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NEVER Had A Boyfriend At 38/33?! VlRGlN Until 26?! Brian CONFRONTED On Marriage?! | Dating Talk #272

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	I'm 19 and I'm from Orange County, California.
	I'm at UCSB right now studying pre-law.
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	And the major is it's pre-law?
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
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	I'm just working at a retail store down in Ivy.
	Okay.
	Not that much.
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	I'm Sabrina.
	I'm 23.
	I'm from Westchester, New York, but I live in London now.
	I do OF and I completed some university.
	Okay.
	And are you just here visiting?
	I'm here visiting the States for about a month before I go back to Europe.
	Is one of your parents, do they have UK citizenship or what are you doing in London?
	No, I just am really into football, like soccer.
	And so I moved out there to kind of go to the games and stuff because I'm a nerd.
	Okay, got it.
	I love America.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Sierra.
	I'm 36 years old from Seattle, Washington.
	I've been a dental assistant for 15 years, but for the last seven, I've been pretty much a stay-at-home mom.
	I went to trade school for dental assisting, and then I completed about half my bachelor's in psychology.
	All right, cool, cool.
	What about you?
	Dakota Ray, 38.
	I'm born and raised in LA.
	I work in politics, and I went to UCLA, graduated with an anthropology degree, which focuses on biological linguistics and cultural.
	All right.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Sativa.
	I'm 30.
	I live in Oklahoma, but I'm from California.
	I'm an artist and a college dropout.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	My name is Jacqueline Thomas.
	I went to college as a college athlete, and I went for my bachelor's and my master's.
	And I am a stay-at-home mom and a homeschooling mother.
	And whatever other hat I need to wear, I wear it well.
	All right.
	Sorry, could you just repeat your age?
	I didn't say it.
	41.
	Ah, okay.
	What about you?
	Okay.
	Hi.
	I'm Haley.
	I'm 33.
	I also live in Oklahoma.
	Hello.
	Right now, I kind of work at a college, like as an usher of security at all the different sports games, you know, football, whether it's softball, all of them.
	And my highest level of education is high school.
	All right.
	Hello, my name is Felicity Hughes.
	I'm 19 from Santa Barbara, and I'm a professional eye crosser.
	She works for the podcast.
	All right.
	Going around the table, once more, what's everyone's relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	I'm single right now.
	I've been single for like two years, and then my longest relationship was probably about like a year and six months.
	And that was in high school.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was mutual.
	It was for college.
	Oh, you guys split up like right before you went off to.
	Yeah, like the day before.
	Like 100% mutual?
	Or was there one person leaning more in one direction?
	I mean, I wanted to try out long distance, but obviously, like, that's really hard.
	And I can't put blame on the person, the other person, for not wanting to do it.
	So I had to respect him, obviously.
	So we kind of made the mutual decision, like, yeah, we'll break up and go our separate ways for college.
	New lifestyle.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship right now.
	We've been together since the end of summer.
	And my longest relationship was 13 months.
	You said you've been together since the end of summer?
	Yes.
	Your current relationship.
	Your current relationship.
	So three months?
	Three months.
	Safe to say?
	Okay.
	And your longest was 13 months.
	Yes.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Okay.
	And then I found online you had some like boyfriend application thing or something.
	Is that how you found your current boyfriend?
	He did the BF application.
	No, he didn't.
	Okay.
	That's funny.
	All right.
	Sorry, the 13-month relationship.
	Yes.
	Who initiated the breakup?
	I did.
	What?
	And why was that?
	He was a bit of a porn addict, and I had found porn again on his computer.
	And this time it was a PC.
	It was a gaming PC.
	Why are you watching porn and gaming PC?
	I was just fed up.
	So broke up with him.
	Don't you produce porn, though?
	Good question.
	I produce booby pictures, which is technically, yes, it was technically porn.
	Okay.
	Were you doing the OnlyFans when you were with him?
	No, this was three years prior to it.
	Three years prior.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	So that your relationship predates the start of you doing OnlyFans.
	Would you have an issue now, I guess, like say your current boyfriend who you've been seeing for three months, if he was watching porn, would you have an issue with it?
	No.
	Now you wouldn't.
	No, now I wouldn't.
	I think I've matured and became less insecure since then.
	But also, yeah.
	Well, I don't know if a woman's insecure if she doesn't want her boyfriend watching porn.
	I don't know if that would make her insecure, but was that the reason why you had an issue with it?
	couldn't get heart that was the biggest issue which was a result well enough that would make you insecure but yeah uh yeah if the porn consumption has a negative impact on the relationship in this case for sex life i think it's kind of a valid issue to have um But what about, okay, what if he didn't watch porn, your current boyfriend, but he was like subscribed to a girl's OF page, not because of to consume her nude content,
	but to conversate with her.
	Would that be an issue?
	I would prefer he buy her nude content than talk to her.
	Because I mean, that's a big portion of OnlyFans.
	It's not just the posting of the nude photos.
	It's like the back and forth.
	Parasocial conversation thing.
	That would be an issue for sure.
	Okay.
	Right.
	What about you?
	I am currently in a relationship.
	We've been together for three and a half years, and then my longest relationship was four years.
	All right.
	Four years.
	Ever married?
	No.
	Any kids?
	Yes.
	We have a one-year-old with my current boyfriend, one and a half, and then I have a six-year-old.
	With your four-year?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	The four-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	Neither.
	Death ended that one.
	Oh, sorry to hear.
	May I ask what happened?
	Heart issues.
	He was 35.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So he passed away when our son was 10 days old.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	Dang.
	Were you guys living together at the time or was the relationship otherwise good?
	Yeah.
	Everything was probably as good as it had been.
	We just had our son just bought our house.
	Did he have a history of heart issues?
	He was a competitive bodybuilder, steroids, for a very long time.
	So, yeah, that certainly had something to do with it.
	Like, was he actively taking TRT or steroids during that time period?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	When I found out that we were pregnant, he came down a lot.
	And it just didn't matter in the end, I don't think.
	I'm curious if you get pregnant while the father is taken.
	Because if the father smokes, doesn't that have an impact on the sperm quality?
	So like if you're taking TRT, if you're taking steroids, does that have some sort of impact on great question?
	I thought the same thing.
	Does it could have an issue, potential issue?
	I don't know.
	I asked the doctor and he said no, that everything should be perfect.
	Like what if your kid just is like fucking just jacked?
	Yeah, but no.
	You ever seen those super buff like seven-year-olds?
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, I assume the kid's healthy.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	He's more of a musician than a bodybuilder.
	Were you guys like, was it unintended pregnancy or were you guys trying to get pregnant?
	Like, we know what we're doing, but we weren't being careful.
	I think honestly, he thought he was like sterile because of all of the steroids.
	That's what he was told.
	Yeah.
	But obviously, like, we know what we're doing.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So he wasn't.
	Well, yeah, because I think when you're, my understanding, when you're taking TRT, testosterone replacement, I think, doesn't that like temporarily, at least while you're taking it, make you essentially sterile?
	It's supposed to, yeah.
	That's what I was saying.
	So yeah.
	So you guys were not aiming to have a kid, but not at the time.
	We knew we were going to get married.
	We knew we were going to have kids.
	That was all in the plans.
	But yeah.
	Was there like a specific, was he in the sauna or something when it happened?
	Nope, been asleep, actually.
	Oh, like, were you next to him?
	I wasn't.
	I was in the nursery with the baby.
	But I'm the one that found him.
	And yeah.
	At home?
	Yep.
	It was at home.
	Yeah.
	That's heavy.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	And so, but you have, so you have two kids, one from your, I guess, does that make you a widow?
	No, if you were married.
	We weren't married.
	If you were married, I would guess.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Currently single, and I've never had a boyfriend.
	Hold on.
	Whoa, I've had like a situationship and I've dated, but I've never had like an official boyfriend.
	Okay.
	I guess what's the, you said you had a situationship.
	What's the longest period of time that you've like seen a guy?
	That was two years.
	Two years?
	I mean.
	No title?
	No.
	No.
	Did you say I love you?
	No.
	And you were saying that?
	I mean, but we did.
	I mean, we loved each other, but we didn't say it out loud until like way later.
	After you guys broke up?
	Yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Hold on.
	It's complicated.
	I mean, he was an athlete.
	Yeah.
	Okay, wait.
	So, and was it on again, off again, or was it like a two-year straight?
	Well, I don't want to give TMI, but I was 26 and I lost my virginity to him.
	So it was on again, off again, but he didn't live here.
	So every time he'd come into town, we'd hang out and he wasn't seeing anyone else at the time.
	Yeah, it's a lot, but was he a U.S. athlete?
	Yeah, an Olympian.
	Okay, so when you said he came to town, I was like...
	Oh, yeah, he lived where it snows because he was a winter athlete.
	A winter luge?
	Snowboarding.
	Snow?
	Oh, snowboarding.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but yeah.
	Does he have red hair?
	No.
	Oh my gosh, no, but he competes with...
	Yeah, what's that guy's name?
	Sean, Sean White?
	Sean White.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Hey, Kaibaka, thank you for the gifted.
	Why won't it let me?
	Oh, here we go.
	Kaibaka, thank you for the gifted 22 subs.
	Thank you, Kaibaka.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, Jake, thank you for the raid, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Hope you had a good stream.
	Okay, so never, wait, sorry.
	And just, I got distracted from all the other details there.
	Like, lost your virginity to him at 26.
	Yeah.
	Was it on and off or not really?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was.
	Like, I mean, it was.
	Just a little closer to the mic.
	Yeah, it was definitely on and off for two years.
	He'd come to visit.
	I'd go up there to visit him.
	We never made it official, but we both knew.
	Were you dating other men during this time period?
	No.
	Was he dating other women?
	No.
	On God, yeah.
	That I know for sure.
	You know for sure he was?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, he was like in a different city, different state.
	True.
	So anything could be possible, but from my gut instinct and what he's told me, I highly doubt it.
	How often would you guys see each other?
	A couple times a month, I guess we'd try to make it work.
	So you would go there, he would go come here?
	Yeah, same, yeah.
	Okay, so like every week, basically, or maybe less than?
	A couple times a month, maybe?
	Two to three times a month.
	Yeah, two times a month.
	Every other week.
	You'd see each other.
	Okay.
	This was a very long time ago.
	Hard to recall.
	The Obama administration.
	Yes, unfortunately.
	During Obama.
	Unfortunately.
	And okay.
	That was a scary time.
	Was he a virgin too?
	No, absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	No, no way.
	Okay.
	Did you snowboard also?
	I tried.
	You tried?
	Yeah, it didn't work out so well.
	I'm a skateboarder, but skateboarder.
	Have you dated anybody else?
	No.
	Just him?
	Dated?
	Well, yeah, I guess.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I've dated.
	Yeah, I've dated.
	You've had other situations.
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah.
	Besides the two-year snowboard Olympian guy, by the way, like, did he place medalist?
	No.
	No?
	Not in the Olympics, but he's a decorated snowboard half-pipewriter.
	Somebody's going to figure out who that is, probably.
	coming but besides him I guess what's the next longest period of time that you've not had a boyfriend but yeah I had another situationship that was like maybe seven months This was also a long time ago.
	That was after.
	I don't care, you know?
	What do you mean?
	About, I mean, everyone's, yeah.
	Okay.
	No.
	Like, no.
	I'm so, no.
	I mean, I advocate for people to have families, and I totally believe in the nuclear family.
	I just love being alone.
	Okay.
	I do.
	I love my peace.
	I love my dogs.
	The dogs?
	Okay.
	And, but, yeah.
	Do you, let's say you were to meet the right guy, though?
	Do you think you would want kids or are you kind of not wanting kids?
	No, no.
	I mean, who knows?
	Because you can meet someone and then your entire perspective on life could change and you could want things you never wanted before.
	So who knows?
	But as of right now, there's not a single person that I could imagine having to be connected with for the rest of my life.
	If you were, let's say you found a great guy tomorrow.
	And you, hmm.
	Actually, I'll save that question for later.
	But okay, so you were 26.
	You lost your Virginia at 26 to a snowboarding Olympian.
	That's cool.
	But like in college, you didn't date at all?
	A lot of people date in college.
	Definitely did not.
	Were you in a sorority?
	I was in a sorority.
	I went to UCLA.
	I was a Delta Gamma.
	DG, what's up?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	DG G-Nudd.
	Is there a chant?
	I know, like, we did this a lot.
	It's like the wave.
	Ahoy.
	It's a long time ago.
	Yeah.
	That's a DG thing?
	Okay.
	Do you still kick it with any of your sorority sisters?
	No, I mean, we're friends on the internet, and that's about it.
	But I was in music at the time, so I was out on tour a lot.
	And then I'd come back to school.
	Were you a stagehand or what were you doing?
	No, I was really close with the band Paramore.
	I got my start in music when I was 18.
	They were my first interview, and we hit it off and were friends for like a decade.
	So I'd go out on the road with them.
	And I just was kind of like, you know, a little detached from the sorority, but still lived in that.
	So you would like, were you doing like media or press for Paramore?
	For them, I was mostly just on the road hanging out.
	Like, we were buddies.
	So, was there who?
	What's her name?
	The lead songs?
	Haley?
	Haley.
	Were you friends with Haley?
	Yeah, we have matching tattoos.
	Yeah.
	No way.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she's cool.
	I like her.
	She's a really good singer, too.
	I mean, yeah.
	What's that?
	I have their hit on one of my playlists.
	Misery business.
	Misery business.
	Yep.
	And can you sing it?
	I can, but I won't.
	Come on.
	No, you'll have to pay, right?
	I liked their new, they had a hit, I think, like two years ago.
	Ain't it fun?
	Ain't it fun?
	I think they won a Grammy for that one.
	Yeah, I like that one too.
	Yeah.
	Normally, like bands that were, you know, big 10, 20 years ago, don't remember.
	Man, I mean, I've worked in music for 20 years.
	They are incredibly talented.
	Like, they are truly talented people who are deserving of all the success.
	I saw them do online.
	I saw an acoustic cover of Misery Business.
	And she's a good singer.
	She's a really good singer.
	Shit, we should have, you should bring her on.
	Yeah, I mean, if we were still talking, we've kind of drifted away.
	Oh, yeah.
	You guys had like a little.
	We didn't have a falling out, but like, oh God, I don't, I'm not going to air like Dirty Laundry, but let's just say we like kind of went separate ways.
	I was in college and she was, you know, obviously like a musician.
	And we just kind of like drifted apart.
	I love her to death.
	Did she have kids?
	I don't know.
	No, no, no.
	So you guys are kind of like a little bit in the same boat.
	Totally.
	Because, yeah, you know, just folks sing on.
	Yeah, we were tight.
	Yeah.
	Haley never tight for a while.
	Hey, let's get Haley on about her.
	Yeah, I would love that.
	I mean, I wrote an email.
	I cannot.
	Yeah, shoot her an email.
	She's very mysterious.
	She, you know, she tries, she keeps very quiet and to herself in private.
	I'm not sure if she would want to be on the show.
	I think she just said that if you're a Republican, don't come to her concerts.
	No, she said if you're racist or misogynistic.
	Well, you know what she meant.
	Something along those lines.
	She's Christian, though, right?
	Well, she grew up, the whole band grew up Christian.
	I mean, I got my first Bible from Josh, you know, after like a really deep and intense conversation we were all having about, you know, Christianity.
	But I think she's kind of like, I don't know, I can't speak for her, but it seems as though she's kind of like stepped away from that.
	Cool, cool.
	Well, all right.
	Sorry, I don't mean to monopolize.
	No, no, it's all good.
	So, okay, besides the two-year guy, there was a guy you were seeing for seven months, but this was all a long time ago.
	Yeah.
	I mean, when's the last time you've ever, I guess, been involved with someone?
	I've been celibate for like three years.
	Well, celibate for three years.
	Yeah, involuntarily.
	Involuntarily celibate for three years.
	Hold on.
	Yeah.
	Not at all.
	I wasn't expecting that.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, I don't know if you're involuntarily celibate.
	I think you're voluntarily celibate.
	No, I would, I mean, I'd obviously love to go on dates and like meet someone, but you know.
	But when you say celibacy, we're talking about sex, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, you're voluntarily not having sex.
	I really don't want to.
	Watch here.
	I can fix this immediately after you want the sex.
	No.
	You're now voluntarily celibate.
	I mean, all right.
	I've just turned you from an incel to a volcel.
	Congratulations.
	Very good.
	Yeah, it lasts for six weeks, by the way.
	Okay.
	So I'll proposition you again in six weeks, and you'll continue to be a voluntary celibate.
	We'll circle back.
	We'll circle back.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, you've been celibate for three years, though.
	Have you been on any dates in that time period, though?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	How often would you say you go on dates?
	Well, I'm on Raya and Hinge, and I talk to a lot of people, but I never like follow through with going out.
	Do you think in terms of what you're looking for, would you say you have high standards?
	No, not at all.
	No, they're on the floor, the standards.
	Not on the floor, but like, I don't care how much money you make.
	I don't care what you do.
	No, I don't care about that.
	Like, so you'll date a guy at McDonald's or?
	Yeah, if he's got an energy that, like, get this girl a cashier.
	Burger flavor.
	No.
	I mean, they have to have like a, you know, Jeanna Cécois, like a quality about them that's like undeniable.
	And you can work it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, as long as you've got like an energy.
	Some charisma.
	Yeah, some charisma.
	You have this, you know.
	There's a lot of really insecure charisma.
	You know, yeah, well, send them my way.
	I will get you.
	Are there any carve-outs when it comes to the fast food?
	Like, if they were all the way, you don't fuck with them.
	No, I mean, I don't eat fast food, but, you know, it doesn't really matter.
	So any fast food establishment, I can link.
	You're really honing in on that part, but yeah, sure.
	Okay, but so don't care.
	What about other things?
	Like, do you care about height?
	Anything like that?
	Yeah, I mean, I like athletic people.
	Okay, so can't be obese.
	No, definitely not.
	I mean, I don't mind.
	What about like a dad bod?
	Yeah, I don't mind a dad bod at all.
	In fact, I don't like, you know, these deuces.
	Perfect.
	No.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm not going to crack it.
	Yeah.
	Not my body.
	That's not my body.
	Like, all yoked, no, no, no.
	But like, what about like Brad Pitt, Troy, or Fight Club?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	But you don't want like bodybuilder.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I like a dad.
	Height, though?
	No.
	Yeah, six foot, probably.
	Six foot.
	I like to feel small, you know.
	I'll tell you.
	Five, five.
	Five, five, okay.
	So wait.
	I don't want a short cane.
	You said you, sorry, what was the thing you said, though, that you don't about money?
	I don't care how much.
	You said you, your standards are not that high.
	No.
	I don't know, six foot.
	That's not, that's like really the only thing is like, just be taller than me.
	I don't care how much money you make.
	Like, you know, and have like a good energy that like when you say good energy, what do you mean?
	Um, God, I don't want to just like a guy who, I don't want to say like is obsessed with me because I think that that sounds weird, but a guy who's like really, really attracted to me.
	He's really attracted to you.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Someone who's like really attracted to me.
	You know.
	Doesn't that give you the ick?
	No.
	It depends.
	Does that give you the ick a little bit when he's like, what do you think?
	A little bit.
	I mean, if it's like too much.
	No, I'm the same way.
	Towards that.
	Yeah, I'm a simp, so it's a good idea.
	You're a simp.
	You want the guy to be a simp?
	I don't know.
	Do girls really like that?
	Yeah, yes.
	If it's your man, yeah.
	Yeah, if it's your man.
	But I don't mind being the bigger simp.
	Simp is like a lover girl, lover boy.
	Oh, no, not that.
	Like, you know.
	But I think there has to be a baseline.
	Like, I think you have to already have pretty strong feelings for the guy.
	Like, that behavior isn't going to be the thing that, I don't know what the right word is, that brings upon your attraction to them.
	Like, so just a guy being insanely attracted to you, that in and of itself isn't going to be the trigger for your attraction to him.
	No.
	Right.
	So there's got to be other criteria.
	I have to find him attractive, obviously.
	Right.
	But that's not like the only thing.
	But then I think at that point, once you're already attracted to him, then like whether or not he's like being a simp, I think you're going to still be into him.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Who knows?
	You only know once you're in it.
	I think a lot of women are like, obviously, it would be great.
	The guy you're attracted to, the guy you want, if he was all over you.
	But I think, and this applies to both men and women, but I think there is a component of the guy you want doesn't want you.
	And the guy that wants you, you don't want him.
	And that's like basically like if there's one way I could describe what's going on in the dating landscape, I think that's a lot of what's going on.
	Totally.
	That's why it was, I didn't lose my virginity until I was 26 because I'd always be interested in someone they weren't interested in me or vice versa.
	There's an evolution in the relationship, though.
	The girl starts.
	Is my mic on?
	I'm sorry.
	What?
	Okay.
	Well, the girl starts off liking the guy a lot.
	And the guy's really not into you.
	But what happens is he ends up being into you more.
	That's the simp that you want, not the one that starts off.
	And I hate saying that terminology, but that's the terminology we're all talking about.
	They start off, like Brian was saying, and then they end up being the ones that are all over you or being the simp personality.
	And that's the relationships that last, not the ones that start off where he's like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's the one that you say is cringe.
	The one that you don't like and you end up ditching him.
	Right.
	It has to be a role reversal over time.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I guess we can get into more of that.
	But were you like going on, like hanging out with guys or in college at all or not really?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	I mean, there was one guy like, you know, I wasn't really crushing on him, but he was like really pursuing me a lot.
	So that was fun.
	But nothing ever happened.
	I teased him a lot.
	What do you mean you teased him?
	I'm just like, you know, I mean, just teasing him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
	Just flirting and, you know.
	Okay.
	And then you said you've been celibate for three years.
	So the guy from three years ago, I guess, how long were you seeing him?
	Like a year.
	Wait, a year?
	Yeah.
	But you said two years and then the second one.
	Yeah, but that was just, that was not for a year?
	Just sex for a year?
	Yeah.
	Question though, for all these guys, so there was, at least what you've told us so far, there was a two-year, a seven-month, and a one-year.
	Yeah.
	Has there been, like, do you want more or have you been satisfied with the situations as they've been?
	They're fun.
	And that's, you know, like, I don't have any expectations on like getting married.
	So I'm just looking for like a companion.
	And, you know, I'm a woman who has needs.
	So, you know, so, but I'm not asking for, you know, to lock it down or anything, you know.
	But so at any point in any of these situationships, I guess we can call them, were you like seeking for a commitment?
	Yeah, that was when I got my heart broken when I was 26 with the snowboarder.
	And since then, I've like never allowed myself to like get that close to the guy before.
	But so you would initiate the what is this?
	What are we?
	Do you want to be my, so you'd date people for two years and not be like, because I don't, I don't want to.
	No.
	You don't want to walk.
	No, only with him, the first guy, did I ever want anything more than just like a situationship?
	And that was the only one.
	Did you say, do you want to be my boyfriend?
	Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
	I said, look, you're going into season.
	Like, I want to definitely make sure that we're together and you're not like hooking up with snow bunnies in different parts of the, you know, the world.
	Literal snow bunny.
	Yeah, access.
	Yeah, there you go.
	So, and he was like, but I like things the way that they're going.
	And I was like, peace.
	Yep.
	Wait, so, but this conversation you had, because you said you were with him for two years.
	Yeah, well, off and on for two years, yeah.
	But so that happened at six months, one year.
	Happened at like two years of you waited two years to have the what is this?
	Yeah, this because we only saw each other a few times, like a month, so it wasn't like, and we actually went, we actually went.
	I think it was like a year after the first time that we were together.
	We were talking a lot within a year, but we didn't see each other until like, oh well, that's new details.
	Okay, so you're saying you guys hooked up, had sex, and then you didn't see him again for a year, for about a year yeah okay, but we were talking like every.
	What do you mean talking?
	Like we were every day yeah, for the most part.
	When you say talking, texting or calling texting calling, face time yeah, how often would you call um call?
	I don't know this, you're talking like over 10 years ago.
	No, I just.
	I mean probably like I mean we, we talked every single day.
	So facetime uh, you know, calling or text I can't remember like how often, but we did, you know, I don't know man, that sounds like a lot of work.
	I don't know, does it sounds like a lot of work?
	It's weird though because, on one hand, on one wait, hold on, why.
	Why, though?
	So you guys hooked up, you had sex, and then god, my dad's watching this shout out dad, what's up?
	Uh w dad um you, you guys were talking every day yeah, and then later on in your situationship, you started seeing each other more frequently.
	Yes correct why uh like, what was the delay in?
	You'd have to ask him.
	So he were you trying to be like hey, what's up?
	Yeah, come down.
	Yeah, totally yeah, and it just took a few.
	You were trying to get him to come to you either.
	Or yeah, and you're like hey, let me come see you.
	And he was oh, he was another girl yeah, probably.
	But you just said you, I well, I don't know, I I believe him when he says no, so but he was fucking okay.
	I mean, just to put it very bluntly sure um, but it's uh, it we're.
	My confusion here okay, is how much time per day i'm not at like, i'm not looking for on average, would you guys say you spent talking, like when you had a call, when you had a face time 15 minutes, 30 minutes or no maybe yeah, maybe an, maybe an hour.
	Yeah, you know, condensed were you and you weren't seeing other guys at this time?
	No, and you were making yourself available to him.
	Yes yeah, that's interest.
	Yeah, he might be young.
	No, he's definitely not.
	You might have been the beard, that's that.
	I give that like a three percent probability chance, but it's in the back of my head as anything is possible.
	I'm trying to diagnose this situation.
	Yeah, anything is possible.
	I mean, I think that it's.
	It is a bit peculiar on one hand uh like, if a guy's not trying to meet up with you, I would, I would be my.
	My suspicion here is, why is he spending all this time, even communicating with you to begin with?
	And then I would also, I guess, ask you, well, I guess you, I mean well I, it makes a bit more sense in terms of Interest.
	But it, why is he spending all this time communicating with a woman who he's not trying to have sex with?
	That's weird to me.
	Yeah.
	Not just, but not even that, he doesn't like moving sex out of the picture.
	Sure.
	He's not even trying to like spend time with you in person and hang out with you when you're making yourself available to meet up with him.
	I have to, I mean, I'm maybe jumping to conclusions.
	There's another woman in the picture.
	Or are you cool?
	Like, are you just, I don't know.
	Dude, I don't think God's talk to women.
	But the thing is, I'm such a casual person.
	And like, I'm not.
	You're go with the flow.
	I'm very go with the flow.
	Yeah.
	So if I'm not putting any like restraints or any guidelines on him, like I don't want to continue talking unless X, Y, and Z.
	Yeah.
	You know, I'm not doing that.
	I'm just like, we enjoy talking to each other every single day.
	That's these back and forths that you would have, whether text or call, were you initiating that?
	Or were you?
	No, it was always him.
	Yeah, because I never feel.
	What is this guy doing?
	Well, I never wanted to come across thirsty or desperate, especially because I lost my virginity to him.
	I didn't want him to think I was clingy or anything.
	It actually got to a point where he was like, I feel like you don't even care because you never hit me up.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm not going to, I don't care.
	You know, I truly don't.
	And I'm not a thirsty person and I'm not, you know, clingy or desperate.
	So I ultimately came across like that.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	I think I'm painting a picture here.
	Okay.
	So he, wait, oh, question.
	Okay, so you meet this guy.
	What was the context of how you met him?
	I, when I was in Hawaii with Paramore, I met some professional surfers and Kelly Slater?
	No.
	No.
	So John John?
	No, I think I've met John John at like an opening or something.
	No, it was Makua.
	Makua Rothman.
	Girl surfers.
	Who's the other girlfriend?
	Lacey Peterson?
	No, she's older.
	A little bit older.
	Coco Ho?
	Yeah.
	Coco is a homie.
	Coco.
	Yeah, Coco was a homie.
	Wait, isn't she married to the MMA fighter?
	Well, last, I don't follow like gossip or, you know, tabloids or like anything like that.
	But the last time I remember, she was married, or not married to, but dating another snowboarder.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	The snowboarder boys and the surfer girls would hang out a lot.
	Isn't Coco Ho?
	Isn't she married?
	To UFC guy.
	I'm trying to.
	Max Holloway.
	Good for her.
	Wait.
	Oh, I'm thinking, who am I thinking of?
	I'm thinking of somebody else.
	Okay, whatever.
	Okay.
	But yeah, through the surfer girls, I met him.
	So he was in Hawaii too.
	No.
	Okay.
	So when I was, I got, I knew the surfer girls because when I was out there with Paramore, they took us to have like a lesson.
	So I met Kalia, who's a professional surfer.
	And weirdly enough, she showed up at one of my friends' houses.
	And then I was like, I know you from Hawaii.
	And then that's how it all like came about.
	And then she and I became pretty good friends.
	And then through her, I met the snowboarder boys.
	So you met him in person?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	In California?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They all came down like for a birthday.
	For Coco's birthday, I think it was.
	How soon after you meet him, do you guys have sex?
	It was a few months of like talking and like, you know, FaceTiming and texting.
	But were you guys seeing each other in person?
	We met in person.
	We met in person.
	Yeah, I told you.
	And then the next time you meet in person, is that when you have sex?
	Yeah, it was like the X games.
	It was that summer.
	The warp tour?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I actually used to work on warp tour.
	How funny.
	Wait, can I have you scoot the mic that way?
	This way?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I used to work on warp tour.
	But yeah, they came out for X Games.
	And yeah, so, and we'd been talking like steady a couple weeks prior to that.
	When you first met him, how long had you been talking?
	Or how long were you guys talking?
	Two weeks.
	Two solid weeks of like back and forth texting.
	He, you know, planning he was coming out here.
	We were going to link up.
	And then, you know.
	Okay.
	So you're a virgin.
	You meet this guy.
	And then, I mean, basically your first date, you, did you tell him you were a virgin?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And what was his reaction when you told him that?
	Or he was just like.
	I wasn't scared.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So wait, like, did you guys get dinner first?
	No.
	No.
	It was the warp.
	Yeah.
	Well, geez, my dad is watching and I. W Dad.
	Oh, gosh.
	It was the warp tour.
	It was the X Games kickoff party.
	Kickoff party.
	Yeah.
	So there was like a kickoff party with the athletes and the musicians and stuff.
	And it was that night.
	And I initiated it.
	I said, where are you staying?
	And then we left.
	Wait.
	Oh, so he was competing.
	Yeah.
	He wasn't competing because he's a winter athlete.
	And this was summer X Games.
	He was like skateboarding.
	Yeah, he gets invited to all that.
	It's like, you know.
	Were you, did he invite you there as a date?
	No, I was already.
	I worked in music for 20 years.
	Yeah.
	So I was already there.
	He was there.
	You were there.
	Yeah.
	And then I asked him to leave.
	So you meet up with him and you're at the X Games for 15 minutes?
	No, we were at the party for a few hours before I was like, let's get out of here.
	And so you go back to the hotel.
	Yeah.
	And when you say you ask him to leave, or would you, are you like, excuse me, sir, do you want to engage in?
	We had two weeks of talking consistently.
	Yeah, we knew like, yeah.
	You guys were flirting.
	We were about the business, you know.
	You know, we already knew what was going to go down.
	So wait, were you guys like planning to hook up?
	Not planning, but like we both, it was unspoken that we both knew we liked each other.
	Like he liked me, I liked him.
	And for the first time ever, it was mutual.
	And I've never.
	And then, so you guys have sex one time.
	Yes.
	And then you don't see him for a year.
	Yes.
	Something like that.
	You only have so long ago.
	You only had sex one time or was there like a little morning delight or something?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Afternoon delight?
	No, I mean, it was multiple.
	Oh my God.
	But okay, walk me through it.
	Okay.
	Walk me through it.
	I don't want to expose.
	I'm like, no, you're not.
	I don't want to expose too much.
	You're doing totally fine.
	So, okay, there's like a little party at the X Games, after party, whatever.
	You guys go back to the hotel.
	Do you spend the night?
	Yeah.
	Or he spends the night at his game.
	I spent the night at his hotel.
	At his hotel.
	And then do you guys like kick it that the next day?
	I mean, I had my group of friends.
	He had his group of friends.
	Because some of these events are multi-day.
	Yeah.
	It was like a three-day, I think, X-Games.
	So you saw him every day.
	I didn't see him every day, but like his paths crossed.
	First day.
	Yeah, it was the first day.
	So it was a three-day event?
	Yes.
	Kickoff party.
	You saw him the first day.
	Yeah.
	And you lose your virginity to him on the first day.
	Yeah.
	And then you don't see him for day two or day three.
	Yeah, I kind of avoided him.
	Hold on.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Again, again, I didn't want to come across as clingy.
	So when I do, and this is a problem that I've had in a lot of relationships, I just will run the opposite direction.
	When you lose your virginity at 26, and your instinct is to be like, bounce.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm out of there.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But not for less.
	Not for this.
	Okay.
	Was he trying to meet up with you?
	I don't think so.
	I can't remember.
	I don't think so.
	I mean, I was rolling with my girls.
	He was with his boys.
	I wasn't, you know, it wasn't.
	It wasn't anything crazy.
	Wait, didn't you say you were sure he wasn't hooking up with other people?
	Yeah, I mean, full time, though.
	So you don't think, you know, wherever he was for whichever event that he was, you know, just finding a girl who's willing to, you know, go back to his hotel room.
	True, maybe.
	Anything is possible.
	But I genuinely believe him.
	Is he married now?
	Yes.
	Rip.
	Okay.
	Dang.
	Okay.
	Was it like kind of freaky?
	Okay.
	Talking about the sex?
	Yeah, because why is this dude like that?
	Like what?
	Like, because you said he might be gay.
	3% chance.
	I don't know.
	It's just like, what's his reason?
	I don't know.
	No, I don't.
	I give that like a 3% chance.
	Probability.
	3.33%.
	Is he older than you?
	Younger.
	By how much?
	Oh, gosh.
	I think he was 22.
	I was 26.
	I took some MILF.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Don't I have to be a mom?
	Cooter over here, a little coooter.
	Wow, this is an interesting.
	It gets better.
	Oh, it gets better.
	Wait, it gets better?
	Okay, here's what we're going to do.
	I want to introduce the other people, but we'll come back to it.
	It's juicy.
	Keep going.
	But wait, hold on.
	I know.
	I'm a very confusing.
	You're saying it gets better?
	Yeah, like good?
	Yeah.
	But wait, question.
	Are you religious?
	I believe in something.
	I just don't know exactly what it is.
	When you were 26, when you were younger, were you like anticipating waiting until marriage?
	Oh, no.
	Or you wanted to.
	I wanted to, yeah.
	You wanted to.
	But I never ever.
	You're an attractive lady living in Southern California where there's no shortage of men who will definitely have sex with you at UCLA.
	There's no shortage of frat boys at UCLA.
	You were in a sorority at UCLA.
	Yeah.
	You wanted to have sex.
	What is the missing piece here?
	I feel like there's a missing piece.
	I like guys who don't like me or they like me and I don't like them.
	And that's always the way that it's been.
	And for the first time, I finally found someone who liked me as much as I liked them.
	And that's literally all it took.
	The Olympian, super awesome, was he famous kind of?
	No.
	I mean.
	But he was attractive.
	I thought he was attractive, but like, you know.
	Friends didn't.
	They're like, every, not everyone likes, you know, chocolate chip ice cream.
	You know, like everyone's likes different things.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Like you might, this whole panel might find him disgusting, but I found him.
	But you said you were like really into him.
	Yeah.
	So you have, up until that point, the most intimate moment of your life, you lose your virginity to him.
	Well, I guess we already went over this, but your instinct was to not try to see him again.
	Yeah.
	Well, not actively not try to see him again, but definitely not be like, when are we going to hang out?
	When are you coming back?
	Were you like, were you like, hey, you know, what are you doing tonight?
	Well, he lived six hours away.
	For that event.
	Oh, I mean, yeah, I think you're talking this is like, God, over 10 years ago, but I'm sure I texted with him like, what are your plans tonight?
	Are you going to this event?
	Are you going to that?
	I'm sure we had that kind of communication, but no, it's hard to tell.
	I don't know.
	I think a rule, I think a rule, a guy rule.
	Okay.
	You know, is if you take a woman's virginity at 26 at the X games, you have to fuck her at least two or three more times.
	I think that's the way so.
	I think that's the way that's the rule.
	It's a law, probably.
	You gotta at least have sex with her two thirds.
	He was the priority was fun for him.
	It was always like, you know, I have to have fun.
	And maybe I was like, not, you know, I was second on that list.
	So it was like party, party, party.
	Okay.
	Well, and then, yeah.
	Yeah, I guess you, you know, young guy, young guy.
	Yeah.
	Hanging out with his friends, partying, blown down.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, okay.
	But then it gets worse or better, or I don't know.
	You said there's more.
	I meant just about like life in general, but yeah.
	Oh.
	But you said there was more with him.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm going to, I'm going to tread lightly on that one just to protect.
	Oh.
	What do you mean?
	Did just to protect people punch him or something?
	No.
	Nothing violent.
	No, no violence or anything?
	No, absolutely not.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm going to.
	How about you?
	I'm going to let this chat run for you.
	Adzils.
	Thank you, man.
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	Yo, Adzils.
	Thank you for the message, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in a relationship, and then my longest one was like four or five years, kind of on and off.
	Currently in a relationship, the longest four to five years.
	How long have you been current?
	Like a year and a half almost.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Oh, that was short.
	I have been with my husband since 2008.
	All right.
	So that's.
	He's my longest relationship.
	How long have you been together?
	Since 2008.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought you meant you were married in 2008.
	No, we were married in 2012.
	Together since 2008.
	Like married for about 13 years, I'd say.
	Right.
	Kids?
	Yes, four.
	Four kids.
	All right.
	Any kids from any other men or just no?
	He's no.
	He's the one.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Well, I've been seeing a guy for 15 months now, but he doesn't want to call me his girlfriend or anything.
	You know, so I'd say I've never had a boyfriend, you know, where someone wanted to be committed to me.
	Maybe I just don't complain enough.
	I was like, okay.
	And also, I don't care if I seem way too into somebody at all because I am.
	I'm pretty desperate, man.
	You know, at this point, I'm 33.
	You're a desperate man?
	No, I'm desperate, man.
	Did anybody know?
	I'm sure if they know.
	Oh, yeah.
	I heard it that way.
	I heard.
	Okay.
	No, no, I'm not.
	I'm a female.
	That's fine.
	It would be fine if you were trans too.
	I was just, you caught me off guard there with the man.
	Okay, so 15 months.
	And what's the longest period of time you've not had a boyfriend, I guess?
	Huh.
	So what I mean is never, but you've seen guys, but none of them have been your boyfriend.
	Yes.
	I'd say, well, the longest dry spell I had.
	No, no, no, no.
	The longest period of time seeing a guy.
	This one.
	Oh, this one is the longest.
	15 months.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but besides that, maybe there's a guy who's three months-ish, less than that?
	Three months is the next longest.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then after that, it goes into one month less territory.
	One night, that sort of thing.
	Yeah, too many of those.
	Too many of those.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And then, so, okay, this current guy, though, you've been seeing him for 15 months because when you responded to us on Instagram, you said you're actually single when you responded.
	I mean, I would basically am because he openly, you know, is seeking out other girls.
	I mean, not even for a girlfriend.
	He just, you know, likes to, I don't know, just whoever is willing.
	Okay, so you're, let me ask some clarifying questions here.
	When you say you've been with him for 15 months, do you mean consecutively?
	Yes.
	Not on again, off again.
	Okay, I count three months here.
	Now we, I mean, anytime we do everything together, you know, like really close friends would, you know, going out to EA, going out doing activities, movies, things like that.
	It's just commitment is hard for him for some reason, which I don't get.
	And I don't push the issue.
	So you've been seeing him for 15 months, but do you push the attempt for exclusivity?
	Nah, I suppose I don't.
	You know, I let him know I'm not loving it.
	You know, if I find some evidence, he can be pretty sloppy about it.
	One time I found a bra underwire.
	I don't wear bras with underwires, just little things like that, or else he's been watching some DVDs, you know, which is what he did the night that we met.
	You know, he breaks out the DVD.
	Do you guys live together?
	No, no.
	We live in the same city.
	Same city.
	Like a 15-minute drive.
	Okay.
	And so did he tell you from the get-go?
	Okay, so here's my understanding.
	You're not seeing any other guys, correct?
	Oh, no, not at all.
	No, not even literally.
	Have you been with any other men?
	No, I haven't.
	Dated any other men?
	No, before him, I hadn't been with a guy in three years almost.
	So you didn't?
	Like physically or anything?
	For three years before?
	Yeah.
	This guy.
	Okay.
	And then, okay, celibate for three years.
	Then you meet this guy.
	But did he tell you from the get-go that he wasn't going to be loyal to you, basically?
	He did.
	Yeah, I mean, pretty much.
	How soon?
	Like on the first date?
	The first or second, one of those.
	So he told you, hey, I'm not looking for anything serious.
	Yeah, he did.
	And, you know, I was kind of disappointed because right off the bat, he, I mean, he clicked with me with what I'm kind of like in a guy.
	It's just, that's really the only caveat with him.
	You know, even now, it's just, you know, he's great in every freaking way.
	But this one big, big thing.
	Yeah.
	You know.
	How often do you see him?
	I'd say, well, it can depend on the week, especially with my schedule gets crazy.
	But it could be two or three times a week, but other times it can be like we'll go a week or two without seeing each other.
	But we try to, you know, anytime we're free and not exhausted from work.
	People have busy lives.
	You have stuff going on.
	He has stuff going on.
	But on average, you would say you see him two to three times a week.
	Maybe some weeks.
	I would say so.
	Yeah.
	And then some weeks more, maybe.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah.
	I think it's as often as we would both like to see each other.
	When you guys do hang out, are you guys going out on dates or is it just come over to my house, you go to his, he goes to yours, and you guys hook up?
	Oh, we definitely go out.
	You know, if I we just went and saw Wicked 2 and give him major props for putting up with that.
	I know that's that's boyfriend material right there.
	Who's willing to do that?
	Yeah, I mean, if you're going to see the second version of a musical, I think you can do that.
	Maybe we have another beard situation here.
	I don't know.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	Do you guys go to the ballet too?
	Did you guys see that?
	No, that's as fruity as it gets for him.
	I don't ask him to do anything much more than that.
	Actually, I give a pass on like, Tchaikovsky, I'll allow it.
	Right.
	But, okay, so, and over time, though, it seems like you've continued to, tell me if I'm wrong here, but you've continued to push for a relationship.
	Is that correct?
	Not pushing.
	I'd say I'm not pushy in the least, but like it's for me, I still have that desire with him.
	You know, if he ever.
	Okay, but you say you find like, do you find condoms or anything like that?
	I haven't found a straight O.
