Whatever Podcast - Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL)

Sept. 15, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Charlie Kirk Debate: Charlie Compared To ADOLF H?! ALL Girls RAGE QUIT?! (FERAL) | Dating Talk #260

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	I'm sure you're all aware watching.
	Charlie Kirk was assassinated a couple days ago.
	I don't have like a speech prepared or anything.
	I did a stream the following day.
	I did a stream on Wednesday.
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	You know, my more elaborate thoughts on everything that went down are in that stream.
	If you're curious to hear that, you can check it out.
	It was just sort of an impromptu, spontaneous stream.
	Andrew joined in for a little period of time.
	Obviously, very upset by it.
	It's a terrible thing.
	And maybe I'll have some more words later, but I don't want to hold up the show too much.
	But can we get some, I don't know, some positive messages in the chat right now.
	If you guys were, you watched Charlie Kirk, you're familiar with him, maybe just leave, as a bit of a tribute to him, if you could leave like a nice message to Charlie, how he, if, you know, maybe he inspired you in some way or he changed your opinion on something or whatever it is.
	So for the viewers, if you want to leave a comment.
	Oh, I forgot.
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	I think the chat's on members only, so I'm going to do that.
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	A little frantic here behind the scenes.
	We also had some no-shows.
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	I'm going to open up the chat.
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	Normally I do that at the very start of the stream.
	All right, guys.
	Chat is opening up right now.
	If you guys want, so now that it's open up, if you guys want to leave a little message in the chat, something nice to say about Charlie.
	Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Javon.
	I'm 20, and I'm a boxer, and I'm from Las Vegas.
	All right.
	And you grew up like always from Vegas or New York area as well.
	Okay, when did you move to Vegas?
	When I was 12, I want to say so.
	Okay.
	Any school?
	College?
	I have my esthetician's license.
	Esthetician.
	What do you focus on, like makeup or skin?
	Skin.
	Most of it, yeah.
	Skin stuff.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Pamela.
	My name is Pamela, and professionally, I'm known as the Violatrix.
	I am 52, maybe 53 next month.
	All right.
	Where are you from?
	Hershey, Pennsylvania, originally, and now Las Vegas.
	Closer to Mexicas?
	Hershey, Pennsylvania.
	Hershey, Pennsylvania.
	And now Las Vegas.
	Where the chocolate was made.
	Do they still make it there?
	A little bit.
	Yeah, actually, they're bringing it back.
	And a lot of people don't know this.
	The Reese's plant is there as well.
	The Reese's family is an offshoot of Hershey.
	It's a little bit more of that.
	Okay.
	And any education, college, anything like that?
	Yes.
	Two colleges.
	Point Park College in Pittsburgh, Broadcast Journalism, and then a bachelor's in English literature from William Patterson University.
	Do you have a bachelor's degree in journalism?
	Not in journalism.
	Broadcast journalism I studied, and then I transferred over to English literature.
	Gotcha.
	And your name is the Violatrix.
	The Violatrix.
	Sorry, did you say your actual name?
	Pamela, could you?
	Pamela.
	Pamela, okay.
	What's the inspiration for violatrix?
	What is that?
	What does that mean?
	A financial dominatrix.
	That's what I do.
	But I also, I'm also an author and I educate women on how to do what I do working from home.
	Single moms.
	Gotcha.
	Struggling.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And going back to you, really quick, you said you're a boxer.
	Yes.
	Have you had an amateur boxer, though?
	You've had some fights, though.
	Amateur fights.
	No fights, yeah.
	I'm prepping for my first one in around three to four months.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good luck on that.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Lola.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I am a nanny and a barista.
	And I'm from Orange County, but I go to school in Santa Barbara.
	I study creative writing.
	Creative writing.
	Okay.
	What do you want to do after you graduate?
	I want to write books, but I also want to pay rent.
	And those two don't really coexist.
	So figuring it out.
	Okay.
	Do you have a specific genre you'd like to write?
	Fiction?
	Not necessarily.
	I don't know.
	I'm still jumping around a lot, but I'm getting into screenwriting.
	I do write a bit of fiction.
	It's predictable.
	Not poetry, though.
	So I do some stereotypes.
	That was going to be my follow-up question.
	I know.
	I know.
	Haikus?
	Nope.
	Is a haiku under the.
	Is that under poetry?
	It is, I think.
	That's under the.
	It's like this, it's close enough.
	Okay.
	No haikus.
	Soliloquies?
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm letting you down.
	Not even one.
	Huh.
	What's the most recent thing you've done or you've written, I guess?
	I'm working on a book right now, or like a collection of vignettes for a school about the dehumanization of the customer service industry.
	Dehumanization of the customer service industry.
	I know I sound pretentious, don't I?
	It sounds like it's not.
	It sounds like very needed.
	Thank you.
	And so is it, are you saying like the workers are being dehumanized?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, I've worked at a coffee shop for, you know, quite a few years on and off.
	And it's like very clear that it is intended to make you seem like this personification of service to people rather than like a human being that they're speaking to.
	Right.
	How long have you, you said a couple years?
	Well, around four non-consecutively, big breaks in between.
	I've heard from a lot of people in the service industry, and they said that, I mean, this is across other industries too, that something happened after the pandemic.
	Like there's this palpable shift in, I don't know, just people lost their mind, went crazy, whatever.
	There's just been an increase in mistreatment of people in the service industry.
	I mean, not to say that it was perfect before, but there's like the shift.
	People on airplanes are losing their mind.
	I don't know why that is.
	I do definitely think that COVID showed a lot of corporations that like face-to-face interaction isn't as necessary as they thought before, or at least they can function without it.
	So, you know, to cut costs, a lot of the like customer service aspects of things are being dialed down, which means, you know, making their workers more focused on service rather than being humans.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Allie.
	I'm 31.
	I'm from Pasadena, California, born and raised.
	I'm a mom.
	I work in insurance and I am an SW.
	Okay.
	How long have you been doing that?
	I started at 18.
	I took a brief break between like 2019 and 2021.
	And then I started back at the end of 2022.
	So I don't know how many years that is exactly, but quite some time.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And when you say you do you're a sex worker.
	Oh, chat.
	SW.
	It's sex work.
	What have you done?
	Full service.
	So just what?
	Escorting?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay.
	Have you done it like so?
	I've sold like content too.
	I don't have like an OF or anything.
	Just kind of pay-per-view, but mostly just in calls.
	Any stripping or anything like that?
	No.
	Okay.
	Any street walking?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Have we had it?
	I don't know if we've had a street walker.
	We've had prop.
	I mean, anyways, whatever.
	Actually, maybe I shouldn't jump the gun.
	Any former, current street walkers?
	Street.
	Anybody?
	Street walk?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Olive.
	I'm 20.
	I am also a barista.
	I also do coffee.
	And I'm also an esthetician.
	What is esthetician?
	It's like where you do like.
	Is it just the skin?
	Or is there other stuff too?
	Yeah, you do like lasers.
	You can do tattoo removals.
	You do waxings.
	Do like the lashes, the eyebrows.
	I see.
	Okay.
	How long have you been doing that?
	Well, I started school with her in about in August, but I've been doing barista a lot longer.
	Five years, six years.
	I can whip up a good coffee.
	And you're from where again?
	Sorry, I'm just Vegas.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Any education, school, anything besides aestheticians?
	I graduated high school.
	Okay.
	Any plans to go to college?
	Anything like that?
	Yes, but you need lots of money for that.
	Okay.
	They don't have like a good city college in Vegas?
	They do, but I've lived on my own since a long time.
	All right.
	And I think we got everything there.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hello.
	I'm Chantel, 24.
	24, 44.
	Sorry.
	Wait, 44.
	44.
	44.
	Okay.
	I live in North Hollywood.
	I went to college at Vanderbilt University, played basketball there.
	And now I am an author speaker and I host a faith-based podcast with my sister.
	All right.
	And education?
	Bachelor's degree or?
	Bachelor's degree, Vanderbilt.
	What's it in?
	Human and Organizational Development.
	Okay.
	And you played professional basketball?
	I played in the WNBA for six years.
	Which team?
	Sacramento, San Antonio, and Atlanta.
	But then the WNBA season is so short that we'll go overseas and play in the offseason.
	So Hungary, France, Russia, Turkey, and Lebanon.
	Okay.
	And from, you said six years?
	Yeah.
	So that was from what year to what year were you in the WNBA?
	So I graduated college in 2003.
	So then I was in the league from 2003 to 2009.
	I retired in 2009.
	Okay.
	And what was your, I'm not super familiar with basketball, but what was your position?
	Like, isn't there people who play more defense?
	Some who play.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, we all play defense, but yes, I was a center.
	So like a post-player.
	I don't know if you're familiar with like the NBA, but like centers like Shaq and Hakeem Elijah and like those are like the old school centers like the Tim Duncan would probably be like what's Jordan?
	Like shooting guard.
	Is he a forward or no?
	He'd be like a guard.
	What's LeBron?
	He's a forward?
	Is that what it's called?
	Forward?
	He's like a LeBron play the LeBron's a forward, but I would say he's more a guard because he's on the perimeter.
	Gotcha.
	But like, I'm a true, what they would call true post player.
	So I was more back to the basket, footwork, all that.
	And how tall are you?
	Six foot six.
	Damn.
	Wait, can you stand down really quick?
	Can you stand down?
	Am I going to be like out of the camera?
	No, we got this.
	But here, we're losing your head here.
	Losing your head there.
	Wait, stay standing for a sec.
	Damn, tall.
	Nice.
	I'm not on camera anymore.
	Now I am.
	Just curious, how tall are your parents?
	So I'm 6'6.
	My dad was 6'5.
	My mom is 5'4.
	So, funny thing, I'm the oldest.
	So I 6'6 took after my dad.
	My middle sister, 6 feet tall, so she's like literally right in the middle.
	And then my youngest sister is 5'5.
	So she took after my mom.
	Any brothers?
	No, no brothers.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, my dad was stuck in a household of all women, and I'm sure he loved it at times, but did not at other times.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Is your dad a really like super masculine guy?
	Like really masculine guy?
	I would say like not like toxically masculine, but he was definitely like a masculine man.
	He raised three daughters, a stepdaughter, and he taught us to, you know, be confident.
	Did he was he a player when he was younger?
	Like he is like a player like basketball player or a player like a lot of women playing?
	Like he got a lot of women in it.
	I think he was definitely a ladies' man, but he was also religious.
	So he had a strong faith.
	And so I think that kind of limited his player characteristics a little bit.
	I have this theory that guys who are players they have disproportionately have daughters.
	I don't agree with that.
	I don't know.
	Chat, you know what I mean?
	Like, yeah.
	Player is their karma.
	Something like that.
	Yeah, I think it's because they, like, you know, they treat women a certain way and then they have daughters and it kind of changes their perspective.
	So maybe God gives them daughters so that they can stop being players.
	There's some sort of, I don't know.
	I'm just going to do a couple quick mic adjustments.
	Can I have you just scoot your mic edge of the table and scoot it that way a bit?
	And then just for you, scoot your mic this way a little bit.
	Make this way.
	You scoot your mic this way.
	Okay.
	Perfect.
	Your introduction, please.
	Okay, Harper.
	All right.
	Age?
	45.
	All right.
	I'm living in Sacramento right now.
	What do you do for work?
	Caretaker.
	All right.
	Education?
	I have some associates degrees and went to Cal Poly but dropped out.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll.
	Yep.
	What are your associates' degrees in?
	History, admin of justice, and two liberal arts degrees.
	Okay.
	I liked community college a lot.
	I noticed you have a frog tattoo right here.
	What does that mean?
	Well.
	Did you lick a frog once?
	No, I did not.
	It's a kind of a broken.
	Don't some people do that to get high or something?
	They lick a isn't that like a well.
	DMT is the poison of the is the poison from the poison dart frog.
	I learned that.
	That's what DMT is.
	So it's really, I wouldn't have any of that.
	It's the actual poison meant to kill you from the poison dart frog.
	Yeah.
	That's lift your hand up so they can see the tattoo.
	Okay.
	So, did you lick a frog or why would I do that?
	That's great.
	Is that something that people do?
	I don't know.
	It was my first legal tattoo.
	It was a cover-up.
	I ran away from home when I was 14.
	A swastika?
	No.
	I don't know.
	Sorry, that was a random and out of left field for some reason.
	I don't know.
	Just the legs of the frog look a little.
	I don't know.
	Sorry, whatever.
	No, I had ran away from home, so I got a legal tattoo when I turned 18.
	Okay.
	And it covered it up.
	Just hold it up again.
	They'll understand why I.
	It's a dancing frog.
	I put him like this.
	I don't know.
	I think he might have.
	Oh, you're so cute.
	I'm not going to do that.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Kiana.
	I am.
	Well, I was a high school teacher when I left Florida.
	I just moved here about three months ago.
	I work on a television series now, and my bachelor's is in marketing.
	Oh, I'm 28.
	Well, I'll be 29 in like two weeks, 10 days.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, everybody, for giving your introductions.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm engaged.
	Engaged.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How long have you been engaged?
	Well, I've been dating him for four and a half years, almost five.
	And we got engaged two years ago.
	All right.
	So you guys started dating in high school?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He's your same age?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Same grade or?
	One below.
	Oh, okay.
	Cougar over here.
	So he's a year younger than you?
	Six months.
	Six months.
	Yeah.
	Just two different grades.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	And I assume that's your longest relationship then.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Only relationship or have you dated other people?
	I don't consider those other ones.
	He's like the only junior high school crush or something.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	All right.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	Married 17 years.
	Married 17 years.
	Sorry.
	Married 17 years.
	Have you been married previously?
	No.
	Somebody else, sir.
	But my current husband is not her father.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Her father passed away.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So married 17 years.
	How long were you dating him?
	So like maybe you were dating him for three years before or no, so about three months before.
	Oh, this is quick.
	So 17 years, yeah.
	Any previous long-term relationships?
	I'm assuming the father?
	Yes, her father.
	How long were you with him?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	And he passed away recently or?
	No, he passed away.
	So my father had him deported when I was pregnant with her.
	Deported?
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Okay, so your dad.
	I know you mentioned something about this in the notes.
	Yeah.
	Your dad had Marcello.
	Is he Italian or?
	Italian soccer player from Utagua, Uruguay, South America.
	Wait, he's Italian, but he's from Uruguay.
	He's an immigrant.
	He was an immigrant here.
	So there's a huge population of Italians in South America.
	So he's his nationality was Uruguayan.
	Correct.
	Okay, but he's family back in the day moved to Uruguay from Italy.
	Correct.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So he was an illegal immigrant.
	Yes.
	Sort of.
	It didn't start out that way.
	It ended up that way.
	How did you meet him?
	I owned rental properties and his cousin had a pizza shop on the corner where one of my rentals was.
	Okay.
	And I walked in there one day and he's like, my cousin want to go out with you.
	And I was like, which one's your cousin?
	And he pointed to, he said, oh, he's not here.
	I said, well, I'm dating an attorney in New York City.
	Here's my number.
	I was trying to get out of it.
	I said, here's my number.
	Call me in exactly a month.
	I'll know which way it's going with this attorney.
	I mean, to the hour he called me, I couldn't understand him.
	He was like grunting into the phone.
	He didn't speak any English.
	How did you communicate?
	He didn't speak English.
	I do, but no, he would weave in and out of Italian and Spanish so fast I couldn't catch anything.
	He spoke like five languages, Marcello.
	But my father, I wanted a baby.
	I was 33 years old.
	I owned three rental properties.
	I was a college admissions director.
	I had no idea that this wouldn't fly with my father, who was very old school Italian.
	So my father found out.
	He tried to make me miscarry with the Italian loafer.
	It's a long story.
	We joke about it now.
	My father tried to make me miscarry when that didn't work.
	He said, if you don't terminate this pregnancy, I'm going to ruin you.
	And I was like, go ahead.
	I didn't think he would do it.
	I'd never done anything wrong in my life.
	And he did it.
	And then he bankrupted me, evicted me from my properties, no car, no nothing, eight months pregnant, and then had her father deported.
	He was an INS holding for three months, and then he was deported.
	And I thought, well, my dad was bad.
	Jeez.
	No, it's all good.
	It all turned out really well.
	Yeah.
	It's okay.
	And can you, there was some link to Donnie Brasco?
	What was the matter?
	Oh, so my father's from, my father's born in 1941 in the Marcy Projects in Brooklyn, which is where Jay-Z sings, but it doesn't exist anymore.
	But my father grew up in Patterson, New Jersey, around all like the wise guys.
	So one of my father's very good friends was Joe Pistone.
	But while Joe played, or while Johnny Depp played Joe in the movie Donnie Brasco, there were plenty that were not on the right side of the law.
	So my father was very connected to these guys.
	And that's how my father ultimately was able to have Marcello deported.
	It was calling in political favors.
	I was told years later, I ran into a police officer who said to me, do you know how difficult it was in post-9-11 society to have her father deported?
	Because they're only spending money deporting people that are coming from basically Muslim countries.
	To get someone deported to Latin America, South America was unheard of.
	Your father had to pull the highest level political favors to make that happen.
	So.
	Wait, so your father, was he, you said, did you say connected?
	Oh, he's connected.
	Like, are you talking politically or are you talking mafia?
	Isn't that the same?
	I mean, aren't those really one and the same?
	Plains were made.
	My father passed away.
	It'll be three years ago at Christmas, so I would never be able to talk about any of this if he hadn't.
	As a matter of fact, as far as the FinDoming, I mean, he would like, if he found out that I was doing that, that would be the end.
	But ironically, it's the reason I had to become a FinDom when he ruined me and bankrupted me, and I was a single mother.
	That is how a nice Catholic girl from Hershey, Pennsylvania, from a good family, becomes a FinDom.
	It was the only way I could get out of welfare, out of this system.
	And it's also why I teach women to do what I do, single moms, women struggling.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	Single?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	I detected a bit of hesitation there.
	Is it complicated?
	You know, I had just forgotten the question.
	Oh, just your relationship status?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's just.
	I'm just, yeah.
	Okay, then.
	She's like, I know.
	I'm single.
	What's your longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Two and a half years.
	All right.
	How long have you been single for?
	Um, oh god, these are really complicated questions.
	Um, technically six months, I guess.
	Okay, so, um, are you currently in this situationship?
	Yes.
	All right, how long have you been in the situationship?
	Oh, goodness.
	Um, coming on uh six months now.
	Uh, wait, hold on.
	Don't do the math.
	So, you've been single for six months in a situationship for six months.
	The person who you broke up with six months ago, is it the same person you're in a situationship with?
	Yes.
	So, you used to be in a relationship with this person?
	Well, no, it's complicated.
	I'm single.
	Explain it to me.
	I'm single.
	When's the last time you hung out with your situationship?
	I don't think they'd love information shared about that.
	Was it today?
	Mind your own business.
	What's going on?
	It's a dating podcast.
	We're talking about dating.
	I willingly come on the dating podcast.
	So, okay, you've seen them recently, it sounds like.
	And the relationship that ended six months ago, how long were you dating that person?
	It was like a month.
	A month?
	Yes.
	Were you in a situationship with them before you dated them for a month?
	No, not really.
	So you met them and then you immediately were in a relationship?
	No, we were friends before.
	With benefits?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	All right, so tell me if this is, blink twice if this is.
	Oh, God.
	If I'm going to present my understanding.
	So, okay.
	You were exclusive with a person for one month.
	And one of you did not want to be exclusive.
	And then you've continued having sex with each other for six months.
	Hey, I didn't make that claim.
	Leading the witness.
	I am overruled.
	This is my lawyer.
	So, okay.
	Are you dating multiple people?
	When I say date, I just mean like going on dates.
	Like hanging out with multiple people who you have an interest in.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have a roster currently?
	A roster.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I suppose.
	Okay.
	Orientation.
	Are you straight, bi?
	Bi.
	Okay.
	I also, I don't think sexuality is real.
	So.
	What do you mean?
	I think that if we were raised without the notions of like straight and gay as concepts, people wouldn't naturally have as strong of preferences as they do.
	I think that people would just be into people as a whole without gender playing a big role.
	Actually.
	Huh.
	That's interesting.
	I kind of think it might be the reverse.
	Really?
	Well, there's this idea that you're not going to like the term I use, but there's this concept of social contagion.
	So actually it might be the case if we didn't teach people about sexuality at all, you would see more people fall into a more the heterosexuality than you might see people fall into pansexuality.
	Sure.
	Bisexuality.
	As much as I understand where you're coming from, I do think that, you know, in order for that to be tested, we would have to strip down everything that teaches people about, you know, the concept of being into one gender over the other.
	And I think that our society is so built fundamentally on that that if we just didn't openly discuss it, then the like, you know, subtone or undertones of growing up are still like, you see straight couples together more than you see gay couples together.
	You hear about straight couples more.
	It's just like it's more normalized, even if we're not explicitly discussing whether or not it is.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I think that I think that people can have natural inclinations towards pansexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, whatever it is, without there being any sort of cultural, even cultural understanding of these things.
	And this is, it's obviously a natural phenomenon.
	But there is, I think, a social component.
	You know, for example, there was this study done, I believe in, I'm trying to think if it was in Lithuania.
	It was one of the, I think one of the Baltic countries or something, where they don't have a term for, what is it?
	They don't have a term for, what's it called when you get into a car accident?
	Whiplash.
	They don't have a term for this in the country.
	And there is a, I think sometimes there's a psychological component.
	If you create something or create a term for something, people will perhaps, I don't know what the exact word for this is.
	Like self-fulfilling prophecy almost.
	Yeah.
	They'll be molded into what you're saying.
	If you create something, they'll be molded into that.
	They'll be like, oh, maybe I am that.
	Like instead of being confused about something, it's like, oh, well, well, for example, if there was absolutely no societal understanding of transgenderism, I would suspect that people would still experience like an uneasiness, but I'm not sure if they would be able to actually attribute it to this, to X thing.
	Sure.
	And so this idea that you're saying if we did away with these labels, you know, you're transgender or you're bisexual or you're asexual or you're heterosexual, you're pansexual, that more people would fall into those categories.
	I'm not actually sure that's the case.
	Well, I do think that it is untestable just because of how fundamental those ideas are to the way that we live.
	But I don't know, because I also, I'm going to make the claim that gender isn't real as well.
	What do you mean gender is not real?
	Well, obviously sex is real.
	Oh, okay.
	So gender is not real.
	No, I think that if we weren't, like, the reason that men feel the need to be more masculine is because they are biologically stronger.
	So they've played more like masculine protective roles in history, right?
	That aren't necessarily like super prominent now because, you know, we're living in like a modern society.
	But yeah, I do think that these ideas that we have of like how men and women are biologically different are almost entirely nurture in the way that we're raised and the way we're taught to be.
	I think the only biological difference I can really think of is like, you know, physicality and like strength and stuff like that.
	You don't think there's any innate differences absent physiology?
	Well, I can't say that 100%.
	We don't really know.
	I personally don't really believe so, but, you know, I have no way of being sure.
	So you don't believe that there's sort of generalized inclinations?
	Like I would agree, for example, there are some women who are more masculine or, you know, whatever would fall under the label of masculinity than there are some men.
	Like there's feminine men.
	Yeah.
	But generally speaking, I think it's fair to say that men tend to lean towards masculinity.
	Women tend to lean towards femininity, regardless of nurture.
	Sure, but I think that nurture is like the nurture I'm talking about is within everyone.
	It's just the way that we're raised, what we see when we're walking down the street, the way that we see people who look and speak like us act, you know.
	Like growing up, I watched the women in my life act much in much more feminine ways.
	I watched the men in my life be much more masculine.
	So I think even if it wasn't like a conscious, I was being told that you have to be ladylike or feminine, I was still observing that and the people I associated with were acting in those ways.
	What if I told you that there were studies before with very young children, very young, before they can even conceptualize the, and, you know, maybe you'll make the argument that while even under one year old, there's already nurture influence taking place that creates this difference between male and female.
	But these studies, before even I, before an age where you can conceptualize these sorts of things, and really there can be much influence based on nurture, that there, you will see differences between boys and girls in terms of their interest in like toys, for example.
	And they'll naturally gravitate towards certain things or certain types of play, even at a very young age.
	So I think that this would counter your idea that things are strictly nurture.
	I think that there are a lot of difficulties with a study like that.
	I mean, unless the children were raised, like obviously we don't know if in the first year.
	I mean, we can assume that they are already picking up on things.
	Children have to learn to smile.
	They have to learn to laugh, you know, like things that we assume to be innate really aren't.
	They're just observing more than we assume.
	But yeah, I think that for a study like that to really be accurate, they would have to be like raised in captivity, essentially.
	So you're saying essentially then, using your logic, all studies, regardless of the age of the participants, they must be held in captivity, away from influence from the world?
	Well, not necessarily.
	So should we, well, I mean, that would be the extension of your logic.
	We should just throw away all studies then because these individuals, I mean, it would even apply more to like sociological psychological studies conducted on adults.
	They've had 18 years of programming, whereas, you know, babies who are under one year have had very, at least, well, less programming, let's say.
	Sure, but I think the difference between those two is this study specifically is trying to study nature.
	We're trying to discuss how people innately are.
	If we're doing studies on adults, we're always operating under the assumption that their nurture has played a part, right?
	So you don't necessarily need those factors exempt because it's acknowledged that it's going to play into the results.
	If we acknowledge that the nurture of those children play into the results, then it negates the idea that it's their nurture making them gravitate to those toys.
	Yeah, I'm not sure I really, I'm going to really agree there.
	Again, when you're conducting these sorts of experiments with very young children, I don't think that there's, at least my position would be, while there might be some degree of nurture that has occurred, I don't think it's sufficient enough to override the sort of innate biological influence that is going to be as a result of somebody's sex.
	Sure.
	So, for example, I mean, there's other studies too where generally speaking, men have a greater tendency Towards ideas or towards things, and women have a greater tendency towards people.
	So, this could this would manifest itself in professions.
	Women have a greater have a greater push towards professions that involve people, whereas men have a greater push towards professions that involve things or ideas.
	So, like, that's why you see more men in engineering, for example, and that's why you see more women in healthcare, or you see more women in jobs like social work or jobs like teaching, for example.
	Sure, and I think that that can be boiled down to it's rooted from sex, not gender.
	The reason that men are more inclined to jobs like that is because they are physically stronger.
	They're built for like jobs that they can use their like, they don't have to be personable for.
	They don't have, well, my, sorry, what I'm getting at here.
	When it comes to women, obviously, throughout, or I mean, I can't confidently say it, I just women haven't been put in workplaces for a very long time.
	Women have always been involved in the world.
	Women have never been viewed as capable in the way that men have been.
	Women have had this idea that they, you know, belong in the house, they belong to uplift men rather than be their own person.
	And that's only very recently being deconstructed.
	Well, hold on.
	There's a couple, there's a whole bunch there that you've smuggled in that I would have to address.
	This is real life.
	Like, whoa.
	There's a whole bunch of bunch smuggled in there.
	So, I would dispute this idea that women weren't deemed as capable.
	Also, really quick, just to rewind here, when I'm talking about engineering, engineering, I mean, you're talking about physical labor.
	When I'm talking about engineering, I'm talking about that, that's purely mental for the most part.
	I misunderstood you there.
	So, there's no prohibition or limit on women entering engineering, at least today, due to any sort of physical strength differential between men and women.
	Engineering is purely a mental endeavor.
	Well, in terms of the thought process of engineering, actually seeing it through, you know, you need construction workers or, you know, whatever it is to actually have the physical capacity and strength to be able to do that.
	But moving off of that, though, hold on.
	You said that women have been basically relegated to the household for the benefit of men.
	I would disagree with your assessment there.
	I think for the benefit, I would like to perhaps rephrase your statement to the benefit of the family and to society, not to the benefit solely of men.
	And then also, I would just say that we would also have to apply this to men too.
	Men have been relegated to danger for most of human history and viewed as disposable.
	They've been relegated to back-breaking physical work, to being essentially wallets, and relegated to being put through the meat grinder of war.
	If we do a comparison between this expectation then on men and compare to women, I don't know if women got that much of a, you know, I don't think they got a really unfair shake historically in modern day that they get to be provided for and they get to enjoy the comfort of the household while men go out into the world and either fight or work.
	And oftentimes, and you know, we see this also, men die much earlier.
	There's a whole bunch of reasons for this.
	Men typically die five years sooner than women.
	Why would this be?
	It seems like actually women have a lot of privileged positions.
	I would say women tend to live healthier lives.
	Women live longer.
	This would probably indicate women have some degree of privilege over men.
	Well, I'm not claiming that the system benefits men.
	I don't think this is good for anyone.
	I do think.
	What system are you referring to?
	Well, you know, the concept of like the nuclear family, like the women in the household men out at work.
	I don't think that this is good for men either.
	I think that it's negative for women because, you know, they are definitely viewed down upon.
	They're not given their own independence, or at least haven't been.
	And, you know, definitely are expected to just kind of dole their own aspirations for the sake of the family.
	However, I don't think that it's good for men either.
	I think a lot of men aren't capable of expressing emotion because they are expected to be strong.
	I think that they are pushed into positions that they don't always want to be in.
	I think that it also doles their own self-expression, you know, the way that it does for women.
	I think that my argument primarily is that these roles are purely negative and hurt everyone involved.
	The roles are negative.
	Yes.
	Okay, so the roles that we're referencing is you're talking like a more traditional gender dynamics as it relates to relationships.
	As it relates to relationships and also the workplace.
	The workplace.
	Okay.
	So first off, I would also say that the nuclear family can still exist, and there could be a scenario where the woman has also freedom and does work also.
	But do you have specific issues with the nuclear family?
	Not necessarily.
	Like assuming, let's say the dynamic is both people are able to pursue their career aspirations and the man and the woman is working, but they're married and have children.
	Do you object to that dynamic?
	No, not necessarily.
	That term wasn't exactly what I was looking for.
	Okay, so you don't have issues strictly with the nuclear family?
	No.
	Okay.
	Let's come back to this because I want to let everybody, you know, give their relationship status and stuff.
	But I will make a note.
	We'll talk about what were all the things we were talking about.
	We hit on.
	I just had a question.
	You said gender doesn't exist, I guess.
	So when you say gender doesn't exist, you don't believe in gender identity then?
	I think that it is definitely possible to be inclined to a certain gender identity, but I think that it is primarily, like obviously rooted in who you are fundamentally.
	But I do think that the way that we are taught about gender and the way we view it as a society plays a huge role on how we view it independently.
	But so if you reject gender, do you only acknowledge sex?
	No.
	I don't think that something has to be real for it to bring people comfort.
	I think that like I personally identify as a woman because I grew up viewing myself in a feminine way.
	I align with femininity in that kind of sense.
	Do I think that that's like really that based in reality?
	Do I think that that's like fundamental to who I am?
	No, but it brings me comfort.
	But when you say, so you reject gender, is that correct?
	So, but when you say the word woman, you say you're a woman.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So when you say woman, are you alluding to sex?
	No, I don't think it's a real concept.
	I think that to say...
	Well, you said gender is not a real concept.
	Yes.
	But you said sex is a real concept.
	Yeah, woman is referenced to gender.
	I would say females in relation to sex.
	Here's my confusion: is you reject gender, but now you're saying that woman relates to gender.
	Yes, exactly.
	But you reject gender.
	I do.
	So you're using woman to relate to sex then?
	No, I'm using it to relate to gender.
	But you reject gender.
	I do.
	So how does that reconcile that for me?
	Okay, bear with me on this.
	We're going to, it's going to take a little bit.
	I think that woman as a concept, it's not a super real thing.
	It is just this term that we associate with femininity because we associate women with the female sex, right?
	I don't think that being a woman is a real thing.
	Being a female is a real thing.
	Are you shaking your head?
	Do you agree with this?
	Yeah.
	What?
	Oh, I love this take because I just sound crazy.
	I was trying to ask you.
	You went to school.
	Do you have an education?
	Oh, is that hard to believe?
	No, no, it's not hard to believe.
	I'm just asking.
	Do you have an education in your degrees in what?
	Writing and literature.
	Okay.
	Did you take any gender studies and things like that at the school?
	Okay.
	I'm a big fan of those classes.
	I can tell.
	I can't wait for you to weigh in on this.
	Please.
	Forgive me.
	But you're taking writing classes?
	Primarily.
	Okay, so what's your degree going to be in?
	Writing and literature.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	When I say that I'm a woman, I don't think that that term actually holds real weight.
	I think that it's just this idea we have.
	I think societal constructs can be real to us, even if they're not actually based in anything.
	Here, we're going to blast through the, we're coming back to this.
	Let's just finish our relationship.
	No, you're fine.
	You're totally fine.
	Let's finish relationship status.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, that was a little bit aggravating.
	There's a man and a woman, period.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	Relationship status?
	I'm single.
	Single?
	How long?
	Oh, shit.
	Since 2021.
	Four years.
	Longest relationship?
	Like six and a half years.
	Were you previously married?
	No.
	You have one kid?
	Yes.
	Only one kid?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The kid is from your six and a half year relationship or somebody else?
	No.
	Oh, thank God no.
	Elder kid?
	How'd your kid?
	From my most recent relationship.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Currently, I'm single.
	It's kind of like her situationship.
	Situationship?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long have you been single for?
	Two months.
	Two months.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Is that the one that ended two months ago?
	No.
	Okay.
	Two-year relationship?
	Who broke up with who?
	It was actually a very complicated situation.
	I made her break up.
	Basically, it was broken.
	You deported him?
	Didn't have to.
	Not even that one.
	It was my first relationship, like my first high school, like, you know, like love relationship.
	It just ended up, we both weren't ready.
	We both weren't at this same mental capacity.
	And it just ended up getting a little bit handsy where, like.
	You beat him?
	No.
	Well, God, no, no, no.
	It was more of like he had mental struggles.
	He wanted to hurt himself and I stopped him from hurting himself.
	So it kind of affected me.
	I ended up having to go to the hospital for it.
	So that kind of both stumped our families and kind of put us in like, oh, you guys aren't made for each other.
	So I stayed single for about two and a half years.
	And then I met my most recent ex and that was the six-month relationship.
	And he was a complete jerk off.
	He was like abusive also.
	Gotcha.
	And you said that you're currently in a situation.
	Yeah.
	Can you explain that?
	It was kind of like I just met him through friends of friends.
	It's not anything because I have faith.
	I believe in God.
	And my first two relationships, I didn't have really God in my relationship.
	And I feel like now I really want him to be in my relationship and to kind of help guide me because he's guided me a lot recently within my life.
	So my new situationship, it's like we're taking it very easy, almost like high school.
	Like holding hands, kissing.
	That's about it.
	Hugging.
	In your previous people you've dated, that hasn't been the case.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that hasn't been the case.
	So you're Christian?
	Yes, I just, yeah, kind of.
	Do you have a denomination?
	Well, I was Mormon for my first 14 years of my life.
	So that kind of made me go away from God just because of the Mormon religion and how strict in everything they believe in.
	I don't quite believe in what they believe in.
	So I kind of just stepped back from it.
	I started becoming an atheist just because of everything that happened in my life.
	I was like, why would God let this happen?
	Why would he do this?
	But it took me many years to kind of understand why he did this.
	And it's all for a lesson.
	It all helped me grow to who I am right now and currently.
	I notice you have a hickey on your neck.
	Yeah, yeah, about that.
	Is that part of your taking it slow thing?
	Yes, it actually was.
	Actually, it was not, it was more of a, I told him I was going on a podcast, and he was like, oh, really?
	And he gave you the hickey.
	Yeah, that market is doing something.
	He's like, shit.
	You can't let all these.
	All right, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Although, I mean, look, that's actually, I haven't had a hickey since I was like 17.
	So, and things were moving slow at 17.
	So I guess that.
	I guess that kind of makes sense.
	I guess when you're taking it slow, that's the best you get.
	You know, you neck.
	I think, I don't know about the chat, but you get, I feel like you have one hickey and you're like, okay, I don't need another hickey.
	Yeah.
	Like, don't do that, please.
	But okay.
	That was my first hickey.
	This is your first hickey?
	No, I swear by that.
	Stop the cap.
	I'm so sorry.
	The sound of the lyrics!
	Wow, that was crazy.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Okay, cool.
	So you just met this guy.
	You've hung out a couple times.
	What, two weeks, you said?
	Yeah, we've been together for like the past two weeks.
	Sorry.
	We met each other.
	Is he Christian too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Wait, hold on.
	But you said you've been single for two months, you said, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Relationships?
	I am single.
	All right.
	How long?
	And have been single for, well, I've been single and abstinent for 12 years.
	Wait, single and abstinent for 12 years.
	12 years.
	I did have a boyfriend about a year ago, but that was four months, a four-month relationship.
	But it was like, we didn't even kiss.
	Was he taller than you?
	He was 6'4.
	So almost, but no.
	Was he a black guy, white guy?
	No, he was a white guy.
	White guy.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So single, celibate for 12 years.
	Well, abstinent because celibate means that I never want to have sex again.
	And abstinent means I'm not having sex basically until marriage.
	Wait, like celibate, like priests are celibate because they don't plan on, well, supposedly.
	Yeah, but like celibacy means like I've taken a vow of celibacy, which means I'm not having sex again.
	Until marriage?
	No, like period.
	Oh, you're celibate.
	No, Me, like, celibacy means I've taken a vow of celibacy.
	I'm not having sex, period.
	Abstinent, which is what I am, means that I am abstaining for a certain amount of time for me personally until marriage.
	Until you're married.
	Yeah.
	I see.
	Were you previously married?
	No.
	I've never been married.
	Never been married.
	Any kids?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you said you've been abstinent for 12 years.
	12 years.
	Well, it's been longer than 12 years, but I have been a Christian for on Wednesday.
	It will be 12 years.
	12 years ago.
	So Wednesday is my like 12th spiritual birthday.
	So I always say, like, listen, you may have whatever you need on me before, you know, September 17, 2013.
	But this is that day.
	You haven't had sex since Barack Obama was president.
	I mean, when you feel like that since 12 years.
	Since before 7 since before September 17th, 2013, yes.
	The last time you had sex was September 7th, 2013.
	I don't remember when the last time I had sex was.
	That's when you became a.
	But when I became, when I repented and was baptized was September 17th, 2013.
	I see.
	So before that time, whenever my last time was, it was before that time.
	Since that date, I know I have not had sex or even kissed a guy, honestly.
	Okay.
	Oh, we have a message coming through here.
	Marginer, $2,528 donated $200.
	Hey, but when women get into those workplace, men still have to help them so they don't slow the production down.
	Oh, wow.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Do you mind if I do?
	Go ahead.
	So when I said that women are viewed as less capable, that's a great example.
	Women don't need help to do jobs that men can do.
	There's no difference between our capabilities.
	Cap, that's a lie.
	That is not true.
	I'm a six-foot-six woman, former professional athlete, and there are, like, I am still weaker physically than a lot of men I know.
	Even though I may be bigger physically than certain men, I'm still weaker.
	And so if we are going to line up and have to do the same job physically, then I'm not going to be able to do the same thing that he can do capacity-wise, just from a strength position.
	So if we're put in that position, I will need more help, whether it is from a person or a machine or to lessen the load or to go slower or whatever.
	So like that's not even true.
	Sure, in that sense, if for physically, yeah, I have acknowledged that men are physically stronger.
	That's undeniable.
	I think that's what he was talking about.
	Sure, but I mean, the workplace is a general term.
	That is just the idea that women can't do work the same way as men.
	Not all jobs require physical labor.
	There are plenty of jobs where people have other kinds of genetic advantages not based on sex that we never talk about because people don't care unless it's used to put the other gender down.
	Well, I think he said like those workplaces.
	So he was specifically talking about like you have to help slow the pace down.
	If we're talking specifically in those workplaces, women might need extra help.
	I can understand that.
	Sorry, I know that was.
	Oh, no, you guys are good.
	I was just reading some bullshit.
	Okay.
	I'll address the bullshit in just a moment.
	Let's finish the relationship status.
	Or wait, so hold on, really quick.
	Finishing up with you.
	So, but you weren't always abstinent.
	No.
	Okay.
	No, definitely not.
	All right.
	You have had a relationship before, I'm assuming.
	Yeah, my longest relationship before that was on and off, probably about three years.
	Three years.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	How long have you been single?
	18 months.
	All right.
	March 11th, 2024.
	Finally.
	Longest relationship?
	Seven years.
	All right.
	Ever married?
	Yes.
	Just once?
	No, twice.
	Twice?
	Okay.
	Any kids?
	Yes, two.
	Two kids from the same father?
	Okay, so two kids, separate fathers.
	The two marriages, let's do a bit of a timeline here.
	How old were you when you first got married?
	18.
	Okay, how long were you married for?
	Till I was 19.
	So about a year.
	You were married?
	Okay, did you have a kid with him?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay, one kid.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	Well, he did because I left.
	Well, okay.
	But you wanted to break up the relationship.
	Is that correct?
	Well, I left under weird circumstances.
	I didn't mean for things to happen when you're a young child and I was raising a baby and didn't know.
	You know, other substances came into my life and I left with the substances.
	You know, and so I didn't substances, yes.
	Like drugs.
	Drugs?
	Oh, okay.
	Meth?
	What were you doing?
	No, thanks.
	I think it was cocaine came around.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So that happened.
	And so I left and relinquished him.
	And though I have to say, I got clean when he was three.
	So I've been clean for most of his life.
	Gotcha.
	Good for you.
	Congratulations on that.
	Thank you.
	You were married a second time?
	At what age were you married?
	24.
	That was short-lived as well.
	How long?
	Not even a year.
	Okay.
	Do you have a kid from him too?
	No.
	The kid is from a different relationship.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And did you end that marriage?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You initiated the divorce?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What was the reason?
	He was too old for me at the time.
	How old were you, and how old was he?
	24.
	And he was in his 50s.
	At the time, I couldn't and didn't want to deal with an older man.
	So.
	Did he lie about his age or something?
	No, I just didn't and then realized, I was like, oh, I don't want to do this anymore.
	I was going to college with really hot guys all around me, my age.
	Oh, my God.
	And was like, I'm married to this old man?
	Oh, no, I can't do this.
	This is the wrong idea.
	Sorry, my bad.
	And I left.
	So you divorced him because of his age, which you were aware of for the entire duration of the relationship?
	Sounds crap about right.
	Your reactions are everything.
	Just like, wait.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Do you ever realize you made a mistake?
	I've done it.
	Jeez, let me change my mind.
	I don't know if that ever happens to Brian.
	Look, oh, sure.
	I've made mistakes or, but.
	I didn't realize that marriage is a very serious thing.
	I did not understand that.
	I had no idea.
	I go about life like this.
	This is your second marriage, though.
	Do what?
	It was your second marriage.
	Yeah, it doesn't mean anything.
	It doesn't mean I learned anything in that short amount of time.
	They were very close together.
	I guess that's true.
	Yeah.
	Did he pay you alimony?
	No.
	Okay.
	And every woman for years always asked me, why?
	Why didn't you get him for everything?
	Well, you guys were together for a very short period of time, even if there wasn't.
	It doesn't matter.
	I had nothing.
	Well, but typically, it's very jurisdictional dependent.
	It depends on what state you're in.
	Obviously, there's different laws depending on what state.
	It was in Texas.
	Typically, alimony will be awarded proportionate to how long the marriage was.
	So, for example, if you're married for three months, the judge typically is not going to award a woman 10 years of alimony.
	Yes, but if I came in with nothing and he bought me a house and a car and a this and a that and I said, you know, I'm sorry, my bad.
	Here, just keep everything.
	No, I could have fought for some stuff.
	Whether it was we were married for less than a year, I could have fought for things, not money, not alimony for the rest of my life.
	I'm not confused about that.
	But did he buy you a house?
	Mm-hmm.
	So that house was in your name or?
	Yes.
	Okay, I mean, then it's possible you could have had some legal claim to it, but from what you're saying, it sounds like you didn't actually pursue I did nothing.
	That's right.
	Okay, well, I mean, my name was on the deed and everything.
	Okay, well, I mean, that's honorable, I guess, you know, off the hook.
	Okay.
	You said he bought you a car too.
	Did you keep the car?
	Yeah, because I came into the car with a really piece of shit car, so I got a nicer car and I got to keep that.
	Yeah.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, I mean, you got some benefits, it sounds like.
	All right.
	And what about the you're single now?
	You have two kids.
	Were you paid child support by either of the two fathers?
	Yes, I was paid child support by the second dad.
	Not the first, though?
	No.
	Okay.
	The second, is he still paying child support?
	No.
	Okay, so your kid is over 18?
	No, I lost her to his custody at the pandemic.
	Oh.
	Yeah, some.
	What about your other child?
	Well, your other child's supposed to be.
	He's grown.
	He's grown.
	He's an adult.
	Okay, but you're how old is your youngest?
	She's a teenager.
