Whatever Podcast - Tradthot E-GIRL 💍 DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?!

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Tradthot E-GIRL 💍 DRAMA?! Do Modern Women Deserve Trad Men?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #255

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	Hi, I'm Heidi.
	I am 25.
	I'm from L. I'm from Pennsylvania.
	I live in LA now, and I do marketing for TikTok shop, and I also do content creation, fashion and beauty focus.
	And I have two degrees in college.
	So, yeah.
	What degrees do you have?
	I have a Bachelor's of Arts in Music Business, and then a Bachelor's of Science and Communications PR and social media.
	Which university?
	Same one for both?
	No, Monmouth University for Music Business and then Wilmington University for Communications PR and Social Media.
	All right, very cool.
	Welcome.
	What about you?
	My name's Paulina.
	I'm 33.
	I live in LA, and my highest education is just a few years of college.
	All right.
	An occupation?
	Oh, personal assistant.
	Oh, personal assistant.
	Okay.
	And you're from LA?
	I'm from LA.
	Born and raised in LA.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And you said education was.
	A few years of college.
	That's all I could.
	Where were you studying, I mean?
	I couldn't figure it out.
	I wasn't a fan of the education.
	I was thinking veterinary medicine.
	Then I went, it was just all a mess.
	I even went into art.
	Everything was politicized, so I got out of college.
	It's a mess.
	All right.
	You got your associates?
	No, no degree.
	Highest degree, high school education, otherwise highest.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Elizabeth.
	I'm 21 years old.
	I'm from Chicago, and I live in LA now.
	I'm a live stream host for TikTok Shop.
	So I sell like a product.
	You know, I work with an agency.
	And I also dance on the side.
	And my highest degree, I didn't finish.
	I was going to.
	I guess high school.
	I dropped out.
	Gotcha.
	And you said you're 23, right?
	21.
	I'm 22.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I just turned 22.
	And when you say you're a dancer, you're not a stripper.
	No, I do a professional.
	Okay, actual dance.
	Ballet or anything like that?
	I used to do ballet.
	I'm like mainly jazz, funk, hip-hop, contemporary, freestyle.
	All right, very cool.
	How tall are you, by the way?
	5'9.
	All right, let's get rid of her seat booster.
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	Do I need a seat booster?
	That's what I feel.
	I felt like I was a boosted a little bit.
	She's like, you're dwarfing the two girls next to you.
	Yeah, just take it.
	So what am I doing?
	Oh, just.
	Oh, I literally had a booster.
	That's too funny.
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	Actually, that feels a lot better.
	Can I have you just tilt your microphone down for me?
	Yeah.
	So you notice everything.
	You need your booster.
	You really do.
	And then what I'm also going to do, I should have done this before we went live.
	I just need to do a couple adjustments here.
	Can I have you just scoot to your right that way a little bit?
	Okay.
	And then move the mic along along with you a little bit.
	Scoot it.
	Scoot the mic.
	Scoot the mic.
	Yeah, that works.
	That's good for now.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name's Mars.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I am a digital content creator.
	I do short form content.
	I have my own YouTube channel.
	I have my own podcast.
	I model.
	I act.
	I make music.
	And aside from that, I am studying business administration and artificial intelligence at the University of Southern California, Faidon.
	USC.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	That's a private school, right?
	It is a private school.
	What's the tuition for it?
	It's disgusting.
	It's like $100,000 a year, I believe, but I have a full ride.
	You have a scholarship?
	I do.
	I'm a trustee scholar.
	I have a full merit scholarship to USC.
	What's that?
	They pay for all of my tuition, and it's because of my merit, which is academics, leadership, service, et cetera.
	What is the merit, though?
	It's not need-based aid.
	Like, it's not financial aid.
	It's just I did really good in high school in terms of GPA, extracurriculars, my essays.
	That's what merit is.
	Merit encompasses your leadership, your academic achievements, and your service.
	So your GPA was good.
	What was your GPA?
	In high school, we only did weighted GPA in my high school.
	I grew up in DC.
	I now live in LA.
	It was a 4.45 GPA.
	I don't know what my unweighted GPA was, though.
	That was my weighted GPA.
	Gotcha.
	And you're studying what again?
	I'm studying business administration and artificial intelligence applications.
	Gotcha.
	And you said you're originally from DC.
	I am.
	Gotcha.
	Grew up there?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Born and raised.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Ellie.
	I'm 18 years old, and tomorrow I start my first day of senior year in high school.
	Good for you.
	Enjoy it.
	She's a super senior.
	Every time.
	Nice.
	Super senior.
	I'm not a super senior.
	It's a reasonable age, you guys.
	And you do, you have a job or anything?
	No, I'm completely unemployed.
	Unemployed.
	Okay.
	And you're from where again?
	San Diego.
	San Diego.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Zina.
	I am 21 years old and I am a content creator.
	And I currently go to the American Musical and Dramatic Academy, which is a performing arts college.
	My major is musical theater.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And are you focusing on anything specific with that?
	Well, that is specific.
	Like, my school only has four majors, so it's only acting, film, acting for camera, musical theater, and dance.
	But there's like crew.
	So are you doing the crew component?
	Are you also?
	No, because, so, well, no, because it's musical theater, you learn all of it.
	Like, like, you don't just learn.
	Well, there's like the lighting people.
	Well, yeah, that's why there's different majors, like acting for camera, acting, musical theater.
	Like when I choose my major to be musical theater, I don't just learn on the stage.
	I also learn like background stuff, light, writing my own script, writing my own song, like all of it goes into it.
	Okay.
	So you're a theater kid?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And you're more of a singer, more of an actor, all of the above?
	All of them.
	All of the above.
	Yes.
	Are you currently in any sort of plays currently or anything?
	No, not currently.
	Okay, what's your favorite musical?
	My favorite musical is called Epic.
	It's a story based on the Odyssey.
	If you guys like Greek mythology, it's a really good one.
	All right.
	And you're from LA?
	Yes, I'm from Hollywood.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Kamaya.
	I'm 25.
	I'm currently a PA student, physician assistant student at West Coast University.
	I do not work right now.
	And where are you from originally?
	I'm from Oceanside, but I now live in Orange County, South Orange County.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	But hello.
	My name's Jamie.
	Did you say bet?
	I did.
	How old are you?
	I was supposed to ask a woman her age.
	Well, you're about to say it.
	Okay, well, yeah, tell us your intro.
	What's the intro here?
	Hi, I'm Jamie.
	I am 36 years young.
	I'm from Baltimore, Maryland, but I currently reside.
	I'm just gonna say bet.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm 36.
	Trust me, it's too old.
	I don't say bet.
	I can't say bet.
	Yeah, we're the same age.
	I can't say bet.
	I have a teenage son.
	I can say bet.
	That might make it worse.
	I don't know.
	It does.
	It does.
	Where are you from?
	I'm from Baltimore, but can I also?
	I need your stress ball too.
	She has a stress ball.
	I'm very stressed.
	I'm going to steal your stress ball from time to time.
	So you're from Baltimore?
	I'm from Baltimore.
	Maryland.
	Don't me.
	Isn't it dangerous?
	It is pretty dangerous, yeah.
	Well, it depends on whether or not you're in the gentrified area or if you're in the ungentrified area.
	Is that where The Wire was based?
	Yeah.
	The Wire?
	You know the show?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Of course, I know the show.
	I'm from Baltimore.
	Yikes.
	Yeah.
	Occupation?
	I am a substitute Montessori teacher.
	What's Montessori for the people that don't know?
	It is a teaching style.
	You can either go to public education, you can be part of, you know, Waldorf education, you can be part of Montasori, but it basically is a way in which you teach kids from like tiny, tiny all the way up until like graduation age.
	Yeah, what is the way, though?
	What's the way?
	So essentially, Montasori is based around certain principles like care for the self, care for the environment, care for, gosh, what's the other one?
	I'm terrible.
	I'm only a sub.
	I'm only there like maybe a couple of days a week.
	Just care for the self, care for the environment.
	And yeah, one more.
	Basically, it gets your kids to learn how to be independent starting from like a young age.
	Like we have kids as young as like maybe 10 weeks in the school.
	So it places a big emphasis on independence and like finding what your jam is and then just like learning everything that you can about it.
	So.
	All right, cool.
	All right.
	That's, and oh, education?
	I'm a college dropout.
	I did go to school for radio, but it was not like a four-year institution.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What's everybody's relationship status?
	Longest relationship you've been in.
	And if you're single, how long have you been single?
	Go ahead.
	I am single.
	I've never been in a relationship.
	Okay.
	So, yeah.
	You're 25, right?
	Yes.
	Longest period of time you've dated somebody?
	Like a situationship?
	Yeah, sure.
	I would say like two years.
	That's a little closer to the mic.
	You said two years?
	Two years, yeah.
	Was it on again, off again?
	Only went no contact once, but it's like consistently.
	Both of you went no contact, or one of you did?
	Both.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Temporarily.
	Yeah.
	Mutual no contact.
	And he broke no contact.
	Okay.
	Who initiated the break?
	Well, it was like random.
	It was like very random.
	I didn't know why it was.
	Like three months, maybe during Mercury retrograde.
	Word.
	Came back during Mercury retrograde.
	How long ago was that?
	December.
	So the last time you saw him was in December?
	No, I saw him like last week.
	Oh, the break was in December.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	So you saw him last week?
	Yes.
	And you've known him total for two years?
	Where have you been?
	I've known him for like seven.
	Just get married already.
	You've known him for seven, but you've only been what for two years?
	Like talking a situationship for two years.
	Did you hook up with him seven years ago?
	No.
	Six years ago?
	No.
	Five?
	Two years.
	Maybe a year.
	Okay.
	I hooked up with him a year ago, but we started like flirting two years ago.
	I was a virgin two years ago.
	So he's the only guy you've been with?
	Yes.
	Like once.
	Wait, what do you mean once?
	Like he took my V card and that was about it.
	Hmm.
	They were the worst.
	Hold on.
	The worst.
	You had sex only one time?
	Yes.
	Ever?
	But.
	Yes.
	You've been in a situationship with him for two years.
	You had sex with him a year ago.
	You still continue to see him.
	You already lost your virginity to him.
	But now you don't have sex with him anymore?
	No, he has to earn it.
	So like, wait, so what do you guys think?
	Bro, you're fucking lying.
	Your friends are.
	You're not lying.
	I'm not lying.
	She's like in a minute.
	She's been around.
	I have a question.
	So, what do you guys do when you hang out?
	Like, what makes it over?
	What makes it a situation?
	Like, we do other things, but I'm not having sex with him.
	Okay.
	I'm just sorry if that was an intrusive question.
	No, it's okay.
	Okay.
	But why haven't you made it official?
	Like, that sounds like the.
	Because he's a whore.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, then why are you still talking to this guy?
	Because he's a whore.
	Like, it's just like a complicated situation.
	Better dick exists, though.
	Well, she's a platform.
	I mean.
	Okay, all right.
	So, like, there was like, we were best friends.
	So it was like.
	A little bit more than besties, basically.
	Well, now, but, like, before it was, like, strictly platonic, and then we both moved out here, and then it, like, got complicated.
	Do you think he's watching right now?
	No.
	Need splits.
	Definitely not.
	I'm frustrated for you.
	I'm frustrated for you.
	Well, what's how are you frustrated and why are you frustrated?
	Because, like, y'all are besties.
	Why is he such a whore then?
	Because he has commitment issues and he's also a sex worker.
	So that's how he makes his money.
	Huh.
	So I'm not going to stop him from getting his bag, especially in this economy.
	Is there anything that he could do other than sex work, though?
	What?
	I mean, yeah, but like I'm so confused.
	It's getting deeper.
	It's all true, though.
	Is that an actual question?
	Is there anything else he could do?
	Like, are you actually care that much?
	I don't know.
	I personally don't care how somebody gets their bag.
	What?
	He does OnlyFans then.
	Yes.
	How long has he been doing that?
	Three years, four years.
	How old is he?
	25.
	Okay.
	So what does he do on OF?
	I don't look at it.
	I'm not a subscriber, so I wouldn't know.
	I don't ask about it.
	That's none of my business.
	Open the doors, please.
	So he's hooking up with other women.
	Yeah.
	Not just for work, but also just for fun, like civilians.
	Uh, yeah, probably, yeah.
	Okay.
	And you're upset that he won't commit to you?
	I'm or what?
	I'm not upset about it.
	I just know what the situation is, and that's okay.
	I know he's not looking for commitment right now, and that's fine.
	Okay, what are you looking for?
	I'm just trying to be successful in LA, so I'm not really too worried about a relationship status.
	Like, of course, I want to find a partner, but I'm more worried about like becoming successful, getting money, and like living my life, being happy.
	Like, a relationship doesn't contribute to that.
	Like, it can, but, like, it's not all I'm focused on.
	Um, wait, and so what I'm just why are you with him, I guess?
	I'm just confused.
	Well, I'm not gonna break a friendship over something like that.
	Like, we're still friends at the end of the day.
	Like, if we're a situationship, like, one day and, like, besties the next day, it's like we're not always like in that situationship stage, I guess.
	It's kind of like best friends one day, and then, like, other times it's like, oh, we're flirting today.
	Like, the lines are black.
	Yes.
	I guess.
	How did the whole like losing your virginity thing was that planned?
	Was it a spontaneous thing?
	It was kind of spontaneous, but like, I was sleeping over at his house for 10 months before I let him take it.
	Wait, you were like living with him?
	No, no, no, no.
	I would just go over and sleep over for 10 months.
	Real though.
	Very real.
	You belong to me.
	And I guess, was alcohol involved or were you guys both sober?
	I don't really drink at all.
	He drinks, but like alcohol wasn't really a factor.
	Is there any reason you guys haven't hooked up again?
	Because I won't let him.
	Okay.
	Sazzy asked.
	Yeah, of course.
	Kitchen.
	Like, he'll come sleep over, and like, that's that.
	Like, I'm not going to let you.
	Do you guys do other things?
	Yeah, but like, I won't let him sleep with me again.
	So you guys, what, third base?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you're.
	You S the D.
	Yes, sure.
	Yeah.
	But no P in the kitchen.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	What do they call that?
	There's a term for that.
	That explained it plenty.
	I think it's like a blowjob detail or something.
	A what?
	Like a girl who just BJs.
	I guess.
	It's news to me.
	Okay.
	It's just kind of, I mean, it's just a little confusing, I guess.
	It is confusing, and it's not like I'm loyal to him if he's not going to be loyal to me.
	So it's like I still keep my options open, but I just don't sleep with people in general.
	Okay.
	Was he in sex work when you guys met?
	Was he always in sex work?
	No, he was always in social media and got into sex work after, like, I've known him for two years.
	Gotcha.
	And yeah, it was like when OnlyFans started becoming bigger and more normalized.
	Just capitalizing on it.
	Just capitalizing on it.
	Choo-ching.
	Everyone is.
	Everybody has a price.
	No.
	So I don't know if I missed this, but do you hook up with other people?
	Or like I don't have the S-word with other people.
	So like a hookup, yeah, but like not like the S-word.
	It's, I don't know.
	Like, I don't know, stuck in the D.
	So it's foreplay, but no sex.
	Yeah, too.
	Because I don't want to add a body.
	It kind of does add a body, does it not?
	I mean, if you.
	Who cares, though?
	You know, I think it adds a body.
	Because if I make out with somebody, you can buy a bottle.
	Separate category.
	But if I make out with somebody at a party, are you adding them to your body count?
	No.
	It'd be a separate body count if they're like you're just making out.
	I feel like the minute that genitalia hits like a crossover zone, like even if like, you know, they're just rubbing it on the, you know, um, that would, you, you add that to your body count.
	Like if you're like, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	People define sex very differently in this day and age.
	And I'm bisexual.
	So, you know, I don't have penetrative sex with a penis with a girl, you know, but I still count my actions with the girl as sex.
	So I don't know.
	I think you can define it in your own ways, but I probably define sex a little bit differently than you do.
	Yeah, no, definitely.
	That's, I don't know.
	If it goes in a hole, I think it's a body.
	That's what I say.
	It's pretty simple.
	Yeah.
	It's not that difficult.
	You know, when you got your options, I mean, even the LDS folk try and skirt like that by the whole soaking thing.
	But it's like, eh, you know, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck.
	Thank you, Offensive Truths for the gifted 50.
	You said you don't want to add a body, but you already have said body.
	You already slept with him.
	She asked if I wanted, like, if I was hooking up with other people.
	Oh, with other guys again.
	Which you're not.
	I'm not having the S-word with other people, no.
	But you're Sing the D with other people?
	Not necessarily, but like it's not like I'm not seeing other people.
	Like it's not like I won't go on a date with another person.
	I still have my options very open.
	Like I'm not just exclusive with him.
	All right.
	Interesting situation you've found yourself in.
	You've been hanging out with him for two years, but it's non-exclusive.
	You lost your virginity to him, but you only had sex once.
	You don't continue to have sex with him.
	He's a sex worker, and he fucks other women for business and pleasure.
	Is that a fair summary of your.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you date other people too, but you have varying degrees of foreplay with them, but not full-blown.
	You don't even S the D. You only S the D the guy who fucks other women.
	Do I have that correct?
	Kind of, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you like a new guy comes into the picture, you, you know, maybe, you know, make out a little bit, dry hump, whatever.
	A little handy.
	But you reserve the Sing the D for the man who has his penis in other women.
	Is that a fair characterization?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	All right.
	Tough act to follow.
	Okay, there's a lot going on.
	My last relationship was seven years ago.
	It lasted a few years.
	Are you single?
	I'm single now.
	Okay.
	Dating for marriage.
	You said single for a few years?
	Seven years.
	I was with.
	Yeah.
	Well, you've been dating people, though.
	No, I haven't.
	I'm actually just getting into it.
	I've dated a couple people, but.
	No relationships.
	No relationships in seven years.
	So you were divorced seven years ago.
	Not even married.
	Oh, not even married.
	I'm dating for marriage now.
	Dating for marriage now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But you were in your longest relationship seven years ago.
	Seven years ago.
	It lasted a few years.
	Three years, four years?
	No, a few years.
	Kids?
	No kids.
	Three years?
	No, it lasted a couple years, that relationship.
	How many years?
	I'm sorry.
	Seven years ago?
	That relationship?
	It lasted a few years.
	Few years equal what?
	Two years.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Two years.
	Do you have kids?
	No kids.
	No kids.
	Okay.
	You've been single for seven years, so it's crazy.
	You've been single since like 25, 26?
	Yeah.
	Because you're 33 now.
	Yeah.
	Single for seven years.
	Yeah.
	You've been celibate for seven years?
	Celibate.
	You've been celibate for seven years.
	Seven years.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I have no desire to S the D. Absolutely.
	No Sing the D. Absolutely not.
	I don't do degeneracy that way.
	Absolutely not.
	Don't do degeneracy that way.
	No gloved handies.
	Absolutely not.
	She's costing.
	Okay.
	You said you have gone on a couple dates.
	I have.
	Second dates, third dates, or I've had second and third dates.
	Here, try to stand up if you're not.
	I've had second and third dates, but the value system that we didn't share values, fundamental values.
	And I can find that out within a couple dates, you know.
	So I'm like, is this the guy I want to spend my life with?
	Sure.
	And procreate with?
	No, it's not.
	What are the fundamental values that you're looking for?
	Very traditional.
	Very traditional guy, God-fearing, strong, masculine, courageous.
	Okay.
	Courage is very attractive.
	You're religious?
	Courage is attractive.
	Very attractive.
	Very attractive.
	Oh, yeah.
	When you say courageous, what does that mean?
	Chivalry.
	Chivalry.
	Chivalry is super attractive.
	It's kind of a dying art form I'm noticing with guys.
	Chivalry.
	Okay.
	It's, you know, romance.
	I mean, I like romance, softness, you know.
	I'm very good at reciprocating communication, but the dating world is a mess right now.
	The sexual marketplace is an absolute disaster.
	But my values are very traditional, I'd say.
	As traditional as I can make it at this point.
	Have they always been?
	Actually, they always have been instinctively.
	They always have been.
	I kind of have a moral compass.
	What's right is right.
	What's wrong is wrong.
	Since teenage, I've always wanted marriage, kids.
	That's my path.
	That's always been my desire.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Let's see.
	So, courage, you're looking for courage.
	You're looking for chivalry.
	Traditional.
	So you're Christian.
	God-fearing is absolute.
	I'm an Orthodox Christian.
	I'm actually a catechumen in the Orthodox Church.
	Oh, okay.
	So I'm in the process of getting baptized.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	How long have you been an Orthodox Christian?
	Actually, I've been a few years.
	I've been going to this particular Orthodox church, and the good thing about it is it's pre-denominational.
	So it's very ancient.
	It stays true to scripture.
	It's not like degenerate women on the podium, gay pride events in church, none of that.
	I'm not, I don't follow that.
	Okay.
	So.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I like it.
	I like a hierarchy that's very traditional, and I know my place in that.
	Sure.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My last relationship was two years ago.
	Two, three years ago.
	Yeah, somewhere around there.
	Lasted for like a year.
	And I'm currently single, but like in a complicated situationship.
	Okay.
	What do you mean?
	What's complicated about it?
	We were talking for six months, five, six months, and we went into no contact last week.
	And then he messaged me yesterday.
	So you were boyfriend and girlfriend for five to six months or was it just casual?
	Exclusive, but casual.
	He was exclusive.
	Like, you know, we were both loyal to each other.
	I believe that he was loyal to me.
	I was loyal to him, like, extremely.
	But I don't think that we were seeing other people, but like our paths are just very busy.
	Okay.
	And why did it go no contact?
	It was kind of like I crashed out on him on accident.
	Just be like, yeah.
	I crashed out on him just because of like a situation like he needed to show up to something and he didn't.
	And it was just more so like he's really busy.
	I'm really busy.
	So, but we both had like that mutual thing, like, if that makes sense.
	So, wait, what?
	He like no-showed on you?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah.
	Like, I had a showcase for dance, and he said that, like, the morning, like, we were fine.
	And then at like the show time at like 10:30, it was like, it seemed like he was coming, but like, his message was like also like confusing.
	And so I tried to call him, didn't answer.
	And then 11:45 hit around, and I was like, where did you go?
	And he's like, I'm going home.
	And so, like, we had an argument with him and I hung up on him.
	And then next day.
	Wait, he said he's going home?
	Yeah.
	So he was there?
	No, he was in LA.
	Like, he, because he lives in OC.
	So he was in LA for work and he just decided not to show up.
	That's what he said.
	That's pretty much what happened.
	Yeah.
	And it was at 10 a.m.
	10:30 p.m.
	10:30 p.m.
	Yeah.
	It was a sh what's a showcase?
	Like for dance.
	Like a performance?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's probably pretty valid to just not show up to that.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Wait, really?
	I mean, like, I mean, like, that's a good move.
	I mean, to me, I have two sides to it where it's like, I get it because he's been working since 8 a.m.
	And it's in LA.
	He has to go back to OC.
	So I understood that because the showcase doesn't end until like 2 a.m.
	And, but the thing is, I was also like, I'm there for you, for your work stuff, you know?
	And I think.
	What does he do for work?
	I don't want to say.
	He works with cars.
	He has stuff with cars.
	So you go to his car shows?
	No, he doesn't do anything revolving that.
	He sells cars, does stuff like revolving the business.
	He doesn't text you something along the lines of, hey, I'm really tired.
	I'm not going to be able to make it or at like 10, 11 o'clock.
	And it was, he didn't say that he, it was like kind of confusing because it was like he was hinting that he could come and then it was like, yeah, I have to head back to my car.
	And then it was like all of a sudden never heard anything.
	And I was just like, okay.
	Like I was waiting around and hoping that he would still show up.
	Wait, but did he say something along the lines of really tired?
	I'm not going to make it.
	No, it was more so like I was, there was still hope that he would have.
	Like he didn't say no that he wasn't coming until like I, he was like, I probably won't be able to make it, all this stuff.
	And I was like mad because I would have rather have known.
	Wait, what time did the show start?
	11 p.m.
	Like 11.
	What time did he text you that he said that?
	1030, 10.45.
	So before the show started, he did tell you.
	He said that he said I still have to head over to my car.
	And I was like, okay, when did he?
	You said that he said, hey, I'm not coming or something along those lines.
	He said that after the show, once the show was already starting, like at that time, like within that time period, like that's when he said that.
	So around the world.
	He was like, I probably won't be able to make it.
	And I was giving the hope that he will still probably show up.
	So he said, I'm probably not going to be able to make it.
	Yes.
	I don't see the issue here.
	The thing is that why tell me at the beginning of the show, right when the show is about to start instead of telling me hours before, because the thing is that he was telling me all these times that he was, yeah, I'm going to come.
	I'm coming.
	I'm going to make sure I come.
	All this stuff.
	Was your performance contingent upon his being there?
	What do you mean?
	Like, he's not part of the show, right?
	No, it's.
	He's just an audience member sitting there for four hours while you do like interpretive dance or whatever.
	The thing with this showcase, it's like this is where agencies are.
	This is where like Janet Jackson started.
	This is where a lot of people started and get signed and get booked for things.
	Everyone gets booked at these types of showcases.
	And so him being there was like, well, him being there would have been like a great part of it because I don't invite anybody to my dance stuff.
	Like nobody.
	If I invite you to my dance stuff, like that's like my world, you know?
	So like when you don't show up for me in that way, it's actually kind of hurtful because that's what I want to do for my career.
	But I mean, him being there wouldn't have an impact on your career.
	Like it'd be supportive.
	It's more support.
	I was looking for more support.
	And how long?
	You've been with him for five to six months?
	Yeah.
	And he was working all day?
	Yeah.
	It's a tricky situation.
	I understand both sides, but I understand his side too.
	Yeah, so do I.
	He probably could have given you more heads up.
	That's what I was looking for.
	He texted you.
	He said, hey, I'm tired.
	I'm not going to make it.
	But he was in town.
	Like, it was like he was in town for work and could have just driven like 10 minutes.
	He got to the showcase.
	Bro, guy.
	That's like a 12-hour day.
	It's a long time.
	He's straight, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Going to a dance recital.
	I know that's not what it is.
	Going to a dance recital is not number.
	What day was it, a Friday or Saturday?
	It was a Thursday.
	Thursday.
	And he's a hardworking guy?
	Yeah.
	Owns his own business.
	Pretty much, yeah.
	Yeah, that's what got me.
	He was working all day.
	Yeah, yeah, every day.
	He has like 12-hour days.
	So it's not the number one priority for a straight male to go to his girlfriend's dance recital for three hours after he just busted his ass all day.
	I will tell you, though, he could have given you a bit more heads up.
	But beyond that, man, this guy's, if he's willing to, the fact he was willing to initially do it, has he done it before?
	Has he gone to your dance ship before?
	That was the only, that was the only one.
	Because we don't really perform like that.
	We mainly do like videos.
	Like, it's very rare.
	And if we do something, it's out of state.
	And so it's, you said it's three to four hours long.
	Well, when we go on, we just like end up leaving right after and go do something else or maybe stick around.
	But like we went on at like 11:45.
	Like we were like show, there's like only we close the first act.
	It was kind of set up for failure, I think.
	Lack of communication.
	But he's been in dark all day.
	That a straight man, that a straight man was even considering going to a dance.
	I'm starting to do that.
	I noticed him being straight have to do that.
	A lot of guys go to this, though.
	I feel like girlfriends.
	As somebody who goes to school for it, as somebody who goes to school for it, there's a lot of straight guys there.
	And I'm just saying.
	I got to understand.
	I see where you're coming from because it's not the fact that he couldn't make it.
	It's the vulnerability of knowing that you don't invite people to it.
	And then as somebody who's in, like, who like does dance showcases and stuff, I completely understand that.
	And I get where you're coming from because of my, I understand that he had a long day, but it's mostly just the fact of like, hey, give me notice.
	Like, if I support you and this is my first time inviting you to my show, I feel like if you're 10 minutes away, you can at least pop in, like sit in your car for a couple minutes and like decompress.
	Yeah, I feel like if you're pushing through to support him and his things, it's the fact that you want him to support you and he didn't do that when he was supposed to show up.
	Yeah, I think you took that personal principle and you had a few hours of stress because you didn't hear from him.
	So that those two hours of stress, you took very personal.
	Because he could have let you know a few hours in advance, which I agree with.
	Yeah.
	But I understand that.
	That's a long time.
	The whole day was already stressful.
	Like, again, like, this is where you get booked.
	Like, I'm like, okay, I need to put my, and I had a sprained knee.
	So this was like my first time back on stage in like six months.
	Like, you know, so it was more so like, okay, this is super important.
	You know, I have to deal with tech all day.
	Like, you know how it is.
	Like, tech rehearsals and the run-through with an actual show and you're sitting there for like six, eight hours just before the show.
	I get it.
	Question for you.
	When did you tell him about the event?
	Hold on.
	A month ago.
	I wanted to know.
	Here, scoot your mic to the left.
	Scoot it to the left.
	Go ahead and ask your question, please.
	How long in advance do you tell him that you're having your research?
	July 1st.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	That's a lot.
	Yeah, a month in advance.
	And do you bring a lot of people in your inner world very often?
	No.
	So that's what you also took super personal.
	Because I don't bring my family.
	Like my family, like I mix of my mom, but she is always working to not, you know, and he was your person to be there.
	So I get it.
	Yeah.
	I totally get that.
	Wait, hold on.
	And you said he lived in a different area?
	He was an OC.
	So what's the distance between you two?
	Depends.
	I mean, like, we were going back and forth with each other.
	So like it could be like 45 minutes at night or like during the, like we don't really, I mean, during the day, it could be like an hour and a half, two hours.
	How often would you guys see each other?
	Like maybe once to twice a week.
	We got lucky if we saw each other twice a week.
	I call that long distance at the same time.
	Yeah.
	That's a long distance.
	Which was healthy.
	It was really healthy because the time that we spent together, like it, it was like energetically like crazy.
	You know?
	Can't miss him if they don't.
	Just like, it just feels so much better instead of seeing a person every freaking day.
	Like I.
	Well, at least you guys kind of have space.
	It's okay to have some space.
	I think it's healthy.
	But I also think she was upset because when he did show up, like when he would see her, it was just like, oh, and you couldn't show up for that.
	It was kind of just like as a friend, it was like, bro, like, you had one job.
	Like, you couldn't just show up for that one thing.
	But you can, like, during these times.
	It's just like, ooh.
	Everything's always kind of a test.
	And sometimes a test, it's going to be kind of destined to fail.
	You know?
	I understand where you're coming from, but that's, it was kind of not set up ideally.
	He's working all day.
	You have a big moment.
	That's lying.
	I feel like it was lying.
	I understand.
	I get that.
	I'm going to say, I feel like it was destined to fail on his part.
	If you gave him notice and he knows his work schedule better than anybody else.
	So I feel like even if he did have a hard day, he should know his own capabilities and not dedicate himself to that in the first place.
	Things come up.
	Surely he'll make the next one, right?
	Wait, hold on.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm going to call you fuckers out.
	Y'all too done dedicated to come on the show at meet at 4 p.m.
	You guys were an hour late.
	You guys were an hour late, so don't tell me about...
	Well, if you dedicate yourselves to something, you should do the...
	Bro, you guys were an hour late.
	I mean...
	I didn't say that.
	Fair point, I guess.
	I didn't say that.
	If you're going to dedicate yourself to something, well, you better make sure you're always perfectly on time.
	Anyways.
	Yeah.
	So, look.
	Ultimately, I think, I don't know.
	It's exclusive.
	How long has it been exclusive?
	Well, the five, six months.
	The entire time?
	You actually, like, maybe.
	Are your boyfriend, girlfriend?
	What's the title?
	There really was no title.
	Like, we would, he called us a power couple, and I was like, and I was like, you said, I love you?
	No, I do have a type of love for him.
	I, like, have a type of love for him.
	Unless, honestly, if your girlfriend, if she's not your girlfriend and she hasn't said, I love you, it's too soon for the, hey, spend two hours at the tournament.
	Something personal.
	Something super personal to you.
	And you don't even bring your mom to.
	You know, well, hold on.
	Or she doesn't show up at least.
	I get it.
	She lives in a different state.
	Look, if the guy is, it's a Pokemon tournament and you want your girlfriend to come to the Pokemon tournament, that's valid.
	Dance, though?
	Sorry.
	What did you just say?
	Come on now.
	No, dance.
	A guy going to a dance recital.
	Not no.
	But you think he loves dancing, though.
	That's the thing.
	Pokemon from the guy.
	Very important.
	No.
	You know, maybe it's his.
	That's not like this magic.
	Yeah.
	I just feel like...
	What's something guys are into?
	Like, magic gatherings.
	Like, he's into hockey.
	I would have gone to his hockey season.
	I think nine months.
	I mean, they're nerds.
	You got to be dating for nine months before you can.
	I think it's just the fact that he said that he was going to go.
	I don't know.
	I think it was just that.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	A baseball game.
	You have to have said, I love you before you can take a girl to a baseball game.
	Because that shit's fucking boring.
	It's boring for a dude.
	But taking a girl to a baseball game, she has to be in love with you before you can take her to a baseball game.
	A guy has to be in love with you before you take him to your dance thing.
	Why do I have to wait five, six months before I go to a baseball game?
	That's so basic.
	That's fun.
	It's a good date.
	Have you been to a baseball game?
	Yeah, it's fun.
	Really?
	It's not.
	Have you watched baseball?
	Look, I don't have the sport of baseball.
	I don't watch it like that, like on TV.
	I'll never watch it on TV.
	But if I'm there, I'm watching it.
	I'm getting into it.
	It's fun.
	But I get what you're saying.
	You're rarer than.
	Yeah, okay, anyways.
	Hockey's better.
	Hockey is so fun.
	Love a good hockey game.
	I think it's valid, though.
	I don't know.
	So, okay, you guys are back together or whatever.
	No, he messaged me last night and I didn't open it until this morning.
	Good on you.
	What did it?
	It was just because the thing is, I went complete ghost on social media, like just to get a break from everything.
	And I think he was wondering where I was physically, so he snapchatted me.
	Wait, you went on a break because of what happened between you and him?
	Just more so, like, I work in social media, so it's like, that's like what I do all the time.
	I've haven't had a break since January, and like, honestly, before then.
	So, I was like, let me just take a break from, you know, scrolling, all that stuff, because I felt like it was mind-rotting.
	So, I think he was wondering what he couldn't have, but like, you know, he probably was wondering where I was at.
	So, he snapchatted me.
	I didn't open it until this morning.
	And I was just in bed.
	But, what about texting?
	You guys texted me?
	Because I think he wanted to see where I was actually physically.
	Oh.
	So, he snapchatted me.
	Oh, you could, if you could just text me, like, I can be anywhere.
	Like, what did he say?
	He said that he scraped his elbow because he was skateboarding.
	And then I just you guys haven't talked for a week?
	We haven't talked for a week.
	How exactly?
	He was just looking for an excuse to talk to me.
	No, see, there's a game that's being played here, and it progresses into a deeper game.
	And was he not wearing pads or anything?
	No.
	He's crashing on.
	He's more responsible.
	That's this.
	There's lose communication that becomes a problem.
	So you crashed out on him.
	Yes.
	Can you explain the crash out?
	What did that look like?
	Stress.
	I was crying before I went on stage.
	I was literally walking over to the stage about to cry.
	I was on stage completely blacked out.
	And then I went straight to my phone and I didn't see any notifications from him.
	And it made me really upset.
	And I instantly went outside, called him the first time.
	It declined after the second ring.
	So I was like, oh, is he with another girl?
	And so and then I called him again.
	I called him again and he answered on like the second or third ring.
	And he was like, hey, how are you?
	And I go, are you okay?
	And he's like, yeah, I'm okay.
	Are you okay?
	And I said, no.
	And he said, oh.
	And I said, why didn't you show up?
	And he goes, because I worked all day, I'm really busy.
	And I go, you could have told me that you weren't coming way before instead of the time of the show.
	And he was just like, yeah.
	And then I was like in the middle of like about to say more things.
	And I was just like, it doesn't sound like it was a crash out, but the thing is that I had a very much like, you can tell there's anger in my voice.
	Like there was other things that were said that I like can't even recall because like my brain was just like throw everything out.
	And he was, and as I was about to say something else, he was like, well, I have a long drive home.
	And before he could even hang up on me, I hung up on him.
	And then, yeah.
	And that was the first time I've ever crashed out on him.
	Like anger full on.
	Did he understand how important this was?
	Yes.
	He definitely knows.
	I know him, like, truly, he knows.
	Block him, sis.
	Block him.
	You can't block at every moment.
	I would have constantly knows.
	It's not real.
	Just a little bit.
	You guys were on the call.
	You guys were speaking on the phone.
	Yeah.
	How was your tone with him?
	It wasn't even like reenact it because like are you okay?
	Come on.
	Let's do it.
	Hey, hey, babe.
	Are you okay?
	I just wanted to see where you're at.
	I fell off my skateboard and I got a boo-boo.
	That was after.
	No, we lose.
	It was like, I don't even know how to explain it because she's heard me angry.
	Did she get fiery?
	Are you a cusser?
	It's okay if you're not.
	Yes, I very much am.
	I'm like, I. You're passionate.
	It really depends.
	So like, I really was trying not to crash out.
	I was trying to have like a more like calm state, but I was just like, what the, like, what the F?
	Like, you know, even through text message, it was like, I don't swear him, like, nothing.
	Like, it was like, what the F, like, all this stuff.
	And that was when I was just like, why didn't the F did you not show up?
	You know, what did he say in response?
	He was like, I'm really tired and I've worked all day.
	I'm really busy.
	I'm like, oh, well, you're acting weird and you've been acting weird for the last couple of days, but we were fine this morning.
	Like, you know, I don't understand.
	And he's like, I'm just really busy.
	And then that's when, like, I was about to say more things and literally just spit everything out.
	The thing is that there was people around me, so I didn't want to look absolutely crazy, crazy, because I, you know, I don't want that.
	But like, that was when he was like, oh, well, I have a long drive.
	And so that's when I hung up on him before he could say anything else.
	Yeah, that's valid.
	That's very valid.
	Yeah.
	Well, at the very least, it's very perturbing.
	Yeah.
	I felt so bad about that.
	Did he?
	This is not perturbing.
	This is a minor slight that was blown out of proportion.
	I will grant that he should have given you more notice.
	He made a mistake.
	I think you blew it out of proportion.
	Then it escalated into full-blown catastrophe.
	It's kind of weird that you guys haven't had a subsequent follow-up conversation.
	We did.
	Friday.
	Oh, you said you guys had no conversation.
	No, no, we had the call.
	We had the call.
	No, no, no.
	That was yesterday.
	So this was like last week, last Thursday.
	That was the call the next day.
	He texted me at like 3 p.m.
	And I wasn't really expecting him to call me anyway or text me because I was like, okay, well, we both, you know, need that space anyway.
	And so then he texts me.
	He goes, yeah, like I just can't do this.
	Like, it has nothing to do with you.
	Like, you know, I just can't put, you know, I just can't put the energy and the time.
	Like, I feel really bad that I can't make anything at all.
	Like, you get mad at me and it makes me feel bad.
	So it's just like, I just need to limit all distractions, which is true.
	He does work a lot.
	I know he does because we have the same schedule.
	So that's why it's really hard for us to see each other.
	So I was like, okay, you know, and I was like, what made you come to this conclusion of like just wanting to end things?
	And I was like, was it last night?
	And he was like, it's a lot of things.
	And he's just like, I'm just not prioritizing my work.
	I feel like I'm not making it on time to work and all this stuff.
	I'm, you know, he got promoted.
	So congratulations to him.
	And he was like, I'm going to be traveling, all this stuff.
	And so it was just a lot of conversation.
	And so I came back calmly, wrote him a whole thing of everything that I had to say.
	And, you know, I apologize for being really mean to him that night.
	And I was like, I should have came to you in a different way.
	I was like, I had a lot of things going on in the back of my mind and I just wanted you there.
	And so we ended things on a good note in a way.
	But yeah, his last message was like, I'm distancing myself from friends, you, everything I need to focus on my career.
	And I never responded to it.
	Yeah, that sounds like a breakup, but had you guys hung out earlier that day?
	No, we saw each other.
	No, we saw each other two Mondays ago.
	No, two Saturdays ago, actually.
	Oh, you guys are seeing each other once a week before that.
	So you guys are slowly distancing yourself.
	Yeah.
	And we were like, we were already, you know, it was really hard because I was out of town, then he was out of town.
	Then I had to go do this.
	He had to go do this.
	So we didn't see each other three weeks before that.
	Then we saw each other, I think, like one or two times before this happened.
	You said this is what occurred was perturbing?
	If I were in her shoes, I'd be perturbed.
	I would definitely.
	How do you define perturbed?
	What is perturbed?
	Perturbed.
	Being irritated, annoyed, bothered by the situation.
	Sure.
	Let me Google this.
	You're underselling other people.
	Come on, Merriam-Webster.
	Pull through.
	Perturbed.
	Okay, unsettled.
	I thought there was a bit more gravity toss to perturbed.
	Do you think it was abusive?
	No.
	Do you think it was abusive what he did?
	No.
	Okay.
	Just checking it.
	Just a dick move.
	Dick move.
	Yeah.
	I think it's a dick move to invite a guy to a dance with somebody.
	Come on.
	It's really fun, though.
	It's fun.
	She doesn't dance.
	She doesn't dance.
	I've been talking about it.
	I've been all right.
	Guys, guys, guys, one person speaking at a time.
	It's not like a normal dance recital like with ballet.
	Like it's like more hip-hop.
	It's fun.
	It's kind of like watching step up.
	Yeah, I get wow.
	Like the step up.
	Step up.
	Yeah, it's like the movie Step Up, like that type of dance.
	It's like fun.
	I think guys.
	Is it like sexual or damage?
	Straight guys go all the time.
	Like there are so many straight guys there.
	Straight guys.
	They are.
	Like there's no dance on the straight.
	Like this is where it's professional dance.
	Like the people that go on tour with artists.
	If you're not a straight guy, and if you're not a dancer.
	He does like watching dance though.
	Like I'll be scrolling.
	He's like, this is really cool.
	Like he wants to learn.
	Like he wants to learn.
	Oh my God.
	No.
	He's like trying to break dance.
	Guys are generally not interested in this.
	He is though.
	That's how we bonded too.
	Okay.
	Let me ask a super simple question.
	Do guys lie?
	A lot, but not like this.
	And if a guy wants to sleep with a woman, do they often lie to get laid?
	Like, look, I'll put it super simply.
	Have you ever liked a guy, but he had a particular interest that you really liked him, but his interest, you weren't super interested in it, but you feigned a level of like, oh, that's cool.
	But you're like deep down, you're like, eh, not really that interested.
	But you're not going to like be a dick about it.
	No, I told him video.
	Okay.
	Well, then fine.
	All women are perfect.
	Men, women never flatter men in any capacity.
	Men absolutely, like, as a guy, you're not going to.
	You're not going to, oh, you're a dancer.
	Wow.
	I have zero interest in that.
	As a guy, you're going to be like, oh my God, that's really cool.
	What kind of dance do you do?
	Oh, that's so sick.
	That's fair.
	Guys are not going to be like shit on your hobby or your passion because it's going to tank their chances.
	Yeah.
	So, truth be told, your boyfriend or guy you're seeing or whatever, or I guess you guys are broken up now, probably has like next to no interest in dance.
	He's just like interested in you and he's feigning interest in dance.
	So when you guys say straight guys have interest in dance, no, it's because you guys like dance and the guys are going to be like, straight guys like dance.
	Yeah, some straight guys.
	I go to school.
	They're dancers.
	No straight, like straight guys are not like, oh, wow, I want to go into a dance thing.
	What?
	No.
	They just want to build stuff and geek out over things.
	Knock it down.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's normal.
	Anyways.
	Sorry to break the news to you.
	And I think it's on its way.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, right.
	We got moving on.
	But thank you for sharing all that.
	You were very open with all that.
	I appreciate it.
	You know what?
	There's a lot of guys who do dance, though.
	Maybe not.
	All dancers hit her up.
	Wait, you wouldn't date a dance guy?
	I won't.
	What's wrong with the dance dance?
	Absolutely.
	They're gay?
	No, no, no.
	No, it's literally because they could be dancing with another girl and I don't want that.
	But you can be dancing with another guy.
	I don't even watch it.
	No, I don't want that.
	It's just like, I don't want to feel like I'm competing with my person at all.
	No, I don't.
	Don't you dance with other guys?
	Double standard.
	That's it.
	But then why would then wouldn't it be the case that a guy could dance and not dance with other women?
	Fucking your tee a little.
	I just wouldn't want to date a dancer.
	I've tried.
	It's terrible.
	Everyone knows each other.
	It's like, oh, well, I don't want to go to that class because they're going to be there.
	Like, I've been through that.
	I've never seen a male break dancer dance with women.
	Have you?
	That's like, that's not the way you're referring.
	Yeah.
	I don't think.
	No, I don't know.
	Well, I guess there's different forms of dance.
	Yeah, there's different dance.
	I've lost dance classes because the guys I've been dating.
	I understand.
	What's wrong?
	What's wrong with the guys who do dance?
	Well, no, sometimes they're like really weird or like, or like some dancer guys are like one of those guys who dance with every girl and are like, they're just my friend.
	They're just my friend.
	But like, just big ego.
	Yeah, big ego because they're like, oh, I can dance.
	Like in poplock, and it's like, okay, like trying to compete with yeah, it stops being a their age.
	I'd rather not be the same.
	And it starts to be a competition.
	It's tricky.
	Yeah.
	Can't be tricky.
	Oh, and he was a, he's a car, he does cars stuff.
	He works, he works with a car company.
	I'm not going to say the name.
	Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
	But he does a lot of things.
	He does a lot of things to make money.
	Like, he wait, is it like car sales, car maintenance?
	Uh, car sales.
	Car sales.
	Yeah.
	Like a car guy to go to a dance, a hip-hop jazz dance thing.
	What were you thinking?
	Of course, this was a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.
	Of course.
	I just wanted support.
	This was a train wreck waiting to happen.
	Save that, you know, save it like a year down the road.
	Yeah.
	You got to wait a little bit.
	Okay.
	I think it's too soon to get the guy to go the dance thing.
	Did you expect it to be a train wreck kind of pre expect it?
	I was mentally prepared for it.
	So it kind of turned out the way you expected almost.
	So it kind of.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you go to any of his car things?
	He doesn't have any.
	Okay.
	He's got nothing.
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	No, you go up to the lot where he works.
	You're like, I'm looking to buy a car and like listen to his sales pitch and then give him some pointers.
	He probably loves.
	I'm not doing that.
	No, don't do that.
	Don't do that.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	So I am currently single.
	I've been single for about six months now.
	My longest relationship, you know, I too am in Gen Z and have fallen victim to situationships.
	I had a situationship on and off for about three years.
	We officially dated for about a year.
	Yeah, that was my longest relationship.
	Sorry, you said a year?
	Three years on and off.
	One year official girlfriend title.
	Okay, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with her.
	Oh, okay.
	Dun dun.
	Dun dun.
	Woman.
	Okay, so you're bisexual.
	I am bisexual.
	Okay, I see.
	But I will say that I believe it was mutual.
	Have you ever had a long-term relationship with a guy?
	Yeah, about a year.
	But you know, I am young.
	I'm only 20.
	So that was back in high school.
	And how real can that be?
	You know, it's kind of like puppy love.
	And I still give it its credit and its flowers.
	It felt very real, but it's different when you're an adult and you have a career and job and school and so many other factors to think about.
	Okay.
	Do you have a you lean more so one way?
	So I don't.
	I get that question super often as a bisexual girl.
	It honestly changes based on who I'm interested in of the season.
	If I have a crush on a girl, then I obviously feel more gay.
	If I have a crush on a guy, then I feel straighter.
	So I would say that I'm pretty 50-50.
	Yeah, it kind of just depends who I'm interested in at that current time of life.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My relationship status is single.
	It's very cut and dry.
	There's never been a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
	And probably for the foreseeable future, as I finish my last year of high school.
	Keep it that way.
	Good for you.
	Priorities.
	Grind.
	And nothing.
	Nothing.
	There's been nothing.
	No dates.
	I've never gone.
	Never even held a guy's hand.
	Yes, I brought that up last episode.
	I never even held a guy's hand.
	Never had my first kiss.
	Good for you.
	Purity.
	There's many firsts to love purity.
	Are you going to college?
	There's actually a blush.
	There you go.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	My longest relationship was about five years on and off throughout high school.
	How many times on and off?
	How many times on and off, like twice.
	How long have you been single for?
	Since April.
	So I've been single for about like a couple months now.
	Sure.
	Was that the five-year one?
	No, no, no, no.
	Three months ago?
	No, the five-year one ended in 2022.
	2022.
	Yeah.
	Oh, in 2022, you were 18 then?
	Yes, I was.
	So this was like a junior high high school.
	Yes, it was.
	Okay.
	Five-year high school.
	You were what?
	We were engaged.
	Oh, you were engaged?
	Yeah.
	Male or female?
	Male.
	Okay.
	Are you bi?
	Yes, I am.
	All right.
	Are you pan or bi?
	I'm bi.
	I didn't even know you were engaged.
	I'm sorry to interrupt you, but she's my friend.
	You're funny.
	You know what's funny is that I was wearing the engagement ring the other day.
	I'm so indebted.
	I wear it all the time.
	It's the one I always wear on my finger.
	I'm not wearing it right now because it's getting clean.
	I told you about that.
	My bad.
	He bought an engagement ring.
	Yeah.
	You didn't give it back?
	Why would you?
	I wouldn't even give it back.
	Technically.
	I still talk to him.
	We're still friends.
	He has a wife now.
	Well, actually, technically, legally speaking, engagement rings.
	Are supposed to be given back?
	Well, I mean, if they don't press it, like, they do have a legal claim to getting it back.
	Okay.
	He never asked.
	But if he, he's like, that was kind of embarrassing.
	Yeah, he never, well, he never asked for it back.
	If the engagement's off, who cares?
	Okay.
	Because what are you going to do with the ring?
	I'm just like, what are you going to do with the ring?
	Like, are you going to give it to another woman?
	If I was another woman and I found out you gave me an engagement or you gave to some other person, I don't know if we could get married.
	I'd feel a little like second choice.
	I'm very pumped.
	All right.
	And you said you've been single for three months.
	So were you, what was the thing three months ago?
	Just short term?
	It was, you could call it short term.
	Some stuff happened.
	Like, we got together like a little bit before my birthday, which is in March.
	And then he got into a motorcycle accident.
	And yeah.
	I was like, I was like, which one is she talking about?
	Yeah.
	And he like broke his pelvis, his shoulder, and like his legs.
	And like, I went to visit him in the hospital.
	We had a couple instances in the hospital where like things got a little heated and we had some miscommunication.
	And then he ended up like getting out the hospital.
	He was really distant.
	And then he ended up breaking up with me kind of abruptly.
	It wasn't, I wouldn't call it a like good breakup, only because like when he broke up with me, he texted me and was like, I can't do this anymore.
	Wait, how long are you guys together?
	We were together for like a month.
	But like I've, but like I've known, but like I've known him for like years.
	So like, so like I wasn't mad that he broke up with me.
	Nothing like that.
	Like I wasn't like mad at that.
	I was mad that like after he texted me, he was like, I want to call you to like do it officially over the phone.
	I think you deserve more than that.
	And I was like, cool.
	So I call him.
	He's like, I'm on the phone with my mom.
	I'll call you back after.
	The like day goes by.
	I text him like, hey, when are we going to call?
	He's like, oh, I can call you at 9 p.m.
	And at this time, it's like 9 a.m.
	So I'm like, okay, call me at 9 p.m.
	9 p.m. comes around, never calls me.
	I text him, nothing.
	The next day, I'm like, hey, I'm not mad at you that you couldn't call me or anything, but please don't dedicate yourself to something that you're not going to follow through on.
	Like, I just don't appreciate that.
	And then he texted me like this whole long thing about how like he doesn't owe me anything and that he doesn't want to cater to me and that I'm probably cheating on him.
	It was like this really like big thing for no reason.
	And then he was like, you made a big mistake.
	I'm just so confused because wasn't he trying to call you to like talk about your breakup?
	So why?
	Exactly.
	I remember showing you those texts, and you were just like, Yeah, I don't miss this one.
	Yeah, we don't miss this one.
	Wait, so you guys were together for a month, but you'd known each other for friends or like friends, yeah.
	Okay, and he initially texted you the breakup message, but then he wanted to do a phone call.
	Yeah, when you say you knew each other beforehand, though, what was the experience?
	Um, we met on like a set for one of his like short films that he was doing, and we just like connected and like became like really close friends from that.
	When you say close friends, what does that mean?
	Like, kind of hooking up, but also we're friends, like we're hooking up, but like, you know, we're still homies, like and then it was official for one month, though.
	Yeah, he like so.
	From the point of the first time you hooked up to the point of when it became official, how long was that?
	Like a year, a year, yeah.
	So, you guys were hooking up for a year about hmm, but you said you were only with him for a month, yes, sir, officially, officially.
	I mean, I would count that whole year, but I wouldn't count that whole year because we didn't go on dates that entire year.
	Like, I feel like boyfriend, girlfriend, you're going on dates.
	Yeah, it was more, I would say it's friends with benefits because it's not like it's not like we were going on dates and like the incentive because you said, well, you weren't going on dates.
	If the guy is getting the hookup, like what is the incentive to then transition into taking a girl out on dates after he's like he's already getting the sex?
	I just don't understand.
	Like, he just really likes me.
	I guess some, you know, I think some of you guys want a more emotional connection.
	Yeah, some guys just want sex.
	Some people want a person, though.
	Yeah.
	Someone they can.
	Okay, so that gives it, because I was about to say, you guys were only together for a month.
	A text is would suffice.
	What suffice for me?
	I think a text is fine.
	Yeah.
	But you've been fucking for a year.
	You've been fucking for a year.
	That's probably like phone call or in-person territory.
	Although, at least maybe I want the panel to win on this.
	I kind of think, even if it's been a year or two, just do a text.
	Yeah, I was personally.
	What do you guys think?
	Just a text.
