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Jan. 5, 2026 - Whatever Podcast
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2 WALK OFFS?! MEGA Woke Feminists DEBATE Brian?! 3 Men In ONE NIGHT?! HORSE GIRLS! | Dating Talk 276

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Okay.
Because really all labia can't matter until Big Labia Matter.
I do want to also say fuck Kanye.
Fuck Matt Rife.
Fuck plastic surgeons, the surgery staff, and those motherfucking crew.
And if you want to be down with labia shaming, then fuck you too.
Howard Stern, fuck you too.
Dane Cook, fuck you too.
All you motherfuckers, fuck you too.
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Mafaufo, make sure all y'all kids don't grow.
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Oh, I fucked it up.
Left side to me.
Out here in California, bro.
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We the motherfucking mob.
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And I'm, as someone who only dates women with large labia, it is an important cause to me.
Sometimes I even cry at night thinking about it.
Cry myself to sleep, actually, many a night.
It is quite a trap.
All these women, you know, chopping their pussy lips off.
I don't like it one bit.
10,000, 10,000, just in the USA alone, labia plasties.
It's the surgery.
They get their parts all chopped off.
It's fucked up.
You know, we've got a lot of things going on.
The Venezuelan, what happened in Venezuela, they got Maduro and his wife, W. You know, who knows what's going to go on with Venezuela, all the stuff with ICE and immigration, and what else?
The war in Ukraine and then the Middle East.
But really, labia plasty is the pressing issue of our time.
All that other stuff is just like psyop noise bullshit.
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Guys, it's really quick, or I'll pull it back up in a sec.
It's 2026.
We've been keeping statistics.
We frequently, you know, we deal with a lot of flakes, a lot of no-shows.
And so we are going to publish at the beginning of the year, we have the finalized statistics from 2025.
So we're going to do a quick segment on that.
If you can pull that up.
All right.
So the flakes over the years.
This is for the whatever podcast.
So we start in 2022, July 2022.
And we didn't break down the data perfectly, but we had 129 flakes in 2022, 376 in 23, 628, 2024, 455 in 2025.
And then, Nick, go to the next one.
And then the total flake rate, all-time flake rate, 1,588.
I just, okay, never mind.
I just realized if a digit was off, that would have been really bad.
But 1,588 flakes total.
So there's the updated statistics.
We always do some statistics stuff at the beginning of the year.
So there it is.
And you can find that in the Discord and a bunch of other great stuff too.
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This is the most long.
I don't know how these intros have become 10 minutes long at this point.
I apologize.
I'm hiring for two positions.
You need to either live or be able to make it to Santa Barbara every Sunday.
A new helmet side girl girl, side girl sidekick, a new helmet girl sidekick.
And then position two, a new soldier sidekick.
Any OGs, if you remember, Gustavo.
So I'm just, you just wear a soldier uniform and you stand in the background of the shot.
It's like the easiest job in the world.
I guess a woman could do that job.
Yeah, okay.
Well, okay, sure.
We'll consider it.
Let's see.
And that's pretty much it.
Okay, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce.
Oh, my goodness.
The back.
Can you guys see the fucking rainbow boys?
Is it the double rainbow?
I don't know if.
Yo, chat, can you see the fucking rainbow?
It's potent.
Can they see the rainbow?
Oh, wait, hold on.
Right there.
It's so pretty.
I told you.
I should have had it like this.
I don't know if that changes.
The exposure.
I changed the exposure a little bit.
I should have done that.
I fucked up.
I fucked up.
Oh, man.
I fucked up.
I should have had the exposure down the whole time.
Obviously, fucking amateur hour here at the whatever podcast.
But, all right.
We're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
Name, age, occupation, where are you from?
Education.
Hi, how's it going?
I'm Caitlin.
I'm 21 years old.
I'm from Eastern North Carolina.
I am a dancer, an exotic dancer.
I have been for the last three years, three and a half years now.
I also do OnlyFans.
And I'm in school for political science right now.
Okay, and you do, you're a dancer too?
You still stripping or?
Yep.
Okay.
What are you studying in school?
Political science.
That's my moment.
Oh, anything else?
Or is it just the political science?
Political science.
I'm minoring in business and mental health and wellness.
Gotcha.
And this is your third appearance on the show, I think.
Okay, welcome back.
It's been a while.
I also, I think you went, I don't know if viral is the right word.
There was a video of you, and I was actually trying to find it, but I couldn't find it.
I saw it like a couple months ago.
It was a lecture hall or something.
Oh, it was a little viral, wasn't it?
Who was?
Okay, can you tell us who was that?
I don't remember who the speaker was, but it was right after Charlie Kirk got shot.
Can I say that?
That happens, yeah.
So at my school, we had this spirit rock situation, and there was a memorial for Charlie Kirk on the rock.
Turning point made this whole thing about it at the school.
There was a lot of students in opposition to that, to the memorialization of Charlie Kirk and stuff like that.
Turning point also ended up bringing that guy, the speaker, to the school.
He was platforming on abortion is murder, LGBTQIA is like degrading our society.
A whole bunch of like mega-conservative fundamentalist ideology that he was speaking on that he had planned.
What was the name of the speaker?
I don't know.
But it was right after the assassination.
It was within like a couple weeks to a month after this.
Was it Myra?
Was it Myron?
Matt Walsh?
Was it a Daily Wire person?
Was it Knowles or Matt Walsh?
No clue.
I didn't recognize his name from anywhere.
What did he look like?
He was kind of buff.
I should have had the exposure on.
Yeah, I don't remember what his name was, but I saw the posts, what he was going to be talking about, the brochure type of situation on Instagram.
I went and I. Does anybody in the chat?
Can somebody in the chat tell me?
Was it Alex Stein?
Can somebody in the chat tell me who Stephen Crowder?
No, he doesn't.
Does anybody know the clip I'm talking about?
So didn't you like, did you rage quit?
No, he told me to get out.
He told me he didn't want to kick it.
You got kicked out.
Yeah.
It wasn't a rage quit.
You got kicked out.
Yeah.
You don't remember the speaker?
Can somebody in the chat or somebody in the Discord find me the clip?
Anyways, maybe we'll pull it up.
Yeah.
But I saw it.
I saw it.
I was like, wait a minute.
I know that girl.
I know her.
So, okay, well, welcome back.
Thank you.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Talia.
I'm 25.
I live in Ventura County.
I'm a personal assistant for a realtor, and I'm in school for political science.
All right, political science.
Okay.
Currently in school, are you getting your master's or?
No, I started late because I had medical issues.
So I'm just doing my bachelor's right now.
I see.
Okay.
And what do you want to do after you graduate?
I'm not sure yet.
I want to do something in humanitarian work, anything where I can help people is kind of my goal.
Okay.
And are you, just going back to you really quick, are you in your third year, fourth year, about to graduate?
I'm a junior.
I have about two and a half years left.
Two and a half years left.
Yeah, I took like two years as a gap year after my associates.
Okay, gotcha.
Going back to you, so I noticed you describe yourself as a human rights advocate.
You're a political science major.
When you say you're a human rights advocate, which human rights do you advocate for?
Any and all.
Like, I'm all for everyone has the right to be who they are and do what they want to do.
Are women's rights human rights?
Yeah.
Are men's rights human rights?
Yes.
Do you advocate for men's rights?
Yeah.
So you're a men's rights advocate.
You're an MRA?
Well, I would say I'm an everyone advocate.
Okay.
What's a men's rights thing you've advocated for recently?
I could not tell you.
What's a woman's rights thing you've advocated for recently?
Well, I'm very strong on the not banning abortion and stuff.
Sure.
I do a lot of that.
I've been doing a lot of other protests and stuff with all the ICE raids and stuff.
So kind of anything I see that I feel strongly about, I will join in.
Gotcha.
And I think you have a blue sky, which I took a look at.
I think you write save democracy.
You know what?
We'll get into all that stuff a little bit later in the show after all the introductions.
But what about you?
Hi.
I'm sorry.
Wait, look at this sky.
Holy fuck, boys.
It was overcast and raining.
And wow, beautiful.
And there's a fucking rainbow, boys.
Yeah, normally I'm the only rainbow person.
I thought I flew into Seattle with how rainy it was.
It's actually kind of crazy.
Sorry, I didn't mean to.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
Go ahead.
You're good.
I'm Anya.
I'm 19.
I'm from Florida.
I do OF, social media, all that good stuff.
Okay, and you're a Christian, right?
Yes.
Okay, well, actually, actually, actually, as I said last time, half the half where I am not educated and I don't participate enough to actually consider myself a Christian, but I like to believe that I have to do it.
On your TikTok, you have an emoji of a cross.
Yeah.
Because I try to live my life by, I try to have Christian values in my life.
She's trying her best.
But I think it's a really big label to call yourself a Christian.
Is it?
Yeah, there's certain things that you follow and certain things that you do, and I don't think I fit into that.
So I think it would be really bold of me to say I am a Christian, a devout Christian.
But are you a somewhat lukewarm Christian?
Yeah, like I believe in God.
I pray, I believe in God.
Yeah.
But you are sinning, let's just say.
I guess you could say that.
Okay.
We'll get into that later.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Cece.
I'm 26 and a half years old.
I'm a nursing student.
It's not like one, like a 0.7.
Wait, what?
Like your age.
You said it's and a half, 26.
Are you like 0.7 or?
I'm going to turn 27.
26.7.
I mean.
Sorry, I'm being obnoxious.
Go.
I'm going to turn 27 in April.
Okay.
Yeah.
Are you a Taurus?
I'm an Aries.
Wait.
Okay.
Continue on.
Yeah, and I'm actually going to start school like literally tomorrow.
Oh, cool.
First time.
Nice.
First time starting school?
Or it's like your next quarter or whatever?
No.
So I went to USC.
I got a majored in human biology, mitored in something with site like healthcare studies.
And then I took.
You got your bachelor's degree.
Yeah, in University of Colorado.
Yeah, USC.
That's University of South Carolina.
Southern California.
California.
Yeah.
Where all the rich kids go.
Not University of South Carolina.
No.
You're in North Carolina, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then I took three years off.
I did business.
And then I'm going back to school as a nursing student.
Going into nursing.
Got it.
Okay.
What about you?
My name's Lamine.
I'm 18.
I'm in school majoring in addictive disorder studies.
What else was I supposed to say?
I'm very nervous right now.
No, you're fine.
I'll give you a little prompt occupation, where you're from, and I think you already covered education.
You're in your first year of college?
Yeah, and I'm just a student worker at Oxnard College right now.
Okay.
And you're from Ventura?
Yeah.
Like, grew up there.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Leah.
I'm 27.
I'm from New Jersey.
I do OF and social media.
And I dropped out of college.
Dropped out of college.
What were you studying?
Marketing.
Marketing.
Okay.
What year did you drop out of college?
Your first year, second year, third year?
I think it was like I was a year and a half in.
A year and a half?
It had to be.
Okay.
Felt like a while.
And you do OF currently.
Yeah.
But you also have, come on, you got to, hey, you guys got to, you ride horses too, right?
I do.
I saw you.
You were a horse girl.
Actually, I forgot about that thing.
You forgot about the horse thing?
Yeah, I saw you.
You've been doing too much of OF.
Yeah, exactly.
It got in the way.
Do you own that?
My true passion.
I have 18 right now.
Well, hold on.
18 horses.
Yes, yes.
Don't you do horse stuff?
You have a horse?
I have one.
You own a horse, though.
Yes.
Anybody?
And then you, horses too.
Anybody else own or ride horses?
Okay.
The horse girls.
Wow, three horse girls at the table.
I'm in for it tonight.
This is gonna, I was worried about the feminists and the liberal women, but it's the horse girls I gotta be careful with.
Okay, so one horse for you and 18 horses.
Yeah.
I buy that's like how many hundreds of thousands of dollars?
Way too much.
Is that in the millions of dollars?
Well, yeah, but if you do girl math, then it really isn't anything.
So girl math in your life.
Well, is your dad?
Typically, it's the father that pays for the horses.
So that's funny because my father died when I was five.
So well, the inheritance.
Well, yeah, I made my own inheritance, though.
You died and then came back?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So, yeah, okay.
Yeah.
18 horses.
Do you have a ranch?
How do you?
I do.
I live on 30 acres.
Where again were you?
You're in Jersey.
You live in Jersey.
Okay.
Like South.
South.
South Jersey.
It's very formy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you have a Mustang?
I don't have a Mustang.
Do you have a Clydesdale?
I don't have a Clydesdale.
Damn.
That's all I know about horses.
Darn.
Are they all quarter horses?
I have four quarter horses.
Do you race horses?
No.
So fun fact, I take them off the racetrack and retrain them and sell them for regular riding horses.
Okay, nice.
So good stuff.
It's like flipping houses, but flipping horses.
Flipping horses.
That's dope.
How much do you think total throughout the course of your life you've spent on horse-related expenses?
See, again, I try not to think about it.
It probably would send me into a spiral.
Let's do that.
All right.
Let's have a look at that.
Perfect.
Cool.
Okay, cool.
Well, they're each about like $400 to $800 a month if you have them at your house to feed.
So I mean, it's an exponential number.
It's got to be crazy.
If I had to guess, it'd probably be like it's like $10,000 a month right now.
That's with them being in my backyard.
Damn.
So once you start boarding, I have four that are boarded right now, and I pay like $1,200 each.
Wow.
How young were you when you first got a horse?
I was born on a farm.
Born on a farm?
Like outside.
Not even in the hospital a lot.
Not in the hospital.
Your mom was...
Yes, in the barn.
In the barn.
Nativity.
In the straw.
Wow.
That's beautiful.
Yeah, it was awesome.
Nice moment.
But now you're not really focused on the horses too much.
No, I'm focused on them too much.
Oh, too much.
I forget what my real, what actually makes me money is sometimes.
I see.
I looked at your TikTok.
Can we get her TikTok pulled up?
Very good.
Here, I'm going to find the link, but while we're waiting on that, why don't we have you introduce yourself?
I'm Chantel.
I'm 18, and I'm an OC Mission Viejo local.
And I'm running my own clothing brand.
It's going to drop soon.
And I'm a marketing major.
All right.
And are you at a university or a college?
I got a Cal State Fullerton.
Cal State Fullerton.
All right.
Private chat, I sent it.
And you said marketing?
Yeah.
Major.
Okay, God.
What about you?
My name is Michelle Bertsev.
I'm 27.
I work as a front desk receptionist at a stone fabrication company, and I'm Leah's assistant, too.
Assistant, assistant.
Gotcha.
And you're from New Jersey too?
I'm from New York.
New York, which part?
Staten Island.
Are we going to hear a bit more of the accent?
You might hear a bit of a Russian accent.
Russian.
Oh, you speak Russian?
Yeah, it was my first language, and then I learned English in school.
Okay, rock and roll.
What about you?
I'm Celine or ill-fated blade.
I'm 21.
I'm located in LA.
And as of right now, I'm doing college matology.
So hair, makeup, nails.
But on the side, I cosplay, model.
And I recently started making music.
Like singing or trap beats?
I don't know if you guys have ever heard of like Osama-sen.
Osama bin Laden?
No.
You make music for terrorists?
Basic, I mean.
That music goes hard.
That's pretty close, honestly.
Like terrorist music goes fucking hard.
Think of like underground rap, like beats and stuff.
I actually listen to that.
Yeah.
During sex.
Oh, no.
I don't think you do that.
Nothing more romantic than putting on some.
Oh, man.
I so want to play it, but we'd probably get a copyright strike.
Sorry.
Anyway, just sing it.
Yeah.
It's like.
Nah, I can't.
I can't.
The floor is yours.
Go ahead.
Copyright strike.
Sorry.
Do you want to sing for us?
No.
Okay.
all right uh nick do you have the oh sort by popular on the tick tock I think.
No audio.
We're not even.
So this is your TikTok, Leah.
So I was noticing, I looked at your TikTok that it's very focused.
They're very similar, all of them.
They are.
They're very similar.
Yeah.
You know, and here's what we'll do.
No audio, Nick.
Click on the first one and we'll just like swipe through.
So click, and then you'll hit the arrow and then we'll do two, three seconds each.
Yeah.
Next.
Next.
Are you sensing a theme?
Oh, there it is.
Okay, guys.
Okay, and then, oh, that's not.
Where's that?
Where's that?
Oh, that's Miami.
Oh, that's Miami.
Okay, next.
Next.
Next.
Oh, no.
Skip.
Next.
Next.
Damn.
Yeah, the horse.
The horse just.
Next.
Damn, your knee got all fucked up.
Next.
Next.
I forgot about half of these.
Next.
Next.
Damn, I don't see a theme.
Next.
Next.
She knows.
Next.
Oh, my handshake.
Next.
Next.
Oh, I forgot what it is.
Next.
What the?
Next.
Next.
Okay, we get the idea.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We get the idea.
All right.
So, and that's the, that's your concept.
That's me.
That's my thing.
Yeah.
Which one is your.
You know how Mozart, his Requiem is off, or you know, you could look at Beethoven, some of his symphonies.
One, you know, there's the magnum opus.
That is like the number, like, you know, people might debate which one is Beethoven's magnum opus.
Is it his seventh symphony?
Is it his fifth piano concerto?
Of all your videos on TikTok, which would you say is your magnum opus?
It's got to be the golf one.
The golf one.
It was early.
Yes.
We don't need to pull it up, but they love that.
The people love that.
The golf one.
They love that.
The golfers, big with that.
Do you think that within your lifetime of art creation, there will be another, like a big there better be.
What are you working on?
I'm trying to create several.
Can you walk us through the creative process?
There is, I'll give you how it goes.
Usually, she's behind me, and I say.
It's you that films it.
No boyfriend or anything like that?
You know, it's honestly whoever's there.
If I hand you my phone, you know what the deal is.
You ever had a stranger do?
I feel like there had to have been a couple times.
But they don't get the angles.
There's an art to it.
There is a technique.
There is a technique.
You really have to know the angle.
You have to know.
You have to know.
Yeah, you're a real cinematographer.
She is.
Let me tell you.
She took some classes.
It took some time.
She still gets it wrong.
But we're working on it.
Real scorsese over here.
Yes, she is.
She is.
Okay, that's cool.
That's my art.
That's great.
Yeah.
Cool.
That was it.
Very talented.
Yeah.
Yeah, that would bring in the money.
I do.
Before we get into everybody's relationship status, I wanted to touch base on people's just education really quick.
So you are currently, you're going in, you're in your junior year, right?
Yeah.
Okay, and you're studying political science, you said?
Okay, and you just had, you know, I guess it was winter break.
When's school start up again for you?
Not this upcoming week, but the following Monday.
Okay, so maybe like two, three weeks ago, you took your finals or whatever?
Beginning of December.
Beginning of December.
So like a month ago.
Yeah.
What was the what classes were you taking last semester?
I had a pretty good time this past semester.
I took introduction to sociology, urbanization, and like, yeah, just the development of American cities.
Let's see, what else was there?
International relations.
Oh, global capitalism and its discontents.
And then there was a fourth one.
Let me see.
Oh, and then just my introduction to political science.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, so you had four classes.
Can you tell me, you can pick from any one of those four classes.
Can you tell me the biggest takeaway from any of those classes that you learned?
It would be hard for me to do a biggest takeaway because all of these classes had a lot of overlap in material.
And sometimes I was learning the same thing in different classes, like I said, because there was an overlap.
What was interesting, I think that stands out right now, is in my global capitalism and its discontents, people were upset at capitalism from the very beginning.
Capitalism used to be considered a slur or a harsh word to use in opposition to the system.
And from the very beginning, early transition into capitalism.
So I thought that was really interesting, and that kind of stuck with me for a little bit.
That the fact that people hated it from the beginning.
Hated capitalism or hated the word capitalism?
Hated capitalism.
Hated.
Okay.
When did capitalism begin?
Because you said at the beginning.
Yeah.
So when was that?
So we transitioned from the feudal system into capitalism.
When was this?
That is a great question.
Not like looking for a precise year, but like decade or century even.
Can't quote me on this, but I would say maybe.
Oh, I didn't, that didn't stick with me.
I think, if I were to guess, maybe about 1300s, but then there were early markets before then, probably.
So I guess also it would depend geographically speaking.
Certain countries or regions got degrees of capitalism or full-blown capitalism or however you want to categorize it sooner than other regions.
But if we're looking, are you talking about like Western countries?
A lot of the class focused on Western countries.
So like Britain and other European countries were based on.
Feudalism ended in the 1300s in England?
Don't quote me on it.
Pretty sure.
I mean, look, I don't know the answer, but my hunch is it's ended much later than that.
But anyways, I'm not interested in like, I don't even know the answer, so I'm not going to be like, debate you on that.
Okay.
So, people, the takeaway was people didn't like capitalism.
It was interesting to observe.
Do you think we would be better in a feudal system if we went back to feudal system?
No.
Okay, so but there was resistance from the serfs.
I'm sure there, yes, yeah.
So, feudal system better than capitalism is no can't get me on that.
I mean, okay.
Um, so the big takeaway was people don't like capitalism from your what was the name of the class?
It was called Global Capitalism and Its Discontents and Its Discontents.
Yes, so we looked at how is your school a private school or a public school?
Um, I would say it's it's public.
Yeah, it's public.
Public school.
Yeah.
But that was an option.
Is there a class?
Yeah, is there a textbook for that class?
No, he did give us a supportive link, but no textbook.
Huh, okay.
All right.
You're currently in college, right?
Or did you just graduate?
No, I'm still in college.
You just started or I'm like a year in.
You're political science also?
Yes.
Okay.
So you just took some classes too.
Yeah, I'm a half-time student.
And last semester, I only took like the random classes that I needed.
So I took art and philosophy.
Philosophy, okay.
Which aren't really things I'm interested in.
I just needed them.
Okay.
Did you have to, I mean, one big takeaway from philosophy?
Oh, I have no idea.
Well, it was just like a couple weeks ago you took the class?
I've been out of it since earlierish December.
Yeah, well, but I honestly don't know that much about philosophy.
That's not my.
I mean, but didn't you have to study?
There was a final test or maybe an essay?
Kind of.
We didn't have finals or anything.
I don't know why.
But there must have been some sort of towards the end of the year project, you know, an essay or something, right?
It was just like little, little projects throughout.
Was it in person or online?
No, it's online.
Oh, okay.
Online.
Yeah.
That's my.
Is there anything you can tell me from?
I did not process philosophy.
Can you tell me the name of a philosopher?
Marx.
Karl Marx.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
Did you read his book?
I read some of it.
The Communist Manifesto.
I have a really hard time with the style of writing and philosophy.
Okay.
Any other philosophers besides Marx that you can remember?
No.
I can't.
Shop an hour.
No, not my thing.
Okay.
I can tell you about cool boats I had to look at in my art class.
Cool boats?
Yeah, that's fun.
You're in college, right?
No, no.
You're in nursing school?
Nursing school.
You're in college, right?
What did you just take?
Addictive disorder studies is my major.
Sorry, what is it?
Could you repeat that?
Addictive disorder studies is my major.
And what classes have you taken?
I took pharmacology and ADS R101.
Any like electoral, what's it called?
The general classes or whatever?
Yeah, in English.
But I'm also a half-time student.
Okay.
Huh.
Okay.
If I were to ask you, what was the of you can pick any of the disciplines that you were studying this past semester or quarter?
What's like one big takeaway that you could relay to us that you learned about?
I think all of it is interesting.
I think that everybody should know about Narcan and how to use it.
It's a little nasal sprayer and injection that can reverse an opioid overdose.
