Whatever Podcast - Feminist RAGE QUITS Before Show?! Catholic Pro-Choice Bi Leftist?! Grandma BACK!

July 7, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Feminist RAGE QUITS Before Show?! Catholic Pro-Choice Bi Leftist?! Grandma BACK! | Dating Talk #250

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	Welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	We're coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California.
	A few quick announcements.
	By the way, sorry for the delay.
	We had a couple delays, so I do apologize.
	We had, originally we were going to have 10 on the panel, but a raging feminist rage quit.
	It was definitely a rage quit.
	Definitely a rage quit.
	So what I'm going to do is on our Discord, discord.gg slash whatever, we have the footage of the rage quit.
	I didn't have time before the show to get it posted.
	We were already running late.
	I'm going to post the footage on our Discord, discord.gg slash whatever.
	If you want to see the rage quit, massive feminist rage quit.
	Okay, it was a bit mild.
	It was a mild rage quit.
	But she did come up to the studio, and then she got a little, I don't know, scared, cold feet.
	She saw the big labia matter sweater.
	She knew, what did she say, Felicity?
	Like, it wasn't her family or her vibe?
	Resonating.
	Yeah, she obviously did not have big labia energy.
	So I apologize deeply, deeply for the delay.
	I blame it all on her, though.
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	Let me do the math here.
	You super chat 200, more than half, 51% of your super chat goes to YouTube and Apple.
	So if you super chat 200 on an Apple device, we get 98.
	102 is going to YouTube and Apple.
	It's ridiculous.
	Preposterous.
	Anyways, do it streamlabs.com slash whatever.
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	And then something new that we're going to try during the show with the memberships is actually, well, because she's gone, we might not be able to do it, but there's a specific segment with the feminist that we were going to do, but might not be able to do.
	But we're going to open it up to the audience, the viewers get to make the arguments.
	So maybe we'll still do it, assuming there's a segment that would enable us to do it.
	But we'll open that up to the members first.
	Okay.
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	By the way, guys, it's been one minute.
	God, freaking Evildoer.
	I think it's been bugged since Evildoer sent in a Prime a minute ago.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	So can you guys test out if you're watching, if you have a Prime sub, test it out, help us out.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	A little Twitch Prime in the chat.
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	BLM for short, because all labia can't matter until Big Labia Matter.
	We're fighting to ban cosmetic labia plasty labia plasty?
	Procedures.
	Over 10,000 labia plasties, plasties a year in the USA.
	As someone who only dates women with large labia, this is a very personal cause for me.
	It's really the pressing issue of our time.
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	We got some BLM supporters here.
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	We post our stream schedule.
	Can you pull it up, Nick?
	Put it on behind the scenes on that.
	It's fine.
	Stream schedule, behind the scenes, hate mail.
	I post all my research and studies and a bunch of other stuff on there.
	If you're my Caucasian, you will join the Discord.
	And in this tab here on the behind the scenes tab is precisely where I'm going to be uploading the, it was caught on security camera.
	The rage quit from that feminist.
	It will be posted behind the scenes with the rage quit.
	Very severe rage quit.
	She is very disrespectful to my female staff.
	She's disrespectful to Felicity back there.
	She's disrespectful to Mary and disrespectful to all of you because she denied us an opportunity to have a very fair and unbiased conversation with her.
	So anyways, disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel.
	Oh, and for the feminist rage quit, I'll be posting that probably tomorrow.
	After the show, so it's going to be super late or tomorrow.
	Okay.
	Without further ado, after that really long-winded introduction, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from in education.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Mandy, and I'm from.
	What the fuck?
	Yo, that laptop came out of nowhere.
	That was crazy.
	Okay.
	Sorry, my bad.
	This is wrong.
	All right.
	I'm Mandy from Vancouver, Canada, and I'm a stripper in OnlyFans.
	Age?
	25.
	All right.
	And any education?
	Any college?
	No.
	No.
	Nothing?
	Did you join?
	Well, I went to high school.
	I finished that, and I took some courses for real estate and stuff, but nothing too smart.
	Do they have college in Canada?
	No.
	Yeah, do you guys still get around on like horses and stuff?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	It's like third world country, right?
	Yeah, how did you know?
	Like Vancouver, very.
	I moved from Iran, and honestly, Vancouver has more third world in it.
	When did you move from Iran?
	When I was 17.
	Oh.
	So you speak Farsi or wait.
	Is it Farsi?
	Yeah, I speak Farsi.
	Okay.
	Do they speak Arabic there too?
	No, we don't like Arabic.
	It's Farsi.
	Okay, well, I had it right the first time.
	You don't like Arabic?
	No, we don't like Arabs in Iran.
	It's very disrespectful.
	Persians and Arabs have like a very different way.
	It's very disrespectful to call me an Arab.
	Well, I was asking if you speak the language.
	No, I'm kidding.
	No, we don't.
	We kind of do in school, but not really.
	But they teach you.
	But because the Quran or whatever, but no, right, it's an Islamic country.
	We don't speak it, though.
	It's an Islamic country, though, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, we don't want it to be what it is.
	Oh, okay.
	Who's we?
	All the Iranians.
	All the Iranians.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And you said you moved to Canada when you were 17?
	Yes.
	Like, you did you legally or?
	Okay, what a boat.
	No, my mom got married to a Canadian and we moved here.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Maddie.
	I'm 23.
	What was the other?
	Education.
	I finished ninth grade, and that's it.
	I do OnlyFans.
	You didn't graduate from high school?
	No, I didn't.
	I got kicked out.
	I did get a GED.
	Wait, you got kicked out of high school?
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	You do OF.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	That's about it.
	And where are you from?
	Georgia.
	Georgia.
	Why did you get kicked out of high school?
	I was never there because I had a lot of health problems.
	So they kicked me out.
	I didn't show up ever.
	Health problems?
	I did have health problems.
	I was on oxygen and stuff.
	You had polio or what did you have?
	No, I didn't have polio.
	I had mold that grew in my lungs.
	It's called Aspergillus.
	Aspergillus.
	Aspergillus.
	You can look it up.
	I swear to God.
	You had Asperger's.
	You're autistic?
	I am autistic, but so it's like double trouble.
	It's a double homicide.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you got, so you didn't get, wait.
	I got kicked out because I was absent too long.
	I was in a hospital that wasn't in my state.
	I see.
	They had me on hospital homebound for a long time, but that only works if you're in your state.
	And then I got transferred to Florida and they couldn't do it, so they kicked me out.
	Okay, it wasn't behavioral problems.
	It was just you weren't.
	I mean, I had those too, but no.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am Josie Marcelino.
	I am 30 years old.
	I'm a television producer and a stand-up comedian.
	I have three bachelor's degrees, but I'm 30, so that doesn't get brought up much.
	Speaking of being a stand-up comedian, you can.
	I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Comedy Zone this coming Friday and Saturday, July 11th and 12th, and then I will be at New York Comedy Club on July 17th.
	And you can find all my dates on my Instagram at Josie Marcelino.
	You said you're 30, right?
	Yes, I am.
	You said you have three bachelors.
	Bachelor's degrees in what?
	Film and television, photography, and English.
	Screenwriting, really.
	All from the same university?
	Yeah.
	Which one?
	Towson.
	It was a small university in Maryland.
	Maryland.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Emily.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I am now living in Orange, California.
	I'm about to complete my degree in psychology, and currently I'm a coach who specializes in attachment theory and dating.
	Okay.
	And sorry, you said you're from where again?
	I missed that part.
	Orange, California.
	Orange, California.
	Okay.
	And you education?
	Psychology.
	You got a BA or BS?
	A BA.
	I completed this summer.
	Gotcha.
	From where?
	From Loyola.
	Loyola.
	Okay.
	Loyola Marymount, is that?
	No, the sister went to New Orleans.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Lucy.
	I am 31 years old.
	I'm from Chicago, and I am a data scientist.
	And I have my bachelor's in statistics and working on my master's degree in data science at the moment.
	And I'm also a content creator as well.
	All right.
	And you're from Chicago?
	Like, you were up there?
	Yeah, so I was born in China, but I grew up in Chicago.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And you also do OF, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Marcelina.
	I currently live in LA.
	I'm 25.
	I'm a bartender.
	I do OnlyFans model content creator.
	I am a college dropout, but I'm like working on tech courses.
	When you were in college, what were you studying and where?
	I'm from New Jersey, New York, New Jersey.
	Rockers?
	No, I went to community college, Boris County.
	Horror County community.
	I was doing business administration, then I flip-flopped to computer science.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Holly.
	I'm 62 years old.
	I'm an author.
	I'm an artist.
	I was just in my first feature film, Jackass Forever.
	No way.
	You were a jackass.
	Yeah, forever.
	When did that come out?
	These visuals are beautiful.
	Miracle money coming in.
	I've done a bunch about game shows.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I didn't know that.
	You were, what was your bit or scene in Jackass?
	Oh, it was real.
	What's the guy's name?
	Johnny Knoxville.
	Right?
	They lied to me.
	They lied to me.
	This is a punk thing, right?
	They told me that I was hosting a big, huge company party.
	And they had me go up.
	They said, Holly, can you please just direct traffic really quick to the catering guys so we can get a move on?
	So they take me up into this hillside, and it's just me, two guys working on the electrical lines.
	And then a car came up, and I told it to come around.
	And then all of a sudden, the guy that's in the electrical, in the electrical car waves to me, goes, I'll be right back.
	And I'm thinking, dude, your buddy's right there.
	What are you leaving for?
	Right.
	And so I'm standing there.
	And all of a sudden, the box that the guy's working on.
	Oh, the box that the guy's working on backs up against the pole and he screams to me, hey, can you go over to the car, the truck, and move the gears so the box will go back?
	And I'm thinking, I don't know anything about this electrical stuff.
	I'll try and help you, but I'm not really sure.
	And so I go over there and I hit the one button and it turns the cart to the side.
	And I'm going, oh my God, because he's hanging on the side.
	Well, each time I hit the button, it finally flipped over.
	Sparks were coming out of it and the dude's hanging by his foot.
	And it's just him and I on this mountainside.
	And there's nobody around.
	And I know the dude's been electrocuted.
	And I'm screaming, going.
	Sorry, okay, go ahead.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Sorry, finish your story.
	Well, you asked, and I don't know how to help him.
	He's dangling from this bucket by his ankle, flailing around.
	I know he's been electrocuted because the sparks have come out.
	And my friend passed away doing that, right?
	So I am flipping out going, this guy is dying on me.
	And this guy is dying on me.
	And finally, his friend starts walking up the path.
	I'm screaming at him, going, give me your phone, give me your phone, call emergency.
	And he's going, no.
	I'm going, loser.
	Call the ambulance.
	I don't want to let the guy know that he's been electrocuted and he's burning inside, right?
	Because I don't want to put him in panic.
	And the guy won't let me.
	And so I finally just break down and start crying because I'm going, you're going to die right here on me.
	And you're not even aware you're going to die.
	And they punked me on that.
	Can you?
	I'm going to rent that movie tonight.
	What's your.
	Do you have like an actor name or something?
	Code name?
	No.
	The movie's Jackass.
	Forever.
	Forever.
	Jackass Forever.
	IMDB credit.
	I don't know what I have because I don't see you on the IMDb credit for Caster Crew.
	Well, I know everybody in America has called me and told me that they've seen me on it.
	I don't even watch the series because it's like who has seen the film?
	Chad, who has seen the film?
	Was she Jackass Forever?
	Forever.
	In the there's a whole freaking segment that's at least six minutes long.
	Was it a scene?
	Yeah.
	Was she in it?
	I'm one of the main.
	You're one of the main characters?
	Well, I don't know how they format the movie.
	I've never seen it, but I've had other producers call me, Gohali, I saw you in it.
	I've had neighbors tell me.
	I've had people stop me at the market.
	She was.
	Okay, people are saying she was in it.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I'm serious.
	I'm not lying.
	Well, because also the other thing is there's like with all the jackass movies, there's like jackass 2.5, where it's like the stuff that didn't make the you know, it's like the extra footage.
	Yeah, I don't follow him, so I don't know.
	You know, I mean, I didn't know even who he was.
	Johnny.
	Okay, so you were in jackass.
	I met those guys a long time ago.
	I wish I would have punked him back.
	It would have been beautiful if I had a little insight now, but I was in such shock that, but you know what?
	I've had residuals for years.
	You get residuals from that?
	It's beautiful.
	It goes worldwide.
	What happens is anytime it plays, you get a check in the mail.
	It's beautiful.
	So for like 20 bucks or something?
	Are you kidding?
	You know how many teenagers watch those movies worldwide?
	People are addicted to them.
	I've found out.
	It was like miracle money.
	It was really.
	In fact, I got a check yesterday.
	For how much?
	I'm not telling you.
	It's all top secret.
	Hold up.
	I actually, you know, it's funny.
	I met Johnny Knoxville 10 years ago in Amsterdam.
	We were doing a promotion for their Jackass Presents Bad Grandpa thing.
	Why don't you pull that up, Nick?
	We'll put the audio on it.
	All right, go ahead.
	Oh, I'm Johnny Knoxville.
	Welcome to whatever.
	So he did an intro for us.
	Oh, that's young Brian.
	And they put me in.
	I'm Michael Hunt.
	You can call me Mike.
	Oh, I see what you're doing, kid.
	You go up to him and you like, excuse me, ma'am.
	I'm too old to cut the mustard, but I can still let you jar.
	All right, you can.
	I'm Johnny Knoxville.
	Welcome to.
	All right.
	So, yeah, we both met a Kaibaka thing for the gifted.
	20 memberships.
	We both met the jackass team.
	That's cool.
	Okay, education?
	No, I have.
	Sorry, I missed that part.
	I told you that I back in the ancient history, they used to hand paint billboards down along the Sunset Strip and around all the movie studios.
	And I studied with, oh, they better be nice.
	Started at Foster and Kleiser, and then I took a couple of courses up at Pasadena Arts Center.
	Okay.
	Do you have a bachelor's degree?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Eleanor.
	I'm 27 from Long Beach, California, and I am a teacher.
	All right.
	And education, I have a bachelor's in psychology.
	Is it a Bachelor of Arts or a Bachelor of Science?
	Yes, it's a BA.
	BA.
	All right.
	BA in psychology.
	And when did you, from what university?
	I graduated from Cal State Long Beach.
	Cal State Long Beach.
	Okay.
	When was that?
	I graduated in 2018, and I know the years kind of don't add up, but it's because I graduated when I was 20.
	So I got my associates when I was in high school.
	So I was able to only do two years of university.
	Makes sense.
	Makes sense.
	Can you tell me like three things you remember from your psychology education in college?
	So you mean like what I learned or just experience?
	Yeah, what you learned.
	Hmm.
	So I would say when I went to psychology, that's actually the first time I ever learned about gaslighting.
	When I was in school at the time, I never really knew what that was until I took a class about it.
	And then maybe a couple years later, I started hearing that term everywhere.
	Like everyone's talking about gaslighting.
	And I'm like, whoa, everybody understands psychology now.
	And then mostly just like the typical psychologists from like back then, like Skinner and Freud, we learned about their theories and the different things that they do.
	What I was mostly interested in though was definitely like the social psychology and kind of like the perception and sensation.
	The most the thing that I found most interesting from my sensation perception class is that so in physics, if a tree falls and hits the ground, it's gonna make a sound because that's how physics works.
	But in psychology, because no one was there to hear the sound, technically the sound was not heard.
	So in physics, if a tree falls in the forest and no one was there to hear it, it still made a sound.
	But in psychology, because no one was there to hear it and interpret the sound, then there was no sound.
	So that was a crazy fact that I learned that like kind of tripped me out a bit.
	Yeah.
	Wait, in psychology?
	I learned that in my perception sensation class.
	It's a type of class you take in psychology.
	Wait, so question.
	Is this, you mean, so right now, I'm not in China.
	Does China not exist?
	Or am I misunderstanding?
	I think you're misunderstanding.
	But what if there's a sound going in China right now?
	Well, the people in China will hear the sound.
	So because they hear the sound and it interprets into their brain, then the sound is there.
	But what if there's a squirrel that hears the tree fall?
	Well, then the squirrel hears the sound and then the squirrel's brain is interpreting what there's ants everywhere.
	Well, I'm not sure if ants really have like that power of hearing, but you know, if the ant is there.
	Let me Google this.
	Can ants hear?
	Oh, goodness.
	Yes, ants can sense vibrations and sounds.
	All right.
	Well, then if an ant is there to sense it, then in the psychology.
	But I mean, if a tree falls in the forest, I mean, let's be real, there's ants in the forest.
	Well, then the ants will hear it.
	So then.
	So I think it doesn't matter who the subject is, as long as there's a subject to hear it, then the brain will interpret the sound.
	Does that make sense?
	That's what you learned in psychology?
	That's it?
	One of the facts that stuck with me, that was like seven, eight years ago.
	So I'm happy it stuck.
	All right.
	Nice.
	And where are you from?
	You're from LA.
	I'm from Long Beach.
	Long Beach.
	All right.
	All right, guys, that's everybody's intro.
	You know, I need to do another thing here, too.
	Guys, I'm thinking about there's this cat that's been visiting me for three months.
	Three months now.
	I'm going to let the viewers decide if I adopt her.
	Yes.
	Nick, let's pull up the photos.
	I took some photos.
	Oh, there's one photo.
	She came to visit me at my house next.
	You have to have her.
	Next.
	She picked you up.
	Very next.
	Did you name her yet?
	I named her April.
	Next.
	She's yours.
	And then there's one more.
	There she is.
	All right.
	So, chat.
	Chat, you get to decide.
	Now she's going to be, I'll bring her in the studio too.
	Like, she's going to lay down the law in the studio.
	So, chat, should we, you know, the whatever cat.
	Her name's April.
	How cute.
	So I'm thinking I'm going to, you know, who knows, though?
	Maybe she belongs to somebody else.
	I don't want her to cheat.
	She chose you.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't matter.
	But maybe she's got like a family, but because I started feeding her right now.
	Then she likes you better.
	Maybe she's in an abusive family.
	She looks really young.
	She doesn't have a collar or anything on her.
	No collar.
	Take her to the depth.
	See if she's got a chip.
	Maybe there's a microchip.
	Yeah.
	Is what I'm thinking.
	The couch distribution.
	So, yeah.
	I think I might adopt her.
	Yes.
	You've already named her.
	That'd be sweet.
	You've already named her.
	She's very friendly.
	She's very nice.
	Anyways, so a little update there.
	The whatever family is growing.
	So going around the table once more.
	What is everybody's relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Relationship, whatever.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've been in?
	Go ahead.
	I've been single for two years and my longest relationship has been like five or six months.
	Five or six months.
	The one that ended two years ago, how long was that one?
	Like five and a half.
	I've only been in like four.
	And have they all been five to six months or some of them shorter?
	Yes, they all been.
	Well, I've only been in five relationships total and they all been around five or six months.
	Okay.
	Of the four.
	You said, wait, five relationships?
	Like fully, like, yeah.
	In total, five relationships.
	Four of them were like five or six months.
	Once was a little.
	Who breaks up with who?
	I break up with them.
	So all of your five relationships, you've ended all of them?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Any reason?
	Yeah, they listen to me.
	Wait, they what?
	They listen to me.
	What do you mean?
	They listen to me.
	I don't want a man to listen to me, so I leave.
	Give us an example.
	Like, they're not, like, masculine.
	They listen to me.
	I don't like that.
	Can you do, show us a double bicep real quick?
	Wait, can you see it?
	Oh, yeah.
	I just want to say I'll ignore everything that you say, if that's what it takes.
	I'll ignore everything you have to say.
	I haven't been Jack since I've been Jack.
	I haven't been in a relationship because, yeah, I just, it was, yeah.
	Since you've been jacked?
	I haven't been in a relationship.
	No.
	Not always been jacked?
	No, I've been Jack for only a year and a half.
	I started gym a year and a half ago.
	Are you on are you natty?
	No, I've been, I took Anivar before.
	Anivar?
	Yeah, I took Anivor and Clenn before.
	Nothing.
	How many cycles?
	I had two and a half cycles.
	The first time I got scared after like four to four weeks, I was like, I don't want my clit to grow.
	You know, I didn't want to.
	Oh, was it starting to?
	No, it hasn't.
	Okay, the big labium matter movement in Caucasus.
	I'm not a support.
	I'm not in support of the BLM that you have.
	Or the other one?
	Or the other one.
	Why for the first one?
	For the first one, because I like a small clit.
	I have a small clit and I like small clits.
	Oh, well, I mean, the labia isn't exactly the clitoris.
	Yeah, true.
	I don't like labias.
	Are you bi?
	No, yeah.
	I mean, I tried.
	I tried being bi before, but honestly, it's not in my natural instincts.
	It felt like something was missing, and it was male genital, I think, for me.
	So you have encountered female?
	I have, and it was something missing, and it was male genitals.
	You have a genitalia preference.
	Yeah, I like men.
	I like very masculine men.
	But you haven't dated any, it sounds like.
	I haven't, and it's really sad.
	I think it's a geographic problem because you're in Canada.
	Yeah, I definitely feel that too, because I work at a club, and every time there's like Americans, they're a lot more masculine.
	I like American men.
	Canadia.
	Canada.
	Canada is extremely.
	It's a little soy.
	It's too soy.
	Extremely.
	Very soy.
	So you basically.
	Can you give us an example though of one of these instances?
	You know what?
	Actually, here.
	I'm going to come back to that.
	So the guys listen to you.
	Yeah.
	We'll come back to that.
	Okay.
	That's good to do.
	So, but you've been single for two years?
	I've been single for two years.
	You've been celibate for two years.
	Yeah, I tried a hookup like a couple months ago, and that was the first time after two years.
	And I realized why I'm celibate.
	And I'm, yeah.
	What did you realize?
	I don't know.
	I just realized that because of my job, the men that I attract is not the men that I want.
	And I'm not willing to be in a relationship because of my job with men that I don't respect because that means I'm disrespecting myself by being with the men that I don't respect.
	And it's the consequences of my own actions.
	Kat, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	Oh, by the way, guys, our audio has been bugged.
	That's one of the other reasons we were low running behind.
	We were having some audio difficulties.
	So, like, dings from Gifted isn't going to work.
	So I'm just going to have to shout you guys out.
	And then the TTSs are going to just, they'll be pulled up at the same rate, but some of these, we're just going to have to read them.
	So you say because you're doing OnlyFans, it's difficult for you.
	Well, I just started doing OnlyFans like last month.
	Before that, I was a stripper for seven years.
	Okay.
	So you started stripping at 18 then?
	I started stripping right at 18.
	I did not give life a chance.
	And wait, when did you move to Canada?
	When I was 17.
	It wasn't something that I wanted to do, but it is what it is.
	Wait, so hold on.
	What do you mean it wasn't something you wanted to do?
	Well, when I moved to Canada, were you trafficked?
	No, I wasn't trafficked.
	I'm never a victim.
	It was my choice.
	It was my choice, but it was because of circumstances that I was in.
	But it was my choice.
	Well, we moved to Canada from Iran when I was like almost 17.
	Can you, is stripping allowed in Iran?
	No, I would get killed.
	You'd get honor, or what is it called?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	So within a month of moving from the Iranian regime where you would have been unalive for stripping, you start stripping.
	I have death drive.
	Okay, so cool.
	Yep.
	Well, yeah, the situation was basically I moved there and when I turned 18, my mom's husband kind of just vanished.
	And I don't speak English.
	At the time I was 18, I didn't really speak English.
	And I didn't really like, I wanted to go to school.
	I wanted to go to the army and I wanted to go become a police officer, but I didn't speak English.
	And I couldn't go to the army because I wasn't a citizen.
	And I wasn't going to go work at McDonald's because my mom doesn't have a job.
	She didn't speak English.
	So I decided that I went and stripped one night when I was 18.
	I didn't even look good.
	And I made $1,200.
	And I was like, I mean, it's better than being homeless.
	And it's better than going back to a shitty country that I don't support.
	So that was my situation of why.
	Any other strippers at the table?
	Strip, strip?
	I have danced before.
	Danced also?
	Okay.
	All right, cool.
	And you started OF a month ago?
	I had OF before, but I took it two years off from social media.
	Sure.
	And then I'm back again for a month now.
	And so you said doing all this, though, being involved in sex work has made it difficult for you to get a relationship.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Why is that?
	I mean, it's pretty obvious.
	You got to explain it.
	And basically, men get to see my body, and I don't think anyone that is willing to date me at this point in my life is masculine enough.
	Like, that's like, I don't know.
	I just feel like it's not really, I don't attract the right people for dating when this is what I'm doing.
	Because that alone is not what I'm looking for in a man.
	What is it that you're not looking for in a man?
	To be okay with my job.
	Like, it's a masculine.
	Hold on.
	Basically, it's my job.
	That is.
	So you have a job.
	Yeah.
	But if the guy's okay with your job, you won't date him.
	It took me a few relationships to figure that out.
	Yeah.
	But so, hold on.
	I need him to save me.
	I need men's savior.
	But so it is the case then that you need a guy who needs to be, well, you don't want a guy who's okay with your job.
	Yeah.
	But you have said job, so you obviously can't date the guys who are not okay with your job because they don't want to date you.
	Yeah, I try quitting my job and when I go out there and men are just very, like, they're not as masculine as I want them to be.
	So I'm like, okay, if I go out in a world without my job, I'm poor now.
	I don't make as much money.
	Even though I'm at a point right now, I could stop my job because I own three properties.
	They're like worth a million each.
	I can retire now, but I've been stripping for seven years.
	I never done drugs or alcohol, so I saved everything.
	So I'm at a point now.
	Hold on.
	You are on the juice.
	You've been juicing.
	Well, yeah, that's drugs.
	I mean, my liver is pretty fucking healthy.
	So I was like, you know what?
	Let's juice enough.
	It's like, yeah.
	Can we see like a try?
	Maybe a little tricep?
	I don't know.
	It's not that big right now, I think.
	Yeah, the lighting's not too big.
	The lighting's not.
	Wait, wait.
	Yeah, it's not that good.
	I've been working out for a year and a half.
	I'm not that jacked.
	I saw a photo of you at like a bodybuilding convention.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know if you were posting.
	There's this one guy.
	I forgot his name.
	Togy?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then I don't know if you met Sam Selek.
	He did.
	Did you like, are they masculine?
	Is that what you're looking for?
	I don't know them personally, so I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Was that the one-night stand, though, that you were talking about?
	No, I haven't had a one-night stand.
	Or you said there was a hookup or something.
	No, it wasn't.
	No, Didn't she say that a couple months ago there was a hookup?
	No, it wasn't.
	I'm not saying no to that.
	I'm saying no to it wasn't any one of those pictures.
	I wouldn't post my hookup picture.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	What was the original question?
	What's your relationship status?
	I'm married.
	No, you're not.
	Yes, I am.
	For the second time.
	Show me your hands?
	I don't wear my ring.
	Oh, that's convenient.
	He was on her phone background.
	I did see it.
	He was.
	Well, it could just be a boyfriend.
	That's true.
	Why don't you wear a ring?
	I just don't like it.
	Do you have a ring?
	I do.
	I own one.
	Okay.
	I own three.
	Were you married?
	Three rings?
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	You were married before, though?
	Yes.
	I got married at 18.
	Okay.
	Let's do a bit of timeline here.
	So your first marriage, how long were you together with this person?
	How long were we together in full or married?
	Together and then married.
	We were together for a month and then we got engaged after a month.
	He was in the army.
	Okay.
	And then we got married seven months later and then we were married for a year.
	It's almost two years together total.
	Yeah.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	Me.
	Why?
	He was crazy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then so that was like 18.
	It just wasn't working.
	You guys met at 18?
	And that was like 18.
	We met at 17.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	So you divorced at 19?
	20, but yeah.
	And then you got married again.
	Okay.
	When did you get married?
	At 22.
	And how long were you?
	Were you together for a long period of time before?
	No.
	How long were you together before the marriage?
	A month.
	Okay.
	He's also in the military.
	And how long have you been married?
	A year and a half.
	Okay, and then, oh, but you were only together for one month, you said before?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you actually have a ceremony or you just went to the courthouse?
	No, we did like a little wedding in my backyard with like some guys from his group in the military and my dad.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And that was it.
	Okay.
	Longest.
	So what's the longest relationship you've been?
	None of those guys.
	I dated this one guy in high school for like five years.
	You got held back?
	Wait, but hold on.
	You didn't get it.
	No, but like in high school age.
	Like I wasn't in school, but we met at high school, then we dated for a while.
	Okay.
	You were mostly just dealing with the health problems.
	Yeah, but I still had a boyfriend.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So you're currently married?
	Yes.
	Question.
	You're involved in traditional adult content.
	You do OnlyFans.
	You do boy-girl content.
	Yes.
	Girl-girl content?
	I do all of it.
	Okay.
	At what age did you start doing that?
	I started stripping at 18.
	Okay.
	And then I switched to OnlyFans when I was like 19, I think.
	19.
	Okay.
	I didn't strip for long.
	So did you start stripping midway through your first marriage?
	I started stripping like the day I turned 18.
	So you got married.
	I got married at 18.
	But you were dating him.
	But I was dating at 17.
	So like.
	When you first started dating, you were not obviously.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	But he knew I was going to.
	Was he okay with it?
	Yeah, he didn't care.
	He didn't care.
	His sister's a porn star.
	His sister's a porn star.
	Really famous.
	Holly Hendrix.
	I don't know who.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Okay.
	Cool.
	So he was cool with it, though.
	Yeah, he didn't care.
	Did he get bullied?
	Just curious, you might not remember, or maybe he didn't tell you.
	Was he embarrassed or get bullied because his sister was a porn star?
	No, it was more like all of his friends kind of just wanted to bang his sister.
	That's type of thing.
	Okay.
	Odd, but okay.
	Yeah.
	So he was fine, though, with you doing porn only?
	Yeah, he did it with me.
	Oh, he was part of your content?
	That's when you started to OF then.
	Okay.
	So were you splitting revenue with him?
	Don't even start me on this.
	So when we got divorced, I have to pay him alimony, and I'm still paying alimony to this day.
	Wait, hold on.
	But you were only married for...
	A year.
	What state were you in?
	Georgia.
	Georgia.
	How long do you have to pay him alimony for?
	Until November.
	Okay.
	So, but you got divorced in 2021?
	Or wait?
	I think so.
	How long have you been divorced from him?
	Two years?
	What year is it?
	25?
	25, yeah.
	I think we got divorced in 22.
	22.
	I don't know.
	I filed.
	I filed in 21, I think.
	So what's the math on how long you have to pay alimony?
	I don't.
	Times two, basically?
	It was just, I had to pay him a lump sum because of the amount of money I made in the year we were married.
	I had to pay him a lump sum, and then I had to pay like a specific amount every month until the court-ordered amount ended.
	All right, so you were the breadwinner in your marriage.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How much did you pay him total?
	I believe $300,000.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Well, it will be $300,000 when it's over.
	When you're done.
	Okay.
	Or maybe $250,000, somewhere in there.
	Do you want me to pull out my lawyer?
	Do you have a usually there's like a court order?
	Oh, I definitely have the court order.
	Can you send it to us?
	If I could have my phone back, yeah.
	Yeah, we can do that.
	We'll give it to you once we get once you have a free moment.
	Okay, so that was your first marriage.
	Yes.
	You're paying your ex-husband how much per month?
	$3,321 a month.
	Okay, and in total, you said it's going to be $300,000.
	How much was the lump sum that you pay them?
	$75,000.
	Paid him $75K.
	No kids, though, right?
	You don't have any kids.
	Okay.
	And then you're married again.
	Yes.
	You didn't learn your lesson the first time.
	Well, I did a prenup this time.
	You got a prenup.
	All right.
	So I did learn my lesson.
	Okay.
	So what's the prenup?
	That I keep my money.
	Okay, so in the event of a divorce.
	I keep what I come in with and what I've made.
	Even throughout the course of the divorce?
	Yes.
	You ran this by a lawyer?
	Yes.
	Because I'm.
	It varies by jurisdiction.
	It was kind of hard with like what it specifically.
	Like, I know I could be fucked eventually if it's like in the marriage.
	But it was really, I wanted to keep everything I came in with.
	Is your boyfriend in the industry?
	Kind of.
	I'm sorry, husband.
	Kind of in the industry.
	Yes.
	Like he makes content?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He was in the Air Force when we got married.
	He was in the Air Force.
	Okay.
	Was he discharged?
	Yeah, he just got out at his normal time of getting out.
	Was he making adult content while he was in the Air Force?
	Yeah, the Air Force actually subscribed to my OnlyFans and investigated us.
	And what did they find?
	Well, he didn't do anything wrong.
	Like, they had a tip-off that he was like filming with me in uniform, which he wasn't.
	We didn't film in uniform.
	But he was filming.
	But he was filming with me.
	While he was active duty.
	While he was active duty, yeah.
	But technically, that's not against the law.
	No.
	Isn't that against like the code of conduct?
	He can't make money off of it.
	He can't have a job that makes him money off of it in the military.
	But I was the one making money off of it, not him.
	He had a free account.
	I'm not an expert in like military law, but I unfortunately had to deal with them quite a lot.
	But yeah, they did a whole like thing on us.
	Let me ask the chat: is that like, is that a Nick?
	Are you able to pull it up over here?
	You know how to do it?
	Just show it to us, cover up the stream yards.
	Yo, chat, is that like if you're in the military, and obviously it maybe it differs by branch, you're not like you're supposed to conduct yourself in a certain way, right?
	Like there's codes of conduct in uniform, even if you're not in uniform, though.
	Like, for example, I think it's if you, if there's what is it like if you cheat on your spouse, yeah, you get in trouble.
	We had something like that happen too.
	We got in trouble for that, too.
	Um, so would it I'm pretty sure you can't be involved in producing adult content while you're in?
	All I can tell you is depends on the commands.
	We definitely did, and he did not end up getting He got a slap on the wrist.
	Ravon says conduct unbecoming an enlisted.
	Was he officer or enlisted?
	Well, I probably wouldn't matter, but straight to JAG.
	Rules of the world.
	We did get a JAG lawyer.
	Sadly, she is right here.
	I'm just, I don't know.
	That was against the UCMJ.
	That's just for the Marine Corps.
	That's for the Marine Corps.
	Okay.
	It is, I mean, it's frowned upon.
	Each Air Force has different rules.
	It's frowned upon for sure, but they didn't kick him out for it or anything, and they didn't tell him to stop.
	They just said, don't post in uniform.
	Trippy Main says, no, it's not.
	Jag or tough.
	I'm sure he's in this chat.
	Max says UCMJ is for all military.
	Well, he wasn't dishonorably discharged, though.
	No, he wasn't.
	He got a slap on the wrist for the whole thing, but they didn't tell me to stop filming with him.
	Okay.
	So you do traditional adult content?
	I do.
	You did it before.
	It's like there's OF, but then you're in the traditional, like the San Bernardino, right?
	Is that where they shoot the shit?
	What is San Ban and Bait?
	Where is it?
	Where do they shoot all the stuff?
	San Fernando Valley.
	Oh, San Fernando.
	Like mainstream stuff?
	SVF.
	Yeah, the mainstream.
	I've done a few, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, I saw you did a thing with Johnny Sims, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I saw on your Instagram.
	Yeah.
	I did not watch the shit.
	It's a good video.
	On her Instagram.
	It's an hour and a half long.
	You do something with Johnny Sims or something.
	Yeah, I've done traditional.
	Or I guess mainstream is the better word.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I've worked with like traditional mainstream companies as well.
	Okay.
	And your current husband, when he met you, was cool with it?
	Yeah, he actually used to like watch my videos.
	He knew me from an Alex Adams video.
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	So did he DM you?
	No.
	So how we met actually was just my best friend.
	Her husband was in the military with my husband.
	And she was like, hey, you're single.
	Hey, you're single now because we both had a breakup recently.
	And then she just kind of put us together.
	And then he was like, she showed him a picture of me.
	And he was like, oh, yeah, I jack off to that girl.
	To be honest.
	And that's when.
	And that's when the love started.
	That's when he knew that you were the one.
	He was like, no way you know that girl.
	What a pickup line, honestly.
	Right?
	It's a great American love story.
	Why get married, though?
	Like, what's the point?
	That's a really good question.
	Because, I mean...
	Why?
	Does he sleep with other women?
	No.
	But you sleep with other men?
	Not currently.
	You don't do content with other men?
	not that he's out now because well okay so we got in trouble for we got in trouble because we took a picture in a shower with two guys naked Him and another guy naked.
	My husband's straight.
	Just like.
	Okay, sure.
	So we took a picture and then they like called him in and they were like, hey, this doesn't look good, dude.
	Like, I don't care what you're doing in your free time.
	I don't care if you're gay.
	But like, this doesn't look good because this goes against the cheating policies.
	But we didn't actually do anything.
	So I had to delete the photo.
	All right.
	But he's really good at filming.
	So I was like, hey, if you want to be a, you want to learn how to be a good performer, then I'll just film with you.
	So all your content is just him.
	It's not with other guys.
	Right now.
	Okay.
	I have all my old stuff.
	And I did so much old stuff that was insane that I don't really need.
	Okay.
	All right.
	New.
	And I film with girls now, still.
	Does he, wait, is he part of that or no?
	No.
	He films it.
	It's just girl, girl.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Intriguing.
	But both of your husbands, well, I guess one of your ex-husbands now, they were both fine with it with it.
	It's hard to do.
	They didn't care.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	It's complicated.
	Sure.
	How so?
	Yeah.
	I was in a relationship and he passed away.
	So I'm not dating.
	I'm okay.
	But yeah, I'm not dating around or anything like that.
	Okay.
	How long ago did that happen?
	Sorry to hear.
	About seven months.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Have you dated since?
	No.
	Okay.
	So you don't say.
	You say you're single.
	Yeah, it's weird because it's like I'm single, but then you say you're single and you're like.
	You're not looking right now because you're.
	Definitely not.
	How long were you guys together?
	Five years.
	Five years.
	Was that your longest relationship?
	Yeah, it was my only relationship here.
	Only relationship.
	Only relationship.
	Only a guy who could a fling back prior to that right after college that was like just kind of a whirlwind thing.
	We knew each other for like a month and he proposed and then I was like, we need this is no, we're not doing that.
	But I wouldn't even consider that like a real, it was a month.
	So your only boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	You've had a few other guys, but I've dated people.
	Like I had a high school boyfriend, but it's like, I don't know that that counts.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	So, but no, no dating at all?
	Not right now.
	No.
	All right.
	Well, sorry to hear that.
	It's okay.
	In seven months.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been open to dating, and my last relationship ended about two or three months ago.
	And my longest relationship has been a year and a half.
	All right.
	Was that the one that ended two to three months ago?
	No, we were together less than a year.
	Okay.
	The most recent one who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	All right.
	And the year and a half one who broke up with who?
	I also broke up with him.
	All right.
	And okay.
	You've been single for two to three months.
	Any guys in the picture?
	No, no one of significance.
	Have you had a rebound?
	No rebounds.
	Have you been on any dates?
	I've been on a couple, more like maybe one or two with a particular individual, but that's about it.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So I have been single since 2014.
	I've only been in one relationship and it lasted three months.
	And I've been celibate now for almost three years.
	You said you were last in a relationship in 2014, or sorry, 2024?
	2014.
	Oh, 2014?
	Yes.
	So you've been single for 11 years?
	Yes.
	And was that the three-month?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You've been, and sorry, you've been celibate for how long?
	Almost three years.
	Three years.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And have there been other long strings of celibacy?
	Oh, yes, absolutely.
	Was there a string of celibacy after the end of your three-month relationship 11 years ago?
	Yes.
	There was almost five years.
	Okay, three.
	So five years, three years, any other stretches of celibacy?
	Yeah, there was a one-year stretch and a two-year stretch in there as well.
	Okay, so wait, hold on.
	That's 11 years total.
	Okay, I'm sure the math maths.
	Do you go on dates at all or not really?
	Not really.
	I do on occasion.
	I'm not on any of the apps, but sometimes when someone piques my interest, I'll go out there.
	And you're involved in sex work, correct?
	Yes.
	Stripper?
	Yeah, so I was a spicy dancer for about seven years on and off, and I do spicy content.
	The most I do is nudity, just for personal reasons.
	You've never done boy girl content?
	No, no, I don't do boy girl or girl girl, and barely solo either, if that counts.
	Okay.
	Wait, you've done girl girl?
	No, no, I haven't gone.
	Oh, no, girl, girl.
	Okay.
	It's not us, not the typical thing.
	A stripper, OF girl has been celibate for three years, but you're being honest?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm not asexual, but I'm somewhere in that spectrum where I really need a very strong emotional and intellectual connection first.
	Your three-month relationship, did you have a strong sapio sexual or whatever?
	No, it wasn't.
	That actually was what made me discover that I needed that connection.
	I see.
	Okay.
	You've never seen somebody for a longer period of time than three months?
	I have not.
	It's always before the three-month mark, something happens and it implodes.
	What do you do?
	So oftentimes it's incompatibility, and I am a bit of a people pleaser.
	So rather than nip it in the bud very early on, I will sometimes wait for them to do it so that I don't hurt their feelings.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Honest.
	And I'm trying to think if I had another question, but it just evaded me.
	So three months?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Have you had like any at any point?
	Have you ever had a roster dating multiple guys or seeing multiple guys?
	I've gone on up to, I think, two dates max with multiple people at the same time.
	Like in a day?
	No, no, no, just within a span of, let's say, several months.
	But if it ever gets to a point of either kissing or any kind of physical intimacy, I only want to be involved with one person at a time.
	Largely for hygiene reasons, but also just for emotional cleanliness.
	Okay.
	Have you ever had a party phase?
	Sort of.
	When I was in my late teens, early 20s, there were a few months where I was going out a lot, but I still don't drink and I didn't drink then either.
	And I wasn't hooking up or anything.
	I would just go out and dance and have fun with friends.
	Okay.
	Have you ever done like casual hookups or anything like that?
	Yes, in my early 20s, I had a short phase where I would have situationships or casual flings, but that was very short-lived because I catch feelings really easily.
	And I'm very much a romantic, so I would want to find love.
	So that didn't work out.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for a little over a year now.
	I've been in five relationships.
	What was the other question?
	Longest relationship?
	They all were about a year.
	All about a year?
	The one that ended a year ago was about a year?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	A little over a year ago.
	Who's broken up with who for all of these?
	So out of the last one, he broke up with me, but out of all the other ones, I was the one breaking up with them.
	I broke up with all of them.
	So four of the five you ended things.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And you said you've been doing OF.
	How long have you been doing that for?
	On and off since like 2020?
	2020?
	10?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have your boyfriends had any issues with it?
	No, they haven't.
	The reason I started was because my one ex, he was like, You should do it.
	Like, why aren't you doing it?
	But, um, yeah, like, my partner, there's one partner that like was involved in it, but not that one.
	But, um, yeah, they never really had a problem.
	I'm pretty open about it.
	Like, once, if I am talking to somebody, I'll be like, hey, I'm doing this.
	If you're not okay with it, it's okay.
	Like, but we probably won't work out.
	And it hasn't been an issue with him.
	It hasn't been.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm very open about it.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I don't know.
	Like, if we're dating, like, maybe on the first date, I'll be like, hey, I do OF.
	Like, it doesn't work out.
	It's okay.
	Like, I just feel like that's not something you should be hiding.
	You know, do you do any boy girl content?
	I have, but I just do like solo.
	So I've done boy girl and girl girl.
	Have you done boy girl with your boyfriends or is it like other creators or whatever?
	Boyfriends, and then I've done it with two friends like in the past.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Two, like, I guess they were flings, but yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you're currently single now.
	Are there any guys in the picture?
	I'm talking to one.
	What's that mean?
	I'm just like seeing one.
	Like I'm, I don't know.
	How long have you been seeing him?
	I've known him for like three months, but we've been talking for like seriously, I guess a month.
	But it's like, we haven't discussed anything, but it's like, if I like you, then like, I don't, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm like, that's, I'm going to focus like on you.
	Like, if I find out you're seeing other people, okay.
	But like for me, it's more like I want I, what I'm doing, I expect you to be doing, but I'm not upset if we haven't discussed it.
	It's fine.
	It's fresh.
	But like, I just, what's the word?
	I also just get like worried about like the health stuff.
	Like, I don't want to be going around, you know, like, but for me, it's like if I find out that the guy I'm talking to is just talking to me, even if we're not serious, like, I feel like I'd like him more because of it.
	And like, I won't be mad if he is seeing more people, but for me, it's like, I'm proud that I'm just seeing you.
	So I feel like maybe like, I don't know, that makes sense.
	But sure.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	I just got my first sugar baby offer.
	I think I sent it to you.
	And I decided because the guy only wanted to pay me $2,000 a week that I was going to put it on Facebook and see if I could get better offers.
	So I hosted a Sugar Daddy contest and it's still in process right now.
	But so, are you single?
	Well, and I'm telling you what's going down here.
	So right now I'm getting love bombed in my messenger on Facebook because Facebook's where I have my biggest following.
	And so that's where the crazies really come out.
	And they're all ultra crazies because they're in my age bracket.
	And so I'm dodging the love bombers and I've got one incredible story with one of the love bombers that you were not going to believe.
	But all in all, I'm looking for Thurston Howell III because I want to be his lovey.
	Wait, sorry, Thurston.
	Thurston Howell.
	Is he an actor?
	Actor?
	Gilligan's Island.
	Come on.
	Can you Google that?
	Step into the times.
	Thurston Howell III had his lovely that he took care of and just doted on.
	And she was his.
	Wait, this is a fictional character.
	No, he's out there somewhere.
	I will find him.
	Thurston.
	Come on, you guys.
	It was in the 60s or in the 70s.
	It was rocking.
	The skipper, Gilligan, Ginger.
	I met, what's her name?
	The other one.
	Ginger was the one that was the redhead.
	What's that?
	That's the other one.
	All right.
	You can pull it up, I guess.
	Oh, you guys got it.
	See, there he is.
	That's Thurston Howell the third.
	Look at his lovey.
	Can you click on the lifestyle?
	Portrayed by scroll down.
	I want to lip.
	No, they're probably all dead.
	Yeah.
	I want to find you want he died in 89.
	Well, he was the last actor.
	He was loaded.
	That's what I like.
	Wait, so okay.
	Are you single?
	Well, yeah.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship.
	It's a blur.
	Nothing matters.
	I'm not married.
	No.
	I've never been married.
	No.
	Longest relationship.
	It's a blur.
	It doesn't even matter because they're worth it.
	No, because you know, if the guy doesn't give you a decent diamond and does a formal proposal, none of these panty waste proposals that are going, oh my God, you were going to do it, weren't you?
	That's why you got me here to wear the hat, huh?
	Oh, I was going to.
	It was coming my way.
	I was going to propose to you.
	I've been waiting.
	I am so grateful.
	Have you ever been proposed to?
	I have, but it didn't make you cross.
	I would have been your first.
	No, no, no.
	You're going to be my first real one because these other ones are like, oh, what?
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what I said.
	Hit that 10 times.
	Oh.
	I am so fortunate that I found out before I got married because a lot of girls just want a wedding.
	They run down the aisle.
	It lasts about two weeks when they find out the dude is not good, but I can see he is really good.
	This is getting me excited.
	Look at that.
	Wait, we need to talk.
	You know what?
	He's a big tease.
	Are you giving me love you babies?
	Look at that.
	All right.
	I want lovely babies.
	It's easy to fall for love you babies.
	Okay.
	No love.
	No kids, though, right?
	No kids never marry.
	No kids.
	No.
	Weren't you dating the My Pillow?
	What is it?
	My Pillow Guy?
	I wasn't dating, but I'm telling you, I had the flat out hots for that dude.
	Yeah, but you were texting with him.
	Oh, yeah.
	But you know what?
	Mike got married a year ago, April.
	But I think personally, I was the one that lit the fire under his ass because he would keep her in the background.
	And it's like, dude, if this is your woman, make it known.
	Because any man that's legitimate lets you know that it's my wife.
	It's my girlfriend.
	It's my this.
	We don't play vague.
	Never play vague.
	And so what I did is I got him in the corner.
	You got him in the corner?
	I got him in the corner.
	Like in the cuck chair?
	No, I got him in the corner.
	He was just like watching in the corner crying.
	Four months later, he was married.
	Damn.
	You missed him.
	No, I didn't miss him.
	Did you guys have carnal knowledge?
	You know, there's things you don't talk about.
	Did you guys go to somewhere?
	What's that song?
	No.
	We're not discussing.
	He's a married man.
	He's a married man now.
	And what does it say?
	Let no one put let sleeping dogs lie.
	No, it's something like never, you know, when you make those vows, don't let anybody like do anything.
	Forsake all others.
	It's, you know, nobody mess with now that there's a union, you know?
	Yeah.
	You just don't do that.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	So are there any guys in the picture currently?
	Oh my God.
	I just told you.
	I just got an offer to be a sugar baby.
	Two grand.
	I gave you the whole text.
	It showed you the guy's face.
	I texted you the whole thing.
	I'll look at it.
	I'll look at it.
	Yeah.
	I'm telling you, I'm constantly love-bombed.
	You know, anybody knows Facebook, right?
	You get a regular Facebook, right?
	And then you get your message.
	The billion-dollar company that we know about it.
	Messenger.
	It's like, dude, get out of my messenger, okay?
	If you want to talk to me, talk on Facebook, right?
	Anybody that keeps coming over in my thing, ping, ping, ping, ping, bing, bing, bing.
	And when somebody's telling you that they love you, they haven't even met you.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry if this offends you, but I find you attractive and I'd love to have you as my sugar baby, letting you know my intentions and willing to spoil you with the sum of 2,000 weekly allowance.
	Only if you could be loyal and sincere to me would you want that?
	So this is probably a scam.
	How dare you?
	No.
	You're blowing my fantasy.
	Well, so like, I don't mean to blow your fantasy, but I get these messages on like TikTok.
	So it's a scam.
	I've got an ad right now on Facebook letting people know that I'm looking for a sugar daddy that will supply more than two grand a week.
	So are you getting responses though?
	You did an ad?
	I don't know.
	I haven't checked my Facebook.
	Okay.
	Hey.
	Wait, when you say an ad, do you mean an ad that you paid for?
	You promoted an ad?
	Okay.
	I just posted on my Twitter status.
	Can anybody top this?
	Trades are at five line forms to the right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	But what about like any genuine prospects?
	Not sugar baby.
	Okay.
	This is a okay.
	Here's one that just happened.
	This is ridiculous, right?
	I get somebody in my messenger that's like posting constantly.
	I do a lot of political stuff, so I don't mind one or two.
	But when they're starting to do it like 10, 15 times a day, it's like, get a life.
	You're trying to get my attention.
	And I just went, dude, are you married?
	Because let's just cut to the chase because married men hit on me all the time and it pisses me off.
	He says, no.
	I said, okay, cool.
	Tell me your story.
	You know, he starts talking.
	He tells me in Florida, I'm going, I don't waste my time.
	You're in Florida.
	So I'm going out with the girlfriend out to dinner and she's coming in from Florida.
	And I'm thinking, ding, ding, ding.
	She lives in Florida.
	This dude lives in Florida.
	I'm going to set her up, right?
	She sits down and I said, hey, I have this guy in my messenger.
	He's from Burbank, but he's lived in Florida for like 28 years.
	I said, I don't know what part of Florida you're at, but I'm thinking about setting you up.
	I said, I said his name, and she goes, I'm living with him.
	I go, what?
	What?
	This dude has been in my messenger the whole time.
	You never told me you were living with anybody.
	He told me he wasn't married.
	She was married to him, but got divorced and only keeps him around now because he gets disability and she needs the 600 bucks to help pay her rent.
	And he's watching her dogs while she's in California.
	But I went, out of the world.
	I mean, is that the craziest story?
	It's very crazy.
	It's like, what?
	You're going out with the very woman I'm going out to dinner with?
	You're going out to dinner.
	I'm going, and I'm going, oh my God.
	And then all of a sudden, she brings out all these dating photos.
	I said, look, I'm not interested.
	I'm not interested at all, but I don't want there to be any hard feelings.
	And I said, so I just blocked him, okay?
	And I wanted to tell you I blocked him because I just want to stifle it.
	And I kind of feel like she took umbrage because she was supposed to do this show.
	Umbridge, good word.
	With me.
	You know, she was supposed to come out and do this.
	And she's going to, I'm busy.
	And I'm just going, what?
	You begged me for this.
	Damn.
	So it's craziness.
	That's so crazy.
	It's crazy.
	That's two rage quits for this episode.
	Wow.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	It's really crazy out there.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	I am currently single.
	I've been single since April, and my longest relationship was six years.
	Is that the one that ended three months ago?
	Yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay, so that's pretty.
	So that, what, three months ago?
	June?
	April, maybe June.
	Yeah.
	Three months.
	Three, four.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was a mutual breakup.
	Yeah.
	We started dating when we were like 21.
	We're the same age.
	We're both like literally just a month apart.
	You know, when you start off dating really young, sometimes you grow up and just grow apart and be different people.
	And that's kind of what happened between us.
	And we were also kind of like at a point in our lives where it was better for us to be single individually because that way we can kind of like focus on taking care of ourselves instead of like both of us drowning together.
	So we kind of made the decision to like split apart and like just be like, yeah, you go do you.
	I'm going to go do me.
	And I like to believe that we're still civil.
	I like to believe that.
	Are you guys living together?
	No.
	Were you guys living together?
	Back then, yeah.
	But then March 31st came, turned in the keys.
	He moved out.
	I moved out.
	And now we're kind of just living our own separate lives.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So you say it was mutual.
	Yeah.
	But did somebody broach the topic first of a breakup?
	That was definitely me.
	So in February, a lot of stuff happened in our lives.
	And there was like a lot of situations where we were starting to like struggle and like kind of drown.
	And it was just simply better for us to kind of just focus on ourselves and like focus on like taking care of ourselves because something that, you know, we love each other.
	We loved each other so much to where it's like we were kind of neglecting ourselves to make the other person happy.
	And we were both doing that.
	So it kind of got really toxic in that sense to where we stopped taking care of ourselves just to please the other person.
	And, you know, we're both aware of that.
	And okay.
	And was there any infidelity on either side?
	Well, I don't think I should be answering that question just for I'm comfortable letting my business out there, but you know, like that is a whole different person.
	You know, so I don't know if they're comfortable letting their business out there.
	Did you cheat on them?
	Did you cheat on them?
	Not sexually, but there was a point in my life where I did, I did like was messaging other people and like that was more like emotional.
	And yeah, I admit it's a very shitty thing to do, but all you can really do is kind of accept and take accountability that you did it and grow from it.
	And we were still able to like have a relationship after that happened.
	Oh, how far into the relationship did that happen?
	A couple years.
	I don't really remember exactly.
	But it didn't precipitate the breakup.
	No.
	Okay, so what?
	Three years in, four years in?
	Yeah.
	And for what period of time was this going on?
	A couple months, a year?
	The texting?
	You said, yeah, the texting.
	It was only like a couple of weeks.
	Okay, was it multiple different guys, a particular guy?
	Just one person.
	Okay.
	Was it somebody you worked with?
	No.
	It was literally just some person online.
	TikTok?
	Influencer?
	No.
	Just a random dude?
	Did you know him or just a random person?
	We were like mutuals on Twitter.
	On Twitter?
	Yeah.
	And we would just flirt with each other in the DMs.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I still think that's like emotionally cheating.
	Were you guys exchanging photographs of an explicit nature?
	It was literally just like flirting.
	Like, we were giving each other attention.
	So, you know.
	Okay.
	I know a lot of people don't agree with me.
	I've definitely had people tell me, like, oh, it wasn't physical, so it doesn't count as cheating.
	Me personally, I don't really agree with that, you know?
	Like, okay.
	I think me messaging another person while I was in a relationship was like emotional cheating.
	Did he tell him?
	Did he find out by like how did this rise to the surface, I guess?
	So without revealing any personal information on his side, he just found out and we were, we pretty much like had space from each other for a couple days.
	I think it was like four days, honestly.
	And then we talked about it and we pretty much said, like, yeah, like this happened.
	We still cared each other, cared about each other a lot.
	So we agreed to like still try to make it work.
	And it did, you know, I think we still had like a really good like year or two after where we were like doing things really well for each other.
	We were like taking care of each other.
	It's just honestly, it really was the financial issues that broke us up.
	What were the financial issues?
	So there was a lot of bills that were not getting paid.
	And you guys were living together?
	Yes, at the time we were living together.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So there were a lot of bills that weren't getting paid.
	Were you working?
	Yes.
	And he wasn't?
	He was making money.
	Was it 50-50?
	You guys were splitting it, or what was the arrangement?
	So the arrangement was that it was to be 50-50, but you know, stuff happens sometimes.
