Whatever Podcast - Brian DEBATES Perfect 10 Boss Babe On If Women Have Duties To Men?!

Aug. 11, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Brian DEBATES Perfect 10 Boss Babe On If Women Have Duties To Men?! | Dating Talk #254

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	Hi, my name is Ellie.
	I'm 18 years old.
	I'm from San Diego and I'm a student.
	Okay, where are you studying at?
	High school.
	You're still in high school?
	I'm still in high school.
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	I still am pretty stupid, though.
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	I am going into my senior year.
	Okay.
	And, okay, are you planning to go to college after?
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	And you were recently featured on Fish Tank.
	That I was.
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	Specify who you want, though.
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	And when was that?
	When was Fish Tank?
	It was a couple weeks ago.
	It aired July 13th.
	July 13th.
	No, June 13th, yeah.
	Okay.
	And is there somebody who wins it or how does that work?
	Well, yes, there usually is a winner, but our season kind of got cut short.
	I won't go into too much on why.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Is it like TOS?
	Kind of, yeah.
	Okay.
	Vaguely.
	All right.
	We don't have to get into it then.
	Okay, cool.
	Did you enjoy it though?
	I had a blast.
	Okay.
	Sounds fun.
	Rock and roll.
	Rock and roll.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Audrey.
	I'm 23.
	I do a bunch of stuff for work, makeup, prosthetic stuff.
	Right now I'm not in school, but planning to be a mortician at one point in my life.
	Sorry, 23, you said?
	23.
	23.
	Yes, the right school.
	Planning to be a mortician?
	Yeah, I went to school for it, and I really wanted to do it.
	But then life happened, and I was taking care of my mom.
	So I want to do some type of education thing, and that is what I have always wanted to do.
	So hopefully at one point, I'll be doing your grandma's makeup.
	I not yet, but I will.
	Oh, okay.
	You're still figuring that out.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Okay, cool.
	And so are you in college or anything like that?
	Not right now, but mortician school coming up.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Mika.
	I'm 27.
	I came here from Vegas.
	I'm a registered behavior technician.
	Okay.
	And I have my bachelor's in psychology from UNLV.
	I might get my master's this year.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Educated queen.
	Yes.
	We love it.
	All right.
	And do you do content creation too?
	Yes, I used to just for fun.
	Just for fun.
	You know, what were you doing?
	What?
	What were you doing for mostly like fashion, makeup?
	Yeah.
	Just being silly.
	I mean, you also did.
	Yeah.
	Let's not talk about it right now.
	It's still linked.
	You still haven't linked it.
	Well, you know, just, yeah.
	I don't know.
	You don't know what?
	It's up there.
	I take it down sometimes.
	I'm very like a wishy-washy person.
	So you're not currently actively doing it, is what you're saying?
	Sometimes.
	When's the last time you posted?
	I actually haven't posted.
	It's just like when people DM me.
	Well, you send them what, like, what is it called?
	Pay-per-views or whatever?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	When's the last time?
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, I haven't done a pay-per-view in like a year.
	People message you and you talk to them for free?
	No.
	It depends.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You want to elaborate a little bit or?
	I just don't know what I'm doing.
	So that's it.
	What do you mean?
	In life.
	In life?
	In general.
	Yeah, I don't.
	I'm like Barbie.
	I have 50 careers and I'm trying to figure out what I'm trying to focus on right now.
	So I understood.
	Okay.
	I saw in one of them that you described yourself as, hold on.
	Oh, gosh.
	Cool, you said it.
	Stand on it.
	You.
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	Let me get it.
	God, he's searching.
	So you have, okay, you have the bachelor's in psychology.
	You were or are a behavioral therapist.
	I saw on a TikTok of you being walked on the leash in public.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I love that for you.
	It's like a music video.
	It's art to me.
	Oh, okay.
	You describe yourself as a pet girl.
	Okay.
	Who loves, wait, who loves head pats.
	Yeah.
	And there's something else, but I'm not going to say that.
	So do you identify as a dog?
	Oh, my God.
	Like a, yes.
	You know how people like identify as an animal or whatever?
	Yeah, so sometimes, but that's like a mental illness.
	It's like a dissociative identity disorder.
	Yeah.
	But so are you a furry?
	Oh, I guess.
	I like cat ears, but I don't have a suit.
	It's too expensive and it's not my alley.
	Yeah.
	I forgot myself.
	Okay, but a pet girl is what?
	What's a pet girl?
	You don't want to be like someone's pet taken care of, you know, fed.
	It's like a sub-dom thing.
	Yeah.
	It's like a sub-deck.
	Right, but is it like, are you role-playing as an animal?
	No, not really.
	But like, I have like this.
	But you were walked on a leash.
	But that's not, I wasn't wearing cat ears or a tail or anything.
	And also, the leash wasn't around the neck.
	It was a fine.
	How did you find it?
	How'd you find that part of it?
	I think it was on your TikTok.
	I have like five.
	Yeah, it's on your TikTok.
	All right.
	Well, I hope it blows up.
	He does research before.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	Have you ever walked on all fours on the leash?
	No, not that much.
	It's just like a little bit, you know.
	Okay.
	Don't kink shame.
	I wasn't kink shaming.
	I'm not an animal.
	Good to know.
	What about you?
	Okay.
	My name is Jillian.
	I am 23.
	I'm from Dallas.
	I'm a waitress, and I also go to school for psychology at UNT, and I graduate next semester.
	And you're getting your bachelor's in arts, bachelor's in science.
	What are you getting?
	Bachelor's in science for psychology.
	All right, rock and roll.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Luna.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from Los Angeles, and I am a second-year psychology student at UC Santa Barbara.
	All right, welcome.
	And what part of LA are you from?
	Like Culver City.
	Culver City, got it.
	Okay, cool.
	And this is, so you're going into your second year or third year?
	Second year at UCSB.
	You said studying psychology.
	Yes.
	Rock and roll.
	What about you?
	Hey, I'm Renez.
	I think I'm probably the oldest one here.
	Prefer not to say my age.
	You look great.
	Do you prefer not to say your age because you think you're the oldest one here?
	Or even if there were somebody older than you here, you would still prefer to not say your age.
	So I prefer not to say my age only because I don't love giving dates if I don't have to.
	It's very much like we don't need like you were born October 15th in 1973.
	We don't need that.
	Just how old you are?
	Older.
	Okay.
	Anyway, so I'm a spiritual wellness entrepreneur.
	If I'm older than you, do you think I'm older than you?
	I have.
	How old are you?
	I don't know.
	I mean, we're probably maybe close.
	I'm just curious, like, if you go on a date with somebody, do you not tell them your age?
	No, yeah, I mean, obviously, I disclose once I feel like I want to spend time with this person.
	No, but like, are you on any dating apps, for example?
	Okay.
	How do you typically meet people?
	Out and about.
	Okay.
	So if somebody came up to you and they started chatting you up or whatever and they're like, oh, how old are you?
	You'd be like, I'm not, don't know you well enough, not comfortable enough sharing that information.
	Oh, yeah, totally.
	You wouldn't tell them?
	No.
	Do you want to give us a range?
	Like, were you alive during the presentation?
	You look so good.
	No matter how old you are, it's going to be a little bit more.
	Was Reagan president while you were alive?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	First term?
	First term or second terms?
	Wait, how many terms did Reagan do two terms?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Were you born in the 70s?
	I grew up in the 80s.
	All right.
	You're in your 40s.
	Are you in your 40s?
	Are you in your 40s?
	You see a picture of me.
	All right, there we go.
	I'll accept it.
	I'll accept it.
	49.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Pilar.
	I am 21.
	I am an MMA fighter from Arkansas, and I'm pursuing a bachelor's degree in health and wellness and then mining and exercise science at University of Arkansas in Little Rock.
	Gotcha.
	Sorry, I was still just wrapping my head around the previous unknown.
	You said 21, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you do MMA?
	Have you had any professional fights?
	I'm an amateur right now.
	Amateur.
	Okay.
	How many fights have you had?
	I've had four and I am undefeated.
	Undefeated.
	That's right.
	That is saving me.
	Thank you.
	And what's your do you have like a specific martial art that you specialize in?
	I'm pretty much all-around.
	My coach has really just coached me to be an all-around fighter because it's called mixed martial arts.
	So I mean, I don't like when people are like, oh, you're just a striker.
	You're just a ground girl.
	No, I can do stand-up.
	I can go to the ground.
	Yeah.
	Just whatever.
	Do you know how a lot of the fighters have a foundation?
	Yeah.
	Like, either they came from wrestling or they came from.
	I didn't come from anything.
	I came from just regular sports that I kind of just put myself into it.
	Do you have a belt in jiu-jitsu?
	Yes, I am a purple belt.
	I just got it like a month ago.
	Sweet.
	And you compete in jiu-jitsu also?
	Uh-huh.
	Sometimes.
	Gotcha.
	No gi, gi.
	No gi, and gi.
	Okay, very cool.
	Very cool.
	All right.
	Have you?
	How do you typically defeat your opponents?
	Is it decision?
	So knockout, TKO, solution.
	On my debut, like my first ever fight, I got a knockout, which I was pretty proud of.
	And I've done some kickboxing matches, which went to decision.
	All the judges scored for my corner.
	And then my last fight, I got a submission.
	I got a rear naked choke.
	I don't know if y'all know what that is.
	It's just like, I love you, choke.
	You choke.
	So I got that my last fight.
	Nice.
	Wow.
	Good shit.
	Okay, Felicity, what about you?
	My name is Felicity.
	I'm 19 from Santa Barbara, and I work for the whatever podcast.
	All right.
	School or anything?
	Yeah, I'm studying business.
	And what's your nickname?
	Felicity?
	Taylor Drift?
	Yeah, Taylor Drift.
	All right.
	It got reposted recently.
	I saw it.
	Yeah, I've been getting a lot more followers than that.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Well, welcome, everybody.
	We've got a good show in store.
	We're going to go around the table.
	Actually, wait, we got to do the Discord hookup.
	All right, guys.
	So it's discord.gg/slash/whatever.
	We're going to gift.
	You know.
	Yep.
	All right.
	So let's see here.
	You know what?
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	Marriage causes divorce.
	Okay.
	This is not too many people join, so technically, I guess.
	Okay, give it to, hmm, hmm, interesting.
	Interesting.
	You know what?
	We're going to give it to.
	Scroll back up.
	Marriage causes divorce.
	Congratulations on your gifted role.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	Ad role.
	Thank you.
	Yep.
	Soldier.
	Or sorry, recruit.
	Yep.
	All right.
	Welcome to the Discord, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so going around the table once more.
	What's your current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, relationship, whatever?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I am single and I have never not been single.
	Okay.
	Sorry, my brain just didn't register.
	So you've never had the boyfriends.
	Okay.
	Have you ever had anything with a guy?
	I mean, I've had crushes if that counts, but like, I mean, if you count, I don't like calling them talking stages if I've like texted.
	But like, no, I've never been on a date.
	I've never held hands.
	I'm pretty, like.
	Kiss?
	That's so cute.
	No kiss, nothing.
	Wow, okay.
	Cool.
	Are you but me?
	Oh, well, I guess just.
	You're looking at me like it was my turn, so.
	Are you looking for anything right now?
	Just trying to finish up high school, I guess.
	I mean, my guardians would like me to focus staunchly on school, which is understandable.
	But I mean, love is in the air, right?
	It's all around us.
	I think I want to date for marriage.
	Seriously.
	Okay.
	And if that comes along the way, then so be it.
	You mentioned guardians, so are you adopted?
	No, my sister is my guardian.
	Okay.
	But I heard guardians plural.
	Do you have another guardian?
	Well, I mean, her and her partner, but.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What's the story there?
	Well, my mom is a homeless meth addict, and I got removed from her when I was like 13.
	Okay.
	And my dad lives in Hawaii working.
	You've met him, though.
	Of course, yes.
	I'm not completely fatherless.
	Was the home intact originally?
	Like, were your parents married?
	Yes, they were.
	Okay.
	And they got divorced?
	They got divorced.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, it's all good.
	It was a little bit vague.
	Yeah, they had it pretty rough for a while, and then they split up when I was like eight.
	And my mom had custody of me, but then she did some silly stuff, and I wound up with my sister.
	When you say silly stuff, you mean I mean drug abuse.
	Okay, you said meth.
	Yes.
	Methamphetamine.
	Methamphetamine.
	Anything else?
	Not that I know of.
	Just the.
	Had she been using even in your childhood, or was that like a new development?
	It was like a resurfacing development.
	She like had some run-ins apparently when she was like a teenager, but then.
	So she had some problems when she was younger?
	Yeah.
	Then she sounds like she got sober, but then she fell back into addiction.
	Okay, and your dad, was he a user or no?
	No, he was not.
	Not a user.
	Dad's a great guy.
	They're both great people.
	Okay, so they split up.
	And you said you had one older sister?
	Yes.
	Half-sister.
	And any other siblings, or that's it?
	That's it.
	Okay.
	So you live with your sister?
	Yes.
	How old is she?
	32.
	Oh, 32.
	It's quite a gap.
	15 and a half years.
	How old were your parents when they had you?
	When they had me, my mom was 30.
	I'm not sure how old my dad was.
	Okay, so your mom had your sister when she was like 18 then?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Teenage pregnancy.
	Are you trying to follow in your mother's mind?
	I am really not trying to.
	If I want to end up in a box on the side of the road, if that's my five-year plan, then maybe I'll follow in her footsteps, but it's not looking like that right now.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, so you have, you live with your sister and her partner.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Husband.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	Maybe it was like a lesbian relationship.
	I feel like sometimes when people say partnerships.
	No, no, no, she's very drad.
	Okay.
	So, okay, never dated anybody, never had a first kiss, never held hands.
	You said you want to wait till marriage or you're marriage-minded?
	I mean, I haven't really put that much thought into it just because it hasn't been like put in front of me too much.
	But I'm feeling like I want to wait till marriage.
	I think that's a pretty valued thing to me personally.
	Are you Christian?
	I'm vaguely religious.
	So like I'm afraid of eternal damnation, but which religion are you vaguely associated with?
	Probably Christianity.
	I mean that's the Korean thing.
	You're Korean?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Full?
	No, half.
	My mom's Korean.
	Dad's.
	Vietnamese.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	Single right now and not looking to be anything else at all.
	Gotcha.
	Can I just, I forgot to do this before the show.
	Can I have you just tilt your mic down just a tad?
	So you're single, not looking for anything?
	No.
	You recently got out of a relationship, though, is that right?
	Yeah.
	Still traumatized.
	It was like a three and a half year relationship, something like that.
	Yeah, it was like the craziest whirlwind.
	Love him.
	Love you.
	But like good guy, really good guy.
	Just like so insecure, so jealous.
	Never let me do anything.
	He was.
	So insane.
	Like, yeah.
	Because I'm not jealous at all.
	Like at all.
	I've never been jealous.
	So it just didn't mix.
	Like he wanted me to yell at him.
	He wanted me to be like, why did that girl stare at you?
	Like I'm just not like that, you know?
	And he was too much.
	So we didn't match.
	You guys would go out into public together and he would hope that you would scold him for looking like we would like, yeah, and I'm very talkative and a flirty person naturally.
	Like, so I felt like I couldn't even be myself.
	Like if I was talking to other men and even women, because I like women and even women, he was like, a girl would compliment my makeup and he's like, oh, you're trying to do something with her.
	I'm like, what the heck?
	Like, they're not, not everyone's gay, you know?
	So like, it was that level of like every single person he thought I was trying to flirt with.
	So and you said it was a sexless relationship.
	Okay, yes, it was.
	That's what you wrote.
	Yes, we talked about it.
	I talked about it last time.
	Yeah, just new people.
	Yes, yes.
	It wasn't workable, so we didn't.
	I was in love with him.
	What can I say?
	I don't want to talk about it anymore because I felt bad.
	It didn't work because it wasn't big enough to use, you know, so, and I fell in love with him before I found out his penis.
	Yes.
	His penis.
	Yes, the penis.
	But it's all that doesn't.
	It's not the appropriate sex.
	Yes.
	But I was like, and I like it.
	Are you sure it was.
	Yeah, he keeps saying it's because I'm fat.
	It's not because I'm fat.
	I didn't say that.
	You said it.
	You said it last time.
	You literally came up like this.
	He said, do you have to go like this to have sex?
	Yeah, you did.
	I didn't say that.
	Yes, you did.
	Oh, you didn't say it, but you fit.
	Yes.
	I was.
	He did say that.
	Re-watch the clip.
	Fake news.
	Not fake news.
	Fake news.
	Disavow.
	It's okay, though.
	Fat people have sex.
	Here, using this.
	Oh, my God.
	Brian?
	Can you show us?
	You need to stop.
	Just.
	If I do it, can we stop talking?
	If I do this, we'll stop talking about this right after.
	100%.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Hold it so we can see the number.
	Three.
	Hold it.
	Three.
	Three.
	Yes.
	And an inch of it.
	Well, we're not going to.
	I don't want to go into detail, actually.
	He's a great guy.
	Amazing guy.
	Best guy I've ever met.
	You know, it's below average, but maybe there were.
	No.
	No.
	Even if you're skinny, what are you going to do with that?
	Be a skinny guy.
	No, it was.
	That's why I'm saying, even if he had a schlong, it probably wouldn't have worked either way because he was.
	Like I said, two fat souls don't work together.
	Yeah.
	But no.
	Like, even if you're skinny, three inches is not going to be shit.
	He was a big shit.
	He was big.
	He was big.
	Yes.
	Like, yes.
	He was big.
	We were like, he was bigger than me at the time.
	He's probably like, he was probably like, I don't know.
	He was big.
	Yeah.
	He was big.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	And you can't date a fat person when you're fat.
	It just doesn't physically work.
	Okay.
	So.
	So do you just date like skinny guys?
	Skinny, buff, sexy men.
	Yes.
	Yes, that's my text.
	And do you find, do they, do they...
	What?
	Have you ever encountered a feeder?
	Is what I'm trying to ask.
	Yeah, I told you about that last time.
	Yes, yes.
	What's your question about that?
	Have I ever, yes, I have.
	So, he just, what would he do?
	Just bring you food?
	No, I don't date, because that's the thing.
	Like, there's, I'm just fat because I'm fat.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm not like one of those fat people, which I love, love you all, but there's things called like feeders and feederism and stuff like that, which like men are sexually attracted to making women fat.
	Like, there's even a thing called death feederism, which is like they want them to die.
	They want them to be so fat that they can't take care of themselves, they can't wipe their ass.
	Like, they want to take care of them.
	It's like a thing.
	So, if you're in that relationship, get the fuck out, okay?
	Because that is crazy.
	So, I don't support that because I mean, I support everyone's fetishes, but when it comes to like, that is just ridiculous.
	To like want to make someone not be able to move, like, that's crazy.
	You're bad.
	I think I dated a feeder once.
	Like, she was trying to get me fat.
	She was trying to get you fat.
	Yeah.
	That's actually blame like about 10-15 pounds on her.
	Well, that's my ex-boyfriend, the one, he wasn't a feeder, but I mean, he was like, he wanted me to be bigger because he wanted no one to want me.
	So, like, I did gain most of my weight in that relationship because he was fat.
	It was like two alcoholics living together.
	Don't date a fat person if you're fat.
	Don't.
	It's bad.
	Yeah.
	I'm just putting a warning out there for my fellow fats.
	Yeah, that's that's that's a bit of a situation.
	Yes.
	When there's two fat people.
	Yes.
	And then all you do is like you both are into that.
	So then you do that.
	Like you go out and buy food.
	And then he would like bring me food all the time.
	And like that was like our activity.
	And I didn't think because I was so madly in love.
	I'm like, oh, who cares?
	Like, it's just, you don't kind of like realize like food is like, also, it's your health.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	I wasn't even like putting two together.
	I was like, oh, who cares?
	Like, I'm in love.
	This man loves me.
	Like, who cares if I'm fat as fuck?
	Like, it's a problem.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, you have to realize it's about your health too.
	It's not just about the way you look and if a man will date you, you know?
	Do you think a lot of guys low-key want like they have a thing for fat people?
	For rotund women.
	You're allowed to say fat.
	It's not offensive.
	And are you saying, do people have a type for that?
	Absolutely.
	You know how like some guys are down low, like they're gay?
	It's not down low.
	There's some guys.
	So I just got back from stopped.
	On the DL, just have a thing for you.
	Yes.
	For Ruben-esque fat people.
	Yes.
	Women.
	Yes.
	I just came back from the Vegas Bashes, which is like, it's literally a bash for fat people.
	Like, it's called a BBW Bash.
	And I, um, they use my photos to promote them and stuff.
	So that's actually what I do for work too.
	But, and it's like, the men there are like 10 out of 10s.
	Like, people don't understand.
	Fat girls can get whoever they want when they, like, in that realm.
	Like, there's people who are famous in my DMs, rappers, whatever.
	Like, people understand it's like a huge thing.
	They might be insecure about it, which is understood because of the way the world is.
	Like, people hate fat people, and that's just what it is.
	But lots of people are proud.
	Like, we'll hold my hand in public.
	Won't care.
	You know?
	You said rappers?
	You got some rappers.
	I don't drop names though, but my DMs are crazy.
	Yes.
	Are they prominent rappers?
	Yeah.
	I have over long.
	Kendrick?
	No, not like Kendrick, but like 3 million followers and above.
	Okay.
	Pretty top 40 on the charts.
	For sure.
	One of them is really popping right now.
	Yeah.
	I don't say names.
	Young Gravy.
	Yeah.
	He had a little thing with the clover.
	I know.
	I saw that.
	Yeah, but Chloe and me are not on the same.
	If he likes Chloe, he doesn't like me.
	She's never say never.
	Well, that's true.
	Because there's a lot of people who are just into women, you know?
	Yeah.
	So like, there's people who like me and they just like me because I'm a good person and whatever.
	But yeah, you don't have to have a fat fetish to date a fat girl.
	Like sometimes you just fall in love, you know?
	And are you trying to like lose weight?
	So I was even bigger than that.
	Like I gained a lot of weight in that relationship and I lost it.
	I lost like 70 pounds.
	Yeah, I was bigger than this.
	And then I maintained it because I'm going to do a TV show for a weight loss.
	So they kind of want me to stay fat.
	So I'm just like maintaining, but like exercising a lot so I can still do stuff.
	But yeah, I'm like very mobile and all that stuff.
	I'm just fat, you know?
	I do shit all the time.
	Sweet.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship and the longest I've dated is four years.
	Okay.
	How long have you been in the current relationship?
	Three.
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	When we had reached, been talking for a year or two, finally got you on.
	You were in a relationship when you initially reached out.
	I'm assuming it's the same one, same guy?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The four-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	Before my relationship.
	The four-year.
	You said you had a four-year.
	Who broke up with you?
	I guess I moved.
	I mean, I broke up because I had to move to Vegas.
	We just didn't work out.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll.
	Hold on.
	We have a chat coming through here from Jacob.
	Thank you, man.
	Jacob Joseph donated $199.
	Appreciate it, man.
	To Brian and the entire panel, would you rather fight a naked man or fight a man naked?
	And would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked?
	Oh, I get it.
	Okay.
	I get that.
	And would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a naked man?
	That's a superfluous fancy.
	I would want them to be clothed.
	And you naked?
	Yeah, because we got jujitsu girl over here.
	You know, if they got a collar on, like, you can do, you know, you can start pulling on the collar a little bit, do some fucking judo shit, some fuck, you know, there's some chokes you can do with certain, you know, so she knows, she knows what it is.
	Yeah.
	So you're naked.
	There's better.
	It's easier.
	You know, when you ever seen guys either posturing a fight or they do end up fighting and they take their shirt off, they do it for a reason because the shirt can be grabbed on to either create leverage or you can pull that shit over them in some way.
	So yeah, it's better to be the naked person.
	Maybe I should let you guys answer that before.
	So going around the table really quick, would you rather.
	It's so stupid.
	You guys answer the woman one.
	So would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked?
	In both scenarios, I think I would want the other person to be naked just because I'd be so embarrassed.
	I think if I was naked, I'd be more worried about being naked than fighting.
	But also, I'd just accept my fate.
	I'd like her along.
	That's a good point.
	Protect the neck.
	I'm assuming this is happening in a vacuum where there's nobody else around.
	No, I'm imagining if this is on the street.
	On the street in this vacuum.
	Okay, now I'm rethinking that.
	And it could be judo girl that knows no gi.
	So now the lapels don't even matter.
	Like, it's all come and limp.
	What do you pick?
	I don't know.
	I would rather be clothed than like.
	Clothes.
	Yeah, I want to be clothed.
	Clothes.
	I'd rather be naked.
	You want to be naked?
	Yeah, it'd be freeing.
	Like animalistic.
	There you go.
	I think I'd rather be clothed.
	Rather be clothed.
	What about you?
	I think I'd rather be naked.
	I think it's the safest.
	Into the mic.
	Sorry.
	Safest is to be naked.
	Okay.
	Clothed.
	Sweet.
	Thank you, Jacob, for that riveting question.
	Okay.
	We were, I think we finished up with you.
	What about you?
	Relationships.
	I am in a relationship.
	Okay, how long?
	Pretty new, like two months.
	Two months, okay.
	And my longest relationship was like three, four years.
	Okay, when did that end?
	Like November, October, November of last year.
	Okay.
	How long have you known your current boyfriend?
	Since January, like March.
	How did you guys meet?
	We worked together.
	Where?
	We are both servers.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	How long have you been single for?
	Probably since senior year.
	So a year?
	Wait, hold on.
	Like two years, technically.
	So you have had a relationship, though?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How long did that last?
	Probably like six months.
	Six months.
	So that was in high school.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Been single two years.
	Did you go to like prom together or?
	No.
	So he was actually a year younger than me.
	Okay.
	And I actually didn't end up going to my prom.
	I went to another school's prom.
	As a date for somebody else?
	I went as friends.
	Oh, you went with friends.
	Okay.
	Was it you went as friends with a guy or just like a group of girls?
	With a guy.
	Oh, did he think it was as friends?
	No, he knew the guy that I was going with.
	They played volleyball against each other.
	Wait.
	And it was a rival school.
	Wait, this was when you were dating your high school boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	Wait, you went to, while you were dating a guy, you went to prom with me.
	I promise you it's not that bad.
	I've known the other guy since I was like seven.
	The guy you went to prom with?
	Yes.
	Okay, you guys are friends, basically.
	Yeah, we're like really close friends.
	Is he secretly crushing on you though, or was he?
	I would hope not.
	His behavior at prom didn't really seem like it, so.
	Okay, so it's just friendly.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	In any case, you've been single for two years.
	Who broke up with who in the six-month relationship?
	I think it was more mutual because I was moving away and he would still be in high school.
	So you guys, go ahead.
	Sorry, I feel like coming into college in a relationship can be a little difficult because I feel like in your freshman year, it's best to kind of branch out and meet new people.
	And some boyfriends can find that like difficult because if you're meeting like other people that are guys, it's a little awkward.
	Okay.
	So you guys broke up at the end of your senior year?
	Yes.
	Okay, because you were going off to college.
	Are you in a sorority?
	I am not.
	Not in a sorority.
	Okay.
	Are you planning to join a sorority?
	I might rush.
	I actually have a bet going on with my friend because I told him about the idea of rushing and he's in a frat.
	So he thought it would be good for me.
	But I honestly, like, no hate if anyone's in a sorority.
	But I find them kind of useless.
	Maybe fraternities are one thing, but sororities, I feel like you can still get into any party.
	You can meet all new people.
	But it's kind of different if you're in a frat because it's like you can't get into other parties and the networking is better.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And so you just had finished up your freshman year at UCSB, number one party school in the United States.
	Did you see any guys during this time, you know, go on dates or any more casual, anything like that?
	I had a few little like almost dating situations.
	Okay.
	I came in here and I didn't really know anyone that was going here because no one from my high school went to SB.
	But there was this one guy.
	He's he was a third year, which probably would have been my first red flag, honestly.
	Why is that?
	A third year hitting on a freshman is a little, I find that a little alarming, but I feel like once you're in college, the age gap doesn't necessarily matter as much.
	But he was really great.
	We went on a lot of dates, but he kind of expected me to like be a stay-at-home mom and to cook and clean for him.
	And when I brought up the fact that I wanted to work and I wanted to like make my own money and be independent to myself, he kind of shot that idea down.
	And he was like, no, like, I'll take care of you, which is great, but it just wasn't my thing.
	And he is also in a fraternity.
	So he was actually getting with other girls while we were dating who are also freshmen.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you said that he wanted you to, like, you guys weren't living together though.
	No, but I would spend some nights like at his.
	Did you live at the frat house?
	Yes, which is a horrible place.
	If you guys are anywhere near frat man, never stay there.
	I promise you, it is disgusting.
	Literally, one of the worst housing situations I've ever been in.
	How many?
	Because oftentimes they just pack people into the rooms.
	Did he have a bunch of roommates?
	He only had one, and he would go home every weekend to see his girlfriend.
	Okay, gotcha.
	But so it sounded like he wanted like a kind of a traditional dynamic with you.
	So what were some of the things again that he wanted?
	Can you repeat this?
	He expected me to just be there for him to cook and clean and to just support him and whatever.
	But I grew up really independent and I always wanted to like make my own money and like have my own life.
	But he really wanted me to just literally be attached to his hip and be with him everywhere.
	Oh, so he wanted to hang out all the time?
	Yeah.
	And so was there an expectation that like you clean his room and stuff?
	I mean, oh, yes.
	So you cleaned his room.
	So I have actually cleaned his room a few times because he would be like, oh, the boys are playing like die right now or like tails.
	Like I gotta go.
	Like it's brotherhood event.
	And I was like, okay, cool.
	Like I'm gonna go home.
	And he was like, he was like, oh, yeah, but like really quick, can you just like pick up like the boys might come in here?
	Because his room was necessarily what we would call the chum room, which is just the room where all the frat brothers would be in and they just talk and they like hang out in there.
	I don't know why I did it.
	I probably shouldn't have, but yeah, it was a really interesting decision.
	Okay.
	I mean, how many times would you think you cleaned his room?
	Probably like three or four times.
	Okay, and you would you cook for him?
	No, I would never step foot.
	And there's frat kitchen.
	In the frat kitchen, it's like dirty pans, dishes all over the sink, rotting food.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But, I mean, you both are pretty young.
	You said he was talking about wanting you to stay home and have kids, but I assume that would be down the road, right?
	Yes, but since he was older, he wanted to kind of like kind of fit by whatever I'm on.
	So he was like, oh, I'll move to LA, get a job there.
	Like, so when you come home, like, we can be together and like stay in touch and whatever.
	Cause he's from San Diego.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And what were the other, I guess, traditional things that he wanted?
	He was super big on social media, so he kind of expected me to like post him and like kind of make it known that I'm with him, which was fine.
	And he would ask me, like, if I went anywhere that wasn't my class, he'd be like, where are you?
	Who are you with?
	Just kind of like, what are you doing?
	And I have a lot of guy friends, which might be a huge issue, but I thought it went both ways.
	I respected him because since he's in a frat, he has a lot of sorority friends.
	So I was like, yeah, like you can have your girlfriends and I can have my guy friends.
	I was more than happy to introduce them to each other.
	They actually got along pretty well, like even though we don't really talk anymore.
	Like he still hangs out with them a lot.
	So.
	Okay.
	And how long were you seeing him again?
	It really wasn't.
	Okay.
	So we went out for three months and then we stopped talking and we started talking again for another two months and then I ended it.
	And then that was it.
	And that was it.
	Okay.
	And you said he cheated on you?
	Yes, which I found out after we broke up because a lot of the girls, a lot of his sorority friends actually told me.
	And they'll be like, oh, wait, I don't want to name drop.
	But they'd be like, oh, like, I saw that like you and him were always together.
	Like, were you guys ever a thing?
	And I was like, yeah.
	And then they'll be like, oh, yeah, like, blah, blah, blah, got with him too.
	And then it was just kind of a long list.
	And it was really funny because it would be the nights that I was either back home or nights where I didn't swing by his frat.
	And it was really interesting because they would have like a family party, which is like your sister sorority and the brother fraternity could get together and they would have their own thing before opening it up to everyone else.
	So it'd be those nights that he had cheated on me.
	I mean, were you guys official boyfriend, girlfriend?
	We, well, I was aware that we were exclusive, but apparently not.
	But did you call him, like, were you boyfriend, girlfriend?
	We never really put labels on anything, but it was borderline boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Like, we went out and we would be seen together.
	Did either of you say you love each other?
	Yes.
	Okay, you both said that to each other.
	Yeah.
	And you said that there was an understanding that you guys were exclusive.
	So there was, was there an actual conversation?
	Like, essentially saying we're exclusive?
	Yeah, so we had that conversation.
	We both really wanted to date.
	And it was good.
	And then that's when all like, after that, the whole traditional thing started.
	And that's when he got like really serious and tried to like lock me down, kind of.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Would he ever get upset?
	Like, because I mean, a lot of people, especially freshman year, they like to go out, party on the weekends, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
	Yeah.
	Would he ever be upset or jealous when you went out?
	Yeah.
	So since we, I lived in the dorms my first year, obviously, and he lived in a fraternity house.
	I would obviously be going home with like my friends, and majority of my friends are guys.
	And he kind of would take it the wrong way, but we all lived in the same dorm.
	And they've been over at his, he's been over at mine while they're there.
	Like, I thought it was like a mutual, like, I'm not interested in Luna like kind of vibe.
	But other times he'd be like, oh, who are you with?
	And I would be like, oh, I'm with like my friends, like my guy friends.
	And he'd be like, no, you're not.
	Like, I know you're not.
	And yeah.
	Okay.
	And then you said the way you grew up, it was like I'm trying to recall exactly what you said because I think what you're trying to get at was he wanted this traditional dynamic, but you weren't really raised that way.
	Is that fair to say?
	I grew up really independent.
	Independent, yeah.
	That's fair.
	I'm adopted from Taiwan.
	Okay.
	And my adoptive parents have a son, like their blood child.
	And growing up, I always, he's actually watching this, really funny.
	He actually, we grew up, and I've always felt that they favored him more than me just because it was their blood child.
	I mean, they would spend like thousands of dollars for his club and like his club soccer and all the like gear and everything.
	And whenever I had asked, because I also played like club lacrosse, whenever I had asked, they would be like, no, we can't go to these tournaments because your brother has something or we can't get that for you.
	And it was just a lot of unfairness.
	And some days, like when I was 10, they would actually leave me at home because he would have early tournaments all the way, like in Silver Lake.
	And they would leave early and I would not want to get up.
	So they would leave me and I would just wake up to an empty house.
	So I've always like cooked for myself and I've like cleaned my room and like kind of took care of everything and like all the pets and stuff.
	So it was just you and your brother?
	Yeah, just me and my brother.
	No other siblings?
	I do have a half sister.
	Half sister.
	Half blood.
	Half blood.
	So she was also adopted?
	Yes, but she was adopted by another family in Orange County.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	And your brother, he's older or younger than you?
	He is older by two months and five days.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	Cool.
	And any other prospects or guys you dated?
	Are there any guys in the picture currently?
	Currently, no, there is nothing.
	Nothing.
	And I don't know if you're not going to be able to do that.
	Summer flame, nothing like that.
	Yeah, no.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	Single.
	How long have you been single for?
	Three years.
	Yeah, like three years.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	11 years.
	All right.
	Were you married?
	Nope.
	Never married.
	Never married?
	Okay.
	Any children?
	Nope.
	No children.
	Okay.
	The 11-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Okay, why is that?
	We just spent so many years together and we eventually just grew apart.
	He didn't want to support my dreams, and so it was just a hard no.
	What do you mean by he didn't want to support your dreams?
	What were your dreams and what was the support that you required?
	So, yeah, I guess when I would talk about where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do with my future, he really just didn't, he didn't want to support me having such lofty dreams.
	So it just, it wasn't fitting into his idea of a future partner.
	Okay, what were your dreams?
	Just to build my own empire and not to be underneath his thumb.
	What do you mean by underneath his thumb?
	Like, I guess being in a relationship for so long with someone, they have these expectations that they want you to, you know, either be at home or maybe just they want to have more time with you.
	That's how it felt.
	I wanted to pursue dreams.
	I wanted to be wanted to just be able to do whatever I wanted to do.
	And you wanted to be able to do whatever you wanted to do.
	Yeah.
	Which was what?
	Which, like, well, I mentioned that I was a spiritual wellness entrepreneur.
	So I have a couple different businesses.
	And part of that is picking up and going on like road shows, like just packing up, being able to hit the road whenever I want.
	And that was a problem.
	How so?
	Like, just you'd be gone for periods of time?
	Yeah.
	I'd be gone, not available for him, and just not available.
	Okay.
	Was you guys were dating in California?
	Yeah.
	This was, okay.
	Were you guys living together?
	No.
	So we lived together for maybe seven years.
	We broke up and then got back together and then broke up.
	So initially you were living together, broke up, moved out, got back together, but when you got back together, not living together.
	Is that fair?
	Yeah, we got back together and we did not live together.
	What was the reason for the original breakup?
	I believe I was just going a different way.
	Again, like I was on a different path and it just was, it was a non-alignment kind of thing.
	And I think we just tried again because we'd have been each other's life for so long and I helped raise his kids.
	And so, yeah, I think there was like a maybe we should give this another shot kind of deal, but ultimately it just wasn't.
	How many kids did you have?
	Two.
	Two.
	Okay.
	So you were like kind of stepmom a little bit or yeah, for a while.
	Okay.
	When you say he wasn't supporting your thing, you said you wanted to go out on the road to travel to different places for your business.
	When you say he wasn't supportive, like was he not, were you, was there an expectation he helped pay for this?
	No.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	No, no, not at all.
	I've always made my own money.
	I've never asked for money from him at all.
	So it was more supportive on the side of, hey, this is, you know, this is what I want to do.
	Like, this is, this is where I want to go with my future.
	Like, are you okay with that?
	And it was like, not really okay with it.
	So.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So you said you've been single for three years.
	Is this the guy that you've ended things with three years ago?
	Yeah.
	So I mean, I've dated, but and then it took a really long break just from dating, like a year and a half.
	I didn't date after I left that relationship.
	And then started dating.
	And I just.
	So if he was here, he would say, you know, you said he wasn't supportive of your business, your journey, whatever.
	What do you think he would say?
	Would he disagree with you?
	I think he would say that I probably didn't want to accept his support in some sort of way.
	He, yeah, I think that's what his take would be about it.
	Wait, you didn't want to accept his support?
	Yeah.
	Like, he would say, oh, I was, I was there for you, or I'd support you, but then I don't think he was, he wasn't there emotionally for support.
	But I think we just have different views about it.
	So.
	Okay.
	You describe yourself as a spiritual advisor.
	You do soul alignment consultations.
	Can you explain what a spiritual advisor is?
	Yeah, so I guess I jumped into spirituality about 12 years ago, and I came from a very corporate technical background.
	So I lived in Silicon Valley for many years and then transitioned out of Silicon Valley years ago and started spiritual wellness coaching for the last three or four years.
	So some of my clients come from corporates where they just want a transition.
	They want out.
	They want, they're just looking for a way out.
	They're looking for something new.
	Wait.
	Can't they just quit?
	Not everyone can just quit.
	But I mean, looking, so, okay, they're corporate drones.
	They're looking for a way out.
	Do you need to go to a therapist for that?
	Personally, I'm not a therapist.
	Okay, so I guide you to be an advisor.
	Like, how do I quit?
	Isn't it just like, just quit your job?
	Isn't that the extent of okay?
	Okay, people want to leave their corporate jobs.
	What do you tell them?
	Don't leave your corporate job without a plan in place.
	Well, wouldn't.
	So that's like you'd be advising them for financial like come on no, financial like a spiritual plan, because you say you're a spiritual advisor.
	So what spiritual advice would you impart on somebody who's looking to quit their corporate job?
	So that comes in when we go through um, different tools to utilize to get them to know themselves on a deeper level.
	So what happens is a lot of people just don't understand their gifts, and so they're looking for a way out, but they don't know what they're truly gifted at.
	And that's where I come in.
	Okay, so can you give us a like an example of, like a success story, I guess?
	Or oh yeah um, so I mean, I work with, so I'm, I'm an energy healer as well.
	So, like Reiki yeah Reiki Reiki right Reiki Reiki, Reiki.
	Is there other forms of energy healing?
	Or yes, what?
	What other are?
	Uh, do you have to go to school for that?
	Or how do you become a whatever that is?
	Yeah, you said an energy healer yeah okay, what's that?
	Um well, I do Reiki, I'm a Reiki master.
	So master Reiki master, that you do get certified for that?
	Yeah, how do you?
	How long do you have to study that to become a master?
	Um, you can probably knock it out in like a couple months to become a master yeah, an energy master.
	Well, do you?
	Can you take online classes?
	For that is like, yeah I I, I took mine in person.
	There's a.
	Is there a school here in Santa Barbara, or Yeah, there's practitioners here that do and they're, how much does it cost to become a certain?
	Maybe Did you get 1500 or something, 1500.
	Okay, yeah, and you're you're a master there's different levels What's after master?
	Um, so there's like different levels within the master.
	So I'm like at the lower level of you're like Super Saiyan level one There's like three levels overall, but um what level are you at?
	So Reiki, so there's like regular Reiki and then there's a Reiki master.
	You've done extra hours and then like within the Reiki master system, there's a couple different levels.
	So just depending on how long you've been doing it.
	Yeah, but which level are you at?