	She's almost 18.
	Almost 18.
	Are you paying him child support?
	No.
	He has full custody?
	You previously had full custody?
	Yes.
	I make arrangements.
	We make arrangements.
	Hey, this isn't.
	Things happened.
	But was you said, were you fighting over the custody arrangement in court?
	No.
	We didn't.
	It was a voluntary exchange of custody.
	Yes.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Due to the pandemic and my living situation changed.
	And I could no longer keep her with me and I had no choice.
	And he also called my bluff when he said, oh, I'll just come get her and, you know, whatever, whatever.
	So I said, sure, you can take her to do all this stuff.
	Doctors, this, that, and the other.
	And he called my bluff and picked her up.
	I was pretty pissed off.
	Pretty pissed off.
	Okay.
	Relationship status?
	I'm single.
	How long have you been single?
	Probably since.
	Oh, no, since like June of 2020.
	So about five years then.
	Longest relationship?
	Probably two years, but it was a high school relationship.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And are you also abstinent?
	Yes, I have been since 2018.
	Because you're a Christian, right?
	And okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	That's everybody's relationship status.
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	I don't believe she was in the WNBA.
	She's nice, and I haven't seen, and I hasn't hit anyone.
	Probably she hasn't hit anyone.
	She hasn't hit anyone yet.
	It's been a fair amount of time.
	Cute.
	Okay.
	Are people in the WNBA like violent or something?
	I don't, I mean.
	I mean, that's definitely a stereotype, but no.
	Like, what?
	I mean, on the court, the court can get physical outsourced, but we're not on the court.
	We're having a nice, civilized conversation here.
	We have food for thought.
	Men are taught to control their emotions, not suppress them.
	Big difference, women and men need to sacrifice their ambitions for family, children first.
	Men know this.
	Women see it as oppression.
	Do you want to respond to this?
	Sure.
	I mean, I think that if you want to have children, if you want to have a family, there's always going to be sacrifices you need to make.
	And I think that that is different for every individual family.
	A lot of families will work better with the man in the home and the woman out at work.
	I'm not saying that no one should make a sacrifice.
	I'm just saying that these like rigid expectations aren't beneficial for anyone.
	For anyone?
	For anyone.
	Possibly, I mean, I think that you could make the argument that it's good for the children, but I do think that that leads to children growing up in households where their parents aren't happy.
	It leads to divorce.
	If their parents feel like forced into situations, it leads to resentment.
	Isn't everybody to some degree forced to do certain things?
	Sure.
	Like, for example, even removing ourselves from a conversation about relationships, if you want to even maneuver or survive in the world, would you say, because you're using this word forced, right?
	So nobody's really forced to do anything.
	People often voluntarily will engage in these sorts of relationship dynamics.
	But you are, would you say people are forced to work in order to provide for themselves?
	I mean, I guess the word forced, you know, here is, it's a weird definition.
	If we're talking for survival, like we could say forced.
	I don't think the wording matters that much.
	We all have a good idea of what's at stake if you're not working, you know.
	And I don't think that anyone is necessarily like being held at gunpoint and saying you have to follow gender rules.
	But I do definitely think that there are expectations on it.
	There are pressures on it.
	There's just a lot that tries to push people into those positions.
	So I guess when we're talking about forced is interesting to me because we're well beyond the age of arranged marriages and women can work.
	Women have choice, right?
	Although you have taken away the choice, or it's not so much the choice, but the ability for women who don't want to work and who do want a traditional dynamic.
	You've stripped that away from most women who do want that.
	Have I?
	Well, not you specifically.
	Have we?
	Society has, yes.
	You don't think that a woman who wants a traditional type of dynamic in her relationship and in her family, you think that she's incapable of finding a man who also wants that?
	Well, I think the issue is: is when there's changes, just massive upheaval and changes to society that make it impossible, for example, to raise a family on one income.
	That while there are men who are still high earners and who are still traditional, who are fine, fully taking care of a woman, it cuts out a large proportion of men who would like to have that dynamic,
	but simply due to the economic reality that it's just most people, even if you have traditional inclinations, you're not going to be able to facilitate that sort of dynamic because most people aren't going to be able to enter that high-income earning bracket because, well, there's a whole bunch of reasons.
	Economics are incredibly complex, but I would put it really simply as follows.
	So, and just to be clear, women were participating in the workforce for all of human history, and women weren't barred from working.
	Women could work.
	This is like a feminist myth and invention.
	But when we put out propaganda that says, oh, bad to be stay-at-home mom.
	You are oppressed if you are staying at home, looking after the family, taking care of the kids.
	You're oppressed.
	You should aim to have career and financial and success ambition as a woman and put children and family on the back burner.
	That should be second, third, fourth, fifth priority for you as a woman.
	If you essentially, not quite overnight, but in a very, very quick period of time, you double the labor pool.
	Corporations love this.
	Corporate rich people love this.
	You drive down the, well, first off, you have a surplus of labor and then you drive down wages.
	Now, again, I just want to be clear.
	I think women should obviously have the choice to work.
	If you're a woman and you want to work, whatever it is, you should absolutely have that choice.
	But corresponding with that, I think we can't ignore the fact that when you have massive societal change and you essentially double the labor pool, that's going to drive wages down.
	Like if we just doubled the, like, I don't know, if we just had, I don't know, we, we, let's say we cloned everybody.
	Like, would there be enough corresponding jobs to give everybody a job?
	Wages would be driven down.
	Now, the economic reality is it takes two incomes to support a family.
	Sure.
	So now women who might have otherwise been inclined towards wanting to be stay-at-home, you've taken the choice away from them a little bit.
	Now women who don't want to work are forced to work, whereas they could have engaged in a more traditional dynamic, but the pool of men, like historically, there was a much larger percentage or pool of men who could support a family on just their income.
	Now that, I don't know what the percentage is.
	Maybe it used to be 50, 60% of men could do it.
	Maybe more, 70%, 80%.
	Maybe 5% of men, 10% of men can provide for a family.
	So you have taken away a cohort of women's choice and ability to enter that sort of relationship dynamic.
	And I also think like socially, it is looked at as a weaker choice or a less ambitious choice.
	And I'm extremely an ambitious woman, but If you just look at the narrative that is spread, you are a quote-unquote less ambitious woman if that is your ambition.
	And I know because I used to feel like that.
	I don't necessarily anymore.
	That hasn't been my choice, but I do see the narrative.
	I do have a couple things to say on both of that.
	I think on your point, I completely understand where you're coming from.
	I do think that this idea that women are pushing against stay-at-home moms, sure, there is obviously, there's always going to be extremists, right?
	I don't think that's the primary argument.
	I can tell you right now, that's not my argument.
	I do think that the pushback on this idea that women have to stay at home, it has like it is capable of going a little too far where then it gets looked down upon.
	But I think that for me, I can speak for myself.
	I can speak for the majority of people I know, the majority of opinions I've heard.
	No one that, or at least for me, I don't at all think that being a stay-at-home mom is a less, in any way, like impressive ambition.
	I think that that is just as admirable as anything else.
	I think the only thing that I would constitute as admirable here is doing what you want to do, regardless of what that is.
	It doesn't really matter.
	But on that note, I also do think that if we're saying, like, I don't think that the reason men can't support their families is because women are now working.
	I'm sure that the labor pool growing, it plays a role, but so many things play a role.
	And I don't think that it is fair to say, oh, if you start working, then other women might have to start working too.
	Therefore, we shouldn't encourage you to work.
	I think people should be following their ambitions.
	If it leads to things like what we are seeing now, where families can't support themselves, that is representative of a much larger problem.
	And the solution is not to tell people not to work and not to follow their ambitions.
	But I also would like to ask: if, in your opinion, women have not been barred from working in the past, why would the labor pool be doubling if they were completely free to work before?
	What do you mean?
	Well, I mean, women obviously haven't been in the workplace historically.
	You would think there's a total bar on women participating in the workplace.
	Like, this idea that no women were able to work, there's no really any laws preventing women from working.
	Women didn't have access to education until very recently.
	Defined recently.
	You know, I can't give you an exact year, but I would, I believe, somewhere in the 1900s.
	I want to say like mid to late 1900s.
	Yeah.
	Most people historically never went to college.
	Yeah.
	I think that like classism is a huge issue, the fact that poor people don't have access, right?
	I'm not saying that that's like not another factor, but I sorry, yes.
	Well, I mean, I just point out that my position as it relates to the doubling of the work pool, obviously the economy, these sorts of things, incredibly complex things.
	I'm not pointing to women's greater representation in labor as or in the workplace as the sole reason why there's issues with wage stagnation and pushing wages down.
	I mean, I would say that's one of the major precipitating factors, though.
	But obviously, there's other, there's a bunch of other things at play.
	Various social changes, there's globalization, these sorts of things.
	There's immigration.
	There's a whole bunch of reasons as it relates to the sort of current economic situation we find ourselves in.
	But that's certainly one of the, I guess, primary originators of the decline of, I suppose, men's ability to engage in traditional relationship dynamics where they can provide for the entire household on just their income.
	So just wanted to clarify there.
	I'm not placing all the blame on sort of the liberalization of women entering the workplace.
	But I mean, that is a sort of unexpected consequence of, you know. opening the floodgates, so to speak, to just basically doubling the labor pool by saying, okay, women, go ahead, be a boss babe.
	Yeah, and I can completely understand that.
	But I do definitely think that saying the solution is to not encourage women to work.
	That's the equivalent of saying we should tell men not to work.
	Well, again, I don't have an issue with it, but there's been a sort of a reversal where there's counter narratives and counter messaging against women who do want to pursue a more traditional dynamic.
	So it's like, no, you have to go to college and you have to have a career.
	Wait until your 30s.
	Wait until your mid-30s, your late 20s before you get married and settle down.
	This is kind of, is going to be pretty disastrous, I think.
	And I don't think it's a great way to set up society.
	Yeah, we can acknowledge that there are extremists all around.
	I don't think it's, but hold on.
	I don't think it's the extremist, like feminist position that women should, like, it's the mainstream feminist position of go to college, focus on your career, then focus on family and children later.
	And then also ship your kids off to daycare, put them in the hands of total strangers who might abuse your kids or is not going to give them the same attention that a, you know, a mother would, and, you know, give it to some minimum wage worker.
	They make $20 an hour or whatever it is.
	And that's the whole childcare thing does make sense to me.
	Okay, so let's say you're, both of you have an income.
	Fucking childcare is insanely expensive.
	Maybe the all of the, this isn't the case all the time, but you're going to have a woman work and then 75% of her earnings are going to go to childcare.
	That's, to me, that's just really stupid.
	Sure.
	But I mean, again, I do think that the reason that's the mainstream position is because like radical opinions get pushed out.
	That's like what social media does.
	You know, people react, people engage with it.
	That's a radical position.
	That women have to go to work, that women can't stay at home, you know?
	Like, I do definitely think that there is a positive side to the encouragement purely because it is kind of ingrained in us that women shouldn't be going to work.
	So when you like do push for the other end of that, obviously not to an extreme point, because again, I think it's very important everyone is doing what's true to them.
	But I do think that it is necessary to really make an emphasis on the fact that you should do whatever you'd like.
	The other option is still an option, you know?
	And I think that's different than encouraging one way or another rather than to just emphasize choice.
	But I would like to comment on the childcare thing because I am a nanny.
	And I mean, the family I work for, I can't say much, they are wonderful parents.
	The fact that they need someone to watch their children, I mean, they know me very well.
	They screen me very well.
	I treat those children like they're my own, you know?
	And I think that it is heartbreaking that they can't spend that time with their kids.
	I know that they would love to.
	So is the wealthy family?
	I'm honestly not too sure on their finances.
	Well, you said nanny, right?
	So obviously there's different levels of childcare, right?
	So I assume like it's just you, you go to their house, you take care of the kids.
	So the mom's away at work?
	There are two nannies.
	We switch off days.
	So we'll pick them up from school, take them to their activities, hang out with them at home.
	But like, is the mom still at home?
	No.
	Okay, so she goes off to work.
	Yes.
	The dad goes off to work.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So that's sort of a bit of a higher level of child care than, say, what most people might do is like drop them off at a daycare or a group dynamic.
	And I, I mean, I do believe that it's heartbreaking that people have to do that.
	I think that it is quite rare that, you know, they don't need the income and people are just independently choosing to not be with their children.
	I think that it's just as sad that the man can't spend that time at home.
	I think that both parents should, like, if the world were perfect, right?
	Both parents want to spend all that time with their kids raising them.
	But if both parents have to be at work for their own independent reasons, then that's a result of a much bigger problem.
	Sorry, guys.
	Stuff.
	No worries.
	Sorry, I was honestly not listening.
	No worries.
	I mean, the insane stuff.
	The summary of it.
	Just repeat.
	Yeah, of course.
	I just generally believe that it's very rare that a parent willingly doesn't want to spend that time with their kids.
	I think that if you have children, they should always be your first priority above your career, no matter who you are, because that's a life in your hands.
	And I think that there are a lot of circumstances where both parents have to be out and have to send their kids to daycare because they don't have other choices.
	Right.
	They don't have other choices, choices they might have if the current social climate was more conducive to being able to support a family on one income, in this case, the husband's income.
	But I mean, sure, but most women are absolutely not okay with that kind of dynamic.
	So I guess my question to you is: ultimately, though, regardless of the level of care, whether it's like you send your kid to some shoddy daycare and there's like five kids to one person.
	I don't know what the typical numbers are, but there's like one person who's like a fucking teenager watching 10 kids or whatever it is, or there's nannies, which would indicate that this is perhaps like a bit wealthier of a family, but both parents are still working.
	Ultimately, though, do you think the child is going to receive better care from their mother or from the hired hand?
	From one of their parents, their father or their mother.
	Okay, so ideally both.
	But that would be the optimum thing for society, wouldn't it?
	To have a parent at home.
	Instead of like a nanny?
	My concern isn't with the well-being of society.
	We don't currently.
	You don't concern yourself with the well-being of society.
	Of course I do, but I don't think that people having children right now is necessary for society.
	I don't think we're in like desperate need of people reproducing.
	Like obviously people are still going to.
	The population isn't declining.
	Okay, yes.
	I'm sorry.
	It is.
	There's a population collapse.
	Sure.
	And things are going to be, especially in, well, even in the United States, but if you look at certain like, what is it, Southeast Asian countries, you look at Japan, you look at Korea, they're going to have massive issues because their population is collapsing.
	There's going to be massive issues with like you're going to have a bunch of elderly people who's going to be there to like look after them.
	There's going to be a lot of issues coming in 10, 20, 30 years.
	Sure.
	But I do think that in this specific circumstance, if we're talking like, oh, for the well-being of society, we need to keep people out of the workforce so that, you know, someone can stay at home with the children, right?
	That is then just back to the argument that women shouldn't be in the workforce.
	Like, if you want to make an argument that you think we need to, like, I don't know what another example here would be, just something along the lines of like requiring one stay-at-home parent or something.
	Like, that's a different thing than saying women specifically don't belong in the workforce.
	Well, so I don't make, I'm not making any prescriptions on this, really.
	I'm more so looking at it descriptively.
	I'm just looking at what's happening, and I'm just describing what's happening.
	I'm not actually making any prescriptions as to, well, we should bar women.
	That's not my position at all.
	But it does seem, again, I guess my question is to reiterate: do you think in terms of what's best for the children, do you think children are going to receive better care from their own mother or better care from like a hired helper?
	Obviously, from their mother, but I do also think that the wording here is misleading.
	What about from their father?
	Why doesn't the father stay home?
	Sure, I would agree that the father would be more capable of providing that than like a hired nanny, whether the nanny's a man or a woman.
	But then we would get into a territory of even liberal, I would argue even liberal feminist women absolutely would refuse to engage in any sort of relationship dynamic where the man is solely financially dependent on the woman.
	I think that that is a person-to-person basis.
	I know for a fact that if I were, if I personally were capable of providing for a family, like obviously I would love to spend time with my children, right?
	But if I had a husband who his dream was to be a stay-at-home husband, that's not my dream.
	That's not my aspiration.
	I would be comfortable providing for someone.
	I personally don't want children, so I would never have them because that's an unfair position to put children in.
	But say that I had a husband who had a career that didn't make a lot of money, that had a career that took time to get to, that for whatever reason couldn't provide.
	If I loved this person and I knew that their intention was not to take advantage of me, I would have no problem being the sole provider.
	So just to be clear, I understand you don't want children.
	You would be totally fine, totally fine, dating a guy who, so you're paying all the rent, you're paying for groceries, not just your own, but you'd be paying more money to be paying for his food, his expenses, et cetera.
	Obviously, there are exceptions.
	Like, I think that if it's just because, you know, he simply doesn't want to contribute, he doesn't care enough to contribute, things like that, well, that's just not personally someone I want to be with because I don't think that that's a nice human being.
	But if it's, well, okay, so then that would preclude men who are even open to that kind of dynamic.
	That would preclude them from even you, who seems very, you know, more liberal on these sorts of things.
	So if even a liberal person wouldn't date a man who wants to just be a stay-at-home husband, then what hope is there for any men who have this?
	So your argument is kind of irrelevant, this idea of, well, I think, yeah, well, what about the man who wants to stay home?
	Okay, even I guess my position here is, let's say there is a man who wants to stay home.
	Most women are not, even liberal feminist women are not going to, they might go 50-50.
	They're not going to be okay with, I'll provide for the man.
	Sure, but I do need to jump in that a stay-at-home husband is very different than what I'm talking about.
	A stay-at-home husband has duties.
	That's cooking, that's cleaning.
	That's if there's children, childcare.
	That is his own thing.
	I'm talking about if a man simply does not want to contribute to a relationship, then I think that that is bad.
	The same way I think if a woman doesn't want to contribute in any way, that is bad.
	I think a relationship is 50-50, and that doesn't always look like money.
	That can look like effort.
	Interesting.
	You look like you're someone saying.
	Okay, like, I know a lot of liberal women.
	Like, I am definitely have trended more conservatively due to my religious beliefs, but, like I know many, many liberal females, and I don't know anybody who would be okay with a stay-at-home husband Being okay with a man not contributing or taking care of her and the kids, her and/or the kids, because if they don't have kids,
	not one person.
	I don't even know.
	And I think if you, it sounds good on paper.
	Like, it sounds like, oh, yeah, well, if you want me to stay home, then I should be able to work.
	But if you wanted to stay home, that'd be fine too.
	Like, it sounds great.
	Like, what you do whatever you want to do.
	But if you talk to women, like most women are not going to be okay supporting a man who is fine staying at home and cleaning the house and cooking her meals.
	Like, I don't know.
	Maybe I just don't know them.
	Maybe I just don't know them.
	I don't know.
	And haven't met them on a regular basis.
	Sure.
	I mean, you know, I surely can't speak for every woman.
	I'm not trying to.
	I know I personally can very confidently say that doesn't bother me.
	I don't think that money plays a role in a relationship.
	I think that if you are.
	Money is the number one reason for divorce.
	Yeah.
	And I think that's what I'm saying.
	So money, a hundred.
	Sorry.
	It plays a role in relationships, marriages.
	It's the number one.
	Sex children.
	Those are the three breakers.
	Money, sex, childbirth.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And money is most likely number one.
	I just personally, I mean, like, I can understand that.
	Everyone is different.
	I can't speak for anyone but myself.
	For me, I do not care if a man is making money.
	I care that he is putting in effort.
	If it comes to a situation where I'm not financially capable of supporting him, then I won't.
	He is responsible for supporting himself at the end of the day.
	But if I love someone and they are supporting me in other ways that aren't financial and I'm capable of that, then I would love to, you know, if we're both putting in what we're capable of putting in.
	I do have like a, I guess as a question, some narrative that I've seen a lot lately is like women wanting to go back to the soft life.
	And I feel like a lot of what they are describing as the soft life is the life that we're fighting against almost like that very woman forward, you know, shoddy, don't eat, no man type.
	Like, I feel like that's largely what we are proposing.
	But then you have so many women, then I'm seeing this with my own eyes, whether it's on social media or conversations or whatever, that they're proposing this soft life in the soft light that they're wanting is kind of what they're fighting against.
	And that's really interesting to me because there are quite a few of those men women are like, you know, he needs to pay for my nails.
	He needs to pay for my hair.
	He needs to pay for this.
	But then it's like when we're trying to move towards this life that we're fighting against, which is like, I guess, like he would say, the nuclear family or whatever, like traditions.
	It's like a double standard almost.
	And I don't know, like, what would you guys consider the soft life?
	Or does that make sense what I'm saying?
	Like, absolutely.
	It's kind of like a double standard.
	It's a huge movement.
	And I think it really boils down to women just want the choice to be able to do either or, or maybe have both.
	I think it comes out, but I think there's the shortage.
	Where can you find those men?
	That's what I'm seeing being the overwhelming, you know, issue.
	Where do you find them?
	And the smash and grab of Shara Seven and influencers like that promoting, you know, the smash and grab and taking for their money.
	That's wrong.
	Even Sadia, psychology, right?
	We have Sadia coming out last week that she was like the side check type thing.
	Are you guys familiar with what I'm talking about?
	She's been advising women and charging like all this money.
	So the bottom line is the system's broken.
	Something has to give.
	The dating apps aren't working.
	There's a lot of toxicity on both sides.
	Everybody's upset.
	People are saying we have to meet more in person.
	And everything's really broken right now.
	Well, I think women have to decide what they want.
	Because, like, so for so long, we were like, like he said, I want to be a boss babe.
	I want to go out and have my career and do this and do that.
	And now we have a generation of women who we told that that was going to make you happy and that was going to make you fulfilled.
	And it has not.
	And now we're like, okay, I want the soft life.
	Okay, where are those men at now?
	Now you're trying to use the men that you changed for wanting you to stay home.
	Now you're trying to use them for their money so that they can now give you a soft life that you said you didn't want.
	Like, women, which one, which one do we want?
	So I'd like to chime in.
	If I personally, I mean, we can't generalize women like that.
	I'm sure the women who, you know, wanted careers are still pursuing them.
	Some changed.
	Some people changed.
	They learn different things.
	They experience different things.
	The women who want that kind of soft life, you know, that's completely up to them.
	Women as a whole, generally, as far as I'm aware of, just want to be able to pursue what they want to pursue.
	And all women want to pursue different things.
	They just want all of those options open.
	I also do think that there is definitely a very strange thing about the concept of the soft life.
	I think that this idea that men have to financially provide and men have to like pamper women is bizarre.
	I don't think that that should be anyone's role in a relationship.
	If you're capable of pampering your partner and you want to, that's a show of affection.
	That's very kind.
	But I think that the expectation that men have to be rich and men have to provide and men have to like do all this stuff, it's just as detrimental as the idea that women have to stay home.
	Unpopular opinion, I can say, is almost 53, mother of two daughters, 20 and 14.
	Oh, almost 14.
	You cannot have it all.
	You cannot.
	And there's going to be a give on one way or another.
	You simply cannot.
	You can't not have daycare.
	You can't have the career.
	Be the stay-at-home.
	Something's going to give.
	I've never seen it done.
	And I've seen it done.
	I've not seen it done successfully.
	Can't have it all.
	I was going to say, I think it goes all the way back to what you were saying, like these natural proclivities that we have as men and women.
	In my personal belief, that's how God designed us.
	And that's why they naturally fall that way.
	And the second that we try to fight against them and make them the opposites of what we were naturally designed, that's where the issue comes in.
	And I think that's what's happening here.
	Well, what she's going to say is she's an atheist and she doesn't believe in God's true love.
	So she rejects.
	So give her a secular argument.
	Oh, you know me so well.
	So can you base your argumentation on this?
	Not from a biblical perspective, but like a secular one for her sake.
	Well, because she would just say, well, I don't adhere to your worldview.
	I'm not Christian.
	I don't believe in God.
	I don't believe in the Bible.
	So she would just outright reject your basis, your foundation for that.
	My work here is done.
	He's been radicalized.
	Well, that's not.
	He just knows your worldview.
	I do not think he agrees with it.
	Anna, no, I would like to say to you, I think that faith, like even if I personally am not religious, I think it's an incredible thing to have in someone's life.
	I think it's great for people.
	I think that, you know, again, to each their own.
	And if that's the way that you live your life, then that's awesome.
	If it's good for you, it's good for you.
	So, you know, I'm not going to argue what you want to pursue, whether it's based off the Bible or based off anything else.
	I think that is totally within your right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I agree with that in that, like, we're going to disagree because of different worldviews, but at the end of the day, like, God gave everyone free will, and your free will is to not believe in him.
	So, like, Who am I to get mad at that?
	Yeah, but a secular argument.
	My worldview is so that I agree with you, right?
	I agree that men and women are wired the way that they're wired because they were created to be so.
	But I do think that even if you ask men who do not necessarily hold a Christian worldview, do they want a woman who respects them and treats them like a man and would treat them like the head of the household if they had that option and would, if they could provide for their family, would they enjoy a woman who was not weak but was willing to follow their lead?
	I think if you asked the majority of men that question, I think they would say yes.
	And just from a purely worldview of what men want and what men desire in relationships.
	And I think we're hearing this a lot.
	And if you specifically ask men, they're like, yes, I want to be respected.
	I would like to be the head of the household.
	Now, whether they are willing or capable to step up and become the men that they have to do to be so, you know, that is a whole different thing.
	But yeah, I think if you talk to them about their desires, I think a lot of men would naturally say, yeah, in a perfect world, I would desire that.
	I would add to that and say the same for women.
	If we are being honest, not saying what we want to, you know, say, you know, outwardly, but if we were being honest to our cores, I think there's not one woman who wouldn't want to be loved and cherished and honored by one man who is actually leading them and their family in a positive direction.
	And I have enough emotional empathy to understand that everybody comes from different walks.
	Some people have dealt with abuse as kids.
	Some people dealt with divorced parents.
	Some people never had examples of relationships.
	So there are all these different traumas and stuff that can make us think a certain way.
	But if we're thinking to our core, even if you want to reject it because of your pain, every woman, I think, wants to be loved and cherished and chosen every single day by one person.
	But a lot of times it's not that way.
	That's not the example that we get.
	So then we come up with all these things of like, I don't need no man.
	Like, I would rather have this way.
	I would rather have this.
	And I think that's where the extremes come in.
	But like you said, I agree.
	That makes sense.
	I completely agree too.
	We have a chat here from Chef Del Pickles.
	Oops, I made a family F12.
	This is in response to you.
	Sorry, you in the corner there with the frog tattoo.
	Oops, I made a family F12.
	What?
	F12 is a game.
	I don't understand.
	Everything okay next?
	I don't know what that means.
	Was there a slip?
	No, Oh, okay.
	I thought I missed it.
	I miss her.
	I'm like, what?
	I want to get into a couple things here.
	I guess just to finish this off really quick, just show of hands.
	Who here considers themselves more liberal?
	Liberal politically?
	Really?
	Just you?
	Wow.
	Raise them high.
	Be proud.
	What the fuck?
	Well, I mean, liberal is a weird term.
	So honestly, who's naturally liberal?
	Do you prefer leftist?
	Yeah.
	Okay, you're a leftist.
	Okay.
	I'm happy now.
	How would you categorize yourself?
	Progressive.
	Are you a political?
	We've established I'm anti-labels as a whole.
	You know who I am.
	I'm not.
	Are you a tanky?
	I don't even know what that means.
	Are you a communist?
	Are we going to argue econ now?
	That's just not.
	No, not at all.
	I do think that economics is something that I'm just not well-versed enough to make a strong claim on.
	I'm not really much of an arguer on that front either, but are you a communist?
	I truly, I don't think I'm educated enough to back up a point I make, so I'm not going to make one.
	Well, I'm not asking you to make a point, but are you a communist?
	If we're going off how we believe, how we believe.
	It's okay.
	I'm definitely not a capitalist.
	I'll tell you that.
	So you're anti-capitalist.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Not just not a capitalist.
	You're anti-capitalist.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Are you socialist?
	I'm not going to, I'm not going to label myself there.
	I'm not confident enough to.
	True.
	That's fine, but how about this?
	Would you prefer living under an economic system if you had to pick between one or two?
	Would you prefer capitalism or would you prefer socialism?
	See, again, this isn't, I don't know what a socialist society would look like in practice.
	I don't know.
	Right, it wouldn't be capitalism.
	In theory, I think socialist, but like I truly don't know.
	And then would you prefer living under a capitalist society or a communist society?
	I'm sorry.
	I got a gasp.
	You can only pick one.
	I was going to say both.
	You know, I really confidently want to say communist.
	Okay.
	Again, not something I can back up, so don't ask me about it.
	Okay.
	Girl, I'm a writing and lit major.
	I don't know.
	I mean, you seem pretty well versed in some of these other issues.
	Thanks.
	I think so too.
	You're so funny.
	Thank you.
	Under, I mean, I guess you don't have any sense of what your utopian society would look like.
	My utopian society is I alone am put on an island with all the skills I need to survive, and I have my little island.
	That's it by yourself?
	Well, it gets complicated if I start asking for friends, but like I do want some friends.
	Ideally, I would, you know, like Harry Potter magic type would be really cool.
	Give me a wand.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	I'll give you one year to build up some of these survival skills, and I will finance you living alone on a deserted island.
	Yeah.
	Deserted island.
	For well, there's not much to finance besides the trip out there because I'm on the island.
	I can't remember my number.
	I will give you a singular pocket knife from Amazon.
	Okay, will you finance my trip back when I inevitably regret it?
	Well, yeah, as long as you know.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	Then we're good.
	Yeah, send me off.
	Yeah.
	I need to get the urge out of my system, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I mean, you do, and we'll film it too.
	I'm sorry?
	We'll film the whole thing.
	Oh, okay, cool.
	So, yeah, the film crew will be back there eating, you know, Oreos and these sorts of things.
	But you and I have one Oreo.
	It'll be like naked and afraid.
	And it'll be like Survivor.
	Girl, put me on Survivor.
	It has like a few people.
	He has to basically ignore you.
	But anyways, let's see here.
	I did want to.
	Okay, so just you and you are liberal or left-leaning.
	Anybody left-leaning?
	I'm liberal, left-leaning?
	Okay, just you two.
	The rest of you are MAGA Trump supporters?
	No, no, no, no.
	So what are my hardware?
	Are you Republican, Democrat?
	I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that.
	I would lean more.
	Keep on it, Nick.
	Keep on.
	No, so I would lean more.
	I'm going to say moderate, but grew up very conservative, Republican, and no one said MAGA.
	No one brought MAGA into this.
	It does not, Republican or conservative does not have to be.
	I mean, the current Republican president is Donald Trump.
	But these are two very, those are very different.
	Sure, I suppose you could be Republican and not be a Trump supporter.
	That's fine.
	Also MAGA?
	Absolutely not.
	I've been a registered Republican since I was 18, and I'm still right-wing, but kind of like libertarian.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I have a couple other things I want to get into, but I'm going to wait until she's back.
	We're going to get into.
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	I don't know.
	Let's see here.
	I did want to ask, obviously, hopefully in good taste.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I was reading the game.
	The chat was crazy.
	What did it say?
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	No, look, they're below the threshold.
	Just, okay.
	I want to ask the panel: how do you feel about what happened to Charlie Kirk, starting with you?
	Actually, starting with you.
	Hey.
	Okay.
	I personally am never going to celebrate anyone's death ever, especially the gun violence, especially to something so preventable.
	I can understand where this feeling of relief is coming from, though.
	What do you mean, relief?
	Can you explain?
	I do think that there is definitely a very strong sense on the internet of people being relieved in their own individual ways, some tasteful, some not tasteful.
	I think that people can have their own opinions on whether or not he deserved to die.
	Again, I personally don't think that any individual should ever be making a claim over whether or not someone deserves to live or not.
	I think that's a slippery slope.
	I think none of us have that kind of jurisdiction.
	But I absolutely, I mean, I never agreed with him.
	I think that he was hateful.
	I think that he caused, I mean, he just really did encourage hate among people.
	And again, no one deserves to die for that.
	But when it comes to people online, coming off is very relieved.
	Coming off is like almost sadistic over it.
	I think that it is, you know, this response brought on by a lot of years of resentment and rage, watching this man like, you know, say that gun violence is warranted, say that gun violence is a necessary cost to have guns.
	Like he died on the hill that he stood on, and that is still tragic.
	That is still awful.
	Do you want to elaborate any further or is that the bulk of it?
	I mean, I can respond.
	Hold up.
	Before I let people jump in on this, I need to get everybody's take here.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, so just a few clarifying things.
	You said he was hateful.
	Can you explain how?
	Yeah, I mean, a lot of his debates were not in good faith.
	I mean, this is quite a minor example, but I mean, he did definitely trap people into corners.
	He did make them look stupid.
	He used misleading wording.
	His goal online, as much as he.
	The question was how he was hateful.
	So to be clear, I would contest your accusations that he was bad faith or he was misleading or using certain words or whatever.
	Even if that was the case, though, why would that be hateful?
	Well, I think he also backed a lot of hateful points.
	Such as?
	I mean, as far as I'm aware of, he was very anti-abortion.
	He was very anti-gay marriage.
	I'm actually not sure on his position on the gay marriage thing, but he was anti-abortion.
	The gay marriage one, I could probably use a fact check.
	I'm not that up to date on his, I haven't looked into it recently.
	I would imagine he's my understanding of his position, he doesn't have any issue with gay people, but given that he's a Christian, I suspect he would have some objections to gay marriage.
	So we'll go with that.
	I have absolutely clips of him saying that it's like whether unnatural or wrong or whatever.
	I don't know if he backed it being illegal.
	Okay, that's fairly minor in terms of, well, I'm sure you object to some of his other positions more.
	What are the other hateful things?
	Honestly, my main one is the abortion.
	I guess.
	Anything else?
	Was there racism, sexism, anything?
	Again, I'm not that up to date on his takes.
	I wouldn't like to make any.
	The abortion component was the.
	Yeah, I wouldn't like to make any false claims, even if I believe that might be true.
	I don't.
	I can't.
	So you understand why these people might be rejoicing or happy because, well, his other takes, but one such take that might justify these people's reactions is his anti-abortion position.
	Yes.
	Well, then, correspondingly, then, you must be okay also with people who have, and this is something that has happened in the past, when, for example, abortion clinics have been targeted in a violent way.
	You would, you disavow the violence, but you would understand why somebody would target an abortion clinic.
	What do you mean?
	Well, you're sort of doing this justification for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
	I do not just defend violence in any capacity.
	Well, you're kind of roundabout saying, well, he didn't deserve to die, but you can understand why other people are happy about it.
	So then you would have no issue with when abortion clinics have been targeted by anti-abortionists.
	You would then be okay if somebody was okay with somebody targeting.
	Well, I would like to first off reiterate: I'm not making any claim on whether or not he deserved it either way.
	I don't think I have any right to.
	I don't, that is none of my business.
	Right, but you're playing cover for the people who are, while they themselves didn't engage in a specific act of violence, you're saying, well, I kind of get why these people are enjoying or rejoicing in his death.
	Sure.
	Do I personally think that it is right to rejoice in it?
	No.
	Do I understand that people are not always the most rational when they're emotional?
	Yes.
	This is a man who intentionally evoked reaction for clips, for views.
	He was definitely, I mean, like, the way that he debated was to get clips, you know, and it worked.
	People had very strong opinions on him.
	Yeah, that wouldn't justify murder, but I do not.
	I'm not, I'm anti-violence in all capacities.
	I guess my confusion is, especially, and I understand your position, and I understand that you're not, you don't think he deserved to be assassinated.
	My issue, though, is you are playing cover for the people who are rejoicing in his assassination, saying you to some degree understand why they would act that way.
	I don't understand, and you know, look, I understand that people have differences of political opinion and that you might strongly dislike somebody, you might despise them, you might even hate them.
	But to me, it would never, like, I don't know why there needs to be a but.
	Well, I don't know why, even people on the left side there needs to be a but.
	Well, he should he didn't deserve to die, but he was bad in all these ways.
	Why can't we just leave it at what happened was wrong?
	He didn't deserve to die, and then, look, I'm fine with people having objections to his positions and worldviews.
	You're fair to, it's fair to criticize those things, but when we're having a conversation about his assassination and it's followed by a but, it seems like it's getting a bit into the territory of creating a sort of smuggled in justification,
	even if not for the assassination itself, the sort of clearly, and I, there's no other word, it's clearly, I would categorize it as evil to, even if you completely disagree with someone entirely, to rejoice in somebody's death.
	And some of the things I've seen online, maybe you've seen them, are disgusting.
	Completely disgusting.
	Sure.
	So I'm going to jump to a very extreme example here.
	And I do want to make it clear beforehand, and this will make sense once I pose my question.
	I am not in any way comparing Charlie Kirk to Hitler.
	Bear with me on this.
	When Hitler died, do you think people rejoiced?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yes.
	I, again, as much as I personally can stand by, I stand by the fact that we should not be claiming who deserves to live or die.
	We should not be rejoicing death in any sense.
	I think that when someone has such a profound impact on people emotionally, when someone is actively trying to enact policies that will harm people, that will end people's lives, because abortion does kill, or anti-abortion policies do kill.
	Oh, you said it right the first time.
	Abortion kills.
	You said it right the first time.
	Anti-abortion policies do kill.
	And on that note, I think that when people see someone who is affecting their lives in such a heavy way and trying so hard to harm them personally, they obviously are going to have an emotional response to it.
	Could I just ask, like, do you have a better example other than Hitler?
	Because Hitler has really emotional.
	I know it's very extreme.
	It's very extreme to the point because he has to be able to.
	Charlie Kirk is nothing like Hitler.
	Of course.
	My opinion isn't saying that they're like in any way similar or on similar levels of like evil or anything.
	You can't even use that example.
	I'm just curious, why invoke that?
	Because I'm sure we would acknowledge that there is a threshold, right?
	So is your position, like let's just cut to the chase.
	Is your position that Charlie Kirk was beyond the threshold of justified rejoicing in his death because of his political beliefs or whatever?
	I personally do believe so.
	I don't think that it's rational.
	I don't think it's reasonable.
	I don't think it's humane.
	But I think that if someone has an emotional response like that, The way or what he had done would evoke emotional responses like that from people, whether or not it's yeah.
	Well, I think there's a couple different thresholds here.
	So I can understand, look, I think if there's a person who you hate and they die, you know, maybe they have a personal feeling.
	Perhaps this is the social media world we live in.
	Even then, I would sort of object to even a private individual internal rejoice, rejoicing when someone dies.
	I do think that that is a bit malevolent and evil, but to publish it is like a much higher threshold to publish it and to just be so I can't even like some, it's not just, I'm glad this happened.
	Then, like, I've seen clips of people saying, why stop there?
	What about, I saw this girl who was, she was saying, she was saying that it should have been the wife and kids too.
	Yep.
	That's disgusting.
	I think that is disgusting.
	But I guess my question here is, you mentioned the slippery slope.
	So what then?
	Like, I guess you would be, if we were to change like the political alignment, let's say, and you know, I was trying to think like who on the left side or the Democrat side would be on Charlie Kirk's level.
	I don't actually think there's a lot of left-leaning influencers that are on his level.
	I mean, like, if I was thinking, like, maybe not even, Hassan is not on Kirk's level.
	You know who Hassan Piker is?
	Yes.
	And just to be clear, don't think anybody should.
	But I was thinking if like somebody on the other side of the political aisle was assassinated, like, would you also go to the defense of say like Republicans or conservatives who are publicly rejoicing and saying like despicable statements?
	Because like from their perspective, like logically, wouldn't it follow that, well, because of the disagreements on politics, that they're justified in rejoicing?
	Well, see, here's where it gets complicated.
	Because I don't think that people have a right to rejoice over disagreements, like, right?
	I don't think that people necessarily are rejoicing over Charlie Kirk's death because they disagreed with him.
	I think it's because he genuinely was proposing policies that were harming people.
	He was actively advocating for things that were.
	Yes.
	No, no.
	Go on.
	Well, so.
	You get my point.
	But you're saying harm, right?
	But from your perspective, right?
	Exactly.
	But from the other perspective, they would say, well, these pro-choicers, if they're, okay, the pro-choice position is that this is murder.
	When you get an abortion, you're murdering an unborn child.
	So from their perspective, that's harm being done.
	So from their perspective, you must, I know you don't agree with that, but you would have to, I guess, to logically be consistent if you're, I mean, otherwise, I guess you could just say, well, I don't agree with their worldview.
	Therefore, they're not justified in their, you know, rejoicing in like a left-wing politician or, you know, whoever, speaker, political activist being assassinated.
	But if their worldview is genuinely that abortion is murder, like you, it would be fair then for them to rejoice.
	Yes.
	So, okay, they should be fine with like abortion clinics being no.
	From my personal perspective, obviously I don't understand it.
	I can't put myself in that headspace because that's not what I view it as.
	If someone genuinely believes that babies are being murdered and they assassinate someone to stop that from happening, I can understand people being happy about that if they genuinely believe babies are being murdered.
	I don't.
	So I can't get into that headspace.
	I can't get behind it.
	But with such a strong emotion like that, I get it.
	But so I can tell you this: there are political positions on the left.
	I lean more conservative, right?
	I'm not like full-blown conservative, but I lean like mostly pretty strongly conservative.
	There are people who I have fundamental disagreements with on politics and so forth.
	And there are some positions that I think are really harm, left-leaning positions, leftist positions, liberal positions, Democrat positions that are really harmful to society.
	They cause harm.
	But because somebody advocated for these positions or voted for whatever it is, even if a political opponent of mine was assassinated, I would never rejoice.
	I would condemn and disavow anybody on my side who did rejoice, even if this person was a political opponent, a very strong one.
	That's kind of the difference here.
	So I don't think, even though there's differences of political opinion, I don't want to see it happening on my side.
	I don't want to see it happening on the other side.
	Yeah.
	I am, I have one thing to say on that, and I want to bring the attention more over here because I've been leaving you waiting.
	I personally, I'm on the same page.
	I'm not about to go and rejoice over anyone's death no matter what, especially because I think when it comes to gun violence, to rejoice in any death from gun violence is to rejoice in gun violence.
	And I think that that is disgusting.
	I think gun violence is completely avoidable and one of the like just it is should be condemned in all manners.
	On that note, I do think that there is a do you do you believe that there is like a threshold of evil you can cross to where it's warranted for people to have a reaction, such as the reaction they're having to Charlie Kirk, whether or not you think he was there or not.
	Do you think that that level can be reached?
	Yeah, I think that there are genuinely people who are monsters and yes, but I don't believe Charlie Kirk passed that threshold.
	Okay, I can understand that.
	Like, for example, you brought up, you invoked Hitler for, I mean, okay.
	A bit extreme.
	I understand.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, like, this.
	So Hitler participated, like, there were war crimes.
	War crimes.
	He comes to the right.
	So, but when you're engaged in and conducting war crimes, then the ultimate punishment for that would be death.
	So point out, so like, and we were, this is wartime two.
	This is a belligerent nation.
	The United States was opposed to the Axis powers.
	So, and Hitler was the leader of Germany.
	So, yeah, typically when you're having an actual physical war with somebody, you're trying to actually like take out the leadership.
	Yes.
	So there would, there's actually like legal justification, wartime justification for attempting to kill like commanders, leaders of the opposing military because you're at war.
	In this case, however, I guess my question to you would be: has Charlie Kirk committed an act that the state would be able to commit capital punishment against him for any of his conduct?
	No, and I think that so Hitler, as a belligerent against the United States, did commit certain acts during wartime that would warrant capital punishment.
	Yes.
	My question here, when bringing that up, is not to pose like, why is Hitler deserving and Charlie Kirk isn't?
	I'm not posing that question.
	I understand the difference there.
	The question I am posing is, are there circumstances in which it's warranted, regardless of what the circumstances are?
	I'm just wondering if that's a threshold you can reach, which you've said yesterday.
	So why then can't I say, well, the threshold for murder or assassinating somebody is because they hurt my feelings.
	A personal belief like that, it's up to you.
	See, I think that's absurd, but people hold their own individual beliefs.
	The threshold lies where it lies for each individual.
	We can't affect that.
	Or what about somebody, I don't know, somebody called me stupid.
	Sure, yeah, that's insane.
	But I think not legally.
	Like, anyone can murder anyone.
	We are really drastically overlooking the point that people are being killed, being killed with guns specifically, constantly in this country, obsessively.
	And we only really care when it's a public face like this because it's fun to cause outrage, I guess.
	People love to argue, right?
	I think that, frankly, the most upsetting part of the entire Charlie Kirk situation is the fact that people care so much more when it's his life than it is with anyone else's.
	He was murdered live on television.
	That's a huge difference in what you're just saying.
	In front of his kids, too, and his wife.
	And I understand.
	I would like to ask if I can bring, can I discuss Palestine here or should I not bring that up?
	I mean, I'm kind of okay with it.
