory.
They help a lot with gut health and just like repair in the body.
They reduce inflammation.
They can help with injuries, and because they Increase your body's repair.
It can also help you build muscle, but not in a way that increases your testosterone or growth hormone or anything like that.
And then I also take melanotan, which just helps you tan a little bit more.
I'm really pale, kind of like you, and so in the sun I burn.
I'm a bit paler than you, but.
Yeah, yeah.
Melanotan?
Melanotan.
I've heard.
Melatonin.
Well, melatonin's for sleep.
Yeah, yeah.
I've heard of melanotan.
Traditional Date Payment Expectations00:15:27
Maybe that's how you pronounce it.
I don't know.
Anyways, I say Melanotin.
Maybe there's a different one I'm not aware of, but okay, so you've been seeing this guy for 10 weeks.
He's Muslim.
But you didn't finish the peptides that I'm on.
You don't want to know.
Glutathione?
No, okay.
I get the idea.
I do later.
Dating podcast, I guess.
I was just curious about it, though, but I guess really quick on the peptides, aren't they illegal?
No.
They're not illegal.
They're not.
No.
I was actually in a Wall Street Journal article about this because RFK is trying to get them like.
Like legalized, legalized, they're a gray market kind of substance, yeah.
They're not outright banned, but yeah, they're not regulated, yeah, yeah.
Okay, uh, so you've been dating three guys, sort of concurrently, but in between those three guys, you're also going out on like individual dates with other men, too.
Like you were on a date last night.
Last night, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that didn't go well.
No, not really.
You posted, we'll play it later.
No, wait, don't do that.
We'll play it later, but you posted a video of you crying post date.
And.
Yeah.
So, yeah, and sometimes to Dave's message to my producers, yeah, sometimes you can occasionally, like if we're too long on split, we can always go center for a little bit.
But.
Okay, so you have you, how long have you been in LA?
Just like two days?
Three days, yeah.
How many dates have you been on?
Just one.
Just with the one guy?
Okay, but it didn't go well.
It was just like a last minute thing because I was supposed to hang out with the guy I was talking to for a while, but he pulled on me.
So then I was just like, this guy was in my DMs.
He looked cute.
He looked sweet.
He asked me out to a really nice restaurant.
I was like, why not?
I don't want to, I didn't want to drink last night, so I was like, why not go on a nice date?
Okay, so you are like also, but when you're back home in Texas, you're also like going on dates here and there too.
Not really.
With other guys?
Not really.
I don't go on like hinge dates.
I don't really respond to my DMs, but if I come across people in public, like if a guy asks me out at the grocery store or at the gym, like I'll go on a date with him.
I think that's sweet.
Okay.
The guy that you've been seeing for two months, let's see.
You've been on 10 dates with him.
He's kind of moving things slow.
Is he dating other women?
I would assume so.
I think so.
We haven't like talked about that.
But.
I think he probably is, yeah.
Okay.
Is there a reason you haven't tried to pull the trigger on any of these?
Well, I mean, you haven't met the LA guy or whatever, but there was a guy you were dating for two weeks.
There's this two month guy.
I mean, do you want a relationship with either of them?
Yeah, I would have a relationship.
I think I just would like to spend more time to get to know him more.
And I'm also at a point in my life where I do value independence and I'm trying to grow a lot.
On social media and maybe possibly find a job, also, and just like develop myself more.
I don't think I've reached my full potential yet to attract like the best person into my life, so that's kind of why I'm like hesitant to get into a relationship right now.
Uh, okay, and then you also were in Australia where you had one singular boyfriend for about six months, yes.
Uh, but besides that, you've never had a boyfriend, yeah, no, okay.
Um, so Because you did say you've essentially been single for 22 years of your life.
Do you want a boyfriend?
I mean, well, you said you were focused on work and career and stuff.
So, not really right now.
I'm open to it.
If it happens, it happens, but not really.
Now, knowing that you, and we'll get to everybody's relationship status, but I just want to dive into a topic on this.
Knowing that she's dating basically three men, like three men at the same time.
And that you're going from time to time on dates with other people.
Do you guys think men should still pay for the date?
Like, if a guy was going on a date with her tomorrow, knowing that she's actively dating other men, should the men still pay for the date?
Yes.
Yes.
I think so.
Let's go around the table.
What do you think?
Yes.
I think all three of them should take her on a date at the same time.
That is speed dating.
Very creative.
Excuse me.
That's fucking disgusting.
Get your mind out of the gutter.
What do you think?
I think he should, yes.
He should?
I'd say half and half.
It depends on how you're getting along with the people.
Yeah.
Well, let's just say that.
Well, let's ask.
Go 50 50.
Well, let's say that the date's going good.
Should the man pay?
I'm thinking the more he wants to impress her, yes.
But in fairness, when you're dating somebody, it's fair enough to maybe split the bill sometimes.
Sure.
What do you think?
Absolutely, yes.
Absolutely, yes.
Okay.
All right.
What do you think?
Yes, I agree with the concept.
Yes.
Okay.
What do you think?
No.
Yes, only if it's exclusive.
If you're dating multiple people and you're not exclusive, it depends on the vibe.
Yeah.
What about you?
No.
The man should not pay.
What do you think?
Assuming that he knows you are dating multiple people, he absolutely should not be paying for that.
Only if you give him your full attention exclusively, he should.
And then, question sort of related to this, but a bit different.
Going around the table, has anyone here gone on two dates in the same night?
Just two dates.
You know, you go on a date, you meet at the bar, dinner, 6 p.m., and then you got another date after for 8 p.m.
Anybody ever done that?
Going around the table?
Yes, you have?
No.
No.
No?
Yes.
No, that's hard.
Three dates and two nights?
But you've done two dates and two nights, okay?
No.
Sounds exhausting.
What about you?
It is.
Okay, so just you and you.
He's multitasking.
And then in that situation, Going around the table, let's say you could imagine though that there are sometimes women who will go on dates, uh, two and two dates in the night.
Do you think in that circumstance that we'll say the should the first guy pay for the date, but I guess should either of them, either of the two men, pay for the date if she's going on two dates in the night?
Oh, um, what do you think about that?
I guess for both of them, like, yes, I think if you're going on a first date, I think if you're talking to multiple people, it's not assumed you're exclusive, like, these guys are probably talking to multiple girls, so.
It's part of the courting.
Like, it's courting a girl, and like, women are, I guess, like, valuable.
Like, men pay to have women around, and like, especially if he's well off.
Are men, really quick, are men not valuable?
No, they are.
They are.
Well, you said women are valuable.
Are women, hold on.
So, are women more valuable than men?
No.
What I'm trying to say is to a man, to a man, right, having like a company from a beautiful woman, an intelligent woman, is valuable.
It attracts more things to you, right?
When a man is accompanied by a beautiful woman, like.
How?
Just gains more respect from other men.
More respect?
Yeah.
So if I'm like on a date, hold on.
So in Los Angeles, when you went on a date yesterday, and it's like a city of like millions and millions of people, and you go to a restaurant and you're never going to see any of those people ever again, what value am I deriving long term from, like, let's say I never see that girl again.
Like, I go on the date with her and I never see her again.
What is the value that I'm deriving in terms of from the framework of what you're laying out from that, like, nobody in that room is going to ever see me again?
Like, no girl is gonna, at the restaurant, is gonna see me on this date with this really hot girl, and like when my date's at the bathroom, gonna slide a piece of paper to me with her phone number.
Like, that's not gonna happen.
So, what is like the value that I'm getting from being seen with a beautiful woman by people I'll never see again, most likely?
I guess because you're of status, right?
Okay.
Right?
Like, people of status are seen with beautiful women.
Just, I don't know.
I think a whole lot of people are going to be like, what is the long term benefit?
Like, okay, so everyone in the restaurants sees me with a beautiful woman and they're like, wow, that guy's the shit.
Truthfully, most people don't give a probably don't care.
Like, people probably are like, they're in their own world, they're eating their food, they're talking to their date or whoever they're with.
Like, I don't know if there's like a real strong, tangible benefit of like on one given date.
Having like a beautiful woman.
Like, I don't know if I see the value there.
Pardon me.
I get your point.
Man or Jack?
You haven't seen any 80s movies then, right?
Because in the 80s movies, it was basically take the hot girl out so other girls think you're attractive.
Wait, wait, hold on.
I'm just throwing that out there.
Wait, wait, wait.
If I'm going to a restaurant with a woman, wouldn't you agree that my attention ought to be focused on the woman I'm on a date with, not trying to use her as a pawn to like, Get an ego boost from the other women or men at the restaurant.
I should be focused on her, talking to her, engaging with her.
And truthfully, I'm not going to derive, like, maybe in some movie, like, which is, mind you, is fictional.
I don't think I'm really going to derive some sort of.
Like, women aren't going to see me on a date with, like, another attractive woman and be like, wow, let me just, like, slip him my number.
Like, I don't.
Maybe that happens, like, Now it's just men trying to impress men.
Yeah.
I think the kind of movies you're also referring to is like Scarface, you know, when there is a woman.
Scarface?
Scarface.
Have you watched the movie Scarface?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there was a woman who is basically being kind of courted by both enemies eventually.
Oh, wow.
In a scenario whereby you bring that woman into an environment where everyone knows you, that could be a boost of an ego and so on because everyone knows you are bringing that asset, I guess.
Like I said, the 80s movies.
Yeah.
But in a scenario that Brian was in, Explaining whereby you're walking to a random restaurant and you have a woman with you, and nobody really cares who you are, nobody knows you.
It doesn't really matter what she looks like because nobody's going to notice.
Of a woman saying, Oh, who is he?
What does he have to offer?
Maybe I, you know, they look like they're just dating.
She may think that, but do you think she actually encouraged me?
Let's actually hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
I mean, we're getting a little off track, but let's examine this.
So, have you ever been on a date with a guy?
And can you articulate to me a time that he ever conferred a benefit simply by virtue of being with you at the restaurant?
Like, can you actually articulate the benefit, the tangible benefit he received?
Did some business guy come up to him and be like, Wow, your chick's really fucking hot.
Let me hire you for my business.
Has that ever happened to any of you?
It's subconscious.
It's subconscious.
Has that ever happened?
Not at the restaurant, but at like, if we end up going out to bars and stuff, it definitely is.
It's subconscious.
At the bar?
Yeah, like.
Like a really nice, like, bar that he can't normally get into.
Now he can get into it.
Now we can network with people.
Discount.
It might be because of his wallet and what he can put on the table.
Yeah, I think they're gonna let him into the bar because he's gonna spend money, right?
I mean,.
Now, maybe if you're talking about like certain nightclubs, like that are really kind of honestly fucking lame, and they're saying, oh, okay, you need to bring three girls with you if you want to get in.
No, I'm not.
Does that even have to be?
I don't even say that.
Having a more attractive woman on your arm can get you to in a club you usually can't get in sometimes.
I'm talking stupid.
But you already have the girl.
I'm talking a little bit in history.
Like if you already got the girl, I mean, unless you're just using her, like if she's a friend or something.
Well, no, it's like.
First off, I'll go out to a nightclub.
The girl may say, Hey, go there.
And he's like, I never can get in.
And she's like, No, don't worry.
We can get in.
Well, maybe because she knows the promoter, but that's not necessarily because of her looks and the guy being there.
I've never been to Studio 50 for a period of 70s and 80s.
Yeah, but we don't live in 70s or 80s anymore.
We're talking about the current situation.
I'm just saying, these are the things that shaped what's happening today.
Oh, sorry.
These are the things that are shaping what happened today.
So the thing is, though, is that first off, I don't even understand if you're like actually dating a woman, say she's your girlfriend.
I think it's Pretty much one of the most retarded things ever you could do to bring a girl with you to the bar.
You already have her.
Stay home, watch Netflix, order DoorDash, have sex.
Why are you at the club?
Why go to the club?
You already have a girl.
I mean, look, I'm.
Unless the friends, but they are a real reason to actually be there.
I'm listening or playing.
I personally, I'm introverted to be fair, so I think nightclubs are like retarded.
But, anyways, let's get back to the topic here.
Yeah, there are two things.
I don't want to like interrupt you.
I'm sorry.
But there are two things I wanted to add.
Okay.
Okay, the first thing is like, I don't think there's anything wrong with like a first date not involving money.
It's just like, I can't afford to go to a nice restaurant.
Like, that's just not in my budget, right?
Like, the guy I'm going out with probably makes a lot more money than me, but if he wants to go walk the trail, go on a hike, maybe just grab coffee, then I think that's perfectly acceptable to meet someone that way.
Yeah.
Okay, and then the second thing?
And then the second thing was, oh, I think it's so like valuable to go to a club when you're dating somebody.
I mean, I don't really even go to the club when I'm single.
I'd rather go to the club if I'm dating someone.
Because you can dance together.
Like, have you ever been to, I guess it's not a club, but like, there's like two step in Austin.
There's like.
Dance?
Yeah.
Do you think heterosexual men want to dance?
Yeah.
They want to wear their hats.
It's like country dancing.
They want to wear their hats that you simply said to them.
Like, men don't.
Look, well, actually, I think in one of your videos, you were saying either you or other women want to date, like, I'm trying to remember what you said exactly.
Like, possibly gay men.
Do you remember saying that in one of your videos?
That was completely satire.
Well, is it satire though?
But you did say that.
So I do question this desire for, like, most men don't want to go dance.
Like, do you, okay, do you think a lot of straight men, maybe there's an argument there, like, if it's with your girl or something, maybe, still, it's lame as fuck.
But, like, do you think men hanging out with their male friends are like, you know what we gotta do tonight?
We gotta dance.
Like, do you think they're like, yes, we gotta go out and dance?
Like, do you think straight men are thinking that?
Like, that's a desire for men?
But, anyways, besides the point, back to the thing though.
Fairness in Modern Dating Dynamics00:15:26
So it was like, okay, I think the topic was if a woman is going out on two dates in one night, should the man pay?
And you were, I think, explaining the justification for why men should pay, if I recall.
And you said, well, one of the reasons is because women offer this value.
It's status to have a good looking woman with you.
I think we already discussed that.
What were the other things?
I guess just like having a woman's company, having the emotional kind of processing and relation with a woman, having good conversation with a woman.
But you get that too as the woman.
So you get.
I feel like most states I'm listening to guys and not really saying much.
Well, that can vary, I would say.
But in any case, the time you're both spending on the date is equivalent.
Now, who's doing the talking?
That can be disputed, but you have his company, he has your company.
So that seems kind of equal there.
But let me open it up to the rest of the panel.
So the prompt was a woman goes on two dates in one night.
And I'm asking, should the men pay?
I think half of you said yes.
You said yes, the man should still pay, if I recall.
I went around the table on that one, right?
Yeah.
Why should the man pay?
I guess it varies based upon disclosure.
So, if I was to do that, I would let them know that I'm dating others and I would still hold them to like higher standards because, regardless, like if you allow them to start out lazy, they're going to continue.
They're just going to get comfortable and be lazy.
Yeah.
Anything else?
I, yeah, no.
Okay.
All right.
What do you think?
I think it does depend.
If they do know that you are dating other people and they're kind of keeping it casual as well, I don't think it matters really who pays if you're both casual.
However, if he is trying to actively pursue her and want to win her over in a relationship, Then I would say yes to pay, but I think that's his own discretion.
Okay, so shouldn't, well, okay, shouldn't in an effort to win a man over, maybe she should only do one date per night though?
Well, yeah, but if they both are kind of like, oh, we're both casual, like it was just kind of mutual, then that's where I would see it's like the blur of you can pay, it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't hold them to that standard.
Okay, all right, sure.
What do you think?
Well, the thing is too, it's going on a date on the same day.
With someone, you might have like a coffee with someone to get to meet them, and then also go on a date actually, have a date that night, but the person can meet, so you'll want to do that.
Yeah.
So, should they pay?
I would say, yeah, there's no harm in buying a coffee and there's no harm in buying dinner.
Do they have to?
No, you can have different terms.
Here, really quick, can I have you take your arms off the table and move your microphone back to the edge of the table, please?
All right, your thoughts?
Absolutely, yes, a guy should pay for the date.
Even if the woman's going on two dates in the same way.
Regardless, a guy should absolutely pay for the date.
In any circumstance, any circumstance.
Absolutely.
How about this?
Let me propose a new circumstance, but I'll have the rest of the guests answer.
There's no circumstance under which you think a man should be alleviated of a duty to pay for a date.
No, I think.
Let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
Let's say instead of her going on a.
So the second date guy.
Let's say instead of it, you know, she went on a date with another man.
She's having sex.
So she has a fuck buddy.
And prior to the date that she's going on with this man, this is her ongoing fuck buddy and she's on birth control.
This other man.
Ejaculated inside of her.
So when she's on that date with this other man, she literally has another man's seed leaking out of her.
Under that circumstance, now, and you would agree, perhaps you would agree, that a man paying for a date is traditional.
Absolutely.
Traditional gender role.
Yes.
Do you think it's traditional to show up to a date with another man's cum inside of you?
I mean, that's a hypothetical.
I could make a hypothetical that, you know, you could get.
Shot right now.
Like it's a hypothetical, you know?
And you're right.
I'm asking you to engage with the hypothetical.
Yes, I still believe that.
Yeah, definitely.
So, okay, so tradition for men.
Yeah.
Modernity, freedom for women.
Yes, I absolutely believe that he should still pay for the date.
He's still open to knowing that she's.
He's still open to accepting that she's dating three guys.
Dating three guys is open to the fact that she could be sleeping with them, she could be kissing them, she could be being intimate with them.
He's still.
Intellectualizing and accepting that, okay, she has the possibility to be intimate with them.
He's accepting that.
And then, by him taking her on a date, he's accepting that, okay, she could be doing XYZ with them and it's still going to happen.
So it's his fault whether they come in her, whether they don't, whether she kisses them.
He's still going to be paying for the date and he knows that, irregardless of what's going to happen.
Well, so what I'm asking here, though, is more so an examination of gender roles and fairness and what people deserve.
Listen, life's not fair.
Yeah.
Okay, so should we take away women's right to vote?
Well, that's out of love, too.
Life's not fair.
That's not relevant.
It was.
It's completely relevant.
No, it's not.
Well, it has to do with fairness.
It's completely relevant.
We're talking about dating.
We're talking about fairness in dating.
Now you're completely deterring the conversation to an extra level.
We're talking about voting now.
No, we're talking about dating.
Fairness in dating.
Yes, absolutely.
Life is not fair.
Life is not butterflies and rainbows.
Stuff might happen in between that date.
Well, I don't see why there necessarily needs to be, there necessarily needs to be like a legal or political fairness.
It's not legal.
It's not political.
It's just beta simps don't pay for dates.
Masculine men pay for dates.
Just to be clear.
But do masculine men, well, do masculine men date women or pay for dates for women who have another man's?
You don't even need to finish the sentence.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
No, I don't think that's a good idea.
Especially if they know that she's dating other men, they have the prerogative to already pay for the dates because they are self aware that she's already dating other men.
Well, it's not granted in the hypothetical that the men know.
Can I interject in here for a moment?
Just one thing here.
I don't think it's granted in the hypothetical that men know.
Like, I don't think most women who are sleeping with a guy and then dating other men are not doing a disclosure.
And I think even if asked, even if asked by men, Hey, are you like, let's say it's especially a guy who she really likes.
I think if most men were to ask a woman, Hey, have you been like seeing anybody?
Have you been dating anybody?
Have you like, have you had sex with somebody recently?
Knowing that her answer might destroy her chances with this man, I think a lot of women, not all women, some women might be honest and forthcoming, a lot of women would either omit or lie that they were recently sexually active with another man, knowing that it will.
Has a good chance of tanking her prospects with the man that she really likes.
So I think, but again, not all men are even gonna, I guess, ask for clarification, but women aren't going to willing, they're not going to volunteer this.
They're not gonna volunteer, hey, by the way, just letting you know, we're going on the first date tonight.
I did fuck a guy last night.
Like they're not gonna volunteer that.
I understand that, but men need to understand that women are not going to tell the truth.
Nobody is going to tell you 100% of the truth.
To take that into consideration, I think we should just always be honest.
I understand that, I understand that, I understand that, but I understand that.
But men and women don't always tell the truth, human beings don't always tell the truth.
You have to put that into a fact of I always tell the truth.
I understand that you might always tell the truth, but not everybody is exactly like you and we should be that way.
Fair enough, they should be that way.
I just wanted to jump in originally from what you were saying that when it comes to disclosure, I can bet you any money right now that most women will not.
Be truthful when it comes to that, and this is going back to what Brian was saying that especially if you really like a guy and you want to impress him, you are not going to disclose who you slept with last.
And most importantly, not very many guys will have a courage to ask you during the first date, When did you sleep with somebody?
You know, but I do think it's extremely unfair to accept something like paying for a date, whether that be a coffee, whether that be a very expensive fine dining experience, knowing.
That you are going on a date with somebody else on the same date.
Because if you are expecting someone else's efforts and funds, then in that case, you know, it's a two way road.
It's not, you can't expect and not give back.
Men lie also, and men are benign.
Sure, they do, but does it make it okay?
So, if we go with an eye for an eye, then that's not going to take us very far in lying.
Most behavior like that is learned from men, and usually women are passing it on, but I believe that a lot of men have the same.
It's our responsibility to take accountability for our own behavior.
But a lot of men don't probe a man is lying.
My apologies.
Probe either.
Like, that's also our responsibility to probe and to ask those questions and analyze and see if we're being manipulated or not.
Sure, but this goes back to the original you know, when you were a teenager and you wanted to do something with your friends, and then your mother would say to you, Oh, if your friends are going to jump in a fire, will you do the same?
You know, no, you just have to take responsibility for your own behavior, but you have to be truthful.
In the real world, most women in today's day and age, Between the ages of 20 and 35, let's say, they are not very likely to disclose who they slept with.
Okay, but compared to men, what are those statistics?
Yeah.
Well, we can't say because there is no data.
So you're not very good at comparative analysis then?
No, you're not very good at comparative analysis.
You know exactly what women are, but you don't know what men are.
But you can't expect men to pay when you know most women are not going to be truthful.
Okay, but how many men are not willing to be truthful on dates?
Probably equal amount.
Probably no.
So you're not completely sure.
That wasn't the question.
The question was should the guy be paying?
If she's not being truthful, that she's going on two dates.
I understand that.
But you know what?
Why would a woman disclose that on the first date?
I just slept with whoever.
That's none of your business.
First of all, I'm here.
So, why would she expect him to pay then if she's going on two dates?
Because I'm traditional.
I'm not a man.
So, women.
Sorry to interrupt you, darling.
But women want men who are protectors.
Why would I be attracted to a man who's not a protector?
Why would I want a man to make me in my physical, feminine energy?
Why would I want a man to put me in my masculine energy?
And men don't want to date women who are.
Fucking other men, yeah.
Why do you want to protect you?
Fair enough, but I understand that.
But why, but you have to take that, but that they don't have to do anything.
That's the truth.
A real protector and a leader and a masculine man does not have to do anything because, truth be told, there are not very many men like that left in the world, and they have a lot to choose from.
That's certainly not a girl who's gone out on a date with another guy the same night, let alone let somebody else come and her, they could use it as lube.
That is fucking disgusting.
My question is Wait, wait, hold on.
That is one of the most fucking disgusting things I've ever done.
Hold on, we have a TTS.
Metro Mac donated $200.
I think for the TTS.
She follows Islam, but apparently not the practice.
Says not to judge others based on their religion, but shits on love.
I'd venture to say she has a problem with accountability and reasoning.
Metro Matt, thank you for your TTS, man.
Do you want to do a quick response to that?
Yeah, as I said previously at the beginning of the introduction, I say I'm agnostic Islamic.
So I didn't say I follow the religion 100%.
I follow the main teachings, I follow the main spirituality based and rooted in that religion, but I don't follow it completely to its heart.
So, yes, of course, I'm my own individual.
I respond to my own.
Reality and I respond to what's happened to me in the past and I respond to what could happen to me in the past and I accept all things happening now in the relevant modern world.
So, yes, I understand what you're saying, but no, I disagree with that completely.
We're going to come back to the convo, but let me get the other panelists' answers on this question.
So, the girl goes on this date with two guys, I guess, or whatever.
Or wait, did we go around the table on that already?
It is your turn now, I believe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Isn't it your turn?
Yeah, so what was the question?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was.
Okay, the girl goes on.
Two dates in one night, should the man pay?
Yes, you should.
You should, absolutely.
Yeah.
What do you think?
For the record, I'm one of the girls who said that I went on two.
One of them was random because, exactly, we're all busy people.
If I want to get to know somebody and they happen to pop up, I'm going to go on that date.
I did not do what you're suggesting or saying, but it really depends, right, where you're at.
If I'm like really with somebody that I'm like super like, but at the same time, like we're not exclusive yet, if I go on that second date and I do actually like him, I'm going to be like, okay, like, yeah, next time I might date you.
If I still really like this guy and that me and the second guy are not feeling it, I'm going to be like, yo, like, let me pay.
Like, I'll get half.
Like, I'll let it know, be known.
So.
Okay.
What about you?
I said no, mostly because if you want a protective man for you, like, that provides, like, you also have to be the person that's honest and, you know, kind of not 304ing around.
And your thoughts, I guess?
Yeah.
So I already said absolutely not.
You should not be expecting a guy to pay.
But, Beyond going back to what you were saying about feminine energy, let's say I stick with you for a moment and say, Okay, fine, you go on two dates one night.
I don't believe you are even able as a woman to give your full feminine energy to both of these guys equally as good.
Why not?
Because your attention, women are very emotional.
Well, like we're emotional beings.
So being emotional means that you're not being able to be feminine?
I don't believe that you are able to give the same amount of emotion and.
So, you need to be equally emotional to both men to be able to be feminine?
Is that what you're saying?
I believe your full attention is not going to be on both of them equally in one day, no.
Yeah, but attention doesn't equal to femininity, though.
Feminine Energy and Emotional Connection00:15:04
It does in this case.
So, your feminine energy, you can't give attention to that guy through your feminine energy.
So, you're saying feminine energy is an umbrella term?
In this case, it is, absolutely.
How so?
I've just explained it.
Feminine energy in general, of how you carry yourself, how you speak to the guy on the date, you're not even able to give him the full attention on a second date because, somewhat at the back of your head, you're going to be thinking about the previous dates.
It's impossible.
But beyond that, I still don't agree with being so unfaithful in a term of you expecting somebody to pay and give their resources where you haven't given your full resources in that case.
That's your opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion.
I respect that.
But I feel like you definitely, absolutely can be feminine with both dates.
Personally, I don't do that, but in regards to women that do do that, you absolutely can be feminine.
There are women that are naturally feminine, and of course, they can object that in both dates.