	I just come in at like the like bottom of the Reiki Master, yeah.
	The bottom level.
	Yeah, I would say.
	I've only been doing it for like 10 years.
	Can you demonstrate some Reiki on her?
	What about Luna?
	I don't touch anyone.
	Yeah, yeah, but don't you wave your hands around?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Can you do it to Luna?
	Well, I mean, it would be like, I don't touch her physically, but like my hands go over here.
	Do you feel that, Luna?
	Yes, I feel the energy.
	Wait, do demonstration, do a demonstration.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah, so I would put hands like around the neck right here, like this on the head.
	Is Wayne Bream gonna have the choca bitch?
	Damn, that's crazy.
	Okay, cool.
	Do you feel better now, Luna?
	Yeah.
	She was actually dealing with severe depression, but now I think she's cured.
	So thank you for that.
	Thank you, Luna.
	Okay, so you're a Reiki.
	How do you say it, Reiki?
	Reiki.
	Reiki.
	Yeah.
	Like Reiki.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	You're a master.
	What do you say to people who don't believe in that sort of thing?
	They don't think it works.
	What do you say to them?
	I'm not saying that.
	I don't think you're.
	I'm not saying that.
	What do you say to those people that do say that it's, I'm not saying this, but like the people that say it's bullshit.
	What do you say to those people?
	I'm not saying that.
	They say that.
	Oh, my gosh.
	He said that four times.
	I think he's saying that.
	What do you say to those people who say that?
	That it doesn't work.
	I mean, I would just say, like, you believe in, you know, there's people that believe in God.
	There's people that believe in energy.
	So if you believe in any of those things, then it's the same thing.
	It's the same thing.
	You believe in something that you cannot see.
	It's like the same thing as God, like the Christian God?
	Like, take God in general.
	You don't see God, do you?
	You don't see a person sitting at the table with us.
	You don't see God in a physical form.
	Sure, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Same thing, Reiki is, it's all energy.
	What do you think?
	I have a couple crystals here.
	I don't know if you noticed them.
	I did notice.
	Have you felt any energy from the crystals?
	No, I have not.
	You don't believe in crystals?
	I do believe in crystals a lot.
	So you're saying my crystals are fraudulent?
	No, I'm saying I personally.
	I have two here and then this one here.
	Oh, I can't see you all.
	These are actually defensive ward crystals and they protect against demons, witches, e-girls.
	Embalming women who study embalming.
	Negative entities.
	Does that make me a bad person?
	No, but it does defend against.
	Okay.
	Okay, so spiritual advising.
	Can you explain that a little bit?
	It's just coaching.
	Coaching.
	Yep.
	How much do you charge for that?
	Like a session?
	It depends what you're looking for.
	Like, what's your most expensive package?
	Like, if they're wanting it all, how much are you charging for that?
	Like, I do 12-week transformation packages that, like, I that's what I prefer, and those are 1100 and 111.
	Wow, make that money, girl.
	Yep, yep, I support it.
	I charge $999 for my, I'm undercutting you, by the way, for my spiritual consulting practice.
	If anybody wants to procure my services for spiritual consulting, I will do so.
	$999.
	Okay.
	All right, that's cool.
	You've been single for three years.
	Have there been any guys in the picture in the past three years?
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's been a lot of dating, but I would say nothing that I've really would like to entertain for long-term benefits.
	Okay.
	So you maybe a couple months or something you saw some people?
	Yeah, off and on.
	But I mean, right now, no, I'm not seeing anyone in particular that is special.
	Do you believe in manifestation?
	Oh, yes.
	Manifest.
	Oh, yeah.
	Are you a manifestation baddie?
	Well, yes, I am.
	All right, that's cool.
	What is manifestation?
	What's that?
	It's, I mean, to put it easily digestible, is it's really intention.
	Intention?
	Yeah, comes down to intention.
	Can I manifest?
	Can I manifest right now?
	Like, how do I do that?
	Yeah, you can manifest right now.
	Get into existence.
	What do you want?
	What do I want?
	I want somebody to send a champagne pop.
	I want to manifest a champagne pop for the show.
	So I don't know if somebody wants to.
	No, no, no.
	It's not that I'm manifesting it.
	So.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	All right.
	How much is a champagne pop?
	Can you manifest anything?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Like, can I manifest?
	No, what?
	Oh, God.
	Like, anything?
	You can manifest anything.
	If you have an imagination and you can actually visualize it, yes, you can manifest it.
	All your thoughts are.
	Like, if I just wanted a meteor right now to just, and sorry, asteroid to just come barreling through the studio.
	But not like a really small one.
	So it just kind of gave Nick like a just got Nick's hair.
	Like it just scalped him.
	But he still lives.
	Could I?
	Do you think I could manifest that?
	You're taking it so literal.
	There are laws in the manifestation world that, you know, you can't, you cannot manifest things that are going to actually hurt other people.
	So I think that would be an upgrade for me.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	That would be right, Nick.
	That would be kind of dope.
	Probably.
	Probably.
	Okay, what about I want fine.
	I won't hurt Nick.
	I want a bald eagle to fly into the studio with a duffel bag full of hard drives full of Bitcoin and cash.
	Preferably $5 million in cash in $2 bills.
	How do I manifest that?
	You guys don't get any, by the way.
	It's just for me.
	Very selfish manifestation.
	I selfishly manifest.
	How do I do that?
	That's so like, I don't think I can even drop secrets on that because if you're not going to share, then I'm not going to share rude.
	Yeah.
	Well, okay.
	Well, I'm not going to share my manifestation techniques with you, too.
	Then he's gatekeeping.
	Gatekeeping.
	Okay.
	FPS.
	Yo, chat, is the FPS kind of scuffed?
	My producer, Nick, says he's had his eye on the manifestation or the FPS.
	Can we manifest some good FPS for the stream boys?
	We need some.
	But chat, has the FPS, so does it look jumpy if I go like this?
	Is it a little, I kind of see it, does it look a little jumpy a little bit?
	I don't know.
	What about this angle?
	This is clean.
	That's clean.
	But here looks a little jumpy, doesn't it?
	What does the chat say, Nick?
	Is the FPS scuffed?
	Choppy?
	Yeah, choppy.
	Choppy.
	Maybe we have to.
	Well, we'll keep an eye on it, Nick.
	Can you tell me in like five minutes if it's still scuffed?
	All right, that's cool.
	Relationship status for you?
	You?
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah, moving on.
	I'm single.
	Okay, how long have you been single?
	Since 2021.
	Four years?
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Y'all are going to laugh.
	Two days.
	Oh, my God.
	And my only relationship.
	All right.
	I don't even count that as a relationship.
	What happened there?
	What's the story?
	So I was a freshman in the same college I'm going to and kind of dated a wrestler at my college.
	And I told my coach about it.
	He was happy for me, but he was like, if you, you know, want to pursue MMA, you're not, you don't really need a boyfriend at the time because I told my coach I want MMA to be my career, which it is now.
	And it was like, I think four or five months before my first ever fight.
	So I was pretty focused on my fight.
	And my coach was like, that's going to be a distraction.
	And so my coach kind of told me to end things.
	And he understood.
	So I ended things after two days.
	And I'm here now.
	So.
	All right.
	Cool.
	And that was your only like anything?
	Yeah.
	Basically.
	You're also a Christian, correct?
	Okay, so you're waiting until marriage.
	Okay.
	Have you had a like a first kiss?
	Yeah.
	Okay, you've had that.
	Ellie's the, okay, I guess the she's still trying to make it happen.
	You also wrote here.
	Yeah, so you broke up with him.
	Your coach told you you need to focus on the MMA.
	But so you're Christian, right?
	Yeah.
	What denomination of Christianity are you?
	Well, I actually go to a non-denominational church.
	I grew up in a non-denominational church.
	I don't really, like, I call myself a Christ follower, but if y'all hung out with me, I'm not a like judgmental Christian.
	A lot of them.
	So the Christians I've been around, some of them, not all of them, are very judgmental.
	They'll tell you, oh, you don't need to wear this.
	You don't need to eat this, like all religious stuff.
	But if you have a relationship with God, you don't really need a set denomination, really, because there's Catholics, there's Mormons, there's all these different denominations.
	But I feel like if you just have that authentic relationship with God, you shouldn't have to put a label on what you are.
	Okay.
	Chat, what is this called Sola Scriptura?
	Is that what that's called?
	Where they just, so do you, you don't go to church then?
	I do go to church.
	Oh, okay.
	It's a non-denominational church then?
	Okay.
	Can I'm a little curious here?
	Yeah.
	So the church you go to, there's no like biblical prescriptions that they advise?
	There are some, like they'll talk about fasting.
	Like they talk in New Testament and Old Testament stuff.
	They talk about fasting, praying, the apostles, Jesus, resurrection, all that stuff.
	But my church is not the pushy type of church.
	Like we're like, come as you are, and they're very welcoming.
	And say if somebody, like everybody sins, but say if somebody really sinful just got off the streets, came into our church, our church is not going to be like, oh, you can't be here.
	Like we're going to show you the love like Jesus would show you, basically.
	But you're saying there's certain religious doctrines or Christian doctrines that you would not adhere to?
	Like it's kind of up to you to pick and choose which like I know Catholics, I think they pray to Mary.
	I'm not a Catholic.
	I don't.
	I pray to God.
	You mentioned something about the way you dress.
	Oh yes, yes.
	Right.
	So you'll dress revealing, is what you're saying?
	Not too revealing.
	I mean, I'll wear crop tops and I'll wear like a tank top, but I know some like you know.
	Question, do you believe in when you're married?
	Do you believe that wives should be submissive to their husbands from a Christian worldview?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So if your husband said, hey, I don't want you doing MMA anymore, would you quit?
	I don't think I would date a guy that wouldn't want me to do my career, but I think I'll be retired when I get married, so that wouldn't be a problem.
	I would just, I don't know, that would probably be a big argument for.
	Yeah, but is it possible that you could be married while you're still actively so you would just on your own opt to retire?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But say you met a guy like today and then you get married a year from now.
	And he tells me to quit MMA.
	Right.
	Well, how long do you want to be doing MMA?
	Until I get to the UFC.
	And.
	Because most people have careers into their late 20s, into their 30s in the UFC.
	So, I mean, you could be.
	I could be there for a long time.
	Like, who's that?
	The woman who's had a she recent, like, I mean, within the past year or two, was defeated, but she was super.
	Do you know who I'm talking about?
	Was she blonde-headed?
	No, she's Brazilian.
	Was it Amanda Nunes?
	I think Amanda Nunes.
	Yeah.
	She's 37.
	She is still competing, apparently, I guess.
	So, I mean, could you see yourself competing into your mid to late 30s in the UFC?
	Probably not.
	I want to retire by 30.
	Okay.
	Because with the sponsorships I have now, like, I'm making pretty good money.
	And once I like break into the UFC, there's more opportunities and endorsements and all that stuff.
	And I feel like if you do your money right and make it work for you, you can retire from a good standpoint like at 30.
	But I would still kind of work, like do seminars, travel, but not fight.
	Because it does take a toll on your body.
	Would you want to have kids?
	As of right now, no.
	Don't want kids?
	No.
	Well, not now, but could you see yourself?
	I really don't think so.
	You don't think so?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's say you get married at 25, though, and your husband says, eh, I just want you to quit doing MMA.
	Do you do it?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, that's it.
	Go ahead, Felicity.
	Single.
	I've been single for two months.
	My longest relationship was two years.
	Single for two months?
	I don't know.
	It's just on again, off again with you, with the guy, right?
	No.
	I have no idea.
	Okay.
	All right, cool.
	We have a soup chat here from Josh Brooks or a Streamlabs message.
	And he says, you know what, Ellie, you get to read these.
	Go ahead and read it.
	I have an all-important question for the panel, Brian.
	Most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge storage stories.
	Embarrassing for either person, something that really stuck with you.
	Did you adopt Kat?
	Question mark?
	Oh, yeah.
	I have.
	Do we still have the photos, Nick?
	I'm going to see if we have the photos.
	April.
	Can I read that again?
	I like did not understand that.
	Oh, so I mean, just pose to the panel, most embarrassing dating story or hookup story, I guess.
	Anybody have an embarrassing dating or hookup story?
	I have one.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I was making out with this guy in high school, like on his bunk, on his bunk bed, and it was dark.
	And we're like getting into it and having a good time.
	And then I like look like one like this and I see that there was blood all over his face.
	And I was like, and then I looked in the mirror and I saw there was blood all over my face.
	I got a bloody nose.
	And I, my first bloody nose I've ever gotten in my life, ever.
	I've never, and I still have never gotten one since then.
	And it was like, it was bad.
	It was like carrying there.
	Did you end up staying with that guy for a while?
	Yeah, you know, it was nice because he was one of those guys that didn't care.
	And also he was like a freak, like weird freak.
	So like he.
	Well, then you know it was like serendipitous.
	He was meant to be.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes.
	Blood brother.
	Blood brothers.
	Blood brown.
	Yeah.
	You must have been making out like hard.
	No, I think it's because I was like down.
	I was like on top, you know, like and I was like down for a long time.
	So maybe the gravity just, I don't know what happened.
	Is it winter?
	Could have been drinking.
	Maybe it was dry.
	I don't know.
	But it was what's crazy is how we didn't notice or taste the blood.
	Like it was everywhere.
	Like I go up and it's everywhere.
	It was bad.
	So that was pretty bad and embarrassing.
	That's better than what I thought you were going to say.
	Yeah.
	You said blood.
	Oh, that has not happened to me.
	Thank God.
	But no.
	I have one like that.
	Speaking of blood, but that kind of blood, actually.
	Okay, so I'm bi.
	So I was with a woman at the time and we were drinking.
	We were drinking a lot.
	And I remember we were like at her house, just in her room, getting things started, you know.
	And she goes down there, starts munching.
	And I was like, oh, I'm really wet right now.
	Oh, and then she pulls her face away.
	It's like covered in blood.
	And I remember being like, oh no, like I did not know I started.
	And then she was just like, went back in, went back in for it.
	And I was like, okay, whatever, whatever feels right, you know?
	I loved it.
	But like, yeah, 10 minutes later, she got sick.
	And, you know, I felt really embarrassed because I was like, maybe it's because of me, but I think it was just because she was drinking.
	I don't know, you know.
	Also, maybe it's just because it's blood.
	That too.
	That's true.
	Why did you go back in?
	If I thought too hard about it, I'd probably also get sick.
	So I was like, but it was kind of embarrassing.
	But fun, nonetheless.
	Do you guys care about that?
	Guys?
	Every guy that I've met, they tell me they don't care about that.
	I don't think I've ever seen that.
	Having sex, no, like, I feel like I've never had an issue.
	Like, every guy I've been with, they've never had, like, they just put a towel down, but I'm not letting you eat my cooter.
	Well, I'm like, what the heck?
	Like, that's just insane.
	That's insane.
	I mean, I'm not saying, like, love that she did that for you, but I'm not going to let someone.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	That's weird.
	And, like, if I knew, if I knew, like, if it was on accident, it happened.
	And they're like, go on, you know?
	I knew and I let her keep doing it.
	I was like, if you're enjoying that, I'm enjoying it too.
	Go right on ahead.
	No, they're saying yes.
	I guess that's fine.
	They're the freak ones.
	That was pretty freaky.
	Yeah, I think I'm with you.
	I wouldn't, if I knew, I was.
	It was that time.
	It'd just be, yeah, let's pass on that.
	But like, sex, fine, but, like, not.
	Because it's fine.
	Like you take a shower and it's like totally fine.
	Like, it doesn't even get messy unless like you're it's like really bad, you know.
	Doesn't smell it depends.
	No, like when you shower, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	If they're down there with their nose, but if they're just having sex with the fucking sex on our period, would you have sex with someone on their period?
	Be honest.
	Don't be generally no, it's not my preference.
	Your girlfriend, you're dating your girlfriend for two years and you wouldn't have sex with her on our dating her for two years.
	We've done fucked already hundreds of times.
	Why we can we don't have to every day.
	See, that's the thing.
	I feel like if you're a boyfriend, like you should, that's like ridiculous.
	Like, I feel like no, the argument would be the reverse.
	The argument would be the reverse.
	If you're in a relationship with a girl, there's no need to then go and have sex on her.
	But girls are hornier on their period.
	Okay, cool.
	That's great.
	Congrats.
	But so I can see the potential argument if like there's a guy who's inclined to have a like a casual encounter and that's the only opportunity to do it.
	A guy might be more willing to do it under those circumstances, but why?
	No, I don't, I think it's fine if you don't want to, if you're like grossed up, but I feel like even in a like if I'm dating someone for like 10 years and every time I'm on my period, they say no, like that wouldn't, I wouldn't like that.
	Like I feel like what's wrong with that?
	I just, I'm saying that's my preference.
	I don't like that.
	No, because I'm saying like, yeah, that's like you're on your period.
	It depends on like three to seven days or whatever.
	That's a long period of time.
	And if you're horny, if a dude bled out of his dick, would you want to fuck him for once, you know, a couple days out of the month?
	Would you, you know, maybe just be like, you know what?
	Maybe we don't have sex when your dick's bleeding, you know?
	You know?
	Would you?
	See, I wouldn't like it.
	That's the thing of preference, obviously.
	He's depositing his dick blood into you.
	But at that point, we're like, you're he's depositing other stuff.
	We're like in a relationship.
	Like, what's the same thing as you're like, other stuff's fine?
	Okay.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You don't need to every time, but I'm saying, like, your girlfriend comes up to you and is like, I need it right now.
	Like, if you said no, that's like, I would be, my feelings would be hurt.
	If my boyfriend, my long-term boyfriend.
	I hope you feel better by tomorrow.
	That's great.
	That's that.
	Okay.
	Your feelings are hurt.
	Yeah, that's okay.
	Okay.
	You don't need to fuck the blood.
	It's okay.
	Who here?
	So, who asked that?
	Was that you?
	No, I was saying I got a bloody nose while I was meeting out with someone, and then she said she had a bloody coochie while she was smoking with someone.
	And then she asked the question.
	I mean, isn't there like this comedian, Allie Wong?
	She has this joke about how she was seeing this guy, and she, but she told him, Hey, I'm on my period.
	And he said, Well, I guess we're gonna have to make a fucking mess, aren't we?
	Oh, I love that energy.
	And she said that was the most romantic thing.
	Yes, like a girl, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, wouldn't you rather a girl be like, oh my God, like, like, that would make them so horny instead of like you being like, uh, babe, like, yeah, she'd be horny another day.
	Oh, my fucking what?
	Okay, I guess that's true, but like, a girl doesn't like that.
	Like, a girl wants like you to be so into them that you would fuck them no matter what.
	I think a lot of girls get it.
	They're like, no, I understand that.
	Yeah.
	I get that too, but that's something you just said made the claim.
	Like, the girl, she thought that was hot.
	She said, I'm going to make a mess.
	She said that.
	Yes.
	I don't know.
	There's other women here.
	Are you guys down with the period sex?
	Or do you prefer to not have sex when you're on your period?
	It's interesting.
	Yeah, that's not helpful.
	It's not preferable.
	Not at all.
	But if you're, it's like, and it just depends on like if you're, if this has been a long-term boyfriend, like sure.
	If it's someone new, no, thanks.
	I'd probably, you know, I'd wait.
	I'd wait a while.
	Like, don't introduce that right away, I suppose, is my take on it.
	I wouldn't.
	But at that point, like, once you've been dating somebody for a while, you're not pressed to have sex.
	So then it's like, well, we might as well have sex when all the factors are as optimal as possible.
	What?
	Okay.
	I've never ran into a man that wouldn't be okay with it ever.
	That's just the truth.
	Unless I'm hooking up with them.
	Okay.
	Well, say it.
	Don't worry about it.
	Say it.
	No, you're good.
	That could just be what?
	The men that I'm talking to?
	Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
	All my girlfriends, same thing.
	Like, that's a turnoff to them.
	If you're dating someone, like, we're just talking, it's one thing.
	But if you're my boyfriend, we're talking about boyfriend.
	Boyfriend's different.
	What about it?
	Okay, just your opinion.
	I'm having sex on my period.
	I don't give a fuck.
	You know?
	What if he doesn't want to?
	You're going to be all pouty about it.
	I'm just going to go in my room when my buzz buzz, and I guess I'll be okay then, too.
	But like, I mean, I'm going to be a little.
	Wait, do you even want to masturbate when you're on your period?
	If you take a shower, like, an actual shower, like, you're good for a couple, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, obviously, it's not, like, and if it's a light day, like.
	Can you tilt your mic or just scoot your mic that way?
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you.
	All right, that's cool.
	Anyways, off of the blood convo, I guess.
	Oh, Nick, we forgot to do the fire thing.
	Yeah, let's pull it up.
	By the way, guys, I meant to mention this at the beginning of the stream.
	Guys, there's a freaking fire miles away from our studio.
	There's been some issues with the internet connectivity.
	Oftentimes, when there's fires, it impacts.
	You know, there's sometimes rolling blackouts, this sort of thing.
	So if you guys note, right by the monitor here, right by Santa Barbara, it just shows Santa Barbara.
	Yeah, yeah, right there.
	That's where we're at.
	The fires are just up north a little bit.
	So 40,000 acres, the Gifford fire.
	My goodness, guys.
	So there's haze, there's smoke.
	We, you know, I want you guys to be thankful of this panel.
	We are all sacrificing, doing major sacrifices to put the show on.
	Some of these women might not even survive the fire.
	We're going to keep streaming until the fire is literally outside our windows and engulfing the entire building.
	Okay.
	You can see the smoke.
	All gas, no breaks.
	Yeah, you can.
	Yeah.
	It's hazy.
	Anyways.
	And then there was also a tsunami a couple days ago, too, which was deeply, you know, it had a huge impact on the podcast.
	There was the tsunami here in California.
	So, you know, us here at the whatever podcast, we, the show must go on.
	Must go on.
	Okay, good talk, guys.
	So, no.
	Anybody have some, any disagreements?
	I know some of you aren't super familiar with the show, but some of you have seen the show before.
	Anybody have any disagreements?
	Why don't we just jump into those?
	Anybody?
	With me, with the show, something I've said?
	No, do I have to prompt you?
	Okay.
	I will prompt.
	Let's see.
	Who did we?
	Jillian, you disagree.
	You write that you're moderately liberal and emotionally inclined.
	Not sure what that means.
	So you tend to default towards supporting individualistic rights.
	And you say you think sometimes people on the show can be quite closed-minded.
	Why don't you, I guess, explain that?
	Okay.
	When I said people on the show can be closed-minded, I didn't only mean like you.
	I meant just like everybody.
	Sometimes when I hear opinions, it just means like I hear people and they're like so like stuck in one opinion.
	I feel like I'm very much able to like listen to a lot of opinions and I can see both sides a lot of the time.
	Okay.
	I just say moderately liberal, but I would say more like moderate.
	And I only say emotionally inclined because a lot of people put, like, I don't know, more tolerant people in a liberal category when I don't think necessarily I'm either one.
	I'm just more tolerant, I'd say.
	Okay.
	What are the when you say you support individualistic rights, what are you talking about?
	Like the trans debate, like LGBTQ.
	Like, even if I might not agree with everything personally, I'm still going to respect everybody's decisions and opinions.
	Okay.
	Is there anything specifically that you've heard on the show that maybe I've said that you disagree with?
	I guess not that I would say necessarily disagree with.
	I've heard y'all talk about the trans debate a couple times.
	Me and my boyfriend were watching a couple clips the other day, and y'all were talking about how carnal knowledge, if it was like a trans woman or like a trans man, like does that make it like gay or straight?
	And like, I feel like some of them, like, I agreed with some of them, but also like I was like debating with him about it.
	Because if you look like a man and you're presenting as a man, and let's say you're a straight man, but you're getting into it with like a trans man.
	So they were born a woman, but they present as a man.
	Okay.
	I would think you're a little bit, a little bit gay if you're like presenting as a man going for another man, even if they like were born a woman.
	Does that make sense?
	Wait, hold on.
	So you're saying that they were born female.
	So if they were born female, but they become, they're a transgender man.
	Yes, so they were born female and then they like transition to be a male, even though they have female anatomy.
	But if you're a man going for someone who presents as a man, that makes you kind of gay, even if they have female anatomy.
	Okay, so then by extension, a man who, or wait, hold on.
	A man who goes for a trans man?
	That's usually not the framing for the argument.
	The framing for the argument is a cis, I hate this term, cis man who dates a transgender woman.
	That's gay.
	Well, yeah, because they have male anatomy potentially.
	But if it's a transgender man, they were born a woman, so they have female anatomy, which a lot of people would argue is like straight relationship because they have female anatomy, but they look like a man.
	So if you're a man dating someone who looks like a man, I would think you're a little bit gay, even though you're going for someone who has female anatomy.
	When some people would argue that's straight.
	Oh, okay, I see.
	So they, okay.
	Wait, is it post-op?
	So it's a female who has like a penis, penis added.
	Right.
	Yeah, that would, I feel like, or do they still have a vagina?
	Even if they still have a vagina, if you like, are appearing as a man, like let's say you have like facial hair and like you look like you, but you have like a vagina, like I would think they're, they're a little bit gay.
	I really think they are.
	Well, it's only because they argue that they're straight because they still have a vagina.
	So they're like, I have a penis and they have a vagina.
	So it's a very good idea.
	I mean, I see what you're saying.
	That's typically not how the argument is framed, but I'm happy to engage with that.
	So I would say that so the actual act of having sex with that person, that wouldn't, I don't think that'd be categorized strictly as a homosexual act.
	You're saying the woman still has an intact vagina, or the trans man has an intact vagina.
	Okay, yeah, in this scenario, sure.
	Right.
	So there would be some questions as to his sexuality because he finds this masculine appearance attractive.
	The specific act itself, I wouldn't categorize it as a homosexual act.
	Right.
	Is this person hypothetically also attracted to just straight up men also?
	I don't know.
	If they're attracted to straight up men, also, then they're just gay.
	Right.
	Yeah, so I mean, I would say that.
	Gay is gay.
	I would say that this wouldn't fall strictly under the definition of homosexuality because if they're aware that this person has a vagina, then I would, I mean, it would be pansexual.
	I would not call that strictly straight, though.
	Right.
	But typically, my preferred framing for this is a man.
	So, for example, me dating a transgender woman, so somebody who is born male.
	Okay.
	And, well, they remain male.
	And whether they have a penis or a vagina, like the, it's not a vagina, but would you think that that's straight or would you think that that's gay?
	So the other person appears feminine?
	Yes.
	But they have it born male.
	And I'll even go ahead and grant that has the, I'm not going to call it a vagina because it's not a vagina, but it's post-operative.
	I would say that's straight then.
	Yeah, how would it be straight?
	Well, because they appear female and like they don't have any male anatomy at that point anymore.
	Like I would say it's straight with a few extra steps.
	I wouldn't say it's like 100% straight.
	Yeah, but have they, well, I guess the easiest way to put this, what is straight short for?
	Man and woman.
	Like straight, like male.
	Would you say it's straight for heterosexual?
	Straight for heterosexual.
	Straight is short-form slang for heterosexual.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So heterosexual refers to the other sex or the opposite sex.
	Right.
	Right.
	So a transgender woman is not the opposite sex.
	A transgender woman is still male.
	Biologically, absolutely, yes.
	Right.
	And so when we're talking about sexuality, we're referring to the sex in which you're attracted to, not the gender identity in which you're attracted to.
	Okay.
	So if a man is engaging, if a male is engaging in a sexual act with a male, definitionally, that would be a homosexual act.
	That would be gay.
	It would not be straight.
	Right.
	Even if their gender identity is that of a female.
	Yeah, I guess what you're saying.
	Because yeah, biologically, if they're still a male, then that would be homosexual.
	Two males having sex.
	But if they like look female and they have no male parts, you're not doing technically anything homosexual besides just messing with someone who has different chromosomes than you.
	No, it still definitionally would be a homosexual act.
	Well, what?
	Okay, how about this?
	What about why do we care?
	There's a whole bunch of reasons why somebody could care.
	For example, if there's like, well, if it becomes this cultural norm where essentially like, oh yeah, that's a hundred percent, that's a hundred percent a woman, then okay, I don't need to disclose to a potential partner that I'm actually a male.
	Or even going further, I actually have a penis, but I fully exterior to my exterior.
	I look like a woman.
	Well, they have to tell them.
	What do you mean?
	There's literally a push in this movement.
	No, absolutely.
	So there's different, that's the thing that I'm saying.
	Like, like in the last, that's what I also wanted to mention is because in the last episode that I was in, there was the guy, I don't know his name, but the religious, he's homophobic, all the things.
	And I didn't argue the topic with him because I felt like I didn't want to give it the time of day with him because he was so educated in the topic.
	But I feel like it's more like a respect thing.
	Like these people are humans at the end of the day.
	Like when it comes to our kids, leave our kids alone.
	Like kids should not be transitioning at freaking five.
	Absolutely not.
	But if an adult wants to be transgender, I don't care.
	Like let them live.
	Like that's my thing.
	I respect people and their opinions and their beliefs.
	And I feel like if a person wants to live as a woman and I'm going to respect them as that, I'm going to call them that.
	They're trying to take my womanhood, right?
	Because they want to be a woman.
	That's different.
	Like when they're trying to change us, what was it?
	Birth people or something?
	Like, no, I'm a woman.
	You know, like, it's that case.
	Like, I understand.
	It's like people are taking it too far, but also there's a level of just respecting a human as a human.
	Like, that this is what they want.
	And it's a real thing.
	It's a studied thing.
	Like, the da-dums, all those things, yes, different.
	Yeah, I acknowledge that this is a phenomenon.
	Like, there are transgender people.
	Nobody is denying that this is a phenomenon.
	However, I think we should get back.
	Like, you're trying to obfuscate it a little bit away from the conversation in hand.
	So, do you think it's because you're referencing, well, we should show these people respect?
	Okay, has anything I've just said demonstrated a lack of respect for transgender people?
	See the other thing?
	We have different opinions.
	Like, I think you not calling them a woman is disrespectful, in my opinion.
	Why would that be disrespectful?
	That's what I'm saying.
	In my, I think if a person, like, okay, maybe that's the thing, like, a woman, like, down to the biology of it, like, obviously inside they're not, like, and I understand that.
	But if you're not saying that, I feel like transphobic.
	Hang on, let me finish my point.
	Wait, your position is the same as mine then.
	No, listen.
	No, because you don't, you're, you, like, are against them.
	Like, aren't you against them?
	Like, you don't like.
	What if I said that?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, well, that's what I'm asking.
	I'm saying, like, do you, if someone was sitting at the table, would you call them a man instead of like, would you say sir or call them their other name?
	Or would you call them ma'am or her?
	That's the thing.
	It's about respect.
	It's not about like, at the end of the day, yes.
	I would use their name.
	I honestly, I would just use their name.
	Yeah.
	I would use their name.
	But if they were to ask me, hey, Brian, what do you think my pronouns are?
	What do you think my gender is?
	What do you think my sex is?
	I would not lie to them on that if they overtly ask me that question.
	But to at least the extent to which I'm prepared to extend politeness would be to use, I'll use their female, their female name.
	So if they change their name to Becky, I'll go ahead and call them Becky.
	I'm not going to use their, like they legally changed their name or whatever.
	I'll use that name.
	But I'm not going to ever say that that's a she when it's not.
	When it's a male.
	Yeah, and I understand that point of view.
	It's more like to be clear.
	What just happened there?
	Okay, hold on.
	To be clear, I would specifically avoid having to use pronouns.
	And I would just say, instead of saying she wants that, I would say Becky wants that.
	That's the level of respect I'm willing to give.
	I think that that's fair.
	But now you're asking me to change my worldview to accommodate what in my perspective is a mental illness.
	Okay.
	So yeah, that's the thing.
	I'm not even like, and that's the thing.
	It is like, I feel like it is a mental thing too.
	Like, but it's a studied thing that, like, it's like, there's so many cases of it.
	That's an actual thing that people feel.
	Yeah, there's intersex people.
	What about intersex people?
	There's a lot of cases of schizophrenia.
	I understand.
	And it's a really documented thing just because, hold on.
	And it's documented.
	It's really well documented.
	And there's treatment for schizophrenia.
	We don't affirm schizophrenics in their delusional beliefs.
	So you think because so schizophrenia is one thing, but like just because a person wants to be like, that's, they feel so uncomfortable.
	And what if it is like, you say it's a mental illness, right?
	And to fix this mental illness, to make them feel better, they want to wear girl clothes and be and be Becky.
	That's not okay.
	Why can't like if that's their antidote and their depression medication to them?
	So adults are free to dress as they like.
	I'm not proposing laws that should ban like as a man, if you want to wear a dress, you have that freedom.
	I'm not proposing laws to prevent men from wearing dresses.
	However, at what point do I need to participate in your delusion?
	I guess that's the thing why I don't want to be, I support, I don't think it's delusion.
	I believe in trans people.
	I think there's people who are not.
	I understand what you're saying.
	I know.
	I get what you're saying.
	But I'm saying I think they deserve to be, I think that is respectful and that if they think they're a woman and they want to become, say that they're she, I'm going to respect that.
	And I also respect your opinion.
	That's fine.
	But I think everyone deserves respect and to live their life how they want.
	So we can have a separate conversation about like sort of generalized trans acceptance, but I want to bring it back to the original thing, which was dating, right?
	So, okay.
	Do you think that transgender people should disclose?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think if they're going to be in a full-on relationship, especially if they don't have, like, I think in general, they should.
	Like, I think that they should.
	But I don't think if they're just starting to talk to someone, like, they don't need to right away.
	But if they're going to be in a relationship, yeah, they need to.
	Same thing.
	I don't think it's transphobic not to date a transgender woman.
	I think it's same thing.
	I don't think it's fat phobic to not want to date a fat person.
	It's just a type and a thing that you like.
	It doesn't mean you're a horrible person because of it or whatever.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	There's a respect level.
	Like, you can have your own opinions and respect people at the same time.
	Let's do this.
	What is a woman?
	You know, I hate that question.
	Oh.
	A woman is like, a woman is someone who was born with a cooter, I guess.
	But I'm saying if they want to, I'm going to respect that.
	You know what I mean?
	There's a definition and there's also a respect level.
	Like, I'm not going to argue on that.
	But are you respecting the biology?
	I always have said, that's what I'm saying.
	I always, like, even if I respect them, like, I'm not going to pretend.
	Like, obviously, they were born that way and the inside.
	Like, that's who they are.
	But I'm not going to, like, I just respect everyone and what they want to do.
	And also, because I have friends who like are that and like who have transitioned during school, school, like literally came back after winter break completely different.
	And it was like, and it was when we were in middle school, like before it was like a whole thing.
	Like now it's like taught in school.
	And I think that's not okay.
	Like I'm not for the kids transitioning, kids learning at that age, people being able to get on hormone.
	No, like after you're a certain age, like 18 or whatever, like you can physically do stuff.
	Same thing I wouldn't let a kid get a breast implants.
	Like what do you mean?
	Like you're not going to let, I just think that's ridiculous.
	Do you think, what about puberty blockers?
	Can you have transformation?
	Wait, hold on, but that's what the transgender advocates say.
	That's gender-affirming care.
	Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
	They need to take puberty blockers prior to starting puberty.
	Are puberty blockers reversible?
	Nope.
	Yeah, then I wouldn't.
	And they claim it is so that they, like in furtherance of putting kids on puberty blockers, but it's puberty is absolutely not reversible.
	Because I feel like a lot of the things like, you know, same thing, like you don't learn who you are, what you want exactly.
	I think the people who are transgender, like they do know it younger too, but I feel like you need to experience lots of things in life to fully know what you want.
	Like some trans people don't want this operation or this operation.
	You don't even know that until you're older.
	So like why would you?
	But you do you do realize that the transgender ideology and movement is making a massive push for allowing, and this is really the only time you can take puberty blockers.
	So these people saying, well, you can make that decision when you're 18.
	You've already pretty much gone through most of puberty or all of puberty.
	So puberty blockers are typically for, I don't know the exact age when typically they get started.
	I think it's maybe 11, 12, 13, 14 around there.
	That's what they're, and they're saying, yes, this is good.
	This is gender-affirming care.
	Are you in favor of that?
	No.
	Okay, well, that, I mean, you're kind of in contravention of the mainstream.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You got to let me finish talking.
	Yes, sir.
	You're in controversial, in contravention of the mainstream gender ideology talking points as it relates to transgenderism.
	This is something that they're genuinely, this isn't like fringe transgender stuff.
	It's mainstream transgender stuff, letting kids take puberty blockers.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	You can agree with some and agree, not agree with somebody.
	Yeah, do you agree with that one specifically?
	Yeah, I don't.
	I don't agree with you.
	Okay, so you're against like the mainstream.
	You're not, you're against like mainstream gender affirming.
	I'm okay.
	Yeah, yes, I'm okay with a kid.
	Like if a kid want my surgeon.
	But you're okay with kids getting this?
	Listen.
	So if my kid wants to wear a freaking skirt, like I'm not going to be upset.
	We're talking about gender.
	I'm hang on.
	I'm saying there's lines to it.
	Like if you want to present yourself feminine, I'm not going to tell my kid.
	That's whatever they want to do.
	I'm going to let them do that.
	If they want to change something about them, their physical selves when they're a child, like puberty blockers, surgeries, none of that to me is okay.
	I think once you're an adult, or once you're like old enough or like they were in therapy for years and years and years and then and then, like doctors were like if they were younger and were saying it, since they were younger, like they need to have like a therapist to talk to and they've like realized that their entire life they felt that way then they could do some type of surgery.
	But but okay, so how about this?
	You said, you said you're not cool with the puberty blockers, but if you're wanted to socially transition, so they wanted to dress up like say, you had a son wanted to dress up like a girl uh, how much would you give any pushback?
	Yeah, I would make sure.
	Like yeah, I mean, I feel like you should talk to them, they should go to a therapist.
	Like yes, I think if your kid wants to transition like you should okay, so you have one con.
	The kid just goes, hey mommy um I, I think i'm a girl, I want to wear a dress.
	You tell I would.
	I would do they go to the therapist first or do you just?
	No, I would probably talk to them and no, I would not let them dress right, like that, right away.
	It would have to be an on like going thing.
	Like every day they're asking me, hey, I want to wear this, I want to wear this, I want to wear this.
	Then I would let them if that's going to make them happy.
	But i'm not going to be like oh, you want to wear a skirt, you're allowed to wear a skirt.
	No, if they want to, and they're coming to me and crying to me like I want to like, i'm not going to tell my kid they can't dye their hair or do something because yeah, you can.
	You're the parent.
	I'm saying my as if I. What i'm worried about is if my kid's a good person, not if they have pink fucking hair.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, but as a parent, you can.
	You still have that authority over your children.
	This is me.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Fine, you can let your 13 year old dye their hair, that's yeah.
	Why, who cares?
	Okay, but you're gonna send them to therapy.
	If they were coming to me, are you gonna see?
	I okay, I think you would just.
	Yeah yeah, that's fine.
	But I guess the issue is they're going to go to a therapist who's been indoctrinated in this sort of uh thought and then the therapist is going to affirm their identity as a trans child and, of course, the therapist is going to be like, well, I think that this is the right thing to do.
	Sometimes kids are just have a phase or they're confused.
	I don't honestly, if I was a parent uh, who knows, maybe your kid ends up this way, you can wait to do anything until you're 18, but until then no, you're not gonna do any of that shit.
	Yeah, i'm talking about like if they were coming to me for multiple years and it got to a point that I felt like I wasn't educated enough that in like to be able to talk.
	This is why you gotta homeschool your kids.
	I think I'm just saying what I would do.
	Like, I wouldn't.
	They're just gonna get indoctrinated at the public schools in California.
	Yeah, I think it's ridiculous what's happening in the schools right now.
	Like, they're literally like making kids feel like that's what they are.
	Like, they're like, you know, a kid goes to a teacher and is like, I'm transgender.
	They're saying, yes, you are.
	No, they're not.
	Like, that's ridiculous.
	I think that is ridiculous.
	There's points of it that are just too far and they take it too far.
	Like, there's it, it does seem sometimes this manifests out of like a social component where they see something or they hear something and then it sparks like an idea in their head.
	Yeah.
	I think a lot of people have the experience.
	Many people who don't even end up being transgender or anything really when they're older have an experience of feeling uncomfortable in their bodies when they're younger, especially when they're going through puberty.
	There's all sorts of discomforts and going to school is kind of weird and you know, how to navigate friends and you know, you're starting to kind of get into dating and this sort of stuff.
	And then ultimately, though, you have these feelings and then oftentimes they pass.
	But if you get going down the pipeline, you're potentially going to end up somewhere with a full-fledged set of beliefs that were kind of implanted in you by authority figures at the school, potentially parents who are not really aware of some of the things that are going on, going to a therapist.
	Why does a 13-year-old need therapy?
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	It's like at that point, I think you're missed.
	Like, it would be, I would be talking to them first, telling them, like, no, like, this is what.
	And then if they came, if, yes, if they came, if they came to me from school and said, mommy, I'm a girl.
	I'm not going to say you are a girl.
	Like, because they're learning that from school.
	But if they were coming to me every single day, crying to me, couldn't go to sleep.
	Like, if that's who they felt, then I would be like, okay, this is a little bit more serious.
	I would talk, like, talk to them more.
	And then if it got to a point where I felt like I needed help, like, I would go, and even I would go to maybe a family therapist, like, where I'm sitting in there with them, talking to them, like, maybe get them actual help to like either talk to them and like be like, why do you feel this way?
