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4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guest introduce themselves.
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	I am Sin.
	I'm 39.
	I live in LA and I work in the cannabis industry.
	Any education?
	High school.
	High school, okay.
	Did you go to college at all or anything?
	Okay.
	Hi, my name is Eugena.
	I'm 34.
	I'm a research student and I teach at Glasgow University and I'm from Brooklyn originally.
	You teach at film studies at Glasgow University.
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	And what's your what did you study when you were going to university?
	I did an MFA in film production and screenwriting.
	What about the feminist component of that?
	Oh, well, I'm doing feminist film theory now.
	What is that?
	At Glasgow University.
	It's feminist interpretation of film theory.
	So it's Laura Mulvey, all those people involved in it.
	So are you analyzing feminist films or you're analyzing?
	No, no, no, you're analyzing.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Or are you analyzing films through a feminist lens?
	Exactly that, yeah, the second one.
	Okay.
	Have you analyzed any Quentin Tarantino films through a feminist lens?
	He's not part of my specification, but other people have, yeah.
	Okay.
	What films am I looking at?
	Are you looking at?
	Well, my main focus is Jane Campion, Claire Denis, and Andrea Arnold.
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	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Sorry, who?
	Andrea Arnold.
	She had a film called Fish Tank and American Honey that came out not too long ago.
	Right.
	And Jane Campion had Power of the Dog, is her famous one.
	She won the best director for that one.
	Okay.
	And the other one is Claire Denis.
	And you said, so undergrad, you got your degree in what?
	My undergrad was history.
	I got a bachelor in history.
	From which university?
	McGill University.
	And your master's?
	Stony Brook University in New York.
	And what was the.
	It was an MFA.
	It was screenwriting.
	And then you have a PhD or you're working on it?
	I'm working on it.
	Okay.
	And that is also in film?
	Film studies, yeah.
	Film studies.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Kelly.
	I'm 23.
	I work in the automotive industry.
	I also make commentary videos and stream on Twitch at Kinetic Cal.
	Okay.
	Do you want to answer?
	Oh, and I'm from San Diego.
	Sorry.
	Any university or anything like that?
	No, university.
	Went straight to the vocational path, but it's been paying off.
	Okay, and you said you work in the automotive industry?
	Yeah, I do car sales.
	Which just sounded fancier.
	Which brand?
	I probably don't want to say that just because they know what city I live in.
	Oh, okay, that's fine.
	Sorry.
	That's fine.
	But you're a car salesman.
	Yes, I sell cars.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	My name is Elizabeth.
	I am 27.
	I am from Phoenix, Arizona.
	I am a mom.
	I am a content creator.
	And I am getting ready to go back to school.
	What's the highest level of education?
	My high school.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Amanda Bover.
	I'm 34.
	I'm a mom and a security guard.
	I'm from Santa Barbara, California, and I've done some vocational school.
	Okay.
	Any associates degree or just for the vocational school?
	I'm two months away from my associates.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And you said you're a security guard?
	You have your guard card?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you do.
	I work at the Santa Barbara Bull and I usually do electronic music festivals.
	Okay.
	I'm working Northern Nights.
	You work event security.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You're not like doing executive protection.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Jenna.
	Close the doors, please.
	31.
	I'm a bartender.
	I'm from Rancho Cookamunga.
	And I did a little bit of college, but nothing serious.
	Okay, occupation?
	Bartending.
	And you said you did a little bit of education.
	What was that?
	I just took some college courses.
	I was wanting to get into marine biology, but I never finished.
	Okay.
	Bartender.
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	Like a bar, nightclub, private events?
	It's across from a golf course.
	So we close early.
	It's nothing crazy.
	Nightlife.
	We close at 10 o'clock.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Julie.
	I'm 45.
	I live in LA County.
	I have a bachelor's in psychology and my education specialist credential.
	I'm a teacher, and I also am an assistant coordinator for a private ministry.
	And we assist people moving from the public sector into the private, allowing them to be more tax beneficial, operating out of trust, things of that nature.
	We also invest in commercial paper and things in that realm.
	I looked into it a little bit because you have a link to it in your Instagram.
	And something about secured party creditor.
	Yes.
	Are you a secured party creditor?
	I am, actually.
	So look, I hope I don't know anything about this.
	And I don't know if this is a fair comparison.
	Are you a sovereign citizen?
	Yeah, so I try to stay away from that.
	That has a lot of negative connotation.
	And so I initiated with SPC or Secured Party Creditor with the intention of going further private.
	But at this point, I'm just staying with that.
	So it really doesn't change anything for me.
	It doesn't change anything in my life.
	It just kind of opens the door if I choose to go any further in the private realm.
	And it does allow you to do particular things.
	You can discharge bonds.
	So you can discharge things like, say you have student loans, credit loans, things of that nature.
	Once you go through the SPC process, you are able to discharge those, meaning you no longer owe on them.
	You're just charging the bond on that.
	But are you, because of your secured, what is it, secured party creditor status, are you beyond the reach of the laws of the United States government?
	No.
	You would have to go significantly further, and really it does require a significant amount of funds to be able to do that.
	Can you explain that process?
	Yeah, so I do more of the administrative component.
	So to go into extreme detail, I probably wouldn't be able to.
	But the next step, we have a couple of other steps that are, so one would be becoming a non-citizen, and that is basically handling all of these bonds through probate court.
	And we do have access to these things.
	This is not just a bunch of paperwork.
	And I mean, you hear all kinds of nonsense all the time.
	We have people come to us that have had failed attempts at doing these things.
	And we also do international processes.
	So that goes all the way to The Hague.
	So beyond that, that's probably as best in detail as I can articulate.
	Okay.
	Kat, thank you for the big gifted 50.
	Guys, W's and Chaffer Kat for the gifted 50 memberships.
	Thank you so much, Kat.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, wait, but so you're saying with the secured party creditor thing, when you get far enough, you can be out of reach of the civil and criminal laws of the United States government.
	Is that essentially yes, because you're not under the jurisdiction of the United States government.
	So would this would you like revoke your citizenship in order to do this?
	Do you remain a citizen?
	No, you would, no, you would, I don't want to say revoke because that's not the proper terminology, but you would no longer be a quote unquote unquote citizen of the U.S. Wait, quote unquote.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	So wait.
	Are you on the path to becoming an out?
	Are these outlaws?
	Are you outlaws?
	No, no, it really isn't.
	There's so much negativity surrounding that, and that's why when you asked me last time if I was a sovereign citizen, I said no, because I don't want to be associated with that either.
	But it does take you last time if you're a sovereign citizen.
	Oh, okay.
	It's sorry, can you ask me again your question?
	Well, it's just, I don't know, the whole thing, it seems sovereign citizen-y a little bit.
	She traveled here.
	Sure.
	Are you understanding?
	Is that the traveler?
	I am the traveler and the subject to.
	I'm not traveling.
	Not traveling.
	You can ask a question.
	Right.
	You can ask her.
	But to be fair, to operate in this capacity, it takes a significant deal of education from constitutional law, tax law, et cetera, et cetera.
	There's so many people out there operating, saying they know how to do all of these things.
	And you can absolutely end yourself in big trouble.
	A lot of people try to do these things.
	So I would say that I'm blessed to...
	Wait, is this part of the redemption movement?
	Are you part of the redemption movement?
	No, I wouldn't associate myself with any of those things.
	But to be fair, what is it, the redemption manual?
	I think a lot of people follow that.
	But things are always changing.
	And if you're following certain things, you have to be in the know of what's changing, who's in office, other procedures that go particular ways.
	Again, I'm not the best to articulate this.
	My boss and dear friend would be significantly, is significantly better.
	Is your boss a secured party creditor?
	I don't want to speak on him.
	But I will say that I don't like saying these things because I know it just adds more scrutiny.
	What's wrong with square roots?
	Is it just mainly like a religious exemption for taxes?
	No, no.
	Or it's totally, you're not under the jurisdiction of the United States.
	Right.
	I mean, you can't just stop paying taxes.
	You have to do particular things.
	You can discharge your IRS bonds.
	You can, some people just simply do a revocation of election and so on.
	Have you paid your taxes this year?
	Well, for the last year, I was not receiving any income or the prior year, but I was teaching this last year.
	So I will either have to pay taxes or do either other options, lawful money redemption.
	I could do revocation of election.
	I'm a bit confused because she asked if it was related to religion, but you described it as a ministry.
	Right.
	So if you operate as a 508 C1A, I believe, Then you are operating as a ministry and therefore, so for example, if someone is utilizing one of your services, you do this through, initially do this through membership.
	So in order to operate, you agree to these terms.
	And then.
	It's a cult.
	And then, no, not at all.
	And then, I'm sorry, I spaced out on the second part of that.
	Oh, instead of taking a payment for a service, you would take a donation.
	And because it is a donation, it is not eligible to be taxed.
	Oh, I understand.
	The church.
	Right, but usually churches operate as a 501c3.
	I get them mixed up.
	So it is a little bit different.
	Wait, but so are you, have you named yourself as both a debtor and creditor?
	Yes.
	And your boss is also a debtor and creditor.
	And you file UCC1 statements?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And something about, I'm reading here, attempting to reclaim their strawman identity?
	Well, this is going, I mean, this is a lot of the old lingo that's been in place.
	It's not in use anymore.
	No, I mean, it is.
	It's just, I don't know.
	Okay.
	But, and so by doing this, though, does this give you sovereignty from laws, debts, taxes, or courts?
	Not to the, not to where I'm at at this moment.
	What do you mean where you're at?
	I've only done becoming a secured party creditor.
	People think that that's the end-all-be-all and you're free and all this other nonsense.
	When in fact, in a sense, I don't want to say it's nothing.
	It's just a foundational component for moving forward and doing other things.
	But once you, it is possible to get to that point.
	Like your boss is at that point.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And you know other people who are at that point.
	I don't personally know anyone because it is a very expensive route to take to go through the complete process.
	Okay.
	But you said your boss is sovereign.
	If you want to use that word.
	But okay, so but you're saying that it once you get to that the fullest extent of being a secured party creditor, that would make you sovereign from laws, debts, taxes, or courts.
	Is that correct?
	I yes.
	Okay, so but does your boss, does he live in the United States?
	Not on his taxes.
	Yeah, I think I can say that.
	Yes.
	And then hold on.
	So to be clear, somebody who's a secured party creditor could commit the act of murder, but if they're, as far as they can go, in terms of however you framed it, becoming a secured party creditor, they could not be prosecuted for murder on the federal or state level by the United States government.
	That's a good question, and I don't have the answer to that.
	So I won't speak on it.
	I don't think that that's the goal of any of the, you know, certainly not the goal of any of that.
	Right, but I'm not saying it's the goal.
	I'm saying if it is the case that somebody who has gone far enough into becoming a secured party creditor that they are immune to the laws or debts, taxes or courts, whatever, would that not extend itself to certain criminal actions?
	I mean, murder is very extreme.
	Why don't I just say like a DUI?
	If you get pulled over by a police officer, whether it's a county sheriff, a city police officer, or a federal law enforcement officer.
	Well, there's a difference between a crime actually is defined by causing injury to another person.
	But this doesn't even go to that extent, right?
	But so I guess hypothetically.
	Yes.
	What do you mean, hypothetically?
	Like, so when you say hypothetically, yes, if somebody was pulled over by a law enforcement officer for DUI, they would not be subject to the jurisdiction of either state law or, you know, whatever.
	It doesn't mean that they, and again, like I said, I generally walk people through the process.
	I'm more of the administrative component.
	So to fairly answer these questions, I'm not the right person.
	But a person like that might actually be, you could actually be arrested, but because of what's held in your secured party creditor documentation, there's ways that you can move around these things.
	But again, I want to be very, very straightforward and say that this is not for just anyone.
	You can't just do a process and then think that you're completely fine.
	You have to know how to operate.
	You have to know the laws.
	You have to know how to conduct yourself in court, et cetera, et cetera.
	Okay, but you're saying that, yes, you could be arrested, but you would be able to successfully challenge the merits of the arrest and evade prosecution through the court system by claiming to be a secured party creditor, is what you're saying.
	I would not say that.
	But you said it gives people, let's say you're arrested because you don't have a license, for example, right?
	Sure, driver's license, yeah.
	They, because of what's stated in, I believe it's your legal notice in demand, your collateral, because it's false, you're falsely arrested.
	I'm even taking this to another place, another, I don't know what I want to say, you could actually sue and get money back or just sue them and win because they're countering your person.
	Again, I don't think it's fair for me to continue speaking because I don't have to countering your person?
	What do you mean?
	Right, it's against your body and your collateral, et cetera.
	Collateral.
	Wait.
	I don't know.
	The person.
	I want to be able to answer this better, but to be fair, again, I don't have that breadth of knowledge.
	This is actually something I think we should be, not the sovereign part, but in terms of constitutional law and things like that, this is what I actually think we should be teaching in the classroom.
	Are you a natural person?
	Like when you get arrested, when you say you're a sovereign citizen, you get arrested and they can't take you in.
	No, like, again, I don't want to misspeak on anything.
	We should have a class in school on how to write your income office donations for sure.
	Oh, there's absolutely many, many things that we can do, but we're never taught that in school.
	So are these people just essentially above the law?
	I wouldn't say that.
	It's not, again, I think there's such a negative connotation with people trying to pose it that way.
	And that's not really what it is at all.
	Were you on a previous episode?
	Because I'm having like deja.
	Oh, I remember you.
	She's been on the show before.
	Because I remember this conversation.
	I tried to avoid it.
	Well, I don't think it got.
	We touched on it.
	No, because I don't know.
	I think I just asked you if you're a sovereign citizen and that was it.
	Wait, but you said the person.
	Are you the agent?
	Like, are you the person?
	Your name's Julie, right?
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	Are you the person, Julie?
	Are you the agent, Julie?
	Or what are you?
	I am the living woman, Julie.
	Are you the natural person?
	The natural living woman.
	Are you the living soul?
	Or are you the legal?
	But are you a legal fiction?
	I am not a legal fiction.
	Not a legal fiction.
	A legal fiction is brought into play when your birth certificate is.
	There's like some sovereign citizen arguing with a judge.
	What is it?
	There's some good stuff out there, and there's some awful stuff out there.
	I'm trying to see if there's a.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	So it sounds like you're a sovereign citizen, but like with a different title.
	Case clothes going round, round.
	At this point, there's nothing that I can do unless I teach myself how to operate in such a way, right?
	I just did the foundational component, and that's all.
	Well, I guess one question.
	So you said down the road when you said you need to accrue more knowledge and it requires money or I don't know, whatever it requires.
	Down the road, would you be able, would you be immune from criminal prosecution?
	I don't.
	I would wait.
	I don't want to touch that one.
	Why not?
	Because I don't know.
	But wait, don't you work for me?
	I guess in theory, I work for I walk people through the procedural process of becoming secured party.
	And I, you know, handle membership and emails and all that.
	What's the rate?
	What's the fee to like if I came to you, I was like, how much do I have to pay you to get started on the path of becoming a secured party creditor?
	Our membership is $300.
	And if you wanted to become SPC, it's $2,000.
	$2,000.
	Okay.
	Can I get like a 50% discount?
	Maybe, Brian.
	Maybe.
	If you stop asking me, sovereign citizens.
	But so what do you, what do they get?
	Knowledge.
	What?
	Somebody buys your thing, what do they get?
	So, for example, I can, if I want to discharge bonds.
	So if I want to discharge my license, if I want to discharge my birth certificate bond, if I want to discharge my student loans, et cetera, those are things I can do through the bond on my birth certificate, which is a component of becoming a secured party.
	Okay.
	Do you get commissioned for new recruits?
	No, I don't.
	No.
	Okay, good.
	Sound a little sketchy there.
	You're forgetting her.
	She's there too, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, maybe we'll come back to that later.
	Sovereign citizen.
	Or not, sorry, secured party creditor.
	All right.
	Your intro, please?
	My turn?
	Yes.
	My name is Pia.
	I'm 27.
	I'm from New York.
	I'm an electrician.
	And highest education is trade school.
	All right.
	You said you're an electrician?
	Yes.
	Master journeyman.
	Master electrician.
	I'm a licensed licensed man.
	Master electrician.
	Licensed in New York.
	I run my own business.
	What part of New York?
	So the business is in Sullivan County.
	Is that like Long Island?
	No, no, no.
	We call it upstate, but it's not upstate.
	So you're upstate in New York?
	Yeah, sure.
	It's not upstate.
	Where did you grew up, though?
	I grew up in Rockland County, so it's two counties down.
	So where the city is, there's the Hudson River, other side of the Hudson River.
	So, by jersey?
	Yeah, gotta buy jersey.
	Okay, sorry.
	Have you been to the Jersey shore?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Nothing special there.
	Hold on one sec.
	We have a chat coming through.
	Sorry for the delay on this.
	I was very curious about the secured party credit or stuff, but we have Chef Dill Pickles.
	Sorry for the delay on this.
	Chair.
	Wait, what the hell?
	Why is it one sec?
	Hold on.
	What did I do?
	There it is.
	TTS is working.
	Chef Dill Pickles donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Chair five.
	What is your drug of choice?
	That's you.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	I'm a stoner.
	Okay, you're a stoner.
	I'm a stoner all the way.
	You're a stoner.
	All right.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Okay, cool.
	Hope that answers your question, Chef Dill Pickles.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll.
	Electrician.
	I need some electrical work done, so I'll talk to you after that.
	Maybe I'll give you a deal, you know?
	Thank you.
	Give me a deal.
	Thank you very much.
	We'll see how the show goes.
	A deal I can't refuse.
	She's still going to make 30% on you.
	Yeah.
	Going around the table once more.
	Oh, wait.
	Somebody.
	I am a living natural man.
	Okay, now that somebody find me the quote from that thing with the judge.
	Anyways, relationship status.
	If you're single, how long have you been single and longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	My longest relationship was my marriage, which was like nine years, ten years, something like that.
	And I'm single the last six months, but I just started briefly talking to somebody.
	Like we went on our first date already, so it was pretty cool.
	Like, self-suffice.
	So you said, sorry, single six months?
	Yeah.
	And you just, but you just started talking to somebody.
	Yeah, I just started talking to somebody.
	It went really cool.
	Okay.
	It was pretty cool.
	Longest relationship?
	Sorry, I'm not married.
	Like 10 years of my marriage.
	You were married?
	Yes.
	Only been married once?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Had two kids with my marriage.
	Two kids, one father?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Yes.
	Pause.
	Okay.
	And so 10-year, who initiated the divorce?
	We both kind of fell apart, but I was the one that said, like, it's not working out.
	So, you know, we tried after, like, to work it out and got therapy and stuff, but it just didn't work.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single right now.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	How long have you been single for?
	Five, five years?
	Five years.
	Yeah.
	Through your relationship?
	Was that the one that ended five years ago?
	That's right.
	Okay, who broke up with who?
	Yeah, I just ended it.
	It was me.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My longest relationship was four years, and I am single as of last week.
	Tragical.
	The four-year relationship?
	Was that the one that ended one week ago?
	No, that was like my high school sweetheart.
	Okay.
	So you were the relationship that ended one week ago.
	Can you give us some details on that?
	So I was, I literally like altered my whole world perspective for this mother.
	I just got out of a polycule, basically.
	It was my first like crack at this kind of situation.
	So for the panel and the viewers, explain what the polycule is.
	So basically, he asked me out when he already had a girlfriend.
	And then I had to like meet my sister wife and be friends with her.
	We weren't dating or anything, but yeah, it was interesting.
	New experiences.
	Yeah, the polycule dumped me.
	Because I, yeah, it's a long story.
	So how many people were in the polycule?
	Just two other people.
	It was you and two other men?
	No, so I was dating the guy.
	The guy also had a girlfriend.
	And then literally like we broke up because the guy got mad that I was like streaming with this.
	It's a long story, this other dude.
	But he was like jealous about me talking to someone else when he literally has a girlfriend and we're like polyamorous.
	So I'm kind of confused still, honestly.
	Like he was acting like I was cheating on him when so you were the he was dating her first, met you, and you were like the unicorn as they call it, I guess.
	No, we were like actually dating first.
	And the thing is both of them have been poly for like over two years at this point.
	And when I was like, well, I want to meet the other girl, who's like this mystery woman, you know?
	And it's going to take away like the boogeyman aspect of it, I felt like.
	Both of them had never introduced, like cross-pollinated their partners.
	I'm like, it just sounds like you're not really in a serious relationship then.
	It's not like a polycule.
	I'm like, if we're going to polycule, let's do it.
	Have you been in this kind of arrangement before?
	No.
	All of my relationships had been super like serious and long and boring up until that point.
	And monogamous?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, this was interesting.
	Dude, yeah.
	I know I was all ready to argue on behalf of non-traditional relationships, but.
	What do you mean?
	Just like the monogamy.
	This guy would always say things like that.
	He's like, oh, that's very monogamy-coded.
	Like, the way you're thinking, it's so toxic.
	And then literally, like, dumped me because I was streaming with this dude.
	It's insane.
	You were.
	Streaming with this dude.
	He's like, it's disrespectful because he was flirting with you.
	I'm like, he's like, you shouldn't stream with him anymore.
	I was like, wait, but we're polyamorous.
	I don't understand.
	Well, so was the expectation that he can see other people, but you can't.
	Was that?
	Basically, yes, but he didn't want to just say that.
	So he's just like, no, it's just the way you went about it that was disrespectful.
	I'm like, yeah.
	He's a very bad communicator.
	All right.
	Have you had rebounds?
	Not yet.
	This literally just happened.
	Yeah.
	Any guys in the picture currently?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am in a relationship.
	My longest relationship was five and a half years, six years.
	All right.
	How long have you been seeing the current guy?
	It's my oldest son's dad.
	So we've been in each other's lives for 10 years.
	Well, but you guys have been on and off, right?
	No, so we were together for a year and a half.
	I had my son.
	We split up.
	And then we kind of did our own things.
	And we just recently got back together.
	So.
	Okay.
	And you have how many kids?
	Four kids.
	How many fathers?
	Four fathers.
	Cool.
	Uh-huh.
	Wait.
	So four kids, four fathers.
	So go ahead.
	Get back into it, Brian.
	I just do the math on that.
	And still built like that.
	God damn.
	What?
	Okay.
	Are you bisexual?
	Because it looks like you have a fan over there.
	Are you guys bi or whatever?
	I just care.
	I was like, no.
	No, girls scare me, to be honest.
	I couldn't do it with a girl.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Wait, so okay, let's do timeline here.
	How old were you when you had your first kid?
	18.
	Second kid?
	21.
	Third kid?
	24?
	5.
	Fourth kid?
	26.
	Okay.
	So four kids, four different fathers.
	Were these guys, like any of them, one-night stands?
	No.
	My son's father, my two-year-old, we had been on and off for years, like hooking up on and off.
	And we were really, like, we were best friends.
	But when I got pregnant, he just kind of like dipped.
	I haven't talked to him since.
	So I would consider that one not a one-night stand, but I wasn't serious with him.
	Okay, all right.
	We have grid one here coming in with a message.
	Here we go.
	What?
	There it is.
	Grid one motorsports donated $2 million and one cent.
	Do not gloss over that he was a homeless dude living in a Hearscale.
	Also, you lost the debate on non-traditional relationships last week.
	Damn.
	Damn, grid.
	Oh, wait.
	The polycool guy or the four-year relationship guy?
	The four-year relationship guy was like high school.
	Who's the homeless student?
	The polycule guy.
	He's living in a hearse?
	He's also a stand-up comedian.
	He calls himself a homeless romantic.
	Nice.
	So he lives in a hearse, so you guys would be having sex.
	No, no, they'd come to my house.
	I have some self-respect.
	They would come to your house in a hearse that they're living in.
	You got some self-respect.
	You know, I'm just waiting for like they're going on tour for like their stand-up soon, you know.
	His girlfriend was alive, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay, just like you're saying.
	He's fucking transporting.
	Body in the hearse.
	His cheek, like both of us on each side of him.
	I'm like, my, damn.
	I made like my high school friends confused for nothing.
	Did you know prior to having intercourse with him that he was homeless?
	It's it's it's knowledge, but it's like a like temporary situation.
	Like he's no, but but I'm just he disclosed to you he was homeless, right?
	Yes, it's like it's like a struggling artist like choice thing.
	Right.
	So yeah, I know bad decisions.
	Such an O.
	So I feel like, you know.
	Connecticut O. Bare minimum.
	It's just like.
	Yeah.
	Don't be homeless.
	Oh God.
	They were really funny.
	That makes a difference.
	Was that actually a selling point to you?
	Like, I want to fuck him more because he's homeless?
	No, we were just like equally.
	Because there's some homeless people in town I could probably get you like linked up with.
	If that's your type.
	No, it's because I was like outside like streaming downtown and they were like outside their comedy club and they stopped me and they were like, they literally were like, when are we going to stream our first date?
	So I was like, okay.
	And we literally did like from first to last basically.
	Grid one.
	What did you grid one?
	Who did you send me?
	Wow.
	Okay, that's crazy.
	Well, congrats, I guess.
	Woo, free.
	I'm a free woman.
	Is that, I guess that's a congrats.
	Like, the relationship's over.
	It is, yeah.
	They're both.
	Or is it like sad?
	Are you sad that it's over?
	I really fucked with them.
	That's another thing.
	They're both they, thems.
	I've been like misgendering them both the entire time.
	But just for the sake of clarification, because I didn't want to be like them then.
	Oh, grid one, you misgendered.
	He was not.
	It was.
	No, I didn't even tell him.
	You don't, you know, sometimes.
	It's a they, grid one.
	It's like your dad, though.
	I'm not going to tell grid it's a they.
	I freaking just barely told.
	What are your pronouns?
	She, her.
	She, her.
	Yeah, this was like the gayest thing I'd like ever been a part of.
	Like, literally, not like in a bad way.
	Just because it's.
	Were they trans?
	They're both like non-binary.
	Wait, so.
	Comifornia.
	Okay, but was one of them?
	One was a male and one was a female, right?
	They didn't identify that way.
	So I.
	No, yeah, yeah.
	I get it.
	Gender, non-binary.
	I'm talking about sex.
	Male and female?
	Born.
	I think so.
	Born.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did one have a natural penis and the other a natural vagina?
	I assume I didn't scope the vagina, though.
	I thought you were in a polycule.
	Yeah, no, but that's what I'm saying.
	It's like, it wasn't even a polycule.
	I'm like, these people identify as polywind.
	It was really just a fucking thing.
	You didn't scope the.
	Okay.
	No, I didn't.
	Ades, didn't you?
	Want to be my friend, so it's okay.
	Okay.
	Thank you, grid one, for that revelation.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Going back to you, you're telling us about the two kids or four kids, sorry, four kids, four dads.
	Vermillion has a question.
	Why no birth control after the second kid?
	Okay, so I was actually, I'm going to explain this again.
	I was supposed to have my tubes tied.
	I chickened out, didn't get him tied.
	I went to go get him tied and found out I was pregnant.
	So I was like, okay, cool.
	I had my son.
	And then went to my doctor.
	His license had gotten pulled.
	So I had to find a new doctor and I went to go get my tubes tied and I was pregnant.
	What kind of doctor were you going to?
	Where his license got pulled.
	And are you happy with your children?
	I love my children.
	Yeah, better than everything.
	Type told a year after I had my daughter and I still didn't get pregnant.
	I just wait.
	I just hear me out.
	You just know I get it.
	My tubes are tied now.
	But a whole year.
	Awesome.
	It's crazy.
	Nice.
	Anybody else have their tubes tied?
	Just at the table?
	Two tubes tied.
	Double tube side.
	That's what I'm doing.
	They won't consider you until you're like tied up.
	That's how mine are.
	It's over.
	Over.
	Yes, I had a boy and a girl, so I had the perfect pair.
	All right.
	What about you?
	The longest relationship I've been in was nine years.
	My son's father.
	My son is four.
	He is autistic.
	He is the best little boy ever.
	I've been single for about eight months, just concentrating on my son and working.
	Santa Barbara's expensive.
	So, yeah.
	And are you currently single or seeing somebody?
	I'm single.
	How long have you been single for?
	About eight months.
	Eight months?
	Yeah, I just got out of a nine-year relationship.
	Oh, that's the one you're with the father of your son.
	Were you guys married?
	No.
	And then I was actually in a nine-year relationship before that with somebody else.
	So, yeah.
	Been with two people since I was 17.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	I'm 34.
	And then the most recent nine-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him, actually.
	Okay.
	And the other nine-year relationship who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him, too.
	Okay.
	But the most recent one, that's the one, the father of your kid.
	Yes.
	I had my son when I was 30.
	I'm 34.
	Okay.
	Does he pay you child support?
	What's the custody arrangement?
	He doesn't pay me child support, and he is nowhere to be found.
	So I'm no longer.
	Is he also homeless in a hearse?
	No.
	Oh.
	He might be homeless, but I have no idea where he is.
	He's in town somewhere.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	You don't have his number or he doesn't pick up?
	Nope.
	He doesn't have a phone.
	Are you working with?
	He's from LA, so he's, yeah, it's just different down there.
	He was a foster kid.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
	With the child support?
	Like, have you gone through the state to help with that or no?
	Yeah, he is actually supposed to be.
	They can't find him.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What was he doing for work, I guess, when you guys were dating?
	He was cleaning pools in Montecito.
	He had a good job.
	Yeah.
	Was it a surprise?
	Like, was it an intended pregnancy?
	It was a surprise, actually.
	The pandemic happened.
	I was on the birth control shot and obviously Plant Parenthood shut down.
	So you have sex and don't have your birth control shots not working anymore equals baby.
	So right.
	I never intended to become a mom, but it's amazing.
	It really is.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Call me.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I split up with my most recent boyfriend of a year six months ago.
	So, and that was who broke up with who?
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	I ended things with him.
	Unfortunately.
	And sorry, what were you going to say?
	I don't know what I was going to say.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	About three years.
	Who broke up with who?
	That was, I couldn't even tell you.
	We were so toxic, we were always breaking up with each other.
	Oh, yeah.
	What were you doing that was toxic?
	Just drinking and partying and fighting and both of you?
	Both of us, yeah.
	Okay.
	Drugs?
	I didn't do drugs.
	He did.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I noticed you have a tattoo.
	Is that Bob Marley?
	That is Bob Marley.
	Can you show it?
	Like, turn.
	We got Bob.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What's your favorite Bob Marley song?
	Stir It Up.
	Oh, okay.
	Would be my favorite.
	Stir It Up.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You've been single for six months.
	Any guys in the picture currently?
	No.
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	Have you had a rebound?
	No.
	No, guys.
	I went on, I did go on a couple of dates with the same person, but nothing came of it.
	Okay.
	Any guys in the picture for you?
	There's a couple who have asked, but I'm just not interested right now.
	You're not feeling it?
	No.
	It's a hot girl summer.
	Actually, yeah, I'm enjoying being single.
	Okay, there you go.
	Going to you, relationship status?
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was 13 years.
	All right.
	You guys were married, right?
	Okay.
	And you have one kid, two kids?
	Two.
	Two.
	From the same guy?
	Nope.
	Oh, okay.
	Two kids, two separate fathers, is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Let's do a quick timeline.
	How old were you when you had your first kid?
	I was 22, and that was part of a five-year relationship.
	Okay.
	And then how old were you when you had your second kid?
	33.
	Okay, so they're about 10 years apart.
	So your oldest is like 20?
	22.
	22.
	Okay.
	23.
	Adult.
	Daughter, son?
	My oldest is a son.
	Okay.
	And then my daughter's sister.
	She was my youngest.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And sorry, your youngest is.
	I don't think he'd agree with what we talk about, Henry.
	You said your other kid, son, daughter?
	My daughter is 11.
	Gotcha, 12.
	And how long have you been single?
	A month.
	One month.
	And how long was that relationship that ended?
	A year.
	Who broke up with who?
	I ended it.
	Okay, and then the 13-year relationship, the marriage, did you initiate the divorce?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Any reason?
	What was the reason sided in the divorce?
	Well, we actually haven't done the paperwork, to be fair.
	Oh, you're separated now?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But is he a secured party?
	No.
	No, no.
	Would you date a sovereign citizen?
	Would I date a sovereign citizen?
	Yeah, like, would you date a sove sit?
	Sovereign citizen.
	Not most of the ones that are out there know.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	Like the Scottish.
	My head isn't even that far.
	Okay.
	Just checking.
	Because I feel like there might be some in the chat who might be like, she's the one.
	So, okay.
	Single for one month, 13-year.
	Does your ex.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay, so you have one adult kid.
	Were you being paid child support for the first child?
	The first one, yes.
	Second child, are you being paid child support?
	No.
	Okay.
	Any reason why?
	Just not looking to.
	We share our daughter 50% of the time each.
	It's shared care.
	And I wouldn't ask for that.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Were you paid alimony during the course after your marriage?
	Nope.
	Oh, well, you're not technically fully divorced yet.
	Right, but even if I had been, I wouldn't have asked for that.
	Gotcha.
	Thank you.
	Owners, thank you for the gifted 10.
	All right, what about you?
	I'm single right now.
	I've been single for about six months, and longest relationship is four years.
	Two relationships that were four years.
	Okay, and the six-month relate or then the relationship that ended six months ago, that was a four-year relationship.
	Correct.
	One of them.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was kind of mutual, but I guess you could say I broke up with them.
	And then the other four-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with them.
	Okay, all right.
	Do you ever disclose your situation or just do you want to relate to us or is just we're disclosing?
	I don't disclose my relationship status on stream, but I'm a virgin and no.
	I don't believe that, yeah.
	I have never enjoyed the company of a woman ever.
	Is that the war?
	Is that true?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But no.
	But sort of.
	But no.
	Hey, you know, look, I got death threats.
	I got haters.
	I just keep certain things private, but I appreciate the curiosity.
	Okay, so let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	got quite a lot to talk about today uh i think where do i want to any kids You got kids?
	No.
	No kids?
	All right.
	A dog.
	And she's got a dog.
	All right.
	So, okay, why don't we just jump right in?
	Hmm, let's see.
	Where do I want to start?
	Whose notes first?
	Whose notes first?
	Why don't I just say this then while I'm looking?
	Anybody have any disagreements with me?
	And then we'll start there.
	I don't have any disagreements with you, but I really wish Andrew was on the chat.
	Okay, what do you disagree with Andrew on?
	And maybe I can.
	I think it's crazy the fact that he attacked me last time when his wife technically has three baby daddies.
	Does she?
	Oh, she's married.
	I think it's only two.
	I thought, wait, she has two baby daddies and then I think a kid with Andrew.
	I thought she just had children from one other person and she's married to Andrew.
	It's two previous marriages, but one left and the other one died or something.
	I think that's a running joke that I just picked up on recently, right?
	He also has a black wife.
	Yes.
	I just think it's crazy.
	The judgment's crazy.
	Rachel's black.
	Very progressive.
	Very, yeah.
	Anyways, so what's the into the mic?
	The conversation about like being a simp and who would want me and X, Y, and Z, but I don't know.
	So what's the argument?
	I just don't think he has a right to look down on me when he's technically in the same situation.
	Is he though?
	Is he minus like the dancing and all of that?
	Wait, hold on.
	Well, so look, I don't commit to memory discussions from previous shows, but so you're saying he had issues with your involvement in sex work.
	He's not a sex worker.
	What would he do?
	No, the whole having multiple baby daddies is he wants to look down on me and but yet his wife also has multiple baby daddies.
	She's not an S worker though.
	That's not what I'm talking about.
	I'm talking about just yeah, but his criticisms were varied.
	Some of them were directed at how many baby daddies I have.
	Okay, but so I could be wrong.
	I thought Rachel just had she had previous kids from a previous marriage.
	From what I maybe anybody in the chat, is it I'm pretty sure it's two.
	Sorry, two total.
	So Andrew and then a previous marriage.
	I'm just saying it's.
	Right, Chad?
	Is it two?
	I don't know.
	In any case, that's different than four.
	I understand that, but as a Christian, aren't you not supposed to judge people, especially when your wife is doing the same thing?
	Well, she's shaking her head.
	Do you not have any issues with having four baby daddies?
	I'm not, I did it.
	I'm not happy about it, but I have my kids, and I can't undo it.
	I wish I was more safe.
	I wish I had better judgment, but I don't look down on people because it is easy to fall into.
	It is easy for it to happen.
	So, like, I don't like that I have four baby daddies, but it is what it is, and I don't look down on other people for their situations.
	Well, what, okay, so what specifically did Andrew say?
	I don't remember.
	He was talking about me what specifically Andrew said.
	I have to re-watch it, but he got on me about it.
	Okay, but you would agree that his situation is far different than your situation.
	Yeah, but as a Christian, you're not supposed to be judgmental like that.
	So, you brought up the crime.
	God doesn't judge.
	That's my thing.
	Wait, I think Christians can righteously judge.
	That's my understanding of Christianity.
	I haven't seen very much of him, but what do you define as looking down on?
	Because, like, let's say I have a disagreement with something that somebody does.
	Does that mean that I'm looking down on them?
	For some of the stuff that he said, it's just it was very judgmental.
	It wasn't.
	What did he say?
	I don't know, Brian.
	I have to go rewatch it.
	Well, I can't.
	I mean, look, if you can't provide, and it doesn't need to be like a verbatim quote, but just a general sense of what he said, then I can't really looking down on the fact that I have four baby daddies, which I get, but as a Christian, you're this righteous Christian, and your wife, she's not traditional.
	She wasn't traditional.
	She has another Orthodox Christian.
	They're both super traditional.
	They're both super traditional.
	It's not traditional to have another kid outside of that marriage.
	Why was she not a rich dad?
	I don't think it's against Christianity to be a stepfather.
	That's okay.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Yeah, but your criticisms, I don't see the issue, actually.
	I think she's just saying Christianity is about forgiveness somehow, right?
	In a way, you're not supposed to be able to do it.
	There's parts of it on other people.
	I think that's a common misnomer, though, whether it's Christianity or just scripture in general.
	It's a misnomer that we're not supposed to judge when, in fact, we are, and that's how we hold each other accountable.
	It doesn't have to be in a negative way, right?
	But this is how we make our decisions as we move about in life, is by judgment, right?
	I do understand what you're saying, though, in terms of coming down on you.
	But so who would be allowed to judge you then?
	Like somebody who's been chaste their entire life and is a virgin?
	I'm not saying that everyone's going to judge me regardless, but it's you want to sit there and speak on faith and X, Y, and Z, but then you criticize and put me down as another person.
	I don't think it's, I don't think it's the right way to go about it.
	Like you said, like, yeah, of course, everybody judges, but there's a certain way to go about it.
	Then.
	Yeah, what did he say, though?
	I don't remember, Brian.
	I just said that.
	Well, you can't just be like, okay, I have a disagreement and Andrew hurt my feelings, but I don't even, I can't even articulate an approximation of what he said.
	I think I already said what I needed to say.
	Okay, fine.
	He was vaguely judging you.
	He was vaguely judging you about your four baby daddies, four kids.
	I thought he was coming, again, I don't remember anything from previous shows.
	But if I, I think it was about he was coming down mostly hard on you when it related to the sex work.
	Yeah, that, yeah.
	Yeah, but he's not a sex worker, so why would that?
	I didn't say that was my issue with him.
	I said my issue was the four baby daddies.
	Yeah, of course he's not a sex worker.
	If he wants to judge me on that, cool.
	Because yeah, so let's assume he wasn't a stepfather.
	Would you be okay with his criticism then?
	I think so.
	Okay, so just because it's not the stepfather thing, I think it's you're okay with one person person doing it because you're in love with her XYZ, but when you see another person doing it, you're looking down upon that person.
	I don't think that's fair.
	It's different when you're married.
	When you're married and then something happens in that relationship or that person dies, you get to find somebody else and get remarried.
	I understand that.
	But don't you think it like, okay, let's say, yes, Rachel had previous kids with one other partner who at the time happened to be her husband.
	They're divorced.
	There is a difference of between that, four kids, four fathers, all out of wedlock.
	See, from what I thought it was, from what I heard, I listened to her on something.
	And I misunderstood then because I thought it was two and then one with Andrew.
	So that was my bad on misunderstanding.
	Oh, well, I mean, there's a lot of disinformation related to Rachel, related to Andrew.
	I would have to, me personally, I don't actually know the exact intel on it, but what I can tell you is there's a bunch of misinformation.
	There's people out there who are trying to slander Andrew, slander Rachel.
	She was talking on something.
	They say Andrew has a black wife.
	Who's Andrew?
	And I thought she was a woman.
	Not that there's a black wife, by the way.
	That's crazy.
	Hold on, not that there's anything wrong.
	He said he was slandering them.
	Stop, stop.
	Not that there's anything wrong with having a black wife, but there's all kinds of disinformation.
	I've heard something the other day that accused Rachel falsely of that she was an ex, one of these people, one of these people on Twitter was saying she was like an ex-adult content creator.
	Furthest thing from the truth.
	She's not been involved in any sort of S work.
	So there's a lot of misinformation related to Andrew, Rachel, their relationship.
	I don't know the specific details.
	He's not here, but that's what I can tell you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	Okay.
	Any other disagreements from anybody on anything?
	I have it in my pre-show notes, but I wanted to prompt you guys.
	No.
	Gun once?
	Gun times.
	Three times.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Here, why don't we start with, we're going to go to our secured party creditor, Julie.
	Julie, you said you think with five eyes, it potentially is narrowing the pool of women who men will date.
	I think you're talking about the show.
	At least men who enjoy the show.
	Aren't we looking at a huge number of people not dating, having sex now?
	Studies are showing and predicting terrible outcomes.
	My concern pertains to continuing humanity.
	So do you want to clarify on that?
	Yeah, so I actually agree with pretty much everything that gets discussed on the show.
	And that actually brought up a question for me.
	So I don't know if you have, like when you started the show, if you have an agenda in terms of what you, like what audience you hope to reach or what things you hope to change.
	But my perspective from having watched many, many shows was, or for a while, was that it was kind of getting women to see the nature of their ways and how it's not ideal for them.
	And I think it's moving people towards a good ideal.
	But then after listening to one of your former guests on the debate, I listened to another podcast the other day and it was just talking about, you know, like that we're seeing such a decrease in the number of people dating, obviously a decrease in the number of children being born, so on and so forth.
	People are not even having sex anymore, things like that.
	So one of the things that that guest had pointed out was that it's getting men to hate women.
	And I kind of see where he could be correct in some ways.
	And so I just, I mean, I feel like I think it's fine for to kind of shape women to be a particular way, and not everyone may agree with me on that, because I think it's what's best.
	I think order is best, and it exists for a reason.
	But I do think it might be affecting the dating situation, people having sex, people procreating.
	The show?
	Maybe.
	Okay, yeah, I mean, I would approach this a couple different ways.
	The first thing I would say is that while the podcast is successful, I wouldn't say that its reach is particularly mainstream.
	You know, I think there's what, five, six thousand people watching at the moment.
	I don't really think that that is a substantial subset of the dating marketplace.
	I mean, it accounts for probably a very small amount of people.
	Of course, you would maybe argue, well, the clips, like they have further reach, and I would agree.
	But I don't think, for example, as compared to a podcast like Color Daddy, which is consumed by a massive demographic of women between the ages of like 18 or even younger than that, actually, and 30, 34.
	Primarily in the United States, the whatever audience has a much more global reach.
	I would say that Color Daddy has a far more damaging effect insofar as it's a the host, what's her name, Alex or whatever?
	Yeah, Alex Cooper, I think.
	She's like a massive proponent of promiscuity and does not have very good prescriptions for like what how young women should date.
	But so my first counter would just be: okay, my podcast does not have such a substantial reach that it would like have some sort of impact on the birth rate.
	But to actually address your argument of, okay, well, it's making men hateful, I would just ask you, what specific topics or what specific things have I said that would be making men like hateful?
	What's the rhetoric that I'm espousing?
	That, well, it's her thing.
	Okay, holy.
	Well, I guess it's not a major issue that I have, but I've probably watched over 40 or listened to 40 episodes.
	So when I'm listening, I'll just jot down notes.
	So it's not like a major gripe or anything.
	It's just a comment, especially knowing that I might come on the show.
	So yeah, I definitely have acknowledged that the audience is not so large, that there's obviously other issues at hand.
	And I was hearing more information elsewhere that we're looking at.
	Obviously, social media, pornography, COVID, all of these things have contributed to the decrease in these areas.
	But it was more so just a side note.
	It's not a side note for me to just point out that I don't think my audience is exceptionally large.
	Yes, there's robust YouTube analytics.
	But to my question, what specific things have I espoused that you would point to as it relates to men starting to hate women?
	Like, what am I advocating for on the podcast that would make men hate women?
	Actually, probably nothing that you've said.
	I think more so when we, when like when Andrew's here and I love Andrew, and I, like I said, I agree with the hate women.
	I don't like being put on the spot.
	I guess just looking at removing, I don't know, maybe hate is not the right word.
	Did I say hate in my well, not, it doesn't look like in your pre-show notes, but just right now in person, you did mention that my viewership, some of them might start hating women.
	So I guess just in terms, sorry, in terms of looking at the dating pool, right?
	So if women have body count, which I'm totally in agreement with preferring a small body count, but I think it's just excluding women in general.
	And I think a lot of times, because I think it myself too, with the conversation, sometimes I'm sitting here going, she's a freaking idiot.
	And I'm thinking these things, so I'm thinking there might be a lot of men thinking the same thing as well.
	So I don't know.
	Maybe I misspoke.
	But so if a woman comes on the podcast and says something problematic or stupid or whatever, I don't think that that would be evidence of something that I'm doing.
	Like if a girl comes on here and says that she's, I don't know, a murderer or something, I don't know.
	I think it'd be fair justification for people to probably hate her.
	But so I guess what am I doing?
	What am I espousing?
	Hold on, she gets to go first, but then you can weigh in.
	Okay.
	What am I espousing that would lead men to hate women?
	I'm just again, I'm not looking, I'm not trying to do a gotcha where I need like a specific verbatim quote.
	I'm just looking for a sense of what you think I'm saying or doing that would lead men to hate women.
	No, and to be fair, I don't think there is anything that you're doing.
	Perhaps that was not the best comment.
	You wanted to weigh in?
	I don't know.
	I just wanted to point, I don't know too much about Andrew.
	I don't know.
	I think it's the, is it the Prague or you person?
	No, no.
	Well, okay, I don't know who that is, but just the nature of the presentation of those two sex dolls back there would lead some men to have a certain reaction to this.
	That seems a little infantilizing to let women speak.
	Like, okay, if someone makes an ass out of themselves, then it's, oh, God, like you, you collectively give them a place to speak and they said stupid things.
	It's like, that's a little infantilizing.
	So I'm happy to explore that, but it seemed like when I was saying, what do I do or what do I say in terms of, you know, what do I espouse that would lead men to hate women?
	I just want to be clear.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	The first thing you cited to was the presence of mannequins.
	The inherent presentation of this on the screen.
	On the screen.
	Yeah, the way you're displaying the women and sex dolls behind you.
	Well, can you, can you, wait, the way I'm displaying the mannequins?
	They're not mannequins.
	Sure, okay, fine.
	Yeah, they're sex dolls.
	They have clothes on.
	But hold on.
	But so what is the way in which I'm displaying them, aside from their presence, that you find objectionable?
	No, I'm just saying if you look at what a symbol is, that's a symbol back there.
	Right?
	What evidence?
	Hold on, what do you mean by that?
	Well, you bring on women to the show.
	That is true.
	And behind them, you put two sex dolls.
	It's okay.
	If it's not self-evident, then I won't explain it.
	No, no, no.
	Attempt to explain it because it isn't self-evident, so you'll have to explain it.
	Well, one has her tongue out.
	Yeah, that's called the hey go.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, there's symbolic.
	There's certain, you know, people read images, right?
	People look at an image and something comes to their mind.
	I agree with that.
	So if you look at this image, you see women sitting in a circle with you.
	Yeah, that's, yep.
	I'm on.
	And then directly behind.
	What's it's okay?
	It doesn't matter.
	Yeah, but so I agree with your observation.
	Your observation is correct that there are the dolls in the studio and there are women in the studio.
	What's the inference?
	It's an image that infers that women, you know, are plastic disposable sort of and for sex.
	Disposable and for sex.
	So how do you arrive at that conclusion?
	I don't know.
	It's not that difficult.
	I mean, I could do.
	So you're just creating a, you're creating, well, it's not that difficult.
	Explain it.
	To read an image?
	Everyone reads images.
	Straighten up with the mic.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	So to read an image.