	Okay, but you found another woman's college.
	I definitely haven't found condoms.
	But you found another woman's underwear.
	Is that correct?
	It was a bra underwire, and I don't even own a bra that has an underwire.
	But in any case, he.
	It was so funny.
	You know, he finds it on the side of his bed, and he shows it to me because he didn't know what the hell it was.
	And he's like, what is this?
	It's so weird.
	Like this round U-shaped metal thing.
	What could that even be for?
	And I look at it.
	I'm like, huh.
	And I'm like, huh.
	So, like, people.
	Are you going to just like keep talking to him even though he does that?
	Like, I guess I'm trying to understand if you're waiting.
	Yeah, it's just because, I mean, we're not official.
	And so he told me, you know, right off the bat.
	So how much can I dock him for that?
	You're not scared of STDs or like stuff like that.
	Oh, yeah, him getting pretty good.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	But that would be my own dumb fault, wouldn't it?
	You know what I'm getting into?
	Are you on birth control?
	I am not on birth control.
	Okay.
	Should be, I know.
	So, okay.
	15 months.
	You're basically in a one-directional, unidirectional, open relationship.
	Open on his end, closed on yours.
	Is that fair to say?
	Just, yeah, as far as.
	Hold on, question.
	So has he closed it on your end?
	Or is it open, but you don't fuck other men?
	And I asked him, you know, just jokingly, I'd be like, what would you think if I, you know, got with the guy?
	I'm not talking about an actual person that I know in real life, but if we're watching a video, I'm like, hey, he's pretty hot.
	What would you think if I, you know, slid into his DMs?
	He's like, no.
	Uh-uh.
	And I'm like, wait, so you wouldn't be okay with me, even just like having a nothing hookup that led to nothing.
	He's like, oh, heck no.
	All right.
	So, yeah, yeah.
	One-directional-ish.
	Okay.
	It's open on his end, closed on your end.
	Basically.
	My understanding.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah.
	And I would say, you know, in the beginning, for the first, maybe even the first half, so, you know, seven months or so, I just like wasn't looking at dudes whatsoever.
	You know, they might as well not exist.
	You know, just looking at my phone if I'm walking down the street, even though I live in a big college town.
	Not that I get with college dudes, but I'm just saying there's like a lot of young guys who took some but so there's guys there's plenty of options out there, but I'm not, I wasn't looking till maybe like now on the second half of this.
	I'm like, yeah, look a little bit, still haven't done anything.
	You know, I haven't gone on a date with another guy, let alone more than that.
	So are you.
	I was just going to ask, where would you rank your self-esteem?
	You know, it's higher than you think.
	I think my self-respect, how I treat myself, is lower than that.
	So I know.
	But.
	Okay, so you've never had a boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And can you describe the guy you're currently dating?
	Like, what?
	Physically?
	Looks and.
	Oh, he's very, very attractive to me.
	I think he's a real cutie pie.
	Wait, he's attractive to, sorry, did you say to you?
	Yeah.
	He's attracted or attractive.
	Attractive.
	Attractive.
	You know, he's easy on the eyes, in my opinion.
	And, you know, I usually don't know.
	What's your day for work?
	Oh, he is.
	I don't want to get too specific.
	I guess I'll, he's just, okay, he's an engineer.
	Engineer, that's right.
	Does he make good money?
	He does.
	Six figures, low six figures.
	Okay.
	And then how tall is he?
	He's over six.
	Tallest guy I've ever been with at all.
	I love my short kings.
	So as long as they're, you know, for me, it's five foot four is my minimum.
	Other than that, I don't care at all.
	You know, I prefer someone who's like closer to me, so I don't got to tippy toes.
	But I don't mind stepping on my tippy toes for him.
	So he's six foot one, six foot two?
	I think it's one.
	I think it's one, six foot one.
	Yeah.
	White, black, Latino, Asian?
	Oh, he's white and a little bit Lebanese, but he looks like a white dude, dark-haired.
	I'm Lebanese.
	Oh, cool.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Gosh, you guys are a good-looking race.
	Jeez.
	I appreciate that.
	Why do you think it is you've never, well, you find yourself in this current situation, but also you've never been able to have a boyfriend?
	Have there been men who have been who you believed would have wanted a relationship with you, but you didn't want a relationship with them?
	There is a couple.
	I know definitely you asked me, but it's just when I was younger, I cared.
	Like I would date kind of ish guys who I wasn't necessarily like super physically attracted to, but I liked them.
	I'm like, it would be wrong to, you know, get in a relationship like that if I'm just not that sexually into them, even though I would do it with them.
	But I'm just thinking, you know, after a while, you know, that's going to be like, you know, like, might get to, I don't know.
	I think, honestly, it's because I was such a late bloomer.
	I didn't lose my V card until I was 20.
	And so things were just really slow moving after that.
	I feel like I was just really behind, you know, from other people.
	Okay.
	There's something kind of, we have two women on the panel here who have somewhat similar of a predicament to some degree.
	Yeah, I know, it's a predicament.
	And, you know, I'd say for me, like, my standards for dudes, I mean, as evidenced by what I just told you about the guy that I'm dating, my bar is in hell.
	I mean, practically, I don't ask for much at all.
	I'm not going to, I'm not going to, you know, nag you about anything whatsoever.
	It's just like, yeah, yeah, whatever you want.
	I'll just take it day by day.
	When's the last time you saw this guy?
	Like, you were.
	It was a night right before I flew out over here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I want to ask a question related to this.
	Going around the table, starting with you, would you rather be the king's mistress or the peasant's wife?
	Probably the peasant's wife.
	Peasant's wife.
	Peasant's wife.
	Damn.
	Into the mic, scoot it.
	Wait, has the mic been shifted, Nick?
	It looks a little bit.
	It looks shifted.
	Scoot it that way two inches.
	Am I moving?
	Don't worry about it.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I don't want.
	Okay, fine.
	King's mistress.
	King's mistress.
	Okay.
	I have commitment issues.
	Peasant's wife.
	Peasant's wife.
	Oh my God.
	Hell, I'll be the peasant side piece.
	Yeah.
	The peasant side piece.
	I like that.
	Okay, good one.
	That's funny.
	Okay, interesting.
	Question for you, though.
	Have you ever had I mean, almost, how do I want to frame this?
	I mean, everybody's rejected people, right?
	But have you ever had any guys who did want a relationship with you, but you didn't want anything with them?
	Like when we're already casually seeing each other and then they want to step it up?
	No, not necessarily.
	Or just someone who has a crush on me?
	Not somebody you've, sure, I guess.
	I mean, if they did, I've been completely clueless.
	I've probably missed out on so many guys.
	I tend to be on the shy side or just clueless as far as that's concerned.
	I don't know.
	I'm not good at reading signals in that way.
	Do you want kids?
	You know, I like them.
	I wouldn't say I'm closed off from it.
	It's never been something like where I thought, oh, I want to be a mother.
	I need to be a mother.
	I could be a stepmom.
	I'd be so down to be a stepmom, even if a couple kids are in coming.
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	Okay, so that's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Y'all crazy, man.
	Y'all crazy.
	Shit.
	I mean, look, the reality is when you, where's the incentive for a guy to commit?
	Because I think, look, I'm just be honest.
	Not all men are going to move like this.
	But I think if you ask most men, and I think a lot of men, you could ask your boyfriend, you could ask a guy you're seeing, they might lie to you.
	But just being honest, I think the case is you ask most men, look, if you're dating a great girl, but she's fine with you sleeping with other women and she'll stay with you.
	I think most men take that deal.
	And some of y'all enable this kind of behavior, though, when you agree that that kind of dynamic, it's like you can't sit here.
	I mean, the guy's not cheating on you because he was upfront with you, right?
	I think it's one thing, obviously, cheating is wrong.
	But in this case, you might object to the, you know, the unequalness of your arrangement, but you agreed to the arrangement.
	In this case, I think you're not, this guy just is essentially, and look, you're in a consensual dynamic.
	He's been up front, but he's just using you for sex.
	I wouldn't say that.
	I don't feel that way at all because, I mean, dang, I don't want to say this when a bunch of people are watching, like, my coworkers and watch this.
	But, okay, I like doing it too.
	I think I enjoy it as much as he does, just not with random people that I don't flip and know.
	Look, there's no dispute that I don't think my argument here is that women dislike having sex or don't enjoy having sex.
	I think sex is a mutual, mutually beneficial, enjoyable thing.
	In fact, I frequently argue that when it comes to sex, actually, women, well, I guess it depends on the woman.
	Y'all be having multiple orgasms and shit.
	Like, y'all, sex is better for you guys.
	We're doing all the work too.
	What the fuck?
	So, I don't know, whatever.
	So, I kind of feel like you're a placeholder for him.
	That's not what he said.
	You know, recently he's just saying, How I'm such a unicorn, you know, I'm perfect and stuff.
	You know, the only thing for him is like he just mentioned kids.
	You know, he wants kids for sure.
	With you?
	He would.
	He says he would.
	Like, I think we're a couple, you know, we got a couple more steps, maybe.
	Are you religious?
	I don't follow a religion.
	Is he religious?
	Yeah, yeah, he goes to church and even Bible study and stuff.
	Oh, hold on.
	Oh, no, wait, No, no.
	When I said I'm not religious, I believe in God.
	It's just I haven't picked a book.
	So he's Christian.
	Does he go to a non-denominational church?
	I don't even know which one it is.
	Wait, you've been dating a guy for 15 months and he goes to church all the time and you don't know.
	I don't know.
	He reads the Bible, man.
	That's all I know.
	Is he Protestant, Catholic?
	Not one of those.
	Oh, Jehovah's Witness.
	Oh, gosh, no.
	No, no, no.
	Maybe just, I don't know.
	I don't think an Orthodox guy's fucking awesome.
	I also don't think so.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	Shit.
	I'm trying to process everything.
	I'm really trying to wrap my head around.
	You said is he conservative too?
	Yes.
	Yes, he is.
	Oh, very much so.
	Okay.
	And I am too, but not as much as he is.
	Hell is me.
	Goodness.
	Does he make you public whenever he's with you?
	Are you a secret or are you somebody that he's not going to be able to do that?
	I mean, they would see wicked inside in the dark in a theater.
	That's something you want to say.
	Oh, it's like a date.
	He's kind of claiming her a little bit.
	Well, I mean, no, we go out to restaurants and stuff.
	Like I said, it's no.
	I mean, his mom knows about me.
	I've spent Thanksgiving with him and his best friend and their wife and their kid.
	So, I mean, no, it's not a good thing.
	Why won't he commit to you?
	Because of kids?
	Because she doesn't care about the children.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	He didn't even ask that till maybe two months ago.
	I think he was kind of afraid to even know the answer.
	So I mean, I don't think he could use that as an excuse, even because he didn't know.
	What was the reason he gave you for not wanting a relationship?
	He told me, and this is the only time I really asked for an answer for that reason, is because he said the next girl that he calls his girlfriend officially, that's going to be the chick he's going to marry.
	There you go.
	Wait, he told you that placeholder.
	Wait, wait, sorry.
	Repeat that one more time.
	He told her without telling her, she's not the one.
	Yeah.
	That's not how I took it at all.
	I took it as.
	Okay.
	So he's not ready to call someone his girlfriend yet because when he finally does that, you know, well, first of all, when he calls this girl his girlfriend, he's going to be not sleeping with other chicks, but he's not ready to not be sleeping with other chicks.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So tell him what you think.
	What you think about it?
	The next chick, the next woman that I call my girlfriend, you know, is going to be the woman that I'm going to marry.
	Keyword next.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Meaning not you.
	That's not how I took it.
	I feel like he.
	No, I feel like he was saying that when he calls me, when he starts calling me his girlfriend, that you know, that's it.
	Here, I'll break it down super simple.
	Okay, so if I say, if I was, let's say I'm married or whatever, and I tell my wife, the next woman I have sex with, would that mean her?
	Yes.
	No.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, just English language or whatever.
	Next would imply like secondary somebody else.
	After you.
	So he's not talking, I don't think he's talking about you.
	He was.
	I don't care that much.
	Jeez, I don't care if we were forever or like I after a year and a half, men usually know what they're doing.
	It doesn't even take a year.
	Like after a couple months, they know.
	And that's why I was saying, like, me saying that you're kind of a placeholder.
	It's not even like to be an insult or anything.
	It's just like the reality, I think, of your situation that I don't think you're fully grasping.
	Like, I don't want to use the word delusional, but it's like a little bit.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And it's okay.
	It's okay.
	Delusion is way nicer than reality.
	But I'm not even trying to get him to be my boyfriend.
	So it's not like I'm trying to hold on to some hope that doesn't exist.
	I don't care.
	And that's actually sad.
	I think that's worse.
	I mean, for one, I don't know.
	I don't feel like I'm emotionally invested in him in that way because just because.
	Why are you meeting his family?
	Yeah, and why are you being a little mom?
	And he just said that she looked at the girls.
	You just told her that she was a boyfriend.
	No, no, no, no, his best friend.
	And his wife.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They met at work like his best friend.
	So what is your goal with him then?
	What is the end goal?
	There is no end goal.
	So you're not a placeholder?
	I don't know.
	I haven't decided.
	I haven't decided.
	I don't think that far ahead.
	I mean, to me, nothing is that serious.
	Well, you're dating this man who is seeing other women and has told you when I find my next girlfriend, that's going to be my wife.
	No, well, no.
	More like.
	I wouldn't die if someone's not talking about it.
	Oh, crap.
	He's saying once he commits to whatever chick, whether it's me or someone else, then that's it.
	It's going to be for real, for real.
	Girlfriend to whatever.
	We're just hoping that it's you in this lineup.
	No, I don't care.
	I'm not saying it could be.
	It couldn't be.
	I get you.
	I understand where you're coming from.
	Okay, I hope someone does.
	I guess what I'm trying to understand is how you're being monogamous to him.
	Like you're being faithful to him.
	But like, but yet you're not saying that you're not, but yet you're not like invested emotionally.
	I guess it's just like not necessarily aligning logically.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So, okay, I have been monogamous to him, but it's not like something I'm even, it's just kind of happened that I haven't seen anybody or met anybody that I want to sleep with or been interested in that way.
	If I did, then that'd be a different story.
	It just hasn't happened, you know.
	So if you're not the next girlfriend, then what are you going to do after that?
	Be looking a little harder more closely.
	Looking for what?
	I don't know, just at other dudes.
	For what?
	To start to start dating?
	For what?
	Because I want to find a husband.
	Well, I don't think you want to find a husband.
	Okay.
	Because then you would have an end game.
	You're saying if I'm not the next girlfriend.
	No, that is the end game, but I don't know who it's going to be with or when it's going to be or who's going to pay.
	How that's going to start out.
	Someone sometime.
	I'm not that worried about it.
	I'm not.
	I mean, it'll happen when it's meant to be.
	It'll be the right person.
	So it sounds like you really don't want to get married.
	That's literally not what I said.
	But you said I want to get married, but whenever it happens.
	I feel like there's some backtracking going on here because you said that you were monogamous to him and he was like your dream guy, but that it was open on his.
	No, I didn't say he is my dream guy.
	He's just like the perfect guy in general, like of what I like.
	But you don't want to marry him?
	Yeah, and you like men who sleep with other women and make you be faithful.
	Yeah.
	And I thought that was that one issue, that one big caveat that really, especially like.
	Well, that's why I'm not that messed up about him not calling me his girlfriend.
	I'm just taking it day by day.
	I mean, it's not that serious.
	I hope it is, but not too long.
	She doesn't want to find a husband.
	You said you want to get married eventually.
	She doesn't want to get married.
	No, I don't.
	Whatever she says.
	She knows me best.
	I know what you've said, and you don't want to get married.
	And I think, I'm not trying to be rude, but the word she used delusional, whatever she said.
	And she wasn't trying to label you.
	I think perhaps I'm not sure if I want to get married to this first guy that I'm kind of like actually dating in my life.
	I'm 33.
	You said you've been with him for 15 months?
	Yeah.
	You said that if he doesn't pick you as the next girl that he said he would want to marry, you would just move on and do this again?
	I don't care.
	But no, that's what you said, right?
	Well, like, okay, if someone has a goal, they're usually working their way to achieve it.
	So there's no point in like dicking around with some guy for a year and a half, two years, whatever, if you don't plan on marrying him if that's your goal.
	You know, like, I feel like to us, it sounds like I've got to be on it all the time.
	No, you know, I don't know.
	Like I said, I'm open.
	I'm open to it.
	I mean, of course, I want to get married and I'm open to some guy, you know, walking into my life.
	It just hasn't happened in the past 15 months.
	It's just this one guy that I'm seeing.
	That's what I'm doing.
	No, body dude.
	We're not saying you have to do that.
	We're saying your logic, you're saying you want to get married eventually, but you're just like fucking around with this guy.
	You're not taking him seriously.
	But you want to get a husband eventually.
	I think that you guys are kind of each other's placeholder because y'all are bored.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	But that, I'm not trying to be like hopeful, but that could, it could eventually turn into you guys falling in love.
	I mean, when people are like back in the day when you used to like matchmake, like your parents would set you up with like a husband or whatever, you might not love them.
	You might despise them.
	But then after years and years of marriage and children, you end up loving that person.
	So you might technically be a placeholder.
	And in fact, both of you guys are placeholders in each other's lives right now.
	But that doesn't mean that it can't grow into something deeper and more serious.
	That's not what we're really saying.
	I think it's just like, I don't care what she does in her life.
	She could be single forever and or she could get married right now.
	I don't care.
	It's just like her goal, like what she's saying she wants to achieve.
	Her actions currently are not aligning.
	Yeah, that's essentially what I've been trying to say too.
	It's like your actions and then the things that you kind of say, they crisscross a lot.
	Because she didn't even say what you said.
	I'm hoping that I will win him over over time.
	He will fall in love with me later on.
	She didn't say that.
	She has no goal.
	She has no plan.
	She's just, well, if he dumps me, he dumps me.
	With him, I don't have to.
	And then when you're 37, and then when you're 40, and then you're 41, and then when you're 52, and then what?
	I mean, what is your goal?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Maybe I'll get married late in life.
	I don't know.
	How do you think marriage happens?
	You think you just get married?
	You find a guy, then you pick him.
	Don't men decide marriage?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So, again, I don't want to harp on you, but.
	I don't know.
	I'm just, you know, I'm just doing it with basically my best friend right now.
	And I wish that he would have been my boyfriend early on, but then I, you know, it's, I don't know if that's going to happen.
	Yeah, but see, that's where I'm saying, like, with the things you say versus your action.
	It's just very interesting because on one side, you're like, I don't really care if me and him become super serious.
	But then you say stuff like, but I wish we would have became, like, I wish he was my boyfriend.
	Or, and you, and you actually said the whole thing.
	And you actually said that if he was down to be your boyfriend and committed now, you would accept it.
	You said that.
	Did I say that?
	Yeah.
	I think the main point everyone's trying to get across is that we think that you deserve better, you know?
	Because I personally wouldn't want to be in that situation.
	I don't think anyone else would be.
	So we're trying to just make it in a situation where we think you deserve better and we think you can find better.
	Yes, that's literally the point.
	When it comes to dating, you're acting like an NPC.
	Maybe I am.
	Yeah.
	I accept it.
	I don't know.
	You got to want more for yourself, maybe.
	I know, I do.
	I want to be married someday.
	I'm going to feel like I've completely wasted my life if I'm not married someday.
	I'm just not.
	I'm not, I don't have a timeline on that whatsoever.
	Timeline.
	That's fine.
	All right.
	I don't know if we're going to understand each other.
	Yeah, in life, yes.
	Okay, then.
	Just in general in life, I feel like I could be happier, though.
	Do you think, like, if you like put yourself out, they're more like go to like different events and stuff like that?
	Yeah, that's something that I don't do.
	And she said, just closed off.
	Just like, I got, I've been, I'm busy.
	I keep myself busy with work.
	I like to sleep a lot.
	I, you know, I definitely should be going out and doing stuff.
	I just haven't pulled the trigger on that yet, you know?
	I definitely think he's taking advantage of you for sure.
	Like I said, I like doing it.
	So it has nothing to do with it.
	It's really a beneficial thing.
	It's not even about the sex.
	It's just like the fact that you are so complacent with his behavior and he doesn't feel any sort of guilt is a huge representation of his like, sense of character and even how faithful, and even how faithful he is to Christ.
	Because, like a man, a man, a man who believes in God is very different than a man who fears God, and he does not fear God.
	I completely agree with you on that.
	Like he contradicts himself even more than I do, contradicts myself.
	I mean, like he does, he goes to freaking Bible study and he can't keep it in his pants even.
	Isn't that pretty freaking basic?
	Have he taken you to Bible study with him?
	I haven't asked to go.
	I mean, if I did, he he would.
	It's just he's waiting for you to lead him on that.
	I don't know.
	I haven't talked to him about you know his religion and things.
	Well, it sounds like he's not really taking it seriously.
	I mean, does it sound like I am not really rude?
	So nearly on the same page?
	So wait, one thing, let's try not to talk over each other because it's bad for the audio, but it sounds like you're being used a bit and I think that's the point that we're trying to get across, even if you don't care, and he doesn't care.
	That's just, I guess, what we're all trying to say, and we think you deserve better.
	Yeah, like we're trying to get you to see like he's he's, what he's doing is just so not okay and you accepting it is so not okay.
	That's the part that's not okay.
	Yeah, I'll think about it ladies, I'll think about some.
	To start right.
	Well, I have a question for you guys.
	Name a continent, starting with you, Africa okay Europe Antarctica, America.
	Which one?
	North South William's supposed to say one next yeah, speaking to the night into the mic, please Antarctica.
	Well, Antarctica was already said.
	Who said that?
	Me sorry, there's a couple more, the Americas, America.
	Okay.
	Oh gosh.
	South America.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Australia.
	Okay, next.
	There's one more.
	Did anyone say Asia yet?
	No, Asia.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Name three countries starting with you.
	Oh, gosh.
	Italy, Ireland, France.
	Okay, no repeating, by the way.
	Montenegro, North Macedonia, Moldova.
	Okay.
	Chad, Chile, and Heidi.
	U.S.
	Oh, my God.
	It's so crazy.
	I know that.
	I know them, but they're being put on.
	The spot is so crazy.
	Three countries: Brazil, the U.S., New Zealand.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh, man.
	It's so crazy.
	Like, you know it.
	Yeah, and I just don't think about it on a consistent basis.
	Okay, Colombia, Portugal.
	Turkey.
	Okay.
	Questionable.
	Questionable.
	No, those are countries.
	Okay, next.
	Nigeria, Algeria, Morocco.
	Okay.
	Japan.
	Let's see.
	Someone say Paraguay.
	I think very, very random ones.
	Dang, I would have to be last.
	There's so many.
	Okay.
	Canada.
	Okay.
	What's 34 plus 66?
	Oh, come on.
	Everybody at one point.
	Go in order.
	100.
	One at a time.
	100.
	I'm not good at math at all.
	Like, really?
	Oh.
	She said it.
	She said it, yeah.
	You're supposed to go.
	Oh, she heard it in order.
	Well, she did hear it because she repeated it.
	Oh, yeah.
	You gotta make it clear.
	One.
	Well, I said that.
	I said that.
	No, no, you gotta be like you, you, you.
	I think it was understood.
	I think she just said it.
	Yeah, it started.
	I'll try better, harder.
	Okay.
	You got her in trouble.
	Yeah, you got me.
	You got me in travel.
	Can you pick different numbers?
	No.
	Okay, no.
	I'm going to find.
	Brian, where's my questions?
	Do you want me to just do these ones?
	What is the minimum yearly income?
	What is the yearly minimum income for your husband?
	Or you'd want to be for your husband?
	Would want to be for my husband?
	Yeah.
	Like $100K.
	Okay.
	$45,000.
	Okay.
	$100K.
	I don't care at all.
	$10K?
	Yeah.
	Five?
	I mean, employed.
	Yeah.
	Bare minimum employed.
	Yeah.
	So you can make $1K?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Probably like $80 to $100 average.
	Okay.
	You said minimum, right?
	Minimum, yes.
	About $100.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Employed, but I'm just thinking, even if it's minimum wage for whatever state we live in, that's fine.
	So it's like $60K here, I think.
	Are you from California?
	I live in Oklahoma.
	Oh, I don't know.
	It's low.
	Sorry, not their minimum wage, actually.
	Yeah, it's like $7,000.
	Yeah, not the actual minimum wage.
	Everybody, pretty much everybody gets paid $15 now, though.
	You know, even at McDonald's, so that $15 an hour, whatever that equates to.
	Okay.
	How tall are you, and what is the minimum height of a man you would date?
	5'4 and probably minimum height.
	I mean, I've dated shorter, but probably 5'8 now.
	Okay.
	I'm 5'3 and 5'9 would be my minimum.
	Okay.
	I'm 5'5, 5'8 would be my minimum.
	5'5 and 6' my minimum.
	Okay.
	5'3, I'm okay with like 5'10 and up at least.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I'm 6' and I'm married and have a husband, so I don't even not answer this question.
	How tall are you?
	How tall is your husband?
	Like 6'1.
	Okay.
	So you guys are like the same in height almost.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I'm 5'2 and I mean the shortest guy I've been with was 5'4 and I mean that's yeah to define height for me.
	So my mother.
	Okay.
	This is like looks different.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	A bear.
	Okay.
	I'll come back to you.
	A bear.
	A man.
	A bear.
	A man.
	I struggle with this hypothetical and it's not for the reasons that you think.
	I could do any hypothetical.
	This one's just really hard for me to get an answer.
	So I can I pass or not?
	No, just say it.
	I don't know.
	Close your eyes and say it.
	And I'm not scared of men.
	How are you going to fight a bear?
	I would love the bear.
	I would watch it.
	I would just let's get her answer.
	Okay.
	A man.
	Okay, so you, you, you.
	So bear.
	I didn't really say bear.
	I didn't say bear.
	I didn't see a man, though.
	You didn't say man, so I just need more information when it comes to totally random.
	You're on a hike, like random hike trail.
	Okay.
	It's a big time when you typically go hiking and you see, would you rather see a man crossing your path or a bear?
	Oh, a man.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you guys understood the hypothetical, right?
	I posted hard.
	And you still pick bear.
	So why do you pick bear?
	I mean, I've seen a lot of stuff like online, like attacks on like women and stuff.
	And honestly, like bear attacks?
	Not bear attacks, like attacks from like man and woman, like, you know, that stuff.
	And it's like, it's scary.
	It's disturbing and stuff.
	And it's like, I don't know, the hypothetical of like a man or a bear, I feel like.
	I don't know.
	Just I personally would rather do the bear.
	You never know what a man can do, you know?
	Well, you know what a bear can do for sure.
	I know what a bear can do.
	I don't know what a man can do.
	I think that's the scary part.
	You never know what a man can do, but you know what a bear can do.
	Well, I mean, we pass men on the street every day, and it's like, imagine one of those is who you're passing by.
	It's like, he's not going to do anything because they don't do anything when you pass by them typically.
	Yeah, but if you're alone, like on a hike.
	Have you been on a hike before?
	I've been on a hike.
	Okay.
	Did you pass anyone?
	Yeah.
	Like men?
	Yeah, but if I were like alone on a hike in like the dark, then that's not the dark.
	That's not the dark.
	And it's like, it painted the picture.
	Yeah, and then one of the last time I was on here, the girls were like, well, what if I was hiking at 3 a.m. and in my head, I'm like, it's like, if you're hiking at 3 a.m., you're kind of part of the problem at that point.
	Like, I don't want to hike when it's dark.
	I want to hike when like the sun is out and I can see the sun shining through the trees and it's beautiful.
	Like dark, you know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, in my hometown, there was an incident where like a girl was on a hike and she did get attacked by a guy.
	So I think that's why I personally picked the bear because it's like, that's like something that really close happened to me.
	So, you know?
	I feel like those people are not going to be able to do that.
	Did we have an explanation for why she, why do you pick bear?
	Because I love animals.
	Oh, I love men too, but I like really love animals.
	Do you think a bear would love you?
	Okay, how about that?
	What if we change it like saber-tooth tiger or man?
	Oh, that would be so cool.
	So die or man?
	Die or man.
	Are we getting attacked by the animal or is it just passing by?
	Can we watch it?
	There are certain animals that are more aggressive than others.
	I think bears can leave you alone, but also they would attack you.
	I mean, what if we just change it to polar bear, which are insanely aggressive?
	I would be very still, and then I'd watch it.
	And I think that would probably be the coolest experience of my life.
	And get married.
	I obviously wouldn't want to be attacked by it, so I would choose a man if the attack was imminent.
	Well, no, so in this scenario, in the same way that you don't know what the man will do, you don't know what the bear will do.
	So it's possible the bear does nothing.
	It's possible the man does nothing.
	It's possible the man does something.
	It's possible the bear does something.
	I would take my chances with a bear because if not, it's the coolest experience.
	Yeah.
	If not, it's the coolest experience of my life watching the bear.
	And if not, I got.
	You've been to the X games and the warp tour.
	What the fuck?
	Seeing a bear is going to be.
	I love animals.
	I don't know.
	I love animals.
	So I'd love to.
	I'd love to watch it.
	What about if it was in an elevator?
	Then a man.
	Okay, so what changes?
	My ability to escape.
	I can't outrun a bear.
	I know that.
	But why do you think you need to escape?
	Do you think the man's going to hurt you?
	No, not at all.
	So then why are you picking the big one?
	Because I can outrun a man.
	I can't outrun a man.
	Okay, but why do you think you need to outrun him to begin with?
	If I needed to, I could.
	Which is why.
	If I were being attacked by a bear, I could not outrun it, so I would die.
	But if I were being attacked by a man, I more than likely would.
	So you think there's a chance the man will attack you?
	No.
	I think you and Brian should race.
	Nice.
	Like a foot race?
	Yeah, you said you could outrun a man.
	I want to see that.
	We have a message here from Metro Matt.
	Chair 4.
	Tell your ex Danny, I love his snowboarding stuff.
	Danny?
	That's not his name, but I do know.
	They're trying.
	They're trying.
	They're trying to find.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's funny.
	Awkward.
	No, it's not.
	It's not.
	Okay.
	So, okay, I'm not going to linger too long on this bear thing, but just really quick, I guess, at least for you, is there a component of, well, yes, both the man and the bear could kill me.
	And even if it is the case that the bear, there's a higher probability that a, I guess on a per capita basis, that the bear is more likely to kill me than a man, the man, if he was malevolent, would like torture me, rape me, et cetera.
	Is that kind of part of the calculus?
	Yeah.
	And I don't know if you're just trolling with that.
	I like bears or whatever.
	No, no, no.
	If anyone who knows me knows, I'm a huge animal lover.
	Like, I really love animals a lot more than I do people.
	To the mic.
	Well, I also enjoy animals, but I don't do so at my own peril.
	So in this case, I'm a bit confused.
	There are environments in which you can encounter animals not in the wild.
	In this case, you opt to, in the wild, encounter a wild bear over like some dude who's also on the hike.
	I didn't know it was going to be this deep, but okay, then I would definitely choose a man than I would a bear.
	But I think that would be such a cool experience.
	Very rare.
	Okay.
	Well, I guess on the bear thing really quick.
	So to be clear, though, your answer is definitively bear.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If I reframe the question a little bit, and can I ask you, you've heard anecdotes.
	I think you mentioned there was a story in your hometown where a woman was assaulted or something, right?
	A terrible thing, right?
	Absolutely terrible thing.
	And there's no dispute or doubt that these things absolutely happen to women.
	They happen all the time.
	And it's a terrible thing.
	And then you might also say, well, men, you know, we don't know much about bear.
	Well, we know some about bears, but you would say that, well, there's crime statistics as it relates to, you know, men perpetrate this crime at this frequency.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you think, or would you have issue then, like, if somebody were to change it?
	And again, this isn't, just to be clear, throwing out this is a hypothetical to test the logic.
	This isn't my position.
	I feel like it's fair I give that, what's the term for it?
	Whatever, it doesn't matter.
	If we were to change the scenario and we were to change it to, we were to ask a white person, would you rather come across a bear or a black person?
	And the person picks bear instead of black person.
	Would you think that that sort of response would be indicative of some racist sentiment?
	I mean, I feel like there's always like those like rooted things and stuff.
	It's like they're going to pick something because they don't want to like come off as like offensive or anything, even though that's not their like.
	No, but they pick the bear over the black person.
	They'd say, oh, well, oh, oh, I see what you mean.
	Yeah, they're like, no, no, no.
	Oh, I don't want to be, I don't want to come across somebody on a hike.
	I pick the bear.
	Would if you heard that answer given, would you jump to, whoa, that sounds kind of racist?
	I feel like there's like a little like tweak in like everyone's brain, or at least majority of people's brain that would like be like, hmm, like, why'd they, why'd they pick the bear?
	Why would they pick the bear over?
	Exactly.
	But like, they didn't have, it probably didn't.
	I personally wouldn't want it to come across that way, obviously.
	But I feel like those systemic racisms and stuff like that were like decades ago and like still exist to this day.
	And, you know.
	Well, yeah, I don't, there's no dispute that racism still exists, but would you think, not saying you would pick that, I'm saying, say there was another person at this table and I asked that question and they answered, like, you may very well be like, no, of course, I'd rather come across a black person.
	Yeah.
	But if somebody else answered bear over coming across a black person, would you think, hmm, that's a bit problematic?
	Sorry, I'm thinking.
	I mean, I wouldn't say it's problematic.
	I don't think so.
	I mean, like, I'm looking at it at the same rate, you know, a man versus like, like a white man versus like a black man.
	I feel like it's.
	He didn't say man.
	He's a black person.
	Black person.
	Okay, then.
	Yeah, so the I would think of it a little bit differently.
	Right.
	The reason that the, it's not that it's a man.
	Like in this scenario, it could be just a black person.
	Yeah.
	A black woman or a black man.
	And it's not the fact that it could, there's a 50% chance it could be a black man.
	The determination is not on gender.
	The determination is on race.
	So under this circumstance, would you be like a little bit racist, you know?
	I don't, I don't, I mean, like, I'm not in the person's like head, so like, I'm not entirely, like, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but like.
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Hmm.
	What if we were to change this scenario?
	Let's say it's you're talking to one of your girlfriends and she maybe, do you have roommates or housemates?
	I have housemates.
	Yeah.
	And like your girlfriend, she just gets home and she's like, oh yeah, I was out and it was, it's dark.
	It's dark.
	She's like, you know, I was walking home and there were like these three guys, not race, just three men.
	And I just felt a bit uncomfortable, so I crossed the street.
	Yeah.
	And nothing happened, but I crossed the street and I'm here now.
	Everything's fine.
	And you'd be like, oh, okay.
	Fine, right?
	Now, if she relayed that back to you a bit differently and she said, well, I saw three black people and then I crossed the street.
	Would you be like, whoa.
	I'd be a little iffy.
	I'd be like, a little interesting.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	So with this bear thing, I think, by the way, I think the answer in any, at least my take, the answer in any scenario should be you should pick the man, you should pick the black person instead of the bear.
	But because, like, for example, if it, for the bear one, if you were like, if they pick the bear over a black person, I feel like that might be a bit racist.
	And the same reasons you gave for why you pick the bear over the black person.
	What is stopping like a white racist person from saying, well, I had one or two bad experiences with a black person.
	And here, here's some crime statistics that show that there are certain crimes that are committed more by certain races, right?
	And then they now use that as justification for like broad for their racism.
	Like it's a hard topic to go by, you know?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Food for thought, though.
	Yeah.
	Food for thought.
	I guess the point we're trying to get at is, and this goes beyond just the bear scenario, there does seem to be certain statements that are deemed acceptable if they're directed in, well, it goes two ways, in the direction of men, and if they're in the direction of white people.
	But I'll keep it strictly relating to men.
	So women will say things like, men are trash.
	But then if the same thing, if you were to say it about, well, women, for example, if you were to say women are trash, this would come across as like a really misogynistic, very sexist thing to say.
	But then I think the real enlightening part, if we change, if there's any ever a situation where we say men are ex or something about men or even something about, well, let's just keep it with men.
	And then you take men out of the statement and then you implement, you put in black person or Latino or woman and it becomes racist or it becomes sexist, then you start to have to wonder, well, was the original statement then sexist towards men?
	But I think there's a lot of hand-waving and social acceptance of misandry.
	So misandry, it's kind of the counterpart of misogyny.
	Misogyny, prejudice, or hatred of women, misandery, prejudice, or hatred of men.
	So the bear thing kind of brings this to light in the sense that we can make these determinations, we can say these things about men, creating a sort of social stigma or an acceptance of anti-male rhetoric that really doesn't exist in the opposite direction.
	Yeah.
	And that's kind of what everything he said is what I was thinking when you used that example.
	And like, there's actually someone I know who does this similar thing where she'll use one example to create a whole umbrella.
	And I think if you start diving into the core, you start realizing that like just because one person has one experience, that doesn't mean it's like the grand idea.
	Yeah, I think that's fair to say for sure.
	Okay.
	And like, because I think, so I think there's no doubt that women do have bad experiences with men.
	I'm not trying to downplay that at all.
	It should absolutely be acknowledged.
	However, I think something that I see happening a lot online, but also in person, is, again, there's no doubt women do have these bad experiences with men, but women will say things: men are terrible, men are trash,
	Men are, we've had women come on the show, men are apex predators, men are XYZ, or they're arguing to justify their anti-male rhetoric, their misandery, their sexism, whatever.
	And they'll say, well, hold on, it's justified because I had a bad experience, or well, not I, but the woman in question will say, I had a bad experience with the man, maybe a really bad experience with a man, or even multiple men.
	And then, well, men commit these crimes more often than women do.
	And they might, they may not even be wrong, right?
	There is a disproportionality as it relates to certain crimes.
	Men do commit certain crimes more than women, although I would say it's a very small proportion of men.
	But the trouble you get yourself in with this kind of rhetoric, not you specifically, you seem quite, you don't seem like super toxic or anything.
	But there is a lot of talk.
	There is a lot of like anti-male toxicity out there.
	The trouble you then get yourself in is if your justification for this viewpoint towards men is I've had bad experience and here's crime statistics, there's nothing preventing like white nationalists or like white people who are racist to say, well, I had a bad experience with a black person.
	Now my racism is justified, which I think is wrong.
	Or here's this crime statistic.
	Black people do this crime more often than white people or whatever.
	Or, you know, what you could also do it in other ways.
	Like if you're an Asian person, white people commit this crime more than Asian people.
	I'm now going to be, and I had a bad experience with a white person.
	I'm going to be anti-white.
	So that's just the thing I think people should look out for.
	Because I think it is a bit of a blind spot because I think there's not really any much pushback when we're talking about men or white people.
	Yeah, and I've even heard women say, like, especially on social media, that the world would be a better place without men when men are really one of the biggest foundations of just the existence of society, essentially.
	But you don't hear people saying like, if there was no bears, you know what I'm saying?
	It's always if there was no men, the world would be a better place.
	But, you know, it just woke mind virus.
	Yeah.
	It's such a ridiculous thing to say.
	What do you think, though?
	About like.
	Well, I mean, she brought up an interesting one.
	Do you think, for example, do you think the world would be a better place without men?
	No, I don't really think so.
	I feel like that's a good thing.
	Like if you could snap your finger and like all men had to go on some island or something and women could just, I don't know, free for all.
	Have their own society, would you do it?
	No, like, not all men are bad, obviously.
	Like, there's definitely like majority of men are good.
	Just.
	But you would still take the bear.
	You said majority of men are good.
	I know, but after like what he explained and stuff, obviously, like, I didn't think of it that way first, you know?
	So open mind, open mind.
	Yeah, growth.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, changed her mind.
	Maybe that.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Not entirely, but like I definitely see his point of view.
	Yeah.
	So would you still do the bear?
	Are you a little bit more open to having a man go by you at this point?
	That's a good question.
	Not.
	Close your eyes and say it.
	Right?
	Just think of it.
	I like and you'll get it.
	Well, like, realistically speaking, probably a man.
	But I understand exactly what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	You're not crazy.
	But like when he broke it down, most men are good men.
	And if you randomly came upon a man in the forest, you're not going to think he's going to harm you.
	Yeah, and honestly, I'd like to think that most men would probably come to aid if necessary, especially like you have to think again when it comes to even a biological aspect.
	Like men are built stronger to protect.
	There's a reason for that.
	So just take that into consideration as well.
	So, and I don't know if you have brothers or anything like that, but imagine if like women thought that way about your brother, you know.
	So, well said.
	Thank you.
	Although, to Brian's question, if I was walking down the street and I saw a gang of men, white, black, Asian, I would go the other way or not.
	Yes, regardless of race.
	And that's just because they might cat call or even like, like, there's certain things that as a woman, I understand, like, especially if you're built a certain way.
	I don't really want to walk by a group of men anyway, because they might look, I just, if I can have any sense of like control in that way, but do I think that they're going to gang up on me and like put me in an alley?
	No.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes you just like never know what they might do.
	So it like, I guess you are like risking that chance.
	And, you know, I'm going to move it on, but question going around the table.
	What you said you're pre-law or what?
	Pre-law.
	So you want to be a lawyer?
	Yeah.
	Well, not, I would preferably not like a defense attorney or anything.
	I kind of want to be a prosecutor.
	You want to be prosecuted?
	Yeah.
	Figuring it out.
	Criminal law, but on the prosecution side.
	Yes.
	Question for you.
	Would you give up your career college for the perfect man?
	No.
	Perfect man.
	No.
	So he could make he could be a billionaire.
	And like all the traits that you would look for, you get them.
	You give it up.
	Yep.
	A billionaire?
	No.
	I mean, I've always been, I've been raised like very independently.
	My mom always like constantly reminded me, like, be independent, like, have your own savings account, have your own 401k, stuff like that.
	And I, I mean, like, I'm in college right now.
	I wouldn't, I worked hard to get here.
	You know, I did my college apps and stuff.
	I did like all this academics.
	Are you junior?
	I'm a sophomore.
	Sophomore.
	Yeah.
	And huh.
	You've already declared your major.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yeah, they're still together.
	Still together.
	Okay.
	Does your mom work?
	Does she have a job?
	Yeah, she works.
	Okay.
	Your dad too?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Not even for the perfect man.
	But question: have you been, you said you've been single for two years.
	Have you been dating at all?
	In the past two years?
	Yeah.
	Like any situationships or anything like that?
	Like a few here and there, but what do you think about the men at UCSB?
	They're okay.
	Are you in a sorority?
	I'm an assori, yeah.
	Okay.
	The frat guys, well, you know, you know them.
	They're fun.
	They're fun, not for long-term things.
	Right.
	That's okay.
	Like.
	Would it be fair to say that there's not a lot of perfect men out there?