	Not that you feel this way and you need to be this way.
	It's more like, why do you feel this way?
	Is it because your friends are telling you?
	It's like, that's why I'm saying, instead of like shaming them for this feeling, it's more like putting that feeling to the side and making sure that they like, if you just feel loved and that they're like, it's okay.
	Like, but if they're saying that they want to wear pink shoes, that's a different thing.
	Like, it's one thing to present yourself more feminine and wanting to be actually a female, you know?
	They're two different things.
	Okay.
	So you take your potentially trans.
	Actually, you know, the other thing I think is the kids that used to be goth, they're the ones that are trans now.
	I think part of it, look, there's genuinely trans people or whatever.
	I think there's just people who throughout, like, there's different time periods where people participate in subcultures and these sorts of things.
	And like the trans thing, that's like the new subculture.
	Like the goth kids from 20 years ago in the early 2000s and the late 90s, they would have been trans.
	They would have been trans.
	Like it's just, there's always going to be like a cohort of kids that are just like kind of on the out the out, not the outskirts, but.
	Well, I think it has a lot to do with environment.
	Where did you grow up?
	Are you big city?
	Are you small town?
	Because if you go small town, you're most likely not going to have these issues with school systems and having been programmed in an environment like that.
	So again, this is like you can put someone in an environment and that is going to shift them and shift their beliefs.
	So you have to look at the environment where they're at.
	For sure.
	Was there any other disagreement that you had besides the trans thing?
	Is it still straight for you?
	That's still straight.
	Even then, I didn't even really disagree with you.
	Like, I see what you're saying.
	It was just like, I feel like I'm more tolerant of it.
	Because if someone tells me their pronouns, I'm going to respect it whether I agree or not, just because I want to make them feel happy.
	Like, I don't want to be disrespectful and like make them go home and be like, oh, that sucks.
	Like, I hate myself.
	Like, I would rather play along.
	If I saw some dude holding hands, walking down the street with clearly a trans woman, like fucking broader shoulders than me, fucking Adam's apple, all this shit.
	I'm not going to say anything.
	I'm not going to sneer.
	I'm just, okay, cool.
	There's a trans couple or whatever.
	Well, I won't say anything either.
	But like in my head, I'm like, well, okay, it's a dude and a trans woman.
	It's not straight, but I'm not going to say anything.
	I'm not going to do anything.
	But like, I'll say that.
	But like, if I'm having a conversation with somebody like two hours later, like I'm with, you know, I don't know, my friend, be like, yeah, that's not straight.
	We probably wouldn't even talk about it.
	But if we're looking at it from a bird's eye view level of like, okay, let's just have a conversation about what that is.
	No, I would say that that's not straight.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not like chasing down trans people in the street like that.
	Your fucking pronouns are definitely like, no, I don't, I don't give a shit.
	I'm not going to go bother a trans person, but like if we're sitting here at a table having the discussion, yeah, I'll tell you the truth.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	I just don't see how it could ever be straight.
	Like, I don't see how it could be straight.
	Like, okay.
	Transsexual people is like more who damage.
	Let me ask you this.
	If you somehow saw, I don't know, somebody left their apartment window open and you saw what looked to be, you saw two penises.
	That's all you saw.
	There were two penises and one of them was sucking the other penises.
	Yes.
	You would assume that that's would you say that that was gay?
	I would assume that's gay, yeah.
	But then after you see that and you've made a determination, like, whoa, that's definitely gay.
	And then they shout out the bedroom window, BTW, Becky, I identify as a woman.
	Do you now revise your assessment of what you just saw and categorize it as a heterosexual act?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good job.
	All right.
	We have a super chat here.
	Go ahead, pull it up, Nick.
	Ellie, read this.
	Chair 2 out of 2.5, you're suggesting it's good to proliferate and normalize this ideology while complaining about the direct effects on children caused by the ideology.
	You're reducing children's expected lifespans for, quote, tolerance, acceptance, and happiness.
	Thank you, Penmaker, for the super chat.
	Do you want to respond to that super quickly?
	Yeah, that's why I would make sure that my kid is put in the right direction.
	And I think that I'm just trying to make sure they're happy, but you're allowed to have your opinion.
	I think saying yes, that they're a man or woman right when they come, that's wrong.
	I think trying to take care of the problem is what you should do as a parent and do whatever you can to fix it.
	Okay.
	We have Josh Brooks.
	Can you read this one?
	Let's stir it up.
	In your opinion, how do you think that the experiencing trauma in any aspect can and does change arousal pathways?
	What types of traumatic events would correlate with this?
	Oh, with what kinks?
	What's that?
	Oh, anybody want to weigh in on this?
	Anybody?
	I feel like if you have like a traumatic SA as a child, sometimes that in turn will, say if you're like a guy and you have a traumatic experience with another guy when you're a child, I feel like sometimes guys will either go like with other guys when they're older and have kinks with other guys sometimes because they're turned on by that because they experienced that when they were younger and vice versa for like females.
	But that's not always the case, in my opinion.
	Or they like are homophobic because of it.
	Because they experienced that when they were a kid.
	I've noticed that more with like just like from anecdotal evidence, like sexual aversions, not so much kinks, but like being deterred away from certain things because of experiences you've had in your childhood or your formative years, I guess.
	All right, cool.
	Thank you, Josh Brooks.
	Appreciate the message.
	All right, we're going to jump into stiffler ask.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Since you said it was stupid, you get to go first.
	You did that last time.
	I'm not partaking because I think this segment's stupid.
	You got the partaking.
	No, I don't.
	I'm a 10 bitch.
	That's high.
	Clip that.
	All right.
	The fat bitch says she's a 10.
	Going to Ellie.
	What about you?
	What do you?
	I think I'm a hard four.
	Oh, my goodness.
	A hard four.
	Yeah, like a high four.
	You were very pretty.
	You're not a four.
	What about you?
	Five and a half.
	Oh, my God.
	I was going to say, like, right now, like an eight.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'd probably say like around a six.
	Okay.
	I'm going ten.
	Why would I not?
	There is a little self-confidence.
	I'd say solid four, five.
	Oh, my God.
	Felicity.
	What about you?
	Well, there's we have two very confident.
	Oh, sorry, I'm a five.
	We have two very confident women at the table here.
	You know, look.
	This segment is so stupid.
	You guys, I'm sorry.
	You guys are not tens.
	That's okay.
	You guys are, come on.
	Come on.
	Neither of you are tens.
	Feel like perspective.
	Want to do that?
	Like, what do you get out of this, Brian?
	By making this poor woman, say she's a no-I didn't make her do anything.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	I am a 50-year-old.
	Don't worry.
	No, I know, babe, but like, you have to ask, you answer the question, and then you had to think about it and be like, I'm a four, you're not a four.
	Like, I feel like I had that predetermined.
	Like, car right over here, I was like, let me think.
	Oh, my real holy thing.
	What's up?
	You wanted to?
	I just feel like we should also just respect their confidence.
	I feel like the number you have.
	I'm a confidence disrespecter.
	I can sense that.
	Yeah.
	But I feel like it also just depends on the moment, like what you're wearing, how you feel.
	Are we rating holistically?
	Like natural beauty or just looks.
	Just looks.
	Like looks.
	That's what I said.
	Looks can be optics too.
	And maybe, maybe you're like looking real good on this show based off what you say.
	And that can be looks.
	Keep going, though.
	You had more?
	I just feel like, like Ellie had said, it's completely based off the day and how you're dressed, whether you've done your makeup or not.
	Like, honestly, if like when I'm going to bed, like if I take off my lashes and all my makeup, I don't necessarily feel like a 10.
	I would be like, okay, well, this is, yes, this is my natural beauty, but this is not like what I would call my peak.
	So you have felt like a 10 before.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But right now you said you feel like a six.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What could you do?
	Like if you had more time, I guess, to put on makeup?
	Or do you have fake lashes?
	Yeah, I do.
	You have them on right now?
	Okay, so those are already there.
	Is there like anything you could do in 30 minutes to up it a little bit?
	Honestly, yeah.
	Like I kind of ran over here and I only did like blush and concealer.
	But if I were to do a full face, I probably would feel a lot better confidence-wise.
	Okay.
	So to the two tens at the table, here's what I'd like.
	So here's what we're going to do.
	Can you tell me a woman who's like a celebrity who you think is a 10?
	That's the thing.
	I don't even know.
	I don't know.
	We'll start with you since you like to take forever to get to the point.
	Just tell us a female celebrity who you think is a 10.
	I just like that.
	Megan Fox.
	Megan Fox.
	Maybe young Megan Fox.
	I don't know.
	When she was in the Transformers movies or something.
	I don't know.
	Megan Fox.
	Okay.
	I would say Megan Fox.
	She's a Megan Fox.
	You agree with Megan Fox?
	She's like a 10.
	Okay.
	So to be clear.
	Megan Fox, 10.
	You 10.
	You 10.
	So just your pretty.
	The entailment of your position is you guys are prepared to say that you're just as attractive as Megan Fox.
	That wasn't the question.
	Well, you said you're a 10.
	You said you're a 10.
	You said Megan Fox is a 10.
	I know you guys look differently.
	There's no dispute there.
	But you're just as attractive as Megan Fox.
	That's not what I said.
	That's not what I said.
	Well, hold on.
	If logically, that would follow.
	I know, but that's what I'm saying.
	You answered that question.
	Like the last time I answered it, like you were saying, oh, if you're a 10, then that means I'm like, if I was going after you, that means I'm like sacrificing or whatever.
	What did you say earlier?
	Like, I asked, here, rate me.
	What do you rate me on a scale of one to 10?
	I'm not going to, I don't like rating people.
	You won't hurt my feelings.
	Go ahead.
	I don't want to rate you.
	What did, did she rate?
	What did she rate me?
	I rated you like a six last time, but that's because you rate everyone else.
	Like, I don't rate people.
	No, unless people ask me, then you rate me.
	I won't.
	Otherwise, I don't, I'm not going to give you a number.
	Okay.
	But I will, I will say that I will say you're not a 10.
	Say you're not a 10, yeah.
	Or not as a 10.
	Like that thing, I don't think, like, I'm not saying that I'm as attractive as me.
	Like, it's, I don't even want to put a number on.
	I don't think a woman should put a number on.
	I don't know.
	I guess the logical conclusion of you're a 10, I'm a six from your perspective is that you would be settling for me.
	That's what you said.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Right, but that's your, that would have to be your position.
	That's why I'm saying it's deeper.
	It's not as deep.
	Right.
	Okay, hold on.
	I get that there's other components to what makes somebody attractive in totality.
	Like, there's personality, there's other factors.
	But just on the looks component, the looks paradigm, that is sort of your position, essentially, is that at least looks-wise, you would be settling for me.
	Yeah, like I said last time, I said I was a 10 just to piss off them because it's funny a fat girl saying they're a 10 at the same time.
	Well, I think that's your genuine position.
	You think I'm, I think I'm a 10.
	Like, okay, that's what you think.
	Like I said last time, I think that I, like I said, I can also, okay, I think if you're in a room with your guy friends and you're like, oh, that girl like I talked to, she's like a seven or whatever.
	Like, I think in social, like, that's fine.
	Like, obviously, you're going to rate them.
	Like, if they asked you how attractive were they, you're going to be like, oh, they were a seven.
	I'm saying in this format, like, making women have to like think of what they are.
	I just don't like that.
	Yeah, I ranked myself too.
	And that's fine.
	I'm saying I don't like it.
	So that's why I say I'm a 10 because I want to opt out of the conversation because I don't like a woman having to think and put a number on their self-value and their looks.
	I just don't like that.
	But I think it's okay to use a rating system if you're like a modeling agent trying to find a sexy person on the, like it's, there's, it's okay.
	Yeah, I mean, well, so it's a dating podcast, so there is a reason why this is asked.
	And it actually, it actually has really practical applications when it comes to dating.
	So if you're moving through the dating world with a sort of, let's say, I mean, fine, I'll just say delusional perspective on your own attractiveness and your own self-assessment.
	I guess that's cool that you're confident.
	Although I would argue the confident position would just be like being able to make a reasonable self-determination as to where you stand in comparison to other people.
	I think that's actually more confident than just being like, yeah, I'm like, I don't know.
	I know, I agree.
	I agree.
	I think it's confident to like be able to be realistic as well.
	But I'm just saying I don't like.
	When we go around the table, it makes me sad when a girl has to be like, I'm a six.
	Like that makes me so sad.
	That's going to make you sad.
	Because that's what I'm saying.
	Don't you see in my perspective too?
	Like, having, like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, having a woman have to be like, wow, in this life, I'm a four.
	Like, she's not a four.
	Like, for her to feel that way.
	I think she underrated herself.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	Like, even having to, like, they're going to have to, because it's live and they're like worried what they're going to say, they're going to obviously say, I'm lower than what they feel.
	No, not all the time.
	I'm saying most girls will.
	And every time I'm watching the show, these guys are.
	I think women tend to overrate themselves on the show.
	Sometimes women do underrate themselves too.
	But frequently, when are you saying if they don't give themselves a 10, they're underrating themselves?
	So sorry, say it again.
	If they don't give themselves themselves.
	Well, because you're saying all these girls underrate themselves.
	But are you saying if the girl doesn't just immediately knee-jerk, give herself a 10?
	Are you saying that that would be underrated?
	I really don't think everyone is like a 10.
	Like, if we're talking realistically, it's like not everyone's a 10.
	You know what I mean?
	But like, you're allowed to think you're a 10.
	Like, why don't you want a girl to think that about themselves?
	Like, that's what pisses me on more.
	Is like, if a girl thinks they're a 10, I'm not going to argue with that with them.
	They deserve to feel if they're even Dolulu.
	If you're Delulu and dig your a 10, and when you're a one, go off, queen.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, a woman is allowed to feel however the fuck they want.
	And I think in the dating space, even if they think that, like, who cares?
	Like, I just who cares?
	I'll, but I'll tell you, you say they should be allowed to do this.
	I suppose, yes, anybody can think anything, right?
	But I can tell you the negative manifestations since we're talking about manifestation.
	Tell me a guy who you think is a 10.
	I don't know, like a Zach Efron back in the days.
	I don't really know.
	Okay, Zach Efron.
	Can you give me a guy who's a 10?
	Oh, God.
	Maybe like Christian Ronaldi.
	Rinaldo, Ronaldo, the soccer guy.
	Soccer player.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So perfect.
	He's, I guess, a good-looking guy.
	He's a professional athlete.
	He's in really good shape.
	He's one of the most famous.
	Isn't he the most followed person on Instagram or something?
	Super famous, top-tier soccer player, status, rich, all this stuff.
	Just curious, do you think, you know, he's a 10, you're a 10.
	Do you think you could get Cristiano Ronaldo?
	Yes, you could.
	Would I want?
	Would I want that?
	I mean, what do you mean?
	Would you?
	Yeah.
	Do you?
	No.
	Single.
	So just to be clear, Christian Ronaldo, who meets your criteria for what a 10 is, what about him do you dislike?
	He's married.
	Well, okay, hold on.
	Assuming he was single.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Yeah.
	I don't know him personally.
	I would love to get to know him.
	Assuming his personality was good enough.
	Would I pursue him?
	Sure.
	Possibly.
	Okay.
	Possibly, yeah.
	So do you think you could get him?
	I guess.
	Assuming he was single.
	Like, let's say you wanted him.
	Whatever the determinations are for what you want in a guy.
	And he was single.
	Do you think you could get him?
	I mean, that's.
	It's a really hard question just because I don't know him.
	And it takes a good time.
	Let's assume you were able to meet him, though.
	And I got to like him in his personality.
	And it's someone that I think I would see myself with.
	Then I would.
	So let's assume it's caked into the baked into the hypothetical that you're attracted to him and the other components are there for The other criteria is there for what it would take for you to be willing to date him.
	The question is then, do you think, assuming you wanted him, that you could get him?
	Probably not.
	Why is that?
	I just, that's not my world.
	I didn't, I'm not, I'm not out there.
	I'm not in the.
	Let's assume you met him.
	You had an opportunity to meet him.
	Could you get him?
	I think that's an unrealistic question to ask me if I could get someone.
	He lives on the planet.
	I mean.
	Yeah, but without, you're asking a question that I don't, we don't know each other.
	If I you're you're asking solely based on what I see from a physical perspective, which is not everything.
	Okay, here, let's bake this into the hypothetical then, too.
	You know, he responds to his Instagram DMs.
	Do you think if you slid into his DMs that you could get him?
	No, I wouldn't be that person sliding into his DMs.
	No.
	Okay.
	He was here in Santa Barbara and you ran into him.
	Do you think you could get him?
	Again, if I could get to know this guy, maybe.
	I don't know.
	You're asking a question that I feel is it takes time to get to know someone.
	I don't know if I would like him.
	It's baked in that he meets your other criteria for personality.
	So it's assumed that you like him.
	You talk to him.
	Could you get him though?
	Isn't that, I mean, this would also depend on if he has reciprocal feelings towards me.
	So it's not just me.
	Do you think he would have?
	I have no idea.
	That would be like such a question you would have to ask him.
	Why would you assume that I would know that?
	Because it's a hypothetical.
	Well, then, anything is hypothetical, right?
	Right, but I'm asking you a specific hypothetical.
	Hypothetically, yeah.
	Yeah, hypothetically speaking, then, sure.
	I could get him.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What's up, Nick?
	The right camera got slightly not so you might have wanted to.
	When she got up?
	Yeah.
	Mine?
	Yeah.
	Oh, it looks okay.
	I think it's fun.
	Yeah, it looks okay.
	All right.
	So, okay, Ronaldo Zach Efron.
	Yeah, look.
	So I guess the reason why I say it does have this impact is you're going to be chasing after a certain caliber of guy if you can't make a self-assessment about your own position.
	So essentially, and this is where, because as a guy, I could be delusional, but I get slapped in the face immediately.
	Now, not literally, but I get slapped in the face with reality.
	So the difference is, if I step to a girl outside of my league and I'm assuming I'm pleasant and I make myself sexually available to her, instant rejection.
	Instant rejection.
	A woman who's outside of my league doesn't entertain me for anything.
	I don't get a conversation.
	I don't get a date.
	I don't get a dinner.
	I don't get a one-night stand.
	I don't get strung along for a couple weeks or months in a situationship where she's just using me for sex.
	Doesn't happen, even if I'm pleasant and making myself sexually available to her.
	Women, on the other hand, you can be pleasant and make yourself sexually available to a man outside of your league, and he will absolutely keep you around for sex.
	He'll keep you around for sex.
	You're not going to get commitment, but it so it could just be a one-night stand.
	It could just be situationship, could be a friends with benefits, maybe a couple weeks, couple months.
	You're not going to get commitment.
	He's going to be seeing other women.
	So this is the differential here.
	So when women have not made a determination of where they stand when it comes to dating, they're going to think, oh, I deserve this caliber of guy.
	And that caliber of guy will give you short-term sex or short-term something.
	But if what you want is commitment, you're not going to get it.
	And then all the while, you're going to be looking at guys who are actually on your level.
	And you've now, you've been used to a certain caliber of guy.
	The guy who's on your level, who you should be matching up with, who that's the guy who's willing to give you commitment because you're on his level.
	You're going to think that that guy's below you.
	So you're going to ignore him.
	You're going to ignore the guy who's actually going to give you a relationship.
	You're going to keep chasing after these super attractive guys.
	And it could be attractive, not just looks.
	It could be socioeconomic.
	It could be status.
	It could be wealth.
	Whatever it is.
	Could even be personality driven.
	You're going to be chasing after these dudes who won't give you commitment.
	So that's why it's important to know where you stand because it's really easy for y'all to go and fuck that the hot fuck boy guy.
	He's not going to give you commitment.
	And then you're going to curve the guys who are actually on your league in your level.
	On your level.
	That's what you're saying, though.
	That's exactly what's going to happen.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Hold on.
	So for, I'll paint it like this.
	If I can sleep with a girl, I have a really high confidence level.
	I can get her into a relationship.
	Really high confidence.
	Not, you know, maybe not all the time, but really confident.
	Any girl that I can sleep with, I can get her into a relationship.
	How confident are you that the guys that you can sleep with want a relationship with you?
	Well, I think asking me and asking a skinny person is a little bit different because in the fat world, like I am a higher caliber fat girl.
	I mean, I take care of myself.
	I'm always dressed nice.
	And because in that world, like there is people who, fat people don't take care of themselves and don't do so.
	Obviously, like in that world, like I'm dating people who are really attractive.
	Like that's what I'm saying.
	Like you say that it shouldn't be accessible to me, but it is.
	Like that's what I'm saying.
	Like, am I not supposed to date the hot person just because you don't think I'm like a 10?
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, I mean, if you can get commitment, then I've dated multiple.
	That's what there's so many men.
	Okay, dating.
	What?
	Okay.
	You're saying a commitment is like a ring on the finger, not like dating, holding my hand in public kind of stuff.
	I mean, it could be an exclusive boyfriend-girlfriend situation.
	The ultimate commitment would be marriage or some other form of, you know, similar sort of commitment.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's just that view is a little, I don't know, outreached.
	Like, I feel like I'm allowed to date if someone thinks I'm hot and they're a 10, like, who cares?
	Like, I'm allowed to date them.
	That and that happens very often.
	Like, there's people who are different attractive levels that date.
	Like, that's okay.
	Like, it's okay to date someone who's not as attracted to you.
	And I don't think that like skews your view on like your self-worth.
	Like, I know, like, if I had to tell someone what my number was, I could realistically say that because I'm also like not stupid.
	But I don't think me feeling like I'm a 10 also makes me not be able to like realize that this is my league or whatever.
	Like, I think you're allowed to date out your league too.
	Like, if you want the hot Victoria Secret model, why can't you want that?
	Like, well, there's a difference.
	And that doesn't skew your, well, because you're a man?
	Absolutely.
	Hold on.
	So, you don't think you, okay, you genuinely don't think it would skew men's perspective if this dynamic was flipped.
	So, for example, let's say it was the case that average-looking men, average guys could fuck top-tier women, but those top-tier women only wanted those average guys for sex.
	And then those average women were kind of getting pushed out of dating, like the marketplace a little bit, the average women, because the average men on their level were dating up and just, well, not, excuse me, not dating up.
	They were getting their sexual needs and they were chasing these really attractive women.
	Do you think that that would skew?
	Like, if I could, for example, if I or other guys or frat guys at UCSB could just run through fucking beautiful model tier women, why would they ever get into a relationship with an average girl?
	Why?
	Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I'm saying, why is it a problem?
	Like, what's your, like, if they can do that, do that.
	Like, I don't think they need to think of like, oh, this is messing up the women's dating, the men's data.
	Like, I don't think that deeply.
	Like, you're allowed to date whoever you want without it being, like, a statistic.
	Like, do you know what I'm saying?
	But, but, so that's not happening, though.
	So, the reverse of what I just explained is happening.
	You have women, typically average women or above-average women, who do have access to the most attractive men.
	And those men are typically like just running through girls.
	They're dating like 10 different women at the same time.
	They've got a roster.
	And some women move that way too, but they're just dating all the other attractive guys also.
	So, you have like a cohort of men who are zeroed out when it comes to dating a little bit.
	And so, if it was the case that you had average, like we flip the rolls, average men, imagine from the age of 18 to 30, average-looking dudes refused to commit to women and have relationships because they were out fucking models.
	But the models didn't want any, they just wanted to fuck the guys a couple times.
	That's what's happening, but with women.
	So, it's like, okay, you would agree, though, if average dudes could just fuck a bunch of hot women, but they could never get commitment from them, you would agree that these guys would be far less inclined to like go ahead and get into a relationship with like their looks equivalent.
	No, because I think people, like, even women have like times in college that they're, you know, having fun and doing stuff with people out of their league, in their league, whatever.
	And then at one point, the person that they marry is usually like someone around their like common interest or common, whatever.
	Like, I don't think that's exactly what's happening.
	But that's, I understand, but I'm saying it's a terrible thing, though.
	I, yeah, but I'm saying it's, you can't stop it.
	It's not good.
	It's going to keep happening.
	Like, why?
	Like, who cares if someone's fucking someone as a 10 and they're a five?
	Like, I just don't care.
	And I don't think it's that affecting everything else.
	Like, sure, I can, I mean, I think I can tell you why.
	So, have you ever dated a guy and then he did not measure up to a previous guy you done dealt with?
	Yes.
	And did that have an impact?
	We're not talking about looks or everything.
	It could be anything.
	Then, yes.
	But it could also be looks.
	Okay.
	Right.
	And did that have an impact on that relationship?
	No, because I don't.
	Really?
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm a different person.
	Like, I just don't think like that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, I don't, if I'm dating a hot person, it doesn't mean I'm gonna, like, I would date anyone.
	Like, I don't care if they don't have a freaking leftover.
	Does somebody else want to fucking weigh in?
	You're mad that I want to meet the middle ground.
	What, you've been hogging the mic a little bit.
	You're talking to me.
	Well, no, this was a generalized question for the panel.
	Okay, go ahead.
	The hottest guys, I feel like, though, they're that you don't want those guys as the long term because they're the ones that tend to have the most trauma and the most baggage.
	And that's why they end up with other people that are in the same, other women that are in the same boat as them.
	So, like, is that a statistic that hot guys have trauma?
	It's been my personal experience.
	So, the hotter they are, the more baggage they bring to the table.
	And they could say that about women as well.
	And I know they do.
	And that's not fair.
	But at some point, yeah, the average man will go look for the average woman because he doesn't want to deal with the hot girls' bullshit because that's they're just.
	But average guys don't have access to hot women.
	Yes, they do.
	Yes, they do.
	How so?
	Explain it to me.
	Maybe not ask much, but look, I've already.
	Okay, here's the differential.
	Here's the differential.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Who here has had a like a one-night stand?
	No shame.
	Who's had a one-night stand?
	I've had a one-night stand.
	Who's had the one-night stand?
	Is that when I say you never talk to him again?
	Okay, you hooked up with a guy.
	Nobody really fucking liars.
	Okay.
	So anyways.
	Look, I know some of you haven't, but here's the difference is as a woman, if you are inclined towards having a one-night stand, if you are going to break your rules and you are going to be like, yeah, well, I kind of prefer like something a bit more serious, but oh, he's really hot.
	I'm going to just hook up with him, whatever.
	That's the way women sort tend to lean.
	If you are going to have a hookup, he better at least be really hot.
	Men operate differently.
	Men, if we're just having a hookup, men just want to, I mean, obviously you want to get the best, the hottest you can get, but men will go down in order to get said hookup, whereas women will be way more selective when it comes to who they're going to hook up with.
	So there's even a differential there.
	Like men, like average women, average men are not like just constantly able to get access to women outside of their league.
	Maybe not constantly, but it does happen.
	It does happen.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, sure.
	If you're funny and nice, it'll happen.
	Okay, but now you're introducing.
	Okay, what percentage of men are funny?
	Like what?
	Like, I don't know, maybe like 60%.
	60%?
	A lot of men are not funny.
	Are funny or not funny?
	Are not funny.
	60% are not funny.
	No, okay.
	60% are funny.
	Just because, okay, like my sense of, I can find a lot of things funny.
	The only thing I don't find funny are like overly like racist jokes or overly like homophobic jokes, which I feel like a lot of men rely on for their humor.
	And that's not funny.
	Like have more substance.
	Okay, so men aren't funny because they're just doing homophobic jokes.
	Is that well, if they, if that's all they rely on, then yeah, that's not funny.
	Okay, so then most men aren't funny then.
	If you're saying that they all rely on like I didn't say they all do.
	I said like if you do rely on that, you're not funny.
	But I do feel like a lot of men that I've met don't just rely on that.
	So that's why I said 60% are funny.
	I'd say 40% are not funny.
	So you would fuck 60% of men.
	No.
	Really?
	I wouldn't fuck them.
	I thought you said it was just because they're funny.
	Can have sex with hot women.
	I said, if you're funny and nice, you have more of a chance than you have to do.
	Oh, yeah, more of a chance.
	Okay.
	Like, sure.
	It's good for you to be cute too, but if you're funny and nice, you don't necessarily have to be hot, the hottest thing ever.
	Like, women a lot of times will go for things.
	They're not going to have a chance.
	How much of an edge does that give them if they're funny and nice?
	Saying funny and nice.
	If they make you laugh, you have your eyes closed.
	You don't pay attention to that.
	But isn't it true?
	Like, you like women are shallow like that?
	Because I don't understand it.
	Like, I don't really, I don't really like guys that are overly attractive.
	So I'm just wondering, do you guys only go for guys that are like, oh my God, he's so hot?
	No, no.
	That's what I was saying.
	Like, if you're funny and nice, like, you don't necessarily have to be overly attractive just because you have these other qualities.
	I feel like men, like, you have to be attractive to them in some capacity.
	Yes.
	Because men are a little bit more shallow.
	I like a guy that's talented.
	Anything, any kind of passion, yeah.
	Talented.
	Just because he'll dick you down doesn't mean he'll wipe you up.
	That's the lesson.
	Absolutely right.
	That's the lesson here.
	Just because he'll dick you down doesn't mean he'll wipe you up.
	So that's kind of the main main point here.
	It's like attractive men, they're going to sleep with women who they don't find commitment level attractive.
	So to be clear, attractive men, they will sleep with women who they don't find commitment level attractive.
	So what does this mean?
	So I think as women, for you guys, in order to sleep with a guy, he needs to be at least attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
	So what are you like?
	Are you saying like if you're sleeping with a guy and you think you're gonna be like committed to him in a relationship or like dating material?
	No, so I'm saying, okay, for whatever.
	So for my position is for a one-night stand, women are gonna overly prioritize looks, obviously.
	Like I doesn't make sense.
	Oh, he's he's such a catch, but I'm only gonna fuck him once.
	Okay.
	So when it comes to one-night stands, women will prioritize looks.
	But my belief is in order for a girl to sleep with a guy, he has to be good-looking enough for her to be in a relationship with him.
	But men will sleep with women that they aren't attracted enough to to be in a relationship with.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, but what's your point?
	Like, this, this, well, my point would be it ties into the looks rating thing because men are prepared to give you some limited access to them, typically in the form of like short-term casual sexual encounters, but they will never give you commitment just on the sole basis of how you look.
	They'll be like, eh, I'll have sex with her, but she's not good-looking enough to be in a relationship with.
	Whereas for women, they're like, it's the reverse.
	You're saying like it's a bad thing.
	Like, if like, like, why is it a problem?
	Like, say they want to only hook up with people that they would find datable.
	Like, because a man will fuck anything, you know, that's what you're saying.
	Like, no, I'm not saying that that, hold on.
	I'm not saying whether that's good or bad.
	I'm just pointing out that this is how men operate.
	True.
	So don't get con like a lot of y'all will confuse sexual sexual attraction for romantic intention.
	Sorry, Alex.
	So you'll get it confused just because to be clear, just because a guy wants to fuck you means nothing in terms of him wanting a relationship with you.
	And look, I think it's wrong for guys to do this.
	Me personally, my perspective is if you want to sleep with a girl, you should have an intention of something long-term there.
	Like, I don't want to just sleep with a girl once and that's it and never see her again.
	I want there to be continuity.
	But a lot of men don't move.
	I don't know if it's a lot, but enough men move in such a way that they might even lie about their long-term intentions to get you into bed.
	Maybe some of you have experienced this.
	The guy's like, yeah, I want a relationship with you.
	He fucks you once and never talks to you again.
	You get ghosted.
	I feel like it says more about the man than the woman like dating, like talking to you.
	Right, well, I agree.
	It's wrong to mislead somebody about your long-term intentions in furtherance of getting them to sleep with you.
	That's 100% wrong.
	But you got to be realistic as women when you approach this.
	Yes, men do.
	That is wrong for men to do.
	But you got to realize that that is how some men move.
	Or a lot of guys might also be upfront with it too.
	And you might just be like, well, he's hot, whatever.
	He'll change his mind.
	And you'll get caught up in some situation where you want commitment.
	And he doesn't.
	And he told you from the get-go, this is what it is.
	And you're still like, damn, he's so fucking hot.
	Now I'm catching feelings.
	Now I didn't want something, but now I do want something.
	And you're never going to get that commitment.
	So basically, this whole segment is just to warn us.
	To like put a warning out.
	Don't date the hot men because they're not going to want to marry you.
	Is that like the point?
	Well, it's related to the looks thing.
	Got it.
	It's related to the rating.
	Yeah, related to the looks rating.
	And I mean, the other component is it's like once you've had a taste of a certain caliber of, and this could go both ways.
	Hold on, let me play this.
	Oops, is it going to play?
	Fucking Streamlabs.
	Whack as fuck.
	There it is.
	Fuka donated $200.
	All of the women need to share a moment where they read something on a dating app that was funny enough for them to talk to a less attractive male.
	Even Ellie.
	Dang, Ellie.
	Anybody?
	We're not on dating apps.
	Yeah.
	We're not on dating apps.
	Attraction has to be there first.
	Oh, you have something?
	Sorry.
	I'm just going to kind of throw this out there and you guys can also like jump in.
	On the topic of looks, since this whole conversation started based off reading our looks, what would be considered conventionally attractive?
	Like, what would you consider is hot and is not hot?
	Because I feel like a lot of people have different opinions and everyone has a certain type.
	And I feel like that is also based around what, you know, our decision of whether, yeah, he's hot.
	I'm going to have sex with him.
	Or no, he's not really like, you know, the one that I would be interested having sex with or having a relationship with.
	So you're asking me what a hot guy is?
	Is that?
	Well, it goes both ways through women and men.
	So I feel like this goes for the entire panel as well.
	Sure.
	Let me let this other one play and then I'll come into on that.
	Chef Dill Pickles donated $200.
	Does someone else want to weigh in?
	You want to leave the mark.
	Go weigh in with clothes.
	That was so funny.
	That actually was not.
	It was not intentional, to be honest.
	Not intentional.
	Oh my God, boys, can you see the fire in the background?
	Yeah.
	You see that, boys?
	It's the fucking fire, boys.
	You see that smoke, that smog?
	Rain or shine, tsunami, or catastrophic fire.
	I will bring the show must go on.
	I bring the whatever podcast.
	Soki, the question is: like, what is beauty?
	Is that kind of the question?
	Or what would you consider is conventionally attractive?
	Because I feel like, especially in this day and age, a lot of people have different opinions.
	And attractiveness is one of those main topics of what you decide you want to further pursue in life.
	Like, romantically-wise, not necessarily, like, career or anything.
	So, yeah, I just wanted to open that up to the panel.
	What is beauty?
	Go ahead.
	Well, I learned like for women, beauty is hip-to-waist, or yeah, hip-to-waist ratio.
	You need like a thin, like smaller waist than your hips.
	I forget the number, but yeah, there's like a math.
	And then, like, symmetry is a good indicator.
	It's like health.
	Basically, fertility is beauty.
	Biologically speaking.
	But I don't know about men.
	I don't know about men's beauty.
	Personally, I like men that can't dress and have bad hair and are kind of overweight.
	I don't like the blonde guy type thing.
	They make you feel safe.
	I think I'm weird for that.
	I don't know if anyone else is.
	It's called ugly hot, you know, when they're like hot to you, but they're weird.
	I can see it in the face, but I know like they're not the way they're dressed, their hair, it's all messed up.
	Yeah, I kind of like that.
	I think you're capping Felicity.
	I'm not.
	I think you're full of shit.
	Why would I lie about that?
	Wait, I've never seen your ex-boyfriend.
	Yo, Mary, is this, is she describing her ex?
	He's never even seen him.
	Oh, you haven't seen him?
	You haven't seen him, no.
	All right, maybe you can show me a photo and I can tell you.
	Well, I made him hot.
	You made him hot.
	But it was a little project for you.
	I had to redo his closet a little bit.
	Well, I mean, to your point, I do think that there are certain traits.
	You mentioned symmetry, for example.
	I think that typically refers to facial symmetry.
	Although I guess your body could be all fucking weird or something.
	I don't know.
	But like health indicators, proportionality, these are consistently preferred across cultures.
	So, you know, there are certain like different beauty standards across cultures, but they still like symmetry, health indicators, proportionality, these are still observed cross-culturally.
	And they're pretty universal.
	In the same way that like, what about what about a sunset or a flower is universally seen as beautiful?
	Even before there was, you know, communication between different cultures, like, okay, this culture over here, flowers were beautiful.
	This culture over here, flowers were beautiful.
	That does point to there being a sort of innate human response to visual harmony and a universal component of beauty.
	I do think, so beauty is subjective.
	It's not strictly subjective, but it is like it's not objective in a philosophical sense.
	But there are objective components to beauty.
	So, yeah.
	The show.
	Oh, show.
	All right, good talk, I guess.
	I don't know if that answers your question.
	Well, it also, I kind of want to extend it to male attractiveness as well.
	Yeah, sure.
	And I kind of want to hear your opinion on it just because you are a male yourself.
	I'm not asking you, like, oh, like, do you think other men are hot?
	Just like as in itself, just kind of one of those, oh, well, you know, most women would prefer taller men, taller, skinnier men.
	Sure.
	Or like whether facial hair is attractive or not, all of that.
	But I just would like to hear your opinion.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, I'd say generally speaking, women have a preference for men who are tall, taller men.
	Can you guys not be whispering back there, please?
	Generally, yeah, men prefer taller women.
	Or wait, sorry.
	The fucking condo back there threw me off.
	Women prefer taller men.
	I'd say typically women prefer more masculine features in the face, although there is, you know, there's some discrepancy on this.
	Like certain more feminine facial features can be deemed attractive by women.
	So typically like more like sharper features on men tend to be deemed more physically attractive.
	This is actually funny.
	I don't know if you guys know about buccal fat removal.
	So women project, they seem to project what they think is attractive even onto women.
	So they'll take sort of their female gaze in terms of how they look towards men and apply it to women.
	So that's men actually prefer like a more like more facial fat, but women seem to prefer, at least in their preference to other women, prefer like the slimmer, like high cheekbone, like buccal fat removal or whatever the fuck.
	But from the male perspective, that makes women look worse when they get the fat removal in the face.
	So that's kind of an interesting component.
	But I don't know, some other things.
	There's all kinds of terms, like I can't remember all of them, but in terms of what women find attractive in men.
	Strong jawline.
	I think most women typically prefer, you mentioned beard.
	I think they actually prefer, generally speaking, clean-shaven, or not clean-shaven, but they typically prefer against beards.
	And I think that depends on the age too, of course.
	I think older women, as they get a bit older, have a bit more of a preference towards beards.
	Younger women, stronger preference without beard.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	Dark hair.
	Women prefer dark hair, I guess.
	Possibly.
	I mean, I don't know if it's a massive preference.
	Like, if a guy has blonde hair, I don't know if it's.
	There is statistics that.
	Yeah, there are statistics.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would say also women have a tendency to prefer physical strength in the physique.
	So like a more athletic or muscular build.
	I'm not talking like massive bodybuilder.
	I think women have a preference against that.
	But generally speaking, women have a strong preference for some degree of muscularity.
	So there's definitely a preference just in masculine men overall.
	Like a masculine men that still does those masculine things, like want to take care of her, want to open car doors, want to take her out.
	And I would take a very masculine man who's not as attractive and funny over a super hot guy that is really buff and physically fit any day.
	But he's like feminine?
	Yeah, not as masculine.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Right, but you would prefer he has that and also be masculine in his demeanor and disposition.
	Well, yeah, my preference would be that.
	But I would take if like a very masculine man showed up that was maybe shorter than what I normally would go for, I would still Entertain him because of his masculinity, because he is a good guy, because he does those things.
	Okay, just mine, yeah.
	I don't know, man.
	Anyways, going back to the 10th thing, you know what I mean?
	You know what I mean?
	If I was skinny, what would you rate me?
	Is it just like because I feel like me being fat, like, it definitely takes me points down, and I understand that.
	But in the fat world, somebody wants to AI her, please.
	Make her whatever.
	I don't know.
	Make me whatever.
	It's hard to tell.
	I mean, there's definitely, you know, it has a huge impact on facial attractiveness too.
	When you, you know, as you lose weight, face starts to thin out.
	So I can't, in my mind's eye, I can't picture it.
	So I don't know, come back to me in two years when you're whatever.
	When I'm whenever.
	When you're, yeah.
	Okay.
	We'll do.
	You're pretty symmetrical.
	Yeah.
	She's beautiful.
	She's a 10.
	I'm an artist.
	Bro.
	Her face is a 10.
	She's beautiful.
	She's just her own flavor.
	My love flavor.
	See, that's part of the problem, though.
	The other part of the problem is the female friend's gonna gas up.
	No, like, I'm gonna gas up.
	I paint woman.
	I honestly think she's really beautiful.
	Thank you.
	I'm not ugly.
	Like, just because I'm fat, I think I'm ugly.
	And you can think I'm ugly.
	That's fine.
	That's your opinion.
	But I'm just saying, like, my favorite.
	Well, so there's facial attractiveness, but then, like, I think body is incorporated into somebody's looks and appearance.
	But typically, I think when we say ugly, we are referring more so to facial attractiveness.
	But of course, like, somebody who could have like a killer face card, if they're like really obese, that's going to impact their facial attractiveness.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	I mean, some of these fat girls, though, it's not really impacting the face that much.
	But like, what if she's hot, but she's a shitty person?
	Like, that's not, that's not hot.
	Like, for me, that's a, you're not hot.
	You're cool.
	Same thing for a guy.
	Men's not hot.
	I agree.
	Dude, this fire, I'm kind of scared, boys.