	Okay, so it's an objective truth that because I have those dolls in the studio, that that is misogyny or whatever.
	Well, okay.
	If you watch a movie, right?
	And Quentin's here and you watch Kill Bill, right?
	Okay.
	You're reading those images from Kill Bill different ways, and that's what the director does is he puts things in the frame of the film, right?
	To make you infer certain things in the frame.
	Right.
	Well.
	Okay, so I agree with you that they're in, they're there.
	Yeah.
	How do you arrive at the conclusion that it's some sort of like misogyny?
	Well, I don't know what is the purpose of them.
	But you made the claim.
	You made the claim.
	I don't need to explain why they're there.
	Well, what's the intention of them?
	Well, hold on.
	Well, but you've already come to the conclusion, so I'm trying to figure out how you establish that.
	I'm not going to make the argument for you.
	You're going to have to provide.
	I already said what it is.
	No, but you've just said, okay, well, there's palm trees here.
	You're equating women with sex dolls.
	There's an equation.
	What's that conclusion?
	Well, why are they there?
	Why?
	Okay, why would that?
	I'm failing to see how that equates.
	No, I just want to know what your intention is putting them there.
	No, but you, it's not that you want to know.
	You've already come to a determination.
	Well, that was my interpretation of what they represent.
	That's mine, right?
	But I want to know what your intention was so that I know that maybe I have the wrong interpretation.
	So I'm happy to dive into it, but I just want to be clear.
	So when I ask, what is something that I espouse or something that I do that would make men hate women?
	And the first thing, the first, you know, typically oftentimes when people are going to provide some evidence for a claim, it's going to be the strongest evidence first.
	So just to be clear, the first evidence you're going to provide is that there happens to be sex dolls in the studio.
	Yes, that's my interpretation of what they mean.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Would it be offensive if they were males?
	And would this be like hatred?
	Would I be espousing hatred towards men if those sex dolls happen to be men?
	Well, they're not, though, are they?
	But would that be an entailment of your logic?
	If you had male sex dolls there.
	What about them being there?
	Is going to get an answer.
	Hate a woman.
	No, just that.
	Like when you look at a picture, right?
	You get an immediate feeling, an emotion.
	We're going to talk about feelings.
	What about looking at this response?
	Immediately hate the feminism.
	Are you a feminist?
	Yeah, sure.
	She's a feminist film.
	It doesn't matter.
	But so if they were male sex dolls, would that be evidence of my comedic if they were male?
	You'd be doing it as a joke.
	But it's oppressive because they're female.
	No, maybe it's a joke.
	How do you know their gender?
	What if their gender is non-approved?
	Okay, they're non-binary sex dolls.
	Are they even in your brain?
	They're not, they don't have a gender.
	They're plastic.
	So it's fine.
	To me, sex didn't even come up.
	I saw all the other problems.
	But it's about rhetoric.
	Wait, but I also behind me, I have like Spartan, like male Spartan.
	Well, those are symbols of strength.
	It's about like the message coming out of it, right?
	So like that's the rhetoric.
	That's the problem, isn't it?
	Right, so like.
	Proud Roman heritage, strength.
	Understanding why it's so offensive.
	Conquering armies.
	I don't understand why it's so offensive with it being women, but you know.
	It's not offensive.
	I'm not offended.
	I'm just pointing out the way people read a certain like.
	They look at guys and they find it'd be funny if it was guys.
	That makes no sense.
	No, but they're not guys though, are they?
	If they were guys, then it would be funny, and it's funny because they're women.
	It's funny perspective on why he never answered, why he put them there, because I was asking the description it is.
	It is.
	I'll give you a couple.
	I'll give you a couple answers.
	So the first answer is, I had a couple different companies there's two separate companies who reached out to me okay, offered to provide them for free.
	The second thing, hold on.
	The second thing was, uh, this was very early.
	When we started, back in july of 2022, I was yeah guys, be quiet please.
	Uh, this was in july of.
	Uh, when I first started the podcast, july 2022, I was like, you know what, if we ever have no shows or anything, and I want to make it look like we have a full table well okay, and you can look at some older episodes where we did have flakes and we will bring up one of the dolls, so it as like kind of a jokey thing.
	It's like oh, we have a full table here.
	So that's one of the reasons.
	I misinterpreted it, that's one of the reasons.
	And and then I also used to do a gambit or bit where one of them was actually my co-host.
	So really I think this is actually elevating women because I granted a like a fe, I granted like a, an inanimate object, my co-host status and I did that to a female sex doll, not a male sex doll.
	So actually I think that points to my sexism towards men, not towards women, and also the fact that they're both women.
	I think that would point towards this sort of the fact that they're not men shows like a lack of inclusivity towards male sex dolls.
	And put a male sex doll there?
	No, but I'm actually.
	Are there male sex dolls?
	No, I think my audience is going to completely turn against me because it actually shows a lack of inclusivity towards male sex dolls, pointing towards my sexism.
	The fact that there's no male sex dolls actually is just really I'm a sexist towards men.
	So you can change your ways and put a male sex doll, but I could just do the this narrative spin framing of the reason they're there is because like, I think women are so wonderful that I only have female sex dolls.
	Like we should just do narrative spin okay sure, and then he f's them when he's talking about chastity's intact okay, I'll take.
	I'll take your version of it, but like I don't understand.
	So um, that was just my interpretation.
	Wait, what about the like difference we should talk into, like the discrepancy between male and female?
	Like that doesn't make any sense to me.
	Like why, what?
	What is the articulation that would make the delineation work?
	Wait, I know it's hold on.
	Just they're plastic sex dolls and then fuck that.
	I am so sorry, guys.
	My streamlabs got bugged so these came in a while ago.
	Grid one, I'm so sorry I did not see these.
	We'll get if you have.
	If you want to wrap up on it, we can.
	I'm gonna let these chats come through.
	Grid one, I'm super sorry that I just missed these.
	I was so caught up um defending my female sex dolls.
	I apologize, but I'm gonna attacking your inanimate objects.
	grid one motorsports donated $200 and okay so maybe I was wrong Rachel had two long-term relationships that did result in children without marriage Andrew married her and had children he and Rachel came to Christ and the church and the is the difference okay all right grid one thank you so much man cheers to you I apologize for the delay on these
	thank you though thank you thank you grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars and one cent the piece you are is our missing is you have no remorse and have not changed you are still a sex worker you have not come to Christ and need to evaluate your lifestyle choices be better I'm actually no longer a sex worker.
	So, W?
	Nice.
	A couple more chats coming through.
	Chef Dill Pickles.
	Also, I apologize for the delay on this.
	Chef Dill Pickles donated $200.
	Care 2 is out of breath just talking about how she failed a Rawshick test that she made up in her mind.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Was that directed?
	Chair 2.
	You're chair two, yeah.
	Oh, I'm chair two.
	Yeah, chair one, chair two, hi.
	I, well, that's what anyone who makes films, you know, they intentionally put things in the frame, and that's what I was interpreting.
	Yeah, but I'm not exactly like scorsese over here.
	You are making something, right?
	No.
	Well, then you're just putting it there without thinking about it.
	I've been looking for the dog whistles.
	Yeah, it's.
	I mean, hold on, just to be clear, wait, can you reach behind you and lift up that picture of a shirtless man?
	Oh, you know, it's weird.
	I didn't hear you.
	I missed it.
	I did not hear you.
	You know, this is, I'm objectifying this man here.
	I'm surprised there wasn't any commentary about the fact that I have a picture of a shirtless man.
	He's not visible in frame.
	Is he visible?
	Sometimes he is.
	I don't know.
	Sometimes he is.
	Yeah, they're not really visible, but I think it's interesting.
	You know, you focus on the sex dolls for fully clothes, by the way.
	Here I have a picture of a shirtless man.
	I also have a black man also in the studio.
	That's great.
	Patrice is great.
	A lot of objectification going on.
	I get it.
	There wasn't as much.
	I put more intention there than there was.
	It's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	No.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, some more chats, guys.
	Grid one.
	I appreciate your patience, man.
	Sorry again about that.
	Dave Richards.
	Child support is such a scam.
	You should have Jeff Younger on, and he explains, I'll read Rachel's in a sec.
	Explains how these females weaponize the courts to bankrupt men.
	It's disgusting, especially if the father is a willing father.
	Yeah, pop out support is a scam.
	Pop out a child get $500 a month.
	You know what, guys?
	You know what I want to do?
	You know what?
	I need to start a men's rights organization.
	And if anybody wants to volunteer, then like legitimate organization, non-profit.
	How many non-profits?
	Big labia, non-profit?
	I know.
	It's a lot.
	What I need, what I need is any attorneys who are willing to do pro bono stuff.
	And we'll do men's rights litigation.
	Free work.
	So we'll do child support reform.
	We're going to do try to ban circumcision.
	And we're going to try what's the other one?
	Like child custody reform, alimony reform.
	There's another one I wanted to do.
	Oh, there's actually something that we could pursue currently with some of these.
	Are we dating?
	Actually, I don't want to show my cards yet on that.
	If there's any attorneys who want to do a little pro bono work, I have some ideas.
	So get in touch.
	Okay.
	We have, thank you for that message, though, Dave Richards.
	Well, put men can see the obvious misandry on TikTok.
	Feminists think you are man-hating is only seen by their women.
	Delusional, you are the reason men reject you.
	Sex workers and feminists equal red flag.
	From yeah.
	No response.
	Okay.
	Was that a question?
	What was the question?
	Typically, you like bounce off.
	Oh, for millions says false accusations also.
	Like, oh, Title IX stuff, like in universities where these guys just get railroaded by kangaroo courts in the universities.
	Yeah.
	We have, let's see.
	Oh, we have something from Rachel.
	I'll just pull that up.
	I was married before, never promiscuous, never cheated.
	I have a brain in my head and I'm a good wife and mother, not a hypocrite.
	Totally different.
	Do you want to respond to Rachel since she's in the chat?
	That's great for you, Rachel, but I don't know.
	I would say Richard Harris.
	Your smoke is mostly with Andrew's.
	That's won't.
	No, she's right here.
	Say what you have to say.
	It wasn't so much to Rachel.
	It was crazy that Rachel wanted to chime in and try to give me a diagnosis and say I was a liar about my daughter and everything.
	That was wild.
	But I don't know.
	You're a good wife and a mother.
	You're not a good person.
	She's a great person.
	Call in.
	No.
	Womp, womp.
	Okay, all right.
	There you go.
	Cool.
	Good times.
	Anyways, let's see if there's.
	Was there anything else?
	Did you want to continue?
	Like, finish off a call?
	You were like raising your hand when I was asking.
	Not recently.
	Oh, okay.
	Can I ask, are you, since you're a feminist?
	I study it.
	Yeah, sure.
	Why are you so hesitant to just accept the I don't know to accept what?
	Feminism?
	Yeah.
	Like, aren't you studying feminists?
	I am, but I go back and forth on things.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's why we lost the election.
	Are you a like, are you a misandrist?
	No.
	I just have higher expectations of people in general.
	Oh.
	Men and women.
	Have I.
	No, I mean, I just.
	I think, yes, I'm a feminist.
	Sure, I'm a feminist.
	And the fact that it's at this point don't want to be feminists means it's a dirty word.
	So that's not a great thing.
	But, you know.
	I feel like feminists are so judgmental and they women are at fault.
	And I feel like feminists have a hard time.
	Yes, we're responsible for everything.
	Not everything.
	You're both wrong.
	It's ridiculous that you guys.
	Women are people in the wrong.
	You guys have no ownership on anything.
	I got to spoil it.
	You guys.
	Wait, on what?
	What am I having ownership on?
	No, like women refuse.
	Like, feminists refuse to have ownership on anything.
	It's always the guy's fault.
	It's always no accountability.
	Well, that I disagree with.
	I also don't think that women should not take responsibility for what they do.
	That's not part of what I think.
	But you already showed it when those were.
	I was just interpreting a sex dolls being behind us.
	Yeah, but that wasn't okay.
	But if they were guys, it'd be fine.
	Like, that right there is.
	No, it wouldn't be fine either, but they're not guys.
	But that's what you said.
	You literally did say we're female.
	It would be as a joke because a male sex doll is a joke.
	A female sex doll is a reality.
	But what's the difference?
	Males.
	Because men, for other men generally.
	It doesn't matter.
	Like, they're still doing it.
	Well, men are the main clients.
	It's funny to make fun of guys or to have to objectify men, but when it comes to women, oh my god, it's the end of the world.
	Well, I would think that.
	That's what feminism is, and that's great.
	No one's objectifying men.
	If it was men, it would be what did you say?
	But it would be.
	But if it was, that's a hypothetical, you know.
	But it was humorous if it was men, right?
	Because, yes, the reason it would be funny is because when men are naked, it's a joke.
	It's not, because that's the way everything's organized.
	And that's how society is because women make it out.
	It's so funny when men are objectified, but God forbid it's women.
	I would say it's just because there's like a discrepancy.
	Like, I feel like most people don't feel like there's a gender discrepancy.
	By the way, I agree with you on most of what you were saying.
	I don't think you should have been judged on anything you've done in your life so far.
	Everyone should give each other grace on how they've lived their life.
	And the fact that Andrew or whoever, I don't know who that was, was judging you on doing what you did.
	What is it?
	What am I supposed to call it?
	Sex work?
	Sex work?
	Sex work.
	Okay, the fact that he judged you for it, I think that's a chauvinist position.
	So I agree with you there.
	I'm not against you.
	No, and I appreciate it.
	I'm not against you either, but I am against your.
	I'm just pointing out that you can be critical of things sometimes.
	It's okay.
	You know, not everything is right.
	Not everything is great, right?
	Life isn't perfect.
	So you can criticize some aspects of life.
	So if you're a feminist, right?
	Yeah.
	What are you fighting for?
	Well, I'm not really.
	I'm just pointing things out that irk me sometimes.
	Okay.
	I'm not f I mean, what am I fighting for?
	We should define feminism.
	I just don't like when women are disrespected by men.
	That's all.
	That's not a big thing.
	I don't disrespect meant all the time.
	I think women are literally a lot of people.
	I don't think women will disrespect people.
	A woman is more likely to get away with hitting a man.
	Everyone.
	Everyone does everything.
	I'm not saying women are perfect angels and men are bad.
	I'm saying that there's a, sorry?
	I would consider that one of the pitfalls of feminism is that it's like it deviates you from the left because it's not equal opportunity.
	You're like literally treating people differently based on their sex.
	All I was trying to point out with him was that he's trying to present women in a certain way that's not nice.
	That's all.
	I just think women present themselves the way they want to be presented, whether in public or in doors.
	That's fine.
	But he was doing it.
	We're not doing it.
	He was doing it.
	What is the shit to be like kind of inflammatory, engage in these conversations, like bring in differing viewpoints, you know?
	So I'm like, as long as you're like prepared for.
	I thought it was like huge haha.
	I just think feelings and interpretations aren't good enough.
	Like you need something in reality to this is the issue.
	I think in this country more or less men and women have equality.
	I don't think there's anything, but in other places you can certainly fight for things.
	But here mostly it's fine.
	I'm not really saying there's issues, major issues legally or in any other way in this country.
	But this is just one country.
	There's other places.
	I guess I'd be curious, like what theme, like what do you think that this podcast does to show women in a bad light?
	Like do you think just because he brings like different people?
	Women, he's trying to show women that we're not as intelligent as men and how we're not as I understand how by equating us with plastic.
	Okay, so we're back to the sex tells us any other?
	Yeah, you can.
	Oh, sorry.
	No, actually, something that I'm realizing that I kind of posed to the show, it's actually not the show, right?
	It's women themselves who are giving themselves a bad name, right?
	That's what I see more often than.
	Women can blame themselves.
	We're good at blaming ourselves.
	I'm saying.
	I'm talking about our behavior when we talk about, you know, ours.
	We're just.
	Some of our thought processes are just out the window and kind of delusional, right?
	So I don't think it's actually the show.
	It's us, you know, as our, excuse me, ourselves who are making it seem that way.
	I don't know, why are we, I have a question.
	He's wearing sneakers, right?
	Why are we not wearing our shoes?
	It's his place.
	Sexism.
	Sexism is a vibrant thing.
	No, I don't know.
	I wanted to keep my shoes on.
	It's your place.
	All right, sure.
	It's a respectful thing.
	Fine, fine.
	It's kind of common for people to ask you to take off your shoes.
	No, I understand in someone's house, but this is what is this?
	This is a studio, right?
	The ass on these computers were sexist.
	Yeah, it's a studio, but it's not a message.
	No, I know.
	It's fine.
	It's hard to watch the carpets, that's why.
	Oh, okay, good.
	Well, that's, I thought that was, that was my second guess.
	That was my second guess.
	It's in the notes.
	I, listen, live and let live, right?
	But he was pressing you.
	He was pressing each of us for our entire sexual and relationship history, and he wouldn't say what his was.
	It's the point of the show.
	It's the whole history.
	No, I get it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's the point of the show.
	That's what I'm exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Sexual history.
	He was asking how many kids do you have?
	I guess what else besides the sex dolls are like the dog dolls?
	He literally asked what I offer a guy.
	One out of time, please.
	This is dating talk.
	We're talking about dating.
	So, why doesn't he participate?
	He doesn't have to.
	I agree, he doesn't have to, but there's a reason he doesn't.
	I think we all come onto the show knowing what to expect.
	He is the host, so it's like he does want to hear from us versus like if he wanted a podcast where he just sits there and talks, he would do that.
	He wouldn't have to.
	But he's mostly taught, like, now we're talking, but beforehand, he was telling people to be quiet.
	He's talking.
	It's funny.
	He's the host.
	Exactly.
	He runs it the way he can run it.
	And that's, I'm not criticizing that.
	I'm just.
	Imagine if he answered his own point of view.
	I was just pointing out that if everyone's perfectly happy with how they're treated through their life, then that's up to them.
	I have my own point of view, you know?
	What do you mean?
	So, do you think you have like a disqualification because you're a woman?
	Like, do you think you have a disadvantage because you're a woman?
	No, I don't think I have a disadvantage.
	I think when I talk, I have less validity.
	When he talks, he has more validity.
	He's the host.
	Yeah, in his studio.
	This is like a very specific example.
	I don't know.
	Okay, what if outside of this example?
	Outside of this example, right?
	In another context.
	In real life, yes.
	In real life, when men speak, they have authority generally.
	When women speak, they have less question, etc., etc.
	I think government.
	They're all right now.
	Why do you think that's a good idea?
	And they're judged on the basis of the way they dress and how they behave.
	I think we all joined your human rights organizations.
	And if men would have sex with them or not.
	Men who are in politics aren't generally judged by it.
	It sounds like a confidence issue because when I speak in public, I don't think that.
	I don't feel that way.
	I know.
	I feel like we're gendering a lot of things for no reason.
	Personally.
	I'd be judged by everything.
	Men gender things as well.
	It's a two-way street.
	I feel like it's just a people thing.
	We're like picking.
	Yeah, obviously, shitty, inconsistent people suck anywhere.
	You're like, I feel like we're generalizing.
	I'm not saying the ill of all the world is men.
	I'm just saying placing all of the blame on women as the root source of why late capitalism is failing isn't necessarily correct.
	I think being a feminist and the United States is crazy.
	I think there's a goal of saying that women are the cause, the source of everything that's wrong with current society.
	Don't you think we're going to be a little bit more valuable?
	I said that.
	And I disagree with that.
	I didn't go to college.
	Can you tell me?
	Brian, you said that.
	We're responsible for the way the courts are ruling against men.
	We're responsible for this.
	We're responsible for that.
	Sure, if you're women do have advances.
	There's new feminists.
	If you want to be blamed for everything, that's up to you.
	Women do have advantages when it comes to courts and stuff.
	Sure, because we have the children, right?
	This is much like dad's raising.
	Guys, guys, one at a time, please go.
	Listen, if you want to be self-sacrificing, that's your decision.
	I'm not saying you can't do that.
	I just have a different.
	I don't blame you.
	I think to be a feminist in the United States is absolutely crazy.
	Go to another country and try to use your voice.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, I understand it.
	But like here, you have so many advantages.
	Why do you not?
	Hold on.
	Hold on, Tom.
	You have every advantage a man has.
	You go to school, you can work the same jobs, you can do everything a man can do.
	And I can have an opinion, right?
	I understand that, but I don't go wear pussy hats.
	I don't go to demonstrations.
	I just have an opinion, right?
	I'm a human being with an opinion.
	I don't do.
	I don't believe on your opinion.
	I explained what it is.
	I think women deserve more respect as we're half of the population.
	And what about the men?
	How do we get to counteract the menu?
	Men are the ones who are doing much of the disrespect.
	I feel like.
	I mean, I'd like to counter that a little bit.
	So when it comes to, and this is a dating podcast, so I'll kind of try to relate a little bit to that.
	When it comes to slut shaming, they actually did an analysis of sort of derogatory words related to slut shaming.
	And they looked at Twitter, for example, and they found most slut shaming was done by other women.
	They looked at who owned the account.
	Yeah.
	They know the gender who owns the account.
	I don't know the exact methodology of how they did it, but there was some sort of study.
	Because generally people have anonymous Twitter accounts.
	Well, hold on.
	Would you question it?
	If there was a finding with a study that said men are more likely to do X bad things, women participate in the structure of things, right?
	Women, we're part of the world, so we behave in the ways that we're taught to behave.
	So yeah, women do the same that men do.
	Women slut shame other women.
	I'm not saying we don't do that.
	I'm responding to your claim about how it's the men who are doing the...
	No.
	I'm trying to say that there is an agenda here, right?
	Or there isn't one.
	What do you mean?
	Well, what is the motive?
	What is the goal of the show?
	What's the goal of the show?
	Yeah, other than to talk about how she's a sovereign citizen for 30 minutes for some reason.
	So.
	Yeah, I mean, the goal of the show, I would say, one, it's to have interesting and compelling conversations, talk about dating.
	So that's what I'm doing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, get modern, get input from people that come on the show.
	Do you not have a point of view though?
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay, so what is it?
	What do you mean?
	What's who do you think is responsible for everyone being dissatisfied with dating?
	It's women, right?
	No, I would say both men and women.
	If that's your point of view, then look, I'll be charitable and say that, to be clear, I think both men and women have issues as it relates to dating.
	Both men and women contribute to this problem.
	I will be charitable and say that probably most of my criticism is pointed more towards women than it is towards men.
	Okay.
	So do you want to go off that?
	Well, is it easier to blame women?
	I don't get it.
	Why is it more our fault?
	Why is it not we're equally responsible?
	That's not my claim.
	You just said that women are more to blame.
	No, I said my criticism is more directed towards women.
	It doesn't necessarily mean...
	Well, that makes sense.
	You're a man, so you lean towards...
	That actually makes sense.
	You're a man, you lean towards blaming women where women lean.
	I'm not going to let you smuggle in something that I didn't say.
	So I didn't say that.
	It could be the case.
	Like, for example, you would agree that it could be the case that actually men are more responsible, but my criticisms are still more directed towards women.
	Like that you would agree that I'm not saying that that's my position, but you would agree that that could be the case.
	Yes, I agree.
	So I'm not actually making the claim that women are more to blame.
	So you don't believe that?
	That's not the claim I'm making currently.
	So what is the claim you're making?
	I'm not even in the process of being able to do that.
	There is no claim.
	Okay, then there's no claim.
	Why don't you ask me a question and I can specify?
	About dating, who is responsible for dating being dissatisfactory for everybody?
	Men or women?
	Both collectively.
	Okay, then we're in agreement.
	And perhaps there are certain things that women do where there's more representation in certain behaviors that women do versus men.
	Well, then it's a blame, you know.
	I would say it's both.
	Like, I think simps are terrible for dating.
	It's like men who are simps fucking terrible for dating.
	So it's the never-ending war between the sexes, right?
	Consumers, consumers of adult content, which is predominantly men.
	It's not, it's maybe sort of dating related.
	That's more society related.
	Yeah.
	Predominantly men, really bad.
	You shouldn't be doing that.
	You shouldn't be following IG thoughts.
	You shouldn't be like doing all this shit.
	Men should not be doing that.
	I agree.
	I actually don't have an opinion whether or not who's worse for dating men or women.
	Don't really, that's not, you know, I think it's an equal thing.
	That's not really where my criticism is.
	So I'm in agreement with you.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	We have a super chat here from Lucas.
	I'll just do the first one.
	Oh, my bad.
	So let me get this straight.
	You find the dolls objectionable because they sexually objectify women, but you see no issue with the real-life OF workers who doubtlessly you believe do not sexually objectify women.
	Please indulge me and fit the square in that circle.
	Are you, since you're a feminist, are you pro or anti-S-work?
	Supports her.
	I think women should do what they can to get through life the same as everybody else.
	Whatever you can do to get through life, do it.
	Right, but so there's two conflicting feminist theories on this.
	There's like the pro-S-work feminist and the anti-S-work feminists.
	Where do you land?
	I think it'd be better if it was on an even footing, that there was as much male prostitution.
	Can I say prostitution?
	As much male prostitution.
	So your argument is everyone.
	It'd be fine if everyone was doing it.
	Yeah.
	When's the last time you have you purchased a male prostitute?
	No, because they're not generally something that is available.
	I mean, they're less available, but you could probably find them.
	They're usually for men.
	What's your rate?
	How much you charge, Nick?
	Just kidding.
	Don't answer that.
	So you think they have more available?
	If he's selling, I'm buying.
	Oh, wow.
	Do you think everybody should be a sex worker?
	I would have less of a problem with it if it wasn't exclusively a female field.
	This is why the message is failing.
	But the purchaser is other men.
	Nick, what's your for her?
	What's your rate?
	No comments.
	A milk.
	Hey, Nick, see, this is what I'm saying.
	This is what I'm saying.
	10 mil?
	No, I can't sell my soul.
	How many bitcoins?
	See, this is.
	You hear what he just said?
	I can't sell my soul.
	So why is it okay when women do it?
	It's our own free will.
	No, why is it more acceptable for women to sell their body than men to sell their body?
	You know what?
	I would actually, I actually think there would be less, is there less social stigma for like a male who's offering his services to a woman?
	That's not, it's a theoretical.
	Most men are gay.
	They do gay prostitution.
	No, they do.
	Okay, sure.
	They're rent boys.
	Yeah.
	Most men are gay.
	I agree with you.
	Wait, what?
	Okay.
	Well, we have Lucas here with a follow-up.
	Can we also, for once and for all, dispense with this erroneous nonsense that Christians are prohibited from judgment, that's patently ignorant.
	We are prohibited from condemnation, making I actually don't know this.
	Salvik salvif salvific salvific claims.
	Oh my god, Lucas testing the outer limits of my English.
	English is my second language, man.
	Make it easy for me.
	Righteous indignation and judgment is certainly appropriate.
	I think that's in response to you.
	Do you want to do a quick response to Lucas?
	I understand people judge.
	It's let me see.
	So when isn't it in the Bible, thou shall not judge their neighbor or whatever?
	I don't know.
	Don't quote me on it.
	Is that right?
	Judge not lest ye be judged.
	Yeah, something in there.
	I don't know what that means.
	I just, as a Christian, I what I grew up learning was you weren't supposed to like judge people.
	Well, you know what?
	Let's assume you're right.
	As somebody who's secular, Andrew has given me agency on his behalf to do all the judgment for him.
	So I will, the judgment will flow through me for the sake of this conversation.
	But you're not like super Christian, are you?
	Yeah, I'm Everybody judges.
	You know, I'm like, Christianity is dope.
	You know, it's lit.
	Yeah.
	But I just, look, I don't want to lie.
	Like, because I don't want to say I'm a Christian, but like to get brownie points.
	Because what, I mean, isn't that one of the do not bear false witness?
	Right?
	I wouldn't want to lie and claim I'm a Christian for brownie points.
	Once I, my faith and belief isn't there yet.
	So maybe when it's there, then I'll say I'm a Christian.
	But I don't want to claim something that's not true.
	Amen.
	But I'm very pro-Christian.
	I have very pro-Christian sentiments.
	Maybe one day.
	Maybe I might become a monk.
	Who knows?
	Okay, anyways, getting stoned in glass houses, all that.
	So what were your, I'm sorry.
	I was gone.
	You were saying something about shoes or something.
	I don't know.
	They all decided that I am against them.
	Oh, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	I mean, by the way, like for them, which is why I'm critical of some things.
	I'm for you too.
	I'm for women.
	I support women's rights and wrongs.
	I don't feel like you're against me.
	I just don't agree with your views.
	I think we disagree.
	Yeah, I just want an elaboration.
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	Curtis Johnson, 25, a legal paternal surrender for one of the...
	I'm starting a men's rights organization.
	I need...
	I need some help, boys.
	We're going to do litigate, not litigation.
	We're going to do advocacy, but we're also going to do, what's the word?
	Somebody help me.
	Activist litigation.
	So we're going to do that.
	We're going to try to change laws.
	Legal paternal surrender.
	That's another one, you know, we're going to do, we're going to, circumcision, band.
	Increase.
	We're going to do some redo child support, redo alimony, redo child custody.
	Doesn't circumcision help men to keep the penis clean?
	Why is that again?
	Why is that anti-men?
	Because you're mutilating the genitals of baby boys upon birth without.
	That's a medical hygienic thing.
	Have you ever watched one?
	I mean, I've seen it.
	So, I mean, you do.
	You do realize, though, that...
	It's also a religious thing.
	Islam and Judaism.
	Right, but I don't think that religious exemption should allow somebody to mutilate.
	But it helps keep the penis in better condition.
	Okay, so even if I...
	Because a lot of men don't wash their teeth.
	So...
	So, wow, that's a really sexist statement because you do realize there are men who are uncut.
	That's a sexist fact.
	Well, no, but you realize, hold on, you realize that there are men who are uncut who have no problems with their hygiene.
	So this idea that men are so incapable of it, hold on.
	Men are so incapable of adhering to a certain standard of hygiene that we need to mutilate their genitals.
	I'm saying men came up with circumcision, so probably there was a reason behind it.
	I'm not saying women didn't say, oh, we need to circumcise.
	Right, so a lot of things in the past were wrong.
	Currently, I think in modern times.
	It wasn't the past.
	It was more recent in America.
	It was a medical intervention.
	Not medical.
	Insurance won't cover it because it's cosmetic.
	Most men in America are circumcised for medical reasons.
	It's not for medical reasons.
	Although, to be fair, there are no ways that are cosmetic and it costs $500.
	So there are some, but this typically manifests itself in like it improves the appearance, right?
	Aesthetically.
	Well, is that subjective or no?
	That is subjective, but I think the opinion is majorly in favor of aesthetically looking at a circumcised penis.
	Well, when the penis is erect, it looks the same.
	Yeah, but not only that, it's circumcision is weird to take the point that that's anti-male, because I think it's pro-male.
	So you would agree if it was a woman cutting her up when she was first born, not her having a say, for the same reasons, for appearance, and oh, she would be cleaner.
	Well, there is no equivalent reason.
	Okay, but I'm if there was.
	If there was.
	What if they shortened their colours?
	Like, they do cut the clitoris off in certain things.
	And do you agree with that?
	Of course not, because there's no actual reason.
	And there's no actual reason to do it.
	But there is medical literature on why there's a reason.
	I want you to research that because that's what I'm saying.
	I have.
	I've read about it.
	But look.
	I think that adult men can decide for themselves.
	Okay, then you prefer the Islamic version of it.
	When they're 13, they generally circumcise.
	Well, no, it shouldn't be.
	Hold on.
	That's still a kid.
	They're still a child.
	Wait, are you afraid of that?
	No, I'm saying you're saying it should be a decision, right?
	Yeah, they can make the decision when they're adults.
	Like 18 and over.
	Okay, fine.
	It hurts more, though.
	Okay, so.
	So they shouldn't be doing it at all.
	To be honest, I'm not sure if you're not going to be in my daughter's ears until she asked me to.
	I'm saying I don't see how that's an anti-male circumcision being anti-male.
	Well, hold on.
	I don't know why you're framing it from it necessarily being anti-male.
	It improves.
	Generally, it improves.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
	I'll let you make your points, but this, you're again, I think you're unfairly framing this here.
	Circumcision, in my view, is something that negatively impacts men.
	Whether you consider that anti-male.
	In what way?
	Oh, sure.
	I mean, there's plenty, Nick, in the Discord, you can go to the research.
	There's a research tab.
	So that's right.
	That's not under general.
	It's the separate research tab.
	It's the one below resources.
	It's circumcision, if you can pull that up.
	Researching it.
	Not the one in general.
	No, so go all the way down to the research tab, then there's circumcision, and then you're going to find an infographic that you can pull up.
	I haven't thought about this much at all.
	So there's a whole bunch of reasons.
	I don't want to linger too long on the circumcision conversation, but pull it up.
	W.
	So, I mean, there's a whole bunch of you got it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, can you window?
	I just got it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So.
	So partial total loss of penile body, 10%.
	Partial total loss of the foreskin, well, that's going to be 100%.
	72% lose the frenulum.
	Little to no shot.
	Anyways, you can read this.
	Penile.
	There's a whole bunch of stuff there.
	In reality, though, in practice, men generally don't have, it's not a debilitating condition being circumcised.
	Okay, so men go through life circumcised and they're fine.
	Yeah, so to be charitable, I would say most circumcisions are uneventful.
	Like there's no complications.
	However, there are many men who do have complications.
	Although I would then argue, in terms of like those things I listed, there aren't those complications.
	Every single man who is circumcised, there's like nerve endings in the foreskin that are no longer there.
	It makes less conceivably, ostensibly less pleasurable.
	There's equal, you can bring up equal, you know, medical literature on how it prevents infection.
	It's fine, though.
	Just learn how to clean yourself.
	As a parent, you should be teaching your son how to clean yourself.
	In reality, it is what it is, right?
	This isn't like some third world thing here.
	People in I'm saying it's not inherently anti-male.
	It's not inherently, I think it's a helpful thing, right, for men to help hygiene.
	So you think the pros outweigh the cons?
	Yeah, hygiene is important.
	We don't want infections under the skin of the child.
	We would be born with something we don't need.
	Hold on.
	You realize that somebody who is uncut can observe perfect hygiene.
	But they don't in reality tend to, right?
	Little boys.
	Yeah, I don't think that's justification for mutilation.
	And that's where your parents come in and make sure that you're not.
	Okay, well, from the perspective of in this country, there's religious rights, freedom, right?
	There's the Jewish religion, there's the Islamic religion, and they have the right to do that.
	No, I don't care.
	But it's not like you're positioning it as like a...
	If I was a politician or I was able to change the law, I would make laws making this something that cannot be practiced.
	So...
	So you would remove religious freedom.
	How would it?
	Hold on.
	Because you're saying Jews can't circumcise their children.
	Well, let's assume.
	Hold on.
	So let's assume there was a religion.
	I'm not talking about Judaism.
	But let's say there was a religion that allowed like horrific crimes to be committed against children.
	But it's not an it's a false equivalency.
	Listen to that.
	I'm talking about reality.
	I'm talking about in the Jewish practice, they circumcise and it's hard to do.
	Hold on, but so okay.
	But if in modern day time we view this as barbarism and we view this as a barbaric.
	That's definitely not.
	Yeah, it is.
	And I think I don't know what the case in, don't they like, I could be wrong.
	Chat, I don't want to like misspeak.
	Don't they like bite the foreskin off?
	No.
	Okay, that's an only orthodox, ultra-larligious sects of religion.
	Okay, do you believe in the religious freedom for the rabbis or whatever?
	I don't know.
	Again, I don't know what that is.
	I don't enjoy religious extremism.
	I'm not sure.
	Okay, but it's their religious freedom and their religious rights.
	Are you in favor of them being able to like- Oh my god, that's so gross to you.
	I think if something crosses to the extreme end of it, it should be curtailed, right?
	I'm saying in the religious freedom, should they be able to like chop off the foreskin with their mouth?
	Again, that's an extreme, which I'm against.
	I feel like so.
	Then if we're able to limit some religious traditions, then I think we can also limit other religious traditions.
	If they go to the point of being disgusting and extreme like that, we can clean them.
	I think mutilating a child's penis upon birth is disgusting.
	Okay, that's the economy.
	But it's not even a religious thing.
	Just to be clear, it's not even a religious argument I'm making.
	Most circumcisions are just done in the hospital for no religious reason.
	Well, in the United Kingdom of Brian, that's illegal.
	It's fine.
	You have your own opinion.
	You can have your opinion.
	I think the issue that people have with the view is, right?
	If there was something that happened to girls that were the equivalent of that, clitoral cuttings.
	And you would be against that.
	Because there's, well, that's just a practice of not wanting women to have a clitoris.
	That's a religious aspect.
	That's a religious practice.
	No, there's subtle.
	If you're a one, then you're against the other.
	That's a false equivalency.
	You can't.
	Wait, explain to me how it's a false equivalency.
	Female genital mutilation does not have any scientific proven benefit.
	It doesn't have any other reason other than wanting to curtail the ability to enjoy sex.
	It doesn't justify.
	If your kid's dirty and going to get an infection, they can get an infection regardless.
	They can get like four.
	Women get infections.
	Yeah.
	Women don't keep themselves.
	If they're not clean, they're not going to be afraid of that.
	I'm sure if anyone goes online and just looks up the reason for the common use of circumcision in America, they'll find that I'm not making anything up.
	Why would we mutilate a baby?
	It's not the only way to stay.
	People want their son circumcised mainly because it cosmetically looks right.
	Well, that's also with hygiene.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	No, it does have hygiene.
	Oh my god, I wish you knew objectively in reality.
	Wait, is this the female?
	Are you arguing for the female gaze?
	Like, because women, like, it's more aesthetically pleasing, we should mutilate the genitals of the people.
	I'm not saying it only has an aesthetic reason.
	I'm saying it has a healthy reason.
	Because if you Google it, if you research on it, it does not change.
	It's okay.
	I don't want to get stuck on this.
	I'm just saying it's not anti-male, and I don't think women set it up as a system.
	But your argument fails because even if we go ahead and grant that, I'm going to go ahead and grant for the sake of argument.
	It might absolutely be the case that through circumcision, yes, it offers more opportunity to observe hygiene more easily, right?
	And it might even be the case, like if you compare the same person, cut versus uncut, they're just going to be more hygienic if they're cut.
	I don't fucking care.
	I don't care.
	It's not worth it.
	You have the right.
	It's not worth the potential risks of the procedure.
	It's not worth the potential future dissatisfaction of sexual pleasure.
	And it's just not like it's just you're not into it.
	That's fine.
	He has the right to believe it and to feel that way.
	What about the kids that are getting cut every single day?
	That has no rights to say anything.
	Children are born and immediately they get a bunch of vaccines they didn't agree to.
	They get a bunch of prescribed procedures they didn't agree to.
	When you're a little baby, you're immediately.
	I mean, as the parents, I think you can probably.
	They have a choice.
	The parents have a choice.
	Me personally, like I had my son circumcised, and when I saw it, I told myself I would never do it again if I had another son.
	I didn't do it to me in my children.
	I had no idea it was even like that.
	Well, that's horrible.
	Okay.
	Horrible.
	And my son's.
	But is he okay now?
	Well, yeah, of course he's fine.
	But there's like, there's difference, like if you have skin or not, like, it's a hygiene thing.
	Like, there's a lot of people who are making a reason for you to even circumcise your child.
	I mean, you're talking about infections.
	I can tell you that in my family, they don't do that shit.
	They don't sniff.
	And there's never, as far as I know, never been any issue.
	No issues.
	No fucking issues.
	No fucking hygiene.
	I'm telling you.
	Also, you see, like all these other countries, like, I don't think they do this in Asia, right?
	I don't think they do it in a lot of European countries.
	It's not like their men are just, the men in these countries are just perpetually infected in the genital region because they're uncut.
	Sure, if there's a, again, I'm willing to grant that there might be like a slightly elevated risk of certain infections or or you know, you know, hygiene or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Not, I don't think.
	I don't think it's inherently a practice that's against men that is done because we hate men.
	Hold on, I didn't even necessarily.
	Yeah.
	I'm not even making it.
	That was my argument.
	I'm saying anti-male.
	I just think most people aren't aware of the counterarguments against circumcision.
	I don't think the mothers who are opting to do this are like evil or malevolent and want to inflict pain onto their baby boys.
	Yeah.
	But it is something that negatively impacts men.
	So whether that's anti-male or not, I don't really care.
	In imperceptible ways.
	Imperceptible.
	What do you mean, imperceptible?
	Millions of men go through life with not a single ramification from being circumcised.
	And I'm about to make the counter argument.
	Millions of men go through life uncut and they're terrible.
	I don't think that's accurate.
	Hello.
	Have you heard of Europe and Asia?
	No, I actually meant, I thought you were going to say that.
	Chat, maybe somebody in the chat can help me because they can tell me the statistics.
	Isn't it the case that the majority of the world population, the earth population, they're uncut?
	They don't get circumcised?
	We're the highest country for you.
	I could be wrong.
	I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're in the minority.
	I could be wrong.
	It's different practices in different countries.
	I'm saying it's just not inherently anti-male as a practice.
	It's not done to punish.
	Okay, great.
	You're arguing with the phantom.
	I've repeatedly said that's not.
	No, that was my initial argument, though.
	That's all I was saying.
	I'm saying, how is circumcision against men?
	You're saying, like, against men.
	Yeah, how is it anti-how is it punishment of?
	Mentai is interesting framing.
	Does it harm men?
	Yes.
	That was female genital mutilation.
	That's not harm against women.
	I just have no idea.
	It is.
	It's literally the same thing.
	I don't know.
	It's literally the same thing.
	Not even remotely.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	No, you're absolutely right in the sense that the literature out there will tell you that the reason that we do this is because of cleanliness.
	However, and I can't say anything more because it's TTS and so on and so forth, but I believe that we started doing this for more nefarious purposes.
	And it's justified by saying it will keep your child clean.
	Well, I don't think anyone's required to circumcise in this country.
	It's a personal parental decision.
	I didn't know any better when I had my son.
	I just thought this is what I'm supposed to do.
	So I did it.
	But there was a requirement.
	I'm curious for the women here who have had children.
	When you're in the hospital, it's done like shortly after birth, right?
	No, within a funeral, they ask you.
	Oh, you go back to the hospital?
	You go to a house decision.
	So they don't do it like you make an appointment and you within a few days.
	You come back.
	Yeah, within a few days.
	You go to your clinic doctor, not the hospital.
	Oh, okay.
	And then.
	So, but is it a specific appointment to get that done?
	Or is it like you're just going to your OBG watch?
	Who does that?
	What does that mean?
	Let's go back to regular.
	My old GBYN did it.
	He was the guy.
	Yeah, he'll do it.
	So, but is it something that's because I mean, after the birth, you're going to the doctor for a whole bunch of things.
	So is it something that's just kind of.
	You will let them know.
	Like, I had let the doctor know what I wanted to do, like, as I was having my baby, or even after he was born, I had, I wanted to do that.
	We got Vermilion tells me 70 to 80 percent of men worldwide are uncut, uncircumcised.
	W.
	I think it's a decision, right?
	It's not a requirement in this country to do it.
	But if there's enough social pressure, and like a lot of parents are going to look to the authority of a doctor, and they're going to be like, okay, we'll just do it, whatever.
	Like my mom was.
	They're not even going to question it.
	There's a lot of people.
	Well, the doctor is suggesting it because of the reason I stated.
	Well, think about this.
	Okay, well, the doctors also, like, in the past couple years, also suggested people do something.
	And, well, I was going to say, for the most part, with doctors, like, unless it's in an extreme situation, they're going to be like, okay, do this for a little bit and we'll see if it gets worse.
	Like, with the majority of illnesses, so that seems like an extreme situation to be like, oh, for cleanliness.
	Normally, it's like, okay, we would have to mutilate you if it's going to literally kill you.
	But that's all they say.
	I have a question for you.
	I have a question for you.
	You say, like, the doctors are the ones.
	Well, yeah, doctors base their recommendation on medical.
	Do you think healthcare is better in the United States or in Europe?
	I think there's equal problems in Europe as there are here.
	Like not everything is perfect everywhere.
	The top five European countries in terms of healthcare.
	I don't know what I get.
	Okay, I guess my question is, because a lot of people would say, like, you probably have objections to the United States healthcare system, right?
	I have objections to the Canadian one.
	I lived in Canada.
	It's not great.
	I've lived in the UK.
	It's not great.
	There's equal problems in every country.
	Right.
	But so what are the European doctors getting wrong on this topic?
	Well, it seems to be a difference of medical opinion in Europe and here.
	There they have also differences in opinion on other topics of medicine, not just the circumcision.
	They don't like the food additives.
	You know, here we have certain things that are illegal there, and there's certain things that are illegal here.
	You would agree that these European doctors and medical professionals, they're not quacks, are they?
	I'm not saying they're quacks, but I'm saying science has different, there's arguments in science, too.
	These doctors in Europe, these aren't third world countries.
	They're just as, if not more, okay, so you want to be European then?
	You want America to be more?
	It's not universal agreement from the medical field when it comes to the same thing.
	There's no universal agreement on almost anything in science.
	Yeah.
	There's some few things that they're universal agreement on.
	And it's constantly developing in different places.
	Right, but I think there's like, for example, there's probably like broad universal agreement on certain medical things.
	Sure.
	But on this one, there's quite a divide.
	It's money.
	Or practice.
	It's money.
	Yeah, they probably just.
	They do it in Canada, too.
	Again, I got to move on.
	Hold on.
	We were.
	Did somebody over here have something on this?
	I don't want to cut anybody off.
	No?
	Okay.
	Is it okay if I yeah, you can go to the bathroom?
	Go ahead.
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	Yes, that would be great if you started an MRA group.
	Chair three is disgusting for rolling her eyes when talking about custody and child support reform.
	She has no idea the level of female evil in courts.
	Chair three, that's you?
	Were you rolling your eyes, I guess?
	Yeah, it seems a little silly to me when that conversation comes up.
	I feel like a lot of people say that women, like we didn't 100% pivot that way, but I thought that's the direction in my head, that women are like having children to like capitalize on.
	Like child, yeah, what is it?
	Child science.
	Yeah, it's like $500 a month to pop out a kid.
	Like, are you going to ruin your body for like whatever?
	Not that much money.
	$200 a month to pop out a kid.
	Yeah, like I'm saying child support isn't that much.
	So I don't think women weaponize having kids.
	I get everyone's.
	There's a really good amount of child support.
	There's people that a good amount of child support.
	Oh, look, wait.
	How old's your kid?
	10 and 7.
	And you, wait, it's two fathers?
	One.
	Oh, sorry.
	So, so sorry.
	I'm getting confused with the other words.
	No, one.
	Little marriage.
	And so how much do you get paid per person?
	For one?
	Or are you one child support?
	For just one child support for both?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What's the numbers or the breakdown?
	Together, it'd be like 1200 together.
	And then individually, they're probably like six, six and six.
	That is not enough money for me to look after a whole child.
	It's not, but that's not just what he does.
	The thing is, see, through the custody papers, I have everything with the kids.
	I have my kids.
	So the paperwork says that the kids are with me like 90% of the time.
	Yeah.
	So they go based on that.
	And he works full-time and everything, but he gets them like 50% of the time.
	That's about what I said, though.
	Like $500 kid.
	But he's also like, so like, you don't pay that much for the amount of time that he's spending.
	You know what I mean?
	But I also saw people that will go and purposely get pregnant with someone famous for the money.
	Even with anybody.
	Sure.
	There's people.
	I like to talk about that.
	Even previous women get pregnant just to trap a guy that don't want them.
	Sure.
	There's people who do all kinds of crazy shitty things.
	There's guys that break the condom to trap a woman.
	Who knows?
	Okay, but let's not talk about the exception.
	What guys really do?
	Exactly.
	There's no guy going out there.
	Oh, let me get this girl pregnant.
	It's like a keeper.
	Exactly.
	Let's not talk about the exception.
	Let's talk about the you think most women are like going out there and trapping men.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you?
	I didn't.
	I was married.
	But they do.
	So what context clues give you that?
	What?
	Well, anecdotally, I have a lot of friends that would do that.
	There's a lot of friends that will pretend they were pregnant, also.
	That's a whole separate issue.
	How is you're still trapping them for something?
	You know, pretending.
	Being a pathological liar and pretending that you're pregnant is very difficult.
	Oh, she'll eventually get pregnant.
	But like utilize.
	Okay, if you would bring life into this world for $600 a month, each child, that's a huge problem.
	Is that the purpose why you're bringing the child into the world?
