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Charlie Kirk DESTROYS Whatever Podcast FULL VIDEO #1

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	Thanks for tuning in tonight.
	We're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, so where you're from, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, my name is Sophia.
	I'm 21 and I'm from Chicago.
	I am a streamer and I do a lot of social media influencing.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, my name is Erin, aka Straterade.
	I'm originally from South Texas, but now based in Miami Beach.
	I'm 25 and I work for Progressive Victory, which is a PAC dedicated to helping get progressive politicians elected to office.
	All right, welcome back.
	Hi, I'm Savannah.
	I'm 20.
	My birthday just happened.
	26.
	I'm 26.
	I'm from LA.
	And I'm a clothing designer slash model.
	Okay, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Pixie.
	I'm 24.
	I currently live in Miami, but I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.
	I also work with Progressive Victory and the streaming operations, helping connect streamers to legislators to help pass progressive legislation.
	So yeah, here I am.
	All right, welcome back.
	Hi, I'm Angel.
	I'm 19.
	I do social media and I am a piercing apprentice.
	Okay, got it.
	Hi, I'm Tina Snows.
	I'm from Dublin, Ireland.
	I'm 25.
	I'm a content creator on social media, on OnlyFans.
	I also work with productions on adult movies.
	And I'm also involved in influencer boxing scene.
	And I've just started streaming on Twitch.
	You do any boxing yourself or you're just involved in the promotion?
	I just started training.
	I took it off two months ago because I've already done the Ring Girl.
	I've done Ring Walks.
	So I'm taking the training now, seeing where I can go.
	Maybe 2024, you'll see me fighting in the ring.
	Who knows?
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Hi, I'm Molly Little.
	I'm 20, and I'm a porn star, and I do OnlyFans.
	I'm Charlie, Charlie Kirk, honored to be here.
	And I run Turning Point USA and also host a podcast, the Charlie Kirk Show, and have a YouTube channel, all that good stuff.
	Sweet.
	From Arizona.
	Age?
	I just turned 30, so I'm getting too old for this stuff.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Well, okay.
	30, I'm 30.
	When was your birthday?
	October.
	Great.
	So what we're going to do is we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everyone's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule?
	How long have you been single if you're single?
	What's the longest relationship that you've ever been in?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I am single.
	I've been single for about, I would say, four months now.
	And the longest relationship I've had would probably be a year.
	All right.
	I'm taken.
	I'm in a relationship with my boyfriend, like in Cooks, and we've been together for five months.
	And this is my longest relationship.
	And my first relationship.
	Congrats.
	There you go.
	I am in a relationship.
	What was the other question?
	What's your longest?
	Oh, longest.
	Two and a half years.
	I'm single, like Pringle.
	I'm looking to date.
	My longest relationship was like three to four years.
	You said longest relationship was three to four years?
	Yeah.
	And is this a new relationship for you?
	Okay.
	Because I think last time you were on, you were not in a, okay, got it.
	So how new is this?
	Like a month or so?
	Oh, if you can, can you scoot into the table just to tad?
	Oh, is there no space?
	That's fine.
	How new is the relationship?
	Not even a month.
	Okay.
	Could I have you scoot your microphone that way just a tad?
	No?
	Other way?
	Oh.
	Yep, perfect.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for a year, and my longest relationship was a year and a half.
	All right.
	I've been single for about two years, a little bit over two years.
	My longest relationship is between six months and a year.
	Yeah, and they usually always cap without I've only had like three relationships and they never last longer than that.
	I get bored too easily, I guess.
	You get bored too easily.
	I think, I don't know.
	And you said from six months to a year, you seem a little uncertain about the length of your longest relationship.
	Is it a bit hazy in the sense of was it on again, off again?
	Is that kind of what you're it wasn't really on and off, but it was kind of like we dated for six months and then we were in a relationship for a couple more months.
	So the total of kind of being in a situation and dating and stuff can be up to a year, yeah.
	Okay, Molly, what about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	It's been 10 months, and my longest relationship is about a year.
	All right.
	Charlie, what about you?
	Happily married.
	Okay.
	We've been together for five years and we'll be celebrating our three-year anniversary in May and we have a beautiful daughter.
	All right.
	Well, I think, you know, you're being the only married person here, I think that's perhaps a good jumping off point.
	I think a lot of people, both men and women, they're kind of frustrated with the current dating landscape.
	Do you have any thoughts on this?
	What's your diagnosis?
	And any solutions?
	And we'll go.
	We'll open it up.
	Sure, yeah.
	Yeah, I think people need to date with the intent to marry.
	Yeah, I'm a big critic of hookup culture in its current form.
	I believe sex should be sacred and is sacred.
	And it's really way thrown away way too generously in this society and culture.
	And I can tell you I'm super blessed.
	I have the best wife in the world.
	We have an amazing life.
	Building a family is the coolest thing ever.
	And my prayer for all of you is that you one day can do that.
	That's so cute.
	It's honestly the most joyful thing.
	And I've had some pretty amazing experiences.
	I've been very, very blessed.
	Very lucky, you could say, but very blessed is the word I would use.
	And the greatest joy I've ever had is coming home to my little daughter running up to my leg.
	There's nothing that even comes close to it.
	Not flying on Air Force One, not meeting with presidents.
	That's all that pales in comparison to your little girl coming up and squeezing your leg.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Does anybody else have any thoughts on that?
	With, you know.
	Yeah.
	So I just wanted to circle back because you said something that caught my attention and I disagree with it.
	Because you said something like, I hope all of you can experience that.
	You said something like, I hope all of you can experience that.
	And I mean, I don't disagree with that.
	I hope we can all experience joy in life like that.
	That's amazing.
	But I just feel like I don't know why you said it that way.
	Like, maybe we're not going to experience that because we don't have the same values as you.
	Is that what he said?
	I thought it was.
	I don't think that's not the impression I got, but if Charlie wants to answer.
	Well, if I said it that way, I didn't mean it that way.
	But do you feel is that a goal that you have to be a mother?
	Here's a thing.
	Oh, okay.
	The P-Star is giving Charlie a covert.
	Whoa, okay, all right, okay, okay, okay, all right.
	Moving on.
	No, but Molly, do you think that's a good question?
	No, no, no, sorry, go ahead.
	Is that a goal that you would want in your life to be a mother?
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that in your self-described current line of work that that is more or less likely?
	What do you mean by likely?
	Like, I mean, maybe you can tell me more about your line of work.
	What would you like to know?
	Do you think that it's going to create a good, happy family in the future?
	Right now I'm working on it.
	Yeah.
	Me and my boyfriend are doing really well in our relationship.
	And honestly, I think contrary to what most people would believe, I think being in porn has strengthened us.
	Why is that?
	I've never heard that.
	Can you tell me why?
	So basically, like being important and having sort of like this open type of relationship where you can have sex with other people.
	Obviously, there are certain boundaries in the relationship, but it really makes you think about, you know, what's important, why you love this person.
	And, you know, you start to really hold things true that are deeper than just sex.
	And I think that on top of that, you can share sex with other people together.
	And that's really bonding.
	That's really fun.
	Are you ever worried that you do you ever get jealous of him if he has sex with other people?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you do?
	Yeah.
	So how does that strengthen your relationship?
	Because we're able to talk about it.
	And I think every time that I bring up a concern and he's able to soothe it and we're really able to like work on that bond, it just makes it stronger.
	Have you ever, when you were having sex, do you ever think it's more than physical?
	That maybe there's emotional and spiritual connections you might be introducing?
	No.
	So it's a purely physical experience?
	Yeah.
	See, for me, sex is more than physical.
	It's actually, that's the least part of sex for me because I get to share it with my soulmate.
	It's my best friend.
	That's definitely a big energy exchange.
	Yeah, it's a big energy exchange.
	And so Molly, I would ask, respectfully, you know, wouldn't you want to only share that energy exchange with the person that you love most and want to have children with?
	I think sex can exchange different types of energies.
	So like you can exchange an intimate type of energy or you can exchange a really passionate, like horny type of energy.
	You can exchange dull energy during sex.
	You can exchange manipulative energy during sex.
	Sex can be used for a wide variety of things.
	And I think the biggest one is like marital spiritual connection, but you can't deny that there's other benefits to it as well.
	If you could be with your boyfriend currently and I waved a magic wand and I said you can make a million dollars a year and never do porn again, would you?
	No.
	Okay.
	Period.
	Okay.
	What?
	Are you making more than that a year, Molly?
	Not yet.
	Oh, well, then, I mean, aren't you doing that?
	That's your profession, so I assume you're doing that to make money, correct?
	Yeah, 100%.
	Well, also.
	Charlie just has a magical wand he's got that's not the one he's For the sake of argument.
	He's used the wand.
	You can make a million dollars a year.
	You don't have to do the adult content.
	Well, the thing is, I wouldn't have to do it.
	That would be great, but I would still want to do it.
	I mean, personally, I'm an exhibitionist.
	I love putting my sexual self out there for other people to see, for other people to touch themselves to, have fun with.
	I love it.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Since you're about presenting yourself to the world, do you have a good relationship with your father?
	Okay, here we go.
	No, I don't talk to him.
	I'm not surprised.
	Yeah.
	I actually think it's principled that you said you wouldn't give it up just for money because that shows that you do it for reasons beyond just like financial ones.
	It shows you have like a genuine passion and interest in it.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200.
	In other words, sex is whatever she needs to make believe it is at the time she needs to rationalize it.
	It's called whole logic.
	Oh.
	I wouldn't use that language, but Molly, what I would say is you seem like a sweet person.
	Maybe something to think about as the years go on that maybe sex should just be saved for the person you love most.
	I would ask you or the panel, what would your definition of love be?
	Me and the whole panel?
	Or just anyone?
	I mean, that's just a fundamental question with dating, right?
	Is that a tough question, guys?
	It's kind of, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's a very good thing.
	I feel like love is a complex answer.
	You know what?
	Let's go around the table.
	No, it's great.
	It's great.
	It's great.
	We'll go around the table.
	Do you want to answer?
	So your question is, what is love?
	Yeah, that's a song, too.
	What is love?
	It's a good song.
	Yeah.
	How would you define love?
	Because I think shouldn't that we all agree that's probably a good goal of dating to find love?
	Do we all agree on that?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So we'll start with you.
	We'll go around the table.
	If you guys want to give your answers for that, go ahead.
	I feel like love is an emotional connection between two people that value each other and accept each other for who they are.
	I feel like that's what love is.
	I feel like real love is when you find kind of, I guess, things you don't like about the person you're with and you still choose to be with them and grow with them either way.
	I feel like that's real love.
	I feel like that's more of a romantic type of love.
	I feel like love is something that's going to transcend just romantic relationships.
	And I would say it's like an emotional bond that exists between human beings.
	And I say human beings just to specify that I don't think it exists between people and things because I think that's kind of materialistic.
	Flam Life, thank you for the gift at 50 memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry, go ahead, Aaron.
	Go ahead.
	Just that I think love is a connection that exists between people, not things.
	To get away from more of like a materialist understanding of like people saying, I love my car or I love this item or whatever.
	I don't really think that constitutes love.
	But other than that, I would not be able to really define it.
	It's a question that philosophers have been debating since the beginning of time.
	I don't know that it'll be answered on this podcast.
	Hold on.
	Donald Trump donated $200.
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	For the record, I'm not old enough.
	Oh, you're not old enough to be the VP pick.
	Okay.
	I thought we had a whatever exclusive here, Charlie Kirk.
	35.
	The VP pick.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, Erin.
	Go ahead.
	No, just that.
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	I agree with both of them, so I don't really have anything else to add.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There is different types of love.
	Obviously, we don't feel love for our parents the same way we do with a romantic partner.
	Right.
	Or friends, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But with that being said, I would classify love as a deep connection and emotion that you share with someone and also kind of like really hoping for the best for that person for who they are and their future and just like what you hope you can do together as well.
	Okay.
	I agree with them as well.
	I think love is accepting someone for all of them, not just the good parts.
	And I think that it should be like unconditional if you're going to love someone, that it should be, you know, the good and the bad.
	That's a tricky one for me because I have a hard time.
	I'm difficult to kind of deal with the term love and things around it.
	I'm kind of scared of it.
	But I feel like the main type of love that I like to focus on is just the self-love.
	Like as the rest of the girls are saying, there's so many different types of love you can find in a partner, but I feel like, I don't know, I couldn't imagine myself loving someone unconditionally, but myself, sure, I can find ways.
	Can I ask a question?
	Absolutely, go ahead.
	Why do you think you're afraid of love?
	I don't know what it is.
	I think maybe the commitment of this lying.
	Yeah, it's scary, isn't it?
	I feel that way.
	I feel like people are afraid of happiness because happiness isn't long-term.
	You can't stay happy forever, especially with the person.
	It's not always going to be perfect.
	So I feel like a lot of people are scared of love because I feel like, well, let's say you're in a relationship with somebody, right?
	And I guess the best thing you can hope for is to end up dying together.
	No matter what, it's never like foreverlasting.
	So I don't know.
	I think that's how it is.
	And it's also scary because if you give more to someone and they don't give it back, that hurts a lot.
	I think honestly that's the most beautiful part about love because true love doesn't really care whether you're loved back.
	It hurts if you're not loved back, but you're still going to love that person or yourself or whatever.
	But I think that love in general is just a deep understanding and acceptance of a human being.
	Yeah, the Greeks had four words for love.
	English has screwed this up.
	So in Greek, the first word would be phileo, which is the brotherly love, the city of brotherly love, Philadelphia, right?
	So we all know that what that's like to love a sibling, right?
	But that's a completely different type of love than storge in Greek, which is to love a child, which is my wish for all of you.
	It's a great thing, as I said.
	Also, there is eros, which some of you may have had before, which is erotic.
	We get the English word erotic from.
	But then there's this.
	He looked at me.
	Did you look at her?
	I did kind of glance right in her direction right as you said that.
	So, and then the last is agape, which I'm a Christian.
	We believe that's the highest form of love, which you guys mentioned sort of, which is you would give your life for that person.
	And that's a very hard thing, right?
	I would give my life for my wife in a second and for my child.
	And I guess my question is, and anyone can chime in, through the current hookup culture only fans, is it more or less likely to get towards that ideal self-sacrificing type of love?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Personally.
	I was just going to say personally, I think that a lot of people today are so wrapped up and stuck because they don't know how to love themselves.
	And that causes, you know, a lot of stuff to happen and it can cloud your mind from really being able to, what's the word I'm looking for?
	Pursue and look for a connection with another person.
	And also with like social media and like dating apps and stuff now, like people are so used to like having options and just like literally just having like whoever they really want to.
	So it's like a lot harder for people to be like, I guess more serious because once.
	Go ahead, keep going, keep going.
	Because I don't know, like for a lot of people that are into like hookup culture and stuff, like, I don't know, I just feel like there's a lot of options and people don't take it serious because there's so many people to choose from.
	And like if they don't like one thing about you, they're like, oh, okay, I'll just find someone else then.
	Like, I don't know, it's kind of.
	Yeah.
	But I think that goes in terms of like anybody, not just OniFans people.
	Yeah.
	OniFans obviously does get in the way of someone wanting to take you serious.
	But I've actually noticed OniFans has got a lot more guys in my DMs.
	So when I post booty pic, everyone is loving me.
	Well, do they love you or do they lust you?
	Well, it's yeah, probably more lovely.
	It's still something.
	To feed my attention ego.
	If you could find a stable soulmate, would you quit that line of work?
	If you were totally financially supported?
	Similar to the question of Molly.
	I mean, anything to make me stay in bed all day.
	Yeah, but in terms of a soulmate, I don't know.
	Like, I'd rather myself be my own soulmate.
	Like, I was raised by an independent mother.
	I haven't really seen much of a, like, kind of, I guess, a relationship.
	But I also feel like you don't really need it.
	My mom has done everything for herself and for me.
	And so I don't know.
	I just, I feel like menopause as well.
	I'm going to get sick of them.
	And I'll be in a marriage that I will regret.
	Sick of who?
	If I get married.
	So if I get a darling.
	You guys have such a dark view of marriage.
	It's a beautiful thing, everybody.
	It's this exciting.
	Have you had to marry me?
	It's amazing.
	No, trust me, part of the problem is the culture is so dark and terrible.
	It is.
	I will be perfect.
	It's very hard.
	Marriage is very difficult.
	It's the hardest thing I've ever done.
	And raising kids is even harder than that.
	And I've done some difficult stuff.
	But it's by far the most fulfilling.
	Charlie, do you think people should wait until marriage to have sex?
	Ideally, of course, yes.
	But I'm not here to judge people.
	I mean, I'm not here to say that you're a bad person or whatever.
	Sorry, can I just ask?
	Yes, sure.
	Did you wait till marriage over here?
	That was the greatest decision of my life.
	I would not be able to imagine you wait until marriage and you find it the other way.
	I had other reasons.
	I would hate that.
	I would be so happy.
	Well, there's more important things.
	I think more important things.
	Well, you can't leave it up to the marriage day, man.
	Sexuality.
	But let's play the other side of it.
	Imagine going into the bedroom on your marriage night and knowing that you both have each other for the first time.
	You never had to share that human being.
	Yeah, true.
	But then again, I lost my kids to a virgin as well.