	Do you see the fucking smoke?
	Yeah.
	Boys, the smoke is creeping up on the studio.
	Studio, boys.
	That's crazy shit.
	Wait, how far is it?
	It's like a mile away.
	Bro.
	No.
	Is it actually?
	I'm out.
	We're good.
	Taking a turn home.
	But that's part of the prom.
	Why is that a problem?
	What did you rate yourself?
	What did you rate yourself?
	I rate myself a six today.
	I feel kind of dry.
	Like, I don't know.
	Dry.
	Like, I've been vaping.
	Oh, dry.
	Not rehydrate.
	Yeah.
	I don't feel like intense.
	Remember that clip we pulled up the other day on Twitter, Nick?
	Here, I'm going to see if I can find it.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Okay.
	So you said she's a 10.
	You said she's beautiful, right?
	If I said that you looked like her, that's a compliment.
	Yeah, honestly, yeah.
	Like, I think her face is prettier than mine.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Thank you.
	What about the body, though?
	I don't know.
	We're not talking about body.
	And it's okay.
	That's part of the look.
	No, not really.
	Oh, my God.
	This is so annoying.
	I haven't seen her naked.
	What if it's like, oh.
	Oh, my God.
	She's sitting right next to you.
	My type changes every day.
	She's not wearing like a Moomu?
	A Burka.
	Yeah.
	But even in the fur cast.
	She knocks me down points, but she's saying that she thinks I'm a beautiful woman, and that's okay.
	She's a beautiful woman.
	And I think a fat girl is still beautiful.
	That's my opinion.
	I'm attracted to fat people, and you're not, and that's okay.
	But this is the difference between how like women talk and interact with other women versus how men interact with other men.
	Like, if like I've never had, like, I've gained a bit of weight.
	I've gotten a little chubby.
	None of my male friends are like, wow, Brian, slay king.
	Like, you're so hot.
	Like, blah, blah, blah.
	Oh, my God.
	You're 10.
	Oh, my God.
	Would you like that?
	No.
	Why not?
	I want them to be like, you fucking fat piece of shit.
	Lose some weight.
	That's what I don't want.
	You think I'm a fucking shit?
	No, I'm talking about myself.
	But you're talking about I'm fat.
	I'm a fat.
	No, I'm talking about myself.
	I said I gained some weight.
	I don't want them to gas me up, be like, oh, no, you're, you're perfect the way you are.
	No.
	Fucking just, you don't got to insult me, but don't lie to me either.
	I feel like it's hurting your friends if you're not telling them the truth.
	No, I agree in a health way.
	That's what she said right now is not a problem.
	Like, if she's my real friend and, like, saw how I gained all that weight in the relationship, like, my friends were like, girl, like, slow it down.
	Like, and I was, I knew it was bad too.
	And then my friend came to me and was like, hey, health-wise, but if they're like, you're gorgeous, that's not a problem.
	Like, it's, we can detach the healthiness.
	Like, I know being fat's not healthy.
	I'm not one of those fat people.
	Like, being fat's not healthy.
	It's obvious.
	Like, but you can also detach like a man thinking, me thinking I'm attractive.
	It's a thing.
	For sure.
	I get bitches, Brian.
	I get hotter bitches than you do.
	Just saying.
	Oh, you're are you bi?
	I'm very bi.
	Hit my DMs, ladies.
	I'm just kidding.
	What did you say?
	What's the problem now?
	Is the problem that I'm bi too?
	No, just you said you get hotter bitches than the girls that I pull are crazy.
	Just saying.
	Like, a girl likes to be a little bit more.
	Who nears bi, just curious.
	Any bi?
	Oh.
	Just because I might not be her type, and that's okay.
	Like, what's your type for women?
	Honestly, I prefer like more masculine women.
	Oh, she's kind of masculine.
	So like studs.
	Not like studs, but like, I don't know how to explain it.
	I think my energy is that.
	Have you been?
	Have you been with we'll keep it centered for a bit, Nick?
	Have you been with a woman in that way?
	I have.
	Okay.
	Do you like white girls, black girls, Asian girls?
	She was white.
	Oh, there's been one.
	There's only one one.
	White girl.
	Yes.
	And she was masculine.
	Yes.
	Like tomboy masculine or what are we talking about?
	Almost like always wore like the baggier clothes.
	Her hair was like a lot shorter.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And you're bi too?
	Do you have a type for the ladies?
	I would say like my personal type is more athletic.
	Like everyone I've dated has probably like played sports and she's very athletic.
	I'm extremely athletic.
	She's a fat girl.
	I actually was.
	I was like, I did sports and everything.
	I did roller derby.
	Are you guys, is there like tension here?
	No.
	Yeah, I'm getting hot and heavy.
	No, it's that's like I said the last time, it's okay because I'm not going on hikes and I'm not going roller skating and stuff like that.
	So if a girl doesn't want to date me because I'm not like matching their physical.
	You should try roller skating.
	A fat girl down is not, that's a problem.
	You can do it.
	I used to, I would play, I did roller derby.
	I was like a roller skater and I don't do that anymore because if you fall when you're fat, it's like a problem.
	But yeah, if you don't like me because our lifestyles don't match up and you're not like if you're going on hikes every day, that makes sense too.
	Like we don't need to, this is still stupid.
	What's that thing from the there's this meme something about wait, what's that?
	Better bitches, better, wait, what?
	Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
	No, I'm lost.
	The Papa John's thing?
	Papa John's better ingredients, better press.
	Oh, better.
	Wait, what is that?
	Wait, fuck.
	How does that go?
	Better ingredients.
	Better, better pizza.
	Better pizza.
	Better bitches.
	Better.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	My clothes better.
	My shoes better.
	Something like that.
	I don't know.
	Apparently, you get more bitches than I do.
	I do, and that's just a fact, but it's okay.
	What the fuck?
	You say you only deal with people that are like that.
	I deal with all different types of women.
	Just a thing.
	It's more like your personal.
	How does that work?
	What are we asking here?
	You know how you said it's hard, like, if you're dating a fat guy, can it work with a fat woman?
	Or is it still fucking fun?
	Yeah, with a fat woman, it's fine.
	Because I don't have a pee-pee to put in the, you know, it's like a manual.
	Wouldn't that be harder if it was a chick?
	Yeah, obviously.
	What are you doing?
	Yeah.
	Like scissoring.
	Oh, my God.
	If I'm just hooking up with a, like, I've hooked up with all different types of women.
	So it's, I don't discriminate.
	If you're hot on my vibe.
	I'm happy.
	I'm happy for you.
	Thank you.
	I'm happy for myself as well.
	Lesbian sex has saved my life.
	Not kidding.
	Mayo, if you, you know.
	I mean, I do.
	Yeah.
	I do not kidding.
	I've had a bunch of lesbian sex.
	I'm talking about my bosses up here.
	I don't know about that.
	Yeah.
	That's cool.
	All right.
	Well, oh, question on this.
	Going around the table.
	Going around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	It's so funny.
	Into the mic?
	No, I don't think I'll be hotter in 10 years.
	Just the same?
	Or I'll probably be reaching a decline.
	I think I'll expire.
	She's expired.
	25.
	I'm already on my way out.
	She's 18.
	Fertility downhill from there.
	All-time low.
	All-time low.
	Better looking in 10 years?
	Yes.
	Probably rich as fuck and skinny.
	So hell yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, question on that.
	Assuming you did lose any weight, would you be better looking in 10 years?
	No.
	Okay.
	But you do plan to lose weight.
	What about 43 versus 23?
	So 20 years.
	Better looking?
	Yeah, well, with the science nowadays, and I'm going to have lots of money too, so I can afford whatever I want, surgery I want.
	So hell yeah.
	What do you do for work?
	Well, I'm talking on the future.
	But you said you're going to have lots of money.
	How do you know that?
	I just know.
	Manifest, right, girl?
	That's right.
	I'm speaking it into the future.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Respect it.
	By the way, I noticed you're wearing a cross.
	Are you Christian?
	No.
	I respect all religions, though.
	why are you wearing a cross because i think it's i because i respect it enough that i feel like i can like i don't disrespect religion And I'm not.
	You should wear a burqa.
	That's cute, too.
	That's a good look.
	I'm just wearing it.
	I got it gifted to me and I'm wearing it.
	But I wear crosses.
	think if if you're against that religion i don't think you should and i think it's like can women wear fezzes Can a woman wear a fez?
	What's that?
	It's not a fez.
	What's that?
	A fez?
	It's like that red hat with the string and the tassel.
	I'm disrespecting that.
	Clutch.
	Fucking Ellie is clutch coming in with the assist there.
	Can women wear fezes?
	Is that a religious garment or is that just like from like Aladdin like that?
	Yes, it's from the Disney movie from the 90s.
	That's the origination of the fez.
	A fez was he did wear a fez, I'm pretty sure in Aladdin.
	That's what I thought.
	Yeah, so okay, that's cool.
	So better looking at 100?
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna be dead by that.
	When's the peak?
	When are you in peak?
	I think my peaks will be like 30.
	30?
	Yeah, I'm gonna give myself like three years to lose all the weight, three years to like get surgeries and all that stuff done, and then we'll be hot as fuck.
	Hot as fuck.
	Yeah, hot as fuck.
	So, Slay Queen.
	I was skinny.
	I'm a pretty girl.
	I was skinny at one point, and I know what I looked like.
	My eyes glisten.
	My nose is cute as fuck.
	I have good lips, good teeth.
	I'm cute.
	I don't care what you say.
	Sorry.
	Lit.
	You're lit.
	Lit.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	You're 27, 37?
	29.
	I'm 29.
	But in 10 years.
	Oh, you're 29?
	Yeah.
	Why did I write 20 ups?
	Probably from because I think you might have said 20.
	The DM from two years ago.
	Okay.
	Well, that's fine.
	You're 29.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 39?
	I don't know.
	Honestly, like, when I was 19, I did not think I would look better in 10 years, and I think I kind of like the same.
	I don't know.
	I think no.
	Okay.
	And then were you better looking 10 years ago at 19?
	Honestly, no.
	I didn't know how to dress or do my makeup.
	So, no, not really.
	What about you?
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	33?
	I think I could be.
	Like, if I'm being honest, I don't go to the gym as much as I could, and I don't eat the best.
	But if I fixed all those things, I definitely could be.
	What about 20 years' time, 43?
	No.
	I feel like it probably goes downhill then.
	Sure.
	You're 19?
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 29?
	You know, I would hope so.
	I feel like if I kept up everything I'm kind of doing now, I could be.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	What about 20 years' time at 39?
	Better looking?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I would say so.
	Sure.
	Cool.
	Wait.
	30 years' time, 59.
	No, wait, 49.
	49?
	Better looking?
	Probably around the same as I would look if I was 39.
	So still.
	Like that 10-year would just be like.
	Better looking?
	Than how you look now?
	Oh, yes.
	At 49?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about 59, 40 years?
	Oh, okay.
	59.
	59?
	Better looking at 59 or now how you are now?
	Look, keep pushing.
	Okay.
	I can manifest it.
	Yeah, you know what?
	That's what I'm going to do after this.
	We're just going to manifest.
	I look amazing.
	Okay.
	When's your peak, you think?
	Probably sometime in my 20s.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	You were 49?
	That's what I wrote down here.
	Not 49, but you should have just said it.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	There's a sky there.
	Let's leave it.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Keep going.
	Better looking at 59 versus 49?
	No.
	No, I don't.
	Probably not.
	I mean, I just hope to age gracefully and something ask at this point.
	And then compared to 10 years ago, were you better looking 10 years ago?
	Honestly, I don't think so.
	Better looking now?
	I think so.
	Okay, at somewhere in your 40s versus somewhere in your 30s?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Okay, what about 20 years ago?
	Better looking at some point in your 20s or better looking now some point in your 40s?
	Probably.
	You know what?
	I think 40s.
	20s were.
	I just wasn't healthy, that's all.
	Not like physically, I just there wasn't going to do it.
	Okay.
	Didn't feel good?
	Too much binge drinking?
	No, I just worked a lot.
	I worked a lot of jobs, and so it was just too stressful.
	You're 21.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time, 31?
	I think so.
	Because black don't crack.
	I'm kidding.
	But no, I will have like a lot of nutritionists, and I'll be going to the gym more.
	So.
	Okay.
	20 years' time, 41.
	Better looking?
	No.
	Okay.
	Felicity, 19.
	Better looking in 10 years' time, 29?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, what we've gone ahead and done is we have put all of you through AI age advancement.
	Oh, and we're going to test and see if you are in fact going to look better as all of you age.
	But first, before we do that, you know, while the sun is still out, we're going to pause just momentarily.
	Because, you know, I don't want to be looking at pictures of old people while we have such a fantastic sunset here in the background.
	Oh, my goodness, it is on fire.
	The sky is on fire.
	So what I'm going to do, I'm going to do a couple reminders.
	We're not going to pull them up, Nick, but I'm just going to remind you guys, Reed is 100, TTS 200.
	If you guys want to get it in.
	Venmo Cash App.
	That's whatever pod.
	I need to shout out a couple people.
	Thomas, thank for the 10.
	Trevor, thank for the 10.
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	I'm not sure if I said your name right.
	John straight on Venmo with the big 50.
	Dude, thank you so much, man.
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	We'll give you guys shout outs.
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	So I need you guys to drop a prime sub.
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	Join the discord, discord.gg slash whatever, and like the video.
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	Okay, that's great.
	You know, the sun's still really nice.
	I kind of just want to leave it center here for a bit to capture the beautiful sunset.
	So I'm going to get into the show notes, but we will pull up those age advancements here in just a moment.
	So let's see.
	We have Jillian.
	You said you're particularly passionate about the roles of men versus women in relationships and what each deserves slash expects.
	What do men and women deserve?
	I guess that was kind of just a general topic.
	I didn't really know what specifically to put there, but I guess it's just like I wanted to talk about the, I guess, the roles of like what like traditional masculinity in relationships versus like traditional femininity in relationships, like women versus men.
	Like I personally believe in like traditional masculinity.
	Like I want someone to open the door for me, someone to like bring me flowers and do those traditionally masculine things.
	And then I am perfectly content doing the traditionally feminine things.
	Which are what?
	Like, I guess I would say being more submissive.
	Like I would stay home and not work if that was offered to me.
	Yeah, that's not being submissive.
	I feel like that's like traditionally like a woman, like a traditional women's role though.
	Yeah, but a woman could stay home and take care of the household and be an argumentative, quarrelsome bitch.
	I don't plan on being an argumentative, quarrelsome bitch.
	But so what does being submissive mean to you?
	To me, I guess like, so for example, like if my husband like paid all the bills and did everything for me, I would like do laundry.
	I would like make him food.
	If he told me he like didn't like me doing something, depending on what it is, I would listen to him.
	Depending on what it is.
	Depending on what it is.
	Like I'm not going to marry someone that's going to be like overly like aggressive about that kind of stuff though.
	Okay.
	Like if he like was like, I don't like you wearing like certain types of dresses.
	I don't even like dress that wild, but like if it was like a modest dress, like if someone told me they didn't like me wearing this, I probably would tell them to kick rocks.
	Well, that's not being submissive.
	Well, yeah, because I wouldn't want to submit to that.
	What?
	Oh.
	Like I'm picky about being submissive, but if they're like reasonable, I will submit to them.
	Why would it be unreasonable for a guy to want his girlfriend to dress a certain way?
	Not that it's unreasonable to want someone to dress a certain way, but I feel like this is not overly immodest.
	So I feel like if someone, like, I just wouldn't date someone who would think that this is not modest enough because I don't really feel the need to dress modestly.
	Can you maybe stand up so they can see the outfit, I guess?
	The outfit.
	Okay.
	So is it a bra underneath?
	A bralette.
	What?
	Okay.
	So if your boyfriend or whatever was like, yeah, I don't really feel comfortable with you wearing that, you would do what?
	It depends.
	So if he like provided everything for me, then like maybe I would maybe listen.
	You would.
	Yeah, maybe.
	I would maybe listen and I would maybe like wear something different.
	Well, you're currently in a relationship, right?
	I am.
	You've been dating him for two months?
	Yeah.
	Does he cover everything?
	Does like he wear modest outfits?
	No, you is your dynamic that which you described where he's covering.
	Oh, like payments?
	No.
	Do you guys live together?
	No.
	Okay, so it's pretty early on.
	Yeah.
	If he was, though, and he told you, hey, you know, I don't like what you're wearing.
	Can you wear something else?
	Would you do it?
	This outfit?
	Probably right now?
	No.
	Well, not right now, but you ran it by him the night before and he was like, eh, can you wear something else?
	Well, we've only been together for, if you're asking me, like, hypothetically, like, if this, like, if he did cover everything, then, like, maybe.
	But since right now, like, we don't live together, we've only been together for two months, he also dresses, like, pretty, I wouldn't say, like, immodest.
	He dresses like a strumpet.
	I mean, he wears like jackets with like no shirt underneath.
	So, like, he kind of dresses this way, too.
	So, I know he has no problem with it.
	But that's what I was saying.
	I probably personally wouldn't date someone who would have a problem with it.
	Like, I guess I would be more submissive in like other ways.
	Okay.
	But you want the guy to be 100% traditional?
	Like, in a lot of aspects.
	I wouldn't say like 100% because there are some things that like.
	What are some other things you would not submit to, I guess?
	So, he actually brought up an example to me.
	I don't know if it was said on this podcast or something else that he watched, but it was like if a husband was to come home and be like, we're moving to this state because my job says so and you have no say about it.
	I would not just submit to that and be like, okay, let's go.
	Like, I would probably be like, why are you talking to me like that?
	You're just going to come in here and tell me we're leaving.
	And I don't, like, you're not even going to talk to me about it?
	Yeah, we can play the clip you're referencing.
	I might be quoting it wrong, but this is based off of what he told me.
	So I don't know.
	Yeah, I mean, so we had a male guest who came on the show who we'll play the clip.
	Okay.
	Let me see if I can find it.
	I think I know where it is.
	One sec.
	I'll reserve my judgment until I see the clip.
	I'm so sorry.
	No, I mean, you were probably pretty spot on with it.
	Okay.
	Here, I'll send this private chat.
	One sec, guys, while we get that going.
	But okay, this is assuming.
	Oops.
	That would have been that.
	This is assuming that he's taking care of everything, paying all the bills, and you're not working.
	So I even, I told my boyfriend this too.
	I was like, if someone came to me like respectfully and was like, hey, my job says we need to relocate here for, you know, and like I have no say in it, are you okay with that?
	Like I would 99% sure be okay with it because I'd be like, yeah, like if your job needs it, let's go.
	Like we'll figure it out.
	But if he came at me and was like, you have no say in this, we're moving, then I probably would not be okay with it just because you came at me like that.
	Like I want you to respect my opinion and I would probably agree with you to go, but just be respectful.
	So you want to have the conversation about it.
	Yeah, like I want to know that like someone would like respect my ideas.
	Okay.
	So, when it comes to instances in which you can be submissive, you want to have the conversation first, and then based on the tone and how that conversation goes, you then are the ultimate arbiter of whether you opt to submit or not submit.
	Is that submitting?
	Is that a fair characterization of how you view submission?
	I absolutely see what you're saying.
	But I guess it's because I would submit, but it's just like I would like to just be respected about it.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, Clay, exactly.
	Well, how about this?
	Then, like the traditional guy, what if in each instance where you had an expectation that he be a leader or that he adhere to his traditional role, he wanted to have a conversation with you about it, and the conversation was essentially, I don't know if I want to do that.
	Like, if I was to say, I want to check in first and see if I cannot do the thing.
	So, for example, you want a guy to pay for the first date, right?
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you a question?
	If you were on a date with a guy and the waiter comes, say you go to dinner, you know, go to a nice dinner.
	It doesn't have to be a super fancy place, but a nice dinner, whatever.
	And the waiter comes and he says, two checks, please.
	Is there going to be a second date?
	Probably not, but I wouldn't be disrespectful about it either.
	Like, I wouldn't look at him and be like, but you would have an expectation that he pay for the bill.
	Yes, and that's just my personal conversation.
	Sure.
	Now, let's say he then, within the purview of his traditional gender roles, before him just jumping to that, he says, listen, I'm a traditional chivalrous man, but first I want to have a conversation with you.
	How do you feel about if we go 50-50 on this?
	And he wants to have the conversation.
	I mean, I would honestly respect him for like having the conversation first, but I would ultimately be in my opinion, I guess, to go through with it.
	No, but he wants to have the conversation.
	Okay.
	Like, he's leaning on the business.
	But then, so if I tell him.
	But he's like, babe, can we talk about this?
	So, okay, but if my like answer to him saying that is, okay, well, like, why do we need to go 50-50?
	Like, are you struggling?
	Like, I don't know.
	It depends on how much I actually like.
	He's just like, you know, I just want, I'm not financially struggling, but you ate the food.
	You know, you should pay for it.
	Well, and if I said, well, I just wouldn't prefer that.
	Because in like my scenario, like if he was saying, like, we're going to move and like he came to me respectfully about it and I would agree with him.
	In this scenario.
	You agree with him.
	But I would agree with him as a thing.
	Like if he was like, we have to move from my job.
	And I like, but he was nice about it.
	I'd be like, okay.
	Here's the scenario.
	You love the guy, whatever.
	You're submissive.
	He wants to move somewhere.
	And the entailment of that is you have your established friend group.
	You like where you live.
	The new place that you're moving to, you will like it less.
	And all your friends, you lose your friend group that's at least there in person.
	But he's like, look, in my determination as the leader of the relationship, this is the move financially for us together to do.
	Okay.
	You're going to move to North Dakota?
	Honestly.
	Well, so is it a known fact that I wouldn't like it there?
	Like, because you said, like, this is a stipulation that you wouldn't like it.
	No, I don't think I said that, but I said that you like the current place that you do live and all your friends live there.
	Yeah, I can make new friends.
	I don't mind.
	Okay.
	But you're moving to somewhere that you will like less than the place that you currently live.
	So that's like a fact.
	I would like it less.
	Let's assume you're living in.
	Where do you live currently?
	Dallas, Texas.
	I mean.
	Hey, you know, hello, Dallas.
	Weren't there floods there recently?
	Well, there's fires here.
	True.
	Oh, no.
	You're in someplace like fucking Hawaii.
	You're in Hawaii.
	And then he's like, Look, I gotta move.
	We gotta move to Montana.
	Okay, we gotta move to Alaska.
	Yeah, that's a change.
	It is a change.
	Absolutely.
	I guess at the end of the day, like, yeah, I would go because especially if I love this guy, and like I've been to Alaska, no, but Alaska's really pretty.
	I've known people who have gone.
	I mean, it's cold as fucking Alaska summer.
	It's okay.
	I like cold.
	I'm used to like 100-degree weather, and that's too hot for me.
	Okay.
	But I would go, considering I really like, I really love this man and I want to build a family with him.
	Like, I would go.
	But my only thing is, I just want him to tell me.
	I guess he doesn't even have to ask me.
	He can just tell me nicely, like, baby, my job has to have us move here.
	Like, how do you feel about that?
	Like, and if you like, don't like it, tell me why.
	And, like, maybe I like there is no choice, but at least he like considers my feelings.
	Okay, so we're gonna play the clip in question.
	Okay.
	Did I send it?
	Yeah, this is the only way it would come up.
	That's fine.
	Go ahead.
	I can't.
	Go ahead.
	How do you show respect to your wife?
	Yeah.
	Oh, all sorts of ways.
	I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.
	I adore her.
	But here's the thing: the reason that I do this is because if I say this is what ultimately is going to happen, that's the last word in it, and I don't even want to have the conversation.
	We don't.
	Now, she may really want to.
	And I can tell sometimes that she really does, but I don't care because it's my decision ultimately.
	So you don't care about how she feels.
	Oh, no, I didn't say I didn't care how she feels.
	I just don't care to have her question my authority autonomy over the marriage.
	Was there an initial conversation prior to that, or is it just like we're doing this, don't ask me?
	Depends on the context.
	I would say more for like bigger decisions in life, not necessarily like little things.
	Even larger decisions ultimately, let's say I went home and I said, We're moving to Nevada in three weeks.
	Get your bags packed, and I'm not going to have a I don't want to hear a word about it.
	You're doing it, and that's the way it's going.
	You think that's respectful?
	W I think that ultimately it's my choice.
	And how she shows me respect.
	Yeah, that's how she shows me respect.
	Let it play for a little bit.
	Let it play, let it play for me.
	All sorts of ways.
	I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.
	I adore her.
	But the reason that in there, I hate that.
	So that's the clip you disagreed with.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I still disagree with it.
	It just, and it's, and literally, what he's saying, I guess, like, if I was to say I was going to be submissive, what he's saying isn't technically wrong, especially if you're going by traditional roles.
	Like, the man would have the ultimate say then, I guess.
	But it's the fact that he's like cussing at in like the sentence and he's being so aggressive about it.
	You're not going to be aggressive to me.
	You can be like the leader and you can still be nice and respectful and like a loving, caring person.
	But you would acknowledge that when you're relaying something to an outsider, the way that you would actually word that wouldn't necessarily be reflected in how you're wording it in this particular way.
	You could be right.
	I'm not in the relationship, so I don't know how he actually talks to her.
	But you know, he treats her like shit.
	If he says that, like, hold on.
	On the internet, I'm sorry.
	That's absurd.
	I think he's a horrible person.
	I don't like that man at all.
	And the way he was just talking, he's like, yeah, when I get home and I say, we're going to fucking do this and we're going to fuck, fuck you.
	Fuck you.
	And I told you guys.
	I'm sorry.
	I hate him.
	I hate him.
	This is so.
	I like that guy.
	That's right if you like him, but I'm saying, like, I think the way he talks and the way he acts about women is so degrading.
	Like, he thinks that he can say and tell us what to do.
	And all this, that's, it should be a partnership.
	When you're in a relationship, it's okay to have a dominant man.
	Like, Brian, do you agree with the way he talked?
	I like how he said in the first place, he made it known.
	He said, I give my wife everything she needs.
	I wouldn't.
	He says he adores her.
	And by the way, I've seen them together.
	I've had his wife, Rachel, on the show.
	I've heard them talking.
	He treats her wonderfully.
	Okay.
	When he's having that conversation, though, right there, he's taking on a tone that's more directed towards the person he's talking to.
	That doesn't necessarily imply that that's how that's going to go when they're actually in person.
	But even then, I can tell you from firsthand seeing them, he treats her fantastically.
	And I'm glad they're happy.
	I'm saying I don't like that man.
	If she's happy, good for her.
	But the way that.
	You got to fix your mic.
	Can you strain your mic up and like tilt it down a little bit?
	All right.
	I don't think that's fair, though, to go in on an attack on him when he's not here, you know.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Ellie's sister is Victoria's secret.
	You have a.
	Is that true?
	In a previous life, yes.
	What do you mean, a previous life?
	Well, that's like her ex-vocation.
	That's your actual.
	Wait, you said you had a half wait.
	Half-sister.
	Half-sister.
	An ex-model.
	Oh, cool, I guess.
	Congrats, you were congratulations.
	You have that.
	Yeah.
	Congrats.
	That's so funny.
	Okay.
	I just had to make it new real quick.
	Oh, yeah.
	You guys do kind of look alike a bit, I guess.
	That's cool.
	Congrats.
	So what were we talking about?
	Oh, well, okay.
	This was your prompt.
	We're talking about just like submission versus censorship.
	In relationships, what each deserves and expects.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I feel like I laid it out.
	Ellie, do you want to weigh in on this?
	Weigh in on what?
	What we were talking about.
	Man, it's all blurring together.
	Okay, wait.
	About expectations from like submission or whatever?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, referring to like the clip we just saw.
	I mean, if it was predetermined that that's how they are happy to conduct with each other, then I don't see any problem with it.
	And clearly, if they're still together, then I mean.
	I mean, yeah.
	Say if they say if they have like a 20-year-going relationship, if that's working for them, that's that's great for them.
	It's more my opinion on him is more deeply in the things he said on the show, not to his wife.
	If they have a lovely relationship, then I believe that.
	If she's happy, I believe that.
	But I think she could definitely be with another man that could treat her better.
	That's my opinion because I don't think he's a good, I don't think he's a good person.
	And that's just my opinion.
	But do you know him like personally?
	No, from what I, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, I don't, I'm not, like, gonna dance from what I've seen, I don't like that behavior.
	I don't like the way he speaks.
	I don't like the way he talks to people.
	He, when, when the girl was on a podcast, even though she was crazy, like, she was making, he was making fun of her the way he was, she was talking.
	She had a speech impediment.
	Like, the way he talks up to, like, it's okay to call her a crazy bitch because she was a crazy bitch, but to make fun of her, like, speech impediment, you're gross.
	Like, that's, there's things you don't do, and he always crosses that line, in my opinion.
	That's just how I feel.
	I don't think, I think he always crosses the line, and I don't like that.
	I think he's just rude.
	I've met Andrew, and he is a lot nicer in person than you see in the clips, I would say.
	Then why wouldn't he portray himself?
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Why doesn't he, why does he choose that?
	Like, why does he choose the person?
	What's the reason that he's doing this?
	Yeah, I just don't understand why he chooses that role.
	Like, when if he is a good person, be a good person.
	That's what you don't, you're not a good person if you make fun of someone's speech impediment.
	I don't care.
	She was crazy.
	She was in the wrong.
	She was in the wrong, but like, that doesn't mean what he did was okay.
	Like, it's just not okay.
	And he does a lot of things that are not okay, in my opinion.
	I think being rude to people, even if you don't disagree, if you disagree with them, is just like, I'm giving that energy to him because that's the way he talks to other people.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	But I don't know the man in person.
	I don't want to.
	I don't think it's kind to attack someone for a condition they have.
	He said, you sound deaf.
	You sound like being literally so rude, like, and disgusting.
	Like, I hate that is so rude.
	Like, deaf people sound like that because they can't hear themselves.
	And you're going to make it.
	So it's not only he was making fun of her speech impediment, he's making fun of deaf people.
	And being literally like, he was doing this with his hands, being like, you sound deaf.
	Like, so disgusting.
	Like, you're a grown man with children.
	Like, grow up.
	Sorry.
	That's just how I feel.
	Grown adult.
	Yeah.
	And it's, it's okay if you guys go to this is my opinion.
	I don't, I'm not okay with people bowling like that.
	I'm not okay with making fun of someone for if he cussed her out.
	I wouldn't have cared.
	Like you're allowed to be angry with a person, but you're the lines that he crosses are so far off.
	Like it's just ridiculous.
	And why would you choose that as a career?
	Like to be an act like that.
	Like, why is he choosing that?
	You know what I mean?
	You could be a good person and have good debates and faithful conversations instead of that.
	He's trying to piss people off.
	And always is like, define that.
	Define, like, always trying to make girls look stupid.
	It's like, why do you want to do that?
	Why do you want a girl to look like an idiot?
	Just because they're not as educated as you and you're going to use your education as this like thing that like I just don't like it.
	But I think like when he says define that, he kind of gets them in like, if you're going to talk about a topic, you better know like you better know.
	Also, I think you can talk about a topic and not know the exact definition of a word.
	Like you can know the way what the word means, right?
	Like, you know, if someone doesn't know the deep-rooted doesn't mean they don't know that word in that context in the way that they're speaking to stop someone and be able to be like and try to catch them in like, oh, you're an idiot kind of thing.
	I don't like that.
	I'm not going to ask Brian if he knows a word, big word that he's using because I assume that he knows, because he's using it in a sentence that makes sense.
	So I assume he knows the definition and who gives a fuck if he doesn't know it.
	He's using it correctly.
	So move on.
	I would love to see you and Andrew interact.
	I love the personality.
	You're just like, you don't care.
	I'm not scared.
	Come on, Andrew.
	Bring me.
	I'm not kidding.
	I'll come on.
	Andrew's similar.
	He'll lay it out.
	Yeah.
	Call me fat in person, Andrew.
	Did he call you fat?
	No, I'm just saying, I feel he would say that.
	He's like, you're not 10 because you're a fat cow.
	That's what he would say.
	Oh, wow.
	Wow.
	So I heard a lot of I was, I stepped away briefly.
	You obviously got to monologue there a bit uncontested, but I did hear everything that you said.
	So I think I'd like to provide at least some degree of defense here.
	For starters, I think you, you, originally you made statements about his relationship with Rachel.
	First off, I think it's a completely egregious thing to say that you hope that she gets away with him with the implication that he's somehow abusive to her.
	This is categorically not the case.
	He treats her wonderfully.
	She even said, like, will come to his defense frequently all the time.
	She's very happy in the marriage, so doesn't need you to like be like, oh, you should leave him.
	You should get out of the relationship.
	She herself admits they have kids together.
	They've been married for a very long time.
	Nah, but it's very, it's kind of a gross thing to tell a wife that she should leave her husband.
	You don't know the dynamics of their relationship.
	I get that he's ideologically opposed to you and disagrees with you on a great many things.
	But I do think it's kind of in pretty bad taste to tell a wife to leave her husband under the implication that he's abusive.
	I can tell you, as somebody who's known Andrew for a long time, who's seen them interact, never he praises Rachel all the time.
	I didn't say that.
	It's completely inappropriate to tell her with the implication that he's abusive.
	You said I didn't move away from him.
	And in what way is that abusive?
	I mean, he's an asshole.
	The implication.
	Okay, well, oh, he likes pineapple on his pizza, so she should divorce him.
	Oh my gosh.
	I literally moved away from it.
	After I made that comment, I moved away from it real quickly, did I not?
	I said, if she's happy, I said, if she's happy, then I'm happy for her.
	I think there's a man, if it was a different life, I think she could be happier in a different relationship.
	I think the way that he acts is not the type, if she's happy in that marriage, good for her.
	And I didn't say he's abusive.
	But you also have characterized then the other thing I heard when I was back there is you went on to mischaracterize his interaction when you said he was mocking a woman by calling her deaf and doing some certain gestures.
	You conveniently left out the part where prior to his mocking of her, she went ahead and was mocking, I think he was actually coming to my defense even.
	She was mocking me.
	Saying what?
	Are you saying that?
	Oh man, it was honestly, I don't commit to memory all the stupid shit women say on the show, but she was definitely unprompted coming for me.
	And then Andrew's my homie.
	So he's like, in essence, well, F you.
	And then he started mocking her.
	So I think it's fair game as somebody, if she's going to mock him or she's going to mock his friend, me, that he's going to be like, you can get the smoke now.
	Yeah, I can't.
	And he gave her the smoke.
	You're saying everything the opposite said.
	I literally said she deserved.
	That girl was crazy.
	She deserves some smoke.
	What I'm saying is what he said, she didn't make fun.
	She didn't make any fun of you stuff like what he did.
	He's involving the deaf community, pretending.
	The deaf community.
	Are you not hearing what I'm saying?
	He's making fun of her speech.
	That is a physical thing that she cannot control.
	Not her looks, not her weird hair or whatever.
	Like, you.
	She, she came at me first.
	So it wasn't.
	She deserved some smoke.
	Yeah, but it wasn't unprompted.
	It wasn't just like Andrew out of the blue, just to be a jerk, started saying some shit to her.
	She was being fucking obnoxious to the point we had to kick her off the show.
	So you're being, you're doing this disingenuous thing where you're leaving out critical context that attempts to paint him in a really bad light without focusing in on what she did to contribute to getting some smoke back.
	How I literally said, literally that she was, did I not say she was crazy and that she deserved some type of just now?
	No, colour.
	Roll the clips.
	I literally said, did I not say it?
	I literally said she deserves some type of smoke.
	That girl was crazy.
	She was rude.
	She did something bad.
	Yes.
	And I didn't say he was abusive.
	You're saying all the stuff that I didn't say, babe.
	So he, I don't think he's a good person.
	If they're in a good marriage, that's great for him.
	I hope she's happy.
	Period on that.
	The girl deserves some smoke.
	He could have cussed her out.
	He could have done whatever.
	Making fun of someone's speech impediment, saying that you sound like a deaf, Brian thinks it's funny, sounds like a deaf.
	That's a little funny.
	Okay, maybe it's a little ha-ha funny in the moment, but like it's not fucking funny.
	Like that's not funny to make fun of the way that deaf people speak because they can't hear themselves because they're fucking deaf.
	That's not funny.
	That's not funny.
	And if you agree with that, that's funny.
	Look, I have empathy and sympathy for people who are deaf.
	I wouldn't advocate for making fun of somebody on that basis.
	But he was doing a generalized mocking of her voice.
	And this is something that people do all the time.
	People mock people's voices.
	People do.
	You couple that with me.
	They think I have an accent.
	Like from me.
	Oh my God.
	It's so different.
	Because I'm loud and I'm talking.
	If someone was mocking me, it's one thing.
	No, she has a speech impediment.
	Something is wrong with her voice.
	She was born with it.
	You don't make fun of something like that.
	You can make fun of the way she dresses or whatever.
	She went on to say, she went on to make fun of men with small penises.
	Have you ever made fun of a man with a small penis?
	You didn't fuck your boyfriend because of his small penis.
	I did it for three and a half years.
	I didn't make fun of him.
	I just, what are you talking about?
	I don't know.
	Some of the gestures you were making were a little offensive to the small penis community.
	It's a fact.
	The small penis community was offended.
	Okay, if he was on the table and said, oh, were you born with that speech impediment?
	This is not what talked about.
	It's one thing.
	He was mocking.
	You're probably arguing.
	Have you ever made fun of somebody with a small penis?
	Have you ever said, I bet that guy's compensating for his small penis.
	Really?
	I dated someone.
	Never made fun of a small penis?
	You're talking- Never made fun of a- Yes!
	Yes, I've not made fun of.
	No, I've like talked about like Andrew, yeah.
	She got it right, yeah, yeah.
	After the after she was making fun of him, yeah, okay.
	I have, I, why would I make fun of him and not date someone?
	I dated them for three and a half years because I didn't care.
	I'm not, you're talking to the wrong person.
	I'm not judgmental like that.
	I don't care.
	If I love you, I love you.
	Sure.
	Whatever you say.
	Okay, sir.
	Whatever you say.
	I'm just saying, you know, look, me personally, I, you know, Andrew is sometimes abrasive, but sometimes you got to give a bit of leeway when you're dealing with a crazy person.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	I would not have used those words.
	I don't know why I'm doing the Trump thing.
	I would not have used those words myself.
	But, you know, sometimes in the heat of the moment, you know, look, sometimes a girl.
	And in the heat of the moment, she was really disrespectful to the small penis community.
	She was like, you little dick motherfuckers.
	Is that your impression of her is good?
	Sorry.
	You.
	Wait.
	Oh, my God.
	Stop it.
	It was like, you little dick.
	What?
	She has this.
	What is it?
	A lisp.
	Lisp.
	And I think it's very cute.
	I think your lisp is cute, babe.
	It makes you mute.
	You can have a list.
	It makes you mute.
	Yeah.
	People who are good of hearing can have a lisp.
	Sometimes I lisp.
	A lot of gay people lisp.
	It's okay to have a lisp.
	You've never heard about the gay lisp.
	Yeah.
	The gay lingos.
	All right.
	That's crazy, man.
	That's crazy.
	Anyways, look.
	Look, you know.
	See, why is it crazy for me to feel that way and not crazy that he did that?
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like, it's okay.
	Like, you're like, it's so crazy.
	It's not crazy.
	I have an opinion on it.
	Oh my God.
	Fucking bring it to the deaf people then.
	Cancel Andrew.
	If you're so upset about it.
	I don't need to.
	Send an email, send an email, go to HR.
	How go to HR.
	If you want to complain, Andrew's fucking 10 months ago said some insensitive joke when some chick was losing her fucking mind.
	Okay, go then.
	I didn't even make it a big deal.
	You can't, like, we were having a conversation among the girlies, and then you came back to like I was disrespecting him, which I'm not sure.
	You were disrespecting him.
	Oh, him, yes, but not his relationship.
	Yeah, it's also not fair to like, you know, he's not here.
	He can't defend.
	That's why I'm not saying I'm not gonna say literally.
	I had a notebook with notes from him and then I closed it and said, he's not here, so I'm not gonna speak.
	But you asked the question, so I'm gonna answer.
	And that's okay.
	But if he's on and you want me to come on, I will speak my mind to him.
	I'm not afraid of no man.
	Yeah, we'll have him on.
	We're gonna get me a person soon.
	Invite me.
	All right.
	Well, hey, you know, you actually originally wanted to be on with him, but then, you know, you weren't able to make it that day.
	He was on that day?
	Well, the original day you were going to come, he was going to be on that day.
	My car broke down.
	It's okay.
	I get it.
	Stuff happens.
	It wasn't meant to be.
	But where were we?
	Oh, we got to do once she's back from the table, or we will do the oh, the video.
	Here, we can do the video while she's gone.
	All right, so this is this great video that is relevant.
	Go ahead, video tab it go ahead, play.
	Okay, I want you to rate this woman on a scale of one to ten.
	Oh, nine or ten, easily.
	She's stunning.
	Okay, be honest.
	Drop dead gorgeous.
	Well, what if I told you that you look like her?
	Oh, see thing I'm that?
	Okay, I want you to rate this.
	All right, wow, that's wait.
	Is the audio muted?
	It's all good.
	All good.
	All good in the neighborhood.
	All right.
	She's back, so we're gonna get right into it, guys.
	AI age advancements.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	You got it?
	All right.
	Hold on, I'll do it.
	Yep.
	Yo.
	Oh, wow.
	Go ahead.
	You can.
	You're sling.
	What can I say?
	The adrenochrome did not work.