	I think it's circumstantial because we all live very busy lives.
	Like, sometimes I'm not going to be in the same city as my partner, and maybe our time is wrapping up.
	I would rather not string them along or them not string me along.
	And it's just, if we're not feeling any type of way, let's just rip the band-aid off.
	I do see the element of respect in trying to have an in-person conversation, but I also feel like our generation tries to force closure.
	Like sometimes things are just over, and that can just be a text and we can all move on.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And I think that, I mean, me personally, at least from my, if a girl's breaking up with me, I think even if I've been dating her for two years, I'm okay with the text.
	I'd be okay with the text.
	Now, if I had further questions, I would appreciate it, but I'd probably just be like, okay with the text message.
	Be like, all right, whatever.
	This isn't working out.
	Sorry, I'm not sure.
	I think in-person is better for me.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, it's like if the relationship's coming to an end, why is a conversation?
	Yeah, especially given the circumstances of like, he just got out the hospital.
	It's like one of those things of like, okay, that I can definitely understand why you're like, you're still learning to like walk.
	You're doing PT.
	You have stuff that you have to do.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And like for me, I wasn't mad that he sent the text.
	I was mad that he said he wanted to call and then ghosted me all day and then didn't do the call like he said he was going to.
	I guess the breakup was probably a good thing.
	Yeah.
	It was just like, I was just mad that he insisted on this stupid call and then didn't do it.
	Shouldter get off the pot, bro.
	Yeah, like, like, okay, you already texted me.
	What do you want to call for?
	I'm surprised none of you are actually giving me more pushback on my been dating for two years.
	The two messages.
	Because sometimes it's just a text.
	Text messages is okay.
	I mean, no, I don't think it's okay.
	Yeah.
	Is it about this?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But, like, what if you get the text and they're like, yeah, I just want to be friends.
	And then they try and like hook up with you.
	Do you feel you can be friends with that?
	Does it really end?
	No, it's over.
	I know it's like it's over.
	Yeah, because I don't feel that way either.
	You know, I understand having this emotional connection to your ex, but I don't know.
	I've tried to do the whole being friends with your exes thing, but it never works.
	Someone always like feels more emotionally invested than the other person.
	And it's just, I don't know, Tara Yumi and Jake Weber.
	I don't know how you guys do it, but I don't think that it's super sustainable, honestly.
	And that's the thing, too, with the whole like text message thing.
	The reason I'm okay with the text message when we're ending our romantic relationship is because I can look back on our romantic relationship with so much fondness.
	But when that chapter is over, you know, I'm on to the next book.
	If our story's over, I don't know.
	I feel like I'm trying to force it if I continue to try to be friends with my ex because you have all that history and those memories.
	I don't know.
	Me personally, I don't think maybe we can be acquaintances.
	Like if we work together on like different sets, like that's totally cool.
	But I don't think I could truly be good friends with an ex.
	I mean, I think it should be, things should be amicable.
	Like it shouldn't be, if possible.
	But I'm not keeping tabs on them.
	Yeah.
	We're not hanging out.
	We're not kicking it as friends.
	Clean cut.
	It's over.
	But going back really quick to the texting as a breakup measure, a little surprised here because I've heard a lot of women say they want to have that conversation.
	Maybe more so if the woman's the one getting dumped than if they're doing the dumping.
	I pride myself in, you know, I have many positive traits, characteristics.
	Many one of which I'm very humble.
	Humility.
	But I did think of a unique trait that I do have.
	I'm very easy to break up with.
	Interesting.
	Kind of like a, you know, a weird one.
	I'm very easy to break up with because, you know, whether it's been one, two, three dates or we've been dating one, two, three years.
	You know, because look, some women might have like safety concerns with a guy they're seeing.
	Oh, is he going to kill me or some shit?
	You know, what the fuck?
	Is he going to be angry?
	So, you know, sometimes some men can be scary.
	But look, to be clear, most men, you break up with them, it's going to be fine.
	But like, maybe you guys have had a situation where even like a guy you've been on one date, two dates, three dates with, they lose their fucking mind.
	Absolutely.
	They lose their mind.
	And you know what's weird?
	I've had this experience with women where I tell them, and I try not to ghost.
	I try not to ghost, although sometimes I jet, why are you laughing, Nick?
	What the fuck?
	I try.
	But I actually, you know, I've had experiences where I'm like, I should have ghosted because I try to do the right thing.
	You try to do the right thing.
	And you're like, you know what?
	I'm a caller.
	I'm going to do it in person or I'll send a text.
	And I'm always very polite.
	I'm like, you know, hey, listen, it was really nice meeting you.
	I just don't think we really connected.
	I don't know if it was the right match.
	I wish you nothing but the best.
	Super polite.
	And they lose their fucking mind.
	Lose their mind.
	And they could just be like the previous text they sent me was, I had such a great time with you.
	Want to see you again, blah, blah, blah.
	And then they're like, You're a fucking piece of shit.
	I don't even want to be with you anyway.
	You're fucking ugly.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	This shit, right?
	I'm like, What the fuck?
	I was trying to be the nice guy.
	Do the not ghost you.
	Right.
	And then I do the thing, and then they lose their mind and they use it.
	And then they'll push.
	They'll be like, well, why do you want to stop seeing me?
	This.
	And I'm this right here.
	No, but I'm like, look, listen, I have made my mind up.
	I don't really want to dive into it.
	Sometimes I'll tell them.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes I'll tell them.
	Sometimes they deserve it.
	But if it's something that's going to hurt their feelings, it's like, you know, like if it's something about the way they look.
	They're leaving.
	If it's something like that's going to give them like long-term insecurity, I'm not going to say it.
	But if it's just something like, oh no, you watch the Kardashians or something.
	I don't know.
	Something stupid like that.
	You should disclose in the text message, hey, I could have ghosted you, but I'm doing a really nice thing.
	No, that's not.
	Right?
	And it's exactly what I would do.
	I try to, if they push it, but no indeed goes unpunished.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	But I've had girls lose it.
	Yeah.
	They lose it.
	And so sometimes I think I'm kind of like, you know, ghosting is sometimes valid.
	Especially for women, sometimes y'all have like, this guy could be fucking crazy.
	Yeah.
	I can see that.
	In some situations, I think ghosting is acceptable.
	I think you can, at the very least, if you send a clear-cut breakup text message or you want to end things message, you've been on one, two, three dates with this person, whatever.
	Oh, yeah.
	You send a polite message and they push it.
	I think then once you've made a clear boundary, not a boundary, but you've made it pretty clear, like, hey, this is over.
	I think you can ghost from there if they're trying to pull it.
	If they're trying to push for an argument, so also, wait, I had something for this.
	But yeah, I'm very easy to break up with a girl can say, oh, Brian, I don't think, you know, this is not the fit.
	I'll just be like, okay.
	I guess that comes from experience.
	It's nice meeting you.
	You know, look, when I was younger, I'd probably just not even respond.
	That's kind of a dick move.
	You know what?
	She's ending things.
	What?
	I don't owe her.
	Yeah, you don't.
	No, you don't.
	Oh, her if she's ending things.
	Yeah, no, that's fair.
	But if I've been dating her for a while.
	I'm mind for sending me a text.
	All right.
	Sometimes you try to end things and then they show up at your job and then you can definitely smell alcohol on their breath because they didn't even, like you know, lock up their bike properly.
	And then you know you're trying, like hey, like you're being a little loud, and you know, you try to call the police and you're like yoink, and then they break your phone right over their knee.
	All right, that happened to me last week, but it can happen sometimes.
	It does happen.
	Sounds very hyper-specific, I might.
	I might be a bit bummed out, you know, but Yeah, yeah, I'll just be like, I'm not gonna lose it.
	I'm just gonna be like, all right, well, hey, it was, I understand it was nice meeting you.
	Yeah, but it's not going for the episode.
	I understand that.
	It's a great quality to have.
	You're easy to.
	I look for that in a woman.
	Yeah.
	Because I want some stock or like I break up with a girl and I feel trapped in the relationship because I'm like, oh shit, she's going to like.
	And I kind of wonder if you break up in person, if it kind of leaves the door open.
	That's what I was going to say.
	How do we say that?
	Because when you're breaking up in person, you're seeing facial cues, all these, like, even kind of the hint of maybe it can kind of work out.
	You just don't know.
	Hold on.
	I am.
	Wait, wait.
	But I've always broken up with my exes in person.
	I just find it as a respect factor, especially two years of a relationship.
	I'm not cold like that.
	But if I sent a text to a girl who I've been seeing for two years, I think she'd justifiably be upset if there's a text.
	Of course.
	But I think maybe what everybody could do, if you're okay with the text, like first date, be like, by the way, if this ends up working, I give you permission to just dump me over text message.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Dump me over text message.
	I don't need to like, I'm going to go meet you at the mall.
	Yeah, so you can just, I don't want to drive to the mall to be broken up with just text me.
	Literally, don't waste my time.
	Don't wait for us.
	Oh my gosh.
	When it comes to breaking up in person, I actually, you know what?
	The best sex is don't break up with me, sex.
	So I might have to reconsider myself.
	Very earnest.
	I've done it.
	Basically.
	Gentlemen, if you're considering breaking up with a girl, maybe do it in person.
	Bring her back.
	Because she might be like, you might think it can be awkward.
	The best sex is don't break up with me, sex.
	Oh, God.
	Trust me.
	Trust me.
	That's kind of fun.
	I mean, that'll do it.
	Just start to choke them.
	Yeah, like I'm going to do that.
	Sorry.
	If you've categorically attracted not-so-good guys, aggressive alcoholics or something kind of crazy, they might have a crazy streak.
	I can understand some distance.
	In my case, I've never attracted bad guys.
	You know, they were fundamentally good guys, but just not for me at the time.
	So it's just a respect factor for me.
	I understand.
	All right.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else on the ghosting thing and breaking up.
	No, I think that's pretty much it.
	Relationship status.
	I am currently engaged.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Of course.
	To my fiancé of six years.
	It'll be six years this week.
	Yeah.
	Congratulations.
	You've been together six years total.
	Yeah, we were.
	We met in college.
	We met on Tinder.
	What a love story.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	We did a situationship for about a year and then made it official almost a year to the day.
	So this is your longest relationship?
	Yes.
	Any other relationships besides this one?
	I had one in high school.
	I was a junior in high school.
	We were together for about two years.
	After I graduated, we decided to end things just because we're going to college and I didn't want to do a long-distance relationship.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am married.
	Okay.
	We've been together nine years and we've been married for eight.
	We.
	Is this your longest relationship?
	Yeah, this is my longest relationship.
	Second longest, I think, would be actually with my first son's father.
	I have two boys.
	Okay.
	That was a shit show.
	Wait, so you have two kids?
	Yes.
	Two sons.
	Two sons.
	One from your you said first marriage or first relationship?
	Well, he did propose.
	That was a shit show.
	It should have never happened, honestly.
	He played music.
	We were caught up in the moment.
	You know, it is what it is, but it didn't, it didn't last long.
	Wait, so let's do a bit of a timeline here.
	How old were you when you started dating the baby daddy?
	Yeah, 19.
	19.
	How old were you when you got pregnant?
	19.
	How soon into meeting him did you get pregnant?
	Oh, gosh.
	I think we were seeing each other for like maybe three, four months.
	Not my best hour, not my finest at all.
	And then, so you, and then at 20, you gave birth, I guess.
	Yeah, I had Jude at 20, and then when he was, yeah, as like Jude Law.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, hey, Jude.
	Hey, Jude.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Gosh.
	So, how long did you stay with him?
	Two years, max.
	Okay.
	Does he pay child support?
	He's supposed to.
	What's the custody arrangement?
	I believe the papers say it's supposed to be 50-50.
	But so just for background, we met.
	I'm from Maryland.
	We met in Maryland.
	The whole thing happened in Maryland.
	I met my now husband in 2016.
	We got married in 2017, moved out to Kansas.
	So now I'm a Midwestern gal.
	And he's never been out, not once, to see him from Maryland to Kansas.
	He insists that we need to go there because it was never his decision for me to move out to Kansas.
	Pretty sure that's not legal.
	No, it's not.
	If you have a 50-50 custody arrangement, that's actually very true.
	What's not legal?
	You're not fucked.
	Yeah, what's supposed to be.
	It's also a good idea.
	Wouldn't it be not legal if you have a 50-50 custody arrangement for you to move your child to a different state?
	That's why I'm not going to get it.
	Hold on.
	When it comes to the legal culpability here, I actually think she's in the wrong way.
	Usually you would be wrong, Brian.
	Well, if you have a 50-50 custody arrangement, one of the parents can't unilaterally move the child to a different state.
	Now, I don't know the specifics, but you do have a 50-50 custody arrangement.
	When you were living in his state, was he seeing the child?
	Sometimes.
	Okay.
	But so did, was there a court order granting you permission to move states?
	Yes.
	So you did go to the court and asked to move?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, that's all on the board.
	Just to be clear, definitively, you did this.
	You went to the court?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He didn't dispute this?
	So was he?
	He didn't like it, but I mean, also.
	Well, hold on.
	Wait.
	How did you.
	Wait, if there's the 50-50 in place, basically what had happened was they altered the agreement to where, like, you know, he's supposed to go there for summers and then, you know, Mike's supposed to come out here and, you know, well, out here, out to Kansas to see him, but that never really happened.
	Yeah.
	So, and also, it got to a situation to where it was like, ah, you know, are you, are you good?
	Like, are you okay?
	Like, I'm not going to send my little kid out there, you know, to be in a potentially, you know, not so great situation.
	So I erred on the side of conscience, of caution.
	So you breached the custody agreement.
	So is he?
	How so?
	Because he doesn't come out and he doesn't, he doesn't partake in his visitation rights.
	But I'm a little confused.
	You were initially in breach because you were alienating.
	I was not in breach.
	Well, when you were still living in the state that he was living in, you were preventing him from.
	Didn't you just say that you thought in your determination that things with him were shifty, so you didn't send your kids to the business?
	No, by the time I got out here, so wait, okay.
	Oh, the custody arrangement.
	What do you understand?
	Custody arrangement is when you moved here, the kid would go to him in the summertime.
	For example, and then he's also supposed to come out here to visit.
	Like, there are times when he's supposed to come out here to visit, come out to us, and he hasn't.
	I don't think that's.
	And now, I mean, honestly, there's really not much of a relationship with it.
	Yeah, he's usually up to the parents.
	I want to do 50-50.
	That's how it has to happen.
	Not necessarily the summer every time, right?
	So, yeah, and I don't, it's been years since I've looked at our court papers because now, like, you know, he's older, he's almost 16, so and they don't really have much of a relationship now that way because my son's like, no, how long ago did you move?
	Oh, gosh, like eight years ago.
	Okay, so initially, though, when you were contemplating this movie, I sent him out, huh?
	I sent him out to visit, man.
	No, but before you moved, when you were contemplating the move, you said from Maryland to Kansas.
	He, the father, was against the move.
	Was he fighting the movement?
	He didn't, he didn't like it.
	No.
	Because he didn't want to fight it.
	Why did he not like it?
	Well, because we were moving.
	Which would mean what?
	Which would mean that he didn't have access.
	Okay.
	So did you take into account what the father wanted?
	Yes.
	But you decided to move anyways?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He's not a safe individual.
	Okay.
	Is there like a.
	There's stuff.
	Like a.
	Yeah.
	Has he been arrested for like DV or something like that?
	Maybe not DV, but definitely violence.
	Towards you?
	The cops were called a couple of times, yeah.
	Were you violent towards him?
	No.
	Okay, so there.
	Wait, hold on.
	There either was or there wasn't domestic violence.
	There definitely was.
	It was a toxic relationship.
	It was not a great relationship.
	Okay, were you guys living together?
	Okay, was the violence reciprocal?
	Not really, no.
	Okay, so he was arrested a couple times?
	He was arrested for assault, but not on me.
	This was on the U.S., no.
	Hold on.
	He was arrested.
	He assaulted a stranger in the street.
	Who did he assault?
	He's technically in a mall.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let's rewind a bit here.
	Did he ever put his hands on you?
	Yes.
	Okay, and the cops came.
	Yes.
	Was he arrested for that?
	No.
	It was like right around about then that I was like, this is probably not a great situation.
	So I called my folks and I left.
	Okay.
	We lived in the same neighborhood.
	I mean, at one point, he lived right around the corner and still was not very involved.
	Okay.
	So you guys were like punching each other or shoving?
	What was the nature of the physical conflict?
	It was a long time ago.
	What I remember is that he choked me and I fell back and hit my head on the floor.
	Okay, so you guys were having an argument and you guys were separate, like standing far apart from each other?
	Yeah, our apartment was like maybe the size of like.
	A small apartment.
	Okay.
	So he walked over to you and choked you like this?
	There was a little bit more to it.
	It was like I said, it was a long time ago, so I don't remember all of the details, but basically I think it surrounded like, you know, like was it a BJJ rear-naked choke?
	Kind of like a choke slam?
	Yeah.
	A choke?
	Well, he's a strong guy then.
	He chokeslammed you.
	Like the Undertaker.
	Yeah.
	World WWF.
	But what triggered that?
	That's what I'm kind of curious about.
	I don't quite remember.
	Yeah.
	I don't quite remember.
	Because that was a long time ago.
	It does.
	We felt just out of curiosity.
	It was a very, very volatile relationship.
	So, like, he would get mad if other people were looking at me and he would generally project that on to me.
	So.
	Can I ask?
	And I don't mean this in any type of way.
	And I'm, you know, happy and proud of you for getting out of that situation.
	I'm sorry you lived through that.
	But when you were in that situation, because I have had friends who have been exposed to DV as well.
	At that point in time, did you excuse his behavior and like lie to the cops?
	You know what I mean?
	Or were you like, okay, I recognize that this is a problem.
	I need to get out of it.
	Or were you like, oh no, like he just gets like this sometimes?
	Yeah, a little column A, a little column B, you know.
	Again, 19 was not my finest hour.
	You're young, you know.
	Complete, complete idiot, really.
	And at the time, it was like, you know, this is my son's father.
	I should probably try and make this work kind of deal, you know?
	And then like there were substances that happened to find their way into our house.
	And then, you know, just it got from bad to worse.
	Yeah.
	And it became like a situation to where like, this is not good.
	This is not normal.
	I need to go because I have a baby.
	And if he can put his hands on a female, then he could put his hands on a kid.
	Not that he ever would, I'm sure.
	I'm sure.
	He's got plenty more kids now.
	But it just, it wasn't, it was not a good situation.
	And it wasn't, we weren't, we weren't exactly equally yoked either.
	Got it.
	So, you know.
	And I know you mentioned, you haven't looked at it in a while, but you do technically legally have a 50-50 custody arrangement.
	You also mentioned that he's not very present in your son's life at this point.
	At the very moment, he's blocked.
	Okay.
	Because he started talking about like some flat earth stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	Some neo-nauthors.
	Yeah, he's a little like disconnected from reality.
	He is a little disconnected.
	And I know I have not talked to his mom recently.
	Okay.
	But I believe my son has talked to his mom recently.
	Yes.
	He is currently, I think, in the midst of a divorce.
	I see.
	In the midst of like not living in the home with his current wife of two kids.
	So.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Are you planning at something?
	Are you okay?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's super interesting.
	But he hasn't made it a big deal legally at all.
	The fact that he's not super close currently with I don't think that he would know where to start really anytime that there was like a court case like I started the picture.
	I started the custody agreement because at the time that we broke up You know, we were both completely and totally entitled to our son.
	Right.
	He could have come at any time and been like, hey, I'm just going to take my kid and head for the hills.
	He didn't, thankfully.
	But before it got to that point, better safe than sorry, you know.
	And I mean, I really wasn't trying to take his kid away from him.
	If anything, I was like, hey, like, it's your weekend coming up.
	Right.
	Oh, I got to work.
	Right.
	I'm not available.
	He went out to visit one of the first summers that we lived in Kansas.
	And I think, God, he was only like, Trude was only like maybe seven, eight years old at the time.
	So he's still kind of a little mini kid.
	Yeah.
	He went out to Maryland.
	And from what I understand, he spent more time with his grandparents.
	Oh, well.
	He spent time with his father.
	I understand.
	You know, but his father also didn't have a car that was legally his.
	I see.
	Sometime in 2014, 2015, I remember he was in a really, really bad accident, like where he flipped the car.
	And I have my suspicions on what happened, but of course, he's not going to tell me anything, honestly, about it.
	But yeah, no, just not good.
	Not just that's like the precautionary tale.
	Yes.
	Is to like know when a guy doesn't show up for you.
	Yes.
	Know when a guy is not trying to commit to you.
	Don't have a baby with that person.
	Don't even like give them the time of day.
	But yeah, no, it was one of those things where it was by the time I realized just how it was, it was too late.
	So how did your son handle this?
	Because it's got to be really hard on him not to have his biological father.
	Like how did he handle it?
	So I met my now husband when Jude was like six.
	So he's been around.
	That is dad.
	Okay.
	He is dad.
	I got it.
	Like.
	But going into his teenage phase, he's kind of going through that identity.
	Does he yearn for his biological father or he's completely blocked?
	Because he knows he's kind of full of shit.
	Yeah.
	And did he ever resent you for whatever choice you made in that situation?
	No.
	Okay.
	Definitely not.
	Can I ask?
	Because I know that you mentioned you were basically in charge of arranging the custody agreement because your baby daddy didn't.
	Charge is a really weird way to put it.
	Well, you initiated that process because he was wearing.
	Can I ask why you didn't push to take full custody knowing his violent history?
	Because I know you want him to be.
	It's not enough.
	Okay.
	I think to really like, and I really didn't want that.
	If anything, like, I wanted him and still, I would love for him to step up and be like an actual like living, breathing human being.
	But from what I've seen, and I'm not a doctor, but he exhibits a lot of like narc traits.
	Like, it's, it's really more about like, like, having access to what he wants.
	And if he doesn't have access to what he wants, he loses shit.
	I see.
	Or like, you know, will blame other people, blame any other thing.
	Does your husband and your baby daddy have a relationship at all?
	No, okay.
	Sorry.
	God knows.
	Question though.
	You know, people oftentimes, in any sort of dispute or conflict or disagreement, there is a tendency for people to do this thing where they downplay or omit their own culpability in a situation or what they did wrong in a situation.
	They exaggerate or fabricate the ways they acted rightly.
	They exaggerate and fabricate the ways the other person on the other side of the conflict acted wrongly.
	And they downplay and omit the ways the person on the other side acted rightly.
	My question to you is then, what does he say?
	What is his position if he were to articulate his position on the conflict?
	Is he just going to say I 100% agree with everything that she says?
	I'm a piece of shit.
	What would he say?
	Oh, God, no.
	No, he would say that I am a horrible person for taking his child away.
	That none, that none of what I'm saying is true.
	He would probably also say something along the lines of me being a complete bitch.
	And he would be right about that.
	I am a complete bitch.
	So real.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, okay.
	Well, that's everybody's relationship status.
	So you have two kids, two different fathers.
	How old's your youngest?
	Five.
	And that's from your current husband, is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you're married to him.
	You've been with him for nine years.
	Yes.
	And that relationship is good.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	That's good.
	So good.
	Good to hear.
	All right.
	So we're going to move on to we have a React.
	I want to wait until chair number two is back, though, to do that.
	So let me do a couple things here.
	By the way, guys, super chats are fucked.
	They're foobar.
	But we do have Stream Labs.
	Display is 10.
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	Mutamike 500.
	Pop a ball of champagne, 1,000.
	For one Ethereum, we'll pop a ball of crystal.
	$500 bottle of champagne there.
	Although.
	Has anyone ever done that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we've had some Ethereum pops.
	Let's see.
	You can hide that.
	And I want to thank somebody.
	No, actually, no, we're good on that.
	All right, we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes then.
	Where was it?
	What was it that I wanted to get into?
	One sec, guys.
	We talked about being easy to break up with.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	For those of you who are single, though, quite a few of you here are single.
	Do any of you have a roster?
	Yes.
	Yes, ma'am.
	I love ma'am.
	I'm the roster queen.
	I would say a free spirit.
	And I look forward every day to hearing her.
	I look forward every day to hearing her stories of whoever it may be because it's always someone new.
	And I'll be honest, it's kind of hard to keep up with, but she keeps my life exciting.
	Yes.
	You lost a nail, by the way.
	Hey, you're not supposed to point that out.
	I did lose a nail yesterday.
	Rip.
	R.I.P. R.I.P. for the nail.
	We find nails after the show.
	Oh, really?
	It didn't happen here, I promise.
	It happened yesterday.
	Kind of, yeah.
	So, okay, now that you're back, we're going to get into our first thing that we're going to react to.
	So, guys, on Twitter, on X now, I guess, there was a recent major drama, major drama in the right-wing e-girl trad thought conservative community.
	Oh, I know what it's going to be.
	I know what it's going to be too.
	Ringate.
	Yes.
	So this conservative influencer girl named Sarah, she was dating a guy, got proposed to, and she posted a photo on X of her ring, which we're going to pull up right now.
	So it's going to be the first one.
	Not the TikTok?
	No.
	Alright.
	All right.
	So the first one is from Sarah.
	So she says, I won.
	That's her in a field of flowers or some shit with a ring.
	Good for her.
	Congrats.
	Congrats, Sarah, even though she, I guess, there wasn't a beef, but she talked some shit about me like months ago, whatever.
	But I want to preface this by saying I actually mostly pretty much side with her, even though we have some like beef, whatever, I don't even care.
	Beef months ago.
	No, I mean, she talked some shit a couple months ago on fucking X, even though she's like, she's been on the show, so not a big thing.
	But despite that, I just want to say I'm siding with her mostly on this issue.
	She says she's one.
	I think she's 21, 22, engaged, whatever.
	Pearl, Pearl, I don't know if you guys know Pearl.
	She's also been on the show.
	She writes, hottest right-wing e-girl taken off the market.
	Parentheses, conservative women will always use their marriage and family to build their brand.
	Now, Nick, scroll down for me, if you will.
	Oh, you're going to make us smaller.
	Make us smaller, please.
	To which Sarah responds: once you stop getting ran through by black guys, it could happen to you, too.
	So, I guess some context here.
	Pearl, who I think is in her mid to late 20s, she likes black men.
	She really does.
	Hey, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	She likes black guys.
	But Sarah made it a point to point that out.
	Now, but it continues.
	It continues.
	Pull it back up.
	Next thing is.
	Next thing.
	Next thing.
	And then this is another.
	We've had all these girls on the show.
	That was a good idea.
	We've had her on the show two times, two, three times.
	She says, why is it so small?
	We're not going to focus in too much on that, but I saw it.
	So kind of throwing a little shade there next.
	Okay, now this is the same one.
	Somebody responds to what Pearl said, though.
	Somebody responds.
	Not just Sarah responds.
	Scroll down.
	Oh, Emily.
	Okay, this is kind of conservative lady, but not really.
	Kind of like that.
	Actually, she's a slut.
	She actually talks about it on her page.
	We'll get into that.
	But the ring size, I'm dead emoji.
	So she's like, wow, insulting the ring, right?
	Next one.
	Next.
	So, Morgan, if you skip to the bottom there, Morgan, who another conservative, I guess, influencer, you give it up for free, ho.
	This is in response to Emily saying the ring is small.
	Might want to sit this.
	Actually, Ellie, you're going to read the girl from the bottom, Morgan's tweet.
	Okay.
	You give it up for free, hoe.
	Might want to sit this one out.
	And then read Emily's.
	Morgan, your baby daddy abandoned you.
	You're raising a bastard child.
	But yet somehow, some way, you think you're better than me or anyone on this app?
	You gave it up for free, got left in the dust, and now post RageBait on X to supplement the inadequacy of your monthly child support payments.
	What is this?
	She just got engaged.
	That's it.
	Next.
	Read this one.
	None of that is true, Emily, but unlike you, I don't lie.
	So here are some facts.
	You got fingered in the middle of a hotel lobby at TPUSD's event while everybody watched and there were families around.
	Damn.
	Okay, next.
	To which Pearl Davis responds.
	Morgan, you are a single mother with a public video admitting you have HPV.
	You may want to sit this one out too.
	Read the next one.
	Jeez.
	You suck black dick and probably have AIDS.
	Wow.
	I'm saying this.
	I love the way that you're here.
	There's one more next.
	Oh, it's better.
	Oh, yeah.
	She did some video.
	Can you read caption?
	How do you guys expect that?
	Just read the whole thing.
	That's fine.
	It's going to be hard to be a trad wife when your man can't even afford a ring.
	How do you guys expect to have a house, land, multiple kids?
	BFFR.
	I hope y'all enjoy working.
	Sorry, I'm MIA in the Hamptons.
	You know what?
	Can you actually do the rest in a valley girl accent?
	Conservative men need to stop being broke and gaslighting women like we don't deserve diamonds and rings.
	So you want me to give up my job, my career, my financial independence, push multiple babies out of my body, cook, clean, be loyal, and a loving feminine wife forever.
	And y'all can't even afford an ice ring for us.
	Get the fuck out.
	Just admit, y'all literally don't like women.
	All right, I think there's one more.
	Well done.
	Well done, Leonard.
	Oh, and then so she got, oh, read this in the value.
	Women just hate other women, and it boils down to jealousy.
	That simple.
	Is there one more?
	Tab over?
	Oh, that's it.
	Okay.
	What a mess.
	Yeah, quite a mess.
	Quite a mess.
	That last one, though, she was like a couple days before being all catty about the ring.
	She was saying women are just so jealous of each other.
	Amazing.
	So anyways, there's a lot there.
	Any reactions?
	And I think maybe I'll start off by saying this.
	You know, sometimes we get into conversations on the show and women say something along the lines of, you know, if women ruled the world, there would be no war.
	Look at that.
	I don't know about that.
	Not possible at all.
	I think we are more emotional than men.
	I feel like men can be very emotional.
	And I don't think that's anti-feminist of me to say that.
	I think we have different horrors in reality.
	I agree with that.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	100%.
	So what do you guys think?
	You think, was the ring too small?
	It's a ring.
	I know.
	She's engaged.
	Why are you winning?
	Pearl's not winning anything.
	As someone that just got engaged, I do feel like that's a pretty, pretty shitty thing to say.
	I think the size of the ring should never be the sticking point.
	I think it's how much love and effort you put into the relationship.
	My fiancé and I, we chose our ring together.
	However, I would have accepted anything because he's my man.
	So I don't, I can see why she said it because I think it is kind of, what's the word?
	I think it's the way she staged the picture.
	Like, it's just like her, like, having your hand in a field of flowers.
	You're not looking at the field of flowers.
	You're not looking at the ring itself.
	You're looking at what's behind the ring.
	Like, if you wanted the focal point to be the ring, I feel like it should have been on a more like.
	I think it was pretty much the center of the game.
	She has a photo of her engagement, right?
	Yeah, it's there.
	You know?
	If you see a hand in a picture like this, it's I'm looking for the ring.
	Right.
	I feel like it's different styles, though, different tastes.
	Yeah.
	Never mind.
	I just think that's why people were saying it was small because like compared to the field, it was like a carrot ring.
	That's kind of just an objective truth.
	That's not an insult.
	That's just an analysis.
	You know what I mean?
	So we don't know what her tastes are.
	Maybe that's her perfect dream ring.
	And that's great.
	Well, she's also, I think, pretty young.
	I think she's early 20s.
	Yeah, she is.
	So I assume the girl boyfriends, probably young.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I here's my side with Sarah.
	Go ahead.
	Here's my issue with Pearl.
	I've had an issue with Pearl for a little while.
	I find her to be highly masculine.
	She's not feminine a bit.
	She walks and talks like a football player, you know, and she kind of goes around and she gets her talking points from Kevin Samuels.
	And I always supported Kevin Samuels.
	And she kind of goes around asking people to rate themselves, but on a scale of one to 10, what would you rate Pearl?
	And she's kind of the head of the red female talking point of the red pill move.
	So I don't support her.
	She kind of doesn't emulate femininity at all.
	I mean, I put her in the same camp as like, who are those guys?
	Fresh and fit.
	Like, there's the red pill space.
	Yeah.
	And then there's the people that LARP in it.
	And she's a LARPer.
	She's actually like the people that are like living the values.
	Right.
	You know, absolutely.
	Also, I think we spend entirely, entirely too much time on the internet.
	And we put entirely too much credence on what we post on the internet.
	Like, I guess building a brand, sure, but like not everybody needs to be a bad person.
	Marriage is a brand.
	Marriage should be a brand.
	That should be popular.
	I don't think everybody needs a brand.
	Yeah.
	Well, I have a question because I don't know who these people are, to be completely honest, but I was very entertained by that little discourse.
	I'm assuming that she is a content creator.
	I'm assuming lifestyle, maybe political, because you mentioned she's conservative.
	She's political, yeah.
	Okay, but she posts about her life, right?
	Like, I don't know, if you're getting engaged, obviously, you're going to post about it.
	I don't know if it was valid for that other woman to be like, oh, you're making your marriage a business.
	This is for your brand.
	Like, no, this is just something that happened in her life and she's sharing it, right?
	Yeah.
	That's how I see it.
	I already see it.
	I feel like, you know, I feel like, regardless of if she was a content creator or not, she still would have posted the picture of the engagement right now.
	Yeah, just like Facebook or whatever.
	I think just the backlash she got for it was horrible extreme.
	I agree.
	Yeah, but it was like fueled by other things.
	Oh, yeah, but it kind of is open.
	It kind of goes to show the issue with the conservative movement.
	The women are highly feminist, but in such a level where they can't, you can't even say they're conserving anything.
	There's nothing traditional about conservative when most of them.
	But that's why I left the conservative movement because I noticed this.
	You know, they're willing to do degenerate things, promote, wear bikini shots, look like OnlyFans models online, but they profess to be against it.
	They're doing the exact same thing.
	So I don't support them at all.
	I don't think I've heard that take before.
	That's super fair, though.
	Yes, from what I understand of you, so far, you just align yourself with traditional, which is what conservative women preach, but maybe don't necessarily consistency is what I appreciate.
	And there's a total lack of consistency with their message and how they dress and what they talk about, all that.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	I mean, ultimately, look, I think she just posted a picture of her hand and a ring.
	I don't think it's a big deal.
	No.
	Probably either ignore it or congratulate her.
	Yeah.
	Say congratulations.
	I think I heard some criticisms.
	They're like, well, why are you like the caption, I won, why aren't you posting any pictures with the husband of the, you know, why aren't you posting a picture together?
	Maybe, I don't know if she's public with the guy, though.
	So I've seen a picture of him, but she's kind of private about it.
	She's maybe private.
	That's a good thing about her.
	It should be that because she's not in a safe arena.
	Yeah, she's out there.
	She's very, her views are very people.
	It's not a popular view that she carries.
	So it makes sense.
	For sure.
	And I mean, but Pearl initially, her initial criticism wasn't the worst.
	It was, but then when Emily came in with the ring size thing, and then well, I mean, look, Sarah responded to Pearl.
	Probably not the most, well, I guess that's on brand for Sarah.
	Like with the sucking black dick comment.
	Probably, I don't know.
	A little women will escalate shit a lot.
	Like y'all will go nuclear.
	Totally.
	Like a person can slightly do something wrong and you're just going to like murder them.
	Some things can hit a nerve.
	Amazing how that works.
	Figuratively.
	Absolutely.
	Whereas I feel like men are a bit more proportional in their sympathy.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, but they're logical.
	Like the guy more.
	Not to say that guys can't go nuclear.
	Of course.
	And when I say go nuclear, this is what I mean.
	I mean, if somebody calls me a stupid doo-doo face and then I tell them that their mother never loved them, that's like an escalation that's a bit, you know, it's a bit.
	You know, it's like I would give a proportionate response.
	Well, you're, you're a butt face.
	That's proportion.
	You know, you're a doo-doo face, but you're a butt face.
	But like, somebody will just say, oh, you're, you, you're a doo-doo face.
	Well, your mom never left you, and I hope you die.
	Like, that is that's the y'all women sometimes, not all the time.
	Somebody go nuclear, you'll escalate that shit like crazy.
	We will hit you.
	Of course, is it bad that it sounded like to me that you just won the conversation?
	It sounds like you just ended it.
	Oh, if you just go nuclear, I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	End it.
	Dating is funny.
	I live for the bit.
	I do live for the bit too.
	Yeah.
	We're going to.
	Was there something else?
	Oh, there's a.
	Oh, really quick.
	We'll just do somebody's TikTok.
	One of you has a TikTok that I saw.
	Make it full screen.
	No audio reminder on that.
	I'm out of storage, but tag me and I'll repost it on TikTok.
	I'm like just scrolling.
	Yeah, it's yes, Ready.
	I don't think I even have one too.
	Oh, gosh.
	What's this?
	Oh, are we reacting?
	You can just.
	Yeah, sure.
	I best friend.
	I mean, you can just play it.
	My best friend matched with a man on a dating app, and we thought it was a party, but it turns out it's a dating couch to see who.
	So, can you explain that?
	What happened?
	Okay, so I actually misinterpreted the entire situation.
	He was a dating coach, and I heard couch.
	So I already posted the video, and I was like, whatever.
	I was like, I'll just leave it.
	And I guess he saw it, but you can explain the story because I was just not there at all.
	I just was like, I'm gonna just post something.
	I misinterpreted on my end.
	I'm the friend.
	Wait, so it was a you matched on a dating app?
	I wasn't me.
	Oh, you did?
	She posted the video.
	I was the one it was about.
	Okay, so you matched with a guy on a dating app?
	And he invited you to like a film shoot or something?
	Like, I don't meet up with guys solo for the first time.
	It's like, you need to be in a public space.
	Like, I don't trust you.
	I don't want to meet up with somebody I don't know for the first time.
	Like, I need it to be very public or like around a double date or something, just in case like something were to happen.
	So he was like, oh, just come to this party.
	And I was like, okay, yeah, sure.
	He was like, you can bring a friend.
	And so I went and it was like, I don't know, 15 girls on a couch and two guys there.
	And I was like, is this a party?
	And he was like, yeah, it's a party.
	And I was like, this doesn't look like a party.
	And he was like, yeah, we're just going to go around and like do icebreakers, get to know everybody.
	And then he was asking dating questions.
	And I had, I know, like, I knew a few girls there.
	And I was like, oh, like, how do you know him?
	And they were like, oh, dating apps.
	Like, we sleep with him.
	And I'm like, did you, like, what's the point of this?
	Like, so I texted him and I was like, hey, what's going on?
	Like, why did you invite me here?
	Like, is this where you just try and find a girl for the night?
	Like, what's going on?
	And he basically was like, oh, come down to my bedroom and like talk.
	And I was like, okay.
	So I like confronted him outside of the circle.
	And I was like, hey, I know this girl.
	She has beef with this girl.
	She did this to my friend.
	Like, what is going on?
	And he kind of explained, oh, I'm a dating coach.
	And I just try and figure out situationships with women and try and coach them on their dating skills.
	I try to coach men on their dating skills.
	And I just like, I'm trying to find somebody.
	And he was like, you just intrigued me.
	And like, I'm just like, bro, like, I'm not.
	I'm not the type.
	What the?
	Stop.
	So, what was the message on the dating app?
	He was like, like, he tried to get me to hang out multiple times.
	And I was like, kept blowing him off.
	And then he was like, oh, like, I get your uncomfortable meeting up solo.
	Like, do you just want to come to this party?
	I'm having this party at this mansion.
	And I was like, okay, yeah, fine.
	And then that was the idea of the party: to like just find a girl for the night.
	And it was just like really weird.
	Yes.
	Was it like all it was all girls that he slept with previously?
	And I was like the new girl.
	Oh, my God.
	Was he expecting a sexual experience?
	All of you guys?
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Was he expecting something more between all of the entire group?
	I think he said they do those parties like every week, and he like has those girls there every week and they're just friends now.
	And it was just very weird because one of the girls like slept with my roommate.
	Oh, and my whole situation shit.
	Also, her situation shit.
	It was just like, I don't even want to be here.
	And he kept inviting me over afterwards, and I just didn't go.
	I was just like, sorry, like, take the hint.
	He still reaches out, but I'm just like, no.
	It's giving cold.
	No, it was a cold.
	Like, I swear it was a cult.
	Because we walked in on one of the meetings that they had.
	It was like him doing his coaching thing with all these guys there.
	It was like a hundred guys.
	Oh, I wonder what I can say.
	Yeah, it's like a key ditty party.
	You don't have to, but.
	Okay.
	That's kind of weird.
	I guess it's like a little bit of a broken.
	It's like a ditty party.
	Yikes.
	Something's going on there.
	Is he Wolfie?
	Ellie, can you read this one?
	The hag next to Brian says her son doesn't resent her for stealing him from his father.
	At 16, I didn't either.
	But trust me, once he learns how women behave writ large, he will.
	And you will lose him.
	Do you have a response to Inquisitor Zeal?
	Thank you, man.
	Learn how to tie it, my guy.
	Yeah.
	Do you have a response to what he said, though?
	Let's see.
	I am raising my son to have a mind of his own.
	So, I mean, if he wants to later on have this in-depth relationship with him, I'm not stopping him at all.
	Okay.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	We're going to go into some of the pre-show notes that you guys had sent in before the show.
	Starting with Paulina.
	Yes, sir.
	All right.
	Tell us about here.
	Why don't we start with the disagreements first?
	You said you disagree with the red pill movement, encouraging established men to date much younger women in their 20s.
	Yes.
	What's the age gap you have an issue with?
	It's not, it's, well, here's the age gap.
	They're at totally different stages of their lives.
	So, you know, men, when they reach an established point of their life, they really worked hard to get there.
	They really had to build from the ground up.
	So, if we're talking about dating women, you know, in their 20s who have nothing to lose, they don't even probably know who they are or care about the guy enough to value him or of that.
	She can take him for everything he has.
	It's actually a liability to his well-being to bring such a young person into his life romantically.
	And imagine even procreating by that point.
	She has more of an incentive to take everything from him.
	So, I think with myself, for example, in my 20s, I didn't really know who I was.
	That's why my relationships at the time didn't work out because I was figuring myself out.
	But I couldn't imagine getting married and bringing kids into the situation.
	I was a liability at the time.
	So, although in my 20s, I was more, let's just say, because it's true, you're more attractive, more physically fit in your 20s.
	So, physically, I had more of an appeal to a guy, but emotionally, I was not able to give him what he wants and to fulfill his needs.
	In my 30s, I'm not as attractive as I was in my 20s, but my mind's in a different place, completely different place.
	What needs do men have that you can fulfill in your 30s, but not tradition?
	Tradition is a very simple blanket term.
	So, you were not, I thought you said you were always traditional.
	I was, but emotionally speaking, I had issues, you know, so I wasn't able to fulfill the duties of tradition as opposed to now.
	I don't have those issues.
	What issues did you have?
	I just had like depression, I had an identity situation, I didn't know what my purpose was, all these different things, but little did I know my purpose is very simple.
	You know, in my mind, what my purpose would be, you know, what I want is to be married and have kids because that's my legacy.
	That's all that matters, you know?
	So that's what I look to fulfill, and I'm ready to fulfill that and to be an asset, not a liability.
	Okay, I see.
	But assuming, like, if it is the case that for some men, they have this preference for dating younger women.
	What, I guess, what is your objection there?
	Because you say you disagree with whatever they prefer, they can fulfill that on their own.
	It's not necessarily against what's an innate preference, but just something for them to think about.
	It could be a liability for their well-being.
	That's my purpose.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But you can't stop them to do what they want to do.
	So you're saying, well, you're saying a young woman can be a bit more of a liability than an older woman.
	Oh, yeah.
	Older woman?
	Oh, yeah.
	Here's the thing.
	It's the mindset makes a difference.
	My mind in my 20s is nowhere compared to now.
	I'm able to, I understand my place and I want to fulfill that.
	But in my 20s, I could not actually articulate that.
	So at the time, I could take somebody for everything they have.
	I'm not saying I would do that personally, but it's possible.
	But you could still take somebody for everything that they have.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	Right.
	But I just think, again, it's just more of a sketchy situation with younger women.
	And also biologically, our prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed till we're like 26, 27.
	That controls your decision-making impulses.
	So I see where you're coming from.
	Oh, yeah.
	And my issues at the time, I would never guess I'd actually get out of it, but I'm so far out of it and I got the light that I'm like, oh, wait, everything's okay.
	The light matters.
	The light really matters.
	It really does.
	The light?
	What do you mean?
	The light matters.
	What is that?
	Just seeing the light is in the issues that you had in the past.
	It's like, oh, wait, they're gone.
	I don't have those issues anymore.
	I actually overcame them on my own and took accountability.
	So.
	What do you think about the notion that women, younger women are more mature than older men?
	So like my partner and I, I'm 25, he's 32.
	When I met, I was 18, he was 25.
	I felt like emotionally and maturity-wise, we were at the same, not the same, but like a little bit closer in level than like, you know, you don't have a big age gap.
	It's not that big.
	I'm talking like a guy in his 40s, 50s dating a 20-year-old.
	That's a really big age gap and really a different life cycle.
	I agree with you, though.
	I think that women tend to mature quicker than men, just to generalize.
	My mom always said that.
	She always told me to kind of go for older guys because guys take forever to mature, it feels like, you know, so yeah, I think that obviously I think that there obviously is a power dynamic when you are dating someone who is older than you, especially as a woman.
	What?
	There's a power dynamic?
	What do you mean?
	I think that, well, you know, you're an 18-year-old girl compared to a 25-year-old guy.
	He has, his brain's almost fully developed.
	You're still figuring life out.
	He has like seven years of life experience on you.
	I think that there can be a power dynamic.
	Yeah, but I don't know why we just.
	But you agree, some people mature at different points.
	Yeah, I totally do.
	I just, I'm just saying it's something to acknowledge.
	Not that there's anything inherently wrong with it.
	Okay.
	Because I do think that, I mean, you guys are engaged.
	Clearly, it worked out.
	You know what I mean?
	And I also, my most recent ex was like five years older than me.
	I think that there's levels of maturity.
	And also, I also think like what women want nowadays, like the stability, the financial freedom, is you're going to find that an older man not dating someone that's the same age as means that we just don't.
	We're just financially, there's just no way.
	Yeah, you're in different stages of life.
	Yeah.
	I noticed men after 30.
	I'm sorry, but I notice men after 30, they really start figuring themselves out and they kind of just age like fine wine after that.
	That is true.
	So it's kind of like, oh, they really are more established.
	It's very attractive when they get to that point.
	Let's go back to this power dynamic thing, though.
	What I don't really get what that means and what the implication is there.
	Like, are we just supposed to acknowledge that there is a power dynamic, but go ahead and date the person anyway?
	No, I think it's something to just be mindful of.
	Yeah, what does that mean, though?
	Yeah, I think what I mean, let's say I'm an 18-year-old girl and my boyfriend at the time is 25.
	I think that there may just be a controlling element in dating somebody who is a little bit more established in career in their life.
	That's something to be mindful of.
	That's all.
	Look for the red flags.
	Don't wear rose-colored glasses.
	That's all that I mean.
	I mean, that's true in any situation.
	Don't wear rose-colored glasses, take them right off.
	But like, I mean, if you're 18 and you're dating a 25-year-old, like, you don't think that's inherently a little like you really don't, you don't think because I don't think in every situation it's weird that a 25-year-old guy is dating an 18-year-old.
	I don't, but I think it does raise the question: why aren't they dating someone their own age?
	I think it simply raises that question.
	And it's a discussion.
	There's obviously like a connection there.
	Okay.
	You know, and I mean, if you're 20, if you're 25 and you're dating someone who is 18, I think it's weird, honestly.
	Yeah, as a 25-year-old one at the time.
	Finish your point that you can go.
	If you're 25 years old.
	It's what?
	It's what?
	You're 25 dating 18.
	It's what?
	It's not weird for one.
	If you are a guy and you're 25 and you're further along in your career, you want to date somebody that you're interested in that's 18.
	I mean, you could lay the groundwork for you guys building a good life together.
	It's not grooming.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	That was a groom.
	No, it's not.
	She's 18, 25.
	That's.
	Wait, hold on.
	Is teaching your partner your likes and dislikes and vice versa?
	Is that grooming?
	That's not what she just said.
	I feel like I put words in my mind.
	She said, laying the foundation of a life that they could have together.
	Is grooming?
	Would that be grooming if it was people of the same age?
	Maybe it'd be grooming if he was 25 and she was 16.
	That's laying the foundation of value.
	Yeah, we're talking about adult relationships.
	I think it's just an element to consider.
	I would like to hear your point, though.
	As a 25-year-old, I would never even look in the direction of an 18-year-old.
	I think that's absolutely disgusting.
	They are barely legal.
	Yeah, women's preferences are different, though.
	Would you say a 35-year-old?
	No, I wouldn't.
	Because I think it's weird.
	Why are you interested in somebody that young?
	Can you not find anybody your own age?
	Is nobody interested in that?
	Well, so that's an interesting argument you make.
	So you're saying, oh, well, these older guys who prefer to date younger women, they do that because they can't find women their own age to date.
	I would argue, though, that a guy who's attractive enough to date a younger woman is going to be deemed attractive by the women in his own age, also.
	Because as a woman or as a guy, in order for you to be attractive to a younger woman, you can't just be the average 30, 35 year old guy.
	Nobody's saying they're attractive, though.
	Most of the time, when a younger woman dates an older man, it's for money.
	No, not necessarily.
	It can be.
	A 45-year-old dating a 25-year-old, it's usually going to be for money.
	We can keep bumping the age gap, but like, for example, the 20-year-old with a 30-year-old, don't necessarily think it's because of money.
	It could just be that guy's really attractive and he wants to date a 20-year-old and she wants to date a really attractive guy who has his shit a bit more together than like the other college frat boys that she's dealing with.
	I think it's a later.
	I think it's circumstantial.
	And to your point, all I'm trying to say that makes me, you know, raise an eyebrow at a 25-year-old dating an 18-year-old girl is you commented on about it yourself, how you feel that you've matured and learned so much now in your 30s versus your 20s.
	I think that not everybody is at a high level of maturity at 18.
	And I think that some guys know that, and there could be room for exploitation in those.
	But that's not the case.
	I don't know why you're gasping.
	I think holding the expectation that there's always a sense of exploitation is a problem because I don't think that's the case.
	And it's not a big age gap.
	What would you say about women 25 dating an 18-year-old?
	No, just is that kind of off too?
	It's kind of weird.
	I think I truly believe every situation is circumstantial, but I think that I've met incredibly immature 18-year-olds and I've met incredibly mature 25-year-olds that I think would not make any sense together.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, but there's kind of a sense what you're framing it with exploitation.
	It's going to set it up for failure.
	It's kind of the lack of trust.
	You're starting with that.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, and it can cause a problem going forward.
	And I don't think guys, most of them have that sort of intention with women.
	The majority are not really like that.
	It's just something to think about.
	Something to think about.
	I'm not trying to generalize.
	I don't know.
	It's just, you know, something I would consider.
	Yeah, go for it.
	Yeah.
	As somebody who was 18 and dated a 25-year-old, I'm just going to input real quick.
	I completely get what everybody at this table is saying.
	I get what you're saying.
	And like, when I was 18 and I was dating a certain 25-year-old, like, sometimes it would feel more of like a mentor student type thing instead of a relationship.
	Not because like he was trying to purposely put me down or anything, but because he had knowledge that like I just had an experience yet.
	Sometimes when we would talk about like my issues or my problems, he would more come to it of a standpoint of this is what you need to do.
	And I know better because I'm older.
	Yeah, you're right.
	So I completely, yeah, I completely get what you're saying.
	And like, equals, what do you mean?
	Well, like, she just like, like, in the, in the sense.
	Who's giving her advice?
	What's wrong with that?
	Well, I feel like you're misconstruing what she's saying.
	It's just I heard everything she just said.
	Yeah, he has more life experience.
	That's all.
	Isn't that a good thing?
	I was just saying that sometimes, like, like when not saying I don't want advice from my partner, but there is a fine line between getting advice and telling me what to do.
	And she was saying it was something that I was talking about.
	Sometimes, sometimes when we would talk about stuff or like, or like he would give me advice on things, it would feel more of a mentor, mentee type thing.
	Versus we're in a relationship boyfriend, girlfriend type thing because it didn't feel like he was giving me advice.
	It felt like he was telling me what to do because he had these life experiences.
	Did you have the conversation of like, hey, when you say it this way, when we have these conversations, this is how it makes me feel like we did have that conversation multiple times and he just like wasn't giving me a message.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	What's the conversation you had?
	Like, for example, like a conversation that I had with him was I was preparing a scene for class and there was like a trigger warning in it that I wasn't particularly comfortable with.
	And because we were picking the scenes, I was a trigger warning.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I'm not going to say what the trigger is.
	That's no, no, no, that's fine.
	Just trigger warnings.
	Okay.
	But he like, but like I told him, I was like, I feel like since we haven't turned in the scene yet, I'm going to talk to my partner about switching the scene because I'm extremely uncomfortable with this role.
	And the way that she's portraying it is just making me uncomfortable.
	And the way we were talking, and like the way he was talking to me, he was like, he was like, well, in the industry, you're not going to be able to change your scene.
	So if you already picked it, you should just do it because in the industry, like I'm, because in the industry, they're not going to let you change it.
	And all I was trying to explain to him was, hey, we haven't turned in the scene yet.
	It's not like it's set in stone that I have to do it.
	We have three more days to pick a scene.
	If I can pick a scene before then, I'm going to choose a different scene.
	And he was just like, and he was just like, I just think it's stupid that you're not listening to me because if you already chose the scene with your partner, I don't think your partner is going to want to change it.
	And what are you going to do if your partner doesn't want to change it?
	You're still going to have to do it.
	So you should just do it now.
	You should just learn how to deal with it.
	Because in the real world, you're not going to be able to do that.
	I don't know if that's an age thing as more as just his personality.
	Like, do you see what I mean?
	And it felt like he was telling me what to do and more of like he wasn't giving me advice at that point.
	And I have a question for you just because I also have been like in a little age gap relationship.
	I was 20, partner was 25.
	I experienced some people who didn't even bat their eyelashes at that, but I also did experience some people who they thought, why?
	Like, it's a crazy age gap.
