Whatever Podcast - MELTDOWN?! Heated Debate w/ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women?! She IS The Table?!

Feb. 3, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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MELTDOWN?! Heated Debate w/ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women?! She IS The Table?! | Dating Talk #225

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	My name is Natasha Alhandi Shah.
	I'm 30 from Woodyer in Los Angeles, California.
	I'm a personal trainer and a LA Clippers girl.
	And I have a bachelor's in classical music, child development, and education, triple major.
	Okay.
	And you're from LA, right?
	Like you grew up there?
	Border of LA and OJC in Woody.
	Okay, LA Clippers girl.
	So like cheerleading.
	Okay.
	Or is it dance squad or I don't know?
	It's like a hype crew.
	So you're like getting the crowd excited, passing out t-shirts.
	I did it for the LA Kings for five years.
	I do it for the Clippers.
	This is my third season.
	Do you have pom-poms?
	No, we do not have pom-poms.
	All right.
	So it's the, what is it called?
	Clippers, what?
	LA Clippers Girl?
	Girl.
	That's your, what, if you had to put it on a resume, what do you put on the resume?
	Like a hype squad.
	Hype.
	Yeah.
	Squad girl.
	You would just put hype squad.
	Hype squad.
	Yeah.
	Hype squad.
	Is that it's different from cheerleaders.
	Like they have cheerleaders.
	They have like a dance team.
	They have like a kids dance team.
	They have a drum line.
	And then they have like the crew that gets everyone excited.
	All right.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Trinidad.
	I'm 32.
	I'm from the Virgin Islands, but I live here in LA now, almost like 10 years now.
	Okay.
	I act and I do music.
	All right.
	And any college or anything like that?
	Oh, yeah.
	I graduated.
	It's been so long.
	But I graduated with a BA in broadcast and media, journalistic writing, with a minor in photography and psychology for like child development.
	Which university?
	It was Evergreen State College in Washington State.
	Is that the same Evergreen?
	Brett Weinstein?
	Yeah, I think it is.
	College, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	They're pretty white over there, hey?
	It was.
	They're pretty liberal.
	Yes, very liberal.
	It was like eighth in the nation for liberal arts school when I went there.
	And you said you're a musician.
	Are you like?
	Did you sing?
	You rap, what do you do?
	I sing, I rap, I write.
	I do reference tracks for people.
	All right.
	And you have like a pretty interesting piercing.
	Can you show it?
	That into this camera right here?
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	Cool.
	Was it painful?
	No.
	And so you rap, you sing, we're going to need some bars.
	Give us something.
	You need to find a good instrumental for when these occasions are always brian.
	One's not going to get it demonetized.
	What's that?
	You need to find a good instrumental.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like a royalty-free.
	Yes.
	How about drop us a rap or something?
	Like, can you just freestyle?
	I mean, yeah, I go freestyle and I can.
	I'm like, my mind just goes so fast and stuff because I started thinking of my song.
	I was about to start advertising.
	I'm like, go check out my song.
	What's it called?
	You know what?
	Should we pull it up?
	Yeah, pull it up.
	Can we pull it up?
	Is that cool with you?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	It's called Running Up Rex.
	I'll find it.
	What's called Running Rex?
	Running Up Rex.
	What does that mean if you had to explain it to an Australian?
	It means like get into the money, like stacking it up.
	Running up Rex.
	Yeah, Running Up Rex.
	Okay.
	What is a rack?
	Is it $1,000?
	Oh, rap.
	What is rack?
	I thought it was running up rack.
	What's a band?
	It's the same.
	Band.
	Yeah.
	And the G is also $1,000.
	yeah there's a lot of yeah that's why you gotta stack them up You know, run them up.
	Okay.
	I'm going to search for your music video, but I'm going to, while we're doing that, we'll have you introduce yourself.
	Go ahead.
	Hello, everybody.
	My name is BNA, also known as Fifth Dimension Princess.
	I'm 27 years old from Los Angeles, and I'm a personal assistant.
	And I also do music.
	I'm a rapper and a singer.
	Okay.
	Oh, you also, have you guys collaborated before?
	No.
	No, I didn't do something.
	I believe shit.
	Any college or anything?
	Yes, I went to UCSB and I got a bachelor's in global studies.
	Okay, nice.
	Do you also do freestyling?
	No, I usually write.
	Oh, so we couldn't get a rap battle?
	Wait, sorry, I missed this age again?
	I'm 27.
	27.
	Okay.
	And you go by fifth dimension princess.
	Yes.
	You skip to the fourth dimension.
	Yes.
	Went right to the fifth dimension.
	So what's the backstory of the name?
	Fifth Dimension Princess?
	Yeah, so I've always kind of like went by princess.
	Like my username used to be 310 princess.
	That's where I was from.
	That's my area code.
	And then I grew up and kind of really got into spirituality and just cited that fifth dimension kind of went better for me.
	So just went with it.
	Have you been to the fifth dimension?
	Always.
	Always.
	Okay.
	And do have you been to the fourth?
	Yes.
	Now is there a sixth dimension?
	There's nine.
	I hate it.
	There's nine.
	Why did you, why you stop at five?
	Why not go to the ninth?
	It's just the one that's the one.
	Yeah, that's the one.
	And you're the fifth dimension princess.
	Yes, sir.
	Do you have like any like powers?
	Because of the royalty, because you're a princess in the fifth dimension.
	Like, do you have territory?
	Yeah, the whole fifth dimension.
	The whole fifth dimension.
	But isn't there like a king and queen or did they die?
	Like your parents.
	Then my parents died.
	Because you're the princess.
	So your parents are the king and the queen.
	I just, it's more of a name.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'm like thinking.
	I'm like way too.
	Okay.
	It's not like a whole like family lineage or anything.
	I have parents.
	Can you drop a bar?
	Bars.
	I thought we in the metaverse.
	I could hold your glocky on my Fendi Purse.
	Wait.
	The Glock in the metaverse will be held in the Fendi Purse.
	Fendi Perse.
	Okay.
	That was good.
	I liked it.
	Thank you.
	I liked it.
	You must be their agent.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	The agent producer.
	I wish.
	Wait, going to you, it's Trin Dad, right?
	Yes.
	I geeked?
	That is one of them, but it was running.
	I said running up racks.
	Running up racks.
	We should.
	Okay.
	You could do either one though, but in geek, I'm going to be the second verse for that one.
	I could have waited a friend on that one.
	Sure.
	Here, we'll come to that in a sec.
	No, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	I thought that was for me.
	I'm like, boy, I'm not a rapper.
	My name is Callie with a K. I'm from New York.
	What part?
	Spanish Harlem.
	Okay.
	I'm 100 years old.
	No, I'm 35 and I went to, thank you.
	I went to art school in New York, NYU.
	Okay.
	How long have you been in California?
	Six years now.
	Six years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you said you went to art school?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Any like, did you get a bachelor's?
	Is it the same?
	Yeah.
	Like in arts or painting?
	It was mostly film school.
	Film school.
	Okay, very cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Jill.
	I live in Pennsylvania.
	I'm 25.
	And I, for work, I am self-employed with a startup coffee truck business that I have.
	And I went to school for business, bachelor's.
	All right.
	Very cool.
	I'm Melena.
	I'm 22.
	I'm a personal trainer, a Reiki master, and I make indie music.
	All right.
	Any college?
	For personal training, yeah.
	Okay.
	And Reiki.
	Reiki.
	Can you demonstrate something?
	Well, can you do it on the microphone?
	Certain symbols.
	could show you like one of the symbols to like activate it you're supposed to do choku re which is like is that like a sex act or something And then Seiheiki would be.
	And then you do Choku-Ray again.
	And that's supposed to activate it and start it.
	What do you do?
	It's like in the air, and then you would start.
	I usually start with like the forehead, and then I go from like one hand on the forehead and then focus on each chakra.
	So you're not actually touching them.
	You're above them.
	Most of the time above them.
	Sometimes I'll touch them, but only like below the knees because I find it helpful to like make any noises or what do you have to do?
	You're just like hovering above.
	And when you're on like the receiving end of it, usually it feels like kind of hot and tingly.
	Yeah.
	And they're not touching you?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Is the audio muted?
	Oh, I don't know why.
	It's not triggering.
	Sorry, Metromat.
	I don't know why I didn't trigger, but that's a dude.
	But you sent it in five minutes ago, so I don't.
	Is somebody.
	Somebody here, like.
	You know?
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know why it's not.
	That didn't trigger.
	I'll fix it.
	Okay, Darkavia, go ahead.
	My name is Darkavia.
	I'm 23.
	I'm a babysitter, and I don't go to school.
	All right, Jake, what about you?
	Good to be back.
	Jake, 29 years old, still a Rolling Stone.
	I have a YouTube channel, Rattlesnake TV, podcast, the reality-based podcast, travel channel, Rattlesnake Travel.
	We've just today released a video of me shooting guns at Andrew's Farm, which you guys might enjoy.
	And Andrew and I have a show coming out called Not One Step Back, so keep your eye out for it.
	Very cool, very cool.
	All right.
	That's everybody's intro.
	We're going to get everybody's relationship status here.
	So what's your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	I am single.
	I have always been single.
	I've dated in college and after, but never an official relationship.
	So the whole time.
	You've never had a relationship?
	What's the longest period of time that you've seen a guy?
	The same guy, like off and on, for like a year and a half, almost two.
	Okay.
	How many times was it off and on?
	Too many.
	Like more than 10?
	No.
	Like probably four.
	Four times total.
	And how long were the breaks typically?
	Would they vary in length?
	Yeah.
	The first one may be like two months and then maybe less than that each time, but still like substantial breaks.
	And so when you said it was between a year and a half and two years, was that like two calendar years?
	Or are you saying like in total that's in total?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So, this was maybe over the course of three years then?
	No, like December all the way around and then back to an October.
	So, almost two years.
	Okay.
	And when it was off, who would initiate that?
	Both.
	The first time him, but sometimes me, sometimes him.
	Okay.
	And then who would be the one reaching back out, trying to get it back on?
	Always him.
	Always him.
	Okay.
	And I guess you've been single your entire life.
	Did you call this guy your boyfriend?
	No.
	And you've never called anybody your boyfriend?
	No.
	Okay.
	Have you been proposed to?
	No.
	Have you said I love you to anybody?
	No.
	Has anybody said I love you to you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	The guy?
	Several times, yes.
	The two-year guy or whatever.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Many, multiple of them.
	Multiple men have said, I love you.
	Yes.
	Like, seriously, though.
	Like, they say it seriously.
	In a serious sense, yeah, for sure.
	And then how do you respond uncomfortably?
	Do you give them the thanks, babe?
	No, like, thank you for sharing that with me.
	You give them the thanks, babe.
	Yeah.
	I called it.
	Thank you.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, and then at that point, I usually do end it because if I'm not feeling it, I'm not going to say it.
	But I also don't want to lead them on to think that I think at that point you would know if you're almost there or if you're never going to be there.
	And I know that I'm never going to be there with those people.
	With those people.
	Okay.
	When's the last time you've been, I guess, not in a relationship, but involved with a man in a romantic or sexual sense?
	Probably like two, three months?
	Two, three months ago.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Can you ask the questions again?
	Relationship status.
	If you're single, how long have you been single and longest relationship?
	Okay, so I'm single for a few years now.
	Three years, four years?
	Yeah, about three to five.
	Somewhere around there.
	Because I talk to people between time, but you know, nothing like where it's longest relationship?
	Like three years.
	Three years.
	Yes.
	Ever married?
	No.
	Any kids?
	No.
	The three-year relationship who broke up with who?
	I did.
	Okay.
	And was that the one that ended like four years ago or whatever?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And you're single currently.
	So there's no guys in the picture?
	I mean, there's always people in the picture, but like.
	Yeah, okay.
	What do you have in the picture currently?
	A couple guys?
	No, no, I wouldn't say that.
	Like a roster.
	I mean, I did who, but no, no, no, I don't have like a roster.
	I mean, I got like my favorite people, but like.
	What does that mean?
	Like someone that trumps like other people.
	So like if they're around, then they're obviously gonna be.
	Because there's a hierarchy.
	Yes, exactly.
	And how many, how many total people are there?
	Like there's your, you've got a main piece and some side side hose.
	I don't have no main.
	Everybody's on the same playing field.
	I thought you said there was a hierarchy.
	There was like a priority.
	But yeah, that's when they're like in like, I might like someone more than a side hoe.
	Yeah.
	There's not a main though.
	Because there's no relationship.
	You have to have like be in a relationship.
	Because like when you have a main, it's like you're in that relationship with them.
	That's your main.
	And then like.
	You're not exclusive, right?
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay.
	And, but, so is it like of the, you know, some of these guys that you're in a situationship or just kind of talking to, is it three guys, four guys?
	Yeah, it depends on where I'm at.
	Like if you're in location here, yeah, like if I'm in LA.
	Okay, so you got hoes in different area codes.
	Something like that.
	So how many LA because you live in LA?
	How many LA pieces do you have?
	I don't know.
	Maybe like three or four.
	Three or four.
	Vegas?
	Anything in Vegas?
	Actually, yeah, I probably have somebody in Mexico.
	If I went to Vegas and I posted, like, you know, a story and it was like, I'm here, somebody's going to come out the cut.
	Like, yo, I'm here too.
	Boom.
	Easy.
	New York.
	New York, yeah, for sure.
	For sure.
	Miami?
	Yes.
	Texas?
	Yeah, actually.
	Montana.
	No.
	You got to step it up.
	You are slacking in Montana.
	Get with the program, okay?
	These are rookie numbers.
	So, okay.
	We got Miami.
	How many in Miami?
	Like Florida, it's different.
	Miami, like one, two.
	You're more of like a like a, what's it called?
	Daytona Beach gal.
	Like, you don't fuck with Miami?
	No, I love Miami.
	I love Miami.
	Like the panhandle.
	It's just like, yeah, it's just, I don't know.
	Are you international?
	Yes.
	Like, you got, okay, Mexico?
	Nothing in Mexico?
	I don't have nothing in Mexico.
	Nothing in Mexico.
	No, nothing in Mexico.
	What countries do you have?
	Anything in Egypt?
	No Egyptians.
	No, I used to.
	I used to.
	Dubai.
	Dubai.
	How many in Dubai?
	Two.
	Two in Dubai.
	Yes.
	You got to give me.
	Paris.
	Yeah, I love Paris.
	Paris.
	How many in Paris?
	Just one.
	Just one.
	What?
	Just give us the list.
	Because I'm guessing.
	Okay, that's so many.
	Is it a Frenchman in Paris or a French?
	I hate Arabic in Paris.
	So they're French, Arabic, I guess.
	Because they're Egyptian Moroccan, but from Paris.
	Do you have?
	What about the different continents?
	Like, anybody in Asia?
	No, I don't think so.
	No.
	Russia.
	Well, wait, does military count?
	They might be in Asia.
	Like in Okinawa or something.
	Yeah, I think like Japan or something like that.
	Yeah.
	So that counts.
	They're military, so that counts.
	And what about Antarctica?
	Like a research scientist or something?
	No, but if you know one, tell them, call me.
	I will get you hooked up.
	Okay.
	Oh, Damien, let's pull up her rap song.
	We're going to skip ahead, though, to the best part.
	Oh, you didn't find Rennet Up Rex?
	We'll get that going.
	Yo, just Gerald, thank you for the gift of 20 whatever memberships.
	Thank you, Gerald.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Find the racks.
	Okay, so when you start running, it's no G at the end.
	It's just like the apostrophe.
	So that might help.
	It's just on her YouTube channel.
	Just click on the link.
	Yeah, it is on my channel.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you, Eric.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you, Eric.
	Guys, TTS is 100.
	Get it in.
	Like the video.
	Also, what's that?
	Oh yeah.
	That's dope.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Cool.
	That's awesome.
	I was vibing.
	Yeah.
	I was vibing.
	I love that.
	I appreciate it.
	Sweet.
	So, okay.
	Been single for four years, but you got, you know, you got a couple, you know, some BZs and stuff.
	I'm a little shit.
	What about you?
	So I'm actually in a relationship.
	We got together in November of last year.
	And before that, my longest relationship was four years.
	All right.
	And you said November of 2024?
	Yes.
	So it's like been three months or so.
	Okay.
	And your longest relationship, four years.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Single probably for like two years now.
	I was engaged and then I wasn't.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Three years.
	Was that the engagement guy or no?
	No, I was actually married to that guy for three years.
	Oh, you were married?
	Yeah.
	You've been married just once, though?
	Just once.
	Okay.
	Engaged once.
	Okay.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	I think I did, but it was mutual towards the end.
	Mutual towards the end.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Huh.
	I don't know why it's not triggering.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I'll skip that.
	I'll get back to it.
	Metro Mad.
	I don't know why it's not working.
	And oh, orientation for everybody.
	I forgot to ask that.
	Straight by.
	Oh, I'm straight.
	I'm straight.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was, I don't know, maybe four years.
	And that was maybe two or two years ago.
	Yeah.
	Straight gay.
	Wait, did we watch that whole thing and there was no audio?
	That's what they said.
	Yeah.
	How did you not?
	Okay.
	I don't have the shadow one.
	Huh?
	Oh, yeah.
	Fuck.
	Okay, apparently the audio was not working.
	I don't know why.
	The whole time.
	So you were just vibing to nothing.
	It's a shame.
	That is very upsetting.
	Okay.
	Sorry, guys.
	Okay.
	Relationship status.
	Go ahead.
	No, you.
	I missed it.
	I wasn't paying attention.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for a couple years now.
	My longest relationship was three, four years.
	And that ended a couple years ago.
	Almost two, I think.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	We were married.
	I would say I initiated the divorce.
	Okay.
	And you were married for how long?
	Technically, I guess a year and some change.
	We lived together for nine months and then he deployed.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Why did you divorce him?
	There was some unfaithfulness and some other things that went on that I was not safe.
	How many times did you cheat on him?
	Oh, no, not on my end.
	Oh, my bad.
	I thought because you said that.
	Yeah, no.
	All right.
	While he was deployed?
	Some, some before, some after.
	Where was he deployed?
	He was deployed in, oh my gosh.
	Ayudid?
	Iraq?
	No, it's not so long ago.
	Whereabouts in the world is it?
	Outside of Turkey.
	In Turkey or outside of Turkey?
	In Syria?
	Next to in between Russia and Azerbaijan.
	It's Ayudid, I think, is the name of the location where he was in the basement.
	Birth control.
	i always like mix up the the letters it could have been was it the middle east or was it Yeah, yeah, it was the Middle East.
	Was it between Russia and Turkey?
	I think so.
	Wait, was it Georgia?
	Was it Operation Iraqi Freedom?
	No, he was, it was, uh, no.
	He was in the reserves.
	Was it Operation Enduring Freedom?
	No.
	Which one?
	Okay, alright.
	I don't know.
	He was in Afghanistan?
	No, no, no, no.
	He was close.
	Married to him and you didn't know about his military career?
	No, I do know about his military career.
	I know he was in the Air Force, and then he was in the reserve, so we only had to do the weekend a month, and then he went overseas for nine months.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Single.
	I've been seeing one person the same as the last time I was on.
	Okay.
	How long have you been seeing this person?
	On and off since like August, but it's been like consistent since like October.
	Okay.
	And longest relationship?
	Year and a half.
	All right.
	When did that end?
	End of 2023.
	Who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	Okay.
	Dark Avio, what about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I had two longest relationships, only two I've ever been in.
	First one was five years.
	Second one was four years.
	And no, I'm currently not seeing or talking to anyone.
	What about the photographer guy?
	Yeah, that one.
	I just recently cut that off.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Jake, what about you?
	Longest one was a year and a half.
	I'm currently dating to marry.
	All right.
	And are you single?
	If I told you, bro, that'd have to kill you.
	Okay.
	So you're, you're, what do I put?
	What do I write down, Jake?
	I gotta write something down.
	I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say currently.
	A lot of sidegos on the internet said that.
	I'll say saving himself for Jesus.
	Perfect.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I need to deal with some very problematic audio issues we're having.
	So we're gonna.
	Jake, do you have a question?
	Can you take over for like five minutes?
	So if you girls were at an interview, right?
	And there was a guy there, and he is, he's him, right?
	He's the one.
	But there's 50 other women and you have to go into this interview, this audition, and sell yourself to make yourself different from these 50 other women.
	What would you do?
	Me first.
	You're the first.
	I personally don't like that strategy at all because in any normal sense.
	So the hypothetical is that this is what the situation is.
	You have to sell yourself.
	And this guy is everything you've ever wanted.
	He's him.
	And you have to compete with these women.
	How would you sell yourself?
	Like the bachelor.
	Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
	That's what I would do.
	But in the hypothetical, you are going to do that.
	So if you had to, in the hypothetical, what would you say?
	I wouldn't.
	That's what I'm doing.
	No.
	Nothing to add?
	Okay, okay.
	I feel Natasha on that because.
	No, no, you have to have to engage with the hypotheticals.
	I'm just thinking of something, but it's like, I mean, I'm me.
	So, and if he's perfect for me, he would be mine.
	Okay.
	Next one.
	I'd probably try to go in with like a performance, singing a song, setting the vibe, because that's what it's all about, the vibe for me.
	So, yeah.
	So you think that the way that you would sell yourself is the vibe?
	You'd have the vibe?
	Yes.
	Like cute outfit, like nice song.
	But if I heard that, I'd probably think, okay, maybe the vibe's there, but like, who are you?
	What's special about you?
	I would say I'm really, really kind, sweet, and funny.
	I love being able to laugh with somebody and being very respectful overall.
	Okay.
	How about yourself?
	I would probably bring some Dominican food to seal the deal.
	But how would you sell yourself, though, besides the food?
	I think the food will do all the talking because it's going to be so good.
	He's going to be like, oh, I need this woman in my life because their food is good.
	Okay.
	Vagina.
	Vagina.
	Is that what they feel?
	I've seen some grandmas who cook a mean, mean dish.
	So the girls who have one go.
	Doesn't necessarily correlate.
	They grandma.
	I didn't try it.
	That's true.
	It's unfalsifiable.
	They are grandma for you.
	I probably come with like a full resume of everything that I would be able to give him or everything that I do or can do and then let him read over that.
	And then, yeah, I'm coming back.
	What would be on the resume?
	What would be some of the key points?
	I would list things like my beliefs, my core values, what I want in my future, and the things that I want to see in my husband.
	And then I would, you know, kind of list out how I communicate and how I communicate, resolve conflicts, all those things.
	And what are some of the beliefs and core values that you'd list?
	So I am a Christian.
	I believe I want.
	I would say that I am church, like I want to go to church.
	I read my Bible.
	I would want a family.
	I want someone who's loyal and trustworthy.
	And, well, I would be loyal and trustworthy as well.
	Other practical things would be like cooking, cleaning, taking care of the housework.
	And then also, you know, on the communication side, I would, you know, respect his space if he needed it.
	I would be sure to communicate if there's something on my end that I have an issue with.
	Not just like sulking around and not communicating that.
	Cool.
	All right.
	And yourself?
	I would agree that I think if they're like the right person for me, it would just happen.
	But if hypothetically I had to, I would speak about my accomplishments, like my goals long term in life, and definitely the importance of faith for me.
	And what do you mean by faith?
	I wouldn't necessarily call myself Christian because I also believe in like Buddha and obviously like spirituality.
	Do you believe in Buddha?
	As in you believe that he was a man that existed or something beyond that?
	His teachings were also just that he existed, but I also believe in Jesus and majority of the Bible.
	Buddha is a prophet, or what do you believe?
	Do you believe that Buddha was just a good guy?
	I believe that we're all from the same consciousness.
	So I think that Buddha is similar to Jesus in the sense that it was another prophet.
	So you don't believe that Jesus is God?
	I believe that Jesus and Buddha are God.
	So you believe that everyone's God?
	Yes.
	So you're like a Hindu.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It's like, see, like, for me in this situation, I'm a dominant.
	So I don't think I would ever try to try to impress a man in a way that I'm.
	What do you mean by you're a dominant?
	I'm a dom fim.
	Like, I like being in control.
	So, like, having the giving the in this scenario that you've given, it gives me saying that this man has the lot of the power, and it kind of turns me off by this scenario.
	So I would rather be the person in the room with 50 other men and they would have to compete for me.
	That's what I mean.
	Period, girl.
	Okay.
	So, what do you guys think would be the factors that he's can I go around again?
	Yeah.
	What do you think he would be looking for, Mr. Mr. Perfect?
	Like, Mr. Perfect for me?
	No, yeah.
	I mean, the ideal guy.
	He's, you know, six foot four.
	He's handsome.
	He's got a good family.
	He's got good values.
	Everything.
	What's he looking for?
	Like, high-value, I think, looks different to everybody, but to me, it's somebody who's very family-oriented, somebody who is honest and really considers you in their actions, which I think includes like not cheating on you, being considerate of how you will play into their life in the long term.
	I think somebody who considers you, that's like the highest form of life.
	No, no, no.
	What do you think he's looking for?
	I mean, the same thing.
	If we're compatible, you would have to be giving the same thing that they're giving.
	Not necessarily your perfect guy, but just the prototype of a perfect guy.
	What are the particular things that you think he'll be looking for?
	Like physical attributes?
	Everything.
	Consideration.
	I prefer a man who's bigger.
	I like a big hairy sky.
	You keep on saying that, but what you like?
	What do you think he's looking for?
	Like, personality-wise.
	What do you think he's looking for in terms of looks, in terms of values, in terms of what you can bring to his life?
	Somebody that would be like a nurturer, somebody that can bring him like a family life if he is in a position that is like more traditional.
	I think that that is what they would be looking for.
	I think it depends.
	Everybody's very different.
	Some people like traditional values, some people don't.
	Okay, next one.
	This is a guy who's really got his shit together.
	Like, what do you think?
	He's a busy guy, very successful.
	What's he going to be looking for?
	So he's a busy guy, or like, yeah, he's a busy guy, successful on his grind.
	He's handsome.
	He's got a lot of women chasing him.
	What's he going to be looking for?
	Probably someone understanding, because if you're busy, usually you don't have a lot of time to like, you know, like someone that's good at communicating.
	Because also, if you're busy, you need someone that's like, you have to be on the same page with your significant other.
	Maybe someone who's more serious, stable, something like that.
	I think probably somebody feminine and sweet and submissive kind of.
	Yeah, someone hot, you know, someone that's gonna understand them when they get home after a busy day.
	Yeah, if he's got 50 women in the room, he's probably gonna look for the most physically attractive along with the most feminine and the most submissive and the most respectful.
	I would say someone that would raise his children with faith, nurturer, stable, which I think is why I'm casually dating right now because I don't think that I'm that woman yet for the perfect guy.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	You want a guy who believes in Jesus, Buddha, and Hinduism, hey?
	I don't really care.
	I just want them to have faith in general.
	I don't care what you have.
	He wants you to kick him in the nuts or something.
	Huh?
	What do you think he wants?
	I honestly, I agree with all the women here that I do believe that genuine men, men, like a whole, all of them want a traditional woman, basically, that understand what men should be because they do have more of a mindset that men are the caregivers and then women are the ones that support them in a way.
	And for like, that's why I just like, I'm just not that.
	Yeah, I mean, the kind of guy you're...
	So you're saying that you like to project some sort of dominance on a man.
	Like, what kind of a dude would accept that?
	That's why it's, there's, I have, I have met men that are like that, but they do obviously, men do have that, you know, very masculine, where they try to overcome you.
	So where I've noticed in relationships or try to date that it becomes like a battle.
	Like it's not, it's kind of hard being in relationships with me because I do have that mindset.
	Yeah, so I think women like you, you just haven't quite realized why you do that yet.
	Yeah, and I think that's a good idea.
	The reason why I'd say that you do that is because it's a wall that you put up and to say that I want the most masculine girls.
	That's what a lot of people believe, that I have this wall up, or where women have this thing.
	It's in your nature.
	Every fiber of your being wants a man who's going to be a leader, masculine, protecting you, providing for you.
	So you don't essentially want to dominate a man.
	You want to it's a bad strategy, if I'll say so, but you're going to put up this front to say, I'm going to give you an attitude and you have to put me in my place.
	And eventually if you put me in my place, maybe I'll submit to you.
	No, like, I'm like, I'm willing.
	Like, I can be very submissive to a man that will understand that, like, there's boundaries for me as a Dom femme.
	Like, there is, like, I will totally submit to a man, but there's also where you have to be submissive to me as well.
	Like, it has to be like a very understanding arrangement that I would have with you.
	What sense does he have to be submissive to you?
	I would say that, like, in the point where it's not, he cannot be controlling in a way, because I know I wouldn't be controlling as a dominant person.
	I would just be like, when somebody listens, because I would listen to them, it has to be like a win-win type of situation.
	Like, I cannot go for men that think, oh, I'm the man.
	I can control you because this is how women should be.
	Can you think of any other situations in life where there are two leaders?
	Two leaders.
	I would say.
	Every team sport.
	In a team sport.
	Every team sport has multiple captains.
	It's in like London.
	Where's the principle?
	All of the NHL has multiple co-captains.
	Occasionally in team sports, you will get multiple captains, but there's still a hierarchy.
	So, I mean, that person is still the leader.
	And then at the above level, what about Queen Elizabeth?
	You've got the coach.
	Didn't she have a king?
	So there's not normally two coaches.
	Right?
	King consort.
	That's what I was thinking.
	Anyways, there's not normally two coaches, though, right?
	So you've got the team sport.
	There might be two captains, there might be a co-captain, but then above them is the coach.
	The coach calls the shots, right?
	I mean, in theory, multiple teams have several coaches.
	I mean, one of them's the one.
	One of them is the back coach, one of them is the defensive coach, whatever, whatever.
	But then there's the coach at the top who calls the shots, right?
	And it's the same with CEOs.
	It's the same with kings.
	You don't get two kings in a kingdom.
	So the reason why we have this is because human beings naturally order themselves into hierarchies.
	And it's the same with a relationship.
	If you want a relationship where you guys are both the boss, essentially, by the way, that just means that you're the boss.
	Because if you can tell a man when you're going to be submissive and when you're going to be not submissive, that means you're the boss.
	But yeah, it's just like, it's just like, I just can't, like, I just don't like the mindset that men have where they have to think that they have to be that way with women.
	And it's like, I don't know.
	I just, I don't like it.
	I might as well just be gay, honestly.
	I think if a man does it in the proper way, like respectfully, and makes you feel safe, then even when you are a super dominant woman, then you can allow yourself to feel submissive.
	Exactly.
	Be submissive.
	But in general, your personality is more dominant.
	That doesn't mean that you're now not a dominant person.
	You're just not dominant with that person.
	Yeah, and I just, I don't mean like being dominant by giving attitude or anything like that.
	I just, I just really?
	You don't give attitude?
	I'm a sassy.
	I'm a very sassy person.
	I'm a very sassy person, but it's also that I just like, I'm just in that realm.
	Like, I think like a man, I guess, in a way, but I just don't want to feel like I'm being triumphed over like men.
	I feel like they have to try to dominate me because that's what men do, basically.
	I want to have the word in a relationship as well.
	It's something that modern women all have to deal with, this idea that submission is oppression when it's not actually.
	I like to use the Mufasa reference.
	If you watch The Lion King, is Mufasa an oppressive leader?
	Everyone loves Mufasa.
	That he's the boss.
	Everyone listens to Mufasa.
	But he's a benevolent king.
	It's an archetype.
	You've got the, then you've got Scar, who's an evil king, and Mufasa, who's a benevolent king.
	Yeah.
	So if you find a Mufasa, you know.
	Maybe you wouldn't mind being a business.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that there is someone out there for me that has the understanding that they're okay with who I am as a woman and how that, not just because I can't be submissive, I definitely can in my relationships.
	I had to pull that role off because they were very dominant and I did it for a long time.
	And I just knew that wasn't me.
	Like it was really hard for me to be that submissive in a way.
	Like if part of me just felt like always being oppressed, pretending to be someone I'm not.
	Yeah, the problem is though, if you went into a relationship and you were like, look, I'm dominant.
	I want to dominate you.