	All right.
	Next.
	They have to make me skinny for it to be realistic.
	I mean, she's a baddie.
	Emaciate her.
	I'm eating her.
	It's crazy.
	Crazy work.
	I think I'm hotter.
	All right, next.
	Oh, wait, actually, you're such a cute grandma.
	Do you bake cookies?
	No, I literally thought they should get cookies out.
	Next.
	I'm scared.
	Oh, you look good.
	You're cute.
	I look like my grandma.
	I'll give it that.
	You're going to look good, girl.
	My grandma's down in the middle.
	Next.
	Oh, Michael.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, that's really something.
	Okay, I agree to disagree on that.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, you don't have to.
	No, the middle picture is cute.
	We don't have to go.
	You don't have to keep running in the back.
	It doesn't.
	Oh, my God.
	That was fast.
	It's so sad.
	Looks so cute.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I thought that was me.
	I was like, holy.
	Oh, you missed it.
	Okay, there it is.
	It doesn't even look real.
	I don't think it is, Anna.
	The hair.
	Oh, my gosh.
	All right, next.
	All right, not bad.
	Not bad, Felicity.
	Usually does you pretty dirty?
	It wasn't.
	He aged gracefully.
	Yeah, very gracefully.
	Not the worst.
	Wait, Felicity, can you show us your forehead?
	I've already done that before.
	Have you?
	Yeah.
	Do you have a juicy forehead?
	We're good.
	I love a good forehead.
	It's juicy.
	All right, next.
	Oh, that looks kind of adorable.
	Nice.
	Great.
	Love it.
	The first picture looks edited a little bit.
	Yeah, that first picture looks like wild.
	They edit all the first photos.
	Oh.
	Oh, yeah.
	They run it through like something or other.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Damn, bro.
	All right.
	I could get a role in a movie or something.
	All right.
	And now we've gender swapped all of you.
	Oh.
	We've made you all.
	We've made you all men.
	I'm worried about this one.
	This is going to be fun.
	So the question will be: would you date the male version of you?
	And what do you rate the male version of you?
	Let's see.
	All right.
	Ooh. Yes.
	Yes.
	This actually looks very similar to my uncle.
	So I'm like conflicted on saying that, but he's a pretty good-looking guy, my opposite sex.
	I think I'd rate him like maybe like a six, so two points above Michael myself.
	Sorry.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, two points above my baseline.
	So more attractive.
	Yes.
	So he's six?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you prefer beard or no beard?
	I think beard.
	You think beard?
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, my God.
	Pull that man up.
	Okay, he's fine.
	That's a spot on.
	Spot on.
	That kind of looks like my brother a little bit.
	No, well, not really.
	I mean, so would you date your this guy?
	Yeah, I would date.
	I date every type of male.
	Doesn't matter if you're mid or hot.
	I date all.
	What about Donald Trump?
	Would you date him?
	Absolutely fuck not.
	Okay.
	And what do you rate him in terms of looks?
	He's like an average Joe.
	He's definitely cuter in the right one in the middle one.
	He needs a beard for sure.
	Without the beard, like maybe like a four or something with the beard, like five, six, seven, whatever.
	I think he's cute.
	Cool.
	Next.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Not with.
	No, no.
	If you're single, of course.
	Oh my god.
	I was going to say that kind of looks like my boyfriend's hair, but oh my god, it's kind of freaking me out.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	You can pull the supers in between, by the way.
	Okay, next.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Wait, can I say one more time?
	Just kind of need a look.
	You'll have to.
	No, I would not date that man.
	He looks scary.
	I look scary.
	Like, I would.
	I would run away from him on the street.
	That's you.
	I know.
	If you were a man.
	I look better as a woman.
	I'll stay that way.
	I would rate it.
	If you were to transition, you would.
	I would be scared.
	I don't think I would make a pretty man, that's for sure.
	I give that man like a two.
	Two?
	A two.
	Or three.
	I just he's not my type.
	He's not my type.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	That middle picture looks good.
	Absolutely not.
	I'm sorry.
	He's not bad looking.
	Middle picture.
	You know, but he's not even bad looking.
	You wouldn't.
	I am so good off that.
	Thank you, though, for that insight.
	If you had to pick one beard or no beard.
	So I, like, in general, not attracted to men with facial hair.
	Okay.
	But yeah, either or just both.
	No.
	I'm sorry.
	You can feel free to switch to the next one anytime.
	What do you rate him?
	Like a good four.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I feel like everyone else on this panel has other opinions.
	Let's go ahead and go next.
	Oh.
	The orange hair.
	No orange hair.
	Well, assume the hair wasn't orange.
	The AI just got scuffed, I guess.
	Would you date him?
	Would not date him.
	No.
	Nope.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	What's wrong with him?
	He's just not my type.
	Yeah, the ears.
	I don't know what, like.
	I don't know.
	When it's like one larger than the other.
	What's wrong?
	Hey, sometimes, you know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nope.
	What do you rate him if you had to rate him?
	He's like a three.
	A three?
	We're coming from the ten to the three.
	Holy moly.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, gosh.
	Oh!
	I don't know.
	He looks like our old security guard.
	That's so disgusting.
	Oh my back.
	Looks like a little.
	That's a zero for me.
	Zero?
	That's a zero?
	That's a zero.
	That's not a bad looking guy.
	By the way, look at his.
	He's black, but he has the hair of a white man.
	Yeah, no cur, you know.
	Handsome blush.
	Looks good.
	He's like from a 90s boy band or something.
	Like Sugar Ray or something.
	Hard pass.
	Hard pass.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I'm excited to see this one.
	What do you rate him?
	Zero?
	You said zero?
	Yeah, I said zero.
	You wouldn't date this guy.
	Not my type, but no.
	You prefer white guys?
	Foreigners, white guys, yeah.
	Oh, you don't date black guys?
	I've never dated a black guy, but I've talked to them.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Word.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Nice.
	He kind of looks like a Disney Channel guy.
	Yeah, I see him.
	Would Felicity, would you date somebody?
	Just go to the next one, please.
	Yeah, I want to see Brian.
	This is so bad.
	Why is his neck and his face the same size?
	Yeah, I was going to say, does he have a big neck?
	Oh, he's thick necks.
	Yeah, the neck is thick.
	No, Felicity.
	No, what do you rate him?
	What do you rate him?
	He looks kind of deformed.
	I mean, perfect.
	Don't you like the deformed ones?
	I thought you liked the weird-looking dudes.
	Not that type of weird.
	He's too skinny.
	All right, plump him up a little bit, somebody.
	All right, next.
	You're tea, bro.
	For real.
	Start that transition.
	Exactly.
	That Bob.
	That Bob.
	Oh, Bob.
	How old were you in the first one?
	I think that was like, I don't know, seven years ago or something.
	Six, seven years ago.
	You don't look bad without a beard, actually.
	She looks like the crazy girl.
	Oh, you want to see young Brian?
	Oh.
	Do we have young Brian?
	I don't know if we have that photo anymore, but we have my Instagram.
	You can pull up my Instagram.
	We'll just scroll to the bottom if you want to see.
	This is Felicity's favorite segment.
	She's just, it's kind of weird.
	I have to move away.
	It's kind of awkward.
	Yeah, it started at the bottom.
	Started at the bottom.
	Sorry, Brian.
	All right, young Brian, you know.
	You know, okay, there I am.
	And that's like 2019?
	Oh, this is old.
	Some of these are old.
	Like that soccer jersey one.
	or you're not i think i wait go down to the you can click it i guess Don't look at the date because that's off.
	This is from 2015, I think.
	2015, 2016.
	So like 10 years ago?
	You can exile that.
	Yeah, aging's a bitch, guys.
	Exile that.
	Up.
	Yeah, up, up, up.
	Yeah, all right.
	There you go.
	Young Brian.
	Up, keep going.
	Oh, I should start posting some photos.
	Oh, the cat.
	I forgot the cat photos.
	What happened to this Brian?
	Like, your old, old.
	Not looks-wise, but I'm saying that's like the Brian I grew up on.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Why did you choose this route and not like keeping your other videos going?
	Like, what was your, what's the motivation?
	I mean, I was just kind of looking to transition to something a bit more different, I guess.
	Yeah.
	And why did you choose this specifically, like podcasting and this type of like?
	Oh, I mean, I've always had opinions on dating and relationships and this sort of thing.
	And I was fully entrenched in like online dating.
	I was on the dating apps back then.
	I'm not on dating apps anymore.
	And I had like really strong opinions when it came to what I saw going on when it came to dating.
	And I sort of saw the transition because, I mean, Tinder first came out in like 2012, really early on.
	So I was, I'm 36 now.
	And so it came out when I was like 23.
	But even like early days of online dating was a bit different.
	Still pretty D-Gen.
	But like so much has changed when it comes to dating.
	Really different dynamic from when I was like 18, 19, 20 to how it is now.
	And that's just, you know, obviously I was in college then.
	But looking at like how dating is for college people now, like guys and girls that are in college, there's a lot that's different.
	So yeah.
	So I saw that shit firsthand.
	I'd done dealt with some crazy experiences when I was out there dating, especially on the dating apps.
	And I was like, yeah, I got opinions on this shit.
	Let's talk about it.
	It makes sense.
	The show.
	For sure.
	I think you should definitely do some type of creative.
	Like, I feel like the videos I've watched in the past, like, not everyone has a mind like that.
	And you should use that skill.
	Like, some people are good at something.
	Like, that's like what you're good at, like, coming up with ideas and stuff.
	Like, you should definitely do some type of outlook of some type of thing like that.
	Like, so, I don't know.
	I feel like that's what you're good at, too.
	Like, this is good for a career as well, I guess.
	But I'm saying, like, don't lose that creativeness.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	Because not everyone's skilled at that.
	I'm just giving you a compliment.
	God damn.
	I'm saying that, like, you're very skilled and coming up with ideas and stuff.
	That is a skill.
	I still have, like, I have a notepad that was filled with hundreds of ideas, but I was like, nah, I'm going to do this.
	Shit.
	Can you get me a paper towel?
	Oh, were we, was there something else we were going to pull up, Nick?
	All right.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to.
	I've spilled.
	Spilled rip.
	Sorry, guys.
	Got to make sure I don't scuff my stream deck.
	Okay, we're all good.
	We use the Twitch.
	No, that's okay.
	Oh, yeah, let's do Bumble.
	That'll be a fun segment.
	All right, so guys, who here has never been on a dating app?
	Never, never.
	Everybody else?
	Dating app?
	What have you been on?
	Farmers Only?
	Oh, no.
	That's crazy.
	I don't know.
	You guys see, you see the vision?
	I see it.
	No, just Tinder and Hinge.
	Are you on there right now?
	No.
	I deleted that one.
	She deleted that shit.
	Good.
	Good for you.
	Yeah.
	So what we're going to do, one at a time, you each have 20 swipes.
	We're going to show you.
	Do you remember all the settings from way back then, Nick?
	Is it like the settings?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Like the filters?
	Yeah, we have to do the age for us.
	Put us in.
	Put us.
	Can you change location?
	No, it just gives you the amount of miles away.
	Just do like blast, put it max distance.
	Are you sure you can't change location?
	Not.
	At least not in the filters that they're showing.
	I can go into the size of the data.
	Can you change your location?
	There should be a way.
	But what are the filters you want to set?
	Why don't we do 18 to, or no, let's do, let's do 22.
	We have a 29-year-old.
	Yeah.
	It's a pretty young panel, so we're going to do 20 to...
	We can change it, right?
	Yeah, we can.
	Did we used to change the age filter?
	Okay, so Ellie, what's the age range of guys you would date?
	18 to like 25.
	18 to 25, okay.
	Can you get that going?
	And you, were you able to change the location?
	You probably have to go into your settings to change it.
	Yeah.
	See if you can.
	If not, no worries.
	While he's doing that, I want to remind everybody that Cherry.
	Is that your name?
	No, it's my like.
	I went viral for video, and then I became that, so I had to like stick with that.
	I think it's a stupid name, too.
	It was just an Instagram account I had, and then it became me.
	Ryan, what city do you want?
	City?
	Yeah, I can put one.
	You can change it.
	Why don't you put us?
	I don't know.
	I feel like we should not be in California if we're doing this.
	Chat, what do you think?
	What city should we put the girls in for this?
	New York?
	Should we just do New York City?
	But then it's going to be a bunch of fucking hipster creative Miami.
	It's like kind of a mix.
	Miami?
	Or like San Diego.
	It's like a mixture of use.
	Fucking scammers.
	Maybe Texas could be good because I feel like Texas kind of has an edge.
	Why would you do that?
	No, let's not do Dallas.
	Let's do Austin.
	Can you do Austin, Texas?
	That seems fair.
	It's like not totally soy, but also not totally like Dallas.
	Thanks.
	You got it?
	Yes.
	While we're doing that, Ellie, can you read this one from Prithilla?
	Sure.
	Oh, wait, fuck.
	Hold on.
	Prothilla.
	Prothilla.
	Prithilla.
	Chair two, it's clearly Wapotted.
	A Methandoith, big back with a fat attitude.
	Lutkooti energy.
	Small penis can only fit in your belly button.
	Stop hogging the mic and let others wait in.
	You did a good job with that one.
	Thank you.
	You have it ready to go, Nick?
	Actually, it's not going to work.
	Okay, that's good.
	Just make it 100.
	100 miles?
	All right.
	It's a possibility y'all might see somebody you know.
	We'll see.
	Oh, gosh.
	So it's 18 to 25?
	All right, sweet.
	All right, so you're gonna.
	How did we do it?
	Like, was it swipe?
	Do we just swipe yes, swipe swipe yes, or swipe no?
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Yeah, go ahead, pull it up, Nick.
	Yeah, window tab.
	Make us bigger.
	Are we allowed to look at the other one?
	I swear this guy looks familiar.
	We're talking about just looks.
	You can barely see it.
	No, just the photo.
	Just the first photo.
	That's all you get.
	Yes.
	Yes, okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Are you counting, Nick, by the way?
	Oh, I can't do this one.
	But I'm going to assume it's the brown one, so no.
	Yeah.
	And you do no on all of them, right, Nick, if I recall?
	I can barely.
	I mean, the profile.
	You're just swiping no, even though they say.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	Sure, yes.
	Okay.
	This one's a gamble, so no.
	No.
	No, all of us said no.
	All right, keep going.
	Oh, someone else.
	These photos are largely like space.
	Where's your face?
	Where are your clothes?
	No.
	Where are your clothes?
	He looks mischievous.
	Mischievous.
	Yes.
	He looks mischievous in a bad way.
	Yes.
	Studious.
	Yes.
	Oh, my God.
	I know that kid.
	This one kind of looks like, what's his name from the Punisher?
	You know, the actor I'm talking about?
	Main character, oh, um, and also into Walking Dead, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What's his name?
	Great guy, I like him.
	I know who you're talking about.
	He's like, also, against naps, just like David Goggins is against naps.
	Yeah, like napping, like naps are for the birds.
	I'm also against naps, it's a waste of time.
	So, yes, naps give me anxiety.
	No, he looks cute.
	Ming you cheeky, yes, okay, yes, are you sure?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	Oh, yes, you counting, Nick.
	How many are we at?
	Oh, yes, fucking Parker.
	All right, that's 12.
	What is this photo?
	12 out of 20.
	Okay, that's pretty generous.
	Uh, let's do for what's your age range that you would date?
	Like, 22 to like 30 something to 30.
	Okay, go ahead, put that in, like 21 to 30.
	Word, word John Bernthal?
	Yes, that's it.
	Is that his name?
	Oh, Wolf of Wall Street, also.
	Okay, go ahead.
	No, really?
	No, he was hot.
	Why?
	He's just not my, he's attractive.
	He's just not my type.
	Why is that a problem?
	Okay, he's like, he can be, you can be.
	I can say this man's hot, but that's not my type.
	All right, so that's a no.
	Keep going.
	Which one is Jake?
	Yeah, why not?
	He looks like he could be a fun guy.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Sure.
	No.
	I just don't like that.
	No.
	Can you click just on the white to see if it will clear that pop-up?
	Just click somewhere.
	No, just click on the white part.
	Just the.
	No, no, no.
	Just.
	Okay, there we go.
	It's cleared.
	I would say sure.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	No.
	No.
	Can't see you.
	I can't even see these place.
	He's attractive, but no.
	He's just not my type.
	No.
	Rip Brian.
	Yeah.
	I can't see.
	no no no no Yeah.
	I think I know him.
	He's cute.
	Oh, my God.
	Red phone, red flag.
	Yeah, no.
	No phone case.
	Red phone.
	Yeah.
	I feel like he's on the water.
	Oh, no.
	He's too dapper for me.
	Yes.
	He looks smart.
	I kind of like.
	He's like, oh.
	Seven out of 20.
	Okay.
	All right.
	A little picky there.
	A little picky.
	Well, I think they're attractive men.
	They're just not.
	And especially it depends on what the photo is, too.
	Like, that tells a lot.
	Age range.
	Or should we skip the relationship girls?
	Yeah.
	I mean, or if they feel comfortable.
	I mean, if you're comfortable doing it, we can do it.
	No, I don't want to do it.
	You want to skip or do it?
	Can you bring your mic to the edge of the table?
	Absolutely.
	Very edge, very edge.
	Very edge.
	Gotcha.
	Perfect.
	Do you want to do this?
	I feel like my boyfriend wouldn't mind.
	He knows.
	Okay.
	He knows.
	Age range of guys you would date?
	To like 24 to like 30, I guess.
	All right.
	24 to 30.
	JJ, thank you for the super chat.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	No.
	Same dude.
	Can we see him?
	Yeah.
	No.
	I can't see his face.
	But he looks in good shape.
	I'll say yeah.
	No click on the white to start with.
	Uh no no job does it say job.
	I can't even read that from here.
	Job is complex.
	Job is college.
	Uh if we're just going based off of looks, sure, yeah.
	Is he an umpire?
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, he's a catcher.
	No.
	Oh, yeah, he looks like a sweet guy.
	No, no, no.
	Not shaved legged, dude.
	No.
	I can't see him, so no.
	No.
	Really?
	Andre?
	No, not okay.
	No.
	Really?
	I'm thinking, I'm sorry.
	I'm assuming it's the dude on the ground with the kid.
	No.
	Super family-oriented.
	Two out of 20?
	Ten percent, son.
	Oh, that's a quick question.
	On Bumble, is it just one photo?
	There's more, but just for the sake of the activity.
	Okay.
	We're just doing the first photo.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's do like 18 to 23.
	18 to 23.
	Wait, I thought you said it was weird that you were like dating a guy who was a well, like when I was on Tinder, like that's literally the minimum you could go.
	It's not necessarily who I would pick, but that's I don't know if it's different from they don't let me do like just like 18 to 20.
	You know, can he be 20 though?
	How old was he?
	Uh, he just turned 21.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Uh, so you have it.
	No.
	Starting off strong.
	No.
	No.
	Really?
	Oh, no.
	Thank you.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Did you see his hat?
	No.
	Naughty.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	No.
	I don't like the way he spelled his name either.
	Um, no.
	Sorry.
	No.
	What does that mean?
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	What are you doing?
	No.
	Is he crying?
	I don't know what's going on, but that's good.
	No, thank you.
	No.
	One out of twenty.
	Five percent.
	Damn.
	Luna is brutal.
	Brutal.
	All right.
	Let's go here.
	Age range of guys you would date.
	30.
	Into the mic.
	36 to 44.
	36 to 44.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nope.
	What a chad.
	Yeah.
	No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
	Yeah.
	no no no no no no cute dog that was three she said Okay.
	All right.
	That's how what is that?
	15%?
	Is that 15%?
	The math?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, because if 1% rock and roll.
	Next.
	Age?
	21 to 25.
	21, 25.
	Okay.
	21 to 25.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
	Yes.
	No. No. No. No. No.
	Yes.
	No.
	15%.
	All right.
	Felicity, we'll do it for Felicity.
	19 to 27.
	19 to 27.
	1927.
	No.
	No.
	No, I can't even see him.
	No.
	Um, sure, yeah.
	No.
	For both of those guys?
	Yeah.
	It's in Bard Lawyer.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	I don't know which one is which.
	No.
	We'll skip group photos.
	No. No. No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	To either?
	I thought it was one on the left.
	Okay.
	No.
	No.
	These boys photos.
	Damn, y'all fucking picky as fuck.
	Y'all picky.
	Where'd you get those glasses from?
	I have a compartment next to me full of all kinds of gadgets and doodads and various props for usage.
	Be silly.
	Do you want one?
	Do you want to wear something?
	I mean, what do you have?
	Let me take a look.
	Hold on.
	Let's see what I have here.
	Are those baby?
	I do have an Asian baby on TV.
	So you can.
	Let's see your mothering nurturing ability.
	Can we see?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, that's okay.
	I have a baby.
	That's good.
	For L over here, I have a black baby.
	Oh, like EI baby.
	So let's see.
	Yes.
	Assess your nurturing abilities.
	And do you have a fat baby?
	I do not have a fat baby.
	Do you have a baby in frame or something?
	It signs a talent.
	It signs release form.
	Damn, y'all picky, though.
	What the fuck?
	That's crazy.
	I saw some good looking, decent looking guys on there, and y'all just like, nope.
	If he had them women, I'll see their face left.
	Girls are deeper into that.
	Like, it's like, also, like, what's in the background?
	Like, the way that they're hairy.
	They look weird or like they're in a weird environment.
	This girl was like, he's on the water.
	No, somebody over here was like, he's on the water.
	He's aquatic.
	Awkward.
	The what?
	The skiing pictures.
	Skiing pictures.
	Okay.
	I actually have a date with one of those guys tomorrow.
	I'm serious.
	Yeah.
	That is awkward.
	Don't tell us which one.
	Was it one of the guys that you picked on?
	That I said yes to, yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	What's that?
	The guy with the tattoos?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	That's cool.
	All right.
	We're going to get into the pre-show notes here.
	Actually, no, we're just going to do the questionnaire, then we'll do pre-show notes.
	Oh, we didn't have you sign one, do one, but how about this, Luna?
	If there's any of these topics that you want to jump in on as they come up, just feel free to jump in on it.
	So going around the table, or you know what?
	Here, why don't we do.
	Did y'all give me where do I want to start?
	Actually, you guys don't disagree with much.
	So, Renette, how do you say your name, Renee?
	Okay.
	You agree with the following statement.
	Men are not the primary victims of war.
	That beckons the question: who are the primary victims of war?
	Are they women?
	Well, I think it can be translated back into like a relationship with a woman.
	So if a man goes to war, you're talking about like legit war, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, yeah, I think that that plays an effect on them and like their whole they actually are a changed person from coming back from something like that, which affects their relationship.
	So, yeah, if they're in a marriage or if they have a girlfriend, then yeah, she's gonna absorb some of that.
	So, but so she would be the primary victim?
	It's not a victim.
	It's just more like she's what she's just affected by it.
	I don't dispute this at all, but the prompt is men are not the primary victims of war.
	You circled it, indicating you agree with the statement.
	Yeah, well, so this is what I'm clarifying.
	Well, sure, I guess it would be the person serving.
	And is that sort of men or well?
	I think it does say, yeah, it says it references a man first, right?
	Yeah, so I don't disagree with you that like a guy who saw horrific things at war could come back and could be suffering from like PTSD or how that could have an impact on his girlfriend.
	That's not in dispute.
	The question is, though, who's the primary victims?
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Is it men or is it women?
	I mean, yeah, if he's fighting war, yes, I would say him.
	But I don't know, I guess this is a bigger question as well.
	Like, how many other people are affected by war in general?
	But if we're saying, if this, if we're just talking about one person going to battle, then I would say yes.
	Well, I'm looking, it's not on the individual level, it's more so the collective level.
	So if we're looking at gender as a collective, are there more men, like the primary victims of war?
	Are they men as a collective or women as a collective?
	Who's the primary victim?
	I would say men.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So, okay.
	I mean, if that's your position, then there's not much really to push back on there.
	Although, how about let's bring it to the individualistic level.
	So the man went to war, maybe he got an injury or he has PTSD, and that has a really negative impact on his relationship with his girlfriend or wife.
	Who is the primary?
	I mean, I guess I'll still frame it from primary victim of war in that circumstance.
	Is it the wife or is it still the man on the individual level?
	I would say both.
	Okay.
	So then, using your logic, then could you say that when a woman goes through pregnancy, you know, the woman, obviously that can come with certain side effects.
	The actual pregnancy itself giving birth can be quite painful.
	And the husband's there in the waiting room with her, and she grabs his hand and squeezes it really tightly.
	And it's hard for him to see her giving birth.
	Like, that's stressful.
	Who would you say they're both equally?
	I'm not going to use the term victim here, but I'm going to use the term suffering.
	Are both the men and the woman suffering equally?
	No.
	Who's the primary sufferer of pregnancy?
	I would say the woman physically is going through more suffering, physical pain.
	He might be having emotional pain, but hers is on the physical level.
	Okay.
	But you would agree that oftentimes in war, men do suffer physically.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So.
	So on the individualistic level, you would probably say in this instance, the man's still probably the victim of war, more so than the wife who deals with the trauma that he's experienced.
	More so than the wife.
	Like, okay, he saw some crazy shit.
	Maybe he got an injury, whatever.
	He has PTSD, and that's introduced issues into the relationship.
	But who's the primary victim of war?
	This is such an easy question.
	Yeah, the answer.
	I'm literally a military kid and like, yeah, we got affected by my dad, but we didn't get as much.
	Like, he saw crazy things over there, like in the Middle East.
	So somebody trying to argue, saying that like the girls at home get like most of the primary victim, that's not the case because I know what my dad went through.
	Saw some of the things that I've been doing.
	I'm taking the babies back, by the way.
	I didn't feel no instinct for this one.
	My baby.
	What's his name?
	I'm happy.
	What's her name?
	TBD.
	Here you go, Felicity.
	That's your future.
	Oh, you can have my baby.
	Oh, can you not grab the baby?
	By the hand.
	Oh, shit, my bad.
	Oh, no.
	That's crazy.
	I'm calling CBS.
	Fucking doll.
	Well, still.
	I'm calling CBS.
	Yeah.
	Don't make me open up one of these windows and drop the baby onto the harsh streets.
	Okay.
	Thoughts?
	Any further thoughts on further thoughts?
	No, I don't.
	But so I guess to finalize, what's your position?
	Are women the primary victims of war?
	No, men are if they are the ones that are serving.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nothing else to push back on there.
	Let's see.
	Anybody here, let me just throw women are just as physically strong as men.
	Does anybody agree with that?
	No.
	No.
	Nobody?
	Okay.
	Damn, y'all.
	Okay.
	Women are oppressed in the United States.
	You also agreed with that one.
	Luna, do you think are women oppressed in the United States?
	I feel like it could.
	It's a little worse as well in other countries.
	I think we're getting to that point, especially with Trump in rule and in power.
	I feel like with the whole like my body, my choice movement going on and all of that, it definitely did bring down the like individuality and power that women did have prior if we are letting men have control over our bodies.
	Okay, so you do think women are oppressed in the USA and it relates to abortion, just so I understand your position.
	I would use abortion as one of my examples.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then for you?
	You said women are oppressed in the USA.
	Why is that?
	Yeah.
	Well, I've seen it in corporate.
	I was in corporate tech for a very long time and it was very apparent the way that women were treated versus men.
	Payway pay range.
	So I've seen it.
	What do you mean the pay range?
	The pay range for a man versus a woman.
	Doing the same work?
	Doing the same exact work.
	You know, it's interesting.
	You mentioned tech companies at Google.
	They actually did an internal audit and they actually found that they were overpaying the women.
	So would this point to anti-male sexism in tech companies?
	Like was that, is that just immediately just sexism towards men?
	No, I'd say that it's just a known fact.
	But what's a known fact?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, the gender wage gap has been debunked.
	But do you want to explain to me, I guess, what the gender wage gap is?
	You mean overall?
	Are we talking about that?
	Like, what is it?
	What does that mean that there's a wage gap?
	That a woman and a man could be hired for the same exact position, having the same exact qualifications, and the man is being paid more than the woman.
	Okay.
	I mean, there's since the 60s, there's been laws against this.
	And if you can prove that this is actually the case, as a woman, you can bring a lawsuit against your employer and be financially rewarded for doing so.
	I guess what is the wage gap, though?
	Some people throw out different numbers.
	They say it's 25 cents.
	Men make 25 cents more.
	Women earn 80 cents to every dollar a man makes.
	What is the number that you know of?
	I honestly don't know what statistic wise it is right now.
	Gotcha.
	I've also been specifically what the thing is, but I do think that like in places people, women get paid less than men.
	I don't think it's like as great as everyone talks about it as, like it is, but I think there's definitely bosses who are wanting to pay the men more.
	Like I think that it happens for sure.
	And I think it could happen to men too.
	Like if a woman's running it, like I think it happens everywhere.
	So yeah, so I mean they did an analysis on the wage gap.
	So there's there's a couple different things.
	There's the earnings gap and then there's the gender wage gap.
	There's controlled and uncontrolled.
	So if you control for everything, because what the gender wage gap does is it doesn't take into account any variables.
	It literally just compares all the money that the women make and all the money that the men make and doesn't take into account hours worked, doesn't take into account geographical location, doesn't take into account the fact that men are more likely to work overtime, to work more hours, they're more likely to relocate, they're more likely to work hazard pay, they're more likely to happen to pay or excuse me, work jobs that are higher paid.
	They're more likely to work dangerous and dirty jobs that also tend to be less desirable and end up paying more because of that.
	So for example, I mean, there's a lot of other sorts of gaps.
	There's the male death gap.
	So men are way more likely to die on the job.
	So I mean, I'm sure all of you would, if there's a risk of you dying working a job, you'd probably want to be compensated in a way that was commensurate with the risk that you were undertaking by working a job where there's a risk of injury or death.
	Most women work comfortable, air-conditioned office jobs, whereas there's a much higher proportion of men who are involved in these certain fields where they're literally working.
	It's either dangerous or it's dirty in some way.
	Yeah.
	So, but the gender wage gap that feminists like to purport doesn't factor in all these variables that actually when you start to control for all the variables, the wage gap shrinks to one cent.
	Women earn 99 cents to every dollar a man makes.
	Oh, there's other factors too, like men are more likely to negotiate pay, men go into different fields, this sort of thing.
	But the big one that I always like to point to, well, hold on, let me just divert really quick.
	Who here thinks men should pay on for first dates?
	Raise your hands.
	Should men pay on first dates?
	Ellie?
	I think it depends.
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	I think it depends on who asks who on the date.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No, I haven't.
	Have you been asked out on a date?
	Yes.
	Would there be an expectation if you did accept that you should pay?
	I would probably expect that it would be compensated, yes.
	Compensated?
	Yes, comped.
	Comped.
	I like that term.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I agree.
	If I'm asking, I should pay.
	If they're asking, they should pay.
	They're the ones that I'm asking.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	A good amount.
	Like, maybe.
	What proportion do you ask?
	And what?
	Well, I date women as well.
	So I ask a lot because if you're oh, like probably like, I don't know, like 30% of the time I'm asking.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	What about you?
	Should men pay for the first aid?
	I don't think so.
	I don't want to be pressured.
	And also, I just want to be equal.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	A few.
	Did you always go 50-50?
	No, I didn't.
	The guy paid?
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, okay.
	But I changed my mind because, like, I'm a better person now.
	Okay, but all the first dates you've been on, the guy paid for the date?
	Mostly, yeah.
	And you used to believe previously that the guy should pay for the date.
	Yeah.
	But that's changed.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I do believe they should pay for the first date.
	And do you ask guys out for first dates?
	No.
	Have you ever asked a guy on a first date?
	No.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	Quite a few.
	Yeah, more than 20, 30, 40, 50?
	I would say more than like 20.
	More than like 25.
	25.
	And not one of them you asked them out on?
	No.
	And the guy paid for all of them?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	In your current relationship on subsequent dates, does he also pay for all other dates too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And other guys you've dated in the past, beyond the first date, they also pay for subsequent dates also?
	Yes.
	Generally?
	Okay.
	Luna, how many first dates have you been on?
	Quite a few.
	Quite a few.
	What's that mean?
	10, 20, 30, 40, 50.
	Like in like between like 10 to 15.
	10 to 15.
	And will you go out to dinner?
	You'll grab pizza.
	What do you do typically?
	It honestly depends on the type of person I am going out with.
	Like, for example, the guy that wanted more traditional stuff, he always took me out to like really fancy restaurants where like the minimum of the check was like about $300.
	And as great as that is to be treated with such like, I would say like bouginess, I would also rather have appreciated something a little more simpler.
	Because I feel like when men take you out on really nice dates, they kind of hold this like upper hand on you that they're spending all this money on you and taking you out to this really nice place.
	So you kind of have to like owe them something.
	Not necessarily all the time, but that is what majority of men think.
	A lot of my first dates, I like, like especially for a first date, I like to keep it more mellow.
	Like I've been to like gone to In-N-Out or like Chick-fil-A, like something really easy in which that we would go like 50-50 or just pay whatever we had.
	Okay.
	So have you ever asked a guy out?
	Yes.
	Okay, but mostly they ask you out.
	Yes.
	And they pay?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Unless I'm not.
	And I sometimes offer.
	And you have a preference for them to pay?
	Not necessarily.
	I do.
	That's why I said I like to offer majority of the time.
	Like, if it's not too big and fancy, I like to offer and I like to keep it even just in case.
	Like, what if that first date is also our last date?
	Like, I'd rather them, you know, have like kind of a fair ground between that relationship and not have it where they paid for a really big, expensive date and they got really nothing out of it.
	And then they get mad at you or upset that like you kind of use them for their money or whatever.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Should men pay for first dates?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	Probably over 40.
	40?
	Did you ask out any of the guys for any of those dates?
	No.
	They always asked you out?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did they, and overwhelmingly, they paid for the first date?
	Yeah.
	If a guy, you went out with a guy and he asked for two checks, would there be a second date?
	No.
	Okay, so you want guys to pay for first dates?
	Yep.
	Yep.
	What about you?
	No.
	Not at all.
	I don't think they should.
	You don't think men should pay for first dates?
	No.
	Okay.
	Have you ever been on a first date?
	Yes.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	About five or six.
	Okay.
	And did the guy pay for those?
	Or was it always all the guys paid for dates?
	Paid for, I think, two and then the rest.
	The rest were paid for fully.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So tying this back in to and relaying this to the wage gap.
	I think the wage gap could actually be explained away by women's own sexist dating preferences.
	How could it, well, you're shaking your head, but how could it not be the case if there's a greater pressure?
	Like I listed a whole bunch of reasons for why this supposed gender earnings gap could exist.
	But even kind of ignoring all those and just looking at the intergender dynamics between men and women, if women had a stated preference, like a strong preference, and it doesn't have to be all women, but let's say it's even half of women are like, hey, I want a guy who's a provider.
	I want a guy who can pay for dates.
	That places a disproportionate, one-directional pressure on men that doesn't exist in the reverse, that doesn't exist from men to women.
	So, and I think we can all agree here that I think both men and women are really motivated when it comes to dating and finding your person, finding a partner, finding a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, whatever it is.
	I think in some ways men can oftentimes be even more motivated in some ways.
	But as it relates specifically to this, even assuming that the motivation to find your person is pretty much equal, there is this component of asymmetry when it comes to preferences.
	I don't believe that there's symmetry in expectations, preferences, standards, et cetera.
	So if women have an asymmetrical standard, which is men should pay for first aids, wouldn't this create a pressure on men to earn more money?
	Like if the man has to be the provider, the man has to pay for first aids, that creates a pressure on men to perform and to achieve and to make money and to try to be rich or whatever that doesn't exist towards women.
	So the wage gap can, if it even exists, be entirely explained by all of y'all's preferences.
	We could also say it's more expensive to be a woman and that like we deserve more money because we have to do A, B, C, and D to make men happy.
	You know what I mean?
	Like our hair and our nails and all that stuff.
	Like I think that's a preference.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Do women do that shit for themselves or do they do it for men?
	I know I have to do it.
	Wait, do women wear makeup for themselves or do they do it for men?
	Because you like to pick and choose.
	Hold on.
	Y'all women like to pick and choose when it's convenient now for you to say, oh, we wear makeup for you guys.
	But then you guys switch it up.
	I'm saying you're going to be able to do it.
	You'll switch it up and say, no, we do that shit for ourselves.
	I'm saying there's men who want their woman to look like that.
	And I'm saying if they want their movie together.
	Men don't give a fuck about nails.
	Not all.
	I'm saying, okay, maybe nails, but they want their women to keep their hair.
	You don't want your woman to get their hair done and keep their looks going and all that stuff.
	She can get a haircut.
	She doesn't need to get the fucking woman here.
	She doesn't got to do no bullshit color in it.
	Some highlights.
	She can just, her natural hair color, I'm telling you, whether she has dark hair, light hair, humans have been procreating for thousands of years before the invention of hair dye.
	Trust me, you can find a partner.
	You can find a mate.
	You can find a boyfriend.
	You can get some dick.
	Doesn't matter.
	You can be bald and get some dick.
	Yeah, I think if a guy has those expectations, then it's different.
	Bro, all that shit, I'm telling you, look, groom, have good grooming, take good care of yourself, have your hygiene good, but all this extra shit, that's you guys.
	Guys are simple.
	We don't care about that shit, really.
	That might be you, but a lot of guys do.
	No, I know a lot of guys like natural girls.
	I know that.
	There's a yes, natural is a thing, but I mean, I do think there's people who like that.
	There's never been a time where I'm like, oh, damn, she's naturally a brunette, but she's actually a blonde.
	I didn't want to fuck her, but now I want to fuck her.
	Like, that's never been a thought process.
	There's a little different, but like keeping your nails done and you're like, yeah, the fake nails or nail polish.
	Guys don't give a fuck about that.
	Yeah.
	Guys don't care.
	Now, don't have like nasty nails, have good hygiene, but that would apply to men too.
	I don't think y'all want to date a guy with like nasty fucking nails and shit.
	But guys don't care about that.
	Okay.
	But you're getting away from my point a little bit here, which is in order to date, men have to be bringing something financially at least a little bit.
	We have to at least be able to pay for the date.
	That in and of itself, and there's other financial burdens, like women's general preference for a provider.
	Like, let's say it's less than 50%.
	Let's say 30% of women want to be stay-at-home moms.
	They don't want to work.
	So they're going to be looking to a man to be able to fully financially provide.
	It's not all women, but 30% of women is a fuck ton of women, enough to create a mating pressure on men that again, asymmetrical does not apply the reverse.
	Most men, I can't move in the dating marketplace and have ever have an expectation that women are going to initiate, that women are going to be paying for dates, that women are going to be doing providing, that they're going to be okay with me wanting to be a stay-at-home boyfriend, and she's providing everything.
	Is there things that you are looking?
	Like, that's the thing, like, maybe in a woman's, that's what they're looking for, but it's the same thing.
	Men are looking for certain things too.
	Like, we're like, oh, we want a man who takes care of us.
	Oh, oh, God.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, but men, they're like very picky on looks and like what's on the outside, I feel like.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, we're like, we want a man who takes care of us, like to be a provider and a husband.
	I feel like also you want a wife that cooks you dinner and folds your clothes sometimes.
	Like, I don't, I think a girl who sometimes all the time.
	Okay, that's the thing.
	If you, I think that's okay if you want your wife to fold your clothes, but you need to be providing for her.
	You don't want your wife.
	Yeah.
	So that's why it should be an equal.
	But we're having a conversation about the wage gap.
	And I'm saying the it the two things really can't be true at the same time.
	Women can't say, I want a guy who earns more than me.
	I'm a guy to provide.
	I want a guy to pay for dates, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	But also, women should be paid equally.
	It literally, those two things do not mesh.
	I know what you're saying.
	They literally cannot mesh.
	You're saying that.
	Are you saying that you're putting a price tag on women who, let's say they are stay-at-home moms and they do that route?
	That's not, that's not worth anything in terms of like a monetary.
	What did I say that?
	No, I'm asking.
	Okay, what are you asking?
	That's what I'm asking you.
	Do you think that there's not a monetary type amount that equates to a woman choosing to be the nurturer, choosing to carry babies, choosing to be a mom?
	Like all of that.
	All of that comes with, like, maybe it's not, you know, the whatever, he makes a million dollars a year.
	That maybe it's not exactly a one-for-one, but are you putting a price tag on that for a woman?
	I don't see how that pertains to the conversation at hand, but I suppose I'll engage with your question.
	It doesn't really pertain.
	It's sort of off in the distance something else that's not really related to the wage gap conversation.
	It's totally a wage gap conversation.
	How is it?
	If a woman is deciding not to work and be a stay-at-home mom, then, yeah, you're removing her from making money.
	Okay.
	So, and but what's the argument?
	What you're you're you're bringing it back to a wage gap, and you're it just it feels like you're not giving any credit to the women that actually want it, that are giving up, say, their careers to stay home, to take care of him, to do the dinners, to do all of that.
	What didn't that mean the men do need to make more money?
	I mean, in that conversation, they need to provide.
	Yeah, it's like two separate conversations.
	So, I mean, yeah, if a woman gives up her career, yeah, I guess I acknowledge that a woman would give up her career to be a stay-at-home mom, but I'm more so arguing from the perspective of you guys are claiming that there's a gender wage gap, and I'm saying, well, there's a whole bunch of reasons for why that is not due to sexism.
	Well, I would argue it's due to women's sexism.
	How would it not be a sexist statement to be like, I think, okay, is it sexist for a guy to say, I think a woman should cook and clean?