	You know, sometimes they may not be able to pull their weight.
	Or there were even times when I couldn't pull my weight.
	So in a relationship, you pretty much just have to, like, if my partner can't do his part like this time, I can do more just to like accommodate for them.
	If I can't do my part, then I would expect my partner to do a little more to accommodate for me.
	That way it's still like equal in balance.
	But there were financial issues and that was a problem.
	Okay.
	So yeah, because of the financial issues, we decided like it would be better for us to split up and kind of like make ourselves better people for ourselves instead of drowning in the financial issues.
	Can you move the headphones, please?
	All right.
	Okay.
	Well, that's everybody's relationship status.
	Have you had a rebound?
	No, I've been working a lot to kind of like distract myself.
	So I don't even think I've had time for a rebound.
	Have you been on any dates?
	I did go out for ice cream with my, like, he was cute, but he was like more like my friend.
	And, you know, we decided to just stay as friends, but we got ice cream.
	He was your friend?
	Yeah.
	Like he was friends with you while you were in the relationship?
	Like, so I use friend very loosely.
	He was definitely just like an acquaintance, somebody that I know from like the art community.
	So there was like an event, and then, you know, we kind of talked a little bit.
	Then we started texting a little.
	We went out for ice cream and then, yeah, you know, we were interested in each other, but we just decided to like, hey, let's just keep it not dating.
	During the course of your relationship, had you exchanged communications with this guy you went to get ice cream with?
	Only at events, but like not outside of events.
	Okay, because you described him as a friend, right?
	Yeah, I use that term a little loosely.
	I just meant like he's somebody that I had already known.
	Like it wasn't some random person that I met at the grocery store.
	How soon after you broke up, did you go on the date for ice cream with this guy?
	I think it was like in May.
	I don't really remember.
	Actually, it definitely wasn't May because it was after I went to Universal.
	Okay, so it was like a month after you broke up.
	Okay.
	How did he know that you guys had broken up?
	Oh, well, my breakup was definitely like it spread like wildfire.
	What?
	It was public?
	It was not public.
	It's just, it was more like, you know, a lot of people found out and people whisper really, really fast.
	People were finding out about my breakup and I didn't even like really tell that many people.
	I have a big family too, so my family told a lot of people.
	Are you Filipino?
	Yes, I am Filipino.
	Okay.
	Well, this is just kind of like why I think it's bad for people to have friends of the opposite sex because half the time they're just waiting for you to be single so they can.
	Yeah, but that wasn't really a friend.
	That was just a dude that she knew in the same space.
	Well, the original way she described it.
	Yeah.
	But now it's okay.
	It's like an acquaintance or whatever.
	But that's why you got to be wary of the friends, you know?
	We're going to read a couple chats, then we're going to get into some of the show topics.
	We have Hall Long Nate.
	Were any of the jackass crew among the millionaires you've dated?
	Oh my God, bro.
	You're being extra.
	Gonna fuck shit up.
	You want to just put it back where it was?
	Wait, don't.
	You're not going to be able to get it.
	Did it fit the underground?
	It's not supposed to go on the pinky.
	All right, Felicity, procure it back, please.
	Put it back in.
	Can we get a picture of this first, please?
	Maybe after the show.
	Do a zoom.
	Yeah, okay.
	Nick, do a zoom in.
	Okay, he zoomed in.
	He got a picture.
	It's great.
	Did you date any of the jackass guys into the mic?
	Did I date the jackass guys?
	I think I was in shock.
	I mean, the dude was on, I thought he was on fire.
	And what happened is they took you away so quick after the fact because I was in shock.
	And then all of a sudden, I see all these parameters, all of these Paramount God, trucks, vans, the whole bit.
	And I'm going, oh my God, it's a Paramount.
	It's a movie.
	And they're going, yeah, you were just punked.
	I'm going, oh, my God.
	Because I didn't know what Johnny Knoxford looked like.
	And you know what?
	I still really don't know what he looks like.
	They had a show on right after that.
	But back to, no, I didn't date anybody from that, but it led to another show to do that I got to do.
	All right, we have a message here.
	TTS from Sir Gwain Bone Tower.
	Sorry, guys, the TTS is, we'll still do it at the same time rate, but it won't be read out through whatever.
	Yes, it seems university and college, for all its privileges, may in fact be less than salubrious environment for the forming of young women.
	Ladies, what decade was World War I?
	Starting with you.
	What decade?
	World War I?
	I have no fucking idea.
	Take a guess.
	Throw a guess out there.
	I don't know.
	Just name a decade.
	Just take a guess.
	I'm a woman.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I didn't go to college or high school.
	Doesn't matter.
	Throw a guess.
	World War I. Do I say like decade six?
	I don't know.
	What do you say in a decade?
	40s, 50s, 60s, 70s.
	20s.
	20s.
	Okay, what about you?
	The 1910s.
	What do you think?
	What do you think?
	Yeah, I was going to say Great Depression was the 20s, so it'd probably be around the 10s.
	I might be thinking of World War II.
	I thought 1930s.
	Okay, what about 1910s?
	Okay, what?
	1910s.
	Into the mic?
	1910s.
	Okay, what about you?
	1910s.
	All right, congratulations.
	It was 1914 to 1918.
	Well done.
	We have, I'm going to have, you know, I'm going to have one of the girls read this.
	I'm going to have you do the reads for some of these, okay?
	So Becky from Vancouver, thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	I'm reading this?
	Yeah.
	Ladies, would you date a man-child who plays video games?
	Grown men, why are you still playing video games?
	I can answer this.
	So I'm reading and you're answering.
	It's the same reason that you women wear makeup.
	It's a nice little escape from reality.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	So I think it's I know a good idea.
	I think you'd be better saying that's why women watch reality TV.
	Right?
	Like you play, men play video games for hours, which is fine.
	Nobody's spending nine hours on their makeup just zoning out.
	I do.
	Unless you're an influencer, I guess, sometimes.
	But yeah, like consuming content or like engaging in content is different, or like media is different than just doing your makeup.
	Okay, cool.
	Cool.
	Oh, we have a chat here from, oh, we have this.
	Somebody bought an item, Lance the Invisible.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, shop.whatever.com if you want to buy some merch and something about a duck.
	Something about that.
	Yeah, that's right.
	We'll do just shout-outs for those.
	We don't do the actual reads.
	It lets you add like a message, but thank you for the purchase on shop.whatever.com.
	Josh Brooks, he I'll have you read it.
	Go ahead.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Brian, bring the cat into the family.
	Chair one.
	I haven't heard anything you've said.
	Oh, look, a poll.
	Chair two, your ex is a disgrace to the service.
	MAGA MAM, you rock.
	Chair seven, young Alanis Morrison.
	Chair seven?
	Me?
	That's you.
	Me?
	Oh, you do kind of have like a young Alanis look.
	Chair seven is Holly.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say.
	I think he meant chair six.
	Definitely meant six.
	I definitely think he meant chair six there.
	Alana.
	Do you know who that is?
	Alanis Morrison?
	I forget, but Google a photo of her name just for and then, oh, we have a TTS coming in.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	I don't know why the TTS isn't working.
	Chat, would you rather get a massage from a gay man or surgery from a female doctor?
	Serious surgery.
	So basically, would you rather get a massage or die?
	What?
	My sprinkler, I'm not gonna.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	So that's a question for the chat.
	Okay, thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	Do you have a picture?
	Oh, okay.
	Along the source.
	Do young?
	Like, just type young, I guess.
	Oh, yeah, you're both sunning.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Maybe it's just the hair.
	Maybe the hair.
	A little bit.
	The hair.
	A little bit.
	I think it's just the hair.
	Wait, scroll back up.
	Scroll up.
	I've never gotten that one before.
	I see it.
	Yeah, I do too.
	I think you have to.
	Wait, do you put your eyebrows?
	Do you do that thing where you push them up?
	Yeah, I hairspray them.
	But I do have a bald spot and I just pluck it out to make sure that you're going to be able to get it.
	able to like put them like just flat like that instead of going up you put them like yeah i mean Yeah.
	I think that'll make it.
	I mean, they kind of, some grow up, and then I don't know.
	Most mine grows up with mine of their own.
	Yeah.
	And then, oh, we have another chat here from.
	Wait, no.
	Hold on.
	From.
	Where did it go?
	What the heck?
	Sorry, guys.
	Trying to find it.
	Where did it go?
	Ah, here it is.
	Okay, Becky.
	Oh, no.
	I already did.
	Wait.
	What the heck?
	Would you like a drum roll?
	Yeah, right.
	Did I miss it?
	Wait, sorry, guys.
	One sec.
	I don't want to screw somebody.
	I don't want to screw somebody who sent in a Stream Labs messages, so I just want to double check, make sure I got it.
	Yeah, take your time.
	Okay, we did Glocktavius.
	We did the Becky from Vancouver.
	We did the World War One.
	Okay, we're good.
	We're all caught up.
	All right, we're going to get into some pre-show notes.
	Oh, there's, I asked you to pull something up, Nick, the Instagram, while we start there.
	All right, so this is Lucy over here.
	He who gives good head lends to the Lord.
	So is that an actual scripture?
	Or like, is that a Bible verse or what?
	I did grow up in the church, but that's not in the Bible.
	I just thought it was really witty and ironic and funny.
	Oh.
	Do you think that it might be offensive towards Christians?
	Not the ones with a sense of humor.
	Yeah, I'm Catholic.
	You get a pass.
	That's a funny shirt.
	Yeah, that rolls.
	I am Catholic.
	I am baptized and confirmed and all that.
	Yeah, well, we'll get into that.
	So I guess would you wear a shirt like that, but it's like referencing Islam or Muhammad?
	So I would feel uncomfortable doing that just out of cultural sensitivity because I actually grew up in the Christian faith.
	And so I think it's more acceptable to critique a culture that is ingrained in you rather than attacking someone else's culture or faith that has no effect on you and that you don't.
	You're not familiar with yourself.
	Okay, so if you were, if you had grown up Muslim, then you would feel more justified to make a critique of Islam, or I think so, because then?
	Yeah, I think because then I would have a personal experience with it and it would have actually affected me.
	But would you do it though, is the question?
	Probably yeah, I mean, I love to make fun of serious matters in a way that doesn't harm anyone.
	Okay, I mean, I have some doubts, as if you, if you, would do that, though why is that?
	Well, it seems like people have gotten very comfortable being disrespectful towards Christianity, whereas even somebody who's an apostate in the Islamic faith I don't think a lot of them would feel comfortable outwardly Disrespecting the faith, just because of the potential for ramifications.
	Yeah.
	But isn't that also like in order to, when it comes to the Abrahamic religions, in order to be a Christian, you really just, all you have to do is believe in Jesus.
	And to be Jewish, yeah, there's a heritage aspect to it because it's an ethno-religion, but also like you just have to study the Torah.
	Like most Jews don't actually believe in God.
	But in order to be Muslim, you have to obey the Quran, whereas you don't have to do that for Christianity or Judaism.
	A point of clarification on your statement there when it comes to Judaism.
	Are you saying cultural Jews or are you talking about religious Jews?
	Because I assume people who are religiously Jewish probably believe in God.
	Yeah, the ones that are like actively going to temple believe in God, but there's levels and sects of Judaism.
	So you have Hasidic people and people who keep kosher and Orthodox people, and then you have people who are just very relaxed, celebrate the high holy days.
	Like there's levels to it, but all of them are Jewish.
	I'm going to apply to like Christianity too.
	Yeah.
	People who celebrate Christmas or whatever.
	Doesn't really apply.
	But in Christianity, to be a Christian, you still have to have that faith in Jesus.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I'm not really interested in a theological debate, but I'm just saying.
	But I'm saying that in order to be Muslim and to consider yourself Muslim and be part of Islam, you have to obey the Quran.
	Sure.
	And that would go against what the Quran teachings are.
	So you won't find a Muslim doing that.
	Right, but you're less.
	You won't find an ex-Muslim doing it.
	And her name is Mia Khalifa.
	Right.
	But you're not Christian anymore.
	No, I'm not.
	Right.
	She's an ex-Christian who is.
	But you said you wouldn't believe that she would do that if she was Muslim.
	And if she was Muslim, she knew.
	I meant if she was an ex-Muslim.
	Yeah.
	Mia Khalifa did.
	So maybe she would.
	Did she?
	She got banged out in the hijab, yeah.
	Okay.
	Multiple times.
	Sure.
	I guess.
	I mean, look, it's logically possible that an ex-Muslim could say things that are defamatory towards the religion or towards their prophet or whatever.
	I just think it's less likely to occur just because of the potential ramifications of doing that.
	Anyways, I feel like we're getting a lot of fun.
	Why is that?
	Why is that?
	Why is what?
	I make fun of that religion a lot in my social media and I get in a lot of trouble.
	But if I make fun of Christianity, everyone just laughs and thinks it's funny.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, on one hand, I don't think somebody should be subject to violence for speech.
	So I'm not suggesting if you blaspheme somebody's religion that they should behead you or something.
	But there is, it is kind of an interesting dynamic where there is more respect shown towards Islam.
	Even from like when I moved to Canada, from like white people, why do they respect my country's religion more than Christianity's?
	I don't know.
	It's weird.
	Demon-possessed.
	It's very weird.
	Demon-possessed.
	What the fuck?
	Were you going to say something?
	I did.
	Oh, you're okay.
	I'll read it.
	Holly Chair 7, do you prefer men who drive 3-4, 1, 2.5, or 80-ton trucks asking for a friend?
	You know, I could, that's a haul long Nate.
	He's a long-haul trucker.
	I think he's single.
	I could, you want, you want me to get you guys.
	How are you doing?
	Where have you been all my life?
	Do you see his profile picture?
	Do you think he's handsome?
	I think you're handsome.
	He's got a good little goatee going.
	Do you like the movie?
	I love it.
	All right.
	Can we get you guys set up?
	Yes.
	Nate, do you want the link or what?
	You want me to get you guys linked up?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Lewis, thank you for the soup chat.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so we're going to get back to the notes here.
	Going back to Lucy, Lucy Goosey, you're a stripper, data scientist, OF creator.
	Any plastic surgery?
	Yes, I've had a butt reduction.
	Stop the cap.
	You've had a butt reduction.
	Yes.
	You can tell if you scroll back far enough, it used to be quite large, and now it's normal looking.
	So you had a BBL and you got rid of it?
	No, I had a hip flip and then I got rid of it.
	And did the hip flip, did that, that was the butt reduction?
	Yeah, the hip flip made my lower body too wide, so I reversed it.
	You reversed the hip flip.
	Have you had a lip flip too?
	No, I have not.
	But do you have the filler then?
	No, no, I don't.
	Can you turn that way?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think that's just her makeup.
	Yeah, I overline my lips.
	But no, I.
	No, I don't think there's anything wrong with modifications.
	I just can't afford to right now.
	Have you had any other procedures?
	No.
	Anything in the face?
	No.
	No Wotox or anything either.
	Asian don't raisin.
	Lipo?
	No.
	Well, the reverse hip flip was the lipo, the butt reduction.
	You've not had anything in the stomach?
	No.
	I mean, you can see the rolls if you zoom in.
	Would rather you not.
	He's saying your body looks unbelievably good.
	Aw, thank you.
	Which it does.
	Thank you.
	She looks great.
	What are you talking about?
	Please don't put words in my mouth.
	Now I'm like backed into a corner where it sounds like I just insulted her, but.
	Cause I mean, I, I, when I saw that shirt on your Instagram, I looked at the rest of your Instagram, you don't have, come on.
	You've had some.
	I mean, I've invested thousands in personal training.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, if you say so.
	Anybody, anyone else here have any plastic surgery or anything like that?
	I had a breastlift.
	I lost 70 pounds and I picked him back up.
	There you go.
	What about you?
	Queen.
	I had tits and lips.
	Tits, Tits, Lips.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Continuing on with your notes, Lucy, you said you dated the famous dating coach's brother.
	Who's that?
	Oh, gosh.
	I don't want to dox anyone.
	But there was, oh, I'm surprised you remembered.
	There was a British dating coach, and his brother lives in my neighborhood, and we went out.
	Okay.
	You said you dated a man in his 40s who ghosted you overnight and wouldn't even return your stuff.
	Yes, that happened as well.
	Another British man, different British man, a few years ago, I was seeing him for almost three months, and then overnight he just dropped off the face of the earth.
	And you didn't get your stuff back?
	I didn't.
	Were you guys living together?
	No, no.
	I was just over there a few nights a week, so I had some things there that I wasn't able to get back.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, you said you've been single for how long?
	I've been celibate for three years.
	And then this dating situation happened about two years ago.
	In your pre-show notes that you provided to us, you said that you were currently dating a man eight years younger than you.
	Oh, yes, we went out on three dates, but that is now over.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Uh, you wanted to talk?
	Actually, we're gonna come back to some of this stuff, but uh you play five instruments.
	Oh, yeah, so don't you DM me about that?
	Yeah, I asked if you could bring a cello, but maybe it's too much of an ask.
	Uh, you're a high school valedictorian and then turned Vixen, you too, also you valedictorian.
	Uh-huh.
	And if he's actually giving her her claps, I was just giving her her claps.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Yeah, all right, and let's see, we'll get into some of your other notes a little bit later.
	We're gonna go to Maddie.
	Hi, yo.
	Okay, so have you ever slept with a platoon?
	A whole platoon?
	Oh, oh, no, but I've been like, I've tried.
	You tried to do it, but it didn't work.
	Okay.
	I just slept with a lot of people in the military.
	You said you've disagreed with the show host quite a bit on what I don't even remember, to be honest with you.
	I don't even remember what I was talking about.
	I'm going to keep it so a buck with you.
	Just anything?
	You said you disagree with yourself?
	I just, I mean, I disagree with your points on like OnlyFans girls, like, not being able to have meaningful relationships or like having families.
	Pull that up.
	Like, I've heard you say things about them not like having families and relationships, and I completely disagree with that.
	Oh, well, I don't think I've ever made the claim that it's an impossibility or just that it doesn't happen.
	Yeah.
	I think it makes dating more difficult.
	It does.
	That's my position.
	Okay, well then we're besties then.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you're married.
	You've been married more times than I have.
	Well, that could, I guess that could be a negative on it, too.
	That could prove your point, too.
	That's just military dating.
	You said that Steven Crowder did a whole podcast about you.
	He did.
	And your dad.
	He did.
	We have some videos that we're going to pull up.
	The awful.
	And what is the bubble brats thing?
	So that's what I used to go by.
	Okay.
	That was like my alter ego.
	No, it was like my first username for a long time.
	And then I had to stop using it because it got like shadow banned.
	Gotcha.
	And like too many people took my identity.
	Or like they were pretending.
	Somebody made a fake account of me and did some really bad stuff.
	And then I just decided to move my name away from the name and use a real name.
	Sure.
	We're going to get into that really quick, but Nick, can you pull up the thing I sent?
	So earlier in the conversation, you're saying you're, oh, F11.
	You got to get this.
	Wait.
	Oh, my.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was wrong.
	It was $170,000.
	You're out of F-11 in StreamYard.
	So you got to get an F.
	Okay, let's bring it back over.
	Okay.
	So the defendant shall have from the plaintiff as a lump sum property settlement the sum of $170,000 with $50,000 to be paid within 10 days of the date of this order and the remainder to be paid over a term of 36 months at a rate of $3,334 per month.
	And then I don't know if any of this other each party shall retain his or her property, blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	So was it a contentious divorce?
	I don't know what the contentious was.
	Was it, were you guys fighting?
	A little?
	Was he like, you owe me this?
	Yes, he was very sassy.
	Okay.
	So you're paying him.
	Pull it back up really quick.
	$170,000.
	My goodness.
	For one year of marriage where he did nothing.
	One year of marriage.
	Yes.
	So, this is what happens to dudes all the time.
	But it's happening to me.
	But it's happening to me.
	Wow, the role reversal here.
	I hate it.
	Damn, rip.
	Well, you must be doing pretty well then if you're paying him that much in alimony, I suppose, right?
	I suppose.
	Do you make seven figures a year?
	Yes.
	Okay, cool.
	We also have some TikToks from you.
	I think I pulled those up.
	Find a TikTok.
	Oh, Nick, to go full screen on TikTok, you have to do the three dots in the top.
	Yeah, make some really bad TikTok.
	Yeah, yeah, you're good.
	Take your time.
	And while we're doing that, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	El Brand no, thank for the.
	That's me.
	Nope, wrong one.
	Oh, they're going to call you out today.
	That's fine.
	That's not even a bad one.
	You're coming up next.
	I mean, it's like, I don't know.
	Kai Baca, thank you for the gifted sub and thank you for the I think you sent 20 earlier and Moki, thank you for the the prime there.
	While we're getting that pulled up, going back to you, you said that it hasn't worked out with any of the men because they listen to you.
	Yeah.
	Explain that.
	I don't know.
	They just listen to me.
	They take.
	I just feel like by me doing what I'm doing, the guys that are attracted to me are not the guys that I want.
	And they listen to me.
	They're not very masculine.
	And do you want a guy to disregard all things?
	I think I fully accept the consequences of my decisions that this is like what I have dating, like what I have for dating.
	Like the men that I want, what I wanted to date is like someone that is like extremely masculine, wants a girl that is like not like me.
	So obviously I'm not like matching that.
	You know what I mean?
	Like my like men that I like see that I'm like, this is like a man that I want that has this kind of like thought process would be someone like Andrew Tate.
	And that's like not someone that would want me.
	How do you know that?
	I don't know.
	I just feel like in most situations.
	Have you slid into his DM?
	No, I haven't.
	I don't even know if you're in a dialogue.
	Get her phone.
	We're going to have her slide into.
	Oh, wait, but he's banned on Instagram.
	Yeah.
	Do you have Twitter?
	No, I don't have anything.
	You don't have Twitter?
	Just Instagram.
	I'm going to DM him right now for you.
	Yep.
	Ask him.
	Be like.
	Yeah, that's like literally.
	My thoughts maker today.
	I'm actually going to DM him.
	I watched your show, and one of your co-hosts, he, I don't know his name.
	He's like an older dude.
	Andrew Tate.
	Wait, hold on.
	By the end of the night, everybody's going to be taking him.
	The laugh making podcast.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sending Andrew.
	What about Tristan Tate?
	Hold on.
	Anyone who's going to be aware of that.
	I'm going to do a voice memo.
	Wait, hold on.
	Primal.
	Wait, wait, be quiet.
	I will define primal.
	I will define primal.
	Hold on, be quiet for a sec.
	Hey, what's up, Andrew?
	I'm live right now on the podcast.
	And I have a woman on the show who is interested in you.
	She's very muscular, though.
	So I don't like that.
	I agree, good kids.
	But she's interested.
	Let me know if you're down for a date.
	Okay, I don't know, whatever.
	All right.
	Girl, just start dating Dominican guys from New York.
	You'll be happy.
	No, I'm not interested in Dominicans guys.
	But yeah, and I watched your show with your co-host and the way you guys were talking.
	I was like, okay, that's kind of like the same kind of like thought process.
	So anyone that is primal and believes in those things.
	So you want to date Andrew Wilson?
	Not like date him, but like those thought process.
	That thought process usually is not attracted to me, even though that's my exact thought process.
	But they're not interested in me because of the decisions that I made.
	But you know what I mean?
	Which is understandable.
	I get it.
	It's a consequence of my own actions.
	But why is that?
	Why did I have the power or like the to make this decisions?
	You know, I feel like I shouldn't have been able to.
	Wait, you feel like you shouldn't have been able to.
	Yeah, I think I.
	So you think there should be laws that prevent, prevent, or control control.
	Yeah, or at least not as open that it is now.
	Because when I started.
	You should go back to Iran.
	You were good.
	Yeah, but it's too much there.
	Too much.
	It's too much there.
	It's like a happy meeting.
	want to be somewhere in the middle between not in the middle but like honestly not gonna lie Before I moved here, I really was against that kind of life.
	And it's only been the past little bit that I realized that's not what I want.
	I used to think everything I'm doing is extremely empowering and great till recently.
	Wait, so I need to get up for just a moment, then we're going to get into some of the reacts for you.
	But you said in your messages to us that hold on, I can pull it up.
	That you wanted to talk about how negative and retarded sex work stripping OnlyFans is.
	You say this shit sucks.
	It does.
	There's quite a few other women here at the table who are involved in that career.
	I'm going to step away for a bit.
	I'll let you guys have a little convo on that.
	Okay, enjoy it.
	It's spicy.
	Okay.
	I mean, do you like it?
	Do you really enjoy it?
	So I will say, as with any job, I don't like every aspect, but I think for women, because we've been sexualized and exploited and subjugated for so long, that at least in this one avenue, we can monetize it.
	And obviously, it's not perfect.
	We're still subject to a lot of injustice and unfair treatment.
	But at the very least, you get some autonomy because you have some control over the way your image is distributed and how you choose to profit off your body or your sexuality.
	Okay.
	How about you?
	Do you like it?
	It's hit or miss, but I feel like with any job, like she said, there's some aspects you don't like, but some like you do like.
	I also just like that we're our own boss and you're more good, you're in more control.
	So you get to decide more so, like and based on how you handle it.
	But when you're doing it, when you're actually doing it, when you're recording yourself doing these things, if you really think about it deeply in your female natural instincts, do you enjoy it?
	I feel like there's just like it's so like there's a variety to it.
	So some yes and some no.
	Yeah.
	I love it.
	Okay.
	Even when I'm doing it, I love it.
	Even when you're doing it, you love it?
	I didn't love stripping, but I do love OnlyFans now.
	So for the two ladies who enjoy it, what do you think is the most fulfilling part of it for you?
	Like either one of you.
	I just like, I don't know if it's necessarily fulfilling, but I like being my boss.
	I like posting.
	I like the content I post.
	I like putting effort into what I make.
	I try to make videos that I'm really proud of.
	Are you an exhibitionist, you would say?
	Maybe, not really.
	Okay.
	Not naturally.
	I just like, I like creating content that I'm proud of, even if it's sexual content.
	Yeah, like I'm very much myself on all my platforms, and I also just feel like it's made me more confident.
	And I kind of struggle with anxiety and all that shit.
	But I don't know, it's just made me more open-minded.
	I just think I'm mentally a healthier individual because we've gotten so much backlash and just we get a lot of hate.
	And I don't know, like we're all good people, but people try to put their own insecurities on us.
	But at the end of the day, it's like we're not harming you or doing our job.
	Why does it matter what other people do?
	Yeah.
	So I have a totally open question for you guys.
	I'm genuinely curious about your thoughts on this.
	So how much have you guys looked into the impacts of corn on men and how do you think OnlyFans relates to that?
	And again, open question.
	I think anything that you do too much of can have a bad impact on you.
	And I don't think it's our base to limit what people can and can't do.
	So like in America, we can say whatever we want.
	We can drink energy drinks.
	We can smoke cigarettes.
	Like everything you do has consequences.
	And I think if we weren't doing this, men would be finding it elsewhere.
	I think when you limit people from being able to do what they want and watch what they want, they're going to find it in a more harmful way.
	It is weird that it's the only addictive thing in our society where we demonize the person who like creates it.
	Yeah, like we're not talking, we're not going to cigarette companies and being like, do you see people are dying?
	Yeah.
	We're taking money from the cigarette companies and then letting them like push vapes in schools and shit.
	Yeah, I mean, there's just, there's so many things that impact men negatively.
	And I think especially with OnlyFans, like it's different than if you're just watching like mainstream corn.
	Like, because they do do some things that I think could be damaging.
	But if you're watching somebody who's making ethical corn that they're consenting to, it's not, you know, like, you know, how unethical the business can be.
	You're not doing as bad as what somebody could be watching.
	I also say, I feel like women get like a lot of hate for OF.
	And then I have a lot of guy friends that do it.
	But for them, it's like, hell yeah, brother, get the bag.
	Like, their guy friends just cheer them on.
	They're like, yeah, get the money.
	you do you but for us it's like as horrible if not worse What?
	I think that's as horrible, if not worse.
	Like men doing it.
	And it's just sad.
	Yeah.
	I'm just curious, if you don't, if you are against sex work, then why do you do it?
	Because it was so.
	Well, I did it when I was 18.
	I didn't have enough thought on my own to like think it's a bad thing.
	And then now at this point, I'm like, I mean, I'd done it for so long.
	Everyone knows.
	I think I formed a personality on this.
	And I think at this point, I'm just cooked.
	So I just prefer, I just prefer at least making the money.
	But, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, it's like, I would, if I could go back and just like have a better role model of never getting into it, yeah, I would 100% do that.
	But at this point, I'm cooked.
	So why not?
	You're just cooked.
	You're not cooked.
	Truly, if you don't like, I'm not going to sit here and be like, you shouldn't do it and it's awful.
	And like, no, if you liked it, I would be like, yeah, keep going.
	But if you genuinely don't like it, there are ways in your life that you can get away from it and just kind of start new, especially if you're not that heavily on social media.
	Yeah.
	Like, I think, yeah, you don't see yourself.
	But it's not like I'm cooked.
	It's because when I go out there and when I'm like, when I don't want to do it anymore, even the men is like kind of ruined.
	I think both genders are just getting ruined.
	Everyone's just very far away from their natural instincts.
	So at this point, I'm like, I'd rather just make money because men are not even really as masculine as I used to be.
	I think you're just in the wrong place.
	True, like geographically, I think maybe Canada.
	I've been to Canada.
	Yeah, I think that's it.
	Yeah, I don't think you're gonna find your man in Canada.
	Yeah, that's maybe that is it, but like, yeah, they just go to go to Boston, baby.
	Go to New York, go to a Northeast, like mid-Atlantic sit, they're gonna love you, and they're like the fucking blue-collar workers that are gonna be like, This is my lady, and I don't give a shit what she did, but if you touch her or look at her, I will kill you.
	Or, sorry, on a live view, but like that's but yeah, like seriously, like go to a place where there's blue-collar dudes, they'll get past what's out there, and then have a nice time with them, they won't let you do anything.
	I don't even have a problem with people not really accepting me.
	I actually have a lot of people that are accepting what I do, but I just don't like, I don't know, I just don't think it I just don't really like to and I think I'm just cooked at this point.
	I didn't say that, no.
	Did your parents not encourage you to go to school?
	Yeah, I moved here with my mom, so she didn't, no.
	Does she know that you do OnlyFans?
	Yes, okay, what does she think?
	She thinks cool.
	Can I respond to some of these things that I see popping up?
	Because that says we met.
	No, they're $10 chat.
	Okay, all right, never mind.
	All right, and I don't think anything wrong with that, it's just their opinion.
	I have never mind, I won't say it, it's fine.
	But, um, so your mom is okay with it?
	Yeah, did she, like, what was her reaction when you first told her?
	Did you tell her when you were 18 when you first started it?
	She didn't care.
	But you came from Iran, right?
	Are people there usually more conservative?
	Um, not really, no.
	Iran was not like a Muslim country till like 40-50 years ago.
	So, a lot of the families are not actually Muslim or conservative.
	A lot of them are just forced to follow a rule that they don't really like.
	None of my friends or like none of my family, like, no one's really like Muslim.
	It's just something that is like forced upon them.
	So, like, no one really actually believes.
	And that's why, like, even now, when there's a war, a lot of them are like, as long as the whole thing changes, you know, yeah, I don't know anything about that.
	What did your mom do to support herself?
	Um, she has a like she had a normal job.
	What's her normal job?
	Normal job.
	It's a regular job at the mall.
	Yeah, just oh, because you said that you moved to Canada because she was following a man, yeah, and then the man vanished.
	I don't know, kind of made me sad for your mom.
	She's fine, she's doing fine.
	Yeah, well, made it fine.
	Good.
	You know, a house and a car.
	She's fine.
	Oh, good.
	Good.
	Holly, have you ever done sex work?
	Well, I'm thinking about it now.
	I was in a big box more than sugar baby money, huh?
	Yeah.
	Sugar baby is kind of sex work.
	It is.
	I'm teasing sugar baby in my dreams.
	You don't think he can do it?
	Oh, yeah, well, that's why I posted.
	I said, you know, let's do sign-ups, boys.
	Oh, my God.
	So, did you respond to that message where he was like, I'll give you a $2,000 weekly allowance?
	No, I took it and I sent it to Brian.
	And I said, You want to know what I'm doing right now?
	Check this out.
	And then I put it on Facebook to see if I could drum up any biz.
	My friends all laughed.
	God, they had such a good time.
	It's probably still spinning on Facebook with everybody laughing.
	Have you had higher offers?
	I haven't looked at my Facebook to see.
	I mean, like, ever.
	Well, that was my first offer, darn it.
	And it took me 62 to get it.
	God bless.
	Why didn't you take him up on that?
	Well, because I think it's a sea of players out there.
	There's a lot of love bombers.
	I don't really think they're true.
	And I mean, that was sweet for him to say that and I appreciate it, but really, $2,000 a week is kind of cheap, and I don't really like that.
	So it was kind of like a little insult.
	I get it.
	I'm older, you know, but whatever.
	I don't think sugar babies and sugar daddy relationships are usually for love.
	I think it's strictly transactional.
	Yeah, and I didn't get it because I didn't get any contract with it.
	I didn't see any cash.
	What's up with that?
	It's a scam.
	That's why.
	So to pivot, I have a question for all the ladies here.
	If you want to continue talking about this, we totally can.
	I really would like to hear your guys' thoughts on the male loneliness epidemic.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot of, there's a, I, well, I know there's a lot of guys that are lonely.
	And man, Facebook is covered with it.
	And if they could just dial it back a little bit, you know, I mean, it's like, look, can we have a conversation here?
	Don't do the love bombing, okay?
	Because it's a major red flag.
	You know, we don't trust you.
	You know, but if you could be civil and normal, we could talk and maybe something could happen, you know?
	What does that mean, the male loneliness epidemic?
	So I haven't researched too far into it, but from what I've heard, some of the statistics behind it is that men now more than ever are more depressed, more feeling isolated, feeling disconnected from partners.
	And there's a lot of different theories on why this is happening.
	One of the ones that I think might be true is that right now the meaning of relationships is shifting for men and women.
	Like meaning that now with the female empowerment movement, women are outperforming at work, women are outperforming at home.
	And yes, there's a lot of burnout and exhaustion with that.
	But also, like, you know, we're coming from a different place now where women are not entirely reliant on men.
	Like, you know, we can have our own bank accounts, we can have our own jobs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	And so now women don't necessarily, quote unquote, need a man in order to be independent or to have a life or to have a family.
	So now I think a lot of men are confused about what is my role.
	And with very loud third wave feminism, where it's like men suck everybody to just all the men, like, you know, there's not worth it, anybody out there, all that.
	It's sending a lot of mixed messages about, okay, I can't say the word silvery, silvery, silvery.
	Yeah, and so for that, like, you know, what women actually want because it feels like the men can't win in any direction right now.
	But we're also like shifting out of more quote-unquote patriarchy views and now women get to choose from a place of desire.
	And men also get to up-level some of their own emotional skills that may not have been provided in the past.
	So that's the synopsis of it.
	What are your guys thought?
	I don't think so.
	I don't.
	Do you want to talk first?
	Go ahead.
	Doesn't matter.
	Okay.
	I think that we took him, we took like their natural needs and roles, but it's like in nature away from them.
	So now they're just like lost.
	And then the way now we are, like woman empowerment and all that.
	By doing that, we think we're in power, but we're not really in power.
	I mean, you have a normal-ish job, but like we are not empowered.
	What we think we are.
	So now instead of like being with one, we like listen to like 1,000 and we think we're like empowered, but we're not.
	And we just took their nature away from them and now we're using them.
	And now they're just lonely and they're like, they can't do what they're meant to do in nature.
	That is like in their literal natural instincts.
	They're not able to do it.
	Why?
	Why aren't they able to do it?
	Because they're meant to provide and protect and take care of you.
	So then why not do that?
	Because we don't even let them.
	Like, as soon as one of them comes near us, we're like this and that.
	And then also like there is like a need in human relationships.
	And with men and women, there is like there used to be a need of like men doing that.
	And now women think they're all doing it by their own.
	I was going to say, I agree with you, but I feel like a lot of it is just like emotional intelligence.
	Like I still want a man that can provide.
	And like, I believe we all have like our different responsibilities.
	Like we're yin and yang.
	But I just, like, my past relationships are just guys I've tried to date.
	They just like, I don't, what's the word?
	They just have like really rash opinions or very like one-sided.
	Like they stick to some stuff.
	Or I've noticed even with like my guy friends, when they talk about like trying to date women, like me as just their friend, I'll tell them like, hey, like you're a little rude or you acted this way or this way.
	Like they're not going to listen to me.
	But I've noticed like they'll listen to their guy friends and then do better.
	But oftentimes that's like not because we kind of became against each other.
	So it's been very hard for men and women to agree with each other.
	And we're at a point that we're in a war at every point.
	It's like no competition.
	Yeah, I think there is like underlying reasons why the society is the way it is.
	I did date somebody like that too.
	It was always like, I don't know, oh, like you have the ability to like do this, but like I can.
	So you'd like kind of made it this way by like I think feminism had like a big part of that.
	Yeah.
	Why it's the way it is.
	Well, yeah, but I think that's.
	Hold on just a sec.
	Dayvon Jackson weighing in with the message, y'all just heard a lady say that $2,000 a week for existing was cheap and now we're acting confused as to why men are alone.
	Selling butt is an empowerment.
	And yes, we demonize drug dealers too.
	Thank you, Davon Jackson, coming in there with the.
	Yeah, but we don't demonize drug dealers as we do porn stars.
	We demonize addicts way.
	It was a whole thing you missed.
	But we demonize when it comes to drugs, we demonize the addicts way more than we demonize the drug dealers.
	We send the drug dealers to jail, but you don't look at them like you see a drug addict and you're like, well, why the fuck did he make that choice?
	And I have a food addiction.
	Again, I lost 70 pounds.
	The whole thing is nobody's going to blame the food manufacturer for that.
	That's me.
	That's my choice.
	They demonize the buyers, not the sellers.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, no, no.
	Demonize the person that's, you know, like, if you're going to do it for everybody, if you're just going to do it for porn, you got to do it for everybody.
	Wait, I don't think drug dealers have some sterling reputation.
	They don't, but drug addicts are demonized way more than drug dealers.
	Cigarette company.
	If you own a liquor company or a cigarette company, I'll stick with the legal ones, or even a marijuana company in places that it's legal.
	People are not going to look at you like you're the scrounge of the earth.
	But if you're an alcoholic, then you're a deadbeat loser and you have all these problems.
	But the alcohol company one, I'll give to you.
	I don't think there's really demonization towards like alcohol companies for selling alcohol.
	There's like Budweiser got in trouble a couple months ago for giving a sponsorship to Dylan Mulvaney.
	That's another separate, though.
	But cigarette companies are absolutely massively demonized.
	The ones that make vapes?
	Philip Morris, Marlborough.
	They're absolutely, the cigarette companies are demonized and they're legislated against.
	Yeah, they're legislated against after a lot of fighting, but they still are allowed to sell.
	And nobody says, like, well, you shouldn't be allowed to buy cigarettes.
	You shouldn't, like, nobody's flaming the CEO of Marlboro and being like, you shouldn't exist and you're a terrible person.
	Nobody's protesting that guy.
	And vaping and Zins and everything else is so prevalent now.
	Nobody really bats an eye at that.
	I do think there is still quite a bit of stigma associated with being involved in the tobacco industry.
	Like, I do think it's the case.
	If you're, maybe in a romantic context, I think some people might have some hesitations dating like somebody like a VP or an executive for a tobacco company.
	I don't.
	I imagine they make a ton of money.
	I don't think they have a lot of people.
	I think some people would have qualms.
	Maybe.
	Being friends with or dating somebody who's a VP or executive at a tobacco.
	But there are no dating shows or podcasts online that dedicate six hours of content as to why you shouldn't date the VP for Marlboro or American Spirits.
	And there are for OnlyFans.
	That's a total straw man.
	We don't spend six hours.
	I didn't even say it was you.
	Oh, okay.
	Which other podcast then?
	I don't watch them.
	I don't watch them.
	Okay, so you're talking about this podcast.
	Yeah, we honestly, while it is a topic of conversation coming up here when it comes to women's involvement in OnlyFans and sex work, I actually find the conversation kind of dull and boring and uninteresting.
	And my audience can even back this up.
	I frequently don't want to engage in the porn bad conversation because it's boring.
	Fair enough.
	But other podcasts do.
	You have Fresh and Fit and then whatever Andrew Tates does.
	That's not their focus.
	But I see them on TikTok all the time.
	I see them on YouTube.
	Like they are, it's a clippable thing to get into an OnlyFan girl's face and be like, no one will ever love you, which is bullshit.
	But that's like a thing.
	Yeah, that's a straw man, though.
	I don't think people are saying that.
	We have people in the chats that are sending money just to say like men don't like 304s.
	Now you're shifting the goalpost.
	First it was people that host podcasts.
	Now it's just like anonymous commentators.
	Of course people on the internet, you've been on the internet.
	I'm sure you know that people say mean things on the internet.
	So we're shifting the goalposts here a little bit.
	When it comes to these podcasts, I mean, I haven't really heard rhetoric like that.
	I think it is the case that people say it makes it way more difficult to date.
	It makes it way more difficult to find a fulfilling relationship.
	Which is fine.
	Involved in that.
	Yeah.
	But my point was that earlier when it came up, we were talking about the fact that it is the only porn or corn, sorry, anything that's like adult content is the only addictive substance that we really heavily demonize the creator of it and not the user in our society.
	Again, we don't demonize the alcohol makers.
	This is just totally untrue.
	Women refuse frequently to date men who are like addicted to adult content.
	Like it's a strong stated preference.
	And there's a social stigma towards men who watch adult content.
	And I'm actually kind of in favor of that.
	I don't think men should be watching this kind of content.
	I think it's detrimental and damaging to relationships.
	The man should not be watching adult content.
	Even outside of a relationship, I don't think he should be watching it.
	But there's absolutely social stigma towards the user.
	I have literally never encountered that.
	You've never heard a girl say, I don't want to date a guy who watches porn.
	No.
	We're just going to say whatever.
	To be fair, that is a standard in my relationships is that.
	Which is fine.
	But I've never, this is my first time encountering it.
	You've never heard a girl say, I have a strong preference for a guy who doesn't watch this kind of stuff.
	I mean, I suppose my grandma probably.
	If he's addicted to it, then I would have a problem with that if it's like consuming his everyday life.
	But if he just watches it, he probably has, let's say, he watches it two times a week.
	Oh, I don't think that's true.
	Just while he is, you know.
	That's fine.
	But it is reducing the frequency in which you guys are having sex.
	It hasn't in the past.
	How would you know?
	I can't imagine it being more frequent.
	Okay, I mean, you could be dealing with like a guy who has like very, very, very high sex drive where he can like masturbate multiple times a week and then fuck you multiple times a day.
	But I feel like most guys are not going to be able to like masturbate and have the same level of sexual frequency.
	No, first of all, everybody should masturbate.
	You should have time by yourself.
	What do you mean?
	Nah, masturbation is healthy.
	It's like you should have some risk of prostate cancer.
	And even if you just get your needs fulfilled by your partner.
	Okay, but like masturbation does have health benefits.
	Yeah, if you're single, sure.
	Okay.
	But maybe your wife isn't fucking you every day.
	You divorce her and you find somebody?
	Every day.
	Oh, every day.
	I thought you said if she just wasn't.
	No, no.
	Like as a man, I've read, and I could be wrong on numbers, but you should ejaculate like 28 times a month for optimal health.
	Send me the study on this.
	I'm going to just, I'm going to field this to the ladies because I can't speak for men on this one.
	There is, when it comes to sex, it shouldn't be this way, but when it comes to sex, when you're with your partner, even if you've been with them forever, there is still a little bit of a performative element to it where you want to look good and you want to make sure that you're taking care of when you're masturbating.
	You just have to worry about yourself.
	And it doesn't matter what face you make or anything like, just that's, you should have alone time.
	No, you got to save that shit for your partner.
	And it's a lot of fun.
	Save the ugly faces and the weird positions.
	No.
	What kind of weird shit are you doing?
	I'm just saying.
	Don't worry about what your face is doing when you're doing that.
	When you're doing that, are you watching adult content while you're doing it?
	Depends.
	That's damaging to your relationship.
	I would disagree with that.
	Okay, sure.
	I mean, again, he's dead.
	So I don't think it can get much more damaging.
	That's the most important thing.
	That's why it happens, actually.
	I wish it was a porn-related accident.
	That would be funny.
	Incident.
	We have some chats coming through here.
	We have Pasty George.
	The reason.
	Actually, I'm going to have you read them out.
	I'm the verbalizer still.
	Yes, you are the.
	I'm the show verbalizer?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	The reason why men went, the reason why women are showing higher numbers in both academia and the workplace is because men are no longer pushing themselves.
	When there's no women, children, or family, what's the point?
	That's fair.
	Push yourself to get a woman and child and family.
	He follows it up with.
	Hearing women condoning and reinforcing their own delusions and degeneracy among themselves in real time is hilarious.
	LMFAO.
	I'm so glad you're enjoying the show.
	He's loving it.
	It's hilarious that you spent $100 for us to talk to you.
	Uh-oh, don't get on his bad side because he'll paste it.
	He'll spend more money so that I see what he's saying.
	Yeah, this guy's a big high roller.
	He owns a couple casinos up in Canada, actually.
	Can he be a high roller for me?
	Hey, Pasty George.
	I love high rollers.
	She's in Canada.
	Pasty, where are you in?
	Vancouver?
	Would you date a First Nations Giga Chad?
	Is he primal?
	Primal?
	What does that mean?
	Are you primal, Pasty George?
	Is he primal?
	Is he extremely masculine?
	He's sending hundreds of dollars to talk to women he doesn't know.
	What is it?
	Read it.
	The chances of 404s, OF girls, cam girls, etc., getting a mid-man to marry is high.
	But them getting a high-tier man and marrying him is low.
	And it's even lower if they try to keep him.
	LOL!
	Yeah, so he's in Canada too.
	You're in Canada, but you're in Vancouver.
	He's in he's in Saskatchewan, but he owns like three casinos.
	Yeah.
	So if you want, like I'll get you guys linked up.
	Depends with how he is, yeah.
	Also, let me check on Andrew Tate if he messaged you back.
	If he's an Andrew Tate supporter, yeah.
	Wait, what were we talking about?
	Oh, we were going to react to some videos or something.
	And then we were talking about, yeah, we'll move it on to the videos.
	Get the first one pulled up, please.
	Just real quick, what's up with the Patrice O'Neill picture?
	Rest in peace.
	Yeah, wait, great.
	One of my favorite comedians.
	They're actually thought of.
	That rules, he's the best.
	You actually thought it was.
	I didn't.
	I did message.
	I'm going to fucking cry.
	Do we have it?
	All right.
	So we have a bunch of videos from you, so we're going to go back to back on.
	These are so old.
	Yep.
	I like the races.
	Yeah, Mega's bigger.
	They're really old.
	There we go.
	Okay, go ahead, play.
	Okay, so, you know, these are people on your TikTok being like, hey, that's your dad.
	This is on your TikTok.
	He's your biggest supporter.
	Okay, we need to tab over to the next immediately, okay?
	Love us.
	Immediately.
	Get it full screen, okay?
	So we'll go back center and then we'll get them going.
	All right, whenever you're ready.
	All right, go ahead.
	Oh, pause.
	Put it on video.
	I say I've got the very beginning.
	Audio on.
	Audio?
	Yes, I have.
	He watches all my videos, right?
	Everyone.
	He loves my TikToks.
	Every single TikTok.
	Oh, here's his night.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh, my mind was blown for a second.
	My heart fell into my stomach.
	I'm not that weird.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We've got next one coming up.
	No audio?
	Show it to me first, then we'll.
	It's probably no audio.
	Yeah, no audio.
	Oh, this is my mommy.
	All right.
	So your parents are supportive of you doing the OF.
	Yes.
	This is still super old, though.
	Okay.
	Mom is supportive.
	She's proud.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hide it before it ends, okay?
	Just put it back center.
	Next one.
	And then who here, like, you do OF too, though, right?
	Technically, but not in the way that most people do.
	I post cosplay photos and bikini photos on there, but no adult content.
	No.
	Okay.
	What do your parents think of you doing?
	I only have a mom, so your dad passed away.
	I don't know.
	My dad is not, like, he, I don't know where he is.
	All right.
	Thorne holyo, thank you for the gifted 10 memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	Next one.
	No audio.
	No audio.
	Or wait.
	Is there, yeah, play it, I guess.
	Your dad must be so proud.
	He's your top supporter.
	Okay, next.
	And then you do OF.
	What do your parents think about it?
	So my dad passed away when I was 18.
	But before that, he was always very supportive of any artistic ambition I had.
	And my mother and I, we haven't spoken since I was 18.
	When my dad passed, it strained our relationship too much.
	Okay.
	What about your parents?
	Me.
	I actually cut my own father off at 17, and I'm emancipated, but I'm like still close to my mom.
	Sometimes I'll provide for her and like support her.
	She's like, okay.
	I don't know.
	It's hit or miss.
	Sometimes she'll give me shit and then sometimes she's like, I'm proud of you.
	Like you're doing well.
	She just doesn't really want to hear about it.
	Yes, I'm Polish.
	I learned it first.
	What's that?
	My family's from there.
	I spoke at first.
	So when I was younger, it was kind of a struggle.
	Were you born in Poland?
	No, I was born in New York.
	Is that your mom, though?
	Okay.
	That's actually my mom.
	She's really pretty sensitive.
	Jenny Lynn, we should have had you on the show.
	Mother-daughter.
	That's my mom.
	Chair 2 is well spoken and seems smart.
	What's her OF now?
	She's trying to plug my OF.
	Next.
	That's cute.
	Play it.
	And.
	Okay.
	I did this a lot.
	People really hate it.
	Yeah, next.
	So, parents are cool with it or not cool with it?
	My mom knows.
	She's cool with it.
	She's cool.
	Your Iranian mother is cool with you being a stripper.
	Yeah.
	Tell me about that.
	Has she ever been to the strip club?
	Yeah.
	Yikes.
	I mean, she's a feminist, too.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Like she was saying earlier, Iranians are like pretty liberal.
	Like the people.
	Like Persians.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, they're not very as like.
	There's countries that are like Muslim and the people agree with it.
	And there's Iran that is Muslim, but people don't agree with it.
	So it's basically like a thing that happened in the past 40, 50 years.
	So a lot of these people's grandparents are not actually.
	It's a revolution.
	Yeah, so it's like we're not really a Muslim country.
	We're forced to be a Muslim country.
	Well, what's crazy is if you actually Google photos of what Iran looks like, was it the 70s?
	Yeah, it was just like America.
	It looks like America.
	We say that we were one of the best countries and they did that to us to make us the worst country.
	And it's kind of happening to you guys now.
	So good luck on that.
	Becoming one.
	They're all Muslim country.
	Good luck on that.
	Oh.
	I mean, are we?
	Yep.
	Canada is for sure.
	Oh, that's one of the reasons now.
	We have mostly Latin American immigration, so I don't know if we should be worried.
	Well, who knows?
	Do you have the next one?
	Oh, there's more.
	Oh, this is a different one, but yeah, sure.
	We'll just play this.
	I'm excited to see this.
	All right.
	Reasons to be old.
	You'll be a stay-at-home husband.
	All right.
	Yeah, your name from the house.
	Next.
	Nay from me, if that helps.
	Is it off TikTok yet?
	Well, it should be video still, right?
	Oh, you're pulling pictures of me too?
	Yeah, yeah, the video.
	Go ahead.
	Audio or no audio?
	No audio.
	So you want, is your boyfriend a or no?
	You have a husband.
	Yeah, we're married.
	Is he a stay-at-home husband?
	Yeah.
	He takes all my content.
	Okay, play it.
	Okay.
	What the hell?
	Is your dad still your biggest supporter?
	Oh, no.
	Yikes.
	Next.
	And then you did it again.
	So, okay, your dad passed.
	He did.
	He died in December.
	Is it the same one under 90s?
	Oh, sure.
	A little, maybe a little insensitive with the urn, though.
	Is that actually his ashes?
	Yes.
	I don't get why it's insensitive, though.
	It is my dad.
	She can decide.
	How did he die?
	Suicide.
	Illness.
	Well, okay, play the next one.
	And then X out of the ones we already showed.
	Okay.
	Play it.
	If it helps, he's not in that urn.
	He's not in.
	You made a smaller urn.
	No, we have an empty, smaller urn that was going to go to his family.
	Don't you think it's a little insensitive?
	Lol insanity.
	To who, though, because it was my dad.
	The corpse I think.
	But it was my dad.
	Laughter's the best medicine.
	Okay, for example, let's say it wasn't ashes and it was just the body.
	But you're the son, right?
	Okay.
	Or the daughter.
	Okay.
	Can you desecrate a corpse just because it's how am I desecrating it?
	Well, ashes.
	No, but I'm not saying you're desecrating it, but it's, you know, it's a little.
	I also think you have to know my dad.
	You would go to a graveyard and be like doing a shoot because you don't know my dad.
	My dad loved doing these videos.
	He loved it.
	He thought it was hilarious.
	That'd be amazing if he did.
	But no, he loved it.
	Like, he loved doing it.
	When you're in a cemetery, you have to observe a certain level of what's the word?
	Not somebody help me with a word.
	It's evading me.
	Well, the thing is, he's not in a cemetery, though.
	Decorum.
	Decorum.
	Thank you, Holly.
	Decorum.
	Yeah, I wouldn't dance in front of other people's dead parents, but why can't I dance in front of my own dead parents?
	Okay, if I was at the cemetery going to my grandmother's grave.
	I wouldn't do it near people.
	And I saw some chick, even if she's like fucking 100 graves down, shooting some content, I'd be like, I would probably walk over there and be like, fuck you.
	You should leave.
	But it is a free country, so I could do that.
	You could.
	But also, we're arguing a hypothetical because he is not in a grave and there's no other people around the world.
	No, I know, but like, I'm trying to get at this idea of like when it comes to remains, I do feel like there is a line, you know?
	Yeah, but like.
	Like, I get it's it's your dad's remains and you're in possession of his remains.
	But I feel like there's a line here.
	It is, and he loved being in TikToks.
	He loved me posting them.
	He watched, like, he did watch all my TikToks.
	He thought it was funny.
	He thought saying funny stuff was funny.
	He enjoyed it.
	He died out of nowhere.
	He enjoyed it.
	I don't see anything wrong with that.
	Yo, DPG thing.
	Hold on.
	For some reason, here, I have to do it manually.
	Is the audio all the way up?
	Yo, Brian, what's up, brother?
	It's Jungle F. You'll see me as DPG thing from now on as I'm a streamer.
	Shout out to the ladies on the panel.
	Be nice, Brian.
	He's a good man.
	A true scholar.
	W show.
	Thank you.
	This is a champagne pop, so we'll pop champagne.
	Yo, dude, jungle.
	Good to see you back in the chat, man.
	You're a legend.
	Thank you so much, dude.
	And let's see.
	Okay, so now he's changed.
	Hey, let me give you a little shout out.
	Guys, are you on Twitch?
	What's your username on Twitch?
	I tuned into your stream a while ago.
	If it's DPG thing.
	Oh, did you get it?
	Did you take the thing off?
	Wait, why is it like this?
	I don't know.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, please don't point it.
	Hold on.
	Okay, you got to be really careful with this one.
	This is already open.
	This is here.
	Here.
	Don't open it.
	I'm kidding.
	Like a bomb's gone.
	Mom needs to come in here.
	Bro, those things will take a fucking eye out.
	Okay, just toss that one.
	All right.
	I'm just don't want anybody.
	Okay.
	Well, good conversation there.
	So what about okay, the ashes, I guess?
	I don't know.
	What does the panel think?
	Anybody want to weigh in?
	Laughter's the best medicine.
	That's fine.
	And it's not like, like, at least with what I believe, is that that's not her, like, that's, that's the earth part of her dad, but the soul's gone.
	So it's not like you.
	And she wasn't doing anything to desecrate it.
	She didn't, like, piss on him.
	Right.
	She was just dancing with an urn.
	That's cute.
	I think.
	In furtherance of promoting her pornographic content, even if it wasn't pornographic, like if somebody was just doing that just for like their TikTok or whatever.
	I'd say it'd be weird if her dad was like really not into it when he was alive.
	No, my dad loved it.
	I feel like it's kind of just crazy to say that it's wrong when you don't know my dad.
	I think your dad would be okay.
	He would.
	And also he's dead, so who really cares?
	Well, here's the thing.
	You're saying, well, you don't know my dad, but there's just certain things that I don't know.
	Well, he would 100% want me to do that.
	Did he tell you that?
	Well, when he was dying in the hospital bed next to me, he told me, why aren't you making TikToks?