	I know you want to come in.
	I'm so sorry.
	I keep interrupting you.
	Well, so.
	Who's coming to this group for our political opinion?
	Like, how do we go from dating to- I don't know what this group's political opinion can't.
	Shut up.
	Charlie Kirk and I'm not sure.
	It is a pretty big breaking news thing.
	No, no, I agree with Charlie Kirk, but our deep political philosophy, this group?
	In case you couldn't tell, I can't shut up.
	Well, look, we're not going to.
	It's a fair point.
	We will get back to dating soon, but I did at least want to bring it up because we'll talk about it briefly, but we will move on soon.
	You wanted to bring up Palestinian.
	The one thing I would like to say on Palestine, I understand that there's a difference between it being a broadcasted event with a given crowd, right?
	People are being murdered in Palestine in front of their entire families, in front of their friends, in front of their communities constantly, more than we are capable of grasping.
	These videos are being plastered all over the internet.
	People are watching this shit for fun.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	Yes.
	This is going to be very sort of roundabout thinking here.
	But you said that Charlie Kirk espoused hateful rhetoric.
	Yes.
	Right?
	And that, well, I guess you say that that's not justification for assassination.
	No.
	But you can understand why people might have to.
	I don't think that there is any justification.
	Okay.
	Never mind.
	Well, okay.
	So hateful rhetoric.
	You said that, would you categorize, you mentioned LGBTQ marriage, right?
	Yes.
	And how Charlie Kirk opposed it.
	Yes.
	My question to you is, you cited this as a reason for why you might understand why people are rejoicing at Charlie Kirk's death because he was anti-LGBTQ.
	Would you say he's homophobic?
	Again, I truly am not that well versed on his specific takes.
	Well, he's against gay marriage.
	So would you consider that?
	I would consider that to be homophobic.
	So you would, hold on.
	You would label him as a homophobe.
	You would label him as anti-LGBTQ.
	You would say that he's against gay marriage, et cetera, et cetera.
	And that was one of the primary justifications for you saying, well, I understand why people are rejoicing.
	You brought up Palestinians.
	Do you think There's a good record of how do I want to frame this properly?
	Oh, I'm excited.
	Do you think in Palestine or other Muslim-majority countries that there's robust laws that protect people who are gay?
	No.
	Do you think that, for example, in certain Muslim countries, Muslim-majority countries, that there oftentimes, if somebody's found out to be gay, that they're stoned to death?
	That's a bit extreme.
	There are circumstances, but if we're acting like that is the natural practice, do you think they're pro-choice?
	But hold on.
	Do you think, again, but you would have to agree, the reality is in these Muslim-majority countries, there's not a lot of rights for the LGBT community.
	Sure.
	If you want to.
	Wait, but why?
	How do you reconcile then?
	How do you reconcile your defense of Palestine, which is clearly anti-LGBT, but also seem to have some issue with Charlie Kirk's anti-LGBT position?
	Well, I mean, first of all, I'm anti-violence in any sense.
	That comes before any of my other beliefs.
	I don't think homophobia is a reason to kill people.
	You know, I think that's pretty simple.
	But I also want to make it clear when I'm talking about Palestine, I'm not talking about the lawmakers.
	I'm talking about the children.
	I'm talking about the mothers, the fathers, the wives, the husbands, the men, the women, all of them.
	Well, hold on.
	Even the citizenry, you do realize it's not just the politicians in these Islamic or Muslim countries.
	It's the majority of the citizenry is quite anti-LGBT.
	Yes, they live in a country where they are encouraged to be.
	I think that we, specifically the U.S., is relatively open and accepting of different people because it's legal here because it's, you know, we can discuss it.
	We can be in those spaces.
	We can have community like that.
	If they're not able to do those things, then yeah, I'd assume the population is more homophobic.
	That's fair.
	I also want to put it out there.
	I don't justify violence in any sense.
	So can I ask you?
	Yes.
	So just to be clear, I think my personal position, any of these conflicts going on in the world, whether it's Israel-Palestine, whether it's Ukraine-Russia, or whether it's political, individual political assassinations, war is terrible.
	Yes.
	I hate to see anybody, whether I agree with them, disagree with them, being killed, civilians being killed, whatever it is.
	I don't like to see conflict.
	It's terrible, right?
	I guess my confusion is, though, if it is the case that Palestinians overwhelmingly are anti-LGBT, then if people are rejoicing because they're being killed, would you have objections to that?
	They are children.
	We're talking, if people want to rejoice.
	What about the adults?
	The adults.
	If people are happy that people who are raised to be homophobic are dying and who never really knew much else and who were raised in a genocide, right?
	And whatever, like never formed full political opinions.
	If you want to judge their morality based off of that, go for it.
	I personally care much more about the fact that this culture is being erased, that the land is being taken, that beyond count, just an insane amount of people are dying.
	And this is never discussed.
	It's discussed in the sense of some people online are like, this is bad.
	And then, with the exception of that, people forget for years at a time.
	I would really like to bring it to you.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, I'm pretty much done with my point.
	Okay, so you said something very valuable when you talked about we determine how much value a person's life is based on certain things and whose life, whose death is more impactful than that.
	I totally agree with that, and I'm going to come back to that.
	But I feel like we also have this difference in value for human life because you talk about the children in Palestine.
	We talk about having so much gun control because the children in all of these mass shootings.
	What is the difference between children that are being aborted?
	Maud said what I said.
	That's the question I'm going to pose.
	Yes.
	But I just think that we have this like selective outrage because I've seen some horrendous videos on social media lately from like clinics of just baby parts in buckets.
	And it's absolutely ridiculous.
	But when it's a child sitting in a school, it's somehow different.
	And that's what's the concern.
	I think that's the big thing with Charlie Kirk is that there's this value placed on life based on what color you are, based on what your political beliefs are, based on how much money you have.
	And there's this like this double standard.
	Going back to earlier, there was this double standard, and we don't have the same energy for all of the different things.
	So what would you say the difference is?
	Or even, let's say, people who didn't have an issue with the assassin, didn't have the issue with the assassination of, I think it was like Democratic.
	I don't know what their exact position was, but it was a couple, I believe.
	I don't know much about it.
	People don't have the same upset about that that they have had about Mr. Kirk.
	So it's, what's the explanation for that?
	Why are we, as humans, putting this like level of like, okay, this is different death, or this is different violence, or this is different when this, these children, and it's different when it's these children like?
	Why do you think that is?
	And and as someone who I assume is pro-abortion yes okay i'm, i'm pro-choice.
	So what's the difference between the children in Palestine, children in schools or children being taken, because either way they're young lives?
	I, I do completely understand where you're coming from with that.
	I personally um, am not going to get onto the argument of whether or not abortion is murder.
	That is not my abortion take.
	Uh, the reason that I am pro-abortion, taking a life is murder.
	Well, let me explain my take real quick and then uh yeah, we'll get into that.
	Well, you know what i'm actually gonna jump in here?
	Just because it is getting a little bit away from the actual topic at hand, because now we're just getting into, like a separate abortion conversation which we've already kind of derailed a little bit too much as it is.
	I have some chats coming through and well met, lol.
	Paladins donated 200.02.
	It's sad.
	The men, the women and the children of Palestine want death to bunnies and death to homosexuals.
	Oh, it's not just a few bad apples.
	Unless she thinks the same about police.
	So it changed.
	That was supposed to be Jews, it changed.
	For some reason, Streamlabs changed Jews to Bunnies.
	I was very confused about the bunny.
	I was like I haven't heard this before, lol.
	Paladins donated 200.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Where you been bro?
	That being said, it's so hilarious.
	She is concerned about the Palestinian culture being erased, but yet she would rejoice about her own culture being replaced in the United States.
	I'm not gonna.
	I don't have a response to that one.
	All I would like to say is, I find this very funny because I am Syrian, so I don't know what we mean by my own culture.
	I don't support cultural erasure in any form.
	So, maybe Lol Paladins.
	I don't know if you want to revise it.
	By the way, thank you for the big support, man.
	It's been a while, dude.
	Thank you for tuning in, man.
	I haven't seen you in a while.
	Hope you've been well, man.
	Okay.
	Anybody else wanted to wait?
	Did you want to weigh in on the Charlie Kirk thing?
	Anybody?
	You know what?
	That's not fair.
	What happened in our house when we found out that Charlie Kirk died?
	What happened in our house when I found out Charlie Kirk died?
	Tell them exactly what happened.
	I cried for three days.
	She was in a state for like three days because what happened was genuinely horrible.
	It was horrible.
	It was absolutely horrible.
	And there's no buts or ants to that.
	What happened was absolutely terrible.
	And there's no other comments to make.
	Because I don't believe that death should ever be a political discussion unless we're actively that person is taking the lives of other people, such as Hitler, which isn't even, you know, that's not even, you can't even compare the two.
	That's, but come on.
	But in terms of like, death isn't political.
	What happened fucking sucked.
	And that's, it doesn't matter what you're saying.
	You and your sister could not share my.
	I mean, your sister was empathetic more so than you.
	Well, my sister doesn't really care about anything.
	I fear like we could go into war and she still wouldn't care.
	Well, the bottom line is our house was quite divided.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Let me see.
	Oh, final thing here.
	This is something that I wanted to circle back to, then we'll get hopefully into some more dating topics.
	I have to follow up on this.
	You said woman, not a real thing.
	Oh, here we go.
	So I think it might be helpful here.
	Why don't we just, what is a woman?
	A woman is someone who personally identifies as one.
	A woman is someone who identifies a woman.
	Wait, guys, do me a favor here.
	I'm going to fix your mics one more time.
	Leave them where they are.
	Move your mic to the very edge of the table, please.
	All right.
	Scoot your mic that way, please.
	A little less.
	And just keep it at the edge.
	Okay.
	So, a woman is someone who identifies as a woman?
	Yes.
	Okay, here, we'll go around the table.
	What's your definition?
	Of a woman?
	Yeah.
	What's a woman?
	What is a woman?
	I believe that I'm a little bit, I'm self conflicted.
	I can't lie.
	I believe that a woman is someone who has reproductive.
	I believe that a woman is someone who has reproductive organs.
	And I believe, you know, sharing the struggles that women have gone through, that is what defines a woman.
	All right, what about you?
	One of two genders in the Homo sapien species.
	Okay, what about you?
	Ooh, you caught me off guard.
	A female.
	A female is a female.
	And a male is male.
	That's it.
	A female is a female?
	Yeah, a woman is a female.
	Yes.
	Okay, what about you?
	To me, a woman could be a mother.
	It could be truly anyone.
	But like a woman, to me, it's a mother.
	Well, not all women have.
	Well, children, I don't.
	I don't really know.
	What about you?
	What is a woman?
	A woman is one of two genders.
	You're either born male or you're born female.
	And if you're born female, you're a woman.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, a woman is one of two genders.
	Female, she has a uterus and gives birth to human beings.
	All right, what about you?
	I would say the same as the last two.
	Okay.
	I think a woman is an adult human female.
	So a woman is just somebody who identifies.
	So if I identified as a woman right now, I would be a woman.
	I think that if it was true to yourself, if you genuinely believed that.
	Sure.
	I think that if you right now were to say it in order to try and make a point.
	You know, none of us know your intentions, truthfully, internally.
	So if someone identifies as a woman, I'll always treat them as such because I would much rather, I mean, the amount of LGBTQ people, but specifically transgender people who have mental health issues, who face discrimination, who kill themselves, is so disproportionate from straight people.
	And I personally would never run that risk.
	If someone tells me they're a woman, then I am treating them as such.
	If that's not true to themselves, then it is their morality on the line.
	It is their, like, it is, you know, they're the ones betraying themselves.
	So we should affirm people's identity.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So my identity happens to be, and it would cause severe mental harm to me if you denied my identity.
	I believe I'm the right person on this issue.
	Like, I believe I'm correct.
	I would like you to affirm my identity as the correct person on this issue.
	Would you mind if we could quickly define identity?
	Because I think we have different definitions.
	The way in, I mean, just the way in which I identify.
	What's your definition, though?
	An identity is something fundamental to who you are, a building block of your character.
	Oh, this is not your stance on an argument.
	Well, this is fundamental to who I am, that I'm correct on your stance on this argument.
	Yeah, it's fundamental to who I am, that I am correct on every single thing I say.
	Nobody else can defy this.
	I am 100% right on every single thing.
	And I would like you to affirm my identity as the correct person on this issue and all issues.
	We clearly have different understandings of what an identity is, and that's all right.
	What do you mean?
	That's how I identify as the correct person.
	See, it's a fun argument to make because, you know, it makes transgender people sound so insane when you compare them to something like that.
	But that's not the claim that they're making.
	No one is sitting there, you know, taking extremes like that and just trying to be unreasonable.
	People just identify with different gentlemen.
	I'm not saying we should do this because if we don't do this, it would harm them.
	No, I'm saying that, you know, if it, well, I personally, the way that I like to go through my life, and I'm not saying anyone else has to live like this, but if something isn't causing harm to me or anyone else and it makes that person feel comfortable, I am always going to align with it.
	Well, how about this?
	All conservative people feel very strongly about their political positions.
	Yes, and I believe that is harming other people.
	Well, hold on.
	But it causes harm to conservative people when people disagree with their identity as a conservative person.
	And they don't get their political will.
	Laws are passed that are in contravention of their desires and their wants.
	And sometimes it creates economic harm.
	It creates, it can even, you know, going against certain political wills of conservative people will, you know, you allow certain, say, you're not going to like this argument, but allowing unfettered illegal immigration, like not all, not all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, but some of them are.
	And this will allow people into the country who will either like essay, sexually assault women, or, you know, just kill people, whether man, woman, female, whatever.
	This does create harm.
	And you not affirming my identity as correct, for example, on the immigration issue, actually causes palpable harm.
	And I would like you to align with my political ideology.
	I see where your misunderstanding is.
	My goal is not harm reduction.
	I would like you to affirm my position and my political identity as it relates to illegal immigration because I believe illegal immigration causes harm.
	Yes, my goal here is not to make you feel comfortable at all costs.
	As I said in my initial claim.
	Sure, that's fine.
	In my initial claim.
	In my initial claim, if someone's identity is explicitly not causing harm to me or others, as I said, then I will affirm it because it doesn't matter.
	That, in my opinion, is causing harm.
	So I will not affirm it for your sake.
	I don't.
	Okay, so hold on.
	But in all circumstances, must we affirm somebody's like if somebody's transgender, must we affirm?
	Well, as I said, I don't think everyone needs to go through life the way that I do.
	I personally will because I can ask you: if it causes harm to the transgender individual to bar them from playing in women's sports.
	Ooh, I was waiting for it.
	Well, I think it's fair to say that transgender individuals can experience that same level of harm if we bar them from participating in women's sports.
	Should we allow them to participate in women's sports?
	Well, I personally think we should.
	Okay.
	But you do acknowledge the differences in physical strength between men and women.
	I also acknowledge the difference in physical strength by person to person.
	Every single person has some kind of genetic disadvantage or advantage for different sports, and we have never cared before until it comes to being able to discriminate.
	Right, but if it was the case, for example, that transgender women are leaps and bounds more physically, like just completely physically stronger.
	Like, you don't think if it was the case, let's say there was a massive representation of transgender women in sports.
	And I know, look, transgender people, small proportion of the population.
	So, of course, they're never going to be like a majority of women playing in women's sports.
	Wouldn't it be fair, or do you think it would be unfair if it happened to end up eventually being the case that transgender women took first, second, third place across all of women's sports?
	You don't think that wouldn't raise in your head like any sort of red flag as to like a completely unfair disadvantage?
	Maybe it would, but that's not what's happening because estrogen does make like estrogen supplements that trans women take does make them weaker.
	So, just to be clear, you think the only difference between males and females is the testosterone.
	No, no, no, it's the endocrine system.
	You think the only all it takes to become a woman is to make a chemical to do a chemical change to your endocrine system?
	That is a big leap from what I said, and I did not make that claim.
	Well, you said estrogen.
	Well, as I estrogen does make trans women weaker, so as they are taking those supplements, it is not like a man competing against a woman, it is not.
	Well, it's not still a male competing against a female, but so you think that there's no verifiable differences in strength.
	I did not say that either.
	We're jumping to extremes.
	Well, you're saying you're referencing estrogen.
	Yes.
	So, okay, then it is your position that trans women still maintain mass male strength, I guess.
	To some extent, my argument here is no, my argument here is: do trans women have an advantage in certain sports?
	Keep in mind, strength is not always the only decided sports.
	Not necessarily.
	You do realize that men out-compete women in every single sport there is.
	The only one, there's, I believe, one specific, one specific long-distance event where the skiing one where they look kind of silly.
	Is that what we're talking about?
	No, there's a long-distance running event where women just slightly will outedge men.
	One long distance.
	So, women apparently have like some advantage in one specific event.
	If you look at all Olympic events, you look at fighting, she's a boxer, for example.
	Women just can't compete with men.
	So, on that note, I would like to say there are gymnastic skills that men can't even compete in, that they don't compete in the Olympics or gymnastic skills that women don't even compete in because they are tailored to their strengths.
	So, I mean, like to say that a trans woman would dominate in women's gymnastics is absurd.
	They would not.
	They would have a huge disadvantage.
	I'm going to go ahead and grant that there are like certain gymnastics things that like women do, men do.
	For example, I don't know what the move is.
	I don't know if anybody's familiar with gymnastics, like the one where men do the cross or something like that.
	There are things all across the cross or whatever.
	Like, women just don't have the physical capacity, even like train gymnasts to do like certain upper body maneuvers that male gymnasts can do.
	So, but I'll go ahead and grant that, yes.
	How about like the other 99% of athletic endeavors where men completely would dominate women if they were to compete together?
	Okay, I'd like to pose a question.
	Can I answer my question first, then pose your question?
	Okay, my response to that is: every single individual has different genetic advantages and disadvantages, some more extreme than others.
	It has never been in conversation before.
	It has never been a question of who naturally has the biggest lung capacity in swimming because we can't measure things like that.
	And it's not.
	Well, okay, sure, we can.
	Yes, that's actually a great point.
	Okay, we can.
	No, I mean, individual to individual.
	Can we determine Michael Phelps' lung capacity compared to a different Olympian and then claim whether or not he was born with an advantage or not?
	Those things have never mattered before.
	We've never posed those questions because we understand that humans are biologically always going to be different and have different strengths and weaknesses.
	It only becomes a problem when people don't want transgender people competing.
	But men are physically stronger than women, and men have certain physiological characteristics that make them better athletes.
	Sure, and certain men are able to gain muscle easier because of their genetics than other men.
	Yes, some men have.
	But my argument would be when you're looking at elite athletes, the best male athletes will always predominate over the best female athletes.
	Like you have a woman who used to play in the WNBA.
	If LeBron James played in the WNBA, he could probably fucking smoke, play solo against the WNBA and fucking smoke them.
	Yeah, this is the question I would actually like to pose.
	In the WNBA, I'm assuming that you were competing with women who weren't all your exact height.
	Can we make that assumption?
	Yeah.
	Do you know, like, generally, the lower end of that scale?
	This is okay.
	This is irrelevant, but probably like five, six to six, eight.
	If you were to do a 1v1 match with a 5'6 woman, do you think that you would have a genetic advantage?
	Maybe, maybe not in some ways, because she probably would be quicker in some ways.
	That is not, she's going to be quicker in some ways, but that's not, that's not the question.
	The question is, I'm a 6'6 female, right?
	I have been the best of the best at every level since high school.
	When I was the best of the best in high school, what did I do?
	I went down to the rec and I played against average guys.
	Why?
	Because they were stronger than me.
	They were faster than me.
	They were bigger than me, but they could compete against me.
	Even though I was the best of the best, they were average guys.
	The best of the best women's college basketball teams, they compete against average guys.
	They practice against average guys.
	Why?
	Because the guys make us better.
	Same with the pros.
	We compete against not pro guys, average guys.
	Why?
	Because they're stronger, faster, and they make us better.
	So one thing related to that: so if she was competing against a 5'8 professional male NBA player, even though she's you're six foot six, that 5'8 player would probably beat her.
	I mean, look, basketball is a team.
	Basketball is a team game, but like in a one-on-one.
	So currently, I just Googled this.
	The shortest player currently in the NW, and excuse me, NWA.
	That's a fucking NBA.
	Excuse me.
	I'm thinking about rap for some reason.
	The shortest player currently in the NBA is Yuki Kawamura of the Memphis Grizzlies.
	He's five foot eight.
	He would, he's probably like she's retired, right?
	He would beat probably the best female NBA player.
	I don't care how tall she is.
	Men and women are just built different.
	Like men and women, and you know, we see this in not just the NBA, we see this in soccer, for example, or football in Europe.
	They will take the women's national team here, the U.S. professional women's team.
	This is the hot, the most elite best women soccer players.
	They will compete against under 15 boy teams.
	Like, so the best under 15.
	They will lose, shut out, like eight to zero.
	The boys will beat the professional adult women.
	We see this in all kinds of sports.
	Men are just, they're stronger.
	They have, and it's just, it's physiological.
	Yes.
	I've never denied that.
	Right.
	My question here is: why is that where we draw the line?
	No one has ever cared about genetic advantages before.
	It has never been a question before.
	Because it's across the board with men and women.
	We're talking about men and women.
	It's across the board.
	Men are at a much higher threshold of strength.
	But here's, we can, let's take sports off the table for a quick second because you made a claim that doesn't, another claim that doesn't make any sense to me.
	And you're saying it doesn't hurt anybody.
	How do you know it doesn't hurt anybody, them being affirming their identity?
	I'll give you a quick story.
	I travel a lot for work.
	I went through, and you know how in the airport, women get searched from women by women, men get searched by men, right?
	So I go through the alarm, I alarm, my pants alarm, and so they need to, you know, touch me in the private areas.
	Now, the woman who comes to search me is very clearly a man, was very clearly born a man who put on a wig and some lipstick, right?
	So this woman is coming to search me in my private areas.
	What did quote unquote she ask me?
	Would you like me to do it out here or take you back there?
	Because that's what they do when they have to search you in the private areas.
	In that moment, I had a choice.
	I had to decide: okay, I see this person as a man.
	She, he, really, sees himself as a woman.
	It's very obvious what he was born as.
	As someone who has experienced sexual assault in the past, I know that allowing myself to be pat down in this area by a physical man is probably going to trigger something.
	But I have to decide: okay, so am I allowed for myself to be touched in this way by a physical man?
	Or am I going to say, no, thank you, realizing that that means that I'm not affirming whoever he thinks he is and potentially causing some type of mental disturbance.
	His rights, whose rights are more important, his rights or my rights to be frisked by a woman.
	Sure.
	Now, I completely understand where you're coming from.
	I would like to make it clear my initial point that I have now restated a couple times is so long as it does not cause harm to yourself or others, I believe that I would like to affirm people.
	That is a situation where it explicitly does cause harm to you.
	People have trauma from things.
	People can't control their traumatic reactions.
	Regardless, even if you did believe that she was a woman, then it still could cause something because you're aware that she was born a man, right?
	And you are completely within your right to ask for someone else.
	There is nothing wrong with that.
	It's not about affirming their gender.
	I do, however, think that when you're telling this story, it's very unnecessary to get like just rude about it.
	When you say that, you know, he's a man who put on a wig and lipstick.
	You're more than welcome.
	You are more than welcome to not refer to her as a woman.
	It's none of my business.
	People hold their own opinions.
	However, I think to intentionally throw in comments that cause no purpose other than to be hateful is at that point just rude, just negative.
	Wait, that is valuable and now she's hateful.
	Oh, no, but I do think that if I ask something, he's literally, hold on.
	He's literally, he was literally a man who put on a wig and lipstick.
	That's not a fact, just so that's a fact.
	He was born a man, put on a wig and lipstick, and decided to call himself a woman.
	And because of that, I'm supposed to let him go in between my legs in front of me.
	I explicitly said that you should ask for someone else.
	Right.
	You said I could ask for somebody else.
	But in his mind and in his employer's mind, it was okay because he's now a woman.
	And you're able to ask for someone else.
	But I wasn't being hateful.
	I was saying a fact.
	But now you're calling me hateful because I stated a fact.
	I'm saying that after you have explicitly made it clear that she was a trans woman, you've said that you don't believe that she's a real woman.
	That's all fair.
	That is none of my business.
	But the statement that you made, it didn't convey any information.
	It didn't progress the story.
	It didn't prove a point.
	It was purely put in there to offend someone.
	So now you're assuming my intention of why.
	What other purpose did that statement serve?
	You were assuming my intention.
	Can I ask for your intention then?
	So I'm not assuming to describe this person.
	You already had very well.
	In your opinion.
	In your opinion, I described him very well.
	But you cannot assume my intention as why I put in that detail of that story.
	Okay.
	And so for you to say, oh, well, we should affirm, that's the problem.
	Is that whose rights come first?
	Because he, you just told me I was hateful for not affirming him and to say that he was wearing, I'm sorry, to say that he was wearing a wig and some lipstick.
	You just said I was hateful.
	So what is to stop him from saying that because I don't affirm his choice to be a woman and ask for someone else, what is to stand in the way of him saying then I am hateful about that in that way?
	He is more than she is more than welcome to have whatever opinion she would like about it.
	Again, same as the abortion.
	You said that.
	At the end of the day, everyone is going to have whatever opinions they want about you, and that cannot rule your own self-perception in the same way that you don't believe she's a woman, it should not rule her self-perception, right?
	You are more than entitled to your own opinion.
	I'm not telling you you have to affirm her gender.
	That's not what I said.
	My claim was just that unnecessary rude comments.
	It's not, we don't need to do it.
	But I think that you are more than welcome to not view her as a woman.
	It's none of my business.
	Lol Paladin's donated $200.
	Yo, sorry for the delay on this.
	Sorry for the delay.
	Put on your hijab and stop socializing with men outside of your family if you want to identify as Syrian.
	You enjoy your Starbucks pink drink just like every other basic blonde joyful.
	Now that's a rude comment.
	We can agree on that one.
	Say the fact I don't think it's a real comment.
	It's a rude comment, but then that was kind of rude.
	Okay, we can do a compromise there.
	Sorry for the delays, guys.
	Ladies, are you really going to sit there and let a woman compare Charlie Kirk to Hitler?
	Step up.
	Defend human decency.
	Charlie was a good and honorable man regardless if you agreed with him or not.
	I think some of the girls did kind of scoff at the Hitler comparison for Charlie Kirk.
	I would like to say.
	We just moved on.
	I have a question.
	I'm sorry, I would very quickly like to just say, as frustrating as it is getting to repeat myself constantly, I did start that argument by saying explicitly I am not comparing the two, and that is not my intention.
	I really don't want to have to keep saying the same things.
	But why did you invoke it if you weren't trying to draw some sort of comparison?
	Again, as I have already explained, once more, as I have already explained, I think three times now, the question was brought up so that I could understand if you believed that there is a threshold of evil someone can reach to justify assassination.
	That was why I was curious.
	Which you were using to say that Charlie Kirk crosses into the threshold of no, I was wondering, because the thing is, if you would argue, no, there is no threshold, then there's no point in that discussion.
	I would understand where you're coming from on that, and I would understand that we can't come to terms there, right?
	Because I think that there is a threshold, right?
	But we agreed on it.
	So then that led into a different conversation.
	It was not in order to make a point.
	It wasn't to make a claim on Kirk's morality.
	It didn't serve any of those purposes.
	But I guess my confusion there, isn't it just granted and a given that, I mean, perhaps it's worthy of an inquiry, but isn't it just kind of like basic common knowledge that most people would say, yes, there is a threshold.
	Like, for example, need I ask you, do you think most people enjoy breathing air?
	Okay.
	Like, is that even a question worthy at?
	What we have to understand is the conversation beforehand was leading to a place where I became unsure if we were agreeing on that point.
	And if we had disagreed, that's okay.
	I just was becoming unsure of your stance on it, and I...
	Well, there are people monstrous enough that, yes, there is justification for killing them.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Some people would disagree with that, believe it or not.
	Like, for example, here's a threshold, self-defense.
	If somebody's trying to kill you, you can kill them.
	Yes.
	And then in wartime, yeah, the whole concept of war is we try to kill your soldiers, your leaders, you try to kill our soldiers.
	Like that, that's the basis of war.
	Charlie Kirk is a civilian.
	He's not a soldier.
	I understand.
	It's not wartime.
	He's a citizen of the United States.
	So drawing this comparison of, well, okay, if there's a belligerent outside nation and army, it's completely incomparable.
	Now, if you were to tell me, like, you could ask me, Brian, is there anyone in the United States who you think I'm trying to think?
	If there's anyone in the, well, obviously there's certain people who are like on death row and they've committed like provably committed atrocious atrocities.
	Sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied here.
	But even then, I'm actually, in some ways, I'm actually kind of, I do object to some degree to the death penalty.
	So I have objections there, but I mean, these are very different things.
	My objection to the death penalty, even though there are some people who, you know, conceivably do deserve to be put to death for the crimes they've provably committed, my concern with the death penalty is there are people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes.
	There are people who have been put to death who did not commit the crime.
	And so I think under that basis, like, look, if you put someone in prison, obviously it's terrible if they didn't actually commit the crime.
	They're wrongfully convicted.
	Terrible.
	But at least we can free them.
	You know, we can come back from that.
	Death is final.
	So, if we put someone to death who didn't commit the crime, there's no coming back from that.
	That is a major injustice.
	So, that's my justification for being against the death penalty.
	But again, it's not wartime.
	Charlie Kirk is a citizen of the United States.
	He's not a soldier.
	He's not even a politician.
	He has, well, he had massive amounts of political influence.
	Anyways, here, I need to shift it back because we've been talking about some of this stuff too long.
	We got to talk to some of the other panelists here.
	We have some chats coming through, though.
	Sharky McSharkface.
	Stop saying pro-choice.
	That implies you support everyone's freedom to make choices about anything in general, such as getting abortions, vaxes, guns.
	It's just pro-abortion, not pro-choice.
	Okay.
	Well, I think it's fair when you're having these conversations to use the term that the other side or the side, how they want to be referenced as.
	So in this case, pro-choice people want to be referred to as pro-choice.
	Pro-life people want to be called pro-life.
	So I don't think it's fair to do this biased thing where, okay, well, you're pro-murdering babies and I'm not.
	You know, it's like you have to be charitable and grant the title or the label or whatever.
	Otherwise, the other side would just say, well, you're not pro-life.
	You're pro-restricting women's bodies or whatever, some bullshit like that.
	So you got to be charitable to both sides.
	Okay, we have Charles Sterling.
	It never mattered before because we never had men trying to compete in women's sports or going into women's bathrooms in the past.
	Also, by the way, the men's division is open.
	It's not the if you're a woman and you want to compete with men, there's actually nothing barring women competing for men.
	It's just the reality that they can't.
	Okay.
	They can't.
	If women aren't choosing to compete against men, I'm not going to tell them to.
	You do acknowledge, though, if we're looking at world records, gold medalists in the Olympics, for example.
	For example, a lot of these sports, men's in races, sprint, for example, men who don't even qualify to run in the Olympics would get gold medals if they competed against women.
	I cannot imagine that is true.
	I understand they have genetic advantages.
	You know the website I'm talking about?
	Oh, Nick's on it.
	So this is track and field and swimming.
	There's other stuff too.
	So this is boysverswomen.com.
	Yeah, so male high.
	This is comparing just male high school athletes versus female Olympians.
	So these are elite level women versus top high school athletes.
	If boys win against the fastest women, is it fair for males to compete in female-only athletics?
	So you see the columns there, boys, women.
	Those are all the medals that high school boys would steal from women if those high school boys.
	Based on.
	Why aren't you chiming in?
	Wait, like histograms placing.
	Wait, wait.
	It's not just based on like conjecture and random like things.
	I'm genuinely asking.
	What is this based on?
	So do you know when you do, okay, really simple.
	You know when you do a race and they have a timer?
	Yes.
	And they keep a record.
	Hold on.
	There's literally, it's not just like vibes and feel good, feel goodsies.
	Yes.
	They keep robust records of race times.
	So they hit the stopwatch.
	Yes.
	I understand how stopwatch.
	Do you realize time is an objective measurement?
	Yeah.
	So is this all just to say that they're faster?
	This is all to say that that's based on their time.
	They're faster.
	They're stronger.
	Well, no, I understand.
	I'm saying my answer to the question is just that it's based on their running times.
	There's also higher hurdles for men.
	There's also bigger balls for them, longer fields, bigger courts.
	I feel the need to reiterate.
	Let's just say that we separated populations in the way that we separate men and women by people who have super long legs and people who don't.
	Do you think one of those groups can jump higher?
	Yes, probably, right?
	And they probably shouldn't compete in the same division.
	But we're not separating people based off of that, even if they have a huge advantage.
	We actually do.
	We separate them by grade level.
	We separate them by age.
	We separate them by weight class.
	Exactly.
	So are you trying to tell me?
	I'm sorry.
	Are you trying to tell me that that means, say, oh, I don't know the Olympic scoring?
	Do you know how prideful it is to actually argue with a pro athlete about this who spent their entire life?
	Yes, I understand, but I don't think that that gives her total and complete jurisdiction over genetic disadvantages and advantages.
	No, it just doesn't.
	She lived it.
	First-hand anecdotal experience.
	And she said that she played against men.
	She also made the claim that a 5'6 man would beat her in a game, which I don't think he would.
	I've played many men.
	He might not.
	But that man is an average man.
	Let's frame it like that.
	And I am far from an average woman.
	Let's frame it like this.
	Question for you.
	I think.
	So she one sec.
	She would, she, guys, okay, what?
	You want to talk about fucking fucking horrors and shit?
	Whatever.
	This is an interesting.
	This is more interesting.
	So, anyways, to your point, I think she could beat some men who are 5'8.
	Absolutely she could.
	And have.
	Be funny.
	But here's the question.
	She was an elite level WNBA player.
	Could she beat a 5'8 ⁇ NBA player?
	The answer to that is no.
	And would you agree with that?
	Yes, I would agree with that.
	And I would also agree that, yes, I, as an elite athlete, I am going to beat some average men and have.
	But is your average 5'8 woman going to beat your average 5'8 man?
	No.
	It is going to take a higher level of woman as far as athleticism.
	Like Serena Williams is going to go to your average tennis court and beat every man there.
	But she's Serena Williams.
	Like, your average woman is not going to do that.
	Also, yeah, and she's one of the best female players.
	But if she was ranked among the men, and she admitted this herself, Serena, was it Venus or Serena?
	I don't know which one.
	The sisters.
	She would rank like 400.
	If she was ranking with the men, she said, oh yeah, I would maybe rank in the 400s.
	Then why aren't trans people dominating?
	Trans people are competing and they are not dominating.
	Wait, there are examples of trans people dominating.
	There are examples of trans people winning.
	Many trans people are losing.
	The trans people in sports who are not dominating at their sport aren't being spoken about because they aren't used as ammunition.
	I'm letting her final thought for her, then I got to move it on.
	I got to get, I got to go ahead.
	So I am definitely more left-leaning in my ideologies, but I do have to agree.
	I have been boxing since I was fighting around since I was around nine years old.
	And one time I sparred my fiancé, and it went on for about 45 minutes, and I was bedridden for about two weeks.
	And my technique, there's nothing.
	Well, of course, there's flaws within my technique.
	But regarding fighting, I am a better fighter and he beat my ass.
	And he had only like one year of boxing experience.
	So like men do have the upper hand, like biological males absolutely do have the upper hand within sparring and sports in general.
	And I feel that maybe we should not be mixing the two biologically because I do feel as a fighter myself and an athlete, it's not fair.
	Also for combat sports like her, it's not just somebody else wins the medal.
	She goes up against a trans woman, but that person could still reasonably have like the physiology, perhaps a slightly weakened state of the physiology of a male.
	She's getting broken orbital bones.
	She's literally going, it's literally harming certain combat athletes if you allow them to compete against a man.
	Two things I would like to say on that.
	I'm not going to speak on combat sports because I think that that is purely strength based.
	And when it's purely strength based, I'm not going to claim that I like, obviously people still have genetic advantages and disadvantages.
	Like just forget strength.
	Sure.
	Combat sports, I'm not making a claim on whether or not what's going on there.
	But I would also like to say, I would hope, obviously I've never boxed.
	I don't know how boxing works, but my understanding of it is it's an athlete's responsibility to understand the force that they are using and to not actually seriously harm people.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	The literal.
	Do you think that they're going to kill each other?
	People are capable of killing each other.
	When you're in an action There's a difference between sparring And we're talking about sparring Are we not?
	Well, no, no, no, no.
	I said I will not comment on whether or not they should be actually competing.
	Hold on, no, no, no.
	But to your point about, well, don't the boxers and UFC fighters, aren't they like holding back?
	No.
	I did not reference UFC fights.
	We were discussing sparring.
	I'm discussing her fight.
	No, no, no, no, you're talking about, no.
	Sure.
	Obviously in sparring, you shouldn't be trying to hurt your sparring partner.
	But when it's an actual fight, they're trying to knock you out.
	Yeah, which is a different conversation that I said I will not comment on.
	Why would you even... I wanted to say the fact that...
	Oh, you're walking this back so much.
	Sure.
	In UFC, I don't care if you're a female fighter, male fighter.
	The goal is to, I mean, you're trying to hurt the person because if I can knock this person out and give, and by extension, give them brain damage, or if I can, you know, fucking like pretty much destroy their knee, the fight's over.
	They can't potentially give me brain damage.
	So in combat sports, the stakes are massive.
	Yes, these people are punching with the full force in an effort.
	This person needs to be on the ground.
	I'm going to defend myself.
	So it doesn't happen to me.
	Yes, that's crazy.
	Sorry to interrupt, but I'm hopping on real quick.
	I don't know how you, what you guys think sparring is, but like that's you go all out.
	At least my gym makes me.
	I remember one time, Ellie, if you're watching, hello, I made my sparring partner Ellie throw up.
	And then another time she almost gave me a damn near concussion.
	You have to tell them also that they have to have you matched with, like, if Ellie were to sit out or not be there, she can't sparrow.
	I can't spar.
	Like, it's even.
	Some people do like go full-blown.
	That's what we have to, yeah.
	But typically, you know, I'd say typically with combat sports, when you're sparring, you know, people will pull their punches a bit.
	But also in combat sports, the UFC specifically, they're like, you keep going until the ref pulls you off.
	So you'll see a guy in the UFC, for example, like the guy is clearly close to being incapacitated or is knocked out.
	You'll see the guys, you know, because they need to make sure they finish the fight.
	Because there are situations where they think they get the knockout.
	They do some big walk off and it's like, nope, the fights keeps going.
	Then he ends up getting knocked out.
	In the UFC, the guys will continue punching until the ref pulls them off.
	Now, some guys will demonstrate some degree of sportsmanship and be like, okay, I've clearly knocked this person out.
	It's over.
	But you'll often see the guys keep punching until the ref ends the fight.
	I gotta move it on, though.
	Gotta move it on.
	Capture 13 donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Chair 3, Rachel Golave Zal is a white woman who identified as a black woman.
	She even curled her hair and got a nice spray tan.
	She's not physically harming anyone, but do you say she is black?
	Wasn't she with the NAACP?
	Didn't she have like a high-level job in the NAACP?
	Yes.
	Rachel Dolzal.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, well, I know the answer.
	Do you know who that is?
	I don't understand what this is about.
	There was a white woman named Rachel Dolziel, and she identified as a black woman.
	And so she got her hair done.
	She was white, white.
	She was like legit white.
	Blonde.
	And she got otherwise.
	Yeah.
	And she's blackfishing.
	Yeah, she basically decided she was black and decided to play the role of a black woman and got a job at the NDACP or something like that.
	And then she was found out.
	So she's still the same, though.
	She hasn't changed at all.
	She's still, it's wild.
	I'm currently read the chats that come through.
	And I'll tell you which ones.
	It's going to be the hundreds and ups.
	So you're going to read this one, okay?
	Okay.
	Chair three, what the hell are you talking about?
	Women's sports leagues exist because of exactly this concern about sorry, genetic advantage.
	Sports class systems all address various, I'm so sorry, physic advantages.
	Physio advantages.
	Okay.
	I think that we have covered this very well.
	We've covered it.
	Charles.
	You know my opinions on that.
	If you disagree with that, that's a good idea.
	Also, I do want to give you credit.
	You've been a good sport.
	Oh, I'm having fun.
	No, it's been good.
	Sometimes people might feel like, uh-oh, I'm like the only dissenting opinion here.
	You've been.
	Oh, that's okay.
	I love to argue.
	You've been very good faith and a good sport with these conversations.
	So credit to you for that.
	Oh, wait.
	This one just came up.
	My bad.
	We already read this one, right?
	Yeah.
	It doesn't have.
	My bad.
	Yeah.
	Here, we have Jay Nico coming in here.
	One sec.
	Here, I'll just read this one.
	Brian, do not let her walk back her position.
	I'm not going to compare him to Hitler, but I am going to compare him to Hitler.
	This thought process is evil and needs to be shamed out of society.
	I'm not going to reiterate myself.
	I started.
	You did bring up Hitler.
	I started.
	I started that before I even made that comparison.
	started with the fact that i'm not comparing them i like i said that before i made that comparison I'm sorry.
	We have to.
	Unfortunately, we have to get over the minor wording of things.
	Like, next time you stutter, do you want me to sit here and go clearly you don't believe what you're saying?
	That's your question.
	Do you know how some people say, like, I'm not a racist, but or you know what I mean?
	I'm not sure.
	If I had said I'm not going to compare them and then I went on to compare them, then yeah, that's hypocritical.
	I personally don't think I did.
	If you disagree, go at it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	We have a very, very polite message here.
	Oh, that sounds good.
	Okay.
	You get to read this one.
	Ask Chair 3, her big kitten titties make her a female.
	He hee hee hee hee.
	It changed.
	It changed ass to God.
	Go for it.
	Thanks.
	Freak.
	Oh, shit.
	John, she called you a freak, dude.
	Oh, shit.
	How much did he donate just to say that?
	I'm kind of curious.
	I don't get it.
	I think it was a $100 super chat.
	Hope it was worth it.
	It was so worth it.
	Weakest man can win against the strongest woman in a particular competition with training, period.
	My stance on this is clear.
	We've been over it enough times.
	I'm done saying the same shit.
	Do you think, generally speaking, men are stronger than women?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you think the strongest man in the world is stronger than the strongest woman in the world?
	Very likely, yes.
	Do you think the top hundred strongest men in the world are stronger than the top hundred strongest women in the world?
	Very likely, yes.
	Do you think the hundred fastest men in the world are faster than the hundred fastest women in the world?
	Probably.
	All right.
	My argument is that we don't cherry-pick genetic disadvantages or genetic advantages until it comes to sex.
	Right.
	We accept.
	Well, of course, you realize some people are born disabled, right?
	Yes.
	Right, so but we accept that level of threshold.
	What do you mean?
	What I'm saying is, is that we understand that in sporting events, like it's not a participation trophy scenario.
	Yes.
	Like clearly, there are people, either through their hard work, their training, genetics, a combination of all the above, that they're going to, they're going to be the cream of the crop.
	They're going to rise to the top.
	Where are those sunglasses that girl had?
	Fuck.
	I need the show, man, Randy Savage.
	Anyway, it's a meme that probably nobody here knows, but I know.
	So, yeah, we understand this, and we just accept that, yeah, there's going to be men who are better or stronger or whatever, but there are just those differentials.
	So we're like, okay, well, men have such an advantage over women that that's going to be where we're going to separate the two.
	I understand our disagreement.
	But if there's a woman who's so exceptional, again, there's all these male leagues, like the NFL, like if there's a fucking killer woman, isn't there a female kicker in the.
	I don't know.
	Was there a female kicker?
	College.
	In the NFL or was it college?
	College, I think.
	College one time, I think.
	Okay.
	Well, we know what.
	Anyways.
	But no, I'm telling you, if there was a woman who was some fucking freak and she was better than the men, they would let her play.
	They'd let her play.
	There's no bar to women.
	Men's division has always been the open division.
	For women, it's just.
	Sir, I do just want to clarify because I'm not sure we're on the same page.
	We just specified that a woman was playing in a college football team.
	I think as a kicker.
	I don't know, football positions.
	That was like a genuine question.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I'm.
	Okay. Okay. Okay.
	Good talk.
	I like your little soundboard.
	Thank you.
	I got more here.
	What should I do?
	What's your favorite one?
	Oh, my favorite one?
	I don't know, actually.
	I'm not sure.
	Okay, we have a chat.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Kablask.
	Holy shit, dude.
	Oh, wow.
	Blaze donated $999.
	Here's a champagne pop in honor of the life of Charlie Kirk.
	Praying for you and Andrew's safety after watching the stream the other night.
	We need you and Andrew more than ever now.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Yo, dudes, good to see you, man.