So you don't have to be in one date masculine that you come with a Nike tech fleece and you meet the guy, and then the second date, you come in a dress and you have to be all feminine and touching the guy and everything.
No, absolutely, you can be feminine and you can be in your feminine energy.
Yeah, so even granting that women can be feminine, even if they're being whores, that still really doesn't contend with the central argument here, which is do women deserve it?
So if a woman is fucking other men, multiple other men maybe, or whatever it might be, does she deserve to have her date paid for?
It's not about deserve.
It's about.
Well, that's the question that's being asked.
If you're talking about strictly deserve, does a woman deserve it?
It depends on the individual itself.
It doesn't depend on it.
So, the individual itself, she got fucked by a different guy.
She's now on a date with another man.
Okay, no.
Does she deserve it?
Does that individual that you're talking about?
No, she doesn't deserve it.
It's based upon his preference.
Which is the whole thing.
That has nothing to do with his preference.
Exactly.
I thought you were being broad with the question.
Well, so hold on.
I think we got to parse things out a little bit.
So, you said it's his preference.
Can you repeat what you said?
I said that if he feels like he wants to pay for it, what is the difference between if I go on a date on Tuesday and Go on a whim.
So hold on.
There's 24 hours, but there's 48 hours in two days.
What's the date?
Let me separate between what is and what ought to be or who is deserving.
So I acknowledge that despite a woman, she could be a sex worker.
We talked about this last time you were on the show.
She could be a porn star.
She could be a prostitute.
She could be, from a bird's eye view down, from an outsider perspective, she could be the least deserving of a man being traditional and paying for dates.
It doesn't mean, well, we can get to that.
It doesn't necessarily mean that she's not going to get it.
Like, plenty of men are going to take OnlyFans girls and prostitutes and porn stars out on dates and pay for the dinner.
There's no dispute there that men are still going to pay because it's, to use a video game term called meta, most effective tactics available.
If, as a man, you're inclined to date a woman who is a sex worker or promiscuous or whatever it is, it is the most effective strategy when it comes to dating.
To and it is sort of like the so there's a social pressure that exists too to pay for the date.
That's uh, it's either going to be neutral or a positive to pay for the date.
If you don't pay for the date, at best it's neutral or it's negative.
It's never going to be like a positive, oh, I like him more because we went 50 50.
No, like it's maybe neutral for some women or it's going to be a negative for a lot.
Uh, so there's no dispute that men are still going to pay for the woman, even if she's a strumpet, even if she like is letting dudes blast in her and she's leaking out of every possible hole imaginable.
DNA everywhere, right?
Kind of gross.
However, does she deserve it?
And my position is no.
Because if you have an expectation on men to adhere to a traditional gender role, there should be some level.
Now, look, I'm not saying the woman need not be like she has to be a virgin, otherwise, you shouldn't pay for the date.
No, like, okay, she's had previous sexual partners.
But I do think there's a certain level of perhaps if there's an expectation on men to pay for dates, to be traditional, what would be the reasonable expectation on women to be deserving of that sort of tradition?
Respect for one another.
And I don't think it is respectful to be like stacking three dates in a day.
I don't think it's respectful to be actively fucking a guy and like going.
Well, people do it.
You're putting women at the other end of the spectrum while you're putting men at a decent average level.
Like, does a woman need to.
I never made any claims to be a woman.
You said, hold on, let me speak.
You said a man needs to get.
A woman needs to get fucked and a guy to come in her and then a guy just needs to date her.
That's the level that you're putting it at.
Why not a girl just dating through guys and having normal dates and not fucking and getting cummed in and then meeting the guy later on for a next date?
Why did you have to put it at the opposite end of the 304 whole spectrum?
Well, first off.
Why can't it be the guy that gets fucked and comes in the girl and then does all of that and then meets her an hour later?
Well, so two things.
First off, your framing of, well, it's very extreme for a woman to be sexually active with one man, meanwhile she's dating, like going out on dates.
I actually don't think it's that extreme of a situation or that uncommon that the woman has like a friends with benefits or a sneaky link or, you know, a fuck buddy or a situation ship and she's not quite in like monogamous relationship territory.
And all the while she's going out on dates with other men with an expectation for them to pay.
I don't think it's fair to frame that as like some like really outlier thing.
I think it's actually fairly common.
But, and sorry, what was the second part of your thing?
It's just the way you phrased it.
And I said you put women at the other end of the spectrum saying a guy's meeting her that day.
Fucking her, coming in, what if men are doing that?
And then the men, it was just like he was just dating her and meeting her that night.
Yeah, and so what if men are doing that?
So I would have a similar objection for men to be moving in that way too.
I don't believe, no, I think there's some degree of difference, but I don't think men should be promiscuous either.
Now, there's some differences a little bit, but I think promiscuity is bad in both men and women.
Absolutely.
The reason I'm specifically making this about women is because it's about this.
One directional expectation from women to men about who should pay for the first date.
There is no typical expectation that men place on women to like pay for first dates or really do anything on the first date in terms of really something they do, a benefit they provide, or something like that.
So, you're talking about an effort for an effort, expectation for an expectation in this scenario.
Yeah, if the expectation is I want to hold men to a traditional standard, I believe women should hold, like, you should be.
Adhering to your own traditional standard, and I think women are sort of have forsaken many of their own traditional standards.
That's just a societal norm.
That's like men saying, okay, men for hundreds and thousands of years have been keeping their hair short.
Now men should automatically have their hair long, and women should have short hair.
And that should be the societal norm now.
It's been a societal norm for men to pay for dates, for men to court the woman, for men to be the provider, be the protector.
And why should a man be in his feminine energy and not protect and not provide and not be there for a woman?
Because that's his instinctive behavior.
Not even within humans, within animalistic, within animals, within other realms of society as well, not just humans.
Can I just really quick?
Are you making a.
It sounds to me a bit like you're making a defense of it's okay for women to be whores.
Is that do I?
I'm not saying it's okay to women to be whores.
I don't accept that as well.
I don't accept that.
So, shouldn't you be agreeing with me?
Shouldn't it be like, shouldn't men, in an effort to perhaps bring women to a better equilibrium, perhaps withhold their traditional treatment?
So, as to compel women to be acting in a more traditional way?
No.
Who asked who out?
No.
If the girl asks the guy out or says, take me out to dinner, then maybe it's fair to split the bill.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Have you ever asked a guy out?
No.
Oh.
How many first dates have you been on?
Probably a lot.
That's not a society.
How many, though?
I have no idea.
How many?
Probably like 50.
50, 100, maybe?
Not 100.
First dates?
50 to 100.
Maybe like 30 to 50.
First dates?
Yeah, just like first dates.
Like meeting out for, it could be dinner, it could be bowling, whatever it is, right?
Yeah, yeah.
You've never asked a man out?
No.
But you, so okay, your position is whoever asks should pay for the date.
Yeah.
Aren't you kind of ignoring the social and cultural and dating landscape where women don't do that?
Exhibit A. Exhibit A. Logic of that's traditional for a man to ask a girl out.
It's traditional for a man to Pay right, right, but it's like I don't necessarily want to go out on dates, right?
Like when I was employed, I didn't have time to go out on dates.
Now that I'm like unemployed, I have some time to go out on dates, but it's like I don't necessarily even want to be going out with these guys.
So, like, if he's paying for it, it's kind of like a way of courting me into it, you know.
Can I interject in here for a moment?
I don't want to go out with my girlfriend if I'm paying for it.
So, I didn't want to do this when the other person just left the table for a short break, but going back to societal norms, we have just heard comparing you know, it's been very traditional and normal for a man to provide, to protect, and so on.
Why don't we also look at the traditional norms for women back then, whereby a woman is expected to behave a certain way and she's certainly back to traditional roles, not expected to be going out on two dates in one day.
We're not even talking about two dates in a week.
Back to traditional norms is meeting somebody, you're going out for a little dance with them or a drink or a dinner, and then you're getting married to them, you know?
So if you really want to go back to tradition, that's how women should be behaving.
If you're expecting of men, To be behaving the same way.
And there is a difference in equality because we're talking about equality in here and traditional norms.
You can't talk about doing a different thing and expecting the same outcome, you know?
If men are doing something and are expected to behave a certain way, women should follow the suit, obviously.
I don't know if I agree with everything of that because back then, if you're talking about going all the way back where the woman cooks, cleans, does everything, she stays at home with the kids, everything like that, right?
And then she gets courted, she goes on that date, right?
They were also encouraging men to.
Have their mistress.
They were also, that was being allowed.
Kings were able to have their people, and then, you know, Henry VIII cuts the head off and move on to the next.
You know what I mean?
How many kings are there in the nation typically?
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Okay, so of the peasantry, like, of the traditional nobles.
My point is, if you're talking about traditions, then the tradition keeps changing.
So then it went to, okay, then it's not a problem.
It's never been, I mean, generally speaking, it's never been the tradition for the average person to have a mistress.
It's always been frowned upon, even in Bridgetton recently.
It's frowned upon, but it's It's not like you don't know.
It's like an unspoken thing.
It's like an unspoken thing that people were letting it happen.
What's in the Bible?
They were allowed to have multiple wives.
There's like stories.
There's like a story in the Ten Commandments.
In Islam, they have concubines.
Concubines, yes.
Isn't there a story in the Bible?
I watched a biblical movie.
My bad.
Sorry.
But there are stories where men were about to breathe their helpers.
In Islam, they allow, I believe, for like four wives or something.
And concubines.
But the Bible, that's not...
The Bible doesn't allow for polygamy.
Well, I'm not saying it allowed, but like there's a it's like it's a sin in the Bible, it's a sin, but there was like the normalization of it in society.
If it's a sin, it's definitely not normalized in the Bible.
It's always been a thing where men have always tried to have their mistress.
It's been a thing, maybe culturally at certain times, always frowned upon, even going back to you know, silly little Bridgerton, uh, it's been frowned upon to have a mistress, but it's definitely not normalized.
I'm not claiming that it's not a sin.
I'm just saying there are stories in the Bible about it, maybe.
Frowning upon that given person, but it's not been normalized in the Bible and it's not been, you know, encouraged.
But can you say it hasn't been normalized in our society?
Because it's called normalized in the Bible.
That's what you guys were first talking about was is she deserving because of the two date thing in one day, right?
And then you went and talked about, well, if the guy wants to pay for the date, then the girl has to be traditional.
What is the traditional that you want in this day and age?
Are we able to have that?
Because there are homes where it's not traditional in any aspect, there's homes that it's traditional, but There's going to be exclusions or exceptions in there.
So, where is the cutoff for anybody and everybody?
I will tell you.
I know what you're asking about, and I think it's very important for me to say that I'm certainly not arguing for women to go back to the kitchen, stand barefoot, and bake sourdough.
That's not my point.
But you're not arguing for that?
I'd actually be down for that.
Because that sounds great.
I'd actually be down for that.
And I would love to do this every day, but I think it's very important to know that it's not good to be radical on either side of the spectrum these days.
That's not radical.
Wait, wait, that's not radical.
We're talking about women back when they had no voting rights, no legal rights.
We're going back to the King's conversation right now in here as well.
Well, how far back are we going?
Before the first wave of feminism, certainly.
You're going to the 60s and 70s, too.
I watched the change.
In the 60s and 70s was the sexual revolution.
Women burned bras, all this stuff.
That's what changed a lot of things that are happening today.
I was there, I'm part of history.
No, but we were, your question was how original, how traditional are we actually talking, right?
I just feel like if we're going to talk about it.
50s.
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It went from okay, we date one person, we get married, or you get put into a family and you get married, and then it went to okay, we can both date other people until we're exclusive.
Then I can still go on these dates, these dinner dates, where I can go hang out with people.
That was the normal.
Now that people are, you know, how you guys are saying, like, you have to be honest.
Let's be honest.
When you sit down at a table and someone is confessing everything about them, you instantly get turned off, or throughout the night, you're like, okay, there's too much.
Like, let's be honest when it comes to it.
For every single aspect of our humanity, we have to have that, what is it?
Discernment.
We have to discern what we give to other people, that information, right?
If we give too much, we're automatically not liked.
If we give too little, we're boring.
So there has to be a back and forth.
There has to be a minimum, right?
But when it comes to dating, when it comes to dating, for whether it's two people in one day or two people in a week or two people in a month, if they're not having sex or doing whatever Brian was talking about, if they're just having a dinner, what is wrong with?
Somebody having a dinner and then that guy wanting to pay, and then going on a Wednesday and that guy wanting to pay.
Disrespectful.
Why is that so?
I don't think you and I actually know because you and I are actually not that far off.
We are not that far off.
We are not that far off our views.
But the bottom line is we don't have to go back to, you know, how far back tradition are we going to go back to just give basic respect to another human being.
And I believe that if you are starting, if you're going on a first date with someone, right?
So, and if you are both meaning to.
Make something more of it.
So at the same time, when you're meeting someone for the first time, the general first question is, What are you looking for?
And somebody usually says, Do you know what?
I am looking for a long term relationship.
I am looking for, I don't know, a fag buddy.
But then you know, if you're looking for a relationship, you're not going to commit to that person, right?
And once you establish on that first date, you are both looking for a long term relationship.
You are giving your full undivided attention to that person.
And you are not going on another date, as you said, the same week with another person, because you are actively now giving your whole attention to the person where you both said you are looking for a committed relationship.
Okay, so I don't know how long you want to be dating, but if I'm dating one person, I do that every single time I have talked to somebody.
I would be dating until I'm 80.
Nobody gives up the first thing.
Nobody is.
Sitting there and being like, I don't understand.
If I say, let's go on a date, if we let's go on a date, I never had that problem.
So, I don't okay.
So, where are you from?
Because where I'm from, and the IE, if you date one person at a time, every single time, I grind you that guy is not going to hold on.
This is totally incoherent.
This idea that women like you're not going to be able to maximize your dating prospects if you try to date people one at a time.
Think of it this way let's say you go on one date a week, which frankly, I think is a lot.
Like, I think that's a lot.
And I ultimately think that this idea that, oh, I need to go on seven dates in a week and I need to stack multiple dates, that's completely ridiculous.
How many?
How is that?
I wasn't saying it in that.
That craziness.
And so ultimately, like, okay, if you go on one date per week, that's 52 first dates in a year.
Let me finish.
If you're going on 52 first dates in a year, That's one per week.
Could you even remember all the names?
And you're not finding your person.
Like, you gotta readjust either kind of who you're going out with.
You need a vet better.
But I'm sorry, 52 dates in one year.
So you're saying, oh, I'm gonna be, if I only date one person at a time and one date per week, I'm never gonna find my person.
Again, that's 52 individual people a year if you go on one date per week.
Like, how many dudes are, honestly, it's also gotta be overwhelming.
Like, how do you, Who has the energy to date fucking seven people in a week?
That's crazy.
That depends on where you find these people.
Where are you finding these people?
Only figure three.
Where are you finding these people?
And isn't it up to the individual dating us?
Okay, yeah, everything's up to the individual.
But the point here is ultimately, I think, look, if you're a woman and you're dating all these guys at the same time, and from the male perspective, maybe you as women can't really relate to this, it just seems like a pretty raw deal that I'm going to go on a date with a woman and then right after me, perhaps this is more realistic.
She has another date plan with a different guy.
I'm like, so I'm supposed to treat you to like a night out and then you're going on a date.
After what if we're having a really good time?
What if I want to take you to dessert?
You're, oh, sorry, I got to go.
I'm going to go meet Billy.
Like, I would feel it's disrespectful.
I probably wouldn't even want to go on the date if she told me.
But how do you know if you're going to even commit to her?
You need to have a first date.
That's a barrier to entry.
That's a barrier to entry to even know if you're even going to commit to her on the first date.
A first date for a man.
That pays for on the first date shows discipline, it shows commitment, it shows how he is willing to actually do what he can for a woman when he finally does commit to her.
Right, so I understand.
And men have been able to date and it's okay, but when, especially in my time and era, and all of a sudden women are dating, I mean, you're dating to see if you like someone or if you like, you know, who you like, what you like, especially when you're younger.
You're trying to figure out who you are and what you're looking for when you're younger.
Yeah, well, that's what I was saying is a great idea, I think.
You need to see what kind of relationships you want, who you want to be in.
Right, but again, like, okay, if we break it down in just when you're okay.
Just a date.
Let's say a woman starts dating at 18, and so she goes on one date per week, which apparently to some people on the panel, that's like really minimal.
That, like, whoa, you're really like hampering down on your options or whatever.
That's 52 dates in a year if you go on one per week.
That's 52 individual men.
You said that.
Like, how long does it take you to find a guy?
Like, ultimately.
Like this idea that you got to be stacking dates and like going on multiple dates per week.
Look, you can do it.
And if you find that to be the most effective strategy for you as a woman to do, I guess by all means.
But I'm speaking strictly from the perspective of hey, if you're going on that many dates, I'm just going to assume that you're not really all that inclined to actually pursuing something serious.
You're probably just dating around.
You've got, okay, if I'm going on a date with a girl, let me put it in this perspective.
How about this?
Let me frame it like this.
Because I'm throwing in, okay, some guys come inside her.
She's stacking three dates in a night, two dates in a night.
How about this?
Maybe this is more realistic.
I go on a date with a girl.
Say I meet her on a dating app.
And on the date, I'm like, so how long have you been on the apps?
Oh, okay, you just got on.
You got any other dates lined up or anything?
And she tells me, oh, yeah, I got a date.
Say it's a Wednesday on the date.
Oh, I've got a date tomorrow and then Friday and then Saturday and then Sunday and then Monday.
Like, say it's just the next four days she has dates.
And I'm like, oh, okay, well, what about the weekend after that?
If Rita and I already got some days planned.
So, say she's got seven dates planned.
Knowing that, let's say, okay, it's three hours in on the date, and I know that she's got all these other dates planned.
And I'm like, listen, I had a really good time.
I'd like to take you on another date.
I know that you have a date tomorrow.
Cancel that date.
And she says, no.
She says, no.
She's like, look, Brian, I'd be down.
But she says, I'd be down to go on another date with you.
I had a really good time.
But, you know, I want to.
I told these guys I'd go on this date with them.
I want to, you know, see if maybe it's a better fit with them.
In that situation, in that situation, I think when the check comes, that's an expression of her inner feelings.
If she says no after that, then I understand because that's an expression of her inner feelings.
You have come across to her emotional.
You're not worthy enough to her.
Well, I don't think it's necessarily, like, don't you think it could be the case?
That she could have really enjoyed the date, but she wants to see maybe one of these other guys is a better fit.
Well, maybe she's more promiscuous then because some women go on dating apps to find the one to find their man.
Some women go on dating apps for free dinners to like you said to have a good time, you know, to see what's out there, play the field.
I get that, right?
But if but if you actually clicked and hit it off and you thought it from your side as well, and she probably felt it from her side, but she's like, nah, I don't want to do that.
Well, no, she's and I understand that she wants to go on another date, but the thing is.
She's now just told me, but I do want to, those other dates I had scheduled, I do want to go on dates with them.
Maybe we can do it in like a week or two.
And at that point, I'm like, from the male perspective, I would simply just think, I mean, hey, she's down to go on another date with me, but that's not the kind of dynamic I want to have.
You don't need to do that then.
So in that case.
Fair enough.
Later, two checks, please.
Is this discouraging for good men that just want to find.
An actual, you know, how did you find out she's going on?
But this is a slightly different situation than the everyday average dating pool situation.
You'll be surprised.
Well, the difference there is, oh, you know, do you?
Hold on, yes, I can't tell you.
You're sorry, so I do know.
Oh, really?
I thought you didn't go on a lot of dates.
No, I've heard from my friends who have experiences.
You don't have to have a lot of dates.
Wait, wait, stop.
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All serious dating.
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I agree.
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Uh huh.
But some of those women are always.
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If, uh.
If the girl is fucking other dudes.
Well, that's a different thing than dating.
What if the dude is fucking other guys?
They're two different things.
Well, there's not an expectation.
It's like, what can the woman withhold?
I mean, maybe don't fuck the guy.
Like, don't sleep with the guy.
But that's a.
If you're fucking other guys and meeting other guys religiously, that's a hoe.
You're hoeing yourself out.
Sometimes you don't know if a woman is a hoe for show.
I understand that.
But as a man, going on a dating app, regardless, You're taking a risk because women are not always going to tell you the truth, especially if you meet on a dating app.
You're taking a risk, you know.
You know that there's an abundance of men, an abundance of a dating pool out there that she's swiping left, swiping right on.
You should automatically know, especially if it's Tinder or one of them apps, you know, you don't exactly know which one, but so I understand you're taking a risk, so you can't question that, yes.
But so I understand that individual men will encounter situations where they go on dates with women where the woman is not necessarily being upfront with her.
Other dating prospects, or maybe she's got friends with Ben, whatever it is, right?
But I'm saying here, sitting at the table, talking about dating dynamics, having like a discussion about the dynamics between men and women, having a bird's eye view, looking down at the chessboard of dating, it would occur to me that it's like fucking bullshit that men should have to pay for dates if the woman is being a hoe or dating a bunch of guys.
It's a complex situation, but in the world, what if she turned your butterfly?
One second, I'm talking.
So if Looking down on the specific situation that you stated, I agree a man shouldn't pay for that specific date.
But in the realm of dating, on a normal dating situation, yes, he should pay for the date.
Sure, I'm happy to agree with you on that.
Well, there we go.
May I interject?
Because I feel like I've been high maintenance.
Have you ever paid for a man on a date?
What do you think?
Have you gone on two dates on the same day?
Why don't you just tell me, have you?
Yes.
Yes.
Good for you.
Are you paying for a date?
Cool.
I've definitely paid for a date.
The attitude is kind of, well, okay, cool.
But no, I have.
I'm fine with that.
I mean, I've gone out with guys that are rich and guys that aren't rich.
And if a guy can't afford it, but I like the guy, yeah, I'll treat him.
Why not?
That shouldn't be.
How do you know who can afford it?
That should be.
But if it's a first date, anyway, if I'm Andrew Jackson, I've been steamrolled like seven times.
I believe that the number one way for a man to know that you're not a strumpet is by focusing on one person at a time.
That's why.
Okay, great.
And you can get quality dates when you focus on one person at a time rather than not, because you actually can see the person in front of you, their actions, stay focused on what they are presenting in front of you.
But if you are distracted by multiple other men, you're not going to be able to see who is quality, who steps up.
Also, why not?
Wait, wait, stop, stop, stop.
Let me follow up on that here.
I think you make a very good point.
I think there's two things.
I think women might be pleasantly surprised.
Look, perhaps you might feel like it's not the maximal way to go about things if you are like.
Doing one guy at a time.
But how about this?
Can we agree that it might be the best thing if both men and women, like, let's say there's just some collective agreement, you know, and we just all agreed, you know what, let's do this.
We will, everyone, now this would never happen.
This is obviously hypothetical.
Everyone just agrees to only date one person at a time.
And hey, maybe that only means going on one date and she doesn't like me.
I don't like her.
Neither, both people don't like each other.
I agree.
Both people don't like each other.
And then it's like, hey, it didn't work.
Onto the next one.
But I think when you get in situations where you're dating multiple people, it's like, at least from the male perspective, and I don't know if women feel this way, but maybe even you as women feel like an apprehension to, like, okay, this guy's like dating three girls.
He's fun to hang out with, but like, do I want to give him my attention?
But then, similarly, from the male perspective, if I know a girl's like dating other men, first off, I want nothing to do with her.
Some men are a bit more tolerating of that.
I want a girl's Undivided attention.
Is this a question?
Undivided attention.
She's laughing, but undivided attention.
Now, look, I think realistically, first date, it might be unrealistic.
It depends on the context.
First date might be somewhat unrealistic going in, but I could say something like, look, I had a good time with you.
Maybe you want to see me, maybe you don't.
This isn't actually what I'd verbatim say, but if you want to go on a second date with me, this is not what I'm saying, but what I'm trying to convey or what I would want.
If you want to go on a second date, it has to be a wrap with the other guys.
If we're going to pursue things, it has to be a wrap with other men.
That's how it should be.
Now, truthfully, of my more recent dating excursions, well, at least since I started the podcast, not to say that I haven't shot my shot here and there, the majority of women I've dated in the past three to four years, they've all reached out to me.
So I have much more leverage in that situation to be like, you want to come fly out to see me?
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You need to be 100% properly single.
There can't be other dudes in the picture.
First date, I guess, technically.
Yeah, you can't be seeing other guys.
Oh, you're dating a guy?
Hey, maybe come back to me in six months when you're properly single, but I don't want to deal with a woman who's dealing with other men.
That's a completely different situation.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You're saying if you're dating a person, not going out on dates.
Because I think it's very good for people to date someone, go out to dinner, coffee, maybe go to the park, whatever, get to know each other a little bit.
But if you like someone, you tell them and you stop going out on anything.
Because you like each other.
That's usually what would happen.
But dating is dating.
Relationships and having a relationship and then going on a date with someone isn't really dating.
Just building on that as well, you said.
Can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
Just building on that as well, you mentioned that if she cold approached you through DM.
Yeah.
We were talking about dating apps.
Dating apps and cold approaching.
Not necessarily.
Well, that's what we were mentioning earlier.
Dating apps.
Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
One of the examples I gave.
Was in a dating app circumstance.
However, this could be like in any of the ways that people typically meet.
Okay.
But a lot of people do meet online on dating apps.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that.
But what we were mentioning earlier, specifically dating apps previously, and now you're talking about Instagram, cold approach.
I understand if women approach you first and they are dating around and you have a preference for women that are specifically single, I totally understand that.
Agree with that.
Cool.
But if women are on dating apps, you're putting yourself at risk regardless.
So you're accepting that completely that, okay, she might be dating rounds, she might be fucking other guys, she might be dating other guys, but I'm willing to take that risk as a man to filter out which women are for me.
So you can't really say, oh, okay, I'm not going to accept her because she's dating other men.
You're on a fucking dating app, of course she's gonna be dating other men.
Well, I think there's a degree, it's to degrees, it's to scale, it's to severity.
So, of course, if you're on a dating app, like there's a good chance.
Now, to be fair, I think there's also sometimes on dating apps where women are kind of selective and they're not just like bombarding date after date after date.
They are more desirous of like a long term thing.
I think a lot of like Hinge, for example, I think a lot of women on Hinge are probably looking more so for long term relationships.
Now, there are like more dating apps that tend to be more hookup, although people can find long term relationships on like Tinder, and I haven't been on these apps in years.
But I do think you do, to be charitable to your position, I do think it is the case that, yes, if you are meeting a woman on a dating app, realistically speaking, like you're probably going to have to accept that she is at minimum, not saying she's like fucking all these guys, but she's like going out on dates with other men.
I don't agree.
Can I interject?
Yeah.
Because that is.