	I never thought about it.
	For $600?
	You never wanted to get divorced.
	No.
	You know?
	That's not why you bring a kid in.
	But that's not the only source of income either.
	Of course, yeah.
	And I'm just saying, like, when people say that women weaponize having children, they do.
	I feel like a lot of women do.
	They have kids, so.
	And guys, you should get into sales or something because there's way more money to be made.
	And you don't have to look after the kids.
	Have you had kids?
	Yeah.
	That's why I'm blown my eyes.
	I guess I was uneducated.
	I've been guilty.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	Anyways, moving on.
	We're going to get into some more of the show notes.
	Let's go with Julie, starting with you.
	What do you say to a man who messages in a friendly way but who you know has a greater interest?
	That was your question.
	It seems rude to just say you're not interested.
	Yeah, if someone is interested in you and they message and they haven't actually said, you know, hey, would you like to go out or hey, I like you or creating conversations?
	But you don't want to lead someone on.
	How do you respond, which would otherwise be a normal, a friendly response?
	Because you don't want to lead that person on.
	What's the proper way to handle that?
	So just I want to repeat back to you just so I make sure that I understood it.
	So a guy is like conversating with you.
	You have no interest.
	You suspect he has interest, but he hasn't stated he has interest yet.
	You think he has interest, but he's just like creating conversation.
	I'm assuming you don't want to be talking to him.
	Is that if it was strictly in a friend capacity, that would be fine.
	But I don't really have anything to say.
	So I don't know if I'd call it friend.
	But what's the polite manner?
	How do you well?
	I mean, it's kind of hard because if the guy hasn't overtly like, has he asked you to lunch or something?
	A long time ago, he asked if I would like to go to some thing in another state with him.
	And I didn't respond.
	Because I mean, it's usually easier to make a definitive sort of statement immediately after they've tried to move things forward in some sort of way.
	If it's just a casual conversation, it might come across a little out of the blue.
	But you could just be like, hey, listen, you know, it was really nice meeting you.
	You seem like a cool guy.
	I'm just not really looking for anything right now.
	But I wish you luck in what you're looking for.
	Oh, that's nice.
	And then he's got thinking of you.
	Oh, thinking of you?
	Why do I say that?
	But like in a romantic, like as a friend type of thing.
	Well, we're not friends.
	So he's trying to get with you.
	Keep it back.
	So what's you could just be like, oh, hey, I really appreciate the compliment, but you know, honestly, I'm not really looking for anything right now.
	I mean, if you want, I'm okay with kind of like little white lies.
	You could be like, hey, I'm seeing somebody.
	If you're not seeing somebody, whatever.
	I don't.
	Do you think it's okay to segue into saying, you know, I'm not really looking to see anyone right now, even though that wasn't directly asked?
	I mean, the only problem you might run into there is he's just going to be like, okay, well, I'll just hit you up when you are ready.
	Although maybe some guys are going to take the hint, but you could, honestly, I think little white lies are fine.
	I think most guys are going to stop if you're like, hey, I'm seeing somebody.
	Or if you want to be more direct, you could be like, hey, thank you so much.
	But I just don't really think there's a connection here.
	It's like a business email.
	I think you should be polite.
	All the best.
	No, I've done that before too.
	Passive, like, oh, thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	But ultimately, I don't think that that's right either.
	Well, you need to make a definitive statement saying like you're not interested.
	So that's fair.
	I would just try to be diplomatic about it.
	You can say, hey, thanks for the compliment or, you know, whatever they say, but I just not sure for the right fit.
	All the best.
	But yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then you said not all men command submission, meaning they're not dominant enough to make a woman naturally submit.
	All men command submission.
	Yeah, so I think I don't think all men command it, if that makes sense.
	Right?
	It's like, so, for example, I know the way Andrew sees things is ultimately you're submissive to whoever you're with and that's it.
	But if you have a, if someone who's more like they don't take charge, sure.
	I'll word it the other way.
	When someone does take charge, it naturally falls in line to where you're naturally submissive.
	Does that make sense?
	But then I guess I would just say don't, if that's the kind of relationship dynamic you want or are desirous of, don't date somebody who's not meeting that threshold of whatever you're looking for, I guess.
	No, I completely agree, but I don't, but I think it's a little challenging to how do you screen people and say, hey, I'm looking for someone who's nice and dominant.
	Well, they should be that way kind of up front, don't you think?
	The male?
	Right.
	Like, wouldn't you know kind of immediately?
	We don't have a very masculine man who isn't actually dominant.
	Okay.
	Well, are you okay dating a masculine man who's not dominant?
	I prefer the dominant.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, so he's a masculine man, but he does what?
	Like he, he's like, you're like, wait, let me try to think of an example here.
	You're asking him, what's the plan for dinner?
	And he's like, whatever you want.
	Would that be an example?
	Or even the fact that you have to ask him?
	No, not necessarily.
	Obviously, there's, I shouldn't say obviously, you're going to have regular communication.
	Hey, babe, what do you want for dinner?
	Whatever the case is.
	I don't know.
	I have a hard time explaining that.
	But I do feel like with someone who is maybe it's more so just a way a man carries himself commands that.
	The aura.
	I don't know.
	Sorry, I'm not the best at outlining.
	You're fine.
	I mean, that makes sense.
	I mean, there are men who you encounter when dating who are more or less dominant, and you don't feel like submitting to those men who are not dominant.
	Sounds kind of simple, right?
	I don't know.
	I don't think it's difficult to do.
	I mean, but do you even find yourself struggling to be submissive to men who even do meet your threshold of dominance?
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's fine.
	Because, I mean, I do think there is another component.
	I'll agree that there's probably men who they're not great leaders.
	They don't take great initiative.
	They're not particularly dominant.
	That might be an issue in and of itself.
	But then there's also women who, even when they're with a masculine guy, a leader, whatever it is, they don't want to be followers.
	So if you want to be with a guy who's a leader, you have to be a follower.
	There can't be two leaders in a relationship.
	It's not going to work.
	You also said, Brian, or you said you're not sleeping with somebody as quickly as I guess my expectation because you were on the show before, and we were having a conversation about how soon should you sleep with somebody.
	Is that correct?
	Right.
	Okay.
	You said that intimacy is extremely sacred and important.
	You have zero interest in giving that part of you to somebody you basically just met, a man's DNA, and a woman changes her.
	I heard about that.
	What is it?
	The crypto chimera.
	What is it?
	Chimerism or something?
	No, no, I don't mean chimerism.
	I literally had an ex convince, my first ex that, maybe that's why I was with him for four years, but he literally told me that like once like someone goes inside you, that your body forms to them basically, and like no sex will ever be as good with anyone else.
	And I believe that shit.
	I literally believe that's Jean like, that's that.
	I'm like, my thing has been molded.
	Okay, cool.
	Really?
	But no, obviously, I'm responding to your comments.
	You know, frequently, you'll say, I'm not going to wait around for three months to be with someone.
	And I'm not addressing the false virtue or anything of that nature, right?
	Just in general.
	So not obviously just you, but any men who are like that in that sense, expecting to have sex so quickly.
	I don't see, I'm just arguing in the sense of it should probably be longer because my plan is to be with that person, to be the last person that I'm with.
	Okay.
	Well, question for the entire table.
	Or maybe.
	How long do you think you should wait until having sex, starting with you?
	Depends on the date.
	Depends on the date.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	I agree with her.
	Into the mic.
	Sorry.
	I agree with her.
	Depends on the date.
	Okay.
	I would say probably two months.
	Two months.
	You said should.
	Wait, question.
	Oh, should.
	You said how long should you, ideally?
	Probably two months.
	How long do you is a better question?
	Probably like three dates.
	Okay.
	I think it matters on the connection.
	It depends on the connection.
	Okay.
	I agree with that too.
	You agree?
	I need to be in a committed relationship, so however long that takes.
	What about you?
	I would definitely agree with that.
	And I do think it depends.
	So, for example, I've met people where we've talked almost every single day for a month and a half, constantly speaking, conversing to where you know that person.
	And then when you finally meet them, then that's fairly quick.
	But for example, with my husband or former husband, waited three months.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think if it looks like it's going to be something serious, probably a month and a half.
	If it looks like it's going to be something serious.
	What if it looks like it's not going to be something serious?
	Then I wouldn't right away.
	Yeah, well, why waste time?
	Why would I want to hang out?
	Why continue if it's not going to turn into anything serious?
	That's the.
	But so you're saying you would just not do anything with them?
	I mean, you're talking about having sex with them, right?
	Yeah, like would you have a casual encounter?
	Nah, I'm not into that.
	Okay, so for all of your guys' answers, I want a show of hands.
	Have you ever, ever had sex shorter than that?
	Like in a shorter length of time than what y'all just said?
	No.
	Show of hands.
	Really?
	Okay, no, nobody's had like a one-night stand or you hooked up with somebody like the first, second, third date?
	Yeah.
	I was going to say, literally, I sleep at the time of the day.
	As a teenager, dude, as a teenager.
	My last like three relationships, I'm like, every time I go to like F the Rebound and I'm like, okay, I'm going to get over this guy.
	Oh, yeah, this guy's Paulian was hurt.
	There's no way I'm going to like get sucked into this.
	Every time I sleep with someone, I feel like I end up down the relationship pipeline with them.
	So it's okay.
	It's like chemical.
	Like you can get into a relationship and have it be a long-term relationship and sleep with the person super quick, too.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying you shouldn't probably because it always ends up in a relationship for me.
	I'm like, even if you know objectively beforehand, they're like, oh, they're not shit.
	They're not worth my time.
	And then the second you hook up, it's like.
	What's that?
	Oh, I'll take a look and just.
	I don't see from that connection with them.
	You do.
	It's like literally chemical.
	I'm like, damn.
	Why isn't her looking kind of cute?
	I'm not on like any kind of crusade about it.
	I just feel like, you know, personally, like, if I'm not going to, if I don't feel like this is something that's going to evolve into a real relationship, I'm just not going to spend further time investing in you.
	I mean, what's the point?
	You shouldn't, because it will go further and be put out, I feel like typically.
	Hmm.
	There's something, Nick.
	I'm going to send you something to pull up here.
	Except it's taken forever for me to find it.
	Freaking Dropbox.
	Okay, here.
	I'm going to send it private chat.
	It's related to this conversation.
	You're going to make it, open it outside of Dropbox, if that makes sense.
	And while we're doing that, I'm just going to read a couple chats.
	Then we'll get right back to the conversation.
	Yo, Matt, thank you for the super chat.
	Appreciate it.
	No kissing for the first, damn, man.
	What?
	Okay, well, all right.
	God's strongest soldier.
	Good for you, Matt.
	Well done.
	Lucas says, let's be real.
	Your gripe with the podcast is that it shines a light on an ever-growing cohort of abhorrent female behavior together with the covert vein of misandry cloaked under a guise of egalitarian feminism, all of which is tacitly endorsed by the sisterhood.
	That's for you.
	Do you have a response?
	That's for me.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I don't really have this vehement opinion on dating, but I don't know.
	Again, it takes two to tango, right?
	Men like to string women along generally.
	Women like to be in relationships and men like to waste women's time generally.
	That's my experience with female friends that I have.
	Wait, is that even a response to the well?
	I don't know.
	I didn't get the question that women are abhorrent and men are not abhorrent.
	No, your gripe with the podcast is that it shines a light on our fall of the West, basically.
	The fall of the West lies on the backs of our back, right?
	It's not our fault.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm just summarizing because I don't know all the terms.
	I didn't go to college.
	It doesn't involve two people.
	It only involves us.
	No, they were just saying what your gripe with the podcast is.
	Yeah, my gripe with the podcast is that it's describing women as abhorrent.
	And he's saying that the only reason you want to gripe with it is because.
	I think that's what Lucas was saying.
	Yeah.
	When did that happen?
	Yeah, he was literally just saying your only problem with it is that it shines a light.
	It gives platform to the degeneracy of women.
	The degradation of the West, whatever.
	It doesn't involve two parties.
	It's just women that are degraded.
	I think women have access to the men.
	That's a what I'm saying.
	And men are not involved whatsoever in any negotiation.
	At the end of the day, the woman's the one that lays on her back and accepts it.
	Whoa, okay.
	See, I think they're both.
	Not all the time.
	That's that.
	Hashtag status.
	I don't think she is involved.
	Thank you, whoever bought some merchandise.
	I don't know why.
	It just says someone.
	So I don't know.
	Someone.
	All right.
	Thank you, someone.
	Shout out you.
	Hashtag Big Lady Matter.
	Do you have that?
	Or actually, wait, before we do that, there were two chats I need to do.
	We have actually religious chair two: feminism is everything that's wrong with current society.
	Since you're studying feminism, you should read Rachel's book, Occult Feminism.
	Feminism is hurting both men and women.
	Your response to that?
	Again, I don't lay the blame for the decline of Western culture entirely on feminism.
	I think feminism overall has benefited us in general because our grandmothers and great-grandmothers weren't having as good a time.
	So I think the decline of the West is not necessarily entirely the fault of women or feminism.
	Can you paint a picture of you said grandmothers were not having a great time?
	Can you paint a picture of what you're talking about?
	And is this universal?
	Like all grandmothers were having a bad time?
	Some grandmothers saying it 50%.
	Generally speaking, historically, right?
	Yeah.
	Our mothers, all of our mothers, had a better experience going through life, having more just choices to be a human being and how they wanted to live versus, let's say, our mother's great-grandmother.
	I would say that's like so.
	There's so many variables that you're ignoring on that, though.
	I would say, yeah, that's true, but it's because my great-grandparents were like first-generation and like great.
	No, there's different variables.
	I'm just saying in a general historical sense, women of a previous generation, not the modern one, had a more curtailed life.
	I would agree.
	And so I think that most people's gripe is that they feel that it stopped being like having having a disparity, like probably whatever your time frame is, 10, 30, 50 years ago, and things have been equal for a long time.
	So then it's like, we don't need like any more improvement for the future generate, I think is like a primary gripe.
	Or that we're like at an equal spot.
	Are you saying you think women today are happier than they were, than your grandparents are?
	I can't.
	I don't know how to measure happiness.
	I'm saying in general, the rights to be who you are in the world have expanded over time for everybody, but also for women.
	His mother grew up in a post-feminist society, right?
	Everyone's mother grew up in a post-feminist society.
	And I would say that our great-grandmothers might have not enjoyed as much as our mothers enjoyed growing up in a post-feminist society.
	I think the quality of life is getting better in general.
	They didn't have like Uber.
	They didn't have all these things.
	It's part of it.
	It's all part of it.
	It's progress.
	It's all part of the march towards whatever.
	Where do you think women got the idea that they should be out working or well?
	Women didn't get any idea.
	World War II pushed women into the workforce, basically, because men were fighting.
	It wasn't meant to be forever.
	Exactly, but that was.
	But that was the outcome.
	It pushed women into the workforce.
	And after that, many men were murdered in World War II, right?
	There was a massive slaughter of men.
	And so after that, women were in the workforce.
	It was a historical thing.
	It wasn't a decision.
	Or weren't they just making like bullet cases or something?
	Like, it wasn't like there were like they were making always munitions.
	They were building munitions.
	They worked in factories, mostly.
	They do now still.
	Yeah, that's what pushed women, and they stayed there because that's you know, it was just what happened.
	It wasn't necessarily due to feminism, it was because there was a war.
	But they kept us there because of feminism.
	No, actually, didn't they allow them to do that?
	No, when they went back, women went back into the 1950s was a retraction.
	Women went back into homemaking.
	But who cares about these like romanticized time periods of like whatever the because that was the greatest time?
	No, I'm just what was the greatest time.
	Please, I don't know.
	I mean, I didn't listen.
	I'm not responsible for what women decided to do in the 60s and 70s.
	If it wasn't for men, we wouldn't have them anyways.
	Men were the majority decision makers of what we have right now.
	In terms of women's rights, women were the ones responsible, not men.
	In terms of actual legal allowed you to be, you know, women were actually fighting back on suffrage, unfortunately.
	Oh, I want to vote and stuff.
	It was men.
	Men were the ones that granted everything.
	Okay, why do you give so much credit to men, though?
	Because they're the ones that they built this.
	I think she's right in saying if men had made a general decision that no, you're not going to allow women to work in the workforce, they would not be working in the workforce.
	That's right.
	I mean, they decided, sure, go ahead, get a job, get a job.
	I thought there were different situations.
	So, like the first wave, right?
	First wave of feminism, if we're talking about feminism, the first wave of feminism, men weren't deciding anything.
	Women were throwing themselves under horses at races, horse races.
	They were putting bombs in mail, they were putting bombs in mailboxes.
	Just look it up.
	Look up, there's a film about there's a film about it, Carrie Mulligan, but that was how they got the right to vote in England in the UK.
	They don't have guns.
	Okay.
	No, I'm just saying that's I'm just stating factual information.
	What I'm saying is, I feel like the pitfalls is like we're all like fighting invisible arguments.
	And not everything should be like entirely gendered, like that.
	Like, sure, there's pitfalls of society.
	Men aren't to give credit for for everything.
	Um, and I don't think we're any of us are saying that men are to give credit for for everything.
	Like, take your washing machine and your lights and your fridge.
	So, like, you're saying that that's all part of it, the convenience that also helped that gave women more time because before that, women were having to do all of it physically.
	Yeah, so that more time, thanks to like technology, that also was part of it.
	You know, it's all part of it, you know, it's all integrated into one thing.
	It doesn't matter.
	And then we still had to take our shoes off when we got here.
	Sexism is still alive and well on YouTube.
	It's true.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	So, I guess, can you explain a little better, though?
	I was asking you: so, you're saying that in the grandma's generation, great-grandmas, beyond, like going further back beyond that, what was the, I guess, differential choice?
	Like, women had more choice.
	They did not have as much of legal personhood as they do now.
	Women had less legal, economic, social personhood.
	Now, they have more autonomy.
	That's it.
	It's legal and it's also economic.
	It's mainly economic, actually.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Equal opportunities.
	Okay, but so I mean, there's a whole bunch of angles to approach this from.
	So, yeah, I guess there's more choice now.
	I'm not sure if these choices have led women to make decisions that make them more or less happy.
	Well, I don't know.
	Maybe people here want to go back and live in whatever time, but I think everyone's happy living now, right?
	They have no choice.
	No one here is trying to go back to 19 whatever.
	I mean, there does seem to be some dispute over this.
	I mean, this idea, though, I mean, this idea that women are going to find ultimate fulfillment in a career versus having a family and children.
	And we can see this with the declining birthplace.
	I don't agree with that.
	I don't agree that there's ultimate fulfillment in just a career.
	I do.
	I think it's, you think it's just a career?
	Yeah, I think I think everything is the same as it is for men.
	Men are fulfilled by family and a career.
	So are women.
	Well, do you think that men and women are exactly the same?
	No, I don't.
	I just think that we're all to put the burden of only family on women is, I'm saying, unfair because women are also human beings who want to do things sometimes.
	Only fams.
	Besides that.
	Like fams.
	Like families.
	Only fams, yeah, only fams.
	No, I'm not precluding.
	I'm not saying only one thing is okay.
	I'm saying there's more options.
	You can do more things.
	But what do you think?
	What do you think is what would be the, from your perspective, the best way to arrange society and families?
	I mean, the way they're now is the way they've been.
	I don't know.
	I just, I don't think there needs to be a retraction.
	I'm saying as it is now, women can decide what they want to do.
	It's fine.
	I'm not saying that's a retraction.
	Do you think it's the case that it's better for children that the mothers are doing the bulk or exclusive, and just to be clear, I'll clarify, the exclusive caretaking of the children, as opposed to the woman goes to work so that she can pay for daycare or a babysitter or child care?
	Do you think it's better for the children that the mother's doing that instead of some stranger that's getting paid $20 an hour or less?
	I mean, I think it's a very case-by-case thing, right?
	Okay.
	Everyone raises their kids differently.
	Sure, but who do you think is going to take better care of children?
	Well, I can give my example.
	You want me to give my example?
	I don't know other people's lives.
	Well, anecdotally, maybe your mom, are you mom did not do a good job or what?
	No, I was going to say my parents equally raised me.
	They were both involved equally and they both worked equally and I didn't have a nanny.
	Okay, but so people arrange things differently.
	Right, but there is going to be, okay, so just to be clear, your mom and dad both worked full-time.
	Yeah, both.
	My mom worked the night shift and my dad worked the day shift and they both had the same job, respiratory therapist at the hospital.
	And my dad died and now my mom is still earning a living because she went into the same profession as well.
	Okay, so that might work for some people.
	So I'm saying it's case by case.
	It's not like people arrange their lives differently.
	Sure, and there can be all kinds of arrangements, but you will acknowledge.
	I assume you can and will acknowledge that a lot of women, if both people are in the workforce, they're going to pass on their kids to childcare, daycare, or something like this.
	Yes, they do that.
	Okay, do you think that that's optimal?
	No.
	It depends on what daycare they go to.
	There's good daycares and bad daycares.
	I don't think it's ever typically a good thing.
	Like if there's the option for the mother to be taking care of the kids versus passing it off to some daycare, I think it's always better for the mother to be taking care of their care.
	Well, women make decisions sometimes to not go to work during the period when they really have to be there, like from the early years, but then they go back.
	You're saying like one thing precludes the other, that a woman needs to stop working entirely to raise children.
	That's not the case.
	Well, it's not the case.
	Came with, or your parents, excuse me, they were able to come to some sort of arrangement that you didn't have to go to child support.
	But that's obviously not the case for all family dynamics.
	And so I'm just asking simply, like, and I would actually think that your dynamic that you have is perhaps uncommon.
	I think when situations where both parents have to work, there's probably going to be like some third party involved in raising the children, which I think is less ideal than if it was just the mother.
	I mean, I noticed that the women who had the most childcare had the most free time because I went to school with wealthier people.
	Okay, well, and mothers liked having nannies because they could afford them.
	Do you prioritize free time or do you prioritize time spent raising your children and taking care of your children?
	I'm saying they're not mutually exclusive.
	You can do both.
	You can go to work and raise kids.
	Okay, but so while you're at work, who's taking care of the kids?
	I'm saying you can make the decision to leave work while the kids need you to be there full-time.
	And then once they're at a point where you can have a different arrangement, you can go back to work.
	You don't have to be at home your entire life because you had a kid.
	Okay, but am I just making this up?
	There's not like a child care industry?
	Like, you're saying it's really unusual.
	Like, it's really unusual for there to be daycares and babysitters and child care and nanny.
	There's a lot of this going on.
	And so, like, I don't know how big the industry is.
	In previous societies, what replaced daycare was that it was more of a community thing.
	You had a familial.
	You had a grandma raising the kid.
	You had an aunt.
	You had a this.
	You had a that.
	Or you had daycare.
	You're taking care of the child.
	But that was a very specific set.
	That wasn't universal.
	Even going back through the ages, there were different things that were happening.
	People were raising kids different ways.
	It wasn't always exclusively one homemaker.
	Yeah, sure, it wasn't exclusive, but that was more so the case than it is the case now.
	It's an idea from the 50s that women are the homemaker and that's it, and there's no one else involved.
	But if you look at societies anywhere, you can notice there's a communal child raising thing happening.
	Which societies are you referencing?
	I don't know.
	Pick any of them, man.
	But it's just from the teacher.
	You're making the claim.
	You tell me which societies.
	Even in America, you go back and you look that there was more of a family thing, extended family.
	Extended families helped raise kids.
	Yeah, I'm okay with grandmas like taking care of the kids.
	Okay, but that's what happens.
	Yeah, okay, sure, but like are all instances where the mom goes to work, is it always an immediate family member who's picking up the slack?
	The burden of childcare has never exclusively been laid on the back of one woman because that's impossible.
	Women have always had help.
	That's impossible.
	Women have always had help.
	Okay, sure, they've had help, but there would not be a child care industry if it wasn't the case that women were going to work.
	And again, it's out of necessity.
	They need to make money because of the current economic status of things.
	But this childcare industry would not exist.
	So you're trying to point to where there's all these other dynamics.
	The childcare industry is just a supplement to people who can't have a familiar or familial or community system of support.
	So they need to pay for it.
	So let me ask, like a woman who, let's say, the first five years of a child's life, and then you have a woman who has a nine-to-five job, what is she, like from the hours of nine to five, where's that child going to be?
	Like I said, like I said, from the ages of one to five, there's women who make the decision to stay home and raise kids.
	But then when the kid is old enough to be in school, they generally tend to go back to work.
	They're also maternity leave from work.
	No, I'm saying there's five years.
	You think the typical maternity leave is five years?
	I'm saying I know women who stopped working, right?
	They took leave.
	I'm not talking maternity leave.
	I'm just talking they decided to stop working for a period of time when the kid was still growing up.
	And then they went back to work later.
	It's not like a lifetime commitment to being at home.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You kind of have like women sort of living.
	I don't know what you think the lifetime of women looks like, just sitting at home.
	They raise their kids.
	The kids at school, they just sit at home when the kids at school.
	Women do things.
	They might be a little bit more.
	I'm lucky enough to have them taking care of the house.
	Once you're a mom, you're like totally there, though.
	Not only that.
	You have a little thing following you around.
	When you reference prior times, yes, there was a lot of community, but ultimately, you're saying what you're, yeah, you're saying basically the same thing that we're trying to, or that I think I would promote, is that there was grandmas, there was aunts, there were maternal figures.
	So even if it's not mom, you still have the maternal figure taking care of raising the children, right?
	And I grew up going to daycare, right?
	That's all I know.
	So to me, no big deal, right?
	But I think in the last few years, as I come into new information and learn more, I see that this, again, order exists for a purpose.
	And I think that the optimal idea is for mothers to raise their children.
	I'm not arguing against mothers raising their children.
	I know, you know.
	I'm saying women don't have to sit at home their entire life because they have a kid.
	That's never been the case either.
	Women always worked.
	No, but it says alter what you're capable of doing.
	You can't just up and go to Dermie.
	You can't just, like, there's all these other responsibilities.
	Hey, chat, really quick.
	Has the stream quality been okay?
	Because somebody sent me a message telling me the stream quality has not been the best.
	I think looking at our RN, the bit rate for the stream is much lower than usual.
	We might have had some sort of internet issue.
	Chat, can you weigh in, though?
	Is the stream quality okay?
	Has it been okay?
	Maybe it's fine.
	But I'm opening up the chat.
	The floor is yours.
	Let me know, chat, if the stream quality is okay.
	There might not actually be.
	It's not great.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	It's been good.
	Good to me.
	Fine for me.
	Grainy.
	Been bad the whole time.
	It's bad.
	Oh.
	Oh, shit.
	That sucks.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure why.
	We updated the OBS before the show.
	That could have been why.
	The OBS update has been terrible.
	Yeah.
	Maybe the bitrate.
	Nick, can you hit the settings really quick?
	I don't think we're going to be able to change it, but can you go to output?
	Oh, fuck.
	Oh, shit.
	Wait.
	We might be able to change it.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	You guys continued talking.
	I'm just going to try to troubleshoot this really quick.
	Did the OBS update?
	It was so bad.
	I went back to Stream Labs.
	I was like, fuck.
	I was like, ever.
	I broke the stream.
	You said you do some sort of streaming.
	Yeah.
	What do you do?
	I just started streaming on Twitch not that long ago.
	I was doing like IRL streams on YouTube.
	I do like commentary videos too.
	But Twitchame, I've been doing like debate stuff.
	Grid, one of the big donators, really.
	Yeah, he does debates on YouTube.
	So he was the one that suggested this.
	So do you do debates?
	I just started.
	What do you debate?
	What topics?
	Modern relationships.
	We did one.
	It just depends.
	Like we did one on, oh, sex work, whether.
	It's like real work.
	You've been a commentator?
	Huh?
	You said you're a commentator, your comment on something?
	Yeah, I've done like some commentary videos.
	Yeah, that's why I started on YouTube with just like stuff and things like nostalgia, boring stuff.
	What do you guys do?
	Do you?
	I'm curious.
	Are you making money off of it?
	Is that what you sought to do?
	Yeah, it's not what I sought out to do.
	I like making videos.
	It's not like my full-time hustle or nothing, but I really enjoy making them.
	They're a lot of fun.
	And then Twitch has been really cool, like community building.
	Like, I feel like there's a lot of collaboration stuff.
	It's pretty cool.
	How do you meet people on Twitch?
	Just like if doing debate panels with them, or like I've done stupid little dating shows and stuff.
	So it's kind of cool too because it encourages you to co-stream with other people because I'll be sharing like your travel stuff.
	Oh, sorry.
	Apologies.
	I always forget.
	But what's your guys' biggest regret?
	Go.
	Sam.
	What did you say?
	Nothing.
	He's been coming on the show.
	Yeah, you read my lipstick.
	Forgive it, John.
	I did say that.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm like, on a genuine note, and this is coming from someone who got my ass like handed to me on probably three or four debates like when I started.
	Sometimes a concession goes a far way.
	And if you're just like, okay, maybe I was wrong on this part, I understand your perspective on this.
	It'll like help move the conversation along, you know?
	Oh, we were going to do the react to that thing.
	If you can pull it up, chat, it should be a little better, guys.
	The OBS update screwed me up.
	I apologize if the quality has been poor for the past, been live for like two and a half hours.
	Sorry about that, guys.
	That was my bad.
	Updated the OBS.
	Seems to have fixed one problem and then caused another one.
	You got it, Nick?
	All right.
	Make a little.
	Actually, that's good.
	So I'm unsure if I should tell my boyfriend this information.
	I've recently gone.
	Actually, we need the girl to read it because it's in a girl voice.
	Why don't you read it?
	I've recently gone official with a man I've been dating for a couple of months.
	He's kind, respectful, and considerate.
	I really think he could be the one, but something's eating at me.
	I wanted to build slowly with this man, so we didn't become intimate until after going exclusive.
	But between the first date and that point, I did see an old friends with benefits a couple times.
	Back then, I didn't think anything of it, as we weren't exclusive, but I underestimated how much he would care for my boyfriend.
	And I almost feel like I cheated on him.
	Have I done something wrong?
	Do I need to tell him?
	Will he end things with me?
	Update.
	There were mixed reactions here.
	But my gut told me I should tell my boyfriend.
	So intuitive, girl.
	He said, sorry.
	I want to be in your relationship with someone that does that.
	And then blocked me on everything.
	W. All right.
	So I want to get the panel's reaction on that.
	Thoughts?
	W.
	She said they weren't exclusive before.
	Well, to him, it was exclusive.
	Yeah.
	Fair game on her part.
	I mean, they weren't technically, you know.
	I think she should have talked to him and figured out where they were together instead of just making the decision just based on what she felt.
	But that's just me.
	It might have been forgivable too if she had just told him when she got when they made it official.
	Just so you know, I've been fucking around.
	But I think there's a component here where, let me just pull it up so I have it for reference.
	You did say she wanted to be official.
	It looked like it was going to be exclusive.
	Yeah, so she said, kind of in relation to the conversation we were having a bit earlier, she said, well, I see long-term potential with this guy.
	So I want to, you know, she wanted to build slowly with this guy.
	So she wanted to wait to have sex with him.
	All the while, during this period of time, she was fucking another dude.
	She's in the wrong.
	Well, there's some merits up because friends with benefits, you already caught that body.
	You don't got to add a new name to the list, you know?
	So it's like, I still think that's it.
	You're collecting a new Pokemon or you're like, you have your same old one, you know?
	Well, I think she cared about the guy, so she didn't.
	It's wrong.
	Yeah, you're making the statement like, yeah, I thought, you know, maybe we were going to be exclusive and I cared about you, but I still fucked somebody else anyway.
	Yeah.
	So clearly it wasn't that important.
	Yeah, she wasn't all.
	I mean, if I'm seeing someone in that capacity, I'm not going to be making it.
	And you know, put someone on something.
	So I just don't talk to nobody.
	Do you have thoughts on this?
	Yeah, I just zoned out.
	No, it was wrong on her part to entertain anything with anyone else when she's not sleeping with the dude that she wants to be with.
	Right.
	So this is going back to Julie, your notes here.
	Because you're saying, well, I'm not sleeping with somebody as quickly as you expect, blah, blah, blah.
	I guess my issue with it is like, I don't know.
	Y'all will tell a guy you're not that type of girl.
	I'm not saying you specifically, Julie.
	I'm just saying this is a phenomenon that men will encounter when it comes to dating.
	Women will be like, oh, well, I really like you and I kind of want to wait.
	You know, I see potential.
	And you'll make the guy who's worthy of a relationship wait to have sex, but you'll fuck the guy who's not quickly.
	That's confusing.
	It's like, wouldn't you reward, reward the guy who's relationship material with sex, but the guy who's just a jerk, asshole, fuckboy, whatever it is, not relationship material, you just let him hit right away.
	Shouldn't it be the opposite?
	Like, he shouldn't be able to hit, have sex with you, and the guy who's worthy of the relationship should.
	In a perfect world, you're 100% right.
	But it's very simple.
	Scarcity marketing.
	Okay, listen.
	This is the same reason I got locked in the fucking polycule, okay?
	Listen.
	I'm like, you would never consider that.
	But then when it's like, there's less of them on the market, oh damn, this guy has so many options, da-da-da-da.
	Versus if someone's simping over you slash pursuing a relationship, being like a good man, there's like something probably psychological where you're like, oh, this fuckboy is like a limited resource.
	You have my hands on this stunk at the ground floor, you know?
	Maybe when his band takes off, he'll remember that we hooked up that one time.
	This is for you, Julie, though.
	Any thoughts on this?
	I'm only going to date one person.
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	But you were saying, I guess it was stemming from our con, I know that's a little different of a circumstance, but there is this component of, you know, women who have slept with guys quickly previously, but now your standard changes for the guy who you're like, oh, I really want a relationship with you and you're so great.
	You get to wait three months, but then you done slept with other dudes super fast.
	And so as a guy looking at that, it's kind of like, and I'm not saying that's the case with you.
	It could be the case that that's always been a woman's standard.
	And look, as a woman, you could have fucked a thousand dudes within 30 minutes of meeting them.
	And then literally a day later, like the day before, you fucked a guy immediately.
	And then the day later, you can say, I'm waiting until marriage.
	You can do that.
	From the guy's perspective, that's fucking bullshit.
	That's bullshit.
	I mean, hey, it's your call.
	It's your call.
	But that's kind of a raw deal for the guy.
	But that's kind of crazy, though.
	So if you, like, if you robbed a McDonald's once and you got away with it, you're like, well, now I'm just a person who does that.
	Now, every time you get fast food, would you, you know what I'm saying?
	So if you did something that you regret.
	Okay, like that was a horrible metaphor.
	If you did something you regret.
	Okay, never mind.
	I'm going to pass the mic on that one.
	Sorry.
	I couldn't finish it.
	Also, it's just, I don't know.
	I can see the whole waiting.
	There's another component here where it's if both people are young, you know, they're like in their early 20s or like 18, 19, 20, and maybe they're a virgin or they've had sex just once or twice in a relationship.
	I can kind of see like this, like, oh, I want to wait a really long time, but like I'm 36, like I'm probably going to be dealing with, you know, women who've, it's not their first time having sex.
	It's like, okay, oh, you want to wait three months?
	Okay.
	Well, can I ask the question?
	Sure.
	Do you want women to be sexually available all the time or sexually unavailable all the time?
	Happy medium.
	Because men seem to not know which one it is.
	Do you want women to always relent to sex?
	Or if they do relent to sex, are they then disgusting?
	Well, I'll tell you my framework.
	So I'll tell you my framework.
	I think both men and women should be pursuing long-term serious relationships.
	I think you should only be sleeping with people where there's an intention of having something long-term.
	That might not always work out.
	Maybe it doesn't work out, but that should at least be the intention.
	If you're in fucking, I don't know.
	Apply your.
	I'm trying to think of a, I don't know, you're in spring break, Miami, and there's some dude who lives on the opposite side of the country.
	You're both in a different, you're on vacation.
	The long-term potential there is really, really, really low.
	Probably shouldn't just fuck him for the fun of it.
	So that's my perspective.
	So I think that women shouldn't just be fucking a bunch of dudes.
	Neither should men.
	Okay.
	But at least my perspective, I also don't really believe in waiting long extended periods of time.
	But and maybe that, look, perhaps I'm an outlier and I think maybe women will move in certain ways because they've been screwed over by guys, whatever.
	And vice versa.
	But my intention, if I'm sleeping with a girl, is for there to be continuity.
	Because I'm not interested in the one-time thing.
	It doesn't interest me.
	You're an exceptional man because a lot of men, that's not the metric.
	There's a lot more men than girls out there.
	Like if you say that you want to do it, then you're waiting and you say that you don't care, then you don't care.
	But to say that you want to wait and then do the opposite, I mean, that's not going to be a good thing.
	I want a woman who's sexually available for me.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	But do you.
	So the woman who's sexually available, do you want to be serious with her or is she just there to be sexually available?
	This is what he said.
	He's serious.
	Oh, okay.
	So that's unique because most men just want the sexual availability and not the relationship.
	I don't think that's, I don't think that's true.
	I think men.
	Not most.
	Okay.
	I'm generalizing.
	There's a lot of great men out there.
	And I think so much.
	It's a common, it is a common occurrence, though.
	I'm not making it up.
	You're actually like really lonely.
	Yeah, well, there's the lonely days you're not figuring out.
	I think it's lonely, Stan.
	I think there's, yeah.
	But I think men and women are different in the sense that, like, I need to be in quote unquote, well, not quote unquote, just in love, or very much so in that direction before I am actually able to give myself to someone, right?
	I don't think a man needs to, a man doesn't generally need to be operating in that way.
	Well, I don't think women necessarily are operating.
	Well, I can only speak for myself.
	Right.
	Because, I mean, the various panels that have been on you.
	But like, has that been the case for like all the men you've been?
	No, not all the men.
	I mean, I can understand her now.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Yeah, I can entertain.
	I can go back to when I met my husband.
	I had dated a couple people before that.
	And I realized, well, if I do engage in sex with them, nothing happens.
	That it's over.
	So, so in fact, and it wasn't virtual signaling, it was like, hey, I want this relationship to work.
	The last time or two that I was with someone and I slept with them earlier, it didn't work.
	So, I'm going to wait this time.
	And I did, and that resulted in a marriage.
	Now, granted, that's just one example, but fast forwarding to now, I was heavily into scripture and things like that for the last few years.
	And I just began to look at everything differently.
	So, but ultimately, I need to be in love.
	I'm sorry, three dates, that ain't happening unless we're talking every day, so on and so forth, and our dates are spread, you know, good far and a few apart.
	I just can't do that.
	So, I don't think we should get a bad rap for that.
	I think where I'm coming from is very genuine.
	I don't think it's community.
	It's just a hard sell as a guy to hear, okay, a woman's had like multiple one-night stands, and then, oh, but so it's like you're, you don't have to.
	I've never had a one-night stand.
	So, but okay, have you had sex with a guy who you did end up in a long-term relationship relatively quickly?
	Like, first, second, third date?
	I've only had two long-term relationships, minus my high school boyfriend.
	So, you've had sex with two guys, three guys, or no, I mean, sorry.
	You said long-term relationships, so sex that resulted in a long-term relationship.
	That was twice.
	Okay.
	Wait, you've only had two long-term relationships.
	No, I got myself all tangled up here.
	No, I'm not contradicting myself.
	I'm thinking I misunderstood your question.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I guess it's just a hard sell for a guy to be like, all right, you know.
	But three dates?
	Like, how do you think?
	That's generous on the guy's part.
	Three dates.
	I know, I've heard you say one at one in two people.
	Yeah, first date.
	I'm fine with it.
	But I don't think most men are going to sleep with a woman on the first date and be like, and call you back the next day and say, hey, baby, when are we going out?
	I don't think, I think you're an outlier in that regard.
	It's so situational.
	It is.
	You'd be fine with.
	I wouldn't, okay.
	I wouldn't hold it against the girl if I've gone to know her.
	I'm like, okay, there's long-term potential here.
	Whether we sleep together on the first, second, or third date, I'm not going to necessarily hold.
	Like, for example, you would agree it's logically possible a woman who's a virgin could sleep with you immediately.
	Like, it's possible that that could happen.
	And in fact, I think a lot of women, not all women, but a lot of women have lost their virginity, not in the confines of some long-term relationship where you waited years, but it was a lot of women had like a casual hookup, lost their virginity there.
	Not all women, but so it is possible that a woman who does sleep with you quickly isn't necessarily a hoe.
	She ain't necessarily a strumpet.
	But she very well might be.
	She could be.
	But you could just ask her.
	What's your body count?
	Boom.
	I feel like we have so many dates.
	You know, first time I never do this.
	I feel like she lesser then for having had sex with you.
	Like she's now, in your estimation, not as pure that she's had sex with you.
	He just said not necessarily.
	Not necessarily.
	But sometimes.
	If she slept with.
	Well, here would be the only dimension.
	If she's in recent hit, well, hold on, let me see how I want to frame this.
	If she's done that with other men a lot.
	Other men have the same expectation as you.
	They want sex.
	But so I guess it there, there's not necessarily, from my perspective, I'm not going to necessarily Judge her in a negative light because she's chosen to have sex with me quickly.
	But if she just fucked another dude last week, then I'm going to be looking at, I'm going to be doing an analysis of her other form, like her promiscuity as it relates to other men.
	Patterns of behavior.
	Does your promiscuity make you a hoe?
	He's a virgin.
	I'm a virgin, yeah.
	I keep forgetting you're a virgin.
	How much time have you?
	How can you?
	So, someone you're dating or just beginning to date, how much time do you spend or invest talking to them before the first date and in between two and the second and third date?
	Do you talk a lot?
	Are you staying?
	I guess it depends.
	I don't want to, it depends on the context of how we're meeting.
	Like, for example, if I almost want to give like the normal guy answer to this, but for example, I've had a lot of dating experiences where, you know, women have seen my show and they've reached out to me.
	Groupies.
	I wouldn't call them groupies, but if you want to call them groupies or whatever.
	So I've had that experience where they're coming to me.
	So that's not the normal guy experience, though.
	So I don't know if I want to give my specific anecdotal perspective on it that does not apply to most men.
	Do you think other men who've had promiscuous sex lives are hoes?
	Well, hold on.
	Your friends, right?
	Like your friends, your male friends who've had a lot of sex, are they degenerates?
	Like, are they lessened by the sex that they've had?
	I don't want to date them, so I'm not viewing them from.
	No, no, but I'm saying from a moral perspective, not from a, do you want to date them?
	I'm saying, like, do you see them as lesser than for having had a lot of sex?
	I would say that there are differences between men and women on this specific topic.
	I'm not in favor of promiscuity in men or women.
	Okay.
	But I do think there are some differences.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just for condoms.
	I'm like, everyone that is like haters like promiscuity.
	I'm like, just rubber.
	I'm actually out to condoms.
	You are?
	Yeah, me too.
	I'm actually allergic to condoms.
	What's allergic to condoms?
	I'd rather just not have sex.
	How are you allergic to condoms, but you don't have the four kids?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	You're an incel, yeah.
	Like, men, I think to your thing, though, men aren't as penalized by women.
	Oh, okay.
	Well done.
	You got to be careful.
	Hold on, let's.
	Did it break or is it intact?
	Okay.
	All right, we're good.
	Okay, maybe can you scoot your chair in so people aren't hitting the thing?
	Sorry, there's not much.
	I forgot what I was saying.
	Sorry, we got a little distracted there.
	So men are different.
	How men are different with promiscuity than women?
	Yes, men are different.
	I agree.
	Yeah, we are.
	Hold on.
	There was a chat that I needed to get to.
	One sec.
	Oh, this is from MasterMonkey Man34.
	Women have no capacity to govern themselves.
	They require the good governance of men.
	Female philosopher Ben Zhao, okay?
	The woman who is pro-cutting boys clearly has no man.
	Governing her saddle.
	I'm just Jewish.
	That's why I'm pro.
	Okay.
	That's my answer to why I'm defending circumcision.
	Oh, you should have made that clear.
	Well, I didn't want it to be the first thing people were thinking about.
	Well, yeah, but your justification for the defense, your basis for the defense is your religious conviction.
	I just don't see how it's, again, I already said my piece on that issue.
	You don't see how it's what?
	Mutilation.
	Barbaric towards men as they spend their entire lives having not even known they were circumcised unless someone told them.
	What?
	Wait, you don't think.
	Oh, they know.
	It's very dramatic for them.
	I'm saying if no one, if no, if they were not aware socially of what circumcision was, there would have been no mental or physical impairments for men having been circumcised.
	They don't even.
	It doesn't, it's not a, it's not a.
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	Men who've been circumcised, they suffer their entire life and die in misery because they had their foreskin removed.
	I'm sorry.
	Wait, so you think that because you don't view this specific issue as it doesn't reach a certain threshold of male suffering, that it's not.
	I mean, it's insane.
	You're saying every Jewish man is in hell, I guess.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what you guys are arguing.
	No, I'm saying, like, as someone raised in a community as being around Jewish men, I didn't notice that any of them were like mourning every day their foreskin.
	They woke up every morning and said, God, I wish I had my fourth...
	Right, but I mean, if...
	If it wasn't mutilation, though, they'd be able to do it at any stage.
	It's mutilation because they have to have it like pretty much done as a baby so they don't remember.
	It's more painful when you're aware of it, when you're already grown, when you're 13.
	How do we not know it's just as painful for the baby?
	It's just not as painful because they don't talk.
	I mean, the baby, everything is painful.
	I mean, the entire birth is agony for everybody involved.
	So, you know, I'm just, since I, I'll just read something here.
	So there's a study.
	Infant circumcision may lead to social challenges as an adult undergoing circumcision as an infant has delayed psychological complications.
	This is shown by an international study led by researchers from Arhus University.
	I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.
	They've long disagreed about the health implications also for mental health of small boys being circumcised.
	A study now shows that infant circumcision, which is the case for a third of the world's male population, has consequences in adulthood.
	Let's see.
	We wanted to challenge the assumption that there are no delayed consequences of infant circumcision apart from the purely physical because of the absence of foreskin.
	So they documented something about emotional stability.
	Stressed infant.
	According to the researcher, the study links the state of stress that infant circumcision triggers in the infant with the altered behavior which is first revealed as an adult.
	Our findings are especially interesting for coming parents who want to make an informed choice about circumcision on behalf of their child, but are also directed at anyone who wishes.
	Okay, blah, blah, blah.
	That's not important.
	Let's see.
	The study showed that men who had undergone circumcision as an infant found it more difficult to bond with their partner and were more emotionally unstable.
	While the study did not find differences in empathy or trust, infant circumcision was also associated with stronger sexual drive as well as a lower stress threshold.
	I mean, you can just, I mean, that's what the study seems to indicate.
	You also realize that there are some.
	Okay, the Jewish community is very deeply troubled.
	I apologize.
	That's not, hold on.
	No, I'm saying the men are.
	Can you actually be good faith and not straw man my position at every.
	No, I just live my life and see men suffering from being circumcised.
	Can you acknowledge that, look, here's what I can do.
	I'll be good faith.
	There are people who get circumcised that move through life without any issues or complications with circumcision.
	Can you acknowledge that there are people who do get circumcised who either, let's just go with physical, like for example, the actual surgical procedure can cause harm?
	Okay.
	Sure, yes.
	Vaccines can cause harm.
	Everything that's done to a child when they come out of the birth canal can cause harm.
	It's like risk versus reward.
	Like he's saying, like, we understand why it's okay.
	There's a 50-50 chance that something won't happen, but if there's nothing going to happen, we're beating a dead person.
	Yeah, I don't even want to say, I don't even really care.
	Men can do what they want.
	Moving it on.
	We have Lucas, chair two and three.
	Be precise.
	That's not what my prior post stated.
	It stated that a grown cohort of women, not all women, are behaving appallingly.
	Feminism and sisterhood is running cover for this disgusting and entitled behavior without a morsel of accountability.
	Leave that up for a sec, Nick.
	Can you guys respond?
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't understand all your big words.
	What's up, David?
	Be precise.
	I'm sorry.
	You got to break it down into small baby words.
	Yeah, we don't get it.
	I didn't go to college.
	I still don't get it.
	I went and I don't get it either.
	You know what a cohort is, right?
	It started at a growing group of women.
	Not all women are behaving appallingly.
	Feminism is a sisterhood running.
	What is this appalling behavior?
	I'm wondering.
	Yeah, you're referring to his earlier super chat where he was talking about because he was saying the gripe with the podcast.
	Is the appalling behavior having sex with men who want sex with them?