	Or imagine if they were really experienced and they were an awesome lay and you guys also had a connection.
	That would also be really fun.
	Or if they're a man, they might be thinking about other women for the rest of your relationship.
	I don't think men stop thinking about other women just because they get married.
	I really doubt that.
	We'll do that no matter what.
	No, men's minds are rather undisciplined.
	You are right.
	That is true.
	But they don't have other experiences or pair bonds, especially for young women, which pair bonds are a real thing to compare that to.
	But look, I will go back to what I said.
	Sex is a very powerful thing.
	We all agreed with that, right?
	And I think you have to do it.
	It's a tool, one might even say.
	It can be used.
	It could be abused, it could be, but in its ideal, which I fully acknowledge, it's very, very hard to do.
	Very hard, very hard, very difficult.
	But should be a goal that I would like to see more people at least talk about in a non-judgmental way that is worth aspiring to.
	And it's not impossible.
	It's not impossible.
	It's not popular, but it's not impossible.
	Okay.
	Did you have a response, Erin, or I thought someone over here had a...
	I don't think so.
	I feel like I had something to say about that.
	Oh, did you have, yeah, sorry, did you have more?
	If you could wipe the slate, I know this is hypothetical, if that's okay.
	Well, I remember what I was going to say, you were saying that, like, oh, if you only have one partner, you're not going to think about other people.
	But I actually feel like that might make you wonder even more.
	Yeah.
	You'll be seeing all these girls online.
	You'll be watching porn.
	You'll be thinking about all these other things.
	And it's like, all you have is one person.
	And like, I don't know.
	I feel like that would kind of open up a lot of curiosity.
	Yeah, that would drive me crazy.
	I would like always be wondering what I was missing and like, did I miss out on something good because I was holding out for something that maybe turned out not to be what I thought it was.
	Yeah, looking around, I can't say that I think I'm missing much, to be honest.
	Not around this table.
	I'm just saying.
	No, not around this table.
	I just say the country.
	Just in general, not around this table.
	I just.
	What am I missing?
	You know, I have a...
	And by the way...
	Is he missing anything?
	Yeah, what?
	Is he missing?
	I mean, if you're saying that she's like the one that's on the way in, what's he doing?
	No, I miss that person.
	Not every day is amazing.
	Well, obviously.
	I don't think you're missing out on some good threesomes.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	If that is the compelling argument.
	Grom!
	I don't know why that's not working.
	Our audience.
	Look, everything in life is a choice.
	I get to have a soulmate that I get to go on adventure with and a beautiful daughter, and you get to have orgies.
	You can still have a soulmate and a beautiful family and do porn.
	So, Molly, I don't think you're right.
	And if it works for you, then you will definitely defy the odds.
	No, I think it does work.
	I think it can be proven that you can.
	I know for a fact it works.
	I have friends with kids and friends who are in relationships, getting married, and they're very prominent doing porn, fucking other people, having orgies.
	Let me tell you.
	All that jazz.
	Yeah, let me tell you a true story about a young lady who went to high school near here.
	When she started to get 15, her mom was a porn actress.
	And all the other boys would constantly tease her and bully her because they would show pictures of her naked mother.
	And it really, really hurt her.
	Do you ever wonder that for your future kids, they might have to be confronted by that or teased or ridiculed by your line of work?
	I know they will be confronted with it, but there's so many ways to answer this question.
	But honestly, for one, I don't really care because to me, the way that I look at it and the way that I'm going to raise my kids says a hell of a lot more to me about the child who is instigating negative emotions in my child because of what I do for work rather than my child minding their own business.
	Do you ever worry that you might be producing content that could be seriously damaging other people?
	No.
	Okay.
	Charlie, you were about to say a little earlier, if you could wipe the slate clean, what was the question you had there?
	If you could wipe the slate theoretically and re-virginize yourself.
	Oh, wow.
	And would you?
	Could you go back to the person you were as a virgin?
	No.
	No.
	I love who I am now.
	I feel like everything happened for a reason.
	And I don't know.
	I love who I am now.
	Would I take back the people that I did?
	Probably.
	Yeah, like you said, it made who I am.
	So, no.
	I think I would definitely do some things different.
	It's kind of ironic because this probably isn't the answer you're looking for.
	But if I was to start again, I'd probably leave my virginity for porn and do more porn things earlier on.
	But yeah, that's just me.
	But there's definitely some body cancer I do regret, just one night stands and all them lame things.
	What about the, did you regret just the they weren't worthy or?
	Yeah, just like bad time or like weird people or like, you know, you get too drunk and you get in a situation you can't really get out of and stuff like that.
	But in terms of then all the stuff I do for work, I love that because that's like an art form for me.
	So yeah.
	I want to circle back to something you said earlier where you said that Molly, Molly's children, hypothetical future children, could be confronted with like her work, right?
	And I think that that is not, I don't think there's any career path that precludes your child from potentially being confronted with what their parents say.
	Like I know that you're involved in like political work and stuff like that.
	Do you ever worry that things that you've said online or done or political actions that you've taken might be like your daughter might be confronted by them by somebody who has like somebody's kid who has an opposing point of view?
	I feel like that would like give a worry about something like that.
	Oh, she'll definitely be confronted.
	It's just it's not videos of me having sex online.
	No, but you've said like tons of controversial things, right?
	So do you expect that any of that could like have negative effects on her well-being or like how she's raised or anything like that?
	Or do you think, and I say controversial like neutrally and descriptively, like objectively, if your views are polarizing, that's going to incite conversation, debate, discussion.
	Do you ever worry about kids confronting her with these things and her not being prepared to know how to answer them or maybe feeling like bullied or embarrassed?
	Yeah, I mean that's that's a factor of being in public life for sure.
	Yeah and hopefully hopefully I build her strong up enough to be able to endure that.
	Then I bet Molly thinks probably the same thing, right?
	Like this is that sort of resiliency.
	Do you think public political commentary is morally on the same plane as filming yourself having sex?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I think people, if anything, it could sometimes be worse depending on what the person is talking about.
	I agree.
	Worse, okay.
	I think politics is definitely heavier than porn.
	You think politics does more damage than porn?
	For the actual life.
	Like the world?
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Or having sex with other men is not disrupting the world.
	Well, not just sex, but filming it in December.
	I think it's really helpful.
	It gives the men a release of their semen that they can't get girls to fuck them, so they go jerk off to meet the molly boys.
	We're helping them.
	Also, I feel like it's their choice to watch.
	So it's, you know, it's not.
	Well, I was also going to ask how kids would know that someone's mom is a porn star.
	How would they know that?
	Internet's forever.
	Yeah, but internet.
	But why?
	I mean, obviously, kids watch.
	It would be a parental failure, basically.
	Like, the parents are not monitoring their child's consumption and media good enough, and therefore they find porn.
	I was at the ionic.
	Oh, God.
	My spring collectors are like, thanks.
	Oh, my God.
	They give $200 for this.
	I got some interesting.
	I got some.
	Okay, all right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	I finished my thought.
	Okay.
	Do any of you think that a generation of young men, and having struggled with porn myself, totally acknowledge it, so no one.
	Have you jerked off to me?
	Oh my God, Molly.
	He's thinking.
	I've never heard of you before.
	That's the answer, because your wife is watching.
	That's true.
	I've never heard of you before.
	That was kind of out of pocket, Molly.
	Okay.
	So Charlie Kirk, your political commentator.
	Can I say one thing?
	Absolutely.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Molly, I have sympathy for you.
	I do.
	You're trying to cope with the suppression of your soul.
	And filming yourself having sex with other men and filming it is not the highest and best use of the talents that God gave you.
	It's not.
	That is a talent God gave me.
	Well, it's not the highest and best use, and it's not a talent, because as I said, in my belief, that should be saved in a sacred domain.
	We're not going to agree on that.
	But I hope you change course.
	I think you'll be happier and more joyful, and I pray you don't have to suffer too much to realize that.
	Well, in my belief, this is my most happy and joyful.
	So if Molly made like a huge pivot and started doing politics, would you support her political runs and bibs?
	It's not a matter of politics.
	I mean, I just want what's best for all of you here.
	And I don't think filming yourself having sex with men is the highest and best use of your talents.
	In fact, I think it personally has done a lot of damage to a lot of young men.
	And don't take my word for it.
	Look, you can read the book by Gary Wilson, Your Brain on Porn.
	It is the number one drug in America right now, and it impacts men.
	It definitely isn't healthy.
	Okay, so it's not healthy.
	So we agree.
	So let me ask a moral question.
	What do you guys think of drug dealers that push fentanyl?
	Good people are not good people.
	Probably not.
	Not good people.
	So if we agree that porn is a drug, but hold on, hold on a second.
	If porn is a drug, how is Molly not either drug dealer or a drug manufacturer?
	It's different levels of addiction.
	There's so many other drugs.
	Like weed is not fentanyl.
	We agree.
	Well, I wouldn't say weed is fine, but it is not as bad as fentanyl.
	But there's different levels of addiction.
	Do you believe porn is a drug?
	I think it's an addiction.
	A drug is a, no.
	So what does porn do to the male mind?
	I don't know.
	I'm not a male.
	Okay.
	Okay, yeah.
	It is the same biochemical release as cocaine.
	It's almost identical.
	In fact, it's even more powerful at times.
	Not to mention the damage it does to their relationships and how it has to rewire their brain.
	That goes without saying.
	But I don't really see the comparison with fentanyl and porn though, because fentanyl actually kills people and is highly addictive.
	So I know right now, currently, like porn addiction is not recognized in the DSM-5 as a legitimate addiction.
	The only behavioral-based addiction would be drug addiction, something like fentanyl or whatever.
	Every other type of addiction is something that's like that you can't, or sorry, not drug-based, gambling.
	That's what it is.
	Gambling addiction is very real, but I don't believe porn addiction is.
	I think you can have impulse control issues with porn, but that would be like any other thing that you could have difficulty controlling your consumption of.
	So, go ahead, Molly, please.
	So, my question is: I kind of have a comparison of my own, and I'll try and sum this up as fast as I can.
	But basically, when prohibition happened, you know, people said that alcohol, it was not good for you.
	It led to deaths, it led to arguments, negative things, whatever.
	Prohibition happened.
	People still found ways to have parties with alcohol, drink alcohol, speakeas existed.
	The only thing that happened was people didn't stop drinking alcohol.
	People started getting arrested and punished for it.
	And it started ruining people's livelihoods in that way instead of in a way that they have control over.
	Meaning that they can stop the addiction by getting help at any time.
	So my question is: if you think porn is so bad, like an addiction like that, what's your solution?
	Because if you're going to get rid of it, it's still going to exist.
	Well, the first solution, I mean, can you at least agree, Molly, that minors shouldn't be viewing porn?
	Of course, okay, good.
	Well, the age verification is a little bit.
	So let's talk about that.
	Utah and Texas passed laws that Pornhub sued that made it more robust.
	You had to actually provide an ID, and Pornhub didn't like that because they said it would limit their traffic.
	So would you all agree that if there was robust ID checking that would, like 18, we can at least agree we could draw the line there?
	Yeah, I feel like that's the normal age.
	Okay.
	I'm glad to hear that.
	So on the other side, though, I mean, I think we have to acknowledge that the average American male spending anywhere between 45 minutes to 90 minutes on porn websites, it varies.
	I mean, this is a new phenomenon, and I just want to reiterate it, that highly interactive, three-dimensional video that triggers dopaminergic responses in the brain is unlike anything we've encountered.
	The science is still being studied, and Gary Wilson's book is phenomenal on this, You Are Brain on Porn.
	In fact, it is the most used, let's just say product.
	We don't have to say drug, product for young men in this country.
	And I guess you would all say that, let me just ask, how many of you are thrilled with the status of American men?
	You think that they're strong and confident and they tell the truth?
	I love an American man as an Irish girl.
	Definitely.
	Okay, well then, you're the exception of the people.
	They're all Americans that are silent.
	But hold on.
	And I'm not going to say it's only because of porn because that would not be fair.
	But porn consumption does not make better men.
	No.
	You agree?
	I agree 100%.
	So that's where I'm just trying to introduce into the conversation.
	You said, what is the solution?
	So I would just say, Molly, my advice, my ask for you is for people to stop participating in it, for that's not going to happen because the money is so good.
	But we should draw the line at 18.
	There should even be, it should be very, very hard to access.
	But to your point, Molly, you're not wrong.
	People would always find it.
	But we should try to draw a line in the sand somewhere, especially with minors or have some sort of, you know, we should have some sort of acknowledgement that this is destroying parts of society.
	And I won't say it's worse than fentanyl, but in some ways it's very, very sneaky.
	A lot of married men watch pornography.
	As I said, I've had my own personal struggles with it.
	It's incredibly addictive.
	It's incredibly powerful.
	It also creates depressive effects in about half of the men that consume pornography.
	And I would just say that, you know, young ladies, it affects women differently than men.
	Men are 50 times more visual-oriented than women.
	And that's not to say that women don't consume pornography.
	They do in increasingly higher rates.
	But I think it's a social toxin right now.
	I don't think that's a money.
	Hold on, just.
	Charlie Kirkenjoya donated $200.
	Hey, Charlie, just want to say thank you for everything you do.
	You are a force for good in America.
	Great to see you on the whatever podcast.
	Question, would you ever consider running for office?
	It's so scripted.
	No, not anytime soon.
	Thank you for the $200 to.
	Wait, I have a question for you, actually, just because I don't really know who you are, but there's like a lot of people who are not.
	You're very lucky.
	I was just like, what do you do?
	Because you've mentioned politics and now that, like, what do you do?
	I run an organization called Turning Point USA.
	I'm a conservative, if you haven't figured that out.
	And a Christian, and I host a three-hour show every day in my name.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see.
	I envy you that you don't know.
	But yes, I'm sorry.
	Totally fine.
	Let's switch gears a little bit here.
	So going around the table, asking all the girls here, would you date someone who does not align with your politics?
	So if you're a liberal, would you date a conservative?
	If you're conservative, would you date a liberal?
	If you're a communist, would you date an anarcho-capitalist?
	I guess I don't know.
	So tell us what your political orientation is going around the table and if you would date somebody who differed from you politically.
	And if so, why not?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Honestly, I feel like it wouldn't be that big of a decision for me.
	I wouldn't mind.
	I feel like I'm not that strict about certain things.
	And I feel like if I want to be with him, I'll be with him and accept him for whatever it is.
	And maybe even try to, I guess.
	Well, no, we can't agree to disagree.
	I feel like on certain things, I might.
	Actually, I'm too indecisive.
	Never mind.
	Where do you fall politically?
	Undefined.
	Okay.
	Undefined?
	I'm not going to say it.
	Okay.
	Anarchy, anarchist, maybe?
	I don't know.
	Not even a hint.
	Maybe you guys can pick up randomly.
	Okay.
	That would be fun.
	Communist?
	I don't know.
	Okay, Aaron, what about you?
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'm fine dating somebody who disagrees with me politically.
	I already do.
	My boyfriend's like a liberal, you know, which is a filthy, filthy liberal, even though I'm, you know, further left than him, but I love him in spite of that.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	So if you were to put a word to how you would describe yourself politically, are you a leftist?
	Yeah, I'd say I'm on the left and I'm a little bit of a bad person.
	And your boyfriend's liberal.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	It kind of depends how I honestly on both sides, it depends how hardcore they are because a lot of like hardcore stuff like that I don't even agree with like on both sides.
	So it would kind of depend on like what they believe in or like how hardcore they are with it.
	But I think I could.
	I don't really, I mean, I'm always down to have like discussions and conversations.
	So I think I could.
	As for my like political, I don't really care.
	You don't care?
	I would say I'm like in the middle, honestly.
	Who did you vote for in the last election?
	Or did you vote?
	Most people don't vote for me.
	I regret my vote now, but we can bid an unfortunately.
	Kanye?
	You voted for Kanye?
	That would have been a better choice, honestly.
	No, I voted for Biden, unfortunately.
	And you regret that?
	I do.
	Why do you regret that?
	do you see the state of the world i mean like smart That's why I'm just in the middle.
	Do you want to share?
	I agree with stuff on both sides.
	Good for you.
	Pixie, what about you?
	I'm a progressive.
	My last date actually lasted 20 minutes because of this.
	Wait, we have the tweets.
	Nick, pull up her tweets really quick.
	I saw your tweets.
	I did the receipts.
	We have the receipts, Nick.
	Go ahead.
	How much money is in your guy's banking account?
	What was that?
	No, we had like a YouTube video randomly start playing Nick.
	Make it swirl bigger, swirl bigger, Nick.
	Make it here.
	Okay, I'm convinced I have to move from Miami just so I can actually find someone to date next.
	Today, my date lasted a total of 20 minutes because he found I was progressive and then he was conservative next.
	At least there was a mutual decision on both parts to rather figure out long-term incompatibility quickly than waste each other's time.
	So on that date of yours where you were out on a date with a conservative man, who, like, was it kind of, you said it was a mutual thing, but was it more so you who had an issue with it?
	Was it him?
	Or it was mutual?
	It was pretty darn mutual.
	Like, what happened was we were in the car.
	We were going to go to a bar and he asked me what I did for work.
	So then I started talking about it.
	And he was like, would it bother you if I'm a hardcore conservative?