	So I am just asking you, did you experience any of that in your personal life when you got with your partner?
	Speak straight into the partnership.
	When you got with your partner, sorry, I'm trying to make eye contact with her.
	I understand.
	I, at first, yeah, especially when I brought him home to my parents, they're like, oh, he's a little older, but I think I've kind of set myself up to like want an older partner in general.
	Totally.
	So I kind of already had the mindset going into that.
	Like, yeah, like you said, like, it could be a little bit of a power dynamic just because he's a little older, a little more established, and I'm not.
	I'm just starting my life like that.
	I get you on that one.
	Yeah.
	That's all I was trying to do.
	You know, I was thinking about this the other day, this power dynamic thing, and how older guys supposedly have more power in a relationship because of like material, either material or they're more mature.
	But I was thinking, like, I think there's this unspoken power dynamic that exists between somebody who does have power and then somebody who doesn't.
	So, for example, and this would be somebody who has less to lose.
	So, like, let's say there's somebody really famous dating a nobody.
	We would say, okay, there's a power dynamic that exists here.
	This person's really rich.
	They have status, influence, whatever.
	And they're dating a nobody.
	That's a power dynamic.
	But I was actually thinking the power dynamic exists in the other way.
	Because here's this person who has a reputation for themselves.
	And if this other person comes out and tries to destroy this other person's reputation, well, reputationally, that can't really go both ways because you don't have a reputation to ruin.
	But many women ruin famous men's reputations all the time.
	Sometimes justified, oftentimes, just he broke up with me.
	I'm upset.
	Let me just ruin this dude's reputation or put stuff out there, you know, whatever.
	And it's difficult when you're the person in a relationship who does have something to lose.
	It's usually never beneficial for you, depends on the accusation or whatever.
	Almost never beneficial for you to respond to it because you're giving oxygen to it.
	When otherwise, if you ignore it, you hope it just doesn't give it any oxygen.
	You just move on.
	But oftentimes, yeah, I think a lot of the times there's a reversal, a flip, an inverse of the power dynamic where the person who has less to lose can go scorched earth and completely just fuck a person over.
	And I guess one example I could think of this is like, let's say somebody has nothing going for themselves in their life.
	Like they could just, I don't know, they could cause drama.
	They could like make things public.
	And this is assuming like in a relationship dynamic, there wasn't anything, there wasn't abuse or anything like that.
	Just this person is bent out of shape because this other person wants to end the relationship or whatever.
	This person can fabricate things, could lie.
	So I don't know.
	This idea that I don't know.
	I hear you on that, but the reputation, I think if that person has the not as much reputation as the person that they're trying to attack, I think I would also think of like, does that person, I'm not trying to say this, like, would that person, would you give that person the time of day?
	Like, if you're a nobody and you're accusing or you're doing something, I'd be like, all right, this bitch is just going on.
	Exactly that.
	It's kind of like, I can see where you're going, but I think also the reputation or the power dynamics.
	Credibility, basically.
	You know, like, how likely are you to listen to that?
	And I hear where you're coming from, and that does happen sometimes.
	And they do succeed in their prerogative of destroying whoever it may be, whether it's for valid reasons or for not so valid reasons.
	But I feel that's an anomaly in the typical power structures of the type of relationship you're talking about.
	You know, like somebody extremely powerful who feels untouchable, like Diddy, to be honest, you know, and like that whole power structure with Cassandra and everyone else was involved.
	We don't have to get too into that, but that's kind of where my mind goes in the most extreme of ways when we're talking about that particular power structure.
	And this is a lot.
	I don't know the details of the Diddy case.
	There is alleged abuse.
	And in fact, I mean, he was caught on camera, right?
	Beating this woman.
	Yes.
	So it's not just alleged.
	I believe he did in fact.
	Yes.
	He wasn't on camera.
	Like actually.
	There was a reality camera.
	He didn't have it.
	Right.
	So, I mean, there's clear, irrefutable evidence, not just like he did this.
	No, it's on camera.
	Right.
	He did that.
	But I think the principle would still even apply then.
	You see someone like him.
	And of course, he apparently did do really terrible things.
	But there's just so much.
	His empire's done.
	Like, the dude's done.
	He might get off.
	He has to be able to do it.
	Right for you.
	We don't live in a system of justice.
	So I don't, I don't, he might have done it.
	I don't know the details about the case, but like reputationally, the guy's done for.
	I mean, totally done for.
	And I don't know if that's the great example, though.
	I'm not going to come to Diddy's defense.
	I'm trying to think if there is like a recent celebrity.
	Oh, God.
	I don't know.
	Aziz on Sari.
	So just like recover?
	Aziz Ansari.
	I don't know if you know him, comedian.
	This was at like the height of the Me Too movement.
	He went on a date with a girl and she me too'd him and the headline was, it was essentially, it was a bad date.
	Oh.
	Like there's everything was consensual, but she just didn't like the sex, I guess.
	And she went on and, but he kind of, it was at the height of the Me Too.
	He kind of got a little bit canceled a little bit.
	But you read the article.
	she just wasn't really feeling it you know but she accused him of rape no but she had consensual I think they had sex.
	It was consent.
	Well, you fucked Aziz Ansari.
	No.
	That's why I thought she got so excited.
	No, no, no, no.
	This made me think of something.
	Has anybody been following on TikTok the I'm in love with my psychiatrist, Kendra?
	Has anybody been following Kendra?
	There is this girl on TikTok.
	Wait, this relates to what you were saying, but she like has this like almost 30-part series about how her, how she's been in love with her psychiatrist and like everything that happened.
	And like as you're watching it, it's literally nothing.
	She's in Dululu City.
	Like she's like.
	She's like psychiatrist.
	Yeah, and she's saying stuff like there was this one example where she like she like was talking about doing in-person visits because they were meeting on Zoom and she was like, and she was like, oh, can I like have an in-person visit?
	And he was like, no, I don't really do in-person visits.
	I more do Zoom.
	And like her interpretation of that was, oh, he doesn't want me there because he knows that if I'm there, there's going to be so much tension in the room that we're just going to like each other's clothes off.
	And it was like, like, she was saying like stuff like that.
	And then she was like, the entire time he kept up his boundaries, he just couldn't let himself go with me.
	And like when you watch, you can tell that.
	Does none of it existed?
	Wait, is that what happened?
	Like, like, like what she's saying, it's just him.
	It's just him putting up boundaries.
	Like, like, he's not reciprocating anything.
	And she's saying it as she's like explaining.
	He's like, I love his boundaries, but like, he's in love with me and he's been stringing me along.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	But nothing she's saying is corroborating that.
	That type of behavior we need to get better at calling out, though, because that's like, yeah, people were.
	And then she turned off the comments, but I've been following him.
	I mean, the whole thing is like, I haven't kept up with whatever.
	And I just walked into this conversation, but it's her being in love with her psychiatrist, right?
	Yeah.
	So clearly she's mentally ill.
	That's like PhD.
	She's infatuated.
	Yeah.
	Sounds like it's bullshit for clicks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, it worked.
	It came in mind for you, babe.
	Have you guys seen this girl?
	She's on TikTok.
	She's gone.
	She's like a serial dater.
	And she goes on dates every couple days.
	She's not married.
	It's been a few years.
	She's been going on dates.
	And people are like, are you really dating or is this just fake videos?
	It's bullshit.
	Have you guys seen it?
	She's like in New York and she's dating multiple.
	She's going on this date.
	I'm going on this date.
	I would put money that she asked ChatGPT for like interesting videos.
	It might be something like that.
	The only person I've seen that's like remotely close to that is this dude named Ryan.
	Have you seen like the Hey Girl videos?
	Yeah.
	No, I haven't seen it.
	Yeah.
	Hey girl.
	He has like insane stories where like he throws parties at his house and like he hooks up with all these girls and like he goes on TikTok and like tells like story times about it.
	And like he does he does that too.
	But like sometimes I feel like he might be capping.
	Some of his stories.
	He's capping.
	The minute we started monetizing like bullshit on the internet is like the minute that we saw this steep, steep decline in like, I mean like it's it's insane.
	Nobody's I mean I try to get offline I don't even watch TV anymore.
	I'm not I'm not public.
	I mean I'm very private.
	In our culture, obviously rage bait thrives on social media.
	Before the clips everything's scary.
	People play character.
	Which is very interesting.
	But it's so hard to.
	I am a content creator and I don't know.
	Social media is just such an oversaturated market.
	I feel like how do you stand out without being authentic?
	I don't know.
	We're losing our authenticity.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	Bullshit.
	Yeah.
	I totally agree.
	But we're selling our authenticity for clips and monies and notoriety and celebrity.
	And it's like, you could be living, you could be living a much better life without all of that shit.
	Yeah, I mean, we weren't, humans weren't created to live this way, but that's our society.
	And, you know, I am simply a pawn in this game of life.
	No, you can do what you do because you can be an example to other people.
	I think.
	Can you elaborate on that?
	All right, anyways, move on.
	I'm just the hag next guy.
	Quick, quick couple chats here.
	Huddy, thank you.
	Looks like you purchased a t-shirt.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And then we do have Dross coming in here.
	Ellie, could you read this one for us?
	38 in dating.
	Most of the women in my age range are girl bosses, aka someone who doesn't need a man.
	How likely is someone to walk away when they've spent their life believing men are supplemental?
	Pretty likely.
	Yeah, just, you know, I think when you want to date a high-quality woman who doesn't necessarily need a man, you just need to try to make her life easier in whatever regard that means.
	What makes her high-quality if she doesn't need a man?
	Like, what are the characteristics that a high-quality woman has who doesn't need a man?
	This is me personally, and this is not affiliated with any political stance.
	This is just my mantra of life.
	I think that a high-quality human being is just someone who tries to be a positive impact on the people around them and who are passionate and driven and they're working toward their goals, whether they're going to school or they have an established career.
	They're just driven and motivated and they're respectful.
	But specifically a woman.
	Well, I think that applies to all people.
	I don't have a specific, oh, this is what women have to do to be high-quality versus men.
	We could have a conversation about gender roles if we want to get into that, but I think I'd have been more high-quality person if this commenter had something more specific in terms of the type of women he's talking about.
	I think I'm not about feminism at all.
	I've been anti-feminist since high school because it's really destroyed dating and getting married and having kids.
	Why do you think that?
	Because an unequal society is what I would call a safe society.
	What I understand about feminism, it's a civil rights movement in the West.
	I mean, it's kind of a global issue.
	I call it cancer.
	Because it creates, it placates off of the natural inclination for women to be corrupt.
	It's a very corrupt ideology.
	Did you read Rachel's book?
	Which book?
	No, then.
	Occult feminism.
	Occult feminism.
	No, no, I haven't.
	I'm probably plugging in.
	Yeah, she's.
	And the reason why I've been anti-feminist since high school, because again, I'm a problem.
	Hold on one second.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	What was I saying?
	Women have a particular innate capabilities that can make them very corrupt and manipulative.
	And I notice with feminism, it really magnifies that because it actually calls it a civil rights movement in the West.
	And it's a fake civil rights movement in the West.
	But it really just ends up becoming a big government situation, which is what most civil rights movements in the West is all about.
	It's not really about your civil rights.
	It's not an inequality thing because we have equal rights.
	But I'm at the point now where I'm like, less rights for women, the better, because it's actually becoming such a cancerous society.
	It's destroying family and tradition.
	And I'm very patriarchal.
	I appreciate that.
	I have this question.
	Oh, sorry.
	I want to hear it.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Before I let you come in.
	Yeah.
	You were making a face when she was talking about not liking feminism or whatever.
	Give it to me.
	A lot of you were actually grimacing, so I'll give you guys all a chance to State your disagreements, I guess.
	Yeah, I'm a content creator that focuses on fashion and beauty content.
	I support women empowerment.
	All my audience is women, like 80% of my audience is women.
	I'm very much for women empowerment, like making sure women feel like they should be able to be independent.
	They don't need a man.
	Like, they can have a successful job and career without relying on a man.
	A man should be able to support you and support your dreams and careers and aspirations without bringing you down.
	I don't think anybody technically needs a man to do any of that.
	I do.
	We need them.
	We need them.
	I think we do.
	You can want one, but I don't think a woman needs one.
	Like, I am financially independent, always have been since I was the age of 15.
	I've always had a job, always knew how to work, knew how to pay my bills.
	Like, I never needed any support from anyone, including my family.
	Like, I didn't need that aspect.
	So, without women's rights, like, are you saying that women shouldn't be able to be successful?
	Like, I want to be a successful woman.
	I want to be a girl boss.
	Like, I want to live my life the way I want to live it.
	I don't want it to rely on what a man wants me to do.
	Do you want kids?
	No, I don't.
	I want to be married, but I don't want kids because I'm just not a person that finds a need for, I just don't like children.
	I worked at an amusement park for a long time.
	I worked at a mall for a long time.
	Like, I just don't like kids.
	To be happy, like, I just wanted to say that literally the point of marriage is to have kids.
	To be fair, you can have a lot of people who are in the middle.
	I thought the point of marriage is to have a life partner.
	Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
	You can have kids outside of some people are in full.
	Oh, yeah.
	What do you think about that?
	You can have kids outside of marriage.
	You can stay with somebody for your whole life without marriage.
	But, okay, so you don't want kids, though.
	Yeah.
	I just don't see the point.
	I want to be happy with somebody.
	I want to have a partner that supports me through everything I do.
	I want to support them through everything that they do.
	At the end of the day, we build each other up.
	I personally want to, like, I want to have a wedding.
	Like, that is a fantasy of mine.
	Like, I want to get married.
	I want to have a wedding.
	See, you want to have the wedding.
	You want to have the marriage.
	Wait, oh, how's that?
	It's the fantasy.
	It's the show of it.
	It's the fantasy of it.
	It's the wedding.
	It's not the actual union of the mother.
	It's the convenience of it.
	Right.
	That's not what you're saying.
	You can still be a wife.
	You want to be a mother.
	Yeah.
	I want to be a wife, but I don't want to be a mother.
	Not all men want to be a woman.
	But you said the wedding is the fantasy.
	What about the marriage specifically absent your own desires?
	Like, what is the purpose of the marriage?
	Like, the supporting one another and having that bond.
	So you can have that absent marriage.
	But you said you don't need a man.
	I don't need a man.
	I can support myself while you want something.
	You can want something and not need it.
	Exactly.
	We want makeup, but we don't need it.
	I don't need it.
	To be honest.
	Sorry.
	That's the difference.
	Like, there's a want and then there's a need.
	I don't need a man to be who I am.
	I can want a man and I do want a man, but I don't want to be a man.
	Okay, who else disagreed with her?
	Do you disagree?
	I'm kind of on the same wavelength as her because it's like, I mean, I don't need a man, but I want one.
	Like, I moved across the country, like, by myself and found a place within two days.
	I didn't need a man to do that.
	Okay.
	Really quick, I just saw your tattoo.
	Can you shit?
	It's a heart and a Q?
	What is it?
	It's like Queen of Hearts.
	I thought it was like QAnon or some shit.
	Okay, that's cool.
	How does one become a queen?
	You already are.
	I would be surprised if you're not going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, I particularly am, you know, stuck on your claim that you think women should have less rights.
	Yes.
	What does that mean?
	I don't think they should vote.
	You don't think women should vote?
	Not at all.
	Women are, they make up a lot.
	You also don't believe that.
	I don't necessarily believe that women should tell you.
	I'm going to tell you my take on this.
	It's kind of simple for me because I'm going to sound like a hypocrite.
	I voted my first, you know, twice.
	Okay.
	But I started getting into feminism and how it's really corrupted and how women in government really corrupt it.
	There's a corruption.
	Sorry.
	And in my view with voting, you know, prior to women voting, men, landowners were voting.
	They had a stake in the game.
	But as soon as we gave women the right to vote, they have a proclivity to being commies because it's innate to their straight nature.
	I understand, I think, the generalization that is making you make that claim, but I have seen the statistics and I think perhaps the women that aren't voting in alignment to your values and morals are uneducated women and uneducated people in general.
	I think there should be perhaps a basis level.
	And I know that education is not accessible for everybody in our country, but for our government to function in the way that is going to be best for our society, I think that there should be a base level of education because recently there's been a lot of uneducated people who have been voting.
	And those are the people who are showing up and showing out.
	And I think that maybe those people don't align with your morals and values, not all women.
	I think that's kind of crazy because there's a lot of dumb men who are voting.
	And just to take away educated women's ability to vote, I don't think that's fair.
	We're overeducating ourselves in the West.
	It's actually an overeducation and not as, it's actually more simple.
	Sorry.
	Does that not feel like almost regressive, though, that thought process?
	And I understand it's traditional.
	No, no, no, you're fine.
	It is regressive in the right ways.
	I appreciate an imbalanced society where women are not at the helm.
	When a society is declining, we're putting women on the helm of that ship.
	And men really have to guide it into stability.
	Now, I'm not a fan of men who are kind of like feminists, too.
	There's a lot of guys that are feminists, and they're also a liability to what I would like to see as a traditional, safe, and civil society.
	So it's not just women.
	A lot of guys are actually allowing this to unfold and it's very problematic.
	Did you know that guys actually allowed women the right to vote?
	Aren't they so nice?
	Absolute mess.
	Actually, no, most women really weren't like for all.
	We're not even designed for it.
	It's actually a stressful world to get into politics, especially for women.
	It causes a lot of stress on women, too.
	And it's like less stress, the better.
	I know I did not vote the first, I think, like one or two times that I could.
	But I have.
	But like going back to like those years where I could have voted but did not, like I didn't know what I was doing.
	That's you though.
	I know.
	That's a lot.
	A lot of other women.
	Majority.
	Well, okay, sure.
	But do you not feel the minority of women who are educated and who do enjoy taking part of our democratic process should be able to vote?
	You don't think they should have that choice?
	You really don't think so just because they don't agree with you?
	That comes into question.
	No, not even that.
	It comes into question if it's really a democratic process.
	It's an absolute disaster, the democratic process.
	It comes tribalism.
	But tribalism is normal.
	It's innate to human nature to kind of become in our own tribe.
	But yeah, it's not really a democratic process.
	It's also why it's not.
	You had something also you wanted to touch on from a couple minutes ago.
	Yeah, what was I going to say?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	So I completely get what you're saying and like in like a unique, I guess maybe because I come from a household where like my mom and my dad were high school sweethearts.
	unfortunately passed when I was younger so my mom had raised me and my sisters and my brother and stuff so like what makes the question I have for you is do you think that after like my dad had died do you think that my mom should have found another man because like in traditional sense like that no that's not no that was totally out of her control she didn't walk away from him So you know, so that was totally out of her control.
	So if she would have walked away from him, it wouldn't have been okay for her to be a single mom.
	I'm just trying to understand.
	Well, she made the choice and now she has to suffer as a single mom.
	You know, having a two-parent household makes a world of a difference raising children, especially young sons.
	You know, they need their fathers, but girls need their fathers too.
	I think being married is a huge.
	It makes a huge, it's actually such a blessing to be married.
	It's dangerous to be in a cohabitation situation.
	Single mother households can be dangerous too because the women are so exhausted raising kids by themselves.
	They might even put children in a dangerous situation just for their comfort level, you know?
	And that kind of thing is a liability to the children.
	You know, a lot of convicts, they're actually products of single mothers.
	It's a fact.
	Go for it.
	An unpleasant fact.
	For almost 21 years of my life, aside from, you know, my mom, she has another baby.
	He's seven.
	I didn't have any really father figure, and she's an amazing real estate agent.
	Like, she is so successful.
	So successful.
	And I mean, like, she's been in a relationship with my, I guess my stepfather.
	I mean, I could consider him my dad, but I didn't need any man in my life to be like, you know, like, do like sports and all that.
	Like, just teach me things.
	I didn't need that.
	It's not.
	I was with my mom every second.
	And there was all the times I didn't need her, but she was always working and I was with her everywhere.
	She didn't leave me alone at home.
	My dad actually did that.
	So it can go both ways.
	But my mom was, you know, to say like, they turn into felons and all this stuff.
	My mom was the most successful woman.
	Well, it's not.
	It's not everybody.
	She still doesn't need the man that she's with, but she's with him because she loves him.
	But they're not married.
	They've been together for like nine years.
	But like, you know, I wouldn't say that, oh, they turn into felons or convicts and that's, you know, a dangerous household.
	My father is actually more dangerous than that.
	It's just a reality.
	It's also statistic that people with two-parents' household usually have like abuse in the home or like mommy or daddy issues.
	No, it's not a high statistical thing.
	But it can also be possible.
	But just as statistically that like, just as it's statistically that like people with like single mothers are prone to like be felons or convicts, that's the same thing that people that come from a two-parent household.
	No, of course it happens.
	And there's two-parent households that have, you know, Jeffrey Dahmers.
	It happens.
	Right.
	You know, but that's not the high statistic.
	The high statistic is, you know, it actually causes an identity crisis, especially for young men.
	You know, they need their fathers to know who they are.
	Women can't really train, teach guys how to be men.
	So what about single fathers?
	It's kind of rare.
	That's a more rare situation because, well, guys are truly what I understand is they're less likely to walk away from a relationship.
	They'll even suffer in the relationship to save it.
	You think they're more likely than women to do that?
	Yes.
	Are there stats I can look at for that?
	And also, I just wanted to say your claim as well, how abuse in two-parent households isn't as common.
	A lot of that is not documented or reported.
	So I think that's just something to acknowledge.
	There's documentation.
	Wouldn't it also not be documented in one-parent households also?
	I don't think she was referring to abuse.
	It was a different statistic.
	No, there's documentation statistics on that.
	In any scenario where you say, well, in this scenario, it's not documented.
	Well, then by extension, it also would not be documented in the other circumstances.
	Abuse is documented, generally speaking.
	But she's making the argument.
	Well, yeah, but she's right in the sense that, yes, some crimes or some abuse is not documented, but that would apply across the board.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	I think we were comparing two different statistics, though.
	It was kids who become felons in single-parent households versus abuse in two-parent households.
	So I see what you're saying, but it was two different measures that we were.
	Well, I think the stat is that people who come from one-parent households, what the stats show is that they're more likely to, there's more likely to be criminals.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's the thing: I mean, single parenthood, single motherhood is really put on a pedestal in our society.
	It's actually cancerous to society because you procreated with this man, and now he's this evil guy that you have to run away from.
	But the child is a reflection of this man.
	You know, you can't run away from that.
	So, I obviously what I'm saying is not a sense of every case of single parents, but it's really hard on kids because they kind of end up resenting the single mothers for this behavior because there's most of the time there's a selfish behavior on the single mother's part to leave.
	They don't want to sit and actually work something out.
	Just try to be straight.
	I'm sorry.
	If you can't, yeah.
	We're going to let a couple chats come through.
	We have Ellie here who's going to.
	Just so we all know, chair five is the star of the show.
	Also, wait, that here, read this one: chair five: the power of Christ compels you.
	The power of Christ compels you.
	She's possessed.
	She will climb walls soon, and heads will start doing 360.
	That was chair five.
	Is that me?
	That's her.
	That's her.
	Oh, that's you.
	Chair five is LAM.
	Oh, I think I'm kind of resembling the ring girl right now.
	A little bit.
	Bang's gotta be.
	Bang.
	All right.
	Don't do it.
	Don't fuck up your flow.
	All right.
	Read this one from Josh.
	Thank you, Josh.
	What is everyone's take on trauma dumping or trauma bonding as a main source of connection in a relationship?
	If the guy reciprocates it, is it healthy?
	Should you date with unresolved trauma?
	This guy doesn't know what trauma dumping is.
	Trauma bonding is.
	I think trauma dumping and trauma bonding for, does everybody know what that is?
	Yeah.
	This guy does.
	Yeah, they're very different.
	Very, very, yeah.
	We'll know.
	I mean, like, does like trauma dumping.
	Yeah, like, I was gonna, I was gonna explain it.
	That's why I was asking.
	Trauma bonding.
	I could just skin the station.
	But like, I think, like, I think, like, trauma dumping can be situational.
	I think sometimes like, like, somebody could be like in like real like distress and just like really need that.
	I feel like there's a fine line between that.
	I think trauma bonding, while it can't be good in a moment, I feel like it's nice to know that there is a shelf life for it.
	Like sometimes, sometimes a trauma bond could be something that you need in that moment to heal.
	And like, and like, like, not saying all trauma bonds are like good.
	I've had toxic trauma bonds just as much as the next person.
	Trauma bonding is, I think, but I have had a trauma bond where that person kind of like we healed each other and then we went our separate ways amicably.
	So I feel like there is a possibility to trauma bond with somebody and heal from it.
	What is your definition of trauma bond?
	Like you have a shared experience that was extremely traumatic and because of that you have a newfound friendship and or relationship because of it.
	Bonding over trauma.
	If you trauma bond, you're like literally inflicting trauma on this person and then rolling it back so that they're bonded to you.
	It's actually creating intimacy based on your shared traumas.
	That's how I took it.
	It could be that.
	No, it could be that.
	It could be your thing, but it could also just be two people who they're not inflicting it upon each other, or one person is not inflicting it on the other.
	They go through a traumatic experience together.
	And that would be a trauma bonding experience.
	I think that's right.
	And I'm going to fact-check that for the show.
	Even when we factor it out.
	There's like a set thing as it relates to this.
	It could be all of the above.
	It could be what you said.
	It could be what I said.
	It could be somebody said, I don't know if you said something else on that.
	No, I just said that it's two people that come with their own traumas and they have an intimate relationship that really bonds them based on those traumas.
	It creates intimacy.
	I think that's going to hear a girl's trauma until she hasn't farted in front of me.
	It should be never.
	I know.
	She has no fucking never.
	A girl should never fart someone.
	I don't know if that's all.
	Hold on.
	I just want to say one sec.
	We'll get there.
	Hold on.
	I want to say this.
	If it's too soon for you to fart in front of me, it's too soon for you to be telling me about your bullshit.
	I don't want to hear it.
	Don't tell me about your fucking trauma and definitely never fart in front of me.
	So in other words, don't tell me about your fucking trauma.
	What's a fart?
	She doesn't know.
	I have no idea.
	Chat, what do you guys think?
	Chat, don't you agree?
	Like, if she would be uncomfortable farting in front of you, she definitely should not be telling you her trauma.
	Facts, bro.
	I've had new coworkers come out.
	You don't believe that your girl should fart in front of you.
	Correct.
	Ever?
	Ever.
	Even after marriage.
	Whoa.
	I get.
	You know, look, she had some Mexican food, whatever.
	I get it.
	Maybe, but like, honestly, honestly, that shit, that's just going to be, that's a, if it's less than a year and she's already farting, it's over.
	It's like you're dating your brother.
	She needs to wait at least 12 months.
	And even then, 12 years business week.
	Like, even then, like a year into the relationship, if she starts farting.
	Are you going to ghost her?
	Oh, my God.
	Break up text.
	Look, if it was, if it's one time, give me a couple weeks and I'll get over it.
	What's the reason?
	If you give me a couple weeks, I can get over it.
	What do you mean the reason?
	Bro, some of y'all diets are all fucked up and shit.
	I don't know.
	Women farts are on another level.
	She has IBS.
	On another fucking level, bro.
	I'm telling you that, but what I'm saying is, as it relates to this trauma stuff.
	So that's a form of, sorry.
	If it's too soon to fart in front of your boyfriend, it's too soon to share your traumatic past with him.
	So farting in front of your boyfriend is a form of trauma dumping.
	It is traumatic for the man.
	Dumping that trauma in your stomach.
	As a man, it is very traumatic.
	So if your girl farted in front of you, you would not want to have sex after that.
	That would turn you off that much.
	I would not have seen that.
	What if she's like the baddest?
	What if she's like the baddest bitch like this planet's ever seen?
	She's a five now.
	If she farts.
	Every time that she farts in front of you, like Mirmark, she's a five.
	She's not.
	She's a five in the moment.
	No, she's a zero in the moment.
	I actually just got a whiff of something out of some of these farts.
	Someone says this.
	She can climb back up to a seven, though, after a couple months.
	But she's perma just downgrading.
	There's a recovery.
	What's the other thing?
	It's an unforgivable offense.
	Well, it's also, is it no, if it's a noisy fart?
	Because sometimes it's just silent and deadly.
	What if she's not?
	See, I recently got a cat, and that cat farts.
	You got a cat?
	You're a cat.
	Oh, that puppies?
	Holy shit.
	This cat has been just.
	Felicity back here gave me some cat food.
	I blamed Felicity, honestly.
	Who do you think?
	The cat is farts really and it's gross.
	What's the diet?
	Like she farts so bad it clears a room.
	The cat.
	The crispies or something like over there.
	I don't know what it is, but Felicity got me some cat food and now her farts are all fucked up.
	Ah man.
	Well I can help you with it.
	This is my first cat action.
	I got a cat and I'm telling you I used to look at this cat with admiration but now I'm just kind of regretting my choice now because I'm just kidding.
	Are you trolling right now?
	About the cat, yes, about women though.
	But if you can't fart in front of your man or your woman, how do you expect to do anything?
	Women don't fart.
	We don't do that at a moment.
	You guys get a lot of fun.
	Like that's like, come on, guys.
	Here's what women should do.
	If you got a fart and say we're kicking it, you got to go into another room.
	Are you joking?
	Maybe outside even.
	Go outside.
	Go outside.
	I don't care if it's hailing.
	It's fucking below freezing.
	Go outside.
	As women, you got to go outside, fart out there.
	What about you?
	You can do whatever you want.
	Tell a funny story about that.
	Oh, within a couple weeks, I'm just.
	I'm letting them rip in front of a girl.
	The first couple dates, no.
	But like after we've.
	Yeah, like after self-consciousness.
	After a couple weeks, yeah, you just let him rip.
	Wait, so it's okay for you to do it, but not for her.
	Yes, I believe in double standards.
	Do you think that I'm a little immature?
	Tell them all about it.
	A little immature.
	I think it's immature for a woman to fart.
	You don't think it's unrealistic?
	It's really immature.
	I'm just literally after blowing up a bathroom.
	Maybe it's not classy.
	I don't know if immature is the right word.
	It's rude and disrespectful.
	Well, it shows a lack of self-control.
	It's not ladylike.
	Yes.
	You're undisciplined.
	It's not ladylike.
	But, you know, look.
	Yeah, it's a double standard.
	Double standard.
	It is what it is.
	I'm going to hope that you're trolling on that one.
	There's just no way.
	No, he's not drawing.
	This is a great way for you to tell us that you're just dropping massive.
	Yeah, I do not care.
	So here, tell us, admit it on the internet that you just fart all the time in front of your boyfriend.
	I don't care.
	I do.
	Do you fart on his like you'll up to him?
	What were you about to say?
	Doesn't she fart on his friend?
	Did you just like loft the air towards him?
	Oh, yeah, she just crawled out of the copy.
	I will do a little story.
	And I will lift my leg up and to lift your leg up.
	Yeah.
	I can't.
	I don't know.
	No, seriously.
	I don't know why that's such a big deal.
	I don't know if it's gross.
	And I think maybe because we're so comfortable, and also I do work in the medical field, I feel like.
	To ask you a question, it's not going to be a perfect one-to-one comparison.
	It's kind of like this.
	All right.
	Imagine you were.
	I'll throw out a couple scenarios and you tell me how it would maybe change the dynamic that you have with your boyfriend.
	Or you're engaged, right?
	Your fiancé.
	Yes, Nick.
	Okay.
	Yes, man.
	That's what I'm just thinking.
	I love you.
	No matter.
	You are kicking it with your boyfriend/slash fiancé.
	Right.
	And he sees a spider and he lets out a shrill scream.
	Oh, well.
	It's like getting the icon.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	Would you lose a bit of something?
	My boyfriend or my fiancé, he's a 6'5, very big dude.
	Yeah, I'm saying.
	So he is scared of spiders?
	No.
	I'm saying if he theoretically, would you be like, ugh?
	Maybe in the moment, but like not.
	Like, it wouldn't ruin.
	It wouldn't drop him down from it.
	Fives with zero like you're saying, never that's crazy.
	And you're also also farts are not something that you can control.
	Everybody does it.
	Not everybody's afraid of spiders, but everybody farts.
	Sometimes controls.
	Unless you're sleeping, you can control it.
	You cannot control it.
	That's why I insist she sleeps in the other room.
	My mom says gasokillium.
	My mom says all the time, gasokillium.
	What if, what if your boyfriend?
	I don't know if this is realistic, but whatever.
	Here's go.
	Just go.
	Your boyfriend started talking like this.
	Oh my God.
	That is like so amazing.
	But that's still.
	What?
	You got horny all of a sudden?
	No, no, no.
	Like, I actually have a guy that does do that, and I just think it's funny.
	I'm like, I think he'll call me girly pop.
	No.
	But like, he just likes, because that's how I am.
	And he's like, okay, I'll take a look.
	Like, he just knows that's how I am, and he's like, just thinks it's funny.
	So I'm like, yeah, like, it is funny.
	Like, so when he does it, I'm just like, oh, like this is so funny.
	Because I know who you are.
	Yeah.
	I know who you are.
	Oh, I'm just joking.
	Yeah.
	I'm Pop Valley, and it just pisses everyone.
	I just think it's a little valuable.
	I'm like, trauma dumping.
	Okay, oh my God.
	This is like so dumb, you guys.
	Totally.
	Like, we have.
	Hold on.
	Not this one, Ellie, but I'm going to have you read.
	Hey, thanks, Amit.
	Shout out to my home slice donut.
	Shout out donut.
	Darren asked.
	That's my home sliced.
	All right, this is a huge.
	Oh, thank you.
	Men and women don't have unique roles.
	There is no logical reason for one to find and keep the other.
	Lack of purpose is why we're stuck with hookups and divorces.
	Also, men need to have a role.
	I believe in gender roles.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So you do believe in gender roles?
	I do.
	I do believe in gender roles, but just not to the extremity that you two do.
	And, you know, I have nothing but respect in hearing your perspective and viewpoint.
	I'm just not as far in that.
	I think that in every function, like a family, for example, I think about it almost like a business in the sense that everyone has their role to fill.
	And I think that as women, we have estrogen, men have testosterone.
	I think that we are biologically just better for certain tasks.
	Now, that's not me saying that I think we should eliminate the reality of choice, such as if women want to vote, I believe that they should.
	Even if, you know, biologically, because of our hormones and estrogen, maybe women are better caretakers than men.
	I think that is kind of just a biological truth, but that doesn't mean I think all women should only be caretakers and they only belong in the kitchen and they should have no other aspirations.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	I agree with that too.
	Well, women do have free will and the right to choose.
	That's without question.
	Yes, yes.
	But what's kind of meaningful is the question you have to ask yourself.
	You know, what's meaningful?
	I'm sorry.
	What?
	Missed something?
	I thought another bird got in.
	Yeah, I heard a little something.
	Was you a bird earlier?
	No, no, another time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How about you guys?
	How do you guys feel about gender roles in our society and our world?
	You know my view.
	I do.
	I think anyone else wants to be able to do that.
	Somebody else.
	Sorry.
	No, you can go first.
	I'm actually going to use the facility.
	Okay.
	I'm going to agree with Mars on this.
	I think that everybody in the house has their role, whether that, and I literally agree with everything you just said.
	I personally, I have felt more in my feminine era with my fiancé because he's allowed me to be like that.
	Exactly.
	The right partner will bring that out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But I understand that's not everybody's reality.
	So, and kind of going back to what we were talking about earlier is feminism.
	I think feminism gives you the right to choose which one you want.
	If you want one or the other, that's fine.
	I don't think it's just up to you.
	It's really up to you.
	It's all about choice.
	Yes.
	I have a question for you guys about femininity and masculinity.
	Do you find with women who are taking these masculine roles, do you think they're safe within themselves being in a more masculine role?
	Well, actually, can you elaborate on that question?
	What do you mean, safe within themselves?
	Like they know who they are, type of person.
	Do they feel safety within themselves taking on a masculine role and kind of going into a more male-dominated area if it might not be innate to what they would do?
	I would say, as somebody who identifies as gender fluid and sometimes pushes into those masculine roles, specifically when I'm like dating women, I feel like I am very like, I feel like I'm more confident in a way of it's not something that I'm particularly not necessarily used to, but not something that I push into like often.
	So when I do, I feel like a different kind of confidence and not only confidence, but established within myself of like, not only do I know who I am, but I'm so secure in who I am that I can wear whatever I want, do whatever I want, fit whatever roles that I want with no like anxiety of the judgment that comes around me because I know who I am inside.
	Like as like just to like, like I feel like that's really like I'm secure.
	So with femininity, do you guys feel like it's easy for you to be feminine?
	It's easy for me.
	Does it feel right partner?
	So it's kind of situational.
	Yeah.
	So without that, if it's situational, you take more of a masculine role.
	Yeah.
	Which is kind of, I would imagine, means that you have a lack of safety within yourself.
	That's what I'm trying to, I'm noticing.
	Can you define masculine role?
	So masculinity, you know, because women are in, you know, feminism has created this masculinity amongst women where they actually have to now go into male spaces and be in a more masculine environment and taking on a masculine aura.
	Okay.
	You know?
	But what I understand with femininity, since it seems to be like a lost art these days, is actually to be feminine, there's a sense of safety in being feminine.
	Yeah.
	You know, and to relax and to let go and not be stressed about doing nine-to-fives and doing all these things that are meaningless.
	Turn your brain.
	But to be feminine is like just like you said with your fiancé, you feel safe.
	Yeah, but I also think like me, because I feel like I'm a little more masculine.
	Well, that's why I chose my partner because he's more masculine than I am, obviously.
	So he kind of like helps me bring my femininity out.
	But I also feel like being masculine, I've had to do that sometimes to kind of be taken seriously.
	Yes.
	And I know that's that might be a little weird, but sometimes I have to bring more of an aura to the table because if you don't, you're going to get eaten alive.
	You're going to get shut down.
	Especially being a business and, you know, obviously male-dominated fields, you have to make sure that your voice is being heard.
	And sometimes the only way you can do that and get the respect that a man will get, not only the, you know, admiration, oh, she's so pretty, whatever, but actually you're hearing what I'm saying and you're recognizing that I'm intelligent, you have to be a little bit more blunt and a little bit more masculine and be a little less tapped into your femininity to get that necessary respect in the world of business.
	Not just in the societal structure.
	You're fine.
	Go ahead.
	I was going to say, I don't see how you can't do that.
	Like, you're in these male-dominated spaces.
	How are you supposed to compete if you're not even in the same case?
	Do you think when?
	Oh, sorry, you can.
	I'm fine, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	No, you're fine.
	No, I was going to say, is do you think that women behaving more masculine, less feminine because femininity is more safety?
	Some people might align more with masculinity, but it's actually more chaotic and less innate to women that are safe within themselves.
	But do you think that the masculinity response is like a trauma response?
	I think it's just a learned response from what?
	From society, from history.
	Men dominate the government, a lot of businesses, a lot of fields that women have aspirations of breaking into.
	So it's what else can you do except for learn from the past and the past is male centric.
	I thought there were more women in government nowadays.
	No, there is.
	Oh, there's a lot of women in government.
	Historically, no, unfortunately.
	Yeah, historically, no.
	But they also had things that they were doing like within the world of like politicking and all of that.
	Yeah, behind the scenes.
	Yes, but that's because they did not have the choice.
	They have the choice.
	Look at Susan B. Anthony.
	And what does she have to do to get there?
	I mean, you know.
	I don't know.
	What does she have to do?
	Yeah.
	Tell us.
	For what you were saying, too, in terms of femininity, I think that at least for me, and I would love to hear your guys' perspectives, too.
	I heard a lot of situational and circumstantial circumstances when you want to tap into your femininity.
	But for me, I think, yes, I acknowledge that I'm young.
	I'm only 20, but I've gone through a lot of life experience that makes me feel pretty secure in who I am.
	I feel that I know who I am, and I'm sure I will discover who I am as the years go on continuously.
	10 years makes a difference.
	For sure.
	And I totally agree with that.
	But I feel that my security in knowing who I am kind of allows me the comfort and space to fall more into my femininity than maybe I did when I was a angsty, tomboyish middle schooler.
	You know?
	But now I feel that I have more, I have myself figured out more, my values figured out more.
	I believe that I have a sense of masculine energy almost just because, again, the whole businesswoman thing, but I feel very tapped into my femininity and how I present.
	Ellie, can you read this?
	PETA.
	Painted, how did you know about this, PETA?
	Situationships mean that they do not respect your time or your agency.
	Stop giving excuses.
	Dump them.
	Women should vote.
	What the fuck is wrong with you?
	The hottest woman at the table is the one with grays.
	With grays.
	That's you.
	Peer.
	Thank you.
	Wait, I'm confused, though, because did they not just say women should vote?
	Did that come up?
	Women should vote.
	Yeah, that's what it said.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Women should vote.
	What the fuck is wrong with you?
	Women should vote.
	I think he called you hot at the same time, so.
	Well, I think that's, I think what he said.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to go back to this.
	For those of you who are single, you said you had a roster.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	Currently, you have a roster.
	Yes.
	Tell us about the roster.
	That's nice is what it is.
	No, I do currently have a roster right now.
	I think I'm, am I allowed to give a number?
	Please do.
	Yeah.
	I have five guys and two girls.
	Okay.
	You may tell me the things you want.
	Okay, so you said five guys, two girls.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then you're single too, right?
	I am single.
	I do not have a roster.
	No roster.
	There's no guys in the picture?
	I mean, there are people who I'm interested in getting to know better, but I'm kind of in a place in my life in my career where I want to focus on my projects.
	And, you know, myself, I'm not necessarily interested in having a long-term committed partner right now.
	So there's no guy in the picture.
	No.
	No guy.
	No one I would, you know.
	Everything's just so fresh.
	You know what I mean?
	When you say fresh.
	I met this guy like three weeks ago, and we haven't done anything.
	And maybe I'm interested.
	He's made it clear he's interested in me.
	I might be interested in him, but I just, I don't need to rush into anything right now.
	When's the last time you hooked up with somebody?
	Probably like three weeks ago.
	It was when I was in Italy.
	Yeah, that was Italy.
	Italy.
	Was it like a local?
	It was just.
	Hot Italian dude.
	Yes.
	How long were you in Italy for?
	I was in Italy for 10 days.
	I went to Venice, Florence, and Rome.
	And just Italy?
	You didn't go to like any other for this recent trip.
	It was just Italy.
	I was just in Greece before that, but they were like two separate trips.
	Gotcha.
	And did you, were there any other guys in Italy or was it just not in Italy?
	In Greece.
	Oh, so you went to Greece this trip?
	No, no.
	Like a month ago, maybe even two, I was in Greece.
	And then a few weeks ago, I was in Italy.
	Two separate trips.
	And so there was a guy in Greece.
	Yes.
	Was there more than one guy in Greece?
	Yeah.
	He's got greasy.
	What happens in Rome?
	What did they say?
	We just had to.
	She's got dad jokes.
	Women in Rome in Rome.
	And you were only in Greece for that trip?
	I was in Greece for like two weeks.
	I was in Santorini, Paros, Mykonos, Athens.
	How many guys were you hanging out with when you were in Greece?
	Well that's an interesting question with certain implications, but I'll just say I had a fun night.
	With...
	Oh, it was a singular night that you saw all the guys?
	I had one fun night.
	I had one fun night, and I have nothing more to say.
	It was one particular night, and there were multiple men in the particular night.
	I am a bisexual human being who likes being bisexual.
	Hey, no judgment.
	All that I'll say.
	No judgment.
	I'm very romantic.
	So you had a fun orgy.
	Sure.
	Don't digital footprint.
	I mean, English.
	No, I didn't.
	I don't agree.
	It is what it is.
	But, okay, so you, how many people were in the orgy?
	It was a foursome.
	I had a foursome.
	How many guys?
	Two guys, two girls total, including myself.
	Two guys, two girls.
	And it was each and every way, because bisexual.
	The guys did not interact with each other.
	But the girl.
	Yeah, I see.
	Because that would be gay, right?
	I would be gay.
	And I'm gay, so.
	Okay, so it'll be fun.
	But I mean, there was just one particular night, or were you having some fun on other nights too?
	That was just that.
	No, because I did a group hostel with a bunch of friends.
	So I was mostly in my, you know, just enjoying time with my friends.
	But, you know, I'm young and I'm in Greece.
	But in Italy, your most recent trip to Italy were there.
	It was just one guy.
	Just one guy.
	At a club.
	You know how it goes.
	I don't know about.
	Okay.
	No.
	Well, not like Italian men.
	Not with Italian men.
	Italian men are great.
	Or men, period.
	They're really amazing.
	But then have you traveled elsewhere?
	Like, have you done other travels too?
	I have.
	I have.
	I've traveled quite a bit.
	I've been to Tokyo.
	I did a study abroad there for a little bit.
	That was a ton of fun.
	I've been to Spain.
	I've been to Aruba.
	I've been to Mexico, Peru, a few other places.
	Yeah, I enjoy traveling.
	Okay.
	Any other European countries like Anti-Spain?
	Netherlands.
	No, definitely so much on the bucket list.
	I'm going to France soon.
	I want to go to Switzerland so bad.
	I snowboard there.
	It's all on my bucket list.
	Gotcha.
	So you're in Japan for a bit?
	I was.
	Have a Japanese connection.
	It's a, well, you know, it's a very different culture than in America.
	So, no, I didn't.
	Okay.
	How long were you in Japan for?
	I was in Japan just for two weeks.
	It wasn't super long.
	Did you, while you were in Japan, not with a Japanese guy, but with like another tourist?
	No, I didn't.
	Again, I did a study abroad with my college USC there.
	So it was mostly professional.
	Basically, just all day we were touring different companies, studying different classes, and then all night we would go out.
	But I was with my friends.
	What about Spain?
	Spain?
	Yeah, I mean, I hooked up with a French guy when I was in Spain.
	I like my Europeans.
	What can I say?
	I'm young.
	I'm young and free.
	Do you find them on the bus?
	She's not a player.
	She just crushed.
	So do you find them online?
	Where do you find these guys?
	Do you just like add them?
	Just outside.
	Just get in the high shit.
	Hold on.
	So before we get into that.
	Okay, but never had a roster.
	Have you ever had a roster?
	Of course I have.
	You know, like, I think in this generation, it's pretty common.
	Do you have a roster?
	Back in high school, you know, I had my fun.
	I had my ho-phase, as they say.
	Just this.
	What was your ho-faze?
	You said in high school?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know, people can have different definitions of what they consider a hoe or slut or whatever.
	I don't, I'm not easy.
	I simply like to have fun, and I think we're all sexual beings, and there's nothing wrong with having sex if you're doing it in a safe way and you're not hurting anyone.
	That's my two cents, though.
	You can feel however you feel about it.
	That has nothing to do with me.
	And so, wait, hold on.
	How big was your roster when you did have a roster?
	Honestly, I wasn't as methodical about it as, you know, Xena was, or is, for example.
	It's kind of just, if I meet someone and I connect with them and we both find each other attractive, you know, sometimes things just happen.
	Probably just a handful of people.
	It was never like, oh, I'm going to see this person on that day and this person on that day.
	You know what I mean?
	It was just more natural, I guess.
	But there were periods where you'd be dating multiple, like people.
	I would be talking with multiple people.
	When I say date, I use that term pretty loosely.
	Totally, totally.
	Yeah, dating.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Multiple boyfriends, but like, I get it, I get it, I get it.
	Like hanging out with different people.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, there was, you know, there's periods of that for sure.
	Okay.
	But right now you don't have a roster.
	No.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	Oh, well, you're fresh out of, have you had a rebound?
	No.
	Good question.
	No?
	No.
	Not him?
	No.
	You know, the dance girls are in high demand, so I mean, I mean, not for going to their performances, but for.
	Terrible.
	No rebound?
	No.
	No guys in the pipeline?
	No, I've had, I had this one guy that I hooked up with.
	He messaged me actually last night.
	I think it was last night or two nights ago.
	And her and I were literally talking about him.
	And all of a sudden, he just popped up on my messages and he wanted to, you know, hook up.
	And I was just like, no.
	Like, I kept saying no.
	He messaged me again.
	I was like, I didn't even answer.
	Cause it's like, I'm not really interested in even doing that.
	But like, you know, when I was with my ex-boyfriend like two, three years ago, like, I had a roster before him.
	And I was just like, well, I guess, you know, I'll take you.
	Got it.
	Have you ever had a roster?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I was in college.
	But I feel like when I do, it's not like, like you said, like hanging out with them.
	Like, oh, like, you know, or, you know, doing things with them.
	It was just more so like I'm texting you, but like, am I going to hang out with you?
	Probably not.
	Maybe it really depends.
	But like, even before like the guy I was talking to, now like I was on Hinge and that's actually how we met.
	And so like obviously we're about talking to different people, but you know, just something just clicked like, you know.
	So it just depends.
	When you did have a roster, how big was the roster?
	I mean, I don't know, because I didn't really pay attention because I just either would go somewhere, they ghost me, it just wouldn't really go anywhere.
	So, I can't really give you a number.
	Couple of people.
	No.
	Yeah, it was just like a couple people, and I would always end up them being loyal to that one person.
	I'm like, now I kind of vibe with you more, and I cut everybody out.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Ever had a roster?
	No.
	Ever had a roster?
	Yes.
	How big was the roster?
	Well, I have like, I could probably text any guy in my phone that I wanted to hook up and they would.
	Like, I have a DMs.
	Yeah, same.
	What did you do?
	Like, I have a list of guys that I'm interested in, but am I going to hang out with them?
	Am I going to give them the time of day?
	Like, not necessarily.
	It just depends.
	Like, I have the one that I like the most, and like, that's the one I'll gravitate towards.
	But if he's, like, not available, like, I have people I can easily hit up to hang out at any given moment in time.
	I have massive DMs of just like random guys trying to take me out.
	Like, I have the Snapchat roster.
	Like, I, I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm hooking up with all these people because I'm not.
	Because, yeah, only one of them is a lot of people.
	I know that you don't do that.
	So it's just like, but I have access to a lot of guys that want me.
	So, how, I mean, if you had to try to ballpark a number, what would you say for the roster?
	How big is it?
	I get calls from guys, like, different guys every day, about like 20 times a day of different men.
	Yeah, she sees me on the phone.
	Like calling you?
	Yes.
	So you, and you pick up.
	Yes.
	What do you talk about?
	Like, like, I have.
	Like, they're trying to hit.
	I don't know if they are or not.
	I mean, you see.
	You talk to 20 dudes in a day.
	She sees.
	No, I don't tell it.
	Wait, I have to play a sound for this.
	Hold on.
	Get the sound board.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Fuck, where's it?
	Fuck it.
	Wait.
	Pressure's on.
	Pressure's on.
	No, man, that sounds like a lot of work.
	Yeah.
	So, I think it's the room to go on the phone.
	I'd be quite like for you as a man.
	Not to cut it off.
	I'm not finished real quick.
	I usually get these calls and everything, and I usually get yelled at because of how many guys talk to me and how many guys I'm around all the time.
	Who yells at me?
	Maybe who?
	Like, guys that are interested in me.
	Like, the situationship, especially, we would always get mad being like, oh, you're always hanging out with all these guys.
	Like, it's just shit.
	That's not okay.
	Like, and I'm like, okay, well, you're not my boyfriend, so I'm going to hang out with whoever.
	Well, question for you, and I know you want to come in, but have you ever tried to maneuver any of these into a committed relationship?
	I'm sure they would.
	I'm sure they would want to commit to me in a second.
	I just don't want them like that.
	Like, I don't think they're my ideal partner.
	Like, I don't vibe with them.
	I don't want to entertain them.
	Because they're still my, like, I personally think they're my friends.
	Like, I have a friendship with them.
	Like, we hang out all the time.
	That's my question.
	I don't know if they're trying to sleep with me, but I'm saying if I were to ask them to sleep with me, I don't think they'd say no.
	I mean, probably.
	And they're not your friends.
	I'd say there's like 95% chance if a guy is straight and trying to talk to you.
	I mean, I lived with six straight men.
	They weren't trying to sleep with me, but if I asked them to sleep with me, they probably would.
	Well, that's kind of, yeah, that's what I was going to say.
	The invitation.
	Why would they deny the invitation?
	Do you think it's possible, you as a man, to have purely platonic friendships with women that are attractive?
	Women.
	Logically, it's possible.
	Like, yes, it's possible.
	But in practice, in your opinion.
	Yeah, in practice, the lines get blurred quite a bit.
	I think there's a couple components here.
	I think that One of the big things is when you enter into a new relationship, some people might be kind of kind of whatever when it comes to you having friends of the opposite sex.
	But here's the issue.
	It is realistic to assume that down the road, down the line, that you could get into a relationship with somebody who has a boundary or standard that you don't have friends of the opposite sex.
	And typically, people are, unless it's a really, really good friend, people are going to prioritize their romantic relationships oftentimes over their friendships.
	Depends how long you've been friends.
	So if at any given moment, this friendship that you've invested in and developed over time can just be instantly nuked because they have a boyfriend or girlfriend who has this boundary of, I don't want you hanging out with people of the opposite sex.
	I don't feel like that's a great foundation for a relationship.
	Not all people have that standard.
	Like some people are like, yeah, that's cool.
	If you want to have a, you know, a guyfriend or a girlfriend, some people are fine with it.
	But I think it makes for really unstable relationships if at like the drop of the hat, they get into a new relationship and this person doesn't want them to be hanging out with the other component is that more so from the guy's perspective, and the girl has female male friends, excuse me, the girl has male friends.
	Women friend zone men.
	Totally.
	Men typically don't do the reverse.
	I mean, it can happen, but typically men are not like friend zoning a bunch of girls.
	So like if you have a friend group, but initially the guy had a romantic or sexual interest in you, I don't really, like he's just waiting.
	He's biding his time.
	He wants to fuck you still.
	Again, it's logically possible that the guy could have had an initial romantic interest.
	You friend zone him and then it's a genuine friendship.
	But even then, I don't want to be dating a girl who's hanging out with a guy who either, well, certainly if he did fuck her or did have a relationship with her, but he wanted to, he wanted her.
	I feel like that's not a good dynamic.
	Most dudes are waiting in the, they're waiting in the wings, waiting for the girl to get single, waiting for their opportunity.