And it's really easy to get and you can get it for free a lot of places.
This is something that you learned in one of your classes.
Yes.
Harm reduction resources is a big part of my major.
And Narcan is something that can save people's lives and has saved people's lives and even has saved the lives of friends that I have in my life.
So I think it's very important.
I always carry it.
I keep it in my car.
I think it's something everybody should know about.
Okay.
And then you're in college.
What are you studying again, sir?
Marketing.
Marketing.
What classes did you take?
Like geology, philosophy, like English, math.
All right.
Of all the classes you took, relay to us one thing that you learned.
One big takeaway.
One big takeaway: college is useless.
That's my big takeaway.
W?
You don't need college.
Like, I might drop it.
Have you seen the teacher parking lot?
Like, have you seen, like, one, like, sport car or anything like that?
Like, no.
They're all like Toyotas and Hondas.
Well, I mean, that wouldn't be my primary criticism of college, the cars in which the professors drive.
But, I mean, you do raise an interesting thought, though, is a lot of the teachers, well, like the business teachers, what's that saying?
Those who can't do teach.
So it's like, at least as it relates to like marketing and business and these sorts of disciplines, a lot of them were not particularly successful in the private sector.
So they're teaching.
You know, they're teaching.
Exactly.
Not always the case, but okay, relationship status.
What's your current relationship status?
I'm talking to somebody.
Okay, so not single?
Would you consider yourself single?
Yes, but I am being, I'm exclusive with this person.
We're just starting out.
So technically, yeah, but I'll act like that.
You're not boyfriend, girlfriend.
Not officially, no.
But, okay, how about this?
If some really hot guy approached you and hit on you, what would you like?
Would you pump the brakes on him?
I think I would.
I really do like the guy that's too.
You like the guy?
Okay.
Okay, so talking stage, I guess.
How long have you been seeing him?
It's been about a month and a half.
1.5 months.
Longest relationship?
Almost three years.
Three years.
All right.
Okay.
Three-year relationship.
Who broke up with who?
I broke up with him.
All right.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm in a relationship.
For how long?
Almost a year.
What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
Like two and a half years.
Two and a half years.
Who broke up with who?
I broke up with them.
Broke up with him.
Why is that?
Because I did not have great taste in men as a teenager, and it was not a very healthy situation.
Okay.
Yeah.
In what ways was it not healthy?
They were abusive and they used drugs.
When you say they, were they non-binary?
Oh, no.
Like he.
He, okay.
Okay.
Orientation.
Huh?
Oh, what's your orientation?
Are you straight?
Bisexual?
Okay.
Orientation?
I consider myself pansexual.
What's that?
I like pots and pants.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's basically like bisexual, but it's considered to be a little bit more expansive.
It's kind of, they're both interchangeable.
Okay, so you'll date trans people, essentially, and men and women.
I haven't.
I've only dated men as far as experience, but I think I've found myself attracted to transgender people and women.
Okay, attracted to them, but you've not been intimate or dated somebody of the a woman or somebody who's trans.
Okay.
Relationship status?
Single.
Have been for a minute.
How long?
Like two, three years, somewhere around there.
Two to three years.
All right.
Longest relationship?
I think again, like two to three years.
Honestly, they all kind of call it.
It's a blur.
Everything's a blur.
Who broke up with who?
I broke up with him.
All right.
No guys in the picture.
No, I mean, they're obviously nice guys all the time, but nobody.
No, nice guys.
All the time.
Okay.
But nobody that.
No, I don't call anybody my boyfriend or anything.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm single.
How long have you been single?
For three years.
Three years.
Longest relationship?
Two and a half.
Is that the one that ended three years ago?
Yeah.
And that was like super serious.
I was about to get like marriage.
You guys were engaged or?
Almost.
It was serious.
It was super serious.
Who broke up with who?
I did.
Why?
Oh my God.
It's a long story, but pretty much he was Japanese, so he was Japanese-Brazilian.
You broke up with him because he was Japanese.
No, no, what the fuck?
No, I'm not trying to say, no, I'm just saying like, you know, like the context.
You need to know the context.
He was studying.
Wait, he wasn't.
He was Jap.
Like, he wasn't Japanese-American.
He was Japanese.
He was Japanese-Brazilian.
From Japan.
Slash.
Brazilian.
Wait.
From Brazil or from Japan?
Okay, so probably from Brazil.
No.
Because a lot of Japanese people moved to Brazil, I believe.
Like a long time ago.
So dad is full Japanese, mom, Brazilian, Japanese, but she was born in Japan.
Her grandparents, like or grandma, immigrated from Brazil to Japan.
Makes sense.
Yeah.
So he's Japanese.
But okay, what's that have to do, I guess, with the he basically, I left him with so much story, backstory to tell, but to sum of it, sum it up all up.
Like he physically abused me.
When I went to Japan, so he got deported.
He was studying abroad here.
He got deported.
Deported?
He got deported.
Like.
I don't.
So was he an illegal immigrant?
So he was a student here.
He was.
But he didn't have citizenship here, I'm assuming.
He didn't have citizenship.
He had like the student visa and he needed to go back to his country for his sister's wedding.
When he came back, he wasn't answering none of my calls and wasn't texting, nothing.
I called the flight, and they basically said there's a plane that's from LA going back to Japan to Tokyo.
And I'm like, why?
She's like, or they were like saying, basically, oh, they have insufficient papers, like stuff like that.
And then later that night, he basically calls me and he's like, I'm going back to Japan.
Like, I'm sorry.
And he wanted me to move to Japan.
I'm like, you got to propose for me to live Japan because I've been to Japan two times.
It's fun visiting there, but living there, it's not my cup of tea.
I felt lonely.
I felt like miserable.
I didn't have friends because a lot of like I did have Japanese friends in Tokyo, but a lot of them were busy.
I had to like make plans a month in advance.
Maybe they'll see you.
But that's besides the point.
The second time that I went to Japan, I stayed there for one month because I wanted to see how it's living there.
And we went to meet his friend.
His friend is Australian.
He's super tall.
Like, basically, in Japan, a lot of people, like, Japanese people.
What did he do?
So, whatever.
He was physically abusive, you said?
Okay, so basically, he physically abused me in the train.
He literally beat you up or what happened?
So, he got there.
He had an umbrella.
He threw it across outside the train station.
People were watching.
He started punching me here.
He started biting my arm and punching, punching, punching.
And people did not do anything.
They're just staring.
And let me tell you, in that area, there's no tourist.
It's pure Japanese.
Pretty much they don't like, they don't want to involve themselves, basically.
And after that, I went back to LA and I found out he was cheating on me.
And keep in mind, I met the parents.
Meeting the parents in Japan basically means like it's super serious.
but like you know he wants yeah can you provide a bit of so look just to be clear yeah Yeah.
It's never acceptable to lay your hands on anybody, but can you provide a bit of context?
Like, was there an argument or something?
Like, I'm just trying to understand.
Like, was this like he had a psychotic break and he just started whooping you or what happened?
So I was going to get to the story that we went to his friend's house.
He was foreigner.
So we call him Gaiji, foreigner.
And he was dating a Japanese girl during that time.
They were together.
And then once the dinner was over, we went outside and it was pouring rain.
I had my extensions.
Like extensions cost really expensive.
They're like $600.
And I didn't want to get ruined.
And in Japan, it's summertime, super humid, rains a lot.
It's nothing compared to in America, LA.
And so the friend had a big umbrella.
So I was under his umbrella.
And my ex didn't have an umbrella.
He went to 7-Eleven.
He bought one and he was in the back.
And I told the homie, I'm like, hey, what's your friend do?
Like, your friend, like, why is he acting like that?
Oh, I don't know.
And then that's when he literally blew up on the train on me.
Like, why the fuck are you?
Like, why were you walking next to him?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Pretty much standing next to his friend under the umbrella.
I did not do anything.
Okay, so he was jealous.
He was basically jealous.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, physical violence.
Physical.
Definitely perfectly justified reason to end a relationship.
What about you?
I have a boyfriend.
Okay.
How long?
Not long.
We just got together.
Like a few days ago.
How long have you known him?
Like a month.
One month.
Okay.
Were you friends before or no?
How did you meet?
Literally Tinder.
Tinder.
Okay.
Whoa. Okay. All right.
I mean, look, people meet online.
Is that funny?
I don't know.
It's funny to me.
I just went on Tinder because I was bored.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you met on Tinder.
Longest relationship you've ever had?
Nine months.
Nine months.
Who broke up with who?
Me.
I broke up with him.
Why's that?
Because he was an asshole.
He was a jerk.
He agreed with me that he was an asshole.
He agreed with you.
Got it.
Okay, what about you?
It's a little complicated.
Complicated.
How so?
I don't know.
I just feel like I'm a free agent.
So.
Okay, so there is a guy in the picture, but you guys aren't anything.
Yeah.
More than one guy in the picture.
Multiple guys in the picture.
A harem in the picture.
A multitude.
How many guys in the picture?
A hundred?
How many guys in the picture?
Probably none, honestly.
Well, you have a roster, right?
Oh, yeah.
Who does that?
Okay, how big's the roster?
Oh, um, you know, like one or two hundred.
That's a joke, by the way.
Yeah, but like, uh, what?
You seen a couple of double digits.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's double digit, you're about to say, yes, that's what is that, 10, 20, 30, 40?
Um, any of those.
Yeah, but what is it actually?
Well, um, you know, like, probably like, starts with a three.
So your roster's in the 30s.
Yep.
Actual, not like troll answer, like legit.
Legit.
That's my final answer.
Okay, so, but you're not sleeping with all those guys, I'm assuming.
At the same time?
Well, not an orgy.
No.
But.
No.
I wish.
Some of them you're dating.
No.
Casually.
No, I'm not.
I'm a free agent.
What does that mean?
But I'm just, I do what I want.
Like a mercenary.
Yeah, that's me.
You do what you want.
Yeah.
Sell sword.
Yeah.
But they all know.
I'm not, you know, I'm not twisting words.
I say it like it is.
So of any of these guys who you are free agenting with, what's the longest period of time of a guy who you're currently seeing that you've been hanging out with?
Five years.
So it's been complicated with somebody for five years.
Yeah.
Okay.
What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
It was also five years, so that seems to be my number.
Who broke up with who?
I did.
Okay.
The five-year, it's complicated guy.
At any point, have you guys been boyfriend, girlfriend?
Yeah, for like a couple years.
Okay.
Has it been on again, off again?
Yeah.
More than that.
How many times has it been on again, off again?
Not that many.
I'd say like three breakups.
Yeah.
Okay.
Who initiates the breakups?
Me?
Do you go back to him?
Yeah.
Like you try to get back with him?
No.
Oh, he tries to get back with you and you get back with him.
Yeah, pretty much.
Okay.
What's the reasons typically for the breakups?
I feel like it's, I am a very hardworking person.
So if somebody else doesn't step up to my level of hard work, I don't even care what you do.
Just do something.
So if you're not stepping up, if you have an ounce of lazy in you, you're out of here.
Quick question just unrelated to this.
Okay.
Are your glasses, are they prescription?
They are.
I'm actually blind as hell.
Very.
What about yours?
Prescription?
Prescription?
Are they really?
I don't need them though.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
If you don't need.
I can take them off, but I won't be able to see you.
It's so good.
That's probably for the best.
Is it glare?
There's a bit of glare.
There's a bit of glare.
Yeah, I'll take them off.
If you need them, just leave them on the table next to you.
That's fine.
It's okay.
I need to see.
Yeah.
Am I supposed to offer to take off my glasses?
I mean, you can leave them on if you want to, but if you don't really need them, you can take them off.
Okay, so, okay, it's complicated.
You've been seeing this guy for five years.
Is he dating other women?
No.
He's exclusive to you.
But you're dealing with others.
I'm honest.
I'm honest.
I tell them how it is.
Wait, so tell me, okay, pretend I'm a new addition to your roster of 50.
Okay, yeah.
Roster of 30 or whatever.
I'm number 37.
Okay.
Lovely.
So when you say that you're honest with him, let's roleplay it.
Hi.
Leia?
Leah?
Yeah.
Hi, Leah.
You're really swell.
I would like to date you.
Thank you, sir.
I don't really date.
I think we should keep it casual.
How many other men are you currently having sexual intercourse with?
Well, it depends at that time.
Like, I don't like right now.
I met with 30 people at a time.
That's been over the course of years.
Well, what's the I don't have time for all that?
Yeah, 30 is too much.
That is very much too much.
I thought we were talking over the years.
No, no, right now.
Oh, right now.
Right now, how many people have you got?
Oh, my gosh.
Everyone just thought I was being 30 men right now.
Oh, wow.
Okay, I thought you meant my roster.
Okay, let's backtrack here for a second.
All right.
I mean, right now in this moment, I'm going to have to say zero.
That's it's a very big gap.
I know, I know.
It sounds unrealistic, but I'm moving, and again, I don't have time.
I'm selling horses.
I'm too busy.
So, okay.
And it's winter.
I'm hibernating right now.
But okay, there have been periods.
Would you say it's fair to say there have been periods where you have had, I'm not saying you'd sleep with all of them, but you've had multiple guys in the picture at the same time.
Yes.
Yes.
Not that.
Maybe you're dating, you know.
I'm not saying you're sleeping with them.
But so, like, when you say you're open with the people that you are dating, and I'm assuming maybe you are sleeping with at least one of them, perhaps at a different point in time.
What are you, when you say you're open with them, what do you tell them?
I just say, listen, we're, again, going to keep this casual.
I'm seeing other people.
You should too.
So you don't get, you know, the wrong idea.
Okay.
That's pretty reasonable.
Right?
Yeah.
But do you tell them, like, hey, by the way, like.
I feel like you have to.
No, well, you tell them that, but do you give them more details?
The number?
Are they having to do that?
No, but are you like, all right, if Brad wants to see you on Friday, are you like, oh, just BTW?
Like, I hooked up with Jerry.
With Jerry, Seinfeld on Wednesday, maybe give it another day.
I don't know if I go that in depth.
You won't tell them that, okay?
Not exactly.
But you do tell them.
Yeah.
You do tell them, I'm seeing other people.
Yes.
Okay.
And they're fine with that.
The guys are cool with that.
If they're not, then they gotta move on.
Well, of course, but some guys are okay with that.
Actually, I would say 99.9% are.
And do you think they're also seeing other women too?
I would hope so.
A good amount of them.
Yeah.
We're talking clean, though, here.
We're staying clean.
I don't mean to sound like a pick-me, but like, I've genuinely never had a roster.
What is like, when you say roster, do you mean just like guys that you can like hit up at any time and talk to them?
Or are you, I get that part, but are you sexually active with the X amount of men at this?
Obviously not like in a group, but at the same time.
No, I've actually never done that.
So, okay.
So it's like, yeah.
And it's not like, it's not gross.
It's like, okay, like one month, I'll.
Okay, okay.
It's not like, oh my God, like, let me call at 9.05.
I'm going to call Greg.
Okay.
Six.
Like, it's getting out of hand.
I'm not gross people, okay?
Okay.
What about you?
Relationship status?
Like a talking stage.
Like, no one has made it official yet, so.
How long have...
Like, before this year ends.
So, like, two months, three months.
All right.
Longest relationship?
Like serious, serious?
Like, does high school count?
Like, I feel like well, I guess longest period of time you've been involved with any guy, whether it was serious or not.
Maybe like a year.
One year.
All right.
Also, you're Christian, correct?
I am.
What denomination?
Like, Christian?
I'm like Orthodox.
You're Orthodox Christian.
Yeah, but like I don't really Eastern Orthodox?
Yeah.
Do you go to church?
I do.
Do you go to the liturgy?
I do.
Okay.
Every weekend, or um, I try.
I mean, I'm not like the best at it, but yeah, I try.
I, you were about to say something, and I slightly cut you off.
Do you recall what you were gonna say?
Oh, um, I'm like, just like Christian, like, I don't be like, oh my god, I'm Orthodox, like, I'm just like, I just believe in God.
Well, Orthodox is really specific, but when you do go to church, you go to a Orthodox church, yeah, or just a regular, like, Christian church, I guess.
I think you wouldn't, wouldn't you know?
Um, or like, oh, at least if you're Orthodox, I think you would know.
Yeah, so do you go to a Catholic church?
You go to a Protestant church, you go to a non-denominational church or like Sundays.
I go to like an Orthodox church, but like I go to like youth groups at like youth groups, yeah, that are okay, they're not like strictly Orthodox, yeah, no, uh, but the church you go to, do you go with your parents?
Yeah, because we're Egyptian, so like it's actually runs in the culture.
Okay, were you born in Egypt?
No, but your parents were born in Egypt, uh, yes, okay, interesting.
Have you been to Egypt?
I have Cairo, yeah.
How'd you guess?
Well, I mean, it's the capital, but yeah, uh, do you like how many times have you been to Egypt?
Like three times, not like a like four, like over the summer, so like you'd spend a summer there, like a couple months.
Oh, wow, okay.
Uh, but we don't like stay in Cairo, we go to like the beaches because yeah, I've heard um have you enjoyed have you like liked being in Egypt?
Yeah, I mean, like I've heard some not so great things.
That's why we go to like the beaches, like the place where like tourists go because you don't want to be a tourist in like a place where like tourists, tourists aren't meant to be, I guess.
Yeah, no, I don't know.
Especially as a Christian, low-key, like they shoot on site, shoot on site if you're a Christian, it's like in some parts, it's like deep, like oh, because it's Egypt is a Muslim country, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I've heard some not so like for regardless of your religion, I've heard some in general, yeah, like traveling there, tourists, it's not the spot, not the spot, but um, what about you?
I'm married, married.
How long have you been married for?
Uh, I got married in 2020, 2023, so like three years, yes, right?
How long were you with him, total?
Uh, together, we've been seven years, seven years, longest relationship, seven years, this is, yeah, have you been married before?
No, I have not.
Any kids?
Nope, okay, planning to have kids at some point, some point, at some point, yeah, just more established in the career, maybe, or okay, what about you?
Um, I think we just had our two-year anniversary, but yeah, I'm in a relationship.
Two years, is that your longest?
Yes, all right, two years.
All right, that's everybody's relationship status.
Uh, hold on, uh, let me we're gonna get into our first thing here.
Uh, first couple notes here.
Um, where do I begin?
I was gonna begin with our good friend in chair one, but I think she she stepped away to the bathroom.
So, we're going to oh, she's coming back.
Oh, is she coming back?
I guess she's coming back.
She is back.
Um, let's see here.
Um, okay, I guess we'll start with you then.
All right, so, uh, okay, in your, I think it's your Instagram, you described yourself as a Gemini sun, a Taurus moon, and a cancer rising.
Yes, what can you lower the volume to like 80?
Uh, what does that mean?
It's just an astrological thing.
So, your sun is where the sun was.
Like, when you asked her if she was a Taurus or not, that's what your sun sign is.
Okay.
Your moon is where the moon was at the time of your birth.
And your rising, I actually did some research because I was curious what that meant.
Is what astrological sign was rising over the eastern horizon at the time of your birth.
And I think astrology is fun.
I think it's been practiced across multiple cultures for thousands of years.
The, I guess, analysis that I have is more Western astrology.
So you could argue that it's less accurate.
I think it's just fun.
You can do like little personality analyses based off of it.
Okay.
And you also write, you're a spiritual gal and aspiring advocate.
Yes.
What do you advocate for?
Human rights.
Human rights.
Okay.
You also describe yourself as an activist on your podcast page.
You're a leftist.
Yeah.
A feminist.
Are you a socialist or Marxist or communist, I guess?
I have described myself on this podcast previously as a communist.
Okay.
I still have similar, like whenever I dream of this utopia, I don't see it with there being money involved.
Just like whenever you imagine like heaven, there's no money, there's no like job.
Okay.
It would look different.
Socialism, as Marx put it, I believe, socialism would be kind of a step to communism.
Communism would probably be the closest way for me to describe what my utopia would look like, my perfect society.
So I guess you could call me a communist.
So you're anti-capitalist.
I am anti-capitalist.
Yeah.
You work at a strip club.
Yep.
Do you engage in capitalism at the strip club?
I engage in capitalism outside of the strip club.
It's a fundamental.
Yeah, you have to.
Exactly.
But there could be circumstances in which beyond just providing for your sort of basic necessity needs, like, couldn't you maybe give a discount?
Like, do you give strip club coupons or discounts?
No.
Like, you, at the strip club, you try to maximize your profits.
Yes.
Now, even in a capitalist system, you could still not strictly aim to maximize profits.
Like, you could strike some sort of balance between being able to provide for yourself, but also, you know, not maximizing profits.
Like, landlords can still, landlords don't need to charge exorbitant rents.
And maybe they might prioritize, like, I want to secure a really good tenant, and I can do this perhaps if, or they keep an existing tenant, they don't raise the prices on them because they're a really good tenant, even though they could maximize profits by raising the rent, maybe the tenant stays, maybe they go.
But so why don't you practice it to some degrees?
I'm not expecting you to like fucking live on the street, but you could give a bit of leeway at the strip club.
Like give a little bit of a discount at the strip club as a show of your worldview and ideology.
Yeah, I think I would consider it for like more regular customers.
At most of the strip clubs that I've worked at, we don't get to choose our own prices.
I actually just recently started working at a club where you do get to choose your own prices.
The club will charge you a certain amount for the room, so like 15 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, or like per song, they charge you, and then you kind of charge from there.
Right now, we do have a there is a set amount on the song dances, so I have to charge 30.
I have to specifically say $30 a song and then plus a tip.
Yeah, I'm stricter the more the cheaper the dance is.
Like for the songs, I have to keep my shoes on, I keep my clothes on, I have to dance with my shoes on, and it's pretty uncomfortable.
So I try to maximize there.
If they're buying a whole bunch of songs in bulk and I can kind of get a little bit more comfortable in the dance, I am fine with a little bit less of a tip because, you know, buy more.
In a communist society, there wouldn't be strip clubs, correct?
I don't know.
I have thought about that.
I don't know.
Ideally, men wouldn't objectify women in such a way that would create the necessity for strip clubs, but also like prostitution and sex work in general are, I think, the oldest standing professions.
Well, I don't think it would, like in the application of communism, I don't think that sex work would exist.
Maybe not.
Because my understanding from a communist perspective is that sex work is viewed as a capitalist decadence.
Yeah.
It's there would be no need for sex work in a communist society.
Because you would have, I guess, in this utopia, this communist utopia, you would have all your basic needs covered, so people wouldn't want to be sex workers as often.
Now, there's some people that do enjoy it, like the dominatrixes and stuff like that, which is, you know, cool in your own grill.
It's not my type of thing.
So there'd be private.
But would a dominatrix charge for that?
Well, how would you, I don't know, in a communist.
There's no private business in communists.
So they just do dominatrixing for free, I guess.
For fun, yeah, I guess.
For funsies.
For funsies.
Well, I mean, I would dispute that you said sex work, prostitution is the earliest profession.
I believe either fishing or agriculture would be probably the earliest profession.
Could be.
And then maybe shortly thereafter, here's a fish, give me some pussy.
That could be like a trade barter thing.
Shortly thereafter.
You could strip while you fish.
Yeah, true.
I wouldn't.
Yeah, I suppose you could.
If somebody pays you like, I don't know, 30, and then another guy pays you $1,000 for like a private room.
Do you give them two separate things?
If they're paying for the same room, so the $30 a song is for like a specific couch room.
Right, right.
That's what I'm saying.
Like one guy pays you $30, another guy pays you $1,000.
Yeah.
Those are the prices.
