Whatever Podcast - 150 Body Count At 18?! Yung Gravy Side Piece?! CHEATING?! Hater CONFRONTS Brian?!

June 25, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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150 Body Count At 18?! Yung Gravy Side Piece?! CHEATING?! Hater CONFRONTS Brian?! | Dating Talk #248

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	Hi, I'm Chloe Yummy, and I'm 18.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm 19.
	But I do Instagram, Snapchat, and OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
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	My name is Audrey.
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	Entrepreneur.
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	Not currently, but I did.
	Not currently, but I did go to school to start to be a mortician, but I put that on pause.
	Got it.
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	My name's Lindsay Lee, and I am 29.
	I'm from Phoenix, Arizona, and I have some college, but I am currently an adult film star.
	All right.
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	It was for a PTA, physical therapy assistant.
	Okay.
	But I did culinary school.
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	No, I've worked two to four jobs in my whole life.
	So.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Katerina Hammond.
	I'm 24.
	I'm from Canada.
	And I do, I'm a server, and I also do like Instagram content creator.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Any education or anything like that?
	Just high school.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Lucy, Lucy Lotus, and I used to be, oh, wait, I'm from Dallas, Texas.
	And I used to be a server in fine dining for like four to five years.
	And then now I'm in adult film.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	As a performer.
	Age?
	20.
	Oh my God.
	I'm literally like, word vomiting.
	27.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm nervous.
	You're fine.
	And sorry, did you say you did any university or college?
	I was a server in fine dining.
	I joined the Navy at one point, but I was in boot camp and I had medical issues.
	So I had an entry-level discharge.
	Entry-level discharge.
	It's an honorable one.
	It's just like you get let go during boot camp, anyways.
	That's really cool.
	You got pregnant?
	No.
	No.
	That would be really interesting, though.
	No.
	I've never been pregnant.
	Oh, okay.
	The Navy?
	Like, so how many weeks?
	You said you were in the boot camp?
	So, like, how many days did you stay in that?
	Just half a day.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	No.
	No, I was in it for six weeks.
	Six weeks.
	Okay.
	How long does boot camp take, please?
	It's eight weeks.
	You're almost there.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, I just had medical stuff going on.
	I mean, it's not anything like that interesting, to be honest.
	I just, yeah.
	What about you?
	My name is Anastasia.
	I'm 36 years old.
	I was born in Vladivostok, Russia, which is Far East.
	I am from Charlotte, North Carolina.
	I graduated to UNC Charlotte and I am systems administrator for the job as well as I do makeup and special effects on Instagram.
	Got it.
	Any college, university, what was your degree in?
	Organizational communications from UNC Charlotte.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Sula.
	I'm 31 years old.
	I have a degree in biology from Georgia Tech.
	I'm originally from Moscow, Russia.
	As of now, I'm a stay-at-home mom, but I have a YouTube channel, Simply Shulam, and I do like influencing.
	I do pranks, woke cosplay.
	Did you bring your costume change with you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So midway through the show, she might swap into something else.
	If you guys want, I can do that.
	What about you?
	My name is Jordan.
	I am from Charlotte, North Carolina.
	I'm 22.
	I went to hair school, so I have a cosmetology license and have been doing that.
	I also do nonprofit organization work with pregnancy resource centers and adoption stuff.
	And am I forgetting something?
	I think that was it.
	Yeah.
	Did you say you're university?
	Oh, so I went to Aveda, which is like an arts and science technical school to get my cosmetology license to do hair.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is David Patrick Harry.
	I have a PhD in religious studies from the Graduate Theological Union.
	I'm 35 years old, and I have a YouTube channel called Church of the Eternal Logos.
	I make online content, educational content, and cultural commentary.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	So what is your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single, and the longest relationship I've been in was like in high school, so three years.
	The longest relationship was three years, you said?
	Yeah.
	How long have you been single?
	I mean, it's been like a back and forth thing with like multiple people, but like, I would say, like, I don't know my situation.
	I'm single, though.
	You're.
	Weren't you like in you just got out of something or?
	Yeah, I would say like a month ago I was in like a relationship But I don't know I'm single now.
	Single now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	My last relationship was my longest.
	It was three and a half years.
	I'm glad that ended.
	And I'm currently wanting to be single until like I look for marriage.
	I'm not looking to date right now.
	Okay.
	So sorry, you've been single for how long again?
	It's been almost a year, I think.
	It's been a while.
	Okay.
	What else you want to know?
	I mean, I was, I mean, I was in a three and a half long relationship with this guy, and it was an awful relationship.
	Good guy, awful relationship.
	Traumatized me.
	So now I'm wanting to be single for a while because I don't want to get back into that dating game again.
	And you've been single, sorry, you said for like a year.
	One year.
	Since the last relationship.
	Gotcha.
	Can you take the jingle jongles off?
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Jangling.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And what about you?
	Lindsay.
	I've been in a five-year, a three-year, and I want to say a two- or three-year as well.
	But I've been single for at least a year.
	Very happily so.
	And you said the longest was three years?
	Five.
	Oh, five years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then the one that ended a year ago, how long was that one?
	Like four on and off, but yeah.
	Four on and off.
	Technically like three.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	But you've been in a couple, multiple two-year, three-year, a couple long-term relationships.
	Got it.
	Yes.
	The longest one, the five-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	He just blocked me.
	He blocked you.
	He just blocked me.
	Okay, so he ended it, I suppose.
	Yeah.
	His mom called me later and was like, he doesn't love you.
	I was like, all right, cool.
	That's fucked up.
	That's why I'm saying.
	One in four stay single for the rest of their life.
	I'm hoping to be that one in four.
	You want to be one of the one in four.
	Yes.
	What about the other couple long-term relationships you've had?
	Did you end them or did they, or a mix?
	It was a mix.
	Yeah.
	The last one was pretty mutual.
	We both knew.
	It was not good.
	So.
	Plus, I was in therapy, and none of them have done therapy.
	So once you have been through therapy and start to see some of the trends of trauma, you know, you just decide I don't want to talk around that anymore.
	I'll come back to the therapy thing, but I'll get the rest of everybody's relationship sadness.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	I've been single for just over a year, and the longest relationship ever was probably like two and a half years.
	Who broke up with who?
	For which one?
	The two and a half year one?
	I loved him.
	I have a restraining order against him now.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	And then the most recent one that ended a year ago.
	Definitely left him.
	You definitely left him also.
	Okay.
	And okay.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	And I would say my longest relationship, I was like 19 and it was three years long.
	And we were on and off.
	I think we broke up like five times.
	The first time he broke up with me, it was because I told him I had only had sex with two people when we first started dating and it was like a lot more than that.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	Yeah.
	And so he broke up with me and then I told him that we were done when I said we were done.
	She belongs to the streets.
	Are those your songs?
	Are those sounds?
	I don't know.
	It just coalesces out of the ether.
	So, okay, your first long-term relationship, sort of right after high school, you had told him the body count was on the low end.
	You lied.
	He told me.
	How did he find out?
	Like, did you tell him or did he like it?
	I just started feeling guilty because I started really falling for him.
	So I was like, this lie, like, I'm holding it in.
	So I told him and he like flipped out on me.
	Wait, so you told him, what was the number that you told him?
	Four.
	Like two to four, yeah.
	Two to four.
	What was it actually?
	I still lied to him the second time, actually.
	But I had to raise the number a bit just to like let him know.
	Cause yeah.
	I told you.
	Yeah, tell us the new lie and then tell us what the actual number was.
	So I told him it was 22, thinking that it would be like chill, you know.
	And then he'd be, he was like, he flipped out like really bad.
	But the actual number.
	All right, I'm going to say this.
	The actual number at the time was like 150.
	Excuse me?
	Sorry, mom.
	Wait, how old were you?
	Wait, how old were you at the time?
	I was 19.
	I had a friend who had an older sister, and she told me, have sex with as many people in high school as you can because no one has STDs.
	What?
	So I took that as law, and I really went for it.
	Excuse me?
	Wait.
	Can you repeat that part, what she told you?
	Oh my God.
	Sorry.
	I'm so nervous too.
	Literally like wiping my hands aggressively in the middle of the day.
	No, you're doing fine.
	No, it was like around 150.
	But she told me, like my friend's older sister, she was like, have sex with as many people as you can in high school because nobody has any STDs yet.
	And I just took that as law because I was hypersexual, very young.
	So, yeah.
	Nice.
	Okay, that's cool.
	That's dope.
	I guess.
	I love that for you.
	Thank you so much.
	That's great.
	It's my life.
	And you're 27 now?
	I am 27.
	Okay.
	So do the math.
	Gotcha.
	And wait, when did you join the Navy?
	I joined the Navy.
	I joined the Navy actually while I was with that first boyfriend.
	And then he actually cheated on me the first day that I went into the Navy.
	Yes!
	Oh my God.
	That's awesome.
	Wait, so you were in boot camp for six weeks.
	How many went, did it go down at boot camp?
	No, but so there's this thing in boot camp.
	I'm so sorry, guys.
	I wish I like, I hate that.
	It's like on me for this one.
	You're good.
	I, in boot camp, in Navy boot camp, you go, you cannot talk to the opposite sex.
	You can't even look at them.
	You can't look their way.
	Nothing.
	Like, you will get in trouble.
	And, but there were church services.
	And you could go.
	There was three every Sunday.
	And you could go to all of them.
	And you could sit next to the males.
	You could sit next to the boys.
	And you could, you know, kind of get away with talking to them.
	So I would make sure to go to every church service.
	And I would talk to as many boys as possible.
	And I would tell them like the wildest shit.
	And then I would just like walk away.
	But did you?
	I never hooked up with you.
	Is there any carnal knowledge?
	Did you have carnal knowledge with any of them?
	No.
	But no, but whenever I went to the airport with one of them, he was like, oh, let's go in one of the family bathrooms.
	And I want to clap those cheeks.
	So it's like, I'm good.
	Thank you.
	We're out of boot camp now.
	We don't have a trauma bond anymore.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Okay, that's cool.
	I'm done.
	I can leave now.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I was married for 11 years and I am in a relationship right now, about two and a half years.
	All right.
	And any kids?
	No.
	No kids?
	All right.
	If dogs count, that's case then.
	Yes.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	It was mutual.
	Okay.
	So who filed for the divorce?
	Technically, I guess would be him.
	Okay.
	And was there any sort of siding in the filing as to the reason for the divorce, just irreconcilable differences, or was there something else that was cited?
	He technically found somebody else.
	He technically?
	Well, okay.
	He found somebody else, yes.
	Okay.
	So was he cheating on you or had you guys already been separated at that point?
	So we were talking about separation.
	As I guess he was talking to one of the girls who he had known.
	And then as that girl kind of, she's a Russian Muslim, so you know, she has very strong traditions.
	When she told him they cannot work, that's when he kind of like, well, maybe we should be together.
	And then she introduced him to her friend, and that's when we kind of continued with the whole divorce.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And so you were married, you were together for 11 years.
	You've currently been in a relationship for two years.
	Any other long relationships?
	Are those pretty much it?
	Pretty much it.
	I had an ex-boyfriend about three or four months.
	We were good friends beforehand.
	I was single at that time about two years after the divorce.
	And we kind of, I guess, had something going on, but it didn't last too long.
	All right.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	So I've been married for 11 years now.
	Yeah.
	So you've been married since you were like 20?
	And then how long were you guys together before you were married?
	Like two months.
	Oh, so you guys got married really quick?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And let's see.
	Was that your ⁇ has that been your only relationship?
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And okay, what about you?
	I'm currently single.
	Gosh, like a year and a half.
	And none of them have ever really lasted long.
	Maybe like six, seven months.
	There was one that was like off and on for like a year or two, but like never consistent, like full.
	Yeah, it was pretty sporadic.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm married.
	Been with her for about three years, and we'll be married in three months, we'll make it a year.
	So before that, I wouldn't say any super serious relationships.
	And out of those, there was maybe one that was also maybe about three years.
	But again, it was more about fun and not a serious focus on marriage or long-term commitment.
	Okay, got it.
	Wait, did you hide the StreamYard when you did that?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you've had some other relationships, you said, but it was more, you know, promiscuous 20s.
	And then I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
	And so upon converting to Orthodoxy, took the idea of marriage and finding a long-term partner and building a family much more seriously.
	And so my wife also was Eastern Orthodox.
	And so we have a shared religious commitment and worldview.
	And the things that we both want in regards to building a family are kind of the strong bonds that brought us together.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And curious, were you, because you're like Orthodox Christian, have you always been Orthodox Christian?
	No, I converted in about 2019.
	So it's been about six years.
	It'll be six years in October being Orthodox.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And were you, prior to being Orthodox Christian, were you like Protestant or I grew up kind of a conservative Methodist Protestantism.
	And then once I got into college, got really interested in studying religion, biology, traveled to China, studied Mandarin, and was really into like New Age psychedelics, spirituality, that type of stuff.
	So really, I would say kind of psycho-naut spirituality, you know, ayahuasca, DMT, LSD, psilocybin mushrooms.
	That was kind of the spiritual du jour of the time.
	And it was until getting into my doctorate program, started looking more seriously at my worldview and what I believed.
	And that forced me to kind of reconcile some of my beliefs and eventually brought me to, again, Orthodoxy as my belief is the one true religion.
	Okay.
	And were you and your wife both virgins when you guys got married?
	No, I wasn't.
	She was.
	And so there's a 12-year difference between us.
	So you're 35 and she is 22.
	23.
	23.
	Yeah.
	And then you were, were you 32 and she was 21.
	20.
	She was already turning 21, yeah.
	She was like 20, 21.
	Okay, she'll be getting ready to turn 24.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then going to you really quick, you said you've only been in one relationship.
	Were you both virgins when you guys met?
	Well, I was, but not him.
	He's 10 years older than me.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Okay, so you're also in an age gap relationship.
	So you are 31, so he's 41?
	Yeah.
	And then you were 21 and he was 31 when you guys met?
	I was 20.
	He was 30.
	You were 20 and he was 30.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	And going back around the table, there's quite a few people here who are single.
	Is there currently a guy in the picture?
	Yeah, I would say like two guys right now are in the picture.
	Who?
	Sorry, you don't have to say who, but like when you say they're in the picture, what do you mean?
	Well, one is at my place watching my puppy.
	Thank you so much.
	And then the other one is like pretty well known and he's in a relationship right now.
	So basically the other girl.
	Wait, so you're the side piece?
	Yeah.
	And you're like, you're okay with that?
	That's the best position to be in.
	I mean, I would really love to be his wifey.
	So no, I'm not that like happy about it, but like I was there first.
	Like me and him have been like hooking up since I was 18.
	So I was literally there first, but he like a relationship.
	Is this the guy you were talking about last show?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But he's like really fucking mad at me for bringing it up.
	Wait, here, give me a bit of a timeline.
	Give me some timeline here.
	So you're currently 19.
	You met him when you were 18.
	Yeah.
	So how long have you guys, like, how long ago did you meet him?
	Last Halloween.
	October 2024?
	I believe so.
	Or 2024.
	So nine months ago, about?
	Yeah.
	Eight, nine months ago.
	Okay.
	And were you boyfriend, girlfriend, or just casual?
	Really, really weird story of like how we met.
	I don't know if you guys are familiar with Mickey Mace.
	He's like a famous gambler.
	So my best friend was like hooking up with him and he's like one of my friends and he like lets us stay at his house sometimes and he was throwing a really big Halloween party and I'm gonna say his name.
	I'm sorry.
	Young Gravy.
	He came up to me and I remember you young Gravy.
	Yeah, Matt Matthew, his real name.
	Okay.
	Rapper, rapper guy.
	Yeah, country singer slash rapper.
	He came up to me at Mickey Mace's party and he was like, You're mad pretty.
	And like, he's like seven feet tall and like really attractive in person.
	I mean, he's kind of like funny online, but he just like made me so wet when I saw him.
	How old is he?
	He's dating Ari.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Yeah.
	He's dating.
	How old is he?
	I think he's almost 30.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You know, okay.
	He's into the MILFs.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't even know that he was into MILFs until I after like we've been hooking up for a long time and then like some of my friends.
	He took some MILFs.
	Wait, but you're like, wait, he's into MILFs, but he's like, all his music is about like older women.
	It's really strange.
	And I didn't know that.
	So that's why it didn't work out?
	Well, he's with Ari now and she's, I think she's like 25 or something.
	Oh, okay.
	So, wait, hold on.
	Okay, so you've known him for eight, nine months.
	I guess when did this other woman come into the picture?
	Like four months ago, I would say they did a very hard launch on TikTok, Instagram.
	They've been going super viral.
	Four months ago.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, but what you're saying is, is there's been over, or there was overlap.
	Is that what you're saying?
	For sure.
	When's the last time you saw him?
	Last Saturday.
	Wait.
	Girl.
	We are on a podcast, babe.
	I love Ari.
	He's literally going to kill me.
	Like, literally.
	I'm so sorry.
	Name dropped on the podcast.
	I love you for that.
	Wait, wait, how old are you considering a MILF?
	Well, his music, like, if you look him up, like, all of his songs are about, like, fucking, like.
	No, yeah, I met him at AVN, but okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	It's really weird and embarrassing a little bit.
	But so when we met, he came up to me and he was like, oh, you're like the prettiest girl at the party.
	Like, I really want to get to know you.
	Like, are you down to like chat in the bathroom?
	Because it was super loud.
	And I was like pretty drunk and I thought he was super cute.
	So we went to the bathroom.
	Nothing like happened.
	We didn't like hook up, but we talked for a really long time.
	And then when I opened the door, like both of his managers were out there.
	And they basically told me that all of my stuff is like in an Uber and like ready to go to his crib and my best friend's stuff, which is really weird because we were staying at Mickey Mace's house.
	And then I guess they did like a switcheroo and then because they're neighbors.
	And then all of my suitcase was in the Uber or the personal driver.
	And my friend, too.
	And she was really upset because she loves Mickey.
	Wait, is this, and this is all like, are you saying this is like you're not making this up?
	Because remember, like last time you made something.
	Why would I think of that?
	I don't know.
	Well, okay.
	I think you mentioned something before the show about this.
	Nick, just for the audience, they probably don't know who this guy is.
	No offense to him.
	Find his Wikipedia just so we can cross-reference it, I guess.
	Poor Ari.
	Can you move us to the Ari.
	Who is Ari?
	So do you want to?
	I have a question.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Before you ask the question, I just want to go over.
	Okay, so just for the context, I guess for the panel who don't know, because we do have some boomers here, including myself.
	Millennials, okay, millennials.
	Okay, so Young Gravy, that's his Wikipedia.
	He's a rapper.
	He's like, what, 30, 29?
	And then there's like, you got, do you have his.
	You want to pull up the Instagram, I guess?
	Yeah, very good.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so we'll do that.
	And wait, so, oh, you got it?
	Okay.
	Okay, so here's his IG 2.2 million.
	Oh, wow, he's pretty popular.
	He's a rapper.
	I listen to like Cruel John.
	Oh, that's the girl, the girl he's like sitting on, or I don't know what that is.
	Wait, scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	Is there.
	Oh, wait, what?
	Oh, that's.
	Wait, click on the kissing the dude.
	Wait.
	Oh, that's the.
	How do you say BB no money dollar sign?
	I don't know.
	No moolah.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	Was he also cheating on you with a BBN note?
	And then there's like the other next.
	I think you have the next tab over, I guess.
	Oh, scroll up.
	Oh, this?
	Okay, so.
	Oh, there's the girlfriend, you're saying?
	So that's a girl.
	Yeah, she's really big on scroll down.
	Okay, so they make a bunch of reels together.
	Okay.
	So, and then, wait, so okay.
	And you're saying, I'm just confused timeline here.
	So you saw him last week, but like, is it an open, is he in an open relationship with her?
	I know.
	He said, don't say anything or he's gonna like kill me or something.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, but you knew that.
	Oh my god!
	You knew that he was with Ari because you're in the know, like you know who Ari is and she's beautiful and amazing and I obsessed.
	Can you find maybe her IG and stuff, Nick?
	And I don't know if I saw Young Gravy and he was hitting on me, I'd immediately have been hooking up with him since I was 18, so like way before they were together, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, but they are together now and like everyone loves Ari.
	Yeah, I mean she's really pretty and great content creator.
	I think she's really cool and like honestly better than me and that's why he posts her all the time.
	But she thinks I'm ugly and like a horrible person.
	Wait, are you in contact with her or what?
	Well, he sent me a screenshot of like her message when she found out I said that we were hooking up on the whatever podcast and she was like, I can't believe like you called this bitch fine like you or something and like I hate bitches like this.
	Like she was yeah pretty mean but I think she's really pretty.
	Do you have it Nick?
	You want to just pull it up?
	Okay yeah we'll take a look.
	Burnt to.
	Okay, scroll down.
	I guess okay, I think I've seen, I've seen.
	Next, I guess there's another one.
	You said damn, what the fuck she does, only she's OF okay, tab over.
	And then there's the you do you have something else?
	Oh the okay, I have a TikTok too sure yeah yeah, that's fine.
	And they like make content together yeah, a lot.
	And it's like going viral right now.
	Sure, we can pull it up, just scroll.
	Is this hers or his TikTok?
	Oh damn oh, she's got 4.5 mil on.
	Okay, they post, scroll down.
	Oh damn okay, they're posting a lot together, all right well, we get the idea.
	Okay, so that's her with the boyfriend, young gravy with the cool, like the big hair uh okay, and like, are you, Uh, like still seeing the dude, or what I don't know?
	What's the dude?
	I mean, I think he's really, really mad at me for saying this, but I hope that we can like still hook up because like you're literally the best I ever had.
	Like, he made me squirrel all over him.
	So, what the fuck?
	He's gone when you're gonna be in trouble.
	Also, is every is everyone tested?
	Um, yeah, I'm tested.
	Stop it, get some help.
	The audio sounds abnormal a little loud.
	I don't know why that is.
	Um, I'll have to take a look at it.
	Okay, um, you have it at 80 usually.
	No, I usually just have it at 100.
	Maybe something got boosted.
	Kind of weird.
	Okay.
	Uh, so um, but I mean, you're you said you're seeing two dudes, yeah.
	My um so like you can't be that mad because you're seeing another guy.
	Well, I'm not mad at all.
	I like I said, I was like aware.
	I just wish I was like his main girl because obviously they're like blowing up.
	That would be great for me.
	Um, but he just always like hid me.
	Like, we would go out together and like behind closed doors.
	I would think like I'm his girlfriend, and then he would bring me to like parties with him and like kind of pretend that I'm like, I don't know, a groupie or like some like his fan or something.
	Wait, but I mean, did there wasn't a relationship?
	Like, he didn't say that you're the girlfriend, like, he wasn't leading you on, right?
	Um, it was just very confusing for me.
	I mean, I'm like, I fall really hard easily, and I thought that he like really cared about me until like he came out with Ari and he was saying that he was like exclusive with me and like didn't tell me.
	And then I saw like them all over my phone.
	So, all right, by the way, we have some super chats coming through that are you'll have to ask your question.
	Go for it.
	So, the guy that is dog sitting right now, what is the status on him?
	Like, what's the relation?
	Is he aware of all this stuff going on and he's just like simping and expecting you that maybe you'll like like him one day?
	Or like, how's that dynamic?
	I do like him, he's very fine and cute, and like he's literally so loyal.
	Like, he doesn't follow any girls ever on Snapchat, nothing.
	I saw you click on it.
	Thank you, Kat, for the 50.
	Go ahead.
	Um, but he's like my best friend, and like he also has really good tank, too.
	And he's probably watching right now.
	He actually told me to say this about Young Gravy the first time.
	He was like, You should just say that because that's really interesting.
	So, yeah, he was aware because we were like on and off during that time, and now it's just I kind of like broke up with him, but he still like wants to be around and your dog.
	Yeah, he's in love with my puppy, so can I ask a really stupid question?
	Yeah, what's a MILF?
	Mom, I'd like to F.
	Oh, okay.
	Just like older women.
	It doesn't moment.
	I'm gonna be an older woman.
	I mean, I'm a mom.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But I think Young Gravy was talking about older women, especially.
	Wait, can I ask you a quick question?
	So, do you just like him for the fame, or do you actually like him?
	Because I know you said it would be really good for you to like blow up.
	Well, because of like how big him and Ari now, I'm like, seeing how that would have been, like, really good for my OnlyFans, you know?
	But no, at first, I really liked him and like he was so cute in person and like we just connected.
	And I don't know, I love like country guys and online he doesn't really seem that country, but he is.
	So I thought that was cute.
	I don't know.
	I have a question.
	I mean, it sounds like so they just have an open relationship because if they've been seeing each other for four months, you saw him, you said last Saturday?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't know what the details are, but.
	I don't think they have an open relationship.
	I think he's cheating and like lying to her.
	I'm really sorry, Ari.
	Is this like for Klout or something?
	Like I'm confused.
	Like I said, like my dude back home, he just said that I should say it because it's interesting.
	So partially like, yeah, it's for Klout because they're blowing up right now.
	And I have OnlyFans in it.
	That's how I make money.
	Oh, well, then how do we know this?
	I mean, that's what's happening in my life.
	I think it's interesting.
	Like everyone, all my friends know and like have been around him a bunch.
	Like he was texting my best friend and saying that if I say another word about it, that something's bad is going to happen to me and like in Charlotte, something's bad is going to happen to me and that he's going to get.
	I want hackers to delete my account if I say anything.
	Are you saying anything then, girl?
	Anyways, I think that's what I'm saying.
	We've spent enough time on it.
	Okay.
	Question though, going back to everybody's like relationship status here and stuff, what I was asking Chloe, a lot of people here are single.
	What does that actually mean though?
	Are you actually single?
	So you said you've been single for one year, but are there currently any guys in the picture?
	No, not really.
	I talk to men, but I'm not trying to date, so I'm not pursuing them any further than that.
	So I only talk or date when I'm trying to look for a relationship, and that's not currently what I want.
	I'm more focused on my career, making money, taking care of my mom, stuff like that.
	Okay.
	So there has been no guys in the picture the past year?
	There's been guys in the picture, but nothing that I'm trying to be serious with.
	And I let them know that right away.
	Not trying to hurt anyone.
	Okay.
	So you've had like some more casual encounters?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Is there like a casual thing going on right now?
	Not currently.
	Not currently.
	Too much going on in my personal life.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You said you're single, but are there any guys in the picture currently?
	No.
	None?
	Nope.
	Zero?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	I got my cats.
	Okay.
	That's all you need.
	That's all I need.
	Plus, with my profession, like I already get what I need.
	Because of the adult content, you are already.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Any guys in the picture?
	I have no guys on the roster right now.
	No guys?
	Nope.
	None.
	Not a single one.
	But you've been single for a year.
	I mean, there's not been even like a month, two months, anything.
	I mean, like, I was seeing a guy, but he didn't want anything serious, so I don't really want to waste my time on someone who doesn't want anything serious.
	I see.
	Okay.
	I have a couple guys on my roster.
	You got some.
	You got a roster?
	That's what I'm looking for.
	No roster, really?
	Well, but like, what do you kill?
	I mean, like, I don't take them seriously, but are you having carnal knowledge with them?
	P in the V. Oh, my God.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But not for work, for recreation.
	Yeah, it's usually after the scene.
	Oh, you'll like the men you work with, you'll just for funsies.
	The ones I like, yeah.
	But it's not, there's not romantic component.
	Like, you guys aren't dating romanticism.
	It's like the BFE.
	It's like the boyfriend experience where, like, you know, there's no commitment, but they give you what you need.
	You give them what they need.
	But so you do have a roster currently.
	How big is the roster?
	It's very inconsistent.
	Tell us about the inconsistent roster.
	Okay.
	Well, shout out to Donnie Sins.
	I thought you were about to say Young Gravy.
	Hey, no.
	What the fuck?
	He's not my type.
	This guy's killing everything in LA.
	Definitely not.
	God damn.
	No, but shout out to all my great friends in the industry who have participated in recreational fun after your guys, four guys.
	Probably three right now.
	Three.
	Okay.
	No guys on the roster.
	No roster.
	You said you have a roster.
	How big's the roster?
	I have two currently.
	Two currently?
	Okay.
	And I'm trying to get it to five.
	Trying to get it to five.
	Okay.
	And do the two guys do they know about each other?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, it's like, it's like I'm pretty open about it.
	Like, I'm like, hey, you know, you're for tonight.
	See you next time for the next night.
	They don't need to know more than that.
	So they.
	I mean, like, they know that I like see other people, but I'm tested constantly, and so are they.
	And are they in the industry or are they civilians?
	They're in the industry.
	Okay.
	I pick and choose them wisely on, you know, the chemistry we have on set.
	And so both of you guys, both of you are in the traditional adult industry, right?
	You guys shoot traditional content, but you also do OF2, right?
	So that's your own stuff.
	How long have you both been in the traditional adult content industry?
	Go ahead.
	Since October.
	Oh, so that's pretty new.
	Like, when's that?
	Yeah, I've shot about 70 scenes.
	70 scenes?
	Ish, yeah.
	With how many different talent?
	Well.
	Because you probably do multiple scenes with the same guy, right?
	I've, yeah, maybe like one guy, like four different scenes, like three or four different scenes, and then another guy, I think I've done like two scenes, but everyone else has been like new.
	So maybe like 50 to 60 different scene partners.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you said eight months.
	What about you?
	How long you've been in the industry?
	I've been full-time since I quit my nine-to-five in 2022.
	But I was on and off.
	I tried quitting and came back and quit and came back.
	So the money always brought me right back.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	How many scenes have you done?
	I'm over 250.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Over 250.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Like professional ones, but that's not collabs including.
	In your roster, you said you have three people on the roster.
	Are they civilians or are they fellow workers in the industry?
	Industry.
	Industry people.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you can't trust the.
	So, sorry, so you've been in it for, you said four years, five years?
	No, no, I've been full-time since 2022, but I was on and off since I was 21.
	Okay, and you're 29, so like eight years?
	Eight years, yeah.
	But you've been like more active for the past three years.
	Okay.
	And during that time, have you dated civilians or do you only pretty much date?
	No, yeah, I did date civilians.
	I was in relationships with two different people at two different times while I was also in the industry.
	And they at first were understanding, but then as time goes by, opinions change.
	They like the benefits of it in the three ways, but they don't want to face the other part.
	And it's like, well, this is how we go to Cancun.
	This is how I pay your mortgage.
	Oh, so you'd be the provider.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've always been the breadwinner in every relationship.
	Every relationship.
	Is that the case for you too?
	No.
	No.
	No, I, yeah.
	No, I've had, I don't know.
	I was raised very traditional in a two-parent home where, you know, the man makes more money than the woman.
	And that's just how I was raised.
	And that's what I believe in.
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	Like, how much do you guys make?
	Like, it's a lot.
	Like, per month or per year?
	You don't have to say, of course, but I'm just curious.
	Is it more than OnlyFans or is it less than OnlyFans?
	Well, we do.
	I mean, there's so many different platforms that we work under.
	So there's a lot of ways to make money.
	I definitely make more from doing the mainstream because then it will bring an audience to my platforms.
	And so that's why I kind of went full time with that.
	Plus, if you are a good performer, like they will just keep bringing you back.
	Yeah.
	So pretty good.
	Yeah, I'm not going to say an exact number, but I do well.
	And how much time do you spend working?
	Like maybe per week?
	Sometimes I don't work for two weeks, but like I will do four hours a day, maybe eight hours a day, depending on what I'm doing.
	Good.
	That's great.
	Cool.
	Love that for you guys.
	Thank you.
	Going to Lucy in your notes.
	You said you didn't choose this career for money.
	You had money.
	You didn't choose the career for fame.
	Fame scares you.
	You chose your current career, so the adult entertainment industry, because you're a sex addict.
	I'm so sorry to my family right now.
	Yes.
	Wait, hold on.
	You're sorry for the podcast?
	No, my family is awesome.
	If my family is watching this, I am so sorry.
	Yes.
	No, no.
	No, they're aware, but ashamed.
	Oh, there's a lot of people.
	Rightfully so.
	Yeah, what was the question?
	Sorry.
	So you said you chose the career not for money, not for fame, but because you're a sex addict.
	That is correct.
	And have you ever always been a sex addict?
	Is it something new?
	It's well, like the exhibitionist side of me has always been something from a very young age.
	Just like being watched.
	I found corn on a desktop computer that my family had where my oldest brother was watching, I guess, or something.
	I don't know.
	And I went on there, didn't even really know how to do, like, even go to Google, really, but it was just popped up and I watched hours and hours and hours of it.
	I was like eight years old.
	Yikes.
	Damn.
	And do you think that's the genesis or the of the sex addiction was discovery of this kind of young age?
	Yeah, no.
	I, yeah, I think that seeing someone being filmed in such a vulnerable state and showing like that transfer of energy of, you know, sexual energy between people, it just always really excited me.
	And yeah.
	So I'm going to answer your question.
	So it sounds like you're kind of morally, you're a bit conflicted because it sounds like you kind of appreciate the foundation that your parents offered you and your family.
	I had a great life, yeah.
	And I was curious, like, do you think that your exposure to corn at eight years old was a negative effect on you long term?
	Do you think this is what led into it?
	And I'm just curious because the way that you're framing everything, it sounds like you're like very morally conscious of what you're doing and choosing the opposite.
	I'm just curious about the dynamic that's going on inside you.
	Yeah, no, I mean, it's a constant conflict in my brain, like every single day because it's only getting, you know, I'm only gaining more and more traction, which is like really cool in the industry because everyone wants that.
	Like they all chase the clout and they all chase that.
	But every single scene that I do, I'm like, oh, this is another scene that my whole family is going to disown me over.
	Like, which, like, which scene is going to be the one that I get fully disowned?
	And I don't know why I continue to do it other than just the fact that I highly enjoy being on set and I highly enjoy what I do.
	Okay.
	And I feel good when I do it.
	But when I get off of set, I think about, you know, my parents because they raised me my whole life.
	Do you think that the exposure to corn at eight years old influenced this potential sex addiction that you have?
	1000%.
	1,000%.
	Yes.
	And do you feel like, again, content that you make, even though this is feeding some type of addiction or pleasure satisfaction, do you ever think about how that may affect other children or imagine another eight-year-old potentially stumbling upon their older brother having your content up?
	My take on that is everyone's going to stumble across it at some point.
	And that's out of my control.
	And that is just the truth, honestly.
	You are going to see something that gets your blood rushing in that way in some way or another.
	And that isn't my battle to fight.
	This is just something I choose to do.
	And if someone chooses to watch it, then someone chooses to watch it.
	But that's, you know, parents should maybe have controls on their computers, and that's not my battle to fight.
	And oh, did you have no?
	I was just like, tea, green.
	Oh, I thought, okay, I thought you wanted to come in.
	Wait, so I'm just curious on this.
	So at what age did you start having sex?
	I lost my virginity when I was 12.
	Yikes.
	Is that junior high?
	I was in middle school.
	I was playing Pokemon cards and shit.
	Fucking game.
	Pokemon red and shit.
	Pokemon blue and shit.
	Some people grow up differently.
	I was like a little skater girl back in that day.
	Was it also a 12-year-old?
	Yeah, I was like all into skateboarding because my older brothers were like all into like dirt bike and like skateboarding and just like that kind of lifestyle.
	So I got into that.
	They were a lot older than me.
	So I was like.
	Were they of legal age?
	I'm just curious.
	The first one that took your virginity?
	He was in high school.
	Okay.
	Sophomore?
	Yikes.
	Going around the table, I'm just curious.
	I guess at what age did you lose your virginity?
	17. 18.
	18.
	14. 12.
	20. 20.
	I'm not going to disclose that.
	18.
	Brian.
	17. 17.
	Yes.
	Good times.
	Good talk.
	Wait, okay, so hold on.
	We were talking about the roster.
	We kind of went down like a path there.
	But you chose the career because of your being a sex addict.
	And Question, by the time, because you said the body count when you revealed it to your boyfriend, but you felt bad about it, it was 150 and you were like 19, was it?
	Yes.
	By the time you graduated, like the day you graduated high school, what would you say your body count was then?
	It was like, that's when I, you know, racked up that many because I met my boyfriend like of that time, right after high school, like right after I got out of high school.
	So it was like I basically hit, you know, every person I could possibly get in high school.
	Wait, you hit everybody?
	Yeah, like not like hit, but like, you know, I got with, sorry.
	How big was the high school?
	Um, I think in my graduating class, it was like 2,000, 2,200.
	So pretty big.
	Oh, you're going to see it.
	Did you try to avoid like was there a rival high school that you're like, shit, I can't like, I can't.
	Oh, no, I didn't just do my school.
	Like, I went to like the district.
	School district.
	Branching out and shit.
	Okay, that's cool.
	And they can all vouch for that if you're listening.
	Wait, so on, did you walk for graduation?
	Did you do the whole gown and cap or whatever?
	No.
	Okay.
	Did you graduated or just dropped out?
	I got my GED.
	Oh, okay.
	So let's say the day you turned 18, what was your, I guess, your body count?
	By the dawn, it was like over 120 for sure.
	Like between 120 and 150.
	And I never got any STDs, so my friend's older sister was correct.
	About the sleep with the...
	Yeah, because everybody is young and less likely to have STDs.
	Did your parents realize that you were doing this?
	No, it's fine.
	My parents, I just, I don't want to get too much into them because they don't deserve.
	I chose this, not them.
	But yeah, they aren't stupid.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	We have a chat here from Eric Hart.
	He says, Willy Wonka has been with over 150 oompa loompas.
	I'm like, she's lame.
	Oh my god.
	Willy Wonka, I'll take it.
	That bob is bobbing.
	Don't play with her.
	Word.
	Sometimes I get Lord Farquad too.
	Not everyone can rock a bob.
	You're wrong.
	You're definitely hotter than that.
	Not everybody.
	She's got that face.
	Rock Vod.
	Hey, listen, I can take it and I'll dish it to what do you look like, Eric Hart?
	Oh, shit.
	All right.
	Eric Hart, thank you for the soup chat.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, Kat, for the super chat.
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	So let's see here.
	We're going, oh, single.
	Do you have any guys in the picture?
	Well, I'm in a relationship.
	Oh, wait.
	Okay, sorry.
	I got my.
	Do you have any guys in the picture?
	So I got my notes mixed up.
	Do you have any guys in the picture right now?
	Kind of.
	There's somebody that I want to be in the picture.
	But I've kind of gotten really picky right now.
	Picky.
	What do you mean by picky?
	I guess my standards have increased a lot.
	I don't really, I don't want to tolerate something, disrespect my morals.
	I want a man who loves Jesus and can lead me.
	And I want to get married.
	And I also want them to understand and respect the fact that I'm a birth mom.
	So not a lot of guys get that, I guess, at my age.
	Can you explain what you mean when you say birth mom?
	Oh, yeah.
	So a birth mom is basically a girl or woman that has gone through pregnancy, chose life, gave birth to a baby, and then placed for adoption directly to a family unit.
	And so I did that 10 and a half months ago.
	So I have a baby boy.
	Kudos.
	I said kudos.
	Thank you.
	He is beautiful, happy, and healthy.
	But yeah, I am a birth mom.
	So that's kind of what that is.
	So you placed him for adoption, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And with the adoption process, is it somebody local to you?
	Are they across the nation?
	Are you going to remain in touch?
	Or isn't this all laid out in some sort of adoption agreement or contract?
	Yeah, there's a lot of legal stuff within it.
	There's not a whole ton I can say.
	But I went through an agency, selected a family, and got to choose to place them, hand place him myself.
	But yeah, it was an interesting, hard process.
	But it did change my life in a beautiful, amazing way.
	But yeah, they're great, and he's great.
	I think I saw a TikTok you made.
	You said you did it.
	It was for the best interest of the child.
	Yeah.
	And you also said that you found yourself pregnant.
	Yeah.
	The phrasing there intrigued me.
	You found yourself pregnant.
	It wasn't planned.
	Before my pregnancy, I was not living the lifestyle I'm trying to live now.
	And yeah, I came home from work one day and I took a pregnancy test and I found out I was pregnant and I was shocked.
	It didn't sit in for a while.
	I was in denial.
	It was right before Christmas too.
	And so it was just not it.
	But yeah, I was 21 and it was terrifying.
	You said that you have many dating stories.
	You said, though, in your past, you dated drug dealers and abusive guys and guys that were just upright crazy.
	Everyone in your life makes fun of you because you really pick the craziest and worst options of men.
	Yeah.
	You wrote also that you would meet people out at clubs, at the after parties, and you'd be put in crazy situations.
	The last guy that you dated was someone that you met that you intended to be just a one-night stand, but you ended up getting pregnant.
	Wait, so question.
	Was it a one-night stand that you got pregnant?
	No, but you had like it was very short process.
	Like how long had you been seeing him even casually before you got pregnant?
	Like two weeks.
	Two weeks.
	Were you on birth control or no birth control?
	Okay.
	And he was, were y'all was he just blasting?
	Um, yeah, I, I, yeah, I don't want my family hearing that, but yeah, I mean, I'm not sure.
	So, you gotta take some precautions at least.
	I mean, I got yes, I got pregnant.
	Um, and I mean, for the longest time, I'd been kind of told that I might not be able to, so it was very random for me.
	And it wasn't something that you have like endo or something, or no, I have PCOS, okay.
	Um, but yeah, I didn't really take it like seriously, I kind of just was hanging it.
	Oh, shit, okay, so uh, and with PCOS, it can make it harder to get pregnant.
	And you thought maybe that did the doctor tell you, like, your chance of getting pregnant is low.
	Is that what he said?
	She basically just kind of said, like, um, when time comes when you want to get pregnant, like, you know, we'll just have to like watch to see when you ovulate and stuff like that because it messes up your ovulation, I think.
	Um, so like, if I was tracking it on my phone, it wouldn't be like specifically consistent.
	And you said you ended up becoming a Christian during your pregnancy, yeah, changed your heart and mindset on life entirely.
	Yeah, you were put in this difficult situation, you did place your son for adoption.
	Um, you said that you definitely struggle with finding men to date because most are looking for something easy, you don't live that type of lifestyle anymore.
	You've changed your perspective on life, becoming a Christian and trying to find someone to marry and have a family with.
	What denomination of Christian are you?
	Non-denominational.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And so, are you waiting for marriage before you get frisky with anybody else, or what's your position on that?
	Yeah, I mean, I would like to.
	Obviously, once you have sex, it's really hard to not.
	And so, you know, that's why I want to find somebody that can stay true to who they are and what they believe, and that can lead me.
	And so, I'm not feeling like I'm constantly having to say no or push something.
	Like, I want a guy that can lead that strong and well, and I believe that the right one for me will never put me in that predicament.
	But, yeah, I mean, I would like to.
	I mean, I truly think that I want my heart to be pure and my intentions.
	Um, and I think that goes a lot further than just not being intimate with somebody.
	So, it's like you're dead set on that, or what?
	Yeah, okay, gotcha.
	But it sounds like you found it hard to navigate that as it relates to dating because maybe men hear about your past experience or you relate to some degree about your past experience.
	You had a son, um, and they're like, I don't know, you know, yeah, no, I mean, it's definitely one of the things that is always a hard topic on a first date.
	Um, most people that I have shared it with when I go out with them take it really well, or they don't understand and they kind of think it's like not a big deal.
	I think that's like the one thing that like bothers me the most, and it's like aggravating when people treat it like it's nothing.
	Um, you know, it's a child, it was a human being that grew in my body for 10 months, and you know, placing him was not easy.
	Or like when people say, Oh, you just gave him away, I don't like that either.
	Um, it's placing, and um, yeah, most guys like either take it really well and they're very respectful about it, or it's the complete opposite.
	And then I don't give anybody the time of day after that.
	So, all right, oh, go ahead.
	Was just going to say because it will forever be a part of my life.
	And so I need somebody that's going to honor, respect that, and you know, love my son, even if they don't ever meet him.
	You also said that you wanted to talk about purity and redemption.
	You used to think purity was a status you either had or lost, but now you know it's a daily decision to honor God with your heart, body, and boundaries, and that his grace is big enough to redeem any past.
	Do you categorize yourself as a born-again virgin?
	No.
	No.
	I don't really think that's a thing.
	Okay.
	I mean, because I do believe I'm born again into salvation and that, you know, my old past has died with the past, and I'm living my new life now, honoring the Lord and walking in obedience.
	I think purity in that standpoint is intentions behind anything I say, anything I do, how a relationship is, friendship-wise, family, a serious relationship with a man that I would want to marry.
	I think it's also internally, like, I want to be pure to God.
	I mean, in the Bible, it says, blessed are pure in heart, for they will see God.
	And like that, I want that.
	And I don't want to have to take account one day from my life and say that I didn't uphold and honor that, even though it is hard.
	And, you know, I will never be perfect in that department, but I will always do my best to walk in obedience with that.
	And do you, oh, go ahead.
	I was going to say, does that include like this new journey with Christ?
	Are you going to be voluntarily celibate until marriage?
	I mean, I'm just curious about the degree to which you are approaching relationships in this new light of Christianity and trying to find a man.
	Obviously, talking about your story, that's a you know a difficult conversation that you've been having with people.
	But I was just curious about sexual relationships.
	Again, trying to find a man that's willing to commit and be that leader and provider that's Christ-centered.
	Is that also include like being voluntarily celibate and making somebody wait?
	Yeah.
	You know, that's ideally what I would want.
	I would want someone too that at least has somewhat of the same mindset in that way because I also believe that nobody is ever going to change for someone else.
	If they don't do it for God or themselves, what makes me think that they're going to do it for me?
	So that would never be something that I would want to pressure or push onto somebody because it wouldn't last.
	And I would want them to honor that with their own heart and mind without somebody having to tell them to.
	Would you feel it would be unfair if a guy who perhaps was initially interested in you, but he heard about some of your past, let's say it's a Christian guy, and he determined because of your past, he didn't want to date you.
	Let's assume he wasn't rude about it or anything.
	But would you think that this is unfair?
	Would you take issue with that in any sort of way?
	I guess it would depend on the situation of what would bother him.
	I think that everyone has the right to say no and reject somebody.
	Within, I guess, a Christian's perspective, I don't believe we should judge people for their lives or their past.
	You know, why I'm not going to be the first to throw a stone when I know I've done the same thing.
	So I don't know.
	I just, I think if a guy were to say that, that is his right, his opinion to do that.
	And that also just shows that he wasn't the one for me.
	But I don't, it wouldn't bother me because, I mean, I would also consider things about somebody else's past as well.
	But I also do know that because I'm walking in a new path, that life doesn't define me.
	It doesn't own me and it has no control over who I am and whose I am.
	And so, you know, if he is looking at me for that, then I would maybe question, you know, his relationship with God.
	Well, I have a, I'm not an expert on Christianity, but we do have an expert somewhat in PhD, religious studies.
	So question for you, Patrick.
	So my understanding is whether it's like a past of promiscuity or, you know, we have some OnlyFans people here, if they were involved in sex work or, you know, whatever it may be, anybody can be saved by Christ is my understanding.
	But men do not need to then disregard women's individual baggage and marry them.
	And these two things are compatible under the Christian faith.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, I would agree with that.
	I mean, the church, we don't, it's a hospital for souls.
	So it's not like we reject sinners.
	Everybody can be saved and everybody can bring the baggage.
	The point is to pick up your cross and follow Christ and try to get rid of that baggage and become more like Christ.
	But in regards to things that we do before we kind of make that transition or try to live our lives in that light, it all has consequences.
	And I think that that's the delineation here is that there's consequences to our actions, but it's not that you can't be forgiven or be the ideal person that you choose to be in the future.
	And I think that delineation can be difficult to talk with people about because, you know, if you are a man of high status and you have good values and you're ready to get married, I mean, it's important, like choices that people make and the consequences that come with that are important because you're sharing a life together.
	And so obviously regarding OnlyFans and all this different stuff, I mean, one of the things that I was very conscious of is some of the work that's been done on how many sexual partners and the pair bonding and how that breaks down after six.
	And I think that's a really big deal if you're trying to find somebody to have a long-term relationship with and a life with.
	Doesn't mean that that is a marker in which you have to reject all people, you know, and be very rigid.
	But it's a real conversation.
	And I think that's difficult to have with people is like, hey, I know that maybe the man that you're looking for has the qualities you're looking for, but also there's a conversation here and him trying to live his life the best way means that he should have some say in the type of people that he chooses and who he's going to build his life with and who's going to be a great mother and steer his household.
	May I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	Do you know who Nala Fitness is?
	Yes, I do.
	So I'm like from the same agency as her and I have the same manager as her.
	Like what do you think about her?
	Because I mean, I would like to do that one day, like transition out of OnlyFans and get married.
	Like what are your thoughts on her situation?
	My thoughts on Nala is I think it's great that, again, she claims that she found Christ and she's turning over a new leaf.
	I don't think she should be in a position talking about theology.
	So if I, in my opinion, if you did have a promiscuous past, you're doing, you know, adult content, OnlyFans, this type of thing, and then you've turned over this new leaf and three months later you're lecturing people about what Christ means or what the Christian church teaches.
	Again, she's kind of Protestant, so we have differences.
	I'm Eastern Orthodox, but still, if somebody's truly repentful, I think it'd be appropriate to kind of step out of the limelight for a few years and actually try to live that life.
	Instead, some of the content that I've seen is she's like doing trad cooking videos, you know, and then she also has her tits pushed up and she's licking the spoon in a very sexual manner.
	And so, is that somebody that's truly repentful, or is that somebody that decided, yeah, maybe that lane isn't what I want, but I still want all the attention, I still want all the gratification of young men simping for me and tell me how beautiful I am.
	And now I'm just a trad wife.
	And look, I'm a non-denominational Christian, and I can kind of form my own theology and what the Bible means.
	So, in my opinion, I think it's again, if it's a sincere repentance and a transition, good for her.
	I think that's great.
	At the same time, she is not in a position to be lecturing people or doing online content telling people about Christian theology and why we can't criticize or be upset that she's doing certain things, even though she's turned a new leaf over.
	A lot of people I've been seeing that are like very Christian and stuff are saying that she should like donate her money because she made, I believe, like $18 million on OnlyFans.
	And what do you think about that?
	Like keeping the money or giving it away?
	I mean, if that would have to be, again, I would advise her if she actually had a spiritual father.
	I mean, if she was Orthodox, she would have a priest, she'd have somebody that would know her background story, the intricacies of her life, and they could actually give her advice on what would be spiritually beneficial for her.
	Again, I'm not a priest.
	That may be the recommendation: saying, Look, you have all this money, you made it in a way that was very sinful, and you're very conscious of that now.
	Could you do something beneficial with that?
	Or, you know, she claims that she lost a lot of it through taxes and all this different stuff.
	So, I don't know her financial situation.
	I don't know what would be most beneficial for her soul and her spiritual state, but I would imagine that figuring out how to use that money in an appropriate way that reflects this new lifestyle that she claims to be living.
	Yeah, I think that would probably be the more ideal version to go.
	All right, can I say something?
	So, I actually met her yesterday, really, and she was amazing.
	And I do understand your point of like theologically talking about it or putting it out there, but I also do take the standpoint of in the Bible, Jesus's last thing here on earth was like sending out go tell everyone in the Great Commission.
	And, like, no matter if she's this amazing person, bad person, we all fall short no matter what.
	And so, I'm not going to go judge her for what she's been through but wants to walk now in a new life when I know that I've messed up every day too.
	And, you know, I think what she is doing because God blessed her with the platform, you know, she went through all of this for a purpose, for a reason, and now she has the ability to speak truth.
	And whoever's seeing it, listening to it, watching it, you know, no matter where her heart is on that inside of her, the message of the gospel and Jesus is still being received out of it.
	And I think that's a good thing.
	Do you think Jesus would appreciate her doing sexually content with her trad cooking videos?
	No.
	So, again, that's my point: there's still a lot of baggage there.
	And I think for, and this is generally speaking regarding the attention economy that we live in with social media, is that attention is currency.
	In fact, it's almost more powerful than the actual dollar.
	How much attention can you garner?
	Because you can always turn that attention into actual money.
	And so, for women, this is what, you know, so many guys have come on here on this whatever podcast and talked about how this is like deforming the dating and sexual dynamics between men and women because women can get so much attention and gratification online through social media posts.