	And he goes, okay, sweet.
	Step on my nuts.
	No, nothing.
	Whatever these guys want you to do to them.
	I'm submissive in the bedroom.
	That's for sure.
	They always are.
	Yeah.
	So if you, if you, if you wanted to go into that sort of relationship, then you would end up hating him and resenting him.
	It happens every single time.
	These women, they act like they're all feminist.
	They want to dominate a man.
	They want to say, I'm going to be the boss.
	And then they end up hating him because every fiber of their being wants him to lead them.
	Oh, that's crazy.
	Yeah, because I've had the two relationships I've always been in.
	They try to lead me and I hated them for it.
	Maybe they just want to be able to do it.
	It's just not my, it's just my, not my.
	Or maybe it's an attitude problem coming into it as well, though.
	Because if you come into it with the mindset of, I'm going to be the boss, but then secretly you want him to be the boss.
	Because if you're submissive in the bedroom, then that's the ultimate form of like physical submission.
	So there's obviously you're a submissive girl.
	I can be, yes.
	If you come into it with that sort of attitude, then there's going to be all sorts of problems.
	Have you tried coming into it with the attitude of bowing for him at the door, having his noodles ready?
	I like Asian men, so I would definitely do that for you.
	Really?
	Yes.
	What do you like about Asian men?
	Everything.
	I feel like you're trolling me.
	No, I love Asian men.
	I'm going to Korea for my birthday.
	Which part?
	I'm going to Seoul.
	North?
	No.
	Yeah, I'm going to Seoul and then I'm going to Japan.
	Are you going to have a t-shirt that says I love Asian men?
	I'm actually, I have a custom-made shirt that says who wants a green card.
	Are you one of those anime girls who likes animals?
	Oh, no, no, no.
	These women are not only tone police spots, but they clearly do not want no men.
	They want a simp beta liberal.
	Not only do these women not bring anything to a real men, they are clueless, brain dead.
	Well, Trump.
	That's great.
	Thank you.
	Trump.
	Pretty sure I just fixed it.
	Fucking 300 IQ.
	Fixing this shit.
	Okay, I'm going to get some of these going, hopefully.
	All right.
	Sorry for the delays, guys, on the TTSs.
	I'm not sure what happened there.
	Oh, it's still not working.
	That's lovely.
	Okay, I just have to read it.
	Sorry, Metro Matt.
	I see we went to the local mental hospital for panelists again.
	Thank you for muting that atrocious noise they call music.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Oh, no.
	I know.
	He just called your music atrocious.
	He didn't even hear it, and he just called it atrocious.
	Why would I dignify that with a response?
	Fair enough.
	All right, meet the Kaiser.
	What's up, Brian?
	Hope.
	Oh, give me a sec here.
	What's up, Brian?
	Hope everyone is good.
	Congrats to the Clippers Girl for finally hyping up something with fans.
	C4, haven't seen you since I made you in GTA Online.
	Oh, chair four.
	That's you.
	He made you.
	Have fun, all.
	Cheers and enjoy.
	Yo, Kaiser, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you so much.
	All right.
	Thank you, Kaiser.
	Let me see.
	Is this working?
	Nope, that's not working.
	Okay.
	I don't know what's going on.
	All right.
	We have Metro Matt again.
	Thank you, man.
	Al Udid is in Qatar and is a vacation compared to a real Dark Man.
	That is true.
	That is very true.
	So he's in the Air Force.
	He was in the Air Force.
	All right.
	Thank you, Metro Matt.
	Appreciate it.
	Yo, Cheeks with the 200 here in just a sec.
	I do apologize, guys.
	These are not coming through his TTS.
	Our audio scuffs, so I'm just going to have to read them.
	All right.
	And we're waiting on Cheeks here to come in while we're.
	It's about to fuck it, whatever.
	Shriva, the girl sitting beside Jake, is named Dark Labia Question Mark.
	Oh, my God.
	Shriva, thank you for that.
	We have Beaten Cheeks.
	These women are not only tone police thoughts, but they clearly do not want no man.
	They want a simp beta liberal.
	Not only do these women not bring anything to a real man, they are clueless.
	Brain.
	Wow.
	Okay, Beaten Cheeks.
	Good job.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	Do you guys want to respond to this accusation?
	This terrible accusation?
	Their name is Beat and Cheeks.
	That is his username.
	I love Simps.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, I do apologize.
	I don't know why the TTS is not coming through properly.
	I'm just, at least for the time being, unless something comes to mind on how to fix it, I'm just going to go ahead and read them instead.
	And I'll try to read them as soon as they come in.
	Do apologize on that.
	Okay, well, let's get into some of the pre-show notes unless you wanted to finish up on your thing.
	Okay, we got there.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	There was.
	Oh, we're not going to be able to do Reacts either until we get that sorted.
	Actually, I think the video thing.
	Here, Damien, go to the video.
	Remember, I told you how to fix it.
	Might as well do it now.
	well here just put it on twitch and then just go to video tab device put it on cq78 Oh, wait.
	I don't even know if that's going to be it.
	Okay, put it on.
	Okay, can you guys hear us now?
	Chat, can you let us know if you can hear us on the video tab?
	Put it back really quick.
	One in the chat if you guys can hear us on video tab now.
	Is it working?
	Chat, let me know.
	One in the chat if it's working on the video tab now.
	Looks like it is.
	Why don't we do our first React?
	Let's get that pulled up.
	the first i'm not sure the first react that i indicated it is yeah it's the tick tock one All right.
	Oh, my God.
	What?
	What?
	He keeps going?
	What?
	No.
	Holy shit.
	So the thing says, POV, you ghost a guy after two dates and get this message.
	And as you see, she's scrolling, and this guy sent her a novel of freaking paragraphs on paragraphs.
	So before I get my take on this, we're going to go around the panel.
	We're going to have you guys.
	Oh, chat, can you just one in the chat if you were hearing the audio from the clip?
	It was just some girls giggling or whatever.
	Your reaction to this, I mean, two dates, the ghosting, the like crate, like that huge wall of text.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, I do think ghosting is a bit immature.
	If you're giving somebody your time and they're expecting or hoping for another date, I think it's just more mature to address it and say that you're not interested.
	But in general, if I were to get that after two dates, I would be so icked out because it was not that deep.
	It could not possibly be that deep in two dates.
	So that on its own would be enough, not for a third date.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	Your reaction?
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	I probably wouldn't respond.
	And if I did, my response would probably be, I'm not reading all of this.
	Okay, sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's giving psychopath.
	So same, I wouldn't read it either.
	All right.
	Yeah, definitely projecting something that's in him, not what happened at two dates.
	Okay.
	It depends how good the first two dates were.
	Like, if they were really clicking and stuff, I would, that would make sense for her to ghost him.
	But I think you just shouldn't ghost people.
	Okay.
	I also think ghost seems emotionally immature.
	I've definitely been guilty of it.
	But I think my reaction in that position would probably be the same, like laughing about it with my friends, which is kind of fucked up.
	Oh, I would say, I don't know.
	I think Ghosting, yeah, no, absolutely not.
	I wouldn't do it.
	But the whole, I would kind of just be curious, so I wouldn't read it.
	I would actually call him and be like, yo, what is going on?
	Because I'll be curious, because especially if the messages were negative and he's calling her name, saying, Oh, you're ghosting me after two dates.
	I thought we had a good time.
	Unless he was like, Yo, like, what's happening?
	He wants an explanation, like, type of thing.
	Then, yeah, I wouldn't read all of that, no.
	But I would definitely give him a call if the first few sentences were polite and he just wanted to like respond to, like, what do you do wrong or anything like that?
	I would.
	Okay, Jake, any thoughts?
	Yeah, it's just a very interesting peek behind the veil of what happens if you simp and what happens if you send these long, stupid messages.
	Because guys think that girls will read it and that he's probably been tricked into thinking that, you know, girls, they like nice guys and they want to read this long message from him.
	But really, what they're going to do is they're going to show it to their friends and they're going to ridicule you.
	So that's why you shouldn't simp.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, I think ghosting is bad, but he's doing like sending a long message like that, even if he really liked the girl.
	That's way too extra.
	It's too, he's doing too much.
	Just take the L, move on.
	It sucks to get ghosted, but you just got to take the L and move on.
	I think my bigger criticism, though, like he's kind of in the wrong for sending, who knows what the content is of that?
	Maybe he was insulting her.
	Maybe he was like, I don't know.
	He's probably, whatever it was, it was bad.
	Even if he sent that long, crazy message, there's like, well, there's two things.
	She went and showed it to her friend group and they were like laughing at him.
	But not only that, they recorded it and then posted that on TikTok and it went viral.
	And I feel like that's too much.
	Whatever happened, I don't know.
	The guy already took an L. He's upset.
	Yeah, he sent you this like crazy long text, a little inappropriate, little, like, that's kind of weird.
	But man, now he's, it's, it's an even bigger L because they posted on social media.
	And I'm curious, like, it seems like women are more inclined to want to like resort to reputation destruction in the event of a breakup.
	Like, while some guys are going to put their, put a girl on blast publicly, women are way more likely and it's way more socially acceptable to put a dude on blast publicly.
	So I wonder why that is.
	Do you think it's because women are communicative more?
	Like we're designed to talk with each other and we're more socially more disposed to gossip.
	Yeah.
	I'd say.
	Yeah.
	Well, and also, like, the way in which men would handle conflicts, there would be like physical, like if two men have a conflict, there's an opportunity there for like a physical altercation.
	Women, while some women can be violent, physically violent, it's far less likely.
	And what women tend to do is they'll resort to reputation destruction.
	So instead of like confronting somebody physically, violently, no, I'm just going to like have a grudge for like multiple years and ruin their reputation.
	Yeah.
	Yes, the way they deal with things, I would say more.
	You seem to be making a face.
	Do you disagree?
	No, I was going to say, I do think that in the context of if your friends know you're dating somebody and that it was done and then he were to send a long message like that, it's natural to want to share that with the girls.
	I don't think, no, I was going to say, I don't think showing them the actual message and like making fun of it and laughing is natural.
	But if you know that your friend is dating someone and they're like, you know, I wasn't really feeling it and look at, he sent me this really long message is a little bit extra.
	I think that's normal.
	But like blasting him, showing the specific message and like laughing at it, I don't think that's kind.
	Yeah, but it's just to say that Brian's point is that generally men wouldn't definitely wouldn't do that to another man because we tend to regulate our relationships in the sense that if we cross a certain line, then there's going to be physical altercations or there's going to be physical implications for that.
	And we generally tend to have the same sort of rule with women as well because it's just how we're sort of wired.
	Whereas women don't actually have that boundary in terms of gossip and reputation destruction.
	So they'll cross those boundaries like we've just seen there.
	And it's just they're more likely to do it because they regulate their relationships in a way that doesn't have consequences like that.
	Yeah, I don't think there's the same consequences.
	I agree.
	I think it might have to do with women not being with women not being violent.
	So maybe it has something to do with like feeling a lack of power.
	And so they go for like an emotional hit more often.
	Not that it's okay.
	Because it's repressed.
	Yeah.
	And I also think that like I definitely have done this in my earlier years.
	But now would I say I would do this now?
	No.
	But I also think that young women, I think those girls were definitely really young in those that video.
	So obviously it's purely jokes.
	You know what I mean?
	They don't think of it, the outcome of it as you do when you're an adult.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	So yeah, the repercussions that it does to people's mindset and what it does on their livelihood, reputation, and everything.
	But I think when women grow, they kind of lean towards not resulting into that.
	You know what I mean?
	But I definitely did that in high school.
	But would I say I would do it now?
	Absolutely not.
	Very high school thing to do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you said, I think going back to what you said, Natasha, you said it's normal for women to like communicate those sorts of things, right?
	Yeah, I don't think like specifically blasting like what he said or showing the message.
	I don't think that's nice.
	But in general, I do think if like you know that I'm dating someone, then it would be natural to be like, he went a little bit cuckoo and sent me this really extra message.
	Something kind of related to that that I kind of take a problem with when it comes to dating is, and I mean, I don't think all women do this, but it seems pretty common.
	I guess going around the table, I'd like to know: do like, let's say you go on a date with a guy, you really like him.
	Maybe you guys hook up.
	You got your friend group of girls or whatever next time you see them, or maybe your group texts, whatever.
	Do you guys share details after you hook up with a dude?
	Like intimate details?
	Yeah, like personally, I don't know.
	Penis size.
	You've never shared penis size.
	You know?
	The same thing.
	Like when I was younger, I might have said something like as a joke, but I would never, like, at this point in my life, no, that's an intimate thing where somebody's at their most vulnerable.
	I think that's totally inappropriate, even like as a joke, that's disrespectful.
	Okay.
	What do you do?
	You share details?
	I don't share details because you share details.
	Nah, I don't.
	No, okay, so the reason why I don't share them.
	You shared them in your rap songs.
	I heard them.
	Lives.
	Yeah.
	Lives.
	Yeah.
	I'm talking about getting money in my songs.
	I heard some references.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	What do you hear?
	I don't know.
	I couldn't understand if I'm honest.
	But no, I don't think so.
	Well, not that.
	I know I don't share details like that, but it's because, unless maybe it was bad.
	And I was just like, oh, it was.
	Isn't that even worse?
	Yeah.
	That's the worst.
	I wasn't going to give the details on why it was bad.
	Like, oh, tell them if it's good, not if it's bad.
	No, I'm not going to tell them if it's good because then some people ain't really your friends like that.
	Why do they want to go try it?
	Then now I got to whip your ass and his.
	And then it's my friend's problem.
	And yeah, and then, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
	Well, if he's really good, then why don't you just tell him he was really bad?
	Well, because then you're going back to what I just said.
	They don't tell him it's bad, and then you just told me to tell him it's good.
	Well, we have a chat here really quick.
	Spicy Ween89.
	Sorry, our TTS is not working.
	The nickname Dark Labia equals spicy unhot.
	So own it.
	Darkavia's been so mad at me for weeks now because I'm the one that started that joke on the podcast.
	Is that you?
	Yeah, she literally said it.
	And I guess stop, dude, it's pink.
	I'm not going to call it.
	I'm not.
	Hold on.
	It's not dark.
	What's her?
	Doc Labia's meta.
	Yes, dark labias matter.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not going to call her it anymore because I feel like it's mean to make some like that's your name, you know, like it's equivalent to a dick-size joke.
	It's Darkavia.
	You stuck with it.
	It's a beautiful name.
	Thank you.
	I feel like the more upset you get, though, the more they're going to point it out.
	And I'm just going to keep saying it's pink.
	So.
	Okay, that's fine.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	Yeah, I don't really like talk about it, but like I'm still my boyfriend, so you know.
	Yeah, okay.
	Kind of bad.
	Sure.
	Wait, what was the question?
	Like, do you share, like, if you just, like, first time hooking up with a new guy?
	If it's really bad, I have to share it.
	Like, one time it was so small, I had to call my aunt.
	How can you show us?
	So, no, it was a micro penis.
	I have to take a picture.
	You called your auntie.
	You took a picture?
	I've never seen anything like it.
	I was in shock.
	I couldn't believe it.
	He was so tall.
	He was cold or something.
	No, the guy was very tall.
	How tall?
	Destiny over here.
	He was like 6'2.
	He was a tall guy.
	Did he consent to the picture?
	No, he didn't.
	That's illegal.
	But it was not online.
	It was just between me and my auntie.
	I said she looked like a music producer before.
	This could be Puff Daddy's.
	Puff Daddy's right hand game.
	No.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't do hookup culture.
	So I don't know.
	Okay, but I mean, you've like had sex with a guy.
	We didn't.
	Like when me and my sisters would talk, we didn't talk about that stuff.
	Okay.
	I won't share size.
	I feel like that's just fucked up.
	But definitely I'll share with my friends like details about it.
	The guy I'm currently seeing will make like sex tapes and he wants me to show my friends.
	But I am not worried about my friends like.
	I'm not worried about my friends wanting him because they have such different types.
	Like Darkavia likes Asian men and Mexicans.
	There's a tall white bro.
	And she hates white dudes.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	For me, I personally wouldn't because lies.
	No, I'm so for real.
	I'm so for real.
	I literally want, I wouldn't unless like, unless one of my friends, let's say I hooked up with someone and one of one of like associates, someone was like, hey, yo, I know you, you know, slept with him.
	I was like, if it's cool, if I sleep, like, you know, get with him, whatever.
	And I'm like, yeah, I mean, like, I don't care, but, you know, you got to give him a heads up, basically.
	That's what I would do if they're interested in the person I hooked up with.
	And then I get, I don't really care if they do it.
	But if it's someone that I've been taking seriously, no, absolutely not.
	That is, that is my business.
	She's telling the truth.
	Yeah.
	I don't know, man.
	I don't know how prevalent this is.
	Maybe it depends on.
	Well, obviously, it goes without saying it depends on the individual.
	But I would be pretty upset if I was dating a girl and her like close friend group knew like sexual details about me and I've never even met them.
	I'd be, I would be, I'd probably dump the chick.
	I'd be like, because you guys might think, oh, it's not that serious.
	I'd be like, this is a major breach of like something that's kind of private, intimate.
	When it comes to my personal relationships, very private.
	And it's like, you just don't have that level of respect where it's like, like, I would never, with my male friends, I would never go to them and be like, oh, yeah, this is, this is the circumference of her vaginal canal.
	I would never share that kind of details.
	I wouldn't show them photos if she sent me photos.
	I wouldn't share any of that.
	That's like for respect for her.
	And then our relationship would never share like any photos, any intimate details.
	You ever went to a destiny party?
	A what?
	A destiny party?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Okay.
	What if she let you try something new and you're like hyped about it and wanted to tell your friends?
	What do you mean, try something new?
	That's just the weirdest thing ever.
	What would you like to do?
	She went slap her, bro.
	Slap her?
	I don't know.
	I'm just you asked for an example.
	It's a normal Tuesday.
	I don't know.
	What if you walked in?
	But that's a good point, though.
	What if you walked into a house and she took you downstairs and she had like a dungeon with like BDSM and stuff?
	I wouldn't even share that.
	Really?
	I mean, it's a little, I don't know if I would date a girl.
	I can't say I wouldn't share that.
	Do you share intimate details?
	Did you wait?
	Yeah, should I just make that clear or wait?
	What do you mean?
	Like anything.
	Do you share anything?
	Okay, here, here, I'll walk you through a scenario.
	Hook up with a girl last night.
	This is just an exhibit.
	Not actually happened.
	Hook up with a girl last night.
	And then I'm hanging out with my friends the next day.
	They're like, oh, Brian, you went on a date with.
	They probably wouldn't even know I was on the date with girl, but whatever.
	Oh, you went on a date with that, whatever, that girl, whatever.
	How'd it go?
	I'd be like, oh, it's good.
	That's it.
	That's all they get.
	That's normally how it goes down with guys.
	We could have done crazy shit, son.
	We could have, you know.
	Go on for the fifth dimension.
	I do think that's probably sexy.
	Fifth dimension, crazy sex.
	It was good.
	That's it.
	They don't get details.
	They don't get anything.
	And all I want, you know, I'd like a little reciprocation on this from a woman.
	But didn't guys started that whole thing?
	Like, oh, yeah, you know, like talking about the girl.
	No, that's a girl.
	That's a locker room, barbershop.
	I don't think we're like sharing details.
	The conversation would be like, we could be talking about sex as a general concept, but we're not like, yeah, I fucked Becky and her pussy.
	Like, no.
	There might be like the conversation of, have you guys had sex?
	And you'd be like, yes or no, but it wouldn't be like, and then I did this.
	It's like, it's not really a conversation you have with your boys.
	But I think the girls, they get into the weeds.
	And to be fair, there's probably some guys that do talk like that.
	Low quality.
	I think it's younger people in general.
	Like when they're less respectful.
	When you guys were younger, did you?
	No.
	No.
	Never.
	I never did that.
	I'm not.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	When you're younger and when you're first exploring it and you're like, you know, with your other teenage friends, which you shouldn't be doing, but we live in a fallen world.
	But yeah, at that point, you're like, oh, yeah, like this happened.
	If it's like the first time doing something, tell the boys, you know.
	We have Shriva here.
	I saw Sexy Red's leaks and it wasn't pink either.
	And she said it's never pink.
	It was dark.
	I don't.
	If I had an OnlyFans dude, all y'all would be exposed because I'm telling the truth.
	For real.
	I want to play this.
	It's not.
	Oh, my, it's not working.
	That's fine.
	Shriva, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
	Ws in the chat for Shriva.
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	All right, let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	Audio still scoffed.
	I'll try to work it out.
	So let's start with Jillian.
	Jillian?
	Jill.
	Jill.
	Okay.
	You were married.
	You describe yourself as a conservative Christian.
	You subscribe to the belief that men and women have certain roles and that when they live in those roles, they are not only fulfilling their purpose, but also the happiest in those roles.
	You think dating should be taken more seriously than it is in today's age?
	You date to marry.
	Has that always been the case, or is this a new development?
	No, it's always been the case.
	Yeah.
	Always been the case.
	So you were married once.
	Date to marry.
	Okay.
	And so is your body count just one?
	No, it's two.
	Okay.
	Was that after?
	Was it a rebound?
	No.
	Rebound?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And then you said you think men should pursue women and then women should contribute to the relationship in their area of gifts and expertise.
	I think women are buying into a lie that they can have it all, the job, the guy, the kids.
	But they're actually hurting society by not having kids at all or waiting until way too late.
	Okay.
	How's that going for you, I guess?
	Yeah, so I would love to have kids and be married again.
	I think it's contributing to society.
	And, you know, if that, if marriage never presents itself again, because it's a very serious thing, I still hold it to the highest esteem, then I would love to foster and adopt and, you know, be a part of raising the next generation that way.
	Are you waiting?
	Do you wait until marriage when it comes to having sex?
	But what happened to like the so there's a verse in the Bible where it says, don't awaken love until it's time.
	And that is very true when it comes to being intimate with someone.
	I, my, first was my husband.
	And then after we divorced, there was a period of time where it was very hard to become celibate again.
	And so I kind of did like a little relapse.
	And it was kind of like a reality check to my beliefs and who I am and what marriage is and how I view men and just all that stuff was kind of coming crashing down.
	So wait, how soon after you got divorced did this other guy come into the picture?
	To be honest, I don't even know.
	It was probably not long after my marriage.
	My divorce process took a year, like almost a year.
	So it was a very separation then?
	Oh, years.
	Years.
	Okay.
	Yeah, because we separated nine months after we got married.
	Like we never lived again.
	So question.
	Yeah.
	How long after meeting guy number two, like you meet him, and then did you, like, was it a one-night stand?
	What are we talking here?
	Yeah.
	Well, no, it wasn't a one-night stand, but it was like a one-time thing and then it was done.
	Like we had a thing, I would call it a situationship.
	And then we that happened and then it was, that was it for me.
	I was like, I can't do this anymore.
	I'm sorry.
	Like these are my beliefs.
	I'm sure.
	This is where I stand and I can't do this.
	Wait, so you were hit.
	Were you dating him for a while?
	We were seeing each other, dating, sure.
	But so you meet, where did you meet him?
	Dating at him?
	No.
	Just in person?
	Okay.
	And then you meet him and then like first date, second date, third date?
	No, I don't.
	No, way later.
	Down the road.
	We were seeing each other maybe for a couple months.
	And then you guys have sex one time?
	That was it.
	And then you ended or he ended?
	I said, I'm so sorry.
	I cannot do this.
	This is not where I want to go down.
	This is not who I am.
	Done.
	Did you say you love each other?
	No.
	But it was like three months in.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But hold on.
	You had sex with him.
	So you hit it and quit it.
	We did.
	You hit it.
	This is a lot of information I don't really feel comfortable sharing.
	Okay.
	Was it sex bad?
	I wouldn't even say it was a full thing, I guess.
	Just a tip?
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	Again, details I don't really feel.
	These are details I don't really feel comfortable sharing.
	Did you, so you were like, wait.
	The penis entered and you're like, hold on.
	Not answering that.
	I don't not answering that.
	A couple strokes?
	I'm not answering that.
	Okay.
	Okay, that's it.
	That's a very extensive being.
	I really don't want to revisit that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But like, your future, like, what about, so the next guy, though, he's going to like marriage.
	He has to wait till marriage.
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	But I think.
	What if he's like, what the fuck?
	Like, this guy got to hit him.
	No, I've heard that argument from you.
	I think that's entirely valid, that argument.
	But that's his decision to make.
	But I'm like, did you like the guy before the sex?
	To be honest, I wasn't like a super fan of it.
	A super fan of him.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But then you're like, ah, dating this guy for three months.
	I don't really like him.
	I guess I can't.
	Yeah, no, it wasn't like that.
	And I don't want you to boil it down to just like that moment because there was a lot of emotions and healing that was happening.
	And so it was just a lot of like things that were coming to a head.
	And in that moment, I realized that's not who I want to be.
	And so that's not who I'm going to be.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	How did he take the breakup?
	I don't know.
	I think he was like a little disappointed.
	I did explain that like, I'm sorry, this is not who I am.
	He was probably more like used to hookup culture and things like that.
	I mean, you guys were three months in.
	I mean, that's.
	I mean, we didn't like talk.
	Like, there's three months into a relationship, but then there's three months into just like.
	Well, how many times, how many dates had you been on?
	I don't know.
	Over 10?
	Probably, yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, all right.
	Damn, bro.
	Because it's like one thing if, you know, maybe you've been on a couple dates with a girl and you hook up.
	Whatever reason, she doesn't, you know, she's not feeling it.
	Then like three months in, you smash, you have sex once.
	Yeah, and these are not details that I want to focus on.
	And I don't think it's respectful to me or like that man that happened.
	So I really don't want to focus on that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, sure.
	Let's see the rest of your notes here.
	You said, okay, men should pursue women.
	Yeah, we talked about that.
	While you do own and run a business, your goal in life is to be married and be a mom.
	Your business is set up that when you meet that person, settle down, the business takes a back seat.
	You want to be the primary caregiver and educator for your children.
	So homeschool.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You also think women need to be submissive and to pick a guy that's worthy of being submitted to and then let him take the lead in the relationship.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Guy that's worthy of being submitted to.
	I think that's valid, but then Andrew, I feel like Andrew has qualms with this because he'll be like, well, who are you to make the determination what is or is not a leadership, but I don't know if I fully agree with it.
	I mean, like, obviously it has to be, you're not going to just date anybody.
	Like, it has to be the right guy for you.
	But I don't know.
	Go ahead.
	You were going to say.
	When it comes to a man being worthy to submit it to is someone who shares your values and who is honest and kind and has your best interests at heart.
	So even when you don't agree with him, at the end of the day, he has the final say because you trust that he is making the best decision for you guys.
	So who here for the whole panel?
	She says, look, you might have disagreements, and you adhere more to a traditional relationship dynamic.
	If you have a disagreement, somebody has to be the tiebreaker.
	Somebody has to make the final determination.
	And she says that that should be the man.
	Do you agree or disagree with this?
	In any sense, or like with kids?
	Everything.
	He gets final say.
	If you guys just can't come to an agreement, he gets final say.
	Are you for it?
	In an ideal world, yeah.
	I haven't met a man that I feel obligated or interested in doing that for, but I would love to, for sure.
	Okay.
	No, because I feel like it's circumstantial.
	Like if under certain circumstances, yes, he can be the one to have the final word and stuff, especially if he's more educated or experienced on the matter, you know.
	But if it's something like we have kids and you're telling me what to do with our daughter who's going through like her period or something that you've never dealt with, then obviously, no, I'm going to have the final say-so on, you know.
	Do you think that he would care about having the final say on something like that?
	Maybe.
	Because when you say, when you're talking about authority and leadership, generally, if you're the CEO of a company, you defer roles to people.
	You're not wearing every single hat.
	So with something like that, that would just be an obvious thing that it's your thing to say about how to deal with a period.
	Well, sometimes men do feel entitled to that, especially when it's their children.
	I'll give like an example.
	T.I., if you guys know the rapper T.I., he was ridiculed because he went to the gynecologist with one of his daughters and wanted to know if she was still a virgin or something like that.
	So, and then like in that aspect, do you have a say-so as a mother?
	Well, that's a different thing if he wants to know if his daughter's still a virgin, as opposed to telling her how to handle a period.
	But I mean, it's still the, it's kind of similar in a sense.
	Well, no, a father definitely has like has a say in whether or not he's in his daughter's chastity and instilling those values in her for sure.
	Yeah, no, for sure.
	But I think it's a way to go about it.
	Like, you could talk to your kids or things like that, like to just go to the gynecologist with her, especially like, I don't think she was like under 18 anymore.
	I think she was over 18 by that time.
	But besides the point, like, I don't care either way, but it's like, you know, some things you guys just don't know about and you shouldn't have the final say-so.
	Like, even like with the laws about women's bodies and stuff like that, like abortion laws, the plan B pill, things like that, like it's a man who got the final say-so on that, not a woman.
	So you're of the opinion that a man shouldn't have any say in whether a woman can have an abortion?
	I never said any say, but I don't think they should have the final say on that.
	Over whether a woman can have an abortion?
	Yeah.
	Like, yeah, that's just another thing.
	You should decide.
	I think it should be like a dual agreement, especially if you're in a relationship.
	So if the man says no, then you can't.
	Well, I wouldn't say you can't.
	So then, because you're saying that it has to be two people making the decision.
	So if it has to be two people and he says no, then you can't.
	No, I said that I don't agree with that.
	Okay, so then if you say, so then you decide, is what you're saying.
	No, I don't say that I decide, but he was saying that in every situation, if you have a bad person.
	But we're talking specifically about the abortion situation.
	So if there's a baby hit in the stomach and he says it's a human being at that point.
	If then he says no and you say yes, who's right?
	Me personally, I don't really feel like I would return to sender.
	So, I would agree with him if he said no, but I do feel like you would agree with him?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so he gets to decide.
	Well, yeah, but this is the problem that keeps coming up, though.
	I don't think he gets to decide.
	Two people can't make that sort of decision.
	Well, yeah, you're right.
	But that's, I think, what he was saying is like, if you had to let the man make a decision for you or whatever, are you going to give him that okay to make the final decision?
	I said no.
	Lots of faces coming over here.
	I want to hear what you have to say.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I cannot control my face.
	A man can choose to leave a pregnancy and have nothing to do about it.
	A woman leaving a pregnancy, that become mean a group decision is insane to me.
	It's her body, it's her choice.
	She's the one that's carrying it to term or not.
	If a man can leave a viable pregnancy because of his desire to leave a pregnancy, then a woman should be able to do the same.
	Okay, so men should definitely not be entitled to pay any child support then.
	I don't think that's the same argument at all.
	Wait, if it's her decision to kill the baby, then it's not a baby.
	What is it then?
	It's an embryo at that point.
	And when does life begin?
	After four weeks.
	Isn't that right?
	No, no.
	When does life begin?
	It depends where you follow that spectrum.
	Yeah.
	It's a spectrum?
	What's the spectrum?
	Explain it to me.
	So an embryo, a zygote, is very different in terms of a baby.
	When you can hear a heartbeat.
	And an adult is different to a baby.
	So when does life start?
	That's the question.
	It's the cutoff of when you can have an abortion when you can hear the heartbeat.
	Okay, so whether or not you think abortion should be or should not be is a separate argument, but I'm saying if a man can leave a pregnancy, a woman should be able to be a burden.
	Just to clarify, your position is that life begins when you can hear a heartbeat.
	Yeah.
	So you should not be able to have an abortion after the heartbeat.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	100% completely illegal, every state, every part of the world to have a heartbeat.
	Well, okay.
	So I think that regardless of if it's legal or illegal, people are going to do it.
	They've been doing it since the beginning of time.
	Legalizing it just allows it to be done safer.
	If I personally got pregnant, at any point, I could not have an abortion.
	So you think that it's more about the fact that they can safely kill that baby.
	It's not a baby.
	You just said it starts at heartbeat.
	That's what you said.
	I'm saying you can have an abortion up to the point where you can hear a heartbeat.
	Okay, so then after that, you can't have an abortion.