	And if given the opportunity, like all of you could probably pull out your phone right now, text your male friend and allude to wanting to hook up with him tonight, and he's going to jump at the chance to hook up.
	Totally.
	Is that a friend?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I acknowledge that.
	As a woman, to be honest, and you know, always stay humble, but I think you're all beautiful women.
	And, you know, creating authentic, genuine male friendships, it's difficult.
	And I acknowledge that, you know, I think honestly, majority of my guy friends did hit on me and probably did want to hook up with me at one point.
	And I would like to think, you know, we have a genuine, authentic friendship at this point, but there's not really much you can do, honestly, as a woman who values your relationship and friendship with this guy if they feel that way and you don't.
	Yeah, I think a lot of guys do settle in being friends with women that they can't necessarily have something more with.
	Would you agree with that?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, the girl friend zones the guy, but I mean, his romantic or sexual attraction to you hasn't evaporated because now you're friends.
	He's probably like, well, if she gets to know me more.
	Maybe it's just that one night, that one lucky night.
	If I hang around, hanging out, you guys are drinking a little bit.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, and then how many stories, yeah, how many stories are like, oh, we started out as friends, and now we're more friends with benefits, right?
	Doesn't it kind of guess what happens?
	Situationship now.
	Situationship.
	I don't know.
	I think there's a difference between friends with benefits and a situationship.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think a situation is something a little more.
	Friends with benefits is honestly just friends with a sexual component added in.
	Actually, none of it's defined.
	Well, we are defined.
	Both of them are not really defined.
	Friends with benefits.
	Friends with benefits to me seems that there's a bit more, I guess, definition to what the dynamic is.
	Like, it's kind of clear that there's not necessarily like there's been some defining that this is a casual thing.
	Yeah, it's not a situation.
	There's a situation.
	It's like it's on the tracks.
	It's on the rails to potentially becoming a relationship, but it's not defined yet as a relationship.
	I think gay's amazing.
	Thank you very much.
	Copyright.
	Come on.
	Let's see.
	Oh, ever had a roster?
	No.
	Roster?
	Yeah.
	How big was the roster?
	She said it was such a soft voice.
	Three.
	I think three or four.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	Let's see if I have any questions related to the roster.
	Oh, who here?
	Oh, we have one girl at the table.
	Anyone here ever had a threesome?
	Yes.
	Show of hands.
	Raise them high.
	I'm embarrassed.
	Wait, was that?
	Are you counting the foursomes?
	No, are we the separate?
	Yes.
	Separate.
	Okay.
	I mean, I'm the only bisexual woman at this table.
	I guess so.
	Do you guys have to be bisexual?
	That's true.
	I think that we have more incentive to because we get different things.
	Yeah.
	How many threesomes have you had?
	Should I include the foursome?
	How many foursomes have you had?
	Just one?
	Two.
	Two?
	And then how many threesomes?
	One.
	What about you?
	I've had one.
	One.
	Was it together?
	No, I don't hook up with my friends.
	No, no, we're not.
	I know we're homies.
	Girls do that.
	Not me, though.
	I've done that.
	Yeah, this is my sister.
	Yeah, this is my homie.
	You said you had a ho phase.
	Anybody else here had a ho phase?
	Wait, ho phase?
	Ho phase.
	I use that definition like so loosely though because like when I see other girls, I'm like, God nail, that's a ho phase.
	You know what I mean?
	Like I don't have a crazy high body count or whatever, but by my definitions and my normal lifestyle, it was you know higher than my usual activity when it comes to locks.
	What does that so how did the what was the ho phase?
	What did it look like?
	So basically, I lost my virginity to my boyfriend back in high school and after we broke up I did not have sex until like my senior year of high school.
	But once I hooked up with the first person again, my senior year of high school it's kind of like the floodgates were open and I was like okay, let me have my fun.
	I'm about to go to college and never see these people again.
	Like you know, I had some fun with some people at that point and then I went to college and things settled, which I know is shocking, because I went to USC and it's, you know, some people call it the University OF SEXY Classmates.
	There are very attractive people who go to USC.
	I am blessed to go to that school.
	But yeah, you know, I was just in a relationship.
	I broke up, like we broke up, and I was celibate for a long time And then, you know, I just became sexually active again at that point.
	And there was just from nothing to a good amount to, you know, settling, if that makes sense.
	All right.
	Curious for, has anybody here ever hooked up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
	I mean, I did admit that I had a horse on, so does that count?
	Yeah, right?
	It happens in a way.
	The threesomes, was it girls?
	The threesome was a girl and a guy, but the foursome, as I mentioned, two guys and one girl.
	So I would say not counting the okay, because it's a separate occasion.
	Yeah, it'd be like one guy and then like later in the night or the next day, another guy.
	Have you had that?
	You had that?
	I thought that happened to me once.
	One time?
	Yeah.
	So what was the story?
	The story was I had slept with this guy like the day before to get back at one of my housemates.
	I'm dead.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, and then the next day, the guy that was already on my roster had asked me to hang out.
	Oh, and I couldn't say no because he already asked me to hang out.
	So it was just like.
	And they were roommates, right?
	They were housemates, not roommates.
	They were housemates.
	And I didn't know they were housemates until after.
	Did you hook up at the same house, though?
	She did.
	I found out that day because I walked out of the other guy's room and then the guy that I slept with the day before was looking dead at me in my eyes.
	That was a moment.
	And so what was the time period?
	It was like just the next day.
	It was, yeah, it was the next day.
	It was like the next day.
	Like 24 hours.
	You spent the night with one guy?
	I didn't spend the night with him.
	I just hooked up with him the day before.
	Okay, and then you went back to the house and then hooked up with the other guy who lived in the house.
	Yeah.
	Okay, God.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Shit happens.
	All right.
	There you have it, folks.
	Cool.
	Switching gears here.
	Question for the whole panel.
	Is it a deal breaker if a guy uses the word retard or retarded?
	No, I encourage political incorrectness.
	Yeah, give us your response.
	Oh, did this happen to you?
	You dumped a dude because I think that it is important to be educated on, you know, the history of certain words, including slurs.
	But I will say that I like South Park and my humor is a little raunchy, inappropriate.
	There, I say, cancel worthy.
	But yeah, I respect everybody.
	I'm going to pee now.
	So not a deal breaker.
	Okay.
	Deal breaker if the guy drops retard.
	If you're a racial slur, that's a deal breaker.
	I agree.
	The N-word, that's a deal breaker.
	Yeah.
	Words we're done.
	Deal breaker?
	No, I have a twin brother.
	I lived with six men.
	Like, I've heard it all.
	She's heard it all.
	What about you?
	No.
	What about you?
	Not a deal breaker.
	Not a deal breaker.
	No, it's a deal breaker.
	Nope.
	What about you?
	It's only a deal breaker if he won't say retard.
	Based.
	What if he calls you a retard?
	Is that like in a joking way?
	He's a big joke.
	What's the joke?
	It's not a deal breaker.
	I don't know.
	You like spill something and he's like, good job, retard.
	Oh, that's funny.
	I love it.
	Talk about actually trying to insult you, you know?
	Yeah.
	How to come back with.
	Although some people get affected by that.
	I remember this was early in the woke, the woke days.
	This was like 2012, 2012.
	So caught me off guard.
	This is before all the woke shit.
	I was on this date with this girl and we were hanging out.
	It was going really well.
	Really well.
	Trust me.
	So well.
	So well.
	And it was our first date.
	We're kicking it.
	And I, I think I, I'm trying to remember exactly what happened.
	I think I either spilled something or like I dropped something.
	Like I was carrying something.
	I don't know.
	I was carrying a water bottle, accidentally dropped it, fumbled it.
	And I was like, oh shit, I'm such a retard.
	Like in passing, and then she was like, oh my God.
	Her hair stood up.
	Well, that is really offensive.
	Uh-oh.
	It is really wrong to say.
	I'm not exaggerating.
	She literally nuked the date.
	And so, but this is 2012, right?
	So I was actually, I'm not going to say how I doubled down on it, but trust me, I doubled down.
	Okay.
	And but the date was ruined.
	Of course.
	Not because she, she was like, it was, she was literally shaking.
	She was literally shaking right now.
	Literally shaking.
	Like, how could this guy say, I didn't call her a retard.
	I wasn't saying like, I hate people who are actually retarded.
	I was just saying, I called myself a retard.
	I'm retarded because I dropped a water bottle.
	And she, I'm not exaggerating.
	This happened.
	I should see if she'd be down to come on the show.
	She did you a favor.
	Yes.
	Actually, you dodged a bullet.
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	It would have been.
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	She would have nagged you all the time.
	It would have been the most retarded relationship ever.
	Yeah.
	Counterplay.
	Anyways, so that was one time I had that.
	Let's see if I.
	Oh, okay.
	Here we go.
	I have somebody special who's asking me to ask a couple of questions.
	We're going to blast through these really quick.
	Has anybody here ever gone revenge on the next?
	Yes.
	Revenge?
	No.
	Show of hands.
	Yes.
	You.
	Revenge.
	Revenge.
	Like, it could be.
	Putting bologna on their car on your heart day.
	Yeah, yes, exactly.
	Like, something like that.
	Do you have a Zen?
	Is that a Zen?
	No, you can.
	It's fine.
	No, it's fine.
	I do.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm addicted to nicotine, everyone.
	Did you smoke cigarettes too?
	I do.
	I do.
	But I actually recently had a surgery, so I can't smoke for like a week.
	Oh, what's your surgery?
	So back when I was.
	No, no, back when I was 16, I was a victim in a car crash, and my nose broke and it never healed properly.
	I just had my third surgery for it.
	I swear it's not cosmetic.
	Think what you want, but I just genuinely can't breathe right.
	So my third surgery I had like two days ago.
	So I'm on the perks right now and I'm zinned up and I'm feeling great.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Congrats.
	So revenge.
	Tell us the revenge you got on the guy.
	Okay, so I have two.
	The first one, this guy was just like being really weird and he wanted commitment.
	And then all of a sudden he didn't want commitment, didn't nobody want it.
	So I was like, oh, so you're trying to find somebody better.
	Like, got it.
	Like, I'll show you.
	You fumbled the bag.
	So I met up with my friend at a party and I was like, hey, I need you to like do something for me.
	And he like took a picture with me so I could post it on my close friends, only have that man on there just so he could see it.
	And then he came crawling back and I just like ghosted him after because I was just like, yeah, you fumbled.
	Like goodbye.
	Sorry, I missed that.
	Like a picture of me making out with another guy like two days after he said, oh, we can just be friends.
	And then he came crawling back being like, oh, I know what I want now.
	And I was like, yeah, bye.
	Like on to the next.
	And then the other revenge was when I was recently in no contact.
	I was talking to his roommate, also his best friend, and had his best friend like come over a few times.
	I won't go into that.
	But like, yeah, like I feel like that was revenge because that was like a no-go for him.
	Like territory-wise, like his friend would not do that to him, and his friend did.
	So it was like, ooh, yikes.
	Can I ask what he did?
	Did I miss that?
	To like incentivize this revenge?
	So he was like no contact.
	And I didn't know why he went no contact.
	So it was more of like, okay, well, if you went no contact, I'm going to hang out with your roommate, even though I know you hate that I even talked to your roommate.
	And I knew his roommate was interested in me, but it was kind of off, like I was off limits to his roommate on a friend boundary between him and his roommate.
	Got it.
	And his roommate was still willing.
	So it's just, ooh, revenge from both ends, I guess.
	Because his roommate was trying to get revenge on him.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Your revenge story?
	Oh, I don't know if this is a crime.
	I hope this isn't a crime.
	Nobody watches this, don't worry.
	Yeah.
	Well, this guy had like broken up with me and like went no contact.
	And like it was like, it like meant weirdly a lot to me.
	And like I was mentally unstable at the time.
	So I clearly wasn't thinking clearly.
	But me and my best friend, shout out to my best friend, actually.
	She was a G for this.
	But we decided to put baloney on his car and burn his things in the trash can in front of his door.
	That was my revenge.
	Like things that like he like gave me like over time like clothes like trinkets stuff like that.
	I put it in like a little tiny trash can.
	And I burned his gift.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	What have you done?
	Yeah, that's all I did.
	It's not like a crime.
	I don't know if putting the bologna on the car was a crime.
	That's definitely.
	Yeah, I was like, I don't know if that's a crime.
	Oh, okay.
	I was like, is that a crime?
	Fuck the picture.
	Is that like vandalism?
	Yeah, that's it.
	Yeah, I guess the baloney.
	Did he know it was you?
	Huh?
	Oh, he didn't believe.
	No, but he like knew.
	He like, he, like, campus security came and asked me, and I said it wasn't me.
	No, they just asked me.
	Well, they just asked me.
	They said.
	So how long were you seeing the guy?
	Like, like on and off for a year.
	Oh.
	Wait, is this the guy you were talking about?
	No, not him.
	No, no.
	Remember, roster.
	Roster.
	Roster guys keep up with.
	This was before that, within that, like, that, like, time when I was single, because I've been single since 2022.
	I, like, was on and off with a guy that I was seeing at my school for about like a year.
	And he, like, ended things with me abruptly and like blocked me and stuff.
	How did he end things with you?
	He, like, he blocked me and like told my roommate.
	He was like, I can't do it anymore.
	Well, did he send like a breakup text?
	Nope.
	Did he talk to you?
	Nope.
	Do you think there's anything that triggered that?
	I forget if we've talked.
	We probably have.
	Yeah, we have.
	I think what triggered it is like we had like a conversation about me leaving to go for a semester because I was deciding to move to New York and he just like wasn't talking to me about it.
	Like I would ask him and be like, hey, how do you feel about this?
	He'd be like, you do what you got to do.
	And I was like, okay, but how do you feel?
	And like, and like we were having another conversation about New York.
	And I was like, I feel like you've just been really mean to me since I decided this.
	I don't understand.
	And like, and like, I feel like you don't want to be friends with me anymore.
	And he was like, so you don't want to be friends.
	And I was like, see, I never even said that, bro.
	I hate when I'm going to say guys.
	I'm sure women do this too, but I hate when guys do that.
	It's like, they'll put words in my mouth.
	It's like, oh, so you never even cared about me.
	Like, did I even say that?
	Why did I ever say that?
	Anyway.
	I digress.
	Oh, yeah.
	I digress.
	No talk about it.
	So the cops came to no campus security, not the cops.
	Totally.
	When I get an infraction, when I go to jail.
	Talk about it.
	Go on that.
	So, I mean, he blocked you and then you fucked his car up.
	It's a saloon.
	I feel like it's a lot of.
	I try.
	Okay, okay.
	Okay, changes the paint.
	Okay, so a little bit more, a little bit more backstory.
	A little bit more backstory.
	We tried.
	I attempted to converse with him before this multiple times.
	I would knock on his door.
	So I, like, I texted him.
	Hey, she said she was being petty and she was mentally unstable.
	Yeah, and I made it clear.
	We were talking about revenge.
	She did her big one.
	I was just mad.
	I haven't done anything like that since.
	That was years ago, team.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right.
	Do any of the girls here? Show of hands.
	Did she, do you guys think she did something wrong?
	Just curious.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm not saying I didn't do anything wrong.
	Show of hands, though.
	If you don't raise your hand, I'm going to assume the opposite.
	I didn't say I didn't do anything wrong.
	I never said that.
	I think you can laugh about it.
	I think you can laugh about it.
	It's been years.
	What else are you going to do?
	Sometimes all you can do is laugh.
	Can you laugh about it?
	Okay.
	Oh.
	What were you going to say, sir?
	Well, let's play this game.
	What can we laugh about?
	Well, okay.
	I like to joke about my trauma, quote unquote.
	I don't know.
	I think it's funny.
	I have crude, dark, twisted humor, perhaps, but I don't know.
	I would never joke about anyone else's trauma or circumstances, but I don't know.
	I think you need to find light in darkness sometimes.
	You know?
	I don't know.
	I can't really disagree with that.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Because why would I just wallow about it?
	You know, sometimes all you can do is laugh.
	Do you regret it?
	What?
	Okay, okay, okay.
	I will say I regret the extent to which I like, like, I didn't need all that.
	I could have just burned this stuff.
	I think it's a good thing.
	I need a fucking car.
	I could have just burned the stuff in the trash can.
	I had no business doing shit to his car.
	I actually.
	She fucked his car up.
	Wait, how does a bologna car?
	If you put baloney on a hot day, it'll like stick to it so when you like unstick it.
	This sounds bologna.
	By going into the logistics of it.
	I would like to know if this is actually a felony or if you pull that out of your butt.
	Because you said it was a felony, sir.
	Well, I mean, so depending on the amount of property damage it does, again, I'm not entirely sure how much the extent of the damage it can do, but like having to repaint your entire car can't.
	I think there's just one piece of bologna, right?
	Not like the whole car was covered, was it?
	No, not his whole car.
	It wasn't just a bologna sandwich.
	It was like the whole thing.
	No, It wasn't his whole car.
	For as long as we do that, you don't fuck.
	You don't fuck with a man's car.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't do his whole car.
	Harry Underwood does.
	It doesn't matter.
	I just did his driver's door.
	All right, we have Ellie.
	I'm going to have you read some of these chats.
	Of course.
	Hold on one sec.
	Explain.
	Uno memento.
	It's loading.
	There it is.
	Yo, Ellie, do you think NetSpen is going to take Blades Throne?
	Drain Gang, shout out Echo.
	He pulled up in a rover.
	I do not think NetSpen is going to take Blades Throne.
	What?
	Okay.
	Disregard.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	No idea what that's about.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, okay, this one's, we're just going to blast through these questions super quick.
	Not related to dating at all, but it's just kind of fun.
	For me, anyways, I guess.
	What years were World War I?
	God.
	Oh.
	No idea.
	How about what decade was you?
	World War I?
	Just what decade?
	1940s, 1950s, 1960s?
	What decade?
	I was going to say the 1800s.
	1800s?
	Okay.
	1900s.
	No, no, no.
	That's century.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Yes, let's specify decades.
	So 1830s, 40s, 50s?
	Let me do 1820.
	1820?
	1920, 1920, 1930.
	1930s for World War I.
	Okay, what about that?
	1940s, what do you think?
	1840s?
	18.
	1840s?
	No, actually, no.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I am trying to remember.
	If you asked me when I was 16 taking AP World, APUN, I would have known.
	But it's like, I don't study this stuff.
	Maybe 1920s.
	Just ballparking.
	Oh, no.
	1920s.
	Okay, what about you?
	I know.
	1914, 1918.
	Okay, that's a guess.
	I'm going to say late 1950s.
	Late 1950s?
	What do you think?
	1912, 1917.
	What do you think?
	I think it's like around 1918.
	Yeah.
	I just realized Zar Nicholas was overthrown, so I'm way off.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's the Bolshevik Revolution.
	I'm so off.
	Forgive me.
	It is.
	Ellie there is correct.
	Congratulations.
	Good job.
	Give me too much credit.
	I just remembered it from last week.
	She yanked that one.
	Yeah, but you don't learn that in college.
	She is correct.
	She's studying.
	1914, 1918.
	Current events matters.
	What years were World War II?
	Welcome.
	Oh, I got this one.
	1948 to.
	I don't know.
	Oh, 1948 to when?
	When did it end?
	When does it start?
	When does it end?
	1955.
	Okay, your thoughts?
	1940s, 1944-ish.
	No, I might be wrong on that one.
	Try to stay.
	I'm sorry.
	It's 1940s, but I can't think of it.
	Tilt your mic down a little bit.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	I was going to say 1940s to 1950s.
	I also believe it's the 1940s.
	We're going to skip Ellie.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to say the 1950s.
	Okay.
	1940.
	Let's tilt your mic down a bit.
	What about you?
	I think things kicked off at the end of the 1930s, and then it ended, I want to say, in like 47.
	Okay, Ellie, dates, guys, drum roll, please.
	Sorry, don't you actually do that?
	I shouldn't have said that.
	Yeah, good.
	1939 to 1945.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Well done.
	She has it.
	Good job.
	Okay, here we go.
	Name, name, three countries.
	Go.
	Wow, really?
	Cuba, Brazil, Belize.
	China, Russia, America.
	You can't repeat, by the way.
	Japan, Italy, and Greece.
	Peru, Portugal, Australia.
	Korea, Vietnam, United States.
	Switzerland, China, and England.
	Is that a country?
	Or is that a town?
	We'll accept it.
	We'll accept it.
	I think that's kind of weird.
	I'm going to go.
	Did someone say Canada already?
	No, I don't believe it.
	Canada, Mexico.
	Kenya.
	Paraguay, Uruguay.
	And let's see.
	Czechoslovakia.
	Beautiful.
	Well done.
	Well done, everybody.
	Because of our stream yards is all scuffed.
	Normally we have a chat that comes through.
	The question is, no, it's not that.
	Somebody in the chat, usually Stiffler, I think, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven starting with you.
	Looks, scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	9.5.
	9.5.
	Okay.
	It's kind of awkward to give myself a high rating.
	It's just awkward.
	Yeah, just whatever the hell.
	I'll just say six.
	I'll just say six.
	Be confident, though.
	I'm confident, but it's just stock work.
	Eight, what about you?
	Eight in Nahav.
	Okay.
	Four.
	Bitch.
	I would say like a ten.
	Six.
	Yeah, I'm a solid six on a good day.
	No, we're on a bad.
	Okay, we got what did you say?
	I just said six because it's just weird to rate myself.
	I'm like, let everybody else recognize.
	Okay, we got 9.5, we've got an eight.
	What did you say?
	8.5?
	I said 8.5.
	8.5.
	And then 10.
	Those are the high ratings.
	I give myself a 5.
	Okay, wow.
	There's some.
	You're going to go through and rate us now.
	No, I'm not going to.
	I won't give you guys ratings.
	I will say there were some high rankings here at the table.
	Just curious, though, since we do have one person who rated themselves the highest.
	So you gave yourself a 10?
	Yes.
	So, but the other women, they ranked themselves all lower than you.
	Is it your position?
	Do you like disagree with them?
	Do you think their ratings were too low?
	I think their ratings were too low.
	I personally think we're all tens.
	That's just my personal thing.
	No.
	Well, how do you, how do you, I guess, recognize that?
	No, I didn't.
	I never said all women are tens.
	I said this table.
	I said people at this table were all tens.
	All the women at this table are tens.
	Yes.
	Are all the men at this table tens?
	The one man.
	Yeah, the one man that's here, yeah.
	He doesn't buy that.
	He has like eyes.
	But I guess I'm confused here.
	So, like, everybody's just equal at the table?
	Yeah, everybody's not one.
	There's nothing because you're by, right?
	So you must make some determinations as to like, oh, this girl's more attractive than this girl.
	I'm more attracted to her.
	But all the women here are just across the line.
	I believe they're all tens.
	Yes, I do.
	All tens.
	Yes.
	There's not like a nine at the table?
	No, I believe we're all tens.
	All tens.
	Yes, I think we're all very like gorgeous women.
	The self-rated four.
	Yes.
	She's beautiful.
	Everybody here is very, very beautiful.
	And I feel like everybody should have given themselves a 10 because that's what we all are.
	Oops.
	Sorry, didn't mean to do that.
	Okay.
	Now I want to ask.
	They're very angelic.
	Wait, do that look again, Ellie.
	Do the look that you did.
	What look?
	Oh, okay.
	That one.
	The look that you like looked her up and eyes are up.
	Oh, that was unintentional.
	My bad.
	A little sad.
	Okay.
	It was a little, yeah.
	Does anybody, you know, she calls herself a 10.
	Do any of the women at the table here who didn't rate themselves a 10 feel.
	Do you guys think this is an accurate rating?
	I think that I don't know if it's an accurate rating.
	I mean, none of us here are tens.
	I don't see that at all.
	But, you know, it is what it is.
	Can I ask you?
	Because obviously everyone has different types, different metrics of who they consider beautiful, attractive, whatever.
	What is a 10 in a woman to you since none of us are here, apparently?
	I don't know.
	I mean, yeah, an example of a 10.
	An example of a 10, a celebrity example.
	I don't.
	Rihanna?
	Paulina Pariscova and her heyday was gorgeous.
	A lot of them are.
	Sidney Sweeney.
	Oh, yeah, Sidney Sweeney.
	Who the fuck is that going?
	What the?
	She has great genes.
	That's my example.
	Sidney Sweeney has great genes.
	Are they real, though?
	See, this was.
	I mean, people will often say, like, Megan Fox when she was younger.
	I think she's a little bit more than a hundred.
	No, you don't think that's a good one.
	She's hot.
	Oh, I totally agree.
	Yeah.
	Megan Fox.
	Well, let's do this.
	Who do you think is a woman who's a 10?
	Who do I think is a woman who's a 10?
	Yeah, like somebody like a Megan the Stallion.
	Meg the Stallion.
	Megan the Stallion.
	Megan the Stallion is a 10.
	Yes.
	I don't even know if I want to look at Megan the Stallion right now.
	She's a stallion.
	She's a tall.
	She's beautiful.
	She's a basketball player right now.
	She is pretty.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	She's pretty teased.
	She's an independent artist and she's this famous.
	Okay.
	Who would you rate a 10?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What celebrity would you rate a 10?
	Yeah, exactly that.
	You know, it's hard.
	Who's I'm trying to think.
	I think I posted some photos in my Discord.
	Let me think who I did now.
	Discord.
	Looks.
	No, I don't think I posted it.
	But without makeup as a 10, because I know you're not really pro makeup.
	I give who's the I forgot her name.
	The girl who was in Smallville that I always cite to that nobody agrees with me is a I don't think she's a 10, but she's a solid Kristen Kruik.
	She's like a solid 8.5.
	I don't know who that is.
	Maybe even a 9.
	Can you pull up an image?
	Is that why you're looking at that?
	Young Kristen Krug, though.
	Yeah, she's Waysian.
	I would like to see.
	But look, some pictures are more flattering than others.
	Well, yeah.
	Hold on, wait, Nick.
	Don't pull it up because you're going to find a bad photo.
	Everyone in the chat, if we show her the old photos, let me see what that's going to be.
	The new Tegina one.
	Or was it clean and clear?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	I say young Kristen Krueck.
	Let's see who this one is.
	Pretty hot.
	Pretty hot.
	I'm trying to see if I can find some good photos.
	Here, Nick, why don't we do this?
	Just Google Kristen Krueck, and fine.
	We'll see some of her various photos.
	Just type in Kristen Krueck.
	She's 43 now.
	42.
	So we are going to see some of her.
	Young.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Pull it up.
	What do you have?
	Click on that first one, the IMDB one.
	That just is pretty.
	Oh, okay.
	They're going to give us the fucking mini photo.
	Okay.
	Scroll down on the side there.
	Scroll down.
	So I'm going to see if I'm getting the same photo.
	She's cute.
	Scroll down, scroll down.
	I see it.
	Very pretty.
	Scroll down, Go, go, go.
	More, Evangeline Lily.
	Hold on, fuck.
	I love her smile.
	I'm a big, like, TP.
	Yeah, the one with the white shirt.
	What did you say?
	Just give a nice smile.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah, click it.
	Just click on that one.
	Just click it?
	Oh, my God.
	That's so annoying.
	Oh, it's because it's zoomed in.
	Zoom out.
	Zoom out.
	Go to 100.
	Go to 100?
	Or no?
	Go 150 was good.
	I guess.
	Yeah, she's pretty.
	Yeah, she's really pretty.
	She's like 14.
	Young.
	She has those Asian jeans.
	She's still looking young and beautiful.
	Like young, you know, yeah.
	I see what you're saying.
	It was like my celebrity crush font.
	Yeah, totally.
	What about?
	I give her a solid eight.
	Yeah.
	Who's your 10?
	We're asking who your 10 is.
	Slash nine, potentially.
	Do you have a 10?
	A type?
	A 10.
	A 10.
	Oh, a 10.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, man.
	That's hard.
	That's hard, man.
	I'd say Evangeline Lily.
	Adriana.
	Oh, from Lost.
	We do actually have some photos.
	You know what?
	Here, Nick, pull up the looks tab in the Discord.
	We have some photos of her already.
	Let me know when you have it.
	I have it.
	All right.
	Just don't show the first picture, okay?
	Scroll up.
	Do you have it?
	I'd say Scarlet Jamanton, too.
	Hide the latest one.
	I think you know what I mean.
	All right, click on the third one at the top.
	Oh, from Lost.
	I like her.
	She's very good.
	I give her a solid.
	That's a solid nine.
	She's cute.
	She's pretty good.
	Who's her 10?
	I ever saw a nine.
	Yeah.
	You know, you're a brown enough tune.
	More simple girl.
	She doesn't think tens exists.
	Simple.
	Well, she's pretty, but you kind of have more of a sip, soft, simple.
	Even the first one, she's more soft, simple.
	Girl next door type vibe.
	Yeah, that's what I'm getting from you.
	Oh, right.
	I don't want like fake titty.
	That's what I mean.
	Like the mask thing.
	Yeah, because you're so anti-makeup.
	Pretty much.
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	Do you have a guy who you think is a 10?
	Oh, wait.
	I had a Jordan crush.
	Did he say Michael B. Jordan?
	Yes, I did.
	Have you seen that man?
	Did you watch him with Sinners?
	Yeah, so I think it is very chocolate.
	I think the audience probably knows who that is, Michael B. Jordan.
	So you're a 10, he's a 10.
	He's crazy.
	Do you think that you could get Michael B. Jordan?
	No.
	Why not?
	Because it's Michael B. Jordan.
	But you're a 10.
	But it's Michael B. Jordan.
	But he's a 10 and you're a 10.
	Why can't you get him?
	I'd be so nervous.
	I'd probably fumble.
	I'd probably trip.
	No if he'd be afraid of him.
	He'd take care of you, baby girl.
	He probably would.
	He most definitely would.
	And let me tell you, if he ever said, let's go, I'm going in a heartbeat.
	But like, realistically, it probably wouldn't happen.
	Who's a 10?
	Never shout out.
	There is one.
	I mean, you could go to the models, like Adriana Lima.
	Oh, duh.
	Gorgeous.
	What about Morgan Johnson Taylor?
	Who's that?
	Is that the football player?
	No, he.
	No.
	No, he's not.
	But he mixed up the names Aaron Taylor Jordan.
	Johnson.
	Oh, is that the guy with the age gap relationship?
	Yes.
	The guy who's dating an old lady.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's a problem.
	That's another.
	That's another conversation.
	Was he groomed?
	Totally groomed.
	Oh.
	Well, they met when he was underaged.
	Was he underage?
	He was underage.
	There could be some arguments there.
	How awkward and how awkward for her daughters that are his age.
	How awkward is that?
	He could.
	Yeah, he's a good-looking guy.
	He could, you know, do better.
	Beyond that.
	I think Austin Butler.
	Oh, yeah.
	Austin Butler.
	Yeah.
	Who's that?
	I know.
	He played Elvis.
	You might sound nice.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I know who you're talking about.
	That one guy that poses all the time.
	Caught stealing out.
	I know who you're talking about.
	I know who you're talking about.
	Do you guys have childhood crushes?
	Yes.
	Mine was Cameron Boyce.
	Rest in peace.
	My wife, Aaron Carter.
	Rest in peace.
	Oh, Aaron Carter.
	Yeah.
	You're a 9.5.
	Give us a person who, a guy who you think is a 9.5.
	Like a celebrity crush or like social media star?
	A celebrity, sure.
	Somebody we could look up.
	Okay.
	Like they could just be, I don't know.
	Somebody who's public.
	I think Noah Beck.
	Who's that?
	Can we Google?
	Yeah, TikToker.
	That's a good one.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Who that?
	Wait, is that the guy who used to date Audison right now, right?
	No.
	One of the D'Amilios.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Broccoli hair.
	Broccoli hair guy.
	He's like a thicker neck.
	I feel like there was a lot of money.
	There was that man.
	Oh, this guy.
	Okay, this guy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So do you think you could land him?
	Yeah, I've talked to him before.
	Or Vinny Hacker.
	Vinny Hacker's been in my DM.
	Oh, who's okay?
	I don't know any of that.
	You got to search up Vinny Hacker.
	Search Vinny Hacker.
	He's a TikTok celebrity.
	He's so nice.
	He's also a model, yeah.
	He's also what?
	Model.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Vinny Hacker.
	Vinny Hacker, yeah.
	Look it up.
	Wait, so you said you've met Noah Beck.
	Yes.
	But I asked if you could get him.
	Yeah.
	Did you get him?
	I didn't try.
	Ah, she didn't try.
	But if you did, you could have.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do we have the photos?
	Okay.
	Oh, so fine.
	So fine.
	He looks toxic.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He looks toxic.
	He wants to keep her in my life.
	Can we pull up the first picture?
	He's up to no.
	Right.
	I'm looking at that one, dude.
	It's a bit small.
	Okay.
	Just click on some of them.
	Okay.
	He's too feminine.
	He needs a haircut.
	Click on the top right one, I guess.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So he's in your DMs?
	He's been in my DMs, yeah.
	I see him at parties occasionally.
	What did he say?
	It was just casual conversation.
	He's into your DMs.
	Yeah.
	You didn't slide into his DMs?
	No, this was 2019, but we still occasionally see each other at parties.
	He doesn't really do the dating thing, and he's very open that he doesn't do that.
	What does he do?
	Just hook up once and never talk to you again?
	No, he doesn't really get with girls at all.
	He's like very nerdy, very gamer type.
	He's a streamer, isn't he?
	Yes, he recently is voice acting.
	Like for anime, actually.
	I've seen it on my For You page.
	I mean, that's what he says, but we don't have that.
	So I don't know about turning down girls all the time that are tens.
	Like his friends always are like, I can't believe you turned that girl down.
	Like he doesn't really date.
	But he initially slid into your DMs and you just weren't feeling it?
	I didn't live out here at the time.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If you wanted to, do you think you could land him?
	Yeah.
	why don't you want to because i don't feel like i'm successful enough to really need to be like i am very passionate about my career and focusing on myself and being the best version of me before trying to commit to somebody that's already at their success level that i want to be at Success.
	How do you find success?
	What's your definition of it?
	Reaching my dream career.
	Which is what?
	I would say right now I want to get more into modeling and commercial modeling.
	Right now I am financially stable and in a career that I enjoy.
	So it's more of just getting into that dream field rather than just a career I enjoy doing.
	So you're not successful enough to get with him, is what you're saying?
	No, I didn't say that.
	I'm just saying I'm not worried about chasing those types of men right now.
	Like they're already very well off.
	I want to be very well off myself before I go after somebody that's already very well off.
	You could still accomplish being very well off while you're with somebody that is also very well off and perhaps like with greater resources and connections too.
	I mean, but then again, I say that and I mean, I was working at Home Depot when I met my husband.
	I feel like when you're going after somebody with that status, sometimes it can come off as you're a clout chaser, especially in the social media fields.
	So it's like you have yours.
	Yeah, but not to that extent.
	Guys don't really care about it.
	In social media, they do.
	Maybe in social media, but that's not really like a provider kind that you want to go the long run with.
	The longevity, yeah.
	Yeah, that's just, yeah, he's not even, yeah, not very masculine.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Why do women overrate themselves, though?
	That's what I'm confused about.
	I don't know.
	I do think that there can be objective metrics of the analysis of beauty, but there are obviously some people value Eurocentric features.
	Some people value African features.
	Like, I don't know.
	I feel that there's a spectrum to it.
	And when women rate themselves highly, I believe that's just a reflection of their own personal confidence and security in themselves, even if you don't agree with their rating.
	I don't necessarily see an issue in a woman rating.
	Yeah, but can I just say a woman who's just like, oh, I'm a six and I'm fine with it.
	Wouldn't that be confidence too?
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	I think, you know, it's different for everybody.
	I'd rather underrate myself.
	It's like cooking food.
	I'd rather under salt than over salt, if that makes any sense.
	That's it.
	I just want to put you in my pocket.
	Sometimes if there's versions of yourself, you can look back on and be like, oh, I was definitely like this number then, and now I'm definitely upgraded now.
	It's like, definitely thought I was an eight 10 years ago.
	I was so cute 10 years ago.
	What happened?
	You're still cute.
	Stop it.
	Wait, question for you, though.
	What do you rate me?
	I'm not going to be offended.
	You can be honest.
	Me?
	No, you.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	I already rated you.
	Yeah, you gave me a 10, but like, would is that your actual, like, that's what you'd rate me?
	Like, if I'm.
	You can be, like, I'm not going to be upset.
	You can rate me a four.
	I'm not going to be a little bit more.
	Like, if I thought about it.
	It's based on what your type is, you know?
	My type specifically, not being objective.
	I'm asking you, right?
	I mean, how do you want her to handle it?
	You can give me both answers.
	You can say objective, objective.
	I feel like from an objective standpoint, you would be like, not from my personal type.
	I feel like you'd be a 10 in other women's eyes.
	From my eyes, I would say more 5, 5.5, only because you're out of my age range, if that makes sense.
	I'm a fan of hair.
	So I like people who have a lot of hair on their head.
	He's cool.
	Well, wait, let me explain to you.
	Do you like that photo?
	Like, let me finish my thought.
	Like like I like guys with the whole head of hair all around not like Okay, like his hair in the back his hair right there.
	That's the highlight She loves broccoli hair.
	Yeah.
	Longer.
	I'm using you as an example, sir.
	But, like, I like, like, the shaggy, like, type hair.
	Rock star hair.
	I like it when my husband grows his hair out.
	He's always getting haircuts and it's when they have all raised too.
	He's got two green.
	Like, we all have our things.
	He's always making appointments to go get his haircut.
	Just let your curls.
	Literally.
	Get Latino hair.
	So good.
	In your perspective, if you and me were dating, and this is just looks right, you would be settling me, settling for me.
	Like, that would be your perspective.
	If I'm with you, I'm probably not settling.
	Like, I don't know you personally.
	No, but I mean, you said that from your perspective, like looks-wise, yes.
	Yeah, you're five, or sorry, you said I'm a 5.5, and you said you're a 10.
	So from your perspective, you'd be settling in terms of looks.
	Yes.
	Look, I'm not offended.
	I'm just like.
	You asked him just.
	I don't think your rating of me is off, but I think your rating of yourself is so off to the point.
	I think I love my.
	I think I just have confidence.
	You gotta rate everybody, Brian.
	Yeah, I feel like it's time.
	I actually wouldn't.
	No, I feel like it's not like you want to.
	I mean, I'll rate you guys if each of you individually are okay with it.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I would like you to start with her, though, because she just rated you.
	Yeah, sorry for you.
	Yeah.
	I'm just curious.
	I just want to be clear.
	Like, I'm going, my rating of you is not going to change because you gave me a 5.5.
	It's going to remain the exact same as I assessed it even before that.
	I'm not going to do this vindictive thing or whatever.
	Okay.
	I mean, it would be kind of nice to go around this way.
	Yeah, do you think that's a good idea?
	Are you doing objective or like personal type based?
	Yeah, because I did objective and personalize.
	It would be a subjective rating.
	Okay, I'm just asking, clarifying.
	Because I don't think.
	Yeah, there's no objective.
	It wouldn't be.
	You know what I mean?
	It would be subjective because it would be my like another guy could give you a different rating.
	Well, I just wasn't sure if you were doing like practical beauty standard or you're just personal type.
	Yeah.
	That's what I meant.
	Like just to clarify.
	There's a difference.
	Yeah, I'd say I would say there is a bit of a difference.
	But yeah, I'll give you my rating.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	And you guys are wearing makeup, so I'm going to like in the brain remove your makeup in my head.
	Look at my cellar water and you're consistent.
	I can appreciate it.
	All right.
	6, 5.
	5.5 6.
	Maybe 6.5.
	7.5.
	3?
	You know what?
	Hold on.
	2.5.
	Wait.
	2.5 for both of you.
	Are you blind?
	Did that not feel racial?
	5.5.
	Let us know if you agree in the comments.
	Did that not feel racially beneficial.
	Well, I think he's into Asian homes.
	I like white women.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I was just saying.
	I date white women, Latina women, Asian women, occasionally black women.
	Native Americans.
	I've dated a Native American.
	Oh, okay.
	She was a Cherokee.
	Was she?
	Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
	I don't.
	I'll date different races.
	Wait, what's your basis for giving us the rating?
	Like, what are you looking at?
	And what do you face and body?
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you, since you couldn't find a particular person who exemplified this, but describe your 10 of a woman?
	I'm just curious.
	Oh, young Adriana Lima, I guess.
	She's pretty good.
	Yeah, duh.
	Yeah.
	Young Megan Fox.
	So Brunette.
	But young.
	Must be young.
	Beauty is a 2.5.
	Yeah.
	So you rate yourself, you rated yourself a six, wasn't it?
	You rated yourself a five.
	So that'd put me pretty average.
	So you think that's you believe that you are more attractive than what, half of the women here?
	Or I don't remember your exact ratings.
	I have just two.
	Two?
	And the same level of half.
	He said like the same level as half because he rated like half the girls fives, five and a half.
	I don't even remember the ratings I gave, but I think most of the women I rated.
	Well, he gave Ellie Ellie average.
	Ellie is seven.
	Seven, seven, seven point five.
	I gave you six, six point five.
	Five point five.
	Yeah.
	Six.
	2.5.
	2.5.
	5.5, I think.
	Yeah.
	So I rated most of the women on lookspace is more attractive than me, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	What's interesting about it?
	I just feel like you're not interesting to hear your rating.
	I'm not a black.
	No, no, I said it feels like you're not into black women.
	That's okay.
	I'm just, I'm, well, no, I'm just bound for you.
	There's beautiful black women, but no, I, no, I wasn't trying to zoom.
	I was just saying what it looked like.
	I'm not assuming, I swear.
	Questions that I don't want to sound like a pick-me.
	I'm just curious, like, to understand how your brain works.
	So, you rated her the highest?
	Sure.
	You know what?
	What the fuck, Ellie?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just putting it on the spot.
	My bad.
	Okay.
	I won't even drag you into this.
	Actually, I'm gonna.
	Just a beautiful.
	How, you know, without being whatever.
	Just speak freely.
	I think we all could suffer.
	Yeah, what's the question?
	Go ahead.
	How can she be a 10 since she's your highest rating?
	You're 7, 7.5.
	What would make her go higher in your eyes?
	I'm just curious.
	How can Ellie become wait?
	That would be rated.
	How could I say that?
	How could she look smacks for you?
	Yeah, she's got to fix her posture a little bit.
	Well, I'm like a gollom right now.
	4chan, posture.
	Rusting bitch face.
	She's got, no, I mean, he's into that.
	There's really not a whole bunch that I think people can do to improve.
	You think you got it or you don't?
	Like, you're born with it.
	Unless you enhance it.
	Well, I mean, I feel like he's made it clear he's not into what?
	Like enhanced enhancements.
	Oh, no.
	That would love to be able to do that.
	She would have to enhance the same way.
	If Ellie had fake boobs, she'd go down in rating.
	Right, right, right.
	She had some giant fake cans down.
	She'd be less attractive.
	Can we get like a chest plate in here?
	I feel like that's a good prop.
	A chest plate.
	A chest plate?
	What's that?
	A chest plate.
	Like those huge silicone boobs.
	Oh, the, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
	I mean, what can somebody do to look better?
	Everything he's doing.
	Well, it's only better.
	Ellie spazzes your love diet, your workout rotation.
	You got what you got.
	It was just another extension of like disingenuity.
	Like with the makeup thing.
	And then like, I don't know, plastic surgery.
	So I don't think anybody can really do that except for, I guess, if he's really looking inward on somebody, then can't really change much.
	Yeah, I think Ellie's kind of like her stats are kind of maxed out.
	Oh.
	This is the best it'll ever be.
	Well, I think you're beautiful.
	She's going to crawl aimlessly into the camera.
	She's good.
	I mean, there's like probably there, there's, in terms of making yourself more attractive beyond just looks, though, yeah, there's things that people can do.
	Oh, for sure.
	Like, which I guess gets us into our next topic.
	You had an issue with bowing.
	Bowing?
	Or who was that?
	Somebody had an issue with the bow.
	Bowing.
	Who has a bow?
	What kind of bow?
	Oh, right.
	So, Nick, can you pull up the bow video?
	We'll get into that.
	The Japanese do it.
	I like their culture.
	Hold on for just a moment.
	Just one sec.
	It was.
	I think I had the issue.
	I think I agreed.
	Oh, maybe it was an agreement.
	Maybe I said you want to talk about beauty standards, feminism, the bow.
	Oh, so you're on board with the bow.
	I am on board with the bow.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought you were going to be able to do that.
	That kind of bow?
	I mean, you know, even like a courtsy or whatever.
	You said that you're in line with most of what I say.
	Only some of my stances are goofy.
	Yeah.
	Which are the goofy stances?
	Oh, man.
	Probably your BLM move in here.
	Big labia matter.
	That one caught me off guard.
	If you have big labia and you've ever tried to trim those bad boys or wax them, I don't think that you'd probably be like, yeah, big labia.
	Okay.
	So you're saying you're rock.
	I think it's goofy.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	I think that stance is goofy.
	Yeah, big labia matter.
	They do.
	I mean, they matter.
	All labia matter.
	But I mean, if that's your preference, then rock on, man.
	I mean, I'll date, like, innies are great too.
	But it won't be your first pick.
	It's like I have a preference for Audis.
	But it's not a deal breaker.
	You love that?
	I don't know.
	I feel that men don't typically say such bold things.
	So I like that you said that.
	Well, most men will say, like, they either have misconceptions about it, like, oh, she's been, like, if a girl has an Audi, she's fucked a bunch of dudes.
	That's not how anatomy works.
	And then, yeah, that's just not how that works.
	And then, I don't know.
	Me personally.
	You okay, Felicity?
	Yeah.
	You need some applesauce?
	Can we get Felicia?
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm giving you a hard time, Felicity.
	Felicity is allowed breather.
	Sometimes I think she's like, fuck this.
	I have no idea.
	Yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know.
	Like, women have a genitalia preference.
	Like, they want a guy with a package.
	No, that's not true.
	Yet they have to know how to use their own.
	I mean, I guess you have a preference.
	Then women have a preference against small pens.
	You know, some girls are into that.
	Small peens?
	Some, yeah.
	I definitely have some female friends who, like, dare I say, can't handle.
	Oh, sorry.
	I have female friends who have boyfriends who are below average and they're perfectly happy because it's about the motion of the ocean in their relationship.
	I don't relate to that, but they each their own.
	Different strokes for different folks.
	Literally.
	Anyways, I mean, there's not really too much to debate there on the labia thing, but I just said I didn't.
	Are you trying to get a labia plasty?
	Is that what no?
	No.
	I just thought that it was a goofy view.
	That's what the question was.
	I guess what's good.
	Why does labia matter, huh?
	The preference itself, I think.
	Why is that goofy?
	Why is it goofy?
	Oh, here, let me get back into the frame of mind that I was when I wrote this.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's going to get there.
	I just think it was silly.
	I think.
	Oh, okay.
	I think you did it because BLM also stands for something else.
	Yeah.
	And you're trying to capitalize on the moment.
	I was trying to capitalize on the BLM.
	Yeah, the Black Lives Matter movement, of course.
	No, I mean, I wouldn't.
	It's a play on words a little bit, but I definitely have always been an advocate for women with large labia.
	And I also have a dating preference.
	Oh, my God.
	Is that like in your Tinder bio?
	For a period of time, I did write on Hinge.
	I don't know.
	You know, there's the prompts.
	It's like, you should definitely message me if you have a big labia.
	If you have a giant labia.
	If you have a Guinness World record.
	Record-breaking.
	I've been labia catfished before, though, which is frustrating.
	What?
	You know, I don't think I've ever heard a sentence like that.
	Yeah, so explain to that too for me.
	Yeah, no, like someone.
	But how about this, girls?
	Have you ever had a dude who said he had a big dick, didn't have a big dick?
	I'll be honest, I rarely have the conversation about genitalia prior to the action.
	And I've been disappointed before.
	Like, I thought it was going to be bigger, but it's not like, oh, he said it was big and then it wasn't.
	It was like, oh, I had hopes that it would be bigger and I was disappointed.
	Did you not talk to him after the disappointment?
	What am I supposed to say?
	Because it's like, was it a one-time thing because of the small people?
	I don't know, because that's the thing.
	Like, I've definitely been interested in guys before who, you know, I'll be honest, had small penises.
	And it's just unfortunate when you, because it's not their fault.
	You know, they were born that way.
	But sex is a big deal to me in a relationship.
	And, you know, let's say they're not very proficient in other things, such as foreplay.
	It's like, what are you even meant to do at that point?
	Teach him.
	Why am I your fucking teacher, though?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I would rather them know what they're doing already, to be honest.
	That's an honest answer, though.
	I mean, it's an honest answer.
	Yeah.
	I think most women probably feel that way.
	But yeah.
	How did we get here?
	How did we get here?
	I know.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure.
	Preferences.
	No comment on the meat curtains.
	That's it.
	Not the meat curtain.
	No comments.
	No comments.
	Have you been shamed?
	Have you?
	Somebody shamed you before?
	No.
	It's not proper conversation, really.
	Oh, but you were saying how you don't, you're not having that conversation often, right?
	And I think that's true.
	Probably most guys, but I have heard stories about how some guys will say that they're packing and the girl's like, nah, it wasn't, no, not packing.
	Some guys are overconfident.
	Some guys mislead, and I've been catfished.
	In the labio.
	They say they got an Audi, not an Audi.
	It was an overselly.
	Maybe they've been gaslit.
	Nah, probably not.
	I don't know.
	Because I would say, to generalize, I would say that most men prefer any.
	Would you agree with that?
	I would agree with that.
	Hence, your movement.
	So maybe she didn't even know.
	I'm a Maverick.
	I'm a Maverick.
	I'm spearheading this movement.
	It's beautiful.
	Are you on board?
	Are you wanting to join the movie?
	You know, I support your movement.
	I have, yes, in every regard.
	I have no comment, but I support you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, moving on from that topic, where were we?
	We were going to get into what?
	Bow.
	Oh, the bow.
	Thank you, Nick, for the reminder.
	The Kirk's mother.
	Nick, could you close one of those doors?
	Let's go ahead and pull up the bow video.
	So this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.
	And I show this to my new girls I'm dating so they know my expectations.
	It's like a tutorial.
	I show, you got to kind of, you know, get the girls on the right track.
	So this is a tutorial video I show them.
	All right, go ahead.
	Boom.
	Bow immediately, come through the door.
	Huge bow, respectful bow.
	And then, look, this was after a long podcast.
	I was tired.
	Get to the laundry, get the laundry done.
	She has my dinner ready.
	You got to scamper across the apartment.
	Open cracks open my beer for me.
	Stirs my noodles.
	She didn't stir them good enough, so I had to scold her and tell her to do it better.
	And then, but I. She's actually speaking Japanese the whole time.
	Is that part of the requirements?
	She was actually Chinese.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	So it's kind of racist.
	No kids.
	I'm sorry.
	And play the bow part one more time.
	The bow is the most important.
	Forget whatever, the clothes, whatever.
	Dinner, whatever.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	You see the depth.
	You see the hands, the submissive hand posture.
	That's my expectation in a relationship.
	Every time I come home, I want to bow, greet me at the door with a bow, a low respect, a cooked dinner.
	I'm sorry, I just don't think that video was a prime example.
	What do you mean?
	Well, she didn't mama bird your beer and your noodles into your mouth, so I'm thinking she's falling short.
	Mama bird.
	So it's in her mouth and she.
	Yeah.
	Have you done that with someone?
	No, I just think that's what you should come to expect.
	I don't know.
	With the bat.
	It's kind of gross to be.
	I mean, after a long day at work, you want to be chewing your food?
	Really?
	That is a, you raise a fair point there, Ellie.
	That's very considerate of you, but, you know, I can sufficiently chew my food.
	You're better than most.
	Mastication.
	We can see why.
	We can see Ellie is the best housewife over here.
	Totally.
	Mom and birding food.
	Do you want a girlfriend or an assistant?
	What do you mean?
	Because I felt like that video showed her being your assistant, not a girlfriend.
	Yeah, I'm happy to engage with that.
	Ex-girlfriend.
	I dumped her.
	Yeah, I dumped her.
	Because she wasn't a good enough assistant.
	Correct.
	Gotcha.
	Do you want a guy to pay for the first date when you go on a date?
	I always offer to pay.
	But if a guy paid, like, if a guy took you up on that offer, like I want a man.
	Because women say, I offer as a token gesture, but don't actually expect or want the guy to pay, anyways.
	And it would be an issue if the guy took you up on your token fake gesture.
	If they took me up on it, it would just show me more about his perception and his viewpoints.
	What's his perception viewpoint if he takes you up on the words that came out of your mouth?
	Like, it's like, okay, you don't want to pay for a first date.
	And that says what?
	It says you're broke.
	Not necessarily, but in other words, you're saying.
	If you asked me out, why would you not pay?
	I'm doing you the favor of coming to the dinner.
	How often?
	Have you ever asked a guy out for a first date?
	Yeah.
	Of all the first dates you've been on, how many, like what's the percentage breakdown?
	How many, let's start with this.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	Maybe like 15.
	15?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	How many of those did you, were you the one asking the guy out?
	Maybe like two.
	Two.
	Okay.
	So whoever asks.
	So your point about, well, whoever asks should pay.
	It would make sense if men and women were asking each other out at equivalent rates, but they clearly aren't.
	Men are overwhelmingly the ones that have to initiate.
	Most men, average men, are definitely not getting the experience of ever being asked out, period.
	Maybe like super attractive guys have women in their DMs, so forth.
	But I guess, so you do want men to pay for first dates, it sounds like.
	I think it's a sign of respect.
	Okay, and it's a sign of respect when a woman bows, cooks me dinner, and takes care of the household while I'm out working.
	I think it can also be labeled as an assistant.
	Okay, well, so would you, would you also label it as like, I'm looking for a mom?
	Like if I want a woman to do my laundry, to cook for me, those sorts of things, am I so I've heard some women make a criticism of you're looking for a mom, not a girlfriend, not a wife.
	Yeah, sometimes that can be true too.
	Okay.
	And sometimes a lot of those guys have mommy issues, which is why girls are like, oh, you're looking for a mom.
	Perfect.
	Question for you.