Again, could be an exception from the rule.
No, I think it's probably fair to assume.
I have used Pinder.
No, no, I do think it's fair to assume.
Wait, wait, hold on.
I do think it's fair to assume if you're meeting someone on a dating app that there's a good.
Well, okay, yes, there can be given women who are not moving like that, but I would say the majority of women probably are who you do meet on dating apps.
Not saying they're fucking all these guys, but they're probably going on like one or two dates a week.
I think it's not, perhaps more.
I don't think it's unreasonable, like going in that you should maybe assume that they're.
Probably dating other guys.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Dating apps are like window shopping, honestly.
Like, what do you expect to get off a dating app?
Like, you're gonna have to go, you're swiping.
There are good people there.
Yeah, but most of the time, like, someone doesn't have genuine intentions.
Like, even if it's a woman or a man, but usually, like, yeah, like, you're literally sitting there, like, hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
That's kind of hinge.
I feel like in my generation, something I come across a lot is like, I go out on a couple dates.
It's like, I'm not going out with anyone else during this period.
And then the guy kind of pulls away, right?
And he's making excuses about it, like, oh, I'm busy.
And it seems like maybe he's not super interested anymore.
And that's the point where it's like, okay, maybe I'll try going out with somebody else, but I'm not going to be like, I'm never going to see this guy again.
It's just like, isn't that you don't want to cut it then?
Because you can, you know, as you said, you are able to read the room.
You can feel that his intentions aren't exactly fully on you.
So if you can feel it, my personal advice as someone just a slightly bit older and having also had bad.
Dating experience with guys like that, don't give them your time of the day and even consider leaving.
I said, Are you saying that these are guys that you went on dates with?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's probably because they saw your TikTok.
They saw your TikTok and, like, she's.
What was her TikTok?
What's on your TikTok?
Lay the TikTok.
Here, let me, let's do this.
We've been on this topic for a while.
I need to get everybody else's relationship status.
But, okay.
What about you?
Where are we?
We're still.
An hour later.
I'm in a monogamous.
Relationship.
I've been with him for, I've been dating him for almost two years now, but we've been together for less than a year.
Okay.
Longest relationship?
I think three or four.
How many cups do you have?
She's playing beer pong.
I know I'm getting beer pong.
What is it?
Okay.
All right.
Three years, you said?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Relationship?
I am engaged.
Engaged?
I have been with my fiance about seven years, but we got engaged in October.
All right.
That's my longest relationship.
Thank you.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Single.
All right.
How long have you been single?
I think we should leave it for a guest for everybody till the end of the show to figure out.
No, come on.
This is a good one.
A kind of a good one.
And if you can guess how long it's been since I had sex, I kind of like that.
That's kind of an interesting.
I'm old enough to kind of.
I don't know.
It's within the past 14 days, you fucked.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's a compliment.
That's a long time.
All right, who else?
Okay.
No, no, no, we're not going to do that.
We don't have time for that.
Answer the question, please.
How long?
10 years.
Since you had sex?
Yes, since I've had sex.
Okay, but what about relationship?
How long have you been single for?
Oh, it's been about 10 years.
10 years.
Okay, so you've been celibate for 10 years.
Me, too.
I don't really go on dates as much.
Okay, weirdo.
I was calling her a weirdo.
What is weird about it?
Wait a minute.
No, I was calling her a weirdo.
Don't worry about it.
Longest relationship you've ever had?
Probably technically 10 years.
Ever married?
Yes.
Any kids?
No kids.
No.
Okay.
You were married once, twice?
Once.
Okay.
Who initiated the divorce?
We actually, neither of us did at one point.
We just kind of.
Split where we're living in different places and doing some things, and our lives kind of moved in a different direction.
All right, nothing big.
What about you?
Relationship status single for how long?
About a year and a half now.
1.5.
All right, longest relationship a year is that the one from 1.5 years ago?
No, no, that was about six months, and the one before him was a year.
So I've only had two boyfriends, and the first boyfriend was a year.
Okay, who broke up with who in the year relationship?
I broke up with him.
The most recent relationship, who broke up with who?
I broke up with him as well, actually.
All right.
And then you've been single for a year and a half.
Are there any guys in the picture currently?
I've dated a guy, a couple guys, I'll say.
At the same time?
Same time, no, not the same day.
Um, I know you would have wanted it the same day, but no, not the same day.
Um, yeah, I've created a couple guys.
Uh, it hasn't really gone anything long term, but you know, hopefully in the near future, we'll see what happens.
I'm selective, so all right.
Uh, so there is a guy in the picture.
Um, right now, there, no, there's not a guy in the picture.
No, how long have you been celibate?
Celibate, maybe like a week, one week.
Yeah.
So where's that guy?
I mean, I still chat to him here and there, but it's not like a relationship.
Where's he?
Is he in Miami?
Yeah, Miami, yeah.
Was it Myron?
No.
Why would you say that?
No, it was Mo.
Big Mo.
Fuck no.
You don't like a chunky guy?
No, no, no.
I'm into like athletic build, you know, good looking, yeah.
Okay.
But he's in Miami.
He is in Miami.
Okay.
All right.
So that's your ting.
That's my ting.
It's your ting.
All right.
That's my ting.
It's Tuesday in it.
You know how it is.
Can you say a bottle of water?
Why does every American want me to say this, man?
It's so fucking cringe.
Bottle of water.
That's my guy.
Dude, that's so funny.
Relationship status?
I'm single.
How long have you been single for?
For about probably four months.
Four months.
Any ever married?
No.
Any kids?
Yes.
How many kids?
One.
She's 19.
19.
Okay, so that's from, you know, back in the day.
Longest relationship?
I would say eight years, almost nine years.
Was that the father?
No.
Okay, different relationship?
Yes.
The father, how long was that relationship?
It wasn't very long.
So we had a baby and we weren't compatible.
And no, it was a one night stand.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
We were dating for like probably about a year, maybe.
A year?
Yeah.
How soon into the relationship did you get preggers?
We broke up and then we came back together.
And then as soon as we came back together, I became pregnant.
I think that was his goal.
I see.
Okay.
You know, I have a beautiful daughter now.
Okay.
All right.
And any guys in the picture currently?
No, just meeting people.
I mean, that's about it.
Meeting people.
Okay, gotcha.
And what about you?
I'm single, and I've been single for four years.
All right.
Longest relationship?
Three years.
All right, three years.
Any guys in the picture currently?
I have a person.
What does that mean?
I like him.
We're talking, but we're not like.
I've gone on one date with him, but I've never.
How long celibate?
Two years.
How long celibate?
Well, recently.
A couple months.
A couple months.
Wait, I got a.
How long?
Okay.
How long celibate?
A little over a year.
A year?
Yeah.
You've been celibate for a year?
Okay.
Yeah, a little over a year.
All right.
Toss kids.
Okay.
What about you, relationship status and celibacy, period?
I'm single.
I have been celibate for almost a year.
Okay, celibate for one year.
All right.
Single for how long?
For about a year and a half.
One year?
Okay, longest relationship?
Four ish years on and off.
Any kids?
No.
Ever married?
No.
Okay, what about you?
Single for a year and a half.
Been married before divorced, no children, and actively trying to date people, but one person at a time.
Important to note.
Celibate for how long?
About a month.
Oh, but you've been single for a year and a half.
I mean, yeah, I was dating somebody on multiple dates.
We started to sleep with each other, and then it never led to a relationship, one reason or another.
After what date, though?
Oh, good question.
Definitely not the first ever.
Oh, definitely not.
Definitely not the first ever.
But like, how many times after you hooked up, like, was it after the first time you hooked up that it?
I wouldn't consider something that you are seeing somebody, let's say for a month, and then you find out that this person has been seeing multiple people at the same time.
I would never.
Sorry?
Was he?
That's what I found out.
So I wouldn't consider him to be my boyfriend.
But was he lying?
Yes.
No, but like you.
But so you guys had carnal knowledge.
Apple doesn't.
And then, how soon after the carnal knowledge did you, did things end?
Sex.
After you had sex with him, when did it end?
Wow, I don't exactly remember.
I didn't take a note of that.
Okay, wait, here, I'll make it super simple.
How many times did you have carnal knowledge?
Perfect.
She doesn't know what carnal knowledge is.
Can you break it?
Yeah, I understand.
Piness is.
I didn't count it.
We were actively seeing each other a few times a week.
You know, they're going on dates and doing normal things every day.
I don't need to know how many pumps there were.
If you are dating somebody for a month and you have sex with them for the first time after.
How many dates?
He wants to know how many inches he has.
Halfway through two weeks.
I don't know, 10 times?
But it looks like.
Okay, so it wasn't like.
After 10 dates?
No, that's not what I said.
All right.
Yeah, okay.
All right, there you go.
Say lap three.
Come on.
Was it curved?
Let's be good.
Which way did it curve?
Who counts how many times you see?
I don't know.
Wait for that.
Question number three.
Question number three.
Question for the woman.
Would it be better?
Like, would you feel worse if you only had sex with a guy once and then, like, it didn't work out?
Or y'all futz like 10, 20, 30 times and then it doesn't work out?
Like, which one makes you feel worse?
I think once.
I think once.
Really?
Yeah.
Well, how long after does it not work out?
You build a connection.
Yes.
You build a connection with the guy.
You create more bonds with that person.
Maybe it's a chemical bond.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
It's a different.
Kind of hurt, yeah.
Yeah, it's like different, like, damn, I smashed once.
I feel like once is because you finally thought that you gave yourself to someone emotionally, spiritually.
You know, that energies are formed when you actually have sex with people, so energies are connected once you have sex with someone.
So, once you actually physically give yourself to somebody and you think they're worthy of your sexual interaction and then they just ghost you, obviously that's going to hurt more than once you've fucked someone multiple times because you feel like they're worthy because you've actually given it to them multiple times.
And guys do that a lot.
The first thing, unfortunately, is painful.
I feel like if you spend more time and energy on somebody, it's more discouraging and more hurtful.
Because you get emotionally attached to somebody.
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
That's why you would want to have sex with them in the first place.
And you get emotionally attached and then they ghost you.
That's going to hurt more.
You've had sex 30 times.
There's a lot of oxytocin.
It's going to hurt me more than if I said it with someone.
Yeah, totally.
From a woman's perspective, you don't release that amount of oxytocin at all.
What are you talking about?
Oxytocin.
And this is a bit of a story.
It's like the neurotransmitter.
Fuck, are you doing your shots?
Over there, what are you talking about?
No, no, she's completely correct.
No, yeah, correct.
Hey, hey, hey.
What?
Remind me what I said.
No sidebar.
Yeah, please don't sidebar, please.
Yeah, so I wonder from the male perspective, though, like if a girl was going to cut things off, would I want her to cut it off, like just after the first one?
Nah, I'd want to hit at least like 10 times, I think.
See, that's the best.
So you put in all that energy for 10 times to hit it 10 times.
You put in all that energy, calls.
Text, messages, pretending that you care about her fucking life.
You put all of that in.
I'm not going to do all those things.
Okay, so what do you do for her to keep coming back, recurring 10 times?
What do you do?
That's so interesting.
Make him do his laundry.
I wasn't making a claim about that, but.
Right.
Ultimately, though, yeah, I think at least you want to hit like at least four times, you know?
Okay, so what would you do to make her recur, want to hit that four times?
It's not that deep.
I wasn't even making the claim.
What are you so interesting about?
I wasn't even making the claim.
I think he's just trolling.
Well, I mean, I assume that if.
If she wants to continue seeing me, then.
It's either status.
If you don't bring anything to the table, status, money, fame, that's all you got to offer.
Like, if you don't have a personality, you don't have anything, any substance, what else do you have?
I'm not saying you don't have, but I'm just saying if you don't have, if you didn't have any of that, what else would you bring to the table?
Money, status.
Are you asking in general or are you asking specifically what am I bringing to the table?
What I bring to the table?
You want me to bring to the table?
Absolutely.
Tell you what, remind me in two hours and I'll answer the question.
We'll get to that.
We'll have everyone go around the table.
Well, now I feel tempted to just answer it right now.
You might as well.
I feel tempted to just answer it right now.
So, okay, what do I bring to the table?
Well, let's see here.
On the looks front, frankly, not much.
To be fair, though, I'm tall, blue eyes, dark hair.
Up for the better.
But I need to lose some weight.
I'm a little chubby right now.
Speaking of which, I do want to talk about.
Fatness, uh, speaking as I am an expert witness on the subject, I do want to talk about that, but uh, not much on the looks front, to be fair.
I think I'm like average, maybe a bit below average looking.
If I lost weight, I think I could get to like solid 5.5, you know?
Yeah.
Maybe work on the skin clarity.
Um, but beyond just looks, and I think women's looks are important, but I think there's ways men can bolster their attraction to women in ways beyond just looks.
Is that the way you kind of like allow yourself to take that into consideration so you don't like hurt and cry yourself to sleep at night?
Sorry, what?
Repeat that?
I said, is that a way you kind of take that in and allow yourself to not cry yourself to sleep every night?
What do you mean by being self aware that I'm chubby?
Make sure you're coping with that.
Yeah, to say like, yeah, make sure it's not like a coping mechanism.
How's it cope if I'm self aware?
Same like saying like you're like slightly chubby and like it's my skincare that doesn't get me get girls.
Whoa, wait, that doesn't make me chubby.
It's not the way that I approach women.
It's just my looks and, you know.
No, the question you asked was, you're completely off topic.
The question you asked was, what do I bring to the table?
And I was, so one of the ways that people can bring something to the table is looks, but I'm affirmatively making the claim that it ain't my looks.
So, like, I don't know if you're, there's no cope occurring between the two.
Oh, okay, cool.
You're talking elsewhere about, not about looks then.
No, no.
What I'm saying is, I'm like laying out, like, there are some, perhaps, I was laying out, like, the benefits.
Looks wise, that I minimally provide, which is I am on the taller side, blue eyes, which is typically preferential, and dark hair.
That's sort of like the preferred phenotype.
But moving aside from that, my looks are really not doing the heavy lifting here.
So I would say there's a couple things.
On the topic of money, for example, I think women are typically looking for men to be providers.
If a woman is, I would say I lean more on the traditional side.
I think women who want a more traditional dynamic.
They would get that with me.
I'm going to be taking care of everything.
The woman, whoever I'm going to be with long term, is never going to have to have a job.
She's not going to have to work.
Everything's going to be provided for.
Yeah, I'm doing well.
I'm successful.
So that's one of the benefits.
I'm not saying that's the only thing that I bring.
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That's one of them.
And I think that that is, in terms of my, I'm not going to tell you how much I make a year, but I put myself in the top 1% of earners.
So some women are going to view that as a value proposition, some women aren't going to care.
So there's one.
I think in other dimensions, I'm not a drug addict.
I don't do drugs.
I don't smoke.
I don't drink.
Unless somebody pops a ball of champagne.
Is that how low the bar is?
Well, so it depends what we mean.
So I think a lot of women, so I agree with you, I think that sobriety ought to be a baseline.
But how many people have drinking problems?
How many people have drug problems?
If it is the case that, say, women are encountering when they're dating, say, 50% of men either have a drinking problem, a drug problem, they smoke cigarettes, maybe we can collapse all those into one thing, like people who use substances.
I don't know what the percentage is, but I think it might be.
I think it might be the majority of men, maybe not alcoholics, but like perhaps men who drink more than they ought to.
Now, this might not be a big value proposition for a woman who drinks alcohol, but for a woman who doesn't drink alcohol, who also is more.
And when I say sober, it's not like I used to be an alcoholic.
I've never been interested in drugs, never had a drug problem, never did drugs.
I smoked weed a couple times in high school, but it's been a long time.
Do you drink alcohol now?
If somebody pops a ball of champagne here, I'll have like this much.
I don't drink.
I don't go out to bars.
I don't go out to clubs.
I don't party.
So that might not be a huge thing, but some women might value that in the sense that I'm not like going out to bars and clubs.
Some women might value that.
Not all women.
But yeah, I barely drink.
The only time I do drink is when I'm on the show.
I don't have other forms of addictions.
Like I don't play video games.
Again, I used to.
Porn addiction?
No, in a relationship, I don't watch porn at all.
No.
I don't follow girls on Instagram.
I'm not like.
And this is a complaint that I do hear from some women.
Now, you might say, well, this is very baseline stuff.
With you, and I do agree.
I think it should be the baseline.
Men should not be like following Instagram thoughts and they shouldn't be like liking girls and gooning to women over Instagram.
You better not come and see me.
What's that?
Wait, what?
You have a baby with Sophie Rain.
That was an April Fools thing I posted that was an AI generated photo.
I was about to go off on you, boy.
That is fucking insane.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I might do it for the bag, but probably not, though.
But, anyways.
So, you watch porn when you're not in a relationship?
Very moderately, like if I'm not, you know.
Well, type.
Okay.
Like, yeah, I'm not.
But if you're.
No, look, if you're.
Part time.
Well, I think generally speaking.
I would say, generally speaking, whether you're in a relationship or not, men should move towards as minimal or no porn consumption as possible.
But look, if, you know, you're not in a relationship, you want to bust a nut or whatever, you need a little release, you watch porn for 30 minutes, I think the harm is.
30 minutes.
The harm is.
I think there is a degree of, like, The there is to porn can be detrimental and is detrimental to a degree.
It is well, uh, are you from a consumption perspective?
I would say, like, I would compare it a bit to alcohol.
Okay, you go out once a month and have like a beer with a friend, that's different than the person that's binge drinking every single day.
Yeah, so the person who's like porn addicted and it's like impacting their relationship, but the guy who's single and he watches porn like for 30 minutes, like two or three times a week.
It's not that it's having some impacts, but I think it's a bit overstated.
Like, I don't think he's like giga fucked in the brain.
I think it's perhaps can have some degree of detrimental, but I think it's kind of minimal.
But generally speaking, in a relationship, zero porn.
Zero porn when you're in a relationship with a girl, your sexual attention and energy should be solely directed.
What if she likes your girlfriend?
That means he's not doing his job properly.
I wouldn't.
Simple.
I would feel if the woman wanted to watch like other porn, I don't know how I'd feel about that.
I mean, like black guys.
I just study.
I don't know.
The only scenario I could think of that I would find perhaps acceptable is if the girl who I'm seeing sends me nudes and.
Not that I would even if she wanted to do this, she wanted me to watch her like the nude she sent me while she's in the room, either fucking me or giving me head or something.
But even then, it's like that's kinky.
But don't lie, you would want that, you would want that.
No, I would desire that.
But you, she was saying if the woman wants it, yeah, what happens if the woman's like, I want to spice it up a little, let's watch something.
No, I don't want to watch another dude on there is ever ways to do that.
So, what porn do you watch then?
Big labia porn.
So, you don't watch a guy fucking another girl?
Generally not.
I prefer when the woman's solo.
Typically, yeah.
That's not common.
I'm not into the.
You know what's actually interesting?
Some of the more degenerate, well, it's all degenerate, but some of the more extreme pornography.
Women are actually more so than men consume violent porn.
Women are the primary consumers of violent porn, rough sex.
That's insane.
Is that an actual statistic?
Yes, there is a study that shows that when it comes to porn consumption, women, maybe it's per capita, consume more per capita violent porn than men.
In the US?
I don't know the specific geography, but it's probably the United States.
In the US per capita, I can understand that.
Elsewhere, I don't think that's true.
I'm not sure.
I don't have enough info on that.
I'm not sure.
Women mostly, I'm not sure.
Okay, what else do I bring to the table, though?
I feel like I haven't finished.
Yeah.
We're still waiting on God.
Carry on with it.
Let's see.
What else?
What else?
Well, okay.
Don't play video games.
I'm not much of a gooner in the sense of porn consumption.
I think this is a value proposition that women can appreciate.
Not liking girls' photos on Instagram.
Don't give a fuck about that.
I'm very, I do want to have a family, have kids.
So if a woman's, I mean, that's pretty, I mean, I feel like that's, maybe we put that aside though, because, I mean, that's kind of duh, basically.
How old are you now?
36.
Okay, and you don't have a family or like girl, like on the show?
He has a girlfriend.
He has a baby.
I don't reveal my relationship status on the show.
She'll get mad if he lies.
For safety, security reasons, just because I get death threats and I'm very private about my private relationship, but you can just assume I'm single.
How about that?
Well, you should accept that from the women also speaking when they have a value of not wanting to put something out there.
I mean, that's the hardest.
Well, I think there's a difference.
Well, one, I think.
I think the difference is I'm engaging in the conversation, but there's a component of interview where it's like, yes, I'll share my perspective, but I'm trying to get information from you guys.
Right.
Fair enough.
This is almost episode 300.
It's like, okay, well, let's just talk about Brian's dating life for the 300th time.
Not the most interesting thing, I think.
But also, I think I have a higher threat level than pretty much all the women here collectively.
I get, like, I'm probably more.
Controversial than all of you.
Fair enough.
I have a bigger platform than all of you.
I'm not saying that's a brag, just I say it as a matter of fact.
And that comes with certain security risks, death threats, et cetera, stalkers.
So I am a bit private.
Like I could have had a girlfriend for, you know, the first two years I was doing the show.
Nobody would ever know.
I don't talk about it.
They don't come on the show.
So I remember you said you were on Bumble for a short period of time.
Yeah.
Are you still on Bumble now?
Oh, I haven't been on dating apps since like 20 minutes.
Early mid 2023, so about three years.
Wait, okay, three years, four years, three years.
Have you been taken since then or been in a?
I've been dating and here and there, I've had some relationships.
So now, yes or no?
Can't answer that question, but uh, I've had relationships throughout the course of uh, situationships.
No, I've had girlfriends of varying lengths throughout the course of the podcast, but I can't get more detailed than that.
But no, not on any dating apps.
Even when I became single again, I was not on any dating apps.
Fair enough.
Dating apps are a big out.
What else do I bring to the table?
Well, I've taken an IQ test and above average, but if you value intelligence.
But I don't know.
I think in some capacities, like I don't think I'm perfect.
Perhaps modesty might be one of the things I bring.
In some ways, I believe I have a degree of humbleness and modesty.
He never shows his duties.
Well, I do need to lose weight, but.
How respectful.
But let's see, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
Overall, though, I think I have, aside from sometimes.
I am self aware to a degree.
I sometimes get frustrated easily and can, at moments, have a temper.
Although that's mostly related to the show, not so much when I'm in a relationship.
You might find this surprising.
I'm actually, although I'm quite high conflict on the show, I'm actually in relationships.
Quite low conflict.
I'm very, I don't want to like argue with my girlfriend.
I'm in relationships.
Like most of the long term relationships I've had have been very low conflict or no conflict, very minimal disputes or arguments.
It's very just get along.
I don't like the toxic element of relationships.
So you might not believe it given how I can sometimes be a bit much.
Yeah, I would say that.
Yes, but so I do say that I have my head on fairly straight.
And you might say that's baseline, but I think how often is it the case that when it comes to dating nowadays that you're finding people who are not fucking crazy?
Losers?
Well, I don't know, but what else?
I feel like I'm forgetting something.
I feel like I'm forgetting something.
Well, we'll just go off that for now and then move on.
What do you think?
Was that sufficient enough of what I bring to the table?
It was decent standard, you know?
Oh, let's see.
Compromising Morals for a Partner00:10:20
I mean, I'm not scared of spiders, that's an important one.
Yeah, I'll take care of that.
I do think that when it comes to protecting, like obviously the household, I am a bit security minded.
So, you know, if we're talking about firearms or.
But I do think when it comes to protecting women, it's not just strictly you're a big buff guy and you're going to beat somebody up.
I think there's a degree of protection that relates to protecting the relationship, protecting your girlfriend or your wife, and protecting your children from threats beyond just physical threats.
I believe that in society there are threats of mind, threats of spirit, political threats, ideological threats that as a man you need to be aware of so you can navigate things.
So it's like, okay, sometimes some parents can be hands off, and if you send your kid to public school, oh, they go to the therapist, the woke therapist at the school, the psychologist for some reason or another, and they want to trans your kid.
I think a man has a duty to protect his family and his kids from not letting the school system from fucking transing your kids.
Intellectual protection.
So, like a spiritual intellectual protection.
And I like to think I, at least from my perspective, my worldview is superior to, like, for example, people who'd be okay, like, letting their kids transition.
You need to protect your child from the system that would enable, and sometimes you might even have to, if that means fucking maybe your girlfriend is like, I mean, not that I would ever date like a soy lib or whatever.
But, like, maybe this was more the case five, 10 years ago.
I could see a guy dating a woman, and his wife or whatever is like, Oh, you know, I don't know, Megan, all these celebrities are transing their kid.
Oh, Megan Fox, all her, she's got like three kids, they're all trans.
What?
No, if you're the man, you're like, No.
Like, if I was married to a woman and she wanted to trans the kids, I'm like, Okay, divorce.
I'm going to fight you in the court system.
Maybe that's why she's got more than one baby daddy.
Well, no, but so, like.
Would you pay for the first date, though?
For what?
But having multiple babies doesn't mean anything.
For a woman.
If you think she's a potential, would you pay for the first date?
You would pay for the first date.
I'm taking care of transgender kids.
That's what I'm saying.
Yes, if I vetted the woman, I'm taking care of everything.
I'm taking care of everything, of course.
Do you think the show has changed your opinions on things?
Oh, of course.
Do you think it's helped?
Yeah, a lot.
But the majority of women that you speak to are under 30, though.
Are they?
I think the average age.
We have on is around 26.
We are, yeah, exactly.
So, under 30, yeah, but that's not like so.
That's their worldview is different to your worldview.
No, that would be very, very close.
Late 20s to mid 30s are extremely close.
He's 36, yeah.
We'll be dating people 30 plus or maybe, maybe under.
I don't know what your preference is, probably late 20s, but 26 and under are that their worldview is absolutely different to what your worldview would be.
Do you think Brian would date somebody that's 26 and under, just like your general opinion?
Do you think he would date somebody?
I mean, since his status and his money has increased, yeah, I think he would.
But he has to compromise his worldview for their worldview.
If he wants to continue dating them, I don't think he'd take someone serious that's under 26.
Well, no, I completely disagree.
So I think that when it comes to agreement on worldview, like, for example, there could be a 36 year old woman who's like giga liberal, super lib, super woke, super democrat.
Meanwhile, there could be a 20 year old woman who.
Is conservative who agrees with me on my various positions.
So, this idea that just because it's a younger woman, she's going to disagree with my worldview, I don't think that's necessarily the case.
Absolutely, I agree with that, but also that's a hypothetical.
Majority of women are delusional when it comes to men's perspective on women, especially younger women.
I'm not saying the variety, but I'm saying the majority of women are delusional when it comes to men's worldview on women.
Well, I just wouldn't.
There's a disagreement of worldview, but she's otherwise good looking and like younger.