	Am I correct?
	Legally or like emotionally?
	In your world, after heartbeat, you can't have an abortion.
	True?
	I wouldn't.
	No, no, I'm saying, should it be illegal?
	My decision is not their decision.
	I'm saying, should it be illegal?
	I'm not talking about your specific point of view.
	I'm talking about in terms of whether it should be illegal.
	At heartbeat, do you think it should be completely illegal?
	I do, yeah.
	Okay.
	And what is the determinist?
	Like, how did you determine that heartbeat is when life begins?
	Because when it's an embryo or a petri dish baby or however, you fertilize that egg, it's still an egg.
	It's still an embryo that is still something that is in a person.
	If we had a scientist here, a biologist, who was an expert in this field, the world's foremost expert, what do you think they would tell you about when life begins?
	I think that besides the fact that a scientist might say that, science is so devalued in society now because men make the decision based on their emotion and not based on that.
	Men make the decision based on their emotion?
	Do you think that women make this decision based on their emotion?
	I think if it's something that is inside you that you are going to have to carry to term, that is a you decision.
	It's your decision.
	I didn't ask that.
	I asked, do you think the women make the decision based on emotion?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay, well then it equalizes it.
	But can I tell you what the biologist would tell you if they were sitting right here?
	You sure can.
	They would tell you that life begins at conception.
	Sure.
	Yeah, it's when the egg is fertilized, when the DNA is created.
	Right.
	But you're subjectively going against that.
	So you don't agree with the scientific.
	I don't agree that there are so many instances where a woman should not have to carry that to term.
	There are instances of things that we probably shouldn't talk about on here, but you should not.
	Even in that instance, what if it's after the heartbeat that they want to get rid of the child?
	I don't think a woman should have to deal with that emotional baggage.
	So you think that they should be able to kill the child?
	It's not a child.
	Wait, what about this, though?
	Okay.
	No, what about this?
	What if pro-lifers are actually willing to go ahead and grant that in the instances that you were going to mention, SA, incest, so forth, they're like, you know what?
	That's fine.
	But all the other ones where it's just like, I'm not ready, not financially capable, just don't want it, don't want to birth a child, they have to continue with the pregnancy.
	Are you fine with that?
	Like personally or legally?
	What do you mean?
	Like I personally, if I were to get pregnant in that scenario, I could not get an abortion emotionally, but I don't think that my choice should be for the abortion in those circumstances.
	Okay, but legally, you think like other women should?
	I think in general, we should be pro-choice because it's a woman's body to do with what she wants.
	But what if she wants to do with her body the baby after six months?
	And you're saying that the man doesn't want to, or just in general, that she wants to be a business?
	In general, everybody wants to.
	Everybody's super stoked about it.
	Yes, we're going to do it six months.
	Yeah, it's her body.
	She should be able to do it.
	You know.
	Okay, so then it's not about whether it's her body.
	So what's the actual determining factor?
	Which I said several times, the heartbeat.
	Okay, but then, but what if they're R-worded, though?
	What if what?
	What if they're R-worded and then it's at six weeks?
	Just a week after the heartbeat is heard, but the woman was R-worded.
	Yeah?
	She was graped.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And she wants to get rid of it.
	Should she be able to?
	Yeah.
	So you're arguing for murder.
	And what?
	You're arguing for murder.
	I think in instances that we're not talking about, I don't think a woman should ever have to take that to term because that's emotional.
	So you're arguing for murder.
	So if you say that it's a life when the heartbeat starts and you're arguing to take that life after the heartbeat starts, you're arguing for murder.
	Yes, because they also took something from her.
	That was not her decision.
	So that then becomes her choice.
	Is it emotional baggage to carry the child or to raise the child?
	Both.
	Because I don't think that's fair to the child either because it wasn't their fault.
	How is it emotional baggage if that's what we're designed to do?
	Is we're designed to carry it?
	You're not designed to carry your poster.
	Do you know that 100%?
	Do you know that 100% of babies that are given up at the hospital get adopted?
	I don't think that's a true fact.
	100% of babies who are given up for adoption are adopted.
	There's a massive, massive win.
	100%.
	There's a massive winner.
	But there's a lot of people who are not.
	If it was possible to have 100% more, they would also get adopted.
	But they have a lot of postpartum and that's true.
	What's your thousands of children in the foster system?
	That's not a true stat at all.
	I didn't say foster system.
	I said babies that get adopted from birth from the hospital, 100% of them get adopted.
	The reason why there are thousands of children in the foster system is because when they get older, it gets harder and harder to adopt them as they get older.
	But from a baby, they get snapped up straight away.
	I have a couple questions.
	I'd love to see that stuff.
	Question.
	If pregnancy only lasted one day, like you get pregnant, and then next 24 hours later, you're popping out of the kid, would you be in favor of abortion?
	Personally, no.
	I'm not in favor of abortion in general.
	Oh.
	But you're pro-choice, right?
	I am.
	But I'm saying, me personally, no, I would not agree with an abortion.
	But like, okay, but so for other women, if abortion only lasted 24 hours, would you be in favor of allowing women choice in that scenario?
	I still think it's a woman's choice what she does with her body.
	Okay.
	It's just like, I know it's a totally hypothetical scenario if like pregnancy lasts one day.
	The pregnancy length doesn't determine that for me.
	Okay.
	Well, just curious then, like, so let's say 24 hours before a woman would otherwise give birth to a healthy baby, would you be fine with abortion then?
	No, of course not.
	I said several times after the heartbeat.
	I mean, then after that, you said that if they had been graped and then was it a week after?
	In the instance of grape, absolutely never do I think a woman should have to be forced to do that.
	Right.
	What about if it was a week after and she was having really, really bad depression and like financial issues?
	Life was in complete chaos.
	And she was like, I just want to get.
	I still think it's a woman's choice.
	Okay, so then you have no standard then.
	You've just contradicted yourself so many times.
	I have not.
	My stance.
	No, I have not contradicted myself.
	You said it's five weeks, it becomes a life.
	You said that it should be illegal after that.
	You actually said that before.
	And then I've given you a half-blooded.
	And I've given you multiple situations.
	I don't have any abortion ever.
	But I don't think it's my choice to make that determining factor for anybody else.
	Okay, so then what Brian's just said before, if she wants to abort it, like when she, when it's about to be born, then you have no problem with that because it's her choice.
	I don't.
	Okay.
	I've said the same thing several times.
	I think it's like her parents.
	What are you talking about?
	Like, you personally wouldn't, but we're trying to get at, okay, well, like, should she be?
	Worldview, like, should women be able to have an abortion like an hour before they would otherwise give birth?
	Well, that's not legal or no, but it is.
	Who does it?
	It's not.
	In some states, it is.
	They're not going into labor and they're going, excuse me, I'd actually like an abortion in the world.
	You can laugh about it, but it has happened many, many times, actually.
	They would never allow that.
	That's absolutely not legal.
	Yeah, they do.
	It's got to be pretty embarrassing when you find out an hour before they're going into post-birth abortions.
	Yes, if you found out that was true.
	But would you be in favor of women having the choice to do that?
	In a normal situation or in a grape situation?
	Normal.
	No.
	Okay, so they should be legally prevented from having an abortion a day before they would otherwise give birth.
	I think so, yeah.
	And what about three months before?
	What about at six months?
	Should the police come in and say no?
	Yeah.
	Your argument is actually very, very inconsistent because you're saying at one point that women shouldn't be able to do it after five weeks.
	It should be illegal.
	You've said actually very different things many different times.
	So you said it.
	You can make faces all you want, or you can just engage with the logical argument if you'd like to as well.
	But you said at five weeks, it should be illegal.
	We can run back the tape.
	You said that before.
	And then after that, you said that it should be a woman's choice.
	I still think in general it should be a woman's choice.
	There's situations of essay, there's situations of grape.
	So then you don't, the heartbeat thing isn't your position.
	Can I add something?
	Okay, cool.
	I think that it's more like after five weeks that the heartbeat is formed in her state that like before that, like from that, when it's being, when it was a baby, and then from week five, that from that standpoint is where it should be legal for her, sorry, a woman to have a choice to have an abortion.
	Wait, post-five weeks or pre-five weeks?
	Like before five weeks, isn't that the right thing?
	Just miss one period and think that it's late at five weeks.
	Yeah.
	You can't get away until seven.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what to do.
	Because I know four weeks.
	My sister did not find out she's pregnant until she's five months.
	So I think in the case of grape, I think it doesn't matter.
	I don't think the time period should know because I think especially if it's like a 12-year-old little girl, how the f are they supposed to know?
	That's what I'm saying.
	What about post-birth then?
	Like just after they're born?
	It was a victim of.
	No.
	What about a day before?
	Yeah.
	They should be able to?
	In my opinion, yeah.
	Okay, so you're also arguing for murder.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I could say that.
	Would you say it in any circumstance?
	Like, because you got grape, huh?
	With grape, sorry.
	Okay.
	And so, but like, what if she's just not ready a day before birth?
	Are you fine with that?
	No.
	Oh, what?
	Okay.
	I guess there's some differentiation there.
	Question for the panel going around the table.
	Would you rather have a democracy or access to abortions?
	Me again first?
	Yeah, we're going around.
	Into the mic.
	Democracy.
	Okay, can you say the second part again?
	Sorry.
	Just try to pay attention.
	Would you rather have a democracy or access to abortions?
	I don't know.
	And democracy.
	Democracy.
	Access to abortion.
	Democracy.
	Democracy.
	Access to abortion.
	So, like, Trump just becomes authoritarian and it's like he becomes king.
	He already is.
	He is.
	He's already doing it.
	No, I mean, no.
	How so?
	No.
	How's he an authoritarian?
	What I'm saying is, he's like, okay, there's not going to be elections anymore.
	I've seized control of the government and now it's going to be like passed down like through my firstborn son.
	And that's going to be the form of government.
	But you get to keep access to abortion.
	Is that you still pick access to abortion?
	I think that the Soviets did something very small.
	He already is like pointing him out.
	It's going to go down.
	Can't become president until he's like 35.
	Uh-oh.
	I'm pretty sure.
	And he's like, what, 18, 19?
	18, 19, 19.
	It'll be a little bit different.
	A couple of years ago.
	Like two decades or something.
	And you, wait, Darkavi, you picked abortion over democracy?
	Yeah, because I don't care.
	About government.
	Are you an anarchist or something?
	Yeah, no, I just don't care.
	Like, I'm just going to be living.
	You just want abortion?
	Like, I just like.
	Just give me abortion.
	Yeah, because I don't know what happened.
	I can't predict the future, you know?
	Like, I just want the, I want the option on the table, you know what I mean?
	So, like, and I don't, like, I don't read the news about Trump and stuff like that.
	I'm like, I don't know.
	Did you vote?
	Did you vote?
	No, I've never voted.
	How about this?
	How about this?
	Free college or free abortions?
	Free college.
	Yeah, free college.
	Free college.
	Free abortion.
	How many have you had?
	Yeah, how many abortions have you had?
	No, and I'm laughing because I was forced to have an abortion and ruin my life.
	Like, mentally, emotionally, I shave my head.
	Now people think I'm a lesbian.
	Guys are afraid of me.
	This is new.
	No, no, this was 10 years ago.
	And it fucked me up.
	It grows slowly.
	Yeah, I was in a room for 10 years.
	No, this was recently because I catch a guy getting pegged.
	That's a different story.
	Can I say that again?
	Yeah, and I got traumatized.
	I'm sorry.
	Do you pegged him?
	No, I catched him.
	Like, this other girl was doing it.
	And I was like, oh, my God.
	I'm sorry.
	That's precise.
	Yeah.
	So I shouldn't.
	We'll get into the pegging thing later.
	Oh, pre-college.
	Free college or free abortion?
	Free abortions.
	You could be successful without college.
	And abortions.
	I would say pre-college.
	You would have more doctors.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	And then final thing on this.
	We're not going to linger on the conversation too long.
	What do you think about deadbeat dads?
	Kill them.
	Hold on.
	One at a time.
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Like, in general, what their effect is?
	Yeah, like, I mean, so basically a deadbeat dad would be a guy who doesn't want to be involved in the child's life, doesn't want to financially support the child.
	Your thoughts?
	Like, is this wrong?
	Well, of course.
	Yeah, I think it takes two functional parents in the most ideal sense to raise a family.
	And I think that that happens more often than deadbeat moms.
	Men walk out on families a lot more often than women do.
	And I do think that as much as women without healthy father figures like to think that that's not a big issue, I think it is.
	And it affects your relationship.
	Yeah, you said men walk out more on their families.
	Women initiate 80% of divorces and they destroy their families.
	So, I mean, I'm a little confused by where you came to this menu.
	Do you hear a lot of people talking about mommy issues as opposed to people talking about daddy issues?
	Daddy issues is a lot bigger of an issue that people talk about.
	Yeah, but if the woman initiates the divorce and prevents an otherwise willing father access to their children, then this would indicate this wouldn't be the fault of the father necessarily.
	In that one instance, I think in a lot of instances it is the man.
	Just because a woman initiates the divorce doesn't mean that the woman is initiating the conflict.
	Well, I'd be prepared to go ahead and grant that.
	Most divorces, the reason is for it.
	It's just, I'm just not happy.
	Irreconcilable differences.
	Yeah, I'm both happy.
	Financial issues.
	But for women, it's just like, I'm just vaguely unhappy.
	There's no abuse.
	There's no abuse.
	There's no anything bad happening.
	He's not hitting the woman.
	She's just, want new dick.
	I think there's no reported abuse.
	And also, I think you're not taking into consideration premarital pregnancies.
	Yeah, when there's not reported abuse, I can just make the same claim.
	Well, 100% of men are abused, but it's not reported.
	So we can't do any sort of analysis.
	Men are reported to report it as well.
	And yes, Jake raises an excellent argument.
	In the event of actual abuse, men are more likely than women to not report it.
	I agree.
	Are you taking into consideration premarital pregnancies, though?
	Because I think in that situation, it's definitely men walking out more.
	I agree with that.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that there's more men walking out or more women having abortions?
	Now it's more men walking out more.
	I think that it would definitely be because you get about a million a year in America.
	I don't think there's a million men a year walking out on pregnancy.
	Yeah, but if people, if we would have that rate would be a lot different if we weren't having abortions.
	So I think that if the nuclear family was intact and we had any morals in our society, then there definitely would be less of that.
	I was going to exactly say that, that I think that the nuclear family doesn't really exist as much as it did before.
	And so the family structure is very different.
	And most households aren't a two-parent healthy household to begin with.
	Yeah.
	Your thought on deadbeat damned?
	They suck.
	They suck.
	Is there more?
	No, that's fine.
	We said.
	Yeah.
	It's whack to do that.
	Whack.
	Ruining society.
	Ruining society.
	I don't know.
	I think there's probably more to the situation that the reason why they're maybe out of their kids' lives.
	Sure.
	I was totally kidding about Kill them.
	I think you can still make a beautiful child with a deadbeat dad and for them to be not involved at all.
	But I do think there needs to be more percussions and laws around child support because I think it's so easy to get away with not paying it.
	No, it's not.
	My niece's dad didn't pay the first 10 years.
	I'm 23 and my dad has never paid a dime.
	So two people.
	You guys can say that, but there's a robust legal system, and then it can also be done civilly too.
	So they can go to the court or they can go to the, there's a specific government agency.
	It's evading me exactly, but it's like child services or something.
	So you cannot go to them or you can go to court.
	But that isn't immediate.
	You have to go through so much in the court system to even get to that point.
	Yes, you do.
	Oh, you don't.
	There's two, four, seven.
	None of us have children.
	How many here in there?
	Who has kids?
	Who here has attempted to get child support from anyone?
	We were the children that needed to be supported.
	There's three out of seven.
	That's half of your table.
	That needed child support.
	That didn't get it.
	That didn't get it?
	Yeah.
	Did your parents?
	Yeah, my mom went through the court system.
	It took her about like three years.
	And it was for me and my twin sister.
	Okay.
	My parents were in the middle of the day.
	And so what was what?
	Tell us exactly what happened in the court system.
	I know I was when it happened, I was really young, but like, yeah, I think that's like the whole application, and then they have to find out where they live or some stuff like that.
	And they have to get their current address.
	Especially it's a lot harder when the parent, when the person that left, woman or dad, whatever, it's also harder when they live in a different state and getting a hold of them and such and all that.
	So like, I feel like that's how my dad got away with it because he moved around a lot.
	Okay, well, it was a similar circumstance.
	He moved to New Mexico and they weren't able to track him down until a year ago when he moved back to Arizona and got a job that he was paying taxes on.
	So they started taking it out of the paycheck.
	A job that's not like easily traceable is harder to find.
	My dad, the same thing.
	My parents had like a scholarly two court appearance custody battle over me.
	So that takes years.
	Oh, there was an ongoing custody.
	He wanted to get custody?
	He wanted partial custody, but he didn't have to.
	And your mom wanted him.
	Do you have no custody?
	No.
	My mom wanted to give him partial custody, but she wanted him to have evidence of a stable job or a stable living situation.
	Otherwise, he would have no custody?
	Or she, no, she didn't want him to have no custody.
	She wanted him to have monitored visitation so that I wasn't in a situation that was unsafe.
	Was he an unsafe man?
	Wait, who was the breadwinner?
	Who earned more?
	My mom.
	So, in what scenario, if custody was going to be split, would the person who's earning less money pay child support to the parent who's making more money?
	Did your mom pay child support to him so that you weren't with him?
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	You weren't with him because she wanted to withhold custody because he wasn't financially capable, even though she was the breadwinner and she could have been paying him child support so that in the same way that a lot of women face this scenario where they don't have financial resources and they seek the man to bolster their own resources so that they can raise the child.
	Your mother ought to have been paying child support to your father so that he did have that safe home and have the resources to raise you.
	As the breadwinner, that would have been justified.
	Not with an unsafe man, absolutely not.
	Well, now you're adding another layer to it.
	No, but that's what I said to begin with.
	Okay, so he was physically abusive.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, that goes beyond that.
	What she had wanted was not no visit or not, no custody.
	She just wanted him to have a safe area because he didn't have a home that was stable and she didn't want me to be in an unsafe area.
	He lived in a different state once they got divorced.
	And so she wasn't going to just send me at four years old to a different state to go visit him with no parameters to make it a safe situation for her child.
	How long were they married for?
	Before me or like in general?
	Yeah, before you?
	Two years before me and then a year or two years.
	I was two when the divorce finalized.
	They separated when I was one and a half.
	When did the physical violence start?
	Immediately.
	When you like I was a year and a half.
	It started after you were born?
	With me, the physical violence with me.
	Do you remember any of this?
	Yes, of course.
	I mean, when you were one or two years old?
	No, I remembered the court situation and all of the custody things because that happened.
	Wait, did you remember the court situation or this violence?
	No, the court situation.
	You said you remembered the violence.
	Okay, then I misspoke.
	I said the court situation.
	They went through a very long custody battle after they filed for divorce to get custody of me.
	My mom wanted to have me in a safe area so that I still had a relationship with my dad, but that I wasn't unsafe.
	And so, what was she asserting?
	What was she asserting about his conduct?
	Was he striking her?
	No, it was me.
	I just said that.
	He was hitting you.
	I don't think we need to go in the specifics of it.
	It was a physical altercation, and it was with me.
	Like he was hitting you.
	I just said twice.
	We don't have to get into that.
	I don't need, but it was violence, is what you're saying.
	Yes.
	So, if you have a two-year-old that that is happening to, would you want them in that unsafe situation?
	Look, I don't know the details of it.
	What I do know that is very common in custody disputes, and this is more so something that women do, is they will manufacture either claim that the male parent is either physically things showing and there's photos, then obviously not.
	Maybe that's the case.
	It is true.
	I do have friends that the man, you know, he goes through custody battles all the time because his ex-wife is, you know, saying things that happen to him.
	I've seen it a million times as well.
	But it doesn't mean that all of them.
	I'm going to say that.
	I'm just saying it does, it does happen.
	Was he ever physically violent towards your mom?
	Look, if you don't want to talk about it, I understand.
	It does seem uncharacteristic, though, for physical violence to be directed at a child, but not a spouse.
	I don't know the details.
	A lot of people in a custody dispute say things.
	This was absolutely not a fabricated thing, if that's what you're trying to insinuate.
	Well, there's no way for us to know, but yeah.
	Well, I mean, there is a way for us to know because there's documentation and photographs and doctors' testimony.
	So, absolutely, there is a way to know.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's I mean, I'll take your word for it.
	Then, your father was a sick individual if he was physically violent with a baby.
	And if that is the case, if there is actually stone gold evidence for it, then there should not be any custody.
	Yeah, I don't know why.
	I don't know why.
	I don't know why your mom would either.
	That's why my mom had said that she wanted me to know he existed, but she didn't want it to be in a situation where I was ever alone with him, that I could have monitored visitations with an agency.
	Was there a police report?
	Yeah, there's a police.
	Okay, was he arrested?
	Was there a prosecution?
	Yes, there was a prosecution.
	Okay, all right then.
	Okay, um, good talk.
	That guy's abortion, child abuse.
	We're really hitting all the hot button issues, huh?
	We have a couple chats here that came in.
	I'm gonna get to those.
	Apologies for the delays, guys.
	And I have to say $100.
	It's good to know women are yet still more concerned about ridding themselves of babies instead of taking responsibility.
	Triposing your legs, girls.
	No one's gonna be able to do that.
	Good to have the whatever pot back, Brian.
	She has made very negative opinions towards deadbeat dads.
	But I mean, if you were to ask a deadbeat dad, which is a spin on like a man whose circumstances might not be ideal financially, what we mean by that, though, because when you say deadbeat dad, I tend to think somebody who's intentionally not wanting to be in the child's life, not somebody who was pushed out by the mother or somebody who's just run on full-on hardship financially or somebody who just doesn't earn much.
	Well, I think defining our terms is important here.
	I mean, it's probably a bit of an umbrella term that could cover some of those things or all of those things.
	I think I'm one of those guys who's got like multiple different sort of women that he's intentionally sort of like not being there for.
	Like, you know, you see this a lot in the black community with like the single mother right now.
	Cancel, bro.
	Oh, that's true.
	It's a massive single mother.
	It's like 75%.
	But I don't think that women would intentionally push out a man so they could be a single mother.
	No, one woman.
	Hold on.
	Women push away.
	All the time.
	All the time.
	Yes, but like children, just in relationships.
	But I don't think that they intentionally mean like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be a single mom now.
	Yeah.
	Like, no.
	No one wants to be a single mom.
	No one wants to be a single mom.
	If a woman has a vindictive streak about her and she sees a way to get back at the man, say he went and like was sleeping with a younger girl, for example, and she sees a way of getting back at him as not letting him see the child.
	That is a very realistic situation.
	Happens regularly.
	Also, incarceration is a big number in the black male, like in the black community.
	So a lot of the times, sometimes those men don't get a chance to be a father.
	And then a lot of the times it's a lot of injustice in those situations.
	Well, the biggest problem that you guys have got is the welfare system.
	Because since the welfare system came to be in the 1960s with Lyndon Mays Johnson, the single motherhood rate has gone from 25% to 75% because they're actually incentivized to tell the government that they don't have a man at home.
	Yeah, that you don't have a man at home.
	Yeah, I agree with that too.
	So on the whole deadbeat dad thing, though, it's just interesting to me because if the guy, let's say he's not, he doesn't want to be a father.
	He doesn't want that responsibility.
	He's not financially in a place where he can take care of the kid.
	Like, all you guys say, these guys are clowns.
	But like, are you prepared?
	The same statements that you made about deadbeat dads, will you say that about women who abort their child?
	Like, you have to make the same statement.
	Like, let's say these women, and most abortions are not ready, just not ready, don't want to go through the pregnancy, don't want to be a mom, not financially capable.
	That's like 99% of abortions.
	You have to make that same claim about the women who get the abortions.
	Well, not really because they don't have a kid that's here every day for the rest of their lives that they have to take care of.
	Did you say they put the kid out of their misery?
	Yeah.
	What are you talking about?
	I'm saying, like, someone not paying for it.
	It's an innocent child.
	It hasn't even taken a certain time.
	It's a source of like misery.
	Like, people come from bad situations and make something good of their life all the time.
	I agree.
	It's an absurd thing to say.
	They're putting them out of their misery.
	I'm saying I wouldn't say the same thing about a mom aborting because they're not putting their child through something horrible for 18 years.
	I think women can.
	So you think that it's better to kill the child instead of have them overcome the situation of having not a two-parent home?
	Personally, I wouldn't.
	But like the stick that you just said that you said that putting them out of their misery.
	I think that would be a not great reason to have an abortion, but if that's their choice, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You got something?
	Yeah, I think if you got pregnant, you would not let women decide what to do with your body.
	You'd be like, oh, hell, nine months in my balls?
	You would never be talking about that.
	Let me just tell you.
	Let me tell you this.
	If I had a baby in my balls, I'd take that thing to term and I'd spit it out my peehole.
	Yeah, right.
	I would.
	And then if I think that I'd kill the baby?
	I mean, you wouldn't be pregnant for nine months.
	You guys can't even get your periods.
	That's how fragile.
	No, we actually don't get our periods.
	But what we do do is we work all of the most difficult jobs in the world.
	We work all of the most dangerous jobs in the world.
	We do all the dying in war.
	And we appreciate it.
	Oh, this is just control our bodies.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You appreciate it.
	But here you are saying that maybe we're not tough enough to.
	I think that if we can be ice road truckers and if we can go and die in the ditches in war, pretty sure we can have a few little mood swings from being pregnant and having an out-period.
	I think we'd be okay.
	I think we needed a, Ryan, you need to get that one stimulator for the period cramps.
	Bring that on your podcast.
	I mean, this whole like pregnancy is the most painful thing ever.
	There's, what is it, kidney stones?
	Like women who have been pregnant and then women who have had kidney stones from women themselves report that the pain is just as, if not worse, than pregnancy.
	And men get kidney stones.
	My understanding is it's a little bit more painful for men than it is for women.
	Try getting trench foot.
	See how you get it.
	Yeah, trench foot.
	Why are you trying to get it?
	You guys suffer so much.
	Poor little baby.
	Oh, poor little baby.
	Oh, yeah.
	You have to go through a little pregnancy.
	We get all the face and the money and the biggest.
	You have to have a little baby.
	You have to have a little blood coming out of you for a few days a week.
	But you have to realize what a baby does to a woman's body.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It literally just.
	You know what Trenchfoot does to a man's body?
	You have to cut that thing off.
	Look at World War I and World War II.
	Look at the war in Russia and Ukraine.
	I don't know what that is.
	We're not in World War II anymore.
	You're right.
	You know what?
	World War II was a long time ago.
	Women not being able to vote was also a long time ago, so it doesn't matter.
	Also, slavery was a long time ago, so it doesn't matter, right?
	No, no, no, no.
	Go ahead.
	Slavery was a long time ago, so it doesn't matter.
	Say it.
	The percentage of men who have had trench foot in the last 20 years to the amount of women who have had babies is not statistically significant.
	We never saw that.
	Hold on, everybody's going to.
	No, hold on.
	I'm exploring your claim of the money.
	But you're saying that men had to have trench foot.
	Take your logic to the logical conclusion.
	Hold on, see where it goes.
	Hold on.
	So you said, because Jake here brought up World War I, World War II, totally catastrophic.
	And the Russian.
	Tens of millions of male deaths.
	Very few female deaths.
	So you said, well, World War I, World War II, so long ago, doesn't matter.
	Tell me, slavery was a long time ago.
	It doesn't matter, right?
	That's not comparable.
	Hold on.
	World War I and World War II.
	No offense to.
	Trenchfoot versus slavery.
	How many women were fighting in World War I and World War II?
	I don't think it's comparable.
	I'm just saying it's a time thing.
	Like 100 million people died.
	So wait, you said that.
	I understand that, but how many out of that fought were actually women?
	Because if 100% close to zero, 100% of the world are being married.
	You think U.S. slavery has had a bigger impact on society than World War II?
	Here, try to listen.
	World War II, trench foot is one component of World War II and World War I. All of World War II.
	Which is worse?
	Everything that is involved with World War II or just U.S.-based slavery?
	Go ahead.
	Which one's worse?
	That's not what we were discussing.
	It's literally, yes, it is.
	So we were comparing pregnancies and trench foot.
	Yeah.
	We are not comparing slavery.
	Here's what happened.
	I said that trench foot was something that was exclusively.
	I use it as an example, right?
	Because I tell you what's worse than trench foot: getting blown in half by those World War II bullets.
	That would actually go a fair bit worse because you actually did.
	So we were comparing that and saying that, and she was saying, oh, poor little men have to get trench foot and go and die in war.
	And then we said, oh, well, poor women, you guys have to just have a little period for a few months and be in a bad mood when you probably don't even need to, to be honest.
	But how do you know that?
	There it is.
	How do you know?
	You build your whole personality around the period.
	Do you not literally have, like, okay, so let's say example, women have periods, but let's say that you're not going to be able to do that women that take birth control to maintain the periods and their hormones that they process their bodies.
	If you ever read the side effects on a birth control package and how many side effects there are, and literally just to consume of a woman's hormones because of their period.
	For me, I take birth control because I have my, literally, I have an iron problem.
	So if I contain my period, like it literally, my blood flow is a little bit more difficult.
	Let me literally tell you something.
	I'm saying that women are not.
	Let me literally tell you something.
	Literally.
	Literally, if you don't have sex, you literally won't have to take the birth control.
	No, I take it.
	I know.
	I literally the fact that I take birth control because of my dad's money.
	That's actually not true.
	That's not true.
	I literally just take both.
	I was on it before I lost that.
	Listen, I'm not going to let you weasel.
	There are so many other reasons to be on birth control.
	That's cool.
	So you said, these are the words you said.
	So I'm contending.
	Stop.
	Be quiet.
	So, look, I was very clear at the beginning of the show not to be doing like crosstalk one microphone at a time.
	We got to have good discipline when it comes to the microphones.
	Anyways, back to this.
	I heard, I was listening to you very closely.
	You said, you didn't say trench foot was a long time ago.
	You said World War I.
	No, and yes, you did.
	You said World War I, World War II was a long time ago.
	That's literally what came out of your mouth.
	Then I followed it up by saying the amount of men who have had trench foot in the last 20 years compared to the amount of women who have been pregnant in the last 20 years is not statistically significant enough to compare, which was the original argument.
	But hold on.
	The first half of that sentence was about World War I.
	The entire sentence included what we were discussing.
	Okay, you realize trench foot, while there is to some degrees, like in the Ukraine war, there is some degree of like trench warfare, trench warfare was like predominantly a World War I scenario and to some degree in World War II.
	So you said, well, what about the trench foot the past 20 years?
	Not really a major concern when it comes to global conflict.
	You said World War I, World War II, long time ago.
	Okay?
	So just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean that it doesn't have like lingering impacts.
	The whole world is completely different because of World War I and World War II.
	Great.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	That was what we were discussing.
	You were trying to like say, oh, well, these things happened a long time ago.
	Doesn't matter.
	That was your position.
	No, that wasn't my position at all.
	I mean, then why bring up, oh, because you're trying to downplay it.
	Why bring up that it happened so long ago?
	Do you want a more recent example?
	Sure.
	Okay, the Ukrainian war, which is currently ongoing.
	All the women could leave the country.
	All the men had to stay.
	That seems like an injustice, doesn't it?
	From a system that men set up.
	What do you mean, a system that men set up?
	Who made rules of war?
	Men?
	Humans?
	What does it have to do with men?
	Wait, hold on.
	Just to be clear.
	So if most people in power are men, but that only represents 0.00001% of the population, then men deserve to die.
	The men in power.
	The kind of power that you're talking about.
	How many Russian males are there versus how many Putins are there?
	Right, but the system is still set up by men, and so you're complaining about a system.
	How do you know it has to do with the because they're men?
	Because that is they happen to be men.
	I'm just asking one question.
	If there was a system that was set up by men and exclusively by men that made men walk into a hole that was going to be to bury them and kill them, right?
	And they just were walking into there all day.