	I don't, I mean, I always have the mindset that like no one's perfect.
	Right, no one exists.
	No one's perfect.
	But so imagine to get to actually get perfect.
	It doesn't even exist, right?
	Yeah, I mean, like, I can't even define like what a perfect man would be.
	I can't even define what a perfect woman could be.
	Help you out a little bit on that.
	So like when I think of perfect, at least I guess this would be from more of a female perspective.
	Well, I mean, it would really be anybody's perspective, but you could think, okay, what are the things that you care about and find attractive in a person?
	So obviously, everybody cares about looks.
	So whatever, like in terms of looks, we just completely maximize all those characteristics you care about, whether it's facial features, whether it's height, whether it's build, if you prefer a more athletic guy.
	So like perfect body, perfect face, perfect height.
	Then we can get into personality.
	Perfectly loyal.
	That's actually really big.
	You've heard from a woman here.
	She's in her 30s and can't get a loyal dude.
	I know it's one thing, you know, and you're in college.
	People are just, you know, a lot of people are maybe not in a huge rush to get into some super serious boyfriend, girlfriend thing.
	I've heard this from a lot of younger women.
	It's like, yeah, the guys kind of just want to hook up.
	A lot of them don't want a relationship.
	And to be fair, some of the women also don't want that too.
	But perfectly loyal.
	So there's never this perfect guy, he would never cheat on you.
	He's obsessed with you.
	He would never, well, obsessed in, I guess, in a healthy way, right?
	Not in a weird, stalker, creepy, gonna murder you way.
	He treats you perfectly.
	All the things that you would want in him personality-wise.
	Maybe he's funny, maybe he's charismatic, he's a protector, et cetera, et cetera.
	And then perfect could also entail he's like obscenely rich, he's a billionaire.
	So in this case, you just from the financial component, you'd never have to work again.
	But the only thing you would have to do in this situation to get him is to give up your career.
	I still wouldn't.
	Still don't do the trade?
	Let's have you back on in 10 years after.
	By the way, just to be clear, look, I mean, look, I think people can get enjoyment and fulfillment from their careers.
	But a lot of attorneys, it's a stressful job.
	By the way, the alcoholism rate amongst attorneys is higher than the general population.
	Just letting you know.
	And then also, as a prosecutor, while you are going to be part of the justice system and bringing criminals to justice, and I think that's a commendable thing, you're also going to, it's a very stressful job and you're going to be dealing with monsters.
	Yeah.
	And I think there's, what's that saying?
	Gaze long enough into the abyss and the abyss gazes back at you.
	So when you deal with these monsters, I think that can have an impact.
	Like you're, I don't know, you're going to be dealing with fucking child preds and all this kind of fucking disgusting, fucking gross people, right?
	Yep.
	Or just like, I don't know, then like pretty benign stuff too, like DUIs and this sort of thing, right?
	But I do think like it's got to be a stressful job and I don't know.
	Is it worth it, you know?
	I mean, I've, like I said, I've always been brought up to be my own person and like never rely on someone.
	It doesn't even have to be a man.
	Just don't rely on anyone because the only person that's going to actually be there for you is you as a person.
	So I feel like I should be making my own money.
	I should be pursuing my own career.
	I want to do what I want to do.
	And I know that I want to pursue this career.
	I wouldn't want to drop it for like even the perfect guy.
	Can I ask you this?
	Let's say somebody were not even related to a guy.
	Somebody said, here's $100 million.
	In order to have this $100 million, which you can spend as you please, it's 100% your money.
	And you will, you can travel with it.
	But here's the catch.
	You can't work.
	And you have to drop out of college.
	But you have $100 million.
	You can give it to, you can be a philanthropist.
	You can give it away.
	But you can travel, do whatever you want to do, right?
	Do you take it then?
	No.
	A billion dollars.
	You never know what can happen.
	I mean, you can easily just like, you know how people in like the lottery and stuff, like they get all this money and stuff and then they waste it like that.
	Like, you never know what can happen.
	Like, I could get this money and then I don't work at all, you know?
	And then somehow it just blows through, you know, in that situation.
	You, 100 million.
	Look, some of these lottery winners, a couple mil, yeah, they blow through it.
	I mean, if you're, you seem like a smart person, you seem like you have your head on straight.
	Like, I don't know, do you, are you drug addicted or something?
	Do I look drug addicted?
	Well, I mean, like, what?
	I feel like, what, are you going to buy a bunch of hookers or something?
	What are you going to do with 100 mil?
	Like, how are you going to blow through 100 mil?
	Well, exactly.
	I don't know what I would do with it.
	Like, I don't know.
	I like the yachts.
	You're going to put, like, well, I mean, you put some of it into the stock market.
	You put some of it into crypto.
	And then you can, you'll be fine.
	Like, you're not going to blow through 100 mil.
	I guess, but I don't know.
	Do you like fancy cars or something?
	I like working.
	I like the idea of pushing towards something better as always.
	So only if you work will you be able to have any type of drive or push in life?
	Not like that.
	Do you want kids?
	No.
	Or, I mean, I'm 19.
	I don't know yet.
	Not now.
	Not now, but in the future, would you?
	Do you want to be like married with kids, a family, things like that?
	I'm not entirely sure yet.
	I've actually been talking about that with my friends because I don't know, we're teenage girls, you know.
	It's kind of like a hard topic to go off of, obviously, like children are expensive.
	And like, I don't know if I would be the best motherly figure in the world.
	I don't know.
	I don't know myself as a, like, well enough as a person in that like area of life yet.
	Because that's, that's a huge commitment, you know what I mean?
	So the idea seems nice, but I'm not entirely sure.
	Married, then yeah, I would want to get married, but I don't know about a family.
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	What's up, Grid?
	Evening, Brixon.
	Had a free moment, so I thought I would drop in for a few.
	My wife and I celebrate 20 years of marriage tomorrow.
	I wish all these young women such happiness, but they won't let it.
	Hey, Grid, congrats on the 20 years, man.
	That's a big milestone.
	Congratulations, man.
	Thank you for tuning in.
	You should stay.
	We've got a good panel, so stay watching, man.
	And then Pendragon, looks like you bought a hoodie.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for buying a hoodie from shop.whatever.com.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so not even related to the guy, but even if somebody just offers you a billion dollars, you don't take it.
	No.
	Okay, we're going to do a follow-up with you.
	Absolutely.
	I'll come back in time.
	Seven years, ten years.
	We'll do a check-in.
	We have related to this.
	Actually, really quick before we pull up the video, and you'll go on video tab for this, Nick.
	Not quite yet.
	Going around the table, same question for, well, the first question.
	Would you give up your career, or I don't know if any of you are still doing college with it, give up your career for the perfect man who makes a million dollars a year?
	Yes.
	So I think it would depend on why he's wanting me to give up the career, to be honest.
	If he's wanting me to just give up my career and sit in the house because he doesn't want me to leave the house, no.
	If he's wanting me to give up a career to take care of the kids and to stay home and take over the household, yes.
	Pretty much that, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, give up the career.
	Yeah, take it.
	I did, yes.
	You did?
	Is your husband a high earner?
	Yes, he is.
	He's a good earner.
	But I was pre-law as well, and I'm outspoken.
	I was a very, very good athlete in college in Texas.
	The sky was the limit for me.
	And whatever I would have been doing pales in comparison to what I do now.
	And there's not a tech big enough for me, anyways, for what I do.
	So my husband takes very good care of me, and he realizes the strength that he has and how easy I make his life.
	So he's happy to do whatever he can to help make my life easier every day, even though it's really hard for him to do that.
	But there's nothing that you could do that's more rewarding or hard or cumbersome or taxing or rewarding than raising a family in a household.
	There's nothing.
	Yeah, I think that it's just you're a really solid rib.
	I think being the rib of a man is actually a very powerful thing because a rib is what actually allows a man to stand upright.
	So, wait, question for you.
	So, did you graduated though?
	You?
	Oh, yes.
	Were you going to law school?
	Were you in law school or no, no, no?
	I was pre-I went and got my master's instead of going to law school.
	Master's in criminal justice.
	Okay.
	And you were wanting to be a prosecutor or what were you wanting to do?
	I was being an obedient Nigerian child and doing whatever I was told and trying to follow that path.
	Because that's what you're doing.
	Your mom, much like her, was telling you to go to school.
	My dad.
	Or your dad was.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Take care of yourself, make money, go to law school and marry one of your professors were his exact words.
	I believe so that somebody who was wealthy could take care of me and I can stay at home and have the option if I wanted to.
	Wait, what age were you when you met your now husband?
	I don't know how old I was.
	Maybe 21, 22.
	Did you guys meet in college?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	So you got your master's, though.
	Not just working on it, but you got the master's.
	Right.
	Okay.
	And then prior to meeting him, though, your plan was to go to law school.
	Is that correct?
	Prior to going to get my master's, I wanted to go to law school, but because I just, I kind of like chickened out, kind of.
	I didn't, I was like, oh, I'm just, I didn't have a lot of support.
	My parents are really strict.
	So I was like, I'm just going to go get my master's.
	My dad was like, what are you doing?
	Like, what are you going to do with the master's?
	It's ridiculous.
	And so anything I could do to get out of the house, I was like, let me go and just leave.
	And I'll go to school as long as I'm not having to deal with the pressure and the stress of not going to law school.
	I can just do something and maybe that'll make them happy.
	And it doesn't work that way.
	But you met your now husband and then your life trajectory changed from career to housewife, taking care of the kids.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, so you were studying pre-law.
	She's studying pre-law.
	What do you think?
	I think that her brain is malleable just based on the man versus bear.
	And she seems very intelligent.
	And she's very young.
	I don't think how I thought when I was 18, when I was 20, like there's just so many things that change.
	And when you get married and have children, you become smarter.
	You just become smarter.
	And I think moms can understand, not smarter, like you're not smart if you don't have kids, but your brain kind of functions differently.
	I would never have abandoned my potential career for a man, ever.
	Even while I was married, I was not thinking, I'm not going, I'm not going to not go to work.
	That happened over time where I was like, okay, we're going to stay home.
	And he's like, yeah, I think it's best to stay home.
	We work, we went through a process, and it just made sense for me to be the one rearing our children because it literally made no sense for us to outsource something when I could do it better.
	Yeah.
	Beautifully said.
	Yes.
	You're a real woman.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Being a mom is the hardest job.
	Well, track and feel.
	Yeah, I disagree with that too.
	Did you do hurdles?
	I was a jumper.
	My forte was jumping.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	I think we got.
	Did you answer this question?
	I didn't yet.
	I had to quit my job forever for a lot less than the perfect freaking man.
	Are you serious?
	Yeah.
	Here, how about this?
	Somebody offers you a job at the courthouse, but you're like the security person.
	Like, you know how at the courthouse you go through metal detectors and they're like, empty your pockets, blah, blah, whatever.
	You get, You have to give up your job, but they'll pay you a million dollars to be security at the courthouse.
	Do you do it?
	Like, give up my, so I'm a security guard.
	College and career.
	Oh, but you'll make way more doing that than you will being a prosecutor.
	I don't know.
	They make it varies, but like maybe eventually like 100, around 100,000, probably.
	I'm still supporting myself then.
	Yeah, probably.
	Like a million dollars?
	That's a lot.
	Like giving, like, giving up my college career to be a security guard.
	But you make a million dollars.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, I'd probably be a security guard if I'm making more money in that sense.
	Wait, wait.
	So you give it up to be the security guard.
	That's what I was about to say.
	Is that, do I have that correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But you don't give it up to not be a security guard?
	Like, like when I said, okay, we give you like, what was it, $100 million just right now?
	And you don't have to work, but you'll work in nine to five for the next 40 years.
	Wouldn't I be constantly making $100 million?
	Or am I getting the question?
	No, well, okay.
	First, it was, for the perfect man, do you give up your career?
	So it's the perfect man and he makes a million dollars a year.
	You said no.
	Then I asked, okay, if we just give you $100 million flat, but you can't do college, you can't do career, do you take it?
	You said no.
	Now it's for $1 million a year, will you be the security guard at the courthouse for a million dollars a year?
	So if you work for 40 years, you'd make 40 mil.
	So that's less than the 100 mil up front.
	Just to do nothing.
	Well, no, you are working security at the courthouse.
	I mean, like, not pursuing a career in the law or anything.
	Like, you rather work as a security guard.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	For 40 years.
	No, I wouldn't.
	I'd pursue my career in the law.
	Okay, so you thought initially you get the million dollars a year working as a security guard and you can become do your career, I guess?
	Yes.
	I just got the question mixed up.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	She's ambitious.
	Well, I mean, wouldn't it be more ambitious?
	Like, give me the 100 mil and I'll do some investing in stocks or something.
	She wants to work.
	I like studying law.
	You can do this.
	Oh, a video.
	Okay, go ahead, Nick.
	Pull it up.
	I was in college.
	I dated a very traditional Christian man who asked me at one point, how do you feel about after you graduated, we just immediately got married and you were a stay-at-home wife and you didn't have to work.
	I was honestly offended by that question because I was so passionate about this thing that I was getting a degree in that I was just so eager to enter the workforce and do this thing that I loved and get money for it.
	Fast forward to today, I've graduated.
	We broke up.
	I'm now working in the profession of the thing that I got her degree in.
	I changed my mind.
	I changed my mind.
	I know.
	I feel it.
	Is she joking?
	Oh, satire.
	Okay, so any thoughts there?
	I can't tell if she's being for real or not.
	I think.
	Why?
	I mean, she's kind of, I think she's putting it on a little bit, but I think the sentiment is still there.
	It's like, well, I went to college and yeah, I did the college and I have my own career.
	And it's not clear how long she's been doing the career.
	She still looks pretty young, so maybe just a couple years.
	Doesn't seem like she's having much of a blast, though.
	I think that's the sentiment there.
	Not so great.
	I literally said this the last time I was on, too.
	I was like, I'm so sick of being an independent woman.
	I don't want to do it.
	I don't like it.
	Like, I do really big canvases and tattoos.
	And let me tell you, I'd rather just paint whatever I want to paint all day and just not have to worry about paying bills, but being able to just do what I love just because I love it.
	You know, it's like, I'm good.
	The man can take the wheel.
	You don't want me to wear that bit.
	No problem.
	We, oh, next segment here.
	This is just a little fun one as a transition segment.
	Make a machine gun noise.
	I can't roll my Do it.
	Quick, quick, quick.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Okay, Felicity.
	No, you asked me to do this and I always say to do it.
	Do it.
	If I do it, are you doing it?
	Yeah.
	You're doing it first.
	Okay, you do it first.
	I don't trust you.
	I don't trust you.
	You do it first.
	Come on.
	You know, I'll do it.
	Do it.
	Come on.
	Do it.
	I'm going to do it.
	Do it.
	Okay, I do it a little different.
	It's like.
	Oh, my friend.
	That actually, that's more accurate.
	That makes sense.
	You guys actually did pretty good, except for I think you and you over here.
	Now it's real time.
	I think there's a thing, like they say women can't make machine gun noises, but you guys did it.
	So I don't know.
	Gamer moment.
	Come on, guys.
	Gamer moment.
	Good job, guys.
	That was really good.
	A win is a win.
	Okay, so we're going to get into, let's see, we're going to do some things from the questionnaire.
	Actually, you know what?
	Here, let me do my notes first.
	Let's see here.
	We have our first notes.
	Haley.
	Haley?
	Uh-oh.
	Haley.
	That'd be me.
	Okay.
	You said you have many dating stories, such as hooking up with someone who would not let you spend the night, so you had to walk hours to get home.
	Yeah.
	When was this?
	Oh, gosh.
	How long ago was this?
	Maybe like 10 years ago.
	So it's been a while.
	There's not Uber Lyft.
	I'm just not surprised.
	I was too broke.
	So I just met him on Tinder and it was just a hookup.
	And so I knew what I was getting into as far as that was concerned.
	We were on the same page.
	But I figured he'd just like, you know, usually, well, always a guy would let me stay the night before.
	You know, if I meet him and we do that, you know, it's just been a given that, you know, let me spend the flipping night.
	But not this guy.
	And I think it was maybe, okay, I lived in San Francisco, so all the trains had stopped running.
	You know, buses, even.
	What time of year?
	Was it like cold?
	Well, it doesn't even get that cold there, so I don't remember, but it could have been spring or something.
	It was too cold to be walking home.
	And so when he wouldn't do that, and oh, you know what he said?
	That was so great.
	I'm like, really?
	I can't even just like sleep here.
	And he says, well, it's just, you know, I don't really know you.
	So I don't know.
	I feel like, okay, hold on, hold on.
	Let me ask clarifying questions to figure this out.
	Okay, so you met on Tinder.
	Yeah.
	Did you go out first or did you go straight to his house?
	No, this was business.
	I don't do that anymore, but I did.
	Unfortunately, back in the day, you go straight to his house, and then as soon as you walk through the door, like from walking through the door to having sex, how much period of time has elapsed?
	From walking through the door.
	I don't remember that much.
	I don't think we even watched a movie.
	He might have put something on.
	And then we talked to him.
	Yeah, we should have chatted a little bit, but I don't think it was more than not more than 30 minutes.
	It was pretty fast.
	And then was it just one round, or did you guys kick it for a bit after?
	I would say we finished and then we talk a little bit, but mostly he's trying to be like, well, I'm getting tired.
	You know, I got to work in the morning.
	How long total were you at the house?
	Dang, this is so long ago.
	I can't remember.
	One hour, two hours.
	Let's go with two hours tops.
	Two hours tops.
	Yeah.
	Well, because you were saying, well, within about 30 minutes, you guys started having sex.
	I mean, come on, he's not fucking going forever, right?
	So five minutes it lasted or something like that.
	Is that how long you last?
	No, I'm just fucking around.
	I like taking it slow, you know.
	I'm not like on a mission trying to, you know, reach the end post there.
	So I like to take my time.
	How long did it?
	So did you take an Uber there?
	How did you get there?
	I took that day, I think it was just Cal train, and it was still running, like the last one probably that I took.
	So you went over there around like 9 p.m. or something for safe distance?
	Yeah, it was pretty late.
	You just expected to stay at his house?
	Yeah.
	I've never done that.
	I feel like I'm always like, if I'm like, well, I've also never hooked up with a guy at his house.
	But like if I'm.
	She does it in the parking lot.
	No, like bathroom stalls.
	No, no.
	7-Eleven.
	Oval office.
	The dumpster behind the side.
	Like with my ex-boyfriend, when we were like first starting to date, I'd be like, okay, I'm going to go home now.
	Bye.
	I mean, hang out for the day, and then I would just leave.
	Good.
	Because I wanted to.
	I don't know.
	I was never like, I'm staying at your house.
	It's not like I wanted to hang out with this.
	But okay, so did you.
	Okay, so you took the train there.
	Yeah.
	And then the train, by the time you finished, by the way, was it any good or not really?
	I don't remember.
	I mean, I wasn't even drinking, so no.
	You were sober?
	I was sober.
	It was also registered.
	It's not memorable.
	They're very relevant.
	Be quiet, Felicity.
	So, anyways.
	So, okay.
	Do you tell him?
	Are you like, look, it's like 11 a.m. 11 a.m.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I wasn't.
	I like at first I was just surprised.
	You're like, really?
	Just I can't just sleep, you know, until this train starts running again.
	That's it.
	You know, you don't need to make me breakfast or anything crazy.
	I didn't think that was a big ask.
	I mean, did you ask him for to like get you an Uber or something?
	No.
	Oh, no.
	That's not surprising.
	I would ask.
	At that point, look, I think it's fair for a guy to like, in the same way that if a woman's like, I don't want you in my house anymore, the guy should probably leave.
	I think that has to be police women too.
	There has to be some consideration, though, like if it was a snowstorm outside and you're like, hey, I'm going to fucking die if I have to walk home or whatever.
	In this case, SF is, I don't think it's a particularly safe city.
	So he didn't offer to drive me.
	Wait, so wait, what part of SF was he in?
	And then where were you in?
	Oakland or some shit?
	Because you should not be walking around in fucking Oakland.
	So at the time, no, we lived in good neighborhoods.
	I lived in Millbray, which is, nobody's probably heard of this.
	Millbrae.
	Yeah, it's G-H. Burlingame.
	Okay, Millbrae to where?
	Millbrae to.
	Okay, it was a four-hour walk, so four hours south of where I was.
	I don't remember the exact city.
	His house was in Millbray.
	No, no, I lived in Millbray.
	Okay, where was he?
	It was.
	I don't remember the city name.
	Wait, Nick, can you, Nick, Google the Google Maps?
	We want to see the fucking distance this she fucking walked.
	Yeah, I'd be able to point on a map.
	Tell us the general area of where he was in San Francisco.
	So this is all kind of the southern bay, maybe like halfway to San Jose from.
	So wait, he was in San Jose.
	No.
	Oh, I know.
	I lived in Millbray, and then where was he lately?
	South?
	Millbrae, almost.
	South.
	South.
	South where?
	Of Millbrae.
	It's all it's all San Francisco Bay is like this.
	It's just probably not that far apart.
	We walk at like two miles per hour.
	It's probably just like eight miles away because we don't walk that far.
	But it took me four hours to walk.
	No, no, no.
	It's not like a distance.
	It's probably like eight miles.
	Yeah, that's like eight miles.
	Yeah, in between.
	Just a fest.
	Claim donated $200.
	Nothing better than some women being delusional.
	Stay at home mom isn't work.
	Guessing most of this panel would rather be supported than earn anything.
	Easy question.
	What is minus 40 Celsius to Far Hennett?
	Fahrenheit.
	I know the answer.
	Starting with you, I guess.
	Okay.
	What's the question?
	I don't remember my conversation.
	I think it's zero.
	I don't.
	It's right there.
	Do you see it?
	What is negative 40 Celsius to Fahrenheit?
	I don't, I don't know.
	Negative 40.
	Zero?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	That's the only point where the two meet.
	Celsius Fahrenheit.
	Click that arrow.
	Wait, wait, please show us.
	Go ahead.
	No, but hide that thing on the.
	No, no, no.
	Do you see the arrow where it says partly cloudy?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, NC closes.
	Yeah, sure.
	Well.
	Hold on.
	No, go back.
	There was an air.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	That's all right.
	Do you have it?
	Okay, click on Milbrae.
	Gotta go down a little bit.
	Because when I say San Francisco, I just mean the whole of San Francisco Bay.
	There, Millbrae.
	Zoom in.
	Yeah, there's Millbray.
	where I lived.
	And then, oh, it, Might have been Foster City.
	So up north, you're saying.
	That's south.
	So click crowd.
	Click and drag down.
	Click.
	Other way.
	It's south.
	It's at Millbray.
	Click, click Millbray.
	And then directions, I guess, to Foster City.
	No, we're not going to do that.
	Okay, don't.
	So he was in Foster City.
	Ooh, it might have been Redwood Chores.
	It was one of those two.
	Okay, and that's an 4-hour walk.
	Yeah, it was.
	Okay, that's fine.
	All right.
	Several cities.
	Okay.
	Wasn't fun.
	That's all I'm saying.
	So, okay, you go over, you hook up, and then you didn't think of it, like, asked for an Uber or something?
	Maybe I did.
	I don't remember.
	So he could have said, no, all I know is it didn't happen.
	And I was kind of trying to sit and like, wait a second.
	So really, you know, I'm going to have to walk home because the trains aren't starting for at least six hours or more, more than that.
	Not my problem.
	Okay.
	I mean, I think ultimately, I mean, ultimately, if somebody doesn't want you in your house, you kind of got to go.
	But like, is it a dick move?
	Yes.
	That's all I'm saying is.
	I think you're like, okay, let them crash on the couch.
	Let them stay until morning when they can get to the train or whatever in this situation.
	Offer to pay for the Uber or whatever.
	But actually, that's a very unique scenario, but I guess to the whole panel here, do you think, like, let's say in the different scenario, like you drove there, and to get back home, you can drive home and you'll be back in 10 minutes.
	Do you think a man, after the first time you have sex with him, and assuming like maybe he does want to keep seeing you or whatever, but do you think the man, the first time you have sex, he's under some sort of obligation to allow you to stay over?
	Oh, no, absolutely not.
	For the panel.
	Oh, sorry.
	No.
	I think it's a dick move, but no.
	No.
	I think it depends on the circumstances, but no.
	Onto the mic.
	Oh, sorry.
	I can't even answer the question because I don't think people should be having sex outside of marriage.
	Okay.
	Well, that's a take.
	All right.
	And you said you don't have a problem with it?
	Yeah, it's not something I would do to somebody.
	I think there's some blame that should be put here on you, though.
	In the sense that you probably should not have assumed that he was going to let you crash.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's the day I learned.
	I done learned.
	A little bit.
	Like, I don't think it's 100% unreasonable for you to have had the assumption, like, oh, he'll probably be fine if I quit.
	Yeah, just because of that.
	But it would have been something, given how far away it was, I think it would have been the appropriate, it would have been appropriate for you to have done some due diligence and been like, hey, just want to check.
	If it is late, if I come over, I'm not going to be able to catch a train back.
	Can I crash?
	As far as the whole, though, moving off of your situation, but the question I asked the whole panel, I disagree with you a little bit on this one.
	Okay.
	I personally, I don't think it's like, if you don't want the girl to spend the night, I don't think it's necessarily rude if you don't let her.
	But she let you have sex with her.
	So to spend the night versus walking.
	I let her.
	Well, no, no, but that's not her situation.
	The situation is you went over to a guy's house, you have a car, you're 10 minutes away.
	I'm not talking about this.
	That's kind of rude.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	The question was, the first time going over to the guy's house, you drove there, you're 10 minutes away.
	Okay.
	So there's not a component of you're going to be walking for four hours.
	Does that clear it up?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Still rude or I still think it's rude.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because, yeah, I mean, my position is if I think if the roles were reversed and the girl hooked up with the guy and she was like, hey, I don't want you to sleep over.
	I think a lot of women would be like, well, of course, it's like your personal space.
	And that'd be like really weird if you felt uncomfortable letting the guy sleep over.
	I would agree.
	I would still say she was rude, though.
	I think on either end of this.
	Like, if you feel comfortable enough to like sleep with me or sleep with her, you're not comfortable just letting me crash on your couch.
	Well, I mean, maybe I have like an autistic take on this or whatever, but like I actually eventually long enough into a relationship.
	What the fuck?
	I didn't mean to press that.
	Long enough into a relationship, I'm eh, well.
	I prefer separate beds slash separate rooms.
	Okay, you're weird.
	Was it like their first time meeting ever?
	Like they're hooking up and meeting for the first time?
	Just any first time having sex.
	Okay.
	Like I'll offer the guest room, you know, but I don't think anyone feel entitled to stay at your place.
	I think it's most people leave after a hookup.
	But like you can offer, but still I think it's one time a girl forced the stay the sleepover.
	How was that for you?
	Well, I otherwise liked her, but when she did that, it kind of, in an ironic sort of way, it achieved the opposite result.
	She's like, because she was like, I didn't want to cause any friction.
	So I was like, fuck it, I'm going to bite the bullet.
	But that was the last time I ever saw her.
	So it's like, congratulations, you played yourself.
	We had sex one time and you're gone.
	Oh, it was one time and she was kind of forced to sleep over?
	No, so she comes over.
	She comes over.
	We hook up.
	And it wasn't like, come over and I'm going to kick you out, but we hung out, we hung out.
	And I wanted to see her again.
	But I was like, hey, listen, I'm kind of tired.
	I don't like sleep.
	I don't like to sleep next to somebody, especially early on.
	I can do it once I'm more comfortable with somebody.
	But like, I don't know, maybe this is weird because you're saying, well, you're comfortable having sex with somebody.
	You're inside of her, but she can't sleep next to you.
	I'm just saying it's rude.
	I think it's rude to like kick her out.
	I mean, some people might, I don't know if it, if it's necessarily rude, but I can see why a woman might feel slighted or whatever.
	But in this case, I feel like sleeping next to somebody, there's a component of, I don't know, maybe I've seen too much fucking like true crime shit, but like, if she's gonna fucking murder me in my sleep, I can't have a total, I can put my penis inside of her, but she can't sleep next to me.
	I have a more sane take.
	I think it's just like, I don't, I don't like you that much.
	Yeah, like if it was that situation, it's like, if, if it's like a hookup, you don't typically have feelings for people.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's also that, but, and it's also, it's part of it, I think, is a like it can be difficult for me to fall asleep with somebody that you're not comfortable with too.
	Well, it's like if she's moving and shit, or if she snores, I mean, it's not.
	No, she can have another room, but no, we're not like guys that snore.
	But if she snores, if she's moving around, she's got small bladder getting up three times during the night to pee or whatever.
	It's like, I'm awake.
	Once I wake up, I can't go back to sleep.
	Sleepovers are for boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Again, way more intimate.
	Like when it's like, I actually want you to be around as well.
	I don't want to wake up to your morning breath.
	Yeah.
	Like, you got to like morning breaths.
	You got to like, I got to like your morning breath for you to stay the night.
	Yeah.
	So.
	But I, and for me, I'm not, I'm not interested in a one-night stand ever.
	But even like a girl who I am interested in and I do see a potential with, it's, I still, in terms of comfortability, I do prefer either she can take the guest room or just like, I'm not going to kick you.
	I'm not going to come and then goodbye.
	Like we'll cuddle.
	We'll continue spending time together.
	But eventually at some point later on in the night, I'm going to be like, all right, well, let's call it a night and I'll see you in a day or two or something like that.
	I think it's rude if she does like nowhere to go, whatever.
	Sure.
	But it's also rude that she expected to stay in your space.
	Oh, right.
	So that one girl, yeah, she was like, I was like, hey, like, we hooked up, we had sex.
	And then like, I wasn't trying to kick her out immediately.
	I liked her.
	She was cool.
	And I was like, hey, let's watch a movie.
	Let's get some food.
	We get some food, eat some food.
	So we were hanging out for like two, three hours afterwards.
	And then I was like, hey, it's getting kind of late.
	And she lived like five minutes away.
	Oh.
	Like super close, right?
	And she's like, no, I'm staying.
	How long were you guys talking for at this point?
	Like a week or two.
	Oh, that's trespassing.
	And I was like, and she was like, no, I'm staying.
	And I was like, ew, imagine if a guy did that to one of us.
	I would call the police.
	That would be like, you'd be like, no.
	I feel like from the female perspective, you'd be like, whoa, this is like a violation.
	Yeah.
	I think so it's almost weird.
	But I was like, I'm not going to make it.
	I was like, fuck it.
	I'm going to bite the bullet.
	And so, like, she slept.
	And then she left in the morning.
	You blocked her.
	And then I, I mean, I basically was like, and the crazy thing was, I was feeling her before, but she fumbled.
	She fumbled.
	She just forced it.
	She forced it.
	And I was like, it achieved the opposite of what I guess she was trying to do.
	I mean, maybe, look, I get it.
	She was trying to not feel used or whatever.
	But I was like, no, I liked her, blah, blah, blah.
	And I told her, I was like, look, I'm not trying to, I want to see you again.
	Like, let's kick it on.
	I don't know.
	Let me see you in two days.
	It wasn't like that.
	But then she's like, no, I'm staying over.
	Oh, and like was kind of bratty about, not bratty, but.
	When was this?
	How long ago?
	Oh, this was 20.
	I was 23.
	Oh, okay.
	I was probably a little less assertive.
	How old was she?
	22, 21, something like that.
	Yeah.
	And she forced it.
	And I was like, shit, man.
	All right.
	I'm not going to cause friction right now.
	Anyways, whatever.
	It's uncomfortable.
	Yeah.
	You got the ick.
	Oh, I got the ick.
	I got the ick.
	I was like, shit.
	And she wasn't snoring, but she, you know, like, not snoring, but like the audible breathing.
	I'm not going to lie.
	My nickname is Darth Vader.
	I breathe heavy.
	I was sleepy.
	I do not like people that snore.
	When my ex used to snore, I'd just put a pillow on his face.
	All right, meaning.
	Then he would wake up and he'd stop snoring.
	No sleepovers for us then, huh?
	Yeah, in this case, I think the guy was definitely a dick.
	He should have offered to like cover an Uber for you.
	I mean, I don't know if he had it.
	Wait, question.
	How quick would it have been by car?
	Like maybe 15, 20 minutes?
	Oh, gosh.
	Yeah, it's a real, real short.
	Also, wait, did he have a car?
	And how old was he?
	Do you remember how old he was?
	And then how old were you again when this happened?
	We were about the same age.
	On Tinder, I wasn't looking at a very small window.
	So 25.
	Men and women are different, so this would not, I don't think a guy could get away with this.
	But honestly, like, technically, it's like trespassing, but I would have played, look, if I was a chick in that situation, also, as a woman, or even as a man, this is fucking SF.
	You got to think about your safety.
	Like, I'm going to make a stink.
	I'm going to be like, look, you want me to leave.
	You got to trespass me.
	Call the police.
	That might sound fucking insane, but I'm not walking home.
	I'm not walking for four hours at night in San Francisco.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	As a woman, if I was a chick in that situation, I'm like, call the cops, motherfucker.
	Yeah, order my cops.
	Order my lift right now.
	Or get my lift.
	Drive me or get me an Uber.
	Yeah.
	Oh, but what if he like pulls some shit and you like go outside and he cancels that shit?
	Honestly, I didn't even know.
	I mean, did he give you cash?
	Call the cops in that situation and be like, no.
	Would the cops give you a ride, Chad, or no?
	No, they don't.
	I would have.
	But you said you went over there because you were doing sex work, right?
	Is that what you were doing?
	Where did that come from?
	You said something about cash earlier and that it was for business or something.
	You had said that you went over there for business.
	That's what you said.
	Oh, like just sex.
	Oh, okay.
	I was going home.
	Okay.
	I think the expectation after like barely knowing each other was a little off-putting on your end, but I think he was the bigger dick.
	I think he definitely shouldn't have done that to you.
	And I only made a little stink about it.
	And nowadays I probably wouldn't make any stink whatsoever just because I'm a little older in my shit.
	I should.
	I mean, that's just like, that's unsafe for you.
	You're going in the wrong direction.
	You don't deserve that at all.
	I think the cops might have given.
	I would have at least tried.
	No.
	I've asked them for a ride before.
	They're like, no.
	And they're like, we're trying to do that.
	I was like, I was like 15.
	They're like, we're not driving you home.
	I don't know.
	I'm at least trying.
	I'm not walking like she did four hours at night in San Francisco.
	I'm at least, I'm at least before I resort to, I'm going to call the cops, be like, look, I just fucked a guy.
	His dick was really small.
	What?
	Can you?
	Yeah, I'm going to say that on the, like, if I was a chick.
	I just fucked a guy.
	He like pre, like, he was a premature ejaculator.
	He's kicking me out.
	Like, he's just embarrassed or whatever.
	I'm like, I live four hours away.
	Can you, can you guys give me a ride?
	That's not an emergency.
	They would laugh at you and hang up.
	Premature ejaculation, definitely an emergency.
	Okay, no, no, no, but she can try.
	What's the worst?
	I mean, do you not have like family nearby or like friends that you could have called for a ride?
	No, I didn't.
	I mean, nobody has flipping cars around there, you know.
	Most people rely on the transportation, but mostly it was just me.
	Was he drunk or something?
	No, we weren't drinking.
	His wife was going to come home.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Look, if I was in your situation, what I would have done, and look, it was a very, I don't recommend this, but like, if the choice is between cause a scene or walk four hours at night in San Francisco, I'm, I'm like, no, I agree.
	I would cause a scene too.
	I'm like, listen, motherfucker.
	I'm not leaving.
	I'm not, you tell him, it's unsafe for me to walk four hours alone in San Francisco.
	You can let me stay or, I mean, you're, I'll force your hand.
	You can call the cops and they have to remove me.
	Call the cops, remove me forcibly.
	You're really down to catch a charge instead of walking.
	If you leave when they say I'll cause a scene, but I'm not going to catch any charges.
	No, here's what would happen.
	The cops would come and they'd be like, okay, now you have to leave.
	At that point, you would have to leave.
	I think then they'd probably give you a ride.
	Maybe.
	Be like, and you would explain it to the cops.
	You'd explain it to the cops.
	Either he does the right thing or it's like, hey, I don't know.
	But like, say if something happened to you or you like got murdered or something like that, I wonder like how that would work on like if he would be any way of responsible because I don't know.
	I wonder how that would have happened.
	Nah.
	I don't think he would be responsible, no.
	Maybe only if you were intoxicated.
	Wait, but like, let's think about this, right?
	Like, let's think about the, I know this is a bit different, but, and people are saying in the chat, like, oh, that's crazy.
	But what if the scenario is it's a snowstorm and like the temperature was so low that if you were to go outside, you would like die or get hypothermia.
	In that instance, I think it's within your right to like refuse to leave.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, you're still technically trespassing.
	Oh, you have legal rights.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Well, no, I don't, you technically still don't have a legal right to be there.
	Like, if you're in a bar, or wait, I don't know.
	Do now it's different.
	I was thinking, like, do, are there any lawyers in the chat?
	Do let's say you're in a really cold region of the United States and you're in a really cold region of the United States and it's like below freezing.
	If you have a commercial establishment, do you have some duty to your patron to like let them inside?
	I don't know.
	Wait, hold on.
	I actually kind of have an answer because I worked at 7-Eleven overnight in Oklahoma.
	And even if it was like negative snowing or anything, we couldn't even let homeless people be in there to just warm their hands up.
	Like they would tell us like we would have to tell them to leave.
	I didn't always follow that because I felt really bad, but technically I could have gone fire.
	How about this?
	What if you live in a really rural area?
	Like you're 30 minutes away from any other, anything else.
	Like here's the crazy hypothetical.
	You have your house.
	It's your house.
	Your girlfriend doesn't live there.
	Your girlfriend's visiting.
	And I don't know, it's a snowstorm.
	And your girlfriend starts like the giga fucked nuclear argument of all time.
	Can you kick your girlfriend out of the house during a snowstorm?
	I think you can.
	I don't think you should.
	But no, no, no, hold on.
	But if you do, she fucking dies.
	I think you have, but I think you have some legal obligation to be like, the circumstances would compel you to not kick them out of the house.
	I mean, right?
	Yeah.
	If you're like dating someone, I don't even kick people out of the house if we're like, I'm like having a huge argument with them.
	Like me and my ex, I'm not going to be like, get out of my house.
	Especially if the weather's like that.
	That's like life or death and stuff.
	No, but chat, hold on.
	I'm pretty sure.
	I'm pretty sure, like, yes, okay, you can't trespass if somebody wants you to leave.
	But like.
	Life or death, like high school.
	No, if I'm having some like fucking end of the relationship, giga fucked argument with my girlfriend and I'm like, if it was otherwise like summer or whatever, I'm like, get the fuck out.
	But it's the winter and it's snowstorming.
	And if she's outside for 30 minutes, she's dead.
	No.
	Are you asking if you're liable?
	Are you asking liability?
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty sure you just murdered somebody.
	If they die on your property, you might be held accountable.
	I think something similar happened in Kansas City.
	Well, if you kicked like a small child out while the weather conditions are clear, you would get charged with neglect and that's kind of a different child.
	It is different, but it's a similar thing.
	I think something like that happened in Kansas City after a football game and like a few people died in the snow.
	Right.
	Oh.
	Oh, yes.
	Twitch chat.
	Oh my goodness.
	The Twitch is on fire.
	Oh, that's right.
	Cause we're on the front.
	Oh, shit.
	I think we're on the front page of Twitch.
	Oh, my goodness.
	How many viewers?
	We have 5,000 viewers on Twitch.
	Yo, W, yo, W's in the chat for Twitch.
	Guys, I totally forgot that they were putting us on the front page.
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	Put us on the other side.
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	I think it's bugged, boys.
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	I think our Twitch.
	I think our Prime sub.
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	We have a hype train, I think.
	Do we have is this the first ever hype trend?
	Oh my goodness, almost 5,000 viewers.
	Oh my god, the Twitch chat is on fire.
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	Guys, I think our Prime subs are bugged.
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	Felicity, you're going to shout out all these names.
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	Oh, my God.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You are way too unenthusiastic, Felicity.
	This is your axe.
	Thank you.
	I'm thinking of like some promo to say that.
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	Do we have...
	Hold on, let me see.
	Do we have any?
	We got Kaibaka in the chat.
	Sometimes there's like admins, but I don't see any admins.
	All right, in the chat.
	There's no admins.
	So like you can say simp.
	Wasn't it?
	I think they banned simp on Twitch, right?
	You can't say simp, but that, well, in like a bad way, I guess.
	Nick, is there a way for you to pull up the, actually, nevermind.
	It's never mind.
	Pull the Twitch back up, though, really quick.
	In the chat.
	Pizza?
	In a minute.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Wait, how do I...
	Brian's...
	Whoa.
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	Brian's tiny P. What the fuck, bro?
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	We're going to get back to the show, but we're going to do a segment about Asmund Gold because as soon as everybody's back at the table, we're waiting for one person to come back.
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	So everybody's back.
	Guys, we're going to play a video.
	Also, bring up his Instagram too.
	But you can do that later.
	But first, we're going to play this thing from the video.
	Thank you guys.
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	Okay, go ahead and play it.
	I think that the age of like me having girlfriends and like dating and shit is probably over.
	I mean, like realistically, like I am older and I'm also very much a degenerate.
	I'm a weird-looking guy.
	You know, again, like I try to look decent on my screen, but I'm a weird-looking guy.
	And so I don't really think about getting married or having kids.
	I mean, it's something I would want to have to do, but like I just don't really think, I don't see it happening if you want me to be honest.
	Okay, pull up his Instagram now.
	So you guys all were paying attention, I hope, right?
	Okay.
	Good friend, close friend, very good, good man.
	His name's Zach.
	I am, I saw that clip the other day.
	I am making it my duty, my goal in life.
	I am going to be his matchmaker.
	I'm going to be Zach.
	I'm going to get him.
	And I, because I do the show every week and I'm always surrounded by some, you know, some lovely, not all the time, but some lovely women.
	So I'm going to, I'm a matchmaker.
	So really quick, I just want to show you some photos.
	By the way, he's a protector.
	Do you see him with his fucking axe?
	Like if you get, if you break in, like if you're kicking it at his house, you might need to help him clean up the house a little bit.
	Apparently, there's roaches or something.
	I've seen the pictures.
	Yeah.
	And exile that.
	So if some, there's a home invasion, he'll fucking axe the guy to death.
	He's a great guy.
	Scroll up.
	His name's Zach.
	Very, very nice guy.
	He's successful.
	He's successful.
	You know, I think, you know, he's actually like, I think he's, he's, you know, I think he's got like some good, like some good facial features.
	You know, like he could maybe.
	You want to date him?
	Well, I'm straight, you know.