You give them two different things, right?
Technically.
You're a bad communist.
You're a horrible communist.
It's a strip club situation.
I guess moving on.
I'm an employee.
Moving it on a little bit.
We won't linger too long on this topic, but in a communist civilization society, there are things in the society that need to be done, right?
Like, for example, can you think of a job, even in a capitalist society, that is viewed as undesirable?
Absolutely.
Like perhaps waste management, so garbage men, garbage collectors, or people that go into sewers or dirty jobs, right?
Yeah.
How would you have who would do these jobs in a communist utopia?
I love this question.
It's because it's like the most asked question whenever you're talking about communism.
Yeah, who would do those jobs?
So I guess it depends on if there's like a base living wage where we're still getting quantifiable income for the labor that we provide, or if there's no wages.
We'll go with the no wages option just because that's a little bit more of a complex argument, I would say.
No wages.
We all mutually meet each other's needs.
So we would be living in smaller communities.
There would be no like national corporation overhead leading the waste management.
So it would be on a small scale, individual.
Studies have shown.
Question for you, though.
Of the existing housing stock that we have, how would we, obviously there's more desirable geographic locations.
Southern California, very desirable location to live.
Indiana, not so much.
If I guess everybody's equal in this circumstance, like how would do we just demolish our existing housing stock?
Not necessarily.
So who gets to keep, who gets to stay in the mansions?
Mansions is a different one.
I think mansions, preferably in a utopia, would be more shared in communal spaces.
So like groups and big families that want to live together, I think that would be a good way to distribute the mansions.
Desirable locations, so like really cold versus really hot, you know, stuff like that.
One part of that is people already live in those areas and are choosing to live in those areas.
Now you could argue that they're living in those areas because they can't afford to live in a place like Santa Barbara or something or Southern California, something like that.
It is real expensive out this way.
But like for me from North Carolina, where it's a lot more affordable to live, I wouldn't live anywhere else.
I love it there.
So I think a lot of the times that's going to be the case is where people want to be able to stay where they're at.
Addressing the issue of people relocating, it would just depend on how we're getting everything done.
If we need more of that undesirable labor to get done, that could be an incentive for either staying or leaving an area.
Okay, but I think part of the reason that people might remain in less desirable geographic locations in the United States, I agree with you that some people are kind of, what would be the right word, perhaps content with living in these areas, but some people do so out of economic necessity.
I'm confident if, for example, I don't know what the exact number would be, maybe it's half.
If we were to, all the people that live in like super cold regions in the United States, I guess some people like that.
I'm not going to dispute that.
If we were to offer them a transportation totally free to Southern California, and if we were to offer them free housing and food in California, I'm confident you would see large swaths of the United States population who live in colder regions or less desirable geographic regions.
It doesn't even have to be California.
It could be Florida.
It could be other parts, more desirable geographic locations.
So I guess do we just completely abandon the existing housing stock in sort of middle of America?
Maybe not completely abandon.
I would say repurpose and reuse those already constructed buildings.
And then what do we do with like the massive influx of people who would move to like say California or Florida?
If there was a governing body over this geographical region, I like to imagine like an ethics council that would govern areas little by little.
So this ethics council rules over this area.
I would say it would be part of their ethical considerations to consider the geographical limitations of these areas.
So if there's only so much land that can be used, it would be unethical to bring more people in because then it would lead to unsafe housing conditions.
What if people don't consent to communism?
Like you realize that there are capitalists in society that would fight against communism.
It depends on how the transition goes.
So like, let me give you an example.
So Santa Barbara, the area we're currently in, there's an area of Santa Barbara called Montecito, which is obscenely wealthy.
It's one of the wealthiest parts of the entire country.
Oprah Winfrey lives there.
A bunch of other celebrities live there.
What's stopping me once we descend into a communist society?
Well, I want to live in Oprah Winfrey's house now.
She doesn't want other people to live in her house.
But what's stopping me and a band of ragtag Santa Barbara people from just taking her house?
Or does she, it's not her house anymore, right?
Whose house is it?
I guess, yeah, there's no personal, there's less personal property.
Is there a state?
That would, like I said, depend on the way that we transition into that.
So like I said, it would, in a peaceful, in the peaceful way of going into communism, I guess we would go through socialism, have universal basic income, basic needs all met through income, through making sure that we have the income that we need.
And then we would eventually, I guess, get to a point where we wouldn't need the income.
So at that point, maybe everybody would agree to no longer have income.
there's no private ownership of property right is that i think my foot my personal focus is less on like private ownership of property and like more like corporations billionaires like the massive scale so like but can i own do i own a house Is a house mine under communism?
I think I would say ideally yes, in the way that that house is your access to safety and shelter.
Yeah, safety, you know, what a house naturally provides, safety, shelter, and comfort for you to develop your family.
That would be, I would consider a basic human right.
But are we all equal under communism?
Equal is a strong word for me.
But so why does Oprah get that house and I'm living not only?
I don't think Oprah does get that house.
I don't think so.
She gets kicked out of her house?
I would argue, yes.
Does she get the guillotine as a capitalist?
That's not for me to decide.
Would you like to see capitalists guillotined?
That's a controversial question.
Why is that controversial?
Well, if I were to want to be a politician one day with my political science degree, I don't want to be on the interweb saying, yes, Jeff Bezos should get guillotined.
That would be, and now we're going to clip it and it's going to go crazy.
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, is that your position?
I wish that there was a way for all of us to live peacefully together without there having to be guillotines.
I'm sorry.
But do you think the world would be more peaceful if we were to guillotine?
Whoa, I didn't know that.
Wait, so are you okay?
Are you okay with offing people because of their political or financial perspectives?
Political?
No.
Wait, wait, wait.
So hold on.
Sorry, do you want to continue answering your question?
Real quick.
Political, no.
It depends on the steps that we're taking and that we've already taken.
Like if we're in a revolution and we're trying to take over the world, somebody could get to Elon Musk and take over his house.
You're saying guillotine, which is inherently like a state authoritarian thing.
It's not like an individual doing something to another individual.
Well, the collective people could guillotine them.
That's what I mean.
Like, it's a large body of people typically in charge or that have revolted that are doing it.
And typically, it's against somebody who has a different political leaning because they're capitalists, right?
So, are you okay with offing capitalists?
I no.
Well, you just said we should guillotine Jeff Bezos.
I said that I would be okay if somebody else didn't.
I wouldn't be sad about it.
That is the exact same thing.
You wouldn't hold Jeff Bezos down, but you would be in the crowd cheering.
I wish that there was a peaceful way to go about things.
And I hope that there is a peaceful way to go about things.
A peaceful way to guillotine people.
No, not to guillotine people, just to have to cultivate a kinder society.
How did Stalin and Mao go about their communist killing millions of people?
But those millions of people were not, I assume, were not the wealthy.
No, they weren't.
Question: How much do you do you have any savings?
First, for my upcoming tuition, yeah, I have a couple thousand in savings.
Do you have any crypto?
Yeah.
But you have, what, maybe $10,000 in savings, less?
Way less.
Less.
Okay.
I don't know exactly where I'll know where that puts you on a global scale.
Well, I guess kind of my issue here a little bit is you may be in the 1% globally.
So what happens when like third worlders view you as the 1% and come for you with the guillotine?
I would hope not.
I try to advocate for everybody and be kind to everybody.
I'll smile at everybody.
You're a 1%er.
They don't care.
You're going to get the guillotine.
I would really doubt that I'm a 1%er.
Like you are.
If you drove here, you flew here.
Globally?
You know?
You might be in the 1% globally.
No, I don't think that.
If you have a few thousand dollars in savings, you might be 1% globally.
Maybe.
Think about it.
You got to think there's like what 1.4 billion people in India and like 1.39 of those people, whatever, they don't have the equivalent of $1,000 in savings.
So globally, I mean, I don't know.
You kind of seem like a bit of a capitalist hoarder over here.
I'm about to spend it all on tuition.
I don't even have my full semester's tuition right now.
That's your own thing, though.
You're not spending it on other people.
Would you like to see a hegemonic worldwide communist system?
I don't know what hegemonic means.
Okay, let's forget that.
Would you like to see communism worldwide?
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, so like worldwide, you're in the top 1%.
You have massive amounts of privilege.
You live in the United States.
Blonde white woman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when we, under a communist system, I don't know if a bunch of people would want to geographically relocate to the United States if we've completely done away with the, you know, because a lot of people come to the United States for economic opportunity.
Would you.
I'm pretty sure they're going to kill you, though.
I don't know.
Like in your communist, I think they're coming for you too.
Maybe, but I hope not.
I try to use my privilege the best that I can and advocate the best that I can.
And I'm not doing everything that I could for sure.
And I have a lot of privilege.
I'll be the first person to say that, is I do have a lot of privilege.
But like I said, I just hope the best for everybody.
I hope that we can live in a peaceful world.
And if I am at the cost of that, if my life is the cost of that, then that's what I'm saying.
What about Elon Musk?
If his life is the cost, I really don't like that guy.
Yeah.
Does that justify him?
No.
How about this?
Should Elon Musk, with all his vast wealth, most of which is tied up in stocks and his businesses, but should he get the guillotine?
No.
Why Jeff Bezos, though?
You said Jeff Bezos should get the Nazi.
Now that I think about it.
Okay, let me reflect.
No, ethically, they should not get the guillotine.
Where's the butt?
Give us the butt.
They should redistribute their wealth.
They should redistribute their resources.
Also, I saw on your blue sky, you have some thoughts on Elon Musk.
Can you stop making that noise, please?
Yeah, I don't like him either.
Yeah, you said Elon Musk is a what?
Oh, God, I don't use blue sky that much.
I don't remember what I said.
You said he was a Nazi.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's a Nazi.
He did the Nazi salute.
And my whole family is Jewish.
They came over during the Holocaust.
And it's something that, even if that's not how it was intended, that's how it comes across.
Can I show you a video?
By the way, Mamdani?
Yeah.
Like, you know, New York how he.
Are you a fan of Mamdani?
Zoro?
I don't really know that much about him.
I haven't been following it that closely.
Well, he ran for mayor of New York.
Yeah.
Can I show you a video of his, Nick?
The first one, please.
So this is his acceptance speech.
Go ahead and play it.
Oh, my God.
It's a Nazi salute.
Wait, wait.
Can we play the video, please?
Wait.
And then play it.
So just want to be clear.
Can you tell us, is that a Nazi salute that Democrat just did?
I mean, I guess so.
Is that a Nazi salute, though?
Yeah, but you think he was trying to do a Nazi salute?
No, but I think Elon has also shared a lot of takes that, you know, give backing to calling him a Nazi.
He allows a lot of hateful speech and rhetoric, and he promotes it.
What has he said that's Nazi-esque?
I mean, I don't go on Twitter, but I know that it is very full of that.
And I've seen stuff, you know, retweeted and shared by him.
I don't have direct quotes for you because I honestly don't read that much of it.
So free speech is Nazi-esque?
I mean, if you're being like a Nazi, then free speech is being a Nazi.
What is a Nazi?
A Nazi?
It's someone who's anti-Semitic, you know, the people who killed the Jews.
Weren't they socialists?
Aren't they the National Socialist Party?
I have no clue.
Solid.
10 out of 10.
We're talking about Nazis.
We don't even know who they are.
Let me do that.
Let's do this.
So do you think Elon Musk is a Nazi?
Do you agree with her?
I think he did do the Nazi salute.
Okay, for you two.
I do not.
Pull up the video again really quick.
Let's just pull up the other one.
The other one, both videos, because it shows both.
All right, so we're going to play these.
Go ahead, play.
No audio.
I've turned off.
Okay, so much about the light with it, though.
To me, it seems like he's just giving like a brocist.
Aggressive.
There's also like 10 other videos of a million other Democrat politicians that have done this.
To me, he's not doing the Nazi salute.
That does not look like.
Y'all don't see the difference.
Well, there's a difference, obviously.
Like they're going through the motion a little bit differently, but the final ending gesture is pretty much Ellen does it quicker.
But I don't know.
I'll grant you Ellen moves quicker.
Besides that, the actual gesture is the exact same.
You're going to have...
Zoban had his hand up, like more like a wave.
Elon was very much diagonal.
Here, show us how he did it.
Show us how Zoe ran.
No, how about this?
So don't show us, because you think Elon Musk did the Nazi salute.
I want, here, show the Zoron one again.
Yeah.
Watch that, that wrist to ankle.
So question for you.
If Mamdani, here.
That's very strange.
Start from the beginning, please.
Yo.
It's like a Roblox hand.
Yup.
Oh, that's straight.
Oh, look at that.
It's just so strange.
Just like that.
Here, watch, watch, watch.
Look at the English.
Watch it three times.
Look at the English.
And I want you to do it.
Go ahead, do it.
That's literally...
No, do his motion.
Wait.
No, do the motion.
Do the motion that he's doing.
I'm technically German.
Look, look.
Do so.
That was a beautiful.
Straight arm.
No, his arm is not bent.
Go ahead, do it.
Do it more straight.
Do it how to get it.
Wait, if he didn't, hold on, hold on, hold on.
If he did not do a Nazi salute, then you should have no problem copying it.
All right.
Right?
I'm just saying.
Oh, she's.
It's easy.
Yeah.
No, the hand wasn't bent up that much.
I really.
All right, clip and shit, boys.
Yeah.
Fucking God.
We got Nazi, life in the flesh.
Yep.
Look, look, Elon Musk, I'm pretty sure he's autistic, right?
A little bit autistic.
The guy didn't do a Nazi salute.
Come on.
I think it's willful ignorance to say that he's not doing it when you can easily see what his rhetoric and stances have been on a multitude of issues.
And I don't think autism is an excuse for it at all.
There are plenty of autistic people who would never say or do that kind of behavior.
Can you give one speech?
Namely me, I am diagnosed with autism.
I've been diagnosed since 2023 and I would never do those.
Can you give one specific example of one policy that he gives that is Nazi-esque or something he has said that is Nazi-esque?
I mean, again, I don't have word for word, but he was backing Trump who's pushing fascist ideology.
What has Trump said or done that is Nazi-esque?
Well, he's a strong nationalist telling other people they need to get out of our country.
What is wrong with nationalism?
Nationalism is inherently wrong because it's saying that, oh, we, the white people here, are the superior people.
Everyone else can get out of here because we're in the United States.
He said Americans, not white people.
Yeah, are other countries allowed to be nationalists?
Brown Americans are getting deported.
They're not American.
They're illegal.
There are.
There have been rage baiting the liberal.
There have been legal immigrants here who have been deported.
You can look it up.
They've been arrested by accident and then taken, processed, realized that they're legal, released back.
Or if they have been arrested, it's also because they've been beating police officers, different things like that.
Okay, I don't get that.
It's the by accident part, but they're not exactly nice about it.
And I wouldn't be nice about it.
This is a lot of people.
They're only a recent.
Girl, what the fuck?
Anyway, they're taking over the country.
Anyways, with the interrupting, it's crazy.
What the, I'm sorry, excuse me.
The detainment centers.
Yes, the detainment centers.
There has been evidence that has recently come out that has shown torture and unfit conditions for these immigrants, whether they're illegal or not.
And it has also been shown that the majority of the people that are being held in these centers are non-violent criminals.
Are you talking about Seacot?
I'm talking about the detainment.
Yes, that one.
Seacott.
Yeah, these are murderous people that have killed, that have robbed, pillaged, raped.
Sorry, graped.
You're telling me that the people in Seacott are just brown people?
The people in the detainment centers.
No, I'm talking about CCOP because that report was made about Seacot.
Without interrupting.
Chill.
Go ahead.
Well, you interrupted her.
I'm just saying.
I'm good.
I'm not going to go into the rage bait with you.
I think you have your opinions and I have my opinions.
And that is that.
We're here to discuss our differences.
You're not going to get into the rage debate with her?
Yes.
I promise I'm not rage.
That was actually a big thing about my last podcast.
And especially Rachel.
Rachel, I love you, but she said that I'm like, I don't actually hold my beliefs.
I do.
I've faced a lot of monetary repercussions because of it.
So, I mean, I'm happy to debate this time.
I mean, I wouldn't debate with you because I agree with you, but yeah, I actually hold these beliefs.
I'm not just rage baiting.
Can I say something?
So you're saying like they're being treated like bad in these like centers, but at the end of the day, they committed a crime.
They were here illegally.
And I, okay, you're, you, I am Mexican.
I, my parents came here legally.
They went to the process.
And there's so many like people that come here that shouldn't be here that are illegal.
Like, we have too much people in this country.
Like, for example, you go to Japan, Korea, their migration, they're super strict.
They be asking why you're here, how long you're going to stay.
They're like a hawk on you.
If you overstay your visa, they kick you out immediately.
Mexico, Mexico.
Even Mexico.
Mexico, Mexicans don't want Americans there too.
If you see recently in the news, like Mexican, like Mexicans were like, get out, Americans.
We don't want you here.
Pretty much.
I'm a proud aboriginal American.
I'm an immigrant.
Or first-generation immigrant.
Let's rush.
Let's do this, though.
Okay, so well, we already talked about the Nazi stuff, I guess.
But so is it, I guess, both your positions that Elon Musk is a Nazi.
Is that correct?
That's your position.
I mean, I don't think he's going out fucking trying to kill Jews and stuff, but I think he is like doing actions that are Nazi-esque, yes.
Nazi.
I don't know if I made a word there, but like.
I'm not quarreling with you about that word.
I think it's fine.
And she was asking, can you point to something that I guess either Trump or Elon Musk has done that is Nazi-esque?
But we're not looking.
We don't need a verbatim quote if you get a word or two wrong.
You can even tell us the essence of what you think.
I told her.
No, but what is the essence of what Elon Musk or Donald Trump is doing that is Nazi-esque?
I think the way that they are treating immigrants in this country is exactly like Nazi Germany.
It's how it started.
Like my whole family comes from there.
My family was in the Holocaust, and they have said that it reminds them of exactly how the Holocaust started, and they're scared of where it's going.
Are they putting them into execution camps?
I mean, those detainment camps that they have them in are horrible.
There was a woman there who didn't get medical care at all, and she died because she was pregnant.
Can I ask you a question?
If I were to go to Israel without a visa, like and I overstayed my visa in Israel and I was deported from Israel, would Israel be acting in a Nazi-esque sort of way?
Well, I don't agree with the Israeli government at all either.
I think that they are also not great.
But sure, but I'm asking, would and you could replace Israel with any country, right?
You could replace with Japan if I you know, I go to Japan and I overstay my visa, but and I want to continue staying there.
So I think what they're doing to the Boston is Nazi-esque.
Okay, but I'm asking you if I get deported because I'm there illegally at that point if I get deported is the action that the government is taking through deporting me is that Nazi-esque behavior?
I think it's the part where they do it in mass.
It's not like they're just doing a few people.
They're rounding all these people up purposely hiking them down.
They're illegally.
But they're going they're going up to people just because they're brown.
Like let's go ahead.
You know what?
Let's just go ahead and for the sake of the argument, let's go ahead and say that's wrong.
Now, of the people that they do deport, are you okay with that?
No, I think that this place is supposed to be a land of opportunity.
It's supposed to be a melting pot.
I think that everyone should be working to support each other and help each other have a better life.
And I think people like that are escaping from a situation that's not necessarily good for the most part.
And a lot of them are searching for a better life here.
And that's what we're supposed to offer.
We're supposed to be the land of the free.
We're supposed to be this place where people can have their American dreams come true, you know?
Are we just the world's dumping ground for people?
Then we have to suffer for it.
Like we are the land of the free, but like not the criminals.
Yeah.
We should.
But they're not all criminals.
They're just here.
Are you okay with deporting the illegal or the criminals?
People that have if they're violent offenders, sure.
But the majority of them are not violent offenders.
Do you see?
They're just people working in the farms.
But you see, a lot of Americans want slave labor.
I want people to come to our country, but legal.
Wait, what?
I just got her to admit that she's okay with slave labor.
No, I'm saying I think that our farm workers are underpaid and treated unfairly.
And because they're illegals and they're paid under the book, if they were Americans, they would actually have to report these numbers and they would have to pay them fairly.
But I don't think that's right either.
I think we should be trying to do more to help everyone instead of trying to make people get to the bottom.
Where's the money to help everyone?
We have homeless vets laying on the banks.
Do you know how much money just fucking spent on a gold ballroom and you're saying we don't have enough money?
That was not through taxpayer money.
That was all through donations.
There's plenty of money that they spend on frivolous stuff that could be going to help the people who actually need it.
I agree.
Legal people, though.
Yeah, I would agree with one argument just being like, we can't even take care of the people who are already here.
I mean, we could.
We have the means to.
It's just not happening.
We're spending it too much on a million dollars.
Exactly.
That's why it's not happening.
That's not why.
That's not realistic.
So you got to think realistically.
Can I ask one more question?
Illegal immigrants contribute more to our social funds than they receive.
So they don't receive any labor.
Yeah, that's disputed.
There's massive amounts of dispute there as to the net economic benefit of illegal immigrants.
Massive amounts of dispute.
The benefit that they receive or benefit from?
I mean, it depends what framework you're looking at it from, but there's a lot of, there's different ways you can do an analysis on this.
And if you're accounting for certain things like, well, okay, we need to, you know, are you accounting for the a lot of these illegal immigrants?
They just go to the hospital for their medical treatment and then they never pay their hospital bill.
Are we accounting for that in the economic calculus of the net impact of illegal immigration?
And so your math on that would probably exclude things like that.
That is a fair argument.
Something that I did just write about in one of my final papers was the fact that deporting, now this is slightly separate, but deporting all of the immigrants or the majority of the immigrants in the United States would actually lead to between a four and six something percent decrease in the GDP,
which is similar as similar rates to that of that we saw that in the 2008 economic recession.
Is GDP the only metric that matters if you're doing an analysis of the prosperity of the nation?
No, and that's a silly question.
Well, but that's what you cited too.
You were like, well, the GDP would go down.
That's one thing.
Even if we grant that that's true and there's some dispute whether the GDP would actually go down, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, or maybe it's not quite as severe as you say it would.
So?
So I think people would be willing to take a perhaps marginal economic hit if it meant that all illegal immigrants were deported from the United States.
Like, for example, in order for us to put murderers away, we have to have a robust criminal justice system.
We need to hire investigators and police officers to investigate murders.
And that costs money.
And it's expensive to go through the justice system and, you know, maybe they're trying to find the guy.
That can cost hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.
That's very expensive.
I don't really care what the cost is, you know, as long as we get murderers justice.
Absolutely.
Right.
So in this case, I don't think when we're talking about wanting to deport illegal immigrants, I don't think people are solely focused on the economic impacts of illegal immigration.
I think they're thinking about other things too.
Also, does your analysis of the GDP, does it factor in, like, here's one example.
How many, do you know how many illegal immigrants are in the United States?
No, not off the top of my head.
I know that there's, no, no, I don't off the top of my head.
Let's say it's at least 10 million.
I think the numbers are higher.
Some people say 11 million.
Some people say it's in the 20s.
Some people say it's in the 20s and the 30s.
Who knows, right?
Okay.
It's definitely over 10 million.
Do you think all the illegal immigrants are homeless?
No.
They're living somewhere, right?
Well, how much do you spend on rent?
I spend $1,520.
Rent is expensive, isn't it?
Yeah, so these illegal immigrants, they're not homeless.
They're living somewhere.
That's housing stock that could otherwise be freed up for citizens.
So there's a lot of, you know, when we're doing this analysis, I'm sure that, well, the GDP would go down.
