Whatever Podcast - Crash Out Kylie LAWSUIT Update?! Chloe Roma vs. Feminists! Goth Alt E-GIRL!

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Crash Out Kylie LAWSUIT Update?! Chloe Roma vs. Feminists! Goth Alt E-GIRL! | Dating Talk #252

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
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	10,000 a year in the United States.
	Someone who only dates women with large labia, this is a personal cause, a personal mission for me.
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	Also, once we get through the intros, you'll notice we have Crash Out Kylie there.
	We have some updates.
	Got some updates on the whole her crashing out, Crash Out Kylie crashing out, lawsuit update with her.
	So we'll do that after the introduction.
	You're getting sued by somebody?
	Yes.
	Yes.
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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, education.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Jimma Hex with a J. I'm from Las Vegas, and I am a model/slash adult actress.
	Age?
	Oh, I'm 27.
	27.
	All right.
	Any education, college?
	I went to school for abnormal psychology and criminal justice, as well as film and photography.
	Did you get like an associate's degree, bachelor's degree?
	I got many credits, but ended up.
	You didn't complete it?
	I didn't complete.
	I did many years, but unfortunately didn't get the degree.
	And you said abnormal psychology.
	Tell me, like, do you recall anything you learned?
	Well, I continue studying every day.
	I actually watch this show a lot to learn about how people think and how they would like to discuss it with other people.
	It's very interesting to me.
	Okay.
	And I noticed you have vampire teeth.
	I do, yeah.
	So are those things?
	They're surgically added or how's that?
	What are they called?
	Basically, think of the stuff they fill your cavities with.
	They build that up onto the tooth and then they create the shape that works best for your bite.
	I have an overbite.
	I get asked all the time if I bite myself.
	Do a big smile into the camera right here so they can see the vampire teeth.
	Do you have any other body mods or is that?
	I have a split tongue.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	Other than that, I'm about 60 tattoos on me.
	I'm working on a full body blackout right now.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	And you said you do OF and I do OF.
	I have Minivids as well.
	So you have what?
	Minivids.
	Many.
	Oh, okay.
	It's like a different one.
	It's a newer site.
	I tend to like it a lot more because it's more new age than OnlyFans is, the setup and the way the website is made.
	Okay.
	Like, I'd say OnlyFans is like analog Facebook and Minivids is like TikTok, Twitter.
	You know, like it's new, it's fast.
	People want to see it.
	And you do like traditional adult content too?
	I mean, obviously I'm in the alt sector.
	I do a lot of like split tongue content.
	I do a lot of DOMing, like Dominatrix work.
	But my main money comes from doing like girlfriend experience or, I don't want to call it like mommy work, but it's basically just being like very caring and like making sure somebody knows that they can get through that stressful time with you type thing, that they have somebody behind them.
	All right.
	I like to care.
	Okay.
	Have you done any other kind of like sex work?
	Yeah, I'm an escort as well.
	You do escort as well.
	But I don't do it on a mainstream scale.
	I've had the same couple people for a very long time, and we've become very good friends, very close.
	Any dancing, stripping, anything like that?
	I would like to soon.
	After my tattoos are done within this next month, I'll be starting to dance in Vegas.
	Put myself out there.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Lindsay Lee.
	I'm 29.
	I'm from Arizona.
	And I have done some college, but I was working corporate and doing adult entertainment.
	So I'm an adult film star right now, full-time.
	All right.
	Kat, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
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	Nick, is the audio maxed?
	Okay.
	Kat, big thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Kat.
	Very generous of you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And sorry, did you say you did any college or university or anything?
	Yeah, I did, but I couldn't afford school and work, so I just had to keep working.
	All right.
	Cool, cool.
	Welcome back.
	What about you?
	My name's McKenna.
	I go by Kennedy B with content work.
	I'm 29.
	I'm from Portland, Oregon, but I live in Tempe, Arizona now.
	I'm a veterinary technician, a licensed esthetician, and I do OnlyFans as well as minivids.
	I don't know, adult content.
	Yeah.
	Full-time, all the time.
	You're allowed to do that and have a full-time job?
	Yeah.
	Do they know?
	The practice that I worked for for the last nine and a half years, my entire team knew what I did as far as OnlyFans.
	The corporation I work for now doesn't technically know what I do as far as like the corporate head higher-ups because we're, I'm just going to say, we're owned by Mars, like the people that own the candy bars, the corporation that I work for now.
	But like all my in-house management co-workers, other technicians, doctors, all of them know what I do.
	Do you think they watch your stuff?
	Not really.
	It's mainly straight women that I work with.
	I've had like one gentleman that I worked with.
	Oh, weird.
	Yeah, vet clinics, like the men tend to be a veterinarian, but the rest of the staff is mainly women.
	So I had like one like client like that brings, you know, an owner that brought their pets to us at the general practice I worked to back in Oregon that followed me, but he like never made it a thing to like say anything in the clinic.
	He wouldn't try to like get me in trouble.
	Not that they could.
	My entire staff knew.
	They didn't care.
	And you work with pets, who said?
	I'm a veterinary technician.
	I've been a veterinary technician nine going on 10 years.
	Nice.
	Yep.
	All right.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Jade Warwick, The Warwick Report.
	I'm 27 from Wales.
	Yes, I went to Cardiff University business.
	I'm a political and social commentary person.
	Now it's kind of all I do.
	All right.
	Education?
	Yeah, Caudif Uni.
	Oh, what was your degree in?
	Business and leadership.
	We got a smart woman at the table.
	Look at you go.
	What about you?
	My name is Big Booty Tay with four Ys.
	As of now, I've been full OnlyFans.
	Like your legal name, Big Booty.
	Big Booty is your middle name or something?
	Yeah, that's my last name.
	As of now.
	That's your last name.
	Yes.
	As of now, I'm full-blown OnlyFans, camming, and hopefully stripping.
	Any college, university?
	A beauty school dropout.
	So no.
	Beauty school dropout.
	Wait, is it?
	Did you notice that glitch?
	Yeah, that's what I was just investigating.
	I saw it on YouTube too.
	When we drew our big camera.
	When it goes, let me see if I can hold on.
	I'm going to see if I can reproduce it.
	I know the fix to it.
	It's really weird.
	I don't, let me see.
	So usually it's 3Cam.
	No.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm trying to reproduce.
	OBS is glitching out when going right cam.
	Here, in 3Cam, Nick, what we're going to do, do you see GH5R in sources?
	In sources.
	Okay, no, no, no, the top one that's at the very top.
	Hit the, yep, hit that.
	Okay.
	That's going to be our temporary fix for that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That should probably fix it.
	Anyways, sorry, university, you said no university.
	No, I'm just being spoiled.
	What about you?
	Crystal here.
	Nice to meet everyone.
	I'm from Oakland, California.
	I am 28, but I'll be 29 on Wednesday.
	And I currently work for the state.
	I have my associates in political science.
	I have my bachelor's in political science.
	And I'm currently a full-time graduate student at USC for my master's in public administration.
	You work for the state?
	Yes, sir.
	What do you do?
	I do policy work.
	What does that mean?
	I help my senator write policy for the state of California.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Is there anything in particular you're working on right now?
	Yeah, we have a full bill package.
	A bill that I've worked on that's been signed by the governor, SB 67.
	It's called OD Maps.
	You work for, is he a Republican, Democrat?
	He's a Republican.
	Republican.
	Okay.
	Are there many Republicans in the, what is it, the state?
	State of California?
	What is it?
	The state Senate?
	Yeah.
	There's not many at all.
	This is a supermajority state, obviously.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	Well, I'm curious, is there a like, let's say I wanted to change the law in California.
	How do I go about that?
	What would the process be?
	As an individual, it's pretty hard, depending on what side.
	But you could appeal to somebody who is a legislator.
	Right.
	And then they could possibly try to propose a bill.
	Right.
	The bigger your coalition, depending on the subject, the more tact you'll have as far as getting things across the finish line.
	Okay.
	Let's say child support reform in the state of California.
	What if you wanted to put caps on it?
	What would be the procedure in the process for capping child support?
	Well, you need to get a group of stakeholders, obviously, together, and then you would lobby a certain senator depending on your district or what you think a senator's area of expertise would be in.
	And then you would follow the process along that route.
	But it's like grassroots is really where it's at when you're talking about making change on an individual level.
	Gotcha.
	Would that be like a petition type thing?
	Like if you wanted something changed or you wanted to bring up something, you'd get a petition with a bunch of signatures and then bring it to them.
	Right.
	I mean, that's the process when you want to put something on the ballot.
	But a bill, I guess it would be more directly through an actual legislature, like the actual senator or assembly member.
	So you could bring like a petition to your state representative and they could bring it to somebody like you.
	Well, my senator, yeah.
	Your senator.
	Interesting.
	But it's like really like chain of command.
	There's a lot of steps when it comes to like changing the law.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wait, hold on.
	I got everything mixed up here.
	Age, did you say your age?
	Oh, 28.
	Okay, 28.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Kate, and I'm 37 from Seattle.
	And I wash boats and yachts for work.
	Wow.
	I love it.
	And I had a rough night yesterday?
	No, my voice is like this.
	The Adderall drives my vocal cords out.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So it makes it.
	It wasn't like this before I was taking the Adderall.
	It makes me pretty mad.
	Okay.
	You were on the show a couple months ago.
	Yes.
	Did you take Adderall before?
	I don't recall your voice being.
	It's been changing.
	It's changed like the last couple of months, but it was still pretty raspy the last time I was on.
	Okay.
	It's getting slightly less raspy now, but it's causing this weird in-between of like it still makes my voice raspy, but my vocal cords aren't as dry.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	People like that.
	Off-center.
	Brian, sorry to interrupt, but your request, reporting an issue.
	The center full table camera is off-centered.
	You're talking about this one, right?
	Full table.
	You know what?
	It might just be an optical illusion.
	It's a little, it's a teeny bit.
	So what I'm doing is right now, I'm looking at the top corners.
	So if you're looking at the bottom corners, you'll be like, whoa, there's a big empty space behind her, but I'm almost cut off.
	But if you're looking at the top corners, it is a little bit pushed in that direction, but it's not too bad.
	I'll adjust it in a bit.
	Thank you for the looking out, though.
	I do appreciate it.
	I will look into that.
	Any college or university or anything?
	I went to cosmetology school for a while, but I didn't enjoy it, so I didn't finish.
	Okay.
	What happened to the nose ring?
	Didn't you have a nose ring or something?
	Several piercings I took out.
	They're all gone now after your last appearance.
	Yo, Natalia, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Natalia.
	Thank you so much.
	That's very kind of you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Chloe, what about you?
	You guys already know who I am.
	My name is Chloe Roma.
	I'm an international men's rights advocate.
	First person on social media to ever do it.
	Down here all the way from Canada.
	I'm 28 years old.
	And post-secondary education, I'm university educated for funeral services and embalming.
	And I have an undergrad in disabilities with a specialization in fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.
	And I'm going back to school for forensic psychology and criminal profiling.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Let's go.
	Thank you.
	And you said you got a degree in like embalming or funeral services and embalming from Mount Royal University.
	In Canada.
	Yes, sir.
	And did you ever actually work in the funeral industry?
	No, because I'm covered in tattoos and they waited till the second last day to talk about attire before the exams.
	And my professor pretty much looked at me and was like, yeah, it's a very competitive field and you're the last person to get picked.
	Took all my money.
	Waited till the last day, but it's fine because I do this instead.
	Right?
	That is so funny.
	So you never actually ended up embalming?
	No.
	Well, I did.
	All during the school?
	Yeah, for sure.
	But in terms of employment.
	Professionally, no.
	You can do my funeral.
	Okay.
	Wait, so like the you were not granted like a diploma or no, I have it.
	I just didn't go into the field.
	Instead, I left and I went into addictions and disabilities.
	But they wouldn't let you do it because of your tattoos?
	I could have, but the professor, we were talking about attire the very last day, and the professor was like, just so you know, this is a very competitive field.
	You're dealing with people from many different religions.
	You know, some are like the last people to evolve because they're so old.
	So, you know, you're trusting somebody to be the last person to ever touch your loved ones.
	And a lot of people would not trust someone looking like me.
	So.
	I would only trust someone looking like you.
	Well, I mean, they got a turtle night.
	You could have worn a turtle back, right?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Well, the hands.
	I'd have to.
	Oh, the hands?
	Yeah.
	But don't you wear gloves when you're actually embalming somebody?
	Funeral services and embalming.
	You're not just embalming.
	You could go from embalming somebody to having to clean up and actually go and plan the funeral with the family.
	So it's very one-to-one.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen Six Feet Under?
	No.
	You haven't seen Six Feet Under?
	No.
	That's a good question.
	It was very old, well, old show on HBO.
	I think like the early mid-2000s, it focused on a family that lived in a funeral home.
	The Adams family?
	No, they ran away from them.
	No, it was like...
	Oh, okay.
	And basically, every episode, somebody dies, and long-form drama show in the same vein of like the Sopranos.
	It came out right around the same time as the Sopranos.
	So premium HBO production.
	Yeah, I love the material.
	I'll look into it.
	No, no, it was fiction.
	It was a fun show.
	It was a bench watch it too.
	It's a fiction show.
	Yeah, they ran the funeral home and the dad passed away or something.
	Wait, don't fucking spoil it.
	I had the first episode.
	The first episode.
	Yeah, don't spoil even the first episode of a sixth season show.
	I don't think I ruined it.
	It came out 20 plus years ago.
	Is there a guy from Dexter on there?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What's his name?
	The guy who played Dexter is Michael C. Hall.
	Michael C. Hall.
	He's so hot.
	Yeah.
	So I don't know if you're saying that too.
	Funeral home stuff, but recommend the show.
	Would you let me embalm you, Brian?
	I plan.
	I'm going to.
	Cremation?
	Yes.
	I'll just say that.
	I'm going to remember that on camera.
	It's a legally binding contract.
	All right.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What's everybody's relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Relationship, married, whatever.
	How long have you been single if you're single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	I am currently engaged.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you so much.
	Me and my partner are both in the film and photography and adult industry scene.
	We discussed I'm not allowed to talk a lot about him, but he has a big boy job.
	So he's mainly focusing on that.
	But our goals are to create like a production company in Las Vegas together in which we can bring people to a safe environment in order to work.
	So that's our goals together.
	But my longest relationship was probably about six years.
	And that was a, it was pretty toxic.
	Until I got into this relationship, I feel I was in this like cycle of going through the same types of men and the same types of relationships that just left me downtrodden and in a bad place.
	And I'm very lucky to have the person I have now.
	How long have you guys been together?
	We've been together for a year now.
	What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	The one I just spoke of is like six years.
	Oh, six years.
	That was back in Charleston, South Carolina.
	Garrett.
	That's where I'm from.
	I am from the South.
	Who broke up with who?
	For the six-year one?
	It's one of those situations where we just realized it wasn't going to work between us.
	We had broken up.
	We spent a couple months apart, tried again, and it was great for a month.
	And then after that, we realized that neither of us had grown in the ways that we thought that we had.
	And so we split up, and I literally moved across the country and came to Las Vegas to start my life.
	That was about four years ago.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	What about you?
	I am happily single.
	And my longest relationship was probably about five years.
	My high school sweetheart.
	And technically, like his mom broke it off by telling me because he just blocked me on everything.
	So how long have you been single for?
	Oh, gosh.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if I count my last one even.
	Don't count.
	Maybe two years then.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single since I think 2022 now.
	So we're pushing three years.
	Yeah, we're almost at three years.
	My longest relationship that I was ever in was five and a half years long from the time I was 15 to almost 21.
	It was like my high school sweetheart relationship as well.
	It was very toxic and messed up and I don't know, it was emotionally toxic.
	What did you do that was toxic?
	I didn't actually do anything.
	I assume it was hurt.
	Yeah, he was also three years older than me.
	But he just cheated on me pretty much the whole time.
	And it was like my first love.
	I was madly in love with him.
	And so I accepted everything that you should not accept being in a relationship as a young woman.
	And yeah, it kind of wrecked my whole view on love and everything moving forward.
	And then I was single for a year and a half.
	And then I got into a relationship with somebody else who was very toxic and overbearing and like tried to kidnap me and not let me leave his apartment when I tried to break up with him.
	And I have been single since then.
	And that's why I've been single for three years.
	Good times.
	Valid reason.
	And then you said, so that was the one that ended three years ago.
	Yeah.
	How long was that one?
	It was like almost a year.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it was like right on the 12-month mark.
	And then I found out that he'd had another girlfriend for 10 months of the 12 months we were together.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	Oh my God.
	In a relationship.
	We talked about it last time.
	And then my longest relationship was four years in Seattle, actually.
	You're from.
	What about you?
	It'll be four years single.
	Last relationship was four and a half years.
	I want to say that was my longest one.
	And that was also your last relationship?
	Four and a half.
	Okay.
	It ended four years ago.
	You've been single for four years.
	Have there been any couple months, friends with benefits?
	I guess situations, but you don't really count.
	I don't really count them because we're not really getting to know each other.
	What is the situation?
	What do you classify that as?
	Just like, just like pretend, like pretend.
	Boyfriend and girlfriend.
	Friends with benefits.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I would have to say that.
	Okay.
	Boyfriend experience.
	Yeah, but we're not talking about being monogamous or actually in a relationship.
	Talk every like what month?
	Two months.
	See each other and never talk again.
	What about you?
	I'm newly single, coming up on three months.
	That relationship lasted for about three years.
	I keep maxing out at three years because my ex before him was also three years.
	I hope you're doing okay.
	Like two years ago.
	I'm doing great.
	I'm here.
	Two or three.
	Say it again.
	You've had two or three serious relationships, and all of them have kind of maxed out at three years.
	Okay.
	The most recent one who broke up with who?
	I broke up with them.
	The previous one who broke up with who?
	Me also.
	The previous one who broke up with who?
	Me also.
	Okay.
	Any recurring reasons?
	Different reasons?
	The first breakup never takes, so I have a way of coming back around.
	But at the end of the day, it never works out because we have different, we're just in different places usually, is what I've come to find.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	I've been single for, I don't know, about a year and a half or so.
	I was kind of seeing a guy a little bit, but we weren't really official.
	Longest relationship?
	My longest relationship was nine years.
	And were you married?
	Yes.
	Just one time?
	Yes.
	All right.
	No kids, right?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Married nine years.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	He did.
	Okay.
	Any alimony in any direction?
	He sends, he pays me a little bit, but not much.
	When did that end?
	The marriage relationship?
	We split up about nine years ago, and then the divorce was final a few years ago.
	I can't remember the exact date.
	Wait, you've been separated for nine years?
	No, we split up at that time, but the divorce wasn't final for a few years.
	But you guys were broken up nine years ago?
	Yes, that was my longest relationship.
	Okay, so you dated him maybe, what, from like 20 to 29?
	Yes, about that, yeah.
	Okay.
	And then, but it took time for you guys to actually get divorced.
	Yeah.
	And he's, is he still paying you alimony?
	A little bit.
	Wait, and sorry, you initiated it?
	He initiated it?
	He initiated it.
	He initiated the divorce.
	Okay.
	And during that time you guys were separated, was he providing you support financially?
	A small amount.
	okay when we're separated because wait how long are you guys married Nine years.
	Oh.
	You were together nine years and married nine years.
	We were together just over nine years.
	We got married very quickly.
	We were both.
	Like how quick into meeting?
	Did you guys?
	Three months.
	Oh, three months.
	Okay.
	Got married.
	What is the alimony going to expire or is that in perpetuity?
	It's he has to pay me a little bit for a while because of the length of time that we were together.
	What state were you married in?
	Washington State.
	Washington State.
	Wait, what?
	Hold on a second.
	Because I don't know if we have this in Canada.
	If you guys break up, one person, I assume it's whoever makes more money, correct?
	Why is it always the man?
	It has to do with how long you're married, how long you're together.
	But who's the one most commonly playing?
	Like, who has to pay?
	The one who makes the most money or the dude?
	It's usually the one who makes the most money.
	So here, say you and I are married for nine years.
	Say you're awful and you like, I'm not saying you are, but say you like beat me every day, screwed my brother, my dad, and my grandpa.
	And now we have to break up and I got to pay you money just because we broke up?
	Because if you're married, yes, but that has to do with whether or not it's a no-fault state.
	What the hell is that?
	If a no-fault state means that there is, if you're not in a no-fault state, somebody can come and say, like, if a guy is divorcing a woman because she cheated on him, he can say, she cheated on me.
	She ruined our marriage.
	She's at fault.
	I shouldn't have to pay her.
	When you are in a no-fault state, they don't look at any of that stuff.
	It doesn't matter who did what in your relationship.
	The person who was making the majority of the money still usually needs to prove that.
	And was that the case with you?
	It was no fault?
	Yeah, it's a no-fault state.
	That sounds crazy.
	So how do you protect against cases of abuse or something?
	Because oftentimes you can't.
	Not saying you were abusive.
	I'm not suggesting you in any way.
	But people in those situations, I just don't understand.
	Because a lot of times you can't prove abuse.
	That's part of why a lot of people want to get rid of no fault.
	Okay.
	Because correct.
	Thank you for correcting that.
	I appreciate that.
	Nothing against you personally.
	I'm just, you know, I'm not from here anyway.
	I agree with you that it's not fair most of the time what they do when it's like, hey, a guy has to pay half of his money to a woman.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, I mean, I have a few more questions on this.
	So when was the divorce finalized?
	I don't remember the exact time.
	It was a few years after we separated.
	Okay, so was it before or after COVID?
	Before.
	Before COVID?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And do you know the length of time he has to pay you alimony?
	I'm not entirely sure.
	It's partly because of his job, and I don't really want to get into that a whole lot.
	It has to do with the length of time that we were legally married.
	So when you say it has to do with his job, so he was or is a high earner?
	No, not necessarily.
	I don't want to get into what he does for work because this is not about him and his information doesn't need to be out there.
	Oh, we don't need to know like where he works or his specific thing.
	Are you able to share like the field that he's in?
	Is he like finance?
	I can't really share it without giving it away.
	That's fine.
	It's like a famous.
	And it has to do with us being, because we were legally married for more than 10 years.
	That makes a difference.
	How were you legally married from because we split up?
	We were together for nine years and then the divorce took a while.
	So you each had lawyers?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	So neither of you had lawyers?
	No prenuptions.
	Signing the paperwork.
	Yeah, did you guys have a prenuptial agreement?
	No.
	There's, you know, we don't argue over anything.
	There's not really like a ton of hard feelings over it.
	It's just, you know, we sign the paperwork.
	Yeah.
	I guess what I'm getting at is you guys didn't have kids.
	During the course of the relationship, was he financially taking care of everything?
	Mostly, yes.
	Okay.
	Did you not pursue certain job opportunities because you're with him?
	Yeah.
	Like, were you working while you were with him?
	His job moved us around.
	Okay.
	And then prior to meeting him, like, what were you doing for work?
	I was 19.
	Okay.
	I didn't really work a whole lot.
	And were you guys about the same age or was he a bit older?
	Three and a half years older.
	Three and a half years older.
	Okay.
	And was the divorce contentious?
	Not really.
	Okay.
	If you wanted to, could you go to the court and say, you know what?
	I don't want alimony.
	Could you do that?
	Yeah, probably.
	Is there any reason you don't?
	Like, is he just, like, would he voluntarily just pay you the money if there was no legal court, whatever?
	I'm not entirely sure.
	It's honestly, it's hard to answer it because it all has to do with stuff with his job that I can't really get into.
	Okay.
	See what the CIA can tell us.
	Like two lessons.
	But I guess my question is: what I'm getting at here, y'all have been separated for nine years.
	Why?
	and you don't have kids when's the last time you okay well i'll just say When's the last time you had sex with him?
	Why would I have sex with him when we're not together?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Why should he give you money if you're not together?
	It's fucking crazy.
	In any case, look, there's perhaps some instances where I think alimony could be argued as justified, but you're both single.
	You've been separated for nine years.
	Why is this guy paying you fucking money?
	He's also not paying me a lot of money, and a big part of it has to do with the fact that I moved around for his career and was not able to establish one of my own.
	So for many years after we split up, I was in a pretty tough situation trying to get my life sorted out so that I could afford to take care of myself more.
	And over those years, he has paid me less and less.
	Well, for the period of time that you guys were together, he was paying all the rent?
	Yes.
	Okay, was he paying for food?
	Yes.
	He was paying your expenses?
	Did he give you like a allowance or something?
	No.
	No allowance.
	Okay, so like if you needed to buy something for you, how would you?
	I would ask him.
	Oh, so okay.
	You didn't get an allowance, but anything you needed, he would pay for it.
	No, not if I needed it, yes.
	I didn't go out and just go on shopping sprees with his money.
	I was spending anything more than $50, it was, hey, can I get this?
	And if he said no, it was okay, I won't go ahead.
	I want to ask the chat, chat, do you think that given the fact they don't have kids, they were married for technically over 10 years, but they were together for nine years, separated, but he delayed his start of the divorce.
	You think this guy should be paying her nine years?
	It's been nearly a decade since they've had sex.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know.
	Like, what about, what if the courts were like, you know what?
	What about sexual alimony?
	Why is it that men?
	Hold on.
	Look, I'm not advocating for this.
	I don't, I'm not, I'm not saying that prescriptively that this should be the case, but you guys would be like, that's ridiculous.
	Why, like, why should the woman have to continue having sex with the man after they've broken up?
	Why should the man then have to continue paying the woman after they've broken up?
	Okay, I hear what you're saying.
	I think the better question is, is he happy to pay this money?
	Number one, like, does he have an issue?
	Number two, if it's not a lot of money, what's the reason you continue to take it?
	I am still in a position where I'm getting to the point where I'm not going to need it anymore.
	You're almost there.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, but kind of like with a car agreement, you can't just be like, oh, I got a red card and I signed this lease.
	Now I want a blue one.
	And, you know, they should just disregard the agreement.
	Like, marriage is a legal, legal binding between men and women.
	So, I mean.
	Also, you don't know what they went through.
	Like, maybe she has some like emotional distress or something like that.
	Emotional distress.
	Yeah, I mean, men are like a lot to handle, especially if we don't know the in and outs of somebody's relationship.
	Wait, hold on.
	He divorced her.
	Yeah.
	You don't think that's called emotional division?
	Like, you know what?
	I want a blue BMW.
	Yeah, she's moved her whole life.
	Are you alleging that there was emotional trauma?
	I moved my entire life from.
	That's not emotional trauma.
	That's emotional stress.
	Moving is a lot.
	Moving is a lot of work.
	Hold on a half.
	Hold on.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Y'all are crazy.
	Whoa.
	In my perspective, when she's saying, well, my life, you know, I was moving around.
	What I hear is she lived for free for nine years.
	If I could get with a girl and she took care of fucking everything for nine years, I wouldn't be trying to shake her down for money a fucking decade after the last time we even been together.
	Maybe you wouldn't.
	Some men do.
	Some men will take some women like that.
	Okay, the legal system is literally a fucking shakedown.
	It's wealth transfer from men to women.
	That's the legal system.
	Okay, my other question is, if the positions were reversed, obviously you're the only one that knows the full in and outs of your relationship.
	I'm not here to judge you.
	I'm not here to judge anybody.
	Well, I kind of jump in.
	But I'm not going to judge you.
	Judge Chloe.
	Judge Chloe.
	My question is.
	Come on, Mary.
	You're like, do it, do it.
	If the positions were exactly reversed, would you be happy to pay him as well?
	I don't know if I would be happy about it, but if I had married somebody that was a lifetime commitment and they moved their entire life for my career so that I could do what I wanted to do and live my life how I want to, then I would probably understand that if that's how the courts are set up, just something I have to deal with or if that's whatever it is that has to do that then um I here's what I don't understand right
	So I think there is, I hear the other side when it comes to alimony and divorce, where it's like a woman, let's say you meet a girl and she was in college at the time and she was pursuing software engineering.
	And had she gone on to get that degree, she would end up making, you know, upon graduation in some cases, immediately they start making $100,000 a year.
	A lot of these software engineers can make into like the $200,000, $300,000 a year eventually.
	But I guess my question is: what if a woman, prior to meeting her, she was a hairdresser?
	And that was what she was going to be for the rest of her life.
	Some hairdressers make subsidies.
	Really, like, you don't really, I mean, you can raise your prices over time.
	No, somebody.
	But if you're a hairdresser, you keep the skills that you got prior to entering the relationship.
	Why should a man then basically, what's the term for it?
	Subsidize your life when once that relationship ends, you can just go back to the career you were doing and basically make what you, I mean, adjusted for inflation or whatever, make what you were doing at the start of the relationship.
	I realize not all people are hairdressers, but also not all people are software engineers.
	So most people, after they've not been working for a while, have a very hard time going back to whatever career they were doing and making the same amount.
	For one, that makes it very difficult.
	Okay, but I also, there's this lack of acknowledgement.
	Like the way I'm viewing it is if he was supporting you during this entire time, I view that as a windfall where you didn't have any actual expenses.
	Like you didn't pay for rent, you didn't pay for food, you didn't pay for XYZ expense for a period of, you know, nine, the nine years you were together.
	I view that as a windfall.
	And I don't know.
	That's.
	But would you have been happy to have paid the bills?
	Did you put aside your dreams and your goals and your education to support him in his endeavors?
	Yes.
	So I don't see what the issue is.
	I think that there should be a time cap, nine years.
	I think that's a little long.
	However, Brian, if you are, you know, if you're, say you're with a woman and, you know, she's like, I'm a rock star and I want to go travel the world, but you have to be with me.
	So you have to give up your podcast, everything you're doing and all the money you're making.
	And come come, I'll take care of you.
	But then she's just one day just like, yeah, like, I'm going to divorce you, whatever reason, whatever.
	Would you not feel kind of slighted?
	You'd be like, I had my own stuff.
	But then on the other side of it, it's like, that's your choice.
	So I'm kind of 50-50.
	I think nine years is a long time.
	But I also think if you've put your whole life aside for somebody to support them in their endeavors, which often happens in relationships, then I get it.
	Sure.
	For nine years?
	No.
	But I get it.
	Like two, three years after.
	Or perhaps.
	At a minimum, when the relationship's ended, if you've been the sole provider of all the finances of everything, just like a grace period when the relationship's over of supporting them to the point where they get financially stable enough to support everything themselves and then take it away versus like we were together for 25 years.
	Now I'm going to have to pay you every month a certain amount for the 25 years, even though we just split up for the rest of our lives.
	There are definitely a whole bunch of different scenarios that can either make it make more sense for there to be alimony.
	But in this case, I think that I think, yes, I'm not going to be super hard line where it's like, all right, you're a woman, you met young, you've been with the guy for 40 years, and then he dumps you.
	I think it'd be fair to say that there should be some component of ongoing support, perhaps not for the rest of the life, but for a period of time.
	But in this specific example, and even in this specific example, I'd be willing to grant perhaps a year of alimony would be warranted just to get somebody back on their feet.
	But I mean, like what nine years a decade's a long period of time.
	So what, like, you know?
	If I'm a kid, um, I mean, to me, uh, the way that I'm like hearing the whole alimony situation is it sounds like you were promised a certain lifestyle and you were promised a certain financial freedom or a certain dream or, you know, like home, family, whatever.
	And because that promise was broken, like, like during that promise, you were like, oh, I don't, I don't need to go do all these other things because I'm taken care of.
	But once that promise is broken, you were expectant of those things for the next coming years.
	Like, you were comfortable in the knowing that that would be your like future.
	And so if that future or that promise is broken or taken away, I understand, like, like you said, like a year of helping you get back on your feet, if like they were literally the only one paying the bills, if they're the breadwinners, all that.
	I would understand like helping them get back on their feet or helping them get into a safe place or position.
	But after that, I mean, I feel like it has to be up to the person to create their own future after that.
	I just thought it's something too.
	Okay, you don't, there is no abuse.
	You're not claiming any abuse in the relationship.
	You mentioned he left you.
	Can I ask why?
	Because if you like, say if you like cheated on the dude and then you're collecting cheating.
	Can I know why you guys, why he decided to end it?
	We weren't not, we're not a good fit for each other.
	Okay.
	We got married very, very young.
	I didn't know entirely who I was.
	I didn't know what I wanted.
	He didn't know what he wanted.
	There was an issue with kids.
	You know, in the beginning, he said he wanted kids.
	Then as it went on, it was like, nope, that's not really happening.
	He wasn't sure if he wanted kids anymore.
	So it just, it's one of those things where both of us were young when we got married.
	And because of the situation, you know, his career moved us around.
	So I moved around with him.
	And then when we split up, I pretty much was homeless.
	Like we were living in another, we were living in Hawaii.
	I don't have any friends there.
	I don't have any family there.
	I didn't hardly have anywhere to go.
	I had to go sleep on a friend's couch.
	I didn't have a car.
	I moved with two suitcases and a couple of boxes.
	And that was it.
	And I pretty much had to figure out how to get, you know, how to work on getting my life back together.
	And so.
	But why is it taken, like, what's your educational background?
	Because it's been nine years.
	I don't have a whole lot of education.
	Okay.
	And I've had some trouble with finding jobs that I like and I enjoy.
	And now that I have a job that I like that pays me decent money and stuff like that, I'm working on making it so that I don't have to get money from him.
	Well, she said she was 19 when she married him, so it wasn't like she had a whole lot of experience to even be comfortable after.
	Yeah, I don't hate you.
	I think the system is flawed, but I can agree with you.
	There's nothing wrong with you.
	I understand.
	But what is the difference, I guess, between let's say you were just dating somebody for this period of time.
	Do you think that there should be boyfriend or girlfriend alimony?
	If I was dating somebody, I would not expect them to pay for everything after having been in a marriage and things like that.
	I wouldn't give up anything.
	Right, but what, so all the actions that occurred in your relationship, you agree they could have happened in just a boyfriend, girlfriend?
	No, because I don't think it's necessarily great to spend years and years living with somebody and having sex with them if you're never going to get married.
	Sorry, can I just interject here?
	In Washington State, if you're with someone for longer than, I think, two years and you're living with them, it's considered a committed, intimate relationship, and it is actually treated in the seven years.
	I think it's eight months in Canada.
	It's two.
	It's actually a lot of fun.
	It used to be seven.
	So if you own a house with someone and you live with them, technically you can be given 50% of their assets, salary, everything.
	I'm allowed to say that as a member, as a member of the community.
	Are you on the spectrum?
	But one sec here.
	But again, you'd agree, though, that it's logically possible that somebody could be, and you know, assuming a state where there isn't common law marriage, somebody could be in this exact same situation where they've just been in a relationship, boyfriend, girlfriend with somebody.
	Do you think then that there should be a law passed that makes a boyfriend in a similar situation have to pay a girlfriend for nine years after they've broken up?
	It does work like that.
	It's whoever makes most money.
	Well, in common law marriage states, it does work out with this.
	No, but in California, if I was dating a girl for five years and we break up and I was taking care of everything during the course of the relationship, I break up, goodbye, it's over.
	Well, I think marriage is in the context of like a contract.
	You're actually signing something that goes up higher as far as what's taken seriously.
	There's compelling argumentation for why men, or at least the breadwinner, should not get married.
	Well, I have a question, though.
	Do you want a traditional woman?
	Do I want a traditional woman?
	Yeah, like if you're going to be with somebody long term, if you were looking at being with somebody for the rest of your life, would that woman be a traditional woman?
	Yeah, I know the argument you're about to make.
	You're like, well, Brian, you tend to prefer dating younger or not.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Younger, traditional women.
	I don't know why I brought it to age gap right away.
	I was including the age gap argument.
	I guess that was coming too.
	Brian, if you prefer to date a traditional woman, she's going to have an expectation of marriage.
	No, not necessarily that.
	Just if you, is that what you would want?
	If you were with somebody long term, would it be a traditional woman?
	Well, I believe being traditional to some degree is it's not completely binary.
	There's spectrum to being traditional or not.
	So in this case, while I do enjoy a bit more of a traditional dynamic in a relationship, I personally don't want to get married.
	So the woman that I'm going to be with is.
	Even if you're not married, though, are you going to be with the person that you would be with long term?
	Is it more of a traditional woman?
	Do you mean like is she making money or no money?
	Like, would you prefer somebody who stays home, cooks for you, takes care of the house, does all of those things?
	Is that what you're doing?
	Yeah, I would say that would be a leaning preference towards that.
	So the reason that you have alimony is because in the past, there were people who would be married for 20, 30, 40 years, and the woman has never had a career, has never had a job.
	She has been a homemaker.
	Yeah, but this is in the 1960s.
	No, I know.
	But my point is: if you want a traditional woman, and if you find that traditional woman and you're with her for 15 years and she's doing nothing to further her career and her status at making money, she's not gaining any skills because she's taking care of the house.
	The only job you can get with house taking care of skills is being a house cleaner.
	That doesn't pay you great.
	Yeah, but hold on.
	So if you're with her for 15, 20 years, and then if you're- Let's use your example, nine years, but go ahead.
	Either way.
	Well, also, but when you're with some.
	This is a bit of a technicality.
	Can I finish this?
	Go ahead.
	So if you're with somebody for 15 or 20 years and then they get a divorce, there was a lot of women in the past that could not support themselves.
	They had nothing.
	They had no job to go get.
	They hadn't built any of that.
	I'm not saying it's that way now, but if you want a traditional woman, what you are asking a woman to do is to forego gaining skills that would make her a lot of money in the future.
	Sure, question for you.
	Are you currently in school right now?
	No.
	Okay, so are you pursuing a career where your skills are leveling up or whatever?
	Yes.
	And during the course of your marriage, were you working at all?
	A little bit.
	Oh, you were working, so you were...
	Not a lot, though.
	It was here and there.
	sometimes yeah but part of it was were you moving around a lot or Every few years.
	So I think it's safe to assume the military.
	Yeah, I was just going to say, I think that's probably safe to assume that.
	We have a lot of policies with divorce, too.
	Yeah, so let me ask you.
	So right now, you're not pursuing advancement in terms of your education.
	So if you and me were to get married and we were together for 10 years, you could just pick right back up where you left off.
	No.
	Not necessarily.
	That's not how it works.
	You clean boats.
	With that job, yes.
	But go back to cleaning boats.
	It took me a long time to even get a job when I was looking for jobs because I didn't have to.
	But wait.
	Yes, sometimes it takes time to.
	Brian, you're not considering something when you have, and like not saying anything about you again, but age is a factor.
	As you get older, whether you're a man or a woman, the higher your age is, the less likely to get hired.
	So I see it.
	It's not.
	I hear what you're saying.
	I'm not saying you're wrong.
	But I'm just saying.
	Yeah, but that's not like leveling up to the career that you're talking about, though.
	So it's a double-explanation.
	I'm not going to award living in today's society on that money.
	Okay, but again, but I think we're diminishing the degree to which, yes, there's perhaps lack of career advancement, but I see it as a windfall where women are subsidized for five, ten, fifteen, twenty years of your life where you don't have to, you don't have any, in her case, she didn't have expenses.
	He paid for her stuff.
	He paid for food, rent, everything.
	So I view that as that's a windfall.
	Sorry.
	Dave asked a really quick question.
	You said that you wanted children, he did in the beginning, and then he changed his mind.
	Yes.
	I'm sorry, was that part of the divorce?
	And do you feel like your payments after the alimony is sort of to make up for not having children?
	Because you gave so much of your life for fertility.
	No, that's awful.
	It's a payment for that.
	That's awful.
	So is the alimony that he's giving her now to make up for kind of dragging her life?
	That was never there?
	You shouldn't be paying for the idea of a child.
	That's crazy.
	But, you know, think about how women do have a time limit for children.
	No, no, we don't.
	I mean, we can't do that.
	No, it's not logical to change.
	But I don't know.
	It's 100% you have a time limit.
	Yeah.
	So I was just saying if that was a good idea.
	Some people have more trouble with infra fertility or in making a baby, but a man should not pay for the promise or the idea of a baby.
	He didn't put one in you.
	You didn't make one together.
	That's crazy.
	But when they first got together and they got married, he did say he wanted it and then changed his children.
	And then they both changed as people as they grew and aged together.
	She didn't change her mind.
	Wait, in addition to alimony, was there community property division?
	Hold on.
	We don't really have a ton of items.
	You know, we never bought a house or anything.
	There wasn't really any big financial items to split.
	But in addition to the ongoing monthly alimony he pays you, was there like a one-time payment that he had to like a because I don't know if it's called community property or and that would include like funds or whatever earned during the year.
	Usually if both people have paid into something, so that usually has to do with like a house or a car that both people have paid into.
	Then when you split up, whoever's keeping that thing has to pay out the other person.
	Pull it up, Nick.
	Just I wanted to look into this.
	Scroll down.
	Interesting.
	Scroll down.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	All right.
	Wait, Back up.
	Okay.
	Just scroll up a little bit more.
	Summary of maintenance norms.
	Practitioners often say judges award alimony for a time period equal to about 25% of the marriage's length.
	This is for Washington State.
	Perhaps the best one-sentence summary, blah, blah, blah.
	Short marriage, zero to five or zero to three years of marriage.
	Maintenance of enough to help meet the lesser earning spouse's basic everyday needs for a few months while he or she gets back on his or her feet financially.
	Mid-length marriage, so 5 to 25 or 3 to 20 years of marriage.
	Maintenance to the lesser earning spouse for 20 to 33% of the length of the marriage.
	The initial monthly amount might be enough to equal, wait, 20 to 33%.
	So he should have only been paying alimony for like a year and three years.
	It's 20 to 30% of what he earns for the length of the marriage.
	three percent of the length of the marriage so he should have been so if it was a 10-year marriage it would have been like three years yeah Yeah, yeah.
	Two to three years.
	The initial monthly amount might not.
	Okay.
	And then long-term marriage, maintenance of enough to equalize the party's economic positions for many years, if not for life.
	But also, although I assume the judges have some discretion as to whatever.
	Can I ask you a question?
	And you may not like it, and I don't mean it in like a rude way whatsoever.
	A lot of people know this about me, but some of them don't.
	I actually pay child support myself.
	I have 50-50 custody of my kids.
	Great mom, but for some reason, I pay $3,000 a month.
	So I feel particularly bitter about that because he has full capability to work.
	I have my kids 50% of the time.
	But I feel like in his situation, if you give somebody a fish every single day and they don't have to teach themselves how to catch one, they're just going to keep taking your fish.
	Do you feel like, no disrespect, but do you feel like that might be a part of the situation here where you're just like, well, the government's saying I can get it, so I'm just going to take it.
	Because even by your own admission, you say it's not very much.
	So when you say that, I don't know, I think maybe like 80 to 100 bucks a month.
	It's a little bit more than that, but it's not a ton.
	Right.
	So if it's not necessarily making an impact or a difference, why continue to take it?
	I'm still working on getting my financial stuff sorted out with like how I'm going to pay for insurance and different things like that.
	I live in a very, very, very expensive area.
	So how long have you guys been divorced again?
	I don't remember the exact date.
	Like how many years?
	Probably five or six.
	Grong about five or six years?
	Five or six years.
	No, but they've been separated.
	They've been separated for a year.
	If I may relate to your situation, obviously I wasn't married and I didn't have kids, but I did spend around 10 years being around the same person and six years of it thinking that we were going to get married and start a family.
	We owned a business together.
	We traveled and ran our business together.
	We lived in a home together.
	We had a dog, all this stuff.
	But when we broke up, we broke up.
	We split our stuff and split whatever we had of the business, decided to just kind of get rid of the business and run our separate own things.
	But I gave up a lot.
	But the entire time, sorry, the entire time, we were half and half.
	Like we were both paying bills.
	We were both working our asses off to make sure that we could support our lifestyle and support ourselves.
	And when we broke up, I wasn't expecting him to continue to take care of me because we took care of ourselves and each other.
	It was nearish the same amount of time as obviously it's not comparable, but it is similar.
	I literally moved across the country.
	I moved from Charleston, South Carolina to Las Vegas, and I restarted my entire life.
	I've done that multiple times.
	But even when I was in Charleston, I was working every odd job I could.
	I had three jobs.
	I had my own business.
	I was running an art business.
	Like, I was making sure that I was educated enough to get any job that would support me and keep me safe that I could.
	So, like, not to be rude, but I don't understand how you could not be wanting to get back on yourself.
	Not that you're not wanting to get back to school.
	I do.
	I am trying to do that.
	After such a long time, there are assistance programs.
	I work more than 40 hours a week at my job.
	I work my ass off.
	I'm not saying that you don't.
	And I'm trying to do that.
	But I'm saying there are assistance programs that could help you even just formulate a better plan.
	Do you want to go back to school?
	No, I'm not a school person.
	Like a certificate of any kind?
	I don't do great in school, so that's not really an option.
	I don't want to go spend money on something that I'm going to have a hard time completing.
	Sometimes nowadays you just need to get a certificate, and then that opens up more doors to me.
	Honestly, I like my job.
	I enjoy my job.
	Your job sounds like it's a very good job that you can count on, which is what you need.
	It doesn't pay me the best.
	And where I live at, you, you know, statistics show that for a single person to fully live on their own in Seattle, they need to make at least $90,000, if not more than that.
	May I ask?
	Sorry, continue.
	There's very few jobs that pay you that amount of money.
	So when you have certificates or like other skills that you can actually monetize, and that might be where you find yourself stuck, if that makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Why have you decided to live in such an affluent neighborhood?
	Why have you decided to afford yourself this lifestyle that you can't?
	I don't.
	I don't live a lifestyle beyond my means.
	I live with family, you know, and I'm trying to get back on my feet.
	I've had to get a car when I split up with him.
	I've had a bunch of other stuff.
	I'm not trying to.
	I just feel like you're trying to put a label on something that you weren't there for nine years of.
	So I'm not saying that she's not going to be able to do that.
	I mean, I'm definitely holding on.
	None of you guys know what happened during our relationship.
	And none of you guys know what happened after that relationship.
	Obviously not.
	I just for several years after it, I was almost homeless.
	I was sleeping on couches.
	I slept on an air mattress in my brother's floor for a year.
	I watched multiple things with that.
	So I have been working on getting on my feet.
	And when it comes down to it, I could have gotten more money from him than I've gotten.
	Why?
	Because of what he does for work.
	But why does that have anything to do with you?
	It has literally nothing to do with you.
	I know that.
	That's my point.
	Why do you have any, even a sliver of sympathy for a guy who he broke up with his girl?
	It ended.
	I was worried about two of them.
	Fucking six, seven, eight, nine years later, he's like, oh, I've been struggling financially and I was homeless for a period of time.
	And he's trying to put the blame on that on the ex-girlfriend or the ex-wife.
	I'm not blaming him to live more life like that.
	No, but y'all want to sympathize with her situation.
	But I guarantee you if the roles were reversed and it was some dude saying, well, I was struggling financially and I was homeless and did the, you'd be like, who the fuck is this broken fucking case?
	I don't even think you were listening because she was not defending herself.
	Is there not a difference between men and women, though?
	Well, I mean, she's capable of being aware of.
	Well, we can actually capitalize on a situation like this.
	I think that's what makes men and women different.
	Because like Brian said, we would be like, what the fuck, bro?
	factors there's a lot of factors to this that you guys are not paying attention to which is why do i need to we're talking about Because this is a discussion.
	We're talking about the base factors.
	What you're seeing is the base relationship, right?
	No, I'm saying scientifically, the women's prefrontal cortex does not mature until you're 25.
	She was 19 when she was talking about her.
	I didn't interrupt you, but you didn't interrupt me if you.
	I think the prefrontal cortex stuff is like kind of bullshit, but it would apply to both men and women.
	Do you have a doctor?
	I actually stood on the brain.
	So are you the one to tell you that you do emotionally mature at the age of 25?
	Men emotionally mature in between the age of 36 and 38.
	However, it doesn't mean you're not before this.
	This is the point.
	It's a tough line, right?
	Because nobody wants to look at you and be like, you know, you're a piece of shit.
	You're wrong.
	I'm lazy.
	Nobody wants to be afraid.
	I'm not saying I've been perfect either.
	Right.
	But the point is, is that matter of fact, Brian, you made a great point.
	If a man was to sit here and be like, well, I made this choice, then we would look at him and be like, okay, that was your choice.
	At the end of the day, the reality is, in my opinion, no woman should be getting in, or man, should be getting into a relationship where you are 100% depending on that person.
	The whole idea of I want to support that person.
	That's what a marriage is.
	No, because you interrupted me.
	She's interrupting me.
	I didn't interrupt you at all, actually.
	Both of you have, and I'm not going to try to interrupt you, but I'm sure.
	I'm assuming that you are talking about all these factors that may just apply to you.
	You don't know what I'm talking about because I didn't finish.
	Yeah, I haven't been able to finish a single sentence.
	Go ahead.
	I'd love to hear you.
	Thank you.
	What I'm saying is she got married at 19.
	So she's not even emotionally mature.
	He's not emotionally mature.
	I'm not defending her, but I wasn't even getting to that point because both of you just talk over everybody.
	But the point being is that she got into this marriage expecting to stay with him forever because that's a commitment you make.
	Right.
	And you guys are trying to just like narrow it down to this label on her and blaming her for everything when you don't even know him or have talked to him, but yet we're so quick to defend him.
	I don't believe that.
	No, we're not defending him.
	We don't know him at all.
	I actually started by saying not to judge you, put you down.
	I don't know.
	But you can say that, but it's what you're doing.
	Sure.
	You could say you're not.
	Maybe if you're small-minded, sure.
	But if you let me finish, let me know when I can speak.
	Am I good?
	Go ahead.
	Okay, thank you.
	We don't know everybody's situation, right?
	I'd never want to sit here and judge you.
	I don't know you from a hole in the wall.
	And you seem incredibly sweet.
	I kind of like you.
	I appreciate you.
	At the end of the day, the reality is we are responsible for our choices.
	I had a baby at 19.
	I was in an extremely abusive relationship.
	I had no education.
	I came from social services.
	I didn't have parents.
	I was born in an orphanage in Romania.
	Zero.
	All the cards stacked against me.
	When the abuse got bad, when I had my daughter, I left, okay?
	And I haven't taken one penny of child support from him.
	Argument could say maybe I deserve it, right?
	I fled.
	I was homeless.
	I had a baby strapped to my chest going to a train station at 2 a.m.
	Unfair.
	But the reality is, is that you have to take responsibility for your own life at some sort of time.
	And my point is, is that you can't go back.
	That's why I'm not going to judge you.
	I don't know your situation.
	But what I would say is to any men and any woman, do not put yourself in a situation where you are going to be financially dependent solely on somebody else because you're going to get fucked over.
	Sometimes you will, sometimes you won't, okay?
	But that's just the reality.
	You're going to get judged sometimes and you're going to have conversations like this.
	You can't go back, but I'm sure if you could, you probably would have done it different, correct?
	Oh, yes, I would have done a lot of things very differently.
	Right.
	But it's just not the argument of like, well, you know, I made this choice and I left when I was 19.
	That's awful.
	And I sympathize with you there, but it's not his responsibility for the rest of your life until you get back on your feet to pay you for that.
	I don't, that makes no sense.
	And if a man were sitting here and saying the exact same thing, I'd probably be harsher with him and be like, you're a fucking loser because women were not taught to be rude to each other like that.
	And I don't think you're a loser.
	Thank you.
	Probably because you're a woman and I have some sort of like bias there.
	But if it was the man sitting here, yeah, I'd be like, what's wrong with you?
	Get your shit together.
	It's not her responsibility.
	So one thing about that when you say people should not be dependent on anybody else, you run into some problems there with, like, I personally think that a big problem with our society is that you don't have mothers raising their own children.
	And for mothers to raise their own children generally, it makes it very hard for them to have a career.
	You didn't have kids.
	What?
	No, I'm not talking about me specifically.
	It doesn't have any moms.
	I'm not talking about me specifically.
	I'm saying when you say that nobody should ever be dependent on anybody, for mothers to raise their kids, they need to be dependent on their own.
	So don't be financially dependent solely.