	I'm straight, but you know, I think, I think he has some redeeming facial features, and he's, he's, he's not fat.
	He's, he's a thin guy.
	He's not.
	You said you don't like chubby dudes.
	So no, I like chubby dudes.
	Oh, you do?
	That's fine.
	So, anyways, I have taken it upon myself.
	I haven't talked to him about this, but I'm just going to do it.
	I'm going to get him.
	Like, his dick is my dick.
	Wow.
	His dick is my dick.
	I'm a.
	Look, he's looking for something serious.
	You know, it's not just about the sex.
	But I'm saying, I am going to be his wingman.
	So, just like going around the table, we have some single ladies.
	Actually, actually, most of you are not single, but shit, for the women who are single.
	So he's a really good guy.
	He's not looking to like hit it and quit it.
	You know, he's looking for, he's looking for the one, you know, he's looking for, he wants kids, you know?
	It's available.
	Can I...
	Basically.
	Would you go on a date with him?
	No.
	What?
	What the fuck?
	Okay, here, really quick before we, would you go on the, can I get you that?
	I would not go on a date with him.
	I mean.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not saying that, you know.
	Is it because he's rich?
	No.
	Earlier you said.
	Because he does very well for himself.
	Is it because earlier you said you don't really care about money?
	I don't.
	No.
	Sorry, Zach.
	And then the only other single, wait.
	Relationship?
	Yeah.
	And then, well, you're...
	She's available.
	I mean, she's like dating again.
	Absolutely would.
	And you know what's funny?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Repeat that one more time.
	I said, absolutely would.
	I fucking got you.
	Wait, and it'd be extra incredible because my fake pretend boyfriend, he loves Asmen Gold.
	He watches him all the time.
	He's a mega fan.
	Can you imagine?
	That would be the ultimate revenge plot.
	So wait, question though.
	By the way, are you like Latina or what?
	Yeah, I'm about half.
	I mean, I think does Zach.
	Let me ask the Twitch chat.
	Does Zach, does he like Latinas?
	Is he a Latina?
	Oh my God, we're on hype train level.
	My goodness, they're on fire.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Chill out.
	I'm very excited.
	I just did.
	Oh, my God.
	Shout out to Twitch.
	I've never seen you this exciting time.
	Yeah, W Twitch.
	W Twitch.
	YouTube never does that.
	YouTube never does that.
	I've never been excited since Pacey George bought you two iPhones.
	Where is that guy?
	So you would date him, though.
	You wouldn't date him.
	Why not?
	I think I'm too young for him.
	I mean, if he was down to, I mean, you don't like.
	Zach is he like 35, I think.
	But he'll be fine with you being a lawyer or whatever.
	That's okay.
	I'm good.
	Does it change anything?
	Look, okay, I'm going to have to tap into the status.
	He is one of the biggest Twitch streamers.
	So he's got, he's clout.
	I don't know if that matters to you, though.
	But he's got like, look, I don't want to make it all about the money and the fame.
	He's a good person.
	And I think he's got a lot to offer.
	I think he'd be a good person for someone his own age, though.
	Yeah.
	Well, if he was, he looks younger, though.
	How old is he again?
	I think he's 35.
	What kind of content is he?
	He's a good guy.
	I actually thought he was younger than 35 based on his appearance.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I thought he was younger.
	How old?
	I'm pretty sure he's 35.
	I think he's my age.
	Wait.
	As old as 35.
	About 35.
	Okay, he's maybe a year younger than me.
	35, 36.
	And you wouldn't?
	No.
	Why not?
	Definitely just not.
	You've been celibate for three years.
	I think we can't, you know, I think, here, look, look, look.
	It's just not mine.
	Give him a chance.
	Will you go on a date with him?
	Yeah, I'm open to giving anybody a chance.
	and we're you live in los angeles okay So here's what we're going to do.
	He's in Austin.
	He doesn't leave his house.
	I don't either.
	So we're going to fly you out to Austin.
	I don't travel.
	I really don't.
	I do.
	I hate to fight.
	You don't like to fly?
	I hate to fly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The only thing we're going to do a train then.
	I will not leave.
	Okay, we'll do horseback.
	He can't go to home.
	No, I have responsibilities at home, so I don't leave.
	He can come to my company.
	You have cats?
	What do you have?
	I have a dog.
	He's just my entire life.
	Bring the fucking dog.
	I can bring the dog.
	Bring the dog.
	Yeah, I also have a job.
	Well, you know.
	Don't worry.
	If you get what?
	I think his schedule might be a little bit more flexible than mine, so maybe he can come to me or if he's in the street.
	Well, I mean, the guy streams every day almost.
	I don't think it's going to work.
	Okay.
	Well, so yes, I got.
	Okay, I got one, and it sounds like you would go on a date if he came to LA.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm going to make this happen.
	Okay.
	Chat.
	I'm going to make that.
	Really quick, pull up the Twitch thing one more time.
	Okay, guys.
	If you, chat, drop us a follow in the Prime Sub if you want to see a live-streamed date between Asmund Gold and look, I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep grinding away at this.
	You know, next show, I'm going to get, we got this.
	His dick is my dick.
	I'm going to get this guy a new, I'm going to get him a wife.
	Not just, because, you know.
	That's sweet.
	He be.
	Look, I feel like, you know, I feel like Asmund Gold's probably low-key.
	Like, that guy's got game.
	I feel like Asmund Gold has game.
	Zach has game.
	Like, he be running through these Austin hood rats.
	Like, he be running through them.
	Like, I feel he's secretive about it, though.
	He doesn't advertise that shit.
	Like, he'd be running through, just slaying hood rats left and right.
	Slayin' these hood rats.
	I'm just sayin'.
	I'm just saying.
	But, Zach, listen, I got you, dude.
	We're gonna, I saw that fucking clip.
	You're a good guy.
	We're gonna get you a wife.
	You're gonna pump out a couple kids.
	And they can continue the legacy, the World of Warcraft legacy.
	Okay.
	I was okay, never mind.
	Really quick, pull up the Twitch again.
	Guys, drop us a follow in that Prime sub.
	Drop us a follow.
	Oh my goodness, they are on fire.
	Mars, thank you for the prime.
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	Smoke a bull, thank you for the prime.
	Half pint.
	Thank for the tier.
	Oh my goodness, a resub for 28 months.
	Thank you for the tier one.
	Jaffa, thank you for the prime.
	D2 legend.
	There's so many.
	We won't be everybody else.
	Thank you.
	Really appreciate all the support over there on Twitch.
	Oh my goodness.
	Yeah, by the way, like I was like, with the ads, I don't want to put ads on Twitch.
	Like we have to put some because apparently if you disable the, I think if you disable the ads, they're going to give you a pre-roll.
	And I'm like, fuck the pre-roll.
	I want people to come into the, I don't know, that's what's frustrating about Twitch streaming from like the creator's perspective.
	I don't want somebody to like their first time coming into the stream or whatever, and they get bombarded with like a 30, 60, 30 second, 60 second, 90 second ad.
	Like I don't even, so we try to run super minimal ads.
	So anyways, whatever.
	I don't know.
	That's not related.
	Anyways, back to the show.
	Back to the show.
	Sorry, guys.
	I spurged out there for a bit.
	It was the accent.
	Actually, you know what?
	Any females watching, any women watching, if you wanted me to set you up, don't be a fucking troll about it.
	Be legit.
	You want me to set you up on a date with Zach?
	I got it.
	You can DM if you're a woman, no men, okay?
	He's straight.
	If you're a woman and you want me to set you up on a date with Zach, you've got to DM out whatever, and I'll make it happen.
	I'll make it happen.
	I'm going to make a girlfriend application too for him.
	Anyways, I could give you help with that.
	I was just about to say, learn from the best.
	This girl has a girlfriend application.
	Nick, we're going to react to her girlfriend.
	Right now?
	Oh, it's boyfriend.
	It's from a long time ago.
	Or boyfriend.
	It's a summer boyfriend application.
	Nick, can you zoom it in a little bit?
	Oh, my God.
	Bigger, bigger, bigger?
	Yeah, that's good.
	All right.
	So there you go.
	She's included some semi-degenerate bikini photos.
	Scroll down.
	Of course.
	Scroll down.
	Okay, so here, Sab, you're going to read.
	Just read.
	Okay, my requirements is.
	Sab is looking.
	Wait, start from the top.
	Oh, Sab is looking for a temporary boyfriend until September who is handsome, single, and fun man to hang out with during the summer before she leaves.
	I was leaving London.
	Don't actually have to be boyfriend and girlfriend.
	My requirements is I want a pretty boy, mainly white, not in a racist way.
	19 to 26 years old, with some exceptions.
	5'10 plus, no breaker.
	Proper handsome, has some background in modeling, is a plus.
	No facial hair or minimum facial hair might be okay.
	No tattoos or minimal might be okay.
	Doesn't vain or doesn't do nicotine is preferred.
	No drugs preferred.
	Not fat.
	Sorry.
	Pro-athlete and high-status men, welcome.
	Extra info.
	You can be broke and not have a job.
	You can be a uni student.
	You can be working.
	You don't need to have a certain amount of followers.
	Down to go on holidays.
	I pay.
	Must be 18 plus.
	I don't care if you still live with your parents.
	I have my own flat.
	Jewish men, please apply.
	Right-wing men is a plus.
	Loves football, gaming, UFC, tennis, etc., etc.
	I did not meet my current boyfriend this way, but he fits a lot of that, except he's not Jewish.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You should have included, though.
	You should have included on this that you're diabetic.
	Yes.
	You should have included.
	Which, let's see.
	Really quick shout out.
	John Straight.
	Thank you for the 30 on Venmo.
	Question for you, though.
	Before the show, you were like, tell us about the insulin.
	Long acting.
	Or whatever.
	I drove here from LA and I left my long-acting insulin at my hotel.
	And I have to give it to myself once a day because it works over a period of 24 hours.
	And the time that I'm supposed to give to myself is basically now.
	So I have to leave the show early, but in like two hours from now.
	So I could go back to LA.
	Are you type one or?
	I'm type one.
	I've had it for 15 years.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So this is really irresponsible of me to have long acting.
	Long acting insulin.
	Insulin.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And it's like, is there like a workaround?
	Like, what if you just have sugar or that doesn't work?
	If your blood sugar is low, you need to have sugar to bring it up.
	So because we got snacks, you know what I'm saying?
	Well, yeah, but it's the opposite.
	I don't need sugar.
	I need insulin.
	I need to keep my blood sugar.
	The long acting releases like a little bit of insulin over 24 hours to maintain you, whereas all your bodies are doing that right now because you have a working pancreas.
	I don't.
	So my body is, my blood sugar cannot be controlled without long acting.
	Okay.
	And it would result.
	What would happen?
	Just curious.
	I'm not going to like not gonna have you go into like a diabetic coma or whatever.
	Well, what would happen, though?
	I'm just curious.
	If you're without like if you, yeah.
	It's called DKA, diabetic ketoacidosis, and it's when your blood basically becomes like poisonish, kind of, you know.
	You start like getting shaky and then it would be more of like I'd have to go to the hospital.
	Do you like pass out or what happens?
	I'm just no, not even you can like throw up.
	You become very dehydrated.
	You need to go to the hospital to keep fluids in you because you can't retain fluids well at that point.
	Still magnolias, Julia Roberts.
	What happened here at the end?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there's it's very like medical and annoying.
	You can't take a day off.
	It's an obsession.
	It feels like an eating disorder.
	It's obsess about like your what you eat because that will affect your blood sugar levels.
	And you take it, you take it every day?
	Yes, I have multiple injections.
	Is it like a finger or what?
	No, that's to test.
	It has to test it.
	I do injections for where, like in the belly or yeah, belly, arm, and thigh.
	Oh, okay.
	Good times.
	Does anybody in the Santa Barbara area have some emergency, some emergency long-acting insulin?
	You really want me here.
	Well, I mean, like, normally the show goes a little longer than 10.
	So I'm just saying, like, does anybody have a plug?
	Like an insulin plug?
	It's going to be like poison.
	Is that like illegal?
	It's unsafe.
	No, but like not illegal to share.
	Like if you're on the streets, the mean streets, and you're like, and you're trafficking insulin, is that like technically a crime?
	I believe it should be.
	Like if I was trying to legally get insulin, like am I gigafucked?
	There's no way to legally get it on the street.
	So I think any like selling of medicine on the street is illegal.
	Even if it's a prescription, if it's a prescription, not if it's Advil, but yes.
	You can get it on the dark web.
	Okay.
	My bodybuilder boyfriend did it.
	I'm not going to get up about illegal insulin.
	Look, I'm trying to hook a girl up.
	I'm trying to get her some insulin.
	Okay.
	I'm just looking out, you know.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Yeah.
	Is there like so?
	What did people do before?
	Like, did they just die?
	They just died.
	Well, they used like cow insulin for a while from animals, but I think that was only from the 70s or 60s onward.
	Nice.
	Before that, it was death.
	You're just damn.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's good times.
	Okay.
	Getting back into the notes, though, we have, oh, the girlfriend boyfriend application.
	Oh, yes.
	What would going around the table to open up to the whole panel, though?
	If you were to make a boyfriend application, what would you put on it?
	Maybe I maybe there's a lot, but maybe give us like two or three things looks-wise and like two or three things not looks-wise, personality-wise.
	Okay, um, tall, preferably, like brunette.
	Um, good build.
	Like, you don't have to be like built-built, but like you take care of yourself, you know what I mean?
	Um, personality-wise, very like adventurous and stuff because I really like traveling, and then probably very generous.
	I like generosity a lot.
	Okay, uh, well, we kind of did yours with a good one.
	Yeah, looks-wise, I'm not too picky.
	Um, somewhere between five, eight, five, ten as far as height.
	Um, I more so go for like character and personality.
	Sure.
	Um, so somebody who has a provider mindset, somebody who is compassionate and empathetic and um very motivated and like growth mindset, always trying to do better.
	Okay, um, six foot brunette, preferably, although I don't really care.
	Um, and uh, travels for work is a plus, yeah.
	Separate uh houses would be great, separate houses, yeah.
	I like my space, but wouldn't If you're just meeting them.
	You said my perfect guy?
	No, just like if you had a put out a boyfriend application.
	What are some of the things that not maybe not a boyfriend application, but like what are some of the criteria that you would use to judge a potential boyfriend application?
	Loves animals.
	Perfect.
	That's high on.
	Yeah, it really is.
	Yeah.
	I care a lot.
	What if they just like animals?
	That's okay.
	Yeah.
	They're not like that.
	I would never date someone who doesn't like dogs, for instance.
	You know what I mean?
	That's weird.
	Sure.
	There's some people that.
	It's not that they are animal abusers.
	Right.
	But they just don't like animals.
	Prefer to not be around them.
	Right.
	And I love them.
	So, yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Definitely taller than me.
	And then I really like the white redneck thing.
	I just really love white.
	You like white guys?
	Yes, I do.
	Is your current boyfriend white guy?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And redneck?
	Yes.
	Wow.
	And a redneck.
	Well, you're married, so I mean, probably no boyfriend applications in your future, but you want to just say some of the positive characteristics you like about your husband.
	I would say the first thing would be fit and healthy, so that I would want to talk to him.
	The next would be Christian.
	And then the next would be, and probably last, for starters, it had to be really, really, really smart.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't know.
	If you didn't cheat on me, that'd be nice.
	That's probably about it.
	Yeah.
	Damn, get this girl off shit.
	Damn, it's tough out here.
	That's about it.
	I know.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	I guess moving on then.
	Oh, I guess I could do what I would want.
	Okay, I wrote it down actually in preparation for this segment.
	Let's see here.
	Okay, any race is fine, but slight preference for Asian women and or white women.
	Hell yeah, Asian women.
	I will allow Waysian.
	Well, allow Wasian, of course.
	But, you know, I've dated, I would date Latinas, totally fine, but that's my slight preference.
	Let's see.
	We'll do looks and personality.
	So I guess I'm starting with looks here.
	Natural body supremacist.
	So like it's not 100% a deal breaker.
	Not 100% a deal breaker, but preference for like no plastic surgery, I guess.
	Not a deal breaker, but strong preference for, and it depends the plastic surgery.
	Like BBL, not a huge fan of that.
	Prefer, yeah, prefer more on the natural side, less or no makeup.
	Yeah.
	What else?
	I don't care about boobs.
	I mean, nice, big boobs, whatever.
	That's fine.
	I'm not like a, don't really care that much about ass.
	What the fuck is this combo?
	I feel like I'm wording this completely wrong.
	Like a nice, like A cup, B cup, C cup, don't care, whatever.
	Not to say that like C Cups, D Cups, whatever, not, it's not that, I don't like it.
	I'm just saying I don't care.
	But, you know, whatever.
	I'm a labia guy.
	Hashtag big labia matter, BLM.
	BLM.
	Hashtag BLM.
	It's the pressing issue of our time.
	Yeah, I just.
	It's kind of a strong preference there.
	I'm not a butt guy.
	You know how like there's a boob boob guys and butt guys?
	I'm a labia guy.
	He's a labia.
	Large labia.
	Have you been with a girl with like a big fat ass before?
	Because I feel like that's why maybe you're not into it.
	You haven't had to like.
	I haven't, I've, okay, hold on.
	I don't know.
	I've had the spectrum of...
	Oh, of everything.
	I've had a diverse...
	I'm a...
	A well-divered...
	I'm a DEI.
	Oh, okay.
	I've had diverse body types, I guess you could say.
	What don't you like about it?
	About what?
	Like, a big ass.
	Yeah, a big ass.
	No, it's not that I dislike it.
	Like, don't get me wrong.
	It's not like, hmm, how do I explain this?
	Like.
	Like a non-BBL big butt.
	Like a natural...
	So, like, for example, if a woman has an A cup or is flat, that's not like...
	Some guys might be like, I prefer a girl with...
	Like, it's never a consideration.
	Not to say that, like, if you were to ask me, okay, well, Brian, show us a picture or explain what perhaps you think the optimal or best-looking breast size is.
	Not to say that it wouldn't necessarily, it might be like C-cup or, I don't know, whatever.
	I would probably lean more towards like something that's bigger than an A-cup.
	But that's not to say that I would not, I'm incapable of being insanely attracted to a woman who does have an A-cup or is flat or whatever.
	Are you like a face guy?
	Face important, but labia.
	Oh, he's a labia number one.
	High on the list.
	High on the list, I would say.
	But the butt thing, what was your question?
	I was just surprised that you were just like, you don't care if someone's like flat or not.
	So I think shape oversize.
	Yes.
	Shape oversize, because there's some fucking diaper butts that are huge.
	But like, I think the, are you talking like a thick girl?
	No, I mean like a gym girl.
	Because I think that visually, like the thick, you know, appealing.
	Okay.
	But like for like actual sex.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Like, I don't know.
	I don't know either.
	I don't have a.
	I'm just saying it kind of can complicate things in the bedroom if she's a if she's a thicky icky.
	That's what I'm saying, like a gym girl, like a thin, but like nice butt.
	Like a bigger girl.
	Well, nice butt, but you're talking big butt.
	Well, by big, I mean like a gym big butt.
	Like, are you talking a badonka dong?
	No.
	No, no.
	I mean, like somewhere right.
	Do you know who somewhere right?
	Summer right?
	Yeah, I think I. Or like Sophia Gara, this type of natural big, but that's more shape.
	I guess you probably like them then.
	Not like a Kylie Jenner.
	I think shape is a bit better.
	All right.
	But like if she doesn't have a great ass, I don't care.
	That's not a deal breaker.
	But look, don't get me wrong.
	Like, I am a fan.
	I enjoy a nice ass.
	I enjoy a nice ass.
	You know, hell yeah.
	There's that accent.
	But it's not a deal breaker.
	It's not a deal break.
	Like, it's not like, oh, she's got a small bum.
	Like, I can't date night.
	I don't really care.
	But like, the problem with the big ass, though, like the big ass is, look, I'm a B.
	It came up earlier.
	That guy had a Twitch username, Brian's teeny peen.
	My penis size is average.
	And sometimes, you know, look, and I'm not packing a 10-incher, you know.
	If she's got fucking thunder thighs and a giant fucking ass, certain sexual positions are off the table for a guy like me.
	So what I'm saying is, I'm saying is, I'm a guy who likes a woman on top.
	Okay, I'm not trying to get crushed, okay?
	I'm not trying to get crushed.
	Give me a little petite girl with a nice ass and I can make it work, okay?
	But if she ass is a bit too big, I'm sorry.
	On top, her on top, which is one of my favorites.
	It's not going to work.
	Doggy style, you can get around it a little bit.
	Doggy style is effective even for a fucking thick girl.
	You know what I'm fucking saying, right?
	But anyways, what was I saying?
	Look, I'm just saying, I'm telling you.
	These thick girls, you know, sometimes these guys, they think the bigger the better.
	But I'm telling you, in the bedroom, sometimes it can cause some situations.
	It can be some complications, I'm telling you.
	You take a girl, it's like, can you even get there?
	Can you even get to the vagina sometimes?
	I guess.
	Look, as a guy who's average size, sometimes I can't even, you know, I can't even.
	I'm scared sometimes, you know.
	I understand.
	That's a lot of weight coming down.
	That's gravity.
	That's scary.
	That's gravity.
	You know, she's going too quick.
	I could have a broken penis.
	I'm not trying to do it.
	I need a girl I can kind of control, you know, control a little bit in the bedroom.
	I see a nice angle.
	And she's throwing that shit back and she's got, oh my God, it's too much.
	She's got too much cushion for the push, and I know I can't.
	You ain't packing like that.
	It's average.
	I'm not saying I got it.
	Look, I'm just being honest.
	I'm not, I don't have a micro penis.
	It's just I have an average penis.
	Okay.
	And look, save the thick women, save it for the BBC or whatever.
	Save it for the guys with the big dicks.
	I'm going to say I was kind of like a thicker girl.
	Some of the issues he's saying, I actually have experienced that.
	Does it suck?
	Like, what happens?
	You learned to fake it really well.
	Wait, fake it?
	Fake it.
	Look, there are positions, even with the thick girl, I can still get access to.
	I'm just saying, if on top, it's harder.
	If she's got big legs and giant ass, it's hard to get there, you know?
	No, and I'm like, it's just a tip.
	Yeah, and honestly, even with some, like, being on top, sometimes it still doesn't, it could fall, you know, I get it.
	I think that's just the size.
	Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
	That, like, obviously, these were probably less than average men as well.
	So, but.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	Like, I was young.
	I'm curious, why fake it?
	I mean, that doesn't help a dude either.
	I was super young.
	That was bad communication.
	Super young.
	I was super young, and it wasn't like anything serious.
	Like, after that, I never spoke to him again.
	I'm sure every girl at this table has faked it at least.
	Let me know.
	I do not inflate it.
	I faked orgasm on shit.
	How do you do that as a man?
	Well, I mean, I can't.
	There's a concept.
	It's a bit easier.
	Okay.
	Wait, why did you do that as a guy?
	I just.
	You just weren't feeling it all of a sudden?
	Look, I don't think you should fake it.
	I faked it one time, and you shouldn't fake it.
	It's bad.
	But I did it.
	Don't worry about it.
	I'm just curious.
	Why would I do that?
	I needed to help her self-esteem.
	Wow.
	She needed it.
	Yeah.
	He's a hero, guys.
	He's a hero.
	She was struggling.
	I don't know how the woman that faked it.
	Hey, I'm a nice guy.
	I came in and I, you know, I don't know.
	I don't fake it.
	Huh?
	I don't fake it.
	Congratulations, Felicity.
	I'm not a fraud like you.
	It was one time, okay?
	Just kidding.
	It was one time.
	Just kidding.
	Is that the, yeah, wait, leave it there, Nick.
	You guys see the moon?
	Is that the moon?
	Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
	The yellow.
	The yellow.
	The yellow dot.
	W moon.
	Shout out to the moon joining us for our fucking dating podcast.
	Welcome to the.
	Welcome.
	The moon has seen some crazy shit.
	Seeing a lot of people fucking in public.
	Let me tell you.
	If the moon had eyes.
	Have you done that before?
	Yeah.
	You had sex in public.
	On the beach.
	Oh.
	Probably in a park.
	In like a family.
	It's in a bathroom.
	It was when I was young.
	It was when I was young.
	And I was like, you know, you don't have your own place.
	And it's like, oh, I can fuck in the car.
	Or I could fuck in the beach.
	Actually, I don't think I fucked in the car.
	I had sex on the beach, though, a couple times.
	And let me tell you.
	At night?
	At night.
	And let me tell you.
	Not great.
	Not great.
	And then the fucking tide was coming in.
	And we were going at it.
	And it.
	What do you do, you know?
	What do you do?
	We got the fucking water hit us.
	Oh my god, that's kind of romantic, though.
	No?
	I see that actually.
	It's more like a movie.
	You know, maybe in real life, it's not as practical.
	But in a movie, it looks nice.
	Nice idea.
	Yeah, with the sunset or something.
	How did we get?
	Oh, the oh, the oh, the actually.
	I must be coming across as incredibly superficial, just talking about boobs and butts and labias and penises.
	Let me talk about what I'm looking for.
	Yes, and let me talk about what I'm looking for in terms of personality.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	I wrote it down.
	Oh, my, how many.
	Oh, my God.
	What the hell?
	Hey, don't look.
	Let's see.
	I prefer introverted women typically.
	It's not a deal breaker for women's extroverted, but I typically prefer I'm introverted myself too.
	So I definitely prefer somebody who matches me there.
	I'm a bit more, I don't like to like, I don't know, more of a homebody.
	I mean, I like to go out into nature, but I don't like fucking, I don't know, going to festivals and shit.
	I don't know.
	What else?
	Submissive, pleasant.
	What else? What else? What else?
	Introverted, quiet, calm, soft-spoken.
	Yeah.
	Peaceful.
	Peace is big.
	Peace is big.
	I don't need a girl to be all.
	I don't need charisma.
	I don't need a big personality.
	I like somebody who's pleasant and can, you know, it's good if we can have a fun convo and enjoy each other's presence, but you don't got to be funny.
	I don't care about that.
	You got to bring me peace, though.
	That's important.
	Got to bring peace.
	And I don't drink.
	I don't do drugs.
	I don't party.
	I don't smoke.
	So I'm.
	If she drinks a little bit, that's okay.
	But ideally, like very minimal drinking, no partying, no drugs, none of that shit.
	No bars, no clubs.
	And yeah.
	Acts of service.
	That's big.
	She's got to do acts of service.
	And shut up, Felicity.
	Acts of service is big.
	Like volunteering?
	For me.
	No, I don't want you like going to the homeless shelter.
	Like at the soup kitchen.
	Acts of service for me.
	I got it.
	You got to be doing shit for me.
	Yeah.
	And acts of service.
	Word.
	Cool.
	Good.
	Good talk.
	Okay, on to the next thing.
	Oh, the bow video.
	Nick, let's do the bow video.
	What do you do?
	What are you doing back there, Nick?
	Are you putting pants on?
	By the way, chat, Nick has been naked this entire time back there.
	Nick is putting pants on.
	He was in his G-string before.
	Banana hammock.
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's why, that's how we get all the women on the show.
	We have Nick is a look.
	He only has one leg.
	What is it called?
	What is the Chippendale?
	Nick is a Chippendale.
	He's a stripper.
	That's how you.
	Okay.
	Do we have the bow video?
	Oh, this is okay.
	So this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.
	And because I was like, look, kind of similar to her, her situation.
	You know how he was all saying, like, my next girl.
	So I was telling her, I was like, look, I got to make a tutorial video that I got to show future women.
	So I'm using you as an actress.
	Thus.
	And that went over well.
	But anyway, so I was like, look, I got to take a video because you do such a great job.
	Like, you're the placeholder, kind of like her situation.
	You're the placeholder.
	Why are you like throwing shade for no reason?
	Don't worry about it, Felicity.
	You're the placeholder.
	Oh, not you.
	I'm talking about.
	Yeah.
	You're the placeholder.
	So I have to, you're going to help me with the tutorial.
	Because I feel like sometimes you got to, not all women, you know, some of you guys have bad habits.
	And you got to deal with a real man.
	These girls are.
	To get you caught up to speed.
	Let me get you caught up to speed on what it takes in 2025, 2026, to deal with, you know, to get a man.
	A top-tier man.
	Yeah, we got to.
	Well, hold on.
	I don't like that kind of categorization, but I'm just saying, you know, I have to.
	Sometimes you got to correct bad behaviors.
	Sometimes you got to.
	You need to watch a lot of videos then.
	You need to watch a lot of videos, Felicity.
	But sometimes you got to, you know, you got to undo certain propaganda.
	You got to, you got to get a woman caught up to speed.
	So let's go ahead and play the video.
	Boom, huge bow.
	So that's rule number one.
	She has to bow as soon as I come home.
	She's so beautiful.
	Well.
	Oh my God.
	I love funny.
	She got a lot of help from her doctor.
	Is she Korean?
	She is Korean.
	So you know how they do it with the plastic surgery.
	I think she's Korean.
	Maybe she's Chinese.
	I don't know.
	I never asked her.
	Has to have my dinner ready, crack open a beer for me, and stir my noodles.
	Because obviously I consume noodles frequently.
	One more time, the bow.
	Let's just play it again.
	Boom, huge bow.
	Do you see the depth?
	You see the submissive hand posture?
	Do you see the slightly inward, I guess they're not inward, whatever.
	The submissive handbook.
	So going around the table, would you do this for your boyfriend, husband, whatever?
	No.
	No?
	Yeah, pretty cool.
	Okay, you like it?
	For my current boyfriend, yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	You wouldn't do it?
	Perfect man?
	It depends.
	Into the mic.
	For the perfect man?
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, sorry.
	It's a little weird to me.
	The bow or the other stuff?
	Or all of it?
	All of it.
	All of it?
	A little weird?
	I mean, I would do it because I'd love the person that I'm with, but I wouldn't want it to be an obligation by him, you know?
	Obligation.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Expectation.
	Expectation.
	Don't you have expectations, though?
	I've never been in a relationship, so I don't really know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Like, how about this as an expectation?
	Don't fuck other people.
	Well, my rule of thumb is if I find out that you've hooked up with someone else, I get to hook up with someone else, and it could be your brother, could be your dad, could be your best friend.
	Yeah.
	Is that what you do?
	No, I've never had that.
	You've never done the revenge fuck?
	No, no.
	A spite fuck?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Dad.
	Damn, that's gangster.
	Well, you feel like that.
	That's kind of gangster.
	And you'll never know who it is either.
	Wow.
	That's kind of an L for you, though.
	I feel like that's an L as the girl.
	Like, okay, well, my boyfriend was a dick, so I'm going to go fuck a bunch of dudes.
	That's a good idea.
	No, no, I wouldn't even say that I break up with him and be like, okay, well, you, so now I get a hall ass.
	That's a little bit of a damage.
	I feel like that's a bit toxic, though.
	I think you just break up.
	You either break up with them or, I mean, I guess you can accept them back.
	Yeah, sometimes cheating doesn't necessarily mean you're going to break up with somebody.
	But you either break up with them or you accept the cheating, I guess.
	In that instance.
	But I think that's the L as the girl to be like, I'm going to show you.
	I'm going to be a whore.
	No, no, no.
	It would be ahead of time.
	Like, I just want to let you know, like, if I find out you cheat on me, like, I get to, I get to cheat.
	Yeah, that's still.
	Yeah.
	If I find out you cheat on me, I'm going to be a whore.
	That's not.
	That's not, that's an L for a woman.
	That's an L for a woman.
	It is an L for a woman.
	That's not a W. That's an L. Is it?
	That's a major L for a woman.
	I don't know.
	Again, I've never been in that situation.
	You fuck another chick.
	By the way, men shouldn't cheat.
	Women shouldn't cheat.
	But I'm telling you, that's not like a own.
	Like, hey, buddy, if you ever cheat on me, I'm going to let another guy come in my face.
	Jeez, I would never say that.
	That's not a W. I'm not calling it a win.
	I think it's an L on both sides.
	Yeah, but that's not like your reven.
	I mean, I guess it technically would be revenge if he was upset by the fact that you fucked somebody else.
	But like, it's not worth it to fuck somebody else.
	Probably not.
	Did you do that to the Olympic guy?
	No, I've never done that.
	Because he was fucking other people.
	Maybe.
	For sure.
	Yeah.
	Although it's weird that he talked to you like every day for a year and you guys never met.
	Okay.
	Wait, we were going around the table.
	Fuck, I told you.
	The bowing.
	The bow.
	Oh, would you bow for your.
	Yeah, I would do more than what was in that video.
	W. Good answer.
	Best.
	Good answer.
	What about you?
	Why are we bowing?
	Respect.
	It's a show of respect.
	And we're married or dating.
	It could be boyfriend or it could be married.
	Well, I don't ascribe marital privileges to boyfriends.
	So if it was my husband, your husband.
	Then you go home tonight or wherever your boyfriend next week.
	And you is your husband here in town?
	No.
	Okay, well, next time you see your husband, maybe you think he's watching?
	Oh, yeah, he is.
	Hi, babe.
	What's his, can you say his first name, or do you want to keep that private?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I didn't ask him.
	Okay, well, probably not, but we'll call him Chad.
	Chad.
	I like that name.
	You must insist on the bow, but next time you see her.
	But you would do it if you wanted to.
	He's so sweet.
	I would bow to him, but he wouldn't make me do that, but I would.
	Okay, what about you?
	Would you do it?
	Oh, yeah, I would do that.
	I mean, as long as it's not actually serious, serious, where he's like, if you don't do this for me, like every time I come into the room, you know, it's over.
	No, I would do that of my own volition.
	Yeah, that's just fun and cute.
	Pee little thing.
	Okay.
	It would be fun.
	Wait, so no.
	It was no, and then no, I think.
	Depends.
	Wait, how about this?
	For the not just any guy, the perfect guy, would you hit a bow?
	No.
	Really?
	I think it's weird.
	I don't.
	Well, I get that it's weird, right?
	Sure.
	It might be weird.
	It might be unorthodox.
	But not even for the perfect guy?
	No.
	So, okay.
	Here, look, you're young.
	You've not dated too much, it sounds like.
	Here's how the future is going to play out for you.
	And I could be wrong, right?
	A lot of women are really dissatisfied with dating.
	Here's what's going to happen.
	You're going to jump from guy to guy to guy to guy.
	You're going to have a series of disappointing relationship after relationship after relationship, some of which are going to cheat on you, maybe one or two of which, hopefully not, but one or two of which might be abusive.
	You're telling me that for a complete once a day, three seconds, you just have to, for the perfect guy, never cheats on you, never leaves on, never leaves you, is Way more attractive, better looking, better personality than let's be realistic here.
	Uh, there are such things as leagues, so you're gonna have to be operating in your league in terms of looks, in terms of personality, career, etc., etc.
	The perfect guy in this case would be a 10 out of 10 in looks, 10 out of 10 personality, 10 out of 10 loyalty, 10 out of 10 everything, 10 out of 10 money.
	So, he could be a billionaire.
	You wouldn't bow for a billionaire.
	No, 10 out of 10.
	Oh, my goodness.
	It's weird.
	I don't know.
	It's weird.
	It's weird, but why would I do that?
	I would honestly, for the perfect woman, I would even bow.
	And that's like that.
	I feel like that's even worse because I think if we're looking at things through the lens of like, I know you probably aren't like traditional or whatever, but like society, it's deemed more socially acceptable for a woman to be to do a submissive act, right?
	In this case, like a bow would be to some degree submissive.
	Now, I would still want to lead in this relationship, but I'm saying that this specific thing to me is completely benign.
	It takes three seconds.
	All I have to do is bow, but I'm still the leader in the relationship.
	Even though it's like would be socially unacceptable to some degree for a man to be submissive, it'd be more socially unacceptable than for a woman to do it.
	I would still do it for the perfect woman because I can tell you, first off, no one's perfect.
	And there's look, in relationships, you make um you make trade-offs.
	So in terms of you're not gonna probably get the mat you're I don't know if I'm not comfortable doing it, I don't want to do it.
	Like that's totally fine, but I it's interesting to me, like even that super small.
	Like, can I ask you a question?
	Would you like a guy to be chivalrous?
	Yeah, okay, so you want to do that?
	Like everyone wants that, right?
	Women want it, men don't have any expectation for women to be chivalrous.
	Um, do you want a guy to like, uh, I don't know, maybe there's different forms of it, uh, open the car door for you?
	Okay, you want a guy to observe the sidewalk rules so when you're walking down the street, he's closer to where the cars are, yeah, okay.
	Do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	Yeah, second date, yeah, all dates, preferably, okay, all right, so interesting, that's it's interesting.
	Um, what's some other chivalry?
	I'm surprised too.
	Yeah, would you want a guy to like pick you up for a date?
	Like, he picks you up, or yeah, I don't know.
	The act of bowing, I don't know.
	Personally, for me, it just feels like degrading, if that makes sense.
	Well, how so?
	Just like, I don't know.
	I just feel like do you want to get married one day?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, maybe I don't.
	Do you want him to buy you a ring?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does it you do you care if it's some people there's like really cheap like $20 rings on Amazon?
	Would that bother you?
	I wouldn't bother.
	Like the tradition would be to, you know, some people go overboard, but the tradition is to spend, you know, buy a nice ring, right?
	Maybe it's a couple hundred, maybe it's in the thousands.
	As long as it comes with thought and like they know what I like.
	Do you want a man to get down on one knee when he proposes to you?
	He doesn't have to.
	Well, I'm assuming you want the man to propose, right?
	Right.
	Like you don't want to propose, do you?
	Like you'd want the man to be the do the traditional thing.
	Yeah.
	So he proposes to you.
	And part of that typically entails having the ring and getting down on one knee.
	Right.
	Why is this not degrading?
	It's an act of chivalry.
	Like, do you think bowing is an act of chivalry?
	I mean, I guess it's not.
	Well, women don't do that, but I think women will show their submission in various ways.
	But you probably completely reject being submissive in a relationship.
	But I would say that I actually think that getting down on one knee, kneeling is way, well, physically, it's way more submissive.
	And I think it's way more degrading than a bow.
	At least a bow, you stay on your feet.
	Kneeling is some.
	No, it's pussy shit.
	That's that's.
	I think it's degrading to don't you think it's more gentleman like that?
	Like in comparison, like don't you think like the majority of people would think, like proposing getting on one knee and like that's more like chivalrous and gentleman?
	Comparison to like you're getting your girlfriend to bow for you, you know well, I think it's within the purview of chivalry.
	But if we're looking at the actual action and I I think i'm understanding you're, you're saying that okay people, at least in western cultures, don't bow.
	Like white people don't bow um, although they're like historically.
	If we're looking at like kings and whatever yes, that people did bow, but that's besides the point uh, whereas like it is the, it is a tradition even today, when a man's proposing to a woman to get down on one knee right, it's not, it's deemed like a socially acceptable, hip behavior, whereas the bow is not.
	But the bow is really just a litmus test.
	For are you willing to do a completely benign, harmless thing if your man asks for it?
	I just don't think i'm comfortable doing it, that's.
	But what can you?
	Can you, if i'm uncomfortable in this situation, like I don't want to do it, but demonstrate the harm.
	It's harm for me, like I just don't feel, like it just doesn't feel right in my head to do it.
	But demonstrate yeah okay, but what is the harm?
	Like physical or like well, what would the actual harm be?
	I just feel like not, like I don't, I don't know.
	I just I think we're watching cognitive dissonance in real time.
	I think that's what it is.
	It's you want and i've been there too you want the chivalry and the feminism, but that's not.
	It's not a reality.
	You're gonna have to war with that idea and you're gonna have to come to a, a winner of the of the battle.
	You can't say, I want all the chivalrous stuff, but your husband asks you to do one, one minor, you know subservient act, and you're like, no, why would I do that?
	Well, why would we expect him to open your car door, stand on the side and do this?
	No, I don't expect him to do it.
	I would prefer him to do it, but it's the same thing.
	He would prefer me to bow, but I don't want to do that.
	So well I, I mean, I argue, most of the men that you go out with pretty much are not going to hold you to any sort of traditional expectations.
	Well yeah, yeah right, they don't like.
	Here's my question, like all those, but?
	But all those things that we just listed, what is the commensurate thing that women can do?
	That that would be.
	I'm not saying that the woman has to open the car door, but what is the commensurate thing, the equivalent thing that women can do?
	So how do you be chivalrous to a man?
	Well, not chivalrous, but what so if women have the expectations?
	What are the expectations?
	Or what?
	What do women do?
	I mean like nothing no they, they obviously do stuff, which is what they could.
	What do you do?
	What I do in relationships?
	Well, what?
	Maybe not in a relationship, but I, what are the things that women do that are equivalent or commensurate to the various chivalric, chivalrous acts that women uh want, or sometimes even demand Or expect at the very forefront of dating and relationships?
	I feel like it depends on the person.
	I mean, they don't do anything.
	No, I feel like they can, like, you, I feel like usually women like book in stuff and like do like laundry for them.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	So, well, I mean, I had another position.
	I think the first time a girl ever comes over to my house, she should do my laundry.
	Would you do that?
	Not for me.
	I'm just.
	Would you do that?
	Like, first date kind of thing?
	Not necessarily the first date, but the first time you're at his house.
	I don't think I would.
	You don't think you would do it?
	No.
	So there's no way I wouldn't expect him to like.
	You expect a guy to pay for your date, though.
	Yeah, it's, I mean, would you really want to go on a date with a guy that doesn't want to pay?
	Well, I'm a man and straight.
	But I assume gay people go about things quite differently.
	But you're – wait, hold on.
	Can you repeat that last part?
	Like, wouldn't you, would any like woman really want to go on a date with a guy that doesn't want to pay?
	Now we're getting somewhere interesting.
	Okay.
	I've paid for guys on dates.
	I've paid for guys on dates too.
	Why do you say, why do you say, would a woman really want to go on a date with somebody who doesn't want to pay?
	Why is that?
	Well, it's because usually the guys asking you out on the date, I feel like it's mainly the respectful thing to do.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No.
	Ah, okay.
	So you're getting into whoever asks should pay, but whoever asks should pay conveniently ignores the fact that women overwhelmingly never initiate because there's an order of things and men historically have this societal expectation that they initiate.
	Like, for example, as a woman, you can wait around and guys will come to you, whether that's in person, online, and you don't have to do that.
	And you can pick amongst the men that pursue you.
	Unless you're like a really top-tier man, women don't pursue.
	So most men, if most men did what most women do, which is nothing, they would divergence.
	Like most men can't get away with not taking some degree of initiative or engaging in the pursuit because women don't pursue them.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's just the reality, right?
	So I guess when it comes to whoever asks should pay, I would agree with that sentiment if it was the case that men and women initiated at comparable rates.
	Even if it was maybe a bit dominated by men.