Okay, well, it's plausible that our rents might go down too if we free up like massive amounts of housing stock.
I have actually, I heard that in my urbanization class.
We talked about that, and that was the first thing that he, one of the first things that he said.
And that could be very much true that, or no, it would be true because you're increasing the supply of housing that we have, and that would, you know, make more demand available.
Or, you know, however it works.
I'm sorry.
One other, or sorry, did you want to continue?
What would additionally free up the housing market would be to reduce or eliminate big banks and big corporations and Airbnb from being able to purchase these properties in bulk?
Like, these big billionaires have a whole bunch of vacation homes.
Having a limit on vacation homes would also free up a lot of housing.
So I am aware that, like, BlackRock, for example, has bought up a lot of houses.
Nick, can you just do a Google search for how much of the housing stock in the United States is owned by private corporations?
So, look, I wouldn't necessarily object to like if you own more than like three properties or something, maybe even two properties, there should perhaps be a vacancy tax.
A lot of redistribution.
Well, I know in Canada, for example, a lot of rich Chinese people, well, I don't think it would be redistribution.
A lot of Chinese people have bought up a bunch of properties in Vancouver and Toronto, and the price of rent in various Canadian major cities has completely skyrocketed because the Chinese wealthy are like, whoa, this is a good investment.
Canada is like very, has a very kind of, well, I don't know if it's, is it stable?
I don't know.
Canada's kind of getting fucked a little bit.
But Canada is a good place to buy real estate for a lot of these wealthy foreigners or whatever.
And so I'm not really opposed to like a vacancy tax.
I think that's probably fine, but I don't think that that does anything to diminish my point.
And by the way, I think the amount of, in terms of the amount of housing stock that corporations own, it's far less than what is occupied by legal immigrants.
Nick, do you have a number?
Yeah, sort of.
It's hard to know exactly where that ever gets.
Corporations own 9%.
Aren't these corporations 1 in 10?
Aren't these corporations also classified as too big to fail?
That was how a lot of corporations, a few corporations, were classified during the recession.
I don't know of these specific ones, but I know that that was how some companies were, especially banks, were classified during the recession.
But I mean, going back to a point you were making, you were saying that these people are, they're leaving their countries.
They're refugees.
They're asylum seekers.
I mean, I kind of think it's bullshit.
I think they're just economic migrants.
And also part of asylum seeking or being a refugee, I believe international refugee or asylum law is like if you're coming from South America, you have to stop in the first country that's safe.
You can't just, hmm, oh, I want to go live in this country a little further away.
No, you have to stop in the first country that I guess is safe.
Maybe I'm not articulating it perfectly, but these people pass through otherwise okay countries in South America, Central America, and well, I guess we'll include Mexico in this.
My understanding is you can't leave Mexico to come to the U.S. as an asylum seeker.
Mexico is not viewed in that way.
Is my understanding?
I'm not saying it's necessarily asylum seeking.
I'm saying they're trying to make a better life.
And I don't think that that should be an issue.
My stance on this is an ethical one, not one based in, you know, the GDP and stuff.
Mine is about other human beings and trying to lift other human beings up to have a better life.
Because I think everyone deserves it.
So do you think everybody should just be allowed to come here?
Like, that is a genuine question.
Do you think everybody should just be allowed to come here?
I don't care.
Do what you want to do.
Like, my whole thing is if something is good for you, then if you're not hurting anyone, then do it.
What if it does hurt?
What if it doesn't?
It's not hurting people.
It is.
It objectively is.
What has a Mexican immigrant ever done to hurt you?
The mass immigration from Mexico, from any of these countries where it's been smaller.
What has someone ever done to hurt you?
It's not exclusive to the U.S., though.
Like, immigration anywhere is going to come and take problems either way.
What problems has it caused for you personally?
Increase.
Why would that be?
Because she's saying this for ages.
It's hurting people.
I want to know how to do it.
How do you see the news?
Yes, I do watch the news.
What are you watching, Thox?
Do you know who MS Dirti?
Like, you know, all of those gang members, mostly are Latinos.
Do you know anything about the Somalians?
Somalians, too.
Ah, yeah.
You're going with that.
No, I'm just, it's one example.
I do know.
What's wrong with you?
Quick question.
Why did your parents immigrate here?
To have a better life, but they did it legally.
Illegally.
But that can take up to 20 years.
Not everyone has that long to get out of their situation.
In Mexico, there's no, okay, some parts, like the cartels are like, you know, taking over, but a lot of parts of Mexico, it's like fine to live.
And like you said, Brian, there's no asylum seeking.
So a lot of Mexicans are going illegally, like boarding the I don't know why people try to act like Mexico is like full of just a kind of rampage.
Drug corruption rape.
Like there's other things in that country, you know, right?
Like there is houses, mansions, hotels, resorts, tourist attractions.
Like people live there.
That's what you tourists see of it.
That's not the reality of living in it for a lot of people.
There is rampant political.
That's not the real corrupt here either.
Is that not the situation here too?
Like LA gangs are like a like good point.
Like America is so cooked right now.
Like it's actually I agree with that.
America is cooked corruption.
Why should we be going to Mexico to seek asylum?
Bro, if you want to go to Mexico to seek asylum, you do you.
Like I said, I'm for doing what you would do illegally, right?
Would you go illegally?
Bro, if I want to go somewhere, sure, I'd go illegally.
If I want to get out of America, if they find out you're illegal in Mexico, they'll kick you back to America.
Just say.
And also, you can't protest you.
That's almost every other country.
Every other country.
You can't do that.
I mean, I'm more for going to Sweden personally.
So why would you there too?
Why don't you leave?
Because I have a life and I have a family and I don't have the means.
Do you do you question for you guys going around the table?
Do you think America is the best nation in the world?
Yes.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love America.
No.
Yes.
Yes.
So, okay.
Where would you rather be?
You said Sweden.
I go to Sweden.
You go to Sweden.
Okay.
Free health care and stuff.
Pretty sick.
Free health care.
Yeah, but also their population is extremely homogenous with just a tiny, tiny change.
It's changing.
It's changing, and a lot of the welfare is changing as well with that.
Yeah, well, so here's the thing, right?
So you can either have a robust welfare state or you can have robust illegal immigration, but you can't have both.
I think you can have both.
We definitely can have both.
I think we can provide welfare.
And I'm not saying they have to stay illegal.
I'm saying we can make it easier for people to become legal.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
I'm kind of against that.
I agree with fixing the system because I think you should flush it.
I think the situation that it is right now, it's backed up by years and years that needs to be flushed and changed.
But I also think we should be much, much, much stricter with the people that we do let in once we do change it.
Daycare.
We shouldn't just be letting every person in just because they want to come in.
But so, okay, so just so I understand your position, of the illegal immigrants who are criminals.
Violent offenders.
Violent offenders, to be clear, you're fine with them being deported.
Is that correct?
I mean, I think that they should face legal repercussions.
And if they have to go face that back where they're from, that's fine.
I don't think, like, if you're not a violent offender, I don't think that that should apply to you.
But, like, if you did something to physically harm someone, then yeah, like, I don't care.
So, okay, they can be deported.
But then of the people who, let's assume that they're not committing, well, aside from being illegal immigrants, they're not committing like specific crimes that don't relate to immigration violations.
You're not okay with them being deported.
No, I think there are a lot of, the majority are hardworking and trying to make better lives for themselves and their families, and they should be allowed to do that.
Why can't they do it in their home country?
A lot of them don't have the means.
They feel that they can't do it there.
There's corruption.
There's violence, whatever the reason may be.
That sounds like a matter of fact.
There's a reason that America is supposed to be the land of opportunity for people.
There's the whole American dream thing.
It's because people have the opportunity to do so much more with their life.
Okay, but so that is true of the legal immigrants that we led into the country and of its existing citizenry.
However, the American government has passed laws and has had laws on the book for a very long time preventing or attempting to prevent illegal immigration.
So the United States as a country and as a government has made a determination that you can't come here illegally.
So regardless of somebody's desires, if they want to make a better life for themselves, that doesn't give them cart free reign to stay in our country, enter our country.
It doesn't give them free reign.
Regardless of the feel-good, yeah, it feels great.
Okay, well, we have laws.
How long ago did your ancestors immigrate here?
I'm not sure how that would be relevant, but...
Well, because a lot of us, especially white Americans, have immigrant ancestors that came from Europe and from Germany.
We all did.
We assimilated.
That's the difference.
We assimilated.
We did not assimilate.
We committed a genocide against the indigenous.
How far back are we going?
And it's not a genocide.
Against the Native Americans?
It's not a genocide.
That is a genocide.
We've wiped out like the majority of their population with disease and violence.
Yeah, well, disease, hold on.
Disease disease.
Hold on.
No, it wasn't intentional.
One civilization took over another civilization.
Hold on.
It wasn't intentional.
First off, when it comes to disease, you think that the typical settler in the 16, 17, 1800s, do you think they had robust, do you think they had Wikipedia?
Do you think they knew about germ theory?
Is that what I said?
They were doing that.
You said it was intentional disease spreading.
No, these people got, people got sick.
They had no fucking clue about people didn't know in the 18, the 1700s and the 1800s about disease.
That's completely overstated, completely bullshit.
I'm pretty sure it's even fake news either.
Go ahead and slaughter.
I will concede.
Do you believe we live on stolen lands?
Yes.
Okay.
To which tribe should we return the land to?
A variety.
There's a variety of indigenous tribes.
But here's the question you have to ask.
The tribes, even before the white man ever stepped foot in the United States, these tribes were conquesting their own tribes.
They were, well, not their own tribes, other tribes.
They were fighting and taking their land and taking their game.
And so to which tribe do we return this stolen land?
Is it to the tribe that was conquered by the Apaches?
Is it the Chippewa?
Do we return it to the Chippewa or the tribe that conquered them?
Whatever tribe is, and then also the land back is going to be, if we want to do it peacefully, it's going to be a whole process.
And there's a whole bunch of different tribes that are in the United States because there's different regions that were, I don't want to say operated by, because that's a word, that's a phrase choice.
But people that resided in these areas indigenously.
But then there was also nomadic tribes.
So it's a very nuanced issue.
Look, I'm not saying that there was no plight.
of the Native Americans.
And certainly, in some regards, they were absolutely wronged in terms of broken treaties and so forth.
However, do you think that they were a peaceable people before the white man came to North America?
I wasn't there.
Okay, you weren't there when the white man was there either.
No, there's like recorded history.
There's recorded history of this happening.
History is recorded.
Right, okay.
There's also recorded history of massive amounts of inter-tribe warfare.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
I'm not saying that they were good or bad.
I'm actually going to say that that's bad, but that's a human nature arguing.
The settlers did was conquest, which is exactly what they were doing to their other, to the other Native American tribes.
We did conquest for no less or no more.
Is it no more noble a cause?
No more.
No more, no less.
I don't know which one it fucking is.
No less of a they were conquering each other.
Yeah.
They were conquering each other.
I'll say for good faith, right?
But they were also overall living in a way that was more compatible with the Earth's natural functions.
I thought you said that.
How they were murdering.
You weren't there.
I wasn't there, but there's evidence.
The American buffalo in the Midwest, they would literally run them off of cliffs because they just needed the meat for one day.
would waste so much of the buffalo the pollution the massive cattle farms you think that's more humane than just killing one animal because you need they weren't killing one animal they They would run an entire herd off of a canyon.
Okay, so we should keep them all in little tiny cases.
I mean, yeah, European settlers brought civilization to North America.
So, I mean, yes, there's absolutely criticisms in terms of pollution.
Some of the blame there would be more modern industry would you'd place the blame on them.
But yeah, we brought civilization to North America.
Can I ask you and just like follow me really quick here?
Okay, not every pilgrim and person that came colonizing the U.S., not every single one of them was violent, correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
So what about the situation going on with, I'm not just saying Mexico, but I'm saying mass immigration from Somalia, from Mexico, from any of these places.
They're coming into our country.
A lot of them, especially with the whole Somalian thing right now, they're explicitly stating that they want to make their own little political enclaves, their own little societal enclaves.
How is that not their own little mini form of colonization while they're taking over our country, our resources, our...
They're not going around slaughtering people.
Some of them are violent.
As you just admitted, a percentage of immigrants that are violent and trying to slaughter people.
What percentage of the pilgrims were violent?
Because that's the point I'm making.
Was that quantifiable data now for more modern times?
We cannot as easily quantify population and rates from the 1500, 1600s.
Okay, I'd love to get numbers then.
We have two chats coming through.
Yo, Metro, thank you.
Chair one and two.
If America is not the best in the world, why do so many come here illegally instead of their stable neighbors?
That's a good question.
Because they can't fly to Sweden.
They don't have the means.
Do they have the means to get here?
The question I believe was their like Mexico's neighbors is what I would say.
Well, if America is so bad, you guys probably aren't big fans of America.
You think America is so terrible.
Why would you be so in favor of all these illegal immigrants coming to the United States if America's so bad and it's fascist?
America's fascist.
Why should people come here if they're about to enter into a fascist Nazi regime?
Well, I don't think we're fascism yet.
It's about to be 1930s fucking Nazi Germany in the United States.
Are you sure it's the best?
Are you sure it's really safe for these, as you said, brown people to come to the United States when we're about to be in a we're going to have a Nazi fascist regime?
Is it really safe for don't you care about the well-being of these illegal immigrant brown people?
I'm worried for them.
I'm kind of scared.
I don't think they're safe.
You know, my honest opinion, I don't think it is safe for brown people right now.
I don't think it's safe for trans people.
I don't think it's safe.
So many people.
You're right.
Maybe they should not come here.
Or, or hear me out.
Hear me out.
Maybe we should just stop treating them like shit.
Who's treating them like shit?
Who?
How do the individuals?
What are they doing to them?
What are they doing to trans people?
What are they doing to trans people around?
Would you go to war?
Like, not literal war, but if I got deported from Japan, because I was like, damn, I was trying to, you know, I was trying to get, you know, I was trying to, you know, be a little weeb in Japan or some shit.
Would you cry a tear?
Would you shed a tear for me if I got deported, a white man, if I got deported from Japan?
I mean, sure, if you're really bummed about it, I'll shed a tear for you.
I'm so sad.
Then I'll shed a tear for you.
My little Japanese girlfriend.
I would not shed a tear for you, bro.
I wouldn't shed a tear for me.
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The illegal immigrants in the USA do not pay taxes because they are there illegally.
And the companies and corporations take advantage of them by paying them less with no benefits.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
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To be honest.
Probably most of them dislike me.
Some of them probably think I'm okay.
We like I'm not.
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Interesting that all of these refugees send billions of dollars per year back to their home nations and tax-free remittances, all while enjoying tax-funded social safety nets.
Sounds like plunder to me.
Plunder, good word.
Chaw.
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Thank you.
The natives were still in the Stone Age versus technologically superior civilization.
The fact they're still alive is just further evidence of Anglo's benevolence.
Wow.
Benevolence is wild.
I mean, have you ever been on a Native American reservation?
We literally had to teach them how to fish because over time.
My boyfriend's whole family is Native American.
So I okay, yes.
Did you force them on to the do you did?
You take like a history class like ever in your life?
Go ahead.
That was a question.
Did you take a history class ever in your life?
No, I've never ever ever learned history.
No.
That was an honors history.
Google is free, y'all.
Google is free.
We push the Native Americans onto the reservations.
We have the whole Trail of Tears that was like it's still acknowledged on our highways.
Like you could see where it's posted at.
If y'all ever go visit the East Coast, go take a look at it.
Trail of Tears happened.
We pushed the indigenous people of North America onto these reservations and we restricted their access to resources.
That's why those reservations are really shitty.
They're allowed to move out.
They're allowed to leave.
They're not in prison in these reservations.
Are they given the means?
Do they have the means?
Is every person given the means to leave and give a better life for themselves in America?
No.
No.
Look, I don't think we can acknowledge that, of course, throughout all periods of human history, look, the standard by which we live today is completely different than really at any other point in human history.
But you start going back a couple hundred years and the world looked a lot different.
War was common.
Border disputes was common.
Conquest was common.
Now we have a greater degree of diplomacy where these issues are typically not, typically not handled with might and force.
But through, well, I mean, look, that was okay.
Okay, we live in a more peaceful time than you know, the past after World War II.
Relatively speaking, we've lived in a relatively peaceful time.
Vietnam.
Well, yes, there was the Vietnam War.
Korea, Gulf War.
Those were smaller military.
9-11.
That was 10,000 people, I believe.
Okay, I'm speaking relative.
Relatively speaking, we live in an unprecedented time of stability and peace.
You start going back hundreds and hundreds of years.
Conquest, incredibly common.
Native Americans do have some legitimate grievances.
There's no dispute there.
There's no dispute there.
However, the reality is that conquest was the rule at the time, and it is what it is now.
And so, you know, how far back can we start talking?
Like, how far back can you go?
What's your threshold for how far back we can go?
Should we go back to the Roman Empire?
Should the Roman Empire be able to reclaim vast swaths of Europe and North Africa?
I think we should go forward.
That's the whole thing about being progressive is like the forward.
Right, but how, to which person, which group of people, if we're saying we must remediate all these past harms, and if we're talking about, you know, conquest, well, there's various territories in Europe that have traded hands dozens of times over centuries and millennia.
To whom do we return land that has passed from groups of people keeping track of it?
What's that?
Land shouldn't be owned by anybody.
Okay, well, the communists.
There we go.
It's full circle, guys.
Wait, if land shouldn't be owned by anybody, Native Americans have any right to that land.
It can be managed and cultivated in a way that is productive.
Wait, if land doesn't belong to anybody, the settlers didn't steal the land because it wasn't their land to begin with.
Is that you like to make weak arguments?
I don't think that that's if we're not in communism right now, so it did belong to somebody.
We're talking about what should be versus what we're doing.
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We paid them for New York.
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Chair One is correct.
In both Canada and the U.S., a indigenous people were forced onto small plots of land away from their original lands and had their languages and cultural practices outlawed.
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I don't know what the fuck is that.
Virtually.
She's virtually.
Virtually.
Virtually.
That is crazy.
Look, I think definitely Native Americans probably did not have a great go of things.
There's no dispute there.
But it is kind of the reality of the world.
It is the reality of the world.
Just because it happened and it is true that it happened, like we can't undo it, obviously.
We can't undo it.
But we can work towards making things better for Indigenous people, for white people, for Hispanic people, for whoever.
You know what?
Let's go ahead and just say, I 100% agree with you.
What happened to the Native Americans is wrong.
In any case, we now have immigration laws.
So I don't really see how that pertains to arguments as it relates to illegal immigration.
Like, it's just an appeal to hypocrisy.
Well, you white Americans, you're all hypocrites.
The United States government, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.
Okay, whatever.
We currently have laws as it pertains to legal immigration.
So given that, what would actually be wrong with deporting illegal immigrants?
I think in my stance, there is more of a lack of ethics in the detainment and less of that in the deportation.
I still think deportation is unethical.
I think that we have space for everybody.
And we grew up, as Americans, we went to school and we were thought, we had that picture of the globe and we were all holding hands of a variety of different skin colors.
And that's what I feel like my generation's American ideology, American image was built on was diversity.
So we ought to promote diversity and diversity is a beautiful thing.
I would hope that we can all agree with that.
I think that everybody deserves access to safety and comfort and the resources that they need.
I wish that these people did not have to immigrate.
But if there's a country that has a legal system and you're breaking the law, like that's a risk that you're taking.
And that's unfortunate.
I think that we should just change the legal system.
Do you have a right to other people's labor for your basic necessities?
No, I'm a communist.
That was actually contradictory.
I'm saying, do you have a right to other people's labor to gain to obtain your basic necessities?
Okay.
I see what you're asking.
Because you're saying that every person deserves, you're making a deserved claim.
You're saying that everyone deserves certain things.
So you're saying that I am entitled to somebody else's labor after slavery.
You're so hard at your job.
You want somebody else to come in that didn't work hard for theirs and take your money?
I want to work hard for myself and for others.
And I think that scientifically there have been studies that have shown that when all your personal basic needs are met, your natural direction is to provide for others.
So like you see with retired people, they tend to go volunteer because they don't have any, they have all their needs taken care of and they have a whole bunch of free time where they can just contribute, additionally contribute.
Do you have roommates?
No.
Do you have, you live alone?
I live alone with my cats.
Like your own apartment?
Can I like, would you be down to maybe house?
Like maybe some illegal immigrants on your couch?
I have a couple in Florida.
You can borrow.
I got a couple of closets from Mexico.
You'd be down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, what if they just entered your house?
Like, you didn't pre-clear it.
Without checking beforehand with you, if because it sounds like you would actually be okay with an illegal immigrant, well, anybody, I guess, just sleeping on your couch.
What if they just entered your house without your permission?
Well, that kind of leads me into something slightly separate, which would be my sense of safety.
Like I said, I believe everybody has to do it.
Let's assume they're safe.
They're safe?
They're safe, but they do illegally immediately.
And I know that they're safe.
Yeah.
Then, yeah, they're coming in.
We're having dinner together.
So, okay, and you're totally fine with that.
Wait, so you're okay if I come live with you?
You're not safe, girl.
Okay, so.
Wait, wait, hold on.
Just to be clear.
Just because I'm politically different, I'm not safe.
And guess what?
Guess what?
A lot of these immigrants, especially from Mexico, South America, a lot of them are Christian conservatives.
They just rely on Democrats because the Democrats prop up their immigration.
Otherwise, they're Christian conservatives.
Oh, sorry, Catholic conservatives.
You would prefer a male illegal immigrant over her?
Did we, we already established that that male is safe?
I have a sense of safety.
Yeah, you'd prefer him based on what I know about this woman.
That's not the best.
What do you know about that?
I thought you said diversity is important.
Diversity of thought.
Yeah, diversity of thought.
Wait, is it diversity of color or thought?
What if he has diversity of thought?
Yeah, what if he's a conservative?
What if he believes the same thing?
If he's a conservative, I would feel less safe.
You would feel less safe.
Why?
Conservatives stay too.
I'd let anyone stay if I knew they're safe.
Yeah, you say this, but I'm pretty sure if somebody just broke into your house and was just there living.
If somebody called you right now, even if they were super pleasant and you're like, oh, I think he's probably safe, but he just broke into my house.
I'm pretty sure you'd have an issue with that.
You want to say something?
If she would let them stay at her house from her best friend, she totally would do that shit.
That is some shit that would happen.
I would come to her house and she would be like, I'd be like, who's this guy?
And she'd be like, he just broke in.
He's just staying here now.
It's okay.
It's cool.
It's whatever.
He's very nice.
As long as he was nice.
She would do it.
Yeah, you guys, I think you guys say that.
Do your parents see you?
So all of these immigrants are just nice.
They're on that.
No, if I knew they were safe, I'd love them.
Like, what?
You don't know anyone's safe.
Yeah.
Well, he said that in this hypothetical situation, we knew that the person was safe.
So in this hypothetical situation, if I knew they were safe, I would let them stay.
You also, they're going to be spending, you know, your utilities are going to increase and you're going to have to give them a bit of your food.
I do that for people all the time.
Yeah.
So she's a great coach.
You make the choice.
Yeah, because I like to help people.
Just like in my free time, I make food and give it out to them.
In your free time.
In your free time.
What if you didn't do it yourself?
I use my money and make food and give it to people who are less fortunate than me.
What if you didn't have the free time?
You just had to do it forcefully.
The government forced it on you.
I don't care.
I'd do it anyway.
I wouldn't care.
I wouldn't.
Because I like to do it.