	And then I was like, I was like, well, what do you mean by that?
	Because some people are like, I'm a hardcore conservative.
	And what they mean is like a smaller government and less taxes, which is, you know, something I can like deal with.
	And then some people are like, oh, you know, like Nick Fuentes style.
	Like, you know, like, so I asked him, and he actually, he actually said he was a huge fan of yours, which is like fine.
	That's a deal killer.
	Oh, Charlie.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	But no.
	If it was you, you'd be a fan of that.
	No, no, no.
	But, and he was saying, like, oh, you know, I just like, I'm really.
	Did he actually say that?
	Yeah.
	I like this.
	Huge fan.
	But he was like, I'm just like really hardcore conservative.
	And I was like, well, honestly, at this point, I feel like I would make you more upset than you make me upset.
	Do you think so?
	Yeah.
	It seems to me that typically it's liberals who are not prepared to be friends with conservatives versus the reverse.
	I actually think they've done studies on this.
	It's conservatives typically, from what I've seen, tend to, while they disagree ideologically, liberals just will outright hate somebody who's conservative and think they're like evil.
	I think no, I don't like that.
	I want to get to be friends with them so I can convert them into my leftist ideology.
	How am I supposed to convert them?
	Yeah, I come from a conservative family.
	I have a lot of close friends that are conservative.
	So to me, that's like, I'm not new to disagreeing with people.
	That's just part of life for me.
	But yeah, it's just like, I'm okay dating somebody who believes in like some different things than me.
	It just depends on what extent.
	Like, for example, if I want to have children in the future, and if my child, let's say, comes out as gay and my partner's like, we have to send them to conversion therapy.
	To me, that's like a hard line.
	To me, that's like, no, like I couldn't put my child through.
	We can maybe come back to that specific thing.
	But just curious, how did you meet him?
	Oh, Hinge.
	You met him on Hinge?
	Doesn't it allow you to disclose your political leanings on?
	Yeah, I disclosed mine.
	He didn't disclose his.
	Okay.
	So why did he go on the date with this?
	Yeah, if he had such a big issue with it.
	Well, okay.
	We'll continue going around.
	And then, did you have anything in response to her, Charlie?
	No, I actually think you guys made the right choice, believe it or not.
	I think you have to have value alignment.
	I think you have to have worldview harmony and that you shouldn't date or marry people.
	I mean, you have kids, or are you going to have kids?
	Or are you going to raise them religious?
	Just the amount of daily questions that come up in a marriage is, I mean, it's 500 a day.
	And if you see the world differently, then that's a recipe for disaster.
	So I actually think you guys made the right choice.
	I think you should end up, if you want to, if you end up marrying somebody who sees the world the way you do.
	Yeah.
	It would make you a happier marriage in it.
	What if it was just one issue?
	Like if I'm assuming that you're anti-choice, right?
	Or pro-life?
	Yeah, pro-life.
	Okay, so if your wife is not pro-life, but everything else, you guys agree, would that be a deal breaker for you?
	That one would be a deal breaker, yeah, because that's not like taxes, right?
	That's not like, hey, you know, I believe in a 35% tax rate and I believe in a 20% tax rate.
	It's like philosophical variants.
	That's correct.
	Ryan, I actually have a tweet up that might relate to this conversation.
	What do you mean?
	You want to see the tweet?
	Is it End Wokeness?
	It's about how women are becoming dramatically more left-wing.
	Dramatic.
	Sure, we can take a quick look at it.
	I think I saw this.
	Young women are becoming dramatically left-wing, young men are becoming more right-wing.
	This is happening on different continents.
	There's South Korea, U.S., Germany, UK.
	Scroll down just a tad so we can see the UK here.
	Okay.
	So I'm curious why, and I'd love to, I mean this like non-sarcastically, I'd love to learn why do you think that trend is?
	I think it's because one side.
	Wait, okay, so left is a huge politician.
	That's all right.
	So young women are getting more in like the Joe Biden direction of the Democrat Party progressive.
	And young men are coming more, you could say, in the Trump conservative direction.
	I think it's more of that reason because obviously the Biden side or whatever you want to say, that side has more of like women's rights and stuff.
	So obviously like, well, not right now, but like just in general, like that, the ideas of like that side have more like pro-women things and the other side really doesn't.
	So I think that's why.
	I'm going to ask my young progressive organizer.
	Why do you think?
	Because it's something that is.
	I personally don't think it's very valuable to ask people to label themselves politically, mostly because if somebody does that, what I want them to do is like write it down on a piece of paper and then crumple it up and throw it away.
	And usually just go issue by issue because I found that when you ask people what they mean by a conservative or whatever, like Pixie was saying earlier, sometimes they'll say, oh, like low taxes, small government or whatever.
	But these are very nebulous terms.
	But when you actually get into it, maybe they describe themselves as conservative, but more of the libertarian type.
	So they might be pro-choice still.
	They might actually be interested in a less interventionist foreign policy.
	And then at that point, those are some like liberal tenets to me.
	So I don't think it's very useful to even try to have people do that.
	Or you might even find some liberals that are like anti-union, for example.
	Yeah.
	Nick, what?
	We had like an audio issue for a moment, but it seems okay for now.
	Audio issue?
	Yeah, there was some echo.
	ABCH, thank you for the gift of 50 memberships.
	Hold that thought, everybody.
	Chat, one in the chat if the audio is okay.
	One in the chat if the audio is okay.
	We had an echo.
	Yep.
	It's cleared up.
	It's okay now.
	Are we able to keep talking?
	Yeah, no, they can hear us, but apparently there's some reports that we're reverb issue.
	It's happened once at the beginning of the show and once just now, no complaints.
	Is the chat, is it fine?
	We're good now.
	Okay, we're good.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I was gonna say, personally, I think there has been like a big push to radicalize young men online.
	You see this with the Tates, you see this in some other forms of media.
	So I think young men in particular have been very, what is it called?
	Specialized.
	You have like these giant propaganda centers and networks focusing on trying to radicalize them in a way that they haven't necessarily put the equal focus on women.
	So I do think that there's been a lot of online radicalization going on.
	I also think, personally, I'm a feminist, but I think there has, like, feminism has kind of left men behind and kind of has not given them the answers that a lot of them are necessarily seeking.
	So then they turn into these more of what I would call toxic figures instead for guidance.
	So that's my answer when it comes to, like, this increased, like, radicalization.
	What could conservatives do better to reach young women?
	What could conservatives do?
	I mean, it's not a trap question.
	I'm honestly curious.
	I kind of don't want to give you that, but I'll give you the answer.
	Well, it's a secret restriction.
	No, I'm going to give you a bit of a diversity.
	You're going to give it in front of 5 million people.
	No, but I think a lot of conservatives really villainize young women and the choices that they take.
	You see this, not in this particular podcast necessarily, but there's some that are more extreme than this that really focus on shaming women or putting some basically cultural hypocrisy, like saying it's okay for men to be promiscuous while women aren't.
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	Thank you, Gridman.
	I would not say young men have been radicalized.
	I would say that young men are being reminded they are men and not women, and that real men value women because we are not equal.
	Yo, thank you, Gridman.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead, Pixie.
	And if you can, make your point quickly, because I do want to bring in everybody else so they can answer the original question.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, but long story short, I think trying to not be hypocritical about how we treat men and women and not necessarily shaming women for their past or how they currently are is probably a better way to reach to them, in my humble opinion.
	Okay.
	Okay, so honestly, I'm not too educated on politics that I can say I'm one thing.
	Sure.
	But I do think that my views do lean more progressive.
	But again, I'm not too educated on the topic.
	But I think I could date someone.
	I have dated someone who was conservative.
	But for me, it's more there's make or breaks, like you were saying about, you know, if your wife was, you know, pro-choice and you are not, that would be something that I could be like, oh, you know, that's where I draw the line.
	Just certain things that, you know, morally, I could not be with someone who had those views.
	What about you?
	I'm not really big into politics either.
	I don't really understand it.
	All I know is that I'm pro-choice.
	I like equality.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	I do agree, though, that you're a partner, you need to have the similar mindset.
	So it might be a bit difficult if I was to be with somebody that had a very strong political opinion.
	Usually I just go for people that are quite open-minded and chill.
	But I think I could be open still because I like to learn new things when I'm with partners.
	So it could open my mind even a bit more and I could probably learn about politics then.
	Molly, what about you?
	Well, I kind of, I agree with what you said.
	I've actually, my ex-boyfriend is very prominent in politics and he's very conservative.
	And I'm not at all.
	So that was definitely like an interesting dynamic.
	But I think overall we like really like respected each other's perspective.
	And you know, I don't think that like conservatives are evil or like they have like a bad agenda.
	I just personally like I don't agree with what they would decide for me.
	And so I think that in a relationship when you're with someone that shares different values, it would be extremely hard to be married to someone for the rest of your life.
	It's doable, especially if you have that type of curiosity with the other person.
	But I for sure would want to be with someone who shares my kind of openness as well.
	Okay.
	And then Charlie, I think you kind of maybe already went over it, but I mean, do you have any thoughts on, you know, do you think it's a better idea for people when it comes to relationships or marriage to, I mean, I think I have a sense of what your answer would be, but to marry someone who shares their same political beliefs.
	Yeah, don't try to change your partner.
	That's a bad idea.
	Agree.
	Yeah, don't try to change your partner.
	Don't, yeah.
	Aaron, you said earlier, your boyfriend, you said he's, well, he's not conservative, but he's liberal and you're much further left.
	You're leftist.
	And you said you would, you know, when it comes to perhaps people, you would be friends with someone who's maybe more conservative so you can shift them more left.
	I said that's a lot of fun.
	Well, I was going to ask, have you shifted your boyfriend more left?
	Okay, so he's pretty firm in his life.
	He's firmly planted in his filthy, filthy liberalism, but I love him in spite of that.
	I see.
	Okay, got it.
	But we align on a lot of social issues.
	So if we want to create a dichotomy of social and then economic issues, I feel like the economic issues is primarily where we have disagreement.
	And the social issues, those tend to be, I feel like the most polarizing and contentious.
	So if we had more disagreement there, we probably would not be able to be in a relationship together harmoniously.
	Okay, I see.
	But friends, yeah.
	I'm open to radicalizing them, sure.
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	So who here, I'm curious, who here considers themselves a feminist?
	Maybe just show of hands.
	Are you a feminist?
	I don't.
	That's it.
	Just Aaron and Pixie?
	Molly?
	A little bit?
	Okay.
	All right.
	So Charlie, we've got some feminists here.
	What do you think of feminism?
	I want them to define the term first because there's no use in me giving thoughts on abstract concepts.
	Sure.
	What's your sense?
	How do you define feminism?
	Feminism is just simply the advocacy of equality, both social, political, economic, on the basis of all genders everywhere.
	So that's what feminism is to me.
	Do you concur?
	I concur.
	Do you concur?
	Concurred.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you want me to?
	Do you agree with their definition of feminism?
	I mean, that would probably be the most agreed upon definition.
	So I do believe in equality under the law, obviously.
	I believe in equality for representation or enfranchisement to be able to vote, obviously.
	But you said economic equality.
	That's interesting.
	Do you think that female models and male models should be paid the same by law?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Okay, so we should make female actresses and models be paid less because they earn about 20 times more than men.
	I think when you get women would get a pay cut.
	I think when it comes to creative fields like that, it's going to be very difficult to look at it on the basis of like sex or gender, how you would pay somebody, because that's going to have so many more factors And simply that.
	But if we're talking about equal economic opportunities, like for example, should a man and woman doing the exact same position at a corporate office be paid the same if they're doing the same amount of work?
	Well, it depends on what they study, depends how long they've been there.
	It depends if they're equally as good at the job.
	It depends on the same thing.
	All else being equal.
	I'm saying if all of those things are equal, can we at least agree they should be?
	That's already the law.
	So you're not allowed to discriminate based on gender, sex, based on a law passed in the 1970s.
	However, what is now being tried to be passed through other movements is to try to swoop in and say, regardless of qualifications, how often you ask for a raise.
	So I'll ask a question.
	Why do you think, for example, the average male, it looks as if they earn more than an average woman in a city?
	Is it because of sexism or other factors?
	I think sometimes implicit bias can be one factor among many, but like all the things that you mentioned earlier, different qualifications, different business acumen, skills, work output, numbers of hours work could all be things that impact pain.
	Right.
	And like studies that like focus on the gaps between men and women like do make note of these differences.
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	Charlie, do you have a response?
	No, I hear that.
	I do want to actually get back to even more of a fundamental question, and I'm sorry I didn't ask this.
	Sure.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is somebody who presents as a social conception of womanhood.
	So acts in such a way.
	So Pixie, just can you answer that question without using the word woman or womanhood?
	It's because basically it would be a functional definition.
	So as a society, we have an understanding of what woman is.
	What is that?
	That's a man.
	Yeah, that's basically.
	I am a man.
	Well then.
	Can you elaborate?
	XY chromosomes.
	Okay, but the problem with that is that I didn't check your chromosomes before coming in here and calling you a man, and you didn't check my chromosomes before coming in here or genitals and calling me a woman.
	So let me just play this out.
	So first of all, you can't give me a definition without using the word woman.
	That's a functional definition.
	Yeah, sure.
	Do you know what functional definitions are?
	I'm very well aware, and you should have a functional definition for the most important question in civilization, right?
	Well, at the point of a functional definition, functional definitions are a definition that is by the function of something.
	So like, for example, equals one.
	One is a function of one.
	Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
	I do.
	So then, can you give me an objective, a functional, utilitarian, any sort of biological definition of what a woman is?
	Because how can we debate feminism if we can't agree what a woman is?
	I don't, I would even, like, I feel like Pixie's definition absolutely satisfies the definition of what constitutes womanhood, but I would define it only slightly differently, which is that it's a person who performs a set of social roles that are typically associated with feminine characteristics, but not necessarily, because there are even cis women who fall outside of this, and we still consider them women nonetheless.
	Like Butch lesbians, for example, are women that exhibit very masculine characteristics, but nonetheless, society understands them to be women.
	I find cis to be a very offensive word, by the way.
	I don't know how you feel about the cisterns.
	I think it's hate speech, to be honest.
	I didn't mean to trigger you, Brian.
	I would have given you a trigger warning before if I had.
	Do you think anyone can become a woman?
	Yep.
	But not anyone will.
	Okay, so then at what point do they become a woman?
	It will depend on where they are in their gender transition.
	Does it require drugs to become a woman?
	No.
	Personally, I think it's a mindset.
	It's a spiritual energy.
	It's the vibe that you give off.
	The vibe.
	Before we continue on, I want to just give everyone an opportunity to answer Charlie.
	No, totally fine.
	To answer Charlie's question, I know you two had already answered.
	What is a woman?
	Starting with you, we'll go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	Can you skip me?
	We'll come back to it.
	I'm a woman.
	That's the best answer.
	That's the one that Ketanji Brown-Jackson should have given in front of the Senate.
	So come back to you?
	Yeah, come back to me.
	Come back to me.
	Let me see.
	Sure, it's okay.
	Same.
	I'm a woman.
	What is a woman?
	What about you?
	Can I have you tilt your mic down just a tap?
	Perfect.
	Go ahead.
	Right there.
	Yeah.
	I'm a woman, but I also do think that a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.
	And that's Pat.
	I mean, theoretically, it's someone who's born with a womb, but this generation obviously has proven that people, men can turn into women.
	So I'm not discluding that.
	I still think that they should be perceived as what they're portraying themselves as.
	But technically, I still think trans girls, they are a version of a man, but they can still be classed as a woman.
	Which is a bit tricky, but yeah, yeah.
	Molly?
	I'll say the same answer.
	I think what constitutes as a woman is the energy that you give off and that you want to put out into the world.
	So if being a woman or a female is a mindset, can your age also be a mindset?
	Can you choose to be, can you just say, I feel 14, which is a classifiable mental condition, by the way, of in it.
	So I will say, yes, I know people that act way younger than they actually are and they love acting way younger than they actually are.
	And I know people that, you know, like act way older than they are and they, you know, and they pride themselves in that.
	And I think.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So if a 35-year-old man claims he's 14, should we have any problem if he wants to have sex with another 14 year old?
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying that you should.
	Probably should have a problem.
	I can't.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying that you should be able to have sex.
	But I feel 14.
	Right.
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	So, come back.
	But if your identity is an energy or a feeling that can change, why would it be wrong for a 35-year-old to say he's 14?
	Because he's not.
	But then how is someone who has male parts a woman if he's not a woman?
	That's two different things.
	That's why it's a mindset, isn't it?
	Your age isn't a mindset.
	But then why is your sex or your gender a mindset and your age isn't?
	I don't know which one is which one of you could probably sex and acknowledge that sex and gender are two separate things.
	That's what I was saying.
	There are zero genders, two sexes, and infinite personalities.
	Okay.
	Gender doesn't exist.
	No, you mean sex does.
	So the parts you're born with is who you are.
	How does gender not exist?
	It's a 1960s clinical term largely made out of the academy of John Lennony and Alfred Kinsey and many postmodern child psychiatrists, many of whom, by the way, were not really great people, but we don't have to go into that.
	But gender is a new term of the last 50 or 60 years.
	Yeah, but it still exists.
	But personalities exist.
	We can agree with that.