	So if 60% of the time the men initiated, 40% of the time the woman initiated, I'd still be prepared to agree with that.
	But it's definitely not 50-50 and it's definitely not even 60-40.
	I think it's probably 97 to 1, 99%.
	Men are overwhelmingly the initiators, right?
	And I don't think there's a problem with that.
	I'm not complaining, but I do think it is sort of this, you know, convenient thing to just say, well, men are, if you ask somebody out, well, you should pay.
	Well, if there's like massive social pressure that precludes women from being initiators, well, I don't know if it's social pressure more so, like a place of privilege.
	Like if a girl comes to me, like y'all, y'all have had this shit on lock for a minute.
	Things are changing a little bit, but like you have way more leverage.
	If you're the one being pursued, you have way more leverage.
	Women don't want to give up their leverage.
	If a girl's coming to me, I can set what it's going to be.
	I can dictate the terms.
	Now, you can still kind of do that as the pursuer to some degree, but like if a girl's coming to you, it's going to be my way.
	Things are going to be my way if a girl's coming to me.
	And whereas the reverse, things are a little different.
	Yeah, I also think it's interesting how, like, I think you kind of listed a lot of like wants and expectations from a man.
	Then you have to really think, like, it's almost like, why should you get that if you're not willing to, like, give a little as well.
	And I'm not even talking about finances or anything that I'm talking about, again, that submission.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's like, pay for this, open my door, protect me, this, this, this, let me, but let me do whatever I want as well.
	But like, in the context of bowing, like, I just, I just don't feel comfortable.
	Like, I feel, I don't know, I just feel, I would feel bad about myself.
	And I, I'd hope like my partner wouldn't want me to feel bad about myself if I do this action for them.
	So I'd hope that they'd like understand that.
	You know, it's, I understand that.
	And I get the bow, like, culturally is peculiar.
	It's unorthodox.
	It's not something that we do.
	But in this case, something that, I mean, I asked about the cooking or the cleaning or the doing the laundry.
	And what's interesting to me is, and I'm not saying this is the case for you, but like you'll have women who will have no problem having sex right away.
	Have, you know, and I'm not saying that that's wrong, but I think it's interesting.
	On one hand, you'll have a woman who will like give her entire body to a man.
	Like, this is one of the most intimate things you can do.
	Although it's, you know, it's interesting.
	A lot of people, for some people, like, it's weird.
	Like, holding hands for some people is more intimate than having sex, which is kind of like or kissing.
	Well, I don't think so.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	But like, for some people, sex is like this just like they're completely detached intimacy from it.
	It's just like it's just sport fucking for a lot of people.
	To the point where, okay, like a man can be inside of me, but oh, if I hold a guy's hand, that's more intimate than sex.
	And you're saying same with bowing, that it's almost like you're saying sex is okay, but bowing isn't.
	Well, the point I was going to make is even off of bowing, but it could be related to bowing.
	A woman will like, I mean, look, some people get freaky, a little freaky with sex.
	Like, you'll be cho, I'm going to be a little graphic here, but I'm being graphic, not for the sake of being graphic, but to drive home the point.
	A woman will choke on a guy's dick, will have, let him come inside, let him come in your mouth, you'll swallow his cum.
	You'll let him blast on your face, you'll let him blast on your back, you'll do back shots, you'll let him come inside your pussy.
	But women draw the line at, I don't cook, I don't clean, I won't bow, I won't do his laundry.
	And I'm like, hold it.
	You should be doing all of it.
	Well, yes, you should do all of that.
	But it's like, the bow is uncomfortable, but I'll let a man like I'll let a man inside me within 30 minutes of meeting.
	You'll take his load, but you won't do his load.
	Yes, wait, wait, wait, repeat that, Felicity.
	You'll take his load, but you won't do his load.
	Well put.
	You'll take his load, but you won't do his load.
	I feel like with dating, it makes you a rare woman if you just do everything.
	Like, I'll bow, then I'll fall to my knees, and I'll cook and I'll clean.
	It's like, because you love them that much.
	Like, you just want to do everything for them.
	Yeah.
	You want to pay for them.
	Yeah.
	And honestly, like, the easier my man's life is, the easier mine is.
	Yeah.
	Just make them happy.
	And it could be like the bowing thing is like fun and cute to me.
	And like you can make your own version of it.
	Imagine like wearing a cute little skirt or something like that.
	I love this.
	It's so cute.
	And here's the truth with it, right?
	Like I, in practice, like I actually don't care if the girl like doesn't bow, but it's her willingness to do it.
	Yes.
	Like that's actually, it's not the actual act itself.
	It's the willingness to do it.
	It's not like I'm some dictator.
	It's like you didn't fucking bow to me today.
	No, I don't give a fuck.
	Like I don't actually care.
	But it's like it's a temperature test.
	It's a litmus test for like, okay, is she going to acquiesce to me in other ways in the relationship?
	And so, but, but I mean, getting off the bow, because look, again, I get it, it's kind of like a bit odd, it's a bit culturally, doesn't make sense.
	Um, but like you mentioned how you wouldn't do a guy's laundry on the first date or not the first date, the first time you're at his house, right?
	Um, but you expect a guy to pay for the first date, right?
	And I was thinking about this, and I think the easiest way I can like so, okay, you're dating college guys, right?
	Sure, college men, people in college are not typically known for being particularly high earners.
	Uh, maybe they have parents' money, whatever, whatever.
	Let's say the guy makes $20 an hour, probably a good chance like a lot of guys in college make less than $20 an hour.
	Here in California, we have a minimum wage that's pretty decent.
	Maybe it's $16, $17, $18, $19, whatever.
	When you ask a guy, and look, I know you seem reasonable.
	I'm not, I don't get the impression that you're expecting a guy to take you on, you know, some $500 dinner, right?
	You're probably fine with maybe some pizza or chilies or some shit, right?
	But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
	But I think, like, if you go to Chili's, right?
	You go to Chili's on a date, which I think most women are not going to be, like, super impressed with a Chili's date.
	Apple Chili's.
	Absolutely.
	Chili's is good.
	But it's not exactly like, okay, the most if you're going to go do, I think dinner dates are lame as fuck, but if you're going to do a dinner date, Chili's is not like exactly the most impressive.
	Do you watch Wicked?
	I do.
	Thank you.
	But like, if a woman's expectation, or maybe when you get a bit older and he takes you to a, you know, a medium-tier place, like, he's going to spend probably at minimum $100 on the date, right?
	And you would say, okay, well, half of that's for him, so whatever.
	We're not going to count that.
	But $100 on a date is going to be like one or two drinks, an appetizer, main course, dessert, and tip, right?
	A guy's going to, I don't think it's completely, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a guy's going to pay $100 on the first date.
	That's super reasonable, especially in this economy.
	If the guy makes $20 an hour and he's spending $100 on a date for the total, the total date, that's five hours of work he has to do.
	Just for your portion, though, to be fair, that's two and a half hours of work if he's making $20 an hour.
	So I'm thinking like, hold on.
	And I don't think it's rare for women to expect men to pay for first dates.
	In fact, some women, maybe it's not a deal breaker if you go 50-50.
	Some women, definitely a deal breaker.
	If it's the standard that women say, you need to pay for the first date, that translates to, you need to work two and a half hours to take me out.
	And what if the guy works a labor job?
	What if his job is difficult?
	What if his job is, I don't know, what if he's a janitor?
	What if he's cleaning bathrooms?
	Construction.
	Or yeah, I mean, or he works a restaurant job and he's fucking running around cleaning tables and shit.
	And he has to, all the shit that he has to do in the restaurant.
	Or yeah, construction, he's breaking his body.
	I start to think like, you know, the bow seems like kind of a small ask compared to the ask of women, go work two hours to take me on a date.
	I mean, that's, that's the entailment of men should pay on first dates.
	You work two hours to take me on a date.
	Like if I told you, no, you don't have to bow, but go dig a ditch for two and a half hours, then we can go on a date.
	You would laugh at me and be like, the fuck, I'm not going to do that.
	Right?
	I mean, I don't really know.
	Like, yeah, like, totally.
	Like, I mean, if he can't, if he can't pay, then, like, he can't pay.
	As long as, like, I'm having fun on the date, and then if he communicates with me beforehand, like, hey, like, I'm sorry, like, I can't pay and stuff, I'd be like, okay, that's totally fine.
	We can do something else, or we can do something that's.
	Well, I mean, if he can't pay, you should probably plan something for free.
	But it was your position earlier.
	I understand there can be circumstances where you would go on a date with a guy, and you guys, maybe he doesn't have money, and you would, I mean, you're in college.
	That's, I don't think it's peculiar that most college, a lot of college guys don't have money.
	Yeah.
	You'd go do something for free.
	But you still did say you have some expectation that the guy would pay for dates.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Right.
	But that expectation built into it is: okay, if he's going to spend $20, $40, $50 for your portion of the date, which I don't think is an unreasonable number for a guy to spend on the date, that means working one, two, three, four hours to take you on the date.
	So it's like, why are women allowed to have these expectations?
	But it's like weird and icky for guys to be like, you should bow.
	You should do the laundry.
	I don't like the bow.
	But you wouldn't do the laundry the first time you go to a guy's house, which could be the second, third, fourth.
	Don't you think it's a little weird he would ask me to bow on the first date, though?
	Yeah, I'm granting that it's weird, but when it comes to the laundry, you said you wouldn't do that.
	Yeah, I think it's weird that like if like I went over to a guy's house and he'd be like, oh, can you do my laundry?
	I'd be like, no.
	Maybe if I were in like a long-term relationship with him and I lived with him, yeah, for sure.
	So should men wait until they're in long-term relationships and only start paying for dates then?
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	I mean, no, I do know.
	I mean.
	Should men withhold chivalry until the girlfriend, or sorry, until the woman's his girlfriend.
	I don't think they'd get into a relationship so they didn't have chivalry, though.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	You're right.
	Yeah.
	You're spot on.
	The men have to front load.
	Men have to front load all the traditional gender roles or whatever.
	They have to front load it.
	And some women are, okay, now that we're in a relationship, now we can be more 50-50.
	Some women do that.
	Although some women still have the expectation that it continues on in perpetuity.
	But it's interesting.
	So I guess the question again, though, comes to what do women do?
	What do you want them to do?
	Well, I'm asking you, though.
	I'm asking you.
	I know what I want women to do.
	Like, what do I do?
	What do you do?
	What do any women do, really?
	You probably like paint his fingernails or something.
	What the fuck?
	She probably like paints his fingernails.
	It's like for real.
	You're being pursued.
	That's a liberal judgment.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Like, if you're the one being pursued, what are you supposed to do?
	Don't bless you like that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, because usually women are not the ones pursuing.
	So, I mean, I don't know what we're supposed to do in like the beginning talking stage.
	I know what to do in like a relationship, but if you're being pursued, I don't know what to do.
	You could also pay 50-50.
	Well, that is the, I would say that that is, in fact, the dynamic is that there isn't really an expectation on what women should do.
	I think that there would be like a degree of submissive, of not being a pain in the ass, making yourself available, but acquiescing and deferring to him.
	But I would argue, like, I mean, shit, if the first time a girl comes over to my house, yeah, she should do the laundry.
	But you know my take on that.
	Well, you would do it, but whatever.
	Yeah, I mean, I like to be, I like to make his life convenient.
	If he's working to pay for the date, he's probably not going to have time to do his own laundry.
	So I get that.
	I'll help him out if he really needs help.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Plus, it's kind of fun.
	Put some music on.
	I enjoy doing laundry.
	The bow thing is just to see if she'll do one really easy, effortless, completely benign thing just to make her man happy.
	That's it.
	I'll do it.
	Regardless of how silly it is.
	How about here?
	Here's a question.
	Can I ask a question, Brian?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	It's in line with what you're asking, but I have a feeling that it's the bowing.
	It's some type of showing some type of submission that you just don't feel like he's owed yet, right?
	You're not subordinate to him.
	You're his equal.
	You don't want him to think that you're less than him.
	Is that where we're going?
	I'm just not comfortable with doing it.
	Like, if I don't want to do it, I don't want to do it.
	So, what if, and I don't know you very well, what if he had a he got some driving tickets, like speeding tickets, and he had to take some tests, what are they called, defensive driving tests online?
	And he's like, well, can you take the tests for me while we're on a date at home?
	Like, I have to finish these tests.
	Otherwise, I can't do X, Y, and Z. Would you take those defensive driving courses online for him?
	No.
	You wouldn't?
	I don't think so.
	No, I wouldn't.
	I mean, he got the ticket.
	He should do it.
	I mean, like, I have my own life.
	I have to do other things.
	But you're like with him and y'all are dating.
	And he's like, oh, I can't go on the date because I got to take these tests.
	And we're hanging out anyways.
	Will you take these tests for me?
	No, I wouldn't.
	You would tell him, no, I won't.
	No.
	Is it like, are you saying he's busy working and that's why he doesn't have time?
	Like, he can't go on the date because he wants to take you out.
	And you're like, hey, I'm here to go out on our date.
	And he's like, well, I can't go out on the date because I've got to take these defensive driving courses.
	And otherwise, I can't do whatever.
	And you're like, well, I'll, and you're over.
	He's like, well, can you help me with them?
	I've got to do this and do this.
	And then maybe we can go on a date or, but I have to get this done.
	Can you help me with it?
	I haven't studied.
	I mean, I wouldn't know what he, like, I, would I have to say that?
	But he knows, but you're smarter than him.
	You are unequivocally smarter than him.
	He knows that he picked the right girlfriend.
	Could you help him and take this for him and show him that you're going to help him take these?
	I think I would help him, but I wouldn't like take it.
	So you would help him?
	Yes, I would help him.
	Yeah, but like, it's like, I would help him with other stuff too.
	But I, just like the bowing thing, like, I just can't.
	But you, but you would help him take those online courses.
	I would help him, but I wouldn't do it for him.
	I feel like it's like, like, like, if he told me, like, oh, sit down, take it for me, instead of me, like, him and I sitting side by side.
	And I'm like, okay, like, this is like why this.
	So y'all will sit side by side on your day.
	You say, hey, in lieu of the date, we're going to take this test since he can't take me out on this test, on this date.
	You would always reschedule a date, you know?
	But you would stay with him and take the test with him.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you do have some traditional gender expectations of men.
	Do you think, and I'm assuming you're totally fine with that?
	Yeah.
	Like, you want that even.
	Is it okay for men to have traditional gender expectations of women?
	Depends what they are.
	Being submissive.
	I don't feel it.
	I. Like, what would be a one?
	It's the same thing with men.
	Like, it depends, like, what they are.
	Like, you know.
	What do you mean?
	Like, you're saying, like, if I, like, if men should have traditional expectations of women, it's the same thing.
	Like, with men, like, it depends, it depends what they are for them.
	Well, I don't even know the traditional gender expectations that women have that they have of men that they've abandoned at any point.
	So, like, the traditional order of things, women haven't relinquished any of their demands for men, but it seems like women definitely want men to relinquish traditional demands of women.
	But so what are the are there any like okay I guess if there's a traditional expectation on what can men expect from women are we allowed to have expectations of women?
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay, what are those things care for them like that goes both ways yeah exactly but so when we're talking about gender roles then we're we're talking about thing man does and then thing woman does.
	So caring for each other goes both ways.
	Right.
	But I can list things that are completely exclusive to men that women seem to one directionally care about.
	So it's like, okay, paying for the date.
	Well, in order for somebody, only one person can pay for the date.
	Well, you can go 50-50, but typically men don't have an expectation that the woman pays for the entire date the same way that women expect men to pay for the entire date.
	Okay, all those other acts of chivalry that we talked about, opening the car door, being a provider, being a protector, continuing to pay for dates, observing the sidewalk rule.
	These are like one, these are one-directional, unilateral expectations that women place on men that I think would fall under like a traditional gender role expectation.
	So what women have said, I think, is, I want to be a modern woman.
	I think it goes like this.
	I want the benefits of modernity.
	I want the benefits of traditional treatment.
	I want to reject, though, the women want to also coincidingly reject perhaps ways in which traditional gender roles don't are not beneficial to them.
	So I think, though, that that's a raw deal for men.
	Why is it that even modern women are still holding men to traditional gender role expectations, but women get to completely abandon any sort of traditional expectation on their end?
	I feel like not all women do.
	I mean, obviously.
	You have, though.
	I have, yeah.
	But do you think that's fair?
	I mean, fair in, like, in what sense?
	Like, it's because you expect a man to be very traditional, but you're not, like, willing.
	Like, you seem very unwilling to even entertain the idea of being a traditional woman.
	So you're wanting full freedom, but wanting expectation from the man at the same time.
	Like, it's going to clash no matter what.
	Yeah.
	Well, I feel like it's what we talked about and stuff.
	Like, I'd obviously like sit with a man and like help him with stuff.
	So it's like, I'm not expecting him to be like all like all the time like paying for my food, like all that stuff.
	It's like obviously would split stuff and like does that make sense?
	Yeah, it does.
	Okay.
	In regard to what, to try and bring it full circle, I think it's what do women have to offer?
	And even in a dating format, we have our submissiveness to offer.
	That's a power that we do have to give because we don't expect them to pay or we expect them to pay.
	We expect them to protect us.
	We expect all these things that are like, it's like it's intuitive for you.
	Like, well, of course a woman wants the guy to do that.
	Wouldn't you go, you're going to go out on a date with the guy?
	Well, why?
	Like, have you asked yourself, why do I assume all these properties for this guy and give him literally nothing?
	What do you, like, for, like, what do you, what are qualities of like submissive, like to you?
	Just so I can understand.
	So that example I gave you was a little, it was, it was so specific because it actually happened.
	Okay.
	And in the meantime, while it was happening, I didn't think about it, but the way we behaved with each other, he was deciding this is the type of person I want to be my wife, who I want to raise my children.
	She's competent, she's really smart, but she's also willing to help me and wash my dishes and do my laundry.
	And she's even doing all these other things, but she's not saying she's too big or too bold or too great to do these things for me.
	And over time, that added up in his mind.
	He was willing to just pay for everything, even though he had no money at all at all for a very long time.
	He was willing to do all those things because I was, I didn't know what I was doing, but I was giving a little bit and he was giving a little bit.
	But I was just giving what I could as a woman, and he was giving what he could as a man.
	Right.
	And like, I feel like I would definitely like do those kinds of actions if like I was in like a really long-term relationship.
	But like what you said, if like I was going over to his house for the first time, I wouldn't want to do his laundry.
	But why not?
	I just, if I don't know the guy, like if I'm like.
	Why are you going to his house if you don't know him?
	Don't people go on?
	I don't go to any guy's house that I don't know.
	I wouldn't.
	I feel like that's like the modern thing.
	Like a lot of people go over to the channel.
	For the first date.
	It's a bit different.
	No, but like we're hoping that by the time you're going to his house, there's like some sort of rapport established.
	Like some sort of like relationship or some sort of not full-blown relationship, but just it's not like comfortable.
	Yeah, like I'm not just meeting you today and at your house.
	Like it's further than that.
	You get what I'm saying?
	I feel like it, well, for me, I feel like I'd have to start with we're both doing the laundry together.
	And then when it gets to that point, like I could, I would do the laundry.
	You're thinking about it.
	Would you be feminist?
	No, I'd say like not like extreme, but like you want equality.
	You want you want, I mean, I'm just hearing, I didn't want to label you feminist, but a lot of what you're saying is it needs to be equal.
	It needs to be equal.
	But I don't think you're understanding how you're describing it isn't as equal as you're thinking it is in your mind.
	No, I understand.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm just trying to like get my like I would do those actions if he would work with me on them.
	Like so we laundry.
	We do like laundry together at first and then like if I enjoyed doing the laundry and stuff and even if he asked me he's like hey can you do the laundry this time obviously I would yeah and then it'll and then all the time things will be 50 50.
	Just 50 50 is gonna be the basis of y'all's relationship doesn't have to be 50 50.
	No, no, no, but that's what you're but that's the but that's what I'm trying to say.
	So it's like so that means like the 50 50 laundry 50 50 dates.
	So that's just that's gonna be the yeah, okay.
	I mean I've been in relationships like that before and it's totally fine with me, you know?
	I guess here's my perspective.
	Like do you want a guy to lead in the relationship?
	I mean here's a super fairy here's a bit of a super quick test though and leading in a relationship is a bit different than the initiative taker but I think these are somewhat related and interconnected.
	So do you want a guy to make the first move?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I mean, you said you've never asked a guy out.
	So I mean, it occurs to me that because of this de facto, you do want a guy.
	Well yeah, but like i'm like, do you mean like asking them to like, or like pushing them to make the first move, or just like naturally like, because like what?
	Well, I mean how would?
	So you would walk up to a guy and be like hey, you should hit on me, like that would be you making the first.
	No, but like giving them the intention to make the first move.
	Well, that would be you taking okay, that would be first move, that would be you making the first move.
	But I mean, has that been the case for you?
	You're like hey buddy no, can you.
	No yeah so okay, you want a guy to make the first move.
	Do you want a guy?
	So that could be like, have you ever been like approached after class or on school or at a party or something like this, yeah right um, or maybe they slide into a dm.
	Or have you had a dating app before?
	No okay, no dating apps.
	But you've maybe had a guy slide into your dms.
	Yeah, has that gone anywhere?
	Or no uh I, I usually don't respond.
	Okay, so you meet people organically in person?
	Yeah, okay.
	So from there, i'm assuming okay, let's say, a guy who you do think is cute comes up to you, you want him to initiate beyond just hi, like you probably want him to carry the conversation a little bit fair.
	Yeah okay, then i'm assuming you want him to ask for your number.
	Yeah, get social media whatever, and then he probably has to make the first move text, you first.
	I mean, it depends on who gets the number, because some, like I mean the girl can, the girl can ask too.
	It doesn't like, do you, though?
	Most of the time the guy asks for the number yeah, most of the time yeah okay, and then from there he's most of the time the guy is going to be like hey, we should hang out this day, so something like that, right to that effect.
	Okay, from there, then you meet up with him and then from there i'm assuming he's going to, maybe he sets the plan, meet me here this time.
	Blah blah blah, um.
	From there, moving things forward um, whether it's the first set and you could watch rinse, repeat the step until you're comfortable enough, or whatever, but moving things forward, do you want him to initiate the first kiss yeah okay like, have you been the one who goes in or does?
	I mean, I feel like it's like have both.
	You know girls say that, but I don't know.
	It's too like girls say that like to process it.
	I feel like usually the guy is usually the guy, yeah go, and I get that, you meet yeah, you go into, but the guy is gonna initiate it so um uh, and then moving things forward from there physically.
	I'm assuming you have some expectation that the guy move things forward from there, like physically yeah physically, like you know whatever, you're open up whatever um okay, so in at least in that dynamic you do want that.
	I mean, that's a major component of traditional gender roles that often gets like overlooked, because that's actually I personally think the burden of initiative is kind of a massive component and massive bur.
	I don't want to frame it like a burden, but it is something that kind of uniquely typically falls on men.
	Yeah.
	For the most part.
	So my perspective is, is as women, if you want men to be leaders and take initiative, I think that one, that ought to continue throughout the course of the relationship.
	And I think most women do want that to continue through the course of the relationship.
	But if you want a guy to be a leader, you need to be a follower.
	Like, I can't lead somebody who, like, if I compare it to a dance, there's a leader and a follower.
	You can't have two people leading in the dance.
	You're going to trip over each other's toes.
	In a relationship, I feel it's the same way.
	I'm not saying the man's a dictator.
	I'm not saying he's a tyrant.
	I'm not saying you can't give, you can't, you know, I'm going to completely ignore all your opinions and et cetera.
	But I don't, like, in order for me to have responsibility in a relationship, I need some level of authority in that relationship.
	So if I'm, and also if like men's traditional roles are protecting, and that's not just like if I'm going to protect, it's not just like some guy's going to mug us.
	It's not just physical protection.
	It's protecting the relationship.
	It's protecting you in spirit, protecting you in mind.
	And I do think talking about like people have bad habits and shit.
	I do think it's the case.
	Sometimes women have dated guys who either were doormats or they dated guys who were a bit weak.
	And women might be a bit lippy or might be a little sassy or might be XYZ with a guy.
	And you got to tell her, like, that's not how it's going to be with me.
	But in addition to that, there's certain, like, and I think you're probably going to disagree with me on this.
	And look, I think it's perhaps an age difference here too, because I think when you're in college, people like to party and drink and whatever.
	But if you're in a relationship with a guy, say you really liked him, you've been dating him for a year, and you're in a sorority, so you go to parties, I'm imagining.
	If your boyfriend was like, you're asking him, hey, what do you think about this outfit?
	And he's like, too revealing.
	Don't want you to wear it.
	Would you be affronted?
	Is that a fucking word?
	Affronted?
	Would you be?
	Not affront, but would you be take affront to your boyfriend saying, hey, I don't want you to wear that?
	I'd be a little like upset.
	Would it be controlling?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about if he was like, hey, that's hard because I want to be charitable with the age difference when people are 18, 19, 20, 21, whatever.
	They're partying.
	Although there's women that age who don't party and drink or whatever.
	But if your boyfriend was like, hey, look, maybe you can envision yourself when you're a bit older and you're mid to late 20s.
	And your boyfriend, who you really like and you think he's a great guy, maybe he's even the one.
	He's like, hey, I don't want you going out to bars.
	I don't want you going out to clubs.
	What's your response?
	I feel like I'd have to have like, I try to understand his point of view, but also I feel like I feel like that's like a lack of trust on his part.
	Lack of trust.
	I mean, like, obviously I'm going to be loyal to him when I go out and stuff.
	But I do want to have, like, I'm going to go out with my girlfriends, obviously, but I want to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But he doesn't want you to do that, though.
	You can go get brunch with your girlfriends.
	You can go get, you, you want to go get a dinner with your girlfriends.
	He doesn't want you at the bar.
	He doesn't want you at the club.
	You don't like it, do you?
	It's like, I don't prefer it.
	You don't prefer it.
	I don't prefer it.
	Right.
	What does a bar and a club have for you there?
	That like brunch or a nice dinner or like there's like Christmas.
	Like what is it about a bar and a club that makes it like for you that like what is that like how does that add to your life?
	Like what's the benefit of a bar?
	I'm just having fun with my friends.
	Like you know like but why does it have to be that and like how does that allow you guys to be like progress like progress in life like you can have brunch with your girlfriends where you guys are discussing your potential law school or things like that.
	Like isn't that more like beneficial to you as like a whole individual?
	It could be beneficial, but it's like it's not for the benefit.
	I just want to have fun.
	Let me ask you this.
	So you're dating a guy, you're in your mid-20s, late 20s, and he wants to go to the strip club with his boys.
	Do you have an issue with it?
	The cognitive dissonance.
	You're struggling with that thought because you're like, why would he dare go to the strip club?
	But why would you go there?
	Wait, well, let's get the answer first.
	Would you have an issue with it?
	He wants to go, then he wants to go.
	I trust him.
	But it's not ideal, though.
	It's not ideal, but I'm not going to be like, no, you can't go.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, I think in relationships, there are instances where you can say, I don't want you to do that.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't want you to fuck that person, obviously.
	Right.
	Don't have sex with that person, you know?
	Otherwise, I won't be here.
	But.
	And what if he said no?
	Then I break up with him.
	But look, and or not break up.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Like, like, no to the client?
	Like, no, you're like not going.
	No, no.
	So say, like, how he was saying, like, there's going to be things that you're not going to want your significant other to do.
	And what if he looked at you in your face and was like, well, that makes me uncomfortable.
	I like to look at ass on the pole.
	I want to go because my boys are going.
	I don't care how you feel.
	This is just what you're going to, like, this is what I'm doing.
	Like, it doesn't, that doesn't sound good, does it?
	No, it doesn't.
	And, like, obviously we'd have like a conversation about it.
	But it's like, okay, like, if he's, if he wants to go, then I can't stop him.
	Like, you know, he's going to make his own decisions.
	He's a grown adult.
	And you're going to be okay with that.
	And I'm just asking just to understand.
	No, yeah.
	I mean, obviously, like, it's going to make me a little bit uncomfortable, but like, I can't stop a person from doing something that they want to do.
	Right.
	Just like he, I guess he wouldn't be able to stop you from going to the club or the bar.
	So you guys are just going to, we're just going to go to the club and bar and strip clubs.
	That's just.
	Healthy.
	So healthy.
	So fun.
	So loving.
	I mean, we're in our 20s.
	I mean, like, I don't want to like.
	You could be serious in your 20s as well.
	I don't know if I want to be, though.
	Like, fair.
	You know?
	Like, I don't even know if I like want to like relationship.
	But I mean, even besides like a relationship, I think that the things that you do in your free time are going to benefit or set you back on the things that you want to do, you know?
	So I just don't think there's any benefit to the club and the bar.
	And honestly, if I could go back in time, I would take a lot of party in a way.
	Yes.
	Hey, that's fair.
	I guess, I don't know.
	We've been like kind of jumping around from different topic to different topic.
	But trying to think here.
	I was going to tie it back into the like for the perfect man, would you not work or whatever?
	I guess when it relates to we were talking about being submissive and traditional gender roles and all this stuff, I do think that like you wouldn't be submissive, it sounds like to your boyfriend or future husband.
	Like you'd want a more 50-50 equality dynamic.
	Is that fair to say?
	I'm just not that type of submit.
	Like I'm not as I don't think I'm a submissive person really.
	I guess here's what when I was asking earlier though, like for a perfect guy and he's rich and you never have to work.
	And I understand that career can meet more than just a financial need.
	It can meet a fulfillment need.
	You can feel like you're doing something.
	It can keep you busy.
	Sometimes it can be fun, exciting, whatever.
	But also a lot of times it's a lot of work, especially as a lawyer.
	There's a lot of, you know, a lot of paperwork.
	It can be stressful, long hours, et cetera, et cetera.
	And some of it might be undesirable work, right?
	But in totality, you would say, well, in totality, I want to do it, right?
	But even looking at other jobs, you're working in some corporation, whatever.
	The reason I ask that question of, would you give up career in college for the perfect man who's rich is I think that women have traded because they don't want, well, I mean, there's other components here.
	Women, you have traded being submissive to a husband to being submissive to an employer, to a boss, to a corporation.
	Right.
	And it's interesting to me, though, because On one hand, I think that a husband typically, and I think a lot of men are, especially today, are not at all demanding, and many men are doormats.
	And I think a lot of women fucking run their relationships, not going to lie.
	But even then, if you were to come across a guy who has wanted a more traditional dynamic, were you more submissive?
	Women still wouldn't make the trade, but it's – I'm trying to think the best way to phrase this.
	I think a corporation is going to be more cold than a husband.
	I think a corporation is going to ask you for more than your husband.
	The corporation, your boss is going to say, show up at 6 a.m. at 7 a.m., 8 a.m., wear this.
	I mean, that's literally work.
	Wear a uniform.
	We say yes to us.
	Wear a uniform.
	Like most men, maybe if the guy's like, hey, just don't wear revealing, but wear whatever the fuck you want.
	Like he's not going to be like, okay, you have to wear a blouse today.
	You have to wear whatever.
	Like most men, you have kind of freedom in terms of selection.
	But if a guy's like, hey, I don't want you to wear, like, go out in public with your ass hanging out, which a lot of women do, that's somehow an issue.
	But of course, that would never fly in the workplace.
	Like, if your job was like, look, we don't want you to, you know, we need you to dress modestly in the workplace.
	Yeah.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, boss.
	Even like super liberal women, they're going to be like, oh, of course, like in a professional workplace setting, I'm going to wear like a suit or whatever, whatever women wear, like a dress, skirt, whatever.
	But like your boyfriend doesn't want you to go to the club with your titties popping out and you're fucking wearing a mini skirt.
	Whoa, okay, that's controlling.
	You've traded submission from your husband, your boyfriend to your employer.
	Your employer says, clean that mess up.
	If you're working in a restaurant, clean that up.
	First day.
	Go deal with them.
	Clean that up.
	Scrub the dishes or do whatever.
	Clean up the mess.
	Do this, do that, do that, do that.
	I think a husband, a boyfriend is going to ask you for a lot less.
	And I don't know.
	You guys have traded it.
	You've traded it.
	Honestly, that's such a great perspective.
	I never actually thought about it in that way.
	But honestly, like everything that you said that you're willing to do and what you're not willing to do is literally submitting to a job.
	But the job doesn't love you.
	The job is not going to care about you like that.
	The job is not going to care if you're sick.
	The job is not going to care if your mom gets cancer.
	They'll fire you.
	Yeah, but you know who are you having bad period cramps?
	Your job does not care, but your husband would.
	Your cold corporation.
	The cold corporation that's true.
	You know, they'll look and look, I'll be charitable here.
	Yeah, you could marry a guy who, whatever, he divorces you.
	That could happen too.
	You could lose the marriage.
	But just like with a job, you can, like women will say in response to, well, okay, but your husband could leave you.
	Okay, well, your job could fire you.
	Well, you can find a new job.
	Well, you can find a new husband.
	Yeah.
	But it's like, I think this idea of like a rejection of a more submissive dynamic in a relationship, it's like, well, okay, you've great.
	So, okay, you won't date the millionaire guy who in this hypothetical scenario, you won't do it for the millionaire guy who treats you perfectly, perfectly loyal, will never leave you.
	You never have to work a day in your life.
	You never have to lift a finger.
	Or you'll be like a, I mean, I'm thinking of like the waitress who makes like $15 an hour and she's like busing tables and taking order, taking order, like meal orders, not orders, orders.
	She's cleaning shit up, fucking busting her ass.
	And like that girl, she'll do that.
	But like a guy comes along, hey, I'm doing well.
	You don't have to work.
	Let me take care of you.
	It's like an affront.
	Oh my God, my feminist brain can't comprehend.
	I don't know.
	It's interesting.
	It's a good idea.
	It is backwards.
	It's so anti-family as well.
	Absolutely.
	Anti-tradition.
	It's like you take both parents out of the home.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Shit.
	Okay.
	Well, food for thought.
	Food for thought.
	Look, I'm not saying it's been a massive trade, though, in society.
	I'm not saying that we should, that I think it's that I'm not saying that women shouldn't be allowed to work or anything like that.
	I'm just saying I'm speaking descriptively.
	So descriptively, it is the case that although, look, this idea that women were 100% precluded from working in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, that's bullshit.
	That's BS.
	This idea that women couldn't work, complete bullshit.
	Now, there were some components of the economy where, but like socially, it was less expected of women.
	There was an expectation for family and children.
	But it's this interesting trade.
	It's this interesting trade where it's like, okay, well, now there's an economic reality where, I mean, corporations love it.
	The U.S. government tax system loves it.
	Now, the cat's out of the bag.
	I don't think we can ever really fix this.
	But I'm not saying women should be prevented from working, but it's like, okay.
	Now it takes two incomes to raise a house to have a household, to have a family.
	And people are even, even if you have two incomes, people are like economically looking at it like, man, this is fucked up.
	Like you got two incomes and you can't even pay rent.
	You can't buy a house.
	Shit's expensive.
	It's all fucked.
	It's gigafucked.
	And look, I'm just saying it's descriptively, it is the case that when you double the labor pool, that's going to corporations fucking love that.
	Oh, yeah.
	And the tax system loves that.
	Yeah, even the Airbnb I'm in, like, I can see the family.
	It's like a husband and a wife, and they still actually have to like rent out a part of, they built a tiny home in their backyard.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's like, even with, at this point, even with two incomes, it's still not enough.
	They're having to have a stranger sleep in their backyard, you know, because I am a stranger.
	So it is this dilemma because obviously, obviously, you know, people should have freedom and should have choice.
	But like the old order of things where there was where there was a sort of like, okay, the man's the breadwinner.
	The woman is taken care of.
	She takes care of the kids, stays at home.
	The man goes out to work.
	I think there's something there where it's like, what have been the economic manifestations of like opening the floodgates of we're going to try this experiment where women are going to put off having family,
	having children until their late 20s, early 30s, and we're going to Double the labor pool, so then corporate which corporations love because you basically effectively cut the wage that you have to pay people in half.
	I'm not saying we shouldn't have done it, but I'm saying here are the perhaps unintended consequences of doubling the labor pool.
	Yeah, there's like almost just exactly there's like a surplus of workers at this point and like not enough actual like quality jobs to where one income is okay.
	I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like now like employ, like being an employee isn't as valuable anymore.
	And well, I think the other thing is something about like on one hand, yes, you've given women more choice, but you've also taken the choice away from women who wanted or who want a traditional dynamic because that's really rare now for a guy to be able to make enough money to just be like, nah, you don't have to work.
	Now it's like a necessity.
	It's no longer women have a choice of pursuing career, but there's no longer this other choice that women used to have, which was like you had a choice as a woman in the 50s, in the 60s.
	Oh, I'll, you know what?
	I'll find a guy and we'll get married and have kids.
	And I want to stay at home.
	That choice has almost entirely been taken away from women.
	Yeah.
	And even now, like even some stay-at-home moms actually still have to come up with like a passive income from home just to be able to still help.
	Like I'm talking about even if it's baking sourdough bread, they're not just doing it for their family.
	They're actually having to like sell it and bake 300 loaves a week.
	Like I follow these creators.
	I like sourdough.
	But like the point is, is even being a stay-at-home mom, it's like because of the way the economy is, it's still required.
	Like that means as a stay-at-home mom, I still actually have to make a passive income somehow.
	I have to become innovative.
	I got diapers or I got things.
	I have a 11-year-old.
	So yeah, I was a young mom.
	But so, and even that with me, like my son's father is dead and I've had to take over.
	So I understood when I heard that.
	So I've had to take over in ways.
	And let me tell you something.
	Mama tired.
	Okay.
	I'm tired.
	You know, I don't, I don't want to do this.
	I don't, you know, and you are young.
	So I think there's some naivety and ignorance is bliss, which is why I think you're so like you feel so strongly about having things a specific way.
	But I promise you, as you get older, you are going to be humbled in ways that you wish you weren't, you know?
	So yeah, that's fair to say.
	Like I'm definitely like, I don't know everything in the world.
	Like I'm in college.
	So some of the stuff that like I'm learning right now, like I don't even know if it's 100% true.
	I just, I just want you to be very open and not be so stuck in the circled reasoning of I want what I want, but, and that's just it.
	Like you're going to get stuck in a circle and happiness is never going to be able to be attained because you're going to be trying to fulfill yourself constantly.
	And it's just not going to be, you're not going to be capable to fulfill yourself.
	It's just, there's always going to be some sort of unhappiness or something you're looking for in some shape or form, you know?
	Yeah, yeah, I definitely like hear you.
	Like I, I am taking it from a different perspective now and like obviously like I'm trying to understand it from all perspectives.
	Like obviously I know my opinion is not going to be everyone's opinion and also my opinion might always be the right opinion.
	Yeah.
	So honestly, I love that.
	That the fact that you're even willing to at least be an open is is going to help set you apart in the long run.
	It might not take you 10 years.
	It might take you two, if that makes sense.
	No, I don't think we're going to change our mind.
	But she's probably pretty firm in her position.
	But I think that, shit, what were we going to do?
	The Twitch.
	Yeah, there's something else I needed to finish up on this topic here.
	I'm trying to remember.
	Oh, shit.
	I mean, even from the male perspective, though, this idea that like career, and I think this would apply more so to the men than it can to women, but this idea that career is like some ultimate fulfillment in life.
	I don't think that's the case.
	I think when people are on their deathbeds, I don't think they're going to think about, wow, I really closed that deal or I don't know.
	Oh my God, you're going to look back and on your deathbed, assuming you one day have kids or have a family or whatever.
	I think most people, man or woman, they look back on their life.
	It's going to be family.
	It's going to be kids.
	I don't think you're going to be thinking, oh, man, that one time I was on the prosecution and that trial.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't think people think like that.
	So I think like ultimate fulfillment in life, I think is family.
	Yeah.
	And kids.
	Think about your parents too.
	Like, I'm sure when your parents are on their deathbed, they're not going to be saying, oh, yeah, like, I worked really hard at this job.
	They're going to be like, no, I had a beautiful daughter and she grew and learned.
	And that's what they're going to be very proud of at that moment.
	It's not going to be even the financial status that they're passing at, you know?
	No, yeah, for sure.
	I just think, well, obviously I'm in college, so my entire life right now is the workforce and like trying to get a job, trying to get that degree and stuff.
	So obviously I feel like when I'm older, I'm definitely going to think something else of it because I don't even know if I'm not even thinking of like marriage or kids right now or anything like that.
	That's by design.
	Yeah.
	And that's what psychologists to make you think.
	Yeah.
	Career, money.
	But we have to remember in the back of your mind, know that that's by design to get you off the course.
	It's to break the family unit.
	Absolutely.
	Anyways, I'm not trying to, you know, just hyper focus in on you, but that was where the conversation was going.
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	Oh, shit, I closed it.
	Whoops.
	One sec.
	Let me get that going.
	Let's just do, here, we'll just, let's, you're good.
	We have our good friend Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.
	Can't pick seven.
	Rate your own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven, starting with you.
	I guess six.
	Six, okay.
	Eight.
	Six.
	Hate this question.
	Four?
	I don't know.
	Is it are you just okay?
	Is that that's your answer?
	Sure, yeah.
	Sure.
	I mean, how I mean, it's subjective, right?
	Like, I yeah, it is subjective.
	What's your subjective rating?
	Five.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Eight.
	Eight.
	Can I pass?
	You can't, you gotta answer.
	Why can't I find it?
	You gotta be beautiful, by the way.
	Into the mic, into the mic, I don't know.
	I just, this is how I think, Brian.
	I think you have to hear me out.
	Okay.
	I don't think it makes it make sense for me to judge myself.
	What does it matter what I think of how I look, except for how I look to myself is how the I think the world sees how I look to me.
	Like, that's how I look.
	I could say I love how I look.
	I'm confident.
	My mother weighs a beautiful child.
	But if I'm going to rate it on a scale, I'd have to say, how do I think others see me?
	Not how I see myself.
	Well, how do you see yourself?
	I think I look just fine.
	I think I look great.
	Give yourself an eight.
	Not just from your personal perspective.
	So I think I am an above average, so I'd say six.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Own it.
	What about you?
	6.5.
	6.5?
	Okay, I'll give myself a.
	What did I say?
	Oh, no.
	I used to say.
	Okay, I'll give myself a 4.75.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's low.
	That seems low.
	That seems low.
	I'm going to rate you better than that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, thank you.
	What do you rate me then?
	Well, including your personality.
	Well, I'll do with and with that.
	With your personality, I'm going to go an eight.
	You got a great personality.
	Yeah.
	Okay, there you go.
	Without, I would still say seven.
	All right.
	There you go.
	It's a match made in heaven.
	I am going to make you walk four hours back after we have sex, though.
	So just like that, not again.