	A million of them died, but it was set up by men.
	Would it be unfair?
	Okay.
	Is that unfair to men versus women?
	Would it be unfair to the men who that was happening to?
	I mean, if they're dying, sure, it's unfair to anybody who dies.
	So then it doesn't necessarily about if there's a guy in power who set it up.
	No, I'm saying if you're complaining about rules that affect men, but the rules were set up by men, what do you expect?
	That's who set up the rules.
	It's not women being unfair to men and saying, let me make these rules to disqualify.
	Actually, you know what?
	The funny thing is that men are actually so benevolent when it comes to this sort of thing, because if they wanted to, they could conscript women and send them off to the front lines to die.
	But instead, you know what they send off?
	Other young men, other 18, 19, 20-year-old young men to go dying.
	They're complaining about the system, but then you're justifying it.
	What do you mean I'm justifying it?
	How am I justifying it?
	You're saying that men do this.
	No, I'm just talking about it from the female purview.
	From a female purview, you can say that it's all men who set it up, but also it's men who take all of the responsibility, and it's all men who are dying in it as well.
	They take all of the responsibility.
	They have all the duties when it comes to war.
	Right.
	But that's the system that you were complaining about two minutes ago.
	And I said, how are you complaining about it if men are the ones that set up the system?
	Wait, just to be clear, do you think infinitely complex geopolitical conflicts, it all just boils down to, oh, a man did, like, a man happened to be in position of power?
	Like if a, if a bad thing happens, if a bad thing happens and it happens to be a man who was in a position of power, it's like somehow the men who are negatively impacted by that is, it's not as severe because a man in position of power.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	Why don't we also, like, why do we look at it in that way?
	Like, what are you trying to communicate by saying, well, who set that system up?
	Well, because you're not.
	Are you victim blaming?
	No, you're complaining about the system, but I'm saying that men set up that system.
	So if you're complaining about the system, that's what was set up by men.
	I mean, this seems like to be a bit of a logical fallacy.
	What's your point?
	I just said my point several times.
	But are you saying that the grievance is of less concern?
	Somebody else, something.
	Oh, you're just going to disengage?
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	I've said it several times, but you keep asking me the same question.
	I'm not asking that I'm getting a different person.
	I'm not asking you that.
	I've literally asked you a different question.
	Are you trying to suggest by pointing out, well, it happens to be a very small minority of men who had some degree of power, supposedly set the system up?
	No, of course, ignoring certain biological and evolutionary realities.
	What are you ultimately trying to get to?
	That any grievance, so if the grievance, this individual or group of people shares a gender, shares a sex with the individual or individuals that set that system up, their grievance should not be taken as seriously.
	Is that what you're getting at?
	I've said several times that I mean, I'm asking you a different question.
	Is it on the same topic?
	That if it's a man making a decision for men, then it shouldn't matter, is what you're saying?
	I'm asking, maybe it doesn't matter as much.
	What are you trying to communicate by saying, but men set that system up?
	Because men complain about the system that they themselves set up.
	So if they didn't like the system, then why wouldn't they have changed it?
	Hold on.
	So just to be clear, you think like 18-year-olds who are drafted into the military have like the political capital to change the system?
	No, but the system was still set up by men.
	Why should they not complain?
	They can complain.
	Men can complain.
	Yeah, of course.
	Do you think that warfare and conflict and tribalism is a part of human nature, or do you think that it's something that men do?
	Warfare in general?
	Warfare and tribalism.
	I think it's human nature.
	Right.
	So do you think that if there were women in power, if we were just all of a sudden run by queens, even though they wouldn't be able to enforce anything, if we were run by queens, then do you think that there would be no war?
	It would be sort of John Lennon seeing it in the middle of the night.
	There would be no war, but I do think that the way that men handle conflict versus the way that women handle conflict is very different.
	So I think if women were, quote-unquote, running the role, there would be more communication and probably less casualty.
	You think that there would be less war if it was up to women?
	Yes, I don't think war would be non-existent.
	I think the girls would just have a chai latte and just talk it out.
	No, I didn't say that at all.
	There's two ends of the spectrum, but I do think women are more communicative and men technically usually are more physical.
	So they handle conflicts more physically.
	Women usually handle conflicts with emotion and communication.
	You don't have to agree.
	I mean, that's just.
	So, I mean, what's your prescription, though?
	So, you're saying, okay, men complain about war.
	Well, tough because men set that system up.
	Like, what is your actual prescription?
	Exactly what I said.
	I mean, I didn't really hear a prescription.
	She's the women should run things.
	We should have a matriarchy and that'll get together with the girls and have a child, and they'd be nothing.
	I don't know why this is like so hyper-focused on me for every question, though.
	It's a little bit strange.
	Because when we ask you to actually state your position, you just go, you like, look around and give like weird face and then say, I already said that.
	You can just say it again, maybe in a more close.
	Maybe we're too stupid to understand.
	So just say it in a more.
	It's not true.
	I've said the same thing on abortion several times and it was just a runaround.
	I've said the same thing on this topic and it's just a runaround.
	So we just don't have to.
	I'm exploring your worldview.
	I'm not repeating questions.
	No, you're speaking down on it, is what you're saying.
	How am I speaking down on what?
	It seems like you're speaking down on us.
	You're dismissing genuine male grievances by simply saying, by using the apex fallacy, oh, this 0.0001% of men who do have power, meanwhile, the average man has absolutely no power.
	In fact, the average man tends to fare worse than the average woman.
	And then if you look at the bottom rungs of society, most men occupy the absolute worst outcomes in society, whereas women in general tend to have like a higher standard of living, the average woman does, than the average man.
	So you might look at the man and the CEO or the executive or the really rich guy, and you think that that's the experience of most men or all men, but it's an apex fallacy.
	It's a very, very small percentage of men that enjoy any sort of supposed or alleged privilege.
	Most men live unremarkable lives.
	Most women have average women compared to average men have far more privilege in a myriad of different ways.
	We can agree to disagree.
	I'm not going to agree to disagree.
	Explain to me the worst outcomes that women face as compared to the worst outcomes that men face.
	For example, exhausting.
	I mean, it's just on me.
	Like, this is very strange.
	There are six other people at the table.
	If any of the other girls want to jump in with a like coherent argument, I'm happy to hear it.
	But so far, you're the only one that's biting.
	So that's what I have to go off of.
	When it comes to homelessness, for example, do you care to take a guess at the percentage breakdown of homelessness between men and women?
	I think somebody else can take a guess.
	Okay, well, I'll just tell you then.
	80% of homeless are men.
	This, to me, seems like it would be a worse life outcome.
	So how do we reconcile this amazing privilege that is bestowed upon men?
	I assume you believe in the patriarchy.
	How could it be the case that there's this patriarchy that exalts and raises men up and they have this fantastical privilege and their lives just go splendidly without any issue?
	But all of the worst negative life outcomes drastically disproportionately impact men.
	I mean, just are you, do you just want to concede the argument?
	I'll move it on if you just want to concede.
	I've said this now the fourth time.
	Somebody else can talk.
	This is like the hyper-focus is strange.
	Somebody else can bite.
	Okay, what if they're not willing?
	I mean, I'm literally going off of your own positions.
	Because, okay, we are exploring your statement of who set that system up.
	So I'm exploring that worldview.
	That's why I'm talking to you.
	none of the other panelists forwarded that worldview is this is this the like healthy you you know what stonewalling is Is this what you do in a relationship?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I mean, you're doing it live on stream.
	Like, this is a boundary that I've said several times.
	Focus on somebody else.
	I'm literally, you've agreed to come on like a discussion show.
	Right.
	And I've explained my stance several times.
	And you're asking.
	I'm not asking you to repeat it.
	I've literally forwarded different questions and positions for you to like either try to rebut or contend with.
	Can I add something?
	I'd love that.
	All right.
	She's going to, I'm just going to say she concedes the argument then.
	Okay, well, so my, I wanted to add something because you can correct me too if I'm totally off or whatever.
	But I think where she was getting at with that comment was going back to earlier discussion about the abortions and how men shouldn't have a say-so on women's body, even though men passed that law to have a say-so on women's bodies, like them being able to have abortions.
	So moving like forward into this conversation, she's basically just like going back to that, like, well, men made those laws the same way like we don't feel men should have a say-so on women's bodies and what women do.
	Wait, hold on.
	Something like that.
	Women are, there's a massive amount of conservative women who are part of the electorate, and you have women on the Supreme Court, you have female politicians, senators, et cetera.
	Like, would you guys be okay?
	Like, let's assume, and actually, I think the majority, there's more women voters than there are male voters.
	So, if the majority of women voted to ban abortion, and if I said you guys who are pro-choice, if I was like, oh, well, who set up that system?
	There's a majority of female voters.
	Okay, and that's exactly where she was like going with the war thing.
	And that's completely okay if you said that.
	Like, my standpoint is I'm a very different woman compared to the women that are on that panel.
	Like, I'm a minority.
	I'm younger.
	Like, these are like really old, like you said, like conservative white women who are making, like, he said, there's a lot of not two-parent homes in the black community.
	It's more known in that community than y'all's and stuff.
	So, like, for us, if we don't, if we know this man is not going to stick around or do this, like, and we're like, oh, okay, I want to have an abortion so I don't raise my kid in a one-person, you know, household.
	Maybe that's their standpoint.
	I'm just, I'm not speaking for myself, but yeah.
	I don't know if you get that, but can I just say, man, if it was the sadistic was 50% men, 50% women homeless, would you guys be happy with that?
	No, you probably want the men lower and then the women higher.
	I don't want anybody homeless.
	Okay, good.
	It just feels like.
	But homelessness is by their choice.
	There's like jobs literally, there's homeless people.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Like, it's like, I think men be like, fucking be a man and go get a job.
	Like, what the freak?
	Actually, if you have a household, men are homeless, but why the hell are they sitting on their ass voting a sign?
	Anything else?
	If you have certain things, you literally, you literally are like, homelessness is different too, because if a woman's homeless, it's also her choice?
	Yes.
	No, no, it's literally any homeless person, bro.
	They literally chose that lifestyle.
	Like, we just saw a homeless person at a gas station.
	I laughed at them.
	Like, get up, bro.
	You're sitting in front of a gas station that has a hired sign in the window.
	Homelessness is their condition.
	If there are certain societal conditions, there is going to be homelessness.
	Like, if you have a certain unemployment rate and if you have these mental health epidemics that you're having in the United States, where there's so much prescription drugs everywhere, and if you close down all of your mental institutions, like they've done in California, which is just an absolute shithole, by the way, then you're going to have a bunch of homelessness.
	So there's conditions that actually.
	But how do you get out of homelessness?
	Like, I don't know why we're talking about homelessness.
	We're making it.
	I don't know why we're talking about it.
	I'm talking about a 60-year-old war veteran who's schizophrenic and literally can't get hired anywhere.
	And then they're just on the street.
	Then no, I'm unfortunate.
	Like I said, they chose that lifestyle.
	People struggle with schizophrenia all the time and still have a manageable job and still keep it, keep have a good life.
	Just to be clear, you're saying that they chose to be schizophrenic?
	They chose to be homeless and not to do anything about it.
	So, if someone has such a severe case of schizophrenia that they cannot get a job, because in order to have a job, you have to be somewhat functional at least.
	You're saying that they still chose that?
	Because there are people who have PTSD is a very serious thing.
	And there are people who have very, very serious forms of PTSD who are homeless on the street.
	Literally, there's probably 100,000 of them in California, in LA alone.
	These people have very, very serious conditions and they get no help from their government that they went to war to try and defend their country from.
	And you're saying that you laugh at these people and say, get up, bro.
	Yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah, I'm just like, make yours like you can make you have every option to make your life better, bro.
	Yeah.
	Look, hold on.
	You cannot say I'm wrong.
	You cannot sit.
	You cannot, Brian.
	You cannot sit there and say I'm wrong about that.
	No, we can't.
	Hold on.
	A lot of the homelessness in LA, a lot of the homelessness in LA spiked when Ronald Reagan was in present, was the president because I don't know about that president.
	He shut down so many mental institutions and programs that helped people who needed it.
	And that what do they resort to?
	Instead of literally going somewhere where they can provide help, they resort to taking drugs and make their life a little bit more harder than it has to be.
	That's how I see homelessness.
	And I don't see why we brought up homelessness when we're talking about abortions and comparing it to Trenchfoot.
	Where was that taking it?
	Homeless people get trench foot.
	It's about negative life outcomes.
	But I mean, look, look, to some degree, people have agency over their lives, but typically the circumstances which lead to homelessness, I don't know if it's so much about, I mean, look, people do make choices and it can lead to certain life outcomes.
	But a lot of these people, you know, there's, like Jake said, there's, there's, it could be PTSD, there could be drug use, there could be mental illnesses that have led them to certain unfavorable life outcomes.
	I worked for the Salvation Army for two years in a homeless shelter.
	And there was one lady that I remember that when she was a little kid, her dad locked her in a house for a whole entire life and then, like, you know, did you can imagine all kinds of terrible things to her?
	And then she got out and then it was sort of still happening.
	And then she had a child that was a product of the father and her.
	And then this child was like seriously deformed.
	And they were both homeless.
	And it was like, some people, it's like, yeah, you have agency, and there are a lot of success stories out there.
	But I mean, some people are just fucked from the get-go.
	So.
	All right.
	We have two chats here.
	Oh, oh, is it working?
	Chromo Jones donated $100.
	The easy way to not have to worry about child support is there is to make sure the guy who knocks you up doesn't leave.
	Wow, Chromo Jones.
	Yeah.
	I just think it's interesting.
	Like, y'all would say to the guy who knocks up a girl and he's got to pay child support for 18 years.
	You'd say, you shouldn't have done that.
	Tough luck.
	Should have not had sex.
	But you never say that to a woman who's like considering an abortion.
	They just say keep your legs closed for women about abortions and stuff like that.
	I know, but y'all, you guys would take issue with it.
	No, they just said it and we didn't have no issue with it.
	We just laughed about the comment when it popped up.
	When it said keep your legs closed.
	Shit, you're right.
	We should have kept our legs closed.
	But hey, now, chat, is there an echo?
	Is there an echo on the TTS?
	What's that?
	Okay, cool.
	It's fixed.
	Don Coleman 42 donated $100.
	Yeah, thank you, Mr. States represent women for free for child support collection.
	You go to jail for not paying if you're dodging it, you're effectively living like you're on the run or only having cash jobs.
	All cope.
	I mean, yeah, there are men who do that.
	They're like evasive with it.
	But if you're like a normal guy who's getting like a check, like you're not working under the table, you can evade it.
	You can try to, like this guy said, you know, you work an under-the-table job, just cash jobs.
	Like if you're a guy who's making 100K a year as a software engineer, like good luck evading the inevitable 18 years of child support you're going to have to pay because you hooked up with some girl and she got knocked up and you didn't want, like you just thought you were having a one-night casual encounter.
	She wants to keep the kid.
	She's got you for 18 years.
	Okay, so what, you want her to abort the kid?
	No, that's not what I'm.
	Here's what I think is fair.
	In any state or country where abortion is legal, men should be able to say, it's called legal paternal surrender.
	You can kill the kid.
	I should be able to abandon it.
	That seems fair.
	Yeah, I agree.
	In a world, if a woman can't get an abortion, the men can't opt out and they got to pay child support.
	But the current state of affairs is, no matter what as the guy, regardless of the abortion laws, whether the woman can nuke your kid, whatever it is, you got paid.
	You making money.
	She goes to the state.
	You're paying child support 18 years.
	If you don't, there's going to be penalties and eventually they're going to put you in jail.
	So men may say, though.
	If women were, if like, say the man took the child or whatever, like say you had a son and you decide to raise the son and you get granted full custody, whatever, the woman still has to pay child support in that instance.
	So I don't see where.
	I agree with you.
	That is true.
	However, there's two things here.
	One, women are much, actually, three things.
	Women are much more likely to get a greater degree of custody.
	And then in addition to that, just based off the data that we have, I think it's like 90% of child support payments go from men to women.
	So it's a small minority of women who are paying child support.
	Actually, four things.
	There's a bias in the court system that's going to more, I don't know why you're laughing.
	There's a bias in the court system that more favorably looks towards women versus men in these sort of situations.
	And then the fourth thing is, even if the guy is fully within his right to go after the breadwinner woman and get child support, men are just naturally less likely to seek it.
	And that's the same with alimony too.
	In the event of a divorce, she's the breadwinner.
	There is a greater proportion of men who are just going to throw their hands up and be like, I just want out.
	I don't want your money.
	Whereas women are going to have a much greater sense of entitlement.
	Women are going to be like, I feel entitled to this money.
	Well, you still have the same position or the same entitlement.
	You just don't feel like you need to take action into it.
	That's not a woman's fault if a man doesn't want to take it.
	He still has to do it.
	I agree with you.
	It's not a woman's fault, but it's to the woman's benefit if men are less likely to seek the child support or alimony.
	Yeah, that's fine, but it's not.
	I'm not playing a blame game anymore.
	No, no, no, I understand.
	No, I understand.
	I agree with you.
	And you're right.
	Even though those are the statistics, it still shows that a man can get child support.
	He can't.
	I'm not arguing that.
	It's like it's mama's baby, daddy's maybe.
	So that's usually why the court, you know, goes with the mom because the mom carried the baby, you know, so you know it belongs to them and stuff.
	Sometimes fathers can be like, oh, well, how do I know it's mine?
	Then you have to go through the paternity test.
	And then you, once you discover, like, oh, okay, you are the father.
	Now it's going through the court system to, you know, what, what do you want to do as a father?
	Do you want, you know, custody?
	Do you want to give up your parental rights?
	Do you want like, what do you want to do in that aspect?
	And then you can move forward from there.
	But, I mean, that's kind of why they favor the mom over the dad because you know the mom, you know, it's their baby.
	Okay.
	I mean, you're just arguing my position that there's a bias in the court system.
	Yeah, I didn't say that there wasn't.
	I actually agree with you.
	But I also, you also were saying it like men don't have the option that women have, and they do have the you said that men throw up their hands and don't go for alimony or don't go for like they're less likely.
	That's not our fault that they're less likely.
	That's that's a matter of that's not my position though.
	I'm not saying that it's women's fault.
	What are you saying then?
	What are you saying then?
	I'm just looking at outcomes here, right?
	Because you were like, well, in 10% of cases, the woman's the breadwinner and the guy can get child support.
	And I was like, yeah, sure, of course.
	But it's like, we're looking at disproportionality and differences, right?
	Yeah.
	But you also said that with the court system.
	No, but the original conversation, the conversation here stemmed from like, so a guy who doesn't want to have a kid for financial reasons or he doesn't want to be a parent, he doesn't have a say in the matter.
	He doesn't have a choice.
	Okay, you have a position on this?
	You're laughing.
	So I was laughing at the okay.
	I said that I agree with you on that, though.
	Like that was kind of what going back to mine and his initial discussion about abortion or about like when a man because that's what started that whole conversation was I said that I wouldn't let a man have a final say in every single thing, but I will like abortion, right?
	Yeah, I like abortion.
	Or you would have let him have a say?
	No, I said I would definitely discuss it with them because I did have input.
	Yeah, so he, because I do agree with what you said.
	Like if a dad told me, like if I got pregnant and the father told me, like, hey, look, I don't want to have a baby with you.
	I'm not going to be in this kid's life.
	And blah, blah, blah.
	I have all the information I need to say if I want to continue having this baby with him.
	Now, if he said that and said he's not going to be in the baby's life, but me personally, I don't agree in abortions, then I'm still going to have the baby, but he's not legally.
	We can set up a legal documentation that says you're legally not responsible financially or anything.
	It doesn't matter.
	You can, first off, that wouldn't be legally.
	The court would throw that out.
	For what?
	You change a year later, you change your mind.
	You're like, fuck, this is hard.
	I need money.
	He's making money.
	Whatever legal agreement you have, the court's going to be like, we're looking out for the best interest of the child.
	This document you have is unenforceable.
	Unenforceable.
	It would not be enforceable.
	And then, secondly, even if you did have this document, if you, in some sort of situation, let's say you don't want to enforce it, you're like, well, it's unenforceable, but like we agreed to it.
	I'm not going to go to the court.
	If you ever try to get any sort of government subsidy, like welfare, EBT, food, they're going to, they're going to be like, do you have a kid?
	You're going to say yes.
	And they're going to be like, okay, we're automatically going to go after the father now.
	And you can't tell them, no, no, no, please don't.
	I have an agreement.
	They're like, doesn't matter.
	If we're going, if we're going after welfare, if you're filing for welfare, we have to go after the dad and get some sort of money from him.
	So even if you have that agreement in place, which by the way wouldn't be enforceable at any point, maybe he pisses you off.
	You're like, fuck you.
	I'm going to get, you're going to pay money to me from now on.
	If you ever have to file for like any sort of welfare, healthcare, that sort of thing, government healthcare.
	They're going after the dad.
	So there's risk there to the man no matter what.
	Anyways, I do have to move it on.
	We have a chat here.
	Wrongful rage.
	Wrongful rage donated $100.
	Brian, I see you got the big brains on panel tonight.
	If skin hue is important, you're a shallow person.
	If that makes you qualified, that make your employer an idiot.
	Good day, ladies.
	I said good day.
	Thank you, Rage.
	Appreciate it, man.
	That's an interesting one.
	We have thank you, Rage, though.
	Good to see you back, man.
	Pelagic back in the chat.
	Thank you, dude.
	Zero accountability to who, Pelagic?
	Darkavia here?
	Zero accountability?
	Just talking shit about homeless people.
	What the fuck?
	Totally rude.
	All right, guys.
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	And then I do want to give a shout out to David Champagne.
	Dude, thank you for the 50 on, where is it?
	I think that's Venmo.
	Thank you for the 50 on Venmo, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	And keep up the good work.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we have a chat here from Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
	You can't pick 7.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	8.
	10.
	10.
	11.
	Period.
	Six.
	We really can't pick 7.
	Nope.
	You're like 10, baby girl.
	8.
	Darkia.
	10.
	Adjustable 6.
	I give myself a 5.
	Wow, we've got some very, we've got 10, 10, 11 over there.
	So you gave yourself the highest rating at the table off the scale.
	So are you prepared to say as the highest rating that you're the most attractive woman in the room?
	To me, I am.
	Maybe not to you guys.
	Well, don't forget about us.
	We're not going to go there, but do you think you're like, I want you to say, I'm hotter than every other girl in this room?
	Say it.
	To me, yes.
	I'm hotter than every girl in this room.
	Even to you, okay.
	Even to me.
	The only person that matters, really.
	Okay.
	How do the girls?
	She's saying she's hot.
	How do you girls feel about that?
	You know, look, we've been going at it.
	The men and the women have been going at it.
	Maybe the women and the women got to go at it for a bit.
	She's saying she's hotter than all of you uggos.
	That's what she's...
	She's like, you guys are...
	She called you all a foot, all of you.
	You all look like a foot.
	Are you girls going to stand for this insult?
	Will you stand for this?
	I love that.
	Yeah, I'm going to go.
	I love the insult.
	Isn't that insulting?
	It's not insulting.
	Well, it was an insult.
	I wish I was that confident.
	Maybe one of you said that.
	Because I feel the same about myself.
	I'd only be upset if a real 10 said it.
	If a real 10 said it, then you guys are.
	She's a real 10.
	She's a real 11.
	Oh, period.
	Yeah.
	You think objectively?
	I think everyone's absolutely perfect, gorgeous, amongst the hottest women that have ever lived on planet Earth.
	That's different to everybody.
	But you think so.
	If you had your, and there has to be women at the bottom as well.
	I don't, I mean, the most beautiful woman in the world, like to me, I don't think is any of us.
	No offense, including myself.
	So you think that she just lied to your face?
	But she literally stated in her eyes, she's 11.
	Yeah, for myself.
	She did not claim that we thank that.
	Yes.
	Let's put that out there.
	Wait, question.
	If 10 is perfect, for those of you who said 10 or 11, do you still give yourself a 10?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Perfect, perfect.
	More than perfect.
	Darkavia is perfect over here.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Why you gave yourself a five?
	I'm like, why?
	You want me to break it down here?
	That's not higher than five.
	I'm probably going to start balding within a couple years.
	You know, I'm losing a little bit right here.
	A lot of stress.
	I'm losing it.
	I got to lose a bit of weight.
	I could lose like 30, 40 pounds.
	Big nose.
	Pale.
	Dandruff.
	But I'm tall.
	I'm 6'1.
	So I got that going for me.
	Blue eyes.
	I'm like an average guy.
	I'm an average looking guy.
	I got an average face.
	Average face.
	When you looked your best, what would you have rated yourself then?
	You know, I saw a video the other day on my Instagram.
	Oh, Damien, pull up that old photo of me.
	I was going to send you the other day.
	I saw an old video of you that popped up on my Instagram of you walking around pretending you had a boner to get it.
	It was on my rear.
	You were skinny and you looked like you were going surfing.
	Fit, yes.
	Yeah, dude.
	Pull it up and then pull up my Instagram after that.
	All right, let's see young Brian.
	Show us young Brian.
	You got that photo?
	It's like the, I'm in the blue shirt.
	Blue shirt.
	Yeah.
	Pull it up.
	Pull it up.
	With a dog.
	The what?
	With the dog?
	Dog, it's a woman.
	I'm in the blue shirt.
	No, it's not on my Instagram.
	It's in the tabs.
	Oh.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I think I've showed it.
	Yes.
	And then we'll go to Instagram.
	Then we'll go to Instagram afterwards.
	All right.
	Is this meaningful?
	This is young.
	No freaking way.
	How old are you in this?
	That's you.
	I think I was 21 here.
	There's no way that's you.
	Doc Lady.
	Oh, Jesus.
	No, stop it.
	That's young Brian.
	Let me start talking about Brian and blushing.
	Wait, let's go.
	I think, yeah, I was like 20.
	I think I was 21.
	Pull up the Instagram.
	Pull up the Instagram.
	While he's doing that, we got Michael Jones.
	Ask them what they think.
	1,000 random men would rate them on average 1 to 10 Camp Bick 7.
	Okay, that's a good idea.
	Here, get the Instagram, though, real quick, and then we'll come right back to it.
	All right, this is young Brian.
	Young Brian.
	You were a surfer?
	Yes.
	look at that karate look at yeah pull up the karate Scroll up, scroll up.
	I was a kid there.
	I was a kid.
	All right, you know.
	That's so cute.
	The red background.
	All right, there you go.
	Okay.
	Does that answer?
	So you were higher and then.
	Oh, yes.
	I've just like 25, just downhill.
	Downhill.
	But you know what?
	35, I'm going to go up to a 6.
	I'm going to stay there for 5 years.
	And then just, it's just going to be downhill at 40.
	You should take up old mate from last show on his offer to get you a program.
	Dude, I'm working on it.
	What was his name again?
	Brandon.
	Oh, this thing here.
	Okay, going around the table once more.
	So if men had to rate you, a thousand men, what's the average?
	Michael Jones.
	W's in the chat for MJ.
	That's a good question.
	Starting with Natasha.
	Maybe an eight.
	Still an eight.
	Okay.
	Am I these men's type or is like these just, you know, literally like random men.
	You just have to do it.
	If you had to sort of think about the global average.
	Like average.
	Right, the global average.
	Just what men generally tend to like.
	I'm still going to say a 10.
	I'll be humble and say nine.
	Oh, it's so humble.
	So humble.
	That's good of you.
	I don't even want to say, I feel like, honestly, it's different if I'm naked.
	I think if I'm naked, it's definitely an 11.
	I'm just saying.
	Wait, it's what?
	It's 11.
	It's an 11, but when I have the glasses and the jacket, I look a little like, Betty the ugly or whatever.
	What was that?
	Soap opera?
	Hey, I'm hot.
	All right, back off.
	Wait, so what do they, okay, with clothes on, what do they give you?
	I would say like a six.
	Okay, but clothes off.
	Yeah, it's nice.
	Close off.
	A little wig, maybe.
	You know, a little lipstick.
	What?
	So what's I'm just curious.
	What makes it an 11?
	Like, is your.
	It's the whole concept of like, oh, she's wearing a cheese cover and she's wearing glasses and she has a shaved head.
	If I, you know, put on the wig and the heels and my ass, and you know, it's nice.
	What's nice?
	Oh, yes.
	What is it?
	You?
	The package all together.
	The package.
	The package.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	The whole thing.
	The package.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	The package.
	Package.
	Okay.
	So, like, you're saying, like.
	So basically, they'll give me a six, but then.
	When you have sex with them.
	Then they'll give me an 11.
	It goes up to an 11.
	Is it because you had sex with them?
	Because they saw me again.
	They saw me naked.
	They saw me without my thing.
	My, what do you call this?
	Like my persona.
	I was about to say that.
	It's tight.
	Yes.
	It's very.
	No, I thought you were going to.
	Oh.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't know what you were going to do.
	Big lady man.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good talk.
	All right.
	And then final thing on this thing, I guess.
	Oh, wait.
	We were going around a thousand men?
	Probably still six.
	I think they'd agree with eight.
	I'm like probably, I would say I'm not like men's person, like, based on my personality.
	I would say just licks.
	I would say probably like a six.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So a little downgrade.
	I'm just like, you know, would it be that hard to just be like, you know what?
	I'm average looking.
	You know.
	You know what I mean?
	I think I am average looking.
	I said that.
	But you said you were an.
	I think I'm like right above average, so I would do seven.
	Or wait.
	But I can't do seven, so I said eight.
	But right above average would be six.
	Like five is average.
	Oh, if five is six, six.
	Well, I thought like generally, if you look at it, it will operate in a bell curve.
	So at the very bottom, if you see ones and twos, it ruins your day, ruins your whole entire week, probably.
	And then if you get towards three, you get a few more.
	You'd still, you wouldn't want to go near them, but you wouldn't want to.
	But then if you go to like four, five, and six, that's where like 80% of people sort of tend to reside.
	And then seven, and then eight, nine, ten is like where you get to, you know, chef's kiss.
	Oh.
	By the way, Jake, I have a I've got beef with you, dude.
	Okay, let's go.
	Let's have a so two, three days ago, we're gonna come back to this topic, though.
	I was on Netflix and I saw Love on the Spectrum.
	Oh, my favorite show, dude.
	I love that show.
	Which was first invented by the Australians.
	Yes.
	You, how dare you?
	That is the best show ever.
	I want you to apologize on behalf of Australians.
	Australians, we've literally invented the boomerang and Love on the Spectrum.
	It's so we haven't.
	We have nothing else.
	Oh, my God.
	You insult.
	You don't like that show?
	It's really frustrating.
	Why?
	Because I feel like they could cast me and I would do really good things.
	I would fucking kill it on Love is on the Spectrum on YouTube.
	You would, dude.
	I would fucking kill you.
	You would.
	We'd put you with like a Down syndrome girl and you guys would be sitting there like.
	I don't know.
	Hey.
	Hi.
	I would get along with that girl who's like, oh, the animation.
	I didn't watch the Australian one.
	Whatever.
	Anyways, that was crazy.
	We have two tweets, two TikToks to react to that's related to this conversation that I think is important.
	Damien, can you pull up the next TikTok react?
	Go out and meet new people.
	I think I'm finally ready to go out and meet new people.
	I says with immaculate confidence.
	I was then hit by a plane and pulverized instantaneously.
	Sees my matches.
	So, pause it.
	So she creates her hinge account, and then she sees her matches.
	And so I think what she's trying to communicate here is she's like, whoa, I have this standard of like what I think I deserve when it comes to a guy's appearance or whatever.
	But then the guys who are actively matching her, she's like, these guys are below my league.
	Can you pull it back up really quick?
	Cause I read the comments.
	And then there's another video on this.
	Then the first comment reads, it's actually put it on a window tab really quick for the commentary.
	Window tab.
	It's actually traumatic.
	And I just want to make sure the audio is okay.
	Yo, chat, can you hear us in the audio?
	But Ashlyn says it's actually traumatic.
	ATP, where does their confidence, where does their confidence come from?
	How dare a man match with a woman on a dating app or send a like on a dating app?