	Is that what he's referring to as appalling?
	No, he's saying that you're referring to his earlier super chat where he said that your gripe with the podcast is that it shines a light on women basically behaving appallingly.
	That's all.
	Oh, that, oh, that.
	That's your gripe with the podcast.
	Let's be real again.
	My gripe is that it shines an exclusive light and it's not equal opportunity.
	It's saying we are the sole source of every problem that exists and not it's mutual.
	I don't think anyone's saying that, I think.
	Well, the focus is on our appalling behavior, right?
	Not their appalling behavior.
	No, that's the shtick.
	That's not what you're doing.
	That's not like.
	I'm just saying equal opportunity, appalling behavior.
	Right, but I'm just, I feel like these are all like micro and micro things that you're looking at when you're referring to these examples.
	So when you say like, oh, yeah, well, why are we only looking at our dating history, not his?
	Well, he's the host.
	Well, it's we're only picking on women.
	That's the shtick of the podcast.
	I'm like, I'm going to need some broader like societal implications for me to like buy into what you're saying.
	Not like specific niche situations where it's like, yeah, of course my boss has more power than me.
	Well, women are deemed to have less value for having by what metric?
	By people, the general opinion of people who agree with him.
	If anything, isn't he giving like more women platforms than other people?
	Like what he like it's I know what you're saying.
	Like if I'm gonna do devil's advocate, you know what I'm saying?
	I mean, I don't know.
	He's got us here to show how terrible we all are, right?
	No, terrible.
	No, I'm not gonna say he's in a defender.
	No, but isn't that what he's arguing?
	He's asking us what we've done and is it bad or not?
	Maybe for you, but I don't feel that way.
	He's not whatsoever.
	If that's not what he's doing, then I am, again, misinterpreting.
	What he's doing then.
	We're looking at the new ones.
	Wait, sorry.
	Shaw's gone, but can you repeat what you said, I guess?
	We're back to.
	No, hold on.
	Let's go ahead.
	Again, what am I trying to do?
	I don't know.
	It was about one of those questions.
	Yeah, what am I trying to do?
	Point the focus being on the appalling behavior of women entirely.
	I'm saying there needs to be an equal focus on everyone's appalling behavior.
	We all are.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	So you're saying there needs to be an equal focus on appalling behavior?
	Yes, I'm saying it's not exclusive to women.
	Okay, so you must be an anti-feminist then.
	Why is it that feminists only focus on the appalling behavior of men?
	Wow.
	There's something really objectionable then with the feminist movement because there's not a lot of criticisms that feminists make directed towards women and you only look at, for example, crime statistics as it relates to men, you want to pay attention to the menu.
	I'm saying men and women have equal appalling behavior.
	But that's not saying that, and it's not even my actual position.
	Right, but you're like, oh, Brian, why do you do that?
	You're only focusing on women.
	That's the entire genesis.
	I'm not blaming everything on men.
	I'm just pointing out that the point of view...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy?
	I believe that there's disrespect towards women in the world.
	That's not answering the question.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy theory?
	Ah, your answer is that this is going to BTFO you because it's going to point out your hypocrisy.
	Again, I'm saying by trying to blame everything on women.
	Answer the question.
	You don't care what I'm saying?
	Then why are you asking me?
	No, hold on.
	Because you're trying to just answer the question.
	I'm trying to.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy?
	I'm fucking bored.
	Or do you believe in the patriarchy theory?
	I don't have to.
	Yes.
	Oh.
	And explain what the patriarchy is?
	It's a fundamental social consciousness that disrespects women for doing the same things that men do.
	No, but what?
	For doing the same things men do.
	Okay, that's a result of the patriarchy.
	What is the patriarchy?
	It's a social consciousness.
	It's what your opinion is.
	What is the social consciousness?
	It's how we move around in the world and look at each other.
	Patriarchy is the social consciousness.
	It's a lot of things.
	It's legal, it's cultural, it's artistic, it's in every, it manifests in everything.
	What is the patriarchy?
	Oh, my God.
	Before it was structural, and in some countries, it still is structural.
	Again, not in this one.
	I'm not asking whether it's structural or not structural.
	What is the patriarchy?
	In this country, specifically.
	Sure.
	In which country are we talking about?
	Let's say the United States.
	All right.
	In this country, it's cultural because it's no more, it's not necessarily legal anymore.
	It used to be legal.
	It used to be enshrined in law.
	Hold on.
	You're literally not answering the question.
	I'm not asking if it's legal or illegal or whatever.
	What is the patriarchy?
	I'm looking for a definition.
	I'm looking for a descriptor of what it is.
	I think I've said it.
	It's this awareness of women as being denigrated by doing the same things men are doing.
	Hold on, aren't you like a feminist academic?
	Why can't you answer the question?
	I'm not an academic.
	I'm just a student.
	You're a PhD student.
	Okay, I'm a student.
	You're not an academic.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I haven't published the academic.
	You're working on your dissertation for yourself.
	Okay, but I haven't published it yet.
	I'm not an academic.
	Well, yes, you are.
	I'm a research student, yeah.
	Okay, am I misusing the term academic?
	Academic is someone who's been published and is like well known.
	I'm not that it's just like a discrepancy, right, in society, right?
	Like feminism.
	Let's start with that definition.
	It's the discrepancy of...
	It's the point of view that women are lesser than for behaving in equally human ways as men.
	There we go.
	We're seen as lesser than them for behaving equally as human as they are.
	And you're saying that?
	Because we're held to a different standard.
	Like he said, he has a different standard.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	It's the different standard.
	Okay, but what is the patriarchy?
	That's what I wanted on top of it.
	I just said what I just give it a question.
	It's the different standard that women are held to.
	In this country specifically.
	It's held to a different standard.
	Yes, when it comes to our behavior, because if we behave as equally human as men, if we have things that we behave badly, everyone behaves badly.
	To point it only as women are badly behaved, so they're bad.
	Okay, but under but hold on.
	So the patriarchy, let me just make sure I understand this.
	So, your criticism of me is that I disproportionately paint women as bad.
	Okay, I'm well, isn't that the point of this?
	When?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what's the what is your evidence for the claim if it's not again if it's not self-evident?
	I don't want to point out.
	Like if people are bad and you collect a group of people, right?
	It's just like why the crime demographics might be higher in like a specific thing.
	Here, let me.
	You gather more women, you're going to have more bad women than you.
	What have I said?
	Like, if you have more women, oh my god, bro.
	You want women to be sexually available, and when they are, they become lesser than for being sexually available.
	It's a double thing.
	It's like, what do you actually want?
	Oh, my God, bro.
	What words have I said that have led you to that conclusion?
	You said you want women to be sexually available to you, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, are you the only man on earth?
	Do other men not want the same thing as you do?
	He said to him in a relationship.
	Yeah, I acknowledge that women fuck other men besides men.
	Congratulations.
	And those men have your similar point of view.
	Straight into the mic.
	Those men have a similar point of view as you.
	Most of them share your ones maybe who watch this, they share your opinion.
	Okay, so you think it's wrong for men to expect sex, to want sex, and then immediately, once a woman gives you sex, to see her as somehow diminished.
	Hold on.
	Oh my God, bro.
	The straw manning is fucking not wrong.
	It's not straw manning.
	Did I literally say that?
	You said there's a different standard.
	You didn't.
	I literally did not say that.
	I asked you the question: Do you think men are denigrated by the sex they have?
	You said there's two different that when men have sex, I'm just referencing what you said.
	No, you're creating a complete straw man.
	You're go back in time and look at what was said.
	Repeat again.
	What did I say?
	I asked you if you thought women were lesser than after they've had sex with you.
	That they're less than that.
	That was my answer.
	You said that.
	Did I say yes?
	Did I answer in the affirmative to your question?
	There was more to that conversation, right?
	You said no.
	You said it's Matt.
	It depends on how many people.
	You said no?
	You said it depends on how many men they've had sex with, right?
	Right, but no, no, no, no, stop, That's exactly what he said.
	No, but you said that your whole claim was: Brian says, after the woman sleeps with me, that I view her as less than.
	Never, never said that whatsoever.
	That's your whole argument.
	No, that's not.
	You're putting words in my mouth.
	No, you literally.
	How am I putting words out?
	Because I'm trying to explain to you what.
	You just said it.
	You just said, Brian, you think women are less than after the sex woman?
	You said the words that there's a different metric or standard by what men, how men behave sexually.
	You said it's different, right?
	You said if men have a lot of sex, it's different than if women have a lot of sex.
	They said he's not trying to sleep with his friends, so he's not going to judge his friends.
	I said promiscuity in men and women is bad for both.
	However, there are differences.
	Okay, so is that not what I've been saying?
	No, that's not what you've been saying.
	Okay, then I'm.
	Again, it's fine.
	A book?
	A notepad?
	Purple dress?
	What?
	Yeah, what's the book?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	The book?
	Why are we talking about that?
	I don't know what you're talking about, Nick.
	She wrote a book.
	Sorry, it's.
	Are you reading the book?
	No.
	I noticed that.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Sorry if I was.
	Sorry.
	So you do that.
	Okay, can you not bring stuff to the table, please?
	I'm sorry, we've had past experiences.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	Again, it was like.
	I don't want to make this too complicated.
	I'm just saying there is a fundamental social disrespect for women.
	What is the fundamental social disrespect of women?
	It's based on how we use our bodies.
	If we use them in a way that's deemed inappropriate, then we are bad people.
	It's not that complicated.
	Do you have any preferences that relates to men?
	Not really, I mean...
	Are you straight?
	It's not a...
	It's not a person-specific thing.
	I'm saying it's a social general thing.
	I'm not saying specific to me.
	Specific to me, I would prefer if men were faithful, you know, and not having sex with a lot of women.
	So, so then you don't I'm a bit confused though, I'm a bit confused, though.
	So if I don't want a woman who has slept with a bunch of men, that's...
	No, you have the right to have that opinion.
	So...
	I'm not saying you can't think that women want to say something.
	Grid 11 wants to say something.
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	I am the patriarchy, and you know nothing of my work.
	Feminism has failed you.
	You blame men for not leading, but you refuse to see reality.
	The patriarchy has nothing to do with sex.
	Be better.
	Be better.
	Thank you, Grid 1 W's in the chat for Grid 2.
	I said it was cultural and social.
	Great, what did you get me into?
	I don't know.
	I'm just kind of confused.
	I'm kind of confused by some of your arguments here.
	They're a little incoherent, but.
	Okay.
	We have Pasty George, Chair 2.
	This podcast focuses on modern women's current views, opinions, and beliefs.
	Especially regarding dating and relationships, your own words and statements reveal what you truly believe.
	Was that directed to me?
	Chair 2.
	Yeah, that's it.
	I wasn't paying attention.
	I'm sorry.
	I checked out a little bit.
	I'm a little exhausted.
	What is it?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I'll just move it on then since there's something about me being mean at men, right?
	It's just weird.
	Like, you think it's like some gotcha, like, oh, Brian, what's the purpose of the show?
	You're trying to paint women in some way.
	Literally, your entire movement, which is fully mainstream and has seeped into all realms of society, feminism, is doing exactly what you're attempting to accuse me of.
	I have nothing against men, okay?
	I like men.
	I wish they were at the standard behaving that I wished and dreamed they would.
	I kind of doubt this.
	Let's explore this.
	Do you believe that there is a patriarchy?
	Okay, do you think men are oppressors?
	Yes, ma'am.
	Oh my god, in Saudi Arabia they are.
	I don't know what you're asking me.
	What country are we in?
	In the general sense of this idea.
	There are patriarchies currently in different places, yes.
	Illegal ones.
	Sure, United States, are men oppressors?
	In the United States, I don't think so generally.
	Like I'm saying, I'm saying it's more of a cultural thing.
	It's not a legal or economic thing because women can work and women have rights and this and that.
	Culturally, there's a patriarchy in the United States.
	Yes, if you look, examine the culture, there exists there, yeah.
	Okay, and so women, are women oppressed under a cultural patriarchy?
	I wouldn't say they're oppressed.
	IT'S JUST NOT GREAT TO BE CONSTANTLY SEEN AS OBJECT, RIGHT?
	IT'S NOT ALWAYS...
	WOULD THAT BE OPPRESSION UNDER THE FEMINIST WORLD VIEW?
	TO BE SEEN AS NOT A SUBJECT BUT AN OBJECT?
	Yeah, sure.
	That is.
	Women are oppressed in the United States?
	You're twisting my words there.
	No, I'm asking you, are women oppressed in the United States?
	No, not legally or economically.
	But culturally they are.
	I wouldn't call it an oppression.
	I would call it just a leftover of a previous system.
	Okay, so back when America was a patriarchy, when women, which was before women got the right to vote, right?
	Which was when women were property considered.
	Well, not really, but the yes, historically, yes.
	Women were considered economically and socially property.
	That's fine, and legally at a certain point.
	I forgot the exact dates, but you can check.
	So there hasn't been a patriarchy since 1920 when the number of people.
	That was a very big moment, yeah, when women got the right to vote.
	That's when things started to go a different direction.
	So patriarchy ceased entirely after then?
	There have been leftovers, right?
	There have been the things still reverberate from when it was a real system.
	It's not a real system anymore.
	It's a moral reverberations.
	It's not a real system, right?
	Because it's not enshrined in the law anymore, okay?
	But in some countries, it is.
	Here it's not.
	We beat the patriarchy.
	Okay, so the.
	I mean, feminism, again, I don't know why everyone is against it because it allowed us to be doing whatever we're doing right now.
	But maybe we all want to be sitting and knitting.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what everyone's goal in life is.
	I don't understand this or enough to identify with it.
	If everyone's goal in life is to be sitting at home and having their husband beat them because they can't make their own money.
	I'm not asking for that.
	Yeah, because I'm asking.
	Because I'm not a self-identified feminist.
	It's women who don't want economic independence.
	They want to be at the mercy of their husband.
	That's what you're arguing for.
	That's very anti-women.
	Economically, because they're not self-sufficient.
	Because they're not self-sufficient.
	No, you're inventing us.
	I think that the term feminism has definitely changed over the years, right?
	At one point in time.
	It used to be real.
	Maybe it won't.
	You can't put it in.
	At one point in time, feminism meant, okay, the right to vote, and then that was done with.
	And then it meant the right to have whatever job you wanted.
	I can tell you that's done with.
	So I guess it's like, what is it?
	Yeah, what more would you like?
	I'm saying it exists in a much more real way in other places.
	Here, I'm saying it's not as much of a real thing.
	It's more of just like a like I get, like I said, a social, a cultural thing.
	It's a idea of feeling a vibe.
	A vibe, yeah, it's a vibe.
	It's a bad vibe.
	It's not.
	It's bad vibes, man.
	I've got to look at it.
	I'm going to generalize like women that want husbands to stay at home that they get beat.
	That's like extreme.
	It's like this reactionary thing, right?
	There's a reactionary movement now with men, right?
	They want to go back.
	Well, back to what?
	Who's the menu?
	Well, look, that was always men.
	I work in a field with men all day.
	Yeah.
	Equality is alive and well because it is.
	You could have whatever job you want, right?
	Yes.
	In my job, yes.
	Maybe, right?
	This happens a lot.
	Maybe a man looks at me and thinks they kind of toss me to the side at first, right?
	You're not going to take my opinion seriously.
	You're not going to think that my work is going to be of equal value of yours.
	But as soon as I do the job, right, my work speaks for itself, and then you're going to take me seriously.
	But if a man automatically has that feeling when they look at me, to be honest, that is a fair generalization.
	Okay.
	Most women are not going to be able to compete to the capacity of a man.
	So if you look at me and that's your first thought, I'm fine with that because that's a fair generalization.
	I have to prove to you that my work is of equal value and I'm okay with that too.
	So here's my main argument.
	Just like people.
	I don't want to let men convince us we want to go back to when we didn't have it good.
	Like now we have it okay, right?
	There's this movement to convince women that we're very unhappy with the way things are and we want to go back to a previous era.
	I don't think that's what we're saying.
	Nobody needs to convince anybody of anything because you have the right to pick whatever you want.
	So you really don't need any convincing.
	If you want to live a life at home, you can live a life at home.
	I think when you take away the options, any extreme is no good, right?
	So when you take away options, then yeah, things start to change.
	I mean, but you have as many options as you want available.
	So, you know, I feel like why are women more depressed now?
	I feel like they're anti-depressive.
	And everyone's more depressed now because things suck equally everywhere.
	I feel like the crux of why it feels like pressure might feel like we're tagging against you is because we'll get to the crux of why your argument doesn't work.
	And instead of just being like, okay, I can see on this, you'll pivot the goalpost instead of just like acknowledging that that was like maybe not the right.
	I'm just trying to point out that don't let men convince you we want to go back to what was before.
	Right, which is three arguments ago because it like just keeps moving.
	That's my only real point.
	Are you taking my option away to be barefoot and pregnant?
	No, you have that right.
	You can do whatever you want.
	I'm just saying not all.
	I started with that.
	I'm saying if all of us have to be barefoot and pregnant, that's when the point.
	I'm just saying if all of us are forced to be barefoot and pregnant, that'll be a problem.
	Nobody's forcing you.
	But nobody asks for equality either.
	Whatever.
	I asked for equality.
	Speak for yourself.
	She said nobody asked for equality.
	I'm going to speak for myself.
	It's fine.
	Nobody asked for equality.
	All right, we have some chats here.
	According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, FGM is a human's rights violation.
	There are laws prohibiting FGM.
	I don't know of any such protections for males.
	You can add that as well as mandatory DNA testing at birth to the list, Brian.
	Yes.
	It's added to the list.
	Added to the list.
	Thank you so much.
	We're going to do some sort of men's rights organization going.
	If anybody can help out, whether it's through activism, if you can support it in some way, like if there's any attorneys, for example, willing to do some pro bono work, legal activism, we'll do it.
	Christopher Scott, oh no, Brian focuses on women's abhorrent behavior, but most of mainstream media expound men as the problem.
	Oh no.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That wasn't addressed to anyone.
	Who is that addressed to?
	You got speaking to the mic, but I think you're the only person that's claimed that his podcast is like perpetuating misogyny.
	So I'm saying he's waging psychological warfare to convince women we're unhappy and we want to go back to the way things were.
	Psychic war.
	What?
	Yeah, that's it.
	Brilliant.
	Another goalpost.
	I've never heard of that.
	Another goalpost.
	Actually, I'm not even sure who the audience is for this.
	Maybe he's preaching to the choir.
	He's convincing men that things are bad and need to go back.
	When did he say go back?
	I'm like, I feel like.
	I don't even know what the hell you're doing.
	Like, go back.
	Go back to the way things were before, legally and economically, for women.
	I think it sucks that women find jobs.
	Women can't.
	No one made that argument, though.
	Yeah, women can't choose to be really at home and just be a housewife, even if they really wanted to.
	I think that does suck because they're 82 incomes now.
	Yeah, so that sucks.
	Yeah, that does.
	Then we should all go back to the way things were because people were happy.
	We all just said three times.
	No one is saying that.
	And then you say, well, I guess you're right.
	I guess we should do that.
	I'm like, well, everything is so good.
	What is the objective, though?
	What's the objective here to convince women?
	No, to respond to what we're actually saying is the objective right now.
	Like what we're actually saying, because every time we point it out, it moves.
	Like, I've seen the same thing over and over.
	I feel like, no?
	What is the objective of feminism?
	The right of women to be people equally as men.
	And do women not have that?
	They do.
	So what is what is the ongoing purpose of feminism, if that's the case?
	Again, in cultures where women have already achieved real equality, it's just the remnants of trying to fix more deeper BS conceptual stuff.
	And in other places, it's a real thing.
	I'm saying there's plenty of the world where it's a real thing still.
	Of the things that they're still trying to fix in the United States, for example, what would that be?
	I guess they're just trying to have a society where women are seen as not, you know, hoes for the same behavior as men.
	I don't know.
	It's again, socially, culturally, women not to be seen as objects, to be seen as subjects.
	Don't they make themselves equal to the men?
	Do you think the draft should be equalized?
	Sure, like in Israel.
	Absolutely not.
	Okay.
	Why not?
	Why not?
	It should be equalized.
	Isn't there stronger advocation from feminists to well there is in some places?
	This is not a mainstream feminist position that they're like marching in the streets.
	Mainstream feminism doesn't is like pacifists.
	They don't want any war.
	It's like anti-war generally.
	I think a little bit infantilizing war.
	It's a lot of modern feminism to be like, oh, yeah.
	People look at me.
	Again, they just don't see me as the same opportunity.
	Exactly what she said.
	Maybe, like what you said, how it's just a cultural vibe basically left over.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	All right, we have Ryu here coming in.
	Ryu, $2,985 donated $200.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Appreciate it.
	Who do you think is more abusive in a relationship?
	Women or men?
	Whether it be physically or emotionally, or both?
	It's for you.
	Why is everything real?
	Why is every question?
	Yeah, do you want to answer the question?
	Who's more abusive?
	I don't know.
	What are the statistics?
	I don't know who's more abusive.
	I think what does your feminist propaganda tell you?
	Objective reality says that most violent crimes are committed by men.
	The statistics, yeah, the statistics are men, but like in a relationship.
	In a race, but men are not believed that they can be psychologically tortured by women, so they usually don't say anything.
	So there's not going to be many statistics on it.
	I think more people are speaking out about it now.
	Like men don't believe men.
	Women abuse men.
	I'm not saying this is, again, two-way street, right?
	Ryu, do you want to pose a follow-up to her on this?
	It seems like you're perhaps trying to get to something.
	He was asking, though, specifically about relationships.
	You were pointing to that men are more likely to commit violent crimes, for example.
	What do you think about this, though?
	If we look at homosexuality in relationships, if you look at, for example, well, you compare and contrast heterosexual relationships to homosexual relationships, you find the following.
	Domestic violence rates are highest in lesbian relationships.
	In the middle, you have heterosexual relationships, and the lowest incidence of domestic violence is in gay, so two-men relationships.
	How would you then go ahead and reconcile the fact that when you have two women in a relationship, the incidence of violence is actually the highest?
	And then when you have two men who I think you would say, well, men are more likely to be violent, the incidence of violence is the least.
	And in heterosexual relationships, it's lower than when there's two women in a relationship.
	Well, a lot of violence against women is committed outside of a relationship.
	Okay, that's great.
	But we're talking about within the confines of a relationship.
	And then, hold on.
	The majority of violence is also, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	By women, women are attacking men.
	How would that matter?
	It matters statistics.
	Yeah, so let's get back to the actual original one, though.
	Do you want to contend with my point?
	That lesbians are beating each other to death?
	I don't know.
	I guess it's not good.
	It's not good.
	It's not good.
	I'm against it.
	I'm against a little dismissive of women who are victims of abuse in lesbian relationships.
	Again, that's a specific subset of being in a relationship.
	That's a very, that's a statistical little thing.
	Most violence is committed outside of relationships.
	Okay, cool, but let's talk about relationships because that's what we're talking about.
	It's bad.
	I'm not, again, I'm not trying to blame men for everything.
	I think we're equally can beat each other and abuse each other and it's abuse bad.
	Abuse is bad.
	Yeah, that's my hot take.
	I don't like it.
	I'm not a fan of lesbians committing sexual violence against each other.
	Okay, but what do you have to say about when we are doing an analysis of these relationships?
	You put two women in a relationship, they're far more likely to physically abuse each other than when you put two men in a romantic relationship.
	Well, the men can take each other, right?
	That's crazy.
	It's a power.
	It's a power imbalance, right?
	There's no power imbalance generally in a gay relationship.
	You want to lean on the statistics and then when it's like, okay, well, what about this statistic?
	It's like, oh, well, that's, they don't report it.
	It's dismissive of men.
	It's literally sexist in the other way.
	I mean, if we're completely discounting the reality of everything, then yeah, you know, I'm proven wrong about violence and who commits it.
	We're talking about in-relationship violence, specifically.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Let me just frame it like this.
	You're saying, well, in the West, there are women in other countries who face worse oppression due to their gender than in the United States.
	So should we then dismiss, because you would still say, though, that there are disadvantages women face even in modern Western first world countries.
	Can I then dismiss that because there's women in other countries who are facing conceivably worse levels of oppression or sexism?
	You can dismiss it again.
	I'm saying it's not what It would be a fallacy of relative privation.
	I'm saying this idea of pointing to like appeal to a greater problem.
	The point of feminism.
	Appeal to a greater problem.
	This idea that, oh, well, there's starving children in Africa, so this specific thing that we're talking about now doesn't matter because there's a worse thing happening somewhere else.
	It's fallacious.
	the point of feminism here in the united states is to prevent a regression right to keep to Yeah, prevent us from going backwards and stay in the present with how things are.
	Not to repeal things, repeal laws, right?
	There's a push to repeal certain laws that grant us certain rights, right?
	Okay, love it.
	Anyways, I'm going to move on.
	We have Pacey George chair too.
	Do you know that 300 years ago, before men and women had the right to vote, both sexes, except royalty and their lackeys, were considered objects for many things, including slavery?
	That's crazy.
	Yes, men enslaved other men.
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	That's the thing that happened.
	Do you think, question though, do you think that men deserve either historical or current disadvantages because the perpetrators of their oppression shared their gender?
	What are the current disadvantages of men?
	Can you explain them to me other than circumcision?
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, if we're going to look at statistics, men are more likely to unalive themselves.
	They're more likely to be homeless.
	They're more likely to die on the job.
	They're more likely to be.
	Is that because society is structured against you?
	The laws are making you commit.
	Aren't you a feminist?
	Wouldn't you argue that patriarchy also hurts men?
	So if it's the case that men live under a patriarchy, wouldn't said patriarchy also hurt them?
	Okay, but what are the things that are hurting you?
	What are the things?
	No, what are the what are the what are the laws?
	What are the economic situation that's making men kill themselves?
	Their expectations crazy.
	There's not a lot.
	There's not resources.
	The economic situation.
	Okay.
	Just said it.
	Wait, so hold on.
	If it was the case that the female unaliving rate was disproportionate and it was higher than men's, I think a lot of feminists would say, this is evidence of sexism in society.
	But whenever, it's interesting, if a bad thing happens to a woman, it's because she's a woman.
	If a bad thing happens to a man, it's, well, it's his fault.
	He needs to be aware of it.
	Like, it's not because there's nothing gender-related.
	At least anything that negatively impacts man has nothing to do with their gender.
	It's because, generally speaking, the people making the laws and with the money and the power to make laws are male.
	Maybe campaigning for again, though.
	So.
	Wait, what?
	You made the laws that hurt you, right?
	Men, other men made the laws that hurt men, right?
	There's not a lot of women in government.
	There's more, but there's not a lot.
	If a group historically built a system, and I'm going to, I'm not even going to be able to do it.
	Not historically, currently.
	Okay, sure.
	That means individual members today, they can't point out how it's harmful towards them.
	Sure, it's harmful, but what is this specific thing that's making men kill themselves at a higher rate?
	Can you say like on the live or something?
	Like you said, I've never said that before on the live, yeah.
	No, no, no, hold on.
	Well, you asked me to give you ways in which men are disadvantaged in society or like how they're negatively impacted.
	So feminists would point to things that aren't like, because remember earlier you said, well, from the, there's no laws or anything that negatively impact women.
	You said it's like the culture, right?
	Okay, cool.
	The culture is making men more likely to unalive themselves.
	So why can you cite to my culture, but I can't cite to the culture?
	Okay, so what could you fix in culture that'll make men not kill themselves, not unalive themselves?
	Okay, that specific topic, I'm not an expert in like, like if you were to ask me about like, how do we resolve homelessness?
	That's not like an area where I have expertise in, but I can descriptively point out what the issue is.
	But you're not necessarily have, I mean, I could probably think of prescriptions.
	I mean, I think you're pointing out just a general, more economic reason why everything's worse, right?
	Things are bad economically for many people.
	That's why they're homeless.
	That's why what?
	No, it has nothing to do with money.
	Yeah, that's related, but you're just all over the place with that conversation.
	No, but how is it something that is related to gender in terms of men killing them?
	Hold on.
	But so, so.
	Yeah, I know it's difficult.
	So you're shifting the goalposts here.
	You asked me, okay, well, in what ways are men disadvantaged, or in what ways are men facing specifically gendered problems as it relates to men?
	And I was starting to list some for you because you doubted that it could even exist that men in today's society can suffer in a gendered way.
	And I'm pointing out to you ways in which men disproportionately suffer in the same way that feminists say, well, women disproportionately suffer in this way.
	So if it's valid for you to say women disproportionately suffer, I can also say men disproportionately suffer in this way too.
	So what has created the system that makes you disproportionately suffer?
	Feminists tend to reject that there's patriarchy.
	Again, I'm saying here in the United States, it's not as real as it is in other places.
	Hold on.
	I'm not, have I made a claim about the attribution of blame?
	No, but that's a great red herring.
	I appreciate that.
	I'm actually just looking at the ways in which men are disadvantaged.
	Which is the pointing out behavioral question you asked for.
	Not social behavioral problems.
	Yeah, men.
	Women are equally depressed.
	They just don't tend to follow through the same.
	I have a question for you.
	Do you think that, for example, when it comes to police brutality, police misconduct, incarceration rates, when it comes to African Americans, do you think that this is evidence of some sort of discrimination in the system?
	That was a lot of things at once.
	I think racism is a real thing.
	And I think economic discrimination is a real thing.
	Okay, but you would maybe agree that there, would you say that there's a there's it's disproportionate the amount of black people that are in jail as compared to white people?
	Yes, it's disproportionate, I think, statistically.
	Would you say that that's evidence of racism?
	I mean, part of it, yeah, part of it.
	I think it's a lot of things, but part of it is racism.
	So the disproportionality that exists between the incarceration rate between blacks and whites is actually orders of magnitude greater if you compare men to women.
	So then, because of this disproportion, would that be then evidence of sexism towards men as it relates to the criminal justice system?
	It wouldn't be sexism.
	Well, hold on.
	If I could point you to studies that show, for example, that men are more likely to get longer prison sentences or more likely to be convicted or more likely to, for the same crime, same circumstances, they're more likely to receive a longer sentence or even get a prison sentence.
	Maybe the women get off with just probation or something like this or have their charge more likely to have their charges dropped.
	You would have to say that's evidence of some sort of sexism towards men.
	The people who are sentencing, doing the sentencing, and writing the laws, are they men or women mainly?
	How?
	Again, why?
	It matters.
	It matters who's writing the laws, right?
	So with more.
	When you created the system that oppresses you, that's on you, right?
	You created the system.
	No, it's not because most, the vast majority of men had no say and have no power.
	It's a total red herring.
	The vast majority, but that's talking about the people in power.
	Answer my question.
	That's a separate topic.
	Who set up that system?
	Great.
	Is it evidence of sexism?
	Okay, can women be sexist towards other women?
	Can women be sexist to women?
	Can women be sexist towards women?
	Sure, yeah.
	Can men be sexist towards men?
	Can men be sexist towards men?
	Right.
	Depends on what kind of man they are.
	For a homosexual man or what is that?
	I mean, these are very general questions, and you want me to give one generalized answer.
	You're trying to hand wave away my criticism.
	You're trying to hand wave away the grievances that I'm bringing up here by saying, well, who set that system up?
	Well, you're saying it's sexist.
	It has to do with other things.
	It has to do with economics.
	Even under the feminist worldview, they argue that patriarchy also hurts men.
	Sure.
	So even under your worldview, I kind of have contentions with the patriarchy theory.
	But even under your worldview of the patriarchy's existence, it would also hurt men.
	I'm not arguing that men don't suffer.
	That's not my argument.
	Or because this country would.
	So men didn't set anything up as a monolith either.
	Most men had no say as it relates to the laws.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If there are a bunch of conservative women, which I mean, perhaps the Supreme Court is going to be aware of.
	I'm imposing hypotheticals that aren't real.
	Okay, well, if you look at the majority, just go look at who's in charge.
	Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
	Choice, yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	If it happens to be the case that we lived in a matriarchy, we don't.
	But let's say we did.
	Here.
	I'm getting some lag reported, but the numbers been made.
	It's fine.
	Okay.
	If we lived in a matriarchy and this matriarchy was anti-abortion, and you, I'm assuming you're, since you're in favor of abortion, you're inventing it.
	You're a great science fiction writer.
	We don't live in that reality.
	Oh, wow.
	Hypotheticals are to test the logic.
	Great.
	So back to my question.
	Back to my question.
	If we lived in a matriarchy and this, and there was a female president and the Supreme Court, it was like six females.
	That'd be great.
	That'd be amazing.
	That'd be wonderful.
	And they outlawed abortion entirely.
	Would that then justify in your would you be okay with abortion being illegal?
	Women wouldn't outlaw abortion.
	Hold on, just to be clear, hold on.
	The majority of pro-lifers, I think, are women.
	Women, over 50%.
	I'm not sure the majority of women are pro-lifers.
	Well, if we live for men, we don't have abortions.
	I'll even grant that it's not.
	Let's assume it's the case for the sake of the hypothetical.
	Would you then hand wave away women's complaints about the current state of affairs of the country not allowing abortions?
	Would you hand wave it away because it's a matriarchy or because women set that system up?
	Again, you're making this more complicated than I'm not.
	Just answer the question.
	Your hypothetical doesn't make sense to me.
	Your hypothetical of women being in charge and outlawing abortion.
	You're saying logically you couldn't comprehend.
	Like it's it logically possible that there could be a majority of women who are pro-life.
	Like it's logically possible that could be the case, right?
	Groups tend to act in their own favor, right?
	It's not in women's favor to outlaw abortion.
	Well, you're just saying.
	He's just saying that wait, groups.
	Wait, and do you think wait, groups act?
	Groups tend to act for themselves.
	Wait, so the patriarchy that existed that had control, why did they grant women the right to vote?
	Because of a lot of fighting on the half, on the behalf of women.
	Hold on, if it's not in the interest of the patriarchy, why did the patriarchy grant women the right to vote?
	Because of World War I, because of World War I, a lot of men were killed in World War I, and then women got the right to vote.
	Amen.
	Okay, that's incoherent.
	Back to my question.
	Why don't you engage in good faith with the hypothetical?
	If there was a matriarchy and the women in power, you know what?
	Hmm.
	Wait, Does a matriarchy or a patriarchy have to be democratic?
	It has to be.
	It doesn't, like, you would agree that the matriarchy or a patriarchy doesn't have to be democratic.
	Like, we've had patriarchies in history that were monarchies.
	You're conflating democracy with feminism and other things.
	No, no, no, no.
	Just answer the question.
	I'm trying to get to the point.
	I think what he's just lost me.
	No, literally, what he's saying.
	You're saying your problem.
	Oh, my God.
	You lost me.
	Is it logically possible?
	I think you lost them too.
	Because men make the rules.
	Your problem is men make the rules.
	He's saying if women make the rules.
	Would it make a problem?
	We don't.
	Okay, but if they did, if there was a matriarchy and this matriarchy was pro-life and prevented women entirely from getting abortions, would you be okay with the hand waving of women who lived within that matriarchy saying, hmm, I want to be able to get access to abortions?
	Would you be like, well, whoops, oh, who set that system up?
	Use a different example than abortion.
	I feel like she's like, well, women, whatever.
	I'm like, okay, they leave.
	I don't believe that everything women say and do is the correct thing.
	That's what you're saying.
	That's not answering my question.
	No, you're saying that I would believe in abortion pro-life if a matriarchy was pro-life because women, everything women say and do is correct.
	I'm really trying to understand the question.
	This is conceptually above me.
	When I've brought up male grievances, your retort, your red herring, is to say, but who set that system up?
	It's not a red herring.
	It is a red herring.
	Did women set up the laws that are making men an alive themselves?
	Right, that does not contend with the actual argument that's being made.
	So, yeah, it's a distraction from the conversation that's actually occurring.
	So, it precisely is that it is a red herring.
	Again, again, just very simply, I believe everyone suffers equally, right?
	I'm not saying anyone suffers.
	Yes, I do, for many different reasons.
	There's many different reasons people suffer other than sexism.
	My only contention is that women, right, are not lesser than men.
	That's literally it.
	That's literally it.
	Okay, then we're in agreement.
	You're a feminist.
	Congratulations.
	No, not a feminist.
	Not a feminist.
	Congratulations.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, Ryu, sorry for the delay here.
	Thank you.
	We have Chad's coming.
	Chad's coming in.
	Excuse me.
	Ryu 2985 donated $200.
	I live in MN.
	My lawyer literally told me that trying to fight for custody of my son was a waste of time because she was most likely going to get custody.
	Why is that the case?
	When I chose to leave.
	I hope you still fought for him.
	I hope that's not directed to me.
	Is it directed to me again?
	Hopefully not.
	Thank you, Ryu.
	Yeah, I appreciate it.
	Can I at least get an answer to the hypothetical?
	So, really simply, let's say, okay, here.
	I think they're suffering now.
	You're making women suffer, dude.
	That's great.
	I'm going to try to frame it.
	I'm going to try to reframe it one more time, and hopefully, I can get an answer.
	Otherwise, I'm going to just move it on, I guess.
	Okay, so let's frame it like this: you are pro-choice, and you're arguing with somebody who's pro-life.
	And in this hypothetical society that you live in, it's matriarchal.
	The president's a woman, the systems of government predominated by women.
	There's seven of nine of the justices on the Supreme Court are women.
	And there were laws passed completely outlawing abortion, and these laws were passed by women.
	And you're trying to say, well, it's really unfair that women don't have access to abortion.
	And I just, instead of actually contending with your argument for why or why not abortion should or should not be legal, I simply hand-wave it away by saying, well, who set this system up?
	Maybe you should, you women should look because at your set this system up, that's not a call to blame men.
	I'm saying, well, men should also have a problem with the laws they've set up, right?
	We literally clarified that earlier, so that doesn't work.
	If you don't agree with the way things are, you should be trying to change the way things are.
	So if you don't agree with the way things are set up currently against men, then you have the right to fight for whatever you think is set up against you.
	Right, but you're you think the society is set up against men, is what you're arguing.
	Society is unfairly prejudiced towards men.
	Yeah, you asked for you asked for examples of ways in which men said homelessness and suicide on the live content.
	You're struggling with that one.
	Sorry.
	I'm not used to euphemism.
	Forced military conscription.
	There's all kinds of things.
	There's no forced military conscription right now.
	There's only a selective service, not a draft.
	But men are in America.
	There's no draft.
	You're not being drafted, but you have to sign up for that.
	That's still an injustice.
	The selective service?
	Yes, the selective service is an injustice.
	Then they should also make women sign up for it, if that's what you're saying.
	They should, but they aren't.
	Okay, I agree with you.
	I agree with you.
	That should go right for that.
	I mean, women are in the military.
	It's not like women aren't in the military.
	Volunteer.
	And so can men.
	Right.
	They can both volunteer.
	But the current laws on the books, only men would be subject to forced military consortium.
	Okay, I agree with you.
	I think that should change.
	Why is it again?
	There's countries where women are also drafted or put into the military.
	But if there's very, very few, and even then, oftentimes, even if there was forced military conscription for women, they're not going to be put on the front lines, typically.
	Okay, I agree.
	There should be an equality there.
	I'm not disagreeing with you against conscription.
	My grandmother was in the military in the Soviet Union.
	It doesn't matter.
	I love it.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I'm going to move it on.
	Pasty George, he says, Chair Two, if feminism exists to prevent regression, then why are we in a worker shortage and birth rate crisis?
	Why are modern women voting on laws that are harmful to children and newborn life?
	Who is this for?
	Chair two.
	For you, chair two.
	Okay.
	What was it again?
	I was really not paying attention to it.
	Here, you can read it.
	Go ahead, read it.
	I'm not seeing where it is.
	It's there.
	Okay.
	It's on screen.
	Prevents, and why are we in a worker shortage?
	Okay, animals don't like to mate in captivity generally.
	That's the birth rate crisis.
	That's men and women.
	That's not just women are the sole reason for the birth rate.
	Captivity.
	What?
	Because we're living in a society that's making wanting to have kids less and less of a happy option.
	We live in a society.
	All right, that's great.
	The economic system's not great right now.
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	Oh, wait.
	We have Pasty George here.
	All right.
	He wants to continue it.
	I never got my high school diploma and have worked since I was 16, and I still can follow Brian's hypotheticals.
	Didn't you get a PhD or something?
	Stop being bad faith and stupid on purpose.
	Yeah, she wouldn't engage with high school.
	That was the hypothesis that's not based in anything.
	Okay, explain to me what a hypothetical is.
	Something like there was a bad faith hypothetical.
	How is it a bad faith hypothetical?
	Because, again, like I said, a matriarchy wouldn't vote against itself.
	No, it was literally just the exact example you used.
	You acknowledge?
	Wait, are there currently Supreme Court justices who are women who are against abortion?
	Yes, individually, there's women against abortion.
	Okay, are there pro-life women?
	Yes, but not as a mass group.
	But, okay, the proportion, my understanding, and maybe we can Google it, the proportion of pro-lifers, I think it's even more than men.
	There are more women who are pro-life than men are.
	We can go look that up.
	How much?
	Sure.
	I mean, can we, Nick, can you Google- Women are predominantly pro-life.
	In the pro-life movement, it's mostly women.
	Wait, so the pro-you just said the pro-life movement.
	That's what I'm, is that true?
	The pro-life movement is mostly women?
	I don't know the exact.
	Is there a statistic on that?
	Wait, you do realize, like, Donald Trump won the popular vote for other reasons than just sexism.
	What do you think the gender breakdown was?
	of who voted.
	Nick, find the gender breakdown for this most recent election for who voted for Donald Trump.
	Maybe I can find it too.
	This is not a political show.
	Hold on, wait.
	So.
	Okay, Donald Trump wasn't elected purely on the basis of men versus women.
	There were economic reasons.
	There were national war reasons.
	And patriarchies or matriarchies could be established not just on the sole basis of the abortion topic.
	Okay, if anyone can follow him, good luck to them.
	That's exactly what I said.
	I was like, use a different example because the abortion follows for women.
	You're trying to make it complicated for no reason.
	Question for you.
	How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning?
	I didn't, actually.
	I don't feel great.
	That's why I looked at it.
	You can't engage me.
	No, I just.
	I didn't.
	I didn't eat breakfast.
	The PhD fell for it.
	I didn't eat breakfast.
	Yes.
	Yeah, what?
	How would you feel if you didn't eat it?
	What's the big thing I fell for?
	Yeah, but how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast?
	I'd feel bad right now.
	I feel bad.
	I didn't eat breakfast.
	Right, but I'm like, I'd feel bad.
	That's my answer.
	You failed the hypothetical test.
	I'd feel bad.
	I'd feel strong.
	No, but you said you didn't eat breakfast.
	I like to live in some semblance of reality, which is why I'm not good at these hypotheticals because they have no basis in anything.
	I mean, why are you a feminist then if you like to live in reality?
	Oh, okay, you won.
	We should all be Saudi Arabian.
	We should all be veiled.
	It's so unfair to jump from one extreme to the other.
	You're like, I guess we're just a Saudi Arabia.
	have a breakdown?
	I don't understand why you're...
	No, no, no, can you pull it up?
	How many pieces do you have?
	How do you think I feel?
	How do you think I feel right now?
	Okay.
	Okay, 44.
	Wait.
	Oh, they're still talking about this.
	Hold on.
	Can you find just like something on pro-life, though?
	Like, gender breakdown in the pro-life movement?
	Just curious.
	Just curious.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean for this to happen.
	All these women hate you now.
	You can be really quiet the whole time.
	I've got to give Chair 2 a little break, okay?
	Yeah, we do.
	Come on.
	Yeah, we need to talk to you.
	Don't worry, we're going to investigate your electrical skills.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's going to be coming all about.
	I'm going to reach a light bulb.
	There it is.
	Wait, you just.
	Brian, there's a lot of different ones.
	And a lot of them are surveys.
	Just show me one.
	That's fine.
	We won't linger on it.
	Show me what you got.
	Young women more likely than young men to strongly oppose.
	Wait, strongly oppose.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, but I'm looking more so.
	Ah, so that's on our side.
	Whatever say oppose or so, they don't want it.
	Oppose abortion restrictions means that 55% of women are pro-life.
	No, are opposing abortion restrictions.
	Young women more likely.
	They're pro-choice.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm like, this is.
	I'm just saying you picked the wrong cherry pick data to pull up.
	Come on.
	Wait, hold on.
	Minimize that?
	Is that the fucking Democrat logo?
	Hide us.
	Yeah, come on.
	Oh, okay.
	No, it's not that.
	You're pulling up the rest.
	Did I ask you a hypothetical question?
	Do you write big?
	Right big?
	It says women oppose abortion systems.
	Right, Big?
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you a quick hypothetical since we're doing that a lot?
	Yeah, sure.
	Didn't you just say you wanted to?
	It doesn't matter.
	I'm a flip-flopper.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	Would you have preferred that your mother grew up here in the United States or in somewhere where the laws against women are very regressive?
	So in India, for example, or in another country where it's not as good, would you have preferred your mother to grow up there or here?
	When have I made an advocation for repressive lives?
	I mean, you're saying women shouldn't be in the workforce.
	When?
	Bro, holy fuck.
	We had a whole thing about it.
	Women should be taking care of kids, not working.
	What are we talking about here?
	I was asking what's better for the children.
	Did your mother work?
	Yeah, she did.
	Was it bad for you?
	I think it would have been, honestly, I love my mother, but I do think that it would have been perhaps a better dynamic had she not been working.
	Do you think she would have been happier not working?
	Well, I think there's a certain degree of when there's propaganda that tries to say you can't be happy unless you do X, and people buy into those sort of narratives, then you could certainly make the case that if somebody doesn't do what the propaganda says you should do, they'll be unhappy because of it.
	So you would have been happier if your mother didn't have a career.
	Hold on.
	If there was, would I have been happier?
	Yes, as a kid, you would have been happier if your mother didn't go to work.
	Being around the person you love every day.
	Look, just to be clear, I had a fantastic mom.
	I had a fantastic mom.
	But was she perhaps more stressed out because of her work?
	Would she have been less stressed out in a country with less rights for her?
	I'm not sure precisely.
	That was the hypothetical.
	Precisely what fallacy is.
	I'm saying, would you have rather your mother was in a country like Iran or here?
	Hold on.
	There's all kinds of determinations for, like, for example, you would agree that there are certain countries that do certain things better.
	What does Iran do better in relation to women?
	Yeah.
	You're so fucking bad, Faith.
	Holy shit.
	I'm mimicking you.
	I don't care.
	You're not mimicking me at all.
	You would realize that there are certain countries that might do certain things better, but that in totality you would still want somebody to live in a specific country.
	That like in totality that country's better, but perhaps like whatever?
	Okay, would you have liked your mom to have less rights to do things?
	That wasn't your original question.
	I changed the question.
	Like as someone who loves his mother, would you have wanted her to have less rights as a human being?
	Hold on.
	I can change that.
	Women can have the choice.
	I'm fine with women having the choice.
	But if you're asking me about what I think is perhaps better for society, I think it is better for society for women to perhaps put more of a priority towards family and children over career.
	Well, you know, I'm not necessarily arguing that.
	I'm just arguing women should have the choice to decide whether they want to do that or the other thing.
	Look, you can look back to previous conversations.
	I've continuously stated.
	What's that?
	Sorry.
	I've continuously made statements about how I think it, for example, I think we should, and when I use this word, I mean it in the best light way possible of this word.
	I think that we should be exploiting women's genius and intellect to tackle things like, you know, we should have female researchers trying to tackle cancer.
	I think we should be pushing as much people as possible towards fixing current problems in society.
	And if that means having the intellect and genius of women tackling problems like cancer research or other illnesses, I think that that's fantastic.
	Okay, so we have no disagreement then.
	Right, but when it comes, but okay, right, but I do think it is the case descriptively that I do think children fare better when there's the mother in the household and they're not getting dealt, the kids aren't getting sent to childcare.
	Okay, I agree with that too.
	I'm just saying there needs to be the option.
	Yes, I'm fine with the choice.
	Okay.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But I think there's been, I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm fine with women who, if they want to work, but I think there's been like too much propaganda in that direction.
	Listen, I'm not for every single thing that whatever current day modern feminism is saying.
	I'm not pro every single point.
	I just have a certain elemental thing that we agree on, that there should be the choice.
	Right, there should be a choice.
	But if we can, if we're talking about, okay, well, what could potentially be best for society?
	I don't know necessarily if it's the best thing for society for women to like postpone giving birth to children into their 30s and postponing starting a family.