	Wait, where do you live?
	Where do you live again?
	Oklahoma.
	I'm going to make you walk back to Oklahoma from Santa Barbara.
	That's going to be a lot longer than four hours.
	I'm going to tell you right now.
	Provide you with some hot hands, hand warmers or something.
	You'll be fine.
	It's only winter time, December.
	I'll just get her an Uber.
	It's an easy Uber for Oklahoma.
	A couple G's on the new.
	Yeah, hell yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't really have much pushback on the looks rating thing.
	What did you rate yourself again?
	Eight.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	Last time I gave myself a seven.
	You said you upgraded.
	Yeah, you said it can't be seven.
	Okay.
	I guess we can rapid fire the okay.
	Do we have the age stuff, Nick?
	There's no swaps.
	No gender swaps yet?
	Oh, yeah.
	Do we have for chair one?
	Do we have age?
	No, there's nothing.
	Just chair two.
	Okay.
	Oh, there's not even age progression.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	That's fine.
	Those are fine.
	Yeah, that's not a big deal.
	We'll skip that.
	Okay, blasting through.
	Okay, we did looks.
	We did that.
	Here, I'm going to blast through the questionnaire.
	I know you weren't here for it, but I'll just ask you the question then directly.
	Let's see, starting here.
	We're going to start with, one sec.
	Do you prefer Jackie or Jacqueline?
	Jacqueline.
	Jacqueline.
	Am I saying it right?
	You're French.
	You should be saying it like the best.
	Jacqueline?
	Yes.
	Jacqueline.
	Yes.
	Eviente.
	Okay.
	So you circled.
	You agree with the following statement.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	How so?
	Oh, we have more rights.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	You got me there.
	You got me there.
	I thought that was going without saying.
	No, that was.
	You bamboozled me there.
	You did.
	You did.
	What do you think?
	Do you think men and women have equal rights in the USA?
	Oh, God.
	Go ahead.
	Lay it off.
	Don't worry.
	No one's going to bully you.
	Don't worry.
	You're fine.
	I mean, all I can think of is just like the equal pay thing.
	Like, don't, isn't it.
	Right?
	No?
	Yes.
	Well, is there anything else besides that?
	Not that I can think of on the top of my head.
	Okay, so would you be confident saying, let's assume, I'm not going to get into like a wage gap debate, but let's assume that putting that aside, would you be prepared to say that men and women in the USA have equal rights?
	I'd say so, yeah.
	Like, I, you know, like, what, are you leaning towards no, or I'm assuming that's the case?
	Like, a little.
	Women have more rights than men?
	Is that like her?
	You agree with her?
	No.
	No, sorry.
	So aside from the wage gap thing, is there anything else that you can think of that might not that I can like actually like genuinely off the top of your head?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How about this one?
	Do you think you said you're a feminist?
	I wouldn't say I'm like a feminist.
	Look, I feel a little bad because I feel like maybe the other people on the panel might lean a bit more less liberal or less feminist or whatever.
	But look, nobody's going to attack you.
	Nobody's going to hate you or whatever.
	We're open to having differing opinions, and that's 100% okay on the show for people to have different perspectives.
	We're not going to dogpile you.
	I've just been surrounded by people that have way more extreme views than me.
	Like in terms of being more liberal.
	Yeah, liberal feminists and stuff.
	So like, I don't know.
	I try and keep an open mind.
	Obviously, I'm going to believe what I believe, but like in these conversations, I really do try and get.
	No, you seem open-minded.
	You seem pretty reasonable.
	Wait, you said you're in an a sorority, right?
	Yeah.
	Can you say which one?
	You don't have to.
	I think I'm in Theta.
	Kappa Alpha Theta.
	Oh, yeah, Theta.
	They're pretty based.
	Yeah.
	No, they are.
	They're cool.
	I feel like, I don't know.
	I feel like people in sororities are.
	It's okay.
	Reasonable.
	Anyways, there's a stereotype.
	Do you know the is there a handshake?
	Like, she has the DG waved.
	Is there?
	Can I do it?
	Yeah.
	Is that offensive to like thetas or whatever?
	Am I doing it?
	No.
	Okay, you're going to have to screenshot this and send this to all your sisters.
	Wait, am I doing it wrong?
	Are we doing gang signs right now?
	No, no, no.
	That's the K.
	And then A.
	Oh, wait, we can.
	And then O.
	I feel like I'm going to get jumped after this one.
	Sure, sure.
	Either Thetas or some gang or something.
	They don't even know that I'm on this, so.
	Oh, okay.
	I guess I'll give it a final.
	No, that's all good.
	I guess really rapid fire.
	Do you think that there's a patriarchy?
	A patriarchy?
	Evil patriarchy.
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you think women are oppressed in the USA?
	In like a political way or like just whatever your sense of the term oppressed is in some sort of way, but not like in an insane, like extreme kind of way.
	Okay, that's fair.
	I won't, I'm not going to linger on those topics.
	I will get it back more to some more dating questions, though.
	Let's see.
	Actually, Sab, I'm going to do your.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	I'm going to do some of your notes here.
	Oh, my God.
	Can we just have you have diabetic coma on stream?
	Is that cool?
	Yeah.
	Are you down to like push it a little bit?
	I can't.
	Oh my god, it's such a goblin.
	It's such a goblin.
	I'm joking, Betty.
	I'm joking.
	Maybe I'll be back one day.
	You were pretty nice to me.
	You're like super nice.
	I don't know what all the people that say bad things about the podcast are.
	They're such haters.
	Like, I feel like the girls.
	People have a perception.
	It's because they're stupid girls saying stupid things.
	I mean, you're such a female.
	Yeah, it's a bit of a femsel sometimes, but like, it's like.
	You're a femme cell?
	No.
	I'm like a red-killed.
	I'm a bit red-killed.
	But I would say, like, the girls that don't know when World War I started, and of course, they're going to get the piss taken out of them.
	Come on.
	We get taught that for like a year.
	Like, every single day.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I got it wrong when I was on here.
	I did.
	Wait, what state did you grow up going to elementary school in Louisville?
	California.
	Oh, God.
	That's you.
	I mean, they probably have a good system.
	I don't know what our California LUSD is not.
	No, is it not that good?
	But, okay, really quick, your notes.
	You say you're Latina with gamer rage.
	Hell yeah.
	And a fat ass LOLs.
	Yeah.
	And big boobies.
	Yeah, well, I lost weight, so that's not so true anymore.
	The fat ass or the boobies are?
	Yeah, both.
	You lost weight.
	Okay.
	Have you done any BG content?
	No, never.
	Maybe just solo.
	Not even like private.
	I've never.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	You said you've been to 30 countries.
	Correct.
	And you've dated in these countries?
	Yeah.
	Like, guys have flown you out?
	Is that what you're doing?
	No, no.
	Dubai.
	No, I've never.
	The only place in the Middle East I've been in Israel.
	But the only place I've been in the Middle East is Israel.
	So none of the Arab countries, actually.
	But no, I just, since I do OF, I have a lot of money and time.
	So I just travel.
	And while I'm there, sometimes I'll meet someone.
	I'd say I've maybe like dated like 10 different nationalities.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to see here.
	You're talking about how you met your boyfriend.
	You gave him a paper with your name and number on it as his job.
	What does he do?
	I don't want to say.
	Is he a waiter?
	He is in something like similar to this field where there's no college.
	Podcaster.
	No, no, no, not your field.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, like.
	Are you dating Steven Crowder?
	I don't know who this is.
	Wait, are you Latina?
	What?
	Yeah, you're Latina.
	I'm American, though, but yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm American first, but yeah.
	Okay, well, I'm going to come back to the questionnaire, and there's maybe a few more things in your notes, but okay, so going around the table, let's just do a show of hands just to be quick.
	Raise your hand if you agree.
	Should men pay on first dates?
	Raise them high.
	Raise them high.
	No?
	I'm okay either way.
	50-50 or if the authors test too much.
	Men should provide and protect.
	Raise your hand if you agree.
	Okay.
	Men should be chivalrous.
	Okay.
	Husband should be willing to die protecting me.
	Oh, wait.
	I changed this one up.
	I had a different.
	So on the questionnaire, it says take the bullet, but I actually came up with a different scenario.
	Shit, wait.
	Ah, okay.
	Here it is.
	Here it is.
	Wait, first, let me just ask: should your husband be willing to take a bullet for you?
	Like, die protecting you, essentially.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, because there's an expectation, like men should be protectors, whatever.
	I came up with a better one than the bullet, though, because I think the bullet one, there's a third-party perpetrator.
	I'm changing it to a better one.
	Here it is.
	Consider a scenario.
	A ship is sinking, and only one functioning life preserver remains.
	You're married.
	This life preserver can save only one person.
	There's no workaround.
	There's no loopholes.
	There's no additional options.
	You can't be like, I'm going to tread water for 12 hours.
	You can't hang on to them.
	You can't find some debris from the shipwreckage.
	There's one life preserver.
	And one person essentially has to die.
	Given that one person, either the husband or the wife, you in this instance, must die, who should volunteer to sacrifice themselves.
	Starting with you.
	The husband.
	The husband?
	Okay.
	Myself.
	You would.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's a tough one.
	I think him.
	Him?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So the husband.
	Right.
	Chivalry, right?
	Yeah.
	I'm going to say the husband too.
	Husband would, yes.
	Into the mic.
	Husband.
	What about you?
	That's a tough.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he better, you know, be offering, but I'd also, you know, be willing to, if you know, this is my husband loving my life, I'd be offering to we're gonna have to rock, paper, scissors.
	It, I think that's fair.
	Okay.
	Yeah, like in that moment, I feel like I couldn't live with myself, though.
	Like, if I had to watch him die, like, I just that's why I chose that.
	That's a tough one.
	It's kind of, it's gonna suck no matter what.
	Now, here's a question: here's like another one.
	Let's say you're witnessing the hmm you were on the ship and you have a life preserver, but you see the ship, the boat.
	There's a couple on the boat, and there's only one life preserver left.
	Who would you judge more harshly?
	So this doesn't impact your life at all.
	Would you have a harsher judgment towards one or the other if one of them opted to take the life preserver?
	Would you so if the woman, if they make a determination that the woman gets the life preserver or the man gets the life preserver, would you more harshly judge the man for taking the life preserver over the woman?
	Yes.
	Than the reverse.
	Yes?
	Yes.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	I mean, I get it.
	I think I kind of would just because, you know, a bitch made.
	Well, like you should die for your work for you.
	Also, a guy could swim longer too, just because of well, in this scenario, like, let's say the water's really cold and he's like, you know, no one's going to survive, right?
	I don't freaking know.
	That's tough.
	Well, no, I'm not going to judge either one like just on their gender in that situation.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's just your two lives there.
	Shit's fucked up.
	Me personally, even in the well, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get into the bullet discussion, but I'm taking the life jacket.
	I feel like women judge you harshly.
	Like, I'm just like, eh, you know, she can die.
	Women are going to be like, yo, what the fuck?
	What if it was your kid?
	That's a tough one, my kid.
	Damn, fuck.
	My son or my daughter?
	Oh, damn.
	Ah, shit.
	I don't know.
	Fuck, chat.
	What do you do?
	Oh, like, if you had a pick between your son or your daughter getting the life jacket?
	I'm an honest person to a fault.
	Damn, this is really fucked up question.
	I gotta be honest.
	Fuck, that's crazy.
	I mean, if you have your same wife, you could just make another one.
	This is so such a hard fucking question.
	How is it so hard?
	Well, okay, hold on.
	So I would do almost anything to protect my children.
	Like I will go through pain and suffering and I will sacrifice dearly for my children.
	Oh my God, this is so fucked up.
	But it's like one of those, this sounds so fucked up.
	Holy shit.
	Save it.
	Save my life jacket.
	Look, say it.
	I feel like some people would virtue signal on this and be like, of course, I would like let my kid live.
	I got to be honest.
	I'm taking the fucking life jacket.
	I'm fucking taking the life jacket, bro.
	You don't have a kid, though.
	If you have kids, no.
	Yeah.
	I feel like it would change.
	I know that sounds so fucking bad.
	It does.
	I don't know.
	It's like, it's like, would you rather your mom or your dad die?
	I don't know.
	It's like some, it's so fucking damn good.
	No, it's different.
	When you have kids, your kids are going to change, I'm sure.
	Hopefully.
	I'm surviving.
	I'm surviving.
	I think logically, okay, if it's if it was between, like, you can, you can't make another you, but you and your wife could make another one of your kids.
	That is my thinking.
	I could have more kids, you know.
	I know it sounds so fucking bad, but I kind of like being alive and not drowning.
	So I know it's not, damn.
	You couldn't live with yourself.
	Yeah, I promise you.
	I would be.
	Yes, I would be a piece of shit, but wait, but you would live, but you're also going to hell.
	I mean, that's pretty much guaranteed.
	And I'm going to believe in that.
	And I'm going to say this.
	Like, if that happened and I took the life jacket and I watched my son drown, I'd probably end up killing myself anyway.
	Yeah, I'm going to be honest.
	I would knock myself off.
	I feel like it's because he doesn't have to be a bad person.
	I'm never going to get laid ever again.
	Like she was found, her kid was found with a life vest on the boat and the ball.
	Or the high river.
	Yeah.
	I heard about that.
	I haven't heard about that.
	I'm not sure.
	She drowned and saved your kid.
	That's the assumption.
	That's like the, that's really powerful, actually.
	I just know I couldn't, especially because I said this last time.
	My son had like a stroke and a brain aneurysm when he was eight.
	And so that showed me that I know I wouldn't make it without him.
	Like since it was that close, I was like, there's just no, there's no way.
	Yeah, that's scary.
	He's doing really good though, by the way.
	He's doing great.
	Okay, where were we?
	You were going to kill off your kid on a boat.
	Yeah, you're keeping the life jacket.
	Oh, no, man.
	Yeah, anyways, we were talking about that.
	Oh, will you keep your, like, let's say you get married, will you keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage?
	I think I'll keep my last name.
	You'll keep your last name?
	Just because my mom did, so I was like, oh wow.
	Yeah, she kept her last name, so I kind of want to, like, do the same thing.
	She didn't hyphenate?
	Nope.
	What about for the kids?
	Do you have hyphenated?
	I have my dad's.
	You have your.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But she kept hers, so I don't know.
	So what was the point of that?
	I don't know.
	That's just, anyways.
	But you said.
	So you did say you raised your hand to all of my previous questions.
	Men should pay on first aids, men should provide, protect, men should be chivalrous.
	Husbands should be willing to die, protect.
	I don't know.
	If you want your husband to die for you, you got to take his last name.
	Yeah.
	I feel like at minimum.
	You don't got to bow.
	What do you think?
	What do men get?
	Women don't want to take the last name.
	They don't want to be submissive.
	They don't want to cook.
	They don't want to clean.
	What are men getting for all the traditional things that men do?
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	Like, why won't you take the last name?
	Like, why wouldn't you want to take his last name?
	I like my last name.
	So it's just like the sound of it.
	I mean, My argument here is, even if the guy has a really bad last name and your last name is the dopest last name ever.
	Sorry.
	You gotta wear that shit practically.
	That was my life.
	I had the dopest.
	Without question, the best last name ever.
	And I struggled to rid myself of that name because my new last name is so basic.
	It's incredibly basic.
	I was struggling with that.
	But Brian, this brings up a good point, and it's not leaving the conversation.
	But didn't you say I tried to cram all the episodes that I could this past week since I don't really, I'm not a regular viewer of this show, but I, but you said there's no reason for a man to want to get married or there's no benefit to a man getting married?
	There's a religious benefit if you're religious, but absent religion, I don't really think they're, well, I mean, the better framing is for the breadwinner, there's no benefit, really, in totality.
	So there's money.
	Which is typically the man.
	I get what you're saying.
	But did you want to provide pushback?
	Well, it's tied to what she was saying.
	I thought about it because I was like, yeah, I can see where he's coming from, but what about your lineage?
	Oh, I can have kids outside of marriage.
	Sure, you can.
	But in the case of her family, if it's me and you, and you have not given me the benefit of marriage, why would I give you the benefit of giving my child your last name?
	That's true.
	Well, I think there is an argument to be made.
	If you're not married to the person, then you don't have to take the last name.
	However, as it relates to the children, whether married or not, there is a tradition that exists there that the children, regardless of the marriage status, the children take the father's last name.
	But you know, in every state legally, hospitals prefer when parents are not married to take the name of the mother, her last name.
	It's usually just her suggesting that the dad gets it, that they give the child the last name.
	But I usually could just say, well, I'll.
	Well, I mean, I could just say she's, I'm just saying she's well within her rights to say, oh, well, I'm going to give the child my last name.
	And then you might have progeny, but you won't have any legacy.
	Well, hold on.
	Yes, a woman could do that, but she should.
	I mean, what do you mean she should?
	She should do that if we're not married, but she's my woman.
	Well, if you're not married, then she's not going to marry her.
	No, she shouldn't.
	No, well, hold on.
	She is my woman, whether we're married or not.
	Yeah, she's my marriage.
	She is, and I'm her man, but.
	Yeah.
	So if you say that.
	However, regardless of our marriage status, at least any woman I would choose to have children with, again, regardless of if we're married or not, our kids have my last name.
	Yeah, but you can't, she can, like you were saying, she could flip on you and then she can divorce you and she can, a prename doesn't mean anything.
	She can easily have the baby and be like, I went through all this and this man won't give me a ring.
	He's not getting lineage.
	I'm going to keep this baby with my last name.
	And she's well within her rights to do so.
	Well, I mean, I don't know if we have a dispute over what lineage means, but I mean, like, legacy.
	Well, yeah, but blood lineage would exist regardless.
	No, that's progeny.
	No, lineage would relate to blood regardless what their actual last name is.
	Well, when you trace the family tree, you go by the father's.
	I'm misunderstanding lineage, which I mean, I'm going to just Google it.
	Like legacy, like your last name being carried into perpetuity.
	Lineage.
	So your son will not have your last name.
	His child will now have his grandfather's last name, which is his mother's last name.
	So I think that that can be a component of lineage, but I think lineage, I think lineage would be beyond just the name.
	That relates to blood and ancestry.
	Yeah, but you don't see blood on family histories.
	You see, they track your history, unless.
	My lineage.
	Well, hold on.
	This doesn't even make sense.
	So if my lineage then, if I married a woman who had children from another man or I get cucked, but the kid has my last name, is that my lineage?
	That's an L.
	No.
	No.
	So if you adopt her children and the judge gives you that child's last name, right?
	Is that what you're saying?
	By the way, just to be clear, that's not, when I was saying it's an L, it's an L to be cucked.
	I don't think it's an L to be a stepfather.
	Oh, no, it's amazing.
	I just wanted, but it's an, like if she gets pregnant by another man and I think it's my kid and the kid has my last name, that's not my lineage.
	But you're so you're so but it is now.
	You have now robbed that child's bottom.
	Not you robbed it, but the child's biological father has been robbed of his legacy by the court and it's been bestowed upon the new father legally to now have every accomplishment, everything that goes with this child.
	Now we'll have Brian's last name with this child going further.
	That's why it's such a big deal to adopt somebody or to take somebody's last name because you now have all the ownership and rights or whatever that go with this person into the future onto their child, onto their son's child, onto their son's son's child.
	I mean, I don't know if we're having just a kind of a dispute over the definition of lineage.
	But where am I?
	But I understand what you're saying, but are you understanding what I'm saying?
	If a wife, you assumed that whoever you impregnate, whether you marry her or not, she is going to give her your child, your biological child, your last name.
	Yeah.
	But she is well within her legal rights.
	And most states, especially when the parent, the couple, the parents are not married.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, hold on.
	Even if I'm married to her, she's well within her legal rights to dispute the name of the child and want the last name.
	So I don't see why marriage is related to this.
	Regardless of our marriage status, even if we're married, the woman could be a bitch or whatever it is, or she could just have a difference of opinion.
	Like even if it, okay, we get married, here's how we're going to do it with the children.
	Oh, now that I've had a kid, now we're going to name, we're going to hyphenate.
	Nah, the kid, I want the kid to have my last name.
	And ultimately, I don't know exactly the legal framework of what would happen if under a marriage there was a dispute as to the last name of the child.
	I don't know what would happen.
	I'm assuming the hospital would probably defer to the mother, probably.
	Yeah.
	Probably.
	So marriage wouldn't even protect me in that situation.
	In this case, lineage is blood, but I can date a woman and we can agree, hey, we're not going to get married.
	And she can defer to me.
	She can acquiesce to me.
	And she can be like, the kid's going to have your last name, Brian.
	Marriage would not protect me in this circumstance.
	But why would she have to defer to you for the child's last name?
	Why would a woman have to acquiesce even in a marriage?
	Because typically a woman who gets married and takes her husband's last name will give her child her husband's last name.
	It's hard to do.
	Trust me, a lot of women run their shit even in marriage.
	In fact, they get more cucked.
	I think men get more cucked in marriage because there's a bunch of women use marriage as leverage.
	Like women will use marriage as leverage to get their will.
	So I actually think it's a more, in terms if we're talking about who has more leverage in a relationship, I actually think the leverage remains, it's not so much I have more leverage, she has more leverage, but in marriage, women, or well, the person who's not the breadwinner has the leverage in the marriage.
	The person who's not the breadwinner has the lead leader has the leverage in the marriage.
	And this is typically the woman.
	Diabetic shock, stay.
	For how much longer?
	I don't know.
	How about, can you pump out another 30, 40 minutes?
	What do you think?
	It's already been over.
	That it should be.
	It's like life over here, life, death over here.
	Hey, look, I'm not opposed to just having somebody die on the whatever pot.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Go ahead.
	We'll have you back again when you have your meds or whatever.
	Thank you.
	And it's awesome to see a picture of Charlie here.
	Keep that up for you.
	Piss off the lip charge.
	Keep doing your thing.
	You're lovely.
	I'm glad that we all have to talk.
	Have a good night.
	Thank you.
	Here, can you take her seat?
	We'll just move over a little bit.
	So what was your point?
	Sorry.
	Oh, my point was when a woman gets married and takes her husband's name, because your point was even if you get married, there's no guarantee.
	But if she takes your name when she gets married and y'all have a baby, why would she not give her childhood her last name, which is also your name?
	I see.
	So you're saying, well, in a scenario where she's gone ahead, prior to having children, gone ahead and taken your last name and you guys are married.
	Well, obviously, duh, the children are going to have her last name, which happens to be your last name.
	Yeah, that makes total sense for me.
	But I don't see why marriage is necessary for this.
	Well, I'm just saying.
	You acknowledge that when somebody gets married, there's nothing that legally compels the woman to take the husband's last name, even in marriage.
	Oh, right, absolutely.
	Right.
	So the same standard would apply, whether we're married or not, if the woman is disinterested in having either her last name being my last name or having the children take on my last name, they're within, whether married or not, they're within their legal rights to prevent that.
	But once you get married, you decide whose last name is whose.
	Whether she keeps her last name, whether she hyphenates, once you get married, y'all make a decision, right?
	So whatever you decide, you decide whose last name is who.
	Then you have the baby, right?
	Now you decide, okay, is she going to have my hyphenated last name or going to have his last name or my last name?
	But it's going to make no sense if the baby doesn't have one of your names.
	Well, I mean, my one of your new, her married name or your last name?
	Because you're saying the marriage is no guarantee.
	Yeah, sure, it's not.
	But once you get married, you're going to figure it out before you have a baby.
	Look, if this is like a planned pregnancy where I'm dating a woman, I'm together with a woman, and we've made a decision that we're going to have kids.
	First off, conversation about last name has probably already happened.
	Although the type of woman that I would date, I'm highly confident that there would not be any dispute over the last name of our children.
	Freedom is scary.
	You never know.
	She could have a baby and just, I went through all these hours of labor and he won't give me a ring.
	Oh, well, this would all be determined.
	Yeah, but this would all be determined well in advance.
	Well in advance.
	I mean, I'm like, you can have the conversation with your girlfriend.
	Hey, I want the children to have my last name.
	Like, here's how the conversation would probably go.
	I don't even think I would need to have it.
	But if I did, I'd go like, hey, so look, we're thinking about having children.
	I want the kids to have our last name.
	And she's going to be like, oh, yeah, sure.
	That's the conversation.
	Like, that's the conversation I anticipate I'm going to have.
	Absent marriage.
	I mean, that's a big presupposition, but I think that you have to be prepared for a woman to say, well, I want to give my child.
	Like, I wasn't expecting her to say that her mother, that her name was hyphenated.
	I mean, I didn't, I thought based on how she was talking.
	It wouldn't be an assumption that I'm just like blindly going into like getting a woman pregnant.
	First off, if any woman who I'm going to want to have kids with, we're going to probably have significant alignment on values.
	So again, I don't even think it's going to ever be a conversation with whatever woman I end up having children with.
	She's going to probably align with my values, my kind of relationship dynamic.
	And it's going to be a foregone conclusion that the kids are going to have my last name.
	But even if it's not so easy to just assume that, it'd be very easy for me to just simply say, hey, so we're thinking about having kids.
	I want the kids to have my last name.
	And I'm very confident that here's, I already did it, but here's how that conversation is going to go.
	She's going to say, yeah, that sounds good.
	End of conversation.
	And then if that's not how that conversation goes, then again, it's kind of like, that's just the kind of woman I would pick.
	Maybe I'm mistaken, but otherwise, I'm pretty confident that the conversation is going to go in that way.
	I've heard many a story of men in divorce court were talking about the name at the signing of the name at the hospital or who signed whose name or whose last name somebody else has.
	No, this is not a conversation you have when the woman just popped out a baby out of her vagina.
	The conversation is had before she's even pregnant.
	So you're assuming that everything goes according to plan.
	You're assuming that I guess women can lie.
	Well, you're not married.
	Say you find out you're pregnant and you haven't had the conversation yet.
	We're there's so you're throwing so many curveballs here, hypothetical.
	It's not a curveball.
	Well, no, look, ultimately, I don't know how else to reiterate this.
	Essentially, if I'm saying the type of woman that I would, that I would just de facto default be dating, this would, it wouldn't even happen.
	So your argument is this won't happen.
	I don't know if you're not a shitlib.
	Hold on, I don't date shitlib feminist 50-50 women to begin with.
	But if the conversation even came up, if the conversation came up, it would come up well before we decide to have kids.
	I don't know why you're saying, well, the conversation can only come up after she popped out a baby.
	Well, I don't know what type of woman you're marrying that's not even a little bit covert feminist who's not going to demand.
	Well, that might be true.
	If she's not demanding that you marry her, then you have to be worried that she might be a little bit liberal somewhere hidden.
	No, not happening.
	Not necessarily.
	Not necessarily.
	I mean, these are all risks you're willing to take.
	I'm just being, I'm just being real.
	Well, I mean, Steven Crowder married a virgin and they were Christian and she was a covert feminist.
	So this idea that Christianity, religion, marriage is going to protect you from a covert feminist is complete bullshit.
	Half of these, more than half of these even conservative women, are feminists.
	So this idea that, okay, go date a based conservative girl.
	They're all feminine.
	I don't know those terms.
	Most of them are feminists.
	I don't care.
	I'm going to prioritize, I'm going to prioritize a woman, regardless of her desire or not to get married.
	I'm going to prioritize her lacking of feminism over her conservative or Christian values.
	Are you a Christian?
	So, okay.
	I have pro-Christian sentiment, but I'm agnostic.
	Pro-Christian sentiment.
	So are you like a moral pragmatist?
	Are you like Donald Trump?
	Well, I don't know Donald Trump's position on this, but I can tell you my position.
	I'm not an atheist.
	I'm an agnostic.
	I don't know.
	But I think Christianity on the individual level and the societal level is immensely beneficial.
	However, in fact, a doctrine of Christianity is truth-telling, being honest, not telling lies.
	And so I wouldn't sit here and lie because, truth be told, I don't have the actual faith in that belief.
	Maybe one day I'll get there.
	But in terms of like my assessment and views of Christianity, I think it's, again, very positive on the societal level and on the individual level.
	It's a good thing I have pro-Christian sentiment.
	I'm not an anti-theist.
	I'm not an atheist, but I am agnostic.
	My belief isn't there.
	So do you, and just making sure I get a further understanding.
	So it's like, do you believe you don't believe in like a heaven or a hell?
	Are you there?
	Are you in those?
	I don't know.
	I don't know, to be honest.
	That's being agnostic.
	Faith, somebody in the chat says faith is a gift I have yet to receive.
	So, and look, I mean, I think if there was a Christian order in this country, I think that that would probably be a good thing.
	You would like that.
	Either like even from governance or even just like robust, a robust, I don't know what the right word is, Chrisndom, like a robust uptick in Christianity in this country.
	That would be a good thing.
	So you would want Christian nationalism?
	You would call for Christian nationalism?
	I don't know what that would really entail.
	I don't know what that is, but like if society had adhered to Christian ethics and Christian morals, that'd probably be better than what we have currently.
	I completely agree with that.
	Yeah.
	But like if you're asking me in terms of my faith, like I it's just maybe it'll come to me, but I don't want to lie.
	It's not there.
	I'm a truth teller.
	It's not there.
	Well, I it would be it would be super beneficial for me to like grift and say I'm a Christian, but I'm not going to lie.
	I'm the same way and I work at a very Christian-based company, but I'm agnostic and I echo exactly like to the T what you've said.
	I think Christianity is a force for good in the U.S., in the world.
	Right.
	But I just, there's like there's a roadblock there that maybe it'll come to me, maybe it won't.
	I've said that exact thing.
	And I asked that the first half, I asked that because you said about there are Christians who are covert in their marriages and they do this.
	And you mentioned your friend and something about his wife.
	And then you said there are.
	Yes, Stephen.
	Well, and you're right about that statistic.
	is just as much divorce in the church as there is out of the church the difference is i've heard it's a bit less in it's it's christianity It's just about equal.
	But this is the thing.
	It's still high, though.
	It's still high.
	And all I have to say is it should be more disproportionate based on the values of Christianity.
	So I was saying to your point, yes, I do agree with that.
	The difference is what is the moral driver for half of those marriages or the proportion of those marriages that we're talking about.
	You're saying, well, I'm not going to choose a wife like X, Y, and Z.
	And I'm saying there are people who are in those marriages.
	They have a moral driver for why they do what they do.
	Well, why am I getting married?
	Why am I taking my husband's last name?
	Why am I having him lead?
	Why am I doing all these different things?
	So that's why I said that last part.
	I wasn't trying to.
	Oh, no, I'm not upset or anything like that.
	Yeah, no, but I mean, just on the marriage thing, I it's just, I don't know.
	There's definitely like the way it's structured legally currently in terms of divorce.
	Now, just to be clear, like monogamy good, having a singular partner good, having children good, and but I think you can have all those things absent marriage.
	But marriage is a sacrament.
	I understand what you're saying, but marriage, call it something else marriage is in and of itself a sacrament.
	So when we're talking about marriage, we're using God's material and saying I'm just gonna do, do whatever I want to do.
	Well, just do what you're gonna do, but remember if and again.
	So I asked you about the do you believe in heaven or hell?
	Because I didn't know exactly where you what, where you were.
	We're all, whether you believe in God or not, we're all gonna be held to the same judgment.
	So it's not like well, I'm not gonna choose that sacrament again, not to be like dismissive, but that's not really a compelling argument towards an agnostic person, I guess.
	I mean, as far as I know, when you die, that's your consciousness is.
	There's no heaven or hell, it's just, it's just the how, whatever it was before you were born.
	You return to that nothing, which is kind of scary.
	Not gonna lie yeah, but you but so you believe it was nothing before we were born.
	You don't believe like we were knit in our mother's womb.
	You don't believe God put our souls in our bodies, you don't?
	Well, I already told you I'm agnostic, so I don't know.
	Why do you think Christian values are good, though what?
	Why did you choose those over anything else then?
	Well, I mean, I think people can, I that that's the foundation of Western civilization and like I think there's a lot of truth in it.
	Like I've read some, I've I've read biblical scripture and there's a lot of truth and value in in in that.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	What do you want me to tell you?
	You're talking to somebody who's agnostic.
	You're answering my questions.
	You're saying, which is the same recall, consciousness, prior.
	In fact, I mean, even when you're young, a lot of people don't remember anything from their like one, two or three or whatever.
	I would from an agnostic perspective again, I don't know what actually happens, but if, if I had to guess, assuming that God doesn't exist and there's no heaven, there's no hell, there's no afterlife, I would assume that you return to the nothingness from which you.
	It's just nothing.
	So we're here we, we just are randomly here.
	Look, I'm again.
	I don't have an issue with I'm a fan of Christianity.
	No no, I'm not going against you I'm, I'm asking.
	I think I even told you I'm a curious person.
	I'm, I don't know you.
	I'm just asking these questions so I can better Pasty, I'll get to you in just a sec, Pacey W. By the way, Pacey said last show, oh my god, this guy.
	Hold on, I'll come to you in just a sec, Pacey.
	I just want to finish off this condo, but look, I think that whatever the experience was prior to birth, logically that would make it would make sense to me that the Non-existence, the non-consciousness that I don't know what thing, what it was before I was born.
	It would be in the same way as when you fall asleep and you don't recall your dreams.
	Whatever that eight hours happens in that eight hours, that's it's a dark, it's darkness, it's death.
	It's nothing.
	I don't know.
	I just could be wrong, though.
	I don't know definitively.
	But from an agnostic perspective, it would make sense that that's a possibility.
	And that's a terrifying thought for me.
	It's absolutely terrifying because I enjoy having consciousness.
	And when I go to sleep, I hope that I'll wake up.
	And the idea that one day you could, I mean, there's various ways you could die, but one day you go to sleep and then your consciousness is gone.
	That to me is terrifying.
	I guess I just think nothing, like nothing can't come from nothing.
	Like it would make everything very coincidental.
	And I just don't, like, everything is like so particular to like the molecule.
	Like, if anything was slightly off balance, we literally wouldn't exist.
	So people are saying I'm an atheist.
	I don't know.
	You are not any.
	That's why I was asking you lots of questions because some things you did say sounded atheist and some sounded like a moral pragmatist.
	So you're figuring it out.
	Like you said, you're just figuring it out as you're, you know, nobody's, all these labels are what they are.
	That's why I'm asking you questions to see how I don't even engage.
	No, the chat is not happy right now.
	Look, guys, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Isn't it true that so if you believe in the Big Bang, do you?
	Like there's nothing and then somehow you're not.
	Look, I don't want to go too deep in theology, but like, look.
	Quick question.
	Are you Orthodox Christian or what's your.
	I'm a Christian.
	What?
	I'm not a Protestant.
	Y'all would say I'm a Protestant, but we did.
	What's the truth?
	I'm a Christian.
	Like, literally.
	What church?
	Are you a Presbyterian?
	No, I'm not a product of the Reformation.
	I am a Christian.
	Like, a biblical.
	So, for instance, when I go to worship, I go to a, our church is called on the sign, the church that meets at East Shelby, the East Shelby Church of Christ, or Turning Point Church of Christ.
	I didn't mean to say turning point.
	I think I just turned and saw Charlie and then I said turning point.
	But whatever, if the street was called whatever, that's where we, the people who are members of the Lord's body, we meet here.
	We are the church.
	I don't go to church.
	I am the church.
	So wherever I go with my brethren, I'm a church.
	I am the church.
	I'm the Christian.
	We were called Christians in Antioch in the book of Acts.
	So I'm a Christian.
	I'm not.
	And again, you would say I'm a product of the Reformation.
	So you'd call me Protestant, but I don't call myself a Protestant.
	We don't call ourselves Protestants.
	Do you believe in the Trinity?
	God, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit?
	Of course.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I was asking some fucking questions.
	Yeah.
	Technically.
	I forget the terms for this, but do you believe in evolution?
	Creationist.
	Do I believe in evolution or creation?
	Which one?
	I believe in creation.
	Well, no, but creation can coexist with evolution.
	Do we evolve as people?
	Or is that what you're asking?
	Well, I think there's like some.
	I don't know.
	No, I believe that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh.
	Same.
	That's what a Christian believes who reads the Bible.
	I don't believe in the Big Bang.
	You don't believe in the Big Bang.
	No, I don't believe.
	But there are Christians that can reconcile creation and evolution.
	Well, people can reconcile a lot of things and tickle their ears to justify things.
	But what does the Bible say?
	We look if we do a literal interpretation of Genesis.
	Genesis.
	I love that.
	Well, so what was it?
	I'm trying to think.
	In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God.
	The same was in the beginning with God.
	All the ways to be.
	The order of how God created the order of certain things, and I'm forgetting the exact details, but like certain things came before like that's just not how hold on.
	I gotta, I gotta Google this because this is not my will.
	Like, I'm trying to remember exactly, but like plants became in Genesis, plants came before something and that's like that kind of conflicts with the science.
	So wait, which one?
	Oh, because you're saying that because there was light or there was no sun, and then there was vegetation.
	I forgot.
	I don't know if maybe the vegetation came before the light.
	I don't remember.
	I don't know.
	I don't even.
	You mean the light or the sun?
	I forgot.
	In the beginning, there was a light.
	The sun didn't come until later.
	After plants?
	Day one.
	You know the songs?
	I don't know.
	Day one.
	God made light.
	God made clouds and skies.
	Okay, I'm going to let you get away with this, but I'm going to let.
	Sorry for the delay, Pasty George.
	But you're right.
	Day three and day four.
	George donated $200.04.
	Chair 6 proves the point on why men should avoid Western women or any woman influenced by feminism in any way.
	And look for a traditional woman in another country that has strong cultural values.
	Me?
	What do I do?
	What do I do?
	I think they might mean what?
	How do I feminize?
	You're chair six.
	Pasty George said it.
	W's in the chat for Pacey George.
	My good Canadian friend.
	Welcome back.
	He's not talking about me.
	George donated $200.
	Yeah, I think it's a good question.
	I don't care about Pasty George.
	I'm trying to stay away so I can recover and work on my book, but sometimes I can't help myself.
	I was curious to see what kind of noted panelists were on tonight.
	It's good to see you, man.
	I was kind of sad.
	Like, I was like, oh, man, Pacy George is gone.
	But, like, hey, he tuned in.
	He tuned in.
	He couldn't help himself.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Appreciate it, man.
	It's been an interesting convo, man.
	Good to see you, dude.
	Oh, wait, fuck.
	I was going to ask Pasty something.
	Shit.
	I forgot what I was going to ask him.
	I don't know.
	Whatever.
	Oh, oh, Nick, can you Google here?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Google iBook G3.
	And then also a different tab, iMac G3.
	Google the chat, chat.
	I'm going to ask the chat a favor.
	Stay tuned.
	I need to ask you guys a favor.
	What is what?
	What currency is this?
	R?
	What is our rubles?
	Rupees?
	Images.
	Wait, what is our dollar sign?
	Chat, what is our dollar sign?
	What is that?
	What's that?
	Yeah.
	What is that, chat?
	What currency is that, chat?
	I'm about to be a goblin.
	That's not true, chat.
	The fuck?
	Do you have it?
	Yo, does anybody watching now?
	There's, hold on, how many people do we have watching?
	We have like 4,000 on Twitch.
	We got like probably 8,000 people total watching.
	Does anybody have one of these?
	It's the clamshell, like nine.
	If somebody has one, I need one for the show.
	And I want a good quality.
	I want, like, you see some of them, how they're all cracked and shit.
	I need like one that's in decent condition.
	The blue, the orange, or the green.
	You don't have to.
	I'm not saying you buy it.
	If anybody has one, maybe you could gift it.
	Maybe a little gift to the whatever.
	I need one for the show.
	I know it sounds stupid.
	And then the iMac G3.
	Okay.
	Scroll down to the.
	Scroll down to the one with the.
	If anybody has an I'm, it doesn't need to even work.
	Neither of them have to work.
	I just need one.
	If anybody has an IMac G3 and you're willing to send it to me, I'm not gonna.
	I'm not gonna sell it, it's a prop for the show.
	Please DM me on Instagram if you have a, the the IBook G3 or the IMac G3, I'll explain it when I get one.
	I guess.
	Okay what, what did?
	What was the currency?
	Did anybody figure it out?
	Brazilian oh, this guy's a fucking scammer.
	Hold on oh whoops, 200 Brazilian dollars.
	How much is that?
	Like 50 cents, all right yeah, it's below the threshold.
	It's got it's USD, it's USD.
	But um you uh, damn bro, this Brazilian guy's fucking killing me here.
	This fucking Brazilian, you know what?
	Hey bro, copy Gianni Guillermo, fucking Guillermo.
	what is that actually you in the photo what what the dude is that you Okay, all right.
	All right, I see how it is all right, thank you.
	Uh, Tuda Ben, Tour De Ben.
	There you go.
	You got a little Brazilian.
	Wait Portuguese, my bad, you got a little Portuguese there.
	All right here, let's blast through the notes.
	We gotta blast through the notes here.
	But uh oh, passion not matter.
	Do you think your passion matters like uh, related to body count?
	Like, if body count matters uh yes, I feel like like, like if a guy was like, you told the guy your body count and he was like ah, don't want to date you because of that, I mean like like, kind of, but like not really, I don't know.
	I feel like it shouldn't determine your like value as a person.
	Okay um, hold on, what about you going around the table?
	I don't give a rip, don't care at all.
	I do think that past matters.
	I think it matters to an extent.
	Yes, all right I I, I think it matters.
	It doesn't matter to me, but I understand if it's a problem for guys.
	Yeah okay cool um so, going around the table, what's your body count?
	Mine yeah, do I have to say you have to?
	You don't have to say you can give.
	Like, do you want to do a range?
	Huh, you can do like a ballpark.
	You don't have to do like an exact number okay, or you can just say it whatever you want, one to five.
	I'm not gonna answer that ballpark range, not even close.
	Okay, i'll give you a range in the last 20 years it's under 10.
	in the last like 30 years it's like 25 give or take so yeah my husband I don't know.
	I never kept track like that, but if I had to ballpark it, I'm gonna go low 20s.
	Low 20s?
	Did you like lose track?
	No, I never kept a list or anything like that.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	For everybody, for everybody.
	I'm not targeting anybody then.
	All right, we're gonna blast through the questionnaire here.
	Or not the questionnaire, the pre-show notes.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Hold on one sec.
	Okay, so I guess we'll go to Haley.
	Let's see.
	We talked about that, talked about that.
	You have ludicrous amounts of ridiculous dating stories.
	Yeah, I really do.
	I wrote them in my notes app, and there's some I decided I'm not going to share.
	But, ooh, I do have a good one on another terrible Tinder date.
	Let's see, this might have been seven years ago-ish.
	And I get a guy back to my place.
	And so he starts acting really weird.
	You know, we're hanging out, having a good time.
	We hadn't done it or anything, but we're talking and we're sitting and watching something on the TV.