	When it comes to what you're looking for in a guy, you said you want a guy to pay for dates.
	Would you want a guy to pay for a date?
	I didn't say I wanted them to pay for dates.
	The first date is a sign of respect, but do I expect them to pay for all the dates we go on?
	No.
	Have you ever, the guy who was the S-worker, would he pay for the dates?
	Yeah, but I've also paid.
	Sometimes, but mostly he paid.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so it's still not quite equal.
	Do you want a guy who's a protector?
	Yes.
	Ah, okay, you want a father figure.
	You just want a dad.
	You want a father?
	I have a father.
	I have actually.
	But women who say men who want women to cook, to clean, to do their laundry, take care of household chores, they're not looking for a wife.
	They're not looking for a girlfriend.
	They're looking for a mom.
	Well, then I can just turn this around on women and say, well, as a woman, if you want a guy to provide and protect, you're just looking for a dad, not a boyfriend, not a husband.
	So why is it that?
	Should I feel unsafe in my own home?
	Should I feel unsafe walking down the street?
	If I have a guy, shouldn't he not protect me?
	I don't think that there's anything wrong with wanting those things and wanting a guy who can and will protect you.
	But what I'm saying is you guys want men to adhere to our traditional gender roles.
	Right.
	But you don't want to adhere to yours.
	So when it comes to the expectation on men and men's duties in a relationship, it might as well be the 1950s.
	For men, still have to provide, still have to protect.
	But when it comes to women's roles, it's all negotiable, totally negotiable.
	Well, I think a man can cook, a man can clean.
	A woman can protect herself.
	A woman can own a gun.
	Yeah.
	A woman can make money and provide for herself.
	Well, yes, I agree.
	I can make money.
	I provide for myself.
	I do protect myself.
	So why do you want to provide her and a protector if you can do it yourself?
	I don't think it's more that I want that.
	I think if I'm going to be in a relationship with somebody, I shouldn't have to go without being protected.
	Why would my partner not want to protect me?
	I love it.
	So when I'm in a relationship, I want a woman who can cook and clean and take care of the household for me.
	Why should I not feel nurtured in that way?
	I think it's more of like that's all you expect out of it.
	I expect a lot, trust me, from women.
	Yeah, I can tell.
	Wait, so is that a bad thing or a good thing?
	Explain.
	Is it bad that I have high expectations or is it?
	Am I asking too much?
	What do you think?
	I don't think you're asking too much, but I think it's just like the type of person.
	Like, I expect more like emotional things out of a relationship, not superficial.
	It's not about the money.
	It's not about the protection.
	It's more about like the connection we have.
	But you said if the guy doesn't pay for the first date, there won't be a second.
	Yeah.
	I never said there wouldn't be a second.
	I just think it shows a sign of respect.
	Well, I think it wouldn't it also be respectful for the woman to pay for the first date then?
	If paying for the first date is just about showing respect, then, well, I guess you would have to make the argument to show mutual respect.
	Both people just pay for their own food.
	That's what I usually offer.
	It's like we can.
	But hold on, but earlier you said if the guy asks me out, he should pay.
	And then the offer sounds token to me.
	I mean, if he's like, yeah, let's go half-sees.
	like okay and then it's like yeah but is it negative brownie points Kind of just shows where you're at financially.
	My answer is yes.
	I mean, you do, but it is logically possible.
	Like, it's logically possible a billionaire could go on a date with a broke woman and be like, we're going to split the bill.
	Like, that's logically possible, right?
	But then I kind of feel like he's like, that I'm not worth his time.
	Like, he's basically telling me, you're not worth my money.
	Like, you're not worth being spent on.
	But he's spending his time on you.
	And he probably spends his time with multiple other women.
	I mean, that's a huge projection and a huge assumption.
	I don't know.
	Finding a quality date, I guess, would be step one in all that.
	I mean, a first date should be something relatively simple.
	I think my first date with my now husband was like, hey, come walk my dog with me, you know?
	And we got to know each other like that.
	And I mean, eventually, like, as dates went on, yeah, no, he paid.
	Mm-hmm.
	I mean, Brian's totally right.
	It seems like even feminists put men at the default of being traditional always.
	It's always the desire and the want to take those.
	Right.
	But then it doesn't, but then women don't want to take on a traditional role, which is what he wants is pretty traditional.
	Women kind of tending to the household and catering to their men.
	That's what we've always done throughout history.
	Raising the kids.
	Raising kids.
	I have a question.
	Not that complicated.
	So I kind of fall into more traditional mentalities when I date.
	I don't believe in that 50-50 shit, to be honest.
	I think a man should be a provider and protector.
	And I do agree in line with a lot of what you're saying that a woman should provide to a household.
	But at the same time, I also consider myself a businesswoman and I, you know, I'm working so much.
	I'm a full-time student on top of that.
	Would you be satisfied if you and your partner were in a situation where you could pay for a chef, you could pay for a driver, you could pay for, you know, people who are going to help with those housework tasks so she can focus on her passions and loving you in a different way.
	Are you okay with that?
	What's her passion?
	Well, let's say that she, you know, runs her own business.
	Let's say she's, you know, an actress.
	Let's say she's a content.
	She does what you do and she has her own brand.
	Are you okay with that?
	Or you just, do you want more just support in your partner?
	Well, I suppose it depends at what stage do you meet them.
	So it's once a woman's already like deeply involved in something, most men are probably going to have to make a concession on like, I mean, it varies.
	But if she's not already in that dimension, then that's not the kind of dynamic I'd want.
	Okay.
	But you're asking from my own personal perspective.
	So my own personal perspective, I'm doing fairly well.
	I could fully cover everything.
	She doesn't have to work ever.
	So your question is, pay for like a cook to come in.
	Yeah, and I didn't even mean it in the sense that like, okay, now that you have people who are fulfilling these roles, she's just fucking watching Love Island all day and doing nothing.
	That's not what I meant.
	I meant more she.
	She got to keep her busy.
	Yeah, I meant that, let's say that she has other things that occupy her time that either, you know, fulfill her soul or are brings in money or whatever.
	Would you be okay if she spent her time doing that rather than cooking or cleaning or things that could be fulfilled?
	Because at the end of it all, yes, I understand that those things are important to you, but don't you see that anybody can fulfill that?
	And in your partner, in your wife, you obviously like her for more than just, oh, she's proficient at these tasks.
	You think she's attractive and you like her personality, ideally?
	Well, I would say that there does become a point, a level of wealth, where offsetting some of these tasks to somebody else, like it's, it would almost be a no-brainer.
	Right.
	Like if I was a billionaire, I don't think I would be like, okay, you're going to clean the house.
	Yeah.
	Like if I was a billionaire, I'm like, you don't need to clean the house.
	Although perhaps there's some circumstance where like the cleaner is busy today.
	Yeah, yeah, you would like her to if there is something that needs to be cleaned and the cleaner.
	I mean, if you're a billionaire, you probably have like in staff that lives in your house.
	So it's hard to like put yourself in that paradigm of like that level of wealth.
	Right.
	So I think that level of wealth, of course, you're probably looking to your partner not to take on the like mundane house chores, but you are looking, you're still going to look to her to defer to you, to defer to your leadership, to be submissive.
	Okay.
	But that's probably not going to necessarily entail like, okay, now you're going to like do housework that I can like pawn off to a third party.
	You can do it for a couple hundred bucks or have like have staff that's just paid salary or something.
	So, but I don't know.
	There's like it depends to what degree you have third parties involved in your life.
	Uh-huh.
	So, I don't know.
	I might have her go get me something on the other side of the house or something.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Like, I guess my question is, are you so traditional to the sense that you don't even want your wife to have a job?
	You want her full-time job to be taking care of your kids and, you know, making sure the house is in the middle of the day.
	That's a good point.
	That's, I mean, so when we do have kids, though, because I was thinking more so prior to kids, but when we do have kids, we can have assistance, but I don't want to pawn the kids off to the point where she then pursues some sort of career.
	I'd want her being the like full prime.
	She can have assistance, like if she needs somebody there to help out with stuff.
	Yeah.
	But I'd still want her being the primary role when it comes to raising the children.
	So in that sense, if I was so wealthy to the point, yeah, okay, the cleaning, yeah, we can have somebody else take care of that.
	But when it comes to the kids, then all of your attention that would perhaps if I earned less would have gone to these more mundane cleaning, cooking.
	Yeah.
	We can have a chef.
	I think that's a good thing.
	We can have a clean, like people come in and clean, but you're going to then dedicate more of your time to the kids.
	Yeah, I think that's a totally valid claim, honestly.
	And I would just like to ask, so from what I understand, you would like your wife to be the primary caretaker of your children.
	I'm just curious, how involved, obviously you would be the breadwinner in this situation that we're talking about right now.
	How involved would you like to be in raising your kids?
	I mean, definitely involved, but it depends to what degree I'm working or if I'm retired.
	Right.
	So, and I mean, I could give you my own personal, you know, stance on my own or my projection of where I think I'll be in a couple years.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Or what I think like a guy who it depends again on the level of income and wealth.
	That's going to factor in a lot in terms of your free time.
	Currently, I'm super busy with my work.
	I would still spend a good amount of time with children, but it would not be anywhere near approaching the amount of time that my girlfriend or whatever could be taking care of the kids.
	Right.
	So, but if I was retired, I'd spend a lot of time with the kids.
	Yeah, that's a value of your life.
	Like, if I retired early, if I retired at 40 or something, I would also be spending a lot of time with the kids.
	Because, you know, you got to raise some like little warriors or whatever.
	Yeah.
	I want to raise some warriors.
	Warriors.
	Warriors.
	Yeah.
	So, I don't know.
	And there are years that you don't get back to.
	Yeah, I think it's precious.
	I think family is precious.
	But there will probably be a period of time, I would say, at least when the kids are young, probably like it's hard to project, you know, how things, anything, you know, who knows what can happen.
	Business can change, whatever, whatever.
	But probably the first couple of years, probably not, I mean, she's going to be primarily handling that.
	If I retire early, which I think is kind of what I want to do, but we'll see, then I'll definitely be more involved as they, you know, five, six, seven, eight, so forth.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	What about this, though?
	She changes all the diapers.
	What do you guys think about that?
	That's bullshit.
	Why is that bullshit?
	So I'm actually expecting.
	Congratulations.
	Oh, okay.
	Preggers.
	Yeah.
	Do you know anything?
	Do you know the gender?
	I'm six weeks.
	I'll find out in two weeks.
	That's so exciting.
	I wish you so much success in that.
	I hope it's seamless.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Especially during PA school.
	But yeah.
	So I would expect my partner to do as much as I do.
	I think, especially in the first few months, your sleep is very precious to you.
	So if I'm tired, my fiancé will take over.
	If he's tired, I'll take over.
	I don't think it has anything to do with gender.
	It's just what needs to be done for the kid.
	You just need to do it.
	Yeah, you're a team in that.
	So I don't like.
	I mean, if she's not working and I'm taking care of everything and I have work I have to go do.
	That's a different situation, though.
	I think that's totally valid, but let's say they're both working.
	You know what I mean?
	They're both like just getting by.
	Then it's like, obviously, both members, I would say, have to put in a relatively equal support in taking care of your child, you know, because of circumstances.
	Are you going to be working?
	So I'm actually graduating at the end of this year.
	I take my exam in January and then I won't be working for a few months.
	You're going to be a physician assistant, right?
	Yes.
	Wait, you're graduating from PA school or what's that called?
	PA school, yep.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, you want to be a boss babe, basically?
	Yeah, I chose PA specifically because I knew I wanted to have more of a work-life balance, and that would be better than going to medical school for my situation.
	So that's kind of, I wanted to have a more of a family unit than me working all the time.
	And I think PA education or PA, the profession allows you to do that more with still being in healthcare.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Yep.
	But I mean, at least the kind of dynamic I'm looking for, it would be I'm taking care of everything and she doesn't have to work.
	But the expectation there is she's going to take be taking on more of the burden when it comes to raising the children.
	So, and also the household stuff too.
	But that's the sacrifice of family.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we've gone our whole lives being selfish, right?
	I've spent 33 years of my life focusing on myself, doing my own thing.
	And then once you kind of fulfill your purpose, which is creating a family and continuing the legacy, it's a sacrifice and it's not going to be fun.
	It's not going to be easy, but that's the purpose of life.
	Yeah.
	That's how I find it right now.
	It's kind of a weird feeling.
	Yeah.
	Because your degree doesn't even matter almost.
	Yeah.
	Your child now matters.
	But I want to get back to our conversation that we were having.
	I'm coming back for you.
	So I guess going back to it, though, you were saying, well, Brian, when we played the bow video, you're like, you seem to have some objections to that sort of thing.
	I guess I'm still trying to figure out what are the objections.
	I believe in an equal partnership.
	I think it's 100, 100, not 50, 50.
	Equal partnership.
	Okay, so what.
	Like I'm providing just as much as the guy.
	Like I don't expect them to provide.
	I work.
	I don't expect them to financially.
	I mean, I don't expect them to do everything for me.
	Like, I'm very self-sufficient and independent.
	Like, I don't need that.
	I don't need to depend on a man for that.
	If they choose to do that, that's fine.
	But I'm not depending on them.
	I still expect to be in.
	Have you ever lived with a guy?
	I've lived with six men at one time.
	No, I mean like a boyfriend.
	Have you lived with a guy that you've been seeing?
	No.
	I don't mean like you had male roommates.
	I mean like a guy you were dating.
	Although I guess you've never had a boyfriend.
	um okay if you were if you were in that sort of situation would you want the guy to take care of the rent or would you go 50 50 on the rent um it depends on i'm totally okay doing 50 50 on rent but But if they want to pay full rent, that's totally up to them and their comfortability and their financial stability.
	I don't expect it, though.
	You don't expect it.
	No.
	But if they wanted to, you wouldn't put up a fight.
	You wouldn't insist.
	Wait.
	You said you believe in equal partnership.
	Yeah.
	So why would you not then, even if the guy was open to paying for everything, why would you not then go ahead and insist on paying 50-50?
	That doesn't mean I wouldn't pay utilities or other bills that the house.
	No, let's say he was like, I'm paying for everything.
	Then that just, it's more about how you give and receive love.
	Like for me personally, I give and receive love through gifts and quality time.
	Like that is my thing for how I give and receive love.
	Everybody has different things for that.
	There's like five different things.
	But I thought you believe in equal partnership.
	I do.
	I give and I receive love the same way.
	Okay, but.
	So I can spoil my partner just as well as he can spoil me.
	And I think that's a form of love.
	You're going to, how much is rent in LA?
	$2,000, $3,000, $4,000?
	How much do you pay for rent for your place?
	$1,100.
	Okay.
	You pay like, you have a room in the house or how's it work?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So if you guys get your own place, it's probably going to be $2,000, $3,000.
	If you want a nice place, $4,000.
	You're going to be spending, buying him $4,000 worth of gifts?
	Like, if he's paying all the rent, you're going to spend $4,000 a month on gifts for him to equalize the equal partnership?
	I think there's more that you can give to a person than just financial value.
	Like, okay, but you're talking about equal partnership.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So if you're having an equal partnership, shouldn't it be like mostly equal?
	Yeah, but if they're insisting, why should I have to fight that?
	Shouldn't you insist that it be equal?
	It's more like their personal preference.
	It depends on the partner I'm with.
	Not every partner is going to want to pay all of rent or can pay all of rent all the time.
	Like if they lose their job and they're not able to cover rent, I'm willing to step up.
	It's more about like.
	But I mean, why hasn't this been the case when you've gone on dates?
	Like you've said overwhelmingly the men pay for the dates.
	Because they want to.
	Right, but shouldn't if you believe in equal partnership, shouldn't like what do you do?
	Like from a bird's eye view, what do you do to equally contribute to the start of a relationship?
	It's more the emotional aspect.
	What do you mean?
	Like a lot of guys just aren't like there emotionally.
	So I'm willing to be there for people emotionally.
	How soon?
	Into like immediately?
	On the first date?
	I'm very open.
	You're very open?
	Open.
	So okay, for example, here would be like some of the burdens or some of the things you might not want to frame it as a burden that guys do early on to develop or build or initiate a relationship.
	They're going to be the ones approaching you.
	They're going to make the first move.
	They're going to be the ones taking on the burden of initiative, taking on the burden of rejection or potential rejection.
	They're going to set up the date.
	They're going to plan the date.
	They're going to pay for the date.
	They're going to move things forward.
	They're probably going to go for the first kiss.
	They're going to move things forward physically from there.
	All of that initiative burden falls on the man.
	Additionally, there's the financial component that the guy has to pay for dates.
	So traditionally, that's what men do early on.
	What do women do early on to when it comes to the development of a budding relationship?
	I think it's more of just like contributing values.
	Contributing values?
	Like, I'm not going to go on a date with somebody that I don't share values with.
	I'm not going to give them the time of day.
	I'm not going to waste somebody's time.
	I don't just go on dates for a free dinner.
	Like, a lot of girls just do that.
	Like, I'm not that type of person.
	So I think you're asking the wrong person that question.
	You've never done that?
	No.
	Okay.
	I date with intention.
	Hold.
	You date with intention.
	Like, I don't know if you're going to be able to do that.
	You've said you have a roster.
	You've not had a boyfriend.
	You.
	Like, if I'm going on an intentional date.
	You're currently.
	Question, question.
	Wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	I wouldn't go on the date in the first month.
	You're currently in a complicated situation with a male porn star.
	And have you been going on dates during the course of this like complicated relate situationship with the male sex worker?
	Occasionally.
	How could you possibly be dating with intention?
	Like if I'm going on a date with a girl and she's like got feelings and hangs out with a dude and like hold on because when you guys are sexually active together, you're not having sex, but you're like doing oral sex or whatever.
	How is it dating with intention if I'm going on a date with a girl and she's involved with a guy who took her virginity and Sing his D from time to time and he's a sex worker?
	How is that dating with intention?
	You're not properly single.
	But I'm not taken.
	I'm not exclusive.
	There's no loyalty.
	So the dating intention is that I'm not going on a date with somebody I'm not interested in.
	Not going on it, like I'm going on a date to see like, is there compatibility there?
	Could this be a partner?
	Like if they commit, like, okay, I'm going to be loyal to you.
	Sure.
	How would you feel if you were on a date with a guy who is in the exact same situation as you, but with like the person he's seeing is a woman?
	Most guys are in our generation.
	Yeah, is that good or bad?
	I mean, it just is what it is.
	I'm used to that.
	But is that good or bad?
	Like, do you think it's good?
	For example, do you think I don't think it's good, but I think it's normalized in our generation.
	Like, everybody in our generation has a roster.
	It doesn't mean it's good.
	Not everybody, but I mean, you wouldn't have any issue.
	Like, you would, I guess this is why you're just constantly kind of trapped in situationships.
	You're kind of tied down dating this guy who's a sex worker, who you give BJs to how frequently once a week or something?
	I don't know.
	You give him BJs from time to time.
	And then, like, then, have you ever done this?
	Have you ever gone on a date with a guy the same day you gave him a BJ?
	No.
	That sounds like a yes, but you don't want to admit to it.
	Oh man, that's brutal.
	Imagine going on a date with a girl.
	She gives you a kiss goodnight, but she like sucked a dude's dick early in the day.
	That's a beauty.
	Or what if a guy pays for a date?
	Have you ever done this?
	Have you ever gone on a date with a dude and then he buys your dinner or whatever?
	And then you go over to male sex worker's house and do what you do with him.
	I've been on a date with a guy and the other guy called me and asked me to come over and I didn't.
	But I give a 24-hour game.
	You give a 24-hour grace period.
	No, I just didn't go.
	Didn't go the next day.
	It was just a 48-hour grace period.
	I see.
	I don't know, man.
	I don't know.
	Shit.
	Are you really dating?
	You said you were dating intentionally, though.
	That's.
	Yeah, that's a very specific thing.
	Like, I think in order to date intentionally, you have to be properly single.
	If you have a side piece or whatever, some dude you're seeing, and you're seeing him, and then you're going on dates, how is that intentional?
	If I get asked on 15 dates a day and I don't go, it's because I'm not interested.
	But if I go on a date, I clearly have interest and there's intention behind me going on that date in the first place, meeting up with you, taking time out of my day to even go on that date.
	Do you have feelings for this dude?
	Yeah.
	What are the feelings?
	Like, if he asked me to be his girlfriend, I would say yes.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait.
	Wait, the porn star?
	So are you like holding out that that's the future potential possibility?
	Wait a sec.
	God, I hope not.
	No, but like I think if that was a possibility, I would say yes.
	Well, how about this?
	Here's the scenario.
	Let's say you're so you're still seeing him currently.
	Say you just start like going on a date with this new guy and it's still really early on.
	So there hasn't been a conversation about what's this going to be.
	Maybe you've gone on two, three dates with a new guy, but you're still seeing this guy.
	This guy says the S worker guy who you took your virginity, whatever, you've been seeing him for a year.
	He says, I want you to be my girlfriend.
	You stop with the two to three date guy, right?
	I'm assuming.
	Yeah.
	Okay, how can you be dating intentionally if a guy's been on two or three dates with you, but there's like this dude in the background who you're secretly pining for?
	Nobody said it was a secret.
	Well, okay, well, it's more about communication.
	If you're communicating that with the person you're so-called dating.
	Hold on, you tell the guys you go on first dates with, by the way, I'm dating intentionally, so I just want to let you know I'm currently providing oral sex to a male sex worker who took my virginity, who I'm secretly kind of in love with, but not really.
	But I would be his girlfriend at any point if he asked me.
	You tell guys that.
	If a guy on a dating app is asking me out and I go on a date with him and he's like, hey, by the way, I'm going out with five other girls like this week.
	It's like, okay, you're exploring your options.
	I'm exploring mine.
	What's the difference?
	Like, I'm going to be open that, hey, we're not exclusive.
	I don't owe you anything.
	Not dating with intention, though.
	Yeah, that's not really intentional dating, I would say.
	So wait, the porn star that you said was a whore.
	Yeah.
	Is this the one that you would want to be your boyfriend?
	Because you said he was a whore earlier and that was one of your issues with him.
	Yeah, because he.
	But you want him to make, you would want to be exclusive with him.
	You want to be the whore.
	Thank you for that.
	20 memberships.
	Thank you.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Continue.
	You would want to be with the whore?
	Yes.
	I wouldn't want him to be a whore when he's with me.
	But you don't get to complain about him then.
	But he's already proven he is a whore.
	He's a hoe for sure.
	You could be doing so much better.
	Do you think that if you got off of social media and found another form of income that maybe would be providing you the same equivalence to what you're getting now?
	And removed yourself off of dating apps and social media and all that.
	Do you think that one, you would be getting as many people interested?
	And two, would you maybe be finding like better people?
	Possibly?
	Perhaps?
	I mean, I went to college twice.
	That's not what I asked.
	I've already experienced that life before social media.
	I've gone on those dates with those normal guys.
	And it still didn't work then.
	Why am I gonna, like, there's more options now?
	Yeah, but it doesn't seem like they're quality options.
	It just seems like quantity over quality.
	Like, if you found a guy that is not a sex working whore or a, you know, a non-committal type or like unemotionally emotionally unavailable, like say you found like your perfect dude, like, would you get rid of all this extra shit?
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	If I found somebody that had like the same values I have and like we had that mutual bond and like we really like liked each other and he was willing to commit to me, yeah, I'd be more than willing to drop everything.
	But you've also stated that's right.
	I am like still exploring options.
	I'm not just loyal to that guy who is a whore.
	Seems like you are.
	But I wouldn't be going on dates with guys if I wasn't interested in seeing other people.
	That's definitely not necessarily true.
	I mean, it might not be true for other people, but that's my thing.
	I'm not just going out with any guy that asks me out.
	Yeah, I mean, that would probably be crazy and stupid.
	But a lot of people do just for the free dinner.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, that's not right either.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that.
	I mean, if you've already said that you're not interested or willing to settle down with anyone because you haven't leveled up to the point to where you feel like you need to be in order to do that, what if the perfect guy were to come along?
	Would you drop that to be with him?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that's true.
	Yeah, I do think that's true.
	I hope that for you, I guess.
	You know, I think you could probably find it.
	Maybe not in LA, but I think you probably find it.
	But that would be dating with intention.
	That would be like dating with the intent to be with someone and maybe not wade through a briar patch of man whores and fucking social media guys.
	Doesn't seem like you're going to get what you want by doing the same thing that you're doing now and have been.
	I respect your point of view.
	I respect that.
	Okay, well, I don't know if I got a definitive answer on this, but okay, the bow video, you were very upset.
	Very upset by the bow video.
	Just bow.
	I guess.
	What was the objections again to the bow?
	just don't think that's a form of respect from the girl like i mean it's actually quite Like, I just.
	What if he bows back?
	What if he bows to you?
	I wouldn't like that.
	I wouldn't bow.
	He wouldn't do that.
	So it's just the ick.
	It's just icky, you know?
	I wouldn't do that to my man.
	It's just like.
	But you.
	It's like showing that in other ways.
	Oh, like, it's essentially.
	She just clocked her T. Wait, what?
	Actually messing the D.
	She does.
	It's a turkey.
	It's a form of a bow.
	You get it.
	Oh, right.
	Well, this is a point I actually make because, like, you know, I get the initial knee-jerk reaction to the bow is like, whoa.
	First off, it's like people culturally don't really do that.
	We don't do that in the West.
	So there's that component, but it's also just like, even if it was like moving, I guess removing the uncommon cultural component of it, there's another objection to, I'm not willing to do this sort of act of subservient, like submission to a guy.
	Like, that's icky to me to like do like it's an ask from the guy's perspective.
	I'm not going to do that which what he want hold on that fucking words out.
	I'm not going to do that thing that he wants me to do.
	But then I start thinking about it.
	It's by the way, the bow, it didn't just coalesce out of the ether.
	People have been, even in white cultures, have been doing bows, although it's like not common anymore.
	So it's not like I'm culturally appropriating like Asian cultures or whatever.
	I like the perfect.
	Would you bow for the perfect man?
	No.
	Just curious, going around the table, who here?
	That's crazy.
	I'll come back to the perfect man thing.
	Who here would bow for a guy?
	Well, you know.
	Would you bow for a guy?
	Yeah, maybe.
	Yes.
	It's not even my culture like that.
	But if you're married, if I'm Japanese, that's a given.
	No, you're white.
	Well, wouldn't it be?
	But I'm white.
	I'm white.
	Are you Italian Spaniards?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So definitely not like a bow.
	No, we don't even do that in the Orthodox.
	If your husband watched the whatever podcast and he's like, you know, that Brian guy's on to something.
	You're setting a weird tempo.
	He's on to something.
	You know, hey, look, we eat something.
	Have you ever eaten?
	But I understand.
	Have you used chopsticks?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So there you go.
	Yeah, once in a while.
	I'm not, I mean, I'm not using it.
	Makes sense, right?
	They bow in the Catholic Church.
	Oh, yeah, we do.
	A little bit.
	Do you watch any anime?
	Attack on Titan or something?
	No, no, I don't get into anime.
	Okay, whatever.
	I used to draw anime, but I don't know.
	But yes, you would bow, but okay, would you bow?
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	Don't think so.
	Would you bow for a guy?
	I don't think it's part of my culture or lifestyle, but if it really was so important to have a conversation.
	Could have a conversation about it.
	We could have a conversation.
	What's the conversation?
	Okay, let's.
	We're going to role play like we're dating.
	Well, for you, I feel like it almost feels.
	Excuse me, miss.
	Okay.
	I wish for you to bow.
	Let's have the combo.
	I feel like it feels like a power thing for you.
	You've made it clear that you want your woman submissive, and it's not a cultural thing.
	If it was cultural, I would totally respect it.
	Yeah.
	But it's not.
	And for those reasons, I probably wouldn't bow to you.
	I see.
	Okay.
	I'm going to bite the bullet and agree that it's 100% a power thing.
	What would actually be wrong in engaging with it?
	Well, I think it's just a matter of preference.
	I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it.
	It's just not my cup of tea, so I won't be drinking it.
	Well, it was nice knowing you.
	Goodbye.
	We're over.
	Okay.
	Ellie, would you?
	I think you know my answer to this.
	Okay, she's going to throw it up in your bow about.
	Okay.
	I've actually reflected on this, and I wish I hadn't done the demo bow in the first time I was here.
	Retracting.
	I'm retroactively taking back my bow because my perfect husband isn't here right now and I would only do it for him.
	You got to go like this to take it back.
	Maybe progress the bow.
	What if your perfect husband is watching the stream and you would be bowing to him?
	Well, by technicality, but he's not here.
	And so he wouldn't know it's directed towards him.
	Okay.
	But you would bow to him.
	Of course.
	Would you bow for a guy?
	If it was in his culture, Whitest dude you've ever seen.
	Then no.
	Or blackest dude you've ever seen.
	I don't know.
	Then no.
	There's not bowing in either.
	No, I guess not because it's like what Mars is saying.
	And like, I feel like it just, it's just not my cup of tea.
	I'm going to go with maybe.
	What your fiancé?
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	He woke up in the morning.
	He was like, babe.
	Hey, I've just watched the whatever podcast.
	I've been thinking.
	I'm carrying his baby, baby.
	So I feel like I'm not going to just break up with him over that.
	I'd be like, eh, like, we could talk about it, I guess.
	It's kind of weird.
	But then I'd have him do something equally as weird just to even it out for me.
	Like what?
	What would be equally as weird?
	You have to kiss my feet.
	No, I was thinking about that.
	That's not equally as weird.
	That's way more weird.
	That's way worse.
	Well, it's something in return of what I'm giving you because that's a weird request, especially if it's a blue like that.
	If you started the relationship like that, then that's up to you if you want to leave.
	But if it starts like in the middle of it, like I don't know what I would do.
	But were like our grandparents doing that?
	That, you know, married for decades, you know?
	I'm sure there's ways that they've shown women of the time have showed subordination without bowing like that in the West.
	I've never seen that.
	Yeah.
	He just doesn't have to be cooking his meals and all sorts of things.
	Taking care of him.
	All those other things.
	Didn't women in like the 1920s used to have like a martini ready at home for their husbands?
	Maybe that sounds about rapidly.
	Now is there tripping to their husband drinking a martini?
	That is such a feminine drink.
	Beer for men only.
	No, or like two fingers of whiskey need or whatever.
	I was just going to be a martini.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just like those little glasses, little.
	Make me a cosmopolitan cosmopolitan.
	Would you bow?
	Would you bow?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	John, if you're watching this.
	Boom.
	Oh, let's.
	She said, let's spice things up.
	Let's spice things up.
	Yeah, is it like a dominance thing?
	It's not a BDSM thing.
	I understand that respect thing.
	But it's understand it.
	It's a respect thing.
	And I think, like, okay, so it goes back to, I remember the third principle, care for each others, by the way.
	Care for the environment, care for the self, care for others.
	Even in like Montessori principles, like we were taught to like, you know, have like the utmost respect for your environment.
	So like, I mean, as young as like preschool in like some Asian countries, in most Asian countries, they actually have like the kids cleaning the classroom and like taking off their shoes before you come in and like, you know, preparing snack and sharing it with friends.
	Like it is, it, it's a, it's a thing of hospitality, of spirituality.
	It is a way of showing kind of sort of like this God's love of some sort, you know?
	And especially to your man, because I mean, like, if he's taking care of you, if he's protecting you, if he's making sure that he's walking on the side of, you know, the sidewalk with the street, you know, he's going to be the first one that's going to take on a home intruder or like an alligator or whatever.
	Like, so the least you can do is be, I guess, submissive to your guy.
	Yeah, I like that, actually.
	But your man, not just some fucking boy.
	Well, it's like that, that would be the dynamic is she's submissive.
	It's a temperature check.
	It's something that takes no effort.
	It takes no skill.
	Anybody can do it.
	I suppose you have to be like able-bodied to some degree.
	Like if you're really, really disabled, you can't do it.
	Like you have to be a paraplegic, quadriplegic, actually, to not be able to do a, well, I guess you could still bow in a wheelchair, I guess.
	But if you're quad, you're just In which case, you have way bigger problems than the fucking bow conversation.
	But genuxion to show respect.
	I think there's levels to submission, though.
	Like that.
	And even in actual, you know, cultures that partake in bowing, like in Japan, for example, that was something I experienced when I was in Tokyo.
	Like, the further you bow, it's like the deeper respect that you give to the person.
	So it's like, do you want your bitch on her hands and knees?
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, where's your voice?
	She could be a like a.
	I think, you know, I haven't actually have I done this?
	I don't know.
	Maybe some ex or some, who knows?
	She's a table for me, and I eat my food off of her.
	Oh, okay.
	You're into that.
	Just kidding.
	That's nah.
	Regular tables are better.
	Women are not that great of tables.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	My husband would do that.
	Is that more sexist?
	Is it more sexist to say women don't make good tables?
	They're not sturdy enough.
	I think women have curves.
	So I think that it makes sense that they wouldn't have the best foundation for a table.
	We're kind of squishy.
	Yeah.
	Maybe all lame.
	Yeah, no.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, I guess a couple things on the bow thing.
	Again, it's totally effortless.
	It takes no effort.
	It's an easy thing you can do to show that you respect your man.
	You're going to be submissive.
	You might, in your head, you're like, this is not something I normally do, but I like this guy so much that I'm going to do this kind of like eccentric, kind of goofy thing, at least in your perspective initially.
	I'm going to do this because he asked for it.
	And I like him.
	And I want to do things for him and I want to please him.
	That's what it's checking for.
	But I want to kind of do a bit of a reversal here and examine some of the asks that women have of men.
	Who here wants a guy to open the car door?
	Show of hands.
	Show of hands.
	I teach my boys that.
	You want the guy to open the car door?
	Should a man open?
	Should a man open the car door for a woman?
	Yes, I believe so.
	Should a man open like a door to a restaurant?
	Sure.
	You know, open the door, whatever, for a woman.
	Yes.
	Should a man observe the sidewalk rules?
	So walking closer to the street in the case of, I don't know, there's a car blast some water if it's raining or there's water in the gutter.
	Yes.
	Or even there's an oncoming danger.
	And he like, he's closer to the street so he can protect her from the danger of the streets.
	I agree.
	These mean streets.
	So hold on.
	And then, of course, we've had the conversation.
	A lot of you think men should pay for first dates.
	I don't know.
	Women put a lot of shoulds on men.
	But when men start saying women should do X, oh, y'all get very.
	I think my take on it is more cultural.
	Like, I'm not opposed to the bow as what it is and the respect factor of it.
	But the cultural, I've never grown up doing that or I've ever done that in my life.
	That's just the cultural thing.
	For sure, the bowing.
	But I understand the sentiment of it.
	And I hear where you're coming from, but I feel I've tried to remain consistent and not have double standards.
	And yeah, I have these expectations of men.
	I understand that women also fall into gender roles and I'm not ignoring that.
	I'm not like, oh, men should do this, this, and that, but I don't have to do anything except for whatever I want as a woman.
	Like, no, I see where you're coming from.
	I feel like you're generalizing a little bit, but that probably is the most popular sentiment of what, you know, women who you've conversated with.
	Well, I mean, I've conversated with a whole bunch of different women, but I guess, hmm.
	There's so many different directions I can take this convo here.
	We could go to the perfect.
	Well, first, I want to say to all of you, like all those things, the man should open the car door, the man should open the door, observe the sidewalk rule.
	So, you're placing an expectation on a man.
	The level of physical effort it takes to open the car door or open a door is more than a bow.
	Yeah, there's no effort to a bow.
	I understand that.
	There's no effort to the bow.
	So, it's whereas these other tasks, like for example, if I pull up in my car and I'm picking you up on a date, I realize not all women want this or care about this, but you want me to get out of my car, walk all the way around.
	Like, women have the physical strength and capacity to open a car door.
	I don't expect even all the time them opening my car.
	It's not even real.
	Let's say, as someone who does enjoy men who open their car doors, I hear where you're coming from that it's tedious, but it's really not such a high effort thing at the end of it all to get out of your car and open the door.
	So, I agree that it's, it is low effort, but it's more, what I'm saying is it's more effort than a bow.
	Okay.
	So, what I'm saying is it's very like super easy for a woman to do this thing, but there's a bunch of whereas you're asking men to.
	Could we do something?
	Could we use another example like super bowing though?
	Because I feel like that's kind of hard to do.
	Okay, how about this?
	Would you agree that perhaps in a traditional relationship dynamic, there'd be an expectation for the woman to do laundry?
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	On the first time, the first time a girl comes to my house, she can do my laundry.
	The first time.
	First time.
	You don't feel that's a little bit.
	It can even be too fast for the laundry.
	I feel like laundry, like, you know, washing your underwear.
	That's kind of interesting.
	Wait, question.
	Have you ever hooked up with somebody on the first date?
	Like, first time?
	I'm not judging you.
	Honestly, I'm not on the first date, but I have hooked up.
	It legally can't be.
	Can I finish?
	Can I finish?
	I've hooked up with someone at a club before, but it was not a date.
	And then I'd brought them home.
	So it was, you know, we knew the intention.
	The question there is, have you ever hooked up with somebody the first time you met them?
	Yes.
	I mean.
	You want her to do your laundry, though?
	Aren't you preoccupied with other things?
	Foreplay.
	Do you think it's foreplay?
	That's your foreplay?
	Oh, I get so turned on.
	She goes and does my laundry.
	I mean, okay.
	I have not opposed to that.
	I think it's a little intimate, but the laundry's intimate?
	But not fucking?
	Hey, I don't know.
	That's what's crazy.
	Okay, this is what's crazy about the no to the bow.
	Like women will say, no, I don't want to cook for a guy.
	No, I'm not going to make a sandwich.
	No, I'm not going to do laundry.
	No, I'm not going to hit the bow.
	But within hours, sometimes minutes.
	Not saying you, just some of y'all women will be gobbling a dick within minutes or hours.
	You'll be stuck in a dick, Sing the D. You'll be, you'll let a guy come inside of you, but I'm the bad guy.
	I'm the bad guy for wanting my laundry done.
	I'm the sexist, but you will let a man insert his penis into you, dear, madame?
	You will let a man, which, hey, if you want to do it with me, that's okay.
	But you will allow a man to blast inside of you.
	Some girls want to be blasted on their face.
	Hold on, let me play noise for that shit.
	You want a guy to blast all over you.
	Blast.
	Word.
	Why are we using black?
	Yeah.
	Word.
	I'm the bad guy because I want her to cook and do a little bow.
	I would be more than happy.
	I feel like we're losing the plot.
	No, this is the plot.
	The plot is on.
	Do you think that opening a car door and a girl doing your laundry is on the same plane?
	Do you think that, like, do you think that's both low maintenance?
	What if it's not underwear?
	What if it's just like?
	Well, no, no, no, no.
	I feel like there's higher effort than opening a door, though.
	Yeah, I would say, I would say, I'm not saying that you don't, like, I'm just saying that I feel like Laundry and opening the car door, comparing those two things.
	I would say laundry is higher maintenance.
	I don't think that compares to opening a chip.
	How about this?
	I'll propose a really simple one.
	If women have an expectation that men pay on first dates, you have to actually break down the math.
	So the math would look something like this.
	A lot of you are on the younger side.
	So I don't think it would be unreasonable that some of you younger women, you know, 22, 20, 18, 21, you might go on a date with a guy who maybe makes $20 an hour, maybe even less.
	If you want a guy to pay for the first date, let's say it's reasonable that on the first date, the guy, the total check cost is $100.
	That's not like a super fancy place.
	That's mid-tier place, drinks, appetizer, main course, dessert.
	Tip.
	A guy's paying $100 on the first date.
	Half of that, he's paying for you.
	We're not going to count his half that he's paying for himself.
	If a guy is going to spend $50 for you, $100 total, but $50 for you, and he makes $20 an hour, you're asking him to work two and a half hours to take you on the date.
	And let's say he works a physically demanding job.
	Let's say he's a laborer.
	Let's say he's digging ditches.
	Let's say he's lift.
	He's moving.
	He's a mover and he moves heavy objects, whatever it is.
	Makes $20 an hour.
	You guys are asking a guy to take you on a date?
	Two and a half hours of work.
	So think about that.
	Are you saying that's like a ludicrous claim, though?
	Or like, what do you mean?
	Do you think that that's not an equal exchange?
	Because if it's this guy clearly is attracted to you, wants to get to know you better.
	You don't think that's a fair trade-off, the two and a half hours of labor for the two hours of your time, for example?
	Well, that's another power dynamic that happens to exist that benefits women.
	I typically think when it comes to relationships of any kind, whether it's friendships, dating, or business, the person who's doing the reaching out versus the person who's like receiving the offer has way more leverage and they have the power and they can set the terms.
	Right.
	So, but essentially, you're saying, well, it's the guy who they're coming to you.
	They're asking you out.
	There's like the expectation that he's going to pay or whatever.
	Sorry.
	It's not even, that's what I'm saying.
	You're just saying you're making it very clear for us to remember that in this scenario, the guy works a grueling job and he's giving up two and a half hours of that grueling job to go on this date.
	But to me, if I say yes to a guy going on a date, I am obviously physically attracted to him.
	And, you know, I try to be very present and engaging when I go out with people.
	I like to get to know them.
	I don't know, you know, maybe some girls, I actually know for a fact, yeah, some girls do use guys just to get the free meal or whatever, but that's not what I would, I guess, offer to the date.
	I would have an engaging conversation and you know what I mean?
	It's it's not like he's getting, I think it's a worth it trade.
	It's just like my ultimate claim: his two and a half hours of labor for that date.
	I feel like that's a fair exchange, no?
	But the uh is it a fair exchange both of you are putting in the time, whatever amount of time you spend on the date, like there on the actual date, he also spends said time on the date.
	So then you're getting into a bit of a transactional territory there.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh, what about the time it took to get prepared for the date?
	That's true, man.
	It takes you two and a half hours to some days, some days it does.
	Well, look, from my perspective, I know some guys are maybe have a different perspective.
	I'm not a big fan of makeup.
	So it doesn't always have to necessarily be makeup.
	Okay, fine.
	You got to shave your legs.
	You're gonna do your thing, you're gonna do your hair.
	Doesn't that really take two and a half hours?
	Sometimes, if I take a girl, if I go on the first date with a girl and I give her a no-makeup pass, I say you don't have to wear makeup on this date, you can do the other shit that you do to get ready.
	Is that how sometimes finding the outfit, doing the hair, taking the shower?
	Outfit pass too.
	Uh, wear some sweatpants and uh then where are we going?
	so so to consider like the point of dating like the idea of dating is what you want to have some time to get to know this person Why, just for the hell of it?
	No, I would assume if you're going out, I don't really like go through my DMs and say yes to every guy who asked me on a date.
	It's more we had a physical interaction and I enjoyed our conversation.
	I thought you were cute, and I would like to get to know you better.
	Maybe we have similar hobbies, similar passions.
	But then what?
	What do you mean by that?
	Say, like, you have similar hobbies, similar passions.
	You guys are like cut out from one another, and then what?
	Like, what happens after that?
	Well, I also date, I do date intentionally.
	I have my fun, I've made that clear.
	You know, I was in Italy, whatever.
	I have my fun, but when I choose to be in a relationship with someone, it's because I see a future with them.
	And, you know, I could see us, yeah, I'm thinking way down the line, but yeah, I could maybe see us getting married, maybe having kids if you know things keep going according to plan and we continue vibing with each other and we're compatible.
	So, I don't know.
	Yeah, we would just keep going out.
	I don't have a particular timeline.
	I think that it's different in every relationship that you're in.
	Do you think that the guy who really wants to be with you gives a shit about your outfit?
	Or, like, well, I'll be honest, like, and you know, lots of people have different opinions on this, but I'm a very look good, feel good, do good type of person.
	So, when I'm done up, like I'm wearing a cute outfit, I have my makeup on, I feel good about myself, and I feel like it sets me off on the right tone to take on my day.
	So, it's not, it's honestly not even really about them.
	I do do it for me, but at the same time, I'm not going to say, oh, I don't care what they think.
	Obviously, like, I want them to think I look good and whatever, but it's, it's deeper.
	So, just to bring it back to the bow, though, because that's where this conversation stemmed from, is the reason I was bringing up, okay, men, if you want a guy to pay for the first date, the entailment of that is he's going to have to work X amount of hours in order to be able to afford the date.
	Uh-huh.
	That kind of seems like a bigger, well, it's not that it just seems, it is a bigger ask than a woman bowing.
	Okay.
	So, you guys place this much bigger ask, but then you scoff at this idea of doing a completely effortless bow.
	Like, imagine, imagine, here, let me try to do a role reversal here.
	Imagine if it was the case.
	And look, I realize some people go 50-50, but I think generally speaking, even women who are like more, like she claims to be 50-50 or whatever, but like you can still, as a woman, go into a date, and there will still be guys who will pay for your meal.
	And, like, even if despite your own wants of 50-50, I have a question.
	Just one sec, but I'll get to it.
	So, my question is: if there was a reversal and I, as the guy, said, in order for you to go on a date with me, you need to do, you need to pay for the date.
	You need to work, you know, however much time it takes you to earn 50 bucks.
	You need to work that much before you go on a date with me.
	Yeah, well, I think you're kind of just calling attention to the gender roles that this society has kind of enforced our whole life, which is men being the provider and protector.
	So what do men get?
	So that leads to kind of the bigger picture here is they get to go on a date with an attractive girl.
	What duties do women have to men?
	What do men get out of them being traditional?
	Like, what do we get out of that?
	Well, I feel that your question is more focused on long-term relationships because you are focused more on the traditional things such as caretaking and housekeeping that maybe aren't going to happen on your first date unless you invite the girl over to go do your laundry and clean your underwear or bowing, for example.
	I think you're trying to equate these two things that are different because let's say you're kind of hyper-focusing on how men have to put this monetary and financial value down to go on a date with a woman.
	And all a woman has to do is bow.
	But obviously one of these things is related to money.
	One of these things is almost related to respect and some sort of power play because I think some women might not want to bow to you because yes, again, it's just reinforcing this submissive version of themselves.
	Like they're being submissive to you when they bow to you.
	And that may not be every woman's cup of tea.
	I don't know.
	I feel like they're not necessarily equal.
	I'm sorry if that wasn't super clear.
	I'm still figuring my own thoughts out.
	Not equal.
	Like the bow is not worse, but it's.
	I feel like you're trying to equate money with the bowing.
	And the bowing, I think, is more nuanced than something as simple as, okay, two hours of labor.
	Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't think that that's simple necessarily.
	Uh-huh.
	What it is, in the grand scheme of things, it's simple, but it's far less simple than a woman simply doing a bow.
	Right.
	Right.
	It's super easy.
	It doesn't cost you anything.
	Anybody can do it.
	Okay.
	I see where you're coming from.
	I think that in society, men paying for dates is more common than women bowing to men.
	Yes, I agree.
	So I think for that reason.
	Right.
	So I think you're stuck on a cultural oddness of it.
	If there was some other thing, though, that is more of a cultural norm, but does manifest itself through female submissiveness, what would that be?
	I'm trying to think of an example.
	Do you ladies have any questions?
	How about this?
	How about this?
	This may not occur on the first date, but making you food, maybe?
	Yeah, so it's maybe the first time she's coming over to the house ever, whether that's the second date, third date, further down, whatever it is.
	And I ask her.
	Well, I'd hope she just took it upon herself to do this.
	I mean, it could be the laundry.
	Women should just walk into the laundry room.
	I'm telling you, ladies, I know you're going to fucking hate this.
	I know the feminist mind virus has plagued you.
	The first time you go to a dude's house, don't rush to his bedroom.
	Rush to his laundry room.
	You don't think some men would find that odd?
	They would find it odd.
	They would find it odd.
	They would find it odd in the sense that they've never had that experience.
	And it would be kind of perhaps could be deemed quirky.
	But how could it, I don't think most men are going to view it as a negative if you were like, oh, hey, oh, nice place.
	Give me the, oh, where's your laundry room?
	Do you have any laundry action?
	Yeah, can I do a load for you really quick?
	Yeah, perfect.
	Is that agreed?
	Of taking a load, that's a good thing to do a load of laundry.
	Instead of taking a load, do a load of laundry.
	Look, a lot of girls are willing to take a load.
	True.
	Not as many women are willing to do a load of laundry.
	Actually, quick, right?
	Look, I think, look, you gotta, especially if you're dealing with a guy who has a lot of options, you gotta set yourself apart because give pussy, a guy who's attractive like that, that's not gonna make you stand out.
	Like, you gotta bring more to the table than just sex.
	Yeah, and so however.
	The big labia won't do it for you.
	What if she's like the goddess labia you've ever seen, but she's not gonna do your laundry?
	Guinness world, it has to be record-breaking.
	Like the fucking TMZ won't leave her alone.
	Sure, okay.
	If she has a Guinness World record labia, the bow won't be a deal breaker in that circumstance.
	Anyways, back to my point.
	Back to my point.
	I think if I'm telling you, I'm giving you game.
	You don't want to hear it because it's.
	I'm listening.
	No, not you.
	Okay.
	You seem pretty open-minded.
	I don't know if you're going to agree at the end of the day, and that's fine.
	But you've been a good sport with everything.
	But I'm telling you, these small little things that take a little effort, I know you're going to feel kind of cringe doing it, but it will put it will make the guy like you more.
	And some people are going to say, oh, you don't want to be a pickney.
	I'm telling you, you do these small little gestures that don't really take much work, don't take much effort.
	And the guy is going to be like, if your goal is to get the guy, if you just want to fuck the guy, then whatever.
	Who cares?
	Is that what you really want, though?
	Yes.
	If you want the guy, if you want the guy doing these small little things will set you apart.
	And it's it, look, there's certain things I think to myself, like for the perfect woman or like a really amazing woman, there are certain things I'm willing to compromise on.
	Okay.
	Uh, shit.
	I mean, I'm not going to go into that, but uh, there's certain things, anyways.
	Uh, good talk.
	Some final sneaky.
	You can't leave a thing like that.
	I can't leave one level.
	I'm not going to go into it, but uh, okay, well, here, I'll give the example.
	This is even crazier from the guy's perspective.
	I would, for the perfect woman, I would do a bow, and that's a big L from a dude to do a bow to a woman.
	Yeah, I did not expect that.
	But, like, for the perfect woman, I'll even, fuck it, why not?
	But in my head, I'm like, okay, the perfect woman is like a trillionaire and like trillionaire, trillionaire.
	Like, physically, everything about her is my tide.
	Personality, everything about her is my type.
	Yeah, I'm never going to ever encounter this in real life.
	So, yeah, okay, I'll sure.
	I'll do a fucking bow once a day.
	Why not?
	What about your future wife?
	Do you want your potential prospect to be looking up your house on Zillow before meeting you?
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, like finding the layout of your home so she can get to the laundry.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah, so funny.
	You mentioned that last time.
	Sure.
	Okay, yes.
	Yeah.
	Check.
	Write that down, you guys.
	Yeah, right.
	With that.
	If anyone's plotting, but you know, I think here, maybe to do the laundry, clean, cook.
	No, you don't like any of this.
	You don't like these ideas?
	I feel like if I'm going on a first date, oh, I feel like if I'm going on a first date or anything, like, what is the guy expecting of me after that date?
	Because I have a friend that goes on a lot of dates, and every time he pays, he gets upset if the girl doesn't give out.
	Oh, well, I mean, I don't think that's a good thing.
	So, I think in our generation, a lot of guys only want to go on a date if the girl is going to put out at the end of that date.
	So, then there are a lot of girls that won't go on the dates in general because they don't want to put out.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's what I'm saying.
	They just want to get to know with the person.
	Yeah, I think that's like a shitty dynamic for a guy to be like, if I do this, then you should like the guy.
	What is that?
	I think it's what is your intention going on that date and spending money on that date?
	I just want to clarify one thing on that, though.
	I don't think it's like I'm kind of, well, how do I frame this?
	I think it's okay for the man to want to hook up with you, but if he expects it because he paid for the date and like that manifests itself in behavior and he's like trying to guilt trip you and like he gets all butt hurt that you didn't hook up with him.
	I have a lot of guys that complain after they're like, I want to guarantee you every woman on these panels had that happen to them.
	Don't think it's wrong for the man to have the desire, but if he has the expectation and he gets bent out of shape if you don't, yeah, that's goofy shit.
	That's a shitty shit.
	That's goofy shit.
	That's a boy.
	And it's gonna, it's gonna lose you the girl.
	So, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Don't do that.
	I mean, that's the only thing I can say.
	But how do you know when a guy is going to be that type of guy?
	I feel like, yeah, you got to find out.
	Kind of won't.
	I mean, there's probably some tells, some indicators.
	But okay, final thing on the bow, then we have to move it on to a new topic.
	Will you bow for the perfect guy?
	No.
	No.
	I forgot who said no, who said yes.
	I said I'd have a conversation, but I'm likely to lean no.
	But you say you want a guy to pay for the first date, right?
	I do.
	What if the guy says, listen, I'm open to paying for the first date, but I want to have a conversation with you about it first.
	How would you feel about that?
	I think it's because paying for the first date as a man is more accepted in the social norm, whereas bowing isn't.
	That's where I'm hesitant to the bowing.
	So I don't, I think that's like some bullshit.
	You should pay for the first date.
	So my perspective on the bow, I personally think, I think it is a sign of respect, but I think it's also kind of a playful thing.
	Okay.
	Like if she's kind of giggling while she's doing it.
	Yeah.
	You don't want her to be like locked the hell in and like, you know, really, though, really think about it.
	Really think about it.
	What do you want?
	I want her to do the bow.
	Okay.
	If she giggles while she does it, I'm not bent out of shape over it.
	Okay.
	I didn't know how serious this was.
	Because it is a serious thing.
	No, I don't think my approach.
	My approach to it is it could, like, if she wants to take it seriously, I don't want her to do it in the mocking way.
	Like, I'm doing this begrudgingly.
	Right, right, right.
	But if she's having fun with it, maybe?
	Okay.
	She can if she wants to, or if she wants to take it more seriously, like, then that's good too.
	Perfect guy, would you bow for the perfect guy?
	Perfect guy is exact looks, all your looks requirements, all your personality requirements, loyal, will never cheat.
	Billionaire, that's the perfect guy.