	ES, I created an account on a random Sunday night, saw my matches and deleted that night.
	I don't have it in me.
	Scroll down.
	Quite literally, the most humbling experience.
	Christina says, we think you two should meet.
	I think not.
	Indicating that she thinks that the matches that she's getting are below her.
	Let's see.
	The matches I get on him scare me.
	This other girl says, or Haley says, dude, like, where are the hot ones?
	Scroll down.
	I feel insulted.
	Scroll down a little bit.
	I don't think I'm that shallow, but like, dang, that's from another woman.
	And then there's another TikTok that's related to this, if we can pull it up.
	And then start it from, start it at just 30, because I think she rambles a little bit.
	Yep, but full to say.
	And I know that this is awful to say, but getting likes and being shown people who are clearly like below your league will give you self-confidence issues.
	It really will, okay?
	And vice versa, like not getting any matches at all or not getting any likes at all, like that is also a self-confidence issue that I feel like people shouldn't have to go through.
	Oh, and for me personally, the only time I ever download dating apps is when I feel lonely.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And this last time.
	So she said, what did she say?
	She said that it's like a hit to her self-esteem seeing like the start from 30 again.
	And while you're doing that, Marky says, dating apps have made me so insecure.
	Started at 30.
	Like, but it's a self-confidence issue, right?
	Like, and I know that this is awful to say, but getting likes and being shown people who are clearly like below your league will give you self-confidence issues.
	Okay.
	It really will.
	Okay.
	And then I'm going to just read one or two of these chats.
	Scroll down a little bit here.
	Let's see.
	I don't know if there's any really.
	It was mostly, I think, the comments.
	I think it was the comments in the other one that I thought I thought were interesting.
	But anyways, so do you think that these women are actually getting liked by people who are way outside their league?
	Or are these women delusional as to their standing in the dating marketplace?
	And they think that they're more attractive than they actually are.
	And then they're looking at people who are actually their looks match, their looks equivalent, and they're zeroing them out.
	What do you think is happening there?
	I have a question.
	I thought on dating apps you both had to like.
	Yeah, that's what I was confused about as well.
	Well, so on Hinge, for example, if I recall, and I haven't been on it in like a year and a half, on Hinge, you can see your incoming likes, so you can look at their profile before you send a like.
	So it'll show you there's like a, like if you're just swiping through the feed, I guess you could like at the same time, or they've already liked you, but you can actually look at people who've already picked you.
	So that's what they're talking about.
	Okay.
	I've never had that experience.
	Like with the app that I was on, in order for you to be a match, you had to say yes, they had to say yes.
	So if somebody was surprised by that, that would be strange to me.
	You know what I mean?
	Because you both had to say that.
	So what they're specifically talking about is there's a feed in the dating apps that they have that it already, you haven't necessarily swiped yes on them.
	They're showing you the people who have swiped yes on you.
	And I'm pretty sure they're talking about him.
	I think she said Hinge.
	They're talking about Hinge.
	So you can see before you like them who's liked you.
	And they're dissatisfied with the people who've liked them because they want to pick.
	They don't want to send a like out first.
	They want to pick amongst the men who've already picked them.
	But they're dissatisfied with those men.
	But they can have their preference, right?
	If they don't like them, they don't think they're cute.
	Because I had Tinder, and when I was scrolling, it would take me like 500 scrolls to find like one person that I thought was cute.
	And sometimes your type might not be their type.
	Like the type that you like might not like what you look like.
	It goes both ways.
	Also, women don't date for looks that much as men do.
	Yeah, they do.
	They care way.
	Women care way more about looks than men.
	I agree.
	Y'all think men are these superficial, super shallow.
	Y'all care way more about looking at them.
	You invented the number system.
	We didn't come up with that.
	We invented math.
	No, the whole conventions.
	Of course.
	That is true.
	But if you treat us good, like...
	Here, get the fuck in.
	Oh, snap.
	Some people like that.
	No, I think that when it comes to this conversation, though, it's like, if you look at it from the guys who are like up the very top echelon, they're going to be able to pick apart women a lot more, as opposed to women, I think, will pick the men apart a lot more in general.
	But if you get a guy who's like sort of bottom 60% of men in terms of that.
	Scuff.
	See, look how domestic she is.
	No, it's a terrible job.
	Do more.
	Awful job.
	Spilled a whole bunch.
	I know.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	But if you, yeah, like I was saying that if you get a guy who's like bottom sort of 50%, he's generally just going to want a girl who's cute.
	You know?
	And then there are other things.
	And then with the guys who are even in the top percentile, they're going to look at very different things than just looks.
	You'll often see very successful guys who with an adjustable six.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Because if a woman is like, and this is bad, but like if a woman is above an eight, generally they just tend to be completely fucking insufferable.
	With the world that they're raised in, if they're above an eight, like a genuinely above an eight, then yeah, like the world is just going to reinforce to them constantly their whole entire lives about how pretty they are.
	Doors are going to get open for them.
	They're going to get a lot of free shit.
	They're going to get offered to be flown all around the world.
	Pretty guys get that too.
	No?
	I mean, if you're a successful guy, you will have to be a little bit more than that.
	The hot felon, remember that guy that was a convict, a murderer, and then got hot and traveled the world.
	Have you ever had an offer for a guy to fly you out or anything?
	When in my 20s, yeah.
	I did.
	Okay.
	Are you, when you were in your 20s, were you as attractive as the hot felon dude?
	Like, would you have been able to land the hot felon dude in your 20s?
	Oh, I thought you were 11, though.
	I mean, maybe in my 20s, yeah.
	I think any guy, How can I put this in a PG-13?
	Women, fuck you?
	Yeah, guys don't say no to me.
	Nah, but here's the thing.
	Getting sex from a guy, that's not a W for women.
	The W, of course.
	The W is the ring.
	The W is a long-term relationship.
	You can fuck any guy.
	Right, right.
	That's not like a...
	But what I mean is the felon guy got pretty boy treatment, you know?
	And it's like, you guys get it too.
	But like...
	Like, average women can get that kind of treatment.
	An average girl can get flown out.
	Yeah.
	An average girl.
	She puts the right sort of filters on her Instagram and she posts the right like bum photos or whatever they put.
	I'm going to leave this podcast being like, poor man.
	I'm going to really, tomorrow I'm going to give out blowjobs to, no, that's too much.
	I'm not going to give them out.
	If you leave the podcast thinking more about men, then I'll consider the position about periods being painful.
	Look at that.
	That's like a commitment.
	I'm not convinced about it, but I think that we can come to that.
	know what it's like giving have you seen these tiktok videos where the girls like after motherhood and they're like wrecked Like they show them three months before and then three months after.
	Have you guys seen this like new trend?
	And I'm not sure if like, I don't think motherhood does that to you, but it seems brutal.
	Actually, though, like the hormones that are released when you're pregnant and everything actually tend to keep a woman young.
	Right.
	When she has children.
	Keeps them young.
	You know, they're designed to do that.
	Designed to have children.
	Young.
	So the argument is never have an abortion and it doesn't matter like how old you are, who did it.
	Just have babies.
	Well, I would say yes.
	Definitely never have an abortion.
	Look, I'm just, the reason I brought those up is those were two examples.
	Like that first girl, I'm not saying this to be mean.
	She's an average looking girl.
	The second girl, a little better looking than the first one, average looking girl.
	I think y'all are gassed up when it comes to how attractive y'all think you are.
	And then the guy who's actually your looks equivalent, you're passing him up.
	And it's, to me, it's just like, it's crazy to get on TikTok and be like, oh, these men who are interested in dating me, I wouldn't even give them a shot when they're your equivalent.
	If you're passing up men who are your equivalent, you're just chasing after, because here's the thing, right?
	Remember how I was saying it's easy for women to get sex.
	Like you could be an average chick and fuck a really attractive dude.
	He's never going to commit to you.
	He's just going to use you for sex.
	Maybe some of you have had that experience.
	You're sleeping with a dude who you want commitment from.
	Why isn't he giving it to you?
	Probably not.
	Like you're fucking outside of your league.
	No offense.
	Am I wrong?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if you're making a face.
	I don't know if you disagree.
	No, it was good.
	It made me laugh.
	That's a good point.
	But what about how you guys said a man is more commonly going to be with average sex?
	It's like a really attractive dude than a woman.
	But that's the thing that women will tend to be able to look outside of their league.
	And that's the way that women date.
	They're hypergamous daters, which means that they look above in terms of the social hierarchy because they want a guy who earns more than them, is obviously bigger, stronger, more competent, can look after them, can protect them.
	And women, and men, sorry, we tend to be okay with looking down a little bit as long as she respects us.
	And there's a lot that comes with respect, but just for the short answer, as long as they respect us.
	Is it like a dominance thing for you guys?
	Like you feel like more dominantly, you feel like you could lead somebody that's making less.
	If you're a woman, you definitely should try and make a man feel dominant.
	Absolutely.
	And even if it's just in everyday life, oh, I can't get this from the top.
	Even you can get it if you really want to.
	Can you come get it for me?
	Oh, you're so strong.
	All of that sort of stuff makes men feel respected.
	And yeah, but this is the thing.
	Dominance can be obviously associated with negative connotations because if you're dominant in a negative way, then you're going to be sort of really horrible and really mean to someone.
	But if you're dominant in a way that you can still have the person's best interests in mind, what's wrong with that?
	Do you want a dominant man?
	Oh, yeah, I do.
	I want a man that can lead me.
	And so, you know, like when you were saying that, I'm like, I think that is why women do tend to look for someone, like you said, that is in a hierarchy than you know, other men.
	Or maybe if they see a man that's on their level, that's why they're looking like, oh, he's not really on my level.
	If that makes sense.
	Say it again, sorry.
	Like if they're looking at a man like who they're saying statistically, like look-wise, financial-wise, whatever, y'all are compatible, like you're on the same level, but women are looking at them like looking down.
	It's because that aspect of wanting someone that's smarter or more financially stable or something like that is going to teach me something to lead.
	But the problem that it highlights, though, is that with dating apps, this has changed the way that men and women interact in the intersexual dynamics completely.
	Because if you're a woman, in the olden days, what you would have to do is you would have to find a man who's in your town.
	So you'd have a much smaller pool of options, right?
	But nowadays, if you log on to a dating app or if you're on Instagram and you have an open profile and you post cute photos and you do some sort of cursory marketing of yourself, then you can have guys from all around the world sort of sliding into your DMs.
	And then automatically that opens up this massive pool.
	And then what are you going to do?
	You're going to look to the very top of that pool to the guys that you like the most and be like, this is where I stand, right?
	This is the guys that I want to date.
	And then anything below that is not going to interest you.
	And then what's worse is that when you get older and you date a guy who you consider below, you'll end up thinking, you know, Kevin's nice, but Jim Michael, the quarterback, he was really good back in the day when I was in my 20s.
	And it's called being alpha widowed.
	It's called being what?
	Alpha widowed.
	It's when you've experienced the alpha male in the past and then you're with another guy and he doesn't have those same sort of traits, whether it be like sexually or his charisma or whatever, and then you pine for that guy.
	I think that's honestly a massive reason why a lot of marriages don't work these days is because of the experiences that people have and then they end up pining for somebody in their past or aspects of their own.
	I'm trying to disagree.
	Well, I think that when it comes to divorces, it comes down to the way that men and women are designed and the way they communicate with each other.
	Because women and men, they tend to give what they want to receive.
	And so there tends to be a lot of conflict and struggle because men are expecting women to, and women are expecting men to be a certain way that they're not, and they don't try and understand men.
	And then women and men.
	Wait, hold on.
	Can you make it relevant to his point?
	Yeah, because we're just having a vague conversation about marriage now.
	He's talking about a phenomenon where if a woman, because you've only been with two men, right?
	So I don't know if you were alpha, I mean, the guy you married, you were a virgin.
	So you were not in a situation in your marriage to have been alpha widowed.
	That doesn't make sense to me.
	Like, as in a really good idea.
	Let me break it down really simply.
	At some point in your past, you date a remarkable man.
	Maybe he's outside of your league.
	He's really good looking, really good in bed.
	He's rich.
	Whatever the metric is, he doesn't give you commitment, but you date him for three months and he best sex you've ever had.
	Then the guy who you can actually get commitment from doesn't mean meet any of those criteria.
	Now you've had a taste of the good life, the good dick.
	And now you're going to settle for Joe Schmoe.
	That's what we're talking about.
	The old saying, ignorance is bliss.
	What do you disagree with?
	Because I'm disagreeing that he's saying that's a lot of the reasons why couples end in divorce.
	And I'm saying I don't think that's a lot of the reasons why.
	I don't think that they experience something better, and now they always pined for that.
	I think they're not.
	Why do you think that virgins stay together for longer than people who have slept around?
	Well, I do because their pool has been exposed more and they have a lot more experiences.
	That's what I said.
	Yeah, so if you've got 10 ex-boyfriends and Jimmy was tall and Billy was handsome and Kevin was freaking, I keep saying Kevin, I can't come up with any new names.
	Darren was rich, and then all of a sudden, when you're settling down, you want all of those things in one man.
	So you're saying women settle?
	What do you mean?
	I'm saying when you settle down.
	Right, so do women settle when they find that mediocre man?
	Well, they think they're settling.
	They think they're settling.
	It's a good way to put it.
	Yeah.
	But it's actually the guy who's your equivalent.
	But because you've had, hold on.
	Because women can get access to men sexually, maybe even like short-term sexual access to men that are outside of their league, they're like, oh, now this guy down here who is actually my equal, I've had this guy, but he won't commit to me.
	But like, I've had him, I've had that experience.
	It's like, if you lived in a mansion all your life and then you go live in a shack, that's a, you're like, fuck.
	That mansion was way better.
	And so it's just, look, it's, it's.
	It's also a reality check.
	Like, we have to live in reality.
	We have to understand that we are like those women.
	They got a reality check of this is their pool.
	So they have to accept that.
	They have to accept that that's so, but that's he's saying that's a fact of divorce, and I just said I disagree.
	Well, and one last thing on this, on this, like, the widow concept.
	It's so widow.
	Hold on.
	Who's a widow?
	Elfa.
	It's a term.
	It's a terminal.
	I shouldn't even use it because it's just confusing.
	I mean, it's sort of like a red pill term, but basically, just what it means is that you've had a guy or multiple guys who have certain characteristics and traits that you don't have in your guy that you actually settle down with.
	So then it means that the woman's always pining for those traits that he doesn't have.
	So hence pining for those men.
	Yeah.
	And then one thing here on this, like in terms of the differentials, you might say, like, oh, men can have that too.
	Not really, because here's why.
	Like, if me or Jake steps to a girl that's outside of our league, instant rejection.
	Like, we're instantly zeroed out.
	If I step to a girl and I'm like, I'm offering you sex, easy sex, I ain't getting nothing.
	I get nothing with a girl who's outside my league.
	I don't get a conversation.
	I don't get a date.
	I definitely don't get sex.
	But as a girl, if you make yourself sexually available to a guy who's outside your league, maybe it's not the case every single time you're going to get it, but you got a chance.
	Chris Brown has fucked a lot of average girls, I'd say.
	Like, there's a lot of NFL NBA players that just be like hooking up with girls that they have no intention of ever having a relationship with.
	And so, you know.
	Yeah.
	Like, by the way, to your point, I'm not saying that it's the sole purpose for divorces.
	I'm saying that it's, I think that in the modern world, considering the factors that we're talking about in terms of social media and the way that people date and they're sort of played more fast and loose with sex and other intersexual dynamics, then that would be something that I think would be a major factor these days.
	But you're saying that you believe that like communication and different values is a major reason?
	I think we're just having, we don't seek to understand the opposite sex.
	So we don't seek to understand how.
	Do you think that tends to go both ways?
	Yeah.
	I think that to an extent it is true.
	But like the experiment that I ran at the start here when I asked you all what you would do in your job interview, you guys gave pretty bad answers.
	You gave a pretty good answer, but the rest of you guys gave pretty bad answers, I'm not going to lie.
	And that actually shows that you guys don't really understand what men actually want.
	Like if you're put in that situation where you have to sell yourself, you actually don't know really how to sell yourself.
	Whereas men, the competition is greater.
	So if we want to acquire like a certain type of woman, which is very, very rare these days, then we have to really, really know the game.
	We have to really understand how to achieve that.
	Well, I mean, Natasha's position on this, she wrote some pre-show notes, and if I've committed them to memory, you're talking about the table, what somebody brings to the table.
	Natasha doesn't believe in, is that fair to say?
	Like, women are the table.
	Is that fair?
	That's not what I said.
	No.
	Well, you said that if a guy were to ask a woman what she brings to the table, she just brings herself.
	It's her presence.
	Isn't that what you're saying?
	I'm saying, sort of to a point that I don't think if a man asks that question, they see the value in you to begin with if they're having to ask.
	But I'm saying that a man who is super secure, let's say financially in his job, all of these things, it doesn't really matter what a woman brings to the table in terms of that.
	If she brings the attributes he's looking for, like she could be a waitress.
	She might not be financially stable, but if she brings the qualities that he's looking for, then that's enough for him.
	So I don't think she has to be of a certain like looks or of a certain like financial caliber.
	I think if she's bringing the attributes, like the qualities within herself, then I don't think that it matters like what she does to bring to the physical table.
	Right.
	And so what you wrote in your notes was: a man asking what you bring to the table is a major red flag.
	Him asking something like that just reveals his cards that he isn't secure in where he is and that they harbor resentment for women.
	Insecure men tend to think that women have an easier time.
	And if I'm going to marry you, what will you provide for me?
	Meh.
	Ballers will marry someone from any walk of life, a waitress.
	It doesn't matter.
	So if he's a real provider and a man who's secure, he will not care about your standing because for the right man, all you will have to do is exist.
	You can't see my qualities without that question.
	But I think men who are asking, don't worry about it.
	I think men who are asking what you bring to the table, they're not talking financially.
	They're not talking money.
	Yeah, but those are soy boys.
	Don't deal with them.
	They're saying like what you bring to the table outside of that.
	Well, I'm saying in like a financial sense, when I think men try to say like, oh, where are you at in your career?
	Like, what do you think?
	So when you're saying about bringing to the table, you're talking about in a financial sense.
	Yeah, that's what I was talking about.
	Okay, well, I would actually agree with you then.
	I think it matters more authentically.
	Yeah, but when we're talking about bringing what you bring to the table, though, it's sort of like the experiment that we ran before where I said, what qualities and attributes and what makes you different from other women?
	I think that's what is more important to a man.
	Like I'm saying if it's a financial question, I don't think that matters at all to a man, really.
	I'd agree.
	We did it.
	We found one.
	That was beautiful.
	We got there.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But like, let's say when the guy asks that question, what do you bring to the table, but he's not thinking about finances at all?
	Do you think that then it's a fair question?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would just, sorry.
	I would ask for a specification, like, what they mean in terms of what I bring to the table, if they meant, like, financial stability or if they meant attributes, because I do think attributes matter in what you bring to the table on both ends.
	But I don't think, at least for a man, that the financial standing of a woman is that important compared to their physical and personal attributes.
	All right, Natasha, you and me, we also have an agreement there.
	Don't care whatsoever.
	I mean, it's probably good if you're fucking debt, like crazy debt.
	What's important to me is if you're not lazy.
	If I think that you're somebody who, you know, is able to just get out of the bed in the morning and just do things.
	And if I have to go away, say we've got kids and I've got to go away for a week for work, you're like, cool, I'm going to hold it down at home.
	I think lazy is extremely unattractive.
	That's why when I see these sort of like pampered princesses who just want to sit around all day and be provided for, it's like, no, thank you.
	No.
	You've got to pull your weight and show that you can hold it down.
	How do you guys feel about 50-50?
	No.
	Oh, that's good.
	Yeah, if you're the provider, then it implies authority.
	And also, I don't want my wife one day going to work for another man.
	Because obviously, I don't think that there's any position, there's any time when it's actually appropriate for your wife to be going and having close relationships with a man who's in authority, in a position of authority with her.
	wait 50 50 you guys who's in favor of 50 50.
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	I think it depends.
	Like, because just starting out dating, and if I made more than the dude I was talking to or whatever, it don't make sense.
	Like, if I'm already providing for myself to go 50-50, because he can, you know, intern soon, hopefully, make more.
	But what if he asks you on the date?
	You still want to be the person to pay for the date he wanted to take you on?
	Well, no, but that wasn't the question.
	It was if you would go 50-50.
	So I'm assuming that we were already in a relationship and a point that we'd want to live together or, you know, be in that part where we're partners.
	Because that's what 50-50 is to me.
	It's like partners.
	If you ain't got it, then I got you.
	Are you cool with 50-50?
	No.
	50-50?
	Cool with it?
	Not cool with it?
	50-50?
	50-50?
	Yeah.
	Why are you stroking the pickle hubba?
	Calm down, Darkavia.
	Calm down.
	And then what about who should pay on the first date?
	The man or the woman?
	I think whoever asks.
	Whoever asks?
	Okay, but.
	Have you asked a guy on the first date?
	No.
	I like that.
	I like a traditional.
	Right, but it's like, okay, so just say man.
	Yeah, a man.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, man.
	Man.
	Man.
	Men.
	What?
	Who should pay for the first time?
	Did you pay on the first date?
	Oh, man.
	This took you so long.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Natasha, I know you have a hyphenated last name.
	Are you going to want to hyphenate with your future husband?
	No, I want to get rid of both of my last names and take his name.
	My own.
	Okay.
	Do you want to get married?
	Yeah.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah, but I probably hyphenate it.
	So, no, you won't take his name.
	I would still have his last name.
	Well, honestly, I could say, because my last name is Trinidad.
	So, like, I like my, like, I love it.
	It's part of my artist name.
	It's part of my name.
	So I guess I could.
	Are you Trinidadian?
	No, I'm Cruzian, but I'm Puerto Rican.
	Sorry?
	Crujan.
	Like, my, I'm from St. Croix, like, Virgin Islands.
	So my nationality, Cruzian.
	You speak Creole?
	No, we speak Cruzian.
	Yeah, no.
	I'm Puerto Rican, though.
	We'll get back to that.
	You hyphenate or you take his name?
	I'm taking the last name.
	How about this?
	Let me double down on this.
	It's a bad last name, too.
	Oh.
	Taking the bad last name.
	Yep, okay.
	Why do you have to change it?
	It's a bad last name.
	No, if it's bad, I won't change it.
	If it's good, I'll change it.
	Okay.
	I'll take it.
	I'd change it.
	I will not change my last name.
	You're going to hyphenate.
	So wait.
	Hyphenate, hyphenate, hyphenate.
	I mean, if there's a double hyphenation, you could do that.
	It's so long last name.
	It's just so.
	That's the problem with the hyphenation thing.
	If everybody did it, then like, once you go far, it's like 16 last names.
	It shouldn't be allowed.
	It shouldn't be allowed.
	It's such a kick in the nuts to your husband to not take his last name.
	Reason I'm hyphenated is because my mom was already a practicing lawyer when she had when she got married and all of her documentation was just out handy.
	So she wanted to hyphenate it to make it easier.
	But I don't know why I got both of them.
	I'll know, man.
	I like Darkavia Jacobs.
	Look, you guys want a guy to pay for the first date.
	You don't want to do 50-50.
	You got to take his last name.
	Like, you can't have it like, I want a man to be traditional, but you won't even take his last name.
	That's true.
	I agree with that.
	Like, imagine you're like, oh, 50-50.
	I said I'd go 5-50, though.
	Huh?
	I said I'd go 50-50.
	Oh, I thought you were kind of against it.
	No, I said if I got it and he doesn't, or if I was making more money than him.
	What do you do for work?
	I'm an actress and a rapper.
	Yeah, and I do music.
	Not bringing in the big box at the moment.
	Racks on racks.
	Is it bringing in the big box or no?
	Not as big, but yeah, I make a lot.
	I work with a lot of big artists and stuff like that.
	But I mean, you still said you want the guy to, maybe you're 50-50, but you want the guy to pay for the first date or first.
	Because she has said, like, if he asked you on the day and I was like, well, yeah, I did ask.
	Did you ask guys out on dates?
	I have before.
	Of all the dates you've been on, what's the breakdown?
	Like, 80% the guy?
	Yeah, mostly the guy.
	Yeah, mostly the guy.
	But I haven't really been on really, like, a lot of traditional.
	But what if you had a family and kids, would you still be rapping and talking about like Gikuchi and stuff?
	Talking about what?
	Racks on stuff?
	Did you say my coops?
	Racks on racks.
	Okay, that's not what I talked about.
	I was talking about liquor.
	That is true, but I try to be.
	Honestly, I really do be trying to.
	Oh, it's okay.
	Don't worry about that.
	So you never mentioned that.
	No, actually.
	Okay.
	I don't.
	Okay, well, anyways, the 50.
	Oh, since we have everybody at the table from the 10, the 10, the 11, and the 10.
	I want you guys to rate me.
	I will not be offended.
	Rate me on the scale of 1 to 10 looks.
	I won't be offended.
	That's the thing.
	I don't.
	I think it's more than looks because you, you know, you're doing the other stuff.
	Fine.
	Looks for you.
	I started out at five, but then you got to know me and now I'm a zero.
	I don't care.
	Just look.
	This guy, whatever.
	You're like, this guy's a fucking dick.
	Just whatever.
	Whatever it was, like, just looks.
	Honestly, I'll give you one point higher than you gave yourself.
	I'll give you a six.
	Give me a six.
	What about you?
	What do you give me?
	A five.
	Okay, six, five.
	What do you give me?
	I mean, the old you that are like right now.
	Racks on racks.
	No, I'm saying, you're like a seven.
	Like, not for me, but like, I feel like a lot of women would like you.
	Thank you.
	Like, you have the beard going for yourself.
	You have pretty eyes.
	Wait, so I'm a seven when I was younger or seven right now?
	No, you're probably like an eight or nine.
	I'd date you when you were younger.
	Missed out, man.
	Missed out.
	Okay, seven.
	Okay, so I get a seven.
	And then Darkavia, what do you give me?
	I would say I would say six.
	All right.
	It's the beard.
	It's worse or what?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	It's good.
	That's cool.
	Actually, here, you know what?
	We're going to do Milena.
	Why don't you also rate me?
	I'd say five.
	Give me a five.
	Okay.
	And then.
	Jill.
	Fuck it.
	Jill, what do you rate me?
	Six.
	Six?
	Okay.
	Okay, Flaga.
	What do you rate me?
	She's going to give me a little number because we argued earlier.
	Go ahead.
	Like, unbiased?
	Into the mic.
	Unbiased a six.
	Okay.
	Give me the biased answer.
	Give me the biased answer.
	Like.
	Just looks.
	Yeah, like you're not my type at all, but like just compared to the no.
	That's a wild question.
	I'm kidding.
	It's a joke.
	Okay.
	So she gives me a six.
	So, wait, I did this so out of order.
	So you gave me a six, you gave me a five, you gave me a seven, Darkavia gave me a six, you gave me a five.
	So just to be clear, you're an 11.
	To you, I'm a six.
	So you would be settling for me.
	No, hold on.
	That's literally what you said.
	Looks-wise.
	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, looks.
	Okay.
	I said you are more than six if you weren't just looks-wise, but just looks-wise.
	What's my total rating then?
	You know, you have your little thing going.
	You seem like you have a nice head on your shoulders.
	I would say a nine.
	Like, you can be a husband to somebody and like take care of people and not murder them.
	You know?
	Not murder them.
	All right.
	Sounds good.
	Yeah, like if it's just looks, then yeah.
	You're still settling for me as a nine.
	I mean, you're 11 over here.
	Okay.
	You gave yourself a 10, but you gave me a five.
	So you would be down.
	You would be downgrading.
	I think we got to do a split on this.
	We did downgrading from a 10 to a five.
	Do you think it would be a mismatch if you and me dated looks-wise?
	Yes.
	Like, if people saw you and me together, they'd be like, oh my God, she really is doing that guy a favor.
	She's so much more attractive.
	Like, people would be saying that.
	Yes, I'm a music video model.
	Have you seen music videos recently?
	I have.
	Some of those music videos, they've got some stuff that they pulled out from the back trash can in those music videos.
	Yeah, but that's not me.
	Yo, chat.
	Who's settling for who, chat?
	Or is it a match?
	A looks match.
	Who's settling for who?
	Okay.
	You are a 10.
	You gave me a 7.
	What?
	Why do you laugh at that?
	Yo, chat.
	Who's settling for who?
	It's peep.
	A match?
	Brian settling.
	Pull it up.
	Show us the chat.
	Show me the chat.
	You know what?
	Put it on Twitch and put it on Twitch so the stream can see.
	No, just put it on Twitch.
	Put it on Twitch and leave the chat.
	Does that make sense?
	Ah, it's too late now.
	F11, can you go F11?
	and then are you able to get the chat you should still be able to get just show us the chat Yo, who's settling, boys?
	Me and the background dancer in music videos.
	Can you make it bigger?
	Click on the white part.
	No, no, Just click on the white part.
	Just click on any white part and you're just and then control mouse wheel up.
	Control mouse wheel up.
	Oh, okay, fuck it.
	All right, chat.
	Are we settling, boys?
	Brian is out of their league.
	Brian Seddling, he would be settling.
	Brian Seddling.
	Your loyal fan.
	Okay, and then racks on racks.
	Who's settling?
	She's a 10.
	I'm a 7.
	I'm a lowly, she gave me a very, she ranked me higher than I rank myself, so.
	So to be fair, to be fair, I need to lose a bit of weight.
	So I don't know.
	Can I rank you the highest?
	She did give me the highest ranking.
	Yeah, so excuse me.
	Brian doesn't have a job.
	Bro, this is my job.
	Brian, okay, all right.
	And then I want to do, oh, Callie, between me and the girl with the orange-tinted glasses.
	She gave me a six and she's an 11.
	Is she a settling for me, boys?
	Chat.
	And then finally, Milena over here.
	Her.
	With the beautiful downturned eyes.
	Is that a bad quality?
	No.
	No, your eyes are beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	Yeah.
	Like half moon down.
	She gave me a.
	Was it a five?
	Why'd you bring up my downturned eyes?
	I was complimenting you.
	Were you actually?
	Of course.
	That's rude.
	What do you mean?
	I didn't say anything rude about your look.
	You said that was a five, bro.
	You said that was a five.
	You all said you were a five.
	Yeah, but bro, you said you were an eight, so you're like settling for me, bro.
	I don't know, Milena.
	I feel like we're probably like looks match.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's hilarious.
	It's true, bro.
	Okay.
	Yo, chat.
	Are we looking?
	Me and Milena, are we looks match?
	Chat?
	Chat.
	Chat disappeared.
	Are we looks matched, chat?
	Chat, what does it say?
	Match.
	Is it a match?
	Of course it is.
	They're Brian's fans.
	No, but if they wanted to be mean, they'd be like, nah, Brian, you don't even look her way, bro.
	What do you think?
	Match, but chair.
	Brian is better.
	Someone said no.
	Brian's settled.
	I saw one no.
	Match.
	We're sticking with the no.
	Match.
	Wait, yo, yo, yo, chat, Hold on.
	Pull up young Brian again.
	Is young Brian settling for her?
	I'd fuck young Brian.
	What the?
	You look good.
	Is young Brian?
	Is young Brian settling for Milena?
	Whoa, don't laugh like that, bro.
	That's a good match.
	Did you hear her laugh?
	She was like quivering over it.
	Like, that's crazy.
	Oh, save that shit for later.
	I mean, after this.
	Am I settling, boys?
	All right.
	Wait, okay, okay.
	Final thing on the looks thing.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Natasha, you're 30.
	In 10 years' time, you'll be 40.
	Will you be better looking at 40 than you are now at 30?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you're 30 now?
	Were you better looking 10 years ago at 20?
	No.
	Better looking.
	When did you peak?
	Now?
	Recently.
	Recently.
	Yeah, I'd say like the last couple years.
	Good to know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You're 32.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 42?
	Yeah, because you know, black don't crack.
	I thought you were like Afro-Latina.