	And suddenly he starts getting really quiet.
	And looking over, you know, I was kind of watching whatever was there.
	I'm looking over.
	And suddenly he's like laying down in this really weird position, kind of eyes half open.
	And I'm poking him and prodding him.
	And he's not responding.
	So I'm getting kind of worried.
	Like, okay, so I don't know.
	This guy's overdosing or something.
	Does he do drugs?
	Well, so I went into the bathroom, or actually, wait, no, first I actually decided, you know, he probably like maybe he needs medical assistance.
	So the first thing I did was I did call an ambulance.
	And while they're waiting on that, I go into the bathroom and I see this little vial thing with like drops, like an eyedropper type thing.
	And it turned out he, they were like the date rape drug, the, you know, GHG.
	Yeah, he dude roofied himself.
	What?
	And he didn't even share.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	It was so weird.
	It turned out, you know, actually became friends with him after that just because he was such an interesting dude.
	Didn't date him or anything.
	But yeah, and it turns out he was kind of addicted.
	I didn't know he could get addicted to that.
	But yeah, he was.
	He did that on a daily basis.
	He would freaking roofy himself.
	And then he also had all this other medication.
	I don't know what it was.
	Not prescription stuff.
	Yep.
	That's different.
	That's different.
	Good times.
	Yeah, it's very interesting.
	Nothing bad happened, so it's just good times.
	Let's see here.
	You say modern dating is doomed.
	You've used dating apps, never resulted in a relationship.
	You weren't catfishing people.
	You don't edit your pictures.
	You say these romantic connections via internet end up being low effort on the dude's part.
	No surprise there.
	That's why I stopped doing that.
	Just no more internet.
	I left internet dating behind in my 20s.
	It just ended up being a waste of the freaking decade.
	My prime years right there.
	Siara?
	Yes.
	You dated a pilot who had what?
	He had a wife and kids.
	I had no idea.
	Whole wife and kids at home.
	Okay, damn.
	You had no clue about it?
	I had no idea.
	No.
	You dated a guy who had a girlfriend.
	You didn't know about it.
	Yes.
	That one was quick.
	But yeah.
	Had no idea.
	You dated a man who you for over a year who uh, who you ended up finding out was what he was, having sex with transsexual men.
	So when wait trend, trans men, trans men, it was a, it was a biological male.
	Who, oh so, trans woman, trans women yes sorry, that's okay, don't be scared, don't be.
	Yeah, I have no idea.
	Very confusing yeah, it confuses the hell out of me.
	She was uh, someone who, who was a man, who became a woman.
	Yes okay yes okay yeah, but like, still so he was gay.
	Yes yeah I, in my opinion, I think he was gay.
	If you ask him, he would tell you differently because she looks like a female.
	But I mean, you can't.
	So you, I even granting, if you can change your gender, you can't change your sex.
	Two males having sex is meets the definition of homosexuality.
	Yes, that gay is slaying for homosexual.
	Yeah so yep not, not a criticism.
	Look, if you're gay or homosexual whatever whatever whatever, live your life, but let's not paint right a picture something as straight if it's not.
	Yeah yeah yeah, I went on a like, I don't even consider it a date, but we like were smoking.
	This is a long time ago, but we were like smoking and he was just telling me, like past stories, and he said that, essentially so, dating trans women, he's like I would treat their penis as if it.
	Like he's like I still consider it a woman, so I still like it wasn't there.
	Yeah like, i'm like, how do you like he still like he did stuff to the penis but still viewed that or the as a man, as a woman you know what i'm saying like yes, so and when?
	When he said that in my head I was like, oh yeah, what about trans women who've had bottom surgery?
	It's still a man.
	Yeah no no, I completely agree.
	My, my dad is actually trans, but I yeah, how's that?
	I heard you say that he's a woman, he's trans.
	Oh well, is your dad?
	He's transitioning really, are you the one from Chapel?
	No, i'm from Los Angeles.
	Yes dang, how was that?
	Like, how was that I?
	I hate when uh, people act like they know what it's like because they have no idea.
	It tears my family apart.
	Um, it destroyed my little sister, who was still in high school at the time.
	Um, he's still an unimaginable asshole, as he always was before and even more so now, in my opinion.
	Pretends like he knows what it's like to be a woman, and he does not at all.
	Never had a period, never went through puberty, never has to have children.
	Like you don't get it.
	So don't try to understand.
	And to be honest, you know, first wave feminism is fine, but all these you know feminists today um, who are standing up for trans women, And it's your argument's kind of collapsing on itself, because you cannot be pro-trans women and be a feminist at the same time.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So it's almost his family.
	It tore my family apart.
	It's like kind of insulting.
	It's absolutely insulting.
	You don't understand what it's like to accidentally bleed on yourself in public.
	Totally.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And how old were you when he started?
	This was 2016.
	So recently.
	Almost recently.
	Yeah, recently.
	Oh, did he show when you look back and like no?
	He was a misogynistic asshole, gun-wielding, woman-hating, cheated on all of his wives, you know, never took a woman seriously, never took me seriously.
	And now, you know, all of this has happened.
	What is it called?
	Is it called autogynophilia?
	Where it's not really trans, but they're really just attracted to the thought of themselves as women.
	Maybe.
	Is that what that's the terminology?
	Is that right?
	Autogynophilia?
	Yeah, something like that.
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	I'm going to finish off, continue with the notes.
	You had some disagreements with me, though.
	What were those?
	The first one was on the marriage.
	Yep.
	We talked about that.
	Unless you had like specific.
	Yeah, well, mine's different.
	It's not from a moral standpoint.
	It's from a standpoint of logically and having been in that experience where I actually felt the same way, where I didn't believe that I needed the government to tell me that my relationship was important or valid or whatever.
	And then I lost my partner and we weren't married.
	And the hoops that I had to jump through because of that really made me look at: well, if you're going to be in a long-term relationship with someone over the course of your whole life and you're going to have children, if you're not married, especially if she's staying home with the kids and she's not acquiring Social Security and she's not acquiring retirement and pension and all those other things, if something happens to you, she's screwed.
	She's nobody in the eyes of the government and takes everything from you.
	Yeah, it was a mess.
	And I had to really look into it because I was put into that situation.
	And then the other side of it is like on that social security aspect of it, you're paying into the Social Security for a whole life.
	And then you've chosen this partner who you're going to spend your entire life with, right?
	In your eyes, but not married.
	You're paying this huge sum of money.
	And then if you die, she has no rights to it and she can't take care of herself because she had no acquired Social Security.
	Yeah, I kind of.
	Well, I mean, look, really quick on this.
	I understand that marriage can confer those sorts of benefits to the beneficiary.
	But even if you're not married, you can have a beneficiary.
	You can have a final will and testament or whatever that can outline how the breakdown is going to be there.
	So marriage, I guess, if you're married, it does confer some easiness there.
	But I don't think that's a really compelling.
	What I'm hearing when you say all that stuff, and look, some of that stuff's valid.
	I hear me, me, me, me.
	Men die earlier than women.
	You're talking about and whoever the breadwinner is typically that's the man again I'm When I'm making a an argument about marriage, I'm looking at it from the perspective of What is the benefit to the breadwinner?
	What is the benefit to the man you you you you exactly I was just gonna say same thing Well, yeah, you want to mitigate all your risk and you want to give it to her It's it's a bit different so in this case
	Women do confer benefits from marriage or the person who's not the breadwinner confers benefits from marriage What are the benefits to men to be married?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, what what are the benefits of men?
	What are the benefits to men?
	Like legally or morally like when you're okay if if I'm anti-marriage and you're saying well, here's what I okay.
	I'm anti doing a business deal with somebody and the the person tells me, well, hold on, if you do this business deal with me, I benefit.
	Would that be convincing to the other person?
	Ever no, and I, if you have, if you don't have any kids in the situation, I can have kids out of marriage.
	But go ahead.
	Yeah, you can but, but even if you so, if you have those kids in that marriage and you're wanting her to stay home with them right, she's forfeiting her career.
	She's raising the kids for 10, 20 years of time, whatever it is yeah again, she's not acquiring all of that stuff.
	And so if something happens to you, the social security benefits she has no say.
	And not only that, if you're unmarried, those social security benefits go to nobody.
	I'm not familiar with how social security works.
	So when you're married, your wife gets your social security benefits.
	I don't know how it works.
	So like say, you're in a relationship with this person for 20 years.
	She raises the kid, you go off to work during that time.
	You're paying into social security every single paycheck.
	Right, it's like 12 of your entire income and it's it's like 500 000 to 700 000 if you're a high earner over a long period of time, that's to take care of you guys during retirement.
	Okay, that's under your name if you pass away, she has no rights to that.
	So she just spent 40 years with you and she can now not take care of herself because she hasn't worked at all.
	I mean look, I don't know if, on one hand, I can be charitable and say that the current economic order is going to be the case in 40 years.
	I think there's a couple things Here, I don't think, honestly, whether you're married or not, I think social security is going to be completely gobbled up by the boomers and maybe by a bit of Gen Z.
	I don't think there's going to be anything left for millennials.
	Or sorry, did I say Gen Z?
	I might have, I'm sorry, I might have meant Gen X.
	I might have misspoken.
	It's going to get gobbled up by boomers.
	It's going to get gobbled up maybe by some of Gen X. As a millennial, Social Security, gone.
	Gen Z, Gen Alpha, no Social Security.
	It's not going to be there.
	Secondly, I do think that with the advent of AI, I don't know how things are going to go economically.
	I think there's going to be in the next 10, 20, 30 years, and I feel maybe this is like bad faith that I'm bringing it here.
	There's going to be so much social upheaval.
	There's going to be social chaos.
	There's going to be disorder.
	I don't know if we have an economic solution to the mass amounts of people who are not going to be employed.
	I don't know what society is going to look like in 20, 30, 40 years due to artificial intelligence.
	Because the reality is there are people who just don't have the IQ to do like the jobs that will be available.
	If we're going to be talking about a universal basic income or a tax on artificial intelligence, I don't know how things are going to look economically, truthfully, in 20, 30, 40 years.
	I don't know.
	I'm a little scared, not going to lie.
	But pretend nothing changes.
	How do you answer her question?
	A lot of this might be assuming, assuming that there isn't a complete overhaul of our economic system due to artificial intelligence and getting either close to or into a post-scarcity society and world.
	I mean, still, my point about assuming things stay the same, I don't think that there's going to be social security for millennials or Gen Z or any other future generations.
	But I'm not an expert in economics.
	I don't know.
	But okay, to address your thing, assuming it's the case, taking your word for it that, okay, if you're married, then $500,000 that otherwise wouldn't go to your wife would just get eaten up by the state.
	Is that how it is?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's a bad if you're unmarried, yes.
	I'll take your word for it.
	Yeah, that's interesting.
	And maybe, you know, assuming I make it to old age, if I'm on my deathbed and I've been with my girl for however fucking 40, 50 years or whatever, or, you know, I don't know.
	If we've been together for a long ass time and I'm, you know, I got a couple years left, fuck it, I'll marry her so she could get the benefits.
	But until it's reached a point, like if I'm in my 30s, I have to weigh the risks.
	In this case, the risk of divorce is going to gigafuck me financially.
	So, but again, I'm still looking for what do I get?
	Why not a prenup, though?
	Like, you can essentially dictate exactly what happens in your marriage in the event.
	A little bit.
	I mean, there's some things that you can't get around in a prenup.
	Well, like, for example, even if I have a contract that somebody's my slave, like a court would find that unenforceable.
	So there's certain things in a prenup that would be unenforceable.
	Have a solution.
	What?
	Why don't you just marry somebody who would never divorce you?
	Why don't I just date somebody who would what?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, it's all good.
	I mean, do you think?
	By the way, do you think most people go into a marriage thinking like, oh, yeah, most people think this is the love of my life.
	We're going to be together forever.
	50% divorce rate.
	50% divorce rate.
	I'm just testing your logic because your argument to me was I would never marry somebody who wouldn't give my child my last name, whether we're together or not.
	So here we are.
	Just pick somebody who will never divorce you and that solves the problem.
	Well, I think there's a difference here.
	I think people can have a change of people can change.
	That was my argument.
	No, I think it's different, though.
	I think if I talk to a girl and...
	Hold on.
	This is a false equivalence.
	So if I talk to a woman and she tells me, oh, yeah, if we have kids, I want you, or I want the kids to have our last name.
	That's different.
	Like, okay, for example, if I tell somebody that I'm going to love them forever, am I now beholden to love them forever?
	No.
	Like, people say this all the time in relationships.
	I would never leave you.
	I'm going to love you forever.
	One year later, two years, however long, people fall out of love, circumstances change.
	So I don't think it's a fair comparison to say, okay, well, the woman could change her mind about the last name of the kids.
	How is that different?
	It's completely different.
	We're all agents of free will.
	In both scenarios, you're an agent of free will.
	And both of them are presupposed that you're going to do what the other person says that they're going to do.
	So I'm presupposing that when I get married to somebody and I say, I'm going to love, honor, and obey you till as long as I live and I don't do that, well, I've what broken my vows to you.
	If I tell you I'm going to give you our child's last name and I decide, you know what, since you didn't marry me, I'm not going to do that.
	In both scenarios, you're an agent of free will and you're able to change your mind at the blink of an eye.
	So they literally are the exact same scenario.
	I don't think it's the same scenario.
	Well, how?
	Because there's material differences.
	So, so, okay.
	In the event of, I mean, I can't believe I have to even explain this.
	So is it technically possible if a woman tells you, I want the kids to have your last name, that either right before the kids are born or after the kids are born, she could have a change of mind?
	Yes, absolutely.
	This is logically possible.
	However, I think there's a differential here.
	I don't know if we can do a straight comparison between that and then like the very intricate dynamics of relationships and the changes that can occur in relationships.
	Can I help you?
	In one of the scenarios where you're taking vows and you're promising to honor somebody and to love them, when you don't do that, then you are breaking your promise.
	When you are not married to somebody and you have a child with them, you are not beholden to be giving the father the last name of your child.
	There's no legal obligation to do so.
	So in marriage, there isn't a legal obligation in marriage either.
	No, to love, honor, and obey.
	There's no, you don't have, when you break, but you break a vow.
	You break a vow.
	If you break a vow, everybody breaks vows all the time.
	Yeah, but no, you can't, nobody says you can't break a vow, but you're not breaking a vow to give somebody your child's last name.
	You don't have to.
	When you break a vow and you get a divorce, there are legal obligations that you have.
	You're able to do it legally.
	You're able to split things.
	You're able to get attorneys.
	You're able to divide things.
	Nobody's going to send you to court for not giving your child your last name.
	She doesn't have to do it.
	I feel like there's a degree of overthinking here.
	If I'm, and again, this conversation can well predate, well predate when she gets pregnant, when she inevitably gives birth to the child.
	The conversation, I could have a conversation with a girl before we even have sex for the first time.
	Not that it would be, I don't think that would be a particularly, I don't think it would have much of an aphrodisiac effect, but I could be like, hey, I want to see before we do anything, before we date, if we share values here.
	And I would just say, hey, just curious if we ever end up having kids, where do you lean in terms of who takes the last, as far as the kid goes, do they have my last name?
	Where do you land on that?
	Right?
	I don't disagree with you.
	Right.
	So I can have that conversation.
	And I guess technically it's possible she could change her mind, but I really don't think it would be.
	So, yes, she could change her mind, but I think if a woman just-that changing the mind parts, that's not the part that I'm because we've already, we both agreed on that.
	We both agreed that you can change your mind about anything.
	Okay, but whether you're married or not, whether it's the main thing.
	But I think there's a difference here.
	I think if somebody tells me, oh yeah, if we end up having kids, I want them to have your last name.
	I think that that seems like a more static, I would have imagined that that's a bit more static than like the nature of an ongoing relationship that seems a bit more dynamic.
	I think what I'm trying to say is there's no repercussion when you say, I'm not going to give my child the father's last name.
	But there is repercussion in divorce and breaking your vows.
	There's repercussions in so many different ways.
	There's no repercussion.
	There's no ought to when it comes to giving your child the last name.
	Do you see the distinction that I'm making?
	Yeah, but he could actually like change.
	Thank you for the raid, man.
	Thank you, Rob.
	He can change his child's last name later.
	Like you can actually get paternity and well, she's not denying paternity.
	No, no, no.
	I don't know.
	No, so what I'm saying is, so say that she changes her mind and doesn't want to give their child his last name.
	He can go to court and still change the child's last name.
	Do you know what it's to change a child's last name and it varies in different states?
	Because I came from Washington, by the way, also.
	Oh, to change a child's name first or last, it's very, very hard to go through the process.
	And I personally know someone who did it and they succeeded.
	It's not that you can't do it, but you can't.
	Hold on, hold on.
	They both have to agree.
	And if they're changing the child's last name, that means she's going to have to agree unless she contests it.
	What is the hang-up, though?
	I don't know.
	I don't understand the hang-up here with the last name thing.
	The hang-up with the marriage thing.
	It's like, look, people don't get married all the time.
	They have kids all the time.
	I don't really want to date like a 50-50 feminist woman.
	I don't think it's all that crazy that whoever I end up having kids with, that I'm going to, that the kid is going to have my last name.
	It's probably going to be something we're going to talk about.
	But I think I'm just going to make the assumption that of the women I would be interested in, I think it's going to be a given, but I'm happy to have the convo just to confirm it.
	What's the hang-up?
	What's the hang-up on this?
	And honestly, that was one of the issues that should be.
	But when it comes to the market.
	What's the hang-up with?
	That was a response.
	Remember, you said, I gave you a reason why a man would want to marry.
	I said it wasn't progeny.
	If you're like, I could have lots of kids.
	I said, but a woman is able to say when she has a baby with her husband or a boyfriend or a baby daddy, she's able to give the baby her last name.
	And she's got more of an incentive to do so.
	And you've got more of an incentive to put a ring on her finger so that she says, I've got his last name.
	So now my baby has our last name.
	Right, but this can be, but your response is just, I'll tell her not to, or I'll, we've already had that talk.
	Or I'm telling you, you have to consider that she has the choice.
	She has the choice in the hospital or wherever she has her baby.
	She has the choice to say, the child will get my last name.
	But okay, hold on.
	Two things.
	And more likely.
	Two things.
	So that can be circumvented by simply one dating the type of woman who would acquiesce to this request.
	So marry somebody who doesn't divorce you.
	It's the same logic.
	No, It's the same logic.
	It's different.
	But I know, but there's still not an answer.
	It's like, what's the benefit?
	Especially when he says, take religion.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Especially when he says take religion out of it.
	And I was like listening to a lot.
	Hold on.
	No.
	There was no religion now.
	I know, but the last name of a child is like not necessarily a benefit or a negative because I mean, my name is hyphenated too.
	It doesn't really change anything.
	Let me just parse.
	Let me parse this super quick.
	Okay.
	So two things.
	First, whether you're married or not, the woman can do this thing where she doesn't give grants the last name to the children.
	So that can occur regardless of the marriage status, whether you're married to her or not, right?
	And even if you're in marriage, maybe she does take your last name, maybe she doesn't.
	So the marriage isn't like a silver bullet to getting this.
	And then the other component is I can circumvent this simply by dating the type of woman that would acquiesce to this.
	Or if I'm uncertain as to her position on this, I simply have a conversation with her at any point prior to getting her pregnant or even while she's pregnant, I guess, although the ideal time would be prior.
	I could have it on the first date.
	I could have it on the third.
	I could have it six months in.
	I could simply have the conversation and it's completely circumvented.
	But I guess, man, what's the other thing?
	I just don't understand how you can use that argument.
	All we have to do is have a conversation and that's the end.
	That's why I'm sure people do move into Western.
	When did I bring religion up with the last one?
	Well, I'm saying he said take it out of it.
	Let me just finish this thought.
	Let me finish this thought.
	Right.
	So I think certain things are static and some things can be more or less static and certain things can be more or less dynamic.
	So in this case, I think that if a woman tells me, you know, if a woman tells me that she really, really doesn't like broccoli, I think I have a fair degree of probability that this is not going to change throughout our lifetime.
	Right.
	But if a woman tells me that, hey, Brian, I'm going to stay with you forever and I'm never going to leave you, my confidence on that statement is much lower than my confidence on, you know, like if I'm a betting man and she tells me, Brian, I fucking hate broccoli, I have like high certainty, 99%, she's He's not going to like broccoli at any point.
	Whereas, like, it's a little less uncertain with the constantly shifting dynamics in an interpersonal romantic relationship, which are not always smooth sailing.
	So, I need to move it on a little bit here, though.
	But really quick, the notion that dating younger women is more beneficial than dating a little bit older.
	I disagreed with that, yeah.
	Okay, so like you're against age gaps.
	I'm not against it at all.
	Like, I don't see like a something that's morally wrong.
	I do think, though, that when you're getting too much of an age gap and you're saying you're doing like a 20-year-old versus a 40-year-old, I just think that where they are developmentally is very different, and it would actually be not beneficial for him.
	Like, having been a 20-year-old at one point and had a lot of 20-year-old friends, and then working with a lot of them, they're just still trying to figure themselves out.
	They don't know who they are.
	They're still pretty impulsive.
	They're still very like egocentric in their mindset to where it's like, I'm inflexible with my way of being and you have to essentially the older person or the younger person, the younger person.
	That's what I see a lot with young girls.
	I almost think it's more immoral.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure, though.
	I think that I think as people get older, whether they're men or women, I think people get more set in their ways and they dig their heels in a bit.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Maybe I was the opposite.
	When I was younger, I was like still in that mindset of like rebellion, kind of when I was like in my 20s.
	And I was just like, you can't tell me what to do.
	Like, I'm not going to submit to you.
	Whereas I'm totally different now.
	Is that youth or is that culture?
	Culture on yourself.
	I think it's brain development.
	I think it's culture.
	I don't know.
	I mean, look, look, I think generally speaking, when it comes to age gaps and stuff, I think the vast majority of women, young women, they typically want to date men their own age.
	Like one or two years older or their age.
	Maybe some a 19-year-old would date an 18-year-old.
	Although I think most like 19-year-old women probably like their age or like one or two years older.
	So I'm not saying, and by the way, it's not like young women, I'm not, I'm never saying young women should date older men.
	I'm just saying I don't see an issue with age gap relationships.
	If a young woman wants to date an older man, I think that's totally fine.
	I don't think there's like a there's no like moral argument against it.
	And I think from the, I guess from the male perspective, there's probably some benefits.
	And perhaps also from the younger woman's perspective too.
	Like a guy who's a bit older, he's a bit more established.
	He can be a bit more mature.
	He can provide a little bit better if this woman is desirous of maybe moving things along a bit quicker than her peers.
	Because I mean, a lot of people, oh, I'm going to wait until I'm late 20s, 30s to have children.
	I actually don't think that that's an option.
	I don't think that's really optimal, although that is how people are moving nowadays.
	I think it's better to have children probably when you're a bit younger.
	That could be early to mid-20s, at least for women.
	I don't know.
	I feel like those girls, Girls had to have to get out and like live their lives before they commit themselves to motherhood, because it is to live your life like just I don't know I'm not talking about, but that's why.
	That's why I feel like it's very cultural.
	It's I don't I.
	I think it's just because that's just what we've grown accustomed to.
	I think it's normal to live your life and and I actually have had a conversation like this similar, where people are like, well, I want to have sex, I want to do this.
	I'm like I'm not even referring to sex and I know.
	I'm just like saying, in general, it's a very cultural norm to like want to party when you're young or want to live your life.
	I think it is like very cultural.
	I don't even think it's youth because I mean, I've had two people who are really, really young and I've met like 19 year olds who are like I want to be a husband or I want to be a wife or, but they were also raised in a very biblical like.
	They're very culturally biblical.
	You know what I'm saying and so yeah, I think on that.
	I think, on average, most like women, even like you know your age and even when I was younger, my mom was not raising me to like be a Biblical Proverbs 31 woman, absolutely not.
	I mean, my mom was also 15 when she had me.
	So again, I think it's very, very cultural and kind of like what you're shown, what you're taught, what you're raised with, that kind of dictate what your morals are, until you've established your own adult understanding of what morals are.
	Sorry, we have really quick.
	I'm gonna let some chats come through.
	Sorry for the delay on.
	These guys donated $70.
	It is not worth it for a man to get married because there are so many women using the court system to divorce men and take half, if not all, of his money and assets.
	We can thank feminism for that.
	On this, on this topic, really quick, I mean, I brought up Stephen Crowder earlier.
	He was a Christian guy, they were both virgins, they married each other and she was a covert feminist, his wife Hillary Crowder, or whatever.
	So a lot of guys you know you you, you think you picked the right woman, but I don't know, sometimes things go sideways and I uh, i'm not putting all the blame on women, but I, I actually have somebody who I know personally um, who i'm not going to reveal too many details.
	Maybe i'll have him come on share his story.
	But this poor guy um, i'm not going to reveal too many details, but basically he's got a couple daughters and um he's he, he's a very religious guy, he thought his wife was very religious and uh she, she ran off, she cheated on him and um he's, he's going through a divorce now and he's, he's getting kind of financially fucked so and he's a good guy.
	So maybe i'll have him come on because he's got a really interesting story on that.
	But uh look, I don't.
	I think marriage is kind of a nail.
	To be honest.
	Marriage is an London is saying religion is going to save you from getting divorced.
	That's not.
	Nobody's saying the sacrament is going to save you from getting divorced.
	I mean it's marrying marrying, marrying the right person is going to save you from getting divorced.
	Because you keep mentioning his Christian wife or covert feminist.
	Yes because, hold on look, and the one person I can name, for everyone you can name, I can name a hundred who've been married over 40 years.
	I'm not around any people who are not 50.
	Well, that's not true.
	That statistic is, is it's flawed?
	If you look it up, it's not 50 right well, 50 in total.
	But if you look at first marriages yes, it's lower to be charitable.
	But uh, the reality is I don't know why you're denying the fact that at least I don't know if you're Protestant or whatever.
	I'm a Christian.
	Okay, marriage under like a uh, more orthodox approach, whether that's Catholic or orthodox Christianity, marriage is indissoluble.
	You have Christian women who take the sacrament and uh, they're just vaguely unhappy.
	There's no abuse, There's no cheating.
	There's no infidelity.
	They just fall out of love and they're Christian women and they divorce their husbands.
	I'm sorry.
	Under true Christianity, my understanding is there's a permanence to marriage.
	Divorce is forbidden.
	Marriage is indissoluble.
	Can I explain to you what the Bible says about marriage, divorce, and remarriage?
	Yeah, because it's in the scripture.
	That's scriptural.
	You're talking about this.
	I can tell you the scripture says.
	Let me ask you one question.
	If your perspective as a Christian woman, if there's no abuse and he treats the kids well and he treats you well, but you as the woman are vaguely unhappy despite him treating you well and there not being any abuse, there's no infidelity.
	There's nothing.
	You cannot get divorced.
	You don't have authority to be divorced.
	You don't have any authority to be divorced.
	Under Protestantism?
	Under the circumstances you gave, under any realm of Christianity, scripture, Bible.
	What is it?
	What's stopping a Protestant woman from getting a divorce?
	She can go.
	I don't know if it's going to grant her to divorce.
	Go get your divorce, but the Bible does not give any authority to a woman under your circumstances who's unhappy to get a divorce.
	The church does not oversee, the state oversees.
	Well, anybody can get a divorce.
	Anybody can.
	I'm talking about the sacrament.
	I thought you were talking about the sacrament.
	Anybody who's married can get a divorce no matter what they believe in.
	But the Bible doesn't give authority to somebody to be divorced except for adultery.
	But then why are there so many Protestants?
	Because people are non-denominational Christian women.
	Hey, news flash, everybody.
	Christians are sinners too.
	They repent.
	They make mistakes.
	Why do you keep holding this false standard to Christians?
	Oh, Christians are, what?
	You don't even believe in this sacrament.
	Why are we holding a candle to the Christians and saying, hey, well, they get divorced.
	Yeah, they make mistakes.
	And a lot of them are in error for the divorces that they have.
	But hold on.
	Getting a divorce is like, it's not just like, oopsie, I tripped.
	That is an intentional action that is taken.
	And then they could still be wrong intentionally.
	But there's not an oopsie I got divorced.
	No, who's saying that?
	You're smuggling in the word upsie.
	Scripture is clear.
	Marriage is dissoluble.
	What are you talking about?
	Divorce is forbidden.
	Absent like abuse or infamy.
	So there are caveats, exactly.
	What is your argument?
	Are you saying people are getting divorced and they shouldn't be getting divorced?
	Are you saying that Christians shouldn't be getting divorced?
	Or are you saying that there are Christians who are getting divorced and they shouldn't be getting divorced?
	What is your argument?
	You're bringing in, you're bringing in the religious component to this.
	You're bringing in.
	No, no, no.
	No, you brought it in when you were talking about your friend and his covert feminist Christian wife.
	I did not bring it in.
	I followed suit.
	You opened the door.
	I walked right through.
	Hold on.
	I'm still trying to understand the point, honestly.
	Look.
	Well, I think he's understanding the point, so that's fine.
	Look, you're like, why are you focusing on that?
	Like, why?
	And I don't know if you're trying to point out like, okay, well, Brian, you're not religious, so like, who are you?
	No, I don't care about that.
	Can you be more direct on what the point is?
	No, no.
	No, I'm trying to get to what his point is.
	He's saying he keeps on making this distinction between Christian, this got divorced, non-Christian, this.
	And I'm saying, what is the difference between the difference?
	The core, like, what, like, can you answer his question of what the benefit, what's the benefit of marriage for he didn't say there, there are thousands of benefits to being married, thousands of benefits to being married.
	Boobs.
	No, no, no.
	Not for the birthday.
	If there weren't anything, if there weren't thousands of benefits to being married, then people wouldn't be getting married.
	Period.
	Let's weigh that argument.
	There's thousands of benefits to being married.
	That's why people still get millions, actually.
	For the dependent.
	Millions.
	Let's keep going.
	For the dependent.
	Let's keep going.
	Let's keep going.
	For the dependent.
	I don't even know what that means.
	You're a dependent.
	Look, if you're secular, if you have a secular marriage.
	Do you know what dependent means?
	Yes.
	All right.
	I'll let the chance go on.
	Okay.
	Chris donated $69.
	Chair three is disingenuous.
	I have a child with my girlfriend.
	No marriage.
	And made irrevocable trust so that whatever happens to me, everything, including social security, goes to her.
	Female propaganda trash.
	That's absolutely not true.
	Not the social security part.
	I mean, the other stuff you can get around, but nothing.
	Actually, no, actually, that's wrong.
	Well, it just depends on what aspect of Social Security.
	Because my son's father died, if he would have worked enough credits, my son would get death benefits.
	But he just signed up until 18.
	But not you.
	And we were talking about later in life if he faces away.
	I mean, I guess I get that.
	Get that, but I feel like that should be more for the child anyway.
	So I'm almost okay if the wife doesn't get it.
	No, absolutely.
	But what I'm saying is, like, in your case, and in my case, because my son gets it too, had we been married because we were together, we had a house, we had kids, we had all of that.
	Had we been married when he died, I would get double the amount that I have now to support our son together.
	And I was on my own.
	But I still think because we weren't married, I didn't.
	Yeah.
	And I get to know what I mean.
	Okay.
	I mean, the super chatter might actually be wrong because what I'm reading here, maybe ChatGPT is wrong.
	It says social security benefits are non-assignable.
	Yes.
	You can't assign the benefits to another person or entity.
	Payments must go directly to the individual beneficiary unless a representative pays.
	I don't know, whatever.
	I'm not going to get into the weeds on that.
	So maybe he's right.
	Maybe he's wrong.
	The other stuff he was true about.
	You can go to the legal action of putting in wills and living wills and all these things to cover everything else for her.
	But when it comes to Social Security and all that money that you paid into, it's going to go nowhere if you're not married.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	This legend.
	To Chair 6 silence woman.
	Pasty George is going to take a look at the marriage.
	Go to bed, Pasty George.
	Nobody asks you anything.
	Pasty George, he says, go to bed.
	Get a tan, Pasty George.
	Actually, he's don't reveal his identity.
	Keep him secret.
	His caramel olive complexion.
	I don't even know.
	Okay.
	Got beaten cheeks here.
	Beaten cheeks.
	Sorry, sorry for the delay on this.
	I'll get the rest.
	Marriage under the law is the biggest hell any man will have in a retirement plan for a woman.
	Divorce, initiated 80% by women, is the entitlement women don't deserve from men's hard work.
	Laws need to change.
	True.
	Well put.
	Beaten cheeks.
	We have Pacey George coming in, then beaten cheeks again, and then Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	A wise man would not marry any woman in the West or in any first world country.
	There is no benefit for the man.
	She gives him children, but she can use the courts to take them away along with his money.
	What women are y'all around?
	Y'all need to come to the South to go find you a good woman because y'all are among these Out of harlots or whoever, I'm not around this type of woman that y'all are talking about.
	$69.
	Women will die on this legal marriage because it's all beneficial for them.
	Feminism 101.
	Also, all waves of feminism is trash.
	What is one law/slash right men have that women don't?
	Women oppression equals false.
	Thank you, Biden Cheeks.
	Appreciate it.
	She says that women have to do with $170.
	Regardless of whether the man marries the woman who bears his child or whether the child takes the father's last name, the child will always have half of the biological father's DNA.
	Science wins.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	That's common sense.
	That's true.
	Still lineage.
	Still lineage.
	We have who is this?
	This name is crazy.
	Anal Skywalker donated $69.
	Care six has made me rethink the idea of getting married.
	I always thought it was the right thing to do.
	But now that I listen to these broads gaslight and wiggle their way around, the answer is crazy.
	I hate watching.
	I don't know.
	Anal Skywalker.
	That's crazy.
	I don't want to say that.
	Star Wars episode.
	Okay.
	Here, finishing off with your notes, Siara.
	Is it Sierra or Sierra?
	Sierra.
	You say a woman should focus on a career before focusing on marriage and kids.
	Why is that?
	Unfortunately, I do think that now because in the world today, there's not a whole lot of men who can support a woman and a family on their own.
	I think it's a lot.
	I actually think it's unfair to put that all on him in this day and age.
	And I'm raising a daughter, and I would love for her to be more traditional, but it would be very, it wouldn't make sense for me to raise her in a way that says, find a husband, he can support you.
	So I do think that she needs to focus on establishing some type of career so that she's not completely dependent on somebody else.
	Because in today's age, you can't rely on a man to completely pay for your whole life and your children.
	So I think she has it's she's a complete liability if she goes through life and she's depending on everyone else, a man, the state, to support her.
	She has to have something that she can stand on her own two feet when she needs to.
	With the mindset that I'm seeing today, I think you're absolutely right.
	Yeah.
	Because they're not made like they are in Rob Carl.
	Mindset and economics.
	I mean, no, they're not.
	But I think they're, I don't think it's wrong for a woman to secure her, you know, her living expenses and be in a secure place financially.
	But when a woman focuses so heavily on a career to the detriment of finding, you know, a boyfriend, a husband, putting off kids until her 30s or whatever, I don't think that that's, I don't know if that's what you're saying.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I agree with that.
	I'm just saying from the from the ages of when she's like 18 to 23 something, establish some type of career so that you can take care of yourself.
	But I think these two things can occur simultaneously.
	Like a woman can go to college and while she's in college, she can try to find a good guy.
	And if it goes the distance, grade.
	But I think when you say focus, I think we're, at least my interpretation is focus to the detriment of.
	So like, I'm gonna, you know what?
	I'm going to go in college and I'm just going to have a string of casual sexual encounters and not prioritize either during college or shortly after college trying to find potential long-term boyfriends.
	Yeah, that's not what I'm referring to.
	And that's not where my mind goes.
	It's like, oh, instead of a career, you should be out having sex with everybody.
	I'm just saying while she's young, establish something so that you're not dependent on everyone else around you.
	Yeah, I mean, before you go into like having kids and things like that.
	I think that's fine.
	But I don't think the I don't think college and career should be at the detriment of finding your person.
	So if she's in college and she's establishing a career, you think she should just stop?
	Because she found somebody else.
	I think she should drop out.
	But I think some people will take it too heavy.
	Yeah.
	Like they'll take it, take it too seriously.
	I'm not saying you should, like, you should work hard, but it's like, and I guess that's going to depend on your major and how demanding your specific field of study or study is.
	But I don't know, you're going to boss babe it up and work 70.
	Like, for example, let's say you get your, you graduate from college.
	Take a modest job working a normal, I mean, even a normal nine-to-five has some complexities to it, but don't go and do a 70-hour work week as a woman.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	If you're trying to find somebody, that's what I, I mean, oh, read Rachel's.
	I love what she's saying.
	Oh, shit.
	What's up, Rachel?
	Yes, Rachel.
	Yes.
	Shout out, Rachel.
	Thank you for the message, man.
	Make marriage a sacrament of the church.
	Hey, Rachel, thank you.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	$69 TTS.
	Pull up Twitch really quick.
	We have a few more notes.
	Oh, that's weird.
	Why isn't it showing?
	Oh my God.
	Has it to be a refresh?
	Yeah, you might have to refresh it.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	I wonder if we're.
	Yeah, there's still a lot.
	We've got still a lot.
	Three, three, guys.
	I'm just going to switch over to Twitch and start playing video games or something.
	Guys, drop us a follow.
	I don't know why it's not showing the prime subs or whatever.
	That's kind of weird.
	It's bugged, boys.
	But drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	Check if you have a prime sub available.
	And yeah, okay, blasting through the few little notes we have here.
	Sab gone.
	We have come back to.
	Hold on.
	We have Dakota.
	You don't actually provide all that many notes, but we talked about the Olympic athlete quite in depth.
	You've been celibate for three years.
	Celibate for three years.
	You had this interesting situationship with an Olympic snowboarding athlete dude or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Did you have any further thoughts on that situation?
	You said it got better.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	You said that got worse or something?
	No, I didn't say you definitely said that.
	Come on.
	Give us the quick plot synopsis there.
	No, there's really nothing to there's nothing really to say.
	Just like we moved on pretty quickly after.
	Okay.
	So yeah, lost her virginity, 26.
	Yeah.
	Late bloomer.
	Is that real?
	Yeah.
	It's legit.
	Yeah, I was an athlete.
	Played a lot of sports.
	I was a tomboy for the most part.
	Wasn't really interested in boys.
	Are you toxic?
	I'd say I'm pretty effing normal, to be honest.
	No, I think you're normal.
	Any diagnoses?
	Yeah, I mean, don't we all have a little mentality?
	What do you have?
	BPD?
	I have chronic panic disorder and I suffer from like an eating disorder a little bit.
	So you get panic attacks.
	Yeah, I don't get them often.
	I've maybe had like 12 my whole life.
	But since I was 15, that was the first time.
	But I don't think if somebody has panic attacks, I don't know if that would, in terms of how you treat your boyfriend or I'm thinking more so along the lines of a personality disorder, like a bipolar or BPD or something.
	No, my mom is bipolar.
	Okay.
	My dad obviously has some like mental illness that comes along with being mental disorders.
	No, I do not.
	Why'd you ask her?
	I don't know.
	I just is anybody here autistic, Felicity?
	Yeah.
	Anybody?
	Autism?
	Autism?
	I don't know.
	You seem like.
	I don't know.
	I'm trying to get a read on you.
	I feel like a little autistic.
	I feel like you're autistic.
	I don't know how to.
	I hope that's not that way.
	You're special.
	You're special too.
	No, not you, Felicity, the girl.
	I know.
	I'm saying that you're special.
	I thought you were saying that in response to me.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you don't think I'm supposed to be able to do that?
	I think everybody you're retarded.
	That wasn't very good.
	I thought that was funny.
	Come on.
	That was kind of funny.
	Okay, tough crowd.
	All right.
	Tough crowd here.
	Tough crowd.
	I thought Felicity was going to be a good sport.
	No, I did.
	I giggled, but I wasn't like.
	So you weren't happy with it.
	All right, on the short bus with you.
	Thank you.
	Wait.
	Lauren?
	Oh, that was the flake.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	I mean, really quickly.
	I have a high-value Christian man.
	Get your life together.
	Dakota.
	Ranshaki.
	Wait, can you exactly?
	We're not supposed to read it.
	Just wait.
	Dakota.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wait.
	We already kind of did go into like, what are you, like, what are your standards, right?
	Because you seem super picky.
	You know, you're.
	Am I?
	Well, you waited, you lost your Virginia at 26.
	Yeah, that wasn't really like, I mean, I just waited for someone to like me as much as I liked them, and that's all that it took.
	It was, I swear all my life, I've always liked someone and they've never liked me back.
	But you had to, you had to really like the person is what you're saying.
	Well, yeah.
	It's not just like if the guy, you had like medium levels of interest for him, but like he was super into you, that wouldn't have been enough.
	No, right, right.
	We have to be equally as into each other.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And that's all it took.
	That was it.
	I wasn't holding, I'm not like religious.
	I wasn't waiting for marriage.
	You know.
	Okay.
	It's just as simple as that.
	Because I mean, look, I mean, you, again, Southern California, you went to UCLA.
	You know, you're a good-looking gal.
	I'm sure there are plenty of guys who were into you.
	I know, I would hope so.
	But no, like I said, I was a tomboy like my entire life.
	I was a gymnast.
	I, you know, was around a ton of girls.
	I was in a sorority.
	I was a cheerleader.
	So it was just like all females my whole life.
	You know, so.
	Okay.
	Brian, or Felicity, can you read it?
	Brian, please tell Chair Six that she needs to lower her voice and speak less if she is to find a high-value Christian man.
	Her Christianity is questionable.
	She's a faux intellectual and a faux Christian scholar.
	Thank you for the compliment.
	She's black null array.
	Wow.
	Well, look.
	Thank you for the compliments.
	I appreciate it.
	She's been married for, was it 15, 13 years or something?
	13 years.
	Yeah, my husband sent me here.
	Yeah.
	So she did win.
	She got the job done.
	Expenses paid.
	She got the job done.
	So, yeah.
	If you want to send another one, though, I'll if you want to revise, I guess, your position on that.
	Going to, I think this is the, we have, uh, hold on, what the heck?
	Jacqueline.
	Uh, yes, Jacqueline.
	Good job.
	Modern women, men, dating dilemma.
	You wanted to talk about feminism, covert feminism, interracial marriage dating.
	What's your thoughts there?
	I don't know.
	What did I say?
	Well, you just, that was just a bullet point.
	Oh, I think.
	Oh, sorry.
	Was that the first one I sent you or the second one I sent you?
	I don't know.
	I just feminism.
	One of them I thought through, one of them I didn't think through.
	You asked me to, I just started listening things.
	So I don't, I don't think.
	Okay, then we'll skip those.
	You believe there is one church you say black Americans are more racist than white Americans?