	So, if that is the new version of her, well, why don't you just kind of step out of the limelight?
	And wouldn't that actually encourage more people?
	And maybe she made a video every once in a while talking about, hey, I'm happily married.
	Hey, now I found a man that actually supports me.
	Look, this is what I'm doing.
	This is where I'm at my journey.
	Okay, great.
	But still constantly feeding the attention economy now in a new grift in a way.
	Again, I don't know her heart.
	And God bless her and her husband.
	I'm not here to condemn anybody.
	Have you met her?
	No, I've never met her.
	Well, I mean, her heart was pure in this.
	I mean, I was watching her speak truth to other young women.
	But she did come on here with Andrew Wilson and denied the Trinity.
	And so that's my point in regards to just set it out for a little bit.
	Like, why don't you actually adopt the lifestyle and the worldview and get comfortable and learn what it is that you're actually participating in before you come on the whatever podcast as a born-again Christian and like make like obvious elementary mistakes on what it is that we believe and who are we worshiping?
	I can understand that.
	Do you think that's a problem that she doesn't know everything even though she's beginning to start?
	Like maybe she really changed her mind in her mindset and she's trying to do that to other women.
	And she might not be as educated as you because you took your whole life to do that.
	So what's your like actual problem with her saying something while she's not fully educated in the matter matter right then?
	It's not about she doesn't need a PhD or a doctorate degree in theology.
	My only point is just set it out for a little bit.
	Like why don't you just give it a break for a couple years?
	So she's like proving that she's really that's my only thing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	It's not saying, and she could come back and she could still not be super well educated, me talking more from a testimonial, you know, personal perspective, subjective experience.
	That is fine.
	She doesn't need to know, but it's like to just make this quick transition and still be engaged with all the attention and garnering attention from young men.
	I mean, just go look at the comments on some of these videos.
	I mean, clearly the young men are seeing what I'm seeing, the ones that are simping for it and like interested in, you know, online women kind of presenting themselves in sexual ways.
	So all I'm saying is she may have a wonderful heart.
	I've never met her personally.
	My only thing is, well, why don't you just give it a break instead of going on Michael Knowles and doing all these podcasts to like glorify?
	Look at me, I'm the archetype of the transitionary figure from OnlyFans to Christianity.
	It's like, okay, great.
	Why don't you just live that life for a little bit?
	But isn't it a good thing that she's like, you know, educating girls that might be in the same situation?
	Like, for me, it was like a really big eye-opener.
	And if she did what you were saying and like taking a couple of years off, like, I wouldn't really think that that would be even possible for like someone like me.
	And we're like, we were, I mean, she was in a very similar situation as me.
	So for me, it was like eye-opening.
	But she could tell everybody she's quitting OnlyFans and becoming a Christian.
	Like, she could let the whole world know what it is she's doing and the journey that she's going on without still being trying to be some type of public figure now in a new context.
	That's my only, that's my criticism here: is that it's again, I'm not criticizing her body of knowledge.
	I'm not, it's the idea is that she makes this huge transition and then she's lecturing people about it.
	And it's still, you look at some of the content, some of these cooking videos, it's like, maybe it's better than the content she was making before, but is this truly what Jesus Christ wants her to do with her life?
	Is this truly the emblematic of a Christian traditional woman?
	She's spreading the word of Christ through her huge platform.
	So he would want that, right?
	I would think that he would prefer her to live the lifestyle and spread the gospel.
	Go ahead.
	So you have a problem with her being a public figure in general, or you have a problem with the kind of content she's creating.
	My problem is just that she is presenting herself as a voice of Christianity and she's very new to this.
	But like if she's making cooking videos, you know.
	But again, have you seen the cooking videos?
	I think I saw them.
	Yeah, so she has her tits out, things on top, and then she's like licking the spoon while looking at the camera.
	I mean, is this, is this, this isn't like traditional trad.
	Like, I have buddies that have wives that are very traditional, and they have very large online followings.
	They are totally covered up.
	The content is not about them.
	It's about the cooking.
	It's about how we make sourdough bread.
	It's about the things that they're doing.
	Her content is still about her.
	I think the camera's focused on her.
	Like, sexualize her without her meaning to do that to herself.
	I mean, she's really pretty.
	And I think she has a lot of fans that knew her before.
	And maybe they just, the comments that you're seeing is like guys sexualizing her when she's really not meaning to and like meaning to be modest.
	Well, the super chat right there says, again, Rachel Wilson says that she's now selling theology courses, which gets to my point.
	Okay.
	Like she, again, now she's making money off teaching.
	And again, and if she was true to scripture, I mean, what does St. Paul say about the role of women in regards to teaching people about the faith?
	Not that they can't evangelize.
	Women have been incredible at that throughout history.
	But being a sort of authoritative figure on theology around the church, I mean, it's right there in the epistle.
	So that's just not, that's what I'm saying.
	It's just, it feels like it's not a full transition.
	Maybe it's a journey for her and is totally sincere and she's on this journey.
	But just why don't you just take it a couple years off?
	I mean, is that really like, is this like a controversial take for me to say, like, if this is really true repentance, just step back a bit.
	I mean, not really, you're very well spoken and obviously educated.
	So I just wanted to know like what you thought about it.
	No, it was a good question.
	It's not a crazy view.
	It's more like I feel like as a woman doing it, like that's, and she did do sex work, so that's why she's viewed still in a sexual manner.
	And even if she fully believes that that's not herself, I feel like she can never get away with that, and that's unfortunate.
	But I feel like that's why I was asking that question, because if it was a man doing it, you know, he doesn't have boobs to show.
	And, you know, I mean, maybe she's an outfit that shows that, but is that her intent?
	Or is that what you're, you know, seeing from that video?
	That's what I'm seeing.
	And that's what I'm, I just observe as a third party.
	Look at the comments.
	I mean, look at what the guys are saying that are watching it.
	I'm not able to get away from that.
	And that's what's sad.
	But she could, she could cover herself up.
	I mean, like, again, like lowering the sweater and then making sure your tits are pushed.
	I mean, you could obviously not do that.
	And again, you can make the content about the thing you're doing.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, okay, hold on here.
	No matter what somebody's wearing, men are always going to find a way to sexualize.
	I'm not saying all men, but they can.
	They have the ability to, and they certainly do.
	Our industry wouldn't exist if they weren't paying for it.
	Right.
	So clearly there's a demand and they want it.
	Right.
	But not only that, you know, kids, women who have been victims of stuff that I don't want to say out loud and all that.
	It didn't matter what they were wearing.
	And there's been several displays out in Europe and in the U.S. showing like of all ages of all sorts of outfits.
	I mean, I'm not defending her, but I'm saying no matter what somebody wears.
	Is that the rule or the exception to the rule?
	What do you mean?
	Are those unique circumstances?
	Or is that every man?
	Like that's the general rule for men?
	Or are you highlighting exceptions to the rule that actually are important to be discussed and things that we need to be critical of as a culture?
	Here's the thing.
	Everyone is different.
	You can't generalize because that's one of the seven fallacies.
	It's a hasty generalization.
	You cannot.
	It depends on what you're talking about.
	But when you're having a general conversation about dating, you do make generalizations.
	And that's important for you.
	97% of all, you know, SA happenings, the perpetrator is a man.
	I dispute this claim.
	Look it up.
	I dispute this.
	Well, here's the interesting thing that you're conveniently ignoring.
	So, for example, in many jurisdictions, the crime of grape categorically cannot be applied to women.
	For example, or they'll say men cannot be victims of this crime.
	They can be victims of other forms of essay, but this specific thing, and it's this very disingenuous thing that typically feminists do, where they say, well, 99% of grapists are men.
	Well, if the definition itself is people who offended children.
	Well, actually, just to be, I think the rate, if you look at, for example, female teachers, the rate of them essaying their students is exceptionally high.
	I mean, look, and then additionally, the incidence of moving off of SA to just general violence, mothers are much more likely to unalive their children than fathers are to unalive their children.
	It's called infanticide.
	Women are far more likely to commit infanticide.
	Right, but more than 50% of all girls who have been assaulted, it's by a family member, usually, and it's usually the father or the mother.
	I mean, I'm happy to engage with you on your point.
	But I think you're kind of, this is a bit of a red herring.
	He's talking about under the purview of Christianity, there's a component of modesty that should be observed.
	We're not, he's not, as far as I understand, making some sort of argument that, well, because you're trying to say, well, even if women dress modestly, they get graped.
	Yes.
	I don't think we even dispute that.
	He's just saying, under the purview of Christianity, Nala's out here being a strumpet, a strumpet, and that's not, that is not commensurate with the Christian faith.
	Right.
	But one of his main points was: look at the comments, look at the comments.
	And it doesn't matter what the comments say because there's men putting comments on children's stuff too.
	So it doesn't matter what the comments say because those are all opinions.
	If she's going to church and then they give her that feedback or she's got a community of believers and they're giving her that feedback and she's still not following, obviously that's on her.
	But I'm just saying for you to give men in the comments more validation than my point regarding the comments is the way that people are receiving it.
	So I'm not judging her based on what men are saying.
	My point is look at how people are receiving the content.
	And then content, it has her licking spoons, her tits out, like doing things that are very sexual.
	Yes, she's baking something.
	But again, if you just compare it to other traditional wife, like Instagram accounts, the camera is focused on the things.
	And sometimes you'll see their face or they're explaining something, but usually they have a long dress on, they're covered up.
	And so the content is about the actual stuff.
	Her content is really about her.
	And that's what my point is in regards to, hey, just step out for a second.
	Just like take all, get out of the attention economy.
	That is so consuming.
	And again, I mean, we've talked about OnlyFans, like the industry, like that is a thing that actually draws women in is that you can get so much attention.
	In a sense, that is power and that is a currency.
	And that's all I'm saying.
	It's just take if you're in that industry and you're trying to now change a new leaf, like why don't you do that just for a little bit so people can see the whole sincerity of it.
	But I just don't think like the feedback from these men in the comments, especially online, when it's easier to be a bully online, should be where you determine whether or not she's wrong or right.
	I mean, my point is layer simping for her.
	So they're making sexual comments about what she's doing.
	So they're interpreting it as very sexual.
	My point is, my point is, it doesn't matter.
	I'm not judging her based on what they're saying.
	My point is, look, here's content.
	Here's the audience.
	I'm just observing how it's being received.
	So it's specific to both variables.
	Yes, that's, yeah.
	And I'm not blame.
	I'm not saying, oh, we need to look at all the young men comments, the simpy fans, and then judge her based on what they're saying.
	No, no, no, I'm saying, okay, here's the content.
	I'm aware of her context and her transition.
	Okay, interesting.
	Now let's just look at how it's received.
	And you look at some of the way it's being received.
	They're receiving it as very sexual.
	Right.
	Right.
	Okay.
	We have some chats here coming through.
	We have creamy.
	What the fuck is this name?
	Creamy Seagull.
	God man.
	Creamy Seagull Delicious.
	I don't know.
	That shouldn't be a TTS, my mistake.
	Conservative/slash family-oriented kind of Kelowna girl or spends too much time at Liquid Zoo kind.
	If it's the former, let me know if we can grab a drink sometime.
	I'll DM you.
	Solid 5.5 here.
	What the fuck?
	Waste of $100.
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	Sorry, that should have came in through as a read.
	That was just a setting.
	Those unchanged.
	So, Creamy, God, that's a weird.
	You gotta change your name.
	I charge a simp tax.
	If you are simping on any panelists, you have to send in another message.
	Same for you, you have to send another 100.
	And you must, I guess you got to apologize to me, to the men in the studio, and then just to the world in general for your simpery.
	Okay, thank you for that, though.
	Appreciate it.
	All right, let's see here.
	And if you guys do want to get a message in, $100 read, TTS is $200.
	We're going to go through the rest of the notes here.
	We have going back to Lucy.
	Lucy Goosey, my favorite.
	I actually say that as a joke on set.
	Lucy Goosey.
	I like Lucy Goosey.
	It's a joke.
	I love it.
	So you said you were on a date with a guy, and the guy you slept with the night before came up and told him to have fun.
	You know what?
	You just say it.
	You really want me to?
	Yeah, you can say it.
	Okay.
	I was on a date with someone before I started in this industry.
	I was probably like 22, 21, 22.
	And this other guy that I had, you know, slept with, he came up to the other guy and was like, he was like, have fun tasting my nut.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	I guess I had seen that other guy like a few times and he really liked me.
	So I think that he, yeah, I think that he just was upset to see me on a date with someone else.
	Has that happened before?
	Or is that a first?
	No, that was a first time.
	Okay.
	For that instance, yeah.
	You also wrote people date in the adult industry way more than they do outside of the industry, which is interesting to you.
	I think we, well, we didn't really talk about that, but you said you agree with a lot of the points that Brian makes.
	You're just contradictory towards yourself being in the adult entertainment industry.
	I feel like we covered that kind of, you know, like me being like in a battle in my head.
	You said you'd love to talk about gender roles and being raised traditional, but still choosing to do the career.
	So when you say you were raised traditional, like, are both your parents still together?
	30 plus years.
	Okay, and they're married or yes.
	Okay.
	And are religious, Christian, or?
	My dad was raised Catholic, and my mom was like, I think she's like in Catholicism, but yeah.
	And then they decided to break away from the Catholic world, but they still held on to like Catholic morals.
	So I still had like the roots of Catholicism, so to speak, just not the religious aspect of it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then you wrote, as far as modern dating goes, part of the reason you decided to get involved in the industry was because you were tired.
	You were tired of dating and not getting satisfied in the bedroom, yet every guy you've been with felt it was cool to film you during carnal knowledge.
	So, okay, you got into the industry.
	I guess one of the other reasons you got into the industry is because all the guys prior to it were, or maybe most of them were bad and bad, basically.
	No, I just, I, I don't know.
	I had dating now, I feel like outside of corn, like outside of even like, you know, OF or adult entertainment, I just feel like it's like really shitty nowadays, like just dating in general, like on both ends for the guys and the girls.
	And that, I feel like, I feel like everyone can agree with that.
	What do you think has contributed to that?
	I think, honestly, I don't know.
	Like, it's just this day and age.
	A lot of girls, and I'm not just saying just girls, but girls, I mean, the sex industry is like rising and rising by number.
	And a lot of girls are making a lot more money.
	Like, I'm not saying that guys make more or girls make more money than guys right now, but a lot of girls are growing to make more money than like the typical guy nowadays.
	And like, I feel like it's, I don't know, guys, I feel like are not stepping up to the plate as men.
	And I feel like girls are starting to become men.
	What are men not stepping up to the plate?
	What does that mean?
	Does that make sense?
	I don't know.
	Does that mean they're not making enough money?
	What does it mean they're not stepping up to the plate?
	Like, oh my God, I feel like I'm going to get so much like hate for this.
	Please don't hate me.
	No, I feel like guys have taken a step down because girls have taken an alpha step up, if that makes sense.
	And I don't mean that like offensively.
	I just mean that like I've seen a shift.
	Like women have really like made a stance to like, you know, like we've pushed, like as women, like we've pushed hard to become, you know, equal and just be seen as equal and just like financially equal.
	And I feel like we've pushed past that threshold and now we're like alphas in a sense.
	Not fully, but yeah.
	And I feel like men have like kind of just, yeah.
	Do you think that that dynamic actually like they bring each other together?
	Do you think the alpha men out there are dealing with alpha women?
	Or do you think they're finding traditional women that actually are submissive and want the same things in regards to traditional world?
	I mean, I think that still happens.
	So, so I just feel like it's the percentage of that has dropped like tremendously.
	Yeah.
	Do you think religion and tradition has anything to do with that?
	I mean, like, what is.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I feel like tradition has died over the years for the better and for worse.
	And the normalization of sex work is one of the things that is sort of deleterious to our culture.
	And to, you know, again, young men that become addicted to masturbating and doing the watching the stuff online, I mean, they're naturally going to become more simpy and more beta because their highest goal is sexual gratification.
	And so they're going to be more submissive to a woman if that opportunity means that they can have sexual gratification.
	1,000%.
	Yeah, no, I mean, I just see the shift and I know the shift.
	So going back to what you said before, like as far as dating goes, like I wasn't getting satisfied by men, you know, emotionally or physically anymore outside of the industry.
	And I was like, I'm tired of, you know.
	Hoping that I get that spark when I go meet up with a guy, rather than just like getting booked with a really hot guy and like possibly having that chemistry and possibly, like we're both in the industry, both get each other and we both, you know, like can grow something together or not.
	Like sorry, you had you had something.
	You were raising your hand because I think a lot of the the can you just like straighten your mic a little bit, so it's just like kind of facing.
	Yeah, I feel like a lot of the fault is is trying to be placed on the women who are in the industry, and obviously they are accountable for their own actions, but why aren't the men accountable for theirs?
	Why are you paying for that content?
	Why are you supporting those sites?
	Why aren't you going after the companies?
	Because we're employees?
	That'd be like you getting mad at Amazon employees for what Amazon's doing.
	Well, hold on with your OF.
	You guys are independent contractors yeah right, but you're not employees of.
	No no no, but still, we don't own only fans.
	But again, they take a 30% cut.
	So it's not like yeah.
	So it's not like we didn't create our own website.
	I mean yeah, there's some women who do that and that's fine.
	Again, take accountability for your own actions.
	But the HUB and all those other sites who are they owned by?
	I mean I agree with you that men shouldn't be consuming this content absolutely.
	They shouldn't be following a bunch of thoughts on Instagram.
	They shouldn't be liking their photos.
	They should.
	They shouldn't follow any, any woman on Instagram, no offense, or?
	I mean I agree yeah, these guys, because they're simp and they.
	They should not be following random chicks thirsting over them.
	Please do, please continue.
	Well, you guys want men to keep doing that, but I don't care and that I know it won't stop.
	It's like a chicken and the egg because, I mean, I agree with you, it's like men have to stop consuming this content and men have to actually like, have orientation and direction in their lives so that a woman that they meet when it's the right one will be submissive to where they're going and what they're building in their lives, so that they can help them at the same time.
	The chicken and the egg is.
	We just talked about the erosion of tradition, the erosion of religion and how sex work in general is part of that hamster wheel, and so it's like, yeah, I totally agree with you.
	Men are at fault.
	They should need to stop stimping, they shouldn't be paying for all this stuff online and giving women this ability and these platforms and, at the same time, choosing to do it because of the opportunity.
	It's just like this cyclical feedback loop that feeds on each other.
	Right but it we wouldn't have jobs unless the demand was there.
	So if that's cut, we won't have jobs and we won't exist anymore.
	It has to start the source.
	We're not the source.
	I mean The MENU.
	It sounds like they don't have agency.
	I wouldn't place the blame fully on one or the other.
	It's not on one or the other, but I'm saying men shouldn't be the consumers of it are men.
	The owners of these companies are men.
	Yeah, why are these ones who are paying for our salaries are men?
	So, where's their accountability?
	Where's their values that you're talking about?
	We both recognize that men consume this content.
	We're saying that they shouldn't, but there is a shared culpability and blame that exists both on the men consuming it, but also on the people producing it.
	But all the action and blame towards women, I don't see any of those same actions or effort towards stopping men.
	There's a massive effort to stop men from consuming adult content.
	I mean, the entire, whether you're Judaism or Islam or Christianity, my understanding with all these religions, there's a big push against consuming this sort of content.
	But outside of even religion, you have like there's apps that are trying to get people to quit.
	And there's like even secular components of people saying, hey, this content's not good for you.
	Even if you're not looking at it from a religious perspective, there's definitely people out there who are advocating this is just blanketly, whether you're religious or not.
	It's unhealthy for your relationships as a man to be consuming this content.
	It's going to impact your libido.
	It's going to impact your sex life.
	It's just going to impact your general relationship with your girlfriend or wife.
	And so I think there's a whole bunch of angles that are coming in and saying, I think women themselves on the individual relationship level, I think most women's stated preferences is strongly against having a partner that watches or consumes this sort of adult content.
	So I think there's a whole bunch of angles that are actually tackling the male component of this.
	Right.
	But I think it should be both.
	And if the efforts aren't working to stop the men, then again, it goes back to stopping the companies because either way, we're just employees or people working to make the content that's in demand by these companies.
	Well, I make online content.
	Vast majority of my audience are young men, typically under the age of 40, mostly in late teens, mid-20s.
	And so I'm constantly criticizing and putting more and more onus on them to stop.
	So my community, my audience, and the Orthodox Church in general is seeing a massive increase of young men converting to the church.
	This is all tied with the priest trying to rid them of these problems so that they can actually be truly masculine men that are marriageable.
	And so there are major cultural phenomenons right now that are happening where people are becoming more conscious of this, and young men are trying to break free of it because they're realizing that the lust, the sexual imagery, all the sexualization of our culture that's constantly around us is that they can't turn it off.
	And once you get trapped in that feedback loop, again, of like constantly lusting and watching pornography and masturbating, they become very weak.
	And so I agree with you, but there are many people, myself included.
	I mean, this is what this podcast does: try to wake men up and criticize the simpy men that are contributing to it to shame them in a way.
	We need to bring back shame.
	We need cultural shame again.
	Do you think that's we need to shame these men?
	Men should never simp ever.
	We need to over-correct, in fact.
	You know what?
	We got to over-correct these men.
	Honestly, I think for at least a period of 50 years, maybe a century, I think, you know, don't even pay for dates.
	Don't even pay for dates.
	You've never simped over a girl ever?
	Oh, sure.
	I've probably simped.
	Okay, so why are we long time ago?
	Why do we need to end simping?
	I think it's like a good thing.
	Like, I feel like it's a good idea.
	I mean, I'm exaggerating.
	No, like, I think there's levels of everything, right?
	Like, being a simp, there could be an extreme level being a simp, right?
	But I feel like even the porn, the corn thing, like, you were saying, let me think about my thoughts before I go off.
	But why do you think it's a bad thing to be a simp?
	Like, why do you think that?
	Well, I think the whole simp thing is you basically have these guys doing way too much, being way too extra for women who are like vaguely interested or not even interested at all.
	I think it's fine to be a provider for a woman when there's like some degree of established relationship, but you'll have guys who are simping over women who like those men are invisible to that woman.
	And the other thing is, like if a woman is sexually involved with another man, I know a lot of people move this way, maybe at this table, I don't know.
	But like you can't be doing the traditional thing or simping for a girl who, like in your case, you said you were out at a club or something and you were on a date with a guy and the guy who you fucked a different guy who you fucked the night before, he walked over.
	I don't know if he said it to you or the dude and he said something about like, enjoy my seed inside your girl.
	I'm sorry.
	We can't be simping for women who are sexually involved with other men.
	I think, but my other baseline, my other threshold is you can't be simping for a girl who's even romantically involved with another guy.
	My rule is if a girl wants to deal with me, there can't be other dudes in the picture.
	She has to give me her undivided romantic and sexual attention as quickly as possible.
	And we know that.
	Well, if she's involved, just to be clear, if she's even sexually involved with another dude, I don't want anything with her.
	Why are you laughing?
	Chill out, Chloe.
	Damn, she's chill out.
	Why are you sitting like that?
	That shit's crazy, son.
	Chill out, Chloe.
	So anyways, hold on.
	But anyways, chill out, Chloe.
	So anyways.
	He's simping right now.
	I'm just saying, a lot of women, they're dealing with multiple dudes.
	You can't be doing anything with a girl.
	You can't even hold a girl's hand if she's dealing with another dude.
	Guys are dealing with a bunch of women.
	I was about to say, are you kidding?
	Both ways.
	I was raised a certain way, right?
	And this is like my brain.
	My brain is, you know, traditioned to like, or whatever, conditioned to believe a certain thing, right?
	But I'm trying to break away from that because it's, it's does, it's not making sense in today's age, right?
	Like, girls don't get out of high school and be like, oh, like, oh, you can join college, you can go in the military, or like, you can go do corn, right?
	Like, no one says that.
	Like, no one says, like, go, oh, yeah, you could go do Olyvans.
	Girls, literally, like, like, stripping.
	I don't know if I can, can I say that?
	Sorry.
	Like, girls don't even do that anymore.
	It's like just immediately to OF.
	And like, do I 100% agree with that?
	No.
	But at the same time, like, it's making us a lot of money.
	And how are we making that money?
	The men.
	Like, that, and the women.
	Everyone, all the consumers.
	And they're all buying that.
	So guys have a bunch of girls and girls have a bunch of guys.
	And this is just a lying age.
	And that's what we're doing.
	We're all lying.
	We have to reject that shit.
	We have to embrace masculinity and reject modernity.
	We have to reject that categorically.
	Promiscuity in men and women is bad.
	We need a return to masculinity.
	We need a return to femininity.
	And we're not going to have that when people are fucking a bunch of people.
	Look, I'm saying this.
	If I'm going on a date with a girl and she's dating three other dudes, it's a wrap.
	I don't want anything to do with her.
	So when it comes to simping, right, again, I think you should be head over heels for your girl.
	But you can't be head over heels for some girl who's texting 20 other dudes and who's fucking three other dudes.
	If you're going to be, you know, have that love for a girl, or if you're going to be providing or you're going to be protecting, it has to be your girl exclusively.
	You can't deal with some chick who's fucking another dude.
	Point blank, period.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I did hear the word masculinity from both of you, like when we're talking about this topic.
	Like, do you think the masculines, like, them being, like, overly sexual or overly, you know, simping or any of that stuff?
	Like, does that show them as a man of some sort?
	Like, the way that I believe masculinity has to do with boundaries, right?
	So, men defend boundaries and maintain boundaries.
	And I would say, as he was mentioning, modernity, we live in a modernist period, and the whole project of progressivism is actually eroding distinctions and boundaries that our cultures typically upheld.
	And so, that by its nature actually feminizes our culture and feminizes the men within it.
	I mean, when men go to battle in history, they're defending a boundary.
	It could be a territory, it could be their tribe, could be their women and their children.
	But that's what men are called to.
	Masculinity is about maintaining boundaries in a metaphysical sense, right?
	It can mean a lot of different things.
	And so, we live in a period where there are no boundaries.
	There's no boundaries between men and women, right?
	Women, I mean, men now menstruate, right?
	Was what we're told.
	There's no boundaries between man and machine.
	There's no boundaries between man and animal.
	I mean, you have like Antifa saying, no border, no wall, no USA at all.
	This is a dissolution of national boundaries, of national identity and heritage.
	And so, all of this stuff is eroded.
	And so, the meaning crisis that people like Jordan Peterson and Pagio and Vervecky are talking about is that men have no identity because there's no boundaries that actually conform to them that they can defend and actually live within.
	And so, this is where the loss of masculinity is that there's no boundaries for men to actually defend.
	And a man's identity is about defending something.
	That's why, when men have children or they get married, it gives them the sense of masculinity.
	Hopefully, they live up to that role in a traditional Christian sense because we have expectations on what that looks like.
	And what is that?
	What's that role?
	Oh, protector, provider, and a spiritual leader.
	And it's not like your wife is your slave or something.
	You love her just like Christ loves the church.
	You love her in a loving way, and you care to her.
	You give her the opportunity for her to then express her femininity.
	And at least in my perspective, like the highest goal is not a career.
	My career is a way to provide for my family.
	And my wife, her highest goal, is to have children and actually nurture that family and raise those kids.
	And so, everything comes after that.
	Everything is a secondary effect that contributes to that.
	But just as we were talking about the boss babe and the money you make on OnlyFans and the alphavization of women, well, this is an inversion of roles, and it's tied with, again, the dissolution of boundaries through the sexual content and all this different stuff.
	So, I think there's the larger problem with masculinity is that men do not have boundaries in which they can have structural identity and actually defend something and be proud of something to give them some meaning in their life.
	I do not want to be a boss babe at all.
	Like, I'm so submissive.
	Like, I do not want to be like the provider, even though I make a lot of money.
	Like, I just don't like that at all.
	So, I don't see like all of OnlyFans girls are boss babes.
	Wait, can you move your mic to the edge of the table there?
	Well, would you date a man that doesn't make the same amount of money as you?
	No, he has to make more than me.
	So, to the point, is that's what they were talking about: the difficulty of dynamics with their relationships, is that they tend to constantly be the providers, and it's difficult for them to find something that fits what they would feel more comfortable with.
	At least that was your kind of general contention.
	And so, you're still, even though maybe you're submissive and you present yourself in very more feminine in certain ways, but still, what you're doing as an industry and your OF being really the center of your life, you are a boss babe.
	You may not be the alphavization that they're talking about.
	You may not be like mute to your feelings or very stoic, but you're still kind of the boss babe that's making money, focused on her career, wanting to get clout.
	Talking about clout changing earlier, and all these things are contributing to the things that I'm seeing, like in dating or marriage, like he's gonna have to make way more than me.
	But don't you see that as that journey progresses for you, that's gonna be much and much more difficult for the window and selection of humans that you're gonna be able to have.
	Keep it on.
	Sorry, I was just making a I'm just saying the more money you make and the more you go down this journey, the pool of eligible men that would fit any category that you would want is become smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.
	And you gotta stop fucking rappers.
	You're fucking too many rappers.
	I literally fucked one.
	That's one too many.
	And he's rich as fuck.
	Still too many.
	One too many.
	If you fucked a rapper, it's over.
	You know, we were talking about this.
	Maybe it was two episodes ago.
	When it comes to like body count, there's, I call it, you know, I've not quite given it the best title.
	I don't have a high body count.
	I have less than six.
	But see, here's where I'm getting to.
	Here's where I'm getting to, okay, Chloe?
	Take some notes.
	It's called the body count qualifier.
	So if the body, the specific body, I'm not saying the goopy gravy, what's his name?
	What's his name?
	Young gravy.
	Young gravy.
	Sorry.
	I don't think it's kids and gravy.
	Gravy.
	Whippy skate.
	Gravy.
	I'm not saying that's the case for him, but certain dudes have a multiplier next to their body.
	So like if a girl fucks a grimy dude, that might as well be like 10 bodies.
	Like that, your body count is not.
	Let's say she fucked one grimy dude and that's it.
	She doesn't have a body count of one.
	She has a body count of at least 10.
	Now, she hasn't fucked 10 dudes, but like, we're not, okay, her body count is one.
	Her body count is one, but like the multiplier is 10.
	I don't agree as long as you're like clean and like I don't agree.
	It's like, yo, even if you don't have an STD, what I'm trying to say is if a girl fucked like the nice guy next door and he's like, I don't know, fucking virgin, whatever, whatever.
	You know?
	Whatever.
	But if she fucked like Takashi6ix9ine, that's like 10 bodies.
	It's not, it's one body, but it's 10 bodies.
	Is that guy?
	That's boy meditation.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, also, his touch is a little bit more than that.
	Wait, look, but y'all don't feel that way.
	Like, if a guy, like, you knew his exes and like they were like, you knew them, you didn't have like beef with them and they were nice girls or whatever, they didn't, they weren't grimy.
	But if like a dude hooked up with Bonnie Blue, that's a grimy chick.
	And then you're like, damn, like his body count is higher.
	See, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, this lovely lady over here has a higher body count.
	She's a lovely lady.
	Doesn't mean her grimy, right?
	I think she's a lovely lady.
	I don't think a body count.
	But if she's like, I'm real grimy.
	Okay, but like we're talking about, you know what I mean, baby.
	Wait, pull up the photo, Nick.
	Pull up the photo.
	The photo of her, you know, with a guy.
	Oh, gosh, they did research.
	Oh, no.
	You got a guy.
	All right.
	Check this out.
	I see.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	We love that.
	I'll know who that dude is.
	He's probably a virgin.
	If a dude has the toxic symbol tattooed on him, that's a body count amplifier multiplier.
	No, I'm sorry.
	If you fuck it, he's got a chest tattoo.
	What is that symbol?
	Sorry.
	Toxic symbol.
	Isaiah.
	Maxwell is an OG in the industry, and I will not let you say anything negative about that.
	It's not even him.
	It could be anybody.
	It's just a tattoo.
	I don't even know the guy.
	No beef.
	I feel like looking at you, you look like a very average individual.
	Not saying a bad way, like saying like you look like, not you're not like an average.
	I'm saying if I look on the street, I wouldn't be like, oh, this man is grimy.
	Yeah.
	But I'm saying you can be grimy.
	I've seen, I've met lots of people who look average and they're the freakest of the freaks.
	And especially girls who like are the girls back door with the glasses on.
	Those are the freakiest ones.
	So what I'm saying is, I feel like.
	Okay, go ahead.
	What?
	No, go ahead.
	I feel like just judging someone, I don't care what, as long as you're showered and tested, I don't care what your background is.
	That's me.
	I love that shirt.
	Also, why is all the heat on me right now with this picture?
	And then we have like, but no, look, and by the way, just to be clear, you were like, oh my God, don't talk shit.
	I don't know the guy.
	Whatever.
	He's a nice person.
	No, he's like, he's like an award-winning.
	That's like, for males in the industry, that's like difficult.
	No, it was more so the tattoo, I guess, because like the radioactive toxic tattoo.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I feel like you guys should go try and do corn for just a little bit and see how it goes for you.
	Plus, Isaiah, because it ain't as easy as it seems.
	But what I would say, though, I mean, since you did elaborate that he is a porn star, any girl who's dealt with a porn star, no offense to male porn stars, that's grimy.
	To you?
	Why is it grimy?
	So is he not?
	No, it's okay if it's grimy, but why is it grimy?
	Most of the people in the traditional porn industry, they have herpes.
	Or they will get herpes.
	So that's grimy on the STD front.
	The STD rate in the adult industry is pretty high.
	They're going to deny it, but it is.
	Otherwise, if we get tested every 14 days.
	Right.
	But why do you get tested?
	Because we're having sex with multiple people all the time.
	And do they test for HPV and herpes?
	It's not full panel testing, right?
	They do not test for HPV.
	There are a lot of personal tests that people take too.
	But people like.
	But the industry-mandated STD tests, do you need to test for herpes or HPV?
	Oh, yeah, HPV, yes.
	HPV, yes?
	On TTS?
	Yeah, I'm like 99%.
	I mean, if it gets completely different, go get my plus.
	Like at Mycoplasma, and urea plasma genitalium, which most of these guys don't even know.
	Herpes?
	No.
	So like, really?
	But with Isaiah and Donnie and stuff, they've used the industry to fund their other businesses.
	Like, they started Pornabis, which is a cannabis company, and they own these shops and stuff.
	So they make transitions.
	Sometimes industry actually had nothing.
	There's this thing called Mgen.
	You guys might know if you had more than like, I don't know, one sexual partner, you probably have fucking Imgen.
	And who knows what that is?
	That's a new thing.
	Nobody knows what that is.
	No one can explain it properly to me.
	And anyways, I'm not going to get into this because I don't even know.
	Everyone has, like, that's like a new thing everyone has.
	She's clean and she's not grimy.
	We're not going to talk about her like that, okay?
	I'm just saying if a girl dealt with, has dealt with whether, well, I mean, you guys are in this industry, so of course you're sleeping with these men, but even if she was a civilian and she fucked a porn star, that's a body count multiplier for the chick.
	She done fucked a grimy dude.
	Any guy who's been in the porn industry is a grimy dude.
	I'm not saying that to be mean, but if you're in the porn industry, like no offense.
	Yeah, and you know, once I quit my nine-to-five and did this industry, I multiplied my salary by like five.
	So also a multiplier, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I don't think it's a grimy.
	You know, I'm not a Christian, but I take great inspiration from the Bible.
	And I think it goes something along the lines of what good is it for a man to gain the world if it's at the cost of his soul?
	Right.
	Well, what if it's for supporting your family?
	Well, there's other ways.
	Okay, well, hold on.
	You can't on the salary.
	Sell your soul.
	I'm just saying.
	That's an exchange, though.
	That's an energy.
	I'm not in a position to name you what industry or what job.
	But still, you're doing, I mean, there's a moral exchange here.
	And I do believe that there's a spiritual reality and it does have a spiritual impact the more you engage in it.
	So you're getting money.
	In the Bible, we call that mammon.
	And so you can't worship mammon and worship God.
	And so, yeah, there's an exchange there.
	I'm not saying you don't make the money.
	I'm not saying you can't help your family.
	Maybe you can do really wonderful things with the money, but the way you made the money is an exchange of yourself in some way or another.
	Yeah, but that's every job.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	You can do there's no sin in being a craftsman.
	There's no sin in being a carpenter.
	There's no sin in being a soul to any job you do, especially now in this economy.
	Are you kidding?
	Yeah, with inflation and prices, which I had to say.
	Damn, these electricians just fucking selling their soul out here.
	God damn, bro.
	Ask how much primetime they have.
	Yeah, they are selling their soul.
	Talking about a one-person house.
	Damn, these bricklayers, just every brick, bro.
	Every brick just chopping away at the soul.
	Can I say something?
	I feel like it's different for like modern women versus women in the past because in the past women didn't have options.
	You know, like nowadays, women can get jobs and do something else with their life, but these people laying concrete every fucking mile of concrete.
	Yeah, like you couldn't get a job as a woman in the past.
	So like other women would do like things like that out of desperation, like to feed their families.
	And that was different.
	These damn gardeners fucking mowing lawns and shit.
	Every grass of lawn, every blade of grass cut, losing a bit of their soul.
	Can I?
	Okay, question.
	And like the money, the aspect, the fame of that.
	Do you like believe like in heaven?
	Like, do you believe in God?
	Like, because at the end of the day, like, I look at it as what I have in this world dies here with me.
	I'm not taking my money.
	I'm not taking my fame.
	I'm not taking art, like anything, objects here.
	These accountants making sure people don't get fucked by the IRS.
	Their soul is getting fucking demolished.
	And I was trying to answer, but they kept talking, so I couldn't.
	So I just waited.
	I've been a Christian my entire life.
	These fishermen, every fish.
	Every fifth of God.
	I've been in the industry for eight years.
	I quit several times trying to trust God that he would pay my bills and my family.
	Like, I support my family.
	I don't want to get into specifics for my mom's respect and everything.
	But like, you know, we grew up in extreme poverty, like foreclosed trailer, like very poor.
	And I stuck behind and helped.
	And like, I've been able to provide not just for her, but for other people.
	And on top of that, there's been girls in the industry I've met who, if I wasn't around and talked to them about my faith and my experiences and helped them, they were spiraling down a very bad, like, you know, mental health space.
	And I feel like everything happens for a reason.
	So if you believe in God and you believe that all things can happen for good, then why can't you believe that at the end of the day, you might be placed in this position temporarily because you are helping those people and you are helping to better not just yourself.
	These lumberjacks, every tree they chop down.
	I got a question for you.
	So when you read the Samaritan at the well, when Christ talks with her, does he say, oh, you've been sleeping with all this men, you've been an adulter, just continue to do that.
	It may work out really well and something providential will occur.
	Or does he say, sin no more?
	Like, is it wrong that you continue to engage in it?
	As a Christian, from your perspective, I mean, obviously for mine, it is wrong.
	And so Christ's message isn't like, don't ever judge, never criticize any sort of action.
	Everybody's wonderful.
	And look, something really grand.
	And if you don't make enough money, well, just go ahead and do it because I can't bless you enough to make sure I can give you enough financial stability for whatever.
	That's not the message of the gospel.
	The message of the gospel is to not commit sin.
	So when Jesus was asked, what is the most important law or rule in the Bible?
	What were the two he named?
	Love your neighbor as yourself and love God with all your heart.
	Okay.
	And so are you loving your neighbor as yourself when you contribute to an industry that we just talked about that's shifting cultural values, degrading tradition, shifting sexual dynamics between men and women?
	Is that loving your neighbor as yourself?
	You could say the same for employees of companies that cause a lot of damage and toxic waste and health problems to people.
	Well, that would be sensitive.
	That's like saying, oh, if you work for McDonald's, you don't love your neighbor as thyself because it's killing people with diabetes.
	That is not.
	So you're saying, well, I don't respect that.
	A big Mac is the same thing as corn.
	Is that what you're saying?
	There's no seven.
	I'm not religious.
	I'm doing this for selfish reasons.
	I don't know.
	I want money for myself.
	Because you're trying to blame one aspect of that.
	My point is just that there has to be an objective morality.
	That's all I'm saying.
	However, I think that in my certain circumstance, and I can't speak for the women, they may want the fame, they may want the attention and whatever.
	I know for myself, I decided I'm going to sacrifice and do whatever I need to on a selfless level for the people that I love and care about.
	And if that, at the end of the day, tells God that I'm not worthy of going to heaven, then like, so be it.
	But I'm going to continue to do what feels right because, you know, for everything you do, guard your heart above all.
	It's for everything you do flows from it.
	Proverbs, you know, 4.23.
	I have a religious thing.
	I have a religious question.
	This is like honest, and I'm not trying to, yeah, like I'm genuinely.
	I'm losing your souls, boys.
	Out there in your life.
	Oh, my God.
	And I literally just lost it.
	You got this.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Wait, oh, wait, okay.
	Every time I start this, ADHD and nerves are like, pop, pop, pop.
	Anyways, damn fire fire is losing their soul.
	God's plan, right?
	Like everyone says God's plan.
	If God has a plan for everyone, then like wouldn't like her plan be what it is now and wouldn't her plan be what it is.
	So we don't have free will.
	We don't have free will.
	Got free will.
	We don't get to make decisions.
	I'm genuinely asking.
	I'm like not religious.
	So, like, I'm, like, actually asking.
	I'm not trying to be, like...
	Well, the whole worldview is that, from a Christian paradigm, is that we are made in the image of God, Genesis 126.
	And with that, God was not forced to create the world.
	He did so because he freely chose so, and it's out of love.
	And love demands two people being able to choose.
	So love cannot exist in a deterministic world or in a relationship where somebody dominates you or forces you.
	That's not love, right?
	So love has to include free will.
	And so the entire understanding of creation, our relationship with God, is that we are trying to align our free will, made in the image, being able to actually be a causal force in the world through the things that we choose to align that with God's will.
	And the more we do that, the more we as individuals become conduits for God to act in the world.
	And that the whole point of repentance is that we can make wrong choices.
	Obviously, none of us are perfect.
	Christ is the only perfect one.
	So it's the same for me, same for everybody, same for everybody at this table.
	We've all made choices.
	We've all made the wrong choice.
	The point that I'm saying is that there have to be an objective standard for us to know if we made the right or the wrong choice.
	And I'm not condemning anybody or blaming anybody for all things.
	The point is, if you do believe that there's an objective morality, well, clearly, from a Christian paradigm, corn is one that's going to transgress that morality.
	Right.
	I understand.
	Do you believe that certain things are predetermined or not?
	What is predetermined?
	Give me an example of what you would say.
	What kind of thing?
	God has your life planned out.
	At least certain things could be.
	That's what I'm confused about.
	Like, I'm not saying little details, but like, I don't know.
	Certain basic things.
	Like, how many kids you will have?
	No, I mean, that's still, again, this was a conversation that came up yesterday in the debate.
	Is God's perspective is outside space and time, right?
	So, from God's perspective, you've already lived and you've already died.
	Because He's already knows the decisions that you made, but His knowledge, again, this is a logical fallacy that foreknowledge entails causality.
	And this is what I was trying to convey to Xena yesterday.
	This is it violates the laws of logic.
	So, just because God knows the choices we make and knows the end point of our lives, that we are living within temporal space and time right now, we are experiencing the journey.
	But God is outside space and time.
	So, he can already see the choices we've made, and he doesn't determine the choices we've made, the fact that he knows what we've made.
	And in that journey, he can absolutely have providence and providential occurrences in which things line up, and it does feel like fate or destiny.
	But your future is not written in stone.
	You get to choose that.
	I got a question for you, and then we're gonna have to move off the religious stuff.
	But so, you're a religious study scholar.
	Is it logically possible?
	And just I have very pro-Christian sentiments.
	I'm not stating anything like that this is the case, but is it logically possible that Christianity could be false?
	Well, I would argue if you utilize logic and you begin to analyze different systems.
	So, obviously, atheism is already out because a materialistic framework doesn't allow for objective epistemology and objective morality.
	They're all cultural constructions, so therefore relative and therefore they can change.
	I'm not smart enough.
	Can you like remember, like I'm not the you explain like I'm five?
	All right.
	So, then, well, you're asking me to defend a retired religious orientation, and that's going to take a few bigger words than maybe two syllables.
	But by the way, I'm not saying it is false.
	I'm just asking if logically it's possible that it could be.
	I would say if you utilize logic to the end point, it's the only paradigm that makes knowledge, objective morality, and a coherent metaphysical world make sense.
	And so, when people do apologetics against something like Islam, we are then using the laws of logic to analyze: okay, this is the God that you worship.
	Does it violate things or does it become incoherent or self-contradictory?
	And so, from a Christian perspective, we would say, well, we can deal with this.
	And the entire history of apologetics is showing that actually, if we use reason and we use logic and we use even natural observation, we can make the case that our faith is actually superior.
	And we're the only one that claims that God came into the world.
	So, out of all the world religions, it's only Christianity that says God actually took on human nature so that we then can participate in divinity.
	All of them still has a barrier between how exactly does me as an individual engage with God, something that's totally transcendent.
	And I would say only Christianity actually fully bridges that because God became man.
	But could is it so no?
	No.
	Logically, no, so no, logic, it's not logically possible that it could be false.
	Your answer would be false.
	I would say, yeah, no, because logic would entail that it's superior to all the other religious orientations.
	And then I wanted to ask: Could there be some circumstance, like if it was proven to you, like for example, let's say you could time travel to the past and it's a perfect time machine.
	There's nothing faulty with it and it is, you know, there's theories about like different timelines, different universes, stuff like that.
	But our current timeline, assuming you could travel back to our specific universe, our specific timeline, it is a perfect time machine.
	And you witnessed yourself that, say, the story told of Jesus, let's say it's not accurate.
	There is no resurrection.
	None of the miracles described in the Bible occurred.
	The healing miracles, nature miracles, exorcisms, resurrections.
	If you witnessed it yourself, and this is a hypothetical, would you still, like, would you still be a Christian?
	Well, I would say that the question is already, it's filled with the answers.
	So you're saying, theoretically, you're saying, if it's all false and you saw it's false, do you believe it's false?
	And it's like, well, you've already asked me a leading question that I can't actually have a different opinion on.
	Okay.
	Because you've already said it's okay.
	Pretend everything's false.
	And then you know it's false.
	Would you believe it's false?
	And it's like, well, you just put me in a position where you've characterized the whole thing as wrong.
	So there is no out on that.
	That would be hypothetical.
	But that would only be a discrepancy in terms of Jesus.
	Would you still believe that there could be a God?
	I mean, yeah, there could be a generic deity.
	Right.
	But, yeah, I mean, obviously I'm Christian because I've kicked the tires.
	I think that's the difference between Christianity and some of these other systems is that it welcomes criticism.
	And I think Orthodoxy in particular has a long history.
	It's a 2,000-year-old church founded by the apostles, split with Catholicism in 1054, and it's maintained that structure the whole time.
	And it now still exists in 2025, unchanged in many ways.
	So in my opinion, we welcome criticism.
	I think that's why when you look online and you see who are the best debaters and what's really kind of getting the views, it's orthodoxy because we welcome the criticism.
	Sure.
	Kick the tires, debate us.
	We welcome it because we think that we have the superior position.
	But I guess my question is going back to my previous question, though, if it's logically possible that it could be false under this hypothetical scenario where you could time travel back in time.
	It's a perfect time machine.
	It is the same universe.
	There's not any like funky stuff going on with like multiverse, whatever.
	And you saw with your own eyes there was no resurrection, et cetera.
	Would it, under that purview, wouldn't it then be logically possible that Christianity could be false?
	Well, you did the same thing.
	I don't think a time travel is logically possible.
	So you're telling me logically possible, give me, let me give you an illogical hypothetical and then say it's false.
	Could it then be logically false?
	There are some, within the framework, I just disagree with the way you're framing it.
	I think it's too smart for you.
	Are you?
	I think he's pretty smart.
	I don't think you're following along with anything that's being done.
	He's listening intently.
	I'm just not going to let you.
	By the way, I'm not going to, I know, I know.
	You're just doing it as a thought experiment.
	But I'm not going to let you put me in a hypothetical in which I could say that something that I truly, deeply believe to be true could be false.
	Because I've, again, I've lived a very different lifestyle before I became Orthodox.
	And I was very much into psychedelics.
	I was very much into progressivism and living contemporary American lifestyle.
	And so I've done those things and I got out of it due to questioning and trying to come to concrete solutions and answers.
	And so.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Well, you said that it's based on belief.
	So belief is different from logic, right?
	Right, but again, belief can still be built on rational logical principles.
	Just because I can, you know, you believe that you're going to exist tomorrow, it doesn't mean you can't make a logical and rational argument why you'll still exist tomorrow.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	So you believe in hell and heaven, right?
	Of course.
	Okay, so if someone's not religious and they live their life entirely without God or anything, where do they end up when they die?
	So as Orthodox, we do not make claims about people's salvation.
	What we would say is that God judges, there's an objective morality, right?
	This is the teachings of Christ.
	We'd say that's just written in stone, fact.
	That's what everybody's judged on because Christ had a perfect human heart.
	All of our hearts, which is really who we are, that's what's going to be held up to the light of Christ.
	So let me finish.
	I'm going to answer your question, I promise.
	So we would say everybody is judged within their context.
	So for example, say there's an old lady who's a Protestant who has lived a very, again, from all standards, a very pious and righteous life.
	But she's not Eastern Orthodox, what I believe to be the one true church founded by the apostles that still is unchanged.
	Do I think she's going to go to hell?
	No.
	God's going to judge her in her context, and I don't know the fate of her soul.
	That's outside my pay grade.
	What we say is we are the fullness.
	If you want the fullness of Christianity and the historical faith, that's us.
	Everything out there.
	So again, like the Taoist monk on Wudong Mountain in China who's doing Tai Chi every morning, is he going to hell?
	Well, again, how can I make claims about salvation when he hasn't heard about Christ?
	And that's where when you ask, you shall receive.
	When you want to know the truth and the truth will set you free, the difficult thing that people don't realize is God will give you the answers.
	If you really have a question you're struggling with and you pray about it sincerely, you'll get the answer.
	The question is, what are you going to do with that?
	Because now you are held guilty if you reject it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I'm very, like, religious is a big thing for me because I respect all religions.
	I'm not religious, but I do respect every religion.
	And I don't want to choose one as my own until I fully study and understand.
	Because I think a lot of people go into religions as like their parents are religious and they're born into it.
	And I feel like you as yourself should believe in it yourself.
	But I also feel like the world is so crazy, like in the science world, right?
	Like how we're literally on a floating rock and all this stuff's happening.
	Like God to me can be real because everything else is unbelievable to me.
	Like how is all this stuff real that we can see?
	Actually, you know what's interesting to me?
	One of the very compelling arguments is the fine-tuning argument.
	I actually think that it's a strong argument for the potential existence of Aegon.
	So this idea that the – sorry.
	Want me to explain it?
	Give me – Give me a chance.
	I'm going to have you come in with the dunk.
	Not the dunk arguments, but with the assist.
	Alright, it's the idea that the basis- God damn, they're laughing at me and shit.
	What the fuck?
	What was that?
	It's been like, it's been years since I've heard the fine-tuning argument.
	Fuck it.
	Okay, God.
	Okay.
	So the fine-tuning argument essentially, when you look at the cosmological situation that allows life to persist on the planet, it is so fine-tuned that if you changed any one thing, life couldn't exist.
	But we're told that the Big Bang, again, it was 13.8 billion, I think, a year or two ago.
	They then upped it because there was statistical mathematical problems with the idea of just Darwinian macroevolution, which is total random selection.
	Actually, if you just did the statistics, that would not be enough time for all random possibilities to actually present us to the present moment.
	And so we saw that based on their cosmology that the universe has now been upgraded.
	I think it was like 28 billion years, is what they're arguing now.
	But the point is, the fine-tuning of life to exist on this planet is so precise that how could that possibly be totally random based on what we're told by secular cosmology?
	Yeah.
	That's what I was going to say.
	Yeah, I have a question.
	I had that in the back.
	It was really got there.
	I have a question.
	So, going back to what you said, like where, you know, so you're Orthodox, and like, if like she said, if you're not religious, like, where would you go, right?
	Heaven or hell.