If it's such a, like, I don't think I could, like, I wouldn't date a feminist.
So, yeah, if there's a difference in worldview, I wouldn't date that particular younger woman.
But if she matches my worldview and she's like 23 or whatever, you might say, wow, that's a big age gap, right?
Yeah, I understand that.
If she, if I otherwise find her attractive and I feel like it's a good fit and she, she wants to date me.
I mean, younger women have higher sexual market value, so I understand that reasoning for why you would date a younger woman, but the majority of younger women don't have that worldview.
So, if her looks were at top tier, but her worldview and her morals were below or lower tier, would you still date her?
I mean, my preference would ideally be when I meet somebody that she has.
Look, I think you're not going to agree on every single thing, but maybe we're aiming for 80, 90% agreement on certain things.
And then I think I can make a compelling statement, I could perhaps influence her perspectives on things.
Maybe, look, I don't think.
I don't think it immediately has to be a deal breaker if a woman is just like.
I think some people are brainwashed and they have to be unplugged and woken up.
So it's like, okay, a woman might have a perspective.
Now, look, if she's steadfast in it and she's like, Brian, I don't care, I'm never changing my opinion, I'm on to the next one.
But if she seems open minded and maybe she likes a lot of people, when you talk about politics with somebody, a lot of people have very, very superficial, shallow understanding of things.
So, like a 22, 23, 24 year old woman, you know, she might have a perspective that is like the mainstream narrative that she could perhaps change.
Now, would it be my preference that she's just already based to begin with?
Yes.
But I think there can be a degree of like, oh, have you thought about this perspective?
Molding.
Why do you think that?
Not like, not molding necessarily.
In a good way, I'm talking about that.
So, would you compromise your morals for a good looking hot chick?
What do you mean by compromise my morals?
So, say if she's a liberal that believes in, you know, feminist rights, not to the extent that you would say that is, you know, excessive, but she's a feminist to an extent.
But would you compromise your morals in a way that she thinks, okay, women should have X, Y, and Z, and women should be entitled to X, Y, and Z?
Men should pay you for the first date, but, you know, she believes that, you know, men should have a certain outlook on life.
Would you compromise your morals for Probably not, truthfully.
Okay, so your dating pool is secluded to a certain extent.
Well, let me finish the thought there.
I mean, I think that, you know, there are many fish in the pond.
So, this idea like, there's a lot of beautiful women, and not all of those beautiful women, but a good amount of them are going to have strong alignment or close alignment with my perspective.
And I would choose from that pool of women.
I don't feel like it's not some situation where, well, only the liberal women are really hot and all the more conservative or trad women are just ugly.
Absolutely not.
So I would just pick from within the pool.
Now, if somebody has, like, if perhaps somebody can, like, I, but I guess to get to the center of it, if she's a liberal feminist, no, like, yeah, she's good looking, no, I wouldn't date her.
Okay.
I wouldn't date her.
Fair enough.
So the call is you wouldn't date a liberal, but you would date a conservative.
What about if a conservative isn't high on if a man is a misogynist or not?
She's what?
She's a feminist?
Or what do you mean?
I wouldn't say she's a total feminist, but she does hold some feminist views.
Would you still view with that?
Because, as you said previously, that you don't date feminists.
Hey, look, sometimes I look at a woman and I think I can fix her.
However, she's going to, I mean, Look, I think through conversation, sometimes you can, and this could be, it doesn't even have to be someone you're dating.
It could be a friend.
It could be a family member.
You could perhaps, through your rhetoric and your ability, you could present to them a convincing argument that might make them change their position.
They're like, I never thought of it that way.
And in which case, then that's, you know, it's not like an immediate necessary deal breaker.
But again, I would say pick from the pool of people that are kind of already there.
But if she's a feminist, Depending on the severity, for me, I don't want to date a feminist.
So, you would date a feminist depending on severity?
And she has to be broke.
She doesn't even control her finances.
Hold on.
What are you digging for?
I'm digging for gold right now.
I'm trying to see what you're digging for.
Are you trying to be like, gotcha, Brian, you would date a feminist?
No, I'm just interested.
I'm just interested because.
So, generally speaking, I would say, no, I would not date a feminist.
Now, okay, like, it depends though.
Like, what specifically are we talking about?
Like, what is such a gender roles paying on the first date?
What would that have to do with feminism?
But feminism is aligned with traditional moral values, you know, in a dating aspect.
Modern feminism is not about traditional, it's about dating, it's about voting, it's about what women are entitled to.
Yes, it is about that, absolutely.
It's all about just because you're talking about, yes, I understand that, but I'm talking about in a dating.
It's not traditional.
I'm talking about in a dating aspect.
Dating Feminists and Traditional Values00:05:55
I remembered more of what I bring to the table.
I'm highly decisive, very decisive, very much know what I want, very ambitious.
So you care about ambitious women?
No, no, wait, what?
No.
You just said that you do, though.
No, no, I said what I bring to the table.
I was thinking more about what I bring to the table.
Like, I'm never going to be in a situation where a woman is like, I don't know if you've ever had this experience, and I don't know if some women care less than.
Or care more about this is like the you ask your boyfriend, uh, hey, what do you want to do for dinner?
He's like, uh, I don't know, whatever you want, babe.
Some women are fine with that, some women dislike that.
I know what I want to eat all the fucking time.
I'm not, honestly, maybe I'm too far in the extreme.
I'm not, you know, sometimes I'm nice.
Maybe like once a month, I might be like, what are you in the mood for?
Otherwise, I'm like, this is what we're eating.
We're eating this.
That's not bad.
So, I mean, I know what I want.
Okay.
I know what I want.
Okay, there we go.
I wanted to interject something, though, here for everybody.
As you're getting older, and Brian, you said a couple of things that went right into place with this.
Is that you are going to change.
Your ideas are going to change.
Your thoughts are going to change.
And things you desire are maybe going to change.
So everything's adapting in life as you're going along.
So there are some things that you will change.
That I'm going to change?
You could, yes.
Like what?
Like I'm going to drop out of my life?
Anything.
You may get to be my age and be like, I don't have anybody I can date because I didn't find anybody yet.
I don't know what it's going to be.
It could be anything.
And definitely when it comes to dating things like that, you might change some ideas that you have now.
In 10 years, it seems like there's a 10 year turnaround for these types of people.
You could slightly adjust certain opinions, but not definitely.
I mean, your dating reproduces by 40, so you know you have to be more inclusive to what you have around you.
So if your stats are exclusively high, you have to kind of lower the bar to be able to actually have a partner or be able to have somebody that you'd connect with by the age of 40.
I think, hold on, I think, you do not have to.
Compromise on your values.
I didn't say compromise.
Hold on.
Let me finish my thoughts before you keep interrupting.
I'm responding to her.
She was saying that, you know, as you get older, and it is true, as you get older, your dating prospects, your dating pool does tend to shrink.
The quality of your potential partners tends to decrease over time.
There is some discrepancy between men and women on this, a little bit, but yes, over time, you know, if you're a man at 50 and you're a woman at 50, like.
Yeah, it just gets like even in my 30s, like, yes, the dating pool, like, of the people kind of in your age group for women, like, the keepers got kept.
So, yeah, like getting into your 30s gets a little harder.
Getting into your 40s gets a little harder as you get older.
Yes, so that is the case.
Your sexual market value decreases.
Correct.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
But so to your point, you're asking, like, would I settle for a feminist?
Yeah, I don't think on these specific issues, you'd have to tell me what is the specific thing.
But generally speaking, no, I would want a woman who's like, Has pretty close alignment on like most things.
There can be some degree of leeway on certain things.
I don't know.
Like, for example, I don't, and it can be maybe minimal things too.
I don't really like certain kinds of food.
And if she likes that kind of food, like, okay, I don't really care.
Okay.
It's not going to affect how you raise children.
Yeah, these are kind of like more minor things.
Yeah.
But like, I think foundational things like politics, you should not date somebody who you politically disagree with.
You know, there could be one or two things.
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
She likes to want free health care.
Of course.
I mean, some people might have issues with this.
Like, she's like, you know what?
I'd be okay with free health care.
And I'm like, maybe not.
But it's like, you could probably date somebody who has, like, perhaps you have economic disagreements or whatever.
But, like, on certain social issues and, like, dynamics of the relationship, you're going to clash heads.
I don't think it's going to work.
If you have the means for.
Privatized healthcare.
You want to scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
If you have means for privatized healthcare, then there's no reason for her to want to have free healthcare because, as you said, initially when you're dating in the space, then you should be wanting to look at that projection to marriage, to be together for a long time.
So, why would she want to have free healthcare when you have privatized healthcare?
And then you guys as a collective should want to have combined healthcare, which obviously you can provide for.
That is privatized healthcare.
So, that shouldn't really matter too much.
When people are talking about free health care, they're not talking about wanting, well, I mean, sometimes it can be they want the free health care too, but they're typically making like macro level, society wide prescriptions about how they want free health care for everyone.
So, for example, you could be wealthy, but also believe that there should be degrees of social safety nets for the broader population, even if you're a billionaire.
Like, I would never need this particular social safety net.
Healthcare Debates and Membership Models00:07:06
Even as a say, you know, hypothetically, someone's a billionaire, but they can recognize that not all people are billionaires.
Therefore, we should have some social safety nets for those who, you know, aren't as well off as me.
You're not into Obamacare, then.
Okay, hold on.
I gotta move it on, bro.
Okay.
It's her podcast.
It's fucking her podcast here.
It's like we're talking about deity.
Can you read this for me?
Yeah.
Oh.
Brian Atlas is sexy as bunnies with his raw confidence, dominant energy, and no bullshit attitude.
He's successful and stays brutally honest while keeping it entertaining and real.
I didn't know bunnies were sexy.
I didn't know it was fair.
The program changes curse words, so it says sexy as fuck.
Fuck.
Oh, I was like, bunnies?
It changed it to bunnies, I guess.
All right, there you go.
Sexy as X. He's not in a bunny like that.
Now, here's what you're going to do.
My clippers.
You're going to clip Greta saying that.
No.
And then I'm going to use that on my resume.
Show pictures from when I'm younger.
Okay, fuck it.
Pull up my Instagram.
You know, look, I'm a tub of lard now.
I'm a little chubby, you know.
But I'm losing weight.
You know, maybe I got to hit the peptides.
Who knows?
Maybe.
Hey, pull up my Instagram.
Pull up.
Young, young Brian, you know, I was like a scroll down, scroll to the very bottom.
I wasn't terrible, you know, I was like a solid six.
Didn't you used to do like prank videos before you did whatever?
What's that picture there?
Were you a rapper?
Wait, scroll down.
He was like, I'm a rapper.
Before he went viral, he was like, let me go back up.
You know, I was like, he was giving up MM.
You know, I was like, I'll scroll up.
You look good with the mustache.
I'll tear Normie.
Like a Barstool mustache.
I was maybe a six or whatever.
So, anyways, so what do you think you are now?
I give myself a 4.5.
So you were six and now you're 4.5.
You decreased in looks wise.
Yeah, that's literally.
Minus the mustache.
Why though?
That's pretty much what I just said.
Because of age.
Just mold your mustache.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Shit, you know?
Okay, where are we?
Pull up that super chat too, please, and then I'll have.
We were always talking about fatness.
I'll get it.
Oh, that's right.
We were talking about being fat.
Gretel, read this, please.
Okay.
When did it become commonplace for women to wear lingerie as regular clothing?
Wasn't it traditional for that to only be for the bedroom?
How about we start not having your TA out for everyone to see if you want him to pay for the date?
What is a TA?
Tits and offs.
This reminds me of when my grandparents found me a top that wasn't that bad.
It was just a silken top.
It was pretty modest, but they were like, oh, it's lingerie.
What's wrong with you?
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Oh my God.
Who the hell is this?
As long as you can't see this.
Holy shit.
I haven't done the news for you.
That was such a fucking late sample.
Click.
Man, you're a hater.
Chill out, lady.
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Fucking yellow carded.
She's doing it on purpose, though.
She wants to get under my skin intentionally, if you guys haven't noticed.
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Audi Owners and Specific Preferences00:05:41
Actually, funny story, really quick on this.
I got shadow banned on Instagram.
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I have the meta on.
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Bro, it's like they're in Bangladesh.
Like you call them.
I don't know.
They're not very helpful.
I literally, well, and I think I'm shadow banned on there.
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I think I'm shadow banned.
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And quick public service announcement I'm the founder of the nonprofit and grassroots movement, Big Labia Matter, or BLM for short, because all labia can't matter until big labia matter.
As someone who only dates women with large labia, This is kind of like an important thing for me.
You know, there's like all kinds of stuff going on.
There's like deportations, immigration, Ukraine, Venezuela, Iran, Middle East conflicts.
Like, that's all distractions from like the 10,000 labiaplasties a year in the USA alone.
Inflation, the economy, shit is fucked, right?
But like, that's the big thing is the labia.
What's your favorite labia to be associated with?
That's a crazy question.
I'll answer it in just a moment, though.
So, yeah.
It's not a deal breaker if a woman doesn't have an Audi.
Like, I'll still date a woman.
Insane.
But you know, kind of like how women and short guys, how short men have to make up for it.
Like a woman who doesn't have an Audi, she has to make up for it.
How does she do that?
I don't know.
She's like, Your dating pool must be so fucking small.
It's tough out here, you know?
It's tough out here.
That way you're single.
Well, I'll get into that in just a moment, but I would say it's kind of like, look, baseline, she has to cook a steak, but what the fuck, Greta, you dropping shit?
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Like, she's got to be able to cook a steak, but like, if she has an any, She has to be like Michelin star level.
You must be humping your pillow on a day to day because fuck me.
I don't know.
There's a lot of women out there with inies, or excuse me, with Audis who appreciate my.
I'm an ally to women with Audis.
I'm an ally.
It's like a solidarity thing.
And actually, you're asking what I bring to the table.
I think it's a bit rare for a man to have a predilection.
Why does it matter?
So chill out.
You still watch too much porn.
I'm not going to lie.
What would that have to do with porn?
Do women have genitalial preferences?
Does a woman have to watch porn to prefer a man who doesn't have a micro penis?
What percentage of men have micro penises, though?
Well, it could be like women could just prefer a guy who's a bit bigger as opposed to average.
I mean, that's not the majority, though.
What do you mean?
Prefer men who have micro penises, they're not majority.
This is what you do in a relationship.
You just nitpick everything, don't you?
I mean, you know what?
On the first date that matters the most, like I try and say, huh?
You must be a joy today.
Oh, I definitely am more than you, 100%.
More than her, yeah.
Absolutely, you were saying about you know what I should do.
You know what I should do?
I've been thinking about doing this as a new not a segment, but a new format.
I should do like one on one dates on the show and live stream them.
And that would be fun.
I mean, people have been doing that before.
It's interesting.
Yeah, uh, I should do that, and that'd be, um, anyways.
Anyways, that's besides the point.
Let me finish the intro, please.
Oh, my goodness.
Um, but one thing I do bring to the table is I do think a lot of women who have outies are a little self conscious about it.
You know, they're a little, they think men don't like it.
Maybe they've had a boyfriend or a guy make comments, or they've heard men make comments, roast beef, meaty, Arby's.
Uh, beef curtains, wizard sleeve, and I'm you know that song, uh, Baby Got Back by Sir Mixalot.
No, you come on, Baby Got Back.
No, I'm not that old.
How about what the that's like an all time classic, bro?
Don't worry, wait, can you take your applesauce?
Hey, uh, Tiffany, come grab her applesauce off the table.
Um, can I get water too?
I'm so scared, water for these people, yeah.
So it's like, I think that's a value prop proposition.
That's a value proposition for a woman who has an Audi.
She knows, like, oh, this guy's all about the Audis.
She's gonna be like, there's gonna be more of an affinity there because she's like, he likes what I'm working with, as opposed to it being like perhaps a source of potential insecurity.
Like it's just a non issue for them.
So, boom, what I bring to the table.
I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with Audi cars.
What I bring to the table Audi respecter, Audi enjoyer, Audi appreciator.
Fetishizing Fatness and Size Matters00:12:24
Yeah.
So, Innies, you're not into Innies then?
No, it's not a deal breaker, but they have to make up for it.
Okay, but you had to mention Aulties just to like, for your brand, right?
For the brand, yeah, yeah.
No, it's just a genuine, it's actually a genuine preference.
You find it more like attractive, yeah.
I prefer it, yeah.
Uh, so, anyways, back to this guys, if you can't catch the full shows, we have a clips channel, link is in the description.
Uh, we have a discord, discord.ggslash whatever.
We post our stream schedule behind the scenes.
I get hate mail like every single day, so I post that.
Research, uh, studies, a bunch of other stuff.
If you're my Caucasian, you will join the discord.
Uh, let's see what else there is.
Um, Also, we're potentially hiring only if you live in Santa Barbara, though.
Don't DM me if you live somewhere else.
If you're in Santa Barbara and you're watching right now, shoot me a DM.
We're hiring for some stuff.
Okay, so back to the show.
Very delayed, very fucking delayed.
Fatness.
Oh, as the topic?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah.
I mean, it was going to be a super quick thing.
So I think this, right?
What do you guys think about the fat acceptance movement?
I don't think it's a thing anymore, honestly.
They still have conventions.
Like, they're still.
Conventions?
I want to talk about that.
I think it's a really extremely fat person.
Skinniness has almost gotten too out of hand.
Like, the culture of trying to be super skinny.
Like, you see the celebrities, they look like they're dying.
Well, it's got nothing to do with the fatness.
It's because they're like, what they're doing is they're focusing on the vanity and not the health of it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Because I've lost over 100 pounds, and my focus was never like, I want to be skinny.
My focus was like, my knees fucking hurt.
I can't move my arms because my boobs are so fucking big that I can't move.
I can't breathe.
And people are focusing on the vanity of like how to be skinny and beautiful as opposed to be like how to be healthy.
And once that mindset changed, like it just shaved off on its own.
It just started doing it all on itself.
A thousand percent.
I don't even think being super skinny is like attractive either.
Like it's all like, I don't know exactly what it is, but like I feel like having like a little bit of muscle, a little bit of Fat on you is definitely more attractive.
Well, I think skin is too fat as a human.
Exactly.
Because we hold the babies.
Like, we need a little strength in there.
A thousand percent.
How fat is too fat?
Yeah.
You're unhealthy.
What's the obesity guideline?
30% body fat?
Yeah, 30% body fat.
Yeah, me and my, obviously, it's not really relevant anymore.
And we've always published that.
It's a huge hip ratio, right?
If you go to Poland, I don't think you see a lot of fat people, right?
I can assure you, you're.
I went to.
I mean, the president of the president of the president of the president of Any fat people, it was crazy, yeah, in Poland.
So, anyways, uh, but the fat acceptance thing because I, you know, I say this as someone who is a little chunky at the moment and uh, who is a little plump, you know, a little fluffy and accepted amongst men in Ireland, but not women.
I see, but I was thinking about this as a phenomenon and the difference, like, because I have a degree of self awareness about it, and I like, but I can, even though I am currently in the state of being overweight.
I know, for example, like, and I can say, it makes me less attractive.
In general, it makes other people less attractive, but it makes me specifically less physically attractive.
It's less healthy.
It has a negative impact on my dating prospects.
And I think men have a higher degree of self awareness on this specific topic, whereas from women, there seems to be, not even just from overweight women, but even skinny women on the behalf of overweight women.
Do a cope.
And the cope is you're still beautiful.
You're still deserving.
You are still beautiful at any size.
That's actually disrespectful towards that woman.
And I think that, from my perspective, it's not like I acknowledge that it is a deficiency on my behalf.
It's something I should work on.
And I would never say, no, I should stay like this.
I should get fatter.
I should not try to improve.
I'm aware that it is a deficiency.
It's, I look worse because of it.
But there does seem to be a palpable difference between that and what women do when they're overweight, which is the cope, which is like, I genuinely think, like, they're not all fat women, but I think fat women will say, oh, this doesn't have an impact on my dating prospects.
It's like, well, it definitely has an impact on your dating prospects.
You would be assessed as more attractive if you lost weight, you'd have better dating prospects.
But women want to do this thing where they like, Don't want to acknowledge it.
I don't know why.
Anyways, I'm going to get up for a moment, but please discuss your thoughts.
Well, I think it's because men will still fuck a fat woman.
And the fat.
To an extent.
But.
Not to an extent.
I would get a lot of fucking sex when I was really big.
Hold on.
Some guys are into it.
Hold on.
One thing.
I also am currently fat, and women still fuck me.
Hold on.
Really quick.
So it goes both ways.
But anyways, continue.
Would you say they're desperate then?
But to my experience, some people are just in that.
Yeah, exactly.
I would prefer Brian over a skeleton guy.
I would choose Brian any day over a guy who's super bony.
W boys.
Understandable.
That was me.
But to my experience, Brian was bigger than Brian and was a good person.
Yes.
Okay, carry on.
People in America have become too overweight.
I must disagree.
I must disagree.
You're glorifying unhealthy.
And women have been enabling that to one another, saying you look amazing.
You look good.
I mean, this other stuff as well, but when I was really fat, I was really sad.
So, what was your fattest overweight?
She said 50 pounds.
I've lost about 100 pounds.
I weigh about 200 pounds right now.
It's mostly a lot of muscle in my legs.
I do still have some fat and some extra skin in a lot of places.
But you are not limited to it.
So, you were 250 at your heaviest.
I was 300.
300 at your heaviest.
200 plus 100 is 300.
That is quite heavy.
What's your height?
What challenged you to get healthier?
I saw pictures of myself.
I wouldn't look at myself.
In the mirror because I would cry, but I saw pictures of myself in my brother's wedding and I started crying excessively.
I was not the same person.
Yes, yes, I didn't use any medication, I didn't.
I was working out, no, it was more like, fuck, I'm too fucking old for this shit and too young for this shit at the same time.
And I had a boyfriend who was fucking being a feeder, he was feeding.
Okay, but you are a great example to women these days because you took it into your own hands and you don't condone it and you're not being delusional.
No, a lot of women.
Are being delusional even when you see plus size models who are not plus size models, they are extremely obese.
Yes, they post pictures online, and then but it is a fetish for some men too.
It really is.
But where I'm going with this is you have women posting in the comments, Oh my god, babe, you look amazing!
while they don't think that really, they don't think they look amazing, they would never want to look the same way.
And it is just enabling women to think, Oh my god, so many people are saying I look amazing, therefore I should carry on doing that.
I feel like that's mostly US women though.
I don't see that in European Instagram.
I do see that.
I don't see that in European prospects.
I see that in mostly US women's chats.
I see that in mostly US women's chats.
What's your connection to European Instagrams, though?
I'm from the UK.
I'm from London.
Okay.
And people are very upfront.
Definitely.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So I do see people doing that in the UK.
I don't.
I grew up in London as well.
So I do see people doing that.
I even have friends that I'm not.
Maybe that was the forums that you're in.
You might be a little bit older than I am, but I. How old are you?
I'm 25.
For years is not that much.
It's a little bit older, I can't lie.
Okay.
But it is, I haven't seen women and men encouraging fat bodied women to keep men.
Men don't do that full stop.
Men don't do that full stop, and they don't see it.
You don't argue with your elders.
If you were fat, you would actually see it.
Absolutely, I do.
If it seems like they don't have a point, of course I'm going to argue with them.
If you were fat, you would actually see it.
Can I ask you where I come from, though?
No, I know that, but I promise you, that's what I'm saying.
From my perspective as a person who's overweight, if you were fat, you would see the amount of men who fetishize us.
Yes, they do.
I understand that there's fetishes.
There's fetishes for women shitting on men.
Like, I don't condone that either.
For people that are watching from AFET, they did it in a large amount.
For people, just because it's not in your experience doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I don't condone that.
Can I just ask you something?
I don't say that it's not available, but I just don't agree with it.
I cannot agree with something, but I can still acknowledge that it happens.
But there are fears.
Can I just ask you something out of curiosity?
For your curiosity, where in London, where in UK are you from exactly?
I multiple times said London, so yeah.
Where in London?
Which part of London?
Brixton.
Makes sense.
What do you mean, makes sense?
For your attitude and the way you talk.
So what?
So what?
I'm more in front and I'm more capable of deterring what you're saying.
Is that it?
No, I'm just saying you want to be.
You sound like you're from Brixton.
You want me to be a pick me bitch like you do.
No, I'm not agreeing with you.
Okay, so what do I do then?
Ladies, we fill in the stream and you look in the comments, men will agree with you.
But you care more about what men think, I care more about what I think.
And then you allow other women to agree with you.
You don't have to stream, then okay.
You're not making a comment.
I'm just making a point.
But you keep speaking over me, so obviously I'm going to want to say what I want to say.
I think you find you keep speaking over other people.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
You are my opinionator.
No, that's all.
Some people talk loud, some people talk.
I just asked you where you're from, and you said you are from Brixton, and I said, uh oh.
It just confirmed.
Well, that's why I wanted to know where you're from.
Is there a big difference?
I'm from Poland originally, but when I lived in the UK, I lived in the Cotswolds.
So where in the UK did you live in?
Cotswolds.
Okay.
How far is that from Makes Sense?
This is meta as fuck.
Like, we can get back to the topic.
It's the countryside.
It's the countryside versus South London.
I have a lot to say because, anyway, theaters are a real thing.
The fetishes for heavier women are a real thing.
And in America, especially, they have really pushed it over the edge.
There are still heavy people in London.
I don't think there's quite as many obese, obese people like there are that can't get up, can't walk, have so many health issues.
They're putting all of this money and time into them getting taken care of.
Coming from our taxpayers' dollars.
Like I said, you look good.
You're heavy.
That's okay.
Thank you.
I still want to lose some more for my knees.
But these women that they're feeding, I knew a woman who went, she used to be tiny, and her husband was a chef.
Well, men are insecure, and then they're feeding people too.
And then you get guys also, and women, that are also wanting to control the situation.
You kind of have to have them dominate everything.
Feeder can't feed you if you're not also like addicted to food and having some health issues.
Yes, so like it's still my responsibility, regardless of him feeding me, because I didn't have the confidence or the boundaries to say no to that.
She came, she lost weight then, and it was great.
Yeah, so like it's not fully on him.
And how long were you guys together?
Four years, that was my longest relationship.
Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts.
Incel Accusations and Passive Aggression00:15:48
Don't mind me asking.
Okay, never mind.
Let's hear it.
Okay, I think that guys don't really like skinny women, like sexually attracted to them.
I think that they like.
Like a status symbol.
Unmute, please.
Oh, am I muted?
No, Tiffany, unmute.
Here, Nathan, please do it.
It was muted.
Unmute?
It's on the keyboard.
No, no, no, no.
Okay, go ahead.
Oh, I think that men are more attracted to bigger women.