	Is that a sexist statement?
	I don't think so.
	I think they were like, I'm going to make, like, I don't think if they.
	But I think a woman should do X. Is that sexist?
	No.
	No.
	A woman should make me a sandwich.
	If we're talking about in a relationship, like, if he's like, in this relationship, she should do these things.
	Like, this is what, I don't think that's sexist.
	But, like, in that tone, like, being like, go make me a sandwich.
	That's a little, you know what I mean?
	Like, if it's like an equal back and forth, it's okay that you're both asking for stuff, you know?
	But okay, if holding women to traditional gender roles is a form of sexism, then holding men to traditional gender roles must also be a form of sexism.
	Yeah, but I didn't say it was sexism.
	I said it's not.
	Right, but so the argument here is the gender wage gap, women earn less money because of sexism.
	And I'm prepared to agree with you, but it's because women have a sexist, traditional gender expectation on men that men be providers and men pay for dates.
	Oh, you're saying it's sexist to make that, like that, that we think that you're saying, and it's not sexist.
	So, I mean, people have different sense of sexism.
	I personally am fine with traditional gender dynamics.
	But if you're going, as women, going to disregard and kind of throw away your traditional gender roles, why can't men throw away theirs?
	You can.
	Okay.
	Then why do all these women who are probably, we have a lot of women who are still who I would categorize as progressive and liberal and feminist and believe in equality.
	Why do you want men to pay for first dates?
	Like, how do you believe women should be paid the same, but also believe men should pay for first dates?
	Like, do you think why?
	Like, it's, well, do you think it's okay if a guy took you on a date, like, didn't tell you where you're going, and then you get to the date and the bill is $300 and then he's like, it's a great red herring.
	I love the red herring.
	Doesn't answer my question at all.
	I mean, so.
	I said that I don't mind paying.
	I think if the person asks, you should pay.
	If I ask, you should pay.
	Like, I'm not paying for a date that wasn't my favorite.
	Back to my question.
	Back to my question.
	Okay.
	So, why is it, like, how do we reconcile women saying men and women should be paid equally, but men should still pay for me socially?
	Yeah, it's a double-edged sword.
	It doesn't make sense.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Like, I get that.
	But I think a woman's allowed to want a guy to date and want a guy to be a provider.
	Like, I think you're allowed to want these things and then you just date.
	But that fits in that.
	But so, how is a guy supposed to provide without getting paid more?
	Without getting paid more.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	I think if you want a man to do those things, then he like they need to be in that job.
	And it's also not even that men are being paid more.
	The other component is just if you double the labor pool.
	So, if before, you know, there was still female participation in jobs, but essentially you had what happened in the 50s, 60s, 70s, the labor pool doubled.
	Okay, wages are going to stagnate.
	And now, in the past, you could support a family on one income.
	You could support a family, and the income didn't even necessarily have to be all that high.
	You could work as you know, a certain wage of job.
	Now, even sometimes, two people who are, you know, I'm trying to think of like a wage range, you have to be an exceptionally high earner to support a family on one income.
	I'm just saying I didn't put that argument.
	I don't know how you reconcile women should be paid equally, but men should pay for first aids, men should be providers.
	I agree.
	How can we provide if we've, if you double the labor pool, that's going to start causing a lot of.
	Look, I'm not saying that women shouldn't work.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	But I'm saying one of the downstream effects of feminism and having women enter the workforce.
	Again, I'm in favor of women working, but when it comes to dating, if we're going to move society in a progressive direction, there can't be a continued expectation that men are going to even economically or financially even be able to provide that which existed in the 1950s when we've done away with the 1950s expectation that men are going to be the dominant participants in the labor pool.
	So, you're saying the views should change based off what today's world is like?
	Like, how I'm just saying, if you're going to be feminist, you got to be a female.
	You can't be feminist until the check comes.
	You got to pony up.
	You got to pay half the bill.
	Why are you shaking your head?
	Tell me why.
	Absolutely not.
	Sorry.
	That's why I go back to saying masculine men.
	Masculine men will always pick up that tab, no matter what.
	They have no problem picking up that tab, and they will actually never let a woman pay for it, especially if it's yours.
	Okay, I love this.
	Yes, he will not let her pull out her wallet ever.
	So, what do men owe to women?
	Nothing.
	What do you mean?
	You're saying a masculine man would never let a woman pay.
	So, he has some degree of there's a female-driven expectation on men.
	I'm saying there's a certain caliber of man that exists out there.
	That what does he get in return for being a masculine man?
	To be in the presence of a woman, a woman, but shouldn't he?
	Okay, so what do women have to do in or what?
	Is a woman's duty?
	You're saying a man has a duty to pay for first aids, to be a provider, to be a masculine, all these things.
	What do women have to do?
	Show up.
	Be the woman.
	That's a woman.
	Be the woman.
	Show up.
	What if I say that?
	Do you understand what it is?
	It is such a privilege it is to even.
	Okay.
	So women are not afraid of that.
	No.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I do.
	I do believe that, yeah, on both, on both spectrum, like on the both on the man and the woman side, it is a privilege to have a strong, loving, nurturing woman in your life.
	And I will tell you that the ways that we provide for a man, even though it is not monetary, you cannot put a price tag on that.
	What do you do?
	Tell me what you do.
	You say that.
	I'm talking of like, I'm talking about emotional availability.
	I'm talking about providing a place of peace, of wellness.
	I mean, there's a lot that women do that it's not just directly related to a dollar.
	Doesn't equate to monetary.
	Okay, so should women be submissive if they want to, if that's the role that they want to play.
	Okay, well then why can't I say the same thing about men?
	If that's the role they want to play.
	Okay.
	That's not the mind.
	Okay, sure.
	Okay, so I guess here's the two paradigms.
	We can agree that there's all kinds of different people.
	There's men who are more or less masculine.
	But that masculine guy who's a leader, who's going to pay for first dates, what does that guy deserve from a woman in the same way that she's getting the things that you listed that would be a fair expectation for the woman to have?
	I think if he's going into it looking for a long-term partner versus we're not talking just like hookups, okay?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	So if we're looking at it from the long game, then I don't see a reason as to why a man would not want to show up in that capacity for a woman by being the provider, by being the first to throw a credit card down or whatever it is for a first date.
	Like show her that you have the ability to take care of her.
	And if you can't do that on date one, then you probably shouldn't be dating.
	Like don't even don't come to the table unless you can be able to throw that card down.
	I agree.
	I think, you know, also coincidingly, women should be prepared to be submissive right away.
	And you know what?
	If she comes back to your place on the first date, she should fold your laundry.
	She should fold your laundry.
	She should clean your house.
	She should do all that.
	But let me ask you this.
	Do you ever want to get married?
	You?
	Nope.
	Not traditional.
	Not traditionally.
	So not in a like in a church or anything like that.
	Like a state.
	You want a state marriage?
	Nope.
	I don't want a state marriage.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	And just curious.
	Any reason why not?
	I don't want to be tied to the legal system.
	Yeah.
	I just don't.
	Okay.
	So don't want to be tied to a legal system.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who here wants to get married?
	Just show of hands really quick.
	Yes, maybe.
	Show of hands, show of hands.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Okay.
	Wait, really quick, let's do this.
	Show of hands again.
	Just who wants guys to pay for the first date?
	Show of hands.
	Raise them eye.
	Luna, didn't you?
	No.
	I thought.
	Okay, uh really it was just it was just you and you and you three who wanted I thought there was more of you who wanted shit.
	Yeah, that's men.
	Duh.
	I asked men on dates all the time.
	Oh my, you said it was 30, 70.
	So men ask you more.
	Yeah, because I'm not asking unless I really want to go on a date with them.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Right, but you get you get asked out more by men.
	Yeah.
	This idea of whoever asked should pay would make sense if there was somewhat approaching similar rates of men and women asking each other out.
	So if even if it was 60, 40, men asked out a little bit more, I could be like, I could get behind the, okay, whoever I should pay.
	It's like 95, it might even be 99% to one.
	That's the differential between how many times the rate at which men initiate first dates versus the rate women initiate first aids.
	In the opposite direction, do you think they should split the bill or do you think that we should pay the bill?
	Like if he asked, if you ask someone on a date, are you splitting the bill?
	Are you wanting them to, like, what's the argument?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, if a girl, if you're not paying, are you splitting or you want them to pay?
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean?
	What do I mean?
	You're saying we're not allowed to have a guy want to, like, he asked me on a date.
	I want him to pay the date.
	If that's not how it's going, do you think we should split it or do you think we should be the one offering to pay?
	Because they asked us.
	Look, I'm fine with guys who are asking, paying for first aids.
	What I'm contending with is the argument of whoever asks should be the one to pay, but it conveniently ignores that men are overwhelmingly the initiators.
	So as women, you have this sort of benefit where you can move through life and like never, ever ask a guy out.
	And you'll have plenty of guys, constant flow.
	Most men, if they never asked a girl out, that's the end of their fucking bloodline.
	Not that I know the bloodline.
	Like most men are not getting asked out by women.
	It is what it is.
	So I'm saying to just wave away, to hand wave away, oh, well, whoever asks should pay, again, it just ignores this kind of intergender dynamic where men are overwhelmingly the initiators.
	So it's like not factoring in that component of it.
	So de facto, you should just say men should pay because men are the initiators.
	I mean, that's de facto what it is.
	Yeah.
	But getting back to this, who, I guess going to you, it's kind of complicated because you don't want to get married.
	Yeah, I don't know if this question is really going to land then, but would you, if you did get married, but it wasn't through the state, but I guess name changes are legal name changes.
	Would you change your last name to his last name?
	No.
	Okay.
	Why, I'm just, so, what about you?
	You said you want men to pay for first dates.
	You want to get married one day.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I don't know if they're, what about some other people not wanting to?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Well, it's just weird because you want men to adhere to their traditional gender roles, but you don't seem to want to adhere to your traditional gender roles.
	Of a name change?
	Yeah, that traditionally, like when a woman gets married, she's going to take the husband's last name.
	Traditionally, yes.
	If I'm not wanting to get married in a traditional sense in the court system, and then by, I mean, legally, I do not have to.
	I'm open to the conversation of having that with my partner.
	And if it's a big deal, then we will have that.
	And, you know, I wouldn't mind saying, okay, like, yeah, I would change, but all right.
	Do you think, let's say a woman is living with a guy and he's being a provider, taking care of everything?
	Should she cook for him?
	Yeah.
	Like, that's something she should do.
	It's something that I would do.
	Okay, should she do his laundry?
	Sure.
	Should she clean the house?
	Yeah, I think it would be just her.
	She just does that shit.
	I think it would be a co-partner kind of thing.
	Co-partner.
	Hey, you do this, I'll do that.
	Or yeah, I think some responsibilities should be shared.
	I mean, maybe those that are a bit more like physically demanding, possibly.
	But like what, like just cleaning generally is not super physically demanding, I think.
	Cleaning, fine.
	Like the like the bathroom.
	She 100% cleans the bathroom every time.
	All the time.
	Every day.
	Not every day.
	I'm just exaggerating.
	All the time.
	All the time.
	Every time.
	I don't know.
	Say it's once a week, whatever.
	She cleans the bathroom.
	That's her.
	That's what she does.
	Are you in favor of this?
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	Never, sometimes he does it.
	I mean, if he wants to, let him do it.
	No, but he doesn't want to.
	Okay.
	Then you'll do it the whole time?
	Every time?
	Every time.
	Okay.
	The bow video?
	Oh, sure.
	We can do the bow video.
	Good suggestion, Nick.
	Bow, bow, bow.
	Scar girl.
	That got me off guard.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.
	This was after a long, long podcast episode.
	Come back to my apartment.
	She had my dinner ready.
	This is kind of my expectation.
	I do need the bow immediately as I come through the door.
	She has to crack open my beer for me.
	I had to scold her for those tomatoes.
	I'm not a fan of tomatoes.
	So I actually dumped her after this dinner because I don't eat tomatoes like that.
	And then let's just play the bow again really quick.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Do you see the depth?
	Amazing.
	Great technique.
	Hands, kind of submissive.
	Bass, submissive housewife.
	Ex-girlfriend did have to dump her, though.
	She was kind of crazy, also.
	You see the eyes at the end?
	Yeah, crazy shit.
	She did all of that and still done still.
	Yeah, you know, look, you know.
	Yep.
	Sometimes the bow is not even doing it.
	So do you guys think, I don't know, would you bow for your man going around the table, starting with you?
	Yes, I would.
	Okay, are we going to get a demo right now?
	Can you show us a bow?
	Not to me, just in general.
	In general.
	Can we see a bow?
	I'm sitting down right now.
	Well, stand up.
	Let's see the bow.
	We need the full picture.
	Yeah, we need the full, the full.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Oh, this is really demeaning.
	No, this, no.
	Let me get bow girl.
	The camera's right here.
	You can, yeah.
	I'll show you bow.
	No, you're good.
	No, where you were was good.
	Where you were was good.
	Okay, go for it.
	All right.
	Well done.
	Fantastic.
	Well done, Ellie.
	Well done.
	Good job.
	W Ellie in the chat.
	Would you bow for your boyfriend?
	No.
	I mean, if he's paying all my bills and taking care of me full force, and that's like our sub-dom thing.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Bowing because bow, bow, bow.
	I'll bow, bow, bow for him.
	Ellie's definitely on board with the bow.
	Yeah.
	I love that for you.
	All right, would you bow for your boyfriend?
	Yeah, I have, and I kiss his feet too.
	Okay, W is in the chat.
	I mean, that's kind of.
	No, no, no, not like that.
	Just like the, you know, like when you bow, like.
	Not like sucking his toes, you know.
	I mean, I could get behind, I'm not about like the feet kissing thing, no.
	But like, not just the bow, but the get on the ground and then bow.
	Yes.
	Sign me up for that.
	What about you?
	Would you hit a bow for your boyfriend?
	I've actually had this conversation with him because he showed me this video.
	And I said yes.
	Your boyfriend watches the podcast.
	He does.
	Yeah.
	And so did you do it?
	I did.
	Great.
	But it was kind of like, it's not a joke, but it's kind of a joke because right now, like, I wouldn't do it right now because he doesn't provide for me.
	But I told him that if he did.
	Wow, wow.
	Shit.
	You can't see the vision fully.
	I see the vision.
	That's why I did it the first time.
	You're not right there right now, but maybe down the road.
	I did it one time.
	And I was like, I'm not doing it anymore besides this one time.
	I was like, that's just a vision into what is potential.
	Would you hit a bow for your boyfriend?
	Probably, yeah.
	All right, W Lou.
	It's almost out of like respect, because especially in Asian cultures, you do bow out of respect.
	And it's like the lower you go, the more you respect them.
	So like in like Chinese marriages, like the bride and the groom will like see who can like bow the lowest.
	They have a bow back.
	I have seen that before.
	Yeah.
	Okay, would you bow for your boyfriend?
	If he bowed for me, I'd bow for him.
	One-directional.
	What?
	Why does he have to bow?
	No, only one person bows.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't bow for him.
	No.
	Wait, question.
	Would you bow for the perfect guy?
	Would I bow for the perfect guy?
	He doesn't bow back, but you just bow for him.
	No.
	Unless it was in a funny context and we were just being humorous.
	Every time he comes home from work, he just wants you to, three seconds, just hit a bow.
	No.
	Perfect guy, though.
	Everything is perfect.
	Dude, I do some for the perfect woman.
	I do a lot for the perfect woman.
	We know.
	I do a lot.
	You would rather a woman bow to you than come in and be like, hi, sweetie.
	Like, you want them to be like, yes, sir.
	Like, I get it.
	I don't know.
	She can do the hi, sweetie with coupled with a bow.
	Yeah, it's cool.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Would you bow for your boyfriend, whatever, into the room?
	Long-term boyfriend, like, probably not.
	Not a first date.
	I don't know.
	Especially if they don't pay.
	I don't even know.
	I feel like I don't know you that well.
	Like, I don't know.
	Felicity?
	Only my husband.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Look, I'm just saying, I'm going to put you ladies on some game here.
	I know y'all modern boss babes.
	But I'm telling you, first time you're at the guy's house, as soon as you walk through the door, act like you're on a mission.
	Be like, where's the laundry room?
	And make your way.
	Clean up after him.
	Clean his house.
	Maybe bathroom can be the second date.
	Okay.
	Sometimes bathrooms are a little dirtier.
	Laundry, first date.
	Maybe tidy up the kitchen a little bit.
	He's got some dishes in there.
	Clean the dishes.
	Put them in the dishwasher.
	Whatever.
	You might say, damn, I never degrade myself like that.
	You do that shit for a guy.
	He's going to be like, who's this?
	Okay, man, come to the.
	Ooh, I've never had this before.
	This is.
	I got to, hold on.
	And that guy who he's going to give you some brownie points for not for not a lot of, like, at least the bow, that's no effort.
	That's no effort.
	Yeah, it's no, no slow.
	Would you do that earlier when you go to a guy's house?
	You should do his life.
	I think if you want a top shelf guy, you should be briefing yourself before you even get to the house, looking up floor plans so that you can beeline to the laundry room and to the kitchen.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	It's all about people.
	See, that's the effort that I'm talking about.
	It's the thought that counts.
	She's putting in the effort.
	Did you also like sneak in, break into his house when he's not there so you can even know where the cleaning supplies are?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	I get that from you, Ellie.
	You seem like that kind of girl.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Anybody else?
	Thoughts?
	Opinions?
	Feelings?
	I'm telling you, look, first time you're at a guy's house, I'm telling you.
	You know how people like to assert dominance?
	You're asserting your subservience.
	Oh, I thought you were about to say that you like to urinate on the wall.
	No, I have like this.
	No.
	I thought you were territorial or some shit.
	Well, I'm not like a bear, so I wouldn't like go pee on everything unless, you know, that's what the top shelf guy wanted.
	If he was into that, you know, if he was, yeah, I mean, so far, I've been practicing my piss retention so that I can like stay at this table for as long as possible without having to take my bathroom break.
	We have had women urinate.
	Yeah.
	I'm just kidding.
	Like, they hold it in and a little trickles out and seeps into the commitment, though.
	Mary knows what I'm talking about.
	That's happening here.
	What?
	Did y'all change the chairs?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We wipe the chairs.
	Why?
	This is sitting on my coach.
	Yeah, that's soaked in, marinated.
	Pissed me.
	Yeah, well, don't worry about it.
	I'm a little worried.
	So, anyways, what do you guys think, though?
	In favor of the bow?
	Wait, you wouldn't do it for the perfect man?
	If he was going to do it for, like I said, it has to be reciprocal.
	Yeah, if he's going to bow.
	Wait, why reciprocal?
	Because are you going to reciprocally pay for the date?
	We're talking about a bow.
	That's the reason.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	But think about this.
	Think about this, right?
	A bow, boom, three seconds.
	No effort.
	Super easy.
	Zero effort.
	Easy.
	I mean, if you got low back, just a little slight bow.
	I got back problems myself.
	So, you know.
	But what you're asking for for a guy to pay for the date.
	Now, look, when you become older, you tend to become a bit, you know, you earn more money.
	But we got some girls here.
	We got 18, 19, 21, 19, 23, 23.
	You could be dating a guy who makes $20 an hour.
	Let's assume a guy takes you to a decent place.
	It's not super fancy.
	He's not going to spend $1,000, but he spends $100 on the dinner between the two of you.
	You know, that's a drink or two, appetizer, main course, dessert.
	It's realistic.
	A guy who's taking you to a mid-tier place is going to spend $100.
	If he works and makes $20 an hour, and I'm just factoring in your portion, let's say your portion of the meal is $50, right?
	$100 total.
	You're asking the dude to work two and a half hours to take you on a date.
	Two and a half hours.
	Let's say he's a, I don't know.
	He digs ditches.
	Let's say he works.
	He works a construction job.
	He's out in the heat.
	He's sweating.
	He's getting dirty.
	He's breaking his back so that he can take you on a date.
	And if the date is $100, like I said, your portion $50, that's two and a half hours of him working.
	So, when women say the guy should pay for the first date, the entailment of that is, assuming it depends on how much he makes, if he works and makes $20 an hour, you have to work two and a half hours to take me out.
	That's what you're saying is women when you say men should pay for first dates.
	I don't think it's that big of an ask then.
	Just hit the bow.
	That's it.
	I'll pay that bit.
	I'll pay the bill.
	You got to hit the bow.
	No.
	Respect.
	Bow is bills.
	A hug is dinner.
	Like, I'm not bowing.
	I'm not bowing or whatever.
	Like, a bow is crazy.
	Like, I will bow to a man if he's taking care of me fully.
	If that's like, if it's a respectful bow, like, if he's like, bow to me, bitch.
	Like, I'm not bowing to him.
	But if he's like, in my culture, like how she was saying, it is a cultural thing.
	I went to a wedding that they literally were bowing.
	Like, if it's a cultural thing and I'm dating someone in that culture and he's like, this is what a woman in my culture does to show my, of course.
	But if it's in a disrespectful manner, of course, respectful.
	She should want to do that shit.
	I like this guy so much.
	I'm going to do that shit.
	If it's going to make him like me more, do that shit.
	And that's, but that's weird.
	Like, wait, question.
	Who here wants a guy to open the car door?
	Open the car door.
	Bow and open the car door.
	Open the car door.
	What about walk closer to the roadside, the street side where the cars are?
	Yeah, should he be?
	Yes, this is these are not the sidewalk rules.
	Negotiables.
	These are the sidewalks.
	The sidewalk rule.
	Who cares about that?
	Like, who cares?
	Honestly, my mom was like, if he doesn't do that, like, there's some people who notice little things like that.
	You were going to say something, though?
	I just say those are non-negotiables.
	Those are things.
	Non-negotiable.
	Those are things that a man should just be doing.
	They should just do them.
	Without question.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, it's what it is.
	These are duties that men have.
	The man, open the car door, observe the sidewalk rule in case a fucking car comes barreling down at you and you're on the first date with a chick who's done gone on 10 other dates in the past month.
	I'm supposed to sacrifice my life for a girl who done fucked a guy the night before.
	What the fuck?
	Are you kidding me?
	Bro, this is crazy talk.
	Y'all want to be modern women, but you want men to be these fucking 1940s bachelors.
	Oh, I'm gonna, I will lay, I'm gonna protect you and I'm gonna walk on the inside of the road.
	So if a fucking car comes barreling down, he, oh my god, babe.
	Oh, Felicity, get out of the way.
	Pushes her out of the way.
	Oh my God.
	Oh, I'm dead.
	And then literally the next day, oh, Felicity, oh my God, she's so sad.
	And then she's on a date with fucking Bartholomew or some shit, bro.
	She's dating fucking dating Cornelius or some shit.
	But you won't even change that.
	just died to protect her the fucking day before and she's getting dicked down by fucking she's getting fucking dicked down by some other dude She's getting dicked.
	She's getting dicked from somebody else.
	But you're I gave my life.
	These are very slim things when you're asking for a bow every single day.
	And okay, where what is it?
	Bow down.
	It's a bow down like to a royalty.
	No, that's a bow, unless it's a respectful thing in a career.
	King and queen shit.
	Bro, look.
	I'm just saying, wait, you were saying that bare minimum or something, like men, or what was the term that you used?
	Yeah, for like opening the car door.
	Non-negotiable.
	Non-negotiable.
	Thank you, Ellie.
	W Ellie.
	Thanks, Ellie.
	Ellie?
	Wait, what did they call you on fish tank Leonard or some shit?
	Oh, Leonard.
	It's Ellie.
	That was Leonard.
	That's my name on the stoic.
	Leonard.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Yeah, just scoot in just a minute.
	What do you think is non-negotiable for a woman?
	You tell me?
	You tell me, but I want to ask.
	Let's talk first dates, though.
	Because you're asking, you're only.
	Wait, I have a question, though.
	I have a question.
	You said these things for men are non-negotiable.
	Sidewalk rule, open the car door, pay for the date.
	Okay, those are a couple of non-negotiables.
	What are the non-negotiables for women?
	I don't know.
	What are they?
	Let's talk about it.
	No, you tell us.
	You tell us.
	On a first date?
	Sure.
	I mean, women don't have to do shit.
	Again.
	They don't do anything.
	Not true.
	What is it?
	But how easy was it for you to say men should do XYZ non-negotiable?
	Your little bitch boy.
	If you don't do that shit, you little bitch boy soy boys ain't going to hold the door open, open the car door, pay for the date.
	Oh, these little soy boys over here.
	And then, but I'm just asking, okay, what are women's non-negotiables?
	It's nothing.
	It's nothing, bro.
	It's a raw deal for us, boy.
	We have non-negotiables for the men, and y'all nothing?
	I am the table.
	What do you bring to the table?
	I am the table.
	No, don't even go there.
	What do I bring to the table?
	Women, that's your female perspective.
	Women, rule the world.
	What do you bring to the table?
	I am the table.
	That's what she's saying.
	What are the non-negotiables for women?
	What's on the table?
	What are they?
	I'm asking.
	Why don't we ask you?
	I told you what mine were.
	But why is it so easy for women to say men should do this, but then you can't say women should do this?
	Not true.
	What should women do?
	Then you tell me.
	Y'all are the women.
	You tell me what women should do.
	I think we all have differences.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You date women.
	That's why we're asking you.
	It's like we're saying this because we date that person.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, also, it depends on the relationship.
	They're dominant.
	Like, I date women too, and I'm more dominant when I date women, submissive when I date men.
	So I feel like I would fill that role with a woman.
	Like, I would be opening the car door.
	And for that, like, that's how I want to date a woman.
	But for a man, I like to be more submissive.
	So it's like different.
	It's different for everyone.
	Word.
	Word.
	But in general, I think women, like if guys are paying for the first dates, opening car doors, doing all this stuff for you, the least you can do, help them out around the house, apartment, wherever he is.
	I think that's the least you could do.
	Especially if women aren't sleeping and hooking up on the first date.
	Like if I take it on a date and they pay $300 at a steakhouse and then they call me being like, hey, I need help packing.
	I'm going to help them pack.
	But it's more like if they pay for a date and then they're like, okay, now I need to go do my laundry.
	Like that's like, I feel like it's a different, it's like, you need to have more of a relationship before you can like ask that.
	Like, but I would be okay with helping them once they did that.
	You know, it's like, I don't know.
	That's weird.
	Weird conversation.
	What do you think is a non-negotiable for what you say?
	What do you think?
	Because you're a man and you have non-negotiables.
	So what are they?
	Bow.
	Yes.
	See, that was kind of like that.
	Bow.
	Defer to my leadership.
	So a lot of women want a leader.
	They find this as an attractive trait in a relationship.
	Y'all want a leader, but you don't want to follow.
	In order for a guy to be an effective leader, you can't be dealing with like a rambunctious, non-cooperative person.
	Like leadership can only exist within the dynamic of willingness to follow.
	Women don't want to follow, but it's weird because, Nick, you remember that clip from the office?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Here, I'll pull up the office leadership.
	What's that, Ryan?
	Yeah, I think that's his name.
	All right, let's see if that finds it.
	I'm gonna send it to you.
	Private chat, all right.
	Private chat, boom, there it is.
	Found it.
	Easy peasy.
	Pull that up.
	Video tab it.
	We're gonna watch this telling y'all want a leader you don't want to follow.
	Means being submissive, being cooperative.
	I got away with everything under the last boss, and it wasn't good for me at all.
	So I want guidance, I want leadership.
	But don't just like boss me around, you know?
	Like, lead me, leave me when I'm in the mood to be led.
	That's dating right now.
	That's dating.
	That's the thing that's like you can't even argue because there's scales of everything.
	Like, there's like I always said my dream relationship would be like, like, if I did like a lawyer or a doctor or whatever, like, if I was going to his little like doctor-lawyer meetings and everything, I would let all of his friends think that he's in charge.
	Like, I'm okay with like all of his friends being like giving him that dominance, like giving, like, with his friends over and we're there.
	Like, I'll help him serve him, like, whatever.
	Like, I'm okay with that.
	But also, when doors are closed and me and him are just alone, like, he shouldn't treat me like all I am is his servant.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I can play the part when it's needed.
	You want to peg him?
	What?
	Uh-oh.
	What in the fucking world?
	Did everyone hear that?
	Oh, no, just you said behind closed doors.
	I mean, when I'm down, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Like, if that's what you know, I don't know.
	They're both bad situations, but this idea that, okay, in public, you will fall into that role, but privately, you're just going to be quarrelsome and annoying.
	No, that's not what I said.
	I'm saying I'm okay to play it more.
	Like, if they like being like the yes, sir, no, sir, whatever.
	Like, if they're paying my bills and stuff, I'm okay with that.
	But also, when I'm at home, like, I don't want them to be talking to me exactly how they would to their friends, like at home.
	Like, I want them to treat me more like their person, not like this woman.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I feel like in front of their friends, they want it to be more of like a role thing.
	And I'm okay with playing that.
	If they're bringing the bread and they're that role in their job, you know, if they're like the top CEO or whatever, like, that's okay.
	Like, yeah.
	So, I guess if the traditional role for men is to be providers and protectors, then that would mean the traditional role, like the duty for women would be to have children.
	Okay, like that's the traditional role if we're talking like more so, not necessarily on the individualistic level, but on the like broader societal level, like that would be the duty to society is to have children.
	Right, but I guess more on an individualistic, one-on-one relationship, absent children, the role would be to bow, defer to his leadership, show him deference, be submissive, be feminine, and bring him peace.
	That's it.
	That's not it.
	That is what you just described.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, there's what is being a good partner means described.
	Okay, well, fine.
	Then anything that's positive can be being a good partner, I guess.
	Brian, I need to go.
	Well, what I had a concussion, my head hurts.
	So, when did you have a few weeks ago?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, we didn't even get through your notes.
	Yeah, I didn't know it was going to be this long.
	Uh, well, do you want to stay and we can finish up your notes really quick?
	Sure, okay.
	Uh, okay.
	Um, let's see.
	Uh, we're gonna here, I'm gonna get right to it.
	Add one final point here really quick, so you wouldn't bow for the perfect man.
	I would not bow for the perfect man no, the perfect man.
	The entailment here could be, he's a trillionaire super hot fucking, amazing.
	But all you have to do to get him aside from just being you and all your other positive characteristics and traits, you just have to bow, that's it.
	If he would bow, I would bow.
	No no no, he okay, then it's a no.
	The entailment, he's not gonna do.
	He won't.
	That doesn't I.
	It doesn't make sense.
	But just to be clear, he's a trillionaire.
	Who cares?
	Who cares you?
	I don't, i'm trillionaire.
	Your life, damn park you.
	You never have to work.
	This is like thousand year dynasty levels of wealth.
	Uh, you never have to work a day again in your life.
	Your everything is taken care of.
	You don't even, you're not even gonna have to cook and clean for him.
	He has servants on.
	He's got servants for the servants.
	All you have to do is bow.
	You don't do it.
	You mean bow every day once sure, once a day.
	No, i'm sorry.
	Can I ask you a question if, if there was a job that paid you a million dollars and you were a greeter at the front of a restaurant and for some reason this restaurant was like really, really stupid with their finances and you, part of this greeting procedure at the restaurant is to greet each and every single guest that comes through the restaurant.
	You just have to do like a bow and they'll pay you a million dollars.
	Would you do it?
	Be a professional bow, or yeah, for a restaurant for a million dollars?
	Or it could be a greeter at the front of like a Walmart or something like it's.
	I know it's a bit like silly or whatever, but yeah, it's totally out of the question.
	I mean it's, it's and it's a million dollars, would you do it?
	No, you wouldn't do it.
	So you'll wave your hands around people doing reiki and shit for for one hour and you charge like a couple hundred bucks, but you won't be paid.
	You won't.
	You won't get paid a a million dollar salary to bow.
	Okay, I mean, I don't really get it, but your opinion.
	Yeah, how about?
	Money's not worth it?
	Would you do it for 10 million?
	No, it's not it.
	You wouldn't.
	By the way, a bow is not like a degrading thing to do in a, in any capacity, but certainly in like a work capacity.
	If like, the job was like, oh you just have to do a little bow as you greet the people that come in, you wouldn't do that for the job.
	For me then, no for 10 million dollars.
	No, that's not what i'm looking to do in this life, so pass what that's okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I just lose that every situation.
	Money is not important to you like that, but you have these values.
	I would quit this fucking podcast right now if I could get paid 10 million dollars to just bow to people at the front door of her wife.
	But I feel like it's not about the money for her, it's just about her like inner morals and whatever she believes.
	Make the moral argument for why it would be immoral to bow.
	It's an ego thing.
	100%.
	If it was any other motion, like maybe a handshake when you're greeting them, would that be different?
	Would you do that for $10 million?
	No, because I'm not like, okay, this is about what I'm supposed to do.
	This is about just purpose, having purpose in life.
	And my purpose isn't to shake someone's hand for money, isn't to bow to someone for money.
	So this is purpose.
	Your purpose is to like sell snake oil to fucking.
	I'm sorry, Reichy.
	It's a purpose, though.
	That's the thing.
	Like, you're taking it deeper than like if she doesn't want to bow to someone because that's what money is, money is important to me.
	So I'm bowing, okay?
	It's not important to her, and that's not her worth.
	So she doesn't want to do it.
	And that's okay.
	I don't think so.
	I appreciate it.
	I mean, that's not.
	If she don't want to do it, then that's her life.
	Yes, I understand.
	It's ridiculous to you.
	I would be, I'm like, girl, 10 million.
	No judgment.
	No judgment if you want to bow.
	Go for it.
	I don't judge you for not wanting to bow it.
	Go for it.
	Not financially smart.
	I agree with that.
	But I think it's like you must be really happy with what you're doing right now.
	I love that for you then.
	Love that.
	I love it.
	I'm so happy that you love that.
	That's crazy.
	$10 million, dude.
	That's like you could work for a year and then do your purposeful work for fucking free or something.
	Wait, $10 million a year?
	Yeah, it's $10 million in a year.
	Oh, wow.
	You work for one year, you're set.
	Bow to bow, bow.
	Who wouldn't do that?
	You want to do it for a year just to set yourself up with 10 mil?
	No.
	No, my life's purpose of for I can't pause it for a fucking year to create generational wealth.
	I don't understand the logic.
	But yeah, but who cares?
	That's not the best.
	As long as she's happy with what she wants to do, that is her decision.
	Bro, if she had like a sick family member that was like, and needed 10 million to survive and then she wanted to do it, then I'll be like, okay, I'm judging because he needs it to.
	But if she is happy and taking care of herself and doesn't want the 10 million, give a fuck.
	I would be thinking bigger picture.
	Like, okay, let's say you have this side, this passion that you want to do, and it's really not about the money.
	It's like, in my mind, I would just be like thinking about it logically and analytically.
	Okay, I can't do it for a year, but for that year, I'm going to go ahead and set myself up that I can do that thing more.
	Or I can invest in that thing and start like a fucking business.
	And I have all this, I have the slush fund of $10 million to fulfill my dream of making this thing bigger with these resources that I'm gaining through the I don't know.
	That's just, I wouldn't.
	Jude, what's you don't have a job?
	I have many jobs, actually.
	No, but I mean, like, do you have like a normal job?
	I know you do, you have a couple hustles and stuff.
	Do you have like a main gig?
	What's your main gig?
	No, that is my, that's my world.
	Yes, I make money.
	That's how I make money.
	The Reiki.
	It's not just, no, it's not just Reiki.
	Okay.
	My gosh.
	All right.
	I'll leave it.
	I mean, I'll leave it there.
	I'm just saying.
	Let the girl be happy.
	I know.
	I feel like you should just drop it because we got a girl with a concussion.
	That's God.
	They got a headache.
	Yeah.
	Just like sitting here staring in front of a sick.
	This is why the wage gap exists.
	Okay.
	So, anyways.
	So, anyways, okay, we'll get into your notes.
	You say that you, when you initially reached out to us, you have a complex relationship.
	What does that mean?
	Into the mic?
	We were just on and off all the time.
	We didn't respect each other.
	Okay.
	We're in therapy now, so it's good now.
	Couples therapy?
	Well, I'm in therapy, and I bring him, and it helps.
	You're in therapy for what?
	Issues?
	Mental issues.
	I have a personality disorder.
	BPD?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Is it pretty severe?
	That's what my therapist said, yeah.
	Okay.
	You said in your notes you consider yourself an anarchist.
	Yeah, I kind of do.
	I mean, I just prefer that there be no rulers.
	No rulers?
	Like, you know, like dolphins, they just swim in the ocean anywhere they want.
	They don't need a passport.
	They love whatever they want.
	I don't know if there's anything else.
	But that's animals.
	Aren't we talking about also like, don't they grape?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I wasn't going in that direction.
	I mean, yes, I agree in law and order, but we did exist back then without governments.
	That's without.
	Wait, hold on.
	There's always been.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	But throughout all of human history, there's always been hierarchies.
	There might not have been like formal establishments of government.
	I mean, there's been established governments for like long, thousands, millennia, long periods of time.
	No, I believe, like, sorry, I believe in like a hierarchy.
	I just think, like, what you said, our civilization is too big.
	And I think.
	So, what should it be?
	I don't know.
	I feel like we should focus on more like communities.
	Communities?
	I don't know.
	So, I guess would people, would there still be companies or corporations in an anarchy?
	Like, selling products?
	I noticed you're wearing like glitter and makeup, and you have like your teeth are like bejeweled.
	So, there's like an industry and a corporation that produces the things that you're wearing on your face.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you under an anarchy, would there still be corporations?
	Um, we would be bartering and making things.
	So, there wouldn't be like massive multinational corporations, you'd be like sticks in.
	You want to go back to sticks in the woods?
	Um, what do you what level of civilization would you like to go back to?
	Me, yeah, I honestly do want to go back in time just to see it.
	No, like to live out the rest of your life, you know, like Bronze Age, Iron Age, Stone Age, I'm gonna be honest, pre-industrial, pre-industrial, yeah, go ahead, be honest.
	I, I, I decided my political beliefs like 15 years ago, and I haven't really changed or thought about them.
	So, yeah, I don't really think about politics that much.
	Wait, so you became an anarchist 15 years ago when you were 14?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, but I guess you said you don't really political.
	These are well, it's not political.
	Oh, this isn't a political conversation.
	Okay.
	This is like the structure of society.
	Okay.
	Like, political, I'd be okay, there's Republicans, there's Democrats, whatever.
	This is like more foundational.
	I guess as an anarchist, though, you said you're against government, right?
	Kind of.
	Okay, so let's say there's, and I notice you're wearing makeup, right?
	So you realize there's like quite a bit of industry when it comes to producing makeup.
	I mean, I mean, I guess you can do so.
	Like, you could rub some dirt on your face or something, or like put some berries on your face or some shit.
	But the global makeup industry is like a massive infrastructure.
	There's massive infrastructure systems, et cetera.
	Okay.
	So let's say one of these companies in order to out-compete other competitors wants to just dump the toxic sludge remnants from the makeup production process into an ocean that people are sorry, not ocean, a river that people drink from.
	What entity would you appeal to to stop a company or corporation from dumping toxic sludge into a river?
	Parks and recreation.
	Which would be a government entity, but you're an anarchist, so how do you reconcile that?
	I don't know.
	But also, don't you think dumping toxic sludge into rivers bad?
	Yes.
	How do we stop that, though?
	Why are we dumping it in the river?
	Because humans are selfish and greedy, and they'll cut corners to save or make money.
	Yeah.
	So should we maybe have like a government body that can enforce laws that prevents corporations from dumping toxic materials into the river?
	Yeah.
	So maybe you want to rethink the anarchy thing?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I hate with that one.
	I hate with that one.
	I mean, just, you know, pollution, environment.
	My, no, my thing about it was just, like, maybe I misunderstood it, but, like, law enforcement, like, really.
	Not good.
	Yeah.
	Not good.
	It could not help.
	Okay, question for you.
	Somebody murders your boyfriend.
	Who do you appeal to?
	Who do you go to to get justice?
	Well, yeah, in that situation, probably the police will help, but in a lot of situations, they haven't helped.
	So that's why we're not.
	Okay, well, look, I'll be charitable and grant that the police force isn't perfect.
	They make mistakes.
	There's police misconduct, police brutality, police killings, unjustified.
	This definitely happens.
	But as a general principle, wouldn't you agree that we need some form of law enforcement for society to function?
	Yeah, I just think it could be a lot better.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	There's ways that all sorts of industries or, you know, government bodies or whatever can be better.
	I think it could be a lot better.
	And also, like, because I couldn't ask for help, you know, that's why I got those views.
	Like, okay, I have to be independent.
	Can't really depend on other people.
	But yeah.
	It's not really.
	Is there anything else related to the anarchy that the cops?
	The cops and you don't like government.
	Okay.
	Look, there's valid criticisms of government.
	I mean, absolutely.
	But I think you do need some sort of authoritative body to make sure that we have some checks and balances when it comes to individuals or group.
	Like, for example, individuals, so criminals or even groups of people can form criminal organizations.
	Or you have legitimate corporations who do commit, well, at least what are crimes.
	Like they can pollute, they can do all sorts of terrible things.
	And somebody needs to keep these people in check or groups in check.
	Okay.
	A couple other things you wrote here in your notes.
	You said you were once traditional, but the man that you're currently with pushes you to be egalitarian in terms of living together.
	Yeah.
	Did you pay all the bills?
	No, it's like 50-50.
	Okay.
	Well, yeah.
	So you used to be traditional, but then he made you 50-50.
	Yeah, he's like, why?
	Okay, W him.