	Have an education.
	You can be a stay-at-home mom.
	That's fine.
	Do you have an education?
	Do you have something put aside?
	Do you have some family that's going to support you after?
	Some people don't.
	I didn't.
	If I may add to what you said, I believe I can make it a smaller statement.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	So moving this on.
	Anyways, so I lost it.
	So I am engaged.
	Yeah, really quick.
	Why don't you tell us your relationship status?
	But I do want to finish off a couple things on that.
	So relationship status.
	You're engaged.
	How long have you been together with your fiancé?
	Coming up to about two years.
	Two years?
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	Three and a half years.
	Three and a half.
	Got it.
	And you said you had two kids, one kid?
	I have two.
	Two kids.
	Gotcha.
	Separate dads, right?
	Or two?
	Okay, gotcha.
	And is one of the kids with your current fiancé?
	No.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Are you planning on having more kids?
	No, tubes are getting tied.
	Tuesday tied.
	All done.
	All done.
	Does your fiancé, does he have kids?
	He does.
	I have a stepson.
	He's tired of it.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Really quick, just going back to the marriage thing, then we'll move on to some other topics.
	I guess my thing here, let's say I was 19 and I, not that I really have any interest in dating women who do OnlyFans or anything like this.
	Let's say I was gone to a relationship with an OF girl.
	Most 18, 19, 20-year-old men, don't have the capacity to make a lot of money.
	Let's say I was dating this OF girl and we got married and she went on to make like multi-multi-millions of dollars a year.
	We were together for I don't know, five, ten years, whatever.
	From your guys' perspective, do you think it'd be fair that 10 years later I'm still being paid alimony by her?
	Like imagine you, you were dating a guy who, like, you're the primary breadwinner and you were significantly out earning him.
	How would you feel about having to pay a dude who you haven't dealt with in a decade?
	You'd be okay with that.
	I've always been the breadwinner in all of my relationships.
	I'm actually quite used to that.
	During the course of your relationships.
	Now, imagine all those relationships.
	All these dudes who fucking cheated on you, whatever the fuck it was, treated you badly, whatever it is.
	You had to pay them money afterwards for years.
	You'd be cool with that.
	I'd be fucking pissed.
	Yeah, I wouldn't like that.
	Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that I'm not cool with it.
	I don't like us trying to put labels or degrade people when we don't even know their situation when we weren't there for the nine years of it.
	So we have no idea what we're talking about.
	I hope you don't feel degraded.
	But yeah, it's not that you're not an amazing person.
	And also, it doesn't necessarily matter how I feel because we're going to have lawmakers who put it up anyway.
	The reality is that men are falling behind in education.
	They're falling behind in their careers.
	Women are actually starting to get paid more.
	There's OnlyFans.
	There's all of this stuff.
	So you mark my words.
	In the next 10, 20 years, when women are out earning men, you're going to see things like child support and alimony.
	They're going to be capped.
	They're going to be like, no more because ain't no way women are going to be paying men that they no longer date.
	It's such a double standard.
	We're not going to fucking do it.
	So it's like the moment we get paid, it's fine.
	But the moment we're going to have to pay men, oh, you're going to see an uproar.
	But like at that point, if you're going to invest into your education and have money on the standby and have a supportive family, like why even get married then?
	Like, why not just stay single?
	Because you're already building your own fortress in case you find somebody you want to be with.
	Love and connection.
	That's right.
	I think marriage is a business also.
	You definitely have to be strategic with who you're going to say your vows in front of God.
	Like that's who you should be investing in.
	And that means taking time and get to know someone.
	It's a mental thing too.
	Like some people just aren't ready for that when you guys are meeting and that's why you might outgrow somebody at the same time.
	But marriage is not just about love.
	It's a business.
	What can this person add to not only your life, but the people who you plan to have kids or who plan to come after you, right?
	Like love is cool and all, but it doesn't necessarily pay the bills.
	I feel like a lot of people take marriage very loosey-goosey.
	Like, right?
	Like they don't, they don't think nowadays.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like a lot of girls just dream of the ring and the marriage and all that and they don't think about like the boring parts right the hard parts.
	What happens when you're not as excited about it or if you're not having sex all the time and when you're not going on dates all the time?
	Like are you still gonna want to be with that person if he's like partying and shitting over there?
	Like, you actually like this person?
	You know, you gotta think about that too, because taking vows in front of God is not supposed to be taken lightly.
	It's not supposed to end in force of your life.
	I'm gonna address this easily.
	For her situation, you heard for Kates.
	You guys heard the circumstances.
	You heard the details.
	They met at what 19?
	You haven't heard all of them because I'm not sharing everything.
	That's a long time to cover.
	But we know the material details.
	You didn't have kids.
	You weren't on your way to becoming some investment banker on Wall Street.
	You understanding?
	You weren't even, were you in college at the time?
	I went to school for shortly while I was with him, but I didn't finish it.
	Okay, but was that a choice that you made?
	Like, could you have continued?
	It's possible, plausible.
	He would have even paid for your college, possibly, but I don't know.
	No, he wouldn't have done that.
	Okay, well, he didn't.
	You made a choice to be with him.
	So we do know, though, that you don't have any kids.
	So given that, she was with the guy for nine years.
	Does it make sense to you that nine years after the end of their relationship, he's still paying her money?
	Does it make sense to you?
	Show of hands.
	Do you think it should be the case that he should be paying her money?
	Show of hands.
	Yes?
	I think he should pay the money, but like not for nine years.
	No, you don't.
	So just to be clear.
	I've been through this too long.
	You think it's wrong that he's paying, like, he shouldn't have to.
	Yeah, I never even got to make my full argument.
	That was why I like why you were with me.
	Would you like to tell somebody something now?
	Like, see, I'm just rather not.
	I'm asking, would you like to say something about that?
	Bro, I'm asking you now.
	No, I know, I know, but I'm saying I wasn't even talking about the alimony.
	I wasn't concerned with the alimony.
	That's literally the topic of the conversation.
	But you are saying, like, you want a traditional woman, but then she's also.
	She doesn't have to do anything.
	Because if she's, if she wants to do that, she loves a red herring.
	Back to the actual topic that's being discussed.
	I'm asking you a question about her specific situation.
	If you think, or you can even copy and paste it into some other situation where a guy was with married to a woman for a period of nine years, and then a decade later, is it fair that he's still paying her alimony?
	Yes or no?
	No, I don't for that time frame.
	No, I don't think thank you.
	Okay, what about you?
	No, I don't think so.
	Especially not this day and age.
	I think the only time that that made sense was like what we discussed, what everybody was discussing earlier, when you were in a time period where you couldn't, like where we were in a time period where you couldn't have your own bank account, you couldn't buy your own car, you couldn't buy your own home.
	You know, we're not in that era.
	We haven't been in a very, very long time.
	Also, coming from somebody who was raised by two married lesbians from the 90s, it was never a male-female heteronormal heteronormative relationship.
	And that's just not always the case in the world.
	So, right now, especially when it comes down to alimony and bad things happening after divorce, it pretty much comes down to, like you were speaking before, how much child support you have to pay.
	It comes down to who's the main breadwinner, and that's who ends up having to pay more money when you guys split at the end.
	So I don't think it's clear.
	Nobody's on board with the alimony.
	No, I never was.
	Like I said, if you didn't make your own money, why should anybody have to pay you once you split?
	Like that.
	So how many years you got left?
	A couple years?
	Yeah, a couple years.
	It's complicated.
	Is that like, so is it?
	Is that like surprising?
	I don't understand it.
	I do not know.
	I honestly, I don't like to talk about it because I don't want to drag him into anything with any of it.
	Thank you for talking about it thus far.
	It's been very educational.
	I, you know, I don't necessarily think it's fair that he pays me.
	That's why I am trying to get to a point where he doesn't have to pay me.
	And I've been working on getting to where he pays me less and less over time.
	He's not paying me as much as he was to begin with.
	And from the beginning, he's never paid me as much as he would have.
	I could have gotten more from him.
	So to say her question again, why is it even worth it to go through it?
	Because I still do need some help with it.
	Okay.
	But it's not, you know, he's not paying me $2,000 a month.
	He's never paid me that much a month.
	I mean, listen, there's literally nothing wrong with having a little bit of help, especially from somebody that once loved you.
	But I do believe that.
	I don't think forced by a court, right?
	Yeah, I don't think forced by a court helped.
	If he was voluntarily doing it, if like y'all broke up and he was like, hey, I'll help you get into a place.
	That's different than being like, you have to pay me this money through the court system.
	And I haven't had to force him to do it.
	But I understand needing a little bit of help, especially after you've been dependent on somebody.
	But I've always been raised up to like pull your bootstraps up.
	Like, same.
	Like, see.
	It's been nine years.
	Fake.
	Like, fake it like you can.
	Fake it till you like it.
	And then cry whenever you're stuck type thing.
	I don't even think my girlfriend from nine years ago even remembers my name.
	That's a lot different than a marriage, though.
	Brian's an easy name to remember.
	No, I mean, I don't remember a couple people.
	Imagine I fight a few years ago.
	Hey, Becky.
	Can you give me some money?
	I don't know.
	Anyways, all right.
	We have some chats here.
	We have Hiller, Michigan.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Brian, her ex is 100% military.
	He got out of the marriage at nine years, so he didn't have to share half his retirement.
	He didn't get out at nine years.
	It took a while for it to fall.
	That's the thing, is I guess he there were some delays or something, so it went over the 10-year threshold or whatever.
	But Hiller, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Metro Matt, chair seven, nine years to get your finances figured out.
	That's a scam.
	Also, quit the cope and get over it.
	Alimony is capped typically at a few years.
	So I'm calling Cap on this situation.
	Stop the cap.
	I don't know.
	He says Metro Matt says there's cap going on.
	We don't know all the details, though.
	A lot of these court cases are very fact-specific, jurisdiction-specific.
	But thank you.
	Did you want to respond to any of those?
	No, I'm okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Okay, so we have a couple things to get through.
	First thing, we're going to get into the Crash Out Kylie update stuff.
	So, all right, guys.
	Holy shit.
	I'll give you guys some background.
	So, Nick, first, can you just open up a open up a whatever tab on YouTube just so we can show the debate?
	You're fine.
	You're fine.
	So it was May 17th.
	I hosted a debate between Andrew Wilson and a lady named Kylie Brewer.
	You got it?
	You're going to have to probably pause the audio.
	And then just, it's the main, just the front page of youtube.com/slash whatever.
	We're just going to look at the thumbnail, okay?
	It's just youtube.com slash whatever.
	That's it.
	Do you think you're going to lose?
	No.
	What's the lawsuit?
	I know how much money is she suing you for.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Is this your first lawsuit?
	We'll get all the tea.
	I guess we'll have a seat.
	Okay, here, make it bigger, please.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.
	Okay.
	The one with the green.
	You don't have to click on anything.
	We're here.
	So two months ago, you see that girl with the green hair.
	That is Crash Out Kylie.
	She did a debate with Andrew Wilson.
	Very highly viewed episode.
	750,000 views.
	So if you want to watch the video, by the way, guys, that debate is quite interesting.
	But that's the video in question.
	Now pull up the Discord, please.
	So here's the genesis of everything.
	So actually, wait, before we pull up the Discord, I'll do a little bit of background.
	So in mid-March, I reached out to Kylie.
	I'd seen some of her TikToks on her TikToks.
	She is a feminist, anti-racist, queer, leftist, all of the buzzwords that they like to use.
	Hide this while I'm telling the story, please.
	TikTok creator.
	She does a bunch of that shit.
	Invited her to come to a debate.
	My opening message to her was like, hey, hope you're doing well.
	We'd like to invite you to do a debate on feminism.
	Over the course of about two months, we are scheduling it, discussing it, sign a formal contract May 2nd of 2025.
	And then May 17th is the day that we have the debate with her.
	And then two days leading up to that, Andrew had a debate with a male feminist and then another male feminist, Oliver.
	So he did two separate live debates that were available for viewing on the whatever channel leading up to her specific appearance.
	And that's important because it will, there'll be context as I explain it further.
	Go ahead and pull up the Discord.
	So we do the debate.
	And you know what?
	Actually, go to the video.
	Sorry, go back to, no, no, no.
	Go back to the YouTube page.
	My bad.
	I'm giving you mixed instructions here.
	Go back to the YouTube page.
	Go ahead and click on the debate.
	Just click it without for now.
	Oh, this works.
	All right, so pause it.
	Just pause right there.
	All right.
	Use the arrow keys to scrub backwards.
	Go full screen.
	Yeah, go full screen.
	Okay.
	Scrub backwards for me.
	All right.
	Scratch this one, yeah.
	Scrub forward.
	He looks like Tom Sugora with more hair.
	Scrub, scrub.
	Go back like 20 seconds.
	We're going to get audio ready.
	All right.
	Video tab.
	Okay.
	Go ahead and play it.
	Oh.
	Ah, shit.
	Okay.
	Just find the same spot.
	In any case, she was completely obnoxious during the thing, and she ended up walking off multiple times during the debate, eventually leaving the debate early.
	And the most notable thing.
	Yeah, okay.
	Play it.
	We might scrub back, but play it.
	And then, are women as a group oppressed in the U.S.?
	I think it's possible, but I really need to leave.
	May I just at least, can you stay for Andrew's clothes?
	No, I don't.
	Look, we're not kidnapping you.
	We're just asking you.
	You're not going to be up.
	You said you could stay five minutes.
	Come on.
	I'm leaving.
	All right, that's pretty much it.
	You can pause it there.
	There's a couple other clips in there that are important, but the main thing, though, is that at some point when she had gotten up during one of her leaves, she had stated when she came back to the table that someone had contacted her and offered her money to leave the show early.
	And the component of this for some of these 1v1 debates will help people out with some of the travel, just because sometimes for debates, it's very difficult to get opposition to agree to do the debates.
	So we offered to help her out with some of the flight and hotel.
	So go ahead, pull up the Discord now.
	So this is from shortly after the debate.
	I think a week or two after the debate.
	Why don't we play that video?
	So put it full screen.
	Oh, the one we're shot six shows.
	We're going to go video tab, okay?
	Full screen on the video?
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, it's just a picture.
	Okay, that's not the same.
	Not the trauma.
	So, so, yeah, go back to window.
	Go back to window tab.
	I didn't even know it was a thing.
	So she says, I had a traumatic experience 10 days ago, which was stressful and led to insomnia.
	This combined with being sick led me to develop Bell's palsy, which is partial paralysis on the left side of the face.
	This girl went to the dentist.
	What she's referring to 10 days ago, she's referencing the debate that she had with Andrew Wilson, which is the traumatic experience that she is alluding to.
	X out of that, then we're going to get into the other ones.
	Scroll down.
	Just give you guys a chance.
	Can I let you know, Brian, this has been a very traumatic experience for me.
	I feel traumatized.
	I'm very traumatized.
	And I'm definitely going to have insomnia now for several weeks.
	All right.
	So there's a bunch of details, but why don't we just play the video?
	So click that video.
	Video tab on this.
	Okay.
	Wait, pause, pause, pause.
	Go full screen first.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Oh, stop it.
	No way.
	What?
	Wait, pause, pause, pause.
	And I know that.
	Is there an audio thing in the Discord?
	What?
	Play it for just a few seconds.
	Misogyny has always been really miserable.
	This is really low.
	Hold on.
	Pull up the tweet.
	Let me see if the tweets are louder.
	Go the tweet one instead.
	Sorry, guys.
	I don't know why the Discord audio on that's super low.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Pull video, please.
	Pull the video.
	Did she get my job?
	She's playing.
	Okay.
	Full screen it started from the beginning.
	Let's see if it's louder.
	Oh my god, this sign that I'm thinking about giving up.
	Misogyny has always been really bad as a feminist content creator, but especially because I talk about international.
	Hold on, pause it really quick.
	Chat.
	Can you guys hear it?
	Okay, chat.
	It might be.
	It's a little hard on our end, but if the chat is hearing it, okay.
	We can read the subtitles.
	Yeah.
	There are subtitles.
	Chat, is the audio okay?
	Like, can you even hear?
	Go ahead, player.
	they can't escape that systems that uphold white supremacy and racism in the u.s which pisses off a number of uber racist white supremacists about six weeks ago i was misled by some She wasn't misled.
	Oh my god.
	The most traumatic experience of my life in front of me.
	Really?
	Oh, no.
	So I would prefer to not go into more details.
	Seemed fine.
	HA!
	There are hundreds of followers on to me to comment and spam report my account until it was removed on Instagram.
	They do the same thing.
	So my content has been such a fake.
	So I've become a target for them for self-dozen red pill people.
	So if you see this, if you could just let me know because I'm like really close.
	Not the first time.
	Okay, okay.
	I was lured.
	She made it sound like you guys told her she was going to a birthday party and having an orgy or like a dinner party, right?
	But it was a debate.
	I was lured by these men.
	I love them traumatized.
	She said it's the most traumatic.
	I watched it.
	You were completely respectful.
	I wish that was the most trauma I'd ever been through.
	You had a really easy life.
	I think it's worse.
	She put herself into work.
	Yeah, and just to just address a couple of her claims there, the fact she says she was misled.
	Keep in mind, we reached out to her March 28th.
	And then seven weeks later, she had her appearance May 17th.
	That's seven weeks to have done even the smallest amount of basic due diligence.
	So she had time to research the podcast.
	We messaged from the official whatever Instagram page.
	There, all of our podcasts are live, uncut, unedited.
	There's clips, everything.
	Nothing is hidden.
	And in addition to that, yeah, she had seven weeks.
	Also, we entered into a formal agreement two weeks prior to her actual appearance.
	She also falsely alleges that we sent our followers to harass, spam, report, or target her, which is entirely false.
	There's no evidence for it.
	We've never directed our audience to engage and held accountable.
	Yeah, and there's if a handful of people online even did this, there's no proof that there's any link to us.
	We deny that we would ever, we've had on thousands of guests.
	We've never directed anybody to harass any of our guests that have ever been on.
	Of course, it's called being on the internet.
	There are going to be people who see an episode or they could see her other dog shit content.
	There's a lot of subject matter there to criticize her on besides just her debate appearance against Andrew Wilson.
	She also kind of quite outrageously claims that it was the most traumatic experience of her life.
	I think if voluntarily participating on a podcast, somewhat contentious debate episode is the most traumatic experience of her life.
	I think she should probably consider herself remarkably fortunate that that's the most traumatic.
	If that's what I'm saying, no.
	Oh, no.
	It was her first time.
	Just one traumatizing.
	Just one time, yeah.
	Gotcha.
	So there's that.
	But in essence, she's a liar.
	She's just, it's all bullshit.
	But we have part two.
	She followed up with a secondary video.
	Does she fake crazy?
	Where she go ahead and play it.
	Does she fake crying?
	How many crocodiles here is?
	This is part two of my story of being harassed by incels.
	It has ruined my mental health.
	She's got to have the good lighting.
	I will not be naming names specifically because, again, I am scared of these people, but you can research the search.
	I was misled by these people and told that I was crazy.
	She cried.
	Wait, pause really quick.
	She cried for two days.
	Pause it.
	Pause it.
	Pause, She cried for two days after this.
	Then she woke up with her face blah, blah, blah, partially paralyzed.
	She was told there'd be a debate.
	Yeah, that's exactly what we told her.
	And not to be, not told that I'd be trapped in a room with two EGFs.
	Did you literally say we are not kidnapping you?
	You are free to leave?
	Speaking of which, I'm actually going to send – I have – so at two separate points before she actually leaves, she got up and did a rage quit.
	She literally got up from the table and exited through the front door two times.
	Well, three times, counting the time she finally did ultimately leave.
	So this idea, this claim that she was trapped, completely exaggerated.
	Crazy.
	Just typical feminist hyperbole.
	But pull it back up.
	We'll play the rest.
	Sure.
	jesus to california from chicago i was not and i have yet to receive any money i am out one thousand dollars from my appearance on this podcast and still every day i am harassed by their fans online telling me that i got owned When in reality, I was disrespected blatantly to my face and made to feel unsafe.
	These people were talking about harming women.
	They were drinking alcohol.
	I was sober.
	Generally, very uncomfortable.
	Please, crazy.
	Wait, quiet, quiet, quiet, guys.
	Please, quiet.
	Financial gain over my head because they kept trying to prolong my stay longer and longer under the conditions in the contract that they wouldn't pay me unless I stayed till the end.
	On the live stream, people would send in money and be like $10 to put a sock in her mouth, slap the bitch $20, and a bunch of other things.
	Obviously scared that they would take the money and harm me.
	But at the end, I don't think Brian needs $10 to slap somebody.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure if I can do it.
	Yeah, millions of years.
	There was no insinuation that she would have been physically harmed.
	Again, maybe I can even put, I might have to just post it to the Discord at some later point, but we do have security camera footage.
	We have security cameras throughout the whole studio.
	I can't believe you, Brian.
	She got up multiple times.
	She claimed she was trapped.
	She literally went to the front door, walked out to the front door, walked around, took the breather, came back, did that multiple times.
	As far as this $1,000 number, that's not the number that was stipulated in the contract.
	So I don't know why she's inflating her damages to $1,000 when the agreement stated it was $650.
	She does conveniently leave out that the formal contract and agreement that I had with her hinged on her full, keyword full participation in the live stream.
	Nick, if you go to Discord, there's a photo that you're going to pull up on that tab.
	That's called the contract.
	You can't just like lease the vehicle and then halfway through be like, yeah, you know what?
	I wanted standard.
	I was lied and tricked.
	Right?
	There was alcohol involved, too, guys.
	This girl does feminism stuff online, right?
	Up, up, maybe she needs to stop if a debate is traumatic.
	Yeah, don't put herself online to back up.
	Don't listen to any women's experiences.
	You will be traumatized.
	So, one of the comments on the TikTok she says, I'm in contact with someone amazing, but she's very expensive.
	I'm concerned about the financial aspects.
	So, she is renewing her legal threats here.
	Just wanted to point that out.
	We have a part three, and now part three is the most there's five parts in total so far, but we're only going to do part three, part four.
	So, part three, though, is the most, I think, offensive.
	And I think the women at the table will find this quite offensive.
	If she's suing, does she not realize that blasting it all over social media is harmful to her case?
	Oh, yeah, it probably is detrimental to her.
	I don't think she understands.
	I don't think.
	All right, let's play.
	Yeah, part three.
	So, before I go, I'm a fat immediately.
	So, she says she's responding to a comment.
	I guess somebody in a previous video said it's like digital essay.
	Okay.
	And then she says, Being on Red Pill Media felt like being essayed.
	Go ahead, play it.
	Exactly what going on this podcast felt like.
	It made me feel disrespected and used.
	In addition to them having me fly across the country and front the bill myself with the promise of paying me back, which they didn't, I made them so much money that they asked me to come back three times within 24 hours.
	False.
	And when I told them to pay me back, they sent me a threatening, abusive email.
	False.
	Not like a human being.
	Abusive email.
	I was harassed on the basis of being a woman.
	Told that I was stupid, talked over, talked down to.
	And I was made to cry two, three, four times.
	I went right to the back and just sobbed.
	I really tried to stay to the end because I wanted to be reimbursed for all the expenses, but I couldn't.
	I've done debate for nine years, so I know things could get heated.
	That wasn't debate.
	That was assault.
	I felt like I was sexually assaulted after the next day.
	I've been assaulted twice, and I woke up feeling that same sense of sadness and violation and emptiness.
	Are you joking?
	It's dispersing.
	This is, I can't believe the audacity to be like, the most traumatic thing I've ever been through was debating Andrew Wilson and then be like, I know exactly what it feels like to get sexually assaulted and this is it.
	Like, it's not audacity.
	It's delusion.
	And girl who's not giving feminism.
	That's what's confusing to me because at the end of the video, she says she'd been essayed actually twice, but then in her part one, it's the most traumatic thing.
	So I would assume that I mean, maybe the debate was particularly traumatic, but that seems a bit dubious.
	But to even compare it, it's an essay is a slap in the face to women who are actually victim, or anybody who's a victim of SA.
	It's despicable.
	Right, a crying wolf.
	Do you have any other further thoughts on that, Chloe?
	I mean, that's the most idiotic thing I've ever seen.
	I was going to say you should let me debate her, but I don't think she's coming back here.
	I'd love to have you debate her.
	That is insane.
	She needs to quit debating if it's traumatic.
	That's actually insanity.
	I love how easy it is for like, and all the people in the comments, like, oh, you poor soul, let me start you at GoFundMe.
	Like, if you're a woman, if you're like slightly made to be felt uncomfortable in a room with men, let alone more than one, it's just that's it.
	I'm essayed.
	I've been digitally essayed.
	Like, imagine that.
	That's insane, man.
	I want to know: did she not know how long the podcast was going to be when she flew across the country to come be on it?
	Oh, she knew.
	It's just her victim card.
	So there.
	She couldn't stay an extra 30 minutes.
	And then, and then I watched the video.
	She was claiming like, you know, like physical, some sort of like disability or something like that.
	And it's like, you know, you know that you have that.
	Why don't you plan to be why don't you plan to be where you're supposed to be for the allotted time?
	Something I haven't revealed in any of my posts on Twitter or in my Discord is the, I think it was the day before, it might have even been the day of.
	So our meet time for the debate was 3 p.m.
	She was like, can we delay the start of our debate so I can like watch my little sister's soccer game or something?
	What?
	Which is just, I mean, not a huge thing, but it was just kind of like a weird thing leading into it.
	It's just not your problem.
	Yeah, and there was a point where she's like, well, you guys, your communication wasn't good.
	I mean, the thing is, is that there might have been not a conversation about like the length of it, but that wouldn't necessarily reflect a miscommunication on our part.
	She could have asked what the length is.
	And I think otherwise you would have to, by default, assume the length of the debate is going to be the length of the other debates that they've had on the show, which all tend to be three to four hours of the debate.
	It sounds like she didn't research.
	She didn't research.
	She was debating.
	She didn't, nothing.
	She's like, if you look at Easy Yoel's YouTube for just a moment, you can tell that most of your live streams are very, very long.
	Yeah.
	So I expect to be here until midnight or later if we need to be.
	Also, we don't know her.
	We don't know her mental state before she came here.
	So I just think some people just feel like when they're feeling like they're losing or super uncomfortable, they just tend to kind of crash out that way.
	Like maybe she just crashed out.
	Totally crash out.
	Definitely crash out.
	Yeah, but putting two men's like reputations on the line just so you can victimize yourself, I think, is pretty easy to get.
	And then comparing it to irresponsible, actually.
	And then comparing it to sexual assault is like, yeah.
	Are you okay?
	Are you up to it?
	Being backed into a corner and debater conversation is literally not the same.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Being backed into a corner.
	Losing and arguing.
	Yeah.
	I don't think she'd even compare it if she had actually been essayed ever.
	Yeah.
	And then she says she was sexually assaulted with her tits out.
	So I'm like, does that matter?
	That was my thought too.
	I'm like, you know what I'm being violated, but your vibes are out.
	But she has a good life.
	Yeah.
	She's like, I feel.
	I'm glad you said that.
	Don't sexually assault me.
	But yeah, there's a lot of people.
	Please don't look.
	There's a lot of rewriting of what actually happened.
	What the truth is in her accounting of the whole situation.
	In addition to that, the first video she posted, the part one that we watched, it got like 1.2 million views.
	And yeah, all the comments were, and even on some of these follow-ups, which did not get as many views, but the comments are like overwhelmingly supportive, even though she's presented really no evidence.
	She's just saying this is the case, this is what happened.
	Super supportive.
	Oh my God, you should sue, blah, blah, blah.
	And so a lot of people have TikTok co-signing.
	Yeah, she ended up gaining something like 25,000 followers because of her whining and crying about this.
	But she did make the claim that the emails I sent her were abusive.
	Can you read those emails?
	Yeah, I'll pull it up.
	I would like to provide some information on that.
	The emails that I sent her were not out of the blue.
	They were, in fact, in response to her initiating and making legal threats.
	And they were certainly not abusive.
	They were measured and proportionate legal responses to her legal threats.
	Go ahead and pull up the Discord.
	You're going to pull up the statement that she made.
	Go ahead.
	No, Discord, Discord, Discord.
	Yeah, this one.
	You're going to have to.
	Can you make it bigger?
	You might have to pop it out.
	Yeah, you're going to have to pop it out.
	I can't read it.
	Actually, if you go to the, yeah, just pop it out.
	Do you know how to do it?
	One sec, guys, here.
	Okay, that's fine here.
	While you're doing that, Pop out both of them.
	Lucas, thank you, man.
	Chair 7.
	I hope my memory is not failing me, but last time you were, oh my God.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I'll read it later.
	She just got up.
	That's annoying.
	pen maker.
	I'm divorced and in WA State.
	Trust me, this woman is the, okay, never mind here.
	We'll come back.
	We'll come back to it.
	You got it?
	Okay, pull it up.
	All right, so this was a couple days after the couple days after the debate.
	Hi, Brian.
	Way to set me up.
	Per our agreement, send $650 to my Venmo immediately.
	If I don't hear from you by tomorrow, end of day, I will assume that you do not plan to honor our agreement, which felt like that was your plan all along.
	Couldn't be the furthest.
	This is my side note here.
	Couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth.
	We've had plenty of debates.
	You're welcome to ask any of the other people who we've had on for the debates, where we do offer some compensation.
	Neyma, Naima, Naima, Zina, a lot of these people, we've compensated them.
	We pay them pretty much immediately, like right after the show.
	This will be my only attempt.
	She continues, though, this will be my only attempt to collect.
	If I do not hear from you or you attempt to disparage my attempts to receive payment online, I'll be handling this, handing this matter over to my family attorney.
	She will then contact you this week.
	It's your choice, but with how unethical your business model is, I'd suggest that you take this as a gesture of courtesy to avoid future legal proceedings, to which I respond, can you explain how I set you up?
	She didn't, because I was confused how exactly we set her up.
	Also, during the show, you stated someone contacted you and offered you the payment for you to walk off and leave early.
	Since you did leave early, didn't you, in fact, receive this payment from third party?
	To which she disregards both of my questions and responds by saying, tomorrow's offer is off the table.
	Please do not continue to harass.
	I don't, I can't see how either of my messages were harassing, but do not contact me any further.
	I'm retaining ex-lawyer.
	Please direct all future correspondence to ex-lawyer's email.
	Her phone number blank.
	She will reach out.
	And then I say, please see my response to your baseless legal threats via email, to which I send an email if you can pull that up.
	All right, to Kylie.
	Ms. Brewer, in response to your baseless legal threats made via Instagram, your demand for $650 is categorically rejected.
	While there was an agreement regarding your full keyword full participation in the live stream, you materially breached that agreement through your conduct, repeatedly walking off during the broadcast, derailing the event with meta-conversation and other disruptive commentary, and ultimately leaving the show early.
	You demonstrably did not participate in good faith.
	More troubling is your own on-record statement during the live stream that someone contacted you and offered you money to walk off the show, which you ultimately did do at their behest.
	This admission raises serious questions about whether you entered into the agreement in good faith and whether third parties were involved in encouraging you to sabotage the production.
	If true, this directly implicates you in potential tortious interference.
	I go on to make more references to the tortious interference claim.
	Given your misconduct and baseless threat of legal action, I am also demanding that you cease your harassment and affirm immediately that you do not intend to pursue any legal claim or further demands related to this matter.
	Given that she gave us one day to rectify the legal situation, I thought it appropriate to give her about three hours.
	So you have until 5 p.m. Pacific today to do so.
	If you fail to do so, or if you or your cancel initiate any action, I will pursue counterclaims for breach of contract, torturous interference, and any other relief available under the law.
	We are confident our damages exceed yours.
	Best regards.
	Brian Askers, whatever podcast.
	Very abusive email.
	I wish I got abused.
	Abusive.
	Very abusive.
	What school she went to to get that certificate?
	You should sue her.
	You should counter sue her.
	Because if she has a family lawyer, that means they got money.
	Sue her.
	Could be.
	There are a lot of we'll play the final clip here if you can play the last one, part four.
	There's more.
	And this is the final one.
	So she also gave you an ultimatum and it was threatening.
	That was her message to you on Instagram.
	False allegations, hers tools.
	There was an ultimatum and threatening language.
	Yeah, but I would not take her message as abusive.
	But she's accusing you of doing what she's doing.
	Right, exactly.
	She's doing what she's accusing you of doing.
	I would say that my response was not quite as belligerent as hers was.
	And it was in response to hers.
	Professional.
	Yeah, you did a good job.
	I was like, chat, you covered your ass for sure.
	Well, how much is she suing you for?
	Is she suing you for $650 or $1,000?
	Yeah, she made more for lawyer.
	Boozer again.
	More predators.
	Wow.
	This is the final clip.
	More buzzwords.
	Oh, I see that.
	Kylie, I really need your help.
	Whatever you're doing.
	Wow.
	Watch this video, please.
	I need your support because I have become a red pill target.
	A couple months ago, I received a message on my Instagram account that has since been suspended because of mass false reporting by these people asking me to come on a podcast for a debate.
	They were incredibly kind, created a contract, and promised that they would pay me back for it.
	I did debate throughout my life, including at an Ivy League school.
	So I know that I can handle my own with guys and with also my boys.
	So I fly across the country.
	I show up only to be verbally degraded and verbally assaulted by their chat who kept pitching $10, $20, $30 to slap the bitch, put a sock in my mouth, all these other things.
	That being said, predators are good at what they do.
	So stop asking people why they showed up to things, why they wore this thing, why whatever.
	Because none of those things matter to the predator.
	They are good at making themselves seem very docile and gentle to lure you in.
	It's a trap.
	So if you're a woman, do not go on a podcast.
	Oh my God.
	Any network that has a mostly male audience.
	I don't care what they promise you or how much money they plan to ambush you.
	This is the most manipulative thing I've actually ever seen in my life.
	This girl has used multiple buzzwords and is just trying to ask for help immediately too.
	I mean, I need your help.
	They use attacks.
	They're predators.
	They add, like, what a disservice.
	How rude.
	This is why women have such a hard time already be taken seriously because like a woman will like go on and say, imagine how many people saw that.
	And then the next time they see a woman like actually asking for help, they're going to think back to that and be like, if you watch the actual podcast like stream on YouTube, like she's the one putting herself into a state of panic.
	They're being completely calm.
	They're being completely respectful.
	Like she says she want to leave.
	He's just like, hey, can you take five more minutes?
	But instead, like, how can you say that somebody being a little bit against how you live your life?
	A little bit abrasive causes you face paralysis.
	That girl went to the dentist and said, I have a cavity.
	I don't know where, but land block.
	Do it up.
	I need to look like I have to do that.
	Oh, my God.
	She looks like she's probably like 10x vaxed.
	So apparently, I'm pretty sure it's the vaccines that can actually cause that.
	But in a video game.
	What?
	In a video game.
	In a video game.
	In the real world.
	She's a professional victim.
	She's a liar.
	And she's the embodiment of everything that is wrong with feminism.
	And she's privileged.
	She went to an Ivy League school.
	Oh, yeah.
	She has 150 IQ.
	She said she had been debating for nine years, and she went to an Ivy League school, Brown.
	I think it was Brown University.
	Oh, Brown.
	This is incredible.
	That's what these Ivy League schools in the United States are.
	This is what you produce.
	Professional victims.
	Waiting for nine years to see.
	What class do I take for that?
	Well, especially if she feels emotionally sexually assaulted.
	Clearly, she did not debate after debating for nine years.
	Wow.
	I just want to find the part.
	There's a part where she comes back.
	She comes back from the table and she says that she makes the admission that somebody offered to pay her the money.
	So I'm going to, there's a timestamp that you can probably find.
	I'm going to look for it too.
	It is.
	Look at Boothie Officer.
	If you, Nick, put it on the video tab again.
	Oh, wait.
	Where's the time stamp?
	Wait, what?
	My goal is to make Pearl Davis rage quit like that.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's my goal.
	You think I can do it, Brian?
	Do you support that goal?
	Wait, hold on.
	I genuinely feel bad for her because she just didn't come prepared.
	I think that's what it was.
	She's very prepared.
	I think the Ivy League.
	Yeah, I don't think she was ready for that.
	Might have even planned to come and be offended.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You have to plan for that.
	I'm going to take them down.
	If you watch one video, you know what their temperaments are like.
	You know exactly how they talk to people.
	I don't think it was that.
	I think she thought she was prepared.
	And when she was faced with not actually being able to logically back up her beliefs, she had a hack.
	She got to build that.
	228.14.
	This really might have ruined her life.
	I deal with those every day.
	All right.
	Or maybe scrub it back like 10 seconds.
	228.10.
	Okay.
	Go ahead, play it.
	She just looks happy.
	The argument you're making then.
	Oh, dude.
	220.
	What was it?
	228.10.
	Go ahead.
	I've actually had someone offer to pay me because I'm assuming if I leave it early, you won't pay me.
	So, but I've had someone in my comments offer to pay me the amount that I was paid to be here.
	So I'm going to go because I, again, I have medical problems.
	I'm not feeling good.
	What if somebody does it our chat?
	She's acknowledging that she's breaking the contract.
	Yeah.
	And why does she need the money from you guys to pay for it if it was paid for by somebody else?
	She's trying to double dip.
	She's double dipping.
	Literally.
	Anyways, that's pretty much the update.
	If anything else, you know, happens, whatever.
	I'm considering, I don't know, chat, there's a lot of, there's a little defamation slander going on.
	Sue the shit out of her.
	Make an example out of her.
	If you're going to come on and make it like an idiot, do it at your own collection.
	I don't even, like, we haven't even talked about how it must feel for Andrew and Brian to be called themselves.
	Literally.
	I am trying to do it.
	Like, if anything, y'all have a trauma.
	You need reasonable.
	She's abusive.
	She abused me.
	I think it's Brian's reactionary abuse to Brian.
	Oh, yeah.
	Believe all Brian.
	I do need therapy.
	And to be involved.
	Every single week.
	By me.
	Fly Chloe.
	By Chloe.
	She should pay for your therapy afterwards.
	By the way, guys, use code whatever for Chloe's embalming services.
	20% off.
	Use code don't fuck it up, please.
	You got a pre-order.
	Kylie can get a 50% discount.
	So, anyways, that's pretty much the update.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	In one of her updates, she's like, we got to take them down.
	Wait, let me see if there's.
	Hold on, let me just double check.
	That's cool to ask.
	Did she dox you guys as well?
	Was she the one that doxed?
	Oh, here it is.
	She did.
	No, no, no.
	Nick, pull up the Discord.
	It's part four.
	It's the image from part four in the wall of whatever.
	This is just the last thing, then we'll move it back to the rest of the show.
	So, this is just the description for part four.
	Please help me get my story out there.
	These people are preying on young women, calling all journalists, men, blah, blah, blah.
	Please help me take these people down.
	I don't know.
	Chat, is this?
	Hold on, let me see.
	Is there insurrection?
	Is there a sound bite for them?
	I'm looking for a sound bite.
	I need some like some warpath.
	Yo, chat, this is the fucking warpath, boys.
	She wants to take us down.
	You know, maybe we got to just, I don't know, there's some slander.
	Because here's the thing, right?
	She's claiming we didn't pay her, which is technically true, but she's conveniently omitting that she breached the contract.
	She basically said to you guys, you don't have to pay me because someone else is paying me.
	I'm going to leave.
	She said, I'm going to leave.
	So it's like voiding your contract.
	Yeah.
	It does make sense.
	So, but then people who might come on the podcast, they see that.
	They're like, wow, they screw over their people.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	People who don't know you guys are like, wow, these predators.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	Crazy stuff.
	Y'all aren't always the nicest people in the world, but you're certainly not a predator.
	I mean, I definitely think there's some points where some language can be thrown around that seems abrasive, but it's always like in order to have a conversation.
	It's not just fake.
	You're not just picking out one person on the table and being like, we don't like you.
	We're going to make fun of you.
	I'm going to digitally sexually assault you today.
	Nine years of debating.
	You should be prepared for that.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I called the yes.
	I don't think she's been doing nine years of debating for me.
	I don't think Roma's ever been at faith.
	That's cat.
	Maybe.
	I definitely agree that she's never been through trauma.
	I thought it was the most traumatic thing that ever happened to her for sure.
	We have a message here from the dadvocate.
	Oh, Lauren, I love you, girl.
	Shout out to you.
	Thank you.
	Brian is being the ultimate brat tamer today.
	Shout out, Roma-based.
	Dadvocate, thank you very much for your message.
	Really?
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And is that the dadvocate?
	Yeah, she's another, she's a fellow men's rights advocate.
	She predominantly advocates for fathers and their rights.
	And she's just fantastic.
	You can't dislike her.
	If you dislike her, something's wrong with you.
	Hating me, I get it.
	But Lauren, come on.
	She's a sweetheart.
	Rock and roll.
	All right.
	We have, oh, Matt, he says, this is Sparta.
	Oh, yeah.
	Boom.
	Thank you, Matt.
	Appreciate it.
	Lucas writes, Chair seven.
	That's you, Kate.
	I hope my memory is not failing me, but last time you were full of piercings, I also remember providing you with some pointed, albeit a genuine critique, advising you to lose the Christmas ornaments from your face, given your search for a successful, traditional, masculine man.
	I commend your makeover.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for the backhanded compliment.
	Oh, Lucas, Roma was not a fan of your super chat.
	No, it's fine.
	It was just backhanded.
	Was it not?
	Am I tripping?
	Strangely good.
	Penmaker with the 100.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	I'm divorced and in Washington state.
	Trust me, this woman is the norm here.
	The child support laws are insane.
	I had to go to school full-time and work full-time all while having split custody just to use the GI bill to avoid a negative income.
	This straight state creates monsters from Penmaker.
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I agree with that.
	I think that when men get divorced, they typically suffer financially and socially.
	And when women get divorced, they get subsidized.
	And that needs to be fixed.
	Based on based in, yeah.
	All right.
	Let's get back into the actual show, though.
	Let's see.
	Okay, so we did everybody's relationship status.
	I was curious, so just show of hands, who here is currently single?
	Show of hands.
	Are you currently single?
	All right.
	When's the last time you had carnal knowledge?
	What?
	What?
	Are we counting no penetration?
	P in the V. Oh, my God.
	All right.
	You were talking about last night.
	No, I didn't have sex last night.
	No.
	Probably right before I came to California.
	A couple days ago?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It was last week, some point.
	I don't remember.
	Okay.
	I don't remember.
	Is it like because we do like OF and stuff, is it like out of that?
	Right.
	Are we talking to the account?
	Are we talking filming?
	Wait, y'all fuck for money?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, we collab with other people.
	That's fucking for money.
	You can say collaborating, but that's fucking for money.
	Let's be calling.
	Are we counting that or are we just counting like off-camera?
	Yeah, let's do both.
	Let's say for work and then for funsies.
	I guess same day, work and funsies, like two weeks ago.
	No, different guys.
	Oh, wait, two different guys, same day.
	I think so.
	One in the morning, one in the afternoon.
	Afternoons and light.
	Okay.
	What about you guys?
	I mean, mine was, it was the same guy, but it was just funsies one night and then the next day it was a live stream and same with you.
	Okay, you're single.
	Yeah, single three months, so it's been three months.
	What about single three months?
	So it's been three months.
	I'm going to have to skip that question because I don't think that's appropriate to share with the entire world.
	Yeah, I'm engaged.
	I will not be talking about that.
	Well, no, but you're just for the single girls.
	I think I was just for the single girls.
	Oh, thank God.
	Okay.
	Because, well, Kate, I mean, have you been seeing a guy since the last time you were on the show?
	No?
	Okay.
	Do you want, would you be more comfortable saying how long you've been celibate?
	It's been probably a year and a half.
	What?
	Oh, you're not a while.
	Reference you, girl.
	All right.
	Basically the same question.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if I should clap for you or like fall for it.
	All right.
	Because some of you said you're single, right?
	But I mean, you guys are, you know, involved.
	Some of you are involved with a guy in a sexual capacity.
	For multiple guys.
	But you're not dating them.
	But yeah, for multiple guys.
	Wait, multiple guys?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you guys get regular STD checks?
	Like, do you just have them beside your bed and every two weeks?
	Do you pee?
	You pee in dip and get a regular test out of wow.
	Peace, long, blood.
	Yeah, blood, urine, and rectal.
	Well, like, have it.
	Every 10 days.
	I guess every 10 days?
	Yep.
	Every 10 to 40.
	It's 10 days.
	At least if I'm actually shooting, I usually go every two weeks.
	So you have a partner, right?
	Yeah.
	You just shoot with your partner's normal.
	Typically, we have been shooting with each other for the past couple months, but recently I have been in town this week shooting with some other friends who are in the industry as well.
	And he's okay with that?
	Yeah, he loves it.
	He does the same thing.
	He's usually my cameraman.
	We both write, direct, film, edit, like.
	Sorry, would you guys consider yourselves like polyamorous or is there an exception?
	We would be ethically non-monogamous.
	Right.
	Damn.
	So, like, if we are able to talk about what we're doing for, you know, work, if we're shooting for OnlyFans or mini-beds or something like that, you know, we're very honest about it.
	And intercourse isn't really.
	I don't know.
	Intimacy is what we care about.
	I don't care if he goes and has sex with somebody else.
	He doesn't care if I do that.
	As long as we talk about it, as long as I'm honest, same thing.
	So there's no jealousy.
	But if there's intimacy with somebody else, then there's jealousy.
	And there is jealousy, even with working with somebody.
	But I try to turn my jealousy into motivation to be better.
	How do you draw the line between intimacy and just sex stick?
	Like a love or like no kissing.
	Just eat my vagina and like that is something that we are working on kind of defining the borders of more, but because situationally, like things can just be so up in the air and so random.
	As long as we talk to each other, for me, it's not something where we have to ask permission.
	It's something where we let our partner know that we're going to do something or that we have done something and we give them all the information.
	So always before you do it with somebody else, you have to talk about it.
	You try to.
	I mean, I kept him updated on every single one of my shoots.
	He wished me luck.
	Like, I sent him videos.
	He likes it.
	You know, does it impact your guys' intimacy?
	I think it furthers it.
	I think it makes it more intense because we have such a trust in each other, such a understanding that no matter what, we are living at home together.
	We are sleeping in the same bed together and we are building our future together.
	How long have you guys been together?
	For a year now.
	But it was kind of that situation where you meet and you're like, all right, I'm done.
	This guy.
	And were you guys both like in the you guys both came into the relationship already in the industry?
	You guys already.
	I have been in it since I was around 18.
	He had always wanted to do it, but again, he has a big boy job that is like a full-time career that he's been working on and cultivating all these years before me.
	And so for now, like he's focusing on that and more so creative projects with photography and filmography.
	Like we tried to do where he was helping me run my page and making his own content to run his own page.
	And it was just too much.
	It became very stressful for him to go to work, come home, have to do more work and then do more work.
	So that's kind of why, like, almost every two weeks, like, I'll come out to LA and I'll hang out with my friends who are all in the corn industry as well.
	And we'll shoot together, hang out, go back, and I'll spend two weeks editing and promoting.
	And he'll help me with that stuff as well.
	Do you plan on exiting at some point?
	And if one of you wants to exit and the other one doesn't, how does that work?
	So I chose this job because at any point, if I want to, I can say, hmm, don't need to do it anymore.
	I have enough knowledge and enough tools in my belt to be able to afford me any job that I would like to, other than, you know, like big-time jobs that you need a certificate or a diploma for.
	Like, I can make sure that I'm good without the corn industry.
	Have you ever had any leaks?
	Is there anything leaked on you on the internet?
	Everything.
	I mean, I'm out there.
	Do you believe that you'll be able to get a good career after should you want to with stuff being leaked?
	Because most fields won't.
	So the career that we're choosing together is one in which we create like a production company and bring like a more safe space for corn industry people, for creatives, for models to come.
	So when you quit, that's what you would be doing is like advising you.
	I would probably quit whenever we decide to have children.
	Okay.
	Because I find it immoral and unethical to do corn or be in the sex industry while having a child in your home.
	I don't think that's okay.
	I agree.
	And also, to that point, I don't think that it's okay to work with children and then go home and do that and post that on the internet.
	You probably hide the household vegetables up your cooter.
	Are you not worried that even if you quit after you've had children, all that stuff will still be on the internet and your kids will still see it?
	Because it will.
	They might, yeah.
	That's something that I had to understand whenever I came into this industry is that this is a choice that I am making to put myself out there.
	No matter how hard I try, there will still be stuff out there.
	But I will make sure my child, my children, know that sex work, whatever, it's fine.
	It's not something that needs to be vilified.
	Why does having the kids then make it immoral?
	But if you don't have them, it's not.
	Yeah, if it's not for the.
	Because there's not a child in my home.
	But if you're going outside your home and filming it, there's a lot of people, especially, that's a really good point.
	There's a lot of people, especially popular people on TikTok and on YouTube and all that stuff, who are openly polyamorous and content creators and they will bring people over to their home where they have a red room.
	And oh, it's soundproof.
	So I know who you're talking about.
	I think you do.
	I think you danced about the next year.
	Yeah, they sure have.
	If you're not doing that, why does it make a difference if there's kids in the house or not?
	If you're going to a student?
	Because again, I don't have a child.
	But that's my.
	If you're not filming in your house, why does having a child make the difference between whether or not it's immoral?
	I don't know.
	I just think it's kind of weird to go do a bunch of sex stuff and then go home and hold your baby.
	I think not that there's anything wrong with that, but I just think it's like if I'm going to be a mom, I'm going to be a mom.
	And I don't need to go and be like a little hoe running around the streets.
	But you'll be okay editing those videos and then going home and holding your baby.
	Well, no, she said she would quit when she had children.
	But what you also said that I found interesting was that you don't want to raise your children to have any sort of stigma around the sex work industry.
	My mother, I'm from the Bible Belt, and so there's a huge, like everybody's against progress there.
	Main reason I moved out here.
	But I was lucky with my mom to an extent of which she never made me believe in Christianity.
	She never made me be straight.
	Like when I came out as bi, she was like, I know, you know, that's cool.
	Tell me something new, you know?
	So, in regards to the children, though, you said that you would be more, what's the word, progressive with your children when it comes to sex work.
	It's no problem.
	I don't think my four-year-old needs to know about, but you know, as they get wider.
	Sorry.
	Excuse me.
	But then why quit?
	If it's okay enough, like if your daughter was like 18 and came to you and was like, Mom, I want to strip.
	This is a good question.
	And you would support that.
	Why quit in the first place?
	Like, don't you think you should carry that out and be like, mom does this, but mom is all these different things?
	I'm just confused on the difference, I guess.
	I think it comes down to maturity of the child and what they can understand and the way that you give that information to them.
	Like, if you never talk to them about it and they go out and they watch a show like this or, you know, like another show where it's a bunch of like actual misogyny and people stating that girls that do certain things will only ever do those things.
	Like, I think that's a way to get misinformation and to lead your child down like a path in which they don't know what's going on in the world around them.
	So you would say that here's your options, but I would prefer you do something else.
	Like would you not care?
	If my child was interested, even if at 18, whatever, and they're out of the house, if they wanted to do dancing, I would hope that they would take it seriously as a sport and try to be the best dancer that they could be.
	Not, I'm going to go dance because I can make a thousand dollars.
	But isn't that the Bonnie Blue mentality?
	Because Bonnie Blue is kind of like, well, you know, whores exist.
	So why not be the best?
	It literally is.
	It's an extreme sport at this point.
	With how many dicks she's taking, like, come on.
	Literally.
	Is that what you want for your daughter?
	Would you want her to go sleep with a thousand guys in one day?
	It's not really my choice.
	I know, but I'm asking if you were a mother, if you had a daughter, and she came to you and she said, Hey, guess what, mom?
	I'm going to do this challenge where I go let 100 guys, you know, stick it in me, raw dog.
	I mean, would that be something?
	Like, how would you feel about that?
	I think for me, my child's life is my child's life.
	If they're 16 and they want to go do a bunch of weird stuff, no.