	So, yeah.
	I think that's a pre-written permission, yeah.
	Yeah, like I sat with him while he died, and he asked me, why aren't you making TikToks and working right now?
	Yo, chat, what do you guys think?
	Chat, what do you think?
	So, I just, I don't think, like, I can totally understand your point and why it looks that way, and I understand why people hate it.
	But my dad really did love it, and I like doing it with my dad, too.
	I think tragedy and comedy are two sides of the same coin, and I think, yeah, laughs.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, yes, and laughter is the best medicine.
	So, I think, yeah, doing something like that in good taste for your own tragedy is, I think it is tasteful, and it's individual to you.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm the one who had to go through it.
	Yeah.
	And every family has different values.
	Like, I know my grandpa, he would, like, do my grave if I did it.
	But, like, I think it's fun that you guys have that type of relationship.
	Do you want to hope?
	Yeah, we have a very, like, unserious family.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	Hold the bottle and then apply pressure and counter.
	I'm literally doing it.
	But you're going back and forth.
	Just go in one direction.
	Do you need me?
	Just kidding.
	You need muscle.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Just leave the glass.
	I fucking hate these bottles, bro.
	Oh!
	There we go.
	Okay.
	Yay.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Fucking God.
	All right.
	Woo!
	Where were we?
	We were talking about the urn and tick tocks.
	Tik Socks and urns.
	Here, I got some messages.
	In Canada, because of the birth rate crisis and worker shortage, the government brought in thousands of foreigners from the Middle East.
	Now they almost run almost everything, even DoorDash.
	That's from Pasteur George.
	Yep.
	There's a lot of immigration in Canada.
	Dayvon Jackson, if my daughter, who has every hole of hers on the internet, was prancing my ashes in front of her gooner audience for views, if my soul was still intact, it would shred to pieces.
	Well, you weren't my dad, so congratulations.
	Even if my dad gave me permission to do it, I still wouldn't do it.
	My dad enjoyed it.
	I don't know.
	There's something that just doesn't rub me the right way.
	I think it's totally fine.
	Okay, cool.
	I mean, I don't, I don't, it's not your dead dad, so.
	So at the end of the day.
	Everybody here is over 21, right?
	Yes.
	Everybody wants champagne?
	I don't drink.
	I don't want to drink.
	No, no.
	Yes.
	I'll take one.
	Yes, yes.
	Holly, do you want some?
	Okay, so.
	Six cups total.
	Wait, I'm not going to use these.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to do a segment really quick where I'm going to open this up to debate from the audience.
	I'm going to put in members only mode.
	I'm going to read.
	So, Mary, you're going to go on live segment and we're going to pull them up, okay?
	In stream yards.
	Okay, but that?
	Yeah.
	Are we just debating my father?
	Is that what the debate is?
	The chat, we're doing a segment where the chat actually gets to make the arguments.
	Okay, cool.
	So we're going to pull up some of them.
	So if you're a member, you get to actually debate this.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm like multitasking a million things.
	Pass it down, please.
	Thank you.
	Can I have some more water too?
	Thank you so much.
	Oh yeah, thank you.
	That's a note for the note for me.
	Okay, okay, all right.
	Okay.
	Members, so if we need to see like a couple sentences, you can make your argument, or well, maybe one or two or three sentences.
	My dad was 57 for the person who asked that.
	We can't, by the way, you got to pull it up too.
	Oh, I'm good.
	Take it, Nick.
	Sorry, thank you.
	Wait.
	One's for.
	Oh, you said you wanted one.
	No, no, no.
	Did she not say she wanted?
	I thought, oh, I thought you wanted one.
	Oh, Nick, you want some?
	Here.
	All right.
	Nick is getting some.
	There you go.
	Okay, let's do a quick cheers.
	Cheers to Jungle, or as he is now going, he's going by, what was it?
	It was DPG?
	DPG?
	Wait, hold on.
	DPG thing.
	All right.
	Cheers to Ashes.
	All right, Silent.
	Cheers to my dead dad.
	Okay.
	So I'll just have to pull it up then.
	All right, you guys get to make the arguments.
	We have the one who knocks.
	Oh, okay, that was a little rough.
	I get these comments every single day of my life.
	This is somebody's father, guys.
	Oh, this is your family.
	This is my mom.
	Jenny Linney, I think these MFers that are saying he, okay, that, or judging her without knowing her, are disgusting and small-minded a-holes.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Okay, there's some brutal.
	Maybe this is.
	I get really, really, really horrible comments, so they don't really affect me, but I do get quite a lot.
	What?
	What?
	In my personal opinion, I don't think you can preach or hold any disdain toward her values if you're going to say something like that in the comments section.
	True, right?
	True.
	Like, if you have values and honor, don't say that.
	It's a little distasteful, but if he would have been okay with it, then I don't see a problem.
	I can agree with you that it is distasteful.
	And I don't.
	Josh Brooks says you're supposed to let the dead rest in peace, you dolt.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, he didn't want to die, and he didn't want to rest in peace.
	He wanted to make TikToks.
	Why do you think it's respectful to show camel toe while holding your dad's urn?
	Because I have a big vagina.
	What?
	I can't wear yoga pants.
	All right.
	Okay, he is shooting his shot.
	Thank you for the super chat there.
	Let's see.
	By the way, if you, we're going to, obviously, there's a lot of chats coming through.
	We're going to miss some of them.
	So just copy and paste if we are missing it, I guess.
	Does she think we'd live in a better society if every man held the same standards for their daughter?
	Okay.
	No.
	There's a lot of super chats coming through.
	We might have to hold those until after.
	Oh my God.
	It's kind of dark humor.
	Some people seem to like it.
	Dawn says death is no longer sacred in the modern world.
	Grief is personal, but dancing on TikTok with your dad's ashes feels more like a grab for attention than a tribute.
	So I think it's both.
	So my job is to get attention online.
	So I am aware of that concept, and that is why I posted it.
	But at the same time, my father also loved to do it.
	So I don't feel it's that bad.
	There's a line between honoring someone and exploiting their memory.
	Some moments deserve privacy and respect, not a public stage or viral trend.
	Wasn't a viral trend.
	It got like 100,000 views.
	As Chris Rock said, a father is one job is to keep his daughter off the pole.
	Delta Echo, this is the biggest cup I've ever seen.
	Typical California family.
	I'm from Georgia.
	She's from the South.
	She's from the South.
	Look at her smile, unremorseful.
	I have a lot of people.
	She doesn't think she did anything wrong.
	Your father was being supportive because he loved you.
	Doesn't mean what you're doing is morally right.
	Respect.
	Okay.
	Josh Brooks says this.
	It was actually a severely traumatic event, but if you've ever been through trauma, you know that you can deal with that differently than just crying.
	I feel if I was just crying on the internet about my dad dying forever, that I would get hated on that as well.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see if there's any final call.
	If anybody wants to make an argument, your mom is not enjoying some of the comments.
	Let's see here.
	Sending you love, Jenny.
	She didn't watch it.
	She's watching.
	Yeah, maybe you should turn this off.
	Turn it off.
	All right.
	Well, that was an interesting experiment.
	All right.
	There's a bunch of chats that came through that we need to get caught up on.
	Going back as far as like seven, like 10 minutes ago.
	I'm going to read the super chats.
	Amidst your feminist gender studies prattle, you're missing the elephant in the room.
	There are four OF workers on the panel.
	10% of women between the age of 18 to 25 are on OF.
	Gen Z gals aren't exactly the bringer home to mom calibre.
	That's from Lucas.
	Anybody feel like responding to that?
	What's the percentage of men that are subscribers to OF, though?
	Because, like, what if women don't want to date men that are.
	And where does the 10% of the people are?
	Yeah, where is that from, too?
	And honestly, there's a lot of amazing women out there with great values of integrity and their own personhood.
	And I think that you have to check where you're looking.
	There's also women.
	Even if we believe his statistic, and it is 10% of women in that age group are on OF, and that's not your jam, and that's not what you want to date.
	Totally fine by you.
	There's 90% of other women in that age group.
	Those horrible women that, like, I guess, like, people would look at and be like, oh, you're amazing because you make this much and you have a real job and like a degree or two or whatever.
	But like, you're going to idealize that, but you don't know how they really are behind the scenes.
	Yeah.
	And again, ultimately, we have free will as human beings.
	So you can choose who you want to date.
	If you don't like somebody, move on, go get somebody else.
	Plenty of fish in the sea.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have another chat from Lucas here.
	Furthermore, and your anecdotal outlier claims, notwithstanding, it would be embarrassing for a high-level professional man to introduce you within polite society, which ironically enough, chair one is exactly where the men you desire navigate.
	Exactly.
	That's what my point is.
	Oh, shit.
	I agree with that.
	Big giga chat here.
	Hold on.
	There it is.
	Thank you again for the champagne pop, man.
	Really, really appreciate it.
	Yes, sir.
	DPG thing on everything, chair eight.
	Be nice.
	Say hello.
	That's you.
	Oh.
	Hi.
	What's up, guys?
	Brian is right.
	I'm a legend.
	Love the show, bro.
	Keep on keeping on.
	Hey, thank you so much for the massive super chat.
	Guys, W's in the chat for DP DPG thing, the artist formerly known as Jungle F. W's in the chat for DPG.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Looking flying those aviators.
	Thank you, dude.
	Big, big $500 super chat.
	Fucking legend.
	Wait, I got to play this too.
	Hold on.
	Oh, it's not going to play.
	Wait.
	Damn, the fucking our OBS is all fucked.
	I don't know what happened.
	Anyways, thank you so much, man.
	We have Jenny here.
	Oh, we already read that one.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We got some members who joined.
	Thank you guys for joining up.
	Appreciate it.
	Hit the join button if you want to become a member.
	And then the rest I'll just let you pull up.
	All right.
	Okay, let's get back into the show notes.
	Where were we?
	I don't even know.
	We were talking about.
	We pulled up videos.
	Oh, all her videos.
	Okay.
	Did you X out of all those videos?
	Okay.
	We have a video from her.
	Let's pull that one up.
	It should be the first one.
	I don't know what it is.
	Was it the one we saw earlier?
	Do you have it?
	No audio, just play it.
	Play it.
	POV, your parents fully supported your goth phase under the condition that you let them take pictures to laugh at when you're an adult.
	Damn.
	That's my favorite play-through.
	I can feel the anger.
	And then we have.
	Fedora at the ocean.
	Yeah, two tweets.
	Two tweets.
	Let's.
	My Twitter's nuts.
	Oh, goodness.
	It could say anything.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, this one.
	20% of married dudes cheat.
	Where do you get that stat from?
	Since we're talking about stats.
	I don't remember where I looked it up, but I know I looked it up before I posted this.
	20% of men leave their wives when she becomes chronically.
	You know that that study was retracted?
	I know just from friends and family who work in hospital settings and who work in chronic care, that is something where they have to sit the woman down when she's diagnosed and actually prepare them on what to do when their husband leaves them because it happens so often.
	Yeah, except the studies on that, that's anecdotal.
	All the studies that they've done on that, well, the one in particular that's often cited, that I believe you're citing there, it was retracted because they made multiple errors in how they coded the study.
	All right.
	Well, then I'll have to look more into that.
	But speaking anecdotally, from the people that I know that work in that type of care, it's incredibly common.
	So you're saying in these institutions, these healthcare institutions, there's a policy where they sit down, the wife, and if she has a spouse or whatever, they tell her, by the way, there's a risk your husband's going to leave you.
	So there's a gendered policy on this?
	There is, yeah, there's a support staff member that will come in and we'll talk to them about women, though.
	There's support staff that comes in for both, but one of the talking points specifically for the women is to usher them through that point of change.
	But we don't see it happen with men.
	We don't see that happen like we do.
	I've never happened in the history of humanity.
	Of course, a woman divorced her husband who has cancer.
	But I'm saying the frequency is not what evidence do you have for the claim.
	Just, again, I'm only going off of the study that apparently was retracted.
	I haven't seen that.
	And then anecdotal evidence.
	I mean, it's.
	I know women who have gotten chronically ill and then their partner has left them.
	I don't know of any man that has gotten chronically ill and then has been left.
	They usually get married, in my experience.
	Yeah, I mean, this is something that happens both ways.
	Of course, in some regard, but I think it's skewed one way over the other.
	Well, it seems like women overwhelmingly end relationships.
	So, this idea that men are these evil, devilish dogs who didn't say that.
	That seems to be the implication.
	No, I was responding to something in that tweet.
	Uh-huh.
	And I can't, I'm not going to quote exactly what it was, but I remember somebody saying, like, women are the ones that break up families or something, or women are always the ones that like destroy families.
	And so that's why I quoted the fact that 94% of family annihilators are men, which is true.
	And then the other stats in there.
	I love men.
	I genuinely do.
	And I'm not saying that they're evil, but I'm saying they're not innocent either.
	Do we have the study?
	I think it's pulled up in one of the tabs.
	Do you have it?
	Make it bigger, please.
	A widely reported study suggesting divorce is more likely when wives fall ill, gets axed, and this is from Retraction Watch, is invalid thanks to a short string of mistaken coding that negates the original conclusions published in the March issue of the Journal of Health and Social Behavior.
	So, anyways, I mean.
	So, then what was the updated conclusion?
	I'm not sure.
	So, we don't have the updated stat.
	Could be 19%.
	Yeah, it could be 10%.
	It could be 5, but regardless.
	I suppose.
	And then pull the tweet back up, though.
	Oh, hold on.
	We have a TTS coming through.
	Or it's not a TTS because it's broken.
	I just have to read it.
	Thanks to feminism, women are more masculine than ever, broadly speaking.
	Emotions that aren't anger are usually considered feminine.
	To the panel, what does modern masculinity mean to you?
	Yeah, we can just move on to that.
	Go ahead, starting chairman.
	Wait, what was the question again?
	Broadly.
	What does modern masculinity mean, Neo?
	What does it mean to me?
	I don't know.
	Someone that is very in tuned with their natural instincts and thinks that's how men are supposed to live, like, and be.
	And I'm not saying like men in the past 50 years, like men, your actual nature before this whole surface level stuff.
	Like what we're actually here for, before like the jobs and like the actual purpose of men.
	That would be someone that is like actually masculine for me.
	British going through each.
	Yeah.
	So what do you think?
	I think many things can be masculine.
	I think it doesn't have to just be your like, you know, like the biology of like men need to provide and men need to hunt or whatever it was.
	Or like I think a masculine man could stay home with kids personally, but I think it's kind of just, I don't think it's that cut and dry.
	I think masculine, like I think modern masculinity is the same as archetypal masculinity, where it's like the strength is seen as more masculine, but then also I think when you look at things more analytically instead of on the emotional side, I think that's considered masculine.
	I think it still is.
	Protection, which again is like strength.
	Yeah, I don't think the definition's changed.
	I think maybe people in our society exhibit them in different degrees, but I don't think it's changed.
	I would say that I watched a brilliant movie the other night on about Desmond Doss.
	Has anybody heard of him before?
	Okay.
	Basically, he saved like 75 people during one of the during the World War II, I believe.
	And I think he's a great example of masculinity in general, having high integrity, high emotional intelligence, courage, unapologetic about himself and his values, and is sworn to a higher Purpose than himself.
	Yeah, I really resonate with what both the previous ladies said because I think masculinity in its definition hasn't really changed over time.
	And I also think, of course, there's the differentiation between toxic masculinity versus healthy.
	And so the rigid definition being that men need to be providers or to be physically strong or stoic.
	I don't think that is beneficial and that doesn't behoove relationships.
	So I think a healthier version of masculinity could be a man who has the desire to take care of his loved ones but is still in touch with his emotions and is able to be mature and emotionally intelligent and in tune with the soft side.
	Because I think all human beings, we have a mix of masculine and feminine polarities.
	And so a healthy man to me is someone who is not 100% strictly masculine but is comfortable with adopting qualities and facets of sort of both archetypes.
	So what do you think draws the line between healthy masculinity and toxic masculinity?
	Yeah.
	I think it's not for me to decide because I think that can be arbitrary.
	But when I see toxic masculine discourse or diatribe on the internet, oftentimes it's either attacking certain types of people or attacking certain behaviors or overall being more inflammatory or just having a very strict agenda in mind.
	Because I think flexibility and fluidity is very important in relationships and in human dynamics.
	So for me, the big differentiator is just how rigid are you in your thinking and how strictly are you trying to enforce your beliefs on other people?
	Because if you, I believe that the healthier mindset that you have, typically the more accepting you are just to hear other people out and to look at different mindsets that are different from your own.
	Oh, I was going to say, I completely agree with you.
	I feel like also social media has like skewed our idea of masculinity.
	Like for me, I want a man that's going to make me feel safe and support me, but not like financially per se.
	Just somebody that I can come home to and also, I think biologically, like we're all equal, but we're also not like men, I believe, are more logical.
	That's like, what do you call it?
	Like first, and then we're more like nurturing.
	There's like so many other ones, but like at the end of the day, we're still on the same level.
	There's just like when we think about things, there's like certain aspects of a situation that they're going to focus on differently than we will, even like if we do have the same like beliefs.
	So I just want somebody that'll like make me feel safe and like supports me and just open-minded.
	Like, yeah, like isn't gonna like attack women for being women.
	And like, I just believe we all have like, what's the word trying to think of?
	Like our duties in a relationship are just as like men and women, and we should be able to like, oh God, I can't even think of the word right now.
	Damn.
	Oh my God.
	I cannot think of it.
	Sorry.
	I think Trump brings masculinity back.
	Trump is on fire.
	You go to his rallies.
	Those men are men.
	There's more men enlisting in the army, of the military, everything down the line.
	The guy's brilliant.
	He's put a fire on.
	I've gone to the Charlie Kirk rallies where those guys are just dynamic.
	The group of people that he's about.
	I mean, it's like I wanted to be, I can't handle wussy California skipping liberal boys.
	I want a man's man.
	I want a protector and a provider.
	And Trump has done that across the, he's done that across the world.
	If you saw what he's done through the Middle East and the whole bit, everybody's cheerleading him.
	And don't worry about Canada because it's going to be the 51st state soon.
	We're going to save their asses.
	Please do.
	We are.
	I'm serious.
	No more fairy boys, you know, and hallelujah to President Trump.
	We pray for you daily, President Trump.
	You are magnificent President Trump, and we thank you for saving our country and saving our men.
	Because you look at Trump, look at how many brilliant women he has working for him on his team.
	Those women are so dynamic.
	He doesn't go against women.
	Hey, blonde one and blonde two with fake tits one and fake tits two.
	So many dynamic women.
	Well, that's hard.
	What's fake here?
	Why can't people do it?
	I think I'm the only one with fake tits here, baby.
	Well, so what's wrong with that?
	I'm saying he doesn't have dynamic women.
	He has one type that he's fake tits.
	That's not true.
	Well, yeah, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who looks like me, was ugly as shit, but that's not.
	He didn't have any other ones.
	I think all of his women are capable women.
	I think capable women.
	Capable of what?
	Reading from a teleprompter?
	And leading the country.
	Leading in what?
	What woman is leading in?
	Everything.
	Kristi Noem?
	You think that she's, okay, she's- I'm arguing with the wall.
	I don't care if she's beautiful.
	She's not dynamic or leading.
	were like supportive of only fans girls and all this nudity that's a perfect example of someone that is like literally kind of like like me no yeah his his wife like he's like what His wife is fine.
	I love that I've seen my first lady's bush.
	That rocks.
	Oh, I love his wife.
	I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with OnlyFans girls or anything of the sort.
	I'm saying let's not champion Trump like he's got a dynamic range of women working in the White House.
	He does.
	Okay.
	All of his women are exceptional.
	Sure.
	And he's given them leadership roles.
	Yes.
	I agree with that.
	He's also given like a 19-year-old a leadership role.
	A 19-year-old who's the 22-year-old, whoever.
	The ex-someone who's leading, I forget the cabinet name.
	Doge.
	It's not Doge.
	No, the guy who, are you talking about the defense guy who was a grocery store clerk?
	What's that ball?
	He worked at a supermarket and now he's like head of everybody else.
	I forget the name of the department, so I don't want to butcher it.
	But like, come on now.
	What?
	You're saying that FDT.
	We'll make an example.
	You know, if you're not.
	Trump is supporting masculine men and yet he's cutting funding to the VA, to Medicare, to Medicaid.
	He has.
	It's in the big beautiful bill, baby.
	It just passed.
	Go to Congress.gov.
	You can see it.
	He's cut USAID.
	You know what USAI does?
	He's cut a lot of things.
	He cut USA.
	Sure.
	And he also cuts.
	That was money laundering.
	Okay.
	He also did cut NVA.
	I bet you believe in Pizzagate, too.
	I do believe in Pizzagate.
	Well, then, we're moving on because I can't argue with a brick.
	I'm not a brick.
	It's truth.
	And if you can't handle the truth.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I think she can handle the truth.
	She's arguing at five.
	What's the number one commodity worldwide?
	What do you mean?
	What's the number one commodity worldwide?
	Go ahead and tell me.
	No, I'm asking you.
	And I'm asking you.
	Go ahead and tell me.
	What's the number one commodity worldwide?
	Trafficking.
	Okay.
	And I'm sure that they were selling children underneath the pizza parlor.
	Trump went to Epstein Island like 19 times.
	He didn't.
	He never went.
	All right.
	Again, I'm arguing with a brick, and I'm not going to do that.
	I feel like I'm talking with my old neighbor.
	Never happened.
	Well, what do you feel about Elon Musk saying that it did happen?
	Yeah.
	His boy takes a lot of time.
	His best he did go on Twitter and stuff.
	There's photos.
	What do you mean?
	There's photos of Donald Trump hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein.
	It never would have made president if it did.
	Well, can I just say that Elon and Trump definitely had a very public breakup.
	They did have a public breakup.
	It did rule.
	Who here would date a Trump supporter?
	Show of hands?
	I think so.
	No.
	you wouldn't date a Trump.
	Your boyfriend, he's a Kamala voter?
	He did vote for Kamala, yes.
	Or husband.
	Your husband voted for Kamala.
	My active duty, manly man, husband, yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Got some.
	Who voted for Kamala?
	Did you vote?
	No.
	You vote, you're a Trump supporter.
	You just wouldn't date a Trump supporter?
	I didn't vote, period.
	Into the mic?
	I didn't vote, period.
	Okay.
	So are you a Trump supporter or no?
	I'm not a Trump supporter.
	Who did you vote for?
	I didn't vote this time.
	This time?
	All right.
	Trump.
	Who did you vote for?
	Kamala.
	I was out of state, so I couldn't vote.
	I was out of the country.
	I couldn't vote.
	Kamala.
	Oh my god.
	It doesn't matter.
	They could.
	Either way.
	We have a message here, Pacey George.
	Chair three, real evidence and statistics are key, not anecdotal hearsay.
	Imagine if courts allowed such nonsense.
	Yes, Your Honor, it happened because I said so without factual evidence.
	LOL.
	They took my phone.
	How am I supposed to look it up?
	Literally.
	It took my cell phone, and I didn't know I was going to have Miss MAGA on the panel.
	I didn't prepare for that part.
	I thought we were just talking about dating.
	What are some of the other reacts that we have?
	Huh?
	The next sweet from Jesse?
	Sure.
	Oh, yeah.
	God, it could say anything.
	Hide the super chat.
	put us on the other side, please.
	Uh, men like women who are inconvenient and make them, here, you read it in your own voice, please.
	Men like women who are inconvenient and make them work for their attention.
	The sexiest thing that you can be is busy.
	Put us in the corner, I guess.
	Actually, whatever.
	Why do you think that men don't like it's it's always kind of like a game of chase.
	Men tend to be a little bit more avoidant than women, but people always want what they can't have.
	They like having something to work for.
	So I know guys who have said that they don't think that women have hobbies, which is not true.
	But I know a lot of women who kind of just shrink themselves in their hobbies and center a man in their life.
	And that's needy.
	That's chasing.
	Nobody likes it.
	Let's just sweep it back up really quick.
	Men like women who are inconvenient and make them work for their attention.
	The sexiest thing you can be is busy.
	Do you want somebody who's just, I'm here, I'm here.
	When are you going to date me?
	Take me on a date.
	Well, take me on a date.
	You're painting an extreme case here.
	So pull it back up one more time.
	Just want to make sure I have, okay, inconvenient and being busy.
	So I disagree with both those claims.
	I don't think men want a woman who makes things inconvenient.
	And that is your position, right?
	Yeah.
	It's an inconvenience to attempt to hang out with you and you being busy, so it's difficult to make plans.
	No, that's.
	Nobody likes anything that's way too easy and way too available.
	Maybe you guys as women, but...
	No, I'm talking from men.
	Every, I'm...
	I'm in two male-dominated industries.
	Most of my friends are guys.
	Most of the people that I talk to are guys.
	Most of your friends comedians?
	A lot of them are comedians, and a lot of them are also just working in television.
	That's also primarily.
	Mostly friends with liberal men or?
	No, most comics are not liberal.
	So I got a mix.
	But yeah, both of them, or both liberal and conservative friends of mine, they get the ick, so to speak, if a woman is way too available.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	If it was going in one direction or the other, so perhaps there's, let's say there's a happy medium, but if it had to lean air more on one side or the other, you think men would prefer a woman who's too available or a woman who's not available enough.
	Not available enough.
	Just get people for that.
	Men and women, I think people, just in nature, you want what you can't have.
	You like working for something.
	I think it's the case for both.
	No, so I think this idea, and this is really something that I think women do quite frequently, this idea that you want to play hard to get.
	If you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want.
	Now, yeah.
	That's how my mom got her ring.
	That's how I got mine.
	That's my mom's biggest advice to me when it went into dating.
	She was like, just play hard to get.
	She played hard to get with my dad, and he proposed in like four months.
	I think you want to be hard to get.
	I'm not saying that it's an impossibility, but this idea that this is like a good advice to give somebody when it comes to dating.
	The first time I ever played hard to get was when I got a ring.
	So is that your past?
	Yeah.
	So you guys were engaged.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But are you saying had you not played hard to get, like he just would have not been into you?
	I think that's really what drove it ultimately because he was very like avoidant initially and he was seeing a bunch of very beautiful women and we connected more as friends first and then it just kind of built like that.
	But then I made myself less and less available and then he started chasing me.
	So just to be clear, the foundation of your relationship was based on you playing a game?
	No.
	I mean quite literally, you weren't a game.
	How was it not a game?
	It was me saying, okay, I'm not going to throw all of my eggs in this basket.
	I'm not going to make myself too available.
	I'm going to play a little hard to get and I'm going to just play hard to get.
	So you're playing.
	It's a figure of speech.
	I'm going to make myself less readily available.
	I'm not going to drop everything when he comes.
	Let's say you were free.
	Yeah.
	Say it was a Monday.
	Hey, are you free on Thursday or Friday?
	And you are free, but you tell him you're not.
	I wouldn't do that.
	So, okay, in what ways would you not make yourself available?
	I'm very rarely free.
	I'm saying I wouldn't make myself available in that, okay, I have something scheduled with a friend that I'm going to dinner with a friend.
	And he's like, do you want to hang out that night?
	I'm not going to cancel on that friend.
	But I'll tell you when I am available.
	Well, that seems perfectly normal.
	I wouldn't categorize that as being hard to get.
	That's respecting.
	That's respecting your pre-existing commitments to hang out with somebody else.
	Yeah, but anxiously attached people, which tends to be the attachment style more for women than anybody, will go ahead and cancel those plans.
	I was anxiously attached beforehand, will make themselves too.
	That's making yourself too available, is prioritizing that person and waiting around for them and just trying to fixate them as the center of your world.
	Yeah, but I wouldn't even categorize if you have a pre-existing plan and you hold to those plans despite like perhaps another plan manifesting that might be better or there's this guy you really like.
	I wouldn't categorize that as like playing hard to get or making yourself intentionally unavailable.
	You were just, as a statement of fact, unavailable.
	Yeah.
	We have different definitions for playing hard to get, evidently.
	Okay, but pull it back up the tweet again.
	The sexiest thing you can be is busy.
	Yeah.
	Men like women with hobbies and a whole life outside of them.
	And if you don't, God bless.
	But I think the reality is, I think if the woman is too on top of you, like perhaps I can see the angle there.
	I can just as easily say that if I've made multiple attempts to hang out with you and you're making it difficult for me to actually make that happen, I just lose interest.
	There's other options on to the next one.
	Yeah.
	So I can guarantee you, you as women, there are men who are going to, that you're interested in.
	And look, if you're genuinely busy, you're genuinely busy.
	But there are going to be scenarios where the dude's just going to move on.
	So this idea that a guy's going to perpetually chase you when you're busy.
	I didn't say that.
	I'm saying you're potentially going to miss out on a dude if you're not at least attempting.
	I'm not saying you got to turn your life upside down for a guy, but I think it actually shows a degree of effort to make an attempt to make yourself available.
	I'm not saying you got to cancel pre-existing plans.
	But if you're impossible to schedule something with, I'm not waiting around for you.
	I'm on to the next one.
	I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.
	I'm not saying be impossible to get a hold of, but I'm saying be busy.
	Don't be, and that's just, you should be busy.
	You should have things occupying your time, and you shouldn't be canceling them for him.
	So it shouldn't be every single time he texts you and he wants to see you, you're available because you should have shit going on in your life.
	But would you prescriptively tell a woman, like let's say she's not busy.
	I would say get busy.
	But would you tell her, but let's say she's not.
	Would you say, well, create the air that you are busy, even if you're just staying at home.
	I would say get actually busy.
	You need to have actual hobbies or interests or passions or something.
	That would be my advice.
	And that's my advice for men too.
	And I'm saying like with the people that I've worked with and knowing people on the upper end of society, they're there unless they've had, you know, generational wealth.
	And then they're not dating like any of us are dating as it is.
	But the people who are successful and who have made a lot of money, they're going to be busy.
	And they don't want somebody who's just nagging at them and trying to get their attention.
	Yeah, but I don't think, I don't think it's, as a woman, you're either really, really busy and you're going to have to occasionally tell a guy that you're not free or you're just really, really on him.
	Like, I think there's a medium.
	So I don't know, this idea that, okay, just be busy.
	I don't know.
	When I wrote that, it was because I was talking to a friend who is not busy ever.
	And she's just like, I can't, I, I, she invests her everything, her time, her energy, her money, everything into the dude she dates, and then they don't stick around.
	And I was like, yeah, because you made him the center of your whole world.
	You gave him everything, all your energy.
	You can't do that.
	You got to give you your energy.
	Do your passions and the things that you love and that make up your life.
	Make a full, fulfilling life.
	Because otherwise, you might as well date them.
	The little ladies that you got in the corner.
	If you want them to be hot and ready, oh, that's Little Caesar's Not Arby slogan.
	Damn.
	If you want them to have the meats, go to this lady.
	I mean, there's just scenarios where when you're trying to actually move something forward with somebody and they basically make it really, really difficult.
	They make it a pain in the ass to actually get on that date.
	Hey, some guys might stick around.
	I think a lot of guys are just going to move on to somebody who's a bit more available.
	Well, what do you consider a pain in the ass, just so I know where you're coming from?
	It's like, I'm trying to think of an example.
	Like, I might want to see you sometime within the next month would be nice.
	And some people are booked up the entire month.
	That's crazy.
	I'm going to move on to somebody else.
	Yeah, if you are booking a month out, God bless.
	You sound like you have a very fulfilling life.
	Dating's probably not for you.
	You don't have the time for it.
	Yeah, they have to be emotionally available.
	Right.
	You have to be emotionally available and you do have to be able to take an appointment within a calendar month.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying be crazy with it.
	But again, if the lady, if, okay, imagine your girl that you're talking to, all she does all day, she doesn't do work, she doesn't go to work, she doesn't go to school, she doesn't do nothing, no hobbies.
	She likes to sit in bed and TikTok and then think about you.
	Sign me up.
	I would love to point you again in the direction to the blow-up dolls that you have in the corner of the studio.
	Well, I mean, so what would you say to women who have a desire to be stay-at-home wives?
	Wives or mothers?
	Both.
	Mothers, good on you.
	That sounds like a hell of a lot of work.
	Wives, do you have a farmstead or something?
	You got to have something in your day.
	If you want to be a stay-at-home wife and your man can afford that and every, like, that's why those women become the beneficiaries of like charities and they get on the board with stuff.
	They get involved.
	Nobody just take care of the house.
	What's the house?
	I'm just going to let some chats come through.
	Cap, sorry for the delay on this.
	You sent this in about five, six minutes ago.
	You call this lovely lady crazy for believing in Pizzagate and then bring up Epstein, who did trafficking with our politicians.
	There's nothing in between your ears but hot air.
	Is this directed at you or no?
	That's directed at me.
	Because I said, I was like, girl, you really think that Hillary Clinton is hiding children underneath a pizzeria?
	Donald Trump was photographed with Jeffrey Epstein.
	So wasn't Bill Clinton also?
	Bill Clinton is absolutely.
	He is a rapist.
	I'm not denying that.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Say SA.
	My bad.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	No, Bill Clinton is a monster, for sure.
	I'm not defending the Clintons.
	I don't think that people were hiding children underneath the pizzeria that didn't have a basement.
	Just because you don't think it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
	Right.
	When there's proof.
	What's the proof?
	There's no basement, baby.
	They've got all the proof on it.
	Who?
	What proof?
	Who's they?
	And what's the proof?
	I've read it all over.
	I bet.
	I bet you have.
	What the fuck?
	All right, we have DP thing here.
	I got to do this manually.
	I got to fix this after the show.
	Thank you.
	Eleanor, hello back.
	When I come out to Cali later this year, it's my plan to blow your mind with my incredible psychological Akido.
	Let's connect, Brian, lock it in, hook it up, pass my IG to your left.
	Oh, wow, he's shooting a shot.
	Wow.
	Oh, there, girls, girl in the room.
	What do you think?
	Yay or nay?
	Do you need more details about him?
	All right.
	So, maybe do you want to share some biographical info, age, height?
	Anything else you care about?
	I guess, like, yeah, definitely age, location.
	I think that's it right now.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	I'm open-minded.
	Very fun facts.
	Wait, what?
	Okay.
	We have Pasty George.
	Take note, guys.
	Chair 3 is one of the red flag women you want to avoid.
	Nothing but baggage, head games, and feministic BS.
	They would put their own interests over you and the children, yikes.
	Do you want kids?
	No.
	No kids.
	No.
	Never?
	No.
	You meet the perfect guy.
	He's like, hey, I want to have kids.
	Then he's not the perfect guy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Farah Khalidi.
	I don't know if this is actually Farah, but it's below the threshold, Farah.
	So unfortunately, unless you send it above the threshold, you'll have to resubmit if you want Lucy to answer your question.
	Let's see.
	I don't know if that's actually Farah, though.
	It might be somebody else.
	We're going to jump to this.
	Andrew Tate, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting with you.
	Am I rating what I actually wait?
	Okay.
	Wait, here, actually, you know what?
	Here's how I want to do this.
	Anybody here a 10?
	Say so.
	Okay, we're starting with you then.
	Would you rate your looks on a scale of one to 10?
	I would say for myself and for my future husband, I'd see myself as a 10.
	What do you mean for your future husband?
	Like, I think my future husband will see me as a 10.
	There are plenty of men out there who might think I'm a two or a three or whatever, but me and my future husband will think I'm a 10.
	Okay, you also, you wanted to.
	Yeah, I'm pretty much on the same lines.
	I think that I'm a 10 in my own.
	Like, I think I'm beautiful.
	Same thing.
	Not everybody may think that I'm beautiful, and that's fine, but I think that I'm beautiful.
	I'm a 10.
	If you don't think I'm a 10, that's your personal opinion.
	I'm cool with that.
	Okay, so now we'll just go around the table, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I'm a five.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Maybe an eight for myself, I guess.
	Okay.
	I personally think that I'm a like I see myself as a three.
	I think society probably it's more like five.
	I'll just say six.
	Yeah, I feel like that's being kind to myself.
	I think I'm an eight.
	Holly?
	I was a five about a month ago, and I think I went down to a three.
	And hopefully by the end of summer, I'll be on my way back up.
	Okay.
	So we have five, eight, three, ten, six, eight, three, ten.
	I give myself a five.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	Can I say something?
	One sec, really quick.
	DPG thing.
	Did you want a champagne pop?
	I was a little confused there.
	Do you want the shop?
	I think it's a champagne pop.
	It is a champagne pop.
	We've got to honor the champagne pop.
	We've got to honor the code.
	But DPG thing, you did simp for Eleanor.
	Do you have a nickname or you go by Eleanor?
	My nickname is literally just LNR.
	Eleanor.
	So online, people always spell my name wrong.
	So I always just say, just spell it L-N-R.
	Okay.
	But people just call me Eleanor.
	Why aren't you allowed to pick seven?
	Everyone's like, I'm a big number.
	It's like.
	All right.
	And then, oh, DPG, you have to pay a sim tax.
	If you simp, you got to pay the sim tax.
	You know the rules.
	So I don't know.
	And we also asked for your biographical information.
	So when you respond again, specify if you wanted to champagne pop because I know sometimes you're like, whatever.
	You don't have to do it.
	But you can specify if you want us to pop champagne.
	Okay.
	So we got some tens here.
	I want to talk to the tens at the table.
	We have some very beautiful women at the table.
	I always, every show, I manage to get the most beautiful women on the table.
	Well, don't get ahead of yourself.
	So for the two tens, here's what I want to do.
	I want each of you to name another woman, preferably like a celebrity who we could look up, who you think is a 10.
	Starting with you.
	We've heard Megan Fox.
	Yeah, no, I would say like energy matters above all else, but if I were to just look physically, then I'd say like Angelina, Jolie.
	She's a 10.
	Angelina, Jolie.
	Let's do, and young, Angelina, or current?
	I haven't seen current photos of her.
	Let's just do young, Angelina.
	Let's do young.
	So do that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So there's young Angelina.
	Young Angelina.
	Okay.
	And then what about you?
	Who's a female 10?
	Maybe Saweetie.
	All right.
	Saweetie, you know who that is, Nick?
	Yeah, she's beautiful.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	You don't know Saweetie?
	The singer?
	Saweetie.
	She's still young.
	Maybe like a modern picture?
	She kind of looks like Sierra from Love Island.
	Yeah, you don't have to put young because she's like 22, I think.
	Oh, is she?
	I didn't know she was that young.
	Maybe she's not that young, but she's young still.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So you would say you said Angelina Jolie is a 10.
	You would say that like you're kind of on par with Angelina Jolie?
	I think we look different.
	And I think.
	Sure.
	I think she's a gorgeous woman.
	I think from a universal standpoint of like if people were just judging her purely based on appearance, she would be rated a 10 or something close of it.
	But everybody has different preferences.
	Some people would think she's a two or a three.
	But like I said, for myself and for my future husband, I think that I am a 10 and we're just beautiful in our own rights, just in different ways.
	Okay, and then what about you?
	You on par with Saweetie?
	Honestly, we got the same mind because I was thinking the same thing, you know, like, yeah, people may think that, oh, Saweetie's way more bomb than me.
	And like, that's totally valid.
	But me, like, the way that I see myself, like, yeah, I am on par.
	I am as bad as Saweetie.
	Just because like that's just how I see myself.
	And same thing, you know, I may not be a 10 to everybody.
	Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
	But I feel like I'm really secure in my looks where I feel like I can say I'm a 10.
	And then you were going to ask something?
	I think I was going to add something earlier, but that already flew out of my brain.
	It was related to this, though, right?
	Was it?
	I don't remember.
	I thought you were like trying to say something or whatever.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	I do remember, actually.
	Yeah.
	I just want to say, I think everybody on the table should claim themselves as a 10, you know?
	Like, I feel like how you rate yourself is like surprise.
	I feel like how you rate yourself should be like how you feel about yourself.
	So, you know, if you feel like you're a 10, then you will be a 10.
	I mean, it wasn't my looks.
	Like, I think I don't look like the most perfect human being.
	Like, when I look at someone, I'm like, that person is fully perfect.
	I don't feel that.
	And it's okay.
	I'm not saying I want to be that person, but I'm logical.
	Like, that's what I fucking look like.
	So here's what we're going to do.
	The next thing I'd like to do, name a guy who is a 10 that we can Google.
	Like, looks?
	Starting with you.
	So this is a good question.
	I would say my, like, childhood crust was like a young Chris Pine.
	Oh, my God, me too.
	Young Chris Pine?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then for you?
	Man, I'm going to be honest.
	Like, I'm not really, like, I don't really think about like celebrities like that.
	There's no guy you could name.
	He's just like good looking.
	The guy that I can name is Gojo Satoru.
	Who?
	He's an anime character.
	Got a weeb over here.
	I know you're not saying that with all the Dragon Ball stuff behind me.
	It is true.
	There's a lot of Dragon Ball statues.
	Yeah, but you know, that's like mainstream shit.
	It's like mainstream or whatever.
	Dragon Ball Z is like the most popular anime ever.
	So just because she knows one that's less popular, she's like.
	Yeah, it makes you more of a What anime is your guy from?
	Jiu-Jitsu Kaisen.
	All right, that's a little niche.
	It's a little niche, but it's kind of popular, I guess.
	I think I heard about it like 20 years ago or something.
	Louise, thank you for the gifted 10 memberships.
	Okay, so young Chris Pine, let's get that pulled up.
	Can you make it bigger?
	Oh, that works too.
	Make it bigger.
	Bigger, bigger, bigger.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Handsome guy, young Chris Pine.
	And then, do you want to give us a human or something?
	I can't even think of one.
	Oh, let's see.
	A 10, like, just off looks.
	Yeah, just looks.
	Who is what's his name?
	The guy that was in Megan thee Stallion's song.
	I think he's like Yuki Kaiba or something.
	Oh, the Japanese rapper.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you know his name?
	No, but he's cute.
	I think he's.
	Yeah, he is pretty cute.
	Yeah, I don't remember his name, though.
	Probably just Google Megan the Stallion.
	Oh, I also think 21 Savage is pretty attractive, too.
	I know that's not popular, but I think he's pretty attractive.
	Do you know the difference?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I honestly don't know what either of them look like, so this will be photos.
	Do we have photos or so?
	He's a 10, that's a 10 for you.
	I think he's attractive.
	He's different.
	I mean, but are you factoring in like his status and his no?
	If we're being honest, he's really funny, and that's kind of like what like.
	Wait, isn't he done?
	No, he's definitely alive.
	He's definitely alive.
	That was like a big scandal.
	They found out he was secretly British.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So Sadie the 21st.
	It was a whole thing.
	He like got, he was on the risk of being deported or he got detained or something.
	But he's secretly British.
	That's so funny.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I was thinking about that other rapper who was juice or X. Either one.
	Either one.
	Oh, well, they're both past.
	Yeah.
	I don't listen to rap, so I don't know.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	So, just to be clear, going for you now.
	Here, let's get the split fixed.
	So a woman that you listed as a 10 is Angelina Jolie.
	Here, I'm going to do one fucking thing at a time.
	And then the guy who you listed as a 10 is Chris Pine.
	So you say you're on par with Angelina Jolie, and a looks match for you would be Chris Pine.
	That's an interesting question.
	Again, I think that we're all different.
	I don't know whether or not Chris Pine would go for me because his preferences.
	But maybe he would.
	If he could, though.
	Maybe you're his exact type.
	Yeah, if he found me attractive, I found him attractive.
	Are you watching?
	Chris Pine at me.
	Anybody want some more champagne?
	Sure, go.
	Pass your cups on back.
	You want the frank influence.
	Actually.
	I'm okay.
	I'm good.
	She's good.
	All right.
	I don't know whose cup that was.
	Oh, I think that one's mine.
	Oh, shit.
	Got all bubbly.
	So, thoughts?
	Thoughts?
	I mean, yeah, if he was into me and he found me as equally attractive as I find him, yeah, sure.
	Okay, but do you think that that's your league, looks-wise?
	I don't necessarily really believe in leagues.
	Like, I think that If anything of what I've experienced in life is that the more that I get to know people, the more attracted or unattracted that I get to them.
	Yes, I think there's obviously more to attraction than just physical attraction.
	But I think you wouldn't deny that physical attraction is very important, right?
	Yeah, physical attraction does play a role in the beginning.
	Like that's the instant spark, that's the instant attraction.
	But for example, I've dated men in the past who I wasn't initially very attracted to and that I would probably put in the quote-unquote friend zone.
	But then over time, as we developed more emotional intimacy, they became more attractive to me.
	And so I don't put looks to me is just 10% of the equation.
	I value way more emotional integrity, emotional intelligence, and how, like, what their values are as a person.
	I'll get right into that.
	But first, this was a champagne pop for DPG.
	DPG, thank you for the champagne pop.
	You're a legend, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Cheers, Salu.
	Cheers.
	Isn't it bad luck?
	It is.
	What?
	I said, is it a bad luck to cheers water?
	Oh.
	Who cheers water?
	I raised my glass.
	I almost did, and then I saw it.
	I didn't clink, but I raised my glass.
	I don't know.
	So you don't believe in leagues?
	Personally, no.
	Okay.
	So I have a question for you.
	Do you think people can be unattractive physically?
	Do you believe that people can be beautiful or ugly?
	I would say that there are people that I personally am unattracted to, but other people find incredibly attractive.
	Sure, but do you think that I so here's my position?
	I think that beauty is mostly subjective, but there are objective components to beauty.
	I don't quite agree with that because, again, let's take, for example, what was the woman's name?
	I hate to title her by this.
	The most ugly woman in the world.
	What was her name?
	Susan Boyle.
	Perhaps.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know her name.
	It was the singer, Susan Boyle, was like known as being that.
	Like, she has a blind eye or something like that.
	Yeah.
	So, for example, for her, like, she might be objectively not having all of the perfect standards of what a typical beautiful woman would look like, skin-wise, appearance-wise, body type, etc.
	But there are people who are drawn to her.
	Like, if you look in the comments, and I don't know them personally, so I can't speak for them, but like, that's technically the quote-unquote titled most ugly woman in the world, and still people are drawn to her.
	So, I think it is incredibly subjective, more than objective.
	If you look at it from a population standpoint, of you do a BuzzFeed quiz and have people rate what's attractive and what's not attractive, of course, if you frame it like that, they're going to say the XYZ certain characteristics are pulled to be the higher attractive traits.
	But again, that doesn't really represent what attraction is really based on, which is a person's own personal opinion and their own preferences.
	So, you don't think beauty has any impact on people being able to find a partner?
	Sometimes, too.
	Like, you might not even find somebody particularly attractive, or like, they might not be your usual type, but then you get in front of them and like you kind of have a little bit of a conversation, and the chemistry is so intense that, like, even if you're not each other's type, you're just drawn to each other on a physical level, where you wouldn't, if you saw a picture of them, maybe, you wouldn't be attracted to them.
	But then, when you're in person, there's just something with your physiology and the energy, and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, they're hot now in front of me, they're hot.
	I mean, I agree that there are other determining factors that can contribute to someone else.
	No, not even getting to know them.
	Just like there's an interest.
	You've never had that with somebody where like you see them, and then like just you get in the same space.
	So, I saw a really ugly girl, and she just, I never talked to her, but there was just a vibe.
	You event, when you get in each other's space, so you're going to talk at some point, but like, how do you feel about it?
	So, there would be conversation then.
	But you feel the chemistry and the attraction before that?
	Chemistry?
	Yeah, you've never just been drawn to somebody like that?
	Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
	It's almost like that's usually what it always is.
	It sounds like some word salad.
	Well, do you?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	There's a whole bunch of things that can make somebody attractive.
	Probably the primary and the first thing is going to be their physical attractiveness.
	And then there's going to be behavioral stuff, personality stuff that is going to make or break that initial attraction.
	Do you have like what?
	I don't.
	Sorry to ask, but like you're you sex-wise, do you only engage with people that like you're in a committed relationship with?
	Or have you had like flings and stuff like that?
	Have you hooked up?
	When I was younger, I had a couple flings, but I prefer long-term relationships and continuity.
	So, but do you, did you ever, when you were younger, have one of those instances where like you just meet somebody and like immediately you can feel there's like a palpable sexual chemistry uh yeah, but it there's typically a baseline level of physical attraction first.
	Okay.
	So I would say that's there more of a like either romantic or sexual chemistry or flirtation that can exist more so in one person versus another?
	Yeah, sure.
	Fair enough.
	I'm just speaking from my own experience.
	Even really, really physically unattractive people can still find relationships, but that's not really what I'm talking about here.
	I'm not disputing that unattractive people can date.
	No, I'm not saying that either.
	I'm saying that like I've personally experienced a thing where we were not matched aesthetically and there was just palpable chemistry.
	And it's like that's not who we would have gone for.
	Okay, sure.
	I think I can test this out pretty easily here.
	So if like looks don't matter, let's just remove entirely anything you know about these people.
	Let's just talk strictly looks.
	So you can't make any judgments outside of looks.
	So let's say modern current day Donald Trump is he more attractive than Brad Pitt at 25?
	Physically attractive.
	Is he wearing a diaper or did he go depends with it?
	It's Donald Trump who's currently in the white.
	Yeah, I'd prefer somebody who doesn't wear a diaper versus 25-year-old Brad Pitt.
	Yeah, Brad Pat who's more physically attractive?
	I thought we could put physical attraction out of it.
	I thought that was the premise.
	No, just not.
	No, no, we're leaving.
	I know some of you are liberals, so we're leaving out that you disagree with his politics.
	Who's more physically attractive?
	So the two demarcators of beauty usually are physical health and age.
	So by that standpoint, Brad Pitt is younger and more physically healthy.
	So he would inherently, objectively, be more attractive.
	Okay.
	Does anybody have a different opinion?
	Well, I think that Trump.
	Trump's charisma is freaking off the chest.
	We're just talking looks.
	So I think it makes him.
	Let me put it this way.
	If you are in a poll of physical attractiveness, again, like in a BuzzFeed or something like that, sure, people will say that whoever the other guy was was more attractive than Donald Trump.
	But that doesn't always work out in real life execution, meaning that when you actually get to know people and are surrounded by their energy and actually their natural hormones and chemistry, they can say, like just theoretically, you approach both guys and you're speed dating with them.
	The guy that they said was more conveniently attractive, they might not actually have any spark or chemistry or real attraction with in real life.
	And that's where I think the difference is.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I don't think they're, again, it's not in dispute that people who are average or below average or really unattractive, I'm not disputing that they can't find people who might find them physically attractive or who want to be with them.
	That's not really in dispute.
	What I'm disputing here is you said you don't believe in leagues.
	No.
	You don't think that there's leagues.
	So what, I guess, then is stopping me from dating 19 and 20 year old supermodels?
	What's the barrier?
	Like it has nothing to do, like what's the barrier?
	Okay, yeah.
	Like if I were to shoot my shot with a 20-year-old supermodel.
	Yeah, let me.
	Yeah.
	They're in my league, right?
	I can answer that for you, which is first, let's just take age out of it because I don't want to go down the age numbers thing.
	But let's just say it's a supermodel.
	30-year-old supermodel.
	Sure, cool.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So are there 30-year-old supermodels out there who may have superficial beliefs about men and women and go for the six-pack, six-foot-six, whatever?
	And that, or they have people who are drawn to them that are in that category who they like to explore with.
	Sure.
	However, if they actually met you in real life and I would say at least they're not going to like me.
	Maybe, like, it depends on what they're physically attracted to.
	However.
	I'm not talking even physical.
	I'm just saying I probably differ quite a bit in terms of politics and whatnot.
	You don't know, right?
	Well, that's.
	Okay, fine.
	All these Victoria Supermodels are super base conservative.
	That's where I'm saying where real attraction in leagues comes in is way more about values, morals, and integrity in their character rather than anything about their physical appearance.
	Because for example, let's say you get on a blind date with a supermodel, okay, and she's way super attracted to you physically.
	Throughout the course of that conversation, you guys may have different political beliefs, different moral beliefs.
	And then when you expose that, suddenly the attraction might die.
	Or, hey, I don't know your beliefs.
	Maybe you're like a one-night stand kind of guy.
	I don't know.
	But if there is physical attraction, I'm not saying that you are, Brian.
	I'm saying that in a scenario where if you're a one-night stand type of person, it might just be a one-night stand time of connection.
	I've seen very ugly male comedians go out and go to bars and I'm like, you're not going to get any attention.
	And women flock to them because they do just have that natural sort of like energy about them that brings really hot women in.
	I love that.
	Look, again, first off, when it comes to comedians, one of the number one things that women say that they look for is humor.
	And these comedians, I don't know to what degree, like how famous they are or have status.
	That's another component that probably plays in here.
	Perhaps they have good conversational skills.
	Are most men as funny as professional comedians?
	I would say not.
	So we can point to, yeah, okay, there's maybe comedians who are not good looking, but their status or they're just interacting with them is this like fun experience and that makes them attractive to women.
	Sure, I agree with that, but I don't think that that's within the realm of most men, that they're, in terms of their humor, that it's on par with professional stand-up comedians.
	Which is true, but I'm not even saying, oh, they were out there cracking.
	I'm talking like before they had fame or status or money back when they were sleeping on air mattresses.
	Yeah, broke guys can, yeah, broke guys can sleep with women.
	I don't, yeah, I don't dispute this.
	They had good, so you're basically saying good, like men with good personalities can sleep with women.
	I'm not disputing this at all.
	All right.
	How many men have good personalities?
	I don't, I haven't taken that.
	And what I'm saying, what I'm getting at is to overcome other detrimental attributes or characteristics.
	What's the detrimental attribute or characteristic?
	Well, I wouldn't necessarily view it this way, but women might say, like, for example, a woman might say, if a guy's short, he has to make up for it in other ways.
	See, then I would think that you would be dating women with no judgment to people's personal beliefs, but who are dating on superficial standards rather than actually wanting to get to know who you are as a person.
	You don't think that people are not dating superficially?
	Oh, I believe that there is a group out there, but to invite a different perspective, the type of people that I date and the type of people that I've seen, like in the type of people that I've experienced, like I have a standard personally that we, for the type of people that I go out with and also the type of people in my friend groups that they go out with, are not dating superficially.
	It's just a different form of like.
	I mean, yeah, but people do a lot of virtue signaling and they'll they want to say the thing that sounds good, but they won't always actually reveal overtly genuine preferences.
	So it sounds good as a woman to say, yeah, I'll date a short guy, but then like we've done, well, here, I can maybe test this out.
	You said you've been in a couple relationships, right?
	Yeah.
	And just curious, how tall was your last boyfriend?
	Yeah, all of my boyfriends except for one have been shorter than me.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'8 ⁇ .
	All of your boyfriends have been shorter.
	Okay, we got an outlier here.
	All right.
	And that's what I'm saying is that it's not necessarily about what all women in general think.
	It's about which group of women are you dating and attracting into your life.
	Yeah, but in general, women have a general preference for, for example, men who are tall.
	Sure, like I said.
	You might end up dating a guy who's your height, maybe even a bit shorter, as in your case.
	But it is a general preference for vast majority of women.
	And what they're going to find initially most physically attractive is men who are taller than them.
	Sure, yes, but there's a difference between preference versus standard, meaning that yes, there are women out there who are like, I will not date anybody who is shorter than me.
	Yes, I think there's a lot of women out there who innately do have the preference because they like to feel small and protected and held by their partner.
	And again, the type of group of women that I'm talking about are the ones that are basing their values versus on something more than just a superficial are not going to be deterred by somebody who is shorter or any other physical characteristics.
	Wait, hold on.
	A guy could have a sterling personality, but just on the basis of his height alone is going to be disqualified by a cohort of women.
	By yes, one group, but probably the type of woman you would want to date and how many men would want to date wouldn't be dating those types of women.
	Well, you said earlier, you were like, oh, if a guy's short, he has to make up for it in some other way.
	If height is the standard for the woman in question and he is short, then yeah, he's going to have to make up for it in another way.
	But okay, then his personality could be the thing that makes up for it or his sense of humor.
	Right, but for some girls, it's just going to be unless he's exceptional, either in his personality or some other metric, I think it's still going to be an issue for a lot of women.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I think that it's not even like an argument.
	When a man is taller and is more in shape, it means naturally he can take better care of you.
	And it's in our natural instincts to find out more attractive.
	There's no reason to argue about this.
	And when a female is skinnier, that's just what a man likes because it's just in their natural instinct.
	That means a healthier life.
	It means a better, like, I don't know, breeding, better, a lot of different things.
	And it's in our natural instincts.
	Physical fitness, sure, but taller men die sooner.
	It doesn't matter.
	They can take care of that.
	That's 100%.
	Short men live longer.
	You can look at our family.
	I think looks really matter.
	And like if someone has two guys, if you have two guys in front of you, they have the exact same personality and one is taller and better looking, you will pick the taller and better looking.
	That's the reality.