Erroneous!
Like sexually.
Erroneous!
And I think that skinnier women they want as a status symbol.
I've actually gotten more attention the more I lose weight.
That's such a good point.
Like, I don't really get that much sexual attention from men.
No, but I've gotten more attention the more I lose weight.
But guys like BBLs and big tits, though.
Yeah, but then you have to deal with the personality.
If somebody's talking to you, then they're probably more like, oh, she's cute, she's put together, and then we can have more dates.
Sometimes with bigger women, I have an ass and I have tits.
When people go out with me, they love me, and then out of nowhere, it's like, okay, I don't know, maybe it's not a good fit.
Of course, it could be whatever, whatever.
But also, I feel like bigger women are lusted over.
And then some women are.
So I do reclaim my time at the moment.
So, Greta, I was looking at your Instagram and I saw a story that you posted.
Let's pull it up.
Let's pull it up.
I'm scared.
What is it?
T minus two hours.
Why don't you read it?
You read it.
T minus two hours until I'm on the most infinite install podcast ever.
I'm not referring to you, I'm referring to your audience.
Your audience is like a lot of it.
Well, hold on.
It's okay.
There's a couple claims there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, I feel like this is a bit.
Hey, guys.
No, I said it was misspelled.
Okay, so that's what we're talking about with the sidebars.
It is not material.
Stop.
It is when I say no sidebars, that also just means saying irrelevant that doesn't matter.
Her, the fact that she like she mispronounced it is immaterial to the conversation.
You need not even allow anything to exit your mouth so as to disrupt our audio.
So, again, we repeatedly told you one person speaking at a time.
Please, if you do not have the time, I just went like that, but she said she couldn't.
Well, she that's why I gave her the yellow card.
Please be fucking silent when somebody else is talking.
You don't need to whisper even to yourself.
I didn't say I was looking this way.
Okay, so you didn't say anything?
I said it was misspelled.
Why the fuck would that matter?
Don't speak unless it is material to the conversation, not just to you, but to everybody.
There's been a lot of crosstalk tonight, and the audience is not appreciating it.
So I'm echoing their frustrations due to all the crosstalk.
Please, if it is not material, important.
To the conversation, keep it to yourself.
Be quiet, one person speaking at a time.
Go ahead.
Oh, why I posted that story?
Not why you posted it, but there's a couple things to, I guess, dive into there.
Yeah.
So you're doing a, this is a sort of typical, I don't know what the right term is, if it's a passive aggressive thing where women do when they get, I guess, called out on something, where they will walk back their position.
Because they're not prepared to actually make a defense.
Oh, I didn't mean to say that.
I didn't mean to say that about you.
I wasn't talking about you.
So pull it back up again so we can have the record show.
Most infamous incel podcast ever.
Now, you didn't write that I'm going on perhaps the most infamous podcast with an incel audience.
Incel podcast would suggest that the podcast itself is incel, not just the audience viewers or the members or whatever.
So there's two claims there that it's infamous and that it's.
Incel.
Well, I'm not going to even really dispute you on the infamy part.
I might just be willing to grant that the podcast is controversial.
I don't step away from that.
But where I would like to engage you on is the incel part.
So, what does incel mean?
So, it initially started as a term for involuntarily celibate, but it's kind of evolved into its own word to describe, I feel like, mostly frustrated men online who attack women.
So, okay, but.
You do acknowledge that the origination of the term and like words do have meanings.
Yeah.
So, can I ask you a question?
I'm not going to say it just because of YouTube TOS.
Would you make this same defense?
So, are you familiar with the F slur as it relates to gay people?
Yeah.
So, you would agree that this, in the same way people use incel, they oftentimes use it not to actually describe somebody who's involuntarily celibate, but somebody who you disagree with or you dislike.
That guy's an incel.
I don't like him, right?
So, you must certainly be fine with people using the F slur to call, you know, when people use the F slur, it's not to actually be homophobic.
It's simply to call someone stupid, right?
And you're fine with that?
I. Do you want to say the word?
Do you want to say the F slur?
Well, I think you would get banned right now, but.
But are you fine?
Are you fine with the F slur?
I don't say that word.
But are you fine with the F slur?
If it's not towards, like, a gay person in a derogatory way, then yeah.
Like, it's fine.
Like, people use it in conversation, just like they say the R word nowadays.
It's like.
Yeah.
Okay.
So when you say that the podcast is incel, what are you trying to communicate?
I am, well, number one, I post a lot of loaded things on TikTok, on Instagram, because it gets engagement and it's kind of like satire.
I'm over exaggerating, right?
Yes, I understand that, like, you want to, there's like hyperbole.
Yeah, yeah.
And you want to, okay, I get that.
The hyperbole is that I think a lot of, especially on Instagram, a lot of people that know me, like, I was invited on this podcast.
Very long ago, and people are like, Don't go on it, don't go on it.
It's bad for your image.
It's kind of a hyperbole, I guess, almost to defend myself for going on this podcast, to be completely honest.
This seems like a bit of a mott and bailey where it's forward an argument that is more objectionable and then retreat back to a more defensible position.
So in this case, you're saying, Well, it was hyperbole.
Well, it was just for the rage baiting.
Well, when I say incel, it's just something I disagree with or that.
Is speaking about men who are just sort of generally frustrated with dating and not necessarily about like true incels who are like actually involuntarily celibate.
So I can really only engage with you on like what words actually mean.
So from my perspective, I am aware that people use incel as a sort of, they don't use it, I'm aware that they use it incorrectly.
But incel to me has an actual definition which means like somebody who's involuntarily celibate and who like typically Struggles severely with dating.
And these are almost women can't be incel.
So it's almost always men.
Yeah.
When's the last time you had sex?
Like a year ago.
So could it be the case, say you were to start a podcast, and if I had sex more recently than you did, that it might actually be you who has the incel podcast, given that you haven't had sex in like a year and a half, which is kind of a long time?
Yeah, I think that's valid.
Although, to be fair, to be charitable though, it's not that you can't get sex.
Like you could probably fuck a guy tonight if you were so inclined.
It's more so that, so you're not strictly incel because you could get late tonight if you wanted to, but you also haven't fucked in a year and a half.
So the accusation of incel, though, seems a bit interesting to me.
Okay.
So why is the podcast infamous then?
That's valid.
Okay.
Because there are a lot of hot takes that the general population disagrees with.
Okay.
Right?
What do you disagree with?
I mean, I haven't watched a ton of clips, but I think like it's mostly the audience.
Like, if I were to read chat right now, I think I would really disagree with a lot.
I can't really try to think of an example.
Like, for example, on my TikTok comments, people will be like, oh, she has a body count that's over two, like, she's a whore.
I think that that's like ridiculous to think that.
Is anyone actually saying that?
Oh, yeah, people say that all the time.
They would say lives.
Well, I mean, you could, so hold on, you could go on pretty much any live streamer.
Yeah, yeah.
Streamers live stream, look at their chat, and it's going to be.
Live stream chat is kind of known for being.
And that's an incel thing to say.
Toxic.
What do you mean?
To say, oh, she's a whore, she has a body count of two, three.
Why would.
Well, I believe.
No, I don't think that would necessarily be an incel take.
No.
They're bigots.
That wouldn't even be bigoted, but.
No, it wouldn't be.
It's not inherently incel to slut shame.
That's not incel.
Like, you could highly promiscuous men will slut shame women.
That could be a preference.
My definition of incel, right?
Is what?
I guess, like, I would actually genuinely sympathize with someone who's, like, genuinely involuntarily celibate, a thousand percent.
But my, like, perception of incel is someone who, like, hates women, like, becomes frustrated.
Because that's exactly what it gradually became, and that's the new age definition.
The old age definition of what we're talking about.
You know what's actually funny about that is that.
Actually, it's men who are major players and who fuck a lot of women.
I would argue that they have more misogynistic viewpoints on women than do the guys who struggle to date women.
But they're not online, right?
They're not online?
I don't think they're online like that.
I mean, Red Pillars?
They're.
What?
They're everywhere.
Like, I don't think they're watching, like, podcasts.
Like, I think they have a life.
Men who fuck a bunch of men.
Yeah?
No, no, men.
I mean.
You don't think so?
I think there's a wide amount of.
Variety in terms of the people who will consume various content.
You can have anywhere from like Playboys who will watch varying kinds of content to guys who struggle with dating watching certain kinds of content.
So, there's a lot of jesters who will pretend to be alpha males that consume red pill content.
They're not actual alpha males, they are just gesturing as alpha males.
Alpha males.
They're actually either incel, celibate, or, you know, they get a few hiccups here and there, but they're not that guy.
They're usually dying for the attention of the woman that they're shaming.
Well, so hold on, back to this.
So, furthermore, your assertion that the audience is incel, so the audience is involuntarily celibate, what's your evidence for that?
Again, I am using the New Age definition of incel.
Right, like I'm.
So, misogynists?
Yeah, like, I guess like rage-beating misogynists.
Am I a misogynist?
I don't necessarily think you're a misogynist, but I think some of your takes can be a bit rage-baity.
Rage-baity?
In a misogynistic way.
I think some people would, a lot of people would perceive it.
A lot of the people that I, for example, went to college with, like I went to college in Vermont, very, very liberal state, they would perceive you as a misogynist, a thousand percent.
A thousand percent.
Me, I've been living in Texas for a while, I can understand some of your takes.
But just like.
But so what would be misogynistic?
Traditional values, traditional viewpoints.
Your conservative views.
Why is that misogynistic?
Hold on.
I'm not saying it is.
I'm just saying people will perceive it that way.
They do perceive you like that in Texas.
Like bad.
I mean, Texas is a very conservative state.
You know, your neighbors.
Are you the representative of all people in Texas?
I mean, yes.
They sent me to Texas.
Yes, I'm Texas.
People in Texas took a poll and they voted me as misogynistic.
You did the door to door.
Well, so I'm more interested in.
Not so much labels, but what has earned the label.
So I'm looking for what are my positions or what have I said that is misogynistic.
But before we do that, we need to be precise about our definitions.
What is a misogynist?
Somebody who is bigoted against women.
Okay, so how about this?
Someone who either hates women or who has prejudice towards women.
Yeah.
But it could also just be hate, too.
Yeah, it could be hate.
Right, yeah.
Okay.
What is your prejudice, Brian?
What's that?
What is your prejudice against women?
The what?
What is your hate towards women?
Because then that's, you would have to hate on some people.
I don't hate women, but I'm asking for what are the misogynistic takes that I have?
I haven't watched much of your content.
But you said the traditional what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like traditional values.
I think that I don't perceive it this way, but like I know this podcast has had a lot of takes and kind of like degradation of girls in the like sex work industry.
And like I think people perceive that as misogynistic.
I'm like blanking it in a couple of examples, but should have the right to vote.
That's oh, those are jokes.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, hold on.
Let's before I answer that question, I want to get.
A further list.
So you said degradation of sex workers.
Yeah, yeah.
Anything else?
I guess like the jokes about not being able to vote, the jokes about like.
I don't make those jokes.
Hey, you did.
You made one earlier.
It was a comparison.
It wasn't really a.
And like, oh, I don't listen to women speak like that one.
You said women shouldn't be able to vote.
I don't think that was a.
No, I think you just made a comparison.
It was like hypothetical.
Give me the context.
What was the context?
I don't remember the context.
I just remembered it.
No, it doesn't exist.
This is the gaslighting women do.
You're completely misremembering.
No, stop.
You hear what you want to hear.
What you said is if you take it.
No, stop, stop.
I got it.
I asked, you were saying something along the lines of when we were talking about traditional gender roles and men paying for dates, I asked you the question if women should be able to vote.
That isn't a prescriptive claim.
No, that's not true.
That's literally, you want to.
You can play it for me.
What did I say?
What did I say?
You tell me what I said.
You said women shouldn't be able to vote.
You're fucking retarded.
That's not fucking true.
No, that's not true.
I never said that.
I never said women.
No, I didn't say it.
How much cash do you have on you?
Let's fucking bet.
I don't have any cash on me, but I would bet you $100.
$1,000?
You said, what would you do?
$100 that I said women shouldn't vote as like an affirmative claim.
I don't know by your tone what's affirmative or not.
I just know what came out of your mouth.
That's what came out of your mouth.
Okay, so let's just agree on the discrepancy.
You believe that I said women shouldn't vote, whereas my position is I asked if women should vote.
Yeah, I definitely, absolutely agree with the term that you said women should vote.
That came out of your mouth.
No, wait.
But you just changed that.
You said shouldn't.
No, I think she meant to say shouldn't.
So your claim is that I said women shouldn't vote.
Yep.
Okay, you bet $100.
Yep.
And you'll go get your fucking cash out?
Do you have, oh, you're fucking from the UK?
Yeah, you're from the fucking UK.
Perceptions of Misogynistic Comments00:07:52
Like, what can I do?
I have cash, yeah.
Even if I'm right, she's not going to fucking pay me.
No.
I mean, what, do you want cash?
Are you begging for cash or that?
Do you have cash?
I have at home, yeah.
I mean, how are you going to get it?
In any case, I'm happy to bet, I'd even bet a thousand to your hundred.
I did not say women should not be able to vote.
What did you say?
Run me the clip, chat.
Run me the clip.
I asked, I asked, should women be able to vote?
In the context of a conversation about unfairness and gender roles and paying for dates.
That's, I don't know.
Let's open it up to the panel.
For those who recall that conversation, what do you guys think?
I also remember you saying, like, I don't listen to women speak or something.
It was a joke, by the way.
But that's different than that was a joke.
The reason you're making the joke is because that kind of appeals to your audience.
They find that funny.
I find it funny.
He finds it funny too.
Yeah.
I think if you were serious, this podcast is proof of why women shouldn't vote.
Furthermore, by the way, it's obviously a joke because I spent.
Seven, eight, nine hours listening to women.
So, although sometimes during when people are saying their intros, I miss certain details.
In any case, in my Discord, here's what I need.
For the Discord, can you send me a DM?
That's how we're going to sort it.
For those, if somebody in the Discord can go back, rewind the tape, did not say that.
Of course, that's the sort of slanderous thing that you can expect from a woman.
Just kidding.
But yeah, very slanderous.
Definitely never made the claim.
That women shouldn't vote.
I asked you a question.
Asking a question is not the same thing as having the position.
I've never voted.
Okay, congratulations.
Back to this.
What are the misogynistic things that I believe or say?
Okay, I think that this is really rooted from my viral TikToks that you took several months ago and you posted on Twitter and they were absolutely viral.
And it wasn't you, but your audience commented some of the most misogynistic things I've ever heard in my life.
What was the TikTok?
The first one was like, I was like, oh, like, I was at the grocery store and I looked a guy up and down, and he looked like he was staring.
Which we will play the.
I would love to see that one.
But so you have to understand the X algorithm.
I had like, I don't know if I posted it on my main thing or my Brian Atlas.
Probably at the time I had like 20,000 followers.
When you get in the X algorithm, the majority of people who see that aren't even following you.
So it's not my audience.
But in any case, you'd have to actually present like some sort of evidence.
Like I completely contest this idea that like, My audience is just a bunch of incels.
Like, how can you actually?
Where is the proof for that?
Where's the evidence?
I just read the comments on that video and the hinge video.
But okay, so Andrew, would you agree that Andrew Tate has made misogynistic comments?
He's a full on misogynist.
But hold on.
So Andrew Tate, full on misogynist, right?
And he's made similar comments to the people that leave comments on my videos.
Do you think Andrew Tate has difficulty getting laid?
But he's a different tier to you.
Right, but the idea that if you leave negative comments, that that somehow means that you are thus incapable.
Like, if you leave a misogynistic comment, you must be an incel.
No, like, actually, the reality is it's the playboys who probably have, like, the more objectionable perspectives on women than the guys who, like, you know, kind of struggle a bit to date all the way to incels.
But, anyways, what about me, though?
What about me is misogynistic or what I've said that's misogynistic?
I'm not saying that I think you're misogynistic.
I just think, given the audience that you have, people perceive you that way.
People perceive you that way.
Because of my audience, who they don't know anything about.
And they don't.
But, like, for example, when I saw those comments and I didn't know that the X algorithm works that way, that was so bad.
That was so bad.
So, well, yeah, I mean, comments on that.
I don't think it was actually that bad, but on X, especially Twitter, is pretty toxic.
I'll give you that.
But you can go on any social media platform.
You could be a video game streamer.
You could be a woman who does makeup tutorials.
You're going to get bad comments.
Like, this has been known about YouTube for a really long time.
Never seen it.
The comment section.
Is bad.
Like the comment sections are bad.
Personally, I don't even think my comment section is all that bad though, to be honest.
But maybe I'm just, I've been doing YouTube since 2012.
I mean, maybe I'm just, I have thick skin.
I don't know.
But ultimately, comments really aren't all that bad.
And that's the internet landscape.
Like you probably do some video about, I don't know, whatever, something totally benign that's inoffensive and it's like neutral.
And you probably get nasty comments on stuff where you're talking about, I don't know, fucking Disney or some shit.
Can we, for a minute, go back to the Andrew Tate conversation?
Because it's very surprising to me that the two of you who are in marketing in one way or the other do think Andrew Tate is famous because he really thinks what he says, or do you think he's famous because he says what he says for a shocker?
He's famous because he's a rage baiter.
That's it.
If he does, so you're just.
Okay, so you're just.
Okay, so you're just.
Brian asks the right questions.
The guests just can't handle the truth.
So they resort to gaslighting and word games.
You're so right.
Oh my God, you're so right.
Facts.
Okay, here, let's go to this.
Okay, so there were a couple claims that I heard.
The trad perspective is misogynistic.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying people perceive that as misogynistic.
No, no, no.
I said I was very clear.
People perceive that as misogynistic.
Do you think it's misogynistic to have.
I specifically said I don't think that that's misogynistic.
Yeah, I was very clear about that.
I don't know if you guys.
Oh, okay.
No, you've been saying that it's.
So, okay.
There was something about the degradation, supposedly, of the sex workers.
That's misogynistic.
Again, I think people perceive it as misogynistic.
I do.
So, if I say sex work is bad, is that misogynistic?
I think.
Close doors.
I do think that sex work is bad, but I also think a lot of the girls that come on this podcast that are on OF, it's not even the same thing as what the porn industry was, right?
It's an entirely different thing now than it was before.
I don't know if you guys know this, but people just sell half nude pictures on OnlyFans.
Sometimes it's just bikini pictures, right?
But they don't get paid as much, though.
It's also men on there, though.
It's not just women.
Yes, we should also criticize the men who.
Who enables this thing to be, however, uh, I think the criticism can be laid at the feet of both men and women, yeah, the consumers and the producers, yeah, yeah.
It wouldn't be misogynistic to be anti sex work, that's not misogynistic, yeah, because there's male sex workers in the industry, right?
Yeah, you'd probably most people who are like against sex work are probably like across the board, but look, also, the majority of sex workers are women, um, but I don't think it's misogynistic to be anti sex work, um.
That's just your preference.
It's sex work.
When I told people that I know, I told a lot of people, oh, I'm going on this podcast.
They're like, that's the insul misogynist podcast.
That's what people perceive it as.
So that's why I said that, because it's like a joke.
It's like I'm repeating back what people said to me.
But that's people's perception of this.
I'm not saying that it's necessarily true.
Can perceptions be incorrect?
Yeah.
And now that I'm on here, I'm like, this is a lot less extreme than I thought it was going to be.
It's bias.
Military Equality and Physical Differences00:15:45
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I mean, again, though, I still haven't quite arrived at anything on the misogyny thing.
Somebody brought something up a bit ago.
Oh, women voting.
I think you're kind of like deriving a false.
Like, I kind of explained exactly what my point was with this story, and you're like turning it into something else.
Like, I never said that you're misogynistic.
I'm not calling you misogynistic.
Well, misogynistic podcast owner, host, and author.
I didn't say misogynistic podcast.
Oh, excuse me.
Huh?
I didn't say I said incel podcast.
Well, you said incels are misogynistic.
I mean, incels.
I said you were misogynistic.
But you're going on a big way to understand exactly why I'm misogynistic.
So, okay, moving off of you, why am I a misogynist?
Or a misogynist?
I actually, I really don't think you're misogynistic.
I think you're perceived as a misogynist because of your views and like your questions.
I'm perceived.
Yeah, you are perceived as a misogynist.
But when someone is easily biased or just like enraged, your questions can be extremely triggering.
And I think that like they target you as someone that they could take that rage out on because you ask the questions about the patriarchy or like they take it as if you're supporting those views rather than asking.
Okay.
Well, I'll quickly address the voting rights thing.
So here's my position on voting rights.
So, and it's nuanced, it's not just completely like, It's not white or black.
So, the current status quo is that women have the right to vote without any duty to the United States.
They don't have any duty.
And you see this not just in the United States, but in other countries too.
Women don't have any responsibilities that can be mandated by the government.
And so, I believe women should be able to maintain the right to vote, but we need to, and this could be either employed in a completely equal way, which I don't think pragmatically would work, or it could be implemented in an equitable way, which still would.
Benefit women would be having women in a privileged position.
So, when it comes to military conscription, men have a duty to the United States.
Men can be conscripted.
There's the draft, right?
Whereas women have no such duty.
In order for men to be able to vote, they are subject to military conscription.
And so, for this reason, my current position is I'm not saying we should get rid of women's right to vote.
I'm saying there needs to be an equality that is created.
So, that kind of brings men and women either equitably or equally at the same place.
So, equality would dictate that women have to be drafted in the military or at least subject to it.
And also, technically, they have to be not just to the military, but they can also face frontline combat.
Now, I disagree with that.
Hold on.
Hold on.
However, practically speaking, when it comes to the lethality of the military, which is the The sort of purpose of the military that's the telos of the military to be lethal, like to be effective.
Women in combat positions are very much ineffective.
So, how do we balance equality between men and women, but also balancing the biological reality that women don't have the same capacity, generally speaking, as men, to be as effective soldiers?
We can't use equality because we are two different beings, and you can't put a man and a woman together and try and make them equal physically.
It doesn't make any sense.
No, you can't.
However, if we're going to have equal rights, there ought to be a corresponding equal responsibility.
Women have no duties.
Women have no responsibilities in the same way that men do.
I agree.
And thus, I do think it could be argued.
Now, my position is not let's strip the rights away from women.
I'm not arguing that.
I'm saying how do we level, not level up, but how do we bring women to match men's duty?
And so that could be the equality position, which.
Is to some degree contrary to the purpose of, like, the effectiveness of the military, but for the sake of equality, which seems to be exalted over many things, that could be an argument that's made.
The second thing is perhaps there's an equitable thing, which might say, well, we recognize that women are ineffective combat soldiers.
Thus, perhaps we don't draft them into the military, but perhaps in the same way that men could reasonably be drafted, women could be forced.
To do some sort of civil service for the country.
Women would be forced to do something.
Now, this still, I think, it approaches a degree of equity.
It still isn't the same sacrifice, of course, that men give for the vote, which is to sacrifice your life, which is to risk life and limb, to risk your body, your mental well being, your life, even.
It's not even anywhere comparable.
So, even then, but that would be a sort of an equity solution.
Uh, me personally, as a feminist, I'm very much in favor of sending women to the front lines.
Uh, what are you doing?
I'm raising my hand.
So, you so that means if you're if you want if you want women to be on the front lines, that that basically means that more or less you agree with transgenderism.
Then, I, I, no, I'm not agreeing with transgenderism, but it was your turn to go.
Okay, if a guy was drafted into the military and he had like a college degree in computer science, I guarantee you he wouldn't be.
Like fighting the front line, unless we were in a crazy war.
So I think that women can still be in the military without being combat soldiers.
Women can contribute other things.
Sure.
So, yes, that would be the.
Yeah, so I agree that women could be.
So, women can volunteer, and they're obviously in the military.
Not every person who is in the military is in a combat role.
There's obviously, like, in order to field a combat soldier, you're gonna need cooks, you're gonna need support roles, you're gonna need, like, you know, paper pushers, pencil pushers, whatever.
There are roles in the military, even that men occupy, that are not combat roles.
So I agree with you there.
That could be, I mean, when I said civil service, that could be essentially, yeah, they're technically soldiers in the military, but they're cooks or they're, you know, I don't know, what the, they're handling inventory, they're working in a warehouse.
There are roles in the military that they can occupy.
But the current status quo is not even in the event of a draft would women even be subject to that.
And still, even if we were to make that groundwork that women could be drafted, but practically speaking, it would only be for obviously for support roles, that still puts women at a privileged position where it's like, well, yeah, but the men who get drafted, your male counterparts, they could potentially die.
That still seems like it's unfair in the grand scheme of things.
So then you still have to question men have a greater potential sacrificial duty than do women.
That's unfair.
How do we reconcile that with an equality in the vote?
When it comes to the draft, though, there are so many men who wouldn't even be qualified for the draft because they have depression, they have anxiety, they have some sort of mental health diagnosis, right?
Like every other person's getting diagnosed with autism nowadays.
And if you.
If you have that, right, does that mean you shouldn't be able to vote?
If you have depression, should you not be able to vote?
Well, so men are of the essence to be subject to it.
So I agree with you.
Even when men go and volunteer, some men are going to be rejected from even the volunteer military because they don't meet the requisite criteria for being accepted, whether it's physical things, mental illness, or sometimes you're just fucking low IQ.
I think, I don't know if it's for.
I think there is a point where your IQ is so low they don't want you in the military.
So there is that.
If you're retarded or something.
Right.
I guess, yeah, if you're retarded.
Now, I think that that still doesn't change the fact, though.
So then you could have a separate argument, which is well, of the men then who would be deemed to not be capable of being even drafted, then I suppose there could be a secondary conversation of well, should even they have.
Some right to vote.
So there's a secondary conversation there.
But you'd have to grant that there is a proportion of the male population that is of the capacity to be drafted.
Thus, those men uniquely, from a gendered lens, men, not all men, but men uniquely have this potential risk that women don't.
Men have a duty, men have a responsibility, women do not.
I think that it would be valid to have women sign up, open themselves up for a draft where they would be trained in some sort of skill set, whether that's a cook, whether that's a nurse, whether that's a scientist or a strategist or whatever that is.
I think that's a valid argument.
I think that that's okay.
I don't think women just shouldn't be able to vote.
I think that if women could be of support to the country in a safe way.
But you're still not, that's the point, you're still not risking your life.
So therefore, it's not equal.
They're not risking their life.
If you are going to the military and if you're going to be drafted for a war, more than likely you are risking your life.
So it's still not equal.
That's the point.
There's a lot of engineers in the military.
There's a lot of.
There's not that many people at combat.
You think that there's.
We're talking about the minority.
So, well, look, here's my final position.
We need to equalize the draft.
Women should.