Be so for real.
Be so for real.
If somebody called you, I'm so sorry.
If somebody called you right now and said, what's your name?
Talia.
Talia.
If somebody called you right now and said, Talia, there's a guy.
He's in your apartment.
He's just sleeping on your couch.
Like, he's got all this.
He just brought all his stuff.
He said he's going to live here for the next year.
You're telling me you wouldn't be like, what?
You'd be like, oh, yeah, that's totally fine.
Yeah, probably honestly.
If I'm not going to be able to do that, bigger.
You know, that's a different conversation, different concern.
How about if you don't know?
Okay, if I don't know they're safe, that's different.
Because we don't know if illegal immigrants are safe or not.
We don't know.
We don't know.
I mean, but the majority of them are, and it's not like they're, you know, coming into your room while you're sleeping.
They're living in their house doing their work.
Also, I'm going to be so honest.
If she considers my political ideology, if she considers that unsafe and that's how we're basing the safety of the immigrants, actually let's do that because then that'll mean that none of them will come.
So that's pretty cool.
Stay too.
I don't know.
Okay, if you're conservative, we'll go by first chair.
We'll go by first chairs.
I think this is a scenario where if asked, would you house an illegal immigrant in your house or what if they just like broke in, but you know, they weren't immediately just assaulting you.
You saying yes, I find it completely dubious.
You know, I think you say yes because you know it leads to this.
It's like, okay, well, if the borders of your own domicile, your own living space are not subject to entry from just anybody, then it kind of is a, it is related to some degree to the borders of the nation.
And you're like, your position becomes a bit untenable if you're like, I disagree because they're not like in your sleeping space.
Like, they're just working their job.
Who cares?
Like, they're in my life space.
Well, it might be the case that.
So if you're referencing illegal immigrants, but they're not living in your house.
Well, things can get immediately, as soon as you step outside, things can drastically change in terms of crime demographics.
I've never been made to feel unsafe by an immigrant.
I have been made to feel unsafe by Americans.
How do you know?
How do you, yeah?
Also, not even their own personal experience.
Is it just because they're white?
That's pretty racist of me to assume that just because they're white, they're Americans.
I know they're non-white, they're not Americans.
Like they're people who I know for who they are.
Yeah, it's personal experience.
I have, I know.
But how many people?
Wait, wait, question for you.
When you see, do you feel safe around men?
Yeah, if they're chill.
What do you mean if they're chill?
Like, if they're not trying to make me feel unsafe.
Strangers, though.
I mean, I'll be cautious, but sure.
Like, I'm not going to, you know, run away and be scared of them.
Okay, so do you, what percentage of men would you say are safe?
I would say like 99%.
99% of the men are safe.
Okay.
I mean, maybe a little less, but the majority.
Like, the majority of men are not out to hurt me.
Can I ask you a question?
If you're walking down the street, middle of the night, just for some godforsaken scenario, and there were two girls, any of these two girls in the lineup, they were walking down one side of the street on the other side of the street.
There were multicultural, it doesn't matter, white, black, Hispanic, Chinese, whatever it is.
They're all on the other side.
There's a group of about 15 of them.
They're all super buff, huge, like, but they're not saying anything really weird.
They're just all walking too.
And like, which side do you think of the street you'd prefer to walk on?
Because you don't know if those guys are-whatever side I was on, honestly, I'm not gonna cross the street just because there's men there.
Can I say something?
I would pick the two girls because I go, me and my homegirl usually go to West Hollywood.
I got groped a lot of times for no reason.
On the club and not the club, the bar.
I don't go for clubs.
The bars.
And it was a worker there that was the, that does valet.
And he was, he looked Latino.
He just randomly groped and I was like, what the hell?
And then ran away.
I mean, I get that.
I've had similar experiences, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to assume automatically that a man is going to try to hurt me.
I'm not saying that men are out to hurt you.
I'm the biggest anti-feminist there is.
I don't believe that men are out here to hurt you.
But there's also observations you can make about the general public assuming that, hey, maybe two 120, 130 pound women Are gonna be a little bit more safer than a big group of 15 big jacked dudes in a big group that I can't defend myself against unless I'm armed.
I mean, I guess.
I mean, women can hurt you too.
Okay, well, we can only actually have a discussion if we're gonna argue in good faith and actually argue in honesty.
Like, there's no honest way you're telling me when we leave here that if that scenario pops up, you're gonna choose the side with all the men.
I said, I don't care what side I'm on.
I don't have a preference.
Like, I'll be on either side, whichever one's more convenient for me.
Okay.
Stay the night in Compton then tonight.
Just do that.
Oh, hell no.
Walk through the grocery store.
No, actually, like, walk through there.
Walk through.
What's that one street where the girl died in the hotel?
That, like, the worst.
Skid row, Skid Row.
Go walk down Skid Row, actually, tonight.
We'll go.
We'll go.
You know, it's a different thing.
We'll go barbarous.
Because the majority of people there are suffering from mental illness and drug abuse.
So that actually decreases.
Oh, so you're making assumptions.
You're making an assumption about the people.
Well, I mean, that's facts.
There's statistics on it.
Oh, there's statistics on general populations of how to, like, Google statistics.
In general locations.
Yeah, there's general statistics about that kind of stuff, right?
And you make assumptions about people.
I'm not right.
I'm going off of statistics.
It's statistically less safe to go to Skid Row than me to stand next to 15 dudes just walking on the street.
Wherever you go, it's going to be unsafe regardless.
Wherever you go.
Especially during night times, because I've seen a lot in LA.
Everywhere.
Just wherever you go, there's always going to be something.
Do you lock your door at night?
Uh, no.
Not usually.
What?
What?
Girl, are you actually?
Okay, you are actually BS and you're not.
I know.
She doesn't.
I come to her house at like naked hours of the night.
It's not in the morning.
I'm not scared.
Like, unannounced.
Yeah, she shows up in my room at 2 a.m. to wake you up.
Hey, I was bored.
Sorry.
Do you not realize?
Like, actually, that's safe.
Where do you live again?
Like, don't dox yourself, but like, like, state.
I live in California.
I live in a very safe area.
But you're not scared?
Like, like, not like one bit of fear when you don't lock your door at night.
Like, not like.
Guys, genuinely, she locks her door at night.
I know that for a fact.
She does.
Everything that comes out of her mouth at this point is just ignorance.
Lisa, how about if I found out where you live and I could just like walk your door?
It's willful ignorance at this point.
There's no way that you can.
Can you live your life like that from an outside perspective?
Just nope.
It's not normal.
Are you okay?
Okay.
Can we punch Nazis?
Yeah, fuck yeah.
My literal Facebook cover photo says punching Nazis is hot girl shit.
Okay, so when somebody calls, like for example, chair one, like calling me Nazi ask or calling Trump Nazi ask or calling any of these people Nazi ask, I'd punch Trump.
Okay, so that is the same exact ideology that led to Charlie Kirk's death.
People being okay with hitting other people and murdering other people for political political.
I mean, I wouldn't shoot them in the neck.
I'd probably slap them, though.
So again, you're okay with political violence against people that you disagree with.
If you're being a Nazi, sure.
What is it?
I think all Nazis should get slapped.
What is it?
If you're being hateful towards other people, you are actively trying to oppress other people.
Then sure, I don't give a fuck.
What's the definition of a Nazi tell us?
Do you have an exact textbook definition of a Nazi?
I'm asking you.
Don't know.
Come on.
If you want me to just pull the answer out, do you have the exact textbook definitely?
I'm asking you the question.
You think I just have like a dictionary in my head where I can like list definitions word for word?
Obviously, Talia, everybody knows that you have the biggest, you have the biggest, smart brain.
You know everything in the world.
You know every definition ever.
Is it okay to punch me?
I mean, you haven't done anything to harm someone else.
Just said if we're hateful and disagree with certain things, I'm pro-life.
I'm pro-life.
Are you hateful?
I'm pro-no.
I don't think I'm pro-claim.
I don't think I'm hateful.
I'm pro-life.
I don't have seen you do anything that would make me want to hate you.
No.
Okay, so what have, like, what is your degree then to when you can hit people, or let's just say, commit political violence against them for their opinions?
What's that threshold?
If you're actively doing something that's harming or oppressing people, okay, if I have donated to pro-life charities, if I've donated to anti-trans charities, anti-children, trans.
Going out and doing something yourself that participates in harming or oppressing someone, that's different than just giving your money.
But if you're going around like fucking, I don't know, trying to hunt trans people, sure, I'll slap you.
Okay, okay, of course.
So somebody, so violence, so you're just arresting them, dealing with them in the way that you would anybody that's being violent.
So you're not going after them for political reasons, you're going after them because they're being violent.
That's the difference.
But they're being violent for political reasons.
But at the end of the day, they're being violent.
It's not because just based.
I'm trying to save you here.
I'm trying to tell you.
You were saying you wanted to be violent for political reasons.
I'm trying to save you.
If they're being violent for political.
I don't care, honestly.
Like.
Are you okay with the person that murdered Charlie Kirk?
No, I don't think murder is a solution.
Okay, if he shot him and by the miracle of God he survived, would you be okay with that?
No, I don't agree with shooting people.
Okay, so what's the threshold of violence?
Oh, I'm just shooting.
Is it kind of like a little slap on the face, you know?
Okay, so how strong of a slap?
Like, what's the threshold?
Do you know that's a misdemeanor?
You slap someone.
Oh, I know.
So why the hell would you?
Oh, so you've done it before and you've got a misdemeanor.
That's what's up.
No, my criminal record is clear.
Okay, for sure.
But why would you risk it all just to like?
Because I don't like seeing other people be hateful and hurt other people.
And if you do that, I'm not the tolerant left.
I am the fuck you and your stupid ass opinion left.
So opinion, so you're saying opinions.
So would you hit me for my opinion?
I told you, you're not actively harming someone I would not hate.
Okay, so it's only if I'm going out and being violent towards another person, which then would be held, it would actually be handled by police, by federal law enforcement.
It would already be handled by.
Yeah, but if I saw it, I'd still smack you.
Like.
Like, what?
I'm not just going to watch someone do something like that.
So you're going to put yourself in prison?
I care about other people enough to put myself in harm's way to help that person.
What if it's not helping that person?
That's beautiful, but I think self-preservation is key in life.
I'm all for helping other people.
I would like to help however I can, and if I need to intervene in something, I will intervene in something.
But that's the thing.
If you resort to violence, you're already losing the conversation.
Like, you're just getting your emotions.
I'm saying it wouldn't be in a conversation.
It would be in a violent situation.
Okay, give me one example, please.
Okay, if someone comes up to my trans friend and they're like, fuck you, you're trans, you know, and they're trying to start a fight with them.
I will step in between them.
I will smack them.
Okay, that's wrong on the person going up to, like, fuck you.
You know, that's not right.
You know, like, we all got to be respectful one another besides our different political beliefs or like, you know.
That's been my whole point with this.
So if somebody, let's say we went outside and I was wearing a MAGA hat and somebody came up to me and just slapped me on the face.
Not even punch me, just slap me.
Would you punch that person back?
Yeah.
I will stand up for anyone.
I don't care if you're wearing a miracle.
At the same time, I'm saying I don't believe in trans.
I'm pro-life.
Well, you're not going out.
I'm in anti-immigration.
And then that person slapped me.
And then you're Trumpy.
So you don't get any of that rhetoric because it's harmful to anyone.
So you don't believe in violence?
Huh?
You don't believe in violence?
Not unless violence is being used.
But you would use violence against someone.
Pasty George do.
Sorry for the delay, Pasty.
Realistically, all of the land in both Canada and the USA can't be given back to native peoples because many different people born and raised in the West are now indigenous.
Think about it.
That's a good point.
Sorry for the delay on that.
I had to step away from the computer.
But thank you, Pasty George, man.
We have one other chat, then we'll get right back into the convo.
Fallen.
Anya, why don't we have you read these?
If you can read that.
I would let the brunette.
Actually, I'm blonde, but let the brunette in chair three sit on my face until I died from suffocation.
Side note, when are you having Nick Fuente?
Oh my god, please have Nick on the show.
Please.
I asked you to have somebody else on the show, and I would, I will fly all the way here just for that.
Yeah, you know, I've actually been considering it.
I'm not sure if he would do it, though.
I don't know if he would come on the show, but you should just have a show.
You know who I'm talking about, right?
I beg him.
Nick Fuentes?
No.
I don't want to name drop in case that causes a problem.
Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'm.
He would come on.
He's doing a generational run right now.
I don't know if he would.
But no, yeah, I've thought about it.
I've thought about it.
Bring him on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm open to it.
I'm definitely open to it.
Yes, please.
Yeah.
I'm going on the line.
I've just had to be cautious with my show because my understanding was like other YouTubers got like into trouble in the past for bringing him on.
In the past.
Now it seems like I don't know if YouTube has changed up their I think because they're competing with Rumble, because Patrick Bett David had him on, Tucker Carlson had him on.
Every big guy, small guy.
I was watching a guy that had like 2,000 subs and they got like a million views on that video.
Like so many people are having him on and it's fine because they have to compete with Rumble.
I think my understanding is YouTube.
YouTube previously was like, hey, this person is banned from YouTube.
If you platform him, you're going to get in trouble in the past.
But it seems like they've kind of eased up a little bit.
So I'm open to having a convo.
I'm open to that.
So I don't know if he would do it.
I don't know.
Maybe because, yeah, I guess there's some hesitation in the past because I know another podcast, Fresh and Fit, they had him on.
And my understanding was they got, they didn't get banned from YouTube, but they got demonetized or something.
And so I was like, oh shit, like, you know, look, I'm all about, I'm fine having these controversial convos, but do you stream on Rumble?
No.
No.
You're missing out, dude.
Is YouTube going to fucking banner?
I'm missing out.
Rumble's awesome.
We have another chat here from.
Pasty George donated $200.04.
Chair 3, CK was unalive for questioning the events of October 7th and other things.
Tree is doing.
JFK questioned.
Treeland pushed for inspections of Project Demona.
He was unalive the same year.
Yeah.
I love you, Pacy George.
Thank you, Pacy George.
Good to see you in the chat, man.
Thank you, man.
Really appreciate it.
And yeah, I don't think I've talked to Nick, though.
I don't think we've ever had any convo.
It'd be interesting that some of his things he has some of his takes I agree with.
I'm not gonna lie.
Some of his stuff, I'm like, I'm not a full 100% supporter of him.
I've definitely seen some of his stuff.
He's a little more socialist than I'd like.
Nick?
Yeah.
I don't really know.
Propaganda guy.
Nick Fort.
He's really short.
That's the woman propaganda.
He's so short.
That's his son.
Have you met him?
5'6?
No, no.
I didn't know he was.
I thought he was right.
He was taller than he was.
Is that fake news?
No, he's the one that went with Klavikler.
The height.
No, Klavikli.
I don't know.
Anyways, Pasty George, thank you for the message.
I did want to get.
Hmm, where were we?
As soon as Chair 2 is back, I wanted to finish up some of this convo and then move into a different subject here.
But were there some?
no okay we're good yeah i i think yeah that's just like fake news I'm not that sure.
All right, $200 TTS.
I think it's because he stands next to.
There was this one guy, I forget what his name is, but he has like... Kanye West?
No.
He has super curly blonde hair.
He's not huge, but he got huge because of him.
And he's super tall and you were standing next to him.
Yeah, whatever.
$100 read, Venmo Cash App, Whatever Pod.
Let me shout out the Venmo people.
Troy, thank you for the $10 on Venmo.
Pretty sure.
Or was it Cat?
Yeah, it was Venmo.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
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And there was something else we needed to.
Hold on, let me think about what we had to get into.
I'll just do the segment now while we're so who here does OnlyFans?
You chair two, no.
You do OnlyFans, you do OnlyFans.
No, not you.
Okay.
But you're her manager, whatever.
All right, so here, you know, look, have you ever had a sugar daddy?
Not really.
I've had some guy, some friend that I went to high school with, he would send me money pretty consistently, but not like, at most, the most it ever got to was like a couple hundred dollars in a month.
Okay, but has like maybe a random guy ever just sent you like 50 bucks or something?
Here's 50 bucks.
Or maybe at the strip club, some guy gave you a big tip or something.
Yeah.
What about you?
You ever had, I mean, it's probably baked into your OnlyFans, right?
Just guys just send you money.
I mean, yeah, like I've never had a sugar daddy like situation, but obviously like through OF, like it's just OF.
And then I know you guys, you two are not on OF, but has a guy ever just like, here's $100 kind of simped, you know?
Not simp.
I never paid for dates, dinners, nothing.
Like feet pics, like here's $100 for feet pics.
Have you done that?
I went with one guy and he gave me $2,000.
Can I have you just like.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, no.
Just turn your microphone a little bit.
No, Tilt it back down.
We're good, we're good, we're good.
You're good.
Yeah.
Turn it that way.
This way?
Yeah.
Now it's too far.
Just have it like straight point in your mouth.
Okay.
I think I have to get close here.
So you, for feet pics, you got some money.
No, I didn't do anything.
What about you?
Ever Sugar Daddy?
Yeah, what's the question?
I just want to know, like, is it difficult to be on OnlyFans?
Like, how much do you have to, like...
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You can't talk about that?
No, but I'm in the middle of a segment.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Your question's not related.
Okay, sorry.
Is it related to what I'm talking about?
No, I was just curious.
Okay, save it for later then.
Okay.
Do you want to answer my question, though?
What was your question?
Hello?
Okay.
Ever, has a guy ever sent, like sent you money?
Or like, have you had a sugar daddy money for feet pics, anything like that?
No feet pictures, no sugar daddy, but I've had guys send me money.
Just like random dudes, yeah, like here's a hundred bucks type thing, not like a hundred, but yeah, yeah, just how randomly from Tinder, yeah, from Tinder or like Snapchat, like you put your Venmo in the thing, no, like you, like I just post pictures of my face and then people offer sometimes on Tinder.
You'll be messaging, you'll mess up.
No, on Snapchat, on Snapchat, yeah, but you're not, it's not nudes, you're not sending nudes.
So they'll just be like, here's 20 bucks, yeah.
For what?
Just curious, why?
Why?
Just for funsies?
They just send you money?
Yeah, I don't know.
Okay, have you had that?
Like, same as her.
Have you sold feet pics?
No, I haven't.
And no, OnlyFans, none of that.
But guys have just given you money, sugar daddies.
I mean, not sugar daddies, but yeah, I do.
What about you?
I'm sure you've had quite a bit.
Well, that's an assumption because unfortunately I have not.
Come on.
Aside from OF, I haven't, and it's very actually sad.
I wonder how people get them.
You've never had a guy just, here's $100.
No.
Bullshit.
No.
Okay, well, you do well on OnlyFans, though.
Is that correct?
I would like to think so.
All right.
Do you make six?
Have you ever made six figures in a month?
Yes.
Okay.
Have you made seven figures in a year?
Yes.
Okay.
So, I mean, that's enough.
It's from the horses, not OF.
The horses.
Have you ever had the guy send you money?
Yeah.
It would be like someone I'm like talking to or like someone like I meet like at a club or something like that.
Okay.
Wait, stay here for the segment.
Everybody sit at the table for a moment.
What about you?
Have you had that?
20 bucks, 100 bucks.
Here's just okay.
And then you?
Yes, actually.
So I used to use this app called ePal.
And it's basically where people can pay to play games with people.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I used to be a pretty big gamer.
I have a pretty like detailed setup.
But not so much anymore.
But I've met a couple guys on there that literally just for like conversations to watch a show with them, a game, obviously.
And they'll just give you money.
The most I made in one go was $1,000.
And it was to watch an anime called Kono Supa.
So we're going to do.
So here's what we're going to do.
And you may never have to do this again in your life, but this is going to be an Uno reverse role reversal.
All of you have had some experience of some guy just giving you money, just cause, just because you're a woman, just here's some money.
So as a novelty for you, that you can be, you know, it's like a bucket list thing, you know?
It's like, I would never do this, but just so I can say I did it one time, here's what I want all of you to do, one at a time.
I want you guys to go.
Who here has cash on them?
I will accept coins.
I will accept foreign currency.
I also accept a Venmo and Cash App.
I want all of you, whether you have cash or not, I want you guys to send me money.
Okay.
I will.
And you can say one time.
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I sent for you, Brian, everyone.
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Yeah.
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You got to bring us our phone.
How much cash you got on you?
I have no idea.
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Okay.
Oh, that might be bad.
Everything.
That might be bad.
I'm going to drain you.
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Drain you.
You're going to be drained.
That's unfortunate.
Yeah, it's okay.
You're probably, you know, you make that in your sleep, probably.
You know, go to sleep, wake up.
Oh, I made $500 from my stuff.
So you have cash on you?
I think so.
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Who hell, you got Anya?
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I will.
I send over you every day.
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Where's the fucking trip?
Give me my phone.
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Okay, get her the phone.
So the one with the one with the sticker.
The anti-capitalist.
The sticker on it.
You're going to give me some money?
It's not just a pair of money.
It's a ferret.
Give me 20 bucks.
Hey, what about you?
You're going to give me a picture.
You know, I have some points.
I'm going to take a purple OF quarters.
Yeah.
I don't care you.
I'll take dimes and nickels.
I won't take pennies.
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In return, can we get some water?
Give me, hey, everything in there.
Don't fucking cheap out on me.
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Hey, check this out.
All right.
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But you fucking broke it.
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
Will you be able to see it when I've done my?
Yeah, I'll be able to shout it out.
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Whatever pod?
Not whatever podcast, whatever pod.
And this is a good time in the chat.
In the chat, send me some money.
You're going to send me money?
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You're going to send me money.
I ain't going to send your boy.
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No.
What's the last four?
Hey, Nick, tell them to knock it off back there.
Brian.
Hey, tell them to knock it off.
What's the last?
What's the last four of the phone number for it?
For confirmation.
I'm not saying that.
I have them on my finger.
She gave me, she wrote.
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It actually, it already.
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How much did you send?
The penny, the last penny.
25, 25, 25.
Oh, my God.
We got Anya.
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Who gave me this?
Give me water.
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All right.
I think we're going to have Leia, Leah, with the redemption arc.
Where is she?
She's getting out all her funds.
Venmo?
Where's the cash?
I want cash.
Can you catch me?
Okay, Venmo me.
Venmo me.
Can I get some money?
Hell no.
Let's redistribute that wealth, ladies.
Listen up, you communist.
Wait, you don't have to do it.
Why are you asking for money?
You're a communist.
Someone pays for my future.
She's going to redistribute it.
Somebody pays for my skin.
She's got fake lashes.
Look at that.
She didn't put anything into the system and just wants to take out of it.
Take, take, take.
That's all you guys do.
All you do is take.
Hey, either do.
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Figure this out.
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What's going on?
Men, women, who's fucked?
Abby, Abby P, $1 for Simpin.
You got to pump those numbers up.
Those are rookie numbers.
I don't know who Abby P is.
Thank you for the $1, though.
Appreciate it.
Every dollar adds up.
Seven of them is a latte.
All right, we're going to start talking about fascism in just a moment.
Can we get Hey what's going on back there Shit or get off the What is it Shit or the piss or get off the pot.
Hey, you know, come on.
What's going on?
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I need $100 every hour.
You think my tribute is expensive.
What about mine?
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Do you know?
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Pacey George, you're going to want to stay for this following segment because Leah, you sent me $2, Leah.
What the fuck?
Two fucking dollars?
This girl makes millions of dollars a year.
Two fucking dollars she sends me.
Oh, my goodness.
It was definitely not.