	Proclivities or interests or likes exist.
	So if you had that definition, then if you're a woman or a man, is your energy.
	It is your personality.
	Well, yeah, the goal, or what used to be the case, is the vast, vast, vast majority, 99.9% of all people, their biology and their reality, or how they viewed their reality, I should say, were in alignment.
	And now that's not so much the case.
	So people are, first of all, there's many elements to this.
	People are told that they can become something they can't.
	So they go on a very, very damaging, self-destructive pattern of medical interventions that even if you're pro-trans, you have to acknowledge that hysterectomy at age 17 is not exactly an easy surgery.
	I don't think anyone at 17 should be altering their body.
	No, I agree.
	It's just it's happening right now at a rat.
	Thousands of young kids across the country are getting what is called gender-affirming care, gender-affirming care, but it's irreversible.
	There are surgeries.
	Both.
	So puberty blockers and hormone blockers.
	Thousands of kids that are getting hysterectomies across the United States.
	No, thousands of kids are getting puberty blockers or hormone blockers or puberty blockers.
	Probably even more 100,000.
	You could stop you.
	And as far as breast reduction surgery or hysterectomies, we don't know the number, but I'll even say it's probably only a couple dozen.
	It's probably, you're right.
	It's probably not thousands.
	We don't know the exact numbers, but an estimate is anywhere between 10,000 to 15,000 minors and is growing are currently receiving monthly doses of hormone replacement theory, estrogenic therapy.
	Yeah, but you can stop those and be like...
	Well, that's the question, right?
	There's a lot of detransitioners that are speaking out that are not able to rest.
	You know, puberty is not an assembly line that you could just push a button and restart.
	That is an increasingly disproven scientific theory right now.
	Chloe Cole is one of the most famous D-transitioners who she's in her 20s and she was sold the Bill of Goods.
	And when she was 16, she said, I think I'm a man.
	And she went on a very, very aggressive regimen of hormone blockers and puberty blockers.
	And she has huge regret.
	And hopefully one day she'll be able to have, you know, have children again.
	But it gets back to a question of can, so I'm just making a point though that these ideas have consequences.
	It's more than just a silly question.
	Oh, what is a woman?
	That if you can't answer it, or at the very least say that you should allow minors to become adults before they make these decisions, then, and this is not a small thing, the quote-unquote gender-affirming care, we know that in California you have to be 18 years old to get a tattoo.
	And yet 14-year-olds can go to what we call a doctor and get a highly aggressive hormone replacement therapy treatment, sometimes without even notifying their parent.
	And all of these are ramifications of the inability to answer very simple biological questions.
	I would be interested in seeing your exact study or citation for when it comes to puberty blockers, because I know a lot of people, or not a lot of people, there's a lot of people who end up on puberty blockers, not because they're necessarily trans, but because they're going through puberty too early.
	And there are clear negative side effects and consequences of, let's say, a 10-year-old girl getting her birthday.
	That's a separate, you're right.
	Yeah, but it's used on cis children.
	I think what you're talking about is precocious puberty.
	But it's not used on perfectly healthy physically abled-bodied children, right?
	So there's a great book that I'll, I guess we have to do it.
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	All right.
	Milesticama could see what's going on.
	I'll just reference one book, and she's a non-political doctor.
	Her name is Dr. Miriam Grossman.
	It's a book called Lost in Transnation.
	She has treated, not just theorized.
	She's a clinician and a physician, not just someone who writes abstract medical journals.
	And she is one of the most outspoken people against what is called gender-affirming care.
	And she's treating hundreds of kids that are now in the middle of the past.
	So I know detransitioners exist, but what do you say to the thousands of trans people that actually report happiness and being healthy after they receive gender-affirming care?
	Don't doubt that in the short term, testosterone therapy from someone who has a fair amount of testosterone, it can make you feel confident.
	It can make you feel better in your skin.
	That is not a lasting effect, though.
	It's a good thing.
	It is for some people.
	Well, the suicide rate, I can't say that word.
	Sorry, the self-harm rate after eight to ten years actually goes up.
	It nearly doubles.
	And we're still studying it.
	That's the other point: is that I'm not going to throw around a lot of studies here.
	And they very well might be right.
	It might have helped them individually.
	But let me give you an example.
	If a medication is on the market and it harms one in 250,000 people, for example, robotuscin.
	You guys ever take robotuscin?
	No.
	No, it's a cough thing.
	They found that one of their lots of robotuscin last week might have been contaminated and they did a massive recall, right?
	And it was just a whisper of it, okay?
	The point that is in medicine, the first rule used to be first do no harm.
	That still is, right?
	No, they've changed it.
	The Hippocratic Oath.
	They've changed it, yeah.
	They have.
	Who's they?
	The American Medical Association and a lot of the medical institutions.
	It's similar, but it's.
	I've seen by like woke ideology.
	Well, you'd be surprised, actually.
	The medical industry has been taken over by a lot of radicals.
	All doctors are woke now.
	Well, for example, I mean, when they were giving monoclonal antibodies in the city of New York, they were prioritizing people based on the color of their skin.
	Black individuals in New York got monoclonal antibodies above their white counterparts.
	Was it based on the color of their skin or like maybe their background related to like their socioeconomic status?
	It was racial.
	But I don't want to get too deep into that rabbit hole.
	But the point that I'm just trying to make is that in medicine in particular, you must have a cautious approach, even if there were pluses and positives, which might very well be true.
	If there's even a 1%, a 2% adverse event, you pull the drug immediately because you first do no harm.
	If there's something that is actively damaging a society, and it's now a certifiable fact that we see thousands of young kids are being told that they can transition, when in reality, they have other underlying issues that we should address.
	Depression, trauma, anxiety, or they're on the autism spectrum disorder, and they get mislabeled on whether a TikTok video or some sort of other thing makes them feel as if they might have a transgender issue when they very well might have other issues that need to be addressed.
	One in 27 men are auto young boys are autistic.
	Anyway, sorry, I don't mean to talk about that.
	No, no, totally fine.
	I just had a quick question for you two since you guys had pretty strong positions on this.
	Can men get pregnant?
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	If we want to talk numbers, then honesty requires we first admit that gender dysphoria is a mental condition which should be treated first before any physical treatments are given.
	Accuracy matters.
	All right, Grid 1 Motorsports.
	They no longer call it gender dysphoria, unfortunately.
	I just want to actually make an argument for you.
	They don't even call it a medical condition.
	They call it, I actually don't even know what it's actually called.
	Gender dysphoria used to be the clinical term.
	But they've changed it since.
	Yeah, that's right.
	But I can go deeper into that.
	The old way we used to treat this is called watchful waiting, where we believed that puberty was the solution, not the problem.
	And almost every single case, and Europe was actually the pioneer of this, is that when you allow puberty to play its course, these individuals, they might end up being lesbian or gay, but not transgender.
	And that's a completely different thing that doesn't require hormones or eventually antidepressants on top of it.
	I'm sorry, Pixie, you were going to say something.
	Yeah, my question was: can men get pregnant?
	Two things.
	I would say if you're a biological male, if we're going to define male biology or whatever, then no.
	I do want to push back on some things that I heard earlier.
	Well, before you do that, go ahead.
	Erin, do you have an answer to that?
	I would say yes, because anybody who has a uterus has the capacity to give birth.
	So, for example, a trans guy who gets pregnant, yes, would be a man who is pregnant.
	But if you're talking about a man who is assigned man at birth and does not have a uterus, then no, he doesn't have the ability to get pregnant.
	You look at me like I'm crazy or what?
	Do you disagree?
	But a lot of women are.
	So do you want to know why young men are going away from the left?
	That's why young men are leaving the left.
	Why are they wanting to get left?
	Because what you just said is Because they're uncomfortable acknowledging reality What you mean?
	That some trans men can get pregnant.
	What you just said is at war with reality and massacre.
	I mean, a lot of women can't get pregnant either.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's just a question.
	It is just a question, you know.
	I'll let you come in in just a sec, Pixie.
	Which one of you referenced chromosomes?
	Well, you said, like, oh, you didn't check our chromosomes, right?
	Well, people understood what a woman was before chromosomes were discovered.
	So the definition does not require this type of abstraction.
	People understood what a woman was on the basis of the societal norms at the time, generally speaking, right?
	Well, it's more precisely, it's about like the gonads.
	If you were at any point in your life going to produce large gametes, then you're a woman.
	They, how society, at least most societies as well, outside of like Western as well.
	But even Western, we can make this argument.
	What they would look at is the way that a person is like necessarily performing.
	So what is their role?
	That's why you have the idea of non-binary, third gender, et cetera, et cetera, because there have been people also who have not performed their role as a male or female.
	So they're put into the third category, third sex, whatever.
	So I would argue that for the vast majority of human histories and societies, what they look at is what is your performance.
	And that maps on to what we do now because we don't really look at biology.
	We look at how people act.
	And that's why, let me finish.
	Go ahead.
	That's why we also, the terms less manly, he's less of a man than him, or she's not that womanly, make sense.
	If gender was truly a binary, those words would make no sense.
	It would be like cat and not cat.
	That doesn't, you can't have an in-between, really.
	And the same thing applies for gender.
	There is a spectrum there.
	That's why the words less womanly, more womanly, more manly, less manly, make sense to us.
	And all of those things are fluid throughout time.
	Like what constituted like masculine tendencies or behaviors will be different now than it was several years ago.
	Or even like things like colors.
	Like for example, pink used to be considered a masculine color.
	Pink is no longer really considered a masculine color.
	It's considered a feminine color.
	So there was never anything inherently masculine about the color blue or the color pink or anything like that.
	That could always change at any given point in time.
	Do you think that male brains and female brains or men and women brains are different?
	Wired differently?
	There are differences between male and female brains, but I believe it's a matter of like statistical averages of like gray matter.
	There's not going to be like distinct anatomical features that differentiate a female brain from a male brain.
	Really?
	Yeah, no problem.
	Do you really think that?
	Well, no, it's proven, like scientifically.
	Yes, it is.
	When we take a brain scan of a male and female, the average doctor can't look and be like, that is a male brain right there.
	That's not true.
	No, hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	If you do a spect scan, okay, if you do a spec scan, you can see what parts of the brain light up.
	And in a woman, the basal ganglia and the amygdala is far more active, which is the inner thought matrix.
	Women have a far busier inner thought life than men do.
	Would you guys agree with that?
	Right.
	I was going to say it's very well.
	So that's not true.
	It's very well known.
	Men generally are more on the logical side of things and women are more on the emotional side of things.
	And I think that has a big role, or the way that our brains are wired has a big role to play.
	I'm not saying that if you took babies who were completely unmolded, that their brains would look different.
	But I think as we age, living in the gender that we are given, our brains become attuned to certain things.
	And that's why parts of our brain.
	Yeah, like piggybacking off of that point, I don't doubt that the studies that you looked at did find differences in brain mapping scans between men and women, but the key thing is that they looked at men and women.
	So that's already a brain that's been subjected to a lifetime, or not a lifetime, but like decades-long socialization.
	So that socialization is going to impact it.
	If you looked at a brain scan of infants, for example, like a male infant and a female infant, it would be like, how different would it really look?
	Do you think it would look significantly different?
	No, it's not even close.
	Of course it's different.
	And I can prove it to you in two ways.
	But the first one, do you guys know the John Money gender experiment?
	So, okay, really quick.
	John Money, who is a total creep, he believed that this is before we mapped the human genome.
	Okay, this is before we even knew about chromosomes.
	He said that men and women are blank slates at birth, and he said that they're formed through the toys we give them, the colors we appropriate to them, and they're blank slates.
	He then, there were these identical twins.
	One of the twins burns themselves terribly in the genitals, and he said, raise that twin as a girl.
	And basically, his entire life he was tortured and an awful, awful story.
	Eventually rebelled against John Money.
	And this twin eventually was told that, hey, you were born a boy, but raised as a girl and even had a vagina put onto you artificially.
	And he was like, instead of being mad, he was relieved because he said, I knew I was a boy all along.
	So there's no clinical evidence to support that.
	Secondly, though, it's a funnier one, okay?
	Do you hear me out?
	And I think this will resonate with all of you.
	Harvard University locked a group of men in a room alone, 100 of them, and a group of women in a room alone, okay?
	And they said, what did you think about for 30 minutes?
	The men, no surprise, sex and sports.
	The young ladies, what did they think of for 30 minutes?
	They replayed conversations that they had in the last couple of days.
	For the record, a man has never replayed conversations that they've had.
	Do you really do that?
	Our brains.
	Our brains are different, everybody.
	Do you really not do that?
	I like our overthrow.
	No, of course not.
	You don't think about conversations.
	I mean, you've never had like a shower argument or like shower thoughts or anything like that.
	No, that's not society, my friend.
	That is biology.
	You are wired to have those rethoughts.
	We aren't.
	It's not a learned behavior.
	It's not about dolls.
	It's not about dresses.
	Our biology, our brains are made differently.
	I don't think anyone's disputing that we have like different people.
	We don't replay any conversations.
	You've never done that.
	Am I trans?
	Because sometimes I will.
	I've got to go on half of it.
	Very rarely, though.
	Very rarely, sometimes occasionally.
	Men are very forward-thinking.
	What is next?
	The job, the interview, tomorrow.
	And not saying women aren't.
	Women are very reflective.
	That's why females are better at poetry.
	Women are better at the more relational type aspects of being a nurse or an elementary school teacher.
	Again, that's not learned behavior.
	There is a biological element to it.
	And it starts with, we don't even understand the brain as much as we can.
	We understand like 1% of 1% of it.
	But I think that study, and your reaction affirms it, because if I had a group of men around you, what do you think of when you're alone?
	Like, I just think of the NFC championship game, the stock market, and all the women I've been with are the women I want to be with.
	It's a little different.
	Do you think if they had conducted this study in a different country that the men and women would have given these same answers?
	Yes, I think that these things are universal.
	And I mean, I can't say to that, that would be my speculation, that the men in Iran are thinking about soccer and Persian women, and the women are thinking about, you know, what's going on in their local neighborhood.
	These things transcend continent, they transcend culture.
	And we know that because one of the arguments that you were making is that, well, you know, at the fundamental root, these are learned and active, you know, these are put on by Western society.
	But you go into African villages, like very poor third world African villages, they don't even have a term for transgender.
	The idea that a man can become a woman or a woman can become man, this is a uniquely Western phenomenon that is born out of the academy, born out of college, that I will say, and I think we could agree, is largely, they prey on people that have other underlying issues, and then it gets built on top of that.
	Autism spectrum disorder, depression, anxiety, some other sort of bipolar schizophrenia, trauma, things of that nature.
	There's a couple of things to push back here.
	Brian.
	If you can, quick.
	I don't think monopolized.
	I'm sorry, Peter.
	No, it's okay.
	There's a couple of things.
	I do want to push back on that because there are communities and cultures that we could search up right now in China, India, various Native American histories that have recognized the idea of third gender or outside gender.
	That doesn't fit into this binary.
	So I wouldn't say it's just Western.
	And then on top of that.
	Let me answer.
	No, but no, no, please continue.
	You are right.
	I can address that at length.
	I don't think it's fruitful.
	Keep going.
	You're not wrong.
	And then on top of that, you gave a case study.
	I kind of want to give a case study back.
	NPR did an article on this.
	I can't remember the name.
	But basically, it was about a person who felt gender fluid.
	And when they felt like they were a man and they did things like spatial recognition or other tests regarding that, they would score like a man does, like higher than most women.
	But when they got into the mindset of being a woman, they would score higher in woman-related tasks.
	So yeah, it does come back.
	You're saying like this is all predisposed biology, biology, biology.
	But there might be something to be said about, like, oh no, if you're thinking like a man, the mindset of a man, maybe that's more in tune with certain ways of thinking versus thinking like a woman.
	That doesn't mean it's all 100% biological basis.
	It means that, like, hey, if you're raised to think in a certain pattern, you're going to perform in that pattern.
	I agree.
	I mean, if a society, a society can mold you, of course, but you're dealing with very powerful raw material that's underestimated in the current cultural conversation.
	And you can only guide that raw material so much.
	So let me ask another hypothetical.
	I'll just tell you, if I sit down with men, what do they always talk about?
	They talk about macro concepts, big things, stock markets, sports, you know, things that are very, you know, like, let's just say bigger than individual.
	Women, if you sit down, they'll talk a lot about conversations or relationships.
	They're kids, very micro.
	This, you know, one of the reasons why men and women's brains are different and they continue to be different is there's different skill sets.
	And I think we can all acknowledge that.
	Like men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men.
	I don't know why that is wildly common.
	I think the way that you frame it is like, oh, women are awesome at like small talk and like sewing or whatever, and then men are just awesome at like the stock market and being so young.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I don't think these are.
	But hold on.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Why is it that the International Chess Foundation doesn't want biological men who believe they are women to compete with women?
	They say that will not allow trans men into the female category.
	Why is that?
	I can't speak to that, but I'm just if you're going to talk about like representation being the thing that lets you know that oh men are obviously smarter, you could break this down to race.
	I never said smarter.
	I never said smarter.
	I said different.
	Then different.
	Okay, then we could say this.
	My wife does things with my child that I can't even dream of doing, such as having an intuition, compassion, empathy.
	She can operate on 30 minutes of sleep.