	People that look better, they have, they're better.
	That's just what it is.
	People that look better, they're better.
	I feel like that's incredibly disempowering to men.
	And I don't mean to, you can have your personal opinion.
	And I'm not going to shame you.
	They're going to find women that are in their league.
	And women that are like a little bit less, they're going to find men that are less.
	That's just how they are.
	Just to state my personal opinion, I think that it's disempowering to men to think that they're going to be disadvantaged or that they lack any less value.
	And that might be true for you and the type of people that you date.
	And again, no shame against that.
	Those are your beliefs, and that's totally okay.
	What I'm saying, though, is that I don't think a man should be limited by his height, by any sort of physical appearance.
	I think that, yes, as in general, generally speaking, here, every man and every woman should work on their values, should work on their integrity, work on their skill sets.
	The girl that I was five years ago sucked at dating, sucked at dating, was a total pick-me and totally anxious girl.
	But I worked on those skill sets so that I could increase my approach in relationships and actually be an energetic and emotional match for the type of partner that I wanted.
	So I don't think that it has to be, again, disempowering to men to think that, okay, just because you're shorter, just because you have any other physical attributes that you're going to have limits, yes, there will be women out there that will not date you because of height, because of these other things.
	But again, those probably won't be the type of women that you wanted.
	No, that's exactly what he wants.
	He just can't get it instead of reality.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	It's a reality.
	There's a certain disadvantage.
	And we're painting this with such a broad brush because there are women, of course, that there's a lot of women that like tall guys.
	There's women that like shorter guys or average height guys, just like a lot of women like ladies with big honkers.
	Okay, but there's guys who love women with small boobs.
	The guys that look better, that are taller, that are better looking, they're fitter.
	They have a way bigger choice of women.
	And guys that are better looking all over.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So that's the conversation.
	Our better-looking people have better chances of succeeding and better chances of just being better.
	Is that true?
	The only way that I challenge that is just because you have a variety of options does not mean that you actually are compatible with a lot of those people.
	And at the end of the day, other than polyamorous relationships or people who get married multiple times, you only marry one person.
	Yeah, but when you have options, yeah, oh, go ahead, Holly.
	You know, it's really funny because looks are great, but it's all great to have a pretty face.
	But for me, honest to God, I can't get turned on with the man that's not a protector, provider, truly, that is a man's man.
	I think we have options of what we are.
	So, like, whatever we are, we have that option for us.
	So, if you want that, you kind of have to be on, you know, like that's just the reality of truth of life.
	Like, it's unfair.
	This is what it is.
	Let's accept reality and move on.
	So, question for you: you said that you think Chris Pine is a 10.
	Sure.
	You think you're a 10.
	Would you feel like you were settling if you dated a guy who was not, in terms of looks, not as good-looking as Chris Pine?
	If you take it from the best pee poll, like, sure, you can take that narrative.
	But again, for me, just like I believe that I'll be a 10 for my husband and a 10 for myself, I also believe my husband will be a 10 in my eyes as well.
	I don't think you necessarily need to do this.
	I think you can state the following: that you're really attracted to your partner and you think that they're beautiful, and you can maybe even be satisfied with how you look and not have insecurities or lack of self-confidence.
	But you can also make a determination, like, okay, I'm not on par with the most beautiful people in the world.
	And if I'm able to like make a hierarchy and rank order these people based off of their physical attractiveness, say, you know, the top best-looking people, if they're a 10 and you, you know, give yourself a six or a five.
	I don't think that being able to come to realistic and somewhat accurate determinations as to where you fall on the beauty hierarchy is indicative of your lack of self-confidence or your lack of attraction for your partner.
	In this case, if say a person is genuinely a five and they're dating somebody who's a five, I don't think that you need to think your partner is in terms of looks a 10.
	So, this idea of your partner will find you to be a 10.
	Like, for example, if you were dating a guy and he was like, say he was a bit more blunt and you asked him, you're like, what do you rate me?
	And he said, oh, I'd give you like a six.
	Would you.
	So I think it's a little more multi-dimensional than that.
	I think that if I was having a conversation with my husband, let's say, I think that when he looked at me and he perceived me, he would say, Emily, you're a beautiful woman and you're a 10 in my eyes.
	And then if we took it into the context of, okay, but let's take it from a societal standpoint or take it from a universal standpoint of what if you did the buzzfeed poll, what you would be rated.
	Those might not be congruent, but that doesn't mean that my husband doesn't see me as the most beautiful woman in the world or I don't see him as the most attractive.
	Would I believe?
	Of course, because those are my values.
	Here's me.
	Here's me.
	If I'm dating a girl, I would almost be upset or offended if she was like, I think you're better looking than Brad Pitt when he was 25.
	I'd be like, shut the fuck up.
	You're lying.
	But maybe she's not because she's also, if you're dating her, then she's also taking her.
	She can't separate all that because now you've got sentiment and experiences and the way you make her feel, like, she's not going to be able to separate.
	She likes me because of all those things.
	But if we're just having a conversation about looks, of course.
	I think if you're in love or in a relationship with somebody, I don't think that that pulls like wool over your eyes to the point where you can't just assess that like, hmm, okay, there is possibly somebody who could be better looking than my partner.
	Like, come on, you can't make, so once you're in love, you can't make a determination that like, okay, it's probably the case that Megan Fox is better looking than, you know, the girlfriend or whatever.
	I think, no, I think, yeah, I think we're not going to find alignment on this because, again, I don't think that it's you necessarily going, oh, does Brad Pitt have better abs than me?
	Then, yeah, she might say yes, but like in the middle of the day.
	It could be facial attractiveness too.
	I think my husband's the most attractive man.
	Exactly.
	I do have photos.
	No, I really do.
	Yeah, sure.
	But I mean, you say that.
	I do say that.
	But are you saying physically, looks-wise, he's the most attractive guy.
	Now, I can't separate how I feel about him, though.
	But is this one of those things that you say because it can come to the detriment of your relationship?
	No, I didn't have to say anything.
	The truth.
	No, I know.
	But like, for example, if my, if a girl, this, this old trope of, hey, do I look fat in this dress?
	Like, it's probably not the right move to say that she looks fat if she actually looks fat.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's probably not the right move from an interpersonal dynamic thing.
	No, I get what you're saying, but I didn't have to say anything.
	He's not here or watching this.
	No, I know.
	So in my case, I'm just being honest.
	I know, but there is a component of when you have a spouse or you have a relationship, you're going to say things to side with your spouse that might not actually be.
	And I agree with that.
	I don't entirely agree with that.
	For me and my partner, I always expect from him and from my, like for him, for me too, like to be honest and to have standards.
	Like, you know, for example, like I'm not afraid to tell the guy that I'm dating, hey, it seems like you've been letting yourself go recently, but not from a place of, okay, I am only just because I'm less attracted to, because I actually care about their health and that they're taking care of their body.
	So, and I don't want my husband to lie to me either.
	Like the guys that I've dated previously, when I go, when I'm wearing something like a different outfit and I ask them what their opinion is on it, they always give me the truth so that I don't look like a fool because they love me and respect me way too much to allow me to go out into the world and something that is not going to be appealing.
	I might disagree with their opinion where sometimes I'm like, well, actually, babe, I feel hot.
	But that doesn't mean that I don't value their opinion, though.
	Let's face it, if a guy wants to date, he's going to tell you that you're beautiful.
	He's going to blow smoke up your ass to get laid, okay?
	And, you know, if they, they're not going to come up to you and go, oh, God, you need help.
	You need to lose weight.
	You need a facelift.
	You need a tummy tag.
	They're not going to do that.
	I see freaking strangers coming up going, you're beautiful.
	And I'm looking around going, bitching.
	He thinks I'm beautiful.
	I love you too, baby.
	Where have you been my whole life?
	You know, I mean, seriously.
	I think it's better to just be like honest with ourselves and with our partners that, okay, I'm a five.
	You're a five.
	You're great.
	I love you, but you're a fucking five.
	It's fine.
	You don't have to be like, you're a 10 in my eyes because he's not a 10 in your eyes.
	Because when you see someone better looking, you know that person is better looking.
	We know that.
	But beauty's so in the eye of the beholder because I don't think you're a five.
	I think you're a nine.
	Like you're objectively really hot.
	She wants a she's already said she's not into girls and that's fine.
	But I am saying you are objectively an attractive woman and like maybe you see yourself as a five, but I see you as a nine and I'm sure I would have put you as a ten.
	Just one point of clarification.
	So beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but she's objectively a beautiful woman.
	Yeah, all right, fair.
	So if you put me in that fire, if you put me next to someone that is like, doesn't really go to a gym or doesn't have, you know, certain things that I do, and then you're going to know that person is not, it's a little bit not as good looking as me.
	And it's fine.
	That's like, I think that's what the whole conversation is.
	There's people that are look-wise, elite.
	I believe that there's people, there's elites in everything.
	There's people that are better than other people.
	And I do believe that I, honestly, this is, you guys are going to hate me, but I do believe that men in general are better than women.
	And I agree with that.
	And I will always agree with that, that are better.
	And I want them in my life.
	And I wish I had like a father figure that was better than me, that was better than my mom that took care of me, that I wouldn't be here.
	And if I had a man that is like, I want my man to be better than me.
	And that's why we're where we are in society because we don't want to agree with it.
	And then now we have woman in power and we're here arguing about if there's better looking people or not.
	Like, let's say that.
	Well, in fairness, that topic was brought up by a man.
	But so look, beauty, it's not objective in the strictest philosophical sense, but there are measurable things when it does come to beauty that are partly predictable, partly measurable.
	And I think, like, for example, universal, there are certain universals that I think you would find.
	If we were to show a really, really, really, a picture of a really, really, really ugly person and a really, really, really beautiful person, I think there would be a almost universally, now there might be a couple people who are like, I think the really ugly person is more beautiful, whether they're being honest or not, hard to say.
	But I think if, for example, 99.99% of the population agreed that the one who is really beautiful is more beautiful, that does point to some degree of there are some components of beauty that are objective.
	I think that's still not the case because, like, okay, obesity, for example, here in the U.S., that's a hard no.
	We don't like that.
	We don't see that as a beautiful thing.
	No, in Samwa, in Maori culture, and in South Africa, the bigger the better.
	They love women who are obese.
	If a woman's my size, they're like, you're way too thin.
	Wait, whoa.
	Are you trying to say that black guys like fat women?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Nope.
	Some ones are Polynesian.
	That was a very racist statement.
	Samoan and Maoris are Polynesian.
	When you say South Africa, are you talking about the Afrikaners?
	Or are you talking about the, I guess, the black people in South Africa?
	I'm talking about everybody in South Africa.
	There is genuinely, or generally, people skewed.
	So among the white population in South Africa, they prefer plump women.
	Yes.
	The body type is bigger in South Africa.
	The standard of beauty is bigger in South Africa.
	Yes.
	I think it's bigger than poor.
	Amongst both.
	I think there is countries that like bigger people, but that's because they're so poor.
	And then in Japan and in Korea and in Taiwan, it's like not really real thin.
	I mean, you can also just look at the history from the past couple of decades, like, you know, about what were the beauty standards at the time.
	Yeah.
	Okay, what?
	In the 90s, we thought that cocaine skinny was like the skin.
	Like, you had to be real thin to be hot.
	And the women who like had a little bit of pudge.
	That was a peaceful culture.
	Like, if you were plump and you were very curvy, that means you were wealthy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but that points, that doesn't necessarily point to what people find physically attractive.
	I think it would point more so towards, like, are you saying like among the peasantry, if there's a really fat person, they're like, oh shit, I can marry into a wealthy family, so I'm not starving.
	So let's not even go into that.
	Like, I don't think that has to necessarily have to do with innate physical attraction.
	If you go back to just the early 2000s, on the cover of every magazine, was Britney Spears at one point when she got a little bit of weight on her, and Jessica Simpson when she was skinnier than me.
	And people were like, how disgusting.
	They literally called her obscure.
	She wasn't real thin.
	She wasn't like when she was like 17 and 18, when she was like starting out in her prime.
	She was not, hold on, she wasn't like super model rail thin.
	Let's pull up a picture of her with a snake.
	She wasn't anorexian.
	She was definitely not.
	She had a healthy body.
	She did a healthy eye.
	She was a healthy body.
	She was super fit in tone.
	No, okay, well, fit in tones.
	But you were talking about, like, the heroin chic, like, eating disorder models.
	If you go back to the 90s, yeah.
	But also, you're saying in the 90s, Sir Mix-a-Lot, Baby Got Back, this idea that...
	That was a revolutionary song because he was like...
	When did that come out?
	In the late 80s or early 90s?
	It was, I think, 90%.
	This idea that, oh, it's only like in the mid-20s, like the, you know, with the Kim Kardashians that are more curvy.
	Hold on.
	No, that was the thing.
	Women didn't want to have, no, women didn't want to have a big butt.
	It was always, that's the whole thing.
	Sir Mixolot.
	Sir Mixolot was a revolutionary in that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Cosmo says you're fat.
	Do we have anything?
	I ain't down with that.
	Hey, do we have any, hold on, do we have any boomers in the chat?
	Did you like a big badon-kadong back in the fucking beach boy days?
	You know, you're listening, I don't know, fucking, you're at the Leonard Skynyrd concert in the fucking 70s.
	You come on, you did a lot of stuff.
	That was a whole I don't want to wear this.
	It makes my butt look fat.
	That was like a whole thing back in the 90s and the 80s.
	Like, oh, I don't want my butt to look fat.
	In that 70s show, there's a whole like scene where Mila Kunis is like, those pants make her butt look fat.
	And it's like, ew, look at her.
	Well, hold on.
	Scientology was involved with the 70s.
	I don't look.
	I'm not going to use it.
	You know, that was some crazy shit.
	You know, whatever.
	I can say that.
	I remember watching Bring It On, and one of the girls, she was saying that her butt was so big.
	And I remember watching that, like, you're complaining about having a fatty?
	But I guess like back then, during that time, it wasn't acceptable to have a big button.
	Lynn Newton John, boned skinny in Greece with John Travolta.
	That was it.
	Wearing yeah, but I mean the dittos and it was just skinny as kinny could be we have some chats we gotta read.
	We have uh oh, this is the I guess this is from Farah.
	Lucy, does Brian meet any of your standards for a boyfriend?
	Be specific, rate him.
	Is it okay for a 50-year-old man?
	I'm not 50.
	What the fuck?
	To date a 18-year-old girl and vice versa.
	Lucy, rate the other girls' looks and intelligence one to ten, be honest.
	Oh my goodness, I have to rate you and I have to rate everybody.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and do I meet your standards for a boyfriend?
	Okay.
	Well, Brian, I would say politically, I don't know you that well.
	We seem to be not super aligned.
	And I would say looks-wise, I would, I mean, you're a conventionally handsome guy, so that is fine.
	And I enjoy the shirt you're wearing.
	It doesn't apply to me, by the way, but I enjoy that representation.
	And I'm not sure how successful you are, but it seems like you do well.
	College.
	I mean, no, it seems like you do very well.
	So I would say aside from politics, and you also seem to be fairly agreeable and kind.
	So I like that.
	Wait until.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	No, go ahead.
	Okay.
	Well, because you haven't been super rude.
	So, I mean, yeah, personality-wise, looks-wise, you're great.
	Just politics, I think we don't align.
	And then rating your intelligence.
	I don't want to get into that because I don't agree with your politics, but that's okay.
	And then going down the line with all the girls.
	I think all the girls are very beautiful.
	Muscle mommy, definitely like a 9.9.
	I wish I had her physique.
	You can, just with a little bit of a war.
	Yeah.
	And the gym.
	Yes.
	And then I have to be super honest.
	I would say, I mean, you're like a very conventionally beautiful girl next door.
	So I would say like a 9.2 just because your muscles are less big, I guess.
	And then you.
	Oh, slightly compared to her.
	I don't have any muscles.
	I don't have any muscles.
	It's fine.
	My muscles is actually going to be an eating healthy.
	Can you hold on?
	Don't turn it back.
	I think you're.
	Maybe pull that.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Did my tip follow?
	It was pretty close.
	No, I don't think it is.
	All right, just if you can finish up.
	Okay, comedian.
	Quick, you don't want to hear my assessments.
	Okay.
	And then with the comedian, I love comedians.
	I also think you're very gorgeous.
	I would give you like 9.99999 just because, I mean, I have to be super realistic, I guess.
	And then for you, you're so lovely.
	I would definitely give you like a 9.8.
	I think you're gorgeous.
	I love your personality.
	You're super sweet.
	And you too, you're super kind, super pretty.
	No one here is ugly.
	So yeah, I would also give you like a 9.7 just because I don't know you well enough, but you're very natural, very beautiful.
	And you, I respect everything about you, even though we don't align on Trump or politics.
	But yeah, you have a great spirit.
	So I'm just going to give you an 8.9 just because of politics.
	And then, yeah, you're super pretty as well.
	I would also, I would give you like a 9.5.
	Yeah, and then, yeah, I guess I didn't rate Brian, our lovely host.
	I would say, politics aside, I would give him like a 9.5, I suppose.
	Did she just lie to all of us?
	All right, Pasty George, I think chair one is onto something because then why do the top 10% of men get literally thousands upon thousands of women willing to jump their pee pee's with the drop of a hat?
	Exactly.
	And everyone that says they don't care about looks or both.
	I was going to ask if I could comment on that.
	I mean, if you talk about millions of women, like I don't know what the exact population of women in the world is, but if you got millions of women, if 10% of them are superficial and will, and I say that with like with a lot of love and a grain of salt, but like if like only even if only 10% of them are that type of woman, then that's still hundreds of thousands of women that would agree with that and would jump this person's bones.
	But again, it's way less, like, yes, physically attractive people attract more types of people.
	And yes, they're going to be more likely the physically drawn women are going to date and possibly sleep with them.
	But the women who value things beyond that, above physical attraction and emotional intelligence and integrity and values, are going to be a little bit more selective than that.
	And they're not going to jump this guy's pants just for that.
	I think the women that care about those things are not superficial.
	They have bitter survival instincts.
	And I think that's what it is.
	Like the people and the women that don't have that, you guys would not survive natural selection.
	I don't think it's necessarily like is it wrong for a woman to like say a woman is really well adjusted.
	Is it wrong for her to select on the basis of physical attractiveness?
	I would say no.
	It's literally like our nature to want that.
	It's okay.
	I think the society makes us think certain things that we want is not okay because that's how they divide us and that's how they make us smaller and smaller by division.
	But when it comes to it, there's certain things that is the truth.
	But if we keep saying it's not a truth, we're lying to each other and it divides us.
	That's why we're becoming so weak and divided and everything's going to shit is because we don't want to agree with those things.
	I just think people should be realistic.
	It's like, hey, I'm average looking.
	It's hard to be real these days.
	It's the hardest thing to be real these days because I think there is a reason why everyone's being so fake and they don't want to accept reality is because it goes back to, I don't know, I have some thoughts on this that is too deep.
	But I think division is a way of like the people that are on top to have us stay small and divide us and think that we're want to stay delusional.
	But I think there is things that are just the real answer to things.
	Why does it bother you if somebody's sorry?
	I think she's been a little bit more.
	No, no, no, no, go ahead.
	Jane, I was going to say, I actually agree with you on several points with some minor tweaks.
	Like I do think division comes from the top, but also when you say it's in our nature as women to want to go for good-looking guys, I would say it's feminine to go for beauty in the sense that men, for the most part, are ingrained from day one to prioritize beauty in women and to be slightly more superficial, so to say, and when it comes to physical attractiveness.
	But I do think to your point about it being in our best survival interest to go for, you know, like a stronger man, a more of a provider man, like I think that is true.
	And also the point about how the top 20% of men get the 80% of women or whatever that statistic was.
	A lot of that I think has to do with women being more hypergamous by nature because as women, as you said, like we typically want to be taken care of, we want to feel safe and provided for.
	So it makes sense for a woman to want to go for a man who is better than her.
	And especially now with women doing better in the workforce and being more financially stable and independent, it might be a little bit more difficult to find a man who is better than her.
	So that could also be why it seems like there is more stiff competition amongst women competing for the top percentage of men.
	I think that's part of the division too.
	The fact that women are doing better than men, that's like also not naturally, it's not supposed to be that way.
	And when we say we're better than men, like you think us financially being better than men is better than men actually, because all our financial is because of men.
	So we're not really better than them.
	We just have a bunch of men taking care of us.
	You know, we judge the men that have no woman taking care of them.
	But financial, nothing about finances is natural.
	That's not something you'd find in the wild.
	Bears don't have currency.
	We could have met.
	Like I think it was better before and it was more fair years ago.
	So just generally speaking, like just on a psychology standpoint, like if you 90% of your beliefs are subconscious.
	And our reticular activating system is meant to find evidence for the thing that confirms our own beliefs.
	So different people have different truths and different realities.
	I'm not here to change your opinion or anybody else's opinion on what works for them because that's your personal empowerment and your personal choice.
	However, I am living breathing evidence, as well as a lot of the women that I interact with, that there are other values that you can live by and that there are other beliefs that you can live by and have different experiences that don't subscribe to some of the things that we're talking about here.
	So, what I always ask as a coach is really just like, do you like the results that you're getting from that mindset and that belief?
	And do you feel empowered by it?
	I didn't have this mindset before, and that's why I don't have the results that I wanted.
	I used to be a feminist.
	I used to believe in the things that you guys believe, and that's why I'm where I am.
	And there's like, then I realize when I actually mature it, and I'm no longer a 21-year-old, it's like, this is so fucking cool that I'm just like naked and I'm making millions of dollars.
	Then you start actually connecting with your natural, and then you're like, oh, that's why there's the people that are more successful, the people that are better, the people that do better in society, they think that way.
	You know, whoever thinks this way is usually better.
	They're more in shape, they have more money, and there is a reason because when you think more connected to your nature and your natural instincts, you usually do better because that's how you win.
	And the people that don't think like that, they're usually what you want.
	I don't remember it.
	To be honest, you were going to ask me why it matters.
	Yeah, why you seem to be particularly bothered by average people over-inflating their looks.
	Oh, I mean, I don't.
	It's, I wouldn't say bothered.
	I would say it's amusing to me.
	So you said, I just want average people to say that they're average.
	Why?
	I think Brian is a different value system, first and foremost.
	Like, okay, Brian, you do.
	Well, I'd say, first off, truth is important.
	So, I mean, this sort of thinking is the same stuff that is, you know, not to basically get into slippery slope stuff, but this sort of mindset and thinking is what has basically brought us to, okay, yeah, we should be allowed to give children puberty blockers.
	We should allow biological males to compete in sports with women because it feels right.
	No, but you could make the argument that there's a medical, you could make the argument that like puberty blockers to children have medical ramifications.
	And women or, you know, people who were born male, who've transitioned competing in women's sports, like you can make an argument that that hurts the other women.
	An average person saying that they're more than average looking hurts no one.
	It does nothing to anybody.
	Well, I'd like to provide a bit of pushback for you.
	And to answer your original question for why it matters.
	So if you thought that you were more attractive than you otherwise were, this is going to manifest itself in who you choose to date or who you choose to not date.
	So for example, if you think you, and it could be the case that you, here's why I want to be a bit charitable.
	Somebody could do this as a sort of confidence play to, you know, big up them, but they might actually be somewhat realistic when it comes to the people that they're going to be pursuing romantically.
	But if somebody is genuinely delusional, and you would agree with me that some people are genuinely delusional.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And they're chasing after a certain caliber or league of person.
	She rejects that there's leagues.
	I find this a bit dubious, but then they're going to be constantly, constantly disappointed.
	And this plays, this is gendered, though.
	It plays out very differently.
	If I'm constantly shooting my shot with women who are outside my league, I'm instantly rejected.
	For example, if I were to step to a woman, shoot my shot, I'm not getting a conversation.
	I'm not getting a date.
	Maybe I could get used for a foodie call.
	Maybe.
	But in any case, I'm not getting anything further.
	I'm not getting any short-term sexual access.
	I'm not going to be typically strung along for the purposes of her using me for sex for a couple weeks, a couple months.
	Conversely, women who simply by being sexually available to men can have sexual relationships with men who are outside of their league.
	But those men will never give those women anything else.
	They won't give them commitment.
	So, what ends up happening as a woman, you can test this out.
	If you make yourself sexually available to men, you're going to encounter men who, that's how women get into situationships and friend, fuck boys, and dealing with that.
	And oh, he won't commit to me.
	Who's more likely to be complaining about the opposite sex being unwilling to give them commitment?
	Men or women?
	Do you think it's men out there who are like, wow, there's this chick that's a slut, but I really want her for like long-term commitment and she won't give me commitment, but I can sleep with her.
	Is it more often the case that women are dealing with men that won't give them commitment or the reverse?
	I got commitment from somebody who was way out of my league.
	Way out of my league.
	Hold on.
	I get.
	Was he?
	Yeah.
	He was substantially out of my league in every department.
	And okay, congratulations.
	Yeah.
	Congratulations.
	So it's not impossible to find somebody who's out of your league.
	And I'll say, as a man, if you want to date women out of your league, become more charismatic, become more interested.
	Charismatic home.
	Yeah, but you say that you have one body count.
	But why don't you say one body count?
	I said I had one boyfriend.
	That's great.
	I can also point to women who I think are dating.
	Like, for example, Jeff Bezos, who's dating Lauren Sanchez or whatever.
	I think he could probably attract women who are way more attractive in like a very bunch of metrics.
	So I'm not saying that it's impossible.
	I'm just talking about a general statement here.
	So why don't you answer my question?
	Okay.
	Men.
	Generally speaking, who complains more about not being able to procure commitment from the type of people that they want?
	Men or women?
	Women, because men typically prefer, until they're ready to start a family, they seek meaningless sex.
	They seek these casual relationships.
	Women tend to look for more commitment before engaging in a sexual relationship.
	So I have a disagreement with this, and I don't think it's necessarily a gender issue.
	I think it's more of an attachment style issue.
	As somebody who's an attachment coach, people who are typically anxiously attached are going to go after people who are emotionally unavailable and not willing to give them commitment.
	So I actually coach many, many, many, many men who are dating avoidant women who are obsessed.
	And I mean that very respectfully because they're in a lot of pain, but that are actively seeking out avoidant women, wanting commitment, wanting commitment, wondering why this person won't commit to them.
	And so I have direct experience on the opposite perspective.
	So again, it's way more of an attachment thing than a gender thing.
	Wait, so you're saying the men, they're sleeping with these women and the women don't want to commit?
	Yeah.
	I don't dispute that this is something that occurs.
	However, I believe that the reverse is far more common.
	Well, men are typically more avoidant than women, no?
	You even said to yourself you weren't really hot to get married.
	You got to speak into the mic.
	You even said yourself you weren't hot to get married.
	You said why?
	Because, you know, you'd have to give up.
	I'm happy.
	Look, I'm happy to address my position on marriage.
	That's a separate conversation.
	So back to this.
	I genuinely think it's the case in terms of why it's important.
	Again, as a woman, you can get sexual access to men who won't give you commitment.
	The reverse is just, again, it can happen, but it's really, really, there's a massive differential.
	I mean, I think, again, like, that's just like your perspective.
	And hey, it might be true if you took out data, like, you know, from a big collective, it might happen more often for men or women or whatever it is.
	I'm just saying, in my experience, what I've seen is that if somebody is, it's, again, way more of an emotional maturity and attachment style thing rather than women or men or whatever it is, because there are plenty of people out there, both men and women, who are seeking connection from somebody who's just fundamentally emotionally unavailable and that they're seeking that and that they're getting into these situations.
	I think men, honestly, are probably just less vocal about it.
	Wait, so just to be clear, you're saying men who won't give commitment, this is always an indicator of them having an avoidant personality style.
	This is ridiculous.
	No, that's completely ridiculous.
	Men will happily have sex with women who they will never commit to and they don't have any avoidant dating style on the sole basis that that woman is just simply not physically attractive enough to give a relationship to.
	But they'll keep her around for the easy access to sex.
	Women's way operate that way.
	If she's perfect, if she's ready for you, if she wants to date you, if you're having sex and it's good enough that you keep coming back for it, and the only reason he won't date her is because she's not physically attractive enough.
	Yes, the woman could meet, could meet a whole bunch of his other metrics.
	But she's just, yeah, she could be pleasant to be around, all this stuff, but she's just not physically attractive enough.
	I don't know any man that thinks like that.
	That's crazy.
	Is she perfect?
	She's just not hot enough.
	I don't know if she's a human here, dealt with a fuckboy or been strung along in a situationship.
	Yeah, but the fuckboy doesn't think you're his perfect woman other than your looks.
	The fuckboy goes, oh, easy pussy?
	Cool.
	That's what it is.
	It's not like, oh my God, she's perfect.
	She makes me laugh.
	She's like my best friend.
	We get along so well.
	We're perfectly aligned in morals and our views in life.
	It's just that she's not hot enough for me.
	No, it's very common.
	So they're just not getting that attached.
	I feel like some people don't want to be in relationships.
	Your whole argument would be then that, okay, this person could be perfect for you, but if the physical component isn't there, they should still date that person anyway.
	If they love them, yeah.
	If it's your perfect person and it's just you don't find them as attractive, then that sounds like they're checking a lot of boxes.
	It hits all the boxes, but you're just not physically attracted to them.
	You're physically attracted in some way.
	You're having sex with them.
	I think you underestimate the degree to which men will engage in a casual sexuality.
	Maybe I just don't deal with men that are that.
	Have you ever had a one-night stand?
	Yeah, once.
	Once, okay.
	And have you ever been in a situationship?
	No.
	No.
	Okay, so perhaps you're a bit more discerning when it comes to who you're going to date.
	Women give sex for love.
	Sorry, am I just making this up?
	Women have never struggled to get commitment from a man.
	Women struggle to get away from that.
	Am I speaking?
	Like, is that a weird concept of struggle to get commitment that they're attracted to?
	It's not the situation that, like, she's perfect and she checks all of my boxes, but I think I could get somebody a little bit hotter.
	Like, I don't think that that's the thing that they're running into.
	Here's how I disagree with that.
	I feel like people like having options there.
	Very possible nowadays.
	It's probable that there is.
	Sorry.
	Did I interrupt me?
	No, you can go.
	Okay.
	I think it's very possible and probable that is there a collective of men out there who are just weighing their options and waiting for the better thing?
	Or that's what I was saying.
	There is a population of them out there.
	Sure.
	I'm not going to lie.
	There is a population of women that do accept that treatment from them and do accept that level of standards from them.
	But first and foremost, again, to make what you said earlier, just because somebody's not physically attracted or wants to commit to somebody does not automatically make them avoid it.
	Let me make that clear.
	However, emotional unavailability on a general spectrum is that, hey, I am not willing to commit to you because of XYZ reasons, whether it's because of your attractiveness, your morals, your values, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	So, again, are there populations out there that go underneath these beliefs?
	Yes, but I'm talking about the people who are actually, like, in my opinion, in my values, ready for commitment are looking for something deeper than that.
	Can I ask you what you personally think, if you're going to use the rating system, what is the number that you think you could max get, you personally?
	Like, what number of women?
	It varies.
	No, no, no.
	But, like, your maximum that you, if it's just looks, the maximum that you could get.
	Again, but I already stated that when it comes to attraction, there's other components besides just looks.
	I know that.
	And so there's other things that can make you attractive: status, money, personality.
	But just looks.
	Et cetera.
	I feel like, at least for me, I don't know if it's entirely fair to it wouldn't be entirely fair for me to answer this question.
	But if you were to ask an average guy, this is.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not asking an average guy.
	I'm asking, because I'm getting to another point.
	But let me ask you directly, like right now, and you can factor in your status and popularity.
	I think looks-wise, I think I could get up to a seven.
	Okay.
	But I think I'm bringing a lot of other things to the table.
	That's fine.
	Besides just looks.
	Right.
	And I agree with that.
	But on looks scale, yeah, like five.
	But you think that you could right now, just with everything that you've got going on in your life, you could attain a seven and that's the ceiling for you.
	You think that?
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay.
	With everything that you have, if you're success, you can get a 10.
	That's fine.
	I don't think you can.
	I can't get a 10 with success.
	I'm not debating what you can have, what you can't have.
	I'm saying.
	Hold on.
	It's not, I'm being realistic.
	It's not a lack of confidence.
	And that's confidence.
	That's fine.
	So you think you could get a seven and that's the ceiling.
	Totally fine.
	If you got a six right now who checked all of your boxes, she was everything that you've ever wanted in a woman, but she was a six.
	And you could get a seven.
	Are you committing?
	Oh, am I committing?
	Let's think about this.
	And she's everything I want.
	She's everything you want, but she is a six.
	Well, just to be clear.
	And you can get a seven.
	Yeah, sure.
	She can be my girlfriend.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Hey, but Brian.
	But is this like an owner?
	I wasn't trying to own you.
	I'm trying to understand your point of view on this because you're saying that there's guys who will have everything, perfect woman, but will reject her and not commit to her because he thinks that he can get a little bit better in the looks department.
	Well, hold on.
	No, no, no.
	That's not exactly what I'm saying.
	If there's a guy who say, say he's an eight or whatever, he might entertain in terms just for a short-term casual thing, a woman who's a six or a five.
	And you're adding on a qualifier of, oh, well, she also meets like all his other prerequisites.
	That was my point.
	But hold on, but men will also sleep with women who are less attractive, who also don't really meet their other like personality standards, too.
	Yeah, and they won't women do the same thing.
	And that's, yeah.
	Men will have sex with a McChicken if left to their own devices.
	We've seen that.
	But I'm saying, like, you're saying, oh, well, women aren't getting commitment just because she's not attractive enough.
	And I'm saying, well, no, she might not be attractive enough.
	What it might not be.
	But the women that do have commitment, but the men, like I get all the time, are married men.
	So how great is a commitment when they're still on the chase?
	It's but also there are plenty of women because we all have needs, right?
	And so maybe we meet a man and it maybe has never happened to our host, but we meet a man who checks some of our boxes, but not all of them, so we can entertain them for something short-term or temporary or realize this is not our forever person, but they're fine for now, which is how you get into short-term flings.
	And maybe the man wants commitment or not, but you still know in your heart that this man is not the one for you, but he will do or suffice for now.
	I would, I would somewhat agree that women have a more likely possibility of looking at a man's potential rather than seeing the reality in front of him.
	I would say that's true.
	Yeah, definitely.
	I mean, I would perhaps even we can look at cases of celebrity.
	Like, I think it's far more likely the case that if you look at somebody, I don't know, like these famous musicians, they're going to deal with a girl that that's short term.
	They're not going to give her why you dated the rapper or something.
	No.
	I can't just smile and look at you.
	Oh, sure.
	Okay.
	Got a husband.
	Okay.
	Pump the punch.
	Not like that.
	I know, I know.
	I'm just messing.
	But look, I guess what I'm trying to get at is because of this differential in terms of procuring sex, if a woman is dealing with a certain caliber of guy, she's then going to look at the guys who are actually in her, who are actually her looks equivalent, who are actually in her league.
	She's going to think she's settling for those guys.
	And she's going to keep chasing these guys who are out of her league.
	We all, look, when it comes to dating, we all want to get the best that we can get.
	The difference is, as men, we typically get rejected on the front end, whereas you women, you'll get rejected on the back end.
	So you might dispute this, but I do think it's the case that as women, you have more sexual access to men than the reverse.
	So again, if I step to a girl and she's out of my league, boom, instant rejection.
	I'm not, she's not going to be like, well, he's pleasant.
	He's making himself sexually available.
	I guess I'll fuck him like a couple times.
	Men will definitely think that.
	Like men will definitely have sex with you and not want anything to do with you.
	Here's another way I could paint this.
	If I can sleep with a girl, I have a very high confidence level that I can get her into a relationship.
	I'm very confident if I can sleep with her, I can get her into a relationship.
	I don't know if you can say the same thing about women.
	Like, do you think, like, as a woman, if you sleep with a dude, are you really confident?
	Like, how confident are you that you can for sure get him into a relationship?
	There's a lot of dudes that are willing to hang out with me and they are very, very high level and they're not willing to date me.
	They're going to go date someone that is not me and it's fine, but I can get them and it's very, it feels very good.
	Like there's been people that I've been watching since I was like 10 years old and I'm hanging out with them.
	But it doesn't mean they're going to take me serious.
	It's fine.
	It's part of their nature.
	But if I'm hanging out with them and they say they're down to date me, fuck yeah, I would date them.
	What the fuck do you mean?
	They're great.
	But that's the only people that I hang out with, I'm willing to date them because they're good enough.
	That's why I'm sleeping with them in the first place.
	I want them to like take care of me and be my man.
	That's why I'm doing it.
	But then for them, they're like, no, it's just another fucking girl.
	It's a banger.
	It's a risk.
	It's fine.
	That goes back to men's nature because that's in their nature.
	It's in their blood because they want to impregnate as well.
	What do you think?
	About which question.
	I don't know what we're talking about now.
	So I just said that if I, me as a man, if I can sleep with a girl, I have a high degree of confidence I can then get her into a long-term relationship.
	I think, at least as it applies to women, I think women are going to be far less confident in their ability just because they can have sex with a guy, Don't always necessarily translate to them being able to get them into a relationship.
	Can I ask you something?
	Because this really drives me crazy.
	Well, hold on.
	Let's let her answer.
	Okay.
	And then you can.
	I agree with you.
	I mean, there's been times like I've found a guy like hot, like physically or whatever, and then there's been like other aspects I didn't like, but like, I don't know, maybe we had like good chemistry, but there's also been times like I just want to fuck.
	Like, and we've like stayed, I don't know, a fling.
	I don't want to say like maybe situationship, but there's been also times where like I've established, like, I've wanted a relationship with him and he never wanted one, but he openly said, I don't want to date anybody, but would keep me around.
	And I was okay with that because I also was like, oh, I like being single.
	So like, you're fun.
	Like, I think we have a good time together and I'm okay with just being your fling.
	Can I ask you this, though?
	Yeah.
	I understand that maybe you were just looking for something casual just in terms of your own, like what you were looking for.
	Yeah.
	But of the men, even that you had casual encounters with, would you say that if you were looking for a relationship and they were looking for a relationship, they were at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with them.
	Or do you go slumming?
	Slumming?
	Yeah.
	Do you like when you have casual sex, you slumber?
	No, Because what I've understood is typically when women go for just a casual encounter, they prioritize in the opposite direction of how men work.
	If they're like, if a woman is maybe not as particularly interested in just a casual one-night stand, if she's going to break her rule, she's going to break the rule for the really, really, really hot, attractive guy.
	Whereas men work the opposite way.
	Men are going to, in an effort to procure said casual encounter, they're just going to get with a girl that they would never be, they would never date this girl.
	But just to get the pussy, they'll be producing that.
	I'm very picky.
	Like, granted, all my exes or whatever, none of them look alike.
	And sometimes my friends are like, who the fuck are you picking?
	But I'm also very, like, if you're like, everything matters.
	And like, I don't fuck on the first date.
	It's just like, I want to get to know you.
	And there's been times like, I don't know, I ended up hooking up with them.
	And then over time, I'm like, no, but like, you're fun enough to keep around.
	I just don't want to like necessarily deal with your stuff.
	Right.
	So you can make some sort of determination, like, okay, this person has baggage or maybe they're toxic.
	They're not the person that I'd want to be in like a healthy, loving relationship with.
	But going back to the question is, of the casual sexual encounters you've had, have you ever had one with a guy that purely on the basis of his physical looks, you would not then be in a relationship with him because, okay, you just wanted to get a nut, get your nut off her one.
	Sorry, I'm not Gen Z.
	I don't know what the fuck you guys say.
	Bust a nut.
	Get your nut off.
	Has that ever been the case?
	Or have all the men you've slept with, even the casual encounters, they were good-looking enough for you to be in a relationship with?
	Well, I think the whole good-looking one out of 10 rating is like they all look different.
	But you were attracted to all of them, right?
	I was, but it's like, I maybe like my mindset on like physical looks is jaded, but like, I don't know.
	I mean, I've like hooked up with like really hot guys and like they've said one thing and it like set me off.
	And I'm like, you're tolerable, so I'll keep hooking up with you.
	But like, eh.
	And then there's been guys where I'm like, I mean, I think like, if I'm with you, like, I think you're beautiful.
	But like, there's been guys where like, I guess you would say they're like a seven, but still in my head, I'm like, I don't know why like you're beautiful, but you're a seven to me.
	But like, yeah, I don't know.
	I'd still like to.
	Any girls here, have you guys ever had a casual encounter with a guy that on the sole basis disregard if you were not looking for a relationship?
	He had some baggage issues, whatever, that would have disqualified him from a relationship.
	But on the sole basis of his looks alone, anybody here who hooked up with a dude, who you're like, had sex with a guy, and you're, you're like, he was just not, he's not good looking enough to be in a relationship with.
	No.
	Because I can tell you that men definitely have sex with women that will never, that they're just, they're just looking for the sex.
	I've had a guy dump me because I gained weight.
	I mean, I've had sex with a lot of men.
	Well, so like, you know, that's also men and women.
	Yeah, so yeah, so like some of the men I've had sex with are definitely not attractive to me.
	But also men and women.
	Okay, but that was for work, right?
	I mean, I did it for adult work, too.
	I think there's women that do just for the funsies?
	I mean, yeah.
	Okay, well, are you a sex addict?
	No, not at all.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think that woman.
	I'm not disputing that, like, you know, women will do a pity fuck every once in a while.
	No, I did a correct looking guy.
	I used to really go for ugly men.
	I used to like really go for ugly men.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	It happens.
	I just liked ugly men.
	I've been made fun of.
	As a sort of general principle here, look, yeah, women will have a casual sexual encounter with, I don't know, whatever.
	Maybe alcohol is involved.
	Who knows?
	You got the beer goggles on.
	You're like, fuck, this guy's ugly.
	Whatever.
	I get it.
	It happens.
	But as a sort of generalized principle, I do think it's the case that there's a massive differential here when it comes to, like, if I just, I mean, we can even test it.
	But if as a guy, you just, you, you're just pleasant and you're like, want some dick, that's not really enough.
	But women will date the ugly guy because she loves him and he makes her feel good.
	Like, there's so much.
	Everybody on this content.
	Has a friend who you're like, that's him?
	And this is you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's my other criticism, though, is I think women's appraisal of men's attractiveness is very lacking in generosity.
	And women's appraisals of their own attractiveness or other women's attractiveness is very generous.
	Well, women are.
	Very generous.
	Women, we see beautiful women in every element of our lives, like just advertisements.
	You're getting beautiful women in your face.
	All day, every day.
	And yeah, in person.
	But women also tend to put a little bit more effort into their appearance on average than men do.
	Sure, I'll grant it.
	So yet, it makes sense to kind of see women and femininity as this beautiful thing that shoved down our throats every day.
	I also think then I believe in masculine and feminine polarity too, meaning that women and men have certain fundamental differences.
	And I think women are more likely to see the complete picture of somebody rather than just on the physical thing, just because women are more intuitive and internal, and men are typically just more external and visually traveling.
	And I think we have an easier time seeing a guy who is maybe not so attractive.
	We see his personality.
	You can take status and whatever into account as well.
	But sometimes you see a personality and you're like, I know he's ugly, but he's cute.
	Like, Post Malone is an ugly man.
	And that's okay.
	But like, then you see his interviews.
	I don't, I actually don't.
	I mean, he's a little, you know, a lot of tattoos.
	he's got he lost some weight though recently yeah but i'm saying like in his he's actually not a like he's not a bad looking guy Jeremy Allen White, fine.
	He's very, he's the guy from the bear.
	He looks like a rat.
	From shameless.
	Yeah.
	Everybody said, like, oh, it's Rat Boy Summer when he came out with his TV show because he was like the new hunk and he's not that attractive.
	I mean, like the character that he plays.
	But right, but you're using Post Malone as an example here.
	And he's an incredibly successful music artist, talented, creative, has a good personality.
	Like you said, he's got a lot of positive characteristics going for him.
	And also, I don't think he's not like, I don't think he's an ugly dude, to be fair.
	But if you put him working at a 7-Eleven.
	But that happens too.
	Every girl, every girl on this panel has a friend who at one time, you're like, he works at AutoZone and he's a four and he's not even that nice.
	Why do you like him?
	And they're like, I just, he makes me laugh.
	I don't know.
	Like, that happens.
	Yeah, I get that people date people, but I think I'm more looking towards, okay, what is the gravitational pull, right?
	So in terms of the gravitational pull, I think that, again, you have these women who are frankly delusional when it comes to their own self-assessment of their physical attractiveness.
	They're going to be chasing a certain caliber of dude.
	I think it's a bad recipe.
	I think it's a recipe for disaster.
	Then they're going to, and they're maybe going to move through their 20s dealing with these dudes.
	Maybe they get a situation ship.
	Maybe it's a couple months.
	Some dudes will string a girl along for months or even years, right?
	I think what you end up, what you have happening is that when it comes time to like, okay, who's going to be my husband?
	Who am I going to have kids with?
	These women are going to almost have this sort of resentment towards their partner because they done dealt with a bunch of really, really attractive dudes when they were younger because they could get sexual access to them.
	Now when they're a bit older, they're, and they're, okay, oh shit, none of these guys gave me commitment.
	But I think I'm this caliber.
	I've dealt with this caliber of man.
	Now I'm settling, even though if you actually look at both of these people, they're actually equivalent.
	They're looks equivalent.
	What are you basing this off of?
	I feel like you just wrote this story as fan fiction in your head.
	I don't know a woman that's in this position.
	You don't know?
	What do you mean?
	I don't know a woman who's like, all right, well, I slept with a bunch of really hot guys in my 20s, and now I'm in my late 30s, and I can't find a husband that's as attractive and checks all these boxes.
	What's the average age?
	So I'm going to marriage for I don't know the average age of marriage.
	You don't know?
	No.
	I believe it's, I think it's one or two years older for men, but I think it's like 29, 30 for men and maybe 27, 28 for women.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	What are they doing from 18 to 28?
	Are you asking me in my scenario?
	I'm saying, okay, what I was saying is, I don't think you're going to get women who were just sleeping with super hot guys in their 20s get to their 30s and be like, well, now I have to settle for this ugly guy and then just be mad and be like, I wish you were hotter.
	I dated hotter guys in my 20s.
	I don't know.
	And then they break up.
	Look, I'm not saying it's the case for all women.
	I don't even think it's the case for most.
	Women are looking for love.
	They want a guy that's going to be a lot of fun.
	Even 30%, 40%.
	That's a huge swath of the population.
	I don't know the precise numbers exactly.
	They are saying that I think it was by 20, what is 2030, 2040, like something like 45, 55% of women are going to be single at the age of 30 or 40, something like that.
	So the singleness, that's pretty evident here.
	But is the singleness just because standards that women are setting have gotten higher?
	Not necessarily in attractiveness.
	I get that you're saying that women are over-inflating their attractiveness, whatever.
	Don't think that that's the standard that women are staying single for.
	I think that women are staying single because they want a man who is emotionally intelligent, respectful, who they feel loves them, who is at a certain place in their career or wants a family, and who isn't just like looking for whatever the next best things might be.
	Just to be clear, the genesis, you asked me why it's important.
	And so I'm providing you with my answer.
	So I do think that it is the case that this is a phenomenon that's happening.
	And perhaps you're denying it.
	Are you saying that what I'm describing, you don't think it maps onto reality at all?
	Not in what I see in my day-to-day life.
	So you don't think, like, I don't know, if what percentage of women would you attribute that this is the dynamic that's happening?
	I couldn't even give you an estimate because I don't encounter that.
	You've never encounter it.
	No.
	I have single female friends.
	I have married female friends.
	Like, but I'm not running into anybody in that situation.
	I'm just curious, where do you live?
	Philly.
	Philadelphia?
	Yeah.
	And I work in New York primarily.
	You're in a major urban city and area.
	Yeah, maybe that's how it is out here in California.
	This is Philadelphia to, or Philly to New York City.
	It's pretty much.
	About an hour and a half train ride, yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, there's like huge swaths of women, for example, in like major metropolitan areas like New York City, where like you would think there's an abundance of options, but all these women are massively complaining about not being able to find men deep into their late 20s and into their 30s.
	And that's not because they're finding men that they're not attracted to on a physical level.
	I think it's a massive component that women have, and there's a lot of factors.
	I don't want to just put it solely on this, but I do think it is the case that because women have become accustomed to having the sexual access to a certain caliber of men, again, I think there's other components too.
	I think men need to level up in a lot of ways also.
	But I do think it's the case that once you've done dealt with a certain caliber of dude, it's very, very hard to go back to Joe Schmo, Mr. Average Guy.
	And if you're an average woman, let's be real.
	Like, here's what I see: average women don't want average men.
	That's the problem I see.
	I think it's because now the average woman is out-earning and out-performing and higher-educated than the man, than the average man.
	Okay, so I think that's the factor.
	I don't think it's attractiveness.
	I do think it is also attractiveness.
	But I would agree that it's also socioeconomically too.
	Yeah, and sure, in the 60s, our mothers or grandmothers used to settle for guys that maybe didn't check all the boxes because they couldn't have a bank account.
	But now, you can do all of them.
	You're not limited by that.
	We don't have to rely on men to survive in the same way that we did 50 years ago.
	I'm not even making an argument.
	So your standards are going to be higher.
	Right, but I'm not even making an argument about providing.
	I'm not saying, I'm saying that that is why I think you're seeing a bigger disparity because women don't need men.
	They don't need to settle for men who aren't checking all the boxes like they did 50 years ago.
	If you were a single woman 50 years ago, so women are deprioritizing the things that have traditionally made men attractive to women, and they're over-prioritizing what?
	Physical attractiveness.
	Emotional availability and support.
	Okay, hold on.
	If women are deprioritizing the things that were traditionally, the things that traditionally deemed a man attractive, which would be being a provider, then what are the things, the metrics by which women are going to find men attractive?
	They're going to be physical attractiveness.
	No, they had to.
	Do you think women in 2025 care more about looks than they did in 1950?
	No, because they had to just settle to survive.
	But do you think they care more about looks?
	Hold on.
	I think they care more about emotional availability.
	I'm not going to go ahead and grant that, but I also think society has moved way more into a superficial realm.
	I think back in the 1940s, people probably didn't, even men did not prioritize like physical attractiveness to the degree that we do now.
	Absolutely.
	That just is inherent with social media and with the gamified version of dating that we have with apps.
	Right.
	And I think we're also talking specifically about the population that is prepping for marriage, not just dating and being in pre-superficial relationships.
	Yeah.
	If you're looking for actual marriage, the reason that that metric has gone down, the reason that less women are settling is because they don't need to out of survival.
	Well, I mean, I suppose I could explain it like this.
	One thing that comes to mind, I guess, to perhaps try to articulate the phenomenon that's happening.
	Have you ever, did you went to college, right?
	Yes.
	Did you live in a dorm room where you shared a room?
	Okay, well, here locally, we have University of California, Santa Barbara.
	The college students oftentimes are in dorm rooms up to two, three, four people in a room.
	There's bunk beds, right?
	And then sometimes there's like a shared shower between two dorm rooms, so eight people to a shower.
	Yes, or there's like communal, I'm familiar with them, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So it's very hard, like once you get out of college and then you go, say you have a good career, and then you get your own place and you have your own room in your own bathroom.
	It becomes really hard to go back once you've had that experience of having your like own private space, to go back to have like a bunk bed and having a not a housemate, a roommate.
	In that same way, once women have dealt with a certain caliber of dude, it's going to be really hard to then like potentially downgrade.
	Women want love.
	It's as simple as that.
	You don't want love.
	Why are you making it also also something that people do, and I think men do this too.
	I I call this the sort of amalgamation effect.
	So you, you let's say you've dated five people and each one of those five people have had like a specific characteristic about them that was ideal, so maybe one, for example, for when it comes to women and what they find attractive.
	One boyfriend, he was really funny.
	The other boyfriend, gray in the sack.
	The other boyfriend was rich.
	The other one was really good looking.
	And then you, you've seen all these characteristics in individual boy, and some of them might have multiple of these characteristics.
	Uh, but now you've had all of these experiences and you now want to.
	What you want is an amalgamation of all these positive characteristics that you've encountered in dating.
	The reality is, I think you got to pick two, but if you get two, that's it.
	Well, you're the one saying that men won't commit if they can't get the one which is the most attractive.
	I didn't say that.
	We had a whole 40 minute conversation about it.
	What restate the position?
	You said that there are men that will not date women just because they're not.
	They'll sleep with them, but they're not attractive enough to date them.
	And I said, if they have all the no, he said date.
	Yeah commit, commit to commit.
	Right relationships I I consider an exclusive dating relationship.
	Let me just really quick to that and then i'll let you do it.
	So okay, they've.
	They've actually done a study on this, and they asked men if we could give you 80% of what you want.
	And I forgot, I forget the exact numbers, but maybe should we look at that?
	It doesn't really matter.
	I'll just say that a higher proportion of men said, Oh, yes, 80% of what I want in the partner, that's fantastic.
	I would love that.
	I will, I don't know if the term is settle, but I will accept 80% of the things I want.
	Maybe they're missing 20%, whatever.
	You do that same thing with women, and they say, Nope, I'm not settling for 80%.
	I want it all.
	Who did that study?
	It was literally, it was a poll.
	I don't know.
	It was a Facebook poll.
	It was BuzzFeed.
	It's been done.
	We can pull it up.
	Nick, can you try to find it because she's because I don't believe that.
	I think it's probably 80% for both genders.
	That's my assumption.
	80% of what they want.
	Let me see if that finds it.
	I know.
	I'm BuzzFeed.
	I feel like you know what I'm saying.
	That's why I was like, yeah, a Facebook poll.
	Yeah.
	Not against him.
	No, I know.
	I feel like if you really like the person, that's where compromising communication comes in, though.
	Because there's been guys where I'm like, I really don't like this little thing about them, but I'm like, I'm going to tell them how I feel.
	If they're going to handle it and be a dick, then I don't want you.
	If they're open to trying, then I'm going to continue trying to see if maybe a relationship is in the books with them.
	Sure.
	It depends on your personal deal breakers.
	Yeah, that too.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	I'll say for me personally, I, with you know, my last relationship, I cannot imagine like that was incredible on all levels.
	And while it's hard for me to imagine being in another relationship, I know I'm 30 years old and there is a possibility that that could happen for me at some point.
	It's what was that a shock to?
	Go ahead, got it.
	Oh, yeah, big scary number.
	But yeah, I mean, I know that that's a possibility, but it's like, I can't imagine that there's going to be another person that measures up to every area of life that he had all his success in.
	So just to be clear, you're going to be comparing all your future potential partners to your ex?
	I mean, I don't, I don't know.
	I'm seven months out.
	I don't know.
	We need to read a couple chats here.
	And Nick, you probably.
	Oh, the question is, and here, why don't we pose it?
	Maybe I should have asked it first.
	Would you be willing, going around the table, to settle for a guy who meets 80% of your standards?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	I gave it away.
	Yeah.
	Would you?
	I would say, you know, like, if we're willing to work together about things that we need to change, then yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's do some chats.
	Nick, do you have the age thing pulled up?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Pacey George, a lot of mid-to-ugly women, including fat ones, go to Africa simply to get pork by the black men there because the men in their own countries are avoiding them like the plague because of feminism.
	Is this a phenomenon in like Jamaica or something?
	I think I've heard about that.
	Jamaica, Nigeria, and Tunisia are the three hotspots for female sex together.
	Pacey George, he says, chair four, don't be simple.
	It's women's biological instincts that drives them to go for the best possible mate.
	You can't fight biology just as a trans person can't be something they're not.
	Okay.
	There's Pacey George again.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	If I met a woman who is everything that I wanted, she would be my girlfriend.
	But the moment I find out that she has a high body count, has baggage, or has any feministic influence, she is dumped.
	Show of hands.
	Who here is a feminist?
	Oh, damn.
	Okay, we got some feminists here.
	Going around the table super quick, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	So you're 25.
	Will you be better looking at 35?
	No.
	You're 23.
	Will you be better looking at 33?
	No.
	You're 30, better looking at 40?
	Probably.
	Better looking at 50?
	It depends on how much I'm making.
	Can you tilt your mic down just a bit?
	Sorry.
	Or posture works too.
	60, 30 years?
	Probably not by 60, but who knows with medical science.
	So better looking at 50 versus 30?
	Definitely better looking at 40 than 30.
	50 again, it just depends on where I am financially.
	And then going back 10 years, were you better looking at 20 or now at 30?
	No, now at 30.
	Okay.
	Why is that?
	Just.
	I was morbidly obese.
	Okay, that probably checks out.
	23, better looking in 10 years' time at 33?
	Different, but still good.
	So, and by the way, you can say just as good looking too, I guess.
	Yeah.
	So just as good looking, more better looking?