	It makes sense.
	Yeah, honestly, yeah.
	Just kidding.
	Well, I mean, I guess if it works out for you, I guess.
	But you used to be trad.
	Yeah.
	So you didn't, but he kind of imposed his, what's more, wait, what's, question for the panel.
	What's more feminist?
	She used to be traditional.
	And that's what she used to want.
	But the man, the evil patriarchy, imposed his will on her, and now she has to pay 50-50 of everything.
	Or what's more feminist?
	Is it more feminist that he imposed his will on her?
	Well, can I say one thing?
	He also does a lot.
	Like, he does the laundry, like, washes dishes, helps me out.
	Ow, he does.
	I don't even know what my laundry room looks like anymore at this point.
	Oh, because he has so many bitches doing laundry room.
	I'm kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, your other notes.
	You said you had three stalkers and one broke through your window at night.
	I'm so sorry.
	Yep.
	Nice.
	Gotta love those stalkers.
	The dating apps, they're all from the dating apps.
	That's why I don't recommend dating apps.
	They're very dangerous.
	And did you date these guys?
	Yeah.
	You said most of them were addicted to cocaine in the whole relationship, and you never knew.
	Yeah.
	Does that apply to your current stock?
	No.
	Well, I mean, I would never know.
	I hope not.
	Hope not.
	I didn't know before.
	I don't know.
	Running from the hot!
	Okay.
	You said that two times you got your phone stolen by different people and one broke the phone?
	Yeah.
	Like guys you were seeing.
	Those were the stalkers, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	You were in a polygamous relationship with what you later discovered was a pimp for two weeks.
	Oh my god.
	What?
	Girl, your life is crazy.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	Are you okay?
	I'm not.
	I don't.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I'm all right.
	What was the story there?
	Did he try to pimp you?
	Well, yeah, we went to like this big mansion party and he's in a billionaire's house and he's like, look at my girl.
	Like she's getting all this money.
	Like nudging me.
	And I'm like, oh, that's what you want me to do.
	And so I left.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You also wrote that you went over to this witchy girl's house and she showed you a vial of her period blood.
	Oh my god.
	You didn't see it as a red flag.
	I didn't see it as a red flag.
	So wait, you're by.
	I was.
	Now I'm straight.
	Now I'm straight.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of, I guess, kind of weird.
	I guess I'm fluid.
	You said two different people vandalized your car because you told them to leave you alone.
	Yeah.
	Oh my gosh.
	Two times.
	You said you were moving to Vegas soon, boyfriend.
	I live there.
	Wait, you live in Vegas?
	Oh, cool.
	Wait, hold on.
	Moving to Vegas soon.
	Your boyfriend in New York knew about it for three years.
	You're moving in a few months, and his response was to put a shotgun in his mouth.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	These aren't even the bad things.
	It gets worse.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	But I like block it out.
	So I'm kidding.
	Remember, honestly.
	I was like, I understand now.
	Oh, he took a photo and he sent you a selfie.
	Yeah.
	And so I called the cops because I thought he did something.
	And then the SWAT team came and then he got sent to a psych ward and he's this the current boyfriend?
	No, that's my ex.
	Oh, that's not a boy.
	Oh my god.
	Thank God they got a lot of money.
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	You also wrote that modern dating will give you permanent, irreversible psychological damage.
	That's true.
	I see it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You also wrote that you don't believe in marriage.
	Okay.
	I agree with you on there on that, I guess.
	I was starting to be a marriage and family therapist.
	That's why I don't believe it anymore because I learned too much.
	You used to do OF.
	Did you do any other kind of sex work like stripping, escorting, sugar daddy?
	Yeah, like camming a little bit.
	No escorting, though?
	No.
	You did do show of hands.
	Who here has had a sugar daddy?
	I'm not going to lie.
	Luna, no sugar daddy?
	No.
	No sugar daddy?
	Not Ellie.
	Not didn't give him sugar, but there's sugar daddies that you don't even give them sugar.
	Rock and roll.
	Just give me money.
	And then, yeah, we went over the pet girl thing, kind of.
	You love head pats, apparently.
	I don't know.
	I just want to be coddled.
	Coddled?
	I understand you.
	I kind of got nurtured.
	I guess I'm missing that.
	You wrote here that on your socials you lied about your age.
	Yeah, I used to.
	Because it helped with the OF stuff or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Did you go older or younger?
	I would do younger.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	How old would you say?
	21 was.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then you were never aged.
	Just 21 everywhere.
	Well, yeah, I just stopped posting.
	I was like, I can't do this anymore.
	That's what they all do.
	You said you don't plan on meeting your submissives, so it doesn't matter.
	I don't know what that means.
	I don't know.
	You don't plan on meeting your submissives.
	Well, what was a question?
	I don't, I don't know.
	I don't.
	You wrote, like, here's the full chain.
	I don't feel, you don't feel bad as so many OnlyFans pictures are so Photoshopped and such a lie related to you lying about your age.
	You said, if men can be women and identify as burritos.
	That's me.
	Just kidding.
	I too will partake in this madness.
	Ha ha.
	I don't plan on meeting my submissives, so it doesn't matter.
	I'm not sure.
	Oh, like I could lie on the internet.
	It's not like I'm meeting them.
	Like, I'm not selling them anymore.
	I see what you're saying.
	Okay.
	I'm just pixels online.
	She's just pixels online.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	A couple questions for you on the quick on the questionnaire.
	How tall are you and minimum height of a man you would date?
	I'm five, ten, and three quarters, and I would date minimum like six foot, but I've dated shorter, but I didn't really like it.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Let's see if there's anything else.
	Oh, really quick question for the whole panel, and I'll relate it back to you.
	Do you think a woman's past should not matter?
	Going around the table, starting with you?
	I think it should matter within a reason, especially if not especially, but if you have done sex work before, I think that your partner should have a right to know.
	Maybe because they have like certain issues with, I don't know, security in their partner or whatever, then they'd want to, I don't know, have somebody that's more modest, I guess.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I think it matters, but you can't judge someone if you've done the same thing.
	So if you've fucked 100 people, you can't judge your girlfriend for fucking 100 people.
	That's how I feel.
	Okay.
	I don't really understand the question.
	Like body count.
	One example would be body.
	I mean, it could relate to other things too, like if she was involved in sex work or whatever.
	Oh, well, it's the past.
	It shouldn't matter.
	But as it relates, I guess, mostly the body count, should a woman's past matter?
	Not really.
	Okay, what do you think?
	I think it depends.
	Like, for me personally, I care about a man's past.
	That matters to me.
	So mine would matter too.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	What do you think, Luna?
	I think it matters just because everything you've done in your past kind of relays back in like lessons in how you act.
	Like your past kind of pushes you to either change or whether stay the same.
	So okay, what about you?
	Yeah, I think full transparency.
	So I can make an informed decision.
	Okay, what about you?
	I totally agree.
	All right.
	Well, going around the table, what is your body count starting with Felicity?
	Two.
	Zero.
	Yeah, I don't think.
	Yeah, I don't really feel comfortable saying that.
	Ballpark.
	Hey, what?
	State the don't I thought you were trying to escape?
	No, I was dropping my fucking fat ass on this small chair.
	Do you want to do a range?
	Ballpark it?
	Ballpark 20 to 30?
	Okay.
	One.
	Nine.
	One?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Nine.
	Nine?
	Okay.
	That's for my boyfriends at all.
	Ballpark.
	You want to do a ballpark?
	You want to do a range?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like nine.
	Like nine.
	Yeah.
	Did you lose track?
	Yeah.
	It's more than nine.
	Yeah.
	Hey, you gotta tell.
	Come on, you gotta be honest.
	Give us a ballpark.
	All right.
	Into the mic?
	Well, okay, let me be real.
	Like, be real.
	Like, after surgery, like, I've had surgeries on my body.
	You're trans?
	No, no.
	My bad.
	When the gosh, I thought, really.
	I don't know the way you frame that shit.
	I thought you were trying to say you were transition.
	No, But like, I didn't have sex for a while.
	I was like, like, a born-again virgin, like, celibate.
	So, like, I started my body count again after that.
	Cause, yeah.
	Wait.
	So.
	But you want the whole body count?
	Yeah.
	What was it?
	Yeah.
	Like, like, less than 25.
	Less than 25.
	Okay.
	When you said there was a born-again virgin phase?
	Yeah.
	What age were you when you became a born-again virgin?
	25.
	Okay, and you're now 29.
	So wait, did you tell your now boyfriend that you were a virgin?
	No.
	Like, did you ban passion?
	I told him, like, I have not had sex for a long time.
	Like, I had surgery.
	Like, no one's touched me.
	Like, I feel like a brand new person.
	What surgeries have you had done?
	I have my boobs and unfortunately labia plasty.
	Yeah.
	It makes me cry every day.
	Why?
	Because they amputated it all.
	It's like gone.
	R.I.P. Hashtag big labia matter.
	Yeah.
	Fucking.
	What about big areola?
	Do they matter?
	They're fine.
	People are born how they're born, and you should just be happy.
	You should just enjoy your partner for how they look.
	I'll be CEO of that one.
	Congrats on that, I guess.
	I mean, look, I'll be CEO.
	Congrats.
	But yeah, oh my God, you got the labia plasty?
	Yeah.
	And you regret it?
	Do you regret it?
	Every day.
	I cry every day.
	Why?
	Because they, like, I just.
	Has it changed the sensation?
	Yes, but I just wanted like a little bit gone because like one of the labia was really small and the other one was like longer.
	A little bigger.
	And like, it bothered me.
	So I wanted more symmetrical, but he just hacked it all down.
	Yeah, both sides to the nuts.
	There's like nothing.
	And now it's just a slit.
	A slit.
	It looks like.
	No, I'm not going to say that.
	It looks like Hulk Hogan, what?
	Homer Simpson.
	Homer Simpson?
	Wow.
	It's okay, but it's not as good.
	The sensation's gone.
	Also, like the labia lubricates your vadge, so I have to use like a loop.
	Hey, this is what I'm doing.
	This is see, I'm against the labia plastic.
	Me too.
	You should be a spokesperson.
	Okay.
	Yeah, spokesperson for the problem.
	We've had a couple girls come on and say they got the labia plastic.
	It's sad, man.
	It's sad.
	A cat dies for every woman.
	Yep, it's true.
	It's true.
	That is a fact.
	Wow.
	And can I ask, what was the motivation?
	Like, did you have an ex that gave you flack?
	Have you heard?
	Yes.
	Have you heard insensitive jokes made by dudes?
	Like, what was it?
	My ex just was like, I like any.
	And I was like, really, like, self-conscious after that.
	That's fucked up.
	Yeah, it's usually what guys say.
	That's why I got surgeries here and there.
	But also, like, I do want to be perfect.
	I mean, everyone does.
	So, yeah.
	Damn.
	Anybody here ever felt self-conscious about their penis size?
	Very.
	I'm so self-conscious.
	Mine's so small.
	My penis is too big.
	We don't.
	What?
	Wait, hold on.
	Can you repeat that question?
	You heard it right, babe.
	You heard it right.
	Yeah.
	Oh, all these.
	Luna, I know you're kind of like the odd one out.
	All these women are trans.
	You didn't know that?
	No.
	Oh, we thought.
	That's the point of the pocket.
	Nick, I told you to get a trans girl, dude.
	What the fuck?
	Are you fucking kidding me, Nick?
	I'm just joking.
	I'm just joking.
	These are all, as far as I know.
	Maybe somebody's bamboozling me.
	These are genuine, homegrown.
	I have a peanut women.
	Okay.
	Has anybody ever here been shamed, though, for the for you know how you are?
	No, never.
	Anybody experienced that?
	No.
	Heard a cute kitty cat.
	Or maybe fat, but it's cute.
	Yeah, there's a lot of shaming language, though.
	They roasty.
	That's only beef curtains, wizard sleeve, wizard sleeve, Arby's, meat curtains, roast beef.
	Very offensive.
	It pisses me off.
	I'm offended.
	It pisses me off.
	People should not be talking this way.
	Look, I don't think we should shame men or women for their genitalia.
	Or anything about their body.
	Really?
	Yep.
	I agree.
	Except.
	Well, I was going to say we should shame people to not get plastic surgery.
	Yeah.
	And so this would mean if nobody got plastic surgery, you can never shame them for it.
	I think we should be appreciative of how people are naturally without the interventions of plastic surgery.
	Who here has plastic surgery?
	Do you have plastic surgery?
	You have plastic surgery?
	Early.
	Where?
	Girl.
	Girl.
	Her tatas?
	That is a very personal question.
	How's that personal?
	That's not personal.
	Yeah, it is.
	Why is it personal?
	Why is that personal?
	Silicone.
	Silicone.
	My dear.
	You don't have plastic surgery?
	You a fucking liar!
	What does she have positive surgery on?
	Really?
	What do you mean?
	Really?
	Really?
	Yeah, really, do you, Brian?
	Really?
	Really?
	She can just have natural jinga jingas.
	Jinga jingas jinga jingas.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Jinga jinga.
	I don't know what to call them.
	PG.
	So you don't have plastic surgery?
	I'm saying that's just a question I'm not willing to answer.
	That's all.
	And you can move on from it.
	You could just.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, let's go.
	Send my peas.
	Why would you be uncomfortable admitting you have fake titties?
	I don't understand that.
	I just.
	They're jinger jangers.
	Jingerjangers.
	Not titties.
	Jingerjangers.
	Get it.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yes.
	All right.
	All right, whatever.
	I'm not going to press it, but it's just kind of whatever.
	Wait, Felicity, I need to stay for a bit because I need to get up here in a moment.
	Okay, so anything else you want to know?
	Anything else?
	No, thank you so much for having me.
	Or do you want to just sit there for the rest of the show?
	Well, how about this?
	Do you want to...
	Wait, how long?
	Uh...
	We are going to try to wrap this one up on the earlier side tonight.
	We have Tylenol.
	Oh, yeah.
	And we have Ibrafi.
	I forgot, yeah.
	And do you want to sit on the couch for a couple minutes just to?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let's do that.
	Oh, what a gent.
	Also, so nice.
	Hey, I have, I get headaches too because I got like neck injury that bothers me.
	All right, let me read some chats, and then I need to get up for a sec.
	Then, Felicity, you're going to take over for a moment while I get up.
	Okay, these are Ellie.
	Can you read this for me?
	Okay.
	Get control of your Discord.
	We all left.
	High schoolers are a new low for you.
	Also, there is no wage gap.
	It is all made up by feminists.
	Andrew Wilson is a grifter.
	All right.
	I don't know who this is.
	I'll look into who this is.
	Bro, this is one of the reasons I didn't want to do a Discord is because it kind of devolves into drama.
	Typically, not drama that you've caused.
	Just people start fucking bickering and fighting and they can't work this shit out on their own.
	I'm not, look, I've received some messages that there's some disputes or whatever going on.
	I think it's really inconsiderate to send this message.
	And there was some drama that went down last Sunday.
	Can you guys address this shit?
	Not while I'm doing my live stream?
	Like, it's just bring this to me on a Tuesday, a Wednesday, not while I'm trying to do my stream.
	I don't know what kind of weird coalition is on the Discord that, like, okay, we're going to collectively.
	I don't know the details of what's going on, guys.
	I'm busy dealing with other stuff.
	The like interpersonal drama that you guys are engaging in on the Discord.
	Somebody needs to give me time to process all that because there's multiple parties.
	It's something I'm looking into, but the drama that's on the Discord is and the specific drama has been very low priority.
	I have other shit I'm working on, other shit I'm dealing with.
	If you guys want to leave, okay.
	I mean, it seems like there's a bit of coalition building, which is kind of seems a little like, I don't know, whatever.
	Why don't you guys more clearly address the issues?
	Don't do it while I'm streaming.
	That's, I don't know.
	That's kind of weird, I guess.
	But, okay.
	See you guys.
	Master Monkey Man, can you read this one?
	A klepto-parasite is an animal that deliberately steals resources and food from another.
	They retain hosts by seeking them emotionally or economically dependent.
	Examples include seagulls and human women.
	Oh, there we go.
	What?
	Monkey Man 34.
	Master Monkey Man.
	Makes sense.
	Mr. Monkey Man.
	These are, they spent $100 to ask those two questions.
	They spent $100 just to be able to do it.
	Wait, did we, oh, body count.
	Dough, we didn't finish body count.
	Body count?
	Um, it's not anyone's business but my partner's, but I am sexually active and I like to have sex.
	Ballpark it.
	I don't who gives a fuck.
	I think everyone deserves to fuck and love and have connections and it be a slot.
	How many guys are you currently not having sex with?
	I'm only having sex with women right now.
	Women.
	Okay, got it.
	Ellie, what about you?
	Body count?
	Word.
	Okay, cool.
	Word.
	Read this one for us, Ellie.
	Ryan, here's $100 to help you find your dream elephant ear labia L chair number three.
	Withered.
	Withered.
	Thank you for that, man.
	I do appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Christopher Scott, thank you for the super chat, man.
	If you can read this one too.
	So you get to tell us how to be masculine men, but when we say what feminine women are, you'll lose your mind.
	Give me a effing break.
	What do you think about that?
	I feel like that's kind of directed at you a little bit.
	just a tad maybe uh um i'm gonna say i mean be more specific about you know what what are we what are we saying about feminine donation to specify yeah Yes.
	Like champagne pop.
	More clarifying details, please.
	All right, Christopher, if you want to send in a clarifying message, it would be appreciated.
	Thank you, brother.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
	Guys, really quick, if you're enjoying the stream, read 100 TTS200, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.
	Stefan, thank you for the five.
	Thomas, thank you for the one.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Then we have Twitch.
	Let's do Twitch.
	Guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	And guys, it's been 37 minutes since we last had a prime.
	So drop us a follow on the prime sub if you're enjoying the stream.
	Shop.whatever.com if you want to get yourself some merch and then discord.gg/slash whatever.
	And then like the video, please.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, man.
	Look, really quick, just final thought on the Discord thing.
	I know most viewers have no idea what this is.
	This is like involving maybe a dozen people.
	I think it's fair if you guys have like if there's certain issues in the discord, like maybe there's you have criticisms of maybe how things are being moderated.
	That's perfectly fair.
	Those things can be addressed, but those things are going to take time.
	I'm not going to make an instantaneous decision, especially when most of this was just brought to my attention like a week ago.
	I'm not going to address it instantly.
	I'm going to get people's perspective.
	I'm not really getting clear-cut feedback from people on it.
	And also, I do think it's fair for me to point out it's kind of very unfair to be started, like creating this kind of drama while I'm live on the show.
	Obviously, I cannot address the specific like issue while I'm doing the live stream.
	Have some consideration as supporters that I'm not going to be able to like read your DMs and investigate on a show day.
	Like that's not going to happen, guys.
	So bring it to me on a Tuesday.
	Bring it to me on a Tuesday and I'll look into it.
	I've been attentive with it in the past before, but it's not going to happen on a Sunday when I'm in the middle of a show.
	Just saying.
	So, and honestly, I think you guys could talk this shit out amongst yourselves.
	I'm telling you.
	It's like some high school fucking drama.
	Or give me something actionable that you want me to do.
	Tell me what you want me to do, and I'll see if it's reasonable and I'll do it.
	But if you're not coming to me, like if you're telling me some shit about some shit going on in another Discord and you want me to be an intermediary between two people who are bickering on another discord, what am I supposed to do?
	So either figure it out between yourselves, talk to each other, or come to me with what you think actionably I can do.
	Anyways, back to the show.
	Like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
	Thank you.
	And oh, join the Discord, of course.
	Guys, we've recently had an exodus of people from the Discord.
	We're clearly going to need to replace our numbers because there, I think, you know, a couple people left the Discord.
	So you should join it.
	Pull it up.
	Pull that shit up.
	Pull it up.
	The Discord, join the Discord.
	Let's see it.
	Pull it up.
	Hello?
	And then why don't you go to here?
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	No, no, no.
	On the sidebar.
	Yeah.
	Let's do behind the scenes.
	Guys, we post a bunch of behind the scenes.
	And, oh, yeah, that's funny.
	So Kylie Brewer said she was trapped.
	Felt trapped, but she left multiple.
	Anyways, whatever.
	She was on for a debate.
	She's a fucking weirdo.
	Anyways, we're going to get back into the pre-show notes.
	I need to get up momentarily.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else that I need to touch on really quick.
	Really?
	For the perfect guy, you wouldn't bow?
	That's crazy.
	Oh, my God.
	I think you didn't need to accept her.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	To you.
	She burns over it.
	And that's okay that you think it's crazy, but not crazy to her.
	Yeah.
	And I love that for her.
	But I guess here's the perspective.
	It's like, I want a guy to pay for a first date.
	That costs X. Man has to work X amount of hours to pay for that first date.
	But I won't do something like completely benign and arbitrary that takes like no effort, doesn't cost any money, takes three seconds.
	Just like.
	But that might cost her something inside.
	We don't know.
	Inside.
	You think men want to fucking do their work?
	Some do, yes.
	Bro, men do it as a means to an end.
	Like if we lived in like some utopian society where there was a different topic.
	It's so stressing yourself out.
	Yeah.
	Has anybody here ever moved shifty when it comes to dating?
	Like you've done some grimy shit.
	Like you've done some grimy shit.
	Nobody?
	Luna, you done some grimy shit?
	Seems like it.
	Oh, whoa.
	It seemed like you were about to say, never mind.
	I got that totally wrong.
	Question for the panel.
	What years were World War I?
	World War I?
	Yeah.
	Smile faded real fast.
	Oh my gosh.
	Man, I only remember up to World War II with, what was that, 1935, right?
	And, well, that was going to be my next question.
	What years were World War II?
	What cares?
	Nobody wins.
	We'll go one by one.
	1935 to 1940, right?
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, like 19.
	Sorry, not years, just years.
	Doesn't have to be fucking March.
	Like 1920-something to 40.
	I don't know.
	For World War I?
	I don't fucking know.
	I don't care.
	And then dates for World War II?
	I literally don't know and I don't care.
	Guess.
	Guess.
	I don't know.
	Just guess, throw it out there.
	Fucking.
	Go on.
	2000.
	When was it?
	No, just guess that shit.
	Just guess fucking good.
	1930 to 1940 and then 1940 to 1950.
	Love it.
	What about you?
	History was never my strong suit, but I'll say 1909 to like 1915 for World War II.
	1909 to 1915 and then World War II.
	And then World War II, 1929 to like 1932.
	What about you?
	I honestly have no idea.
	And it's kind of so invasive.
	My mom's a history teacher.
	Irising to not know random facts.
	It's not higher than that.
	I feel like it's one of those things that everyone should kind of like know.
	Just guess.
	Because everyone learns it.
	Just guess.
	Oh, God.
	World War I 1908 to like 1915.
	And then World War II is, or what I think would be like 1927 to like 1932.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I legit don't know dates.
	If I were to guess, World War I would be around the 30s and maybe World War II around the early 50s.
	What about you?
	World War I, like 1935-36, and then World War II, 1942.
	To when?
	Oh.
	When to when?
	1942 to 1951.
	Okay.
	Well, Felicia.
	Just guess, guess.
	Guess like 1910s.
	World.
	I know World War II was definitely before 1942.
	My grandpa talks about that all the time.
	I don't know.
	All right, I'll give you guys the dates.
	World War I, 1914, 1918, World War II, 1939, 1945.
	I said 30 to 40, and I said way off.
	Wait, let me just double-check that.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	I was right.
	Okay, boom.
	All right.
	And I can name all the presidents.
	And who gives a fuck that I know that?
	Like, why do you, who cares?
	You can name all the presidents.
	Every single one.
	I'm really impressed.
	How about this?
	Name.
	Ready?
	Are you ready?
	No, I'm not.
	Okay.
	Name three countries.
	Go.
	Three countries.
	Brazil, Korea, and Uruguay.
	Was that one of them?
	Cuba, Zimbabwe, and Madagascar.
	Three countries, go.
	Spain, Italy, Greece.
	Three countries.
	Morocco, Japan, Belize.
	Three countries.
	Australia, Argentina, US.
	Next.
	Panama, Uruguay.
	Did you say Uruguay?
	Yeah.
	Oh, Paraguay.
	No repeats.
	Brazil, sorry.
	Canada, Poland.
	No repeats.
	Who's like Canada?
	USA.
	I thought you did.
	Poland, Ukraine.
	Okay.
	Name three continents.
	Companies.
	Compliments.
	Compromise.
	I feel like I'm not.
	I don't like this because I don't think it's a.
	It's like Felicity's going to take over.
	Yeah, I don't know what this segment is.
	Like, I don't like the idea of trying to make someone look like it's like a bunch of people.
	I'm not going to keep going because guys, I don't care about that.
	Yeah, no.
	Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Mazmer.
	Okay, I have a question.
	What would you want the yearly, the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Oh.
	100 grand.
	Annual?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What would you want, Ellie?
	Like 80K.
	Okay.
	Like 100 grand.
	I said minimum for husband.
	Minimum, yeah.
	Probably like, say, 70, 80.
	I'd say like 80 to 100.
	What about you?
	Yeah, like 150 minimum.
	Where do you live?
	California.
	Yeah, it's there.
	Wait, what part?
	Yeah, I do.
	Santa Barbara.
	Okay.
	Okay, that's fine then.
	What about you?
	70K.
	Okay.
	Pretty normal answers.
	How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I think I'm 5'7.
	I don't know.
	I could get fact-checked with the measuring tape.
	But I think, I mean, I don't know if this is hypergamish, but if Peter Dinklage went up to me and wanted to be my husband, then I'd be like, of course.
	But like, baseline, I think, probably like my same height or maybe an inch shorter.
	Who's Peter Dinklich?
	He's a little person.
	He plays in Game of Thrones.
	He's very short.
	He was in the back person.
	Wait, little person?
	Little person.
	Little person.
	Isn't he on Game of Thrones?
	Just play Tyrion.
	I love that.
	Interesting.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'11 and 5'11 or above.
	5'11?
	I am 5'11.
	Okay.
	Yep, 5'11.
	Thank God.
	If I was short and fat, oh no.
	What is it?
	I have to say, I love the popsicle thing.
	I love that.
	He wants a popsicle.
	I do.
	Wait, are they flavored?
	What flavor?
	Rainbow.
	Rainbow flavored.
	That is rainbow gay.
	Yeah.
	I want a gay popsicle please.
	Gay flavored.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm like 5'4.
	I don't really have a height requirement, but maybe like 5'7 or 8 would be nice.
	Would you date someone shorter than you?
	I would think about it.
	It's not like something that would like immediately turn me off.
	If they have like every other good quality, then sure.
	Like, how much shorter?
	Same thing.
	Peter Dinklich came out to me.
	Really?
	Yes.
	I love him.
	I love him.
	He's so good.
	And he can sing.
	And he can sing.
	You guys should see Brian's face right now.
	Peter Dinklich?
	He can sing.
	And I would go.
	I want to dig tiny people.
	Oh, of course.
	Okay, but like just him, though.
	Just him.
	No other tiny people.
	I don't know.
	I haven't met any other tiny people.
	But like if they're like super cool, then shoot.
	Okay, so if you did meet a cool tiny person, you would.
	Maybe.
	And if they can like treat me right, then sure.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'9, but I think the shortest I'd go is probably like 5'7, 5'8.
	Okay.
	But you're 5'9?
	Yeah.
	Things are good.
	The height one?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, so you would date someone shorter than you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'4, and I'd probably go 5'8.
	Okay.
	I'm 5'10.
	And I only say this because my dad is 6'7.
	So I'm like, I want a guy like 6'2 and above.
	Because if I brought a short guy home, my dad would be like, who's that?
	I'd be like intimidated by your dad.
	Yeah.
	So I need somebody pretty tall.
	Tall sons.
	Okay.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Random.
	Random.
	A random man.
	Okay, what about you?
	The fucking random man.
	Okay.
	Random man.
	Oh my god.
	Thank God.
	I mean, but you said last time we're in a bear, right?
	I didn't say bear.
	Absolutely not.
	No, because I think that's ridiculous.
	Because polar bears, black bear, like they're.
	Thank you, babe.
	They're singing it to somebody.
	Is this man or who's one taller?
	There's like three of us that need one.
	Because if we're talking about a random man, like the That's like they're we're talking about them being like essaying you or killing you, but a bear random.
	No, I know that's what I'm saying.
	I'm saying the what the woman would be scared of of the man is doing those two things.
	And I feel like not all men are doing that.
	There is a percentage, but all bears are gonna kill you.
	So if you're a woman and choose the bit and choose the man instead of the bear, that's crazy.
	Okay, you guys all said man.
	That was easy.
	Do you guys think men are more superficial than women?
	Um, like when it comes to dating in specifics.
	Um, I'm sorry, the water.
	Um, oh, thank you.
	I don't know.
	I feel like both can be very, very superficial.
	I don't know.
	Well, you circled that you do think they are.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, yeah, I guess they can be more superficial when it comes to like one-night stands and stuff.
	Like, they definitely mean like based on looks based on looks.
	I feel like women usually take into account more aspects about personality than men do.
	Yeah.
	Popsicle.
	I don't know.
	This is the best thing.
	I guess soft hand and ever.
	I know.
	I guess only three.
	But who wants popsicle?
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, love one.
	Oh, me.
	They mean all.
	Three more?
	Ellie, do you want one?
	Nothing.
	They're talking how good they are.
	I know.
	I'm like, I'm telling you, I know.
	I'm not.
	I'm not sure if I'm more and I'm like eating it in front of your face.
	Are they different flavors each thing?
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't know if I think women are more superficial.
	Wait, what was the question?
	That was the question, babe.
	Are men are women?
	Men are more superficial than women, and you circled that they are.
	Maybe I was just projecting.
	What do you think?
	What do you think?
	Oh, sorry.
	Oh, my God.
	My name, Cherry.
	My name, baby.
	My name is Audrey.
	I do plus-size modeling and social media stuff.
	And I went, I had a viral video.
	I made a spam account and I put Cherry as if it was Cherry Moonshine.
	I went viral on that and it kind of stuck.
	And now all my fans call me that.
	So it's like I kind of have to go by it.
	But it's very stripperish and very porn starry, but who cares?
	I love it.
	So my name is Audrey.
	But what was the question?
	Men are more superficial than women.
	Do you agree?
	I think so a little bit.
	I think.
	Oh, this is so chaotic.
	I think popsicles are a bad decision.
	Thank you.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	These are so good.
	I told you.
	You guys.
	I apologize.
	It's okay.
	I think women sometimes are more than men for sure.
	I feel like.
	Like, superficial about themselves or in general?
	Like, I guess towards the man?
	No, I don't.
	I think men are superficial towards women too.
	Like, I think both can are capable.
	I don't think more than the other.
	Like, a man won't commit to a woman that he doesn't find attractive enough.
	Yeah.
	But is it the same for women?
	I don't know.
	That's something.
	I don't.
	I think women, like, I feel like I see, I don't know, in public, like, that's another thing when he's saying, like, when I see married couples, like, gorgeous women with like ugly men.
	Like, don't you see that way more often?
	I feel like I don't know.
	That's why.
	I feel like I see that way more often.
	I don't know.
	Someone said, would you rather run into a bear or chair too?
	Because she would eat you.
	Yes, I would, and I'll sit on you too.
	Whoa.
	What?
	Be scared.
	You tell them.
	I'll crush you and eat you.
	Hey, don't fucking slurp.
	When you're fucking air, don't.
	If you're gonna do that, don't slurp on the fucking job.
	I was doing it as a god damn.
	That's fucking gross.
	Oh my gosh.
	I was doing it as oh my gosh, Brian.
	They're really mad right now, probably.
	They are mad.
	Gross.
	They get music.
	Can you hear me back here?
	It's awesome.
	It is.
	Okay, so what were you saying?
	I don't actually know.
	I got yelled at, so I don't remember.
	I don't know either, honestly.
	I really don't know what I think about this question.
	I don't know.
	What do you think?
	I feel like men are more superficial, but like, I feel like women don't really get the opportunity to be superficial because guys don't really like take care of themselves as much.
	That makes sense.
	Like, I don't agree with that.
	Okay.
	Well, I have seen some pretty musty guys, but I've seen some musty women.
	I feel like it's pretty equal.
	But girls, we like to dress up and stuff, guys.
	They don't really mostly.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	Yeah.
	Like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But, like, you're saying we don't have the option to be superficial.
	No, I think we do have the option.
	I just feel like not as much as guys.
	Like, everyone here is so beautiful.
	Like, women are just.
	I don't know.
	So.
	They're magical.
	Yeah.
	I don't really know how to explain what I'm thinking right now.
	Do you like medium-ups?
	I heard someone say that earlier.
	Kinda, yeah.
	I guess.
	Okay.
	So then you're not.
	You wouldn't call yourself superficial.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	With my experience, I feel like a lot of men tend to be more superficial.
	Like, I have seen a lot more women date ugly dudes than dudes date uglier women.
	Like, objectively compared to them.
	I think women, we have the ability to dress ourselves up.
	Like, you saw the gender swap things.
	Like the men that you like to picture.
	True.
	So, I mean, maybe if they had some makeup and like.
	Or like if men get a decent haircut.
	Yeah.
	Half the time they like a haircut.
	A haircut.
	It's like their makeup with a lane of makeup.
	And sometimes facial hair.
	I don't really like facial hair.
	I don't even.
	I don't like facial hair.
	It's too, it's too much.
	It's too much.
	It's scratchy.
	And when you're kissing them and stuff, like I like a mustache.
	You like a mustache?
	I like a little mustache.
	A little one, but like a curly cute one is crazy.
	I didn't like it.
	I didn't like it before.
	What changed your mind?
	My ex-boyfriend.
	Get a little mustache.
	I liked it.
	What was my question?
	Oh, men are more superficial than women.
	What do you think?
	I think it definitely depends.
	I think women are given more of an opportunity to be more superficial with like access to makeup and like we get to do our nails and dress up and you know kind of be able to show off ourselves in the best way.
	Men are actually able to too, but I think if you were to like offer a man makeup or something or like, I don't know why some men think that skincare is like gay.
	They think clean your ass is gay.
	Yeah.
	No, my brother had the worst acne and me and my mom were like, oh, here's like a bunch of skincare stuff.
	And he's like, no, that's gay.
	Well, a lot of men, the ones that I've met, they don't even wash their face and their skin is like purple.
	Oh, that's my brother.
	My brother doesn't even wash his face with water.
	And it's like clear.
	No.
	Okay.
	He avoids eating that.
	Like, I was like, do you even like when you wake up, like, splash on?
	He's like, no.
	It's like poreless, flawless, like the best skin I've ever seen in my life.
	I'm very jealous.
	Let's be honest.
	I think it's our hair that breaks this out.
	It's our makeup and all the other products that we have.
	What do you think?
	You think men are more superficial than women?
	I think that women are more superficial.
	I honestly, like, we harshly judge men on, like, the dumbest shit ever.
	And sometimes we can just be a little rough.
	Because I think we know what we what it feels like for us to be very beautiful and sensual.
	And we do the practices that they don't.
	So I don't know.
	I think we could be a bit harsh on them when it comes to that.
	In what ways?
	Like, looks.
	Like, I mean, have you ever not gone out with a guy?
	Because, like, maybe he had like, I don't know, weird, like, something weird on his skin or something, or like, bad skin, or like, um, I don't know, like, like, maybe he had a bit of hair on his back, or it was, and you're just like, no, like, that's a hard no, no, pass.
	I think, I don't know.
	We're so, we're so quick to judge for, like, those little things.
	I told you I said earlier, I like weird guys.
	So, no.
	What about you?
	Um, sometimes I feel like it's 50-50, but I'm leaning more towards women being superficial.
	I wouldn't say that I'm more superficial, but I guess women collectively.
	But I don't know because a man like won't look at you if he doesn't find you attractive.
	That's what I'm saying.
	All day and I'll go all day.
	Oh, what does yours say?
	It says, remember to say please and thank you.
	I'm the little man on the bottom.
	Oh, there's messages.
	Oh, mine just says positivity.
	That one's cute.
	Mine just says, spread a sunny outlook on life.
	They're usually jokes.
	Oh, there is a man on it.
	Wait, what the hell?
	There's a little man on the bottom.
	Oh, he's wearing a bow tie and glasses.
	Oh my god, he's so cute.
	Bye, that's funny.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	We have a chat coming in here from you, Ellie, if you want to read it.
	Ellie, you're too young for a show like this.
	I should be on.
	I am seething with jealousy.
	I tried crashing the stream via phone call, but you didn't pick up.
	Also, Lamlack says you're a fake cell chud.
	Dude, that rings some bells from Fish Tank.
	Okay.
	What's a fake cell?
	A fake cell is someone who is posing to be an incel, which I never claim to be.
	Oh, why are they calling?
	Are they calling you a fake cell?
	Yeah.
	They're calling me a fake cell, even though I've already said that I'm not a cell of any kind.
	Hey guys, here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to do $69 TTS.
	We're going to lower the TTS if you guys want to get a roasting or something.
	So $69 TTS.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there.
	I don't know if you want to finish your thought on the fake cell.
	Yeah, they've made me say this a million times, but I'm not an incel because girls can't be incels.
	But I am a vaux cell because I'm a voluntarily celibate.
	Well, yeah, until I get married.
	Are you actually waiting until marriage?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But who knows?
	I could get raped.
	I don't know.
	Oh, my God.
	It's kind of fun.
	Well, not funny.
	Whoa, whoa.
	No.
	Whoa.
	Wait, hold on.
	How am I the bad guy now?
	It's just like.
	Because it's not a joke.
	I don't know.
	Oh, my God.
	She didn't even smiling.
	Ironically.
	She meant it.
	Yeah.
	She meant it.
	It was funny in the sense that that came out of fucking left field.
	Not that she would be essayed.
	That would obviously not be funny.
	Guys, though, TTS, $69.
	$69 TTS.
	If you want to get a little message in, there it is.
	$69 TTS.
	Get it in, boys.
	Get it in.
	Because I think this is going to be an earlier show tonight.
	Going to try to wrap it up.
	Wrap it up soon.
	Hey, chill out, Felicity.
	What the fuck?
	I want to go to In-N-Out.
	Me too.
	I literally was just thinking about that.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah, maybe if we do Lol.
	I haven't been at In-N Out in so long.
	I've been waiting for you.
	Thank you for sharing this.
	I've never been to In-N Out.
	I'm in Arkansas.
	Okay, well, now you're in California.
	You guys all have to go get it.
	I'm going to have a double animal style.
	Wait, have you?
	I don't even know.
	I was about to ask Ellie if she's ever had In-N-Out, but she lives in San Diego.
	For some reason, somebody answered.
	She lived in like Oklahoma or some shit.
	Where is Fish Tank based?
	Is that in Cali or where is it?
	East Coast.
	Oh, is it like super secret?
	It's not super secret.
	I'm not asking for like a city.
	Just is it what state is it in?
	Rhode Island.
	Long Island?
	Rhode Island.
	Oh, Rhode Island.
	Okay.
	I didn't know to the extent how secretive they want to keep it.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Guys, $69 TTS.
	Get it in.
	Get it in, boys.
	Get it in.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	There's a couple more show notes we need to go over.
	The questionnaire is no bear.
	Nobody picked bear?
	Nobody picked bear.
	Okay.
	Nobody picked bear.
	Did you do the income?
	We'll do that really quick Felicity, did you want to ask them the income question?
	I already asked that.
	Oh, you did?
	They did the income?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Rock and roll.
	All right.
	We'll dive into some pre-show notes.
	Then, like I said, guys, TTS is set to $69 if you want to get one in.
	So, blasting through these, we did.
	You feeling okay?
	You feeling a little better?
	A little better.
	All right.
	Well, that's good.
	Thank you.
	Jillian.
	Okay.
	You said plenty of dating stories.
	One that sticks out the most, most recent, included your ex, who you were on and off again with for about two years.
	A couple weeks back, you're seeing a different guy, and your ex tracked your location, followed you to where you guys had gone, came out confronting us, and then the dude you were with ended up fighting the ex or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Busted his lip pretty good, and your ex was mad and broke his windshield in retaliation.
	So filed a police report and got fired from his job.
	Yeah.
	Rock and roll.
	Elaborate on that story.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	It's pretty straightforward.
	I'm not going to lie.
	But yeah, it was before I had met my current boyfriend, obviously.
	And I was talking to this other dude, and he was over at my house.
	And we were kind of just hanging out in my garage.
	And my ex pulled up to my garage, like drove past my house, and then like came back.
	And then got out of his car, came into the garage while we were sitting there and just threw down with this other dude.
	And the other dude took jiu-jitsu.
	So he like threw him all around.
	And then my ex like head-butted him in the face.
	And that's why he like busted his lip.
	And then they broke a piece of furniture.
	And then, yeah, I guess he left and smashed the guy's windshield.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	And I ended up paying for it.
	It was kind of sad.
	Oh, you paid for it?
	Well, yeah, because I felt bad.
	Because I was like talking to this dude, but we weren't like a thing.
	So I was like, I feel bad that your windshield got smashed here.
	Let me pay for it.
	That's crazy.
	Wait, so you were off with your ex, though, when this happened.
	Yeah.
	Because you said it was on and off.
	Yeah, we were, yeah, we were off.
	How long had it been off?
	A couple months at that point.
	But we were like kind of talking again, but we weren't like together at that point.
	You were talking again, but you were seeing another guy?
	Not like seeing, seeing.
	Like you said, the guy were you.
	So, this is your current boyfriend because you said you've been in a relationship, or is this somebody else?