	I need eight hours or else I'm like a double.
	You underestimate yourself, Charlie.
	I think you've done it.
	No, hold on.
	No, women have a different giftedness, I believe, given by God, that is completely different than men.
	I never said smarter.
	In fact, a woman's intuition is far better than my intuition.
	I trust my wife's gut when it comes to people, when it comes to relationships.
	And she leans on me for investments or politics.
	We are given different gifting.
	Now, with that being said, some women have a gifting in that direction.
	Those are the exception, though.
	There is a general rule, and the general rule is that women are far more gifted at people and caretaking and the intimate.
	I don't mean that demeaning or derogatory.
	I never use the word smarter or dumber that you might be inferred.
	Oh, thank you, Molly.
	No, I actually very much agree with what you're saying.
	Me, personally, I mean, sexuality is a big part of my life, and I think what you're saying actually really ties into a lot of, like, sexuality, because it's the man's role to be, you know, kind of like the, I mean, if you're talking like the nuclear family, you know, it's like the man's role to kind of be the governing force of the family, take care of everything on the outside, take care of, you know, the finances, the stocks, all of that, and to kind of be the rock for all of the little things that the woman has to do.
	to go through during the day.
	Just all the little conversations, all the things that she has to deal with that you're not there.
	And I think that, you know, it's a really beautiful thing, like yin and yang, you know, like there's beautiful parts of men that complement women, and there's parts of women that complement men.
	And the best thing is, is there's things that women can do that men cannot, and there's things that men can do that women cannot.
	And I think that the issue is we try and figure out like who's better, who's more powerful, who can, you know, who gets to say what happens.
	And I think that that's really dividing.
	And the beauty comes when you kind of bring those skills together.
	That's wonderfully said, Molly.
	That was beautiful, Molly.
	Let me switch to something really quick.
	We do have two chats we have to read, then we'll come back to this topic.
	We have Doc here.
	M. Scott Peck defined love as the act of promoting one's spiritual growth.
	The emotion of love is experienced when we act accordingly.
	Most of this panel confuses love with eros.
	Sad.
	Hey, Doc, thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate your support.
	Thank you.
	Good to see you back in the chat.
	We have Charlie Kirk Fan.
	May I ask the panel, do you think the long-term benefits of commitment and monogamy outweigh the short-term dopamine hits that come with less committed, less loyal, damaging relationships/slash hookups?
	We can go around the panel really quick on that.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Could you explain a little bit more?
	Give me a little bit of a question.
	Can I tell them about dopamine?
	Sure.
	So dopamine is called a neurotransmitter.
	It goes super fast, like a million miles an hour, not that fast, but like almost.
	Yeah, there you go.
	It is the reward molecule.
	So dopamine comes out when you have certain things, a rewarding, it's forward-looking, right?
	So you actually don't get a dopamine release when you hit the climax.
	That's serotonin or oxytocin.
	It is in anticipation.
	So you're hungry, you're going for a good meal, or you're going to the next porn video, or whatever it might be.
	So the dopamine hits are addictive.
	So whatever gives you dopamine, you want more of.
	And your brain is really dopamine dumb.
	So it doesn't know when it's had too much.
	But we've learned in the dopamine science.
	I'm sorry to monopolize on this, but there's a great book by a woman by the name of Dr. Anna Lemke, who did the best book on dopamine.
	It's called Dopamine Nation.
	Is that for every interval you go up of dopamine, you must go down.
	That's why when people go really deep into dopamine, they end up getting into depression in the days or the weeks that follow.
	So you go to a rock concert, you're so overwhelmed, you might do some drugs, cocaine spokes, spikes dopamine, alcohol spikes dopamine, sex spikes, dopamine.
	Your brain then has to interval back.
	So that's four days.
	You're like, I feel so low.
	Something wrong with you.
	And so that's one of my arguments against pornography is that without you know it, you're actually lowering your dopamine interval.
	So I hope that's helpful.
	Thank you.
	It is.
	Can you repeat the question one more time with the actual yeah it's about do you think the dope do you think the dopamine hits are worth it?
	The long-term benefits of commitment and monogamy, do they outweigh the short-term dopamine hits that come with less committed, less loyal, damaging relationships slash hookups?
	For example, it might be very exciting if you're jumping from one casual hookup to the next, but does that excitement outweigh the long-term benefits of commitment, long-term relationships, monogamy, et cetera?
	For me personally, for me, I value, like I want a long-term commitment.
	I want a loyal, loyal relationship.
	And I don't really do like the hookup culture.
	I only have sex with whoever I'm with, whoever I'm dating.
	I feel like everybody's entitled to their own opinion as well, too.
	But for me personally, I feel like it's not worth it.
	And I rather, how do I put this into words?
	I'm sorry, I'm struggling with my thoughts a little bit.
	But that's my opinion on it.
	Me personally, I enjoy that stability, but those are my personal preferences that I'm not really interested in imposing upon other people.
	So I think it really comes down to if hookups are the thing that make you happy or whatever, I don't see anything wrong with going that way.
	I think I'm confused with the question.
	That was me too.
	That was a little confusing.
	Yeah, I'm not into hookup culture, so.
	Okay.
	I also am not into hookup culture, but I personally think that, you know, to each their own, you know, if that's, again, what makes you happy.
	But I think kind of being single for a year and going on dates, I wasn't in hookup culture necessarily, but I was going on dates with multiple people.
	It is, it can be a little depressing, for sure.
	When you say you're going on dates with multiple people, what was the, in an average week, how many dates were you going on?
	I wasn't too like date, date, date.
	It was, you know, I was on Hinge.
	I was on Tinder.
	I would maybe have a date with one or two people a week.
	Sometimes for a few weeks, I wouldn't have any dates.
	But yeah, it would be kind of depressing.
	You could, you know, go on a date with someone multiple times and then it doesn't work out.
	And then, you know.
	But I do think long, I do want something like long term because I don't think personally that that is good for me because of the person that I am.
	Sure.
	What about you, Tina?
	Long-term commitment kind of feels like prison to me.
	So I'm just chilling doing what I want to do.
	I'm not a big fan of hookup culture, but obviously I do do it for filming.
	So that kind of gives me what I need.
	But then I'm chilling.
	Nick Schmecksy donated $200.
	Hey, Brian and Charlie.
	Thanks, Nick.
	Will you guys post the stream after?
	I haven't been paying attention because I'm whacking off to Angel and Sophia.
	Welcome to the Whatever podcast where we should probably moderate these.
	Appreciate it, Nick.
	I do have a, I mean, you all deserve better men than what America's producing.
	You really do.
	I mean, subscribe.
	You deserve better men than what this culture is producing.
	Okay.
	Well, Tina, coming back to you really quick, I mean, in some of your pre-show notes here that you provided, you said, for example, that you guess you always end up sleeping through friend groups.
	Hot take could be that you're all for open, non-traditional relationships.
	You said at one time you left a guy asleep in your hotel room to go hook up with three other guys.
	Girl boss.
	There's more there.
	I can read more.
	You also said commitment to one person is difficult for you.
	I suppose it's good that you're at least self-aware.
	Do you care to elaborate a bit on that?
	On which part?
	I don't know.
	There's a lot to out there.
	The story though, yeah, I did once leave a guy in my hotel room.
	He fell asleep.
	He just kept dragging on about how I do OnlyFans.
	And you can tell that he was getting turned on by it.
	And my biggest ick is when guys are like so interested in what I do for work because that's my work.
	So when I'm talking to you about it, I'm just talking to you like it's my work.
	So if you're like talking to me and you're kind of getting excited, you're thinking you're on a hookup or something.
	I'm just like, I'm so turned off.
	So luckily he fell asleep in my room.
	Luckily, I went for a shower because I was like, if anything's going to happen, I may as well shower be fresh anyways.
	I wasn't really into him, but I was like, sometimes you just have to put open things.
	But when I was in the shower, he fell asleep.
	And also while I was in the shower, I got a text from another guy that was in the hotel.
	There was an event going on.
	And he was like, come say goodbye to me.
	And I was like, okay.
	And I went up and we did our thing.
	And then while we were doing our thing, his coach and his manager were like knocking on his door to try to get him to get on his flight because he had an early flight.
	And then they just joined in.
	And I got a text then from the guy that was asleep in my room and he was just like, did you leave?
	And I was like, yeah, I had to go say bye to a friend.
	And then I never heard from him again.
	But that was good though because he was weird.
	Haram!
	Okay, so that's that's pretty interesting.
	We'll come back to that later.
	Molly, did you have a response to the chat that came in?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So For me, I think that relationship stability and those little dopamine hookup hips come together.
	I kind of utilize both.
	So for me, like, I have sex for work with people that aren't my boyfriends.
	So, like, yes, it is very chemically draining after you have an orgasm.
	And, like, obviously you're tired.
	You're depleted of all of those crazy dopamine whatevers.
	And you get a little sad.
	So, after my scenes, when I'm driving home, the only thing that's like, oh, like, I'm not going to be alone.
	Like, I'm going to have my boyfriend.
	Like, we're going to hang out.
	And he's going to love me.
	And, like, he's going to be so proud of me because I did work today.
	And yeah, like, it all just kind of ties in.
	Like, if I didn't have those little dopamine hits, I would feel like I was in prison.
	And I'm sure he would feel the same way.
	So it just, it all works out.
	Oh, we have another one coming.
	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	Charlie stole my usual question of even wearing my Matt Walsh flannel in WTF.
	So spawn of Satan, how much more traffic do you expect to your from nips rather than wearing clothes?
	All right, they're spicy tonight, eh?
	Modest a comma.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	About 3% more traffic.
	About 3.5% more traffic, is what Molly's expecting.
	Charlie, it sounded like you were about to come in on something.
	Do you have something quick on that?
	No, just, look, dopamine is a very serious chemical.
	If you mismanage it, it leads a lot of people to self-harm and to depression.
	And so, but there are ways to healthily manage dopamine.
	And it is ways such as fulfilling work, purpose, relationships, a spiritual life, eating healthy, intermittent fasting, cold water exposure.
	So just be very careful for whatever it's worth, not that you're going to listen to what I say, because if you start to overindulge in cheap dopamine hits, then you're going to need a bigger and bigger dopamine hit.
	And then eventually you get to a place where you can't hit that high again, and then you crater and you crash.
	And my prayer for all of you is that you don't have to live through that because it's pretty dark.
	I want to bring it back because the trans topic came up before.
	And if I can try to relate it to dating here, I do want to go around the panel on this.
	Do you, and I mean, this could go both ways, but to the panel, do you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
	Do you think that would be transphobic if a man did not want to date a trans woman starting with you?
	We'll go around the panel.
	Go ahead.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think it would be transphobic.
	No, and any trans advocate who says that it is, is like a psyop there to make trans advocates look bad.
	I don't think it's transphobic at all.
	It's perfectly fine.
	I have genital preferences.
	Okay.
	Same.
	Pixie.
	Everyone's allowed to have whatever preference they want.
	Okay.
	I agree.
	Yeah, I basically agree as well.
	I just think it's preference.
	Concurrent.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fair.
	You don't need to know my answer.
	Now, how about this, though, to kind of take it to another layer?
	You know, dating apps are incredibly popular.
	Most people are meeting online nowadays on dating apps, social media, whatever.
	Do you think that somebody's trans, trans man, trans woman, do you think they have a duty to disclose, for example, on a dating app, a duty to disclose that they are trans?
	And if so, at what point should they?
	You know, for example, should it be on their profile during messaging, before a date is scheduled, on a first date, second date, before intimacy, after intimacy?
	Any thoughts on that, starting with you?
	Personally, first off, I hate going first.
	I get a little nervous sometimes.
	No, it's tough.
	You're in the hot seat.
	I'm in the hot seat, but I don't mind.
	Well, personally, I feel like they should definitely be for intimacy, definitely.
	And also, maybe even before they start building an emotional connection.
	Because if you want somebody to really accept you and love you for who you are, you should be honest and come out with everything.
	That's why I'm not sure if that's a good question.
	Any thoughts?
	I think that they should, but for that trans person's own safety, not necessarily for the benefit of anybody else.
	And as far as I know, most trans people already willingly disclose this because it's obviously something that's going to come up very quickly in their dating life.
	I mean, both.
	Porque, no low stose.
	Well, can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	Do you think people should disclose their race?
	Should they disclose their race on a dating app?
	I'm not totally sure how that's relevant, but I think isn't there race to some degree race or ethnicity.
	Race slash ethnicity.
	Like, should a mixed person say that they're half black?
	what i i mean i'm not really understanding the question but um which part Well, if they should disclose if they're half black.
	No, I'm asking if you think that people should disclose race ethnicity.
	Like if you are half Chinese or if you're half black or anything like that.
	No, I mean, this is not a topic I've really given thought to, but Charlie's wife donated $200.
	I love you, babe.
	I'm so proud of you and so blessed to be your wife.
	Great discussion.
	Is that actually Erica?
	She's very busy right now.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	Maybe.
	Maybe, Erica.
	Okay, all right.
	Wait, what's that?
	It's her.
	Oh, okay.
	Hey, Erica, what's up?
	That's cute.
	W's in the chat for Erica.
	W you.
	W's in the chat.
	But you haven't given it much thought, but what's your gut reaction?
	Should they disclose that?
	I'm wondering, I'm thinking, I'm not on any dating apps currently, but I do think on Hinge, for example, there might be a section to, and I'm trying to recall if there is something where you can actually, you can actually put your race, like if you're Native American, should somebody have to.
	Yeah, but should they?
	I don't think so.
	Why not?
	Why not?
	I think it's a bit different, though.
	I mean, it's certainly different.
	It is different, but I think that kind of hesitation is kind of what you articulate from, like you're articulating perfectly what trans people feel like.
	I know that they will do it a little bit.
	I think that's a good idea.
	I think it's quite different.
	But I would like to allow everybody else to answer the question.
	I forgot the question.
	Oh, if they should disclose that.
	Like disclosure at what point should it be?
	I think they should only for like, I mean, obviously the safety of them.
	I think.
	Okay.
	Well, maybe also for the benefit of the other person.
	Although it seems like, Erin, you object to any benefit to the person on the other side.
	I think there will naturally be a benefit to it, but I don't think you're entitled to know that information.
	Any more than you're entitled to know their race.
	Not starting off from the dating profile.
	I think eventually, yes, sure.
	Well, if somebody's trying to tackle that.
	But I think that can be very readily apparent just by looking at their photos.
	Or like sexuality, for example, because you can't tell someone's gay or bisexual.
	Well, there is a on Hinge, I do believe you can specify if you're straight, if you're bisexual.
	it a red flag if they don't do that to you no not necessarily but i mean even i think on on on your end i think you're and actually i do think on hinge there are these filters and i do think you can include i don't know if it's your skin color your race or whatever I think it is your race or ethnicity.
	You can list it, and you can also filter by it.
	Same with sexuality too.
	There's certainly not something there for your actual sex, though.
	There's no, I mean, you can put your gender, but we know that, well, That wouldn't necessarily indicate that could be inclusive of trans people.
	Yes.
	So.
	Oh.
	Did you answer the question?
	Kind of.
	Okay, Pixie, did you have something to do?
	Yeah, I basically was just saying, like, for the safety of them, I guess, yeah.
	Okay.
	I was going to say, you should, but only if you're like going, thinking about this person as like somebody who you're seriously going to date.
	I see it similar to like, for example, like political orientation or whatever.
	Um, where it's like, I, this is another reason why, like, I'm also not a big proponent of hookup culture.
	Cause it's like, I feel like when people hook up, they're not really, they're just hooking up.
	There's no necessarily set of morals or anything to follow beforehand very much because it's like a very casual encounter.
	People don't feel like they have those duties for each other.
	Charlie's ex-wife donated $200.
	Hey, Charlie, you better not be edging to Sophia or Angel right now.
	You've been looking a little too much.
	Anyway, see you later, babexo kisses.
	Do these make you uncomfortable or you just find them funny?
	I think it's hilarious.
	Okay, good, good, good.
	Because I was like, oh, shit, it's okay, okay, okay.
	I got worried too.
	I was like, oh.
	They're spicy.
	I live on the internet.
	I've seen a lot of things.
	Okay, cool.
	A lot of things.
	Thanks for being a good sport.
	I appreciate it.
	Go ahead, Dixie.
	Yeah, so I'll try to wrap it up.
	Basically, like, if I'm on a dating app and like looking to hook up with someone, I would never, like what I said before, like someone who's a super hardcore Republican, I would not want to sleep with them.
	But they don't have necessarily an obligation to tell me their political orientation unless if I explicitly asked.
	So that would be kind of on me.
	But if I'm going to start dating that person seriously, then it's like, oh, okay, like, yeah, we should talk about our values and be like open and transparent with each other.
	So that's my take.
	What about you?
	I agree as well, yeah.
	With who?
	With her?
	With both of them, yes.
	Okay, what about any thoughts on this?
	Yeah, I think it should be disclosed for sure, if not like in their bio within the first few messages, I feel.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Molly?
	I agree.
	It's definitely something that should be disclosed very early on in the relationship.
	I was going to say put it in your bio, but then you mentioned safety and I was like, oh, that's a really good point.
	So like, obviously you can't tell someone what to tell them about or to tell you about themselves.