	And so, you know, this is like my best friend right here, Lindsay.
	And then, you know, we both do the same work.
	And she's one of like the best people that I know.
	And like, I'm a good person.
	So where do you think we're going?
	Well, based on what standard is a good person.
	So again, my standard is Jesus Christ.
	Right.
	So that's the standard.
	Just in the day-to-day, like we are doing, but like you can be a really nice person.
	I won't even debate you on that.
	Maybe you are one of the nicest people, and maybe you're a really good friend.
	But again, day to day, how are you lining up with trying to strive to be like Jesus Christ?
	And that then calls into question like objective morality, objective ethics, these types of things.
	And I would never make a claim about you particular, but we can certainly make claims about behaviors, right?
	So Christianity, this is where I get like this feminized Christianity where you can't criticize behavior is ridiculous.
	Like that is not what Christ did in the gospel.
	They cherry pick a quote here that says, oh, well, you know, he said just love everybody.
	Well, that's not what the gospel says.
	The gospel is very clear on what things we should and shouldn't do.
	And so when somebody transgresses those behaviors, you can call them out.
	Doesn't mean you then claim what their salvation is or the state of their soul or the interiority of who they are as a person.
	We can't know those things.
	Only God does.
	But with what you've been given and the knowledge that you have, you will be judged.
	And St. Paul says, the law has already been written on your heart.
	So deep down, this is where, you know, even if somebody never heard of Jesus, but and maybe they live in a tribe down in the Amazon, but they participate in cannibalism and human sacrifice, like those things are just naturally violent.
	You have to be desensitized to those things for them to become normal.
	And so that's because God's already written morality on our heart.
	We know it, and that's why we try to preserve innocence in children and women because they're closer to that structure and they can feel when it's transgressed.
	But when you violate the purity and you get rid of the purity, you're so desensitized to things that you can't feel like when actually transgressions occur.
	Yeah, and that's what's happening now: we have so many women who have been affected negatively physically from men and children as well.
	You expect them to be able to grow up and still abide by the same morals that did not protect them.
	So like where are those examples set?
	I'm not in favor of defending any man that violates a woman or a child in a sexual manner.
	I think we should have, especially children.
	I'm not against capital punishment.
	I mean, those people need to be like that is a sickness.
	And Christ says, like, those people deserve a millstone.
	Like, you did not.
	I think that it's a sickness in regards to society.
	I'm not going to make a claim about you two as individual people.
	I don't know your lives.
	I don't know your context.
	Again, I don't know the interior of your life.
	God does, though.
	And you guys know that God does.
	And so if you feel convicted about things, that's the Holy Spirit.
	And I do believe that the more you sin, the more the Holy Spirit leads you.
	I mean, as an Orthodox Christian, we believe in these uncreated energies.
	So, things like love, truth, logic, mercy, compassion, honor, we believe these are actual energies from God.
	And that's how we engage with him directly.
	Like, directly, there's no mediator.
	It's if I am loving and compassionate and I'm led by logic and reason and I'm pursuing truth, like I am moving towards Christ.
	And so the more we participate in sin, the more we dissipate those energies in us.
	And that's what, that's why sin is death, because without God's energies, how could you live?
	God sustains all life.
	He is the source of life.
	That's actually another uncreated energy.
	So if God's energy are totally abased and absent within you, you are filled with death.
	And that's what sin is.
	That's interesting.
	Well, I do have to move it on.
	We have some.
	You're totally fine.
	We have some chats coming in.
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	Oh, okay.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	I think he's just mad about where I live and he doesn't, you know?
	Oh, shit, Desert Joe.
	Sorry.
	Desert Joe.
	You should see the view.
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	All right.
	We have MasterMonkey34.
	Narla is proof Christianity is unserious.
	Philosophically, it is focused on orthodoxy, correct thought, and not orthopraxy, correct action.
	If you forgive everything, you stand for nothing.
	You want to do a quick response on that one?
	I mean, I would assume that what the super chatter is trying to say is kind of this weak feminized Christianity that I was speaking about.
	And I would agree with him.
	If it's all about sort of satisfying people's emotional states and like things they're doing and sort of reassuring everybody, yeah, that's totally a fake Christianity.
	But again, as an Orthodox Christian, Eastern Orthodox, I mean, the whole thing is orthopraxy because if you don't live the lifestyle, you're not filled with the energies of God.
	And that equals death.
	And so if you die and you're filled with sin and you're filled with all these things that actually take the energy away, well, of course you're going to die.
	And that's what hell is.
	Hell is eternal separation from God, but we're choosing it right now.
	God, it's not like there's a bouncer at the pearly gates that looks to see is your name on the list?
	I don't see your name on here.
	No, we're doing it right now.
	We're choosing where we're going.
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	This is late.
	Women are gatekeepers to their body, so why are they not taking the high ground and quit OnlyFans and other lewd content?
	Are they not strong, independent women who do not need men?
	From Pasty George, thank you for the message, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't think we ever said that we don't need men.
	Okay.
	Josh Brooks, could it be that because we know nothing from before we were born, that we will know nothing after we perish, an acute dopamine dump into the brain could be this afterlife people talk about thoughts.
	What?
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	Would it be, so there's certain advancements in technology.
	I've heard of this thing called cryonics, where essentially, because for example, the point of death, at least from a medical context, has kind of shifted over time.
	For example, if somebody's stopped breathing, that doesn't actually necessarily mean, like perhaps historically, if they stopped breathing, doesn't necessarily mean that they have actually died, for example.
	Like they, they could have, I don't know, some medical thing could have happened, and now we're able to keep people alive.
	I think typically now it's when there's brain death is when I think the medical community considers it actual death.
	With cryonics, essentially what they're doing is upon death, they freeze the person, they like inject them with some stuff, and then they freeze them and keep them in this sort of frozen state with the hopes that currently there's no such technology to revive people, but perhaps in the future there will be our view of what is death perhaps could change through means of technology.
	But I have a sense, perhaps under the Christian worldview, that this would be some sort of, I don't know, maybe it's a blasphemy or something, to essentially keep people iced on ice, and then one day when the technology would allow for it, to revive them.
	What are your thoughts on that?
	So I would say it's a form of a, it's like an inverted form of resurrection.
	And so what you're referring to, like Alcor Life Extension, this is kind of that's the leading cryonics research place in the United States.
	It's in Scottsdale, Arizona.
	It's led by Max Moore, who's kind of one of the leading philosophers regarding transhumanism.
	And so my academic work is critical of transhumanism.
	That's what I talk about.
	And I view it as a satanic inversion of Christianity.
	This idea that you will become God or you unite with God through the machine, which is the AI, which is the sentient AI and the singularity that they're waiting for.
	And so when you're talking about these cryonics, like Bill Gates has already purchased his cryonics.
	And so really big billionaires and tech moguls are going to Alcor and right before they die, as Brian said, they get put in extremely low temperatures to preserve their body.
	And the hope is in the future, we're going to have the ability to replace their biological parts with synthetic parts and bring them back to life.
	I personally think it's philosophically flawed because I don't believe that you can exchange neurons with the hardware of an AI system and that you preserve the same person.
	It has to do with their philosophy on what actually the person is.
	And they believe as long as the functions, it's called functionalism, it's a theory of mind, that if, for example, your computer, you can do two plus two equals four, the computer can do that.
	I can do it in my head.
	Functionalism said, well, then they're equal in their sense of capacity.
	And so the way that they're defining sentient AI is as long as it can do the functions that a human can do, then it's equivalent in their worldview.
	And I just don't believe, because I believe that we're made in the image of God, that even the possibility of the resurrection through cryonics that they proselytize, I view it as a form of Satanism that it's kind of locking people into this anticipation and this false worldview that they can actually be preserved and they can live forever.
	This is the whole narrative of the singularity in transhumanism.
	Got it.
	Just a curiosity there that kind of came to my mind from that previous chat.
	We have Pasty George.
	Science has found that atoms make up everything in our reality and that it has a frequency or vibration inside of the atom.
	But science has yet to discover what is inside of the atom where he says continued and he follows it up with many indigenous peoples in each tribe beat the sacred drum because it is supposed to represent the sound or heartbeat of creation.
	How did they know about the atom?
	By the way, Pasty George is our resident Canadian First Nations individual.
	And I think last show, or maybe it was the show before, they granted me an honorary tribal name.
	It was called Walks with Burritos, I think.
	Or what was it?
	Squatting Dog?
	No, what was it?
	What was my name?
	Burrito Walker?
	Walks with burritos?
	Okay.
	I actually have a burrito in the refrigerator.
	Pasty George, if you do champagne pop, I'll eat the burrito on stream.
	I don't know if somebody, if did you were you wanting to weigh in on the Adam thing?
	I don't know if there's anything.
	I mean, in regards to, yeah, I would totally agree.
	As an Orthodox Christian, just Christian in general, Christ is the word.
	You know, in Greek, that's the logos, which has more of a context than just like the spoken word, but he is the word of God.
	And so we do believe that God spoke the world into existence and that language actually has a supernatural power.
	This is something that differentiates us from animals.
	Animals can communicate.
	They do not have higher order language.
	This is a unique phenomenon to us as humans.
	And so I would say this is an ability that we participate in God, that co-creation demands the ability to use language.
	And so when he's talking about something like cymatics, that's kind of what he's getting at, is that sound itself has sacred geometrical patterns and that the structure of reality are actually tied with like an undergirding vibration.
	You know, in Hinduism or the Vedic tradition, Buddhism, they talk about OM.
	And so this concords with a Christian worldview because Christ is the word.
	He speaks the world into existence.
	All right.
	We have Red Fox here.
	Thank you for the super chat, Red Fox.
	Dr. David Patrick Harry, you already helped so many of me included.
	I pray that the women hear the message and understand you actually venerate women.
	Question, does your back hurt since you have been doing the heavy lifting this weekend?
	Christ is king.
	That's why I work out, Red Fox.
	Purdue appreciate it, though.
	God bless, brother.
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	And we have one chat.
	Then we're going to get back to the stuff.
	We have Pasty George.
	Women have the power to stop OF and other lewd content, yet they blame men.
	Why is it only men's fault?
	Why are they crying victim when they literally can stop at any time making OF and lewd content?
	I don't think anyone claims victim.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, I definitely don't claim victim.
	No, super self-inflicted.
	I actually, I'm going to get into this next show, but there was this girl who just flaked, and she was a victim.
	And it's the weirdest thing ever.
	I'm going to talk about next show, though.
	She, I don't know if you guys recall in our pre-show notes that we send all of you, we say, you know, maybe avoid these colors, don't wear a hat, avoid like heels, and don't wear glasses.
	And she went full Karen victim mode on me.
	And she took issue with the, I think the way it's worded is, if possible, don't wear glasses because we want people to see your face.
	Sometimes glasses cast glare.
	And we say, if possible.
	So if somebody doesn't wear contacts and they absolutely need the glasses, we're fine with letting people use it.
	Anyways, I'm going to save that for next show, though, because we've got a lot to get through tonight.
	But she blew up at me and I told her, I was like, hey, it's cool for you to wear the glasses.
	But she was like, she's freaking out.
	And then she canceled.
	And then she was blasting me on social media.
	Like, how dare?
	And I told her multiple times, it's okay for you to wear glasses, but she wanted to be like some big cause or something.
	Like I was.
	And by the way, and then I started talking shit.
	I was like, I wear glasses too, huh?
	Oh, you didn't know that?
	I wear glasses, but I have contacts.
	And I was like, I bet my prescription is worse than yours.
	I'm like negative six and a half, something.
	Damn, that's bad.
	Anyways, whatever.
	I'll show you the guys.
	She's been like posting stories and shit, so I'll post, I'll talk next show about that, though.
	Hot shot, I really want to know if it is written that the price of sin is death.
	How can you say that if we sin every day and we can go to heaven?
	Okay, that's what repentance is for.
	So, of course, we sin every day.
	The point is to turn from it, ask for forgiveness.
	Obviously, I'm Orthodox, so we have confession with a priest.
	But that's, yeah, you can still get to heaven and be a sinner.
	I mean, that almost denies the entire salvific purpose of Christ's incarnation.
	So, I don't, I don't follow the logic in the question.
	Going to Lindsay in your pre-show notes, you said that you're a full-time content creator and you're a P-Star with two AVN nominations and over 200 scenes.
	You said you have some interesting, surprising dating stories.
	You said you wanted to talk about virginity.
	Was there something specific on virginity?
	I don't know.
	I can't even.
	I've taken a lot of virginities.
	I don't know if it was about that or if it was, I don't know.
	I mean, my ex of five years, we were each other's first for everything.
	We were actually trying to wait until marriage and then he pushed.
	And, you know, ever since then, I was like, you know what?
	Fuck it.
	It's already done.
	Might as well.
	Then I made money.
	Okay.
	Going to Anastasia.
	Let's see here.
	We have a video that we're going to pull up from her.
	So can you get that pulled up?
	Yay, someone else.
	It's like they can't play the video.
	While he's pulling that video up, I'm pretty sure it's one of the Instagram video.
	Yeah, probably.
	You got it?
	Yeah, take your time.
	You said that you're spiritual and slash divinely guided.
	But when you say divinely guided, is that like a religious thing?
	No, I'm more spiritual.
	I believe in God at my heart.
	But I do not believe in the Bible and I not believe in most churches here.
	Mostly when it starts, you know, including like membership requirements, stuff like that.
	But, yeah.
	And then you said something about being something about welcome to my asylum.
	Like, so are you crazy or something?
	I don't want to say crazy.
	People just weird.
	But I don't think I'm a bad kind of weird.
	I'm just weird.
	And then you also wrote that you, I think this is on your Twitter.
	You're a pansexual and a pervert.
	Yeah, it can be.
	So when you say you're pansexual, you date women, you date men, you date transgenders.
	Yes, everybody's fine.
	You date dwarves.
	Would you date a dwarf?
	Is that like the correct terminology?
	Yeah, that's the correct right?
	I think it's a short.
	Well, first, first, here's the euphemism treadmill.
	It was midget, then it was dwarf.
	I think they're still cool with dwarf.
	Midget's not good anymore, trust me.
	No.
	But now it's little person or little people.
	Okay.
	But dwarf, I'm pretty sure 97% of them are chill with it.
	But isn't it actually called like dwarfism?
	Yeah.
	So why is it offensive?
	You'd be surprised.
	The euphemism treadmill.
	The use of.
	I would date a dwarf, actually.
	I've been trying to date a dwarf.
	You talked about the flowers.
	I want to do a scene with a bunch of dwarfs.
	Is that the correct term?
	Dwarf.
	You're canceled.
	They're good.
	I want to be snow.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I want to be snow white and someone else is going to take this idea now, but whatever.
	I want to be snow white and I want like a bunch of dwarfs.
	A seven dwarfs.
	Yeah, the Disney stuff.
	And if there are seven dwarfs out there that would like to do that, just please message me.
	Now you might be.
	Now you're in trouble.
	Now she's in trouble.
	Talking about and no one else take that, but if you do, you know, it could be a good idea.
	But so you date, have you dated a transgender person?
	No, I haven't.
	But you're open to it.
	Yes, I'm open to it.
	Anybody else here?
	Bisexual, any bisexual people at the table?
	Okay.
	Any pansexual people at the table?
	I won't date girls, but I do stuff with girls.
	You, huh?
	I don't date girls, but I do stuff with girls.
	You have carnal knowledge with girls.
	Okay.
	And you also, you said you're a pervert.
	I mean, so when I have close friends, I'm known to not have a filter.
	Just.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	We have a video from her that we're going to you can play it, yeah.
	And you can, if it repeats, that's fine.
	So the caption, I'll read it.
	Your whole life you heard, or maybe, can you see it?
	Yeah.
	Can you read it?
	Yes.
	Do you want me to read it or do you want to actually tell it like us?
	You can make a bigger neck.
	That's fine.
	So you want me to read it, word forward?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	My whole life I heard, I thought you were in your teens when I was in my 20s and I thought you were 20 something in my 30s.
	My mom heard, we thought you were younger her whole life too.
	Obviously the makeup, I will look about my age order.
	That's just what makeup does.
	But I love how millennials is the only generation that looks younger than their age, especially Pisces, inner witches.
	Witches?
	I'm spiritual.
	Spiritual?
	Are you a witch?
	No, I'm not a witch.
	I love Halloween.
	So I love Halloween.
	I love this gothic style.
	When it comes to the interior design, on Halloween, I will dress like that.
	Have you ever cast a spell on anybody?
	No, so I am a strong believer that it is a bad karma.
	So I do not indulge in that.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	I think that's referred to as being a white witch.
	Probably, a good witch.
	How do you know how to do witchcraft?
	So I don't basically, I wouldn't say I do a witchcraft.
	I would kind of put intentions of like if I need to protect myself or protect my energy or the family, that most of what I would do.
	But like I said, anything past that is really doing anything against anybody's will is going to be a bad karma.
	Oh, but it sounds like prayer to me.
	In a sense, I would say yes.
	Prayer.
	I would take a little bit of umbrage with that, that ritualistic magic of any sort, incantational, sigil magic, any of that stuff would be equated with prayer.
	She's saying that.
	She's got a vision board.
	She's got like Brad Pig.
	So it's like the secret Ferrari.
	Well, I don't actually think it's a vision board.
	It's more like, you know, kind of intentions.
	And then it's like, universe, just protect me, protect my energy to be healthy.
	In a sense.
	So you're like manifesting.
	Yeah, bro, get your head out of there.
	Not hitting the intentions out there to kind of keeping her safe, you know?
	Or like when I fly, like the same way, just do, because I hate flying.
	Okay, cool.
	We have Pasty George here.
	I believe the word of God is the unknown frequency in the atom, and each atom in our reality vibrates at different frequencies, which give us earth, air, fire, water sounds.
	You've been.
	God is in the atom, okay?
	And then we have Josh Brooks.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	What's up?
	Why did I say what's up?
	That was weird.
	To the panel, including the two Chad gentlemen.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	What is your most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge story that stuck with you?
	Could be embarrassing to you or the other party.
	Thanks.
	Anyone have any embarrassing?
	I've got one.
	I've got one ready to go.
	Any embarrassing dating stories?
	Lucy, what's up?
	Lucy Goosey, tell me.
	Come on.
	Like, you, guys, it's your turn.
	You know?
	Say something.
	Why don't you give us your dating story?
	I've shared it a bunch so the audience knows, but I mean, there's been a couple.
	Like, I went out with some environmental chick and she freaked out because I brought a ball of water to the date and she totally torpedoed the date.
	That was pretty embarrassing for her, of course.
	And then I once had it locked in.
	This baddie, baddie, she was locked in and she was coming over.
	Were you simping?
	Nah, I ain't ever, nobody catches me slacking.
	Nobody catches me slacking.
	So she's baddie coming over.
	And I kind of like where I was living at the time.
	There's a lot of bushes and shit.
	And my house, it's like green.
	A lot of green around my house.
	And there's fucking spider webs and shit.
	Lots of spider webs.
	She walked through a spider web, got bit by the spider, and then she started feeling sick and shit.
	So she, and then needless to say, it did not go down.
	She went home because she was, she was like, oh shit.
	And she was scared of spiders too.
	She had arachnophobia.
	So it's like double trouble.
	She got bit spider web all in the face.
	Anybody walk through a spider web?
	That shit's, oh my God.
	That ruins your day.
	It would ruin my ear.
	That ruins your week, honestly.
	And then, and like, I was still trying.
	I was like, let me put on the Spider-Man costume.
	And it's still working.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	About the Spider-Man costume thing.
	But, yeah.
	And then it just.
	And then afterwards, she was like, you know what?
	I really liked you, Brian, but I think it was fate.
	I can't.
	I don't know.
	It was a sign from the universe that I can't date you because I got bit by a spider.
	It was like a black widow, too.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty sure.
	She had to go to the hospital.
	She was like laying down, like, oh my God.
	How romantic.
	I know.
	I mean, did you bag her at that?
	No.
	She's an old noose.
	What?
	You're saying it never worked out?
	You didn't even go on a date with her afterwards?
	I mean, we had kicked it like two years back.
	Yeah.
	And the spider ruined all the romance.
	But we kind of separated and then we were reconnecting, but then the spider cockblocked me.
	I thought you don't do that.
	I thought you were like, it's a no-go if like a girl was with another guy.
	But how are you reconnecting with girls?
	Did she not see anyone else?
	Yeah.
	Well, just curious.
	Like, we had seen each other initially, but it didn't work out.
	And then there's a period of time, but then we reconnected.
	To my knowledge, at the time, she was not involved with any other people.
	See, that's the whole thing about the body count thing.
	I feel like lying is such a thing.
	Like, that's why it doesn't matter to me because everyone lies about it.
	Like, and I just don't care in general, but I feel like most people lie about it.
	A woman has never lied to me.
	Yeah.
	That's a lie.
	That is a lie.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think, you know, maybe that should be a crime.
	A crime for lying about your body count?
	Yeah.
	There's so many more things in this world to care about who is happening.
	I think with what?
	A felony.
	One year, maybe in prison.
	Okay, so you are telling me.
	Yeah.
	Everyone.
	Brian said it's a felony for you to lie about.
	Okay, so why is if I was dictator of the country?
	No pen and titanium dictatorship.
	I would make it a felony to lie about body count.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You think body count is so bad that someone deserves to be in jail.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Put them in, put them in strumpet prison.
	See, that's it.
	What would be like the max?
	What do you mean?
	Like the number, like for a girl, like what is your max?
	Well, hold on.
	I'd like to talk about my political ambitions and also what I would do if I was dictator.
	So in addition to if you go to jail for lying about your body count, I also think we're going to ban plastic surgery.
	Unless, you know, look, there's some exceptions.
	Some people do have like cleft lip or whatever.
	And there's also, you know, there are some.
	There are some.
	Look, if somebody's disfigured either genetically or my wording is terrible.
	If somebody, you know, there was an accident, a terrible train accident, and, you know, I think we can, you know, that plastic surgery, that is kind of corrective, you know, but fake titties, gotta go.
	BBL, gotta go.
	I don't have a BBC.
	See, but you're doing this like thing.
	You have hip augmentation.
	You have hip augmentation.
	She's too skinny.
	That's just her body.
	She's got her body teeth.
	She's sneaky like that.
	No, I thank you.
	She's got hip augmentation, bro.
	No, she does not.
	I'm too skinny.
	See, she tried to do that.
	I can't because I'm too skinny.
	She just has a nice body.
	I don't have fat to like move into my hips.
	I heard of it, yeah.
	I would love to have a BBL, but I literally can't.
	I've never seen a BBL that look like that.
	That is a BBL.
	What is your hatred for like plastic surgery?
	I can't.
	You're being celebrated.
	I'm very flattered that you think that.
	Every show.
	Every show?
	Yeah, he thinks I have a BBL every single time.
	A BBL.
	I mean, I would say your boobs were done before you had a BBL.
	My boobs are done.
	I've said that multiple times, but I don't have a BBL.
	Okay.
	All right.
	But see, like, I've asked this question before, and girls will like do this word game where it's like, well, I don't exactly have that.
	Like, I'll say, oh, you have breast implants.
	And they'll say, no, I don't have fake boobs, but they got fat transfer.
	And they'll do this like technicality.
	Technically, it's not, it's not.
	I don't.
	But so you have something where it's either hip, you got the hip augmentation shit.
	No.
	No.
	All right, whatever, bro.
	But what's your problem with people improving their bodies?
	What's my problem?
	Yeah, like, what's the problem?
	What's your problem with not having a problem with it?
	Like, if someone wants to look better.
	Debated.
	Someone wants to look better.
	What's that?
	If someone wants to look better, what's the problem with that?
	No.
	Look, there's a couple problems.
	There's a couple problems.
	One, you've got these, you've got the entire cosmetics industry.
	You've got the entire beauty industry.
	You've got the plastic surgery industry.
	You've got the cosmetic surgery industry.
	They are predators.
	They are preying on women's insecurity.
	We all know that beauty is this very, very important thing.
	Everybody wants to be beautiful, and especially in society in 2025, everybody, you know, everybody wants to be beautiful and good looking and all this stuff.
	People are very superficial.
	They're very materialistic.
	Everybody wants the perfect body, the perfect face, all that shit.
	And I'm telling you, I'm telling you, they're preying on women and men's insecurity.
	They're preying on it.
	They're profiting off of it.
	You guys are so, but you guys are going to defend it because you are in a prison for your mind.
	Oh, my God.
	You are so good.
	Any girl who goes and gets it done, like every guy will be like, no, you don't need to do that.
	You don't need to do that.
	And then they go get it done, and the guys are like way more into them every single time.
	Oh, everybody.
	Your deception is effective.
	Don't get me wrong.
	The deception is effective.
	And every time a girl gets in handkins, it's that way.
	But if it was In a society where people, I think, look, you shouldn't just be, you know, you should take good care of yourself and take good care of your health.
	And you can work on your appearance within the metrics and paradigms that don't involve cutting your body open and painting your face with a pound of makeup.
	And this, sir, you had a beard and no beard.
	No, you, I think the beard gives you at least two points.
	At least.
	And I don't think you're an unattractive man without the beard.
	But I'm saying I've been.
	He's trying to smash right now.
	Yeah, he's into the BBWs.
	But he, I feel like this makeup thing is very crazy.
	Like, because I'm not afraid to not have makeup on, right?
	But also, I do it for my own self.
	Like, I love it.
	Every day I get going from the mirror and the hour I spend on it is the hour I spend on it is the best time of my day.
	Do you have a tongue piercing?
	Can you?
	Let's not.
	Okay.
	I'm 23 years old and I'm going to take it out when I'm married.
	Yes, I have a tongue piercing.
	Okay, I'm probably going to interrupt you there.
	Well, what is the male equivalent to makeup and plastic surgery?
	I was saying a beard.
	I think you having a beard is absolutely like that's the same as makeup Wait, no, no, no, no.
	But I don't want to hear the what about this.
	Why don't you contend with my argument?
	What are you asking?
	That you guys are just hopelessly dependent on your paint.
	That you guys, at no other point in human history have women been going undergoing expensive, dangerous, and unnecessary surgical procedures.
	Every time you go under anesthesia, there's a risk of something, especially like, look, I don't know if there's any BBLs at the table.
	BBL is like a notoriously dangerous procedure.
	And these women are, for the sake of vanity, for the pursuit of beauty, a lot of them, it's not good for your body.
	Anytime you go under anesthesia, it's not good.
	It's never good.
	There's women who die from these things or they face various complications.
	I know it's not the case to be charitable.
	I know most people probably have like breast implants and there's minor or no complications.
	But there's enough where I'm like, that's crazy.
	And then you get, you grow fucking, don't you grow mold on that shit?
	I've heard some crazy stories.
	The breast implants, they get, they leak, leaking titties.
	The titties are leaking, bro.
	The titties are leaking.
	The plastic is leaking out.
	I'm just saying, why can't, you got an A-cup?
	Rock that shit.
	Do some squats.
	And that's another.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	When it comes to makeup, I feel like makeup has made a huge shift.
	Like, girls are actually going more natural, if anything.
	I feel like there's more natural brands out now.
	Like that, or it's like barely anything, like the liquid blush, that liquid, whatever.
	And you girls are talking about it.
	Hold on.
	You know, I'm going to make an environmental argument.
	You guys are getting your there.
	There's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of these massive transport ships coming from fucking China and India and all these fucking countries.
	And they're crossing the Pacific or whatever fucking route they take.
	And they're crossing.
	They're dumping that bunker fuel, son.
	Dumping the bunker fuel.
	You know how fucking bad bunker fuel is?
	Do you even know what bunker fuel is?
	You know what bunker fuel is?
	Bunker fuel, terrible.
	One of the worst.
	Very bad.
	Bunker fuel, very bad.
	Trust me.
	They're dumping this shit.
	And these shipping boats.
	Oh, my God.
	They're all just full of your Sephora bullshit and your fucking whatever, your fucking fake nails.
	They're just, you know, those big giant shipping containers.
	They're just full of claws.
	The nail claws, they're full of fake lashes.
	They're transport.
	Imagine that shit, bro.
	Imagine that shit.
	We used to transport fucking tea and shit and spices.
	Now they're transporting.
	Now they're fucking transporting fucking fake lashes and hair extensions from fucking China.
	These poor little Chinese infants, fucking three years old, they're in the mines.
	They're in the mines, mining the fucking.
	They're mining.
	They're mining.
	I'm telling you, they're mining.
	What's it called?
	They're mining the ingredients in your makeup, son.
	And they're shipping that.
	They're dumping bunker fuel.
	Bunker fuel.
	Son, you know, burning bunker fuel.
	Do you know about bunker fuel?
	I have a bunch of people.
	Let me tell you about bunker fuel.
	I don't want to know about bunker fuel.
	Right?
	You don't even know.
	I don't know.
	You don't even know.
	I don't know.
	Cost.
	I don't know.
	Of my makeup.
	Of your makeup.
	It's ruining every bunker fuel, the ocean.
	It's ruining the fucking dolphins and shit.
	You're killing dolphins every time you put on some blush.
	My wing eyeliner is killing the dolphins.
	Every time you put on a little mascara, a little baby kitten.
	A little baby kitten in China is like, oh, the fucking.
	Do you have an iPhone?
	See, that's what I'm saying.
	You're wearing, what about the clothes you're wearing?
	That's important by bunker fuel, right?
	That's why I'm not sure.
	Do you date?
	You're a sentimentalist.
	Well, you sound like one.
	Do you date women that don't wear fake nails or eyelashes or anything?
	They're bare.
	Strong preference.
	They're bearish.
	Do you like date like Amish girls?
	And that's a good thing.
	Hell yeah.
	Sign me up, bro.
	Amish beautiful.
	I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	I'm in Pennsylvania.
	Send me the picture.
	But I feel like it goes back again to why are the women wearing makeup?
	Because society has presented to you from before you could even understand anything.
	From when you were little fucking infants and children, they've been presenting to you a Disney-fied image on every single piece of media that you've consumed before you can even understand what the word media is for benefit.
	For corporations, probably.
	I don't know.
	No, but how are they just so much in your face?
	Yes.
	That's why the women had those cores.
	Wait, so women wear makeup for men?
	Because I hear women don't wear makeup for men.
	And for now.
	For now.
	But I'm saying, I mean, it all started, you know, first we had the corsets squeezing our organs together to look smaller.
	Women do we have to do it for them.
	Women do the biggest thing.
	If it was an all-female society, we would not be in the same place.
	If it was up to most men, you ask most men, we don't like all the caked on makeup.
	We don't care.
	Most men don't care about your stupid nails.
	Most men don't care about the lashes.
	They don't care about your hair extension.
	But when you go online and you see the girls who end up going bareface on TikTok or show their acne or whatever, you'll see the comments.
	It's always women never win.
	I'll explain it like that.
	Yeah, there's no winning.
	I agree.
	These sports leagues or whatever sporting you're into, if they allow steroids, all of the athletes now have a new metric by which they have to be at.
	So if you have all the athletes in a given field, if they're taking steroids, all the other athletes are going to take steroids too.
	If magically all women stopped doing plastic surgery, stopped wearing makeup, it would just lower the bar.
	It would completely lower it.
	See, you're putting makeup as like this thing that's like controlling all the, like, why can't makeup just be a fun thing?
	Like, for me, I don't, most of the time, I don't wear makeup.
	I enjoy it for myself.
	Can I ask you a question?
	You can ask me a question.
	You say it's fun.
	If you go out, if you go out, do you feel less comfortable if you're not wearing any makeup?
	It depends on where I am.
	So if I'm like going to the grocery store, I don't care what I look like.
	If I'm going in a place where a lot of my friends, peers, like I am, this is, it's not about, this is the way I present myself.
	I'm very glittery and sparkly and my makeup's always crazy.
	It's because that's the way I like to look.
	But I don't feel uncomfortable.
	Like whenever you pull out the little makeup wipes, like if you, I would, I wouldn't care.
	You know what I mean?
	Because I'm comfortable as my natural self.
	But I think your judgment on makeup is this broad judgment about the what?
	What am I doing?
	What am I ruining?
	Bunker fuel.
	The bunker fuel.
	That's very, like, that's my, this is my job.
	I do this as a, I, I, I do makeup as a job.
	I it's something I enjoy.
	It's my not everyday life.
	Like my room is filled with it, like it's something that brings me joy.
	Just like a nerd who likes a book.
	Like, I don't judge that, so why do you judge just because of my makeup?
	It is a bigger thing, right?
	How makeup is this thing that it's like covering these insecurities?
	And yeah, it is parallel to that, but it also is parallel to the thing it's something that someone enjoys, and we should understand that as well.
	Yeah, I recognize that women will put on makeup for the, I suppose, I mean, I wouldn't understand it personally, but I can't take their word for it that they enjoy perhaps the creative process of doing it.
	But so I can see that's about your bunker fuel.
	So I go makeup a lot because I'm comfortable without, but it, you know, it took like two rounds of vacutane to get where I am.
	However, like, again, we wouldn't make as much money if we go bareface, right?
	Because the men are not attracted to the women who are all naturally.
	I hate doing my makeup, but I definitely feel comfortable in makeup.
	Look, I'll wear that shit every day.
	I don't dispute that makeup makes women can make them more attractive.
	But I mean, as far as what I okay, so from the dating lens, what I have against it, I have an issue with it more like on a societal level, but on an individualistic level, there's a dating component to it.
	So the dating component is you're misrepresenting how you actually look.
	So you are augmenting your physical appearance.
	That's not how attractive you actually are.
	I understand that in a way, but I feel like if you're like, if we're going on a date and I send you only photos of that and they don't know exactly what I look like, then that's one thing.
	But I mean, if they see me in both ways, like, why is that a problem that when I have makeup on, obviously I'm going to look different.
	I don't have a freaking wing eyeliner and sparkles on my eye.
	I do this to look different, but I'm also okay with the way I look without it.
	And I feel like you should be okay with us being okay with having it on.
	Like, I don't know why it has to be an argument.
	Like, makeup doesn't have to be an argument because it just doesn't.
	I feel.
	Look at him like calculating in his whole thing.
	And he's like, there's so many things in the world to like be upset about.
	And like a girl wearing makeup, it's like if we're faking it, he never saw what she looked like without makeup.
	She goes to sleep with makeup.
	She wakes up and does it before.
	Like, that's crazy.
	But if she's just wearing it to dinner and going on a date, and that's okay.
	And talking about the bunker fuel and literally all the bunker fuels wild.
	Can you move your microphone over this way a little bit?
	But yeah, I mean, look, the thing is, though, again, from the dating perspective, I think it manipulates at this instinctual subconscious level.
	So even if the guy knows that she's wearing makeup, it still is going to have the intended effect of him assessing her as more attractive than she actually or otherwise is.
	And even if we know you're wearing makeup, and if we're experts on makeup, and we know that you're wearing foundation and blush and mascara and eyeliner and whatever it is, it still has this subconscious manipulation.
	And the other component is that let's say it's our first time seeing you and we don't know what you look like without makeup.
	Even if we acknowledge you're wearing makeup and we know that you might not look like that, we don't necessarily know, especially if you're wearing like a little eyeline, well, even just eyeliner and mascara can do a lot of heavy lifting for a woman.
	But if we're talking foundation, where you're putting it, the whole face essentially is in makeup, we don't know the extent of the difference.
	So she could be one point down or she could be four points down.
	And I still don't know, understand your argument.
	You're saying four points, but he does know if she's four points or five points.
	Like she's if he's dating her.
	Like, like, I don't really understand what you're trying to argue.
	Like, what's the problem?
	I'm just confused to be honest.
	Well, I mean, if he's dating her and then she's, but let me ask you this.
	What if men lied about their career and then they baited a woman into a relationship and now she's invested.
	Okay.
	And then now three months after she's already fucked him and she's invested in the relationship, there is a ref he reveals BTW.
	I'm actually not an attorney.
	I work at McDonald's, but now you're already here.
	Can I make a comment on that real quick?
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm going to forget what I'm going to say, but yeah.
	Sorry, this one's really quick.
	That actually affects people's relationships, whereas makeup doesn't affect the relationship.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So you're saying makeup.
	Okay, wait, hang on.
	So the man lies about the job, says he's an attorney, and then he works at McDonald's.
	Okay, that affects our day-to-day life.
	That affects if I can marry this man, because I'm not a person like, I don't care.
	We just need to make enough that we can be living in California and all that stuff.
	I don't need to date someone who makes $500,000 a year.
	But the makeup thing, you meet me the first day.
	By the week, you should know what I look like without makeup or not.
	Not necessarily.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So why are we even, you shouldn't be dating someone that isn't going to show you their true self?
	Like you should, they should send you a photo or something in the beginning.
	Like, why are you going to keep talking to someone if they haven't shown?
	Like, that's kind of weird to not send a photo how you look.
	You do what I'm saying?
	Okay, for me.
	Like the job thing and that is so separate.
	Like also, I won't be dating because we'll like the personality.
	So if you're looking for somebody just because they are attractive or not, you don't really look for the personality.
	Exactly.
	Like I really will date anyone.
	I tell my friends, I don't care if you're a lip miss and an arm, if you're whatever, I don't care.
	Whatever you look like.
	That's genuine.
	I'm not kidding.
	As long as I don't want to take care of you because I take care of my mom and that's just that might sound rude, but I've done that my entire life, be a caregiver.
	So that's the only thing I won't be a caregiver for my partner.
	But I don't care what you physically look like.
	I mean, as a fat person, I don't think I should judge other people.
	But also, like, why is it such a big deal?
	I care about what's in here, how they treat me, how they treat others.
	Can I change the hypothetical?
	So let's do a hypothetical where a woman has her face totally reconstructed.
	So maybe she was upset because she had a nose that was really big.
	Yeah.
	Comes from a different culture where that's very common.
	She gets her lips, her cheekbones, her nose done.
	Man is not aware that her face is totally reconstructed.
	They have a child, and the child takes on all the woman's genetic characteristics, and he had no idea.
	Why?
	Man says a story.
	There's actually a lot of people.
	That's my point.
	This is a real hypothesis.
	I think it's a Chinese couple because the lady had the whole surgery.
	Everything is done.
	And when they had kids, he kind of, I think, divorced her and stuff.
	But that's like even crazy.
	Okay.
	I feel like she should disclose that just as like her story of date.
	Like when you're dating someone, you're in this real relationship.
	You're going to have kids with someone.
	They should know everything about you.
	I don't think that should be a secret.
	But also to say, once I have a child and the child looks, has a weird nose and this, you should love their child no matter what it looks like.
	And I'm, but I'm saying, like, even then, it shouldn't even be a problem.
	But the conversation was deception.
	Yeah, that's not okay.
	Like, I think deception in that way is not okay either.
	When I'm dating someone, and I, because I do present myself like this every day, they instantly know what I look like without makeup because I think that's what you should do.
	I'm not, I'm not looking like this all the time, you know?
	I think we're moving away.
	Like, okay, so we can get into these scenarios.
	Well, okay, further on into a relationship, there will be some degree of disclosure as to what you actually look like, whether that's you saying, hey, I've had these surgical procedures or you just take off your makeup or whatever.
	But from the initial get-go, like, for example, my experience when I was on dating apps, I'm not anymore, is very often it would be the case that a woman would not post a singular photo without a filter or without makeup.
	Now, there are some women who they'll put like one like makeup list photo on, but the majority of the time, and if you look at most women's Instagrams almost universally, there's not a bunch, they're not posting a bunch of like no makeup photos on there.
	They're wearing full face of makeup and most or all of their photos.
	The deception happens very early and initially.
	So, for example, if you're at a club or, you know, whatever the context is that you're meeting, yeah, you guys are wearing full faces of makeup.
	And, but even on the dating app or whatever the context that you're meeting, I do think there is a degree of deception when it comes to makeup usage and cosmetics and plastic surgery.
	I think a majority of women wouldn't want to wear makeup anymore.
	But just like you were saying, oh, well, it takes women to not do plastic surgery, but it also takes men to say, Hey, we're going to accept you without makeup and without plastic surgery.
	We do.
	They don't.
	We literally do.
	You, my, you do.
	You're not seeing the men waiting.
	When men are poor.
	When men are look, wearing makeup and getting these procedures does confer.
	I'm not going to deny that it doesn't confer you benefits in terms of attracting men.
	Like, it just does, right?
	You are going to be appraised as more attractive when you're wearing makeup.
	Me personally, like, I prefer women without makeup, but like, I can get bamboozled too.
	I get bamboozled.
	The point I'm trying to make here is that, actually, I already lost my thought train of thought.
	So that was great.
	Wait, I actually have a question.
	Yeah.
	So, in that kind of, I guess, aspect of deceiving somebody or something, at what point do you think like somebody should disclose something?
	Because I guess not cosmetically makeup-wise or changing my body.
	But I will say, like, I don't go like posting or publicly emphasizing that I have stretch marks or loose skin from having a child.
	So, is that something that, like, as a woman that has had a baby that I should publicize just like right off the bat?
	Because, well, one, it is an insecurity.
	Like, that's a vulnerable piece of me.
	And, of course, looking at someone that, you know, has an amazing body that I might not ever fully have, like being scared to just up front and say that to a guy because how a guy will perceive that and look at it because of how like society has framed how women should look.
	So, like, is that something that I should like up front be very public about?
	I don't think you would have to like post photos of that.
	I mean, it's, I would also say, you know, you said you're, I mean, I didn't, I don't know if we really got a clear answer on if you're like 100% committed to waiting until marriage.
	I'd say in your case, there's probably other factors at play here.
	I think men are gonna, if you tell men that you've had a child, they're probably gonna make some assumptions that like you might have some like loose skin around your belly area and maybe you have some stretch marks.
	Uh, if men know about you know what happens when women have pregnancy and give birth or whatever.
	But uh, I mean, I'm my conversation is specifically about makeup and plastic surgery.
	I think it my position is fairly, you can make some arguments when it comes to makeup.
	My argument is far stronger, though, as it relates to plastic surgery.
	Uh, can I say something about plastic surgery?
	What's up?
	Um, specifically about my boobs, I had a really weird thing happen to me yesterday.
	Um, I like never go out by myself because I'm just scared of people like coming up to me.
	But yesterday, I had to go to the mall to like get white lingerie for this like white lingerie party last night.
	And so, I went to the mall by myself.
	Oh my god, who the hell cares?
	No, I promise you, this is crazy.
	So I was like, just walking around and I saw this like white dude.
	He kept following me everywhere I go.
	And like every time I would look at him, he would just be like staring at me.
	And I was like, maybe like he knows me from the internet, possibly.
	And then I like went into the drink.
	What are you looking at?
	I don't know.
	Just speak, Lear.
	Look, look, just speak straight into it.
	Speak straight into the mic.
	So I was like in Macy's looking at white laundry.
	And he finally comes up to me and he's like, Are you Chloe Yummy?
	And I'm like, yeah, like nice to meet you.
	I'm always super nice to my fans, like when I see them in person, of course.
	And he's like, are your tits real?
	And I'm like, I was like a little scared.
	And I looked down and he was like touching his dick and he had like this huge ass boner.
	And I was like, sir, bro, that's a crime.
	You should have gone to the police.
	Why are you telling me?
	You should have told this shit to the police.
	I was really scared and I started just running away after that.
	But that was honestly the weirdest encounter I ever had.
	You should have kicked him in the dick.
	It was so weird.
	Fucking karate kicked that motherfucker.
	And he was like a young guy.
	Like I thought he would be kind of normal.
	Like when he came up to me, I'm like, oh, he's like chill or whatever, but he was not.
	Wow, thank you for sharing.
	That's like a sex crime, bro.
	Shit.
	I feel that makeup is different from plastic surgery, is that like makeup is not permanent.
	Makeup comes off and plastic surgery is permanent.
	So like if someone has an ugly nose and they make like they do plastic surgery and now they have a good nose, like beautiful nose, then it's not deceptive, you know?
	Like this is something that will stick with them for life, you know?
	Like they're not misrepresenting who they are.
	Well, okay, why are people attracted to like what is the basis of attraction?
	Genetics.
	For men or for women?
	No, what is like the evolutionary reason for men finding women attractive and women finding men attractive?
	I think it's like reproduction.
	Reproduction, right?
	So Patrick raised a good argument.
	It's like, okay, well, what about one of the reasons that we find that we're, I mean, there's a bunch of reasons, but one of the reasons we want to be with somebody who is attractive is because that will confer benefits to our future children because the reality is it's way easier to move through life.
	Pretty privileged is a thing.
	So if your children are attractive, they're going to have an easier time in life.
	They're going to perhaps do better from a career perspective.
	They're going to have an easier time finding a partner.
	We all want to set our children up for the best life possible.
	And if we can mate and match with somebody who's attractive, that's going to confer privilege to our children.
	My mom did that.
	She's like a pretty well-known model and she was working with elite management and like she wanted to have a baby and she like seeked out like genetics of like another male model to have me kidding.
	What well I was, I was a child model in New York and stuff, but I don't know, I just became an OnlyFans girl really sad.
	So that was done through in vitro fertilization.
	Yeah, my mom talks about how she wouldn't have had a child with him if she didn't think he had good genetics, because she really cares about looks a lot right?
	No, they were dating Stone Air.
	It was okay.
	So she seeked out a man just for the purpose of having a baby that she, and they actually had coitas.
	They actually had sex.
	It wasn't, the way you explained it sounded like it was like in vitro, like she found, oh, those are the ideal genetics.
	Maybe all your people.
	Kind of.
	Maybe I'm not fully like making getting through to you guys.
	How would you feel if you went on a date with a guy and he had a toupee?
	Toupee.
	So he was like full bald.
	Cares.
	A lot of women care.
	I don't care.
	I know.
	I've been bald, but I need a picture of your unit because if it's going to be some small thing.
	What?
	You need a picture.
	Yeah, because you're saying deception.
	So these guys are going on dates and you think you're going to get a six to eight incher and you get a two.
	I think we're okay.
	Just like you want to reject a woman who's had any like work makeup or anything.
	I also, I require.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh my gosh.
	At least that's fair.
	There are guys that talk of a big game.
	Like they're like, oh, I'm going to do this, this, that, and the other.
	And then you get there and they're like, can I also speak on that?
	Because one thing really quick.
	I got to.
	I actually think as a guide, giving you guys some game, giving you guys some game, to her point.
	Oh, my God.
	It's a bug.
	You could just kill it if you want.
	Your ex-girlfriend being really scared by it.
	Oh, my God.
	Here's some game.
	You can't, as a guy, you can't be like lie about your piece, penis size.
	You can't lie.
	You got to actually lie the other way.
	You got to say it's smaller than it actually is.
	And then when you come in, you come in, you're setting expectation, managing expectations.
	It's kind of like you got to tell a girl you're bad in bed.
	Then, when you do a decent, like okay job, when you're like average, maybe above average, she's like, oh, okay, my expectations, I wasn't expecting much.
	And now, can I, I have a story, okay?
	I dated, my relationship, I was, I fell in love with someone before I found out how big or small.
	We're talking very, very small, unusable.
	And I was in love with this man, and I stayed with him for three years.
	Wow.
	Because I, because I'm a good person.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You're a good person.
	I'm a good person.
	And I, and I'm also very about the heart.
	And like, if you treat me, he was like movies boyfriend, like, opened every door for me, bought me anything I ever wanted, like, treated me like I was.
	I didn't make you come.
	Yes.
	So he, he lied to me before, like, didn't tell me.
	We were like talking, talking.
	I was like, what's going on?
	It's not moving any further than this.
	And I was like, sir, we're going to like have to break this barrier before I realize I can date you or not.
	And it was like two months.
	And I already loved him.
	And then he's like, oh, it might be small.
	And I was like, okay, in a man's head, small is like four or something.
	I'm like, that's workable.
	We're talking non-usable.
	Okay.
	And I stayed with him because I loved him.
	And that's why I'm not dating anyone because people lie about it.
	And that's the thing.
	You can say it doesn't matter.
	It matters.
	If you can't have sex with someone and it's that small, then it matters.
	So he wasn't able to consummate.
	Also, because I was the first fat guy I ever dated and I will never, even though I'm fat.
	Yes.
	And two fat o's do not go together.
	You can't date a fat when you're fat.
	It just doesn't work.
	I was going to ask.
	So he was fat.
	Very fat and fatter than me at the time.
	What if, what if he actually, because you were both because you were both fat?
	Your words.
	I'm just using a word.
	I'm not offended by the word fat.
	It is what I am.
	Yeah.
	Because you were both Ruben-esque.
	I want to use a word.
	I don't want to use fat.
	You can use fat.
	It's okay, Brian.
	I want to, because you were both fat.
	Big-boned.
	Oh, my God.
	That's not what I am.
	I'm fat.
	Because you were both plus size.
	Oh my god.
	Is it possible that it wasn't physically possible?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me finish.
	It wasn't the size of his penis that was the problem, but it just wasn't able to reach.
	No, that's not.
	I understand what you're saying.
	So even if it was.
	Because look, I understand.
	But let me explain.
	Two plus two does not.
	Yes, I understand.
	Because sometimes I've been with not a fat girl, but she's got big legs.
	And it's harder.
	No, what the fuck, Patrick?
	No, I've been with, like, I date, you know, fit girls.
	There you go.
	But I sometimes they be thick.
	Yes.
	And I'm, you know, I'm okay down there.
	Like, I'm average, right?
	But can't get through the thick fat.
	But I'm like, sometimes there's some positions they're so like the legs, like she got bigger legs than me.
	And the ass is like, damn, like the ass is huge, bro.
	And that's like, there's just some positions that are off.
	Yes.
	There's some positions off plus.
	Unfortunately.
	There's a couple positions off planets with a big girl.
	Yes, like a BBW.
	But like she's thick.
	Like she got cake, son.
	She's you guys.
	Okay, I understand.
	So that was like, no, we're talking, even if I was a girl's size, it's not working.
	Like, there's some things that are just not workable, and that was not workable.
	And I couldn't do anything.
	Like, it was just, I couldn't do anything.
	And I'm like, just because you're fat doesn't mean you can't.
	Like, a lot of people think fat people don't have sex.
	It's such a weird thing.
	It's not, it's a thing.
	It's hard, though.
	I can't do what she can do, but I can, I'm not like, I'm 23.
	I'm still movable.
	You know what I mean?
	I can still do stuff.
	And I also, like, we're talking big butts.
	I got a wagon back there.
	And I, there's position you can't do, but he couldn't do any of them.
	So, and I was with him for three and a half years.
	Oh, I just don't even know.
	Like, I ain't.
	I'm so sorry.
	Yeah, I'm sorry for myself.
	My friends, my mom.
	I cried to my mom when I found out because I was like, I love this man.
	He's the best guy I've ever met, but his dick is so small.
	And I was like, what do I do?
	Did you believe him?
	How do we know that?
	I do leave him.
	That's giving me like Samantha from someone.
	I just don't know what position because, like, do you have to like.
	Are we talking about when you're fat?
	Are you saying?
	Oh, my fucking God, Brian.
	I'm just saying that.
	Oh, my God.
	That's crazy.
	No.
	What are you talking about?
	It's like, okay, I get what you're saying.
	Yes, there's more than that.
	Like, is it like you got to part the Red Sea?
	Okay, men who are into big, the men that are with me don't are like not just into big women.
	They think that big women are goddesses, right?
	Like, we're a different category.
	And I think I'm very, I'm not one of those fat people that think it's not okay if you don't like fat people.
	I think it's fine.
	Stop talking like that.
	I think for sure, for sure word.
	I think it's okay.
	I think it's okay to not want to fuck a fat person.
	I'm more like, if you don't want to be my friend because I'm fat, that's weird.
	You know what I mean?
	But I'll be friends with the fat.
	You'll be my friend?
	I'm friends with myself.
	Oh my gosh.
	I gotta lose some weight.
	That's fat or am I chubby?
	You're not fat or chubby.
	You're just like dead behind.
	Yeah, you're big bones.
	I'm big bones.
	Y'all chuckling back in your chest.
	Oh my gosh.
	So you're saying, how does fat sex work?
	Is that what you're asking me, Brian?
	Just say it out loud.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So I understand.
	There's some things it's not maybe as fun and you can't throw me around and all that.
	Yes, but it's doable.
	It's possible.
	And it's like a thing that people do.
	Like, it's easy.