	Well, there's a reason a lot of women postpone having kids.
	It's because they're in long relationships with men generally who then do not want to marry them or have kids with them.
	And that ruins their 20s.
	That's a real thing.
	You can look that up too.
	Okay, let's give some of the other panelists some opportunity here.
	I want to be fair, although now there's Pacey George is pissed off at you.
	You fucking guys damage it.
	So here, Pacey George, fuck it, Brian.
	Just get chair two, 100 burritos already and move on.
	She is worse than Prithilla and other bad faith idiots like her.
	Okay.
	Excuse me.
	Pacey George, by the way, is a Canadian First Nations tribe guy.
	Tribe guy.
	What the fuck is that?
	I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	All right.
	Around 2.2 million men were drafted in the Vietnam War, sent off to fight in a pointless conflict and came home ridden with PATSD and other issues just to be greater by men and women calling them murderers and spitting in their face, at least the ones who made it home.
	Yep.
	Oh, also I didn't I kind of want to move it on.
	You said when I brought up forced military conscription, you said, well, there hasn't been a draft in such a long time.
	I do want to quickly point out that the most recent draft, while it was a long time ago, was in Vietnam.
	And to his point, there would be a men who would still be alive today had it not been for them being drafted in Vietnam.
	There are men who are currently dead today.
	Well, yeah, today.
	Well, they were dead today.
	There's men who are currently dead because they were in the Peloponnesian War.
	There's a lot of men a long time ago who died in a lot of wars.
	Right, but I don't know what the argument is.
	We're talking about recency.
	It's not that recent.
	That's a pretty long time ago.
	Oh, okay, cool.
	I love that.
	In the 70s?
	Cool.
	Slavery also happened a long time ago.
	In your lifetime, have you been drafted?
	Let's engage with this.
	Slavery hasn't been, there hasn't been slavery in a really, really long time.
	Should we discount black people's, I guess, grievances as it relates to slavery?
	Because it happened a really long time ago?
	Or it's almost like men made those.
	Hold on, let's let her answer.
	Sorry.
	If men didn't go to war, right?
	What would you be doing?
	Hold on.
	Okay, your argument is.
	Men sending other men to war, yeah.
	Your argument is Vietnam War long time ago, so it doesn't matter.
	Okay, so by your logic, slavery happened a long time ago, so it doesn't matter.
	You identify the black people who want reparations for slavery.
	You want reparations for the draft, right?
	Because it hasn't happened in your lifetime, but you want reparations for it.
	Wow, this is a great, fallacious argument here.
	Why don't you answer that?
	I'm making a joke.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Let me just answer the question.
	I don't know.
	You have a problem with the fact that in your lifetime there hasn't been a draft, but there was a draft in the 70s.
	Hold on, am I not allowed to advocate?
	Hold on.
	So by your logic, if a black person current day was not a slave, they can't have criticisms of slavery?
	Yes, they can have criticisms of slavery.
	Okay, great.
	So I, as a man, can like advocate on behalf of other men who have historically experienced something bad.
	Do you want to abolish the military?
	What is your point?
	That's what I gathered from.
	Or do you just want women to equally be drafted?
	Which I again agree with you on.
	I'm not against it.
	Like I said, there's countries where it's equal.
	I'm just going to have to drop it to move on.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So let's see here.
	Why don't we get into we're going to get in some other people?
	You know what?
	Let's do this.
	All right.
	Ask everyone to rate.
	Zip it.
	Here.
	Hold on.
	Let me press some shit.
	That was fucking misogynist.
	Shut your fucking mouth.
	Wait, oh my god, bro.
	This girl can't help herself.
	Misogyny's alive and well is telling me to zip it.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	How is it misogynist?
	First, we got to take off our shoes.
	It was disrespectful a little bit.
	No, you don't think so.
	So you think.
	Wait, what if it's what if I'm being disrespectful to you for some other reason?
	You're engaging me in conversation and then telling me to shut up, right?
	How would that be misogynistic?
	What if I, Nick, shut the fuck up, you piece of shit?
	Wow.
	Am I a misandrist now because I just told a man to shut the fuck up?
	You got a bunch of women here to tell them to shut up, though, right?
	I don't see any men here on the panel.
	How many did you guys hear to speak?
	Okay, then I'll be quiet and let them talk.
	Oh my gosh.
	Bro, holy shit.
	Somebody.
	Again, we're in agreement on many things here.
	I don't know what we're arguing.
	There's something YouTube comes up with.
	It's not misogynistic to tell someone to shut up.
	If I told you to shut up because you're a woman, that would maybe.
	I'm just telling you to shut up because you're talking a lot.
	I like being cold.
	I'm just responding to questions.
	I can shut up.
	Don't worry.
	I'll be quiet.
	Bro, you.
	You know what?
	You're not just interrupting me.
	You're interrupting the other women, too.
	Okay, I'm done.
	I'm going to get you a gold plaque for your desk.
	This is number one: misogynist.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Okay, ask everyone to, she's going to love this one.
	Watch all this.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven from M1 Grand.
	All right, starting with wait, you know what?
	Show of hands.
	Anybody here a 10?
	Raise your hand.
	Okay, fuck it.
	Rate your own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Go six.
	Okay.
	Well, jokes on them.
	I have very low self-esteem, negative a thousand.
	Well, within the one.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	If it's objective, right?
	And five's like generally good looking, okay?
	I'm like, start it off symmetrical, put on some weight, like at dock points, piercings, tattoos people don't like.
	So I realistically probably rate in it like a 4.2.
	Okay.
	I feel like eight.
	Eight.
	Okay.
	A five.
	Into the mic?
	Into the mic?
	A five.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	A six.
	What about you?
	Five.
	Five.
	Wow.
	All right.
	I'm on the panel here.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Oh, I give myself a five.
	Or realists.
	You don't have any, well, you don't have many extremists here today.
	I mean.
	I said many.
	Again, we're in agreement on everything.
	I don't know what we're arguing.
	I love how the polycule and the four kids.
	We've escaped the flack so far.
	Oh, boy.
	Claver told your ball my ex.
	Okay.
	If Chair Two thinks it was a long, hold on.
	You just told me to zip it off.
	So it doesn't matter.
	Ask her what she thinks about Titus' destruction of the Second Temple.
	Can we not?
	Not ask.
	That's my opinion.
	Can we not?
	That's what I think.
	Can we ask something else to somebody else?
	Wait, oh my God, I thought of something even worse than that, bro.
	What?
	I don't know if I should go there.
	Do it.
	Do it.
	No balls.
	Do it.
	So this would be your logic.
	Okay.
	This is not a claim I'm making.
	Okay, you said that because...
	Can anyone else answer for me?
	Stop.
	Can you stop interrupting?
	You're being rude.
	So you said that me bringing up forced military conscription was not a valid concern when I'm trying to advocate on behalf of men because the last time men were conscripted in this country was in Vietnam.
	Something happened during World War II.
	Something really bad happened during World War II.
	If you were to say, I am aggrieved because of what happened during World War II, and I said, well, it doesn't matter because it was a long time ago.
	Would you consider that to be strong argumentation?
	Or would you find that deeply offensive?
	I didn't say it doesn't matter.
	I didn't say it doesn't matter.
	That's not what I said.
	You were trying to.
	Can I explain what I said?
	I didn't diminish it.
	Explain it then.
	I said you're against the draft, right?
	I'm against the draft.
	I'm against conscription.
	You're against selective service.
	Forced military conscription.
	Okay.
	Then get rid of it.
	Then let's fight to get rid of it.
	You're against a draft that doesn't exist, but you're against selective service.
	So let's get rid of either, let's get rid of the military.
	I don't know what you want.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Wait.
	The draft exists.
	Dying is a bad thing, but I acknowledge that it is something that happens.
	So in this perspective, I don't think that it's ever going to be politically tenable or possible to get rid of a draft because nation states are not going to relinquish their right to call upon its citizenry to defend the nation in the event of a conflict.
	So this idea that, well, let's just get rid of it, it's literally not politically tenable to do it.
	So what do you want to change in reality about the selective service?
	You want women to be also there.
	I'm pointing it out as an instance in which men face some form of discrimination wouldn't be the right word, but men face a disadvantage due to this.
	And also, in order for men to be allowed to vote, they have to register with selective service.
	Women have no corresponding duty or responsibility to the state.
	This is an inequality that exists between men and women.
	Okay.
	There have been women who wanted to be in the Marines, and the military, the Army, decided that women were not fit for certain positions in the military.
	This is a decision.
	Oh, no.
	This has been a decision by the United States Armed Forces.
	They prefer men on the front line.
	This is not a decision that women are involved in.
	Why would you want women in the front line?
	Why do you think?
	Like I'm saying, it could be equal.
	It has been equal in certain places.
	I'm not arguing against the equality.
	There are standards to enter the military for women.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I'm a career girlie.
	Like, I love women in the workforce.
	I love equal opportunity.
	Do you think it would be a net good for our country to have a bunch of women, like an equal amount of women on the front lines?
	Just biologically.
	There's already a lot of women in the military.
	Of course, not military, but I'm saying specifically on the front lines.
	Like if it was majority women.
	Oh, hell no.
	Like, just majority?
	It would be half and half, right?
	Yeah, you think equal would put us at just as good of a chances.
	Well, it's happened already.
	World War II, the Soviet Union, men and women were on the front line.
	Can we get a fact community?
	You can fact check that, yeah.
	It was 50-50 Soviet Army in World War II?
	Yes, women were on the front line.
	She is correct, that there were some few females that were front line.
	Sure.
	Yeah, of course.
	I'm saying it's happened, and if you notice, the Soviet Union and the Allies were the victors of that war.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	I'm not saying it doesn't happen or shouldn't happen.
	Like I said, I support women's opportunity to be everywhere.
	I'm saying, do you think it would be a net positive?
	Do you think there's reasons they might discriminate in that specific situation besides hating women?
	Women are weaker than men, then why are they equally right currently in the war, currently happening, right?
	But you just said that in Israel.
	They might be equally against them being in the military.
	That has nothing to do with what I said.
	You said that they might discriminate against them because they're women and they might not deem them worthy of being on the front lines.
	There are certain countries like this one that would prefer women are not on the front lines.
	That's a decision made by our military.
	And I just said, do you think there might be a reason that's the case?
	That's right.
	Yes, because women are biologically inferior to men.
	But you're saying that's not the same thing.
	Women are badass.
	Misogyny and sexism.
	Men are stronger than women.
	Yeah, I don't think that's an example of that.
	I'm saying he's arguing against the selective service.
	Actually, no, you're arguing that it prejudices for men.
	Well, then let's equally cons I mean, you know, it's just, I don't know how to keep arguing this.
	I guess I see when she's saying, yes, she's agreeing that women are physically inferior to men, so she's kind of like, well, what do you want me to do about it?
	I mean, I can't say that.
	Well, you're using that as an example of how misogyny is still upheld, that women might be discriminated against in getting accepted to the front lines.
	And I was just saying there might be a specific reason for that discrimination.
	Well, is that what you're saying?
	Do you feel like women are being discriminated?
	I don't think.
	I don't know.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I don't think so.
	I'm at a misinformation.
	I'm saying from what I understand of what the United States military decided, they decided that women shouldn't be on the same front line as men, at least in terms of certain groups.
	I think it was Marines or something or one of the, I don't know specifically.
	And I'm saying that's not misogyny.
	That's just like biology.
	I'm not.
	There's biological decisions.
	I'm trying to agree with him.
	He has a problem with the selective service.
	I'm saying do it equally then.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Right, but you would have to agree that currently, as the rules, as it stands, this is an inequality that exists between men and women.
	But the reason for it is what?
	Who cares what the reason is?
	It's important, the reason, because the reason was we don't think women can be in the military, right?
	Isn't that the reason for that?
	What other reason is that?
	Let's assume that that's the reason.
	Does the inequality still exist?
	Yes or no?
	Okay, are you okay with inequality?
	Men decided women are biologically inferior.
	They decided it.
	It's objectively true.
	Okay, so why are you arguing against the decision that was made?
	You don't want women in the selective.
	Do you want to do that?
	I think he just wants you to acknowledge the inequality, I think, is what he's trying to get at.
	He's just trying to get you to acknowledge the inequality.
	So, do you use that?
	While it might be a reality, while it might be a reality, I don't know what we're saying.
	I don't get it.
	It's like Urobura.
	It's in on itself.
	It's like we don't want women because they're biologically inferior, but it's also unaware that women are on the side.
	That's those you feels don't want to acknowledge it.
	There it is.
	What are we going to do?
	You can't argue with that.
	You want to move on?
	No?
	I do.
	I desperately want to move on.
	You just brush over all of this.
	But yeah, I mean, I'm.
	You're not going to get me.
	I mean, what are you, you know, you're not going to.
	You just got to engage with it.
	It's a catch-22, is what I'm saying.
	But again, you always go to the but who set that system up, blah, blah, blah.
	Most men were not sitting at the table when these systems were built.
	So you're kind of trying to blame an entire gender for decisions made by elites, and it's kind of lazy thinking.
	The majority of people everywhere had no say in anything.
	But yes, the elites are predominantly male, though, right?
	Right, but do you think it's more to do with the fact that they're men?
	They're better, yeah.
	Or the fact that they're elites.
	It's uh if you were making the decision, right?
	If you were making this decision, who do I draft?
	But it's not what decision would you make as a man who's against the draft.
	You're saying there needs to be a draft.
	Do you want to draft women or not?
	That, okay, that gets away from the actual argument that's being made.
	If it is the case that it's unfair to send men to war and men suffer in war, then it would seem to me that this would be some sort of inequality that exists between men and women.
	Just because you're trying to create some justification.
	You're pacifists.
	You don't want wars because men suffer in them.
	I'm a realist.
	War happens to be some sort of inevitability.
	Okay.
	So who do you want fighting them?
	Men or women?
	Oh my God, bro.
	I don't know what you're upset about.
	I'm saying women should be equally drafted.
	So descriptively, it is the case that I think men are better soldiers.
	Okay.
	However, in order to field one soldier, you need like 10 other people in some capacity in the military to support that one person who's on the front line.
	Women can absolutely occupy these pencil-pusher positions in the military.
	They can be chefs, they can be cooks, they can be in some sort of support role.
	But women are completely barred.
	Even women who volunteer in the military are not like frontline soldiers.
	So women can have, women can contribute to the war effort.
	And you're just not going to be.
	Yeah, and they have.
	Okay, sure.
	Okay, yeah.
	But so we can force women to become soldiers.
	There would still be an inequality because men are going to overwhelmingly be the ones who face most of the suffering through combat, through death, through injury.
	But at the least, the least we could do is say, you know what?
	If men are subject to forced military conscription, so too should women.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That would at least be a little bit better or at least a step closer to equality than the current system where only men are subject to military conscription.
	You've heard when I said that I agree that women should also be conscripted, right?
	But they're not.
	So it's.
	Am I in charge of that, though?
	Like, they're not.
	Why?
	Am I in charge of the current system?
	They're not for the reasons you stated, right?
	For the reasons that you believe that women are inferior.
	That's why they're right now.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Sorry.
	The reason women are not is for the reasons you just listed, right?
	You wouldn't personally want women other than in a support role in the military, correct?
	That's what you just said.
	Sure, I'll grant that.
	Okay, well, this would still be an injustice.
	The men making against who, men or women, that women are not on the front line.
	Against men.
	Men put women on the front line.
	What are we talking about here?
	Keep using the money.
	Well, there's a certain, okay, there's a certain like, okay.
	I'm trying to think of an example here.
	If you operated a prison and the goal is to keep violent people inside this prison and you're going to have to use force, would you prefer that it's made up of men or women?
	The corrections officers?
	Men are better being unintentionally, wantonly cruel.
	The Stanford prison experiment, right?
	That was men in that experiment.
	That was prison guards.
	The Stanford prison experiment.
	Yes, I'm familiar with that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, what does that have to do with actual correctional officers?
	By the way, wasn't it deemed as extremely unethical?
	That doesn't change what happened in it.
	Okay, but like Elizabeth Holmes was a scammer.
	All women should take responsibility for being scammers.
	I agree with you that I think men should be prison guards because they're better at it, probably.
	Okay, so does that make you the sexist?
	I'm agreeing with you.
	Okay.
	So then pragmatically speaking, if we want the best soldiers.
	Yes, then why are you complaining?
	You want the best soldiers.
	Why do you want women in the selective service then?
	I'm confused.
	Either it's inequality or it's make up your mind.
	Either it's inequality that women aren't drafted or women shouldn't be drafted.
	I'm so confused.
	You want both things at the same time.
	Oh my God, you're not making really any sense here.
	So I'll open it up to the.
	I don't know if the chat wants to make any arguments.
	This is not a political show, reminder.
	But we can always go.
	Brian, I agree with you.
	I'm kind of lost too.
	I thought the point was because you were trying to get her to make the claim that, yes, it's inequality.
	But if that's not the point, then I don't really know what you're getting at either.
	Yeah.
	Maybe I'm slow here, man, but we're kind of going.
	We're going like this.
	She's saying she agrees with you because women are not as strong as men.
	So is the issue her not claiming the inequality?
	Is that the problem?
	I don't agree.
	With your conflict with your view?
	I think our.
	It's a bit of a red herring because it's a distraction technique to point to, okay, who set the system up, men set the system up, blah, blah, blah.
	Essentially, she's trying to say, because men set the system up, men are not allowed to make any sort of valid claims of grievance as it relates to forced military conscription.
	Pragmatically, realistically, descriptively speaking, it is the case that we oftentimes do have to force people to fight in wars so that we can defend the nation.
	I'm acknowledging that.
	I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive.
	I can also say that it is an injustice to force people into war and that these men who are forced into war will suffer.
	These things can all be true at the same time.
	Do you want women to be drafted or not?
	It was pretty simple.
	And the answer is yes.
	Okay, then I'm in agreement with you.
	We've reached a conclusion to this argument.
	Oh my God, but no, that wasn't the original.
	Oh my God.
	I'm just fucking moving it on.
	God damn, bro.
	Yeah, let's do that.
	I'm saying it's unfair to men.
	I agree with you.
	You're saying it's unfair, and I agree with you.
	I don't understand why we're arguing about it.
	All right, I'm moving at this.
	I'm moving it on.
	Okay.
	So the question was: rating everybody's attractiveness, blah, blah, blah.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Then today, no.
	Okay, you're 39.
	Were you better looking at 29 versus now at 39?
	Yes, I had, I gained weight.
	So better looking at 29.
	And then better looking at 19 versus now?
	Better at 29.
	Okay.
	Better at 29 than 19.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You're 34.
	Are you going to be better looking in 10 years' time at 44?
	Into the mic.
	I can't say anything.
	I don't know.
	It depends.
	I can't tell the future, but if I lose weight, maybe, yeah, I could look better.
	How about you stay the same weight?
	I stay the same weight.
	I don't know, dude, how I'm going to age.
	I'm probably worse if I don't lose weight.
	Okay, and then were you better looking 10 years ago at 24?
	I probably was, yeah, but I didn't appreciate how I looked then.
	Okay.
	You're 23, better looking in 10 years' time at 33?
	No, I'll be hotter if global warming keeps going, but not better.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 27, better looking in 10 years' time at 37.
	Hell no.
	You.
	One more time.
	I'm sorry.
	What?
	I thought you were still talking to her.
	Same question.
	Same question directed at you, though.
	Okay, I think.
	Can you repeat it, please?
	27 to 37.
	Do you look better?
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 37?
	No.
	Okay, were you better looking at 18 or better looking now at 27?
	27.
	Okay, you're 34.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 44?
	Please.
	No.
	Can you guys fucking talk into the mic, please?
	No.
	Okay, were you better looking at 24 or better looking now at 34?
	Yes, I was better looking at 24.
	Okay, you're 31, better looking in 10 years' time, 41.
	No.
	Okay, were you better looking at 21 versus now at 31?
	No.
	So better looking now?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're 45, better looking in 10 years' time, 55?
	No.
	Were you better looking at 35 versus now?
	Yes.
	Better looking 25 versus now?
	Yes.
	35, 25, which one better looking?
	I might pick 35, but if I go based on attention, 25.
	I hope I age that way.
	Okay, you're 27, better looking in 10 years' time, 37?
	No.
	Better looking at 18 or better looking now?
	I would say now just because I lost weight and skin and stuff like that.
	All right.
	Nick, we have the AI.
	We've AI aged advanced all of you.
	Let's go ahead and do it.
	Oof.
	White people have it rough.
	You always say it's true.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Put us in.
	Damn.
	This thing is so rude.
	It's like the worst skincare routine.
	Are you going to look better in 10 years?
	Did you start smoking a packet now?
	Hell no.
	I know.
	Hang on.
	Yeah, that's good.
	That was yours hit quick, too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, my God.
	It like shrinks your face in.
	10 years?
	I don't know about that.
	10, bro.
	Trick her turn.
	Okay, next.
	Oh, God.
	God.
	Doesn't justice.
	Yeah.
	I'm up.
	Next.
	Look fast, I young.
	Like, goddamn.
	Next.
	Dude.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	That is so not fair.
	There's a MILF.
	Next.
	Dude, no.
	If you've made it this far, looking that good, I don't think you're going to age like that.
	Is that supposed to be 10 and 20 years?
	I am curious.
	No, not really.
	Next.
	Okay.
	So funny.
	Oh.
	Oh, shit.
	That's good.
	Next.
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Granny got swags.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	She's at the MAGA rally.
	What the fuck?
	Oh, my God.
	Can we see you?
	There it is.
	There you go.
	Okay, without the older leaves.
	Your hair just went green screen.
	Hold on, that picture's older now, huh?
	Good quality.
	Good.
	Shit.
	Took an old ass photo.
	Did we do gender too?
	You saw the twinkle in your eye.
	All right, let's do gender.
	All right, so what we've done here is we have swapped your gender.
	So the question is, would you date the male version of you?
	Damn.
	The fuck.
	Genghis Khan over there.
	Genghis Khan turned.
	Mexican Genghis Khan.
	That is fucking hilarious.
	Dude.
	The fuck is Genghis Khan?
	You don't know Genghis Khan?
	With Mongolian ruler.
	Super spreader.
	Yeah, you should.
	Johnny Apple suits.
	And I roll a bunch of lands.
	Did you check him out?
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Yes?
	He's a little.
	He's got good brows.
	I don't know why.
	Give me the big one?
	No.
	No?
	All right.
	Nope.
	Next.
	That looks like my dad.
	Into the mic, please.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	No.
	For edible reasons, no.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, fuck no.
	Dude, I look autistic.
	I look autistic.
	I look like that one.
	I mean, don't you also look that way in the beginning photo, too?
	Got me.
	I look like that one friend in Disney Channel.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Stuff.
	Oh, absolutely not.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	No.
	Okay.
	You look scary.
	All right.
	Next.
	No.
	You look like a Disney channel star.
	You wouldn't date.
	You wouldn't date the male version of you?
	No.
	I would.
	look like a good man.
	He looks like, he looks like 13, 14.
	He is 13.
	He is good looking.
	The third one.
	The third one.
	Brother from Malcolm in the Middle East.
	He's like a 30-year-old right there.
	Shit.
	All right.
	That's a no from her.
	Next.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Probably not.
	No?
	No.
	Why?
	What's wrong with him?
	He's not your type?
	No.
	What's your type?
	I feel like all these guys look a little funny.
	Yeah.
	No, you wouldn't date him.
	He's a handsome guy.
	They all just look like.
	What's wrong with them?
	I don't know.
	I thought everyone else's looked good, though.
	He's too feminine.
	Thank you.
	I don't know.
	Maybe it's a weird thing about being me.
	This might be the best one.
	I know.
	Look dapper.
	This is the best one.
	I think you look dapper.
	All right, next.
	They're only getting progressively better as we go down.
	Oh, you look like that one guy from Star Wars.
	He's actually cute.
	Yeah, that's a bit off.
	He looked like his keen first off.
	They changed your race.
	I know.
	Like, you're white, right?
	White and Mexican.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So they just picked one.
	They just picked to show the other side.
	All right.
	Do you have a brother?
	Does he look like that at all?
	No, I do have a brother, but he does not look like that.
	Blue eyes.
	You got blue eyes?
	It's like blue-gray eyes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, yo, you look like you are on Jersey Shore now.
	I gotta look like my brother a little bit.
	I might date that guy.
	I might date that guy.
	You date him?
	Don't think that right up ugly.
	I mean, he's cute.
	No, he's amazing.
	First of all, like, do I like the guy?
	Like, looks are kind of secondary to a lot of things, I think.
	Yeah, you're right over there.
	All right, guys.
	Uh, if you're liking the stream, guys, like the video, like the video, please.
	Also, support the show, whatever pod Venmo Cash app.
	Uh, let's see, I think already Megan, thank you for the 20 on Venmo.
	Yes, pull up Twitch, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Third, whoa, leet.
	Fuck 1,337 viewers.
	1337.
	We're fucking leet boys.
	I haven't thought of leet in a long ass time.
	Guys, we gotta hold on.
	We gotta get some prime subs here for the leet viewership that we have.
	Drop us a fucking follow, boys.
	And then I think the Twitch Prime subs are bugged.
	So, can you guys drop a little prime sub in the chat?
	Because I think it's I think it's bugged, boys.
	Please, it's broken.
	I think it's broken, boys.
	I think it's bugged.
	Please help.
	Ow, fuck.
	I just stabbed myself with a pen.
	Now you guys have to drop a prime sub because I just injured myself and I feel bad.
	Thank you.
	Oh my goodness.
	Durant Dahls in the chat with the big gifted.
	Let's go.
	10 subs.
	Thank you so much, man.
	You're a fucking legend.
	W's in the Twitch chat for Durin there for the gifted.
	13.
	Whatever happened to Leet?
	1337.
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	Not physically, but verbally.
	Was it the shoes?
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	And Felicity was like, all right, get the fuck out, bitch.
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	Mogged.
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	Okay, let's get into the show notes here.
	Who can I rope in here?
	I want to try to include everybody.
	So why don't we get to who is let's see?
	Sin.
	You said you haven't been single long five months.
	You're married to a man for about seven to eight years.
	You had two kids, separated.
	Then you met a man, got into a relationship with him.
	You ended up being in a dominant, submissive relationship, including a TPE total power exchange.
	So that's like you're getting into BDSM territory then.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Was it just the The D part of that or also the SM and B. What do you mean?
	Well, BDSM, bondage, domination, sadism, masochism.
	Yeah.
	Totally.
	So you guys were doing like there's levels to everything.
	Okay, so you were doing bondage stuff because you said you were collared as well.
	Yes.
	And you're doing impact play.
	I assume on you, not on him.
	Okay.
	You have having a, you had a contract, a BDSM contract.
	Yes.
	And then you found out he was married the entire time.
	Yes.
	He's also a celebrity's bodyguard as well.
	He's an armed guard.
	He was.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask which celebrity?
	They're very popular.
	Just a couple.
	No.
	Actor.
	Pop type.
	Oh, okay.
	So very popular.
	You wanted to talk about domestic discipline or BDSM relationships?
	Well, if it came up.
	Oh, okay.
	What is TPE, total power exchange?
	What's that?
	It's pretty much like I don't have to think or do anything because it's being done for me in a way.
	That's just normal sex.
	But there's certain things.
	Were you ever in a cage?
	No.
	Never kept in a cage?
	It was a thought.
	Like, it was spoken about.
	I need food.
	You need a song.
	It was talked about.
	Worked up.
	It's not yourself when you're hungry.
	I never have fucking Snickers or something.
	Did you have a milking table?
	I should send Felicity on the run.
	You down, Felicity?
	Sure.
	All right.
	I'll get that arranged in a moment.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	So do you want to share some details of your TPE total power exchange relationship?
	Well, it was pretty much like I don't think anything that I did was out of the ordinary.
	Like I was very submissive.
	Like, you know, I did things like, you know, everything.
	Breakfast in bed.
	I rubbed his feet.
	Like, I waited for him when he came at the door, take his boots off, you know, things like that.
	You took his shoes off?
	Yes.
	I can get.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Yeah, I was kneeling as he came in the door.
	Kneeling?
	Yes.
	Was there a uniform or something?
	Nope.
	No.
	Didn't matter what I was wearing.
	Then as he came, you know, I took his shoes off.
	Good school and shit.
	Just reinforcing the patriarchy.
	Did you wear an actual collar or was it more like a necklace?
	It was like either.
	That's the bare minimum, though.
	You know, but then he did give me a day collar, you know, for work and stuff.
	Okay, so it was very discreet with the little circle on it.
	And so is that what you wore when your kids see you?
	Every day?
	When your kids see you?
	My kids didn't know anything about it.
	We kept everything like completely private from my kids.
	Impact play.
	What does that mean?
	Well, it just depends.
	Like, you know, it could be spanking.
	Okay.
	It could be like.
	Isn't that kind of vanilla, though?
	Like, even vanilla people do like spank.
	It just depends that.
	Are you talking like with a paddle or something?
	That too, yes.
	Okay.
	That's just the beginning, like the spanking with the hand.
	Okay.
	You know, like.
	Like, I feel even like leave imprints and marketing.
	Choking is vanilla territory now at this point.
	It depends on the level of the choking.
	Like some fucking regular choke.
	It's a part of growing.
	Okay, so fortunately, what I've done.
	I tried like, you know, the paddle, the flogger.
	Those are like minor.
	I did use a, what did you call it?
	Like a riding crop for the horses.
	We hit them like.
	Oh, she knows about it.
	You know what I mean?
	I used to ride horses, bro.
	Things like that.
	We would try different types of stuff.
	Did you use it on your ex-boyfriend?
	Yeah, I would beat the shit out of him.
	What the fuck?
	Goddamn.
	Poor guy.
	These electricians, man, they go hard in the paint.
	It was fun.
	I enjoyed everything.
	I can't complain.
	All right.
	What happened?
	It was like being a wife.
	What happened when you found out he was married?
	Married?
	Oh, it destroyed me.
	I was like, Is he living with you and stuff or no?
	Pretty much.
	He was always.
	That's why I couldn't understand it.
	He was always at my house.
	We were always on the phone.
	Like, it's so crazy.
	You know, like, everything was being taken care of in my house.
	I had an old couple.
	Wait, who hears Latino?
	Latino?
	Are you Latino a little bit?
	You're not Latina?
	Latino?
	Latina?
	No.
	Really?
	Because you're like a white girl Latino.
	No, I found out recently.
	I was, I'm actually like half Arabic, which I didn't know.
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind.
	Well, there are certain things I do regret, you know?
	Forget it.
	Was he around your kids?
	Huh?
	Was he around your kids?
	Yeah, I went ice skating.
	Everything was normal.
	Like, everything was so normal.
	Like, you know, like ice cream.
	We go ice skating.
	For the Latino women here, would you find it offensive if a white guy was saying some like he was culturally appropriating?
	Like, for example, he was like talking like he was Mexican.
	Like he was acting.
	Like, if he was pretending, he was coast playing.
	He was LARPing as like a like, how about this?
	Let me let me demonstrate.
	He would be like, Eh, vato.
	Eh, that's my essay over there, dog.
	Like, nobody really talks like that, though.
	Come on, bro.
	We live in San Francisco.
	They do.
	The answer is yes, that would be offensive.
	Don't mess with my homie essay.
	That would be offensive.
	But learning to speak Spanish and like if a guy did that, I'm not like purposely.
	Why would you be like, hey, what's the way?
	Like, would you be like, you're Mexican?
	Well, first of all, I identify more so with white culture, but if somebody spoke like that, I would just be laughing.
	Yeah, of course, if you started doing someone, if you started doing something, I would never do that.
	Except on this podcast right now.
	Of course.
	In a hypothetical.
	I think what made me happy is when, like, when I got hurt, everybody was going to get hurt too.
	So everybody found out.
	Do you guys speak Spanish?
	You speak Spanish?
	You speak Spanish?
	No.
	I know a little bit.
	Speak right.
	Is it offensive to call a woman an abuelita?
	No se zoto.
	Why?
	That's grandma.
	What?
	No, but she's not.
	I don't want to be called grandma.
	And I call her an abuelita and she doesn't have kids.
	Is that offensive?
	Well, why would you call her a grandma if she left you?
	She looked like a grandma.
	Shit.
	Okay, anyways.
	I answered your question.
	We got Jenna here, Jenna's notes.
	Jenna has a horror story about when she went on one date with a guy and had to get a restraining order after a year and a half of no contact because he ended up being a nut job.
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	Okay.
	I went, I did go on one date with this guy and then it ended.
	And at the end of the day, when we were parting ways, I said, you know, thank you for everything.
	I don't think this is going to work.
	We're good.
	And then everything was good.
	I didn't hear from the guy for a year and a half until I got into a relationship.
	And then he started stalking me.
	So this is a year and a half after our first date.
	Wait, so you heard nothing from him?
	Nothing from him.
	What?
	Yeah.
	It was bizarre.
	This guy is.
	So wait, you went on one date and like you didn't talk at all.
	Yeah.
	Like was he trying to go on a second date or just he had he had asked me on another date.
	And you said no.
	And I said no.
	And that was the end of it?
	That was the end of it.
	And then a year and a half later.
	And a half later, he saw me at breakfast with my boyfriend and like lost it.
	What?
	Like, did he come up to y'all?
	No, he didn't come up to us.
	He started blowing my phone up, and then he was driving by my house and then posting about me on what was he saying?
	What was he saying?
	In his text messages or on social media, or when he was contacting you, or whatever.
	Just telling me that I was garbage, that I was dating a beta male, that I was beta.
	I don't know.
	It was he said everything under the sun.
	He called me every name.
	He did, was there any explanation offered, or like, what do you think was the reason?
	Because this is strange.
	Like, you went on the date with him.
	It wasn't a match or whatever, but you didn't hear from the guy for a year and a half.
	Yeah.
	He sees you in person, then he loses his mind.
	Yeah.
	That's weird.
	It was.
	He's unstable.
	But did you say, like, is there some component of like, does he think you lied to him?
	Or I'm not just saying that.
	Oh, no, he, no, I'm just trying to understand like what he thinks.
	What he zooms crazy, but like, what does he think that's wrong?
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	In his head, I was his girlfriend.
	For the year and a half, you weren't.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	I'm telling you, this guy was fucking insane.
	The fuck?
	Yeah.
	God damn.
	He's like, my girlfriend.
	I lost you.
	Oh, no.
	He started.
	So my mom is a bartender and he started going into my mom's work, talking to my mother about his girlfriend and in reference to me.
	And finally, when my mom kind of, it took us a while to kind of piece together that that was who was going into her work.
	But she, you know, she lost it on him.
	She's like, are you talking about my daughter?
	And he's like, yeah, Kelly, I am.
	And so he like knew the whole family.
	It was weird.
	Was he giving you money or anything?
	No.
	When I, I mean, it took a while for me to actually get the restraining order.
	I had to go to court a few times.
	It was a freaking nightmare.
	It was all spending all day at the courthouse.
	Damn.
	And had to get filed as a DV restraining order because we did go on a date together.
	Damn.
	But that was the conversation between us and everyone.
	It was like.
	Crazy motherfuckers out there, man.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	What more was going on?
	And that was all that had happened.
	And I had text messages to prove it.
	And that's fucked up.
	Yeah, it was an experience.
	You said you've been labeled as a pick-me girl.
	Why is that?
	Oh, I've been called that just because I come to men's defense.
	Shit, I was arguing with this family.
	I was open for the defense.
	What the fuck?
	God damn.
	The most oppressed group in society.
	So true.
	That would have been a little difficult to jump in on.
	There was.
	You got it.
	Yeah.
	No.
	You got it.
	I was good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Going to Pia.
	Did I say your name right?
	You got it.
	How do you say your, or I don't know if you want to, you don't have to share your last name?
	I'll say it.
	Annunziata.
	Pia Giovanna Annunziata, baby.
	That's what it is.
	You're Italian.
	My father's name's P.O. Like a probational?
	No, Padre Pio.
	Insane, I guess.
	Oh, P.O., okay.
	P.I.O., you know.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, so you're an electrician, you own your own electrical contracting business.
	How long have you been doing that?
	Electrician in general, coming up on 10 years.
	Okay.
	And did you, like, it was your family in the business or?
	No.
	Okay.
	No, no.
	I speak of the job.
	You say, ironically, you definitely believe in more traditional values.
	You moved out of your parents when you were 17.
	You moved in with your boyfriend at the time, who happened to be your father's age.
	Yeah, he was.
	You've ridden Harley's ever since.
	Was he in a motorcycle club?
	He was, but yeah, he was.
	I was like, I was 17.
	I was like, you know, dad, mom on a motorcycle.
	They were like, you can't live in this house and have a motorcycle.
	I was like, all right.
	Then I'll go live somewhere else and have a motorcycle.
	And that's what I did.
	And I moved in with his name was Guy, Guy Garino.
	And yeah, and he taught me how to ride.
	And he taught me a lot of stuff.
	And I was there for four years.
	And now he's passed away.
	So that was like a big hurdle.
	Were you in the motorcycle club too?
	Girls can't be in motorcycle clubs.
	Okay.
	You can be like.
	Aren't there different categories of motorcycle clubs?
	Well, yeah, I mean, if you want to get into it, like.
	Yeah, get into it.
	I mean, there's one percenter clubs that are considered outlaw motorcycle clubs.
	Yeah, was it a one percenter club?
	So his club was not, they did not wear a one percent, sorry, a one percent patch, um, but they were sponsored by Hell's Angels.
	So what does that mean, though, to be sponsored?
	Basically, like you got the approval of Hell's Angels to be a club, and then if you want to wear a 1% patch, you then have to go further to get that.
	Can you say the name of the club?
	Yeah, he was in Outraged.
	It was called Outraged Motorcycle Club, and he wasn't in it for very long.
	He'd been riding his whole life.
	I mean, that guy could ride better than 95% of people out there.
	At his age, popping wheelies on an ultra classic is pretty good.
	Okay.
	And you were dating him for how long?
	So in total, it was four years.
	Four years.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you still ride Harley's or motorcycle?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I got a little collection.
	I'll be riding until I'm dead, man.
	That's cool.
	You said that he, so he's the one who taught you how to ride.
	Yes.
	You said he had some drug issues, but you really did love that man.
	Yeah.
	Drama, trauma.
	Long story short, at some point you left him four years later, and shortly after that, he passed away, and that was difficult.
	Yeah, so yeah, so I had left him at a certain point.
	He was not a perfect man.
	He dealt with some drug issues, some pill issues, and like depression issues.
	And he did have a daughter that passed away a couple years before.
	And it was just, you know, and everybody can make the argument of like, oh, it's all fucked up because of the age gap and this and that.
	And it's like, look, I'm no psychologist.
	I don't know.
	But how old was he?
	So at the time, he was 52.
	And you were 17?
	17.
	And you can say it or you want.
	It's like, I thought it was going to be a little bit more.
	I really fucking love that man.
	I'm no psychologist.
	I don't know.
	But I can tell you right now that at that, definitely, at least at that point in time, we were two people who I would say needed each other.
	I'm no fucking psychologist, so you can go ahead and say because of X, Y, and Z.
	But in reality, I think we did need each other.
	And I don't regret it.
	I mean, I learned a lot from that man.
	I love that man.
	Him passing was a big deal for me.
	I was already out of that house for over a year, but him passing was a big deal.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	I mean, I showed when I found out that it had happened, I showed up and I was the one cleaning out the house and I was the one helping with his sister, taking care of everything.
	So, you know.
	Why did you move out of your parents' house at 17?
	I guess, well, a couple things.
	You know, my parents are very traditional.
	Traditional old school Italian household, which is cool.
	I have nothing against them.
	They're great parents.
	But, you know, there's a lot of strict, they're very strict.
	And I wanted to go, I wanted to go ride motorcycles.
	And I stayed in school.
	I had great grades all throughout school and all that.
	It wasn't like a, you know, anything crazy.
	I just wanted to leave.
	At 17 in New York, you could legally leave your house.
	I knew that.
	Okay.
	Just curious.
	Actually, wait, never mind.
	You said you agree with most of the host views.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	You say you're an exception to a lot of the rules he states as you've been doing a man's job for quite some time now.
	So you would say, although exceptions do not create the rule, you simply need to leave room in your theories for them to exist.
	Yeah, I don't know if that was really more you or sorry.
	Andrew?
	Andrew?
	Because, you know, look, yeah, I'm a minority.
	I'm with reality hardcore.
	Like most women are not going to want to do a man's job.
	Something that I do, I chose to do this job.
	I could see where most women wouldn't want to do this job, but I do do this job.
	And I think that I do it well.
	So you write that you're a licensed electrician.
	You typically do very masculine work in your daily life, but you're a walking contradiction due to the fact that you actually believe more in traditional values.
	You're raised by Catholic old school Italian family.
	Yeah.
	You guys don't believe in divorce.
	You do a man's job throughout the day.
	You don't want to come home and still play a masculine role in your relationship.
	That being said, the average guy would find you probably too masculine or intimidating to be someone they would typically approach.
	Right.
	Definitely.
	But fair enough because same lol.
	That's what you wrote.
	Yeah, because, I mean, look, like, obviously on face value, I'm definitely not, I'm not everybody's cup of tea.
	Can you do a double bicep really quick?
	I don't know if I got the room, dude.
	I might hurt some people here.
	Pew.
	Raised it over.
	Where's the camera at, huh?
	This guy, all right.
	Yeah, I work out.
	I mean, you know, I work out, but like, if you took that away, still, just what I do every day is very masculine.
	It's a very masculine job.
	Obviously, I'm a more masculine female.
	I'm not super feminine.
	So most men are not going to want to deal with that.
	Fair enough, you know.
	But so in saying traditional, it's like me being this masculine, the reason maybe, maybe one of the reasons why I've dated older men is because older men tend to be traditionally more masculine.
	Like that's just the way it is.
	Those are traditionally masculine men.
	For somebody who's going to look at me and see somebody that they may potentially want to have a serious relationship with, you probably are going to have to be at least more masculine than me, right?
	So like, you know, and yeah, I believe in traditional values.
	I mean, in my family, like I said, we don't get divorced.
	You've been married to somebody, you know, if you don't like them, go to bed, wake up tomorrow, maybe you'll feel different because you're going to be with them till you're dead.
	So, yeah.
	What's the oldest you've ever dated?
	Because you said you tend to date older men.
	So same age range, like 50.
	You've dated multiple guys in their 50s.
	Yeah, so my last relationship was older, too.
	All right, we got some older viewers in the chat.
	Maybe we can.
	No, dude, I think I might be done.
	I don't know.
	You're done.
	No, it's just, it's just, like I said, it's not like I'm seeking out necessarily older men.
	It's just that.
	Also, I will say that being raised old school also includes like older music, older movies, older values.
	I mean, there's not, I don't find many people my age that we actually have much to talk about in reality.
	You know?
	You know, I like motorcycles and working on motorcycles and trades and stuff.
	I mean, there's not that many people my age and old music and old movies.
	I mean, what I could rattle off old actors like nobody my age would know them.
	And yeah, so in totality.
	Do you like Kwana Del Rey?
	Yes, you're like the hero.
	She's pretty good.
	You're like the hero of one of her songs.
	You know what?
	A hero of one of her songs.
	I mean, I love her.
	Oh, that was supposed to be a compliment.
	The guy that I'm talking to loves motorcycles.
	Rides up and everything.
	Yeah, no, I love motorcycle.
	I like I've been in motorcycle accidents.
	I like mess myself up, but I'll still ride.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, man.
	Yeah, I got Harley's.
	This is just what I said.
	Did you submit any notes or no?
	I thought I did.
	Jeannie?
	Let me.
	I thought I did.
	Maybe I didn't send.
	Okay.
	You're a Disney adult, though.
	Yeah.
	I know that.
	Definitely.
	Because how often do you go to the party?
	A few times a year at least.
	My son, I took him for the first time when he was three months.
	He loved it.
	And all your clothes are Disney-themed.
	Most of them, yes.
	And I have a huge collection of Loungefly.
	What's your favorite Disney movie, I guess?
	God, I'd have to say who Frame Roger Rabbit is my favorite.
	Okay.
	That's kind of niche a little bit.
	Yeah, that one's my favorite.
	Yeah.
	What about like Princess or favorite?
	Oh my god, that's such a nice.
	Princess Aurora, of course.
	I shouldn't say that one.
	But Rapunzel, she's a close second.
	The hair one?
	Yeah.
	No, she's not us.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Let me see if I can find the notes on that.
	But moving on to.
	Wait.
	Zenya?
	Is that you?
	Eugena.
	Oh, Eugena.
	Okay.
	Your name on Instagram is different.
	Oh, it's Zenya, my Russian name.
	Your Russian name, okay.
	You said you have a unique losing your virginity story.
	You don't know if that counts as a dating story.
	Oh.
	What's the universe?
	What's the mic if you're sorry?
	Sorry.
	I don't know.
	I just said I lost it late and it was.
	I'm a Russian Jew, and the guy I lost it to is a black Muslim Brotherhood comedian who was unco-I don't want to, never mind, I don't want to get too specific with who.
	He is nothing, who is nothing, it doesn't substance.
	A good sure yeah, or I don't know if that's what you're gonna say.
	No, I don't want to say what I was, because then you can identify him.
	Never mind, I don't know, I don't know.
	Hold on if, if I say what I was Muslim because of their drug usage no, if I say what show he was on, it's gonna wait, it's gonna be able to identify him.
	Was it uh?
	Was it Netflix or it was TBS TBS?
	Yeah, Dave Chappelle, not Dave Chappelle.
	Yeah, it was Dave Chappelle.
	I yeah, I lost my virginity to Dave Chappelle.
	I don't think he's Muslim brotherhood though, but anyway, that was my first time.
	It was intense.
	Are you wait?
	What's the story?
	So wait, the story is that it was a Russian Jew loses virginity to.
	I was 31 Muslim.
	Yeah, I was 31.
	Oh, so like three years ago, because you're 34?
	Yeah yeah, was it a?
	What wait?
	Was it the?
	Was it the one night stand?
	Yeah, what was it about the Him?
	About that you were young.
	I don't know.
	He was funny.
	He was funny.
	How did you, how did you meet him?
	Hinge.
	You met him on Hinge?
	Yeah.
	And then, like, going into the first date, were you knowing that you were going to lose your virginity?
	Yeah, I like.
	No, no, I didn't know it.
	You didn't know?
	No.
	One thing led to another?
	Yeah, basically.
	Just one thing led to another.
	Yeah, he was funny, you know?
	He was on TV.
	He was funny.
	I'm easy.
	I don't know.
	Wait, chat.
	Okay, chat.
	Investigate.
	Stop.
	You're so you shouldn't have given him that much information.
	Chat, chat, investigate.
	I should have been honest.
	I should have lied, right?
	Black Muslim Brotherhood and he was on a TV show.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Oh, they're gonna find out.
	How many are you?
	Yeah, they are gonna find out who he is.
	Yeah, I that was, I'm tired.
	I shouldn't have said all that.
	It's okay.
	Does his last name start with a K?
	Okay, all right.
	Plead the fifth.
	What?
	Plead the fifth.
	What?
	No, yeah, I would.
	I'm pleading the fifth.
	Decide not to die in.
	Can we?
	I mean, please don't.
	Please.
	Guys, stop.
	So now.
	Wait, wait.
	But so it was.
	Knock it off.
	No, I'm not going to get into him, but so it was.
	Where did you go on the date?
	We were in like Prospect Heights or somewhere in Brooklyn.
	We went to a burger joint/slash bar, and then he happened to live very close by.
	Oh, no.
	Wait, so you just went next door.
	You went straight to his house, pretty much.
	Well, I got a little drunk, and yeah, I went to his apartment.
	You went to a bar first.
	Yeah.
	You got some drinks.
	Yeah.
	And then how was it?
	Was it good?
	Oh, boy.
	I hope they never virgin.
	I mean, who knows?
	Did you tell him that you were a virgin?
	I don't remember.
	Was he a phenomenal?
	What do you mean you don't remember his name?
	Was he a phenomenal lover?
	No.
	Did he just blow your mind?
	He was fine.
	He was funny.
	Chill up, Felicity.
	Not going to be fun.
	He was fine.
	Hey, chill up.
	I don't know.
	He played Fleetwood Mac for some reason on the TV.
	We smoked a joint.
	It was.
	Did he know, though, you were a virgin?
	I think so at some point.
	At some point in the night, yeah.
	Yeah, the fair.
	I didn't tell him.
	They got to talk to card that I was.
	Oh, who's the lead singer again?