If we're going to keep the vote for women, women should be drafted for the sake of equality, which seems to be.
The sort of social and cultural zeitgeist of desirability, equality overall, equality supersedes, right?
Ooh, yikes.
That's a major yikes, whatever just happened there.
You got to minimize it.
I don't know what.
Okay.
All right.
So, yeah.
So, however, if we as a society come to a determination, like say a final determination on this topic, I guess, where we say under no circumstances should women ever have a duty, no government mandated duty, then I think actually revoking women's right to vote, then that's fair to be on the table.
Then it's justified.
However, that's again, this is why it's a nuanced answer.
That's not my first position.
But if y'all are like, no, I don't think women should be drafted, okay, then get rid of the right to vote for women then.
So you have to ask yourself, am I more of the feminist because I want equality?
Or are the women who want women to have a privilege the one who don't believe in equality?
Well, you can also give the argument that said, okay, women should be drafted.
Women are equal, but then again, you can say, okay, so women are able to be transgender because women are equal and women have the same body archetypes and body architecture.
What does this have to do with trans people?
I can't serve in the military.
I'm well, I don't know if that's material, but yeah, the trans thing is ridiculous.
I don't know.
No, I don't think it is because you said women are equal, women have the same body types, women should be drafted.
Women are not equal to men, right?
That's not what I said.
Not about body fat.
Okay, so what did you say then?
Clearly, women.
Wait, I even said that men are.
Better men.
Men have a biological advantage.
So, no, women do not have equal strength.
Women do not have equal speed.
Women do not have equal endurance, generally speaking.
So, why should they be in the military then?
Because women have the right to vote.
What does having the right to vote equate to women being in the military fighting?
Combat.
What does combat equal to being able to vote?
Yeah, so one, because women can vote on war, so they can send men to a war that men don't want to fight, and women don't face any actual primary repercussions from that.
So that's one.
But to address your thing, men and women are clearly not physically equal, men are stronger.
So, no, I reject the trans thing.
Right, that was never my argument.
What I was saying was, society exalts equality.
Society desires and wants equality between men and women.
So the reality is, on a physical level, men and women are not equal.
Men are stronger than women, generally speaking.
I would argue I'm stronger than the average man.
Oh my God.
I would argue that me in particular just.
No, you are not stronger.
I can leg press 650 pounds.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Maybe not my upper body, but my lower body.
Women actually have really strong lower body.
You are not stronger than the average man.
How about this?
I'm stronger than some men.
Sure.
Yes.
I totally, I can agree to that.
I'm like six feet tall.
I can like.
I'm baiting males.
So, okay.
Hold on.
What leg press is what you're doing?
Hold on.
The contention here, of course, there are definitely women who are stronger than some men.
Yeah.
I'm speaking in general.
Not the average.
It's the exception.
But I would say the majority of women are stronger than the majority of men.
It's not like 60 40.
That is definitely true.
It's not 60 40.
Physically?
Hold on.
Physically?
Stop.
But women are stronger than men?
No, men are.
Oh, you're stronger than men?
Oh, okay.
The differential is not, it's like 60 40 split.
It's like 95% of men are stronger than all women, basically.
Like that's the difference, right?
Yeah.
In general, but it's very much to the extreme where it's like I don't know if you've seen these viral videos where you'll have like average Joe versus female bodybuilder and the average Joes scorch them.
You'll have dwarves outlifting like professional bodybuilder women.
So there's all kinds of scenarios.
Even if you handicap and disadvantage the men as much as possible, they still oftentimes will out compete the women.
You see this in sports, for example, soccer, like the 15 year old boys.
Will fucking destroy like the professional, the top professional female soccer teams.
They will destroy the like national team.
15 year old high school boys destroy female soccer players.
It's across almost all sports.
Men are just stronger.
Do you believe in equal rights, equal fights?
The fuck?
No, no, I don't.
Self-Defense Against Female Violence00:08:48
I just wanted to.
Well, going actually really quick on that.
Really quick on that.
So, look, I believe pragmatically speaking, Practically speaking, so you're saying basically if a woman hits a man, then the man should be able to hit back, yeah.
That's what you're saying.
So, um, if a little boy, like a little guy, like a short guy, no, I'm not talking about that, doesn't matter the appearance, just like any guy, yeah.
So, I mean, really quick on that, I would say that, uh, as a man, you put yourself in peril, even if from a legal perspective, you are like doing self defense, the woman hit you first.
I believe there's a degree of obviously a self defense justification.
There is a, if a woman slaps you, fair game.
However, I don't think you should as a man for a few reasons.
Like, you should just not hit back.
You should extract yourself from the situation.
And yeah, because, like, there's definitely situations where a man, the woman's the aggressor, and the man hits her back, and say it happens in public, the people don't see that the woman was being the aggressor.
Other men see that, he's gonna get curb stomped, or it could be you're in a DV situation in your house, your girlfriend's fucking abusive, you don't even have to hit her back.
She could just call the cops, yeah, my boyfriend was beating me up.
They come, and oftentimes there is bias when it comes to these situations.
The cops are gonna fucking arrest the boyfriend who is the victim.
And so I think even though there's a self defense argument, there's like a hey, I would warn women though.
Me personally, I would just not do anything.
And I'd try to, if a girl ever laid hands on me, if I was dating her, it's immediately over.
Extract yourself from that situation.
You should never tolerate someone laying hands on you.
Of course, self defense situation, that's different.
Then you can defend yourself.
But where was I fucking going with this?
I don't even know.
I think I was just saying, oh, women.
I don't think you women should feel like you're in a privileged position where, like, if you hit a man, he shouldn't hit you back.
But don't be surprised if he does.
Like, don't play the victim if you hit a man and he hits you back.
So, you would hit a woman then?
Are you fucking retarded?
Were you listening to anything I just said?
Some men would not restrain a woman from hitting him.
Like, I think it's like appropriate to defend yourself to an extent as a man, but most men probably would.
Like, I just.
Some men don't care.
Some men don't care.
I just.
No, but I just wanted to say in certain circumstances, would you hit a woman if it got to you?
He just answered that for the last five minutes.
I'm speaking to him.
I literally.
You know what's so funny?
I caveated that.
Like, I preambled that entire con though, and she's like, So, you would hit a woman?
So, how about this?
Are there certain circumstances, like a life or limb self defense situation, where it wasn't just a woman slapping me, but she was coming at me repeatedly?
Yeah, I could understand that.
Yeah, I would use necessary force to stop the threat.
Yeah.
Now, if a woman slapped me, I would be very, like, that I was dating, I would be taken aback.
Let's say she's at my house or whatever, I'd tell her to leave.
I'm like, okay, it's over, leave.
That's it.
Now, if she's continuously coming at me, I'm going to try to restrain her.
Maybe I grab her arms.
What are you fucking doing?
Stop.
Now, if she's really coming at me and it becomes like, then she's going to get fucked up.
Okay.
Like if she's really, like if she's trying to fucking kill me, I need to incapacitate her.
You have to stop the threat.
I need to stop the threat.
I mean, women.
I mean, some girls.
I was going to say, women want to get in a fight with women.
Women can use weapons.
Women can get a knife from the kitchen.
Women can do all.
Like women can do all kinds of things.
If she pepper sprayed you, what would you do?
I don't know.
I'd be blind as well.
Can't do much.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
But yeah, ultimately, though, it's like it's a bad situation to be in.
Like, you, I think it's a terrible situation to ever be in any sort of physical anything, even something as small as a slap.
Like, that's the end of the relationship.
It's over.
It's a wrap.
I can understand that.
It's over.
Damn, bro.
Yeah.
That's understandable.
This girl's looking for something.
She's like, all right, let me get a clip of him saying he'd fuck women up.
I just want to know.
I'm interested.
Like, this is a debate.
It's an open debate.
I just want to know your opinion.
Yeah, but it's kind of bad faith when I, like, Like, I give a preamble and I'm like, no, like, don't hit women, blah, blah, blah, like, all this.
So, you would hit women, though, right?
Yeah, but you're saying don't hit women, and then you're giving circumstances, and then those circumstances can kind of be open to, okay, maybe you might be able to hit a woman in this certain circumstance.
So, I'm saying, okay, so would you hit a woman then in all circumstances that you mentioned?
Do you think there are any circumstances where a man can hit a woman?
When your life is at risk, yes.
When your life is at risk, okay.
Your life is at risk, okay.
So, what about if your life isn't at risk, but she's continuously assaulting you?
Then you're a beta male.
Well, so what if she's trying to punch you in the face, and like you would agree that a broken nose isn't necessarily putting your life at risk?
So, a man can't self defense.
So, a man can't like dodge jod hits.
So, I can see a woman punching, but then he can dodge the hits and say, Listen, stop, stop, stop.
So, what he has to take the hits from her.
Is that what you're saying?
No, I'm not.
He shouldn't take the hits, he should defend himself.
He should attempt to restrain her.
But there is a degree, if you're trying to like restrain somebody, you're going to have to use a level of force that might result in like an injury to them.
So he should restrain her, then knuckle punch her.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Like, but the thing is, like, also women will flail.
So it's like, okay, you restrain her, then she fucking headbutts you.
It's like, great.
So it's like, look, this is a terrible situation to be in.
And I think men should try to, like, hopefully, you, like, my advice to men is they're.
A woman, generally speaking, who is inclined to domestic violence, it usually isn't going to start.
Like, it's not going to be, she's just like, the first thing she does isn't going to be a full blown fight.
But there are going to be red flags.
Like, she kind of like, if she hits you in the stomach or something, that could be a sign.
Like, sometimes girls will playfully do it, but it's a bit hard.
And you're like, oh.
So, I do think, but I mean, a woman could slap, right?
If a woman slaps you, there's your red flag, it's over.
Not just a red flag, it's a deal breaker.
If a woman slaps you, it's going to get more violent.
You need to end that relationship immediately.
Do you think you're good at first impressions with women?
Do I think I'm good with.
What do you mean?
Do I make a good first impression or can I detect?
Can you detect it from another woman?
If she's violent?
Yeah, I mean, that's attributed to her personality.
So when you meet somebody, do you feel like you could make a good first impression?
You could detect a good first impression from, you know, second party.
I don't think I can necessarily.
I mean, sometimes there can be signs.
However, I don't think you can immediately, like, just going, meeting somebody once, I don't think you can immediately parse, like, okay, if I date this person for, like, six months, they're going to domestically abuse me.
Like, they're going to start DVing me.
I don't think you can always detect it immediately in the same way that women can't always detect when there's, like, this person could be, like, Violent towards me down the road.
Sometimes there are signs.
I like to think I'm a decent judge of character.
I tend to think that you can sometimes, and it's not always accurate, but I think you can sometimes see in the woman's demeanor if, like, maybe not violence, but is she going to be toxic?
I tend to see, like, women who have, like, a gentle disposition are mostly unlikely to be, like, Toxic down the road.
Like if she had, not all the time, to be fair, but women with like a more soft, gentle disposition, generally speaking, you can infer good things from that.
Judging Character and Toxic Dispositions00:05:13
It's not 100% guarantee.
People can mask, people can put on their, you know, what is it called when the person is, they're a comedian.
They're kind of, yeah.
But, yeah.
A true manipulator or abuser would mask.
So you shouldn't have a problem then with abuse.
I get that point.
Facade.
But it also starts with demeanor.
If you have an argument and the person is arguing and, All up in your face, that means okay, well, that's a red flag before you even slap me.
They're showing you the sign, so it's time to back off.
True, true, but really quick here, I do want to get back to the.
I mean, I don't know if the panel wanted to weigh in on this, uh, the voting thing.
So, any thoughts there from anyone else for women voting?
Is that well, yeah?
So, I my position just to quickly reiterate is that I don't think we should get rid of women's right to vote, but I do think we need to bring women up to men's duty and responsibility, which would be to.
Equalize the draft, even if that would look something like women are going to be drafted into support roles, that's at least better than the current place we are, where women have massive privilege over men, and it's better than the current status quo.
But then, if we make a determination that it's not the case, then I think that opens up the pathway to a serious conversation about getting rid of women's right to vote.
But if it's just women.
Voting.
Scoot your microphone to the edge of the table.
If it's just a woman being.
I barely moved it.
Do it again?
She's just intentionally just not.
No, I'm actually not.
I'm trying to do my best.
Okay, go ahead.
So, if it's just women being supportive in the draft and not actually being drafted on the front lines, then I agree with that because in the 50s and when World War I was going on, the 20s, 40s, whatever, women were drafted not on the front lines but as supportive roles like machinery and stuff like that.
So, if it's something like that that's similar to those type of roles, then yeah, I do agree.
But women being on the front lines and fighting and in combat, then no, I don't agree.
I think women would be trash when war starts.
They would be trash in war.
I have like cuts of women.
I would just half women's votes.
I don't know what I think.
How would you half it?
I suppose that's another option.
I would just half.
First of all, women are very emotional and not logical for the most part.
Like, they don't actually research what they're even voting on.
And they're voting on emotion rather than logic.
I think that's everyone.
No, I think women way more than men.
So you think that all women, So, you're generalizing that all women are like that.
Most women.
Most women.
I think you're actually part of it.
I'm actually part of it.
You're very emotional.
Really?
No, I'm not emotional.
I'm just logical.
I see things from perspective, and then after I analyze it, I know exactly who I'm targeting.
So, you, for a fact, you're definitely a woman who.
You give me pick me bitch vibes.
So do you as well.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, what I'm saying is that if you're generalizing and think that, oh, okay, all women are like, you know, emotional, I think she didn't say all she said.
I'm speaking to you, I'm speaking to her.
So, if you think all women are emotional and they're listening, I'm speaking to her.
Okay, no, I'm glad when she's a better woman, not all you need a bit of defense.
I can see that, but oh, do I?
Yeah, I think wrong with that.
Yeah, she's just as calm as you are.
As I said, I'm speaking to her, so seemingly you need a bit of you know defense from you know who in it.
But as I'm saying that, I don't actually need her defense, I'm continuing my point.
Do you want me to speak or do you want to keep well?
Stop being condescending, and your logic is.
That's the only reason I'm using logic.
This is actually proving my point.
You're being emotional by calling me names.
I'm not being emotional.
We're both rage debating at this point.
Does anybody here want a popsicle?
You're both doing it.
A popsicle?
Popsicle for her, please.
Popcorn?
What flavor?
It's like a little bit of a cavity, so it hurts.
Oh, shit.
She's got a cavity.
Greg has not been going.
This is our dinner.
Actually, she's gone to multiple dentists, actually.
Uh, yes, make sure you use fluoride too.
You know what?
Here, we're gonna do um, we're gonna do zero oops, zero.
You do not give me like pick me back.
I'm not what you said was a little bit no, it's actually very logical.
Stages naturally, like it's in our biology to go through emotional stages, and it's natural in us as women.
Wait, it was for her wrong girl.
You gave it to the wrong person.
Oh, you asked for one?
Toxic, we are more emotional, like it is actually biological that we are more emotional.
Like, we can't think as clearly when we're on our periods, we really cannot.
Do you want us shooting guns?
No, I don't want us.
I actually do not want to.
I might actually be like, Why should we make?
Decisions of the people who are shooting the guns.
So it has to be when we're on.
Sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, no, no.
I completely get it.
Empathy for Immigrants and Nations00:08:20
That's why I also was kind of the same aspect when it comes to making a woman president.
That was a big controversy a few years ago because of the presidency.
But I feel like in the military, as we did, we did actually.
The person who was like, oh, they didn't get drafted, we were actually made to take over all of the other jobs.
In the US, so they didn't get drafted.
No, I guess technically, but she's technically right.
We weren't made to do that.
So if we reverted back to something like that, I think that would be great because you know what?
Majority of janitors are men, so women can take over the janitorial jobs while they go to the draft, regardless.
You know, XYZ.
I don't want to go on an oil rig though, so they some of them got to stay there.
But other than that, my players go ahead.
Um, I think it was Iceland.
Iceland was the only country pretty much in the Western world to survive the economic crash of like what was it, 2007.
I was like three years old.
But it was because they had more women in finance.
And because women were, I guess, more emotional, they were more intuitive and they were able to prevent that.
And I'm not saying that the entire government should be run by women, but I think women have insight that men don't.
So having both genders being able to vote, having both genders being able to be in politics is like great.
It's awesome.
It's a balance.
It's an intuition.
Yeah, it's an intuition.
Because women use intuition a lot more.
Women are a lot more like, Wait, what?
Men can kind of be evil.
Sorry, that was loaded.
I mean, women can bleed, women can shoot guns, so they can also serve in the military, I guess.
But what is the insight that a woman could arrive at that a man couldn't?
I think men, in general, are making a generalization here, but they're a lot more money driven, a lot more economy driven, whereas women are a little bit more humanitarian.
They care about the general population more.
And yeah, I mean, I don't know if I totally agree with that.
Um, is it if do women actually care about their civilization, their nation, their neighbors?
Some do, a lot of them.
So, what I mean by that is, you might say that women are more empathetic in the sense that, Let's keep it on split for a bit.
You're alluding to female empathy, is that correct?
Yeah.
So women are empathetic to immigrants, for example, illegal immigrants.
And you might say that this is the insight that women have that they have this greater capacity for empathy for people who, look, may very well have their life circumstances would be better living in the United States.
And who's to stop someone from pursuing a better life, right?
Who are these evil men to stop?
People from illegally coming into the country.
However, we have to think about our citizenry and ourselves and our neighbors and our fellow citizens essentially.
And if it is the case that men actually have a better affinity or grasp for not just the well being of all macro individuals, but what it actually takes to have a thriving society.
Within the confines of a nation, or from the civilian perspective, the citizens of the United States, women may very well be empathetic towards the plight of illegal immigrants.
But I think it's actually men who have more empathy for the plights of the nation and the people of the nation and the citizens of the nation to whom I think we owe a greater duty than the.
Not to say that I have any animosity towards the people who are illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants.
I wish the best for everyone, but perhaps they can pursue their better life in their nation, in their own nation.
And perhaps even the United States, being quite prosperous as it is, can perhaps help neighboring nations or other nations to prosper also, whether that's through guidance or even sometimes investment.
I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with the United States helping out other nations because we are prosperous and we are, frankly, Even if it's just intellectual knowledge, like, okay, here's how you can build this certain infrastructure or whatever, that's great.
But I do think it's women who seem to be like, okay, open the floodgates to the invaders.
Well, two things here.
I think for that.
So is that actually empathy or is it men who have empathy?
Because, for example, do you kill spiders?
Yeah.
You do?
Okay.
Well, I lived in Australia and I'm in Texas, there's a lot of spiders, unfortunately.
I don't want the spiders to bite our children.
I don't want.
Sometimes the men have to act as the men who have to do this necessary thing that makes women feel bad to protect the interior.
And that's men's duty.
I have two points to this.
I think the first one is, especially when it comes to immigration, if we were to take both perspectives, right?
I think that the combination of both, we should protect our citizens, but also if someone is in a violent situation, War, right?
There should be a program that maybe we could help them out, especially if they're going to contribute to our society.
If, like, maybe not having ICE agents breaking down doors and causing chaos in society, maybe that would be a good idea.
But also, like, people from other countries who come here just because the US dollar is a little bit better and then they come and work and send money back to their family, like, maybe they shouldn't necessarily have a place in America, right?
Like, we combine both perspectives.
Also, when you think about America, I lived in Australia, there's a lot more women in government there.
There's some people here from Europe.
In these countries where there's more women in government, the homelessness issue in America is ridiculous.
I saw one homeless person in Australia, right?
Like, there is not the same type of poverty that there is in the US.
Like, maybe their economy isn't thriving, but people are at a much more equal level.
And if you were to average out the quality of life in these other countries, it's a lot better than the US.
Like, you haven't seen the homelessness.
You haven't seen Skid Row yet.
Wait, hold on.
Wait, wait.
Yeah, well, of course.
I'm getting on a tangent.
Hold on.
Yeah, but of course, yeah, there's homelessness is an issue in the United States, and the United States has certain unique characteristics about itself that.
That means that there are going to be perhaps circumstances in the United States that are more unique to the United States.
But from a prosperity perspective, like even living in the poorest state in the United States, like if you live in, I don't know if it's like Alabama or Mississippi or Oklahoma, something like that, the GDP in like the poorest state, like I don't know if it's, again, let's just say it's Alabama.
Alabama, like you, If you were to map Alabama into a country in Europe, it would essentially be like it would be better than Germany.
I think it'd be better than Germany, better than France, better than all these countries.
So, this idea that like the United States, it's like really bad here, actually, economically, we're doing far better economically in the United States, even in poor states, supposedly, than like the best countries in Europe.
You look at Germany, for example.
This is exactly the point I'm trying to make, right?
You're thinking about the economy, and that's really important.
I'm thinking about the quality of life.
I'm thinking about people that are suffering.
Like, Alabama is so poor.
People are living in trailer parks.
They're all obese because they don't even have education about food.
Like, it's not a good quality of life.
Thinking about the actual people.
There's people living in poverty in Australia.
There's trailer parks in Australia.
Yeah, but they're not nearly as common because they do have social programs there to help people out who are really poor.
They don't have, like, homelessness.
I, like, encountered one homeless person.
Deportation Policies and Common Decency00:15:28
Right.
So, even if it's the case that there are certain things.
Also, you have to realize, like, these nations are not, like, Quite as large and diverse as the United States is.
The United States has very unique.
Well, I feel like we're getting off topic here a little bit, like getting into the economy of Australia.
I don't know.
Sorry.
But I'm just trying to say, like, there's different, you have a different perspective than I do, right?
Yeah, but like, okay, let's talk about illegal immigration then.
So, like, are you in favor of illegal immigration?
I'm not, no.
So, should we deport them?
Yes, but I don't think I don't think ICE as an institution is appropriate.
But yes, I do believe in immigration.
What does that mean?
Like, they're violent.
Like, they're causing chaos in communities.
They're, like, scaring people, right?
Like, they're making families feel unsafe.
What about the riots?
What about the riots?
Have you been to a movie?
Have you seen the riots?
You can't have your cake and eat something.
It's in response to the riots.
It's in response to defending because it's gotten so violent because of the riots.
It's not I started.
It's not during riots.
I saw a video in Burlington, freaking Vermont, of an ICE agent pushing over a pregnant woman who was not involved in it.
She was there.
She probably shouldn't have been there.
But you pushed over a pregnant woman and walked away.
No one helped her.
You saw that video after the fact.
So just to be clear, your position is so even if I'm prepared, like I'm sure you could show me videos.
And I could be like, yeah, that's police misconduct.
So I'm not here to defend genuine instances of police brutality or police misconduct.
If you can point me to an instance or a video where they're doing something wrong, I agree with you.
They shouldn't do that.
However, I don't think you need to completely get rid of the enforcement arm.
That doesn't make any sense.
She didn't say that.
You should penalize.
She did say she said it's not appropriate because some of the stuff that they've been doing.
No, she says ICE as an organization shouldn't do this.
It's inappropriate.
Yeah, so just because certain ICE officers.
Have either through provocation, a lot of these instances aren't just like, hmm, I'm just gonna go like police brutality somebody today.
There's like mass amounts of like political push.
There's people in the streets rioting.
They are provocateurs.
Now, look, even if you're being provoked, the police have a duty to like still not like infringe upon anybody.
But again, if there is instances where these ICE officers are engaging in misconduct or brutality, they should be penalized.
They should be fired.
And if it gets into the realm of like, it's so bad that it's criminal, then they should be prosecuted.
However, the central mission of ICE is to enforce the immigration laws in the United States and generally to deport genuine illegal immigrants.
So I don't think we can map on the bad behavior of some ICE officers on all enforcement officers.
I'm happy to stand by you and rebuke ICE officers who are acting inappropriately.
They should be getting trouble.
They should be fired, in some cases, criminally prosecuted if it reaches into that level of a criminal act.
We definitely can't dismantle the mechanism by which we deport people.
And also, like, the protesters are creating a, what's the best way to frame this?
The protesters are creating a landscape which has the temperature really high.
And it's like, you also have to realize, I don't know if you've ever, do you ever watch body cam videos of like, not ice, but like police arresting people?
Like, I've seen, I saw this video the other day.
A police officer pulled over a black woman and he gave her 50 warnings to step out of the car before, and she was just Being like incoherent and like arguing and just completely unhinged, basically.
And before he ever laid hands on her, he gave her 50 something like 50 lawful commands turn your car off.
She, like, initially, she like he pulled her over, he stopped her, and then she actually sped away.
He got in his car, chased her down again.
He, and legally, an officer can ask you to step out of the vehicle.
That's that's lawful.
She refused to do it.
And then he had to eventually, after 50 warnings, after being very patient, they tased her.
They had to try to pull her out.
She wasn't complying.
She was being completely erratic.
So it's like in any sort of law enforcement situation, people are not acting rationally.
They're very emotional.
They realistically, if an officer is detaining you, you're not going to be able to verbally convince them out of it.
Maybe they're wrong, and maybe you can pursue that in the court system.
But if an officer says you're detained, if an officer says you're under arrest, It's like you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.
You're getting arrested.
You may as well comply.
And in this case, you have people like, and by the way, we gave warning to all these illegal immigrants.
Trump's coming into office, voluntarily deport.
So, how do we, if people won't voluntarily do it and they don't want to leave, you would agree, like if somebody is running away from a police officer, Should the police and they've committed a crime?
Should the police officer be like, Well, he wasn't compliant with my attempt to arrest him, I'm just gonna let him go?
Or does that necessitate an escalation in force in order to facilitate an arrest?
Yes, I do agree.
And I think that ICE officers should be held to the same standards that normal policemen are held to.
They are.
Which hasn't really been showing itself.
I was talking to my dad about this, and you can fact check this.
I'm not sure if it's 100% true.
But he told me that if an illegal immigrant is charged with a very minor crime, or they don't really commit the crime, but the cops are called on them, they don't get deported from that.
They just don't provide documentation, or they don't ask for documentation like that.
And that would be a great way to start deporting people that deserve to be deported, right?
If the cops are called on them for domestic violence or for a traffic violation, they should have to provide documentation.
Now you're getting rid of people that.
Deserve to be, I guess, deported first, at least.
And then.
I mean, I don't disagree.
If regular police officers, through the course of investigating a given crime, this person happens to be an illegal immigrant, I mean, that's.
Yes, why not?
But I don't know how that's.
Isn't that not letting them get off easy if they just go back to their country and they're not prosecuted?
Let's do this, though.
You know what?
I guess.
Just show of hands.
Who here, just curious, who here thinks that the deportations are wrong?
Anybody?
Show of hands?
I think.
Mike's.
Mike, Depends on what's happening.
Depends on what kind of crime you're committing.
No crime.
But if people are in transit of getting their papers, they should.
At least be given a chance.
That's what I'm thinking.