That's not even worth acknowledging.
I'm just deleting that shit.
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That's a good thing.
I don't have any cash.
I thought I had a movie.
Look at that full moon.
Can you guys see the moon?
Hey, look right there.
Wait, wait, wait.
Oh.
Right, the moon.
Right here.
You see that?
Oh, there she is.
Right there.
Nice.
Okay.
Full moon.
Or maybe it was yesterday, the full moon.
It's a wax.
Okay, anyways.
Let's talk about fascism, then we can get into dating.
So, isn't that quite a segue?
So you said, I believe, you think Donald Trump is a fascist.
I think it's leading towards fascism, yes.
Do you think Elon Musk is a fascist?
I mean, yeah, he's in the same boat as Trump.
What do you think?
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
I think that they could be connected to fascist ideology.
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Into the mic, please.
Do I think Donald Trump is a fascist?
I think this is the question, yeah.
Please don't ask me more questions about that.
I didn't study before this.
I didn't know I'd be grilled.
Do you think Elon Musk is a fascist?
I don't know if I think he's a fascist.
All right, so you two then who have a stronger position on this.
Let's define our terms.
What is fascism?
Starting with you.
Alt-right nationalist ideology that involves suppression of opposition, centralized government.
That's fascism?
Yeah.
Okay, how do you define fascism?
Nationalism is a trait of fascism.
It can be either left or right, technically.
I tried to look that up.
I didn't really understand how.
I agree with the general checklist of things that she said.
Yeah, authoritarianism.
Yeah.
Authoritarianism.
Yeah.
Okay, what is authoritarianism?
Whenever the government, whether it's a small group of people or a large group of people, has a significant and disproportionate amount of control over its people.
Wouldn't that be all governments?
You can make an argument for it.
The government has a disproportionate control over its populace.
Yeah.
As compared to the average citizen?
Or compared to what?
So when we're talking about disproportionate compared to what?
I guess what would be right or ethical for a government to do?
So how much control do you want the government to have over you?
Because we have like the United States where it has less control over what we do compared to Afghanistan, where women are, you know, forced to have hijabs on.
So we have less control in that or less control over us in that aspect.
But we do have, I would argue, an excessive amount of control over us because in a lot of states, women cannot get abortions.
We do not have access to all the things that we need.
We have to work in order.
Working is authoritarian?
Having to work is authoritarian?
You could make an argument for it.
Let's assume you were the only person alive.
Wouldn't you have to work?
Yes.
So which authoritarian, if there was no one else alive but you and you actually had to like, you know, you probably have to work in the sense of ensuring your survival.
Where is the authoritarian regime that is involved?
But there is the authority of survival.
Survival and the need to survive has authority over my decisions.
In this case, it's less of it is the need to survive because I still have the need to survive.
That's every human has that.
But it is the government and the capitalist systems that we have in place that force us to work in ways that are kind of separate or indirect from our survival.
So like me stripping, for example, it doesn't have anything to do with me growing my own food or building my own house.
That labor is not directly attached to my survival.
Okay.
Right?
We can make arguments for whatever.
It's authoritarian to have to work.
That's a new one.
So if Kamala Harris had won the election, you would be living in an authoritarian regime by virtue of you working a job.
You could make an argument for it.
Yeah.
Did you vote for Kamala in the election?
So you voted for an authoritarian.
I think that anything under capitalism could be argued for.
All capitalism is authoritarian.
Can you have a communist authoritarian government?
Yeah.
We, well, we haven't seen a full communist government, so I'm not 100% sure.
But what was communism in the Soviet Union or what was called communism in the Soviet Union was authoritarianism.
Talia, in your notes, or I think it was on your blue sky, you wrote, you will lose family and friends if their moles are shit.
One day, Trump will be in history books the same as Stalin or Mussolini.
Yes.
You put Trump as on the same level as Stalin.
See, I don't think he's there right now, but I think that's where we're headed.
Why?
Because he's mean?
No, because the way he rules is, you know, actively trying to harm and oppress people.
And I think it's going to go further and further because no one's putting limits on what he can and can't do.
He obviously doesn't have to follow the law, which has been made very clear to him.
So I don't think there's anything stopping him from doing exactly what they did.
How is he harming people?
Can you give an example?
Well, I've given you plenty of examples.
Your one example is immigration.
And everything he does against trans people shutting down the trans hotline, suicide hotline numbers.
Like, it's not like he's directly going out.
I can call the suicide hotline right now.
Okay, but they shut down the main trans suicide hotline number.
Call the regular one.
Are you serious?
Call the regular one.
But there's reasons that there's specialized resources for marginalized groups of people.
Oh, your experience is that their experiences aren't the same as yours.
Of course, but if it's that serious that you're about to off yourself, which I'm not a stranger to the situation, any resource will help.
I mean, I agree with that, but I think it's also important that we have specialized resources and shutting down those resources is harmful.
Why is it the taxpayer funding that has to do with that?
If a trans person is in a burning building, like it's burning, do you, you know, should we send the trans fire crew?
No, but I think that's a bad comparison.
Why?
Because people on suicide hotline numbers have specific training to help the people who are.
No, they don't.
No, they don't.
Yeah, I was going to say that.
No, they don't.
I honestly don't mind being getting away because they don't answer hospitals.
People who work at suicide hotlines tend to be pretty empathetic people.
I mean, I don't know.
Look, I've never called one, but I would assume that they are probably pretty empathetic.
I mean, I agree with that, but I also think that they can't necessarily relate to the experiences of LGBT people.
I can't even talk right now.
LGBT people, and that we need people who have a full understanding of what's going on for that.
So, should we wait?
Wait, one question on this.
Should we prevent or preclude trans people from working at the suicide hotline or the general suicide hotline because they can't relate to being straight?
I mean, but they have been straight.
They've experienced it in their lifetime.
Wait, so you're saying it's a choice.
Well, hold on.
What if somebody knew they were trans from like a very early age or whatever?
And they don't have the experience of going through puberty or, you know.
But there's not a problem that a cis person is going to have that a trans person can't understand.
There are for trans people that cis people can't understand.
I reject the premise, but uh, so I mean, okay, okay, so you don't think, like, what if I don't want to speak to somebody who's trans?
I mean, if I call the suicide hotline.
Then don't.
But you don't get a choice.
It's not transphobic.
But you do you.
Like.
That's not.
But if it's okay to create this carve-out where, well, trans people wouldn't feel comfortable not speaking to a trans person at this or trained in, I don't know.
But there's a history of why they don't feel comfortable speaking to these people.
It's the people who have marginalized them.
Marginalized.
Cis people aren't being marginalized by trans people.
You're saying all cis people have marginalized trans people?
No, but I'm saying that in general, it's not trans people marginalizing trans people.
Okay.
It's cis people doing it.
I'm not saying every single cis person gets guilty, but I'm saying as a whole, that's what has happened.
So how can a trans person simultaneously, like if they've been trans most of their life, how could they have the experience of me who's never been trans?
Well, a cis person isn't going to have specific things that someone who's trans can't understand.
You can't understand a trans person.
Like you haven't been through their situations.
Why would I need to be through it to understand it?
What?
Because there's that connection there between two people.
There's that unspoken understanding that you are not alone and that there is somebody else out there who is like you, who has maybe been through a similar person.
So you have to be that person.
Similar things.
Can you watch that?
I can't.
I'm not paying attention.
I don't watch it.
She's loud.
Okay.
All right.
Go ahead.
Where was I?
So you have to be that person in order to understand other people.
No, you don't.
But I'm sorry for my loudness.
That's just the way that I normally speak.
I'm not trying to be rude intentionally.
Again, I do have autism, so I'm also a little weird.
Just continue with your point.
Sometimes it's easier to feel understood and less alone when you're talking to someone who's had a similar experience.
When you've tried to be closer to the microphone, had a similar experience in life to you.
Then go to therapy.
And pick up.
Yes, that's also a good resource, but sometimes you need a resource like a hotline in a last-minute moment.
People who have therapists also call suicide hotline.
Hold on, let's get back to the central thing here.
We're talking about Trump.
We're talking about if he's a fascist or whatever.
I think we've lingered too long on the suicide, trans suicide hotline here.
So what was your central argument?
Oh, you were asking me why I think that he can be compared to Stalin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I think that he has unchecked power right now and he's not being held accountable for his actions, for his crimes.
And I think that there is nothing to stop him.
And I think he could very much do that.
Do you know there's a three branches of government?
I do.
That's the reason why we have them here.
He's not, but we also have a felon as our president, so he's obviously not being held accountable.
Yeah, I mean, look, that was complete lawfare.
Well, why don't you, since you're an expert in this, can you tell us what his felony convictions were for?
Were for, excuse me?
No, I can't.
You don't even know.
You don't even know.
It was some phony baloney lawfare nonsense.
Complete some financial stuff, whatever, total law.
But if felons can't vote, why should they be able to be president?
Wait, wait, wait.
So hold on.
So you're saying he wasn't violent, right?
I have no idea.
His convictions were not violent.
The convictions, the 34 felony convictions were because of his actions during his first presidential term.
And like you said, they were financial under his first presidential term.
They were things that he went through the impeachment.
He didn't get impeached, but he went through the impeachment process for.
So let's say hypothetically, let's say that we agree that he is guilty of those things, which I don't agree, but let's say he is.
You think he should be held accountable for those things, right?
Even though they're not violent.
Don't you think so?
An illegal immigrant should be held accountable for being illegal?
I think anything.
Any kind of illegal immigrant.
No, I think any kind of illegal immigrant should be held accountable.
No matter whether they're violent or not.
If you cross this border and you're illegal, you should be held accountable.
So why doesn't Trump have to be held accountable even though?
Because I don't agree with those 34 felonies.
So you don't agree with the judges and the court and the whole system?
Yeah, that was lawfare.
That was straight up law.
Your arguments are just very weak.
Very weak.
10 out of 10.
Solid.
It's unfortunate.
How is it hers very weak when you don't have substantial, like, good backup evidence?
Seriously?
Yes, I'm serious.
We talked about the evidence at the beginning of the episode.
She literally in my political science degree.
Oh, because you have a degree.
I don't have it.
Well, I do have to do.
What's your education?
What's your high school diploma?
Wow.
A high school diploma.
And even are we now going to credentialism?
Really?
We're in credentialism now?
We live in a meritocracy.
That's kind of how the world works.
At this table, we're going off of credentialism.
No, I'm just talking about the fallacies in your argument, in your arguments.
Okay, what's the fallacy?
What's the fallacy that I believe that illegal immigrants should be held accountable for their actions?
But not Trump.
because that was clear lawfare okay there are many there's a lot of evidence of agree to disagree on that genuinely what's lawfare I've never heard that term before.
Or is it like spelled like laissez-faire?
Is that that's not because that's more loose.
No, lawfare, it's essentially.
It's like if you, if you want to try to silence say, a political opponent, then you can basically do a phishing investigation and you can just try to look.
If you look into basically, if a prosecutor looks into basically any politician if they were so inclined or really even just a normal person off the street, the government can find.
If the government wants to, they'll find something to charge you with.
They'll they'll, they could look into you and find some crime to charge you with.
Maybe your taxes were all fucked up, maybe you oh, you did something a little fishy with your taxes or didn't report something.
Stripper uh yeah yeah you, maybe they'll find something.
So lawfare would basically be, you're looking at somebody and um, you know, there's all these crimes on the book, somebody.
You know you dig deep enough, you'll find something to charge somebody with.
And there, and the reason for it is not because of some, some seeking of true, genuine justice.
It's a political opponent and you want to attempt to silence them.
If you think he had so much on him, like there was actually anything violent or serious that he was doing, what do you think they would have gotten him on that and not please correct?
It was like a financial thing.
It was like, it was taxes, investment.
It was something along those lines.
Like he didn't pay the, he misreported.
I looked it up.
It was 34 counts for the same type of crime, falsifying business records.
Yeah, like they couldn't get him on anything else, so they went after bank documents.
The prosecution alleged Trump made or caused false, alleged false entries in business records.
I believe that's the 34 felonies.
I accidentally didn't sign the back of my IRS documents last year.
They sent him back.
Like, if I don't send it back within the next two weeks, that's tech.
I could get some kind of penalty on that.
Probably a felony.
Like, there we go.
Lock me up.
Now I'm a felon.
I mean, President Dylan has like a whole team.
Like, that's kind of pathetic in my opinion.
Handle your shit.
I think we should hold our presidents and political figures to a higher standard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
Hold him to a standard.
That's fine, but hold everybody to a standard.
But don't you think it's a okay.
You related, you think Trump will be in history books the same way Stalin is.
Yes.
So Trump was already in office for four years.
He's now been for his second term.
He's been in office for one year.
I mean, what?
I mean, I think we just have to wait and see.
Wait and see.
Look, he's been in office for a year.
People protest daily against Trump, face no repercussions, doesn't really seem like particularly authoritarian or fascist.
You don't think that deploying the National Guard and all that is fascist?
It's using your military against your people.
When people are burning down cities?
Do you think that there's been massive amounts of pro like suppression of protests?
Or have there been multiple No Kings Days protests that have happened and there wasn't them?
Yeah, were you suppressed?
No, but I have seen him.
The ones in LA have been.
Yeah, if you fucking go on the highway and block the highway.
By the way, you protesters are fucking insane.
You block emergency vehicles who are literally trying to bring people to the office.
I've never blocked anyone.
Yeah, you guys, you protesters, you go on the highway, you block roads.
It's completely ridiculous.
It's completely ridiculous.
The Democrat opposition has not been abolished.
He hasn't dismantled his opposing political parties.
And put Hillary in jail.
The left-wing media attacks him all the time.
CNN's still there.
MSNB, all these fucking left-wing media news outlets.
He hasn't suppressed any of them.
Go into any other country and do that.
So this, Donald Trump is a fascist.
I don't see it.
I don't see it.
How much time needs to pass before we can say, you guys were just wrong.
Just wrong.
I mean, hey, if when he leaves office, nothing has happened, you can tell me I'm wrong.
He left the first time.
He left.
I don't think there was an insurrection.
There was no insurrection.
What are you talking about?
They harmed literal police officers.
The only person that was killed was Ashley Babbitt, a Trump supporter.
They harmed literal police officers.
Yes, and I disagree.
If anybody actually harmed a police officer, if anybody threw a rock at a police officer, hit a police officer, put them in jail.
Yes.
But that was a walking tour through the Capitol.
Do you think what happened on, was it January 6th?
Do you think that that was worse than like the weeks or months long BLM protests?
I mean, I was too young to be paying attention during that time.
I remember.
Wait, too young?
Too young?
That was like 2016, right?
That was 2020.
George Floyd was in 2020.
Summer 2020.
Yeah, summer of 20 years ago.
Five years ago.
I mean, I don't know enough about that.
I'm not for honor.
Did you post that little black square?
No, I wasn't even into politics at the time.
I mean, but you must have been aware of the mass.
I didn't pay attention to the news and stuff at the time.
It was all over social media.
It's been a more recent thing.
You know what BLM stands for like.
I do know what BLM stands for.
Yeah.
Okay, we have this chat here.
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Okay.
So, okay, you think he's on the same level as Stalin?
I think he's going to have to kill probably like, you know, he's a couple million.
Well, I didn't say he did it yet, but I said that's where I think it's going.
Do you think in the next three years he's going to kill like 10 to 20 million people?
I think there is going to be mass casualties because of his actions, yes.
You think while Trump is in office, you think 10 to 20 million people are going to die?
I mean, I didn't say 10 to 20 million, but I think there will be mass casualties.
What defined mass casualties?
I can't give you a number.
It hasn't happened yet.
Over what?
What would the mass casualties be?
Immigrants and trans people, gay people.
Who knows who he's going to target?
What is he doing?
Wait, wait, do you think Trump is going to round up trans people and kill them?
As I said, I think it's like the start of Nazi.
Do you think it's a 50-50?
You think it's a 50-50 chance?
Yeah.
It's a coin flip that Donald Trump is going to round up the gays and transgenders and immigrants and just gas them and kill them.
I mean, I don't know about gas, but some.
He's the first president that was okay with gay marriage.
Wait, can you tell me?
Sorry.
He was the first president that was actually okay with gay marriage.
And he's also tried to make trans health care less accessible to children.
No, to adults.
Wait, wait, we have to address this here.
Taxpayer.
I think it's fair for people on the left, for Democrats, for liberals.
I assume you consider yourself a leftist.
I mean, I wouldn't say I'm a Democrat.
I'd say I'm further left than a Democrat.
Or leftist.
Yes.
Or progressive or whatever.
Look, I think it's fair for you to have your position on immigration.
But to actually believe that Donald Trump is going to round up trans people and gays and immigrants and merk them is ridiculous.
That's crazy talk.
Completely crazy.
Have family who was in Nazi Germany and they are.
That's not an argument.
Did they die of that?
Life starts the same way.
You're like, oh, it hasn't happened yet, so it's never going to happen.
You don't know that.
It all starts like this.
They didn't just start off by gassing all the Jews.
Okay, so you have family that's suggesting that.
It's actually, it's insulting to your own.
It should be insulting to your own.
I don't know what the right word is.
Like, it should be insulting to Jewish people for you to make a comparison of Hitler to Trump.
No, a lot of Jewish people I know agree with me.
Do we still have a wrong thing?
They're wrong.
But shouldn't it be insulting?
Like, whoa, the severity of what happened in Nazi Germany, right?
To compare relative, like, Trump is milquetoast, completely milquetoast.
He's completely different politically.
Because he's a populist, you can't.
How do you compare Trump to 1930s Germany?
That's because it starts the same.
They didn't just start with gassing the Jews.
It was a start.
It's a slippery slope fallacy.
You're turning people against immigrants, turning people against people who don't look like them.
Suppression of opposition.
Like, I am not against people that look like the two people that have been talking about right now.
So, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
Suppression of opposition.
So, first off, can you give me an example of how, aside from the Jimmy Kimmel thing, which was a complete blip on the radar, can you point to an actual suppression of opposition?
You just gave yourself one right there.
Well, I wouldn't even look.
That's irrelevant.
That first time.
That's a perfect example of it.
In the grand scheme of the case.
He still has his show.
Because people were pissed, but they tried to do it.
Then the suppression was a complete and total failure.
Yeah, it was a failure, but they tried.
And you said there's no checks and balances, except that was checked and balanced.
But wait, check and balance by the people.
Let me tell you this.
So then you would have to say, like, did you vote Democrat in 2020?
Yes.
You voted for Biden.
Yes.
She's a silver.
And then you voted for.
I'm not eating.
Hold on, hold on.
You voted for Biden in 2020, and you voted for Kamala in 2024.
Yes.
Okay.
So throughout the 2020s, there were massive amounts of suppression coming from the Biden administration.
As I said, I wouldn't consider myself a Democrat.
I don't agree with them either.
You voted, right?
You voted.
You voted in evil.
Okay, you voted in a president who had Nazi tendencies because they were suppressing oppositional political speech.
Yeah, I don't agree with them.
Wait, did you say you voted for them?
All right.
I voted for them because I think Trump is worse.
I would not, if we had another choice, I would go for the other choice.
You know, Hitler was also a vegetarian, I believe.
He also had a dog.
He also liked to paint.
He also breathed air.
So, like, Trump also breathes air.
Is, you know, is that your justification for his basically being Hitler?
No, and that's a dumb question.
I don't think it's a dumb question because it's just basically a slippery slope fallacy.
You're saying, well, it's there's similarities.
So I guess that's your question.
Just because we're enforcing law and it like, sorry, go ahead.
Continue.
No, continue.
Just because we're enforcing law and you're scared of the like one aspect of it immediately that's Hitlerian, Nazi-esque.
You're also judging somebody based off of something they never did.
You're saying based off of what they are currently doing.
Not arresting immigrants.
That's your one thing.
No, I've said plenty of other things that I disagree with.
Deporting immigrants, by the way, all previous administrations, Obama, Biden.
I never saw that.
It was worse.
You know, the cages were.
But if that's what that's evidence.
But it's ramped up to.
Obama deported the fucked up.
But have you not like had seen how much violence they're putting out right now?
Like they've ramped it up.
Sure.
Sure.
And I don't agree with Obama.
I don't agree with all of them.
I'm not a Democrat.
Those aren't my values.
But it seems like people are only up in arms now because I think it's getting worse.
Because Orange Man bad.
They just don't like him.
No, I think it's just gotten worse.
If you heard speeches from Obama in the 2010s or Clinton back in the 90s, even Hillary Clinton, I mean, she didn't win the election, but when she was running, they were very, very like there was, I think, a speech from Obama even where he was pretty strong on deportation and pretty strong on, you know, against illegal immigration.
So, I mean, it just seems like, look, he's the opposition leader.
And, you know, even though that this is something that was happening in previous administrations, only now that it's the opposition, now it's a problem.
Orange man bad.
Just because the level that it's gotten to, it's gotten so much worse.
I disagreed with it then.
I disagree with it.
It's not worse.
He's deporting less people than Obama did.
What does it have to do with it?
Have you seen all the ICE vehicles patrolling around?
Do you go outside?
Do you have to do it?
Yes, I love it.
I think this is what happens when you look at everything through an emotional lens.
They've committed a crime.
Why is it disgusting?
Because she said she loves that they're getting rounded up.
Because they're criminals.
But you're just like out there, like, oh, yes, please get all the brown people.
Please get them.
Who's so the brown people?
Exactly.
You've been going to the people.
The brown brown people?
Excuse me.
Just because they're brown, they're illegal.
That's pretty racist.
You agree on that.
There's white.
You are insufferable.
She's from Russia.
That's not brown.
I mean, that's that.
That doesn't have free.
Let's have this.
Let's have it.
And just remember that not everybody at this table is neurotypical.
So the Supreme Court recently ruled that skin color, language, and workplace were valid reason or concern to deport or detain somebody on the, you know, in the search for detainees.
So based on skin color, based on the language that they're speaking, based on the type of job that they have.
So it's not just rounding up brown people.
I have a more pale immigrant friend.
It was actually, she was Swiss, I believe.
Her parent, her mom was Swiss, and they were going after her and her, you know, less legitimate paperwork and, you know, being concerned about that.
So overall, it is not just limited to brown people, but the Supreme Court ruling that opens it up on the basis of skin color is unjust.
And I think that's a stronger argument than I'm fine with that, actually.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm fine with saying, you know, there shouldn't be what is the term called in policing?
Racial profiling?
Sure.
That's wrong.
Let's go ahead and just go ahead and grant that's wrong.
Now, once they've made the determination, though, that somebody happens to be, whether they're white, whether they're brown, whatever it is, that they have come to a determination that the person is an illegal immigrant.
Shall we go ahead and deport them since they are here illegally?
We can deport them as long as it does not fall under cruel and unusual punishment.
The Constitution protects all people, not just American citizens, against cruel and unusual punishment.
So if deporting somebody cruel and unusual.
That would take an ethical analysis.
That would take.
It's not.
Are you an ethical analyst?
Yes, I am actually.
Thank you for asking.
And under my ethical purview, no, deporting somebody is not cruel, and it's certainly not unusual.
In order to do it.
All countries, all countries do it.
It's all the world.
It's not unusual.
So, how would it be?
You tell me how it's unusual.
Cruel and unusual.
So, unusual.
You're right.
It's not very unusual.
France is really big on it, I believe, on deportation.
They are particular.
I don't know about that, but France is the citizen.
Anyways, that's besides the point.
It's not uncommon for countries to deport illegal immigrants.
So, how is it cruel then?
Cruel?
Does it hurt their feelings?