	Is it not going to bother you if your kid wants to do something that's harmful?
	I think the whole discussion comes to like, are they still living in the house with me?
	Am I still paying for them?
	But would you want that child?
	I feel like saying, sorry.
	I feel like saying, like, you know, it's their choice is either disingenuous or you're just not a mom yet.
	No.
	And you don't have to do that.
	I would say no.
	I wouldn't want it for my child because I know how long it took me to get to do it safely and to do it without being like manic, like, and just going and doing stuff.
	Like, I'm doing stuff in a very safe way with friends that I've had for years.
	Like, I barely ever bring in new co-stars to my videos.
	Like, obviously, it's not different than Monty Blue or something.
	Like, we're all doing the same thing.
	Once, thank you.
	Thank you.
	This is a $999 conversation.
	Good points.
	Thank you guys.
	That was fun.
	Thanks for sharing.
	Let it hit.
	There we go.
	Got some help.
	It's coming.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's right there.
	There we go.
	Hell yeah.
	Gotta wiggle it a little bit.
	Who wants me?
	Everybody's champagne.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, just you.
	You don't want any cake?
	Do you want champagne?
	Yeah, I'll have some champagne.
	Okay, so one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
	Okay, cool.
	I have some spinning.
	You guys can continue on with the console while I'm in the middle.
	I think my end answers.
	Ryu, thank you.
	Thank you, Ryu.
	I think my end answer to that question is: I would make sure that my child knows everything that I know and that I have experienced and what I have gone through so that then they can make their own decision on if they want to put themselves in those vulnerable situations.
	So if you wouldn't want your daughter to really do it, why would you do it yourself?
	Well, now I'm at a point where it's safer and I am doing it in a healthy way with my partner.
	There was a time whenever I really wasn't.
	I was putting myself, like I was escorting, and I was bringing a bunch of random people back to my home.
	Literally bringing random people back to my home.
	And I was being a little, you know, three or four out there just slanging to get it.
	But I was also under the influence of the whole OnlyFans Girl crisis where they're like, girl, boss, you don't need no money.
	If anyone disagrees, they're insecure.
	If you pay me, like, that type of stuff.
	I was in that mindset and also unmedicated for bipolar, so that did not help me.
	Type one or two.
	One.
	Luckily.
	Some of my family wasn't lucky.
	You want your daughter to like try like freshly 18?
	Like you just want them to go straight into OnlyFans or do you have to?
	I've already said it.
	All right, hold on really quick.
	Okay.
	Ryu 2985.
	Cheers to you, Ryu.
	Thank you so much, fans.
	Cheers.
	Salu.
	Cheers.
	Salut.
	Cheers.
	No, we're supposed to.
	Cheers.
	Oh.
	Thanks, buddy.
	Just a metaphorical cheers.
	In COVID, we ought to be sitting apart.
	What you were saying, though.
	Not to talk down or anything, I'm sorry, but when did you want her to try?
	For me, I tried so many things before even going to OnlyFans.
	And if I had a daughter, I would be like, why do you want to go straight to OnlyFans?
	Like, try some different things.
	And if that's really what you want, that's what you want.
	I'm guessing that by the time I actually have a child, that you know, OnlyFans and all that stuff, it won't be as hype as it is now.
	It will go back to just being what does that mean?
	Like, it'll be more socially acceptable.
	No, I think it's like sensationalized now.
	Like, the life of an OF girl, the life of a bop, you know?
	Like, for I don't really know how to answer that question, honestly, because I'm not in the future with my baby.
	But I like for me, I was raised up doing hard work, manual labor, working jobs in which my hands got dirty and I got sore every single day.
	I would want my child to, you know, obviously tell me what their interests are, and then I can help them cultivate those into something that will bring them a career.
	I think the underlying issue is like the societal kind of erosion of the role of a woman, perhaps.
	Like now, women have more access to different types of jobs.
	I am going to finish your point, but I'm going to switch topic after you make it.
	Including, like, you know, using your body for money.
	I mean, that's one of the oldest books for women specifically.
	So that's just a broader conversation.
	I mean, it's more accessible, but is it better for like you and your baby and then society more generally?
	Hold on.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	That was the final final thing there.
	But specifically for you, Gemma, I always do a little bit of, you know, I look at people's social media platforms when I invite them on the show.
	I noticed on your Twitter that you engaged in a public sex act at some festival.
	There's a, Nick, pull up the or pull up the video.
	There's a photo.
	Pull it up, please.
	At a festival.
	It's obviously edited.
	It's edited.
	It's edited, don't worry.
	Okay, I was like, hello.
	All right, so I've cropped it, but make it bigger, please.
	And make us write big.
	Write big, please.
	In sources.
	Hide, write small, please.
	Okay.
	So you're wearing like a dog mask.
	You're a gimp suit.
	Is this in San Francisco or something?
	Where is this?
	This is in San Fran.
	Okay.
	So what isn't shown, because I cropped it, the full video shows it.
	You are pegging him with a strap on, and then you're giving him a reach around, and his penis is exposed to dozens, if not hundreds of people who are walking by.
	But says that some sort of pride.
	So this is an event.
	This does happen down here.
	I thought that was just Canadian propaganda.
	Y'all actually do this up in Fridays.
	So this isn't a pride event.
	This is an event called Folsom Street Fair.
	It is completely blocked off.
	It's a Folsom?
	It's like a big block party.
	It's intense.
	It's a crazy debauchery.
	What if some kids saw that?
	Yeah.
	So I get that.
	God damn, girl.
	Are you into BDSM?
	Yeah.
	She's a dawn.
	She said that.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, a core tenant of BDSM is consent.
	Yeah.
	And so whenever you're engaging in a kink out in public, the other people can't consent.
	So they consented by going to the event.
	That's it.
	So just to be clear, the event overtly excludes not overtly.
	What's the term for states?
	Explicitly.
	Thank you.
	Explicitly states that, by the way, people are going to be having sex in public.
	Yes.
	It's kind of like a cultist following, honestly, for it.
	And are there barricades?
	It's all blocked off.
	It's security.
	You have to pay entry.
	Honestly, there's a lot of stuff there that was way out of my comfort zone.
	I thought I was freaky, and then I went there and I was like, hold on, pegging a guy in the middle of the street.
	He asked him to excuse me.
	And he's another creator.
	Whatever you're saying, I'm familiar that there's a festival.
	I refuse to believe that a government body is going to grant a festival, a permit, where there's going to be public sex in the streets occurring.
	I'll tell you this.
	In California, there are stuff here.
	In a club, maybe.
	I'm not really sure about the legislation on why they allow that type of stuff.
	Who's they?
	Who is allowing it?
	I'm guessing San Francisco's legislative team.
	I've heard they're pretty liberal up there.
	In San Francisco.
	It's kind of like a historical event that they're trying to keep going, but I don't know if I agree.
	Historically sexy.
	See, that's our Folsom Street Fest or Fair.
	Folsom Street Fair.
	That's in Folsom.
	Or in San Francisco.
	It's in San Francisco.
	Okay, okay.
	That's why I prefer things like Expiz because at least like the whole hotel is rented out by people.
	Can I be nude at your events?
	Okay, it says, yes, you may be naked.
	Is there any explicit warning for not bringing kids or something?
	No, kids are not allowed.
	Okay, that's who I am.
	Okay, hold on.
	Oh, my God.
	So hold on.
	That's not the point.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Here, Nick, you can pull this up if you want to reference it.
	Please pull it up fast, okay?
	All right.
	So it's the FAQ.
	So can you be nude at the events?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Apparently, that is allowed at the event, according to the organizers.
	Click can you be nude at the events?
	Make it bigger, please.
	Can I bring pen?
	Bigger.
	Like, zoom in.
	Yeah.
	And then what is the policy on sexual activity if you want to click that one?
	They have that.
	Folsom Street follows all local, state, and federal laws to the best of our ability and intervenes in any discovered instances of lewd behavior.
	We have implemented and continue to enforce a three-strikes policy on public sexual activity.
	Step one, verbal warning.
	Security team may stop you and ask you to take your given activity.
	Okay.
	Masturbation, blah, blah, blah, indoors to an appropriate local establishment.
	Step two, ejection from the fair.
	Step three, citation.
	They will turn the matter over to the SFPD.
	I think this is probably a bit of a gray area because, I mean, they do allow the nudity, but per their own policy, there is like, oh, and you were also, there was a separate video I saw where you were S ing the D of some dude on video.
	Was that video?
	But I like you so much.
	Why?
	I know.
	Was it a free video?
	Did you at least get paid for that?
	On that video?
	I mean, like, even one.
	One was with another content creator that I know, and the other was with my partner.
	That was the craziest out, like, public thing I've ever done.
	Are you high?
	I'm in shock.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	But it literally says, it literally says the rules.
	Oh, yeah.
	So they don't allow people to just fuck in the streets.
	There's also like men.
	In San Francisco, they do that.
	Yeah, so there's all this just the legal language.
	So there's also like men sitting in kiddie pools full of urine.
	Oh, that's when they get it.
	And there's like demonstrations where people are like doing sexual acts, like very, very obvious.
	So it's an event coordinated.
	It's like a sex club.
	It's kind of like there if you don't want to see it.
	You can do a little something, but don't be egregious.
	Don't be, don't.
	I don't know how to explain.
	Don't be afraid of it.
	They're fine with nudity, but they're quite clear on the sexual activity, and they prohibit sexual activity.
	Okay, did anyone stop it?
	Yeah, they don't.
	I'm like in an early filming, like crowd gathered.
	I mean, I think we should be questioning the event coordinator, not her.
	I mean, honestly, I will say that event.
	I don't know who's not for the fake army at all.
	Yeah, okay, there's people walking around.
	Way crazier than me.
	There's a clear delineation between walking around naked and then pegging a dude while wearing like a cat or a dog face, and he's in a gimp mask, and you're pegging him, and you're giving him a reach around.
	I miss the days when these things just stayed in the bedroom, man.
	It was a very traumatic experience for me, unfortunately.
	I was traumatized.
	Did he ejaculate?
	No, he did earlier whenever he was in a different show.
	Imagine getting tied to a cross.
	I would be in a scarred.
	If I saw that, I'd be like, ma'am, you are paying for me.
	He's actually like a very large creator.
	For your day, if you step in some jizz, that's a wrap.
	You can't have a good day after that.
	It's over.
	In Seattle, you're going to step in bum poop and stuff.
	It's okay.
	Or whatever you're doing.
	It's somewhere.
	And I don't know which is worse.
	I feel like who knows?
	Anybody else?
	Anyways, I just wanted to point out your sex crime, I guess.
	We have a sex crime.
	Let's try live.
	I'm letting her live her life.
	She keeps it.
	You went deep.
	You went way back into my Twitter.
	So are you ready to have that conversation with your child?
	Like, when you do have your baby girl, like, this is what mom was doing when she was doing it.
	Mommy, what's he doing?
	Why is he dressed like me?
	Like, Brian, are you imagining?
	Guys, Please, one person speaking at a time.
	Go ahead.
	Her dad should be responsible for explaining that to you.
	My dad?
	No, like when you guys have your child, he should also be a part of that conversation.
	I mean, I don't think that's something we'd bring up to them unless they found it and they were like, hey, Ma, is this you?
	And I'd be like, yep, that's me.
	Is that a conversation you want to have, though?
	Why?
	Also, why do you guys think my child would immediately want to go into adult industry stuff?
	No, I'm not saying they want to.
	If they can come generally.
	Can we get it out of California?
	I don't know.
	Brian, are you in therapy?
	Yes.
	Just making sure after all these podcasts that you're seeing.
	Very traumatic.
	You don't assume your kids want to go into sex work.
	It's just that they will find you on the internet.
	Yeah, you might.
	It's really maybe 20 years in the future.
	But, you know.
	Are you not worried that when you do have children, that the love that you feel for them might make you kind of go, hey, I would really rather my daughter not be involved in this work.
	And how do I explain that to her when I've spent years doing it?
	I, again, would just tell her about the reality of it and the experiences that I have had and how I've learned to not do a lot of the things that I'm doing.
	What if you have a son and all of his friends?
	I think I can wrap up this conversation.
	This is super simple.
	Sorry.
	Well, just basically porn bad.
	But we can porn bad.
	Porn bad.
	The porn bad conversation is super boring.
	But if you guys want to talk about it, we can't talk about it.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Porn bad, really boring.
	I think it's just getting a little like convoluted.
	I think I'm the only mother at this table.
	Am I correct?
	I think.
	Yeah, no, no.
	Okay.
	So, something that some people know about me, but not really, is I used to do sex work.
	So I started when I was like, I think 22.
	I never had an OnlyFans.
	I like ran it through my Patreon.
	And the reason was because I was dating somebody.
	And as soon as I got famous, he like leaked all that shit.
	So everybody was like, oh, you should do one.
	So I did it.
	Now, I'm a mom.
	I have, now I have a son.
	I quit before my son, but I have a daughter.
	She's eight.
	I have a son who's three.
	And I have two younger siblings who's 13 and 10.
	And one thing that I can say, speaking completely from experience, is once it's out there, it's out there.
	And when you become a mom and you look into the face of this like precious little baby that you created, there is a level of shame that you will never, I will never be able to describe.
	Now, you started after your brain was fully developed.
	You made the choice.
	There are a lot of girls who start at like 22, 23.
	They don't think about the implications.
	They don't think, wow, is my little brother going to get bullied at school?
	Is my son's friends going to see this?
	So like, I think you may be speaking from a position of naivety, which is fair because you're not a mom.
	I believe that, but just be prepared to say that.
	I believe I agree with what you're saying.
	I definitely do have the, I'm naive to like what the actual feelings are of being a mother.
	But for me, like when I started like being in the industry, I was under the impression that I wasn't able to have kids and I had decided that I wasn't going to have kids.
	The hope is that like medical science changes and that I will be able to have a kid later on.
	We're hoping, but my goal was never to have children.
	And now that I have somebody that I love, I see that future for us.
	Fair enough.
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	We're going to get back into the pre-show notes, though.
	Going back here to Gemma on your Twitter, it says bookings open, but you already clarified that you do do escorting.
	How often do you escort, I guess?
	It says bookings open.
	That is mainly for like professional shoots.
	Oh, shoots.
	Okay.
	So the escorting, how often do you do that?
	So I usually see one of my two people that I have now once a week or okay.
	You got regulars then?
	Yeah.
	Right now I have two people who I've known for the past four years.
	And what's the breakdown there?
	You see them for like 30 minutes, they dip, or is it a longer break?
	The one that I see in Vegas, he's super swell.
	We hang out, we go good dinner, then we go do a little fun stuff in the, you know, upstairs.
	Maybe we'll go shopping, walk around.
	Is it like an hourly rate or a flat rate?
	How does that work?
	So if I was going to do like a professional shoot, and by that I mean if somebody who is not a creator wants to shoot with me, they have to pay the minimum to shoot.
	If they don't want to record it, they still have to pay the minimum.
	Okay, but I typically don't bring new people into.
	Sure.
	What's the minimum?
	What's a thousand for and I don't do like by hour.
	Like if we're going to do a shoot, I'm guessing it'll be from one to three hours or something.
	Usually that'll cover like me getting there, us doing stuff, and us hanging out afterwards, maybe.
	Anybody else here do or have done me?
	No, I'm just not like officially.
	What do you mean?
	Well, unofficially.
	Well, because you can be on like websites.
	You can do it professionally 100% of the time, like full-time.
	I've had like a couple clients.
	I was a sugar baby for like a year with two clients.
	More than two clients or just two clients?
	It was just two clients.
	Okay, so you've had transactional sex with two people.
	Well, like it was like you got a monthly allowance.
	You continued seeing them.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, continuously.
	What was the allowances you were getting?
	My monthly allowance from each was like 3K.
	Okay.
	And then would they sometimes come up with a bunch of people?
	I was young, though.
	I was like 21.
	Give you gifts.
	Yeah, or like if they take you shopping, they'll usually pay for everything.
	Dinner, you know, they're paying for everything.
	Okay.
	Does that not bother you that someone can like access your body for $3,000?
	Well, I mean, the thing is, you don't have to say yes to anybody.
	Like you pick a client.
	No, you don't.
	You don't have to say yes to me.
	If somebody came up to you and was like, here's 3K, you're going to be like, nah, you're bald.
	It's why I stopped doing it, actually.
	Yeah.
	Because you can't get consistent hot people you want to fuck for money.
	So some people turn away.
	The hot guys with money.
	Girlfriends and wife.
	You don't need to pay any money for sex.
	It just seems like a really low number for self-respect.
	You have?
	Did you, like, what was the rate, I guess, that you charged?
	But that varied.
	I usually made like anywhere from 10 to 20k a month doing it.
	Just from the escorting side of things.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And do a lot of women.
	I highly, I'm sorry to be rude, but I judge on that.
	I judge on your jewelry and your outfit.
	I really doubt that.
	I'm not trying to like say you look like a slab or anything.
	I just doubt that.
	There's a lot of girls who come on this page on this and they will boast.
	And the one who boasts typically does not have the most.
	Yep.
	I don't think I'm boasting because there's a ton of girls in the industry.
	I'm not saying it's impossible.
	That makes a lot of money compared to me.
	20K, is that from the 19th century?
	You're here with hair in a tube top, sweatpants.
	Your hair's not washed.
	And you want to get away from that.
	I was at a YouTuber party last night.
	That you made this morning.
	20K a month.
	Wait, are you guys?
	Is this like inter-prostitute?
	I'm not chatting on my nose.
	So I can just be like, oh, I have all natural tens.
	I have no tats on my name.
	I literally know how it works.
	You know what?
	Adley plugs.
	I think you have a small-minded opinion about it.
	Well, I mean, there are girls.
	I don't have any fans that make like 1.5 million.
	I don't have bank statements that I'll show Brian.
	I can show Brian.
	Show you bank statements, but I'm not going to show everybody.
	No, I believe.
	I mean, I'll show you.
	Girls claim they're making six figures.
	And she knows Lindsay's literally, like, she'll do it for seven years.
	I have five clients.
	I will say three of them are really hot.
	The other two are questionable, but I don't do half hours.
	I don't do the 45 minutes.
	I do the like hours.
	She does like 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 20 minutes.
	Like, she's hustling.
	She's hustling.
	She's a hustler.
	She's hustling.
	She's not breaking her back.
	Well, I've been to her house and like I've seen like the two regulars I have right now.
	Yeah, I'm probably making about I make 10 from one of them and then I make about six from the other.
	So I make about 16 with those two.
	That's before my professional pro scenes and that's before anything else.
	Do a lot of women who are in the pro scene, a lot of them escort on the side, right?
	Yeah.
	Like the in the mainstream traditional adult content.
	Yes.
	Like with the where there's like the production company doing the shoot.
	It's not just like your, you know, the OF stuff, right?
	Yep.
	They're escorting.
	Yeah.
	I mean, so are bottle service girls.
	Yeah.
	So are servers.
	Yeah, they do.
	So are girls that you would never get.
	They're 1.8 million women between 18 and 24 having OnlyFans.
	Yeah, but 3% of them ever make more than like $400.
	I think $500.
	Yeah, I think this is it.
	$200 for $50.
	I think the average right now is like $80.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	That's exactly right.
	What about you?
	You said that?
	I did.
	I did it a lot until I just didn't like the guys that would come through because they're not obviously attractive.
	Like that's they're not the most hygienic.
	So I keep the five that I have because I like them.
	So I have like five that come and go when they please.
	Okay.
	And what's do you charge an hourly rate?
	Or what's that?
	I do like $1,000 to $1,200.
	$1,000 to $1,200.
	Okay.
	You guys think I could?
	Not that I would.
	Yes.
	Are you going to buy one or you might be one?
	Dudes, I would only service women.
	You can make some money.
	I think.
	How are you not getting a sugar mama yet?
	How have you not gotten a sugar mama yet?
	Huh?
	I said, how have you not gotten a sugar mama yet?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Has a woman just sent me money just cuz?
	I'm trying to think.
	Right.
	I mean, there's men and women sending you money just to see your face, Brian.
	You don't need to talk about it.
	That's not a general show support.
	Like a one-on-one, like they're pursuing a romantic you like, you're like at a cafe and they're like, here's $5 for a coffee baby.
	I have not.
	I feel like with sex work, it's a lot harder for straight men to gain revenue.
	Like this is like one of the things where women such a wage game.
	We get to know that.
	I know.
	I say this all the time.
	If you want to make money as a man in sex work, I'm always saying like sex work is the one industry where women just ask us men are really impressed with financial money.
	You guys are just depressing us.
	Do you feel traumatized?
	Yeah, are you traumatized?
	The sexism is just crazy.
	Oh, we have Nolly, who just got a wait, what the heck?
	It's not shopdallwhatever.com.
	Thank you, Nolly, for purchasing.
	Looks like you got a big labyrinth matter.
	Hoodie, thank you so much.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You know who has a big clitorist?
	Bonnie Blue.
	Have you ever seen it?
	It looks like a mini penis.
	You know, funny enough, I've actually never seen anything on Bonnie Blue.
	How'd you see it for free?
	I don't know.
	Actually, I don't know if it was probably somewhere on Twitter, I feel like.
	Maybe I was watching porn one day.
	I have no idea.
	Oh, I was like, she just oh, I Googled it.
	I Googled it.
	I did a live stream.
	I watched her.
	Yeah, I watched her stream with Andrew Tate.
	I picture you on the computer.
	How big is Bonnie Blue?
	It's huge, man.
	It's big.
	You should definitely look.
	I think it's basically like, oh my God, that's very good like 10 sheets ago, man.
	Oh, my God.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	So that's cool.
	So that's great.
	How sellable is Brian's butthole?
	Oh, no.
	And not his penis.
	Excuse me.
	So, anyways.
	You're going to make me cross.
	Anybody else here at like just sugar, sugar baby, sugar daddy stuff?
	It's like escorting a sugar baby, like kind of like saying, it's like basically something.
	Thank you for admitting that they all do it.
	Yes, if you're a sugar baby, you're escorting.
	I feel like once you get a clientele, sometimes you don't have to meet them.
	So then that's when the sugar baby becomes a little bit of a bad thing.
	That's what I was thinking.
	Like escort, I assume, even though that's like a step down from just straight prostitution, where these girls will like escort the guy to dinner, then fuck him.
	I guess maybe escorting, I assume there's a sexual exchange.
	But sugar baby, some of these girls are not, they're just going on a date.
	No, they're not.
	That's what they say.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Because even out here on this trip, like the guy that I see, he sent me a thousand bucks for like just a gravel and all that.
	Has he seen you naked at all?
	Oh, yeah, my Twitter is.
	Congratulations, you're escorting.
	If somebody is exchanging you money because they saw you naked or because they are going to see you naked.
	There's also pay pigs on my page.
	There's also people who are cucks and want to pay to just see this content.
	I think what Lindsay's getting at is that there are women who do receive money from that is prostitution.
	When somebody pays to just see your niggas, it's a pretty word.
	No, a cuck is not a prostitution.
	The differential that we're talking about here is that these women are receiving money, and you might still categorize it as prostitution, but they're not actually having sex with them.
	And in some cases, these women, they don't even meet up with some of these guys.
	The guys are just sending them money.
	But they wouldn't have sent that money unless they saw Bob's and Vegin.
	That's my point.
	That is prostitution.
	Nobody's looking at y'all's faces and being like, oh my God, let me send you $3,000.
	There are some, there's like these Fin Dumb chicks who do, like, who have pay pigs.
	And like the dynamic, there's not even a lot of people.
	Well, that's a different breed.
	Yeah, that is a bit different.
	But they're essentially like bullying these guys.
	Those girls are hustling.
	I don't agree with it, but those girls are hustling.
	It's just another kink.
	The guys like it, so they pay for it.
	It's definitely the fucking thing.
	I think it's taking advantage and exploiting mental health of men, but if they got it like that, a girl who is exchanging nudes to a guy and he's sending her money for the nudes, I actually don't respect it, but I respect it more than the girls who are like bullying and doing what's the term in the degradation?
	Yeah, right.
	I kind of respect the nude exchange versus the like these women who are like treating these men like shit.
	Right, because you've got other kinks like force feeding, where these guys will like pay for these big girls to sit on like live streams and force feed themselves.
	And everyone's like, those poor victims, because they are.
	They're being exploited.
	So I don't see how it's any different.
	If a man is paying a woman to talk shit, I mean, I'll talk shit to you for free.
	Like, why do you go?
	I don't understand that part.
	That's mental health.
	You're exploiting mental health.
	What is the difference between a guy paying for your dinner and then you sleeping with him versus you dating a guy and him paying for dinner and you sleeping with him?
	Are you asking if dating is prostitution?
	No, I'm just saying like Bonnie Blue said something similar.
	So did Andrew T. Ew, I hated that.
	I know, that's why I'm like, careful, girl.
	No, I mean, I don't like him.
	As in, like, I genuinely have built relationships with the two people that I have.
	The one I see in Vegas, like it's the typical story.
	He's a divorced person, recently divorced.
	He hasn't felt love in 20 years type thing.
	Mainly what we do is kind of like therapy.
	Yeah.
	Is that intimacy to you?
	It is, but it's an intimacy that we both know what's happening.
	It's transactional.
	It's like he knows.
	I mean, I talk about my guy too false promises.
	There's no false promises.
	There's no I'm manipulating you.
	I genuinely have feelings for him and he genuinely has feelings for me.
	And my partner is fine with that.
	But what it comes down to is he's paying, he's paying me to be his therapist, be his coddler.
	He's paying me.
	And for the other stuff, he's paying me so that he can feel a little bit of love.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	But don't I think that that might hinder him from actually finding a woman who actually truly loves him?
	I don't believe so.
	I believe if he has feelings for you, seeing you, it would be.
	Yeah, but he doesn't want to date me.
	I don't want to date you.
	He might not want to date you, but if he enjoys having sex with you and he wants to keep that going, he's going to have a very hard time meeting an actual woman who would love him beyond sex.
	There's a lot of these men who they can't find a woman that they, like in their head, have painted a picture of of what they want.
	So they're seeking you for that reason.
	As long as everyone's open and honest, I don't think it's extremely important.
	I would consider most of the work that I do to be like the girlfriend experience.
	But that's such a fake thing when it's not a real girlfriend.
	Yeah, but they're not.
	It's you.
	You're giving me a girl.
	And they know what they're signing up with.
	Listen, it's not fake.
	Some men do, but there are a lot of men out there who are desperate enough to feel like they have a girlfriend that they will pay somebody for it, even if it's not the real thing.
	You're right.
	So I think the better question is: if you ever felt like you had a client, say you were making like 3K off of them and you noticed that they were starting, it was starting.
	It's like a therapist.
	You describe yourself as a therapist.
	If you're a therapist and somebody starts like falling in love with you, you have to refer that client.
	Like, would you have the moral standing to be like, I'm going to do what's better for you because this is going too far?
	I've had clients where it became scary and like stalkery.
	And I've had to like block them multiple, multiple times.
	Like they just keep making accounts or they'll just show up places.
	That was before I moved out to Vegas.
	But people will become obsessive if you're not careful and clear with your boundaries.
	I don't think obsessive, but I mean, what if you notice them having real feelings for you?
	Right.
	Not stalkers.
	Not obsessive, but just actually having real feelings because if they have felt that if they have real feelings for you, that will hinder them in creating real feelings for another woman that would actually be their girlfriend.
	Right.
	You're no longer helping them.
	You're hindering them.
	That's a good question.
	I honestly don't think I can talk from this perspective because for me, I've never seen it as a jealousy type issue to sleep with multiple men.
	No, but I'm not talking jealousy.
	I'm saying if they actually, if they actually get romantic feelings for you, if they actually are like, I like this girl, I would be with her if I could.
	They will keep seeing you, and that will hinder them from actually finding a woman who would be with them and reciprocate those feelings back.
	I don't know why them having a healthy and loving situationship with somebody would hinder them from being able to get away from If they're loving you and they have good feelings for you, they're going to have a very hard time meeting a woman who's going to put up with them loving another woman.
	I think so.
	And they're also going to have trouble developing those feelings for another woman because that space is already taken.
	So that's a really good point.
	In my situation with the two clients I have now, they're incredibly busy.
	They are like big, big entertainment moguls.
	Like they don't really have time to actually do normal conservative dating or even worry about the drama of trying to date somebody.
	You're trying to go to the bar after a long day of work.
	They want to know that they are going to have somebody there to.
	But I feel like you're avoiding a little bit of that.
	Am I?
	Slightly.
	I might have missed it.
	Slightly.
	If the question was, because you say, like, it's not unethical because nobody's falling in love.
	There's this pre-agreement.
	If you saw a client that was falling in love with you, that was starting to build this delusion in their mind that you were, you know, that you, because I'm sure you care, but there's a level of like, you're getting paid, so you can't.
	It's not like caring for a friend, right?
	If you saw that they were emotionally overstepping the boundaries, you guys have to cut it off.
	Would you?
	Okay, that's the question.
	How do you pick up those signs?
	Is there like a certain point where you're like, this guy is showing way too much emotion to be my client now?
	I mean, it's kind of the same red flags as like a first date.
	You know, if somebody like says something, you get that like, like, because I've had marriage proposals.
	You know, you have to say no and set those boundaries.
	But if they still want to see you, that's still their choice.
	They sought you out in the beginning and they're choosing to see you after you set those boundaries as well.
	That's like a drug dealer being like, don't overdose, but hey, you're going to buy this fentanyl off of me.
	They're choosing a dynamic.
	You have to have morals.
	But are they going to die from having sex with me?
	No, but you might hinder their life from being better.
	But if they have said that they don't want somebody their age or they don't want to be able to do that.
	But then if somebody who wants to be able to do that, they're choosing to pay for something because they either don't want to seek out the alternative, don't want to take a cheat date.
	Like there's a lot of men who like they'd be deployed or they just like to freaking cheat or they're athletes who are never more in one place more than like a day or two.
	Like it just depends.
	I care about him as a person.
	I care that he does well.
	And I like, like, it's not just like he texts me on Friday, oh, I'm in town.
	Like, like, he'll check in with me.
	Like, we'll update each other about what we're doing.
	I think for him at this point, like, it has been, he's been lonely and he was in this relationship for so long.
	Back to like the being in a relationship and then having to leave it and having kind of nothing.
	He had like a whole family.
	And now he's having to do all of this on his own and figure out how to feel like a man again and how to, you know, like, I don't know, feel confident in himself and what he does.
	And I believe that I help him to find that confidence again.
	I understand that, right?
	And like, if you took the money away from it, would you still see him?
	No.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Maybe how a guy paying a woman to sleep with him is going to build his confidence.
	Again, it's not paying to sleep with me.
	I mean, tech, kind of, but it's more like he doesn't give me like a bundle of bills.
	Like, he helps me when I need help with certain things, when I ask for it.
	But he's doing that because you sleep with him.
	He's doing it.
	Because I comfort him.
	If you weren't, if sex was not involved, he would not be paying you.
	He could get comfort from a female friend.
	He could get comfort from anybody else.
	As I said, I'm guessing that he doesn't have that.
	He could pay a therapist for comfort.
	Okay.
	There's other people he can go to for comfort.
	He's going to you because it's not.
	He's sounding upset at me.
	I'm not understanding why.
	I'm not upset.
	I just think that you're kind of disconnecting what it's actually about.
	And the base of what it's about is sex.
	Do you dominate him?
	And if so, like, does that help with his self-confidence?
	Not him.
	I don't.
	I think you guys are making it sound like it's just this evil, awful thing.
	I think, in my experience, it's been a very wholesome, very nice experience with him.
	I don't know if wholesome is the real thing.
	I don't think it's the same thing as going on a date.
	What?
	It's not the same thing as going on a date with somebody if you're involving exchanging money for.
	Are you going to have sex with somebody after a date?
	What the fuck is the difference?
	Yeah, but if you're a faith, you're expecting something in the future, like a relationship.
	I mean, you can see it that way.
	Some of us do see that that way.
	Do you sleep with all of them?
	I have some clients that I don't even sleep with.
	Sometimes we just hang out.
	I'm shut up.
	You're like the cuddle guy.
	Yeah.
	But there's no expectation of sex after that hangout session, is it?
	Not always.
	Not all the time.
	But if he asked for it, you would do it.
	He would ask for it, yeah.
	Because he's obviously a paying customer.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So it's just like kind of like a customer service thing.
	They're paying for a service.
	I don't think it's like an evil terrorist.
	It's just like another way to pay the bills.
	I help him, he helps me, kind of a situation.
	And somehow I get something out of it.
	My bills are paid.
	And if he leaves happy, he leaves like happy.
	Do you have a relationship with any of your clientele?
	Would that be cool for you?
	I don't want to date any of them personally just because maybe one, but all of them?
	No.
	I don't think so.
	It's just more of just like a transactional, I need help.
	You want to help me.
	You need help.
	I'm going to help you.
	And when they're like foot ugly, how do you turn your brain off?
	Great question.
	Doggy and you close your eyes.
	Doggy.
	That's a key word.
	And you close your eyes.
	I'm not mad at you.
	I allow certain people to do certain things.
	Well, I do deny.
	Well, I do deny some people because, like I said, some people are just not hygienic and just not like.
	I'm sorry.
	I just don't think it's worth it.
	Like, I'm just like, no.
	Yeah, I would never sleep with somebody I didn't find attractive.
	Oh, I do all the time.
	But no matter what.
	If it's to the point where it's just like, I feel disgusting, I will not do it.
	I have, I guess.
	But don't you feel disgusting all the time?
	No.
	How do you go?
	And are you guys sober when this happens?
	Most of the time, most people are high all the time.
	Because yeah, not everybody has to be high.
	Like you were like, this is what it is.
	I don't know.
	I'm much more of a people person.
	So sometimes we're not having sex, but we're also just like.
	I have one.
	I don't know.
	He's a cute little Asian.
	He comes over and I cuddled him for like a whole hour.
	Oh, and then he got a client.
	Yeah, and he gave me a laboo boo and then that 16 cents.
	Cuddles for labo boos.
	That's like the new trend.
	Well, I did get paid, but he wasn't.
	Those aren't expensive.
	They are.
	I think you got a good deal there.
	It was a giant labo boo, too.
	Love him.
	Sinned now.
	Simp now.
	So you send somebody else.
	But I do have some clients that don't know how to be intimate or how to do sexual things.
	And doing that with like a random person, I think it's embarrassing.
	Too intimidating.
	To intimidate.
	As well endowed.
	Yeah.
	And by paying someone, they know that we're obviously going to have sex.
	There's no judgment.
	Yeah.
	And then they're just sometimes.
	I have one client that's just like, I need help.
	And I'm like, okay, I can help you.
	Kind of a situation.
	And is it like referral or how do you guys like get your main map?
	No, I honestly don't know.
	No, like they seek.
	Obviously, Twitter and there are pages.
	Like there's like I met my clients naturally, like just at events.
	Yeah, I met my sugar daddies naturally.
	Probably so many people.
	I would love to go to Vegas.
	Both my clients are out here, actually.
	Really?
	But they travel sometimes, but I'm usually out here every two weeks.
	I know Vegas is high and for that.
	Sorry if I sounded mad at you.
	No, you're fine.
	You're fine.
	I get it.
	I think sometimes I get a little confused whenever it's like so many people talking.
	Yeah, I'm sorry if I made you feel like this is a great topic.
	I'm having so much fun right now.
	I just want to be educated.
	So if you guys had, especially you, you and you, you seem to be most vocal about your job and the ins and outs of it.
	If you had somebody that came to you that was like, well, not a millionaire, I guess, but like if you had like a rich guy, even a guy that you fell in love with, he's handsome, family man, and he was like, you just fell head over heels and he was like, no more OnlyFans, would you stop?
	Yes.
	He's paying my bills.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So that's what that's what it came down to is paying the bills.
	Because I'm being taken care of.
	Honestly, you being taken care of and like letting me be able to do something besides OnlyFans, like taking care of me so I can go to school and do some other things.
	I would literally quit today.
	So why not go to school now?
	Sorry.
	Why not save you guys?
	Not everybody.
	You're making 20,000.
	Why don't you?
	But nobody go to school.
	That doesn't mean everybody grew up with those means.
	And that means like you do.
	I'm talking to you.
	Oh, I pay my mom's bills and I have other people that I'm paying my family's bills too.
	That's not the question.
	You don't know my finances.
	That wasn't the question.
	Why does that mean you have to be to get out of sex work, though?
	You know, exactly.
	I don't think sex works.
	Whoa, that's a mentor.
	That's a person who's a bad person.
	Also, didn't get a degree for being in a family.
	But if you look at society as a whole right now, society as a whole, dating is not going great.
	And I don't think that OnlyFans helps that at all.
	She's in a happy relationship, but nobody's going to approach you, you, or you, and be like, hey, Lummy, pay your bills and come cook and clean for me.
	Even I don't want that.
	I don't want that.
	But you just said that you would.
	No, we said that you would.
	She said she would stop if that was on the table.
	We didn't say we, that's the end game.
	What if you're dating a guy and you're already in a relationship and he makes $50,000 a year and you meet a client who's a millionaire and he says, hey, baby, quit this and come be with me.
	Are you going to dump your boyfriend to go be with that guy?
	I mean, I'm in a happy relationship.
	Wait, I don't mean like monogamously dating somebody and also still escorting?
	Yeah, because several people, a lot of people do that.
	Tons of women do escorting and OnlyFans while dating somebody.
	To mention, my partner is okay with it because it's what I want.
	But if I were to not do it, it would probably make him happy.
	He isn't against it because he's also in the industry.
	But we've had this talk because of conversations that come up on this.
	Like I watch this all the time.
	If he wanted me to stop, I would stop.
	What if I knew that we could survive and that we could take care of each other?
	I would stop.
	What if you had a client?
	I enjoy doing it.
	What if you had a client who said, quit this, only sleep with me, and I will pay you $200,000 a year to do that?
	That would never happen.
	I'd rather sleep in a box with my partner because I have so much more my partner for money.
	Yeah.
	And leaving.
	I will say, at this point, I moved in with my partner this past week.
	He is, he's the one who came to me and said, hey, I want to take care of more of our bills.
	I want to take care of these things that you can save for us.
	So whenever we look for a house, you can help me with that.
	Right.
	And so he's taking care of most of our bills right now.
	And all I have to do is save my money.
	So whatever money I make is save it.
	That's part of it.
	I'm the back.
	I'm the fallback whenever it comes to like us getting a house.
	I'm the fallback.
	If he can't make it one month, I got it.
	And that's, I think that is the only way that this type of situation could work between us is if we both know that no matter what, we will be okay because we will make it happen.
	Yeah.
	When I quit, I have no idea.
	I just quit because I like my brain developed, and one day I just couldn't look at myself in the mirror.
	I was like, I can't do this.
	It's like, how am I going to explain this to my son or my little brother?
	Or how am I going to do that?
	So I'm, yeah.
	I mean, when the day comes that you guys want to get out, I wish you all the best.
	I hope you save all the money because I made 1.8 million and saved like a third of that.
	But it's not even anything to be proud of because I spent it.
	I didn't have parents.
	I didn't have anybody to teach me about taxes, about investing, about a young, dumb kid that blew a bunch of money.
	Seriously, I did.
	So I had to start from scratch.
	I mean, luckily, I have a platform and I'm able to use my brain now, which is nice to make money.
	I've been using my brain.
	I started being a sex worker five years.
	So, anyways, moving on.
	Question for you guys.
	I was curious just about your tattoo here.
	Who's that?
	Lil Pete.
	That's Lil Pete.
	Lil Pete.
	He's an artist that died.
	I know you're the cry baby.
	Yeah.
	So we have merch.
	Somebody got a.
	Oh, you got a.
	Oh, Mary in the studio.
	She got herself.
	So merch.
	You can get yourself some shop.whatever.com.
	I'm going to tell my assistant, pull that up.
	Shop.whatever.com.
	Guys, we'll give you guys a shout-out during the stream if you purchase something.
	Thank you so much for that.
	And then also, we have a message here from Hidumi.
	Hi, Dumi.
	The culture of sex for money in today's day and age is incredibly scary between buyers and sellers.
	Something's off and needs to change.
	Love your show, Brian, and the team.
	Shout out to Chloe.
	Hi, Dumi is an up-and-coming advocate.
	She works incredibly hard and she's actually signed under me.
	So rock and roll.
	Shout out to you, girl.
	Thank you so much for your message.
	Really appreciate it.
	We also have via Venmo and Cash App here.
	A couple shout outs I need to give.
	We have Cody.
	Thank you for the 10 on Cash App for my Caucasian.
	Thank you.
	Five via Cash App.
	Oh, she says, a woman just paying you for you.
	Okay, I have my first official simp.
	I guess.
	$5, thank you.
	You know what?
	How do you feel?
	You know what?
	Yeah, I feel like you're worth a lot more than that.
	Do you feel dirty?
	$5, April.
	Clap your feet, Brian.
	Hey, we lost all your morality.
	You know, X that.
	X that.
	Two times, three times, four times.
	I think I have a 20 in my purse.
	Do you want that?
	Go get your purse.
	I got a five or somewhere.
	This is a stick up.
	I'll actually give you hostage.
	Do you have any Canadian money?
	I'd love somebody.
	Can I have some guests?
	I got like six Euros in my bed somewhere.
	Just a fucking loonies at this point.
	There's a $10 kitchen.
	It's like seven something here.
	Dropping coins.
	This is a $10.
	This is Canadian.
	Wow.
	It's like monopoli money.
	It's nice to pass here.
	You can get it.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Thank you.
	And this is the best.
	Throw it all in.
	Do you have any of the tunies?
	Oh, we need to get a tuning money check.
	Well, thank you so much, Chloe.
	I do appreciate it.
	Now, I do want you to clap your feet barefoot.
	Yeah, so pay us.
	This is a common request I received.
	It will cost you extra.
	And then where's the 20, Kate?
	Where's the 20?
	Do you want me to go get it?
	Yeah, go get the 20.
	Go get it.
	No, no, no.
	Make them clap.
	Make it the clap.
	Make it the clap, Brian.
	She's going.
	No, Chloe, don't go for free.
	Anybody else want to go check their purse for me?
	Give me money.
	Absolutely.
	This just turned into us all giving Brian money.
	Like, this is the best hustle ever.
	This should be a segment every single day.
	No closing petition.
	Sent for Brian.
	Every single patronage to Brian.
	Let's see here.
	We have Anna with the 20 on Venmo.
	Thank you, Anna.
	Mary, thank you for the 30 on Venom.
	You got a bunch of women spending you money on it.
	I love Vena.
	Here you go.
	Guys, Venmo.com, whatever pod, whatever pod, Venmo, and Cash App, if you want to show them the Cash App.
	Brian Atlas, it's going to me.
	Our money is worth 70 cents to your dollar.
	So that 10 bucks.
	Wait, check this.
	Check this.
	Kate here is about.
	Wow.
	The singles from the middle.
	I shouldn't even accept this.
	But I would if I must.
	Very insulting.
	I spent the 20.
	Sorry.
	Thank you, though.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the we have Joe via wait here it is.
	Joe.
	The feet clap.
	Okay, relax.
	$100 from Joe Finley via Cash App.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Joe.
	That's a very generous contribution.
	Thank you so much, Joe.
	You're a legend, Joe Finley, via Cash App.
	And then, quick reminder, guys, TTS is 200.
	Read is 100.
	Like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
	Join our Discord, Discord.gg slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub on Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Guys, it's been two minutes since we last had the Prime sub, so I think it's bugged.
	Again, can somebody just test out a little Twitch Prime in the chat?
	See if it's available.
	And then also don't forget Big Laby and Matter.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you.
	And all right, let's get into, we need to get into quite a few things.
	Oh, the WNBA segment.
	Okay.
	So we're going to cover that here.
	So Nick, can you pull up the first Google searches?
	So WNBA players wear pay us what you owe us shirts at All-Star Game.
	There's a bunch of news reports on that.
	And then Nick, if you tab over to the next one, you're going to see.
	So they all wore shirts that say, pay us what you owe us.
	You have Caitlin Clark there in the upper left-hand corner.
	The caption, though, reads: The WNBA loses $50 million every year and has never generated a profit.
	You deserve zero.
	So the NBA subsidizes the WNBA.
	Can you tab over to the next one?
	And then, oh, if the NBA, or excuse me, the WNBA shirts were honest, I owe the NBA money.
	I guess they did a little AI adjustment there.
	So just wanted to get the opinion here from the table.
	These women, they feel as if they're underpaid for work.
	Their male counterparts in the National Basketball Association.
	Yes.
	NBA.
	The NBA.
	Get paid way, way more.
	And these women are doing equal, you know, equal work.
	Equal work for equal pay.
	So they surely must deserve, you know, LeBron James.
	They should be paid the same as LeBron.
	Kobe.
	Rest in peace.
	No, the women are getting overpaid.
	So, what do you guys think?
	You think this is, should the WNBA players, they are paid, I think, fairly generous salary.
	I'm not here.
	Let me get they get paid like six figures, like probably 100 low six figures.
	Well, and wouldn't their income be like based on profit from people actually buying tickets and going to the games, which generally that's not a thing people do.
	So why would they make as much as a men?
	This is like Hi Doomi as an up-and-coming advocate.
	This would be like if she's like, I deserve to be paid just as much as Roma because we're doing the same job, but doesn't pull in the same amount of views or revenue.
	That's actually ridiculous.
	That's like me saying I should make sure I don't want to say that.
	I was just like, I want the same amount as Bonnie Blue.
	Yeah, no, for real.
	What are you going to say?
	I should be earning the same amount as the number one OnlyFans girl in the entire country, even though my body is mid and so is my God.
	I'm like, what?
	This is the issue with women's sports across the spectrum because I think people in soccer were having the same conversation.
	Like, we need to be paid as much as people who play like FIFA or whatever soccer.
	Yeah, but it's like, you're not selling out those stadiums, baby.
	They're all you could have high school men beat you at your pro sport.
	I think that's also a problem.
	Like, Serena Williams also gets beat by young men, and she makes on par, if not more, than what she deserves because she's in the women's category.
	So she's also stated multiple times that if she were to go against a man, she would lose most likely.
	Yeah, and that makes sense because men and women are different.
	It's just right.
	You have that that I sent you, Nick, if you could pull that up.
	So these are the WNBA salary rankings, listing the top salaries, cap hits.
	I have no idea what that is, but quarter million.
	So they're making, like, this is a lot of money.
	This is a lot of money.
	This is, I don't know what cap hit is.
	I don't, I'm not a.
	Do you know what that is?
	Is it just like a year, what they make in a year, basically?
	I would love to make that.
	How much they're allowed to make?
	Oh, I see.
	I see.
	Oh, the total cash.
	Okay.
	So, wait, this is that's pretty.
	This looks generous.
	How much does Caitlin Clark make?
	Is she not in English?
	I wish that was.
	On the total cash, could you click full ranks?
	Caitlin?
	Because maybe the one who's getting a lot of background.
	Yeah, right there.
	Just click full ranks.
	Yeah, attacking her own.
	Okay.
	Can you make it a little bit claised?
	Oh, Brittany Griner.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you can keep scrolling.
	I heard Brittany Griner speak.
	How much does Caitlin Clark make?
	She did what?
	She got a deep voice.
	Interesting.
	I was not expecting that.
	So it's only a little bit more.
	So it wouldn't be shown here.
	Scroll, scroll, keep going.
	Keep going down.
	So much more.
	Okay, so some of them are making billions and billions of dollars.
	But they're actually bringing in.
	I mean, think of what their stadiums are always.
	Are these numbers yearly or per game?
	I'm assuming it's per year.
	There she is.
	Caitlin Clark at the bottom.
	Caitlin Clark's in the country.
	And then just really quick, scroll back up to the very top.
	This doesn't include sponsors.
	Yeah, I was going to say they make more with like Mikey sponsors.
	Yeah, they got shoes and stuff.
	This is just for their playing, right?
	Obviously, the men make way more.
	Right.
	But $250,000 a year is nothing to sneeze at.
	It's good.
	Yeah, it's not a small thing.
	You can say games more fun.
	That's what I was thinking.
	You want to get paid more to a girl's basketball game.
	It's not fun.
	It's boring.
	It's not entertaining.
	It's not.
	All you guys want to do is pull each other's hair.
	I played women's soccer for almost 21 years.
	Let me tell you.
	I didn't watch it.
	I'm so angry.
	Caitlin Clark started getting bullied on the court, and that's been the biggest news I've heard beef with basketball in a while.
	It's just because it's boring.
	Girls pulling each other for a fight.
	Right?
	Like, I don't know.
	Crazy shit.
	Crazy shit.
	I think they should be grateful because they have access to a lot of liquid capital.
	They could do anything they want right now.
	So there should be no complaining.
	Yep.
	If I look, if I was the NBA commissioner that was overseeing the WNBA and they wore those shirts, right?
	WNBA is over.
	They're losing $50 million a year to promote this fucking dog.
	You would see more competitive play at the high school level for boys.
	And they're just so bad.
	We were going to show a clip of them playing basketball.
	Please do.
	But we didn't want to, like, they're so strict with copyright with sports broadcasts.
	It's boring.
	You hear like the squeaking of the shoes and then rolling of the ball.
	They're not getting the ball contested.
	They have like literally a free throw and they're missing it like half the fucking time.
	It's fucking crazy.
	I'm Canadian.
	You know all we watch is hockey.
	So that's it.
	No, that is a fun hockey's interruption.
	That's the epitome of like a capitalistic society is that you can make less than somebody else doing the same job based on views and popularity and all that.
	So like why wouldn't you be a bob when you can make literally the same or more than these girls?
	Wait.
	Why wouldn't you be a bop?
	Wait, you're gonna sell your ass or play WNBA.
	Same, same.
	Yeah, I got asthma.
	I'm not gonna play basketball.
	Your takeaway from this is capitalism bad because WNBA.
	No, I didn't say as bad.
	I said it's good.
	Oh, okay.
	She's like, why not be an online at a WW club?
	You can make more, I guess, as a escort.
	She says she makes $20,000 a month.
	Literally.
	Anyways, whatever.
	We have Josh Brooks.
	For the panel, what is your most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge story?
	Something that happened that really stuck with you through the years.
	Embarrassing for you or the other party.
	Thank you, Josh.
	Appreciate it.
	I feel like you have a good one.
	Go ahead.
	You got something?
	Embarrassing.
	I mean, aside from that Folsom Street Fair thing.
	Oh, my God.
	Were you embarrassed by that, though?
	That's a yeah, I'm not embarrassed by that.
	It's so funny.
	I let myself date a guy who told me that he was like a secret agent for like two months.
	And I this is so amazing.
	I moved in with him, and I wasn't even moved.
	I hadn't fully moved all my stuff in, and he asked if another girl could come live with us.
	And previous to me, he had had two girls in a polyamorous relationship with him.
	And so literally, not even all my stuff's at his house.
	He's a super spy.
	You know, I have no idea how he makes his money.
	Spectre gadget.
	Yeah, but I was like, eh, he makes me coffee every day.
	You said in your notes, he was an M16 black author.
	Yeah, he would.
	I promise you, this man like created a personality by watching like 13 hours or something.
	Like, okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I knew.
	I'm embarrassed because I should have just left, but I knew that he wasn't like a spy or something, but I was still like, okay, I could maybe tell you.
	It was because of the lifestyle he had.
	I was like, okay, I'll stick around.
	Any other embarrassing makes me feel dumb.
	Lindsay, embarrassing story?
	Okay.
	So I'll let it out though.
	I can't say any names here, but there was this NFL guy I used to go hook up in his charger with, and we'd go to the top of this like parking garage in Arizona.
	And we got caught by the cops, but I was butt naked, so I had to stay in the car.
	So then he went out and talked to them for us, thank God.
	But ever since then, like, I was so freaking embarrassed that I would make him smoke a bunch of weed and sign all the footballs for me so I could sell them later.
	I got catfish.