Okay, what do you think?
I think they're not alone.
I think they inappropriately detain people.
I don't agree with the cages.
I don't agree with separating families.
And also in recent events, I just read an article that was talking about how they deport them to not even their hometowns or their home country.
And kids are being abused too.
So it's like you're separating families, you're putting them in cages.
They're not separating families.
Actually, the cages are gone.
That was Obama.
The cages are still being in effect because I have family members.
That were separated.
So, no, don't say you're pulling people together.
No, they're not.
I'm okay.
Okay.
What did you say?
I have a family member.
I don't understand.
I have a family member.
When we say they're ripping families apart, so could this mean, for example, let's say you have a Mexican legal, like who has Mexican heritage, who's a legal citizen, and he had a cousin in Mexico, crossed the border illegally six months ago, and this cousin, Mexican cousin, who's not a citizen, is living with the legal citizen.
Technically, this falls under the definition of ripping families apart.
You would agree, though, that they should not deport the legal American citizen.
They're a legal American citizen.
They can't deport them.
So, this technically would fall under the criteria of ripping the family apart.
So, what do we mean really when we're talking about separating families?
If there's a member of a family who's a legal citizen and they would not be subject to deportation, perhaps they can, if their entire family is going back to Mexico, perhaps they can voluntarily go back to Mexico to be with their deported family.
But this idea that Wow, we're separating families.
If you're an illegal immigrant here in the United States, like, I don't get it.
Okay, if I'm falsely arresting, if I go to Japan, they are.
Hold on, if I go to Japan and I knock up a big titty, big labia Japanese chick and I have a kid with her and I stay there illegally in Japan, that's my family right.
Uh, do you object to Japan deporting me?
If you have a family member, I'm not a citizen, I'm I overstayed my visa.
Do you feel that you have a right to get citizenship?
There perhaps is a pathway to citizenship, but my current state.
But do you agree that the pathway here is not difficult and takes up to 15 years?
Up to 15 years, perhaps.
But yes, they should do it legally.
If you're here illegally, then there's the issue.
Okay, so where's the cutoff in that process?
I don't know.
Sometimes it can be quick.
You're completely 100% right about the Obama ministry, starting with the ice, having the cages.
It doesn't mean it disappeared.
It's first of all.
So, okay, we're going to do it.
The children that are here when they're born here, they are citizens, right?
Should we wait, wait, so where do we put so?
Okay, you do realize when you get arrested for a crime, you are put in jail, and that is there are bars, it is a jail, it is a cage.
Okay, uh, if you've seen like even if you're a citizen, you get arrested for something, especially in like a big populated city, you get into put in a holding cell with like, uh, I mean, I've seen these video like these, you know, going into jail documentaries, there's like you're shoulder to shoulder with people in there sometimes, and the The processing thing, or whatever, I don't know the exact terminology.
Okay, that would be the same application for.
Should we just let them, like these illegal immigrants who were trying to deport, should they just be roaming free?
That's not what I said.
Are you a Trump supporter?
We're just talking about the brutality of the country.
I'm talking about exactly what I'm saying is.
So you are a Trump supporter?
Just because they have that authority doesn't mean they're ethical.
I don't think that's what I'm saying.
You're comparing people who came here to have a better life to people who did Grand Theft Auto and stole stuff.
People are so locked up for weed, bro.
Like there's differences that we can make, but you're targeting the concept.
When there's other solutions and other pathways to this.
Okay, so there's a question for you.
You can let those people go out of the prison and put regular beds in there for the kids.
If you want to put the family in there, you can put that with the kids.
Fix it up.
I don't know, but not the putting people separate, not sending people to the different freaking countries.
Like, no, like I said, I have.
Hold on, stop, stop, stop.
Exactly.
So, okay, what you're talking about, my understanding, that is not the majority of people who are getting deported.
Now, I think you're overstating the number of people who are getting sent to a different country than their origin.
This could potentially be because they're lying about their country of origin.
We don't entirely know.
But I'm happy to agree with you that if you're a Mexican national, then you should not be deported to an African country.
So I can agree with you there.
If that is in fact happening, I think perhaps there are instances of it.
Of the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of deportations that do occur, they are sending the people, 99.99% of them, they are being sent to their country of origin.
So we're resorting to this.
Appeal to an extreme thing here, but question for you if I can point you to an illegal immigrant who, let's say he has no family here, so he's not being ripped from his family and he's being deported, say he's from Peru and we send him back to Peru, do you, does your objection to deportation remain?
If he's, if, if he's deported just straight away, like found him, okay, take him away, where's, well, okay, how's he gonna live?
Your objections, is he gonna be able to get his money from here?
Hold on, your objections, your objections were.
Ripping families apart and sending them to countries that aren't theirs.
So, again, if I could point you to a situation which is like 99% of deportations, they're not being ripped apart from their family, they're being sent back to their country of origin.
Are you okay in that circumstance with deportations?
If they can sustain themselves, yes.
Yeah, of course.
Sustain themselves.
That's not a responsibility.
That's not a responsibility.
If they have a life here and you take them, if I say, hey, and we're all, we can all agree that we're all, if we're not all indigenous, some of us are here.
Are indigenous, but if we aren't, and somebody back then did the same thing, which they have been throughout the years, and then we wanted to change it and we wanted to make it a better place and make America great, why is it that the way that we're doing it is not trying to make sure that we're keeping that human decency and respect?
Because you guys were talking about it about dating.
You guys are still not, you're completely different when it comes to having them live and eat and drink food and water.
That doesn't make any sense.
So you want common decency so I can let you know if I had sex two nights ago.
But you don't have common decency to make sure that they're living and well where they're being sent?
They've been pre warned.
What does that have to do?
May I explain what that is?
That doesn't make sense.
I see what you're trying to say, but the thing is, I see what you're trying to say, but these people have been pre warned that this is going to be happening.
This is not a surprise.
This is not a girl coming on a date where she's going to fuck someone else an hour later.
This is not the same type of common decency.
This is just about they've been warned, they knew it was going to happen, so don't be surprised when it happens.
You're here illegally doing something that's wrong.
That's it.
If someone comes into my house and I don't want them there and they can't survive without me helping them, I don't care.
They're in my house.
Even if they've lived majority here, like you still agree, like they've been.
If I may, go ahead.
Basically, deportation needs to happen.
People should not be in the countries they are not legally supposed to be in.
I don't care if you got family, I don't care who you are, I don't care if you committed a crime.
If you committed a crime, Then you should definitely do that.
That's a crime.
It is a crime.
It's a crime, right?
But I mean, like a banning of the government.
We can actually help people better in their own countries.
Like, if we better our country first, we don't need to do that.
Because we are struggling because there are so many illegals in our country.
We're not doing that because we are giving our resources to people underserving to our resources.
Okay, wasn't it?
We're giving our stuff back to America like our ancestors came to America.
Illegal Immigration and Legal Consequences00:06:40
Why all this?
We'll do it the legal way.
Again, it's the same when you pay a lot of people out of the country.
We're not talking about the UK.
We're talking about the US right now.
Why are there so many illegals in this country?
Because it's the best country in the world.
Why are they coming here?
Because they're the best country in the world.
Why are they allowed to come here?
And why have they so easily come here?
They're not allowed.
They're not allowed.
That's the thing.
Well, clearly, ISIS is showing that they've been here for such a long time.
There are people that have been habited here for so many years.
We haven't secured the borders.
Terrible presidents is wild.
I don't really see how the why is super pertinent, to be honest.
You can come in as a tourist and just remain in any country.
It's not that difficult.
Could I finish?
What did you say?
So basically, in other countries, you are not going to stay there if you do not have a visa.
I got fined 10,000 RMB coming out late out of China and had to write an apology letter to the government for going out late.
And if I did this too many times or even the first time, They could tell me I can't come back there for five years.
An apology.
It doesn't matter if I have family.
It doesn't matter if I have pets there.
It doesn't matter if I have a life there.
So, why are we in America giving these things to more and more people to come here, disrespect us and our countries, our taxpayer dollars?
And then, why are we bringing these people in here?
And when you go out on a date with someone, if we can bring it back to the topic of dating, then how do you know you're not dating an illegal?
How do you know you're not dating someone who doesn't belong here?
It doesn't matter why they need to go.
I would date an illegal.
Done.
So, you want them gone, but you date them.
They are illegal.
Yeah, let me make things.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, babe.
If they come legal, you can use the deportation as just.
The reason why so many people are coming or have come to America is because we weren't strict about immigration.
So, why aren't you upset?
Like, we should have been enforcing that.
Right.
The whole time.
The whole time.
Yes.
That's why they're coming here.
They're also coming here because the U.S. Like, I agree.
A lot of people live in beautiful places, there's a lot of beautiful areas to live in, in, say, Mexico.
But the US dollar is so valuable that they might send one of their younger sons to come to America, work, send their money back home.
In those cases, yes, I agree with deportation.
And I think we need to be stricter about it going forward.
We need to enforce visas.
But there isn't reasons to believe in it for one reason or a few reasons.
It's illegal.
They don't belong here.
But we let it happen.
Do that in their country, and you will be able to get a job.
Why the fuck would you do that?
What happened?
Yeah, why would you do that?
You could have closed it.
What happened?
This door, you could close the door.
I know it sometimes doesn't.
Just close the door if you need to use the bathroom.
We let it happen.
If they've been here 10 years, they built a life, like we're going to retroactively go back and send them back?
Yes.
I mean, yes, the correction has to be made.
That's how hundreds of years went into it.
Send you back, you back, you back.
All of the time.
My parents got their citizenship.
Okay, hold on, real quick.
Here, Tiffany, pull up the Discord, go into the DMs.
You're going to click on the blue icon, get into the DMs, B Gaming B. You're going to pull up the first message.
You're going to make it full screen.
You're going to go into the video tab.
And with a DM message, we have the video proof of me not saying that shit.
She owes me $100.
Shock.
All right, and then just play from the beginning and go full screen with the video.
Full screen, make sure you're full screen with the video first.
Like the video.
Do you have it?
Okay, yeah.
What people deserve.
Listen, life's not fair.
Okay, so should we take away women's right to vote?
Should we take away women's right to vote?
Not, we should take away women's right to vote.
You're implying it, though.
You're implying it.
Yes, you are.
You're implying it.
Do you know the difference between how do I explain this to you?
Yeah, how do you?
Do you think that if you ask someone, should we do this thing, does that mean that you co sign the thing that you're asking them to do?
No, but it seems like you're implying it.
If you're putting it out there, then you're implying it.
It wouldn't be implied.
Absolutely.
It wouldn't be implied.
Yes, it would.
Okay.
If I were to ask you, should.
And don't put some pseudo intellectual metaphor that.
Like, that's stupid.
Like, just say something that's actually realistic.
I want to bring it up.
Actually, you know what?
I guess a couple things here.
We have some disagreements on the immigration thing.
Just really quick.
So, okay, you seem a bit on the fence about it.
Is anybody here an immigrant?
I was.
Granddaughter of immigrants.
My parents are.
But, like, you're not a citizen of the U.S.?
No, I was an immigrant in the United Kingdom, but legally.
You live in the U.K. What about you?
My grandparents came in from Cuba.
Okay, but you're.
But I'm legal.
Yes, they came in legally.
Born here?
Yes.
But parents or?
I have family that are immigrants.
Okay, what about you?
I am an immigrant.
Mike.
I'm an immigrant and proud of it.
You moved here when you were three?
When I was young, yes, and we're citizens.
Okay, got it.
Anybody here, maybe not an immigrant, but your parents maybe were immigrants?
Okay, for you, where from?
My dad was from Holland, my mom was from Mexico, and they both came here legally.
Okay, so you're part like European, part Mexican?
Yes.
Okay.
All right, I have a question on this actually, which I think is interesting.
Let's see.
And are you trying to become a U.S. citizen or no?
No, I have no interest in that.
Okay, you're just visiting.
Yes.
All right, she's just visiting.
Really quick question, then we're going to move it back to dating.
Okay, so I guess for you three, just because of the heritage, right?
Mexico, El Salvador, and Mexico.
Okay.
Question.
In a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the United States and your birth, or excuse me, not your birth country, between the United States and the country of your background or your parents' birth country, whatever it may be.
So in this case, Mexico for you, El Salvador, Mexico for you, where neither country is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance, starting with you?
To Mexico or the USA?
The US.
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USA?
Okay.
El Salvador?
Okay.
What about you?
US.
Okay.
All right.
There it is, folks.
All right.
Nothing to really argue about there then.
I was just curious about that.
All right.
Let's do.
Everyone except the Jews are allegiance to the US.
Bro, you're fucking goofy.
What do you.
I feel like Jews are in more allegiance to the US.
Is it Israel or like Titus?
No.
I mean, look at Ben Shapiro, for example.
He alleges to the US.
He alleges to Israel more than the US.
Let's be so real.
And she called me a pick me.
Yeah, but I'm not that jeeves.
What do you mean I called you a pick me?
I wasn't addressing you.
Bro, I'm trying to get it back to dating.
I'm trying to get it back to dating.
It's a debate.
People can talk to each other.
Yeah, exactly.
I can say whatever I want.
And she can respond to you, and you don't have to address it.
How am I a pick me, though?
When you don't like what's going on with the podcast, because I watch other podcasts and I speak to other commentators, I'm a pick me.
Both of you, stop.
I was about to move it on to something else.
Because I have intelligence, I'm a pick me.
I was about to move it.
Okay, stop.
We're going to move it on to something else.
We have Gorlock the Destroyer here.
On a scale of zero to 10, rate your own looks, face, body, total, and you can't pick seven, starting with you.
Okay.
Really quick, let me.
Face?
Can I say 6.9?
So do it like this.
No haves.
No.
Do it like this.
Okay.
No haves.
So say, for example, I'll give you how I would say it face, 4.5, body, 4.5, total, 4.5.
Is that for you?
For me.
Yeah.
So you could, and you don't have to be the same number.
You could be like face, seven, or actually, don't say seven.
Yeah, I can.
Face eight, body nine, total 8.5, whatever, something like that.
Okay.
Face six, body nine, total.
That would be total seven.
So wait, you said.
It would be 7.5 total.
So you said six, face nine.
Yeah.
So it would technically be 7.5.
Okay.
What about eight overall?
Let's say eight overall.
Face ten, body ten, total 20.
That's not how math works, but okay.
Divine feminine.
Face like three body, maybe four total 3.5.
Okay, what about you?
Can I re rate her?
No, answer the question, please.
I'm making a joke.
I know, I'm just trying to move things along because we'll be here all night otherwise.
Well, um, I'd say face eight closer to the mic, please.
So, seven closer to the mic, please.
Uh, face eight, uh, body six, maybe 7.2.
I put okay, sure.
What about you?
I don't want to do halves.
All together, eight.
So, safe.
I have to do it like face and body and everything.
Okay.
Body, eight, face, eight, and all together rating eight.
Okay.
Same thing eight, face, eight, body, spirit, 10, 20.
Okay.
I would say face, eight, body, six, and then I would probably say what's balance, seven.
Okay.
Face, eight, you said.
Mm hmm.
Okay, next.
I would say phase six, body four, so total five.
Phase six, body four, total five.
All right, next.
And I would say phase six, body six, total six.
All right, interesting there.
I disagree with quite a few of these ratings, no offense.
Are you going to rate us?
What's that?
Are you going to rate us?
Yeah, I could do that.
I'll rate you guys.
That's correct.
I'll do the ratings.
A couple questions before I give my ratings, though.
I do want to do a few things here.
Hmm.
Six, ten.
First, maybe I should rate you guys first so you guys are not generous in my direction.
I want you, and you to rate me.
I will not be offended if you rate me low.
I'm not going to be offended, of course.
Now, I want.
When I do rate you guys, even if I've disagreed with you, even if you've annoyed me to no end, I will not be vindictive.
I will not rate you intentionally low.
I'm not going to be like, you're a one because you're annoying.
Perhaps on the annoying scale, you might be.
Well, a 10, I guess.
Well, 10 on the annoying scale, I don't know.
I will not be vindictive.
I will not rate you lower in terms of your looks because I disagree with you.
I ask for the same what's the right word?
The same, what is the word?
The same reciprocation?
I guess, sure.
I asked for the same leeway.
So just rate me on your looks.
Try to be unbiased, even though maybe half of you hate me.
So just on looks.
I'd love to have you stand and twirl because I don't think you're fat.
Take off the sweatshirt.
No, I'm serious.
I don't really think you're fat.
You might be a little chunky.
You're a little chunky or something.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not obese, but I'm definitely a bit fat.
It's okay, though.
Thank you for the compliment, I guess.
I do the same thing.
I just look so fat.
But really quick.
So, I'm actually not going to do, you don't have to rate body.
Let's just do face.
I'm not going to rate body either.
I'm just going to do face ratings.
I find body can be a bit more subjective than face.
So, just give me a face rating out of 0 to 10.
When you were younger, I would have given you a little higher.
I think you're a nice looking guy.
There's nothing wrong with you.
Your nose is a little big, but symmetrically, yeah, you're good.
I'd say a 7.
Okay.
Okay, 7.
Not average, but above.
Okay, all right.
I think you're a bit high there, but sure.
Okay, what about you?
Four.
Mike.
Four.
Four, okay.
What about you?
Five.
I would say five.
You would say five?
I would also say five.
You would also say five.
Okay.
All right.
Now, interesting.
Every single woman here rated me lower than them.
Some of which, for some of you, may be justified.
However, well, perhaps one of you.
So, I would say, for example, you.
Now, I disagree with your rating of yourself, but I would say, comparatively speaking, in terms of looks, I would say you would rate higher than me in looks, right?
So, I'm not going to pick on you too much, right?
Okay.
So, you gave me, I think, a four, right?
Yeah.
So, you're an eight, you gave me a seven.
Well, I figured I'm around a seven ish.
Well, you gave yourself an eight, but you gave yourself an eight, you gave me a five, you gave yourself an eight, you gave me a five.
You gave yourself a six, you gave me a five.
Now, the question here is for you, for you, for you, and for you, would you feel, not factoring in other things, right?
Would you feel as if, if we were dating from just a purely looks perspective, that you would be perhaps slightly settling for me, or perhaps even for you, you only, I'm one point off of you, but for the rest of you, I'm three points off of you.
Well, I'm one point off of you.
Would you feel as though you guys were settling on the looks front?
Starting with you, if we were to date.
If you had a nice suit on and stuff, I'd be proud to be with you.
Well, answer the question though.
So, am I settling?
I don't know if that's such a thing.
Well, you rated me lower, so I mean, it's almost assumed that you would be settling, looks wise.
No, because I go by the whole package.
You can't label me.
Well, just on the looks front, you would be settling, though.
So you can, oh my God, I'm not settling.
No, because I thought I was like a seven overall, but you wanted me to get a seven.
No, but you said looks face eight.
Okay, all right.
Well, what about you?
What do you think?
You gave yourself an eight.
You gave yourself an eight.
You gave me a five.
Do you feel you would be substantially settling for me?
Is that correct?
Not substantially, but you know, it's about confidence and how you feel about yourself.
And you have to, sometimes you have bad days, sometimes you have good days, and you just have to motivate yourself and be proud of who you are and what you have.
I don't think that answers the question.
Settling, though, I wouldn't be, I mean, I wouldn't say I was settling for you, but I would say that.
But you're an eight.
You gave yourself an eight face and you gave me a five face.
Maybe I thought you had a good personality.
No, I understand that, but I'm just talking about looks.
So you would, from just purely the looks front, you would feel as if you were settling.
Um, I've dated guys that were fives, so you know, okay, sure.
Uh, what about you?
I would say no, I paid for so, so you gave yourself an eight, you gave me a five.
Uh, in so, do you feel as if if we were dating, you would be just on the looks front, you would be dating down?
No, but that doesn't make sense because, on one hand, you rated me a five, but you're you consider yourself an eight.
I wouldn't be dating you if I didn't like you.
No, no.
Women are more attractive than men are.
And I like ugly people sometimes too.
No, no, no, but again, you guys are doing a trick here where you're saying, well, I like other things about you.
But I'm asking, dating down.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, yes, then yes, just if you were ugly, you're a terrible person, yes, Especially number one.
It's not even about the personality.
I understand that there's a mismatch in personality.
Dressing and grade.
Oh, no, but.
Can I interject one thing?
Maybe, I'm sorry, but.
You know, it's a dating podcast.
She might not think your looks are that attractive to her.
So it wouldn't be trading down.
You're just not that attractive to her.
So I acknowledge.
She's not attracted to you.
Does that make sense?
Well, I acknowledge that people have types, for example.
Like, I mean, I'm white, Asian, Latina, but I can see a black woman, and I could be like, there are definitely black women who are more attractive than me, even though they're just objectively more attractive.
Yeah.
Well, maybe I shouldn't say objective in the strict philosophical sense, but that's besides the point.
But I can definitely see there are definitely black women who are more attractive than Asian women.
Oh, you're attracted to black women though?
They're not my type.
Some black women I find them attractive, but generally speaking, I'd say I have a preference for either white, Asian, or Latino women.
So, yeah.
However, like for example, say, do you have a type in terms of race, like Latino men, or you date white guys?
Okay.
Like, for example, I believe a woman who only dates black guys could look at Brad Pitt when he was young and be like, Well, he's not my type.
I don't really like white guys, but he's a really handsome guy.
Like, I'm sure plenty of black women would be like, Yeah, he's, I prefer black men, but he's really handsome.
Right.
Maybe I'll break my rule, you know.
So, and I guess to you, you said you're a six, I'm a five.
Would you feel like you'd be settling for me, looks wise, if we were to date?
No.
But again, you said you were six, I'm a five.
It has to be assumed that you, I mean, you'd either have to bump me up, bump you down.
Maybe we're both 5.5s.
Yeah.
Okay, so we got eight, we got eight, we got eight.
Interesting.
Well, I think this is, I'll give you guys your ratings here in just a moment.
That's your opinion, though.
So that's not going to define our official rating of what we feel about ourselves.
That's true.
I think my opinion is probably more based in reality than your perhaps biased self opinion.
But I do think it is interesting.
I think this is one of the issues when it comes to dating.
And people often ask me, Brian, why do you ask the rating question?
And I think it's a temperature check for where do women think they stand in the dating landscape and the dating marketplace.
So I do think it is the case.
This is one of my positions.
And perhaps you might think it's misogynist.
Self awareness is important.
That I do think, generally speaking, not all women, of course.
I think a lot of women tend to overestimate how attractive they are.
And this can even go beyond looks.
Some women think, wow, I have such a great personality, and blah, blah, blah.
Oftentimes, not even the case there.
But there is a tendency, men do this too, to be fair.
Men can overestimate their looks or their whatever characteristics that typically the opposite sex finds attractive.
But I do think it's a primarily female thing where there is an overestimation of your attractiveness.
And frankly, it's a major fucking issue when it comes to dating.
Because if you have women who think they're more attractive than they actually are, and they believe that, well, they're not going to date guys on their league, even though it's like for.
Outsiders, it's like, yo, that's your league.
Oh, I'm not attracted to him.
Terrible for the dating marketplace.
Are you trauma dumping right now?
No, I'm not trauma dumping.
I'm just articulating an observation which I happen to believe is true.
Do you disagree?
I feel like guys who feel that women are out of their league need a reason to believe that, oh, she thinks she's out of my league because of, you know, XYZ complications.
Do I give off the impression that.
I have like an overinflated sense of my attractiveness, and that that thus means that I'm deserving of like top tier supermodel women.
You give off like nonchalant, like I got.
Do you want to answer the question?
I got status, like I got a couple bags here, like I might as well have like a top tier woman, but I got to act nonchalant about it.
Yeah, what have I said that would actually lead you to that?
You haven't said it, but you said, do I give off the vibe?
I'm saying vibe.
Right, but I think throughout the course of the night, I've, for example, I rated myself 4.5.
I have no delusions or illusions as to my looks.
I'm self aware.
So, if I were to assess myself again, I'm not sitting here calling myself a 10, as a lot of women do.
I don't think I'm a 10 in looks, certainly.
But you're aware that women don't just go off look sometimes when they see opportunity, they grab that.
Yeah, women care about other characteristics, but I think looks are a big part of dating for both men and women.
Both men and women care about it.
Depends what they want out of it.
I would argue for genuine levels of attraction, like for genuine attraction, typically for most women, we're not going to talk about like gold digger outliers.
For most women, there has to be a degree of physical attraction.
Same with men.
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Huh?
To be intimate.
To want to date somebody.
There has to be a baseline physical attraction.
There's nothing wrong with that in either direction.
I think it's okay for women to have preferences when it comes to a man's looks and vice versa.
But in any case.
I feel like men get more invested in women's looks than women do.
I have some disagreements there, but I think I will finish off on the looks rating component here.
I do think it is the case that what we just witnessed here.
Well, here, let me give it the looks ratings, and then I perhaps can explain it better.
May I make one comment?
Sure.
The looks thing also, too, you have to think about different countries.
Like when I was in Asia, I was what I consider to be overweight, kind of like.
You.
I was chubbier and stuff, and I really didn't like myself very much.
And it was funny because the one professor came up to me and said, You know, you're a very attractive woman.
And I'm like, Really?
You know, I was really down on myself too.
And it was because of my big eyes and my higher nose.
That's their beauty standard.
So in different countries, it can be different too, which is interesting.
I mean, yes, there's obviously some varying.
My nose gave it to me, you know, my big eyes.
The thing, I mean, yeah, there's obviously certain.
Traits, typically more minor traits, are valued differently in different countries.
You compare Asia, you compare the United States, you try to compare Africa, you compare Europe, you compare Latin America, whatever it is.
You know, you go to Brazil, maybe there's a different thing there, whatever it is, right?
However, I would say a genuinely head turning, beautiful woman in Asia or in Brazil or in the United States.
That is going to translate 90% to whatever country they go to.
Like, there's never a scenario where typically, where like a beautiful, stunning woman in Brazil is going to be deemed ugly in the United States or ugly in Europe.
And so, I like, yeah, there's slight certain differences here.
Yeah.
Like, Asia has some slight differences, but like a beautiful woman in Asia, like men in America are probably going to find her.
Pretty attractive too.
So there are differences.
It was kind of quite interesting because my nose and my eyes did it for them.
And it was this consensus throughout everybody because I was like, is that really true here?
So I asked some of the students and things and it was really interesting to learn.
How old were you when that happened?
I'm just curious.
About 50.
Oh, really?
Okay, because I feel like with the internet, beauty standards are like modge podging together.
But back then, that might have been more true when there was less intercultural.
No.
Perhaps maybe.
It wasn't because I was white, it was because of the nose and the eyes.
Very, very specific.
But I was a little fat, as I always like to say.
You're a little fat.
Yeah, I mean, also.