	I can't remember anything.
	Stevie Nick.
	Stevie Nicks.
	He was playing her singing.
	That's what I said.
	I was like, is this what you do with all the white girls you get in your apartment?
	And he was like, yeah, and that was the joke.
	Steve has to be always a race and always a gender thing.
	I'm not sure if he's black, though.
	Okay, whoa.
	He can listen to Stevie Nick.
	I don't know who you're looking at.
	Are you keeping Stevie Nicks?
	No, I don't think you found the right guy.
	Is he in the film industry?
	Totally vindicated.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	Oh, no, but she might be lying about this.
	Guys, Scott, we're totally vindicated.
	She's trying to.
	Yeah.
	Jordan Peterson finger movements.
	Sorry.
	She's working above our level.
	We're hiding it.
	We're hiding his identity.
	I'm not switching to the things that I'm not doing it.
	Trying to change that.
	She's actually half black and not Jewish.
	I almost let it slip.
	I almost let it slip.
	Yeah, it's P. Diddy.
	I'm not doing it.
	There.
	See, I'm trying to help you out.
	I'm trying to like.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's P. Diddy.
	I was at a freak off and it happened.
	I knew it.
	I'm the type they invite to freak offs.
	I don't think they discriminate much.
	Oh, okay.
	You said you wanted to speak on the notion of the femme and women in their femcell era.
	Are you.
	Did I say that?
	You did write that.
	Would you, are you?
	Did you describe yourself as a femme?
	I don't know.
	Lately, yeah, lately.
	When's the last time you had carnal knowledge?
	Long enough.
	It's been long enough.
	I recently had a tried to do it.
	Since the one-night stand?
	No.
	No.
	Have there been other men?
	I didn't know what to do.
	Oh my God.
	I don't really want to get into it deeply, but or women.
	Yeah, no, listen.
	Yeah, the femme era.
	I don't know.
	A lot of my friends seem to be in their femcelle era.
	So I think I mentioned, I don't know what that is.
	What's the femme era?
	My female friends are sort of.
	Not all of them.
	Some of them.
	But what is that?
	That can typically cause that.
	No, not really.
	If you're suffering from being, they've been wronged.
	They've been wronged and now they're in their era.
	Okay.
	I mean, so they're voluntarily celibate.
	Yeah.
	It's not really femcelle.
	So I mean, look, you were a virgin until 31.
	Maybe, you know.
	That was my femcell.
	Yeah.
	That was my 31-year femme cell era.
	But what's interesting to me, like, had you been on dates before?
	Yeah, a few really.
	I mean, I was seeing someone, we just didn't do anything.
	Don't you think that would have been?
	But you could have.
	Yeah.
	See, I don't believe that women can be involuntarily celibate.
	So femmcell, there's just people will stop true.
	I mean, if, well, you may be right.
	So maybe I'm, maybe femcell isn't real.
	I think you were voluntarily celibate.
	I saw myself that way, but yeah, maybe I was volunteering.
	I think any woman, if she makes herself sexually available, she can get penis.
	I don't disagree there.
	Any man who makes himself sexually available can't get pussy.
	Yes, he can.
	If a woman is nice, there's 100% girls.
	Like, that will fuck.
	Like, you can go find each other.
	It's just like, do you want to go fucking put in the effort?
	But the second you brand yourself as an incel, man or woman, like I definitely think it's granted, it's harder for like incels than femcels or whatever, but they could definitely go find girls to fuck.
	Go to like your local, I don't know, Dungeons and Dragon sermons or something.
	I'm sure you could find yourself a lady somewhere.
	Like fucking nerdy girls don't have standards.
	I don't know, Craigslist.
	The idea here is, though, any woman can be a slut.
	Any woman can be a slut.
	Any woman can be a slut.
	You could be a slut.
	Maybe you, after you lost your virginity, maybe you became one.
	Any man can also get sex.
	He can buy it.
	Well, it's hard for men.
	It is hard.
	Purchasing.
	But that transcends the understanding of what we're talking about when we're talking about, yes, then there wouldn't even be a point of making this categorization if it's the case that, well, both men and women can just procure sex through transaction, through just paying for it.
	What we're talking about is someone who has a base level, some degree of desire to have non-transactional sex with you.
	I mean, listen, it's more of a feeling than a reality, the femcell thing.
	If you feel like a femcell, you're a femcell.
	If you don't feel like one, then you're not.
	I think there's power.
	I think there's power to that.
	Like once you get to that.
	There's some women who feel that they're undesirable or that they feel that they're fundamentally unlovable.
	You know, that's the thing too.
	But once you accept that perception of yourself, then it's obviously like if you see yourself a certain way, then you're going to portray yourself that way to the world.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	So you think there's power in rebuking that title.
	But look, the reality is, any woman can be a massive slut.
	In order to be a sluttish guy, you got to bring a little more.
	You got to bring a little something to the table, you know.
	Or just look by Bonnie Blue.
	I'm just saying, you as women, you can hop on it.
	You can hop on a dating app tonight, 10.13 p.m. on a fucking Sunday in small ass Santa Barbara, and y'all, good chance you can find some dick.
	I mean, but I can't hop on Hinge and get me some last-minute pussy on a Sunday night.
	You can't do that.
	If you have no standards, if you have no standards, you can.
	Trust me.
	Trust me.
	Even if I was lowered my standard, I matched with a fucking Wildebeest on fucking Hinge.
	It's very hard.
	Women want to feel safe.
	They want to feel comfortable.
	They want to plan the date.
	Maybe next day, a couple days in advance.
	Even then, sex ain't a guarantee.
	All I'm saying is, here, I'll put it this way: you, right there, you, Eugenia.
	Did I say your name right?
	Yeah.
	You.
	You, that person.
	The person, the agent, the whatever the fuck the other thing is.
	Okay.
	I would bet my life savings that if we both downloaded the dating app tonight, you could get dick faster than I could get pussy.
	Oh, my God.
	I believe that.
	Who agrees?
	Who here at the table?
	Who of the women agree that a good friend, Eugenia?
	Thank you for that.
	Like a theoretical ego, right?
	Chat.
	Wait, chat, chat, chat.
	Do you think Eugenia could get some dick faster than I could get some pussy?
	Or could just tonight?
	She could get it tonight.
	I can't.
	I'd lose.
	You could still get it.
	Which man on the street are you talking about?
	She's like, are you asking me?
	Which homeless guy are you referring to?
	Well, that's her territory, okay?
	Let's see.
	She'll hook you up with someone.
	I'm sorry.
	That's right.
	Great.
	Fuck you.
	I was going to leave that part out.
	Okay, listen.
	Chad, do you think, wait, just chat, say, Eugenia or Brian, who do you think would be more able to get some tonight, Sunday, last minute?
	Sunday.
	Sunday's on the dick appointment.
	Last minute.
	Chill out, Felicity.
	Calm down, Felicity.
	Yeah, Brian could get dick.
	Because they know you, though.
	Yeah, internet call will get you farther.
	Come on.
	I know you all.
	They're coming from like fucking Idaho and Kentuckian or some shit.
	You think Santa Barbara women want to date me?
	Bro, this fucking liberal city, bro.
	It's fucking liberal.
	They don't want to date me.
	They're like, oh my God, these socks like that.
	Just lie what your show's about.
	Be like, yeah, I run a Santa Barbara women.
	Don't fuck with me, bruv.
	I'm too moderate for these liberal Santa Barbara women.
	Aren't they going to be college girls?
	Yeah, Santa Cruz.
	I got to hit Bakersfield or some shit.
	Well, now we know who wronged you.
	Santa Barbara women.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm so hurt.
	Hey, well, first of all, just to be clear, I've got plenty of Santa Barbara pussies.
	I believe.
	All right, relax, okay, lady.
	I'm feeding into what you're saying.
	You're saying you can't get any.
	Either you can or you can't.
	I'm just saying at the last minute.
	Look, I'm saying a crunch.
	I'm saying, well, also, my political views have evolved over time.
	And, you know, now that I'm a bit more out there, you know, got a lot of Kamala voters in Santa Barbara.
	It's not doing me a lot of favors, you know.
	I mean, but look, I listen.
	Go to Orange County, right?
	Yeah, good idea.
	That's a great idea.
	Thank you for offering that up.
	You're getting more.
	Am I?
	No, no, no.
	He's just adopting your guys as either.
	Culture of appropriation.
	Oh, God.
	Film studies PhD, concentration in feminist film theory.
	You also wrote, though, this femme thing, right?
	Okay, I don't think women can be fem cells.
	I think any woman here, you download a dating app.
	I think you can get dick within 24 hours.
	I can't say the same thing about men.
	I don't think that they can download the dating app and within 24 hours have pussy magically appear.
	You know.
	I mean, yes, men want you to come over at like 2 a.m. to their partner.
	I would do a very respectable 6 p.m. brunch or some shit.
	Brunch, I'll even do a still can't get some pussy if I offer brunch.
	Come over at 2 a.m. and yeah, blow me.
	Yeah.
	I'll meet a girl for brunch.
	Still ain't getting pussy.
	It's fucked up.
	Y'all can just be like, oh, it's fucking 3 a.m.
	Okay, Denny's, whatever.
	Okay, I can get it super late as long as it's before 2.
	You go to a bar.
	2 a.m.
	There's definitely some 50-year-old lady on a Sunday in a fucking avoiding going home to her husband, drunk as fuck.
	You could definitely kill it.
	She's like, oh, you remind me of my old hundred.
	Eugenia, your rest of your notes here, you're like, you guessed dating topics would be something like, why is there this meme-ified male loneliness epidemic narrative when men are the ones who are really picky and easily turned off when it comes to women and are quick to ghost?
	You think men are really picky?
	Men are the picky ones?
	I mean, aren't you?
	No?
	More women are choosing to be aware of that.
	I think women are pickier than men, generally speaking.
	Me?
	I'm.
	You're picky.
	And there are a lot of men like you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm not that picky.
	There are a lot of men like you.
	I'm not that picky.
	I mean, everyone has a right to be picky.
	I'm not saying it's a bad or a good thing.
	I'm just saying men get disgusted easily.
	Sounds like a you problem.
	Yeah, sure.
	It's a me problem.
	I get disgusted easily too.
	Like that, that meme.
	You get the ick.
	There's a reason like that meme went viral.
	Like, you know, of all the girls being like the most dramatic ones, obviously.
	Like, I saw my boyfriend get in a car accident, and it was so gross the way he like died.
	Yeah.
	My boyfriend died.
	Oh, my gosh.
	That's crazy.
	I'm kidding.
	But do you actually think that's the case that men are pickier than?
	Do you think men are pickier than women?
	I mean, my screenwriting teacher had a good saying.
	He said, every man has a woman and a dog who will love him.
	I don't know if the same can be said for women.
	Every woman has a man.
	No, that's not a great thing to say.
	But just like every man will find a woman willing to, you know, to look after him.
	Wait, is somebody breathing all over the mic?
	Is that me?
	Am I doing that?
	Somebody, people in the chat are saying, stop breathing.
	Am I deuce?
	I don't know if it's me.
	Maybe it's somebody else.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Is it me, chat?
	Am I the one who's breathing, or is it somebody else?
	Chair two?
	Okay.
	Because you're so mean.
	That's what they're fucking saying.
	I know, I know.
	I was talking to chat.
	Now you guys.
	Chair two.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Your PhD program at Glasgow.
	Did I say it right?
	Glasgow?
	Glasgow.
	University in Film Studies with concentration in feminist film theory and female erotic gaze.
	What's that?
	What is it?
	What is female erotic gaze?
	Well, that's why I'm looking at those three filmmakers that I mentioned before.
	They're sexy.
	Because I'm arguing that they have what's called reciprocal erotic gaze in the reverse.
	Okay.
	You said you're an American, though, based in NYC and sometimes visiting LA.
	Your positions aren't that common in liberal feminism as you're more of a second wave-leaning feminist and oriented towards liberation versus equality with men.
	So can you explain that?
	Liberation versus equality.
	What do you mean?
	The equality thing is Based on what, right?
	There has to be a context there.
	I don't think, like we've been talking about, there isn't men and women are different.
	I do believe that in essential ways.
	So what is this equality thing?
	Like that whole argument about this conscription was based on that idea that women are inherently different.
	They shouldn't be in the military.
	So again, the equality argument doesn't work.
	So yeah, the liberation works better as in women just have a right to their own self and to be who they are.
	That's what I mean.
	And they don't need to live in the I or the, you know.
	They don't need to live under the watchful eye and gaze of men.
	They can live their own life without constantly worrying what men will think about them.
	I love that for you.
	So okay, that's cool.
	You also said you have nothing against the LGBTQ movement, but you don't believe men can become women and should be included in women's movements.
	I think there can be a third thing.
	They can be their own thing.
	It doesn't have to be.
	Men's liberation.
	Yeah, exactly.
	She's part of your movement.
	No, men's liberation is not men's rights.
	Men's liberation.
	Don't you want to be free of women?
	Aren't we annoying?
	What?
	no see this is clearly not Like, this is what's always interesting to me when it comes to these conversations.
	People maybe have this misjudgment that I like dislike or hate women.
	I think women are great.
	I don't always agree with them on everything, especially the ones that come on the show.
	But I would never say, like, there's a lot of misander.
	Okay, I don't know why you're laughing, but I would never say, for example, that I hate women or all women are trash.
	Whereas I see a lot of rhetoric coming from feminists.
	You just insulted all of us.
	That's why I was laughing.
	It was funny.
	What?
	How did I insult everybody?
	It's because the show invites, you said you invite women on the show who you dislike.
	No, don't agree with.
	There's a big difference between dislike and dislike.
	All right, all right.
	Yeah, it's getting late.
	I'm not hearing things correctly.
	It invites conversations.
	That's the whole point.
	Yeah, so I would never ever say that I hate women or like make broad generalizations in terms of like having like saying women are trash.
	Never say it completely abhor.
	And I would counter men who use that kind of language.
	Whereas there are a bunch of feminists who are openly misandrist who will say men are trash.
	I hate all men, blah, blah, blah.
	And feminists will make, will do a defense of this sort of thing, saying that this sort of thing is okay or it's not really that bad.
	Misandry isn't a big deal.
	So that's a huge differential.
	I think women are great.
	Again, there are specific women that I don't agree with.
	And I think also, I mean, look, we've all had bad experiences when it comes to dating.
	I think I've actually, of the women I have had long-term relationships with, almost all of them have been really wonderful women.
	And I really don't have anything negative to say about them.
	Sometimes relationships don't work.
	There's like one or two girls I've had some bad experiences with, but I would not ever paint like all women are bad because I've had one, two, or three bad experiences with some, like this group of women.
	So I just want to, I feel like I've actually never put that out there, but some people are like, Brian, you're such a misogynist, and they have this warped perception of me.
	But I can categorically state here that that's absolutely just not the case.
	No idea where the fuck I was going with that.
	I hate men and you don't hate women, yeah?
	I don't hate men.
	Oh, yeah.
	Chill out, lady.
	That's not what I was saying.
	You set them up or something.
	Oh, the men's.
	Oh, no.
	Okay, I remember where this stems from.
	The men's liberation thing.
	So men's rights and men's liberation are separate.
	So men's liberation is male advocacy through the lens of feminist ideology and rhetoric, which I think is a terrible lens to attempt to advocate for men through.
	So I believe that there should be a separation between men's liberation and men's rights advocacy.
	Okay.
	And I'm in the camp of men's rights advocacy.
	Men's lib is men's advocacy through the lens of feminism, which is fucking soloy.
	So what are the men's rights that you're the rights that you don't have?
	What are the rights?
	What are the rights you don't have?
	So men's rights advocacy is sort of an umbrella term.
	I'm playing the villain, don't you want that?
	Men's rights advocacy doesn't always necessarily, like not every grievance that men deal with specifically have to do with rights as granted by the government.
	But for example, I'll give you a couple, I guess, rights related here.
	So we've already talked about most of them, actually.
	So there would be certain like laws as it relates to family law.
	So if we're talking about unfair custody laws, unfair child support laws, unfair alimony laws, these would relate to certain rights.
	For example, lack of parental rights, lack of father's rights as it relates to access to their children.
	There's some differences that can be made there.
	We already talked about circumcision.
	This isn't specifically a right, but what I would say is the government restricts female genital mutilation.
	And what I would like to see the government do is pass laws that restrict male genital mutilation or circumcision.
	So that's sort of a little bit within the realms of rights.
	The draft, selective service, this is also a rights component.
	And then what's the other one?
	I would like to see perhaps fairness and equality when it comes to prosecution of crimes between men and women and the prison sentences that are given.
	I think there should be more fairly okay.
	Well, I don't disagree with men having parental rights or the prison sentencing.
	So there's not an argument there.
	I'm just saying men can have rights and women can have rights.
	And one doesn't have to come at the expense of the other.
	I mean, I would actually argue that feminists tend to view things much more through the lens of a zero-sum game than that.
	Well, I'm not your strawman feminist that you want to build up.
	I don't know.
	Well, I'm not your straw man, whatever, whatever.
	You've been trying to build up all night.
	I was simply pointing certain things out.
	It's fine.
	Okay, cool.
	So I don't want to derail too much on that, but I'll continue on with your notes here.
	So you're against like, you're not in favor of the tea stuff, basically.
	I mean, I'm fine with everyone living their life the way they want to live it.
	I just don't see why it has to be at the expense of someone else.
	Can you open the door, Nick?
	Right, but you'd probably be against men competing in women's sports, like transgender women, I guess.
	Yeah, they should have their own league or something.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, perhaps we, one point of agreement we might have.
	You said that you think current feminist movement has lost the thread and needs to return to a concept of liberation versus seeking equality with men.
	You relate somewhat with the feminism of someone like Camille Paglia, where she believes in Amazonian feminism, but then women should be more self-possessed and that Me Too movement accomplished very little.
	You also strongly relate to the, okay, I'm not going to get into that.
	Reclaiming the power of sex and female desire.
	Okay.
	That's just what my stuff is about at the show.
	And then you said you're more radically feminist than probably most of the women who have been on your show.
	So how are you radically feminist?
	Well, because of the focus on equality, that is generally liberal feminism.
	And mine is a different focus.
	What is radical about it, though?
	I don't know.
	I just think a lot of women spend their life concerned with how they're living it in the eyes of men.
	And that I feel should be not something that women spend their life living their life that way.
	I'm trying to be moderate here.
	Okay, so you're saying like de-centering men.
	Yeah.
	Something like that.
	Okay, so what does that look like?
	And why is it radical?
	I think I was kidding.
	Like I was exaggerating, you know.
	Like when you were doing the hypothetical about matriarchy in my hypothetical joke world, yeah.
	I would love a, you know, a handmaid's tale from men or whatever.
	You know, that's it was a joke.
	It was a joke.
	No, but you wrote here.
	I was joking.
	It's not realistic.
	It's not realistic.
	I just want to fix it.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	Did that.
	We got to do.
	Whoops.
	Can you stop throwing things?
	I know.
	It's crazy.
	Abuse.
	Very abusive.
	Very sexist.
	Elizabeth.
	Okay.
	You said you're no longer doing OnlyFans, no longer dancing.
	Okay, that's cool.
	W. Four kids, four baby daddies.
	We talked about that, I'm pretty sure.
	Are you looking for like a number five or what's up?
	No, my tubes are tied.
	Oh, tubes tied.
	Okay, obviously.
	No, I so I stopped, I got my daughter to Boston.
	So I stopped dancing and doing OF just like I said I would.
	And then, yeah, no, I'm just, I'm getting ready to go back to school in August.
	And yeah.
	Okay.
	You fixed her.
	Nice.
	Whatever, fun.
	You say that you may not be living a traditional lifestyle, but doesn't mean you don't long for that.
	And you're trying to get to that point.
	You wrote why women are looked down upon for doing sex work, but the men that fund it, excuse me, aren't looked down upon.
	Yeah, that bothers me.
	So when you say funded, do you mean like the men who purchase, who purchase the content?
	Are you talking about the traditional adult content industry where like most of the pornography producers were men or whatever?
	No, I'm talking more like with OnlyFans and like at ship clubs, how the dancers are looked down upon, the content creators are looked down upon.
	Yeah.
	But yet the men that make the whole industry viable, they don't, nothing gets said about them.
	What do you mean?
	They're fucking simps.
	I look down on them.
	Yeah, but as a society, I don't think that it gets talked about enough.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Okay, from a couple different angles here.
	I think other men are going to clown on other dudes who are like fucking gooner porn addicts.
	Like, if we're talking about masculine men, they're going to look down on fucking gooners.
	And then, two, women themselves will commonly say, and this is across the political spectrum, whether I think you're a conservative woman or liberal woman.
	I think a lot of women say, yeah, I don't want to date a guy who watches porn.
	Okay, but like, who?
	The people that go in the shower.
	Hold on.
	That's crazy.
	Lots of women say they don't want to date a guy who watches porn.
	That's crazy.
	Why is that crazy?
	Okay, but you're a gooner.
	You're an apolycule.
	I'm not a gooner.
	You're a fucking gooner.
	I am literally not a gooner.
	You're a gooner.
	No, but also there is.
	You're fucked a homeless guy.
	Sorry.
	Dude.
	Okay, he's a struggling artist.
	Just until his career took off, okay?
	Listen, he was funny too.
	Can be damaged.
	Have I ever been with a homeless woman?
	Nope.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	She was in between places, but whatever.
	Exactly.
	I'm just kidding.
	Listen, he was in between, you know, here and sardom.
	So, okay, but so I think men, like, there's a, there's literally a term that shames these kinds of, they're simps.
	Yeah, trust me, both ways where there's like a pornography epidemic, and oh my god, everyone is doing.
	I hear that all the time.
	Like, maybe not here, but like on grids panels, they're like, there's this huge porn epidemic.
	You can't be like, it's a small niche community of guys that we look down upon and have an epidemic.
	I think we can maybe test this super simply.
	What do you think in comparison is worse?
	A woman who makes releases one video of, I'll be fair, releases one video of her doing a BG scene, a boy girl scene, so like hardcore sex, versus a guy who one time one time watches that scene.
	Be paying for it.
	sure he paid 20 bucks to get access to the i mean the girl boy is obviously worse but i feel like if it's like so there's scales to it Yeah, 100%.
	I don't know because it's like people.
	I did OnlyFans and people would pay me just to pay me essentially.
	But like it would bother me too because pornography is free.
	So like in my head, I was like, you're paying me for what when you can like get it for free somewhere else.
	I mean, look, there's a scale to it, though.
	Like some young guy who paid 10 bucks once to subscribe to a Girls OnlyFans for one month.
	Like that's a really small scale compared to some of the whales that spent thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on OF.
	Or like, I don't know.
	I think there's scales to it.
	There's levels to it.
	I would not categorize a guy who like one time.
	I don't think they should do it, but I wouldn't be like, oh my God, you're this one time, you spent $10 on it chicks.
	Do you want to call them a simp?
	I don't think in general I wouldn't call him a simp.
	I mean, there would be other factors, but like a guy one time purchased OF for spent 10 bucks.
	That specific action, not ideal, but to broadly categorize him as a simp, probably not.
	But like a guy repeating pattern of behavior, probably a simp.
	Like if he's spending monthly and it's an ongoing thing and he's spending like, I don't know, the auto pay.
	100 bucks a month on porn.
	Yeah, kind of a simple.
	I don't know if I wrote this in, but I think a big problem with that too is the instant gratification that society has now is a really big problem in the dating scene.
	But ideally, if they are consuming porn, we'd want them to be paying for it, right?
	Like, because, okay, if we're talking about like ethical consumption, right?
	If you're going to watch it, like, ideally, you'd be funding the creator.
	So why would we condemn them if it's like, if anything, that's like the ethical way to purchase it?
	As a men's rights activist, you should be anti-porn because it's harming you.
	It's harming men.
	It's giving them erectile dysfunction.
	It's giving them porn brain.
	It's ruining their sex life.
	It's like brain rot.
	Yeah, I advocate for men to like to stop watching it.
	Oh, you do?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Like, but I'm not going to go to the extreme of like a guy who like occasionally watches it.
	I don't think that's to the level of, I still, I still think it's less than ideal.
	I don't think he should.
	Why?
	But like, I think, yeah, if you consume like a video for 20 minutes if you're a dude and you're fucking beating it or whatever.
	Like every couple weeks.
	Okay.
	Like I don't get why anyone would demonize watching porn.
	That's crazy.
	Like I don't think it's the same impact as a guy who's like who's addicted to the shit and it's impacting his relationship.
	Me personally though, I don't watch it at all.
	I just haven't experienced anyone who's actually actually genuinely addicted to it.
	I feel like there's people out there.
	There's people.
	I know that there's OF stars right now that there's guys buying them houses and cars, like one single person.
	Losers.
	Follow me on Twitch.
	Simps.
	Yeah, they shouldn't do it.
	But yeah, I think men who are, I think they get looked down upon by both men and women.
	These like dudes who are like, okay, if a guy admitted to his friend group, hey, by the way, I spend $500 a month being a pay pig for some like OF girl, the dudes would absolutely clown him.
	And I guarantee you, if he admitted that, like on first dates to women, a lot of women are going to be like, okay, this guy's a clown.
	I'm not going to deal with that.
	I think most girls are not going to be cool dating a dude who's spending $500 a month on OF.
	Agreed.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Most girls are going to clown on him.
	So I think it comes from both directions.
	Moving it on, you wanted to.
	Okay, we already did the Andrew thing.
	You had two restraining orders on your ex.
	Did we talk about that last show, though?
	Okay.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Okay, so that's your notes.
	We did Sin Kelly.
	That's me.
	Okay, you...
	Oh, no.
	Well, you said you were in a poly relationship when you first messaged, but you got dumped or whatever.
	You got something about being noobed.
	Yeah, that was.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I literally.
	And then you sent me some chat GPT shit, but okay.
	Whenever there's, I mean, it's actually frustrating.
	You guys know what's chat GPT?
	What's that symbol where it's a double dash?
	Is that what's the double dash called?
	Chat, what's the double dash called?
	Like, here, I'll put it in the chat.
	This thing?
	What's that?
	What's that called, chat?
	EM dash.
	I fucking use that shit.
	I've always used dashes when I'm messaging.
	But now people think I'm using chat GPT because chat GPT overuses dashes.
	Dashes?
	Like us?
	Dashes?
	A dash.
	I use that dash all the time.
	Okay.
	Look at all my YouTube video titles.
	They all have dashes in them.
	Okay, sure, bro.
	Dash.
	Just kidding.
	Factory.
	Okay, so you're going to know on Twitter.
	Wait, shit, Vermilion.
	Stop trying to disparage name.
	Sorry, Vermilion.
	I don't need AI.
	You were minimized Vermilion.
	I don't know if you're still here.
	Wait.
	No, but the dumping, okay?
	Literally, I was like playing Fortnite with this guy.
	This is why you shouldn't manifest.
	If you don't think you have power in your head, literally, the guy was like so tripping about this guy.
	Yeah.
	Vermillion says, sorry, what?
	Oh, sorry.
	And you can't stream with him.
	And then I ended up going to LA and hanging out with him and his friends that weekend.
	I forgot.
	I love that for you.
	So, okay, you said you want to question why everyone thinks men.
	Wait.
	Oh, hold on.
	Here, let's do this.
	You wanted to talk about men and their emotional capacity.
	Wait, can you read what I wrote in the elaboration?
	Sorry.
	I know.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I think I was like half faded when I first got to the point.
	Okay, a specific disagreement I might have with the show hosts is when male emotional detachment is framed as just a biological or inevitable difference between genders.
	I think it's more nuanced and heavily influenced by culture and upbringing.
	I'd be interested in unpacking that dynamic in conversation.
	These are so much cringier when he's like reading them back to you in real time.
	No, I was just saying, like as far as like when you have sex, like some people say that only women are like predisposed to like whatever, be chemically like bound to them or whatever.
	And like, I don't think it's like inherently because Like inherently gendered.
	I think like men obviously do too.
	I think it's probably just awesome.
	I'm sorry.
	Damn.
	Really?
	Got through it.
	What?
	I just said what?
	No, no, no.
	I'm just saying, like, it's not like a gendered thing that when you have sex, you're like bonded to someone.
	Oh, I thought this was about you trying to suggest that like men lack emotional right, but that's what I'm saying.
	Like when they're like, oh, yeah, after women fuck, like they're just emotionally attached and like men just don't have that emotional attachment.
	I'm like, I don't think it's like that.
	I think it's just like a societal thing.
	Profound.
	Love it.
	So final notes here from, and then we need to get back.
	We're finishing up Julie's notes here.
	There's quite a bit.
	So let's see.
	What do you say to it?
	Oh, no, we did that.
	Julie, you wanted to talk about marriage.
	You're asking me if I'm okay with common law marriage.
	You'll never get married again via normal channels because of state involvement.
	You can also have additional info stated on a contract that's notarized and signed with your partner and added to your UCC1 filing to address any stipulations.
	So that's back to the secured, what is it?
	Secured credit.
	What is it?
	Secured party creditor.
	It doesn't have to be in that credit contract.
	You can do a common law marriage without that.
	So it's just removing the station.
	Faux show.
	Okay.
	How does one meet people outside of dating apps?
	If you don't go out often, you don't want to date.
	You know, you should, Julie, you should join a club or something.
	I don't know.
	You should go to like a salsa.
	Like a Trump rally or something.
	QA.
	They'd be all over you.
	They'd be all over you.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You disagreed about my Jake Gyllenha rating as a 10.
	You know, honestly, Julie, you know, I don't know if I was, was I claiming that Jake Gyllenhal was a 10?
	You always bring him up when you ask people to identify.
	Well, because there was a girl on a show a couple weeks ago who said she said she was a 10.
	And I asked her, who's a guy who you think is a 10?
	And I think she said Jake Gyllenhal.
	And I was like, do you think you can get Jake Gyllenhal?
	Yeah, I do recall that, but you've also brought him up several times.
	I don't, you know, I just cringe.
	I don't see.
	Okay, well, what's Julie?
	Now, what's a 10 to you?
	A 10.
	Is Nick a 10?
	Nick's very, very handsome, but he's not my type.
	Oh, he's not.
	Oh, sorry, Nick.
	Sorry, Susan.
	A little on the younger side.
	He's too young for you.
	What's the youngest you would date?
	Asking for a friend.
	Honestly, since I've been, I would say since I turned like 40, I've only had younger people interested in me.
	I've never had anyone.
	I mean, not that there's been tons, but no one my age or older.
	Huh.
	So wait, the older guys, they're not going for you.
	What are they going for?
	Apparently not, but I'm not out and about very often.
	You're not in the streets.
	Yeah, I'm not in the streets.
	You're not on the streets.
	Good one.
	My favorite guy right now is Pedro Pascal.
	I think he's everyone's favorite.
	Your favorite?
	Pedro Pascal?
	But we go for like a Paul Walker before.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	He's a bit soy, but whatever.
	Okay, so anyways, you said, oh, these are your old notes.
	You met someone.
	tell me if we went over these last show because if i recall last show we didn't get to get to some of your notes but some of mine are boring after uh you read them back to me so Oh, damn.
	She's like, okay.
	Well, I'll read some.
	And you met someone on Instagram five years ago.
	He red-pilled you.
	He, you, you talked every day, all day through for like five weeks.
	He appeared to be very genuine, made it seem as though he had so many things in common.
	You guys agreed to meet.
	You drove to him in Vegas.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Then he said he had a gambling tournament that same night.
	And then you suggested we change the night, but he didn't budge.
	And then he said he'd only be gone for a couple hours.
	Wait.
	Oh, okay.
	Told you he was going to take you out.
	You got there.
	You guys did our thing.
	Oh, okay.
	So you met it.
	So you guys hooked up.
	Ow, yeah.
	Julie, did you have carnal knowledge with Vegas red pill guy?
	I did, yes.
	Wait, hold on.
	So soon.
	Wait, is he like a creator, like content creator?
	No, no.
	Community meeting.
	Find everybody.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Julie, Julie, Julie, hold on.
	You said that you disagreed with me on not sleeping with someone so quickly.
	I did.
	But earlier.
	But I said, my views had changed since then.
	But also, I did acknowledge if you're talking to some, that would be my exception if you're talking to someone all the time.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	You do.
	Okay, so you do say here that you talked every day for five weeks.
	Like on the phone or what?
	Text.
	No, actually, it was text because he never spoke on the phone.
	Oh, it was just messages?
	But after three dates.
	No, no, but you drove to see him in Vegas.
	And then you, okay, so you went to his hotel room, right?
	Or did he have a house out there?
	Nope.
	Oh, yeah.
	I didn't know anything about him.
	He gave me a fake name.
	Oh, shit.
	Wait, so question.
	You go to meet him at his hotel or whatever.
	How soon from you meeting him to carnal knowledge, what is the length of time, Julie, that elapsed?
	I would say a solid five minutes.
	Wow.
	The hypocrite.
	No, I'm not.
	Leave her alone.
	He said, I would never after three dates.
	I'm shit on us for speaking now.
	She said, it took about five minutes.
	Okay, but talking consistently for five weeks.
	He said texting, not like texting and phone calling.
	She didn't even know his name.
	It was to be a welcome.
	I would at least do a little conversation.
	I know, five minutes.
	I would pull up to Vegas.
	Do you want to gamble?
	He's like, I don't even know if I could, like, even if I'd been talking to a girl for a minute.
	Like, even I as the guy, maybe this comes off kind of like lame or whatever.
	I would need at least a little bit of getting to know you.
	Yeah.
	Well, we spent five weeks literally talking about texting.
	Is it not like text?
	Texting is nothing.
	He probably was using like an AI chat box.
	Did he lie about every five years ago?
	Not that.
	I mean, there was, you know, there was some, they weren't as good now, but there was AI chat.
	Yeah, how'd you find out he lied?
	Yeah.
	Did he lie about everything?
	Well, here, I'll get into the rest of the notes that you provided.
	You said, so you did your thing.
	You, you show up, you guys hook up within five minutes of meeting.
	Vermilion looks like he has something on this.
	So he, wait, question.
	Okay, so you show up five minutes later, you guys have carnal knowledge.
	Is it good?
	Sorry, that was worth it.
	It was fun.
	Okay, that wasn't.
	I don't know.
	That wasn't very convincing.
	How soon after the sex does he dip?
	Like, right after?
	10 minutes?
	Was there post-maybe like was there obligatory post-sex cuddling or no?
	Maybe, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes.
	Oh, my God.
	Sound dirty.
	I had known in advance.
	Oh my God, you're so nice.
	And this guy was totally fucked up.
	Okay, fucked you over.
	Well, wait, hold on, pause.
	Wait, it's okay.
	So he left to go to his event.
	You entertained yourself, used to love Vegas.
	You took yourself to dinner.
	You talked to a friend on the phone after about three and a half hours because you were planning to meet back up with him after his event, right?
	Right.
	You start messaging him.
	You thought he wasn't coming back.
	Messages, calls, no answer.
	Seven and a half hours later, he calls and threatens not to come back because you're acting irrational.
	No apology, nothing.
	He gets back, and no sign of remorse, nothing.
	The rest of the night was fun, but he Julie.
	Julie?
	Wait, hold on.
	You fucked him again?
	Julie.
	Julie, oh my God.
	This was like my last lesson.
	I thought before I had started speaking to him, I thought, I'm good.
	I've learned all these lessons and I'm wise, this, that, and the other.
	And in my head, I would look back and I think God was like, girl, we're going to give you a new lesson.
	Question: He calls you irrational, blah, blah, blah.
	You're maybe a little upset that you're under the impression maybe he played you, ghosted you, but he does eventually way later show back up to the hotel room.
	How soon after you guys reconnected later on in the night, did y'all have carnal knowledge again?
	I'm not sure.
	Probably a little less than an hour, I'm guessing.
	Okay.
	And then was it like a, was that it for the night?
	And then did you guys have some morning delight?
	What the fuck?
	Thank you.
	I think we were up for most of the night and then probably slept a little bit in the morning.
	And then he had to go.
	He had to run away.
	And I drove home.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Run away is crazy.
	Wait, so, okay.
	Okay.
	The rest of the night was fun.
	And then he left in the morning.
	You drove back home wondering what the heck just happened.
	And then you said that you think he has to have autism.
	Yeah, so the reason I shared this, obviously, I don't really prefer to share certain things, but it was fun.
	And that's what we're supposed to do on the show anyway.
	But no, so like I said, he wouldn't change the date.
	Had to be that day.
	Said he would only be gone for like two and a half hours.
	Was gone for seven and a half.
	He was getting upset with me for being upset.
	Came back.
	The guy literally had zero emotion whatsoever, like someone who is not capable of empathy.
	He already got the prize.
	And so something was off.
	And so I thought, okay, well.
	Must be autism.
	Well, it must be.
	It must be autism.
	I mean, I work in my glen.
	You know, like it just something, something was going through my head.
	Okay, well, something's wrong with this person.
	So I start looking at that up.
	Then more crazy issues come up, and I'm trying to figure out what it is.
	I didn't trust that his name at that point was what he said it was.
	So I start looking it up in Vegas.
	There's no one by that name.
	Then I look up, I don't know how I figured this out, but there's an area in Vegas that has a park that's named with the last name of what he gave me.
	There's just, I can't even remember all the crazy.
	He would send, and I'm the idiot for falling into all this nonsense.
	So like, that was my lesson there.
	But I wish I could remember all the crazy things that transpired during this time.
	But anyway, it was just a nutcase.
	And I'm the nutcase for participating in that for well.
	You said that you later decided that he had disorganized attachment, a list of traits, but standing out would be a lack of empathy and potential, potential sociopath.
	It'll be too long if you go into too much detail.
	Long story short, over the next five to six months, you drove out to see him another five or six times.
	Nearly everything.
	It was good then.
	It was a mental health.
	That's dedication.
	Mentally.
	Intoxicating.
	Yeah.
	Go with that.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Wait, is this the guy you recently digmatized?
	Stickmatized, yes.
	That's what happened.
	Indeed.
	Wow.
	But see, you got to understand, Julie.
	This is why, this is what I was arguing about with you saying you're not sleeping with someone as quickly as you expect.
	To be fair, look, I understand you were saying, well, for five weeks, you guys had been texting back and forth.
	I think that, you know, that does build rapport, right?
	You didn't just meet him at a bar and fuck him within five minutes.
	I mean, I had developed some fairly decent, strong feelings by that time.
	But, you know, a guy looks at this and it's like, okay, well, I don't know.
	It's a little bit like the next guy you make wait, he hears this story.
	It's like, hold on, you fuck this guy right away.
	Basically.
	I mean, like I said, that is the exception would be getting to know someone in that amount of detail.
	Okay.
	You got done dirty, though, Julie.
	Did you e-sex before you sexed?
	I mean, I'm an idiot, so I mean, I take ownership of my poor choice.
	Did you have like Discord sex before you had real sex?
	Yeah, you had a blade, you know, something like that.
	Did you have like Discord remote sex before you had real sex?
	I don't know what Discord is.
	Okay, did you have like FaceTime sex or Skype sex?
	I'm sorry.
	Are you a millennial or you're millennial, right?
	Are you millennial or me?
	I'm 80.
	I'm like, Julie, you aged so well.
	I'm like, goddamn.
	Thank you.
	Chad, is she because you're 45, right?
	Are you millennial or gen X?
	I'm not, right?
	X is after the later one.
	I think you're Gen X.
	I forget which one she thinks millennial.
	My ex-husband's 49.
	Vermillion says that the guy had some kind of cluster B disorder.
	All right, I guess we're.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I don't know, Julie.
	I'm just saying.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	Julie, what's going on?
	Julie, that's dedication, though.
	I mean, that's dedicated.
	I used to be the type of person who wanted to fix people, so I knew that there was something not right.
	But at that point, I had developed these feelings, and I believe that I could fix people.
	Now I don't want anything to do with anyone who has issues.
	Retweet.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You said sometimes you say that, I guess this is moving off of that topic.
	Sometimes you say that responses are wrong, but don't provide how you think it should be.
	For example, what do you think the trade-off exchange should be for chivalry?
	Did we talk about that last time?
	Yeah, I think since I wrote that, I kind of changed my perspective on that.
	You do explain things at times, not always.
	Right.
	You said things that you bring to the table for a man, what you think a woman should bring to the table, and you said that this might not be all-encompassing.
	You said, this is what you bring.
	A smile on your face, each and every emphasis on every time he comes home from slash finishes work, wherever he comes home from, like a puppy waiting at the door for him.
	To your man, you are honor, solace, solace, grace, desire, creator of life, nurture, submissive, excitement, shoulder, passion, soul bearer, confidant.
	I'm his best friend.
	In essence, I am home.
	Does that resonate with any of the other women at the table?
	Then A1000.
	That's nice.
	Why wouldn't you want to be?
	Why wouldn't you want to be a little bit more?
	I'm just the Hot Mass Express.
	He's on those things back.
	I agree.
	I hope you find the one you're looking for, Julie.
	Felicity.
	Is she here?
	Where is she at?
	I need to get up for a moment.
	I think Felicity is going to take over.
	Felicity.
	Sorry, I'm fucking slowing my words at this point.
	There's some other stuff we can get into.
	Hold on.
	Could you stay with a woman who couldn't?
	Men should be on the pet.
	Men should be on the pedestal.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	Well, well put.
	The bad boy theory makes sense.
	You think it's just misguided.
	And the reason behind it is because women like confident, dominant men.
	So it's not, I think that that is the idea behind it.
	It's not that women really want an actual bad boy who's messing around doing whatever, but it's that it's the way they carry themselves or dominant, etc.
	All right, I need to get up for a bit.
	Felicity is going to take over.
	This is an opportunity for anybody on the panel.
	If you want to weigh in.
	Does this go past 11?
	Yeah, we probably got another hour or so.
	Yeah.
	I blame it mostly on you, though, for just all that bad faith argumentation.
	Yeah.
	We went tit for ted with bad faith.
	Good talk.
	Okay, so open, open panel.
	Let's go.
	You know, I know, I know that we got some feminists here.
	I'd love to see, you know, you not looking to the man to, you know, carry the conversation.
	Like, you know, sorry, is your back hurting you want us to talk about?
	Yeah, I'm kind of like, yeah, my back is hurting carrying this fucking conversation, but I'm opening it up to you guys to wait, wait, wait, let's do a test.
	Okay.
	Go.
	My ex-dick tried to contact me.
	Oh, wow.
	See, you're undercutting.
	Guys, what's your biggest regretting?
	My ex that I said.
	You said go, then you undercut.
	Just trying and trying to just contact me just to, you know, that guy?
	Yeah, that guy.
	Different number.
	I changed my number.
	I blocked him off everything.
	Emails, Pinterest, everything.
	Any stuff off my number.
	That's commitment.
	How did you find out he was crazy?
	So his stepdaughter was the one that, because I didn't have social media at this time, you know, so I was off of Somita for like a year and a half during our relationship, which was one of the ones that he asked also.
	So then what reason why, the only reason why I had Facebook Messenger is because my kids still needed to contact their father and they didn't have phones at that time.
	So at that time, I would post like certain pictures.
	And I guess the stepdaughter like found it and she messaged me and sent me pictures and everything.
	You should probably keep like, wait, you like in Messenger, you said?
	Yeah, like Facebook Messenger.
	I was like, let him use Facebook.
	I had deleted it, but I kept that and she found it.
	That shit's fucking traumatizing, though.
	I'm like, dude.
	Yeah.
	So what did she say to you?
	She told me that like he's been married for 18 years.
	They live in the Inland Empire.
	And he was like here.
	I live in East LA.
	So I'm like, damn, LeFar.
	You know, and he worked like in Van Nuys.
	And she said that they've been married for 18 years.
	She still showed me their wedding rings, their most recent pictures together, and stuff like that.
	So I was like, wow.
	All right, hands up if you've walked a guy on a leash.
	Yeah, but as soon as I calmed down, I was over it.
	Like, no, it was over.
	Yeah.
	That's what happened.
	How did you meet?
	No.
	My ex-husband was, he's pretty cool.
	He's like a dad and everything.
	Kept not going for it.
	Did you tell the dude's wife?
	Well, I told the stepdaughter.
	And just hopefully.
	I sent her pictures of us together.
	Why would you send that to the kid?
	She asked me.
	No, that's fucked up.
	She wanted proof.
	No, then you send it to the fucking mother.
	The wife.
	I never spoke to the wife.
	It doesn't matter.
	That's actually really fucked up.
	I don't care.
	That was her and everybody was going to be hurt.
	I don't care.
	How old was she?
	Everybody was going to be hurt.
	How old was she?
	She was 19.
	She's not a kid.
	She's not going to know about what her dad's doing over here.
	I mean, so I send her pictures.
	And apparently, when we went to a trip from Mexico, it wasn't his wife's birthday.
	Why are you in the game?
	You ruined that trip.
	Crazy.
	Like, I was like, what the hell?
	Like, it just shot.
	Yeah, I know.
	I didn't even know until she told me that's my mom's birthday.
	I was like, wow, that's true.
	I literally had this.
	I had that happen to me one time with a fucking co-worker.
	I was like, we were kind of flirty or whatever.
	It was like, not anything serious, but there was like a party that was not officially work related and whatever.
	He was like, everyone's kind of drunk.
	We end up kissing in the kitchen.
	Like a bunch of people saw it.
	And like five minutes later, our other co-worker pulled up.
	And like, they, like, she pulled up and they instantly start acting like a couple.
	And everyone like knew they were dating.
	So everyone at the party is like feeling super awkward until like, yeah.
	Like someone ended up telling the girl, but fucked up.
	Fucked up shit.
	Icky.
	Anyone else been a homewrecker?
	Accidental homewrecker.
	Yeah, honestly, I got played once.
	I was talking to this guy for a while.
	And he used to like come by and hang out all the time.
	And then I found out, like, I got, I got a text from his phone once.
	And there was this girl saying, like, I live with this guy.
	I was like, oh, shit.
	That was gross to me.
	I ran away from that.
	Fuck that.
	I mean, close those doors.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Nobody wants to.
	I mean, can't say nobody, but you shouldn't want to be a homewrecker.
	That's pretty fucking awful.
	No, because I know, because I was married.
	You know, I was divorced and everything when I got into a relationship with him.
	So it's fucked up.
	That's a lot of.
	It seems like a lot of work.
	I know too.
	I'm like, damn, okay.
	You raise a little bar.
	You know, it's okay.
	What you're willing to do.
	You got to deal with two girls.
	And you need it, though, to be honest, because I will get in a car.
	See what I swear.
	I've only not been.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	I feel like it's more messed up in your situation because your kids were involved.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, like somebody else's kids is crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, how are you going to act like fucking a dad?
	We did know him, but it was never, like, he never played stepdad.
	They never gave him that position as the stepdad because they have a dad already.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it was never really like an issue like that.
	You know?
	How long did you wait before you introduced them?
	Six, eight months, I think.
	It was a while.
	It was a while.
	They spoke, like I spoke and they knew that I was talking to somebody.
	But, you know, it wasn't like that until after.
	Martin.
	I've only not been cheated on one time, like throughout my relationship history.
	I'm like, I might not.
	Hang on.
	So I tried Paul Yanni.
	Does anyone guarantee you guaranteed to get cheated then?
	I haven't cheated.
	Wow.
	Has anyone ever cheated?
	No.
	But my most recent partner literally acted like I was.
	I did one time, but I knew I was being cheated on.
	I hate that I cheated on him back.
	Yeah, and then I felt really guilty and I ended the relationship.
	Like I couldn't know what the guilt was.
	Did you come to me you knew?
	He made it pretty obvious that he was cheating.
	And then like I did it back.
	And then I like, like within a month, I was like making myself sick because I felt so guilty.
	And I, to this day, he doesn't know I cheated.
	How did he make it obvious?
	Like, so I was living with him and he would come home with like marks on him and I was in denial.
	I was like, he's not cheating.
	Like, he definitely was because as soon as we broke up, he came to me like a month later and was like, Oh, this girl's pregnant.
	And it was the same girl that he was cheating on me with.
	She was like four months pregnant.
	Mark says in like hickeys and stuff, like on his chest.
	Oh, fuck no.
	I've been like a couple of graphs.
	Did you ask him?
	What is that?
	He was mean.
	I didn't.
	Hey, how'd you get this lipstick on your hand?
	Yeah.
	It wasn't the guy that you can like ask questions to.
	Like, he was very confrontational.
	So it was just easier to not.
	I'm glad you're free now.
	Freeze the word.
	Woo.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's wild.
	Did I already ask?
	Has anyone else been cheated on?