	Fat people are flexible.
	It's not like I'm not able to move.
	You know what I mean?
	I haven't gotten to that point yet.
	I just don't, like, I'm trying to visualize it in my not you.
	Like, I'm trying to visualize it in my head.
	What is there?
	You think my stomach is covering my kuka-ku-kuka?
	No, I'm just like, even if it was like, I feel like doggy style would probably be the best angle.
	Unless they have a but I just don't even know if it's like going through a cavern back there, you know.
	I don't know if I could get there.
	You cannot.
	I know that.
	I'm sorry.
	I just think, like, there's such a thing as too much.
	Ask?
	Ask.
	Yeah, I got too much ask.
	I don't think, like, and I could be full masked and I just can't reach.
	I don't think I could reach.
	It's okay.
	Not all of us can reach it.
	It's okay.
	I don't think I could.
	And that's okay to admit.
	I'm glad you're admitting that.
	But some people can.
	And those are the people that I wait.
	So what size do you like?
	Let's like this.
	It's not more like leg.
	It's literally about like what's going to work.
	Like, did you see me walk in?
	That thing is huge, okay?
	So 80 inches.
	And it's a very big one.
	And that is a lot of things to get through, you know?
	So it's more like what is going to work and be concise.
	Like, do you need like four steps to like.
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	This is craziness.
	No.
	I just don't know.
	A five is perfectly fine.
	Anything below five is not going to work.
	I won't feel.
	But anything above?
	Hey, sorry, boys.
	I'm sorry, boys.
	But I mean, it's.
	I'm just kidding.
	People are like, what's your type?
	I'm so intrigued.
	My type.
	I like everything.
	I like everything and everyone.
	I'm also into women.
	So I'm, I say I'm down.
	That's what I am.
	That's dope.
	Yeah.
	So wait, you won't deal with a fat guy, though.
	It's, I'm attracted to every, like, I was attracted to this man.
	This man was like, if we're talking about rating and all this stuff that you like to do, this man was like a two or three, but to me, he was a 10.
	Like, when I'm in love with someone, I don't care what you look like.
	I am in love.
	I think you're the hottest person ever.
	Like, that's why when I, the whole rating thing, when Andrew, Andrew talks about why man rates are a six, you should think the person you're with is a 10.
	No matter what, even if, like, we're talking about like, oh, this person's on the cover of Vogue, obviously she wouldn't be on the cover of Vogue, but she should be a 10 to him.
	You know what I mean?
	So if he was a 10 to me, man, what do you mean, man?
	It's not about facts.
	Well, speaking, you know, thank you for bringing up the rating thing.
	I think I'm surprised.
	I hate this such a M1 Grand.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on the scale of one to 10.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting, why don't we start with you?
	Go ahead.
	You said rate myself 10, and I think every other woman, man, should rate themselves a 10.
	So 10 for you?
	And everyone's a 10 in my eyes.
	Chloe?
	A six.
	Girl.
	Into the mic?
	Into the mic?
	Five.
	Five.
	I'd probably say six, too.
	Seven.
	You can't pick six.
	I would say between six and eight, depending like on the day.
	Like makeup, no makeup, how my skin looks.
	What about right now?
	Um, maybe seven, maybe, like, uh, seven and a seven and a half.
	See, this is like crazy.
	Six or eight.
	You gotta pick six or eight.
	You have to do that by yourself.
	Six or eight.
	Right now.
	I hate this question.
	Can I do 6.9?
	Nope.
	So stupid.
	I guess.
	Full numbers.
	No, no worries.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	Let's do eight.
	Eight.
	Okay.
	Um, six.
	Okay.
	Five.
	Patrick, what do you rate yourself?
	Since we can't choose seven, I'll just boost my ego and I'll say I'm an eight.
	Okay, I give myself a five.
	Sticking with that one?
	Give myself a five.
	So we have a ten.
	We got the oh my god, it's all about that.
	If we're talking about real, okay, please let me talk about this topic.
	So if we're talking about realistic, because I'm a very realistic person, I know that when I go outside, not everyone's gonna think I'm attractive, and that's okay.
	I'm realistic.
	But when you're talking about rating yourself, I feel like every individual should feel that they're a 10.
	They should feel that about themselves.
	That's the best way to live.
	I don't, if we're talking, if like I had to come to realistics, right?
	And you're like, do you think you could be on the cover of Vogue?
	I know that I can't, right?
	That's okay.
	But and also, if we're, if I'm having to rate myself, if someone's like, has a gun to my head and they're like, rate yourself, give me a number.
	I could give myself a number.
	But as myself, I rate myself a 10 because I know who I am and I know what I'm about and that's what I give myself.
	But I'm also realistic.
	So.
	Would you rate me?
	Huh?
	I love this question.
	I think with the beard, you're like a seven, eight without the beard.
	I think like a six.
	I just rate yourself because you rate everyone else.
	I'm giving you a rating.
	Well, I think I think you're a 10, though.
	My ass.
	You know what I mean?
	No, but you just said I was a six.
	No, because you are very like, you will tell girls that they're, you know what I mean?
	So I'm giving you the same energy back.
	But in my eyes, you're a 10.
	I feel like Brian probably wears the beard because, like, my ex-husband, if he shaved his beard, he just had the baby face.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, that's why the beard, I feel like when I see girls taking their makeup off, I've seen more dramatic beard shavings than makeup taking off of things.
	Like, you think it's a haircut?
	No, literally, a man taking off his beard is like gain champions.
	That's what I'm saying.
	When do you think you should tell a girl that you can, like, a picture of you before?
	I have, like, most of my Instagram is me with the beer.
	Well, not you, I'm saying in general.
	Like, well, I guess you, and in general, like, do you think a man should have to, if they have a beard, they should do the same thing?
	I feel like I don't think beard is a fair comparison to makeup.
	Why is it?
	Why is it like the man thing, though?
	Like, why is it like when it is a very big difference?
	When you have no beard on and when you have a beard on, you look very different, and that's okay.
	I think it's a little without the beard.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Chloe.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	I like the beard.
	Beards are cool at all, but like, it's not a similar comparison.
	Why?
	Well, but it's a part of his body.
	The beard hides off your face.
	I understand it's natural, but the way it changes your, we're talking about changing appearances, right?
	Maybe a fourth of the face, but the beard, one, it's natural, so it's not something that's artificial, right?
	So that, I mean, that's one of the big differences that I would say.
	Why do you want women to rate themselves one through ten?
	What does it give you?
	What do you think it does for people?
	Why do you think we need a rating?
	Like, what is this segment even about?
	You know what I mean?
	Because I go around the circle and this woman calls herself a five, and that makes me want to cry because you're not a five.
	You're hot as shit.
	And you're hot.
	You guys are all hot as shit.
	And then a woman thinking themselves as a five is so sad to me.
	Because I think you only get one life and you should yourself feel like you're the hottest girl in the world.
	You don't think you're better than anyone, right?
	You can think you're hotter than everyone, but also not think you're better.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	You can live on the same plane.
	You can still think like you're pretty and not be condescending and not be realistic.
	Like this show is always about realistics, realistic.
	It's like, who cares?
	I don't care.
	But I also think like I can be realistic and not care what others think about my approach.
	Absolutely.
	I don't need to feel pretty.
	Okay.
	In the way you feel about yourself and the potential of who you can be, it can be separate from how you compare to the general population.
	And I think the point of the segment, the reason why people like it, is because it gets back to the attention economy and how social media has altered the way in which women perceive themselves based on the amount of attention they can get.
	And so men, we just don't live in that world.
	I can't post selfies of myself and garner an audience.
	That's just not how it works.
	Maybe for a few people.
	That's not your body.
	Who's more on Brian's guys right now?
	But even bodybuilders, it's like men, anybody who works out, know it's men that congratulate you or appreciate your fitness more than women do.
	So it's like the whole idea you get fit for women.
	Rarely ever does a woman come up and say, wow, you have great shoulders or whatever it may be.
	But we also have gay for pay.
	So well, that's a wholly different dynamic.
	You're talking about homosexuals, then that's a totally different.
	I'm not homosexual.
	Gay for pay?
	Yeah.
	That sounds pretty gay and homosexual to me.
	Just because the act is, doesn't mean they are.
	I think it was integrated for pay.
	Like you're straight and yeah, behavior dominate.
	Again, I'm not going to go based on what somebody labels themselves as.
	I'm going to go based on what their behaviors are.
	But it's still winning over favor of men.
	Sure, and I'm sure there's lesbian for pay.
	I don't know.
	I'm not in that world.
	But anyways, my point in regards to the segment is because Women typically historically, like let's say the average five male and the average five female, they would get together and have a family.
	But because of the way social media has altered the perception, the self-perception of women is the average five is like really waiting for the seven, the eight, the nine.
	And this is why then it's interesting for people to watch the show and see how women rate themselves to see like where how realistic are they in regards to like the actual full-spectrum dating market.
	I understand.
	So you think when you say a five and a sound like you don't think that a hot person and a five like can coincide or like they could absolutely.
	My point is though, that's why the average man is having such a difficult time of finding a woman to actually build a family with.
	Because the average woman probably has had one night stands, promiscuous encounters with men that are more attractive than the man that she could actually form a long-term relationship with.
	See, that's what I'm saying.
	When you say actually form, actually, like, you mean like, why can't they form someone with someone that's like a lot of people that talk to me are like people who are into big women, they're the tens of the tens.
	They're the hottest people.
	Like, I've seen a lot of people who come who are plus size that come on this podcast, and people think that that's not the truth.
	It is like people that look like you, you're a very attractive man, hit on me all the time.
	And that's just the reality of it.
	And does that mean I'm taking away from the average man of like because I'm fat, I have to be with someone who's average?
	Like, do you guys have a fat?
	You don't have to.
	No, and maybe, again, the category where these men find you as a, you know, a fat queen, maybe that, well, that's kind of the way you phrased it earlier.
	So I'm just a goddess, a goddess.
	However, you want to phrase it.
	Okay, so that, again, that's kind of the exception to the rule.
	But generally speaking, this is why it's so difficult in the dating market for average people to find average people.
	And women have, because you guys have access to sex and you have that leverage, and then men are so lustful and simpy and can't control themselves.
	I mean, you guys are able to have experiences with people that the average man is not having, he's not having one-night stands with the female eight and thinking, you know what, maybe I'm a five, but one day I could actually, you know, settle down with an eight.
	We're just more realistic.
	Men are forced to deal with reality, and women are able to live in the world that men construct and kind of be shielded from it.
	See, even being in that manner of like, I'm going to end up with an eight, like, I don't even think like that.
	Like, I don't think like this is who, you know what I mean?
	Like, I just date who I date, and if they're a four or whatever, like, even like the fact that we're talking about a number scale on someone's looks, I just hate that in general.
	Like, that someone is a number.
	Like, why does it matter?
	Like, well, it shouldn't be.
	It's a bigger issue of how, like, you know, looks is such a big thing in the world, and it's just crazy that it runs, but it will always be like that.
	Yeah, it's just a superficial way to kind of view how people perceive themselves in relationship to the general market of dating.
	Yeah.
	And, like, you know, couples finding other people.
	So, yeah, I mean, no matter what number you are, that shouldn't diminish your human worth or who you are as a person.
	And I don't think anybody watching this thinks that's the case.
	What the people watching this are interested in is like, what do the chicks think about themselves?
	Because they probably have some type of rating and they want to see if it concords with reality.
	Or again, they live in a fantasy world where everybody's a 10 and everybody, and that's fine if you have that personal belief in yourself.
	I think that's great to be self-confident.
	But the reality of it all is that we all are on a spectrum of appearance and attractiveness.
	Of course.
	And even the 10, it's not like all people are attracted to what would be the prototype 10.
	Yeah.
	But typically, statistically, probability, on average, people date and marry the people on their same level.
	And the problem is for young men is they can't get the woman that's on their level because they're constantly focused upwards on this dating spectrum because of the attention that they get online.
	Makes sense.
	I don't know.
	In the adult industry, I've noticed that like BBW is a very consistent niche.
	Like, I've noticed that when I gained a little bit of weight, like, I got more scenes, and I got more action.
	Not saying I like got to the BBW level, but I fluctuate weight.
	I'm a thick girl.
	So, I'll speak for the thick girlies.
	And couldn't that be because the average man is wanting to fantasize about somebody that they think is actually like potentially realistic for them?
	Possibly, but I also think that it's like a like, I don't know, just it's a scary, like, yeah, it's a huge fetish, like a huge fetish.
	I don't think you guys understand, like, how big I am.
	I probably don't understand.
	You guys don't, there's two, like, because obviously I understand of everyone.
	Like, there's two different ends of it.
	There's people who fetishize us, and it's like literally only about our actual fat.
	Like, they don't care about us.
	They care about like my belly.
	It's weird.
	Like, and that is a whole nother section of it.
	But there's also people who are just into women and a person, and they're into me as a person, you know what I mean?
	And that's a whole nother thing.
	Like, they'll date anyone.
	But I feel like a lot of people say that there's not lots of men out there for bigger women.
	Not a lot of people, like, it is huge.
	So many people like big women, your brothers, your cousins, your dad, your uncle, everyone.
	And you might hide it and you might not, and that's okay if you're not like in high school.
	Like, I didn't get a lot of guys talking to me in high school because they were embarrassed, right?
	It's like I had a lot of friends.
	I was very popular in high school, but I didn't, the dating scene was not a thing for me.
	When I got out of high school, the gates flooded open, you know what I mean?
	Because they felt like not insecure to like hold my hand out in public.
	It's more of like a school thing, like their friends picking on them and stuff like that.
	When they grow up and they realize that they have their own decisions and they can make their own choices and they realize that they actually have always liked bigger women and it's not a bad thing, like it's different.
	Like you, you look like you're very physical and you like to like to go on hikes and stuff.
	I understand that someone might not want to be with me because I physically can't, I'm not going on hikes every day.
	I can go and go to universal and walk the park all day and that's fine.
	There's things I can do, but I'm also not going on bike rides and doing all these things.
	And I understand my lifestyle might not match their lifestyle and that's completely okay.
	But, and also you might not be attracted to me and that's okay too.
	But to be like acting like this is not a reality of like people.
	No, I'm not saying you are.
	I'm saying people.
	It is such a reality.
	Whenever I go out, I get hit on all the time.
	More than I feel like skin, because I feel like they want, they think I want it more because I am big.
	But it's like all the time, you know what I mean?
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	You know what?
	I don't think it's a fetish because if you think about it, historically, women didn't used to be skinny.
	Like women used to be like much fatter than you see nowadays.
	Well, I feel like there's different levels of it.
	Like when it's my side, you were seen as thoroughly.
	You were seen as like bigger.
	But no one was able to see that.
	Certain historical periods.
	Yeah, certain historical periods.
	But I mean, you look at like, you're talking about statues in Greek culture.
	Yeah, they weren't like stick thin.
	They had some curves, but they were not like anywhere approaching obese.
	They weren't the best, but they had the body.
	You know, in the Russian culture, like, we're from Russia.
	It was considered to be beautiful for a woman to be fat.
	I would say, again, Russia?
	Yeah.
	Russia is my russia.
	I'm sorry if you're a used to be.
	Yeah, it used to be not.
	Who cares about what you're doing?
	And I'm saying, like, we're still wired the same way.
	No, Okay.
	It's not wired, though.
	Wired is being attracted to healthy bodies.
	Obesity is not healthy.
	When you're talking, what you're talking about.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	What you're talking about is not wired.
	You're talking about a specific social phenomenon in like feudal Europe where there was mass amounts of poverty and most of the peasantry was like hungry and starving.
	And so a woman who was obese perhaps was an indicator that she came from a wealthy family.
	And that is the basis of like, it was a social construct and a determination of like, okay, well, she's well-fed, so that's the basis perhaps for the attraction.
	But there's not a wiring for men to be attracted to fat women.
	But the thing is that, like, the basis for attraction is for production, right?
	Yes.
	So, like, if a woman is very, very skinny, she's not successful.
	That wouldn't disprove my claim.
	Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you to successfully have a child, you need to have some curves.
	Like, you need to have some wider.
	My mom is so skinny.
	And she, yeah, that's not true.
	I think she's hips thing.
	Yeah, I think she if you have traditionally, if you have wider hips, it can be easier to give birth.
	She has wide hips, but she's skinny.
	I don't know.
	But the point, generally speaking, in regards to like the statuary you're referring to, those aren't fat women.
	And yeah, they may have some body fat on them, but it was a signifier of fertility.
	So when we're talking about like obese people, this is later in European history, and this had to do with kings presenting themselves.
	Hold on, Can you hold on?
	Don't change, please.
	Can you fix your top, please?
	To any art museum.
	Like, you see all these paintings, and you're like, well, this woman needs to be.
	Yeah, the Mona Lisa, she wasn't super skinny, but she also wasn't obese or fat.
	Right, but like by modern standards, like that's not, you know.
	I just don't.
	Also, I mean, I don't know if like depictions in ancient art or like statues is necessarily, I don't know if we can draw anything necessarily from that.
	But quick thing.
	Okay, so you, you're 10.
	I say as my own self, I kind of said to piss these people off, but I also feel like, like I said, I'm realistic, but I think of myself as a 10.
	Okay.
	And you said I was a six.
	I think you're a good-looking man, Brian.
	I don't think you're ugly.
	But you would be settling for me.
	Like, you would be doing me a favor.
	Yeah, I would be doing you a favor.
	Yes.
	No, no, is that?
	No, genuinely.
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I don't like rating people.
	No, but would you feel like, from a physical perspective, that you would be settling for me?
	No.
	Because I rated myself a 10, are you saying?
	Okay, that's why I'm saying this brain.
	Doesn't have to be the case, though.
	I get what you're saying.
	But I don't think you're less attractive than me because I rated myself a 10.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	Like, I think I am a 10, but I don't think.
	You said that was a 6.
	That's what I'm saying.
	This thing is so stupid.
	Because, like, I feel like we shouldn't even be.
	This shouldn't even be a topic or, like, a discussion.
	But.
	Well, women rate men all the time on a variety of measurements and factors.
	Measurements literally.
	Wait, but hold on.
	Like, I'll give you perspective.
	You said that you would not date another fat man.
	And that's a determination based on the measurement of his weight.
	No, but we're talking about physical manifestation.
	No, see, that's the thing.
	I would date a man that's fat if I was skinny.
	We're talking about like real.
	Right, but in practice, for technicality reasons.
	Yes.
	For practicality reasons.
	Yes.
	It just doesn't work.
	Yeah.
	So what are you saying?
	What are you asking?
	But I'm saying you make determinations in terms of who you will date or what you I don't want to say you probably find do you find fat men attractive?
	Yeah, I find anyone I find so many people attractive.
	I won't misrepresent you.
	I don't think I'm, my brain is wired differently than a lot of people.
	I think that.
	If you make assessments based on who you're going to partner with based off of measurements, will you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	It depends on how much shorter.
	I don't mind.
	I would rather the same height and like maybe two inches is the most I would do.
	How tall are you?
	I'm like 5'7.
	See, that's hot.
	If you date a guy who's 5'6.
	Yeah, I would.
	Is it your preference, though?
	No, but I'm not.
	What's your preference?
	Tall.
	But I would date someone who's shorter.
	If I'm in love with that.
	your preference though no but it's not your you wouldn't date a fat person that's your preference And that's okay.
	How big is the labia?
	If she has a big labia, I might give her a break.
	Did we just say big labia?
	I only date women with large labia.
	Do you have a large labia?
	Who's asking?
	I don't know.
	I'm glad I didn't get over classy.
	I don't have any penis size preferences.
	I do too.
	Well, do you think that's a good idea?
	Okay, do you think it's okay?
	You don't think it's okay to have a penis preference?
	Because in my scenario, I didn't have sex for three and a half years because I was in love with this man, and that's not okay.
	I don't think that's okay.
	If you can't have sex with someone because their penis is too small, that's okay to have a preference.
	I think if like...
	Wait, so my preference is not okay?
	No, I did say what preference?
	You not wanting to be with a fat person?
	No, I was talking about labia.
	Oh, I think, okay.
	See, that's the thing.
	Labia is more like visual.
	Penis is more like physical.
	You can't.
	That's true.
	That is true.
	A labia isn't making the sex be worse.
	Like, okay.
	What is a labia doing that's getting in the way of the fornicating?
	No, it doesn't get in the way.
	It does change.
	It doesn't matter.
	There we go.
	How much labia do you like?
	I want Guinness World Record level labia.
	Yeah.
	So, see, but then your nonprofit says, what was that again?
	Big labia and big labia matters.
	See, big labia matters.
	What does that mean?
	Like big heights?
	No, it's the outie versus any.
	The little fluff-lops, you know what I mean?
	But Patrick's loving this conversation.
	can't compare the two like i also don't think it's okay to judge someone off of any like okay if they have a no these are fine i i'll Innies are cool.
	See, this is a comparison.
	I have a preference for Audis.
	Okay, that's fine.
	But I feel like, oh, I feel like the comparison's like an ugly penis or a non-usable penis.
	Like, we're talking about size or the way it looks.
	Like, a big labia is like an ugly penis in your comparison.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	Like, if someone had a non-do you know what I'm saying?
	Like, some people don't.
	Okay, let me.
	All small penises are micro penises where it's like practically impossible to have.
	True, of course.
	But I'm saying if it's anything between, like, for me, I can't have intercourse with certain sizes, so that's not a choice.
	It's like, that's just what it is.
	You know what I mean?
	But I wouldn't not date someone because they had an ugly looking one.
	Like, if it works and it's usable, I don't care what it looks like.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I feel like that's more judgy than like saying it's about the size.
	Why are you acting like that doesn't make sense?
	The size of it is like you physically can't do stuff.
	The look of it is like judging.
	That's the same thing of a big labia.
	That's the same thing.
	So do you object to my preference?
	No, I think you're allowed to feel how you want and not like I don't, who cares?
	Yeah, but I mean, look, women make all kinds of assessments when it comes to men and if they're going to be attracted to them based on various literal measurements.
	Penis size, height, their physicality.
	It could be also what else?
	Oh, like hair.
	If they are balding, women typically prefer men with a full head of hair.
	But you guys do the same thing, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	But women have an issue when men make judgments.
	You know, we'll rate women based on the scale, but like women will literally say, I won't date a guy.
	Not all women, but will say, I won't date a guy unless he's six feet.
	That's literally a judgment call based off of a measurement, off of a guy's height.
	But that's the same thing of saying, I want to date someone who's fat.
	I wouldn't date someone who's, because not my size, because this is a different category.
	We're talking about like, if she, if you're really standing, like, if you gain like, if so, if you're in a relationship with someone so small and they gained 50 pounds, are you going to break up with them?
	Like, that's a, that's 50 pounds?
	Yeah, possibly.
	That to me is, I mean, I might not.
	That's the thing.
	You're allowed to do that, but I feel like unless they're physically like changing, like how I said at this size, I can't match you if you want to be hiking and doing all these things.
	And that's a lifestyle thing.
	But your partner gains 50 pounds, and you're going to break up with her.
	What would be wrong with the reasons why they gain 50 pounds?
	What would actually be wrong with it, though?
	See, I don't know.
	To me, I'm not saying it's wrong for you.
	I'm saying to me, I would not do that.
	And to me, that just is crazy.
	Like a 50-pound difference.
	I think maybe 100 pounds, 200, that's crazy.
	Like, that's a very big difference.
	But 50 pounds is like very easily lost.
	I feel like.
	I mean, honestly, I know people who have differences on this.
	I don't think it would actually be wrong for a guy to break up with a woman even if she lost, or even if she gained 10 pounds.
	Okay, so you'd have to make a compelling argument for why it would be wrong to do that.
	Because women break up with men for a bunch of totally benign, arbitrary reasons all the time.
	Like, this is the thing where I was saying, like, everyone is allowed to feel how they feel.
	Like, I can't tell you in my life, I would not do that.
	I would not break up with someone if they gained 10 pounds, whatever.
	I don't think I would break up with a girl if she gained 10 pounds either.
	Yeah.
	If she gained 50 pounds, then it's a different story.
	That fat bitch gotta go.
	I might, I might not.
	Okay, sure, what are the reasons?
	Why did she gain 50 pounds?
	Was it depression?
	Was it a change of lifestyle?
	There could be a lot of reasons that could contribute to a factor of why maybe the relationship is being stressed because of the weight gain.
	So, within your hypothetical, there's a lot of other factors that could easily contribute to why, yeah, maybe this isn't working.
	Man, this girl's sunburned as fuck.
	Holy shit.
	Sorry, guys.
	God damn.
	It's literally turning purple.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	Were you at the beach today?
	Yesterday.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
	No, it's all good.
	I was just saying there's a lot of other factors that could easily contribute to a rational reason why the relationship may end over 50 pounds because that is a dramatic increase in somebody's, especially if you're already dating them and you have a lifestyle and expectations.
	So there's a lot of factors that can contribute.
	A couple things to kind of wrap up on the rating one to ten thing.
	Hey, can I ask him a question really fast?
	About what?
	I was just going to ask you: are you on steroids?
	I am not on steroids.
	I am totally natural.
	Okay.
	DPH is 190 pounds of muscle steel and sex appeal.
	There is no steroid.
	This is all natural.
	Are you on steroids?
	Do I look like I'm on fucking steroids?
	I don't know.
	Shit, maybe I should be.
	I don't know what's under that hoodie.
	I have no idea.
	What the fuck?
	But you asked why it matters.
	Why do I do this rating thing?
	You kind of object to it.
	It's a check for humility, a check for humbleness.
	Yeah.
	And then a check for are you delusional?
	Are you delusional?
	And I think that women assess female attractiveness very generously and they assess male attractiveness very harshly.
	One of the ways that this manifests, though, and there's a clear difference between men and women on this, is that women have short-term sexual access to men who are outside of their league.
	So for example, as a woman, if you make yourself sexually available to a guy who's just outside of your league, I don't know, maybe you guys reject leagues, right?
	But you make yourself sexually available to a guy who's outside of your league, he'll take you up on it.
	You might get a one-night stand.
	You might get friends with benefits that could last weeks or months.
	You might get a situationship, which could last weeks or months.
	You might get a fuck buddy, whatever it is.
	Very, very unlikely to ever result in like legitimate long-term commitment.
	But you can get that level of access to men who otherwise would never commit to you.
	As a man, if I step to a girl who is clearly outside of my league and I'm not being like weird, I'm just, maybe I'm just pleasant and I'm, hey, I'm sexually available for you.
	I don't get sexual access and no men ever, rarely will get sexual access in a limited capacity in the same way that women get sexual access and limited capacity to men who are just clearly, obviously out of their league.
	And this is dangerous in a couple ways.
	So this is why women end up in situationships and dealing with fuckboys and all this sort of stuff.
	Look, it's a difficult situation to navigate.
	We all want to get the best that we can get.
	And if we can get somebody who's like, hey, we'd be lucky to get them, we want to go for that.
	The difference is, is men tend to have a more realistic approach to this.
	It's like, I don't think that I could sleep with women outside my league.
	And I don't think this is a confidence thing.
	This is a reality thing.
	This is a practicality thing.
	Men get rejected on the front end.
	Men get rejected instantly.
	If I step to a girl who's more attractive than me, I don't get a conversation.
	I don't get a kiss.
	I don't get a first date.
	I don't get sex.
	I don't get strung along for a couple of weeks, whatever.
	I don't get anything.
	Women, if you make yourself sexually available to men who are more attractive than you, you'll get something, but you won't get what you really want, which is commitment.
	And so what ends up happening is, imagine if this was the case.
	Let's say there was from average men, average dudes from the age of 20 to 30, let's say that they could consistently have sex with supermodels or just women who say a guy of five, he can get, he can regularly sleep with women who are eight, nines, and tens.
	Why would he ever, like, would he ever want to, look, there are some guys who are relationship-minded, but you take like the average fucking gooner.
	Why would he ever get into a relationship when he has a steady flow of sex with women who are more attractive than the women that he can get into a relationship with?
	The reality is that doesn't happen for any men, but it happens all the time for women.
	All the time.
	And then what ends up happening, you start as women playing this comparison game.
	And some of these guys, they'll keep you around for sex and they might even not be upfront about their intentions because they want to keep you for sex.
	So they might dangle the potential of a relationship and they might not ever tell you something like, by the way, on the basis of your looks alone, I will never be in a relationship with you, but I'll keep you around for sex.
	And, you know, maybe if you have a pleasant personality, I don't, you're not terrible to spend some time with, but you'll never, I never want to be monogamous with you or I never want to marry you or I never want to have kids with you on the sole basis of your physical appearance.
	Guys will keep you.
	They'll keep you in that situation for a bit.
	And so you could either, you could either be viewing that and think, okay, well, this is my league.
	I'm able to get this quality of guy for short-term sex.
	I deserve that for a long-term relationship.
	One sec.
	I deserve that for a long-term relationship, but you keep, yeah, it doesn't work with this guy.
	You go to the next guy doesn't work.
	Next guy doesn't work.
	Next guy doesn't work.
	And then all of a sudden, you're so used to a certain attractiveness of men.
	And this could be looks.
	It could be status.
	It could be other factors.
	But I'm just looking at it from the component of looks.
	And then you look at the guy who's actually in your league, who's your looks equivalent, and you think, whoa, you're just not attracted to him.
	You don't want to be in a relationship with him.
	You think you're settling for him.
	Maybe you finally, like, fuck, I'm 30.
	I need to have kids.
	Okay, I'm going to get into a relationship with this dutiful boyfriend who's like, I'm not even attracted to.
	There's going to be a dead bedroom in the relationship.
	There's going to be growing resentment.
	Divorce is coming.
	And I just think, look, y'all, y'all on the cock carousel?
	On the cock carousel.
	Cock carousel.
	Cock carousel.
	And you're dealing with dudes who you can get sex from them.
	It's like, have you ever, have you ever.
	Did you go to college?
	I went for a little bit, but I. Did you live in the dorm room?
	No, I didn't.
	Okay.
	So it's like, imagine living in a dorm room with four other people and you got bunk beds, right?
	And then, and then you have an experience of living in a mansion.
	It's really hard to go from living in a mansion and having your own room and your own bathroom to going back to having three roommates, not housemates, three roommates.
	In that same way, once women deal with a certain caliber of guy, it's hard to go back to the normal dude who's actually, that's the dude you should have been dealing with.
	That's the dude in your league.
	Brian, may I actually try to change your perspective?
	Because you talking about, you know, women going for the hotter guys.
	But if I think a lot of people, men and women, will be looking for personalities for the character.
	So like if I, when I was single, would go out on a date, I never rated a man, oh, he's whatever, and rated the personality.
	I think if we're gonna looking at perspective of how good is the person and the person's character, it does not matter.
	Like I, I don't have night, I never had one night stance because that's not my cup of tea at all.
	At all.
	Never.
	I swear, never.
	I do not hook up.
	I do not believe, like, I don't judge the hookup culture because I don't judge anybody who can do whatever they want to do with their body.
	But I am a serious, I always will look, seek out a serious relationship.
	So I'm not interested in anybody who's going to say, oh, I'm one of casual.
	Okay, we're going different paths.
	Yeah, yeah, what's the shortest?
	Okay.
	Of a guy that you have slept with, they've all lasted like three years.
	You're telling me you've never slept with a guy and it only lasted a couple weeks, a couple months.
	That's never happened to you.
	So my ex-boyfriend, we were good friends for years.
	And then we got into the relationship when, you know, I was single, we were hanging out a lot.
	So we had the relationship, but as a relationship, you know, like a girlfriend and boyfriend, we didn't work out.
	But I had never was in a relationship that was like a hookup or just like casual or something temporary.
	If you were, let's just say, if I, when I was in Bumble and I saw the guy looking for casual, I'm not interested in that guy.
	Another thing, like when you say about, like, actually, I do not like extremely hot, handsome guys because more than likely, just like you said, they're gonna hurt you.
	So I always avoid those kind of men because it's like, I know what I'm looking for.
	I would like to be in a serious relationship.
	I would like to be in love with the man.
	And I would like to build something if we can live together, be together, get through those, you know, if there's any confrontations, frictions, because people can have all friction at the beginning to get used to each other.
	But I would never go for a really hot guy because just like you said, you're going to get hurt.
	Okay, well, I think this is a bit dubious, but try to look from perspective.
	Let's just say I'm single, you're single, and we met when Bumble, right?
	I would never be like, oh, this guy is like a five.
	No.
	I would be like, let me see what is his morals, what is his moral conhaves, how nice he is.
	That's what I'm judging.
	And like she said, I actually agree.
	The moment I'm going to be seeing a personality and how nice you are and sweet and loving and caring.
	Physical attraction almost always comes first.
	You can do this cope of like personality.
	Let me ask you a couple questions.
	So you said you were divorced and you've been in a relationship for two years.
	How tall is your boyfriend?
	Well, he's over six feet, but that's not why.
	How tall is your boyfriend?
	Like six, I know exactly six.
	I know he's centimeters.
	Tell me centimeters.
	Maybe six two.
	I don't know.
	Six one.
	Oh my god.
	But our friend Shancha.
	It's all right.
	I gotta fix it.
	Okay.
	I want to get up now, babe.
	We can keep helping.
	I see where you are.
	I see what you're saying, though.
	Like, I don't know.
	I love humor.
	Like, humor really gets me every time.
	Like, you could be, like, I don't know.
	Honestly, like, really hot guys, like, tens, I don't know, guys who, like, when guys think that they're hot, I'm like, ooh.
	Yeah.
	But you.
	Like, you can't think you're hot, but that's just, I don't know.
	But I think that also goes, like, making sure that you're taking care of your mental health to be able to recognize those things and find what are the characteristics and priorities in a relationship that you want.
	Because if you are just going for looks, it's more than likely because you haven't, you know.
	You haven't matured, you haven't grown.
	Your priority is not straight for sure.
	If you, all you're seeking out is looks and just getting in battle with those hot men in hopes you're going to build a family.
	It's kind of like you can't change somebody unless a person is willing to change, but they have to change.
	They have to go through the growth first.
	You can't be changing them or them growing with you.
	So, like I said, the guys I think need to.
	There's a lot of great guys out there that's, as you want to say, average looking.
	But the moment you show that you're loving and caring, I agree that man becomes a tenth for you because it's like, I'm in love with this man.
	He's perfect for me.
	You know, whatever the case.
	And I think if you're going in a date with that obvious person two, three, four, you're already setting yourself up for a failure because you're judging somebody based on their looks and other personality and character.
	Have you ever had like a bro or like a guy friend that you're like that you're like, why are you dating her?
	You know, like, cause she's she's like not that attractive.
	And he'll always say, yeah, but like, she's the best.
	Like they always say.
	I'm not saying personality doesn't matter, but there's massive amounts of cop happening here.
	My needs, you know?
	I mean, I think physical attraction is almost universally always going to come first.
	So I'm demisexual as well, meaning I have to, I have to like you to be.
	And that's, I mean, I know maybe it sounds cliche or whatever.
	I cannot be this person because you're handsome.
	I'm sorry, I just can't.
	I have to like you.
	Have to know that, first of all, I need to feel safe with a man.
	So, if I feel like you're a safe place, that you're caring, that you're there, like I, you know, I'm not gonna, I don't wanna leave the hot dude that's gonna be like, get the fuck out, sorry, in the morning, you know, like I'm not interested in that.
	I want that relationship, that warmth, that depth.
	And like I said, yes, I'm not disputing that there are women, some there, that there are women who care less about physical appearance of men.
	However, the reality is, is that we all want to get the best that we can get.
	I think personally, generally speaking, physical attraction is a massive part of dating.
	And if you disagree, you've thus far not made a very compelling case for this being false or not true.
	So reality is, look, to my point, the reason why I'm talking about this, she asks, why does it matter?
	Why do you ask this thing?
	If there are a subset of women who are moving through the dating marketplace and they don't have an accurate self-assessment of where they stand and they think they're more attractive than they otherwise are, look, if you're a 10 and you think you deserve a 10, you're going to be chasing a guy who is a 10.
	But you can be a 10 and let's just say, if I thought I was a 10, my goal is still going to be meeting that guy who is sweetheart and who is willing to, you know, build a family or be together, be serious in a relationship, have two dogs, whatever the goal together is.
	So it's like, even if I'm 10, I will never go and reach out, try to get somebody who's a 10.
	I want some, for me, the personality always going to hit the first spot.
	You can be Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt.
	I don't give up.
	Like, because...
	Yeah, your personality can make you ugly.
	Very.
	Very ugly.
	But you keep guys talking about these long-term relationships and things that you want.
	And you keep mentioning personality, but in regards to, like, I'm curious how many of you girls would actually want to be married.
	A couple of you said so.
	I think you said you don't want to be.
	But again, from my perspective, coming at it from a religious angle, it's like having a shared worldview is very, very important.
	And I'm watching all the secular dating, and it just seems like it's doomed to fail because it's going to be constantly a one-upping each other and trying to find something that pleasures you and satisfies you.
	And unless there's a submission to like a higher purpose.
	And that's why, you know, as a Christian, it's not hard to make the argument that we should only have like heterosexual marriage because marriage is for family production.
	That's the point of it.
	And so if you guys want to, not you guys in particular, but in general society, just want to have relationships with people in a secular circumstance, I mean, what actually are the, what's the foundation for a long-term relationship with its secular standards?
	It's really just make sure you get along with the person, make sure they satisfy me, and then that can go on and have fun together for, you know, a limited period, and then it ends up breaking apart.
	And so, like, if you, those of you girls that want to get married, like, what is the foundation that you're looking for for marriage?
	Because I just don't see without a religious context and something deeper and more meaningful that unites you, I just don't see how it can last.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	I was.
	I didn't mean to cut you off.
	No, go ahead.
	Okay.
	I have some videos actually that I think would be good for this.
	So, Nick, there is.
	Do I send?
	Yeah, you know what?
	Let's do the TikTok page.
	There's a TikTok page of a girl named Stella or something.
	Wait.
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't know what it is.
	That's why it's going to be the one where she's like outside.
	I see it in the reflection.
	Yeah, I think it's that one.
	You're going to have to like pause it and then just full screen it.
	All right, so this girl kind of went viral.
	We've pulled it up before, but I think it's interesting to bring it back up.
	She calls the chopped man epidemic.
	Hide that.
	And then start it from the beginning and then just go ahead and play it.
	What is this?
	So as we're all very much aware, we are living through a chopped man epidemic.
	And there's a big shortage of baddies.
	It's gone so bad to the point that, like, if I see an attractive man, it genuinely makes my day.
	I was walking on the sidewalk earlier and I saw a cute guy in his car.
	So I waved to him and he smiled back at me.
	And obviously he drove away after that.
	But I was like, oh my God, a cute guy?
	This was at 6:50 p.m.
	It's 7:17, and I'm still like, oh, oh my God.
	And I feel like this is going to power me through my evening.
	Like, wow, I actually saw an attractive man today.
	Like, diamond in the rough, needle in the haystack.
	Seriously.
	That's weird.
	Do you think she's maybe trolling?
	Yeah.
	It's almost like she's like a little trolling.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm going to take her at her word.
	And I mean, there is this phenomenon that I've seen on TikTok where you have these women who make videos saying, whoa, I just don't see any attractive guys.
	Maybe some of them are rage baiting.
	Maybe that's the case with that girl.
	I do think that this is a phenomenon that is not just some troll that women are doing.
	I do think that there are women who just aren't attracted to a lot of men.
	In her case, though, let's assume she's telling the truth.
	She's saying, by the way, chopped means ugly.
	So she's saying there's an ugly man.
	Yeah.
	There's an ugly man epidemic.
	Do you guys think that she's an attractive woman?
	I think it's just because our standards get higher as we grow up.
	Like when I was younger, I thought it was way easier to find an attractive guy.
	And now that I'm older, it's less likely.
	And I think it's just because my standards are higher.
	And I think it's also what we've been exposed to.
	Yeah.
	Like the more we see, the more we listen to, the more we talk.
	Look, changes.
	Is anybody here willing to say that that woman is below average looking?
	Yeah, I don't even like speaking like that.
	That's all perspective, though.
	Yeah, she's below average.
	That's why the whole rating thing I don't like.
	Shula, she's below average looking.
	Anybody?
	I agree.
	Okay, here, let's do this.
	Let's do this.
	Raise your hand if you think she's below average looking.
	Okay, raise your hand if you think she's average looking.
	Raise your hand if you think she's above average looking.
	Raise your hand if she's beautiful.
	Yes, she's beautiful.
	I think some people didn't.
	Somebody didn't raise their hand.
	You guys got to raise your hand.
	But as Christians, aren't all humans supposed to be beautiful?
	So now I'm not making a religious argument.
	Okay.
	No, he's religious.
	But I think at the base.
	There can still be differences in physical appearance.
	The aesthetics are objective.
	Yeah, I just hate even like rating.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Unless you're dating the person, why does it matter?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, to even talk.
	I'm saying, in my opinion, I don't like to talk about other people's looks unless I'm talking about her.
	Why are we so offended about rating her?
	She literally says she never sees any attractive men.
	She says that there's an ugly man epidemic.
	I think it's kind of fair when a woman comes out and says there's a bunch of ugly men.
	I think her appearance is fair game.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I'm saying me personally, but yeah, what she did was not right either.
	It's like, I would never walk up to a woman and tell her she's ugly.
	But if she's like, look at all these ugly men and she's ugly, I might say that she's ugly.
	Yeah.
	So but we have another tweet pull up because I want to give you guys perspective.
	Fair enough.
	Pull it up.
	And then maybe zoom that in a bit.
	I mean, if the take that it is serious, then of course there are priorities already.
	Hold on just one sec.
	Yeah, that video is wild.
	Pull it up.
	And then make it one bigger.
	Too much?
	Back down.
	Yeah.
	Scroll down.
	We're not going to watch it, but scroll down.
	So I, you know, yeah, scroll down.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Okay.
	If she was a dude, that's her looks equivalent.
	And she's saying, and she's that's her looks equivalent, bruv.
	Did you AI that?
	Yes, that's that's her.
	And she's.
	And he is beautiful.
	I guarantee you.
	That's literally.
	That's literally her looks equivalent.
	And she would definitely say that that dude's never giving that dude a chance.
	She's giving a little choppy chick ever, even though that's literally her male looks equivalent.
	There's more, though.
	Let's scroll down.
	That is a.
	That's a UFC fighter.
	That's a real that kind of looks like her.
	Scroll down.
	Oh my gosh, these comparisons are killing me.
	Make it smaller, Nick.
	Zoom out.
	Scroll up just a tab.
	Okay, that's crazy.
	Scroll down.
	Okay, scroll down.
	Is she still alive today?
	Scroll down.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait.
	Bro, scroll down one more.
	Right.
	I'm sorry, dude.
	She could probably fuck a new guy every single day of the week.
	This guy is probably an incel.
	That's the difference between men and women.
	Scroll down.
	Is there more?
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay.
	I don't know what the fuck that shit was.
	What?
	It was okay?
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my goodness.
	You know what, though?
	We have a fun little segment here.
	Oh, wait, first, hold on.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We have to do.
	Oh, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yes.
	Wait, can you scoop?
	You guys got scooped a little bit.
	Okay, so you're 19, better looking at 29?
	Yeah.
	39?
	No.
	29?
	Yes.
	I already asked that one.
	Okay.
	So better at 29, not 39.
	Yeah.
	You're 23, better looking in 10 years' time at 33.
	Yes, because I'm going to be not fat by then.
	I fucking hope so.
	So, yeah.
	I'm on my wheel.
	I used to be way bigger than this, so surprisingly.
	But so I'm on a weight loss journey.
	Hopefully, in 10 years, I'll be fine shit.
	May I ask, though, if you don't lose any weight, do you think you'll be better looking?
	So you say that you stay the exact same weight.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 33?
	I don't know.
	Either the same or different.
	I don't know.
	I can't tell.
	Until then.
	I feel like some people are more attractive and some people are not as attractive.
	Depends on how you age.
	Okay, 20 years' time, 43.
	Do you think you'll be better looking?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay, even if you lose weight.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	You're 29, better looking in 10 years' time at 39?
	I don't know, because I look a lot better than I did at 19.
	That's for sure.
	But also, I don't even know if I'll be here in 10 years.
	Girl, don't say that.
	What the fuck?
	You never know.
	Don't put that on, Angie.
	Okay.
	Is that like a diss towards me or you were saying what?
	No, I'm saying when I was 19, like I was on, I did two rounds of Accutane.
	Like, I had a rough there was a glow up.
	I've always had the bosom, but there was a glow up for sure.
	So.
	So, no, not better looking at 39?
	I don't think so.
	Almost like a facelift.
	You're 24, better looking in 10 years' time, 34?
	Yeah, probably.
	My mom looks identical to me, and she looked really good at that age.
	20 years' time, 44?
	Maybe not so much.
	Okay.
	You're 27, better looking in 10 years' time at 37?
	Yes.
	20 years time, 47?
	No.
	All right.
	And then were you better looking at 18 or now at 27?
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 36, better looking in 10 years' time at 46?
	Probably not, but I would like to mature gracefully.
	Okay.
	And were you better looking at 26 or better looking now at 36?
	I'm sorry.
	Could you repeat the question?
	You're 36.
	Were you better looking at 26 or now at 36?
	No, I think the 30s is the best for me.
	30s is best.
	Okay.
	You're 31, better looking in 10 years' time at 41.
	No.
	And then you're 31.
	Are you better looking now or are you better looking at 21?
	Yeah, because I was pregnant at 21.
	Oh, you have a kid?
	I have four kids.
	Oh, okay.
	You've got four kids.
	Okay.
	Well, let's say, were you pregnant at 20?
	No.
	Okay.
	Better looking at 20 or 31?
	31.
	That's pretty much.
	Okay.
	You're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32?
	Yeah.
	20 years' time, 42?
	Yeah.
	30 years' time, 52?
	30.
	Yeah.
	40 years time 62?
	Yeah.
	50 years time 72?
	No.
	When's the peak?
	60s.
	My mom.
	My mom is peaking at 60.
	I hope she's not listening, but my mother is beautiful.
	And when I had blonde hair, we looked like twins.
	And she looks like she is like 39 or 40 years old.
	Same with my mom.
	My mom looks better now than she did when she was like 30.
	That's right.
	Really?
	She looks so good now.
	And she's 60.
	She was pretty rough when she was 30.
	All right.
	That's interesting.
	Oh, okay, before we get into the reacts, we are going to, oh, to the 10.
	To the 10 is 10.
	We've got, look, I get the most beautiful women on my panels.
	You're saying it in a way like I'm saying I'm true at 10.
	Like I said, I'm realistic.
	saying as myself rating myself i think i'm a 10 but i'm also not like i just hate the rating thing Who's a guy who's a 10?
	I don't even know.
	I can't think.
	See, like, I don't.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I don't even think of people as numbers.
	That's the problem I have is like even having to have to think about it.
	Who's a guy in your league?
	In my league?
	Like, give us a male celebrity or something that you think is in your league.
	So bad when not.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Plaso Pluma.
	What's this?
	What?
	Peso Pluma?
	Peso Pluma's crazy.
	Pedro Pascal?
	Is that Jonah Hill?
	Come on at me, Jonah.
	Do you believe that ugly people exist?
	Yes.
	So who is like an ugly person?
	I don't, but that's what I'm saying.
	Like, I am realistic, but I also don't want to say it on my mouth.
	I would never call someone ugly.
	I can also say there is people who are ugly.
	I can't not say that because that's just not true.
	I'm saying as myself, I would never, like the girl on the screen, if I had a gun to my head, I can tell the truth about certain things, but I'm not going to say that because I just don't like saying that about people.
	But I'm also realistic.
	That's why the whole number thing, it's not about I think I'm a 10.
	It's more like I just don't like the rating scale in general.
	Sure.
	We're going to do a few chats.
	Then we're going to do the, we put all of you through an AI to age you, and then we did a little something extra.
	we have pasty george do you have one of me skinny please tell me can you read these into the mic a lot of men believe that women who use any makeup fake nails get body modification surgeries etc indicates high insecurity narcissism deception and predatory tendencies so much fakeness.
	Who here has lip filler?
	Just curious.
	I do not.
	Ever.
	Don't have anything.
	Swear to the god I don't believe in.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you for that, Pasty George.
	We have Based Thor.
	Guys, if you want to get your own message in, $100 read, $200 TTS.
	On behalf of Arizona, especially Phoenix area, along with Desert Joe, we don't claim Chair 3 as a representative of Phoenix, Arizona women.
	You can find her at the Blade.
	Example of 3FO mentality, shame.
	The Blade's technically from Tucson, but you know.
	I love Tucson.
	The Blade?
	I thought the Blade was in Vegas, like where you're going up to truckers selling yourself or something.
	I don't know what that is.
	That's a lot lizard.
	Lot lizard.
	It's usually just like a street where hookers are like that song.
	Pasty George, can you read this from Pasty?
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Are you doing that because you think I can't read?
	Because you always read it before it disappears.
	Okay, sorry.
	Chair six, no offense, but it's hard to take women that have tattoos seriously.
	And if they display more red flags, more red flags than their believable team.
	Thank you.
	As well as I can't fucking read.
	Credibility drops significantly.
	There we go.
	You got the girl.
	Number six.
	Thank you, Pete.
	That's you over there.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	And then.
	Yeah.
	They're beautiful.
	Your tattoos are beautiful.
	Do you think it's wrong for a guy who doesn't want to date a girl who has tattoos?
	No, it's not.
	It's a preference, and that's okay.
	Yeah.
	Who here has tattoos?
	Just show of hands.
	I have a button.
	Do you have any tattoos?
	No tattoos.
	No tattoos.
	And my tongue here is double whammy.
	I'm going to hell.
	Word.
	All right.
	We got Pasty George.
	Like I said at the last podcast, that lady who said we have a chopped man epidemic, she looks like an indigenous crackhead.
	He's First Nations, though, so he gets a pass.
	He's allowed to refer to people as Indigenous crackheads.
	All right.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Appreciate the message.
	Oh, by the way, guys, I got a big announcement.
	I should have mentioned this.
	Guys, we got a special person back on the team, boys.
	I think we got to do a little for the audience.
	He's really cute.
	Well, what the fuck, hey, chill out, bro.
	My man's, my man.
	You want to get to Nick?
	You got to go through me.
	Not like a romantic.
	Like, I'm his.
	I'm his.
	I'm the gatekeeper.
	Not like you got to date me for.
	I'm just saying, I'm the gatekeeper.
	We got Nick back, guys.
	Can we get some W's in the chat for Nick?
	Nick is back.
	Nick is back.
	Nick at night.
	Where'd he go?
	You know what?
	Oh, that was a scary place.
	You know, look, school, school can't.
	He had to get school going.
	But guys, W's in the chat.
	You guys remember Nick?
	He's the OG.
	He's OG.
	We got Nick back.
	We're keeping Mary sticking on the team, though.
	But Nick is back.
	Nickel back.
	Nickel back.
	We got Nickel back.
	Okay.
	Wick.
	W Nick.
	Okay.
	You guys remember that guy?
	Yeah, great guy.
	Great guy.
	Tall.
	He still has that same haircut, though.
	The little broccoli cut.
	What's it called?
	What's that called, Nick?
	When you go to the barber, when you go to the barber, Nick, what do you ask for?
	I told her to give me a clean cut and she did this.
	Two days ago.
	Ooh.
	Yeah, well good shit, man.
	Good to have you back.
	Okay, and everybody in the chat's like, bring Maddie.
	We should have Maddie just come through, join a panel, like for reunion.
	Anyways, where were we?
	Oh, AI.
	Okay, guys.
	Pepper your Angus.
	Pepper your Angus.
	All right.
	These things that you say are crazy.
	You got ready to go?
	Okay.
	Ready?
	Yes.
	Please.
	I always look so bad.
	There it is.
	Come on in.
	How many years?
	That's like a really bad picture of me.
	Is the second one?
	45 years?
	How many?
	I'd say like the second one is like that.
	Could be 30s.
	No, it could not.
	That's like broad.
	That's enough.
	That's like 39 right there.
	39, 38.
	That's enough.
	How old are you, Brian?
	I'm 36.
	You and two years?
	That's how you do that.
	Yes.
	I'm going to have long blonde hair.