We'd all be almost a little fat there.
But also, I don't think you should confuse.
Like, almost all women can get sexual attention from men.
And, like, being bombarded with sexual attention doesn't necessarily reflect your level of true, genuine, aesthetic attractiveness.
Like, for example, you can put an average girl on a dating app and she can fuck five dudes.
It doesn't mean she's a supermodel.
It doesn't mean she's beautiful.
It just.
Right.
She's a woman, excuse me.
So.
We're not really talking about that.
We're talking about what other people are finding and certain cultures and different things.
Like I said, I found it quite interesting.
But that's what did it there.
I was like, because I, to me, felt fat.
And they did call me a little fat, at least.
Well, the other thing you have to contend with is a oftentimes effective dating strategy is flattery.
Well, it certainly isn't typically effective to just insult a woman, it's certainly at best neutral and oftentimes positive to compliment a woman.
Right.
Like it would never occur.
But again, there was no reason for him to say that.
He just said, You are, and this is why.
Just trying to fuck you.
No, he wasn't.
Okay.
Like I said, I asked the other students, What's the beauty standard here?
And they said, Definitely the nose, the eyes.
Well, I think people, even if they don't have a desire to have sex with you, will still flatter, like women.
China's completely different.
They don't flatter very much.
Even heterosexual women will flatter other women.
Who are clearly not beautiful and call them beautiful.
You need not look further than a fat woman's Instagram page to see all her friends.
Oh my God, Slay Queen, I wish I looked like you.
You're so beautiful.
Yeah, we spoke about it.
Yeah, this idea that just because you're receiving compliments, like for example, I mean, every mom says they're, you're so beautiful, son.
You're so beautiful, you're so handsome.
To them?
Yes.
Yeah, but I mean.
It's confusing to guys.
Anyways, um, are you saying that because that's some of the girls on the panel?
Is that what you're saying?
Is what I'm saying.
You're assuming that some of the girls on the panel are saying that to their friends, women in general.
No, I'm saying this is a phenomenon.
I don't know if women on this panel do it.
I would assume, I would assume, uh, there's a good chance that the women on this panel have, uh, you know, perhaps left an Instagram comment on a friend's thing who it's clearly an unattractive woman, and they're like, oh my god, you're so beautiful, Slay Queen.
Whether they do or don't, I think I don't really care, to be honest, though.
It is a phenomenon.
It is something that women do.
So, the question okay, ratings, looks ratings.
Let's see here.
Actually, really quick before I do, to the women who gave themselves eights, boom, boom, boom, boom, do you guys think Megan Fox is an eight?
Megan Fox?
Yeah.
Is she an eight, a nine, or a ten?
I think she's a ten.
Give me a male.
We're talking about our faces, right?
Can you give me a male celebrity who's an eight?
A male salute?
Yeah, starting with you.
I don't know celebrities like that.
I don't know.
I don't know celebrities.
Bruno Mars is a 10.
Don't play with him.
Okay.
Kevin Hart?
Kevin Hart is an 8.
I don't know, man.
I'm just picking.
I'm just picking.
No way.
He's less.
Fuck.
I'm thinking.
Hold on.
Yeah.
He's a short king.
He's an 8.
Who's the one dating Zendan?
I can give you a 10, Ryan Reynolds.
Don't they?
He's got a nice baby face.
Oh, I think Ryan Reynolds is probably an 8.
I have no idea.
For you.
Ryan Pitt now.
I'm just not good with things.
Okay, what about the woman who's an 8?
Can you throw out any women who are 8s?
Lenny Sweeney is an 8.
I think she's less.
I think she's less.
Okay.
How about you two?
Two women who are 8s.
Or one woman, excuse me.
Yeah, I can't write names.
The girl from Veronica Mars.
What's her name?
Gal Gadol.
Sandra Bullock?
Maybe?
No.
Okay, all right, that's fine.
Yeah, she's like the.
Yeah, but she's nice looking.
Okay, all right.
Here, I'm going to do the looks ratings then.
All right, so, Greta, you gave yourself a six.
For face?
For face, yeah.
You said body's higher, but I'm just going to do face ratings.
Okay.
Ideally, I am a solid seven.
Can you turn your face that way?
I know my maxilla is pretty recessed.
I wasn't assessing anything.
He's doing a Kabloot killer right now.
Okay, you can look back.
Truth be told, Greta, I actually think you underrated yourself slightly.
You gave yourself a six.
I think I'd put you, perhaps a face, I think I'd put you closer to 6.5, maybe even seven.
Okay.
In the face.
You have strong aesthetics.
Could we have pictures?
I could give you a breakdown on pros and cons or whatever, but I think I'll just leave it.
I also have no work done, so there's some potential here if I got work done.
I don't think you should get work done, to be honest.
Well, everyone has work done.
Can I say, why don't you have work done, though?
I don't think you would say, like, would you get in those jobs?
Not everyone.
Yeah, and maybe chin filler.
My chin is quite like risky.
No, your chin's fine.
You don't need to do that.
Maybe like under Botox.
No, you don't need any of that shit.
Yeah, I think I'd give you 6.5 to 7 for you.
You gave yourself a 10.
What did I give you last time?
Do you remember?
No, I don't really.
I have a hard time listening to men when they talk.
So it comes back around.
Fair enough.
So, I think I'm trying to work.
I think I gave you 5.5.
It was something like that, or like a six point, like around there.
I don't know.
I think it was like a 5.5 to sleep.
I think I gave you between a five and a six, somewhere around there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
You gave yourself a three.
You gave yourself a three.
I did.
So, again, I actually disagree with you.
I think you underrated yourself.
You underrated yourself quite a bit, not just minimally.
When I think minimally, I think like 0.5 to 1.
I honestly think I would put you, I think I'd give you 5 to 6 in that range.
So you underrated, perhaps you're just trying to be humble.
If I'm comparing myself to what I think is a 10, like a Megan Fox, I think I sit at the 3.5.
That's why.
Well, so you got to, okay, so I guess perhaps I'll get back to the range.
Here's the ratings, right?
So I think ratings go something like this.
Well, at least I'll start with five.
So five is average.
The majority of people fall at five.
Six is to just put an, I guess, would this be an adjective?
I need to go back to English class.
It's been a while.
So, okay, five is average.
Six is cute.
Seven is pretty.
Eight is beautiful.
Nine is like we're talking elite, supermodel.
There's no such thing as 10.
10 is perfect.
10 doesn't really exist.
I think you can get to like 9.5, and that would be like your specific type.
Nine plus she's your type.
So there's that.
But yeah, you said three.
I definitely think you underrated yourself five to six.
You gave yourself a.
Oh, no, you did say seven.
I think you said seven, right?
Yeah.
I didn't make a seven.
You gave yourself a seven.
Now, I do, of course, have to be considerate of your 60.
Over 60.
And I mean, you're wearing full face with makeup.
Four.
You just for some reason have to put contact lenses in, so it's a bit hard.
I don't know if I've ever rated a.
Do you want to see my face without makeup?
Maybe later.
How about that?
Interesting.
Interesting.
I would ask.
Interesting.
I would ask.
For my age, it's hard to, yeah.
I usually am typically rating people between like in their 20s to 40s.
So you're a unique case for me.
Do I rate it?
Do I go off of age or do I go off of just purely facial structure?
Pure beauty.
I don't know how to rate a 64 year old, to be honest.
Come on, it's a woman.
I think, like, I mean, attractive, not attractive.
If you're competing against, um, The entire market, then I mean, you'd probably be a three.
But for your age, I would say you're average for your age.
So I'd put you at a five.
An average?
I put that above average for her age.
I would say for your age.
I mean, even I would give myself a little more.
Yeah, above average.
I mean, I'm not like.
Like, how old is it?
Like, how old is your mom?
I don't know how that'd be relevant.
I'd say she's average looking for her age.
No, I don't have any.
Yeah, no.
I'd say for her age, I'd say she's average looking.
Wow.
You gave yourself an eight.
Yeah.
Okay, you've got fake lashes.
Are your freckles real or fake?
They're real.
Okay.
Can you turn your face that way?
Oh my God, you have to turn your freckles.
More.
Turn.
Why are you hesitant?
I mean, like, you want to see the jawline.
Like, I get what I'm trying to do.
Yeah, okay.
You're good.
You can turn back.
Have you ever had any plastic surgery or anything?
No.
That's a compliment, but I think I well, I was just asking for clarity.
No.
I don't detect any plastic surgery, but you never know.
Yeah, I think I'd put you somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5.
That's a fucking joke in that range.
Well, I mean, 6.5 is that's a very good rating.
Anytime you get over 5.5 to 6, that's 6 is a good rating.
You're attractive at 6, but well, I mean, you can even be attractive.
I mean, you're even attractive at 5, but 5.5 to 6.5, I think, is a Pretty fair.
Nah, that's fucking genuine.
I'd say I'm seven.
Sexual tension right here.
Wait, what?
You've been hitting on her this whole time.
Yeah, you said we can't do seven.
You said we couldn't do seven.
Well, I said 5.5 to 6.5, and this is, I get to say seven if I'm so inclined.
Alrighty then.
But okay, going to you, you gave yourself an eight.
You are 48, is that correct?
That is correct.
Okay.
And proud.
All right.
I think I would give you a four.
That's okay.
That's your opinion.
Sure.
Okay.
You gave me a five.
Yes.
Well, you gave yourself an eight, correct?
Yes.
Okay.
And are you full Mexican or like half white, half Mexican?
No, I'm Latina.
I'm Mexican.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, there's white Mexicans technically.
I mean, I'm a little Mexican American.
Yeah.
So don't take this the wrong way.
It's okay.
I don't.
You actually have.
So, okay, you struggle with the same issue that I face, which is we're both a bit overweight.
And again, I'm not saying this as a form of attack.
I think mine looks a little bit better on me, though, but I just gotta be honest.
Well, I think you're gonna sweat that day.
You are a bit.
If we're doing.
Well, okay, I'm not gonna go there, but.
You said you're not talking about that on mine.
Well, so what I am gonna say, though, is.
You actually have, I think you have a good baseline facial aesthetics.
So, but what is holding you back from ascending is ascending.
I'm actually descending because I lost over 45 pounds.
Well, that's good.
I'm getting there right now.
That is good.
I would say, though, you do have like, I think if you lost weight, you could maybe mog a little bit.
Not gonna lie.
Like, I think if you lost a bit of weight, like your facial aesthetics could really be pretty solid.
Okay, it's right there, guys.
It's right there.
You're just very pretty.
She's going to stop mugging, guys.
Thank you so much.
So, I think, though, given the current, I have to give you a rating.
Facial Aesthetics and Weight Loss00:04:04
You gave yourself an eight.
I would give you between a four and a five.
Okay.
As you currently stand.
You gave yourself a six.
I think I would give you a four to 4.5.
You gave yourself a six.
You're wearing quite a bit of makeup.
It is hard to do an assessment there.
I think I'd put you between five and six.
So those are my looks ratings.
Wonderful.
Congratulations, everybody.
Ta da.
What did we win?
What did we win?
We got it.
We got it.
Everyone, everyone, when you're 60 or percentage.
I disagree, but you know, yes.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
That's what I'm going to say.
I mean, Greta.
Another thing about the beholder.
So, you know.
You said you think she's better looking than you?
No, I said she is better looking than me.
Well, here, let's do this.
She's like Stacey Light.
I'm like LTV.
What's LTV?
Here, let me ask the chat.
Let me ask the chat.
What is that?
I see an LTV.
I actually want to know.
I thought we probably had a debate.
It's like a LTV.
Stop.
Oh my god.
An LTV.
Don't tell me.
Here's what we're going to do chat.
And look, just because you think she might be annoying, don't be mean.
Between her, between Greta and Poland, which woman do you think has better facial aesthetics?
Which one?
Greta or?
Poland.
Corina.
I think it's Greta.
Not by much, but I do think Greta Moggs.
No offense.
No, thank you.
Everyone online says I've been LTV, which means low tier Becky.
If you don't know what the tiers are, it's like, I see what she said.
I think it's actually, wait, pull up Twitch.
What's the chat saying?
It's kind of mixed, actually.
Yeah, why can't we look at the chat?
It's down to.
Here, we're going to pull it up again.
Here, pull up Twitch and then have like, wait, do we have the.
Oh, we don't have the pop up.
Can we see Twitch?
Never mind.
We can't see the chat.
Okay, that's all good.
Never mind.
It's been, it's about mixed, I think.
You know what?
Should we do a fucking poll?
Fuck it.
We don't have time.
Fuck the poll.
It was about 50 50.
Let's just say that.
Let's say that.
So maybe I'm wrong.
Anyways, whatever.
I think feature wise.
I think Greta got the best.
But I think Greta, you know, the thing you have to deal with when it comes to Greta is she's a bit neurotic.
Oh, yeah.
So beyond looks, she would be kind of, no offense.
Oh, yeah.
Love you, Greta.
I feel like Greta would be a lot in a relationship.
You know, like a little high maintenance.
Yeah.
Like this girl over here, though.
Yeah.
So you like yes chicks.
I think she would divorce you after 15 years.
No.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Jokes.
But I don't know.
I feel like.
I could see you on the farm.
I could see you right on the farm.
She's on a pullet, like a farm.
She's on a pullet.
So you like yes chicks then?
Not you specifically, but I feel like yes chicks are easier to wife than girls who have their own opinion on it.
They are less daring.
Of course.
Yeah, exactly.
Like you, for example.
I feel like she's got more personality.
More personality.
It's Tuesday, isn't it?
It's actually Monday.
More water.
It's actually Monday.
I have a sugar daddy.
It's past 11.
It's Monday.
I love you.
I don't know.
I think Greta could probably be fixed, but there's a lot of deprogramming.
You'd have to put Greta in a re education camp.
And there is an age that makes you feel like Greta.
We can put her in a re education camp.
So what's your perfect archetype then?
Personality and looks.
What's your perfect archetype?
I know you said you like white.
I know you said that obviously, but white, Asian, and what was the other Latina?
So, what's your perfect archetype within looks and personality?
Well, so you know, like, question for the panel, and I'll answer your question in a moment.
Stigma Around Past Relationships00:08:30
Who here, if the guy is like tall, will you, like, he's, you know, your ideal like tall?
So, maybe that's 6'3, whatever it is.
Will you ignore some red flags if he's tall?
No.
I don't care about the house.
Really?
No.
100%.
You can look at my paper.
I said 5'6.
Will you ignore red flags if he's really hot?
How about that?
No.
No.
Come on.
I think accidentally.
I think it might be odd.
What the hell?
What the hell?
If he's like really hot and he doesn't have a job, you're still fucking.
Okay, y'all know that one.
I wouldn't even fuck with him if he didn't have a job.
No.
I guess it depends on what he's doing.
He's so bad.
I wouldn't even fuck with him if he didn't have a job, period.
So, my thing is, like, the bigger the labia, the more she can, the more I'm like, Why does the labia matter, though?
Big labia matters.
Big labia matters.
You're getting them excited.
I just.
So, you like bigger girls?
Keep me dry.
Like, I'll.
If she has a big labia, like, she gets passed on the cover.
What does that even do for you?
Like, a labia is a labia.
Like, hey.
I don't know if I want to talk about it.
Is it just a generic sentence that you want to say?
Like, what's going on here?
Like, what do you want?
Click that motherfucking thing.
Like, what is it?
Lipstick rip.
Bruh, bruv.
How many times has that happened to you?
Definitely under a handful, for sure.
What do you mean?
You know what I mean.
You know what I mean.
She's like, sorry, Brian, your dick's not big enough for that to happen.
You said it, not me, boy.
Well, that's what you're alluding to, but why do you have the.
Have you had problems?
I haven't even acknowledged it, to be honest.
Is it just like a.
I don't look at it like that on a day to day basis.
I'm not even talking about that.
Is it just a hallway for you?
Obviously, you do, but I don't.
Like, it's just like.
You're trying to say if I'm loose or not.
Do you have a cavernous vagina?
Is that what you're saying?
No, I'm not loose if that's what you're trying to say.
You know, like small dick energy, big dick energy.
I kind of get, like, I'm not trying to be offensive.
I get, like, cavernous vagina energy from you.
Like, I don't know.
Maybe I could be off, but I do get, like, big tunnel energy, is that what I'm saying?
Big tunnel energy.
Yeah, no.
I don't have loose pussy energy.
I don't have pink tunnel energy.
That's why I'm entitled to question what you're saying.
Saying if I wasn't entitled to do that, then I would just stay quiet and say, You know what you want to say.
But obviously, I'm entitled to that, so I can question your prerogative.
You're not so you're saying because you have tight pussy energy, you can question.
I mean, if you want to be provocative and say it like that, then yeah, I guess so.
Calm down, Gertrude.
It seems like the energy is diabolical.
Don't call me Gertrude, yeah.
You've had large labia energy all day, yeah.
Hashtag.
I need to get up momentarily.
I'll let the women you guys talk amongst yourselves.
Some of you have not had much of an opportunity to talk, so now's a good opportunity to discuss amongst yourselves momentarily while I step away.
So, give us a topic.
I know.
Ask us a question.
You made us write all those questions this entire time.
Y'all can't just think.
Do a rage bait question.
How about this?
Talk about what's a good one?
What's the point of the little papers for?
Yeah, words.
Oh, yeah, a little questionnaire.
Oh, we'll get to that.
Just drop a rage bait question and we can go from there.
I don't fucking know.
How many people does OnlyFans here?
Put your hands up.
Two.
Okay.
How do you feel about OnlyFans?
Do you feel like it's worth compromising your morals for OnlyFans?
I think it varies based upon your morals, like how you do it and how you move about it, because some people are unethical on there, but there are ethical ways to be a sex worker.
And how old are you again?
27.
Because, as I said, you're a beautiful woman, honestly.
You are very pretty, but.
When it comes to OnlyFans, you know that the majority of men are very selective with who they speak to and what type of past they are.
Personally, I don't feel like past is a big narrative in someone's future relationship, but do you feel like you're entitled to, you know, incel talk, high value man or whatever, when it comes to your relationships in the future?
Or are you looking to have a relationship at this moment in time?
Oh, I'm in a relationship.
Oh, you're in a relationship.
Do you do it with your boyfriend?
Yeah, I do it with my boyfriend.
Friends, okay, okay.
I'm, yeah, I think I'm entitled to live a normal life, yeah, especially like because I'm a sex worker, I think I deserve it still because, like, the propaganda that people push upon sex workers that were worth any less is harmful towards society and it's harmful towards sex workers overall to keep the mindset or push the mindset that they deserve any less because that's why the stigma surrounding sex workers is why people end up harmed.
But there isn't a big stigma anymore.
People like us fought for this right for you guys to be coming into the norm of going online and doing what you're doing now.
There is a stigma.
There is.
All the time.
Let me take that back.
There's less of a stigma.
Believe me, it used to be a lot worse.
We fought for a lot of rights back in the 70s.
When you were her age, are you talking about when you were her age?
Yeah, there was more of a stigma, but then again, there are people that don't care.
There are millionaires and billionaires that don't care.
There are deadbeat, no money people.
They don't care.
They care about who you are.
But then again, people have changed.
I think people have gotten worse, but as far as the industry, no.
It's more wide open.
Men are now doing it more.
People are doing it more.
Less of a stigma than if they both know it.
Nobody cares about the dating part unless they care about it, and that's probably somebody you don't want to date.
It's not a big deal.
Since you're taken and you're single, do you feel like it's kind of jeopardized your ability to be taken with another man?
Again, no.
No?
No.
No.
I choose my life.
I do what I want.
I've supported myself.
I don't need a man to support me.
It pushes toxic men away, if anything.
It can actually be a way to protect yourself from those that don't share the same views as you.
What does your accounting look like?
Do you do full on pornography?
I don't like OnlyFans.
Do you do pictures?
Do you not do nudity?
I don't do it all.
The only thing I really don't do is aggressive content or gangbangings and stuff like that.
Can I ask you something?
I just genuinely want to understand it's not from a point of attacking because you've probably figured that I don't agree with what you're doing, which is fine, but I do respect you as a person.
So do you plan to have children in the future?
Yes, I'm actually planning on starting to have a baby, like working to, you know, we're going to start trying, like, my next ovulation cycle.
Do you think it will affect them mentally when obviously things that are out in the internet, they'll remain there?
I think that people underestimate the power of DMCA takedowns and they don't understand that you actually can work to get that wiped off.
It costs a lot of money.
But also, like, I think there's more power in not being ashamed of it.
So, you can liberate your mindset and your children even more when it gets to that point where you have to talk to them if you ever do.
Like, I know plenty of sex workers where they just keep it private and they don't allow it to create insecurities within their lives.
Can I ask you a question too?
I'm aware of that a lot of sex workers use fake names and keep their stuff offline and just speak to other sex workers about their work.
And, you know, but also their marketing scheme is to.
promote provocative photos and videos online on social media platforms like X and Instagram to be able to get, you know, client, well not clients, but.
More viewers, more clients.
Yeah, to be able to get more subscribers is actually promo, to be actually to be more profitable in their own business so they can actually sustain themselves and keep their OnlyFans and their sex work going.
So, obviously, do you think maybe in the next 10, 15 years, when you actually do have children that are attending high school and, what's it called?
Exploitation in Sex Work Markets00:06:22
What's below high school?
15 years for high school?
No, no, no.
But high school is at 15 years, like elementary school, that they'll actually be more accepting of sex work and OnlyFans than they are today.
I think that it's based upon how the children are raised.
And there's always going to be some form of bullying, whether it's about what your parents do for work or not.
I think people should just raise their children not to.
I want to take out the kids' question out of the way in a sense because I feel like you might be spiritual.
Are you spiritual?
Yeah, I was raised Christian.
Okay.
From the spiritual perspective, sex creates cords.
And even if someone's jerking off to you or looking at your pornography.
I feel it.
Yeah, but do you feel that in your body and do you think that's actually good for your body?
They were doing it to my selfies before.
Before I know, then why would you put more out there for you to feel it more?
It doesn't bother me because it makes sense.
I mean, I think it's still there, like it would still tarnish your own intimate experience.
There's still an energetic attachment.
If it doesn't bother, yes, there's still an intuition.
I mean, there's still energy that's being taken from you spiritually.
It's not being taken from me.
She's not giving her body, yeah, I'm not exactly.
It's just it's an energetic exchange, it's not an Energetic exchange in the same way as it is if you go and have a one night sleep.
Not the same way, but it's still an energetic exchange.
Well, let me ask you, how is that energetic?
Like, are you a virgin?
What?
Are you a virgin?
I'm not.
No.
Okay.
Well, that is also an energetic exchange.
Are you still with the person that you slept with?
No, but I've cleansed my body.
How have you cleansed your body?
Have you got baptized recently?
No, but I have been celibate for over a year.
You've had a shower, right?
Yes, that's what it is.
I think most of us have had a shower.
You just want to fight for no reason.
No, I mean, you've come on to me.
I'm talking to her.
Yeah, I know, but I've got points as well.
We're a nine panel, so we can all give our responses.
What about the 1960s and 70s, the sexual revolution?
I don't think that's good for us.
I don't think it really was either.
I mean, there are things I disagree with in certain aspects of the industry.
We're just putting the right people in the room.
But the point is, we had the sexual revolution, and look where that got us.
That's what was more detrimental than pornography was.
I think we're valuing the wrong things in life.
Like, I think that promotes valuing sex addiction, valuing.
But that's a whole different thing.
But you're not valuing sex because you deem it as a threat towards your relationships or any future relationships.
No, it's just a matter of fact.
It's not good for your boss.
Don't understand about sexy, are doing it out of like insecurity and they feel threatened because they're like, Oh, like, what if my man's watching porn?
Like, and then you deem that like the same as them going and cheating on you.
But that's not good to be watching porn.
We could be doing so many other things, but like, also, there's a lot of things that aren't good.
So you agree that porn is not good, but you're contributing to something that's not good.
And you're abusing it.
And there are people that do abuse porn, but at the end of the day, it's not really my problem.
Problem.
Like, it's like I will love them regardless.
Like, I'm going to do my best to be kind to my subs, but I'm also not going to control them.
Like, I can't sit here and worry about if someone's jacking off to me all the time.
Like I said, like, people were jacking off to my selfies before I even did sex work.
I was getting positive feedback.
There's a spiritual impact whether you like it or not.
It was more draining before I did sex work because I got harassed way more before sex work.
It's more liberating that I took that power back into my hands.
I was getting messages when I was like a little girl of men trying to, like, I think it's more liberating to say no.
And, like, at the end of the day, like, you know, they're going to do what they want.
Like, it's about you having your own power.
And, like, you, like, set boundaries.
How, like, how are you going to do it?
You're going to control them from afar?
Like, you can't.
Are you part of an OF?
You're just, you don't, you know, you just don't put yourself in a position where people do that.
So she's not in an agency.
I think something that's, like, even worse.
Like, I think that, like, the thing you should be concerned about are these, like, OF management agencies.
No, I think we should be concerned about putting our bodies down.
We should be concerned about putting our bodies down.
We should be concerned about putting our bodies down.
Like, the most sacred thing in spirituality is our bodies.
No one is putting it against their heads.
And I would argue the average girl.
But I understand your point of what you're saying, but she's not a prostitute.
Because it's pictured.
No, no, I'm not calling her a prostitute.
And that's just her personal preference.
And she's having sex with her man.
What?
One person has time.
Oh.
Do you prefer that freedom and liberation is taken away?
Or do you classify sex work like that, like going hand in hand with exploitation?
How is it taken away?
Like, there's a, like, do you think that, like, it's the same thing as when people are exploited?
Like, I think, like, your primary focus on sex workers takes away from actual issues at hand, like people that are actually, like, getting, like, exploited.
Well, I mean, that's a different topic.
Like, people are getting exploited, and that's horrible, too.
But I don't.
Like, unwillingly getting exploited.
It creates a distraction from actual problems and harm and suffering.
But I don't think willingly exploiting yourself makes it better.
It does.
Because then there's less money.
You're not exploiting yourself.
Yes, you are.
You're doing a job and you're doing a job that's out there.
Everybody watches.
She's having sex with her partner.
If you're having sex with multiple sex workers.
That's not what we're arguing.
Once you're having sex with multiple sex workers and unprotected, as well as putting yourself in harm's way with other content creators, okay, I understand that's a little bit exploitative, but she's having it with her partner.
And you're hating on her for making money.
I'm not hating on her.
I'm asking her perspective.
Yes, you are.
Supply and demand.
Ethically, right?
If there's more supply, there's always going to be demand.
If there's more supply of people who are doing it themselves because they want to do it and they're in control of everything, they're making the money, the less there will have to be women being exploited and forced into it, right?
I think we should get rid of the demand and work on lowering that, but at the end of the day, this is way better that she's doing that.