	I got catfished by a trans guy one time, and I didn't know that they were a trans guy.
	Yeah, that was like probably the craziest and most embarrassing.
	We'd gone out on one date, and I was like, dang, like, he's low-key short, which usually, like, I'm not like a being a tall king is not like a requirement.
	Like, my height, they're taller is ideal.
	And then we went out on a second date, and it was dinner in the movies.
	And then on the third date, he had like wanted to come back to my place after.
	And I was like, oh, you know, whatever.
	We can go watch, like, chill for a little bit, smoke or something.
	And basically, I guess he, his thought was that he was going to get me he, she, however, they identify at this point in time.
	I don't know.
	They thought they were going to get me so belligerently drunk that I basically wouldn't know that they were going to try to penetrate me with a strap on.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	That's borderline assault.
	Yeah.
	It was like borderline assault.
	And then like when I tried to like stop the engagement, they like flipped it and tried to like gaslight me and were calling me transphobic and all these like horrible things.
	They be doing that a lot.
	Yeah.
	And I was like, I just, they're like, you've been, you've been with girls before.
	I'm like, hold on, hold on.
	What does that have to do with what you're doing right now, sir, ma'am?
	Like, that, I don't think that quantifies the situation.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, oh my goodness.
	Like, great heavens.
	See, I'd say that's like the craziest thing that ever happened.
	They tried to get you tanked so you wouldn't know this.
	Yeah.
	And like had even, and this sounds really sad because I don't like to like take away from people that have had bad things happen to them, but they like made this huge, elaborate story about why they didn't like fellatio, like why they didn't want me to go down on them, why they didn't want me to touch them in certain areas.
	And basically they said that it was due to like things that had happened to them when they were a kid, which who knows, maybe that those things did happen to them.
	I don't know.
	But I was just trying to be respective of boundaries and not like press and not do things.
	And then basically they just didn't want me to touch them anywhere from about here down.
	Literally transforming.
	It sounds like trans and they had a strap on.
	It sounds like that person in Crash Out highly.
	Did you do a scene with the trans woman?
	It's with a group called Trans Daylight.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it was fun.
	But they had a penis.
	Yeah.
	It's totally fun.
	Those whole penises be looking weird.
	She had a penis.
	Yeah.
	They.
	Yeah, she was.
	Yes.
	So it was a transgender woman.
	No, she has male to female.
	Transmale to female.
	Oh, and they still had their penis.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But then it was a man-made penis.
	I'm like, those are scary.
	And extra parts, body-affirming type surgeries.
	Rock and roll.
	What about you?
	Crazy.
	No crazy dating.
	Okay, what about you?
	Crazy dating story?
	I think I might have two.
	I know when I lost my virginity, I almost killed him because he's allergic to peanut butter.
	What?
	Yeah.
	So he almost died, and his dad had to like help.
	And then I got caught giving Roadhead, and the person that pulled us over was his dad.
	Okay, those are cool.
	Congratulations.
	Damn.
	That was a good one.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't have anything.
	Nothing.
	Okay, Kate.
	What about you?
	I don't have anything as crazy as those girls.
	I got invited to hang out a couple of years ago for 4th of July with a guy.
	And we were hanging out with some friends of his on a private lake and stuff.
	I didn't eat enough and I didn't drink enough water.
	And on the way home, I threw up all over his dashboard and his windshield, like projectiles.
	Yes.
	On the freeway.
	So yeah, I didn't hear back from him.
	So.
	Riff.
	Chloe, what about you?
	You know what?
	I'm pretty tame.
	I never, I didn't date a whole lot in my life.
	However, I did.
	I do have one experience where the guy ended up.
	We were going on a date and we were meeting at a bar across from my apartment building.
	And I walked in and some man that I didn't even recognize was like, hi, over here.
	He used pictures from like 20 years ago.
	And like 10 minutes into the date, he told me that he had just gotten out of the penitentiary for aggravated assault.
	I'm like, wow.
	Oh, this is not going well, sir.
	Oh, my God.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	All right.
	We have a message here.
	Oh, you're crazy still.
	Yeah, we want a crazy dating.
	I've shared some before already.
	They've already, they've heard it before.
	They don't want to.
	I haven't.
	I hope Brian.
	Dave Richards, child support not only should be capped but eliminated.
	In a divorce, it should be 50-50 custody with no child support.
	It's a racket for women and the state.
	Brian, if you can look into the scam more.
	Okay.
	Not just women, because keep in mind, I pay, I'm not a lesbian.
	I pay for a lot of people.
	She's paying $3,000 to a man.
	Yeah, she pays $3,000 in child support.
	So, yeah, just the breadwinner.
	Although it is overwhelmingly the men who are paying the child support.
	I think there's another component here.
	Even in instances where the woman is the breadwinner, I think men are far less likely to pursue getting child support.
	I know in your case, you know, he did pursue the child support, but I think generally speaking, men are less likely to approach it with this attitude of like, I'm owed something, and they're less likely to go for it.
	I feel like men have been raised with that breadwinner mindset beaten into them.
	Is that they don't have that thought of like, oh, I can just ask somebody for help.
	They know like, I have to do this or else it won't be done.
	I don't like paying that much money.
	I feel kind of bitter about it sometimes, but at the end of the day, he is an exceptional father to both children.
	So at least there's a lot of people who are in the middle of Canada.
	Says the U.S. Crazy.
	It's crazy.
	I'm actually Canadian.
	I have two socials.
	Where are you from?
	What part?
	Vancouver.
	Oh, nice.
	I'm Alberta.
	Let's see.
	Going into the notes here.
	You know what?
	Why don't we see if there's any initial disagreements?
	So going to Gemma, you said that you disagree with some of the language used towards certain archetypes or professions, but that thought is inconsequential when it comes to freedom of speech and expression.
	So what were the disagreements when it comes to language that I guess either myself or some of my other guests have used?
	I guess I can just, let me try to get my words together.
	Honestly, I don't really have anything to say on that at the moment.
	Okay, sure.
	If something comes up, feel free.
	You also wrote financial disparagements between different races, sexes, and classes, marital partners.
	Does that prompt anything for you?
	I think I'm not sure at the moment.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, if it comes to you, just let me know.
	Here, why don't we just jump into this?
	Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	We do have somebody gone.
	So, you know what?
	We'll have to come back to that.
	We will get into a different note while we put that on hold.
	We have Lindsay.
	Okay, Lindsay, in your notes, you say you wanted to talk about how celebrities always want to F porn stars and escorts behind closed doors, but pretend they hate them or disagree on camera or with other people.
	You write that you've effed Trevor Wallace LaGerrett Blunt.
	Wait, hold on.
	What the fuck is that guy?
	Okay, no idea.
	Who's us?
	And then you also write, you follow this up.
	You've been asked to rim these athletes.
	Oh, my God.
	Why would you even say that?
	Who said that?
	Rim these athletes that are low-key gay, but pretend they're not.
	Why are you outing them?
	A lot of them.
	You?
	No, a lot of the athletes pretend that they're like super straight, but then they only want stuff done to their dirty star.
	Damn.
	Why would you say that, though?
	If you're out here sleeping with like high-level people, why would you even break confidentiality and be like, yeah, I lit that guy's asshole?
	Like, doesn't that just make you like a drink?
	I didn't sign an NDA.
	It was no NDA.
	No.
	That might matter other people.
	Okay, but if you come to my house and you shit your pants because you got so drunk, I didn't sign an NDA, but I'm probably not going to go on the internet and be like, this dumb bitch, shit her pants.
	Yeah.
	You could.
	You don't feel like you're not.
	I never have, but no.
	I mean, I feel bad for the wives at home that have these married men who are paying for me.
	No, they have wives.
	If you feel bad for them, then you're not sleeping.
	You don't feel that bad.
	I mean, I don't know this till later.
	But my point being, like, they're the ones paying me and seeking out me.
	Why do you?
	So, as long as there's money involved.
	I see.
	Why do you think it's your right to out somebody like that?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Especially.
	Why do they find it their right to sleep on their wife?
	They took care of you, though.
	You entered a confidentiality agreement whenever you decided to take money from that person.
	I didn't take money from that person.
	You entered a contract of refugee.
	I didn't take money on those.
	General human respect for somebody.
	I didn't take money from them.
	On a show like this.
	Sorry, it's very upsetting.
	To go on a show like this and name names and then talk about the things that you guys did behind closed doors in which he paid you to keep that secret.
	They didn't mean to get sued, actually.
	Either way.
	That's a pretty violent one.
	One, I didn't get paid.
	Even if you didn't get paid a lot of the guys in the game, they had no one to sleep with you now.
	And you were getting paid if you were doing stuff with all these high-level people.
	They're all going to leave.
	They're not going to leave.
	I'm not going to leave clients anymore.
	My point being so much clients.
	They're not even that high-level, but at the same time, like, first off, I didn't get paid.
	I know.
	We listen and we don't judge has totally left the room because it's just biased, depending on who you like in here.
	So anyway.
	No, I judge.
	No, but the point is if I didn't get paid, I didn't sign a confidentiality agreement.
	And that person and I, like, I just don't like the double standard where it's like.
	Wait, she didn't even specify who the athlete is.
	Yes, she did.
	She named names.
	She named names.
	Yeah, but she didn't say that those specific guys were the low-key gay ones that she wanted to do.
	She implied it.
	No, that's a different one.
	She implies it.
	Yeah.
	That is the implication.
	Yeah, Brian.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Do you want to work with anybody ever again?
	Who the fuck is Lajerette?
	Who the fuck is LaJerette?
	Am I saying his name right?
	Big enough for her to name drop him, I guess.
	Somebody will look it up.
	Lajaré Blunt.
	I don't know who the fuck.
	I don't know who it is.
	It's LeGarrette.
	LeGarrette Bland.
	I just think it's funny that you are now all like.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	We don't listen.
	We listen and we don't judge.
	When, like, my first impression of you was outside when you and your friend, in between, talking about what kind of plastic surgery y'all want, you were talking about how shitty this podcast is.
	It's just a dumb podcast, how shitty Brian is.
	And now you want to sit here and be like, we listen and we don't judge.
	Do you understand the implications of like essentially outing somebody on the internet?
	I feel like it should be illegal because, especially if you look within the black community, homophobia is so rampant where it actually ends in like acts of violence.
	So I don't even know who you just name-dropped.
	But number one, you just fucked your chances of ever getting a big name client.
	But number two, your actions could have indirectly caused harm to come to somebody else.
	And I just want to say that.
	Don't think that their actions cause indirect harm to their family by hiring a girl.
	You hire money from me.
	You are on no moral high ground.
	But also, also, I want to clear the air because where were you outside?
	Because it wasn't.
	Wait, stop, Hold on.
	Yeah, we can't be talking specifics.
	Don't.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not going to talk about location.
	I'm not going to talk about location.
	I'm saying, like, I have Lucy Lotus, who was with me last time, was on the phone, and I was talking to her, and I never even talked about this podcast at all.
	I don't know.
	During that phone conversation, anything I just said.
	What you just said, because you just made a blatant lie trying to say that I was talking badly about the podcast.
	And I thought we were homies.
	That's my point.
	Lucy Lotus and I love the show.
	Okay, so that women's friend to be here with me.
	Lucy wanted to see you again.
	When your friend with the Botox comes out, she's going to deny that, right?
	That was never said.
	I'm just making it up.
	I just came on this podcast to lie.
	You are welcome to reach out to Lucy Lotus.
	I don't know who that is.
	No, she's saying when she's in the middle of the friend with the Botox, when she comes out and I ask her, she's going to have that.
	She's listening, so she probably will back you up.
	But I honestly was standing right there and I don't even remember.
	So I can't help.
	I don't know if it was her or the other girl, but I did hear.
	It was all of them.
	It was all three of them.
	Thank you.
	I was there.
	I don't recall.
	Chloe.
	What were they saying?
	Tell me what they were saying.
	I was talking about how scared they were about me.
	Tell me about what they said about me.
	I want to know.
	My whole point is: you can't come on here and be like, listen and don't judge when you were like judging before you even came in here.
	So judgmental, Lucy.
	You are so judgmental.
	Let's keep the same energy.
	I judged.
	You know what?
	I totally am in the space.
	Okay.
	I can't.
	At the end of the day, I'm still fed and go home.
	I don't care.
	At the end of the day, I still spread my legs for money, so who cares?
	Yeah, you know, disgusting cats I'm going to die with.
	I just, I think it's kind of messed up, though, that you're judging the men for sleeping on their wives when you take money for sex.
	That makes you worse.
	Taking money for you.
	How can you judge them for that when you're doing something that is arguably about on the same level?
	It's all adultery.
	Okay, but hang on.
	You said that they didn't pay you.
	Yeah, the ones that I mentioned there, I did not get paid for.
	No, I'm not talking about them.
	I'm saying in general, you've been saying, oh, these men are pieces of crap.
	You're saying that they cheat on their wives with me.
	But you're saying it's on the same level of adultery, but I'm not in a committed relationship.
	Adultery doesn't just necessarily mean a committed relationship.
	Years ago, like for a long time, adultery meant sleeping with anybody outside of being married.
	Okay, so on top of almost every man of that.
	You take money for it, you're not on like a higher moral ground than those men.
	I'm not saying I am, but when you're going back just to say, when you're saying they deserve it because they cheat on their wives, you are putting them below you.
	You are saying you are worse than me because you cheat on your wife.
	No, if anything, I'd say be smarter and make people sign NDAs for sure.
	But what you were just talking about.
	That's not what you said.
	You said these men are women.
	80% of them.
	80% of the only fans are in the middle of the moment.
	Do you realize how many men are married?
	Do you realize how much harder it would be for those men to cheat on their wives if no women were willing to sleep with them?
	But wait, what?
	That doesn't even make an argument.
	A man's going to go find the woman.
	Someone is willing.
	No, if women were chased until marriage, the men would not be sleeping and cheating on their wives.
	It's not even just women.
	What about the animals who get abused?
	The animals.
	That would just fuck under God.
	They talk about it.
	Like, oh, if we weren't here for them to sleep with, they would just be honorable.
	They'd be loyal.
	They wouldn't be able to find them.
	The women to sleep with if they're not.
	You're right, so then they'd fuck something else.
	They would get homie-headed.
	Okay, but otherwise cheating on me.
	That's why we have a lot of people who are not.
	So why are you going to help them cheat on their wives?
	I'm not helping them with anything.
	They sought out me.
	You're there to do it.
	If there was no women available to do it.
	Okay, so what do you mean the perspective?
	Put this in perspective, okay?
	So are you also.
	Do you think that if you make something, if you criminalize something, that's not a problem.
	I'm not saying criminalizing.
	No, no, no, but hold on.
	If you think that you're going to criminalize something, everybody's just going to stop doing it.
	I'm not saying criminalizing it.
	That didn't bring up anything.
	But then what's your solution?
	For women to decide as a whole in the society that it's better for society if women don't open their legs and sleep.
	And what do you think is going to happen?
	Then the men won't have women to cheat.
	And what?
	They're just going to be celibate?
	They're not going to find anything else?
	They might find something else, but I think they do find something else.
	I think they do.
	It's children.
	Society.
	It's animals.
	It's no.
	If men are sleeping with them.
	No, Pull up the statistics.
	I don't know how to speak about it.
	I'm not going to let you imply that if men aren't sleeping with somebody, they're going to go sleep with children.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	There were men that shot up schools.
	That is so ridiculous.
	There were men who shot up schools because they weren't.
	Okay, so because they're not sleeping with somebody, they're going to go shoot up schools.
	No.
	That's ridiculous.
	Keep talking.
	How?
	Did we get here?
	Okay, all right.
	I lost the thread.
	I want you to damn it, and I won't have to.
	Men are able to cheat on their wives because there are women available to do it with.
	If the women were not doing that, the men would not be cheating on their wives.
	You're so naive.
	With who?
	Maybe not an escort, but some lady at the bar.
	No.
	Oh, they would do it at the hedge of HR culture.
	If all women in society decided we are not going to sleep with men unless they marry us.
	Okay, then we create an incel culture.
	No, you create a culture where men actually work to earn a lot of people.
	Then they grab women a loophole.
	Tommy, you're giving men morals that they don't have.
	But if you don't have the ones who would do it, it's not giving them morals.
	It's forcing that on them.
	It's taking the options.
	They graped women in the past when you're in the middle of the morning.
	That makes that man a piece of crap.
	Right, and that's a lot of them.
	Yeah, and they're a lot less likely to do that when they have it available.
	You're not understanding at all.
	Because she's because you're naive.
	No, I am not naive.
	You are.
	Okay, wait.
	I can help here.
	You are good at mental gymnastics, right?
	You're like Andrew Tate.
	You'll see that.
	How's the 18, and you'll be like, well, you're not going to get it.
	So, B minus, what did you get?
	No, I know.
	I can't imagine that you were mad about how much money I make, but it's like, just because you didn't make that doesn't mean other girls are making it.
	Nobody's mad about how much money I'm going to do.
	I made 1.8 million.
	Thank you.
	And I didn't sleep with one person to do it.
	But here, you're good at mental gymnastics, right?
	So she'll say something and you'll be like, well, men, fuck dogs.
	What she's trying to say is, you cannot sell crack and then be like, well, fuck these crackheads.
	You are contributing to men.
	No, listen, Phil, please.
	You are because you're saying fuck these cheaters.
	Yeah.
	But you are taking money.
	No, because you're trying to say these poor men.
	Nobody saying that.
	Nobody said poor men.
	These men, these poor men.
	Nobody said these poor men.
	You are not logically thinking this through.
	If society as a whole, if all of the women in the whole world decided, hey, we aren't going to be able to do that.
	That's never going to happen.
	Let me finish.
	This is a convolutional.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish, please.
	Go ahead.
	It might not make sense, but there is a lot less cheating happening if there is no women available to cheat with.
	There will always be women to cheat with.
	You're coming up with a society that doesn't fucking exist, though.
	You're kind of impulsive.
	You're coming up with an ideal or a creative.
	You're missing the point.
	You are making it so, so available and so easy that it is degrading society as a woman.
	It's so available and so easy that every guy that wants to cheat on his wife is going to come do that with you.
	Not you specifically cheating, but women in general.
	Women being open for that in general is degrading society as a whole.
	A man deciding to cheat on his wife is not the same as him coming to me, a professional, who puts herself out there as a professional online for this type of work and paying me for a service.
	That is not my fault.
	If he's married, it's your fault.
	Staying with their wives.
	I'm not saying it's your fault.
	I exist.
	I'm not saying it's your fault.
	No, not because you exist.
	It's because you are out there putting your legs open.
	I'm not out there putting my legs open.
	There's a market for cheaters.
	So if there's a market in a capitalist society, men are going to pay into that if they really want that.
	There's a market for everything.
	Correct.
	Drugs, sex.
	I just, but you making it available in that market is the reason why there's a lot of cheaters, perhaps.
	I feel I'm falling flat on the concept that you were bringing up: if all women in the world didn't open their legs for men, there'd be less cheaters.
	Fucking duh.
	Yes, you got it.
	Aces.
	Like, but that's not a world that will ever exist.
	No, but the less women there are doing it, the harder you make it for a man to cheat.
	Okay.
	The less cheating is going to happen.
	People are talking about it.
	Let's talk about Japan or China.
	And they're.
	Why are they cheating?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like the issue of there being too many men because all the women left.
	And now they are literally hiring people from the U.S. to come in and make babies.
	They didn't allow.
	The women didn't leave.
	They have a birth rate crisis.
	Because they were killing all the women.
	Because the women have the women.
	Yeah.
	There's a good ability.
	That was a political decision.
	Well, I'm going to redirect this a little bit here, but who you said that you effed Trevor Wallace?
	Is he an athlete?
	He's a comedian.
	He's like a TikToker.
	Oh.
	And that's pretty.
	He's a comedian.
	That's kind of messed up for you to even put that out here, honestly.
	He doesn't care.
	And I love it.
	The statement that started this whole conversation was that you said big-time athletes or whatever who are closeted in their sexual interests and fantasies, and then you name them.
	They are still in those things.
	Wait, can you read your story again, please?
	She wrote.
	She wrote that she's been asked to rim these athletes that are low-key gay, but pretend they're not.
	Yes, they're literally pretending they're not.
	Did they ask you like that?
	Because you said that they didn't pay you.
	I'm going to make this very clear.
	The two names I put in there are not the men who are closeted.
	But the two men I named were men that I slept with and was not paid for and did not sign any confidential agreement for.
	But it was a consensual, fun experience.
	But yet online and virtually and in public, these men like to pretend that they can't associate with our industry, even though they are behind closed doors all the time.
	Yeah, just people specifically.
	You could have just why would you talk about the stuff you're doing?
	She didn't name names, though.
	I know, but you're out on the street.
	You're fucking a guy with a strap on, and you're going to then judge me for what I'm doing.
	I don't know if you guys anything about my personal life.
	Because the internet doesn't need to know.
	I'll give you the gist, but like saying, I honestly, I don't think it was appropriate to go as hardcore onto you and your past relationships.
	Anyways, we have a super chat related to this, though.
	Psychomantis 831, thank you for the super chat.
	By her own logic, she's providing a service to people who would otherwise essay children and animals.
	Can we ask her how she feels about giving pleasure to monsters?
	Because your position is if these men didn't go to you for sexual release, they would then commit these crimes.
	So you're thus sexually servicing these monsters or predators.
	No, that's not the statement I made.
	The statement I made was in response to what she said, which was a statement claiming, you know, if there were not any women in the world who would open their legs to men until they got married, that it would not happen.
	That there would not be, you know, adultery in society.
	But that's just not true.
	Because it wouldn't happen.
	There would be a lot less of it.
	If it's a lot harder for them to access, there's a lot less of it.
	And you responded with, what about the animals and the children?
	Yeah, he is.
	Which is what I'm saying.
	It's imply that that's what men are going to do if they're not getting sex.
	Yeah.
	Because what I'm saying is if their society protect the goats, lock the goats.
	Lock up your goats.
	Because what I'm saying is goat fuckers are loose.
	The goat fuckers are running wild.
	Oh my God.
	These poor OnlyFans girls, we ban OnlyFans and the goats.
	You got to sell your goat stocks.
	Oh my God.
	You're about to get all kinds of fences.
	Shit.
	What were you saying?
	Like, what point were you trying to arrive at?
	What I was saying was, I'm not saying all men or anything like that, but what I'm saying is there are men who assault those things.
	It's all men.
	And so to argue that men would be so honorable that they wouldn't cheat, you know, more if there were women not available is just invalid because there's men committing sexual acts to so invalid other things as well.
	I can agree with you.
	The people that are going to go out and diddle goats are going to diddle their women.
	They're going to do it whether or not there's women sleeping with them.
	They're doing it because that's what they want to do, not because they can't get a woman necessarily.
	I also want to say that.
	What about the monkeys?
	Are the monkeys at risk?
	But at the same time, you can't be like, I need to make that bad boom pussy.
	That baboom pussy off the chain.
	Oh, God.
	That's the line of there.
	Dave Brian knows.
	I love Dave Chappelle.
	Dave Chappelle has a joke on this.
	Look, I love you.
	Once you get some monkey pussy, you're out of the human pussy game.
	Once you've done fucked a monkey, you can't fuck a chimp on Tuesday and fuck Doreen on Thursday.
	It's a rep. It's a rep. You're out of the human pussy game for good.
	Was that kind of monkeypox?
	Because at some point, monkeypox was a thing.
	That was because of like gay activity, which I did here.
	I thought you were a bitch.
	Fun facts, that's all.
	Get too excited, but interesting.
	That's right, dude.
	I can't imagine.
	We've stepped over.
	So if you're into that, go to the bottom.
	Starbucks.
	Guys, guys, guys, guys, one at a time.
	One at a time.
	Y'all over talking to each other.
	Easy being breezy.
	Don't worry, guys.
	All these OF3FOs are going to be replaced by AI chat bots and sex robots in a few years.
	And they won't have a job anymore.
	And we won't have to worry about dudes doing dogs.
	Oh, look at that.
	There you go.
	This conversation got so dark so fast.
	AI chatbot.
	I actually have a title.
	Take away money.
	If OnlyFans gets banned in the USA, have you guys thought about what you would do?
	Do you have money saved?
	Do you have a backup plan?
	Do you have education?
	I'm a full-time veterinary technician.
	I never stop.
	Yeah, you're like, I got a job.
	Yeah, no breaks.
	Yeah.
	She's good.
	She's fine.
	What would you do?
	I mean, I already had that job and I can go right back to it.
	What job?
	What job?
	I was corporate Amazon for three years.
	Corporate Amazon.
	Do you have a degree?
	Did you give Bezos a candy?
	Or was that?
	Is that the next person you're outing?
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Also, Lindsay, just to finish up your notes really quick, you said you've done over 200 plus scenes in your adult film career.
	Okay.
	You said you have some interesting, traumatic, and surprising dating stories, including Christianity, virginity, polygamy, and emotional codependency.
	Although I think, oh, those are your old notes.
	We talked about some of that stuff last time.
	What was your take, though, on virginity?
	Like, in what way?
	Yeah.
	In what sense?
	I've taken a lot of virginity.
	Did you take Trevor's virginity?
	No, no, no, no.
	Does that guy run through like half of Pasadena or what?
	Probably half of AVN.
	I don't know.
	Trevor's.
	He fucks a bunch of OF girls or her?
	Oh, yeah.
	Dude, Young Gravy was at the AVN show.
	Oh, we found him.
	They're all in that world.
	They just don't publicize it.
	They want to be able to do it.
	I don't know.
	But these guys have a bunch of clout.
	They make a good money.
	They're famous, whatever.
	Why do you need to fuck OF girls?
	I don't understand.
	Because we do it best.
	Okay.
	Because it's easier.
	Bro, you know what?
	Normal girls.
	Yeah.
	These girls, these porn stars are like, oh, we're better.
	No, I guess I'm not going to be able to do it.
	I guarantee you that Asian girl in the library with the glasses, she's throwing it.
	Oh, yeah, she's throwing it back better than anybody else.
	Let me tell you, dude, that bio-major, the bio-major, who goes like this with her glasses in the library and she wears sweatpants every day, bro.
	We got like the most educated woman here sitting at the table out of all of us, I'm sure.
	You know what?
	Can I say something in regards to that, though?
	I think a lot of times I have seen men come on this podcast bragging about 300 body counts, talking about girls with like 11 bodies are disgusting.
	And I just want to point out that the men who are sleeping with all these women with like syphilis still coming out of their dick have no fucking place to sit here and like tell women that they're gross because y'all both are gross, in my opinion.
	I would not date a man that has a body count of like it depends on his age, to be honest, but like I have turned down.
	I was seeing someone like a couple years ago and I didn't sleep with him because he was 28 and told me he lost count at 48 bodies.
	And I'm just like, ew, like you don't respect sex.
	I'm another notch in your belt.
	You're probably not going to talk to me tomorrow morning.
	Like, I just want that.
	Sometimes on this podcast, there's like some double standards, especially when it comes to body count.
	I just want to make that very clear that you are not cool if you go around fucking a bunch of women.
	You are just as much of a hoe.
	Also, if you're making spreading diseases, spreading diseases and EV and talking about men.
	And they're like, oh, you guys sleep around a bunch and then they come and they say, but I want a virgin.
	Literally, yeah.
	Hypocritical.
	So I've repeatedly said that I think promiscuity is bad in both men and women.
	However, there are just certain realities where I do think it's the case.
	Again, it's bad for both.
	I think it's worse in women.
	I think it's worse than women.
	One of the biological realities, of course, is the risk of pregnancy.
	So when a woman's promiscuous, and of course, look, men can get on the hook for child support.
	That can fuck up their lives, whatever.
	But I think having an unintended pregnancy does have a bit larger of a burden on somebody's life than the male component of that consequence.
	I disagree.
	That's heavily.
	Well, I'm not saying that like unwanted children.
	Are you like coming from the angle of, well, unwanted children are a blessing?
	No, I'm coming from the angle that if a man goes out and impregnates women, he has next to no options.
	Whereas if a woman gets pregnant, there's multiple different forms.
	We have safe haven law, we have adoption, there's foster care, there is abortions.
	Whereas a man, like you knock up one woman and that's it.
	You're financially fucked.
	You're trapped.
	You're in the show.
	You don't really have a decision.
	They say women don't open their legs, but like zip up your zipper.
	So you're the one paying.
	Are you dumb?
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	And I agree with you there that if in the event the woman wants to keep it, the man has no options.
	The woman has multiple options as to how she can kind of proceed.
	I guess the one-to-one comparison I'm making, though, is that in the event that the woman does keep the child, I would say that, yeah, being forced to have to pay child support for 18 years for like you didn't intend or want to get this woman pregnant, that really, really sucks.
	But I also think that, you know, the component, the burden on the woman there is also quite significant in that, you know, she's got to raise the kid.
	She has to financially support the child also.
	I think that the ramifications there are greater.
	The child support burden is a burden, but I think having to actually raise the child and also, you know, there's a the woman also has to financially support it.
	I think that's a bigger burden than the child, just strictly the child support.
	But I would disagree with you.
	How's that?
	Well, I guess it probably depends state to state, but I know there are some states where the amount of support that a single mother can get makes it so that she's hardly actually raising the child.
	Yeah, not to mention women have access to birth control.
	So this isn't the 1900s or the 60s or the 40s or however many women are on birth control.
	You even made a note about birth control alarms, right?
	Like we're all on birth control.
	So the risk is greater for men because they don't even have access to birth control.
	So there's also the risk of birth control.
	So sorry, y'all aren't on birth control, but you do escorting/slash online.
	That's risky.
	I haven't gotten escorting since I was 22.
	That's insane, actually.
	It's not just, that's insane to me.
	Because you might end up pregnant and have no clue whose kid it is.
	Literally.
	I'm getting an abortion regardless.
	Who's my dad?
	Well, funny story.
	But isn't that messed up to say okay?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	It takes away the man's choice.
	I'm not going to be fucking everywhere.
	We're women.
	What do you expect?
	And lots of people here have ADHD.
	To the argument that I was trying to make, though, women do have a higher reproductive cost.
	I agree with you.
	There's a lot of ways that an unintended pregnancy can go.
	She could just abort it, whatever.
	But what I'm saying here is one of the reasons that promiscuity in women is judged a bit more harshly.
	And assuming, you know, maybe these women are in states or countries where abortion is not legal.
	So, again, yes, child support is a massive burden that is something that men have to deal with.
	But the actual getting pregnant and then what that's going to mean potentially for your future romantic and dating prospects, I think single mothers tend to struggle a bit more than single fathers do when it comes to dating.
	There is a bit of a stigma there.
	I'm not saying that it should be the case.
	I'm just descriptively saying that there is a bit more of a stigma when it relates to single mothers.
	Another reason why it's a little bit more stigmatized too is because if a woman has a reputation for being promiscuous, if she does get pregnant through a guy that she's seeing, he might wonder, is it actually his or not?
	If she's been extremely important, that biologically tends to make men more jealous and more prone to, hey, I want a woman who hasn't been with very many people because I want to know that when she is pregnant, it is mine.
	Well, it does have an evolutionary and biological basis here, also, aside from just what I was just speaking about, is prior to the 1980s when DNA testing kind of came about, how would you make an accurate, 100% certain determination whether the kid is yours?
	The best way to do that is for her to be objectively, truthfully a virgin and have not had sex before.
	So there's an evolutionary basis for men who have a greater disgust factor towards female promiscuity than women have a disgust factor towards male promiscuity.
	I would say that the like the disgust factor as it relates to like STD risk, that's perhaps equivalent between men and women because both men and women can we can each get any of these STDs from a sexual encounter.
	But when it comes to paternity certainty or paternity uncertainty, if a man has 10 wives and they're all loyal to him and he sleeps with all of them, there's no doubt as to who the father and the mother is in all instances.
	But when a woman, if she has 10, if she has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them at the same time, you don't know who the father is up until 40, 50 years ago when we started having DNA paternity testing.
	So, and even though we now have DNA testing, that doesn't undo hundreds and thousands of years of evolution.
	Yeah.
	Speaking of biology, children, babies, when they're born, they most often, if not always, tend to look like their father because that's like a way that human beings throughout evolution, like dads, have been able to identify their babies better.
	But also, this is like this has been a conversation that's been on forever and ever and ever.
	And I don't necessarily agree with it.
	My fiancé is also one of those people that's like, it's okay if a man, you know, has more bodies than a woman, but it just comes down to like women, we seem to be valued based off of keeping ourselves more modest and more sacred, I guess, if you will.
	Whereas men are valued based off of whether they can get those women.
	So nobody is really benefiting here.
	One is holding off because they don't want to be less desirable.
	And one is trying to impose on that desirability because he wants to be more desirable.
	You see what I mean?
	So we're both just fucking each other in a not fun way.
	I have a chat coming through from Clain.
	Sorry for the delay on this, man.
	Thank you.
	I'm just surprised Red Top.
	Black Hair is getting paid by anyone.
	She used to deliver packages.
	Now she receives them.
	So far, the only ones making any sense are the ones sitting next to Brian.
	Oh, thank you.
	Oh, there you go.
	All right, Clain.
	Hey, this is Clain.
	It's been a minute.
	Where have you been, man?
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Thank you so much for your patronage.
	Clain is a giga chat.
	Hold on.
	Let's see here.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Hey, Clain.
	This guy.
	A couple months ago, he sent in some very generous champagne pops.
	I do remember that, Clane.
	So thank you very much for your patronage.
	If somebody wants to do a champagne pop, you know.
	Please, can somebody have a chance?
	All right, we have David Richards.
	It's disgusting what Chair Seven is doing to her ex with the alimony.
	Massive lesson once again for men not to get married.
	Imagine taking care of a woman, then for her to stab you in the back with alimony.
	Who's Chair Seven?
	That's me.
	Kate next to me.
	He left her, so how is she?
	I'm just confused.
	Talk to this person.
	Was it Dead Bedroom by the end of the?
	It was rough for most of our relationship because our relationship was never very good.
	I didn't feel attractive.
	He didn't do anything to make me feel attractive.
	He was pretty clear that he wasn't attracted to me.
	And it's really hard to want to get naked in front of somebody when they're not attracted to you.
	So he married a woman he wasn't attracted to?
	And you guys were dating for like three months?
	Yeah, we weren't dating very long.
	And then just as when once we got married, things just kind of went down pretty quickly.
	What a dick.
	What a dick.
	Brian, what's your longest relationship?
	Five years.
	So did you ever?
	It ended, so I assume it wasn't great.
	Have you ever been in a relationship with somebody where like, you know, maybe the things they promised they didn't follow through on?
	Maybe they started saying some mean shit to you just because shit got tough in the relationship.
	Like, I feel like sometimes, and I love this podcast, but sometimes there's this overtone where it's just like always the woman.
	And we need to acknowledge, both as men and women, that there are toxic relationships.
	And there are definitely relationships where somebody, it enters in really good.
	That's why people date.
	And then sometimes shit changes.
	Sometimes you do lose attraction to the person.
	Sometimes you just aren't the person you said you were going to be.
	Like, it's not a black and white world.
	Let's not sit here and pretend like she's a villain just because she got a lot of people.
	Wait, I love it.
	Were you not listening to anything I just said?
	Because I said that he was a dick.
	Yeah, but I never know when you're being serious.
	She's more responding to the comment of what everybody likes.
	You were asking me the question.
	So I was just a bit confused because in this situation, I was a bit puzzled.
	I asked you because you are a man on this podcast, and I feel like you should.
	I am.
	Thank you.
	I feel like if you can relate to that, it might help the male audience relate a little better and just might be a little softer, you know?
	And ultimately, I don't think that I was perfect in the relationship either.
	Neither of us were good spouses to the other person.
	I think he would agree with that.
	And neither of us have ill will towards each other.
	I wish him all the best.
	I think he wishes me the best.
	You know, there's no hard feelings there between us.
	Sure.
	It just was something that I think both of us did a little bit of, hey, I'm this person.
	And then when you're married three, four, five years into it, kind of going, oh, wait a second.
	I'm not that person.
	You're not that person.
	You know, I was 19 when I got married.
	I didn't know who I was entirely.
	So he was in the military and he married you for the benefits.
	That's kind of the impression I get.
	No, that wasn't the case at all.
	We wouldn't have stayed together for nine years if it was for the benefits.
	Married after three months of dating.
	He wanted to get the military.
	No, it was not for the benefits.
	He was getting stationed somewhere else.
	It had nothing.
	Why would he marry me for the benefits if he had to pay to support me after getting married to me?
	That's a good point.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	I don't know.
	He did not marry me for the benefits.
	Okay, I don't know what the fuck this guy was doing.
	I'm liking Brian.
	I'm liking you more and more, Brian.
	He has a beard situation.
	I'm definitely liking you more and more.
	Also, it's typical for men in the military to get married fast, is what I've said.
	That's a very, very, very common thing.
	I don't know.
	They get married very quickly and they usually pop out two or three babies very quickly.
	It's like something in the water with the military.
	Sometimes it's because if you're married, you get like a spousal home.
	Right, that's right.
	Yeah, you can't get it.
	Depending on your rank.
	Ryan's like, well, that would be benefits.
	Yeah.
	Don't say it right.
	No, you're mine.
	You're right.
	Well, yeah, they don't have to live in the barracks or whatever.
	Okay, so Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting?
	Why can't you pick seven?
	Because everybody will pick seven.
	Ask Kevin Samuels.
	Where are you, Kevin Samuels?
	Jehan?
	Eight.
	Okay, what about you?
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah.
	R.I.P.M. Five.
	I'm a Tempe five and a half.
	I'm a Portland, Oregon, nine.
	What about the Phoenix?
	Phoenix?
	I totally agree with you on that because I live in Seattle and it's about the same as Portland.
	Phoenix?
	That's borderline.
	It could go either way.
	I'm like a 6.5.
	6.5 in Phoenix.
	Higher in Phoenix than in Tempe?
	Well, yeah, because Phoenix is a little more ghetto.
	The area I lived in.
	Scottsdale, I'm like a four.
	Scottsdale?
	What a clever response.
	You're not four.
	Everybody makes sense.
	Yeah, this is location specific.
	Oh, 100%.
	Nobody's album is always location specific.
	Denver 8.
	Order is like a Congo.
	Shit.
	Real low.
	Real low.
	Like one.
	Anywhere tropical or exotic or like anything.
	I'm not going to be top rate.
	What about North Korea?
	Like a 10?
	A 10.
	9.
	No, depending.
	Oh, yeah, that's valid.
	I'm 10.
	Same as last time, 6.5.
	All right, 6.5.
	Wow, Carl, you're pretty.
	No, I think I'm like an 8.
	Okay.
	I'm going to say 8.2.
	8.2.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm going to say 6.
	6?
	Okay, cool.
	I'm a solid 2.
	I say it all the time.
	Actually, actually.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	No, I'm doing.
	I'm an 8.
	Yes.
	There you go.
	Actually, I'm 8.5.
	Going for the tattoos.
	I think I'd be a 10, but hey, we're here.
	Everybody makes mistakes.
	The tooth gap, the tooth gaps.
	Casey.
	Thank you for the shop.whatever.com purchase.
	Thank you getting a t-shirt there, Casey.
	Appreciate it.
	I give myself a five.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no too crazy ratings there, I guess.
	You don't think my 10 was a little wild?
	Oh, did you say 10?
	I picked up the task.
	Without tattoos.
	Without tattoos, yeah.
	My 8.2 was low, so I'm going to jack it up to 8.5.
	And then we like to round up, so that's fine.
	Question for you.
	Can you give us a guy who you think is a 8.5 that's in your league, I guess?
	That's in my league?
	Yeah, looks-wise.
	Like maybe somebody we can Google who's out of the work or something.
	Well, all the actors are probably out of my league because we don't come into contact with each other.
	Well, I'm not saying you would actually have an opportunity to meet them.
	Really, Brian?
	Like, who would you consider?
	Who would you consider that we would meet?
	You grew up there in San Francisco or wherever.
	Sacramento.
	They're not out there.
	They're not there.
	You're not in LA.
	I don't know.
	I don't really know people except for major actors.
	Like Ryan Reynolds.
	What would you Ryan Reynolds?
	Is he white?
	Yeah, it's the Deadpool guy.
	He's like Canadian.
	Oh, the Deadpool guy.
	White guys?
	Actually, I'm opening up myself to date white men.
	So if you're just, what would you rate Idris Elba?
	Igris Elba is like a straight line.
	Yeah.
	Oh, right.
	So you're 0.5 below's Elba?
	Idris Elba?
	I mean, yes.
	Who is that?
	He's in the Dark Tower.
	You can pull it up.
	He was in the running to be James Bond.
	He was in the Austrians.
	He was down.
	I got that guy.
	He could totally get it.
	With the accents?
	He's married.
	I don't break up homes.
	So that's just 10 years ago.
	He's already off the table.
	I think if you take away the actor part of it and him being a successful actor, if he was a normal dude, yeah, 100%.
	Yeah, you've got to drink.
	100% what?
	I could hit that.
	I think she could hit that now.
	I think she could pull.
	He could hit me.
	But like a good time.
	He did it in a fun way.
	Not my ass, not my face.
	Who passed away?
	Wait, Brian, what did you rate yourself?
	Five.
	A five.
	Why?
	Not just because you don't want us to say anything.
	Yeah, why?
	No, because if you can't say seven, I would say an eight, but why would you say a five?
	Hold on.
	Because I'm thinking critically.
	I think you're being real.
	I think you feel good numbers.
	Oh, at least an eight in North Korea.
	Yes.
	I'm getting unalive to North Korea.
	They're like, we can't have this Y point fucking our North Korean company.
	You're like a 10 in Thailand.
	I wonder if there's hookup culture in North Korea.
	I don't think they're worried about it.
	They're starving.
	They're starving.
	They're literally starving and starving, bro.
	We have no idea.
	Some playboy fuckboy went to North Korea And he fucked too many North Korean women And they just fucking imprisoned him For being a fucking slut They would, dude The person who's doing my blackout tattoo On my leg They noticed my split tongue And they told me Show it to the camera They need a reference Okay, there you go.
	If I was in like North Korea or South Korea, I'd probably either be executed or like put in jail.
	They'd call us kitchens.
	Yeah.
	They'd call them what?
	Witches.
	Witches.
	The Salem witch trials.
	Yeah, because they were when I were there.
	They were literally like, oh, no way.
	That would not happen in my country.
	You must be pretty bummed that you can't travel to North Korea.
	Yeah, I'm pretty damned.
	I'm pretty sad about it, honestly.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Well, good time.
	Oh, going around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Starting with you.
	So you're 27, better looking at 37?
	I definitely believe I will start faltering in my looks.
	And I mean, with working out and different Botoxes or surgeries or whatever, you can stay looking like the same, like Beyoncé.
	Surgery or no surgery, bro.
	I don't believe I'll look like that.
	So let's do this, though.
	For this question, no plastic surgery.
	Okay.
	No plastic surgery, and you remain your same weight.
	I don't believe I would be more attractive 10 years from now.
	Okay.
	I mean, I'm already 27.
	Yeah, I feel like I'm at the most attractive I've ever been in my life right now compared to me before.
	Well, yeah, so say compared to 18, more attractive now versus 18.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think it was weird looking.
	Lindsay, 29.
	Will you be better looking at 39?
	No.
	Into the mic, please.
	No.
	Okay, and then were you better looking at 19?
	No.
	So better looking now?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	For you, you're 29, better looking in 10 years' time at 39.
	No.
	Okay, and then were you better looking 10 years ago at 19?
	Also, no.
	So better looking now.
	Yeah, now.
	Jade, the Warwick Report, 27, better looking in 10 years' time.
	She's been stunning forever.
	Look at her.
	I think I'm at my peak right now.
	Peak now.
	So better looking than at say like 18, 19.
	We talked about this last time because I fixed my teeth.
	Disregard previous convos.
	Okay, fine.
	Well, I had British teeth, you know, 10 years ago.
	Right.
	Now I got braces.
	So yeah.
	If your teeth had been just as good as they are now 10 years ago, better looking.
	I think it would have been more attractive.
	More attractive time.
	I would have to have more like collagen in my face.
	Or you just kept your mouth closed.
	Ryan.
	Ryan.
	No, it's just the mouth closed now versus mouth closed.
	Suggler face.
	I didn't even do that too.
	We wouldn't have been able to tell you.
	See your teeth.
	Okay.
	Okay, thanks.
	Thanks.
	Okay, thanks.
	Bye.
	Okay, you're 28, better looking in 10 years' time at 38.
	I think I look great at 38.
	Will you be just as good as that?
	It doesn't count.
	She has Botox in her face.
	That doesn't count.
	Me?
	I have Botox on my face.
	Where?
	But I take very compared with my health.
	Like, I do NDA.
	I do all that good stuff.
	Show of hands.
	Who here has had Botox?
	Show of hands?
	Show of hands.
	My forehead would not lie if I had lip filler.
	Lip filler?
	Nope.
	I used to have no lips.
	Lip flip?
	Anybody had the lip flip?
	I had nothing done.
	Labias?
	They do your lips on your face, girl.
	Any fake boobs or BBL?
	Yes.
	Be careful.
	I love them.
	What do you have?
	BBL.
	You have a BBL?
	Hey.
	It looks really good.
	It looks amazing.
	It's the best BBL I've ever seen.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then, so wait, you said better looking at 38.
	What about 20 years' time?
	48?
	I think I still look good.
	I think my goal is to look as young as possible forever.
	So I'm going to do everything and anything.
	I know you're not a natural beauty.
	Look, you could be very striking.
	Oh, my God.
	Nick.
	Okay, okay.
	If you did before now and me 19, it's literally day and night.
	I feel like you look way better now.
	Day and night.
	Day and night.
	Wait, so okay, then how about 30 years, 58?
	50?
	Or 58?
	I think I'm going to look good.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to be.
	When's your peak?
	When's your peak going to be?
	Like when I'm ugly?
	When's the hottest?
	Oh, hottest.
	I'm all in bomb you.
	I'll make you look good, girl.
	I think when I turn 30.
	Okay, so in like two years.
	Yeah.
	And then were you better looking now or were you better looking 10 years ago at 20 or 18?
	Better looking now.
	19, I was like a crackhead.
	Were you actually a crackhead, though?
	Yeah, I actually had to go to rehab and I did a whole bunch of drugs.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	What was your I've actually been sober from heroin and pills for six years now.
	Congratulations.
	Yay!
	That's hard work.
	Good job.
	We're peaceful.
	And that was one of my high school boyfriend.
	He dated me when I was like, I think I was 15 and he was like 25.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	Girl, you're a victim.
	That happened a lot.
	I thought we were in like another one.
	And then what about you?
	What about you?
	I'm almost 29.
	You're 29.
	Almost 99.
	She is black.
	Do you see how black women age?
	They don't.
	They just have their second 20.
	They do not age.
	Doing pretty chocolate around here.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	I think aging happens in waves, especially for women.
	So some people look better.
	Obviously, there's a P biologically like 19, 20, 21.
	So I think when I'm 38, I'll be beautiful in a different way.
	I'm already 38.
	But compared to how you look now, will you be better looking?
	In a different way, yes.
	Does that make sense?
	Like in a like, I'm looking forward to aging.
	Oh, Grace, fat in a race.
	I'm looking forward to aging grease.
	Okay, 20 years' time, 49.
	Better looking.
	Same response.
	30 years' time, 59.
	Differently beautiful.
	40 years' time, 69.
	And in the same way.
	Jump ahead.
	109.
	I'm dead.
	I will probably look like a skeleton.
	Yes.
	Are skeletons beautiful?
	Let's ask the chat.
	All right.
	And then are you better looking now or were you better looking 10 years ago at 19?
	No, I was not better looking when I was 19.
	Okay.
	Going to Kate, you're 37, better looking in 10 years' time at 47?
	No.
	Okay, and then going back 10 years, better looking at 27 or now at 37?
	I would say I look better now, but that has to do with I was overweight.
	I didn't have great skin.
	I had short hair, other things, you know, if I had, how much weight did you lose?
	Um, I've lost 90 pounds.
	Whoa, whoa.
	You're going to clap for that at least, Ryan?
	Yes.
	So I was pretty chunky at that age.
	You know what?
	27, 28.
	What about 18, though?
	Better looking at 18?
	Or were you also chunky?
	I wasn't chunky at 18, but I had short hair and piercings and didn't do it.
	You were a lesbian.
	Yes, exactly.
	I got accused of that a lot.
	So no, I was not better looking back.
	I kid, I kid, I kid.
	If I had long hair and things like that, I definitely would have been better looking back then than I am now.
	But given that I was not styling myself.
	If you had your same style at 18 as you do now, you'd say you were better looking then.
	Okay.
	Chloe, you're 28, better looking in 10 years' time at 38.
	Oh, definitely.
	I'm aging like fine race.
	I'm actually upset with you because I sent you the perfect picture to use and you used a picture from when I was like 21.
	I was not.
	Let's go.
	No, a better picture.
	That was like 10 years ago.
	I didn't recognize my tattoo.
	And that one shows your tattoo harder.
	Pull it up for the people.
	It's not about how you looked.
	It was about that showed your tattoo better.
	No, but I want to know if I look better now versus five years ago.
	Oh.
	You got to pull it up.
	You got to ask the people.
	Because if anyone says yes, I'm going to be a fan.
	I'm going to be anorexic and unwell.
	You should start having us provide a photo from 10 years ago and then let the chat decide.
	No, I definitely look better.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Oh, I was also fat.
	I do think it is difficult, though, because if you go back even to 2014, 2015, like people, photos that people post on Instagram, man, people put on these weird filters.
	I don't use filters.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Bring out my phone.
	It's hard to compare.
	The camera's still not allowed.
	Unless the lighting and everything's the same, it is hard to do comparisons.
	And then there's a style component.
	Like the style from 10 years ago is very, can be very different.
	I dress the exact same as I did when I was a teenager.
	Exact same.
	You're 28.
	Going back 10 years, would you say you're better looking now or better looking at 20?
	I'm better looking at you.
	Better now?
	Okay.
	What we have done is we have put all of you through AI.
	We've aged all of you.
	And we're going to see.
	We are going to see.
	Or Ryan.
	If you guys are going to be better looking.
	Oh, by the way, Chloe, better looking 20 years, 48.
	I'm curious the photos you use.
	No, I've put, yeah, what photo do you have?
	What were you terrible out there?
	You didn't even know.
	But better looking 20 years ago.
	I've used the Snapchat aging filter, so my fiancé says I still look hot, so I'm going to go with his opinion.
	But better looking in 20 years' time?
	My fiance.
	I found the right guy then.
	Oh, yeah.
	For Chloe, better looking in 20 years' time at 48.
	Well, who's asking?
	I don't know.
	Just like.
	Like, do I feel like I'll be prettier?
	Yeah, do you think you'll be better?
	I'm going to get Botox and shit.
	Are you crazy?
	No, of course not.
	All right.
	So actually, you know what?
	Before we do this, go to the Discord.
	I've been meaning to pull this up for months, but I always forget.
	Go to the Discord.
	And then, Nick, you're going to scroll down in the Discord.
	You're going to scroll down to all the way down to the resources category.
	And you're going to go to looks.
	Are you doing this side by side as well?
	Because I feel like it's only fair.
	Are you in looks?
	You can just go to window tab.
	Anybody else want to see Brian as an old man?
	Oh, I do it too, Brian.
	Scroll up.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	So I've wanted to just show some comparisons from some like famous people.
	So we're just going to tab through.
	Just click on the first one from Brooke Shields.
	Okay, so this is Brooke Shields when she was young.
	Now she's a bit older.
	Next.
	We're going to just go through these pretty quick.
	Next.
	Next.
	Guys, this is just aging.
	Next.
	Right, right.
	Confused.
	Next.
	They have access to so much money.
	Like, they should be aging just fine.
	And then X out of that.
	So, okay, you know, a lot of people saying they're going to be, oh, we got Britney.
	We got Brittany.
	Click on the first one.