	But if you're dating someone, you kind of have like a moral obligation to be your most, yeah, be honest, be your most authentic self in front of them.
	And I think it's kind of deceitful not to tell them.
	I would feel like my time was wasted if I showed up to a date and they didn't say anything.
	Sure.
	And I think probably most trans women are, they disclose upfront, most of them, although I haven't, when I was back on the dating apps, I did encounter, someone was actually quite, you know, on hinge how you can have prompts and answer prompts.
	Someone seemed very political, like very political in their answers.
	And they, I forgot exactly what, but they were trans.
	And they said it's nobody's business to know if they're trans, which I thought was interesting.
	But I do think it should be disclosed pretty much as soon as possible.
	When you say encounter, it sounds like you're like Pokemon hunting and you found like a rare Pokemon in the wild.
	What about religion?
	There's also you can put religion on there.
	Do you think that people should have to?
	Should you have to identify yourself as a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or atheist?
	No, I don't think you should have to.
	But I think it's certainly very different.
	I would imagine I think somebody might feel a little bit more bamboozled if they turn up to a date and this person's actually a male as compared to someone omitting their religion.
	Religious convictions are very personal.
	Like Charlie was saying, you probably would not date somebody who is not also an evangelical person.
	Right, but it's a bit more of a bamboozle.
	I think, like, if it's so important to you that you go on a date with somebody who's your same religion, I think there is some burden on the person who really cares about that that they should ask.
	And if the person omits it from their profile.
	I do think, though, it's a different bamboozle.
	It's a bit of a different bamboozle.
	It's different, but like, is it different enough to warrant a different social protocol is all I'm asking.
	I think so.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think the deal breaker should, or you communicating the deal breaker should lie on yourself, basically.
	If something's a deal breaker for you, maybe you should have to put no chance people in your bio.
	Honestly, you'd probably, I feel like on a lot of these dating apps, you might get banned if you were to even, even in the most diplomatic, polite way, if you were to say that, I do think you might get reported and banned.
	Because even, this is Grinder, so this is like gay men or whatever, but there were men putting like no Chinese, no Asian people.
	That's why I made the comparison between race.
	I don't believe that they banned those, but it's a prevalent thing within BIOS to see that sometimes on those profiles.
	And yeah, but Grinder is a very like hookup app.
	Oh, totally.
	Well, I think most of these apps are hookup apps, unless if you...
	But hold on, you said...
	You said the Chinese thing.
	Like, when you say Chinese, do you mean like, are all like specifically Chinese?
	That's what they, that's an example of what Grindr was seeing in their users, that people were saying specifically no Asian slash no Chinese or like no Japanese.
	They were specifying specifically by ethnicity.
	Because there's different kinds of Asian, you know, there's Thai, Korean, there's Chinese, Laos.
	No, yeah, well, these racist people to me were like going so far as to specify specifically which Asian ethnicity.
	Mongolia.
	You can keep going.
	It's a big one.
	South Korea.
	Yeah, so many.
	North Korean.
	Well, that's why they did Asian people.
	China.
	Taiwan.
	I miss Philippines.
	Are you Filipino?
	I am, yes.
	Okay.
	Oh, there we go.
	Okay.
	Can I?
	I'm a captain to have $200.
	Sophia, it's been over a year since you went viral.
	I like the failing to answer this question.
	Can you now name 10 books?
	Rest of panel plus Charlie, name three books.
	You can't repeat an answer or use a series.
	So you kind of went a little bit viral.
	A little bit.
	Somebody asked you to name 10 books.
	Yes.
	Name 10 books for us, Sophia.
	And I wasn't able to name it and I still can't name it.
	I'm not a big book fan.
	I don't like it.
	Let's go.
	Let's hear.
	I like podcasts.
	I like listening and I like a visual.
	Sure.
	You know.
	I'm with you.
	Visuals way better.
	Good night moon.
	The hungry little gadget.
	I got some kids' books.
	There's like Diary of a Wimpy Kid.
	Oh, sorry.
	Wait, okay, okay.
	Let's do a count.
	Okay, so that's one.
	Oh, we're actually doing 10.
	Yeah, you gotta go 10.
	Exactly.
	Something.
	Literally the Bible.
	Power.
	Bible counts.
	Power, Art of Seduction.
	Isn't that a book?
	Art of Seduction, yeah.
	Robert Greene, yep.
	I'm gonna say what I said.
	Okay.
	Is it valid?
	What I said in the podcast.
	Have you guys?
	Just repeat.
	So I said the Game of Thrones series, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna air myself out.
	Only one.
	That only counts as one.
	You can't do this.
	All the Harry Potter books.
	Feast for Crows, Clash.
	What's the Fire and Ice?
	Yeah.
	A Song of Ice and Fire.
	You can only, only one book from a series, okay?
	That's fair.
	And then I said the Twilight series.
	Twilight.
	Twilight.
	Okay, that's five.
	What else?
	You went viral for the you should be ready.
	No, no, no, no.
	That's the thing.
	I had a choice.
	I was like, I was either going to be ready or I was just going to stay true to myself.
	Okay, five books.
	And be honest.
	What else?
	You already have four.
	Okay.
	Think movies.
	A lot of movies are based on books.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Why are you giving her?
	Stop giving her layups.
	Later.
	Can I?
	Okay, how about let me brainstorm some?
	Brainstorm?
	You can get back to me maybe in like an hour or so.
	Or required reading in school.
	How about three more?
	Just three more, and then we'll move on.
	Three more?
	You guys really want to read it?
	Three more books.
	While you're brainstorming, I'll just say that the average American has not read like more than a book in the last year or so.
	So don't feel too bad.
	That's an indictment of like everyone in this country.
	To be fair, a lot of people came up to me saying, like, I can't name 10 books.
	I spot either.
	And a lot of people aren't.
	Maybe it went viral because it's relatable.
	Can you name 10 rap artists?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Go, go, go.
	Easily.
	Luzzie, Cardi, Lucky.
	Man, there's so many.
	Okay, I'll nick my Nikki.
	Wayne, Kanye, Baez has.
	God, I'm on the spot right now.
	I hate being put on the spot.
	This is why I should stop doing podcasts.
	Jay-Z.
	Jay-Z.
	Cardi.
	Cardi.
	Oh, no, not this.
	Cardio have beef with right now.
	She's saying.
	Yeah, autumn.
	Is that 10?
	Has that been 10?
	Ben Shapiro.
	He raps now.
	Yeah, rap God.
	Ben Shapiro.
	There you go.
	Beautiful.
	Okay, moving on, moving on.
	She made her.
	It was a good effort.
	It was a great effort.
	A for the effort here.
	I'll take the A for effort.
	All right, now it's Brian's turn.
	Name 10 countries.
	Name 10 countries.
	Yeah, come on.
	You were doing all the Asian ones.
	I just thought you were really ready for this.
	Azerbaijan, Austria.
	Let's maybe be Burma.
	Is that still?
	Wait, is Burma still?
	Yeah, Burma.
	It's also C, Cameroon, Cambodia.
	Let's go to D, Denmark.
	Let's go to F, Finland.
	Let's go to G, Germany, France, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein.
	That's my personal favorite.
	I'm in there and the Netherlands.
	The Gambia.
	Russia.
	Beautiful.
	Is that 10?
	Was that 10?
	Yeah, maybe that was past 10.
	That was last time.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	I wish I could answer that confidently.
	I think his strategy of the like A, B, C, I think that is smart.
	You know, it helped out a little.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wait, so we were on the, I think we kind of finished this.
	Going back to politics a little bit here, you know, going back, would you date somebody who's pro-life?
	Starting with you.
	I know it's hot seat, but.
	Oh, man.
	Why do I always got to go for?
	Yes.
	Into the mic?
	Yes.
	Yes, I would.
	Yes, because you can be pro-life and still pro-choice.
	And as long as they're pro-life and not anti-choice, that's to me to keep a distinction.
	Wait, I'm a little.
	Can you clarify?
	I'm a little confused.
	There are plenty of Democrats if you pull Democrats.
	Like, for example, like a lot of Catholic Democrats.
	Joe Biden, our own president personally, is pro-life.
	So he would not feel comfortable probably having a wife that submitted herself to procure an abortion, but is okay with it being legal.
	And I think that's the important distinction, not whether or not they personally are.
	So yeah, sure.
	I can agree with that.
	Yeah, I think generally.
	I don't know.
	It depends.
	If they're super pro-life to the point where it's like all of the mother's health is at risk and you still shouldn't abort, then I'm like, whoa, slow down there, buddy.
	I don't know how I feel about that.
	But without those extremes, yeah.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I agree about the extremes.
	If they are too extreme, then maybe no.
	But I would still date someone who's pro-life if they weren't too extreme.
	Okay.
	I'm kind of the same.
	I don't think it becomes a problem unless I get pregnant unexpectedly and then I don't want the child.
	But I'm sure if it was a good relationship anyways and they got pregnant, I would want the child anyways too, even though I am pro-choice.
	I don't think it gives that much of a conflict, obviously depending on the circumstance.
	Molly?
	I agree.
	You can be pro-choice and pro-life at the same time.
	And that is really the only way that I would be able to be in a relationship because I'm pro-choice, but I can also respect that the person that I love is not.
	Okay.
	Charlie, any thoughts here?
	Yeah, I'm just curious, when would you guys say human life begins?
	That's like a philosophical question for the ages.
	When there's a heartbeat.
	When there's a heartbeat.
	Or no, I guess it's a little bit of a single.
	Well, see, now we have three different answers.
	So I'm just, we have a, I will presume, a group of women, because we all, you all self-described as women.
	I'm kidding.
	When does life begin?
	Heartbeat.
	I would still say at birth, even though I know that your cells can be formed in a brain and stuff in the uterus.
	But yeah, I think you're not fully a human until you're born.
	Okay, and you said heartbeat.
	I think it's very difficult to answer.
	I think mostly consciousness and personhood is really what people are seeking to identify.
	And I believe, I'm sure you have to know, how long is like, how many weeks was a full term of pregnancy?
	It's a good question I know very well.
	It's about 38, 39 weeks.
	40 is like at the furthest of just.
	40 weeks.
	So as far as I know, like around 30 weeks is when you see like typically like most development of the fetus has taken place.
	So I would say like around earlier than that.
	But yeah.
	No, I mean so heartbeat is right around six weeks.
	Brain waves are even before that.
	And you could do an ultrasound at right around, you could start to ultrasounds at eight weeks and you can see the full being right around 12 weeks and right around 25, 26 weeks are now the earliest cases we have of babies that are able to survive outside of the womb.
	Does anyone have any other answers on that?
	No, I mean I'm not like educated scientifically enough about the biology of all of it, but I agree.
	I think that life is a very subjective term.
	You know, you could say when does the infant's body in the womb start functioning?
	Or you could say when do they start perceiving their consciousness?
	And for me, it's when they start perceiving their consciousness, but truly I have no idea when that is.
	Do you think it would be important to let me ask you this, if you knew for certain the baby, would you agree it's a baby?
	Is that a good term to use if it's in a womb?
	Is that a baby?
	I think most people would say fetus.
	Poly fetus.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so what does fetus mean in Latin?
	I think a fetus is a growing child.
	It's a developing child.
	You're right!
	Molly, you know, it means a little human.
	Using fetus is nothing more than a cope for what you know it is.
	it's a baby right so it's just obviously not if we're here debating it I don't think it's a simple thing.
	Well, then what you don't have to use the word fetus just makes people feel better.
	It's obviously a baby.
	No, I mean obviously you wouldn't take like you know a fetus that just has like a heart and like their brain isn't fully formed and be like that's the same as like a one month old.
	Like we obviously see differences between development from then and there.
	So but then how about 30 weeks?
	That's where it becomes a lot more contentious.
	But the point being is that we don't look at a fetus from its beginning stages and be like, yeah, that's the same thing as my like three month year old cousin.
	Hold on, that's a nine-month-old is not the same thing as a one-month-old.
	Okay, so you can go through the progression of development continues.
	The question is, when does it start?
	Yeah, that's a million-dollar question.
	I agree with that.
	Do you think conception?
	Of course.
	That's the only answer.
	Most women, I don't believe, even know that they're pregnant before six weeks.
	So, like, around the heartbeat.
	The knowledge of your pregnancy doesn't mean that you're not pregnant.
	No, no, no.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	But I'm saying, like, practicality-wise, there are many instances of women who have miscarriages without even ever knowing because it might just present as like a very heavy cycle that month.
	That's fine, but it doesn't make it any less a life, right?
	Sure, go ahead, Melly.
	No, but do you mourn that miscarriage in the same way you mourn like an abortion, like a concern?
	Not the same way.
	No, it's not the same way.
	No, but it's still a tragedy.
	A miscarriage is a tragedy.
	Even if she doesn't know about it?
	But an abortion is an act of human will.
	A miscarriage most times is not.
	Now, sometimes it can be a miscarriage because you drank alcohol and you didn't know you were pregnant, or you might have taken a drug that had side effects.
	But yes, a miscarriage is a tragedy, yes.
	I have a question.
	So do you care about the children once they're born?
	I mean, I care a lot about them.
	So how, so if, say, a woman got R-worded or something, or even if she just got pregnant and grid one motion donated $200, right?
	Life is not subjective, and we know this because you were speaking of killing them.
	Why is it so easy for you ladies to kill kids?
	If your comfort and lifestyle are more important than a life you have.
	Anyway, my question was, what was I saying?
	You were saying if someone forced sex upon themselves.
	Or not even just that, but say if the mother was homeless or something, say she didn't have a good life, do you still think that child deserves to be brought into the world just to suffer?
	Well, so it's not a guarantee of suffering, number one.
	One sex, one suffering.
	But if they were the answer is yes, the life should be brought into the world.
	There are twice as many people on the adoption waiting list than someone.
	Let me ask you guys, and I don't, I'm just curious, how many abortions do you think there are a year in America?
	I have tens of thousands, I assume.
	Any other guesses?
	No, I have no clue.
	What if I told you there was over a million abortions every year?
	That wouldn't surprise me at all.
	But you went from tens of thousands to a million.
	I mean, there's billions of people on the board.
	Yeah, there's 340 million in America.
	That's right.
	No, but do you think, as far as like reported ones, because even just reported data is going to be incomplete.
	But it doesn't count mythoprecinone, which is the chemical abortion that people bring at home.
	It doesn't count Plan B, right?
	And even if abortion were illegal, for example, we stopped gathering data on who procures abortions.
	There would be so many.
	There's so many now, even though in Texas it's gone down dramatically.
	So hundreds of people.
	No, they're still happening.
	It's just not being accounted for.
	But 90% of them.
	Women are just doing it to themselves.
	Right.
	It's a 90% abortion reduction rate in Texas.
	I don't want to dwell on that too much, though.
	I'm just, so there's a million abortions every single year.
	And there's twice as many people on the adoption.
	There's 2 million people actively on the adoption waiting list.
	So there's really no such thing currently.
	There could be, but currently, of an unwanted child.
	So there's 2 million people wanting to adopt, and there's a million people that have abortions every single year.
	So there's twice as many people that want to get a child.
	Now, there's a longer conversation about making it less bureaucratic without allowing bad people to adopt kids for bad reasons.
	I'm perfectly open for that conversation.
	But to answer your question, I don't love the premise.
	It's a really good question because a lot of people have it.
	I don't necessarily believe being born in poverty is a death sentence or is a reason to terminate.
	No, no, no, but abortion is a death sentence.
	So I don't think poverty should give you a death sentence.
	Would you say abortion is murder?
	Oh, of course, 100%.
	Do you think that people who procure abortions, women specifically, a woman who procures an abortion, should go to jail for getting one?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	They're the moral equivalent of Auschwitz.
	Really?
	Yes.
	About millions of women are basically the same as Nazi people.
	Not the women.
	The women are victims.
	They're lied to.
	90% of women do not see an ultrasound before they have an abortion.
	They have no idea what's happened to them.
	They are the victims here.
	It is the abortionists that are doing this.
	But let me ask you, and I mean this, have you guys ever seen an abortion on a video?
	How correct?
	I'm sorry, if women are the victims here, why should they be jailed?
	Well, I don't believe they should be jailed.
	I think you just said the abortion issues.
	How is it that the abortionists believe that abortion is murder, but a murderer shouldn't go to jail?
	I didn't say that.
	The doctors, the abortionists, the people that call themselves doctors, the people that put women under general anesthesia and go into our doctors.
	They're medical.
	Are you going to just discount the accountability of the portfolio?
	My current perspective is because the women are not given what is called informed consent, that the women should not be penalized.
	They shouldn't be penalized.
	In fact, they should be given grace from a system that has lied to them and has misled them.
	They are not given the full picture of exactly what's happening to them.
	Informed consent has not happened.
	So these women are the victims.
	The abortionists, one second.
	The abortionists are the ones that know exactly what's happening.
	And if you haven't seen a video of an abortion, I'm not going to say anything too graphic.
	It is one of the hardest things to watch.
	The baby fights, the baby struggles, the baby dodges, the baby avoids.
	They break the neck of the baby.
	They euthanize it to the spring.
	It's not a joke.
	And then they tear it limb from limb through there.
	If you're trying to tell me that's, you know.
	That's like a fucking idea.
	If you're talking about dilation and extraction abortion.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Hold on a second.