	You said you've been cheated on.
	Yeah, like every single relationship I've been in.
	I'm like, and I feel like you, I, like, my first serious relationship, obviously I tried to like make shit work, but with my, I feel like, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What do you, is that like a common experience?
	Have you guys been cheated on a lot?
	The guy that I'm currently with is the only like serious relationship I've been in that's never did me dirty like that.
	Swear?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, maybe I should date 50 year olds.
	Shitty people.
	They're all just everyone.
	You gotta go 50 plus.
	I well, to be fair, I've only dated like four or five people.
	I'm like, the polycule seems like the natural progression.
	I'm like, okay, cool.
	So if this is just like how the, like, the way life is, I'm like.
	Did you like see the red flags as red flags or did you just like go with it?
	Like the homeless?
	And dude, it was all literally supposed to be fucking ironic.
	Like it was supposed to be a bit like I, like I said earlier, I was streaming.
	Like when I found out he was down to like be as like stupid and like IRL streaming do embarrassing stuff.
	I was like, oh my god, this is equally embarrassing.
	He's like a struggling stand-up, you know?
	And we were just going on dates.
	We were hanging out.
	Like we weren't even hooking up.
	And then just like, I don't know, like one night, I was like, they're kind of cute.
	Is he like a famous comedian?
	No, they're not going to be.
	What's the difference between a polycule and a thrupple in your case?
	Which in your case, I don't even know that you could justify that as being either since you weren't participating with the other women.
	I don't even know.
	I don't know.
	It sounds like he just made it up so we can date two women.
	I swear, it's literally like they were just practicing an open relationship.
	It just blows my mind that both of them have like self-identified as like polyamorous for so long.
	I'm like, I feel like we don't need to always stick a label on everything.
	I'm like, sounds like you're just kind of casually dating people.
	Like, you don't got to be like.
	Swingers.
	No, because swingers, it entails like, apparently, I just found this out recently, all this terminology and stuff.
	But swingers entails that it's like a married couple and they're like a team and they like do it together.
	Like they're with other couples.
	Yeah, locked in.
	Yeah.
	Like, where that's why people use, I guess, the poly label more.
	But I'm like, really, they just wanted like an open relationship.
	But they like the person told me straight up that they didn't want to hear if I started.
	They're like, do you think you're going to start dating someone?
	I'm like, the first month I'm like, no, I'm just getting to know you and like coming to terms with this idea, you know?
	And then they're like, well, I wouldn't want to hear about it if you did.
	I'm like, well, what the fuck am I doing then?
	Like, so open relationship, right?
	Swear.
	They're just like, he's living with his girlfriend.
	It's, I don't know.
	Honestly, yeah.
	It just when we would get in a fight, they go over that way.
	And then I swear when they get in a fight, come over with the swings.
	Are you a swinger?
	No.
	Have you ever tried anything like that?
	No, never.
	Not even in that BDSM relationship.
	That was one of like the roads.
	Like, I'm very monogamous.
	So the first night.
	I don't like sharing either.
	The first night we were all out together, I literally like puked in a bush behind the comedy club because it was just like so awkward.
	Because it was just awkward.
	I was like, we're all dramatic.
	No, it was like tension bringing because like Austin had to.
	Do you think maybe that was your body's like response to not feeling right being in that?
	Probably.
	It's just stress.
	It's stress.
	It was literally just because like he'd go to like, didn't want to show like one of us affection at a time.
	So it's like, but he'd go to put his arm around like both of us.
	I'm like, stop you.
	You're like a pimp right now.
	This looks weird.
	All your friends are like staring at us.
	Like, this is awkward.
	You know?
	You can't do it.
	But I wanted us to go all together because I'm like, I know you bring either of us to the like to the comedy clubs and stuff at a time.
	I'm like, I want the other girls that see me one night and then like the other girl like the next night.
	I want them to know that I know that I'm not a fool, you know?
	I don't know.
	I have a question for you guys.
	How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I'm 5'4 and 5'7, 5'8.
	Okay, what about you?
	Uh, 5'10.
	Take your glasses off, please.
	Okay.
	This is blaring in my eyes.
	Yeah.
	Eye level.
	I prefer eye level.
	So, how tall are you again?
	5'10.
	Okay, so 5'10.
	So, yeah, anything eye level and over.
	Okay.
	Word.
	I'm 5'7, and I'd probably say like 5'9.
	Actually, probably 5'10.
	I could like at least wear a kitten heel, you know?
	You're 5'7 ⁇ ?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you look shorter.
	I actually, I got hit by a car last month and I lost a millimeter of height.
	I like broke my neck, like not ironically.
	So I should probably remeasure.
	I hope I'm still 5'7.
	Millimeter isn't gonna.
	I mean, I'm 5'5 and I thought you and I were like the same.
	No way.
	This is slander.
	This is slander.
	I'm tall.
	I'm probably 5'8, actually.
	I'm super tall.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	This is like a thing with me in my chat.
	They're always saying that I look short.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm like 5'10, and I want someone that's taller than me.
	So like 5'11 to 6' Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'5 and a half, so probably like 5'6, 5'7.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, I'm 5'4 and just be taller than me.
	So 5'5?
	5'5.
	Short kings, hit her up.
	I'm 5'2.
	My preference is about 6 feet, but I've dated shorter, so 5'7 and up.
	But I'm 5'5 and probably like 5'8, I'd say.
	All right, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Like the regular, like 80, 70, 80,000 a year.
	Okay, what about you?
	There's no preference in my mind, so I don't know.
	What if he worked at like a fast food place?
	He'd have to be very good looking with a big dick.
	But I thought there's no preference.
	Well, you know, there's subtlety to everything.
	So he can work at like KFC or something.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	They tell good jokes, dude.
	He looks like, you know, a movie star.
	Yeah, he can work at KFC.
	I want them to at least make as much as me.
	I want them to make like 90k plus.
	Ideally, I want them to like smoke me.
	I want like 160k guy, but I mean, it depends on where we live and stuff, too.
	Where are you from?
	I'm from San Diego.
	Oh, okay.
	Mine's probably like as long as we're stable.
	I have four kids, so as long as we are like a stable household, it doesn't matter.
	Okay, so where do you live again?
	Arizona.
	Okay, so whatever is like average over there.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I don't know.
	So like, yeah, I don't know.
	What about you?
	I agree with the same thing.
	As long as you're in like a stable, like happy home, I don't think it matters.
	And you live in Santa Barbara?
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm working three jobs myself.
	So you're like miles.
	Yeah.
	I'm always gonna work though, so I like working.
	It keeps my mind.
	Like, it's just, yeah, I like working, so.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say around what I make as well.
	I don't need them to be making a significant amount more than me, but what's that?
	I don't really want to say what I make.
	What's like a range?
	It's under $100,000.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think living in California, if it's dual income, I would say $80,000.
	And then if it's just a single income, I would say between $150,000 and $200,000.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I mean, I'm in New York, so like, the thing is, I don't really, I don't mind if you work at a fucking restaurant, but as long as you're actively trying to do something significantly better than that, actively trying, then, you know, you're basically taking a bet on somebody anyway.
	So it doesn't really matter as long as you intend on and are actively working towards better than that, then cool.
	What if he's just with you till he levels up and then he's out?
	Well, I mean, it's a gamble you take when you're trying to be in a committed relationship with somebody, isn't it?
	True.
	So like Olive Garden is okay.
	If, again, like if you have some other venture that you're like, look, I work here now, but I'm really, this is what I'm really trying to put together.
	And you're not just talking about it.
	I see you actively working at it.
	Then that's a gamble I'll take if I like you.
	Just wait till my surfpunk band takes off, babe.
	That's not really, you know?
	I'm kidding.
	It's not too good, is it?
	Just wait till my comedy career takes off.
	Why, you guys are so shy now that Brian's gone.
	What happened?
	You're getting tired.
	You're tired.
	It's past 11.
	We were told 11, I think.
	Yeah, we have energy drinks back there, guys.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	A man.
	A bear.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, what about you?
	Chair two?
	Neither?
	Is that an option?
	Why?
	Why neither?
	I just want a peaceful hike.
	I mean, you see men on hikes all the time, right?
	Yes, I do.
	Random men.
	Yeah, I've been on a hike once we're in Vancouver and there was a random guy and I did not, I turned around and went back.
	So were you thinking, like, I wish this was a bear?
	Like I said, neither.
	Really?
	What if, like, it was in an elevator?
	A random drink.
	Well, I'd prefer a man in an elevator, yeah.
	Unless there was a circus bear or something, yeah.
	A circus bear?
	I mean, I don't know why a bear would be in an elevator.
	It's just hypothetical.
	Okay.
	Do you wish like Nick and Brian were replaced with bears?
	Would that make you happier?
	A trained circus bear, yeah.
	Look at bears.
	They do?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, then I prefer them.
	You would prefer who?
	Brian.
	Okay, good.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	What are you reading?
	I'm feeling like we could all take the bear.
	Why are you wearing it?
	I brought you a copy.
	How to fight a bear and win, dude.
	Oh, okay, there we go.
	I'm feeling like we could all be.
	I don't want to fight the bear.
	I only like changing the light bulb.
	Excuse me.
	I don't even like changing the light bulb.
	It depends on what needs to get done in the room.
	So what is your option?
	Or would you pick?
	A man, obviously.
	Well, with a man.
	Yeah.
	What were you going to say?
	With certain bears, I forgot which type.
	There's something you can do to, you know, not have them attack you.
	You can, I think, lay down or either.
	I forgot what it is.
	I forgot if it stands out or lay down.
	I forgot.
	You can yell at a black bear, but they still will try to attack you.
	Yeah, no, no.
	I'm joking.
	I've been in the woods with black bears.
	They're not very aggressive.
	A grizzly, you're fucked.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	But a black bear, I've yelled at them and they ran off.
	Oh, yeah, black bears.
	If I'm on a hiking trail, right?
	Then, like, it'd be normal to see a guy.
	But if I'm in the absolute middle of nowhere, I'd probably rather see a black bear.
	But if it's a brown bear or a guy, then definitely a guy.
	Yeah.
	Why the bear over the man at all?
	Because with a bear, like she said, the black bears actually go through trash.
	Well, like I said, a hiking trail is normal to see a guy.
	I don't care if I see a guy in a hiking trail.
	I'm in the middle of miles and miles from land.
	What the hell is this guy doing in the middle of the woods?
	A bear.
	Well, I mean, a bear is right.
	I've been following the wilderness deep into the woods.
	There's a reason for bears to be there.
	Yeah, there's like, it's like, it makes kind of more sense for a bear to be there than a man.
	A grizzly?
	Hell no.
	Yeah, it's just random.
	Are we on a hiking trail or am I like 50 miles?
	I have a better bet that my stun gun is going to work on a man rather than a bear.
	What am I doing there, right?
	Okay, but either way, like picking a bear is crazy.
	Yeah.
	A black bear, I'll be honest, have you dealt with black bears before?
	I don't deal with bears.
	I can tell you right now, the black bear, hey, yo, oh, they get out of here.
	They run away.
	I mean, but a brown bear, they're fucking eating your ass.
	But there's always that chance.
	Yeah, you ought to risk it.
	I'm just saying, again, you guys, statistically, if we put it all like on a scale, a black bear probably has like, I feel like probably has less statistics of fucking you up than a fucking man and a brown bear, you're fucked.
	But like a random man, like totally random.
	Again, am I on a hiking trail?
	Because that would be 50 miles in the woods of Alaska.
	Yeah, she's amazing.
	Then I'm like, hey, yo.
	Yeah, what are we doing here?
	Okay, you know, I'm just because I'm scared of men or anything.
	I mean, what?
	On a hike.
	So on a hiking trail, a guy.
	I feel like I can at least try to fight a mana versus a bear.
	Bear that's going to eat me.
	Yeah, if I was in the middle of nowhere, like 50 miles, totally remote, I would rather see a man.
	Yeah.
	Help me.
	Help me out.
	Well, then I don't know how you got out there to be units, right?
	What are we doing?
	He can fight the bear.
	I'm not fighting the bear.
	Yeah, I'm not going to be.
	I would never fight any bear, but I'm rushing.
	Like I said, I've dealt with them.
	They're all the time dragging my garbage out of the AO.
	You scare them off and they run away.
	If it had babies, I'd be like, if it had a beta, listen, if it has babies, you could have a problem with a black bear.
	If it's a mommy bear, then you could have a problem with a black bear.
	I don't want to see it.
	But a brown bear, you're fucked.
	You're just going to eat your ass.
	I would never want to see a brown bear.
	Polar bears are the most vicious.
	They're big.
	They are.
	They're the most bloodthirsty people.
	I never want to be around one, but they're so cute.
	I'm scared of them.
	What was your answer to the question?
	A man.
	Okay, and what about you?
	A man.
	Okay, and then I don't know where the other girl is.
	I think she said bear.
	She said bear and then one of the best.
	Did she leave?
	Oh, no, she's snagging.
	Oh, okay.
	But a man or a bear over a man?
	Girl, I'm telling you right now.
	Look, I got nothing against men.
	If I saw a man in the woods, I probably wouldn't.
	It's not like, oh my God, the man's probably going to rape me and kill me.
	No, no, but I'm telling you right now, because I've dealt with it.
	Black bears are scared.
	If I'm in the middle of Alaska and I see a man, in my mind, I'm like, oh, fucking, you know.
	Cape Convict.
	Yeah, that guy.
	It's so interesting.
	He's going to do the man.
	I don't know what he's going to do, but we're in the middle of fucking nowhere.
	Nobody's coming to help my ass.
	What's a way off?
	There's a better chance of scaring while I'm a black bear than fighting a man.
	A brown bear is going to kill my ass every time, no doubt.
	They're vicious.
	like i said this is coming from experience this isn't like i'd rather take my chances with a man It's not even guaranteed to be a black bear.
	Again, if I'm on a hiking trail, of course I would rather see a guy.
	We're not being cuckoo here.
	If I see some guy on a hiking trail, why would I be scared of some guy on a hiking trail?
	I don't want to see any bear on a hiking trail.
	Yeah.
	You have a valid.
	Being realistic here, guys.
	Like, you want to make one point and be done with it.
	Bear, what kind of bear?
	Where am I?
	What woods am I in?
	Exactly.
	And you also said bear.
	Why do you say bear?
	I agree with her completely.
	I think you're going to be able to scare it off.
	And if it's in the black bear, like serial killer documentaries that you see a guy in the middle of the woods or something.
	I know what I'm doing here.
	I don't know what you're doing here.
	I love how we made it.
	I just say, I find it so interesting that it generally speaks to each person's background, I guess.
	But in this scenario, I think, okay, we're both spawned in the middle of the forest.
	We're not going anywhere.
	We're stuck there.
	I'd be so happy to see a man because that's my experience, right?
	Okay, I got somebody to help me.
	I mean, hopefully he's willing to help.
	Somebody to help me hunt or protect me or yeah, whatever the case is.
	I'm stoked that there's a guy there.
	I don't, the first thing that comes to mind isn't that he's a bad man.
	A bear?
	Yeah, I don't know about that.
	I don't care what kind of bear.
	What do you, for those who pick bear, what do you think the statistic is of the man hurting you?
	Like, how likely do you think that is?
	Well, that's why I'm saying there's a lot of factors.
	Why am I in the woods?
	Where am I in the woods?
	Did I hike my own ass into the woods?
	Or am I in the woods because I don't want to be there?
	Because then I hope it's a guy.
	Hey, come help me.
	It was worded as on a hike.
	Yeah, so then definitely a guy every time.
	And what about you?
	Yeah, hopefully.
	Well, how likely do you think it is that the man will hurt you?
	Not likely.
	It's not about the random man.
	For me, it wouldn't be if we're in the middle.
	Okay, if we're in the absolute middle, that's why I asked.
	Because if we're in the middle of Alaska, there's nobody, there's no help coming regardless.
	I mean, how did I end up there?
	How did I end up in the middle of the woods?
	If it's a hike, then of course I would rather see a guy than a bear.
	I mean, that's a silly question.
	Yeah.
	Couldn't the man be considered the help?
	Yeah.
	If I'm in the middle of Alaska, if I took a hike in the woods, how do I need?
	I just took a hike in the woods.
	But you were just saying that you would rather see a bear if you were in Alaska.
	If I'm in the middle of Alaska, how did I get there?
	Am I there because I don't want to be there?
	I can't kill an ass into the woods in the middle of Alaska.
	I can make the bear my friend and we can live the jungle book together.
	I'm doing that.
	See, I'm not silly.
	I don't think that, right?
	I'm just saying.
	Bear necessities.
	Yes, exactly.
	Bear necessities.
	Have you guys ever been in a non-traditional relationship?
	Girl, you have to define that because I thought I was in a non-traditional relationship with an age gap, but these words I never heard before.
	Okay.
	What did you say?
	Have you ever been in a relationship with more than one person involved?
	No.
	No.
	No, I have not.
	Have you ever been in.
	Well, yeah, I guess we all have been in non-traditional in different senses.
	Hey, where's the line in the sand, right?
	I mean, I think mine was pretty traditional.
	Normally, I've been in like monogamous relationships that I've tried to last for years because I think it's impressive how a guy can, out of like everybody in the world, they can just pick you.
	You know, out of all the temptation, out of everybody else and all the different stuff, they can like just pick you.
	And I think that's impressive, but some people don't think that way.
	They asked a question last time.
	Like, would you delete all of like your, like, or would you not post certain pictures and stuff based on your relationship?
	Yes.
	You have to sometimes.
	Like, I literally, like, I, because I was a dancer, I went and deleted, like, I went and deleted my wife.
	I went and deleted all those pictures because of the relationship I am in.
	Yeah, it's out of the respect of the relationship.
	Like, why are you going to go out there?
	It's like, you know, getting in the car with our first house.
	I'd like to open it up to either you or you.
	You guys haven't spoken much tonight, so is there any topics you guys would like to speak on?
	My first relationship, he didn't tell me that he was bi and he would mess with guys, basically.
	I don't have a problem with that, but just not in my bedroom.
	Yeah, seriously.
	Nice.
	So I was a troublemaker when I was younger.
	I ended up in juvenile hall a few times and he ended up like hooking up with his friend while I was in juvenile hall.
	What were you in Juvie for?
	Just being drunk.
	My dad used to call the cops on me for coming home drunk.
	Okay.
	My dad was a hard ass.
	So, yeah.
	Could you close the door?
	But yeah, he ended up just like it.
	I knew the behavior wasn't going to, and he wasn't going to make a decision, basically.
	And he was like asking me to have three sons and stuff like that.
	So just not something I wanted in my relationship.
	So that's why I broke up with the first nine-year relationship.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	What about you?
	Is there a question or are we just, this is.
	Just open ended.
	Just if you want something, a dating topic you want to discuss or an anecdote you want to share or disagreement or anything, really?
	I think for the most part, most of us are in agreement on kind of dating and where we're at.
	I don't know.
	I don't have anything, to be honest.
	What's the craziest place you ever had sex?
	Me, I'm not crazy.
	Okay.
	Tough crowd.
	I do think back then that on a motorcycle, riding on a motorcycle.
	Yeah, I used to be a little bit.
	That was fucking difficult.
	Fucking difficult.
	All right, guys.
	TTS is going to be 69.
	If you guys want to roast them, we're going to do a roast session here.
	$69 TTS.
	It's been lowered from $200 all the way down, very discounted, $69 TTS.
	Tough crowd, tough crowd.
	Yeah.
	So was there anything, though, that you wanted to talk about?
	I feel like you've said like three words the entire night.
	So just trying to get you involved in the conversation.
	No, I'm, I know, I'm, I feel like I'm drawing a total blank.
	I had obviously, you know, topics that I wanted to touch on.
	I feel like I should have made a list or something.
	I think social media is hard for, made it hard for people to like conversate in person rather than just like behind a keyboard and you can just say whatever the hell you want without this one any consequences.
	So yeah, I just think it's made it harder for people to like talk to each other.
	And yeah, I just think maybe both guys and girls are lonely and just, yeah, I think that's what's making the dating scene kind of hard.
	I'm agree with that.
	Yeah, you can't, nobody can have a, if you walk up to a stranger and you're just like, hey, how you doing?
	Talking to them about just a regular conversation.
	Yeah.
	Somebody my age and younger, it's like, oh, that used to be pleasant.
	I'm just saying hi, dude.
	That used to be pleasantries.
	Not in my city beach town.
	My city beach town's very friendly.
	We're the same age, I think.
	And between not being able to have a conversation and the phone.
	Yeah, put it away.
	I'm happy to sit there and watch your phone while you have dinner is crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, social anxiety.
	You gotta fuck the chat.
	They call it social atrophy.
	You need something to look at, you know, because God had a really good feeling.
	I had a really good first date, so it was fun.
	I didn't have any of that issue.
	Good for you.
	I didn't have any of that with my son's father.
	I was still, my dad, my dad liked to drink, honestly.
	Ryaronic, but I met my son's father.
	We actually ended up having like 450 friends in common.
	We just hadn't met each other before.
	But yeah, we didn't have that.
	We didn't have that issue.
	But yeah, I just think that can be a common problem with some people, though.
	Now that I've become single, now I'm definitely running into that issue.
	Okay.
	I wanted to chime in briefly on the bear question, but we won't linger too long.
	Who picked bear?
	hands are you what are you doing Are you looking at your glasses?
	I'm disassociating.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm here.
	Somebody said something that made me think about that's why the wage gap exists, but I was behind the scenes dealing with something.
	So forgot what that was.
	Do you pick bear?
	I said neither.
	If you had to pick one.
	I'm Russian.
	I picked the bear.
	That's great.
	Love it.
	You pick bear?
	No, no.
	In your notes, you picked the bear.
	No, I did not.
	Oh, because I had the book.
	Kelly.
	Oh, yeah, because I had the book.
	Holy shit.
	I'm sorry about your last.
	I'm sorry.
	I had the book.
	I know, me too.
	Wow, that's a yikes.
	I had the book, but it was, you didn't think it was funny.
	So it's okay.
	Sorry.
	Just take it off the table.
	Green is a gross color.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	You picked Bear then?
	Nah, I picked Guy on a hiking trail.
	I just was saying the parameters of like, where are we and what's happening?
	They said, I'm not going to go back over.
	You picked Bear.
	Wait, why do I have your name down as I'm Genie on Facebook?
	Yeah.
	Gene's my middle name.
	Okay, you pick Bear.
	Why'd you pick Bear?
	Because I've watched a bunch of serial killer documentaries, and it depends on how the guy ended up in the woods.
	Can you either fix posture or talk to me?
	It depends on how he ended up in the woods.
	If he's just like hiking, then yeah, definitely the man.
	But if it's a bear, then I can probably just scare him off and I'll be by myself again.
	So no to the bear.
	You pick man?
	And you genuinely pick bear or what do you again?
	I'd rather not encounter.
	I know hypotheticals are hard, but do you pick bear man?
	Realistically, man, yeah.
	I was making a joke.
	Oh, sorry.
	You're just like gazing up to me.
	That's my answer.
	I don't know.
	You just said that it would end at 11 and it's going to midnight.
	That's why I'm a little tired.
	Well, hold on.
	Again, you're so bad faith.
	In our notes, we say we aim to wrap at 11.
	Did you say that in the notes?
	But it, well, hold on.
	When did we.
	You texted, right?
	The DMs.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure it says we aim to wrap at 11.
	May go later.
	Oh, maybe I didn't see that.
	I don't know.
	Maybe if you weren't so bad faith this entire night, we would have rapped at like 10 p.m.
	But all, you know, is this because of me?
	I'm going to pick up.
	Group torture because of me?
	Are you missing this group torture?
	Hello?
	This is why though.
	Oh.
	You're free to leave at any point.
	You know, I mean, I've already been here too long to leave.
	What do you mean by that?
	But just waiting.
	I mean, I read 11.
	I read 11.
	He hasn't even be here, and we're not torturing you.
	That's like so unfair.
	I'm being exaggerating, but yeah.
	Okay, so anyways, moving on to the rest of the notes then.
	I do think it is interesting, though, like the people that do pick bear.
	It's like, okay.
	It's just kind of sexist to pick bear over man in the same way it would be racist to pick bear over black person.
	I wouldn't want to come across a random chick either.
	Chicks are crazier than men, so I could think somebody.
	No, I wouldn't want to come across sexist.
	Yeah, no, yeah.
	Going, let's see, getting through some of the questionnaire questions.
	A woman's passion not matters.
	So we're talking about body count now.
	Let's see who agrees with that statement.
	You agree, Eugenia, you think a woman's pass should not matter.
	Amanda, you also agree with that statement.
	So, okay, let's start with Amanda.
	Why is that?
	Why should a woman's past not matter?
	Because, I mean, I think it should depend on the personality.
	If they have a bad personality and like a crappy, like questionable past, then yeah, it's hard to get past that.
	But if they're nice and they want to move in the right direction and you have a connection with them, I don't think it should matter.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	The past, how many men a woman has slept with?
	Yeah, so the state of the world.
	I think it should matter.
	Woman's past should not matter.
	You indicated that you agree with this.
	Why is that?
	I think it should matter exactly as much as it matters how much body count a man has.
	So if it doesn't matter the body count of a man, I think the same applies to women.
	I hear the body count of a man.
	Okay, so it's personal preference then.
	It's personal.
	Okay, I am.
	I changed my statement.
	It's personal preference.
	It's each their own.
	But there's no like nuance.
	It's like a yellow.
	Should women then.
	Are there able to be any asymmetries between attract, like what men find attractive versus women?
	Again, it's all very speaking in general terms.
	Let me finish my sentences, but go ahead.
	We're speaking in very general terms.
	Specifically, it's personal preference, right?
	We can't make everyone like the same thing.
	Different people are turned off or turned on by different things.
	So in general terms, I'm just saying because you want it in generally, generally speaking, generally speaking, I don't see why a woman is degraded by sex with men.
	I don't know what that says about how men think of themselves that they despoil a woman who they have sex with because they don't consider themselves despoiled by the woman they have sex with.
	So I don't understand why there's that social differentiation.
	Why you hold on?
	You're making it about if the man has sex with that woman, that she has been spoiled.
	Now, while it might be the case that some men could view women in this way, when it comes to the topic of body count, which is the current topic, it relates to men, other men that that woman has had sex with.
	Not anything to do with because he had sex with her.
	They're making a judgment call based on other sexual partners she's had.
	Do they consider themselves depurified by the amount of women they've had sex with?
	Does the man see himself in the same light?
	I am less pure because I've had sex with a lot of women.
	I feel like I don't care what a guy is.
	Maybe it's possible that that's the case.
	Okay, again, it's personal preference.
	Unless we're speaking generally.
	Okay.
	I mean, it depends.
	Some guys don't want a girl that has been with a bunch of guys and sometimes a girl.
	I'd say most people wouldn't want somebody.
	I'm actually willing to tackle this.
	So I guess where's your objection here?
	So Let's say a guy has a high body count, but he has made a determination that women who are virgins or women who have a low body count are more desirable to him.
	What is actually, I guess what's actually wrong then?
	Nothing.
	It's this personal preference.
	I'm speaking in a general sense, right?
	We're talking generally.
	So generally speaking in our culture, a woman who has had a lot of sexual partners, right?
	Everyone's with me, is considered to be somehow lesser than a woman who's had less sexual partners.
	Is that not generally speaking our norm?
	Yeah, sure.
	I would agree that women tend to be shamed more for promiscuity than men are.
	Yeah, so that's what I'm pointing out.
	Okay.
	But like, I think the other, the reverse can also be true.
	Well, sort of the reverse.
	So like, for example, male virginity is shamed more than female virginity.
	So like men who can't get sexual access or men who are virgins, that's going to be appraised by women or by society as like something that's defective in the man versus like that's something desirable in the woman.
	Although you would probably make some argument about like, oh, well, then purity culture is also like oppressive to women in some capacity too.
	Some guys men are shamed.
	Men are shamed for not having sexual prowess, right?
	It's a direct inverse of what we were just saying.
	That's kind of a little bit what I'm saying, I guess.
	So a lack thereof of said sexual prowess.
	Women are shamed for being frigid or for not, you know, putting out sometimes they're shamed for that too.
	Yeah, for different reasons, I guess.
	But like, how do you reconcile the two?
	On one hand, on one hand, you have women are frigid and they're, what's the terminology often used for prude, thank you.
	But also they're shamed for fucking too much.
	I just like there to be some consistency.
	Either you want women to have sex or you don't want them to have sex.
	Sex, because it is preference.
	Those two things are.
	Again, yes, I'm saying it's personal preference, but in this, again, in the general sense, right?
	What's the consensus?
	I don't think there's any.
	Do men want women to have sex at all or not have sex at all?
	What is better?
	Men want you to be sexually available to them.
	They don't want to sit there and think about all of the other men you've been.
	It's actually available for.
	I think it's specifically that person you're in a relationship with.
	Okay, but it doesn't always work out, right?
	You have sex with a man, you're in a relationship with him, and he moves on or you move on.
	So you have someone new and they have someone new.
	But you're judged for that.
	But there's a difference between a woman who's had a couple other previous boyfriends and then a woman who's done fucked 100 dudes by the time she's like in her mid mid 20s early 20s.
	Definitely.
	And the difference is she's a woman.
	And if a man has fucked 100 women, there's nothing wrong with him.
	Well, this, it's interesting.
	Do you think that this is something like men are doing something wrong here?
	Or is it actually women care less about this than men do?
	I would just appreciate if the same standards were applied that you apply to yourself.
	Okay, well, hold on.
	This idea that there needs to be perfect reciprocity and perfect symmetry between what men and women find attractive is just frankly not the case.
	Women generally care far more about height than men do.
	I'm not talking about attractiveness.
	I just mean as a lesser human being.
	It's less attractive if a woman's fucked 300 dudes.
	That's yes, I'm not talking about attractiveness.
	I'm saying in terms of she's a lesser human.
	She's worth less as a human.
	That's literally not what we're talking about.
	Oh, okay.
	If we're just talking about attractiveness, that's personal preference.
	Yeah, we're not talking about somebody's value as a human being.
	We're just talking about what people find appealing or attractive when it comes to dating.
	Everyone's allowed to like what they like.
	I have no conditions on that.
	Some girl might not like a guy who has a high body count because it makes it seem like they can't emotionally invest.
	I feel like all night it's been like three plus four equals seven.
	Why is that?
	And then you're like, because green is the color of grass.
	Like we come to like you're answering like something completely unrelated to the question asked.
	All right.
	We got $69 TTS streamlines.com slash whatever.
	$10.
	Care 2.5 looks like livestock and thinks she's a chosen.
	Well, that was respectful.
	Thank you.
	I thought you were talking about me.
	Those pursuits 2.5.
	Okay, well, a couple of you said like a woman's passion on matter, body count.
	That's why I put it.
	I mean, you do understand the context of the conversation is it's like it's a dating podcast.
	Oftentimes when we're talking about like a woman's passion on matter body count, we're obviously talking within the context of dating.
	And then you want to take it to women's value.
	You don't want to accept my answer of personal preference.
	So I keep repeating two different things.
	I think it's personal preference, like I said, 10 times.
	Yeah, but I don't know why you bring it to like humans, this human soul, their value.
	Is that not something that's real?
	Is that not something in our norm of our society?
	I don't know.
	Do women like view men who are like short as subhuman or are they just not attracted to them, generally speaking?
	Generally speaking, women do not view men as subhuman, period.
	What?
	Well, there's some debate that could occur there.
	But I would never make the claim that, okay, I would say that generally speaking, what women find attractive is tall men, but just because they like tall men doesn't mean they view short men as subhuman or like lacking in some sort of value or whatever.
	So again, I'm in agreement.
	I'm in agreement with you if we're talking just about attractiveness.
	It's personal preference.
	I'm not saying anyone needs to like anything.
	Also, really quick on the maybe the sort of potential double standard here, for men to sleep with 100 women, that takes some degree of skill.
	Whereas if a woman fucks 100 men, she just had to say yes 100 times.
	Like it's very easy for women to get laid.
	So the difference of appraisal here is a little bit different.
	Like the in order for a man to sleep with a lot of girls, typically he's going to have to be attractive, you know, to some degree.
	But a woman who's like lacking in all the characteristics that would make her like broadly attractive for a long-term relationship, she need not possess those traits.
	Okay.
	So what you're saying is men don't care about any of a woman's qualities.
	They base their decision of having sex with a woman.
	Do you guys know that Kathy Newman interview she did with Jordan Peterson?
	So what you're saying is, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
	I'm trying to understand my question.
	For women to get laid than it is for me.
	I don't know what you want from me.
	I'm just saying you're saying a woman just lies there and takes it, right?
	She brings nothing to the sexual relationship.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	That's what it sounded like to me.
	I was just trying to understand.
	I was trying to understand how you were saying.
	You've been so charitable this entire night with your interpretations of what you think I'm saying.
	But anyways, yeah, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	You're saying that it's easier for a woman to go out and get laid than a man.
	And so for him to have like a really high body count, which it means that he like I'm sorry, some most works have like pretty high freaking standards, so they have to have some good qualities to like cook up with that many chicks.
	I feel like it's just like us re-explaining like what?
	Like I'm genuinely wondering if, like like, do you not like genuinely understand, like what we're saying?
	Or like into the into the mic, if you can.
	I feel like you're purposely like misinterpreting and it's kind of frustrating on the conversational and then someone has to like tongue tag and re-explain.
	I'm like no, I think you do get it, I think you do get it and we're wasting our time.
	Okay, so really quick on this question though, a woman's passion not matter.
	Some of you agree, some of you disagree.
	Oh, what to the two women who said a woman's passion not matter?
	But I'll open up to the entire panel.
	What's you know what?
	Let's start with you.
	What's your body count?
	Nine into the mic nine okay nine okay yep, what about you?
	I don't want to share that with you.
	Ballpark, I don't want to share with you.
	Felicity was so kind of.
	I was called the livestock and also, what a chosen.
	What was that code for?
	I don't want to share that with you, I know, but I'm on in an environment where I do not want to share that.
	I'm chosen.
	Okay, what about this?
	We're gonna go, we're gonna mute the audio you share with me, then I'll relay it to them.
	No, thank you.
	Do you want to do?
	You want to do a ballpark?
	I don't want to do it at all.
	Do you want to do a range?
	No, I'm good.
	Less than 10, more than 10.
	I already said no.
	I already said no a few times.
	All right, what about you?
	I just got number seven recently, shout out.
	Okay, what about you?
	Mine's like 2530 2530 okay five five okay seven eleven, six multiplied by three and that's the real number.
	Those are a little couple.
	Uh, I don't know if we've got some honest answers here.
	You know what I mean, but uh hey, you know uh, what?
	Not from you well well, not just from you is what I'm trying to say.
	It could have been everybody.
	All right, we have Davon Jackson here.
	Oh boy, Devon Jackson donated $69 yo.
	Devon Jackson, type two, can't engage with hypotheticals, constantly puts words in Brixon's mouth, is here in bad faith, keeps mouth breathing into the mic and just is an off-putting presence in general.
	Your response, okay, I like to bring a certain energy to the room that people don't like.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	I think if you don't agree that you can't try to see what the person is saying.
	You can't just get to the fact that oh, this is what they're saying, I don't know, and just take it out whether you agree or disagree.
	I don't know if people have missed me agreeing with him many times.
	In my opinion, you can't agree or disagree with somebody if you don't know what they're saying.
	Conceding on a small point is like and misinterpreting the entire argument and then conceding on like the tiniest thing is not like.
	I forget.
	Oh my god Inquisitor, Zealot, $69, care 2.
	It isn't just sex.
	The more life experience a woman has, the more damaged and insufferable she is to any man, whether the, it isn't personal preference reality.
	The girls liked this one.
	Thank you guys.
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	69 tts, get it in it.
	We're gonna do a little roast session here.
	If you guys want to do a little roast um, I need to get up once again here.
	Guys pick on more than two number two.
	But uh, Felicity is gonna come.
	Felicity's gonna come sit down.
	She's gonna ask you guys some more questions.
	I guess any other, I don't know.
	Um, Did you do all these, Felicity?
	Yeah.
	One through four?
	Okay.
	Do you want to just go down from this way?
	You'll probably be able to get through a few.
	Where did you live off?
	You're on number two.
	Go ahead.
	The men's song.
	You may not have disgusted.
	Thank God.
	Don't say patriarchy now.
	Do you think it's wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex?
	No, I think sex is an important part of a relationship unless you just had a baby.
	Then it's like that's regularly then no.
	I think it depends on the relationship that you're in.
	If that's an important part of your relationship, then yeah, if it all of a sudden just starts getting turned down, that could mean like a problem in the relationship or cheating or something.
	So that would be me, but I feel like it's always.
	Even if it's not sex, intimacy, like holding hands, kissing, and all that, I think it's important to keep a relationship going, in my opinion.
	So I think it is not, I don't think it's fair on anybody's part if intimacy goes out of the relationship, in my opinion.
	It can bring apart other things.
	Sex like always important part of a relationship.
	It should be, yeah, but couples unfortunately go through like serious dry spells a lot more than people admit.
	It's true.
	What did you say?
	People go through dry spells a lot more than like people will admit.
	What would constitute that?
	But in a relationship, though?
	Yeah.
	Besides married.
	Again, where's the line in the sand?
	How long is too long?
	What's going on?
	True.
	I feel like when your partner feels like they're not desirable to you, there's like a huge issue.
	I definitely think that if a man leaves because you're turning him down, it's not just because of the sex.
	He feels that desire is gone.
	It's very emasculating for them.
	I think you should just have access to it.
	Yeah, I agree.
	okay when where i mean if you started the relationship regularly having sex and then it's kind of the expectation you said which sucks because i feel like as girls like i tend to do that where you're you know like hot and heavy for them a lot more like in the beginning of your relationship But I'm like, yeah, after a certain point, it's like, that's just kind of the precedent you said.
	Do things to, you know, do things to do it, you know?
	And after a certain point, you just like get off on getting them off.
	Like, it still just makes you happy, you know?
	My ex worked hard and like kid, like our kid got in the way, you know, so we just like stopped making sure to like make just life got in the way.
	Well, that's different.
	I mean, at that time, it's pretty regular for couples to have sex and definitely.
	Especially when you have children and such, but I think the question was asking more like if it's totally random.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, then, because if it's totally random that she's turning them down for sex, I would assume that she's getting it somewhere else.
	Yeah, definitely.
	You can't assume that, though.
	Like, because if she's not having sex with you, you don't know that.
	Then her attention is emotionally evolved.
	She's not there.
	There's another reason why she's emotionally just gone.
	I would agree with that.
	Some people fall out of love if you're not in love.
	But yeah, boys will go crazy.
	Because like, yeah, I definitely do that where I'm like, I like when I mentally check out of a relationship, like I just like stop feeling like sexually attracted to them.
	But then it drives me crazy when like a guy will be like, you're definitely getting it somewhere else.
	I'm like, dude, no.
	Just like killed my libido.
	Congratulations.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But what do you think?
	Number two, Eugenia.
	Number two.
	I don't know.
	I don't remember your guys' names.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm number two.
	You know, you wore me down.
	I think men should get whatever they want whenever they want it on demand.
	I changed my entire point of view in the course of seven hours.
	I'm not the one that's been talking to you this whole time.
	What do you actually think?
	I don't know.
	I think it's fine.
	If men aren't satisfied or someone isn't satisfied in the relationship, it's within their rights to do what they want.
	Okay.
	A woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
	What do you guys think of that?
	Well, men are rejected because of their height all the time.
	Men are rejected because of their weight, too.
	Yeah, it's a preference.
	I want to be in someone, like, I want someone that also takes care of themselves.
	Like, bro, you ever been dating someone that, like, you take on a little hike with your dog on a Sunday morning and they're like huffing and puffing up the side of the hill?
	I hike all the time.
	I still help them.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	Depends on why they gained weight and like if they just like gain the weight and then give up and don't try to go back to like what they were and what you got attracted to.
	I think that has a lot to do with that.
	I think it's not like this is in the relationship.
	It's like if you, when you first meet somebody.
	Yeah.
	Is it wrong?
	Face value.
	I feel like it's a preference.
	It's like first meeting, not in course of a relationship.
	Yeah, no.
	It's the symptom of a bigger issue.
	I'm like, like there's clearly like something that you're doing.
	If you're not motivated to take care of yourself, how do I know that you're going to be like motivated to take care of me?
	You know?
	But is it wrong for a man to reject a woman because of her weight?
	No.
	No.
	Saying it goes vice versa.
	Sorry, I should have used it like that.
	What about you guys?
	What do you guys think?
	No, I don't think it's wrong for a man to reject a woman based on any preference.
	If they're not attracted to them, then they shouldn't go with somebody they're not attracted to.
	Would you guys rather be with someone that's severely underweight or severely overweight?
	I love meeting skinny boys.
	That's actually underweight.
	That's a difficult one, actually.
	I don't really like overly skinny guys, to be honest.
	I've dated too many.
	You do?
	I can't.
	I feel like I'd be dating a girl.
	No, I like them kind of fluffy.
	You're rather like too skinny or something.
	Yeah.
	I would rather date like a wider guy than like an overly skinny guy.
	Yeah, wait, how big are we talking to?
	Like dad boss?
	You said severely underweight and severely overweight.
	You'd rather date a fat guy?
	Yes.
	Why?
	Because Skeletor's family.
	I'm sorry.
	I can meet him back.
	They can be a big teddy bear and you're trying to like hug Skeletor.
	Okay, Skeletor, I can nurse back to health.
	I cannot help the clogged arteries.
	But why is he like that to begin with?
	I feel like if he's too skinny, he's like a crackhead.
	That's what I think.
	I was going to say he's not.
	Maybe he's fun.
	Maybe he does party drugs.
	Maybe something cool for you.
	What do you guys think of this?
	The weight.
	What are we talking about?
	Severely overweight or underweight?
	The question was: a woman should not be, is it wrong for a woman to be rejected because of her weight?
	And then I asked, would you rather date a severely underweight guy or a severely overweight guy?
	So what's your answer to both of those questions?
	Point A, I think, again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
	Whoever is attracted to, whoever they're attracted to, has the right for that attraction.
	I have no opinion on that.
	And then the second point is, I don't know, it's someone with a, sounds like people with health issues if they're under or overweight.
	So it's preferable that you're dating someone who's going to stick around, right?
	So, you know.
	Based off just initial.
	I guess overweight was going to stick around more.
	What do you mean?
	I guess under, you know, honestly, neither.
	Again, neither.
	I can't say one or the other.
	I prefer.
	Well, it depends on if they're skinny for a drug problem.
	The drug problem is kind of maybe going to be harder to get.
	Whatever, whatever the case is.
	So you want somebody to say, there's always like stipulations.
	It's like, no, it's a yes or no form.
	And you got to like take that stance, prose.
	Would you guys date a police officer?
	Fuck no.
	Nope.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Nope.
	Please.
	Why did you make that face?
	I love calls.
	I don't wait to like handle firemen's my kink.
	Oh, I've had me down, popping.
	Yeah, no, I've already had enough animals on the recovery list.
	I know.
	They're like, we respect it.
	They're busy.
	I'm like, why?
	That's why they don't come ever to the door when you call the cops fast enough.
	What about you guys?
	Would you date police officers?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would.
	Yeah, you would.
	Sure, why not?
	You guys?
	I don't know.
	I put no.
	Why?
	The domestic abuse rates.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	No, not for that reason.
	I mean, it kind of goes against like, well, not that I would have anything against the person per se without looking at statistics or anything like that.
	But I mean, they're working for the government, right?
	I don't know.
	I guess technically as a teacher, I'm working for the government too, so I don't know.
	You corporate slave, you pig.
	I have a question for Eugenia.
	Eugenia, would you date a guy who is overweight?
	Like obese, I guess.
	Yeah, I date an overweight guy, yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Men should pay on first dates.
	Hold on, Eugenia.
	Eugene.
	Eugenia?
	Eugena.
	Eugena.
	Why do you say men should pay on first dates?
	Chivalry sometimes is nice.
	After all.
	Whale, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Hold on.
	Wow, after all that.
	What does that have to do with women's liberation?
	Nothing.
	I get to have an opinion.
	I get to have confusing opinions.
	I think it's nice if a man sometimes does that.
	Okay.
	Have you ever paid for a first date?
	I went Dutch.
	I always went Dutch.
	Have you ever paid for his portion?
	Have I?
	Paid for the whole date?
	No, I went Dutch.
	I've paid for my half of it.
	But you have had guys also pay for you on dates?
	Yeah, once.
	Yeah.
	One time.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Why should I pay on first dates?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Why should men pay for first dates?
	Well, you know, the basic because it's the, they're the one asking you out and treating you.
	You know.
	I would say that you should never be prepared or like you should never go on a date like that.
	Oh, well, you didn't.
	You didn't circle this one, Sim.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	What about you?
	Why should men pay for a first dance?
	This is the only one that you agree on.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Why should men pay on first dates for you guys?
	I don't know.
	I don't know about that one because.
	Okay, well, you want men to pay for first dates.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, I do.
	I don't know.
	I like the traditional sense on that.
	Especially, yeah, they asked you out.
	I mean, if you guys collectively are going out as like friends, then yeah, but if they asked me, collectively as friends.
	Unless you guys want to explain why you think men should, or yeah, why should men pay for first aids?
	I don't have a reason.
	I don't have a reason as to why.
	You're just in favor.
	What about you?
	I think that if we're going on a first date, typically it's because he is asking me out.
	And yeah, I want to be courted a little bit.
	Not that I don't come prepared, but.
	Hands of the mic if you can.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, like I said, I do like traditional values.
	So, I mean, I'm not on any crusade, but it is nice when somebody pays for first date.
	All right.
	A couple questions here related to this.
	Almost every single one of you, except for I think you, said you want a man to pay for the first date.
	If you get married, will you take your husband's last name?
	Yes.
	Uh, no.
	Yes, you've seen mine.
	Yes.
	Okay, so to you, hold on.
	Why do you want a guy to pay for the first date, but you won't take his last name?
	I'm a bit confused.
	Because my mom is one of my, I don't know, mentors.
	My mother and I, she didn't take my dad's last name.
	I have his last name, but he paid for all their dates and they had a nice relationship.
	And I don't see what's wrong with having preferences like that.
	I mean, I like my dad's last name, and I want to carry on his name that way for myself.
	So it's more sort of an example.
	It's a personal.
	It's all personal reasons, yeah.
	I get that.
	So they were reinforcing the patriarchy.
	It's just how you're doing.
	What's the point of getting married?
	Good points, then.
	What's the point of getting married if you're not going to take on like his last name?
	Like you're essentially going to be like his wife, like his image.
	I guess.
	And you can't even take on his last name.
	It's I don't know.
	Some dudes are taking the tricks blasting.
	Yeah, like I really hardly.
	I would be pissed if someone, if I got married and they're like, I want your last name.
	So you said you like chivalry, though?
	Yes, it's nice when they offer.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying you have to.
	I always offer to pay.
	I thought we didn't.
	But it's nice when they do it.
	Offering.
	Are there any other components of chivalry that you hope to reap the benefits of?
	Reap the benefits of?
	I don't know, I just told men to a- Do you want a guy to be a protector, provider?
	You want your partner to be a decent, nice person who you want to be with.
	Yeah.
	So I have all those feelings, and I want to be also loving and faithful in my way back.
	I don't have, I have an expectation like everyone does that you're with someone that you want to be with.
	But why uphold this very patriarchal ideal of men paying for first dates if you're a woman's lib radical feminist?
	I'm not an and I have contradictory sometimes opinions, which is okay.
	People have contradictory opinions.
	Well, the first thing I agree with you.
	Well, I recognize that people do have contradictory opinions, but it seems like if you're going to tout yourself as a feminist, radical feminist, and against the patriarchy, and it seems like you're kind of upholding these very traditional.
	I'm just saying my opinions.
	This is what I believe.
	I think it's nice if men are nice to you when you're with them.
	Where does the objectification start?
	I mean, just because I'm a feminist doesn't mean I want a man to treat me like crap because he can.
	A man who wouldn't pay for you on the first date doesn't mean he would treat you like crap.
	Again, I'm fine with doing Dutch.
	The prompt is men should pay on first aids.
	Was it should?
	Yes, I thought it was okay.
	Should pay on first aids.
	I guess I meant it would be nice if they did.
	So it's making like a sort of generalized prescriptive claim of how men should act.
	Oh, okay.
	And you would object.
	I assume you would object to, like, for example, if I said women should make me a sandwich, would you object to like that sort of reaction?