	Thank you so much for your support, man.
	You're fucking legend.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let's play this.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	You're a pioneer, sir.
	Kablask.
	Where you been, bro?
	Your girlfriend, Prithilla, she misses you, dude.
	You know what?
	Just for simplicity.
	Wait.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I'm just going to take.
	Wait, which one's that?
	I'll do this one.
	I'll do the California.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	While I'm figuring this out, I want to.
	Can I get the paper towel, please?
	I want to, I don't know.
	I want to go to Violetrix.
	Why don't you tell us about your stuff that you do?
	What would you like to know exactly?
	I don't know.
	I'm kind of preoccupied with the champagne bottle, so take it away.
	I'm a cyber finom.
	My clients, I've been doing it for 20 years, since she was an infant.
	My clients are C-suite executive men.
	They're doctors, lawyers, surgeons, famous athletes.
	And I dominate them.
	95% of them are married.
	Probably 80% of them are lawyers, in-house lawyers or corporate lawyers, litigation lawyers, doesn't matter.
	For some reason, it's lawyers.
	And they are into everything from tease and denial to cissification, where they put on panties underneath their suits and go run board meetings.
	And it's a real thing.
	There's CBT, cock and ball torture, there's all sorts of things.
	But it's legitimate.
	It's not, I fell into this.
	And okay.
	That's.
	Do we have cups, by the way?
	Oh, Felicity, can you grab those?
	It's little known unless you're understood.
	I didn't even know that was a thing, honestly.
	Those of you financially.
	Do you want champagne?
	Yeah.
	Champagne?
	No, thank you.
	Champagne?
	Champagne?
	No, thanks.
	Champagne?
	No, thank you.
	Hey, it's a party, you and me.
	I'm like, does it mess on the show if you don't have it?
	Is it the cook or the Andre?
	Are just two of them?
	Oh, shit.
	I mean, I have really funny stories.
	Like, I said, if we're going to tell any story, we want to tell the Jerkin' for Jesus story.
	I guess we should, then, Nick, if nobody else.
	Does anybody just want sparkling cider?
	No, thanks, Sonny.
	Yes.
	Just tell the.
	Hold on, don't drink it yet.
	Don't drink it yet.
	Here, read this one for me.
	Oh, yes.
	Sparkling cider.
	Yeah, just share three.
	You've got to be the dumbest.
	Everything anyone has said has gone straight over your head.
	The hamster upstairs might be hibernating.
	She reads at a fifth grade level.
	I'm just read that far.
	I know it's far.
	I'm just teasing you.
	I'm teasing white.
	I know.
	I'm teasing you.
	I like that I'm such a hit.
	We're getting, since we have some people who are underage, can't drink, we're getting them sparkling non-alcoholic cider.
	Felicity, I'm going to put you in charge of pouring, okay?
	Wait, is that like apple cider?
	Yeah, it's non-alcoholic.
	It's just apple cider.
	Apple cider?
	Yes.
	All right, there we go.
	So, one, two, three, four, five, six.
	Six cups for them.
	Six cups for them.
	I'm sorry.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We are going.
	Okay.
	We are going to.
	One sec, guys.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Yes.
	I really like this.
	Is it paper?
	All right.
	We're doing.
	Oh, no.
	They were no-shows, scumbags.
	Oh, let's go while we're figuring this out.
	Nick, let's pull up the fucking no-show.
	I got some beef.
	Pull up the no-show.
	The DM.
	Yeah, pull that shit up.
	Pull it up.
	Oh, I'm not sure who else is.
	So this message was sent.
	Oh.
	Apple cider?
	Hey, be quiet.
	If you guys please can be quiet, please.
	Please be quiet, please.
	She sent this 15 minutes before call time.
	I won't be attending your requirements or actually I need a woman to read this.
	I won't be attending.
	Go for it.
	Into the mic, into the mic.
	I won't be attending.
	Your requirements around controlling women's outfits, banning phones, not allowing an extra guest for support, prohibiting eating, and expecting six to eight hours of unpaid labor are unsafe.
	Exploitative.
	Thank you.
	Exploitative and misogynistic.
	This reduces women to props rather than valuing their voices, and I will not participate in this.
	Notice the what is that dash called?
	Is it the double the M dash?
	This chick fucking chat GPT this fucking message, bro.
	Look at that.
	I actually was gonna say dumbass sex worker.
	No offense to you guys.
	No offense to you guys.
	She's a fucking prostitute.
	They don't use M dashes, okay?
	No offense.
	Don't take it personally.
	You guys don't use M dashes in normal fucking conversation, okay?
	So look, don't hate the player, hate the game.
	So first off, let me address these one by one.
	We don't control the women's outfits.
	In our pre-show message, we ask if they can provide, and most women fucking either don't read it or whatever.
	We ask if they could provide some outfit options so that we can give input.
	Women can wear whatever they want, really, although sometimes we want outfit options because if they're going to wear something that is potentially against TOS, sometimes we've had to tape over like words that are TOS.
	We want to give input so a woman doesn't have to show up to the podcast and change her look.
	And we do like to give input on outfits.
	Most of the women never send it though.
	Maybe they just don't read the fucking things.
	Next point.
	She's lying.
	Banning phones.
	We don't allow people to have their phones at the table because if we did allow people to have phones at the table, they would not be participating and listening to the conversation and engaging in the conversation.
	They'd be on their phone.
	Oh, sorry, I was looking.
	Can you repeat the question?
	It's disruptive to the flow of the show.
	People have had conversations before phones existed.
	The phones, if somebody ever wants to Google anything, if somebody ever wants to Google, fact check anything, we will look into it if they ask for it.
	And if somebody really wants to, they can go fucking back behind the scenes and check their phones.
	Also, nothing about the phones is in the pre-show notes.
	No, no.
	So somehow she had some like intel for some reason.
	Mind you, this chick asked to be on the show.
	She asked to be on the show.
	And she was going to come with a female friend too.
	So she, this was a malicious no-show.
	Not allowing an extra guest for support.
	Now that's funny because she was coming with her female friend who also, by extension, flaked on the show.
	No-showed.
	We have four women here who are on the panel who all know each other.
	They all came together.
	So this idea that we try to isolate women and we not true at all.
	Women can come on the show.
	They can come with a female friend.
	In our pre-show notes, what we say is we have a no-guest policy.
	So that means you can have a girlfriend or two girlfriends come on the panel with you, but you can't have your fucking manager and your fucking your fucking meth plug hanging out in the fucking back, fucking making noise and causing trouble.
	And we have limited space in the studio.
	So we can't, and we have, think about it this way, let's say we have nine women coming on the show and they all want to bring a guest.
	All of a sudden, we got fucking 15 people behind the scenes when we don't have space for that.
	So, if it was, if it was a one-on-one podcast, yeah, you could bring a guest to kick it behind the scenes.
	But nine people, we can't have, we can't double, we don't have space for that many people to just be kicking it behind the scenes, going in the bathroom when other people need to use the bathroom, making all kinds of noise, being disruptive, whatever.
	And also, security, there's a security concern too.
	If we allow, if we have a just open guest policy, then that just doubles our time where we're doing our security, all that shit.
	Is she entitled to this much of an explanation?
	Yeah, fuck that chick.
	Pull it back up.
	Let me debunk.
	So we, oh, she was coming with her friend, prohibiting eating.
	Not true.
	We don't prohibit eating.
	In fact, I got all of you guys pizza, which we're about to dig into in just a moment.
	And we have, we got snacks back there.
	We got fruit.
	We got little bars you can eat.
	We got little snacks, whatever.
	We got energy drinks.
	We got water.
	We feed the guests.
	There's snacks back there.
	And we've been, we, we, it's not every single time we'll have like pizza on stream or whatever, but we've been doing it much more regularly.
	There's no, in our pre-show notes, what we write is, and you guys have all received the pre-show notes, so you can, you can verify, you can vouch for this.
	It does say eat a hearty meal before you come on the show so you don't get hungry.
	So what this means is, don't show up to the studio and you didn't have lunch or you didn't have a bite to eat before.
	It's so that you can make it through the show.
	At least maybe you get hungry towards the end, but you're not hungry coming in.
	I think that's fair.
	Like if you're about to engage in this longer podcast appearance, have a bit of food beforehand and we have snacks to hold you over until you have your next meal.
	But not barred.
	Next.
	Next.
	This whole message is entitled.
	You should see the rest because I started talking shit back to her.
	There was more.
	You didn't.
	Oh, I was fucking.
	Why would you do that?
	Oh, I called her fucking cooked and she's a fucking scumbag and all this shit.
	No.
	Yeah, I called her a fucking scumbag.
	She's engaged in that.
	She waited.
	Bro, all this shit.
	You know, we send out, we send out the pre-show notes a week before.
	This chick, she waited 15 minutes before me time.
	She did that intentionally, maliciously to fuck us over.
	She's a shill.
	All that shit, she would have known, and she asked to be on the show too.
	She's a shill.
	Who did you piss off?
	Who's she fronting for?
	I don't know, but pulled that shit back up.
	Unpaid labor.
	She asked to be on the show.
	She asked to be on the show.
	She knew what the fucking deal was.
	Unsafe, exploitate.
	Oh, it's unsafe.
	Oh, my God.
	I might be, my tummy might rumble towards the end of the show.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm fucking unsafe.
	You're going to fucking starve to.
	We've had a thousand motherfucking guests on the, a thousand plus guests on the show.
	Ain't nobody starved to death in the fucking whatever studio, okay?
	Nobody's fucking starved to death.
	These fucking chicks are fucking cooked.
	Exaggerators, false accusers.
	Oh, it's unsafe to be in the fucking studio.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Pull up the other fucking shit.
	This fucking cooked lady.
	EXO, IT'S EXPLOITATIVE!
	This is the fucking feminist bullshit fucking...
	She's got her 15...
	Fucking spin fucking language and misogynistic.
	Oh my God, it's misogynistic not to feed people.
	No, that's just called fucking torture, bitch.
	Okay, secondly.
	She's definitely a feminist.
	Secondly, thirdly, fourthly, pull it back up.
	Pull it back up.
	Fucking, how's it, what does anything, what does this have to do with misogyny?
	I tell, I give, oh, the outfits really quick.
	Controlling women's outfits.
	We say, by the way, most of y'all obviously didn't read that shit.
	We say, don't wear black.
	Don't wear black.
	Oh, please do your dissertation about it.
	We say, look, we say things like, if you're going to wear a dress or a skirt, wear like boy shorts underneath so your fucking vag doesn't slip out.
	Oh, that's misogynistic controlling women's bodies.
	No, bitch, I just don't want your fucking pussy on camera, bitch.
	Fuck.
	God damn, this fucking cooked bitch.
	And then, sorry, sis, sis, sorry.
	And then, hold on.
	Sorry, sorry.
	I'm fucking crashing out, boys.
	No, it's oh, I'm trying to control a woman's body.
	No, I'm looking out for you so your fucking pussy ain't out on fucking camera.
	You fucking, oh my god, bro.
	What else?
	What's some of the other shit, bro?
	I say, I say, we give color recommendations.
	Wear these colors.
	I'm saying, wear these colors.
	What else do I say?
	I say, oh, we say don't wear hats.
	Don't wear hats.
	No heels because we, yes, to take your shoes off anyway, so what the fuck?
	It doesn't matter.
	Wear some comfortable shit.
	We don't want you guys tripping on your way up.
	It's fucking liability.
	What else?
	What is it like?
	Oh my god.
	Show protocols.
	It's just show protocols.
	Oh, we say, what was some of the other?
	She's just fucking cooked.
	Pull it up one more time.
	Let me see if this feels.
	Isn't this overkill?
	This reduces women to props rather than valuing their voices.
	I would not participate.
	You asked to be on the show, you fucking cooked, degenerate, fucking retard.
	Sorry, but she's a fucking you're making her famous.
	What are you doing, bro?
	Yeah, you give her the time of day, right?
	Yeah, someone's gonna find that screenshot.
	They're gonna Google a reverse image search.
	She's gonna get famous.
	Don't pull it up yet, Nick.
	Chat.
	I'm gonna let the chat decide.
	Do we pull up her fucking Instagram?
	You're gonna make a face.
	Oh my god, I wanted to know.
	Oh, no.
	I'm nosy.
	Wait, don't pull it up, Nick.
	Don't pull it up.
	Chat, do we pull up her dumbass fucking Instagram?
	She's some fucking dumbass Australian chick.
	If you pull it up, there's gonna be more people ghosting you so that you pull up your channel.
	No, this is fucking accountability, bro.
	She did this shit on purpose.
	She did this shit on purpose because she had days to be like, you know what, Brian, I don't really, whatever.
	I don't fuck with your show.
	I'm not coming on.
	15 minutes before call time.
	15 minutes before call time, ate up two seats.
	I mean, look, we overbooked, so fuck her.
	We made it work, right?
	I feel you're ruminating.
	I feel you're ruminating.
	Hey, look, look, I'm just, I get that these chicks don't like the show or whatever, but it's about professionalism.
	Yeah, it's like, look, if you're intentionally holding back, and I look, you guys all know, I sent a reminder on Friday.
	I sent a reminder yesterday.
	I sent all the pre-show a week ago.
	So it's not just like I'm texting y'all the day of, hey, you still coming?
	No, it's like a plan.
	We got a fucking plan.
	Brian, we're losing viewers.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Get back on track.
	The views are up.
	The reviews are up.
	No, I'm not going to.
	You know, I don't know if I'm going to pull up her shit, but.
	Don't make her famous, Brian.
	Don't do it.
	I don't know.
	What time?
	What happened?
	Did anybody teach you manners?
	Okay.
	My bad.
	Elbows.
	Elbows on the table.
	Okay, that's great.
	Do we, chat?
	Do we, I don't know.
	Do it.
	Do we?
	No.
	No, I don't think so.
	Do you know how much you'd have to pay for that exposure?
	Even bad exposure is exposure.
	Yeah.
	It's true.
	Don't give her attention.
	Just let him do it.
	I don't think he should do it, but if she wants to do it.
	Oh, is he going to ruminate more?
	Are we going to be an hour from now and be like, and then you should have to do it?
	Oh, wait, we have to do the chair.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, it was long ago.
	We've been drinking since to Kleblask, Kleblaska.
	Thank you for the champagne pop.
	The rest of the girls have salute to them.
	Yeah.
	Damn, stripping the ball.
	Chug, chug, chug.
	I'm not much of a drinker.
	Okay, thank you for the champagne, pop.
	Nah, we're not going to pull it up.
	But fuck that chick.
	Fuck her.
	What happens?
	They spend a certain amount of money and then we get champagne.
	Oh, and she fucked her friend over too.
	Oh, my.
	Her friend.
	Oh, my God, the rumination.
	And we're looking tasing.
	Someone tasing.
	Here's my personal drink dart.
	You know, look, I don't let things go easily.
	So, anyways, we noticed.
	But she screwed her friend who came, her friend flew out to Santa Barbara, booked a hotel.
	It's like you're screwing the friend over.
	I don't know.
	Could you send her with us, the friend?
	Well, the friend messaged us like right after, I don't know, whatever.
	She's like, you know what?
	Because my friend's not going to do it.
	I'm not going to do it either.
	And then her friend sent me that message that I pulled up.
	And I said, you know what?
	You both are fucking scumbags.
	Like, why are you asking to be on the show?
	Like, you could have figured this shit out beforehand.
	Like, why are you going to flake on somebody 15 minutes before?
	We're starting to get like, we're starting to feel badly.
	Are we not good enough, Brian?
	Did this not do it for you?
	Are you really feeling the same?
	I think I've been very entertaining.
	That's true.
	Yeah, I was.
	That's true.
	Sometimes it worked out.
	It worked out.
	So some fucking haggard.
	Yeah, it worked out.
	We don't need like some haggard ladies on the show.
	Don't worry.
	You guys are not haggard.
	All of you are great.
	They were haggard, though.
	All right.
	Anyways, here, you get to read the rest, I guess.
	I'm just kidding.
	I love those.
	Just kidding, though, they suck.
	Speaking of let's get a fit check.
	Also, panel, what's the most embarrassing dating or what is that?
	Carnival knowledge story that you can remember.
	Something that really stuck with embarrassing for you or the other.
	Josh, fit checks are 200.
	You guys send a $200 TTS for that.
	Anybody have an embarrassing dating story?
	It's embarrassing for my ex, but I really love to tell people this.
	I dated a guy in high school for two years who was beyond insane.
	But beyond all of it, he had a foot fetish, and that's fair, you know, to each their own.
	But he made me sit through a two-hour-long documentary as to the sciences of fetishes so he could prove to me that it wasn't his fault.
	It's true, it's not his fault.
	Oh, I believed him.
	You know, I believed him from when he first choose what you're trying to do.
	So you should.
	My first boyfriend had a foot fetish, too.
	Which is chill, but why are we watching?
	You got convinced.
	You know, maybe that's not that chill.
	So you got convinced then.
	Well, until what?
	Well, you watched the documentary with him and then you're like, well, okay, I guess I'll do the occupation.
	I don't remember.
	This was like, this was my first relationship ever.
	I was 14 years old.
	I was like, it was weird.
	It was weird.
	You were 14?
	I was about to say, what's wrong with men?
	I can't beat.
	And then she was like, I'm 14.
	Yeah, I was 14.
	I was like, learning what fetishes.
	I was like, 18-year-olds with the age.
	I don't know.
	Oh.
	All right.
	We got this one from Lol Paladins.
	Imagine.
	One sec, it's coming up.
	I'll tell you the one to read.
	Okay.
	Yes, sir.
	This one, go ahead.
	It's funny.
	Said she asked to be on the show.
	I believe you mean her only fans management team asked to be on the show.
	These aren't independent women.
	They are being pumped up by men.
	Same as ever.
	It's true.
	You know what's funny though?
	She's accusing me of being exploitative or whatever, but I guarantee you half the, especially this girl, because her OF, it was her company who, well, she was DMing me from her account, but her company reached out to me directly and was like, hey, these girls from Australia, they're in town.
	Can they be on the show, right?
	If you work with a management company and you do OF, you're literally committing fraud because all these girls with the fucking they got chatters and typers.
	And that's fraud.
	You're basically saying, you're talking to me.
	You're talking to Strumpet.
	You're talking to the girl, but that's false advertising.
	You're talking to some fucking fucking dude making slave wages in Bangladesh.
	You're talking to a dude, bro.
	That's forced.
	You're forcing a guy to like sex the guy.
	That's like forced.
	Not this.
	But they do it here too.
	But yeah.
	You're like forcing a dude to like be gay or whatever.
	That's like forced gayness.
	A lot of people.
	And hey, whatever.
	You're gay.
	That's cool, bro.
	But like, don't force somebody to be gay.
	Don't force a gay.
	Don't.
	I'm.
	If you're gay, cool.
	What's the whatever, bro?
	Don't force fucking simps to be gay, bro.
	Brian, you're still crashing out from the girl.
	But yeah, these fucking OF girls are the exploitative ones.
	No offense to any OF girls on the panel.
	Do anybody here?
	You do OF?
	No OF girls?
	I'd like to.
	Well, you do sex work.
	You guys do sex work.
	But at least, you know, I put at least a little respect.
	I will, you say, you know, you said you used to escort.
	No, I still do.
	Oh, okay.
	You still pass it.
	Yeah, but, you know, look, I disagree with that stuff, but I can respect it.
	It's like, here's pussy.
	It's $39.99.
	Whatever the fuck.
	I don't know how much you charge.
	Whatever.
	I get more.
	I'm not going to get a lot of them.
	Okay.
	Not $39.99.
	I don't know.
	Maybe you have coupons or some shit.
	Whatever.
	But these OF girls.
	You guys should try coupons.
	I'm just saying.
	So, anyways, I'm just saying.
	These girls on OnlyFans, though, they're fucking finessing these dudes.
	They're fucking hustling these dudes.
	And they're not even fucking, oh, girlfriend experience, but it's some fucking dude in like Thailand fucking typing.
	I'm just saying, dude, these OF girls are fucking frauds, typers, chatters.
	They got the management companies.
	You want to accuse me of exploitation?
	Because I have consensual, willing conversations with women, most of which ask to be on the show.
	Oh my God, exploitation.
	Fucking cooked.
	I feel like she had a nerve.
	Yeah.
	So I can have like major political disagreements on the show and it won't phase me whatsoever.
	But when people fuck with my time, like when it comes to like for some reason, oh, cool, back tat or whatever.
	Oh, thank you.
	I don't know.
	I think he was being facetious.
	No, whatever.
	I don't know.
	I'm the alcohol.
	I'm just saying random shit.
	Still crashing out.
	I don't know.
	Fucking cool.
	Nice.
	He's had a hard night.
	Cool jacket.
	Irish, German.
	What's your background?
	What's your ethnic background?
	Scottish, Irish.
	Like French and English or something.
	I don't know.
	Okay, good talk.
	So anyways, what was I saying?
	I don't know, exploitation or something.
	What was I saying?
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, yeah, like political disagreements, whatever.
	But when somebody's like late, it's a pet peeve.
	Late or like inconsiderate with my time, like they flake or they no show, that grinds my gears.
	Because it's your most valuable resource, time.
	It's the one thing we can't get back.
	Poetic.
	True.
	That was beautiful.
	Was true.
	Okay.
	You're reading this one from Wall Paladins.
	Brixon, they need to report it to ICE because they are being sex trafficked into the United States.
	And I guarantee their sex work isn't listed on their visa.
	Oh, dude, they are shooting.
	Brian's got ice on speed dial.
	I mean, bro.
	It looks like they're on the way.
	Andrew, these girls are going to say that they're not here for work, but trust me, they're for money on holding.
	So, all right.
	Thank you guys for these other chats coming through here.
	Okay, let's do, let's get back on topic, guys.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I drink like three sips of champagne and I'm losing my mind.
	I'll blame it on the alcohol.
	All right, I'm good.
	I'm good.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	We have to wait until she's back from the table.
	So we'll get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	Olivia?
	Olivia.
	Okay.
	Olivia, who's Olivia?
	That's you?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	You said you disagree with the oh boy.
	My reputation precedes me.
	And probably the past 15 minutes haven't helped my cause.
	I disagree with the way the host treats women.
	But based on my research, often it's provoked and in controlled situations like a debate.
	How do I treat women?
	I just think it was like from your sorry, Olivia.
	Oh, no, you're okay.
	Pass it down a little more.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I don't mean like treating women.
	I think it was just more of like your opinion on them.
	What's my opinion on them?
	Some of them, but granted, I kind of sent that when I first watched two or three videos of your stuff.
	Yeah.
	And so I was only able to kind of see the woman's side of it.
	And it was just like clipbait.
	I just was seeing like clipbaits of like you just like clipping them, like you kind of provoking them.
	Like I was watching earlier today, like that was kind of like a provoked situation, but I understand why your points were made, if that makes sense.
	What points?
	Like today, like all of us, like the Charlie Kirk situation, like we all kind of had the same opinion on that, but we all disagreed.
	Okay.
	So is there, like, I don't know.
	Anything else you disagree?
	No, I only watched literally like two or three of the first.
	And I know a few of the other women have issues with my tone.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	Can I comment?
	Condescending.
	Condescending.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Yes, more champagne.
	Can I comment?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Okay, so I personally did put that was my only really like disagreement.
	And I think as a whole, delivery has the power to go a long way.
	And I think that a lot of times you're telling the flat out truth.
	Like I looked at a lot of videos and I'm like, well, shoot, he ain't lying.
	But I think that we often miss how impactful we can be and how we can get people to receive truth a little better with how we give it to people.
	Like even the whole thing with the girl, valid.
	Like how you feel is valid, but it's just like, how are we handling the people that we can have an impact on?
	Because you could have a bomb impact on that girl, but you just, you just went in on her.
	Does that make sense?
	Like delivery is every day.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I partially agree with you.
	So I agree with you that it can be effective to deliver your message in a way that is palatable.
	And sometimes I fall short of delivering a palatable message that might otherwise change somebody's mind.
	But because with the gravity toss, maybe not gravity, that's not the right word, with the way in which I say it, somebody might take issue with the way I'm saying it.
	That's fair.
	And I don't disagree with you.
	Now, it is.
	It is true, but in terms of like actually countering arguments, it is, and I don't think this is the point you're making, but it is fallacious to say, well, I'm not going to engage with your argument because I don't like the tone.
	Because the argument hinges on the content and substance of the actual argument.
	But I agree with you that it is effective.
	It is effective to present your opinion in such a way.
	However, my counter to this is also, sometimes you need to cut through the sugarcoating and you need to be, you even need to use objectionable language to cut through the bullshit.
	In this case, and oftentimes, like for example, that woman, although even with my strong rebuke that I provided, she's not going to change.
	She's like perma scumbag.
	She's a terrible person.
	But I think it, I don't think putting on the kid gloves with a piece of shit is ever helpful.
	Like, so if I put on the kid gloves, I'm like, well, it hurt my feelings when you, you know, you didn't respect my time.
	Sometimes I think it's warranted to have a tone of voice or have something behind what you're saying that might offend somebody because they've stepped over a line.
	Sometimes I feel like, you know what, if somebody keeps poking you, do I need to continue to remain perfectly calm?
	I think if somebody treads on you, if somebody treads on you, don't be surprised if they tread on you back.
	So I don't, this idea that we must perfectly always maintain composure or speak to fucking scumbags always in this, like I don't know, like we, we gotta always take the the high ground or whatever I don't know.
	Sometimes you need to tell someone to shut the fuck up and it's warranted.
	Are we still on the Australians?
	Well, she was talking about me.
	Sometimes I think it's okay if somebody's just being a fucking brat or somebody's just being difficult.
	Sometimes you got to tell them to shut the fuck up and you got to say it just like that.
	But I think there's a level and I agree with you.
	I think there's a level of power that's displayed in self-control.
	So a person who stands up to me, but they keep their composure, they're gentle and they they say something that cuts deep.
	I'm like whoa, they just handled me, but They, but if they react to me and they're given all these explicit and all the things, I've lost them because now it just becomes a shouting match.
	And I think that kind of made, I was thinking about this earlier of like why we don't have conversations anymore.
	It's always about debate.
	But at the root of debate, which healthy debate is fine, but at the root of it is always being right and always being the one.
	And it's never about people just seeing each other's point of views in a level, calm manner.
	So I think, yes, some people do need it direct because that's all they can handle.
	I totally agree with you.
	But I think there's a level of power and self-control in the way you deliver that.
	Like you can handle the mess out of a person in the most respectful way.
	Well, I mean, not to bring this back to Charlie Kirk, but we had like a shining, exemplary person who did, who did the nice guy thing, and they fucking murdered him anyways.
	Fuck these scumbags.
	I'd like to say something about that.
	Fuck these scumbags.
	I think it's time that we put our foot on the fucking gas a little bit and stop this fucking friendly rhetoric.
	I'm not saying, like, I'm not, this isn't a call to violence or anything.
	I'm just saying maybe it's time we put, you know, we put our foot on the neck a little bit, rhetorically speaking.
	Fuck this nice guy shit.
	They still fucking murdered this guy.
	They're calling TikTok, the white Malcolm X is what they're calling him on TikTok.
	And to that end, I did want to say one thing.
	That was the most tragic, the most tragic piece of this was that he was trying to bridge the gap, open dialogue between two sides.
	And he genuinely, emphatically wanted to understand everything he posed.
	It didn't matter what race, creed, color, age, what the agenda was.
	He truly wanted to understand.
	Sometimes people changed his mind, but he was open and he was bridging the gap.
	And he was the only one that I saw doing it.
	Who?
	Charlie?
	Well, I think like that in that way.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry.
	No, I think we need a boot on the fucking neck rhetorically.
	Rhetorically, we need a boot on the fucking neck.
	I'm telling you, that's how it's got to be.
	Because he tried to do the nice guy thing.
	And they still fucking murdered.
	They fucking assassinated this guy.
	Yeah, I think I understand that.
	But I also think that we have to be careful in calling someone a scumbag and using that to then justify our poor treatment of them or our poor speech towards them.
	Because as we saw earlier.
	Who are we calling a scumbag?
	I missed that portion.
	Well, he said, when you're a scumbag, sometimes if somebody is a scumbag, you should go in on them.
	ones that took him out is that who were no no no no um oh just in general just Just in general.
	Like, if someone is a scumbag, you need to handle them.
	I'm not talking specifically about Charlie Kirk.
	I'm just saying, like...
	Bro, what do we do with criminals?
	The statement was made like if someone's a scumbag, we should be able to talk to them, whatever.
	Well, we just had disagreement, and I know we disagreed on a lot, but it was very respectful disagreement, right?
	But what is to stop someone from calling you a scumbag because you disagree with them?
	They do.
	Hold on, they go even fucking beyond.
	Look at what they did to Charlie Kirk.
	They fucking, he's a fascist.
	He's an authoritarian.
	He's a sexist.
	He's a racist.
	He's a Nazi.
	Hold on.
	He has said some very racist things, though.
	Posthumously.
	Okay, like what?
	Hold on.
	Hold on, no, no, no, hold on.
	He has said some very racist things.
	What did he say?
	What did Charlie Kirk say that was racist?
	There was a few.
	But give me one.
	The biggest thing was talking about affirmative action and referencing Michelle Obama and Kataji Brown, and there was one more person, and he said that they don't have the brain capacity to think in that way.
	And that now, don't give me because I'm speaking.
	Why isn't that a sexist statement?
	But I'm saying, no, It could be, but he was saying it in the context of them being black, not them being women.
	So if it was about them being women, then it would be a sexist statement.
	The words came out of his mouth in essence.
	Because these people are black, they are stupid.
	Because, for example, like I could say they're Democrats.
	Why can't it just be like he thought they were stupid because they're Democrats?
	Because that wasn't what they were talking about.
	They were talking specifically about affirmative action and them getting in and taking a white person's spot because they don't have the brain power to do that otherwise.
	He literally said that.
	And that was, I mean, that's not a word-for-word quote, but that was a racist thing.
	Now, I am speaking as someone who is very inspired by Charlie Kirk and how he spoke faithfully.
	Boldly.
	Fuck it.
	And how boldly.
	It's the DEI hired.
	It's the DEI hired.
	That's the clip.
	Yeah.
	Just look up DEA.
	And I think that's the thing: we have to understand that this is not a one-sided discussion.
	This is a nuanced discussion.
	And there are certain things that you can disagree with someone about and that you can agree with someone about.
	I disagreed with his stance on the video that I'm referencing.
	Disagreed with that.
	But as a Christian woman, I love the fact that he is pro-family and pro-biblical family.
	I love the fact that he is anti-abortion.
	I love the fact that he goes by a biblical standard on certain things, but other things I cannot agree with him on.
	I think we're the racist thing he said.
	Like, what did he actually say?
	Well, I mean, we can find the clip if you want, but to imply that somebody is there because they take a white person's spot because they do not have the brain power to be there otherwise is crazy.
	And especially as an athlete who is a black woman who went to a predominantly white and very predominant school like Vanderbilt and was intentionally intelligent enough to be there and succeed there, like that'd be crazy for someone to say, oh, well, she can't be there.
	Like she's the diversity higher there or whatever.
	Like that'd be wild.
	Or she doesn't have the brain power or the brain capacity to exist in those spaces.
	I saw a young black gentleman on TikTok talking about how Charlie had reached out to him years ago.
	It wasn't on TikTok.
	It was on a different social media platform.
	And I said, you're, you know, you'd be great in our cause and this, this, that, and the other.
	And the young man said, I don't have the money to get to this, whatever the conference was.
	And Charlie said, we have scholarships available.
	So this young black man who's now like an older.
	I have to interrupt.
	Law Paladins donated $1,000.
	Give me the list.
	If you wanted someone to deliver their message in a kind and considerate manner, you shouldn't have killed Charlie Kirk.
	Just forget it, Nick.
	I'm just kidding.
	They killed him because of this.
	Just forget it.
	Because he was effective.
	Yo, Law Paladin, sorry for the delay on pulling this up.
	You're a fucking legend, sir.
	Thank you, dude.
	Good to see you back.
	This guy's the biggest fucking giga child, World of Warcraft player.
	He fucking scorches people on Paladin, just fucking destroys them.
	Paladin.
	Destroys them as a paladin.
	Hold on, let me play this shit.
	Where is it?
	Hold on.
	Great job, please.
	Thank you.
	How many fucking buttons do you have?
	I got like 300 fucking buttons.
	It's crazy.
	Okay, hold on.
	let's see here we have where's my gram super chatted $199.99 Brian, we are all thinking about Charlie, but this isn't the audience for what you're thinking.
	Wait, what?
	I don't get it.
	We're all thinking about him, but this is not the right audience.
	Oh, you mean the panel?
	Probably.
	Yo, Magarambe, thank you for the 200.
	I didn't mean to interrupt you there with a champagne.
	Do you want to finish your thought?
	It was just the fact that I was buying into, because of her rhetoric with telling me what her thoughts were on Charlie.
	We were at vastly different vantage points here, opinion points.
	But I saw this young black man on TikTok talking about how Charlie reached out and made things happen.
	And because of that opportunity where Charlie said he had this scholarship, he changed this man's life.
	Now, I only saw one thing, and I did see that they were calling him the black Malcolm X.
	And I had to explain to my 14-year-old, well, during the civil rights movement and the Jim Crow movement, we had the loss of Malcolm X.
	We had the loss of Martin Luther King Jr.
	We had the loss of Medgar Evers.
	And Charlie, like I'm trying to explain to her the trajectory of what happens when people are trying to bridge the gap and stand up.
	So anyway, there were a bunch of people on TikTok, but maybe they're isolated incidents.
	I don't know.
	But I definitely, I didn't see the racism.
	Well, I mean, Candace Owens, I mean, is one of his best friends, and she happens to be black.
	And, you know, did she say that too?
	So, no, and I'm not saying that really quick.
	It says, he said they got the position because they were black, but didn't have the skills.
	He did not say they didn't have the skills because they are black, not the same thing.
	According to that guy, I don't know.
	Yeah, but he referenced the fact that they don't have the brain capacity.
	Like.
	Oh, the camera?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	So, regardless, like, I'm not saying that he is a horrible person and he like he hated black people and all of those things.
	I'm saying that there are certain things that he said that were problematic to a certain people, right?
	And the way he said it at times does not help those specific people like and respect him.
	Now, because I also have the identity, I have the identity of a black woman and I have the identity of a Christian.
	And so in my identity as a black woman, his statement in that video was very disturbing.
	It was very off-putting as that person.
	In my identity as a Christian, though, I respect him for a lot of reasons, for his boldness in sharing his faith and for his stand on issues that are not popular to speak about, right?
	And so I am torn in those two identities, but because I have prioritized my Christian identity over my black identity, because that's what the Bible calls me to do, then I can look at him, I can revere him, I can look up to him, but that doesn't mean I forget the other ways that he is problematic to me and people like me.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes, but and that's something I can't speak to.
	Right, but I'm not trying to say he's raging racist.
	Yeah, move it on, but there's some dispute as to whether it wasn't actually, if it was actually a racist statement.
	Brian is always calm.
	He's always very polite and respectful, but don't you dare touch the mic or interrupt him while he's preaching because that is not acceptable.
	Love you, but you need some weed sometimes.
	Wait, who's he yelling at you?
	No.
	Yeah, he's talking about me.
	Yeah, it's just weird.
	Like, most shit, like, I don't know.
	Like, just hearing crazy shit doesn't really bother me, but just like minor stuff fucking gets me.
	I don't know.
	I'm autistic or some shit.
	I'll blame it on.
	Same.
	Oh, you mean you dial in on something and you ruminate over and over?
	No, you couldn't possibly be autistic, Brian.
	Super autistic.
	Giga Autistic.
	All right.
	Let me get into the pre-show.
	Oh, you know what?
	We're going to do this.
	Oh, to lol paladins.
	So only it's just me and Pamela.
	The Violatrix.
	Violatrix here who are going to have champagne.
	So everybody else has apple cider because underage and other reasons.
	Salu, cheers.
	Chindan.
	Cheers.
	It's okay.
	Okay.
	Why not keep drinking your sloppy seconds?
	Stop drinking out of it.
	Oh, yeah.
	I didn't think about that.
	That's okay.
	It's okay.
	I don't mind.
	I don't have herpes.
	Is there anything else in there?
	What do you mean?
	Are we going to have to do a full testing panel so I can drink out of your bottle?
	Too late now, girl.
	I know.
	I know, Brian, I got what you got.
	Somebody wrote in my comments.
	Brian's going to make you, he's going to be your daddy after this.
	And I was like, what does that mean?
	He's like, just wait.
	Are you a daddy?
	What goes on?
	No, wait.
	No, someone said that to me.
	I'm curious.
	You know what?
	I'm going to financially dominate you.
	Go get your fucking purse.
	Right now.
	I know.
	It doesn't work in the reverse.
	Because see, personally, I'm submissive.
	That shit doesn't work.
	Come on.
	Whoa.
	Go get your purse.
	Go get your purse right now.
	Yes, daddy.
	That's happening.
	How much cash you got on you?
	How much did I make in Chicago?
	$3,000?
	$3,000?
	Yeah.
	Give me $100.
	$3,000.
	This will be like a little story you can tell this one time.
	Girl, can I have a $20?
	I was financially dominated by men.
	It'll be like a funny story.
	Wait, don't you?
	It's too late.
	Is he actually going to financially dominate her?
	No.
	Yeah.
	You bet.
	We're like me deep in the bit now.
	Okay, here we go.
	All right.
	I like that sound.
	Look, if you want to do more, I'll accept more.
	I need three.
	Oh, can I financially dominate?
	$100.
	Wait, are we doing it?
	Are we doing a trip?
	Can we practice?
	No, I need a tribute.
	I need a tribute.
	In fact, I need $100 tribute for each.
	All right.
	I need the tribute.
	Now.
	What am I getting?
	Am I getting at least a good girl?
	What?
	You can't say that?
	No.
	Oh, no, you can say it, but.
	I need, hold on.
	Can we?
	Oh, shut up.
	You think I'm, hold on.
	Not you.
	Her.
	You think a good girl is worth whatever the girl?
	Are you trying to fend on me?
	Bro, you got your purse out.
	Pay up.
	Because I'm buying the screen time.
	Every man is in here telling you they're so masculine.
	They're all like, the violatrix, I want to wear panties for her.
	You know how many hits are going to be on my website tonight?
	You know how many hits are going to be on my website?
	And it's going to be your brother, your cousin, your boss, your next-door neighbor.
	Meow.
	God forbid you give the woman a little bit.
	That was all.
	You got your purse out in the.
	I saw that cash.
	That was like a couple G's.
	Come on.
	Mow.
	Come on.
	Wow.
	I know it's kind of late, but I found the clip.
	Eh, it's okay.
	We'll just move it up.
	We've moved way past the clip.
	You have your purse on you, Mike.
	Did you miss something?
	No, I don't.
	You got to pay up.
	No, because anybody that pays up gets screen time.
	Back then, I guess.
	You could have had like a funny little quip.
	You could have told people this one time I paid a guy $100 on a podcast, and he fendomed me.
	But how are you going to FinDom me?
	What am I getting today?
	It's a tribute.
	I don't think he understands what FinDoms are.
	Oh, you look at my website?
	Yeah, I do research.
	I research everybody.
	On your website, it's like just to contact me is $100.
	I should have charged her.
	I should have, when you first DM'd me, I should have been like $2,000.
	Oh, shit.
	That's nothing.
	There you go, pal.
	So you're saying I'm cheap?
	Okay.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Am I a sex worker now?
	What the fuck?
	Yes, yes.
	$339.99, Brian.
	Get it now.
	Yoink.
	Yoink, wait.
	I got to play this.
	Hey, chill up, Alicia.
	What the hell?
	Crap to me, boys.
	Honey, I'm married.
	My husband, this is like my fun money.
	My fancy money.
	Oh, this is nothing to her.
	Nothing.
	Something to me.
	Oh, please, my most privileged child.
	Hand handling.
	Give me money.
	No, fuck no.
	Tribute.
	She's got a buku guy, but she's not fendomy.
	She's got buku money.
	Anyways, let's move it on.
	What were we going to do?
	There was.
	I think I just bought some more screen time with that 100 tribute.
	So you have to say the violatrix.com and my book.
	Can we pull my book out since I made a donation?
	That costs way more.
	You got to drop a thousand.
	You got to drop a thousand if you want.
	Yeah.
	Take another sip, Brian.
	Go ruminate back on the Australian girl.
	Circle back to the Australian girl.
	Yeah, we're going to move it on to.
	Hold on, let me see.
	We got the chat here coming in momentarily from a law paladins.
	Hold on.
	Also, guys.
	Oh, Maronomi, the DEI.
	Did you say Maron?
	Maronomi.
	I hadn't heard that since I watched the Sopranos.
	What does that mean?
	Marona.
	Agaba Fong.
	Maron.
	Aga Fangul.
	It's in the telly thing.
	E' stata zitta, faccio brutta, faccio bella.
	Maron is Marona.
	Oh, Maron.
	It sounds like Maron, but it means Madonna.
	I don't like that kind of talk.
	You fucking hypocrites.
	Livia.
	She was a hooer.
	She was a hoof.
	She was a hoo.
	A gumar.
	Oh, okay.
	We have this chat here from Lol Paladins.
	Oh, question for the WNA player.
	I'm sorry.
	Aren't you happy that you got where you are because of your talent and not the color of your skin?
	Affirmative action is bad.
	Pilots should be hired for the same reason.
	No, I agree that people should be hired because of their skin color, or because not because of their skin.
	I did the same thing.
	Oh, shit.
	I see how it's not that telling.
	Oh, shit.
	The truth comes out.
	I do not agree that people should be hired for their skin color.
	I don't believe that you should be saying that people who support DEI do not have the brain capacity to get their role and so they have to take a white person's spot.
	I do not agree with that.
	That is, that in itself is a racist statement.
	Saying that those people do not have the brain capacity and so they took a white person's spot.
	Now, affirmative action would be a good thing.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	We lingered too long on the DEI stuff.
	Was that Chloe Roma?
	I don't know who sent that in.
	Thank you.
	Andre, thank you for the.
	Okay, normally it's below the threshold.
	Oh, it's Canadian money too, bro.
	You want me to say Tavernak?
	Send in TTS 200 streamlines.com slash whatever.
	Tabernacle I'll say it.
	Wait, I just said that.
	Fuck.
	Damn it.
	He got me.
	Clip.
	I'll say it the proper way.
	Okay, let's see here.
	Let's get into some of the pre-show notes.
	Actually, wait, we have to do.
	No, let's do pre-show notes.
	Okay.
	Who do we have to the table?
	We have Snow.
	You're Snow.
	Yes.
	Okay, you do sex work and insurance.
	Yes, I do.
	Okay, you had like, you wanted to talk about dating while being a sex worker?
	Wait, here, I'll help.
	Most men don't want to date a sex worker.
	They don't know.
	They don't know.
	Depends.
	About who you tell.
	You don't tell everybody, do you?
	Oh my God, you withhold that shit.
	Yikes.
	Holy shit.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Oh, she just did.
	Oh, she hasn't even made a claim yet.
	You'd be so wrong.
	Oh, it's boring?
	Okay, well, everything else in your pre-show notes are kind of boring too.
	Wait, do you tell the men that you're dating that you're a sex worker?
	You do understand two of my relationships out of 100.
	Three.
	Fuck off.
	Okay, hold on.
	Wait, one, two, three.
	One, two, three.
	Oh, boy.
	Four.
	I think I've been with five people, like in a relationship.
	Two counts.
	Ryan.
	Two people.
	Two people I've told, but that was young dumb people.
	You'd be surprised how men do not care about it.
	I would not, like, now, if I was dating somebody now, I wouldn't tell them.
	Or if I did tell them, they would have to accept that and still support me.
	It's dating.
	Anyone should have to accept that.
	Like, how am I supposed to make an informed decision about my life if I don't know?
	Do you know what anybody's really doing?
	Because most girls that are on Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, they're also on seeking arrangement.
	It's just packaged in a different form.
	What do we call it?
	Sex for money.
	Sex for privilege.
	Sex for power.
	Sex for status.
	It's all just how you package it.
	They're all doing it.
	It's just who's being forthright about it.
	Yeah, I don't agree with lying to anyone you're with about anything.
	Like at the end of the day, if you're physically with somebody else and then you're going to physically come be with somebody else, they should know that you're not exclusive.
	That is an informed decision.
	That is what they're doing with incumbent upon that person to get themselves tested and all the right because you don't know what anybody's doing.
	You don't know what anybody's doing.
	Even if like a prostitute is clean, I don't want even if she's clean to date a woman who's a prostitute.
	And he might want to.
	He should be able to make that choice.
	Okay, but I'm saying you should be able to make that choice.
	I do want to pose it to you a different way.