	Won't bow for the perfect guy.
	It's like if I couldn't have him unless I bowed, then okay, I'd bow.
	Yes, that is the yeah, I'd bow.
	Everyone would bow.
	You're lying if you said you wouldn't bow or you hate your life.
	It's one of the two.
	I would bow.
	Would you bow for the sex worker dude who you're giving blood?
	No.
	Are you saying that's your dream guy?
	That's her dream dude.
	I don't think so.
	I mean, you wouldn't do it.
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	If a company you do modeling, right?
	Or you said you do modeling?
	For certain brands, yeah.
	Okay.
	What if a, I don't know, what's it fucking hold on, guys?
	I know, sorry, I'm gonna get to the TTSs in just a sec.
	I see a couple TTSs coming through.
	I know you guys are probably waiting for them.
	I apologize for the delay.
	I'm gonna get them in just a sec.
	I don't know, some big modeling company or some shit.
	Maybe, fuck it.
	Walmart goes full retard, and they want to hire you to work at Walmart nine to five, Monday through Friday, but they're gonna pay you $10 million a year to do it.
	All you have to do is just do a little bow to all the guests that walk through.
	That's it.
	You're a greeter.
	That gets paid 10 mil a year.
	No offense to you.
	No offense to anybody at this table.
	Probably even myself.
	Well, yeah, even myself.
	You know, we'll see.
	Probably nobody here is going to be making $10 million a year.
	No offense, anybody.
	Probably not going to happen.
	It's okay.
	I mean, some of you might say, speak for yourself.
	Anyways, would you take that job?
	How long am I doing that job for?
	Oh, I mean, it could be as maybe you're like, you know what?
	I can live off of 10 mil, so I'll do it for a year.
	Yeah.
	Because it's a greeter.
	It's their way of greeting.
	But here's where I'm confused.
	Submitting to your employer instead.
	I think that's more of just the way they're asking me to greet their guests.
	And every employer has different ways of greeting guests.
	Like I've worked at an amusement park and had weird ass for me to like greet the guests.
	I've worked at in retail where a character in like a, what were the suits called?
	A mascot suit?
	No, I'm not short enough.
	Okay.
	What kind of jobs have you had?
	Like have you ever worked retail?
	Have you worked at a restaurant?
	I worked in retail for the past two years.
	I was a personal stylist.
	I worked at an amusement park in three different jobs.
	What was the amusement park job?
	I did ride photo.
	I did front gate photography.
	I did food service.
	Food service.
	And in the food service job, did that ever involve cleaning?
	Yeah.
	And did it ever involve like taking orders from customers?
	You know, like, okay, what can I get you?
	Hey, how's your day going?
	Yeah.
	Can I get you some more water?
	Yeah.
	I'm not mocking your voice.
	This is my girlfriend.
	No, I get it.
	And then you had a boss who would say, show up at this time.
	Yeah.
	You had a boss that said, go over there, do this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes were they mean to you?
	Have you ever had a bad boss?
	Not mean in that way.
	But you've had a boss who gave you direction, yeah, yeah.
	Basically, okay.
	How much did you get paid for that job?
	At the amusement park, $5 an hour.
	It was in Pennsylvania.
	Is that Hershey Park?
	Whoa.
	$5 an hour.
	Yes.
	Was that like 15 years ago, a while ago?
	Shit.
	That's still their minimum wage.
	$7.25 is the minimum wage in Pennsylvania currently.
	How did you get paid?
	I forgot to make a bunch of people.
	Because I was under 16.
	Oh, so they exploited you.
	But so, just back to this, though.
	I've been there.
	So it's interesting to me, though.
	Tough.
	So I gave you the opportunity to do a bow once a day for your perfect man.
	And this perfect man could be a billionaire to the point where you're set up for life if you're with him.
	And I assume you'd want to stay with him for life because he's the perfect guy, right?
	My perfect guy wouldn't make me do that.
	Well, it's perfect but this, right?
	Yeah.
	So like perfect but, I don't know.
	It could be anything.
	Like they're perfect, but I prefer brunettes, but they have blonde hair.
	Like everything else about them is perfect, but X thing.
	So it's interesting to me, you'll do like this.
	You'll work the, you worked for $5 an hour.
	Yeah.
	And you were submissive to your employer for $5 an hour.
	But you could be with a guy who asks one thing of you.
	Just this one thing.
	That's way easier than all the things you had to do at that job, but you won't do it because it's why the meaning behind that one thing it kind of devalues me as a person.
	You think being a wage slave for a GIGA corporation is not?
	You don't think that that is worse?
	I don't know.
	I mean, when I was 15 years old and that's the only place I can get a job, because i'm literally 15 years old well yeah, i'm not.
	Why would I not take a job I can have?
	That's not really in dispute here.
	What's in dispute is, now you're 25 and I don't do those jobs anymore.
	Sure, but i'm presenting to you a hypothetical yeah, and I I mean, i'm not sure even the jobs you currently take there's somebody who's directing you, somebody who's telling you to do xyz.
	Is that fair?
	In the current job I have no, i'm like I work for myself.
	What do you do for work?
	Social media, content creation and brand marketing yeah clients okay, but i'm telling them what to do.
	Okay, so you're consulting or whatever?
	Yeah okay, you have had experience, though.
	Yeah, working some shitty job.
	I don't get it.
	I get that.
	You don't do it now.
	You did do those jobs.
	You would, in the future, do a job where somebody was giving you orders to do something, if it paid like 10 million dollars a year as a crazy example, working at Walmart, literally doing the thing that you won't do for your perfect guy because it's the value, is different.
	It like getting paid to do something is different than my partner asking me to submit to him.
	Like if he's asking me for a kiss on the cheek every day, like greeting him when I, when he gets home from work.
	Okay, that's different than a bow, it's just it.
	It's emblematic of the unwillingness for women to do an even harmless, benign ask because of the determination that it's submissive.
	I think it's devaluing me as a human.
	It's like okay, usually if like somebody's going to bow to you, it's like they're your servant.
	This, so this brings us to our next.
	I'm not their servant.
	Would you want a guy to be willing?
	You want a guy to protect you?
	Right yeah, okay.
	So I think it devalues men that women want men to die for them.
	So how does this work out?
	Even the sidewalk rule, observing the sidewalk rule, women want men to walk closer to the street, so the entailment of that is, if a car comes like barreling down the road and I don't know, goes whatever Drunk or fucking tire blows, whatever.
	He's more likely to take the blow from the car and die or be injured than the woman.
	That's kind of where this stems from.
	That's the origination.
	Well, not totally the origination.
	It goes further back, like streets were dirty.
	So I don't know, whatever.
	Fucking horses and shit.
	Oh, what?
	I was going to say, I think the difference between that and the situation is that men want to do that.
	I've talked to a lot of men that want to die for their family.
	I love it.
	Men want to do.
	Men want.
	They want to be protectors.
	They want to be.
	They don't feel any instinctual almost desire to protect your woman.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I do.
	Absolutely.
	I think that's what she said.
	Absolutely.
	But women have an expectation on men that men do fulfill that role.
	And there's, I think, if the expectation on men is you have to be willing to die for me, you better be willing to fucking bow for me.
	If you have an expectation that I have to fucking die, that's way crazier.
	That's a bigger, way bigger ask.
	Way bigger ask.
	But yeah, of course, I want to protect.
	I'll protect my girl.
	Shit, I remember a couple years back, I was kicking it with my girl, and there was a raccoon, and she was scared of the fucking raccoon.
	And I fucking did, I'm not going to go into detail, but I took care of the raccoon.
	Oh, shoot, you killed it.
	No, I didn't say I killed it.
	I took care of the record.
	No, no, no.
	I made it enough for it couldn't refuse.
	The raccoon was being aggressive.
	I didn't want the raccoon to give my fucking girlfriend rabies.
	Yeah, probably rabid.
	So that gallon put you in a self-defense situation.
	And I dealt with it.
	But I put myself at risk.
	Okay.
	Raccoons can fuck somebody up.
	Oh, they can.
	They're not playing.
	Okay, I have a question for you because I think this might clear something up.
	Yeah, let's clear it up.
	Okay, would you rather die in combat or protecting your family, or would you rather die?
	I don't know.
	I need another scenario.
	Die, I don't know, by falling down the stairs.
	Yeah, chucking on a sandwich.
	Protecting my son.
	Protecting my family.
	Based.
	Valor.
	Yeah.
	Because it's like, yeah, you want that valor.
	You want that.
	No, but I'd rather die if you're die in honor.
	What I did than I was like to die.
	But if it's between, obviously.
	But if you have a choice, and obviously you would choose combat because you want that right now.
	No, I wouldn't.
	What?
	No, I would not pick combat.
	What?
	You wouldn't want to die out in like a shootout and like be like, yeah, I'm a fucking man.
	I protected my family.
	Hold on.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	Hold on.
	The original comparison was: would you rather die protecting your family or die at war?
	No, no, no.
	If it's between the two, I would much rather die protecting my family than in some war.
	No, no, no.
	It was either or and that situation, or would you like rather die falling down the stairs choking on a sandwich or something?
	That was the well, I think.
	I don't think you thought that question.
	I think line of question.
	Maybe I didn't.
	I think even those two, like, there's a big difference.
	Obviously, you're dying for honor, both of the scenarios, but you're making a larger, closer impact when you're dying for your family versus dying for a country per se.
	And not all our wars are totally justified.
	So you know what I'm saying?
	Why?
	Look, I guess y'all want a protector.
	And the ultimate potential manifestation of a man being a protector is to die protecting you.
	And you can't hit a bow.
	I can't argue that.
	I mean, it is an ultimate sacrifice.
	Yeah.
	I'm bowing.
	Good.
	W.
	And I, I said, I said, good.
	So.
	Yeah, some of the people here said no.
	I still don't get the like the Walmart thing, though.
	That's my confusion.
	Because I'm getting paid.
	You're getting, but if you're with, but if you're with the billionaire, like somebody who's a billionaire, that's a lot more.
	I work for them.
	I'm their partner.
	Yeah, but if you're like, if you're prepared for the best.
	That's why I said, are you looking for an assistant or a girlfriend?
	Are you looking for a boyfriend or a father?
	A bodyguard.
	A bodyguard.
	I'm not.
	Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
	Are you looking for a husband, a boyfriend, or a bodyguard?
	I don't ex like, it's like, I just want a partner.
	I want a friendship.
	I want somebody to grow with me.
	Are you looking for a boyfriend or an ATM machine?
	Are you looking for a boyfriend or a pay pig?
	I don't care about money.
	I support myself.
	You definitely care about money.
	I mean, you said you want a guy to pay for first dates and be a provider.
	I'm financially independent.
	Okay, so you need a guy who makes a man at McDonald's or doesn't have a job.
	I have.
	You'd be fine with your board.
	I would, like values, I want a man that has drive and motivation and like wants a career for himself, but I don't expect his career to be like rich.
	I don't need a man to be rich.
	Do you want to be the breadwinner?
	No, I don't need to be the breadwinner.
	I don't know if you're realizing how like circular and how completely fucked your logic is.
	I think.
	You know, I think you're values have not quite fully been defined, and I don't really know.
	Because the value is based on the connection I have with that person.
	I'm not going after money.
	It's not about you said earlier that you could be like three, four dates in with a guy, and that if Mr. Sex Worker Whore comes back and was like, I will commit to you, you'd be like, okay.
	I feel like that proves that she doesn't base off of monetary value because this is a guy who is a sex worker.
	He wanted.
	I'm just saying, in the argument that you guys are making right now and saying that she believes in more monetary value, I feel like that example does not go with your argument.
	Okay.
	Well, we have a couple chats we got to get through here.
	We're going to shift off of this topic.
	Okay.
	Wait, did I.
	Oh, Dayvon.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	I apologize for the delay.
	Devon Jackson donated $100.
	Wait, did I do this one though?
	What do I get in return?
	Your fucking bills paid.
	A man that's willing to die for you, a man that wants to make your life as easy as possible and give you options.
	It takes a half sec to be.
	Why fight it?
	Thank you, Dayvon.
	What, yes, what do men get in return?
	What do men get?
	Happiness.
	Happy.
	You get happiness.
	No, it's a lot of stress.
	A lot of stress.
	For the woman?
	For the guy.
	Do you want the woman?
	Yeah, but innately, but it's all stressful.
	It's all supposed to be about love.
	But you get that too.
	Yeah.
	So, but there's one direction in which the protecting and the providing goes.
	So what's the one direction that women give to men?
	Not the fucking band.
	Giving them children.
	That's the one thing that men can't do.
	That is the answer, but she doesn't want to have kids.
	So what is the one thing?
	Don't even like kids.
	Yeah, what's the one thing, the one direction?
	Oh, my.
	One direction, not the fucking band.
	The one thing that, by the way, Dayvon, that I'm sorry your TTS took so long.
	If you send in a 10, we'll treat it as a read.
	If you want.
	You don't have to, but we'll give you a like a sort of freebie, kind of, if you want to send in.
	What do men get one directionally?
	I'm not sure.
	Protect me.
	Be my security guard.
	Be my ATM machine.
	Provide.
	What do men get?
	What duties do women have to men?
	To be there for them.
	But that goes the other way.
	Yeah, it does.
	But a girl doesn't have to do that for all men.
	Like, girls choose to do that.
	Right.
	But a guy can stay with a girl just because she's pretty or just because she's young.
	A lot of guys just pay to be with women.
	That's so.
	I agree.
	So here's where I guess I agree.
	Men are getting ripped off.
	Men are not getting a fair deal.
	So I agree that like a woman.
	So if a woman is doing the respect, the loving, the caring for that man, why is that not a fair trade-off when he could just pay for a girl that doesn't care about him?
	I'm not really following.
	You're asking for an assistant.
	Does she actually care?
	You're asking for a security guard and an ATM machine.
	I'm not.
	Yes, you are.
	You want a guy to protect and provide.
	Yeah.
	Men are really good at admitting how they can sacrifice.
	I noticed they're really good at communicating that, but women have such a hard time discussing what they can sacrifice.
	What do women?
	Crazy.
	What do women bring to the table?
	Usually what we're sacrificing is our, I don't know, to some degree, like our ability to, you know, work and make money and all that, but like you're also like raising kids.
	You're taking care of yourself.
	That's a sacrifice.
	That's a, you know, yeah.
	But it's, but it's a, but it's a valid one.
	It is an absolute one.
	I would gladly like not work for like a decade if like I got to, you know, stay home and take care of my home, take care of my kids, take care of my animals, take care of my man.
	But women will submit to their employer, but they won't submit to their husbands.
	That's what I was saying.
	It won't keep you warm.
	Exactly.
	It means nothing.
	I think that withholding the traditional values of a woman being a caretaker, both, you know, of the house and of the family, I think that in a sense, she's sacrificing her autonomy in a way that maybe you aren't as a man because she cannot, let's say she has a passion.
	She wants to be a musician or whatever.
	She wants to be a doctor.
	She's focused on those household tasks rather than pursuing that.
	I mean, you can treat it as a hobby.
	I mean, like, you know, I enjoy music.
	I enjoy.
	Yeah, but I'm just saying she wouldn't be able to achieve her career goals if that was her priority.
	You know, initially.
	So I would view that as a privilege, though.
	The privilege to not have to work.
	Men don't unless there's rare.
	I hear where you're coming from.
	There's really rare situations where...
	Some people do love what they do, though.
	So men have really only two scenarios they can ever fall into.
	They can get into a 50-50 or they can be the primary breadwinner, but it's really rare that a man can ever go into any sort of dating situation with the expectation that the woman is going to take care of everything.
	I realize that it occasionally happens.
	I think you mean financially?
	Yeah, I think the women are typically really dissatisfied with that dynamic.
	Even boss babes are like, where the fuck is this scrub?
	Yeah, definitely.
	But I kind of think that's a privilege to like, if you find a guy who's willing to take care of you, that's a privilege to not have to work.
	Working sucks.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	I think it's a difference in values, though, because I will say that I myself, I don't consider myself money motivated.
	I know plenty of other women who aren't money motivated.
	I know plenty of struggling artists, friends who would choose that life over maybe a more soft and comfortable life, but they're not pursuing their passions for their own.
	Right.
	Well, then you get into the passion.
	People can have a choice.
	I think people can have choices.
	But I think as a woman, if you're going to start holding men to traditional gender expectations, traditional gender roles, I think, look, a lot of women can still get it.
	You can be a total degenerate modern woman and still get men who are going to pay for dates, be a protector, do all these things.
	I'm just saying from a bird's eye perspective, looking down at the chessboard, it seems like a pretty raw deal for men.
	Women continue to reap the benefits of traditional behavior in men, but they won't be traditional women.
	Women have completely revoked, isn't the right word.
	Women have forsaken their traditional roles, but still demand men adhere to theirs.
	And I think women can still get it, but it's a really raw deal for men.
	I'm going to let a couple chats come through.
	Before I do, though, I want to try to get the people who haven't been able to say as much.
	Do you want to weigh in on this convo or nothing to add?
	Ellie, what about you?
	You want to weigh in?
	Nothing?
	You want to just keep death staring with the cameras?
	Okay, rock and roll.
	We have a chat here.
	Dayvon.
	Oh, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Oops.
	Devon Jackson donated $100.
	Cheers, man.
	Thank you.
	I'm more than happy to pay the full amount to make these women think for once in their lives.
	Chair one is awful, and chair four talked about paying for chefs and maids.
	Men get nothing from women like this.
	Who is chair one and chair four?
	Chair one, your chair four.
	I'm chair four.
	What did I say?
	So I guess here, I'll pose the question again.
	I'll pose the question again.
	What women like this?
	Okay.
	Women want men to do XYZ.
	Women want men to be protectors and providers.
	That's one directional that goes from men to women.
	What do women do?
	What duties do women have?
	What do women do uniquely to women?
	We raised the kids.
	We have to.
	Well, to you.
	Since it's kind of directed at you.
	Could you repeat the question one more time?
	I didn't want to have more time speaking.
	So what duties do women have either to men or to society?
	Well, in terms of gender roles, I feel like I've discussed the duties that women have.
	Yeah, I said theoretically, if me and my partner were in a position where we were financially free and able to get help around the house, such as a chef and maid, that would be ideal for me just because I have other interests and hobbies.
	But I do think those are things that women traditionally provide.
	So I think that's.
	But I mean, realistically speaking, most people are not going to have the level of wealth.
	Yeah, so I think in that scenario, then the women can provide that if you adhere to a traditional relationship, which is the topic of this conversation.
	I'm going to let some more chats come through.
	Inapproachable.
	I apologize for the delay on these.
	You sent.
	Inapproachable donated $100.
	The only reasonable thing to do after a woman does your laundry on the first date.
	Sorry for the delay.
	What's your ring size?
	So he's saying, essentially, if a woman, that's wifey material.
	Yeah.
	You do the laundry.
	I don't know.
	You want to get the guy, maybe, you know, did the thing.
	I'll add it to the inapproachable.
	I apologize for the delay for getting that in.
	If you want to send in a 10, we'll treat it because of the delay.
	I know it doesn't totally make up for the delay of pulling it up.
	You want to send in a 10, we'll treat it as a read TTS, basically.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Walmart.
	Thank you.
	Walmart Boss donated $200.
	Boom.
	I would bow for the $10 million and head over to Michanos for a vacation.
	Easy.
	That's where I get confused: You'll do all these things within the framework of an employer-employee dynamic.
	And by the way, your employer will fire you when it's just there's no loyalty.
	Like employers, especially major corporations, won't show you any loyalty.
	The moment you become whatever, whatever, they're gone.
	They're going to fire you.
	You could work for a company for actually, you know what?
	I want to tell you guys something.
	My dad was working for this company for something like 20, 30 years.
	He recently retired.
	And I hope he's okay with me.
	I'm not going to share details, but and he was working.
	He could have, and he was well paid.
	He was, I'll leave it.
	I don't want to go into details, but he could have like jumped ship.
	Oftentimes, the best way to make more money is not to ask for a raise.
	It's to go to a different company.
	That's the way most people have like big jumps in their salary and their income.
	He stayed with this company for 20, 30 years, something like that.
	And they let him go.
	So he was kind of planning on retiring a little bit later down the line, soon, anyways.
	But they fired him.
	He was with them for 20, 30 years.
	No, there wasn't any, I don't know, it was like the typical HR.
	He got paid severance, but it was very impersonal.
	And he was upset by it because he's like, hey, I've been working for this company for 20, 30 years.
	And not even like a thank you for your.
	If you're going to fire somebody who's worked for you for 20, 30 years, you should, you know, have a little, not just like the HR lady who's been there for six months, calls you in, who's fucking mid-20s.
	You know, he's an older guy.
	You have, I don't know, maybe the CEO says something, whatever.
	So he's a little upset by that.
	That's what's going to happen, though, with your corporations.
	You're going to work, work, work.
	You're going to labor, labor, labor.
	And they'll just get rid of you.
	And they're going to, I'm telling you, a corporation, the boss, whatever kind of work you're going to do, it's going to ask way more of you than the husband will.
	Yeah, and it's meaningless work, too.
	So that's where I'm confused with this.
	I won't bow for the perfect guy, but I will clean tables and clean toilets and clean bathrooms and do all this for a company and make $20 an hour, $5 an hour.
	But you won't bow for the perfect guy?
	Okay.
	Just kind of, I don't know, whatever.
	She.
	She.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I've got more chats coming through.
	Thank you, man.
	Iron Man Underscore 960 donated $100.
	I would like to see all of these women do an experiment.
	They should start a profile as a man and try to get a woman to date them.
	Using mid-pic and their income can't be more than the median income.
	Why would we do that?
	Sounds like a lot of work.
	I'm already excited.
	That is a good idea.
	That is a good idea.
	Do we have?
	Oh, we do have age.
	Do we have, Nick, do you have those pulled up?
	Yep.
	Age and gender swap?
	Okay, we'll get to that in a bit.
	I look like my brother.
	Thank you, Iron Man, though.
	Thank you.
	That is a good point.
	You know, I think the big thing is, if you were to put, I don't know, I think average women don't want average men.
	That's and if you guys were to hop on a dating app and like gender swap your photos, you'd be like, damn.
	Shit.
	If I was born a man, I'd be an incel, basically.
	Do you think average men want average women?
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	How often do you think mothers, before anything is signed and before being asked to do so, volunteer to get DNA tests done for their babies?
	Absolutely.
	No idea.
	Volunteer, 0%.
	Zero.
	Zero percent.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Maybe there's a couple.
	There's like a couple women who are.
	I feel like the only reason you would volunteer to get a DNA test if you're not sure that's a lot of fun.
	Yeah, if you don't know who the bother in an open or polyamorous relationship, which I feel like if you're volunteering, or it could just be like a really base woman.
	You're trying to figure something out.
	Who volunteers, I guess.
	It should be mandatory.
	Oh, by the way, guys, TTS is down to 100 now.
	We've lowered it.
	If you guys want to get a TTS in, $100 TTS.
	Christopher donated $100.
	If you want the man to family, you could at least provide him the security that the family is actually his.
	I think that's totally valid, and I would hope that.
	Well, in the sense, it wouldn't even need to happen because you're so sure it's yours, but it would happen out of the respect and the comfort and knowledge of knowing that's it.
	I feel like if you have something different, though, that's your child.
	I feel like if you have to just some men have been tricked, you know, raising a kid that's not actually theirs biologically.
	Because the babies can get switched at birth.
	Oh, that's true.
	Actually, it's like way more than you would think.
	Yeah.
	They're booting.
	Bamboozled.
	We have Baja here.
	Thank you, Christopher, though.
	Well, Ellie barely talked, so I think that says a lot about you.
	I finally find a wife material girl, but I am out of her age range.
	Oh, what is that?
	Okay.
	I'm scared.
	How old are you?
	Baja.
	What would you have like a send in a resume?
	Oh, Baja.
	She asked.
	That's not an outright rejection.
	What details do you want to know about Baja?
	Baja, yeah, age would be great.
	Ethnicity, probably.
	You only did it.
	Location.
	Is that your real name?
	Good talk.
	I mean, that's pretty much it.
	Baseline, and then everything else, more details.
	Age and race.
	Age, race.
	I mean, he says I'm good.
	Wife material.
	I mean, I'll take what I can get.
	That sounds like a great deal.
	He wants you to baby bird him, apparently.
	Of course.
	Yes.
	Obedience first.
	You want to know his job?
	You want to know anything else?
	Job?
	I mean, yeah, I'd hope that he's not a sex worker.
	I'd maybe ask for his test results.
	Test results.
	Yeah.
	Just like, you know, sexually transmitted diseases.
	How many sexual partners he's had in his entire life?
	Body count.
	Yeah.
	How good at math are you?
	Yeah, exactly.
	We'll do this.
	Baja.
	Age, race, job, body count, and how many if you have VD.
	Do you want them to be vaxed or not vaxxed?
	Well, don't say that because then he's going to say whatever you want.
	Yeah.
	I need him to tell me if he's vaccinated or not.
	All right.
	The Fauci Auchi?
	Okay.
	All right.
	She needs to know.
	All right.
	We have Young Serpent.
	Young underscore serpent donated $100.
	It is depressing to watch the current dating scene.
	Feels like a lot of women today want an ATM bodyguard and model all in one but don't want to be partners.
	What happened to the 80s/slash 90s type of love?
	Is there anything specific you're asking, though?
	What do you want out of the partnership?
	What does 80s, 90s type of love mean?
	What does that mean as a woman?
	I think Johnny Polygon said it really well.
	The worst thing to happen to your love life was the internet.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So dystal depressed, I guess.
	I have a good one on this.
	Young serpent.
	She does ask, what do you mean by 80s, 90s type of love, young serpent?
	If you want to send another one in, tell us what that is.
	What is 80s, 90s type of love?
	What do you guys think about this?
	Who here has a TikTok account?
	Who here doom scrolls?
	I try not to, but I'm not sure.
	All right.
	How about this?
	How about this?
	Forget the bow.
	Forget the bow.
	Your boyfriend, in his determination, this is a bit redundant.
	Has deemed that it's bad for you to be on TikTok doom scrolling.
	And he says, I want you to delete TikTok from your phone and Instagram reels and Snapchat and Facebook and let's just keep it.
	TikTok's the most are retarded.
	So we're loud.
	We've guys here at the chat, we've eased up on some of our TOS language.
	We've eased up on it.
	I guess all these platforms are like more chill with some of the shit.
	Anyways, what was I saying?
	You were saying your boyfriend wants to delete.
	Oh, TikTok.
	Yeah, TikTok's the most retarded.
	So he's just like, whatever.
	You can have Facebook reels, whatever.
	But you have to delete TikTok.
	Is he asking or telling me?
	He can put parental controls on my phone if that needs.
	Parental controls.
	I think that's a good argument.
	And what you were talking about, how being somebody mentioned it.
	I think it was you about how being online is like the worst thing for your relationship.
	And I think that is what whoever made the comment about wanting the 80s, 90s type of love, it's, yeah, I think social media does have a lot of cons to it.
	But I will be honest, I am a content creator and I do make money from social media.
	I see a lot of the pros.
	I acknowledge that there are cons to it, such as doom scrolling and frying your brain in your dopamine in comparison XYZ.
	I wouldn't do it though, because I do enjoy the lifestyle that I live because of social media.
	But I think that there is a lot of beauty and humanity to being totally disconnected from social media.
	It's just, I'm not in a place where I can do that, to be honest.
	So what if it was all just gone tomorrow?
	Then I think that would be beautiful.
	But like that's not our reality.
	Okay, so like, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	I'd probably be okay.
	So there's the hypothetical engagement there.
	Like, if it was all gone, no social media, no internet.
	Uh-huh.
	Gone.
	Yeah.
	What would you do?
	Learn to live without it.
	I feel like that's not what he asked.
	But that's like your livelihood.
	So, I mean, obviously.
	I mean, it's not my only source of income.
	It is one of my sources of income.
	And I just, I enjoy social media.
	I like making a little thirst trap.
	Sue me.
	I like being a Gen Z baby.
	So yeah, I would figure out how to live without it.
	And I'm sure that, you know, we would all have much more genuine relationships with the people around us if social media doesn't exist.
	But it does exist and it's not going to go anywhere.
	So we can welcome a blind hypothetical games, but one day it's never going to happen.
	Total blind.
	With the way the technology is advancing, it's never going to happen.
	Never know.
	Never know.
	Question for Ellie, though.
	You know, the chat's fucking simping over you.
	But Ellie, can you?
	You know what?
	We got to change shit up a little bit.
	Ellie, do you want to tell the chat what red flags you have?
	Red flags.
	Of which there are many, right?
	Gosh.
	That I have?
	That you have.
	Personal red flags about me to like dispel some of the caution, proceed with caution.
	Red flag.
	I guess I'm really insecure.
	And I think that kind of comes off narcissistic sometimes because I'm so like worried about like my image or whatever.
	And that kind of like I always think about how others are perceiving me.
	So that can get annoying, maybe.
	I use a lot of filler words like I'm and like.
	I am a Zoomer, so I'm on my phone all day.
	I don't really get out much.
	I don't know.
	What else?
	Are you some probing questions that I can go with here?
	Any of like something about your background or something that is red flag?
	What's the craziest thing you've ever done to like a partner or an ex or something?
	I don't have anything.
	She's very pure.
	Oh, yes.
	Wait, would you hold hands with a girl?
	Huh?
	Well, yes, not in a romantic way.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	No, there's no homo relations going on here.
	Good for you.
	I haven't found that out about myself yet.
	Good job.
	Right on.
	Nothing wrong with those homo relations, by the way.
	See, chat, you made a good choice.
	Really interesting.
	What about like you, like you, you turn your socks inside out, like when you're done wearing a red, a real red flag?
	Really?
	Red flag?
	I think that's beige.
	Is that really that red?
	Am I turning your socks inside out?
	Gross.
	Do you have any mental illnesses?
	Well, I did get prescribed Zoloft, but I never picked up my prescription because, like, I don't know, SSRIs are kind of freaky.
	Yeah.
	They have bad sounds.
	Oh, dude, we got Decoy Voice in the chat.
	You know what?
	Hey, Nick, pull up Decoy Voice's Instagram.
	Wait, let me just.
	Decoy Voice.
	I'm going to get you a girlfriend, bro.
	I'm your wing.
	I'm winning.
	I am.
	No.
	Somebody else.
	Decoy.
	Let me check.
	Do you have photos on your Instagram or is it just like you post?
	Do you post?
	Oh, okay.
	Oh.
	Wait, okay.
	Decoy BTS on Instagram.
	All right, pull him up.
	Uh-oh.
	I got you, Decoy.
	All right.
	He's a YouTuber.
	Now, look, 3,000 followers on Instagram, but let me just, you know, build him up a little bit here.
	Click on that YouTube link from Decoy Voice.
	Click that shit.
	Cooper.
	Wait, hold on.
	Check it before.
	Just do a quick check.
	Make sure it's like there's nothing.
	You know, he's not posting like weird shit.
	It's fine.
	It's clean.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Go ahead.
	We got to be careful when we open up links live, you know?
	All right, pull it up.
	All right.
	Oh, look at this guy.
	Hey, by the way, get this fucking guy to a million subscribers.
	What the fuck?
	This guy's been grinding.
	49,000 subscribers away.
	I like his thumbnail.
	Get him over the precipice.
	Get him over the edge.
	That sounded weird.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Scroll down.
	This guy does good views, okay?
	He's nothing.
	Oh, my goodness.
	500k views five days ago.
	Congratulations, man.
	So successful guy.
	Don't let the 3,000 on Instagram, whatever.
	And there's more to somebody than their following count.
	Okay.
	Pull up the Instagram again, though.
	Just want to say he's not a scrub.
	He's no scrub.
	All right.
	Okay, he's with Brett Cooper.
	He got her pregnant.
	Can you click the Brett Cooper picture?
	Click the Brett Cooper picture.
	The girl.
	Good job, Decoy.
	You know, I knew you had it in you.
	He got her pregnant.
	Just kidding.
	That's a.
	He's.
	Never mind.
	Exile that.
	Scroll down.
	Click the Tim Pool one.
	Like the picture of the cat.
	All right.
	He got Tim Pool pregnant.
	Just kidding.
	Exile that.
	He's playing.
	What is that game you're playing?
	What is the pickleball?
	Pickleball?
	He has a cat.
	Look at that.
	He's athletic.
	No pickle.
	He's athletic.
	All right.
	So going around the table.
	That's it, really.
	You should ask him what you're doing.
	Play the video, or play the video where he's walking.
	What's he saying?
	Click it.
	He put it on video tab, and yes.
	What he's saying.
	All right.
	He didn't know.
	He thought he was just lurking in the chat.
	He didn't play the little office is for a little meet.
	I decided to go hang out at the promenade where I used to work.
	It's actually really sad to see how bad this place has gotten because half the stores are not even open anymore.
	And like there's a guy busking behind me.
	And it's like, on a night like this, at least when I was here, they used to make like hundreds of dollars a day.
	And basically, he's busking.
	He's just saying.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Okay, you heard his voice.
	Forget about it.
	What is his accent?
	Wow.
	Sounds a sound.
	Are you Boston?
	Sounds like he's coasting, but he lives in LA.
	Decoy in the chat.
	Is he still?
	He might not even.
	Are you watching, dude?
	Are you in chat?
	Is he in the chat?
	I haven't seen if he's been typing.
	He's probably like.
	Is he in the chat?
	Decoy?
	Are you in the chat?
	I'll keep an eye on it if you're watching.
	What's your accent, dude?
	Going around the table, would you date Decoy Voice?
	Did he ask for this?
	No, I'm just.
	Is this your homeboy?
	He's my homie.
	Okay.
	He's my homie.
	And by the way, I just want to say, before you make your decision, huge penis.
	Giant penis and very charming and rich.
	And he's Korean.
	He says he's Korean.
	He says.
	All right.
	He might want the battle.
	He's going to hate me after that.
	Most likely.
	Going around the table, would you go on a date with?
	And by the way, some of y'all are in LA.
	He's in LA.
	I can hook it up.
	Would you date Decoy?
	Date or go on a date?
	What's your name, dude?
	Here, we're going to call him Jack.
	What's his real.
	What?
	Go on a date or Diego?
	Yeah, go on a date with him.
	I would give him a chance.
	Oh, Decoy Voice.
	There you go.
	What about you?
	You're single.
	Not my type.
	Okay.
	No?
	No.
	You don't like Asian guys?
	No, I do, actually.
	I'm actually really into Asian guys.
	He's Korean.
	I know.
	Is that a problem?
	I'm very, very, very into the guy that I'm in that situation with.
	Oh, like, very.
	You said you were single, though.
	I am single, but I'm making a fight for this one.
	Wait, just to be clear, the guy who very rudely.
	Yes.
	I had a huge problem with it, if you recall.
	I know.
	Didn't show up to your really, really important dance recital.
	And then he hasn't talked to you for a week.
	Well, I can't check my phone now, but I know he was blowing up my phone before I got in here.
	Okay.
	I just haven't been able to.
	I'm just saying.
	For six months.
	Decoy.
	I don't know if Decoy was in the whatever, but he would have showed up to that dance thing.
	You know that.
	He would have made a personal personality.
	He would have showed up for sure.
	Would you date him?
	I'm a personality girl, so I would have to have a conversation with him, maybe stalk the social media a little bit.
	Maybe.
	Well, yeah, but how do you make an initial decision?
	Have you been on a dating app?
	Honestly, like, no.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I mean, like, how do you make an initial assessment?
	Like, oh, I'm going to date a guy.
	Well, I typically meet them in some sort of social setting, and we just have a conversation, and we either click or we don't.
	Are you sick?
	Am I sick?
	I had surgery two days ago.
	Oh, that's right.
	It's fucking funny.
	No, that's right.
	Yeah, I saw Mary Daisy, and my nose is also very good.
	Based on what you saw, would you be you were he takes you to Mac or something?
	He was super funny.
	He's hilarious.
	And he has a huge penis.
	But we could maybe talk.
	From what I recall, it was an issue.
	The penis thing was an issue for you.
	The small penis.
	He has a huge one.
	This is good information.
	Valuable information.
	Giant.
	Okay, Allie.
	Would you date him?
	Yes, but I think for like a pretty stupid reason, I think he reminds me of the really buff dad in the train to Busan movie.
	And that just like brings like a connection of courageousness to me.
	So I think that's why I'm saying yes.
	It's a good word.
	Mostly.
	Okay, what about you?
	Would you date him?
	No, not my type.
	about you if you were well you guys are in Maybe you guys don't have to answer, I guess, because you're.
	I would.
	True.
	True.
	I mean, fucking.
	You got some comments.
	Obviously, in a very different universe.
	Hypothetical all right decoy voice.
	There you have it.
	Wingmanned.
	Boom.
	Easy.
	Any people with a check mark in the chat ever want to get wingmanned?
	I'll do it for you.
	All right.
	So, well, you know, if you're cool.
	We have more chats coming through.
	Baja, finally, with the details.
	Yay!
	Oh, I'm excited.
	Thank you, Baja.
	Baja donated $100.
	So, like I said, out of your age range, in white.
	5 feet 10 inches, 175 pounds.
	I live in the Midwest.
	Born in Texas, I like to make people laugh.
	I have not been vaxxed.
	Strong immune system.
	Sounds like a really great contender.
	Of course, obviously, not thinking about the age thing, but you sound like a catch to me.
	What's your cutoff?
	Like 30, but like 30 is a stretch of it.
	Thank you, Baja.
	Appreciate it.
	Based Thor donated $100.
	I legit got here cancer from these 304s.
	Question for the panel: You're dating a guy.
	You really like him.
	Everything is going well.
	You invite him over for dinner.
	What dish are you making to impress him?
	Can I ask what 304s?
	What's that?
	Area code.
	Oh, something like that.
	Slow-cooked pot roast, garlic mashed potatoes around the table.
	Pasta.
	Pasta.
	A lasagna.
	Lasagna.
	Oh, my God.
	Well, I am Peruvian and Portuguese, and one of my favorite dishes is polla braza.
	It's just a rotisserie chicken, basically.
	I love it, so I'd probably make that.
	Sweet, Ellie.
	So I have like a really strong visceral connection to soup.
	Like it's kind of that's another thing, maybe a red flag if you don't like soup.
	But stews and soups are like everything to me.
	So I'd probably have to share a little bit of my love for that with them.
	With a, I don't know, a hearty minestrone or something like that.
	All right, that's unique.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would either make sencocho or potato balls.
	What about you?
	I would make a seafood dish with what?
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	A seafood dish with a vegetable and a starch, like sweet potatoes.
	What about you?
	Definitely a steak somewhere up in there.
	Potatoes, and probably like a salad or like I don't know.
	I'm hungry just thinking about it.
	I'm gonna say right now.
	I want to go get massage.
	Oh, yeah.
	With 80s/slash 90s type of love, I meant genuine connection and not the transactional BS that we see a lot of today.
	Care for summarized it pretty well, TBH.
	Thanks for engaging, y'all.
	Peace IFW Brians would dig in.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the clarification there.
	Yeah.
	I want that like 1800s love.
	Arranged marriage.
	You know, different things are different, but we'll take it.
	Just kidding.
	It seems like that's the only way to do it.
	No way.
	I just have to think about it.
	That's crazy.
	The outfits are fire.
	Just kidding.
	Let's see.
	Here, we got to do going around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Better looking.
	So you're 25, better looking at 35.
	Perhaps, maybe.
	Perchance.
	Perhaps.
	Perhaps.
	What about it in 20 years?
	That's 45.
	I think so.
	I see how my sister looks.
	How old's your sister?
	Sister.
	Yeah.
	Full sister.
	Yep.
	My mom had me at 46.
	I am.
	So your sister was born at, does she have kids?
	No.
	Because she could have kids that are your age.
	Yes, my brother has kids that are my age.
	How's your brother?
	70.
	70.
	No, he's.
	Is he younger than your sister?
	Yeah, he's 44.
	How old are his kids?
	One is 26 now, and the other is about to be 21.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Whoa.
	The math is not fucking mathing.
	Wait, so you have...
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I got it.
	I got this shit.
	Hold on.
	Let him cook.
	Hold on.
	Let him fucking cook.
	Your mom had you.
	At 46.
	At 46.
	But your sister is 50.
	that doesn't wait.
	Her mom would have had her around 16, right?
	16, 17, 18.
	19.
	Wait, hold on.
	Am I just retarded?
	I think I'm retarded.
	Wait.
	My mom is not 46 now.
	She had me at 46.
	I know, I know.
	So she's 70 now.
	I think you can sue yourself.
	I thought I had something.
	Because minus the 25, 50.
	My sister's 26 years older than me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so then 21 is when your mom had your sister.
	Oh my gosh, I'm fucking retarded.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	It happens as the show gets into its later hours.
	Okay.
	So better looking, better looking in 30 years at 55.
	I feel like 10 years and 30.
	That's a big difference.
	For her, though.
	We'll get to you.
	We'll get to you.
	I don't necessarily think better looking, but I don't think I'm going to be ugly.
	Will you be just as attractive then?
	To people my age, probably.
	Okay.
	Is there any point where, like, do you have a peak?
	When do you think you'll peak?
	I think I would peak probably 30, 35 is like peak attractiveness.
	Okay.
	You're 33, better looking in 10 years' time, 43?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Were you better looking at 23 or better looking now?
	Better looking at 23.
	Okay.
	Definitely.
	You're 22, better looking in 10 years' time, 32?
	If I keep using Korean skincare.
	Keep using the Korean skincare?
	Okay.
	Decoy can hook you up with some of that stuff.
	20 years' time, 42.
	By the way, the question is here, you can't get plastic surgery, like plastic surgery off the table.
	That's why I said Korean skincare.
	I still think my mom looks great.
	People look worse with plastic surgery than Lindsey and Chris Jeff.
	No bots.
	No Botox.
	No Botox, no plastic surgery.
	Better looking 42?
	20 years?
	I mean, my mom is like 50-something.
	She's a Korean skincare.
	Actress or something?
	No, she's a real estate agent.
	You're way old.
	Wait.
	No?
	My mom's a real estate agent.
	Who am I thinking about?
	Who.
	Okay, whatever.
	It doesn't matter.
	52, better looking?
	I mean, like, if I look like her when she's using all the Korean skincare, people think that she's like in her 30s.
	Like, sometimes people like ask of Warsisters because I look older than 22 sometimes to some people.
	What about you?
	You're 20, 20?
	Yes.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 30.
	I think that for women, the beauty standard is placed a lot on youth.
	And I know that some men think women expire, especially in this industry.
	So I'm inclined to say I won't be as attractive in 30 years.
	But on that same note, like, you know, I still have hormones.
	I still have acne.
	Like, I think that I won't hit my prime until like 27, 28.
	So I think I will be more attractive in 10 years because I'm still growing into my features and maturing.
	So yeah, that's how I feel.
	What about 20 years at 40?
	Better looking?
	I think I will be more attractive at 30 than I am now.
	And I think I will be more attractive at 30 than 40.
	So no.
	Ellie, 18, better looking in 10 years' time at 28.
	I think I hit the wall at 25, so no.
	Okay, what about you?
	21, better looking in 10 years' time, 31.
	I feel like I'd look more attractive, like 31.
	21.
	Or like, about the same.
	I feel like that's when the decline will start.
	Okay, you're 25, better looking in 10 years' time, 35.
	Better looking now.
	All right.
	36, better looking in 10 years' time, 46.
	No, God, no.
	And then were you better looking at 26 versus now at 30?
	Absolutely.
	Better looking better.
	Okay.
	We have put all of you through an AI age advancement.
	Okay.
	That's like crazy on the table.
	We are going to see.
	We're going to see if you guys are going to be better looking.
	Some of you said just the same, still good.
	We're going to see.
	We're going to see.
	What photos did he use?
	Did he like screen clip this?
	We actually stalked you guys and followed you to your house.
	But I didn't want to make any assumptions.
	All right.
	Ready, Nick?
	All right.
	First one.
	Boom.
	Oh, God.
	Whoa.
	Your friend loved it.
	Oh, geez.
	She's in love.
	Damn, your friend's wow.
	Are you going to let your friend laugh at you like that?
	Exactly.
	He looks like the people in the together movie.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	Damn, bro.
	That's your girl.
	You're going to let your girl talk to you?
	You're going to let your girl throw you under the bus that way?
	Shit.
	Oh.
	I'm excited for mine, too.
	What do you think?
	What do you think?
	I mean, I don't think it's accurate, but like, go on.
	Like, number one.
	Ladies, make sure you're put on some psyche.
	That doesn't even look like what 30-year-olds look like.
	Well, no, no, it's not 30.
	Yeah, that's like 40.
	30, 40, 50.
	That's more 70.
	That's very old.
	It's like, I just get what my mom looks like at 70, and like, it's not even close to any of those images.
	I mean, sounds like older.
	Do you know how old that's supposed to be?
	That middle photo, if you look like that at 70.
	That's that.
	How old is that?
	No, that's like 50.
	Okay.
	Mid-50s.
	I was expecting to see myself when I was 30.
	No, I was expecting.
	How do you really feel about these photos?
	I don't think it's accurate.
	I just seriously think she looks like the.
	Are you a bit upset that your bestie, your best girlfriend, just laughed at how you're going to look when you're an old grandma?
	I know.
	I should fight.
	That's crazy.
	That's going to be an awkward car ride back because you guys do have together, right?
	We're not all good at all.
	I think that's a great representation of what she would have looked like if she was in that movie with Dave Franco.
	If I was in the movie, yeah.
	Love it.
	For sure.
	Next.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, geez.
	It looks so cute.
	Oh, geez.
	I look like a babushka.
	Actually, I don't mind that.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, you look cute.
	You look friendly.
	I'm Anona.
	I'm anonymous.
	You kind of look like the evil woman from Rapunzel.
	Yeah.
	Oh, she was a baddie.
	All right.
	Next.
	Jesus.
	You look a little evil.
	Helloki.
	Actually, not so bad.
	What's going on with your cheeks?
	No, I know.
	They look really chunky.
	Guess I'm in there.
	You look like you run like you're the president of an HOA.
	Actually, you do.
	And your friend, I could see that.
	Marjorie Taylor Green.
	Yeah.
	But like.
	Paulie DeMitch's her best friend.
	An HOA that's kind of a little controlling.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Do you know about HOAs?
	Homeowners Associations.
	I should.
	You're like your grass needs to be mowed.
	Quarter-inch to losses, not up to the standards that they're going to be.
	Fine, your ass.
	Okay, next.
	Wait, why do I look at this?
	Why do I look crazy?
	I need to see that again.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm not so bad.
	Hey, all right.
	If that's what the world wants, it's not bad.
	Here, we'll pull it up again.
	I'll take it.
	Hey, I'm kind of cute.
	Not so bad.
	MILF.
	Thank you.
	You know what's kind of weird?
	This is going to sound kind of crazy.
	Okay.
	For some reason, you're.
	I'm just going to say, you're kind of hotter in the second picture.
	Well, do you see it?
	Does anybody see that?
	I see it.
	I think I look more mature, you know.
	I appreciate that, I think.
	You're welcome.
	You're welcome.
	It's kind of weird.
	All right.
	Next.
	Let me cook.
	What?
	You look good.
	What's going on in the third pick, though, with your eyes?
	Looks like.
	Whoa.
	She has jaunties.
	She looks like you turned into a Caucasian lady.
	Took some MILF.
	All right.
	Let's do next.
	Horrified.
	I know.
	Vita, you look so sweet.
	Oh, my God.
	I look like an old lady.
	I look like, do you want some candy, baby?
	Bless your heart, Shugi.
	Bless your heart.
	You're so friendly.
	You look like you give like your nephews weed, Loki.
	Ew.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	What's the last picture?
	Lunch lady.
	Nice.
	You give nice teachers.
	You look this like so slightly different from the third picture to the second picture.
	Also, I look good in my eyes squinting.
	Roots are totally grown out, though.
	They were like the roots are totally grown out.
	They're totally grown out.
	All right.
	Next.
	It keeps replaying it.
	I look like I make some really good cookies.
	There you go.
	You do.
	Totally.
	You do.
	Nice.
	Oh, boy.
	Here we go.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Oh, you're so pretty.
	Age-like fine wine.
	The middle one's pretty good.
	Yeah.
	Last one, too.
	Love it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Next.
	Okay.
	You guys used an old photo.
	You look like an old pen.
	I didn't send them that.
	That's an old.
	That's a really old photo.
	That's like old.
	You're very handsome in the middle right here, though.
	Yeah, look.
	In the middle?
	Yes.
	I'm like 60.
	Yeah, but it's like, yeah, it's silver fox.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know what's crazy, though?
	My, my, I become more muscular.
	Like the neck muscles look insane.
	Yeah, more defined strength.
	You're working on that.
	Because you lose fat when you get older.
	Damn.
	That's okay.
	Wow.
	You look like you stay lifting, though.
	Is there more?
	Did they do another version of me?
	All right.
	The next thing we have: we gender swapped all of you.
	Oh, Lord.
	That's going to be fun.
	So we're going to, we changed.
	I don't have any brothers.
	I'd love to see what exactly is.
	So, what we're going to do is the question you have to ask yourself is: well, what I want you to do is rate the guy.
	Yes.
	I want you to rate the guy, and then would you date him?
	Would you date the guy?
	All right.
	Freddy Nick.
	All right.
	Boom.
	Honestly, it kind of looks like you.
	I'd low-key date you.
	My brother.
	Like, I have a twin cousin.
	Make it a bit smaller, Nick.
	Or make the video small.
	You need to get rid of that unibrow, but aside from that, like, you're kind of cute.
	That's just shadows.
	Yeah, with the beard.
	It kind of looks like my twin brother.
	Would you date?
	Would you rate this guy on the scale of one to ten?
	There's like a fly.
	Um, maybe like six, seven, six, seven.
	Yeah.
	Notice.
	Very nice.
	Okay, let's see.
	My uh, would you date him?
	Not my type personally, but if they have like a nice personality, yeah.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Actually, let's take a look.
	Exactly.
	And then they're back.
	Is he my type?
	No, not totally.
	Would you rate him on a scale of one to ten?
	I'd give him a good six.
	All right.
	Would you date him?
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Would you shop at his phone?
	At the bar?
	Maybe.
	I'm a shot.
	All right.
	Not so bad.
	Next.
	Oh, God.
	I look like my cousin.
	Oh, my God.
	You're so cute.
	I look exactly like my channel.
	Yeah.
	You look like a military man.
	Yeah.
	In the best way possible, you look military man.
	So what do you rate him?
	And would you date him?
	I wouldn't date him because he looks exactly like my cousin.
	But I give him like a seven.
	Okay.
	He looks good with the beard.
	Yeah.
	I'm digging the beard.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Why did they race swap me?
	Why the fuck did they race swap me?
	I would be a handsome Latino man.
	What the fuck is that?
	Why am I so frail?
	Yeah, I could beat his ass right now.
	Kick your own ass right now.
	I just might.
	I'm hystogged.
	How dare they?
	He's sick.
	Fuck this guy.
	Get him off the screen.
	Zero.
	Stop looking.
	Thank God I don't have a brother because he would be fucking cooked.
	What if he was a billionaire?
	I don't want that.
	I don't care.
	I'm not money-driven.
	What if he had a huge dot?
	I don't give up.
	His face card is on important.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	Next.
	That's crazy.
	Wow.
	See, like, what is that?
	Her eyes aren't even even.
	Yeah.
	What's going on?
	They gave me ears.
	That's your dream.
	You have huge ears.
	I like picture this without the deformation.
	I think he's cute.
	I like, yeah, I see the potential.
	You have good eye space.
	You have nice hair for sure.
	Yeah.
	He needs to send in his resume.
	Good facial harmony.
	I definitely see the potential.
	Facial harmony.
	Fix the eyes a little bit.
	I think.
	I'm so pissed.
	What was wrong with my body?
	Disregarding his ears.
	I like maybe like an eight.
	Yes, I would.
	Would you date him?
	Yes.
	Right.
	I'm scared to see mine.
	Next.
	Actually, wait.
	I don't want my kind of tea.
	They see brown skin and they just make everyone Indian.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Would you rate him?
	I'd rate him like.
	You're a 10, by the way, just from reminder.
	I would rate him like a six.
	Okay, well, no, I'm looking at it from the second photo and the third photo.
	I look good as fuck in the third photo.
	Okay.
	Would you date him?
	Would I date him?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Not hot enough.
	Next.
	Oh, that's horrifying.
	That's oh my gosh.
	That's horrifying.
	He looks like a rapper.
	Your hairline, babe.
	What's going on?
	We need to get you the KSI surgery real quick.
	You look like you're gone off the lean.
	Yeah.
	Or something.
	Or whatever it is, the rapper's drink.
	I'm dead.
	That's horrifying.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, well.
	Maybe with a new haircut.
	Oh, God.
	Would you date him?
	No?
	Rate him?
	Two.
	Would you rate the guy for you?
	And I'm like one.
	What the hell is that?
	All right.
	Next.
	No, open on date.
	Ooh.
	He was kind of cute.
	It's been worse.
	I like it third.
	Like, this is not that bad.
	He's not so bad.
	But you're right, it has been worse.
	He looks like a nice guy.
	But no.
	What do you rate him, Felicity?
	That's you as a dude.
	Well, I rate myself as six, so he's like a five.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh, next.
	Of course.
	You're pretty.
	Thank you.
	You look like a psychologist.
	Yeah.
	What do you do?
	Like, you definitely wrote a book.
	I could see that.
	I can see you at a seminar.
	For sure.
	Yeah, you're definitely like a speaker.
	So I would, I prefer the girl on the bottom.
	Would you date yourself?
	Yeah, I would.
	I prefer the girl on the bottom.
	I would date myself.
	And how do you rate yourself?
	Oh.
	She's like, she the top girl five, bottom girl, six.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So we're consistent.
	Yep, for show.
	Is there any more?
	Is that it?
	No, that's it.
	Rock and roll.
	Guys, if you want $100, you know what?
	Should we?
	Maybe we'll do $69 TTS.
	I'm going to lower the TTS really quick.
	While I'm doing that, it's just going to take me a minute.
	Anybody here have any topics they want to talk about?
	If anybody wants to propose a topic or a thing or something?