	That's an interesting one.
	Why is that?
	Yeah.
	Please give it to me.
	Let's start tossing those philosophies.
	I believe in general.
	I find that, especially given the demographics of where I live, I just think that that's kind of obvious.
	Most of my evidence, I guess, for a claim like that is anecdotal.
	There's no statistic that you really can have.
	It's just my livable, observable experience.
	So I'm not going to profess to throw out any statistics for anybody.
	I forgot what it was.
	What was the question?
	I don't think he asked me a question.
	He just read from some of the notes that he had.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It says you also mentioned abortion as well.
	Abortion is wrong under every circumstance.
	Yeah.
	Want to touch on that?
	Sure.
	A little.
	I think abortion is wrong under every circumstance.
	Period.
	But like, I don't know.
	He's not here, and I'm just like trying to get the conversation.
	I know.
	Questions?
	Yeah, does anyone disagree with her?
	On anything, even though whatever all the things that he said that I said, anybody have anything to?
	Oh, she disagrees, so why do you disagree?
	Well, I just think it's the woman's choice to make.
	I don't think it should be under like any government supervision.
	Remember?
	Oh, sorry.
	No, but that's it.
	That's my, that's my discussion.
	So remember earlier when I said he asked who has more rights or something along that line, and I said women have more rights.
	It takes two people to make the baby, but only one to kill the baby.
	You don't see anything wrong with that?
	I just think if the woman is providing the child, like she's going through the labor and doing all that stuff, I feel like if she doesn't want to have it, then she shouldn't want to do it.
	And in the cases of like rape and stuff, like obviously like rape is horrible.
	There's so people think that there's more women who are getting raped in abortions when I promise you that's not the case.
	Absolutely not.
	And even when it comes into biblical stuff, like killing your child to make your life easier is literally like a sacrificial, like a ceremony.
	Like I, oh, sorry.
	Sorry, my bad.
	It's a hot topic for me, especially because I had one, and that was one of my biggest regrets.
	I'm going to tell you right now, when I tell you, I couldn't even look at myself in the mirror without wanting to rip my heart out of my chest.
	I felt lied to.
	And honestly, the reason I did it was literally just that because I wanted to make my life seem easier.
	And when I tell you I really wish my son was here, like I still cry about it.
	I think the industry especially preys on black women to abort their children.
	It's a dangerous place to be.
	Yes, I had an abortion.
	Biggest regret of my life.
	Absolutely biggest regret.
	I literally had to go to therapy for over a year because I wanted to kill myself over that.
	So, and it gets me a little choked up because it's taken a lot to forgive myself.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Yeah.
	Well, a couple things on this.
	So, I mean, I guess question for you.
	If we were, for the sake of argument, in the incidence of rape, incest, mother's life, if we were to actually allow abortion in these instances, would you then be against all the other instances of abortion?
	Like, do you mean like if as a source of birth control?
	Oh.
	Well, okay, so the other instances would be I'm having consent, consensual sex with my boyfriend, and I got pregnant.
	Right.
	Or, you know, well, I mean, this would be the case.
	Well, I had a one-night stand, or yeah, I'm dating a guy, but I'm neither of us are financially ready.
	Yeah.
	So if we go ahead and grant that abortion, okay, well, if a woman's raped or there's incest or the life of the mother, which, by the way, even for people who are pro-life, they're fine with life of the mother.
	Would you be against abortion in all other instances?
	Yeah, I like what, wait, like, no, I wouldn't, no, sorry.
	No, I wouldn't be.
	Sorry, I got it confused.
	So, wait, so like, okay, so in any other, like, so he's saying he grants you that you rape, incest, life of the mother, no abortion, now all the rest.
	Are they allowed to have abortions?
	No, they can get abortions.
	Wait, so you're saying, like, in any case, like, anyone can get it abortions?
	No, no, no.
	Besides these three cases, okay.
	Rape, incest, life of the mother, absolutely, the woman that can have an abortion.
	Oh, yes.
	Are you against abortion in all other instances where those aren't factors?
	No, I'm not.
	So you're for abortion?
	Like in other instances?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So then, but like in that case, why bring up like, okay, well, what if a woman's rapes, right?
	Well, still, like, stuff, stuff happens, you know, like unprotected sex.
	It happens all the time.
	Some people decide to do it, some people don't, you know?
	You have unprotected sex.
	You're allowing yourself what's possible.
	Like, please play stupid games when stupid crises.
	It happens.
	I mean, like, especially in a college campus.
	Well, as adults and you're having sex, you should make sure that you've got your bases covered if you don't want to.
	Yeah, or don't have sex.
	No, you don't have to.
	I mean, even if you're, it's really low probability, but even protected sex, there's still a risk of pregnancy.
	We're not going to linger on the abortion conversation for long, though.
	I do want to, let's see.
	I think we're actually good on the notes.
	There's a couple.
	Here, we'll do this.
	Let the chat come through.
	Chris One donated $69.
	Well done, chair number three.
	Tell other Chris he's wrong, Lol.
	Chair number three knows her stuff.
	Flexed bicep emoji.
	Yo, Chris, thank you for the TTS, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Guys, if you want, we're probably going to try to get this wrapped up here pretty soon, guys.
	So I guess final call-ish, final call-ish for the TTS, if you guys want to get it in.
	I don't think we'll do a lowering.
	So we're going to do, we'll just leave it at 69 just because we'll leave it at that.
	Let's see here.
	We have all the like Felicity questions that I'm tempted to just do.
	Hmm.
	We did this one.
	Here.
	Can you see Felicity?
	Just start.
	Start here.
	How many states are in the U.S. starting with you?
	We'll go around the table.
	50.
	This is just like our rapid fire.
	What is the capital of the U.S.?
	This is a quiz time.
	Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. Washington.
	How many stars are on the flag?
	The U.S. flag?
	50.
	Okay.
	50.
	You're getting it right.
	Did we do this one already?
	Yeah, and it was painted.
	What century are we in?
	We're going to go around.
	What century are we in?
	Center.
	Century.
	I said it's century and she's like, what?
	So century?
	Yes, what century are we in?
	Oh my god, wait, I'm blanking.
	I'm so sorry.
	21?
	21st, 21st century.
	Sorry.
	21st.
	How many are in a dozen?
	Let's start here.
	Okay, we'll go the other way.
	Yeah, let's not put too much pressure on Chairman.
	12 and 13 in a Baker's desert.
	Okay, wow.
	I feel like if the first person guess well, these are just really easy.
	I don't know.
	These are hard.
	I feel like you're not.
	These are easy, but you'd be surprised by how many people get it wrong.
	This one starts here.
	Okay, going opposite way.
	What year was the U.S. founded?
	Oh, geez.
	You got this.
	1742?
	17.
	Don't whisper the answer to her.
	No, I didn't.
	I actually checked my contacts out, so I can't even read their list.
	17.
	Let's see, we just had like the two.
	I don't know.
	1776.
	1776.
	Here, how about we should be like, does somebody have a different answer?
	Oh, yeah, that's true.
	No, like, like if we'll just have it.
	If anyone disagrees with that, who did the U.S. gain its independence from?
	Oh, England.
	No, not England.
	One of the British, the Red Coats, those people.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Who was the first president of the U.S.?
	George Washington.
	Concur.
	I agree, yes.
	Let's go ahead and do.
	Yeah, continue on this side.
	Oh, please.
	Go ahead.
	This one.
	What country was, what country is the Great Wall of China in?
	I feel like this is.
	It's an.
	Oh, wait.
	Country.
	Country.
	Okay, China.
	How many inches and a feet?
	And a feet?
	And a foot.
	In the feet.
	In a foot.
	How many inches and a foot?
	12.
	These are just some light, easy questions because I feel like the conversation is so intense for the whole show.
	So these are just some final questions to, you know.
	How many seasons are there?
	Four.
	Oh, sorry.
	Okay.
	Four, yeah.
	Okay, we're going to start with Dakota now and then we'll go that way.
	Okay.
	How many days in a year?
	360.
	These are so stupid.
	All right.
	Keep going.
	How many letters are in the alphabet?
	26?
	24?
	26, yeah.
	27.
	26.
	Yeah, 29.
	Wait.
	No, it's 26.
	I was like, this is so easy.
	Maybe I should pick who gets asked the question.
	Yeah, you pick.
	Oh, okay.
	How about we're going to do we'll do Dakota again.
	Okay, how many days of the week end with the letter Y?
	All of them.
	We need some like crazy answers.
	Here, ask her.
	What is a shape with four sides called?
	Square?
	Yes.
	How long does each president serve their term?
	Should we just have everybody like shit?
	No, I feel like that wouldn't work.
	Wait, what was your answer?
	You're asking me?
	No, no, no, I'm asking.
	Four years.
	Okay.
	Here, what language do the people in Idaho speak?
	English.
	Who came up with these?
	You did.
	I'm not scared.
	I have a good idea.
	How many oceans are there?
	Okay, everyone names an ocean.
	Atlantic.
	Pacific.
	That's a tough one, I don't know why.
	Isn't that a tough?
	I don't know.
	Oceans?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Can I go?
	It was a good try.
	Let me go back.
	Wait, I think we have to wait our turn.
	Did you want to get the other girls?
	Oh, did you guys want to answer?
	Indian Ocean, Seven Ocean.
	Yeah.
	Is the Arctic Ocean an ocean?
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did you see that?
	I think you already said Atlanta.
	Okay.
	Someone already said it.
	I got nothing.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I read just not about that.
	Okay.
	What ocean is California next to?
	Pacific.
	I'm wondering if somebody guesses it, do we just move?
	How about I think probably that message?
	If we ask them and they get it right, we don't ask them the next question.
	Like we move it around.
	Okay, what is half of 1 million?
	$500,000.
	How many years in a decade?
	A year in a decade?
	10.
	How many years in a century?
	21.
	Or 20.
	21.
	What?
	Oh, 100.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I did it.
	I was wrong.
	Thank you.
	Let's do.
	Here, let's do you.
	If a dozen eggs cost $3, how much is each egg?
	Say that again.
	Say it again.
	If a dozen eggs cost $3, how much is each egg?
	Three.
	Wait.
	Don't you got this.
	I don't do math.
	I'm strictly humanities.
	25 cents.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	It's not like crazy calculus.
	No.
	You are getting a yellow card.
	Bro.
	Sorry.
	Oh, my God.
	That's crazy, Dakota.
	I thought you were my Caucasian.
	I thought you were my Caucasian.
	That's fucked up.
	Sorry.
	They're so easy.
	What is the answer?
	Wait, what was the answer?
	What was the answer?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	It's 25 cents.
	25 cents.
	Who are we starting with next?
	We're going to go her.
	Okay.
	Next to you.
	What is the closest star to Earth?
	Oh, I know this is.
	Jeez.
	I don't know.
	The North Star.
	That's more than I can even.
	Oh, wait.
	No, freaking.
	The Sun.
	The Sun.
	I would have got that wrong.
	No, no.
	I don't even think the North star is the closest, is it?
	I have no idea.
	I don't know.
	Other than the Sun.
	No, Felicity, what is the closest star?
	The second closest.
	It's the Sun.
	Bruh.
	Is the closest.
	But she said the North Stars?
	Like, that's not even the closest.
	I forgot the sun, but it's also not the North Star.
	I see what you're saying.
	Okay.
	Who do you want the next one to go to?
	We'll ask it and I'll direct.
	How many degrees is a full rotation of a circle?
	You.
	360, no?
	Yes.
	Oh, hold on.
	This one's a bit more.
	This is for Dakota.
	Come on.
	She's sharp.
	She's smart.
	If you are walking perfect north and you turn right 90 degrees, which direction are you now going?
	East.
	Do you know what year the war of 1812 was?
	1812.
	Oh, we didn't even ask the World War.
	Okay, we'll do that in a bit.
	I'm gonna get it wrong again.
	What country is the Panama Canal in?
	Oh, come on.
	I don't guys.
	Don't add just buy it.
	I'm gonna be honest.
	I don't got it.
	Okay.
	what country is the panama canal in crickets Guess.
	Do you want to guess?
	Just guess which country?
	American.
	Guess a country.
	South America.
	No, that's a continent.
	Guess a country.
	Oh, a country.
	France.
	Oh, Panama.
	What did they say?
	Yeah.
	I'm smart.
	Here's for Dakota.
	Where did the attack on Pearl Harbor take place?
	Why are you taking my point?
	In Hawaii.
	Okay.
	In 1942.
	For her.
	What country did the Vietnam War happen in?
	Vietnam.
	No?
	Yeah, okay.
	No, you got to write it up.
	This one is like, I feel like people get it wrong.
	Wait, wasn't it?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	In 1965.
	How much is a quarter of an hour?
	How much is it?
	25 minutes?
	No, Wait.
	You know.
	20 minutes, no?
	No.
	Quarter of an hour.
	How much time is that?
	A quarter of an hour.
	I'm really trying to.
	You got this.
	I'm really bad at mouth, guys.
	I can't do it.
	I feel so much better.
	Here, you.
	What is it?
	15 minutes.
	Okay.
	Okay, who's the next one?
	I'll just ask, and you drop it.
	Ask Dakota.
	What is 100 minus 34?
	66.
	What is 3 times 3 plus 1?
	10.
	Wait, what?
	Why are you giving me Dakota?
	What?
	Isn't it December 7th, right?
	Wasn't the attack on Pearl Harbor happen today?
	Oh, today's December 7th.
	Yeah.
	It is.
	What is 3 times 3 times 3?
	3 times 3, 9.
	9 times 3, 27.
	This one is.
	To her.
	What does Y ES spell?
	To her.
	If you were born 10 years ago, how old would you be today?
	I was born 10 years ago.
	Today, 10?
	Good job.
	These questions.
	How many world wars were there?
	Two.
	Okay, and this is for everybody.
	We're going to go around the table starting with her.
	What decade was World War I?
	What decade?
	Yes.
	Wait, decade?
	Or century?
	So decade would be like 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010.
	Okay, 1910, I think.
	Yeah.
	What decade?
	Repeat.
	1910s?
	1910s.
	Yeah.
	1910s.
	1910s.
	Yeah, what they say.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What was the primary decade of World War II?
	19.
	I think either 1940 or 1950.
	1940s.
	1940.
	1940.
	1940s.
	Yeah, the 40s.
	Can you name three Kardashians?
	Kim, Chloe, Kendall.
	Okay.
	Technically, she's not a Kardashian, but that's the same thing, pretty much.
	What percentage of men do you think are over six feet going around the table?
	Like over.
	I feel like majority, like 60%, I think.
	Not even close.
	I'm like, maybe 15% in the world?
	Or like.
	Let's just say the United States.
	4%.
	4%?
	I don't know exactly.
	I just know it's not as much as we think, though.
	I do know that.
	Yes.
	You got to throw a number out.
	10.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	I would say 15 to 20%.
	Into the mic.
	15 to 20%.
	Go ahead.
	I was going to say 10-ish.
	Okay.
	It's my understanding, it's about 15%.
	60%?
	Dang.
	Maybe I just 60%.
	I don't know.
	All the guys at you know.
	I'll tell.
	They're sure.
	Okay.
	What percentage of men make at least a million dollars a year?
	Here, let's start over here.
	Just to switch it up.
	What percent?
	To 1%.
	In America, I'd say a little less than 1%.
	Yeah, like 2%.
	I was going to say 2.
	I was going to say less than 1%.
	Okay.
	What percentage of men have yachts?
	Have yachts?
	Yeah.
	5%.
	5%?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Like 0.02, maybe?
	0.5%.
	Less than 1%.
	Fraction of a percent.
	0.5%.
	That sounds good.
	Okay.
	Do you keep a list of all the men you've slept with?
	Be honest.
	No.
	Like in your phone, you know how you have the notes?
	Some girls do that.
	You have it?
	Yeah.
	How long is the list?
	I'm not going to.
	It's not long.
	Wait, did she give a ballpark or no?
	No.
	No.
	I wasn't here.
	I wasn't here.
	Anybody keep a list?
	No.
	Scrapbook?
	Notepad?
	Nothing?
	Okay.
	Scrapbook?
	Wait, put their picture in there?
	Yeah, some girls do that shit.
	Some girls do that shit.
	Shit.
	Okay.
	Do you have a roster?
	No.
	Because you've been single for two years, right?
	Like, it's about to be two years, yeah.
	No.
	Is there a guy in the picture currently?
	Yeah, but I don't want him.
	Wait, you don't want him?
	Like, he's a frat guy.
	But, like, you guys have been, like, a situationship or hang out with you?
	No.
	I mean, hang out, kind of, but, like, I kind of blow him off.
	Okay.
	You blow him off?
	Oh, my God.
	Poor guy.
	Okay.
	Roster.
	Have you ever had a roster?
	Yeah.
	Like, dating?
	Freshman year of college.
	How big was the roster?
	It wasn't that big.
	Not that big?
	No.
	Like five?
	Like, four to five.
	Four to five.
	Four to five.
	What about you?
	Ever had a roster?
	No.
	Never?
	I mean, no.
	That's like a list of guys that you like.
	Yeah, no.
	What about you, roster?
	Right now?
	No.
	Yeah, I was going to say, I'm very happy with you.
	When you're single, when you're singing, no.
	I've like hung out with multiple people, but not like a roster.
	Roster?
	No.
	Roster?
	No.
	Roster?
	Does that mean by rotating, you know, like guys you have on call or something?
	How about here?
	I guess we could do it like no.
	You're guys that you're dating at the same time.
	Oh, dating, hooking up with.
	Heavens, no.
	I don't know if I believe that, but we'll do this one starting with her if you can direct it.
	Have you ever slept with someone the same day you met them?
	Yeah.
	How quick?
	Was it San Francisco?
	Definitely never faster than that.
	That was the quickest.
	30, 30 minutes.
	Okay, going around the table.
	No.
	Yeah.
	What was the question?
	Can I answer that right?
	It was.
	Like, have you ever slept with someone the same day you met them?
	No.
	If not, or if yes, how quick?
	Oh, it was like a few hours.
	Like, it was like never.
	Never?
	Never.
	24 hours?
	No.
	Never.
	Never.
	Never?
	Wait, what?
	Oh, well, the Olympic guy.
	I was talking to him before, and we met briefly.
	It was the second day, though.
	Second date, yeah.
	What about you?
	No.
	Okay.
	Anyone here ever had a threesome?
	Be honest.
	Never.
	Maybe.
	No, and wouldn't.
	Okay, I can't see the rest of the day.
	Wait, did we haven't hooked up with a guy the same day you met him?
	Never?
	Oh, okay.
	A pretty consistent panel.
	That's what I thought from the beginning.
	Right.
	Foursome, more than a threesome, I guess.
	Anyone had a ho phase?
	Show of hands, if you've had a hoe phase.
	Look, I was young, and you're a military.
	This is for the girls.
	What was your ho phase to everyone that raised their hands?
	Yeah, what was your ho phase that you had?
	Like, explain it in brief, I guess.
	I mean, just doing it too often and indiscriminately.
	With different men, you're saying, though.
	Yeah.
	Not at the same time.
	What was your hoe phase?
	Fresh out of a relationship, and I went like first time in college and stuff, so I just like went out and partied a lot, kissed a lot of guys.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	And you?
	Oh, just younger being near a military base and like being like fresh 18 and stuff like that.
	And yeah.
	Question for you over here.
	Because I think a lot of people said no.
	Has anyone here ever hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
	No, not that.
	Have you?
	No.
	No?
	Two in a day?
	I'll put it in a week.
	Yeah.
	What about a seven-day period?
	How many guys?
	Two.
	No more than two.
	No more than two.
	Okay.
	What about a one-month period?
	Three?
	In my ho phase, yeah.
	I think I could have gone like every week doing a different guy.
	Okay.
	Which is gross.
	I now realize that is gross.
	Okay.
	That was it.
	Do we just do like a 20-minute roast session?
	There's probably chats that need to come in, anyways.
	That's true.
	Let me get those in.
	Time permitting.
	I think that's any, I guess, opening it up to the panel.
	Any topics anybody wants to hit on here?
	Like any final thoughts from anybody?
	Think about it for a moment.
	Chris One donated $69.
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	We did this one.
	Tell others.
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	My bad.
	My bad.
	I have the next one coming in.
	Sorry.
	Sorry about that.
	Sorry.
	Thori.
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	Yo, ProShotty, thank you.
	Brian, good to see you again.
	Good to see you, man.
	When do we get your partner brother back?
	Sorry, new to the show, so forget his name.
	Andrew?
	Also, what do y'all think about the smartest person in the room is usually the quietest?
	I feel like I'm the quietest, and I'm definitely not the smartest here.
	Not necessarily, but what's that saying related to this?
	Oh, shit.
	Better to remain silent than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
	Wait, I'm missing a part of it.
	Better to remain silent and be thought of a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubts.
	Yes, yes, thank you.
	Well done.
	Yes.
	Yes, that's it.
	I love that quote.
	Okay, we have Pasty George here.
	My friend, Pasty George.
	Your best friend, your BFF in Canada.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	The panelists from chairs one to seven.
	What legislation did the Canadian federal government use to forcibly relocate indigenous people and criminalize their rights?
	Wow.
	Languages and cultural practices.
	Any Canadians here?
	Pasty George, do you also want to talk about Canadian?
	I don't know.
	All I know is that they killed a bunch of ostriches recently.
	Did you guys see that?
	I've heard about ostriches.
	Unbelievable.
	Are you ostrich advocates?
	You know I love animals.
	But to shoot 400 of them when they had herd immunity was crazy.
	But for a no reason?
	Was it hungry?
	They claimed it was like because they had diseases, but they had gotten past those diseases and had herd immunity.
	So they should have been used for science to study the antibodies, and they slaughtered 400 of them.
	The owner was not aware of that.
	It was because of some sort of flu that they got, which they all overcame.
	none of them died.
	Could have used it for, I think it was Big Pharma, if we're gonna put on our tinfoil pants.
	Didn't they say there was some type of magic in like the eggs of an ostrich or some type of thing that's special about the ostrich?
	I don't know that particular.
	I just know this, this particular situation that happened.
	Well, I mean, as to why they actually, the conspiracy behind why they would eradicate them.
	They wanted to kill them because they were diseased, but really all of them got over the disease and science could have used them to study the antibodies and they instead they killed all of them.
	But I mean, like, I don't know if I agree with this because like the lab in Wuhan or in China, they were studying the virus.
	Right.
	And there's, I mean, I don't know if it's ever been proven definitively, but the preeminence theory is that there was a lab leak.
	Yes.
	So it's like maybe it's probably better that we merked some ostriches to prevent another fucking scam demic.
	No, because I mean, they were immune.
	No one got sick.
	All of the ostriches.
	Nah, kill the fucking ostriches.
	Fuck the ostriches.
	Oh my gosh.
	You love big pharma?
	Oh, get it.
	What would that have to do with big pharma?
	They would use it as a fucking pretext for another scam demic.
	Actually true.
	Also.
	If there was a fucking outbreak of bird avion flu, no, merk the birds.
	No.
	Merk the birds.
	No, we kill a lot of people.
	I ain't doing what we're doing.
	I think we just killed like 40 million chickens because of bird flu.
	Merk the chickens.
	Which is why the eggs were so expensive.
	You're so educated on birds.
	Well, it's politics.
	That's politics.
	They had already survived it.
	Bro.
	Are they talking about the...
	Who knows what's true?
	They...
	Apparently, so the ostriches did were sick.
	They were sick and they survived.
	So science should have studied the antibodies.
	Are we sure they survived?
	Are we sure they cleared the illness?
	Yes, this is major.
	This is major news in Canada.
	But how are you going to test?
	How do you know?
	You test their plasma and their blood, and then you get the antibodies from it.
	I think maybe we just merc them all.
	Just merc the fucking ostriches.
	Well, big pharma doesn't want cures, which is why.
	Wait, question for you.
	To have avoided, hypothetically, to have avoided COVID, you personally had to merc 400 ostages, would you have done it?
	If COVID wasn't lethal, like, so no, I wouldn't have killed a bunch of birds told.
	Hold on, hold on.
	To have prevented COVID.
	You mean worldwide?
	Or just me personally getting COVID?
	No, no, not you personally.
	Oh, okay.
	And worldwide, of course, I'd kill 400 birds to save humans.
	Yes, of course I would.
	Oh, okay.
	I wouldn't want to do that.
	I thought you meant me personally.
	Of course, like, I wouldn't.
	Yeah, no, I don't know.
	I wouldn't.
	Yeah, but that's not.
	I would take a cold.
	I was about to say, I was about to say, I'll get the cold.
	I was about to say, actually, I would also rather just get COVID than merc 400 birds.
	Come on.
	Honestly, I think I'm down.
	No, you're not.
	Look, I don't like the sniffles.
	I don't know if I'm with the sniffles now.
	If you saw the animals, like you're heartbreaking.
	You're not big enough.
	I'm not an AR-15.
	I'm going to merk 400 birds to not get COVID.
	Look, I'm a busy guy.
	I got a business.
	No, I'll be fine.
	But look, I don't want to have to not do a show for a week.
	You're trying to be tough.
	You're trying to be tough right now.
	And you're not trying to.
	I know you're an animal lover and you're thinking tank.
	This is yo, chat.
	Let's do a poll in the chat.
	Let's do Chen the poll.
	Chat, would you merc 400 birds to not get COVID?
	One time.
	One time.
	Shit, I might take that deal.
	That's so wild.
	It's like a like you have for like five days and then you're fine.
	Look, you women, when you get the flu or you get the man flu.
	I'm fucked.
	I got COVID and I was fucked up for like two weeks.
	That shit sucks.
	Oh, I could just imagine that.
	You were.
	I was not happy.
	There's a lot of phlegm.
	I'm merking 400 ostriches.
	And honestly, COVID could actually unlock autoimmune diseases in you.
	One of my clients, but when I first was like tattooing her, she had super healthy everything.
	She got COVID and she's terminal now due to like, I know it's crazy.
	So she would merc 400 ostriches.
	And she has a great sense of humor, so she would think it's funny.
	No, just thinking about.
	No.
	I'm just thinking about.
	Sorry, but like, what is the least I'm willing to suffer?
	And the trade-off is I have to merk for 400 birds.
	You would like to be able to do that.
	What about stabbing your toe?
	I was about to say you would avoid stubbing your toe or something.
	You would avoid like someone touching the rim of your cup.
	Honestly, I would merc 400 birds for Nick to not get sick.
	Like that's not even me.
	Nick, if you got, if it was like, okay, Nick has to get COVID or I have to merk 400 birds, I'm going to.
	Yeah, I'll merk.
	I'll merck.
	No judgment.
	You're welcome, Nick.
	You're watching.
	Hypotheticals.
	I'm not taking you.
	What about me?
	What about me?
	You can get it.
	You can get sick.
	Listen.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Let's see.
	We have some chats coming through.
	Hold on.
	Boom.
	Based Thor donated $69.
	There is no such thing as a 304 phase.
	Once a 304, always a 304.
	I used to murder, but I don't murder anymore.
	Therefore, I'm not a murderer.
	Ladies, if beauty was a crime, you all would be innocent.
	Thank you.
	Wait, why did you just say that?
	I'll take it.
	I'll just call myself a reformed hoe now.
	I like that.
	We're all redeemed anyway.
	The blood of Christ.
	All right, we have Bluff has donated $30.
	Thank you.
	Brixon likes his 403s to be like COVID.
	19 and easy to spread.
	Oh.
	What?
	What?
	Okay.
	They're really creative.
	Like, menacative.
	Let's just call women whores.
	I like it.
	Love it.
	Well, I think that's the most creative.
	We're ever done before.
	Exactly.
	I was a virgin until I was 26, and I was called a whore.
	Yeah.
	Like, if the shit fits, okay.
	Yeah.
	Little do you know.
	I like to call nuns whores.
	Right.
	That's, yeah.
	Even nuns are whores.
	A whore.
	You're probably the biggest horror here.
	You're the biggest score here, Felicity.
	You just give me horror vibes.
	Especially young Brian.
	Let's see young Brian.
	Oh, my God, Felicity.
	Okay, stop cooning.
	Those blue eyes.
	Stop gooning.
	Actually, I recently found my, like, I think I was my junior or sophisticated.
	I think, well, I have both.
	Junior sophomore yearbook photo.
	And I'm going to post on my Instagram.
	Maybe throwback Thursday this week.
	Wow.
	I'm excited.
	Pro shot.
	That's weird.
	I was like 15, you fucking didn't like some of what you said abruptly, but your Christian points were very well spoken.
	You showed me I should be more patient, although God bless your man for his patience.
	Bless him for his patience.
	Wait, hold on, Felicity.
	I'm not going to let you evade this, bro.
	So I said, I thought you said junior.
	That's like 18.
	No, I said my senior's 18.
	Sophomore and junior yearbook photos, which is like 15, 16.
	And Felicity was like, I want to see that, bro.
	Okay, okay, let me explain.
	I actually didn't mean it like that.
	And then you were like, gave me a weird look, and then I played into that I meant it like that, but I didn't mean it like that.
	That's crazy, Felicity.
	Oh, shit.
	No, I only talk older.
	I didn't say that.
	Felicity's digging a hole here.
	Trying to help her out.
	Thank you.
	I was asking if there were any final thoughts from any of the panelists.
	Any final thoughts?
	Thank you for having me.
	Anybody wanted to weigh in on something?
	But our thoughts.
	I'm just a help.
	That was a good one.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	I'll allow some more chats to come through.
	We do have some more chats to come through.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	I chose not to get the C vaccines, and I got COVID three times and beat it each time.
	A friend of mine was forced to take them by her job, and she died two weeks later from sudden onset heart failure.
	The myocarditis, yeah, man.
	A lot of heart issues from the jab.
	I believe.
	Gun crazed panda donated $30.
	Isn't funny how most women wouldn't kill birds be they have no problem the babies?
	Never had an abortion and I'm against abortion, so I hope he's not talking about me.
	No, I think he was probably in general, but generally it's true.
	And again, I'm guilty of it, but never again.
	Never again.
	I don't even care if it's a horrible way it happens.
	It wasn't, it's not worth it.
	Gold and questions donated $29.19.
	Chair one, your brainwash feminists.
	You lend up like chair seven, alone, delusional and old, thinking someone wants you even if they tell you otherwise.
	Please change.
	Family gives you purpose, not work.
	Harsh.
	That's okay.
	Mean, mean person.
	Pro Shotty donated $29.
	Chair 5.
	Sadly, I think you are taken, but you are as beautiful outside as you speak internally to us.
	We all make mistakes growing up.
	I'm sorry about your loss, but you are a beautiful person.
	Nice little message there.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Thank you, Pro Shotty.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Let's go to Twitch really quick.
	We'll shout out Twitch.
	Guys, final call on the TTS if you want to get it in.
	Final call.
	$30 TTS.
	Final call.
	Guys, I don't know why it's not.
	That's weird.
	Can you, yeah, try it one more time.
	I don't know.
	I don't know why it's that's weird.
	Can you click on activity feed up there?
	Actually, no, no, no, no.
	Click on Filters.
	Wait.
	That's weird.
	I don't know.
	Unfortunately, I'm not able to shout any of you guys out, but it's bugged, boys.
	I told you.
	I always tell you it's bugged.
	Final call for Twitch.
	Guys, thank you so much for watching on Twitch.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub if you have one.
	Final call for Twitch.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch quick-free easy way to support the show every single month.
	All right, we have some chats coming through.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	If I had to merk a bunch of birds to prevent another scandemic by governments and big pharma, I would.
	Hell yeah.
	Let's go.
	Oh, we got sons of Liberty coming in.
	Sonsoft Liberty donated $29.
	B.
	I almost drowned surfing the boom in Nicaragua.
	Have you ever had a drowning experience surfing?
	Long or scary hold downs.
	By the way, trans women are men.
	I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
	Just a little sprinkle spent off.
	You know, surfing in California, truthfully, like the sometimes we'll have like massive big swells, but overwhelmingly, the waves typically don't get freaked, like don't get too big.
	I don't think I've had a super scary hold down, but I mean, I've surfed.
	I've had some, I've definitely had some like surfing hold downs where I'm like out of breath and I'm like probably a few more, but I'm not like training for like big wave surfing or anything, but like I've been out on like double overhead days, I think.
	And I've had some hold downs that are a little sketchy, but I know nothing, nothing too crazy.
	So yeah.
	But that's that's crazy, man.
	That's crazy.
	You gotta be careful of surfing, man.
	People die.
	People die.
	We have Blafest here.
	Blafest donated $30.
	Every woman should be able to get an abortion whenever and wherever they like.
	It's their body, their choice.
	The only condition being each time they should have to get a prison-style teardrop to that's an interesting one.
	Okay.
	I love the caveat at the end.
	They have a little mark or something.
	Okay.
	They'd probably do that trade.
	Like to ensure abortion rights in perpetuity.
	You have to get it.
	They'd do that.
	They take the trade.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Yeah, thank you, Pasty.
	I want to thank the panelists who stayed for the entire show and to Brian, our host.
	Thank you all and good night.
	PSI will try to be here for every episode, but no.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Pasty George with the little change up.
	Hey, man.
	We'd love to.
	The audience likes you.
	We all like you here or whatever, man.
	So I know you said you were taking some time off, but man, you're always welcome if you want to tune in.
	And bro, you don't even have, like, just watch the show, man.
	Just say hi.
	You can just say hi in the chat.
	The chatters like you, man.
	But, yo, I'm like pleasantly.
	That made my day, though.
	Honestly, that made my day to see pasty because I thought he was gone.
	i was like damn it's like lost a friend uh but good to see you in the chat man Stop by anytime, man.
	Anytime.
	If you got some free time, I can't pronounce your name, but chair six should debate Andrew on theology would be great.
	You want to debate him?
	Not here.
	You could just call him, I guess, do a call.
	I don't know if you guys would what you guys would really disagree on, but uh I don't know.
	Uh Kanaki Kanachi.
	Am I saying Kanachi?
	Kenachi.
	Okay.
	Is there anything else we have to go over?
	No.
	I feel like I'm forgetting something.
	Don't lie, Felicity, you liar.
	You always say, I feel like I'm forgetting something.
	Let's see.
	Was there a meme?
	No, no, no.
	You don't have to show that.
	No.
	All right.
	Well, trying to think.
	Well, yeah, gee, I'm just going to say.
	Wait, wait, give me like 30 seconds to think if I'm, I feel like I'm forgetting something.
	I don't want to fuck anything up.
	We're going to skip the makeup.
	We already did the.
	Oh, oh, Nick, the swaps, the AI.
	Okay, we'll do that two minutes.
	We're going to do it super quick.
	We have both, gender swap and okay.
	So super quick.
	Yeah, last final segment.
	And then also, guys, while we're doing the segment, if any of you want to get in a roast, you're more than welcome to $30 TTS.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Hope.
	At 29?
	What about 39?
	20 years?
	Okay.
	You're 38.
	Yeah.
	Better looking in 10 years' time, 48.
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	48.
	Yeah, I think so.
	What's going to change?
	I get a lot of Botox.
	Do you have unlimited Bo Talks?
	Do I have unlimited?
	Isn't there?
	Don't they sell like unlimited Botox plans?
	58.
	What about 58?
	Probably better looking now than I will be at 58.
	Okay, and then going backwards, are you better looking now or were you better looking at 28?
	No, hands down.
	18?
	38.
	No.
	Okay.
	You are 36?
	Yes.
	Better looking in 10 years' time, 46?
	Not better looking, no.
	The same?
	No.
	Okay.
	36, going back 10 years, 26.
	Better looking, 26.
	No, I think I peaked at like 30 to 32.
	Okay.
	For you, you're 30?
	Better looking in 10 years, 40?
	No.
	Better looking 10 years ago, 20.
	No, I was really overweight, so now better looking.
	You're 41, better looking, 51.
	No.
	31, better looking.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, 31, yes.
	21, better looking?
	No.
	Wait, 41 better than 21?
	No, 41, better.
	41.
	I'm going to get it.
	It's okay.
	All right, so 31 was better, I think, than 21.
	31 better than 21, but 21 better than 41.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You're 33, better looking in 10 years' time, 43.
	No, I'm deteriorating rapidly, actually.
	You know, I love the high voice.
	I love it.
	I do.
	You got to give the props.
	She's honest, self-aware.
	You have a great job.
	Yeah, you have such a joy.
	Okay, and then 23.
	Were you better looking at 23 or now at 33?
	Yeah, that was basically my peak.
	23.
	Peak at 23.
	Okay.
	There it is.
	So we do a segment where we put you guys through AI.
	We age advance you.
	So we're going to do that.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	Yeah, it's quick.
	Okay, we have Pro Shotty.
	Hold on.
	Let me do the chats first.
	Pro Shotty donated $29.
	Brian, you do a great job on your own.
	It is not easy to run a fun conversation show like this.
	Andrew.
	Okay, that's his name.
	When can we have you both back?
	We'll get him back.
	W Felicity for doing laundry.
	Don't snore or she'll kill you with a pillow that she washed.
	He didn't die.
	He just suffocated for a second.
	Yikes.
	Thank you, Pro Shotty.
	Thank you, big pullout.
	All right.
	We're going to do the age advancement segment.
	One, two.
	Or wait, hold on.
	Let me.
	Yeah.
	Perfect.
	Boom.
	Oh, God.
	You look cute.
	Kill your grandma.
	What's up?
	Peek into our future.
	Yes.
	Wow.
	Why are you laughing so hard?
	AI is crazy.
	Oh, my God.
	You're really enjoying that, Sativa.
	It's just because I remember mine, and it was so bad.
	All right.
	Next.
	Ready?
	Keep.
	I think it's a good idea.
	Are you ready?
	Dakota?
	Yes.
	Are you ready?
	I am ready.
	It's not Dakota.
	Oh, I'm like, wait, what?
	It's the other girl.
	Oh, we'll show it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's fine.
	We'll show it just for funsies.
	She's cute.
	She looks like Selena.
	She's adorable.
	She's very cute.
	No, it's totally fine.
	Next.
	Nice one.
	Oh, no, that was nice.
	It's not bad.
	That last one.
	That last one.
	You look like a southern.
	Yeah, I do.
	All right.
	Next.
	It's cute.
	That's a big jump, though.
	Actually, it's not that bad.
	It's not that bad.
	Normally, they ate.
	It looks graceful.
	I look like my father.
	You look like your dad.
	Wow.
	That's hot.
	Next.
	Scoot to the table just a teenager.
	Sorry.
	Beautiful daughters look like their fathers.
	That's what they say.
	That doesn't even look that bad.
	I like that.
	I think they.
	Ooh.
	I don't look like my grandma there.
	I should be looking like my grandma.
	I need to get closer before you show me.
	I took out my contacts.
	I'm very kind.
	Wait.
	Oh, no, it's okay.
	No.
	We're like about to show it.
	Yeah, just squint.
	It's really going to help.
	Trust me.
	Next.
	You're adorable.
	Oh, my gosh.
	That's adorable.
	That looks good.
	Mine was the worst.
	They just gave me like a fraud.
	That was nice.
	I do that sometimes.
	Next.
	No.
	Don't know how to do it.
	Cute.
	Okay.
	Cute.
	Wow.
	How do you feel about that?
	I look pretty orange.
	I look like Donald Trump on the far right.
	You do.
	You actually do.
	I see it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that is the best.
	Santa.
	Yikes.
	This is like a little gnome.
	Yikes.
	Yeah, that one's Santa.
	I'm already fat.
	Santa, Santa.
	I like that.
	I like that.
	Great.
	Love it.
	Love it.
	Wonderful.
	I love it.
	That's fucked up.
	Next.
	Oh, the gender swap.
	Okay, we've also changed all of you into men.
	So the question is: would you date the male version of you?
	Oh, this one was.
	No.
	No.
	I don't think that looks like.
	I hope that doesn't look like that.
	Yeah, it changed you quite a bit, to be honest.
	Do you have a brother?
	Yeah, I do.
	Does he look like that?
	No.
	Not that bad.
	All right, next.
	Oh, it's her.
	She looks cute.
	You know what?
	You're actually handsome.
	Whoa.
	You're looking like the guy I used to date.
	The beard of you.
	I do, but that does not look like my brother.
	That's funny.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Handsome.
	These ones are really good, actually.
	He's handsome.
	Can you date the male version of you?
	Into the mic.
	Depends on how tall.
	Tall he is.
	Six feet.
	I date him.
	All right.
	Next.
	Why'd they make you Asian?
	You know, someone thought I was Asian today.
	So that's kind of funny.
	I don't know what that is.
	That's like Blasian or Filipino.
	I think Filipino.
	I think it was because of my expression Could be Next.
	Oh.
	He looks like my brother.
	Really?
	Oh, shit.
	Kind of, kind of, yeah.
	Okay.
	He's attractive.
	He's very attractive.
	He's like a handsome.
	Wait.
	He doesn't.
	He's black, but he doesn't look black.
	The hair looks like Indian.
	It's because the hair isn't.
	I don't know if that makes sense.
	But I kind of see what you're saying.
	He doesn't.
	I don't know.
	Whatever.
	Next.
	Oh, that's free.
	That's you.
	Kylie's nice.
	Oh, really?
	Nice.
	That's you.
	If it was a more chiseled jaw, it'd be a win.
	Yeah, my brother has.
	It was a little soft.
	You can watch it back after the stream.
	Oh, you can't see.
	Oh, I had to take him out.
	My contacts got way too dry.
	Wait, what?
	Let me see.
	You kind of look like a twink a little bit.
	He's like dead behind the eyes.
	That's how I already look all the time.
	I have like no thought behind my eyes.
	I don't know.
	He looks weird.
	I don't really like that hat on.
	Next.
	Okay, of course.
	Yeah, I would date her.
	Preferably the far right.
	I guess she's longer hair, whatever.
	Okay.
	I think I'm pretty sure that's it.
	I do want to.
	What's that?
	Can you be racist against white people?
	Nah, well, nah, nah.
	Well, we're going to wrap.
	We're going to wrap.
	Just want to double check.
	I want to make sure there are no chats that came through.
	If any do as I do my intro, I'll be sure to get them.
	But I want to say GG to the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, guys, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
	I read them.
	Positivity is nice and it helps the algorithm.
	It takes about 20 seconds or whatever to allow the comments to be accessible.
	So just if you're watching on YouTube, just stay for a little bit.
	Thank you, everyone, for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel tonight.
	It was a fun show.
	Lively condo.
	Thank you guys so much for being here and joining me tonight.
	It was fun.
	Thank you to everyone, of course, who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Couldn't do it without you guys.
	We are viewer supported.
	So yeah, we're going to be live again.
	We have a good show Sunday.
	Good panel lined up.
	Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	If you're a girl and you're watching and you want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	07s.
	I feel like I'm forgetting something, but 07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night, and we'll see you guys next time.

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