	Just like someone who's trans has, should divulge upfront relatively quickly after establishing.
	I'm just saying.
	Because there's a danger.
	Someone in sex work.
	I tell everybody I'm a fan of everybody, but I'm also married.
	But someone in sex work has to be very careful because she's setting herself up.
	Predatory men will do nothing but serve her up.
	She'd be serving herself up on a silver platter.
	We have to remember after, at the end of the day, she's a mom.
	She's a single mom.
	She's a female.
	Oh, let me just say, hey, Tinder, date.
	I don't know you, but I'm a sex worker.
	Bam.
	I mean, they're going to think about it.
	They're going to what?
	What are they going to do?
	What are they going to do?
	Lord, let me count the ways.
	Yeah, but a relationship, getting into a relationship, you don't have to say no instead relationship.
	We're saying the early stages.
	Wait, but hold on.
	If your argument is about related to safety, the most safe thing you could do is allow the man to make an informed decision ahead of time before he gets bamboozled into dating a woman who's like fucking other people.
	He's doing it correctly.
	In the first few dates, nothing's happening.
	If men were doing this the way we used to do it old-fashioned, by the time it got to intimacy, he would know.
	If he jumps in bed with her, Brian, with the men that are on the DL, do you know that all my clients, 99% of them are married vanilla men?
	And they're low-virtue men.
	No, they're not.
	Some of these guys are billionaires with fucking barrels, shitbacks.
	I had millionaires.
	There's really great men who I've been doing.
	Stop.
	It's baked into the example you provided.
	Married men are seeking me out for sexual services.
	That's in contravention of a marriage.
	That's absolutely cheating.
	It's baked into that.
	That's not my business.
	Like, if I was just hooking up with somebody just to hook up with Ryan, if they were married in a relationship, then I just wouldn't do that.
	A man who's married who calls me because he likes to wear panties and doesn't want his wife to know.
	I'm not with him.
	I'm watching him on camera.
	I'm just on the phone.
	Is he cheating?
	He's low virtue.
	Is he low?
	Yes.
	He's low virtue.
	Guys, that is so juvenile.
	That is so ignorant.
	You guys don't realize how much of the population is indulging in this.
	This is your doctor.
	This is your next door neighbor.
	This is your employee.
	You guys have no idea.
	I guess that doesn't make it right.
	They don't make it right.
	That doesn't make it right.
	I get that.
	I get that.
	But that isn't a my point.
	Still stands.
	It's still.
	You guys think it's sexual.
	You guys think it's all sexual.
	You guys think it's all sexual.
	Would the wives be upset if they found out they were doing it?
	I asked every one of them, have you involved your wife?
	Well, I tried early on in the marriage.
	She couldn't understand it.
	So I found it's better to compartmentalize these things.
	They're not all sexual.
	First of all, fetish.
	We don't choose.
	Let me tell you how fetish is born, kink and fetish.
	We don't choose what we're attracted to.
	Something way back in pre-adolescence happens, and we get hardlocked in the psyche, okay?
	Okay, but so my position would be: if you're married to somebody, then there should be like an open line of communication.
	And perhaps initially, if you like bring this to your partner, like, look, I get it, people are sexually repressed or whatever, but I think the foundation of a good relationship would be like some degree of openness to like varying degrees of sexuality.
	So in this case, if you're a man, I mean, it depends to be a person.
	But aren't you married?
	No, it depends the degree of like what the fetish is or whatever.
	But like, I think it would be fair if a guy has a foot fetish, for example, and he's married to his wife and it's a loving, caring relationship.
	I think the first step would be bring, well, I don't think there would be really any steps afterwards, bring it to your wife first and then have an open conversation about it.
	Maybe she's willing to engage in your fetish.
	This is such many, many episodes onto itself.
	I can't begin to scratch the surface of what I do psychologically for 20 years.
	A woman wrote me on TikTok tonight earlier today and she said, You know more, Pam, than most psychologists because what I see, the veil, when I pull the veil back, what I see, the average psychologist isn't seeing.
	Okay, and I deal with everything from guys who were molested by their childhood best friend's father on a camping trip and they are in a relationship, but they can't get off until they.
	I deal with every possible case scenario, but you are naive.
	If you're not afraid of the people who are talking about like abnormal psychology here, like I mean, that's healthy healing.
	They don't need to be cheating on their wives.
	Do you think that's healthy to indulge those kinds of things?
	But you tell me, have you been sexually assaulted by your best friend's father?
	I think it's healthy.
	He was calling me to talk through these things.
	Listen, you guys can judge.
	At the end of the day, I don't take anybody's money.
	It says FinDom because that's the only thing you can say on social media.
	I am not just a FinDom.
	Yeah, okay, so back to the original point.
	Generally speaking, I think most men don't want to be involved with a woman who's a prostitute, escort sex worker, et cetera.
	Like most men.
	To be clear, I'm not saying that you guys, I know you're married.
	I know you have plenty of men who would love to be with you.
	What I'm saying is, when I'm saying most, that could be like 51%.
	I think you'd be shocked at who's the just to be clear.
	Sex workers have no shortage of men who want to date them.
	But typically, these men tend to lean more towards being low-virtue men.
	Most high-virtue men don't want to date sex workers.
	Our daddy, right now, my husband is the vice president of a global biotech.
	He's got a PhD in organic chemistry.
	Just because you have high status or a lot of money doesn't make you high virtue.
	I'm not characterizing.
	I don't know your husband.
	I'm not saying anything about you.
	My husband was dating a Playboy playmate before he dated me.
	I was a single mom.
	I was living back in Pennsylvania.
	She was a baby.
	And I was very, very careful as to what I let him know.
	And when I ultimately told him what I did, he said, well, I have more respect for what you do than the average Playboy playmate.
	How about this then?
	I'll go ahead and let's just go ahead and grant for the sake of argument that you know what most men are fine with women being prostitutes and they'd be happy to date them and marry them.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, prostitute.
	Well, okay, fine, sex worker.
	I'm a cyber Fin Dom, which is different.
	She's a prostitute.
	Which is how this conversation started.
	You said you do escorting.
	That's prostitution.
	I know, I know, but you would call it an escort.
	Prostitute, escort, sex work.
	We can pretend stuff doesn't exist.
	We can pretend.
	There's like areas.
	Brian, there's traditional.
	I do sex work.
	She does sex work.
	There's truly different.
	That's prostitution.
	Yeah.
	Like, okay, fine.
	Look, for example, I'll be fair.
	I don't think a woman who's a lingerie model, I won't call her a prostitute.
	She's not, I don't, from my definition, I don't think a woman who posts lingerie photos is a prostitute.
	Is she, if it's like on OnlyFans, she's a sex worker.
	She's not a prostitute.
	You do escorting.
	Definitionally, that's prostitution.
	I'm not using that in a pejorative sense.
	Prostitution just that's what it is.
	I would argue, though, though, you know what?
	I'm prepared to make a prescription.
	Forget, I'm not even going to speak descriptively.
	Prescriptively, I don't think men should date sex workers.
	Whether they should or they shouldn't, this is what's happening.
	And the problem is, in the UK, in Germany, in the Netherlands, Switzerland, this is all totally acceptable.
	It's here in the United States that we clutch our pearls.
	Yeah, and those societies.
	Only here.
	That doesn't make it right.
	It doesn't make it right, but it's happening in you guys that are pretending like it's not.
	No, I'm not pretending to be right.
	You're those holes if you think it's not happening left and right.
	The liberalization in all the countries you listed, you said the UK, the Netherlands, Germany.
	I mean, they're literally like a generation from losing their fucking country.
	What does that have to do with this?
	It has everything to do with it because it's the liberalization of these countries.
	The United States was founded by religious pilgrims seeking religious freedom.
	We are still a young country.
	We are not ready for these conversations.
	My sickest clients are out of Germany.
	Okay, great.
	Let me just tell you.
	No surprise there.
	No surprise there.
	Germany will literally be lost within the fucking generation.
	I'm telling you the rules.
	I'm just telling you how it is.
	I'm telling you that Germany.
	I wanted to tell you something.
	That I agreed with what you were saying about how there is some form of prostitution, even if it's for that bag, that house.
	You know, you don't really like him, but you want that house.
	You want that car.
	And you don't want to, you know.
	He's going to give you the money to do it, and all you have to do is sleep with him or pretend to be his girlfriend or be his girlfriend by marriage.
	That's a perfect example of this.
	So I just wanted to say that.
	There's no dispute that sex workers or former sex workers or whatever it is can have happy marriages.
	I'm not disputing that.
	But what I'm saying is.
	Yes, you are.
	No, you.
	Hold on.
	It's possible.
	I'm just saying that I don't think, like, prescriptively, if a guy, like if my male, do you have sons?
	I do not.
	I mean, I have her boyfriend who I raised for five years.
	If you had a son, like if you had to choose between a woman who was a virgin versus just like a normal gal, virgin girl, or like a woman who had prostituted in the past and she slept with like 300 men.
	Brian, you're talking to the wrong person because a virgin is going to be a whole cacophony of problems because she's never experienced anything and she hasn't begun to live her life.
	That is a woman who sex determined she's left her life.
	Wait, hold on.
	Because my mother was one when she married my father and I did this.
	No, no, no.
	You guys don't want to come at me with this stuff.
	But let's test it.
	Let's test it out.
	So, okay, I'm even willing to grant that it might be the case that the woman who's a virgin, maybe she doesn't have a lot of relationship experience.
	And because of this, you know, maybe she makes certain mistakes in a relationship, whatever.
	Sure, maybe like a woman who does have past relationship experience might be better suited in some capacities.
	But the comparison here is between a virgin and a woman who previously was a prostitute and slept with 300 men.
	For your own son, would you tell him if he had to choose between two women, date the prostitute or date the virgin?
	Who would you tell your son to date?
	I have two words for you.
	Answer the question first.
	Thank you, Tim.
	Mary Magdalene.
	What?
	Hold on.
	Okay, first off, that's fake news.
	She wasn't a prostitute.
	Secondly.
	No, no, she listen to me.
	You are asking.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You are asking something so completely.
	Brian, I answered the question.
	No, you didn't answer the question.
	I would never go for the virgin because the virgin.
	Wait, ask me a question.
	Ask me a question.
	Genghis Khan.
	Does that answer the question?
	Brian, I answered the question.
	I said I would never go for the virgin.
	Mary Magdalene is a mute point because she intentionally changed her life, right?
	She changed her life.
	She was this, and she stopped being this and went to be this.
	We're never going to agree.
	But initially, we're talking about honesty.
	We are not talking about like, yes, men are going to date sex workers.
	They're going to go to prostitutes.
	They're going to watch porn.
	They're going to do all of these things.
	And if you drink her, they're not.
	No, that's fucking true.
	I'm not saying I'm not going to.
	There's high virtue men that don't do any of that shit.
	Get that out of here.
	So, anyways, back to this.
	Answer my question.
	Do you want your son to be with the prostitute?
	I already answered this three times.
	The prostitute.
	You'd prefer your son to be with the prostitute over the virgin.
	I mean, you're asking a sex worker that question.
	So, like, of course, she's going to say that.
	But the issue is that.
	No, I'm not, because I was raised conservative Catholic.
	Are men going to do that or not?
	The issue initially, what we started talking about, was the honesty.
	Why were we letting them?
	Is this what we're here for?
	Isn't this what we're doing?
	You letting them know what they're getting into.
	That you're a sex worker.
	Watch out for cheat boxes.
	At least eventually, when it gets serious, you have to tell them.
	Again, I bring in a very unique set of circumstances.
	My mother was a virgin when she married my father, and it didn't work out well.
	My father was known as the legendary Lithario.
	It did not work out well.
	And that doesn't mean it's not going to for anybody else.
	That's one testimony.
	That's one example.
	It's my control.
	Wait, listen, I want to ask the rest of the panel here.
	You have a son.
	He has a choice between two women.
	I know it's a hypothetical, whatever.
	Prostitute who's been with 300 men for work or virgin girl.
	Which one do you pick?
	Starting with you.
	Your son.
	Who should he date?
	Who should he date?
	Subjective.
	It is subjective.
	That's a very subjective question to me.
	Okay, let's just assume their person, like, let's say they're both good people.
	Former prostitute, whatever, both good people.
	Who should he date?
	Still subjective.
	Well, yeah, it's hypothetical.
	I'm asking you to engage in the hypothesis.
	I don't know who my son is.
	It depends on who these girls are.
	He's your son.
	That's who he is.
	I don't matter.
	My son can be a fucking dick.
	Autistic.
	He could be autistic.
	So because he's a dick, then he should, which one should he get because he's a dick?
	Depends on his life.
	Whoever he's going to get along with more.
	Depends on his life experience.
	Like, in my opinion, the question is very subjective.
	Like, all of it's subjective.
	Okay, is this subjective?
	Would you prefer your son date a woman who is like has severe mental illness or a woman who's mentally stable?
	Mentally stable, obviously.
	But it's subjective.
	Hold on.
	What if it's subjective?
	And that's true.
	What if my son's autistic?
	And I don't want him being with anybody.
	Wait, hold on.
	Whoa, that's a crazy tape.
	But it's a dependency.
	Wait, hold on.
	Autistic people can be aware of it.
	Clearly you're autistic.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	But no, it's a superpower.
	Why would that be an insult?
	My whole family.
	Yeah, but she was saying if her son's autistic, she wouldn't want him to date somebody.
	What?
	Wait, no, Like, severely.
	That's my whole family.
	Even severe autism.
	Whatever.
	Who cares?
	They can find love.
	They can't consent to sex.
	Severely autistic people.
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	They can't.
	I'm not an expert.
	Severely autistic people.
	People with Down syndrome have beautiful relationships.
	I'm not an expert in autism.
	How the fuck did we get it?
	Stop, stop, stop.
	I'm not an expert in autism or whatever.
	So, like, is it actually the case that you are so gone that you can't consent?
	If that's the case, then no.
	It's a spectrum.
	You're horrible, damn.
	Super extreme.
	Great.
	Super extreme example.
	I'm prepared to make the claim that the majority of people who have diagnosed autism can consent to sex.
	Okay, next.
	Well, no.
	Yes, that is very true.
	Okay, great.
	That was an extreme.
	Fine.
	Okay, people who can't consent to sex shouldn't consent to sex.
	Next.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Okay, great.
	Yeah, but I do believe that a lot of these questions are subjective.
	So that's okay.
	Who would you prefer your son with?
	You're not going to like my answer.
	I don't know.
	I'm on the same side as her.
	Subjective.
	Whoever's suited best.
	I don't think it makes a difference.
	Who would you prefer your son with?
	I think it really goes situation by situation.
	You know who the woman is, who the son is.
	I do think that this can just depend.
	It's not for me.
	I think that this can be summed up as none of us think that that plays a role in it.
	None of us think that's a positive or a negative part.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	Do you think that it's towards like body count?
	Me?
	Like in a guy.
	No.
	Really?
	So you'll like, so a guy who's a relationship.
	You, for a long-term relationship, are you monogamous?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So for a long-term monogamous relationship, you wouldn't at all factor in, for example, a guy who is and was a fuckboy versus the guy who has a history of like one, two, or three long-term relationships.
	A fuckboy is different than having a high body count.
	If he is like.
	You could be a fuckboy without a high body count.
	Yeah, the high body count's probably worse.
	No, that's my point.
	I wouldn't date a fuckboy, but I probably would date someone with a high body count.
	Because the term fuckboy implies that they're not treating women well.
	No, I don't mind if they're having sex with a lot of women.
	You can treat a woman well and be a fuckboy.
	I don't know.
	I associate.
	Yeah, right?
	That term to me, like, it comes with being kind of a shitty person, right?
	Maybe we just have different ideas of the term.
	But yeah, my thing is, I don't care if someone slept with a lot of people, so long as they've been respectful, so long as they're kind, so long as they view women as humans, you know, I don't really care.
	Subjective, what about you?
	Your son, the prostitute or the virgin?
	I feel like what they said, it's pretty subjective, and it's also like your opinion.
	Me personally, I would like my.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Let me restart this.
	You're all right.
	It's totally subjective.
	It's totally subjective.
	You still didn't answer the question.
	Answer the question.
	I answered it.
	Yeah, you answered it.
	So if you had to pick one, I get that it's subjective.
	You're totally right.
	It's subjective.
	If you have to pick one, which one do you pick?
	Can I skip a question?
	No, you have to answer the question.
	All right.
	The prostitute.
	Okay.
	Yeah, fuck it, the prostitute.
	Okay.
	If you have to pick one.
	304.
	Which do you pick?
	The Virgin.
	What does that mean?
	All right, W.
	Okay, what about you?
	Tilt your mic down a little bit.
	Tilt your mic down.
	Just a teeny bit.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going to pick the one that's safest and healthiest for him, which is the virgin.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yep, the virgin.
	What about you?
	The virgin.
	What was in the majority?
	Prostitute, Hucker.
	304.
	Popular doesn't mean right.
	I said what was the majority.
	I didn't say popular.
	Well, I'm the tiebreaker.
	That would be the majority.
	The majority would be the most popular.
	Whatever's the most popular would be the majority.
	Like, majority.
	I am super sad that this is coming off as neat little boxes because none of this fits into neat little boxes.
	And your moral high ground over there, I am really sorry to tell you that a lot of the people that you, I'm sure, find morally superior are probably my clients.
	No, I did not say anything about moral superiority other than you should be honest about what somebody is getting into.
	I don't disagree with you.
	Okay, so that was my whole entire point: if you are going to do sex work and engage in a relationship with someone, I agree, then you should disclose that to that person.
	It can't be done straight out of the gate.
	That was my whole entire like, okay, first date, you know, on the dating app or whatever.
	Yo, Jay, I'm sorry for the delay.
	I wasn't looking like $29.
	Let's do this one more time.
	Yo, thank you, Jay.
	You're fucking legend, sir.
	Glasses up for Charlie.
	Yo.
	Ryan Wizards backwashed champagne.
	I'll pour you some more because we're getting another champagne bottle.
	So I'll pour it before I. Yo, Jay, sorry, I didn't mean to overtalk you there.
	Not one step back.
	Jay, sorry for the delay on this.
	I was just so engaged in the convo.
	I missed it.
	I'm sorry.
	And we have some TTS here, too.
	Also delayed.
	Andre, I've been talking about it.
	Andre donated $200.
	Brian, let's have it comrade.
	Osti the tabernacle chair one.
	I don't know Osti.
	Tabernac.
	Is that good?
	What does that mean?
	The tabernacle chair?
	Huh?
	You want another bottle?
	Yeah, it's a champagne bottle.
	Tabernacle is the thing behind the altar.
	The Holy Eucharist.
	Tabernac.
	Is that good?
	Is that good?
	By the way, because of the delay, Andre.
	Thank you.
	I don't think Tabernacle chair.
	It means the.
	What does it mean?
	I just.
	He's the person with the moral superior higher round that has the Holy Eucharist tabernacle.
	So, anyways, Andre, sorry for the delay.
	Which I don't know who they're referring to.
	Andre, sorry for the delay.
	Andre, for 10, because there was a delay on your TTS, Andre, if you want to send in a 10, I'll treat it as a TTS because there was a delay getting to it.
	I apologize.
	We have the Joker here, too.
	This applies to Joker too.
	Joker donated $200.
	Okay.
	Girl on the right, chair one.
	You look like Harley Quinn so hot.
	I would be your god.
	Why so serious?
	Bro.
	Pick a card.
	Red and I'm your man.
	That's your boxing name.
	Yo, chat.
	Tell the Joker, we have a rule: if you simp for a girl, you have to pay the sim tax.
	You have to send in another TTS to pay the sim tax.
	That's your boxer name, Harley Quinn.
	Actually, wait because there's a delay on his TTS.
	Your sim tax is just $10.
	Oh, right.
	Why don't you get that going?
	Oh, my God.
	These champagne bottles let out.
	Did you guys hear that?
	The little it doesn't pop.
	God fucking before you swig out of it, Brian.
	All right, push it more.
	Thank you.
	There we go.
	WNBA flavor with a reach.
	Thank you.
	That is an awesome reach.
	All right.
	Sorry, guys.
	One sec.
	Let me pour this and then Felicity will, I don't know, do things.
	Okay, pass it down.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, that was.
	Oh, yeah.
	Olivia.
	You're going to read this one for us.
	It's not the case.
	Oh, we're back.
	I'm so sorry.
	I cannot read it.
	It's not the casement.
	Okay, you read it.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	It is not the case that men dominate just because of the physical strength.
	All top chess players in the world are men.
	We have higher calculation skills and spatial awareness.
	Of course, you do.
	Okay.
	He's right.
	I disagree.
	Okay.
	I can't do the sports shit again.
	Give me a break.
	All right.
	Read this one.
	Chair two just admitted that all the women.
	No, Felicity, stop.
	We can't.
	No, the microwaves.
	We can't.
	Chair two.
	Chair two just admitted that all women are either open or closet of pizza.
	This is going to be cold pizza.
	And that all men are depraved.
	I can't read.
	It disappeared.
	Brian made it disappear.
	Wait, who here wants pizza?
	I'll have like anybody want pizza?
	Okay.
	Can we do after we're done?
	Yeah, I was just getting roasted.
	Actually, roasted, Brian.
	Please bring it back.
	Anybody want any pizza now, though?
	Yes.
	Yeah, we'll wait.
	I'm going to.
	Oh, she wants one.
	Just a small slice.
	Give her one slice with a plate and napkin, please.
	Where were we?
	Did we read the one from Christopher?
	Chair two, please.
	I don't believe so.
	I want to finish the chair two.
	This one?
	Did we read this one?
	No, something happened.
	Oh, yeah.
	Chair two just admitted that all women are.
	We did this one, right?
	I didn't read the whole thing.
	Oh, finish it then.
	The all men are depraved and cheaters.
	The unicorn, check your worldview.
	That's not at all what I said.
	That's convenient.
	That's a crazy leap from what you said.
	It really is.
	And that's okay because that's mostly what I get.
	I thought it would be hot.
	Well, it's been sitting.
	I just want to clarify: like, I don't have any moral high ground.
	I have chosen to live my life a different way after living my life.
	Probably, I probably would have agreed with you guys on many, many things.
	So, like, I'm not trying to say I'm better or higher than anybody.
	I always have had a conviction that I believe that everyone should have be able to make an informed decision on what they're getting into, even to the point where I've been dating someone, wanted to partake in other opportunities with other people.
	And instead of cheating, I went to the person I was dating and I said, Hey, I need an open relationship.
	I know you don't want one, but if you're willing to participate in this, then we can either break up or you're going to be willing to participate.
	You wanted to be in open relationships?
	Yeah, see, that's okay.
	Now, this is before my life changed, before I chose to follow Jesus.
	But I'm saying, like, the conviction of people should be able to make an informed decision on what they're getting into.
	I respected that person so much that I told the truth when I could have easily lied.
	Here's where, because of that, here's where we were, we were saying the same thing, we were just on a different path.
	Yeah, 100% people should disclose that.
	The problem is, people are so afraid to disclose it.
	As long as everybody keeps it in their pants during the discovery process, it's fine.
	The problem is, everybody's jumping into bed without these informed decisions.
	So, the women are protecting themselves with not divulging.
	Men are on the DL.
	Men are on the DL.
	Men are on the DL, Brian.
	Oh, listen, I know that's real.
	Also, it's a debate.
	We're all being a little bit dramatic.
	No, no, we're not.
	To Jay, Salu Jay, great moderator, legendary guy, and just all-around gentleman and a scholar, Salu.
	Also, the explanation for the microwave: it interferes with our Wi-Fi signal and it'll fuck the stream up and all our shit if we run if we run the microwave while we're streaming.
	So can't do that.
	Okay, we have a chat here from Stiffler, unfortunately, because reasons.
	His question, Stiffler's question is: rate your looks on the scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I probably give myself a good, probably a six.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	In the age 53.
	Into the mics in the age 53 category, we're going to go a strong eight.
	Okay, what about you?
	Ten.
	Okay, what about you?
	Bro, you know your turn's about to be fucked.
	Oh my god, bro.
	I don't 5.5.
	Like a six.
	Like an eight.
	Eight.
	Eight.
	Why don't average?
	Oh, sorry.
	I was a bit premature there.
	Cue the jokes.
	I give myself a five.
	Why don't average women, like, don't they just consider themselves average?
	That's always confused me, but okay.
	Okay, who are you referring to?
	Like almost everybody who rated themselves like more than a six or a seven.
	Can I comment?
	Sure, go ahead.
	I've watched quite a bit of these when they rate themselves.
	And when the girls say 10, they always get flack.
	But I just feel like you're always going to be ugly to someone.
	You're always going to be beautiful to someone.
	And if you truly value how you were made, then you don't really need anybody to validate because everybody in their own way is a 10.
	Like you may have not the most appealing face to somebody, but if your character is amazing, that makes you a 10.
	If your character's garbage, but you look pretty, that may make you lower.
	So it just if the framework and foundation for the question is not just strictly about me, and it's about, okay, some self-assessment of what you think other people might assess you as and what the truth actually is, then but the truth is relative to who's saying it.
	Because if a man loves long blonde hair, they're going to be thinking a long blonde hair is a 10 over someone who has long brown hair with long blonde hair who are like all not tens.
	I was just like the sole determiner.
	I understand where she's but I'm just making an example.
	Like depending on what your preferences are, what you're attracted to, that's going to determine if you think someone is beautiful or not.
	If you think there are five versus someone who strictly likes Latino women are going to think maybe black women are ones.
	Or it literally is just a controlled experiment is for Brian to put up what he believes to be a 10.
	And then we can rate ourselves against that.
	Basically.
	So Brian, what is average to you, Brian?
	Because you always ask that, but you ask on a scale of one to 10.
	Well, which one is average?
	Five.
	Five would be average.
	Five is average, the middle.
	Yeah.
	I just, I think that, like, say, if we were to rate each other, every single person would give.
	Every single person would give every person at this table different answers, most likely.
	Like, we're not all going to agree on something.
	You could average it out and come to something.
	Sure, but then if you ask a group of 10 different people, you know, like my point is if you were to ask, I'm sorry, go on.
	Well, you're the amount of people there you reference 10 is very low.
	But if you do 100,000, for example, if this was even possible, you don't think there would be any patterns?
	No, I mean, I'm sure that there would be, but I just do not think that there would ever be a uniform answer.
	And I think that this goes to show.
	Well, hold on.
	Yes.
	So I'm not, I agree that like one person might say, like, there's outliers, right?
	So somebody could say this person is like a seven, and somebody else might say that person's a three.
	Can I ask you a question, though?
	Sure.
	If I were to ask all the women in the United States if they think Donald Trump is more physically attractive than like Brad Pitt when he was 25, what do you think?
	Like, do you think it would be purely subjective?
	It's purely subjective that there wouldn't be any sort of...
	This is wrong.
	Okay, that's great.
	You don't think that there would be any sort of consensus?
	Well, I'm sure that there would be.
	Like I said, I think that's a good idea.
	What do you think the consensus would be?
	I think that people would probably say Brad Pitt is more attractive.
	And you know what?
	There probably would be exceptions.
	But I also think that if you were asked to rate Brad Pitt on a scale of one to 10, people would say different things.
	You can guess a range, sure.
	But all of this goes to show that if we are defining like objective beauty based on what the collective thinks and the collective cannot agree, sure, you can find an average.
	Sure, you can guess.
	But the point is, no one's like view is ever going to be objective.
	We can't come to a conclusion of what is most correct when it comes to something that can't be quantified in any real way.
	Well, I mean, so beauty, it's not objective in the strict philosophical sense, but there are, it's not purely subjective either.
	So there are objective components to it.
	Yeah, there are like beauty standards.
	There are, you know, just things which change depending on who you are.
	Where you are and what age you are.
	Absolutely.
	Who you're asking and all of the things.
	Where you ask these things.
	Like, I think that.
	Well, but even across cultures and time periods, there's still sort of generalized things that have always been deemed as attractive or beautiful.
	Things like symmetry, balance, these sorts of things.
	Even across cultures, there are things that would just make, regardless of your race or whatever it is, would make you physically attractive in symmetry.
	In symmetry, yes.
	In that case, is your argument that those are the only things that we can judge based on if we all agree upon them?
	Because otherwise, they don't really hold much.
	It doesn't matter that we all agree because it doesn't hold any more weight than the things we disagree on.
	And if you go back in time, like 60, 70, 80 years, the body of a woman that was considered beautiful and healthy is going to be completely different than the body of a woman who's completely healthy right now.
	Even if you go back to before the Kardashians, that beauty standard has changed drastically.
	And so, well, they paid to look like that too.
	I mean, that's definitely that in the beginning.
	Even they are taking out all their plastics.
	Well, not all of it, but they're taking out some of their plastic surgery.
	But I think it's like, yeah, it's the case that beauty standards change over time, but these are typically like typically fairly small.
	For example, I don't think that for most of human history, obesity has been deemed to be attractive.
	Incorrect.
	Very correct.
	Very correct.
	No, there was absolutely periods in history, whether it be the Roman times, whether it be old English times, where a Zaftig, where having a plumpness denoted wealth, riches.
	So they're attracted to that, not the actual.
	That's a representation of something.
	Oh, yeah, that's the look.
	So whether you were plump, you were fat.
	Am I wrong on this?
	There were very little ones.
	Hold on, but there were like, first off, back in that time, people weren't like, like, you're talking about royalty and shit, like kings and queens and princes and princes.
	Have you ever seen the Queen Victoria?
	The meme that always goes around is she, like, the men that killed themselves because they couldn't get her.
	Did you ever see her?
	Yeah, do you think that people were marrying back then, especially like the aristocracy or like royalty, they were marrying for looks?
	Or they were married for the moment.
	Habsburgs, look at the Habsburg dynasty.
	Right, exactly.
	They were marrying.
	Hold on, they were marrying for like some sort of political or diplomatic benefit.
	Correct.
	Right.
	It has nothing to do with looks.
	Okay, hold on.
	You very conveniently slot.
	You like almost gaslight from one topic into another and you do this thing and it's very, very slick.
	I've never seen it before.
	But damn, I want to steal that move.
	I'm literally engaging with your argument.
	Okay, but you do this thing where let's stick back to the topic.
	Were there times in history?
	Brian, were there times in history where obese women, chubby women, Zaftig women were the it?
	The beauty standard.
	So I don't think we have like really good records among like, for example, so we can point to like aristocracy, royalty, and that, yeah, it could be like a better political match for you to go with this princess and she's fat as fuck, but she's like going to confer benefits to your family and survival.
	So that's 100% different than like, I don't know what the peasantry was doing, but I think on the base biological level, obesity is not like inherently something that's deemed physically attractive.
	It was, Brian, because listening to the outlier.
	No, and because of famine, there were no, but that doesn't engage with my conversation.
	Yeah, if you're a fucking-stop man.
	Okay, hold on.
	First off, if you're a starving peasant, you're not going to, whether you're a man or a woman, you're probably not going to be able to pair off in a marriage with a super wealthy person, like a super wealthy prince or princess.
	Can the average guy looking at a Kardashian pair off with a Kardashian?
	No, you're the one citing to hystericity and like princes and princesses in the 1500s.
	What I'm talking about is you're saying, oh, well, it implies that they have wealth.
	Okay, the peasantry class didn't have access to wealth, period.
	Your initial question is problematic because you said, why can't average looking people ever say they're average?
	So in your point of view.
	Yes, this is a very average.
	Yeah, this is an average looking.
	So in your point of view, that's in your opinion.
	Right.
	That this panel is average.
	That's your opinion.
	So according to you, we should have all rated ourselves five.
	Thank you.
	No, not all of you five, but I'm saying, generally speaking, maybe one of you is one or two points above.
	Okay, but we can't pick seven.
	So such a great point.
	You know, like, and I think, I think this is, here's how I look at it.
	No, no, no.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Yeah.
	Which of the women here do you think is above average?
	All of them?
	I'm not doing that.
	Don't do it.
	I'm not doing that.
	Here's my philosophy.
	Here's my philosophy.
	No, no, no, hold on, hold on.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	Do you think all the women here are above average?
	Don't do it.
	I'm not answering that.
	Well, because I am not, because again, no, I'm not refusing to engage.
	I'm saying that just because when I said your question was problematic, my opinion doesn't matter.
	As long as I'm sure she is a 10 to her husband.
	And that's all that matters.
	She is a 10 to her fiancé.
	That's all that matters.
	My teammate used to say, I may not be a 10, but I clean up well.
	And that is how I look at it.
	You might not call me a 10 on your personal pretty scale, and I'm okay with that because I ain't trying to do nothing with you on that level.
	But if you give us the Brian prototype for 10, we will all measure ourselves against the perfect Brian prototype for 10.
	Right.
	And I'm trying.
	And you know what?
	These girls that you have sitting behind you, they're beautiful.
	Give us a beautiful beautiful closer to the average 10 than I am, which is why they're sitting behind you.
	And that's okay.
	That's okay.
	What's your average 10?
	Beautiful.
	They're both beautiful.
	I'm not going to fight that.
	I don't need to be a 10 on your personal pretty scale.
	I can give you a couple women who are.
	Please do.
	Please give us.
	Yeah, so I would say like, you know, Megan Fox when she was younger, like when she was 20, whatever.
	She's fine.
	Everybody loves me.
	Maybe like young Anna DeR. Moss or whatever.
	A lot of people say she's very beautiful.
	So these are, you know, perhaps women who a lot of people would consider 10.
	So yeah, sure.
	Maybe Adriana Lima when she was young.
	Beautiful.
	Gorgeous.
	Yes.
	No, no.
	But I want to kind of dig in on the one woman who called herself a 10.
	You said you're a 10.
	Can you tell me another woman who you think is a 10?
	Yeah, totally.
	Pam.
	Everybody, everybody going down, everybody.
	Oh, Brian.
	I'm sorry.
	I understand.
	I understand what you're about to say to me.
	What am I about to say?
	I am not.
	If we're trying to claim we're talking objectively and shit, I don't think that's possible, but I do genuinely believe that she is the most beautiful she's capable of being.
	I think that I, I do genuinely believe she's beautiful.
	This is not to be kind, right?
	I am not looking at her and thinking like, oh, I need to make her think she's pretty.
	That's not what's happening in my head.
	I love the Discord plays the looks resources tab.
	My opinion here is, first of all, you did not ask us what we think the majority of people would rate us.
	If you asked me that, I would answer something different.
	I think it ought to be the same thing.
	No, I view myself differently.
	Very different questions.
	Everybody's viewing it different.
	Okay, well, what is, I guess, if that's true then, what is...
	I am so sad.
	How...
	How does this manifest itself in entitlement?
	How does it manifest?
	Ooh, that's a good question.
	I would like to tell you, that's a hard question, though.
	So how are you going to make title?
	That is a good question.
	That's the crux of it.
	So if somebody believes themselves to be something that they just are not, then they feel perhaps entitled to a caliber of person that based on their looks or whatever other metrics they have, they will never get that person.
	I believe being realistic and pragmatic is better than being idealistic and delusional.
	Always.
	You're Syrian.
	Yes.
	My roots are Mediterranean, Sicilian, Italian, Syrian.
	I had that nose.
	I had that nose.
	I changed it.
	The beauty ideal, the standard.
	Okay.
	This, to me, is absolutely beautiful.
	It is all, no, it's all completely...
	Wait, hold on.
	If it's beautiful, why did you get a nose job?
	You just defeated your own opinion.
	You've just got patience.
	And I'm looking at her going, at the time, you know, I was being made fun of, this, that, and the other thing.
	I caved to a beauty standard.
	Did I make the right decision?
	Brian, you're not a woman.
	You don't have any idea what we go through.
	Oh, you don't want to hear my opinion on this.
	I think male beauty standards are harder to achieve than female beauty.
	No, that's.
	Everybody, hold on.
	I'm fucking dead serious.
	It's harder for a man to achieve the male aspiration standards.
	No question.
	Case in point, you.
	No question.
	But here we have a situation.
	No, I'm teasing you, Brian.
	You're in space right now.
	No, look, I'll give you an example.
	So if we look at celebrities, can I just finish?
	No, no, no.
	Let me respond to your thing now.
	So, okay, if we look at celebrities and we look at movie stars, actors, actresses, we look at them.
	You look at superhero movies.
	Superhero movies typically cast the top tier celebrities that we have.
	And we know that when it comes to Hollywood, when it comes to movies, looks are so important.
	If we look, though, in terms of achievability between male superheroes versus female superheroes, it's way harder to achieve the male aspirational body type than it is to achieve the female aspirational body type.
	Who said?
	Okay, you look at like female superheroes, Scarlett Johansson or whatever, you just need to like diet and maybe do some Pilates classes.
	If you want to have, what's it, Chris Hemsworth?
	Is that the guy who plays Thor?
	You literally need to do steroids.
	You want to be Wolverine?
	He does steroids.
	They all do steroids.
	Brian, this is so subjective to your genetics.
	I mean, no, it's literally true.
	These guys, and also they treat the gym like a full-time job, and it takes years and years to achieve that kind of physique as a man.
	Literally, 18-year-old women have better, like naturally without fucking doing fuck all, have better bodies than like female depictions and female aspirational body depictions.
	This is so apples to oranges.
	Like I hear you.
	It's literally true.
	It's absolutely.
	The amount of women that have that ideal genetic type.
	More women have that body type than men do.
	I also would love to.
	Am I wrong?
	Real quick, I don't think that superheroes are the best example.
	Superheroes are not made to be the most attractive they're capable of being.
	I think that a good majority of women don't want super buff men.
	Okay.
	This is like something that's a little bit different.
	Yeah, this is like a huge thing.
	Women don't want super buff men.
	The reason that we're seeing superheroes is that the reason that we're seeing this in superhero movies is because male superheroes, their idea is to be this like, you know, inspirational thing for young boys.
	They're like this cool character that does good, cool things, right?
	And then women are kind of put on the screen to be like sexy, you know?
	They serve different purposes in film because of misogyny, but it is not because we are, but I'm trying to explain to you why that difference comes up.
	Hold on, but we're talking about the male gaze versus the female gaze.
	So like, would you agree that women do certain things with their look, with their looks, that appeals to the female gaze versus the male gaze?
	Like, for example, you always do.
	Hold on.
	Bucal fat.
	I don't know how to pronounce it.
	Buckle fat removal.
	Bucal fat removal.
	Whatever the fuck it's called.
	Buckle fat.
	Women do that shit for other women.
	Men don't like that fucking look.
	That's fucking terrible.
	It's any of the fat in the face.
	Lip filler.
	Men don't like that.
	There's a lot of things women do that men don't like.
	Hold on.
	So any of the fat in here, the women have it removed so that they can look chiseled.
	We're all going to get there eventually, but they're removing the buckle fat and now they look super chiseled.
	Who's the Hadid girl?
	They all know the other woman.
	They all want to look like Bella, but the thing they don't realize is between your 20s and your 30s, the buckle fat dissipates.
	Like she has beautiful contour, like a beautiful face.
	How old are you?
	Thank you.
	20.
	I'll be 29.
	Oh, both of you.
	Both of you.
	29 and how old are you?
	19.
	So in the next 10 years, you guys will see that the face will thin out and the buckle fat will be gone.
	But I don't disagree with what you're saying, Brian, but we're comparing apples and oranges.
	I mean, men and women, superheroes.
	Angry feminists donated $200.
	I hate the rating question because it shows how narcissistic and Delulu women are.
	Stop making us look insane.
	You all fall for it because you are stubborn and need to be right, and you make us look stupid.
	Look, you used to do real estate.
	Guys, stop, stop.
	Fuck.
	If you're just fucking saying some bullshit prattle to each other, stop.
	Unless you're making some like palpable contribution or substantive conversation, stop with the fucking bickering with each other.
	Like I warned you multiple times.
	God damn.
	Mom or dad.
	You used to do real estate, right?
	I've had a real estate license, but my father owned a lot of real estate.
	My husband and I own a real estate portfolio.
	And you would agree that the market dictates the cost of a house?
	100%.
	Right.
	So for example, like let's say some like the market would say, well, this house, and you might agree that the market would say it's between the range of 400,000 and 600,000.
	Correct.
	Maybe, maybe that's a bit wide.
	I was going to say that.
	Yeah, close the gap.
	Maybe it's like $450,000 to $550,000, something like that.
	I don't know.
	Maybe that's still too much of a wide gap, right?
	What if the owner of the house, though, says, you know what?
	I don't give a fuck what the outside world is telling me.
	This house is worth $3 million.
	And I'm not going to settle.
	I'm not going to settle for anything less than $3 million.
	Is that house ever going to get sold?
	Yes.
	Because when the right person comes along, it will sell or it won't.
	Real estate, a home is an emotional purchase to a woman.
	It's in real estate.
	What?
	So just to be clear, have you represented a client?
	I'm sorry, let's talk triple net leases.
	My father owned the FUD Ruckers across from Hershey, the Hershey Medical Center.
	Okay, true.
	Let's talk triple net leases.
	Commercial properties, great.
	You're saying I used to do real estate.
	What do you want to know?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	You want to talk commercial real estate?
	Because you said triple N?
	Okay, cool.
	Triple net.
	You know what a triple net lease is?
	NNN, triple N, triple net.
	Yeah, same thing.
	No, triple net.
	Yeah, triple N, triple net, same thing.
	What is it, Brian?
	It's commercial leases.
	What does a triple net lease specifically denote?
	Hold on, there's three nets to a triple net.
	It's the tenant pays the rent, utilities, the taxes, and the improvements.
	That's a triple net lease, Brian.
	I did my father's 40-year triple net lease on Flux.
	So if I have an office space and I say, and the market value for that office space is like $3,000 a month to rent the commercial space or whatever, but like here I am, some fucking landlord, and I'm like, you know what?
	This is the fucking, and it's actually in the slum or some shit.
	This is one day that, you know, oh my God, this property here.
	You know what?
	I'm going to rent this out for $50,000 a month.
	But the market would say, no, it's worth $3,000.
	Is it ever going to get leased?
	You can only do what the water level will bear, what the market will bear.
	You can only do what the water level will seek for the property, for the estate, for whatever it is.
	So there's a certain amount of emotional.
	Is it commercial?
	Is it your home?
	Women will buy, well, they'll pay more because women base real estate decisions on emotion.
	Brian, you don't like, I think you're pandering to your male audience here to bury us.
	I'm not pairing to so I really would love to.
	Hold on, I'll explain like this.
	So I agree that you can like price your property a little bit above market value and you might get a buyer.
	You might get a buyer, right?
	It's still going to be hard.
	Sometimes these people come out, they really like the property, maybe there's something special, but whatever.
	But like if the elevation to which you're asking for a property that would otherwise cost $1 million, the market value is $1 million, and you price it at $5 million, you did real estate.
	You must agree with me that if you've, because I have a perfect story to this.
	If you've priced a property at $1 million, you're not going to get $5 million for it.
	I have a perfect story to this.
	You don't want it.
	It's anecdotal.
	Give me your exception to the- My father was dying a couple of years ago.
	He's in the Hershey Medical Center.
	I fly home.
	I look at his portfolio and I said, Dad, you're going to put a wahwah in the FUD Ruckers, but you gave them three years of free rent to do a triple net.
	I said, how the fuck are you supposed to live for the next three years?
	So I said, this is a terrible deal.
	His partner, his Italian partner, he didn't speak to in 40 years, wouldn't sign off.
	I said, I don't blame Mr. Catalone for not signing this.
	My father had two tubes in his kidneys, one in his penis calf.
	What the fuck does this have to do with this?
	And he tried to strangle me.
	Hang on, he tried to strangle me for saying this.
	The bottom line was, I was absolutely right.
	And when I said to him, what you need to do is I got his partner to agree to sell his share.
	And I said, you got to tell everyone that you're dying and you're going to take the highest bidder.
	My father was able to go out and market the FUD Ruckers and smoked property by saying, I'll take the highest bidder on this commercial property, thereby selling it for two to three times more than it was worth because it was the opportunity to buy the gateway to Hershey at that time.
	So it's subjective to the situation.
	I don't care about the exception to the rule.
	Generally speaking, is a property and all the houses around it are valued at a million and this house is valued at a million.
	That's what it is.
	And you put it on the market for $5 million, generally speaking, is that house going to sell?
	No, it's not.
	Sorry, can I please jump in here?
	Why can't people, I don't get why with this exception bullshit.
	Look, the point I'm trying to make with this is if a woman, because of her own whatever, she thinks she's a 10, cool.
	Is that going to then entitle her to thinking she can get a caliber of guy that she ain't ever going to get commitment from?
	Yes.
	There's leagues.
	What I would like to say here, I think that a major problem in this whole conversation that kind of negates everything that's been spoken about, beauty does not equate to value.
	Yes, people can like value that you should be attracted to your partner.
	Yes, absolutely.
	But I'm not.