	Just as good, just different.
	Okay, 43?
	20 years' time?
	Same answer.
	30 years, 53?
	Same answer.
	40 years, 63?
	Same answer.
	50 years, 73?
	Same answer.
	60 years, 83?
	Same answer.
	70 years, 93?
	That's all going to be the same answer.
	80 years, 103.
	I don't know how the human body can survive that, but it's not.
	I mean, people can live to 100.
	So do you have a sense of when you'll peak?
	I don't really.
	I mean, you might not like this answer, but I think women will just look different over time.
	And subjectively speaking, again, if you take the BuzzFeed poll, I'm sure other people will disagree, but I think I'll just look different, not any better or any worse.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you're 20, or wait, hold on.
	You're 31, excuse me.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 41?
	Yes.
	20 years' time, 51?
	Yes.
	30 years' time, 61?
	I would say yes.
	40 years' time, 71.
	At that point, I might start to croak a little bit.
	That's the, okay.
	And then you're 31, were you better looking at 21 or better looking now?
	I would say now just because I've taken better care of myself.
	Do you have any photos of you when you're 21?
	Yes, not on me, but I know.
	On your phone?
	Yeah, I mean, they exist, yes.
	Okay.
	Maybe when you go back there, you can send them and we'll do a let the audience decide.
	Okay, you're 25, better looking in 10 years?
	Yeah.
	20 years, 45?
	I'll be about the same.
	Same.
	Yeah.
	30 years, 55.
	Maybe then I'll start being a little.
	25 to 55, better looking when.
	I feel like I'd peak around like 35.
	Because like now from like even years ago, I feel like I was always like good looking, but I've taken a lot better care of myself and I see it progress.
	So I'm like, I think all of us are gross.
	All right, Holly, into the mic if you can.
	You're 62, better looking in 10 years' time, 72.
	I'm just going to sail it on through.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to look like this for, and I'm going to be wearing the same thing too.
	This is my uniform.
	Forever, it's her uniform.
	All right.
	And then going back in time, 10 years ago, 52, better looking or better looking now?
	Let's just.
	Into the mic, into the mic, into the mic.
	Okay.
	18 to about 22.
	I was smoking hot.
	It hit the fan when I was 28 to about 32.
	Wasn't looking so good.
	It hit the fan.
	Yeah.
	About.
	I got really smoking hot at 42 and I didn't even know it.
	It was other people telling me that.
	Okay.
	I think that sufficiently answers my question.
	Thank you.
	You're 20, 27.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 37?
	I think I'm going to still look beautiful.
	But will you be better looking?
	I thought we have the option to say, like, we were going to still look good looking.
	Well, you can say you'll be just as good looking.
	The question is, will you not be attractive or be attractive?
	You can still be attractive as you get older, but it's a comparison.
	I think I'll be just as good looking.
	Just as good looking.
	Okay.
	20 years' time, 47.
	Yeah.
	Just as good looking, more good looking.
	So from 27 to 37, not better looking, but just the same.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	57, 30 years.
	67, 40 years.
	Yes.
	77, 50 years.
	Yes.
	87, 60 years.
	I would hope that I'd be dead by then, but yeah.
	97, 70 years.
	Same answer, but yeah.
	107, 80 years.
	Ooh, 100 is too long to live.
	I should be dead by then for sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	So wait, and you said you just, you will keep getting better looking, right?
	No, just different.
	Just different.
	Like, I'm going to do my best to take care of my body, eat good nutrition, and use the resources I have available.
	But yeah, I think that I'll just look different in that beauty is different in every age.
	Okay.
	I mean, all right.
	It's an answer.
	My mom wasn't attractive in her 20s, but in her 30s and 40s, she was smoking hot.
	Like, she got better with age.
	Love to see it.
	I mean, I'd have to see the photos.
	I can send you photos, but yeah, she was.
	Yeah, my mom's still kind of cooked in her.
	No, she's always been very, very skinny.
	It's her face and her hair.
	She just, she kind of, I don't know.
	It's just one of those things.
	She got better looking with age.
	All right.
	I mean, this whole age thing, I just feel like you guys, like, you say you'll be, who here thinks they'll be better looking as they age?
	Because I know some of you said, I'll be the same.
	Who here thinks better looking as you get older?
	Okay, you three.
	You said 45.
	You said, I don't know if you're giving me your trolling answers or whatever.
	And then.
	I think probably 45 will be a peak.
	But again, it depends on.
	Because I'll get plastic surgery.
	Let me ask you all three of you a question.
	If I could wave a magic wand that would outwardly advance your age outwardly.
	So just to be clear, you're not going to die sooner.
	You're going to live just as long as you would otherwise live.
	You're not going to get any health problems anytime sooner than you would otherwise get them.
	I will just simply advance your outward appearance 10 years or 20 years.
	You stay there for however much the length of time is that you think you'll be at your peak or whatever.
	Do you take it?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So just to be clear, and again, you still, you're not going to die anytime sooner.
	Yeah.
	You guys would age advance yourself because you guys think you'll look better then.
	I'm going to be 30 pounds lighter within the next year.
	And I would love if you could just wave a wand and that would be the case like right now.
	So yeah, you need time for that to happen.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	I think you're misunderstanding.
	So you would remain your same weight.
	I'm saying that by the end of this, with my current trajectory, I'm going to lose.
	It's not, I've had all these interventions in this period of time.
	I'm literally instantaneously just changing, like all the change, like assuming you didn't make any changes, you're just aging, advancing.
	And I'm not allowed to get plastic surgery and I'm not allowed to lose weight or make any changes like that.
	So, well, let me ask you this.
	Take you and say you don't do anything.
	Okay.
	Everything kind of mostly stays the same.
	10 years down the road.
	And then in the next year, you're competing with your 10-year-older self and you both get to lose weight.
	You both lose weight at the same rate.
	You're saying that 45-year-old you would be better than 35-year-old or 30-year-old.
	We both have the same access to weight loss and plastic surgery.
	Then I'll just stay how I am.
	That's it's easier to work with.
	Like it's less, you know, aged skin is harder to work with if you're going from a cosmetic person.
	What about you?
	Or we're just going like off of looks?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it depends what I'm going for in life.
	I feel like, yeah, I would like to stay 35.
	I don't know.
	Because like I look back on myself like even a few years ago and like I was cute, whatever, but like I take better care of myself.
	But did you say you'd be better looking at 45?
	I think you did.
	No, no, I think I would like that would be like my peak, but I'd be happy at 35.
	Like I feel like.
	But when you say peak, you will be more attractive at 45 than 25.
	I think I have the capability of looking hotter, yeah, or looking better than I am now.
	But okay, so if that is the case, and I think we all want to be as physically attractive as possible, don't we?
	Yeah.
	You'll stay looking as that 45-year-old for 20 years.
	So instantaneously, right now, I make you look like you're 45.
	Right now.
	And you, again, you're not going to die anytime sooner.
	You're not going to have any health problems anytime sooner.
	But I instantly make you look like you're 45.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Why not?
	No.
	I like the 35.
	I don't know.
	Okay, fine.
	35.
	Did you just get it?
	Yeah, I would.
	I don't know why.
	I just would.
	Because I feel like at that point, I always feel like I've been progressing.
	Tell you what, here's what we're going to do.
	You're like, women are the 30s.
	I will.
	You know what?
	Forget the magic wand.
	I will pay to give you plastic surgery to age you to 35.
	We'll pay for it.
	And on top of that, I'll give you $10,000.
	What surgery is that?
	No.
	There's probably, I'm sure there's a plastic surgeon that can fuck your face up and make you look older.
	We're not going to fuck your face up, but we're going to do some sort of cosmetic procedures that are going to start giving you a little bit of wrinkles, a little additional sun damage, whatever it is.
	You know, because over 10 years, there is going to be some physical changes.
	But also depends if you're taking care of yourself or not.
	Or tell you what, well, we could also do, if you don't want to do cosmetic procedures, even though you seem to say that you'd be better looking and we'll pay for it fully and we'll pay you just for doing the experiment.
	I'll give you $10,000.
	Will you do it?
	Well, first off, will you do it?
	No.
	Okay, how about this?
	I will hire a makeup artist, one of the best.
	You live in LA, right?
	Yeah, I do.
	I will hire a makeup artist for the next year, every single day, to come to your house and make you look older so you get to remove it.
	It's nothing permanent.
	I feel like I'd be happy at 35.
	Like, I'd look back at my 25-year-old self and I'm like, damn, like, I look better.
	So are you down with that, though?
	Can we say here, you know, we're going to get into our next segment here.
	Lot to get through.
	So we are going to do, we put all of you through AI and we age advance all of you.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm excited.
	So, yeah, let's.
	All right.
	You got it ready to go.
	We're all going to look better.
	Can we skip me?
	How far are we going to get to that?
	I don't want to fire myself.
	I'm actually pretty excited.
	I want to get back to my face.
	These AI programs, they mess me up.
	I don't know how far are you?
	I was tired of water when I was 21, then 25.
	Ready?
	Yep.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, my God.
	Honestly, you're actually pretty.
	I got to see you.
	I can literally end my fucking existence if I look like that.
	I'm stopping.
	You actually look really pretty.
	I will pay any surgeon.
	It's a natural process.
	I don't care.
	It doesn't look better than right now.
	All right.
	Next.
	Can we go next?
	Oh.
	Oh, she's cute.
	She's cute.
	Okay.
	You look so sweet.
	Very cute.
	I mean, I look nice, but you look like you would judge me.
	That is future you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	I'm so excited.
	Aw.
	I feel like I've seen her.
	Oh, she looks so Sicilian.
	Oh, that's your eyes are popping.
	Yeah.
	Actually, that's making me a little bit emotional.
	Yeah.
	Well, you think you should get better in the middle one and the end one and this one?
	They're all so cute.
	And I feel better, though.
	I had a near-death experience recently, and I don't know.
	That's just cool to see.
	The hell, cash.
	Oh, my goodness.
	That's just cool to see.
	Is this?
	Yeah, I need a second because that's like really.
	That's nice.
	I'm going to take a minute.
	It wasn't that bad.
	So anyways, uh...
	Next.
	She looked good at all.
	It's a dick.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Why do you say, hey, you said, I'm just going to keep getting better.
	No, she said she's going to get different.
	Okay.
	She said different.
	All right.
	Different.
	That's definitely different.
	Next.
	Next.
	It was like happy tears in a weird way.
	I look like a witch.
	I think this is inaccurate because Asian people don't age like that.
	Well, you threw it off with your fake contact lenses.
	Oh, my.
	Well, I'm blind.
	I need to see.
	Did they need to be colored?
	Well, I have a sponsorship with them.
	So they give me free lenses.
	I feel this.
	I'm on the same wavelength as you.
	You have a contact lens sponsorship?
	Yes.
	Happy Kristen.
	Oh, you have them?
	She has them.
	Okay.
	Wait, what's it called now?
	Happa Kristen.
	Isn't that like offensive now?
	No, not at all.
	No, Hapa just means like half white, half Asian.
	That's all.
	I thought Asian people said that was offensive.
	I don't know.
	Whatever.
	Next.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, that's sweet.
	No way.
	Oh, God.
	So pretty.
	I don't know what to say.
	That's sad.
	We can do it if you want.
	We'll get the plastic surgery done to make it happen.
	All right.
	Next.
	Hey.
	That was cold.
	That was cool.
	Who did that?
	That is so cool.
	Yo, what the fuck?
	That is so lessyable.
	What the fuck?
	Nick.
	Jesus Christ, bro.
	I know what kind of car you drive and I know where you live.
	Oh, shit.
	She's going to come get you, bro.
	She's coming for you.
	All right, next.
	That is crazy.
	I look like a Lola.
	Oh, crazy.
	What's a Lola?
	A grandma.
	Oh.
	A nola.
	Yeah, but in Tagalog.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	You?
	It's better than usual.
	It could be worse.
	All right.
	And then we have me next.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Oh, this is an old phone, though.
	That's the one.
	Damn, they don't have to be awesome.
	He looks so happy.
	He looks good.
	Cute.
	Yeah.
	All fucked up.
	You look so innocent.
	Like, I would hang out with you.
	I did.
	The last one looked like a lot of us, to be honest.
	Because I don't even think your last one looked like you.
	That's what happened.
	Yeah, I think the middle ones, the middle ones seem kind of accurate, but I don't know.
	The last ones look very like.
	And now what we've done is we've changed your guys's gender.
	Do we have the gender swap or something?
	Oh, let me see.
	And my.
	I will.
	Do we have four?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I didn't know.
	Sign up for this.
	So the question.
	I thought we were talking about it.
	Oh, let me read the super chat really quick.
	Lucas, chair three comedian, fancies herself a highbrow intellect calling us MAGA folks bricks.
	Brian, to avoid any asseverations, assevarations.
	I think he meant accusations of misogyny.
	Why don't you bring back Leonardo Johnny to have it out with chair three?
	Oh, that'd be interesting.
	Oh, Leonardo and I know each other.
	Kind of.
	I'll do that.
	I suspect it would be a cat fight beat.
	Yeah, she's cool.
	I'd do that.
	And then Pacey George, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	So, the question you're going to ask yourself is: would I date my male cat?
	Me.
	I don't want to know if you said no because I like white guys and I'm not white.
	All right.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Why did I look Chinese, though?
	Like, that is.
	I think it's your eyeliner.
	I would say that's a good one.
	You look like Latino.
	Never mind.
	I look like I destroy villages.
	You're Chinese.
	Make us small.
	Can you do smaller?
	Yeah, I would.
	I would.
	Honestly, I usually am into.
	Yeah, click that.
	Click write small.
	All right.
	Just write small.
	See, can you just drag it into the corner?
	It should be able, it should magnetize.
	No, wait.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Drag it.
	It should magnetize.
	Yep.
	Let's do that.
	Perfect.
	Nice.
	We'll just leave it there.
	So would you date the male version?
	I really thought the answer would be no, but.
	Honestly, I would say.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Smick.
	I don't know.
	But no, probably not.
	That looks Asian.
	You don't like Asian guys?
	I like Asian.
	No, I'm well.
	Whoa, what the fuck?
	If I had to choose, it would be.
	Actually, I like Asian and white guys.
	That's kind of, but white guys.
	All right.
	Next.
	Whoa.
	Whoa.
	Okay.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	With the beard?
	He's not bad.
	He kind of looks like an actor.
	Yeah, maybe with the beard.
	Not the other one.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I would fuck you.
	I am the spitting image of my brother.
	That's weird.
	So no.
	Because of that.
	Okay.
	He's handsome, but no.
	All right.
	Next.
	I do not.
	I was meant to be a woman, let's do that.
	Skip.
	I look like I sell drugs.
	I think the messy bun messed it up.
	I think it's the hair that did something.
	Oh, God.
	Essentially, not bad.
	Swipe left.
	The middle's not bad.
	No, no.
	You look like a magician.
	$10 million.
	You look like Mega Mind.
	That's what I look like.
	With the beard.
	That'd be perfect.
	Stop by that.
	I mean, look.
	You look like a magician.
	What do you rate that guy?
	Is he a 10?
	Is that a 10?
	Because you're a 10, guys.
	You were born to be a woman.
	Yeah, I was definitely born to be a woman.
	But what do you rate that guy on a scale of 1 to 10?
	Questionable.
	Into the mind continues.
	Oh, sorry.
	Questionable.
	I'll have to debate on that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	This is what it is.
	All right, next.
	No.
	He looks like my male cousin.
	Oh, no.
	I definitely would not.
	You don't like.
	He's not.
	The middle sound's really cute.
	You don't like Asian guys?
	No, it's not bad.
	I just don't like how I look as a guy that's okay.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Damn.
	Ew, I look like my dad.
	Nice.
	He's kind of handsome.
	You guys handsome.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Would you date the male version of this?
	No, no.
	You kind of look Asian, though, too.
	What?
	It did turn a lot of the panel Asian.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Hey, get in the guy.
	I'm here.
	I'm here.
	Okay, get ready.
	Next.
	If you stand again.
	Oh, he is.
	Oh, my God.
	You look like someone I know.
	I know.
	I get right there.
	Look at that dude.
	Wait, it looks like who's that comedian?
	No.
	No.
	Timothy Dylan.
	Wait, Timothy.
	Is it Timothy Dillon?
	Yeah, Tim Dillon.
	Tim.
	Oh, Tim Dylan.
	A little.
	The middle one's Tim Dylan.
	The middle one's brunette Tim Dillon.
	I swear that face is so pretty.
	Wait, can you Google Tim?
	Yeah, the middle one is Tim Dylan for sure.
	I think, I'm sorry.
	I'm in love with myself at the far right.
	I'm serious.
	Meg, why would that?
	Nice.
	I need to get that photo.
	Nice.
	It's like that's who I've been looking for.
	What's my problem?
	Research Discord.
	That's him.
	Oh, but yeah.
	I can kind of see it sleep it.
	A little bit.
	All right.
	Let's go next.
	Let me know when you're ready.
	I want that photo.
	How do I get it?
	Oh, okay.
	Can I see it again?
	That's quick.
	Not bad, honestly.
	You look good.
	I would probably date myself.
	Handsome.
	She looks like a nice guy.
	Nice one.
	Nice skin.
	Great skin.
	Yeah.
	Handsome.
	The far right one's like hot.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, oh, this one's actually handsome.
	That's like boy band.
	Yeah, baby.
	Hey, Felicity, come on.
	Usually it does you dirty.
	Like this one's pretty good.
	Why the ears every time?
	It did add weird ears.
	Yeah, it has a.
	We know what you're hiding behind your ears.
	I'm not hiding anymore.
	Here, pull your hair back, Felicity, so we can see your ears.
	Wow, those are normal.
	I think you have great ears.
	They're normal.
	They're even normal.
	Show them again.
	Look at that.
	Look at that girl.
	She pops.
	Okay, next.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Oh, she's a bottle.
	I would.
	So, yes, but I would be scared.
	Scared?
	She does have an intense stare about her.
	She looks a little crazy.
	Very intense.
	I would be a little frightened.
	Looks like a clingy, like.
	I thought you liked clingy, Brian.
	You like a woman who's only about crazy ex-girlfriend.
	I need to get up for a bit.
	Felicity's going to ask you guys some questions, though, unless you guys have something you'd like to discuss amongst yourselves.
	Spicy.
	That was really cool.
	I liked that a lot.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How tall are you?
	And what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	Starting with you.
	I'm 5'5.
	And I don't know.
	I dated short guys before.
	Like 5'8, 5'9.
	It depends.
	I honestly don't really have like, they can't be shorter than me.
	But if I had to pick, obviously it would be like, I don't know, 5'10 at least.
	But I don't really care that much.
	I mean, I do, but I don't.
	I'll take what I can.
	What about you?
	I'm between, I don't know.
	I'm sometimes 4'11 and sometimes 5'.
	I'm gonna say 5' I'm 5'10.
	I usually date shorter guys.
	So I would say I probably shortest I would date is 5'5.
	It's like the shortest I have dated.
	So I don't really care, though.
	I'm 5'4, and as long as you're 5'4, it's fine.
	Okay.
	I'm 5'8.
	I've dated taller and shorter guys.
	So I'm open to both.
	I have liked my experience with taller guys, but again, it's really not the contributing factor.
	I probably wouldn't date somebody with necessarily like dwarfism as a personal preference, but height's not a big thing for me.
	When you guys say shorter, you mean, do you mean shorter than you?
	Yeah, he was shorter than me.
	Oh, really?
	How tall was he?
	He was like probably three or four inches shorter than me.
	So what is that?
	Like 5'4, 5'5?
	5'4?
	Yeah, something like that.
	5'4'5.
	How long did you date him?
	So one of them I dated for a year and a half.
	That was actually my longest-term relationship.
	And then, yeah, he was like a cute little Italian guy.
	It was great.
	And then, yeah, I think the other one was like probably right around like an inch shorter than me.
	He was also my other long-term relationship right underneath a year.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	I've never met a girl that dated a guy that was shorter than her.
	Like shorter than her by a lot.
	What about you?
	Well, I'm 5'3, so I would prefer that the guy be taller than me.
	And I used to think this guy was the limit until I went out with some guys who were 6'8, and then my nose was at their belly button.
	So I feel like that was too tall.
	But yeah, pretty much open to any height.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'2.
	I mean, I prefer taller.
	I've dated guys like, as long as they're taller than me, I'm fine with that.
	I just get mad when they start lying because I've had the habit on like online dating.
	Like I've dated men that are 5'6.
	I prefer like 5'8 and above, but I've had a guy lie put that he was 5'10 and I met him and he was like 5'6.
	And I'm like, but yeah, as long as they're taller than me.
	Yeah, no, it's so bad.
	More often than not.
	They're like 5'10.
	And then like they come up and I meet them and I'm like, why am I looking at your nose?
	Like you're not 5'10?
	Like, why are you lying?
	Like you just ruined, you just ruined your shot.
	Like, the guy was like, you have to be 6 feet.
	I was like, I'm not.
	I'm 5'5.
	Yeah, he was like, you have to be.
	No, no.
	And what about you, Holly?
	5'9 and 5'9.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I'm 5'1 and I don't really have a preference for height.
	I feel like most men that I've met have been taller than me anyways.
	I've honestly never met a man who wanted to date me who was shorter than me.
	So I don't know.
	I mean, I'm pretty open to it, but like I said, 5'1, I don't think I've met many men who are shorter than 5'1.
	Has anyone else ever been with a guy where they're like, you're too tall?
	Like, it's awkward.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've not been with, like, sexually, but like, I've dated a guy and I was like, this is not gonna happen.
	How tall was he?
	He was seven foot.
	That's too tall.
	Wait, what?
	That's too tall.
	That's really tall.
	He couldn't fit in normal cars.
	And we talked about that for like an hour.
	And I'm like, I can't.
	I can't do your side.
	I'm not 6'5 ⁇ .
	I feel like I can't.
	I slept with somebody who was 6'7.
	Nice.
	And that was like a lot.
	If I can't kiss you on my tippy toes, I can't.
	Yeah.
	i have a love-hate relationship because i was with uh oh go ahead Sorry, I didn't interrupt.
	I was with a guy that I was dating for.
	He was like 6'6.
	And so, like, I can only imagine the neck cramps that he got bending over trying to kiss me.
	But, like, I kind of like it at the same time.
	I think tall men are for tall women.
	Like, if they're 6'6, I'm not going at that.
	Yeah, same.
	But tall guys like short women.
	Like, people say women always go for taller guys, which is like, that can't be true.
	But a lot of tall guys do prefer short women because they like the height difference too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm not going to lie.
	If a guy is like 6'5 or taller, that's kind of scary for me.
	Like, oh, you're so tall.
	I'm literally looking up at you.
	I don't want to be looking up.
	You know what?
	I had this friend.
	She was 4'9, and her boyfriend was 6'7.
	That's usually on a crazy end of the spectrum.
	I think that's what happens.
	But also, the opposite end of the spectrum happens too.
	Like, I was on a date with a guy the other day, and he loved that I was like towering over him because he was like, oh, you're going to make me look so good to my bros.
	I do.
	I'm fucking the short guy.
	I know.
	I don't know.
	I have a kingspring.
	I have a friend who's a dude who is 5'4, and his girlfriend is a model, and she's 6'1, and they're the cutest thing ever when they hold hands.
	It's adorable.
	Does he go like this?
	Yeah, kind of.
	That's cute.
	The guy has to go for uppies to get a kid.
	I know.
	That's cute.
	Okay.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Starting with you on this question.
	More than me, what I have now.
	Like more.
	I mean, at least like, I don't really know.
	It depends on the man, to be honest.
	If someone's like actually very manly and they don't make that much, maybe I'll be okay, but probably at least 500k a year.
	Okay, what's like the minimum you would do?
	The minimum?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Honestly, I would like a, yeah, maybe like 300K a year.
	Minimum?
	Yeah, but it's, but I'm not saying that because I know I'm not saying that because I'm just like, oh, like, but it's because I have like properties and stuff like that.
	I think it's emasculating for a man to date someone that has more than him.
	So I tried to date guys that had less than me, and it just, it feels bad for them too.
	It's not only me.
	Like, I'll work around it, but like, they just don't feel like a man around me, and it's fine.
	So that's why I say that.
	If I was some girl that makes like three grand a month, I would say, like, yeah, if he makes 5k a month, I'm okay with it.
	You're thinking Canadian, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I definitely agree with you because I have definitely met men who have said that like when they're in a relationship with someone, they do want to be the one that makes more because like they've admitted themselves, like if a woman makes more than them, it makes them feel less of a man.
	It makes them insecure.
	And I don't agree with them.
	I don't think they should be insecure, but I definitely like see where you're coming from.
	Yeah, I just don't want to make a man feel emasculated, to be honest.
	That's my only if I was lower that I would if I was making less than what I make, I would be okay with that.
	But also that's kind of unfair because what I do.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Nothing.
	Nothing?
	No.
	Well, you did say you want a stay-at-home husband.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	And your husband is a stay-at-home husband, right?
	Yeah, when we met, he was in the military.
	So, and they don't pay that much.
	But now he's just kicking it.
	Okay, cool.
	He just takes my photos and videos.
	And you guys share a bank account or kind of.
	You give him an allowance?
	No, like, he has my credit cards.
	Do you want to be my boyfriend?
	Sean?
	He like holds, I mean, he has like all my cards all the time.
	Like, I do very like typical, like, feminine things.
	Like, I cook, I clean, kind of.
	He holds the money, but I mean, he doesn't spend it.
	Like, he's not crazy with like spending it.
	So he's got kids.
	Is he going to get pregnant?
	Is there like a limit for him?
	No.
	No.
	He doesn't.
	He doesn't like do crazy things with money.
	So what do you mean when you say stay-at-home husband?
	Because you said you cook and you clean.
	What does he do?
	It's not really like a, like, he just helps me, really.
	He films my content.
	Okay.
	Kind of like an assistant.
	Yeah, kind of.
	Okay, cute.
	What about you?
	I'd want him to match what I make or more.
	Okay.
	So for me, as an entrepreneur, I think it's highly likely that unless I date a fellow entrepreneur or business owner, I'll probably make more than him.
	So, what's more important for me is that he can take care of the bills in case I get incapitated in some way.
	Like, especially if I get pregnant and I have a child with him, the first three years is really fundamental for the mom to be as present as possible or have a caregiver.
	So, if I can be off of work when I have children, not saying that I necessarily would, but just to have the capability, I think that's what's important to me.
	So, as long as he can take care of the basic bills, if I get out of work or that if I get pregnant, that's what I'm okay with.
	Is there like a specific number range or just like something to I it depends because it depends on where we live.
	I don't know.
	If you just take the general cost of living, if I live in California, that would be fine for me.
	Where are you from?
	I'm originally from Huntsville, Alabama, but I'm in Orange now.
	Orange County?
	Yes.
	Okay, okay.
	Or Orange the City, yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, so I would say I it's not a deal breaker, but I would prefer the man makes more than I do just because in the past, when I've outearned the man, the power dynamic gets skewed, and I feel like I become the daddy in the relationship.
	And I don't like that.
	Um, I very much enjoy being a passenger princess and having my doors open and things like that.
	So, I would prefer to be the baby in the relationship.
	You are quite feminine.
	You kind of remind me of like a Disney princess.
	Thank you.
	I love you.
	You do have like that nice, like, soft voice that, like, a Disney princess would have.
	Oh, thank you.
	Well, if any masculine men want to slide in my DM.
	But, um, is there like a specific number range you're thinking of?
	So, since I live in LA, I just feel like a minimum six figures because otherwise it's really difficult just to get by comfortably.
	So, 100,000?
	Probably.
	I mean, which also feels kind of low for LA, but also I'm probably going to still be working most likely.
	So, it's not hard and sad.
	I'm pretty flexible because obviously compatibility on all fronts matters, but financially, it can definitely tank the relationship.
	I've noticed when the woman significantly outearns the man.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I would say at least six figures, at least as much as me.
	Like LA, too.
	Like, it's expensive as well.
	But if you're going to include kids and like family down the road into the picture, I would expect a lot more because, like, who's going to take care of the family?
	Like, I would expect I would.
	And, like, I don't know.
	I feel like the guy would be the supporter.
	So, as long as 100?
	At least 100.
	And, like, also depends on what they do because I feel like in some careers, there's like room to grow, and then some there isn't.
	So, I feel like they need to focus on like growth versus like, I feel like some jobs are like stagnant.
	That makes sense.
	But I would expect them to at least make like six figures, like at least $100K on the low end.
	Okay.
	As long as they're not bums and I know that they're like striving for something.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And what about you, Holly?
	This question got me in trouble last time.
	But I want somebody established.
	I want somebody that owns property, that has investments, that isn't in debt, and that they can go travel with me.
	And so, how much is that?
	Somebody that owns property.
	Okay.
	Somebody that has investments that's already established, that isn't in debt, and has the time to go travel with me.
	Whatever amount that is, you know?
	Think of LA standards.
	How much is it to own a home?
	How much is it to own property?
	Do you own a home?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But you said can he own just one property?
	Does he need to own multiple properties?
	Well, God bless him if he owns one property.
	Right on.
	Find him as a challenge.
	Into the mic.
	Yes.
	So, okay, five, because it sounded like you wanted multiple properties.
	I would probably say, what did she say last show?
	You said you wanted a guy who makes like five million or something?
	Well, you wanted me to give a dollar amount.
	Yeah, give us a dollar.
	And so I said five million because I want them to have more than me.
	And the last guy I dated was of that.
	So I didn't really think I was shooting out, you know, I didn't really think I was, you know, but your friend wanted to challenge me.
	Into the mic.
	Your friend wanted to challenge me and tell me that if you see it, Nick, just that it wasn't possible that I was in dreamland.
	And I'm going, dude, you don't even know me.
	Is it common?
	I'm actually genuinely curious.
	Are there people even into their 60s who are like paycheck to paycheck?
	Is that there's a lot of men that are a major problem in the U.S. There are, but I've got a lot of friends that are really, really wealthy.
	That's why you see older people working at Walmart and stuff now.
	More and more.
	Yeah.
	Maybe they're just.
	Sometimes it's for socialization.
	That's usually like the greeters.
	Well, that's what I was thinking.
	Maybe they're just looking for something to do.
	No, it's an increasing problem.
	I think there's a curve.
	I think there's some people, if I look at friends from high school, it's definitely a curve.
	There's definitely winners and losers.
	And you're thinking, how can you be the same freaking age?
	And what did you do with yourself?
	You know?
	Moving on, though, what about you for the income?
	Or did you already answer it?
	So I don't really have like a specific dollar amount.
	I guess as long as the person has a source of income where they can take care of themselves, they're independent and they're actually taking care of themselves.
	They're being responsible.
	Then I think that's pretty much enough for me.
	Sure.
	Moving on, would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	A random man.
	You wrote bear here.
	What?
	You wrote bear.
	Oh, which one I rather see in person?
	Come across.
	Oh, a man.
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	I probably read it wrong.
	Probably a man, but possibly a bear.
	Man, I guess.
	I guess.
	If you had to pick one.
	I guess, man.
	What about you?
	I have a gun either way, so I'm going to go bear because I could take some photos.
	Let's say you didn't have a gun.
	I'm always going to have a gun in the woods.
	My southern race.
	I'm going to ask you a question.
	How would you feel if you had not eaten breakfast this morning?
	Hungry.
	Why?
	So it's a hypothetical.
	So assuming you don't have a gun in this hypothetical, which would you rather cross paths with?
	Bear, so I could take photos.
	If they're both going to try and kill me.
	Well, hold on.
	Why?
	A random bear might not try to kill you, and the random man might not try to kill you.
	Right, but I'm not going to take it.
	There's nothing in the question that incorporates into it that there's a certainty of attack.
	Do I get to pick the bear or the man?
	Or just random?
	It's a random man or random bear.
	Bear.
	They're cuter.
	Okay, what about you?
	Man, for sure.
	What about you?
	I think I put neither, but if I had a choice, if it was random man, random bear.
	Well, I said either brown bear, but if not a brown bear, then a man.
	Because you know that saying, if it's brown, lie down.
	If it's black, fight back, if it's white, good night.
	Yeah.
	Wait, I thought it was a black bear.
	The black bears are black, fight back.
	Black bears.
	And I can't fight.
	No, black don't know.
	Blacks are the black ones, I guess.
	They don't attack the grizzly, the black bears.
	Actually, in California, a woman was recently killed by a black bear.
	But when they say fight back, they mean make yourself bigger and make noise and stuff.
	I suppose the brown bears are more of a threat.
	No, the black bears are a threat.
	I only know that because I used to hike a lot in Pennsylvania and New York when I lived there, but I said bear.
	To the questionnaire?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about you, Holly?
	Man or bear?
	A man.
	What about you?
	I think I wrote down a man.
	Okay.
	So bear, bear.
	Bear.
	Bear.
	Okay, why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	Bear is cuter and would be a cooler experience.
	I'd like to see a bear in my lifetime in the wild.
	Is there any reason you don't pick men?
	Because I could see a man whenever.
	I don't see bears often.
	It just sounds like a more fun hiking adventure.
	So for the novelty.
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't be scared to come across a bear.
	Yeah, I'd be terrified.
	Bear?
	I'd be terrified.
	Would you be more terrified coming across a random man or a random bear?
	Depends on what the man looks like.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	Well, so my reason for this was nuance because men are women's only natural predators and there are apex predators.
	Just statistically, depending on the bear attacking me, there are things I can maybe do.
	Whereas if it's a man who is, you know, if I'm alone and the man's alone and he is set on finding a victim or anything, there's not much I can do.
	So I'm just taking a gamble here.
	Wait, sorry, did you say that men are women's apex predator?
	Yeah, there are only natural predators.
	That's a really, I've never, even from feminists, heard the framing of men being like apex predators of women.
	Well, they're strange.
	They're our biggest predators.
	Statistically, they're number one killer.
	Yeah, number one killer is the number, yeah, the number one reason women die.
	And it's usually a man you know, not like a guy.
	In terms of wait, hold on.
	Women, the number one killer would be natural causes or health complications.
	I think they're talking about predators in general.
	Yeah.
	Of something that's going to attack you.
	Yeah, okay, but then you'd have to like, okay, you'd have to look at per capita and the rate of encounter.
	So all of you encounter men way more frequently than you encounter bears.
	And almost every woman has an extra large.
	Not just bears, every other animal that could potentially be a predator.
	But I wouldn't blame the bear for attacking.
	This is why the guy would.
	Let me ask you this, though.
	If you encountered mountain lions at the same rate that you encountered men, which one do you think would like, which one do you think would be more likely to attack you?
	The random man or the random mountain lion?
	If we were encountering mountain lions that often, we would know how to move around them in a safe enough way.
	If you encounter a mountain lion, you're not guaranteed to die.
	Same thing with a bear.
	They don't hunt us.
	You're not guaranteed to die if you encounter a given random man.
	I know, but I'm saying that men hunt us sometimes.
	Bears and mountain lions don't hunt us.
	Hold on.
	What proportion of men hunt women?
	But why are we hunting?
	That seems like a very generalized statement.
	I'd like you to revise it to like what percentage of men you think hunt women.
	I don't know the percentage, but predators, serial killers, anything like that is going to hunt.
	I don't know what the percentage is, but the percentage of bears and mountain lions is zero.
	They don't hunt humans.
	It's a territorial thing.
	They don't kill, yes.
	They kill.
	They don't hunt us.
	They aren't hunting us.
	I don't know the specifics of the.
	I don't know if it's not anthropology.
	What would it be?
	Whether or not bears hunt humans?
	Polar bears do, but regular bears like in the woods don't.
	Polar bears are the only thing that hunts humans.
	They don't actively hunt, but you do agree that they can kill humans.
	Of course.
	And they do kill humans.
	Yeah.
	But it's a territorial thing.
	It's like it's a protection.
	Yeah.
	Necessarily.
	Yeah.
	A mountain lion won't kill you if you're not encroaching on its territory or its cousin.
	This is the term for somebody who would like to study study, not bears, but maybe just zoologist.
	Like a zoologist?
	I don't know who what the specific terminology is, but look, I'm not an expert in the hunting, what's the word?
	The hunting behaviors of bears.
	But it kind of seems irrelevant.
	I feel like if you get attacked by a bear, though, it's like you were in the wrong spot.
	Like, I don't want to say like it, like, it's not your fault, but like, I don't want to say you're asking for it, but like, why were you there in the first place?
	But when it comes to like men, like man versus a woman, it's like you're going to wonder, like, why.
	Man will kill you in your house.
	That's what I'm saying.
	House you share.
	Like, if I were to get attacked by a bear at the end of the day, I'm like, well, like, I was in their home, in their environment.
	Like, I'm not going to be mad.
	But if a guy comes up, it's like, what the fuck?
	In other ways, though.
	I don't know.
	Well, I guess do you think that picking bear is sexist?
	Yes.
	Against men.
	Like, you have a prejudice against men, and you've deemed like you've done a risk assessment, and essentially what you're saying is, I view men as this dangerous.
	Like, the risk is enough that even though maybe they're, I don't know, if you here, how about this?
	What percentage of men do you think would be inclined to either essay or murder you if they saw you in the woods alone?
	I mean, I don't think you can put a percentage on it.
	You can ballpark it.
	Doesn't need to be.
	Based on what?
	How would we know that?
	Just without looking up the statistics of how much one in four women have been essayed or something.
	I think they've said one in three, but now it's like one in four.
	But also, that's like such a fat percentage.
	And I feel like all women have experienced even a tiny situation where they felt like unease with men.
	Hold on, but all men, I would say all women and all men have felt unease with the opposite sex.
	I can't even say that.
	Men have experienced it a lot too.
	It's just been quieter.
	They don't do anything.
	That too.
	Yeah, that too.
	But I mean, if unease is the threshold for I would rather encounter a wild animal over this group of people.
	I think.
	But you can't put, like, if you're to ask men, like, bear versus women, the only reason I feel like we would pick the bear over the man, like, and you can't compare women versus bears because men are stronger than us.
	Bears are also strong.
	Bears are way stronger.
	No, I know they're stronger than men, but like.
	Nick, can you pull up the Discord go in the ball?
	She's saying that, like, if a man encounters a random woman in the woods, like, she can, he's almost impossible that she's going to kill him unless she has a gun.
	Yeah.
	Unless it's me.
	But it's also impossible.
	It's also way, it's even more impossible that a woman would encounter a bear and be able to kill the bear.
	The bear might not hurt bears and they ran away.
	Hold on.
	The man might also not attack too.
	Yeah, but here's the difference.
	I've dealt with creativity.
	If the bear attacks me, it's going to kill me pretty quickly.
	If the man attacks me, they'll eat you alive.
	Or they're just going to eat you.
	You're going to die pretty quickly from SA.
	Exanguination.
	You will.
	Not necessarily.
	Or they might just harm you fatally, but not fully kill you so you're suffering for hours or something.
	It did not be petty.
	It did it out of like a survival instinct.
	Regardless, the bear's not going to SA me.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I agree that they can't SA you.
	I agree.
	Yes.
	So I'll pick the one that there's no chance of being SA means.
	They're doing it out of instinct, not out of like an emotional.
	The average man versus the average bear, like which one is more dangerous again.
	The bear's got 0% chance it's going to SA me.
	And it's cute.
	Sexual and bear.
	We can go with that.
	There have been many men who have encountered either a child or an animal in the wild and have, I don't know if I can say, G-A-N-G banged either the animal or the child.
	And like these have been recorded.
	Wait, hold on.
	Like there was a group of eight men in India where they were recently caught with a lizard.
	And like bears don't do that.
	So this woman is a little bit more.
	Okay, so just to be clear, we're going to, I agree that there have been occurrences that are horrible.
	We're going to then attribute that to the general population of men.
	No, it's just a survival instinct.
	But you're pointing to some crazy thing that happened in India and saying, well, because of this, I'm going to have a generalized fear towards 50% of the population.
	Because animals will kill us out of survival for themselves and what they know biologically, but men, why are they killing?
	Give me a percentage.
	What's the percentage chance of a man murdering you or harming you, like physically harming you, like torturing you, or SA?
	I don't know exact numbers, but if you want to point out.
	100%, 30%, 40%.
	I think it's one in four women have experienced some form of like SA.
	Also, there was one situation, I don't know, because it's not a bear, you can look it up too, where I don't know what country it was, but some like little girl like underage was taken by a bunch of men, and I don't know what happened, but she got out and a lion was protecting her.
	And you could look this up, but the lion was protecting her.
	You can look, yeah, you can look at that.
	So there's plenty of like female high school teachers who abuse male children and the idea that this is like some exclusive male thing.
	But I guess here's my question: if it is the case to pick, it's okay to pick the bear over the man because of your either your own lived experiences or there's stats or whatever it is.
	Would you have any objection to somebody picking a bear over a black person?
	To those of you who picked bear, do you object if somebody picks a bear over a black person?
	Well, yes, because why bring race into it?
	Why bring gender into it?
	That was the original question that was posed.
	I know, but I'm right now I'm just probing the logic.
	So if we change it and you pick bear over a black person, and are you a racist?
	Is it a black woman?
	Yeah, not the man.
	If there's a chance that it's a man, I'm still going bear.
	Same.
	If it's a woman, I don't give a shit.
	Okay, so but it's black person.
	If there's a chance that it's a man, then I'm picking bear.
	Would you rather come across George Floyd or a bear in the forest?
	Bear.
	So is it George Floyd like today?
	He's dead.
	He's a dead man.
	I know.
	I'll encounter a corpse in the woods.
	I don't care.
	No, alive.
	Alive.
	I don't know him.
	I'll pick bear.
	Oh, okay.
	So you're saying that even knowing who the individual is.
	I don't know him like that.
	So bear.
	It's not a random man now.
	It's a specific man, a black man.
	Still a man, I don't know, and I can't speak to anything about him.
	But again, I'm asking, though, would it be racist to pick the bear over a black person?
	Not if you're still going with the mindset of like, I don't want to see a man in the woods, which is still how I'm looking at it.
	No, no, no, no, but here, let me ask you this.
	Let me change it like this.
	Know in your own determination, you're viewing it from, well, if it's still a man, like if there's a chance it's a man, sure.
	I'm saying, let's say somebody outside of you, whether it's a man or woman, they say, I would rather encounter the bear, not because they're a man, not because they're a woman.
	Doesn't matter, but because they're black.
	Well, what would be their justification?
	Like, why would they say that?
	Sure.
	I love this question.
	Perhaps because say they cite to criminal statistics that would indicate something related to you would agree that there's disparities in criminality between the races.
	Not inherently, but there is different representation of criminality.
	I don't know.
	Not inherently, but if you look at crime statistics, certain races are more represented in crime statistics.
	I haven't looked at crime statistics by race, so I don't.
	Okay, but if I were to present that to you, would you sure?
	But I don't.
	Yeah, so I, me personally, no.
	I don't look at a black person and get scared.
	For example, you said you lived in Chicago?
	I live in Philly.
	Or who lived in Chicago?
	I did.
	Oh, that was you.
	Okay.
	So, well, I don't even need to make this geographical.
	But for example, criminality is very low amongst Asian Americans as compared to, say, like black Americans.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Not because of anything inherent, but this is just what the crime statistics show.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So somebody was making a determination based off that.
	But then also, let's say a person had negative encounters in their own life and perhaps their friends had negative encounters in their lives with a black person.
	And then they use this as pretext to have perhaps bigoted opinions towards that racial group.
	You guys would say that this is racist, right?
	I don't think that saying you'd rather not see a man in the woods is bigoted.
	No.
	This person in particular, when asked this question, they're not making it about gender.
	I know you view it that way, but they're saying, I don't want to encounter this person in the woods because they're black.
	And they cite, I think it's dangerous.
	They cite to saying, I had negative, my own experiences had negative experiences with black people.
	You would then have to grant, if you're going to make that same argument, that if women have had negative experiences with men, and that gives them justification to pick a bear over a man, you would have to grant that same exemption to a white person saying, I would rather pick a bear over a black person solely on the basis, not about gender, on the basis of their race.
	If the bad experience that you're referring to is SA, then I don't care if their qualifier is black or bald or short or whatever it is, I think that's valid.
	Fine.
	If you were essayed by somebody, you can categorize whatever that triggers you and you can be afraid of that.
	Fine.
	Okay, but would it be racist?
	No, not if they were essayed and they're like, yeah, I'm terrified of this.
	And again, that would work for black or bald or whatever.
	Okay, and what, so if somebody answered that here, that would be fine.
	If they said, I was essayed by this and now I have this phobia, whatever the qualifier was, I'd be like, all right, that's your phobia.
	I get just like violence of some form.
	Like they were attacked physically.
	Like if the attack maybe killed their family or something, I'd be like, all right.
	No, they were just like, I don't know.
	They got a concussion or something.
	Then I would say, all right, you need to go to therapy, work that out a little bit more.
	That's wild.
	Why would that be wild?
	It's a concussion.
	You shouldn't be afraid.
	So just to be clear, but how about this?
	What if a woman, she's never been essayed and she's just been punched by a random man and she got knocked out and got a concussion?
	Would that not be enough pretext for her to want to pick the bear over the man?
	I'd still say she should go to therapy at that point and work that out.
	So then you would object to her picking the if she thinks every man's going to punch her, she does need to go to therapy because not every man's going to punch her.
	But that's what you just got.
	You missed.
	No, I said there's a one in four chance that if that a man is going to essay a woman in her lifetime.
	Hold on.
	There's a well, okay.
	Now we're getting into some semi-dubious statistics.
	One in four women are going to be SA'd in their lifetime.
	Okay, but I'd like to, I think we got to explore what that actually means.
	Because for example, I've looked at the studies that these organizations put out, like RAIN, for example, and they actually include like where they're pulling these numbers out of their ass from.
	And I've looked at the studies, and they'll include things like, let me ask you this.
	Is cat calling sexual assault?
	No.
	Okay.
	What if I told you that in these studies, they categorize this under a sort of umbrella term called sexual violence?
	And they'll categorize that as SA.
	So they'll pull women and have you been catcalled?
	And they'll include that in their statistics.
	I'm just curious, by cat-calling, did they mean like somebody being aggressively cat-called?
	Or just complimented?
	Something like that.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	I would disagree with that, but having worked very closely with RAIN, I am not privy to that study where they've ever referred to cat calling as sexual violence.
	Yeah, it falls under this umbrella of sexual violence.
	I looked at the studies that they published.
	The training that you get in RAIN does not does not say that.
	Well, yeah, they obviously, because it would be a counter narrative to the rhetoric that they're trying to put out there.
	Now, I think this sort of crime is absolutely terrible.
	I think if it has occurred, this person should face the maximum extent of the law.
	Perhaps even if they're like repeat offenders, I think the death penalty should be on the table.
	But I think it does a disservice to try to put out this rhetoric that basically says this is occurring way more than it actually is.
	I don't really know why they're doing this.
	I don't know why they're trying to, like, maybe they want people to, you know, have a victim complex or whatever.
	Just at the table, is there anybody here that doesn't know a woman who was essayed?
	Me never been a victim of men.
	No, but do you know any woman who has ever been essayed?
	Yes.
	That's what I'm asking.
	Do you know women in your life that's a moment?
	Actually, no, I actually don't know any woman that's been essayed personally.
	I don't.
	I had girlfriends that told me certain things, but it wasn't.
	I don't really think it was.
	I mean, do you want to ask the table if they've experienced it themselves?
	No, I'm not going to ask that.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's fine.
	But it seems a little, you know, unfair to say you know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody.
	I'm saying, do you know somebody who has been?
	Do you personally know somebody in your life who has been?
	Several times men give me ultimatums because I won't sleep with them.
	Okay.
	And I'm not sleeping with them just because I don't like to sleep around.
	And I want to know their intentions are true.
	But okay, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	But well, how does that tie into essay?
	Didn't you say essay was just to offer an alternative perspective that'll actually help your point, Brian, is that they've gotten violent, I'm saying because I wouldn't.
	That's horrible.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's horrible.
	So that's why I'm speaking on that.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you a question?
	And I know you want to come in.
	I just want to ask a couple clarifying questions.
	If a girl, I've been dating a girl for a year and we've had hundreds of consensual sexual encounters and she wakes me up with a BJ, do you think that that's SA?
	I'm unconscious.
	Is that SA?
	No.
	Whoa.
	Have you told her that you don't like that?
	Is that something you don't have?
	There are feminists who will vigorously argue that because consent must always be revocable, so you can't be unconscious.
	I'm sleeping.
	She has committed a sexual act on me.
	There are feminists who will argue that that is SA.
	I can't argue for other feminists out there.
	I'm telling you from my perspective.
	But that's why I think it's important to just throw these.
	Okay, well, one in four women have been.
	Okay, well, let's actually look at what they consider to be SA.
	For example, they'll say, have you ever had a sexual encounter when you've had more than two drinks?
	Oh, and without actually asking the person, well, was it a consensual encounter, but you had two drinks?
	They'll just say, did you have a sexual encounter and you had two drinks?
	There are feminists and feminist organizations who will label that, regardless of if the man was more drunk than she was, they will label that as SA.
	So it's important to define these things precisely.
	Yeah.
	Has anybody here ever had a consensual sexual encounter when you've had one, two, or three drinks?
	Was that grape?
	No.
	No.
	I've okay, but there's some people who argue that it is.
	Yeah, but they're not sitting here and they're not talking to you.
	Right, but you're citing.
	But the reason I'm bringing it up is because you're citing to a number that if you actually start looking at some of the breakdowns, look, I'm not SA absolutely happens.
	It's a terrible crime.
	These people should be, honestly, they should probably be, you know, whatever.
	But I think it's important.
	Like, I don't, I think there's a lot of rhetoric going around that has a lot of women.
	I think women, you should operate from a perspective of safety.
	But I think if you're trying to push out rhetoric that's going to paint men as these just perpetual predators and monsters, I think that's pretty damaging both to women and men.
	I don't think they are just perpetual predators and monsters.
	Okay.
	I didn't claim that they are perpetual predators and monsters.
	But it is much more likely that we're going to be, if we're going to be killed by somebody, it's going to be a man than that.
	But look at the social stigma she's creating when she says, I think men are apex predators of women.
	Like, that's very uncharitable framing of the dynamics that exist between men and women.
	But in reality.
	But, well, no, in reality, men and women cooperate and generally speaking get along.
	And that's like the fabric of society.
	This idea that like there's an ultimate form of predation, like and the majority of men are preying on the majority of women is absurd.
	I don't think she was insinuating that, and neither was I. Who is the apex predator of men?
	Who's the apex predator of men?
	Well, I don't think there's an apex predator of humans.
	There is.
	There are.
	Other humans.
	Are men ever scared of women, though, the way women are scared of men?
	Probably, sure.
	Well, I think that, just to be fair, men are completely underrepresentated in forms of reports of SA.
	Absolutely.
	I think that this is, in my personal opinion, this is not a gender issue.
	This is an assault and crime issue that is not gender related.
	And what I will say is, just for the women in here and anybody who is watching who has experienced these types of experiences before, just from my life, I can only speak from my experience.
	I've encountered many different men.
	There's only been two that have tried to take advantage of me, but I've also met like the other majority of men were incredible men who helped me on the side of the road when my car was broken, who helped me to pay for a meal when I lost my wallet.
	Like really, really incredible men.
	And that's what I think the majority of men are like, but it does, but trauma is always going to speak louder, especially the collective trauma of when women have been given a space to speak about this trauma, like with the Me Too movement.
	And so it's natural and it's understandable why women are going to lead with more defensiveness because I mean, it's all over social media, the Me Too movement, and how, technically speaking, men are stronger than women physically.
	I don't think that really takes into consideration women who are essayers are doing different tactics that are not necessarily physical.
	But again, at the end of the day, when again, it makes sense why there's defensiveness.
	It makes sense, like, you know, why women are on edge because of the narratives out in society.
	However, there are also really, really, really incredible men.
	The majority of the men are really incredible who just don't know how to step up when there is such a loud voice out there.
	And it also takes intentional work.
	Like, for example, I would not have been able to receive this really great treatment from men, like, you know, who are helping me on the side of the road if I didn't work on my limiting beliefs about men too and how to regulate my trauma or my nervous system to believe in safe men.
	So.
	And I do want to just go on the record and say I love men.
	I genuinely love men.
	I love so much about them.
	But you can't deny that there are bad ones out there and that they do pose a risk to women in a lot of ways.
	But I'm not by any means painting that that's the majority or that that's all of them.
	It's not, of course.
	And also the vast majority of men who experience SA is typically at the hands of other men.
	Not to excuse the women essayers, but yeah, definitely.
	Like the vast majority of men I do believe are good, and I do love men, but also as women, you know, we are taught from a young age to protect ourselves.
	Yeah.
	Did you say men are apex predatory of women?
	What did you say about that?
	Oh, yeah, like just men are women's only natural predators.
	Okay, and doesn't that give you like that makes you have no like not like that makes it sound weird because our your job is basically like getting naked for men.
	If you really think that, doesn't that mean you have no like survival instinct?
	Because if you really think they're that dangerous, why are you literally getting naked in front of them and making money off of that screen and meaningful?
	Yeah, but you're also stripped.
	You also got naked in front of a bunch of men in a place with security.
	Yeah, but the security is also male.
	Well, let's not use a woman's personal occupation choice as a reason to perpetuate certain beliefs about men or women.
	It's weird that we hate them so much, but we are willing to hate them at all.
	We don't hate them at all.
	To make that comment is crazy.
	No, it's not crazy.
	No, it's statistically accurate, but it's still believing men are inherently good people overall.
	And like I was saying, men's apex predator is also men.
	Nick, can you just go into the Discord?
	Just because I want to pull this up, because you maybe doubted the study that I was referencing.
	So it's the pull up the Discord.
	It's in Research Miscellaneous, not the Research Non-Nendra General.
	It's Research Miscellaneous.
	It's the 2015 data brief.
	We don't have anything more recent.
	It's 10 years ago.
	I mean, Rain puts out statistics studies every year.
	I mean, the NS, I've.
	What's that?
	You know, there's a category that's in it.
	So it's research misconception.
	You got to scroll all the way past like resources, past off-topic.
	Do you have it?
	Yeah.
	Okay, 2015 data brief.
	I mean, so what I'm, it's actually what I'm going to show you is not actual, and I assume, well, it's not actual numbers.
	It's how they describe things.
	So do you have it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think after this.
	2015 data brief.
	Wait, not so far any more than that?
	What?
	Are you in research misc?
	Okay, so it's 2015 data brief.
	It's the fifth one down.
	it's the fifth one down okay so uh what i'm gonna have you do make it bigger You're going to go to page five.
	So this is the national make it bigger.
	Bigger.
	Bigger.
	Put this on the other side.
	That works.
	Actually, just leave it there.
	It's fine.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Up, up, up, up, just a bit.
	That's good right there.
	So here's where the first two, absolutely.
	Although there's a bit of confusion over to the degree, like if you've had one drink and your partner's had one drink, are you not able to give consent?
	That's another conversation.
	But if you go to sexual coercion, and again, at the bottom, contact sexual violence, so they collapse all of these four things.
	It's a combined measure that includes that, that, that sexual coercion, right?
	So sexual coercion, unwanted sexual penetration that occurs after a person is pressured in a non-physical way, refers to unwanted, blah, blah, blah, after being pressured in ways that include being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for sex or showed they were unhappy, feeling pressured by being lied to, being told promises that were untrue, having someone threaten to end a relationship or spread rumors, and sexual pressure due to someone using their influence or authority.
	So I just want to, I guess what I'm trying to get at is a better sense of what some of those mean.
	So having someone threaten to end a relationship.
	So for example, let's say you're a woman and you've had consensual sex a hundred times with somebody, and then you're all of a sudden say, I no longer want to have sex with you.
	And then the guy's like, well, I want to continue having sex.
	And he says, well, I respect that you don't want to have sex, but if you don't want to continue being in a sexual relationship with me, this relationship is over.
	She then makes a determination that she wants to keep the relationship.
	So she then, although, reminder, she just said she doesn't want to have sex anymore, in furtherance of her keeping the relationship, she then has sex with him.
	Was that essay?
	I think that's a misunderstanding of what that means with.
	How else would it make sense?
	It literally says this is the study that Rain.
	It's literally from their website.
	Rain is not saying, oh, having someone threaten to end a relationship.
	How am I misinterpreting that?
	Because it's not saying, oh, you two have become sexually unaligned over the years and now you're having sex with less frequency and like you're having a bigger conversation that's completely calm going, hey, if we're not having sex more and more, I think we're just not compatible in this way and we're breaking up.
	Saying, like, you're sleeping next to somebody, and he tries to make a move, and you go, Hey, I'm really not in the mood tonight.
	And he's like, If you don't fucking do this, I'm gonna break up with you, like and getting really aggressive in your face.
	It can only be charitable in your direction because it doesn't say that either.