	I am, but I'm black.
	But okay, that's fair.
	So 20 years' time, 52?
	I'm not going to be 52.
	Oh, you said that.
	Oh, you're going to die?
	You're going to be like, I thought you said 10 years, and then I just realized who said 20.
	Okay, my bad.
	My bad.
	You said it so fast.
	I didn't come back.
	So, yeah, 20 years' time, 52.
	Better look at that.
	I still don't look good.
	Yeah, yeah, 100%.
	Just to be clear, women can be beautiful 30, 40, 50.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm just saying, like, compared to how you look now.
	You could still be attractive.
	I'm just saying, will you be more attractive in 10 years, 20 years, etc.?
	Okay, in 10 years, I think I could still be about equal.
	20 years?
	20 years, I think I'm going to be more attractive now than later.
	Okay, and then you're 32.
	If we go back 10 years, were you better looking at 22 versus now at 32?
	I would say I looked very different, but I think it's equal.
	Like, I was thicker back then.
	Thicker.
	Yeah, like, thicker, like, more active.
	Yeah, like, yeah.
	So I was like more thick there, but I was always like in shape and stuff.
	So I just was bigger on the down, downward part.
	More ass.
	Yeah, so, but.
	You had what they call a bedonka donk.
	Yes, I did.
	I was dragging the wagon.
	Yeah.
	You were dragging the wagon.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	All right.
	But better looking now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think I do my makeup better.
	Better at 32 versus 22.
	Okay, you're 27.
	Better looking now or in 10 years' time at 37?
	I think better in 37.
	Okay, how about 20 years time 47?
	I'll look better now.
	Okay, and then going back, 18 versus 27.
	Now I look better.
	Okay.
	You're 35, better looking in 10 years' time at 45?
	Ah, yes, I'll have more money, maybe plastic surgery.
	Why are you dead?
	I'm gonna have more money.
	I'll look better.
	Okay, great.
	He wants me to like hate myself, dude.
	But oh, you'll have more money for the plastic surgery.
	I thought you were just saying I have more, like, men don't care about that shit.
	Like, I'll have more money, and you know, I'll have maybe a little nip and talk here and there.
	It'll look, it'll look a little together.
	What if you didn't have that, like, the plastic surgery, though?
	Better at 45?
	Um, if I have the money, yes.
	I think money makes you hotter.
	Because you're not, you're not struggling as much, and you're not constantly like, you know, you take care of yourself better.
	20 years' time at 55.
	Better looking than now.
	Hopefully, I'll be dead by then.
	Why would 50?
	The average life expectancy is like 70, 80 or something.
	Oh, you want to be dead?
	Damn, bro, that's funny.
	Look better than now at 55?
	Damn, bro.
	We're having like a good time.
	I was like insulting everybody's looks and shit.
	Now you gotta make it all negative and shit.
	No, at 55, I think I look better.
	Sorry.
	I think now.
	Better.
	Better now.
	What'd you do?
	I'm 55.
	So better looking now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you're 35?
	Were you better looking at 25, 10 years ago, 25?
	Ah, yes.
	25.
	You are 25, better looking in 10 years' time at 35.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32.
	I think I'll look better.
	I'll look more womanly.
	More as opposed to your current pre-pubescent bot.
	Like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	I would hope to have like kids by then, so I think my ideas will get bigger.
	Wait, I thought you said that having a baby destroys your body.
	I didn't say that.
	Oh, she's in that.
	That was me.
	My valid.
	Not me.
	What about...
	Wait, so...
	I'm also a personal trainer, so I think if I keep being consistent in the gym, I'm just going to look.
	Can you do some Reiki Reiki right now?
	No, you asked me last time, too.
	All right.
	Whatever.
	And then, wait, 20 years' time, 42?
	Better looking?
	No.
	Okay.
	Darkavia, 23, better looking in 10 years' time, 33?
	No?
	No.
	Okay.
	There's actually pretty reasonable answers on this one.
	Some people be saying, we've had panelists say, oh, I'll be better looking at 72 versus now at 22.
	It's like, okay.
	So that's wild.
	Reminder, guys, TTS is $100.
	Normally it's $200, guys, so get it in.
	Get it in if you want.
	Oh, thank you.
	Sorry for the delay, Michael Jones.
	Michael Jones donated $100.
	Brian would be settling for any of these women.
	Know your worth, King.
	You're loyal fans.
	You didn't even ask to chat about us, Brian.
	I feel left out.
	About who?
	You and me.
	Or me.
	Can you rate all of us, Brian, on looks?
	Yeah, you didn't rate any of us on looks.
	That's right.
	Fucking right, Michael Jones.
	No, you're worth king.
	Wait, what?
	What do you want?
	Can you rate us all on looks?
	I was a 10-2.
	You're supposed to have to chat about us.
	You want you, G. I'll only rate you guys if you each individually give me the green light to do it.
	Green light.
	I give you green.
	Green light.
	It's just your opinion.
	Green light.
	Yeah.
	Green light.
	I don't care.
	You're fine with it?
	Yeah.
	You're fine.
	You don't have to.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	Are you doing that?
	Are we doing just looks?
	Yes, just looks.
	So I think we'll do split and then like move it around as I go around.
	Six.
	I need to see you with your hair down, but.
	And it looks different in many ways down to.
	Five and a half.
	Five.
	You said.
	I mean, right now with clothes on and then there's a whole naked thing.
	I'm going to say three and a half now, four and a half.
	You don't know how I look.
	I don't know.
	Fine, whatever.
	Six.
	Five and a half.
	I give you seven.
	Yeah.
	I give you seven.
	I said my average man, if I was in a room with a thousand men, my average would be six.
	So that's good.
	I changed my answer.
	She's a six.
	Jake is a ten.
	Actually, no, sorry.
	Because of Australia, nine.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	It's an accent.
	It's crazy.
	Can't do it, man.
	I'm sorry.
	Yo, chat, do you agree?
	Am I pretty on point?
	Chat.
	They don't, well, they're like, chill out.
	Chill out on Darkavia.
	They're saying I gave you a point too high.
	They're saying I was a bit too, I give you a point too high.
	We all know that's probably the truth.
	So I won't humble you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You guys asked for it.
	I, as a gentleman, I refused to do that, but you guys gave me the green light.
	Dude, that's the problem.
	Like, she's a beautiful girl, and you're already brainwashing her to be like, I'm humble.
	I'm humble.
	I'll be humble.
	You're a 12.
	If I'm an 11, you're a 15.
	God forbid people are humble, huh?
	Yeah, but not to the point where it's like low self-esteem.
	No, like, I'm definitely telling my worth in the eyes of men.
	It could be different.
	At three and a half, I should have given you a four.
	That's it.
	I take my six back.
	I take it back.
	And then I was like, retribution.
	He's a nine.
	I take that back, too.
	Retribution.
	That's it.
	I take it back.
	I mean, I didn't see you.
	The thing, it's really unfair to you.
	I didn't see you naked, so I can't.
	And you never will now.
	Forgive me a three or four.
	So you're saying before, though.
	Of course, maybe.
	If I had rated you higher, if I'd given you a higher rating after the show, she would have hot shells.
	She would have thought about it, but now the thought is gone.
	All right.
	Damn, I really missed out.
	You did.
	Okay, good talk.
	Let's see here.
	Anyways, oh, let's get, we got to get through the notes.
	We got to get through the notes here because we didn't even get through all of Jillian, so I'm going to try to get through these quick.
	You said you think women are a major part in setting the tone for how emotionally healthy the relationship is.
	You wholeheartedly believe that if a woman has not communicated her need or want to her man, she cannot complain or expect him to act or do something when all she did was roll her eyes and expect him to know what she's thinking.
	Yeah, I think it goes back to what I was saying before about how men and women communicate with each other.
	But I think the problem starts with the woman not like being a little bit more gracious.
	Because I think we are emotionally high.
	We talk a lot more.
	We have all those qualities, and they can very easily turn the man off to them if they don't are able, if they're not able to communicate those thoughts and feelings.
	Sure.
	You also wrote, you have a disagreement with me about my viewpoint on why I don't want to get married.
	You said marriage is constant work.
	You have to put in equally and you have to be committed.
	When that happens, when people are that, that's when people are the happiest in marriage.
	I say that it's incentivized for a woman to divorce a man when they get older.
	There's some stuff like when she's 45, kids trying to divorce her husband because she's not happy.
	She's believing a lie.
	She's not as young and attractive as she was at 20.
	Even if she gets his money, she'll be lonely and unfulfilled as she abandoned her roles and commitments.
	That's your position.
	You said women and men need to have principle and to stand by what they believe, even if they can't see how the future will pan out.
	So if Brian says a woman will not love him unconditionally and will eventually leave him, that will probably be a self-fulfilling prophecy and he won't experience true love and contentment.
	So you disagree with my anti-marriage positions.
	I do.
	How do you reconcile your positions here, though?
	You yourself are a divorcee who initiated the divorce, and you mentioned unconditional love, but it appears to me that there were conditions in which your love ceased to exist for your now ex-husband.
	Yeah, I can see the contradiction.
	So do you believe in unconditional love to start?
	I didn't.
	I did.
	As you do now?
	Yeah, I do.
	So you were mistaken to have divorced your husband?
	I think that I was on biblical grounds.
	I had the right to do it, but I think I was at a different mindset and a different belief then.
	And I don't live in a way that, oh, if I did it over again, what's done is done.
	Okay.
	But I guess my confusion here, and I know that not all relationships pan out the way in which yours did, given my anti-marriage positions, couldn't I just use your own, like you as an example?
	Because you said, well, love him unconditionally.
	And you're saying that because I don't believe in unconditional love, what if I marry a woman who is not at this sort of what's the word?
	Shit.
	It's what's the word for it?
	Enlightened, who has not reached the level of post-divorce enlightenment that you've arrived at.
	What happens when I marry that woman and then she divorces me?
	Yeah, I think it's a very careful choice you have to make because it should be locked in for life.
	And unfortunately.
	Oh, yeah.
	But so you would love a man unconditionally?
	Yeah, especially.
	What if he struck you?
	That's not cause for divorce.
	I mean.
	But unconditionally means like unconditionally.
	So we can take it to some pretty big extremes right now.
	I could.
	Well, there are biblical reasons to end it.
	Like I don't want to get caught in the weeds here, but I think you're my position now and the way you view marriage is because you haven't found someone that is that you are looking at and saying, I don't want to lose this person.
	Wait, hold on.
	Yeah.
	So there's two things to contend with here.
	You just said, I don't want to lose this person.
	Wouldn't I be inclined, like, do you think unconditional love can exist prior to marriage?
	It's, it possibly, yeah.
	What do you mean, possibly?
	Wouldn't that be a condition?
	I will only love you this much unless we get married.
	That's a condition.
	I think there's a vulnerability and a trust and a loyalty that sets in when you marry someone that you might not experience outside of marriage because there's always a condition?
	Okay, yeah, for sure.
	Then I don't know if you can unconditionally love someone outside of marriage because.
	Okay, but once marriage exists, then unconditional love can exist.
	Yes.
	Only then.
	I think through the grace of God.
	I think that when you're talking about unconditional love, the only time that you can really sort of say that is with a child.
	I agree.
	I think the love you have for a child is much more than that.
	When it comes to the spouse.
	Like, if you found out, and this is, we won't go deep into this, obviously, but that your husband had been diddling kids for 10 years and you had no idea, you'd get out of there pretty quickly and you wouldn't look back.
	That's a crime.
	Yeah, he'd probably go to jail.
	But I think marriage is supposed to be a picture of Christ in the church.
	So Christ's love for the church is unconditional, and marriage is supposed to picture that.
	It's a broken, it's a broken picture of the spirit.
	Even within the church, you can get an annulment if there's violence or if there's cheating or things like this.
	So even within the Christian fancy, you can get a divorce for those.
	Yeah, for sure.
	And it's completely justified.
	So yeah.
	I think there's a semantic problem with the word unconditional, which doesn't apply to you.
	But I'm just confused with the whole condition stuff.
	Jake raises a good point that we can all, we don't need to state them, but I'm sure we could think of like scenarios where like there's really abusive behavior either towards you or to a child or to an animal.
	Like we could think of like monstrous behavior.
	Yeah.
	Like unconditional love would mean that despite monstrous behavior, you would stay with this person.
	Because like my point of view, whether you're religious or not religious, I think if somebody is like there's severely abusive or monstrous behavior, that's grounds.
	Even theologically, that would be grounds for divorce.
	I'm not an expert in.
	I agree.
	I think what my position is, ideally, it's unconditional because it's a picture of what we believe as Christians.
	But we're in a fallen world.
	We're in a sinful world.
	Stuff happens.
	And that's why it says in Matthew, from the beginning it wasn't so, but because of the sinfulness and the hardness of hearts.
	So I have a couple questions on this.
	So you say that it'll probably be a self-fulfilling for me.
	And I won't experience true love and contentment because I don't think a woman will love me unconditionally and could eventually leave me.
	I think if you tell yourself something over and over again, then you're just going to believe it.
	But so why would it be, I mean, I'm not sure I'd totally follow the logic.
	Like, for example, do you think that women who take precautions for safety reasons prior to going out on a date with a man, like maybe meeting them in the public place, that if you think this, it's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	And if you take the precautions, that it's going to mean that it's going to happen to you.
	There's a difference between smart and then having that preconceived repetitive thought going through you.
	But I'm just confused.
	So my concern with marriage is there are legitimate risks when it comes to money, when it comes to marrying the wrong woman.
	And I think because of what you believe, that's really valid because I don't know the kind of, I don't really know the kind of women that you date.
	So maybe the kind of women that you date, that's 100% valid.
	What if I told you I only date beautiful, amazing women who are the most sweetest, nicest women ever?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So why don't you want to change?
	People change.
	Like, for example, in the relationship you have, did he change?
	I don't think he changed.
	I just don't think I saw what.
	So, just to be clear, didn't you, like, wasn't there like abuse in your marriage?
	So, he was abusing.
	You chose to get married to an abuser person?
	I didn't know.
	I didn't know that was the case.
	We didn't live together until no, we didn't live together until I didn't know.
	There were signs that he was.
	I ignored those signs.
	But he never actually got to that point until we lived together.
	Would you advocate for me to live together with a woman prior to marriage?
	I don't.
	I don't think it's good.
	Okay, so what if I marry a woman and I haven't lived with her, and then post-marriage, she starts abusing me?
	Well, again, I think that's why you have to really get to know the person.
	I'm not saying you should get married with someone after knowing them for a week.
	That's crazy.
	Or like a couple months, you know?
	Like, make sure you really know the person.
	Okay.
	Can I ask from a from Brian's worldview?
	He's not necessarily, I don't think you're a Christian yet.
	I have, I, I'm not Christian, but I have like pro-Christian sentiments.
	Right, culturally Christian.
	It's more so, like, I'm agnostic, but like, I'm not, like, there's a lot of people.
	Do you think that Jesus is God?
	I don't, I'm not.
	Religious.
	Yeah, you wouldn't be.
	Yeah, okay.
	But I'm not like F-religion.
	I'm like, there's a lot of positive with religion.
	I have a lot of religious friends.
	I think there's like a lot of like truth in like Bible verses and stuff.
	And I have positive sentiments towards the faith.
	Yeah.
	But I am agnostic.
	Gotcha.
	So from that point of view, would you say that largely these days that marriage is considered a religious institution or like a political institution or a government institution?
	Sorry?
	Religious.
	But do you think that the wide consensus amongst people generally is that that's a religious sacrament or do you think that's just something that you do to sort of cross your vows?
	Yeah, I think it's socially like more common for people to get married to, but I do think it's more for religious reasons.
	Yeah.
	I guess the reason that I ask is because the way I view it these days is that for the most part, the idea of marriage itself being a union ordained by God has been completely corrupted to the point where now it's viewed as like a secular government institution where you can join your bank accounts, basically.
	So from the secular perspective, when that's all it is, what's actually the point in getting married at all if you don't believe that it's something that's ordained by God and that it comes with those strict parameters?
	I think it's not opening yourself up to live a vulnerable and full life.
	I think when you do lock it in with that person for life, you're opening yourself up to a huge amount of vulnerability and trust and loyalty.
	And by not doing that, you're kind of just only half doing it and you're not really getting the full experience.
	But like if you are like a Christian, like you say you are, and I'm going to say you are, why would you want people to get married who don't believe in the sacraments and who don't actually believe in them getting married except to live a full, like to experience life at a deeper person?
	Why would you encourage someone to get married if they did not want to do it through the church or if they didn't want to do it in a way that actually represents what marriage is supposed to be?
	Well, our society was built on the family unit.
	So you're looking at it more of a utilitarian sort of perspective.
	It's like the utility of people having a nuclear family and having a two-parent household is good for society rather than it being that marriage is actually something that's ordained by God and that we have to stick to those parameters.
	I think that that kind of makes sense from your perspective, but from the secularist perspective, I actually can't really even see a good reason to get married considering the risks.
	If you look at it as the secular sort of institution that it's sort of become these days, I mean, like, there's so much risk involved.
	And if you don't believe in that sort of spiritual side of it, then I can sort of see Brian's perspective.
	That argument of like, well, if it is good for society and we're not doing it because it's a huge risk, isn't that the same argument that women take when it comes to having kids?
	Like, it's good for society, but it's a big risk for them.
	What do you mean by that?
	So you're saying that men shouldn't get married if they don't have religious beliefs because it's a huge risk.
	It's just that there's no like meaning and there's no incentive.
	It doesn't really mean anything because marriage is something that's a religious sector.
	For sure.
	Isn't that the same logic, though, when it comes to women having kids?
	We would say it's good for society, it's good for all that, but then it puts them in a vulnerable position, it puts them at risk for kids outside of wedlock, maybe.
	Which most of the time they are because they're not getting married.
	Yeah, but having kids is obviously good for society and you want it to be inside of the nuclear activity.
	Isn't like a nuclear family good for society too?
	Yeah, it is.
	You need marriage.
	I'm not saying that from the utilitarian perspective that that isn't a correct point of view because it is a correct point of view to want people to get married and have kids.
	But if you're looking at from like more of an individualistic perspective of like, what are my values?
	If you step into Brian's shoes for a second.
	Isn't that the problem though that we're so individualistic?
	Yeah, I know.
	It is a problem.
	And I'm saying ideally that everybody would be getting married and it would be like a religious sacrament and everything.
	But if you actually had to step into his shoes for a second and think, no, I'm not a religious person.
	I don't believe in marriage as it should be necessarily.
	Why should he actually get married?
	I don't think he has any reason to get married, you know, except that it would be good for society and all that.
	But, you know, if he doesn't want to get married, he's not going to get married.
	and i don't have anything against that like for him to not get married well we we won't linger too long on this one but um uh well you also wrote when it comes to atheists being opposed to marriage it just means that they don't have the balls trust or loyalty to lock it in with that person for life.
	Yeah, I kind of talked about that with Jake when you were up.
	Oh, I mean, I was listening to everything.
	But I mean, so when it comes to the whole having kids family, you can have an monogamous for-life relationship with a woman.
	What are the statistics of that?
	Doesn't matter of that happening right now?
	Like, is that, do people do that right now?
	What do you mean?
	Do people do people have like kids and stay with each other without marriage?
	All the time.
	So what is the, what are the stats on that?
	I'm not sure.
	Tell me.
	Why don't you tell me the divorce statistics?
	Oh, they're high.
	They're probably closer to like 60, 70%.
	Well, then wouldn't this just be evidence that even with marriage, like most of them end?
	Yeah, I'm not saying it's.
	Okay, so then why should I get married?
	You're saying, well, oh, what's the statistics?
	I'll just throw right back in your face the statistics when it comes to marriage, which are like the outcome of the world.
	Which are really bad.
	Yeah.
	Really bad for that.
	It's going to worse if you look at it from a secularist because the Christians are sort of like holding up the fort in the sense that they don't get divorced as much.
	But then if you looked at just the secularists, and especially liberal women who are college educated, it's like a humongous.
	Yeah, it's a much deeper issue than marriage, for sure.
	Yeah, but I mean, I can have kids.
	Don't need marriage.
	I can have a lifetime girlfriend.
	We have kids.
	We live in the same house together.
	Why do I need marriage?
	I mean, you're always just going to have the option to dip.
	She does, we do.
	Hold on.
	But in a marriage, you always have the option to dip.
	Oh, so it just makes it harder.
	So like we're staying together because it's harder for us to leave each other.
	Is that a good reason to stay with somebody?
	I think you should stay with somebody.
	Also, it's giving me the choice.
	You go to the courthouse, get the divorce.
	Like, I mean, maybe you get a lawyer to do it.
	The lawyer handles everything.
	It's not that hard.
	Hello, lawyer.
	I want a divorce.
	Okay, cool.
	Spend like an hour with me on the phone.
	We'll go over everything.
	Divorce.
	Yeah, there's a lot of issues.
	Wait, just to be clear, you think like an hour on the phone with an attorney, like that's that's not a good solution, no.
	I think people should try and work through their marriages.
	Okay.
	So here, how about last thing on this?
	And I'll open it up to the any of the panel if you guys want to weigh in.
	I could give you a bunch of reasons why I don't want to get married, but I'd actually rather hear.
	Why should I, as a man, like give me a compelling reason why I should get married?
	I don't have one.
	Then why should men get married?
	If you can't, like, as a imagine a salesman.
	I go to, I go to, hey, why should I buy this car?
	And they're like, fuck if I know, the car kind of sucks.
	That's like a bad, that's a bad sale.
	There's actually a study from Harvard that says that men that don't get married are way more miserable than women that don't get married.
	Because you guys need like your mommy next to you.
	And they don't live as long as well.
	Yeah, that's what I just said.
	But if you look at that, like, is it controlling for other variables?
	Marriage.
	Like, it's literally just looking at, like, okay, we're looking at all the unmarried men and all the married men.
	Like, I mean, is it because they're married that they're living in the middle of the marriage married versus unmarried men?
	I think that generally you'd tend to see a higher level of like risk-taking from unmarried men and like personality traits that would put them, make them a little bit more edgy.
	And you'd see a lot of guys who are sort of normie would be more likely to get married.
	So maybe they're dying.
	And I don't know if this is factored into the statistics, but couldn't you like make the argument that they're like men who have made it to the point where they do get married, it's not factoring in people who like, but then this would also factor in like men who are married who like die in some like freak fucking accidents.
	I was going to say like the unmarried men never got married.
	So maybe they never mind.
	That's a terrible argument.
	Okay, I'm taking that one back.
	Wait, so do you think marriage is obsolete now?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And the laws around it are dog shit.
	Unfortunately, that's something that's been imposed upon society, though.
	Yeah, it shouldn't be that way.
	You have something?
	It's okay.
	I was just going to say that I think if you're going back to what a marriage should be, if people actually upheld on both ends what they should be providing in the marriage and what they're expecting the partner to be providing for them, then I think our divorce rates would be a lot lower.
	But because of how modern dating and modern relationships and the dynamics of the modern world factoring into marriages is why it doesn't work.
	I think I agree with you.
	Like for men, I don't think it's beneficial.
	Like back in the day, it used to be like a transactional thing.
	Like they didn't want daughters.
	They wanted sons because a son holds the last name and you know, like that's how you keep your land or your titles, things like that.
	Your daughter was like property that was, you know, kind of sold.
	And it's like, if you could, I don't know.
	So I feel like marriage back then and stuff was like.
	Actually, marriage, the reason why people have gotten married throughout history, like the most common reason is for in-laws to marry into families and to have a higher social status.
	Yeah, that was my point of what I was getting at.
	Like back then, it was like even nowadays it's still transactional in a sense for like men because like they're taking more of the risks than like us women do more times more often than not.
	So it was more political.
	Moving on to the rest of the notes.
	Wait, does anybody here do OF?
	What is that?
	I got to say we had a hoe free.
	There you go.
	Oh, wait.
	She, Millennium, you, oh, you used to do OF?
	I did for like two months, two years ago.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Used to.
	You say, Jill, you think OnlyFans and any S work should be illegal and banned.
	Women are being served a big fat lie that through feminism they can have it all.
	They will never be truly fulfilled or find meaningful purpose to life if they buy into the feminist ideology.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then you also say, I guess moving on, women don't try and understand men.
	If we did, we would stop seeing them as a problem, but more of a prize.
	I wasn't disagreeing.
	Oh, okay.
	Going to Callie with our notes here.
	And then we got to do the age thing, if you can remind me, Damien.
	You said a guy wanted you to peg him.
	Oh, God, yes.
	What's the story?
	And didn't become traumatized.
	No, I said no, and then we had sex, right?
	And then like 12 hours after, I go to get a charger in his room, like my phone charger.
	There's this tiny Mexican girl on top of him with a huge yes.
	Wait, hold on.
	Where did she come from?
	Yeah, where did she come from?
	Okay, so you went to the toilet, and in that time, no, no, no.
	I slept there.
	You didn't know about the Mexican girl?
	I didn't know she was pegging him.
	I had no idea.
	But you knew that she was present?
	No, she got there after, like, a gremlin during the night.
	Housekeeper or something?
	No, they were seeing each other, but apparently this girl goes around and pegs a bunch of dudes.
	She's with the same peg?
	Yeah.
	Wait, she was pegging him.
	Yes.
	So you went to the bathroom, you walked in, the guy who you just slept with, getting pegged by a Mexican lady.
	Yes, hence, shaved my head, thought the universe was over.
	Wait, how long were you dating this guy?
	Not even that long.
	Like a month.
	It wasn't that serious, but it broke me.
	Like, it's like, damn.
	I just, I've never seen that before.
	And then I googled it, and a lot of people are into it.
	So you went to the toilet.
	You went to the toilet.
	Did you take long in the toilet?
	No, it wasn't that I went to the toilet.
	So we had sex the night before and I slept there.
	And when I wake up, I slept in a different room because I don't like to sleep with strangers.
	I'll have sex with them, but you know.
	You know what?
	I agree with her.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And then when I wake up, 12 hours or whatever, the next day, I go to get my charger.
	It is like 9 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday.
	And they are gone.
	I was like, oh my God, it's Sunday morning.
	Waiting service.
	I was like, I'm not even religious.
	But at that point, I thought I should start.
	Yeah.
	That is wild.
	Are you guys into that?
	No.
	Okay.
	You could be honest.
	Yeah, you could tell us.
	No.
	You won't traumatize her.
	What is this deal with that?
	Because now every five out of six guys are into it.
	No way.
	I've never been dating in LA.
	Do you live in LA?
	I live in Hollywood.
	You seem like you'd knock around weird circles, though.
	You know, I try not to, but the weirdos are every, it's Hollywood.
	I mean, LA is full of absolute freaks and weirdos.
	But that's a new thing.
	Are you a liberal?
	Are you a liberal?
	You like Kamala Harris?
	Ah, God.
	That's so funny.
	I'm a liberal, but not that liberal.
	Like, I thought I was.
	You said you went to art school?
	Yeah.
	I lived in one of the most liberal places in the world in London in Hackney Week before I was ever political at all.
	And they're all just freaks.
	All these people.
	That are like really sort of like artistic and stuff.
	They just do weird shit.
	Yeah, and I thought I was cool because I, you know, I'm an artist, but I'm not that cool.
	When I saw that, I was like, oh my God, like, I just, I don't know how to explain it.
	So you can wear the glasses, but you won't, you know.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm not down with the colour.
	I'm not open-minded.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know what?
	If that's what the guy's into, you know.
	Was he a liberal man?
	I guess, but.
	Liberal man, I've heard that they like that.
	But then it's like, don't say you're straight after that.
	You will never be straight after that.
	There's a group called What Dudes for Kamala.
	It's a bunch of like little liberal TikTok streamers.
	Apparently, they're all into that sort of stuff.
	That's what I heard.
	They love to be pegged.
	You said that you'd love to do it more.
	Wait.
	You'd love to do it more, but people suck at dates now.
	No one is trying anymore.
	By it.
	I mean it.
	Yes.
	You mean?
	Yes.
	Like today, before I got here.
	You fucked?
	No, I wanted to.
	I was like, let me just get into the move of whatever.
	I invite this guy over.
	He does nothing.
	He starts arguing about some conversation we had on the phone.
	I'm like, just let's do this.
	Like, this wasn't a play thing.
	Here.
	Okay, let's role play.
	No, I see.
	He comes over.
	Is he white guy, black guy, Latin?
	Black guy.
	So you would think he's about that.
	I would have thought he would be straight in there.
	I don't know.
	You're a darkia.
	Pretend to be a black guy.
	Go ahead, role play.
	Role play.
	Okay, so you come over, right?
	And I'm like, hey, what's up?
	Is he like America, like African-American?
	He's a black man.
	Tall, black dude.
	Did seven years in prison.
	Darkavia, bring that energy.
	Wait, seven years in prison?
	I mean, I'm guessing.
	I don't think.
	Role play as a tall, beautiful child who went to prison for what?
	I don't think he actually did go to prison.
	I'm just.
	Oh, you just.
	Hold on.
	Whoa, Hold on.
	How fucking dare you?
	Assuming?
	Because he's black.
	He did seven years in prison.
	He did say it.
	You mentioned it.
	Look into this camera and apologize to black people.
	He did do time.
	He did time.
	Which is what I like them to begin with.
	He's got that rough edge, you know?
	That's what attracted him to you.
	Because I have the...
	Obviously, you guys thought I was a lesbian when I first said that.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Yes, he did.
	I have that masculine vibe.
	So I got to go for even more masculine men, I think.
	But then those men, I don't know if they're afraid of me.
	I think they think I'm going to peg them.
	Like, I look like that.
	They are pegging vibes.
	I do.
	I don't know.
	You look like you want to bend over a dude.
	I do.
	And I don't want to.
	I really want to.
	You want a doggy style of dude.
	You got.
	How many strap-ons do you have?
	I'm very I'm a vanilla person I swear but You're vanilla?
	But then they think that I, you know, I'm into the other stuff.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So he just starts arguing with you.
	Yeah, and at that point, I was just so turned off because he made me wait like two hours.
	And it's like, dude, I sent you that text.
	He fumbled.
	He fucking fumbled the pussy.
	I mean, he's got a kid.
	He has a responsible adult.
	I'm losing brain cells listening to this.
	That is so rude.
	You need to apologize to Callie.
	How dare you?
	Milena.
	What do you, oh, you're losing brain cells?
	What do you want to talk about, Milena?
	How about you?
	Elevate the intellectual level of this conversation, Milena.
	You want to talk about stripping?
	What do you want to talk about?
	Go ahead.
	Why would I want to talk about that?
	I don't know.
	What do you want to talk about?
	Reiki, Reiki, you want to talk about Reiki?
	Let's talk about Reiki.
	Go ahead.
	Elevate.
	Let's talk about Buddha.
	I just don't think that all liberal men want to get pegged.
	Listen, it's actually category.
	They did studies on this.
	I did studies.
	Liberal men, 99% of them Want dildos in and around that's nothing like that.
	It's a study.
	Look at that.
	Is it really?
	Yes.
	Let a guy orgasm.
	I did the study.
	I just let a guy orgasm.
	Literally, just let it happen.
	Let them be happy.
	Yeah.
	But that's too high.
	Yeah, liberal men like to do that by getting out.
	Have you done that?
	Have you pegged someone?
	No, but if a man asked me, I'd probably be down.
	I can imagine you with some little, some little Chinese guy.
	Oh my gosh.
	Ah, geez.
	Yeah.
	Does the guy who wants to get pegged provide the thing?
	Or they just assume that you have that girl had a bug bag full of like stuff in there.
	Like she was armed.
	But hold on.
	How did you contribute to the argument?
	What argument?
	Today.
	With the dude.
	Yeah, because you said he came over and started arguing, but like, let's be real because he's been late.
	He's been talking to me.
	You know, he's been trying to talk to me.
	But he was two hours late.
	He was.
	Honestly, bro, I would pass up some pussy if she was two hours late.
	Oh, you're two hours late?
	Fuck you.
	I would start.
	I got you.
	So you got mad at him because he was late, and then he started arguing back.
	He's like, shut the fuck.
	I'm about to give you some dick.