	Do you believe in pretty privilege?
	No, of course I do.
	You think, you, do you genuinely think that 10 out of 10 beautiful women don't fare better when it comes to so beautiful women and ugly women have just as much options, just as many options.
	No, I believe in pretty privilege.
	So this would seem to come.
	So what we're referencing is in relationships, right?
	I do not think that anyone is dating someone or staying in a long-term relationship purely based off of physical attraction.
	That doesn't work.
	That's not functional.
	Sure, you.
	This is a female projection, I think, a little bit.
	Is it now?
	Well, I think so.
	Men care about less things than women do, but those things that men do care about, they care about them quite a bit.
	So your argument is that men are more shallow?
	My argument is that men care about looks more than women do.
	So they are more shallow?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Well, there's other dimensions and metrics by which women can be shallow.
	Sure.
	I mean, okay, by this law.
	Like, for example, I think women care more about money than men do.
	Sure.
	In terms of what they want in a partner.
	Are women more shallow because of that?
	Okay.
	I personally believe, obviously, I rated myself a 10, right?
	Do I think that everyone else thinks I'm a 10?
	No, absolutely not.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	I also think that I have an awesome personality.
	I think I'm funny.
	I think I'm charming.
	I'm super kind.
	I'm really cool.
	I'm intelligent.
	But I do not think that because I personally find myself attractive, I don't go around thinking like, oh my God, everyone's going to want me.
	If someone sees me and thinks that I'm hot, right?
	That doesn't necessarily, like, that's not always a good thing.
	If they just want to date me because I'm hot, that's not someone I want to date anyways.
	Yeah, I agree that there's other components to relationships than just looks.
	But obviously physical attraction is a massive part of dating.
	Otherwise, there wouldn't be a fucking trillion-dollar cosmetics industry to basically, what's the word for it?
	To the trillion-dollar cosmetics industry to placate the insecurities of women as it relates to your physical appearance.
	Well, it's because we do women spend trillions of dollars on cosmetics if they didn't.
	So is it women spend way more money on cosmetics?
	Are women more superficial?
	No, I think that women are taught from birth that their looks are their most valuable asset and that they must look a certain way to get anywhere in life.
	I don't think it's true, but I do think that that is something that is instilled into our brains from a very young age, and it takes a lot of dismantling to get past that.
	Did you buy makeup?
	It is true.
	Me?
	Yeah, not anymore.
	Okay, you did too?
	Okay, great.
	So at least you're consistent there.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	I was going to say I would agree with Pamela when she was saying how you were saying how when they get the bucle fabric, that it's other women who essentially make them do that.
	So I don't even know.
	I know for a lot of people, it may be men that encourage them to wear makeup and do all the things.
	But honestly, I think women get on social media.
	I think they get on all of these things and start comparing themselves to other women to these unreachable standards because either way, you're going to feel empty the more you keep trying to change yourself because you're not okay with who you are on the inside.
	So at the end of the day, it's just a food chain.
	We're all trying to find the best provider, the best man, right?
	The same way the man's trying to find the best woman to have his children and take care of the home.
	Brian, let me ask you something.
	If you were to marry, you would need not just the virgin, because we know this, that you would want like the really nice girl, but you would need the strong woman who you know could take care of the home, right?
	Wouldn't you need a very strong woman?
	Strong.
	I don't know if strong is the right word.
	That you know that if you had to travel, she could take care of I'm saying the virgin is like the ultimate manifestation of in terms of that male desire.
	Purity.
	But like I would date a woman who's not a virgin.
	But I mean, it is a consideration like a woman's body count, but it's not like I must date a woman who's a virgin.
	No, but what I'm asking is, don't you need a capable woman that if you're traveling, say you're doing a podcast around the world, you have to know that she can take care of the kids in the home.
	Something catastrophic happens.
	You have to have faith in this woman.
	So there has to be a modicum of strength.
	I care about other things besides just looks, yes.
	So okay.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's not just about being the ideal 10.
	It's about so many other things.
	Yeah, I agree.
	And I think, like, for example, I mean, some men fall for this all the time.
	They see a pretty face, but she's like a terrible person.
	And they're like, they still go.
	They still pursue it.
	And that's a recipe for disaster.
	I think you should, look, physical looks comes first, but if she's a terrible person, you shouldn't date her.
	Like, I'd much rather date.
	Now, obviously, there's extremes, right?
	Like, okay, well, well, Brian, would you date like a one, but she's like the most amazing person ever, or would you date like there is a point where there's just a threshold of she's just not physically attractive enough that I would be regardless of how amazing she is, that I just, there wouldn't be that physical attraction there.
	There, we don't need to, okay.
	Um, we don't, sorry, I lost my train of comments.
	No, you said that there has to be a level of physical attraction, yeah, there needs to be a base level of physical attractiveness.
	So, even if like a person who's like super ugly conceivably would be like a perfect match for me on a personality basis, like it's just a non-starter in the conversation.
	So, let me ask you a question.
	Let's say you got your Brian's perfect 10, right?
	You marry her, you have a life with her, something tragic happens to her that changes every physical thing about her.
	So, now that she no longer has this physical attraction, where's her value now?
	Oh, the burn.
	That's just the question.
	I'm not well.
	First off, I don't want to get married.
	Why not?
	Why not?
	That's not the quote.
	That's behind the side.
	Sure, okay.
	I want to spend the, you know, whatever, mother of my children, et cetera, et cetera.
	I mean, how crazy is the disfigurement?
	Brian, you didn't.
	That is not.
	That tells me all I need to know about.
	I'm not.
	I mean, if it's such a change, I mean, you're talking about like Brian, we went to relative earlier and you said relative didn't work, but when it comes to the disfigurement of your Anita De Armis or whatever, it comes into that.
	That is wild, bro.
	How is that wild?
	How is that wild?
	Because you have such strong opinions about so many things, but when it comes to something like that, which is a deep thing, it's like, oh, well, hopefully she didn't get ran over and toe, you know.
	Is it like a toe or a leg?
	Like, wait, you know?
	Oh, let's test this out and see.
	Wait, let's say she's like a really bad burn victim, like severe burns all over her body.
	You can recognize her face.
	Like, you can't even, her ear is messed up, like that bad.
	All over, head to toe.
	Snatch included.
	So, like, she couldn't bear me children or something?
	Is that no, no, she touched the big ladies?
	She's just head to toe, everything.
	I mean, look, that's it's a difficult question.
	I think it's a nuanced thing.
	Obviously, this you're not gonna like this.
	Hold on.
	The circumstances, the circumstances, I've never been faced with this sort of situation.
	It's a super extreme example.
	It's honestly hard for me to actually say what I would do in that situation.
	Conceivably, it would, if I stayed with her, it would probably have massive, yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Well, hold on.
	Let's test this out since you're all on your moral background.
	No, we're not.
	The whole point is everything has served.
	Stop.
	Respectfully, I was about to make my point.
	You've cut people off all the time.
	Yeah, I'm the host.
	I'm the host.
	I will willingly cut people off as I see fit, as it is part of being a host to do so.
	No self-control.
	So there's plenty of self-control.
	But you guys, look, it's one versus eight of you because we got some Christian feminists at the table.
	So, anyways, back to this.
	Whoa, whoa, what?
	Yeah, you guys are fucking feminists.
	Anyways, covert feminists.
	So, anyways.
	Absolutely not.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I'd like to finish my point.
	Who here values good health in a partner?
	I do.
	Like, do you want your partner?
	Like, I don't know, maybe you want your partner.
	They don't have to be like some super athlete, but you'd like them to be physically fit.
	Who here values that?
	Okay, so you, if you get off your moral high horse a little bit, if you were dating a guy and at first he was physically fit, but he let himself go after marriage and he became obese, would you stay with him?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So it wouldn't cause any conflict in your relationship when this person who at one point, like you don't think a partner has some duty to maintain their physical health?
	Oh, I 100% do.
	And if he, if something happened and he gained a bunch of weight or lost his physical fitness, then absolutely, I would probably be less attracted to him at that moment.
	But you know what we would do?
	We will work together.
	We try to figure it out.
	We would try to figure out why.
	Now, if he lost, if he had some incurable illness and that's why he was gaining weight, or if he had a tragic accident, as in our example, and that is why he gained weight or that is why he looked different, then yes, I would absolutely stay with him.
	Like that's not even.
	Because women are these like moral, these creatures of moral superiority where once they've made a commitment to the man.
	Hold on.
	Once a woman has made a commitment to a man and his circumstances change or the circumstances of the relation change, they never break up.
	Women never break up with men.
	Women never divorce men.
	No one's definitely.
	No one's saying that.
	Women all the time.
	I got this one.
	Hold on.
	Women all the time, due to a change in circumstances, divorce their husbands, break up with their boyfriends.
	So this idea that, oh no, because of the change in circumstances in the relationship, you can't like feel a new way about your per that's ridiculous.
	No one said that overwhelmingly, women overwhelmingly end relationships.
	Women overwhelmingly initiate divorces.
	This idea that women are like steadfast, this idea that women are steadfast in sticking with their husbands through thick and thin.
	No, the moment shit gets hard, that's when the women peace out and they do it for far less than like please say something.
	But you asked me.
	A man's change, a man's change in his like financial status, the number one reason for divorce is because of finances.
	We're not going to be able to do that.
	So the moment a man, this idea that I don't care about your exception, honestly.
	The point is, this idea that, oh my God, Brian, yeah, if there was like a massive, I don't know what I, I'm giving you the honest answer.
	I can't definitively state what I would do in that situation.
	I can't definitely definitively state that's full covered in burns and I'm going to be the caretaker for the rest of her life.
	I don't know.
	That might be too much for me to handle.
	I've got my own fucking problem.
	But that means she, as a person, as a human being, as a soul, did not have actual value to you.
	Thank you.
	If her exterior changed, her as a person, okay.
	That's just him being human.
	I assume you care about your producer very much, right?
	If we're making, if we're going to make, I'm gay for Nick.
	Go ahead.
	I'm gay for him.
	Go ahead.
	Make sure you're not going to be able to do that.
	It might be the most solid relationship.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm heterosexual for him.
	Go ahead.
	If something about him changed, is that going to make you value him less as a person and say, oh man, you might not need to be my producer anymore?
	Yes, if he walked over here and took a shit on the table, I'd fire him.
	That's not even comparable, but I thought at the beginning of this, we couldn't make wild comparisons, but apparently that's.
	You know, I deep dove you and you were like a skinny young kid, like saying nice things to people on the street years ago.
	When did you become so jaded?
	How is this joy?
	I feel like you speak from a lot of pain.
	There's a lot of pain behind it.
	And I said at the beginning, I value you so much.
	Who hurt you?
	I value you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	When I first got here, I said to you, I value you so much because I watched you run around here and get this stuff done yourself.
	4.5 million followers and you still do your own stuff.
	That's so impactful and that's wonderful and I admire you.
	But how you have spoken to women, it's like you always want to just be right.
	You don't let any woman in to tell you at a board.
	Yeah, like we don't have to be able to see each other's point of view, whether we disagree or not, and just discount.
	I don't see your point of view.
	But you're condescending that you don't.
	You won't let it in.
	And you don't let you're blocking.
	You've been dogpiling.
	This entire panel has been dogpiling you for the last time.
	You've been gaslighting us.
	We haven't even been talking about you.
	You've got us.
	I haven't talked about anything else but you.
	We haven't been talking about you.
	Define gaslighting.
	You've used it a couple times.
	How am I gaslighting?
	Okay, do you know what gaslighting is?
	It's from the 90s.
	I'm asking for your definition.
	Okay, gaslighting is from the old movie with Angela Lansberry and who is it?
	Yeah, define it.
	Okay, gaslighting is when it's the old expression when a husband would convince a wife that something was one way and it absolutely was not.
	And it was the way they could get a wife committed to an insane asylum and then go off and marry someone else.
	That's the definition.
	Brian, whether you like it or not, that's the fucking definition.
	Okay, so what have I done?
	I've been gaslighting us.
	What did I do specifically?
	Everything we've said.
	You ask a question and then you gaslight us.
	You don't mind.
	There have been multiple times where you've been like, no one gives a shit about you saying you asked the question.
	Being subjective.
	No one gives a shit about your subjective opinion.
	Didn't say that.
	I didn't say that.
	But all of a sudden, it matters when it's subjective to you.
	Right.
	That's literally not true at all.
	Yes, that is true.
	No, my issue was your refusal to answer the question.
	We all answered.
	Or asking questions.
	You didn't like it.
	No, you guys, when I asked you a question, I gave you a hypothetical.
	You had two choices, only two options.
	And then you said it's subjective.
	I agree with you.
	That's true.
	It's subjective.
	So I'm not denying that it's subjective.
	That wouldn't be gaslighting, but I'm here with the gaslighting.
	You got to stop interrupting.
	So, but when I come back to it and I say, well, I agree that it's subjective, but still answer the hypothetical.
	You didn't agree it was subjective until 15 minutes into us beating you down on subjective.
	And when she went down her rabbit hole, there was no dispute that it was subjective.
	Brian, you didn't maintain a straight trajectory.
	It didn't, the conversation, you went into because you're pandering to your misogynistic following men.
	Okay, let's engage with the misogyny or whatever.
	So, first off, these are my actual beliefs.
	I'm not pandering to anybody.
	If I really wanted to pander, trust me, there's a bunch of things that I could do to pander, but I don't.
	Do it.
	Oh, for example, the fact that like probably 80% of my audience is Christian, and it would be like super beneficial to me and especially financially beneficial to me to lie that I'm a Christian, but I'm not prepared, even though it would be beneficial.
	Are you Christian?
	I'm agnostic.
	So I have pro-Christian sentiment.
	I have pro-Christian sentiment.
	I don't have any issues with Christianity.
	I think Christianity is actually very beneficial, but I'm not, and actually a component of Christianity actually is telling the truth.
	So I would never lie for the benefit of any.
	Trust me, a lot of people grift and claim they're religious or whatever, but I don't have negative thoughts towards Christianity.
	But trust me, if I came out, okay, I'm starting a ministry, blah, blah, blah.
	I could grift the fuck out of being a Christian.
	And since my audience is actually very religious, that would benefit me.
	So that would be like the biggest grift I could do, but I don't do it.
	I don't do it.
	Not because, just to be clear, again, I have pro-Christian sentiment, but I'm not there yet in terms of my belief in basically agnostic.
	I don't, okay.
	So, anyways, so I'm not pandering.
	Also, there's plenty of things that my audience disagrees with me on, too.
	Like, I got into a pit bull fucking debate the other day.
	Half my audience was like, unsubscribed.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I don't know.
	I don't think you're pandering.
	I sometimes don't think that you realize what you're saying and doing with the conversation.
	Like, for example, you asked me if I would stay with somebody.
	I answered in a way that did not agree with you.
	And then you went on a rant about how, like, you disregarded my answer and then went on a rant about women in general being exactly the opposite of what I did.
	Yeah, my job here is not to like pat you guys on the back and put on the kid gloves and like affirm every single thing you say here.
	This podcast is adversarial in nature.
	You guys have watched it.
	You know what you got into.
	So yeah, but I'm not pandering here.
	My but you're gaslighting.
	I just don't think you have to be right.
	I don't meet the definition.
	It doesn't meet the definition of gaslighting, whatever I'm doing.
	Disagreeing with women is gaslighting.
	Okay.
	No, it's not that.
	It's you take it down a path.
	We broach the subject and you take it down a path that works for you.
	You make it conversationally positive to your agenda, not necessarily the facts that we're presenting.
	And we are dismissed, which is our roles from the day we enter this earth.
	We are dismissed.
	Our opinions are dismissed.
	This is supposed to be the place that we came on to not be dismissed, to be heard.
	But you gaslit and through your agenda, you were the host and you can do as you please.
	Basically, yeah.
	Yeah, that's how you do it.
	Are you pandering to him?
	But what's your what's your genuine, what do you think your genuine purpose is for this podcast?
	Like, what's your ultimate goal when you have conversations with these women?
	What's my ultimate goal for you?
	Yeah.
	Like, what are you trying to accomplish?
	Yeah, the objectives you had one thing you were trying to accomplish.
	What would that be with these conversations?
	Yeah, I mean, there's a couple different answers here.
	I wouldn't say that there's just one.
	So, first off, I have a YouTube channel.
	I want to put on a fun, entertaining show for my audience.
	But secondly, I do want to engage.
	Like, I have strong beliefs as it relates to society, as it relates to dating.
	I think dating is completely fucked up.
	I think there's a lot wrong with dating.
	And I'm tackling what I view and what, as I say in my intro, the dating hellscape, making sense of the dating hellscape through conversations.
	Obviously, I have very, very deep roots, I guess you could say, as it comes to what I believe.
	I have firm beliefs.
	This isn't a change my mind.
	This is, I want to argue with you because I think I'm right.
	That's what this show is about.
	It's not, that's purpose.
	I'm so grateful that you said so on that screen.
	Yeah, I'm so grateful.
	I love that.
	I'm not trying to crowd or change my mind.
	No, firm beliefs.
	Let's just argue about it.
	That's fine.
	That's what I mean.
	Touch.
	I need to show you.
	Touch it.
	Charlie, did you kick that second backwash champagne?
	Because I'm not driving home.
	I'm the pastor.
	No, we're good.
	No more alcohol.
	Look, I mean, the, anyways, I don't know.
	Let me get things back on track here a little bit.
	Just to move things along.
	You're doing great.
	We love you.
	The Discord.
	We'll do the Discord.
	Do you have the age stuff, Nick?
	The AI stuff?
	Okay.
	Really quick, just because the objectivity, objective, subjective came up.
	Pull it up, Nick.
	Okay, so.
	Wow, this is.
	Oh, this is really problematic.
	How's it problematic?
	She's Aboriginal.
	So, anyways.
	What does that mean?
	Well, are you trying to say it's like problematic because she's black or something?
	I didn't even hear the anthropological study that just came out as to why men die earlier and why we women.
	I want to know.
	Tell me why.
	Also, male sperm dies more quickly.
	No, no, I'm dead.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure if you're not.
	No, no, no.
	Because their fucking wives drive them fucking insane, but okay, Women go through menopause, stop procreating, but live longer.
	There's an anthropological study that came out that what does it say?
	It said that the value in the matriarch by being able to pass on the customs, the learnings, the teachings of the tribe are more valuable because there is no reason for a woman post-menopause to be able to live,
	but that these societies were born and bred by the matriarchal passing on of the history, the customs, how you make certain things for survival.
	It was an anthropology.
	What's the name of that?
	Andrew, isn't that what you do?
	Pull up facts for your boss.
	Wait, I'm confused though.
	So anthropological study: why women live past menopause, why men die young, and what is the purpose of allowing women to live?
	Hold on, wouldn't that be the reverse then?
	So if it is the case that pull it up, please.
	No, no, no, but I'm trying to understand the like framing here.
	So your position is that anthropologically, and I disagree with this.
	I think women throughout all life, whether they have children, don't have children, absolutely provide value to their family and community.
	So Mike, if it is the case, though, anthropologically, after menopause, when women can't have children, wouldn't that make the case for the reverse that women should die sooner?
	Which is why science couldn't understand what was the reason that women were living longer, and it was to pass on the traditions for the survival of the species, the survival of the tribes.
	You can argue, I'm not the anthropologist.
	That literally doesn't make any sense.
	Good.
	Men have access to language also.
	What?
	It's not language.
	How do you pass?
	You pass on the.
	It's the secrets of what the women have done in the child rearing, the stories, the recipes, the clothing making, all of the things that it's not even worth looking at.
	That's completely incoherent.
	Men can pass.
	Wait, men can pass on that knowledge also.
	They're out there.
	I'm not the scientist.
	I'm not the archaeologist that came up with this study.
	Here, Nick, pull up the other one.
	There's the Sydney Sweeney one.
	Okay, they don't like it.
	It's problematic.
	It's problematic.
	You could have put her next to Megan Good.
	You could have put her next to any, you could have put her next to Jennifer Garner.
	But you know, you did that on purpose.
	You could have put her next to an older, fat white woman and with no teeth.
	You could have just done that.
	You guys do this assumption thing where you think that there's like malevolent intent or whatever.
	No, not at all the case.
	But Nick, pull up the other one.
	Okay.
	Do you object to this one?
	I don't know.
	She's maybe a Latino woman or something.
	Is this objectionable?
	Is this problematic?
	It is.
	Oh, so you can only see anything wrong with the other person.
	Okay, so question.
	Would it be racist if I showed it?
	So, okay, you're accusing me of racism, basically.
	No, no, that's problematic.
	I used a very specific term.
	Why did not say that?
	That's so problematic.
	Don't put those type of words.
	Please don't.
	So, how about this?
	So, how about this?
	Hold on.
	So, how about this?
	If I showed a really beautiful black woman and a really ugly white woman, would any of you have said that's really problematic?
	No, no, tell me.
	Tell me.
	Yes, I would have.
	Oh, so it would be problematic.
	Because earlier, I said when you asked me what I rated myself.
	Wait, my answer was that everybody is beautiful to somebody and everybody's ugly to somebody.
	It's not inherently problematic because I can sit here and say there's beautiful black women and there's ugly black women.
	There's beautiful white women.
	There's ugly white women.
	In your opinion.
	But somebody who's ugly to you is beautiful to somebody.
	That's not Brian's perspective.
	It's all, you just, but that's fair because you just said that.
	But you acknowledge that the woman on the left is ugly?
	No, I said it's problematic.
	You even posting these pictures is what I'm talking about.
	I don't understand.
	Okay, but it wouldn't be problematic if it was two white women, but one was beautiful, one was ugly.
	I gave you other options that you could have done.
	Yeah, but I don't know.
	Either way, it's not.
	Why would you jump to a conclusion?
	Why would you attribute some sort of malintent as it relates to race?
	I didn't.
	Here's the thing.
	When did I say race?
	Ladies, when did I say anything?
	No, no, no.
	You literally, it is.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let's test that out.
	Let's test out the logic here.
	I'm the one that said that.
	Whoa, why couldn't you have used an ugly white woman and then a beautiful white woman?
	I said that.
	That's about race.
	You could have used Megan Good.
	You could have used Jennifer Garner.
	Who's Morgan?
	Jennifer Garner's a white woman.
	You could have used any, but the problematic part is that you're comparing two human beings when it's subjective who thinks who's beautiful and who thinks who's not.
	One is Aboriginal.
	No, I wouldn't be fine with it.
	That one is Aboriginal.
	She's beautiful and I'm genius.
	Hold on.
	So just to be clear, though, I'm a little confused.
	You say, why don't I use these other people?
	So is the issue then for you, it's not about race, it's just about me using an ugly person?
	No, it's the fact that you're comparing two women.
	Okay, I can see that.
	The point you were.
	I've compared.
	Every time I do this, are you asking this?
	You were probably, and I'm not going to assume, I'm going to say you were probably going to say, okay, which one do you think is more beautiful than the other?
	Yeah, at all.
	You're getting our women.
	It's all about the women.
	You're getting these women to compare the beauty of two women that somebody's going to think they're ugly, somebody's going to think they're beautiful.
	Oh, no.
	Regardless.
	Oh, no.
	Women being, their beauty being compared.
	Heaven forbid, like women do this all the fucking time, too.
	That's the problem.
	There's never been a woman.
	There's never been a woman.
	I've been in those trillions of dollars, remember?
	That's the problem.
	Here's the thing there's never been a woman ever who was like never in charge of like a marketing campaign.
	And, you know, I believe in, I believe pretty privilege is a thing.
	So women absolutely engage in this.
	It's not a sexist thing.
	It's not a racist thing.
	It's literally just looking at beauty.
	No, no, no.
	So your position must be beauty doesn't exist.
	Felicity, can you take the plates and stuff off the table?
	I got you.
	I agree with that.
	I'm the one that said it, and it's because the...
	What do you guys have to talk about?
	The...
	The...
	The prevailing standard of beauty in America has traditionally been white women.
	And the closer you are, the proximity to whiteness depends on how beautiful you are looked at to be.
	And so if we're going to have a conversation about beauty, which is your right.
	This is your show.
	We can do whatever.
	We can talk about whatever you want.
	But it should not be a fat, black, old woman compared to a young, skinny, beautiful white woman.
	Aboriginal.
	Whoever shouldn't be.
	It's not about race.
	It's not about race.
	Yeah, but you say it's not about race, but you're missing the fact that in America, the closer you are to the proximity of whiteness, the more beautiful you are looked at as.
	You're missing that dynamic.
	And I understand.
	I'm not trying.
	I'm not one of those people that makes everything about race.
	I hate making.
	You just need about race.
	No, I hate it.
	I'm not making it.
	I hate even bringing up race.
	I'm not going to.
	Not going to acknowledge the fact that this is not a thing in America.
	And you were about to play right into the hands of that stereotype.
	So I'm just letting you know that you were.
	I can sit here and say that there's, hold on, this doesn't even, this is completely incoherent.
	There are beautiful black women.
	There are ugly black women.
	There are beautiful white women.
	You need a few.
	How would that matter?
	I agree.
	I agree, beautiful black women.
	Why?
	Okay, no, no, no.
	I agree with that.
	I'm just staying.
	Beautiful black woman.
	Look, I'm not like a black woman.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Fuck what I need to know.
	Oh my God.
	I'm just saying, don't.
	I'm just saying.
	Don't put a beautiful, young, skinny white woman again.
	Right.
	Against a dark-skinned, classically black-featured with a big, bigger nose and overweight black woman and tell us to compare beauty.
	Like, don't do that.
	Because that places.
	Okay, you're making it about race?
	Because that, no, I'm not making it about race.
	You literally, that is doing that your comparison is playing right into the stereotype in America of the fact that proximity to whiteness determines your beauty.
	If we had put Naomi Campbell up against Sidney Sweeney, right?
	If that was, if it was apples to apples.
	That's apples to apples.
	That's not about race.
	Then we're on the same wavelength.
	Right.
	Or if you're an Aboriginal woman who would have put, or if you would have put an older, overweight somebody you consider.
	If you were the one reading into it as race, again, yes, I could have.
	And that is gaslighting.
	Yeah, that is gaslighting.
	That's a good example.
	Because you're telling me that I am crazy for saying this when I'm not.
	The proximity to whiteness determines beauty in America.
	So we're talking about race?
	We're talking about everything, bro.
	I don't know why you're facepalming when you're gaslighting me.
	You're saying you're not talking about race, but you clearly are talking about everything.
	I did not say I'm not talking about race.
	I said it is not my goal to make everything about race.
	That is not my goal.
	Can ask your question.
	That's not my goal to make everything about.
	Can a black woman be more attractive than a white woman?
	Yes.
	Like, are there some black women who are more attractive than white women?
	There's no question.
	Oh, my God.
	You're so racist for saying that.
	Oh, my God.
	Or it could just be the case.
	It's not the same thing.
	It's not the same thing.
	Or it could just be the case that there are black women who are more attractive than white women.
	So there are white women.
	Is it Brian subjective?
	Is it subjective?
	And I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	I'm saying don't compare.
	Like if you're going to put.
	So you're making about race.
	Hold on.
	No, I am not making it about apples to apples.
	I'm saying that example, that example ignores the fact that proximity to whiteness in America is looked at as more beautiful.
	That ignores the fact.
	And you're looking at this through a racial lens.
	No, I'm looking at it through a factual lens.
	If you look at America.
	There's only a man that doesn't look at it.
	Can something be factual and racial too at the same time?
	Yes, which is the point.
	Okay, so you're making it about race.
	That's not gaslighting.
	No, I'm not making it about race.
	If there is a racial component, I'm not making it about race.
	I'm not making it about race.
	There is a racial component.
	So it's about race.
	What you're doing.
	So it's about race.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm getting gaslit right now.
	I'm not.
	Holy shit, bro.
	You are a king gaslighter, bro.
	I'm not making it about race.
	I am not making it about race.
	You literally are.
	You're not figuratively.
	You're literally making it about race.
	No, you're missing that there is a racial component.
	So it's about race?
	Oh, my God.
	I'm sorry, but like, and you're denying this is why we don't have these conversations in mixed company because people don't listen.
	Now you're making it about race.
	Brian, how many women have you taken?
	You went home to meet your parents.
	That was about race.
	What the fuck would that have to be?
	No, I'm just asking.
	How many women over the years have you taken home to meet your parents?
	A million.
	Okay, what's your point?
	How many were black?
	I don't even want to go there.
	That's making it about race.
	What?
	This is my point.
	Just to be clear.
	This is my point.
	It doesn't.
	Oh, so I'm a racist if I think.
	Wait, wait.
	I'm the last person to say that.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	So just to be clear, you don't think people are allowed to have racial preferences?
	100% they can.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	So wait, wait, wait.
	What you put up there was completely inequitable.
	You can't get away from that ridiculous comment.
	It was inequitable.
	What you put up there.
	The picture was problematic.
	And you're ignoring.
	Again, you're ignoring the beauty standard in America and the proximity to whiteness and how it goes together.
	No.
	How could you ever come to that conclusion on that sole basis?
	You're smuggling in a whole bunch of assumptions and presuppositions.
	Absolutely, you are.
	There's no foundation for anything that you're saying there.
	You can't make any assumptions.
	This was what you've done to us.
	I know all of you.
	Stop interrupting, please.
	So you're smuggling in a whole bunch of presuppositions and assumptions that are just not based in anything.
	Nope.
	No, no, I'm not.
	You showed.
	So the picture you showed.
	Okay.
	The picture you showed was problematic.
	The picture you showed was problematic.
	I just told you.
	It's not.
	It's not problematic.
	I just told you because it was not equitable.
	It's inequitable.
	You showed a picture of a beautiful, a beautiful, skinny, young white woman.
	And the ugly example was an overweight, dark completely flawed.
	Your premise is completely knowing that in America, and maybe you don't know this, but the closer you are to white, the more likely you are to be seen as beautiful in America.
	And how?
	And if you do not, and if you do not know that, then please research it.
	Because please do some research.
	Please not even want to go to why.
	No, no.
	That's great.
	Cool.
	No, I'm not making it about race.
	I'm letting you know that there's a racial component that you are ignorant of.
	So you made it about race.
	No, I did not make it about anything.
	That's a girl here.
	Look, I don't know if the sisterhood.
	Does any girl here want to counter her argument that she didn't make it about race when she clearly fucking did?
	We are.
	Or do you guys just want to be sit and sit in silence?
	No, you are ignorant.
	We can't be talking about shit.
	Nobody can interrupt.
	So whiteness, that you're ignoring.
	That's okay.
	I'm done.
	We're all fighting.
	How am I?
	Okay, well, I just told you.
	I just told you.
	Look it up, Brian.
	Look it up.
	Do your research.
	That's it.
	Yeah, so how would it be?
	Okay, do my research.
	Okay.
	Well, would it be, hold on, would it be strange if I went to Africa and there's like an African-based beauty standard?
	What's the difference?
	No.
	Like, are white people the majority?
	Are white people the majority in this country?
	Okay.
	What is that?
	Okay, so would it be like racist or something if I went to Africa and I didn't fit into the beauty standards of like African culture or whatever?
	Are the Africans racist?
	Are they racist against white people?
	We have, oh my God.
	When did we ever call you racist?
	There's very strong implications being made.
	No, that's your assumption.
	We call you racist.
	Nobody did at any point.
	Nobody called you racist.
	Something can be problematic without you being racist.
	Nobody called you racist.
	Not me, not her, not none of these people in here.
	Nobody called you racist.
	Do not put that word in any of our mouths.
	Okay, so if I'm not being racist, why the fuck do you care?
	Because you compared to the children.
	What the picture you chose.
	No, they're not happy with the picture you chose.
	There are levels on the way to racist.
	I am, you know, I have two black women here who just said I'm not racist, so I'm going to take that as a cosign.
	Thank you, guys.
	I appreciate it.
	Let's not.
	It's definitely a cosine.
	So anyways, going back.
	Going to you, though.
	You asked if I, you know, you asked if I ever brought a black woman home to meet my parents.
	Can I ask you a question?
	If a black woman has a preference to date a black man, is she a racist?
	My Lord Jesus.
	No.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, so if a white person has a preference.
	No, no, Brian, I simply asked you if you had that experience.
	Yeah, why would that matter?
	Because I was trying to bring it into the relevance of the conversation.
	Because if you had that experience, it would have been relevant to the conversation.
	Oh, actually, hold on.
	If you had dated a black girl, you might understand what she's saying is what she was getting at.
	Actually, I think that position is kind of a bit racist.
	This idea.
	No.
	Well, hold on.
	I'll explain it as follows.
	So this idea that, well, hold on, I can't be a racist.
	I have a black friend.
	No, that's.
	No, but that's kind of what you're alluding to.
	I would actually reject that.
	Just because you have a black friend doesn't mean that you could still be racist.
	Let me give you another silly example.
	Let's say you got a friend that has a friend that's handicapped.
	Let's just say that.
	Wait, so I'm only allowed to speak on racial issues if I've dated a black woman.
	No one's you let me go gaslighting.
	I'll say a parent with a special needs child and a parent without special needs child.
	There are certain things that a parent with special needs children will understand that a parent with non-special needs children will understand.
	So the only thing we were saying is if you had a chance to get a bond and a deep relationship with a black woman, you may understand better what it is that she's saying.
	That's all we're saying.
	We're not saying you can't speak on it.
	Right.
	This has nothing to do with being racist or your race or our race or anything like that.
	That's literally what we're saying.
	And I think what is also problematic is that I love that you have strong opinions and you want to debate, but it's the fact that you always have to be right.
	And I love that you were honest about that.
	However, that just shows that you care.
	You don't care about anybody else's perspectives.
	And our perspectives come from stuff we've been through.
	It comes from how we were raised.
	It comes from what we look like.
	Our perspectives come from that.
	But that doesn't make them wrong just because they're contrary to what you believe.
	You should be able to accept everybody's.
	If somebody can present to me a logically compelling argument or like something based in reason, then it proves me wrong.
	Then it's not impossible for me to change my mind.
	But just because it's not your experience doesn't mean it's not based in reason.
	Can you read no one?
	Can you hear me?
	Is it kind of racist to suggest that because of my skin color, I do not have the potential insight to make determinations as to a woman's physical appearance based because of her race?
	That's like saying because I'm not a man, I can't know what exactly what men go through.
	Of course, I won't know exactly what men go through.
	We're not a man.
	Those of us who are on the brown shade.
	Hold on, before you go, before you go, let me just say this.
	I think that a black woman who's never dated a white guy can make a determination as to if a white guy is good looking or not.
	We weren't even talking about it.
	We're just a gaslight.
	What is that?
	Have to do with any left feeling.
	Left field.
	No, this whole conversation stemmed from the photo I pulled up.
	Oh my god.
	It stemmed from the photo I pulled up, and I forgot if it was you or you.
	You said, Brian, you know, if you had dated a black girl, then you would be better suited to have this conversation.
	No, no, no, no, not that.
	That's not what.
	She said you would be better suited to understand where what I'm saying, where I'm coming from.
	Those of you on the brown shade spectrum have gone through things you couldn't possibly.
	But hold on, because you might have had a conversation with your black girlfriend that would allow you some insight to what I'm saying.
	Gay white men, it has to be a great idea.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, wait, so hold on.
	Wait, oh, so what about gay men?
	What about gay white men who date black men?
	What about that?
	Is that okay?
	They probably had a conversation with their boyfriend, too.
	Oh, okay.
	Just like that.
	There's conversations we can have right now about hair and weaves and extensions, all of which I wear.
	Oh, and you wouldn't.
	That's why I was asking because if you dated a girl on the color spectrum, you would know.
	You would know tonight.
	You're not hearing us.
	You're not hearing us.
	Hold on.
	I only date black women.
	What the hell?
	Please.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, then I'm going to need your black girlfriends to have some conversation up on gay.
	You haven't noticed just my insatiable.
	You haven't noticed my insatiable lust.
	Oh, my God.
	I only date black women.
	Now you're a troll thumbnail on YouTube.
	Now you're really wanting to roll.
	Brian, if you want to educate yourself, if you want to educate yourself on the point I was attempting to make.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	We're out.
	Look up.
	I'll read up.
	Do your research on what colorism is.
	Colorism.
	Just do your research.
	Race.
	No.
	Colorism is a specific thing.
	Colorism.
	Look it up.
	Research it.
	Research the origins of it.
	Research why it's a thing.
	Research what it is.
	And you'll probably discount it anyway.
	Amen.
	You won't discount it.
	You want to discount it.
	But at least look it up because after that.
	Should I read White Fragility 2?
	Do you think I should read that book?
	See, no?
	That's wild.
	You're doing that.
	That's a gaslight, Brian.
	How's that?
	You need to remove that from your lexicon of words because trust me, you're not using that in anywhere near approaching the way that is.
	Oh, Brian, do preach to me on psychology, please.
	You know what's crazy?
	You know what's crazy?
	All right, so, anyways, hold on.
	We have our good friend Gio here.
	She's going to read this one.
	Go ahead, Gio.
	They didn't call you racist, but I want to put all these women on a band.
	What?
	I can't see that.
	Because of the implication.
	And then sync that.
	This is always sunny reference.
	Thank you, Lil Paladin.
	Because of the implication.
	Because of the implication.
	She knows.
	Oh, my God.
	My laptop is.
	Awesome reference.
	Okay, we have.
	These are from a while ago.
	Can you read this one?
	When 27% of relationships end over money issues, is emotional compatibility enough?
	Or should financial stability be the baseline?
	Panel?
	You can.
	Nothing?
	Hello?
	I mean, I think money is important.
	I think that if you're not agreeing over money is important.
	I mean, I think the reason that people are divorcing over money is because they're not emotionally compatible in the first place.
	If you are emotionally compatible, you overcome those struggles.
	Absolutely.
	Agree.
	Absolutely.
	Andre, this gets treated as a TTS because I screwed up your other TTS.
	Previous TTS got messed up.
	Osti de Tabernac, Quebecois.
	Hold on, let me replay it.
	Oh.
	All religious words, also simping for chair one.
	You're engaged, not hitting on you.
	Just want to.
	Yeah, she's engaged, bro.
	What the fuck?
	Tabarnock.
	I don't know.
	Is that how you say it?
	Thank you.
	My son are you.
	I'm on Vita.
	I'm Vito.
	The Joker, Syntax at Brian, as an Autistic Person, too.
	I see the world in rainbows.
	Sorry for the simp.
	Joker, thank you for making it.
	Thank you, Joe.
	He got a little bonus because I delayed on his TTS.
	So I said, send in a $10 because I was late to read your TTS.
	You got 100 on me.
	You're good.
	Can you read this one?
	Plumpness back then meant 140 pounds.
	All the ladies at the table would be considered plump by medieval standards because we aren't literally starving to death for the lack of food.
	That is a good point.
	The difference back then in terms of plumpness was different.
	Yeah, at 6'6, I still wouldn't be considered plump back then, but amen.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Nick, what was some of the other shit we?
	I need to get up for a bit.
	I need to take like a three-minute breather.
	Felicity, you're coming in.
	Felicity, you're going to do these, okay?
	All right.
	Nick, give Brian a hug.
	He needs one.
	He needs love.
	We got to start heading back to Vegas.
	Okay.
	I know.
	We got to get back to the house.
	Okay, guys.
	Time for questions.
	Time for questions.
	Hey.
	What did your pre-show instructions say?
	I said 11, so it's like 10 minutes to 11 right now.
	Yeah, we're out.
	Oh, is it 11?
	I'll ask Brian.
	I have questions.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband, starting with you?
	Do you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Okay.
	I personally don't really have a preference, but like, I don't know.
	I'm fine with being either the sole breadwinner or I'm fine with being, you know, I'm fine with pretty much anything.
	Kind of just depends on the person for me, personally.
	Like McDonald's.
	I don't care.
	I don't know.
	She won't allow it.
	I don't care.
	Do you want kids?
	No, I do not.
	Okay.
	Where do you live?
	I live in Vegas.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, you wrote on here that you don't care, so, but your mom, not gonna.
	I care.
	What would you want for her?
	For her?
	Yeah.
	Luckily, she's very lucky because she's set up for life because.
	She's set up for life because of our investments and situation.
	My biggest hope for her is that she can be a strong, independent woman and not have to rely on a man and be able to pursue her passions, be happy, but be a hard worker.
	And the one thing that she has always been has been an incredibly hard worker, no matter what.
	You have to pick her up and put her into it.
	Don't expect her to get out of bed.
	She's no self-starter.
	No, she's no self-starter.
	But when you put her into it, she's incredibly hardworking.
	Okay.
	But do you have like a number in mind?
	For her?
	For her future husband.
	Like, what would you want him to make minimum?
	That's so hard because right now we're helping her fiancé to get.
	I'd much rather have him pursue his passion of cars.
	I raised him for the last five years.
	He is my son.
	I never had a son.
	So I'm helping him to pursue his passion of cars in a longer term payoff so that he will be happy with his passion versus the guy that runs the financial brokerage firm.
	He's also watching right now.
	Hi, Aiden.
	Yeah, he also told me I'm the number one roasted person right now on this panel.
	Okay, what about for yourself?
	Oh, you're married, right?
	I'm married.
	When I married my husband, he was a lab chemist.
	I was making more on Night Flirt.
	I was making more as a FinDom than he was as a lab chemist.
	Now he's a doctor, he's a PhD in organic chemistry.
	Now he earns upwards of a million dollars a year.
	And his company went public on the Hang Sang years ago and we netted millions upon millions.
	But we married and built an empire together because of my knowledge of commercial real estate and that sort of thing.
	So to my minimum right now, we'd be starting at a million a year because that's where we are at.
	Let me see what you wrote.
	Yeah, you said that you're married and whatever your husband makes.
	Yeah, he's he runs a global biotech, so it's not fair to the rest of the panel of what my husband does.
	Yeah, okay, what about you?
	I expressed before no preference.
	No preference.
	Do you want kids?
	No.
	I'm very iffy on that.
	I might adopt a kid.
	Okay.
	But would you mind if he made like $20,000 a year?
	I mean, if I'm capable of fully supporting him, I frankly, like, I'd love to, if that means that he's able to pursue what he's able to pursue instead of working a job that he hates for the money.
	But if I'm not capable of supporting him, he's got to make enough to take care of himself because otherwise we're just drowning.
	Okay, so like if it honestly depends on what I make.
	If I'm making enough to support us both, he can do whatever he'd like.
	He can not work.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I put 350K, but I feel like how much the guy makes doesn't necessarily matter.
	It's how generous they are.
	So they could, one guy could be richer than the other and be less generous.
	What if the guy was making like $50,000 a year and he was taking you shopping for like luxury purses or whatever?
	Wouldn't you think that's a little bit financially irresponsible?
	If he's supporting me too, that would be fine.
	You wouldn't think that there's like not just shopping.
	I wouldn't want just shopping.
	I mean, more like spending money on stupid stuff or being overly generous because you can be overly generous.
	I mean, I wouldn't mind it as long as he's providing for me.
	You would let him go broke providing for you.
	I mean, that's I'm not putting a gun to his head.
	No, I know.
	Like, that's it's his choice, you know?
	You're a much fair, much more fair moderator.
	No, I'm not, I'm not asking like to be mean or anything.
	I'm just, I'm just questioning.
	No, I'm just saying if he's willing to provide for me, like the things that are a necessity, then I'm fine.
	I don't care about shopping and all that bullshit.
	Like just as long as I'm living comfortably.
	Okay, where do you live again?
	Sorry.
	Where's what?
	Where do you live again?
	Pasadena.
	Okay, Southern California.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	For me, I would like at least starting like 100K.
	But like for me, I would also want to be making that much myself too.
	Like I want to own my own coffee shop.
	I don't want any man to have a name to that.
	But okay.
	And where do you live?
	Vegas.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think I wrote down like 75K or something just because I don't really care about money as long as we're compatible because I think that we would build something together.
	I just would want him to come to the table with enough money not to judge me for my lifestyle or to judge me for like when you start getting like lifestyle differences that can be difficult.
	I also would want him to be confident enough and it's hard to find a man who doesn't make a certain amount of money who is confident in who he was.
	Even if he, even if he was making less than that, but he's confident in who he is, then that's worth everything.
	Okay.
	Okay, what about you?
	Into the mic, please.
	Into the mic.
	Yep.
	75K is what I wrote.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't want him to have nothing, but if he has nothing and he's still ambitious and willing to build something, then I'm okay with that as well.
	So I don't know if that answers your question.
	Do you have like a range in mind?
	No, not really.
	All right.
	Uh...
	We're going to, we have a really fun segment that we're going to get into after that rather heated exchange.
	We have a fun segment.
	There is.
	I don't care.
	Did you?
	Sorry, you said $1 million per year?
	That's how much your husband makes or whatever?
	It's an audio podcast, too.
	Maybe you could just say yes or no?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Not relevant to you?
	Okay.