	If you have the money, you make it yourself.
	Next.
	So it's like asking if an eight-year-old has better skin than a 60-year-old.
	Brittany also matters.
	Okay, next.
	You leave Brittany alone.
	Next.
	She's not well.
	Next.
	She's not well.
	Next.
	This is nice.
	All right.
	Quite, man.
	Next.
	RPL.
	Okay.
	Oh, American Pie.
	Terror Read.
	Okay.
	Oh, wow.
	Next.
	Aggressive.
	Next.
	By the way, this is from American.
	That's American Pie, too.
	So this is 22, 23, 24, 25 years of aging.
	You know, just putting it out there.
	He looks good still.
	Next.
	She looks thinner.
	Guys.
	Just to prove that women get ugly as they age.
	I don't get it.
	What's the point of this segment?
	You can prove that they age.
	Well, everybody ages, but nobody here thought that we don't.
	There's a lot of cope.
	And look, I put a guy too, okay?
	Just one.
	Just one, though.
	Look up the cast of Seinfeld and see how they all look today.
	There you go.
	Whoa, that's him?
	He looks pretty damn good, too.
	Look, he's still good, but so you're saying men have it easier when they age?
	Okay.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	Okay.
	I'm saying he's clearly better looking when he was younger.
	Yeah.
	Like, click the first one.
	Everybody is.
	I'm just failing to understand the purpose of this.
	Well, maybe.
	Maybe click on the first one.
	Go through them again really quick.
	Like, he was more handsome when he was a good person.
	He was beautiful.
	He's a beautiful man.
	Like, he's not a bad-looking older guy, but he's obviously lost some of his looks.
	Exile that.
	Yeah.
	Exile that.
	Okay, then we'll do Pam Anderson.
	I kind of prefer.
	Boom.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I kind of like him better now, too.
	Yeah, I think he's the more attractive.
	Exile that.
	And then we'll do Evangeline Lily.
	She's on Lost.
	Very attractive woman.
	There she's a bit older.
	She's gorgeous still.
	She's good.
	What?
	Okay.
	What is it?
	Hold on, wait.
	Nick, go back.
	Okay, here's young Evangeline.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Let me ask the.
	Okay.
	Wait, actually, hold on.
	Pull up.
	She also didn't hardly have any makeup on.
	I was going to say.
	I don't know.
	Wait, okay.
	Let me ask you the question.
	She was in glass shots and asked.
	Picture one.
	I don't get it.
	Picture one.
	Go over?
	She's at some event.
	Picture two.
	Yes, but how do people look prettier when they're younger?
	Picture one.
	Which one's more attractive?
	Picture one, she's loaded with makeup.
	I want to see her at that age.
	Like flash photography.
	Oh, my God.
	Here, go back.
	Go back.
	I want to know what the point of this is.
	How women feel bad about aging.
	I'm also a professional photo.
	Calm down.
	Brian, you're better than that.
	This is one.
	Next.
	What's the point of this?
	I'm telling you.
	This is the similarity.
	You're not going to be hurt if you honestly answer.
	She looks good.
	Still, she's already.
	She looks good, but she was obviously more attractive when she was like.
	She's attractive there, but I'm at the peak of her career.
	When she was hella young, obviously.
	She looked really good.
	I get the point of this.
	Next.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay, let me just address it.
	Okay.
	Since you guys aren't going to be good faith about this.
	When it comes to just reality, a lot of people want to cope and say that they're going to be like, who was the one who said they'll be better looking at 100 or whatever?
	I said I'd be a skeleton.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	Sexy skeleton.
	Come on.
	Like, why can't people just operate in reality?
	Because I think most of the women are most of them.
	But this isn't something.
	Like, I think men also look worse as they start to age.
	No.
	So it's not like somebody's.
	No, but that's not true, though.
	I have a fat.
	Okay, fine.
	You think that's fucking care?
	I'm talking about my position because you guys are doing a critique of my position.
	And my position is not a gendered one.
	It's a generalized position that as people age, they look worse.
	They tend to become less attractive.
	I think.
	I agree.
	But it's not about making women feel bad.
	It's just a lot of women do this cope of like.
	Most of the girls here agreed that they won't look as good 10 years ago.
	This is like doing a bladder test and be like, well, when you're 20, your bladder works better.
	I'm just confused, Brian.
	You confused me.
	What is confusing about that?
	I think I don't understand the point.
	Brian.
	What are you not understanding about the point?
	He's trying to say, like, people out here act like they're going to be beautiful forever or that they're going to have like this youthful and like the ability to use that youthfulness but care.
	Oh, like use it to be able to save your bodies use something.
	If you're asking OnlyFans models if they think they'll still be able to sell ass by the time they're 80, I feel like that's a more valuable question.
	Like, you know, I think it's more so just the annoyance at the not living in reality.
	I mean, I should be like, I want to be nice.
	I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
	It's a gender breakdown, though.
	No, men tend to age more gracefully than women, especially if they have access to money.
	We just saw a beautiful man up there.
	Women have to earn that once they get over a certain age threshold because they've had it earlier in their life, which means you can capitalize off of it.
	Pull it back up.
	Which is what you're doing right now.
	Oh, go back.
	Is that right?
	You're capitalizing your beautiful.
	Exactly.
	And it's harder for men to do that when they get older.
	Click Evangeline Lily.
	Click on the fifth one.
	Because we didn't get to see the other one.
	Okay, so you guys were saying, well, it's selfie versus blah, blah, blah.
	Okay, here you go.
	Here, she's on the red carpet.
	Next.
	On the red carpet.
	I feel like I need to on the red carpet.
	Same thing.
	She's aged a bit.
	She's not as.
	She's not as fuckable, perhaps.
	She's still an attractive woman.
	Exactly.
	I mean, she's ugly.
	But she's aged.
	She's not as attractive when she was younger.
	Yes, that's true.
	And the point of this is there's a lot of cope that's like, oh, as a woman, I'm just going to forever be more and more attractive.
	It's like, no, as you get older, your options are going to start to be a little bit different.
	I didn't hear very many women here say that, though, that they would be attractive, but just as attractive in 20 years, most of them said they're not going to be as attractive.
	In a different way, because there are people who are aging gracefully who are very attractive in their age that they're in.
	Some women are delusional in that, oh, I'm going to look like I'm 21 when I'm like 85.
	Obviously, that's not true if you're living in reality.
	But, okay, there were women who did say that there would be better 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ahead.
	And while it might be the case that this panel is perhaps a bit more based in reality, we've had other panels where almost every single panelist says, oh, yeah, I'm going to be better at 35, 45, 55, 60.
	And it's like, you're not going to be more attractive.
	That's fair.
	I think we all agree on that, don't we?
	Because we all be attractive.
	It's programmed to mate with each other and reproduce.
	So when we are younger, we are our most fertile and healthiest.
	So as humans, we are programmed to find younger people attractive.
	That's a fact.
	I don't think anyone's arguing that's true.
	And that's just life.
	Life happens, age happens.
	And people who have more access to capital can usually age more gracefully than those who are like below the poverty line, obviously.
	So she's an actress who's made millions of dollars.
	She should look a little bit better, but also that was a photo in her, like behind a philosophy or something.
	That brings us to the discussion.
	That was more natural.
	20-year-olds, 25-year-olds are looking like 35-year-olds now because they started at 19 doing Botox and facelifts and all this.
	And now they look like they're so much older than they actually are.
	And then that's a broader discussion to have.
	Like, why do women feel like they need to start so early with that stuff?
	I know why?
	Because we know that we are going to be ugly when we're 40 and 50.
	Brian.
	Ryan.
	It's just reality.
	It's just the reality.
	As people age, and again, this applies to both men and women.
	You become less desirable.
	Less desirable to who, though?
	Like, I don't, I think the goal should be to find one person that you want to be with for the rest of your life so that when you do age, they still find you.
	Can you go to the memes in the resources?
	And that's why dating is so hard somebody loves so that you feel validated forever?
	No, not validated.
	It's that when somebody loves you, even when you're 80 and you're wrinkly, they're still going to look at you and go, you are beautiful because I love you for more than you.
	Make us subscribe to the color there.
	I mean, dating is jacked up that way.
	Oh, no, I'm getting old.
	Plastic surgery.
	Honestly, I don't think the plastic surgery makes women look better, honestly, most of the time.
	I think certain things.
	Sometimes, but like that, where they botch themselves, they look worse.
	Show their face up to their skull.
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	So we will get right into the AI age advancement.
	Wait.
	So my adopted mom, shout out to her.
	Love you, mom.
	This was her at 28.
	Okay.
	That's me, little me.
	Okay, this is my mom, 28 years old, same age.
	You can show it to the camera.
	Can we show the camera?
	Let me just try to.
	We can't get any closer than that, unfortunately.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	This will be more for you guys.
	This is my mom now.
	You want to tell me my mom didn't age up?
	She is 40.
	You want to tell me my mom doesn't look better in her 40s than she did at 28?
	Yeah, that's good.
	Stunning.
	You guys can't see it.
	This one and then.
	Oh, I'm going to say I just don't want to show these up ones.
	Super chat.
	She's stunning.
	She aged very much up.
	Yep.
	So that was like, what's the gap?
	15 years, 20 years?
	I was 13 here.
	I'm 28 now.
	15 years.
	15 years.
	Yeah.
	Well, it looks like she lost a bit of weight.
	That also helps.
	Hey, now.
	About to fat shame my mom.
	But this is, I mean, she's.
	Yes, she did.
	Nope, nope.
	These are just professional shots.
	No photos.
	Okay, well, but again, this was a model shot.
	She's comparing like a short shoot to like a selfie.
	But that's what you just did.
	You just showed models on the red carpet versus that one girl in her home.
	Well, but I showed like pretty identical.
	That was one of the batch, but there were six photos and four of those were equivalent comparisons.
	But can't wait.
	I'm not offended here, by the way.
	I just want to point out that there are women, and I look at my mom, it's like inspiration.
	I hope I age like that because my mom looks so good at 40.
	She looked good at 28, but like, does she not look better?
	Come on.
	You'd hit it.
	Sorry, mom.
	I think she's watching.
	I love you, mom.
	I mean, you better say hi to my mom.
	Look, I'm willing to grant that there are women who remain attractive into their 40s and 50s, or it's even possible and plausible that the woman could be more attractive at 45 versus 35 or 25 or whatever.
	Did you hear that, mom?
	Possible.
	But when I'm speaking here in generalities, I'm not trying to make the point that it's impossible or that this doesn't exist.
	But when I'm speaking here, again, in generalities, and I would say that generally speaking, as women age, they become less attractive.
	True.
	That's it.
	We agree.
	That's it.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Okay, agreed.
	Some women don't.
	Maybe we'll change it.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	So, oh, we were going to do the thing.
	Let's do the thing.
	All right.
	So we have aged, advanced all of you.
	Oh, my God.
	If you have my tattoos sagging to the floor, I'm going to be so mad.
	I think I'll just look like my mom.
	All right.
	We're like identical.
	Go for it.
	Oh, yep.
	I look like my grandma.
	I like how you just get squintier.
	I know.
	Do your eyes just go away.
	What?
	I'm going to move the sources over.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I just look like my grandma.
	Oh, look at her.
	Oh, that's cute.
	All right.
	I do not like that.
	Let's do next.
	Take it away.
	I'm scared.
	I'm scared.
	I look like my dad.
	I like this.
	That's also not that bad.
	It's not bad.
	That's bad.
	All right, Lindsay's posture check.
	My front hurts.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	All right, next.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Please show my feelings.
	I joke about wanting to be an old crone on the corner in a house that everyone's afraid of, but I didn't think it would be that bad.
	Oh, no.
	All right.
	There you go.
	All right, next.
	That looks like a terrible.
	R.I.P. Jade.
	I know.
	Oh.
	You look great.
	Okay.
	Shit.
	I'm so scared for mine.
	Oh, God.
	Lady Loves in the book.
	Oh my God.
	Next.
	These are not bad.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, my God.
	We can be old ladies together.
	Let's go.
	You look like Winnie the Pooh.
	All right.
	That's cute.
	Oh, my God.
	Beautiful underwear.
	The chins have always been my weakest part.
	Look at the chins.
	I love it, though.
	Why is it so?
	I feel like I'm not.
	You are not going to age like that.
	Those are veneers.
	This is not my.
	That middle one's pretty accurate.
	I think you got the last one.
	I don't know about the last one.
	Yeah.
	Like a Titan or something.
	I'll take it.
	All right.
	Next.
	This is brutal.
	Okay.
	Worse fear.
	These are not bad.
	Like, I've seen much worse.
	Kate, thoughts?
	I don't mind it.
	That's how I'm going to look when I'm old.
	All right.
	There you go.
	I don't hate it.
	It's whatever.
	Next.
	Oh.
	That's the old lady.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Come on, Brian.
	Yeah, I'm like, hi.
	Yeah, I'm happy with that.
	You like that, baby?
	That's what you got to look forward to.
	Nice.
	Not bad.
	I like that.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Yeah, I know.
	Press it again.
	The wrinkles are.
	Oh, yeah.
	I actually look bad.
	Whoa.
	Look at him.
	But what about a go is that picture?
	Yeah, what about a picture from 10 years ago?
	A recent picture.
	Come on.
	No, you've got to be fair.
	Be a good sport.
	Do a recent picture.
	Do we have older photos?
	Yeah, you've got to be a good sport.
	We've had a screen grab like you're going to be able to do it.
	Literally, take a selfie right now.
	Yeah, you've got to be a selfie right now.
	You know what you look like without a beard?
	Oh, that's right.
	Whoa.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I guess.
	Okay, do we have the gender swaps?
	Like, it's better than that.
	I'm a hug.
	Fuck me, dude, man.
	I should have been a man.
	Same.
	Yeah.
	Every time I've ever done this, I'm like, I was just like my dad.
	I hope you're a wave computer as he did.
	Unless they use like a bad one.
	Maybe not, but it always reminds me of my brother and it creeps me out.
	Yeah, what absolutely?
	My brother looks like me with a beard.
	Lucy Lotus, love you, Lindsay.
	I paid for this shit.
	Sorry, I can't be there.
	I love you.
	What is she?
	Is she recovering from Ebola or something?
	Flu.
	What?
	Flu.
	No, she got sick.
	She was going to be.
	Our good friend Lucy Lotus was going to be here tonight.
	But it is the case.
	She got Ebola.
	She got super Ebola.
	She definitely has Ebola.
	Don't worry.
	It's not messy.
	Lucy Goosey.
	I'll stay with you.
	She just has Ebola.
	She told me about all the messages.
	She was like, I have Ebola.
	Sorry, brother.
	I have a really fun video of her, but I can't show it on here.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	All right.
	She's holding everybody today.
	Thank you, Lucy.
	She would want me.
	Friends of the podcast, Lucy Lotus.
	There, we've got big, big legend Clain here.
	Brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Coming in with a message.
	Thank you, man.
	Klain donated $200.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	All things being equal, no one will ever look better in 10 years after 25.
	You can lose weight, work out, or get plastic.
	But if nothing changes, you will not look better.
	That goes for men and women.
	Yeah, the scenario would be: assume you're in the best health ever.
	You don't have any weight to lose.
	You're not like binge drinking or whatever.
	There's no scenario where really you're looking better under those circumstances.
	If you stay the same, you know, physicality, health, weight, and you age 10 years, 20 years, you're not going to look better.
	Clain, I appreciate that.
	Sorry for the delay on your last one, but I got that one pretty much instantly to make up for it.
	So thank you, Clane.
	I do appreciate your message there.
	Grift Queen, people taking advice from Roma Lowell.
	She built her channel and became relevant being a men's rights activist, talked down on OnlyFans and then started her own after convincing sim she was different.
	Why am I not surprised this is a woman?
	I never had an OlyFans, but keep hating.
	Thanks for the money.
	Haters can hate.
	Paid $100 just to say something inaccurate.
	How embarrassing.
	So embarrassing.
	So embarrassing.
	All right.
	Gender swap.
	So the question is.
	The question is: would you date yourself if you were a dude?
	If you were a man.
	Oh, yeah.
	Am I about to see pictures?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, I know where a dog's like personality.
	I'm like, yeah, kill it.
	Oh, God.
	All right.
	So.
	As long as they don't give me facial hair now.
	Like me as a man.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	You want to see the picture?
	Would you be a dude with a beard?
	Boom.
	What the fuck?
	Oh, they used the badass.
	You're in God.
	What the fuck was that?
	Wait, what?
	He's like, that looks too good.
	Take it off.
	Some fucking Zoolander shit.
	I didn't actually have a half-brother in that.
	Does he look like that?
	He looks exactly like me, but a guy formed it.
	He's cute in his own right.
	Lucy.
	I don't know if I would think I was cute.
	Lucy Lotus, she does confirm that she was.
	Yeah, it was Super Bowl and full-on double dragoning.
	What is double?
	What is double dragoning?
	Isn't that like a Google it?
	Street Fighter Move or something?
	Yes.
	Double Dragon.
	Isn't that where cotton comes out of your nose?
	Isn't that the double dragon?
	Am I tripping?
	Am I thinking about something else?
	Yeah, because with the vape, when you blow the vape out, it's called double dragon.
	Like, what is that?
	I love the scene.
	Double dragon?
	Wait, Nick, here, I'm going to send this to you.
	Private chat.
	That is such a hot pic she chose for her proven dictionary.
	Lucy, send some champagne with your slut money.
	Yeah, Lucy.
	Slut up, shut up.
	Streamlabs.com/slash whatever for $999.
	We will pop a bottle of champagne on your behalf.
	And then there was this one, too, right?
	Here, pull that up, Nick.
	Pull this one up also.
	Double dragon.
	Oh, wait, it's not going to pull the second one.
	Whatever.
	Just pull the first one.
	Maybe it should be reaching.
	She's paying for this with my slut money.
	Go, okay, Double Dragon.
	Beat him up game.
	Came out in 1987.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Before our time.
	All right.
	So I was way off.
	This one's crazy, though.
	Oh, F11, this, please.
	We'll go back to the gender.
	Yes, you're using your urban dictionary.
	Right.
	We'll go back to the gender swaps.
	Okay, that's crazy.
	I like that I just turned a different person.
	Yeah, you actually look like my ex.
	That's so weird.
	Why are you wearing like a red suit?
	Yeah, right.
	My excuse.
	AI dead.
	He just gets small.
	Done some crazy shit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh, my God.
	Next.
	I think I'm cute.
	I date me.
	Oh, I look like that.
	I look here.
	Definitely.
	So would you date?
	You look like John Mayer.
	No, because I look like my dad.
	I would not date that.
	So, would you not date the male version of you?
	No, because that looks like my dad.
	I'm good.
	Okay, did you say you would date the male version of you?
	If it looks like that, that's not what I would look like if I was a dude.
	Okay.
	All right, next.
	I'm scared.
	Yikes.
	You gotta look at somebody that's gonna be hot.
	We're gonna go with no.
	At least you have fish.
	He looks innocent.
	Oh, that hair out.
	That beard is pretty hot.
	She gets creepier and creepier as the slide goes by.
	It's so funny.
	Thank you.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	No.
	Nope.
	All right, next.
	You know what?
	Girl, where's her chin?
	Oh, there she is.
	She looks like you're not.
	Okay.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Yes.
	No, the eyes that just suck.
	That's really messed up.
	His eyes are wonky.
	You just need a proper skin.
	I think he's pretty handsome.
	You're the guy.
	I would date your male version.
	I think he's pretty handsome.
	I'd date him.
	Got it.
	No.
	I don't date your male version of the version.
	Next.
	Whoa, you're Ayesha.
	Okay.
	No, it's a good turn.
	I don't want to be Asian.
	That kind of looks like Jade's boyfriend.
	Look at the first one.
	It doesn't even look like this.
	This is your boyfriend, Jade.
	What?
	Really?
	Is that what you say us together?
	Yeah.
	You look kind of hot.
	No.
	You look like a kid.
	Who did these?
	These guys are horrible.
	These are terrible.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you're Asian.
	Yeah, you know.
	I'm going to be a white man.
	I'm going to gender swap.
	Turn into a white man.
	Gender swap.
	I identify it.
	All right.
	Oh, man.
	Next.
	It turned me into a typical black man.
	Oh, yeah.
	Awesome.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Yes, because I'm obsessed with me.
	Look at that smile, though.
	What?
	Wait, you got like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of the middle picture.
	The middle picture, maybe not the other one.
	Yeah, the middle picture is literally what?
	Next.
	I would date the male version of you.
	I was hoping to be white.
	Okay, my bad.
	Oh.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	No.
	No.
	Well, you look so good.
	You look so reminds me too much of my brother.
	Oh, okay.
	That's a good one.
	Beard on, beard off.
	You look pretty hot.
	You wouldn't date the male version of you?
	I mean, maybe.
	I'd have to see him in person.
	See if it reminds me of my brother or not.
	He's wearing a sleeveless button-down shirt.
	He looks like a frat royal.
	Right.
	All right, Chloe, here we go.
	Okay.
	Smash.
	Smash.
	You were worried you wouldn't make a hot dude.
	Look at the tattoos, though.
	That's immediately smashed.
	You look like Freddy Mercury.
	I kind of do.
	Yeah.
	Like the beard.
	The beard is a good one.
	You got the Freddy Mercury air.
	I think maybe you should try growing a beard out.
	It might up your level.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, you're so cute.
	What?
	Interesting in you.
	Wait, why did yours do it so well?
	The bottom looks better.
	I used to do it.
	The bottom's better.
	Kind of scary a little bit for both, I guess.
	But the top is a bit further.
	The top looks like you could be.
	I'm your sisters with Lucy.
	The top one kind of ugly eyes, dark bob.
	Yeah.
	Like Jodi Aries in the top one, actually.
	That twinkle of psycho.
	Or whatever.
	Or white friend killer.
	She killed her white friend.
	Killed her boyfriend.
	Wait, who's the one that got off am?
	I think there's somebody, Casey Anthony, she killed their kid allegedly.
	They didn't.
	They didn't catch her, but she's now.
	She's illegal.
	Yeah, now she wants to be our advocate.
	Wait, didn't she start an of?
	No no, I called it.
	I thought she did.
	I'm about to win a thousand bucks.
	If she did.
	No, we should.
	We confirm this?
	No no no sorry, so sorry, i'm wrong.
	I think she just started.
	Wait, she started like a tick tock.
	She was at a Tiktok.
	She's like I wanted to win a little.
	Yeah, start an of fun fact, Casey Anthony has blocked me on tick tock.
	Oh wow, why girl you are?
	How did you do?
	I just made some?
	Oh because no, she was on a date, she was out dating and I was like, imagine ending up on a date with Casey Anthony.
	Like, what do you even talk about?
	Oh, what do you like to do Casey?
	Hide things.
	Okay, bye.
	Like why, what do you even talk to Casey Anthony about?
	Oh, my gosh, she didn't like that.
	She blocked me.
	Oh man, good times like Casey.
	Wait, bring us side by side at.
	Casey Anthony and yours.
	Oh, I lost it.
	I lost it.
	No, you lost it because you know it's true.
	Pictures might have created a complex in me.
	I might be into girl, you know.
	All right, I can take that photo home, right?
	Yeah, girlhood is not literally.
	We are gonna get back into the rest of the show notes here, so let's see one moment here.
	Okay, we are going to do, uh Kate, oh wait she's, she's gone.
	Kenna, you describe yourself as single, as you said your craziest dating story.
	Oh, you talked about the being catfished by trans men.
	We talked about that already.
	You wanted to talk about getting male input on why body count is so significant.
	Uh, if it's something anyone can lie about, what did you mean by that?
	If it's, you're saying yeah like technically, anybody can lie about their body count, so why does it have such a significance behind it?
	Is it just because the rest of, like the societal judgment and what is considered normal or okay for women versus men?
	Because everybody like might know like, what the body count is, or like if you're in like a small town or a small community, everyone may have more judgment on knowing that the girl was promiscuous with a bunch of men and so like have knowledge of it, and then that is like what people are thinking about, because technically, somebody could say i'm a virgin or i've been with two people, and they could have been with 50 people and you don't technically know.
	Lucy Lodis, are you still in the chat, Lucy she?
	She told her first boyfriend in high school or something she had a bot.
	Uh, or maybe it was after high school I forget the exact details she had a body count of three.
	In reality, the body count was over a hundred.
	In high school you already slept with three people.
	No, she actually slept with over a hundred.
	But she told her there are a lot of people that lose their virginity between 15 and 17.
	That's not that insane.
	Even younger, that is kind of no.
	She said three and sounds shocked.
	No but, but she lied about that.
	You're a teenager yeah Yeah, fucking a bunch of 100.
	And she lied and said she slept with three.
	Right.
	Yeah, I thought she said that three was crazy.
	I'm just shocked, but I'm also a mother.
	So if my daughter had slept with like three people at like 14, 15, I think I would have failed as a mom, actually.
	I don't know why you're out here.
	I kind of agree.
	You're a child.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're a literal child.
	What do you?
	Yeah.
	What?
	I'm not going to judge her, though, because a lot of young women and a lot of young men at that young age that are overly promiscuous, it is usually because they're victims of childhood molestation.
	So I'm going to refrain from making any judgments because that's what it sounds like to me.
	I would say that I regret most all of the situations that happened before I was out living on my own as an adult.
	Word.
	Like, word.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	So I guess what was the question for you?
	I guess you're saying because the women can just lie.
	So why should I?
	I mean, anybody can lie about body count.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, well, first I would just say it's terrible to start off a relationship with lying.
	Like if this is somebody you're hoping to build like trust and connection with, it just seems kind of like a bad thing to do.
	To lie.
	Oh, no.
	I guess I just meant like you're having faith in the fact that they say their body count was zero or it's one, and that's what's making it okay that they're not promiscuous in your mind, but it could just all be a lie.
	There's a lot of indicators.
	I mean, there's other kind of questions that you could ask to vet if she's giving you an honest answer.
	But I mean, a woman could give you an honest answer.
	So she could say, yeah, you know, I slept with 30 guys, 20 guys, 10 guys, and the guy could make some sort of determination if he thinks she's being honest.
	But I think you could ask certain other questions to perhaps get, be able to make inferences about the suspected body count.
	So you can just ask questions.
	It doesn't have to be direct.
	It could be indirect questions like asking them about other sorts of behavior or even specifically as it relates to sexual behavior.
	So for example, if somebody's had a threesome, I would make certain inferences about, you know, their sexual experience or body count based on that.
	It might not be perfect.
	Like it is, while it is logically possible that the woman could have lost her virginity in a threesome and she has a body count of one, or I guess in this case, technically two, I would find it unlikely that, you know, a woman who's had a threesome, her body count is one or two.
	I would probably say it's over 10.
	That's my immediate immediate, like, okay, it's probably over 10.
	Okay.
	Also, like, depends permission.
	I don't know how.
	Hold on, Lindsay.
	Yes, technically it's possible a woman could have had a threesome and her body counts under 10.
	Yeah.
	It's yes, it's I'm going to grant that it's it's possible.
	I think it's unlikely.
	Then I would look to other characteristics also.
	Did you want to jump in?
	Yeah, I think you're, yeah, I like what you're getting at.
	I think there are different, like they'll use different things to try to tell if you're being honest.
	On the flip side of that, though, because I used to do like not only fans, what's it called?
	Not safe for work.
	I think he believes me now, but my fiancé for like the longest time did not believe that I had a low body count because he's like, well, you were acting like a hoe, so into a hoe, but I wasn't.
	So it's not even, you got to watch what you do because people will think you're a hawk.
	They will assume.
	They will make assumptions.
	And again, it might not be the case.
	No.
	I mean, look, it is also, it is possible.
	It's technically possible that a woman could be doing degenerate stuff on OF and be a virgin.
	It's possible.
	But if she does have an OF, it's like, eh.
	If her OF walks like a duck, probably a dog.
	Well, even if she does just like solo content, I'm still going to be like, okay, she's like, usually the virgin to OnlyFans girl pipeline is not a thing.
	So you're saying like if she like she done sucks some dicks, she's fucked a couple guys.
	Right.
	You're already sexually open if you're open it up to everybody.
	Is it possible that the virgin could be on the OnlyFans?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But I think it's unlikely.
	I think Sophia Rein's a fraud.
	Go ahead.
	Also, like, Becky, your point is that.
	She's got smoke for everybody.
	Also, to your point, though, like, it depends on the context of the person you're asking.
	Like, what are their values?
	Are they coming from a religious standpoint?
	Then, obviously, if they're asking a girl and she lies about it, well, then they're going to be out of the running, obviously.
	Like, that comes out sooner or later, anyway, in a relationship.
	I mean, it might, but it may never.
	I don't care.
	Another possibility.
	Another possibility.
	I mean, most women keep lists.
	He'll find that list.
	But also, that too, like, he'll find it.
	Maybe.
	Also, do you place value on your body?
	Because a lot of times society places value on a woman's body, and the less it's been used, the more valuable it is.
	Well, and I think that point can be tied back to what you said: like sexual promiscuity at a young age, a lot of the time comes from people being hypersexualized or like a child or abused or something like that happening to them younger.
	And then when it comes to that, if that may have been like a reason to their promiscuity or that might have been what caused it or what started it as a young, young child, if you have something like that happen to you and you, you know, construe the ways what love is, what the connection is between love and sex and sexual intercourse and what your own value is, what you see yourself as.
	How have you ever gotten love?
	Have you always had to give something to get love?
	Sometimes people fall into being promiscuous and being with multiple people because the only way they've ever received love and affection in a relationship way is by providing that sexual gratification for the other person.
	And so for them, you get into that point of almost like an abusive, probably like trauma cycle in your own mind of thinking that if I don't give you this, you're not going to love me anyway.
	So I'm going to put that up front to try to bring in that love, even though I'm not understanding on a psychological level that that's not what love is.
	Sorry, and then you get stuck in that cycle of dating those same types of people.
	And then you're drawn to that.
	You're like, oh, well, this person was abusive.
	And then you move to another person.
	You're like, oh, this person is abusive.
	Oh, it's because you're somehow unconsciously looking for the same things.
	You're looking for the thing.
	Yeah.
	And it's like your traumatized subconscious mind is picking out those red flags in people and it's giving you butterflies.
	And you're like, oh, I like them so much.
	At that point, too, you have to be more self-aware, too.
	At what point do you say, okay, I've been inflicted, I've been trauma-inflicted.
	Now, what can I do to do the work to get better?
	So I'm not attracting those people anymore.
	When you do go to that, if you do become that, though, now because you had a period of promiscuity in your life where you just trash and you don't give a fuck about yourself and you're not worth anything.
	Some women actually feel that way because, like you said, they're not going to be afraid of that.
	But I just mean other women and men sometimes say that about those people or put them down and make it like they don't mean anything and they're not worth anything.
	Even if they don't do sex work anymore, even if they're not promiscuous anymore, there's almost no amount of work nor bettering yourself nor being celibate nor not being promiscuous anymore, not doing sex work, not doing OnlyFans.
	You almost can never come back from it.
	You can.
	Yeah, it's always about your mentality too, though.
	Because you guys don't care.
	Us mentally.
	We don't mean in our own mind.
	I mean, for the way other people view you.
	But you don't care, though.
	If you guys are doing OnlyFans, you obviously don't give a fuck people think.
	Right.
	So you have to put yourself.
	I care very much, actually.
	Well, there's a certain sense of like not caring, though, to do some of the things you've done, right?
	It's having confidence and knowing yourself.
	Exactly.
	So once you hit that threshold or leave like hate comments or something, it would hurt my feelings.
	I'm human.
	Like, I don't want to be talked down to because of what I do because I like what I do.
	And it sucks that people feel that way, but you get into this job with the knowledge that that is how people are going to talk to you.
	Yeah.
	And that is how people are going to see you.
	So you have to be strong enough to be able to withstand.
	But and then how do you transfer that into a trauma relationship cycle?
	So like at what point do you recommend?
	Just like she said, like with years of abuse, years of not being, you know, treated right or being like messed with with your head.
	Yo, chat, should we move on from that?
	Yeah, I have something to say.
	I think it's really important.
	I'll let you, let me just let one chat come through, but I'll give you the floor after that.
	We have Clain here with the TTS.
	Thank you, brother.
	Thank you, man.
	Body count doesn't matter.
	Someone should want to be with you for you.
	You should be with them and them with you, regardless of their past.
	What is everyone's body count?
	None of them.
	I'm fine with him asking that question, but Clay.
	Clain.
	Body count does matter.
	Okay.
	Body count does matter, Clan.
	You can have your own thoughts, Clain.
	No.
	Not here anymore.
	Everybody who watches my show has to 100% agree with me on everything.
	You're not every single thing.
	Not allowed to disagree.
	But he did ask the question, what is everybody's body count starting with you?
	I don't feel comfortable sharing that with you.
	Do you want to do a ballpark range?
	No, I don't want to.
	Thank you.
	Can I say what I wanted to say real quick?
	Well, let's get through this.
	We'll come right back to it.
	I hope I don't want to.
	Lindsay Lee.
	Don't forget.
	I think I answered last year.
	New podcast.
	Imagine everybody who's watching didn't see it.
	I don't even remember what I said.
	So you were honest.
	No, you lied.
	No, I just don't keep track.
	Fair enough.
	You lost track?
	Yeah.
	She does a lot of work.
	She has a lot of clients.
	And collabs.
	But a scene's not always with like a different co-star, but still.
	A lot of infrastructure.
	Yeah.
	Did you ballpark it?
	It's okay.
	You've done 200 plus scenes.
	Let's say that's like what, 100 guys just from your work.
	Then like the escorting and then like the civilians.
	Civilians.
	She don't fuck civilians.
	We're like over 200.
	Over 200.
	What about you?
	That's crazy.
	I honestly, I've never counted.
	Did you lose track?
	No, I've just never actually sat down and counted.
	I'd say probably 20 plus.
	Minimum.
	That's all right.
	Minimum.
	Yeah.
	Weren't you escorting, though?
	No, I was a sugar baby for the same two clients for two years.
	So I had a monthly allowance.
	I don't judge nobody that does do it.
	I just didn't.
	As usual, I don't want to disclose that, but it is low.
	Under 10?
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't even know.
	I don't even keep track.
	I'll be honest.
	No, because I used to date a couple and we used to be in the lifestyle.
	Lifestyle.
	Swingers.
	The swingers.
	So there's a lot of that.
	And then the content and everything.
	I know for a fact now, I'm probably in triple digits.
	I'll be honest.
	Triple digits?
	You think over 300?
	Oh, like, not even two.
	I think almost two, but at least like one or two.
	Your house parents must be so proud of you.
	But between 150 to 200.
	I said mine was low.
	I don't.
	That's it.
	You're not.
	We go to the parties, like sometimes I'd be fucking like 15 people, 15 plus.
	You've slept with 15 plus people at a party in a night.
	That is fucking disgusting.
	Well, you all get tested, okay?
	Ah, it doesn't matter.
	You start taking 15 dicks at once.
	You don't feel any shame.
	Like, you go home at the end of the day and you look at yourself in the mirror and you've got to be in the middle of one party at one party.
	That's worse.
	Wait, was it 15 in Europe?
	Wait, I think I'm going to throw it out.
	Hold on, before we get into it.
	Before we completely obliterate the chance of other people being honest, let's get their answers.
	I don't even want to hear anymore.
	I can count a few of my fingers, but I won't disclose the number.
	Sorry, what?
	I can count a few of my fingers, but I won't disclose the number.
	Ballpark it?
	Did you lose track?
	Is what you're saying?
	I said a few of my fingers.
	But did you lose track of the actual number?
	No.
	Okay.
	Did you lose track of the actual number?
	No.
	Did you lose track of the actual number?
	Wait, I'm just curious.
	Why, just for you specifically, why would you be ashamed to reveal your body count when you there's videos of you sucking a transgender woman's penis?
	You've had sex in public.
	Why bring that one up?
	There's plenty of other people.
	So specifically Ryan.
	I've had a lot of partners.
	But I guess my confusion is you feel, on one hand, you have objections to sharing the amount of sexual partners that you've had, which is just a verbal statement.
	I don't know the number.
	Okay, so you've lost track.
	Probably upwards.
	It's hundreds.
	500.
	Sounded like you're about to say 500s.
	Damn, girl.
	Okay.
	I am not.
	I'm not going to judge.
	I used to be.
	I'm not going to judge.
	Okay.
	She's not Bonnie Blue.
	Way more picky.
	But Bonnie Blue is that.
	Again, as I said, like when I was doing escorting at my own home when I was younger, when I was manic and not taking good care of myself, I was putting myself in extremely dangerous situations.
	And through those situations, I gained a lot of bodies.
	So, I mean, I don't really think.
	Yeah, shit happens, man.
	I think it definitely has damaged me.
	Dick happened.
	You're snipping his own comments during it.
	I would say that it probably is actually especially not sharing it.
	Did you lose track?
	Is what you're saying?
	Nope.
	I'm not comfortable sharing that.
	I don't think that's something everybody needs to know.
	Chloe?
	The whole internet's itching for this one.
	I know it.
	My body count is 11, and two of those were women.
	So technically, I have touched nine penises in 28 years.
	I didn't know we were all going at it.
	I thought we were only counting penises.
	Same for all of you.
	I don't care what you're doing.
	I need a blessing.
	I don't like how you're going to catch something just sitting here.
	I just don't like how you're going to be.
	You've called her disgusting, but then you're just sad-facing over her.
	If you count ones that I finished, I'm going to have.
	I have to say 25.
	Wait, hold on.
	If you count all the body counts where I actually finished, my body count is 25.
	That's not how you count them, though.
	They don't just not count because you didn't finish.
	Wait, no, no, no, don't leave.
	What did you say that I was nicer to her than I am her?
	It's simple because she said something.
	Yeah.
	No, no, it's a why did you call her disgusting and then not and sad-faced me?
	I do think that 500 bodies is disgusting, but I also think that you've been very open and honest.
	And I think you've been through a lot in your life.
	You're privileged and just want to be a hoe.
	You've made it.
	She's a hoe.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure if she's a man of nothing.
	Hey, she was a heroin addict.
	I'm like, how?
	Through her abusive relationship or her addiction or anything?
	How do you assume that she's privileged?
	And you kept saying she's got Botox in her face.
	She's got Botox in her face, even though you said you were going to get Botox to not get up against you.
	It's the way you speak.
	It's the way you speak.
	Again, generalized assumptions.
	She's sorry, she's going to speak for herself.
	Now she can't deny it, but she can't.
	Oh, shit.
	So go ahead.
	Are you privileged?
	Not privileged.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So maybe that was an unfair assumption.
	I just think.
	What if she's had a rough as fuck and she's like a trust fund baby?
	Is that true?
	No.
	Then I would probably switch my cat.
	Do you have trust funds?
	I think that all of the behavior is degenerate.
	I just think that I think she's been very real and open and honest.
	And I think that as a woman, I don't think that I should judge every single woman.
	I judge them based off of how they act.
	And my first impression of you was that you are better than everybody.
	You don't need this podcast.
	It's a trash ass podcast.
	You're outside talking about what surgeries you want next and sitting here deep throating the mics.
	Like, you don't give me the impression of somebody.
	Yeah.
	We all at once.
	Somebody that I want to empathize with.
	There's no empathy there.
	And you're friends with somebody that's like happy to help men cheat on their wives.
	So I'm sorry.
	I don't relate to you.
	I can relate to her as a woman and as a level of a human being.
	You just seem.
	That's okay.
	I guess you're lost.
	That's just my opinion.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're allowed to in your opinion.
	I'm not going to hate on it.
	It's your opinion.
	You don't want to be buddled to that at all?
	No, because you're like, I just tore me, you asshole.
	And you're like, that's good.
	That's your business.
	But at the end of the day, I can tell you're Canadian for sure.
	Well, at the end of the day, I don't know.
	I don't really, it's not really like, I don't know.
	You want me to change my opinion?
	Like, she's still going to be like.
	Yeah, she's going to be her.
	Yeah, I'm going to be myself.
	No, that's not right.
	I don't want you to go home and cry.
	That was just a question, honestly.
	Thank you for sharing, but I'm not going to change your opinion that you already have on me.
	That's true.
	That's very challenging.
	I feel like you guys, that was great.
	You guys, that was good.
	This is how Canadians argue.
	I guess.
	Oh, sorry you feel that way.
	I don't know.
	But big booty Tay or whatever the fuck your name is.
	You know, Chloe, she said that, you know, you haven't really had a rough life.
	You're going to let Chloe.
	You're going to let her talk about it.
	Well, at the end of the day, I don't really need to justify everything that's happened to me because a lot of things I like to keep private.
	There's some things that have happened to me that, I don't know, everyone, you don't need to know.
	But at the end of the day, you're just looking at something that you don't even know me.
	So you're just like judging.
	So I don't really care.
	Not to speak for you, but kind of.
	I don't think she thinks either one of us is like better than the other or worse than the other.
	I think.
	Wow.
	Well, I think she does a little bit.
	Just because of the level of life.
	Definitely.
	It's nice and open and you're honest.
	And you're talking about how shitty the podcast was when I first saw you outside.
	So I'm just like, I think maybe it's open.
	I was there and I still don't remember it.
	I think maybe her friends look besties.
	We're literally not going to snitch on her.
	Well, no, I was standing there.
	I just don't remember.
	I think maybe it also lashed on and that's why she stood so far away.
	Also that too.
	Like she's about to.
	She's about to get married too.
	So like there's a sensitivity there.
	Okay, so yes, I arrived late and I did overhear some things.
	I don't remember.
	Where's the girl that called me a liar?
	I love how she left conveniently.
	She already smoked with me and then left.
	I don't even remember what I said.
	I already, yeah, I already backed up.
	I think I talked shit because I said they were talking shit close.
	They were.
	Why would I lie?
	I'm the one who's like, it's going to be fun.
	How confused.
	Kate, were they talking shit?
	It wasn't necessarily shit.
	It was just like, it's just a dumb podcast.
	It doesn't matter.
	That's exactly what they said.
	Thank you.
	It was more so hyping people up for like a moment.
	Oh, no.
	But you said, you said that that was never said.
	So now you did no, I said that we weren't talking shit.
	Chloe cut out there, Jessica.
	Thank you.
	We were more so like, um, I'm nervous.
	And they're like, no, it's just a dumb podcast.
	It's gonna be fine.
	It's gonna be fine.
	Like, more so in that context, not like with Brian.
	Brian, we're gonna go on the shitty podcast and we're gonna talk shit to a shit man.
	Like, that's not what it was like.
	Jake, what do you have to say?
	Okay, there was one thing said that is bothering me because no one's being honest about it.
	Is that I'm not gonna say who, but someone on this side, when you were on the phone, said, Oh, look, she's on the phone.
	She thinks she's better than us.
	And I walked past her.
	I am better than you.
	I don't open my legs.
	No, we were, I don't know who said that.
	We are talking about Lindsay.
	They were talking about our friend.
	We were talking about you.
	They were talking about Lindsay.
	You told me about her.
	She was the one on the phone.
	No, no, no, no.
	Our friend Lindsay.
	She was on the phone.
	She was there.
	She gave us a cigarette.
	No one has been judging her.
	No.
	No.
	We weren't talking about her.
	We were talking about Lindsay.
	I was talking about all day long.
	You were getting the energy to my face.
	That's it.
	You don't judge me.
	All we were talking about was, I think we saw you online.
	We were actually talking about how cute you were.
	Yeah, I saw you and I was like, oh, I follow her.
	I wonder how she did.
	She literally pressed the cap button.
	She said, oh, I followed her.
	Do you think that lying?
	Yeah, I was like, IMG.
	I love being.
	I haven't watched enough of it.
	Out of context.
	Wait, wait, I want to hear this.
	Why is it British?
	Why are they all British now?
	Fucking liar.
	All right, let's move.
	We'll get back into the notes then.
	What's that next?
	Sure, why not?
	Guys, go twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	It's been four minutes since we last had a prime sub.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	Can you guys just drop us a follow?
	Drop us a prime sub.
	I think it's bugged.
	Our followers are bugged.
	Our primes are bugged.
	Just drop us a follow.
	See if you're able to follow.
	The money is bugged.
	The follow button is bugged.
	Check the super chats, guys.
	Yeah, the super chats are bugged.
	The champagne's bugged.
	Lucy's bugged.
	She won't drop a champagne.
	We definitely need the champagne pop to make sure that you're going to be able to do it.
	We definitely need some champagne.
	I feel we need a little pick-me-up.
	All right.
	$200 TTS read is 100.
	Venmo Cash App.
	Excuse me.
	Whatever pod.
	Bless you.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Going to Kate.
	Kate here in your notes.
	Okay.
	You're crappy at relationships is what you wrote.
	You went swimming in the mountain lake after flying there in a helicopter.
	That was the first date you had?
	Yeah, kind of a date.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Was the water crystal clear?
	It was beautiful, yes.
	Beautiful.
	Did you drink the water?
	No.
	I did not drink the water.
	You, okay, so, but you're crappy at relationships.
	Why is that?
	I have been in the past, yes.
	Because I struggled with not feeling like I was worthy of things.
	So I would try too hard to make a relationship happen because it felt like if I couldn't be with somebody, it was like if they didn't want to be with me, it was a reflection of me versus me kind of trying to be like, okay, I'm just not the person for them.
	And somebody else is out there for me who is the person for me.
	So I tend to, you know, I used to get too invested in them and too anxious about them and all that type of stuff makes it pretty hard to have a great relationship.
	Okay.
	You said that you think guys, men need to step up more if they want women to be better women.
	It takes both sexes working to fix how messed up modern dating is.
	You also wrote you've gone on good dates and bad dates.
	Hold on.
	You wanted to bring a different perspective to the show.
	You have fairly conservative values and hookup culture.
	Dating is awful as a conservative woman.
	You think most of the women on the show don't understand how the way they act is affecting the dating world for other women who don't want to act that way.
	You also think a lot of guys don't understand they can affect the dating relationship world as well.
	I think you talked a bit about that, about how these OF girls, they're impacting dating.
	Yes.
	We talked about that, though.
	You said you think men should lead and women should allow them to.
	How can both genders make adjustments to make dating more enjoyable for everyone is the question that you ask.
	How can both genders make adjustments?
	Because I don't think it's going to just come from women changing.
	It's going to have to be men changing too to fix modern dating.
	So what should men do?
	I think men need to understand what being a good leader is.
	They need to be taught how to be good men.
	What's a good leader?
	Being respectful of women.
	I generally think if dating is going to get better, it's going to take both sexes not sleeping around as much and being more abstinent with sex.
	Until when?
	Until they're married.
	Until they're married, ideally, I know that.
	Is that what you're doing?
	Are you going to wait until marriage?
	Yes.
	Now, I wasn't in the past, but now, yes.
	We talked about that on the last show, so I won't linger too long on that because, well, if you guys want to watch, there was quite an extended exchange when we were talking about that, me and Kate.
	But essentially, you know, you've all your previous relationships, it sounds like you were not waiting until marriage to have sex.
	Is that correct?
	You have had sex with some men fairly early on, fairly quickly, but now your new standard is waiting until marriage.
	Oh, speaking of, hold on.
	There it is.
	Legendary.
	We love you, Clay.
	The shit.
	Probably won't be the first time getting a double in your mouth.
	Wait, what?
	Oh, double serving of champagne.
	Everybody here.
	I love you.
	Fill up the champagne.
	Yes, please.
	Just Jade still in the champagne.
	You're good?
	Everybody else?
	Clain, if you're a man, DM me on Instagram after the show.
	I'll send you a free marriage.
	There you go.
	Clan, thank you so much.
	She might hate me, so if so.
	Thanks, anyways, bud.
	I think he's delighted.
	I think he's Canadian.
	Wait, hold on.
	Oh, you better like me.
	Now he's going to hate me if I'm wrong on this.
	Thank you, Clan.
	Really appreciate it, brother.
	But Kate, so you are you.
	Is this like bullshit, though?
	Because some girls will say that they're waiting until marriage, but like they'll fuck the guy after a couple months.
	Like, what's the truth here, Kate?
	No, it's true.
	You don't believe her?
	Good morning.
	What denomination?
	You're Christian, right?
	That's Kate.
	What denomination are you?
	Non-denominational.
	Non-denominational.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, question, the last guy you were with, I assume, you know, obviously you weren't married to him, so you didn't wait till marriage.
	But may I ask, like, how long you waited with the last guy?
	I didn't.
	The last guy that I was kind of seeing, we didn't sleep together.
	How about the last guy you slept together?
	How long did you wait?
	Not long enough.
	That's why I'm changing how I'm acting because I don't think it's super important to the conversation.
	Kind of material to the conversation.
	Not really.
	Because what you're going to do is you're going to end up saying that if I slept with him, it's going to be unfair to make somebody else wait later.
	And I don't, it doesn't really matter.
	I'm not going to say that, are you, Brian?
	Brian, Dennis Brian.
	No, consent is consent.
	When it comes to.
	Just because you fucked the last dude soon doesn't mean people learn from their mistakes, man.
	That's not fair.
	I hope you don't say that, Brian.
	I'll be honest with you.
	That's what he said to me last time.
	Brian.
	What does that have to do with, hold on.
	Can you guys pass your cups down that way and I'll refill them?
	Aren't they going to all get mixed up then, though?
	Yeah, we're supposed to get double the process.
	Just do one at a time.
	That's a great point.
	Here, pass it.
	We'll do one at a time.
	So pass it down and I'll fill.
	And then we'll pass it back.
	That'll be the easiest one.
	Why, way of the highway?
	So, yeah, I guess, you know, it's going to be a hard sell for men.
	I'm not worried about that.
	I'm.
	Okay, so you're just going to be a nun for the rest of your life?
	No, I didn't say that either.
	I trust that God is going to bring the right man into my life.
	Praise the Lord.
	I trust that God is going to bring the right man into my life who is going to have similar values to mine, and he will understand where I'm coming from.
	Okay.
	I think this makes sense.
	You know, it's frustrating, I guess, in the sense that we've had a lot of girls come on the show, like claim this shit.
	We've had, even like younger Christian women who, one, they lie about being virgins, then find out not true.
	We've had girls come on the show saying, I'm waiting till marriage, and then we get an update six months later.
	They've done fucked a like.
	So these Christian women claiming they're doing something, it's fucking, it's a facade.
	It's fraud.
	It's not a facade with all of them.
	Okay, some of them are legit, but I'm telling you, a lot of these girls say one thing on the show, but behind the curtains, they're moving in a certain way.
	You don't want to be a little bit more.
	Does she seem like the kind of girl that's doing that?
	Pastors, please.
	Like, do we really come on?
	Oh, God, you don't.
	Oh, no.
	You got fucked up.
	That's twice.
	That wasn't second spill.
	Yeah, that was you.
	That was like our slur.
	No, I'm fine.
	I'm fine.
	I'm fine.
	We have enough of that over here.
	We're aggressive.
	He just got so much.
	I'm going to wait.
	All right, pastors.
	Oh.
	So, wait, sorry, what was the question?
	I didn't have a question.
	No.
	You were just talking about the question.
	You had a question and I was answering.
	Oh, my question was: come on, guys.
	We don't believe Katie.
	Kate?
	Kate?
	We don't believe Katie.
	I don't believe it.
	Come on.
	I don't believe it.
	You don't know.
	You're not going to believe me, though.
	I can say it.
	But here's what's going to happen.
	Here's what's going to happen.
	You're going to run into a guy who you really like, who you really like, and you're in your late 30s, and he's in his late 30s and 40s.
	Y'all, both of y'all have done, had a bunch of.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me rewind that.
	I'm not going to say you've had a bunch of sexual experience, but you guys are adults.
	You guys have had sexual relationships.
	A lot of men, even Christian men, ain't going to wait for marriage.
	They might not wait, but I want to find somebody who is going to try to wait.
	Huh?
	Did you get your shit?
	No, I'm fine.
	I'm fine.
	Okay, okay.
	I want to be with a man whose intention is to try as much as mine is.