	I always thought that was giant fake titties.
	Like that.
	Oh, 80s and 80s.
	Next.
	Looks like 50s and 80s.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Put that shit back up there.
	That is everything.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay.
	She's a 10.
	Oh, my God.
	That's so funny.
	You know what, though?
	Honestly.
	You're going to make me skinny.
	Come on.
	I won't make it that old if I'm not that skinny by then.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	I mean, damn, it's just realistic.
	She's honest, you know?
	I'm not one of those fat people.
	Don't try me.
	Also, when were these pictures taken?
	Yeah, we're gonna be able to do that.
	Wait, yo, wait, Jay, we got Jay Eck in here.
	You know, we need, I think we need a pop a ball of champagne.
	We need to get Nick a little liquored up back there.
	I think we need a sh a little, if anybody in the chat, we big celebration.
	We got Patrick here.
	We got Nick.
	We got none of you guys.
	We need a champagne pop.
	Come on, fellas.
	We need a champagne.
	Help us out.
	I kid, I kid, I kid.
	About you guys.
	You guys have been great.
	You guys also should, you know.
	Okay, let's do next.
	Oh, it's from the video.
	Probably.
	Looks like my dad.
	It's just like my dad.
	Oh, my God.
	Next.
	Oh, you guys did me dirty.
	Oh, even worse.
	That's funny.
	That's, you know, that could be the future.
	Definitely going to lie to you.
	All right.
	Next.
	I didn't look.
	Thank you guys so much for that.
	That's fucking great.
	I love the mannequin in the background.
	They aged the mannequins.
	Yeah, no, absolutely not.
	All right.
	Actually, look, it looks sweet.
	Yeah, like a sweet little lady.
	That's a babushka right there.
	All right.
	Next.
	No.
	Actually, let's wait.
	You look at me.
	Look at you.
	Really?
	You look like a librarian or something.
	You're like this innocent.
	All right.
	And this is Miss Peaks at 60 over here.
	I didn't say I was going to pee.
	Or what you said, you said you did say you'd be more attractive.
	I think I will still be beautiful.
	That was definitely not the question, but whatever.
	All right.
	There it is.
	What do you mean?
	Brian, that is a good-looking grandma.
	Don't even lie.
	Yeah.
	Actually, you're talking like my grandma.
	You guys made me laugh.
	The middle one.
	Y'all did her some favors in all these photos.
	Like, what?
	What?
	What?
	I'm saying they were very generous to you in the older photos.
	Oh, what do you mean today?
	I'm on.
	I'm just saying.
	The middle one looks like my grandma, and she's in her late 70s.
	Okay, all right.
	Uh, next, all right, handsome guy.
	Here he is.
	Some people said that about him.
	What about the oldest one?
	Kind of looks like sugar duty, I guess.
	Next, oof.
	You see what they see?
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Felicity, they always just are not generous with Felicity.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Not okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Put him back up there.
	Put him back up there.
	What?
	You got, guys, you got a beard.
	Hey, see the beard.
	See you.
	Hey, what the fuck they do in my neck, though?
	At the very end.
	He has dimension.
	She looks like he's lost.
	Who said that?
	You said that.
	Damn.
	What the hell?
	Damn.
	Dimension.
	Was that first picture from like 20 years ago?
	It's an old.
	That's like.
	That's like 2018, 2017, maybe.
	What, you want to see young Brian?
	Pull up, young Brian.
	Pull up, young Brian.
	All right.
	That's young Brian.
	That's you?
	22, 23.
	That's you at 23?
	Yep.
	Oh, wow.
	Wow.
	Slave.
	Pull my Instagram now.
	Check this out.
	Check this shit out.
	Oh, my God.
	He's fucking myself.
	I did good, you know, when I was younger.
	Shit.
	What happened?
	I'm just going to hate this.
	Stress.
	Stress is a bitch.
	Not stress.
	Stress is a bitch.
	Sorry, you made me look like a witch, so I had his paper button.
	I ain't tripping.
	I'm old and fat now.
	Oh, my God.
	This fat thing is crazy.
	So let's see.
	Young surfer, Brian.
	Yep, surfer.
	You still surf?
	Yeah, you still surf.
	Nah.
	Why?
	Back injury, neck injury.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you have dogs.
	Anyways, that's okay.
	Young Brian, whatever.
	Okay, moving on.
	Oh, wait.
	Do we do?
	Do we have gender swap?
	No gender swap?
	What the fuck?
	Oh, thank gosh.
	What the fuck?
	Let me go talk shit in the Discord.
	I think I'm a more attractive man.
	Oh, is the Discord doing that?
	What the fuck?
	Rude.
	Rude.
	They said they won't be letting me do it for a month.
	Who?
	Who said that shit?
	Wiggles.
	Wiggles, you motherfucking wiggles.
	Where's fucking wiggles?
	Where is this guy?
	Fucking wiggles.
	Where are you, bro?
	Type that shit.
	Mara Kate.
	I thought you did that shit, Mara.
	Damn, that's fucked up.
	The fuck?
	I'm trying to gender swap these people, man.
	Shit.
	Yo, who in the Discord is going to hook it up with the gender swaps?
	Get that shit.
	Nemesis, ban everybody.
	Everybody's banned in the Discord.
	Rude.
	Rude.
	You know what, Mara?
	Take this.
	You know what?
	You know what?
	Take this shit.
	You know what?
	Oh, wait, fuck.
	I'm not going to fuck your shit up.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	I'm kidding.
	Don't ban anybody.
	Okay.
	We're going to finish up the notes.
	We'll do some questionnaire stuff.
	And word.
	We have Katarina.
	There's a bunch of Canadian stories you have.
	Canadian.
	Apparently, you were dating a guy who was on Big Brother, the show.
	He won his season of Big Brother.
	Is it like in Canada or where were we?
	No, they have U.S. too.
	It was in the United States.
	Well, he won the Canadian one.
	Oh, that's kind of what he's asking you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	I thought you were asking if it's a Canadian show.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, it started in the UK, right?
	And then it's all over.
	Okay, so that didn't work out, basically.
	I don't know how he won.
	The show made him seem smart.
	And then you weren't dating him.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, that's where I was going with that.
	He's like, bat shit.
	Is that the restraining order one?
	No, that was the one after.
	Oh, girl.
	Yeah, within a couple of weeks, I kind of got like the ick.
	And then my family was like, oh, maybe you're just scared of commitment.
	So I kind of like forced myself to stay with him.
	Pretty sure they just wanted me to be like with like a celebrity.
	And then, yeah, I forced myself to be with him, brought him to my best friend's wedding.
	He got super drunk, started screaming at me, saying that I was lying about the restraining order.
	And then when we got on the plane, he screamed at me in front of like everyone on the plane, saying that if he posted a picture on Instagram, he'd get way more followers than me.
	And then it just kept getting worse and worse.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Yeah, so everyone follow me so that I get more followers than I am.
	How is it that you girls all have these tragedy stories with people?
	Because guys suck.
	It could be that your selection is a little off.
	Well, that too.
	But you don't know it.
	All these women have stories of these selections.
	That means there's a lot of guys that are falling into that poor selection.
	There are a lot of glasses.
	I think it goes to show what you'll put up with.
	There's some young gravies out there.
	I mean, I feel like for the longest.
	I've been for three and a half years with a small dick, you know?
	I mean, for the longest time, like, I thought I didn't deserve a good guy.
	So I let myself get treated because I told myself that that's what I deserved.
	Mentally, that was messed up.
	But I just, I hadn't ever expected a good guy.
	I feel like guys also start off so small and kind of like work up to like that level.
	And then by the time it gets like extreme, you're kind of just like, oh, it is what it is.
	That's what happens all the day.
	In the last relationship that I was in, he was the best, best, best.
	And then once we were in the relationship, he turned crazy.
	And that happens all the time.
	Like, once they get the person, they like flipped a script.
	And he was the most jealous, insecure, always thought it was cheap.
	You guess he was a narcissist?
	A little bit.
	A little bit.
	Every ex-boyfriend's a narcissist.
	I mean, I get the best.
	I feel like he's an ex because, I mean, that's why.
	You know what I mean?
	If you're a narcissist, like, that's one of the check marks, you know?
	But I feel like you start dating someone and then they turn into that person that you that you're afraid of or whatever.
	You don't know about until go ahead.
	I was going to say, I think there needs to be a call for these fathers, not all of them.
	I mean, there's some really good fathers, and I have friends who have really great dads and stuff.
	But I feel like when there's not a good, stable father in the home who is setting a good example for his son or setting a good example for the daughter, like then how is she supposed to carry on forward having a healthy relationship?
	Or the son, he's going to think it's okay to, you know, leave or be verbally abusive or physically abusive.
	And that is a huge statistic, actually.
	But, you know, we, as a society, need to heal and realize everybody is human.
	But if you're placed in a parental role or a role where you're supposed to set an example, like, of course, everything you do is going to affect your kin and the people around you.
	And so these girls choosing bad guys, like it's going to happen.
	There's a 60% chance it's going to happen once you've witnessed that in your own childhood or, you know, with.
	Yeah, I think broken families are a huge problem.
	I mean, the divorce rate now is at 50% in the United States.
	And yeah, if you come from broken home, you have a terrible example of how a relationship in a marriage is supposed to work.
	Again, in my argument, this would be a return back to like what is the purpose of marriage, tradition, religion, these types of things.
	But yeah, I mean, the broken family epidemic and divorce rate is terrible.
	And then, when you really start getting into some of the SAing of children, I mean, it's step parents that tend to do it most frequently.
	And there's a lot of statistics on that regarding men coming into households, and then the woman that they married already has a daughter and stuff like that happening.
	So, a traditional nuclear family, again, a lot of that stuff just wouldn't be as prevalent in our culture as it currently is.
	True, but also with religious families, they teach the women a lot, like, oh, well, you should give him a second chance and forgive him.
	But now you're also showing your child, okay, he hit me and I'm going to take him back anyways.
	And so, now what does that tell your daughter?
	I think it depends on each circumstance and context.
	So, you do think that like domestic violence would be okay if you're not going to keep the family.
	I mean, that's an extreme take on what I just said.
	I'm not supporting domestic violence.
	I'm saying that every instance of domestic violence doesn't mean that it should be divorce or that the wife or the man shouldn't forgive the partner.
	That's a context-by-context situation that I think, again, details are going to really matter there.
	But just a blanket, like if there is domestic abuse, that that should equate, it could be just one single instance that that should equate to divorce.
	I mean, both people need to be held accountable, right?
	I'm all for accountability for all parties.
	What would she need to be held accountable for?
	Well, in any circumstance, any situation.
	So, not just one in which the man physically abuses a woman, but obviously it goes the other way.
	In other instances, by like 14%, but the rest is men.
	But, I mean, women are verbally abusive.
	And they're telling them that.
	They're abusive in other ways.
	Again, men have a monopoly on physical violence.
	So, obviously, men are going to act out that way.
	But women have other ways in which they can jab and get at their department, their partner.
	It's usually through words, could be through cheating or adultery.
	There's other ways in which women also do things that are very conniving.
	And yeah, so I'm not supporting either party.
	That's my point: responsibility needs to go to all parts.
	And so, nobody's making an apology for domestic abuse.
	But within the church, let's say he's a two-time offender in the family, but they're married, and the church is telling her, Oh, you should forgive him.
	Do you think that she's supposed to take him back?
	That would be a case-by-case, depending on how exactly that works within that family, that community.
	I have no idea.
	Oh, I have a story to tell about domestic violence.
	So, I was pregnant, I think, with my third child.
	I went to Florida for a vacation, and my oldest child jumped on me like he was playing, and it really hurt me, and I was freaked out that something would happen to the baby.
	So, my husband was like, You know what?
	I'll bring you to the hospital, you know, we'll check it out.
	And then we get to the hospital, and the doctor just looks at me in this really weird way, and he's like, Are you sure this is what happened?
	Like, are you sure your child did this to you?
	I'm like, Yeah, this is literally what happened.
	And then the doctor told me, Yeah, it's so common for me to see pregnant women who come with injuries because their husbands beat them.
	Like, I mean, it's actually the number one reason for death in pregnant women is homicide by their partners.
	That's so crazy.
	The number one unaliving of pregnant women is actually homicide by their partner.
	Oh, I thought you meant the death of the child.
	No.
	In which case, I was going to say that's probably abortion.
	Well, in how many cases were they married?
	Because I just find it a bit of a reach that there'd be so much like homicide for somebody who's already married and their wife being pregnant.
	I could see it in circumstances in which they're not pregnant, or it's an unexpected pregnancy, or it's a different relationship dynamic.
	Not saying that it doesn't happen, but it just seems like it'd be way less common with a married couple.
	In your perspective, yes.
	Generally speaking, we're just talking about statistics, generally speaking.
	Not that it can't happen, of course.
	Yeah, it does.
	What do you think of men?
	Because I've heard you a couple times throughout the night.
	You seem to always want to go towards like men are criminals, men are predators, men are like.
	I'm not saying all men, but I'm saying I don't think that men hold other men accountable for what they're doing that gives them a bad image.
	And you want to call on us other men accountable through police forces.
	There's been 115,000 women killed in femicide last year alone in South America.
	That is crazy.
	Wait, 100,000.
	I'm just saying.
	15.
	115.
	150,000 women murdered in which South American country?
	You're just all of South America.
	Correct.
	In one year.
	Okay, so Peru, Chile, Brazil.
	Argentina.
	With Argentina.
	You're up to date on the South American femicide stats.
	I spent a lot of time researching because I rather do that than doom scroll on TikTok.
	150,000 women have been unalived in South America.
	For being women?
	Yes.
	Wait, hold on.
	We're in America.
	We're very in response to me saying men do hold other men accountable.
	So are you saying what's the cuz?
	I'm saying you never hear the other side.
	You don't have women in murder.
	Men can just murder women in Argentina and they just get away with it.
	Yeah, they do.
	You guys do realize that.
	Hold on.
	You guys do realize that murders are the most heavily investigated criminals in the U.S.
	No, but that's South America.
	South America has lots of unstable countries like they have Colombia.
	Why do you think everyone's coming up here from Mexico?
	A lot of violence.
	It's not the same as America.
	I don't know what you mean.
	I don't know.
	I would need to look at that research in that paper.
	I mean, I'm not saying there's not violence, and certainly violence across cultures changes, and some cultures are more violent, could be towards women than others.
	I'm totally on board with that possibility.
	But 150,000 people are not.
	Are you against immigration?
	No, I'm saying.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	Answer my question, though.
	Are you against immigration?
	Especially from Latin people moving here?
	Especially from Latin American countries?
	No, and I have a completely different view.
	But there's rampant amounts of men are holding.
	Femicide.
	These women are getting like wholesale murdered.
	And you want, and the majority of these illegal immigrants typically tend to skew male.
	And you want to allow them into the United States?
	No.
	That doesn't mean that.
	I feel like it's like going in a completely different.
	No, I have to logically.
	Well, hold on.
	Can you let me clarify without interrupting?
	I can definitely say that.
	Well, okay, so are you okay with illegal immigration?
	I think that just like other immigrants who've come here from other countries and they've applied for citizenship and they want a better life here in America.
	I'm talking about the menu.
	They absolutely deserve to.
	When we have families who are coming over illegally because they don't have any other option and they're seeking refuge, we actually have programs in place for that.
	There's also the one that's, what is it, Violence Against Women Act, which keeps you here for two years while you're doing your application for citizenship if you're experiencing domestic violence.
	It doesn't answer my question, though.
	Are you in favor of illegal immigration?
	Illegal.
	I think our, no, because I think our system needs to change completely.
	It's not a yes or no answer.
	Everything needs to be changed.
	Should they be deported?
	I think the criminals should be deported.
	Absolutely.
	Well, they're criminals by crossing illegally, correct?
	If you're here in the country illegally, you are committing a crime.
	Yes.
	So should we deport all illegal immigrants?
	But you are making a point about immigration saying that all these women killing immigrants were coming over, and am I okay with that?
	So now you're changing the question.
	Well, hold on.
	No, it's your position.
	You're saying there's like vast amounts of femicide in Latin America, in South America.
	Right?
	That's what you said.
	And you're saying, well, these men are just brutalizing and murdering all these women in South America.
	That's a large book.
	The South Americans are a large book of the illegal immigrants coming into this country.
	In addition to like, you know, you have like Central Americans too, and then you have like Mexicans also.
	So I would assume, given this like exorbitant rate of femicide and murder of women in these Latin American countries, I think you're pointing to perhaps a culture where it's okay for like violence against women.
	You surely then, to be consistent, would not want this cohort of people illegally entering the country where they can victimize American women in this country.
	I think just like every other country, America should have its own borders and enforce it.
	And I don't think that anyone is doing the right steps to actually solve the issue that's really going on.
	I lived in Tucson and my grandma lives an hour from the border.
	I've seen how bad it actually is.
	You guys are actually a little sheltered over here from all that.
	California has like a massive immigration.
	Yeah, but you don't see the cartel stuff that we see.
	Like it's pretty bad.
	But anyways, yeah, Tucson's crime rate immigrants.
	I think that Trump, like when he was first saying all the violent ones and all the ones that have a record, I think that should be your priority.
	I'm fine with prioritizing them.
	Then should we deport all the illegal immigrants?
	By the time he gets done with deporting all the criminal ones, he's going to be out of office anyway.
	So you're okay then with all the other illegals being here is what you're saying.
	I'm not saying that, but I think they do need to register and actually work towards getting citizenship.
	And if they're wanting to do it, why don't we want to just deport all of them and then allow them to apply the legal way?
	And then we can vet everybody and look at their backgrounds and see where they're going.
	Because they know better.
	Then we can make sure they're not going to continue.
	And the Mexican government is not going to support them or even provide resources for them like we do.
	That's literally why they're here.
	Why should we do that?
	Yeah, so that's not beneficial to me as an heritage American and taxpayer.
	Yeah, that totally disenfranchises me.
	My thing is you're trying to get me to focus on something that I'm not even concerned with.
	I know, but he's making it logically consistent arguments.
	You just described a problem in South America, and he's saying, okay, well, here's a culturally relevant topic that you're talking about.
	But that was one event when I'm trying to give you examples because you're shifting it.
	But hold on.
	You're saying I shifted it, which I could dispute, but you shifted it because I was saying men hold men accountable and you want to move to like, okay, this specific thing in South America where perhaps law enforcement is not nearly as effective as it is in the United States where we enjoy where law enforcement has far more resources and is far more sophisticated than law enforcement in third world countries.
	It was one example that I was going to give you in concurrence with other ones, like the fact that the child trafficking industry is a multi-billion dollar industry.
	I mean, triple-digit billion-dollar industry every year around the world.
	And people like Tim Thibault speak on that.
	And it's men who are the consumers.
	I'm not saying that.
	Well, who do we go after with that industry?
	Hold on.
	With that industry, who do we go after?
	The people that are selling humans for sex trafficking and the consumers of sex trafficking?
	Because it gets back to the corn industry in regards to not holding.
	It actually doesn't.
	It's the government who's bribed to have those kids.
	It's women over the CIA that make them disappear.
	The CIA is totally in bed with all these operations.
	Drug trafficking.
	It's all within the government.
	That has nothing to do with porn.
	Corn is a distraction.
	Okay, we're all distracted.
	All the media is owned by BlackRock, and they just tell you whatever they want to actually hear.
	We're not getting into all of that.
	You're just seeing what they want you to see.
	My point being, it's not all men.
	Okay.
	But it is a lot of men who are doing these things.
	And I don't see you can change your gender.
	You can get married to someone of the same sex.
	Personally.
	I'm saying you can do all these things, but why are we still facing femicide in the world?
	Why are we still facing all of these issues that shouldn't be prevalent anymore?
	Women are half of the world population, and yet we're the ones who are always being graped, you know, killed, etc.
	Like, why is no one standing up for that?
	Do you realize that men are disproportionately more likely to be victims of violent crime?
	They're more likely to be murdered from each other.
	It's still men on men.
	Yeah.
	It's still men that are the problem.
	Okay.
	You're proving to engage there, but you're going to have to concede with me that my point is true first.
	Which point?
	That men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Yeah, and it's from other men.
	Okay, why would that matter?
	That sounds like victim blaming.
	It's a total red herring.
	What would that matter?
	The gender of the perpetrator has no impact on the victim.
	If I'm dead and the person who killed me is a man or the person who killed me is a woman, does that make me any more or less dead?
	No, I'm saying that if it were a bunch of women graping and killing men, that it would be a huge issue.
	But because it's the other way around, it's just normal and expected.
	And I don't see that people are standing up for it as much as they do for other things.
	Wait, hold on.
	Murder of women by men is far more, is taken far more seriously than murder of men by men.
	Can I say something?
	So I don't understand.
	Maybe she means that women are weaker than men.
	So as a man, you can protect yourself from another man.
	Like if something like that happens.
	But as a woman, I can't really protect you.
	They're very vulnerable.
	Yeah, women are more vulnerable.
	Even if men get killed more than women, basically.
	What?
	Well, because men claim they're supposed to be our protectors, but then why would all those women be killed by femicide?
	Because they can't protect themselves.
	And so men are supposed to be killed.
	I don't know why.
	So who's causing these men to be?
	If we want to talk about violence, then I'm like, and I think you're framing is really bad faith.
	I can be uncharitable too.
	Although, like, probably some people are going to agree with me.
	Like, women are overwhelmingly killing their children in the womb, Drew.
	And you kill baby, you kill babies of any gender.
	Like, what is it?
	70 million a year abortions.
	Is it really men that are so violent?
	Like, at least, you know, when it comes to male violence, there's often typically components of like, you know, there's some fucking B for like gang violence or something.
	No, even though some of that stuff is like completely arbitrary and stupid, y'all are literally killing unborn children.
	So who's more monstrous?
	The men, like the men who are like involved in gang violence and like street beefs over like who can sell smack on the street corner or women who are unaliving?
	They're really, really defenseless unborn children.
	Right.
	That they were complicit in making.
	When was the last time you heard about a female student at a university graping a man and then still getting to graduate?
	Do you want to answer my question first?
	No, I'm saying like you like to redirect the conversation, which I totally respect and I will follow.
	You redirect the cut.
	You're the one throwing out all these red herrings, but okay, let's hear your other herrings.
	I'm stating things that are actually published on the pull up.
	Tell me the next men bad thing.
	Go ahead.
	I'm not saying all men.
	Okay, what percentage?
	That's where you're missing the point.
	Okay, what's the university?
	What is it?
	Tell me the university example.
	Go ahead.
	I'm just saying.
	Many of you said something about being able to walk at graduation.
	When the roles are reversed, men are going to stick up for other men and be like, oh, we're not going to take that from women.
	But then when it's happening to women, we're supposed to be submissive.
	Hold on, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	I can disprove that.
	First off, I do want to hear your example about the like being able to walk for graduation.
	In prison, where the population is made up entirely of criminals, there can be murderers in there.
	Murderers live among murderers.
	But if you go into general population in a prison and you're, they call it Chomo, if you're you touch women or you touch children or whatever it is, you've got a fucking target on your back.
	And if you step foot in general population, you will be dead within 24 hours at the hands of the other inmates.
	So even criminal men who have questionable virtue, even they are going to literally kill, like vigilante justice will kill grapists and they will kill people who touch children.
	So this idea that men won't hold other men accountable, the justice system is very effective.
	And then in addition to that, there's extra judicial punishment.
	If these men do find themselves in prison and in a certain situation with an inmate, these guys got targets on their backs.
	Trust me.
	So this idea that grape, like there's a grape culture where it's accepted, or that there's like a culture where this, these crimes are the most abhorrent crimes ever.
	And trust me, most men would gladly, like, will gladly kill a PDF file.
	They'll gladly kill a rapist.
	Oops, shouldn't have said that.
	My bad.
	Whatever.
	Yes, in the U.S., absolutely.
	But I mean, on a worldwide scale, no matter where we are, women are still going to be like at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to.
	Wait.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Can you tell me the walking at the.
	What was the example you provide you gave?
	There was a college, I don't even remember his name, but this was four years ago.
	This college athlete, it's just the example I'm giving you to portray what I'm talking about.
	He had graped her at a party on the university grounds, right?
	But because it was a party and they didn't want to say that, you know, he actually did it because he was their star fucking athlete on this team.
	He got to walk on his graduation.
	He didn't do any jail time.
	And it basically just all was done.
	Did she go to the police?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	She did the whole pit and everything.
	Do you so there was an accusation that was made?
	What evidence was presented that it actually occurred?
	Besides just that.
	His DNA was found, and his defense attorney was arguing that, oh, well, because there was alcohol at the party, who's to know if she gave him consent or not?
	Well, fair enough.
	Even though it was outside behind a trash can and somebody found him doing it.
	But anyways.
	Wait, are you talking about the swimmer?
	I think I know the case that you're talking about.
	The affluenza case.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Or no, that was a DUI case, I think.
	Yeah, no.
	There's some kid, rich kid, who like, I think, killed somebody in a DUI and got off, left, got off really easily.
	That sounds like I don't know.
	I don't know the specifics.
	I mean, just on even like a smaller scale, like a way smaller scale.
	Let's say you went to Macy's, like she did yesterday, and you went to go shopping, and a guy came up to you and was like, Hey, Brian, like, what's up?
	Like, I watch your stuff, whatever.
	Like, are you thinking that he's gonna like flash his dick at you?
	Like, but don't you think that sexualization?
	That happens, like, to women.
	Yeah, and that's right.
	Women, if they walk to a parking garage as a woman and it's nighttime, and there's a guy behind you, you get chills up your back.
	Do you?
	So, so do I cool?
	Men are victims of violent crime.
	I don't, I don't know if you guys know this.
	Men get jumped, men get robbed.
	Right.
	I've been the victim of a violent crime.
	Uh, so this idea that men can just like they blithely just walk through the world without a care in the like, no cares, and they just can walk at night without feeling unsafe.
	I've been walking in situations where I felt unsafe.
	Right.
	Would you go on a hike alone?
	Depends on where.
	Yeah, women go on hikes alone too.
	I mean, yeah, there's three of them that got unaligned in Phoenix.
	Okay, bad thing happens to woman.
	But I do, you mentioned that there was DNA for this like example that you provided.
	So let me ask you a question.
	So if somebody's had a consensual sexual encounter, is it plausible that they're going to find the other person's DNA on them?
	So you're assuming it's consensual.
	I'm innocence until proven guilty.
	Do you disagree with innocence until proven guilty?
	You're saying that when she claimed that it was consensual.
	Hold on.
	I don't know the specific case you're referencing.
	You just gave me a vague thing where it sounds like there was a police investigation.
	They made some determination that there wasn't enough evidence or something to proceed.
	If that is actually the case, don't you believe in innocent until proven guilty?
	I do.
	Doesn't sound like it.
	But what I'm saying is when things like that happen, it's just common and it's water under the bridge.
	And we men's okay.
	It's not just water under the bridge.
	Men's lives get ruined and even just based off a dubious accusation.
	Not really.
	We have one in office right now.
	What did he do?
	Dubiate.
	What do you mean?
	Did he grab him by the pussy?
	What did he do?
	Exactly.
	Like, can we see?
	Can you imagine?
	It's literally imagining if somebody else had said that.
	It's a totally dubious.
	I don't know if you investigated the accusations against Trump.
	Extremely dubious.
	Accusations.
	This shit.
	There's a video, a voice recording.
	What are you talking about?
	Hold on.
	Are you talking about the civil case that he had?
	I'm talking about from his first election.
	That recording came out where he was.
	But first, I want to ask, though, if they find DNA, does that mean that a crime occurred?
	Because I've had unprotected sex with my girlfriend, and if she went and got a DNA test, they would find DNA of me.
	But they were not dating.
	She did not know him.
	And it was a party with a bunch of other people.
	Is it plausible that they had a consensual sexual encounter?
	Is it plausible?
	I'm not saying it's not a possibility.
	He's saying that she got too drunk and she can't remember that she said no.
	But when the guy found him, so they went to a college party and they hooked up.
	No, they didn't.
	She showed up and he was one of the guests there.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	They don't get consent if you're intoxicated.
	That's like the point of certain intoxication.
	If you're incapacitated, but if you've had a beer, is that great?
	But this girl was passed out in the trash cans.
	Well, that's a let.
	Yeah, that's the case I'm talking about.
	And a guy had a new detail that you didn't previously.
	But I said a guy.
	Yes, if you have sex with a woman who's passed out, that's grape.
	I said that they were outside by the trash.
	They both got found you on top of her.
	If you both had two or three shots.
	Wait, let me ask you guys a question.
	If the guy is more drunk than the woman, is she a grapist?
	If he didn't give consent, yeah, I think it goes both ways.
	Yeah, it definitely is.
	It's about women.
	If you can't consent, it's grape.
	But, okay, I'm trying to understand this because there are narratives out there that if you've had any level of alcohol consumption, you no longer can consent.
	So where is the threshold?
	Where is the actual line?
	If you're not coherent and you can't answer a yes or no question, like, and if you're, I don't know, I feel like the line is clear and you should know before you get drunk.
	Like, it shouldn't be, if, like, if I was hooking up with someone and they got drunk and they said yes, I probably wouldn't even hook up with them then.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, I think that you should give permission beforehand or not hook up with someone who's blackout drunk or drunk at all.
	Because then that's where the line is.
	What responsibilities on women for getting blackout drunk and going to situations in which that's what you see?
	That's a great area.
	That is such a great area.
	It's like we're just going to go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
	Like, it's just a great area, honestly.
	Wait, so what was your say that again?
	What did you say?
	I said, what's the responsibility on women getting trashed and getting drunk in environments where that stuff can happen?
	Exactly.
	So in what regard, like, what are you saying?
	I mean, if you go out and you just have a drink or two and you still have your senses about you, I mean, the likelihood of something like that happening is going to be much less.
	But I think at that point, if it does happen to them, it's not like about the woman, like if she was responsible enough or not, and she shouldn't have gone blackout drunk.
	Like that shouldn't have happened in general.
	Like, that shouldn't even be a question in that scenario, in my opinion.
	Like, if she was responsible.
	If a woman got drunk, but she was not incapacitated, as almost any girl who's ever been to college ever has done, and then she regrets it the next day, is that great?
	No.
	No.
	But that's not what.
	Why are you making that face?
	That's not because, but that happens.
	I see what you're saying.
	That happens with everything.
	But I see what you're saying.
	That does happen a lot.
	Girls will say that, and that's why girls don't have as much credibility about when they say, that's why people don't believe girls as much because those situations happen, and then these guys' lives are ruined over a situation where they thought it was completely consensual.
	And that's why it's a gray area.
	But yes, guys' lives will be ruined.
	And that's why girls' credibility is just like completely gone to shit when it comes to grape.
	And that is just something that will forever be the case.
	And it's never going to change.
	I just want, you know, for the next generation, like I want both women and men to feel like they're safe, they're respected by the other gender, and that like they don't have to feel like, oh my gosh, I can't even walk to my car at night without, you know, being at risk of something happening.
	And I don't think that's an unfair ask.
	So.
	Touchy subject.
	I know, but it's because they got into all of that.
	But you guys are men.
	You'll never be in our shoes.
	So you hold on to it.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, hold on.
	Women, okay, there's all these stories of like female teachers taking advantage of their like junior high school students, elementary school students.
	This is a super common occurrence.
	It's not like it's downplayed to quite an extent.
	I think I personally think it's abhorrent.
	Whereas like if it's a male teacher, female student, that's just major, major deal.
	It's looked at through a completely different lens.
	men are victim victimized too it's just i don't know it's kind of their sentences are worse I mean, recently I've been following, there's been a handful.
	I mean, every week you can find a news article about a female teacher sleeping with her students.
	And it's becoming more and more common.
	I mean, just go do a Google search.
	You'll find tons and tons of articles.
	And then do it based on dates and you'll see how frequently this is.
	And then you look at the sentencing in regards to them versus if an adult male did that with the same age female, the sentencing is way different.
	And they're punished much harder.
	And it should be the same.
	It should be the same.
	That's like more with the courts, like not like what she's saying.
	But it's just a cultural disposition that we have that needs to change in regards to how these dynamics work.
	Yeah.
	I don't even know where we were talking about.
	Great.
	Next question.
	No, no, that even led to that.
	Well, I think everything started to spiral once we heard about femicide.
	Or something else.
	Possibly.
	Ruin the moods.
	Well, I get the impression that you, like, it sounded like from what you told us before, like, you, you view things through this paradigm of through your own trauma.
	No, I have, my mother is a domestic violence victim advocate, and my little sister worked for CPS, and she firsthand saw all these things happening.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's not from my point of view.
	No, but it is your paradigm.
	Like you view things in a very like biased sort of victim way.
	It's not a victim, it's experience.
	Well, do you have animosity towards men?
	I mean, one of the things, because you mentioned you're kind of proud about one out of every four women, like stay single for the rest of your life, and that's a goal that you hope to uphold.
	And it sounds like, just based on everything you keep saying, it's a lot of fingers being pointed at men.
	And it sounds like maybe that colors why even you have no interest in long-term relationships or marriage.
	No, I just think that she's just lost a lot of hope.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've lost hope for sure.
	Do you think we should believe all women?
	No.
	We're all human.
	Like I was saying before, but obviously there are physical differences between.
	Yeah, I know.
	Like, trust no one.
	Just no one.
	Everyone.
	And Wild had it right.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Anywho.
	What other questions are on that list?
	Okay.
	Damn, bro.
	I shouldn't take the bait, chat.
	I fucking hate.
	Oh, my God.
	So fucking frustrating.
	I take the bait, and it's such a fucking buzzkill to talk about this topic.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Can you talk about dick size again?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Moving on, I guess, Jordan, you mentioned using men to take away your loneliness.
	Yeah.
	I mean.
	Is that what you did?
	I didn't use men.
	I guess that was wrong wording.
	You know, I mean, I would find worth in attention and the way a guy would treat me or do things for me or buy things or love me in a sense.
	And I didn't like being alone.
	I had to teach myself what it was like to be alone and be content and happy in singleness.
	But yeah, I would meet a new guy.
	I would go out.
	I would talk to random people and use it to fulfill myself for a bit.
	Okay.
	Shula, do you want to put on your costume or whatever?
	I guess.
	All right.
	She's gone.
	And then I'll get into your notes when you do that.
	Wait, is your name, what's your name?
	Princess?
	Because your name is Prince.
	That's your Instagram.
	Yeah, I had to change it because I got hacked by Audrey.
	Yes, sir.
	Hold on.
	We have a TTS coming through.
	Sin Magic 14 donated $200 to the female panelists.
	I speak for every man I know, met or ever heard about.
	If we see the grape going down in the parking lot, we will unalive that particular person.
	That shit doesn't slide.
	Facts.
	Well, that makes me feel nice.
	Facts.
	You're a good person.
	There seems to be this like warped perception that if a man saw something like that happening, like he would cheer for it.
	Like that just isn't the case.
	Some guys just don't understand what's going on though.
	Like they might see it and then be like, oh, whatever.
	And then just keep walking because they think it's like both-sided.
	If a woman's yelling help and that's going down, it's going to be pretty obvious.
	But if a woman is being graped and there's no, you know, like cry out for help, I mean, how could somebody know?
	And it certainly then appears to be consensual.
	But like if a girl is like passed out or whatever, they might just think like that they're both doing it consensually.
	I just don't know any men.
	To the super chatter's point, I don't know any men in my circle that would be okay with that or would turn a blind eye to that.
	Even if they're like my friends, if we heard of each other abusing our spouses or something, like that's just not okay.
	And we would absolutely hold each other accountable.
	So I don't, to the super chatter's point, I just don't see this phenomenon where men aren't holding men accountable.
	We don't live in a utopia, and so there's always going to be crime.
	There's always going to be these bad things.
	But on average, I think men are much better than the panel has generally presented how men are and how we interact with each other.
	You had a book full of notes.
	Oh, well, I had, to be honest, I was hoping.
	I mean, love you as a guest, but Andrew was on.
	I was about to flame that man.
	So my notes were mainly for that man.
	So we'll keep the notebook closed.
	But also, he brings you down so many points.
	Why do you keep having that guy on?
	Andrew's all, he's actually a good friend of mine.
	I'm afraid of Andrew and Rachel.
	Oh, God.
	I was at his baptism with his family.
	He's actually a great guy.
	Have you heard some of the stuff he said?
	He's really mean to me.
	Well, hold on.
	And I just feel like if you want your career to last long, I would ditch that man to the side.
	Just saying, because I don't think you're truly a bad man, but Andrew.
	He is a good man.
	I will defend Andrew.
	I'm personally friends with him, and I know he's a good man.
	So we're talking about how, okay, do you think Andrew would, okay, did you hear the thing he was talking about, grape saying that some women think it's pleasurable?
	What?
	What do you mean, this thing?
	That's a huge thing.
	That's awful.
	Aren't grape fantasies like a huge best-selling sex novel?
	Absolutely.
	So if you think it, absolutely.
	But do you think in the actual moment?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Before we get into that, you're completely mischaracter.
	First off, you didn't really precisely state what Andrew said.
	Oh, I don't think in any context of that.
	You just said, did you hear what he said about grape?
	What did he say about grape?
	I'm saying in any context, to say those words, how he was saying that some women find it pleasurable.
	I don't think any woman, even if they have a grape fantasy, which is representing.
	Nope.
	Did you watch the very points I was trying to do?
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	Let me finish.
	Did you watch the extremely selectively edited clip, or did you actually go?
	Perhaps that's the first thing you saw.
	Did you go and watch the full exchange?
	I saw the full, not like hours before and after, but I'm saying even to say, like, I saw some of the points after and before, I'm saying to even say that is insane.
	Like that for her, that to come out of his mouth, even as a like argument, is crazy.
	But also a lot of other things.
	Since you saw the full thing, you must surely know the full context.
	No, I said I saw parts before and after and not.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, okay, what are the parts before and after?
	And what was the context of the conversation?
	Just the one that put the content I'm saying is that when he said that, like he was trying to compare it to something else.
	Can I ask you a question?
	I think I wasn't there.
	You were definitely not there.
	It was during the debate.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	So, if I were to say, I think it's bad to call black people the N-word.
	Now, let's say somebody clipped it and started it where I say, call black people the N-word as if it was an advocation that you should call black people the N-word.
	You would agree that that would be disingenuous editing, right?
	But that's on a different cut.
	Like, there was more.
	It's not a precise one-to-one, but the clip was selectively edited.
	So in this case, he was asking the guy a hypothetical question to test his to basically test his logic.
	Yeah.
	Are you that's what you're saying?
	Me personally, me personally, I would have perhaps used a different hypothetical, but he wasn't making an advocation for great.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	Even if he's not saying that, like, the person to say that is crazy.
	I don't care.
	Like, that's why I'm saying, you're saying he used that as an example.
	To use that as an example is insane to me.
	I don't care what the example was.
	Like, we can agree to disagree or whatever, but I'm saying, like, even whatever he said before and after, to say that sentence is crazy to me.
	I don't care what he was saying before and after.
	And that's okay if you disagree with me.
	And I just think his character, he shows a lot of things, the way he lashes out at people, all the things that he does during the show.
	Like, there's a little much, but hope for the best for him.
	He was okay.
	The guy was basically saying, in some cases, X. X, what?
	Okay, the guy he was debating against.
	Did you see this clip?
	Do you know what she's talking about?
	I do.
	I forget the guy that he was debating, though.
	Yeah.
	So, where the fuck?
	Sorry, my phone just went off.
	Let me turn that off.
	Okay.
	The guy was saying, well, in some instances, here's an exception, then X, right?
	Are you?
	I'm just listening.
	It was my listening sign.
	Right.
	And so Andrew used, he wasn't making an advocation for what he was talking about.
	He was saying, well, in your worldview, would this logically this would have to be the case if you're making this sort of argument?
	Right.
	Yeah, I don't think even then he should use that like topic.
	I think he could have used something else.
	But that's the point of the hypothetical is to go to the extreme to highlight a point.
	I understand.
	I think that's a little too extreme.
	But that's okay if you it's okay if you guys don't agree.
	You don't have to laugh at me.
	That's just how I'm not.
	And I think also the same man who like talks about how women are stronger and this and that, like all these things he says like aren't like women are.
	You can't.
	Don't you believe that men have a monopoly on physical violence?
	Don't you believe that we have a monopoly on physical violence?
	We're physically stronger.
	Like if every man wanted to subjugate women, all women, and the whole world was divided upon those lines, hypothetical.
	Yes.
	Men could do that.
	Thank God.
	Oh my gosh.
	Thank God.
	Great.
	Men could do that, right?
	We got the feminist back to the table.
	Oh my gosh, shut up.
	Oh my god.
	That's my character that you created.
	Feminist, that's what it is.
	Wait, did you put on like why is that actually really good?
	That's so funny.
	That's kind of funny.
	I can't lie.
	Maybe I should have done the notes, your notes, before we got into that.
	Wait, okay, but really quick, what were your other things for Andrew?
	Oh, well, I'm not saying, because he's not here.
	So like, I'm not going to.
	Okay, give me one.
	Give me one.
	No, I'm just saying.
	I'm not going to.
	Can I say something about that?
	Hold on, one sec.
	Do you think you were saying that he thinks men are physically stronger than women?
	No, the fact that he's like dies on this hill that men are stronger than women and can't open a pickle jar crazy.
	And like just even though it's not.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	That's kind of crazy.
	How's that crazy?
	He's like, men are stronger than women.
	Wait, let me ask you a question.
	And then he's trying to blame it on the reason.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If a quadriplegic who has no use of their upper body at all, that's not the point he's making.
	Hold on.
	If a quadriplegic said, who he doesn't have any use of his arms, so he's really physically weak, said that men are stronger than women, would he be wrong for saying that because he can't even lift a pen?
	No, I'm saying it's just funny.
	Like, I'm not saying it's like this.
	I'm saying it's funny, not like, it is funny.
	The man who says that.
	But okay, but is he wrong about is the argument still true?
	Okay, that's true.
	There's other things I'm not going to list because he's not here, so I'm not going to even get into that.
	But I'm saying as a comment, it's funny because it is funny.
	It's funny.
	That's funny.
	Well, hold the whole thing.
	Sure, it was.
	Very hilarious.
	Yes.
	It was fun.
	To be fair, you have to tap the top of the jar.
	I think that's the thing.
	You have to tap it.
	Tap the side.
	Or tap the side or some shit.
	I don't know.
	Here, we have some chats come through.
	Then we'll finish up some of the notes here.
	We have no step on.
	Hold on.
	Thank you, man.
	No underscore step on underscore snated $199.
	If a guy drinks and then makes the decision to drive and gets a DUI, regrets six.
	Is he responsible for the DUI and your wreck?
	Or should he not be responsible cause he was too drunk to consent?
	Yeah, that doesn't compare.
	Do you want to answer it, though?
	It's not even a valid comparison because he it's just involving himself.
	There's no other party.
	Okay.
	Do you want to answer it though?
	So he chose to get drunk.
	He has a DUI.
	I mean, if the girl got drunk and she got DUI, it's still her DUI.
	Well, in the instance, he got a wreck.
	So just to steel man the super chat, let's say somebody else was involved and hurt and there was a wreck.
	Sorry, I can't.
	Would that be the super chatter trying to make the point about responsibility?
	The thing that I mentioned earlier about being in the situation and then consenting and taking all those drinks, he's highlighting, obviously, extreme example.
	Well, let's say a man is inebriated, drives, and actually wrecks into somebody, alters their life, or causes harm to them.
	If he can't consent, just like a woman says she can't consent when she's inebriated, is it the same thing?
	I think that's the steel man position of what he's trying to say.
	But he's still the one committing an act towards the other person, so it's still not a valid example.
	I'm just trying to steel man what the super chatter.
	I mean, it's like saying, so what?
	So women should never be allowed to get drunk at a party, period.
	can i ask can i ask a question on this and i i actually don't know what uh let's say that there's a woman who and i i don't drink so i'm not really familiar I've never been like blackout drunk.
	But couldn't, isn't it possible that you could be blackout drunk, but come across externally lucid?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Like you would, like somebody might not know that you're blacked out.
	Yeah, I experienced that.
	Yeah.
	But so arguably though, like from their perspective, you come across as just any other like normally, normally drunk person.
	But under your guys' definition, this guy has just committed a grape.
	Is that correct?
	If he has sex with her, but he doesn't know that she's incapacitated.
	And she doesn't indicate to him in any way while she's blackout drunk.
	Like she's moving around and she's, I mean, you know how people are when they're drunk, right?
	This exact situation has happened to me and I woke up the next day and was like, Well, I maybe shouldn't have put myself kind of, it's like, it's like a half and half thing in that situation because I'm like, I must have in that moment said yes and I regretted it, highly regretted it, and felt depressed about it.
	But like, do I need to go ruin that guy's life?
	Because he, I gave him full consent because I look like I am the kind of person if I get blackout drunk, which I don't tend to do that often, but if I do it, I look completely normal and I like act normal.
	But like, under your sense of what constitutes that crime, would that has a grape occurred?
	But that wasn't the example I was giving.
	I'm just, okay, well, I'm giving you this example.
	I'm saying that it can be like if she gave consent and was blacked out, that's something where she's got to talk to a therapist and she's got to figure that out.
	But I don't think he should be accused of grape if she gave full consent while she was drunk.
	But you would argue that a grape did occur or didn't.
	I'm saying if she, if she verbally had told him something that gave him the impression of consent.
	She was very enthusiastically having sex with him.
	Okay, right.
	Yeah.
	So but she was, and he, but he was not aware of her level of incapacitation.
	She appeared to be normally drunk.
	Right.
	So he wasn't, he wasn't intentionally committing that against her will then.
	And that's not grape.
	Because the men, the men who, if she's knocked out or she did not give you consent or she's blacked out drunk and still hasn't given you consent, you shouldn't be assuming anything or taking opportunity.
	Okay, but I think that's just safer for everybody.
	So that woman could wake up and similar to what Lucy said, just be like, oopsie.
	Or she could wake up and be like, what the fuck am I doing here?
	I don't remember anything.
	I was graped.
	Was she graped?
	I think it again goes to the consent because if he's ignoring like the telltale signs that, oh, she's not able to tell me yes, or she's severely inconvenient.
	For example, she says that she's fairly lucid when she gets that way.
	So just using her as the example, obviously not her specifically, but that example.
	Right.
	And say that she is lucid and she maybe signals consent and the guy doesn't know that she's totally blackout, not going to remember any of this.
	Is he guilty of grape?
	Signals consent?
	I think it's a case-by-case basis, honestly, because I'm aware that that happens to me.
	Like I'm aware that I get blackout and I seem totally normal to the, or not normal, but you know, like a normal drunk to the person that I'm talking to.
	Like I'm aware that that happens to me because it like runs in my family.
	We're all kind of like, we can hold down our liquor.
	I'm Irish, but so we're kind of, I'm just like that.
	But so it's happened, you know, more than once.
	And I haven't, you know, gone to the police.
	Like even the first time it happened, like I didn't go to the police the next day.
	I just, it was just shitty.
	Like it's just shitty to it.
	You regret it.
	It's like deep regret and you just never talk about that guy again or you tell your friends like, hey, you know, this happened with this guy.
	But like to go to the police, I think it's just a case-by-case basis.
	If someone, if a girl doesn't realize how she gets when she gets drunk, and let's say she's like 18, 19, or whatever age she starts drinking, she has no idea how she's going to get when she gets drunk.
	And she's unaware of how she is when she's drunk.
	Then that would be considered grape because she's not, she's unaware.
	I'm hyper-aware of how I get when I get drunk.
	So who am I to go and ruin a guy's life?
	Like that is just a fucked up situation.
	But isn't it, couldn't it be plausible that, you know, when people go off to college, many of these people like didn't drink or didn't drink very much.
	At college, people go out, they binge drink quite heavily.
	Both men get super drunk, women get super drunk.
	I mean, people perhaps do things that they wouldn't have done when they were sober, but I can definitely envision scenarios where maybe the guy got more drunk, the guy was blackout, and the girl was like, she was there.
	She had a fucking white claw and the dude's like 10 shots deep or something.
	Like, is that, is that, I mean, he's not, let's say he's not passed out, but he's like drunk.
	Is that, I don't know.
	Are you saying, like, did is she not?
	Did she grape him?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Because did he give her consent?
	Yeah.
	Well, isn't the argument, though, once you're past a certain threshold, you can't consent.
	Right.
	So then it's still grape.
	It's just such a great area.
	It's just like case by case, really.
	It's like people shouldn't be having sex.
	Like if they're too drunk, like that shouldn't even be a thing.
	Like mentioning me, I mean sex or gold.
	It's such a touch of suspect.
	I'm going to look at my phone and have like all this.
	I don't go to bars.
	I don't go to clubs.
	I don't be drinking like that.
	And I don't want my girl drinking like that either.
	But okay.
	We have some chats.
	We got to get through.
	By the way, guys, I just lowered it.
	We're going to do $69 TTS.
	If you want to get a roast and roast the panel, boys, we have some chats.
	We have Pasty George.
	Oh, my God.
	Why is it?
	Never want to.
	Okay.
	Chair two, Andrew Wilson and Rachel Wilson are awesome people.
	They would roast you and turn you into a full course buffet.
	Andrew Wilson never said grape is acceptable.
	Stop slandering him, poor child.
	Pork job is so funny.
	Thank you for that.
	All I can say is Andrew released a video on that explaining the fuller context.
	If you want to like if you want to get his side of it, but he was definitely not making an advocation or anything like that, like saying it was okay.
	Even though Chair 3 said Phoenix in her intro and has now changed to Tucson, base Thor and I have consulted with our Tucson contacts and they don't claim her either.
	Disavow, disavow.
	I don't care.
	She doesn't care.
	All right, we have to.
	Like, what are you going to do?
	Thank you, Desert.
	Thank you, Desert George.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	We have, who is it?
	It's so amusing and ironic when feministic influenced women argue that women in the world are getting unalived by men each year, yet the number of abortions per year exceeds femicide worldwide.
	True.
	Damn.
	Facts.
	Damn.
	That's crazy.
	I don't think it's feministic to, which, by the way, do you even know the definition of feminism?
	Do I?
	Which wave?
	What are you talking about?
	There's first wave, second-wave.
	No, like the actual definition of the word.
	Well, it depends on which wave, the context and how it's defined.
	Third wave and fourth wave feminism are a little bit different than first wave feminism.
	Do you want my definition of it?
	I don't have enough storage in there.
	I don't.
	I'm begging you to say that.
	I'll give you the charitable definition and the real, my definition.
	The charitable definition is a woman's advocacy movement at best.
	At worst, it's that plus massive hatred of men, misandry, and actually a movement towards a, what's the right word for this?
	Female supremacy, even?
	Yeah.
	Matriarchy.
	Gynocentrism.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What Rolo uses, gynocentrism.
	Faux show.
	I'm not going to go down my rabbit hole.
	Well, it's okay.
	You do not want to go down that rabbit hole.
	I don't?
	No, no.
	I'm warning her.
	No.
	I've been up like a long time.
	Tell me what your definition of feminism is.
	She's sleep deprived.
	Yeah, I'm majorly.
	As of 8 a.m., I'll be up 48 hours.
	Okay.
	She drove in from a drone here in America.
	Wait, but what's your definition of feminism?
	It's the advocacy for equal rights of women.
	Why is that supposed to be a negative term?
	What rights do women not have that men have right now?
	Are there male sex slaves in the world right now?
	I'm sure there are.
	That are not children?
	I'm sure there are.
	I want one.
	There's not any that exist in the whole world.
	There's no men that are sex slaves in the world.
	I'm not knocking into these statistics.
	I'm going to be here for seven hours.
	I'm just kidding.
	Go Google it and come back.
	I guarantee you there's men that are sex slaves in the world that exists.
	I like how you want to look at the five and then there'll be like 95.
	I'm not saying that.
	You said there were none that exist.
	I'm saying I guarantee you that there's something.
	But how is that related to rights?
	Rights are granted by the government.
	What rights do women not have that men have?
	Goodness.
	So you don't think women should have the right to live freely and not be sex slaves?
	Well, of course, nobody deserves to be a slave.
	But what right?
	How is that related to government rights?
	What government allows sexual slavery?