	It doesn't specify that he's like, that that's the context.
	I'm saying that is in which it would be coercive.
	Well, hold on, would it be coercion is like a threat of something, a genuine threat of something.
	So, if a woman says, I no longer want to have sex with you, and the guy's like, Okay, well, I want to break up, is that no?
	Well, but you see the vagueness of what they're saying there, sure, they can word it better.
	I think in my interpretation, I think that somebody could fall under, or perhaps a woman who's not as sophisticated as you sees that.
	All of a sudden, she thinks, Whoa, I was essayed in a previous relationship because I was not, you know, I didn't want to have sex with my boyfriend and he dumped me.
	I don't think I'll say that.
	Okay, they have to word it better then.
	I actually, the woman who's going to be on the show, the feminist who rage quit at the very beginning, she had a really interesting.
	This is why I was kind of upset because she had a really, really interesting take that's on topic to this.
	So, and by the way, wouldn't threatening to end a relationship?
	Isn't that a threat?
	But is that would that be essay?
	If you're being threatening about it, if you're just saying, Hey, I think it's time for us to move on, that's not threatening to end a relationship.
	That's saying, I think we're breaking up.
	Well, I mean, hold on, but if let's say the guy is frustrated and pull up the thing real quick again, not the video.
	Well, he pulls that up.
	I think also, Brian, there's a difference between, let's say it's a stay-at-home mom and her husband.
	Can you highlight the section, Nick?
	Yeah, just that part.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, I think there's a difference between like somebody who's a stay-at-home mom and her husband is her main source of income, and he's threatening her in the sense of I'm going to leave you with nothing, you're going to be broke, you're going to have, I'm going to take all your kids away.
	There's a difference between that and two couples who have, or a couple who has a fundamental disagreement about sex and is incompatible sexually.
	Well, they should specify that.
	Hold on, if you're doing that, they should specify that.
	They should really like, I don't think we should have any vagueness when it comes to very serious accusations that relate to SA.
	Realistically, it might now.
	This is 10 years old.
	This is 10 years old.
	It could be updated.
	This language, it's not looking at, they're not doing like statistical analysis.
	This is the language.
	Giving you definitions.
	Okay, so you think it's changed?
	If anything, I think it's probably encompassing way more vague, possibly benign behavior.
	You're basing that off of nothing.
	Okay, well, hold on.
	The like one in four statistic or whatever that you're citing has been around for decades.
	So this idea that, oh, Brian, now that I'm actually pulling this.
	That used to be one of three.
	Okay, well, now that I'm pulling up a study that seems to perhaps back up my position a little bit more, now you're like, well, the study's not recent enough.
	But this is, we could probably find a more recent, it's the NIAS or whatever, that has this same sort of definition for what they consider sexual violence.
	And if that's the case, I think they should specify more.
	But like, I'll run it up the chain.
	I have a question for you.
	Like, I'm just seriously curious and open-minded.
	How about this feeling?
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I'm sincerely like, I'm just open-minded about this because this is a topic I'm still debating on myself, which is that section though is only one-fourth of a different definition.
	So, in your opinion, how much of the one in four statistic is affected by that particular group of people who may be misidentifying threats for you.
	It might actually be in there.
	If you're just asking me off the top of my head, I don't know.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	But I do think that, I don't know.
	I just think it's a little, it seems like a little unfair to just basically say men are apex predators.
	So I'm trying to push some degree of like dispute to men apex predators.
	Men bad.
	We're not saying men bad.
	You're deciding.
	Yeah, you kind of are.
	We're not saying men bad.
	I don't think men bad.
	So this is the video that we're going to get into.
	Sexual coercion, feeling pressured by being lied to.
	That's very vague.
	Now, there are some, for example, there are crimes like if you pretend to be somebody's spouse, absolutely, that's SA.
	Like if the lights are off and you get into somebody else's bed and you pretend that you're the spouse or whatever and the woman thinks that it's actually somebody else, that's 100% SA.
	That's lying.
	I think there's also if you lie about like your STD status or whatever, that would also perhaps be.
	But just lying, is that?
	So if somebody lies to you, is that SA?
	If the lie then puts you under duress to make the decision.
	This vague?
	No.
	Let's say you wouldn't have had sex with them had they not lied to you.
	Is the lie putting you in some sort of duress?
	No.
	But they say.
	I mean, give me an example.
	They say they're really rich, but they're not.
	No.
	But you would have not otherwise slept with a broke guy.
	No.
	Okay.
	Wrong to do.
	Unethical, manipulative.
	Yes.
	But you wouldn't categorize it in essay.
	Nick, can you pull up the first TikTok video from the Rage Quit feminist?
	Audio, I'm assuming.
	Yeah, we'll do audio.
	Go ahead and start from the beginning.
	The way men approach dating lacks consent, and I'll tell you why.
	I date people of all genders, women, men, non-binary, trans.
	I'm into you, not necessarily your gender.
	So I hate to be so gendered in the way I'm speaking here, but this pattern is something I've literally noticed my entire adult life, and I just need to talk about it.
	Regardless of what I've been looking for, whether I've been looking for something casual or whether I'm been looking for something serious, there are very interesting patterns of the way that men and women communicate differently in relationships.
	Like a woman will just tell you straight up if she wants to keep things casual.
	A woman will tell you if she wants to hook up.
	A woman will tell you if she wants to keep it casual.
	Like there's a lot of open and clear communication and they tend to actually follow through with what they're doing.
	Okay, maybe people's feelings change.
	Maybe things get messy.
	I'm not saying women are perfect in every way.
	Okay, like women can be toxic in their own way, but at least they do what they say for the most part.
	Whereas men will tell you they're in love with you and then ghost you the next day.
	Men will say whatever they need to say to get into your pants that night and then whether they mean it or not.
	And this might be like obvious or basic, but it's just really frustrating, especially in a time like 2025 where it's like we're having conversations about what we want out of dating.
	Like there's a lot less like assumed dating, like especially as someone who identifies as queer.
	It's like, I'm going to be pretty upfront with what I want here.
	And like to sleep with someone under the context of this may be something that's going somewhere.
	This isn't going to be a one-night thing.
	This is something that we're building together.
	We're building towards a relationship.
	Like that is now the context that we have set for us sleeping together.
	So for you to be lying about that, for that to be completely untrue, and then like as soon as you get what you want, you just disappear.
	That actually feels non-consensual.
	Because I didn't consent to having a hookup.
	I didn't consent to having a one-night stand.
	I consented to us building something.
	And you'll notice this because sometimes you'll go on several dates with a man before you're willing to sleep with him.
	And then when you finally do, his truth is revealed.
	And I just find this like absolutely disgusting.
	If you want to be casual or you want to hook up, say you want to hook up.
	But the reason men don't want to say that is because they're worried that you don't want that.
	So let's just call that what it is.
	You're tricking me into sleeping with you.
	This is non-consensual.
	Oh, you're worried that what you want is something that I won't be okay with.
	You're worried that what you want is something I won't consent to.
	So you're putting it into context that I will consent to underlies.
	Like this is actually a huge consent problem and it feels extremely violating.
	And if you're a man who's doing this, I want you to realize that you're rapy.
	You're a rapey guy.
	And yes, that is most of you.
	So essentially what she's arguing is if a man is being dishonest with his long-term intentions in an effort to induce a woman into having sex, which to be clear, I think is wrong.
	It's manipulative and it's unethical.
	I don't think that's a crime.
	I don't think it meets the threshold of SA, but she seems to think it should or is.
	Yeah, so I'll first and foremost, and then I'll let everybody else take the floor.
	Again, this is not a gender issue to me.
	This is a manipulation, emotional maturity, and emotional integrity issue.
	So I do not think that this is men are all bad or women are all bad.
	I think that there are certain groups of women and men that are manipulative and emotionally immature.
	As far as this topic goes, I think that at the end of the day, yes, there is manipulation and coercion when it comes to sexuality between both men and women.
	However, at the end of the day, a woman and a man can made the decision to go into that sexual encounter, meaning that, yes, the words were there, but if she didn't receive the commitment or he didn't receive the commitment and the follow-up actions to prove that, then no, it would not be sex like SA.
	It would simply be naivety, but not necessarily in a bad way, just naïve.
	What do you think?
	I think she threw around the word grapey a little bit too loosely.
	I don't think that's SA.
	I think it's manipulation.
	I think it's trickery.
	I think there is, you know, it's where you get into sort of the gray area of consent because, yeah, this person wasn't consenting to a hookup, but now is engaged in one because they got tricked.
	But I don't think that makes it essay.
	They did consent.
	They consented to the sex under a set of circumstances.
	What if she sucked and he doesn't?
	Yeah, I was about to say that.
	Like, maybe she didn't say, you know, like.
	But she's saying that the guy ghosts you after.
	So how would she actually be able to come to the determination?
	Like, two things could be possible.
	It could be the case that she was misled.
	And this absolutely happens, right?
	Guys lie about their intentions.
	Don't dispute it at all.
	Guys absolutely lie, saying they want long-term.
	But it can also be the case.
	And again, I think that's wrong.
	Still don't, even if you could prove that he clearly lied and he was just trying terrible thing to do.
	Don't think that that means you didn't consent.
	But then there's the guys, okay, well, how would you then differentiate between the guy who perhaps did have these intentions, but then maybe there wasn't the right sexual chemistry, maybe he had the sex happen, and then he had to change your heart.
	We should tell her that.
	He wouldn't just ghost her and be like, Psych, got what I wanted, and then out.
	That's not tricky.
	People ghost each other, but either scenario, I don't, again, I mean, both are kind of scummy.
	One is worse than the other, where he's like intentionally misleading, where he did have intentions to date her long-term, but then who knows?
	Maybe she's a bitch after sex, whatever it is, right?
	You know, the sex was bad, whatever it is.
	If he's intentionally misleading her, is he tricking her?
	Yeah, sure, sure, I guess.
	Okay, can somebody consent to being tricked?
	What do you mean?
	Can you consent to being tricked?
	Yeah, you can't, really.
	Well, they're not being tricked then.
	So, again, I'll just reiterate that it's manipulative, it's unethical, but it doesn't, I don't think it calls into question the actual consent.
	No, she consented to the sex, but I'm saying it's the gray area of like she was manipulated into that consent.
	Okay, but I mean, how far do we take this then?
	I don't consider it SA.
	Okay, I don't consider it SA.
	But if it's a gray area, then we would have to, you know, make determinations as to all sorts of things when it comes to gray area.
	Like, let's say I'm a guy who only sleeps with women with big natural boobs.
	But let's say a woman had such a fantastic boob job that I couldn't tell if they were fake.
	Have I just been, I've been bamboozled into consenting where I would not have otherwise consented.
	Wow.
	I am now a victim.
	I had sex when I would have.
	If the threshold is having sex when you otherwise wouldn't have.
	Like, what about, I mean, that's a kind of an interesting thing.
	I think it makes you a shitty person.
	What about she, you know, I think she's a certain level of attractive, but she's wearing makeup, and I don't know how she actually looks underneath.
	She's actually below my threshold of what I would, the type, the woman I would fuck.
	This is so shallow.
	We've gone off the rails with this one.
	I feel like that's a fairer comparison, Brian.
	Because, like, as opposed to tricking a woman into a relationship.
	Completely different.
	He's got a magical push-up bra.
	And then you saw the titties and you were like...
	Hold on.
	No, but she kept the shirt on during the sex.
	But did she tell you she was not wearing a bra?
	Like, did you, was she telling you, like, if you like, you're not letting her wear a shirt and a bra during the thing?
	I prefer the small.
	I'm a.
	God bless you.
	I mean, I like both.
	Both are nice, but I'm team itty bitty titty committee.
	Itty titties and bitty bitty.
	Small tits.
	I get.
	We've gotten off the rails.
	Let me give you a few other examples.
	A few other examples.
	So it's like, what about, you know, look, men lie, women lie.
	Like, for example, what if I only wanted to, I would only consent, and there's no gray.
	Like, I refuse to consent to a woman who's over the age of 35.
	And a 37-year-old on her dating profile writes that she's 33.
	I would have not consented had I known the truth.
	And she knows that's like a hard line for you.
	You only sleep with women that are 35 and under.
	Yeah, like she has to know that's like the thing for you.
	Then that makes her shitty too.
	Yeah.
	That makes her a bad person.
	I agree.
	I don't think anybody should be able to do that.
	And if you have that, what about ID?
	Wait, what about this, though?
	So let's say on a dating app, I put, it's not even going to be a funny one, but I just put, you know, how you can put what you're looking for.
	I just put looking for a long-term relationship.
	And I go out with a girl and she puts it too.
	I go out with a girl, we hook up, and she ghosts me afterwards.
	And she put on her profile: wait, you were looking for a long-term relationship.
	And the only scenario in which I would consent to have sex with this woman is if there was a continuity in the relationship, does this make her an essayer?
	It wouldn't make the guy an essayer either.
	I guess I'd think it would just mean that she doesn't like you.
	Probably means she doesn't like you.
	It means she's a shitty person.
	I'm not saying it's essay.
	Interpretation, I feel victimized.
	Well, I guess she'll be a shitty person.
	She owes me.
	You are the victim of a shitty person, but you are not causing somebody's going to get in drugs.
	That's what I don't get.
	Like, it's like, okay, that whole thing, right?
	Which, look, I don't think most women think like her, but she threw around some words pretty liberally.
	But it's like, once you've had sex, it's like if you're a woman and you're like, well, I wouldn't have consented, da-da-da, unless.
	Yeah, that's where personal accountability comes in, I think, for both men and women and women.
	So you got to be savvy.
	You got to learn.
	You got to grow.
	You got to be savvy and take not people's words, but their actions.
	If you were tricked into something, I will say you are a victim of an asshole.
	You are a victim of a bad person who did wrong.
	I'm not saying that you were essayed.
	How about this?
	I wrote this one down.
	Okay.
	The rest were just off the table.
	They prepared themselves.
	But these, I honestly passionate.
	I don't resonate.
	So, say a Catholic man who doesn't believe in divorce, he marries a Catholic woman, which is true at the time.
	You're Catholic, right?
	She also does not believe in divorce.
	This is the Catholic doctrine.
	Divorces, I mean, there's some circumstances, whatever.
	Yes.
	They 100% align on values, and she reaffirms and represents multiple times her belief in the Catholic faith and not believing in divorce.
	They wait until marriage to have sex, and the husband only consented to have sex with her.
	He's a virgin, both of them virgins, under all the terms and representations she made.
	At some point, years down the line, there's no abuse.
	He's a good man, but she falls out of love.
	She's unhappy.
	Again, he's a nice guy.
	She just falls out of love.
	Her faith starts to weaken and dwindle.
	And she initiates a divorce.
	Was he graped?
	No.
	But well, I know nobody here at this table believes whatever fuck she was talking about.
	But like, under her logic, would he have been graped then?
	Yeah, under her logic, I think we'd have a lot more grapists in the world.
	And apparently, if this is where all of this is backwards, then yeah.
	Okay, anyways.
	Especially because like I thought about the girls may not even fully understand the logic that she's trying to portray.
	I think that to me was a view grabber.
	Well-intentioned poorly.
	Here's what happened.
	She probably, by the way, she's apparently Polly, which makes the whole thing really confusing.
	But she's very serious about it.
	And what probably happened is she was dealing with a dude.
	They hooked up.
	Maybe he was like, oh, yeah, I definitely want a girlfriend.
	He ghosted her.
	Now she's very upset and wants to ruin this man's life.
	One more thing.
	How about this?
	Wait, what's the good one?
	I'm a good one.
	Good.
	Oh, wait, shit.
	What is it?
	I'm stoked for the good one.
	Okay, what about wait, shit?
	I lost it.
	Damn it.
	Can't be that good.
	If a woman, it's not this one, but I'll just read one of my other ones.
	If a woman who lies about being on birth control, but she's not, and the only reason that a man consents to like non-protected sex is because she's on birth control, would that be a form of SSD?
	Yes.
	I don't actually, by law, though, I don't think it's.
	It should be necessarily right.
	No, in the same way with like STDs.
	Yeah, stalting things like that.
	That's absolutely not acceptable.
	Yeah, that's oh, that would be another one that I would categorically say, yeah, that's essay.
	Like, if she's like, I want to wear protection, and the guy like takes it off, like, that's 100% essay.
	Yeah.
	And despicable.
	But, same, I think, but it's not, there's not a law, though, for the birth control thing.
	So, what should be like, yeah, I'm on birth control, blast inside, and then like trap a guy.
	Yeah, that's horrific.
	I don't think you think that there should be a law on that, too.
	That's all, like, the exact same level of like taking off a condom and stuff.
	Yeah, like, it's the exact same thing.
	I had a good one, though.
	I had a really good one.
	That was a good one.
	That was good.
	That was fun.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	So, according to her logic, she's not even here.
	She's not even here.
	Last one.
	Last one, then I'll move it on to something a bit more fun.
	If she got with a guy and they both told each other, by the way, I really want a long-term relationship.
	You know, da-da-da, here's my, you know, I want this to last.
	And then they have sex, but he has a micropenis, and then she's like, I don't want to, uh, okay.
	From his perspective, he could argue that she essayed him because she ghosted him after finding out, well, you know, the micropenis.
	If we're going from her logic, yes, she would probably say yes to that.
	Yeah.
	I think her logic would only work when it's a men in the wrong.
	Probably.
	Yep.
	All right, let's move it on to something more interesting.
	There's a different video.
	Yeah.
	Wait, what was it?
	Oh, you can play 20 seconds of it, but she found some.
	Okay, so there is like case law that I already mentioned about like pretending to be somebody's spouse, STDs.
	So there are laws about that sort of thing.
	So she maybe saw that and was like, oh, bingo, it actually is a crime.
	Why don't you just, we'll watch 30 seconds of it.
	Sexual fraud is a real thing and it is something you can take legal action against.
	Yesterday I made a post about the way that men date and how it lacks consent.
	How men approach dating often as telling women things that are untrue just to get them in bed with them and how this is actually a consent violation.
	Okay, so you can pause it there.
	Again, she's just essentially saying, okay, she looked something up.
	It's referencing very specific situations where like a wife has been like bamboozled into thinking a man is her husband but isn't like STDs, these sorts of things.
	Not the guy said, I don't know.
	Also in relationships, well, hold on, I should finish my sentence.
	Like, oh, the guy said, yeah, babe, I'm looking for a girlfriend.
	They have sex.
	And then he's a jerk and doesn't call her back or whatever.
	But also, if you have any of you had this said to you, or you've said it in a relationship, I'll love you forever.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and it's like, okay, I think there are certain romantic statements that people will make in relationships.
	And then I don't think the person like who's say you're breaking up with somebody and that person says, but you said you'd love me forever.
	It's like these were romantic statements said in the moment.
	I don't think if you say somebody, if you tell somebody that you're going to love them forever, that that then makes you beholden to stay with them forever.
	You know, I think there's certain statements.
	I don't know, whatever.
	I don't know if that makes any sense.
	No, it makes sense.
	Yeah, because, you know, you could say that this person is the love of your life.
	At, I don't know, like, it's usually seen like high schoolers, puppy love, you know, they're always very like, we're going to be together forever.
	We're going to be the high school sweethearts.
	And, you know, you really do like get into that relationship thinking like you are going to be together forever.
	But I think it's really normal and natural for people to kind of just grow apart from people and just be two different people.
	For sure.
	So, you know, like, yeah, at the time, your intentions are to be with them forever.
	But things change.
	But if you're like, ooh, this lady only sleeps with guys she's in a relationship with and she really likes me and she wants to be in a relationship.
	And I am not trying to do that, but I would like to shtep.
	And then you're like, all right.
	Yeah, I'll be in a relationship with you just to bang.
	And you know the whole time that's not what you're doing, that does make you a bad person.
	Yeah, it's manipulative.
	Yes.
	It's wrong.
	You're gross.
	It's very unethical.
	Not an essay-er, but you are gross.
	Don't think it rises to the threshold of...
	Yeah.
	Oh, also, going back to the looks rating thing.
	Can you pull up that photo of the two people?
	Oh, goodness.
	All right.
	So.
	Oh, no.
	Wow, that was.
	That was scared.
	Scroll out.
	Zoom out.
	All right.
	So, beauty is subjective.
	Here's where I struggle, right?
	Here's where I struggle.
	We have two women here, two beautiful women.
	I think, again, beauty is subjective, but there are objective components to beauty.
	And I think there's a universality that can occur where I think 99% of people would say the woman on the left is more attractive than the woman on the right.
	Now, I want to open this up to the panel here and see if we have some honest women here.
	Ray, show of hands.
	Show of hands.
	Is the woman on the left more attractive?
	The left?
	Or the woman on the left?
	And the left.
	Is the white lady more attractive?
	That is what you're asking.
	Is the woman on the left more attractive?
	You mean the white one?
	She happens to be white, but is the woman on the left more attractive?
	In my personal opinion, yes.
	But there are some people who are disgusted with white people and won't date them based on that.
	That is true.
	Yeah, but in that picture, though, I think even if you're discussing with white people, you would still pick someone.
	Anti-white racists are going to have to make a compromise.
	I think even if you hate white people with every inch of your body, you would still pick the white one.
	I mean, objectively, I guess my question is.
	Yeah, by Western standards.
	But like, so we say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
	But what are the things that we're looking at when it comes to the woman on the left that we're able to come to a determination collectively?
	And it's universal, almost near universal, that the woman on the left is more attractive.
	Like, what is it about her?
	I think it's that the United States has such a stronghold in the world with media, movies, everything, that like the white culture is what people have seen all over.
	But if you went to Africa or wherever she was, you know, in her village, she could be aware of that.
	I think she's Australian Aboriginal.
	Okay.
	Ben, Australian Aboriginal.
	Yeah, but let's go with Africa.
	I still, I'm pretty sure even the African people are would not think she was attractive.
	No, actually, Holly, I never thought this.
	I agree with you on that.
	I think, yeah, the Western beauty standard is what most of the world sees.
	So it is what most of the world values.
	This can work in the reverse, too.
	Like, you could show somebody a really beautiful black person and like a really, really ugly white person.
	And even though they're white, they'd be like, yeah, the black person's more attractive.
	Not where I grew up.
	There's some people who would be like, I will absolutely notice Stacey Dash.
	I don't know if she's mixed.
	I don't know if that's fair.
	Stacy Dash.
	Clueless, you know the black girl from Clueless?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	She's like really attractive black.
	I don't know if people are going to be like, well, she's mixed.
	Is she?
	I don't know.
	Beyonce.
	Stacy Dash.
	Beyonce's a beautiful black woman.
	Nah, Stacey Dash is more true.
	Okay.
	Stacy Dash.
	Was married to, gosh, the tall guy that died that's English.
	Oh, she's beautiful.
	What's her name?
	Seal?
	No, not Seal.
	No.
	That's a man.
	Who's the guy?
	David Bowie.
	He was married to.
	You guys know David Bowie.
	Yeah, but we're from different decades.
	We don't know his wife.
	What's her name?
	Missy.
	She's beautiful.
	I'm holding you to that.
	Okay.
	Naomi Campbell is beautiful.
	I'm trying to think of other ones that are.
	But I mean, like, there's plenty of black women who I can think of.
	And you show a black, a really attractive black woman and an ugly white woman to a white person.
	They're like, yeah, the black person's more attractive.
	Yeah, but a super racist white guy, they won't say that.
	I think even a racist white guy.
	I grew up, unfortunately, around a lot of racists.
	And no.
	I mean, we can find some really unremarkable white people and like some really attractive black people.
	So, I mean.
	Yeah.
	I agree with that.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, let's.
	Was there something else we had to react to?
	Oh, we have a chat here.
	Lactose, the intolerant.
	A key characteristic of an apex predator is having no natural predators of their own.
	Humans can't be apex predators for other humans because that would violate this key characteristic.
	Proving they are not an apex predator.
	Please use my money to buy dictionary.
	Ooh, but it could work for women to men.
	It could work for men hunt women.
	So men can't be men's apex predator, but men can be women's.
	Yeah, but in nature, you're typically talking about interspecies.
	Yeah.
	And right here, I'm talking about gender.
	Interspecies predation.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but criminality is like abnormal, adverse psychology.
	Wait, hold on.
	Where the fuck am I?
	What kind of word salad am I about to say?
	What am I not to say here?
	I don't think you can frame the dynamics between men and women through the lens of predation.
	You just can't.
	Brian, you got to start watching Dateline.
	Everybody's like, he was the best guy ever, and they were so in love.
	And then she ended up in the woods in a freezer.
	Yeah, in a freezer.
	I'm just saying, look, I think there's a little bit of you guys are getting very comfortable with the man-hating.
	I don't hate men.
	I love men.
	I love men, and I can tell you what I love about men.
	Anti-Menrock.
	The anti-male rhetoric is a little, it's a bit much shit.
	It's a bit much.
	This girl over here.
	I don't know if it was, you know, the one-child policy in China that got her a little upset.
	I got it.
	What?
	Who said that?
	I have to say.
	Hey, look, there's a lot of misogyny in China.
	This is true.
	They fucking aborted the baby girls.
	Anyways, and now there's less because there's too many men, and there's like very few women.
	All right.
	Would you date?
	What's his name?
	Zi Jinping?
	How do you say the leader's name?
	Xi Jinping?
	Sorry, Xi Jinping.
	That's the first thing.
	Yeah, the president.
	He's a taken man.
	No.
	If he was single.
	Probably not.
	I don't think that's a good thing.
	Do you think like those top top CCP people, do you think they like fuck prostitutes?
	Yeah.
	Like, I feel like that.
	Well, it's a very crazy.
	I feel like politicians.
	Politicians.
	Wait, what?
	Wait.
	How'd she get that?
	How did he get back?
	I was wondering.
	Okay.
	Naomi Campbell, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Who was that?
	Amon.
	She was missing.
	Beautiful.
	Take the phone, Felicity.
	Oh, come on.
	Come on.
	Take the phone, Felicity.
	Oh, come on.
	Come on.
	We'll just hide it.
	Come on.
	All right, whatever.
	Wait, what were we talking about?
	If I would date the leader of China.
	Do we think politicians get hookers?
	His daughter is my age.
	That would be bizarre.
	Would you date his son?
	Maybe he's the rest of it.
	No, he doesn't have a son.
	Oh, shit.
	But I mean, if he had a child, would you have dated young Joseph Stalin?
	Let's open up.
	I think so.
	Show a picture of him.
	Let's see what he looks like.
	Hey, can you Google young Joseph Stalin?
	Is this before the crimes are I?
	He's a fucking starter.
	Oh, he's hot then, yeah.
	I feel like I remember him being hot.
	Yeah, but he also murdered like millions of people.
	Yeah, that's why I said before.
	But like, he was a bad day.
	But what?
	He was kidding.
	He's cute.
	He's a little bit of a dad.
	Would you guys do young people?
	Click one of the first photos?
	Do I know what he's going to become?
	Yeah, like what information do you have?
	Isn't that scary that something you don't go for looks?
	You just don't know what you're going to do.
	There are plenty of ugly serial killers too, though.
	Would you date him?
	I would definitely give him a chance for one date so I could get to know him.
	What did he do?
	Murdered like 40 million people.
	He was the leader of Russia.
	He was crazy.
	Apparently, that whole thing.
	Just some casual genocide.
	Just casual genocide.
	Well, touch a genocide.
	Who here would date him, though?
	Are we talking before?
	Like, do we know any dating him?
	So he's like probably revolutionary.
	I don't know how old he was when he did genocide.
	I'm on a dairy.
	Yes, like one date, you know, get to know him, share some food.
	If I just saw a guy that looked like that, give him a chance.
	Who else should we do?
	Is this like kind of should we do Mao Zedong?
	Oh my goodness.
	Like young Mao Zedong.
	He was a babe.
	Yeah, young Mao Zedong.
	I don't know who he should be.
	Do you even know how to spell Mao Zedong?
	We don't know these people.
	I bet Mary doesn't even know how to spell that shit.
	She's like, is that a Chinese restaurant?
	All right, Nick can do it.
	Get the man in there.
	Get the man in there.
	Did she spell it?
	Mao Zedong.
	Bro.
	No.
	Okay, would you guys date young Mao Chairman Mao?
	We haven't seen what he looks like.
	Yeah, I'm trying to get a...
	Come on.
	You can let Nick in there.
	He's a faster typer.
	Is he?
	What's your words per minute?
	All right.
	Get that pulled up.
	Can we get a scroll down?
	Scroll down.
	He was also unfortunately handsome.
	Scroll down.
	They tend to be, don't they?
	That's old Mao.
	No, Hitler was ugly.
	Okay.
	I thought ugliness was.
	I mean, he wasn't a bad-looking guy.
	Hitler?
	Young Hitler.
	He was weird-looking young.
	No, he looked weird.
	I thought beauty was in the eye of the side.
	In my eyes, it was weird.
	Yeah, in my eyes, Hitler looked weird as well.
	Can we do, like, should we do Benito Mussolini or Mussolini?
	Let's do.
	Yeah, let's do Benito Mussolini, young Benito.
	What did this guy do?
	Odder than Hitler?
	I didn't know any of them.
	Benito Mussolini was an Italian fascist during World War II.
	You know what?
	It kind of looks like the young version of one of you.
	Doesn't it?
	Remember the young version?
	I'm Italian, so that does make sense.
	Look at this hat.
	What the fuck is that?
	He looks kind of like my brother.
	I should get a hat like that and just approach chicks and be like, what's up?
	What's that?
	Scroll back up.
	Show them the hat.
	That hat, you see that hat with the feathers?
	I would get so much pussy with that hat.
	Y'all would be all over me if I clicked that shit.
	Yeah, I could change the name of the show.
	Oh, God, wait, he's doing the fucking Roman salute.
	Let's get that out of there.
	All right, so, anyways, let's move on to some of the notes.
	Here, we're going to do some questionnaire shit.
	Oh, no, you know what?
	I need to talk to you about the whole Catholic stuff.
	Me.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	So you're Catholic, right?
	I'm Catholic.
	And you're also bisexual.
	I am.
	And you're also a leftist.
	Yes, I am.
	All right.
	That's interesting.
	And so you're, oh, and you're pro-pro-choice.
	Okay.
	Are you still, do you still consider yourself a Catholic?
	Yes, I do.
	Do you go to church?
	Yes.
	How often do you go to church?
	I try to do it every Sunday.
	Doesn't always happen.
	And you are aware that the Catholic Church has taken a stance against some of those things.
	That's a great position on abortion.
	Yes.
	Okay, how do you, I guess, reconcile that?
	I don't believe that life begins at conception.
	I believe that it begins at consciousness.
	But, so, okay, I'm not an expert in Catholicism, but don't you have to defer a little bit to the what the church is like?
	You're just, can you ignore the church as a Catholic?
	Not on every stance, but I mean, I believe in the fundamentals of the Catholic Church.
	Like the Trinity?
	Yeah, I believe in the Trinity.
	I believe in everything that we say in the Apostles' Creed.
	Okay.
	So.
	Do you believe in the Bible?
	So here's my take on the Bible.
	So the Bible was originally written in Aramaic, and then it was translated from Aramaic and partially Hebrew to Greek.
	And when it was translated from those languages to Greek, the translation was awful.
	It's not even close.
	Like the word for virgin that they used for Mary does not actually translate to virgin.
	It meant young girl.
	So with so many errors like that, I can't completely defer to the Bible.
	I have to think of the Bible more as like an allegory or the best guess because I don't speak Aramaic.
	So I can't read the original.
	The translations have been proven time and time again to be wildly accurate, inaccurate.
	And then, I mean, the King James Bible has redacted so much out of it.
	There are books that we don't have access to.
	Okay.
	Well, are there, what's it called?
	I mean, is that the official position of the Catholic faith?
	That the Bible is.
	No, they take the Bible as the word of God.
	Okay, so why do you differ from the official position?
	Sure, maybe the original one was, but now that it's been translated and mistranslated and redacted and changed and put in the hands of people who are using religion to control the masses and political power, then, yeah, all right.
	Now I think the Bible has been a bit bastardized into what we have it today.
	Okay, so you think, for example, like the new pope and all previous popes were wrong on the abortion topic?
	I disagree with them.
	You think they're wrong, though?
	Yeah.
	So just to be, and these are, you know, typically these are people who are quite expert.
	I would hope the Pope is an expert in.
	The Pope is also a monarch.
	He's still a political figure.
	But so I guess my confusion stands if all these theologians that are involved in the Catholic Church who have spent their life dedicated to the studying of the faith, the Bible, etc. They're wrong on this issue.
	Yeah, I think that they're wrong.
	I believe that they are.
	I also believe that they were wrong to shuffle around priests and hide essay back through all out history.
	I think they're wrong, but I don't think that there's any sort of biblical prescription.
	This would be like something related to what humans are doing, not something as prescribed by the faith.
	But again, that's my understanding.
	Like this would be like something wrong that they are specifically doing.
	Well, the Bible doesn't outright say you can't have an abortion.
	Well, I'm not a theologian.
	It didn't exist back then.
	I'm not a theologist.
	Did it?
	I mean, weren't there ways that women could, even historically or in archaic times.
	Yeah, eventually we got there, but there wasn't like surefight herbs and shit or, you know, whatever concoctions to try attempt to induce like a shoddy abortion or something.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I assume back then that would also be frowned upon, right?
	I don't know if it was frowned upon back then.
	Okay.
	Societally or otherwise.
	I'm asking you.
	But at least as it relates to the faith, it seems a bit, by the way, that was a bit of a red herring.
	Like, okay, well, the church did this and that's bad.
	I agree with you.
	What they did was bad.
	Yeah.
	I'm not like a Catholic apologist.
	I'm not Catholic.
	I'm not even Christian, by the way.
	Although I do want to say I do see massive amounts of value in Christianity, even from an agnostic perspective, I have very pro-Christian sentiments.
	But yeah, so I'm just kind of from an outsider's perspective looking into this.
	But knowing that the Catholics' position on this, the Pope's position on this, reaffirmed the church's opposition to abortion.
	I just, that's weird to me.
	Like, how do you reconcile being a Catholic but being pro-choice?
	Because the popes have changed their opinions throughout the years, not on pro-choice or pro-life or children.
	Not on this particular topic, but on other topics.
	The interpretation of certain things, the translation of things, has changed over the years.
	Because of that, I think that man's interpretation.
	I don't know.
	They have.
	Oh, sure.
	They have.
	And it's actually usually quite a big swing when we go from one pope to the next.
	One will be super conservative and then it'll swing to a super liberal and then it'll swing back.
	Right now, it actually was like kind of a half step.
	We went from super liberal to like a little bit more moderate, but not crazy conservative like they were expecting it to.
	But yeah, because of that, like you can now technically be a Catholic and get your divorce approved.
	You can be Catholic and now technically marry a Jew.
	You can get that approved by a bishop.
	So when I see things like that, I'm like, okay.
	So some of this is just men trying to interpret the word of God to the best of their abilities.
	And sometimes that's done so because they're trying to control other people because they're trying to gain political favor or whatever.
	And again, I don't speak the original Aramaic that the Bible was written in, but still it was written by man.
	So I put my faith in that a little bit looser.
	But yeah.
	Sure.
	We have Cherry.
	Thank you for the gifted 20 subs.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	In your other notes, you said you were kidnapped on a date once and you had to steal a car to get home.
	Yes.
	Quick recap on that, what happened?
	Yeah, so it was a guy that I went to high school with who was a bit older than me.
	I was a freshman when he was a senior.
	This was after I'd graduated high school.
	We were both home for the summer.
	We were flirting just via DMs, and then we agreed upon a date.
	He was going to take me out to just like a diner in my hometown.
	And he picked me up.
	And it's the only time I've ever let a guy pick me up in his car.
	I will never do that again.
	But he came and he picked me up.
	And his truck was like really shitty.
	Like seatbelts didn't work and it just beeped like the seatbelts weren't on the whole time.
	And he was like, yeah, it's kind of like a shitty truck.
	And we drove past the diner.
	And I was like, well, where are we going?
	He's like, oh.
	Well, I was thinking we could go to like the woods and like look at the stars.
	He was like, also, like, I have to leave the car running because if I shut it off, it has to like be down for like a certain amount of time.
	And then I have to jump it a certain way because it like doesn't, it's a bad car.
	And I was like, okay.
	So he's like, yeah, we'll just leave it running and then we'll like go and look at the stars.
	And I was like, this is not great.
	So he takes me to closed down nature center in my hometown.
	And I'm like, all right, I would like to leave now.
	And he was like, no, let's get in the bed of my truck.
	Let's get look at the stars.
	And so it did.
	And we kissed for a little bit because I was like, I need to figure out a way to get out of this.
	And then he was like, come on, let's go down by the lake.
	And as soon as he said that, I was like, that is where I will die.
	So no, we're not doing that.
	And then he was like, no, like, come follow me down to the lake.
	I was like, okay.
	So I got out of the bed of the truck.
	He like led.
	And then I turned, ran, got into the car, still had the keys in it, still running.
	And I peeled the fuck out of there with his truck.
	I went probably 100 miles an hour, got off to the highway, like the main little area in our hometown, just threw the keys far, like turned the car off, threw the keys out the window, and like started running down the highway.
	And then I hitchhiked home.
	And then I blocked him on everything.
	I think he lives in California now.
	So, John, if you're watching.
	Anyway, no, I'm good.
	That's a crazy situation, but I was 20.
	So.
	Oh, shit.
	He's got the shade.
	The heart.
	Those are definitely mine.
	Oh, sorry.
	No, it was shade time.
	I get it.
	Thank you.
	I like to believe I have a good fashion table.
	Are these from like the early 2000s?
	Honestly, I got them.
	I can't put them on my face because my lashes are too long.
	So they're just accessories?
	I guess you can run them.
	Yes.
	That's cute.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How did they look?
	Did they look good on me?
	Yeah.
	They looked amazing.
	Okay, you said you think we fundamentally disagree on most things.
	I'd say so.
	Yeah.
	You say primarily conservative, traditional.
	You say like evangelical.
	I'm not Christian, but Andrew.
	Andrew, who's frequently on.
	He's Orthodox Christian.
	Is that the one that can't open the pickle jar?
	That is Andrew Wilson.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	That's the one that I was thinking of when I saw that.
	Hold on.
	He did open it eventually.
	No, that one did.
	The hot one you have back here opened up the pickle jar.
	Well, there was the pickle jars and the olive jar.
	So I didn't see the olive jar.
	Technically, the pickle jar he got.
	Okay.
	No, pickle jar, I think, was him.
	No, the olive jar he struggled with, but the pickle jar, he got it.
	Okay.
	And just to be clear, it was greased.
	It got greased, okay?
	Well, then don't judge the lady for not being able to open it.
	Look, all I can say is Andrew's a very strong man.
	He's got a firm handshake, but...
	He is built like a praying mantis.
	Hold on, just to be clear, the olive jars, okay?
	There's a technique to opening them.
	And if you don't know the technique, you're going to struggle.
	I don't know.
	I feel like chair one could open up an olive jar.
	Well, she's also steroids.
	Can we stop talking about the fact that I did steroids?
	I'm just Jack.
	You are Jack.
	Just go to Gemini, eat healthy.
	We are going to do.
	Hold on.
	Oh, okay.
	So I guess what do we disagree with?
	You said you're a very live-and-let-live leftist.
	Yeah.
	You said we disagree entirely on gender roles and values.
	Yeah.
	You said you're a well-educated, well-traveled woman working in two near terreley male-dominated industries.
	By the way, men here are well-traveled and here had sex with a bunch of men in different areas, but just FYI.
	Well, they're wrong about that, but all right.
	Just in general.
	Okay.
	I didn't think that about you.
	You kind of give off.
	It's fine.
	I've been to 31 countries.
	I would consider that well-traveled.
	That's really cool.
	Just saying.
	That's what our primitive male brains here are.
	But when you traveled a lot, you said you don't believe that there's a biological determination as to who should be dominant or submissive in relationships between the genders.
	You don't believe romantic relationships need to have a dominant and submissive dynamic.
	So what do you mean by that?
	We can have a back and forth.
	Given that I am bisexual and I'm interested in women as well, I don't feel that I have necessarily a biological drive that makes me have to go towards men.
	I certainly love men and I love them for very specific reasons and I would go towards a relationship with them wanting those things.
	But yeah, I'm not.
	Are you okay?
	Just the scooter shirt over.
	Oh.
	My nipples are all the way here.
	Okay, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	She's just got a lot of side buttons.
	Female anatomy, apparently.
	Just looking out for you.
	Okay, so you're bisexual.
	So you don't believe in.
	What about if we move away the language from dominant and submissive, what about lead or follower?
	I would say the same thing.
	Yeah, I don't think that a man necessarily has to be even the more masculine one in the relationship.
	If you want to have like the traditional masculine and feminine like balancing act dynamic, maybe the woman's a little bit more masculine and the man's a little bit more feminine and that works for them.
	So do you go 50-50 on dates?
	I haven't been on a date in a long time and my last relationship made way more than I did.
	Oh, so it wasn't, he always went ahead and paid just because financially it made the most sense.
	But hold on.
	Seems a bit, he's really high earner.
	Seems a bit dominant of him and traditional for him to pay for the dates.
	I would say he was probably the more dominant one in our specific relationship.
	Hold on, just to be clear, your five-year relationship, your longest relationship, your most recent relationship.
	Yes.
	You say that you don't believe romantic relationships need to have dominant, submissive dynamic, yet.
	Yeah, I don't think inherently that they do.
	I don't think that you can just paint it with a broad brush.
	I would say that he was more the leader in the financial aspect, for sure, in our relationship, but I don't think that that's something that has to be a universal truth for all heterosexual relationships.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	I can envision a relationship where the woman is more dominant than the man, and those relationships do exist.
	But you seem to have disagreement on what then?
	Do you think it's not the natural order of things?
	Where's your disagreement?
	I've seen, when I've seen clips of this show, it has been argued that the man has to biologically lead the woman like he has to, and he won't feel fulfilled if he doesn't have that.
	If he can't be the provider, then he won't feel fulfilled, which is probably true for some guys, but certainly not for all of them.
	Well, I would actually say that the issue is less with the men in that situation and more with the women.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm sure that's probably true for some of them too.
	I think men probably, if you ask them, they would actually be okay forsaking some of their traditional gender roles so long as the women were okay with it.
	I think it happens to be the case that women are, they don't want men to forsake their traditional gender roles.
	Maybe, I don't know.
	So, the ones, for example, and these are the ones that typically place a burden on men and make life a little bit easier for women.
	So, paying for first dates or having the almost exclusive burden of initiative.
	So, and when I say initiative, I mean making the first approach, carrying the conversation, asking for the number, following up, texting, setting up the date, planning the date, paying for the date, moving things forward.
	Oh, is she down to move things forward?
	No, okay.
	Rinse and repeat for second date, third date, move things forward physically, go for the first kiss, move things towards sex.
	These are all things that typically fall on the man.
	Women love that men keep that shit.
	They love that the initiative and the burden there continues to fall on men.
	I don't, I mean, I don't think that's a universal truth for all women.
	I didn't say for all women.
	Yeah.
	And I don't even know that it's the majority, but I think it's the majority.
	Okay, then maybe it is.
	Well, I mean, so you think the majority of women initiate?
	No, I'm saying I don't know.
	Although I do know quite a few women who have initiated their relationships.
	Who have initiated?
	Yeah.
	Do they initiate to the same degree that men initiate?
	In their particular relationship, they were the ones that initiated.
	Initiate what?
	Sex?
	No, well, all the different breakdowns of when initiation would occur.
	Yeah, I've met some pretty overzealous women who are like, I'm just going to get this going.
	And a lot of guys drag their feet.
	So sometimes, yeah, it will be women that initiate these conversations.
	You're arguing that's the exception to the rule.
	Overwhelmingly, men have to initiate.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I'm not saying that that's like an inherent truth that works for everybody.
	That was my whole point: I don't think we live in this rigid thing where it's like that is the norm and that's what has to happen.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	Do you think an average woman can never initiate anything in her entire life and still get a man?
	Not possibility, probability.
	Initiate anything in her entire life?
	Yeah, so when it comes to dating, an average-looking woman, need she take steps of initiative to get a boyfriend?
	I think she would have to at least take the initiative of putting herself out there in some capacity.
	What is it?
	Like either going on dating apps or going out somewhere with the intention of meeting someone.
	Okay, what else?
	Does she have any other burdens or responsibilities?
	I think that there's probably somebody that would take her up on her not bearing any responsibility.
	You said, is it possible?
	Yeah, I think it's possible.
	No, but I'm asking.
	Yes, it is possible, but is it probable?
	No.
	She doesn't take any initiative in any capacity?
	Sorry, just to be clear.
	No.
	I don't know how else to explain this.
	Sorry, I did hit two Tylenol back there earlier.
	Okay.
	If you compare an average man to an average woman, what are the differences in terms of the initiative that each has to take to get to where they want to go?
	Then, yeah, probably men would have to put in more initiatives.
	So here's how I would paint it.
	Okay.
	I think maybe it's not the case for all women, but most women can get away with just showing up to the club and men will come up to you.
	As a man, if you go to the club and you just do what women do, which is not do anything really, no girls are coming to talk to you.
	I've been to the club countless times.
	And you saw one girl.
	No, I'm saying I've gone out with my average-looking friends and I've never seen some of them get approached.
	You always argue to, oh, okay, sure, there's women who go out to bars and on a specific night, they never get approached.
	They might even be really good-looking.
	They don't get approached.
	I'm not even going to dispute that.
	But if you take an average-looking girl, or let's just say it's like a, you know, I don't know, maybe slightly above average, put her in a bar, whatever, she's gonna, there's a much higher likelihood that she'll be approached than the her looks-equivalent guy.
	You're giving me a hypothetical and going, isn't this anecdote probably what happens?
	And then I give you anecdotes from my real life, and you're like, Don't do that.
	Okay, yeah, and you're hypothetical, probably.
	What do you mean, in my hypothetical?
	Okay, I imagine an average woman can just go out.
	How many times have you been to bars or clubs?
	A lot.
	More than I can put a finger on.
	You're telling me that there's it's 50-50 women approaching men, men approaching women.
	It's just 50-50.
	I've approached more men than men have approached me at bars and clubs.
	So I'm not paying attention to other chicks.
	I find that that's just the reality.
	I mean, you can doubt it, but I've given you my lived experience.
	How many men have you approached?
	A lot, more than I can put a number to.
	Congratulations, you're the outlier.
	What about all the other women that you're not?
	I'm not looking at what other bitches are doing unless I'm trying to.
	What the fuck?
	I'm not looking at what other women are doing.
	What do you think other people are doing?
	I don't know.
	I don't.
	I'm not trying to pretend that I know the answer to that.
	I'll make it super easy.
	You have a public Instagram?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Have you ever slid into somebody's DMs?
	Yes.
	How many times?
	At least like five.
	Okay, how many men have slid into your DMs?
	A lot.
	Okay, there's an asymmetry in the frequency with which you're DMing men versus how many men you're DMing versus how many men are DMing you.
	Sure.
	Okay, I'm sure I could ask all the women here at the table.
	They would probably say there's massive asymmetry between how many men they've DM'd versus how many men have DM'd them.
	Yes.
	Okay, this would indicate that there is some asymmetry when it comes to initiative between the sexes.
	Sure.
	And I think that this equally applies to more organic situations, whether it's at a bar, a club, or a party.
	Men are more likely to take initiative in these environments also.
	And more broadly speaking, in all other romantic contexts, men are going to make the first move.
	Okay.
	Here we can do it like this.
	I can also ask about first kiss.
	Who initiates the first kiss?
	The men or the women?
	Yes, I agree.
	Sometimes women go for the first kiss first.
	I'd say overwhelmingly, men are initiating first kisses and all other steps of initiative too.
	I haven't asked.
	I haven't taken a poll.
	How about you?
	Of all the times you've had a first kiss, was it you who was like, I mean, in all of my experiences with first kisses, we kind of were moving in at the same time.
	You lock eyes and you're like going in.
	Is that not how you do?
	What are you just lady sitting here and you just kind of, is that what your first kiss is like?
	Because for me, it's usually you're making eyes.
	I feel like you kind of do a smile and then you go in.
	I feel like this is a bit of a convenient thing for women to do, but like I think most guys' thought processes, as the guy, when you're going for the kiss, I agree that sometimes it can be like a, wow, this is really the moment.
	But I feel like the guys just kind of fucking go for it.
	And it's overwhelmingly the guy that's going for it.
	Maybe you and in your woman brain, you're like, oh, I also participated in making the kiss happen when it was really the guy who initiated the kiss.
	Are you be honest with me, Brian?
	Are you just going in without the whole like eye contact and smile before you go in for the kiss?
	What are you talking about?
	I'm saying, my experience, when it comes to a first kiss, you like lock eyes and you smile in a certain way where you're like, all right, we're going to go in for a kiss now.
	And then you guys go in for a kiss.
	So I'm not.
	I've had guys just kind of go for it and they're like, I'm like in the middle of talking about the Roman Empire and then I just fucking go for it.
	Like I'm not doing that shit.
	I'm definitely, I'm not doing that shit.
	But it's like there is the moment, there is the lull in the conversation.
	And if I didn't go first, she's not coming first.
	Is she not initiating anything like with her body language to indicate that she would like you to kiss her?
	Hold on.
	Now you're goalpost shifting here.
	Let's assume that the body language is there and she wants to fuck me with an urgency.
	Great.
	But fantastic.
	But somebody has to make the first move.
	Somebody's physically leaning in.
	Yeah, that's the initiative.
	I would say that some initiative too is like if she's getting closer to you, if she's snuggling up, you don't think that that's initiative for Physicians?
	I'm the one who's initiating that also.
	Is she backing away?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, then you're into that shit.
	Then that's great.
	You're just a little bit overzealous at that point.
	Maybe don't do all of it.
	Let her cuddle in.
	Oh my God, bro.
	You say that, but maybe it's because you're a bit more aggressive with your sexual pursuits or whatever.
	But I'm telling you, if guys were waiting, if guys were just waiting around for women to make the move, the women wouldn't make the move.
	Wait around, Brian.
	Let the next lady surprise you.
	I'm literally telling you, if a guy is being passive, if he's not proactively trying to move things forward, look, there are situations where girls will do that.
	I'm not denying it.
	But if guys are being passive, trust me, it's going to be to the girl's just going to get so frustrated.
	She either loses interest or it'll be the fucking 10th date.
	And she's like, pussy, why have you not tried to kiss me yet?
	It's this idea that, oh, the guy can, it's equal.
	They're both doing it at the same time.
	No, the guy has to make that initial, it's why it's called initiative.
	He has to make the initial move.
	All right.
	All right.
	I'll take your word for it.
	I know you're all over the dudes that you deal with, okay?
	You're fucking all over them.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	I like what I like.
	That's fine, but maybe you're more sexually aggressive.
	And I'm telling you, most women don't move like that.
	All right.
	I'll take your word for it.
	You've lived as a man and I haven't.
	Even, so okay, I'll give you, I'll give you my own anecdotes, and you'll be like, well, they have different anecdotes.
	Even women who are like insanely into me, insanely, right?
	Fucking love me, right?
	No, but I'll give you the context so you think I'm not just fucking gassing you up.
	These are women.
	These are women.
	This is like back in, I'll say it was two, three years ago.
	Early on when I started the podcast, 2023, I had a couple ladies who, you know, they've reached out to me, right?
	They reach out to me.
	So they've already shown initiative.
	Okay.
	Reach out to me.
	They flew from across the country on their own dime to come and see me.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	I'm still having to move things forward in that way.
	They're not going to make the first move.
	I don't know if it's because they're a bit shy, whatever.
	They don't want to be perceived a certain way.
	I still have to make the move.
	I don't know.
	Flying across the country, Brian.
	That sounds like she made the first move.
	That's a pretty big move.
	No, that is.
	No, I'm not saying.
	No, the fact that they contacted me first, the fact that they flew to come and see me, that's initiative.
	But when it comes to like specific steps of initiative, right?
	A lot of it's still gonna fall on the guy.
	Okay.
	But do you think that's inherently a bad thing?
	Not necessarily, but if we're having a conversation about.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Sorry.
	You just got your microphone muted.
	Mute chair three.
	All right.
	All right.
	You're muted for, what is it?
	Is it 10 minutes?
	What's the.
	I forgot.
	It's mutual.
	No, the rules.
	Dude, $500 to make me shut up.
	You can speak directly.
	I'll never speak again.
	If you want to kick her off, it's a 0.2 Bitcoin.
	That's a lot.
	What is it?
	10 minutes.
	You got to mute the microphone for 10 minutes.
	Let's go.
	All right.
	Microphone muted.
	I'll move on to somebody else then.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	We have Maddie Mae.
	Oh, we're back.
	Okay.
	Actually, I don't know if there's really.
	Your biggest controvers.
	Okay, we did that.
	You disagree with the show host quite a bit, but not as much as I thought.
	Yeah, we're homies.
	Yeah, we're buds.
	You're my Caucasian.
	A what?
	You're my Caucasian.
	Okay.
	You know how.
	Yeah, I get what you're going with.
	You know where I'm.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	See, you're my Caucasian.
	See?
	I got it.
	Mandy, let's see.
	You describe yourself as your favorite tattooed muscle mommy.
	You have a scorpion on your stomach.
	Oh, I wanted to ask: what is a red flag tattoo?
	You guys think there's like a red flag tattoo that a guy could have?
	Whole panel.
	Anybody on the panel can't swastika.
	Yeah.
	Jesus.
	Okay.
	How about like something.
	I mean, yeah, she's right, but a broken cigarette.
	A broken cigarette?
	Always fuck boys.
	Which is common.
	That's a common tattoo.
	It was.
	I've dealt with it a few times.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Interesting.
	Maybe like the teardrops, too.
	Oh, yeah, like you've killed somebody.
	What about something that's not like super obviously a red flag, though, but is a red flag?
	A picture of another chick's face.
	Okay, sure.
	Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
	That's fair.
	Or like somebody's name.
	Like an ex-wife's name.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Anybody?
	Who has tattoos here?
	Show of hands.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, everybody but me.
	I don't have any tattoos.
	Cherry cream says that flex chair one.
	Canadian.
	Oh, this is your boyfriend or something.
	My boyfriend?
	He's Canadian.
	It's a Canadian person.
	My boyfriend?
	I don't have a boyfriend.
	Okay, if you say so.
	I don't have a boyfriend.
	I haven't talked to a dude for a very long time.
	How long have you been celibate?
	Well, I have, well, before a couple months ago, it was like two years.
	And then I'm usually celibate in my life, to be honest.
	I don't have that much sex.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	All right.
	Gave up.
	You said you're a stripper, OnlyFans girl, and you wrote, well, we already talked about it.
	You said this shit sucks.
	Yeah.
	You wanted to talk about how negative an R-slurred it is.
	But we already talked about that, I guess.
	Okay, you stripping for seven years, bought a bunch of properties, sober.
	Have you done any escorting?
	Yeah.
	Anyone here done escorting?
	Nobody?
	Escorting?
	No.
	Sugar, baby?
	PayPigs?
	PayPigs?
	You got some pay pigs?
	Looking at you, Holly.
	Holly's got some.
	Holly's got some.
	Okay.
	You wrote on one of your Instagram posts, it's like a caption.
	Rejecting a guy because you have a boyfriend is like rejecting money because you have a job.
	Yeah, I did write that.
	It's a rage bait.
	I don't actually believe it.
	Oh, it didn't even get that much.
	No, I actually don't.
	I actually don't really think that.
	All right, Marcelina.
	Is that how you say your name?
	Marcelina, yeah.
	Marcelina, you said you.
	Oh, tell us about the nose ring.
	You have the septum piercing.
	Yeah, I just like it.
	I don't know.
	Like, I've always been made fun of for my nose or told I need a nose job, but I feel like for me, it's like makeup.
	Turn my nose.
	Yeah, those are fun.
	Yeah, it's great.
	But no, for me, it's like makeup.
	I also like that I could just hide it.
	Have you ever had any guys say they don't like it?
	Oh, yeah.
	But I've also had guys that say they love it.
	Yeah, no, I've had guys literally come up to me and be like, oh, you'd be prettier without it.
	I'm like, okay.
	And I like it.
	I don't know.
	You said you dated somebody who turned out to be nothing like who you thought he was.
	Red flags.
	Oh, my God.
	He was dangerous.
	Yeah, I've had to file two restraining orders against my exes.
	That one, the one I was talking about, I don't know how much I want to disclose, but I, oh, God, I was 19.
	He was 10 years older than me.
	And I let a lot of shit slide.
	But there was just a point where I'm like, I hate saying the word ick, but like, there was just enough.
	Like, I told him what I wasn't like happy and like what was bothering me, but whatever.
	I was like, hey, like, we're breaking up.