	Yeah, okay.
	So I stand corrected.
	I meant it would be, it's nice when they do.
	It's also nice when a woman makes me a sandwich.
	And they do that, I'm sure.
	I'm sure women haven't rejected you sandwiches.
	You've had them.
	I'm doing great in the sandwiches.
	I'm not making sandwiches.
	You just.
	But I guess here's my, here's what always boggles my mind is whenever men say or society says women should do X, women should do XYZ, it's kind of met with a lot of resistance.
	But that same resistance is not the case when it comes to men should do X.
	And when I say X, I don't mean the same thing.
	I just mean like a given random thing.
	So like, okay, women should cook and clean.
	Women should go make me a sandwich.
	That's like sexist, misogynist, blah, blah, blah.
	But if women say men should pay for dates, men should do this, men should be willing to sacrifice their life for me, whatever it is.
	It's only sexist if you say that's all she should do.
	If you want it on occasion, if you want it on occasion, she wants to make me a burrito.
	Okay, great.
	If it's only on occasion, the burritos and the sandwiches, then it's fine.
	Whenever you're hungry, but not her entire life.
	Food is some reason.
	Food is some people's love.
	So women are limited to cooking with you.
	Some spaghetti, some meatballs.
	How do you say we get the point?
	We get the baby.
	She was keeping the balls empty and the stomach full.
	Bow video?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Really quick, we'll do the bow segment.
	So this is a video I took with my ex-girlfriend, Rest in Peace.
	She unfortunately passed away in a terrible train accident.
	So yeah.
	Terrible train.
	Sound devastated about very devastated.
	Are you about to disrespect the video someone getting away from the window tab?
	For this one, we don't have to do video.
	All right.
	So yeah, this is my expectation of a girlfriend.
	Go ahead.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Yep.
	Does she kneel for you when you walk in?
	No, but we got on that train a little bit down the relationship.
	So I got home after a long podcast episode, and she had my dinner ready.
	Honestly, that dinner sucked ass, to be honest.
	It was really bad.
	But she did crack open a beer for me.
	Very nice of her.
	And stirred my noodles.
	Very nice.
	Very nice of her.
	But yeah, she did unfortunately pass away in a terrible train accident.
	Play it again?
	Wow, she looked like that.
	Boom!
	Boom.
	Oh, I thought you paused it.
	Don't you normally pause it, Nick?
	Ah, shit.
	Look at the bow.
	So this is, look, all that other stuff, whatever.
	I want a girl when I walk through the door to give me a deep, nice, deep bow as a show of her love and appreciation and respect.
	Give it in a contract?
	In a, what?
	Like a BDSM contract.
	That should just be basic.
	That's basic shit.
	I don't even know what that is.
	I think the Japanese mutually bow when they greet each other.
	Do you bow back?
	Or is it just her bowing?
	No, it's just her.
	Yeah, well, we see the point.
	Anyway.
	What's the point?
	I mean, that's rich.
	Self-evident point.
	The point is self-evident.
	I mean, this is rich.
	No mutual respect there.
	There's plenty of mutual respect.
	That entire apartment, I'm taking care of.
	Yeah, everybody's got a camera.
	I'm taking care of everything.
	So, look, it's rich coming from you, though, when you're like, okay, well, you want, there's no reciprocity in any of anything you do.
	You want a man to pay for the first date.
	You won't pay for the first date.
	And then you won't take his last name in marriage.
	What if she wants to bow?
	It's a preference, not a necessity.
	I can also pay for the date.
	I just feel like no offense directly towards you, but feminist women, like they want the cake, or what is it?
	Take in you too.
	Like they want all the benefits from it, but then they want to look down and say, like, they don't have to respect the man in the same way.
	And the double standard has been exhibited like 14 different times this night.
	And then you're like, well, yep.
	And then you guys just blame everything on women.
	And we are the detriment of society.
	I'm like, you're just like purposely like ignoring every single argument everyone's made tonight.
	No, no.
	Oh, her?
	Yeah.
	A guy working all day and taking care of the apartment.
	I mean, they're working their ass off, so they're showing effort.
	I'm not bowing.
	And there's like nothing wrong with that.
	There's different ways to show respect.
	I'm showing respect to my father by keeping his name.
	That's the reason I'm keeping the name.
	Yeah, but it doesn't mean you can't respect your husband without taking the name.
	That's not right.
	And I can respect my girlfriend without having to do a symmetrical bow.
	No, I have to bow.
	I'm the bad faith one, right?
	How is that bad faith?
	How is that bad faith?
	Okay.
	This is the level of distress where I think I'm.
	Anyways, all right.
	Just going around the table, would you bow for your boyfriend?
	Yes.
	I think we know the answer.
	If he really needed to and I really liked him, probably.
	You'd be making exceptions for people.
	Yes.
	I wish I could stand on business.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	He's got to ask for it.
	He begs on his hands and knees.
	All right.
	Like a little bitch.
	Like a good boy.
	Hey, I think it brings some king to the relationship.
	Shit.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to skip some of these because we'll try to get this wrapped.
	You know, we got a TTS here.
	Guys, $69 TTS.
	Streamlabs.com slash what up.
	Yo, thank you, Chuck.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	Chair three, you're a bit of a dingus and a leftist D-Gen.
	But I respect the debate pursuit, so good luck with it.
	You would learn a lot from Andrew destroying your worldview a few times, asks Air for it.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	I will study some more.
	Hall Long Nate.
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Brian sent you a DM on IG with an argument.
	Chair eight, does my 87 Dinah need to have a stage three or four to keep up with you on a ride?
	Oh, wait, what?
	This is the date.
	Directed at you.
	Motorcycle riz.
	What is that?
	87 Dinah.
	Yeah, your Dinah needs something, 87.
	I got an 06Y Glide, so I got fuel injection, baby.
	So you're going to need something to keep up.
	Hey, nice.
	You got hits.
	I got $69 TTS.
	Streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	Let's see.
	Dingus.
	I know I am a bit of a dingus.
	I love that word.
	Big dingus.
	Dingus energy.
	My dad took me to Cold Springs Tavern when I was younger.
	It's like a little bar up in the mountains at 154.
	Cold Springs.
	Cold Springs Tavern.
	Children were made of Santa Barbara.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, it's like up the 154 and it's so important to see.
	A man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	You agree?
	Elizabeth, you think that it's straight?
	Amanda, you think it's straight?
	Yes.
	And that's it.
	Why is that?
	You know what?
	Why don't we start with Amanda?
	Why is it straight for a man to date a transgender woman?
	Because she's identifying as a woman and you see her as a woman.
	He's not seeing her as a guy.
	So, I mean, it doesn't.
	Okay.
	Before I respond, I'll let everybody answer.
	I fucked up.
	I missed you.
	Oh, you didn't mean that?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I accept trans people, and I would say for some people, their acceptance of that notion that they're straight depends on like the level of transition that they've gone through.
	Maybe that's like not how straight.
	I would say like someone who's just like socially transitioned, maybe probably most people wouldn't consider them straight.
	It sucks that there's like a stipulation there.
	But someone who's passing as the other gender and like lives life fully like that and is accepted like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you're straight.
	I would say.
	Okay, you think it's straight?
	And then also.
	Maybe not like fundamentally, but yeah, in practice, absolutely.
	Amanda, you also indicated on this transgender individuals do not have a duty to disclose to romantic partners.
	You agree.
	Okay, well, hold on, let her answer.
	I think I actually messed up on that.
	Actually, no, they don't.
	No, I think they're not.
	Well, that is, well, that is.
	No, you should disclose that because they should know the whole thing and they should.
	If they just choose to see you as you see yourself, then there you go.
	But I think if they do, I mean, I think if like you get close to somebody and you think they're a girl and they're actually like biologically a male, I think that definitely screws some shit up.
	Okay.
	So my position on this would be a man dating a transgender woman.
	That's not straight.
	That is, that would be gay.
	So you just don't believe in like trans people.
	I believe that there is a.
	Yeah, there is a phenomenon.
	So you think there's like a third category instead of like, you don't think there's any position in which someone could entirely transition medically and be accepted like in full transition?
	No, as the other gender?
	Let me ask you a couple.
	Obviously, the chromosomes will never line up exactly, but like.
	So, you're answering your own question.
	But.
	But in practice, like, bro, like Blair White, like all the stupid examples.
	Like, dude, there's people who are like, you would never know.
	Yeah, you would never know.
	You do have a black woman.
	Blair White is definitely a dude.
	Like, I can tell that that's male.
	They'll know if you punch you in the face, you'll know.
	Well, medical stuff is only getting better and better, and I don't think that's true.
	But yeah.
	Wait, you don't think it's straight?
	I'm a little confused, sorry.
	No, I said, I don't think it's true that I can like tell Blair White.
	I could not tell you that Blair White is a man.
	You just hear Adam Zeppel?
	I mean, let's, I don't know if like what, if Blair White has had bottom surgery or whatever, but if you saw them naked and they had a penis, would yes, that would change things.
	That would change things, of course.
	Hold on, but so they're a transgender woman, but they still have a penis intact.
	Are they a man now under your perspective?
	That's why I said it sucks that unfortunately there is this stipulation, but I mean, it makes sense why.
	What's the stipulation?
	The stipulation is how far you've medically transitioned.
	So for a lot of people, like for my line in the sand, it's probably, it probably stops being gay when they're fully medically transitioned.
	It sucks that it's like that, and I don't think it should be like that, but that's when like I feel like most people should concede that it's not.
	Yeah, so I have a question for you.
	If I were to, or let's say a man were to lose his penis in an accident, and then like, but he didn't transition, and then this penis looks like a like a post-operative transgender woman neo-vagina, and like the actual intercourse is the same.
	Is it gay?
	Is the first one gay?
	Luckily.
	Or is it straight?
	Luckily, I hear they have like prosthetics now and you can like pump it up.
	But so I'm asking, so this person doesn't identify as a transgender woman, but they were involved in a train accident.
	I would assume they'd get prosthetic instead of get a makeshift vagina.
	No?
	Okay, well, let's assume.
	Well, would it be straight, though?
	Like, why would they make a vagina instead of just getting a replacement dick?
	Biologically.
	No, that's not gay.
	Obviously.
	Okay.
	So I'm just a bit confused here, though.
	So you do think it is straight, though.
	I didn't think.
	By the way, we're lowering the TTS to $30.
	$30 TTS, that's going to be the lowest it will go.
	Right.
	If you guys want to get a roasting, $30 TTS.
	Where did I contradict?
	Or where do you want clarification?
	So, well, can a male become a female?
	Or can a female become a male?
	I believe so.
	Yes.
	Okay, so you believe you can change your sex?
	I don't believe you can change your sex, but I believe that you can change your gender in practice.
	Right, so in practice and functionality.
	Yeah, male and female pertains to That pertains to sex, not gender.
	So, just want clarification there.
	Do you think that people can change their sex?
	I don't know.
	My roommate was able to change her ID.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay, well.
	This is a rough one for me.
	Well, question: If I continued identifying as male, but I was able to legally just, despite my lack of changing my gender, my identity, but I just went to the, I don't know, wherever you change your ID, I don't know, the post office or some bullshit, DMV.
	And I'm like, yeah, I just want to be put down as a female on here.
	Would that then make me a female?
	No.
	I would say that.
	Okay, so it comes down to self-id.
	No, I wouldn't say self-ID.
	I would say, like, honestly, the barrier should be like medical transition.
	Like, if someone's just starting to experiment with their gender presentation, like, it shouldn't be obviously, you shouldn't be able to change your ID.
	I honestly think there's arguments for you shouldn't be able to change your ID at all in case, like, I don't know, you're in an accident or something.
	I'm gonna, just for these guys who sent in at the 69, uh, there's some questions that are coming through.
	Andrew donated $200.
	Do men find androgynous women attractive?
	Is that a turn-on for them?
	Could it be?
	I guess it would depend on what, like, what you mean by like an androgynous woman.
	If you showed me an example for her, I think it'd be possible that a man could find an androgynous woman attractive.
	Is it inherently a turn-on for them?
	It's hard for me to say.
	Probably not, generally speaking, but it could be.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Thank you, dude.
	To the panelists, one at a time, would you rather come across a random wild bear or a man in the woods?
	P.S.
	No prattle, you are just there.
	Okay.
	Also, the random bear always grapes its victims to death.
	That's funny.
	Any answers?
	We live in.
	That's going to be the man on the arm.
	Does this change man, man?
	Yeah.
	Can you want to skid into the table a little bit?
	They live in a grape forest, bro.
	Man.
	They're enmancing.
	Man.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Pasty George.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Sons of Liberty donated $60 of your family.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Thank you.
	Just want to support the show, Brian.
	Thank you, man.
	You're doing God's work.
	Any updates on the Charlie lawsuit?
	Chair Aid is the type of woman I would be attracted to, which probably means she has issues.
	Do you have issues?
	Like I said, I'm no psychologist.
	Your thumbs, bro.
	These are working hands, bro.
	I didn't get look, you and me are going to have podcasters.
	She's got these podcaster hands.
	She's got calluses.
	Look at this.
	These are not scars from like fucking cutting myself.
	These are just scars from words.
	Oh, no.
	Labor scars.
	Labor hands.
	They don't ever heal.
	Hello, grandma.
	I got a lot of shit.
	Some of them.
	I know your nails are kind of long, too.
	I think my ex was a handyman and a guy.
	She starts to get mesh together.
	Do you bite your.
	Oh, I bite my nails, bro.
	Yeah, yeah, I bite my nails.
	Sons of Liberty, she bites her nails too.
	Is that a red flag?
	Might be a problem for Sons of Liberty, buddies.
	I'm gonna see you.
	Come find out.
	I was meant to play the piano.
	Okay, so thank you, Sons of Liberty.
	I do appreciate that.
	Okay, so going back to this trans discussion.
	Oh, goodie.
	Yeah, I guess I guess it's gay.
	So could it be gay pre-operative, like bottom surgery pre-op.
	That would be gay.
	I would say most people, most general people would consider that gay.
	Yes.
	I think there's situations.
	I think there's situations.
	They still have a penis in which people that's probably a really confusing thing Like, let's say you start falling for a girl, and then, like, you find out she's not there all the time.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	You still confused when you find out she got a dick?
	No, it's, but that's the thing.
	It's like, I feel like you would never be put in that position where you're like, you wouldn't know.
	I hope they would disclose it.
	I feel like it's a, but that's what I'm saying.
	There's like a very small percentage of the population that's like fully transitioned and passing, and like people wouldn't consider it, or I don't think people should consider it.
	Do you think that would be grape?
	Like, if you were bamboozled into sleeping with a transgender and isn't stealthing considered grape legally, uh, yeah, yeah, that's a that's a I would say that's like the same realm.
	That's literally self-defense.
	I mean, it's a bit different, but like taking off the condom or whatever, right?
	Oh, I don't fucking know these fucking terms.
	I don't want to literally like someone's giving you back shots, they take off the condom.
	I wonder though, legally, I don't know if this has ever been like looked at by criminal or civil law.
	Would it be a crime for a transgender person to like they've deceived?
	Like this person would definitely not consent if they knew the person was transgender, but they deceived somebody.
	I'm pretty sure they were passing or whatever.
	I'm pretty sure you can sue for it now.
	Civil, civil.
	Because anybody in the chat know on this one?
	Community know.
	I feel like there would have to be like a suit that got litigated to get like pass, right?
	Yeah, but I mean, they're still a dude.
	Like, it's still a dude.
	Like, that's still a guy.
	So it's not, it can't be straight.
	It's just like if you it's not pussy.
	That's not pussy.
	That's not vagina.
	Trust me.
	Big lady and I'm not.
	Do you have any trans friends that he like do you have any trans friends?
	Why would it matter?
	Just because in my okay, all my friends are trans.
	What does that matter?
	Well, because only up until recently had I met people that I just really would have never known that they, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, so a lot of people are like, it's some fictitious thing.
	Like, oh, yeah, trans people are like, you're always like, oh, yeah, you know, it's like a girl with a dick.
	It's like, no, there's like a lot of people who like, you really wouldn't.
	Yeah, but let's assume they're passing.
	And even if they've had the surgery for the vagina, like the neo, it's not vagina, but even then, that would not make it heterosexual.
	Yes, it would.
	Because listen, hear me out.
	Wait, wait, no, listen.
	Go ahead.
	What is like the fundamental attraction of a woman like to you?
	Is it only your maybe if you're the guy and a guy that's like, I only want to knock you up, and like getting pregnant is like the only thing I see in you.
	But there's plenty of guys who maybe don't want kids and they're attracted to what?
	Their femininity, their like whatever boobs, like sexuality.
	So if a man has sex with a woman, some people don't really feel like that.
	Wait, wait, so if a man has sex with a woman who is incapable of getting pregnant, that's gay.
	No, but I'm just saying.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just saying there's plenty of people.
	But you're saying, oh, well, if the sole motivation is to get a woman pregnant, what?
	No, I'm just saying.
	People have recreational sex.
	Of course, of course.
	But I'm just saying maybe there's people who don't want kids.
	Because it might.
	Maybe you're saying it's gay because they can't reproduce.
	I wouldn't even make that argument.
	Okay.
	Well, then my bad.
	But if people don't want kids, I don't understand how, in practice, you can't understand it why it's not that gay.
	Like it's not that they're super gay.
	If I does their birth certificate, super gay.
	Right, but if I just met people.
	Hold on.
	What's their birth certificate say?
	But I'm attracted to like your boobs.
	It doesn't matter if they identify with it in their mind.
	It depends on what's their birth certificate.
	You mean the plastic that's been inserted into their chest?
	I'm just saying in practice, like I'm sure there's plenty of people who have been.
	Are women just boobs and vagina to you?
	Is that of course not, but I'm just saying it would be, I would totally understand a guy still identifying as being straight if they're with someone who's completely medically transitioned.
	Because in practice.
	What is they're with someone who's socially and practically female presented?
	They're not.
	Their birth certificate still says male.
	They're still a dude.
	I guess fundamentally it's gay, but that's why I'm saying technically and practically.
	And if in every other aspect, like they literally had like a working vagina, like, you know, it's not a vagina.
	It's not.
	It's not a vagina.
	I'm not going to cede that.
	Then it's gay.
	Then it's gay.
	It's like their penis inverted into a cavern in their body.
	I just, we're not going to have.
	Their dicks are still touching.
	Yeah, that's still penile material.
	We're just not going to agree on this.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	Straight is short-form slaying for what?
	Strigger.
	Short-term slang?
	I don't know.
	Well, straight is short-form slang for.
	Straightened.
	Straight and arrow.
	Straight.
	What is it short for?
	It's straight.
	Straighter?
	Strategic.
	I really don't know the answer.
	Okay, so straight is short-form slaying for heterosexual.
	Do you agree?
	Oh, yes.
	Heterosexuality.
	Sorry, I think it's the question.
	Okay.
	So the definition of heterosexuality is sexually or romantically attracted exclusively to people of the other sex.
	Not gender, not the other gender, the other sex.
	Okay.
	So if that's the case, the opposite, so the opposite sex of male would be female.
	A transgender woman, wait, is a transgender woman male or female?
	I guess the only reason I...
	Answer my question.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Is a transgender woman?
	Is a transgender woman male or female?
	If we're using like the sex terms, female at birth.
	Well, hold on.
	You can't change.
	Astrick, I know.
	Okay, look, for the sake.
	I'll go ahead and grant you can change your gender identity.
	A man can become a woman, but a male, in my view, can't become a female.
	So I'm using the sex categorization.
	Yeah.
	So is a transgender woman male or female?
	I'm like, I don't want to denounce trans people's identity.
	I hear what you're saying.
	They're literally.
	Yes, they're biologically male.
	I hear you.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So if a male, and you agree, it doesn't change, right?
	They're male.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So if a male is having sex with a male, that would be homosexual, wouldn't it not?
	Yes.
	It's gay.
	I'm just saying I understand why.
	Okay, for example, my ex that just dumped me, they identify as they them, non-binary.
	That's technically a subcategory of trans, but I'm still fucking straight.
	Like for all intents and purposes to me, they were a man and like they acted like a man.
	But because they have a they them label, they're like, oh yeah, you're my partner.
	Like they, I literally was like, stop fucking, you know, misgendering me.
	Don't call me your partner.
	Call me your girlfriend.
	Stop using the gender neutral language.
	Recognize my femininity.
	Type shit.
	All right.
	Okay, so then are you conceding that it's gay?
	It's gay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, there's nothing else to argue.
	Fundamentally, but there's technically ways in which I could see it being a little not so gay.
	Okay, I know, but I concede you win.
	I think it depends on if you have like a game.
	But you can't feel like it depends.
	And if it's like, is it gay or not?
	My brother's transforming.
	Wait, let her finish, guys.
	Let her finish.
	Go ahead.
	I think you just want to respect them and just respect their community by showing what it like, seeing them, what they're trying to label themselves at.
	But technically, yes, biologically, they are the sex that they were born with.
	And even if it's like down to like the biology of it, if we have to like technically concede that it is technically gay, I just want you to know there's plenty of people who will recognize you as like fully transition and accept your identity as a person and not see it as gay.
	No, I have a my brother's okay but like is it objectively it's not objectively but I'm yes you can probably find people to fit your subjective worldview so I'm not trying to like offend any like trans people I love my trans people You're a science denier?
	I'm not.
	That's why I conceded that it's gay.
	I'm like oh, but you're also saying, but not really.
	No, I'm saying you can find.
	No, I said I can find people to fit your subjective worldview that will accept you as the way you identify.
	Some people won't, and so that's why it's like objectively, I refuse to think that my brother's a girl.
	No no, there's no way you could wear a wig, get wiggies.
	You're a dude, sorry.
	Well, I'm sure there's plenty of people who see you queen and accept you as a girl.
	We have uh, moving on.
	Moving on though Amanda, you said the statement is women are just as physically strong as men, to which you agree.
	Why is that?
	Um, some of them can have bigger muscles than some dudes and they can like, lift more, and yeah, but not all right.
	But this is sort of a general uh, general statement.
	Um, generally speaking uh, men are physically stronger than women, or do you disagree with that?
	They definitely are.
	Yes okay 100 yes, so I agree with you.
	Some women are certainly stronger than some men but, generally speaking, men are stronger.
	Most men are stronger than most women.
	Hell yes yeah uh okay Eugenia, you said men are more privileged in society than women.
	Also Kelly, you also agree with that.
	Uh, why is that?
	Also Amanda, you agree with that?
	Why is that?
	I would say based on um personal experience and like anecdotes are never good, but just based on the vocational path that i'm on, like in the automotive industry, I would say upward, like mobility is more readily available.
	So I would say, like just impertinence to work typically you're not the first option um, so i'm car salesman.
	Yeah, women do astoundingly well in sales.
	We do well, don't get me wrong and yeah, our numbers are.
	But i'm just saying if um, and this might just be my personal experience, but in regards to like consideration for like managerial roles and like moving up or like moving to closer and stuff, I feel like they typically well, who makes the most money is it I. There is a girl that, like the outgross in everyone, does the manager of the car dealership make more than like, a top-notch car salesman?
	I could be, I don't know, but yeah.
	So it's like closers, it's like up here no, but the closers make money on all theirs, and then the desk makes money on the closers, like everyone has.
	So it's all commission for everybody.
	Yeah, okay.
	So hey, send your grandma to me.
	I'll send them home with that 30 apr.
	They're gonna die soon.
	The I I again, I don't know car sales, but I figured the actual salesman who's.
	But you have, you have a separate closer.
	Yeah, so with like a closer has like a team, like there's like three or four like closers who have like a.
	So you get to be like the nice guy, like hey buddy, let me talk to my dude, and then like good cop bag, cop the guy into that you know four thousand dollars with add-ons, all right, so you're saying there's more opportunity for men in car sales.
	I guess, I guess that's a really weak argument.
	I would say, all right, that's not I.
	I mean okay, is there anything like a greater differential in privilege between men and women that you can point to besides car sales?
	Or I know, I know i'm trying to think of.
	Okay, think about it, Amanda.
	Um, so the statement is, men are more privileged in society than women.
	I'm looking for a why?
	Just because there's they're stronger, Okay.
	Strongly.
	I mean, they that's just a biological reality.
	I don't know if that would count as like a privilege necessarily.
	I just think that men have been working and stuff longer, and I think that they're just more trusted than women.
	That's not necessarily a bad thing.
	Just more men have just been working longer and just been out longer.
	So they just tend to pick men more, in my opinion.
	I mean, it's not a bad thing.
	Anything for this?
	How are men more privileged?
	If we all agree with you, do we get to go home?
	Or you could just answer the question and say, continuing to waste more time.
	So then I can get you home faster.
	I agree with you.
	Men are not more privileged.
	We're all equally unprivileged.
	Well, this is actually...
	I mean, I don't know.
	What do you want for?
	Do you want to GPU?
	This is actually funny because 18, there is a gender wage gap.
	Would your lack of endurance, let's say, in this conversation seem to point towards maybe that's why there's a gender wage gap.
	My lack of endurance has to do with you not having respect for our time.
	How is it?
	You can literally go.
	You gave us a, I know, I probably will.
	I'll try to avoid that.
	Also, you, you, hold on.
	How is it lack of respect for your time?
	Well, you could give us a ballpoint here when it's the show.
	Like, it's a privilege to be here type shit.
	Like, have you ever watched this?
	If you reached out to us, you asked to be on the show.
	I did.
	It's my bad.
	It's my bad.
	You must have done some research.
	I just assumed the 4 to 11 was the real thing.
	I apologize.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	I mean, have you ever, like, stayed up at a...
	It's so rude.
	I have.
	I have.
	I didn't.
	It's my bad.
	I didn't estimate this correctly.
	It does save my go on longer.
	It may go longer.
	Anyways, so that right there, that was a bit of a time waste.
	Do you want to just answer the question so I can.
	Why do I have to keep?
	We went over it already, right?
	Not really.
	You're complaining about the length of time, but you're just having a medical.
	It's like a stress.
	We get the question answered.
	We can just go.
	So my answer is, yes, there's certain privileges men have.
	Not all of them, but some.
	Yeah.
	I would say that my stance is kind of like pivoted throughout the conversation.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Felicity, you can.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	I mean, I would just say, I don't know, do you believe in, are you like an intersectional feminist?
	Do you believe in intersection?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	I was just going to say two.
	No, just take the seat, I mean.
	Okay, so.
	I didn't think about family court and stuff when I answered that too.
	I mean, I think you have to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances on this one.
	So while it could be conceivable that men have certain privileges, I would say women have certain privileges.
	But then I would just look at the totality of their circumstances to make a determination as to if an individual man or individual woman has like a generalized privilege, like in totality.
	For example, you would agree that like a woman who's born into a super wealthy family and she's perfectly able-bodied and loving parents, et cetera, et cetera, but she's a woman, is more privileged in totality than a man who's born into poverty to a single mother who is in a wheelchair.
	Yes, her privileges are based on her economic standing and not her sex.
	So she has economic privilege, yeah.
	And he has economic right, but it is conceivable that in totality, a man could have less total privileges than a female than a woman.
	Yes, in totality, yeah, but it has nothing to do with sex, so it has to do with totality of privilege because he is a man, no matter what.
	Are there female privileges?
	Are there any female privileges?
	Free drinks.
	Uh, I'm sorry, I'm a little you got this.
	I believe in you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I'm tired.
	Uh, you've already come to me.
	Yes, there are, but I can't think of them right now.
	No excuses.
	Play with the champion.
	There used to be more.
	There are less of them.
	Seriously, you do have some impressive muscles.
	Like, damn.
	Oh, my God.
	She does.
	Damn.
	Yeah, but you know what?
	You heard that guy?
	But you know what?
	That's fucking disgusting.
	If a 15-year-old boy walks into a gym and it's like his first day lifting, he's still going to live more weeds than me.
	Okay?
	Oh, I said.
	You're flexible.
	Oh, shit.
	I said, we're flexed.
	No, it's true.
	No, I'm just saying.
	So in reality, because you just, right?
	She just said that.
	Yeah, she's okay.
	So, yeah.
	And I true.
	Here, just give me like one or two male privileges.
	Male?
	You want male or female?
	Wait, do you think that?
	Never mind.
	You're going to be your own.
	Do you think there are like one or two male privileges?
	Just one or two male privileges.
	When they speak, they speak with authority.
	People generally don't ask them the same question 20 times.
	You're dating me.
	What?
	She's.
	That's one privilege men have inherent when they speak, they're listened to.
	That's the first one.
	The second one, just back to the vibes.
	Their names, the last name.
	We don't even assume a woman's.
	Why would a woman ever have her last name taken?
	It's unthinkable.
	Look at hi-do.
	It's our grandfather's last name.
	Yes, exactly.
	Men pass on the name.
	It's the man's name passed on.
	So what's the solution then to last names if it's like such an injustice?
	Well, there's those people who do too.
	Okay, so, but like, let's assume everybody hyphenates, which, by the way, would be the father's name, the father's name.
	Anyways, but like after a couple generations, motherfuckers have eight last names.
	I agree.
	It's untenable.
	Long term, it's not what you do.
	You're marrying into that family, whether it's like a you're marrying into that family, you should take their it is what it is.
	That's just what I'm saying.
	It's the you're identifying as that family now, and not the automatic assumption is the man's last name.
	It's just a respect thing that you want to start and like live your life.
	Wait, wait, you said the automatic assumption, but it doesn't matter if there's other avenues, right?
	So if we quit, it doesn't matter.
	It's not an inherent privilege if we can take her name or we can hyphenate.
	Wait, I don't know if this is a dog shit argument, but what about this?
	So let's say you have a family with one son, one daughter, and then another family with one son, one daughter, and they intermarry.
	Like the daughter from one family marries the son, the son from another family marries the daughter.
	So there would, in this scenario, pass through the men in each respective family, both of the family names continue on.
	Ancestral.
	I mean, it's still like 0% of the women get to keep their last name, but both of the families are not.
	Double misogyny.
	Does that, is that kind of like that might be kind of like dog shit argument.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Just two or three more.
	Then we're going to wrap up the show.
	We talked about most of this.
	Let's see.
	Gender wage gap.
	Boring.
	Boring.
	Oh, Amanda, women do not have equal rights to men in the United States.
	How so?
	Because we're still not paid equal.
	Just on that, in my opinion.
	I know we were going to skip that, but it's true.
	It's been debunked like years ago.
	It was debunked.
	It was debunked.
	Well put.
	Yeah, debunked.
	Fake news.
	Like the Epstein files.
	Oh, here we go.
	All right.
	Somebody get this girl for medication.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, look, essentially, I mean, it breaks down like this.
	So, well, tell me, can you tell me what your sense is of the gender wage gap?
	Like, what does that mean?
	That, like, a woman is paid less for the same job that a man does.
	Sure, and there's different numbers that are thrown out.
	Yeah, that has been debunked, and that's that's freaking, that's awesome.
	So I'm talking about my W women's fucking epics.
	So, what they've found is if you compare all women who work to all men who work, and you don't take into account things like hours worked, type of job, there's a whole bunch, there's like dozens of different factors that you can analyze.
	You're just comparing these two uncontrolled numbers.
	It's often said like it's 80 cents to the dollar.
	The uncontrolled gender earnings gap.
	I don't call it a wage gap, I call it an earnings gap.
	That does exist.
	But then, when you start to control for hours worked, geography, location, willingness to work overtime, hazard pay, you look at the types of professions that men and women are, it shrinks down to 99 cents to the dollar.
	Well, thank you for changing that.
	I appreciate that.
	Yeah, so if you factor for all these things, it almost completely disappears.
	And then I like to make it almost look at it through a dating lens.
	Let's say there's 30 to 40% of women who want a man to pay for the first date and who want a man to be a provider.
	And say there's 20% of women who want to be stay-at-home wives.
	It's not the majority of women, but the minority of women could create enough of a dating, like a social pressure, cultural pressure that would lead them to be less desirous of a higher-earning job because they're just ultimately going to look to the man to be the provider.
	And then it's going to place a pressure on a subset of men to be more motivated to achieve.
	And these men are going to, you know, they're going to perhaps be more motivated to get and ultimately will get higher paying jobs or higher status jobs because of the mating pressure that women, even feminists like her over here, she says she wants a, she says men should pay on first aids.
	That would create a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist in the opposite direction.
	Ergo, gender wage gap, BTFO'd, debunked.
	But yeah, just essentially from a dating lens, it does create a pressure on men that doesn't exist in women.
	And so it'd be explained away by women's own mating pressure for show.
	And then also, I mean, another argument you could say is women, what's stopping women from, you know, if it is actually the case that you could pay women less, why aren't organizations just hiring women?
	And then, well, okay, the organizations are run by men and they're all sexist.
	Okay, what's stopping women then if you can actually pay women less from just starting women-only corporations and out-competing these other corporations, right?
	There's women-run corporations.
	I feel like there's I feel like that's really not a fucking man-way, like man-woman issue right now.
	I feel like a lot of like the younger generation is just complacent with like not making enough money right now.
	Yeah, economy major fucked.
	Um, okay, we're gonna get this wrapped up.
	We're gonna let the TTS come through.
	If you want to roast the panel, roast away.
	We have Pasty George with the opening.
	Oh, whoops.
	Uh, can you read that one?
	Can you read that?
	Men who go out and have sex with trans women are gay because I oops, sorry, because a trans woman.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm a slow reader.
	Here, I'll pull it back up.
	That was my bad.
	It's gonna, it's just gonna come in this TTS.
	W donos support the stream.
	Hasty George donated $30.
	Thank you, man.
	Men who go out and have sex with trans women are gay because a trans woman is still a man biologically.
	Our technology hasn't advanced yet to change a person's chromosomes and body completely.
	I love how it ends on like an optimistic note.
	You think science is gonna get to the point where we can change our chromosomes?
	Tubidasso donated $30.
	Thank you.
	A fat woman is the equivalent of what a broke dude is.
	Care to where do you get that button up?
	Cause that button strong as fucks.
	Bet you can't button up that shirt all the way and touch your elbows.
	Okay.
	It's a little fat phobic.
	Well, yeah, I'm actually offended because I'm like kind of overweight.
	So I know you look cubbier and burst out.
	Oh, wow, that's cute.
	You're fine.
	I mean, you look.
	She's vindicated you after you attacked her all my time.
	I know I know.
	I like to have empathy for people.
	I'm getting stoned in a glass house right now.
	I'm sorry.
	You don't deserve that.
	That was cold what he said, in my opinion.
	It was.
	That was.
	No, that was cold.
	It was fucked up.
	It's fucked up, chatter.
	Yeah.
	It's okay.
	I mean, my friend loves batter shit.
	Like, he absolutely loves.
	They freaking built like a refrigerator.
	Okay.
	So, all right.
	Okay.
	Tubbed out.
	Skinny girl.
	Demi donated $30.
	Women are now in combat roles happened in 2016.
	The problem is that men were still held to a higher physical standard than the mootil a few months ago when the new off gender neutral was implemented.
	Oh, that's interesting for like training.
	Yeah.
	Dog shit moderator.
	Thank you for the 20 memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's see here.
	Are you sleeping?
	What?
	You're sleeping.
	Charlx D donated $29.
	Even the D-Gen Goona in Chair 3 realizes that gender neutral pronouns are brainless.
	We might be making some societal progress finally.
	Still a fucking dingus, though.
	Dude, my polykill might have just scared me over to the right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have Face Thor.
	Thank you, Charlie.
	Get him in.
	$29 TTS, guys.
	Trans women are women.
	Let them compete in women's sports then and let's see what happens.
	Got tick-tard brain.
	You know how to get the ratings of women's sports up.
	They should play topless.
	That'll probably work.
	We need to support the WNBA.
	No, okay, I hear you.
	And honestly, that's why I conceded on the argument because the framework itself is flawed.
	Because, yeah, I would agree with you that we probably need another category.
	But it just feels like invalidating to like straight up.
	I am being using my personal bias to say what I'm saying because I'm not going to like invalidate my trans friends' like identity.
	Cool.
	But I understand the argument.
	So is gay, technically.
	Sons of Liberty donated $29.99.
	Lost credibility and respect for Chair 3.
	Trans women are men, period.
	It would be 1 million percent gay.
	Also, women get so much special treatment and privileges in corporate America.
	Guys, my roommate is a trans lady.
	You're what?
	My roommate.
	That's just your personal bias.
	That's cool.
	We respect trans people.
	K2 donated $30.
	Kel remembered her radar today.
	Locked in.
	What's up, K2?
	Welcome.
	Thank you, K2.
	Appreciate it.
	This one's for Felonicity.
	Mr. Basement donated $30.
	Felonicity needs to get a hand fan.
	She can just wave it in the background.
	If a panelist gets out of line, she can whack their wrists.
	Or their head.
	Yeah.
	Disrespect swap.
	Refuses to delete of.
	I already knew that.
	You could get a little horse thing.
	Felicity is the what's that term?
	Enforcer.
	Regulator.
	Domination.
	Felicity the regulator.
	Thank you, Mr. Basement.
	Hasty George donated $30.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	So, for now, until our technology advances to the point of being able to change chromosome bodies, men who think they are women and vice versa are mentally ill and should not be enabled.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's yeah.
	What?
	Is this the roast?
	It should be a little bit more.
	Oh, you want some roast?
	You want a roast?
	I'm just asking if this is the roast.
	Oh, she hasn't had enough roasting.
	I can't mentally prepare myself on.
	She ate chat.
	She hasn't felt the heat enough.
	She needs to be roasted.
	She's got grammar.
	Give us your best roast.
	Your mother.
	Roast them.
	Roast them up.
	Roast them.
	Roast them.
	Guys, we'll let we're going to wrap this up in about five-ish minutes or so, so you guys do have time to get some roasts in.
	You guys do have time to get some roasts in.
	Let's see here.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we wrap up?
	Speak now, forever, hold your peace.
	I'm starting a podcast.
	Ooh, how's that?
	You're going to start a podcast?
	Oh, no, you're not very talking.
	No offense.
	I haven't really had a chance to talk.
	Every time I said something, someone in there got to get in there.
	Man, I gave y'all a bunch of opportunities.
	I got to see some every time I see some burnouts, motorcycles, cars, and shit.
	Piazz Electric on YouTube.
	Follow Kinetic Cal on Twitch and YouTube.
	I'll follow.
	Can we promote all of those?
	Are we promosing stuff?
	Is this the worst panel?
	It's time to fucking have a combo.
	Not is this the worst panel of the year?
	Last moment for advertising.
	Go ahead.
	Podcast.
	This is a movie that I made.
	I feel like this is the least productive conversation I've so I'm going in.
	I'm going to start bringing like girls that are still in sex work on and talking about that.
	And then as a single mom with kids with disabilities.
	I'm to Jesus.
	Well, you can interview me.
	My son has autism that can be considered a disabled W.
	So you know what?
	You guys could start a podcast together.
	I'll be interviewed by you.
	How cute.
	Yeah.
	I'm down.
	Okay, we got some coming in.
	Fat bastard donated $30.
	Get in my belly.
	I want my baby back, baby, back, baby, back, baby, back.
	Ribs, I want my baby, back, Ribs, chill, lease, baby, back, chill.
	Okay, dude.
	Okay.
	Awesome powers, guys.
	Devon Jackson donated $30.
	But life over there looks like she has bigger balls than Chair Three's Polly Homeless.
	Roasty, maybe.
	Probably does.
	Exactly.
	Thank you, Dave Holland.
	Really appreciate it.
	Good to see you.
	Rift got that giant donated $30.
	You still let him hit a draw.
	Didn't have second thoughts.
	Now you a single mom.
	Now you a single mom.
	He's a liar to have his kids.
	Don't care if he's here or not.
	Now you a single mom.
	K2 donated $30.
	Never trust a woman doing electric work.
	Come on, it's honest work.
	It's honest.
	They're worse than car sales ladies, too.
	What's the difference between AC and DC?
	Alternating green and indirect.
	Alternating indirect.
	One is low voltage and one is hard.
	I don't even know that.
	Oh, yeah.
	You've been zapped?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like shocked?
	The worst.
	Like second on 277 volts, which is commercial, commercial lighting.
	My elbow was touching a ceiling grid.
	I was like.
	Yeah, that one hurt.
	You can die.
	Yeah, but the thing, well, yeah, but the thing is, you have to be, how grounded are you?
	And you have to be dealing with high voltage.
	You know, I've been hit on doing services, so from the street, I've been hit on that stuff.
	And, you know, that's just regular 120 volts.
	So.
	Do you ever bring electricity into the bedroom?
	DC.
	Okay.
	We have.
	Oh, my.
	Nipple demonstrated donated $30.
	Is it gay when a woman fucks both sex?
	No.
	Nah.
	Nah, not if your boyfriend really wants to.
	It's not gay.
	That's bisexual.
	That's bisexual.
	Devon Jackson donated $30.
	There's no good men but you.
	But what if you only do it with the boyfriend?
	Stay pregnant.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	If you only do it with the boyfriend, then it's not gay.
	We have 98% Oz Australian 30 chair.
	Come to us.
	I don't know what just chair.
	Come to Australia and live and travel on my sailing yacht hot with me.
	I need a mechanic.
	There's nobody else.
	I think this is for you.
	Mechanic.
	Mechanic.
	I think he thinks you're a mechanic, not a collection.
	I sell the cars.
	I don't fix them.
	Clearly.
	My car fucking broke on the way up here and I took a $400 Uber up from Dago.
	I don't know if I can make it.
	See that?
	I'll give you credit for that.
	Most people would just be like, I'm just going to flake.
	I appreciate you sticking to the plan.
	I see you talking shit all the time about these flakers.
	I was like, I'm not about to be.
	We had a no-show today.
	That was kind of lame.
	I was about to be the second one, bro.
	Okay, guys.
	we'll give you guys a little bit more time if you want because i know some of you are still getting your rosin uh uh uh would you ever be in a polycule brian No.
	For how much?
	No.
	I mean, I wouldn't, like, if I just had a harem or some shit.
	That's basically what he was doing.
	He was taking somebody's.
	They're all exclusive to me.
	That's what he was trying to do.
	He literally jumped my ass with something in someone else.
	I would be open to it.
	The harem?
	Cool.
	You wouldn't have a boyfriend?
	I have a polyfried.
	I would deal, like, if multiple chill with it, I would have multiple women, like, I would be with multiple women.
	Brian?
	But they could only see me.
	I would do that.
	Why not?
	That's living in Utah, right?
	I also found out recently that that's apparently what a lot of poly guys try and do.
	I think polygamy is illegal.
	I have a poly friend that was talking about marriage.
	And they ended up getting them too.
	Like, what the fuck?
	It wasn't because it wasn't like.
	He had me feeling like a cheater.
	I've never cheated in my life.
	I literally was talking to someone else.
	I'm like, we're literally in a polyamorous really.
	I think it's because they're really big on communication.
	I was communicating and they were like, you're disrespecting me.
	I'm like, what do you mean?
	I met your girl.
	I met my S. You're not supposed to say that word anymore, huh?
	Sister?
	My sister.
	That's why I said sister riff earlier.
	Oops, why is not playing?
	There it is.
	Nippled a monster donated $30.
	But why is it gay when a man fucks a man and he likes to love a woman?
	It's not gay when a woman fucks both sex.
	What?
	That's a good observation.
	Actually, yeah, you got to do it.
	Yo, Stellar, thank you for the gifted 10 subs on twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's go.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Nipple demonstrated donated $30.
	Why is it not gay when a woman fucks a man and a woman not at the same time of the first both sex?
	But it's gay when a man fucks a guy and a woman.
	Retweet.
	I think it's all gay.
	Kovox 87 donated $30.
	Number three: To truly respect someone is not to reinforce their trans delusions, but to help them to come to terms with reality and accept themselves for who they really are biologically.
	You want me to have an intervention?
	Oh boy, here it is.
	Brian is still the fattest girl on the planet.
	Yeah.
	Fat, That's true.
	Gotta lose the shit, bro.
	Boys, I'm losing the weight.
	It's coming off.
	Can we get some Scotts for fat?
	You're like, what happened to body shaming?
	That's not okay.
	You're not.
	I'm chubby.
	I'm Rubinesque.
	A little bit.
	What's your average build?
	You're a little bit.
	Kind of bigger, anyway.
	So it was seen more that you could feed yourself and stuff and that you're not porn.
	Okay, Brian.
	Don't let them get to you.
	Big ladies, get out of here.
	They've been calling me fat for two years now.
	I'm doing okay.
	I'm all right.
	I'm not offended.
	Oh, you sleep at night.
	You just look sad.
	What?
	A little bit.
	I look sad, like in general, or like when it was going fat, fat, fat.
	Someone clip it.
	Can we get the clip?
	He just likes there.
	He's disassociating.
	So sad.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, here we'll do final call outs.
	Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.
	Mitchell, thank you for the $2.
	Oh, bro.
	You sent me fucking simp.
	$2 for Felicity.
	Okay.
	Like the video, please, if you enjoyed the stream.
	Also, guys, here's what I want you to do.
	We haven't done this before.
	Oh, two things.
	After the show, it takes like a minute to process.
	Leave a comment on the video.
	Say something a little nice.
	Say something nice about me.
	Leave a comment, guys.
	Stick around for when the show wraps because while we're live, you can't leave comments.
	We end the stream pretty much right away, so you're able to leave a comment.
	You know, say something, you know, say something nice about me or one of the other panelists.
	I'd like to, I want to start having the comment section be like more positive.
	So those are the viewers, if the homies, you can stick around until the end for when we end the stream, and then you can leave a comment.
	I also like the video.
	Also, I want to give a congratulations to the Guild Eternal on what?
	Are they on?
	Are you guys on?
	Hold on.
	Night Slayer.
	They're on Night Slayer, right?
	I'm pretty sure.
	Hold on, let me see.
	Eternal Guild Eternal.
	World of Warcraft.
	Keck.
	He said Cherry is hot.
	Hold on.
	Is it Nightslayer?
	I'm pretty sure it's Nightslayer, right?
	They called your mom in high school.
	One sec, guys.
	Do I?
	Yeah, Night Slayer.
	Okay, I'm pretty sure.
	I want to give them a little congratulations.
	They got world first speed run alliance.
	Well, both factions.
	They got world first 10-minute 31-second Black Wing Layer BWL.
	Exceptional.
	Top, top tier, exceptional.
	Congratulations, Eternal, for the big world record speed run in Black Wing Layer.
	Congratulations.
	Well done, boys.
	Well done.
	I congratulate you for that.
	These girls are like, the fuck is Royal?
	I should have played the fucking noise.
	Congratulations, Eternal.
	You know, you might wondering why I'm thanking Eternal.
	Let's just say I knew about Eternal back, way back in the day.
	Back, you know, their OG server, OG Rome, back, you know, 2019, 2020.
	So congratulations, Eternal, though, on the Black Wing Layer world record.
	10 minutes, 31 seconds.
	Really just fantastic players all around.
	Great players, very good.
	Very talented.
	Immaculate stuff.
	Yeah, anyways, thank you for sharing.
	All right.
	That was not cringe.
	Okay, we're all caught up on the chats, it looks like.
	Oh, wait.
	Your last one, I think.
	Summer $1,234 donated $30.
	How you'll the girls feel if they dated a man?
	Didn't become intimate for months.
	This was a full-blown dude to find out they had a coochie.
	George donated $30.
	We'll have that.
	I want to thank the panelists for attending the podcast and to Brian, our host.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Felicity, you speech demon.
	Be sure to drive down the right side of the road.
	No.
	Thank you all and good night.
	Anybody really quickly want to respond to that other one that came through?
	How would you feel if you dated a guy, didn't become intimate for months, and then it turns out it was a lady?
	Hey, I would be a deceit.
	I mean, I'm not there's people that are okay with dating trans people and will accept them like for how they present.
	There's people that will never accept it and think it's gay.
	So I would feel the same way because they weren't straight up with it.
	Yeah, you were deceived.
	Well, we didn't do the makeup removal for tonight, but honestly, I'm not sure if we needed to do that.
	Okay, GG to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Oh, we need to do Twitch really quick.
	Guys, really quick on your way out.
	There's still a thousand of you watching.
	Check really quick if you have a Prime sub available.
	Just drop us a Prime sub super quick and just drop us a follow if you aren't following already.
	Would really appreciate the support.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a Prime sub if you have one.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	All right, last call, hit the like button, please.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We've got a really cool guest coming on Sunday, so be sure to tune in.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM at whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, which are we good?
	No, that's it.
	Okay, cool, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys, and we will see you next time.

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