	Why are you arguing with me?
	And you're like, man, fuck you.
	You're two hours late.
	I would, bro, I would blow two hours late.
	I don't care how hot she is.
	I've walked out of desk.
	I don't care how hot she is.
	I felt the definition of bumbling the pussy.
	If she's two hours late, goodbye.
	Blue balls.
	I feel like I got blue balls.
	I think being late in general is disrespectful.
	So you said this is why you shaved your head.
	Wait, what?
	No, because I saw a man getting pegged and I was, it was very upsetting.
	So this was like this guy was the to me, he was like a king.
	And then to see the king getting pegged, it was just, I was like, what is why?
	This is like one of your most traumatic experiences.
	I mean, of the year, yes.
	Of the last year.
	I think that's why I was so annoyed because I'm like, I wish that was my most traumatic experience.
	Imagine like that being what makes you have a mental breakdown.
	Just like that.
	I mean, it's pretty much dating.
	She's been dating this dude for a month and then like she goes to the bathroom, comes back like a little dwarf.
	Did you say she was a dwarf?
	A dwarf Mexican is pegging your man.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, I know that's pretty much a dwarf Mexican wearing a sombrero that literally came out of nowhere.
	It was a huge dildo, guys.
	Huge, black, huge.
	It was black.
	Yes, it was at least 10 or 12 inches.
	I was just like, how?
	It was a lot.
	It was just a lot.
	That sounds like a lot.
	You've never accidentally pressed on the wrong porn video or something.
	Like, that was the first time.
	Well, that's for me.
	Like, if you've seen it, why did it like traumatize you so much that you've shaved?
	I listened to it.
	That was my first time.
	It looks great.
	I'm just saying.
	That was my first time seeing it.
	But then I went and did some research after I saw it and went down the rabbit hole of the porn.
	Oh my God.
	What happens is bad.
	After a while, like the couples that get older and keep doing the pegging.
	Yeah, it's bad, guys.
	What the?
	There's like metal baskets for the balls.
	It's just now.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's how I felt.
	That's how I felt.
	Chat.
	If the hottest girl ever, if she's two hours late, you gotta.
	It's I you gotta have some self-respect.
	I mean, yeah.
	It's like you don't wait two hours.
	No, two hours is crazy.
	I don't know.
	Maybe 20 minutes.
	So if you got it after you made somebody wait two hours, what does that say?
	If she waits two hours for me, yeah.
	What does that say?
	She's a wonderful woman who's considerate of my I would never be that late though.
	Adam been that late.
	I would never wow, you're a terrible person.
	Adam been that late.
	Did he smash?
	Did he still smash?
	Yeah, I still got it.
	You were two hours late and he still smashed?
	Yeah, we ended up getting food first, smoked, filled for a second, then.
	He was pressed.
	Or you got a magical pussy.
	I don't know.
	It's either one.
	Potentially both.
	It could be both.
	Okay.
	Moving on to the rest of the show notes, Callie, you said you miss when men were nice to women because they wanted/slash needed sex from them.
	Okay, that's taken out of context.
	But you know how, you know, back in the 50s, when we're talking about like marriage and you're talking about that stuff a lot.
	I feel like back then they were nicer to us because the vagina was more.
	I don't even know how to say it, but you know how stock the stock market is just like when something goes too much, it loses value.
	The vagina now is just like a frisbee.
	It's depreciation.
	And it's just like, oh, you bought me a coffee?
	Open the lit.
	You know what I mean?
	Like it's just like, we're just giving it out.
	You're saying the value of pussy.
	Because we're just.
	Because they're giving out too much pussy.
	Right.
	Women giving out too much pussy.
	Right.
	So guys don't feel the need to be nice.
	The cost of pussy.
	Yeah.
	And so you don't feel the need to be nice to us anymore.
	Because it's like, oh, well, I can just treat her like shit and she still gave me the pussy.
	You know what I mean?
	Wow.
	That's funny.
	Oh, not cool, man.
	Yo, ladies, is she kind of right?
	Do you feel like she's right?
	Yeah, I think she's right.
	I agree.
	Yeah, I agree too.
	You agree to me?
	Because even if you try to be like, oh, like, I'm not going to give it up or something like that.
	Like, I want to have some self-respect on the first date or something, like, going back to that little topic.
	Like, some girls are just like, yeah, fuck it.
	It's the first day.
	I have a question.
	We're grinding.
	You guys have flooded the market with pussy.
	What's up?
	A question for you.
	So, have you ever heard of the 90-day method?
	No, what's up?
	Okay, so there's a 90-day method of when girls wait 90 days before sleeping with a man that they're interested in.
	And how would you feel if you knew about the 90-day method and a woman took upon herself to do the 90-day method on you?
	Will you be okay with waiting 90 days?
	Is she a virgin?
	Is she a virgin?
	No, she just, she wants to build.
	She's trying to build.
	It's nice to meet you.
	No, no, no.
	Goodbye.
	But listen, listen.
	But she's trying to like, she's trying to build her self-confidence back because she did sleep around, you know?
	Like, if she did do that and she was just like, yeah, I need to change my ways.
	I don't want to be that person anymore.
	You know what I mean?
	So like, would you like?
	If the market is too flooded with pussy, she said, okay, but what if I'm going to find some other pussy?
	Okay, what if I'm not waiting 90 days?
	Okay, hypothetically, what if she was doing 90 days with everybody that she slept with?
	What do you mean?
	Like, all like her, let's her body counts three.
	Like, she's like, every single guy waiting 90 days.
	And it just didn't work out after 90 days.
	She's got to give me 60.
	And then I'll accept, you know what?
	I'll be a nice guy.
	I'll do 60.
	That's all you get.
	If it's true that she only did 90.
	In fact, you know what?
	But she already did three.
	No.
	For every guy, it goes down 15 days.
	So for every other guy, it's 45 days.
	45 days, a month and a half.
	That's it.
	That's all I can do.
	Okay.
	I was just curious.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Why 15 for a guy?
	It's got to be 90 for the first guy, 75 for the next, 60.
	You can't.
	Okay, but what if a girl, like, okay, let's say, like, she slept around, but she was always safe with it.
	You know, like, safe?
	Safe.
	She worked.
	Okay, she worked around.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, what if she was safe?
	You know, like, she took precautions into being, staying clean and doing all thingy thing.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, what would like.
	Doesn't matter.
	It's better.
	Look, that's better than if she was letting a bunch of dudes hit raw.
	Sure.
	But it's still, you know.
	What are you going to like ask?
	Tell you what, I'll give like a one day.
	I'll give one extra day per guy.
	So instead of like 15, it's like 14.
	Okay.
	So in a perfect world, you're saying there's no redemption for a girl in a perfect world.
	Would you rather have a virgin?
	Absolutely.
	It's not, I don't, like, I'll date a girl who's not a virgin, but like.
	Ask the question in the inverse.
	If you say, in a perfect world, would you like to have another man have fucked your girl?
	No?
	So then you'd like a virgin.
	I just wouldn't care.
	I personally wouldn't care about a man that I wouldn't really care about their past.
	I mean, like, I'm present.
	I'm, I'm relevant.
	That's all that matters.
	I don't want a virgin.
	I want somebody that makes it definitely different for girls and guys.
	Guys value that, girls don't.
	That's true.
	And they'd be like, oh, it feels different.
	Also, I think there's like a couple different angles here with the whole like the quality of the sex.
	So one, like, men are pretty simple to please.
	Like, for example, here, let me ask you guys this.
	Like, let me give my position first, then I'll ask the question.
	So I could put a girl in doggy style and she could just stay there and I could make myself come.
	Like, I could come just like, and she doesn't have to do anything, just be in doggy style.
	Can you guys make you, and maybe some of you can, but I think it's much more rare in women.
	If the guy is just laying there hard or put him in whatever position you want, and you can't touch yourself, can you make yourself come just doing your own thing on his dick?
	Some girls can.
	Some girls can.
	Not as common as the opposite, though.
	Right?
	So a man's sexual experience when it comes to your pleasure, your climax, is going to matter more because he has to actually do something to make you climax.
	Now, some of y'all are, some women can come in like 10 seconds, whatever, or like insanely orgasmic.
	The guy could just sit there, do nothing, and you can make yourself come.
	Do you guys want to answer that question?
	Could you make yourself?
	I can.
	Thank you.
	It's not going to be like in 10 seconds or something.
	And it's not necessarily like if we didn't come, it's not that it didn't feel good because some things can just feel good and it might get you there.
	But I feel like us, you have to stay on like a certain rhythm for a while.
	Like you guys went too nut, it's like, okay, it's done.
	For us, it's like it can last like a little longer and stuff.
	Like if you keep the stroke too, and it can be better.
	It can be stronger, you know, things like that.
	But yeah, I definitely can make myself come.
	But and then the other thing, like a guy who has some degree of sexual experience, like I mean, I don't know if you guys are trying to deal with dudes who aren't experienced and you got to like teach them how to fuck you.
	I feel like most women, like there's obvious certain things like you're gonna maybe there's certain things that you like, but like you probably would prefer a guy who's like, let's say he's really good in bed and he just gets it instantly versus you got to be like, you got to teach the guy how to fuck you.
	I think you're going to prefer the guy who just gets it.
	I think you'd be kind of turned off if you're like, you're not really doing it right.
	Whereas like as a guy, even if the girl has no idea what she's doing, if you know what you're doing as the guy, you can lead, you can have great sex with her.
	I'm not so sure if that's the case with like a really inexperienced guy in bed, if you would even want it or if you can even like have good sex with a guy that you got to teach how to fuck you.
	I feel like sometimes that ruins a guy's confidence in the like action of doing it more so than ours.
	Like, because if you hit it in the right spot after we told you, it's not going to be any different from if you knew what you were doing and hit the right spot.
	Because the right spot is going to feel like the right spot no matter if I told you how to get there or you knew how to get there yourself.
	But telling a man like he ain't doing a good job while he's hitting it, like, you know, that.
	Yeah, you shouldn't do that.
	Exactly.
	You shouldn't do that, but I mean, it just.
	So, I feel like it plays more for you guys.
	Like, it's more of a play for you guys than us.
	But it occurs to me, like, Ango, if a girl, like, if you got to kind of guide a girl, that would be more psychologically stimulating if she's just like, like, if she's just like, oh, been here, done this.
	That's why I'm not sure.
	Like, if she's never done doggy style, and I'm the one I think the girls who are less experienced, it's much, much more enjoyable sleeping with girls like that than girls who have had for the psychological stimulation component.
	Yeah, it's like the dynamic as well between the two of you.
	Melena doesn't like this very much.
	No, I mean, that makes sense from the guy perspective.
	I'm thinking about, I think because I'm so submissive, I don't want to have to teach a guy.
	Would it be a turnoff?
	Like, if you had a turn off, and I think also when I marry someone, I want to know that, like, they got it out of their system, not like that they've only been with me, and so they're like, I wish I experienced this, or like, I wish, you know, one reason.
	We want all in the system.
	Do you find it unattractive if a guy has a high body count?
	What was that?
	Do you find it unattractive if a guy has a high body count or like you know that they're like sleeping all around kind of thing?
	I think if they're currently sleeping all around, I would find that unattractive.
	But if they had a high body count in the past, no personally.
	So, Brian, do you think it's girls with the high body counts they can't redeem themselves?
	Like, they're just done.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, how you wouldn't, how you would prefer a virgin, but would you go for a girl that has a high body count, but no longer is like that?
	Like, you know, like, there's no redeeming that.
	You can't unfuck anyone.
	Yes, very fast.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It should be redeemable.
	Like, you can't just, like, you will never be like.
	She's not.
	What's a high body count?
	Like, what's high?
	Depends on her age, but.
	I mean, anything above, like, I mean, it depends.
	You mean on a personal level or in general?
	How old are you guys?
	More bald.
	29.
	35.
	What's what's up?
	I think these days, like, it's very common for girls to have like 20 plus.
	Yeah.
	20, 30, 40.
	But for me, but for me, if there's ever been any hookups in the past or one-night stands, it's automatically disqualified.
	And any, like, anything outside of relationships.
	Anything outside of relationships, that would be an automatic disqualification.
	But you count those, right?
	What do you mean?
	But you count everybody you had sex with.
	Like, the one who has a other person.
	No, everyone is counting, right?
	Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying with the woman, if I was dating a girl and she'd had like one-night stands and all of that, I just would never go for it.
	Right.
	But if she'd had a few boyfriends and they'd lasted a few years and she'd had sex with them, it wouldn't be that much of a problem, but ideally a virgin.
	Have you ever had a one-night stand?
	What does that matter?
	Just both.
	Just curious if you're okay with the answering.
	It doesn't even matter.
	Even if I did answer you, it wouldn't even matter.
	Answer is yes.
	I'm curious because I wonder if like why would it be okay if you've had one night stand to care if another woman has?
	Well because let me ask you this.
	Why is it okay for you to want a man who's over six foot tall if you're not over six foot tall?
	What?
	It's a pretty simple question.
	I mean like why is it okay for you to want a man to pay for the first date if you're not going to pay for the first date?
	I don't want any of those things.
	So what do you want in a man?
	Tell me.
	Tell me some of the features.
	I don't know.
	Do you want him to have long hair and stuff?
	You said you're submissive, right?
	Oh, so I want them to be dominant.
	Right.
	So then why is it fair for you to want dominance in a man, but you're not dominant yourself?
	You're saying in order for Jake to desist.
	In order for Jake to design it's wrong, I was just kidding.
	In order for Jake to desire a woman who's not had a one-night stand, it doesn't compute that he like just because he desires something in a partner doesn't mean that he has to meet that criteria.
	That makes sense.
	Otherwise, because there's asymmetry in relationship in what men and women like.
	Yeah.
	Why are you making that face, Ark, yeah?
	Well, what, you disagree?
	No, no.
	It just blows my mind how men were, bro.
	Like, why y'all exist?
	Oh my God.
	Y'all stressing out.
	That was coherent.
	No, but it's just like, and this is one of our questions here in the questionnaire, but like, there's not symmetry between what men want and what women want.
	And I don't think you need to possess a trait in order to desire it.
	So you're not dominant, but you want a dominant guy.
	I'm not submissive.
	I want a submissive woman.
	Maybe Jake had a one-night stand.
	He wants a woman who's had no promiscuity in her past.
	I don't think that's hypocritical.
	I don't think there's any issue with that.
	Women want all kinds of things in men that they don't possess.
	Every girl here would probably date a professional athlete.
	Are any of you professional athletes?
	No.
	Would any of you here?
	Who here would date a billionaire?
	Are any of you billionaires?
	No.
	I don't think you need to possess the trait that you desire in a partner to want it.
	It doesn't make you a hypocrite.
	You can be a broke woman and want a rich man.
	Doesn't make you a hypocrite?
	Nothing wrong with it.
	That's just naturally attractive.
	When it comes to female promiscuity, women who are not promiscuous, low body count, that's attractive to men.
	Yeah.
	And like, I'm happy to take on the duty and the burden of being a provider.
	But then I would never expect that out of my wife.
	You know, never expect that.
	And it is a big, large duty, but you just never expect that in return.
	But I would expect them to be chaste.
	What would you recommend to a woman that has had like a promiscuous past to become a more high-quality woman?
	Since they can't fully redeem themselves, what would you recommend?
	Did you want to take this first, Jake?
	Yeah, I'll take it.
	I'll take it.
	I'll go after.
	I would say that there are other things.
	Obviously, promiscuity and your past is one factor.
	And there are other things that you can seriously bring to a man's life.
	And there are going to be men who don't care as much about it.
	For me, it's just something that's really important.
	But if you can.
	The reason why I asked that question before was the thing that I was getting to when we were asking about what you guys would do at the job interview for the man, for the high-status man, is because there are a few things I always find it interesting to see girls' answers that you can do, that you can provide to a man that most women would never even really think about.
	And it's like, if you look at a guy who's successful and on his grind and a guy who is someone that you'd want to date, if you analyzed his life and you thought, where can I bring value to his life?
	Okay, he's really busy.
	He's a little bit messy.
	I'm going to come in and like clean up his room, do his laundry, all that sort of thing.
	Or maybe he's got something that I can do with work.
	I can help him with his emails or something like that.
	All of those little things are things that can easily set you apart from the rest.
	So if I was you or this hypothetical girl with a high body count, I would look at the guy and I would say, where can I bring value to the point where a few months down the line, three months, six months down the line, he's looking at me as somebody who's like, you know, irreplaceable.
	If I left his life, then it would be way harder.
	Do you think that people should do or women should do that regardless of body count prior to a marriage?
	Like you think that they should present wife qualities when they're not getting husband qualities?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	How else are you going to sell yourself?
	How else is a man going to sell himself?
	You know what I mean?
	But like, so why would I marry you if you're not showing me wife qualities?
	But by the same token, why would a woman show you wife qualities if they're not getting anything?
	So then we're just at a stalemate and just it'll never happen.
	So if I have someone who's my girlfriend and she's saying, I'm not going to do your laundry, I'm not going to make your bed.
	I'm not going to cook you food because I don't have a ring on my finger.
	I'd be like, all right, then fuck off.
	Well, wife qualities are more than cleaning and cooking.
	Like, just get them made.
	Wife qualities are way more than a moment.
	And what's she going to do?
	Just sit on her ass all day?
	No, she's going to support you emotionally.
	She's going to be a little bit more.
	They need to be supported emotionally.
	If you're a guy who's already achieved certain things in life, you've probably been through some shit.
	Maybe you could use a cuddle on a Sunday morning.
	Why are you guys so into men?
	Are you gay?
	Like, you're like, men are the shit.
	What do you mean?
	I'm confused.
	You keep saying like women are this and that and it's blah blah blah.
	No, no, no.
	I think I pretty much just date each other and go have fun in the bathroom.
	Let us watch.
	I think I actually actually pretty much.
	I think I actually pretty clearly just sort of laid it out as to like the value that a woman can bring to a man's life.
	It's just a matter of attitude.
	Cooking and cleaning.
	That's it.
	That's all.
	What else did I say?
	Bow.
	What else did I say?
	Laundry.
	Cooking, cleaning, making yourself make his life.
	And your life is what?
	Shit.
	Because you were born to be a relationship.
	He also said that he died.
	I don't think that makes you a piece of shit if you're being a lot of people talking.
	You wanted to ask a question.
	Yeah.
	So I already provide those things when I'm dating someone.
	And so, like, I obviously do have a promiscuous pass.
	And I'm currently not dating because I want to become like a higher quality woman before I date so that I can attract a more high-quality man.
	So what would you recommend besides like the cooking and the cleaning and well, I think that you have to just cater it to that person's individual needs.
	So you have to just be good at looking at the man and understanding a little bit about his life and then seeing where you can add value particularly.
	Because he might be someone who's a clean freak and he does all of his cleaning.
	He might love cooking.
	He might be like Greek or something like that.
	Loves cooking.
	And then you're going to be like, all right, well, where else can I add value to his life?
	You know, can I help him with his organization?
	Can I do this and that?
	But it's about getting yourself to the point where months and months down the line, he looks at you as like inexpendable.
	Should I be waiting a while to sleep with someone?
	It depends on his values.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because if he's a guy who's like a little bit more liberal about it, he's not going to mind.
	But a guy who's more conservative, how high is the body count?
	Like, what are we talking?
	I don't feel comfortable sharing.
	Didn't you share it last time?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Oh, I know.
	No, she did.
	She did.
	Okay, yeah, what is it?
	I didn't.
	I refused.
	No, I'm thinking of someone else.
	It was double-digit, though, yeah?
	Yeah, it was double-digit.
	Triple-digit?
	Yeah.
	I think that if you can master other aspects, then guys will look past that.
	Yeah.
	Majority of it was when I was like 17.
	don't sleep around anymore i don't know if that's that's not Oh, it's horrible.
	That's not the top value before I got sober.
	But so, I mean, there's this video game term called min-maxing.
	You minimize negative characteristics and you maximize positive characteristics.
	So, I mean, you can't really minimize it, but what you can do is you maximize all the other positive characteristics, I suppose, to kind of, I mean, this is just like general advice to anybody.
	You want to become the best person and best partner that you can.
	So if that means, you know, getting into really good shape, it could come down to your behavior.
	It could come down to, you know, other things that you're bringing to the table.
	So if you just become like this super pleasant, amazing, amazing woman, super submissive, acts of service, and maximize just how can I become more attractive, not just looks, but how can I become more attractive in other dimensions?
	Fifth dimension over here.
	Fifth dimension princess, album out in three months.
	Right?
	Three months?
	Yeah, something like that.
	Then you just got to maximize all those things.
	Are some guys still going to disqualify you no matter how amazing you are?
	Sure.
	But they might disqualify you for other things too.
	You might not be their type physically, whatever it is.
	So you just got to maximize it.
	But yeah.
	So is there redemption?
	Yeah.
	It's a good point.
	Yo, W. Rachel was.
	She says, a man you would want is the kind of man who wants you to demonstrate that you'll be able to help meet rather than a giant pain in the ass.
	Honestly.
	Cooperative, not combative.
	Exactly.
	Rachel makes a huge point.
	And this is something we don't talk about.
	I mean, I mention it often in passing, but we don't ever do deep dives into it.
	Like, ladies, one of the biggest things, because like one of the biggest things that you can do to become more appealing to a guy, it's not like how the cool stories you can tell, your personality, or how attractive you are.
	If you're just like chill and pleasant to be around, because a lot of guys have experience dealing with like, and look, girls deal with some like fucking psycho dudes too, don't get me wrong, but like a guy who's dealt with like a girl who's a headache, like man, the biggest thing you can be in a relationship is if you're just like calm and you, when he's with you, it's peace.
	And look, sometimes sometimes you have disagreements, sometimes there's arguments.
	I mean, some people have a really hardline stance on like, you know, submission and that sort of thing.
	But if you can be peace, that's like one of the biggest things you can bring.
	We don't want to, like, guys don't want to deal with a quarrelsome woman.
	Like, if we're constantly, and look, to be fair, sometimes men, y'all, I don't know, sometimes men bring that energy.
	Like, sometimes men are the ones looking for an argument.
	But a lot of dudes have an experience of dealing with a girl that it's just like a headache.
	And we don't want to deal with that.
	We want peace.
	We want calm.
	And if you can be our calm, a lot of dudes are going to overlook a lot of things.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Especially if you're a really busy guy who's got a lot going on and your life's very stressful.
	If you can be like a sanctuary for him and you can create a home that's a sanctuary, and then that's massive.
	But also sort of like, you know, it might sound like a little bit infantilizing, but if you can look at him with like goo goo gaga sort of eyes, you know, like I said before, always doing things to make him feel respected, make him feel strong, and just point out all these little things.
	Most guys in the current dating market, with the way that most women are, will not know what has hit them if you actually treat a guy like that with genuine respect.
	And you look up to him and admire him.
	Besides providing the money and all that stuff, what is he doing?
	Is he like, does he love me?
	Is he providing emotional, like respect and emotional support and all that stuff?
	Or is he just a moment?
	A man has duties in a relationship.
	And the duty, in my opinion, is to provide and also to be, I mean, you have to take a bullet if there's a home invasion and to make her feel protected, to make her feel like her needs are met.
	Whether that be like financial needs or like the support of being a leader and all those sorts of things.
	And I think that's actually, it sounds like it's in a few sentences, but it's a very significant job.
	And it requires a lot of experience.
	And yeah, go on.
	Go ahead.
	I think in the true sense of like a submissive, dominant relationship between a husband and a wife, like if there's mutual respect, it's not about dominating the wife.
	Just because they are more leading and more guiding, that doesn't mean that they're shitting on you.
	No, I understand that.
	But some men do do that.
	Some men provide and train too.
	Also, with submission, like submission is not taken.
	Submission is given.
	Right.
	So Jake, I do disagree with you on the bullet thing, though.
	She can take the bullet.
	Yeah.
	Natasha likes that one.
	She can take the bullet.
	Here's Brian just grabs her and puts her in.
	Put the kid in front of us.
	Hear me out, Jake.
	So here's why.
	People say, Brian, that's kind of beta.
	You're kind of a beta male for not being willing to take the bullet.
	And listen, maybe I am.
	But you know what's better than being dead?
	Being a beta male.
	Although, wait, hold on.
	Do you know how many men have gone out of the trenches in war and run onto the beaches?
	Don't need to be gunned down by the Turks just so they don't look like a beta male to their friends.
	Oh, that's the reason they do it.
	But, like, think about it this way.
	Like, oh, they're all dying.
	He's going off.
	What's more gangster, Jake?
	Taking the bullet for your wife.
	Let's say you would you take a bullet for you don't have kids yet.
	You take the bullet?
	If I had kids?
	No, no.
	You're married, but you don't have kids yet.
	Do you take the bullet for your wife?
	I think it's the man's responsibility.
	But so what's more gangster?
	Check this out, Jake.
	Gangster.
	Okay.
	Keep it gangsta, go.
	Check this out.
	Okay.
	She takes the bullet like a strong, independent boss babe woman.
	And then, and then maybe you get kind of clowned on a little bit.
	But you probably, I mean, whatever.
	Nobody was there.
	You don't know what happened, right?
	And then a week later, you meet a new girl, and then you have kids with her, and you've just continued your bloodline.
	That's more gangster.
	You continued your bloodline.
	I'm willing.
	See, I'm willing to sacrifice the individual woman.
	I will sacrifice the individual woman for my benefit.
	So the girls are.
	That's the purely utilitarian perspective on it, bro.
	Am I?
	Chat.
	Chat.
	Am I?
	I'm kind of right, chat.
	Embarrassing.
	It's a secular utilitarian perspective on you.
	Oh my God, I'm so embarrassed.
	You're dead.
	I'm alive.
	I'm going to fuck another chick.
	We're good.
	Sorry, I'm kind of spazzing out a little bit.
	That's always been like that.
	This whole podcast was about that.
	It's like, why can't we just continue to put you down so you can be barefoot and cook our food?
	What the fuck are you talking about, Lady?
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	That's crazy, bro.
	What are you talking about?
	Go back to the state.
	Go back to pegging me.
	No.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	Go back to pegging yourself.
	You want to feel superior and you will never be superior.
	Women will always be superior.
	Women will always be superior.
	In which way?
	In which way?
	We give you life.
	If it wasn't for us, you wouldn't be talking all this time.
	What do you mean by superior and how are women superior?
	Superior.
	Superior.
	That's it.
	Superior.
	Say it again five more times and I'll understand it.
	The mother energy, the goddess.
	You would never, no, no, no.
	You provide, you make money.
	Good.
	Goddess is the demons.
	No, thank you for providing.
	That's your job as a man.
	You're providing women.
	And thank you for carrying that baby to term and not killing it.
	That is your job.
	That's your job, woman.
	That is your job, woman.
	A men forced me to do that.
	It is your job to bleed out of your vagina and then have my baby.
	You force me to do that.
	It is your job, woman.
	You little fact.
	It's your job, woman.
	You got to take that baby all the way to terms.
	You force me to do that.
	Good woman.
	Take it all the way to terms.
	You force me to do that.
	I said facts.
	Yeah, facts.
	Yeah, okay, be quiet, lady.
	Oh, and now they, see how they get?
	Bro, I'm right.
	You can't say that word on screen, bro.
	Shut the fuck out.
	The mother goddess.
	Superior than men.
	Period.
	That's cool.
	God is literally a mother.
	The goddess, the queen, the mother.
	The mother.
	She's got to take the fucking bullet, bro.
	They gave birth.
	She can take the fucking bullet.
	Your mom can take the bullet?
	No, not my mom can take the bullet.
	I'm saying, my girl, if I'm dating a girl.
	So what she said is the bullet.
	What's the point of men being stronger if you're not going to take the bullet?
	The point of me being stronger is so that after she dies, I can take care of the kids because I'm honestly, well, once we have kids, if we already have kids, I'm better suited to take care of them.
	Financially.
	Who's going to cook for that?
	Who's going to give him good intuition?
	Who's going to give him good intuition?
	Me, bro.
	You could have dodged the bullet.
	I dodged the bullet.
	I give my kids good intuition.
	You took the bullet.
	Obviously, your intuition wasn't that good to fucking dodge that.
	I dodge it.
	Boom.
	You take the fucking bullet.
	I think the more accurate for you is that you both just stand there and whoever gets hit gets here.
	I'm gonna burn my teeth.
	No, bro.
	You're my girlfriend.
	Here's the bullet.
	Of when the plant jumps out and scares people and then the guy grabs it.
	That's here.
	Yeah.
	He said he was a beta male.
	He said he's gonna use his government as a hero.
	He's gonna be dominant.
	No.
	How would that?
	That's okay.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Genghis Khan.
	You know Genghis Khan?
	That's not a question.
	Hold on.
	You know Genghis Khan?
	Not personally.
	Yes.
	I know who you're talking about.
	The Mongolian Conquest?
	I know who you're talking about.
	This guy had like multiple dozens of wives.
	Dozens of wives and concubines and just chicks.
	He was thousands of children.
	Last thousands, son.
	Like a small man.
	He was multiple times a day.
	Just busting nuts.
	So, anyways, hold on.
	Check this out, Natasha.
	You listening?
	I'm listening.
	Okay.
	You think Genghis Khan, the most fucking ruthless.
	You think Genghis Khan wasn't dominant?
	He would.
	Any wife, if it's between him and the wife.
	Goodbye.
	Oh, goodbye, wife.
	I've got 10 more.
	Genghis Khan is a G. He's a real G. Henry, Henry VIII, the king of England.
	This motherfucker beheaded his divorced, beheaded, died.
	Divorced, beheaded, what's that?
	The last one outlived him.
	Whatever.
	So, anyways.
	So scary.
	According to your logic, that's the most gangster shit you can do.
	Is behead your wife.
	You know what?
	She doesn't bow for me.
	Divorce.
	These are like that small percentage of men with power.
	Like, that's who you're speaking on.
	You're not talking about.
	Remember, like, back when we were talking about like the.
	But Genghis Khan.
	The men of the menu here.
	Whatever.
	You can't compare yourself to the MP.
	I'm not saying the fucking Genghis Khan.
	No, I'm just saying.
	If it's a W for Genghis Khan to be like, I've got 50 wives.
	One of them.
	Okay.
	But you don't have to be aware of that.
	But you got to be a woman.
	You don't even want one.
	Take the spear.
	Yeah, he's that percentage of men that you want one wife about.
	They can't.
	Using an example with somebody with a bajillion wives.
	Yeah, that makes me more gangster because she's more important to me and I'm still willing to sacrifice this dick.
	Woo!
	You can't even say what?
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, she's more important.
	That's more gangster.
	I'm still willing to sacrifice her because the bloodline.
	It's more important for me to survive to forward the fucking bloodline.
	Okay, so what if she's like, I could go impregnate 10 other women.
	But what if she was pregnant at the time with your child, your firstborn child?
	Does he know if she's a bad person?
	And you ain't and men don't shot women.
	They don't love you guys.
	I got shot.
	Shot by hugs.
	So you can't have no more kids.
	Are you still going to be a kid?
	That's not true.
	Men can't love unconditionally because they're never loved unconditionally.
	You have to provide to be loved.
	We don't love human beings.
	So you never give us unconditional love.
	A lot of men that do not.
	Men love hoes.
	Men cannot love unconditionally.
	There's too much ego involved.
	There's too much.
	I need power.
	My size of my dick.
	She gets fat.
	I'm trying to have a conversation.
	And she got to take the bad kids.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	But the child.
	Y'all think these women out here are worth taking the bullet for?
	I could be married.
	Hold on.
	I could be dating this girl married to her.
	She's getting new dick within three months, bro.
	You want me to take the bullet?
	You wouldn't even wait three weeks.
	You'd be out there crying at the freaking funeral.
	Like, oh, look at me so sad.
	You pity for me.
	I need to be a little bit more than you.
	I'm on fucking Tinder at the funeral.
	Of course.
	So you want her to wait three months.
	I'd be on bumps.
	Exactly.
	I'd be on Tinder.
	I'd be on the bottom.
	I'll be on Christian Mingle.
	I'll be on J Date.