	A baby has a backbone at six weeks and a spine.
	It has a complete figure.
	It's small.
	It's like probably a small.
	The size of like a grape, yeah.
	Yes, but by eight weeks or 12 weeks, and you're talking about...
	But the vast majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester.
	No, that's right.
	So when you just type abortion that you described is literally the minority of the time, and those are wanted pregnancies because usually those women want those pregnancies.
	They weren't able to get to the point of the power.
	They don't know they're pregnant until they're 16 because they weren't able to carry those children to term because of health risks to their own life or to the infants.
	Right.
	So without getting into that, no infant should be terminated because of health risk to the infant.
	Okay, that's insane.
	It's like you're going to kill the baby because the baby has health risks.
	Not just health risks.
	These are deformed, like...
	Oh, let me ask you.
	These are...
	These are medical.
	Yeah, like still.
	We abort Down syndrome kids.
	No.
	No.
	Iceland has.
	They said if you have Down syndrome, you're done.
	So that's not a new phenomenon.
	They have gotten rid of Down syndrome.
	If you have a DNA test of Down syndrome, they abort the kid.
	I think that's cruel and unusual.
	That is.
	Okay, we agree.
	Good.
	I think there are frivolous reasons to procure abortions, but I don't believe that just because there are frivolous reasons to get them, that means it should be outlawed.
	But should murder be outlawed?
	Yeah.
	But like you were saying, even though you believe that those women have a hand in committing the murder and infanticide, basically, of their own children, they shouldn't have to do that.
	They have not been given informed consent.
	But you don't have that opinion with people who are addicted to drugs.
	Do you think only drug dealers should go to jail, but not people who actually try to buy drugs and consume them?
	It depends what drug it is.
	It depends the category, the class.
	Is there a single drug where you would say that somebody who is buying and consuming drugs that they are addicted to should not be going to jail, but only their drug dealer should be going to jail?
	I mean, I think fentanyl and heroin potentially, but it's a completely separate issue because a lot of people know the informed consent of heroin and fentanyl.
	We have PSAs.
	We have billboards.
	Stop using fentanyl.
	Stop doing fentanyl.
	How many times have you heard that?
	Have you heard of that?
	Yes, but they have a chemical dependency now that prevents them from being able to make that.
	How often have we ever had an honest conversation with women in this country saying that having an abortion increases the chances for depression, anxiety, medication dependence?
	So does having a kid.
	Hold on.
	children carries all of those same risks you think having children you think having children no don't mischaracterize me No, that's not a problem.
	I'm not going to say that having a child necessarily gives you depression.
	Women don't have any of that.
	It can come with it.
	Like postpartum depression, for example, is extremely harmful.
	It's temporary and short-lived, and obviously.
	Or some people asked.
	That's temporary and short-lived.
	That's not permanent.
	Years of living with postpartum depression can simply constitute a temporary medical issue.
	Let's theoretically even grant.
	So you're saying because of potential postpartum depression or financial burdens, the moral answer is allow women to go in.
	No, that was never my argument.
	This had nothing to do with morality.
	This was a completely separate question.
	I'm only saying that I feel like you're trivializing and downplaying how serious conditions like postpartum depression can be when you want to write it off as like a temporary medical issue when it can be a years-long battle potentially.
	Having children is a serious choice.
	So, what percentage of abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute, are not rape, not incest, and not life of the mother?
	What percentage would you say?
	Probably the vast majority.
	97%.
	So, is abortion now birth control?
	Yes or no?
	No, I don't think so.
	I think that's situational to each and everybody.
	Molly, do you think that birth control could be called birth control in certain ways?
	Because you're talking about over a million abortions, but there's tens of millions of women that are on birth control that have IUDs, that take birth control pills.
	So, obviously, that's not the only reason why.
	But it's a form of birth control.
	It's a form of birth control.
	You acknowledge that it's not the predominant form of birth control.
	No, I didn't say that.
	Hold on, I said it's birth control.
	Yeah, but we're not disagreeing with the category.
	I'm talking about the prevalence of the material.
	If it's birth control, then why would we allow it to continue if it's not, if you put the rape, incest, life, the mother, which we can debate?
	I didn't.
	But no, I'm going to put that aside for a second.
	Then, why should we allow a horrific procedure to continue that has such heavy and dire consequences and results in a child not being able to live outside of the womb?
	Because of that, you're loading it so much by saying a horrific procedure.
	Most women who procure abortions actually report being happy long term because they made the choice.
	Because there's many different reasons why women get abortion.
	Some women aren't in a financial position to have a child at that time and actually decide to have children later.
	Why had they get pregnant?
	What do you mean?
	They had sex unprotected or an accident.
	They want the orgasm without the responsibility.
	Do you think the majority of women are having orgasms and sex?
	Are you serious?
	Have you seen the studies on orgasm gaps between men and women?
	I'm going to be honest.
	So they want all the pleasure.
	They want all the pleasure.
	But you want all the loose lifestyle, but none of the responsibility.
	Now, you're framing it like the punishment for having, like, orgasms should be punished.
	No, no, no, the way that you're framing it, which is that it's not a punishment.
	Oh, you want the loosey, goosey parts of sex, like the orgasm, but you don't want the responsibility of a child.
	It's like, yeah, some people want to be able to have sex.
	Okay, no, you articulate that perfectly.
	I'm going to be able to have sex how I want, and if I have to go put a dagger through, have someone put a dagger through a child for me, then so be it.
	Sure, I guess.
	No, that you're being morally clear.
	And basically, it is, it's my body.
	I can do whatever I want with it.
	Even though, let me ask you a question.
	Even though, like I said, most women don't regret their abortions at all.
	Like, the vast majority of women say report happiness and being okay with their decision.
	I'm sure you think that they're lying or they're indoctrinated or if it's not your DNA, how is it your choice?
	What?
	If it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?
	It is because it's a partner's DNA and then it forms into, yeah, it has its own unique DNA that's not yours.
	Here, it's part of your DNA.
	This is my DNA.
	It's half.
	Oh, so should the man then be able to have veto power over abortion?
	Well, the point is, the man isn't the one incubating the child.
	So, I thought it's about DNA.
	If I never made the DNA argument, you did.
	The argument that I was going to make was, or I was going to ask you the question: Do you think another person has a right to your life and your body?
	Does another person have a right to?
	Well, technically, because abortion was legal, when I was in utero, someone did have a right to my life and body.
	Oh, hey.
	And my mom chose life, praise God.
	So did all your moms.
	Yeah.
	Are you glad that she didn't have an abortion?
	No.
	So you would rather be dead?
	I don't know.
	I mean, life would be different.
	If she didn't exist, I would not be able to even know what you never materialized.
	A couple people wanted to come in really quick.
	It looked like you wanted to come in.
	I'd like to give you an opportunity to speak.
	Then I think you had more pixie than Molly.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	It was just back.
	It's backtrack just on what he was saying on not wanting to have the responsibility.
	I think that's really.
	I don't really think that makes sense because I don't think sex is just for reproduction.
	It's just like asking you, you know, like every time, I'm not trying to bring in your wife, but every time you have sex with your wife, it's purely for reproduction.
	I feel like that is very inaccurate.
	So, I mean, it's hard to expect everyone who isn't in a marriage to just not have sex just because they don't want to get pregnant or just because they don't want to have that responsibility.
	Wait, did you make, did you even make the argument that sex is purely sexual?
	No, I did.
	I don't think you did.
	Angel's making a good point, and I want to give her credit for this.
	What she's saying, and it can be misunderstood that I was saying sex is strictly for reproduction.
	What I was saying is that everything in life has consequences and choices, right?
	And at times, the mainstream predominant narrative is that sex comes with almost no downsides, and we're going to give you either the technology, the procedure, or whatever to try to limit those downsides.
	But the difference is that when my wife and I have sex, if she results to be pregnant, which she did, is that we live with that consequence, which happens to be a positive consequence, right?
	A huge blessing.
	Now, I understand what I'm saying.
	It's very, very radical and very unpopular, but the ideal should be far less people having premarital sex and trying to have sex within marital guidelines, or at the very least, monogamous guidelines, okay?
	So that if there was to be a pregnancy, that that baby could be loved and cared for and brought into this world.
	I understand it's a hard ideal to even grasp and comprehend in a world where everything is very sex positive and sex abundant, but it's an ideal that I defend nonetheless.
	I mean, I don't think there's anything that's in contradiction with being sex positive, but also wanting to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.
	I would not, I would just say to those women and those people having sex that you should be using birth control and family planning methods to make sure that you don't have any unexpected pregnancies that you don't want to have to skip the abortion part altogether.
	I don't think anybody loves their abortion.
	I only said that people just don't regret them.
	Are you guys familiar with what's happening with the chemical abortion craze that's going on right now?
	The pill?
	No, not the pill.
	That's different.
	I'm talking about where they're mailing chemical abortion packets where women are bleeding out and emergency room visits are up nearly 300%.
	You guys should look into it.
	It's a very serious thing.
	Why is that?
	Because abortion is harder.
	It's because women don't have access to safe abortion.
	So they start resorting to these sorts of things.
	There's no such thing as a safe abortion.
	Let me be honest with you.
	Really?
	You might say that.
	There were millions of women that got an abortion, but you're going to say that none of them were all of them died after?
	All the babies did.
	But did the women?
	Is it unsafe for a woman to procure an abortion?
	But it doesn't, hold on.
	Answer that question.
	Is it unsafe for a woman to be a bad person?
	Every single abortion, every single abortion.
	You know it's not unsafe.
	That's why I'm not sure.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Let them answer.
	Every single abortion has a victim necessarily.
	And many, many times has a woman full of regret that we are now seeing, and I'm not going to make up numbers out of nowhere, but there is a growing community of abortion regret, including, you know, people that are speaking out and they're saying, I wish I wouldn't have, and it resulted in either difficulty to have children in the future or mental trauma.
	Do you care about their life?
	That's a good question.
	Or what about the moms, like her mother, who, I wish I actually had had an abortion because that wasn't the life path that I wanted to go down, but it was one that I chose to make.
	Do you care about those?
	I care about all people.
	So why do I care about that?
	Do you care about that specific opinion?
	Somebody who regrets not getting an abortion.
	Regrets not, no, I don't regret that mothers wanted to murder them.
	But do you care about the opinions of moms who actually say, I have a child, but I'm not happy with having a family?
	I actually wish I had gotten an abortion.
	Do you think that that's a problem?
	Why don't they just kill their kid then?
	I don't think that it necessarily follows that if you regret not getting an abortion, that you're going to commit murder.
	But it's the same thing.
	Yeah, just put your head up for adoption.
	If you regret it so bad, just give it.
	I don't think most people at that point they're not going to drop a caption.
	Why not?
	You regret it.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying anything stopping them.
	I'm saying most people are not going to be afraid of the power.
	If you ask them, like, would you have rather had an abortion or a family?
	Some of them might say, yeah, actually, having a family and raising a child is very hard.
	I actually wish I had an abortion.
	I don't doubt that that opinion might be.
	Not everybody is fit to be a parent.
	But let me just answer your question really quick.
	Why do I care?
	If you cannot get the life question right, then you get every other question wrong.
	When does life begin?
	And I care about the innocent.
	I don't like bullies.
	I don't like evil.
	And I believe it is an act of evil to destroy those that can't defend themselves, including the one million babies inception?
	Are you pro-women?
	Personally, or I'm agnostic on the question politically, meaning it's legal, so be it.
	But I wouldn't consider it to be a good lifestyle choice, including most specifically hormonal birth control.
	Now, mind you, I'm over my skis on this being a man, but I will yield to the growing community of women on both sides of the political aisle that are ditching their hormonal birth control because they say I don't like the way it makes me feel.
	Or they want an IUD, which is a non-hormanal.
	One second.
	But there is a growing body of literature by Dr. Daniel Amon and many other people that show that the pill increases anxiety and depression and suicidal.
	I'm sorry, certain types of ideation.
	So, again, I am not going to act like an expert on that, but that's a legit community online of people that are ditching hormonal birth control.
	I think the way that you're phrasing things of like, oh no, like murdering the babies is quite interesting because I don't think in like any other example where we have a person and their life is somehow connected to someone else, they decide like, hey, I don't want to do this anymore, like I don't want to give my kidney to this person, I don't want to continue this blood transfusion, I don't want to continue this process, we wouldn't go and point at them and be like, you're a murderer.
	So I just think that there is a distinction to be made here when you're saying like, oh no, they're murdering babies by just deciding that like, hey, actually, I don't want this fetus to continue using my lungs, my blood, my organs to continue developing.
	Like, would you call somebody who doesn't want to have like give a blood transfusion or give a kidney or something like that?
	No, that's a good question.
	That's actually a good faith question.
	So if I had the specific type of blood type, okay, and in a hypothetical desert island, there happened to be a medical facility and somebody right there needed a blood transfusion and I said no, I would be complicit in their death.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'm saying that that is the extrapolation of the hypothetical.
	If what is up to the point that you should be punished if you refuse to render aid to the government.
	Let me finish.
	Yeah, let me finish.
	Okay, so if the government decided, hey, you know what?
	Like, let's say Joe Biden is put in the hospital and you're the only person for whatever reason in the world that can give him a kidney and you have to basically give him like constant transfusions of blood for like the next year, would be a murder if you decide not to do that.
	Well, first I would do it even though I can't stand Joe Biden.
	Yeah, just for the record.
	And if it was only for nine months, yeah, I'd do it.
	And if you didn't do it, do you think you should be punished with jail time or whatever?
	It depends the type of informed consent that goes alongside of it, which goes back to why I believe women are lied to and women are victims in the abortion process.
	And yes, there are exceptions where women really know what's happening.
	Very, very rare.
	However, I don't think the law should go towards women.
	I think they are.
	First of all, I just think that there should be grace and forgiveness because a lot of women go to abortions in crisis.
	They feel overwhelmed.
	They feel as if the world is against them.
	The abortionists, let me be very clear, the people that call themselves medical doctors that know better, that actually do the very damaging graphic removal of the baby, those are the people that I think should be focused when it comes to law.
	To your point, though, if for nine months I would have to live a tougher life for another human being to live, I would do that.
	Wait, but it's not such tough.
	Wait, I just want to be clear.
	Would, like what Erin was saying earlier, so do you think the government should be able to punish you for not doing that?
	Should you be able to go to jail or should the government be able to send you to jail because you didn't want to give blood transfusions to Joe Biden for nine months?
	Should the government have that ability?
	It depends if I knew the totality, if there really were no other options.
	If I said to, if all of a sudden in this theoretical stranded desert island in this abstract thing and I had all the informed consent and Joe Biden was dying and he said, help me out, bro.
	I need nine months of your blood.
	And I said, no, I would be at the very least third-degree murder.
	Do you think that in that stranded?
	Because all of a sudden, if I let him go and I say, you know, no, I'm not going to give you my blood.
	I'm not going to give you my stuff.
	I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself.
	If I have something that I don't need, maybe you guys agree or disagree.
	If I have something that won't, and this is my own personal lot, you guys could disagree.
	But if I have something that will make my life more difficult for nine months, to use the analogy, right?
	But it meant another life could continue, I would sign up in a second.
	Do you think there has ever been a woman who has procured an abortion that had totally informed consent and still went through with the decision?
	Of course, yes.
	Do you think that that woman who has informed consent?
	That's way too hypothetical.
	And the answer is no, because how could you find them?
	How could you investigate them?
	Because it happens every single day.
	There's actually a case right now in Texas of a woman who is actually trying to go across the alliance to get an abortion.
	And Texas has said that when she returns, they want to put her in jail.
	Yes, so I don't believe in that, number one.
	And I know what you're trying to do.
	You're trying to paint me on the extreme of punishing women for abortions, and I'm going to remain hold and fast.
	That I think women are the victims in the abortion industry.
	They get lied to by Planned Parenthood.
	They get lied by the abortionists.
	If I was in your chair, I'd be doing the exact same thing.
	But you deny that there's any women that have informed people who are not going to be able to do that.
	No, I didn't.
	You believe that the vast majority of people that get abortions are deluded into getting them.
	I said, of course, there are, nor should the law or the policy be focused towards women.
	And the vast majority, 90, 95%, we know this from studies by pro-life groups, and we know this by studies, not even just by pro-life groups, by Planned Parenthood.
	So let's say by biased groups.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Do they administer an ultrasound before an abortion?
	Yes or no?
	The answer is no.
	In some states, they do because it's mandated by those state laws, yeah.
	Well, not before.
	Those states have completely eliminated abortion now after the fall of Roe.
	There's no abortion, or is it that those abortions are just happening in unsafe ways because women can't go to doctors to get them?
	Well, many of the people who are in the world.
	Do you really think they're doing abortion tourism?
	Many of them, they're coming to states like this.
	But let's take California, for example.
	Let's get less abstract.
	Where we're here right now, if one of you wants to get an abortion down the street, they will not give you an ultrasound before.
	And just so you know what an ultrasound is, it's a three-dimensional interactive image of the baby fetus, whatever you want to call it, in the womb before termination.
	They will not show that.
	And so to answer your question, first of all, I think it would be so unrealistic.
	And I know what you're trying to do.
	You're trying to play into a narrative that really doesn't exist too much.