	But okay, let's assume accidents happen.
	So if something happens, it can happen.
	If she's in a loving relationship and they decide to fuck, what's wrong with that?
	My intention.
	And you should own that too.
	If it happens, it happens.
	My intention is to wait.
	Right.
	Your intention is to wait.
	I can't tell you what's going to happen in the future, but my goal is to not do that until I'm going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, but when you guys have been dry humping for three months and you're really turned on by.
	So here's the thing: if I'm with a man who has the same intentions as I do, we aren't going to be dry humping for months beforehand.
	If we both want to wait, we aren't going to be doing those things that are going to invite sexual temptation.
	Perhaps.
	I'm going to get my response after we do a cheers.
	Clay, you are fucking legend, sir.
	Cheers to Clay.
	Celebrate.
	Cheers.
	Woo-hoo.
	Yay.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, get the ball.
	There wasn't much left.
	Crazy.
	Thank you, Clay, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it a lot.
	I guess just the issue is: we have, I'm not saying this is going to be the case for you.
	We've had a lot of these Christian women who come on, claim one thing.
	And then, like, we had this one girl.
	She's like, well, I had sex with like two guys.
	One of them was my boyfriend.
	She came back on the show a second time.
	But the first time she was on the show, she said, I'm going, I'm 100% waiting until marriage.
	And then she comes back on the show the second time, oopsies.
	I had an oopsie.
	I had a little sneaky link with my ex-boyfriend, and then we fucked, and now we're broken up again.
	And it's just like, they say one thing on the show, but I don't know.
	But I don't need to convince you, though.
	Can I ask you a question, Brian?
	But what I'm saying is, is there's this, and absolutely.
	Chloe, just one sec, though.
	Is they're gonna say you're gonna give different treatment to different men.
	So there's this, like, on one hand, you have girls who are gonna make a dude wait three months, six months till marriage in your case, but then they done fucked other dudes really quickly.
	And it's this, like, it's this sort of lack of symmetry in the treatment that you give certain men.
	And I think it's a raw deal for the guy who he's gonna be the one who gives the fullest commitment.
	He's gonna be the one who gives marriage.
	But you done fucked guys like first, second, third.
	That's a raw deal.
	You're proving their point, though, that they were making earlier when they said that if somebody does OnlyFans or somebody does this thing, society will not let them change.
	And that's unfair.
	I disagree.
	I mean, I have millions and millions of followers, and most of them know what I used to do.
	And I don't think they judge me for it because I think it's about like intention.
	But he's saying that men aren't going to be okay with them making them wait because they've slept with somebody earlier.
	Well, then go find somebody who's easy.
	What?
	Exactly.
	Brian, I have a question.
	Do you have, in your history of dating, have you dated women that have ended up being like just like brutally dishonest with you?
	Or maybe like your parents' relationship?
	Did one parent, were they like super just like dishonest and just shitty to the other one?
	Are we psychoanalyzing that?
	Was it mother?
	I am.
	Yeah, my parents are still married.
	They're happily, they've been happily married for a very long time.
	Okay, so whatever.
	My point has been completely debunked already.
	You don't know my point.
	Hey, man.
	You're trying to make some inference like, oh, wow, Brian must have had a traumatic or his parents or whatever.
	My parents are happily married.
	I can come to these determinations without having like a dysfunctional family dynamic.
	But to answer your other question, most of the relationships I've had have been quite good.
	There hasn't been like anything super crazy.
	I've had like one or two bad first or well, bad first dates, that's another thing.
	But actual relationships, aside from one, they've all been like, I have really nothing bad to say about the vast majority of my exes.
	So let's agree with him because like you're going to look at the examples you have.
	And just like with choices in life, a lot of people will judge you for what you chose to do, but they won't also see the options you had.
	And there are a lot of people who do come from really bad backgrounds and have these skewed views.
	And quite frankly, like it's admirable.
	She does want to wait till marriage.
	And I have my roommate right now as a virgin who's also waiting.
	But like, and I actually admire that and I respect her.
	But, you know, that doesn't mean everybody has that opportunity to just live a very noble, honorable lifestyle based on like their circumstances, their family or whatever.
	Katie, or Kate, your question was, well, should people not change?
	I think it's fine.
	What I'm saying, though, is.
	Fuck what I was saying then.
	Well, hold on.
	We'll come back to it.
	But Kate, you can change.
	I'm not saying you should continue just, I mean, I'm not, you haven't disclosed like your past all that much.
	So I'm not saying that just continue being a strumpet.
	Maybe you've only had sexual encounters and they were mostly all long-term relationships.
	But this idea that, okay, you're now going to go to waiting until marriage, you can do it.
	I'm giving the perspective.
	I'm not saying you can't do it.
	I'm just giving the male perspective on this and a bird's eye view analysis of what I think is fair.
	I think it's a really raw deal for a guy to marry a woman and wait until marriage when she done fucked 100.
	I'm not saying you did this.
	She done fucked 100 dudes on the first night.
	So that's like just looking at the pieces on the chessboard.
	That's like kind of a shitty position to be in.
	I'm not expecting to find a guy who's still a virgin for one.
	I'm expecting that whoever I find is going to have had a past.
	And I'm expecting that whoever he is, he has had a similar change of heart that I have had.
	And he is going to want to wait as well.
	And that us working together, we will make the right decisions to not put ourselves into temptation.
	Are you mainly dating other Christians?
	I'm not dating anybody right now.
	But like, would you be in the future?
	I think, you know, they would be more forgiving, I think, with pasts.
	Well, the people that she's dating are.
	The right man will be.
	I'm not worried about it.
	I think that the right man is going to come into my life who can be forgiving of my past because he's had his own past.
	And we will both be on the same page with wanting to wait.
	And we will help each other with wanting to wait instead of trying to tempt each other.
	Sure.
	And your specific situation is typically when this waiting for sex conversation comes up.
	Look, a woman could have had a thousand sexual partners.
	She fucked all of them within five minutes of meeting.
	Then she meets, and she did that like literally last night.
	And then she meets a new guy and she's like, wow, I really like this guy.
	We're going to wait six months.
	I'm going to make them wait because I actually like them.
	Yes, I am.
	that's so I understand how messed up that is from the guy's perspective that's like that's not like I'm good All these guys I don't care about, they can come in my pussy right away.
	But the guy who's actually worthy of a relationship, the guy who's actually worthy of the relationship, he has to wait.
	Isn't that kind of backwards?
	No, I understand your point also, too.
	Like, this is a bigger societal problem like most of these discussions we're having now.
	Like, people are allowed to change, yes, but when you're starting from certain values or you've been traumatized, that's a little bit harder to like make that switch, if that makes sense.
	Because once you come through trauma, like you're kind of jacked up in the head, like you need your own like self-treatment.
	And then you can open up your array of dating.
	Who's going to be willing to deal with your trauma?
	Are you healed at that point?
	Does that act, does that allow different access to different men?
	And then are they forgiving once they come into contact with you?
	I just want to know why we're so concerned about what Kate does with her Hello Kitty.
	Shouldn't we just like, leave that like to?
	I'm just.
	I'm confused because there seems to be like, if a woman says, you know, I'm gonna, you know, maybe I like she doesn't even have to be a hoax, she just likes this guy, and she's like, you know what, we're gonna sleep with each other like two weeks in, and then the next relationship she's like, yeah, you know, I didn't really like that.
	I want to wait longer, like I've always waited in my relationships always, I think, with my fiancé it was like the soonest and I think we slept together after like a month and a half.
	Usually I'm waiting like in between two, Three months, but who cares?
	Like, I'm just, I'm confused as to what, like, there seems to be a, what's that word?
	Like, almost like a disdain if a girl decides she wants to change her mind.
	I just don't, I don't get it.
	It's, it's implicit consent.
	And men do it all the time.
	They go through a whole phase and then they're like, wow, that did not benefit me.
	I don't like it.
	I don't want to do that with the next woman.
	And I'm just wondering, learning from our lessons doesn't always mean we're hypocritical.
	It means we learned and we grew.
	That's a part of being a human being, a well-evolved one.
	Sure.
	Well, the claim here that I'm making is not necessarily that the woman is a hypocrite, but that from the male perspective, this is a really, really raw deal.
	But again, I agree with you.
	Women can do this.
	I'm not just, there's no dispute from my position that, again, a woman could fuck a thousand men instantly, five minutes after meeting them, and then literally the next day after just having a train ran on her, she can say, I'm going to wait until marriage.
	And that's, she can absolutely do that.
	There's no dispute there.
	What I'm saying is the guy who agrees to that arrangement and ends up wifing her up, you're getting a raw deal in the same way that, for example, how would y'all feel if to try to maybe present a scenario where you can perhaps understand the male perspective?
	Imagine you were really interested in the guy.
	He claims he was really interested in you, but and you know, he's kind of saying he wants to take things slow and he doesn't want to ever take you out to like a nice fancy dinner.
	He never wants to take you on trips.
	And he's, you know, he's saying X, Y, Z, here are the reasons why, whatever.
	And then you find out that the previous four girls who he's had like really casual, non-committal, sexual, casual relationships with, and he tells you he never cared about any of those girls.
	He took all those girls he claims he doesn't care about.
	He took them to the fancy dinner.
	He took them on the trips.
	But with you, the girl that he wants to, oh my God, you're my future wife.
	No, no, no.
	You have to wait until marriage to get that.
	Doesn't that seem backwards?
	I hear that, but I also think you're kind of like if you're just using the situation of like a man and a woman, like if you're that hard-pressed about what the man did with his money before you with other women, you probably shouldn't be in a relationship.
	Like you might be a little stuck up, a bit of a gold digger, like who cares?
	It's just it's individual.
	Every relationship is different and we learn and we grow in different relationships.
	So I do see your point and I think that's valid, but I also see hers and I think it's like just as valid.
	And I think Brian, I think part of it seems sick of me.
	I'm not sick.
	I think part of it too can be that, okay, is this a girl who, like you said, the night before just got a train ran on her and then she meets a guy she likes and she's like, I'm going to make money out.
	Or is this somebody who is going, I've made mistakes in my past for the past several years.
	I have not been that person and I'm not engaging in that behavior anymore.
	I'm just, I'm using that more extreme scenario to try to like break through to make try to make sense of how it could be how the guy could feel slided by this sort of situation.
	Now, in this case, you're going to find a guy who, I mean, I hope you, it would, I would recommend you disclose this early on to save your own time, but also to save the guy's time, but primarily to save your time.
	But I mean, I won't be dating anybody who doesn't want to wait.
	Okay.
	I mean, just say it up front.
	And if the guy accepts it, he accepts it.
	I think it's a raw deal for both sexes at this point in dating because that's a scenario that I'm sure a lot of men have encountered.
	And women changing from that scenario is something that's probably happening more often than not, probably nowadays.
	So I think it's hard for both sides.
	Also, again, once you come to that realization, then you switch your mindset and you're looking for different people.
	Maybe you have a list of non-negotiables now that you didn't have before, and that shrinks your dating pool.
	Who knows?
	Yeah, you can always change.
	Like myself, I'm a great example.
	Like, you know, I'm not shy.
	I own my mistakes.
	Like, there's you could see a picture of me naked on the internet.
	It is what it is.
	But at the end of the day, I got accepted by a conservative Arabic Christian family who like came from Iraq.
	So, like, and I look like this.
	So, like, if they accepted me, you can do it.
	But you got to be genuine in your like in your intentions, though.
	You can't be like, have a train ran on on you and then the next day be like, I'm holy.
	Like, you have to put some work in.
	And I put years of work in.
	And it's a self-accountability thing, too.
	Like, do you really want to make that change for your next partner?
	Yeah.
	Like, how about this?
	I'll give you guys an anecdote from my own life.
	This was, I think, a couple years ago.
	I don't know, four or five years ago.
	Or wait, three, four, five years ago, something like that.
	Don't remember the exact timeline.
	I was on the state with this girl and it was like third, fourth date, and she wasn't wanting to go to have sex.
	And like, we were kissing, making out, whatever, but she didn't want to like go further.
	And like, so, hey, totally respect that.
	You say, okay, cool.
	We can stop.
	In fact, like, if a girl's like, doesn't want to go further, I don't even want to make out anymore.
	I'm just like, nah, I'm good.
	Anyways, not sure why I shared that.
	Okay, Brian.
	No, it's like, I'm not going to fucking just make out with you for 30 minutes.
	Nah, like, I'll give you a peck on the lips, but that's it.
	When you're ready for sex, then we can do some more shit.
	So she told me, she was like, no, but you know, I kind of want to wait.
	I was like, okay.
	But then she told me that she had previously, like a month, no, it was like two, three months earlier, she had had like a friends with benefits.
	And I asked her, well, how long did you wait with him?
	She was like, well, I fucked him right away.
	And I was like, from my perspective, I'm like, she doesn't have an actual issue or some sort of like virtue about waiting.
	It was just, she was like, oh, well, I'm categorizing Brian as a long-term potential.
	But I'm like, you done fucked another dude.
	Yeah.
	That's really quick.
	I feel the unfairness of that.
	And so I'm going to relate to that.
	I'm just.
	And then.
	Because it's like, what did he have that I don't have?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it makes you compare.
	It like forces you.
	You're not just comparing naturally.
	They like make you like put you in that headspace.
	Yeah, I get it.
	And I've encountered that before.
	And look, I'm not, if I meet a girl, we don't have to have sex right away.
	But if like, I'd at least, you know, if you're if you gave a guy different treatment, and then I don't know.
	Maybe it's like a male eagle thing because you're comparing at that point.
	Yeah.
	Well, men are taught to like they compete with each other a lot.
	Right.
	So it's like, what did he have that I don't have?
	I want to touch on something that was talked about earlier with women with high body counts.
	Just one sec.
	I'll let you get to it.
	I got to let the chat.
	Got to let the chat come through.
	And then we have one more.
	I take back my initial attainment of the two to your left.
	If I only got plugged like a leak on a submarine, dudes aren't looking to go down on the ship.
	The second one, still okay.
	Wait, who's this referencing?
	Wait, what?
	Two to your left.
	I don't get that.
	It sounds like you guys were making more sense originally.
	And then he's like, I take that back.
	Now only one of us is making sense.
	We have to rock, paper, scissors.
	Thank you, Clan.
	Appreciate it, Claim.
	I have one more coming in, and then Chloe will give you the floor.
	Vector.
	Unless you like that.
	You should not.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I want to add one thing to what I was saying with that girl who that I was dating briefly for it was like three or four years ago, whatever.
	I was, I liked her, and I wanted, I was actually interested in a long-term relationship, but she was intentionally withholding as some sort of like game to like get me to commit.
	But I was already feeling her.
	Like, I was not trying, because at least the way I move, I'm not interested in the one-time thing.
	I'm not, if I'm going to sleep with a girl, there's going to be continuity absent her, I don't know, some weird shit going on post-sex.
	But if I sleep with a girl, there's intentionality.
	I want to continue seeing her.
	But when she told me that, like, I would have, we would have done already.
	Wait, what the fuck am I saying?
	We would have already been, we would have been in a long-term relationship, but she kind of fumbled that shit.
	She ruined the game.
	She played too many games.
	She played a game.
	I don't really know.
	I would have.
	Yeah.
	That's fair for you to like.
	I don't like the idea that women control the relationship with sex.
	I always, I always thought it was like disgusting to try to weaponize the ability to have sex with your partner as a way to get things that you want.
	Oh, maybe.
	Because that does happen a lot.
	I just lose interest, too.
	Yeah.
	I just lose it.
	Like, I, because for me, I don't want to ever be in a situation where I'm like, I'm never the pushy guy.
	Like, you know, I'll make a move, but if you say, like, if you're like, no, I'm okay.
	I'm like, it's over.
	I'm getting up.
	We're not making out anymore.
	It's over.
	But I'll quickly, you know, the first one or two times if she wants to wait a bit, okay.
	But if she's not enthusiastic about wanting that, it's a wrap.
	I'm not interested on to the next one.
	Because I want to deal with a girl who has like genuine desire.
	She wants to, what was that, Lindsay?
	Thank you next by Hariana Cron.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, don't play games with Brian guys.
	I need to play games, so I'll turn on his PS5.
	I think that having an emotional connection is just as poor.
	Sorry, I think having a sexual connection and a sexual need for the other person or want for the other person is just as important as cultivating an emotional connection with somebody.
	Like, if you, if that's your person and that's the only person you're doing that with, like, it should be special.
	It should be something that you guys like make happen together.
	Like, I don't know, if that makes sense.
	Like, you, you got to spend time both with the sexual side of things and the emotional side of things.
	And I think those come, those become a beautiful thing whenever you can have both in the relationship.
	Chloe, you wanted to say something there before the chat?
	No, I forgot.
	It's going too long.
	Oh, I remember.
	We were having a conversation.
	You were outside.
	I don't think you were here, but it was about women with like high body counts.
	And we were talking about trauma and it's like, you know, women who have been told that that's all their value is and stuff like that.
	And I just found it super ironic because I got roasted for saying that to live as a man is to live a traumatized experience of a woman.
	And I just think you guys like proved me right because men are taught constantly right from young that they need the notches in their belt.
	They need to sleep with all these women.
	And that's just supposed to be normal.
	And we almost like clown them.
	We're like, oh, well, we're judged and you guys have it so easy.
	But then when we go through that and our value is placed on how much we can like put out or whatever, then it's like this traumatizing experience, which it does.
	It does stem from trauma and stems from us being told that that's like all our value is.
	So I just find it super interesting that we have to be traumatized in order to live what most men go through daily.
	I don't think men are necessarily told that their worth is based on their body count.
	Yes, they are.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I have a little boy.
	Have a little boy, and I had a friend like a year and a half ago at my house that actually kicked out of my house because she wouldn't stop making comments to him saying that he was going to be such a lady small man and look at all those girls you got.
	Yeah, I'm like, he's two.
	What do you, yeah, absolutely.
	It starts right from young on how many, they don't necessarily say how many women you can sleep with, but being able to get with women, have lots of girlfriends, and we're in today's society where hookup culture is very, I mean, men get clowned for being virgins all the time.
	We literally say that to them as an insult.
	Like, what are you, an incel virgin?
	Like, it's, we definitely shit on men if they're virgins.
	Yeah.
	So I just, I just, I just found that interesting.
	And that I am right.
	Yeah.
	When guys go, when guys go out in groups, you know, they like antagonize each other and they're like, oh, you're not going to pull tonight.
	Yeah.
	It's like, don't put that much pressure on it.
	But at the end of the day, it's like how we were talking about that when we go through that and we like, you know, go through these promiscuous phases at the end of the day, it's like traumatizing because we're still left feeling empty.
	And that's men.
	And that's why I say you guys should not be, don't listen to that.
	Don't be out here sleeping with whoever you can because men do that.
	And at the end of the day, they still feel lost.
	They still feel alone.
	They still take up the majority of the suicide rate, the homeless rate, the homicide rate.
	So just a little tidbit.
	We have some messages here from Vermillion.
	He's, this is kind of quite a few things.
	He says, the problem is women are giving things away for free for some men and asking more from others.
	You can't let men joyride a car and then make up charge for a used car, upcharge for a used car.
	They don't wait.
	I've heard this a million times.
	Women do not wait when they have genuine desire.
	They don't want a guy who waits.
	They want a guy who sticks around.
	Left you.
	Okay.
	He also says.
	I don't necessarily disagree with that.
	If a guy took every single other girl on a date and committed and then only wanted to sleep with her, would they have a raw deal?
	I don't understand.
	Is that a fair, is that a comparison, though?
	Genuine question.
	If a guy goes out on a date with all these women and he's like, you're not good enough to sleep with, but chooses to sleep with one, is he shitting out the other women that he didn't sleep with?
	That's a fair question, right?
	What do you think, Brian?
	Do you feel like you have slighted women that you didn't give your purple-headed yogurt slinger to?
	Why all her bonds?
	You guys must not be familiar with my content.
	My bad, guys.
	I don't know.
	There's probably a differential there, I guess.
	What is that?
	Like, I don't think women are that.
	I don't think women are as sex motivated as men.
	We are.
	Well, I think, for example, I think women enjoy sex more than women use.
	But I think this idea more.
	Like men are motivated.
	Men are just, well, I mean, when it comes to testosterone, men are just like hornier.
	Men want more.
	I think men want sex more.
	Not to say, well, hold on.
	Look, okay, hold on.
	Hold on.
	As a general statement, I think this is the case.
	I also think it is the case that women in relationships, if they really are attracted to the guy and they're in love, they can have a voracious sexual appetite.
	So I'm not saying that women are these prudish creatures that are engaging in sex out of some sort of duty.
	I think women, they enjoy sex, they like sex.
	Oftentimes, they sometimes have higher sex drive than men.
	But as a sort of generalized statement, I think men are more motivated by sex.
	Yeah, I can agree with that.
	Yeah.
	Women's also, it fluctuates during our cycle.
	So like when we're ovulating, it's like the looty old stage or whatever.
	It's very real.
	I'm like, I'm going to take Brian right now.
	What stage are you in?
	I know obviously.
	I've got a couple examples I'd love to give you guys here.
	I'm going to give you three analogies, maybe four.
	Who here wants a guy to pay for the first date?
	Okay.
	So let's say you really like this particular guy.
	You go on a date.
	Everything is great.
	But you find out he wants to go 50-50 with you until you guys are married.
	Then you learn his last three girlfriends, he paid for everything, rent, dates, vacations.
	He even went on a date a week before he went on a date with you and he paid the entire bill.
	How does that make you feel?
	I actually experienced something like this with the fake spy guy.
	Before me, he dated two women and he got them both boob jobs.
	He got them both like all the face stuff they wanted, bought them new cars, bought them new houses, blah, blah, blah.
	Whenever they broke up, he literally bought them a new place so that they could be secure and safe in their life.
	We started dating.
	He's telling me he wants to marry me.
	He wants to spend the rest of his life with me.
	He's trying to get me to move in, all this stuff.
	But he says that he won't, like at that point, he was like, I would never give you a boob job unless we were married.
	And I was like, but you gave two other girls.
	He's buying titties for me.
	It's easy for you to do it for my titties.
	I give a lot of advice to men, but I'd like to give some advice to women.
	Any guy you're dealing with, and if he wants to pay for you to get plastic surgery, I think that's a red flag.
	Yeah, I think that's a red flag.
	So a little advice for the ladies here.
	If he's like trying to get you to get your tits done.
	I think in my case, I was the one that wanted to get my tits done.
	Also, did you hear from them that he paid for it?
	No, I didn't.
	I don't hear from them because he might have.
	I've been telling you that to get you on the hook to be like, oh, he might pay for mine.
	I already know he's a victim.
	He might have.
	Wait.
	My issue with Roma is she gained a lot of weight.
	Also, she's a scammer.
	She takes payment for content she never delivers.
	If you comment about it on her videos, it gets erased.
	I'm not the only one.
	What content are people paying for?
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Is it bogus?
	I'm so confused.
	And I did gain weight.
	I'm not going to get offended here, but I just want to point out that I was literally anorexic and 108 pounds.
	And this is what a healthy body looks like.
	Thank you.
	This is what healthy bodies look like, okay?
	All right.
	Yeah, tell my stomachs like Brian.
	Shut up.
	No, it's not.
	We have Master Monkey Man 34.
	Wait, you read this.
	The eternally conquered Welsh spirit, Chairful, has won the blind voice review again.
	But her fake English accent is a product of, what does that say?
	I can't read it.
	Elocution.
	Elocution.
	I'll ask her to use her real accent for the rest of the show.
	This is my real accent.
	I'm sorry.
	People are mad that I'm fat.
	They're mad at your accent.
	I'm mad at.
	Wales, sometimes I do get a little bit of a Welsh accent going.
	Just a blend in.
	I got to give you a few more scenarios, though.
	Okay.
	You go to an ice cream shop.
	There's 10 people in line in front of you.
	Each of those 10 people get the ice cream for free.
	You finally get to the front of the line.
	And now they tell you it's going to be $100.
	How would that make you feel?
	How would that make you feel?
	And they're announcing the ice cream shop.
	Free ice cream, free ice cream.
	Get some free ice cream.
	But not for you.
	Can I ask Brian?
	Oh, one more.
	Okay.
	What is, because I know that you believe in like a threshold.
	So what is the threshold for being able?
	Because we can't all stay logically consistent always, right?
	We grow and we change.
	So, what is the bar for you?
	Obviously, like a girl getting a train ran on her one night and then the next day trying to like act like she loves Jesus, logically inconsistent.
	But, you, for example, I've been watching you for a few years and you have like you've grown in a lot of different ways.
	Your opinions have changed, they've grown, they've evolved, they've become more intellectually interpreted.
	So, what is the line where people can kind of stray away from how they used to think or used to feel?
	Do you think there's a time gap?
	Is there like what would that look like?
	Sure.
	I mean, I think it's it makes more sense if there's been a gap of time.
	Like in Kate's case, she says she's been celibate for a year and a half or whatever.
	I don't know, she's and it's fine, but she doesn't want to reveal too much about her past history.
	I think that's less of a raw deal, of course, than if, you know, let's say Kate, she just had a one-night stand a week ago and then she's coming on the podcast saying, acting like she got standards.
	She's saying, Oh, well, I'm waiting until marriage now.
	I would find this a bit dubious, but given that she, at least what she said, she's been celibate for a year and a half, that comes off to me as yes, it is less of a raw deal.
	So, there's not, it's not black or white, there's nuance to this, but uh, can we have her read them for the rest of the night?
	I just want to hear her accent.
	I should have had her do kind of stuff.
	Have her do all of it.
	She should have her.
	Please, please, they sound nicer, even the mean ones sound nicer.
	You gotta remind me that you're our official reader.
	Here, I have some more roundabouts.
	I've got a couple more analogies.
	How about this one?
	The better analogy is telling your date that all of your exes got five-star meals, but she gets McDonald's because you've turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than trying to impress people.
	I mean, that dude just needs to find me because I prefer McDonald's over a five-star meal, so I'll be happy with that.
	How about this?
	She's uh, imagine every woman, the man she's going for, has dated in the past, got tons of effort: trips to Hawaii, Paris, Tokyo, personally selected gifts based on her likes, excellent communication on everything she needs to know about, et cetera, but only for typically casual, you know, casual things, never for relationships.
	But now that she gets with him, he decides to be very tight with his money and effort.
	No, no trips further than Target.
	I mean, and uh, it's true, but Target, though, but when she asks, when she asks, What's up with that?
	Why, why were you so nice to these other girls?
	He responds, It's because I knew they were just momentary fun, but I think you might be the perfect partner, so you have to earn all the effort I normally just give out.
	Bye-bye.
	So, I have something to say about that.
	I think it would work, you would have to have a conversation about it.
	But if it's a guy that says something like, Hey, yeah, I was dating and I made some mistakes and I paid too quickly for things for women that took advantage of me, and I don't want that to happen with you.
	It hurt me, it didn't do anything for me.
	And he's saying, I want to approach this relationship in a healthier way where I know that you aren't looking at me for just my money, so I prefer to split things 50-50 until we are in a committed place, like at a place where both people are comfortable and he's he's feeling more secure with it.
	You aren't just there for his money.
	So, if it's a guy who's saying, Hey, for the past three girlfriends, I took them here, I took them here, I paid for this, I paid for that, and they cheated on me and they left me.
	So I am damn, I'm hurt from that and I don't want you to do the same thing.
	That's a little different.
	And I think if the woman really actually likes the man, she would be willing to look at that and go, okay, I can understand your pain and your hurt in that situation.
	So I'm okay, you know, doing this right now, knowing that in the future, if he's like, hey, when we're married, sure, no problem.
	I'll pay for it, whatever.
	I just don't want to get burned again.
	I've been hurt.
	Right.
	But okay, it's my analysis is my analysis here is from the other person's perspective.
	So in this case, the guy's allowed to do that.
	Oh, some girl used him for money, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
	He wants to switch up.
	He wants to go 50-50 on dates.
	He only wants to go for walks.
	He wants to do something free or cheap.
	The guy can do that.
	But if that woman who he's going on a date with, she finds out that a week before or all the previous relationships he's had finds out that he did all this extra shit, bought flowers, gifts, et cetera, and she felt a type of way about that.
	I wouldn't falter for feeling a type of way or thinking a type of way, thinking, hmm, this seems a bit unfair.
	Does he actually, is he actually really interested?
	Does he have genuine desire for me?
	Or what's going on here?
	And that's hard.
	So that's the analysis.
	I think having that conversation about that is going to be very telling.
	If the man tells the woman, I've been hurt by this.
	I've been burned by this before.
	And I would really prefer it if we can do things 50-50.
	And she says, well, I'm not interested then.
	Then I think that's pretty clear that she's not interested in him.
	She wants his money.
	I don't think it's actually wrong for a woman to have a sort of expectation when it comes to dating on this.
	Like if a girl wants a guy to pay for the dinner, I don't think that that's, I don't think that's necessarily an indicator that she's just after his money.
	You wanted to wait on this?
	It's harder for a woman to pressure a man into paying for things and doing certain stuff for her, but it's easier for a man to pressure women into sex.
	Wait, hold on.
	I disagree.
	Hold on.
	Because a lot of girls who have had, like, let's say, only one time sleeping with a man, it could be because, you know, he said, I want a relationship with you.
	And like, come on, let's do this.
	Like, you want to be with me.
	He could do one and done and then leave.
	Sure, he could lie.
	And so I'm just saying, I think it's easier for a man to like sort of be more dominant over a woman and pressure her into doing that than a woman being like, pay for this, pay for that, do that, do this.
	Or maybe I'm just totally following.
	I say it would, I think it'd be far more likely that when it that it's it's a much more common occurrence that men because I mean all first dates don't result in a sexual encounter so I would say the the rate of this happening where there's like a social a generalized cultural And social pressure for men to pay for first dates.
	This is something that occurs more than specific sexual encounters.
	Yeah, you're just sort of comparing the two things: the men paying for things and then the sex is what that's what you're comparing these two analogies.
	So I'm just saying I think one is a little more probable.
	What do you mean, probable?
	Are you saying it's more probable that men get sex from women?
	Pressure women into doing things more probable that more probable that they're.
	Wait, wait, women go on foodie dates without any intention of anything long term.
	That's all.
	Or even if she is going into the date with genuine intentions, plenty of women, like I would say, women go on more first dates and don't end up sleeping with the guy.
	Like women go on a lot of first dates and don't fuck the guy.
	Women don't have, they don't have to say, buy me this or do this for me because it's already a social expectation.
	I think is Brian's point.
	Yes, yes.
	But I think comparing sleeping with somebody to buying them a dinner is different.
	I think the comparison would be more likely to be like, hey, I can push you into sex or can I push you into like buying me a trip to Hawaii?
	Yeah.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like sex is not as cheap as just a meal.
	Yeah, but that's not the comparison that's being made.
	The analogy is to not say that a specific meal is the same value as a sexual encounter.
	No, but I think what she was trying to get at was like, men give love to get sex and women give sex to get love.
	And that's something like I was even taught in high school.
	But like it's just, it's not everybody, obviously.
	You can't culture.
	That's way different.
	That does not apply.
	Literally manipulate men into falling in love with me and or having deep emotional connection to me so that I can get money from them.
	Like if we're going to break it down, like but how do you manipulate them?
	Like do they make them think that they're going to love them and you like what's where you're like as in the way that you talk, the way that you move, like the way that you do, like the way that you text, all that stuff.
	It's all playing into me getting what I would like from that person.
	They are also doing the same thing with me.
	Maybe they're just more honest and like, hey, I would like sex.
	And I'm like, okay, I would like.
	So do you feel like it's easier for women to do it than for men?
	I think it's way, I think it's way more common and easier for women to string along men with the just the idea that they might be able to, what is it, smash or whatever.
	That's like coming from a sex worker point of view rather than like just the dating scenario that they're talking about.
	Well like I'm not gonna have sex with a guy because he's like, hey, I might have sex with you, you know?
	But like I feel like a girl would be like, hey, I might have sex with you and then they'll buy them whatever they want, even if they never actually do get to that point.
	I think men do that with committed relationships though.
	I think men do that with committed relationships.
	They say, yeah, maybe I'll commit to you one day.
	Maybe I'll marry you one day.
	I want to get married.
	To manipulate them into sleeping with them when they have no intention of actually being with them.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I can see both sides of it for sure.
	I don't know.
	Women get more out of sex anyways.
	Do we?
	No, just kidding.
	I don't know.
	Y'all be fucking twitching your legs and shit, multiple orgasms.
	Come on.
	What?
	What are you doing about that?
	What?
	What?
	Are the orgasms in the room with us?
	Women are hot in here.
	Women, y'all be coming like four or five times fucking.
	I mean, if you're all lucky, Brian, all women.
	Lots of them fake it, Brian.
	Some women lose an experience.
	You are in one white plus and menu.
	Not once.
	I'm not saying they're faking it with you.
	I'm just saying they're faking general.
	They might come to women leave an experience very let down.
	I only act interested if I'm actually having fun.
	If I'm not having fun, then let's just stop for a little bit.
	But if you're having fun, you're not acting though, right?
	If you're having fun, you're not acting.
	What do you mean?
	I only act interested if I'm having fun.
	No, no.
	I am interested in having a connection with these people, but again, like there is the, if they weren't paying me, would I still go and spend my time with them?
	No.
	Yeah.
	And they know that.
	And I know that.
	Guys, we're lowering the TTS for the rest of the show to $99 TTS.
	And we have, oh, Dan sent one in before this came in, but Dan.
	Dan donated $200.
	Look at Roma's Patreon.
	Comments of guys asking where their promised pictures are.
	And she advertises NSFW content with a higher tier, and you don't find out it doesn't exist until it's too late.
	But if I advertise it, then how can I?
	I'm confused.
	Look, there are a lot of people.
	You need to make sure that you're like vetting properly because there's somebody in Texas that has a fucking OnlyFans with my like profile picture.
	So I'm just not buying it.
	I don't know why this guy keeps paying money to keep saying this shit.
	It's fake news.
	Yeah, we're just not buying it.
	Okay, we have $100 TTS, streamlines.com/slash whatever.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Okay, moving on to Kenna.
	Or wait, no, we already did your notes.
	Moving on, baby Tay.
	Big booty, baby Tay.
	Single as a Pringle.
	Is it how you described yourself?
	You said one ex, he was a serial cheater and now going to jail for shooting his ex.
	Oh my god.
	Yes, on the 11th.
	She tried to run him over and he shot her in the leg.
	Oh, well, she was trying to run him over.
	Wait, so what?
	He's very addicted to alcohol, cocaine, very, very wild.
	I heard from a friend of a friend.
	I don't know if she tried to run him over, but he shot her while she was in the car and it went through her leg.
	Did she survive?
	Oh, yeah, she still.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	She's chilling.
	Let's see here.
	We have.
	That's not lovely.
	You wanted to talk about dating?
	You wanted to talk about dating a sex worker and the benefits?
	Yes.
	I'm actually so happy that you have a relationship.
	I'm honestly just loving that.
	Yes, I'm loving it.
	Because I want a relationship like that.
	And I think it's just so this is something that I want to do.
	I'm obviously not going to do it forever.
	I have like a plan for myself.
	I want to go to school and stuff like that.
	But as of right now, this is what I want to do.
	So I have a lot of people that want to date me, but they're like, I want to date you when you're done with OnlyFans.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, I'm just going to wait.
	Wait for them.
	You're going to wait.
	You're going to wait for 10 years when they maybe don't want you anymore.
	And then try to go back to them and say, hey, I'm done with OnlyFans.
	I'm ready.
	Yeah, but I don't want to wait for them.
	That's a thing.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I was just trying to figure out what the fuck that guy was talking about.
	It's definitely.
	Baby Tay.
	You said you love the show.
	Ready to argue?
	Disagree.
	All of the above.
	What do you disagree on?
	I haven't heard any arguing yet.
	I know.
	I haven't really.
	I don't know.
	I got my ass ate by this girly over here, I guess.
	What?
	Did not.
	You went hard on me.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, you knew what?
	I've never got my ass in my life.
	What?
	She said, oh my God.
	I've only been with two women.
	I know my fiancé's heart was just like, what?
	Sorry.
	What are your disagreements?
	As of right now, I guess I don't really have any right now.
	You said you disagree when you say sex workers will never find love.
	I don't even say that, but here's my position really quickly.
	I think that women who are sex workers, it is going to close the door for some men.
	Oh, yeah.
	Perhaps a lot of men.
	Some men are just not going to want to.
	Maybe they'll.
	Well, some men will fuck you, but they won't be in a relationship with you, and some men won't want anything.
	Or they'll date you, but they're not going to take you seriously.
	Yes, there are.
	You could.
	You could find somebody good.
	Yeah.
	Sex workers, they can find boyfriends.
	They can get married.
	They can, whatever.
	They can do it.
	My fiancé wouldn't have married me if I had a body calculator.
	It does make it more difficult.
	It does make it more difficult.
	Sometimes body count shouldn't really matter if you make it.
	It does think it's 200.
	All right.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	Crystal Crystal Nalia.
	That's just your opinion.
	How do you actually say your name, though?
	Crystal Nalia?
	Crystal Nia.
	Into the mic if you can.
	Oh, Crystal.
	You're a black female conservative in Oakland, California.
	You have a master's in what?
	I'm getting my master's in public administration.
	Okay.
	And then you said you wanted to.
	Oh, you basically you don't hate men, but you had bad experience, but you don't hate men.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't hate men.
	I love penis.
	Well, loving penis and loving men.
	But I've also had bad experiences, perhaps based on previous trauma.
	And that's where it gets into like people are willing to, or if they're willing to change, then they have to go and look for a certain type of man or a partner in general.
	So that's where I am right now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Hold on one sec, guys.
	Try not.
	Somebody sent me some notes kind of last minute.
	Does anybody remember who it was?
	Was it me?
	Was it you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'll take a look at Instagram really quick.
	Oh, by the way, guys, we were supposed to have 10 people on the panel, but one person flaked.
	I want to ask the chat, do you think, or sorry, they didn't flake, but they were running like 50 minutes late.
	And then she, but she did arrive, but she was just so late.
	I had to turn her away.
	Chat, do you think that that was wrong?
	Should we have tried to accommodate her?
	Or is 50 minutes just that's way too late?
	No, that's way too late, right?
	Shitty being 15 minutes, 12 minutes late.
	I was like, oh, he's going to hate me.
	No, you got to start it off.
	Where was she coming from, though?
	Was she coming from like out of state?
	Because then maybe, yes.
	I came from Seattle and I got here on time.
	Yeah, I mean.
	I came from Canada and I came here on time.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Oh, Gemma.
	So you said, is pretty privilege a thing?
	I'm just going to blast through these.
	Yes.
	Gender roles in the home, gender roles throughout history, matriarchal versus patriarchal upbringing in the home.
	Okay, let's do this one.
	Feminism, the misinformed in the real meaning.
	So go ahead.
	I mean, I think you guys talk about this a lot too.
	Feminism, I think that's like what your whole page is about, actually, is like feminism has, it's go to like, oh, I'm a girl boss.
	I don't need no man.
	I'm an independent woman.
	I can make my own money, sell my body, do whatever I want.
	But then that's not feminism.
	Like, it's not equal.
	Like, I don't know how to explain it.
	Okay, Clain has a chat then.
	Clay donated $100.
	Women use men.
	They always have.
	We are okay with it.
	There is only one woman on this panel worth anything.
	The rest are shallow and pedantic.
	Wow.
	Which one is it?
	Oh, don't do that.
	Oh, wow, Clay.
	Why don't you tell us which one it is?
	I think there's more than one.
	There's more than one.
	Okay.
	I think feminism.
	I'm going to start a Civil War.
	I think feminism has definitely destroyed the dating pool so far just because of what you were bringing up.
	Like, there's a special place for men and women to work in tandem.
	And New Age feminism has kind of deleted what's necessary of men, kind of because women are kind of taking that role over.
	So I think New Wave feminism has just been detrimental to not only women, but the dating scene in general.
	Yeah, it's gone too far.
	I think it's been detrimental to most of our society.
	Right, right.
	Because it's enhanced like the hookup culture and things like that.
	And then women are still sad and like depressed, even though men take up a lot of the suicides.
	I think we're all just sad.
	I mean, feminism.
	I'm not sad.
	It kind of happier.
	I think feminism, as it initially began with like the suffragette movement and all that, was to create equality.
	That was a good thing.
	And then now it's.
	No, girl boss, you can do whatever you want.
	You don't need no man.
	I don't necessarily think it's there's, I don't think, like I said earlier, I don't think women or men should heavily put themselves in a position where they're 100% reliant on somebody else.
	I think that's stupid.
	What I think is being taken advantage of is it's been weaponized even to the point we saw with that crash out, Kylie, right?
	She felt like she was humiliated.
	She was wrong.
	And instead of taking back accountability, she decided to use buzzwords and like put the reputation of the men on this podcast at risk.
	She sounds like she was actually hurt the way that she's speaking.
	Oh, yeah.
	Crying and crossing.
	But that's good.
	Oh, no, girl, nobody even thinks twice.
	That's the thing, right?
	Or like situations.
	I just paid it to SA as well, which is like, you need to chill the fuck out.
	I just feel like everybody's a girl's girl until they're not like you.
	Like you're probably, would you describe yourself as a girl's girl?
	Well, you weren't here for my last time I was here on this podcast, but I was speaking up about femicide and SA and all the other things.
	Are you a girl's girl?
	Yeah, I was getting there.
	Okay, so yes, you are.
	Okay, so you're a girl's girl, yet you will take money from other wives' husbands just to pay your own bills.
	And you were kind of like, well, that's their fault for paying for sex.
	So there's this like double standard where we're like, oh, yeah, we're girls' girls until it just like no longer benefits us until we can weaponize it against each other, against men.
	And I find it absolutely moronic.
	It's supposed to be equality.
	Equality means accepting equal responsibility.
	And I see a hell of a lot of women in 2025 demanding a man from the 1960s that's going to pay their bills and do this and do that.
	Meanwhile, they want to disrespect men like a 2025 woman and just like they just don't act it.
	They don't have the decorum to demand that kind of respect.
	Then what about women like me who've been a breadwinner in every single relationship?
	And I'm a bread.
	I prefer to pay for myself and pay for them because then it's all on me.
	You prefer to pay for your partner?
	I do.
	In all instances.
	I do.
	Yeah, but what's your point?
	Everything?
	Yeah, you can't just generalize all women like that.
	How did I please be specific?
	You just did.
	No, I used a very specific.
	I used a specific example for you, which was claiming you're a girl's girl, yet knowingly taking money and taking husbands away from wives because they're paying you.
	And I said that a lot.
	Obviously, not all women.
	That's kind of a given.
	But yeah, a lot of them, you see it.
	And it's not necessarily them.
	It's the reaction to them that speaks higher to the issues with feminism.
	Because that girl can go on here and be like, I was a victim and there's people starting to go fund me.
	Or the brick lady.
	Do y'all remember the brick lady?
	You remember that woman that popped up on social media and she's like, I rejected these two black men and they hit me in the face with the brick.
	You remember that?
	She had this big swollen cheek.
	Everybody, she garnered $40,000.
	And I knew something was up with that woman.
	So I researched her.
	And she has a history of being a victim of like random, not necessarily hate crimes, just like, you know, some woman like ran her cart into her in the parking lot and she's like, oh, it's, you know, because I'm black.
	And she would get all of these different donations.
	And so I noticed that.
	I called it out and I got called a racist for an entire year.
	She's like not looking at me.
	She's like, okay.
	Anyways, I over here.
	I'm not here to interact with you.
	Okay, but you asked me a question.
	It's the victim.
	You've been rude this whole time anyway.
	So I don't want to hear you.
	She garnered $40,000.
	Nobody looked into her.
	I looked into her, got called a racist by the entire internet for a year until the authorities actually did the research into this woman.
	And I was right.
	She had an allergic reaction to Botox.
	They took CTV footage.
	There was no men that hit her in the face with a brick.
	She's now being charged, forced to pay all of that money back, and nobody thought twice.
	And I got villainized and demonized for just being honest, right?
	And it happens all the time.
	Even in this conversation, you're checked out because I'm calling you on something that you don't like.
	So you'll be abrasive.
	You'll be like, this is my opinion.
	But then the moment somebody challenges that, you're like, no, I think that's it.
	That's feminism, ladies and gentlemen.
	Thank you very much.
	I've never even called myself a feminist.
	You said you were a girl's girl.
	And then you said you are a feminist because you said last time you were on here that you were talking about femicide and all these things.
	So this is what I'm talking about: mental gymnastics.
	Because it means standing up for women's health and safety, which I think is important just as much as men's.
	Am I tripping?
	Well, I mean, just because you still asked me, that's the real definition of feminism, not the new age one.
	Just because you stand for women's, you want women to be safe and things like that.
	That's necessarily just like a human experience.
	You want that for humans.
	But when you weaponize your sexuality for a certain means to an end, then maybe that's where the new age feminism is coming in.
	You can scream, I've been, you know, graped or something like that, when in reality, maybe there's a scenario like this where nobody was even around you.
	Like, that's more often than not.
	Let me give you a scenario.
	Let's say we have a PDF file, right, who assaults their child, and then the mother does nothing about it, and then that child grows up and like uses their sexuality to then make ends meet and also like provide for the people they care about.
	Are you going to say it's completely the girl's fault?
	No.
	What?
	We said that earlier.
	No.
	Well, but that's what you're telling me.
	That's my scenario.
	I think that's how you've been coming at me.
	I'm good at anti-gymnastics.
	I think it has anything to do with somebody executed.
	Ladies, take notes from her.
	She's, I mean, I just want to give you a round of applause because I'll say one thing and you'll be like, I think that you need to.
	It's not something to be proud of.
	It actually shows very low intelligence.
	I think you need to.
	How do you feel about that, Lindsay?
	She just said you had low intelligence.
	I don't give a care.
	I'm not going to say anything.
	Both my sisters are doctors.
	I don't.
	But are you?
	No, I'm not.
	No, I don't do.
	I don't.
	No, I appreciate you.
	My dad's a police officer.
	You can't arrest me.
	I think not say that.
	I said my dad was something else.
	Can you read this for Lucy?
	I don't know.
	I think you need to be reminded.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Go ahead, Rita.
	The only one being abrasive right now is you, seat eight.
	Thank you.
	I think you need to know the definition of a brain killer.
	I can't remember what's your name.
	Thank you, Lucy.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I think you need to be reminded that you love Lucy Goosey.
	You know what, Lucy?
	You know, she did fuck 150 guys before freshman year of college.
	Host stick together.
	I'm not surprised.
	Lucy, I give her respect because Lucy Goosey, she's honest, she's honest, and she's kind of chill.
	She's kind of chilly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	She probably fucking hates me.
	She probably hates my guts.
	Not at all.
	I give her the respect.
	Her the uh credit where credit is due.
	She's honest she, she's totally open book, absolutely very open book.
	Everything's open.
	She's a thesaurus.
	Yeah yeah, go ahead, Kate.
	I think Lindsay, I think you need to be reminded that you are loved and you are worthy of real love and you don't need to use your body to get that.
	You are worth so much more.
	I'm not, I know, but saying what you said, where you said trauma and I pressed because I have a psychiatrist i'm not trying to say because you're holding her up to me ever guessed you, of all people, would be in.
	I'm saying this that shocked, three years in.
	I'm saying, don't get that from.
	I'm on 200 milligrams, Zolof man.
	That's why i'm saying i'm saying that because you mentioned that if there's a child that is treated awfully in a way that no child should ever be treated, that tends to scar people in ways that people that haven't had that done to them don't understand and it tends to make you think that your worth and your value stems from that.
	That, that and and that's why I just say I think you need to be reminded that you are worth so much more than that.
	I appreciate it and you are loved so much more than that and you are a beautiful person and that all of that stuff is not going to make you worthy, it's not going to make you whole, it's not going to complete you and in the long run, it might actually do more harm than good.
	Yeah look, I love all you guys on here, except for me, to be honest.
	But at the same time, you're looking at it from a perspective and not realizing like, how my life actually is like.
	And yeah, I put my mom through school, like i'm very proud of that and very proud of setting her up you should be proud of.
	I'm proud because i'm using myself and you know what, i'm okay with that on top of that.
	Anyways wow, that's great.
	You guys can have uh, you guys can have a therapy session after the show.
	Yeah no, I was gonna say I think many would agree that people in monogamous wait, let her read it, let her read it.
	Oh sorry, you're right, I don't want to hear you monagamist, monogamous.
	Many people would agree that people in monogamous relationships there is a word monogamous no, but there's another word, it's like Magnamis relationships shouldn't be leering at other people.
	Should you dress differently after you get into a relationship than when you are single.
	Are there any behaviors that should change after you get into a relationship?
	Thank you, Christopher.
	Don't go to the club anymore, or like bar scene.
	Uh okay, I want to dress.
	Are you asking?
	Modest in public for my husband, but then in private I would want to be like really sexy for him sweet.
	I think that's a fair like you should want that for your partner, because then that shows that they're being considerate sorry, go ahead they're being considerate and they're actually caring about how you view them, because in a relationship, you guys are giving up things and adding things at the same time, so that's a fair expectation to be changing how you dress and like things like that.
	Natalia, thank you for the membership, appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Uh, all right, where are we going?
	You know what we're gonna do, the questionnaire.
	We're pretty much all done with the uh the, the notes here, so why don't we do this?
	Any disagreements?
	Uh Gemma, you said you disagree with some of the language used, but mostly agree.
	I don't know.
	I think y'all are honestly pretty respectful.
	Um, I think you guys were having hold on.
	You guys were just having this really sweet, wholesome moment and I just obnoxiously boring, wow, i'm a, i'm a huge dick, what the fuck?
	Really respectful.
	Such a respectful person.
	I think I'm going to take back what I said about the lady.
	Now you're homies.
	Are you a Caucasian?
	Bob.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Are you my Caucasian?
	Is what I want to say.
	She's my Caucasian.
	All right.
	I think that responsibility is.
	You're my Caucasian.
	Are you Italian or what are you?
	I'm French, Canadian, Portuguese, and Tatani, San Native American.
	Dang.
	Is she my Canadian chat?
	French, Canadian, Portuguese, and Tani San.
	Jade is definitely my Caucasian.
	Definitely.
	Are you white?
	Latina?
	I'm French-Canadian.
	That's yeah.
	There are so many Canadians, right?
	My Caucasian.
	51st state.
	You can't say that, Brian.
	You can't say that, Brian.
	Well, I can't say the other word, but you're my Caucasian.
	Is that more offensive?
	Like to call a black person a white person?
	No, it's hilarious.
	I'm going to take this back to my community and tell them.
	I have a pass now.
	What am I to you?
	You're my Caucasian.
	Okay, I thought you were about to say the other one.
	Nah, Brian.
	Not here.
	But if a black person says that to a white person, it's a compliment.
	That's right.
	Like, that's a big, not the Caucasian one, the other one.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're my Caucasian.
	I don't know African-American.
	People were walking around saying, you're my Caucasian.
	I will be now.
	That was the most Caucasian.
	I'm too much of a Caucasian to do that.
	Let's see here.
	We have.
	What do we have?
	What do we have?
	Oh, we got.
	Let's do Twitch really quick.
	Barry Gooseman.
	Thank you for the tier one.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	Guys, I think the follow button is bugged.
	I think the prime button is bugged.
	It's been broken all night.
	Can you guys just do a little test?
	Test out if the follow button works.
	Test out if the Twitch Prime button works.
	Test it out, guys.
	All right, we're going to blast through the questionnaire.
	And fingers crossed, not too late of a show, but any disagreements, though, from anybody with me or Chloe.
	I know, y'all.
	Or Chloe.
	Not stuff we talked about previously, but.
	I think you're great.
	And to answer your question, I don't have anything against hoes.
	I have everything against delusional hoes.
	You could be.
	I used to be a hoe.
	I'm not.
	I'm in no different boat.
	I'm just real about it.
	That's the difference.