	We have what?
	We're going to skip that today.
	Yeah.
	None that I can think of right now.
	Going once.
	What you got?
	Here, let me just pull up something then.
	Hold on.
	Here, we'll do this.
	No, I'll wait for that.
	Red flags.
	Oh, here.
	Hold on.
	There's a chat from earlier.
	Boom.
	Easy.
	Glocktavius denoted it.
	Ladies, would you date Brian?
	On one hand, he is tall, six foot one, blue eyes.
	Rich, sometimes funny, successful, but he has a dead bod, probably autistic, weird liking for big labyrinth.
	That is average.
	Okay, relax.
	Chill out.
	Chill out.
	All right, going around the table.
	I won't be offended.
	Won't be offended at all.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	Okay, no, no, rip.
	Damn, what the fuck?
	Just be frozen out of the age range, out of the age range.
	No, my maturity level is that of a 25-year-old.
	Well, that's great, but I don't want you to be in the grave too early.
	I mean, in the grave, I'm gonna live.
	Have you seen how healthy I am?
	This is the peak male.
	You're probably right.
	I'm gonna live till 107.
	Good for you.
	107.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Oh, I said no.
	Damn, what the fuck?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	There we go.
	Bell.
	Okay.
	Hey, one for eight or something.
	One for seven.
	W's in the chat.
	It's not bad.
	It only takes one.
	Even if she's engaged and currently pregnant, I can see a little bit of a pity.
	I couldn't.
	Don't get too real.
	I would go on a date with you, but I wouldn't date you.
	She would go on a date, but she wouldn't date me.
	Why is that?
	Oh, she.
	Why is that?
	I'm just going to.
	Oh, no, no.
	I was mocking.
	Oh, I see.
	I see how it is.
	Guys, we're lowering the TTS to $69.
	$69 TTS.
	Get them in while you can.
	I want to get it in.
	I don't know if we're just because we are a little bit behind, guys.
	I don't know if we're going to have time for the roast.
	So the $69 TTS might just have to be the roast.
	Are they going to roast us?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Bring it on.
	Yeah, we can do Twitch really quick.
	Guys, if you want, get a follow us on Twitch.
	Drop us a Prime sub if you have one.
	It's been 29 minutes since we last had the Prime sub.
	I'd really appreciate it.
	I think the Prime subs are bugged.
	If you guys can just do a little Twitch Prime in the chat to see if you can show us a little bit of love in the chat, you know, just support us, support us, drop us a follow.
	And yeah, boys, drop us a follow and a Prime sub in the chat.
	You won't know how to proceed in life if you don't follow us.
	And check if you have a Prime sub, boys.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
	Oh my God, the chat is on fire.
	You're yo, Bear.
	Thank for the Prime.
	Damn, bro, that was like a million sorries.
	What the fuck?
	Krogue Saman, thank you for the tier one, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, dude.
	And oh, we have Lululu.
	Thank you.
	Lululu donated $69.
	The girl version of you is hot.
	I would thank you for that.
	I would date the girl version of you.
	Yeah.
	Appreciate it.
	I would definitely think about it.
	Because you guys are bi, right?
	Would y'all date the female version of me?
	Honestly, you're just even the female version of me?
	What's your type?
	I like the eyes.
	I like a darker-skinned woman and a little more attracted to, to be honest, like more masculine presenting woman.
	And I don't mean like girls who look like boys.
	I like three girls in boys' clothes, basically.
	Damn, bro.
	I'm shit.
	Okay.
	Josh Brooks donated $69.
	Pick one over six foot.
	Best body type.
	Favorable income.
	Huge pee-pee treats you like trash.
	Horrible worldview.
	Under five and a half feet tall.
	Clumpy bod.
	Works McDonald's.
	Small PP, but treats you perfectly happy.
	I'll be honest, it would not be possible for me to be happy in the second scenario, even though I understand what you are, you know, kind of leveraging right now.
	But I couldn't do it.
	I would have to pick the first one and just have like a side thing.
	And that's just me being happy.
	Sure.
	Hey, the honesty is appreciated.
	Going around the table, did you pick guy number one or guy number two?
	Guy number one for the same reason she said.
	Okay.
	Guy number one.
	I might like his worldview.
	We might have to talk, but one.
	Number one.
	One.
	I couldn't be treated terribly, so number two.
	That's how you're the life over here.
	Number one, okay.
	Felicity.
	Someone you get.
	You have to pick.
	Well, the second one is really short and works at McDonald's.
	But you have to pick.
	Wait, the first guy, did they say he was rich?
	Yeah.
	Josh Brooks.
	Can you cheat?
	If he was treating you terribly, then that wouldn't even matter.
	He wouldn't be giving you any of his money.
	He could always disappear.
	It's a tough one.
	Pick one, Felicity.
	Just number one and break up with him soon.
	No, these are your only choices forever.
	Just cheat on die.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I'd rather be single.
	Real.
	And talk like that.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I don't know, man.
	Josh Brooks, is cat an option?
	Go ahead, though.
	Which of the two?
	Yeah, I don't put up with being treated terribly, so probably I have a question that's sort of similar to this.
	Thank you, Josh Brooks, for your question.
	Would you rather be the king's mistress or the peasant's wife?
	I don't think I understand the implications of that.
	So the implication would be it's sort of similar, I guess.
	Although in this scenario, both of them could treat you well.
	Okay.
	But you're the mistress to the king.
	So that means you're side piece.
	Right.
	You're not the wife.
	Right.
	You, you know, whatever, whatever that means for you.
	You probably garner some sort of benefits of dealing with the king.
	He's the fucking king.
	The peasant, you're with the peasant.
	Okay.
	But you're happy with them, presumably.
	Well, you could be happy as the mistress to the king.
	Right.
	There's not necessarily, it's not like he's beating you or something.
	Right.
	That's not baked into it.
	But you aren't getting perhaps the level of commitment that you might otherwise want.
	Okay.
	Which would be like, he's just seeing you.
	Like, he's got the queen, right?
	Right, right, right.
	You're the mistress.
	He's just kicking it with you and fucking.
	Right.
	And you get gifts and he buys your shit and you've got maybe you get maybe you have a bastard child and your bastard child's a prince.
	No, it wouldn't be prince.
	It would be like a savior.
	A Viscount.
	Does he get royal clowns?
	Could you be a Viscount or a Royal Cloud?
	Could you be a Duke if you're a bastard child?
	You could be.
	I think so.
	You could be a Duke.
	Have you ever seen Rain?
	I don't know.
	Orleans.
	You watched the Tudors, right?
	It's been a while since I've seen The Tudors.
	He had a bastard child.
	It's several.
	Wait, what was his, what was it?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	King Henry's.
	Nick, can you Wikipedia this?
	Bastard child.
	Henry Fitzroy.
	I swear to you.
	Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset.
	Okay.
	So you could, your bastard child could become a duke one day.
	That's pretty cool.
	That's dope.
	You want to see him?
	Yes, pull up Henry Fitzroy, please.
	Was the mistress Elizabeth, the only child born out of wedlock whom Henry acknowledged?
	Scroll down.
	Wow, look at this fucking Giga Chad.
	Look at that inbreeding fucking, wait, scroll down.
	Just kidding.
	Just scroll down, scroll down.
	Essex.
	Wow.
	Look at that.
	You get a fucking emblem, a crest or whatever that looks like.
	Anyways, whatever.
	I think he died in childhood.
	He was something like that.
	No, he liked it.
	It was his other son that was a kid.
	No, he did pull it back up.
	Yeah, as a kid.
	Scroll up.
	How long did this guy live?
	Like 40 years, I thought.
	Oh, he's age 17.
	Wow.
	He died pretty young.
	That's pretty much unfortunate.
	Hey, it was the 1500s.
	Sorry, I think that was good for his year.
	Anyways, wait, who?
	We can start at the beginning.
	Oh, okay.
	Would you rather be the king's mistress or the peasant's wife?
	Peasant's wife.
	King's mistress.
	I'm not trying to virtue signal when I say peasant's wife, but if I was the mistress, I'd always feel a fear of the queen trying to kill me.
	Sometimes she thought she was a kid.
	What about you?
	I'd be the king's mistress.
	Felicity.
	Peasant's wife.
	Yeah, definitely peasant's wife.
	I should probably have people just raise their hands all at the same time instead, because I feel like if one person this way.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Cool.
	Let's see.
	Oh, let's get into some of the.
	We're going to blast through the pre-show.
	No, let's blast through the questionnaire.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Ooh.
	I said $400K.
	Like right, right, literally right now at this stage of life, or like ideally when we're at our peak.
	I thought, didn't you, weren't you saying something like you don't care about?
	I know how much I make.
	So you didn't, did she say that she doesn't care about the money?
	She definitely cares about the money.
	You said you want a guy to make 400K, bruv.
	That's like 1%er, almost 1%er.
	In LA?
	No.
	No, well.
	Leave LA.
	Maybe it's a bit different in LA.
	It is very different in LA.
	Okay.
	I don't know the breakdown in LA.
	Maybe there's a bit higher concentration of hiringers in LA.
	But for the United States, so 1% is over 500,000.
	That's the 1%.
	Okay.
	So, okay, fine.
	It's 2% in LA.
	That's still, that's 2%.
	Are you a 2% girl?
	Probably.
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	What makes you a 2% girl?
	I make more than the average woman.
	Men don't care about your money, though.
	So what about you makes you a 2% girl?
	I'm saying like why would I Commit to a man that makes less than me Because the economic Well if you're saying Like I can satisfy myself Like, I can fulfill my own needs.
	I don't need the money.
	If you don't need the money, why do you need a guy who makes $400,000 a year?
	Because I want someone to make as much or more than me.
	To what end?
	Like, why?
	You don't want kids, so there's not going to be like massive expenses.
	What lifestyle?
	I live a luxury lifestyle.
	You live a luxury lifestyle.
	Yes.
	What does that say?
	You want what?
	You already live it, though.
	So.
	I want to continue living it.
	Okay.
	So money does matter quite substantially to the point that you're going to reject, say, 98% of men on this basis alone.
	I already do that, yeah.
	Okay.
	I want a house.
	Literally.
	To have a house in LA, you need a lot of money.
	You don't need $400,000 a year.
	You need a million dollars to buy a condo.
	Yeah, I know.
	The housing prices are.
	So, I mean, yes, you do need a lot of money in LA.
	No, but you don't need $400,000 a year.
	I want to live in California, LA, the rest of my life.
	You don't need $400,000 a year.
	Because this is my happy place.
	I am happy.
	Happy place.
	You don't need to be able to do that.
	What about all the homeless people in LA?
	I lived LA.
	It's comparable.
	I lived in Jersey.
	I lived in Pennsylvania.
	I lived in U.S. places suck.
	Jersey is literally the armpit of the U.S. They're all full of culture, though.
	Like, LA is full of culture.
	Yes, we have a giant homeless and fentanyl problem, but sorry.
	I got too comfortable.
	Okay, you want $400,000 a year.
	You want a guy to make $400,000 a year.
	Maybe lower your expectations a little.
	Just a teeny bit.
	Could you do $300,000?
	Just a tip?
	Yeah.
	$200,000.
	In this economy, no?
	In this economy.
	I can't take a guy who makes $200,000 a year.
	Like, you can't buy a house with that.
	That's the peasant's wife there.
	But aren't you going to...
	Just rent.
	Why do I want, like, I don't want to rent the rest of my life.
	I want to own a house.
	I want to own a place of my own.
	Well, if you're making $400,000 a year, you boss babe in the duck.
	Yes, exactly.
	How much do you make currently?
	I don't want to share.
	I make a lot, but I don't want to share.
	You make a lot, but you just.
	I do.
	You have housemates?
	I do have housemates.
	You said your rent was $1,100.
	Exactly.
	But that doesn't mean I don't spend $20,000 a month.
	Is that how much she spends a month?
	Sometimes more.
	I have enough to spend how I want it.
	I can swipe my card anywhere I want and get whatever I want at any time.
	And it's not going to decline.
	Ariana Grande song?
	I want to spend it.
	I want it.
	I want it.
	How's it going?
	I like it.
	I want it.
	I got it.
	Oh, you got an Arianator.
	It's actually pretty good.
	I'm like, wait.
	SHUT YOUR FUCKING W- HAHAHAHAHAHA I could've hit- I could've hit you with a SHUT THE FUCK UP Just kidding.
	Love you, Mary.
	Oh, thanks.
	Shit.
	Okay, but so what do you just curious?
	What do you spend?
	Like $20,000 a month?
	What are you buying?
	She knows.
	I spend money like a rapper.
	And I've been told that by multiple people.
	No.
	But I spend money like a rapper does.
	Are you investing at all?
	Yes.
	Get some Bitcoin or something.
	I don't know.
	My dad was very into stocks.
	Index funds?
	No.
	He was very into stocks, but anyways, all right.
	I'm not going to have this fucking stocks conversation.
	Devon Jackson donated $69.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, shit.
	She wants $400K, but doesn't even have the decency to have bigger tits or a better body.
	Wow.
	Humble yourself, lady.
	You are already dead.
	What?
	That was rude.
	That was crazy.
	Never said I wouldn't buy bigger tits.
	She has talked about it.
	Oh, if you wanted to, you would.
	BTFO, Dave Vaughn.
	That's all we talk about.
	Yeah, we had this conversation yesterday about getting a boob job.
	Yeah, but you're not going to like it.
	I'm not going to do it, actually.
	Snowballs, you won't.
	I probably won't.
	L. L.
	No fake titties.
	No fake titties.
	Because then I can't lay on my stomach.
	Is that a thing?
	Fake boobs.
	You can't lay on your children.
	It will hurt.
	Is it going to pop?
	I don't know, but I also dance.
	Are you a stomach sleeper?
	Yeah, I am.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, you can't get fake titties now.
	Yeah, no.
	But I also, like, because I dance, I don't want that.
	Will they be cheap if you lay on your shoulder?
	Raise a family.
	I don't think this is a place I want to raise kids.
	Definitely, Philly.
	It's definitely.
	I'd want to be out of state, but where would I go?
	And then it would be less even out of state to survive and to stretch everything.
	Right.
	Depends where I'd want to go.
	I don't know where I'd want to go yet because the Midwest is nice.
	I'm just saying.
	How many cookies are you?
	No, I've always lived in LA.
	Yeah, okay.
	But now there's a big world out there.
	I know.
	I'm going to interrupt each other.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't really have an answer because I don't really care.
	So you'd be okay if a guy made like $20,000 a year?
	I mean my ex-boyfriend, well he's a piece of shit now, but like I mean I hey I was with him for a year like and he did not work so I mean it doesn't mean that you have to like I mean like I'm not really thinking honestly about marriage right now because I'm so young I'm trying to figure myself out.
	I'm not really thinking about that so that's just me personally.
	Still keep it in the view because 10 years gets behind you really really freaking fast.
	So I mean like you're you're young now you're what 22 you said?
	Yeah.
	So I mean in 10 years it's 32.
	Like I started a little early having kids but I had my second son when I was 30 and I mean like I really wish that I could have more kids.
	It would be nice to have more kids especially like knowing what I know now about like how far we've come.
	I mean like we were we were dirt or broke.
	Dirt broke.
	Do you want children?
	I mean I'm not really thinking about it.
	I have a brother so like I used to watch him.
	I mean I mean I would love to have kids but like it's again it's not the thing that's on my head.
	So you do want children in the future?
	Yeah but I don't even know when if that happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't but I'm not looking at oh having in a couple years.
	You want to get married?
	I mean I wouldn't mind getting married but like I said I'm not looking at that right now.
	Like it's not right.
	But in general I'm not I'm not thinking about it to be honest.
	Okay so say you have kids do you want to stay at home and raise them or do you want to split it with your partner and go to work?
	He takes care of some of them if we're together like if we're if we're married and we have kids together.
	Yeah.
	I think that yeah I think both of us should take care of the kid.
	So you would work as well?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you don't know how much you'd want him to make?
	No, I don't really even if you like split it.
	Well not right now just like in the future doesn't like not I'm not asking about right now.
	Well I don't I don't know like I don't I don't I don't really want to answer it.
	I don't know why that's a problem.
	It's not a problem.
	We're just asking yeah and I'm saying I don't really want to answer it because I don't care anyways so what about you?
	I think it's ideally right like down the line yeah I mean just whatever you want your husband make ideally the minimum honestly ideally I would say probably 200,000 because I also I enjoy living the lifestyle that I live.
	I like designer.
	I like going on nice vacations at nice hotels.
	I like driving nice cars and I do plan on having a family one day and I would love to build generational wealth to make sure that my kids are set for life and their kids are set.
	And yeah, I think to be honest, just with the friends that I have, I think that that is definitely possible.
	And that's like honestly on the lower end of people that I would like to have a romantic relationship with.
	And that doesn't mean, you know, I'm trying to use them for their money.
	It's just part of my standard of living and lifestyle.
	And I think that there's someone out there who will help me achieve that because, you know, I make my money too.
	So.
	You live in Los Angeles, right?
	I do.
	Yeah.
	I'm currently a student at USC.
	200,000 isn't low, but I understand because of your location, you want children and such.
	It kind of makes sense.
	I mean, how many kids do you want?
	I would like three eventually, though.
	Not for at least, ideally, if everything goes to plan, at least like 10 to 12 years.
	Like in my 30s, I think that would be great for me because I want to live my life for myself right now and with my partner when I meet them.
	And then I want to hopefully be able to step into the role of more of a full-time caretaker when I do have kids.
	So you want to like Want to kind of take some time away from work and be supportive?
	That would be ideal, yeah, because partner like you've mentioned before, you just don't get that time back, and family is a big value of mine.
	Yeah, I would like to do that ideally, but it's all about what your reality is, and financials are a huge part of it.
	I mean, for what you want, you want to live comfortably, you want three children, and the location, it's not, I don't think that's anything crazy.
	I think it's not low at all.
	I think it's pretty high, but for what you want, yeah.
	What about you, Ellie?
	Um, I obviously don't have like too much experience financially, so I'm trying to envision myself in the future and like with a partner.
	So in California, it's very expensive where I live right now in my city, San Diego.
	I'm like 80K, but that's because like my partner, I'm looking for ambition and potential, like potential for earning.
	And like, I don't know, maybe I could find out I'm infertile and I can't even have kids, and it's not in the cards for me.
	So if I'm really in love, like I don't think it really matters too much, my income, but just enough to support you.
	Yeah.
	How many kids do you want?
	Like three minimum.
	Really?
	What's your maximum?
	Five?
	Like, not too many.
	Okay.
	Five kids.
	They're expensive.
	They're very expensive.
	That's why like five kids, you guys are good.
	No, that's like that 80K was like, if it was me and him, I think having somebody that completely like supports you financially is like rare and not rare, but you know, very lucky to have.
	So I would be very thankful to have somebody that's willing to share that with me.
	And in Southern California.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think the median for California is somewhere like 40 or 60 grand.
	So 80 is, yeah, 80 is fine.
	What about you?
	I would say like minimum 100,000.
	Where do you live?
	I live in LA.
	And I just like, I do also see myself here as like a forever place.
	I do want kids.
	I do like, I do like, I'm a shopping person.
	So I love to shop.
	I love to like go do things and travel.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How many kids do you want?
	I want at least two.
	Okay.
	And you're going to stay in LA.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, I don't really see anything wrong with $100,000 for the area.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	$100,000 as well.
	I think, especially since I'll be making over $100,000, I think it's only fair, kind of like what you're saying.
	I want you to match how much I'm making just because, I don't know, be nice.
	And plus, I want to have more than two kids.
	That's kind of hard to do in Orange County.
	Yeah.
	Wait, how many kids do you want?
	I would say minimum two, maximum three.
	Okay.
	Honestly, me too.
	Yeah.
	I'm an only child, and I feel like every only child would never have an only child.
	Right.
	I wouldn't.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Maybe three for me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it's fair.
	That is fair.
	What about you?
	I don't remember what I put on my paper, actually.
	She's been put up.
	100,000.
	Didn't that mean?
	No, it's not mine.
	That's not you?
	No.
	That's weird.
	Is that you?
	I was originally sitting over there.
	What chair?
	Oh, gosh.
	Three, four?
	Four.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You didn't even answer that.
	I did not even answer.
	I don't know.
	Realistically, I live in the Midwest, so it's not like it's a super high cost of living.
	I would say probably like 80, 90 would be nice.
	You live in Kentucky, Kansas?
	Kansas.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I mean, I don't know anything about the movie.
	Definitely a lower cost of living.
	I'm from Maryland.
	God, I think, like, in order to live comfortably in my hometown, I definitely, definitely need to be making over 100K.
	Especially like if I were to stick in the neighborhood where I was born and raised, yeah, probably like 100, 150.
	Yeah, okay.
	I don't know anything about those locations.
	Bigger cities.
	Usually, bigger cities require like more cost of living expenses and stuff like that.
	Whereas out in like the rural areas, you can find a decent house for like $300, you know, $400,000 even.
	Even like on the upper end of Lake Lawrence, you could find a really nice house for like $400,000.
	So, where is this again?
	Kansas.
	Kansas.
	Northeast Kansas.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So like not Topeka, like a little bit further east of Topeka.
	So like right outside Kansas City.
	So Kansas City is like, there's half in Missouri and then half in Kansas.
	And that's kind of like the huge city in like in the city, you'd probably need more, but all right.
	Besides her, was there anybody who desired a pretty high income or not really?
	I think I was the highest.
	I said 200.
	I said 100K.
	That's right.
	I didn't care.
	Yeah.
	She wouldn't answer.
	Come on.
	There's some number, right?
	Well, I'm these are out of order.
	Who's Paulina?
	It's like it's the same thing as long as we can both support ourselves.
	Like, I mean, I don't really see an issue with whatever you make.
	Jamie, right?
	You're Jimmy.
	Okay.
	And it's like having kids, it's like, it's not like after maybe the first or second one, it could be like kind of pricey.
	But I mean, like, you don't need to buy like new shit every time you have a kid.
	You said 100K?
	Yeah.
	200.
	200.
	80.
	100.
	100.
	Damn, y'all.
	80, 90.
	I think I'm comfortable where we're at.
	Related to the looks thing, related to this conversation right now about income.
	Why don't average women want average men?
	Well, let me just say that going to the school that I go to, the connections that I've had, the places I've worked, I foresee that I will be making an income close to, if not more, than what I am looking for in a romantic partner.
	So it's just my standard of living.
	And obviously we'll see what happens.
	But based on the lifestyle that I lead and have lived, I just, I like buying nice things.
	I like going on nice trips.
	And it's just part of my standard of living and the lifestyle that I would like to live.
	There's something wrong with that.
	Well, I guess the issue is, is what proportion of men meet your criteria?
	So if you're looking at, you know, 200K, whatever percentage is that, and then it's like, okay, do they meet all your other criteria too?
	Are they good looking?
	Are they XYZ?
	Their personality is good.
	Their height, they're single, they're loyal, all these other things.
	You start boiling down to a really, really small percentage of men.
	Most women, you know, even removing income entirely from the conversation, women are incredibly picky to begin with.
	So it's like you're just adding on another layer of like you're just continuing to chisel down the potential dating pool.
	I'm just saying, man, a lot of average women don't want average men.
	And that includes average income.
	I'm not going to lie.
	We got a table full of average women.
	Speak for yourself.
	I think I'm an average guy.
	We've got a table full of average women, but your desires are for above average men.
	Well, that's financially speaking.
	Yeah, we didn't start.
	I'm thinking more practical with the cost of living in L.A. and raising a family with three kids.
	It's not even I'm undervaluing them in a way or trying to ask for too much.
	I'm tending to kids.
	It's a lot to raise a family in L.A.
	Now, if I was in out of state, it would be different because your money goes a lot further out of state.
	So it's more practical with the times that have changed and the cost of living that's changed.
	That's it.
	Also, I don't think a single one of us here said something that we're not willing to bring to the table either.
	Like all of us would be happy to make that much money.
	Right, but as well.
	Men don't really care about the money that you bring to the table.
	So I get that you're bringing that thing, but it doesn't make you more attractive.
	And oftentimes, your career, your money, your success, all this stuff, it's usually never a plus for the guy.
	Oftentimes, being a boss babe comes with a bunch of fucking issues.
	It's a pain in the ass to make plans with you.
	You're constantly busy.
	You're fucking tired from work.
	You're stressed out from work.
	You're masculinized because of your work.
	I disagree with that.
	I think.
	Bro, nurse, you're healthcare.
	You're going to be a PA.
	Yeah.
	Nurses, like that's within the healthcare purview.
	Bro, nurses become like, I don't even, don't get me started with fucking nurses.
	I'm not a nurse.
	No, let's get them started.
	I know, but you're in, like, you're in healthcare, right?
	I don't know if you're going to be working emergency medicine.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah, you're going to be fucking stressed.
	Emergency medicine is super crazy.
	I mean, it's good.
	It's, it's, we need people to do that kind of work, but you're, it's stressful work.
	It is.
	You're going to bring that home to your relationship.
	But that's why men don't want a boss babe.
	But I'm not, I wouldn't class myself, classify myself as a boss babe.
	I'm doing this because this is what we need to do to have a comfortable life in California.
	If I could not work, I would be completely fine with that.
	But unfortunately, like I have these goals and we want to do certain things.
	So that's kind of what you have to do, you know, kind of just make the sacrifice.
	No, I get that there's an economic and financial reality that especially in a place, high cost of living area like California, you're probably going to need two incomes.
	I'm just saying that it is a reality, but the manifestation of that reality, the reality of the reality, does that even fucking make sense?
	The real real.
	Men don't want, like, that's not the ideal for men.
	We don't want no boss babe.
	We don't want it.
	You wouldn't be okay with like knowing that your woman could be taking off some of the stress for you financially at some point.
	I feel like that a lot of the stress is a lot of the stress on men is to provide financially.
	And I think if your partner brings 50-50 or something to the table, I think that lowers the pressure on them.
	I agree with you that it can.
	It depends on what dynamic or perspective we're looking at it from.
	In your case, you said you're engaged.
	You're going to get married.
	Yeah, sure.
	You're going to lessen the financial burden on him.
	I mean, I can speak from me specifically.
	I know not all men are going to fall into this.
	Like, the girl that I'm with, I'm taking care of everything.
	Like, she doesn't have to work, right?
	I know not all men are going to be able, because of the economic reality, to do something like that.
	I understand the woman's going to have to work.
	That's just how it is.
	That's one of the manifestations of feminism.
	But look, in terms of it making men more attracted to women, I guess I would also say, at least very early on in relationships, absent marriage, absent you guys sharing expenses.
	Most women don't share their resources with men in that kind of way.
	She's a high earner.
	She says she spent $20,000, $30,000 a month.
	Despite her being a high earner, she doesn't pay for dates.
	She offers.
	She doesn't want to pay for dates.
	She wants the guy to pay for dates.
	So it's funny, even when women do make money, the reason we don't care about y'all money, even if you do make it, you don't share your resources with us the same way we share our resources with you.
	I think that's just her situation, though.
	Most women who make money.
	Women, I guess I'll give women credit to some.
	Men are simps out here.
	Men are getting finessed and just women are smart with their money.
	You will keep your money to yourself.
	And you could be, there's a famous, like, or not famous, a viral TikTok of this young guy who's dating this girl.
	And he was like, yeah, I pay for everything.
	I pay for dates.
	And some interviewer asked them, how much do you have in your savings account?
	And she's like, oh, I have $70,000 in my savings account.
	And he was like, I have like 500 bucks.
	Oh, I hear myself.
	And he's still paying for everything.
	So even when y'all have money, you don't share your resources with us in that same way.
	And if you do, you begrudgingly do it.
	And then you start growing contempt and resentment for the man who you're having to provide resources to.
	So men and women move very, very differently.
	I don't know why that is, though.
	What are you doing?
	It doesn't come natural to y'all.
	You're not built to be providers.
	You're built to provide profit.
	Oh, you're turned on.
	You should have to pay for a dude.
	Oh, my God.
	You don't think that's societal, though?
	You think that was truly just innate born in us?
	I feel like that was just what society is.
	Yeah, it's society too.
	Yeah, sure.
	It's society too.
	But I don't think women, like it probably goes down to men went out and hunted.
	Right.
	It's providing the berries and the menu.
	There's some evolutionary psychology component to it.
	Totally.
	But I don't know.
	I don't see a bunch of women are making a bunch of money.
	They're doing good.
	Most women in major cities, they're earning just as much as men, if not more.
	I don't see these women dying to take out men.
	Because we don't need men.
	We want men.
	I don't.
	How does that compute with what I just said?
	Like, there's a difference.
	A guy needs a girl to come home to to do his laundry.
	But you don't make it.
	Y'all don't.
	Y'all don't do it.
	But that's what you want.
	You want that in a woman.
	I don't want anything from a man.
	I'm self-sufficient on my own.
	I just want a man.
	For what, though?
	Wait, hold on.
	What?
	For how long?
	For like your whole life?
	What did Kevin Samuel say?
	Men built the world around you.
	And there's a lack of appreciation for that.
	If you really put your money where your mouth is, just get rid of everything they built.
	Your car, your home, all of your luxuries.
	I think to be charitable, when she says women don't need men, she's not saying as a collective.
	She's saying individualistically.
	More individualistic.
	But women do definitely need men on a societal level.
	Beyond.
	Yeah.
	But women are even sort of ignorant to that nowadays because men have made society so comfortable and so protected.
	They've created the beast.
	Well, here to do a very rudimentary explanation of this.
	So like, let's say you lived in a small tribe and there's the wilderness on the outside and there's animals, there's other tribes.
	That's all very in your face.
	And then just like the harsh reality of like, where are we going to get our next water from?
	Where are we going to get our next food from?
	Really just like base level survival, harsh reality.
	Men have created society and created a system that has basically streamlined all of that through industry, through civilization building.
	And women are just like move through society, not realizing that society was created and functions due to men's genius, ingenuity, and continuity of labor.
	So even though we have this existing infrastructure, if all men disappear, y'all fucked.
	Like within 72 hours, the electrical grid gone, internet gone, fires start breaking out.
	90%, 90%, or I don't know the exact percentage, majority firefighters are men.
	What's the other thing?
	I mean, all these critical industries, you remove men for 72 hours?
	Devastating to the system.
	Honestly, here's my view.
	If all men disappeared and women didn't have time to even prep for it, even if they prepped for it, I'm not sure how that would go.
	But if men just disappeared without any pre-planning, 50% of women would be dead within two weeks.
	You understand that those systems were set up by men, though?
	Good.
	That's a good thing.
	That's a good thing.
	It's a good thing.
	That's what they're capable of.
	If women were running society, we would still be living in grass huts.
	Yeah.
	That's not a bad thing.
	Because, and you might think that that's a crazy thing to say, but the cascading necessity of physical strength to have been able to build certain machinery that now, like, for example, well, a woman can handle, you know, this machine, I don't know, a bulldozer, I guess.
	But the industry and what led up to those sorts of things was just brute strength.
	And this is like really pulled back analysis here.
	But women don't have the same physical strength as men.
	Yeah.
	And thus they would not have been able to invent certain things or have the requisite strength to have enabled the industrial revolution.
	Well, I totally agree with where you're coming from from a physical labor standpoint.
	I think that we would not be where we are without men, but I think that until very recently, women did not have the intellectual opportunities to contribute in ways that maybe they would have been.
	What?
	Why are you grimacing at that?
	Because it's completely like it's false.
	When did women scientists join NASA?
	Much later than men.
	You know what I mean?
	I mean, that's NASA.
	That's NASA.
	They're not like the intellectual point of this argument, though.
	That's an intellectual asset that women did not have the opportunity to join.
	They're not contributing.
	And if they get an education, they end up on OnlyFans.
	That's such a crazy generalization.
	No, it's a reality.
	That's a generalization, though.
	No, it's a good generalization.
	It's a reality.
	You have to say that it's not a good generalization.
	Somebody in the chat said Leroy McCoy, good point.
	Most industrial innovations are labor multipliers, labor that was previously done by men.
	So it's kind of like, I know there must be a specific term for this.
	I don't know if it's gatekeeping, but there's basically like a threshold that needs to be passed before you can reach the next point.
	And if the threshold to get to that next level of civilization is a base level of physical strength, women just wouldn't have had the base level of physical strength to even do it.
	And then you can get into other conversations like, I agree with that.
	Like that there's, well, I'm not going to go into the greater male variability stuff as it relates to intellect, but that's another conversation.
	Think once that threshold is met, that until very recently, in terms of all of the history, that women could have contributed more to that upper threshold once that base labor was met.
	I suppose, but even the jobs today that society relies on, I'm talking critical infrastructure jobs, these are still predominated almost entirely by men.
	Yeah, and if men were all of a sudden disappeared, you wouldn't be able, like, women wouldn't have the knowledge base or even the physical strength to do some of these jobs.
	They haven't been given the opportunity.
	Yeah, so you don't think now.
	So you don't think it's the case.
	It's not that you don't have an opportunity.
	It's that women don't want to do those jobs.
	Not all women, but I see what you're saying.
	The female brain isn't wired like that.
	The male brain is so different.
	Well, I wouldn't even make it about the brain.
	I'll just keep it to physical strength.
	But here, pull up, Nick, pull up the Discord.
	We'll really quickly go into men at work.
	And while you're doing that, I'm just going to let some of these come through.
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	Base Thor donated $69.
	$69 TTS, get them?
	Thank you, man.
	They put hair on their hair, put eyelashes on their eyelashes, put nails on their nails.
	Women are so fake these days.
	Brian, remove the makeup 304s.
	Yo, thank you, base Thor.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the message.
	Maybe if time permitting, we'll do the makeup segment.
	Toast donated $69.
	I don't understand the money requirements.
	I live in Midwest.
	I just bought a house, five-bed, two-bath.
	I make $45K a year and still have money to save for a family.
	You'll need to make better decisions.
	Okay, toast.
	How much does your partner make in a year?
	I'm thinking he might have not had one.
	I don't know.
	You can make $45,000.
	Chore XD donated $69.
	Zuma women better pray to the god they don't even believe in that artificial wombs don't become a new thing.
	Oh shit.
	I can't see a single reason to be with one absent them being a vessel for reproduction.
	I don't know if I agree with that, but thank you, Cha, for the message.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the message, man.
	Let's see.
	We got Penmaker here coming in.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Penmaker.
	Penmaker donated $69.
	Care 2 is based but only in hindsight.
	Care it's custody story is super sus.
	Care 5 still has a chance to do it right.
	Stay the course.
	The rest of the panel is more cooked than Brian's burritos.
	It's true.
	Now, burrito sounds good.
	He can eat a fat burrito.
	Anyways, we're not going to linger too long on the Discord.
	Oh, the Discord?
	Yeah, okay.
	We'll just do one super quick.
	Men at work?
	Just Windows fine.
	Just play that first one.
	Just mute the audio.
	Yeah, just mute the audio.
	Yeah.
	Just full screen with it really quick.
	I ain't doing that.
	No way.
	Yeah, women ain't doing this.
	Start from the beginning again, really quick.
	That gives you a lot of money.
	Even just watching.
	I agree, though.
	I agree that men are better for labor.
	Exile that.
	I agree.
	Right, but women live in those buildings, but they'll never make them.
	True.
	So let's do click on the manhole worker.
	I've never seen women do this one.
	Go ahead, just play it.
	Oh, is this the welding, the underwater welding?
	Such a dangerous career field.
	Wait, is it going to actually show?
	Oh, he's going into some fucking gnarly.
	Women ain't doing that.
	Exile that.
	It has to be done.
	Somebody's got to do it.
	Exile that.
	You know, firefighters scroll up, scroll up.
	Brickling.
	Talk about it.
	Scroll up.
	Here, we'll just do these.
	The one with the cockroaches.
	Oh, shit.
	Play that one.
	Full screen?
	Oh, no.
	Hell no.
	Real?
	What good about this?
	Yeah, I was just thinking that.
	So the buildings you occupy, somebody has to build the buildings.
	Yeah.
	All those, you know, the air-conditioned office jobs that you guys are working, somebody has to build them.
	Manual labor.
	It's not women.
	Ex-Outfit.
	All right.
	This is the last one.
	Play the full screen it.
	That's a good one.
	Would have thought, man, with testosterone or something.
	Yeah, y'all don't want to do these jobs.
	Somebody got to do them.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I don't need no man.
	Y'all, you see a spider 20 feet away, you guys lose your minds.
	100%, yes, sir.
	I think most of us agree with you.
	I don't know who disagrees.
	We're going to move on, though, really quick.
	I'm going to blast through a couple of these.
	How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date, starting with you?
	I am 5'2, and I believe I said 5'10.
	Yep, what about 10?
	5'9 over 6 feet, I like.
	5'1 and minimum 5'7.
	I have 5'7.
	5'9.
	Okay, Ellie.
	5'7.
	Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
	5'7, 5'5?
	You wrote 410.
	Well, when I was thinking that, I was like...
	She wants a dwarf.
	This is every...
	Every scenario you bring up in those questions, I'm thinking they're perfect, and then they're also, you know, two inches tall.
	And then I'm thinking, okay, well, that makes up for it all.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'5 and I would say 5'4 is like minimum.
	What about you?
	5'8 and minimum is 6'.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'2 and I mean, I'm short, so, but my husband's like 6'2, 6'1.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear on a hike?
	A bear.
	Man.
	A man.
	Man.
	Man.
	Bear.
	Man.
	Definitely a man.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	I know how to escape a bear.
	Yes.
	I went to church camp.
	We learned about how to escape a bear.
	Tell us the steps for escaping a bear.
	Grizzly bear or what?
	You guys have a bear or the plumber.
	Tell us, show us.
	Big and huge.
	Yeah, show us.
	Yeah, but you have to act differently for a different bear.
	And then you have to die.
	You have to die if you get the wrong bears because they can't see diagonal direction.
	So you feel more confident with the bear, basically.
	Yeah, because you don't know what a man's going to do.
	A man could kill me.
	I can't just run away from a man.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And why'd you pick her?
	I just watch a lot of true crime.
	I know a lot of statistics about stuff like that.
	I'm seeing a man in the woods.
	I'm already thinking I'm getting got.
	Just automatically.
	Most men don't commit this crime.
	That's what most men.
	So, you know, if you were betting.
	In the woods.
	Yeah, most.
	If I see a man or bear, I just, I would rather see a bear.
	I would rather see a bear personally, because if I'm seeing a man out there, my first thought is I'm going to get gut.
	Stop the cow.
	I'm not.
	No, I'm so serious.
	You know that you walk by 32 serial killers in your life?
	Like, that shit's scary.
	You run into a bear.
	I didn't know.
	I would rather.
	I would.
	If we're talking about the scenario in the woods, I would rather run into a bear.
	That's just my reasoning.
	You guys, does it come down to this?
	Like, the man could essay you?
	Is that kind of the thing?
	It's just like if I'm in the woods and I see an unknown man, like, obviously, like, that's just weird.
	Like for me, I'd be my guard would be up.
	Not that it wouldn't be up with a bear, but I'm saying there's something I'd rather see.
	I'd rather see a bear.
	How many times have you crossed paths with an unknown male and something happened?
	A lot.
	I'm sure you've gone hiking, walking, and you've crossed paths many times.
	Have you been raped or what?
	None of your business.
	Well, there's a reason why you're avoiding them in the world.
	Well, I don't think that's avoiding them.
	I feel like there's nothing wrong with wanting to not run into a man in the woods.
	But if you can't avoid the bear.
	But I feel like there's nothing wrong with me, like I'm not judging your fact that you chose a man.
	Just saying, like, I chose the bear because I would rather run into a bear than see a strange man in the woods.
	I know.
	Okay.
	Just a couple things on this.
	So my analysis is I think women greatly underestimate the risk profile of an encounter with a random bear and greatly overestimate the risk profile of an encounter with a random man.
	If you guys had to say, though, like what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to either harm you or SA you?
	It's probably a low percentage statistically, but we obviously are products of our own environment and experiences.
	And maybe the women who shared that they would rather run into a bear have had bad experiences with men in the past that make them inclined to have that answer.
	Sure.
	I want to just, we're not going to linger too long on the bear thing, but I do want to propose the following.
	So from your perspective, do you think it's okay for women to have, I guess, this view or hesitancy towards men because of either statistics that might be out there, whether true or false, or their own experiences with men?
	Of course, I think it's a protective measure.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
	I think in an ideal world, that wouldn't exist, but that's just a reality.
	Okay.
	And do you think that the average bear is more or less, or the same, I guess, more or less dangerous than the average man?
	I would probably say more dangerous.
	Men more dangerous or the bear.
	I would rather see a man on a hike than a bear.
	So here's, I guess my issue with it is the rhetoric surrounding the whole picking the bear thing.
	It does seem a little bigoted, a little sexist.
	Okay.
	And here's why.
	If we were to change the hypothetical and we were to change it to, would you rather come across a black person or a bear?
	Okay.
	I think it would be racist to not say that.
	To pick the bear over a black person.
	So then I think it would logically follow that it must be sexist to pick bear over man.
	Why would you think that it's racist to pick a bear over a black person?
	Why would I think it's racist?
	Yeah, why would you think that's racist?
	Unless your reason is race.
	Why would that be racist?
	Like that's like my thought problem.
	You don't think it would be racist?
	Like a white person's like, I would definitely pick a bear over.
	Not initially.
	Not initially unless they said their reason was race.
	Like that wouldn't be my initial thought.
	You're saying that the reason might be gender as opposed to.
	Yeah, the reason might just be I don't want to run into a random person.
	Like you specifying they're black might not necessarily mean that they don't want to run into them.
	Like I don't think unless they say, oh, I want to run into a bear because I don't want to run into a black person because I don't like black people, that's completely different than like, then like I rather run into a bear than a black person.
	I'll use the same standard that you use.
	The standard would be because of negative experiences that I've had or because of statistics that are either true or false, that's the reason for the pick.
	That's the same standard.
	That's the same standard that you use for men.
	Yes, I said.
	I said statistics.
	I never said because of my own experiences.
	Sure.
	I just want to make that clear.
	Realize other racial groups could point to certain statistics and say there's a discrepancy in criminality between the races.
	Yes, and honestly, for me, I feel like that's your prerogative because it's a hypothetical question.
	And if that's your answer, then that's your answer.
	I can't really change it.
	Well, I'm not, I'm not saying it's specifically your answer, but I'm saying that, like, for me, it's like that's your prerogative.
	I may not agree with it, or I may not like it, but there's really nothing I can do about it because it's your opinion.
	Okay.
	And the least I can do is respect it.
	Well, sure, I guess you can accept that it's my opinion, but would you make a determination that my opinion happens to be racist?
	Not unless you gave me other reasons to think that you're racist.
	Well, if it's the case that, in let's say not necessarily me, but a person in the scenario, they're white and they specifically don't choose the black person.
	They choose the bear because they say that, well, I've had one, two, or three negative experiences with a black person because of that, or you know, they cite crime statistics.
	I don't want to encounter a black person because of that.
	I would say that that's racist.
	You really would.
	I agree with.
	I think it's racist.
	Because I don't think, I mean, that is kind of the definition of racism: judging an individual or a group of individuals on the entire or the actions of like a percentage, oftentimes a small percentage of said group.
	Yeah.
	So, for example, the majority of black people are not criminals.
	Right.
	There happens to be some statistics that indicate that when it comes to racial crime statistics, that black people are overrepresented as it relates to certain crimes.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't then say all black people are criminals or I'm scared of black people because of X.
	Yeah.
	I think that would be racist.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	I understand that.
	I think you have something on this.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	So I think I've run into bear on multiple occasions.
	I grew up in Pennsylvania in the woods.
	Like we had bear all the time.
	We had bears at my house.
	We had bears at camp.
	Like I'm not scared of a bear.
	There are tons of different people.
	A bear is just a bear.
	It's an animal.
	Like it will attack you if you threaten it.
	Yeah.
	But a person, you don't know if they have a weapon on them.
	You don't know what type of person they are.
	You don't know if they're a crackhead in the woods.
	You don't know who they are or what type of person they are.
	They could be very unwell.
	They could be a criminal.
	They could be a serial killer.
	You don't know what you're encountering in that situation.
	But with a bear, you know what you're encountering.
	You're in the woods.
	You're in wildlife.
	It's more normal to encounter a bear.
	You would expect a bear.
	You would expect deer.
	You would expect rabbits.
	You would expect fox, a wolf.
	You're on the hike.
	The question is, you're on a hike.
	Men and women go on hikes all the time, so it's not weird to run into a man when you're on a hike.
	It said in the woods.
	No.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear on a hike?
	Okay, what you said was woods, though.
	That's what you've been saying.
	That's what we've been saying.
	Well, from the questionnaire, what's written on the questionnaire is doesn't say woods.
	It could be in the woods on a hike.
	I still think a bear.
	But are you, is this in response to the introducing the racial component to the conversation?
	Yeah, because you don't know who would you rather encounter a bear or a black person?
	A bear in general.
	It doesn't matter who the encounter is.
	I think that's kind of a racist position to hold, but I would way rather run into whether it's a man, whether it's a woman, a black person than the bear.
	Isn't that what you just said?
	Oh, you'd rather never be a person.
	No, she picks the bear.
	Even if it's just black person.
	No, I wish that.
	Even if it could be a black, it might be a black woman, too.
	She still picks the bear.
	I expect a bear in the woods.
	And I've encountered bear and never had an issue encountering a bear in the water.
	How many bears have you encountered?
	I've been counting five in one day.
	Okay, you walk past hundreds of men in a day and nothing happens.
	That is not true.
	In our area, we have so many things happen with men every day in my neighborhood.
	Like, it's not safe.
	Wait, you spend $20,000 a year, but you live in a dangerous neighborhood?
	LA is dangerous.
	There's parts of LA which are relatively safe.
	I worked at Century City Mall and somebody killed themselves.
	Like, it's not safe.
	Hold on.
	Suicide is that wasn't safe for them.
	I don't know.
	It shouldn't impose harmony.
	It doesn't anything else.
	I just don't know why if you're making, like, you say you want a guy who makes $400,000 a year, why would you, like, slum it when you're making that much money?
	Like, why would you live?
	You say you live a luxury lifestyle.
	Why are you living in, you said you live in a dangerous part of LA.
	I guess is all of LA dangerous?
	All of LA is dangerous.
	I see you.
	Really?
	Like, push Palisades is dangerous.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but LA, we're talking about LA.
	I don't know LA neighborhoods.
	But we're talking like actual downtown LA.
	Like, I live in a luxury apartment.
	It's about $3,000 a month.
	But just being in the heart of LA, there's like fentanyl homeless people like two blocks down.
	That's kind of just the reality of that city.
	Okay, but if you're walking down, I get that.
	I will not walk down the street.
	I will not even cross the street in my neighborhood because it's so dangerous.
	Are you comfortable sharing what neighborhood you're in?
	You don't have to.
	We're in mid-city on the border of Culver.
	It's supposed to be a very nice area.
	Is it?
	I don't know.
	It's better than downtown, it's better than...
	Obviously not that nice of an area.
	But that's how it is in LA.
	Like, there's shootings all the time.
	Like, if you are on the Citizen app, you don't know where these things are happening unless you, like...
	Like, gang shootings?
	Like, I don't know your blonde woman doesn't have a FBI in front of her.
	Yeah, we had FBI in front of our place.
	The SWAT team out there.
	Like, I think you're a high priority target for a shoot.
	I mean, it could happen, but I don't know if you're like high priority.
	There's a lot of gang crime in LA.
	Like, there's a lot of people.
	Are you in a gang?
	Is that what it is?
	There's a lot of drive-by shootings in our area.
	Wait, what's the typical, like, what do they say?
	Like, where are you from?
	Is that what they say?
	Is that where you're from?
	Not where are you from?
	Where are you from?
	I don't know.
	What else?
	Where you stay?
	Who you roll with?
	G.
	Okay, white boy.
	Don't have a hurt of white chocolate.
	Gangster.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying.
	I don't know.
	How about this?
	Would you rather leave your baby with a woman or a bear?
	That's such an yeah.
	This is a tough one.
	I'm going to need to take a few.
	A woman.
	Well, because there are statistics that show that women are way more likely to commit infanticide.
	So killing of an infant.
	Than a bear?
	Than the man.
	That's a bear.
	But the statistics show that women are overrepresented in this crime of infanticide.
	Should we leave our babies with oh, so you're saying women kill more of their own children than men?
	Is that the statistic?
	Okay.
	Yeah, they're more likely to kill their infants.
	Intentionally or unintentionally?
	Intentionally.
	There's a lot that goes into that.
	For women, I would postpartum depression.
	Wait, hold on.
	Are we about to like wave away burgers?
	No, absolutely not.
	There's psychological explanations for people's behavior.
	That doesn't mean it's a justification and what they did was right.
	There's just always an explanation.
	You're also saying a random woman or the mother of that child.
	I feel like realistically a random woman.
	Like, I wouldn't be a childhood.
	Waving away in fantasy.
	That's not what was happening.
	I'm like, no, you were animals from a psychological and dialogue perspective.
	Hold on, but if, like, a guy, wait, wait, wait.
	So, I wouldn't do this.
	I wouldn't do this thing where, like, if a guy essayed a woman but he had mental health issues, I wouldn't just be like, Well, he, no, I'd be like, Yeah, he's a piece of shit.
	I don't care what mental health issues he is.
	Yeah, that's not what we were trying to do.
	Obviously, I was just asking for death penalty.
	I completely agree with you.
	It's there's just an explanation, not an excuse.
	There's just explanations for things.
	The show.
	Fashion.
	Fashion.
	I love it.
	Moving on.
	Let's see.
	Anybody, any disagreements?
	Nope, nope, nope, nope.
	Okay.
	We're going to blast through some of the questions on the questionnaire.
	Oh, Nick, thank you for the reminder.
	Just came to mind.
	Nick, deaf.
	Okay, hold on.
	I'll come back to it.
	Okay, let's see.
	Does anybody?
	Oh, you're what are your pronouns?
	She, they.
	Anybody else a they a zur?
	Any zers at the table?
	I had a teacher who's a zur.
	What the fuck are you doing to your ears, Ellie?
	Calm down, bro.
	Oh, okay.
	She was talking.
	She's been talking way too much tonight.
	Oh, just you have the pronouns?
	So are you, are you like non-binary?
	I'm gender fluid.
	You're gender fluid.
	Yes.
	So some days you're a he or just they?
	Some only like my really, really close friends do like he and stuff.
	They, but like, um, outside of that, mostly she, they.
	Sometimes you're he.
	Yeah.
	Only with like really close people.
	What pronouns do you use for her?
	I have just only used she, her.
	And I think if it was a big enough deal, you would have told me to call you by other pronouns.
	I've only called her she, her, though.
	Cool.
	Bitching.
	So some days you're a man and some days you're a woman.
	And some days you're non-binary.
	And you're a they.
	Ellie, how do you feel about this?
	How do I feel about the pronouns?
	What are your thoughts?
	They in specific life.
	Yes, how do you feel about they?
	They you seem like a pretty cool they.
	I don't know too many.
	Sorry, I think them.
	How do you feel about them?
	Oh, we got there.
	They/them.
	I mean, it doesn't obstruct anything in my daily life, so I don't really care that much with a great mentality.
	Because Ellie's not, she's a 4chan frequenter.
	What?
	And she has some very spicy takes on this.
	And I feel like she's not fully.
	What's spicy takes?
	You seem like you know more than I do.
	Are you homophobic?
	Are you homophobic?
	Expose her.
	Are you homophobic?
	No, you keep saying she has hot takes.
	I'm like, what is she about to drop?
	There's no everything is lukewarm here.
	So you guys didn't have a chance to answer the questionnaire, but I'll direct.
	Do you think a man dating a transgender woman is straight?
	I think if the woman, the trans woman, went through gender reassignment surgery and has fully transitioned in terms that they're fully on estrogen and hormones.
	Because honestly, you cannot tell for a good handful of trans women, then I would say yes.
	I can tell.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Are you?
	Wait, you are?
	No.
	You saw me painted.
	See, you don't know.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	That's just my, I believe that if the woman fully transitioned, then they're straight.
	But I don't know.
	I, again, I am very open-minded when it comes to sexuality, gender life in general.
	So I don't know.
	Nobody's hurting me.
	I respect everybody.
	What if they haven't had the gender reassignment surgery?
	So just the bottom surgery?
	Would that be straight?
	If they have had bottom surgery, they have not.
	Have not.
	They're a woman, right?
	I think that gender and sex are two different things.
	I think sex is related to your genitalia and your hormones, such as estrogen or testosterone, but gender can be more of a fluid spectrum.
	Obviously, people feel different ways about that, but that's my opinion in my social analysis of it.
	Your sex is a majority of the surgery.
	No, sex, you have XX chromosomes or you have X Y chromosomes.
	You can be a biological male or you can be a biological female.
	And I think there's a third, there's like intersex.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's super rare and most transgender people are not interested.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I think if gender reassignment surgery hasn't gone through, personally, I think that if you as a man are attracted to somebody who has the same genitalia as you, that is just not what the definition of being straight is.
	You know, I think that you have to have a sexual attraction to, you know, female genitalia.
	But that's just me.
	And again, I don't know.
	I'm always open to any perspective when it comes to that.
	That's just how I feel right now.
	Well, so straight is short-form slang for heterosexual.
	Right.
	And so sexuality relates to your attraction to someone's sex.
	Exactly.
	Even granting the differences in gender identity, so somebody's a male, but the gender identity is that of a woman.
	Right.
	It's baked into the term itself, heterosexuality.
	So heterosexuality, two males, even regardless of the gender identity.
	So if one of them, if two males, one of them is cis, a kind of annoying term, but and the other is a transgender woman, that is, that can never be, if two males are having sex, it can never be straight.
	Even if they've gone through gender reassignment surgery?
	Have they had a sex reassignment surgery?
	That's not, well, I wouldn't grant that you can change your sex.
	Okay.
	Well, I think, honestly, I'm not the most educated on it.
	Okay, so it's impossible.
	Even when you fully transition, like if I had surgery and went through testosterone and stuff, it's not possible.
	Because people do change their sex on their government IDs.
	What do you think about that?
	Because you're saying it's just a gender reassignment surgery.