	Doesn't matter.
	$350,000.
	Can you just move your mic back to where it was and leave it there for the rest of the night?
	$350,000?
	I said, like, starting $100,000.
	Okay.
	$75K, $25,000.
	Okay.
	You want a guy who makes $350,000 a year?
	Yeah.
	Can you speak?
	Oh my God, bro.
	You can't be.
	You can't be here.
	I just answered your question.
	Yeah, I'm about to engage with you.
	You're sitting there bored.
	This is the moment that I'm going to actually engage with you here.
	But you can't be speaking here past the mic.
	You got to be speaking into the mic.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Like Nick politely instructed you, and then I instructed you.
	But when somebody keeps repeating the same mistake, it can be frustrating.
	It's really not that difficult.
	Oh, you really tried to say that nicely at the end.
	You tried.
	That was awesome.
	No, I was still being a dick.
	So, anyways, it's okay.
	You guys don't need to be nice to me.
	I'll still be a dick.
	But okay.
	That was a compliment.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	So you want a guy who makes $350,000 a year.
	Have you ever, like, were you, were you married or no?
	I've never been married.
	Okay, but you do have a kid.
	Have you ever dated a guy who makes like seriously long-term monogamous relationships?
	Dated a guy who makes $350,000.
	Okay.
	And you're 31.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're 31.
	You're a single mom.
	You were an escort, a prostitute, a sex worker.
	I would be prepared to say, even like, I'll call probably most women delusional if they want a guy who makes $350,000 a year.
	Do you think that, I mean, single mom.
	I also said that to her that income might not matter because if, let's say a guy makes $1 million a year, but he's not that generous.
	Let's say there's a guy who makes $50,000 a year, but they're really generous.
	Like sometimes it doesn't matter how much they make.
	It's the generosity.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like how they provide.
	So you would date a really generous as long as he can provide for me and as long as I'm comfortable.
	But in your notes here, and then when you were asked the question, you said the minimum yearly income to be your future husband was $350,000.
	Yes, and same thing goes as what I just said.
	But how do you reconcile?
	How would you you said you would date a guy who makes $50,000 whoever is more generous and can provide for me as long as I'm comfortable as long as I'm comfortable so what if the guy makes $10,000 a year but he's super generous I don't think that's even possible.
	Okay so, 10,000 generous guy across the board yeah, generous like I. Want to live a comfortable life.
	You have many men that are your clients.
	We talked about this.
	Yeah, make a lot of money, who are obsessed with you.
	You just haven't taken that.
	We've talked about this.
	Yeah uh, I think a client is different than who you're dating or who you're marrying.
	I think a client is, oh no, but they're offering marriage okay uh, all right, I mean it's, it's relevant to the conversation.
	Can you just scoot your mic back that way and tilt it down?
	And this, yeah, just tilt your mic down and straighten up, all right so uh, here we're gonna finish up some of the pre-show notes, I guess, or no, we have to do okay really quick.
	I need quick answers from everybody.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time?
	Uh maybe, I don't know sure yeah, I have plastic surgery all the time.
	Yes, I have plastic surgery all the time.
	I have an unlimited budget.
	Yes, 20 years time, probably not.
	20 years time for you?
	Better looking?
	Probably not.
	And you're 52.
	Were you better looking 10 years ago?
	No okay, better.
	Better looking 20 years ago, 32.
	This is the best I've ever looked in my life.
	Okay, so you're?
	What about?
	30 years ago?
	22 versus 52, better looking now?
	100.
	My nose was like that, yeah, everything was out of proportion and and everybody knows it's all over my TikTok I look way better now at 53.
	You're 20.
	Better looking in 10 years time?
	Yes 20 yes time, 30 years time.
	Yes 40 50 yes, all the way up yes better, better looking.
	I don't think that does compare to how you look.
	In that way, I don't think that I'll be more attractive to most people, but I do think that there's beauty with age and I think I'll be a different kind of beautiful.
	I do truly believe that.
	Yeah I, uh.
	What about you?
	Better looking in 10 years time?
	Yes, 20 years time.
	Um, possibly 30, 30 years time, possibly 40 years time.
	Let's do 70 years time 101, better looking than you are now?
	No okay, and you're 31.
	Were you better looking 10 years ago at 21?
	Yes, definitely better looking at 21?
	Oh wait no, I like my 21 better than my 31.
	Okay so yes, better looking at 21.
	Yeah okay, you're 20.
	Better looking in 10 years time, I believe so.
	20 years time, I believe so.
	30, so 50 okay, you're 44.
	Better looking in 10 years time 54?
	I like a different kind of beautiful, but no, not by okay.
	And then were you better looking 10 years ago?
	No.
	Better looking 20 years ago at 24 versus 44?
	No, better looking now at 44?
	Yes okay, you're 45.
	Better looking in 10 years time um, I better looking no, okay.
	And then you're 45.
	Better looking 10 years ago 35 probably yes okay, you're 28.
	Better looking in 10 years time 38 yes 48 yes 58 yes 68 yes 78 yes wait, just try to hold on.
	Scoot the mic a little closer.
	108 better looking at 108 Probably not.
	Probably.
	When's your peak?
	I don't know because I'm not in the future.
	Okay.
	Well, we have put all of you through.
	We've put all of you through AI.
	Brian, you.
	10 years from now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now.
	Worst looking in 10 years.
	I was better looking.
	I was better looking when I was younger, too.
	Did we do?
	Sorry, you've done what?
	Push through an age filter.
	He's going to show our age filter.
	Oh, love.
	All right.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Oh, great.
	I've seen his too.
	I've seen this.
	Yeah, it's bad.
	Oh, I'm excited.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	That is not accurate.
	That is not accurate.
	That is not fucking age.
	Yeah, you are.
	Hold on.
	Like, why did your nose grow?
	That doesn't make any sense.
	The simps are about a double in the chat.
	No, wait, this is pretty good.
	You guys are pretty satisfied.
	I'm pretty satisfied with this.
	Okay.
	How old is it supposed to be?
	Picture by picture?
	Not sure.
	Next.
	It's brutal.
	It's so rude.
	It's so fun.
	It's so rude, Brian.
	Can you scoot into the table, please?
	So rude.
	Next.
	Oh, I'm adorable.
	You are.
	That's cute.
	I am beautiful.
	100%.
	Yes.
	Go.
	Y'all wild.
	All right.
	Oh, my God.
	This is like the most beautiful senior club ever.
	This is so cute.
	Absolutely stunning.
	I like this segment.
	No, that's stunning.
	Put it away.
	Stop.
	Oh, my gosh.
	This is next.
	Oh, my God.
	Olivia!
	Olivia!
	I don't get the point of this one.
	This is just sweet.
	It is.
	Wow.
	Got me fucking.
	Olive, you look gorgeous.
	Next.
	It's a sisterhood of the traveling grandma pants.
	Oh, my God.
	Yes!
	Such a cute little smile.
	Y'all, lion.
	Y'all lying for real.
	Your smile, your teeth, is the most outstanding I've ever seen.
	Oh, no.
	And then that sculpted nose.
	I want it.
	Next.
	You're cute, too.
	You're hardly even their friend.
	No, she was like crazy.
	Lucky you.
	Oh, God.
	I don't like that.
	Brian, did you do yours?
	Yep.
	Next.
	You look happier and happier in each one.
	Right?
	We're going to be adorable old women around bingo tables.
	This is awesome.
	We like.
	I feel like the oracle from the Matrix.
	Thank you.
	I take it.
	I haven't seen it.
	I don't think you never go wrong with an oracle.
	All right.
	Next.
	Brian's next.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	So cute.
	Next, Brian.
	She is next.
	Do we have it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Why not?
	All right.
	You got it?
	All right.
	Oh, wow.
	No, actually.
	This is so awesome.
	I like that it didn't gray your hair.
	He said, no.
	Girl is safe from graying.
	Next.
	Oh, shit.
	You're going to be a cute old man.
	Come on.
	That's an awful bowl.
	I want to hear the monologue from Jaws with a bottle of whiskey.
	Did we put Nick through there?
	I'm Santa Claus.
	Santa Claus.
	I'm Santa Claus.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, we also changed all of you to men.
	Oh, my God.
	This is my favorite.
	I like that the light's being drained from his eyes.
	Is this not fun for you anymore?
	No, usually this is kind of fun, but because we're not arguing.
	No, no, I'm not sure.
	I actually, I need a breather from the fucking arguing from before.
	Little break of wholesome family podcast time.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, we have it.
	We got it?
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, holy shit.
	Holy fuck.
	Put me in eight mile right now.
	Oh, my.
	You look like an eight boxer.
	Yeah.
	Like Zane Mallow.
	I do look like a boxer.
	So the question is: would you date the male version of you?
	I'm sorry, Aiden, but yes.
	I don't want to date the male version of you.
	If you were single, yeah, if you were single.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, what?
	That's mean things to you.
	Listen, I was supposed to be born a man.
	There is no question.
	Zero question.
	Would I date him?
	No, would I fuck him?
	Yes.
	We'll just skip.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh, wait.
	You look good.
	He looks a little too much like my cousins.
	You and me are going out to pick up chairs.
	Daddy is like, can you imagine?
	He looks too much like my cousins.
	I can't do it.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	So no?
	No.
	No, go.
	He's cute, though.
	He's a cutie pie.
	You can date him?
	He would remind me of my cousins.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Next.
	What the fuck?
	They keep taking it away.
	Can I see it again?
	Oh, no.
	It's giving CEO.
	It did weird things to you.
	Why are you having C-level executive?
	I don't know.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Ooh.
	Olivia.
	I don't know.
	I can't go on.
	Me personally.
	Oh, his number.
	I would not.
	I'm getting that number.
	Yeah, right?
	You wouldn't date him?
	Oh, no.
	Not my type.
	Did you?
	He's you.
	Put on an accent there.
	What?
	You put on like an accent or something.
	You're like Canadian.
	Oh, no.
	He's on my phone.
	She's up next in the whole time.
	What?
	Hold on.
	Olivia, you're so hot.
	Yeah.
	I'll pass.
	Second daughter.
	Oh, gosh.
	It makes everyone's eyes so small.
	Oh, you're not cute.
	No.
	Absolutely not.
	You wouldn't date the male version of you?
	Nah.
	He's so cute.
	Wait, I don't get it.
	His teeth aren't as good.
	You wouldn't date because of his looks like a normal guy, but I get flat because I wouldn't date like a 99% burns on the body.
	No, no, no, no.
	That was a fellow scenario.
	She was your wife.
	She was a soulmate.
	She was your wife.
	She was your wife.
	And she bared your children.
	An affair to remember, Carrie Grant and Deborah Kerr.
	You need to watch that.
	That was the thing.
	I don't know.
	I think it's possible that material conditions could change to such a point that you would just no longer.
	I don't know.
	Attraction is important, but I don't know.
	You'd have to give me a specific.
	Watching Affair to Remember.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Would you go back?
	That was quick.
	All right.
	Just skip this one.
	She's not on the mic.
	No.
	Thank you.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	He's cute.
	Is it because he's black?
	It's a little racy.
	Oh, my God.
	You wouldn't date a black guy?
	Wow.
	That is crazy.
	Oh, he got his energy back.
	All right, that's a tough.
	I know that there's a really good guy somewhere in there.
	What the fuck?
	I really do.
	Blackie gave me a nice slow for six and a half.
	I really like you, man.
	I got you now.
	I just so I just feel like being this way has made you coin, so you have to be.
	But like, I really believe you are a good person.
	Some aware.
	Deep dying Instagram.
	It's all there.
	I gotta be careful because like I don't want the smoke from a black woman.
	Woman.
	Women?
	Woman?
	Sorry.
	I don't want the, because like black women, they'll roast the shit out of you.
	So I gotta be careful.
	I gotta be careful with what I'm saying.
	We're crazy.
	No, like a black woman.
	Oh my god.
	You got it.
	Woman, woman.
	Holy shit.
	I am cooked.
	A black.
	See, I talk shit about myself too.
	A black woman will verbally dismantle you in a way that on your deathbed.
	You'll cry later.
	You'll be like, damn, she fucked me up.
	She got me.
	Literally.
	Like, I don't know.
	Black women.
	I agree.
	As a high school teacher, I had to learn to, like, in the most respectful way, humble my kids.
	And they'll think about it later.
	It's like, oh, my.
	But I supported them.
	They're going to know I love them.
	But you go get it.
	Anyways.
	Anyways.
	Oh, we have more, right?
	We have me as a woman.
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, okay.
	Boom.
	Yo, it's actually kind of good.
	Okay.
	He's hot.
	Not bad.
	Would you smash?
	Slash date, slash.
	So you would be a gay man if you were a man.
	This kind of looks like my injector.
	He's definitely gay.
	Oh, he looks so innocent.
	He has innocent eyes.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Next.
	There we go.
	Yes, thank you.
	Wish you.
	She's way.
	She's gorgeous.
	You're way prettier as a woman.
	Would you date her?
	Yeah.
	Smash Evan.
	I would.
	Is what her name is.
	What would you rate her?
	Is she a virgin?
	Or is she ban with a hundred men?
	What's her 10?
	What is her body count?
	Is she a perfect 10?
	Is she a Christian?
	As a guy, I'm a five, but as a woman, I'm a ten.
	See?
	As long as you believe that, that's all that matters.
	Look, if I became a woman, fuck it, I'll just be illusional too.
	No?
	What?
	I didn't say anything.
	Okay, back to Vegas.
	No, we're all together and not a good night.
	Let's all love each other.
	Snow Bay Alley, follow me on Instagram.
	It's not.
	No, we're still going.
	Oh, we're going to get back to you.
	So we need to.
	I still got to go.
	I still have a long drive ahead.
	I'm not going to be able to do it.
	Yeah, I do too.
	I have a mammography in the morning.
	And I was committed to 11.
	I was committed.
	All right, just leave.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	Just go ahead.
	Just go ahead.
	I'm glad that was easy.
	Okay.
	Bye.
	Have a good night.
	I don't know what you said.
	What?
	You looked hot as a man.
	Oh, thank you.
	You're welcome, honey.
	Okay, let me see if she.
	Did she have any notes, though?
	Did you have any notes?
	Love it.
	Love it.
	Okay, let me blast through everything so I can try to get people out of here as soon as possible.
	Oh, there's probably, are there any chats that came through?
	No, I think we're good on chats.
	What are we going to do?
	Okay, here's what we're going to do.
	We have a few other things to get through.
	Yeah, we don't need to announce that.
	Thank you.
	Just Nick, just you're okay.
	Okay, Kiana, you said we're not going to be able to hit everybody's notes, but I'll try to do one or two for each of you.
	Let's see here.
	You know, we had to go back and forth.
	I got to be conservative time here.
	But Dalton?
	Dalton?
	Oh, she's leaving.
	Okay, Lola?
	Hello.
	Okay, you once dated a man with foot fetish, but did we already talk about this?
	Yeah, I got on that.
	And he made you watch the two-hour documentary.
	It really haunts me.
	Sorry, I bring it up all the time.
	Did he make you give him foot massages?
	Oh, he tried real hard.
	Let's just get rid of Sienna.
	No, Sienna.
	That was the no-show.
	Olivia?
	Yeah.
	We already did yours, Giovanni.
	Plenty of stories.
	You've been in the Hollywood industry for years.
	Many things to tell.
	It makes you uncomfortable watching some of the episodes because you feel the host is coming in with some sort of prejudice towards women.
	What's that?
	Well, I did tell you earlier, I just feel the, I feel like there's like a specific angle like you're taking these from.
	Like there's a specific way you come about things.
	And I know that that's your audience and I'm not judging.
	But yeah, for sure, there's absolutely a specific way you come out about things against women.
	Absolutely.
	what um generally the like your opinions you know how yeah which ones Let me give me a second.
	I'm really tired.
	Hold on.
	Well, most of the things from today.
	Yeah, which ones?
	Like, just one thing.
	Like the, probably everything to do, like every opinion you had pretty much about marriage, like dating so far.
	Marriage.
	I didn't really talk much about dating, but I feel like everything's like come at a very specific angle to the point where like, I don't know, like, it's, it's just, it's, like, it cherry picks.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, oh, think about it.
	What did I cherry pick?
	Like, the photo from earlier, like, the photo of the really pretty white woman versus the black woman.
	Like, I felt like that was very, like, I don't know.
	It just, it felt rooted in misogyny, like, misogyny.
	Like, all of it just kind of feels very misogynistically rooted.
	Okay.
	Like, that's how it feels.
	Sure.
	So just, I think it's important when we're using certain words that we share like an understanding of what that word means.
	So what is misogyny?
	How do you define misogyny?
	Oppressing women and uplifting men.
	Oppressing women, uplifting men is misogyny.
	In my opinion, yes.
	Okay, so that photo, what about that photo would be, I disagree with your definition, but that's kind of secondary.
	What would be oppressive about that photo?
	Would you have done it to a man?
	sure i've shown pictures of brad pitt compared him to i i showed we have we have men in that or pictures of men in that same discord channel Tom Welling, we'll compare them to Jonah Hill or whatever it is.
	I can think we've done it to Luis Guzman.
	So, yeah.
	So am I also a misandrist?
	I mean, I could be wrong, but that's just personally how I feel.
	It's just kind of my angle, the way I look at things.
	I think we need to define another term then, oppression.
	What is oppression?
	Oppression?
	Like.
	Yeah, how do you define oppression?
	Putting someone down, like putting people, viewing things as below you and, you know, not allowing putting somebody down?
	Yeah, putting somebody down.
	Putting somebody down.
	As below you.
	If I called somebody stupid, is that putting them down?
	So yes.
	Would that be oppression?
	Just calling somebody stupid?
	Well, no, okay.
	A better way to look at things is like stopping them from expressing their opinion or like Gigi.
	I don't think you're, I don't think you want to be here to be debating this.
	Yeah, not really.
	I mean, I wrote it in the note, but I don't know if you're not.
	Yeah, we're just being polite, engaging in this.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, and I agree with you, but I'm saying, like, just, it's not even like, it doesn't even have to go past, like, just the fact the way that you, like, like, the angles that they're filmed at, like, the, like, the conversations, like the debates themselves.
	Wait, sorry, the angles?
	What was that first?
	Or the angles, like, of the conversations that you are constantly bringing up, the topics, like, all of it feels very, like, to me, like, that's just how it feels.
	It's just to me personally.
	It feels like oppression and misogyny.
	Not necessarily oppression, but it's more like it just feels like.
	Can I get a definition on oppression, though?
	Hmm.
	Give me a second.
	I'm really tired.
	As her mother, may I take a pass for her?
	May I take her pass?
	Your daughter's a superstar boxer.
	She can, this is like milquetoast pushback.
	It's not for her.
	How is it not?
	Well, I think when you sent out the questionnaire about we felt that we had to say something, so she is trying to back up that stance.
	Yeah, that's what she believes, though.
	So I also would like to say, I do understand where you're coming from with this.
	Like it is an open dialogue and you are being like understanding and trying to get there.
	But I do think that it's like very understandable for it to be difficult to be put on the spot, especially when like you're in a circumstance where like obviously a big point of this podcast is we're all picking apart each other's wordings.
	We're all calling each other out on stuff and there is a lot of pressure on that circumstance.
	I think if she wants to pass, just pass.
	Well, I mean, if you want to pass like, you know, do you like pineapple on your pizza?
	Okay, well, whatever.
	But when you've accused, if you've accused somebody of misogyny, essentially sexism, of being oppressive, I think it's fair to at least get, receive an explanation for these assertions.
	Sure, yeah, absolutely.
	But I also do think that she has come to a middle ground specifically on what she brought up about the pictures.
	When you said that we do have pictures of men in there, she said, like, I didn't know that.
	I understand that.
	As far as I'm aware of, that was your take.
	I don't want to speak on your behalf.
	You are absolutely correct.
	Yeah, so I do think that it could have just been rooted in a misunderstanding.
	Well, I mean, this was provided even before we got to that segment.
	If you've seen the show before, you would know that we will challenge, you know, I'm open to hearing criticisms of myself, of my show, but they won't go without challenge.
	Yeah.
	So especially if these criticisms relate to accusations of sexism or misogyny or whatever.
	So do you want to, I guess, back up your claim with anything palpable?
	Just challenging women in a lot of like, it might be clickbait.
	It might be clickbait because I didn't, like, I went through just like a lot of people here, I'm sure.
	I went through your Instagram and I went through viral clips on TikTok.
	And a lot of like the questions that it seems like you ask women are challenging, but like they're specifically targeted to like a like they're targeted to a specific demographic of audience.
	Like you ask them, like, you ask women what we think about like money and like the beauty standards and like, you know, how we feel about, you know, men being breadwinners and if we're traditional.
	Like that feels very like this.
	How would it be baiting to ask a woman?
	Wouldn't it actually be sort of an evidence to the contrary that my willingness to actually basically give an open mic to a woman and say, tell me what you think about all these things, wouldn't that actually indicate that something to the contrary?
	But that's not a privilege.
	That's just equality.
	Like, we're having a conversation.
	So, if I ask men, like if somebody's asking men these questions, it would be evidence of like anti-male sexism.
	Okay.
	So, as her mom, allow me to step in.
	Hold on.
	Your daughter, she's 20 years old.
	She's an adult.
	I get the want and desire to generally protect your.
	It's not that.
	It's that I forced her to answer that questionnaire, and she wasn't exactly on the same wavelength.
	Well, I mean, she has agency.
	She has autism.
	She's her own thoughts.
	You're 100% correct.
	She probably believes.
	I mean, I don't think you force her to believe.
	She has very different beliefs than I am.
	Well, no, but I believe that she believes that I'm a misogynist.
	So I think it's fair to investigate that.
	I do think it's fair to say that her generation throws around that term a lot more loosely than hold on.
	I would like to just go ahead.
	I don't believe you are a deep-rooted misogynist, but I do think that, yeah, some of your takes are definitely misogynistic.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Which takes are misogynistic?
	So I did answer this, like, a lot of, like, the things, like, genuinely, can anyone back me up on the fact that, like, today a lot of the questions seemed like they were kind of...
	Wait, wait.
	Thought they were a white?
	A lot of the questions today felt like they were kind of aimed like to like aimed to a certain demographic to look at women who view women as a majority of people.
	Are you able to run it down?
	Okay.
	I won't say that, but what I will say is that even in clips I've watched before and even the way he's questioning you right now, I think the ultimate goal is to kind of make you stumble upon what you're saying, even though you know what you meant and you know how you feel.
	Yes.
	But it's to kind of make you stumble upon it because we've been sitting here for six hours.
	Who's going to remember every point you say?
	But we've listened to you collectively for six hours in making points that affirm what she's saying.
	So I think the goal is not really to get specific points or hear her out.
	I think it's just to make her stumble over her words and then you're going to clip it, make a reel later and be like, ha ha ha.
	She couldn't even, I slammed her, checked her out.
	Like we've seen the reels.
	Yeah, so I think it's perfectly acceptable if somebody has accused you of something.
	It's not like some sort of clickbait thing to ask them to provide evidence for their claim.
	Like for example, I agree with you.
	Like if I called you a racist and you were like, well, how am I a racist?
	And I'd be like, I just, I don't know, just the vibes.
	You'd be like, no, that's not acceptable.
	I think there's a big difference between calling you misogynist and actually, she answered the questions on, is there anything you disagree with?
	So I made her answer the questions.
	Was there anything you disagree with?
	Saying that there was misogyny and calling you misogynist.
	I think those are two different things.
	Yeah, but so I'm not at, like, to her point, I'm not looking for like, tell me verbatim, word for word, precisely.
	You can't get one word wrong.
	Give me the essence of what I've said that is misogynistic.
	It was in previous clips, no?
	Yes.
	Sure, you can cite, you're welcome to say, Brian, in this clip over here, you said this.
	And it doesn't have to be verbatim.
	It can be in essence.
	It's not going to be in verbatim because, to be fair, I mean, I've been sitting here for a while.
	I'm not asking for verbatim.
	I'm simply asking the essence of what I said.
	Essence of what so you're like, i.e., um, your opinions on your opinions on certain things, uh, like regarding I'm trying to think back to you know, I want to think back to today.
	I want to, I want to think about the topics we said today, but my mind is totally going blank.
	Um, let me think.
	Can you remind me of some of the topics we talked about today?
	I mean, it's your claim.
	It's not my job to make your argument for you.
	You think I should cut it off?
	Yes.
	Sisterhood here.
	This is what this is feminism.
	It's not feminism.
	But I'm going to support her because we can all clearly see what your ultimate goal is.
	So it's not that you, it's not, it's okay for you to want somebody to explain why they made a claim about you.
	You're pro-life, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so would you do this sort of same sort of, you know, giving like a little alley oop, an alley oop, or not alley oop, that's not the right word.
	Would you do this same sort of hand holding with somebody who's pro-choice?
	I'm not here to be the judge of their choices.
	That's my old.
	But she's a grown woman.
	Absolutely.
	I'm not like 20 years older than you.
	Trust me.
	If I wanted to put the pressure on, I have the kid gloves on.
	That's between 20 years old and barely an adult.
	I have the kid gloves on.
	I have the kid gloves on right now.
	I'm exerting minimal rhetorical pressure on her.
	Yes.
	I'm not, trust me, if I wanted to step up the temperature, I could.
	I'm simply just asking, if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove the claim, provide evidence for the claim.
	I'm asking.
	I'm just asking you to go over the topics we talked about.
	the definition of misogyny why can't you just go because i don't remember the entire i sure don't How long has it been?
	Six hours of what's happening.
	What's the definition of misogyny?
	Somebody told me.
	Well, her definition is.
	No, no, not her definition.
	The definition.
	I don't think hatred or pre my definition would be like hatred or prejudice towards women because they're women.
	Okay, great.
	So when you went off on that girl for like 30 minutes because that wouldn't be evidence of misogyny.
	Because she can't.
	Because she canceled.
	That's the key word.
	Not because she's a woman.
	If it was some dude who did the exact same thing, yes, it would be.
	What's that?
	You probably be harsh.
	Are you, I'm sorry.
	Are you, were you going to let me finish or no?
	Well, hold on.
	Well, I'm going to, because I know where your argument is leading to.
	Because the things that you said was specifically personal to her beyond just her character and canceling.
	But you went in on her personal character, which came across as extremely hateful.
	What, what specifically?
	I can't say, honestly, I can't say.
	Wait, wait, I don't care.
	Oh, okay.
	So can women be scumbags?
	No, answer my question before you answer my question first.
	Again, you said it means hateful.
	Your whole rant was hateful and personal towards her.
	But here's the defeater.
	Men can also be scumbags.
	Right.
	I agree.
	Holy shit.
	So I'm not sexist then.
	Great.
	Nobody said you were sexist.
	Okay, you were saying it was evidence of.
	No one said you were sexist.
	Okay, misogyny and sexism are like this.
	But okay.
	So you said it was evidence of misogyny.
	No, you hated her and you were very directly personal to her.
	Can you hate a woman and not be sexist?
	Like, are there any women you hate?
	No, I don't hate anybody.
	But are there any people who dislike?
	Yes.
	Okay, because you dislike a woman, does that mean you're a misogynist?
	No, and I didn't say that.
	And do not put words in my mouth.
	I'm just saying that that is an example where you came off as extremely hateful and personal.
	But that wouldn't be evidence of misogyny.
	I agree with you that I was using strong words, but just because you're.
	Which preceded a rant about horrible women like her.
	A woman.
	Okay, so if you horrible women like her.
	Okay, logically.
	Only fans and all these things.
	Okay, but then the divorce rant.
	And the Australian divorce rant.
	Extremely women.
	This is the panel that's going to bury you.
	You know what?
	At the end of the day, listen, I ain't trying to fight no more.
	It's late.
	I don't let the girl move on from here.
	We got to go to Vegas.
	We got to get another DeVegas.
	We got to get back home.
	I mean, I would just say this.
	So unless there's some clear-cut evidence, so just because the person, you got to stop interrupting.
	For the sake of ending this show, sooner when you interrupt, it's disruptive.
	Then I have to correct you for interrupting.
	Now I'm here 10, 15, 20 seconds later, having to tell you to stop interrupting for the 20th time.
	So just because, for example, just because somebody says something negative about a woman, that's not evidence that there's, it's because of misogyny or because she's a woman.
	We all acknowledge that there's bad men and bad women, and we can criticize these bad characteristics and traits, and it's, it can be absent some sort of sexism.
	Like, for example, are women immune to criticism?
	Like, women, if you, if you ever levy any sort of criticism towards a woman, is that just default?
	You're a sexist?
	No.
	So, okay, so I was levying criticisms towards a woman for her specific behavior.
	And this behavior I find objectionable, not just in women, but also in men.
	You cannot point to my objection to her behavior as evidence of sexism or misogyny because I object to this behavior also in men.
	And it had to do with her behavior, not the fact that she's a woman.
	If I said, for example, she's a piece of shit because she's a woman, that would clearly be misogynistic and wrong.
	But that's clearly not what I did.
	I said her behavior was bad because this reason.
	I'm going to stand on my opinion about, you know, some of your misogynistic takes.
	I'm just going to stand on that, but I do not want to debate anymore.
	I am.
	Well, can you give me one at least?
	Just one thing that I've said that's misogynistic.
	I'm going to be so honest with you.
	I'm clocking out.
	I'm sorry.
	I would also like to, I'm going to add in here.
	Again, I mean, I did say this earlier, but I want to reiterate, I get where you're coming from.
	Like, it's very understandable to want someone to back a claim that they're making about you.
	I get that.
	But I also do think that at the same time, we have to understand that misogyny is a very complex thing.
	Like, I'm not making claims about whether or not you are misogynistic.
	But also, I do not think that you had to have explicitly said something horrible about women to be a misogynist, right?
	And I think that it is very understandable for someone who's very tired, someone who, you know, has spent the whole day debating, all these things.
	Also, is very young and has had her words picked apart throughout this whole podcast.
	Like, if she can't articulate explicitly what it was that rubbed her the wrong way, I understand how that is frustrating to you.
	Trust me, I get that, right?
	But I also think that at a certain point, maybe we just drop it.
	We agree to disagree.
	You don't have to take that claim seriously because she didn't back it.
	You don't have to take that as like a dig at you.
	No one else has to either.
	She can think what she would like to think, it doesn't have to affect you.
	I mean, she's expressed that she no longer wants to, she doesn't want to engage with it.
	But I mean, to be fair, I've already iterated this, so I guess I'll have a reiteration.
	It is a bit like, okay, then I look, I'll just defer to Hitchens' razor.
	Then, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
	So, if you're unwilling to provide the evidence, then you're not making a compelling case to any of the other panelists or to the audience that I'm a misogynist, and I'm just going to outright reject and dismiss your assertions because you didn't back it up with any sort of evidence.
	Moving on, moving on, moving on with the rest of the notes, though.
	Okay, snow, we did your stuff.
	Violatrix, the FinDom stuff.
	There was definitely some stuff in here.
	You've written that I've not been playing fair with these young women who are no match for your mouth, wit, and experience.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate the compliment.
	Thank you for the endorsement.
	You said you will go head-to-head with you on a more level playing field.
	And if you feel that I'm outdated, my 20-year-old daughter will level that out as well.
	Okay, she didn't.
	So I have clearly interrupted far too many times after we were encouraged to jump in.
	So I'm out as well.
	We were encouraged to.
	Well, you can contribute.
	I just don't want people interrupting.
	That's my interrupting versus jumping in when we were told to.
	Okay, that's fine, but now I'm speaking directly to you.
	And it's all every one of my opinions has been expressed.
	I just thought that based on some of the clips, we were asked a questionnaire: Do I feel this about you?
	I don't really know because I wasn't really familiar with your stuff.
	The general cursory look over your stuff seemed that you had some pretty unlevel, unequal, any inequality, inequity playing field with some of the women that you went head-to-head with.
	I thought that I might be a good match for you.
	We're trying to sell ourselves in this thing, right?
	We're trying to get on the podcast to talk to you, to debate with you.
	So that's what I said.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, I actually think that I don't think there's actually anybody here on the panel who's actually like on my side or on my team.
	So this idea that I'm like unfit, that there's some like unfairness, I'm like 1v8ing right now.
	So like the collective brain power of all the women at the table, this idea that I'm like looking for an easy dunk, I'm like every single show I do, it's like a 1v8.
	You are sitting there, you have tens of thousands, millions of men watching you, supporting you, and you have a live stream.
	We're all sitting here asking, what's the definition of misogyny?
	You've got an assistant and Google right there giving you definitions while we have no phones, money, nothing.
	I know the dumb off the top of the inequity.
	Is that a level playing field?
	I don't think so, Brian.
	And Brian, I'm just talking facts.
	Well, there's certain technical components of running a stream.
	It's gaslighting, Brian.
	Technically, that's gaslighting.
	How would that be gaslighting?
	Because we don't have the tools at our disposal to Google shit to combat you with facts.
	What do you want to Google?
	Any single thing that you have gaslit us on or anything you computer is thrown the show?
	Yeah, that has nothing to do with.
	Well, I control the stream from here.
	And I didn't, aside from the only thing I Googled tonight, only thing I Googled.
	Brian, you Googled a bunch.
	No, the only thing I Googled tonight was the NBA conversation about, yeah, I Googled the shortest.
	What is the shortest NBA player?
	That's the only thing I Googled.
	We also Googled the DEI.
	It's just irrelevant.
	Nick was looking it up, but I wasn't looking at it at all.
	Yeah, we couldn't pull it up.
	Some of the college statistics, because I'm going to be saying this is college, not.
	Okay, we pulled up the boy versus the boy versus women thing.
	But it's like, it's relevant to the conversation.
	I mean, that's a singular resource.
	Okay.
	So there was the shortest NBA player, and then that boy versus women thing.
	I thoroughly enjoyed being here.
	According to my daughter's boyfriend, I'm the singularly most roasted person on this panel tonight.
	I've enjoyed it.
	I respect your opinions.
	I respect that you've grown a huge audience and you need to be congratulated for that.
	And it's been an enjoyable experience.
	I've loved meeting everyone here.
	Well, just stick around for the end of the show.
	But let's see here.
	So, okay, you don't want to engage on that thing.
	I did.
	I engaged.
	I answered.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, all right, sure.
	That's fine.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to do a couple things from the questionnaire.
	Then, obviously, time permitting.
	Why don't we do the bear thing?
	I guess.
	Yeah, we'll do the bear thing.
	Does your daughter want to rejoin the panel for this?
	Jovon.
	Nick?
	Did you see it?
	All right.
	Starting over here with you, would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on the hike?
	Going this way?
	A random man.
	Man.
	A man, definitely.
	A man.
	Why is this a question?
	It's going somewhere, I guess.
	We think.
	Can you try to speak into the microphone, please?
	I don't like to hike, so.
	If you had to pick one, would you rather come across a random man or a random bear on the hike?
	I guess a man.
	Okay, what do you pick?
	A man.
	Wait, hold on.
	These are different from your guys's stated.
	Oh, no, you did pick man, my mistake.
	You can see that coming from bear.
	Okay, why do you pick bear?
	You're going to need to work on your endurance if you're going to become a superstar boxer.
	This is nothing.
	This is nothing.
	You're going to go through way tougher fights in the ring, let me tell you.
	I understand.
	I'm just very tired.
	I know, but you're going to be very tired.
	That same thing when you're fucking trying to lose weight before that fight and you're running, you're doing steps, whatever it is.
	You got to have that mental fortitude.
	You got to stick it through.
	Right now, it's like really inconsiderate to everyone when you're asked a question.
	I'm not saying this to be rude and you're like, I don't know, I'm tired.
	Because then we have to talk about it.
	And it's like, why can't you just answer?
	And he goes on and you go on and there's just no, there's no answer and it's just wasting more time.
	Like just answering.
	Yeah, Felicity needs to get her in and out.
	And this happens every single time and every single time girls are complaining because they're not answering in good faith.
	Well, I would say the bear.
	Well, if we're getting realistic, I've had that experience before while camping with my dad.
	So I know what to do.
	And second of all, bears are predictable.
	And, you know, men aren't.
	And that's just how I feel.
	That's it.
	And it's nothing past that.
	It's nothing to do with anything, you know, regarding misandry or anything like that.
	It's just, it's as simple as that.
	Like, it's, that's it.
	That's literally it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you could have said that.
	Why do you pick Bear?
	Oh, just because we had a summer cabin growing up in New Jersey, and we've encountered every situation.
	So I feel like I'd be more adept, equipped to handle a bear than I would a human being.
	Okay, I see.
	Huh.
	Interesting.
	Well, my position is, if you pick bear over man, I think that, you know, you accuse me of misogyny.
	I think you probably echo your daughter's sentiments.
	I do think this is a misandrist position.
	So I would like to return to you as if like a volley.
	You call me a misogynist.
	I call you a misandrist.
	Fair?
	Fair.
	Fair proposition.
	Fair enough.
	I do think in the same way that, for example, like I would say it would be racist if somebody picked bear over black person.
	Like that would be racist.
	Where did that?
	Oh, I just put it.
	I think it makes it easier to understand my by using this sort of comparison.
	It can make it easy to understand why picking bear over man could be sexist towards men.
	Do you want to jump in here?
	Sure.
	Well, I just want to add, I do think the difference between those two circumstances, the reason that people are scared to run into a man is because there is a much higher chance that he will hurt you in some way, shape, or form than a woman, right?
	You realize criminality in men is, while it is true that men are overrepresented in violent crime, I still want to focus in and say very small proportion of men would victimize a woman in this way.
	Sure.
	I mean, I can understand that.
	I do think that the majority of men that I know are very good men, but I also do think that the majority of women have been, have faced some kind of like bad experience.
	Yeah, some violent act against them sexually or otherwise.
	But I guess this is my issue with it.
	And if we open the door to saying, because of my own experiences, or even because of bona fide crime statistics, I won't dispute that, yes, men are overrepresented in violent crime statistics.
	No dispute there.
	But when it becomes to the, when it comes to the point where we're essentially generalizing men and we're making discriminatory decisions, it does enter this realm of sexism.
	For example, would you accept somebody saying, well, because of my, I'm not speaking, I'm just presenting hypothetical.
	I'm not speaking about my own experiences.
	But if somebody said, say a white person said, I myself have had one, two, three bad experiences with black people.
	And I know other people who have had bad experiences with black people.
	And then certain crime statistics that I could cite to that are bona fide crime statistics that indicated or showed that per capita, black people engaged in X crime more frequently than white people.
	And then I used this as justification and pretext for a broad generalized racism towards black people.
	I would find that objectionable.
	I would say, perhaps these things are true.
	Perhaps you've had bad experiences with a black person.
	Or you've had two or three bad experiences with a black person.
	Or you could very well cite to certain crime statistics.
	But this would not mean that we should have a prejudice towards black people and believe that they are bad or something or that I would choose to be with a wild animal that is quite vicious and could be much stronger than any human because of crime statistics and because of first-hand bad experiences.
	Yeah, as much as I understand where you're coming from with that, I do think the primary difference is that men are just more capable of causing harm, right?
	Like they are physically stronger.
	And I don't think that there's any actual like real reason.
	If you have a bad experience with a black person, some people are out of control of their trauma, right?
	Whatever.
	But I don't, I think that most people in a circumstance like that can acknowledge on a logical level that there is no logical fear with that like general race, you know?
	I don't think people tend to make generalizations like that if other people of that same category don't pose the same threat.
	But all men are capable of the same harm that people have experienced, even if they probably won't do it, right?
	This isn't the Stone Age where people have access to force multipliers, knives, guns.
	So women can own guns, they can have knives, they can use other sorts of weapons to inflict like massive, massive amounts of bodily damage that completely outweigh any sort of damage you can do with your fists.
	Well, that's the thing.
	I'm sure that if a woman was hiking with a gun, this question wouldn't be relevant because it wouldn't matter who she runs into.
	Like if the question was posed, you're hiking with a gun, would you rather run into a man or a bear?
	I don't get it.
	Right, but this idea that women are immune to participating in acts of violence seems a bit naive.
	Well, I don't think that they are.
	I think that, you know, a lot of there are women who have experienced violent acts from other women who are uncomfortable around women as a result.
	But I also don't think that that stands as a generalization.
	Like, I think that if a woman would rather encounter a bear, that's not because she thinks that all men are evil or because she thinks that all men will cause harm.
	There's just a decent enough chance that, you know, like they said, I think that men are less predictable, like human beings are less predictable than animals.
	If you are well-versed in what to do in a bear attack situation, obviously I'm not, right?
	But if you are very confident in your ability to handle that situation, then I think that it's fair to rather face that threat, you know?
	Even if you don't think that that man would attack you that this but okay, I get that, but I suppose then would you be okay with perhaps a weak man, a weak man, like who has first-hand, a negative first-hand experience with a black person and they are familiar with crime statistics.
	Would you then be okay?
	Well, okay, this person, for these reasons then, because you're talking about a differential in physical strength between men and women, right?
	But you can acknowledge that there could be a specific man who's just as weak, so to say, as the average woman.
	Like there are men who are just as weak as the average woman.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So now that we're talking about sort of an equivalent differential in strength, are you okay with a weak man having this preference of bear over black person?
	If they personally have trauma regarding it, I do think that there's like it's not always rational.
	That doesn't make sense, right?
	But if they are...
	But you would rightfully label it as prejudicial or racist.
	I...
	I think that it can be.
	I think that would be.
	I don't necessarily believe so.
	But I think the logical extension from there would be, then it so too must be sexist towards men to pick the bear.
	Okay, I think that my best analogy here is if someone had a really bad experience with someone with curly hair, right?
	Someone with curly hair killed their whole family.
	Sure.
	And therefore they would rather run into a bear on a hike than someone with curly hair.
	I'm not offended by that.
	I don't think that's prejudice to me.
	I think that people have their own experiences and, you know, they feel more well equipped to handle certain things than others, whether the rationality of whether or not they'll be attacked stands or holds, you know?
	And I can understand that.
	I don't take offense to that.
	I think that the offense comes when the conversation.
	You would agree that there's differing levels of severity when it comes to prejudice.
	Like, for example, I'm really prejudiced against pineapple on pizza.
	Like, I don't like...
	That's really fucked up, Brian.
	I know.
	I know.
	I really don't like pineapple on pizza.
	And like, I'm prejudiced against pineapple.
	And I just, on its own, I don't really, it's a bit bitter, it's a bit sour.
	Too far, too far.
	Way better fruits, way better fruits than pineapples, okay?
	Mangoes, peaches, plum, or fuck plums.
	Nectarines on like a peach.
	Not a fan of pineapples, though.
	But most people wouldn't really have much significant objection to like a prejudice towards pineapple.
	But there's other prejudices that tend to manifest themselves in more harmful ways, right?
	So, okay.
	You know, I think when it comes to the threshold of what could be harmful, like curly hair, I think people are going to have less of an objection to like a phobia of people who have curly hair versus like a phobia as it relates to allenophobia is the right word, but prejudice against curly-haired people versus prejudice towards racial groups or prejudice towards men or women.
	I understand that.
	And as much as I do, I do think that like it's not necessarily prejudice to just have your own experiences and to be uncomfortable in certain situations.
	I think that where the prejudice comes in, and I can understand where you're coming from with this, because on this argument specifically, I have seen like the extreme sides of it on both ends.
	And I have seen people saying like, oh, yeah, if you see a man, like you're 100% going to die, at least you might survive a bear, right?
	Like that's crazy.
	That's insane.
	That is objectively prejudice.
	But yeah, I mean, if someone is acknowledging that like a good portion of men aren't actually going to hurt you and it's not, like a bear might even logically be more threatening, but they literally just like logically would handle that better, you know?
	I don't think that's prejudice.
	They just, they might feel, they might like rather if they give me a moment.
	Well, how about this?
	What about what about this sort of other sort of example?
	Look, we're doing the show.
	It's okay.
	It's all right.
	Almost midnight.
	Well, we'll wrap when we wrap.
	So what about this?
	So there is statistics that indicate that women are much more likely to kill.
	I'm not talking about abortion.
	Women are much more likely to kill their infant children.
	It's called infanticide.
	The crime statistics show that women disproportionately unalive their own children as compared to men.
	And this is comparing like, you know, it's not like this unfair comparison because you might say, well, women are more likely to be like in the presence of children.
	No, it's like there's a per capita or whatever analysis that's been done.
	Women are more likely to unalive their children.
	So if somebody asked me, well, Brian, would you feel more comfortable leaving your daughter, your young one-year-old daughter or son with a saber-toothed tiger or with a woman?
	Despite these crime statistics that exist, and despite that I could say, okay, well, women are more likely to unlive their children.
	It would be absolutely ridiculous for me to say that, well, cite the crime statistics and say, well, yeah, I'd rather leave my child with like a mountain lion over a random woman.
	I'd much rather leave my child with a random woman.
	Yeah.