	You can use the Texas example that Republicans want to punish women for having abortions.
	Hold on a second.
	I don't like that argument.
	I don't.
	Because from 12 years old, from the first sexual education young girls have in this country, they look at abortion as normal, as fine, and so they've been indoctrinated.
	That's why I continue to believe that they are victims of a bigger scheme.
	They're victims of a bigger scheme, and they should not be punished or held accountable.
	Instead, you go after the industry itself that knows better.
	There is no comprehensive sex ed in this country.
	I grew up in Texas, and the sex education that I was given to the extent that I was was abstinence only.
	So them saying, don't have sex, basically.
	And another thing, I take issue with something else that you said earlier, which is that, oh, well, they've reduced abortions because they've made it illegal.
	But you know that just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen anymore.
	But murder is illegal when never happens.
	But birth rates are up.
	So that's how we know it's working.
	Were you going off birth rates or were you going off the fact that there are zero reported abortions because doctors refuse to perform them because they don't want to go to jail?
	I guarantee you there are back alley abortions happening.
	Far less than used to happen when the clinics were open.
	Should those women have to get back alley abortions?
	Well, they shouldn't get abortions at all.
	But they're going to.
	It's just a matter of whether it's going to be safe or not.
	Okay.
	Again, that's the murder example.
	There's still a lot of murders, and I'm glad murder is illegal on the books.
	It's also the R-word example.
	It's also those.
	So I could apply it equally.
	Of course, there will always be people that break the law.
	There will always be people that produce the most graphic, horrific content illegally online.
	That doesn't mean the law should not exist.
	The law needs to be a reflection of morality and most importantly, the fundamental principle, the defense of the innocent.
	How about liberty?
	Shouldn't it be within people's purview to engage in family planning or make those decisions for themselves?
	Well, what is liberty?
	Liberty is a concept that has been hotly debated by many political theorists, scientists, philosophers.
	But liberty is one having the autonomy and self-determination to be able to make as many free and fair choices in their life and society as possible.
	Fair.
	And so if liberty hurts somebody else, is it still liberty?
	No, because now you're infringing upon other people's liberty.
	So we have clarity.
	So it comes in contact with other people's rights all the time.
	Right.
	So we have clarity but not agreement.
	I view abortion by being a violation of the liberty principle because there's a victim.
	You don't view it that way.
	So we have reasonable disagreement.
	Fundamental disagreement.
	Yes, we have reasonable disagreement, but there's obviously a victim, right?
	There's a baby that needs to be scraped aside, cast and put into a trash can.
	That is a victim, therefore it's the violation of the liberty principle that you articulated.
	Brian, I want to ask you a question.
	Do you think that it's consistent in Charlie Kirk's...
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you think it's consistent in Charlie's philosophy to say that a woman procuring an abortion, which is akin to murder, should not have to go to jail even though she's effectively murdering her own child, her future child?
	Well, truthfully, I'm not really well-versed on this topic.
	From what you've heard so far, do you think that if somebody conflates abortion with murder, the person who gets- I'm the dating guy.
	But you know, it came up.
	So, sorry, repeat the question.
	Just do you think it's consistent in someone's philosophy to say simultaneously that abortion is murder, but that the person who actually asks for that murder effectively should not have to go to jail?
	Do you think that's consistent?
	Or do you think that doesn't make sense?
	I'm not even following.
	Sorry, I've got to.
	Think about it.
	If somebody conceives of abortion as murder, if somebody conceives of abortion as murder, do you think that if they engage in getting an abortion, aka murder, they should be excluded from going to jail because they're just a victim?
	Do you think that's consistent?
	I don't, honestly, you're not representing my argument.
	That's my answer.
	There's an important wrinkle that you're missing, which is that the woman, in my view, in any objective analysis, does not get the full picture of what's being done to her, the full picture of the being inside of her.
	So that's a very important element you're missing here, right?
	But I was saying that even if in the cases that they do, and they choose to get an abortion, should they go to jail?
	And you wouldn't engage with the hypothetical, I want to see a friend.
	So let me be honest.
	If they did engage in that and all that, there should be a national forgiveness for those women.
	And that's what I would say.
	And in those very rare cases, because what we're talking about is improbable, it would be, first of all, insanely unpopular, and I'm very aware of that.
	But I offer grace and forgiveness to women that have had abortion, not to the people that have conducted them.
	I do want to move on here a little bit because Charlie has to leave in about 15, 20 minutes.
	So last thing on the abortion thing, just really quick, and I think we might have touched on this before.
	I guess just for Pixie and you, just since you guys seem the most vocal on this topic, do you think that a woman not being financially ready is a valid reason to get an abortion?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	All of you?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	What about parental responsibility?
	Maybe they could be financially ready, but they just don't want to the increased burden, I guess, to be a parent.
	Is that also a valid reason?
	That's valid.
	I don't think the government has a right to basically dictate your bodily autonomy.
	That's where I draw the line.
	Even if other beings are dependent on it.
	So I have a question for you.
	What do you say to a man who is not financially ready or who is not perhaps not ready for the parental responsibility?
	What do you tell him?
	It's his choice, too.
	Should he have not had sex?
	Is that what you tell a man?
	No.
	No.
	I think they should have been more careful, but I wouldn't say overall that they're irresponsible for engaging in sex.
	Accidents happen to me.
	No, but what is the outcome for a man who is not financially ready or does not want the parental responsibility?
	Paper abortions.
	They call these paper abortions.
	You can write away your parents.
	Men's rights advocates prefer, I believe that the term is legal paternal surrender.
	Legal paternal surrender is the solution to this, where men can surrender their rights and any claims to parenthood of that child.
	They women have to pay child support.
	Right.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think that is the imperfect solution, but it's the closest thing that you could get because you would never have the say over whether or not somebody carries a pregnancy to term somebody else.
	Okay.
	Pixie, any thoughts on that?
	Yeah.
	I guess I just like I'm in similar alignment.
	I think, again, I think there's a legal question of abortion and there's like a moral question as well, as well as when it comes to giving birth.
	And that's why I think like even morally, even though I might not personally have an abortion or whatever, I just don't think the government has a right to tell you what to do with your mother.
	If you can, try to actually answer the question.
	So what do you tell, because in all 50 states in the U.S., whether there's abortion rights or not in that state, in all 50 states, if the woman chooses to proceed with the pregnancy and has the child, you know, there's certainly going to be some either financial or parental responsibilities that men cannot so easily do away with.
	Do you think that it's- I understand what you're saying.
	I- I- What- What do you tell a man, though, who's like, I don't want to have to pay child support.
	I don't want to have to be parentally responsible for the child.
	What do you say to the legal right to do that?
	That doesn't necessarily mean that.
	Well, men don't have a legal right to do that in any state.
	But it's really interesting how people who are in favor of abortion become bronze age pro-lifers when it comes to the male side of this.
	Well, no, I'm consistent.
	I've said that legally.
	Oh, I don't think the government should have a say on what you do with your bodily autonomy.
	And I think legally a man should have the government shouldn't necessarily force you to claim childhood or parenthood over a child that you don't claim to have.
	Does that make sense?
	I'm saying that there's a legal consistency here that I believe in.
	Okay, so you're in favor of a legal paternal surrender.
	Yeah.
	Perhaps in states where abortion is legal.
	Yeah.
	And men are already surrendering their children.
	Even without that not happening.
	I don't know.
	Men can walk out on their children.
	Men can walk out on their children's life.
	They already do.
	I think it would be better.
	But I don't think, yeah.
	I think there's a difference between moral and legality.
	And that's where I think we would agree.
	Yeah, men are already doing this.
	I think it would just be better to regulate it and bring it above board and make it a formalized legal thing.
	So I have a question.
	You're obviously very pro-life.
	Are you a vegetarian?
	I am not a vegetarian.
	I'm vegan.
	Doesn't sound like a vegetable slave.
	Well, a cow is not a human being.
	But it's a life.
	Live is a life.
	It's not a human.
	I think he's pro-human life.
	Hold on a second.
	You do know that vegetables are alive too.
	Broccoli screams when you pull it from the ground.
	And by the way, there is a moral difference between a cow or a salmon or swordfish than a human being.
	I don't think she was equating them, but she was just saying that they have the capacity for life suffering.
	That's why I'm saying, hold on, rewind the tape.
	I said, when does human life begin?
	I did ask that question, right?
	No, I don't think she was calling that into question.
	She was just asking, like, do you extend that to animals?
	Because most people would.
	No, I do not.
	No, I don't.
	I think that we, as human beings, have supremacy over animals.
	Yeah, we should watch and care for animals to the best of our ability, so we should kill them humanely.
	But what is this?
	Come on, man.
	That's the abortion argument.
	Well, you made abortion.
	Wait, if you really think a human life and a cow is similar, then a cow is better than a human life.
	Similar as far as moral worth and moral consideration, I don't think that there's going to be a comparison as far as in the way that you're making, I guess.
	But like people feel this attachment to animals already, like they're pets, right?
	Like a dog or a cat.
	Honestly, if you ask most people, would you rather save a stranger in a fire or your pet, your dog or your cat in a fire?
	Most people would say, I would say my pet.
	Yeah, because that's screwed up because they follow their heart, not their head.
	I have a question.
	Wait, following up.
	Really quick, but I do want to move.
	You are right.
	Most people would save their dog or a stranger when drowning.
	They would save the dog.
	You're right.
	If it was their dog.
	That is a state of a district.
	I think if it was just a dog, they didn't know that.
	It was a stranger.
	But to answer your question, no, I'm a meat eater and I'm proud of it.
	He's a proud meat eater, folks.
	Oh, wait, really quick.
	You asked if I would date a pro-lifer Lila.
	Who comes on your show?
	What's her name?
	Lila Rose.
	Lila Rose.
	I would date Lila Rose, okay?
	I will become pro-life for you, Lila.
	All right, I'll let her know and perhaps she's married.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Pump the patient.
	I missed my opportunity.
	So a couple, I think some of you raised your hand when you said you were feminists.
	Do you guys believe in the patriarchy?
	Yeah, of course.
	The evil patriarchy.
	I don't know much about conspiracy.
	It's basically queueing on for liberal feminists.
	It is like he thinks that patriarchy is a natural state of the world and should be brought back to that.
	So how is that queue on if it's like people within your own group believe that acknowledging that?
	I disagree with Chase about a lot of things.
	And I mean, he's been a recurring guest on the show, but his views are not necessarily representative of whatever.
	But do you think that the tradcons or people, I don't think all tradcons believe in this, but a lot of them who claim like patriarchy should be the state of the world.
	Yeah.
	The patriarchal family structure.
	I think there's certainly some merit to it, but do I do everybody and also I think people have different definitions of what that is.
	I mean, I certainly don't think that there's we live in a patriarchy currently.
	I don't think there's patriarchy.
	Do you mean the United States or globally?
	Or both?
	I mean, I think it vary based on it vary based on the country.
	That's a good question.
	For example, the United Kingdom has, for the past 200 years, for most of those 200 years, has been, maybe it's even more, has been under the rule of a queen.
	Well, it's monarchy, but I mean, I'm not super well.
	A sovereign.
	Yeah, I'm not super well educated on the.
	It's more a figurehead, but still.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But going back to my question, patriarchy.
	You guys believe in the patriarchy?
	We believe in that patriarchy.
	Well, what about the other panelists here?
	Sophia, patriarchy?
	You seem very strong opinions on the patriarchy.
	Oh, do I really listen to this?
	Is there a patriarchy?
	Can you use the bathroom?
	The patriarchy is dictating sheep.
	Blue spussy energy $200.
	Brian, how are you not going to invite Josie when you got Destiny's librarian on?
	Josie greater than Screechy, four eyes.
	Alpha Joe Dirt, the ring, feminism, 304s and simps.
	Hashtag stole my audio fingers number 818.
	Hashtag I want the smoke.
	Okay, LP.
	I got like five minutes.
	We can wrap it up.
	Okay, definitely, definitely.
	Yo, LP, thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so I think the, oh, well, I wanted to do one thing with Sophia.
	Yo, Sophia, you got, can you wait like five minutes before you use the bathroom?
	I'm sorry.
	I wanted Charlie's thoughts on this.
	And guys.
	Yeah, we're going to have a little bit of reverb issues, but just bear through it, and then I'll fix it once next time we get to it.
	Sophia, I was curious.
	Sophia, you do OnlyFans.
	I noticed in some of your photos, Nick, if you can pull them up.
	Oh, gosh.
	Oh, gosh.
	Zoom out just a tad.
	Nick?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	One more?
	Nick?
	I noticed you're wearing cross next.
	Yes.
	Are you Christian?
	So I grew up.
	I grew up Catholic, and my mom.
	There's another.
	Scroll up, scroll up, Nick.
	Scroll up, scroll up.
	Come on.
	No.
	Nick, scroll down so I can.
	Oh, gosh.
	I know I was just leaving.
	Just down to the cross, okay, that's one.
	Too far now, just throw it down a little, okay.
	All right, there you go, didn't pick.
	Jesus, I can't.
	Another cross, okay?
	What cheers you on?
	And there's a tip.
	What emoji is that?
	Hey, next.
	Okay, next.
	We're listening in food.
	And there's the cross.
	And then, of course, you use your Twitter to scroll down.
	You use your Twitter to promote your OnlyFans.
	I'm curious, while you're shooting your OnlyFans content, your pornographic content, do you wear your cross while you...
	Oh, man.
	And I noticed you're wearing a cross.
	I think you're wearing a cross cross.
	I know, I took off my cross.
	I don't have a cross.
	Well, that top one is like an altered.
	Anyways, do you wear your cross while you're shooting pornographic content?
	I probably have, yes.
	You probably have.
	How do you reconcile it?
	Are you Christian?
	I, well, I grew up Catholic.
	Okay, Catholic.
	And my mom is, we grew up Catholic as my dad, and my mom is Christian.
	But, I mean, my personal belief, I believe in God.
	I believe in a higher being.
	But I'm not as strict as I would say a Catholic would be, like a firm believer.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, I don't really think much of it, and maybe I'm at fault for that, but I wear the cross because I do believe in God, and I love, you know.
	I guess just how do you reconcile wearing the cross, sort of still being a Catholic, I guess, with producing pornographic content?
	I guess.
	Which does seem at odds with the faith.
	I mean, she already said she doesn't think too much about it.
	I don't.
	Maybe that's the word.
	I don't think it's at odds.
	Have you ever heard of Mary Magdalene?
	What is the assertion with her?
	Mary Magdalene was.
	I've heard differing accounts on that.
	Mary Magdalene.
	Yeah, mildly Christian.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.
	Yeah.
	As inferred in the scriptures.
	But Jesus did tell a prostitute in John 8 to sin no more.
	So he loves all people.
	And he befriended her and he was a mother.
	That is correct.
	He loves all people, but he didn't necessarily love what they did.
	Sure.
	It's important.
	And I'm only saying that.
	I don't think that there's any point in the Bible where Jesus endorses her actions, but he does have love for her.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And so I guess, like, okay.
	Do you think God wants you doing adult pornographic content?
	Because you said you at least believe in God, right?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't think he specifically likes it, but I know that he does love me, and I have reasons to why I do what I do.
	And they're good reasons.
	And it's not, mostly it's not selfish at all.
	And I actually provide a lot for my family.
	Do you think God wants you doing adult content?
	Split neck?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Do you have any thoughts on that, Charlie?
	Well, I have like broad thoughts in general.
	I've enjoyed the discussion, everybody.
	And I will just make one parting thing.
	Sure.
	Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.
	And I hope the chat enjoyed it.
	Look, for whatever it's worth, if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.
	I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God, and Jesus loves all of you, and he can transform your life.
	He transformed my life.
	I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems, and Jesus solves everything.
	And every day is a new day, and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.
	And I know that might not be something you even believe, and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life and all those sorts of things.
	Some of them do.
	Well, I'll say this.
	I'm a pretty firm believing, outspoken Christian, and God loves every single one of us.
	We're all sinners, and Jesus died.
	I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.
	Well, thank you.
	That's very kind.
	And I can tell you, it's not me.
	If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.
	It's the Holy Spirit.
	It really is.
	I know it might sound silly.
	It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life.
	And so, God bless you guys.
	Thank you for a great discussion.
	Charlie, thank you for coming.
	Where can the people, if they want to find more of you?
	You got a YouTube channel?
	We have a YouTube channel.
	If you guys want to subscribe to it, we do a podcast of three hours a day.
	And you run a great show here.
	Thank you for coming.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you guys for being great co-hosts.
	So you're going to keep the stream going, right?
	Yeah, we're going to keep the stream going.
	Five hours.
	Totally, yeah, yeah.
	If anybody, I'm trying to think.
	Is there anything that we can plug with TPUSA?
	Yeah, if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, it's tpusa.com.
	The best way to support me is to take out your phone and subscribe to our podcast, the Charlie Kirk Show Podcast.
	And I'd love to come back.
	I think these are really important discussions.
	Thank you so much for coming.
	Is there a local TPUSA charter here at USASB?
	We have a lot of students that watch.
	Yeah, we're not very local.
	If you're local here to Santa Barbara, you can do it through UCSB.
	Thank you so much for coming, Charlie.
	Have a great day.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you guys.
	W's in the chat for Charlie.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Charlie, again.

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