	Is that not technically possible?
	Well, if I was somehow managed to like convince the government that I was 10 years younger than I actually am and they were like, okay, well, like I bamboozled them and then they put it on my ID that I was actually 25 instead of 35 or whatever.
	Would my age actually be 25 or would it be 35?
	Yeah, but that's not real.
	What is real is the fact that you can change your sex on your ID, not the fact that you can change it.
	Right, but just because something is reflected on a laminated government issue card doesn't matter.
	So even if you had like the surgery, the T, the like estrogen, everything, you changed everything.
	You changed the sex for you, it would be like if a male's still male.
	It wouldn't be straight.
	Transgender.
	Yeah, it wouldn't be straight to you.
	No, it wouldn't be.
	I guess I can kind of see where you're coming from.
	Yeah.
	Can you?
	No, I can't.
	I can see that.
	I understand where you're coming from.
	Even if she's got perfect fake titties and she kind of looks like a woman, even though I have some disputes over this, whatever.
	I don't know, there's some women in Thailand who, I guess, do pretty good job, whatever.
	And they got the vagina.
	Right.
	That's not pussy.
	It's not.
	It ain't pussy.
	It's a gaping hole.
	They incise a hole into you and invert the penis in.
	Right.
	The penis tissue is in.
	That's not pussy.
	I just ate.
	I understand what you're saying.
	It ain't pussy.
	You know, as somebody who's familiar with labias, not a pussy.
	Not labia.
	Not labia.
	Not pussy.
	It's inverted penis.
	It's interesting.
	They have the actual procedure.
	They do it.
	There's a video for it.
	There's several at this point, but like they do it with Play-Doh and they show you how it's done.
	Oh, I'm seeing it and it's crazy.
	It's wild.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	I hear where you're coming from.
	Can I ask you just, you know, if you're comfortable talking about it, which I assume you are, just what your opinion on transgender and LGBT people are?
	Well, LGBT and transgender is different.
	LGBT.
	Well, what do you think the T stands for?
	Right.
	There's lesbian, there's gay, there's bisexual.
	That's kind of really different.
	So you have different opinions on sexuality versus gender identity?
	So, okay, I mean, I guess I'll say this.
	So trans people exist.
	It's a phenomenon.
	I'm not denying it.
	Gay people, bisexual people exist.
	This is obviously something.
	Speaking specifically on the trans thing, though, what's my general thought on it?
	Is that I guess like, do you respect trans people is my baseline question, or do you think it's just an abomination?
	An abomination?
	That's an interesting word.
	Do I re yes, I would say I respect trans people.
	I would say that these people, I don't think that they should receive, because they're trans, I don't think they should be hurt in any sort of way.
	I don't think they should be bullied.
	I don't think that they should.
	I wish for them to have happy lives.
	I have no ill will or hatred in my heart for people who are trans.
	However, I don't subscribe to this idea.
	Well, a couple different ideas.
	I don't believe that you should give children puberty blockers.
	I don't think trans women should be competing in women's sports.
	There is, I don't really have, what's the term?
	I don't have a dog in the fight, really, but probably shouldn't go into women's bathrooms.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I see where you're coming from.
	Or women's changing rooms.
	And if you're like, I'll use their new name.
	Like if there used to be Bob and now they're Jessica, I'll use Jessica.
	I won't use the pronouns, but I will use their new name.
	Okay.
	And but besides that, I think that I don't buy into it.
	Yeah.
	I don't buy into it.
	I wish them well.
	I don't have any hatred for them.
	I think there's like certain, at least with like children, stay away from the kids.
	Like they can, if look, if you want to transition when you're 18, you can't be stopped, whatever.
	Although I may probably have some opinions on that.
	Like, is it like you're going to be a physician assistant?
	Like, is this in contravention of like do no harm, like chopping off men's penises, like mutilating people under the guise of healthcare?
	But, like, what if they have a mental illness?
	I've definitely seen it firsthand, and I've definitely come across it.
	So, I mean, ultimately, like, my perspective is I think there's a mental illness component to this.
	Like, in the same way that we wouldn't, like, affirm somebody who's schizophrenic.
	Right.
	Like, whatever their delusions are, I do think that there's a mental illness component to this.
	Okay.
	Can I add something to that?
	Sure.
	I think for me, it's hard to understand why it wouldn't be considered a mental illness.
	One, because if you do consider it, you get covered by insurance a lot of the times and the procedures get covered.
	And this is like purely insurance purposes.
	Like, if you use gender dysphoria or whatever, you can get certain things covered and certain like benefits from that.
	But to me, like, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to me why it wouldn't be.
	And I don't think that's a bad thing, though.
	Like, I don't think that's opposite arguments.
	I said, I feel like you guys have opposite arguments in the sense that you're saying you feel it should be classified as a mental illness so insurance can comfort the transition, right?
	Am I getting that right?
	Yeah, I wouldn't say that.
	I feel he doesn't think what you don't buy into it, right?
	So you probably don't think that people should be transitioning in the first place.
	That doesn't mean you wish them any ill will or whatever.
	I acknowledge that they have the choice to do it, and America grants us certain freedoms to do things that I might not necessarily agree with, but like, I mean, should the government be like paying for it?
	Or there is like a consideration when it comes to the healthcare field.
	Like, is there a component of it's making them a lot of money?
	Yes.
	And you become a lifetime like patient, too.
	Right.
	So there was a, there was a debate.
	That's true.
	There was a debate on Modern Debate, the Modern Debate Channel.
	I want to say it was like maybe two months ago.
	And there was something that was brought up about how it can be identified in early childhood as latent homosexuality.
	But something about the way in which it is handled.
	Like if there are some, God, I wish I could remember.
	Totally recommend going back and listening to this though.
	But he was basically saying that if it's identified in early childhood, typically with boys, it shows up as just homosexuality.
	And once, you know, for a period of time that they come off of the puberty blockers, things kind of sort of like end up, you know, running their natural course and they are just simply gay men and they don't want to become women.
	But there was also a conditioning point too.
	And I'm forgetting what he said.
	Can I ask you a question though?
	You want kids one day?
	I do.
	Okay, let's say your 10-year-old son comes to you, says, hey, mom, think I'm a girl.
	How do you proceed?
	I think that I'd probably go to therapy, not on some conversion shit, but just to educate myself on what exactly that means for me as a parent.
	I probably would be respectful in the sense that I would support my child in, let's say, my son wanted to become a girl and become my daughter.
	I would call her by she, her, whatever name she wanted to go by.
	Maybe I would.
	Obviously, you're used to calling your son by he, him, calling your son by the boy name.
	So there would be a period of transition, but I would try to remain respectful.
	Like right away.
	I understand.
	Yes, yes.
	You might make mistakes.
	I would need to have a conversation with my partner, but eliminating my partner and their opinion and their thoughts and everything.
	And this is.
	Let's assume your partner completely agrees with, is going to completely agree with you on everything.
	Yeah, I realized that yes, there would be some mistakes that occur because you're making whatever you accidentally misgender them a couple times.
	But would you immediately just start they come to you and say, I think I'm a girl.
	I want you to start using my new name and my pronoun, she, her.
	To be honest, I think I would need to talk to a life coach and a psychologist, a children's psychologist, before telling you for sure that I would do that, just to make sure that there's not going to be any long-term ramifications in case that they do go back on their gender and they, you know what I mean, detransition.
	But I would try to be supportive in the best way that I can by calling them by their new pronouns, new name, allowing them to express themselves in fashion and makeup and whatever it may be.
	But I wouldn't immediately though.
	I'm going to say yes, but I would, if this was a real scenario, I would educate myself.
	But I would not allow my child to do any gender reassignment or any hormonal things before 18.
	And honestly, I pose the question too if that should even happen before the age of 25, just because your brain is not fully developed.
	Well, hold on.
	But what if the medical community said, actually, this gender-affirming care is what is medically indicated.
	And they say that, well, if you want your transgender child to have the best transition possible, you should transition them and put them on puberty blockers to stop male puberty so that they can, you know, their voice doesn't get deeper, certain, you know, body hair, they don't go through male puberty.
	That is the, they're saying this, that that is the best case thing.
	And that's what the medical.
	Yeah, I mean, if you're telling me that medical professionals are recommending that, then yes, of course I would do that.
	I have no problem with it socially.
	So if that is the best thing to do medically to make my child happy and healthy, then of course I would do it.
	Do you believe that certain doctors can be ideologically captured?
	Do you mean biased?
	Or what do you mean by that?
	Like they're ideologically captured.
	So repeating the word doesn't help me understand it any better.
	Okay.
	You realize that, for example, you said you'd go to a therapist.
	Therapists are overwhelmingly left-leaning.
	So they're typically going to have like ideology that is in line with like mainstream leftist or left-leaning propaganda, which would relate to LGBTQ stuff, specifically transgender stuff.
	And the official position of the transgender community is that it's absolutely acceptable and fine and encouraged to medically transition children and to give them puberty blockers.
	Can I jump in real quick?
	I'll just finish it.
	Let's have a answer.
	You can do it.
	I did mention that I would also go to a psychologist and a life coach, which aren't necessarily left-leaning.
	You think all life coaches are left-leaning?
	I don't know why you'd go to a life coach, but like a psychologist or psychiatrist, they're all of them.
	A lot of them are women, and a lot of them tend to lean left.
	Okay.
	I would try my very best to get a diverse sample of opinions.
	Okay.
	What exactly was your question?
	Well, you wanted to come in on this?
	Yeah, I have to be at work at six.
	I had no clue it was going to go on this long.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	But I had a blast.
	Let me just, before you leave, let me see if you have any notes here we need to get to.
	Go for it.
	Hold on.
	Sorry.
	It's Paulina, right?
	Yes.
	Really quick, there's only one note here for you.
	You said your ex-boyfriend took you to a bar on the first date.
	You don't drink.
	Oh, my experience.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Oh, he waited outside your house till seven.
	Okay, I don't know if there's anything there.
	Not really anything there.
	He just had a skew.
	You'll take her seat.
	Yeah, nothing.
	By the way, guys, for the rest of the panel, we're going to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	I appreciate it too.
	Nice meeting you.
	Oh, why is it?
	Oh, audio, audio, unmute the audio, please.
	Profits to Ozark and crew.
	I'll priest if needed when let me know.
	All right.
	Thank you, Odyssey.
	Appreciate it.
	We have some chats coming through here.
	Which one are you?
	Thank you, brother.
	Red pillar, blue pill.
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	Their minds are so open that their thoughts are falling out.
	We are talking.
	For sure.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, Penmaker.
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	Should trans women be counted in abortion statistics?
	Should trans men have to register for the selective service?
	My question is, why would trans women be counted in abortion?
	How they don't have a biologically that's not even possible.
	Yeah.
	For transportation.
	Or maybe that's your point.
	Or maybe that's your point.
	Maybe that's your point.
	For the latter part of that question, I guess in terms of getting drafted.
	Yeah, if you want to be a trans man, I do believe you're going to be able to get a better idea.
	Is that what you wanted?
	Thank you for coming in today.
	Why are you gay?
	You are gay.
	You are a transgender and a gay rights activist.
	You're large.
	I love how transgender is like a slur.
	Like, you are a transgender.
	All right, cool.
	All right.
	We can't linger too long on that topic, though.
	You're so good.
	A couple more things here, and we'll get this wrapped up as soon as possible.
	Wait, this, okay, for you.
	Did you say that you make like the people who you're interested in, like long-term potential boyfriends, you make them wait before hooking up?
	I did not say that.
	Okay, never mind.
	I don't know.
	Somebody said, hey, Brian, you should ask her about this because it's interesting.
	I mean, I, you know, I hooked up with a random person in Italy and Greece.
	And yeah, no, I don't feel that way.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the reason it comes up is like sometimes there's a frustration when it comes to like women will have two different standards.
	Like on one hand, they'll hook up with certain guys really quickly.
	Oftentimes, if they're traveling, they'll just have fun and then they come back home and they're oh, I'm going to wait.
	Well, I want to wait three months to have sex because I'm that kind of girl, but really they're not.
	I will just say that I know in having guy friends that guys tend to look at women differently after they put out.
	And do you disagree with that?
	I think some guys can, yeah.
	Me personally, I don't really have any qualms about, I don't feel like I need to wait a lot.
	Yeah, exactly that.
	And I feel like my ideal partner wouldn't feel any type of way about it either, which is why I don't.
	But I know that some men think, oh, women should be pure and divine and no buddies, and I take their cherry and blah, blah, blah, like this purity thing.
	And I understand that there could be religious components to that.
	And I, you know, I validate and I respect everybody, but that's just not how I live my life.
	Okay.
	Oh, he's back.
	They're waiting for you.
	Girl.
	Hey, Ellie, sorry to bother you once more, but good luck in your last year of school.
	I know you will do great.
	If by the end of school, you haven't found somebody.
	Find me on the socials.
	That is so kind.
	Thank you for the prosperous wishes on my last year of school.
	Nice.
	Have you thought about college at all?
	Thank you, Baha.
	I appreciate it.
	You know where you want to go?
	I'm going to apply to all the UCs and then you give me city college.
	You think?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I like.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Whatever.
	Whatever.
	Oh, my God.
	Who the hell can?
	All right.
	15.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Jamie, you agree.
	Heidi, you agree.
	You think women do not have equal rights to men in the USA?
	Why is that?
	And then do you two agree with that?
	I don't think women have equal opportunity.
	I don't know about equal rights, so.
	Don't have equal opportunity.
	Okay.
	You agree with it.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	Why do you agree with that?
	Because of the job market.
	A lot of places hire men over women.
	Okay.
	It could be like a job that a woman is more qualified for, but they're still going to have you.
	How majority of companies now will place your resume through AI scanners, and AI scanners are biased toward white men.
	AI is fucked.
	Okay.
	Well, why do you think they ask your gender on your application?
	Because they base it on the history of all their employees.
	So this is.
	I don't want to speak to something I don't know about.
	So this AI thing you've presented to me, haven't heard of it.
	Go ahead.
	Don't really know.
	What I do know is that there's massive amounts of affirmative action that has a preference towards hiring women.
	And then, like, you're in the entertainment industry, right?
	And it's run by men.
	Hold on.
	In Hollywood, there's literally, I forgot if it was the Grammy, sorry, Grammys is music.
	The Oscars said your productions, in order to qualify for certain awards, I don't know if it's Academy Awards.
	Is that the TV?
	Wait, Academy Awards and Oscars are the same, right?
	I don't know.
	Wait.
	What's the one for TV?
	There's TV and then there's film.
	The Oscars are music.
	For the films.
	The Emmys.
	The Emmys.
	Okay.
	So I'm pretty sure it's across the board between both film and television.
	They say you need to have this much diversity and you need to hire this many women and these sorts of worlds and you need to have this many racial groups.
	I don't know, did they?
	Those days.
	Those are companies that got rid of those though.
	But there's absolutely been like massive hiring freezes for white men.
	But they just got rid of the Diversity Act.
	The Diversity Act.
	Some companies are rolling back their diversity initiatives.
	But trust me, Hollywood is still cooked.
	Hollywood is still cooked.
	There's a massive hiring preference towards women and minorities.
	Because men run the industry.
	They already are all in the industry.
	There are barely any women at these companies.
	I've worked at them.
	Which companies?
	I've worked at Warner.
	Like Warner Music Group.
	Like, I've applied the music industry.
	Yeah.
	In the music industry, it is mainly run by men.
	It's mainly run by men.
	They're not doing a good job.
	Who's the most like famous?
	Isn't the most like well-paid and like Taylor Swift?
	She's the highest-paid musician.
	You're really thinking about it in anomaly.
	I mean, this idea, this idea that women are held down in the entertainment industry.
	No, I'm talking about the highest music.
	I feel like Taylor Swift.
	But I feel like Teon Swift is a good example as to a woman who hasn't been treated the greatest because Kanye came up to her while she was getting her award.
	And she's no way, no way, no way.
	And that was unprovoked.
	Something to be talking about.
	Uneeded.
	And for what?
	And for what?
	I feel like that's a good example on how to do it for a strong black woman.
	At an award ceremony where they had the best video of all time.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But that's what I mean.
	That's a good example.
	But I bet you if that was a man up there, he wouldn't have done that.
	I bet you that was a good idea.
	He would have done that shit.
	But he didn't.
	He did that to a woman.
	Beyonce had the best video of all time, though.
	Okay, but that is incredibly rude.
	Beyonce had the best video of all time.
	But I feel like that's incredibly rude to go up there.
	Beyonce had the best video of all time.
	But it's still a little bit different.
	But Beyonce had the best video of all of them.
	But like, I mean, but I feel like I deserve that shit.
	It's like in a corporate world, I'm not talking about becoming a singer.
	I'm not talking about becoming an actor or an actress.
	It's in the corporate industry of the entertainment business.
	It is run by men.
	All of the executives are men.
	All of like the highest paid people at these companies are men.
	Okay, now you're looking at the apex, though.
	Like, there's been massive hiring freezes when it comes to men, when it comes to white people, especially white men.
	Massive hiring freezes.
	Because they're all in there.
	That's all they have in those buildings.
	I've heard that.
	There's affirmative action for women.
	Yeah, for a reason.
	But okay, besides the hiring stuff, is there anything else when it comes to women do not have equal rights to men in the USA?
	Men can't kill their kids.
	Anyway, oh, we're talking about abortion.
	No, I see.
	Well, she brought it there.
	That was my main point with the equal rights thing.
	It was mainly about jobs.
	Jobs.
	Okay.
	What's for you?
	What women don't have equal rights?
	Why is that?
	For me, I feel like that's actually a really good example.
	Is like the abortion.
	I was, when I was thinking of equal rights, I was also thinking about like the job scene.
	But like with everything that's going on right now and talking about taking away the abortion laws to allow us to have abortions, I feel like that's a prime example of how women are not having the right to choose.
	Okay, so I understand that abortion is mostly something that impacts women, but I don't think it's evidence of an inequality that exists between men and women.
	If you want it to be a lot of people.
	But I feel like it's an inequality because if men aren't being forced, if it's an issue that only concerns women, to be honest, women go through pregnancy.
	But I feel like it is an inequality.
	Yeah, I feel like it is an inequality.
	Well, so if you have a very basic not be getting revoked, that they would not be being forced to give childbirth when it guarantees their death.
	Like, I feel like, but men aren't being forced to stay.
	It's not like they're being forced to help raise the kid.
	They're forced to.
	I would like to hear your opinion because they really feel strongly about this.
	Not all the time.
	They don't always pay child support.
	They definitely don't.
	Yeah.
	Well, so sometimes you just pick wrong, you know?
	Well, so, I mean, I feel like I personally feel like it's an inequality.
	If the guy is totally broke, then yeah, you can't get blood from a stone.
	But if the guy does have some resources, he is making money.
	Yes, the courts are very effective at collecting child support.
	So, yes, women can, through the court, through the state, force men to pay child support.
	But as it relates to the abortion issue, I understand that it is an issue that women deal with, but it wouldn't be an example of not having equal rights to men.
	Do you feel just theoretically that if men were the ones who carried and went through pregnancy and there were situations where men would die if they went through childbirth or maybe they got raped and you know they have to care exactly?
	Do you think that maybe the laws would be different when it came to abortion?
	You really don't think so?
	You really don't?
	No.
	No, I don't think so.
	That's very interesting.
	I mean, it's a, here's the thing.
	It's a super crazy hypothetical that we obviously would not be able to know.
	I don't think the laws would necessarily be different.
	All right.
	I think.
	I mean, I guess you make the argument for why the laws would be different then.
	Well, because most people who are in positions of power in this country are men.
	And you don't think that they would favor toward men?
	You don't think that?
	No.
	Not really, no, because the law is kind of sort of about what's fair and equal.
	What's fair and equal about women having to give childbirth and dying on the table because it's an extrapolation birth.
	That's not an extrapolation.
	That's a real thing that happens.
	I understand that's a real thing that happens, but like it also doesn't happen as well.
	But it does happen.
	That's like, I don't understand your logic.
	Regardless of your opinion on abortion, I said what I said.
	Yep.
	Men don't have the right to kill their kids.
	And in certain states, women can do that.
	Well, can I ask you, do you think that there's a certain term date where you see it as women viewing their kids or you think it starts at conception?
	Conception.
	Okay.
	Because I mean, it's scientifically like what it is.
	Are you religious?
	Well, even there's like a secular argument.
	So are you religious?
	Well, of course I am.
	That was just my question.
	But, you know, you can't unring that bell.
	Even secularists believe that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you could be an atheist and be pro-life.
	Yeah, no, I was just asking her if she was.
	I wanted to get full context.
	Yes.
	We can't really linger too long on the abortion convo, but again, I understand that abortion is an issue that women care deeply about, whether on one side or the other, but I don't think it'd be evidence of a women not having a right that a man has.
	You don't think women being taken away their right to choose is an inequality between women and men?
	Well, there's no court.
	So if it was the case that men also could get pregnant, just as women could get pregnant.
	Okay, but where's the accountability?
	When you get abortions and women couldn't, this would be evidence of an inequality.
	But because abortion is something that uniquely, to very simplify, very keep things simple, uniquely impacts women.
	But what I said was, so you don't think that women having their right to choose taken away is an inequality between men and women.
	Right.
	So when we're talking about equal rights, we're doing a comparison between the rights that men have and the rights that women have.
	In this case, this is something unique to women.
	So men don't have either a right to abortion or no right to abortion.
	Okay, but they have the right to impregnate a woman.
	But men also have something to happen.
	But that's what I mean.
	Hold on, men don't have a right to get women pregnant.
	Men have.
	Men don't have a woman.
	But like, if men can get women pregnant, but women don't have the choice to keep, that's why I mean they have the choice.
	Men have the right to vote on that, though.
	So do women.
	But so then why should men be able to give sex?
	Women, that's still inequality.
	Who's fathering the kid that's getting aborted?
	And even still, that's not what I said.
	In some states, women perfectly well have the right to choose whether or not men are able to.
	Hold on if I can finish, please.
	Women do have the right in certain states to have an abortion.
	What men do not have the right to do in all states is to kill their child.
	That's what I said.
	That's the point that I was making.
	That's the inequality.
	Women do have the right to choose, just not in certain states.
	Do you think that if so, if a woman gets pregnant and she wants to choose to have an abortion, but the husband or man doesn't want to have her have the abortion, what do you think should happen then?
	Then she should not have the abortion.
	So, first, why does she want to have the abortion?
	And second, why does he not want to have an abortion?
	Are they buried?
	Were they trying?
	Is there something wrong with this child?
	Realistically, I'm just thinking like one night's in, you're not able, you're in college, you just don't want to have a kid.
	I mean, I think irresponsible.
	Yeah, but you know, I think we can all agree that there's Mr. Meow.
	American women are the most protected class in the world.
	Right there.
	Yeah, probably.
	Absolutely.
	I'm looking to this kind of leads into our next thing here.
	Again, though, I'll just say, again, abortion, whether whichever side of the aisle you fall on this, is something that uniquely impacts women.
	Well, okay, I'll just leave it.
	Uniquely impacts women, but it has it doesn't pertain to an inequality of rights between or comparison between men and women.
	Like the true equality on this issue would be, given the status that men have zero say, women should, like, what would be equality between men and women?
	I know you won't like this, would be to have absolutely zero abortion rights.
	That would create equality between men and women.
	No, it wouldn't.
	This is why feminism is not, feminism is not an equality movement.
	It's a woman's advocacy movement.
	Because where feminists won't fight for equality if women won't stand to benefit in some way.
	Wrap that around your how does taking okay, so just to make it just to make sure I understand, you're saying that just taking it away in general and having like like no abortion allowed for both men and women.
	Yeah.
	That's equal to you.
	Why?
	That would be because that would be easy.
	But you just said, you just said that men can't have abortions because they can't get pregnant.
	But so you're not.
	So how is that being equal?
	But wouldn't you agree that that is equal?
	You might have to like it, but it would be equal.
	How is that being equal to take away a woman's choice?
	That's what I mean is that you're taking away her choice.
	Yeah, I'll make it super simple.
	Like they have the choice to impregnate her.
	She should have the choice to improve her.
	Women can't have abortions.
	That meets the definition of the woman.
	But women can get pregnant.
	If a man chooses to get a woman pregnant, she should be able to have the choice.
	If it doesn't have to say that it's just a woman, I'm actually not equitable.
	Yes, it's equal, but it's not equitable.
	Yeah, but we're talking about equal.
	So I'm not making.
	Well, by definition, you're correct.
	Hold on.
	I'm not making a dis I'm not making a prescriptive claim.
	I'm not making a sh I'm speaking about what is.
	I'm not saying, I'm not taking a position right now on the topic of abortion, but I am speaking descriptively as it relates to rights and equal rights.
	It would be the case that there would be an equality, an equality that is created if both no women could get abortions.
	That would match up with the current status for men.
	Descriptively, that's true.
	Okay.
	But I feel like you could also switch that.
	And if men have a choice to impregnate a woman, then I feel like a woman should have a choice to not want to be pregnant.
	Yeah, because, you know, that is, well, no, no, I feel like you do, like, like men do have a choice to impregnate a woman.
	That is a choice.
	There is contraceptive ignoring rape right now.
	That obviously happens.
	Yes, that year.
	Okay, yeah, but that is a real thing.
	Do you not feel, you know, like with incest or rape that's not under any circumstances, abortion?
	The abortion congo is kind of dull to me.
	Okay.
	It's hard.
	It's new.
	It's very nuanced.
	Yeah.
	It's awful.
	But I'm speaking, I'm keeping it to the equal rights component of the client.
	I think your argument's dumb, so I'm going to pee.
	The argument is, well, what's dumb about it?
	Well, it just, men can't get pregnant, therefore they can't have abortions.
	So yes, men not having abortions and women not having abortions.
	Yes, that is an equal thing, but like it's not equitable.
	Yes, it's equal, but it's just who cares that it's equal.
	I feel like that's not what he's arguing.
	That does suck.
	Well, I mean, that's a huge part.
	I think it's a component, and I believe everything should be a discussion, but I think a woman should still have a different thing.
	I think it should be a discussion, but the woman should have the final.
	Like, what's the point of that?
	It's a discussion to get his input.
	I don't know, because you're going, you're going, you're the one carrying this child for nine months.
	You could die going through childbirth.
	I just think that it's a higher risk that the woman's taking the men, the men's tasks.
	But especially here in the West.
	What does it have to do?
	Equal rights.
	Men can't find it.
	It's a possibility, though.
	You're just like shoving it off.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You guys want to keep diverting to the abortion argument?
	Okay, what's your argument?
	I'm not trying to have like a back and forth pro-life, pro-choice.
	I'm speaking strictly about the differential in rights between men and women.
	In this case, there is not a differential, like men don't have a right that women don't.
	Yes, yes, I agree with you.
	As it relates to this, men have zero reproductive rights.
	Men have no reproductive rights.
	Quit fucking her wrong.
	So you would either have to give men reproductive rights.
	Right.
	And then that could, it wouldn't, I guess that would be equity, right?
	Because men can't have abortions, but they could have like, they could say, oh, I got you pregnant, but I don't want to be a father, so I don't have any, I don't have to pay you child support even if you want to keep the kid.
	I don't have to be in the kid's life, even if you want to keep, I relinquish all my paternal responsibility.
	Okay.
	And this is called, sometimes they call it a paper abortion.
	They call it legal paternal surrender.
	Okay.
	But it's not a thing.
	Oh, that's not.
	There's no state where a guy can say, do a paper abortion where he says, you know, I'm not financially ready.
	I'm young.
	I don't want.
	No, it's not a thing.
	Men, the woman could, and there's some crazy scenarios.
	I know you brought up the essay thing.
	She could do that.
	Is that what you mean?
	A woman could essay an underage boy, get pregnant, and then force him to pay child support.
	Like, that will hold up in court, though.
	Really?
	Absolutely.
	So a woman could essay an underage.
	That would genuinely hold up in court.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	How?
	She could be charged.
	I mean, she could be charged with some sort of alternate crime.
	Right.
	But as it relates to the child support component.
	He's now financially responsible for that child.
	He would have to pay child support to his perpetrator.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, yeah, I think it's educated.
	Look, that's obviously like a really rare scenario.
	But generally speaking, there's plenty of men out there who, you know, they've got a girlfriend or they have a one-night stand.
	They get the girl pregnant.
	She keeps the kid.
	He's on the hook for 18, 20, 21 plus years.
	Right.
	And on the 18th birthday.
	So we could start making arguments.
	Well, it wouldn't be totally equal, but the equitable thing would be, okay, in states where women have abortion rights, let's give men a right to a sexual support.
	I think that's fantastic.
	I vote for you.
	Okay, but I'm not sure if that'll ever happen.
	There's massive systems and infrastructure, lawyers, court systems, the government bodies, like CPS or whatever, child support, whatever.
	There's massive infrastructure that wants to keep this the status quo and aren't going to give men an equitable exit from an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy.
	Right.
	And you think those reasons are for profit?
	Yeah, there's like, I think there's typically, I don't know if it's like lawyers, organizations that want to keep it this way because lawyers make a fuck ton of money fighting over child support.
	And courts enjoy it because it's a revenue stream for them.
	So, yeah.
	I think that'd be, I mean, my perspective is in states where abortion is legal, men should have a corresponding right to say, well, I'm not financially ready for it.
	They don't even need a reason.
	In the same, whatever the circumstances, a woman can get an abortion, a man should be able to say, I don't want to pay child support.
	I don't want to have any responsibility.
	I think that's fair.
	There's obviously nuances.
	If women can murder their unborn children, men should at least be able to abandon them.
	Okay, that's a very extreme claim with harsh wording, but I think I see where you're coming from.
	I feel like men will still abandon them, even if they can't legally do it.
	Oh, they should be a little bit more intentional about who they be.
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	Oh, really?
	Man, this panel is fucking our slurred.
	Men have no right to choose.
	He can't force her to have the abortion.
	Hey, come for him, not for us.
	100% code decision.
	That is not an example of an inequality that favors men.
	He's right.
	He's right.
	The man can't force her to have the abortion or not to have the abortion.
	Anyways, one more thing.
	Well, legally.
	Yeah, not legally.
	Legally.
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	95.9% of abortions are not.
	All states do not allow abortion in the case of danger to the mother's life.
	That's not a thing in Texas.
	And on the vote, 6-1, you are not drafted, but vote on war.
	What was that last comment about?
	Chair 1, you're not drafted, but vote on war.
	Oh, because you said men get to vote on abortion, but men can vote on women's rights.
	Just like women can vote on a bunch of stuff that strictly impacts women.
	If you're talking about the government officials that get the right to take away women's rights, there's more men in those chairs.
	Well, I mean, the there's a larger electorate body that is comprised of women.
	There's more women voters than there are men voters.
	It's not about the voters.
	It's about the people that are in the Supreme Court deciding who.
	Well, now you're shifting the GoPost to the Supreme Court.
	Because those are the ones who are able to take away the rights.
	They kicked it back to the states.
	The states then vote in their own state.
	The Supreme Court hasn't outlawed abortion.
	States make the determination.
	Yeah, but they're the ones that reversed Roe versus Wade.
	Yeah, which pushed it back to the states.
	Yeah, but what I'm saying, there's more men in those chairs making those decisions than women, so it's not equal.
	Are there?
	Yes.
	There's seven judges.
	It's not, there's not seven judges.
	Okay, so it's odd.
	It's still an odd number, and most of them are men.
	Not equal.
	All they did was hand the matter over to each of the 50 states to vote on it.
	We got to move off of abortion, though.
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	For your money.
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	Heidi, you agree with this?
	Does anybody else agree with this?
	Men are more privileged in society?
	I think, you know, there's different qualifications for what that even means.
	Like pretty privileged, for example, like girls going out to a bar and not having to buy for a table or wait in a line or buy drinks.
	Like, okay, maybe women's lives are more privileged in that regard.
	But I think to generalize, I would agree with that claim.
	I have to go to the bathroom.
	Sounds good.
	Okay.
	Heidi, you circled this.
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	How so?
	Jobs.
	Just jerubs.
	Just the jobs.
	Yeah.
	How so, I guess.
	In what way?
	It's the odds of getting the same job as a man.
	It's the same with race.
	Same with race.
	Yeah.
	A white man is more likely to get the job a qualified black woman would apply for.
	Well, I don't know the statistics on that, but at least as it relates to gender.
	The same qualifications and they're still going to choose the white man.
	Look, there's massive, there's massive amounts of hiring priority in massive, from massive corporations all the way down.
	There's tons of affirmative action that places a priority in hiring women.
	If you look in urban areas, you look in cities, single childless women under the age of 30, they out-earn their male counterparts.
	Women are out-earning men, especially in 2025.
	You look at major cities, women are frequently, frequently out-earning men.
	There's plenty of job opportunities for women.
	This idea.
	And then further, if we're looking at differentials or gaps, you know, you'd like to say, okay, well, women don't get these really glamorous jobs.
	Women don't make as much money.
	Even if I go ahead and grant that this is true, and I have some disputes as to this.
	Men occupy the absolute worst positions there are.
	We watched some videos earlier.
	So men are way more likely to die on the job.
	They're more likely to be crushed on the job.
	They're more likely to have arms and legs and fingers severed on the job.
	They're more likely to freeze to death on the job.
	They're more likely to burn to death on the job.
	More likely to be crushed to death on the job.
	There's all kinds of gaps that exist.
	Why is it that we only focused on the amount of money that's made as it relates to gaps, the wage gap?
	But we don't look at the, you know, I think honestly, the bigger gender grievance, which is that men are way more overrepresented in workplace fatalities and workplace injuries.
	Why don't we ever examine those gaps?
	Well, because it's not the same job.
	You're not doing the same job.
	If I'm working, I don't know, at McDonald's, I'm going to expect to get the same as my male counterpart.
	They do, though.
	Women do get paid.
	In fact, oftentimes they've done audits of these companies.
	They did an audit of, or Google did a self-audit, and they're like, well, we're feminist and we want to make sure that the women are paid the same.
	They actually found out that they were paying women more than the men.
	How do you explain that?
	Are the women negotiating and the men aren't?
	Well, if it was the reverse, you would just say that that's sexism.
	No.
	So if the men were just, well, that's actually one of the components for why men, there's an earnings gap.
	Men are more likely to negotiate.
	Women are more likely to take the first offer or take a lesser offer.
	Because men are usually offered the job over a woman.
	Like I said, if the qualifications are the same on paper.
	Are they?
	Yes.
	Like, theoretically, if you and a woman apply for the same exact job, qualifications are the same.
	And I'm not talking like physical labor jobs.
	I'm talking like corporate jobs.
	Like, what about you think I'm more likely to be hired as a like a teacher?
	Yeah.
	There's lots of male teachers.
	Are there more female teachers or male teachers?
	Like in the elementary school level?
	I think there's more female, but it's also choice of what career you want to go in.
	I agree.
	There's a lot.
	There's choices.
	Men make certain choices.
	Some of those choices happen to pay men more.
	Women make a lot of choices.
	A lot of those choices happen to pay women less because of choice, not because of sexism.
	But HR is the one that is hiring predominantly made up of feminist left-leaning women.
	Why don't feminist left-leaning women who run the HR departments, why aren't they hiring women?
	Because it goes through AI.
	Goes through AI?
	There's an answer for everybody.
	But hold on.
	But AI is like within the past two or three years, women were running HR departments for decades.
	So what's going on there?
	I mean, I am 25.
	AI has been around since I've been applying for jobs.
	They teach us how to make resumes for the AI scanners.
	Like ChatGPT scanners.
	It's been like, what, three years?
	I didn't say ChatGPT.
	I'm talking AI in general.
	Like the ATS scanners are the ones that are going through the resumes and deciding which resumes get pulled for the jobs.
	And you're saying that there's evidence that they're just disqualifying all women.
	Why do you think they choose to put on the application gender ethnicity?
	There is no reason why a job needs to know that when you're applying for a job.
	You can decline to answer.
	And I've heard a lot of cases.
	Sometimes I do, and I get more interviews when I decline to answer.
	But there was a study that came out that released that an ATI company, ATS, for a major company was biased toward white men.
	I'm not saying that's every company, but.
	I'd have to see the study.
	I haven't seen it.
	Yeah.
	No.
	It does exist, though.
	But again, I guess my question to you is: why is it that we only hyper-focus in on the money component and not all the other things?
	I'm not focusing on the money component.
	I'm just having the opportunity to have a job.
	Why is it that 94% of workplace fatalities happen to men?
	Like, I think dying is kind of a bigger deal than some women make a few dollars.
	Harder labor, right?
	Wasn't that what we talked about that for a while.
	Right, but why isn't there a fight for like equality and feminism?
	Like, let's get more female bricklayers.
	What's going on there?
	Why can't we?
	We're not biologically as well adapted as you guys are to fulfill those jobs proficiently.
	Question for you.
	Yes.
	If you knew that there was a risk for a job that you could die or be maimed, would you probably want to be compensated for that?
	Of course.
	Okay.
	That's why underwater world is getting a lot of people.
	Do you think jobs where there's a risk of injury or death, people are probably less likely to do that job?
	Yeah, I would say for the most part.
	And there's a greater demand for that job?
	It depends.
	Sorry, when I say, I guess there's a demand from the not from the employee side, but from the employer side.
	Yeah.
	Could you give me that?
	Because there's less people willing to do the job.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and are men more likely to work dangerous and dirty jobs?
	Yes.
	Okay, so if it even from your perspective, you would have to be paid more to do that job.
	For sure.
	Whereas most people would be fine in an air-conditioned like you don't need to be, oh man, you don't need to be paid more to work an air-conditioned office job.
	Like, no, you don't have to be convinced to do that.
	Yeah, I'm confused.
	What's like the question?
	Well, I'm saying that one of the components, and by the way, the wage gap, there's like multiple, it's multivaried, multiple reasons for why this earnings gap exists.
	First off, the wage gap is oftentimes the number that's quoted.
	It's just comparing all the money that men make to all the women that money make.
	It's not factoring in hours worked, type of job, location, field of work, all these other factors, overtime, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	So, one of them is though, men are more willing to work these like dangerous, undesirable jobs and undesirable jobs because they're undesirable, oftentimes tend to be rewarded more because of their undesirable nature.
	Like, if you're working a job where it's like, hmm, you're an underwater welder and delta P, there's a chance you get sucked into a tube and like instantly vaporized, you should probably be compensated well for taking on the risk of doing underwater welding.
	For sure.
	I agree with the hazard pay rate.
	Hazard pay.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Men are much more likely to engage in hazard pay.
	That's only one of the many metrics by which this earnings gap manifests itself.
	But when you start accounting for all these different variables and you compare like for like, it shrinks to just one cent.
	Men earn one cent more than women.
	But I think it's more of the problem in companies where they are paying a man more than they are paying a woman for the same thing.
	If she can prove it, she can file a lawsuit.
	Well, that's why they tell you not to discuss your financials with coworkers.
	They tell you not to tell your coworkers how much you're getting paid because most of the time it's unequal.
	Well, I mean, I'll propose this.
	That was my wage gap.
	Really quick, show of hands.
	Who here wants a guy to pay for first dates?
	Just show of hands super quick.
	Okay, so I think ignoring even all the things I listed, the fact that men work more, they work more hours, they work more overtime, they're more likely to relocate, they're more likely to do XYZ, different thing that happens to be correlated to higher pay.
	I argue that it's actually women cause the wage gap.
	Women, through your own sexist gendered expectations, you want men to pay for first dates, you want men to be providers.
	This creates a mating pressure that exists only on men.
	It doesn't exist in the reverse.
	It doesn't exist back.
	You create, you want men to pay for first dates to be providers.
	They're going to be more motivated to make money.
	They're going to be more motivated to work harder.
	I think issues like the wage gap are nuance, but I agree with you that women do contribute to part of the problem.
	Well, if the standard is, as a woman, I want a man to pay for dates, I want him to be a provider.
	Yeah.
	That would create a social pressure, a mating pressure that exists one direction, but doesn't exist the other direction.
	Right.
	Like as women, you want money for yourself.
	Yeah.
	But it's never part of the calculus of why you're not looking for women's money with I'm making a bunch of money, so women want to fuck me.
	Right.
	Or sorry, men want to fuck me.
	Well, I guess you're bisexual.
	So maybe it works out if you're bi.
	But yeah, it's not like women can absolutely be super motivated.
	Obviously, wanting to take care of yourself, being financially secure, that is very motivating.
	But you don't have this added level of pressure or motivation on the basis of finding a boyfriend.
	Yes.
	Like you can be broke.
	Yes.
	Guys are still going to want to deal with you, but if you're a broke guy, that does have an impact on your dating process.
	I totally agree with that.
	Not to some women deal with broke dudes, but it does have an impact in the sense very simply.
	Y'all want a guy to pay for a first date.
	Yeah.
	If a guy can't afford to pay for a first date.
	I hear that.
	I agree that it's harder to date as a poor man, unattractive man, than a poor, unattractive woman.
	It's tough out there.
	All right, one more thing from the questionnaire.
	We're going to let some chats come through and then we're going to get this wrapped.
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	Final thing from the questionnaire.
	Sorry, two more things from the questionnaire.
	My bad.
	A woman's passion not matter.
	Talking about body count.
	You agree.
	Elizabeth, you agree.
	Ellie didn't even circle anything.
	Okay.
	She just agrees.
	She disagrees on everything.
	Okay, who here thinks a woman's passion not matter?
	Body count?
	I think everything's nuanced.
	It's nuanced.
	Okay.
	I know you hate me.
	No, it's okay.
	No, no, you've been super respectful.
	No, absolutely no hate.
	Thank you.
	Why?
	Are we judging men for their body counts?
	You can, if you want to.
	Absolutely.
	Nothing stops women from judging men for it.
	I don't think a body count should determine your value to another person.
	It doesn't determine the value, but it makes me worry about your choices and your judgment sometimes.
	Like if a guy, if he slept with over 200 women, I'd be like, hmm, it's a little like, what's going on?
	What's going on there?
	You know, I'm like, is everything okay mentally?
	Like, I think in our generation, it's a little different just because the body count number for like the average person is gone up for our generation specifically because of the sleeping around culture.
	Has it?
	I don't know.
	It definitely gives me a lot of time.
	It might have gone down.
	It might have gone down.
	I see that Gen Z is having less sex because nobody wants to talk to anybody in person.
	But then I also hear specifically.
	I think the extremes are so much higher, probably.
	Yeah, and I think that also, like, there's been a pull away from like typical values, I think, too, in a very, very big way.
	And I mean, like, even going so far back, like, I'm, like I said, I'm 36.
	My parents.
	Right.
	Like, my parents had their values, but they didn't always like push their values on to us.
	I have four siblings.
	So, I mean, you know, we kind of called it like we see it, you know, and if we didn't see it, then we made it up.
	So, okay.
	Well, I guess, so who here thinks, just show of hands, body count doesn't matter, shouldn't matter.
	Passion matters.
	It does not matter, you said.
	Shouldn't matter, it doesn't matter.
	It matters.
	I couldn't 100% agree with that claim, so I can't raise my hand.
	That body count does not matter at all under a country.
	Yeah, I don't think it matters.
	I couldn't agree with that.
	Sure.
	Well, here, I'll ask this.
	If body count shouldn't matter, it doesn't matter.
	What's your body count?
	One.
	Felicity.
	Two.
	Five.
	Into the mic if you can.
	Five.
	Five.
	I'm not sharing this.
	Do you want to do range, ballpark?
	Under 25.
	Did you lose track?
	No, it's just that's nobody's business but mine.
	Okay, so you do know the number.
	I do know it.
	Yeah, did you stop counting?
	Um, I, you know, it's not like every time I had sex, I went and wrote it in my notebook, but you know, I have an idea.
	I could recall all the times if I wanted to.
	Ellie?
	Zero.
	I don't know off the top of my head.
	Ballpark range?
	More than 10.
	So could be a thousand?
	Well, no, not more than 10, less than 25.
	Okay.
	Did you lose track?
	No, I'm just not really a counter.
	Okay.
	Stopped counting, I guess.
	What about you?
	Eight.
	Okay.
	I'm married and I'm not giving that information.
	Me?
	Just out of respect for my husband.
	Yeah, definitely not.
	You don't want to do a little ballpark or I mean, it's less than eight for sure.
	Do you guys want to give your girl count?
	Like how many girls you've known, just that maybe you're more comfortable being like, I done fucked a couple of people.
	Couple chicks?
	Yeah.
	Well, for me, it's just the area I grew up in, there wasn't a lot of gay girls.
	So I would say coming to LA, that has changed.
	Probably like, I would say a fourth of my sexual experiences have been with women.
	Maybe, maybe even a third.
	Split.
	I would say half my sexual experiences have been with women.
	Okay.
	Two questions on this.
	Would you date a guy who previously had sex with men?
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	If he was the top.
	Okay.
	That's real.
	Interesting.
	What if he was the bottom?
	No?
	No.
	Like a masculine man.
	Yeah, I would.
	I don't know.
	Would you date a guy who previously had sex with prostitutes?
	Like he's paid that.
	He's clean, but he paid.
	Or like he just happened to date a prostitute.
	Or like he purchased.
	He purchased.
	I see.
	No.
	What if it's just one time?
	No, I don't care.
	No.
	One time.
	Why are you that down bad?
	Like on Tinder, bro?
	We have dating ads.
	It's 2025.
	Literally.
	It's not rough enough.
	I'm not in favor of men seeking out prostitutes, but I don't think it necessarily.
	Like, maybe you just wanted, you know, whatever.
	I think it's kind of lame, I guess.
	But whatever.
	All right.
	Oh, can women.
	So this would apply just to you two because nobody else indicated here on this.
	Can women be sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Everyone can be sexist.
	Everyone can be racist.
	Everyone can be a lot of things.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Of course.
	I don't know.
	I believe that I believe that I could, as I'm Latina, I can be racist toward any other race.
	Can black people be racist towards white people?
	Maybe stereotypical is a better word.
	I don't know if racist is the right word.
	What do you think?
	I think it's the right word, but what do you think?
	I just don't know.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Stop.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not thinking.
	I'm trying to think of what to say.
	I don't think you can be racist.
	I'm just, are you black?
	Yes, I'm Puerto Rican and black.
	Okay, but so as somebody who's, I guess, half black then, like Latin?
	Is it what is it called?
	Afro-Latina?
	Is that the term?
	I don't know.
	Is it?
	I don't know.
	Is that offensive?
	I don't know.
	As somebody who's black, can you be racist towards a white person?
	I don't think personally I can.
	Like, okay, okay, wait, okay, wait.
	Let me actually wait.
	Let me explain this.
	Me and my other black friends have talked about this before.
	We think that because systematically, like when it comes to black people and white people, because white people have kept us down for so long and we're finally in this sense of like empowerment, we don't think you can be racist towards a white person because that's just reparations.
	Can you give me an example?
	Yeah, being racist toward a white person.
	Yeah, give me an example and I'll tell you whether or not it's like, oh, cracker when you do that.
	That's not the same gravity as that.
	No, it is not.
	All the stars.
	Don't say the N-word if she's not.
	Oh, yeah, I'm not going to say that.
	Just because we're on stream.
	I would say that's not a story.
	I wasn't saying it.
	I'm in my house and never.
	I'm classy today.
	Yeah.
	So complex.
	I mean, I'll be saying that.
	Yeah, I would say, for example, if a black person assaulted a white person because they're white, I would say that's a good idea.
	Okay, yeah, that's a fault.
	Oh, well, yeah, that's a crime.
	That's assault.
	Yes, that's a hate crime.
	So, therefore, it is racist.
	Oh, I feel like that's just assault.
	Because they're white?
	Because they're white.
	Oh, yeah, that's racist.
	Then, yeah, totally.
	So, black people can be racist towards white people.
	Yep, you heard it here first.
	Is it?
	Do you think it's racist, though?
	I think that's high-key hot take.
	I think that's reparations, but that's my personal thing.
	That's my personal thing.
	What about if you buy them?
	But, but genuinely, but genuinely, I do think that, like, don't beat somebody's ass.
	Don't do that.
	Don't.
	Wow.
	I don't think that's okay.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying violence is okay.
	I'm not saying violence is okay.
	I don't promote the violence.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I do think that anybody can be racist towards anybody.
	It's just race-based bigotry, hatred.
	It's longer than I am getting paid for.
	We're getting tired.
	Okay, good talk.
	Well, I mean, that's it for the questions, pretty much.
	We're going to let some chats come through before we do.
	We do a segment, so do it quick if you want to get this wrapped up.
	People take off their makeup on stream.
	I'm only wearing a straight-up.
	So, as you know, I just had surgery.
	I have stitches right here.
	Okay.
	I need like hydrogen peroxide.
	You know what?
	I have like a whole thing when it comes to.
	I mean, you know, I can.
	It's just probably not a good idea right now.
	But you just have me on next time.
	So, your makeup is just like perma on?
	No, when I get back to our hotel, I have to, there's just a lot of steps to it right now because I need to make sure it's sanitized.
	And I don't know what to do.
	I've got some transfers here.
	Everybody else is doing it.
	That's fine.
	She's recovering from a two, guys.
	Just letting you know.
	When you guys are done, hold it up for the camera.
	I'm going to let some chats come through.
	Here we go.
	Here's mine.
	We're out of here within like five minutes.
	Dana does have like the best skin.
	Yeah, you know the only makeup value of skin.
	If you have a business and get equally qualified men or women, and you can pay her less, you would hire only women.
	This is true.
	This is true.
	If it was the case that you could get away with paying women less, corporations could just take advantage of this and just hire only women and save like 20-30% on payroll.
	Well put, Wizard.
	Thank you.
	I have another one from Mozart Spugati.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	Women mad at men, women mad at being women.
	Asexual.
	I'm far from it.
	There are only two sexes on earth, and you're at war socially with each other.
	Get a fucking life because you're cooked.
	You're an asexual NPC.
	Wow.
	Who's that for?
	I'm not sure.
	Thank you, Mozart's Bugotti.
	Good fucking name.
	If you're done, hold it up.
	Let's see the damage.
	Okay, there it is.
	We got the damage over here.
	Hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	Mine looks so like panic.
	I always use my cellular water.
	Good times.
	I love my cellular water.
	Yeah, this is portal first.
	If you guys need to use two, feel free.
	Very generous here at the Whatever podcast.
	You know, if you need to, we're not going to be stingy with the makeup lights.
	Guys, final call.
	If you want to get a TTS in, I'll give you, we're wrapping within five, so you have a bit of time to get a TTS in.
	Get it in, boys.
	$69 TTS final.
	If you want the final word, okay.
	I know not a big pizza.
	If you want a final word here on the show, final call, TTS, get him in, boys.
	It was a good panel.
	You guys were good.
	I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
	I enjoyed it.
	It was fun.
	And I appreciate you.
	Obviously, we disagreed on some things, but you were very respectful and you had like an open mind to the conversation.
	Oh, yeah, totally.
	I think that's super important.
	I feel that not enough people try to look at multiple perspectives nowadays when it comes to nuanced issues.
	And that's something that I believe in.
	So I appreciate that.
	No, it's a sign of intelligence to being like hearing a position that you perhaps don't agree with or you know, whatever.
	So you're very fair.
	You're very reasonable.
	You were very good faith.
	So thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	And everybody else was for the most part.
	Except for Felicity.
	She'd talk too much tonight.
	Rude.
	So I'll start the and Mary.
	Remember to do the little outro thing with the little audio thing.
	By the way, guys, a couple things here.
	Stay until the end because we're going to play a thingy.
	Well, you guys heard it last stream, but if you haven't heard it, we now play this cool outro thing during the outro.
	Also, stay until the end.
	Guys, we're wrapping here.
	You'll be able to leave a comment within a few minutes.
	Stay until the end.
	Leave a nice comment.
	Maybe you have something nice to say about one of the panelists.
	You have something nice to say about the show, something nice to say about me.
	Leave a nice positive comment.
	Just leaving a comment in general helps with the algorithm.
	And it's nice to have, and I'll read them.
	You know, after the show, I read the comments.
	So just leave a nice little comment, help out with the algorithm.
	I do want to say, oh, also, by the way, no, no woman here is OnlyFans, right?
	No.
	No, even in the past.
	Plug them or something.
	No, no, no.
	But like, sometimes the criticism you get on the show is like, oh, you guys only bring on OF girls.
	Like, no.
	I'm getting my degree, babe.
	I got into some crazy school.
	Yeah, majority of our guests don't do OF, but it's like this perpetual fucking thing that annoys me.
	You just bring on prostitutes.
	I'm like, no, most of the girls are normal.
	Most of the women are normal girls who come on the show.
	So not one single OF girl on this panel.
	Not one, not her, not Felicity, not anybody.
	Okay, so anyways, moving on.
	GG, I want to say GG to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, like I said, please stay for just a moment.
	Leave a nice comment.
	Once the live ends, you can't leave a comment while it's live, but it will be up promptly.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	You guys were dope.
	Thank you guys.
	It was a fun show.
	Fun conversation.
	Thanks for having us.
	You guys could have been anywhere in the world to the viewers.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We're viewer supported.
	We couldn't do it without you guys.
	You know, we don't want to be beholden to the woke mega corps advertisers, blah, blah, blah.
	So we will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Great panel next week.
	Also lined up.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Let me see if there was any chats that came through.
	I don't want to screw anybody over here at the end.
	No, it doesn't look like it.
	Double checking everything.
	One moment, folks.
	All right, cool.
	Oh, we just have the fuck.
	Okay, I mean, it's Brian, where's your wipe?
	Oh, I didn't do it.
	I got to take the cake off.
	Anyways, thank you, guys.
	Thank you, panel.
	You guys were dope.
	Is there anything we're forgetting?
	Nah.
	Nah, we did every.
	Okay, that was a good show.
	Thank you, guys.
	Okay.
	Good night, guys.
	Good night.
	07's in the chat.
	And we'll see you next Sunday.
	Good night, guys.
	Next time on the Whatever Podcast, the year is 2025.
	The dating hellscape descends upon us.
	With high expectations, Brian Atlas faces a new wave of e-girls, feminists, and strumpets.
	However, will a woke shitlib drop a controversial claim that sends the show into chaos?
	As values clash, will reason triumph or will feelings reign supreme?

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