	Can you tell me which nation?
	Which one doesn't?
	What are you talking about?
	America has legalized female sex slaves?
	Oh my God, no.
	I'm not saying that they've legalized.
	I'm saying obviously this stuff happens.
	But that's not a right.
	Rights are granted by the government.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay, so how about a Western country?
	Can you see the people who are in the world?
	Do you have a right to live, right?
	Tell us one.
	Who gives you that right to live?
	The government?
	Tell us one Western country where sex slavery is legal.
	I like how you had to make sure you said Western.
	Well, I like no, no, no.
	You're doing the exact same thing you think you're accusing me of.
	Every time we push back on your feminist worldview, you want to be like, well, in South Sudan, the fucking, who, bro.
	So the rest of the world doesn't matter.
	Okay, I don't know about the happenings of feminism in Eritrea.
	I don't know about feminism in Ghana.
	But that's my country.
	I'm here to raise this country.
	We live in the United States.
	Let's at least talk about the West.
	But let's preferably talk about the United States.
	Let's say this.
	Let's say you have a daughter in the future.
	Sure.
	And she wants to travel the world.
	Are you going to feel okay that she is safe to travel around the world by herself?
	I wouldn't send my daughter or my son because I believe that she needs to be accompanied by a man.
	And why is that?
	Because the rest of the world doesn't share my values.
	Okay, exactly.
	Now, if it was your son, would you say the same thing?
	I would still prefer him to be with a group of people.
	But even then, at least a man.
	Do you want to travel the world alone?
	You know what's funny is she has this sort of xenophobia towards these Eastern countries or these third world countries, but she's totally in favor of allowing their immigrants to come to our civilized Western country.
	How do you reconcile?
	How do you reconcile always like deferring to this argument of, well, what about in fucking Somalia?
	There's not feminism in Somalia, but you're like, well, I think it's okay if we just have open borders and like all their immigrants can come into the United States.
	When did I say that?
	You literally said you're okay with that.
	No, I did not.
	You're putting words in my mouth.
	I did not.
	I promise you.
	Feminism has given every modern civilization a lack of a replacement rate regarding birth.
	So almost every civilization in which feminism has become somewhat normalized, they're not even at replacement rate, which is like 2.1 children per woman.
	But why do you blame it on feminism necessarily?
	Because it's totally shifted the relationship dynamics and the way that women perceive themselves and men and how what's the point of us getting together in the first place.
	And then the idea that you don't want to have a child because of your career or money or different things and that now you have a, you know, your child's a fur baby.
	Like this is all types of things.
	This is feminism seeking into other things.
	Like for example, when we used to live like agrarian societies, then children were an economic asset because you needed people to work on your farm.
	But as we shifted to industrialized societies, like so industrialized societies were below replacement rate?
	Because we weren't.
	Not at the beginning.
	What are your pronouns, by the way?
	My pronouns are zur, zem.
	Nice.
	I'm transracial.
	What race do you identify as?
	I identify as black.
	You identify as a black woman, right?
	Yeah.
	I could say that.
	I'm not a woman.
	I'm non-binary.
	Oh, sorry.
	Non-binary black, trans-ageist or whatever it was.
	I'm also neurodivergent.
	Well, we got that before you cost him up.
	Just kidding.
	All right.
	How did we get back to.
	I don't know how we got back here.
	We're a long lining room.
	You were reading a chat or something.
	It's a long lining rubber.
	We got some stuff.
	I was on a debate team at my private Christian high school.
	You should get a refund.
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	You've been doing great.
	I love you.
	No, you don't.
	I love you.
	You're wonderful.
	Wow.
	That's a strong word.
	Yeah, it's love.
	It's all love.
	It's all love.
	You know, we're just having a little conversation.
	Not the internet, though.
	The internet's not all the love.
	All right, you've got Snapchat.
	Brian, watching the podcast for the last eight months and going through videos from most recent, told us, looks like you're finally losing weight.
	Nah, bro, it's still the same.
	I think I gained two pounds, actually, so shit.
	It's coming off, though.
	It's coming off.
	Chloe's my personal trainer.
	Anubis reloaded.
	She was wrong about the case.
	He was Brock Turner.
	That was okay.
	He was charged with the crime and convicted, but his sentence was light.
	He was still allowed to graduate, too.
	Okay.
	Oh, I remember this one.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Anubis, for that.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the super chats.
	Guys, guys, $69 TTS.
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	Chair 3 said everyone being safe is a reasonable request.
	It's actually entirely unreasonable and divorced from reality.
	Nobody owes you safety.
	And no, there's no right to live.
	Delusional.
	I didn't realize the government couldn't decide if we live or die.
	Well, I mean, couldn't they, though?
	Like, let's say there was, like, look at Cambodia, for example, or, you know, there's been a lot of dictatorships.
	The government can take away your rights.
	Yeah, but you were talking about the U.S. Right.
	Even in the U.S., it's conceivable that a government could come into power that could take away your rights.
	And by the way, I'm speaking descriptively.
	I'm not saying that that should be the case.
	But you would agree that it could, it's logically possible that in the United States, a government could come to power that stripped back people's rights.
	Yeah.
	It's possible.
	So do rights actually exist is the question you have to ask yourself.
	Right.
	But just because take it away, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
	But it's a mental fictition that's granted by the consent, the social consensus regarding the government.
	So that's where, again, the argument's made about duties versus rights.
	Rights are granted by the government.
	As people made in the image of God, we have duties.
	And Andrew talks a lot about this and uses this as a point to differentiate between how we engage in society and that men and women should have duties and responsibilities because responsibility comes with duty.
	And the idea that women, feminism, can live in a world that men created without any responsibility or duty to the collective, right?
	You guys, when we now were in apparently war with Iran, you guys aren't going to be conscripted to go to the front line.
	But men have that obligation.
	And they're getting conscripted.
	I'm just, it's a hypothetical.
	I'm not saying that Trump is using the draft right now, but I'm saying in that instance, men have a duty to society that is all we all have socially granted.
	What duty do women have to society?
	A volunteer's tribute.
	Well, we have children.
	Do they?
	Because it doesn't seem like they are.
	I mean, we're totally below replacement rate.
	I know.
	Well, good for you.
	And I think that's fantastic.
	And you're married and you've been married for a long time and you have four children.
	You have contributed more to society than the vast majority of women because of that.
	Without women, we wouldn't have Wi-Fi.
	Do you realize that?
	Oh, my God.
	Anyway, all right, whatever.
	This girl is killing me.
	I am my mother's daughter.
	Wait, you do realize, though, without men, y'all would still be living in caves and like teepees and shit.
	Without women, humanity wouldn't exist.
	Okay, well, okay, now we're getting to like.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, yeah, but they would be the same for men if there weren't any men in the middle of the moment.
	Actually, no, they just started making children.
	Okay, but if historically there were men.
	Oh my god, what the fuck?
	If all men disappeared like today, that'd be the end of the species.
	I would hate life.
	Probably.
	The world would be hateful.
	It's actually women who invented everything.
	That's my guess.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	It's her character.
	It's her character.
	Don't let her bait you.
	Okay, finishing up the notes.
	Finishing up the notes, we have Shula.
	I should have done this before you put your costume on because it will sound totally weird.
	It's all good.
	Okay.
	You said your husband was on a blind date.
	Oh, this is about your husband?
	Yeah, it's a story about my husband.
	Okay, the girl is very disrespectful, ignoring him, texting on her phone.
	Then she ordered the most expensive thing on the menu and had it packed to go home, and she just left.
	Oh, that's fucked up.
	Okay, it is.
	Let's see.
	That's crazy.
	You said that.
	He was so shocked.
	She was just hungry.
	It was not me.
	Okay.
	It was not me.
	Chloe, skidding a little bit.
	You said dating for the sake of dating is bad, especially for women.
	You should only date for marriage.
	Okay.
	Yeah, if I do it wearing this, it will sound really weird.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, that's what I believe.
	And I am religious.
	I'm Jewish Orthodox.
	So that's what I did for myself.
	Like, I only dated for marriage.
	And, you know, that's why we dated for such a short period of time because you're not supposed to live with the person that you're dating.
	And you're not even supposed to touch because touching is a distraction.
	So we didn't touch the whole time.
	And that's how we got married.
	You said, so you said there's like matchmakers involved.
	There's no socializing between men and women.
	That's a different kind of society.
	That's, yeah, that's not the society that I was part of.
	But I mean, I could talk about it.
	Oh, okay.
	Did you?
	So you never did anything like oral or like any like other before like she said dating before you didn't touch anything.
	She said no, she said that you didn't kiss him until you married him.
	No girl, but look, they're still married.
	That is, no, I'm not hating on that.
	I love, that's your journey.
	That's cool.
	I respect it.
	I adore it.
	She got married.
	Love that.
	Not my journey, but I respect your journey.
	Still marry more children.
	Thank you.
	Like, I think that's amazing that you can, like, only.
	But that's because she comes from a community that's very insulated and they date within their community.
	So I'm sure that her community, her parents, were involved in choosing the partner and going through a process to confirm.
	Because again, the whole point is long-term marriage and children.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and when you touch the other person, it's a distraction because then you don't see the whole person.
	You don't see their personality.
	Don't think like, oh, is he going to be the right husband for me or the right father for my children?
	And it works.
	How long were you with him before you got married?
	Three months.
	Three months before you got married?
	Huh?
	Oh, okay.
	So you weren't waiting that long before you got to talk.
	That's why marriages happen quickly because, you know, if you wait for too long, then you might be tempted to do things.
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	Appreciate the tune.
	Hey, he's got that casino money.
	Yeah.
	He's got that.
	Yeah, he's a baller.
	Do you know him personally?
	Yeah, he's my homie.
	He took me to the reservation.
	He's First Nations Canadian.
	Do you want me to link you up with Pasty?
	You're single, right?
	You want me to set you up?
	No.
	You don't like First Nation?
	Are you racist or what?
	I don't know his personality.
	I don't know anything about him.
	He's great.
	I grade him one through ten.
	He's a ten.
	He's a ten out of ten.
	I don't know if I trust your level of niceness.
	Judgment in character.
	He's very handsome.
	I don't know if I trust your judgment on that either.
	He's got.
	Is he pasty?
	No, that's the weird thing, he's very tan.
	He's tan.
	He's tendriling.
	So you don't date native Canadians?
	Tan native.
	Do you have a type or something?
	I actually don't have a type.
	Personality.
	Just personality?
	Yeah.
	Your personality, gal.
	Yeah.
	My like exes are like all over the place.
	All righty.
	We have sycophants.
	Thank you, man.
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	Been a while since my last dongo.
	But Brian, you are a wizard sleeve loving weirdo, lollier freak clol.
	Yeah, man.
	He's talking about large labia, big labia matter.
	Yeah.
	You know, I got, hey, you know, we all have our types.
	What do you do with that organization?
	Like, the what?
	Your big labia beyond.
	Oh, we do advocacy.
	It's very grassroots.
	Okay.
	I understand.
	It's just very like love and peace.
	Is that your legitimate preference?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	People think I'm loose labia.
	Well, hey, not loose, large.
	100%.
	You are just loose labia.
	See, this is the thing.
	Sometimes girls be labia catfishing.
	Like some girls will claim.
	Some girls claim they have an Audi, but it's not even.
	It's maybe a MIDI at best.
	Oh my God, not a MIDI.
	But yeah, some girls will be catfishing.
	Now I think about it.
	What do you have?
	I've looked up the labia plasty several times.
	i don't know i kind of i kind of i i i like mine Who here has looked up labia plasty?
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	Big Natalia.
	Thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Fuck you, Natalia.
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	Thank you, Natalia.
	Guys, W's in the chat.
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	Do you all have plans for when AI floods the beauty market with tens that will do anything that they are asked for $1 a month and annihilate slow effort, beauty-based content, creation of etc.
	You all have plans for it?
	Are they saying like AI will take over the OnlyFans creators?
	Don't they already have that?
	They already have that.
	And it's like, I think it's quite obvious that they're not real.
	And also they'll eventually find out that it's AI talking to them.
	I saw an Instagram account.
	No, it's a beautiful AI girl, but she had like over a million followers.
	You know, I was actually on the way to the studio.
	I was thinking about this today.
	What is going to be moving off of that specifically a little bit?
	What is going to be the first number one music hit that was made by just AI?
	AI terrifies me.
	Eventually, I think there is going to be a song that hits number one on the charts that's just AI.
	Those are made from AI.
	I mean, it could be already happening.
	We don't even know.
	And like the artist.
	I wouldn't be totally surprised.
	Yeah.
	Country.
	There's also a guy.
	He says he uses AI, but he puts like a woman's image over him, like a beautiful girl.
	And he does all the things, but he pretends to be an AI woman.
	Yeah.
	Do you find that morally wrong?
	I mean, I find it's also fascinating if you think about it, but he claims to make great money.
	There's too many Sims out there.
	I mean, I'm sure.
	I think just on how fast AI is going, maybe within one or two years, this podcast could be reproduced.
	Like, and it would look really good.
	I mean, AI already looks good, but like, it could.
	It could be done.
	Maybe I won't even do the show anymore.
	Just fucking do AI episodes.
	That shit will be crazy.
	When is your YouTube pranks?
	Go back to that.
	You don't want to ever do that again?
	Nah, probably not.
	I mean, I have like 300 more ideas, but.
	Wait, you did pranks?
	Are you kidding me?
	Yeah, I used to.
	I used to do.
	It was like the best.
	That was like my childhood.
	Like, punked.
	No, not like punked, but like hidden cameras.
	They should bring that back.
	They should.
	They should.
	Okay, I think that's it for the notes.
	We're going to do some of the questionnaire stuff, then hopefully get wrapped up.
	I don't know.
	Soon-ish, but no promises.
	Okay, so.
	oh wait is that it for the is that it for the notes Okay, we have to do, we did one to ten.
	You know what?
	Let's just do this quick.
	Actually, hold on.
	I'll save that for later.
	It's okay.
	We did.
	Oh, Shula, you said red pill is just as toxic as feminism.
	Yeah, I just just as?
	Yeah, because I'm an ex and it's just like the number of men who are angry and lonely and they hate women is just insane.
	Into the mic, into the mic.
	Yeah, the number of men who are like lonely and angry and they hate women is just insane.
	Hey, put Chloe, put the mic at the edge of the table.
	My back is hurting.
	Like this?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so by red pill, I mean people like Andrew Tate, you know, like Nick Fuentes, and I think they influence men in a really bad way.
	But I mean, I wouldn't consider Nick Fuentes red pill per se, maybe politically, but are you meaning more like the Manosphere?
	Yeah, Manosphere, yeah, that's what I mean.
	Yeah, I wouldn't consider Nick Fuentes part of that.
	But I also wouldn't consider the Manosphere, the red pill, causing men to be angry at women.
	And the red pill manosphere generally is not MGTOW, which is men going their own way, where they totally want to disavow women totally.
	So I think there's a lot of useful stuff that the Manosphere talks about.
	And on a descriptive level, I agree with a lot of it as a traditional Christian.
	On a prescriptive level, meaning what we should do based on the way that society is, I differ quite drastically from the Manosphere because I'm going to return back to tradition and religion as opposed to some of the remedies that they recommend.
	Right.
	So I understand that feminism is toxic and it's caused a lot of this, but they're doing the reverse and it's really toxic.
	Just as toxic.
	Because feminists.
	I would say it's just as toxic.
	Yeah, because feminists blame men for everything and they demonize men.
	And the Manosphere people, they do the same to women.
	But okay, let's go ahead and grant.
	I disagree, but let's grant for the sake of argument.
	Let's say yes, red pill is mirror opposite of feminism.
	But when you say just as bad as, can it ever be the case that like the handful of like somewhat influential red pill creators have nearly the amount of reach and institutional power that feminism has?
	No, but I'm saying in in the future, like I can see it being, I'm sorry they're not gonna teach red pill in college.
	Well, it's a lot.
	I mean, it's just starting.
	Feminism didn't start like being really big red pill.
	So again, I disagree with your assessment.
	But even granting that like they're the mirror, they're kind of just like the ideology is bad.
	But you agree that some ideologies have more reach and influence than others.
	Yeah but, but some ideologies start off small but they have the potential to expand.
	I, I mean, sure potenti, is it possible?
	I don't, but I don't think it's probable.
	Realistically though, currently there's no way that you can actually make the claim that red pill is as bad as feminism.
	Okay, but like look, for example, at what Andrew Tate is Like.
	He's saying, I have like 100 kids.
	You know, to be a really powerful man, you have men have to sleep with all this women, you get them pregnant, you move on to another woman.
	Like, that's it's not toxic to say that.
	I mean, it might be better than the anti-natalist position of feminism, which is don't have children.
	Focus on your career, don't or put off children or don't have children.
	I don't necessarily agree with polygamy, but I think that that might be better than the anti-natalism of feminism.
	No, but they say that feminism led to promiscuity, and feminism destroyed the family.
	Like, if you practice like what Andrew Tate is saying, the result is promiscuity.
	And the result is there's no family.
	If you have 100 kids, you can't take care of your kids.
	You can't be a father.
	So, there's all this also fatherlessness, right?
	So, I see this as being potentially very, very damaging.
	Sure, but I don't think, again, Andrew Tate or anybody who advocates the same things as Andrew Tate has nearly the level of influence that feminism does.
	It's growing.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, it's Andrew Tate has been de-platformed since 2022, 2023.
	His influence has waned substantially.
	He's been targeted.
	Look, I don't know the truth of his criminal cases or whatever that are currently pending.
	There's some disputes as to whether it's, you know, sort of there's a political component there.
	But he's been attacked by the Matrix.
	He's lost vast amounts of his influence.
	And all the platforms, he's been deplatformed.
	But he's got like millions of followers on X. Like he's posted something.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, he posts something.
	The next second, he's got thousands of likes and views.
	Right.
	And feminism is taught at every single college in this.
	Feminism is taught at every single university and college in this country.
	There's thousands and thousands of universities and colleges across the United States.
	They have millions or billions of dollar endowments.
	That is power.
	That is, it's systemic.
	It's institutional power.
	And it's not just the university system.
	You look at media, you look at journalism, you look at news, you look at corporations, you look at governments, not just the federal level, but you can look at the county, the city, whatever smaller jurisdictions there are.
	Feminism is so entrenched and steeped in all these levels of society.
	To say that red pill ideology, which is like completely and is completely small and insignificant in comparison to the power that feminism has across institutions.
	Right, but like I see it as a tidal wave.
	You know, it's coming and it's growing and it's growing.
	So I'm not saying that feminism doesn't have more power.
	Of course it does.
	Would you prefer red pill or feminism?
	I think they're both toxic.
	No, I if you had to pick one.
	The reason I created this character is because I don't like extremes.
	You know, my extremes.
	If you had to pick one.
	I just would move to another planet.
	You had to pick one.
	Seriously.
	No, I'm not.
	I can't.
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, you could, but.
	I just think they're mirror images of each other and they're both just awful.
	Okay, but I disagree.
	I don't think that, like Patrick was saying, as it relates to some of the prescriptions of the red pill.
	And the red pill, like, what exactly is that?
	It's hard to define it, but like you know what I mean.
	But some of the things, I mean, generally speaking, the red pill is talking about we live in a gynocentric world order.
	I mean, that's true.
	Divorce courts are totally aligned against men and are robbing men from paternity and access to their children.
	That's also true.
	Hypergamy, that it's very difficult for men to find women that won't level up at the first opportunity that they have.
	That's also true.
	So there's a lot of things within the red pill that are very much true just about the state of the world.
	And I may have my own differences with Andrew Tate regarding polygamy or how he does his own lifestyle and family organization.
	But most of his content is really getting young men to desire to become the best version of themselves.
	And I think if we want a more stable and less of a crime-ridden society, men, especially young men, becoming the best version of themselves is the best thing that's for everybody at this table.
	And it's going to make everybody at this table more safe.
	No, but he's trying to make men in his own image.
	And that's not a good image for men.
	Oh, I agree that your masculinity is not defined by your Bugatti and stuff like that.
	And I think if he is pressed, he would also agree with that.
	That's just part of his bravado and like his persona and his online image.
	And that's where, again, regards the prescriptions, yeah, I would totally disagree.
	But I think the red pill is a necessary antidote and counterweight to feminism just to try to level the spectrum and give young men the opportunity to re-envision and perceive the world in a correct way so that they can navigate it correctly.
	Because there's a lot of odds that are stacked against young men.
	Like this whole idea about we live in a patriarchy and men are privileged, like it's just not the case.
	Young men, especially white Christian men in America, are the most demonized.
	And they have no privilege.
	Like what privilege does a, let's say he comes from a lower middle class white Christian male, what privilege does he have in this society?
	Yeah, no, I don't get that.
	I get that, but like there are a lot of things in the red pill that overlap with like your general conservative ideas.
	And that's fine.
	I'm not disputing that.
	I'm disputing all these different radical ideas that exist in the red pill.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, and I would disagree with those prescriptions as well.
	Yeah, so that's what I mean.
	All right.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	I think we're all done with the notes.
	We have some questionnaire stuff.
	We're going to blast through the questionnaire.
	So why don't we start?
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Go ahead.
	Sea Dog.
	A million.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Like $100K.
	$100K?
	All right.
	What about you?
	If we're both working, I would just want it to be equal.
	So, whatever I'm making.
	Do you want to share what that is, or Lindsay?
	Lindsay?
	In the six-figure range.
	Well, say you guys get together and you make the same amount, and then later in the relationship, you start to make more or considerably more.
	Is that going to affect the dynamic between you and him?
	Even though when you first got together, maybe it was totally comparable.
	No, because I've supported my ex all through COVID when he got fired right before the quarantine.
	So, no.
	Yay.
	She's a provider.
	She wears Jesus.
	I am a girl.
	She's a boss bed.
	She's the girl boss.
	She is daddy and mommy.
	Dude, for Father's Day, I had my mom wear the collar daddy hat, and then I put her pronouns are mom/dad.
	What about you?
	Totally depends.
	As long as he can afford his own lifestyle.
	Like if he's already living on his own, affording all his bills and everything, that's good for me.
	Give us a number.
	Throw out the number.
	Oh, gosh, I don't know.
	Also, like, Canadian currency is way different than here.
	So give us.
	Yeah, that's just continuing rounded in general.
	And it's also like, I think it's more expensive here than.
	Do you guys have cars there?
	Cars?
	Yeah, cars.
	No.
	We actually still ride horses to get around.
	That's what I figured, yeah.
	All right.
	So 100K?
	You want 100K?
	What do you want?
	Sure.
	All right.
	Canadian, I guess.
	I don't really care as long as the guy just like treats me right.
	Into the mic.
	I don't really care as long as the guy treats me right.
	So you can work.
	Have you dated a McDonald's employee?
	No, I have not dated a McDonald's employee.
	But if I come across one who's like really nice and funny, maybe I'll date a McDonald's employee.
	Right.
	Is it okay if his wiener is who was that?
	Micro?
	No.
	No, just like average.
	Then no.
	Who said that the.
	But I kind of like the six, a six.
	No, somebody, another girl said that she needs a certain size wang.
	Wasn't that you?
	Well, somebody, I don't know.
	Just for functional purposes.
	She needs to be aware of that.
	Yeah, for functionality, she makes it five or more.
	Yeah.
	We're talking about just like pretending you're actually enjoying it, you know?
	All right.
	Anastasia.
	Yeah, 60 plus.
	60 plus.
	Then that.
	What about you?
	I'm married already.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Are you the breadwinner?
	No, I'm a stay-at-home mom.
	Wait, by the way, so originally, and I was trying to find the tweet, I think you tweeted at me or something.
	And then that's when I think we invited you on the show on X.
	I tweeted.
	You were probably talking shit.
	No, I didn't tweet it.
	It's okay.
	I'm not.
	People talk shit all the time.
	I don't remember doing that.
	I don't remember doing that.
	Or you were maybe responding to either something I said or Andrew said, maybe?
	Yeah, I was talking to Andrew.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He's brilliant at firing people up.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what it was or don't remember?
	We're talking about Israel.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I'm not strong.
	I'm just avoiding that one.
	Okay.
	Minimum income.
	I don't.
	I don't really care.
	I think it's more so I'm not going to provide for someone's lifestyle.
	If they want to live a certain way, they can provide for that themselves.
	But I mean, there must be some number, right?
	I agree.
	I mean, I don't really.
	I don't know.
	But you wouldn't raise that one.
	When you date a guy who works at a fast food joint?
	If he was respectful and he works hard, I think it's the integrity behind working.
	How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	Go ahead, C-Dog.
	I'm 5'7.
	God damn, bro.
	Look at that microphone.
	That microphone's like tilted like way.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	What?
	Chloe, put that.
	This girl's turn.
	Man, go straight.
	Turn it straight.
	Scoot that way.
	Get.
	Scoot.
	Get.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	I'm 5'7.
	Do you have like scoliosis or what's up?
	Bro, I'm just really.
	Poor girl's spine's all fucked up.
	No, I don't have scoliosis.
	I'm just like, my back hurts all the fucking time using my titties.
	Do you ever regret?
	Wait, just curious, how big were they before?
	They were pretty big, like a C cup or yeah, A, B, C, yeah, C, a full C. Anybody else here have fake titties?
	Nope.
	No?
	Can't say I do.
	But C is that's that's kind of big, right?
	Like ish.
	Now they have double D snack.
	Why are you saying that?
	I'm just so hungry.
	Get this girl some applesauce.
	Do we have any apples?
	I actually would love that.
	Do we have any food?
	I'll pick her up.
	Do we have any food?
	Maybe I should.
	Maybe we'll.
	My tummy's been like growling so loud the whole podcast.
	I hope you can't hear it.
	No, I haven't.
	Don't worry.
	We haven't heard it.
	I'm going to readjust so that you guys don't hear the grumbling.
	Wait, so did you have back pain before you got the surgery?
	No, it was after.
	And like, I do kind of regret it.
	I'll just talk.
	She doesn't.
	She doesn't like toffee crisps.
	So you wait, but that's kind of goes back to what we were talking about.
	Like.
	Like, you'll have back pain for titties.
	I would, I have a chronic back injury and chronic back pain, chronic neck pain.
	To get rid of my, like, I got, I don't know if the viewers know this.
	I'm, I'm using ice packs like half the show.
	I use it on my neck, use it on my back.
	All right, relax.
	This is mine.
	I'm greedy.
	I would, to get rid of my back pain, I might actually, like, if it was the case, that I had to get fake titties to get rid of my back pain, I would do it.
	That's how bad my back pain is.
	You got fake titties in the, like, kind of the reverse.
	Honestly, I didn't think that I thought it was only like natural girls get back pain, to be honest, but no.
	How much do implants weigh?
	Are they heavy?
	I feel like they are heavy.
	She's so small and they're so big.
	I mean, that's why sometimes implants in general just cause back pain.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have.
	Oh, how tall are you?
	And what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	Wait, you're talking to me?
	I guess, yeah.
	five seven six feet okay what about how tall is young he's seven feet tall He's actually 7 feet tall.
	He's actually 7 feet tall.
	That's insane.
	Do you think he's like...
	Honestly, it's kind of like weird.
	Like, he's like too tall.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'7", like 5'7", I would do 5'6", but that's like the least, because a short and a fat is...
	5'7 here, but yeah, that's fine.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'3.
	So probably 5'7 and above.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'6, and minimum would be like 5'10, but like nothing over like 6'3.
	I'm 5'7, and I like 5'11 guys.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'5, and I'm fine with anybody 5'6 and taller.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm 5'4 and my husband is 6'1, I think.
	All right.
	I'm 5'4.
	I would prefer like 6, but I have dated somebody almost the same height as me.
	5'7.
	Okay.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear on a hike?
	I keep writing down bear, but I think I'm like re-evaluating that.
	It's definitely a man.
	I'm literally so dumb.
	You always say it like sad.
	All right.
	She picks bear.
	What about you?
	Oh, man.
	A bear is like always going to kill you.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm better at handling men than bears.
	All right.
	What about you?
	It's which one I'd rather cross paths with.
	Oh, yeah, a man.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	A bear, because I feel like if a man were to kill me, it would be like in some psychotic way out there.
	And like a bear is just going to, it's going to, I'm going to die pretty quick.
	True.
	All right.
	What about you?
	A man.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	It depends if it's a black bear or a brown bear.
	Well, so it's a random man or a random bear.
	So it could spawn in a grizzly.
	It could spawn in like a polar bear.
	Aw, a polar bear would be cute.
	Oh, they're the most dangerous.
	They're the scare bears.
	Yeah, they're the most dangerous of all bears.
	All right, what about you?
	A bear.
	Okay.
	Those of you who picked bear, why do you pick bear?
	Going this way?
	I don't know.
	I kind of agree with her saying that if I were to die, it would not be in some crazy.
	Right, but the hypothetical doesn't necessarily indicate that the man's going to go.
	I don't want to come across some random dude on a hike.
	Like, I feel like I'm in the middle of nowhere if I'm by myself.
	You'd rather go across a random man.
	I don't know.
	I feel like that could be a violent.
	I probably have more of a heart attack seeing a man in the wilderness.
	I'm not even going to lie.
	Just like alone.
	You have more of a chance of fighting it off, though.
	No.
	No.
	Like, no.
	The bear, like, he may go away, you know, but if he comes back.
	Can you scoot the mic back?
	You know?
	Brown, you lay down.
	Black, you fight back.
	It's like the wilderness.
	That's what you do with bears.
	It's a polar bear, you're fucked.
	All right.
	So is there like a, is there a component here like the man could essay?
	Is that a component?
	Yes.
	I mean, yeah.
	Okay.
	But also just like he might have like gear on it.
	I don't know what he's doing out there.
	Maybe he's a park ranger.
	Yeah, but like then the what if the bear is just like a little bear and he just runs off It's just kind of stunning that the randomness of coming across a man like invokes so much fear and the thought of immediately he's gonna kill you.
	I mean you've yet to come across a man who attempted to do that, right?
	So what's the point?
	I mean I don't really I don't put myself in those situations.
	Wait, regardless of nature, hold on.
	You've put yourself alone in rooms by the time you were 18 with like 100 plus men.
	Unless y'all were fucking in public or some shit.
	Willingly.
	I wasn't like in the wilderness and then I saw him.
	But you would willingly go out into the wilderness and it's plausible that it not the wilderness.
	It's on the hike, so it's like...
	I don't know.
	If you're trying to prove like that I'm a dumb bitch, then sure.
	Like probably.
	Wow.
	She's just like, I don't know.
	Just call me a dumb bitch.
	Like, yeah, like, I don't.
	Okay, cool.
	Like, I'm dumb.
	I don't know.
	Wow.
	All right.
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	I'm not a debater.
	I will accept that.
	I accept defeat.
	You know, I accept defeat.
	I just, I, you know, I cower.
	Do you want to, she wants to get back.
	Do you want to get back to talking about?
	God, what?
	Never mind.
	What do you want me to do?
	But so I guess, final question then.
	I know you don't want to really engage too much on the debate, but is there a component like, yeah, the guy could like do some creepy, pervy shit, essay, whatever?
	Yeah, but like also, yeah.
	I mean, sure, but like I'm not saying it in like a hyper-feminist way.
	Like, oh my God, he's for sure going to like, is that what you're trying to get at?
	Because I feel like that's like where you're trying to get at.
	No, but what's your risk assessment?
	Like, do you think 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%?
	I just know if I saw a man out in the wilderness, like, he'd be like way more set in like his gear than I would be, just in general, because I wouldn't know anything about being in the wilderness.
	And I just feel like he'd be like, I just don't know what he would, what the fuck is he doing by himself?
	Like, what the fuck is he doing?
	Like, I don't like that.
	You know, it makes me get the heebie-jeebies, Brian.
	It's a hike, though.
	It's a hike.
	But, like, I don't, like, this is just so hypothetical.
	I don't do that.
	You're not that.
	I just stay inside.
	I stay inside.
	I just picked up Tennis Leslie.
	Have I ever been to the club?
	The club.
	The club?
	In the B club?
	In the club.
	Yeah, I've been to the B club.
	T-H-A in the club.
	Oh, I've been in the D-A club.
	Oh, Duck Club.
	You've been in Duck club?
	Yes, Brian.
	Have you been in the in the Klerb?
	C-L-U-R-B?
	I haven't been to the Klerb, but I've been to Duck Club.
	Duh Club, but not.
	What about Duck Klerb?
	No, not about it.
	Okay.
	That's great.
	Okay, well.
	You ever walked past a guy in their club?
	I have many times.
	Okay.
	And then for you, is there a risk assessment?
	Sorry, I didn't mean the stab either.
	There's a risk assessment, like, okay, the guy could say, what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to do this, I guess?
	Are you asking me or him?
	I was not afraid of the bear.
	Oh, well, the way he pointed made me think.
	Yeah, I was just vaguely.
	I was afraid of the man, Rather.
	I was vaguely gesturing with my hand in your direction.
	Only because that's the mindset that I immediately went to, just because my biggest fear is to get kidnapped and taken.
	So I don't know.
	I don't think most guys in the world are like that, but the small percentage there is scares me.
	More so than a bear.
	Yeah, yeah.
	See, this is like.
	But what percentage of men do you think are, is it 10%?
	50%?
	That are going to hurt you?
	Yeah.
	I think it's 100%.
	15%.
	I think it's 100% of the men.
	15, 20%.
	I don't know.
	Thank you for your contribution.
	Appreciate it.
	I feel like, but the same thing.
	110%.
	I think all men are bad, Brian.
	Let's hear it.
	Tell me how you really feel.
	It's okay.
	You can open up.
	This is like a third.
	They're terrible.
	They're terrible.
	Don't ever listen to them.
	They're all liars, pieces of shit.
	Just kidding.
	She's getting drunk off the water.
	What's up?
	So, what is it, 10%?
	Yeah, 10%.
	All right.
	I'm not going to debate you much on the bear thing then.
	Disagreements.
	What women deserve at a certain weight?
	Why are you looking at me like that?
	That was your note.
	Oh, what did you say?
	Disagreements, what women deserve at a certain weight.
	Oh, I was just saying in general, like the weight topic, like what your stance on it.
	But we already talked about it.
	Yeah, we talked about it.
	And then going to my homegirl, my Caucasian, Lindsay Lee.
	What?
	What?
	Oh, gender bias, but it's natural as a man.
	Gender or bias.
	The question is: do you have any disagreements with the show host?
	You said gender bias, but it's natural as a man to have gender bias?
	Yeah, because of course you're going to like, okay, of course you're going to favor with the side that you're a part of.
	Isn't that what women do?
	Exactly.
	You know what's interesting, though?
	They've actually done studies on this.
	And while it might be the case for me that I lean more favorably towards men, they've actually found that not in a gay way.
	So women have an in-group, women have a, what is it?
	A strong in-group bias for women, and men have a slight out-group bias for women.
	Okay.
	So this means that actually men show like favoritism towards women.
	Well, yeah.
	And women show really, really strong for women.
	Yeah, I mean, it's not a monolith here.
	There's probably women who have an out-group bias for men.
	I'm just.
	Well, yeah, I mean, because obviously the coocher mouth feels better than your hand, so of course they're going to favor us.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	The cooch in your hunt?
	The what?
	And mouth is going to feel better than your hand.
	I mean, of course.
	She's saying that the reason they have an out-group preference is because they have the opportunity.
	Because they have the opportunity of sexual activity.
	Oh, yeah, the simps.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She's talking about the simps.
	The sims makes it.
	Multi-billion dollars over there.
	These damn sims.
	Her fans.
	It is true.
	That's why simping is a thing.
	My lovely fans.
	That's why these women, they ain't really simping out here.
	You know, it'd be nice to find a female simp.
	They're just.
	Oh, I'm a simp.
	Oh, I simp hard on guys.
	Yeah, I'm serious.
	I'm actually not serious.
	Lucy Goosey.
	No.
	Lucy Goosey.
	Lucy Goosey.
	Getting loose on water over here.
	And delirious.
	Okay, blasting through the questionnaire then.
	Because let's see.
	We have a woman's past should not matter.
	And Katarina, you disagree.
	Or sorry, you agree.
	You agree.
	A woman's past should not matter.
	Yeah.
	And you're the only person who circled that.
	That's kind of surprising.
	I'm not sure I believed that from the rest.
	Okay, why is that, Katarina?
	I feel like I've lived like a hundred different lives in the last like 24 years.
	So like you changed so much.
	I don't think that someone should when you say you've lived a hundred different lives.
	Like I've changed so much over the last 24 years.
	So I don't think like someone should come in and judge me for something I did like 10 years ago.
	Tell us what you did 10 years ago.
	To this day?
	Yeah, tell us what you did.
	I don't know.
	Nothing specific.
	You get sunburned 10 years ago?
	Yesterday.
	Damn, this girl's like looks like carrots.
	I know, it's bad.
	Shit.
	I'm like bruising from this.
	Fucking Canadians come down here and think they can just kick it in the summer, fucking summer solstice.
	What the fuck?
	Well, our UV only gets up to like eight highest.
	That's like a really good day.
	Yesterday was 11, so not a good day.
	They do have sunscreen, though.
	Anyways, okay, so woman's passion not matter.
	So what, what did you get into in your past?
	A lot.
	Like penis?
	You're talking about penis?
	No, just like when I was like, I don't know, like from like 14, 18, I partied a lot.
	And like a lot of people who like know me from that age would come in and be like, oh, she's a party girl or whatever.
	And now I don't even drink.
	So like a lot changes.
	Wait, you weren't drinking?
	I did drink.
	Okay, you did.
	Yeah, and now I don't drink.
	You don't drink at all?
	No.
	When's the last time you drank?
	Four, five months ago.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Well, okay.
	You're the only one who said a woman's passion not matter.
	The question then is, what about body count, though?
	Do you guys think it's should body count matter?
	Lucy-goosey?
	I feel like I've seen so many people.
	I'm like, if a guy told me, like, if he was like, you've had sex with so many people like you, I'd be like, you know, I kind of get it.
	But like, at the same time, I'm like, like, I can't.
	She's like, I get it.
	I kind of get it.
	I get it.
	I get like where they're coming from to a certain extent.
	Do I agree with it?
	No.
	But like, am I going to make a big deal about it?
	No.
	Well, this is the moment of the show where we, what's your body count?
	Oh, my gosh.
	I don't think I said it last time I was on.
	I'm not going to say it.
	Hey, yeah.
	I thought a woman's passion not matter, Katarina.
	It doesn't, but some things are just better left unsaid.
	Do you want to do a range?
	Definitely over seven.
	Between seven and one.
	What's that you?
	Body count?
	One.
	Come on, come on.
	You told me that.
	Come on, give us a number.
	One, Brian.
	You don't believe me?
	Bro, you're not going to be able to do that.
	I wore my most conservative dress today.
	For me.
	For you.
	Yeah.
	You didn't know I had the hots for you?
	Am I too grimy for you, Brian?
	She does.
	She likes the white ones, you know.
	I like them all.
	No, it's up there.
	Give us a ballpark.
	Oh, my God.
	Give us a ballpark.
	You know, like the four, five hundred C, senor.
	I didn't really have time for that.
	Like, I was like, I'm not going to be a good idea.
	How do you judge?
	You know what I mean?
	Before I even judging, I'm like, how do you even.
	Wait, but early on in the show, though, you said prior to graduating high school, it was like, what?
	Was it 150?
	Ballpark's what she said, yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay, wait, that was 12.
	It's not like my proudest thing, you know?
	18.
	But I'll share it for everyone.
	Hold on, let's do the math, Patrick.
	So, wait, she's 27.
	I'll make sure everyone knows.
	Wait, 27?
	You're 27?
	I'm 27 years old.
	Yes.
	Okay, wait, so from 12 to 18, 150.
	Thank you so much for calculating.
	And then that's really good.
	So that's six years.
	150.
	So six years.
	So six years, another six years gets us to 24.
	That means 300.
	And then 24 to 27.
	What's happening?
	150?
	That's 75?
	375.
	Oh, my God.
	Is it that?
	Do we find it out?
	According to my calculations, your body count is 375.
	But you do it.
	Is it too grimy for you?
	Oh, but she's been doing six to eight hour workdays.
	Oh, she's been doing.
	You know what?
	Let's talk to that.
	Let's just.
	Yeah, but I cut down those scenes.
	I'm going to add a multiplier.
	We're going to just go ahead and round up to 500.
	Awesome.
	If you're related to me and you're watching, I'm so sorry.
	She's so sorry.
	I don't know.
	Actually, no, I'm not.
	You know what?
	There's only one way to actually test.
	Oh, my God.
	Got to get the.
	Where's the fucking.
	What is happening?
	Keep calculating.
	It's overnight.
	Is it IPA?
	Was I?
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, 500 is about right.
	That was pretty accurate.
	All right.
	Good talk.
	Maybe I should start making guys sign their name in a notebook or something.
	Do you have a list?
	I did at one point.
	Do you still have it?
	No, I think it's actually in my parents' home.
	Wow.
	You should call them up.
	Tucked away.
	Hey, mom and dad.
	Yeah, hey, can you find this journal?
	It has a bunch of names in it.
	Yeah, the first.
	There's a couple.
	If you see Chuck.
	Okay.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Body count?
	Lindsay Lee.
	I don't know.
	Lindsay Miss.
	It was one until I was 21.
	FYI.
	And then what happened?
	And then I got recruited into corn by Brittany Amber.
	And I don't know.
	I've stopped counting.
	Ballpark?
	How many?
	Well, you've done over like 200 scenes or something, right?
	Yeah, over 250 scenes.
	250 scenes.
	And then that's not collabs, so I don't know.
	Oh, yeah, I forgot about this.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	Oh, shit.
	I have to do one tomorrow.
	Is it over 100?
	Yes.
	Over 200.
	Yes.
	Over 300.
	Yes.
	I don't know after that.
	You have to be more than me.
	I don't know.
	I was very loyal to my high school sweetheart.
	You really got a good start on her.
	Yeah.
	You know, I'm fucking stoked.
	Body count?
	I don't think it's anyone's business unless it's my partner.
	So I'm not.
	Yellow.
	Oh my God.
	You don't kiss and tell.
	I love that.
	No, I mean, I'm not like, I'm not a Virgin Mary, but I'm also not going to share.
	It's nothing crazy.
	Yesterday, you said tomorrow.
	So just do it.
	Make your dreams come true.
	Just do it.
	Okay, sir.
	Because I think my brother really likes her podcast.
	I'm where he's watching, so I'm like not gonna.
	He's not watching.
	Nothing is important.
	I don't see him in the chat.
	He looks so real.
	Would you, Chloe, would you get with Shia LaBeouf?
	What are you waiting for?
	That guy?
	Shy LaBeouf.
	Who wouldn't?
	He's cute.
	I heard smells.
	I heard he's a sea guy.
	Yes, you can.
	Like odor, like bad.
	It's the musk.
	You know, the band.
	He looks like it, you know?
	He looks like a smell.
	He looks like he might be a little musky.
	Sorry, Shia.
	Excuses, play like a champion.
	Ballpark range.
	Is it over 10?
	I don't know.
	Only I know.
	Okay.
	We'll keep it that way.
	Sea dog, Chloe.
	What's up?
	I already said it was five earlier.
	Okay.
	Was that you?
	Body count?
	Three.
	Three.
	Okay.
	One.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to disclose that.
	Ballpark.
	All right, guys.
	No, only because I don't want him to grow up one day and then watch me hear me say that.
	He ain't going to watch this shit.
	You don't know that?
	Everything on the internet stays there forever.
	And I mean, I kind of will tell my partner.
	I have a question for you.
	Last time I was on, you showed a video of some girl who like bows down to her husband, and you were like, that's how everyone should treat their husband.
	You have a girlfriend right now?
	That was my girlfriend, actually.
	Should we play the video here once she brought up?
	So she bows down to you every day?
	Window tab for the bow video is fine.
	And then you can play it.
	This is normal.
	So you just have it set up.
	Oh my god.
	I was like, hey guys, that was way too fast.
	He was on it.
	So this is, yeah.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Huge bow.
	Did you see the bow?
	And, you know, she's got, this was after a long podcast day.
	So she, you know, doing my laundry.
	She had my dinner ready.
	Yeah.
	Just got home to the apartment.
	So, you know, I was hungry.
	Had my dinner.
	This is a girl, a good girl is going to have your dinner, some food ready after a long day work.
	The beer, she's stirring my noodles.
	This is actually you.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it.
	I dumped her, though, because, I mean, if you know that her eyes are crazy.
	Do you know what language that was?
	What language?
	Yeah, at the very end, it came up with some words.
	Do you know what that language was?
	It was American, obviously.
	Look at the bow, though.
	So, yeah, Katarina, what's your question?
	Oh, does your girlfriend bow down to you every day?
	Oh, I didn't specify my relationship status, but.
	You said you had a girlfriend earlier.
	When did I say that?
	I can't remember the exact context, but you definitely did.
	I don't disclose my relationship status on the show.
	If I did have a girlfriend, trust me, she would.
	Okay.
	Or does.
	Oh, my God.
	Or maybe I'm a virgin.
	Who knows?
	I've never.
	You just talked about how it was uncomfortable with girls with big butts.
	Stick it in.
	Like, wait, you just called me.
	You called yourself out.
	Maybe I'm just imagining how it would be.
	You told us when you were in the middle of the day.
	When you were watching what?
	I was watching it.
	Teleton.
	I didn't do that.
	I don't watch.
	Honestly, though, I don't watch porn.
	Are you a butt or a boob guy?
	I'm a labia guy.
	Oh, my God.
	But I'm a labia guy.
	Give me A-cups, no butt, and a giant labia.
	Or wait, A-cups, no butt, and a giant labia.
	Yeah, yeah, that's another thing.
	There's a type for everyone.
	Look, oh, really quick on the plastic surgery thing we were talking about before.
	I would prefer a girl with A-Cups than perfect fake titties.
	I would prefer a girl with a little belly fat than the lipo belly.
	I think it looks kind of weird.
	I would prefer a girl with no upper lip than with the weird lip filler thing.
	No offense.
	What about natural titties?
	Oh, well, sure, yeah, that's fine.
	You look great.
	So, the only thing wrong here is that is my body count and what I do for a living.
	Pump the brakes there, okay?
	Loosey-goosey.
	I mean, shit, there's a lot.
	Look, his face is getting red.
	I'm blushing.
	My face is naturally red, okay?
	These girls always come.
	Oh, my God.
	I made them blush.
	Now I'm just red in general.
	Right.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Wait, where were we?
	Oh, and oh, flat butt over a BBL all day, every day.
	Some BBLs look crazy nowadays.
	They don't look right.
	None of them really look good.
	I mean, I'm all for like, I don't think that you can get surgery you want, but some of them look crazy.
	Especially over time, it gets so weird.
	Yeah, and like lumpy and wrinkled.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But if you already had a big butt, like my friend Taylor, she has a freaking fatty, and so do you.
	But yours is all natural round.
	It's my selling point.
	My selling point.
	What the fuck?
	But between the two, butt guy, I would say.
	I mean, both are nice, I guess.
	I don't know.
	But labia.
	It's labia, butt, boobs.
	Okay, so the butt comes first.
	No, labia, butts.
	But before the boobs.
	Yep.
	Yeah, more.
	Okay, but guy over boob guy, I guess.
	All right, let me let some chats come through before we get into more of the questionnaire.
	There's quite a few that have piled up.
	$69 TTS, guys.
	Get it in.
	Actually, you know what, Nick?
	We should pull up Twitch.
	Oh, my goodness.
	$69 TTS.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Guys, if you're watching, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	Guys, it's been well, that's a tier one.
	21 minutes.
	It's 38 minutes since we've had a prime sub.
	I think the prime subs are bugged, boys.
	Can you guys test it out and maybe check in the chat?
	I think.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you for clearing that up.
	Yops.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	We have to do some chats here.
	Oh, God.
	$69 TTS.
	Streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	Get it in.
	We have Base Thor, chair three, and it's an example of why.
	Oh, it's just going to read it.
	Base Thor donated $69.
	Chair 3 is an example of why 304 math should be a subject taught in schools nowadays.
	On behalf of Desert Joe and I, you can keep her where she belongs to the streets and not anywhere here in Arizona.
	Do you want to respond to Bass Thor?
	He's probably illegal anyway.
	Damn.
	What the fuck?
	That's crazy.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Some video game companies are now utilizing AI for their game creation, which has sped up the creation process immensely.
	AI steadily replacing a lot of things in many industries.
	They should use AI for all these TV shows that now take two years between seasons.
	What the fuck is that?
	Lost, which they filmed on location in Hawaii with like a mega cast.
	They pumped out 24 fucking episodes or some shit per year.
	What the fuck?
	Game of Thrones?
	House of the Dragon?
	Eight fucking episodes?
	You're giving me eight dog shit fucking episodes in two years?
	What the fuck?
	That's some fucking bullshit.
	Let me tell you.
	What the hell?
	What the hell?
	Anyways, all right.
	These girls don't know about House of the Dragon.
	They butchered that show.
	Okay, all right.
	We have Demon Slayer coming.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Demon Slayer donated $70.
	Black man, white man, or grizzly bear lost in the woods.
	Two, and what racial preference would you prefer your husband, ladies honesty?
	Racial?
	Okay, raise your hand if you want to marry a white.
	Wait, this is going to sound a little sus.
	White guy.
	Black guy.
	Brown guy.
	Asian guy.
	All right, they're.
	Anyone?
	The only one person in there.
	Their arms aren't working, I guess.
	Well, that's really quick on the bear thing.
	It looks like cancel culture.
	Like, what the fuck?
	Yeah, have a preference.
	Yeah, and then you get canceled.
	I think it's okay to have a preference.
	No.
	I'm on it.
	You're on the whatever.
	You can say whatever you want.
	I have to do things, you know?
	Oh, because the industry.
	Oh, wait, pull up the photo, Nick.
	I forgot about it.
	Pull up a photo.
	The more intensity of the industry.
	Pull up the photo.
	Oh, my God.
	I get it.
	I literally, I can't.
	She has to be very careful because Isaiah looks so good in that photo.
	Because blacked pays very well.
	Actually, no, that wasn't.
	That was a that was a collab.
	That was not.
	Oh, okay.
	Blacked.
	I haven't worked for them yet.
	I would like to work for them if you guys are watching.
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	Vixen, any comments?
	Really quick for those of you who picked Bear, which was you.
	Okay.
	Like regretting this decision now to choose bear.
	Eh, fuck it.
	I won't bring it there.
	I'd still choose bear over any, like anybody.
	No, bear.
	So I'll just break down my arguments super quick on this.
	So I think if a woman picks bear over man, that's a sexist position because there's some implication there that men are there's so many men.
	There's this overestimation that men are dangerous or predatory when the reality is the majority of men would never even think of harming somebody in this way.
	And I think about, well, okay, if we change it to make it racial, so if the question then becomes, you know, you instead of man versus bear, it's minority group versus bear.
	And then you pick the bear over the minority group, I think that that would be racist.
	So then, too, it must be sexist to pick bear over men.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you're racist.
	I do.
	Okay.
	I get that perspective.
	I think in my head, I think it comes through like experience.
	And obviously, like, I don't think every guy is bad, nor do I think the majority of guys are bad.
	I think with my experience, I chose a lot of bad guys.
	And so now my initial response and like thought process is like, if I were to encounter something like that alone, that's where my head goes.
	But not necessarily saying that that's actually like realistic.
	We have a super chat here.
	Ashley Burcell, chair one.
	I beg you to talk to your father.
	You not only fake your body, but you fake your voice too.
	Do you remember what it's like to be you anymore?
	I don't think you do.
	And chair two, you're 23 and that big.
	Hey, yeah.
	It's okay.
	Don't, hey, don't.
	I was even bigger than this, so it's okay.
	Can I talk about something about being fat real quick?
	Because you're less into the mind.
	How?
	Yes.
	I am 23 and this big, and that's why I'm also here is because I also want to tell other fat people.
	It is a very big deal to be this big at this age.
	It's not good.
	I don't think it's healthy.
	I'm not one of those big girls.
	Like, I promote that it's not a healthy lifestyle.
	It's literally like the same thing as being an alcoholic or an addict.
	I've been addicted to other things.