No, if we're putting people in unsafe conditions, that is cruel.
I agree with you.
They should not be in unsafe conditions.
Now, assuming that we put them in safe conditions, can we go ahead and deport them?
Are we deporting them to a safe place?
Yeah.
Okay, if we're deporting them to a safe place, then that is not cruel.
Well, what's your okay?
So, I'm guessing your main gripe here is going to be Seacot, right?
A lot of my research has surrounded alligator Alcatraz.
I think it got shut down, so isn't the point kind of thing?
I don't know if it got shot down.
I don't think it got shut down.
I thought it got shut down.
I'm not sure.
Is it still going?
I haven't seen it.
Here, I have to let this chat.
This message from the government of Canada.
Oh, is it?
Fallen underscore donated to $50 and forced to see.
Is this fucking pasty?
Let me speak more plainly.
As Nick Fuente said, the Juice-run society.
Women need to shut the frack up.
Oh.
Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.
Yikes.
Well, that's what Nick Fuent is.
We still need female.
I don't think we're going to agree with that specific thing.
But.
And that's the thing, is bigotry is running rampant.
People like that are.
You're right.
Anti-male rhetoric from feminists is running rampant.
It's disgusting.
I didn't say that was bigotry.
Oh, you don't think that that's bigotry?
Yeah, because you're a misandrist.
A little bit.
Yeah, all right.
We see.
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, right?
We haven't even talked about that yet.
We can get into that.
Let's do it.
Well, I mean, what about can you be racist towards white people?
Ooh, we've talked about that before.
It's been a while.
Don't think so.
Yeah, it's been like two years almost.
What do you think?
Can you be are we missing a chair?
Can we get her what's going on back there?
What's my opinion is that to be racist, there has to be a history of oppression towards that people.
Like the reason that being racist towards a black person is racist is because there's a history of white people oppressing black people.
I don't think there's a history of white people being oppressed in America.
Okay, so would you acknowledge that there's different types of racism?
Yeah.
So what are those types from your perspective?
I don't know names of types.
Of course not.
Here, can we get that fixed, please?
God damn, holy fuck, you guys making it worse.
God damn.
All right.
But no, I don't think he can be racist towards white people because there's no history of oppression for white people.
So are you talking?
So let me ask you this.
If a white person were to walk up to a black person, how complicated is this procedure?
It's okay.
If a white person were to walk up to a black person and punch that black person in the face because they're black, would you say that that's racist?
Yeah.
Okay, now let's reverse it.
A black person walks up to a white person and punches them in the face because they're white.
Is that racist?
I don't think it can be the actual definition of racist because there's no history of I mean what's the definition?
What's your being hateful towards someone, but I think for actual racism, there has to be a history of oppression towards those people.
So your definition of racism is it prejudice plus power?
Yeah.
Yeah, you do realize that this is a new, newly manufactured definition of racism that is not commonly understood, like in just the common sense understanding of racism.
I don't know about that.
I think that it's a pretty common understanding of racism.
I'll Google the definition of racism, just so I'm not like pulling one out my own definition.
So, hold on.
Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.
So, it doesn't mention anything about historical oppression there.
But as you said, there is definitions that do include that.
Well, not so much definitions, but you know, there's I believe there's individualized racism, and then there's this systemic racism.
So, have white people never been oppressed?
Not in America, no.
Wait, what?
So, we're only talking about America.
In America, you think white people have been oppressed?
Yes.
There have been when have they ever been oppressed?
No, but like maybe not slavery.
It depends on the tribe.
I mean, Ashkenazi people are white pass eaters.
They're Jewish, right?
Yeah, they're still oppressed.
I'm a white person.
Guys, guys, guys.
Hold on.
One person at a time.
So, okay.
I don't think I'm oppressed in America.
Jewish people were white people.
Yeah.
Jewish people were clearly oppressed.
We're not talking about there, though.
I'm talking about in America because each place has different people that they've oppressed.
Like, it's not always the same race as getting oppressed throughout different countries.
Yeah, white people.
Okay, do you think the Irish are white?
I mean, yeah, they're white skin.
They're Italians white.
Italians.
I don't know.
They're white.
So Irish and Italian immigrants here definitely faced oppression.
Absolutely faced oppression.
But I'm not really interested in the systemic level here.
I'm asking you, even on an individual level, there's individual racism.
And I asked you, if a black person punches a white person or kills them, for example, because they're white, you say, no, that's not racism.
Well, if we're not going off systemic racism, I guess it would be like a hate crime.
But why is it the case that if on an individual level, a white person walks up to a black person, punches them in the face, you say that's racist.
That's not systemic racism.
Systemic racism would be like an institution barring black people from being in the institution, right?
So I'm talking on the individual level of racism where a black person walks up to a white person, punches them in the face.
You say that's not racism.
I don't think it's racism.
What would it be then?
Punching a person in the face.
You said it's a hate crime.
I mean, yeah, it's being hateful.
I don't think it's actually racist, though.
Okay.
By definition, it would be.
So wait, hold on.
Your definition is prejudice plus power.
Is that correct?
I mean, yeah.
Or, well, that's what I asked you if it was, but is that your definition?
It's being oppressed.
You know, you.
So in order to.
Yeah.
You're saying you need to have your group needs to have power in society.
And only then, even on an individual level, you can be racist to somebody on an individual level.
I think for the most part, yes.
Can black people be racist towards Asian people?
Yes.
But Asian people have a pretty good socioeconomic position in the United States.
I mean, they still face depression.
Which which group of Asian people?
All Asian people?
I think anyone who's not white faces judgment and oppression.
So just anyone contradictory to what you said before.
I'm a bit confused, though.
So what if you're a first-generation immigrant and you just came here five years ago?
Do you think the United States is currently systemically oppressive to Filipinos?
I don't know. I don't. I'm not.
About any Asian country, do you think the United States is currently actively systemically oppressive?
Systemically, no.
Towards any...
I think personally there is personal racism towards Asian people.
Like, there's going to be people who are.
Not from black people, though.
Or would it be from black people?
I don't know.
I'm honestly lost at this point.
I'm going to be so for real with you.
But I feel like I'm going in circles.
How about this?
If Barack Obama, when he was president, refused to hire white janitors at the White House, would this be evidence of systemic oppression?
I mean, I don't think so.
So just to be clear, your definition of oppression, or sorry, racism.
Because there's not a history of it in society.
It has to be a history of it.
It has to be a pattern.
It's not just a one-off thing.
It's a long-term sustained oppression.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much ground we're going to actually be able to get because your definition is completely ridiculous and not widely accepted.
So this is, I think, a thing where you basically just redefine the terms of the conversation to suit your worldview so that you basically can never be.
You're just redefining the public.
I mean, that's what I've learned and I've been taught.
So that's what I'm going to do.
Who taught you?
My education, my schooling.
That is.
High school.
Did you learn it in high school?
No, college.
In college, yeah.
We should completely get rid of college subsidies.
This is ridiculous that we're teaching college students that a black person can't be racist to a white person or a white person can never experience racism in the United States.
How about this, though?
If I go to Africa, where I, let's say I go to Nigeria or Kenya, and I don't know, a black person in Kenya beats me up because I'm white.
Have I experienced racism then?
Because you're not the person in power.
You're not.
Just seems like such an arbitrary, totally arbitrary.
Okay, so I can't.
So if I go to a country where white people aren't the majority, I can face racism there.
Yeah.
So if I go to China, I can face racism.
Yeah, probably.
Okay, so I don't know why we need to muddy the waters with these like retooled definitions of racism.
It just seems kind of pointless and silly.
But so you're saying white people can't experience racism in the United States?
Not yet.
Not in.
But they can experience it in other countries.
Yes, if they are not the majority.
Okay.
All right, that's a bit of...
Just because you haven't, like, experienced it, that doesn't mean, like, it happens.
Like it's like a regular thing.
Like it's personal.
Like it's not like a poor is like a majority.
It's personal though.
You see a bunch of people going up and calling white people slurs because they're white?
Because I've never once seen that in my life or heard of it.
Just because you live in like a white.
There was a guy who literally got killed.
We have a Trumper here and got literally murdered.
What happened?
Portland?
Well, no, we had a woman who was on like the subway or something.
Irina Zaruska.
Yeah, she sat in front of a black guy and the black guy.
Wasn't he having a mental health crisis?
And then he said, I got that white girl.
I got that white girl.
But it wasn't because she was white.
It's because he was having a mental health issue.
It's interesting how you can be charitable when the narrative doesn't suit you.
If somebody was having like a conservative was having a mental health crisis and they like murked a person murked a POC, you'd be like, oh my God, this is clear-cut evidence of like right-wing extremism.
I wouldn't.
If they were having a mental health crisis, I would say the same thing.
So that's okay if they're having a mental health crisis.
It's not okay.
It doesn't make it right, but that's not, they're not doing it because of the race.
They're doing it because they're having a mental health crisis.
Do we actually have any evidence?
I mean, so, okay, can we?
They said that that's like, couldn't we just like hand wave away any sort of I think anybody who's inclined towards murder, couldn't we just say everyone is going through a bit of a mental health crisis?
I mean, I'm pretty sure he was in a full psychotic episode from what they reported and his history, what his people who knew him said after they released him for the 13th time.
Yeah, which I don't agree with either because people had said that he was in danger because of his mental health.
But he literally said, I got that white girl.
There were other black people.
He said American was white.
Wait, wait, wait.
Yeah.
Did you say it's a white girl?
That's not because she was a girl.
It's just an observation.
Do you think if she was black, do you think she would have been murdered?
Probably.
You think so?
Yeah.
I think it was just who was around him when he was having his issues.
Well, no, because there was a lot of people.
It was a time of opportunity.
There is a black woman there too.
I don't know who's because of her race.
Well, I think we can be willing to grant that he was going through a mental health crisis, but I do think it's the case if she was a black woman, probably wouldn't have killed her.
I disagree with that.
Well, I guess there's no way to know for sure, but okay, so wait, hold on.
We got the racism.
Okay.
Can't be racist towards white people.
I think it started, you were saying you can't be sexist towards men or something.
We got into you being a misandrist.
Yeah, I don't know if I would actually classify myself as a misandrist because, like, I've tried my best to establish, I really do aim for peace and joy and bliss for everybody.
Yeah.
At the end of the day, I don't really, and I have a lot of men that I, I have all of two or three men that I love dearly.
I don't think that women can be sexist to men because there could be.
Can a white woman be sexist towards a black man?
I think that she can be, what is it called?
She can fetishize him.
Yeah, there's a fetishization of black men by white women.
You should look into it.
It's pretty interesting.
Well, who's more oppressed?
Black men or white women?
That is a wonderful question.
A lot of people actually describe it as a diamond.
So like white men at the top here, white women here, black men here, and then black women at the bottom.
You're saying, hold on.
Historically, from a historical standard, well, even modern day, I would make the case.
You think that white women had it worse than black men?
No, I wouldn't say that.
No.
So black men had it worse.
So on your stupid diamond or whatever.
It's not my diamond.
Wouldn't black men have to be here, white women here?
Well, can you make the argument for either one?
Because black men, yeah, black men, slaves, got the right to vote before any woman did.
That's a bit dubious, I think.
That it's true because the amendments came in a certain order, I guess.
That part is true, but obviously women, white women specifically, will make that specific distinction, white women versus black men.
Were white women ever slaves in this country?
Technically, no, not in the same way that black men or black people were.
Yeah.
So I don't know if not Having voting rights a few years earlier than women.
That's what I was about to say.
Although there's, I think there's some dispute as to like in practice, a lot of black people actually didn't have quite as much access to the right to vote until like later periods of time.
That's true, like the 60s.
So whereas women had, what's the word for it?
Women had.
Suffrage or no?
No, there's another word for it.
Enfranchisement.
Or disenfranchisement.
Like practically speaking, white women had, from a practical perspective, enfranchisement more than black men did.
Yeah, probably.
Probably.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm just pulling that shit out.
I don't know.
I would say that that's more than likely the case.
Do you believe that all people have the right to vote?
Yes.
Okay.
I just wanted to know what standpoint we were coming at that from.
Yeah, if they're living in a country, they should be able to vote for what happens in their country and community.
Okay.
I don't understand, though, how a woman can't be sexist towards a man.
I don't see how that makes sense.
Well, I think that it's kind of similar in the way to the way that a white person can't be racist to a black person.
It's punching up versus punching down.
So once again, it comes with a redefining of the term racism, the term sexism.
Yeah.
Which is, I don't want to use language.
It's extra work, in my opinion.
That's what debate is: thought and thinking and analyzing yourself.
Sounds like a lot of work.
Yeah, but okay, check this out.
If I just redefine, so I want to redefine necrophilia as I define necrophilia as anybody named your name's Caitlin.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Nice to meet you, Brian.
Okay.
I redefine necrophilia.
Anybody who's named Caitlin's is a necrophiliac.
Well, then the definition's fucking useless.
Exactly.
But it would serve me massively to be able to label you as a necrophiliac.
Yes.
Like that would be really like that would be like an optics win to be like, I'm fucking dunking on this person who like fucks corpses and shit.
Well, no, because I'm a necrophiliac because my name is Caitlin, not because I fuck corpses at that point.
Yeah, but people's understanding of the term necrophilia is something besides that.
Well, if we're establishing your definition here, and then you use that my name to define me as a necrophiliac.
Yeah, but if you've if you've butchered the definition of racism so much that it basically it only suits your worldview, then it basically just means nothing.
That's what I'm trying to point out.
You said that this the racism sexism thing, it's like you can't be racist towards men, you can't be racist towards white people.
It's because you've completely changed this definition to have to incorporate some sort of historical oppression.
I don't see like that's never been the standard for what racism is.
And if you ask most people, that's not what it is.
This is a new invention by woke people like you who want to butcher language.
I really would rather not butcher language.
But you're right.
You're right that it's arbitrary and it's not super strong to shift the semantics around just because of the historical context.
You're not wrong about that.
Butcher language like Nazis and fascists.
Y'all are quoting the wrong person.
I was going to ask, were you pointing at me or her?
Oh, okay.
Where were the leftists?
Okay, so I was actually going to ask, because it seems like you might disagree with her opinion on you.
Okay.
Because it seems like you disagree with her on it.
Yeah, I do disagree.
I disagree with her arguments.
I understand.
I think we all see where she's coming from.
That's what I'm saying.
Never to.
I don't see it.
I want to make sure we're not arguing with somebody over something you don't even believe in.
I don't agree.
Yeah, which is right.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't disagree with what I'm saying.
You can think that all you want.
You're wrong.
Where's your education from?
Credentials.
Oh, I dropped out of college.
Yeah.
Why?
Backstory, let's drop some more on Brian.
That'll be for another day.
That'll be for another day.
But yeah, college is kind of a waste of time.
But for me, anyway.
I agree.
Here, I want to.
I don't know if this is pasty.
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Message from the government of Canada.
I'll play it now.
Fallen underscore deniers.
Can we boost four cents?
One question.
Is it sexist for women to cross the streets at night to avoid men?
Why is the same not true for white people to cross the street to avoid black people?
Is it not avoiding violence?
Do you want to answer that?
That is a surprisingly okay question.
And I can see where you're coming from there.
Both are for safety.
The purpose behind both of those actions is for safety.
Now, the white person crossing the street, their lack of a sense of safety is coming from things like scapegoating and propaganda that they've been falling victim to.
Women crossing the street for safety is coming from either their personal lived experience or the lived experience of women around them.
Yeah, I mean, let me say.
Hold on, let me set this up.
So, okay, you're basically saying justified for women to cross the street because they've had their own bad experiences with men, and then they've heard bad experiences with other women, and maybe they can look at crime statistics, and those crime statistics will actually show that men do perpetrate some crimes more often or at a disproportionate rate.
90% of violent crimes are committed by men, at least 90%.
I would have to look at it.
I'd probably dispute it a little bit.
What's the other statistic?
But what's the other statistic?
But essentially, so is this your position?
Okay.
It's okay for women to have fear or to cross the street because their own personal bad experiences and crime statistics.
Is that your standard?
Yes.
Great.
Okay.
What's stopping a white person who's had a bad experience with a black person and then pointing to crime statistics, which do seem to indicate that black people per capita commit certain violent crimes more often than white people?
What's preventing them, which, by the way, just to be clear, I don't think that I think racism is wrong.
I think racism is bad.
We should judge people at an individual level.
I agree.
But from your perspective, your frame, your lens, what would actually be wrong with a white person from arriving at a basically a racist position?
Nothing.
There's nothing wrong with it, for a white person being racist against black people.
There is.
Answer the question.
I just did.
Okay, but I was going to answer it first.
Wait, so there's nothing wrong with white people being racist if they meet your two criteria.
They had a bad experience with a black person, and they can show you crime statistics that show that black people commit certain crimes more often than white people.
I'm saying that it is justifiable for white people, people in general, to act in a way that they feel protects their safety to a certain extent.
Now, the reasoning behind that can be either logical and, well, regardless within this argument, it's fear-based.
It's fear-based.
Now, does that mean it's right or wrong?
Yeah, for both.
Does that mean it's right or wrong?
Not necessarily.
Not all these men that I'm avoiding in the street are going to be bad and murderous.
But does that make it unethical for me to cross the street?
No, it just makes me put my safety first.
And a white person, like I said, they're coming from two different standpoints.
White, like the percentages and statistics are different from men, you know, white men, you know, being afraid of men versus being afraid of white people in general.
Or I'm sorry, being afraid of black people.
I mean, you wouldn't say that.
You'd basically just have to make the same exact logical allowance, though.
So if you, if the allowance for women is you had a bad experience with a man or multiple men, you have your own anecdotal, your own experience.
You could even include in that you had a friend or multiple friends who've had bad experiences with men.
And then the other thing is, you can be like, well, it's not just my own experience.
Here are these crime statistics.
Yeah.
Logically, you would have to make an allowance, the same allowance for white people as it relates to race.
And you'd have to make the same allowance.
I just said that.
Okay.
Well, why ask me the same question?
Okay, well, if you're fine with that, that's obviously I oppose racism.
Hopefully.
Did you oppose sexism, though?
Yes.
Not against men, because you don't believe that women can be sexist towards men.
Honestly, you're right.
I'm going to concede with that.
I think that the way that I picture it is more on a systemic level, but you're right.
On the individual level, I will say that men, women can be sexist against them.
Okay.
Anya, I'm going to have you read these two chats.
Scott Bessant, a man, the Secretary of Treasury, was appointed by Trump, who literally has a husband.
Trump is just as woke as the left.
I agree.
Plus, communists will never understand humans are inherently evil.
I don't think Trump cares.
Literally.
Brian, you need to watch the interview of ex-KGB Yuri Besminoff with your panel right now.
He describes the BS that chair number two is spewing.
It will clear up all this.
Sorry, it will clear up this stupid round and round you are having.
I think I've seen that a long time ago.
I'm familiar with the interview you're referencing.
I mean, so much of discourse with like leftists or progressives is basically them just not like intentionally misunderstanding you.
So you basically can't have a conversation.
But okay, let's move it on to this.
I guess I'm chopped over.
Charlie Kirk, or pretending to not understand what you're talking about or whatever.
Really quick, because I recall while I was away, Charlie Kirk came up.
Really quick question.
I know it was a while ago at this point, but what do you think about what happened to Charlie?
I think that we should have stricter gun protections to prevent things like that.
But why the hesitation?
I'm just, there seems to be a bit, I detect the hesitation.
I don't like what he, I don't like the rhetoric that he spread.
I think that's fine to disagree with Charlie Kirk, but it seems like you're holding back a little bit on something.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah.
What are you holding back on?
I wasn't sad about it.
Well, I don't think that there's an obligation for people who dislike somebody to mourn that person if something happens.
So true.
But I think that's still not quite getting at maybe how you really feel.
Were you glad?
Honestly, I can answer that truthfully and say no, because like.
Did you rejoice?
I giggled a little bit at the video.
I giggled.
Oh, what?
You're the bulwark.
I don't know if, is that my saying that?
You're the bulwark of like moral, like you giggled when somebody was assassinated.
Okay.
You want good rights and you want everyone to be like.
Yeah.
Well, here, what's going on with the chair?
Is she coming back?
Okay.
Well, before we get into that, what are your thoughts?
I don't agree with killing someone ever.
But do you think maybe you wouldn't do it, but can you understand, like, do you think it was justified?
No, I don't think it was justified.
Okay.
I could see what thought process would lead someone to that, but I don't agree with it whatsoever.
I don't know.
Sure, sure.
Do you think people rejoicing in his death, do you think that's justified?
Once again, I can see why, but I don't agree with it.
Can see why.
Okay.
All right.
i don't know you you were probably you you're celebrating it seems like I didn't celebrate.
You were happy.
You were happy.
Charlie Pardy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, look, there's people I strongly disagree with, but I wouldn't want any, like, anybody to be.
Like, for example, Kamala Harris.
Like, that would be fucking terrible if she had been assassinated or something.
Like, I wouldn't make jokes about it.
I wouldn't be rejoicing.
That would be fucking bad.
What's the right word for it?
It creates, oh my God, I'm blanking.
It's the ideology of it's okay to punch Nazis.
So once you start labeling everyone a Nazi, it's okay to punch Nazis because.
Well, I think you can punch Nazis, but I wouldn't just shoot someone in the neck for their opinion.
Well, it's that idea.
I'm generalizing it, but it's that ideology where.
Why haven't you punched Anya?
Would you kill Hitler if you got the chance?
Now, like, knowing all that he did, that's a big, like.
Oh, no, would you kill baby Hitler?
If I knew.
When?
Do you think Hitler's are made or before Hitler?
What do you mean?
Like, what?
I would get him into that art school.
When he's baby, 11.59 p.m. I don't know what time.
Well, as soon as he became, I mean, there's certainly, I don't think there would be any dispute.
As soon as he would, Germany became a belligerent nation against the United States.
Yeah, you could like teleport and kill Hitler.
Yeah, that'd be totally fine.
Yeah, I think so.
There could even be some argument for, you know, at some point even prior, certainly a point prior to that, but baby Hitler, I don't know.
I actually just stab baby Hitler.
It's like one for seven, eight million.
Oh no, would you stab baby Trump?
I'm still stuck on the fact that you preached peace and you said you giggled when a man got shot.
No, it's very, I'm not going to say I'm like the most morally best or whatever, but you were probably posting memes.
I bet you were posting me.
No, I didn't.
I don't want the government to come after me.
It's okay.
There are certain people that you just don't debate with because they don't come to debates with good faith.
If you're not okay with saying that that is something disgusting and that a mother and her two children now have to live without a dad that got brutally murdered in front of his whole country.
I'm sorry, dude, but we're not arguing in good faith.
The left is more violent, honestly.
They are.
Who is she talking to?
I don't know, but you, don't you, haven't you heard Anya say some really some things you really disagree with?
I've heard her say things I agree with and things I disagree with.
Yeah.
Why haven't you punched her yet?
Because she's not harming me.
We had this talk when you were talking about the title.
She wants to support.
She wants to disagree with you.
We had this conversation.
Yeah, yeah.
I think if you're not actively harming someone, I'm winning, but if you're actively harming someone.
How about this?
Let me bring it back for a moment to dating.
Would you date Luigi Mangione?
Oh, yeah.
Closer to the mic?
Yes.
Would you date Luigi Mangione?
I have a boyfriend.
If you were single.
If you're single.
Hypothetical.
I don't know.
Probably not.
Going around the table.
Knowing what he did now.
Hell no.
Can you check one of you check on the girl?