	Like, I'm done with you.
	And he's like, no, no, we're not.
	I'm like, what do you mean?
	Like, we're done.
	We're done.
	And I tried initiating it.
	I did.
	And he just wouldn't like leave me alone.
	I got indirect proof of this somehow crazily, like hundreds of miles away.
	But he doused my car in acid.
	He's, yeah, he's put a loaded gun to my head.
	And when I tried filing the restraining order, he like had just, he knew his way around the law.
	He's also like made fake photographer accounts to try and contact me and like claim like, oh, like, you know, I'd love to shoot you, whatever.
	But yeah, I ended up finding out that he killed a girl.
	And I don't know if it was an accident because it looked like one, but I know like how his mind worked and he had his way around the law.
	So yeah, so that was one relationship.
	That's serious.
	Yeah.
	I heard, apparently, I mean, this was what?
	Six years ago or five years ago.
	And he was harassing me for like five, six months afterwards.
	But I just found out from a friend that apparently he's in prison.
	So you're all now.
	I think we're out there.
	But I don't know for why because he got away with the other whatever.
	But yeah, he destroyed my car.
	And he, yeah, it was just whole thing.
	And then people are like, oh, like, why would you date that?
	I'm like, I didn't know.
	But also, like, I don't know why.
	Months later when I was like, you know what, like, I want to break up with him.
	I decided to like search up his name.
	And I don't know how much I want to say, but I found out that there was like a flag, like a government watch on him.
	So I was like, okay.
	And I think he was lying about a lot, like finances.
	And just he joked about stabbing somebody when his like ex-wife cheated on him and shit like that.
	But I ignored a lot of red flags when I was 19, but I've learned better.
	So restraining orders.
	Yeah, fun.
	Okay.
	And you also wrote that you say you think communication is everything.
	You should be able to fully share yourself with your partner.
	Can't handle that.
	They're not for you.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you have any hot takes or anything?
	Any hot takes?
	Oh, man.
	I think your partner should have full access to your phone.
	I've told people that and they think I'm crazy for it.
	But I'm not saying like, I don't want to wake up and you're going through my phone.
	But I just, this is, I guess, maybe from experience because I've had like an boyfriend or I guess ex obviously doubt me or whatever.
	I'm like, here's my phone.
	Like, I don't know.
	I never want to make you feel like there's any doubt.
	And like, my life is your life kind of thing.
	Like, you shouldn't have to hide who you are at all.
	Cause then, like, why are you with somebody you're not comfortable with?
	Like, you should never feel like there's any doubt.
	So, like, how do I wear this?
	Like, if I'm dating somebody, I never have a doubt.
	Like, maybe it's like a whole karma thing.
	But if I, at the end of the day, if you're cheating, I'm gonna find out you're cheating.
	Like, I don't wanna like sit around dating somebody and have like doubt in the back of my mind.
	Like, I wanna live life and like feel like I'm with somebody.
	Like, that's a good person.
	Like, I don't wanna be stressing.
	Like, I'm with you because I love you and I think you're a good person.
	And if you're not, I'm gonna find out.
	But I don't know.
	I just think my phone's your phone, vice versa.
	Word.
	By the way, guys, Nick, if you can pull it up for me, TTS is now $69.
	We're dropping the TTS to $69.
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	So if the boys can test out a little prime sub in the chat and try to fix it, I think it's bugged.
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	Very much appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you guys.
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	And let's see what else.
	Okay, moving on through the blasting through the notes here.
	Gonna try to get it done quick.
	Eleanor, Eleanor, Eleanor.
	Are you gonna name?
	Can you name a daughter Eleanor?
	Like the same name as you?
	So it's like, can I have an Eleanor junior?
	Can you have a female junior?
	I think so.
	I mean, this probably isn't the best place to cite it, but they did it in King of the Hill.
	They had a junior, a girl who was junior.
	Yeah, man.
	I've totally forgot both of the characters' names, but the girl was named after her dad and they called her junior.
	Kokomo, thank you for the gifted five.
	You said that you've definitely went on a date where a guy invited you out to eat and you're ready to pay for your own food because normally on first dates, you like to go 50-50.
	You insisted on paying, and oh, he insisted on paying, and you weren't going to argue it.
	The bill comes, he pays, and you're getting your to-go boxes, and then he takes your leftovers.
	And then he tells you that because he paid for the food, he's going to take your leftovers.
	Yeah.
	So I was like, I was 19.
	And this was one of my coworkers when I was still a server.
	And like, we ended up going to Roscoe's.
	And yeah, like, like I said, normally, me personally, I definitely think if it's a first date, we should go 50-50 unless like the person who asked offers to pay, you know?
	I don't think like if I'm a girl, I'm gonna be like, hey, you should take me out on a date.
	Like, I don't expect you as a man to pay.
	I would expect this to either go 50-50 or I'm gonna pay because I'm the one who asked you.
	But he insisted on paying for the food.
	And I'm like, okay, you know, like, if you really wanna pay, it's cool.
	Like, I can pay for myself though.
	He really said, like, no, I'm a pay.
	Like, it's a gentleman thing to do.
	And we get the bill, and like, he pays.
	And then the lady brings it to Go Boxes.
	And then I'm about to put my food in my box.
	And he's like, no, I'm going to put it in my box.
	And at first, like, mind you, I didn't really understand what was going on.
	I was like, oh, like, are we saving boxes?
	Like, am I coming over later?
	And then he was like, yeah, like, I'm going to eat this later.
	Like, I'm like, this is going to be dinner to me.
	And when I was 19, I was definitely not as outspoken and confident as I am now.
	So I kind of just let it happen.
	And then I told my bestie about it once I got home.
	And I'm like, hey, so like this happened.
	And like he took my leftovers.
	It's like, is that weird?
	And then she told me, like, no, that is valid.
	That is definitely weird.
	That is definitely weird.
	Well, don't let him pay if you guys are eating out okay when he's gonna take your leftovers.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	But then when he did, did you keep seeing the guy though?
	Well, at work when we worked together, but we never really date again.
	No.
	But it was a date.
	Yeah.
	Well, I had a crush on him.
	So I, in my, in my brain, it was a date.
	In my brain, it was.
	That is weird.
	I mean, like, that is kind of weird.
	Even if he paid for it, usually whoever, like, you were touching the food eating.
	No, like, like, my, like, it's chicken.
	So I bit into it, you know?
	And he took my chicken.
	Even if I paid for somebody else, I didn't want their leftovers.
	This is, I don't know.
	Yeah, like, that's crazy.
	I thought that was so crazy.
	I thought I was crazy.
	Like, I was like, but did you lose interest, or he both of you didn't?
	No, honestly, that definitely made me lose interest.
	Because, you know, I was already willing to pay for my part.
	Wait, but you said you had a crush on him.
	I did have a crush on him.
	Question.
	Did y'all kick it afterwards?
	No.
	He dropped me back off to school.
	I was in college.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Just double check.
	Yeah, I was 19, college.
	Was if he had tried to be like, hey, let's go back to my place and kick it.
	Would you think, like, were you DTF?
	Honestly, probably not because at that age.
	Leftover thing.
	No, no.
	At that age, like, mentally, I wasn't really like casually like dating or hooking up.
	You had a crush on the guy.
	You like the guy.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, when I was 19, like, I wasn't like, I was a little bit more, hmm, how do I say that?
	Were you like a virgin?
	No, I had a boyfriend in high school.
	So I wasn't a virgin.
	I guess I was a little bit more like more.
	Inexperienced.
	Yeah, inexperienced, but I guess against hooking up with people who aren't my boyfriend.
	But you have done that.
	Well, eventually, yes, yes, eventually.
	But when I was 19 at that point of time, I wasn't really willing to hook up with him like that.
	But like, okay, let's say he took you on maybe, let's say he took you on two or three more dates, whatever.
	Like, you liked the guy, you were DTF.
	But he fumbled because of the leftover.
	Maybe, you know, I can't tell.
	I can't really remember how 19-year-old Eleanor was thinking.
	But if you're asking 27-year-old Eleanor, probably, yeah.
	Was he still trying to hang out with you afterwards?
	Or?
	Like, sometimes after work, but like, you know, we never really went anywhere.
	I think the most we ever really hung out was like in group settings with all the other co-workers.
	Was it the white guy?
	No, I think he was Latino.
	Latino?
	Yeah, his last name was um well, I'm actually not gonna dox anyone, but his last name was Hispanic for sure.
	It was definitely Spanish.
	He would have been Filipino, though.
	No, no, I know for sure he was.
	Filipinos have they do, but I know for sure that he wasn't Filipino.
	Oh, okay.
	I have a question.
	Yeah.
	Did Andrew Tate answer?
	I can look.
	Can you check Cumber?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'll look when I'm concerned for that.
	Nope, sorry.
	Chris.
	Wait, so okay.
	Wait, do you date?
	Do you have a racial preference when it comes to dating?
	Like Asian guys, white guys, black guys?
	Any preference?
	I wouldn't say I have a preference, but I guess based off statistics, I've dated mostly like Latino and black men.
	Right now.
	What's up?
	Nah, I'm good.
	So wait, hold on.
	Okay.
	Do you not like Asian guys?
	Because I've heard like Asian women say, I don't like Asian.
	Asian men.
	They'd say that, not me.
	So straight.
	think for me um like when i was growing up i wasn't really hanging out with like the asians like that most of my friends were either like from long beach Yes.
	Okay.
	Most of my friends were like either like Latino or black.
	And like, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of Asians in Long Beach, but you know, like, I was cool with them.
	I just like didn't really hang out with them like that, you know?
	You can kick it with the Asians.
	Yeah, I guess not.
	I guess not.
	And like, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of fine Asian men, but I guess like there's also like, I just feel like maybe I'm also not Asian men's type.
	Because, you know, like, I've definitely been to, I'm serious.
	I'm serious.
	Like, I've been to like, what is it?
	This like bar or this club in K-Town.
	And, like, you know, like, no, like, men don't approach me in the Asian clubs.
	Yeah, so I feel like maybe I'm just not Asian men's type, you know?
	And that's fine.
	That's cool.
	What about you?
	Do you do you date Asian guys or historically not really, just because I grew up in a predominantly white community, and then in college, I mostly dated black and Latino and Middle Eastern men.
	Yeah.
	So I just, I don't come across Asian men that often.
	And I also feel like I might not be their type either.
	Interesting.
	Very interesting.
	Okay, let me check my notes here.
	I think we almost.
	Oh, we got.
	Okay, we got Emily.
	And then we have.
	There's like.
	Damn, Emily, you sent me a fuck ton of notes.
	Holy shit.
	This girl send me a novel.
	God damn.
	We might not be able to hit everything, but I'll try to get as much as possible.
	Is Josie, our dear friend Josie, is she unmuted?
	This gal?
	Yay.
	If you send $500 more, I'll stop again.
	Who wants to read this?
	Let's have you, Maddie.
	I'm back on reading.
	Caucasian, read.
	Oh, fuck.
	It fucking disappeared.
	You got to do it.
	Quick, go.
	I can't read.
	It's gone.
	Oh, shit.
	Do it again.
	There you go.
	Can chair three.
	So sorry.
	Please provide the definition.
	I don't even know how to say that.
	So, I don't know.
	No, I cannot.
	Whatever that was.
	I can't even say it.
	Ooh.
	You picked a bad person to be the reader.
	Did I?
	Yeah.
	Shit.
	Yeah, what was the word actually?
	I don't know why it's not.
	I'm so sorry.
	I have no idea.
	I'll pull it right back up.
	Give me one sec.
	Dayvon Jackson, what's up, man?
	Good to see you in the chat.
	It's been a minute.
	Actually, it hasn't been a minute.
	You sent something earlier.
	All right, hold on.
	Let's see if that fixes it.
	My apologies.
	All right.
	Can chair three please provide the definition of solipsism?
	Also, men have made the world so safe that chair five genuinely believes men are women's only predator.
	You cannot claim to love men and pick bear.
	Boom, roasted.
	Do you want to respond to that, Chair Five?
	Oh, goodness.
	I do think two things can be true at once, and it might seem like a paradox, but I do think that it's very possible to acknowledge and love men as a general demographic while also acknowledging the reality of the harms and atrocities that men have caused throughout history and contemporarily, but of course not subjugating every single individual man to that preconception.
	So yeah, I think it's possible to be multifaceted in your approach.
	Can you repeat that part about the harms and atrocities?
	Can you repeat that sentence?
	Well, yeah, I think it's possible to acknowledge and recognize that men have committed some harms and atrocities before.
	When you say men, are you talking about a monolith or are you talking about specific men or specific groups of men?
	Not groups of men, but just the men who have harmed people.
	Because when we're using language and we say men, when you say men, it could apply to it.
	You might be meaning some men.
	Right.
	Or you might be meaning men as a group.
	Right.
	So I'm referring to the men who are harmful, not all men.
	Because of course, not all men are predators.
	Not all men are dangerous.
	Okay.
	But why frame it through the lens of men?
	Why not?
	Because wouldn't you agree that it has more to do with the people who happen to have power?
	Well, yes, that too.
	But I'm just saying there was this thought experiment done that was very famous that was basically saying if there are five snakes behind a door and one snake is poisonous, but you don't know which one is.
	You know, not saying that men are like that, but because you don't necessarily know who's going to cause you harm, that's why women have this protection mechanism developed.
	But you're going to have to reconcile your bigotry if I now frame this through.
	Yeah, but you laugh, but you're going to have to now reconcile this if I just reframe this through the lens of race.
	So.
	But that's not the same.
	Well, I mean, except like people who are racist, people who are racist can make compelling arguments using your same line of logic and argumentation.
	And here's all you have to do.
	Okay.
	Women are allowed to have bigotry towards men, which is your position.
	No.
	Because myself, I have had bad experiences with men.
	People I know have had bad experiences with men.
	There seems to be some data or statistics that indicate that men are more likely to commit X crime or they're, you know, they're overrepresented in this crime statistic.
	If it is the case that a racial group can prove another racial group hits all of those things, you have now created the pretext for acceptance of racism.
	But Brian, race and gender aren't the same because there aren't biological differences amongst races.
	Like there are biological differences.
	Well, then there absolutely are like genetic differences.
	Like skin color is dictated by your genetic differences.
	The phenotype is different, but genetically, all the races, we are more similar with other races than even like different types of penguins are genetically similar with one another.
	Whereas obviously biologically men and women are very different in that men drastically overpower women.
	Okay.
	Right.
	So you can't.
	Well, except there are people who are, and I actually, this is probably could go against TOS, but there are people who will who will say that there are differences when it comes to, let's say, temperament.
	I'm not saying that.
	There are racists who might say that.
	Oh, I don't agree with that.
	But you would say that there's a difference in temperament between men and women?
	Not necessarily inherently, but I think men are socialized to...
	You don't think inherently?
	I don't agree with that.
	No, because in matriarchal societies, men tend to be very peaceful.
	Which matriarchal societies are you referencing?
	Oh, gosh.
	I mean, there's some far-off tribes, and there's matriarchal like elephant herds.
	Well, okay, let's stick to humans.
	Okay, well, yes.
	What matriarchies are there?
	So, I mean, I can't remember the name of the specific indigenous community, but there has been a matriarchal tribe where for some reason the men were killed off, not killed off.
	Something happened, like a natural disaster, and there weren't any more men.
	So, the next generation were raised by all women, and it was extremely peaceful.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	It's a Panama, the Panamanian tribe.
	They still exist today.
	Right, okay, we're looking at like some 200-person tribe in South American rainforest or something.
	Or sorry, Central American, excuse me, whatever.
	In the thousands, huh?
	It's not just a couple hundred people, they're a thriving native community.
	That's been okay.
	What's the population of this thriving Native community?
	It's in the thousands.
	I don't know the exact figure.
	Okay, but so I guess, I don't know.
	It's just what if these tribes, if a specific tribe was had some sort of there was like an atrocity that they were committing.
	What if there was an atrocity they committed?
	Like a native tribe.
	Like, are we going to look to actions of some faraway native tribe and say, okay, this is how we're going to set up society because maybe it works for this tribe?
	Wait, that question doesn't follow.
	You're saying there's an atrocity, but then we're going to structure our society just like that tribe after the atrocity was committed.
	Well, from our perspective, so from okay, there's a tribe that it's a rite of passage for the boys to perform acts on the male adults.
	I'm not making this up.
	This is actually a thing.
	The boys, they want to perform that act on the adults.
	It's like culturally ingrained.
	It's how you become like an adult, how you become a male in the tribe.
	From an outside perspective, I would say that, yeah, this is really harmful.
	Like, this is bad.
	Right.
	And I'm not saying that we need to structure our society like this specific tribe.
	That was simply an example to show that I don't think the way that men, men's temperament is exhibited, excuse me, is inherently natural or intrinsic, but that sometimes men are socialized to perhaps be a bit more aggressive or assertive than they naturally are.
	Well, I think there's a nature and a nurture component.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's not just one or the other.
	No, I agree with that totally.
	Okay, so what is the you dislike the current system, I guess.
	What is the system of matriarchy and how would that manifest itself that you think would be more conducive to a healthy society?
	Well, I mean, it would have been great to have a woman president, but I just think in general.
	But how would that make, in what way would that be better by virtue of her being a woman?
	Well, I think it helps just to have a woman in leadership because women in general tend to have more diplomacy skills, tend to have just better cooperation skills in general, and also often exhibit.
	Yeah, yeah, definitely.
	Well, if you look at like the Scandinavian countries, like Norway or Finland, and a lot of these countries that do have female leaders in charge, their people tend to cooperate better.
	Their GDPs are higher.
	Overall, the citizens tend to just be much more.
	They're also like super, Norway is super homogenous, and their previous male leadership set their country up massively with the natural resources of this country.
	So New Zealand, then what do they have?
	A sovereign fund or whatever that has been very, what's the term for it?
	Very fruitful for its citizenry.
	What were you saying?
	New Zealand then, or Mexico.
	Mexico's doing the best thing.
	I think that women are more cooperative, but I mean, I've also heard anecdotes from women that when there's like a female boss, they fucking hate it.
	Well, that can be true in a microcosm space like a corporate setting, because oftentimes women are taught from an early age to compete with one another.
	But I don't think that can necessarily be generalized as a blanket statement for all governments.
	Do you think competitive competition is something inherently male?
	No.
	You think women aren't competitive?
	No, I don't think that.
	I just think from an early age, sometimes women are taught to pit themselves against other women or to see other women as competition.
	Couldn't you say the same thing about men?
	Not in the same way, but I do think men are socialized to be more competitive in regards to athletics or physical prowess or success and things of that nature.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	I'm not.
	So you're, what was the thing you were saying before that women are more cooperative?
	Well, I think women tend to make more peaceful leaders.
	Well, I mean, they've done analysis of monarchs, for example, and they found that queens were much more likely to wage war than kings.
	How do you reconcile that?
	I mean, I think I would need to be more educated about monarchies, but I don't think that can be applied to democratic societies like in modern times.
	Okay, I mean, the thing is, though, is if you were to take these specific examples that you gave, what did you say, Finland and Norway?
	New Zealand, too.
	Mexico.
	Okay, New Zealand isn't really.
	Is New Zealand currently involved in any military conflicts?
	Like, it's kind of a very isolated nation.
	Well, I mean, wouldn't you say it tends to be better to not have a lot of people?
	Yeah, but do you think, for example, do you think it's easier to remain when it comes to warfare, isolated or protected from warfare when you're a small island nation in Oceania?
	Did I say that Oceania?
	Versus like you share multiple borders in Central or Western Europe?
	Well, yeah, I would agree with that.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I mean, okay.
	I mean, it's not really compelling anything you've said there, but.
	That's okay.
	I'm also not a political debater.
	I thought this was a dating show.
	Yeah, but no, in modern times, anytime a woman has been prime minister, president, or leader, it tends to, the country tends to see a lower crime rate, a better GDP, and just a better economy.
	A lower crime rate.
	Hold on, but there are still.
	How does that occur?
	I don't know the mechanism by which it occurs.
	I just know that that does seem to go along with it.
	Where I've never heard that statistics.
	All of a sudden, Mexico's low crime rate.
	No, it's dropping since they've had a.
	Mexico's crime rate has been dropping significantly since they elected their president.
	Run by gangsters.
	The woman that's leading it right now is like panicked and hiding under her desk.
	She has a problem with cartels, sure, but it's better than it has been previously.
	I'm just curious.
	Is that why everyone's moving in?
	So you're saying when they're not within the Mexico, and it's a huge community of people that don't want to be moving back then.
	But there has to be a reason.
	Wait, but when there's, you're saying when there's more female involvement or influence, society is better.
	Is that your position?
	Well, my position is that when women are allowed more opportunities to obtain positions of leadership, generally society tends to reap the benefits.
	For example, when you see more women who become high earners, typically women tend to contribute more to charities and to give more money away.
	And much of that could be because women are socialized or taught to be more benevolent in general or to put other people first and be caretakers.
	I mean, I haven't seen the data on women give more to charity or whatever.
	But I guess my question to you is: if it is the case that female influence has this sort of amazing trickle-down effect on society, and when women have more influence, that leads to better societies.
	Has the single motherhood increased since the, say, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s?
	A single motherhood?
	A single motherhood, yeah.
	So these would be family dynamics where boys and daughters are raised pretty much entirely by women.
	Has the single motherhood rate increased or decreased?
	Well, does that have to do with who's leading the country?
	Hold on, she's making a general statement about women having more influence in society, not strictly just about positions of power.
	I think we were talking about positions of power.
	We've been talking about a million things, and we're all over the place.
	I'm just examining her worldview.
	Yeah, okay.
	But if you have a woman who's in a capitalist society who now has to fill both roles of both parents, who has to rear the children, and who also has to earn to support the family, and she's doing so on a single income, yes, that is going to make things a bit more difficult within the family dynamic.
	And I don't know if that's a lot of people.
	There's also single fathers and all the statistics that we have when it comes to comparisons between single fathers and single mothers.
	It seems like the children fare way better when they're just with a single father than with a senior family.
	That's because a single father never doesn't have help going into that.
	He has neighbors, he has family, he has other people.
	It's not baseless.
	I've seen single fathers and they always have somebody there willing to help out.
	But women are expected to child rear the entire brunt of it when they're a single father.
	A woman is completely out of your ass.
	I'm not.
	You're pulling the.
	Oh, okay.
	So men, when they're single fathers, they have the community just surrounds them and they just get all the support and all the benefits and all the privileges.
	And these poor single mothers, they're just, nobody wants to help and they just get laughed at and blah, blah, blah.
	Certainly some single mothers have familial support, but not all.
	And it's men get praise for taking on their family.
	What's that?
	Men get praised, like not praise, but like when they're single dads, like they're looked at like, wow, you're such a good guy or whatever.
	But women, it's like, oh, like, what'd you do?
	Like, you single mom?
	Like, just men are like looked at as like a like.
	Do you think, I mean, I guess, is society better now than it was, I don't know, 50, 60, 70 years ago?
	In a lot of ways, yes, I think so.
	The social cohesion, social fabric, is it better now?
	I mean, I can't comment on every aspect of society.
	Crime's down.
	Yeah, and like women have the ability to, you know, make their own money now.
	That is it.
	Crime has been falling.
	There's a lot of factors related to crime.
	For example, they put lead in the gasoline and they directly linked the removal of lead from gasoline to lowering crime rates.
	Yeah, but we've all got plastic in using that.
	I think crime's down because of like cameras and science and the way that people get caught.
	I don't think it has anything to do with it.
	Well, you can be doing social media.
	It has everything to do with technology.
	It has nothing to do with women.
	Yeah, like you don't have watching.
	Is crime actually down, though?
	I mean, I'm not sure they're rioting in LA.
	I mean, seriously.
	They're making it, the media makes it bigger than what it is, though.
	You just see things more.
	No, it's crazy nuts.
	I guess just my confusion here is if it is the case that society functions better under a matriarchy and this would matriarchy would imply not just like government rule but also within the familial structure.
	There's no at no point in history has there been more female influence than today when it comes to single motherhood.
	So women have the majority of influence in the household.
	They make up the majority of teachers all the way from kindergarten to 12th grade.
	There's a predominance of women in education and as single mothers.
	So how could it possibly be you have, you have boys and daughters who, the majority of their life, the the authority figures in their life, are women, the moms and all the teachers.
	It's not clear to me if uh, society has improved.
	You do think society's improved.
	Well, it depends by what?
	What metric it?
	I think there's way more uh, quite a bit of polarity.
	With what political?
	Yeah sure politics, just social cohesion, just that people can voice their opinions now more than they could back in the 50s.
	In the 50s, your opinion, only the people around you had to put up with that shit.
	Now everybody has to listen to whatever's on twitter or instagram or anybody that has a camera phone can make themselves.
	Right, that has degraded social cohesion.
	Yeah right, I don't think that's women.
	I think um, speaking as a person of color, society has definitely gotten better.
	It gotten better like, are you joking?
	Look at the females.
	Every female became a fucking prostitute, even eight years ago, when I wouldn't say every girl she's still now okay, but like, it's true, every female in this generation, they're literally using men in some way.
	And every female, as soon as they turn 18, they turn into something.
	Only fans showing pictures, and it's just like how is that good?
	We all are like it's because women like need men, and it's just like the way a society is going.
	We all are so against each other and like women are laws.
	And then here we are, like talking about like, if a woman should rule anymore, like we are literally like full of weak people in this society.
	No one wants to see reality.
	We're sitting here arguing that a fat ugly person is better looking than a skinny good looking person.
	Are we fucking for real?
	When you put women in power, that means you're putting someone that is naturally not powerful and that means that that opened the delusion to society.
	And now we're full of society thinking, oh, I have a cock, but i'm a female.
	Oh, I have a vagina, but i'm a male.
	And it's delusion.
	The world is delusion because of women, because when you put as someone that is not in power, which is a female, it's never been in power, it's never going to be in power.
	You're not stronger than a man.
	I go to a gym every fucking day.
	I'm not as strong as a 14 year old man.
	Why?
	Because men are more stronger.
	And and now we're in a fucking world full of delusion right here arguing if fucking a fatty is better looking than a skinny person, get a fucking everything.
	It's because of females.
	We did it and if you keep doing it, everyone's just gonna be weaker fatter, and that's why you know why we're like this is divided division.
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	And we think we're in power.
	We're not.
	That's not just everything.
	Of course, because the capitalist people who are up at the top, the billionaires of the world, they're going to try and put everybody against each other of any kind of difference.
	The poor and the rich, the black and the white, the women and the men.
	Yeah, they're going to try and divide and conquer.
	We're letting that division happen and we're sitting here saying, I would rather have a man than a bear attacking.
	A bear would destroy you in a fucking second.
	You're so that I wouldn't have to listen to this shit anymore.
	Hope it's not that shit every single day.
	You're not going to die.
	If you're next to 10 men and 10 fucking bears, just know you're going to die.
	Like, it's delusion.
	We let women think they're in power.
	We made us think that, like, everything is a delusion because we started from thinking women have power the same as men.
	And now everything's a fucking delusion.
	Everything is a delusion.
	I just sat here listening to some of you guys basically been delusional for seven years, seven hours.
	It felt like fucking 24 hours.
	This shit sucks.
	And we know it sucks.
	We know it fucking sucks.
	None of you, you would not, if you had a loving dad that would take care of you, you would not.
	My dad was very loving dad.
	If he was loving it anymore.
	And if I had a loving dad, I think it's true.
	I think it's true.
	I have a loving dad who's still alive and who's still very loving, and he would agree with me being in powder.
	What the fuck are you doing?
	He's so silly.
	He's a primalistic person.
	I don't even think we have men anymore.
	I think men are ruined.
	There's like fucking three of you who are in the middle of the moment.
	I think that you're just some men, but it's weird.
	Genuinely weird.
	I get your message.
	I can tell that you're just hurting because you're trying to bring her in.
	Because I see what's happening.
	I see the truth.
	I see the divisions.
	I don't know why you had to attack Radha.
	Her own internal issues.
	I used to do not need to bring her.
	I used to be just like them.
	Then I realized, oh, I see now what the fuck's going on.
	They're doing this to us to think that we're in power.
	They're doing this to us to think we're in control and delusion is okay.
	Everyone's delusional.
	Wait, you have something to say to her?
	No, G, yes.
	Honestly, you need to get your buns down to Mara Lago.
	And you can turn out like this.
	And you can become this when you're in this.
	Yeah.
	But turn out like what?
	Let's not do that.
	What makes you so happy?
	We all have different beliefs.
	I think that every single woman that's here will rather have a loving man that will take care of them, protect them, have kids, and do that.
	But then we believe that that's not what we want.
	Well, I want to women.
	I'm literally a fucking atheist.
	I didn't want to have kids.
	I have birth control.
	And I took two years off to just focus on what the fuck's going on on the world.
	I studied philosophy.
	I started quantum physics.
	I studied everything.
	And then I realized.
	You studied with what?
	You didn't finish college.
	What do you mean?
	You studied quantum physics.
	I studied it by myself.
	YouTubed quantum physics.
	All right.
	So I want to point out on the personal issues.
	I want to point out one thing here.
	You said women are more cooperative.
	In general.
	Yeah, we're not.
	We all hate each other.
	Except on steroids.
	I work in a strip.
	And every female, most of the times, they just hate each other.
	That's what it is.
	It hasn't been this season all night.
	You've been talking with me.
	You got a female.
	Yeah, that's what happens to women in power.
	You wanted to say something to her earlier though.
	She said she doesn't like people who agree with her.
	So I'm trying my best over here, Brian.
	What did you want to say?
	I don't want these people to agree with me.
	I mean, I don't know.
	We're past the original one or what?
	The after one.
	So, yeah, the original thing I was going to say is, like, I don't believe that every girl, like, once they turn 18, become prostitutes.
	Very common and it's going that way because women don't need to be surprised.
	They don't have such natural instincts to survive, and that's why we always go back to men.
	We beg them for money.
	You men have your opinion.
	You're not letting them speak so you can have your opinion.
	I'm done.
	All I'm going to say is, I think we should all.
	Yeah, that's what it should be.
	I don't think I honestly know insults towards other people in this panel, you know.
	We did say that we're going to be going against views and opinions, but let's not personally attack each other now.
	Women are so cooperative.
	I know not personally attack each other.
	I think natural instincts.
	I think nature is something that the rules of nature will always follow us.
	And the more and the more we go against it, the more we go against nature rules, this is the shit we're going to get.
	Delusional fucking humans going against their nature, thinking that they can just turn who they are, what they are, something that's not pretty.
	All the other ones are psychosocial.
	That's what happens when you're not following nature rules.
	This is the definition of not following nature rules.
	Do you think that if I asked really nicely, the hospital would lobotomize me?
	Do you think that they would do that?
	What do you mean?
	I'm kidding.
	Is that bedtime?
	And it's past bedtime.
	I just feel like that's true.
	Why did you wait until like seven hours into the stream, by the way?
	Then, because I don't know, I was waiting for you guys to get to a point.
	I was waiting for a point that there is no point.
	You keep going back and forth with a woman without telling her what's the truth.
	Why can't you just tell her?
	I'm trying to tell her the truth.
	You're supposed to educate this woman instead of just hearing him out.
	What the fuck?
	Who's that?
	And who's that helping?
	Who is that helping?
	Who did that help?
	I was literally going to ask you in the end, what is this getting you?
	Listening to a woman just tell you you're wrong for three hours.
	That's not primal of you.
	That wasn't manly of you.
	That was not manly of you.
	I thought you would be more primal.
	I only watched a couple episodes.
	I thought you guys were red pill.
	This whole conversation was not red pill.
	This was you being very understanding through the wrong side.
	I don't think you should have been understanding.
	I think this was not manly of you.
	I thought you were more manly.
	I watched one episode with one or two episodes of you guys.
	And that I'm catching some phrase over here.
	She didn't excuse.
	No, because I studied this shit.
	The thing is, the more you go against nature rules, it's worse.
	And I envisioned it.
	I pushed back.
	I was like to hurt.
	She wants to trans the kids.
	I don't want to trans kids.
	I don't want to trans the kids.
	I don't want to trans the kids.
	No, I don't.
	I said it one.
	I don't want to translate kids.
	She wants to translate.
	Brian, I don't want to trans the kids.
	And I push back.
	I don't want to trans the kids.
	You want to let the women get to the bottom?
	I was waiting for you guys to get to a point.
	I waited seven hours for you to at least spit something to the delusion.
	You didn't.
	You just heard them out.
	I don't do that.
	This is my podcast should be educating people to go towards their natural instincts, not to listen to them.
	What the fuck is the point?
	We already know that liberals are fucking mentally ill.
	You already know that.
	Look, I gotta let them speak.
	You know, I can't just call them stupid.
	You can't just call people stupid.
	You need a wrong button.
	You gotta let them talk.
	And then, you know, yeah, but at least you have to voice your opinion instead of be like, oh, I'm gonna have to.
	No, you just laughed.
	You just voiced it.
	He has been voicing opinions the entire time.
	Hold on.
	You're supposed to.
	You're supposed to go against woman.
	Oh, she's got smoke.
	Yeah, see, exactly.
	You're allowing me because that's what they did for fucking seven hours too.
	They went over what you're saying.
	This is the problem with men.
	You guys let us speak too much.
	You guys speak too much.
	She wants, this is what she wants.
	She wants.
	I want to go back fucking hundred years and start over.
	You're a fucking man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You also want, you want this?
	No, because men.
	Because men keep listening.
	Yeah.
	And then, oh, wait, hold on.
	Wouldn't be, we wouldn't be here.
	We wouldn't be here if men didn't keep acting like a fucking nice person.
	We wouldn't be here.
	We wouldn't have all these fucking weak people.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what this is your show.
	You're supposed to educate this people instead of hearing.
	What do you want me to do?
	Bench press you?
	What do you want me to do?
	No, educate women.
	When you're going against your beliefs, tell them why it's wrong.
	Not just listen to them.
	Tell them it's wrong.
	That's what your podcast is supposed to be.
	This is a walking port, the better.
	Respectfully, this is a woman.
	You also shouldn't be telling me.
	You can't say that you're not.
	You don't want to be.
	Yeah, I thought that's what the point of the podcast was.
	I watched a couple of the podcasts.
	It was basically like your friend.
	I think maybe that, like, what was his name, Andrew?
	Whatever.
	He was telling this woman the truth.
	And I thought this was the point.
	I didn't know I'm going to be here fucking listening to girls.
	I gotta be honest.
	I don't want to hear.
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	It's just like, I'm on your side.
	I'm on this side, but it's just like, we need to fucking work on the man.
	We need to work on the men.
	Yeah, okay, I agree.
	So can you do that?
	So we think I can't even tell you.
	What?
	I'm so with you.
	I can't even tell you.
	I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that all these girls like me, you can be self-aware.
	You can do something, but be self-aware.
	And the problem that you're having a problem with me is because I'm self-aware.
	I'm self-aware.
	Wait, can you scoot the mic back to where it was?
	I'm self-aware.
	I know what I'm doing is wrong.
	And I think the next generation of men, of young men, should stop fucking letting woman feed them this bullshit.
	They need to start being men again like fucking 100 years ago and not listen to a woman to fucking and then instead of like taking care of one woman they're like paying all these OnlyFans girls.
	They're spending their money on us.
	Like why?
	I'm telling you.
	Look into Charlie Kirk.
	He's got a fucking money.
	And you think what I mean deleting my OnlyFans, the world fucking problem is going to be solved?
	No.
	If any guys out there want to spend their money on an OnlyFans girl who loves their job, spend it on me.
	Thank you.
	No, they want to spend it on one that hates their job, and that's why she's going to make so much money.
	No, I won't.
	I'm not such a grift.
	I promise you, if I can make money from anything gym-related, I will stop doing this.
	My problem is you got some attention.
	I'm talentless because I've been stripping and fucking having OnlyFans for seven years.
	I'm talentless.
	I'm cooked.
	Oh, you're going to make it.
	I'm going to go.
	I'm going to make 20 grand a night.
	I'm not trying.
	Who's good?
	You're going to make about 20 grand a night a month.
	I'm not doing it.
	I'm not even going against you.
	I'm with you.
	That's the thing.
	I'm with you.
	On what?
	On everything you're saying.
	Delete your fucking OnlyFans.
	But it's not going to help me.
	I mean, I'm down to delete it, honestly.
	This will fucking do it.
	Is this going to be a fancy?
	Hey, stop pussyfooting.
	Is this going to be a bad thing?
	Hey, stop fucking pussyfooting and delete the fucking money.
	If she deletes her OnlyFans, though, you have to do a follow-up because you have 30 days to undo that.
	Give me 30 days.
	I will.
	Someone will need to help me to get another job.
	I need a man to save me.
	I need men to save me.
	I'll hire you as my security.
	As your fucking security.
	What is the pay on that?
	What's the pay on that?
	Not enough.
	Osa pairing that.
	I'll give you 20 Canadian dollars an hour.
	20 Canadian.
	I can do that myself.
	Why don't you get it?
	Why don't you get it?
	They want us.
	They want females like me.
	When we go in the normal world, they want us to suffer.
	They want us to suffer.
	So we go back to this shit.
	That's what it is.
	Why don't you get it?
	What I'm saying?
	Fuck, now you're trying to hustle me for a fucking.
	No, I'm not.
	They want every individual, female male, to suffer.
	They want us to be divided.
	They don't want us to be in groups because that's easier to control us.
	That's what's happening.
	I'll text you the sugar baby app.
	I don't want to be a fucking sugar baby.
	I don't want to be a fucking sugar baby.
	All right, wait.
	I got to let some chats come through.
	So let's take a little bit of time.
	Get a job in television.
	Guys, let me let some chats come through.
	Thank you.
	You were just mad because you spoke for four, seven hours.
	You got muted.
	Hold on, hold on.
	And I'm spitting fats.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	I'm spitting fats.
	Smug drugger, I let chair one open my pickle jars.
	By the way, if you send in a $200 TTS smug druggler, we have pickle jars in the refrigerator.
	I will open a pickle jar.
	I'm going to open it.
	Okay, we have.
	And you guys think I'm masculine?
	Every single man should be bigger and more jacked than me because it's in your primal instincts.
	They're making you fat.
	They want you to be fat because you're weak.
	Every single man should look at me and be like, this bitch is fucking weak.
	You guys have to say that.
	I got rid of how much.
	You should go to gym.
	You should become manly.
	Be quiet.
	Okay, how bad does the conversation have to be on a date for the man to take his food back and drop her off?
	What's the glass?
	You done fucked up.
	You done fucked up, is what he's saying.
	Okay.
	We have based Trinaut.
	How.
	Oh, wait.
	Did I do that one?
	Oh, he sent it twice.
	He got double for it.
	I guess so.
	Thank you.
	Based Trana.
	He sent that in a while ago.
	I don't know.
	She was on a rant.
	So we have a bunch more coming through.
	And you know I'm right.
	I think exactly like you think, but because I'm saying it, I'm a woman and I have OnlyFans is stupid because I'm saying it.
	If you want to walk away from OnlyFans and make the same amount of money, get a job in television.
	I can.
	Yes, you can.
	You don't need a degree.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Since y'all couldn't even pronounce it, the definition of solipsism is chair three.
	And if men scare you enough to risk being flayed alive by a wild animal, you do not love men.
	I love men.
	I just really love bears.
	But we love talking shit about.
	And I'm sorry I don't know how to love him, but we love putting him down and making them.
	Make him into weak soy boys, and half of them want to cut their dicks off.
	We have like 10 minutes to just talking men, babe.
	Yeah.
	Female leaders were more aggressive and vengeful.
	Look at a lot of the English queens, Bloody Mary.
	Yeah, well put.
	We have Pasty George here with so many women full of fear towards men, depression, erratic behavior, and unstable, fluctuating hormonal cycles.
	How does that qualify them as good leaders or for any positions of authority?
	Quick answer on this?
	Well, I mean, you say that women are hormonal, but most women in leadership, first off, are post-menopausal.
	And also, if you look at most men in leadership, they tend to be more erratic and more testosterone-driven and more just aggressive in their tactics.
	Women's hormonal people are.
	When we get our periods, we literally turn into different people for like a week.
	And when it's going to happen to a country in that one week when you're fucking all crazy, when women are on their period, their hormonal makeup is closest to men's.
	Your estrogen drops, your progesterone drops, and so on.
	But it's better to be on an even emotions the whole time when you're running a fucking country than your emotions going like this every day.
	Again, most leaders are speaking for post-menopausal.
	Okay, hold on.
	Save it for later.
	Let me read these.
	Chair three, you are full of shit.
	In Canada, there are tons of support programs for single mothers, but nothing for single fathers.
	Even the courts take their side more.
	It is the same for the U.S. as well.
	I can't say that.
	There's way more social safety net stuff for women than for men.
	But we have Cherry here.
	So you're using men for financial reasons?
	Yes, because they let me.
	Is this directed towards you?
	Yeah, they let me and they shouldn't let me.
	I think men are so weak that they let us do it and they shouldn't let us.
	Why is it that every OnlyFans girl is making millions of dollars when men can't even make more than five, six K a months?
	Why?
	Why is that?
	They're letting us do it.
	They're letting us become better than them when we're not, but they're helping us through that.
	It's literally the top 0.01%.
	Those poor men.
	It is poor men.
	You know it's sad.
	You know it's sad.
	Well, you said that they're not making as much money on OnlyFans.
	No, not on OnlyFans.
	Fuck OnlyFans.
	Oh, they should be stupid.
	Oh, I'm just, I'm literally doing this because I didn't speak English seven years ago.
	I, I, I'm, I was retarded.
	I still probably am.
	But okay, our team.
	Anyways, I did this with this.
	And also, the funny thing is, like, when I started doing this, this was my last choice.
	And these girls are literally have families.
	They have, they speak English.
	And this is their first choice because it's so empowering.
	Yeah, yeah, just wait for a sec, though.
	Let me read the rest of these.
	All right, Cherry.
	So what if roles were reversed in society?
	Your thoughts?
	What do you mean?
	What was the question?
	Cherry, can you clarify?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Be a bit more precise if you can, if you want to send another one in.
	You can send it, like, just send in 10 Cherry.
	Am I muted?
	Should I put my thought?
	Oh, no, just wait.
	One sec.
	Women make horrible leaders because they enjoy being dominated and led from based or not.
	They seek approval.
	Nobody wants to follow them.
	They have to dress up like men when they get elected.
	Pantsuits and Karen cuts.
	Well, if that's the case, why do men make such great soldiers?
	What?
	Also, that's just not true for the women leaders.
	Okay.
	Cherry, I'm listening to you, Chair One.
	He says that.
	He's listening.
	Congrats.
	But you don't want men to listen to you.
	I love men.
	That's the thing.
	Like, I want him to listen because I want, like, I don't know.
	I want men to go back to being primal.
	Prime.
	That's what I want.
	Okay.
	For them to take control.
	Look at the country.
	Like, Canada was the best country of fucking, of Canada and America.
	We're the best countries.
	I'm in fucking Canada.
	This shit's their whole country.
	Why is that?
	Because women are in power and they're emotional and they let fucking anyone come in.
	They don't understand that there is reasons.
	Is your prime minister not a man?
	It is, but it's a gay man.
	One sec, one sec.
	Chair one, you surprised me, and that rarely happens.
	You're a based and have my respect.
	The sisterhood started attacking you because you spoke the truth and they got triggered because they didn't like it.
	Yeah, because no one wants to say they're lord.
	No one wants to accept that they're fucking up.
	I am.
	I know I'm fucking up.
	It's not normal for humans to understand their lord.
	I'm going to try this the best I can.
	Prisilla, y'all already retarded a bunch of Methandreth women with Luth Coochie energy.
	I was trying to read it as best I could.
	All right, this guy says he'll pay your bills.
	Okay, we'll do we'll get through, yeah, I guess cherry creams.
	Okay, I want to blast through as much of the notes as possible.
	So, okay, we did okay, wait, there's some more shit from Lucy.
	Damn, bro.
	Wait, who here?
	Who here lives in LA?
	Are you in LA?
	I'm in Orange.
	Orange, okay, California.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Going to Lucy, you want to talk about age gap relationships?
	Oh, gosh, that was also a part of Farha's question that I forgot to answer.
	When she was saying, is it okay for a 50-year-old to date a 19-year-old?
	Legally, yeah, it's a grown adult.
	But I think it's a moral, murky, gray area because a 50-year-old and a 19-year-old typically don't have much in common.
	Hey, Holly, get off your phone.
	Oh, come on.
	It's past.
	Hey, Holly, get off your phone.
	Yeah, and then I'll.
	Give this girl a mocha chino or something.
	Yes, and then there's also a power dynamic imbalance as well.
	So I think while it may be legally okay, I wouldn't personally indulge.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Thank you for sharing your perspective.
	Thank you for letting me share.
	I think it's honestly, I mean, I think most 18, 19, 20-year-old women probably don't want to date 50-year-olds.
	So I wanted to.
	What's that?
	I wanted to.
	Yeah.
	But if there was a circumstance where she wanted to and the guy wanted to, I don't.
	It's consensual.
	I don't really see the problem with it.
	Yeah, I mean.
	You're referencing like power dynamics, but I mean, I think you can make a counterargument that younger women have way more power in the dating marketplace than 50-year-old men.
	Like they have way more leverage.
	Socially, yes.
	I think younger women have a lot of social currency, but an older established man might have a lot of economic power and financial security.
	And that could be extremely attractive to a young romantic prospect.
	Okay, so, but is she just with him because of that?
	Or are there other reasons that she might be interested?
	I mean, I can't speak on behalf of these women, but I could see someone being very young and inexperienced and being lured and drawn in by security and stability.
	What if she reached out to him, though?
	Like, for example, it's you would agree that it's logically possible that currently there's like 19, 20, 21-year-old women who even Brad Pitt, well, he's dating somebody, but assume he's single, view Brad Pitt now and are like, whoa, he's really attractive, even though, even though he's an older guy, and they were pursuing him.
	There's also a lot of people who are not.
	Would you object to him accepting their pursuit?
	Well, I mean, I think as long as everyone's of legal age, of course, legally, it's totally 19, 20, 21.
	But I just think when you get into more of like the ethics of it, make a moral argument for why it's wrong for Brad Pitt to date a 20-year-old.
	Okay, well, I didn't say it was, but you were about to get into the ethics of it, so make a ethical or moral argument for why it's wrong.
	I just think someone like Brad Pitt with all of his social and financial power would have a lot of leverage over a 19-year-old in a way that makes the relationship inherently imbalanced, which is not wrong because certain relationships are not totally equal and that's okay if people want that dynamic for themselves.
	But so what is morally or ethically questionable about it?
	Well, it's just going into a dynamic knowing that you have so much more knowledge and leverage and power over the other person and that in more ways than one, you hold a lot of power over them.
	I think too, I mean, you can take the biological view, which is your prefrontal cortex, which forms your identity, isn't even developed until you're like 26.
	Be quiet, guys.
	Yeah.
	Isn't developed until you're 26.
	So even me personally, I know that I'm not going to get married until after that time period because I haven't fully formed my identity.
	Who you are at like from 19 to like 22 is so different than who you are by 26 and is so different from who you are by 30.
	So like I, again, there are exceptions to the rule.
	I have a question though.
	Would you agree that there are like 18, 19 and 20 year olds with higher IQ or EQ than say 30 or 40 year olds?
	I would say that that's possible, yes, but I.
	It's logically possible.
	Yeah, I think it's possible.
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't think it's just possible.
	I think it's the case that there are plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds who have higher IQ than people in their 30s or 40s.
	Sure, but I don't think IQ fluctuates that much.
	Sure, but what I would say to that is probably if an 18 or 19 year old has a higher IQ than a 30 year old, then they wouldn't probably be attracted to the person who's a person who's not going to be able to an older person is really, really attractive, but they have a low IQ.
	Really talk about, again, like I don't, I think that if somebody has a super high IQ, they're not going to be attracted to somebody with lower IQ.
	In fact, there's studies that back this up that typically people who would.
	That could very well be the case.
	I think probably people of a certain intelligence would want to date somebody perhaps approaching their level of intelligence or perhaps surpassing it.
	But the question is then, is somebody who is 18, 19, 20 who has a higher IQ than somebody who's 30, is now there a power dynamic going on where this person is arguably, I mean, you talk about the prefrontal cortex, but their IQ is higher.
	Arguably, they're just more intelligent than this person, regardless of the prefrontal cortex development.
	So would there then be a power imbalance in the other way?
	This younger person has some leverage over the older person in the relationship due to the higher IQ or EQ.
	What immediately comes up for me is that, again, IQ is very different from emotional maturity and EQ.
	So I think that just because the 18 or 19 year old might have a higher IQ, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're emotionally mature.
	Just curious, does anybody here think that they're more intelligent than me?
	I don't know.
	Like, I'm not going to be offended.
	Like, I'm just curious.
	Like, do you think you're more intelligent than me?
	No, I think you have extreme business savvy and you clearly know how to run a very successful business.
	You're more intelligent than me.
	You're a data scientist.
	I dropped out of college.
	Are you more intelligent?
	No, I just, I have more higher education, but that doesn't say anything about intelligence.
	Yeah, but okay, let's just talk about general intelligence then.
	Do you think you're more intelligent than me?
	I don't think so.
	Let's say you were, though.
	So if we were to date, would you be a predatory power dynamic?
	Oh, God.
	Let's just assume I'm really stupid and you're really smart.
	And we're dating, but we're kind of, what, you're 31?
	I'm 31, right?
	How stupid is really stupid, though?
	Because if you had like developmental intellectual disability.
	Well, I mean, I'm kind of autistic, so maybe she's like.
	Oh, okay, great.
	So where you have like symmetry there.
	But if your IQ is like low, there's no.
	You're high-functioning, autistic.
	I'm low-functioning autistic.
	I'm not low-functioning.
	I know.
	I'm just hypothetical.
	Low-functioning autistic is non-verbal.
	Yeah, that would be a problem.
	Okay, love on the spectrum.
	Not what trust me.
	That would be a problem.
	What the fuck?
	This is a love on the spectrum.
	Have you ever seen episodes of Love on the Spectrum where you go, would it be?
	Those aren't matched up properly.
	Hold on, but would it be like a power dynamic imbalance if somebody with a really high IQ dated somebody with a low IQ?
	If you're low enough IQ to be manipulated to where you're able to be manipulated very easily, then yeah, I would say it's a problem.
	Okay, but there are genius level IQ people at 18, 19, 20.
	Yeah.
	So within this metric, they would be being predatory towards a 30 or 40 year old.
	I think the point with the whole age gap thing and why it's like frowned upon to date somebody who's 18, 19, 20 is because more often than not, they don't have life experience to kind of guide them through their decision making.
	Whereas if you're 50, you know how to manipulate somebody because you've kind of lived through that.
	Wait, this might be a really stupid argument, but I'm just going to throw it out there.
	Okay, so would you guys agree that women have higher emotional intelligence than men?
	I would say they mature emotionally faster.
	But do women have more emotional intelligence?
	I think to a point.
	I don't think it's a matter of time.
	And then they match up.
	Yeah, I think it's like women accelerate faster, and then they hit their cap.
	Wait, what's that term that they're always talking about?
	Is it emotional intelligence?
	It's empathy, probably.
	Oh, okay.
	So, wait.
	If it's the case that women just across the board almost always have more emotional intelligence than men, this is very predatory of you women to be dating these like low emotional intelligence men.
	You guys are really fucking predatory.
	You guys just fucking run circles around these men with your vast giant brains and your massive amounts of emotional intelligence.
	And these poor men, they can't even articulate a feeling or an emotion or a thought.
	You fucking predatory monsters.
	How dare you?
	How dare you date these men?
	You're so good at this.
	So good at work.
	I'm so attracted to you right now.
	I think you're so intelligent.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	Well, you really know what you're doing and it's working.
	What am I doing?
	Oh, no, you can just create these thought experiments out of thin air and it just does exactly what you want them to do.
	And I'm really into it.
	Okay, well, there's some tissues over in the back if you need them.
	So, anyways, what was I saying?
	Yeah, no, it's just the case.
	Look, I hear from women, oh, these guys, you know, it'd be great if they worked on their emotional intelligence, you know, da-da-da-da.
	You fucking disgusting predators.
	You guys are fucking apex predators, okay?
	Apex predators.
	Get me a bear suit.
	Where did you get here?
	We went from like gay to like, we want them to get better, we want them to love us and respect us and be loyal to us when all we do is bash them.
	Look, I'm just saying, I think, you know, there is something to be said about the power imbalance because, you know, it's just women, you guys have way more emotional intelligence than us, us men.
	Just our prefrontal cortex isn't developed enough to our prefrontal cortex as men.
	We're just very primal creatures, as she says.
	You know, and we're just not, we're not attuned to the emotional intelligence thing.
	And I think you women, you take advantage of us.
	You use us for sex.
	You use us.
	You use us.
	And I just find it disgusting.
	You women, you only think about one thing.
	You know, you just want to use emotional intelligence.
	Emotional intelligence.
	It's just really despicable, you guys.
	You guys are abusers.
	Well, okay, hold on.
	Yeah, okay, fine.
	You're abusers.
	Predatory, very predatory.
	And yeah.
	Emotional intelligence.
	You can predate me and save you from what's coming.
	All the wars.
	Emotional intelligence is not going to fucking save you from a war.
	It's cool to have it, but it's like, really, do we like, why do we keep saying that to men?
	Win a war without emotional intelligence.
	The ability to find out why people are doing what they're doing.
	What is happening right now is emotional intelligence.
	Emotional, women are so emotional that this is like the world, their countries, everything.
	Who's Canada at war with?
	With theirselves.
	It became a third world country.
	It's literally, you come into Canada, you see, oh, I don't want to say to race.
	I don't even have cars.
	I don't want to say to race or electricity.
	I moved from fucking Iran to Canada to see fucking women.
	She wants to go back.
	She's gone.
	No, I don't want to go back.
	I want to go somewhere.
	I used to want to go to Europe, but now.
	Hold on, he's talking about you.
	Chair one, it would be great for men to take back control and bring back the nuclear family, but unfortunately, feminism has spread too fast.
	I think there's a way back.
	I think we can go back.
	I think we can go back from feminism.
	We tried it long enough.
	We know this shit just making us weaker.
	It's ruining our fucking countries.
	Everything.
	Everything's going to ruin.
	It's time to delete your own defense.
	The generation.
	It's not even this gen. This generation is cooked.
	We're going to have to do it.
	Interracial relationships.
	You want to talk about interracial.
	What's up?
	Did I?
	You date black guys only exclusively?
	No, not exclusively.
	Mexicans or I like every race.
	But you said you want to talk about interracial relationships.
	Oh, I don't remember that.
	But I just, I think it's beautiful that we can date interracially now because there's so much to learn and enjoy from other cultures.
	Because back in the day we weren't allowed to, and now we can, and it's great to not be limited.
	That's why I only date black women.
	I love that for you.
	Thank you.
	Do you?
	Do you identify as I can for you?
	No, no, I don't.
	What the fuck?
	Is Filipino black?
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Okay, never mind.
	No, it's black of Asia.
	Just kidding.
	Got some jokes here at the end of the show.
	We got a comedian here at the table.
	Okay, we've got Josie.
	Getting back to your notes.
	I'm going to blast through these really quick.
	Okay.
	What did we disagree on?
	We were talking about the submissive dominant.
	We talked about that for quite a bit.
	You think it's fine if a woman out-earns a man?
	Yeah.
	You think it's fine if men stay home and read or rear children.
	Yeah, just get them pregnant.
	Is that the type of dynamic you'd be fine with?
	I don't want kids.
	Oh, sure.
	But I would be fine if I out-earned a man.
	Not by a crazy amount, just because I don't earn enough to support two people.
	But if, yeah, so equal for where I live.
	Would be fine.
	I think it's women who are dissatisfied in that setup, though.
	I don't think it's men who are wholesale butthurt about that.
	I think women just.
	There's been articles.
	Like I think the New York Times or something had some article about women are not finding economically attractive men.
	Bingo.
	Yeah, why is that?
	Maybe it's because we made like men are far more unemployed than women.
	Yeah, why is that?
	Because we made every household two income, and then the elites got a point.
	The elites know that the more divided we are, the more they can tax us, the more they can make us work, the more we're going to enslave us.
	Double the tax base.
	Exactly.
	Double.
	And then look at this shit.
	It's keep getting worse.
	It keeps getting worse.
	I have a single income family.
	We don't want to fucking accept it.
	And we lit it.
	We let it happen.
	And I have no taxes.
	I have no problem with it, personally.
	Yeah, you don't.
	You're literally having a menu.
	I won't have a problem with it.
	Ever, indefinitely?
	No, I really don't think so.
	Yeah, I'm sure.
	I don't dispute that there's women who are fine with the dynamic, but I don't think that's it.