	It's even worse, in my opinion, because it's the hardest thing to stop doing because you have to eat every single day.
	You have to make that decision every single day.
	And I wouldn't wish the food noise and the problem I have in my head on anyone else.
	Like, if you're not, if you don't understand, you're lucky.
	You don't understand.
	As a fellow fat person, I feel specifically.
	I feel like I agree with you.
	You agree with me?
	Yes.
	Damn straight.
	Am I on the team?
	The fat team?
	Yeah.
	You'll be on the fat team.
	Go ahead.
	I'll be on the fat team.
	Yeah.
	She saw me.
	In your opinion, you think that you're on the fat team?
	I identify as fat.
	Yes.
	But I was even bigger than this.
	I've lost like 70 pounds.
	I almost had my own TLC show.
	Peak male performance over there.
	Yes, I see.
	I'm just getting.
	I got it.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	I didn't mean to cut you off.
	No, but I just feel like it's like, even to say that comments, like, who cares?
	Like, I'm very aware.
	I'm very aware of my issue.
	And all fat people are aware.
	Like, leave us alone.
	Like, we know.
	We don't need to hear it.
	We don't want to hear it.
	It's like the only opinion you should have is if you want to date me or not.
	That's the only, like, it shouldn't matter that I'm fat to you if you don't know me, if you're not my friend, if you're not my partner.
	I almost wish girls didn't want to fuck me.
	Ryan, like, because I feel like if I was deprived of pussy, then it's like, fuck, I gotta lose weight.
	But it's kind of you get to this like.
	Shut up.
	I'm not you.
	I'm talking about me.
	No, I know, but I'm like, well, I'm getting pussy.
	So I'm kind of good.
	So you are.
	So you're not a virgin.
	Wow.
	She's quick.
	See, that's why I never lost weight because the only reason I started losing weight was for my health.
	And like, I should have prioritized that a long time ago.
	But also in that relationship, I was in a, he wanted me to be big because he didn't want me to be.
	He's like a feeder.
	Well, that's a whole nother thing.
	There is feederism.
	And that's like, there's even death feederism that people are addicted to.
	this is a problem i was i've been in relationships where these men they they fetishize on it Then, yeah, not only that, but they use the fact that we have this issue because it is an issue.
	It's a thing that it's an actual issue.
	And people who have never been plus size, they don't understand.
	And I hate when people are like, oh, we'll just lose weight.
	Fuck yet, duh.
	Like, it's so much deeper and it's so much rude.
	I've been fat since I was a child.
	It's a thing that I really can't.
	It's the one thing in my life that I don't have control of.
	I'm successful.
	I have great things going for me.
	I have a great family.
	I have all these things that I have good besides this one thing in my life.
	And it sucks that in life, this tanks me so many points.
	And I'm aware of that.
	So that's why I'm trying to work on it.
	But I thought you were 10, though.
	I'm a fucking 10.
	But I also know in real life that I'm fucking tainted because I'm fat.
	Were your parents plus size too?
	So my dad passed away when I was six.
	He was a fatty too.
	Love you, dad.
	And my mom was very big.
	She's actually disabled.
	That's another thing.
	My mom is disabled because she was big and her knees are completely blown out.
	So I'm so aware, right?
	I'm so aware that I'm big.
	My mom is disabled because she was big and I'm still fighting this fight, right?
	It's like, I'm so aware and I'm still doing this.
	Like, so people act like people are not aware and these fat people are walking around and all they do is they're lazy and they don't, it's crazy.
	Like all we do is eat food.
	It's like when I go to McDonald's, I'm instead of getting a small meal, I get a large.
	That's the only thing that's different between us.
	You know what I mean?
	Like I'm the same person as everyone else.
	I just have bad decision making when it comes to food and I'm very aware of that.
	I feel that.
	And luckily.
	Fellow fat person.
	Fellow fat person.
	You understand.
	I get it.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes you just want the 10 piece, not the six.
	You know what I mean?
	And I can't help that.
	I'm not really.
	I think that's the best thing I've done.
	I'm not a nuggets guy.
	I'm uh what?
	I'm a burger guy and a burrito.
	Stop talking about food.
	I'm getting hungry.
	Oh shit.
	I literally haven't eaten at all today, which I was so hungry.
	Okay, we got super chats coming in.
	We got pasty George.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Again, a bear is chosen over a man.
	Yet, many women will still choose to travel to other countries with high crime rates and missing person cases.
	My mind is blown.
	Ha I thought we talked about it.
	I already admitted that already.
	This is all a comment that came up.
	For me personally, I found third black bears in the wild, so I don't think of bears as something dangerous, so that's why I picked the bear.
	I picked it because apparently I'm just fucking stupid.
	I don't know.
	Fuck.
	Self-awareness.
	Just kidding.
	You're very intelligent.
	Roris donated 69.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much, Brian.
	How many bears have you ran into in your lives?
	How many do you think you would survive?
	Per encounter.
	How many men have you ran into in their life, and how many have harmed you?
	You are all idiots.
	A lot of men, actually.
	Yeah.
	I have actually ran into a bear one time.
	I was on shrooms, a black bear.
	Are you sure it's real?
	No, it was.
	No, it was fucking real.
	Yeah.
	Are you sure so?
	So it was a fucking black bear.
	What about man or shark?
	Oh.
	Oh, fuck a shark.
	Definitely not a shark.
	Man.
	Like, let's say you're paddleboarding.
	Man.
	You're paddleboarding.
	You rather come.
	I choose the man that time.
	I don't even care if he does anything at that point.
	Fuck a shark.
	Sharks are my favorite.
	Yeah.
	Like, I would rather be in danger with the guy on that end.
	Jellyfish or man?
	Oh, my gosh, man.
	I get jellyfish.
	I get nightmares about jellyfish.
	It's really weird.
	You release a hand on yourself and then the pain goes away.
	That doesn't work.
	Trust.
	It's weird, though.
	As a psychologist, have you tried peeing on yourself?
	When you guys are doing it, I get nightmares about jellyfish.
	That shit's weird.
	Okay.
	Base Thor.
	Base Thor.
	Thank you, sir.
	Base Thor donated $69.
	Uh-oh.
	Cinderella took off one shoe and found love.
	The problem with modern dating is women nowadays take off all their clothes and still can't find love.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Yo, Bass Thor, thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Psychopathic Gaming donated $69.
	Thank you, dude.
	Trump 2028 Get Fooked Nerds, Long Chair One.
	You'd be a gem if you weren't so modified.
	I literally have my titties done and that's it.
	I mean, I understand if you don't like that, that's fine.
	But thanks.
	Kind of.
	You look like a party.
	Thank you.
	They're just jealous.
	They don't look at you.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Psychopathic Gaming.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, wait.
	Was that?
	Oh, okay.
	Anthony Two-Tone, thank you.
	Anthony Two-Tone donated $69.
	Thank you.
	How about a random man going for a hike to go for mental health to help him before his last chance?
	Now imagine men hearing this from women's first thoughts.
	How do you feel now?
	My dear Felicity, could you grab that for me?
	I think it drops.
	Perhaps go the other way.
	Right here.
	Thank you.
	Dia.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	All right, back to the questionnaire.
	I like that place.
	Oh my gosh.
	Aviel, thank you.
	Aviel donated $69.
	K Alexei Lindsay, long time no see.
	Surprised to see you on the show.
	Would have thought you would move up in Amazon after you and Augie got promoted to Central after being PAs for flats.
	Okay.
	Huh?
	Okay.
	I moved up in Amazon to corporate before I quit.
	She also.
	Did you?
	Lol Paladins donated $69.
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god.
	I haven't been able to watch your quiet.
	Oh my god.
	Keep slaying the bad logic like you would a hummingbird.
	Regarding weight, the thing that finally worked for me was keto.
	It's a trick to silence the food noise.
	Yo, Lol Paladins, where you been, bro?
	It's been like, I haven't seen this guy in a year.
	This guy's an OG.
	Lol Paladins, you still have, I still have your little thing set up, by the way.
	It's still there.
	Not at the 69 threshold, but I do appreciate it.
	Wait, Lucy, Lucy, Lindsay, sorry, Lindsay.
	We're L L and L L L L's L. Lindsay, did you get linked up with?
	Did you hook up with Matt Reif?
	No, because he had a girlfriend.
	Plus, didn't he suck off those two execs to get where he is now, anyway?
	Wait, what?
	Anyways, I don't know.
	Man, how are you going to throw Matt Rife under the bus when he put you on?
	He didn't put me on.
	It was.
	You went to his show.
	He did a whole set.
	My fan bought me front row tickets and was like, I want you to give your signed DVD.
	It was my first DVD I ever had out to Matt Reif as a gift.
	And I took my neighbor who was a virgin and he actually talked to her most of the time.
	It was like 15 minutes he talked to her because my next door neighbor is this like 23 years old.
	She's a little virgin.
	Yeah.
	And she's watching my cats right now.
	Thank you.
	And the interaction with me was like three minutes.
	So I didn't know he was going to be doing it.
	Hey, he said your name.
	That went viral.
	That thing.
	Thanks.
	You got to show.
	You got to put a little respect on Matt Rif's name.
	You got to do it.
	I worked very hard for.
	I disagree with him, though.
	He's against large labia.
	Oh my God.
	Oh, yeah.
	He did say that.
	He did say some shit about that, and I had to check him, you know.
	I get frustrated because I've been doing this since I was 22, and they've casted me off as a MILF since I first started.
	I can see that.
	It's freaking annoying.
	They're like, oh, because they're too big to be a teenager.
	I'm always a stepsister.
	Okay.
	Where they're like, actually, just don't give her lines.
	Just don't have her talk.
	Ashley Burcell, I know it's hard.
	I was an alcoholic for years and had to be put in rehab unvoluntarily.
	It's hard, but there's life beyond what you're doing to yourself.
	And sometimes it takes someone outside to finally say something to you for there to be finally a change.
	Thank you, Ashley.
	This is exactly what I'm talking about.
	Even when a fat person says, this is what I'm doing, this is my fault.
	Even you want to still say something like, I understand it's my fault.
	I'm the only one putting the food in my fucking mouth.
	Trust me.
	But thank you.
	And I have been addicted to other things.
	Like when I was in high school, I was very addicted to like Molly and other stuff like that.
	And that was easy because you just don't buy it.
	You just don't use it.
	Like, this is every single day I have to work on it.
	Now there's DoorDash or Zubri.
	It's like America wants you to be fat.
	Like America hates fat people, but then literally does everything to make them fat.
	It's like it is insane.
	So I think it's patriotic to be fat.
	Am I being patriotic right now?
	Very patriotic.
	Thank you very much.
	I hope I give that.
	All right.
	Ashley, thank you for that.
	Okay, we have psychopathic.
	Psychopathic gaming donated $69.
	A Barbie, that's got fake tits.
	That's modified, especially since you probably had amazing C cups before you went all fake.
	Get them reduced and find God's sweetheart.
	Thank you.
	I love that.
	All right.
	Thank you for that.
	Psychopathic, we have Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Care 2.
	I have a cousin who struggled with her weight since she was a child and reached 280 pounds in her 20s.
	She tried Ozempic and after some months, she is now around 130 pounds.
	It works.
	I don't want to do Ozempic because of the effects I have.
	Same thing where I don't want to do weight loss surgery.
	So literally just.
	Wow, donated $69.
	Trade your life for any given man or the bear.
	Thank you, Doge Wow.
	Trade your life?
	Trade your life for any given man?
	Would they forfeit by the bear so any man could still live?
	Or just allow the bear to live?
	That's how it reads.
	Kind of a stupid question.
	I wouldn't trade my life for either.
	I guess.
	Wait, trade your life for a bear's life?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Fuck no.
	There's lots of bears out there.
	The fuck?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Sweet.
	I don't know.
	All right, let's blast through the questionnaire.
	We're caught up on the chats.
	Guys, if you want $69 TTS, get them in.
	All right.
	So why don't we start?
	We already did Chloe's stuff.
	You know what, Chloe?
	I'm just going to put that over there.
	What are the wipes for?
	The makeup wipes?
	We do a segment called Everybody Takes Off Their Makeup.
	I'm so happy I got on here today.
	Okay.
	Audrey.
	Yes.
	A man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	You agree with that statement, Katarina.
	You agree with that statement.
	I feel like if a man, yeah, like I don't, I feel like this is my stance.
	I feel like, oh, trans woman is a woman, and I don't think that means they're gay.
	And I think a lot of people who date trans women don't think they're gay.
	Like, so I think they're gay.
	And that's your opinion.
	That's why.
	Keep wait, like full surgery, everything's done.
	That's why I'm saying they're fully done and they're like, that's what they're waiting because their brain is a man and their vagina is fake.
	No comment.
	They are a man.
	so their chromosomes are x y and you can't change that and even even if they get the surgery to have do you respect trans individuals Like, you might think it's a man is a man.
	I don't think it's a mental illness.
	So I think, yeah, because Trent, well, yeah, okay.
	So I, you don't think, you think it's a real thing though?
	Like, it's a real mental illness, yeah.
	You think it's just a mental illness, not dysphoria.
	Yeah, I think it's a psychological disorder for sure.
	And I think our culture is perpetuating it.
	I think now, I think back in the day, it was like you could, it was like, I don't know how to explain.
	Like, now it's so out there public.
	Like, teachers are teaching, like, those things not okay, in my opinion.
	I think that is just ridiculous to be teaching them so young.
	But I also believe I have a friend who, before all this stuff was out there, she wasn't, she and she transitioned.
	Like, one summer, she just left and then came back and she came as a boy.
	And I think, like, she didn't even know all these things back then.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, you don't get the today, it's all over.
	Like, the phone in school, like, back then it wasn't like that.
	And so, I feel like that's how it's still a mental illness, but the contagion is now spread through social media.
	Yeah, that's a debate I don't really want to get into, but I really think you're right when it comes down to.
	Sorry if anyone is against this, but if like people think of themselves as like animals, like they think they're like a cat or whatever.
	Yeah, I think you're right in like that sense.
	But when it comes to like different genders, I don't think so.
	Absolutely, it is.
	But it's but that's it's a meta it's like a medical basis like that there's lots of research about it like I that's the thing like people calling how she's dressed up now the Z-zero them like that stuff I don't play with because that's like crazy just be calling yourself whatever you want but I do think being transgender is an actual medical thing that is like do you know who Blair White is?
	Yeah.
	I know him.
	See that's that's like a disrespect like I feel like even it's a man.
	No, okay.
	I don't abide by I'm not gonna allow people to police my language because language reflects reality.
	I mean we talked about the importance of language and how we're co-creators.
	I'm not gonna allow people to dictate the language so that I live in a false reality.
	Do you know who Caitlin Jenner is?
	Yeah, Bruce.
	Let's skip this segment, please.
	Next subject.
	And I don't, I think you're allowed to feel however you want, but I also feel like I'm very big about respecting people.
	I think when it comes to like the whole children thing, how we're pushing on our children, that stuff needs to be stopped.
	But I also feel like there's two separate things.
	Like someone can be a transgender person and that's a real thing.
	But then there's opposite case where there's kids like asking for surgeries to do all those things and that's not okay either.
	Like I think there's two sides of it.
	Obviously you have to be a certain age to fully come up with a decision because you can't be like five years old being like I want to be a girl.
	No, I mean like you shouldn't be able to.
	Yeah, but they're still blocking them to have puberty and therefore totally altering their biology forever.
	And often because they go on hormone blockers before puberty, like there's been cases where they can't climax.
	They have all these long-term problems because of it.
	And so the fact that parents are even able to abuse their children in the name of virtue signaling, piety signaling, look, I have a trans child.
	And what are the chances that one woman has three trans children?
	Well, clearly this is all being orchestrated and that this is a social contagion and we're destroying people.
	And the fact that people are okay with young people getting hormone blockers and not going through puberty and allowing them, because how many, I mean, everybody when they're young has weird ideas and can be incredibly influenced.
	Nobody can make that decision.
	Just because a boy plays with something that's the color pink does not mean that they're signaling that they're actually thinking.
	That's where, that's what's happening now.
	I feel like back then, like when my friend in middle school, when they transitioned, it was way more like, I feel like that was their decision.
	They were feeling those thoughts and went to a doctor and went to a therapist because it's not a thing nowadays that you go to a teacher and the teacher's like, well, nowadays, it's like the teacher is like, yes, you are this.
	And they confirm that.
	And without them being like, maybe you should talk to your parents or this and that.
	They're kind of putting it in their head, you know?
	Back then, it wasn't a thing like that.
	So I feel like I've seen it firsthand, like where people actually, and he is still how he is now, and that's how he feels.
	And I feel like as a, I just want to respect that.
	You know, if they, I can't, I'm not in their body.
	I can't tell, I can't tell how they feel.
	I can't say that that's not real.
	You know what I mean?
	It's that's their reality to them.
	Sorry.
	So actually one of the pranks that I did, I was dressed up like this and I asked people, should we ban puberty blockers?
	And most people agreed that we shouldn't ban puberty blockers.
	See, that's what I'm saying is the end of both spectrums.
	Like I don't think that's okay.
	I don't think kids like doing that stuff very young because there's lots of de-transitioner people and like people who regret it in the future.
	I think, but I also believe that people who are transgender is a real thing.
	Also, because I follow Blair White and I do see that she has the perspective of both sides, you know, and she believes that this is a real thing that she is and she also understands.
	Some people believe they're an animal.
	Are you against like a whole trans community and I love transgender?
	Are you against gay people as well?
	When you say against gay people, am I against homosexuality?
	Of course.
	So you think it's a sin?
	Of course.
	Okay.
	And then, so day to your day-to-day, like, are you judging gay people?
	Like, would you be friends with a gay person?
	I don't see why I when do you mean be friends?
	Like, where does the line cross?
	I'm saying, are you gonna, are you gonna openly?
	I don't know if we'd have much in common.
	Wait, I don't know.
	Did you ever run the man's life?
	Gay people.
	So what?
	I just like went through this crazy relationship with a gay guy.
	He's like a quite like a well-known actor.
	And I thought that he was gay.
	I mean, he slid in my DMs, was like, you slay, bae.
	Like, he's obviously gay.
	I literally was like on the phone with him.
	He sounds like he has like a higher pitched voice than me and just very feminine.
	And like he made like, you know, he just, he was obviously gay and like made himself seem like he was gay for a long time.
	And then literally the other day he confessed his love to me on the phone and asked me to be his girlfriend.
	So he's not gay.
	He's not gay.
	The whole time he was just giving gay.
	But no, he like pretended to be gay.
	You were gay fish.
	To be like around me.
	And then I just sneak over.
	Yeah, it sounds pretty gay for him to do that.
	And I mean, is there a question behind that?
	I don't even know what that's about.
	I didn't try to say it's statement.
	I just wanted to say that.
	So he wasn't gay.
	So he wasn't gay.
	He wasn't gay.
	He was literally pretending to be gay to like hang out with me.
	It was so weird.
	Very weird.
	He was a gay fish.
	Do you strictly feel your ways about this thing is because of the Bible?
	I mean, yeah, I believe God revealed himself through scripture.
	Absolutely.
	So did you feel like this way through your whole life?
	Like, did you always think that, like, before it comes to the middle of the moment?
	Was that I always have an innate repulsion to see like gay men?
	Yeah, I'm repulsed by it.
	You're repulsed by gay men.
	Yeah, I mean, at most people, I mean, there's like multiple studies that heterosexual heterosexual men, there's been multiple studies done on this regarding statistics and the repulsive level that people feel when they see certain things.
	And two men kissing heterosexual men find that one of the most repulsive images to look at.
	I know.
	That's innate.
	That's in our biology.
	Yeah, I was watching a thing that someone was saying how gay men, it's like they're more repulsed by that than gay women.
	Like, I feel like, and stuff like that.
	I don't know.
	There's something about men being gay that's like, I feel like shamed on more than women being gay.
	I'm more about like letting everyone love who they want to love.
	Because is marriage like the end thing?
	Because you are like marriage kids.
	Like, is it okay to not want that?
	Like, why is that such a end goal to you?
	Like, why is that?
	To me, that's the point of relationship, long-term relationship.
	I feel like you need like a just a really, you know, flamboyantly gay, like, best friend.
	I don't see how that would.
	No, I don't need that girl.
	I think you guys are going to get along.
	I don't need that at all.
	What is it about being gay that's so bad to you?
	Like, what is it just the fact that it's in the Bible and they say, like, personally, without the Bible aside, like, your personal opinion on that and why that is.
	Well, my personal opinion is going to be informed by my personal opinion.
	By your religion.
	You're saying that that's what's rooted by it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's contrary to nature.
	It's repulsive.
	It doesn't, there's no fecundity to it.
	Like, it can't reproduce life and the point of sex and why it's pleasurable.
	I believe God made it that way for the production of life.
	And so, again, it's just a basic violation of like what sex was intended for.
	And I see it as a perversion.
	And the more that these perversions are normalized, it perverts all of our society.
	And so I don't see, I know the slippery slope is a logical fallacy, but if there ever is an example of a slippery slope, homosexuality wasn't even legalized, gay marriage, till 2012, 2014, so the Obama era.
	And look at where we're at.
	So what are we, 13 years later?
	And now we're talking about hormone blockers for children.
	Like that's a slippery slope, but that's actually a real example where everybody said, hey, once we allow this redefining of what marriage is between a man and a woman for the production of children, we redefined it and they said, oh, well, we just want to get married.
	Well, most gay people actually don't want to get married.
	And what we see now is just a total slippery slope of perversion that has plagued Western civilization.
	So what do you think of like a gay, like gay people just being transferred?
	I do, just for the sake of time, I do have to move it on.
	But Lucy, you did also, for 23, wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they are trans.
	And you agree with that.
	Can you read it again?
	Sorry.
	Okay, so for example, let's say I didn't want to date a transgender woman.
	You think that that would be wrong?
	Yeah, like why not?
	Like why don't you say that?
	Because that's a man.
	Oh, you believe that too?
	Yeah, I don't.
	Yeah.
	Are you surprised?
	No, no, I mean, it's not.
	I get back and forth.
	Okay, well, let me ask you, is a transgender woman a male?
	See, I am, like, I'm also about realistic, like, because even like Blair Wright says, like, at the end of the day, like, her genetics, like, but I'm respect, like, her, I'm going to call her her because that's how she wants to be portrayed.
	But also, I understand, like, that's what I'm saying.
	I'm all about respect.
	Like, I, unless it's problems.
	You can be respectful.
	No, do you go?
	Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
	Like, you're, you're, and I don't think it's okay.
	You're not being respectful.
	I think it's wrong for a straight man to go for a transgender woman.
	Well, is it wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they're trans?
	No.
	I mean, you're asking me.
	Yeah, asking you.
	So I don't think it's wrong.
	But you agree with that.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I think it is wrong.
	Or you think why not?
	Yeah, like, why not?
	But, like, also, like, you know.
	I don't want to date somebody who has a penis.
	But what if they have the surgery so that they don't have a penis?
	Okay, sure.
	Don't want to date somebody who's ever had a penis.
	Like, if they tell you that, like, hey, like, you know, I'm transgender and you're into that.
	Like, why would you go into that?
	That is not pussy.
	That's not pussy.
	See, like, but it also goes deeper level.
	Like, obviously, they can't reproduce and they can't, there's bigger, like, I want to, that's why I didn't write yes because I understand it's not, I don't think it's transphobic to not want to date a transgender, even if you are transphobic, I don't know, whatever.
	But what does that mean?
	I don't have an irrational fear of trans people.
	Phobia is like an irrational fear.
	I know, but in general, I just hate how like homophobia, transphobia, like we create the society creates these words, which the etymology of it means an irrational fear.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't have an irrational fear of a gay person or a trans person.
	I have a moral standard that I believe these things are wrong and they're deleterious to our society.
	So they should just all hide and fake their feelings just for people.
	I think if we lived in a better civilization, I don't think this would even come up as a major problem.
	And are there people that were, you know, presenting themselves in other ways?
	Yeah, if you look into the history of temple prostitutes in various pagan societies, there would be young boys that would sometimes be castrated.
	They would be eunuchs and then they would be a temple prostitute and they would present as a film, oh, as a woman.
	Yeah, has that happened in history?
	Of course.
	And then people want to say, yeah, but some people are born like androgynous.
	Okay, that's still an exception to the rule.
	The vast majority of us are not androgynous or hermaphrodites.
	We should ask the blue-haired lady.
	What do you think?
	Not late.
	She also has her septum here, so it's not very.
	Not lady.
	Well, I think it's incredibly transphobic if you're not willing to date trans people, obviously.
	What do you think, though, for realsies?
	No, I think you must be like, what's it called?
	Bisexual if you want to date someone who is, you know, transgender.
	Otherwise known as gay.
	Yeah, because like you're attracted to both.
	You're attracted to both male and female.
	So you are obviously bisexual.
	Going around the table, what is a woman, starting with you?
	Oh my God.
	No, we're not doing that.
	No, I'm not.
	Can you close the door?
	What do you mean?
	I mean, I don't want to get into this.
	What is going on?
	I'm not going to get it.
	I just want the definition.
	I'm not going to get into it.
	I'm not going to let you get away with the biological female.
	That was a good idea.
	I want what you believe.
	Go ahead.
	She's not even answering this question.
	I feel like it just goes in loops.
	This question is very circular, and I don't want to.
	What is a woman?
	A magical creature.
	That's what she is.
	No, but what is.
	I don't know, and I don't want to get into this.
	Okay.
	And I'm not debating with him about if a woman or god.
	He is very educated, and I am not going to block out the big words.
	Okay, debate me.
	She uses too many big words.
	You can't fight with it.
	All right, don't debate.
	Then I'll debate.
	My brain doesn't even have a.
	He'll set this one out.
	You only get off on that.
	Like, debating.
	Like, you love that.
	Are you like a little bit of a masochist?
	I'm not a masochist.
	Is that the right word?
	Probably not.
	I don't get off on that.
	I thought that was Satan.
	Just gives me a headache.
	I mean, okay.
	Do you want to talk about it?
	What is a woman?
	I'm not answering that question.
	I'm not like debating that right now.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is a woman.
	But isn't it mind-bending?
	I'm sorry.
	Did I step on your foot?
	Isn't it mind-bending that even you are like have an aversion to answering that question?
	Like, that's such a basic question.
	I understand, but like, also, I'm on the side of like, I believe that there's people who feel that way, that they're trans, and I respect people.
	So if I feel like answering this question, and I understand that this shouldn't even be a question, like, this is crazy.
	Like, that this is a question that I even have to think about or whatever because the people, what they would say.
	Like, I understand that.
	I can see both views.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	I don't want to just respect everyone and I be whoever the fuck you want to be.
	All right, I'll ask the rest of the panel.
	Chloe, see dog, what is a woman?
	When you're born with a coochie and you can like give birth.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Lindsay, what is a woman?
	I like Chloe's response.
	I'm copping hers.
	Well, put it in your own words.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Okay.
	Coochie.
	I think that it goes back to your DNA and the chromosomes, obviously.
	So you can't change that.
	You can change the genitalia, obviously.
	Katerina?
	But the DNA itself, yeah.
	Katerina, what is a woman?
	I think it's different in everyone's eyes.
	How about your eyes?
	What is a woman?
	It's, I don't know.
	In every woman, it's different.
	The fuck?
	Yeah, I can't even answer that.
	She's Canadian.
	She's going to get thrown into prison if she dares say, what's it called?
	A thought crime or something?
	Hate speech.
	What?
	You guys put people in jail way more than Canadians.
	A woman is a person with a vagina.
	All right.
	hold on i'm not gonna let you get away with that one uh do you think is a neo vagina of vagina I'm sorry?
	A neo-vagina.
	That's what they called a bottom surgery thing or whatever.
	Like a transgender woman who has a transfer.
	Well, I mean, if they turn it into a vagina, whatever.
	Can we put air quotes around vagina?
	What if it had a long labia?
	Would you approve?
	No.
	No.
	Really?
	That would just be like skin from the.
	What if it was like the best you've ever entered?
	No.
	No.
	I think it's a person who's not.
	That's not a person with a kid.
	It's not a pussy.
	Do they make like flipping when they do that?
	Babe, no, they're not.
	That's a good question.
	Good question, Chloe, but no.
	Such a good question.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is a human being.
	Is a what?
	Is a human being.
	But a man is also a human being.
	So, what's the difference between a man and a woman?
	What does it mean?
	Okay, so a woman is what?
	A vagina.
	A woman is a vagina.
	All right, what about you?
	You gotta pull your hair down a little bit.
	A woman is anyone who doesn't identify as a man.
	That's the best answer.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Now, give it.
	Okay, wait, give us your feminist answer, then fitness.
	And then this gives us your real answer.
	If you identify as a man, then you're a woman.
	What?
	That's the first time I heard that.
	What's the real answer to that?
	Two X chromosomes.
	Okay, tilt your mic down just a team.
	Two X chromosomes.
	Grab it from the back here, just tilt it down.
	What about you?
	A woman is someone that was born as a biological female with reproductive organs.
	And yeah.
	All right.
	Wait, I've got a question.
	Don't you feel though that the trans identity, like the idea that a man can become a trans woman, it diminishes the unique capacity of what you guys have.
	Like you guys are able to do something that we as men cannot do, and that's give birth.
	And you have all these innate characteristics that men typically don't have.
	And the fact that you're willing to redefine who you are as women to allow men to lump into your category totally diminishes the uniqueness of you.
	And really, you guys are just like flesh objects, right?
	Because that's really what the trans, but that's what the trans woman is, right?
	You can't reproduce.
	She doesn't even, she, he doesn't even have the capacity to live as a woman.
	And yet, by redefining it, you guys all diminish yourselves by going along with it.
	But like, what about people?
	Because there's been cases where people are born with both like male and female.
	That's an exception.
	That's why I brought up with Androte hermaphrodism.
	And how you think that's really frequent?
	You think there's like a massive, there'd be a whole country of people that just have both parts.
	But if they choose to be a girl, then you're going to be like, well, no, you're both.
	But their chromosomes determine that, right?
	So they may be born with like a small penis or something like that, but whatever their chromosomes are, that's the way that they're going to then reconstruct their genitalia.
	That's typically how that goes.
	So it's not like every person who's born intersex just lives their life as intersex.
	That's not how it works.
	Yeah.
	I didn't even know that was possible.
	It's really weird.
	Everything's possible.
	Oh my gosh.
	All right.
	Moving on to the next thing.
	Guys, if you want $69 TTS, we're going to batch them a little bit just to get through some of the questionnaire.
	But we do see them.
	They are coming through $69 TTS.
	So we have, where's the, okay, hold on.
	Lucy, the statement is: women are the primary victims of war, not men, to which you agree.
	Why is that?
	Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.
	I have like half a brain cell right now.
	Women are the primary victims of war, not men.
	You agree.
	Why is that?
	I just agreed to it to piss you off.
	Okay.
	Good job.
	I'm so angry.
	I can't debate that right now.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have Audrey.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Did I say?
	The only thing is bodily autonomy, if they believe that stuff, but everything else, I think we have the same rights.
	Did you believe in bodily autonomy in 2020 and 2021?
	Wait, what are you asking?
	I'm talking about particular medical medical.
	Fouchia.
	Yes.
	So the jab, the jiby jab, the things that my point is, there's been an obvious contradiction.
	Chloe, can you take it?
	An obvious contradiction within the women that are typically pro-abortion, because it's always my body, my choice.
	And then when it came down to 2020, 2021, all of a sudden the people who didn't want to take these medical measures, they didn't have a choice in the matter.
	And that's a fundamental contradiction.
	So the same people, and typically the people that were in favor of abortion were typically more in favor of also getting the jab.
	And the conservative communities typically were less in favor of getting it.
	So my point is, were you in favor?
	Were you mad that people maybe didn't get it?
	Or you saved my body my choice.
	And my curiosity is, does that mean that you also held that opinion during that time?
	No, I'm not like full on just like pro-pro abortion.
	Like everyone should be doing that.
	I'm just more like the whole right of it to be taken away completely is more like for medical basis and like for emergency stuff.
	And, you know, I feel like also people who have like, there's people who get abortions like all the time.
	Like just like it's like nothing.
	Like it's a weekend activity.
	Like that's not okay either.
	Like, I know, but I also feel like that right should be allowed for them.
	Well, hold on.
	Let's get back to the actual statement, though.
	Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	That's what I was saying.
	You were saying, and I explained that that's the only thing.
	And everything.
	Just abortion.
	Everything.
	Okay, there's not.
	Okay.
	I feel like.
	And then you also circled that women do not have equal rights to men in the USA, Lucy.
	Why do you agree?
	Overall, I think that as far as wages and stuff go, I still think that if you have the same level of job, I feel like.
	Why?
	You guys are in the adult entertainment industry?
	Do women or men?
	No, no, I wasn't really talking about that.
	That's just a to be a wage gap in favor of women.
	No, I didn't say that.
	You would agree there is a wage gap, though, in the porn industry, corn industry.
	Yeah, in the corn, in the corn industry?
	Yeah.
	Don't women get paid more?
	Yeah, women do get paid more.
	They do.
	They get almost double more.
	But then gay men, don't they make even more than women?
	I have no idea.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Because I think even some straight, straight people even do gay porn and make more money.
	Well, I mean, really quick.
	They're not straight then.
	I did go do this.
	Really quick on the although, Audrey, to your point, though, as at least this, so the statement is women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	You could say and argue that as it relates to abortion, that this is a uniquely, you know, this is kind of uniquely something that women might want to have, but I don't think it has anything to do with equal rights to men because men don't have any reproductive rights.
	I get what you're saying.
	So I don't think it would be evidence of an inequality that exists between men and women.
	Brian might have swayed me.
	While it might be uniquely some exclusive right that women want to have, men don't possess a right.
	So I don't think it's not equal, you're saying.
	I don't think it can be viewed from the paradigm of unequal to men, if that makes sense.
	I didn't think of it that way.
	Sure.
	Moving on, though, just for the sake of time, Lindsay, Lindsay Lee, Matt Reif's girlfriend.
	Just kidding.
	Men are more privileged in society than women.
	How so?
	I think we already discussed that pretty intensely.
	Well, just a really quick reiterate, like what's your main argument there?
	Actually, I think there's pros and cons on both sides.
	I think that women do have, you know, a sense of the pretty privilege, and we do have our choice of the, you know, the men out there because more than likely, they're just going to grab onto the opportunity to hook up and we're picky.
	I'm going to pull a Lindsay Lee and I'm just going to bring this.
	I'm going to remove us from America.
	I'm going to just zoom over to Ukraine.
	Do you think men are more privileged in Ukraine than the women?
	I'm not familiar with their marriage laws.
	I'm not talking about like dating or marriage.
	Well, but that has to do with privilege.
	It could be, I suppose it could be, could do with privilege.
	But are you familiar with the war going on in Ukraine?
	I am.
	Yes.
	I heard about it.
	So at the outbreak of the war, there's martial law.
	All the men between the ages of 18 to, I believe it was either 60, 65, they had to remain in the country.
	They couldn't leave.
	They were probably in a short time going to be involved in some degree with the military.
	All the women, all the women, regardless of age, could leave the country.
	Since you like to zoom around the globe when it's convenient for you, I will do the same thing as this is quite convenient for my argument.
	I would say that women in Ukraine are more privileged because they're able to flee their country.
	Meanwhile, the men are drafted and they oftentimes get abducted by these military police and then they get pretty much a basic amount of training and they get shipped off to the front line.
	Many of them end up dying.
	Well, like you said, it's our duty to produce children.
	You got to protect the cattle, you know, otherwise we're not going to be able to produce one.
	Are women doing this?
	And then two, is there like a state mandate or like a draft for women to give birth?
	No, but you're asking about whether, you know, I think they're privileged.
	Yeah, I mean, if the men or the women?
	The women in Ukraine.
	Yeah, they're way more privileged.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like in totality.
	Because how can it, if you look at the experience of a lot of the men in that country and you contrast it with the experience of the women, well, the women were able to flee Ukraine.
	The men were forced, forced to stay.
	Many of them injured in war, died in the war, soldiers.
	The women could leave.
	They could go to Stockholm, the United Kingdom.
	They will go to Miami.
	We had a girl on the show a couple months ago, Ukrainian woman.
	She's been kicking it in fucking Miami fucking dudes.
	And then her countrymen are literally dead in some trench in, I don't know where the fuck in Ukraine.
	And yeah.
	Well, that's female privilege.
	Our value is to reproduce.
	And if we're not around, you know, the male race, the whole entire race will just cease to exist.
	So, okay, that's something.
	I have a friend who went to Odessa, Ukraine, and she noticed like she didn't see any men, like some maybe boys and maybe some old men, but like it's only women who are around.
	Like it's crazy.
	Like you don't see that in a normal world.
	Sure.
	All right.
	But no, I mean, I wanted to be in the military.
	I think that women and men should both be drafted.
	All right.
	Quite a few of you have objections to number 12, which is starting with Audrey, wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low-body count virgin women.
	Lindsay, you also agree with that statement.
	Katarina, you agree.
	Lucy, you agree.
	Anastasia, you agree.
	All right.
	So, oh, also, Jordan, wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low-body count virgin women.
	Why is it wrong?
	What do you say?
	It's wrong to, I think it's wrong for a man to want, like, to judge someone for having a high body count if they have one, just because if they're a woman or whatever.
	I feel like if someone has a high body count, they should not judge or date someone in that same category.
	But if you have, if a man is a virgin and they're, I think that's okay to want someone who meets your same values or whatever.
	Let's say in this example, the guy's slept with 30 women and he's like, he wants to be with a virgin.
	I don't think that's wrong.
	I don't think it's wrong.
	I think it's wrong if he judges someone who has a bigger...
	He wouldn't date a woman who also has a body count of 30.
	That's when it's wrong.
	But he's not.
	That's a preference.
	That's his preference.
	You have preferences.
	Yeah, I understand.
	But I'm saying he has a body count of 30 and he's judging someone else.
	I mean, I guess it's more like, I think it's wrong, but I guess he can do it.
	You know what I mean?
	He can do it and he can have a preference.
	And obviously that's what he was going to date.
	But if he's more like talking shit about other women who have, like, if he's talking shit about a woman who has a body count of 30, that's crazy because he has a body count of 30.
	Like, that's just not okay just because she's a woman.
	But if her, his end goal and he wants a virgin or whatever for, that's, I mean, that's who he's going to date.
	That's who's going to go after.
	And I can't stop that or can't judge that.
	Do you think it'd make logical sense for a man who's ready to get married to pursue a younger woman that has a lower body count for the purpose of rearing children and building a family?
	Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, if they're, I don't know, I think so, but I think it's more about judging someone for it.
	Like, he shouldn't be able to say anything about a woman having a high body count if he has one as well.
	So your contention is just he can't say bad things about other girls?
	I'm saying to judge someone off of something that literally you have as well.
	He fucked 30 girls, she fucked 30 men, and then he's going to say this woman is something because of what he has done as well.
	That is double-sided and not, doesn't make sense to me.
	What if he doesn't support his previous past?
	Then that's what I'm saying.
	But I'm saying if he doesn't support his past and he wants to date a woman that's a virgin or whatever, I think that's okay.
	It's more about like shaming a past like he already did.
	Like I don't think he should shame himself.
	I don't think he should shame other people.
	Like if he wants to move forward and wants to say this is not my life anymore and he wants to date someone who feels the same way as him, then that's okay.
	It's more about the shame.
	Like he shouldn't, if he is the same thing, going through the same thing, he shouldn't be putting on someone else who just because she's a woman.
	Am I boring you?
	No, but I mean if he if there's not shaming language associated, this is just something internal inside him.
	He's just like, I'd rather date a low body count woman or a virgin.
	Would you still think that that's objectionable or wrong?
	I just think it's weird.
	Like if he feels that way, then why did he, he has a, why does he have a high body count?
	You know what I mean?
	Like why is he I feel like if he feels that way morally and he feels that way about a woman, he should feel that way about himself.
	He shouldn't have a high body count either.
	And I think it's an okay thought to have.
	It's an okay stance to have.
	But to be on the opposite end of it and to have a high body count and then also saying, you can't do this, then that's just ridiculous.
	What about this framing?
	Somebody who is yeah, I'll frame it.
	So let's say somebody was an alcoholic.
	Must they be beholden?
	Like must they continue grabbing for the bottle, going for the bottle?
	Well, I don't, I don't understand what you're saying.
	You're saying that if people made previous mistakes and now they're trying to change, you're saying in a sense that they can't be critical of other people because he was once an alcoholic, so he can't be critical of other alcoholics.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I understand that, but I just feel like it's hypocritical.
	And I feel like maybe in the way he says it, like if he's like, this was my lifestyle, I think he needs to be all open and honest and be like, yeah, I was a little, I did this and that.
	And maybe you should like, like, try to teach her, you know.
	What if the determination is his thought process is it's actually not, he doesn't think it's bad for him.
	That's ridiculous.
	Right.
	But you might say that that's hypocritical, but I'm more so looking at he specifically, he just wants to date low body count or a woman who's a virgin.
	But he's made a determination.
	You would agree that we all want to get the best partner that we can get.
	And in his determination, and I mean, there is studies done on, you know, promiscuity and this sort of thing.
	He's just like, the best partner for me would be somebody who has a low body count.
	Like, for example, you're overweight, but you don't want to date somebody who's overweight.
	Yes.
	Does that make you a hypocrite?
	No, because I think that's practically speaking.
	It works out better.
	It works out better.
	But do you understand what I'm saying?
	Like, what is okay?
	So your example is me being overweight, not wanting to date someone who's overweight.
	I don't want to do that because of physical reasons, right?
	Not because the way they look.
	Maybe a guy doesn't want to date somebody who's a girl who's fucked a lot of dudes.
	But what does that have to do with?
	Like, that's just like a mental health.
	She has STD.
	She doesn't.
	Okay, so she's, that's what I'm saying.
	This number is literally in the ethos.
	Like, it's not even real.
	You don't know if it's real.
	You don't know what it is because they could be lying unless they have an STD.
	You don't know how many people they slept with.
	So I don't understand why that number matters.
	Unless you like have to, like, once you hear, I have to see every person that they had sex with.
	It's like, all this.
	I don't know.
	I don't understand like this whole deal with the number.
	I just don't care.
	And I think the whole fat thing is like, those are separate issues.
	Like, this is a physical thing.
	If her having sex with 30 people made her physically unable to have sex with him or something, like it actually changed her labia and it turned BLM labia, then that would be a problem.
	You would agree that people choose to date or not date people on other metrics besides just what is physically compatible.
	So in this case, while maybe the body count thing is a stretch as it relates to like physical compatibility, there's plenty of other components of body count that are valid.
	Like what?
	Like what?
	No, not arguing.
	I'm like asking you what you.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	I mean, the ability to pair bond.
	It did sound sassy when I said that.
	I meant like the ability to pair bond.
	I mean, the STD thing, but you want to just grant that in this specific instance, well, okay, if there's no STDs, I think it's just a natural, it's just kind of a evolutionary, there's an evolutionary and biological basis for men's revulsion to this.
	So there's that.
	Can I, if you were dating someone and they, like how she was saying how they like, she kept it a secret, like, let's say you're dating her for a year and you love her, best girlfriend, like wife, bought an engagement ring already.
	And she's like, listen, I got to tell you, I screwed 50 guys.
	What do you say?
	I'm breaking up with her.
	See, to me, like, you can have that opinion, but to me, that's insane.
	Like, you're in love with her.
	She lied.
	She lied.
	You said she lied.
	The lying isn't.
	Okay, that is such a boo.
	Because, see, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, the body cash shouldn't even be an issue that you have to lie about.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, I feel like it shouldn't be a thing.
	It's the day before our marriage.
	And she tells me, by the way, probably.
	Canceling the wedding and flying your in-laws back to Hawaii.
	Like, that's crazy.
	Yes.
	I think my family would understand if that happened.
	I believe your family would understand that.
	Only because of a number of people.
	I mean, this is my stance.
	I feel like everyone's allowed to feel how they feel, like I've said, but I also feel.
	Look, moving on to number five, men should pay on first dates.
	Everybody here, I think, circled, yes, men should pay on first dates, except maybe for Anastasia.
	Isn't this a double standard?
	Like, if simply by virtue of you wanting a man to pay for the first date, this creates a double standard.
	You wouldn't pay for a first date.
	Because in order for you to want the man to pay for the first date, you can't pay for the first date.
	Why is it that you're allowed to have a desire, a desire for a man to do something that you're not willing to do yourself?
	Like, I wouldn't pay, I would pay for it.
	I think it's whoever I, but how so I'm explaining.
	So I think give me one second.
	You said, would I prefer?
	Yeah, I would.
	Like, I think that is just a traditional thing, like how the man pays for the first day.
	I think that's.
	Do you think a man should pay for the first date?
	Well, for me, I was looking for a wife who I dated very traditionally and dated traditional women.
	And yes, I paid for everything.
	So I think it's just respectable, but I'm also about like 50-50.
	Like, once we start the second date, I'm paying for it.
	I asked her, but I'm not about them paying for everything for me.
	I don't do that.
	I pay half.
	When I was in a relationship, he bought one dinner, I bought another dinner.
	He bought drinks, I bought drinks.
	That's the first date.
	No, I know.
	I know.
	I'm saying.
	I'm saying the first date, I think, especially if he asks you, he should pay.
	And I think if I ask them on a date, I should pay.
	I think.
	If I'm like, try you.
	Okay, but hold on.
	Do you ask men out on dates?
	Yes, I do.
	You don't know me, Brian.
	Okay, fine.
	Most women, fine, you're the exception.
	Most women are not initiating like that.
	And they should.
	I love that.
	That's like a powerful thing.
	A man loves if, like, especially if they like you.
	Yeah, I know.
	You wouldn't think it's hot if a girl came to you and was like, I want to take, you want to date, Brian, and I'm going to pay for it.
	Without how many houses slid into the middle of the moment, I mean, I like it when you're in the middle of women's getting more common now.
	The way you worded it came off maybe a little more, a little more feminine touch, but like, yeah, I like it when women simp.
	I like it when women simp, don't get me wrong, but uh, yeah, I mean, but they don't do it, is the thing.
	Yeah, it's it's super rare.
	Ask men on dates, woman.
	That's great.
	But I guess my main thing here with the whole like wrong for high body count men to prefer to date low body count virgin women.
	I don't think in order to desire a trait in someone that you also need to possess said trait.
	And so we see this all the time in women.
	Like, I don't think it's hypocritical, for example, for a woman who's broke to find a really wealthy guy attractive or want to date him.
	I don't think it would make her a hypocrite.
	A woman who is not a professional athlete, I don't think it's wrong for her to want to date a professional athlete or to be attracted to professional athletes.
	A woman who is not a rapper, I don't think it's wrong for her to date a professional rapper or to be attracted to a professional rapper.
	I don't think it's wrong, like any of these metrics.
	And women are constantly dating men that have traits that they themselves don't possess.
	We could talk about height, whatever metric it is.
	Women are always chasing after men that have things that they don't.
	I don't think there's perfect symmetry in this regard, but when it comes to like high body count, yeah, I don't see men should be promiscuous, but I don't see an issue with them realizing that it happens to be the case that low body count or virgin women are going to be like optimal girlfriends or wives.
	She's shaking her head.
	I feel like that's true.
	Like they're not all like a woman who has a high body count isn't like automatically deemed a horrible wife or whatever.
	Like because I feel like they also, just like the man, how changed their life, like they can do that as well.
	Yeah, I think you have to look at the totality of the person, but I don't think it would be wrong to have a leaning towards this particular preference.
	And look, to be fair to your point, there are probably virgin women or low body count women that are fucking awful.
	And there are maybe women who have a bit of a higher body count that are wonderful.
	What's the line for you?
	Like how high is too high?
	Like if a girl's like, this is the number and you would stop talking to them.
	I mean, it varies on her age.
	We're talking your age.
	You're dating.
	My age.
	Dating pool, not your what's what's a number that you're like, whoa.
	I mean, I think once you get over 10, it's a bit of an eye raiser over 20, then it's definitely high.
	What's your and yours is over 10 or 100?
	But the preference, the preference, oh, excuse me, Miss who wouldn't reveal her.
	I told you if it was the number, I didn't say the number, I said over or under 10.
	And I said that.
	Did I say?
	Didn't you say like over seven or who said that?
	I said that.
	Oh, okay.
	Brian, but if a man who had a lot of a big body count has a virgin, is that he makes her what you said, glimmy, grimy?
	Grimy?
	Look, but just to be clear, if a woman in her own standards, she doesn't want to date a guy with a high body count, I think that's fine.
	Like, I don't have a double standard, like, oh, women have to accept men who have a high body count.
	I think women care less about it.
	But, I mean, if she, if a woman who is a virgin didn't want to date a guy who had a body count of 100, zero problem.
	Well, I see what you're saying, but you kind of said if a woman sleeps with a man, kind of like, what's his name?
	Young.
	Young gravy, and you automatically become, you know, more glimmy, right?
	Or grimy.
	What was basically your body count raises?
	Yeah, multiplies, then you're kind of putting a good pure girl for failure.
	Instead, technically, she may not care, right?
	But now she slept with a boy or the guy who had a high body count.
	So now she's in that category where her body count multiplied.
	And then if they didn't work out, now in your eyes or some other guys.
	Well, she's not being forced to date him if she's made the calculus that she wants to be with this guy.
	Right.
	Again, I'm not in favor of promiscuity in men.
	I'm not in favor of promiscuity in women.
	I think that at the very least, if you're going to sleep with somebody, you have some intention of pursuing something long-term.
	So in this case, from my worldview, if a man who has a high body count, I would hope that he's desirous of pursuing a long-term relationship.
	Guys, be quiet, please.
	I would hope that he's desirous of pursuing a long-term relationship with this low body count woman or virgin woman.
	If you're a high body count man and you just want to like run through a bunch of chicks, like I suppose you should probably do that with high body count women.
	It's probably going to be easier.
	But I mean, I don't suppose it's even necessarily wrong if you're interested in casual sex.
	I think men would still prefer to deal with a low body count woman.
	You really think that because I slept with him that I have more bodies now?
	Wait, what?
	Because I slept with young gravy, like you think because he probably has a high body count?
	I don't really know.
	I don't know enough about young gravy.
	But that's what you said.
	Yeah, well, I mean, certain types of dudes, it doesn't even necessarily could, like, the guy could be a virgin, but he could be grimy in other ways.
	Like, just his physical appearance could be kind of repulsive.
	But I, like, in the sense, not that he's physically unattractive, but like the Takashi 6ix9ine.
	Like, if that dude was a virgin, but a girl fucked him, I'd be like, that's kind of like, you know, the rainbow hair and shit.
	Please don't shank me, bro.
	But, um, and it could also be like, I don't know if they did drugs.
	Like, if a girl fucked like a addict or something, that's grimy.
	I'm talking about, like, you said earlier, like, if a girl with a low body count had sex with a guy with a high body count, that makes a girl have more bodies from just sleeping without.
	Here, I'll give this example.
	So let's say a girl, and look, the ultimate, the most optimum thing would be for a girl who has the lowest body count or who's a virgin.
	But let's say a girl has slept with three men who were virgins, or she slept with one guy who's fucked a thousand women, and that dude's grimy.
	Her body counts one, right?
	Versus the girl who slept with three male virgins.
	And the calculus there is the girl, I think the better, perhaps the better bet is the girl who's got three bodies.
	Because you think the girl has like now she has like hella girl bodies because he fucked other girls.
	No, it's just it's the it's the multiplier.
	But how's that multiplying?
	It's not like he's gay.
	It's just guy math.
	It's bro math.
	Do you not understand though?
	I understand what you're saying, but I think it's not very like right.
	They don't want to be where another man has been, and plus you're transferring that bacteria and like everything from that person each time.
	So that's the argument.
	I think there's studies too that say that DNA from sexual intercourse, like some pieces stay in the women.
	Oh, I've heard about this.
	The crypto chimeras.
	What is that?
	I don't know the exact name for it.
	That's really weird.
	There's something.
	I think it might have to do where I could be wrong on this.
	If the woman gave birth or got pregnant, and I guess if she got an abortion, this too.
	If a woman got pregnant or gave birth to another man's son, wait, to another, not son, to another man's kid, part of his DNA stays in her.