	This is somebody else.
	This is before I met my current boyfriend.
	Oh, okay.
	I was like shortly talking to this one dude for like a month, and it like did not last.
	And like I said, we were just talking like a bunch of people.
	Okay, so you were on a date with the new guy.
	I wouldn't call it a date.
	Like, we were just no, we were not.
	We were hanging out.
	Okay, that's all it was.
	And you just got jealous.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And yeah, so you fucked up the dude's car.
	You said I fucked up the car?
	No, the ex.
	Oh, yes.
	You fucked up the guy who you were with.
	Yes.
	And then he's like, that's a bitch move, dude.
	You don't.
	You don't fuck somebody's car.
	All right.
	We talked your other notes we already did.
	Going to you.
	You said you've never had a boyfriend.
	Oh, no, we did this already.
	Yeah.
	You wanted to talk about purity and dating, dating to marry, financial aspects of dating.
	Anything there you wanted to touch on?
	Oops, sorry.
	What is like everybody like when you get married, or if you don't want to get married, like have a long-term boyfriend?
	What is the financial aspect of like, do you want him to pay for all the bills or are you going to go 50-50?
	That's what I was wondering.
	Because me personally, I would want him to pay for everything.
	If I'm, you know, providing what I need, you know?
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	No.
	I've been over talking, so I need to overtalk.
	Going down the line, perhaps.
	Sure.
	Yes, babe.
	That's a good idea.
	Okay.
	Personally, I know this is not like the right fit for everybody, but I think it's nice to be able to be subservient to somebody and have them in return, like, I don't know, give you everything you require in terms of like having a family and stuff and supporting you through motherhood if that's what you so choose.
	I was looking for my pen.
	But yeah, I think if I'm going to be a- Are you trolling?
	No.
	If I'm going to be a genuine position, if I'm going to be a homemaker, then I think it's reasonable to think that your husband should, you know, finance.
	I agree.
	I think if you're doing all this stuff for him, he should be helping you pay bills and stuff.
	But in my world, like, I don't need someone who's a millionaire because I'm going to be a millionaire myself so I can financially take care of myself.
	But as long as I'm.
	Why can I not be a millionaire?
	I believe you could be one.
	What do you mean, could be one?
	Oh, whatever.
	Whatever.
	You are one, could be one.
	I think you could be a billionaire, too.
	Oh, a billionaire?
	I believe in you, Brian.
	Why don't you believe in me?
	Oh, that has a ring to it.
	Brian the billionaire.
	Brian, exactly.
	Brian, the big Brian the millionaire.
	BB.
	I mean, realistically, I mean, maybe it could happen, but probably.
	Probably not.
	You don't even know me like that.
	No, I'm talking about myself.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I don't.
	That's why you can't manifest because you don't believe it.
	Okay, that's the most retarded thing.
	Oh, my God.
	Bro, it's.
	You know what's interesting?
	How many millions of people believe in this manifestation bullshit?
	How many billion?
	How many billionaires are there?
	If this manifestation shit actually worked, wouldn't you just manifest yourself into becoming a billionaire?
	You're taking it so deeply.
	Checkmate, this shit doesn't work.
	But you didn't manifest what you have right now, like your career.
	You're like, this is your dream, right?
	You must have talked.
	Should be offended at the suggestion that manifestation is the result of my success.
	I didn't say that.
	I said my hard work and diligence.
	But and hustle is my, not because I put out into the ether happy vibes and good feelings.
	Hard work is the result and the precipitating factor of my success.
	Love that for you.
	Yeah, no, good vibes.
	Fuck that shit.
	It's not about good vibes.
	It's like that's some hippie fucking new age bullshit.
	Hear me out.
	Work hard, work hard, have a bit of luck, right place, right time.
	That's successful.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	Like, I believe in it because I've everything I've spoken into, I have.
	Like, I've like, I'm really starting a life for myself now.
	And I moved to Vegas and all these things are happening.
	Like, I came from a very abusive home and lots of bad things.
	And I feel like I literally wrote down my dreams every day and spoke them into existence.
	I didn't work, honestly, like the things that I got, I like got on accident.
	I didn't like work hard for them unless it was the things I had to work hard for.
	But like the things that I wanted and like dreamed for, like they came true, true.
	And I don't, I just say it's true because it's happened to me.
	Like, so like the dreams that I wanted, I spoke into existence.
	I wrote them down.
	I put them in my notebook.
	And then now I'm starting to get all those things.
	So I don't know if it's a cool ink and ink or if it's manifestation.
	I agree with Brian on this one because like for me being an MMA fighter, I can't just write down, oh, I'm going to knock a girl out.
	Like I have to put in so much work to do that.
	And then I'm a Krishna as well.
	So manifestation to me is kind of new age, like you said.
	I think if you manifestation is like the new age prayer tactic.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So isn't a manifestation, like the same thing, like speaking to a God or speaking to a spirit or whatever.
	Like if it's speaking to the world, you know, it's like if you believe in God, isn't that the same thing?
	Like kind of manifesting to God in a way?
	Like someone out there is listening, some some being or something.
	Like why is like believing in God not foofu?
	I'm not saying it is.
	I'm saying like, and then being a manifestor is like, I feel like all of it's foofu.
	Like the fact that we're on a earth that is floating and we're all living, like all that, to me, is so unbelievable that anything can be real in my reality.
	Like God can be real, manifest, anything can be real because we don't see that stuff.
	So just question for you.
	Parents who have a child who has terminal cancer, the only thing that they're doing wrong is they're not manifesting.
	Oh my gosh.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You're taking it literal.
	I'm not saying I'm manifesting.
	What are you talking about?
	Even these manifestation people believe that you can cure illnesses through manifestation.
	I don't think, I think it's more like.
	Oh, okay.
	So you pick and choose when you can manifest and feel like you're taking it so literally and like being upset.
	Like, why does it matter if a girl, a Dululu girl, wants to be like, I want to be rich and I want to have this.
	And like, that's manifesting.
	And that's talking.
	And if they believe it, then it will come true.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, if they believe it so much, that they'll start doing things that will bring them into their life.
	Maybe because truth should be elevated above like.
	But it's not hurting anyone who cares.
	Like if they're like, if they're just every day writing down in their notebook.
	Like if I'm having a conversation on a conversational podcast, I'm going to be like, yeah, I think that's kind of bullshit.
	Yeah.
	But like I don't like forum posts and oh my god, these fucking manifesters.
	Fuck these pieces.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I don't think about it any more than I have to outside of it coming up on this podcast.
	But I can tell you just from my perspective, yeah, that's it's bullshit.
	It's bullshit.
	And it's okay that you feel that way.
	It's not that I feel that way.
	I know that way.
	No, that's okay that you know that.
	That's very close-minded.
	That's always like these people.
	Why is it?
	How is it closed-minded?
	Well, you're not even opening up to the possibilities that something could exist without you having to already to have it physically manifest.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	You're not even allowing yourself to open up your mind about things appearing from nothing.
	So you think if it's, if I can't see it, I can't believe it.
	There's just, there's no rigorous proof that this thing actually being able to manifest actually exists.
	I mean, I'll be a little bit charitable and say that having a positive mindset can yield you certain benefits in life, but the actual this idea that I like, have you seen the secret?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	That's fucking bullshit.
	Oh, I used to get bills all the time, and then I paused the law of attraction.
	I manifested no more bills coming to me, and then the bills just stopped.
	I didn't even pay the bills.
	They just stopped, the bills stopped coming.
	It's like the fucking dumbest bullshit ever.
	Oh, I manifested a parking spot.
	Motherfucker, you did not manifest.
	Anybody who's seen the secret knows exactly what I'm talking about.
	Oh, I thought that there would be an open parking spot and I manifested that shit.
	It's like, no, there happened to be an open parking spot.
	So if someone says, I prayed on this, I prayed on this to happen.
	I'm secular.
	So your appeal to religion is not going to work on me.
	Although I think I'm asking, I'm saying I have positive sentiments towards religion, but okay, make your religious argument.
	Well, it's not, I'm saying if someone was saying, I prayed on this to happen and then it happened, would you tell them that they're crazy, that it came through prayer?
	If they prayed on something.
	Like, what's the difference?
	Give me an example of something that happens.
	Like, how, like, sick die child and they pray over their child and the child is miraculously healed and the doctors don't know what happened.
	Like, you can't just say, oh, that prayer doesn't work.
	I would say that maybe they prayed, but as somebody who's secular, I would not be ready to say that due to their prayer, that was the causative effect and the reason for this miraculous healing or whatever.
	You don't believe in miraculous healings at all?
	Well, it depends what we mean.
	Miraculous, but I wouldn't link it necessarily to well, okay.
	Some people use the miraculous in different ways.
	They might mean it to mean literally a miracle occurred.
	Or they could use it more figuratively, like pointing towards that.
	But there was just a low probability that that would be the outcome.
	And they're using it more in a figurative sense.
	So, I mean, I don't know.
	But like, if my child had cancer, I would not resort to prayer to address their cancer.
	I would bring them to, I would seek out appropriate medical intervention to address their illness.
	Okay.
	So do you want to direct it at the Christian, though?
	She can answer this better than I can.
	Like, yeah.
	So, like, yeah, do you feel like a prayer, like, because I feel like people pray for lots of things.
	Like, oh, I pray that my daughter gets into this certain college, but what if the daughter's manifesting that they go to this college?
	Like, what's the difference between praying on it and manifesting?
	That's what I want to know.
	Like, what do you think is the difference?
	Like, do you think praying that your daughter goes to college?
	Like, do you think that answer can be answered by God?
	I got it.
	But manifesting can't?
	One question, though, before she answers it, do you believe in manifestation?
	I believe in some regards.
	I think that you can't manifest.
	Then by extension, do you believe in prayer?
	I believe, I believe in every, I respect everything, believe in everything.
	I really think that there's like possibility of every way of life because this world is so fucking crazy that I believe in it.
	Like, why?
	Why?
	You're allowed to say whatever opinion, and then I say something, and he goes, Oh my god.
	And what I'm saying is so realistic.
	And the fact that you can't grasp what I'm saying is so realistic.
	I'm literally like, I respect you.
	I respect you.
	You haven't sold a lie.
	What is the lie?
	A lie.
	What is a lie?
	We live on a spinning planet that is floating in the world.
	Can you explain that?
	No.
	It's science.
	No, that's why I'm saying science is their science.
	There's an explanation.
	I have science.
	There is an explanation.
	I mean, I'm not like an astronomer or whatever.
	I'm saying how it all started.
	Like, we know that this is happening, and even the science behind it doesn't make sense, like, that doesn't make sense.
	Like, what the fuck?
	Like, how is this even happening?
	You can't.
	I can't fly.
	So, there are some things that are not within the possibility of like physics or math or just biological reality.
	Yes, but religion and prayer and manifest, like, that's not like manifesting that you can become a bird, that's mental illness, okay?
	But manifesting and writing down in your journal as a like just being like human, human, like some flight, like you flap your arms or something.
	Yeah, that's a mental illness.
	If you think that man, like there's things that manifest, like, and I feel like it's for the person too, like to constantly be thinking about it and speaking it, it's like they're gonna make that happen because they're always on their mind.
	Like, I feel like it's a tool to use to get what you want, even if you don't believe in it full-heartedly, like that.
	Bro, Hollywood is full of optimistic people that wanted to be fucking rock stars and movie stars and actors, actresses, all these industries.
	I'm telling you, people had the most, the highest level of optimism, and they fucking work at McDonald's, or they're a server, or they're doing XYZ.
	Not everybody's gonna make it.
	And when you start telling generations of people, oh, you're gonna, everybody's gonna be a fucking rock star.
	Everybody's gonna be, no, there are gonna be people, most people are gonna work some bullshit job.
	They're not gonna have some fucking crazy, at least as portrayed.
	I think you can have like a great life, but it's gonna be within the confines, the rail guards of like a more modest existence.
	But when you have people saying, Oh, well, with through manifestation, we're going to have people living.
	Everybody can be a rock star and a billionaire and famous and all this shit.
	You're teaching people to be disappointed in what's inevitably going to happen.
	Not everybody can be a fucking rock star.
	Not everyone wants to be a rock star.
	I think if an actress or an actor, you think the guys who've been working 30 years making pizzas, like that's their end goal.
	That's like, yes, this is my ultimate, you know, happiness and believing themselves.
	Like, some people don't have like, that's what I'm saying.
	They use the tool as like, why is that a problem for a girl to like believe in this thing that's hurting no one and being like you have to be Delulu sometimes to get what you want?
	It's not a problem.
	It's not, that's what I'm saying.
	It's not an issue to like, it's not hurting anyone for someone to think that there's an energy out there that's pointing them in the right direction.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, you're shaming this thing or saying that it's so fake, whatever.
	Like, who cares?
	Like, it's helping people reach their dreams.
	And it's, it's one thing to be like, this is like telling someone this is real and this is and whatever, but if don't tell someone else, it's not real to them because it is.
	I disagree.
	I think, well, I think it's perfectly fine to pursue your dream, but you should do so realistically.
	And that's such a sad way to live, though.
	Like, why?
	No, you can still, you can still make a good faith effort to pursue that like higher calling or whatever, whether that's to be famous, whether that's success in business.
	I think approaching it realistically is, I think, will actually make you work harder to actually make said thing happen.
	If you're living in Doluland and you feel like this thing is owed to me, it's going to come to me.
	I don't believe that you're going to take the requisite steps to achieve said goal.
	If you're just like, well, I'm just going to manifest and it's just going to come to me.
	You're not going to take the appropriate action unless you just believe that everything in life just comes to you.
	It just gets served on a silver platter.
	But as somebody who's hustled and grinded, I can tell you, trust me, you're going to be hustling and grinding.
	If you look, some people have it easy.
	Sometimes they just get lucky.
	Something comes to them.
	But I'm telling you, if you actually want to succeed, I think it's far better to come from a place of, hmm, this is not owed to me, but I want it and I'm going to get it through my action.
	Not because the fucking universe owes it to me because I'm putting out fucking energy, but because I'm going to work for it.
	That's what's going to get you there.
	Not this bullshit of, oh, the fuck, put out the good vibes.
	No.
	If you actually want to achieve that dream, come at it with the right mindset of I'm going to work so I can get it.
	I agree.
	You need to have both.
	I'm saying, yes, like you, of course, have to work for what you get, but like at the same time, you're allowed to have those.
	Like, it doesn't get in the way of it of each other unless you let it, unless these people are like, all they believe in is manifesting that they don't have to work.
	They're sitting on their couch and they're like, I don't have to do shit because the manifesting God is going to bring it to me.
	Of course, like, that's crazy.
	But a girl just being like a hard worker and being like, please, like, can I get out of this?
	Can I do this?
	Can I have this?
	Like, that's not an issue.
	Man, SS, girls, right now.
	I always was under the impression that manifestation requires you have to do the work.
	But I have a question.
	Yes.
	I have a question.
	Wait, if it requires you to do the work, why manifest?
	Like, what?
	Because it's part of an aligned action.
	You can't just say something and expect.
	You have to move in action.
	You have to create action for something to be brought to you.
	What is the point of manifesting?
	Just do the work and don't manifest.
	What the fuck?
	You're not like looking at it in a different lens.
	I don't think you truly understand the definition of manifestation.
	That's the problem.
	All right, here, I'm going to let some chats come through.
	oh boy wait let me just uh is this hold on uh liquid brain i can't pull it up but uh i'll read it There's a couple words.
	I just got to be careful.
	TOS.
	Ellie, it's Seth.
	Fuck these stupid strumpets and the rotund woman.
	Put these geniuses, 200 IQ geniuses in their place.
	Winky face, featuring Never Dies MDE TV baby.
	That's a fellow contestant on the show.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Seth.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Seth.
	Appreciate it.
	Brother.
	Sweet guy.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Sons of Liberty donated $69.
	B.
	I almost drowned from a bad wipeout in Nicaragua.
	Lost my hearing for a month.
	What's one of the scariest, maybe even deadliest, wipeouts you've experienced?
	Panel, would you date a surfer?
	Okay, show of hands.
	What do you date a surfer?
	Show of hands.
	What do you date to surf?
	My worst wipeout, it was like double overhead at ring con, and my leash snapped.
	And I had to like, I mean, it wasn't that bad.
	But there, you know, like got held under a little bit and then uh almost drowned, but wasn't that bad, but almost drowned.
	But I mean, like, it wasn't whatever.
	Did you manifest me?
	That was funny!
	Like, stop!
	Like, I literally told you you're a funny man.
	You can't even laugh at one of my jokes.
	I have, you know, people, I have a very high threshold for what I find funny.
	I think it's because I watch too much stand-up comedy, and it's like do you think Matt Rife is funny?
	Matt Reif?
	No, well, I got beef.
	Yeah, I got beef against him because he said very not nice things about large labia.
	Oh my gosh.
	So, oh, yeah, I did hear about that.
	I don't think his, but, but to be fair, I don't think his humor is really my kind.
	I'm more like I like Dave Chappelle, I like old school Bilber.
	Now he's fucking kind of woke, whatever.
	Um, Dave Chappelle.
	Uh, what else?
	Who's some good comedians?
	Kevin Hoare, no, you don't think about it.
	Uh, Mitch Hedberg, uh, one of these, I for Mitch Hedberg, uh, one of these other guys who passed away, forgot his name.
	Oh, Patrice O'Neill, of course, can't go, anyways.
	Whatever, you guys don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
	Um, bass Trinaut donated $69.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	You are, what do you think about?
	Thank you, dude.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	Sorry, I'm keeping putsies.
	We have another one coming in here: Patty D.
	Oh, it's gonna just be a read.
	I might have you read this, Ellie.
	Once it comes in, give it a sec.
	Patty donated $100.
	Never mind.
	Manifestation is literally an alternative form of prayer.
	People are just attracted to it because it sounds mysterious and because there are no consequences like traditional Christianity.
	Consequences.
	Thank you, Patty.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Arye donated $69.
	This is Aryeh.
	I sent you the Land Lake message.
	You've officially made it bigger than any previous fish, and I am happy for you.
	I just don't get how you got here.
	You are not dating me.
	I ask the same exact thing, Aria, but thank you for keeping me in your prayers.
	Also, wait, didn't you say?
	Actually, no, no, um, question: who here has tattoos?
	Me.
	I'm a bunch of.
	Show of hands, tattoos.
	Do you have tattoos?
	Tattoos, tattoos, tattoos?
	No tattoos?
	Tattoos, tattoos?
	Tattoos?
	Should we do a tattoo chat?
	I can't show mine.
	They're like on my ass.
	I have my whole thighs blowing.
	I'm good.
	Never mind.
	Change my mind.
	Change my mind.
	Okay, guys, if you want, get it in.
	$69 TTS.
	I think we finished pretty much all the notes.
	You said that monogamy, though, in your notes is not natural.
	Why is that?
	I mean, you read.
	Well.
	Yeah, it's your position if you want to just.
	I just, like, it's from what I learned in anthropology.
	It's a fact that I learned that I want to talk about.
	That you don't want to talk about?
	No, I do want to talk about it.
	Okay.
	So, like, my professor was saying that males' genitalia is shaped that way, like, on purpose to scoop out from like another dude.
	Yeah, like, that's just how we were built.
	Which makes me question, like, why are we built like that?
	Why are you built like that?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I like to look into nature when I ask questions.
	But yeah, that's why I think monogamy might not be natural.
	And there.
	Like, we have all these laws.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just.
	Were you actually asking why we were built like that?
	Yeah.
	I can probably guess because of evolution that you would want for posterity your bloodline to continue.
	So by eradicating the other sperm, you'd be impregnating with your own, you know, allowing your kids to prosper.
	So like it's like a survival thing.
	Well, yeah, the continuation of the deadline.
	Okay.
	That's a good answer.
	It's so awkward.
	Sorry.
	Do you believe in monogamy?
	Are you monogamous with your boyfriend?
	Well, yeah, I'm monogamous, but I used to be polygamous.
	And when I introduced myself to him, I told him, like, I'm naturally polygamous, but I'll do monogamy.
	Okay.
	So you were saying monogamy is a social construct versus like an innate biological.
	I mean, even if we were just.
	I'm not even certain on that, but even if we granted that, yeah, it's not like some innate thing biologically or evolutionarily.
	So?
	I'm just like, I've been thinking about this because like, I don't know, the divorce rate is so high.
	Like, why?
	Like, you know, maybe we're doing something wrong with monogamy.
	I don't know.
	Why would that be evidence of something wrong with monogamy?
	Just like, couldn't that be something else going on culturally, societally that could impact divorce rates?
	How many people have been cheated on in here?
	Yeah.
	Like.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Like, why?
	Why would they cheat on you if we're supposed to be monogamous?
	I don't know.
	They're bad people.
	Well, maybe we're naturally not supposed to be with one person forever.
	Maybe we're supposed to, you know, spread our genes.
	Some animals are with their mate for life, like swans.
	Yeah.
	Like, they don't go to the other pond to get another swan.
	You know?
	But our closest relative, the bonobo, they are, like, polygamous, pretty much.
	Fucking sluts.
	Dirty.
	Fucking bonobos.
	I've never cheated on anyone.
	She knows it.
	Do you have a problem with sluts?
	I have a problem with bonobo sluts.
	Sluts be sluts.
	I think people that cheat have a lack of self-control.
	Absolutely.
	And they're lost to all and it's gross.
	It's more of a problem within themselves.
	Yeah, I hate them.
	I feel very strongly about that.
	Okay.
	Anybody else want to weigh in?
	Do you think monogamy not the natural order of things?
	What do you think about Genghis Khan?
	W. What do I think about Genghis Khan?
	Yes.
	W. Genghis Khan.
	I mean, besides like the killing and shit.
	Yeah.
	And the I don't know what to think about.
	I think I might be related to him.
	That's all I can think of.
	I can see the mongoloid features in you.
	Does she have blue on her?
	And a little bit.
	I'm Russian.
	Okay.
	Questions.
	All right.
	What do you think about Genghis Khan?
	I think he was pretty cool.
	I mean, what's the percentage of people he's related to?
	Or how many wives he had?
	That's a conquest if I had ever seen one.
	And he really likes, he's really salt of the earth, I feel.
	When I hear Genghis Khan, I'm like, that guy's dope.
	If you, Ellie, if you could go back, would you be one of his concubines, one of his many wives?
	I don't know how they had it set up there.
	I mean, it could be really rough shit being a concubine.
	Hey, maybe there's some benefits, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I don't know all the names of them, so there's not that much notoriety to being a Genghis Khan wife.
	Yeah, but he probably gives you food from time to time.
	You know, that's a really good point.
	It was rough back then.
	What year was this?
	It was rough.
	Well, then, yeah.
	Wasn't it?
	Shit, when was that?
	I don't know.
	BC.
	That's a great point.
	It was 2001.
	We'd all be hashtag blessed to be a Genghis Khan wife.
	Was it before the year 1000?
	I actually.
	Was it before the year 1000?
	I don't know.
	Mongol Conquest.
	No gingkong like that.
	13th and 4th.
	That was going to be my second guess.
	13th and 14th centuries.
	My fucking guess.
	Those centuries sound pretty rough, so that's cool.
	For security, I would be.
	We have a chat here for you.
	Aye donated $69.
	Landlake says he hates you.
	I think he means it.
	I kind of hate you too.
	You were supposed to answer my call and put me on speakerphone so I could crash the show.
	I'm so sorry.
	I don't have my phone.
	I wasn't allowed it.
	It was confiscated.
	Good times.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	I think, you know what, chat?
	We're going to lower the TTS.
	We're going to do a $29 roast session.
	We're going to just get into the roast session.
	We'll let the roast session go.
	Then we're going to get this wrapped up.
	All right.
	Roast session, boys.
	$29 TTS.
	Get it in if you want.
	Get it.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists?
	Speak now.
	Forever.
	Hold your peace.
	Brian, do you believe in the placebo effect?
	Is it dating related?
	I don't know.
	I feel like we should.
	Okay, yeah.
	Never mind.
	Sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	It's a thing.
	Why?
	Well, it's just kind of like tied to a manifestation.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, if they give you a sugar pill and it heals you and there is nothing there, that's kind of like manifestation, but that's just the placebo effect, and it's real.
	I would have to.
	I'm obviously familiar with the placebo effect.
	I'd want to look more into it.
	Like, I'm pretty sure, for example, the way that it, like, for example, the sugar pill would not cure cancer.
	I mean, look, I don't know, whatever.
	Yeah, we gotta look more into it.
	Oh, we have some chats coming through here.
	Marshi Marsh donated $69.
	Roast time.
	Chair 1, Mulam, 2, Butterbean, 3, Period, Blood Vial, Neurospleeded, 4, White Chick from Hustle and Flow, 5, Moveshoot from Mulan, 6 Britalian, TXP, Marl Crawford, 8 Female.
	Butterbean.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Butterbean.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Who was that?
	That was interesting.
	That was a good one.
	Okay.
	Oh, we have one more coming.
	Sweet.
	This is.
	Black Cut Zero donated $69.
	So you want to go back 800 years.
	Sweet.
	That's you.
	Oh, I mean, I like my creature comforts of the year 2025.
	So if I had the choice, I think I'd stay.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Hold on, I'm getting this all set.
	There it is.
	Shift Jack donated $29.
	The fritch is speaking more than the snacks.
	Has she tried manifesting weight loss?
	Oh boy.
	I have.
	It hasn't worked, so I guess manifest doesn't work.
	I'm just kidding.
	By the way, guys, Felicity's been gone for the past two weeks, so you need to roast her.
	She's missed a couple roast sessions.
	So get it in if you want to get a roast in.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, pretty much make up it.
	Oh, hmm.
	I'm wondering if there's anything toasty to finalize the show on, like any of the days.
	How about this?
	Who here thinks a man should be willing to die for his girlfriend?
	No.
	For his wife.
	Like, take the bullet.
	Fine, wife.
	We can do wife.
	Whatever.
	Personal preference.
	like do you think wait can you fix the I'll have one my staff fix it No, don't worry about that.
	It's all good.
	Thoughts?
	Opinions?
	Did you say husband?
	Did you say...
	I mean, it could be girlfriend.
	It could be whatever.
	I would take a bullet, so I think we should both.
	Girlfriend, girlfriend, though.
	Yes.
	Wife, yes.
	And likewise.
	Wife and husband should want to take a bullet.
	If you're non-fatal for both of us, then, yeah.
	You could die.
	Life partner type shit.
	Well, there's too many factors.
	You probably will die if you're shot.
	i think you're in love with someone you should want to like take like i would want to take a bullet for the person like my love When you say those vows, till death do us part.
	Yeah, I'm down for that.
	Yeah.
	Only wife and husband, though.
	I don't think.
	I wonder if till death do us part.
	So like, what if they're a stalker, though, and they like you only agreed to be with them, like, not in heaven?
	What?
	Because, like, I could see myself dating a chick and she's like trying to hit me up in heaven when we're both dead.
	And I'd be like, nah, bitch.
	I said, till death do us part.
	So we parted ways.
	So fuck you and heaven.
	Gonna hit on some.
	I'll go find a better animal.
	I'm gonna hit on these heaven pupils.
	You would marry someone that you're telling me you would marry someone, your wife would die.
	Straighten up.
	You would marry someone.
	Death do us part.
	Yeah, hang on.
	Yeah, and then I gave you my life.
	Hang on, I'm reading out for you, baby.
	You're doing that, and then your wife tragically dies too soon.
	My love of my life dies.
	Then when you reach her in heaven, you say, fuck you, bitch.
	I'm fucking the hookers.
	That's what you say?
	That's lust, and you're going to hell.
	I think that's basically what you said.
	Instead of like going to your wife and being like, I missed you, baby.
	Monogamous relationship until heaven?
	With yeah, and there's like some baddies in heaven.
	Wait, I thought you don't do the religion thing, so why do you believe in heaven?
	Maybe there's heaven or whatever.
	Oh, you only believe what you want to believe, right?
	Oh, only little pieces of it.
	Oh, okay.
	I love that.
	Like that.
	I'm just saying, look, I said till death do us part.
	I didn't say anything about heaven.
	Absolutely.
	You just said heaven.
	What are you talking about?
	Come on, you cherry pick.
	I mean, bro, I mean, I didn't say we would be together in heaven.
	He's just playing around with semantics.
	No, she's playing around with semantics.
	She's calling out for cherry-picking, but she's been cherry-picking this whole time.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, shit.
	Felicity.
	Oh, shoot and shots.
	No, it's not to be mean.
	Would any of you date a guy who had a gay voice, but he was definitely straight?
	No.
	Check the shit.
	Check the shit.
	I'll help you out.
	Here's a demo.
	Oh, my God.
	Ellie.
	You are so cute.
	Oh my gosh.
	So he's a really great guy, right?
	Great guy.
	Definitely strange.
	Definitely straight.
	For me.
	Ooh.
	No, he's just.
	He speaks gay.
	Okay, what if I wanted to, like, I don't know, like.
	Peg him?
	No, not peg.
	She hasn't even had a kiss.
	I'd be like, dude, I like need to, like, I don't know, strangle you a little bit so that your vocal cords get a little more scratched up so you sound a little more manly.
	It's effective strategy.
	Or, like, I can hire you to, like, choke him out for a few minutes, and that could change the hacker.
	I don't know if that works.
	Really?
	No, people have actually tried.
	People have actually tried to hire me to like fight people for them.
	And I can't.
	I don't want you to fight him.
	I don't know.
	I want to watch you fight so bad.
	Wait, question.
	Do you think you could beat up every girl here?
	Pull it up.
	You should pull up one of my fights.
	It's only a minute long.
	That's my debut.
	I used to be a bouncer.
	You could beat her up.
	I used to be a bouncer.
	Wait, do you think you could beat her up?
	beat me up yes you could beat me up in the way not beat up but like submit yes Yeah.
	Like, no, she's on my back.
	I'm done.
	I'd bowed down to you before and just be like, wait.
	No, no, but if you guys were in a fight for realsies.
	I was a bouncer, so I do not have a fight.
	I only train with guys.
	Like, I'm training with guys 170 plus.
	Like, I can't.
	I'm picking guys up.
	Like, I'm actually handling their body weight.
	Yes.
	Can you tell us how much you weigh?
	That's not your business.
	But big as fuck.
	Yeah, you can see in me.
	I mean, it's not a secret, but I'm not.
	I'm going to stop playing with this.
	I'm so sorry.
	Because she was saying she could big.
	She can't pick me up.
	Yes, I can.
	I'm telling you, I can.
	No, I'm not lying.
	I'm not lying.
	Wait, I don't know if you...
	No, no.
	She needs her.
	Give me that.
	Thank you.
	Just fill up the.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, my gosh.
	But if she gets me to the floor or gets on my back and chokes me, like, she's winning.
	Like, I'm not, like, unless I like sock her in the face and knock her out.
	Like, my overhand's pretty strong.
	So is my right hand.
	I mean, I'm telling you, pull up my debut.
	Yeah, can you use my water off your friends?
	It's only like $29.
	Seat 6 has crazy expectations and has not said anything substantial on what distances on the table.
	That's why you're 40 plus without a husband or kids.
	Think about what you expect versus bring.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Oh, gosh.
	Come on, so we give a response.
	A little rebuttal.
	Oh, the fact of not having a husband and kids is because that was a conscious choice that I made.
	Not because I didn't have several opportunities in this lifetime to pursue that.
	It's a very personal choice on why I chose to go a different route.
	Play, girl.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Based Thor donated $30.
	Bobby's removed the roast beef from the menu, but I ain't tripping.
	I've been having roast beef every day since my wife had the kids.
	Now I'm just playing.
	I don't go down there.
	That's ski as hell.
	Hashtag BLM.
	Gay as hell the cooter.
	That's gay as hell.
	What?
	CHO XD donated $30.
	Thank you, man.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Wait, what?
	Vector donated $30.
	Vector, thank you, man.
	Brian, why not get Taylor Swift on the pod and have her tell everyone she's Felicity?
	Felicity could then be decked out in anime clothes and be a standing prop.
	Miss the props.
	Where is Gustavo?
	Uh, damn, Gustavo's been gone for like a year plus at this point.
	Um, he's I think he died in a terrible train accident.
	Just kidding.
	He's just got a different job.
	Base, I tried to get him back, though.
	100 bucks if she can pick her up.
	Nah, you gotta pay more if you want to see that fucking three-day entertainment.
	Uh, well, first off, I don't even would you be willing to hurt girls.
	She cannot pick me up.
	I mean, I love you for thinking that, but I'm a big girl.
	So I'm not gonna let her hurt her back because she's gonna be a professional MMA fighter.
	I don't want to ruin her career.
	Some people can't do it.
	Rock and roll.
	Guys, get a roast.
	Cool.
	Thank you for that.
	Troy, thank you for the 10 on Venmo.
	Thank you, man.
	You're fucking legend, sir.
	Appreciate it.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Like the video.
	$30 TTS.
	We have our boy here coming in.
	Lost Taverus donated $29.
	Let's all manifest some logic today, class.
	Chair six, you old hags pull a stick out your flowers.
	To the fridge, put the cookie down.
	Chair one, calm down.
	Finally, chair three, seek Godfast.
	Chair three.
	Oh, well, chair three.
	Weird items.
	Put the cookie down.
	All right.
	Thank you, Lost Avarice.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's see.
	I think the final thing I want to discuss.
	I mean, should we do the bullet convo?
	Oh, do we could do makeup too?
	I guess.
	Yeah, let's do makeup.
	Put it center zoom.
	All right.
	So, we have a segment on the show where everybody removes their makeup.
	Congratulations.
	Take the makeup off.
	Take it off.
	Enjoy.
	Enjoy.
	And then you're going to hold it up to the monitor so we can see the before.
	You're going to do it.
	I'm waiting for the.
	Oh, she's waiting.
	All right.
	All right.
	Hook it up.
	I'm going to do it.
	No, but I'm going to say, I wasn't going to think next time if I do go on again, I will bring my actual makeup remover stuff and do it.
	She's bougie.
	No, you can't.
	I cannot remove this makeup with that stuff.
	Like, my says, wait, like, really waterproof.
	What do you mean?
	This is some primo photo.
	No, this is like the dollar store cookie.
	I've got the honest wipes over here.
	Like, I need coconut oil and like this is like water base.
	So funny next time I will, because I'm not afraid to be with no makeup.
	I guess I want to look like a raccoon.
	Hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	Hold on.
	Let me look here.
	Hold it up.
	Spread him.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	Spread the makeup wipe.
	All right.
	Honestly, I think my mother's.
	Some of y'all ain't done.
	Y'all gotta get it.
	Y'all need one more.
	Y'all need one more.
	One more.
	Nick, you can pull up the Super.
	It's below the threshold.
	If you want, guys, we're just doing TTS through streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	Super chats don't trigger a TTS.
	Streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	$30 TTS.
	mary remember the the thing we're gonna do at the outro yeah you're gonna do that right away got Guys, stick around for the end of the stream because we're gonna be doing something really cool during the outro screen, something new.
	I don't know, maybe it'll be interesting.
	It's only like 30 seconds, so be sure to stay tuned until the very end of the show.
	A little cool thing there.
	We're not wrapping quite yet, but you know, in momentarily.
	So, do any of you want to speaketh on any topics before we wrap it?
	Did you hear about the tea app, Brian?
	Yeah, we covered it last show, I'm pretty sure.
	Or was it the show before?
	I think it was two shows.
	Yeah, you were gone, Rude.
	It was two shows ago.
	I think we covered it.
	I'm also starting my own app.
	I am starting an app.
	I didn't know what the big app was, and I got it.
	The big labyrinth?
	I thought it was like tea on everyone, and I saw it was only men.
	I was like looking myself up on there.
	I was thinking if I would post about me, like, what's up?
	Did you take the makeup off?
	And you want to do that?
	I'm not taking.
	You don't want to take it off?
	Not all of it.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Final thing here.
	Do you think it's beta?
	Beta.
	If a guy's not willing to die for his girl?
	What do you think?
	No.
	Like he's not willing to, he's letting you sacrifice yourself so he can survive.
	Again, we're talking like husband life.
	Well, you don't want to get married, so just do it.
	Yeah, my guy.
	Yeah, I don't think, no, he should.
	Because I would do the same for him.
	Oh, you would do the same?
	Yeah, okay.
	All right.
	I hate it when they say that.
	I would do the same.
	It's like, damn, I can't.
	All right, I guess that's fair.
	I guess that's fair if you're willing to do for them.
	Then it's kind of fair if you want them to do for you.
	Like, I feel like you shouldn't kill yourself for someone who doesn't want to do it for yourself, you know?
	Juice 69 donated $30.
	Thank you.
	Oh, there you go.
	Nice little comment.
	There's a little nice comment for Luna there.
	Thank you, Juice.
	What about my nice comment?
	That was a really nice comment.
	What species of animal?
	What?
	Did you not hear what they said?
	no what'd they say they said i need he said chair two needs to find a husband at the zoo Oh my god, that's so funny.
	Probably the elephants or like the rhinoceroses.
	Oh my gosh.
	What other fat animals are there?
	Gorilla.
	Hippos.
	Whales.
	Ah, that game.
	Chunky.
	Whales at a zoo.
	Rhino.
	Rhino?
	SeaWorld.
	Oh, yeah, I've counted.
	All right, guys.
	Final call.
	Final call on the roast.
	Final call on the TTS.
	Tired.
	Final call.
	Early show tonight.
	Early show tonight.
	Get it.
	Final call, guys, if you want to get one in.
	$30 TTS if you want to do a roast.
	You can roast me, Roast Felicity, Roast.
	Is there anything we're missing, Nick, that we're really quick this article?
	I'll just pull it up.
	I'll go over it.
	30 seconds.
	Yeah.
	So I don't know if you guys know the Movember movement.
	It's been going on for over 10 years or something.
	I think it's been infiltrated by feminists or something, and they've redirected a lot of the, apparently, I just skimmed the article, so pull it up.
	So Movember rips off men's health dollars.
	Feminists take over.
	Scroll down.
	I'll just read a little bit of it.
	It was a great idea.
	Charity started by a couple of Vozzy blokes persuaded men to grow mustaches to support the Prostate Cancer Foundation.
	20 years later, Movember has grown from that small group of men sporting hairy upper lips to become the major male health charity in the world.
	Every November in country after country, blokes blah, blah, blah, my God.
	Okay, just get to the point.
	Little do that do they know that this huge enterprise run by a feminist and supported by mainly female staff is increasingly committed to diverting men's health dollars away from real male health concerns towards woke projects promoting anti-male ideology.
	If you guys want to read the rest of it, it's there on that, I guess, what was that, substack or whatever.
	Basically, you know, November's coming up, whatever.
	There's a lot of fundraising for certain male causes, but they're like, I guess, diverting money away from more traditional places that they used to put it to like, I think it, or pull the article back up really quick.
	There's one point that was really interesting.
	Scroll down.
	Where is it?
	I saw something like scroll down.
	The leadership is 70% female.
	Scroll down.
	Damn, there's something I saw that, like, scroll, keep going, keep going down.
	Scroll down, scroll down.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Go up just a bit.
	They then turned around in a net.
	Wait.
	Wait.
	They then turned around and announced $160 million for women's health and zero for men in the budget.
	Mind you, this is like an organization that's always been geared towards advocacy for men.
	So scroll down a little bit.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	So three and four on the lives involve men, but 60% of people helped are women.
	So, I mean, I think it's great to help women in that capacity, but I mean, it's a men's advocacy organization, or at least it purported to be.
	You can read the whole thing, though.
	It's substack kind of fucking bullshit.
	So if you've supported Movember in the past, I'd recommend you not because it's, I mean, look, you want to go support a woman's charity, go for it.
	But that was specifically advertised as a male charity, and they're clearly not holding up to that promise.
	So, anyways, just wanted to weigh in on that.
	We have some two more chats coming through.
	Then we're going to get wrapped up.
	Nice.
	Felicity's back.
	Nice comment for Jetu donated $30.
	She can become a millionaire if she sells all of her math.
	That's just stupid.
	Like, that's not even funny.
	Because Faznine, stupid.
	Juice 69 donated $30.
	they're talking about me though elephant large seal maybe blue whale those are really good options A large seal.
	Juice $69 donated $30.
	Didn't we just are you just really trying to let me hear that?
	Maybe blue whale.
	Oh, what?
	It's okay.
	Hold on.
	Let me see if that's weird.
	Not sure why I did that.
	There we go.
	Thanks, babe.
	Plus-sized heart.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Ann.
	Oh.
	Everyone hates the fats.
	In other news, women ruin everything they touch.
	To give you guys perspective, this would be like if men infiltrated women's breast cancer fundraising charity or whatever, and then they're like, they became the majority in the company, and they're like, you know what?
	All this money that we are getting on the backs of the goodwill of women's breast cancer, we're going to divert it to men's prostate cancer research.
	Like, that's kind of why it's kind of scummy, you know?
	It is scummy.
	Look, we should pursue all kinds of cancer cancers that affect women, cancers that affect men.
	But it is pretty scummy to fucking advertise yourselves as, hey, we're doing male advocacy, and then be like, no, we're just going to send all, donate all this money to men.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think, yeah, we're all done.
	Okay, cool.
	So I want to say GG, or I'd like to end this.
	No, nobody here does, or you do OF, right?
	Yeah, I guess.
	All right, you should just quit that shit.
	Anyways, GG.
	GG, well played to the panel.
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	Also, wait a second.
	Nick, are we forgetting something?
	Are we forgetting something?
	I'm just thinking if we, ah, now we're good.
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