	Well, you just seem to have like a small hatred in your heart for hoes.
	Like that.
	Where do you come up?
	What do you dancing on the chino?
	Oh, we have Dan here.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, boy.
	Dan donated.
	I think this is your hater.
	Nobody has to believe my claims.
	But ladies, don't take any crap from Chloe.
	Yeah.
	She's the last person who needs to be running her mouth.
	Yeah.
	That's right, Dan.
	I'm done taking your crap, Chloe.
	Is this like one of your exes?
	They found online.
	No, I don't know.
	He's spent a lot of money.
	He's spent it.
	Yeah.
	Where's the champagne pop to prove that you really hate her?
	Yeah.
	That's what we need.
	Yep.
	A champagne pop will really prove that they hate her.
	Champagne pop if you truly hate Chloe.
	Literally.
	Right now.
	Yeah, I don't know what that is.
	Thank you, George.
	Appreciate it.
	We have a TTS coming through here.
	Guys, $100 TTS.
	Streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	$100 TTS.
	Get him in, boys.
	If you have a question, get him in.
	There it is.
	Oh, Vector donated $100.
	Vector the OG.
	Sex peddlers aren't working.
	It's not a job.
	Earning money by manipulating others into intimacy.
	What poppycock?
	What poppycock?
	What garbage?
	Ayet Brian has dominated $100 of my nephew's life.
	Wow.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	By the way, I've noticed some of you girls have gotten up during the show and still haven't paid me my tribute.
	You ain't getting cheese.
	Chloe Brown and Kate have been the only ones so far to pay me a tribute.
	I'll win though later.
	I don't care.
	I think I got a spicy $5.
	Yvonne, look at you.
	You know what I mean?
	I asked for a feet clap.
	We haven't heard no clapping.
	On camera.
	Toes out.
	Just to get a response from me, just to even get a response.
	20 bucks.
	How much for a feet clap?
	Oh, that's a bit of a damn thing.
	I'm expensive.
	I'm expensive.
	All right.
	Okay, let's get into the questionnaire here.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband, starting with you?
	I honestly don't really know how to answer this, but I.
	So you wouldn't date like a guy who works at McDonald's, right?
	If he has enough money to pay the bills, as long as we can pay for the bills, as long as we aren't like struggling any butter.
	Huh?
	Where do you live?
	I live in Las Vegas.
	Can people pay the bills in Las Vegas working at Mickey D's?
	I mean, I wouldn't say that's easiest, but I would want him to make at least over 50 grand.
	Okay, sure.
	Y'all's minimum wage is 20 bucks out here.
	And that's pretty low to some standards, I feel.
	Y'all can survive off McDonald's.
	Go ahead.
	It could be zero.
	I don't care.
	Oh, my.
	You want a stay-at-home husband?
	I do.
	You can be with my opinion.
	Bam.
	Matchmaker.
	He'll be my assistant.
	He's black, too.
	He might.
	Just the same amount as me or more.
	Like minimum, same amount as me, preferably not less because I've done that quite a lot.
	And it's not great.
	It was like in the UK, 120K, yeah.
	And then in America, like 160K, because healthcare is not free here.
	Right.
	No, no, it's not.
	Taylor, what about you?
	I think I said like 120.
	Okay.
	Next?
	Yeah, I'd feel comfortable, 85 to 100K.
	All right, next.
	Probably somewhere around that.
	I think it depends on where we live.
	I just want a comfortable, decent life so they don't have to make an extravagant amount.
	But I'd like to be comfortable.
	Chloe, what about you?
	I don't have a specific number.
	For me, it's about goals.
	So my partner is building a successful business.
	It's gotten there and I'm proud of him.
	So I don't really care as long as you're working towards something and not just sitting on your ass in a way.
	Chloe, you've been successful for a long time.
	So have a lot of guys that you've dated, have you been the breadwinner in your relationships typically?
	I've only been in, oh my gosh, I think two relationships since blowing up and one of them I dated beforehand.
	So what?
	What was the question?
	Say that again.
	Have you been the best person?
	So have you been the breadwinner in your relationship?
	Historically, yeah, but not since actually making money.
	No.
	Gotcha.
	No.
	Next question.
	How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I'm 5'7", I would probably, six foot, I think.
	Six foot?
	Okay.
	That's the minimum?
	I've dated short guys.
	Most of the people I've dated, they've been probably my height.
	what about you i'm five three but i anything over or at five nine because i'm like mentally five eight okay um Munster, thank you for the $50 super chat.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'2 ⁇ , and anybody taller than me?
	Okay.
	Last boyfriend, how tall was he?
	6'3.
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, see, this is always a, I always should ask.
	Okay, well, you'll date a guy who's your height, but how tall was your last boyfriend?
	One of the guys that I was with for a long time was he was like 5'4, like barely taller than me.
	Okay.
	Jade?
	I'm 5'9, and I would like someone who's 6' over because in heels I'm like 6'1, 6'2.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I think I'm 5'3 and I would like someone at least 6'0 ⁇ .
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'10 and a half.
	So anything taller, I love short kings, but no.
	And then my ex was like 6'1.
	Short Kings are cool.
	I mean, you know.
	Kate?
	I am 5'7 and pretty much 5'6 and above.
	Be fine.
	Sure.
	Chloe?
	I'm 5'9.5.
	The half counts.
	And my fiancé is like, what, 5'6, 5'7?
	So I dated someone that was 5'2.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Okay.
	I just can't wear heels.
	I forfeited them.
	Oh, by the way, Nick, is the focus okay on this camera?
	Is it okay?
	Yeah, I mean it can be slightly better.
	The focus on me.
	Okay.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Man.
	Okay.
	Lindsay Lee.
	I said man last time.
	I'm going to say bear this time.
	I thought, didn't you say bear last time?
	Okay, but you're saying bear this time?
	Okay, what about you?
	Bear.
	All right.
	Jade?
	None.
	Bear.
	Bear.
	Okay.
	Man.
	All right.
	Man.
	I love how everyone who accused me of not liking them because they're sex workers are the ones that like chose bear.
	That's why I don't like y'all because I can see right through y'all.
	That's why.
	Obviously a man.
	I go hiking all the time and running and I pass by many men and none of them have diddled me.
	So is it Smokey the Bear?
	Because he seems pretty nice.
	Smokey?
	Sure.
	S random bear.
	Sure.
	So Chloe, what's your take on the man versus bear thing?
	Do you have a response to the women who picked the bear?
	I think the same women that pick the bear, not just you guys, but everybody who picks the bear is going to be the same one that's going to be like, don't generalize me.
	Don't say all women are this and that.
	But yet they're like the first ones to just be like, all men are bad.
	All men are shit.
	All men are, you're just fucking hypocrites.
	And you're idiots because bears, first of all, don't just kill you.
	They kill you.
	They keep you alive.
	They rip you open.
	They shit in your wounds to mark their territory.
	And y'all think you're safer with a fucking bear?
	You're delusional.
	No.
	Most women would just rather have that horrific scenario that you just verbally described happen to them than being so terrible.
	Not every man knows.
	Not every man.
	Pardon.
	There was a woman who was camping and she was on her period and woke up to the bear literally like eating her from that area.
	So I don't think you want a bear.
	No, you would want, but there's been less than 10 of them.
	There's been less than 10 deaths a year from a bear, and that is not true.
	That's just a matter of time.
	How many Google?
	You pass by millions of men every single day and none of them look twice at you, I promise.
	So it's we're just.
	It's no longer.
	It's about women selecting.
	I have a better chance.
	Why are you talking so loud?
	Oh, am I loud?
	I apologize.
	I am hard of hearing.
	It's just her volume.
	I think it's just her volume in general.
	My fiancé hates it.
	Really quick to your point, though, Lindsay.
	While if we're looking in totality, yes, there are fewer bear attacks than there are, like, for example, men who murder women.
	However, this is, we have to look at per capita or per encounter.
	So the vast majority of women never encounter a bear in their entire lives, whereas almost all women will pass by thousands, if not tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of men in their entire lives.
	Not to mention the actual statistic in America.
	I'm quite familiar with American statistics, even though I'm Canadian, just because my audience is American.
	0.0002% of the male population will ever and have ever committed a violent crime.
	Whereas 100% of the bears you pass will definitely eat you.
	So, I mean, I've never had any aggression shown towards me by any bear that I've passed in the woods.
	Have you passed any bears in the wood?
	Yeah.
	So, from a Pacific fucking North Hornet.
	Okay, let's see.
	Remember, there was a girl on here who was like Russian or something, and she was like, Oh, I used to cuddle bears in the woods, and I used to like play with the bears in the woods.
	I'd choose the bear.
	She was on this podcast.
	Okay, sleepy.
	Like, what?
	Really?
	Yeah, so you maybe have to play with bears.
	Let's be realistic.
	No, the likelihood is that you're not going to have any interaction with the bear.
	You don't have a small fear in the back of your mind.
	Maybe nobody that knows anything about wildlife or has ever been anywhere near a bear.
	Can I just finish?
	The likelihood of the man SK is really low as well, though.
	Yeah, it's very low, but with a bear at zero, you could die.
	SA, yeah, but they might just kill you instead.
	Would you rather be S8 or dead?
	Bold of you to assume I'm an enthused to live, sweetheart.
	Yeah, it would be dead.
	I would choose death over being great.
	I would choose still being alive, honestly, than being dead.
	And that is your prerogative, babe.
	That's good.
	So we'll say you're from the Pacific, you said.
	So you've probably, let's be honest, you've probably passed like four bears and none of them have mauled you.
	That's amazing.
	Seven to ten.
	Sure, you've passed millions of men your entire life.
	And 99, I'm not going to assume you may have trauma.
	You may have bad experiences.
	99% of the ones you've passed have done.
	The question is always: what would you rather pass alone in the woods?
	A bear or a random man.
	A man that can help me make a fire.
	Catch you.
	If you did in this case, I can do all that, so maybe that's why I'm not worried about that.
	Like, who would you rather?
	Yes, I can.
	If you're alone on an island, it would be much easier if a man was with you than if you were on an island alone with a bear.
	My issue with this argument.
	We're not talking about walking past.
	No, we're talking about alone in a forest.
	AKA, you know, if you're stuck there by yourself with a man or I don't think the question necessarily implies that you're stuck in the forest or something.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's in passing.
	It's which would you rather pick to go in passing?
	Wait, but question.
	For somebody that's terrified of men, you sure take money from them all the time.
	I never said I was terrified of men.
	Didn't you escort?
	Did you say that you escort?
	So you put yourself in situations where you're actually more likely to come in contact with a man who is sexually violent, who is aggressive, who is going to sexually assault you.
	I don't.
	I'm just going to view you as an option.
	So you can keep talking, but I don't escort you.
	But you just nodded.
	I asked you if you escorted.
	No, I didn't.
	I said, I'll let you finish.
	Wait, didn't you say, well, you said you do.
	I said I was a sugar baby for two years.
	Okay.
	So escorted.
	You are a hoe of any sort.
	So you thereby have put yourself in a position where you are far more likely to come across a man who is like sexually violent and weird.
	I'm not understanding.
	It's not even like we're using.
	If you were to ask me, would I rather be alone in a forest with a bear or diddy?
	I'm picking the bear.
	But we're talking about every single like average man here.
	And I'm just, you're so deathly afraid of men.
	I never said I was deathly afraid of men.
	Oh, my God.
	I said I'd rather be killed than raped, hon. That's a different statement.
	Yes.
	I want to pass Matt because he keeps a Glock on him.
	Matt, come try to find you in the woods.
	Can you acknowledge, though, that in both instances, you could have a completely uneventful happening?
	No, she doesn't want to.
	So you could cross a man.
	No, you absolutely could have nothing happen.
	Right, you could cross a bear.
	Nothing happens, but you could also cross a man.
	Nothing happens.
	You have a higher chance of having nothing happen passing the man than the bear.
	I agree with that.
	But we're being delusional.
	Oh, not in my question.
	Would you rather walk up to a random bear and pat it on the head or walk up to a random man and pat him on the head?
	She's going to say the bear because she's an American.
	No, I'm not a bear cuddler.
	I'm not the crazy dude that lived with bears in the woods and like a bad boy.
	But which of the two would you rather do?
	Obviously, the guy.
	Okay, so you'd want to.
	To choose up to walk and make a connection and interact with it.
	Yes.
	Why would I walk past a bear and try to be a little bit more damaged?
	You just have to tap, tap, tap.
	It's a wild bear.
	Why would you walk up and tap, top, tap it?
	Walking past something is different than going up and forcing an interaction with it.
	Brian, you've got to get smarter people on these podcasts.
	I'm not stupid because I have a different opinion than you.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Next question, Brian.
	Well, a couple clarifying things here, really quick on the bear thing.
	So I understand when women respond, answer this, they're typically thinking, okay, it's about essay.
	That's what it boils down to.
	Can you tell me then, what do you think?
	Like, we're talking about a random man here.
	So what percentage of the adult male population do you think in this circumstance where let's say the situation is this, you're hitting a button, and this button, you're in the forest, you instantly spawn into the forest and you can instantly spawn in a random man or you instantly spawn in a random bear.
	What percentage of adult men do you think would essay you in the circumstance?
	I mean, obviously, they're not all just going to be like rapists.
	Just okay, just say track rapists.
	It's okay.
	I think we might actually chat.
	We might actually just, for a month, just try to like say whatever to all the fucking lame-ass YouTube doesn't matter.
	It might not matter.
	So we might just be like, you know what?
	Let's just, whatever.
	You know, I'm wild.
	So maybe next episode, next episode, I might just be like, it's a free-for-all.
	Fuck it, whatever.
	So yes, sure.
	What's the percentage, though?
	I don't know.
	10?
	Well, yeah, 10.
	It doesn't have to be precise.
	10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%.
	I mean, probably.
	Closer to the mic.
	Less than 20%, maybe?
	Less than 20%.
	30%?
	30%.
	Okay.
	Now, what percentage of the bears that you pass do you think is going to attack you?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Zero?
	So, I'm not.
	What do you think?
	What percentage of men?
	Google it.
	It's literally up there.
	You tell me.
	It's 0.0002%.
	You have men are going to commit a violent crime in their life.
	I have to say.
	Thank you, my Caucasian.
	As he raises a glass to his Caucasian.
	Basically, when I think about the question, I think about the way people answer it.
	Anyways, the way that I answer it is a lot of the times, I mean, I don't know.
	I guess everyone's like scared shitless of bears.
	Most of the time, you don't even know they're there.
	But when I think about it, it's kind of like the thought of the possibility.
	And like you said, yes, I guess it's fear-mongering.
	It could be whatever.
	The possibility of being raped versus the possibility of nothing versus the possibility of like nothing versus rape or like nothing versus death.
	Use essay, please.
	Oh, yeah.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	But nobody said, would you rather be killed by a bear raped by a man?
	So this is disingenuous.
	Oh, sorry.
	Essayed.
	So it's just a disingenuous argument to avoid saying my argument is based off of a logical fallacy.
	We could just say what it is.
	That's fine.
	Oops.
	Oh, girl.
	Yeah, I was like, you lost me, honestly.
	I was like, I was still going to continue.
	And then she started talking.
	I feel like you have a lot of opinions for somebody who has experience with only 11 men versus the women who have experience with a lot of men.
	That doesn't seem Right, yes.
	Okay, so just so you're saying I don't have experiences with men.
	No, she's saying, I think you that's not a good idea.
	No, right, no, that's what you're saying.
	No, no, no, wait, Brian.
	I grew up on the streets.
	Okay, the mean streets of Canada.
	Yeah, the mean streets of Canada.
	Why do you even come here giving your opinion when you're not even a U.S. citizen?
	What the heck?
	Because what?
	What kind of like nationalism is that?
	Because we're not going to Canada and telling your opinion.
	Mental gymnastics.
	You're digging yourself into a deeper hole right now.
	You said, I know, and she keeps just feeding into it.
	No, ma'am.
	You said, I've taken more dicks than you, so I have more experience with men.
	I'm telling you, I not only grew up in social services, but I grew up on the streets.
	And where I'm from, if you're a woman on the streets, you either man the fuck up or you get pimped out.
	I chose not to get pimped out.
	So I have plenty of experience with men.
	I have been sexually assaulted.
	I've actually been sexually assaulted twice by women.
	And I was molested by my older brother as a child.
	So don't think for a second that I'm coming here with some naivety to men because I have plenty of experiences with negative men.
	Does that mean that I'm going to look at those men and say, Brian's going to do the same thing?
	This gentleman over here is going to do the same thing.
	90% of the population is going to do that.
	No, because I'd be doing myself a disservice.
	And as women, we should not be living in this constant fear where we think that men are just going to come like rape us and we should be living in the forest with bears.
	It's a disservice.
	Nobody said we wanted to live in the forest with paraphrasing.
	I have plenty of experience.
	And whether I'm American or not, it doesn't matter.
	I'm right above you guys.
	This isn't Romania versus the USA.
	Give me a fucking break.
	I think it should be a fight.
	Like, give me a break.
	I don't think it should be a fight of who's an essayed war.
	To have a voice.
	Yeah, literally.
	Bears in Canada square up the second they see rocky mountains.
	Like, we got some guesses.
	I think that is a little bit of mental gymnastics to say you rather take an encounter with a bear over a man.
	Just a little bit.
	Like, it's a bit of a stretch.
	It's not to say all men are going to do that.
	It's that we don't know who we're going to have that encounter with.
	So we don't want to take that risk.
	But no, it's not.
	When you're doing that, you're implying that it's a high percentage of men that might do that to you.
	You're implying that there's a good percentage of men.
	It is.
	Whereas it's actually a very small percentage.
	It's the number one reason for unaliving pregnant women is their partner.
	I mean, they were a statistic, but I'm saying, like.
	What is the percentage?
	Give us the percentage.
	I don't want my phone.
	Look, I'm not asking for like if you're wrong, it's okay.
	What do you just generally think?
	Of what percentage?
	The likelihood of just that you plop the average random man, sorry, not average.
	You plop a random man, adult man, in the forest.
	What is the percentage of these men that you think are going to take this opportunity to essay a woman?
	I'd have to deduct it from the statistics of women who are being essayed or harassed or whatever, which it's one in two women for harassment, and it's one in three for assault.
	What?
	You know what's weird, though?
	You know what's strange?
	Most assaults is that they collapse all these lesser forms of harassment under this sort of umbrella term of SA.
	For example, I think it'd be unfair to collapse like full-on, violent stranger grape and like put that under an umbrella term of SA, and that includes like cat calling or street harassment.
	No, these are bad things.
	These are bad things, cat calling bad, et cetera.
	But it's like kind of disingenuous when it's like one in two women have been graped, or one time a guy made eye contact with me.
	Give you a better example.
	But, like, if it was like, oh, if you rather be in the woods with a bear or Brian, I'm going to choose Brian.
	Okay, so you're saying, no, choose the bear.
	Brian's very scary.
	You're saying women would pick the bear because men most often commit violent crimes, which is true.
	Okay, so if Brian were to sit here and say women are the number one killers of their children in America every year, they are the most to abuse their children and the most to kill them.
	And then Brian were to say, who would you rather leave your child with?
	A woman or a cougar?
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Are you going to sit there and be like, oh, it's the cougar?
	No.
	You're going to say, give it to the woman.
	97% of all perpetrators of child sexual abuse is men.
	That is unequivocally false.
	And I just not.
	Go look it up.
	Literally on the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, but you're from Canada, so you wouldn't know towards children.
	97%.
	Can you look that up?
	Can you fact-check that?
	I think she said specific to sexual abuse.
	Yeah.
	Abuse in general, though, is your mental gymnastics.
	I'm saying abuse and murder.
	Can we stick on that?
	Yeah, and my little sister works for social media.
	No, mental gymnastics.
	Great.
	I literally has every single case has been.
	A cougar or a woman.
	I don't even have a kid.
	I don't think I should speak on it since I don't have a child.
	There you go.
	See what I mean?
	It's a mental gymnast.
	But you said that you're a mother so that you can speak on things with mothers.
	And I'm also extremely abused by my mother horrifically.
	Like, I was locked in a room for a long time.
	Oh, yeah.
	You think I have like some issues with women?
	Because no, it's called having a brain.
	It's called being educated.
	Fly to America and tell us how we should be.
	Why does it say that?
	How do you know you were in America?
	It doesn't matter.
	How would I know?
	Why would this be her being from Canada?
	Because it's mental gymnastics.
	She doesn't have to be.
	It's about dating lifestyle in America, not Canada.
	It's dating.
	It's not even modern population.
	It's modern dating.
	It's not American dating.
	It's modern dating.
	We're not talking about dating.
	We were talking about whether or not a value here.
	This podcast is about mother lifestyle.
	Literally, earlier you said you're not even a U.S. citizen.
	Why do you get an opinion in America about our dating lifestyle?
	It's not about American dating.
	It's dating.
	Am I not to have an opinion even though I'm British?
	Absolutely, my God.
	That's what you're saying.
	I don't understand this complaint about her being Canadian.
	Yeah, but notice how she completely avoided answering my question on whether or not she would leave her child alone with a cougar or a woman.
	I don't have a child, so you don't think that my opinion is going to be valid either way.
	It's a hypothetical.
	Okay, so none of all incredibles have worked for her, so it's a double standard.
	Yeah, we can just all agree.
	Children left in babysitting company of cougars.
	Chloe is right about this statistic.
	So women are much more likely to commit infanticide.
	So women are more likely to kill their born children.
	At an alarmingly high rate.
	And if you want to talk about abortion.
	I'm talking about abortion.
	Yeah, I was about to say that.
	No, he's not talking about.
	He's talking about born children.
	Women are much more likely to kill them.
	When I'm talking about infanticide, I'm not bolstering the statistics by including abortions.
	I'm speaking specifically about born, already born, like out-of-the-womb children.
	So you can't answer whether or not a child would be safer with a woman or a cougar because you don't have the specific child to look at.
	Like, is there a grading system they're asking?
	Something that I don't have the information about right now.
	Do you know how you'd have information about a baby should not be left with a cougar?
	Why are you being weird?
	Wait, we're not asking you to do that.
	Because she doesn't want me to be right, and I'm used to it.
	It's okay.
	But we're not asking you to give us.
	I just don't want to agree with her.
	We're not asking you to give us a super specific breakdown with statistics.
	We're not asking you for a dissertation.
	Just your gut.
	Just your gut instinct on this.
	Oh, so we could just talk about anything and no expensively, whether it's right or not.
	You have to leave your baby with a woman or a cougar.
	I don't have a child.
	It doesn't answer that.
	What if it was like, but you didn't answer your body count?
	What if it was like answering?
	Deflection.
	I know.
	I didn't give you an immediate medicine.
	If I gave guts, it's so different.
	How does it fucking feel?
	No, you're just being mean.
	You're not making sense.
	Yeah, I've heard enough from our friend, Big Booty.
	She said she didn't grow up.
	I was just a button.
	When did Taylor say that's about her?
	Let me press a button.
	Just because she feels on your little thingy, Bobber.
	Wait.
	Oh, on this thing.
	No, about the bear.
	So, okay.
	You picked the bear.
	What percentage of men do you think would SA you in this situation?
	You picked the bear?
	I thought it was awkward.
	No.
	I don't know.
	I'm thinking over here, like, I'm Snow White.
	Like, me and this bear getting.
	She's like, oh.
	You're not going to smuggle with the bear at night.
	Oh, no.
	It's going to eat you like that scene with Robert.
	What's his name?
	Leonardo.
	He's saying closer to the mind.
	No, okay.
	Anyway, she's taking deflection tips from her friend.
	Christopher, I think that many women choose the bear because it's an emotional response, not a logical one.
	Thank you.
	I think that many women way more often react more emotionally to things rather than react logically.
	From Christopher, thank you, man.
	He follows this up by saying, by the way, great beard, Christopher.
	I think that many women feel like they might be in more danger with a man, even though they actually might not be.
	Even in the worst case scenario, it would be far easier to escape from a bad man than a hungry bear.
	Choosing the man seems like common sense from Christopher.
	When has a bear ever protected a woman?
	Whereas, like, I can think to a few cases where a man has protected me.
	In reference to that comment, and the whole lady crashing out, I feel like that is what might have happened: she reacted emotionally and then immediately put herself into a panic state in which she couldn't get out of.
	I think that's something that women do often.
	Nick, pull up the Discord, please.
	All right, guys, we have some things we have to react to.
	Did you get mine in there?
	Did you get mine?
	Which one?
	Did you send something?
	No, let me just show you.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So, wait, where what?
	Also, the topic is skewed from Vermilion.
	He says, Women pass hundreds of men hiking, but people rarely encounter bears.
	If they passed hundreds of bears, the reality would be far different.
	Hundreds of men pose more of a risk to women, but hundreds of bears would result in a lot more incidents.
	You said, I don't want to be stuck in the forest with all that estrogen.
	I know, Letty.
	I tried to tell him.
	So, scroll up, Nick.
	We're going to react to a couple memes here.
	Okay, click on the blue one there.
	Blue one.
	We don't trust men, so we choose bears.
	So, you understand why I don't want a man in the bathroom with my daughter?
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Next one.
	We're going to play this video here, go full screen with it.
	I don't think it doesn't need to be videotab.
	All right, so this is how tall bears be.
	Should they show broken?
	Brown bear?
	Grizzly bear?
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, I think it's a grizzly.
	Skip it forward so we can see this.
	Oh, is it gonna?
	That might be a brown bear.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, here we go.
	Willie Brown.
	That's like twice her height.
	That guy's from Canada.
	If you got marshmallows, you'll be fine.
	That's her house.
	Exile that.
	Exile that.
	Then the next one here, we have Kyle, not Kyle.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	There it is.
	They pick the bear over Kyle.
	Okay.
	Exile that.
	Whoa.
	And then this one's crazy.
	Full screen it.
	Full screen quick.
	We're not going to see this one get mauled, are we?
	Oh, Brian.
	Brian, I don't want to see that.
	She's not dead.
	It had a muzzle on.
	She's like fine.
	Exile that.
	Exile that.
	I'm just fucking around.
	Next, there's one more, I think, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, pull that one up.
	Just saying.
	Damn, that's huge, son.
	Big ass boat.
	Anyways, you don't want to watch what actually happens, but then you'll sit here and infant, like, what's the word?
	Infantilize, like a bear.
	Yeah.
	Make it seem like cute and stuff, but you can't even look at like what actually happens if you literally in a room with a bear.
	I do not know.
	Even if you've trained that bear your entire life, I think that bear will it has happened so many times.
	I mean, think about like the tiger king.
	Right.
	And the lady that he might have with a lion.
	But you know what I mean?
	Like, talking about the tiger?
	Did I miss something?
	Oh, I don't think it was.
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	Only one of you has any rational thought.
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	There's a few intelligent ladies at this table.
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	We're entitled to playing.
	Final question on this bear thing, though.
	Oh, God, Brian.
	Final question on the bear.
	If we change this question to be, instead of a man, we just say black person.
	Black person or bear.
	I say this all the time.
	If you pick the bear over a black person, do you become a racist?
	I was just thinking if a bunch of men were sitting here debating whether or not they felt safe around women and were generalizing all women, we'd have a shit fit and we'd be like, these men are so underdeveloped, but because we can just sit there and like, it's crazy.
	If you change most of the shit that we say about men, if you change the word men to any different race, ethnicity, it's no longer acceptable.
	But because it's men, we're just empowered.
	Empowered queens.
	It is true.
	Well, sexism towards men is tolerated.
	That's encouraged.
	They did this question in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where they wanted to eat somebody, but they couldn't pick.
	They were like, Are we racist if we don't eat the black guy?
	Do you think that they would be racist if somebody said, I'll pick the bear over a black person?
	Yeah, because black people commit more crimes in America.
	You don't like that one.
	Putting in a protection.
	Yeah, you're not the invisible thing.
	Not the invisible line.
	They're not dentures.
	That's okay.
	You guys just going to sit there silently?
	No, no, no.
	Because I would choose a black guy.
	Oh, my bad.
	I'm not rude on white.
	I would choose a black guy.
	Okay, but the question is: if somebody picked the bear over the black person, would you deem this to be like a racist position to hold?
	I don't know, but I don't think that's even fair for me to answer.
	Why would she do that?
	Why would you say that?
	Because you might do things that she would consider racist, but then like you don't consider racist just because you're a white guy.
	So you're not aware of that.
	Your name would be right.
	She doesn't answer the question, but I'm asking mental judgments.
	They're not even.
	They're very mad.
	Oh my God.
	They don't even apply.
	They do.
	What is your opinion?
	I'm talking to you.
	I'm talking to Brian.
	I'm simply asking you.
	I don't understand why you can't answer the question.
	Because I wouldn't view it that way.
	But like.
	You wouldn't.
	But depending on who you ask, they're going to have a different opinion.
	You would not think it's racist.
	No, I think that's a preference.
	What?
	Because we just said we'd rather a bear than a man.
	Bear to the black person.
	Well, because you're still saying logically consistent.
	Oh, you're not saying a black man.
	But so what I would tell you is that you're not.
	But you couldn't watch that.
	That's consistent with my question.
	You want it to be like, well, my sister works for social services.
	So why?
	I'm just so confused.
	What does that have to do with this conversation?
	It has everything to do with it.
	Girl, I can't.
	Girl, girl.
	Girl.
	All I heard was.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	So the question is, if the question changes, black person versus bear, do you think it would be racist for somebody to pick the bear over a black person?
	I mean, technically, you said person, which means it doesn't have to be a man.
	Yeah.
	Which.
	No, but they're not picking the black person, even though there's a chance it could be a woman.
	You said person, I picked the black person.
	I'm not asking you what you would pick.
	I'm saying if somebody picked the bear over the black person, would it then be racist?
	Then technically you could classify it as racist.
	No, is it technically racist or is it racist?
	It could technically be.
	Wait, why are you doing that voice?
	What about you?
	You pick a bear.
	Do you think it would be racist for somebody to pick a bear over a black person?
	Get to the mic, please.
	I'm just not going to comment on that one.
	Why not?
	Okay, I'm okay.
	Just answer the questions, guys.
	Come on.
	That makes you sound racist.
	This is getting so tiring to speak.
	It does.
	Actually, you not answering it does point more towards you being a racist.
	If you can't say racism bad, you might be a racist.
	But I'm just like, I just don't.
	Can you speak into the mic, please?
	Even if you're pissed off by the question, speak into the microphone.
	Okay, I just don't want to answer the question.
	I feel like it's kind of maybe a little racist, but I don't even understand.
	Like, is racism bad?
	Can you answer that question?
	But there's racism, not just in the black community.
	I feel like there's a lot of racism in every community, but Bad or racism good?
	Bad.
	Okay.
	Are we really like shying away from saying racism is bad?
	Just so I like that.
	Why?
	Are men that bad that we don't want to?
	The reason all of them didn't want to answer the question is because the entailment then of the position is if it would be racist to pick the bear over the black person, then their position is sexist.
	And I assume they're against isms.
	They're against sexism.
	So you guys are sexists.
	It's okay.
	You guys are sexists against men.
	Yeah, you're bigots.
	I mean, you're bigots.
	No, no, no.
	I think, you know, never mind.
	I don't know.
	This conversation, this question about the man-bear thing is just like circling the drain.
	I was going to say one more thing, but go ahead, say one more thing.
	I just think that immediately, like, your mind jumps to when I think of it, anyways, when the whole man versus bear subject came up and became a really big thing is like, I know everybody's going to hate me for this, but like just walking past something automatically, selfishly, you're going to think of your own experience and what reaction you're going to have to walking past a man versus a bear.
	When you walk past a man day to day, we're not talking about day to day.
	We're not talking in the middle of the city.
	We're not talking about all these places.
	We're talking about alone in the woods.
	Right now, I got beat up, and this is a true story.
	I got my shit rocked by a black chick when I was in high school.
	I deserved it.
	I was being a bitch.
	I deserved it.
	Okay.
	But now.
	No, girl.
	No.
	No.
	I was just being a bitch.
	So now, if our experiences are a good excuse, is it okay for me to be like, well, I prefer not to be around black people.
	I don't prefer not to be around men.
	No, that's dude.
	You just picked the bear, meaning you're preferring not to be around men.
	I didn't say I prefer not to be around men.
	Oh my God, I need a minute.
	This is cool.
	Take one, please.
	My brain is hurting.
	I guess the idea here is because a lot of you will cite to, well, you know, there's certain statistics and you'll cite to, well, your own experiences, which are valid.
	Like you, I'm not doubting that you've had negative experiences with men.
	But then when it becomes this sort of creating a social stigma and saying men are this, and then it opens the door for you to remain logically consistent.
	If you're able to say, because of my past experiences, I have justification for my generalized negative attitudes towards men.
	In order to remain consistent, if somebody has had a negative experience with a black person, that would then be justification and pretext for racism towards black people.
	But me saying that I would rather walk past a bear in the woods doesn't change the way I am acting towards or interacting with men in my day-to-day life.
	I don't flinch every time I walk past a man.
	I would smile and wave if I walked past a random guy in the woods.
	Right, but having a oh, go ahead, kid.
	Well, then why would you be worried and not pick the random man if they're if it's mostly in the back of my mind?
	I'm automatically going to be thinking, okay, did he keep going down the trail?
	Is he far enough away?
	Is he going to turn around?
	Is he going to start following me?
	Is that a trauma response?
	Sure.
	Earlier?
	See, I don't think they're about wildlife.
	Sorry, but earlier, weren't both of you guys saying, not all women don't generalize all women.
	And what you're doing right now is that you're not going to be able to all men have the ability to cause harm to all women.
	I mean, all men.
	Anyone can cause it.
	Why isn't it to anyone?
	But it's all men.
	A bad is going to rip you apart.
	I think, yeah, to appeal to an earlier chatter.
	I think what another chat said, especially given your context and your background, obviously we don't know everybody's trauma here.
	So that's something that you emotionally kind of viscerally align with immediately when you come into such a drastic but blatantly logical question like this.
	Obviously, you really should not be around bears.
	I think that's like the logical conclusion immediately.
	So I'm like, I just answered the question.
	But I just want to be clear.
	So for you three, you three, would you be okay with somebody who's had a bad experience with a black person having prejudgments?
	Nothing.
	What?
	Nothing.
	Was it you?
	No.
	No.
	Nothing happened.
	We're good?
	Yes.
	Good?
	Okay.
	Can somebody jumpstart where I was?
	Black people racism.
	Oh, okay.
	I got it.
	So somebody has a bad experience with a black person.
	They then use that as justification for generalized racism towards black people.
	You guys, it's, I believe it's an entailment of your logical position that you would be okay with that racism so long as this individual had a prior bad experience with a black person.
	I mean, I wouldn't be why.
	Can you guys not give me the fucking Gen Z stare and fucking answer the fucking question?
	Holy shit.
	It's not that.
	It's a matter of you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, because at the same time, what you're describing, like, that's a trauma response.
	Like, that's not even okay.
	But so is it racist?
	Is it bad?
	Okay.
	But for instance, just because I've had trauma involving men doesn't mean that I'm now like lesbian and only want to be with women.
	I'm still seeing men.
	I still love men.
	I still love pleasing men.
	Like I'm still going to feel that way towards it.
	However, am I going to have that trauma response because I have had bad experiences?
	Yes, but I don't have to treat all men like that because I know it's not all men.
	But I am saying men have that ability and men are biologically stronger than us, especially in their upper body.
	That's just a fact.
	So no, we don't.
	Your question doesn't apply to me.
	Trauma.
	I was responding to him, not you.
	I see people use trauma a lot, and trauma, although it's not our fault, it becomes our responsibility to heal from your trauma.
	It's not our fault and it sucks, but it becomes our responsibility.
	And if we don't take responsibility for our trauma, again, not our fault, but it's our lives.
	If we don't, we're going to go around this world hurting people, dehumanizing them, devaluing them, stigmatizing them, and fear-mongering them.
	Whether you're black, whether you're brown, whether you're a gypsy, whether you're white, whether a man, a woman, whatever.
	So you can't use like, oh, well, it's kind of okay because of trauma.
	No.
	It's the same thing as I have bipolar one.
	If I decide to just stop taking my medication, I will become a terrible person who just doesn't even think properly about how I'm treating other people.
	It is my duty to take my medication to make sure that I don't affect other people in that bad way.
	Right.
	Same with BPD.
	BPD.
	Same with BPD.
	It comes from trauma.
	And a lot of people think it's manic pixie dream girl shit.
	And it's very annoying.
	Some aesthetic, yeah.
	A lot of the girls in the industry have.
	I think I wrote that in one of the notes.
	I said, talk about it on a later date, but BPD in the sex industry and why it's so prevalent.
	Sure.
	I guess finishing off on this, if we say that it's understandable or even acceptable for women to harbor resentment or express prejudice against men because of negative past experiences, by that same logic, we'd have to accept that someone who had a bad experience with a black person is justified in being racist.
	And most of us here would rightly reject that.
	But when it comes to these prejudices or bigotry towards men, there seems to be quite a bit of hand waving when it comes to that.
	Food for thought.
	Thanks.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have some chats coming through here.
	Oh, is it going to come to them?
	Thank you, Chaw.
	Sorry for the delay on this.
	Appreciate it, man.
	I typically roast the sex workers because, well, they deserve it.
	But tonight, I found the covered feminists on the left side of the table far more obnoxious.
	Andrew would have ripped them to shreds.
	Nobody gives a fuck about Andrew Tate, bro.
	I think he's talking about Andrew Wilson.
	I'm going to talk about Andrew Wilson.
	Okay.
	Well.
	He thinks we're familiar with that.
	I love that.
	Riddles donated $69.
	Thank you, One.
	The only one Crane is talking about is that sweet lady brain, and we all know it.
	It's you, Brian.
	He told your name.
	Yeah, he's called that one.
	Brian?
	Oh.
	Yeah, no, no.
	Thank you, Mick Riddles.
	Appreciate it, man.
	We have Joe Finley coming in here.
	I think he disagrees with me on this.
	Is it going to play?
	Oh, my God.
	Sorry, guys.
	One sec.
	There it is.
	Joe Finley donated $69.
	It's not racist, but it's still stupid.
	Delusion is round.
	Feminism has more pull than reality.
	Stop the walking by in a room for an hour.
	Any man or any bear.
	BC does matter only for bonding.
	Because does only matter.
	All right.
	Joe Finley.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It's not racist.
	Eh, it'd be racist to pick the bear.
	I think over.
	Anyways, okay.
	Moving off of the bear, though.
	Let's see.
	We have.
	Hmm.
	Anybody bite on any of the trans stuff or whatever?
	Women are just as physically strong as.
	Oh, you X that out, I guess.
	Okay.
	Then we have Taylor.
	You agree with the following statement.
	People of color can't be racist towards white people.
	Why is that?
	I don't think I meant to circle that one.
	I didn't mean to circle that one.
	I'm sorry.
	I think I meant to certainly.
	Or did you mean to circle it, but now you're like, am I about to get BTFO'd?
	Okay, so you think black people can be racist towards white people?
	Oh, I think everybody can be.
	Sorry, I think everybody can be racist, but I don't think it's okay.
	Okay.
	So black people can be racist towards white people?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Nothing to push back on then.
	18.
	The gender, there is a gender wage gap.
	That's Lindsay Lee.
	Anybody else agree with that?
	Well, I need to do that one.
	No?
	Okay.
	Gender wage gap is kind of boring, so we're just going to skip over that.
	But doesn't exist.
	Sorry.
	Oh, no, I meant women make more in the industry than men do.
	Oh, okay.
	You wanted to talk about that.
	Crystal, number 19, women are the primary victims of war, not men.
	You agree with that statement?
	Why is that?
	Crystal, women are the primary victims of war, not men.
	Yes, you agreed with that statement.
	I do agree with that.
	Yeah, because when you rape and pillage, usually women.
	Can you?
	Stop, Great, great.
	No, it's not even that.
	Speak into the microphones, please.
	We've repeated it like dozens of times throughout the show.
	Just get up on the microphone.
	Get this close to the mic.
	Go ahead.
	I do agree with that statement because men have the ability to take over large swaths of areas through force.
	And sometimes that means taking over certain women, obviously, when they grape and pillage, which is what they've done historically.
	So women do and are victimized during times of war.
	I think he was more meaning like the women at home versus the men at war.
	Am I correct in that?
	No, I'm prepared to make all women versus all men.
	In general.
	All the paradigms of how people suffer in war, it's all on the table.
	Yeah, I agree with that statement.
	Who are more victimized?
	I'm from the South and we had like the Confederacy and all that.
	Do you know how many men died in the Confederate war?
	I mean, yeah, that's the ultimate form of victimization.
	Well, how about this?
	Let's be more likely to be.
	Also, like if you're graped, then that's also World War I.
	I can't see your point.
	That happens.
	World War I. Who are the primary victims of war?
	Men or women?
	Men.
	I'm asking her.
	Hold on.
	Who died more often?
	Men.
	Who are the primary victims of war?
	Who died more often?
	Men.
	Who are the primary victims of war?
	Your position, look, your position is women are the primary victims of war.
	I'm not asking you who died more because you're right.
	It is men.
	But your analysis seems to point to, and there were probably women who were graped during World War I.
	So the question is, who's the primary victims of war for World War I?
	People who lost their lives.
	Okay.
	So is that men?
	More men lost their wives and lost their lives than women.
	Also, plenty of men were raped when they were, or sorry, grape.
	Pardon me, Brian.
	I'm getting used to it.
	That's right.
	Especially like prisoners of war.
	It was extremely common.
	The statistic was very alarming.
	They did a study on it after World War II.
	Women have been prisoners of war too, and in that instance, they're graped.
	They're taken advantage of.
	So they are in turn a victim.
	No?
	Can I get a straight answer, though?
	World War I, men or women?
	Who are the primary victims of World War I?
	People who lost their lives.
	Men or women, dude.
	Which is who?
	Which is who?
	Both sexes died during World War I.
	It's vastly more men than women.
	But I'm asking the answer can be one of two: men or women.
	If it's a binary and you're setting it up that way, then men or women, those are the two possible answers.
	Men or women?
	Who are the primary victims of women?
	Men died more in World War I. Man, can we just be authentic?
	That's literally the answer.
	Come on.
	That's the answer.
	So, men.
	Men is your answer.
	Even accounting for the fact that women were essayed during World War I.
	Okay, they're still in the victim category, are they not?
	Well, they're in the victim category, but I'm asking primary victims.
	Primary.
	Okay, primary.
	Primary victim.
	Men or women?
	Men.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There we go.
	What about World War II?
	It would be the same answer.
	Okay, Vietnam War.
	Okay.
	But so I'm a little confused here.
	So World War I, World War II, these were the biggest military conflicts ever.
	You said, well, women get raped during wartime.
	Yes, this is true.
	This definitely happens.
	But so how do you reconcile your original answer, which is women are the primary victims of war, not men?
	But now you're saying when I'm breaking it down to specific wars, the biggest wars that we've ever had, now you're changing it to men.
	Are you just changing your answer in general?
	Or?
	I think people who lost their lives across the spectrum of wartime are all victims.
	And in some instances, that may be more men than women.
	You've provided those examples.
	Well, in every single war ever in human history, men have always outnumbered when it comes to deaths.
	Okay.
	Also, the jobs were different.
	So men are the primary victims of war or still women.
	In that context, than men.
	But now that we've had a broader discussion, then, well, you're saying they've lost their lives over the swath of history.
	So it's obviously more men who have been a victim in a broader context.
	She just needed specifics, guys.
	Wait, one question on this.
	Kind of curious.
	Would you maybe I'll just open up to the whole panel.
	Would you kill 10 men to prevent one woman from being S ' No.
	No, no.
	No.
	That sounds terrible.
	Damn, Brian.
	Murder?
	So you would let a woman get it's just the trolley question.
	Like anybody?
	I wouldn't.
	I don't think murder is acceptable.
	Like, well, they're both terrible, awful things.
	SA isn't death, though.
	Like, that's totally above the spectrum.
	But you can heal from SA, but you can't heal from death.
	So, like, I'd kill Hitler to prevent World War II.
	That's a good idea.
	Would you kill baby Hitler?
	Yes, I would.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, hey, as long as we know each other.
	Lindsay Lee, number 17, you say men are more privileged in society than women.
	McKenna, you agree.
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	Taylor, you also agree.
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	Why is that?
	Did I agree on that one?
	You did?
	I'm only remembering that one.
	I was like, I don't think, I think I meant to cross that one out too.
	Jesus, guys.
	So, to the people that I name, you know how I said your guys's names?
	So I'm hoping that was my point.
	So I guess well, because I'm trying to think, because I guess I don't really agree with that, so I don't know why I circled it.
	So you think men and women are equal in privilege?
	You think women are more privileged?
	I think it depends on what part of life we're talking about.
	There are some areas where men may have more privilege.
	There are some areas where women may have more privilege.
	I mean, everybody's going to get mad at me about this again, but like simple things, like not having to be worried or as worried, like when you're walking alone at night, things like that.
	Men take up the majority to be victims of violent crimes, especially random ones.
	Women take up the majority to be attacked by people they know.
	Men take up overwhelmingly the amount to be attacked by strangers.
	Most likely they're the ones who are not going to report or talk to it about it to anybody because they'll see like there's a stigma against it, even if you were essayed or something happened.
	They'll call you gay.
	They'll call you all the different names in the book because you're a man and you should have been stronger enough to fight it off.
	Yeah, I think men are actually three to four.
	You can fact check me on this.
	Please do, actually.
	But I think men are two to three or three to four times more likely to be attacked out late at night than women are.
	Men are also pretty fucked up.
	Statistically higher for random violence on the street.
	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
	As well, yeah.
	Not just like acts of stuff, but like robberies, just randomly coming up to somebody at a bar or something and unaliving them.
	Obviously, it happens to women as well, but like if you think about it, it's just disproportionately cocktail.
	Yeah.
	All I was going to say was that was like the only trickle of anything I could think of in my mind, which is why I didn't mean to agree with it.
	I think it can be equal.
	We have losses.
	You know, men have good things.
	We have bad things.
	There are good things about being a man, good things about being a woman, terrible things about being a man, terrible things about being a woman when it comes to society and privilege.
	Taylor, do you want to weigh in on this?
	Why are men or how are men more privileged in society than women?
	No, I think Kenna kind of covered it.
	Are you just not gonna participate?
	She's checked out.
	No, I'm just I kind of agree with her.
	So and uh all right in general women do have more privilege in society, especially now.
	I mean prostitution is the oldest um job in the book, so now you can even monetize that even more.
	Now you can do it and demand to be respected.
	That's that's a little bit of a privilege.
	But it's like, well, you can make it have to be a prisoner or something.
	You can make that choice.
	You can make that choice now, even in 2025.
	Like that's a privilege that you can even go and you know do that.
	i was a teenager we used to look out for each other because one of our biggest fears and one of the worst things that could happen was like being sexually exploited or ending up being an escort a prostitute being pimped out being just exploited and now it's like now women aspire to be that But when I was younger, we thought we were so cool to go like 14, 15 to go hang out with 25-year-old college students because they invited us to a party.
	Nope, same.
	Yeah, like driving in the back of the car, you know, smoking.
	Yeah, they like me because I'm a daughter in the water bottle.
	I was groomed.
	I was groomed.
	Literally.
	Lindsay Lee.
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	Why is that?
	I more so agree with Kenna, where like women do have privileges depending on what the career is, what part of society we're talking about.
	But as far as when you look at from like a white-collar standpoint, most of those positions are held by men.
	Most positions of power are held by men, and they're trying to change that gap.
	But at the same time, like you could argue that it's privilege.
	And men argue about pretty privilege all the time, and I totally agree with them.
	So I think it goes both ways.
	We both have our privileges.
	But as far as like from the white-collar standpoint, which is what most men are going to look at, men definitely have that under wraps.
	Which is what?
	What are the privileges?
	Well, I just told you, like, they're more likely to be selected or put into positions of power or authority or higher positions in companies.
	And, you know, women make up more than half the population, but the gap in those positions is what you have to make that claim.
	But this is why none of us want to engage because there's two who are trying to take over the show from you, and it just makes us not want to interact at all.
	But this is a debate.
	You said debates come with like statistics.
	She's allowed to ask you what you're saying.
	This is a panel that we're all having a discussion.
	You guys have done nothing but attack all of the women of our industry.
	Oh, you definitely are.
	Both of you definitely are.
	I am not attached to you.
	I think she's in the industry.
	And she came from the industry.
	And I can still get very annoying by just not answering questions.
	I would rather you just answer questions.
	It's more annoying to be interrupted.
	So I'd rather not answer than be interrupted and attacked by two women who just degrade rather than come up with real arguments.
	Oh, man.
	I'm not degrading you.
	I wish that you had more interesting things to say, and I wish that you answered questions when you asked them.
	When you're asking, I'm like, I would totally give you one because it sounds like you both need help with emotional.
	People put a lot of work and money and travel into being here.
	I'm very excited to be here.
	And to hear you just be like, it's so exciting to be able to do that.
	I'm happy to be here.
	I'm happy to be here.
	I'm not happy with the women chosen to be on this panel who are also allowed to take over the show and have several women who say that they don't feel like it's a fair conversation when you just interrupt and interrupt and degrade.
	I don't care about just be assertive.
	Like, I'm loud, totally.
	You've got to check me.
	My fiancé does all the time.
	I have a loud.
	I know, I'm assertive, and then you get up and walk away because you can't take it because you don't have emotional regulation.
	No, I actually choose to choose to leave when the conversation no longer involves me and take a breath.
	So, that actually is emotional intelligence radiation.
	Then, leave.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, no, I'm fine.
	I just think this could be a way better conversation without you here.
	Oh, you think so?
	Because you don't answer questions.
	So, if I wasn't here, I'm enjoying everyone here.
	Everyone's doing a great job.
	The stars of the show.
	No, no, no, being more privileged in society.
	It depends on the type of man.
	If you're Stephan Curry, then obviously you're having more privilege.
	If you're that AI version of me, then maybe not so much.
	That's valid.
	What kind of man are you?
	If he worked for it, is it privilege?
	Wait, I don't agree.
	If he worked for it, it's a privilege.
	I think that's what I was coming at you with: you're like, all these blue-collar men.
	How do you know they didn't work very hard to be there?
	You know, $1869.
	You literally did.
	Just a white collar.
	You're annoying.
	Jesus Christ.
	Death or Gray?
	Would you rather get shot, blown up, stabbed, and then die, or any version of SA and live?
	Women are more privileged.
	Name one thing women can't do that men can get an abortion of babies.
	Optically, yeah, I don't know.
	I think it's not.
	A lot of people aren't going to like this, but we're not at the point where men are just like, who's more privileged?
	It's actually like oppression at this point.
	Because if women took up the majority of the suicide rate, the homicide rate, the homeless rate, the addictions rate, majority to get killed by the police, majority to be victims of violent crime.
	It would be an international crisis and we would be marching for women's rights and women's oppression.
	So I think it doesn't do it justice to just be like, what's the word you used?
	Underprivileged.
	It's like oppression at this point.
	Moving on to the next one, we have women do not have equal rights to men in the USA, to which Taylor and Lindsay, or no, hold on, not Lindsay, sorry.
	Taylor and McKenna, you both agree.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	We're going to start with Taylor.
	Taylor, can you explain that?
	What do you mean?
	Can you say the question again?
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	You agree with this, so I guess what rights do men have that women don't?
	He said, start with Taylor.
	I know.
	I need a minute.
	I need a minute.
	Take over the show.
	No, no, why don't you just answer the question?
	I understand why you're so pissed all the time, Brian.
	I mean, she just said she wanted a minute.
	Yeah, okay.
	In my mind, where I went with it probably is just body autonomy.
	Like from a very young age, even if you have something bad happening.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	The question.
	She already, like the previous cup question, she already pushed it off to you.
	I'm asking Taylor now, in her own words.
	Yeah, we'll wait.
	Champagne pops.
	Okay.
	They're going to be angry the whole time they wait.