I want to say yes, but I feel like I should say no.
Do you know who he is?
Yes, I know who he is.
The guy who killed the I know it was wrong.
It was wrong.
Wait, why'd you say yes?
Because he's hot.
No, I'm not shallow.
Let me go a picture.
But yes, you would date him.
I just.
Okay, what about you?
No.
No?
No.
But is he 6'5, Chad, well, Maxilla on point?
Are we looking at the city?
Wait, so did you say yes?
I said, probably not.
Probably not.
But how about then what he did?
Thumbs up?
I don't think it was the right way to handle it, but I mean, I'm also not going to cry over a CEO who denies people health insurance getting shot.
I shed no tears, but I know you don't agree with it.
You think he's sitting there going through each claim and saying no, yes, no, yes.
But I mean, he built a system that is doing that to people.
The system was pre-existing.
But they have the highest rate of denying people things that they need.
He had the power.
That CEO has the power to make the situation better.
And he's instead using the power to make that situation worse.
Luigi, he stood on business.
And I like a man that can protect and provide.
Do you not realize that he had to please the investors?
Because a lot of investors, like, they want to save a lot of money to do it.
He was wealthy and elderly.
I think it's fair to be critical of the healthcare system and the health insurance system in the United States.
That's totally valid.
I have criticisms of the healthcare system and the health insurance system in the United States.
There's a lot of problems with it.
However, vigilanteism and just fucking murking a CEO in the street, completely incompatible with civilized society.
Completely incompatible.
And you guys, you guys are fucking, bro, you guys should not be.
We should just, honestly, you're a citizen, but we should deport you.
Trying to change my answer.
I think we deport both of you.
You guys, we're going to send y'all.
I don't know.
We'll deport you somewhere.
Send me to Sweden, please.
I'm going to deport you to Venezuela.
How about that?
Do you think it's okay if I government?
I'm not saying I'm doing this, but if I went and pulled a Luigi Mangione on whoever the CEO of Planned Parenthood is.
No, I said I don't believe in shooting anyone.
Okay.
I'm sorry, what was your name?
Caitlin.
No, the, well, I haven't done as thorough of analysis.
And also, I am not God.
I don't make the decision of what is right or wrong.
There are things that I think are more ethically justifiable than not.
I think that killing the CEO of Planned Parenthood would be less ethical, I guess.
I would say than killing the healthcare CEO.
I don't know.
Planned Parenthood has killed millions and millions of babies over the years.
Margaret Thanger.
Sorry, Margaret Sanger.
She was literally a recorded eugenicist.
Obviously, it's not Margaret Sanger now, but it would be a different CEO, but they're still participating in that situation.
Like how the United Healthcare CEO was not the founder of healthcare, but he still is participating in that situation.
Yeah.
Yeah, I did see about The founder of Planned Parenthood having some less than ethical choices and lifestyle and ideologies.
And I obviously try my best not to agree with that.
However, abortion is an important procedure that we got to maintain access to.
As you can make a moral or philosophical argument, but if we're going to take it down to what can be quantified, what can be scientifically understood, then it is more ideal.
No, it is necessary to have access to access to abortions because it prevents domestic violence.
It prevents sorry, excuse me.
So we're saying that men become violent because their women have children?
No.
Shouldn't we then go after the men, not the babies that are the innocent victims?
We should go after the men, absolutely.
Yeah, the men that are domestic abusers?
Sure.
Okay.
Why else should we keep abortion?
To prevent back alley abortions.
Abortion's going to happen either way.
It's been going on since before abortion was legal.
It's important that we have a safe way for women to do it.
Okay, but if that was the argument years ago, now women have it for any reason.
They have it all the way up to nine months in certain states.
No, they don't.
That's a lot.
Unless it's medically necessary to prevent the death of a woman, it's almost never.
You're never going to abortion to a woman that late.
It's almost never necessary.
You can post a lot of people.
And look at law and hat.
It doesn't.
It actually does.
It really does.
A lot of them are actually only 1% or under 1% of abortions are actually done for cases of our ancestors.
I mean, all that stuff.
99% of them are elected.
I'll take a final thought on this, but I'll table the abortion topic for later, I guess.
It's okay.
I'll shelve it.
Shout out to Shelby.
Claim donated $200.
Lower the volume.
I don't have the energy for this panel tonight.
What a terrible person to laugh at the death of a person who encouraged conversation.
You had the energy to send $200 to the best.
You are a terrible person.
I'm so sorry.
Yo, Clay, good to see you, man.
Good to see you.
Thank you for your message.
It's not like I just came out about it willingly.
He like probed it out of me real seriously.
She did try to be polite.
I did.
I knew.
I mean, it's like a 30 times you asked me the question.
Because I knew your reaction was.
I mean, your face revealed.
It's true.
I can't help that I'm expressive, okay?
You're expressive over a man being assassinated.
There's a lot of things to express.
Are you able to disavow it?
Just curious.
Would you disavow?
Disavow like the assassination.
Like, is it wrong?
Yes.
I already said that, but yes.
But you were happy.
It's wrong, but you were happy.
I wasn't happy about it.
I just don't like the guy.
And I thought, I just really think he's a bad person.
And he's done a lot of fucked up shit.
So, but, but, okay, so the issue here is that when we go down that rabbit hole, what's stopping your opposition from being like, you know what?
These people do a lot of bad shit.
These people are aborting millions of children, et cetera, et cetera.
We're just talking about abortion.
What's stopping your opposition, like you said, right?
Yeah, opposition.
From just being like, you know what?
We're not going to do diplomacy.
We're not going to do politics.
We'll just, we're going to just do this with force and violence.
And realistically, if there was some sort of civil war between the right and the left, who do you guys genuinely think in a hypothetical scenario where the political right and the political left actually went to a violent conflict?
Who do you think's winning that one?
The ones with guns.
Which is typically which side?
The right.
Great.
I'm so far left that we got to get our guns.
Yeah, that's true.
Horseshoe theory.
I'm not really anti-gun.
That might be the case for, of course, there are people on the left who possess firearms.
But do you think, like, in totality, do you think people, like, do you think it's Republicans or Democrats who own more firearms?
Probably Republicans.
Okay, you think it's conservatives or liberals who own more firearms?
And who are, there's probably more men on the right.
And of the men who are on the right, they're probably like, look, you guys got a lot of soy boys is what I'm saying.
Look, I'm not saying I'm some fucking behemoth fucking juggernaut.
Look, hey, there's dudes on the left who are going to fuck me up.
Okay, look, I don't have any suspicions.
Not suspicion.
What the fuck?
I'm not delusional.
But overall, yeah, man, y'all going to get fucked up.
Maybe.
Just saying.
If it were to happen, if it were to happen, y'all get fucked up.
I would hate for it to be the right and the left in the civil world.
Civil war.
But we're bigger people.
We're the bigger people here.
You know, the right, people on the right.
the bigger people.
You guys can have your...
Because of the Big Macs?
You guys can have your riots.
You guys have your little riots and your protests and all this stuff and your violence.
And, you know, just, you know, hey, you guys have that.
But we'll be here making sure society is functioning and running while you guys have your little temper tantrums every couple months.
And, you know, we'll be here.
We'll be here, okay?
We'll keep society functioning as best.
You guys are fucking making it hard for us, but hey, we'll be here.
We're also the ones talking stuff through.
Like the top podcasts, I mean, I know this is kind of a silly example, but the top podcasts are like right-wing podcasts.
And there's not that many.
I mean, that ideology is becoming more popular.
The fundamentalist, Christian, conservative ideology is becoming more popular.
But that's not a good thing.
I don't think that's a good idea.
And like there's nothing wrong with that.
How is it not a good thing?
It's all about, like, we're all getting to confront.
We're a Christian country.
It's not common.
It is common sense.
The left went too much.
That's why I literally was a Democrat before.
And then I transitioned to Republican.
Yeah.
In 2020, I voted for Biden.
And I was in college.
Like, I was like, oh, like, whatever.
Like, you know, I was being the dummy.
But then after I started to hear both sides, I'm like, I listen to both sides.
I'm not like, you know, the right.
You know, some right-winger is like, oh, yeah, like, I'm not like that.
I try to be neutral as much as I can.
But the left made it so hard.
They made it so hard to be on their side, unfortunately.
And I really wanted to, you know, because I grew up in a Democratic state like California.
Stupid, right, and mean.
Yeah, that's how, that's how, that's how, that's the reason why Charlie Kirk died, unfortunately, because that, I don't, supposedly, if that was the gun, the gunner, we don't know yet.
I think it came out that he was a Republican.
Oh, my God.
And then they also act like that.
No, no, he was not Republican.
He's like trans furry or something.
Yeah, that's not true.
I don't buy that aim that he was a Trump supporter and that their whole family was Republican.
Okay, my family was Republican, but that aim was a little bit for real.
Okay, I do.
Wait, you think the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you think it was right-wing violence?
Yeah, he said that he was a Nick Fuentes fan and that Charlie Kirk wasn't.
Who said that?
Total fake news.
It's fake news.
It was left-wing violence.
Okay.
The Gripers never said they're okay with offing Charlie Curtin.
Like, what?
Nick Flint has had a beef with Charlie Kirk.
But he's not okay with killing him.
But it's pretty clear that the assassin, it was a left-wing.
If that even was him.
I mean, I don't believe those conspiracy theories.
I don't believe in the.
I'm confident he was.
I shouldn't say I'm confident, but I strongly suspect there's not some conspiracy.
I don't know.
Okay.
Here.
Moving on to a different topic.
Here, you know what?
One more thing, then we'll do dating, more dating stuff.
Okay, just curious, is anybody here like a second generation immigrant?
Like your parents, you, you, you?
Or you or first generation or second?
I was born here.
My parents came here.
Came here.
From Russia?
Russia.
Belarus, actually.
From Russia.
My parents came from Egypt.
Egypt.
Okay, so y'all are second generation from Mexico.
I think it's first generation.
When you're born here.
No, first generation is you moved here.
Okay.
You were born somewhere else, but you moved here.
Second generation would be your parents moved here.
I want to respond to there was a chat.
It was asking me.
No.
Yeah, my parents moved from Mexico.
It came here, and then I was born here.
Okay, second generation.
Second generation.
Okay, here's an interesting question.
I guess I'll ask you guys it, but I could maybe open it up to some of the other people on the panel.
If the United States, in a morally neutral, blame-free, hypothetical conflict between the United States and the country of your parents' birth or origin.
Okay, to which country is your allegiance?
America.
America, of course.
America.
So Egypt or America?
Like, if the United States goes to war with Egypt, it's America.
Yeah, because it's a lot of people.
And then curious, yeah?
Oh, oh, no, F3, yeah.
No, I'm good.
Oh, you sure?
Oh, I wanted to say something.
Like, you know, I hear other people say, like, they'll choose their other home country.
But for me, I got racist, like, not like major racism from my own community because I looked white.
I wasn't part.
Oh, like, I got bullied as like elementary school because I was too white, apparently, to be a Mexican.
They, you know, of course, like, I'm going to choose America.
That's all I know.
I never lived in Mexico, so why would I choose Mexico?
True.
Question for you two.
I know you guys aren't like Mexican or anything.
Right?
No, no, no, you're not.
If the United States went to war with Mexico, where would your allegiance lie?
The United States or Mexico?
Neither.
I just don't like war.
I think war's bad.
I am anti-war, but I would want the United States to survive and come through.
Okay.
What if the United States went to war with Palestine?
Palestine is not a country.
Let's say it does not have the capacity to be at war, especially with somebody as far away as we are.
Yeah.
They have what?
In the hypothetical.
Hypothetically, let's say that we did.
The guys in the little eensy-weensy bit that's left of Palestine has the military power to even come close to the military.
Let's just say we went to war with them.
Let's just say, I don't know.
I would be.
Here, let's use.
I'll gently redirect us to a real world example.
With Vietnam, that was a small, weaker country that actually had some military.
We wouldn't think that it had military advantage, but they did end up kind of whooping our ass.
Exactly, right?
So it could happen in Palestine.
It could.
Yeah, maybe something like that.
We got kicked out of Afghanistan.
Yeah.
Didn't we draw back?
But I don't know.
I think we did draw back from we did.
Biden did that.
I mean, what?
So you evacuate, yes, but if you don't evacuate, what happens?
We continue to kill each other?
Is that what you want to?
Ooh.
Like, do you think there was urgency with the evacuation in Afghanistan?
Like, it wasn't just like, we're just going to lolly gag here for a little bit and take our time.
It was like, no, we got to get the fuck out of here.
Otherwise, shit's going to go down.
I don't know.
It did take us like 15, 20 years.
Yeah, well, oh, my God, whatever.
It's not important to the.
Okay, which country is your allegiance?
Is it the United States or Palestine?
No.
Palestine.
I'll say Palestine.
Palestine, what about you?
You should go live there.
I will pay for you to go live there.
Weakness.
Not with more.
But.
But if you had to pick one, your allegiance had to be to one or the other.
The United States or Palestine, where's your allegiance?
I don't actually know.
You have to pick one.
I guess Palestine, too.
She's going to say Sweden.
I did mean Sweden.
Can you and I pick up?
Okay.
I don't know.
Us patriots, boys.
Us patriots.
This is crazy.
I think we should support you guys, honestly.
Even if you're a citizen, like, I think if your allegiance isn't to the United.
I think it's okay to be critical.
You know, look, if the U.S. goes to war, I think it's okay to, like, you could be against the war or whatever, but your allegiance should remain to your country.
I pledge allegiance to the flag.
That's literally the first one.
I don't pledge allegiance to anyone.
They don't have allegiance, though, to the United States.
But that's what I'm saying.
I have to do it.
If you're not willing to say, I pledge allegiance to the flag.
Wait.
Here's a really good question.
Okay.
Maybe the Palestine thing, it's so ridiculous, right?
You say it's a ridiculous hypothetical.
I said weak.
Would you consider yourself more socialist or even communist?
I'd say more socialist.
Okay.
Would you prefer living under like a regime?
So China, I guess, I don't know.
They're not really fully, like they're not, you know, the communist, the Chinese Communist Party, whatever.
They're like, you know, they're kind of whatever.
Would you say they're socialist, I guess?
They have certain social policies in like their housing, from what I understand.
And then they call themselves the Communist Party, but they still operate under capitalism within the global economy.
So it's yes, exactly.
So, but would you say that like China, they're more based than the United States?
Like the way they govern is better.
No, because they have a lot of what they call like a surveillance state.
Wouldn't you need that to get your communism going, though?
I would hope not.
Like I said, my morality isn't always the strongest, but I would not want that.
What country do you think has a better system than the United States?
There's a lot of European countries that have decent systems.
I'm looking for good social.
Which one?
Which one?
Finland.
Finland.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah, I agree.
All right.
Finland invades the United States with their military might.
Why?
To you acknowledging that, I don't know, whatever.
Let's just say, how about this?
It's a neutral hypothetical situation.
So it's not, I don't know, it's fucking neutral.
There's no moral dimension.
There's nothing unethical going on.
Finland invades the United States.
But you really prefer, and Finland's like, we got to liberate these fucking, we got to liberate you.
You white women are oppressed in the USA.
And these Republicans and conservatives, we're worried about them.
We're worried about the slippery slope.
They're going to be, Trump stays in power.
He's going to become like Hitler.
That's what you say, essentially.
He's going to be in the history books like Stalin.
Wait, wait, wait.
Actually, yes, this is actually kind of coherent.
Okay.
So, okay, you say that Trump will go down in the history books like Stalin.
Maybe, like Hitler.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah.
Right.
You say it's basically the same as, you know, 1930s Germany is the same.
No, I'm saying it's starting the same.
It's looking the same, starting the same.
Right.
So don't these wouldn't it be fair if that's what you believe?
Like, what if these other countries think like you think and they're like, whoa, we got to stop Hitler 2.0.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, so they come in and they're like, we're going to, just like how, I guess Trump did to Venezuela recently.
They're like, you know what?
We're going to just fucking depose.
We're going to, we're going to invade the United States, Finland, and maybe it can be a coalition of European powers.
Although, honestly, I'm pretty sure the United States could like smoke multiple theaters of war at the same time and like just that's hold on.
Let me just, oh my God, sorry.
You're trying to sanitize this hypothetical.
I'm just saying like driving yourself insane.
I was just thinking about it.
I was like, the United States can operate in like multiple theaters of war and just like fucking smoke everybody.
But okay, European coalition, fucking Trump is Hitler.
We cannot allow this.
He is rounding up the transgenders, the they, thems, the zerzems.
We cannot stand us European cucks.
You know, at this point, Europe is actually Islamic at this point in the hypothetical.
It's already been taken over by Islam.
So, I don't know, it's the caliphate of fucking Finlandia.
They come in, they're like, we can't let Trump, because Trump is xenophobic.
It's Europeans, but it's basically Muslims, right?
We can't let Trump, because Trump is xenophobic against like brown people, like you said.
He's Hitler 2.0.
We can't let him.
So this is getting crazy.
It's bad.
Okay, here.
I'm going to land the plane.
I promise I'm landing the plane.
Okay, so we're there.
I don't know what it is.
I'm so close.
European coalition comes in, invades the United States, fucking drones, drones the shit out of the White House, fucking Trump.
Boom, done.
Boom.
But we're in the conflict now.
Now we're in war.
They're fucking invading us.
Where is your allegiance?
The European coalition or the United States?
No, the European.
European.
You guys are fucking deport.
We're fucking deporting y'all, bro.
Get the fuck out of here.
Go to Mexico.
If your rights were at risk, right, and this is a situation that we're- My rights?
What rights?
I'm chilling.
I listened and sat through your five-minute hypothetical.
You can sit through my 30-second one, all right?
If your rights were at risk and you're living in a country by the hands of the country that you're living in, that you're a citizen of, and a country comes in wanting to defend your rights, you're going to side with who's going to protect your rights.
Wait, so from your perspective, this hypothetical European coalition, they would be liberators of left-wing liberal people in the United States.
That's essentially.
No, but the right-wing, the right-wing people.
No, okay, hold on.
The right-wing people are down.
Hold on, let me make it better.
Okay, how about this?
Let me bring it to a different level.
So, I was creating, maybe I should have just fucking just made it super simple.
As the United States currently is now, right?
As the United States, not some like crazy hypothetical where, but what you believe the United States to be.
So, you said Trump is Hitler 2.0, basically, in essence.
You said Trump will go down in the history books, just like in the same vein that Stalin did.
So, from your perspective, would you welcome a European coalition to prevent what you think is about to happen?
Fuck yeah.
So, okay, so not just like in reality, if some European or global coalition came in and said, Whoa, what is about to happen, what we think is about to happen, is dangerous, even though really there's no evidence for this at all.
You guys would side with an invading force coming into invading the United continent.
Well, I guess they could get Alaska and Hawaii too.
Invading the United States, you guys side with them, fuck yeah.
Is that a technically like treating war being a traitor to your country?
Yes, exactly.
Treason, there you go, treason is treason.
Fucking deporting.
It's exactly what happened to the bombing.
Like, Japan came and bombed the what is it? Pearl Harbor.
Like, it's like basically you're saying, I'm gonna go with Japan, even though they were like siding with the like Germany, like in World War II.
What would you, what would your answer be if Japan bombed America?
Well, Japan did bomb America.
Would you side with America or Japan?
Well, why are they bombing America to perpetuate Hitler's ideology?
And we're obviously against Hitler's ideology.
No, but it's not.
Okay, you're waiting for you to do it.
Wait, You don't know what happened in Pearl Harbor?
I do know.
No, I know her.
Sorry, Kurt.
Sorry, my bad.
Pearl Harbor.
I'm not really all that surprised.
I know the gist.
I'm not specific.
Are you guys being serious?
Seriously?
Sir, so I'm not creating any other variables in the hypothetical.
Just as America currently is now, but in a hypothetical where America just progressed as it would progress, you would be fine with a coalition of other nations invading the United States to depose Trump.
I did not agree with that.
That was a hypothetical.
I just.
That was.
I mean, if I have to pick a shot, I'm going to go, yeah.
10 to, really?
Yep.
So then, how about this?
Would you be in favor?
Let's just make it civil then.
Would you be in favor of an uprising, a left-wing uprising, attempting to a coup d'etat, a violent overthrow of the Trump administration?
Would you be in favor of that?
No, not a violent overthrow.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
But you said you would be in fine.
Foreign nations can violently overthrow, but it wasn't specified that it was violent.
If you're specifying, how else would I know?
Fucking grab him up, take him out of here.
Yeah, that's violent.
Unless you start murking a bunch of people.
Trump has secret service.
You want to get they have firearms.
You're going to need something stronger.
I'm sorry.
It was baked into the hypothetical I posed to you.
That's baked in.
A foreign invading army.
Well, okay, you're making me pick sides on this one.
I said that I'm not for like war and violence of any kind.
So if I have to pick a side on it, I will go with yes.
Yes to what?
Either.
Both.
Both your hypotheticals.
So yes.
Internal forces in the United States violently overthrowing the Trump administration.
Yes?
Yeah.
But you're way too far gone.
That's so young.
That's so radical.
Okay, so then what is okay, if that's your position, you could not possibly have an objection to the right people on the right suppressing, just basically being like, you know what, this is a dictatorship now, and we're not having another election.
Logically, you couldn't actually have an objection to that.
I mean, I do have an objection.
Well, your objection would rest in a differing of ideology, but you're saying the me, like, it's from your perspective, violence is justified to get your political perspective and worldview to and to tear down the existing.
I don't think violence is ever justified.
You just.
But I said if I'm having to pick one, I will go with the eye.
Versus letting the next few years run their time and there'll be another election and a Democrat may win.
If you think there's going to be another election.
Do you genuinely think there's not going to be an election in 2028?
He already said he's considering running for a third term.
You know what satire is?
You know what sarcasm is?
You know what joking is?
He's not running for a third term.
It's completely ridiculous.
That's impossible.
Even like he can't.
It's completely ridiculous.
He's never cared about what the rules are before.
He's literally trolling.
Like that's like troll behavior.
He left the first time after what a troll is.
That man is 70 in his late 70s.
He doesn't.
He's hilarious.
He's so like, have you seen the memes when he caught like the president, the Venezuelan president?
He was posting some like good as, I mean, good memes, funny memes.
Like, troll me.
We got it.
He might be a psychopath, but he is funny.
I mean, you have to admit, even if you hate him, he's funny.
I think his makeup is funny.
A lefty or not?
Logically, you couldn't actually have an objection outside of it being just a different perspective.
Okay.
So here's my perspective, right?
No, I don't think that we should, like, even if it would, like, even if I could get all the things that I want, yeah, I don't think that we should do some sort of, you know, we're going to completely disregard the processes that we have in place in our country.
So that's elections.
I wouldn't come, like, that's ridiculous.
And certainly not do like a violent overthrow in furtherance of that.
I completely reject that.
You guys are for it.
That's fucking insane.
Hey, fuck it.
Open the door to the other side being okay with that, though.
That's crazy.
And you guys will lose.
You'll lose every time.
That's crazy.
Y'all should not be the side being like, yeah, I'm okay with, we should handle our disagreements with violence.
That's.
That won't end well for y'all.
that won't that's like barely spoken about this You're saying y'all.
Man, y'all crazy.
I could make a good argument.
Y'all, y'all crazy.
All right, let's get into.
Okay.
Shit, how about this?
I need to wait until everybody.
What's going on?
It's not going to happen.
Where is she?
Did she leave?
How about you have her come back and she can just explain what's going on?
And if she's leaving, she's leaving.