	Is she really fine, though?
	Most women are cool.
	She's an OnlyFans girl, right?
	I know you make money and you think you're proud of it.
	I used to be proud of being a stripper, too.
	I used to think this shit's fucking fascinating.
	I was not proud of being a stripper.
	Or OnlyFans.
	It doesn't matter any of this.
	But if you think about it, just imagine a female.
	You're a little proud.
	Imagine.
	No, I did not like being a female.
	Oh, a stripper.
	If imagine a female in her natural habitat.
	You should have brought.
	Wait, never mind.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	I was going to say something.
	I just think none of these OnlyFans girls, if they could think about it, if they didn't have to insert a dilto and their fucking vagina for money.
	I know.
	I don't know why I said tiltoe.
	Anyways, if, if all, if there, when, while doing this act of doing these things to yourself, while doing it, when you're making these content, think, think, be like, is this really, I'm a human with consciousness, with power and energy.
	I'm wasting my human existence in the world.
	Don't go in my school.
	How is it a waste?
	How's it away?
	How's it away?
	throw it away you think it would you rather just cook and clean It's weird.
	Because I do that too.
	It's a lot more beautiful to be in a community with your husband, with your kids, with your family, and just be a village, be a group, take care of each other, and live with me.
	But I do.
	I'm doing all of that.
	So I just got a question.
	Can I ask the question though?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you're saying a lot of things that you do want and you're saying a lot of things that you don't want.
	We ruined men so much.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	Please.
	I'm begging you to let me finish.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So what is stopping you from getting the life that you want?
	We ruined men.
	I'm looking for the men that are like you're blaming men when you have control of your life.
	I don't want this life that I have control of.
	Okay, so then delete your only female.
	Do something.
	And then become a item again Christian or whatever.
	I'm learning about men and how, like, oh, men are like this, this, and this.
	First of all, I don't think that should really have anything to do with you.
	If you want like the life that you want, just go for it.
	It's also weird that you're like, you have total control of your life.
	I'm not asking for forgiveness and I'm not asking for like someone to be like, oh, you're a victim.
	You can change it.
	I'm not saying this is what it is.
	This is what it is.
	This is what I've done.
	But we need to take a step back because every when I did this shit, when I started like eight years ago, it was something that you weren't like empowered by.
	It was something that you do as your last like chance.
	And now we have girls that are empowered by it.
	I never said I was a powerful.
	It's your last choice.
	You're just putting words in my mouth.
	I never said I was a powerful.
	I don't think you like it.
	No, I do like it, but that doesn't mean I'm empowered.
	I did it when I was not allowed to do it.
	When I started, I didn't want to do it.
	This is my choice.
	So that's my only choice.
	And it is my only.
	It's my choice to do it.
	And I'm sorry that you had to do something that you don't want to do, and that's not fair.
	And I really do hope that you get help and you can make peace with yourself.
	I can stop now.
	I can't stop now.
	I honestly can't stop now.
	I have to do it.
	I'm going to do it with properties.
	But it's just like, yeah, I could stop it.
	And honestly, if there is a better, there is, I have no like talent.
	Like, what am I?
	What am I?
	Girl, get some confidence.
	Take the money that you've earned from OnlyFans and go get a college degree.
	It's not easy when you get used to making $20,000, $30,040,000 a month.
	It's not easy.
	Okay, then why are you complaining?
	Why are you complaining?
	Because I shouldn't have been like this in the first place.
	Okay, if you really feel that way, though, like, hear me out.
	If you really feel that way, if you really feel that like your life as a woman with like a man should be a certain way, like I need you to know that you have full control of your life to change that.
	It may not happen in a snap of the finger.
	Exactly.
	It's not going to.
	I only realize how much I hate it in the past year and a half.
	Okay, then it takes a while.
	It's gradually you're going to be.
	All right, then that's good for you.
	You're in progress.
	So go ahead and do something to get the life that you want.
	Simplify.
	That's what I'm doing.
	That's what I'm doing.
	It takes a while.
	It takes a while.
	It's not that easy.
	It takes a while.
	And I understand that.
	I really do.
	But like, while you're changing your life to get to where you want to be.
	While I'm changing my life to get there, I'm going to tell people the fucking truth and say how much.
	I do think it's funny that you're sitting here and you're like, these ladies are bigoted and they do hate men.
	And you're the one sitting here going, men are gay.
	All men suffer.
	All men are gay.
	We are making them gay.
	We are taking their natural instincts.
	We are making him at-home fucking stay-home wives.
	Hey, Brown, Brandy Alpha.
	Hey, Brian, do you think I'm taking away your natural instinct?
	What do you mean?
	See, that's a good idea.
	You don't think women are taking you males' natural instincts by telling you you.
	I don't need you as a provider.
	I don't need you as a protector.
	That's their innate.
	That's their sole purpose.
	My love.
	That narrative is.
	I think the one that you were texting for her.
	That narrative is disempowering men.
	I love Mandy.
	Wait, guys, we have to do a segment called Everybody Takes Off All Their Makeup.
	Oh, my God.
	Are we leaving by four in the morning?
	We're going to be out.
	We're going to wrap soon.
	A lot of people.
	We're taking our makeup off.
	How much?
	Can you take your shirt off?
	What the fuck?
	You got to shave your makeup.
	I will, I will.
	I don't want to hear it all.
	Like, I don't want to hear zero at this point.
	Can you shave your makeup?
	Actually, literally.
	You just have to take your contacts.
	I can't see.
	Oh, okay.
	It's like actually two in the morning.
	I'm so down to take my makeup off.
	If you have, you know, a little contact lens case and some contact solutions, something where I could put my eyelashes.
	And a used beer cup or champagne.
	But that's totally going to give my eyes the nervous system.
	That will definitely.
	Look, champagne is sterile.
	But I need to go join a kind of a mirror.
	Okay, good.
	Get.
	All right, good.
	All right.
	We have some chats coming through.
	We got Cherry Creams.
	He says he'll pay Chair One's bill.
	She heard it back there.
	She heard it.
	She just got up to do something.
	Everybody, take your makeup off.
	You know, this is the time of the show to just relax.
	We're almost done.
	Pasty George.
	Over here.
	Put the thing back.
	Put the thing back.
	All right.
	Okay, Pasty George.
	Chair One is right.
	This generation is cooked, and feminism has not only demonized men, but motherhood as well.
	Gen Alpha is already showing signs of early adoption of feministic values, including Missandry.
	Also, Cherry said he'll pay your bills for chair one.
	Yeah, if you pay my bows, I'll get rid of my job.
	Faucio.
	Actually, I don't know.
	Are you gonna take a look at your baby?
	How long take care of my bows?
	Oh, hold it up when you're done.
	Once you're done, hold up.
	Are you gonna take your makeup off?
	So I have some water pressure.
	Are you trying to tell us we're ugly?
	Are you trying to tell us we're ugly without makeup?
	Hey, hold it up, Molly.
	We're supposed to work with your boss.
	This is the division I'm talking about.
	This is the one.
	Why do you want us to be like, oh, you're ugly?
	We're supposed to work together, not a game controller.
	You know what efforts are?
	Wait, speak your mic.
	Scoot your mic.
	This is the division I'm talking about.
	Scoot your mic.
	This is something that's cool.
	Scoot your mic back.
	It is.
	I have to be on a flight at six.
	You're not going to go straight to the airport, girl.
	No excuses.
	Play like a champion.
	Okay, so let me blast through the rest of the stuff.
	Let's see here.
	Not the makeup tease.
	Her, hold it up again.
	There it is.
	Hold it up, everybody.
	All right, there's the damage.
	There's the damage.
	All right, rock and roll.
	Okay, so I think I did most of Josie, your notes.
	Every ugly now?
	You said you have no problem with people who transition from one gender to the other, but we already talked, like, you're kind of against the sports stuff and children and blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, adults doing whatever they want with their body.
	Mandy.
	Okay, we did Mandy's stuff.
	Marcelo.
	We did that.
	Hold on.
	Did we finish all of Lucy's stuff?
	Lucy Goosey?
	Oh, I hope so.
	I guess we love Frank Brian.
	You put me on the spot.
	My heart starts racing.
	Also, because you're so good looking, that too.
	Is this going to be followed by like an uwu or something?
	Sounded like you're like.
	Do you have an Asian fetish?
	Why would that be an Asian fetish?
	Is he hotter than a bear?
	I feel like that's just a wee bow.
	Well, obviously, he's like the hottest man here.
	Him or a bear?
	Is him or a bird?
	I'm the only man here.
	What the fuck?
	Would you pick him or a bear?
	To bone?
	No, to be in an alley alone.
	She would cry to be in an alley alone.
	Would you pick him or a bear?
	Obviously, I pick him.
	I know him, and he's attractive.
	Yeah, but if he was a fatty, you wouldn't.
	I don't know.
	I thought it would be.
	Let's see here.
	We have.
	Okay, we got to do a little bit of homegirl.
	Oh my god, why do I have so many notes?
	Una memento.
	While I'm pulling up the notes, guys, I want to show you guys a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.
	And so, because this is an I have this expectation for all my future relationships in terms of how what I expect.
	So, Mary, why don't you go ahead and play that?
	Did she knew you took this?
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, she knew.
	She told me to take it.
	Boom.
	Do you fucking huge bow?
	Huge bow.
	She even looks like that.
	So, this is after a long podcast episode.
	I get home to my pad, and you know, she has my dinner ready as you're about to see here.
	Very, very kind, very kind.
	And yeah, and she gets me a beer, ex-girlfriend.
	I broke up with her because she had fake boobs, but I had a dumper.
	Yeah.
	Why did I?
	She also tried to murder me in my sleep, but that's another conversation.
	Yeah.
	Play one more time.
	Just the bow part really quick.
	Watch this.
	Check this shit.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	You see the fucking divan.
	I would do that for him.
	Did you see how deep that was?
	If there were men enough, I would do that.
	That's so going around the table.
	Would you bow for a guy?
	If it was primal enough, it wasn't manly enough.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	Guess queen?
	Okay.
	No.
	You wouldn't do that?
	No.
	What if it.
	What is a kid?
	Bow for a man?
	I'm a Sicilian Irish white chick.
	No, I'm not bowing for someone.
	Do you appreciate dark humor?
	Very much so.
	What if it brought your boyfriend back?
	Ooh.
	That's cold right.
	All right, yeah.
	That's the one.
	That's the one.
	You got me.
	All right.
	All right.
	Resurrection.
	For fun, I would.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Seriously, though.
	He wanted the serious bow.
	A serious bow?
	A serious bow.
	Like that one.
	Okay.
	The head to the floor, sure.
	Love it.
	Would you hit a bow?
	It feels too racially charged.
	It feels a little weird.
	I have black women doing that all the time.
	That's hot.
	I don't know if I'm not.
	I only date black women, so but your ex was anyways.
	She was black.
	Okay.
	She identified her.
	I don't think I would do that.
	She was albino.
	She was cute.
	The black albinos end up looking Asian for some reason.
	All right.
	What about that?
	I would, yeah.
	You'd hit a bow?
	Okay, there you go.
	Holly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Holly's my favorite character.
	Why did half of us take our makeup off?
	And then.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've definitely done it before, like as a joke and stuff.
	Oh, as a joke.
	Oh, it's got to be serious.
	You know what?
	Bow to your sensei.
	I also think on the first date, I didn't show this that like first date, first, or at least the first time she's over at your place.
	A girl should do your laundry.
	Oh, on her first date?
	First time?
	First time she's at your spot, at your place.
	She should do your laundry for you.
	If we don't live together, I'm not romance.
	Romance.
	The only choice is romance.
	I've done nothing.
	Honestly.
	Yes.
	You're loving.
	Yes.
	And it's an aphrodisiac, too.
	For you specifically, uh, probably for other men too.
	It's like, God damn, she looks good, folding my laundry.
	Wait, most men don't want that.
	Most men I've dated are like, please don't do laundry for me.
	Like, they don't want a woman doing his charm.
	This is a new generation, men.
	It's like, that's like something you do as like fucking pussies with their babe.
	Let me do it.
	Weak.
	Not primal.
	Weak.
	Their independents and folding their own laundry.
	What the fuck?
	What is the word?
	Unbelievable, these fucking losers.
	God forbid a man knows how to do laundry.
	Terrible.
	She shouldn't have to know.
	Yeah, she should also.
	If I want to really challenge her, you know, just to test, I have like an old school fucking washboard, too.
	What's it called?
	Not a wash.
	Is it the washboard?
	Yeah, a washboard.
	It's a washboard.
	Yeah.
	She's like, where the fuck you get this from?
	You can't even go to like a Sears.
	Wait, not Sears.
	You can't go to a Sears.
	Where do you buy a fucking washboard?
	I'm like, I bought it at an antique shop.
	So what are you bringing to the table, Brian?
	What do I bring to the table?
	Dirty laundry.
	Yeah.
	I am the table.
	I am the table.
	That's what y'all say.
	Yeah, that's what y'all say.
	All right, here, I got to do some notes for our good, our girl, Emily Bradbury.
	Brad Burry or Burry?
	Bradbury.
	Yeah.
	Emily Bradbury.
	Dude, okay.
	Okay, so I won't be able to.
	You're in orange.
	Here's what we'll do.
	I'm going to do some of your notes, but we'll get you back on for another show.
	And then we'll do, we'll finish the rest.
	Okay, you were in a we'll save your relationship history for another show.
	Yeah.
	What's that?
	You can pick and choose.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	But you said that you have a pretty well-rounded knowledge of masculine and feminine, what men crave, women crave.
	So what do men crave?
	I would say that there's two main things, in my opinion, what I've seen with men is that number one, freedom, like the ability to choose.
	They don't like to be nagged.
	They don't like to be forced into things that they don't want to do.
	So freedom, but also they desire respect.
	And they, I think those would be the two.
	Respect and sorry, I'm losing my train of thought a little bit.
	Respect and freedom.
	Okay, you had a disagreement.
	You said you don't believe the draft argument is necessarily the right counter argument of the inequality between men and women.
	I guess what's your disagreement?
	Yeah, so generally speaking, when this is brought up, sometimes on the not just on this podcast, but in others to represent the inequality between men and women, a lot of the time I feel like each group is just pointing fingers about who has it worse, who's the biggest victim card.
	Men do.
	Go ahead.
	Definitely men.
	Mass victims.
	Under the major argument.
	The major argument.
	I think there are other examples that men can use as well, considering the fact that I don't even, I didn't research it before I came in, but I'm not even sure when the last draft actually was.
	I don't think it was since like what World War II.
	Wrong.
	Erroneous.
	Well, erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	Vietnam.
	Feel free.
	Yeah, feel free to.
	But I would then have to ask you this question.
	Slavery was also a really long time ago.
	Is that not an issue?
	Like, that's not an issue.
	These don't feel like good faith arguments, Brian.
	No, it's actually.
	I know you want to laugh because I'm framing it in a funny way, but it's actually a really strong counter-argument.
	The consequences.
	It's the same thing.
	Hold on, hold on, but it's really.
	I broke up with you.
	What about this kid with cancer?
	No, but here's what you got to understand.
	If your argument is X bad thing happens a long time ago, then the logic it would just follow that, okay, well, slavery happens a long time ago, does that not happen?
	Because we still feel the effects and consequences of slavery in our society today, but we don't from the draft.
	Erroneous, also erroneous.
	Boom.
	Lawyer.
	You've already lost the argument.
	I just have to say no, you're wrong.
	Here's what it is.
	So you're wrong in a couple different ways.
	So there are men who would be alive today that aren't because they were drafted in Vietnam.
	There are men alive today who were drafted, and they have homeless, they have severe PTSD, they have all kinds of problems because of their experience in Vietnam.
	I'm saying men as a whole and the majority of men in the U.S. do not face consequences still and feel the effects still of the draft from the Vietnam War, but black people in America do still feel the effects of hundreds of years of slavery and then segregate.
	If we want to go back, if we want to go back to like World War I, World War II, there were a lot of American men that were drafted in these conflicts and families were destroyed.
	Men are dead.
	Did we draft in World War I and II?
	I thought we only drafted in Vietnam.
	There's always been a draft in existence.
	If you don't know that, hold on.
	You don't think men were drafted in World War I and World War II?
	To my knowledge, I thought that Vietnam was the only time we've had to enact the draft.
	No.
	That men willingly signed up for World War I, World War II in droves.
	Yeah, there were volunteers, but there was also a draft.
	Can we double check that?
	I'm happy to double check it.
	Okay, did the USA draft in World War II?
	Imagine I'm wrong.
	Oh, I typed World War II3.
	I was like, yes, the United States did institute a draft during World War II.
	The Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 authorized a draft even before the U.S. officially entered the war.
	This act required men between the ages of 21 and 36 to register.
	10 million men were inducted into the military through the draft during World War II.
	Let's do World War I.
	Yes, the United States did implement a draft during World War I.
	The Selective Service Act of 1917 authorized the federal government to raise a national army through conscription.
	This enacted after the U.S. declared war on Germany.
	I just don't think you have the historical knowledge here to really be debating me on this.
	You don't even know that there was a draft for World War II.
	It's a pretty decent world history.
	No, you didn't know that.
	But I did not know that happened.
	Hold on.
	You don't have the requisite historical knowledge and understanding to have this conversation.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	It was a good attempt, though.
	Okay.
	No draft.
	I disagree with you, but okay.
	Would you disagree that there was a draft?
	No, I disagree that.
	I disagree that not knowing that makes completely disqualifies me from this conversation.
	Yeah, but so these men were forced to go and fight and go to World War II.
	And that's horrible.
	But today, in 2025, the men of today that exist today in the U.S. are not still suffering the consequences from those men that were drafted.
	Well, hold on.
	If there are, there might have been men who were born had it not been.
	The men alive on this country's soil today do not feel the effects of the people.
	Well, yeah, they never had the opportunity to be born.
	But the black people alive on the U.S. soil today feel the effects of slavery.
	Do they?
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Redlining and districting.
	Like, that's what's sort of plagued the black community for forever.
	Right, but that would be a separate issue from slavery.
	It came down from slavery.
	Slavery became Jim Crow, which became segregation, which became redlining and the bombing.
	Also, the Titanic.
	Don't get me started on the Titanic.
	All right.
	Sorry, it's late, so my arguments are full.
	No, we're at the end of the night.
	Damn, y'all spilling like crazy.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, so hold on.
	Where were we?
	Who was I?
	Wait.
	Was the girl out arguing get up?
	She got up?
	No, you're talking to Emma.
	I was talking to you.
	Oh, the draft?
	So, wait, what's the argument really quick?
	So, I think there's two main things that I have here, which is number one, I think that a lot of the time when in podcasts like this and other ones are brought up, what about the draft?
	It's more of like, again, the pointing victim blame, like of who can be the biggest victim, who can be the biggest martyr, rather than actually talking about ways that we can create solutions for both groups.
	But secondly, I would say that I think there are other issues.
	Like, while I come from a family of veterans, and so I understand the long-term impacts that it has.
	In fact, my own father passed away after the war.
	So, again, I hold a lot of empathy and a lot of respect for people who are veterans.
	I think that now, actively, currently in society, there are bigger issues that if you had to do the who's the biggest victim guard, you didn't have to use the draft.
	But that's just my opinion.
	That was a little sassy.
	Well, I mean, the draft conversation just comes up in conversations about privilege or patriarchy or any sort of feminist-centric conversations.
	So, I mean, the whole narrative of feminism is women have it worse compared to men.
	But then, when you start, which was convenient for a period, but then when men started playing that same game of, okay, well, let's do an analysis of the ways in which men have it or can have it worse, you actually start to discover and uncover quite a bit of ways in which you can make compelling arguments that men have it worse.
	So, it's just playing the feminist game of what women do or what feminists do.
	Women are disadvantaged, men are privileged, and then it's like, well, in these certain aspects, perhaps, perhaps.
	But then, if we're going to play the same game of doing comparison, it's just counter narrative.
	True feminism is just evening the playing field.
	No, it's not.
	In my experience and in my interpretation of feminism so far, is that the initial first wave of feminism was about equal rights, meaning that or equal opportunity.
	Feminism has never been about equality.
	Well, what the fuck was suffrage?
	That might be your opinion on that.
	I'm saying that other feminist issues.
	The right to work, the right to wear pants, the right to.
	Okay, but hold on.
	Women were able to get rights without corresponding responsibility.
	We had to become tax clarifiers.
	Okay, hold on.
	What duties do women have to society?
	What duties?
	The same as any other.
	Do they have the same duties as men, potentially?
	I would argue yes.
	Okay, what about the draft?
	It's okay, the one exception, but I do think that women should be able to do that.
	You mean the one exception?
	Hold on, the one exception that results in men dying?
	No, I would say.
	Oh, would you like to get it?
	No, go ahead.
	I would like to say that I think men and women uniquely have different things that they contribute to society.
	I believe in polarity, meaning that there are certain strengths that women have and magic that they bring, and there are certain strengths that men have and magic that they bring.
	And so I think the draft might be one example of that, where men may be physically stronger.
	I also think, correct me if I'm wrong, there were also a lot of female medics during that time.
	Except men are not physically strong.
	Well, even if I grant that there were female medics, which I'm there were perhaps nurses, when I think of medics, I think of like in the field, but they weren't drafted.
	No woman was forced to become a nurse.
	So to your point, though, feminism has not been about equality.
	Well, now it is.
	I'm in favor of drafting us.
	Well, hold on.
	Next topic.
	But hold on.
	This idea that feminism is about equality, the most charitable definition I'll give feminism is women's advocacy, which is fine.
	That's cool.
	But I think it's this idea in terms of equality.
	Women were able to secure the right to vote without the corresponding responsibility that men had for them to be able to vote, which was you're subject to forced military conscription.
	Women were able to completely avoid that duty, while men, it's been 100 years, by the way, over 100 years since women have had the right to vote.
	There's been no push by feminists to equalize forced military conscription.
	So I ask you again, men have duties to society.
	What duties do women have?
	To pay taxes and contribute to society.
	Yeah, equal.
	Okay.
	Well, hold on.
	No, not really, because the government can say, you know what?
	we're at war, we're going to send the men to the meat grinder, and they can go die, or they can get limbs lost.
	I think that if we're drafting, we should draft both.
	There we go.
	Okay, that's great.
	I mean, an alternative of that.
	That's great that you think that, but it's not the case currently with the law.
	Hallelujah.
	You want it to be the case?
	We're all going to be aware of the people.
	Well, hold on, but if we're having a conversation, if we're having a conversation about equality and women being able to vote and they can vote in representatives who can send men to war.
	Yeah, I mean, I think if we're talking about equality, like fully being equal to each other, yeah, why?
	If we're actually, we're not equal, we'll never will be.
	Right, but that's what feminists are saying.
	Oh, we should be equal.
	Yeah, they're saying that like men should be in women's thing because we have the same strengths.
	So yeah, if you think men can compete in women's whatever, then yeah, we should go to war.
	Let's do it.
	And let's fuck up the country even more by sending us to war.
	Okay, maybe I'm tired and this is a totally bonkers idea.
	So I'm open to hearing feedback about this, but why don't we just if a feminist movement or any movement just removed the forced inscription of the draft and then that's like it's all isn't it?
	Well so you're saying the solution for getting to equality would be to remove the draft.
	Yeah, I'll sit down for that.
	Okay, that's great.
	But you do realize that nations are not going to relinquish their rights to force its citizenry into a military conflict if they deem it necessary.
	One more time.
	Sorry, I'm tired.
	They should.
	Well, okay.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Say that there's a...
	Oh, okay.
	I think I understand it a little bit better.
	Okay, one thing that I challenge, though, with that is back with, I just watched this movie, so.
	So again, maybe not the best source, but the Desmond Doss one.
	One of the things that I noticed is that with back the cultural expectation back then is that men were very excited to go to war.
	They had something to fight for.
	They had a country to protect.
	They had women to protect in a cause to fight and to defend.
	They were also there.
	I mean, they were also propagandized, but okay.
	Okay, that's fair.
	That's a fair point.
	And also, I mean, you said they were defending women.
	Back then, there was this idea of chivalry.
	Women were ladies.
	Men were gentlemen.
	Now I think we didn't have to draft for Iraq.
	People willingly signed up for Iraq.
	Right now, we have at no other point in human history have there been more women who are sex workers and trumpets and all this stuff, right?
	Nothing.
	So this like idealized, like, yeah, men want to go and die for women.
	Why?
	Because you are women virgins?
	Like, are women virgins?
	They don't even want to have kids with you guys.
	I mean, it's because a woman is a virgin.
	I think that's a good thing.
	Okay, but if for men to be virtuous, women also need to be virtuous.
	Sure, but I think only men have to be virtuous?
	Of course not.
	Okay, so women should be virtuous too.
	But I think our definitions of virtuous are different now.
	Is female virtuousness negotiable?
	Female virtuous like men, men should be willing to sacrifice their lives, but so what sacrifice should women, what's the sacrifice women do?
	What's their sacrifice?
	What are their duties?
	They have sex with men when they don't want to.
	Hold on, wait, what?
	Well, I think there's a couple of war with things.
	Like if they have children, then obviously when the men are at war, they're the ones taking care of the children.
	Okay.
	That would be one.
	I think that having children.
	Are women having children?
	Yeah, basically, but no one's even children.
	If the duty, the answer is having children, but women are not having children.
	Not necessarily.
	I think there are plenty of women, especially conservative women, especially Southern women.
	I see it all the time as a Southern girl that are wanting to get married.
	Yeah, but maybe we're on different sides of TikTok, but every single one of my videos on TikTok or, oh my God, I can't wait to get married.
	Like, I'm 22 and I want to be a little bit more.
	Okay, yes, I'm not saying there's a complete absence of more conservative-leaning women who do want to have children.
	But we are, what is it called?
	The birth, there is a birth, what's the word for it?
	Like the birth rate crisis, population collapse, all this stuff.
	So, if it is the and first off, there's not a government-mandated duty for women for women to have children, but there is a government-mandated potential risk that men are going to be sent to war to go and die.
	Okay, I'm not saying that.
	But didn't men create that?
	I think there should be men create the draft.
	Okay, the but other men argument.
	Um, I mean, that's a bit of a red herring, but I mean, I'm not against, like, I'm not a strong feminist, but it was also made by men.
	Brian, when I'm yeah, but I'm curious about men didn't set anything up as a monolith, and it's a bit of a red herring logical fallacy.
	Uh, so do you think men deserve current disadvantages because some small group of powerful men in the past set up a supposed system?
	No, I'm just saying if you have problems with the draft, like who implemented the draft?
	Well, can I ask you a question?
	So, if let's say you live in a utopian society, but there's other societies that want to like take your land or just they're aggressive and belligerents.
	So, even if your own society within your own walls is totally utopian and like everybody's equal and everything's fantastic, wouldn't you want to defend that society from potential outside invaders?
	Yes.
	So, even in a utopian society, there would still be a need for its citizenry to have to defend said utopian society.
	Not so many military people.
	No, like I'm very pro-military.
	Everyone in my family is military.
	I've married an active duty military member.
	But in a utopian society, all I'm saying is if you have a problem, it was a man who made the draft, and it's a man who's in power now who could put women in the draft, and they're not.
	I don't think they're against the draft.
	No, I'm not against draft.
	I don't think he's even against draft.
	He just wants to have a reason to be in the draft.
	They're not saying they don't want to save you guys.
	They're saying, why would we save these hateful women that don't even like us?
	It's worth dying for when the woman loves you, takes care of you, have a child for you, and their whole life is you.
	Then, yeah, they're going to go to the bottom of the corner.
	But most men were not sitting at the table when these systems were built.
	Yeah, but it was still a man who decided it.
	Okay, a man.
	And it's still a man now who's deciding it.
	Well, there's people actively in the seats of power right now.
	I don't know exactly if they're men or women.
	I would assume that they're dominant.
	If a woman was in power, but if a woman was in power, the draft wouldn't disappear tomorrow.
	I didn't.
	I think it depends on her idea, her beliefs.
	Well, can I ask you an example?
	Let me give you an example.
	So let's say that, again, we live in a utopian society and everything's really great here, but there's this other society that wants our stuff and wants our land because our land is better or whatever.
	Or they think that our land is their land, and then they raise an army and they invade.
	Let's say that they have more soldiers than we have soldiers.
	This is a hypothetical scenario.
	We know that their army is more powerful because they have more soldiers.
	But if our volunteer army is not big enough to defend against their larger army, but if we force some men to go and fight, then we can repel the invading force.
	Don't force them to offer more money.
	There's two things that I would say here.
	Okay, so also America's military is the strongest military in the country already.
	Let me respond to her thing.
	Yeah, I know that.
	So, like, hold on, but it's a hypothetical in a random ass state.
	So it's cooked into the scenario that the men don't want to volunteer, like they don't want to die.
	Doesn't matter.
	You could offer me a million dollars.
	You can offer me $10 million.
	I'm not going to fucking Ukraine.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to.
	I don't care how much money you offer.
	My life is priceless.
	Yeah, but there's a bunch of dudes who absolutely would.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	That's how the military gets people out of the country.
	Okay, but I don't think the military, it's not clear to me if the military in all of these circumstances would be able to offer each soldier a million dollars.
	And then the existing soldiers are going to be like, oh, you're paying them a million dollars?
	Well, I'm not going to fight unless you pay me a million dollars.
	The U.S. military could.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	I don't think it's a good idea.
	Because the U.S. military pays money.
	Yeah, they don't pay literally nothing.
	The United States military, the most powerful military in the world, pays dog shit.
	No, they pay literally nothing.
	That's the problem.
	But that's the way that people, the reason people join the military today is for the money.
	No.
	And typically people money.
	No, no, no.
	People who want out of their small towns, typically.
	It's one of the reasons.
	I'll grant that.
	There's a lot of things here, which is, number one, my previous boyfriend was actually, he was in the military.
	And so I know a good little bit about the benefits and such like that.
	But before I even met him, the reason that he joined the military, and I respect him and a lot of men that also have these similar beliefs, is that they believe in protecting the rights of our country.
	He was in the military way before he had me as a girlfriend and before he was considering me As a wife.
	And so his purpose was he wanted to protect, again, the rights of this country, the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and the fact that we are a big superpower as a country, just period.
	And so that's one thing: I believe that regardless of what you believe about women, I think there's a lot of respect that I have for men who just want to protect the country so that we can continue to have the rights that we have.
	Number one.
	Number two, if in this scenario, like, you know, let's say the men don't want to volunteer, I'm not against the idea of, okay, yes, men and women can be drafted into it.
	They may play different roles.
	That's what for people who are way higher up and way smarter than me can think about, which is, okay, maybe the women, if they're not physically as strong for being on the front lines, whatever it is, I think there's some women that could probably meet those qualifications.
	But if not, then they can be medics.
	They can be, there's, there's, you know, how many people in the military aren't even on the act of war and they're in the background doing tech and doing drones and monitoring.
	Right.
	I would still, so I would still argue, even in scenarios where we did open up the draft to women, it would still be some degree of injustice or inequality because invariably you would put the women in safe positions where they're out of harm's way.
	So even if technically we do equalize the draft, it's ultimately still going to be some form of male disposability where the men are always going to be sent to frontline combat positions and the women are in like these, like you said, like back what's it called?
	Sorry, I'm fucking tired.
	Back of the line positions.
	I don't think that's, I don't know how necessarily true that is.
	Again, I don't have the stats for it, but like again, medics are going to be in the frontline combat.
	I mean, depending if we're having really bad numbers for the military, we may not have no choice but to put women on the front lines.
	Or just give up on the I think we should just take all the men out of the military and just put men or put women all in the military and just let them fight for a couple of years.
	Which equals your country going to someone else.
	Let's go, girls.
	Let's do it.
	Okay.
	Moving on, a couple things.
	Then we're going to get this wrapped.
	You wrote that body count does not matter, shouldn't be led with.
	History can be an indication of values and character, but the idea that men and women are defined by it is not looking at the deeper, true perspective of it.
	Going around the table, a woman's passion not matter.
	Does anybody who agrees with that?
	Maddie, do you agree with that?
	Like passion, not matter.
	The amount of people she slept with?
	Emily, you agree with that?
	Lucy, you agree with that?
	For the most part, yes.
	Agree.
	Eleanor, you agree.
	Going around the table, what is, if body count doesn't matter, what's your body count starting with homegirl?
	I do it professionally, so these ring pops were a terrible idea.
	Well, we've been here for so long.
	I need sugar.
	Like, it's just you, your teeth.
	I know.
	It looks so good.
	The teeth doesn't even look so good.
	It's my job.
	It's okay.
	So I don't know.
	Range.
	Ballpark.
	80, 90, 100, 200.
	Did you know your civilian count?
	Yeah, civilian.
	I believe it was 12.
	Okay.
	And then how many for work?
	You said 80?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Around that.
	What about you?
	Can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table, please?
	Mine is eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	Six men, four women.
	Okay, Emily.
	Nice.
	So I mentioned this on my post, but out of three men, one woman.
	20.
	Okay.
	I'll never tell.
	Range, ballpark.
	Never.
	Never.
	So is it over mine?
	What about you?
	Is it overline?
	No, you have to answer.
	Is it over mine?
	Just throw it out there.
	Six.
	Six.
	Okay, all right.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait.
	And now you multiply it by three.
	That's the point.
	I was literally going to sleep.
	Let's do anything until I transferred times three, bro.
	I don't reveal my body count.
	Come on.
	Holly, what is it?
	Come on.
	It's never going to happen.
	After tonight, I don't know.
	Shit, what's up, Holly?
	What's up?
	She took that ring.
	You see that shit?
	Damn, she was.
	I meant she was never going to tell you.
	She's ready for you.
	What's up?
	All right.
	Awkward.
	We should get out of your way then.
	Okay, don't get jealous over there.
	All right.
	I can watch.
	All right.
	I'm going to blast through.
	I'm not going to do all these questions.
	We're going to do like three or four and then.
	Okay, Maddie, a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	Why do you think that?
	I just do.
	Next question.
	Dude, it's like three in the morning.
	No.
	It is not three.
	I'm from Georgia, so it's like 7 a.m. for me.
	Oh, shit.
	I don't think the time difference is that much, but it's three hours.
	I feel you.
	You can't ask me about transgender topics right now.
	I can't.
	This should have been an earlier topic.
	Well, I have to have you back on the show for that.
	Lucy, you said, oh, my God, Lucy.
	Yes.
	Lucy Goosey, you're in LA, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, we're going to have to have you back for some of these, okay?
	Second date.
	I would love to.
	Yeah, second date.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm just going to do the good ones then.
	I'm going to skip the trans stuff because I don't know, whatever.
	Once again, it's too late for all that.
	Yeah, I'll do a few.
	I'll do just like three or something.
	100%.
	Okay.
	Why don't we do this?
	Josie, Jose.
	How do you say your name?
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	Why is that?
	Would you say?
	You said men are more privileged, or you agree, men are more privileged in society than women.
	Yeah, I would say that that's true.
	Why is that?
	Just more respected in general.
	More respected?
	Yeah, in the workplace.
	I respect women in the workplace.
	Yes, you do.
	But more respected?
	What does that mean?
	Their expertise are respected more than women.
	Okay.
	Are they?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	We got a data scientist here.
	She's very well respected in her data science field.
	It's a male-dominated field, so not really.
	As long as you respect me, Brian.
	All right.
	That's it.
	That's the only way men are more privileged in society than women anymore.
	There's other examples, but it is two in the morning, so I'm running on fumes, babe.
	The wage gap.
	No, I'm not going to talk about wage gap, but okay, let's see.
	Damn, I should have hit this earlier.
	You should have.
	I blame you guys.
	You guys were talking about some weird shit.
	You're the host.
	I know it's all my fault.
	Yeah, you're the big man.
	Yeah, you're supposed to tell us what to do.
	You're supposed to lead.
	I had to step away for a moment.
	Okay, people.
	Like five minutes after this nine-hour podcast.
	People of color can't be racist towards white people.
	Why do you think that, Lucy?
	I think prejudice and racism are separate.
	So anyone of any demographic can hold, you know, not so pleasant views towards other demographics, but to actually hold institutional power and systemically oppress and marginalize is a completely separate issue.
	Well, so there's like institutional racism, systemic racism, but you don't believe in individual racism.
	Well, that's just prejudice.
	No, that would be racism.
	So, for example, if an individual white person.
	I thought you're white spleening to me.
	Well, that would be that's racist in and of itself, coming from an Asian woman, I suppose.
	But you would agree that a white person could say a slur towards like a black person, and that would be racist, right?
	Right, yeah.
	Right, but it wouldn't be like institutionally racist or systemically racist, it would be perpetuating pre-existing institutional barriers.
	I'm not, well, perpetuating.
	Okay.
	Oh, because think about like the slur for black people would be the N-word, and then there's a slur for white people, which is cracker because of slavery.
	Don't say it.
	You can say one word and you can't say the other.
	Don't say it for the platforms.
	Oh, yeah, that's not sure.
	Just call them saltines.
	Saltines.
	Okay, that's fine.
	It's literally a food.
	Okay, sorry.
	So you're saying that there can't be an instance of individual racism that a white person experiences in the United States?
	If I went to China, could I experience racism?
	Probably not because they love white people over there.
	Like, they really love you guys.
	Okay, well, you could make that same, couldn't you make that same argument here in the United States?
	But white Americans generally don't love people of color or minorities.
	Are you kidding me?
	Hold on.
	What is the dominant?
	What would you say is like the dominant culture in the United States when it comes to like music?
	Well, I think Americans, we love hip-hop music.
	We love to adopt and.
	Wow, if it was the case, how could hip-hop and rap ever be mainstream?
	Well, because we love certain aspects of people's cultures while we can still harbor our own prejudice and ill will.
	So you think all these white people who love rap music are like secretly racist?
	No, not at all.
	I just think how you feel about one aspect of someone's culture doesn't absolve you of having any sort of implicit biases towards that particular demographic of people.
	You can hate Mexicans and love tacos.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	That's true.
	But again, so you're saying a white person in China, for example, could not experience racism?
	I think, well, that's a completely separate social system, but generally speaking, Asians tend to love Western culture and white people, and a white person could experience marginalization, but you can't apply that same logic here in America.
	Yeah, but I'm asking, could a white person experience racism in China?
	I still wouldn't say it's racism.
	I would still say it's prejudice.
	Hold on.
	Are white people the institutional power in China?
	Or are Chinese people have systemic and institutional power?
	Well, white people.
	Here.
	No, go ahead, answer.
	I was going to say, because Western supremacy has been pervasive throughout all different areas of the world.
	So even in areas like East Asia, we're still...
	China is antagonistic towards the West.
	But still, we still adopt Eurocentric ideals of beauty and still uphold American.
	That's that liberal word salad.
	Okay, so you're just to be clear, how do you define racism?
	Well, racism is when there is a dominant social constructed group that is in power that wields the institutional and systemic power to oppress and marginalize other folks who are not in that particular demographic.
	Okay, great.
	So even using your completely ridiculous definition of racism, just for the sake of conversation, I'll grant it.
	Under your own definition, a white person could experience racism in China.
	Marginalization or prejudice, or they're not the same thing.
	Okay, can I ask you a question?
	If the government of China decided to kill all white tourists in the country, would that be racist?
	I mean, that's a sad vegetation.
	Would it be a racist policy?
	Or is that just prejudice?
	No, it would be a hate crime.
	Would it be racist, though?
	It would be a race-based hate crime.
	Would it be racist?
	I wouldn't use that terminology.
	So it's just prejudice.
	How could it possibly be?
	Hold on.
	I'm giving you a different civilization, a different society, where Chinese people hold all levels of institutional power.
	Like as a white person, can I become a member of the CCP?
	I mean, if you got citizenship.
	I'm can, hold on.
	Can even white people like go to Japan and I'm not sure if they ever can become Japanese, but somebody who's Japanese or any from any country can come to America and become American.
	And they can actually join the political system.
	So again, I'm asking you, if I were to move to China or there were white people in China and the Chinese, the CCP, they had some policy where they're like, you know what, we don't like these white people in our country.
	We're just going to kill all of them.
	Would that be racist?
	I know you want me to say yes, but I'm saying based on the vernacular alone, I don't think.
	I feel like this is a layup.
	However, it's just like the definition.
	I'm just arguing semantics.
	Okay, how about this?
	South Africa.
	Sure.
	Where they're killing all the white people.
	I don't think if you want to make this argument that, well, okay, in Asian countries, they pedestalize white people.
	There's some dispute there, but okay, fine, whatever.
	They do that.
	In my country, they do that, but it's because you guys accomplished a lot more.
	Okay, Mary, you got to be really careful with her angle here.
	Okay, so what about there's certain African countries where there's like not really any positive sentiment towards white people.
	They hold all the power.
	Black people hold all the power in these African countries.
	Could there be racism towards white people in an African country?
	I mean, are the white people currently being subjugated to any sort of oppressive regimes or hate crimes?
	I'll just give you a hypothetical.
	Let's say there's the, it doesn't even have to necessarily, how about like a white person goes to an African country and an individual citizen of said African country murders them because they're white.
	Would that be racist?
	It would be a race-based hate crime.
	Would it be racist?
	I mean, I just, my only qualm is with the semantics here because obviously it's race-based.
	Explain.
	Okay, again, what is the definition of racism?
	Well, to me, it's about the power structures that are existing, not just about one race hating another race.
	Okay, so, but I'm even use, again, I'm using your definition.
	You're talking about power structure.
	So I'm assuming in an African country, for example, it's not white people who have any power in said African country.
	Well, certain areas.
	Okay, great.
	South Africa, but even they aren't really in power as much anymore.
	I'm talking in Nigeria.
	Let's use Nigeria.
	I don't think there's like a really much representation of white people in their government system.
	The government system is, to my understanding, entirely made up of black people.
	Sure, but it still doesn't absolve what has happened with, again, the Eurocentrism that has been so pervasive throughout the entire world, which is why you see all sorts of cultures going through practices like skin lightening or trying to make themselves look whiter.
	What would that have to do with a black person murdering a white person in an African country because they don't like white people?
	How is that not racist?
	It's a race-based hate crime.
	I'm just saying it's a very important thing.
	Why won't you put the racist title to it?
	Well, because I just don't think that's an accurate use of the word.
	But I'm using...
	What does the words mean?
	Okay, repeat the definition to me because I must be missing something in your definition.
	Repeat it.
	Okay, no, the only thing is, like, the difference is that there is a dominant group that is in power that holds socio-political and economic capital in currency in some sense.
	But if someone kills a black people.
	White people don't have any of that in African countries or in Asian countries.
	No, they definitely do.
	No, they don't.
	Globally, white folks hold a lot of citizenship.
	Hold on, just to be clear, I think there are probably more Asian Americans who have power in America than there are white people who have power in any sort of form of government in any Asian countries.
	Oh, that's not true.
	That's the model.
	Okay, how many white people are in the CCP?
	But that's the CCP.
	Okay, how many white people are in government in Japan?
	Why are we looking at East Asia, though?
	Okay, where do you want to go?
	Laos, Vietnam?
	Where do you want to go?
	No.
	Cambodia?
	Probably there's not white people in positions of power in any of these Asian countries.
	Well, sure, but I'm just saying that that's the government, and that doesn't, that's not the same thing as substantive equality or representation on a global scale.
	Bro, that's a bunch of word salad.
	What?
	You're also catching me at 2 a.m.
	Yeah, it's like 2.30, Brian.
	I got to drive home.
	All right, I'll wrap it soon.
	I'm going to get this wrapped.
	And truly, I mean, I don't want to fall asleep on the road.
	We don't want you to go for two hours.
	It's like seriously.
	I mean, Lucy, we can run it back, but I'm.
	I would love to go on a second date with you, too.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	I just genuinely don't understand the logic here because I'm meeting your definition of racism.
	I'm literally meeting your definition.
	How about this?
	This is one I often like to give.
	Let's say Barack Obama, when he was president, he refused to hire a white janitor because the janitor was white in the White House.
	Would that be racist?
	It would be prejudiced and bigoted, but it still wouldn't be.
	Okay, let me ask you clarifying questions.
	Okay.
	Your definition of racism is prejudice plus power, basically?
	Basically, if you were to simplify it.
	Okay, so Barack Obama at the time was the president of the United States of America, the most powerful nation in the world, most powerful military.
	He's the, what's the term? Commander-in-Chief of the United States military.
	He is the leader of the executive branch of the government.
	And he's the leader of the executive branch of the government.
	And this government is the most powerful government in the world.
	The United States government, the executive branch, is an institution, and it's also systemic.
	It's a system.
	How does this then not meet your definition of power plus prejudice?
	If Barack Obama at the time was the most powerful man in the world and he was the leader of systems and institutions and he was prejudiced towards a white person, that would then be racist under your metric of prejudice plus power.
	Well, no, because just because Barack Obama individually is a man of power, that doesn't necessarily mean that he is absolved of his identity as a black man.
	Yeah, he's still black, sure.
	Throughout his presidency, he was targeted a lot for his blackness, but that's beside the point.
	Yeah, very red-herring.
	So still, I mean, not anyways, but so because of blackness still being entrenched in his identity, he still carries this marginalized identity with him throughout his presidency.
	And therefore, we can't just say, oh, because he's president, therefore anything he does is inherently either racist or whatever other type of iss because he has a position of power through his job, but not through his identity.
	Ah, I see.
	Okay, I'll okay.
	If you want to dodge it, I can give you another example.
	Let's say there's a corporation that it's a black-owned business, massive international corporation.
	This is a hypothetical.
	I'm not citing to an actual company.
	And it's United States-based.
	This corporation, international, makes billions of dollars a year.
	And the entire board of directors, all black, ownership black, leadership black.
	And they refuse to hire white janitors.
	And these white janitors are clear.
	And these are all millionaires, by the way.
	Black millionaires.
	But the white janitors all come from a really low socioeconomic.
	So it's classist.
	Okay, hold on.
	Here, you don't know their socioeconomic status.
	But I think it's fair to assume if somebody's working as a janitor, probably not like really high up when it comes to socioeconomics.
	Is that racist?
	That's classist.
	Okay.
	Okay, but no, no, no, no.
	We have got to agree to disagree.
	Hold on, hold on.
	It's not classist because the reason they won't hire them is not because of their class.
	They happen to be of a low socioeconomic class.
	But the reason that these black millionaires who run this corporation, the reason that they cite to, is that because they're white, they won't hire them because they're white.
	That is also a like a race-based prejudice.
	Scoot your mic.
	Don't lean on the table.
	Scoot your mic.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so it's a race-based prejudice, and it's injustice and it's wrong.
	But I mean, I still just, my only issues with the semantics, I'm not arguing with you on the ethics or the morality because I agree with you that it's not right.
	I'm just saying for the vernacular of like, you know, what the definition is.
	Yeah, but.
	I mean, if you just change the definition to people named Lucy are racists, like being to be a racist, you must be named Lucy, and that's it.
	Then I could just say that you're racist.
	You could.
	But I didn't change the rules.
	You just changed the definition to suit your political ideology.
	It's not the definition.
	It's not the definition here.
	I'll Google it and I can read it to you.
	Here, watch racism.
	Super easy.
	Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual community or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.
	The dictionary is not all-encompassing of all sociological factors.
	Well, up until like 10 years ago, all this woke is and bullshit, that was the accepted definition of what racism is.
	What does this have to do with dating?
	I don't know.
	She made me print these out.
	I didn't print these out.
	She printed these out.
	Wow, it's been an amazing show.
	This has been the roughest first date of my life.
	Wait, let's see.
	Did anybody write last one and then we'll wrap?
	I get to pick one more.
	I would have loved to have gotten to all of this.
	Women do not have equal rights.
	Yeah.
	Whoever it is, please just agree.
	Yeah, just change your views.
	Agree.
	I agree.
	Anybody, did anybody want an energy drink or anything before you guys go?
	If we have any availables, then we'll make sure everybody gets on.
	Did anybody for 22?
	Hold on, let me just see if anybody did 22.
	Holly, do you need one?
	I'm gonna get coffee.
	All right.
	Okay, I'll just do this.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Lucy, you just say they do.
	Lucy, you agree.
	Hold on, this is the last thing.
	I just say TBA.
	I'll keep it.
	Two minutes.
	Here, we'll do three minutes.
	Never three minutes.
	You have to put a stopwatch on that.
	Also, Marcelina, you also said women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Here, let's just dive into it.
	I swear, three, four, five minutes tops.
	Put on a time right now.
	I was just saying that based on the pro-choice and pro-life.
	Oh, just the abortion thing?
	Okay.
	Yeah, we don't have to do that.
	I won't buy that.
	Well, I'll just say that men don't have reproductive rights, so there's not an inequality.
	Oh, yeah, but like if a man wants to get a vasectomy or get his tubes tied, he doesn't have to jump through all the hurdles that women have to go through if they want a hysterectomy or to get their tubes.
	Okay, what rights do men have that women don't?
	And that's not true, by the way.
	Oh, is it not?
	No.
	God.
	Fact-checked.
	Go ahead.
	Hold on, chill out.
	Chill out, Holly.
	Relax.
	Just give me a right that men have that women don't.
	Oh, gosh.
	I mean, to ghost women.
	That's the kind of right they have.
	I mean, I would say there's okay.
	Okay, so to wrap this up really succinctly, there's a difference between formal and substantive equality.
	So I would say on paper, it looks as though both genders are equal now, but in practice, that is not the case.
	Because if you look at boardrooms, if you look at a political leadership point of view, yeah, what about rights, though?
	What about rights?
	What does that have to do with rights?
	Well, okay, perhaps my interpretation of that was okay.
	I would say on paper, we've made strides so that men and women appear to be more equal than before, but we still live in a patriarchy where men and women are not treated equally and do not have the same substantive access to equality.
	I don't think you'll ever escape the Matrix.
	You're stuck in this shit forever.
	Girl, never escaping the Matrix.
	We'll have her back.
	Brainwashed.
	We'll have her back.
	That's cool.
	In any case, there are no rights that men have that women don't.
	I'm going to prepare for our second date better, Ryan.
	Sounds good.
	Sounds good.
	All right.
	A couple chats come through, then we wrap.
	I only have two.
	Will Masters.
	It was below the threshold, my friend.
	But yeah, it was below the threshold.
	We're at $69 TTS/slash read.
	Darth Vader, what about the Ugh?
	How do you pronounce this?
	Uyghurs?
	Uyghurs?
	Uyghurs.
	Who are currently encamped in China?
	Well, yeah, I mean, they're the ethnic minority in China.
	So are the Chinese racist towards the Uyghurs?
	I mean, I think that we...
	And that's really close to...
	Yeah.
	That's an interesting way to spell.
	Are they racist?
	I mean, those are an ethnic minority group, so one could argue.
	I mean, I'm not a political person.
	You do realize globally white people are a minority.
	Well, yes.
	Like, statistically, proportionally, yes.
	Yeah, white people are a minority globally.
	You're so exotic.
	That's right.
	That's why they love us over there in Asia.
	Okay, all right.
	That's it for the chats.
	If one comes through, I'll get to it.
	But I'm going to get this wrapped up here because the girls are hating me right now.
	Hey, you know, whatever.
	Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
	I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you, you, also you, you, and you a call to action.
	Would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight?
	Right now?
	OnlyFans, I guess, for you, not sex work.
	Yeah.
	Would you consider stopping sex work tonight?
	Well, absolutely.
	If nothing changed.
	What do you mean?
	Like, just for no reason, just to stop it?
	Like, yeah, just right now.
	Just stop it right now.
	Like, what's changed?
	You know, there's bills.
	Yeah, it's mortgages.
	Do you know something?
	If you say you're going to pay my mortgages and my bills and you're going to help me find another job to support myself, then yeah, 100%.
	I only date women with large labias, sorry.
	I would never quite.
	With what?
	I enjoy it.
	I mean, this is how I fund my grad school education.
	I don't fund anything.
	I just like it.
	But if I could go back.
	You should bring in Johnny Sins with you and we'll talk about it.
	I will go back.
	We've never had a male.
	I'll bring him.
	We've never had a male actor.
	I've been saving it for the chief, the big man.
	Whoa, that sounded weird.
	Oh.
	Like the final boss.
	He's the final boss.
	Have you also seen our video or something?
	No.
	I want to see.
	I can bring him.
	Actually, one of your people told me that they're going to pay my bills.
	If they do that, I will.
	I'll love that for you.
	I will delete it.
	Yeah, I will.
	Didn't you just start like a month ago or some shit?
	No, I've been doing it.
	Or who was the month ago person?
	Me.
	She started.
	Oh, well, okay.
	So not a month.
	I had to make my life worse.
	Tonight, well, then who's paying my bills?
	I don't know.
	I think Brian.
	You have a bisexual girlfriend over there who's trying to.
	I have to pay for people now?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	I thought you were like the boss gonna pay for shit.
	Okay, all right.
	Nobody can delete that.
	Who said that?
	I don't know, whatever.
	Okay, I failed.
	I tried my best, though.
	You know, I tried.
	All right.
	I think it's a system problem, and there is possibilities of people deleting it, but it takes a while.
	And there has to be a lot of different ways to stop the way that the world is going.
	It does have a lot with men and women, both sides.
	It would be a change.
	All right.
	GG.
	Well played.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sunday, excuse me, Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got confused there.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Pull up Twitch really quick.
	Oh my goodness.
	Guys, drop us a follow in the Prime sub at the end here.
	It's been 15 minutes since we last got a Prime.
	Just quick.
	Check if you have a Prime sub available.
	Drop us a Prime.
	Drop us a follow.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	And let's see if there's anything else.
	Any final thoughts from anybody?
	Speak now.
	Forever.
	Hold your peace.
	Holly.
	I think you need to.
	Have a good night, y'all.
	Holly, you need a final word.
	Final word.
	What's that, Mary?
	Oh, super here.
	I'll pull it up earlier.
	Okay, we have a oh, sorry, guys.
	Couple.
	A chat came through.
	Hide that for a sec.
	I would like to thank the panelists for attending the podcast and to Brian, our host, Chair One, is awesome for speaking facts.
	Thank you all, and good night.
	I'll get you linked up with.
	He's in Canada.
	He owns some casinos.
	I'll get you guys.
	I don't know why you don't get it.
	I'm not here to get saved or like pitied.
	I'm here to go home to save me.
	I mean, I am safe.
	I am driving up a bunch of people.
	I need a man to save me.
	That's not my main focus.
	My main focus is like, why are we here?
	That's my main focus.
	Like, why are we here?
	Let's on Earth.
	Wow, that's really deep.
	No, not that.
	Like, I thought we'd try to go home now.
	If you want to find a man and get your bills paid, go to Trump rallies.
	Go to Mar-a-Lago.
	Go see Charlie Kirk and his people.
	I do.
	Subscribe to my Olympic.
	Yeah, they're not.
	Yeah, if you want to pay my bills, subscribe to my Olympic Crazy Talk.
	Take this as an example.
	Take this an example of why Brian listens to their bullshit.
	He's using their bullshit to explain to them that this is bullshit.
	All of you should thank Brian for listening to your bullshit.
	W, Brian, W whatever.
	Oh, my God.
	Thank you, Chris.
	I think we shouldn't even be in a position for you to have to listen to our bullshit.
	Mazzle talks.
	Good night.
	That is what I think.
	I agree.
	You're listening to our bullshit because this poor found men's throwing here speaking.
	I just shouldn't.
	Because I think you should be focusing on helping young men.
	Fucking Bitcoin is what I should have done.
	I was a fucking idiot.
	I should have a round table of the men.
	I think you should save the young men.
	And I think you have a good opportunity to do that.
	When I heard about Bitcoin in 2013, here's what I should have done.
	I should have invested.
	That's something in a pastor.
	She loves it.
	Josie loves this conversation.
	I should have fucking bought some Bitcoin when it was at a fuck less than a fucking dollar.
	I would have been so fucking rich.
	You think I don't fucking wake up with nightmares?
	Because I remember I was about to click the fucking buy button.
	I was about to buy like a hundred fucking Bitcoins.
	Here I am talking to a bunch of motherfuckers tonight.
	It's fucking crazy.
	Instead, I could have been rich on some fucking island.
	I could have been on fucking Hawaii with my fucking Bitcoin.
	But I'm talking the fucking new.
	I think you have very good ideas.
	No, you're doing a good job.
	It's just like.
	I'm not going to catch a pump on Bitcoin.
	Hello?
	What the fuck?
	My only chance is Doge or Ethereum, maybe.
	Or Shibit.
	You know, whatever people don't know.
	Crazy talk about this.
	Okay, guys, we got to have this.
	9, 19.
	Oh, my God.
	It's going to be like 9, 19.
	19.
	919.
	13, okay?
	Like, exactly.
	13, because you know how we have to do the delay?
	We have to do the delay.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	Okay, it's coming.
	Okay.
	07 is in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	Thank you, everybody.

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