	No, I'm okay.
	You can go first.
	You go first.
	I'm not allowed.
	Just go first.
	Then you're if she goes first, you're just going to say, I agree with McKenna, like you did the previous times.
	I'm just asking.
	You said you agreed women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	I'm just asking how.
	I'm just going to be silent.
	Okay.
	But it's a podcast.
	I know.
	Can't wait to talk.
	Like, come on, girl.
	So, what right do men have?
	You have an opinion.
	Tell us it.
	I guess I'm okay.
	I'm okay.
	I'll be quiet for this one.
	Yeah, I was going to say, she's not going to give me a moment, but I'm going to.
	I'll set this one out.
	Hold on.
	Can you clarify?
	You want to be quiet because you.
	What's the matter?
	Because why?
	I'll just be quiet.
	What?
	Oh, man.
	Did she bully you?
	But why?
	Why do you want to?
	I didn't bully you into silence.
	Did she?
	No, I was going to be quiet.
	I hope not.
	I don't really have any statistics or anything.
	I don't know.
	Do you still agree with what you answered?
	I don't think I agree with what I answered.
	Okay, that's fair.
	That's cool.
	I don't even believe it, though.
	I don't believe it.
	I know, but like, I answered that like hours ago, and I probably had something on my mind, and I can't.
	There's like nothing.
	Okay, you guys seem to have a lot of opinions that you don't know if you stand by them or not.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	You agree with this.
	Is there anything that comes to mind as to why that is?
	As of... I'm literally holding my breath.
	No, it's fine.
	No, you didn't do anything.
	It's fine.
	I just, I don't think I agree with it now.
	Okay, so then your position then is women have equal rights to men in the United States.
	So bad faith.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	If you've changed your mind, the entailment of that would be that now your position is women do have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Oh my god, I'm literally sweating.
	I can like feel him raging beside me.
	I don't think he can like understand.
	The whole chair just shaking.
	Nothing.
	Okay.
	Do you think That women have Equal rights to men in the USA You can say anything And it's not I'm just going to say it anyway At least engage in good faith.
	Just get the fuck off the show if you're not going to.
	Like it's one thing for you to.
	If you say you've changed your position then, then the answer to this should surely be yes.
	Yes.
	Brian, I agree.
	Women do have equal rights to men in the USA, but now you're just playing some game.
	Okay.
	Yeah, okay.
	Is this what she does in relationships?
	She just fucking stonewalls and won't actually like engage in a conversation.
	Is this what you do?
	I'm tired.
	No.
	You're literally.
	I don't have any like statistics.
	I can't really ask.
	I'm not asking for statistics.
	I can't really think of anything.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know.
	I told you.
	I'll set this one out and I'll write you saying something and have me like fact check you.
	I'll set it out.
	I'm not asking you for statistics.
	I'm not asking you for a study.
	I'm just.
	Your personal opinion.
	Your personal opinion.
	I'm asking you: do women have equal rights to men in the USA?
	Oh my God.
	Just get her the fuck out of here.
	Like, what is the point of this?
	Somebody else could have come on and like actually added something.
	Like it's such a it's it's actually such a like disservice to all the people that put this podcast together for real.
	Well then let's let somebody else talk about it.
	I just can't think of anything.
	I just can't think of anything.
	But okay, but that would be a good idea.
	I get that you're not gonna, you're not, you can't think of an example.
	So is it true that your position actually is women do not have equal rights to men in the USA, to which you previously agreed?
	Wow.
	Honestly.
	So legally, do you have any of your own thoughts?
	Legally, we are equal.
	Yes or no?
	Depends on the scenario, I guess.
	I feel like we can be equal in some things, but some things men are don't think that we should have rights as women thinks that we should.
	Do you mean like state by state?
	It varies.
	Yeah.
	What things do men think you shouldn't have rights for?
	Uh, like abortion.
	That's not a right.
	Or that's true.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Abortion is not a right.
	I think.
	I don't know.
	We're getting there.
	You're talking to us.
	That's awesome.
	What else?
	Women can vote.
	That is true.
	We all can vote.
	I feel like I'm trying to convince my daughter to tell me what she learned at school that day.
	Like, this is the humming and hawing she gives me.
	She's like, well, huh.
	If you don't want to speak, just say, please move on to the next person.
	Well, she tried, but Brian feels like Brian's doing that whole show because she's like it a couple times.
	She's done it the whole time.
	Okay, can I just get a yes or no to this?
	Do you agree with this statement?
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Yes or no?
	I guess, I don't know.
	It just varies.
	Do you agree?
	Are you high right now?
	Hold on.
	That's my question.
	Stop stop you guys keep fucking I'm trying to get to it, but you fucking tired Forget it.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Do you agree?
	Men and women have equal rights.
	Oh my God, you're fucking retarded.
	Next fucking thing.
	Holy shit, dude.
	Holy fuck.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	Holy shit.
	Thank you for wasting fucking 10 minutes of our time.
	Holy shit.
	Unbelievable, bro.
	All right.
	She could have just said that immediately.
	Oh, actually, I don't think that, even though it would have been a fucking lie.
	God damn.
	Claim donated $69.
	Men have to work harder.
	Even attractive men have still have to work more than their equal counterpart.
	Men have to prove themselves constantly.
	Women just have to show up.
	This show is proof.
	I'm laying out here spitting facts today.
	All right.
	Thank you, Clay.
	I appreciate it, man.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	All we have heard from chair two is feminist prattle, complaining, and nonsense.
	You can't handle the facts and valid points some of the other women are making because you have no valid arguments.
	That part.
	Yep.
	No, I just feel like even when Taylor did speak up just now, she was immediately shot down and degraded for taking seven minutes to answer, but it's like you're literally the one waiting immediately or did it take seven minutes gaslighting.
	I'm not going to let you fucking gaslight.
	She's either intentionally trolling or she's so obtuse that she's just refusing to engage in good faith in the conversation.
	I feel like it's more of a trauma response based on how other people are acting.
	You can't claim trauma response for I said, I think.
	I know, but women cannot claim trauma response for everything in their life that they're not.
	They're all not traumatizing.
	So would you literally bro, this is a nation at a table.
	But would you both speak the same way to a men like this about it?
	Yes, he was wondering what the hell is wrong.
	I don't care if you're not like, I call negative guitar the patient.
	No, I'm not talking about Lord.
	I'm not talking about you because you're no longer the hook.
	I don't know if you're familiar with me, but I call out everybody.
	Men, women.
	My mouth is rated E for everybody.
	So nobody can claim that I just like take men's side because they get the smoke.
	That's literally what your entire persona online is, basically.
	Your man advocate.
	I'm not highlighting male issues.
	That doesn't mean I support men's wrongs.
	I'm not a feminist here.
	I can support men without supporting their wrongs.
	Feminists is used so loosely, and like you all don't even know what it actually is defined.
	Do you know what the OG definition is?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	What is it?
	Go ahead and go.
	No, no, no.
	Because I'm not going to say word for word.
	No, no, no.
	I'd rather be asking if you know it.
	You claim that it's not a word.
	But she's using this word.
	I don't know it.
	Okay.
	But I clearly said beforehand, I love men.
	I respect men.
	You don't have to.
	But I don't.
	Yeah.
	So wait, but why would I talk if I'm going to be interrupted?
	Right.
	What's the point?
	What is the point of this podcast if we're just all going to be interrupted anyway by one of the two women or three over here?
	So what's the definition of feminism?
	Go ahead, Chloe.
	No, I'm asking you.
	Did you pull it up on your phone while you were running away?
	No, I know it.
	Because you pulled it up on your phone.
	And don't interrupt you.
	What is it?
	I can Google it for you.
	No, you don't.
	No.
	You accused me of loosely using the term and are even trying to use like weird little petty attacks like me like walking away to Google stuff.
	So if you're so smart, because I don't think anyone's emotional response as a precaution, it can be just like very vaguely, you know, labeled as feminism every time.
	What does feminism mean to you?
	Wanting equal respect, rights, and privilege in society.
	And when you look at like, okay, let's give an example of like slavery, right?
	It no longer exists.
	But yeah, we still have sex slaves.
	Well, I know.
	But we still have sex slaves today.
	Not in the United States.
	They're still here.
	That's not true.
	There's still people from Arizona.
	The government, this is literally a fucking crime.
	No, it isn't.
	It's true.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	So the definition of feminism is the attempt to break down the patriarchal systems of hierarchy that oppress both men and women.
	So I'm very educated.
	I know I'm loud.
	Do you think corn is oppressive to men?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I do.
	Who do you think?
	Who do you think invented corn?
	Well, we said that women.
	Who invented?
	Like, let's say who started Cornhub?
	Who invented and started OnlyFans?
	A woman started OnlyFans and a man started Pornhub.
	Yeah.
	So when you're looking at who's benefiting or who's creating, you can't say it's all women who are creating these problems and creating things that are oppressing men.
	Nobody ever said that.
	You actually just said that.
	But that's what you are saying.
	You went.
	She knows the rails.
	And nobody ever said anything like that.
	Yeah, I don't even know where that's coming from.
	I'm so confused.
	It's hard to confuse me, but it is pretty tough answering a direct question, but once you're giving more context, it's like allowable at that point.
	So if somebody asks you, what's a feminist?
	And even she tried to give you another clarifier to you, but there still wasn't an answer that way.
	That makes sense.
	Well, they've given me a lot of people.
	Because they've given examples about how women can't walk to their car at night and feel like they can safely go to their car at night.
	And then you guys just try to argue that, oh, men are the victims of violent crimes as well.
	Yes, I agree.
	I agree that there are men and women who are victims of violent crimes, but men aren't constantly scared that there's going to be a woman behind them who's going to assault them.
	Not a woman.
	They're scared there's a man that's going to assault them.
	Exactly.
	But that's not why that's the same thing.
	But it's the same fear that women have.
	It's not any different.
	Yeah.
	And when men are.
	On both sides, the perpetrators are still men.
	That's not always the case, though, and it doesn't make all men bad.
	I never said it makes all men bad.
	I'm saying that, don't you think it would be great if we could have a society where, you know, men and women both faced equal consequences.
	I mean, we've got the whole Epstein stuff going on right now that proves how many people are involved in terrible things.
	Most of the time, actually, when you're talking about consequences, when you're talking about consequences, women generally get lesser consequences than men.
	Also, women generally get lesser punishment.
	Also, the majority of sex slaves, are they men in the world?
	There are men.
	Bro, this is what Lindsay's slides.
	No, what's the majority?
	I figured out what you do.
	That's the point.
	It's women and children.
	Stop both of you.
	This is what Lindsay's strategy is.
	When you're trying to have a substantive conversation about anything, any sort of criticisms directed towards feminism or her worldview, she immediately just goes to, well, it's called the fallacy of relative privation.
	Well, there's PDF files in the world and Epstein.
	And let's talk about grape.
	Like, you always want to shift the conversation to, like, well, there's other bad things happening in the world.
	So let's talk about that instead of like having a conversation about the actual topic at hand.
	That's your strategy for everything.
	Oh, that is a good idea.
	You always bring it in every single conversation.
	Every single conversation with you, it always devolves down to essay, sex slaves, Epstein, PDF files.
	That's literally, you have like some weird obsession.
	It's kind of weird.
	Like, we could be having a debate over pineapple on pizza, and you'd be like, well, hold on.
	Fucking Epstein's Island is like fucking.
	You'd fucking lose your fucking mind if you're debating.
	Okay, what do PDF files prefer?
	It's fucking weird.
	No, I think what she does that, but I think what she also does is when you're challenged with something, when you like, you think you know something and then someone challenges you.
	Like, you know, someone was talking about privilege.
	And so someone else responded with a statistic and you were like, see, like right now, you're checking out.
	You're like, when you hear something you don't like and when someone's not agreeing with you, you either check out or you have this like, what are those things called?
	Rolodex.
	You have a Rolodex of five topics and you're like, this one.
	Men sleep with goats.
	There's pedophiles.
	I've heard the most outrageous shit from you.
	And it's impressive.
	Okay.
	Like it's impressive.
	So round of applause for you.
	But again, it doesn't show intelligence at all.
	I never even said that.
	You never said you were intelligent?
	No, but you're just constantly projecting all this shit on me.
	What am I projecting anything on you?
	See, but again, right?
	I just said something to you that you don't like and you're like, well, you're projecting.
	But I know something you did like girl.
	And you're like, well, walk away.
	She has done a masterclass in gaslighting.
	Oh, for sure.
	100%.
	You would be a terrible person to date.
	I hope you stay single, actually.
	I can see alone.
	Absolutely.
	Probably super happy.
	One in four singles dialogue.
	I'm not including it until it somehow fits into your little Play-Doh.
	It doesn't even.
	She goes all the way upstairs.
	She goes upstairs, gets an argument, comes back.
	Confuses everybody.
	By the way, guys, we're just going to do the, we're going to have a roast session.
	TTS has been lowered.
	$30.
	Well, $29 TTS.
	$29 TTS.
	We do have Pasty.
	Hold on, Pasty.
	I'm going to get yours in here in just a minute.
	He's coming in.
	The hell?
	Or did I already do it?
	Wait, did I already do this one here?
	Thanks, D. George.
	Oh, I already came in.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I referenced that crap.
	Complaining and nonsense.
	You can't handle events and valid points.
	Some of the other women started either.
	It's been a while.
	$30.
	$30 TTS.
	Okay, McKenna.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Why is that?
	I think my thought process there is just in regards probably to not being allowed to do what we want to do with our own bodies.
	And I understand there's birth control available and there are condoms available.
	And I understand that getting an abortion is not like something that could be a right.
	But I think you should be allowed to do what you want to do with your own body.
	If you are pregnant, you shouldn't have to be forced to carry the pregnancy, depending on the state that you live in.
	But what would this have to do with equal rights between men and women?
	Yeah, because men don't have that.
	They actually have zero options.
	So where's the equality?
	I'm convinced.
	That would actually be more of a privilege.
	You have to be of a certain age.
	And like, there's a lot of other factors into being able to go and get your tubes tied as a woman if you're single and you're not in a relationship with a man.
	So the same.
	I could have gotten my tubes tied at 15.
	My fiancé is going to, like, I have a disease that directly affects my uterus.
	And in order to get rid of that disease, I could get a hysterectomy.
	I can make that decision.
	I can also make the decision to do porn, corn, which is literally deciding what I do with my body on a daily basis.
	No, she's right though.
	Doctors, well, I want to get my tubes tied.
	And my, even though I have two kids, I'm just going to say that.
	I'm not saying that she's wrong.
	My fiancé has to sign off on that, but he wants to get a vasectomy, and I also have to sign off on it.
	So that's something that we just aren't taught as women.
	I wasn't either.
	I was shocked because I was like, what a disservice, but it goes both ways.
	As far as my understanding, though, he only has to get it signed off by you because you guys are together.
	The vasectomy?
	Like, if you were a single man, he could just go get a vasectomy.
	No, if he, depending on how old he was and how many kids he has.
	With okay, then I'd say that's just misinformation.
	Not on your part.
	I mean, on the majority of the population, not understanding that a man has to get any type of.
	Part of that has to do with that when you want something like that done, it's a surgery.
	Your insurance company is paying for it.
	If there is not a medical necessity for it, your insurance company does not want to pay out for something like that.
	In relation to this, I don't know if you guys have heard of like the daddy stitch or like getting the stitch to make the vagina opener tighter.
	That still happens in a lot of places.
	It was only like within the past.
	No, it's not.
	It's absolutely not.
	I've heard nurses and stuff talk about it.
	Not even too far back, like maybe 10 years, they started to get rid of that.
	But there are, I literally just looked it up recently.
	This is like a very dubious claim.
	It's not, though.
	It is.
	Okay, well, how do you differentiate?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	So I agree that it possibly has happened or, you know, it has happened that this has been done where they do an additional stitch for the pleasure of the husband.
	Again, I've actually not seen any evidence for this.
	I looked into this.
	Oh, yeah, no, the woman has to consent.
	I looked into this.
	My understanding, though, that they're trying to conflate women who have had vaginal tearing, and the doctor does what is medically necessary by stitching up a vaginal tear.
	I think the thing is the guy says, oh, throw another stitch in there for me.
	They don't do that, though.
	Yeah, they don't do that anymore.
	This is some like feminist trope.
	No, I definitely will do more research.
	I will definitely do more research to make sure I don't make the mistake of saying the wrong thing about it.
	Hold on.
	The tubal legation, it does not require a husband's signature or consent from the research I've just done.
	What?
	Getting your tubes tied to the signal.
	It's our dog legation.
	It does not require a husband's signature or consent.
	But some doctors will deny you.
	We'll deny you, won't allow you to do it.
	Well, part of that has to be.
	Hold on, but here's the thing.
	I think what you're trying to get at is that there are, it perhaps is a longer, There's more perhaps hoops you have to jump through to get your tubes tied, but that's because it's a more invasive procedure, and I don't believe it's reversible, whereas vasectomies can be reversible.
	So, vasectomies are done.
	I don't know if with tubes tied, you have to like go under and you have to be put under.
	The vasectomy is a very, it's not a particularly invasive procedure.
	You're in and out pretty quick.
	And so, I don't know.
	There's a lot of things being thrown out here.
	It seems a bit dubious, but I'll definitely do more research into that.
	But me, too.
	When it comes to equal rights, I think we're talking about something that's sort of like a law, something like that.
	So, McKenna, I'm just asking again, you say women do not have equal rights to men the USA.
	I ask how.
	The only point of subject that I had on that that I was thinking of was about the body autonomy and the rights with our bodies and having access to care, being able to get it done, like you said, with less hoops to jump through necessarily.
	But I also didn't know that any man had to have any type of, like you saying you had to sign off for your partner or friend to get a vasectomy or want to get a vasectomy.
	Yeah, I didn't know that was a thing, you know, so that's ignorance on my part there.
	Yeah, it might be different here.
	It may be different here because I was like, I didn't think about that.
	I was like, as far as I knew here, that's not how it was, or that the man had more of the right over himself.
	But that's really the only point of contingent that my mind jumped to.
	But that's abortion is something that sort of primarily is related to women.
	But again, as it relates to equal rights, you could make the argument that in order for equality to exist between men and women on this issue, you would have to roll back abortion rights entirely for there to be equality between men and women.
	Yeah, or you could just give men the same amount of time to choose that women have.
	It's called financial abortion or legal paternal.
	And I don't understand why that's not a thing.
	I definitely think that should be a thing.
	There are teachers who have like, and this isn't just some weird propaganda.
	You can Google it.
	There's many news stories where a grown-ass woman has molested a teenage boy.
	He got her pregnant and he had to pay child support.
	So you've got like men paying to their perpetrators.
	So I think men actually very clearly have less rights over their own autonomy than women do.
	They don't even have birth control.
	What the fuck?
	Okay, well.
	It seems like nobody has any support for women not having rights to men the USA.
	I think the last one on the questionnaire that we'll do, then we're going to let some roast come in.
	By the way, guys, $30 TTS, get the roast in.
	We're going to let a few collect, then we'll get them all out.
	Wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.
	Why is that?
	Yeah, I circled that one too.
	Taylor, oh no, she didn't.
	Oh, Taylor didn't circle that one.
	I just feel like body count shouldn't really matter.
	If you like somebody, you like somebody.
	I don't think it should matter who they slept with, how many times they've slept with somebody.
	Like a pass is a pass.
	Almost everyone here, though, except for Taylor, it seems, agrees.
	Wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.
	It's like broke women that don't have any sort of aspirations to do anything in life demanding a rich man.
	It's like, why?
	Why do you equate to that type of value?
	It's the same thing as like a woman, like a bonnie blue.
	Well, she does demand virgins, but never mind.
	Let's put a different one.
	It's like, even, you know, if somebody with like, like you, you've got a very high body count.
	If you were to demand a virgin, I would probably actually question your intentions and assume you're a predator, actually.
	Because it's like naivety to me.
	Yeah.
	Virginity comes with like naivety and inexperience.
	And so if you're somebody that has a lot of experience and you're purposefully seeking somebody with no experience, sus.
	Questionable.
	Why is it sus?
	Because there's like it's taking away an innocence in a way.
	Not quite.
	It's the wanting them to never be touched.
	I don't know.
	I have my own opinion about this.
	It's that men want to believe that they are like the best sexual partner that this person has ever been with.
	Right.
	And so they want to be with somebody who's never really been with anybody because they don't have anything to compare it to.
	Let's grant that.
	Let's say that, yes, these men are, they want to be the best with that woman.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	What's that?
	What's actually wrong with that?
	I don't see something wrong with that.
	I think if it's pretty, I don't know, if everyone's thinking about like a sultan wanting 10 virgin girls over like one, you know, Mary Magdala, like I understand why the sultan would want pure women to create a pure legacy, if that makes sense.
	But I, so here's the thing I don't know if I'm struggling with this here.
	This idea that, so guys, so trying to think the framing on this.
	Okay, here it is.
	So if it is wrong for men to have a preference towards women who have had less sex, then your position must be that men should want their girlfriend or wife to have fucked more men.
	Like that would be more idealistic than I don't, I don't believe I'm saying that.
	I'm thinking like the men would like a lower body count type thing.
	For me, I would want a guy who has been with more women because I would want him to be able to get more experienced.
	Yeah.
	Well, there's a differential here between what it takes to be good in pet between a man and a woman.
	Connections, all you need.
	But again, where I get stumped here is then if it's wrong for a man to want a woman with a low body count or to be a virgin, then the opposite then must be true.
	Then it must be a desirable thing for the guy to like want his girlfriend to have been through as much dick as possible.
	Which is like way worse, like a way more untenable position than the guy who wants to date a virgin or a woman with a low body count.
	Okay.
	I think I'm getting a little confused, so I'm not going to.
	I maybe take mine back because I see the word prefer now.
	Preference is everybody can prefer whatever they want.
	To expect it is where it gets sussed out.
	Even, I mean, even preferring, I'd be like, eh, like, why?
	But I mean, some people are into like tossing salads.
	And I'm like, why?
	Right.
	But preferences, fine.
	But if you're going to expect it, it's just delusional.
	It's like a, it's, it's like an OnlyFans model expecting this like super rich guy that's going to, you know what I'm saying?
	Like it's, it's, it's not realistic, in my opinion.
	I just think it's weird.
	I think the difference here, though, is I think this is because this is what men are attracted to.
	They're attracted to women with a low body count or women who are virgins.
	I think there's differentials.
	There's asymmetry between what men are attracted to and what women are attracted to.
	But I wouldn't, for example, a woman who lacked confidence, but she was attracted to men who had confidence.
	I wouldn't think that this is, it would be wrong for her to desire confidence in a partner if she's lacking in that trait or any other trait.
	Maybe a woman who's, she's not funny at all, but she, and I think, you know, maybe this is the case for a lot of women, but almost, this is a universal among women.
	Women like funny guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	But are women wrong or hypocritical if they're not funny themselves for finding humor in men attractive?
	I would say, no, that's, it's, if you're not a funny woman, but you want to date a funny guy, totally fine.
	Don't think you're a hypocrite at all.
	Even though, to your example, Chloe, even if a woman's broke and she wants to date a billionaire, I don't fault her for finding a billionaire attractive.
	That almost seems like.
	I don't either.
	But when she starts demanding it.
	Well, whether she can get it or not is another question.
	Right.
	But a woman who's attracted to a man who's wealthy, even if she's not wealthy herself, I don't think this would point towards her being wrong or hypocritical or this thing.
	I don't think in order to desire a trait in somebody, you need possess said trait.
	Yeah, I think you sold me on that one.
	I agree with you.
	All right, there we go.
	Sweet.
	Agreement.
	Good job, Brian.
	There we go.
	No problems.
	No points.
	Look, I think there's a lot of women who desire things, are attracted to things in men that they don't have, will never have.
	You know, like a woman who's a nobody, but she finds a famous actor attractive and she would definitely date him.
	Whether he would date her or not is another question.
	I wouldn't be like, oh, you're, that's wrong for you for the asymmetry to exist in your level of desire for this person because you lack the trait that they possess that you like.
	But it's whether or not it's a dating requirement.
	Like if a guy with a huge body count is like, I will only date virgins.
	I'm okay with it.
	If you're preferring it, it's fine.
	If it comes from some sort of like religious and or like, like not, I don't know, if it comes from a complex of some type, where again, it's just like, I don't want her to have ever been with any other man because I want her to only like be loyal to me and like praise me and like I'll be the sexual master for her or something.
	Wait, that sounds weird.
	That sounds wait, hold on.
	That's totally okay.
	That's fair.
	Okay, I do understand that.
	As women, we find it a bit possessive.
	Women don't like to be like possessed by nature.
	It's fine.
	Like it's okay for them to prefer virgins.
	But if you are like, I will only date a virgin because I want to be the dominant.
	It's just weird.
	I get it.
	There's both sides to an argument.
	I think it's okay.
	I also think.
	It's about the intention, man.
	What are your intentions?
	Do you just prefer it or do you demand it?
	It's a big difference.
	I think it definitely can be different things for different people, but I don't know.
	I'm kind of losing my stance on this, I feel.
	You got us here, Brian.
	Because we've had this conversation with a guy before, and the guy was like, oh, no, no.
	Like, body count doesn't matter.
	This is like this weird thing where, you know, it's kind of maybe predatory for a guy to, you know, he was saying that it points towards men's insecurity to want a partner who has little experience because there's like a comparison that's going on.
	And he was trying to make the argument that men don't want to be compared to other partners.
	But then the logic would follow that, okay, well then if that's the case, your position must be, then wouldn't you then want your woman to have fucked a bunch of other men before you?
	So she has the biggest pool of data to judge you from?
	That's going from one extreme to the other one.
	You don't want to be judged.
	That's the point.
	Sure, I mean, a hundred body, you know, a woman who's fucked a hundred men.
	No offense to the ladies here who have fucked more than that, who have who have, you know, gone above and beyond on that front.
	But it's like, I think the more tenable position is the guy who you might have criticism, criticisms of it, but the guy who would prefer to not be compared to a bunch of men versus the guy who has a leaning and a preference towards being with a woman who's fucked more men.
	Like, I don't think any man thinks in his head, gee, I really like this girl, but only if she had fucked more men before me.
	Like, that's not, that's not a thought process.
	I also ever had.
	I've also never met a man in real life, either online in my community or in person that is like preferred, as outwardly said, I prefer virgins.
	I think most everyday average men just want somebody that loves them, respects them, and values them.
	Oh, yeah, there's other people at the end of the day.
	There's other is it out there?
	Sure, but I've never seen it first.
	There's obviously more, there's other things than just a woman's body count or if she's a virgin.
	Right.
	Like a woman could be a virgin, which is probably the most optimum manifestation of this thing, but she's a raging bitch.
	It's like, no, I don't want to date a raging bitch, even if she's a virgin.
	So, you know, it's not the end-all-be-all.
	Like, I would rather also date a guy who has a low body count because I want to be special to him too.
	And if his number is in the hundreds, you know, am I really that special?
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, that just clicked for me for sure because I also prefer low body counts.
	And I just think that it speaks a lot to how a man values a woman and her body, but that's a big part of it.
	Like, I don't want to, if you've slept with all these other women, like, what am I going to?
	Are you going to have like your reels playing in your head of like the favorite times?
	Like, what do I compare to?
	That's a good point.
	All right, Brian, I'm even more on your side.
	Okay.
	We're going to get into the roast session, guys.
	Oh, my God.
	$29 TTS.
	Then we're going to wrap this up.
	$29 TTS.
	Before we do, though, any final thoughts from any panelists?
	Going once, going twice?
	No?
	Okay.
	$30 TTS.
	Get them in, boys.
	Get them in.
	All right.
	So, actually, wait, we have a super chat first.
	Christopher, who do you think is physically more capable of bearing children?
	19-year-old women or 35-year-old women.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Who do you think is more likely to be able to provide for a family?
	19-year-old men or 35-year-old men?
	Seems like common sense to me for both men and women.
	Nice beard, Christopher.
	God damn, look at that.
	He's a handsome guy.
	Would you date Christopher?
	Is he?
	I can't tell.
	Is he black?
	Is he black?
	If you're not black, it doesn't matter because I'm not racist.
	Is he aboriginal?
	I can't tell you.
	Yeah, I just said I'm opening myself up to white people.
	So bring it on.
	All right.
	Christopher, you single?
	You're single, right?
	I am single.
	And you only date black guys.
	No, she said she said she opened it.
	He's trying to set me up.
	No, no.
	All right.
	Well, Christopher, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	All right.
	The TTS roasts are coming in.
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	Okay, we have I Love Men.
	Thank you.
	We love men donated $29.
	Chloe ship to twos.
	When the pot started, I really enjoyed your dicks.
	Openness, etc.
	Chair number four, you are doing what she can't, being respectful whilst not flicking Brian's little ween under the cup.
	Wow, nice roast.
	That was good one.
	Chair four.
	I'm flicking your wiener, I guess.
	Being respectful.
	It's the accent.
	She has the AI.
	No, I don't get it.
	That's what it is.
	Thank you, though.
	Thanks for that one.
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	All forms of feminism are wrong.
	Brat.
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	Oh, chat.
	Do you think we should, instead of having it be TTS, we have Jade?
	Should we have Jade read the roasts?
	What do you think?
	Yeah, female mistakes.
	Sound good, Jade?
	Let me see what the chat says.
	Chat.
	One in the chat, if Jade should read.
	Two in the chat, if just leave it TTS.
	That's crazy.
	One in the chat, Jade reads the roasts.
	Two in the chat, leave it as TTS.
	One in the chat, Jade does the roasts.
	Two in the chat, leave it as TTS.
	I love how everyone thinks that roasting my tattoos is going to hurt me.
	Like, you have to look at them.
	I have to lip with them.
	Like, you think I think they're great?
	All right, looks like it's one.
	All right, Jade.
	I guess you don't have to wear them every day.
	Do the reads.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to let.
	Oh, one sec.
	Here, this one's going to come through, and then hold on.
	Penmaker donated $30.
	Okay.
	Mindless prattle room temperature IQ heifer and I'm not reading a direct product of feminism I'm misogyny I'm kidding Yes in a while kick her and chair five for good measure Damn it You know, I used to be calling people heifers, man.
	That's pretty rude.
	I don't even like the chick, but that's rude.
	Oh.
	This should work now.
	Okay, if you can read this.
	Just want to help the defense fund against crazy Kylie.
	She's nuts though.
	I will say women are usually hold on.
	Let me fix it.
	What happened there?
	Sorry, guys.
	One sec.
	So calming and relaxing.
	What a nice closeout to the show.
	She's like, you're a bitch.
	And it's like the best thing I ever heard.
	Can you record some ASMR for me?
	Donated $29.99.
	Just want to help the defense fund against Crazy Kylie.
	She's nuts, though.
	Scuffed.
	I will say, women are usually just exhausting to deal with.
	Better to live alone in a desert.
	No, it's okay.
	All right.
	Harold, let's do this.
	Let's see if this works.
	Faster.
	Pineapple on pizza is delicious.
	Chair one, two, or three.
	Does life begin at the erection conception credit check or bank account review?
	Claim for another winner.
	All right.
	And read their name, like do a thank you.
	Like, thank you, Penmaker.
	Thank you, Penmaker.
	You donated $30.
	The room temp IQ vote in chair 2 is a direct product of feminism and is the most bad faith guest you've had in a long time.
	Brixon, you're a saint.
	Thank you.
	Oh, it's like an inside joke, kind of.
	They put an X in the name.
	Thank you.
	Pasty George that donated $30.
	Chair 8 is correct.
	Female child predators are on the rise.
	Female teachers are preying on and sleeping with young boys and girls, but mostly boys.
	This is happening in Canada as well.
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	I don't know what that is.
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	Chair eight, you are not my type, but I do really like your worldview.
	That's you, Chloe.
	No, I'm chair eight.
	You're chair eight.
	Oh, I thought you were chair eight.
	I thought I was chair nine.
	Who's chair nine?
	One, two, three, four, five, six.
	That's Brian.
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	Would Kate be interested in a short-distance relationship across the border with an ooh, intention to build a family in Vancouver, BC?
	Possibly.
	All right, there you go.
	Couples being made in the chat here.
	Wow.
	We've had honestly, though, a lot of women have come on the show and found boyfriends.
	Really?
	Wow.
	A lot of women.
	A lot of women.
	Nick, were you laughing?
	Thank you, Plain donated $29.
	The only one worth attention on this panel is the one not exploiting herself.
	I respect you and you deserve a decent high-value guy.
	The other chopped-up plastic fakes enjoy an empty, superficial life.
	Wait, you said there was only one?
	There's like sold to more of the women out.
	Clain has a favorite.
	That's fine.
	Thanks for the donation.
	He won't tell us who the favorite is, though.
	Yeah, they're leaving it a mystery.
	Inquiring minds want to be aware of that.
	Adam Jackson donated $30.
	It really isn't more complicated than the more men a woman sleeps with comes with habits that aren't conductive to being in a healthy, monogamous relationship.
	Also, it's not wrong to want.
	It disappeared a virgin.
	Okay.
	Not wrong to not want to be compared.
	That's what he read.
	Dave on.
	Thank you, man.
	Joe Finley donated $30.
	Men want low because body count women.
	Women want high body count men.
	Men want the highest beauty and childbearing ability.
	Women want security and protection.
	Value increases with men and reversibly.
	Oh, fuck.
	Value increases with men and inversely with women due to this truth.
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	A desire for virgin women is based in a timeless concept of female virtues.
	Chaste women are viewed as adhering to their female virtue.
	Women hold men to a different set of virtues, which we accept.
	All right, there you go.
	Just skip.
	I'm not getting roasted, though.
	Skip the donated part.
	Just say, like, thank you, Pasty George.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	I've talked to many men both in Canada and the US who said they want a virgin trad woman from another country because they've had such horrible experiences with Western women, especially in marriage.
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	Brian, you know damn well it's too hot out there to be wearing that big ass jacket.
	Quit trying to hide that huge dumpy burrito boy.
	That's true.
	L for all the nasty 304s who will end up alone with cats or poor simps.
	I can't believe you get it.
	Not the cat.
	Oh, yeah, they roast the shit out of me.
	They roast the shit out of me.
	All right.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	The chat proves that the simp epidemic is real.
	Why in the joyful?
	I don't know what that means.
	Any of you want chair four to read out the TTS?
	Fucking loser simps.
	They like my voice.
	You'd be nice voices.
	Well, probably because like the TTS voice, it comes through the computer speakers into the microphone.
	It's actually just probably more pleasing to the ears, I guess.
	Thank you, Griddles.
	Chloe getting a tattoo of Brian on her arm before coming onto the show is crazy work.
	This is Brian.
	20.
	Actually, there was an audience.
	Hot.
	You're on me forever.
	I know Lil Pete.
	Like how he looks.
	He's a little misshaven.
	Well, I was going to say, they were very generous.
	It's not that he's an ugly guy, but he's quite striking, you know, here.
	This is very, you know, anyways, whatever.
	Anyways, rest in peace.
	Rest in peace.
	Thank you, Davin Jackson.
	Chairs two and three don't have the fortitude to just say with their chest that they think more than 51% of men would assault them.
	They don't even consider that more men would help/slash ignore than hurt them.
	Fair point.
	Fair point.
	What are they ignore part?
	Not everybody would help.
	No.
	Find the handle on Instagram.
	Let's go on a date next month.
	Wait, who's this for?
	Seattle.
	Oh, Kate?
	What?
	The Van Can Wander?
	Yeah, Van Can Wander.
	Can you find that one on Instagram?
	Okay.
	Wait, Van.
	Like Van Life?
	We charge a syntax then.
	If you're going to be simping, we're charging the syntax.
	You got to send in a $69 TTS as a syntax.
	He can also just find me on Instagram.
	Thank you, Mailmaker.
	Chair eight, don't tell me what to do.
	You could eat an apple in one bite.
	Chair nine, don't get burrito grease on those pens.
	Chair one and two, both infected by feminist ideas, put chair one in infinitely more pleasant.
	Oh, thank you.
	Oh my god.
	Thank you.
	Beehood 21.
	A high body count woman, statistically six plus, will also bring problems into the relationship like cheating, loss of pair bonding, relationship dissatisfaction, depression, anxiety, and loneliness.
	That's actually a true statistic.
	It's facts.
	Thank you.
	Big pullout.
	Chair two and chair five, intellectually disabled.
	Chair one and chair eight, nice.
	Nice.
	Do you guys want to respond?
	Chair two, so that's Lindsay and chair five, big booty tailor.
	Do you guys want to respond to being called intellectually disabled?
	Any response?
	You're good?
	You want to roast back?
	You can roast back if you want.
	Oh, I mean.
	No, because I think that his name was Big Pullout.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, I know.
	I bet it's actually little.
	Teeny pull out anything.
	Big pull out.
	Anything you guys are going to just let him just fucking roast.
	I can roast them for you guys.
	I don't think he can pull out.
	Because after his two-second beat, you know.
	Boom.
	Roasted.
	Good job.
	Thank you, Devin Jackson.
	I just wanted to have Chair Four say that Chairs two and three and five are rat-todded, unable to stand on anything they believe and are overall uninteresting.
	I mean, I guess.
	Thank you.
	Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
	Used for my voice.
	Like, I'm being sorry, dreams.
	Chair six, you are very empathetic.
	I wish you the best.
	Shut up.
	All right.
	Cool, cool.
	Guys, if you want, get them in.
	We have Dix.
	Oh, my God.
	He almost got me.
	You almost got me.
	I caught it.
	Just cause thing for the membership.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, $30 TTS.
	Get him in.
	Get him in.
	We need some roasts.
	You know, I think who hasn't been roasted?
	Chair one hasn't really been roasted too much.
	She's been roasted.
	That's because Gemma needs to be roasted.
	I expected roasting.
	I need it.
	I think Kate needs a bit of a roast after she got simped on.
	Did I get roasted?
	Oh, yeah.
	I gotta help you.
	I feel like you guys spent the first 20 minutes roasting me, so.
	Why are you on alimony still?
	That was the roast.
	Exactly.
	Why are you still getting money, girl?
	We have a segment where everybody removes their makeup.
	Nice.
	Let's go, boys.
	I'm actually gonna take a look at this.
	Let me take her.
	Oh, I'll do it.
	All right, I'm like sweating.
	I need a face reflection.
	Are you clean?
	I'm not gonna look much different, though, guys.
	Don't be astonished.
	All right, guys.
	$30 TTS, get them in, get them in.
	Oh, no, not you.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, these are mine.
	Can they be getting a roast?
	Do you know how many compliments I got from girls being like less?
	At least it's gonna go slightly red, though.
	But that's not fucking good.
	You're gonna do it.
	Take it off.
	No, thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I literally look the same.
	I'm good.
	For the shits and giggles.
	I don't want to have to redo it.
	I've been on my face too long.
	Still keeping my bedtime routine.
	It's late.
	See, I told you I don't look any different.
	I brought it up to my sixth puel face.
	Hold it.
	And then when you're done, when you're done.
	Are you going to do it?
	Do it.
	Michael, this is Cumber Ready Makeup.
	Come on, do it.
	Be a good sport.
	You didn't answer any of the questions.
	At least take your makeup.
	Take your paint off.
	We're going to have to paint it.
	Hold on.
	I got to yoink this.
	Oh, this is kind of cool.
	Don't squeeze it too hard.
	You fill up the thing on it.
	Did I?
	Don't squeeze it too hard.
	Not super hard.
	Like, don't like mind squish push, but yeah, you can tangle.
	Look, I can barely open it.
	I can barely open champagne bottles, okay?
	Don't worry.
	I'm not going to.
	No, you don't have the grip strength.
	I don't have the grip strength for this.
	All right, hold it up.
	This is damage.
	This is my new Caucasian.
	Hold up the damage.
	Okay.
	All right, we got Chloe here.
	Hold it up over here.
	Hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	Can I tangle some?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Anyone you want?
	She's going to do it.
	Yay!
	I might need two.
	Do not judge here.
	Did you even use this once during the show?
	Yeah, she did.
	Yeah.
	I feel like it was just sitting there the entire time.
	She had a fidget thing.
	The first time I was on it, I was fidgeting with it the entire time.
	So I'm kind of proud of it.
	Hold him up.
	Hold him up.
	Let's see.
	Let's see.
	No, you're just going to wipe it off.
	Run.
	Top to bottom.
	Oh, my God.
	One second.
	Take it and go freak it.
	Hold it up to bottom.
	Hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	All right.
	There it is, folks.
	There's the makeup transformation.
	Transformation.
	Love it.
	Are you waiting on me?
	She's got my lipstick.
	She's going to do it.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, she's doing it?
	Okay, good.
	I'll let some chats come through.
	Jade, you ready to read while they're now we're staring?
	Well, everyone's done.
	Thank you, Penmaker.
	Brian Brixon.
	After this panel, you have a much better claim that this podcast caused emotional.
	Holy shit.
	Talking about me diddling yourself.
	Digital.
	Yeah, you've definitely, you've been digital essay.
	Digital essay.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, you know what's funny about that, though?
	Is like anything that happens on the show, that's not ever really my primary source of stress as it relates to the show.
	It's always shit that's happening behind the scenes.
	That's the stressful part.
	You know, look, I called her, I called a couple people tonight, retards.
	But I'm not, look, I'm not, there's no hard feelings.
	I'm not, I don't have any, there's no long-standing beef with anybody who's on the show.
	I hate you now, Brian.
	I hate with you.
	Oh, I know you hate you.
	We are enemies, Brian.
	Oh, wait, hold it up again.
	Sorry, I missed it.
	Hold it up.
	Oh, you're pretty.
	Wait, hold that one.
	Can you hold that one up?
	I have to do a second one.
	I'm not done yet.
	Hold your first one.
	Yeah, we'll do that.
	Oh, the freckles are real.
	There are.
	That's what I said.
	That's what I said.
	Wait, get the side.
	Wait, aren't they tattoos?
	This one?
	You can tell.
	Are they tattoos?
	Yeah, are they handy?
	Freckles or tattoos.
	They might be tattoos.
	Oh, shit.
	Exposed.
	I wanted to do that.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Freckle tattoos.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's the way they're done very well, though.
	Yeah.
	Let me see.
	Hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	Spread them.
	Okay, that's sounded good.
	You're so proud, right?
	Yeah, you're gorgeous naturally.
	Wait, did we?
	Sorry, did we read this one?
	Jade, was it Pasty?
	I wasn't paying attention.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	I like it when women say that they would rather choose a random band of woods over a man, but get mad when men do not want drag queens in children's schools or trans men in women's washrooms.
	L-O-L.
	Yo, Pasty George, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, Van Conwonder.
	Burritos Overload and personal trainer as Simps text.
	Kate got enough roasted.
	Come on.
	Can't find her on Instagram.
	Drop your handle right now.
	Right now.
	It's on the whatever thing when if they share it, it's Kate, period, not period, cat, period.
	Do you want to share your pew-pew one or no?
	You have a different Instagram, the pew-pew one.
	No.
	You don't want to share it?
	Okay.
	All right.
	No, I have a different Instagram with a different name.
	Oh, you said Pew Pew is a good idea.
	Thank you, I guess.
	Chair One is based, but is a literal succubus demon.
	Oh my God.
	It's diabolical.
	She also talks about ethical non-monogamy, but makes men pay for intimacy.
	She said her man can't give women.
	I never said.
	Oh, like you can give intimacy to those men, but your man can't.
	Makes men pay for intimacy.
	She said her man can't give WM.
	Like women.
	Like women.
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't know.
	It's not my man.
	My man gives me lots of love.
	Refreshing.
	I am very secure in my relationship.
	Wait, but can your man give other women love?
	Yeah, he does.
	Yeah, okay.
	And he does it very well.
	All right.
	$30 TTS, guys.
	If you want your message read, and that's through streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	Final call, then we're going to get this wrapped up here.
	Does someone just say that I told someone to kill themselves?
	Oh, just avoid that.
	It was below the threshold, too.
	Oh, I was like, well, I've never said that.
	I would never say that.
	$30 TTS, guys.
	Final call, final call.
	Then we're going to get this wrapped up here.
	TTO.
	All right.
	Final call.
	All right.
	Guys, if you've enjoyed the stream, like the video.
	Also, if you guys can stick around right after we end the stream, if you guys can leave some comments on the video.
	Leave some nice comments.
	So we did the roast session.
	We end with the roast.
	But what I'd like to see, leave some nice comments.
	Even about Big Booty Tay Tay.
	You can leave some nice comments.
	This is really, really nice of you, Brian.
	I'm impressed.
	Yeah, this has never happened before.
	Stay till the end.
	Because you can't leave comments during the actual live stream, but once the live stream's over, then you're allowed to leave the comments on the show.
	So, guys, stay till the very end and just drop a little nice comment.
	You know, say you like Chloe's little peep tattoo, or you like her split tongue.
	You want to show them the split tongue?
	There it is.
	You like Lindsay's, how smart she is.
	How big natty she is.
	McKenna, you know, you like her dog tattoo.
	Looks like a nice dog.
	There you go.
	You like her.
	She's got an airplane there.
	There's a sword.
	Jade, you know, Jade, that she's British.
	You got Big Booty Tay there.
	You can tell her that you like her freckles, you know, or she's got nice fake freckles.
	Are they actually fake?
	They're tattooed on.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't do that.
	I don't really wear makeup that much.
	I should have been calling you freckles the entire night.
	Let's see.
	You can tell her that she's a great black conservative woman.
	Nice.
	You can tell Kate that you love her gauges, even.
	Even what?
	We left her gauges.
	And then, all right, well, you already said the thing.
	You can just tell me to fuck off.
	Do that.
	Let's see.
	Okay, a couple final ones coming through.
	We have.
	I think that guy that was claiming that I sell stuff on my Patreon, I was pissed about it, but now I just realized that he did me a service because now everyone's going to subscribe, hoping to see boobs, and they're going to be so disappointed.
	But hopefully, you stay.
	Bamboozled.
	Do you feel less confident showing yourself without makeup?
	In any case, you're all magnificent, just as you are.
	Oh, natural.
	I love you.
	Thank you, Penman.
	I'm so confident with wearing a cup.
	I prefer not to wear it.
	I've never worn a lot of makeup.
	I love it.
	Fair face.
	But like, if you go on camera, you have to wear like a bad thing.
	Thank you, Penmaker.
	Yeah, but here's the twist: you deserve every bit of the trauma until you lose all that jiggle wiggle club fest.
	You can deep throat a burrito better than the OF girls can an eggplant emoji.
	That's rude as fuck.
	That's wild.
	Yeah, that's actually super rude.
	Savage.
	Thank you for the donation.
	I do.
	Burritos.
	He said, but I can't.
	Deep throat that burritos.
	Hold on.
	Look, five, ten minutes, it's gone.
	Oh, man.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	I want to thank the panel lists for attending the podcast and to Brian, our host.
	Respect to the women who remove their makeup to show their real faces online.
	Thank you all and good night.
	Booju.
	W Pasty George.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I hope the casino money is killing it.
	He's a First Nations.
	Oh, nice.
	Canadian.
	Canadian.
	Shout out.
	Yeah.
	Wait, where?
	I want to know where.
	Yeah, can he go to your can Chloe go to your casino, pasty George?
	Wasn't he the one that called me fat?
	I don't think he was.
	Yeah, no reason to kick it.
	I'm going to comment.
	I'm getting everything there.
	Oh, shit.
	Everything.
	Oh, shit.
	All right, guys.
	Let me see if there's any shout outs for Venmo.
	I think we're all good.
	But if you want to send something, whatever, pod.
	Guys, like the video if you enjoyed the stream.
	Final call out on Twitch.
	Pull up Twitch really quick.
	Guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	As we're exiting the stream here, guys, just drop us a follow.
	Check if you have a follow available.
	And also check.
	Oh, Barry Gooseman.
	Thank you for the five gifted subs.
	Guys, it's been one hour since we last had a prime.
	Guys, I think it's bugged.
	Can we just do a quick little check here?
	Unbug the stream for me.
	Unbug it.
	See if you can do a little Twitch prime in the chat.
	Would very much appreciate it.
	Discord.gg/slash whatever.
	Check it out.
	If you're my Caucasian, you'll join shoptopwhatever.com.
	Big labia matter.
	And yeah.
	Okay.
	Like the video.
	Let Brian know if you want me to come back.
	Yeah.
	Literally.
	We'll have her back.
	We'll have her back.
	Let's see if there's anything else.
	Okay.
	Steve Gooch.
	Thank you for the prime.
	It is Steve Gooch.
	Here it is.
	Steve Gooch.
	Thank you for the prime.
	Appreciate it.
	Steve and Son.
	I'm so traumatized right now.
	All right, guys.
	Like the video and then, final reminder, guys, stay until the end and just wait till the comments become available.
	Leave a nice comment.
	Leave a nice comment for you could say something nice about the show, something nice about me, something nice about one of the guests.
	Just say, leave a nice comment.
	Or look, if you really want to, you can talk some shit.
	But I'm asking if you can say something if you're willing.
	Got Penmaker here.
	Thank you, Penmaker.
	Women will never understand men.
	We abuse each other to motivate out of love.
	You fat loser, Brian.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Damn.
	Oh, this was about me.
	Damn.
	She.
	Damn, Penmaker, brutal.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Two more just came through.
	Hold on.
	Thank you, L underscore neck tats.
	C1, Evil Daddy Issues 304.
	C2, Cornhub Feminist Thought.
	C3 identifies as a guy.
	C4 can sit on my face.
	C5, cake daughter thought.
	C6, Timu's George Floyd.
	That's a good one, bro.
	That's a good one.
	I'll pull it back up.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, I like mine.
	I wanted to read it.
	I want to hear it.
	So I'm on Salva Dead.
	Oh, I want to hear it in the British accent.
	It's coming back up the previous one for you to be able to finish it.
	C6, Timu, George Floyd.
	C7, love your gauges.
	C8, yappin' capping, gap tooth 304.
	Man, you made even my cousin laugh at me.
	What the hell?
	Thank you, Sons of Liberty.
	Brian, I lived in Florida, and we have no good Mexican food.
	Great seafood, but limited Mexican food.
	Bro, enjoy those burritos.
	Have a charity.
	Thank you, Sons of Liberty.
	Appreciate it.
	I will put this to good use.
	I will get the best Mexican burrito.
	Aren't they all Mexican?
	I don't, whatever.
	Oh, did I play it again?
	My bad.
	I will use this towards the burrito fund.
	The burrito fund.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay, I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you, you, you, and you a call to action.
	Would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight?
	No.
	Right now on the whatever podcast.
	What?
	Like what sex work?
	Like all of it?
	Like all of them?
	All of it.
	Wait, what were you willing to give up?
	You're like, well, which part?
	Which one?
	Like all of it?
	Is there one you're willing to give up?
	Do I get to take my money out of my pending?
	Will you promise me you won't peg any more people in public?
	Sons of Liberty.
	Sons of Liberty.
	Don't they want me?
	I gotta help them out.
	Encourage.
	Encourage me.
	As of tonight, no.
	Won't give it up.
	Won't give it up.
	Yes.
	Okay, well, I tried.
	Anyways, GG to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, like I said, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
	I read them.
	Positivity is nice.
	And just leaving a comment helps the algo algorithm.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We couldn't do it without you.
	A lot of our stuff gets demonetized.
	We don't really get sponsorships.
	So really, we are fan-funded.
	So thank you guys so much.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel tonight, guys.
	Really appreciate it.
	You guys were dope.
	Thank you for joining me.
	Just want to be clear.
	You know, I know we had some heated back and forth, some exchanges.
	I don't take any of it personally.
	No hard feelings with any of you.
	I'll shake all of your hands after the show.
	You know, we're having these sometimes contentious discussions and debates.
	So no hard feelings towards any of you.
	Really?
	Hopefully, no one tries to beat me up in the parking lot because I do not want to get to do it for you.
	But I do appreciate all you guys coming, even if we disagree.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	And we will see you guys next time.

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