	And this is maybe the crazy part.
	Again, this might be, I don't know if this is true.
	This is just something I read.
	That DNA could be in the next kid.
	So you're having a kid with two guys?
	Well, that's really weird.
	I have a degree in biology and it makes no sense to me.
	I don't know, some weird membrane shit.
	I could be totally off.
	But there could, I would need to look at it.
	Don't, don't, that's just like crazy speculation.
	I remember reading something somewhere.
	It was a long time ago.
	Wait, you said the first time I met you that you don't eat pussy because you like the labia.
	Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
	But you don't.
	So you don't, you don't eat your mic.
	But hold on.
	Why are you so invested in whether or not I eat that?
	Because do you have, do you.
	You really don't.
	You really don't?
	No.
	That's not a little bit of a bad thing.
	I've not gone down.
	I've not gone down on a woman since the Bush administration.
	Not the Bush information.
	Okay, the Bush.
	Do you literally have to do stuff to you?
	Or you strictly have sex?
	Because the housework is too hard on you.
	So why is it that you won't go down on that?
	He doesn't want to take it.
	Shut up.
	That's like he's starting to take.
	Hold on.
	Are men not allowed to have sexual boundaries?
	I think so but I also think that like you shouldn't be asking her to give you that if you're not giving it back like I feel like it's like a you really just don't do it No.
	Just for the woman.
	So you like long labia.
	A lot of labia.
	And you don't want to put your face in that.
	Does it just gross your all?
	What's the problem?
	You just want to look at it like an exhibit?
	Hey, look, there's other, there's hands.
	There's.
	Like, what the fuck?
	There's PVE.
	You don't want to touch around?
	It's like an art exhibit for you.
	You just want to look at it.
	You don't want to, you don't want to put your tongue on it.
	But, you know, but a girl can go and choke herself out on your home.
	On your dangling, but God forbid you go down on a girl.
	So, yeah, did you have one bad experience?
	Am I not allowed to have sexual boundaries?
	I think you are, but also, it's just a little bit of a no.
	I actually, I will agree because I don't receive, so I'm done.
	What do you mean?
	Because you don't want to be a little bit more.
	Oh my God, it's a match.
	Nah, he likes a butt.
	Did you have a bad experience?
	No, not really.
	Did you have a bad small labia?
	No.
	Okay.
	I read though when I was very like in 2008.
	Well, there's a couple angles here, but in 2008, I'm pretty sure I read an article that it causes throat cancer.
	Oh, it scared you from the bottom of the bag.
	Yeah, going down on women causes throat and face cancers.
	No way.
	Wait, okay.
	Because of, I mean, HPV.
	So even when you're married, you won't, or that's a different situation.
	Probably not.
	No.
	It's not my preference.
	Do you go down on women, your wife?
	He's being really quiet right now.
	I'm going to talk about what my wife and I do.
	Just for I'm willing to talk about relationships and stuff like that.
	I did not mean to be rude.
	No, no, no, you're fine.
	No, this is the whatever podcast.
	It's totally acceptable.
	It's totally acceptable.
	I promise her that I'm not going to bring up.
	Like, I'm not going to talk about anything sexual about what me and my wife do.
	I was like the quietest you've been this whole episode.
	So I love that you respect your wife like that.
	Everything.
	But yeah, I mean, as far as that goes, it's not even a deal breaker.
	Like if the girl doesn't want to do it, it's not a deal breaker for me.
	But if she does it out of revenge, then that could be an issue.
	Revenge, what do you mean?
	Like she's like, oh, you won't do it, so I won't do it.
	That's like a tit for tat thing.
	But there are women who genuinely don't enjoy giving head.
	And then under those circumstances, it's whatever.
	I'd prefer if she does, but I mean, whatever.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	I don't care if she receives it or not.
	Huh?
	You don't care if you receive head or not?
	No, he doesn't.
	No, I do have a preference for it, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
	Like, if she just wasn't into that, it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
	Wow.
	That's crazy.
	I've never heard a guy say that.
	Never.
	I've never heard a guy say that.
	Ever.
	I mean, we just have to do it.
	Out of the 500 bin, if you just had some bad.
	Oh, I forgot to press this.
	Out of the 500 bid, I've got to do it.
	For the body count for everybody?
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Oh, my gosh.
	No.
	All y'all.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Do you just have a bad experience?
	And that's why.
	On it?
	No.
	2008?
	No.
	Honestly, no.
	I just saw that article and then I just never really, I never really enjoyed it.
	No, I meant receiving because most of the time it's like a deal breaker for guys.
	No, I'm a big fan of it.
	But it's also, I mean, there's more to a relationship than just that.
	Even if you were dating someone, like a dating a girl and she's like, listen, I love you, but like we got to start getting this going.
	I love you, but we got to get this start going.
	Like, you got to start giving me this.
	Like, would you not even change for her?
	Like, no.
	The only scenario people ask me, I would do it for the perfect woman.
	The perfect woman with the perfect big labia, everyone.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I hope you find her.
	I hope you find that big labia and enjoy it.
	Appreciate it.
	Did you have any other questions, Chloe?
	You want to or no?
	What do you think about consent, non-consent?
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, not the big guys.
	I wouldn't do it just for liability reasons.
	Like, I also wouldn't, like, if my girl wanted me to, like, rough her up, I just wouldn't do it because it's a liability.
	I don't like rough sex.
	Well, I mean, that's a little different than roughing her up, but yeah, I wouldn't, I'm not really interested in that either.
	I mean, you can, like, pull her hair and, like, spank her and whatever, but I'm not going to, I'm not really.
	I mean, rough sex, oh no, like the jackhammer shit.
	I don't like that.
	What is that?
	The jackhammer.
	Bam, bam, bam.
	Doesn't feel good.
	I don't, I'm not going to do that shit.
	I'm not into the jackhammer.
	Like everyone's going to be a little bit more.
	It's like every scene for this one company.
	It's just every time.
	Nah.
	It doesn't feel good.
	I don't think it feels good for me.
	Anyways, okay, let's get...
	God damn, Chloe, why are you asking all these sexual questions, man?
	This chick's a pervert.
	That's good to know you.
	Such a pervert.
	Okay.
	Maybe one or two more, then we're going to get this wrapped up here.
	We have Audrey, adult age gap relationships are wrong.
	I need to fix this.
	Wait, sorry.
	The reason why I asked that question is because previously, you guys, like, previously I talked about how I pass out during sex.
	So that's like kind of the only thing that I can do is like consent, non-consent, right?
	Because you guys were earlier you were saying that it's grape if a girl is like passed out.
	Oh, you're that girl.
	She claims out.
	She claims that she passes out.
	What do you mean, queen?
	That person already knows.
	You pass out.
	The whole purpose of consent and non-consent is like telling your partner before is like either.
	Hold on, let's some chats over before we get in and dive into that.
	John donated $69.
	Guys, get them in last call.
	I appreciate your honesty with wanting a Big Mac versus a 10-piece.
	Could this be an addictive delusional?
	Similar to the self-rating scale.
	Wait, what does that even mean?
	Is that Big Mac a 10 of 10?
	Wait, what do you mean, addictive delusion?
	What do they mean by that?
	I appreciate your honesty.
	What do you mean?
	I was explaining that, like, the only thing that makes me like fatness is only like a decision on making food, like between your apportion sizes.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm saying nothing else makes me fat besides food.
	And that's the only reason I'm fat.
	Nothing to do with my personality or anything.
	We got more chats.
	I'm going to let a few more come through, guys.
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	A man who dates or fucks or both.
	Another man who is pretending to be a woman through surgery, etc., is gay.
	The exterior of the body can be modified, but not the genes, including the chromosomes.
	Word.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	Appreciate the message.
	We have Rorid.
	Thank you for the message.
	$69 TTS streamlines.com slash whatever.
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	No one denies trans PP Ariel and that they truly believe that.
	What we won't do is be bullied into changing everything in language and women's safety and identity to keep the charade.
	Brian, bring me on.
	Okay.
	Yo, Rorid, thank you for the message, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	I have an irrational fear.
	I'm afraid to walk alone at night or even go for a hike in the woods out of fear of being graped or essayed by a gay or trans woman.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Yeet.
	Thank you, Pacey George.
	We have another one coming through here in just a moment.
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	I lost a friend to that time.
	After her second jab, she died from sudden onset heart failure.
	Her nickname was Angel Eyes.
	Damn.
	Yo, Pasty George, thank you, man.
	Sorry to hear about that.
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	Weekly repeat.
	Men and women are different.
	Women view a 30-year-old virgin male the same way a man views a 20-year-old woman with 30 bodies.
	Women want men who are desired.
	Men desire virtuous women.
	True.
	That's true.
	Well put, reap what you sow.
	That is true.
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	As a man that makes approximately $756,400 for you, I am choosing a woman that has modifications, red outfits, and any of these women.
	No matter what mental gymnastics they jump through.
	Well, I said I only date guys that make a million a year.
	Ooh.
	Does he have to pay the simp tax, by the way?
	Was that was he simping a little there or for you?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Why do you sound sad every time?
	Like, you say it like sad.
	Everyone always said that my whole life that I sound like I'm depressed and sad, but I'm not.
	I'm actually happy.
	No, just the tone of it, I guess.
	Wait, so okay, you're asking about.
	Oh, man.
	I'm not even going to get into CNC because of your passing out thing.
	Well, wait, are you saying that young grave?
	No, I told him before he was aware.
	And that's the whole point of consensual.
	Yeah, it is consensual.
	That's like what it is.
	Like consent and non-consent is like consensual.
	For me, it's a little different, but I feel like for other people, if it's like a fetish, it's like you have a fetish of being graped, and then you tell your partner first that that's what you want them to do to you.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Okay.
	But I was just asking, like, what your thoughts on that was.
	I mean, if it is genuinely a thing where you pass out during sex and if you disclose this to the partner and you're otherwise having a consensual encounter, I would imagine that and they continue and you say, like, you're fine if they keep going or they stop.
	I don't really know.
	Usually I'm fine with it.
	You're saying because you pass out, you let your partners know that so that they don't feel like they're not doing it consensually.
	Because I feel like it's the same thing when you're in a relationship, like if they're into it, like while they're sleeping, like technically while you're doing it, sleeping, it's not consensual.
	But if you let them know prior, huh?
	I'm saying you wake up to sex.
	Like if a man just stays in the sex, like that's technically, because people think that if you're in a relationship, you can't rape your partner, you can.
	Grape, sorry.
	And yeah, I feel like if you have that conversation before, Chloe's weird passing out thing.
	Ashley Brussel, thank you for the big super chat, Ashley.
	Dude, through Streamlabs, though, because YouTube takes a brutal cut.
	Do you understand you're still blaming everything around you except yourself?
	You blame your environment except your own actions, putting food in your mouth.
	It's scary to blame yourself, but you need to start blaming you for your own behavior.
	Babe, that's all I've been doing this entire time, you fuckface.
	So I feel like people, this is what I'm saying.
	Like, even when a person is defending them, not like literally saying that it's literally my fault, I said that since the beginning, people are still saying that I'm not like I'm it's just crazy.
	Like we will never win, even when you have the mindset that I do.
	And I take full accountability and said this multiple times and I'm the only one that does it to myself.
	So you're an idiot.
	Thank you.
	Wow.
	That's an idiot.
	What do you mean?
	This entire time I've been saying it's my fault.
	You have been.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you have been taking over.
	Thank you.
	Wait.
	Going really quick.
	I think we're just.
	Sorry.
	That's stupid.
	Oh my god.
	Okay.
	So, oh, you would not date a police officer, Audrey.
	Why is that?
	I'm not like fully against them.
	I would rather just like not because it's not.
	I'm not like against cops or anything.
	It's just kind of scary.
	Like thinking that they're not like FTP.
	No, I'm not.
	Find your molly stash.
	You're just worried.
	I don't do that anymore.
	I don't do it.
	But no, I just like the thought of them like having a gun and like being so accessible.
	No, I'm not against them.
	I'm saying just my preference.
	I want to date a cop, but I'm nothing against them, nothing against guns.
	Do whatever you want.
	Word.
	I brought this up a bit earlier, and some of you had some interesting things to say.
	Men should pay on first dates, going around the table.
	Just show of hands.
	Should men pay for first dates?
	Show of hands?
	Okay.
	Why?
	To you and to you.
	Why?
	Because I just think that I don't know.
	Men should be men and pay for patients.
	Should women be women?
	That's exactly it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I, yeah.
	But so you are there other traditional gender roles that you expect men to I just was raised traditional, and I know my life isn't traditional.
	It's alternative now.
	But if I go on a date with a guy and he doesn't pay, I think less of him.
	Will there be a second date?
	No.
	If I have to pay for the first date.
	Well, say you don't pay for his share, but he says two checks.
	I'd be like, it's fine.
	I'll take it and I'll never see you again.
	Okay, so it'd be a check as you want.
	What about you, Lindsay Lee?
	I think for me, it's that I can charge so much online for my time.
	So if I'm going to take the time to go out to dinner and waste my life trying to find someone that won't bore me, then yeah, I do want the dinner paid because more than likely I'm not going to go back out with that.
	A little transactional, but I guess my question to you is: you said it's traditional, my dear.
	I know.
	That's what I mean.
	I know I don't live a traditional lifestyle anymore.
	But how do you reconcile being a mattress actress?
	Because I'm a hypocrite?
	I don't know.
	Okay, that's an acceptable answer, I guess.
	We're all hypocrites.
	She can make her self-aware.
	But you're different.
	You compared it with football.
	You compared it with all those things.
	I feel like I'm just going to be used to so many out-of-context reels for Instagrams because just be like, yeah.
	At least I'm a hypocrite.
	At least you look good.
	The bob is better.
	But again, though, I'm trying to reconcile this whole, you know, you want men to be traditional, but you're not, you're way far away from traditional yourself.
	Yeah, because I am living in a delusional world in my head.
	Brian.
	I'm glad that we went over my psychosis today.
	I know.
	Ironically, we both ended up in the same spot with very different backgrounds, but we're both doing safe.
	I'm Delulu.
	Like, I don't know what's going on.
	I've only been in corn for like since October, and I'm just fucking confused, you know?
	But, you know, I don't.
	Do you have any objections to men who wouldn't want you to date you because of your work?
	No, I don't care.
	Like, if a guy doesn't want to date me because he thinks I'm a whore or whatever, whatever.
	Cool.
	Should men hit?
	Should men be chivalrous.
	Cool.
	Should.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	I got to do.
	Let me do it.
	Sorry.
	Nick stepped away.
	One second.
	Yeah.
	Should men be chivalrous to whores?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, my Lanta.
	That's what that she just said the word.
	Should men.
	Cheryl, this is like should men should men be chivalrous to whores?
	I don't think they have to, but I think it's a very good sign of like I still respect you as a woman and you're safe with me.
	But can't you respect a woman and not pay for her shit?
	Yeah.
	At that point, you're kind of like, my kid, dude.
	Wait, is that the only thing?
	Is that the only way to respect a woman is to pay for her?
	Okay.
	No.
	No, it's like a go-what thing.
	Lucy's funny.
	Lucy Goosey, she's funny.
	She's a funny gal.
	But listen, I'm aware what I do and how people view me now and how many people have been inside of me and blah, blah, blah.
	You can judge me or you cannot judge me.
	You can be with me.
	You cannot be with me.
	I really don't care.
	And you know what?
	And I'll judge you too.
	So it's cool.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Wait, but you asked me a question.
	What was your question?
	I don't remember.
	Oh, do I pay for first dates?
	Yeah.
	Well, because you're so adamant about it.
	So I'm just like, are you the guy that doesn't?
	No, I pay for first dates.
	Although I used to not do it, but now I do.
	So what's arguing?
	Why are you even arguing so much about me?
	Well, I think it's just a nice thing.
	Well, here's the side of me.
	If your goal as the guy, I'm assuming if you're going on a date with a specific woman, you're not just doing it for the fuck of it.
	You're doing it for some purpose.
	Whether you're a guy who's interested in casual or you're a guy who's looking for a relationship, the most optimum move, optimal move to make on the chessboard when it comes to dating is to pay for the first date.
	It's never going to hurt you to pay for the first date.
	And it's oftentimes can hurt you if you don't pay for it.
	So from like that perspective, yeah, the most optimum move, just pay for the date.
	Well said.
	But if we're having like a conversation about what's fair, and I'm like bird's eye view, I'm looking at a situation.
	I'm like, okay, here's this guy.
	He's on a date.
	Like, for example, even if it's not a woman who's involved in sex work, I don't think a guy should pay for the first date if a girl fucked a different dude that morning.
	Like let's say she fucked another dude recently.
	The guy shouldn't.
	I don't think that's a, that's like if she's coming to a date with another man's seed still inside of her, that you're not a traditional woman, that dude should not have to, he shouldn't be on the date to begin with, but he shouldn't, he definitely shouldn't pay for the date.
	That's oddly specific, like it happened to you or something.
	I'm a seed to be in your I mean, not to my, not to my knowledge, but like you literally, hold on, but you literally said that you were on a date with a guy.
	Yes, you were on a date with a guy, and then the guy who you were also fucking, a different guy, who you were also fucking walked up.
	Well, hey, I'm giving with, I'm giving the example said, enjoy my seed or whatever to the other dude or some shit, you know?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I said that.
	Yeah.
	No, and honestly, I just was, I just sat there and finished eating and he left.
	And yeah.
	Do you think in a world without any sort of like adult content, like men would be able to figure out how to satisfy their desires and pleasure and all that stuff in a healthy way?
	Are you asking if they would have less fetishes?
	Well, yeah, because I mean, I think they would, absolutely.
	There's a lot of men who, you know, they'll watch the content version so that they don't go out and act on it.
	But there's been a lot of research on people beginning to watch corn and how it intensifies over time.
	And so I think a lot of sexual fetishes actually arise from early exposure as youth to corn.
	And then it gets harder, they get more explorative, and then all of a sudden they have some weird kink or fetish because that's they've built some neural programming and loop that that's how they get off.
	And so if there was less of that, yeah, I think we'd have less sexual fetishes.
	But why is it?
	Why is it wrong to have like a certain sexual fetish unless it has to like involve someone like underage people or whatever, like something that's actually bad?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, are you saying fetishes in general are bad?
	I wasn't making a blanket statement regarding fetishes in general, but I think fetishes lead to a form of perversion.
	And perversion's bad.
	Absolutely.
	And so my point is that the corn is a catalyst for these types of fetishes and perversions that get out of hand.
	So maybe some people have different things.
	I'm not making blanket statements about that.
	But corn is certainly a catalyst of why this is becoming more and more normalized and more and more people have these weird kinks.
	Yeah.
	Well, they wouldn't see it without the potential.
	I mean, like, I can't disagree with that, but at the same time, like, I do corn and it has changed my life as I know it.
	And it's no takes you back seas.
	I feel like the red pill guys, though, they, they teach these men that, you know, if you're not feeling right mentally, like, you can't, you shouldn't go, like, seek a counselor and talk to them.
	And you got to tough it out.
	And you just got to be like David Goggins and all this shit.
	I would say go find an Orthodox priest.
	So that's.
	Well, but, you know, there's a lot of people who won't.
	There's a lot of atheists and men who don't believe and they're not going to go do that.
	But my point being, like, there's some women who, like, they'll make them just feel good about themselves on OnlyFans or wherever.
	And it's like, what if he would have offed himself the next day if she hadn't just said some nice words to him?
	Like, I don't know.
	I feel like there's some benefits, but it doesn't justify.
	I'm not sure, like, not unaliving because the typer chatter, who's like a dude on OnlyFans, but it's the girls OnlyFans page, but it's the typer is like, no, don't do that.
	Well, no, I'm having your personal experience.
	Don't do it.
	I'm speaking from personal experience.
	I've had dozens of men who've told me.
	Not even just the life thing.
	There's been a few like that.
	But there's been a few who have said, like, if it weren't for talking to me, like, they don't know where they would be and that, you know, it's something where they just feel like nobody else wants them.
	So.
	I have a question for you guys.
	Do you know who Ryan Pownall is?
	Yes.
	What is his thought?
	No, I've heard that name.
	I don't know him.
	He's super Canadian.
	He has not been inside me.
	Okay, when I because when I sucked him off, he was like, he was like, you like that dick A?
	I was like, oh, so just because he said A.
	But over and over yet, he's like, no, because I just have a better beginning.
	At AVN, I sucked him and Kane off, and then they were just going off on the A. Who the fuck is that guy?
	Ryan Pownall.
	All right, here's what we're going to do, guys.
	We're going to, the TTS is now 30.
	TTS is now 30.
	We're going to do a roast session.
	Wait, are you switching the subject because you don't like Ryan?
	Because I know he came on here.
	Oh, yeah, I guess we have some.
	Does he do corn?
	I guess I don't know.
	He's the host of Pillow Talk.
	You guys do have to be a Pillow Talk podcast.
	The guy came on like a year ago.
	We had a debate.
	He talked some shit.
	I don't really, I mean.
	He like buys a lot of my OnlyFans and then tells me about it.
	Have you hooked up with Ryan?
	Hell no.
	Why not?
	No.
	He's just not my type.
	Too Canadian.
	I mean, can I have a picture of him?
	Like, who is that?
	I have one more thing to say about him because I was like, while he was like, could you tilt the mic or sorry, scoot the mic to the edge of the table?
	I'm like, that name sounds so familiar.
	I really liked Ted.
	I liked him a lot as a friend, and I thought that he was a cool guy that was connected to the industry and stuff.
	But then, literally, the other day, he was like, he sent me a voice memo right after I got off the whatever podcast before this one.
	And he was saying, he was bashing me basically for talking about young gravy.
	And he was saying how I'm a horrible person for like saying shit about young gravy and that I made him in Ari get into this huge argument and stuff.
	And I just think that that's fucked up.
	Girlfriend.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought the Ari.
	Well, I think you're about to get them into another argument.
	Yeah.
	Like a really bigger one.
	It's probably already started.
	Your phone's just blowing up right now.
	Wait, have you ever had a pregnancy scare?
	Never.
	Okay.
	Why are you asking?
	What would you do if Young Gravy got you pregnant?
	I would have his baby.
	I don't believe in abortion.
	Imagine if she's pregnant with Young Gravy's.
	Next step on the news.
	I mean, it was last Saturday, right?
	You guys.
	I can't hear this.
	Ari is like a blessing to this earth.
	Like, have you seen her?
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I feel bad for her right now.
	I can't even hear this.
	But, like, she obviously knows and she's still staying in the relationship.
	So is it really fully her fault?
	All right, guys.
	$30 TTS.
	Send in some roast, guys.
	$30 TTS.
	We'll go for another 10, 20 minutes.
	And then I need to get this wrapped up because, you know, it's been a long show.
	It's been a long show.
	All right.
	$30 TTS.
	We have, we had some lingering here, though.
	So we got Pasty George at 70.
	Thank you.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Many women expecting traditional values from men when they themselves are far from traditional is insane.
	And yet they wonder why men are looking for virgin women in non-feministic countries.
	I mean, the whole thing with the paying thing.
	It's like chivalry is for ladies.
	Chivalry is dead, isn't it?
	And women killed it.
	But to his point, like, I have no problem paying for everything.
	And that's the expectation between me and my wife.
	But that was, she's a traditional girl.
	So it's like the expectations of me being a traditional man, a provider and a protector and a leader.
	Like, that's the exchange.
	Wait, question.
	Going around the table, everybody wants the man to pay, I think, except it's just you.
	Chloe, will you take a man's last name if you get married?
	Of course.
	Will you take his last, not hyphenate, you'll take his last name if you get married?
	No, well, the only reason is because my dad passed away, so I want to keep hyphening and keep my last name.
	Okay, what about you?
	Fuck my dad.
	I'm changing it.
	So if you get married, you'll take his name?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	The exact same answer.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'll probably like add it to after mine.
	I have like a pretty strong like family heritage.
	I don't know.
	So you would not?
	I would just like add it.
	You'd hyphenate.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I would take the name.
	Did you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah, I'd take his last name.
	So, no and no.
	But you guys want men to pay for first aids.
	No, I'm not.
	It's not an aid.
	I don't want men to pay for first aid.
	No way.
	That's why I'm saying I would hyphenate it.
	more because I don't have anyone else to carry my dad's last name and I want to keep him his name alive.
	That's fair.
	That is fair, Brian.
	What's your last name?
	I'm not saying that the fuck.
	Okay, I thought it was out there.
	Okay, no.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	But I just want to keep his name alive because my brother's not going to have any kids and there's no one else to carry that last name.
	Why won't they have kids?
	My brother?
	Yeah.
	He just doesn't want any have any.
	Oh, okay.
	I think just there's lots of reasons, but I think.
	But I mean, what?
	That's not very traditional.
	Well, it's not traditional.
	Not taking the husband's last name.
	But why?
	So you hear my reason because my dad passed away and I want to, like, that's still okay.
	My dad passed away.
	And why?
	And for this reason, I don't want to do any of my traditional duties.
	But I'm not a traditional person either.
	And I also.
	Then why do you want men to pay for first aids?
	I feel like I'm traditional in some ways and some not.
	Like, I'm saying that, like, the last name thing, that's why I would take their last name, but also hyphenate it.
	Because I think that I should take their last name, but I also want mine.
	Are you traditional in any ways that come to your detriment, conceivably?
	I don't know what you mean.
	Like, are you picking and choosing like tradition is a buffet?
	So you, oh, okay, I like it when men are protectors and providers, but oh, wait, I have potential duties or I have things that I have to do.
	Yeah, that's definitely not.
	No, but that's not, I don't, that's, no, I don't think that men have to do things and I don't.
	Like, I don't think like a woman who wants a man who provides, pays for everything, and they just sit home and they don't cook him a meal or do anything.
	I think that's ridiculous as well.
	I think a woman who wants things, they should also provide things as well.
	I think it's an exchange, but also I don't think it's a problem if a woman doesn't want that life either.
	Like, I think it's awesome.
	I think you should just like pick and choose.
	Like, what do you want to do?
	If she doesn't want to cook for me, I just don't want to do that.
	That's fine.
	But I feel like if I want a certain life and I want like that, I'm okay playing that role as long as like I'm getting what I need as well.
	Like it should be an equal payoff thing.
	I feel like it's okay to pick and choose if they're both okay with it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	I'm not picking or choosing like in my own regard, like saying like he needs to do this and I won't do that.
	It's not like that.
	It's more like some things I'm okay with, some things I'm not, you know?
	I feel you agree.
	Same.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but I think WIC women dictate a lot of terms in the dating marketplace.
	So this idea of like, okay, if women are okay with it and men are okay with it, I'm still just having a conversation about what is and what isn't fair.
	So if I'm from a bird's eye view, I acknowledge, like with my criticisms when it comes to you guys being promiscuous or involved in sex work, but still expecting men to pay.
	I know for a fact, you guys don't have a problem finding men who are willing to pay for you on dates.
	This is despite your promiscuity, despite you being modern women, you can still find men to fall into their traditional gender roles and pay for dates.
	What I'm saying here is, it's not that you can't find it.
	I'm making a criticism of whether that's a fair shake for the guy.
	And I don't think it is.
	I don't think it's fair for a guy to pay for a first date with a woman who is sexually involved with another man or who's a porn star or whatever it is, corn star.
	Whoops, see.
	That's what I'm saying.
	These people are like, these men are knowledgeable.
	Like, they know that they're doing this.
	Like, who cares what they decide to do?
	Like, these men know that they're paying for dinner for these women that are sexually active with other people and they're okay with that.
	And if you're not okay with that, that's okay.
	But also, it's okay if that man's okay with it.
	It's okay if someone thinks something's okay and you don't think it's okay.
	You know what I mean?
	I think they're allowed to do whatever they want.
	It's not fair.
	I'm saying what is that meaning that's fair?
	It's not fair.
	Because it doesn't matter if it's fair.
	They enjoy it.
	They're paying for it.
	Well, it's not fair if they do it, but it's also not, I don't think it's fair to have that expectation, which you do have.
	I don't think it's fair either, but I'm still going to have it.
	Okay.
	I mean, yeah.
	I guess that makes sense.
	Why is it fair?
	You don't think I should take their last name?
	Like, why is that such a big deal traditionally?
	Like, I know I'm taking their last name.
	I just want to have a question.
	Well, I'm trying to wreck.
	Are you saying comparing the two with traditional and that, and I should have that opinion and that opinion?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Like, well, it's just how do you reconcile like holding men to certain traditional gender roles, but then also, okay, I don't want to take the guy's last name.
	And you think me hyphening is not taking it?
	No, that's the traditional thing is you take his last name fully, not hyphenate.
	That's some feminine.
	You know what?
	I'll change that.
	I'm going to take the guy's last name because I don't think my family really wants me to have their last name anymore.
	There you go.
	Love that.
	So, you know what?
	I'm going to ask you.
	Goosey Goosey.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	So now I'm going to, you know, I'm going to officially go change it to Goosey.
	Thank you guys so much.
	Great.
	All right.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	Guys, get some messages in.
	Get some TTSs in.
	going to let these come through we have hold on Lazy.
	Uh-oh.
	Did I?
	Lazy Raccoon donated $30.
	The lack of logic with the girls on this panel is astonishing, especially the bigger girl in red.
	The only fun and reasonable one is Chloe.
	Wait.
	The one in red?
	Bigger girl?
	She's wearing pink, sir.
	Colorblind.
	You might want to check your eyes, Lazy Raccoon.
	Thank you, though.
	Thank you, Josh.
	Appreciate it.
	Chivalry, which is a medieval code for knights describing virtuous behavior for them, was right in assuming the women were godly and viruous too.
	It doesn't apply to 99% of modern women.
	That's facts.
	That's facts.
	True.
	That's facts.
	Chivalry is only for ladies.
	Okay, good job.
	No pushback.
	Do you believe a guy should like open the car door for me and like open them?
	Where does it like stop?
	Like the chivalry, for me specifically, you know?
	What would it look like for?
	What does it look like?
	What does it look like for whores deserve?
	You're a whore.
	Look, I'm not, a guy shouldn't be disrespectful.
	Oh, man.
	But you can get your own door.
	You can pay for your portion of the food when you go to dinner.
	Is it because I'm grimy?
	Huh?
	I'm grimy.
	So you just don't open the door for me.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	That's pretty much it.
	I'm so hyperly independent, though.
	That's why I didn't answer because I'm like, I don't even know how to accept it anymore.
	Yeah, it's like, you know.
	No, it's okay.
	I like assholes.
	Can I ask you guys another question?
	Here we go.
	All right.
	All right.
	Go ahead, Chloe.
	Do you guys squirt?
	That is such a question.
	Do you want them to raise their hands?
	No, I just want to ask you guys.
	I mean, you guys are porn stars.
	Crazy question.
	Can you?
	Yeah, I should.
	Try to just stay straight with young gravy makers.
	I can't hear about that.
	I can square, but I can only squirt if I'm writing it.
	And I would love to learn in other positions.
	She belongs to the colours.
	I don't want to.
	I won't get into this right now, but like, because it's just like a really long conversation, but I can from the front and the back end.
	Well, not like the back, but yeah, I can squirt.
	I'm going doing it.
	Like, how did you learn how to do that?
	Oh, my gosh.
	How did I learn how to do that?
	Or has it always been like that?
	You should make a crash course.
	Yeah, you know what?
	Yeah.
	There's a tricky book coming up.
	I'm going to do a sex education.
	She's a slaughter cheek for people.
	Oh, my gosh, this pants.
	I can't even hear what she's saying.
	I'm not learning.
	She wants to learn.
	You got to just know your body.
	Yeah, you have to find what works for you in your life.
	We have.
	Oh, is this Chris Brown?
	Based, Thor donated $30.
	I can make a broke bish rich, but I don't fuck with broke bishes, though.
	These 304 Zaint loyal, woe 304 Zaint loyal women have so much evil in their blood that God has to drain it out once and.
	Oh, wait, what's a 304?
	It's an area code.
	Yeah.
	It's an area code.
	Yeah.
	Area code.
	Definitely an area code.
	They're people who like walk in Vegas, you know, three or four.
	Oh, they're the casinos, you know, that's what they call 304s.
	Oh, so he's referring to like me.
	Okay.
	Oh, like us?
	I don't know.
	Well, I think three of us are more like prostitutes, like than corn stars.
	Yes, exactly that.
	Guys, get the Rosin if you want.
	Get the Morosin.
	We're going to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.
	Oh, can I share something funny?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, so one of the pranks I did that went absolutely viral, like it went viral on TikTok, and then it was picked up by Sky News Australia, Hodge Twins.
	So I did street interviews on college campuses, and I asked, man, would you...
	Okay, this will sound really weird.
	Did you watch this one?
	No, I didn't see it.
	Yeah, so I asked, would you donate one of your testicles to benefit trans men and help fight toxic masculinity?
	And it was like a joke at first, but everyone took me seriously.
	Oh, I saw that.
	You saw that?
	Yeah.
	That was cool.
	Who's willing to remove their makeup?
	We're going to.
	Please, you'll save me the trouble.
	That was not helpful.
	You know, I'll go change.
	Do you need me to do it?
	Yeah, just leave it on.
	Yeah, leave it on.
	I mean, we're going to wrap this.
	This is going to take like so long.
	I have like eight layers.
	I have one too much makeup on.
	It's okay.
	I'm really not afraid to be with our face.
	I can't.
	Oh, God.
	I can't wait to look at my phone.
	Since we're just asking a bunch of random questions, who here has been diagnosed with a mental illness?
	Wait, what?
	We're going to immediately look at this.
	You know what's your mental illness?
	What?
	What have you been diagnosed with?
	BPD, bipolar.
	APD?
	ADP.
	Is it the BPD?
	I mean, not technically, but like.
	What's ADP?
	Okay, it's more so like, I don't know.
	I got a few things.
	But I will say most of it has been trauma-induced.
	So it can definitely, definitely cause that.
	It can definitely cause that.
	Yes, pass.
	Chloe.
	Are they for sensitive skin?
	Yes, they're for sensitive skin.
	And then when you're done, I want you guys to let me know and we're going to hold them up.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Are you going to take it off?
	Audrey.
	It's not even about.
	I literally can't.
	She's got a hot date after the show.
	She's got a hot date after the show.
	Yes, I do.
	Attend.
	Makeup.
	You can see my thing.
	Oh, Katerina.
	My face is so burnt right now.
	Those will like sting me.
	Please do it.
	No, like I need not work.
	I will look insane if I try to take it off and make you do it.
	Chat, I have a question for you.
	I use like intended makeup room or would you if this breaks the skin mirror?
	Would you rather a girl with a low body count, but she has BPD or a girl with a high body count but she doesn't have PPT?
	Borderline personality disorder.
	What do you pick, chat?
	Get out.
	I need to know.
	Wait, what was ADP?
	Antisocial per uh or it's ASPD, antisocial personality disorder.
	Oh you got to pick one chat.
	Nope.
	I see Matt.
	You can't say neither.
	Is that Metro, Matt?
	Are you saying we all have that?
	No.
	Oh.
	Maybe.
	Do you think I have a mental disorder?
	I don't know.
	Take off the fake lashes and I'll tell you.
	I need to look into somebody's eyes.
	You have to see if it's like giving mug shot or not.
	Yeah, you want me to take my lashes off too?
	Yeah, sure, actually.
	That's why I was saying that I can't use those and makeup.
	Do it.
	Look how pale I'm getting.
	Katarina, take off the makeup.
	It's gonna hurt so bad if I do.
	Yeah, do it.
	No, it's not about the makeup table.
	about my face do I look ugly Do you still have makeup on?
	I think you need to get the rest.
	You like look the same.
	Yeah.
	Why did you look at me like that?
	And then pass out.
	All right, hold it up.
	Hold up the damage.
	Starting over here, hold that up.
	You still working on it?
	Hold it up.
	I can't see my.
	All right, there's that.
	That's actually not bad.
	Hold it up, Chloe.
	Oh, I got a massive cake on this baby.
	Oh, shit.
	You have.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, baby.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Did you hold it up?
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Congrats, guys.
	You know why your skin is so clear, though?
	You don't even need that much makeup.
	Thank you.
	See, I just look like this naturally.
	I can't even.
	What?
	Honestly, though.
	I've been kind of like giving you shit all night.
	I actually think you look better without makeup.
	Wait, take your lashes off, too.
	Like.
	Oh, wait.
	I mean, oh, wait.
	She's like.
	Are you a ginger?
	No, I'm born naturally.
	Yeah, same.
	Although, yeah, no, I like, yeah, whatever.
	I don't have any brain cells anymore.
	It has great skin, though.
	Word.
	All right.
	Ashley, thank you for the super chat.
	Okay, guys.
	Oh, my God.
	Is it broken?
	Guys, is Streamlabs broken?
	Because this is a bit uncharacteristic for work bloke denied.
	Boost the audio.
	This is why men should follow the black bill instead of the red pill.
	You should definitely explore self-improvement, but the reality is either neither red billers or feminists care about you.
	What are you talking about?
	Faucio.
	We need to end with the Patrice clip.
	It's been a while since it's a little bit more.
	It is like the red pill.
	Like, I don't understand that, honestly.
	Well, I mean, there's different variations.
	It's from the made the film The Matrix.
	It's basically just the truth.
	I think you look so pretty without makeup.
	Thank you.
	I just feel like I look really pale.
	You kind of look like Eminem.
	Has anybody ever told you that?
	What the heck?
	You're the first, Brian.
	No, you kind of like.
	No, she does this.
	Wait, do we have any bleach in the stadium?
	Wait, can you start playing without me?
	Because I love that song.
	Bleach.
	Like, Eminem.
	Bleach her hair.
	Shady or like Marshall Mathers?
	Like, where are we going with this?
	All of the above.
	Nothing.
	Dude, she does look like Slim.
	No shit.
	In what way?
	I really don't see trailer pot girls go around the outside.
	Superman.
	I can't take myself seriously.
	I don't know.
	Not a jealous man, but really?
	Nobody knows the end of the okay.
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't know.
	Oh, were you seeing it?
	Nemesis donated $40.
	Hey, Nemesis.
	W Brickson, W is W Mary.
	That's kind of funny.
	Yeah, thank you, Nemesis.
	All right, Pasty George.
	Respect to the women who took off their faces.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Respect to the women who took off their fake faces.
	I think it's all off.
	God damn, get.
	Can we get a plastic surgeon in here to take them titties out?
	God damn, my girl Chloe.
	Her back's all fucked up.
	Can we get her some I don't know?
	Wait, what were we talking about Eminem or something?
	Yeah, yo, I think the super chats are bugged, boys.
	Not the super chats, the stream labs.
	Because people normally would be just bombarding us right now, but we've gotten like five once I pushed it down to 30.
	Everyone's probably now.
	Nah, man, people up.
	People up because I'm on it.
	We still have, we got, we got three, 3,600 people watching.
	Oh, 3,600.
	Shout out to Australia.
	It is late.
	It is late.
	Whoa.
	Okay, Chloe, chill out.
	All right.
	Well, if anybody wants to, it could, I've had issues with Streamlabs working before, I guess.
	So maybe it could be bugged.
	So here's what we're going to do.
	We'll open it up for another five minutes.
	If you want to do $30 super chats, so you're doing that through YouTube.
	$30 super chats.
	Get them in, folks.
	Get them in.
	And we'll read it via YouTube because perhaps it is the case that Streamlabs is bugged, boys.
	It might be bugged.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we get this wrapped up here?
	Final thoughts.
	I just want to say thank you to all the men that do support us and also to the hosts for at least hearing all of our perspectives.
	I'm kind of like sad that you guys didn't want to teach me how to score in other positions.
	Just get our contact info.
	Okay.
	That's sweet.
	Yes.
	Oh, whoops.
	Didn't even press that.
	Okay.
	Maybe I'll make a podcast.
	I'll go over that.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Thanks for the support.
	Wait, for what?
	Slim Shady donated $30.
	Chair five.
	Guess who's back?
	Oh, yeah, we are.
	Back again, Shady's back.
	Tell a friend, guess who's back.
	Guess who's back?
	Bro, okay, guys, guys, guys.
	Just pick.
	Here, here, here.
	Picture this, though.
	Look, look at her.
	And then short hair, bleach, bleach, buzz cut.
	That's fucking Eminem, bro.
	Can I AI it?
	Wait, can somebody look more like Emma Thurman from Pulp Fiction, like with your haircut?
	Oh, I get that a lot.
	I actually dressed up like her for Halloween when I was in the middle of the day when I was still an innocent woman.
	Yeah, I believe that.
	You look like Kerry Perry.
	You look like you could be.
	Let's hear it.
	Never mind.
	No, I want.
	No, please, please, please.
	I'm begging you.
	I want to hear it so bad.
	You know, like how the Baroque paintings of royalty in like the 1600s before they actually got kind of good at art.
	To be fair, there was some great art.
	I think that I would.
	You kind of look like you were royalty in the 1600s.
	A painting of royalty.
	But not from, you know, there was like some very like Carpeggio.
	Wait, what's that fucking guy's name?
	Who is very talented?
	Like the, I don't know, maybe some like small principality in like Eastern Europe.
	Okay.
	A painting.
	That's what she look like.
	So, okay, so I look like that and I look like Eminem.
	Yes.
	What is his name?
	Who's the fucking artist?
	I already got a shower.
	I look like an Anglo-Saxon boy.
	Carvod, thank you.
	I thought it was going to be like something like mean.
	I mean, it could be taken that way because there was a lot of inbreeding among the royalty.
	I see where you're going.
	Yeah, I'm not saying you're, but you know what?
	Does anybody see my vision?
	Huh?
	You're saying I'm an inbred?
	No, but does anybody see my vision?
	Yeah, I see.
	Like, she looks like, you know, put her in like a queen outfit or some shit.
	And she looks like she could be like, but again, not like one of the major, not one of the major lineages when it comes to royalty.
	This would be like, you know, we're talking like Yugoslavia or, you know, like a small principality.
	Okay.
	We should make an x-rayed version of this.
	Am I right, chat?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Slim Shady donated $30.
	Did I already do this one?
	Chair 5.
	Oh, my bad.
	Guess who's back?
	Back again, Shady.
	My bad.
	Don't even reach our gun.
	Tell a friend, guess who's back.
	Guess who's back?
	All right.
	Thank you for that, Slim Shady.
	Thank you.
	We have Pasty George here.
	You're listening to me.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	For some reason, Chair Six's character reminds me of an 80s cartoon character.
	L-O-L.
	What?
	Chair 6?
	Her?
	I think.
	Chair 6?
	Which Russian woman are you talking about?
	I think the one in Carrim said.
	They gave me 7.
	Chair 7?
	I was 7.
	Yeah, with the way that she's dressed up.
	Trent Reznor?
	What's the thing?
	It said that somebody looks like an 80s cartoon character.
	Hold on.
	I think you fit the bill.
	I guess.
	Lazy Raccoon donated $30.
	Thank you, man.
	Who lies more?
	Girls with filters or guys with height in their Tinder bios?
	Height.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	Oh.
	What if we don't have filters?
	Dude, guys are actually crazy.
	They'll be like, oh, I'm six foot, and then I see them in person and they're like 5'3 ⁇ .
	I'm like, who thought you would get away with that?
	Okay, we have Pacey George here, and then we have Joseph.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Oops.
	My bad.
	I meant Chair 6.
	Unlimited money.
	You'd be crazy if you meant anyone else.
	Word.
	All right, there's another one coming in.
	Pacy George, thank you for the TTIP.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Chair 5 kind of looks like Jill Valentine from Resident Evil 3, Nemesis on the PlayStation 1.
	In that game, she is sometime akin to special forces and kills zombies.
	Nice.
	Joseph Lamoff donated $30.
	Chair 5 looks like one of the fat sculptures that would have been made of the royalty in the 1600s.
	Stupid.
	Thank you.
	All right, I'm sending the fun.
	We're going to react to a clip and we're wrapping.
	I sent the clip via private chat if you want to pull that up.
	We're going to do Patrice's clip.
	We have not done it in a while.
	I'll have you just get that full screen.
	It might start auto playing.
	All right.
	Any final thoughts from anybody else before we wrap this?
	Speak now, forever.
	Hold your peace.
	Thanks for letting me on.
	Thank you for coming.
	Awesome.
	I used to be such a big fan of your YouTube channel.
	I used to watch.
	No, you don't do it anymore.
	I love doing it.
	But I'm saying that was like my thing back then.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Thanks.
	We'll see.
	Thank you very much.
	How many people hate me after this?
	Nah, you guys were everybody was chill tonight.
	Nobody beside your family.
	The ones that matter the most.
	Well, I'm saying that as a joke based on what she said.
	She's been making light of the situation.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I'm not sure.
	I wouldn't say that if it is.
	Lighthearted.
	Yeah, we got thick skin.
	Word.
	All right.
	Oh, I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you a call to action before we watch the Patrice clip.
	And there's maybe a couple more chats that are going to filter through for Chloe.
	Chloe, face that way, man.
	Chloe, Lindsay, Lucy, and Gertrude.
	Would you guys consider stopping sex work tonight, right now, on the whatever podcast?
	For your soul.
	Honestly, it made me want to not do OnlyFans anymore.
	I'm not going to do it anymore.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Will you stop doing sex work?
	But that's the thing is that you're asking me to put other people under financially.
	How am I going to supply support?
	So who do you support like a Guatemalan family or something?
	My family.
	Oh.
	I thought you aren't cool with them.
	Or I don't know.
	Did I?
	Are you not?
	Are you cool with them?
	No.
	My mom's fine.
	My sisters are great.
	She only said fuck her dad.
	Oh, yeah, Buzz, because he's doing meth or something.
	I don't know.
	Yes.
	All right, Chloe, what about you?
	Will you quit tonight?
	I said that he literally made me want to quit OnlyFans earlier when he was speaking because I think he's very well spoken and I think he's the smartest person here.
	And I would like to quit.
	I'm never going to quit.
	What would you do to replace OF?
	Just social media by itself, like YouTube.
	Let's do it.
	Be the next NALA.
	All right.
	Pasty George.
	Thank you.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Thank you.
	I want to thank the panelists for attending this podcast and to the host Brian and his guest.
	Thank you all and good night.
	Thank you, man.
	I hope you have a good night over there in Canada land.
	Really quick, pull up Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub if you have one.
	All right, guys.
	Guys, it's been 59 minutes since we last had the Prime Sub.
	Guys, I think it's bugged.
	Oh my lethal.
	Thank you for the Prime.
	Guys, there's 1,300 viewers.
	Kindly follow and like the wait, you can't like on Twitch.
	Follow and drop a Prime sub if you oh Kath.
	Thank you, Kath.
	Guys, just check if you have a Prime sub available.
	Thumbs, thank you for the Prime.
	Really appreciate it, guys.
	It's a quick, freezy way to support the show every single month.
	If you have an Amazon Prime account, you just do a quick linky link to your Twitch.
	And then every single month, you can drop us a Prime sub.
	It's, you know, a couple dollars of support that if you already have an Amazon Prime account, it's like, why not?
	Let me just support this creator.
	It'll take you 30 seconds to link it up.
	And then every single month, we don't even have to be live while you do it.
	You can just, you know, whenever you can drop a Prime sub.
	Borg, thank you for the Prime.
	Raccoon.
	Oh my God, Raccoon.
	Thank you for the follow, man.
	Thank you.
	A live Dodo.
	Thank you for the follow.
	Really appreciate all the support over there on Twitch, guys, trying to build up our Twitch because Felicity is going to start a gaming channel.
	She's going to start playing World of Warcraft.
	Maybe Chloe, maybe Chloe will do some cameo.
	She's going to play some video games.
	We don't know.
	All right, we're going to wrap it up with the Patrice clip, then we're out of here.
	Go for it.
	Oh, can you do?
	I wonder if there's a way.
	Yeah, it's going to be in the video tab, but is there a way for you to open it in like a new window?
	Not like the Dropbox player.
	Am I?
	Any luck or I feel terrible for you.
	Yeah.
	I saw that.
	Lindsay Lee.
	Matt Reif.
	The man who got away.
	Do you have it?
	It's what?
	It's going to talk.
	Watch fleshlights coming out soon.
	We'll just play that.
	That's fine.
	We'll just play.
	I want to get one.
	Oh, no, I liked it the other way.
	I'm going to send it to him because then he can see.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Okay, hide that.
	Put in video tab, please.
	Video tab.
	Guys, I really do.
	I need you guys to pay attention.
	We're going to react to this video.
	It's very short.
	I need you guys to pay attention to what he says because this will change your life.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Jesus.
	Go ahead.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Here's a question.
	Here's a serious question.
	Okay, ladies, if you didn't have a vagina, like say it was a terrible train accident, right?
	And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away.
	Or you're going to die.
	How would you keep your man past, you get a two-month guilty?
	I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost a pussy in a train accident.
	Can't just walk right out on him.
	How would you keep your man past that?
	This mouth?
	What are you talking about?
	And then you're going to leave it there for temporarily.
	So going around the table, what do you do to keep your man?
	I'm really good at sucking dicks, so okay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Like she said, there's other ways to please a man than just sex, but I just hope he stays with me.
	Mouth and ass.
	i don't know and how i what What do you do to keep your man?
	Oh, stay loyal, cook for him.
	I don't know.
	Just do all that basic stuff.
	Were you listening?
	Not really.
	If you lost your vagines, you know, in a wreck or something.
	There was a train accident.
	Terrible train accident.
	You lost your pussy.
	What do you do to keep your man?
	Oh, in that way.
	I don't know.
	Wow, that was profound.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm probably just, you know, blowy.
	A little blowy.
	And Abby.
	You look so much like Emma.
	Do you want me to rap for you?
	I kind of would like you to do that, actually.
	Can you?
	Would you like me to rap on your?
	That's spaghetti.
	I'd pay for raps.
	This is a platform for you to jumpstart your rap career.
	I created a flash.
	Okay, what do you do to keep your men?
	Yeah, that's the way.
	Basically, hands, mouth.
	Okay, all right.
	Can I get a surgery and fix it?
	No?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Maybe I'll have my fleshlight.
	I'll have to figure something out.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't know.
	I don't think I'd want.
	I don't know how to answer that.
	What do you do to keep your men?
	Well, I'm not going to do.
	I mean, old me, yeah, would have done those things, but I guess, like, now I don't, I don't think I'd probably be single then if that's only what a guy would want from me, if that did happen.
	Unfortunately, I don't know.
	Okay.
	Let's play the rest of the clip.
	Go ahead and play it.
	Pay attention.
	What?
	Wow.
	Nothing.
	You can talk.
	You can talk.
	Suck his dick.
	Okay.
	Mouth.
	Asshole.
	Okay, great.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Now, I've been getting pussy beamed the whole show, right?
	But I give women the opportunity to say, I'm going to make myself worth more.
	But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
	But, but, you know, I'm.
	I'm supposed to treat you special, but you're just a bunch of holes to yourself.
	No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
	Well, look, whatever.
	You guys failed.
	A lot of you guys failed.
	All right.
	That's pretty much it.
	Any final last words from anybody?
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	We have base Thor here.
	Bass Thor donated $30.
	Remember, put a little pepper on her pillow so when you put her face in it, she sneezes and her kitty will grip you like a gorilla fist.
	Since y'all know everything, what was 36 mafia sipping on?
	36 mafia.
	Are those the guys that made that stay high song?
	Stay high.
	Is that 36 mafia?
	No, I know what song you're talking about, and I think that you might be correct.
	Wow.
	Grape and coating or something.
	Nice.
	I'm Eminem, you know?
	You can pull that up.
	All right, guys.
	Hold on.
	Sorry.
	Okay, last call.
	Hit the like button, please.
	GG, well played.
	Well played.
	Whoops.
	Well played.
	Well played to the panel.
	GG, well played.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight, everybody.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got a really good panel next Sunday, so be sure to tune in for that.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, hold on, there's another one coming in.
	Chair five, thank you, thank you.
	There it is.
	Chair five donated thirty dollars.
	His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy.
	There's vomit on his sweater already.
	Mom's forgiven.
	Oh, yeah.
	Thank you, Chair Five.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate that.
	All right, guys.
	Let me just double-check here.
	Everything looks good.
	Like the video, please.
	On your way out.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	We will see you next time.
	Good night.

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