	We see that it's a brick wall.
	You guys picked man too, so I don't understand.
	No, I do.
	There's no trap.
	There's no trap.
	Brian, how many times have you been sexually assaulted by a woman?
	How many times?
	No, no, no, but that's a really weird conversation.
	It's just a lot of people.
	That's a really weird statistic.
	Okay, I'm sorry, because predatory terms.
	How many times have you been afraid of that?
	How do you define essay?
	Brian, I'm just asking you, how many times have you been afraid of yourself?
	I've had women grab, like, I've had women touch me when I didn't want to.
	It's not the same thing, Brian.
	Oh, really?
	So, okay, it's okay to touch a woman.
	It's not really because it's midnight.
	He has one goal.
	It's bad.
	It's one goal.
	Wow, okay.
	That seems, well, that seems like gaslighting.
	I'm engaging in good faith.
	Hold on.
	I'm engaging in good faith with this conversation.
	I know that you want to be all upset about it because I didn't roll out the red carpet for you, blah, blah, blah.
	You asked to be on the show.
	Bro, you've been undermining me the entire show.
	You clearly have some issue with me.
	I'm engaging in this conversation.
	Can I not beef him up?
	That guy literally.
	What are you talking about?
	Engaging in this conversation in I told all 4.5 million of your followers how much I respected you for how hard you work on.
	What are you talking about?
	You're making stuff up at this point.
	What did you just say?
	You said that at the beginning of the stream.
	What did you just say now?
	You're like, don't you?
	You're trying to say like I'm trying to do something malicious.
	You said that you argue with people so you can be right.
	So you're not asking questions for them to have a point of view.
	You're asking questions for you to be right.
	So if you admitted that yourself, you said.
	Are you ever going to change your position on abortion?
	No.
	Oh, but when you debate, hold on.
	Wait, hold on.
	Just stop arguing with them.
	That's the point of the show, ladies.
	The pre-show said, it's been now.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	Hold on.
	We're almost done.
	But hold on.
	So, would you, if you were having a, have you ever debated somebody?
	You know, this point I'm about to make is going to completely blow out your argumentation entirely.
	I'm not here at this point.
	Would you?
	I'm not here.
	Make your body.
	I'm right.
	I am a woman who doesn't care about being right.
	Brian, Brian, make yourself.
	I don't care.
	You're so right.
	You are so.
	Whatever you say.
	Instead of doing this meta-conversation where there's criticisms of the actual, it's basically a meta-conversation.
	Just engage in the actual conversation.
	So my question to you is.
	You're not engaging in conversations.
	You engage in one-sided arguments so you can be right.
	If this was a conversation we'd love, we'd be having so much fun.
	But you only want to be right.
	Do you feel like I'm being bad faith in our discourse?
	Let's.
	I do want to say on this topic specifically, I mean, I think that we're not hearing each other.
	We're on different sides, but I do think that he is making an effort to genuinely listen on this subject specifically in a way that I can stand by you didn't do earlier.
	Okay.
	But I do think that this is being handled differently, and I can respect that.
	So, quick question for you.
	If you were engaged in abortion debate, would you be like, well, I'm open to having my mind changed, or are you so firm in your positions on abortion that it doesn't matter what kind of compelling arguments a pro-choicer would make?
	You're so firmly pro-life that you're not like, you'll engage in the debate, but regardless of what they say or how their rhetorical flourishes or whatever, or their logical argumentation, their reasoning, you are firm in your beliefs.
	You're not going to change your position on abortion.
	Is that fair to say?
	But if I'm so firm in my convictions and what I believe, I'm not going to go back and forth with someone who clearly doesn't agree with me.
	Because at that point, I'm just trying to be right, on top of right, on top of right, on top of right.
	That at some point, it doesn't matter.
	Because if I believe what I believe, I'm going to stay that way.
	And it doesn't matter what this other person says.
	I can hear them.
	I can engage in dialogue, but I'm not going to keep badgering it and going after it.
	But for what at that point, Brian, like, what is it?
	But hold on.
	You know what the show is, right?
	Like, this is a show where people have these conversations.
	It's adversarial.
	It's contentious.
	That's the show.
	Like, so you can't act surprised when, like, you can't act surprised when Brian, anyways, whatever.
	Just for the sake of time, I'm just going to try to get things going here.
	Christopher, that is just plain stupid.
	All men do not have the same capability to commit violence.
	Some men are in wheelchairs.
	Some men have no legs at all.
	And some men are 84 years old and can't run too fast.
	The prompt acts about a random man.
	Well put, Christopher.
	Well put.
	Here's what we're going to do, guys.
	So we're going to do a $69 row session to wrap up the show.
	So I know sometimes usually it's a bit lower, guys, but we have gone a bit late.
	So we do have to just leave it at $69.
	So we're going to do a $69 TTS.
	Make sure it's through Streamlabs, guys.
	Make sure it's through Streamlabs.
	Streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	We're going to do a row session and then we'll hopefully get this wrapped.
	Oh, the audience can send in some roasts.
	So you guys will love this.
	It's kind of fun.
	They're gonna roast me, guys.
	You know what?
	Guys, send some roast towards me.
	The girls obviously hate me.
	So just roast the shit out of me so they can feel better about tonight or whatever.
	They don't hate you, Brian.
	You can be honest.
	Can't hate anybody.
	You can be honest.
	You strongly dislike me.
	How about that?
	No, I don't.
	All right, $69 TTS.
	Get them in, gentlemen.
	Get them in.
	Any thoughts from any of the panelists?
	Like, I know there's a bunch of notes.
	We won't be able to get to any of them.
	Does anybody have anything they want to talk about or whatever?
	I think that this was a really good session to agree to disagree.
	Well, you can say that.
	I don't agree to disagree.
	Agree to disagree?
	Please affirm my please affirm my identity as the right person.
	Oh, callbacks.
	All the issues.
	Yes, callback humor.
	It's my only charm.
	Please affirm, please affirm my identity, please.
	$69 TTS, $69 TTS if you want to get it in.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Look, I'm just saying with the bear thing, final thing.
	I'm just saying, I think you guys underestimate the risk profile of a bear, and I think you wait, did I say underestimate?
	You underestimate, you underestimate the risk profile of a bear, and you overestimate the risk profile of men.
	Food for thought.
	Food for thought.
	All right.
	TTS is 69.
	Ooh, well done, Nick.
	You got it perfect.
	Ooh, damn, Nick is quick with it.
	Well done, Nick.
	Let's see if I need to check.
	No, I think everything's all said for anybody who wants to send in a roast while we're waiting for those to trickle through.
	A couple things here from the questionnaire: Women are just as physically strong as men.
	That's you, Geo.
	Why you agree with that?
	Why is that?
	Okay, so when I had answered that, it wasn't within the correct context.
	But speaking about the depth of our conversation earlier regarding sports, I have a different opinion.
	So that was like a quick write-down.
	I wasn't thinking in depth.
	But generally speaking, would you say men are physically stronger than women?
	Generally speaking, yes.
	Okay.
	And I'm prepared to say, like, obviously, I mean, it's just biological reality.
	Obviously, there are women who are stronger than men.
	Yeah.
	Like, some women are stronger than some men, but okay.
	All right.
	Nobody else bit on that.
	We have, let's see, Lola.
	Wait.
	Lola?
	Is that you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I want to see if you get it.
	You said women can't be sexist towards men.
	Why is that?
	Oh, God, did I?
	Well, okay.
	Those ones I was.
	Don't laugh at me.
	No, I was, you know, stick your heels in.
	Oh, well, okay.
	That's how you feel.
	I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to make a claim here.
	I think that the term sexism in the same way that I think that it's very hard to pin down.
	Can women say things that are sexist?
	Yes.
	Can women view men as below them?
	Yes, that is sexist, right?
	When I circle, or I didn't circle, whichever one was the, you know, disagree.
	I think that that was more so from a place of because of the way that this country is currently functioning and set up, women in our futures at least will never be like systemically in a position of power over men.
	And I think that that is the sexism that really matters in our day-to-day lives.
	So you acknowledge there's different kinds of sexism.
	Yes, that's why my answer is complicated because you're so you're talking systemic.
	There's no systemic sexism.
	Or well, at least systemically, women can't be sexist towards men.
	Not in our lifetimes, I believe.
	Not in our lifetimes.
	But obviously, things change, you know.
	I don't know, maybe 300 years in the future, women will dominate over men and they'll be, you know, I don't know.
	But in our lifetimes, I don't see that realistically happening.
	But is it possible that the woman could, well, hold on.
	Are systems only governmental?
	Not necessarily, but I don't think that there are.
	I guess they're.
	I don't know if you can think of a system that favors education system.
	Like, is that a system?
	Sure.
	Do you think that that favors women?
	Like, for example, could there be systemic discrimination in the education system that was racist or whatever?
	Like, it prevented.
	Yes.
	It prevented.
	Hold on, one sec.
	And you would acknowledge it can also systemically be sexist towards women, the education system.
	I believe so, yeah.
	Okay, so now that we've established that the educational system could be systemically sexist towards women, at least, you could, like, logically, it's possible you would agree that it could be systemically sexist towards men.
	Hypothetical, yeah, but I think that the reason that it can exist towards women is, again, because I do believe that women are viewed as less capable.
	And I think that that does play a part in the education system.
	I think a lot of educators do view women as less capable, take their education less seriously.
	So if there were affirmative action practices that emphasized enrolling more women into university and they prioritized women over men, would you view this as systemic sexism?
	Like if it's harder for men to get into university because of affirmative action?
	I don't necessarily think so.
	I mean, my take on affirmative action is just that the role that it plays is two-level playing fields.
	I think that, you know, if women are constantly treated lesser than in educational circumstances than men, obviously they will never be able to be more capable, right?
	If they're not given the same educations, if they're not given the same opportunities.
	Well, so what if I were to tell you, and it's just not what I think, this is actually, you can look up the statistics on this, that since 1980, women have been more involved in higher education, so college university, than men.
	There have been more women who go to college than men since 1980.
	So that's 45 years.
	So essentially, if you were a woman and you graduated in 1980, that would say you're 20, 21.
	That would put you at retirement age.
	That'd put you at 65, 66.
	So women have had an entire involvement and generation.
	I mean, you guys should at least wait for the lump on my right breast and I have a mammal.
	Well, some of them are.
	I mean, sometimes it goes longer.
	But we weren't said.
	We were totally honest.
	I have to be at the hospital to get to the next step.
	We do say sometimes it may go longer.
	We have to drive six hours back and then I have a mammogram ultrasonic morning.
	It's fine.
	When is this going to be over?
	I mean, like in 30 minutes, probably.
	Oh, no, we had to go well.
	Like, okay, well, I'm going to let the roast come in.
	I mean, if you guys saved for the roast, that'd be appreciated.
	Lack of markers are donated to the money.
	My response is bad about you.
	All right.
	Rage quit, I guess.
	Rage quit.
	Is that what you just said?
	Wow.
	I'm assuming.
	What?
	now if i tell you that's gonna be that was disrespectful you're gonna be like oh my god you're making it about race donated 69 dollars ask the girls their thoughts on streamer coin we have donated 110k to streamers this week are you allocating some of your of money Okay.
	None of us have thoughts on StreamerCoin, I'm pretty sure.
	Shameless plug.
	Chorextee donated $69.
	Of all of the women I've seen on the show, and most of you were pretty insufferable.
	Wow.
	I've never seen a more reprehensible, wretched old harpy than the creature occupying chair two.
	Fucking vile thing.
	I told you.
	What I told you was the rose session.
	Damn.
	Rose session.
	You're pretty good.
	To underscore real Frank Castle, 512 donated $69.
	Brian, it'd respect you more if you just do like Myron doesn't just Frank Castle this entire time.
	See, Olivia is the homie.
	Olivia, is that your name?
	You're the homie.
	Here, come to the table.
	Take that seat right there.
	Olivia, take that seat right there.
	The number one seat, Olivia.
	See, Olivia's based in red-pilled.
	I'm based in what?
	Based and red-pilled.
	It's a compliment.
	You're based in red-pilled.
	I do have to drive home, though.
	W, Olivia, don't worry.
	We're going to get you a horse.
	Do you know how to ride horseback?
	We have a.
	We have a.
	Can I get a horse?
	You can get a horse.
	I've earned a horse.
	This is fucking.
	What is it?
	Oprah Winfrey.
	You get a horse.
	You get a horse.
	So he has earned a horse.
	That is a full.
	Yo, W, guys, W is Olivia in the chat.
	Guys, send in a nice roast for Olivia.
	Olivia is based in Red Pills.
	Say something.
	We're going to hire Olivia.
	She's going to work for the podcast.
	What?
	What?
	You're placing me?
	No.
	There can be multiple.
	What the?
	Oh my God, chill, Philistin.
	Don't be so jealous.
	Can you zip it back there?
	Okay.
	Quiet.
	If you're going to be back there, don't talk.
	When are we ending this?
	He said, all right.
	You know what, I feel like you and me have pretty much been the only ones who've had like a good faith, productive conversation.
	Olivia's kind of based too.
	Are you down to.
	I think she wants to go.
	She's she.
	Wow.
	We're going to wrap soon, but I think.
	Wow, literally, you just said that.
	Like, I haven't been engaging in a good faith discussion this whole entire time.
	Like, you're going to say that, like, I haven't been engaging in a good faith discussion this whole entire time.
	Yeah, you've been like telling policing.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	No, you're being.
	Look, I've said I've been trying to get through it.
	Nobody's fucking letting me actually get through it.
	I've been talking the entire time.
	The problem is that it's midnight, and you told us we were going to be done later, like at 11.
	Well, you weren't even scheduled to be on the show, lady.
	Okay, great.
	So I don't need to be here then.
	You were, you're, you're disrespectful.
	I'm not disrespecting you.
	Your friend basically begged to have you on last minute.
	So, anyways, look, you had people cancel last minute, so you were actually excited about it.
	Great.
	Thank you.
	Felicity, could have taken your seat too.
	Ultimately, though, ultimately, deuces, I would say wow, this is an interesting one.
	What?
	I thought she fist bumped Nick.
	I thought she hit Nick.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	I thought you hit him.
	I was like, what?
	know what this is this is exactly why nba players make more than wnba players Oh, come on.
	Come on.
	That's funny.
	I just didn't understand.
	That's funny.
	Come on.
	That was not funny.
	That was not funny.
	Said somebody who.
	You know what?
	She wanted to call me fat.
	It's okay.
	I know I'm a little chubby.
	I know.
	I get it.
	I was not missing that.
	It's okay.
	Okay, whatever.
	Wait, so.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Peace out.
	Peace out.
	You too, homie.
	Oh, we needed that.
	Wait, what was I going to say?
	Oh, no.
	We tell people it might go longer.
	It might go longer.
	Anyways, okay, wow.
	Look at how beautiful.
	It's so peaceful and calm.
	Let me just get into my Zengar.
	Wait, do you want to just.
	Alright, whatever.
	All right.
	We have.
	Yo, Olivia's a fucking lady.
	She should put some makeup on that.
	I was.
	I forgot about it.
	Ryan, I don't know how the hell you put up with this.
	She slammed the bathroom door.
	If people are rage quitting, we shouldn't let them use the bathroom.
	Like, they just got leave.
	We can't let them use the bathroom, bro.
	Wait, was that a rage quit?
	It was a kick.
	Was it a quick?
	Rage quit?
	I think chair two was definitely maybe a rage quit, but that was because of the comment that the person.
	Yeah, somebody sent a roast.
	Well, I want to say some nice things to the two remaining panelists.
	I know we probably disagree on quite a lot.
	You've been super good faith the entire night.
	You've been rational.
	You've been reasoned.
	Well, for the most part.
	You've been calm.
	And I appreciate, I know maybe you don't hear some of these.
	what's the right word dive what would be oh my god i'm i'm cooked What's the word for disagree?
	disagree no like uh is the you want to just check on the There's nobody?
	No, there's like a couple fight.
	There's what?
	There's people some?
	Yeah.
	Where?
	They're just like watching us from behind the walls.
	Oh.
	Oops.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	You've probably heard things you disagree with, so I want to give you credit.
	Olivia, I think you've said like three words all night, but you've been sitting there respectfully.
	So W's, Olivia.
	Do you have any like hot takes you want to just drop here?
	Like, are you a flat earther?
	Say something insane.
	Are you a flat earther?
	Say the earth is flat.
	Hot takes.
	Hot takes at the end, Olivia.
	I do believe the earth is flat.
	Oh, shit.
	I knew it.
	Oh, my.
	This is.
	And I do believe that Pluto isn't a planet.
	Any other hot takes, Olivia?
	I think, actually, it's a dwarf.
	It was kind of true.
	It was kind of true.
	Yeah.
	I still take offense to it for the sake of the drama.
	My god, you guys should fight.
	Oh, yeah.
	New segment, we start fist fighting.
	Pulling each other's hair.
	What?
	Okay, okay.
	All right.
	Guys, if you want TTS roast $69, get it in, get it in.
	Final few points here, then we're going to get wrapped up.
	Wait, we were discussing about, oh, can women be sexist towards men?
	And then shit kind of hit the fan there.
	Yeah.
	Like, how about this scenario?
	Let's say when it came to the admissions board of a university, let's say it was predominated by women and they had like some sort of bias towards letting in more women.
	Whoops.
	Shit.
	More women than men.
	Could this constitute systemic sexism towards against men, I guess?
	Are we just discussing like affirmative action?
	Well, they're specifically generally having like a bias against men and the biases in favor of women.
	So they're letting more women in.
	They're like, we prefer to let more women in.
	Is there like reasoning behind that?
	What is the logic?
	Or is it just we'd rather have women?
	I think, well, I mean, there could be a whole bunch of reasons.
	I would say, generally speaking, women tend to have an in-group bias for other women.
	Sure.
	So they just be like, I, I don't know.
	Maybe they could, or they could just be like raging sexist and be like, I hate men.
	I don't want men to go to the university, so I'm going to like make it 70-30.
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, I believe in a circumstance where if there's a panel of women who are like, we cannot let men into this university because we hate them, yes, that is systemic sexism.
	Do I think that that's happening?
	Probably not.
	But do I know what's happening behind every university board?
	Of course not.
	But I do think that in a circumstance like that, yes, I can get behind.
	Wait, scoot over one seat?
	No, no, no.
	You scoot that way, and then I'll just have you scoot down one.
	That way we can do like splits like this.
	Make it a little easier.
	Sweet.
	And that angle is really flattering.
	Anyways, I don't know.
	Sorry, I'm cooked.
	I'm not sure what I'm saying.
	Final few things here.
	Obviously, we're not going to get into all of it.
	You said that.
	Here, let me just get rid of all these.
	I guess I just can look at yours.
	Does Olivia have any?
	Oh my God.
	Stop slamming the door.
	Slamming the door.
	It automatically.
	It's controllable.
	Yeah, that's true.
	No, Olivia doesn't really have any hot takes.
	Okay.
	So is everybody gone, Nick?
	Or what's okay?
	All right, we'll figure it out.
	We'll figure it out.
	Okay, Lola.
	People of color can't be racist towards white people.
	My argument stays the same there.
	It's the same thing, like on an individual level.
	Yes, anyone can be racist to anyone.
	But like, systemically possible that you could be systemically racist or sexist towards men or black people or women?
	I think that, you know, if our whole dynamic as a society shifted overnight and black people had the power in the way that white people currently do, then sure, yeah, like maybe in a couple hundred years, that'll be how it's like.
	But currently, I don't believe anyone's being systemically racist to white people in the way that they are to black people.
	Well, what about this scenario?
	So say there's a black majority corporation or company and they wanted to specifically just hire mostly black people and they refused to hire a white janitor because he's white.
	Would that be racist?
	Yes.
	If there's no other reason behind it, like say that it's, you know, a program to.
	Don't worry about those, Olivia.
	Just leave them.
	We'll take care of those.
	Say that it's a program to, you know, get like, I don't know.
	I know that there are a lot of circumstances in which black people in like communities in poverty are given extra opportunities to get out of those circumstances.
	I don't think that's racist.
	I think there are other reasons behind that.
	But if we're saying purely someone got rejected a job because they are white and they were looking for a black person, yes.
	So is your definition of racism prejudice plus power?
	Yes.
	Which it's complicated because I do think that individual racism is still racism.
	But I think that if we just say racism without specifying which one it is, I default to systemic.
	Okay.
	But so if, for example, on a more individual level, removing sort of, I guess, power dynamics, would you consider it racist for a black person to say, I hate white people?
	Would that be racist?
	I'm going to go with yes.
	That seems like it would align with my beliefs.
	All right.
	I don't think I have too much more pushback on that then.
	You say, I think we just, let's see, how many more do we have?
	Three more.
	Women, you say women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	How so?
	Rights is a strange term because it implies that it's like, you know, based in policy, right?
	I think that the wage gap is very real.
	I know that was another one of the questions, I think.
	Yeah, I think the wage gap is very real.
	I think that's a good idea.
	That would be more like either sort of if it was true.
	That would be more of like a, not some sort of government mandated phenomenon, but it would be like either a cultural or societal phenomenon.
	So are we talking specifically policy?
	Well, so when I'm thinking about rights, like who grants rights?
	Like the government.
	Right.
	Like for example, like a corporation, which could engage in like wage gap disparities, right?
	Yeah.
	You would never say that a corporation can grant somebody rights.
	Yeah, fair enough, actually.
	Although, hold on.
	I just want to be fair.
	Could they?
	Typically, like typically when I'm thinking of rights, my sense of rights is something that like, I do see where you're, yeah.
	Yeah, I think that honestly, this one might be more so just like a misreading of the text because I also can't really, you know, I can't name a policy.
	I can't name something in government that really discriminates against women.
	I meant that more so.
	But so I guess a loose definition of rights.
	Strictly about rights.
	You're saying women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	I'm just looking for, I guess, what is a right that a man has that a woman doesn't?
	Or that men have that women don't?
	Well, I mean, I do think that by the definition of rights that we've agreed upon, which is in policy, I don't actually have anything there.
	I was just taking it differently when I first read it.
	Sure.
	Well, then nothing for me to push back on that one.
	There is some dispute.
	You mentioned the wage gap.
	My position is that the wage gap, there is no wage gap, actually.
	If you do an adjustment and you control for variables, you can control for the type of profession, hours worked, the likelihood of engaging in overtime work, who's more likely to relocate.
	Men typically work more hours.
	And then the types of fields that men and women go into.
	When you start, it's very multivaried.
	When you start addressing all these different variables and you start considering all of them, the wage gap actually shrinks to just one cent.
	Men make one cent more than women.
	That's the controlled wage gap.
	The wage gap that you typically hear purported, the uncontrolled wage gap, is women make 80 cents on the dollar, 83, it's always changing.
	83 cents on the dollar, all these sorts of things, right?
	So my sense of this is that, and you can look this up, look up the controlled wage gap.
	So I think you would agree that it'd be unfair if, so what the wage gap is, the 83 cents, 80 cents, is it basically does a very raw comparison of all the money that women make and then compares it to all the money that men make.
	It doesn't factor into, it doesn't factor in any of those things that I listed.
	Hours worked, seniority, like no details.
	It's just comparing what men make to what women make.
	Not factoring it.
	Like it's not the case that, okay, you look at a woman and a man in the same geographical geography also plays a factor.
	There's a whole bunch of factors that weigh in.
	My counter, though, to this, moving off of just some of the economic realities and differences between what men go into when it comes to professions and also just men work more, men work more hours, men work more overtime, men work dangerous.
	Men are more likely to work dangerous jobs that pay hazard pay.
	Men are more likely to work dirty, undesirable jobs that tend to be paid quite a lot.
	If there's overrepresentation in those sorts of jobs, it would almost make sense.
	But I would argue, I would argue, Nick, close the doors, please.
	I would argue that since this is a dating podcast, I'll relate it to dating.
	Do you think that generally speaking, women want men to pay for first dates?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And do you think maybe not all women?
	Some women are fine doing 50-50.
	But do you think like, I don't know what the percentage breakdown is.
	Let's, I'll be super conservative with it.
	Let's say 30% of women want like a guy to be a provider.
	It might even be more than that, but maybe 30%, would you say that's a fair estimate?
	Yeah, I suppose.
	Right.
	So, I mean, assuming like, I don't know what the breakdown is in terms of conservative women versus liberal women, you'd agree that like conservative women, for example, are probably much more inclined to more traditional dating dynamics.
	Right.
	And so maybe conservative women is like 40% of all women.
	I don't know the exact numbers.
	There's even liberal women, by the way, who want men to be providers and pay for dates, et cetera.
	So don't you think that this would create a substantial, if like 30%, 40% of women want men to pay for dates, be a provider, that this creates like a sociological mating pressure that exists one directionally towards men that doesn't exist in the reverse?
	Sure.
	But I mean, I am also very anti the concept of men being providers.
	I'm very anti the idea of men paying for first dates.
	Sure.
	I don't think that I can understand where that comes from, but I think that the pressure put on men in the first place is a huge part of the problem.
	But you acknowledge that there's a pressure on men.
	Yes.
	And that pressure doesn't exist quite as wholesale as it does in the direction of women.
	I think it's a very different kind of pressure.
	I agree that women have different pressure, but when it comes to like financial achievements.
	Yes, I agree.
	Typically, men are not looking towards women to be providers.
	Yeah.
	And I would say generally women are like I think men can get away wanting 50-50, but it's really rare for a man to be able to have like this position.
	I want the woman to be the sole provider.
	I want the woman to pay for everything on the date.
	Women can have that expectation.
	Women can have that expectation.
	Okay, I want the guy to pay for dates, et cetera, et cetera.
	I want him to be a provider.
	Also, women can also want 50-50, but it's really rare.
	Like, it's got to be a fraction of 1% of women who are like going to go out there and pay for the first date and who are like okay with the guy being stay at home or okay holding a guy down and being the provider.
	And so while these other kind of dynamics do exist, it's exceedingly rare for this reason.
	There's a massive mating pressure that exists on men that doesn't exist on women.
	And men are highly motivated to, well, I mean, it depends what your specific pursuit is.
	Men are highly motivated by sex, but they're also highly motivated to find a good woman and to get married and to have a family and to have kids.
	And If a standard of women is to have a man who's a provider who pays for dates, and that's sort of the threshold to like, as a man, to getting that thing that they want, of course, there would be some.
	I mean, the way I'd frame it is if you think traditional gender roles are sexist, I'd frame it as follows: women's own sexism creates the gender wage gap because women's own standards of men as it relates to dating is exactly what contributes to men's.
	I would paint it as this: men are just more motivated to make money.
	It's more important for men to make money.
	I can understand that.
	Yeah, I mean, the controlled wage gap actually is just not something that I have looked into.
	From my understanding of it, I believe.
	Just tilt your mic down a little bit.
	Continue.
	I believed that the, or I was, as far as I was aware of, the 80 cents to the dollar was considering factors such as those.
	No.
	No, it's just comparing all women's earnings to all men's earnings.
	Yeah, that's just something I might need to look into more.
	But I do agree that there is more pressure on men to make more money.
	Nick, you remember that pay scale thing we looked up?
	If you want a source, you're welcome to find your own source on this.
	Yeah, that's something I'll look into.
	But this is, and Payscale is a very reputable company.
	I don't believe they have any sort of like conservative or like men's rights leaning whatsoever.
	Pay scale.
	Nick, can you pull it up?
	The PayScale gender wage gap?
	Yeah, yeah, 2025.
	Yeah, we'll do the 2025 one.
	Let me see if, do they have a wiki?
	Because it's a website.
	Remember the one with the so just for pay scale, it's a I'm just looking it up on Wikipedia.
	It's a compensation software and data company.
	So they have like their own data sets.
	But Nick, do you have like the one?
	Remember the one with the circles?
	Is she what is she taking off or what's up?
	Felicity?
	Oh, she's coming back based based in red-pilled.
	Oh, yeah, go ahead.
	Take your seat.
	Do you have it, Nick?
	No, I'm sorry.
	With the Payscale gender wage gap and here, PayScale 2024.
	Just do the 2024 one.
	Oh, wait, that's not even finding it for me.
	Shit, let me see.
	Hold on.
	Just PayScale.
	Sorry.
	No, it was.
	It was.
	Wait, here.
	Nick, do PayScale 2024 gender?
	This is for 2025, but show the images tab.
	Go F11 on it because we're about to pull it up.
	Okay, do you just show me?
	Okay, see that circle one up there?
	This is for 2025.
	You see, it says 2025.
	Oh, no, that's the wrong one.
	It's the blue, light blue, dark blue.
	Yeah, right-click, open a new tab.
	So that's for 2025.
	Okay, just show.
	You have it?
	Okay, so this is PayScale.
	You're welcome to look into their methodology on this.
	So the controlled gender pay gap, this measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications.
	Women earn 99 cents for every $1 earned by men.
	The uncontrolled gender pay gap, this opportunity pay gap, measures median salary for all men and all women.
	Women earn 83 cents for every $1 earned by men.
	Yep, I mean, this is something I'm just going to have to personally.
	So just look into it.
	Just look into it.
	But final two things here.
	You say women are oppressed in the USA.
	How's that?
	I mean, again, that was something that I found the wording to be a little funky.
	I more so agreed with it than I disagreed.
	So, women are not oppressed in the USA?
	I think that women do face discrimination, but I think that oppression is a big word.
	Okay.
	And then finally, men are more privileged in society than women.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's my same takes as earlier.
	I think that men are viewed as more capable.
	Men are viewed as more capable.
	Yeah, I think men are just taken more seriously.
	Like, you think that?
	Yeah, I mean, in my obviously, anecdotal evidence isn't really the most powerful, and I can name some other things.
	But specifically in my life, I know for a fact that I have not been taken as seriously as men equally as qualified as me because they are men.
	Well, what would be your evidence for the claim?
	Like, there are obviously the very little things, like social examples.
	I know that in friend groups, I tend to be, I do tend to make friends with a lot of men by coincidence.
	I know that's not a good luck, but I do think that if you're in a friend group primarily of men as a woman, you are by default treated as the dumb one.
	You are by default treated as like kind of the punching bag because men have more respect for men at a baseline.
	Do women have more respect for women?
	I think that there are some who definitely do, but I do definitely think it's to a much smaller extent.
	I think that the, you know, like extreme that we're seeing right now of a lot of women being like, that they hate men in this shit.
	I think that it really is like the extreme, you know?
	I'd like, sorry, yeah.
	No, no, go ahead.
	I would like to think that that's not the majority, and I don't believe it is.
	There's actually a study that was done that, and I was like trying to find it, but it's evading me.
	That actually demonstrated that, so women have a really, really strong in-group bias for other women.
	So like a positive bias, I guess.
	Like women are better, basically.
	Whereas men have a slight out-group bias for women.
	Well, I think that there's a difference between liking certain people more and having respect for them.
	I think that it's like a phenomenon we observe that women hate other women because, you know, they're kind of taught to, right?
	I think that like a lot of women do like other women because they have companionship with them.
	But I do think that it is very instilled in us that men are more deserving of respect, whether or not we like them more.
	Well, I mean, so you just said you're in a friend group and they just joke with you or what specifically.
	That's not like a current thing.
	My friends now are great.
	They're probably watching this.
	Okay, cool.
	But yeah, no, I've been in a lot of friend groups with a lot of men who, you know, we get into arguments like this.
	There's a reason that I like to argue so much.
	And it's very common that they will take each other very seriously.
	If one of them says something, they'll blindly believe it, right?
	But if I make a claim, then it's kind of laughed at.
	It's not taken seriously.
	And I mean, we can agree on a bunch of things.
	It doesn't even necessarily have to be about difference of opinion.
	Like, there have been times where I have made a claim and they will, you know, treat it like it's this absurd, stupid, unbackable thing.
	And then if one of the other men in the friend group agrees with me on it, then it's suddenly taken very seriously and actually discussed.
	Which, I mean, again, I don't think that this is how all men or all women view everything.
	I think that it's just not great people that I was surrounded by.
	But I do definitely think that there's a lot of those people out there.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have chats coming through.
	Then we're wrapping.
	The roasts are coming through.
	Here we go.
	Celine LaGorn is donated $69.
	With all the rage quits.
	This episode is turning out great.
	Props to the two that stayed.
	Chair 3 has potential if she gets uninoctrinated.
	W Brian, W Felicity, W Other Prop Girl.
	W Whatever.
	Yo, thank you, Selena Gornes.
	Appreciate it.
	W Nick W Nick.
	GMD Jim donated $69.
	The reason being in the middle of the moment.
	They're not going to be able to do that.
	They're just paying me.
	It is worthless sport for women.
	There's like three coming through.
	Trust me, I'm literally rapping as soon as these come through.
	I didn't find the keys anywhere.
	Okay.
	Final call, guys.
	If you want to get it in, get it in.
	We're wrapping.
	The irony of watching eight women tell you that you're gaslighting them all.
	Yep.
	Which is actually was gaslighting is wild.
	I don't take back what I said about Chair 2.
	She's a reprehensible old vulture.
	You're not Chair 2.
	It was the.
	Oh, yeah.
	No.
	Don't worry.
	No one would ever say that about me.
	Pretty nice.
	She just interrupted a lot.
	Yeah.
	Your XD donated $69.
	I know I don't, unfortunately, have the clout required to be on the panel, Brian.
	But my goodness, Stu, I wish I could be there to back you up with logical argumentation.
	I was fuming this show.
	Bro, I had some covert feminists over here on this side, man.
	Bro, the woke, they were woke.
	Maybe not cover.
	Even if they weren't covert feminists, they were covert woke.
	That's fine.
	Good.
	Felicity, you take that seat.
	Felicity, you take that seat.
	Wow, this is the most it's ever.
	I mean, I think we've had a few times kind of like this before, but it's pretty rare.
	Most people stick it to the end.
	That girl, I'm about to fall asleep.
	It's rapping here.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, Justin.
	Justin Martin's donated $69.
	Thank you, man.
	Strong finish, Brian.
	You sure do have a way with the ladies.
	Oh, yeah.
	They loved me.
	Yo, what Chaw said, though, or no, it wasn't Chaw.
	It was no, it was Chaw.
	That I was gaslighting.
	Having a difference of opinion and standing firm in your position is not gaslighting.
	Like having a disagreement with somebody is not gaslighting.
	People like to throw out these like psychological psycho-babble terms and they have no idea what they actually mean.
	What's that thing when somebody's just called pathologizing or what?
	What?
	No, people just, therapy speak.
	People just, I don't know.
	Oh, he's a narcissist.
	We do this shit all the time where these people will come on the show and say, I dated a narcissist.
	Okay.
	Was any of the men you've dated that you consider a narcissist, have any of them been diagnosed as a narcissist besides you?
	Did they have a clinical diagnosis with NPD narcissistic personality disorder?
	No?
	Oh.
	People throw around these terms.
	They don't really know what it means, man.
	Hold on.
	I think they mean narcissistic tendencies, but they're not.
	Mr. Basteman donated $70.
	Irina, Charlie, rest in peace.
	Your memories shall endure.
	Your demises are irremedial atrocities.
	My fervorous rage shall know no reprieve.
	But a single fornicating stride astern we shall not render.
	Yo, based.
	I'm seeing, there's a lot of names in here.
	I haven't seen them.
	Based man, thank you, dude.
	Whoa, Justin Martins.
	I haven't seen y'all.
	GMD Jim?
	Bro, it's like you guys came out the woodwork for this one.
	Who was the other guy earlier?
	Kleblask, who did the champagne pop?
	Who's the other guy who I hadn't seen in a minute?
	Lol Paladins.
	I don't know if you guys are still watching, but W's in the chat for you guys.
	You guys are fucking OGs.
	Maybe not OGs, but.
	Cool.
	It's been a minute since I've seen you guys.
	Here we go.
	Brian's huge $69.
	Brian needs to frank Castle Bad Faith, captain 340 girls in the future.
	Terrible panel making bullshit claims with no evidence than the sister who had always has to defend Pussier's thoughts.
	BTWRIP Charlie.
	Yo, Charlie.
	Oh, I thought, sorry.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	You know, the thing is, is that those four girls came together.
	So I'm kind of in a bind where, like, if I'm inclined, I don't think those four girls were.
	I don't know.
	I'm in a bind.
	If I kick off like a group, they're all leaving.
	Like, I can't just.
	If it's four, and they all came to four girls came together.
	If two girls come together, I kick off one, two go.
	So it's like four if yeah, four, I'm in a bind.
	I could kick off two as long, but four, I lose half the panel.
	So that is a bit of a bind.
	Um, and I really, look, I don't, I don't want to kick, it would be good for me.
	Like, the kickoff clips do great.
	Like, I could, I could just be kicking off for arbitrary people.
	I could be kicking people off for totally arbitrary reasons and just farming that shit.
	And those clips go viral and it'd be great for me.
	But I really try to not kick people off.
	I don't want to have to.
	This girl here fucking couldn't listen to instructions.
	I don't know what the fuck.
	Oh, that girl.
	Yeah, this girl here.
	I don't know.
	I'm a problematic person, Felicity.
	Yeah.
	I'm very problematic.
	I don't think, Nick, what do you think, dude?
	Is it that whole picture?
	It wasn't equitable.
	It wasn't equitable.
	Yeah.
	They made it about race when it had nothing to do.
	I mean, you've showed that picture a few times and nobody else has made it about race.
	So I think they've made it about race before.
	But not to that extent.
	Not to that extent.
	She got tricked.
	They went full woke.
	The 44-year-old, abstinent, 12-year celibate Christian, totally woke, went totally woke.
	So, James, we will try to get Dr. Orion back.
	Okay, I think that's pretty much it.
	Any final thoughts?
	Do you have any other super liberal friends you want to refer to the show?
	Oh, they'll have an awesome time.
	My final thoughts are: I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight.
	She's going to sleep like a baby.
	I've tired myself out.
	Yo, chat, please say something nice about Lola.
	She made it to the very end.
	You're this, I mean, these are my, they work for me, so they have to be here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, like, you're the last man.
	I feel like there's one survivor or something.
	I'm the last woman standing.
	We need to give her a gift.
	I've outlasted.
	Can I have a gift?
	You are getting one cold slice of pizza.
	Can I get a better gift?
	I don't know.
	We have gifts.
	What can we give her?
	Do you want Charlie?
	Oh, do you want a copy of Charlie Kirk's book and a Bible?
	In a very respectful way, to respect the dead.
	I'm going to go in now.
	Why would it be disrespectful to accept that?
	That would be respectful.
	That would be respectful.
	Acceptable.
	Well, I'm saying it's a good idea.
	With all due respect.
	Nah, I get it.
	All right.
	Let me do the outro.
	But yeah, no, chat, say some nice things about Lola.
	She was good faith.
	She stayed till the end.
	She didn't whinge and complain.
	Oh my God.
	She's a trooper.
	She's good faith.
	I know we disagreed.
	It's fun to disagree.
	No hard feelings.
	No hard feelings whatsoever.
	I thought you were a wonderful guest.
	You were the best guest.
	You win the award of best guest of the night.
	Well, I personally think I'm an angel.
	There you have it.
	We're on the same page.
	There you have it.
	There you have it.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, two more came through.
	Just one sec, guys.
	I'm going to let these final ones come through.
	Selena Gorn is donated to $69.
	Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk and the Rina Zarutska.
	This is the turning point.
	Prayers for the family and friends of both.
	We didn't do both.
	Brian and I.
	That is an inspiration to so many.
	I think this person used to say mean comments about me.
	Selena.
	This is also a person I haven't seen in a while.
	Bro, I don't know what's going on tonight.
	Charles Sterling donated $69.
	RIP Charlie Kirk, you will be missed A good man, husband and father Taken to soon Don't let his sacrifice Be in vain You guys got to get involved.
	If you have strong convictions about anything, get involved with politics.
	Don't do, you know, and speak.
	Speak, guys.
	And just, yeah.
	We have some more ch-sorry, hold on.
	Fix.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I saw some comments about this.
	I'll explain this.
	I'll explain this.
	Christopher, fix your flag.
	The union should be on the floor.
	Okay, so the flag is actually, we don't have any extra space there.
	So it's actually folded in half, but I do know the appropriate orientation.
	It is supposed to be on the left, but I just, I folded it because you wouldn't even see the stars if we put it up the right way, if that makes sense.
	What I think I'm going to do, maybe I'll just get a smaller flag so like it can be orientated the right way.
	But trust me, guys, I know the flag is not.
	I know.
	I googled the shit.
	I googled it.
	It's supposed to be the stars on the left.
	If you're going to hang vertically, it just, if we hung it the other way, you would just see stripes, you know?
	So I figured, you know, anyways, whatever.
	Okay, outro time.
	Oh, do you want to share your body count?
	You know, all good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good time.
	Thanks so.
	All right.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	All right.
	GG.
	Oh, boy.
	GG, well played.
	Normally I say to the panel, but I guess.
	Tolola.
	To the last man standing.
	Are your pronouns?
	Oh, sure.
	You don't use they?
	I technically use all of them.
	We're not getting into that.
	And they're fluid.
	Last, the last they standing.
	Yep.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
	While you're live, obviously, you can't leave a comment.
	Stick around for just 30 seconds, guys.
	Leave a nice comment.
	I read them.
	Positivity is nice.
	Helps the algorithm to just leave a comment.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	That was quite a doozy of a panel, guys.
	That was a real doozy of a panel.
	That was a rough one for me, boys.
	It was feral.
	It was feral.
	I had like five rage quits.
	I was being gaslit, okay?
	The gaslighting was fucking crazy.
	Anyways, that was a tough one for me, boys.
	That was a tough one for me.
	So I apologize to my staff.
	Look, when it's a hard panel, I just get sassy.
	I get sassy.
	I get.
	Yeah, I was sassy with.
	Look, look, I know when I'm being a dick.
	I know, at least I am self-aware.
	You can't.
	At least I'm self-aware.
	I shouldn't be a dick to begin with, but at least I'm aware that I'm kind of being a dick.
	It really doesn't help.
	I mean, you could say sorry.
	Oh.
	I'm sorry you feel that way.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	That's a narcissistic.
	That's a narcissist.
	I'm not kidding me.
	I'm so gad.
	No.
	I do apologize sincerely and genuinely.
	Today was a stressful day.
	I've had a very stressful week with what happened with Charlie.
	I'm not trying to make excuses, but I've had a stressful week, a stressful month, a stressful years, stressful life, whatever.
	But this week in particular was quite brutal.
	The pre-show with the girls, no showing.
	You're forgiven.
	It was rough.
	So I do apologize if I was a little sharp.
	Is that the right word, sharp?
	I apologize if I was a little sassy, if I was a little snappy.
	Snappy is the good word.
	I was a little snappy tonight.
	I apologize to Felicity, to Nick.
	Yeah, I was the only one.
	I think maybe I got a little bit, but okay.
	Nick's a trooper.
	Okay.
	So sorry for being, you know, a scumbag.
	You're forgiven.
	All right.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DMI or whatever.
	But yeah, thank you guys so much for the patronage tonight.
	That was three champagne pops, right?
	That was a lot.
	Three or four.
	It was three, right?
	It was Jay, it was Kleblasks, and it was Lol Paladins, I believe.
	Yo, shout out to you guys.
	This show is viewer supported.
	A lot of our stuff's demonetized.
	We couldn't do it without you guys.
	So thank you, bomb of my heart.
	Your patron, like again, we couldn't do it without you.
	Your patronage is deeply appreciated.
	Sorry, hold on.
	Don't hate me.
	Celine Legorn is donated $69.
	W Lola for sticking it out.
	Also, take the book and the Bible.
	Reading won't hurt you if you don't like it.
	Don't reread it, but take it.
	Final thought on that?
	I think she's good.
	I'm all good, but I appreciate the offer.
	I have read the Bible.
	She actually told me before the show, guys, she does creative writing.
	She actually told me that she writes My Little Pony fanfiction.
	Yes, exactly.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	Let me just double.
	By the way, James, thank you for the super chat.
	Why do I feel like I'm forgetting something?
	Well played or whatever you always say.
	What Nick, are we forgetting something?
	I feel like we're maybe hurting.
	No, we're just wrap.
	Okay.
	And the FinDom stuff, you just skipped over Christmas.
	Well, I mean, they left.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, maybe they're down to come back for round two.
	I don't know.
	You never know.
	You never know.
	Sometimes we've had.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Okay.
	Why do I feel like I'm forgetting something, Nick?
	Like, something really important.
	I don't think you're at least ending right now.
	Something like that.
	This is normal time.
	I guess I just want to say, you know what I'd love to do is it'd be really cool if we got Erica Kirk on the show.
	That'd be really cool.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And hear her testimony.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	It was an interesting panel.
	A little rough for me, guys.
	But I hope you enjoyed the show.
	I feel like it was a bit rough, but I think it was high-paced, high-energy.
	So, all right, guys.

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