	I'll be on Bucket.
	The Asian dating app.
	That's gonna be the first place I'll be.
	So, why she can't be in the same app?
	That's because she's a lady and she has to wait for you forever in her little coffin.
	No, what I'm saying is.
	You guys have an expectation that I take the bullet.
	Hell no, I ain't taking the bullet because no one expects you to take that bullet.
	We know.
	You're a five.
	Ain't no five taking bullets.
	You're a junkie.
	Oh, speechless.
	You notice that when we get them, they always switch the conversation.
	Like you have.
	You switch the conversation.
	Because you wouldn't take the bullet.
	But then you said, my mom, for my mom, I would take a bullet.
	Would you?
	That's a lie.
	I would take, you know what?
	For my parents?
	Damn, that's a hard.
	Yes.
	I think for my parents, because I got love for my parents like that.
	Look at that.
	The truth comes in.
	They already hit me.
	For your wife, no.
	Who hurt you?
	Like, what the fuck?
	Who hurt me?
	Chill up.
	Well, you act like what?
	It seems like you think people are going to switch up and betray on you.
	What?
	What about your kids then?
	What is the last time?
	That's a good question, Brian.
	Who hurt me?
	I don't get.
	Wait, what was this?
	For your parents, you would take a bullet.
	For your kids, would you take a bullet?
	You know what's crazy?
	Like, if somebody talks shit about me, I don't care.
	But if somebody ever said something nasty, like in front of my dad to my dad, I would be so fucking angry.
	Like, if somebody punched me or punched, I saw somebody punch my dad, I would be more upset if they punched my dad.
	And I would be fucking blood boiling.
	I would kill this person.
	That's love.
	That's love.
	But you wouldn't do that for your wife because men cannot love women.
	I can't get another dad.
	I can't get another mom.
	I can get another bitch.
	Oh, see, that's so stuff.
	That's so much stuff.
	So your kids, you would let your kids die too?
	Because you can get new kids.
	No, because it's the woman hatred.
	You see?
	It's the woman hate.
	It just fuels them to wake up every morning.
	What if it's a girl?
	Huh?
	Wait, what?
	You said kids are the bloodline.
	I said, what if it's a girl?
	She still carries on the bloodline.
	So it doesn't matter to you about the name.
	I mean, he's the one who said that he'd do the killing.
	So if it's between, hold on.
	You really want to play this game?
	So between my son and my daughter.
	But why?
	Many cultures around the world have actually disposed of the women at birth.
	I'm just kidding.
	I would love my daughters and sons equally.
	I don't think you could take that back.
	Just have daughters.
	I feel like people say that until they get a daughter.
	Yeah.
	She's going to watch that.
	She's definitely getting a daughter.
	She's watching that.
	She's definitely going to have daughters.
	I'm just, guys.
	I haven't got like 10 daughters.
	Obviously, I've been bantering.
	I'm joking a little bit.
	Being a little exuberant here.
	A little bit.
	She still takes the bullet, but like some of that other stuff, you know.
	Anyways, good stuff.
	All right, guys, we got to get through notes.
	We got to get through notes.
	I'm going to try to do it quick.
	Damien, we got the age stuff.
	Do you got two batches or one?
	Okay, let's do the guys.
	Some of you said you're going to be looking like hot 10, 20.
	Better.
	Oh, God, I forgot about that.
	Pull it up.
	What is it?
	Okay, that's.
	Yep, next.
	Do you think that's what I'll look like in 10 years?
	One of those 50-year-old women at the club.
	This is so many times.
	Damn.
	Okay, next.
	Like 100.
	Okay, next.
	Wow.
	You look like you could.
	Never mind.
	Next.
	Oh my god.
	I need to quit smoking.
	That's all right.
	Next.
	I'm done smoking.
	It looks like you're like, oh, I look cute.
	Oh, I look like my mom.
	All right.
	You look like my grandpa.
	There you go.
	Next.
	Oh, yeah.
	Of course.
	Last time I looked more like my mom.
	Okay, next.
	Make it a little smaller if you can.
	Oh, whoa.
	You gave her like a triple chip.
	What?
	Make it a little smaller?
	Why is your skin?
	Okay, next.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	Damn.
	You went from Latina to Asian.
	Yeah, I was about to say that.
	Latina to a Filipino, real quick.
	Next.
	That's not bad.
	That's not that bad.
	I don't know that weird.
	Next.
	Yeah, it's really not.
	Oh, my God.
	Next.
	By the way, whoever did this, you did a lot of favors on the pictures on the left.
	Next.
	That's so fucked up.
	Oh, there you go.
	All right, next.
	Silver Fox.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Yeah, with all that work they did on the left.
	That's funny.
	All right.
	Is that it, Damien?
	Yeah.
	Alright, we have The Bullets donated $100 If woman takes a bullet for guy, would she then be more gangster than him by default?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Maybe.
	But you guys forget she's dead.
	I'm alive.
	You can't take a bullet and survive.
	All the best gangsters are dead, bro.
	The assumption here is that if you take the bullet, you die.
	So, yeah.
	All the real ones are dead.
	All the real Gs?
	Real G's move in silence.
	Like lasagna.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Let's get through the rest of the notes.
	We have, wow, that really got, that was good.
	That was a good convo.
	Okay, we did Jillian.
	We did Callie.
	Trini.
	There's the music video.
	Craziest dating story.
	You dated this producer.
	At the time, he was still up and coming.
	Now he's huge.
	Can you say who?
	No, I don't want to.
	Okay, that's fine.
	We still cool.
	But Woo, it was a mess for a minute.
	Long story short, he was a cheater.
	He had two girls pregnant at the same time as we were dating.
	One of them hit you in the DMs beefing.
	Her friend hit you up too.
	They were threatening you and some more stuff.
	Hot mess.
	You left him.
	He ended up having a son and a daughter two weeks apart from the two different women.
	Now you think he's up to like four to five kids.
	Thank the Lord you're not attached to that circus.
	Any other details you can share from that story?
	No, I think that's pretty much like that was like Cliff Note version.
	Was it Nick Cannon?
	No.
	Would we know him?
	Do you think he's an old school hip-hop guy?
	These days I don't really know too many, but do you think I'd know him?
	I think you probably would know him just because he's pretty.
	Scott Sorch.
	He's got some big songs out there and then he's done a lot of stuff that's like no.
	Not Kanye?
	No.
	Okay.
	Next note, you said?
	Yeah, that's enough detail for people to find out.
	Okay.
	Putting people in boxes, like it's one answer for a relationship and that's it, but really it's about what works for you and yours.
	It's not one size fits all.
	What do you mean by that?
	What was the question?
	It wasn't it was just a statement you said you said putting people in boxes like it's one answer for a relationship and that's it.
	So is this kind of like the maybe you have issues with traditional type relationships?
	Yeah, that I know what you're talking about now.
	No, I didn't have any like I believe in like a traditional relationship like in the aspect of like do I want marriage?
	Do I want a husband that I you know love and respect or that you know that I want to lead because I don't want to leave my man, you know, and stuff.
	Yes, I do agree in that traditional aspect, but let's say like for instance, you don't want to get married.
	Do I think that your views are wrong?
	No, because I agree with yours too, because I do agree.
	I have brothers.
	So you know, I got five brothers.
	Like I know that they are, yeah, they're really looking at a big loss if they get with the wrong person.
	So like I do understand you guys' like, you know, aspect of it.
	You said when it comes to dating, it sucks.
	It's so hard to actually seriously date someone, especially in Los Angeles.
	You're more old school.
	You feel like you need someone more traditional as well, but also who understands the dynamics of your career.
	Yeah, because, okay, so this is the thing.
	So like if I, for one, people might think I'd be shallow and stuff like, oh, she's around this, this artist or that, you know, NFL or NBA player or these people, like the people I'm around in my work atmosphere, it makes some guys insecure and stuff because they don't feel like they're, I guess, in their idea of what a high quality man is, they're looking at like maybe financially or like status or things like that.
	They don't feel like they're, they compare to that man.
	So they're like insecure with me being around these men too.
	And so even if it's just, you know, like for work relationship, things like that.
	But let me ask you a question on this.
	Have you worked with people in the music industry?
	They're like, oh, I want to produce for you.
	I want to do that.
	And they really just want to fuck?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	I mean, so is it kind of fair that these, because like I've heard from a lot of girls, it's definitely a common thing.
	It's like they're like, oh, yeah, we should collaborate.
	And then they're just, I mean, huh?
	Darky.
	It's like, and I think that's wrong, by the way.
	Like, I don't think you should do that as a guy.
	Like, false pretenses.
	Like, oh, yeah, let's.
	But he really, like, has an ulterior motive.
	Like, he's just trying to hit.
	Did he did that to Cassie?
	Her career was just starting and then they started dating and it never happened again.
	No, this is the guy who kind of.
	She asked me why you said that.
	Oh, no, the guy like who was like wanting to do the photo shoot and then he that's what I'm talking about.
	Like Dark Havey had this thing where like.
	Is he Asian?
	No.
	unfortunately it didn't work for her no there was this guy who's like my ex-boyfriend i was i was with her four years No, I'm Mexican.
	Yeah, there's this guy who's like, hey, come do a photo shoot.
	But it was really, he was like trying to date her.
	And I think that out of it.
	No, but it's like, you should be upfront, you know?
	Yeah, no, for sure.
	But so maybe that's one of the concerns these guys have is like he knows like how these people are in the in the music industry and they're looking out for you.
	Well, no, I think it was more so in the aspect that it was two different things.
	It was one that he was kind of like he also does music.
	So like he was still like he'd been doing it for years, but he hasn't had the level of success that these men have had.
	And the fact that I am a woman and can go around these men who have a higher status in the industry that we both work in, it's kind of like a jealousy thing there too.
	Cause it is like kind of a concept of like him thinking I'm only there because I'm a woman, but not what I actually bring, you know, to the table.
	Okay.
	Do you have to move on here with the notes, but fifth dimension princess?
	You said one time you came out in the music video and the rapper asks for your number.
	You talked on the phone a few times, asked if you wanted to go bowling with him and a few other people.
	He picks you up, and you guys stop at a liquor store to buy a bottle in pre-game.
	He gets a bottle of henny and coke, and on the way to the bowling alley, someone cuts him off in traffic and he throws his henny bottle at a car.
	He didn't hit the car, but you were like, What, what the hell?
	Now we don't have no henny.
	We end up arriving at the bowling alley.
	Once you guys park, he starts doing my guru.
	He does the nose thing.
	Yeah, that thing.
	And you were like, I was like, why do you need to do that to pre-game bowling?
	And then you guys play a few rounds and you uber at home because you were not getting in that car again, and then you cut him off.
	Yeah.
	Had you guys met up before that, or was that it?
	Can you scoot the mic just to the edge of the table?
	And who was he?
	What was his name?
	I don't want to say who he was.
	It's always the case.
	They're always dating freaking these big-time people, but you never give the names out.
	Makes me think that it never happened.
	Was it possible?
	Or that it's all this?
	Or that people are just private with their personality.
	Or that it's SoundCloud, SoundCloud rappers.
	No, it's actually kind of embarrassing, like, just to even like, did you not hear the circus?
	I said, I did not want my name attached to that man.
	He got like four or five kids now.
	It would make the story really entertaining if we knew who it would so make it.
	Wait, Pluso Peso Pluma?
	What's his name?
	No.
	Do you know who?
	What's his name?
	Chat?
	Pesopluma is a.
	Peso Pluma.
	Was it him?
	No, I wish.
	Oh, okay.
	What do you rate him?
	Peso Pluma?
	Did he like a 10?
	I give him like a 9.
	You'd be settling for Peso Pluma.
	Looks-wise?
	Looks-wise.
	Yes.
	Okay, even with his mullet?
	I like his mullet, but I think I'm still hitting him.
	You said you wanted to talk about polygamy?
	Yes.
	Are you polygamist?
	I'm not polygamous, but I am open to it.
	Only like in the right situation, like if a man had like multiple girlfriends or wives, and he was like providing for all of them.
	They're all having safe sex.
	Like, I feel like that's okay.
	And everybody's like.
	So if he's like really successful, high-status guy, like Genghis Khan or whatever.
	Genghis Khan, you would fuck Genghis Khan.
	I would.
	It would come about if you really.
	He doesn't speak English, though.
	I mean, he's also good.
	Yeah, I'm saying, like, somebody powerful like that.
	Okay.
	He's an option.
	What about Putin?
	Like, would you smash Putin?
	Kind of hot.
	Whoa, okay, Natasha.
	And if I was single, if I was single.
	Oh, because you're in a relationship.
	And is the guy that you're seeing exclusive with you?
	He is exclusive with me, yes.
	But if he wanted to have some side pieces, you wouldn't mind?
	If he was like making me not work and all the other girls too, yes.
	I mean, that is a dynamic, you know?
	It happens.
	Yeah, it happens.
	Oh, we do have a chat coming in here.
	Then we'll get right back to it.
	Hero underscore Jake donated $100.
	I have never slept with a woman, but once I find the one, I would take a bullet for her.
	I got certified in Prav Maga to make sure I can protect my future wife.
	P.S. Darkavia, you beautiful.
	Certified to Darkie.
	But never mind that.
	Thank you.
	Is that like the Russian version of Darkavia?
	Is that how do you spell it?
	It's Darkavia, so it's spelled D-A-R-K-A-V-I-A.
	V-I-A.
	There it is.
	Jake, W's in chat for Jake.
	Thank you for the TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Wait, take a bullet.
	Wait, do you guys think the guy should take the bullet for his girl?
	Show of hands.
	Should the guy take the bullet?
	That everybody?
	Wait, hold on.
	How do you guys feel about this statement?
	Women should be virgins.
	Well, it depends.
	Are you talking about to be married or just to experience life?
	I kind of wish I was, but like, y'all should wait for the first guy, and that should be the guy you stay with the rest of your life.
	Not if they mistreat you, no.
	Yeah.
	Let's assume there's no abuse in this.
	Ideally, yes, I agree.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But it's like.
	But it's not an ideal world.
	And you're not ideal.
	That's why she got to take the bullet.
	Would you take a bullet for a virgin?
	No, whoever had a highest body count is a virgin.
	That was still.
	Did you hear that?
	More likely to, yes, but no.
	Darkavia had a good stance.
	I said whoever has the highest body count has to take the bullet.
	Oh, there you go.
	I like that.
	There you go.
	I like that one.
	That works.
	Well, no, it's just interesting.
	So would you be dead?
	Probably.
	Just kidding.
	So, anyways, but it's interesting to me.
	It's like, you guys, really quick, raise your hand, like, no big deal.
	You want a dude to die for you.
	But you kind of like raised an eyebrow.
	It seemed that way when I was like virgin preference.
	No, like in an ideal world, I understand that.
	I just don't think we live in an ideal world.
	Yeah, sure.
	Is it likely to get that?
	No.
	But, but, I'm just saying.
	I understand the low body count thing.
	I agree with that.
	But if it's like, y'all are saying men should die, I should be able to say, y'all should not be fucking all these dudes.
	You know what I mean?
	You're allowed to say it.
	You're allowed to say it.
	Yeah, you're allowed.
	And I mean, I prefer men, I'm allowed, but women don't have any problem saying men should do X, men should do Y, men should do Z.
	But the moment we men say, women should, like, you might say, men should know how to change a tire.
	You might say that, right?
	But the moment I say, women should go make me a sandwich.
	Or women should, like, any, you're going to say anytime a guy says a woman should, you're going to be like, that sexist.
	How dare you?
	No.
	Women should cook and clean.
	I'd make you a sandwich if you said please.
	If you know how to change a tire, the woman should know how to change the tiger.
	The sandwich should be unprompted.
	I think if the man is providing those things and the woman is providing those things, that's an ideal situation for everybody.
	I kind of feel like it's easier to be a virgin than it is to take a bullet, though.
	So it's still not fair.
	It's never fair.
	It's really not fair.
	It's never fair.
	It's easier to be a virgin than to die.
	That's fair.
	Kind of got a point.
	I feel like you're kind of dying if you just, you're 18 and you sleep with one guy, you stay with him your whole life.
	Like, life is long.
	You're going to go to your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.
	Same dude, same penis.
	You know what's long?
	Like living your life?
	I thought you were going to say the dildo that his third boyfriend got pegged.
	I really like the baby.
	But I just, I just, I feel like there's no way that a virgin man or a virgin woman, they get together, they're married.
	I feel like there's no possible way that they have the thought that doesn't cross their mind every day.
	Damn, I wish I did that.
	You know what I mean?
	Wait.
	Can you show me your tatt?
	Can you show your tattoo to the screen here?
	The one on your arm?
	Me?
	Yeah, show it to the screen.
	The raised by strong women one?
	Yeah, you're gonna have to like turn your turn your whole body.
	I love, I get comments on this one a lot.
	Okay, turn.
	Sorry, guys.
	It's supposed to be my mom, my sister, my other sister.
	Go into frame.
	Get away from the mic.
	Mom, sister, other sister.
	It says raised by strong women.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I love my dad.
	My dad's very strong too.
	He's a woman?
	No, I need to get another tattoo for him.
	Okay.
	It should be raised by strong man, singular.
	Why?
	You don't think my mom's strong?
	Is your mom a man?
	What about her grandpa?
	My mom raised me.
	No, but raised by strong man.
	You should also.
	Never mind.
	I don't know.
	What's the problem?
	What's your problem?
	What's the problem?
	Why don't you like it?
	You got a problem?
	Why don't you like it?
	Women can't.
	Wait, you don't think my mom's strong?
	Did I say that?
	Did I say that?
	I'm fucking with you.
	Okay, good talk.
	Okay, going back to you.
	You said fifth dimension princess.
	When are you going to upgrade to queen?
	Fifth dimension queen.
	I like fifth dimension princess.
	Maybe when I stop doing music, like I'll just get rid of the name.
	What do you think about like fifth dimension duchess?
	I don't like it.
	It doesn't have the same ring to it.
	You don't fucking drink it.
	I like pink and purple, sparkles, crowns.
	What about fifth dimension viscount?
	What is that?
	You don't know about viscounts?
	You don't pronounce CS?
	It's a Viscount.
	Yeah, it is a Viscount.
	Wow.
	Obviously, the American education system failed me.
	Obviously.
	You said it's hard because social media dating, it's hard because social media makes it seem like there are so many options and a lot of it is oversexualized and it's hard to be compared to BBL models.
	But at the end of the day, the right person is going to love you for who you are and you shouldn't look for love.
	You should let it find you by being your best and most authentic self.
	I agree with this.
	BBLs are gross.
	I am not a fan of BBLs, fake titties, lip filler, natural BBL wouldn't be like that.
	Natural, but really big.
	Are you saying you don't like big butts or you just don't like it?
	I'm saying he doesn't like the surgery.
	I don't like the BBL.
	Yeah, the BLB is noticeable as well, the big buttons.
	Big butt.
	It also looks so strange when the thighs are small.
	It does.
	It doesn't come to a bigger.
	It looks weird.
	It just looks like.
	Natasha, don't you think you gotta earn it?
	You gotta earn it.
	Yes, I'm a personal trainer.
	She's a personal trainer.
	It drives me nuts when I see girls on TikTok that are talking about, like, here's how you build a shelf, and it's clearly a BBL.
	It's like, that's fine if you want to do plastic surgery, but don't lie to people when you're saying you can get this shelf by doing this.
	You can build a shelf, but not a BBL.
	BBLs look insane.
	When you don't have good thighs and like thick thighs to back up a big butt, it looks ridiculous.
	Anybody here have a BBL?
	No.
	Haha.
	Okay, Natasha's notes.
	I think Natasha's notes, you're pretty much.
	Yeah, I think you're the last one here.
	Or wait, no, Milana, huh?
	Oh, really quick, Milena.
	There's just one thing from you.
	You said you want.
	Oh, wait, we have the dating apps too.
	From Darkavia.
	Okay, we'll do that dating app, then get into Natasha's notes.
	Milena, you said that you, in a dating app, you want a man to worship the ground you walk on.
	Ew.
	That's like kind of a joke.
	Gross.
	Oh, okay.
	That's so hot.
	I felt like I needed to start raising the bar.
	I can see that.
	Yeah, right?
	You heard about my exes.
	It's so like the bar's in hell.
	So I was like, maybe if I put this, like, I'll get someone that's like right below that.
	You'll get a simp is what you'll get.
	Okay, all right.
	I don't really check my dating app.
	It's more just like a video game.
	Sure.
	I haven't met up with anyone.
	It scares me.
	Now we need to do Darkavia's dating app right now.
	Dating apps are hard.
	You don't know somebody's favourites.
	What?
	What do you think you're doing?
	I sent mine in.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	I said that.
	Do you want me to say?
	I just said one thing.
	No, it's just this.
	We already did it.
	Oh.
	Next.
	hide that for a sec.
	Dropping everything that second and hopping on a plane, any chance I get also dating to marry unusual skills.
	Okay, next.
	Guys, in the chat, this is Darkavia's dating app.
	She's from Illinois.
	Yeah, Chicago.
	Chirac?
	You're from Chirac?
	Yeah.
	That explains a lot.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, monogamy, she wants long-term relationship, preferably with an Asian man.
	If any Asian men are watching, next.
	She don't hate me if I love bomb you.
	Okay.
	I'm a look bomber.
	Next.
	My simple pleasures, men that look mean but aren't mean.
	Here comes.
	Oh, I did not mean to press that.
	Raving, sleeping, eating, exploring.
	Is there another one or is that it?
	Those are the cute.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Is that it?
	Okay.
	All right.
	So chat, do you swipe yes, swipe no?
	Can you explain the you love bomb dudes?
	I, I, I, I definitely have a problem with love bombing.
	I do do that often.
	I try not to, but I just fall so quickly, and that's literally my downfall when it comes to relationships.
	Like, I do.
	And I think that also takes part in with I sleep with them.
	I do fall in love with them.
	And I, that's what I try not to sleep around because I do go into that hole of wanting to be in a relationship as soon as I like sleep with them.
	And obviously, they're not obviously in that mindset.
	So I think that's why I love bomb them.
	Nothing wrong with love bombing for from a woman to a man.
	That's a great thing.
	Yeah.
	I think there's a few slot arrows with the I'm going to critique your dating profile.
	Okay.
	So the first bit where you said willing to drop everything and get on a plane, that seems like a dog whistle to get flown out.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I said I love to travel.
	Like if I could take anything, if I have my last, let's say I have like only $800 in my bank account, I'm probably going to spend that $800 to just go to Paris.
	Like I love to just go and travel because I traveled my whole life.
	Like we never stayed with you.
	A woman can travel to Paris with $800.
	Well, I'm just saying.
	I'm just using that as an example.
	But I've been to Paris like three times.
	So like I just love traveling.
	So like I traveled my whole life and like me, I'm on probation now.
	So it's hard for me to travel.
	What do you want probation for?
	What do you do?
	I just a DUI.
	Happens.
	Yeah.
	So have you ever been flown out?
	No, I have never been flown out.
	Yeah, see, whenever I see that sort of thing on a girl's profile, I'm always like, she's looking for a guy to fly around.
	I try to make it more unusual.
	I love flown out.
	Because it's like, that's my first priority.
	I love traveling if I can just get on a plane and go somewhere.
	I haven't traveled to New York for 10 days by myself.
	I will travel on my own.
	I love traveling.
	I'd say that from the guy's perspective, they're going to look at that and interpret that as she's trying to get flown out.
	I'll definitely change that.
	And the other bit was raving.
	What do you mean by raving?
	Like the music festivals, like EDC or, you know, Beyond Wonderland and those things like that.
	I love raving because when I started raving, I was about 15 years old.
	And obviously, I don't do drugs.
	But it's also that it was the community that made me feel like beautiful, I guess.
	And that's why I love raving, obviously.
	I think I would grow out of it eventually, but the community is just so beautiful and it just makes you feel happy.
	And I know people around me are probably like, you know, hi or whatever.
	But it makes me feel very good.
	When you see the first impressions of the profile and you see raving, you're like, I mean, it's also mind you that I've been around sweaty peasants and a lot of like just like a headache as well if I'm like with my girlfriend.
	She's like, I'm going to go raid for three days.
	No, but that's the thing.
	That's why, see, like where I, when you meet your rave and you meet people that love raving and they love the environment.
	That's literally how you find people.
	And I just like people that are into my kind of music, EDM.
	I like EDM music.
	What is EDM?
	Electric music.
	Electric dance music is what it stands for.
	Yeah, it's literally what it stands for.
	So I just like that kind of music.
	And music festivals are the easiest way to express that kind of music with everyone.
	And it's a huge EDM, it's a huge community.
	And it's beautiful when you explore those kind of things.
	What kind of guy would you really like to swipe right?
	What would be your ideal match?
	Tell me his profile.
	I would probably say, I'm not, I don't really care about height, but you have to be at least taller than me.
	Or 5'5.
	I don't really care.
	5'5 and above.
	Preference Asian, but I would not turn down anyone else.
	And when you say Asian, do you mean like Chinese?
	No, I don't really have a preference.
	I like their culture.
	I like how they respect women in ways that America doesn't respect women.
	I like their culture a lot.
	And how they're raised respectfully.
	They have high standards on education and how they make that very important.
	So they make themselves make it like I need to be this.
	Practicing violin like five hours a night.
	Yeah, basically.
	Like they're very obtaining how America lacks.
	And that's what I like about them.
	And then also it doesn't, but I don't want to say that it's just Asians.
	Like I will, if I will talk to men of color or anything like that, like Mexicans, it's just a preference for Asians, but I will not take men off my roster, like off my roster of like who I would go for just because they're not Asian.
	So taller than you, preferably Asian.
	What else do you want him to have going on?
	I would probably see some activities on his profile.
	He's like active, hiking or surfing maybe.
	I hate the ocean, but it would be cool.
	Can you swim?
	Yes, I can swim.
	Yeah, and then like stuff like that on their profile, and then maybe someone with good fashion, stuff like that.
	But that's preferably what I look for and people that on my profiles when I swipe right or stuff like that.
	Or some people do swipe on me and like it's not, I wouldn't say that I do not get my preference on Hinge, but I would say that like it's not exactly my deal, but they're still pretty handsome men that, you know, like it is probably just not what I am going for.
	So when you were walking around South Korea, you went to Seoul?
	Did you say you went to Seoul?
	No, I'm going to Seoul in April for my birthday.
	Oh, so you have never been to Asia?
	No, not yet.
	Where do you want to go?
	Whereabouts in Asia?
	Well, I want to experience Seoul for my birthday, and then Japan.
	I'm going there for, I'm going to go stay there for the whole month.
	Which part of Japan?
	Probably Tokyo.
	I want to experience the whole nightlife and the whole party scene in Tokyo.
	But I also want, but when I want to go to Korea, I want to experience their face care, the skincare, like the whole, you know, very beauty standard.
	That's why I really want to go there so I can just experience the color analysis and stuff.
	But the nightlife in Tokyo, because I heard it's really cool.
	Normally the black guys go for Asian girls, but I've never seen a black girl go for Asian guys.
	Oh, well, I'm not really traveling to Asia.
	I just, I really, I really love their culture.
	I really do.
	Like, I'm even learning Korean because I want to start a business there.
	So, yeah, eventually.
	They're not very business-minded in Korea, though.
	They've got a very strange economic system.
	Yeah, and they're pretty picky about foreigners starting businesses, but it's definitely possible.
	Yeah.
	What do you girls think about the profile?
	Give it your critiques.
	I like that you had a casual face mask moment because I feel like a lot of guys, not that you're kidding me.
	Yeah, that's why I wanted to include a picture of me not wearing makeup.
	Yeah, but so that they could see what you look like authentically without any of the filters, without any of that.
	I think that's cool, and it shows you're confident.
	I love that.
	If you want to go around the table on like what everyone's type is, I'll be right back.
	All right, let's do it.
	Everybody's type, and you have to get specific on looks, particularly like build your avatar of your perfect man, and then what kind of values and everything as well.
	Go starting with me, yes.
	I like really big men, big and strong.
	I'm athletic, so I usually go for athletes, professional or not.
	I like lighter eyes.
	I like somebody who's funny and considerate, who has really good family values, somebody who's close with their family, smart, and doesn't have to be necessarily college-educated, but I am, so I would rather have that.
	But some people can be very intelligent without that.
	So, I like like witty banter, and I typically like foreign, I don't really like American men.
	Which foreigners are your favorite?
	Usually, Aussies and Kiwis.
	We're pretty, we're in demand, you know what I mean?
	Anyways, or European, yeah, right.
	Um, I like them tall, dark, and handsome.
	No, I'm just handing.
	No, I'm for real, but I was just gaying about that, but yeah, uh, I like them to have a good, strong, like family view, like cultural view, and stuff.
	Like, you like black guys, huh?
	You like black guys, yeah, preferably, or like you would date a white guy, or I never dated a white guy before.
	Didn't you say you date white Brian?
	I mean, I said maybe when I died, when you were young, yeah, yeah, like, yeah, maybe when he were young, yeah, that's what I say, but that's why I say when I was giving him his rating, I said, Me personally, I don't have like a my personal rating for you, but I feel like you are a good-looking man for like white girls or girls.
	If you had to name one of the rappers or something, yeah, girls who like I don't feel like I'm his type either.
	One of like the rappers or athletes or something who's most physically attractive, who would it be?
	Oh, for rappers, I don't know.
	I'm friends with a lot of the ones that like a lot of girls would like really choose and stuff like that.
	Like, I've turned down a lot of the ones that like, you know, girls would normally choose.
	But I would say I have dated like professional athletes, things like that.
	Like, I played basketball all through college, and so you know, I got my championship ring on, things like that.
	So, I played like even like you know, at different levels.
	I wasn't like a WNBA player, but I did play like in professional.
	When you, if you had to choose one guy, one guy for you.
	If it's like a rapper, you could say, like, usher or something like that before the PDD season.
	I choose a singer, but um, I think.
	He raps, doesn't he?
	No, the most he ever rapped was R-A-Y-M-O-N-D.
	That tells me what you want to do.
	That's the most he ever rapped.
	But I would probably, honestly, I would go with, I would think I would go with an athlete over a musician, just personally.
	How about you, fifth dimension, princess?
	My type is a creative genius and tatted.
	What kind of creative does video games or as in the middle of the video?
	I like music a lot.
	So, music, creative genius, it can be, you know, Picasso.
	Like, I date Pablo Picasso.
	Yeah.
	He was a, you know, good-looking fella, Abbott Picasso?
	Um, I don't know if he was good-looking, but I like his art.
	And I would want to be his muse.
	Gotcha.
	Um, I would like a man that can not get intimidated by me and let me be whoever I am without taking that personally.
	And someone that can really, truly knows how to fuck a woman.
	Fair enough.
	Same answer?
	You?
	No.
	I go for guys that are average white guys, I guess.
	Like, I like facial hair.
	I like strong arms.
	Not like, not super tall.
	Maybe like five, five, five, four, five, six.
	And then I really appreciate a guy who has drive and who knows how to get things done and is a leader and is humble and is a man of God.
	I also want someone that believes in a loving God.
	I don't care what it is as long as it's a loving God.
	A loving God.
	Oh, some people think that Satan is.
	Anyways, at least like 5, 10.
	I want them to have like goals, something they're passionate about.
	I need them to have trauma because a big thing for me is to feel understood.
	And I feel like if they haven't experienced hardship in life, they're not going to really understand me.
	But like also has taken the time and effort to like heal and become a person.
	What if they don't have any trauma, but they can still understand you?
	I don't think they'll like really understand.
	Also, tattoos, I don't want them.
	I'm a personal trainer, too, and I don't want them to be into the gym because I like to have, yeah, I like having my own thing.
	Do you want to be the hot one?
	No, it's more so.
	I've noticed that guys that are like really into weightlifting specifically have like unhealthily massive egos.
	So if they like are into being fit and taking care of their body, that's great.
	But I don't want them to be like me where they go to the gym every day.
	So you want to go.
	I love a dad bod, honestly.
	Tattoos, Tom.
	Yeah.
	And then Dark KV and she's dying over there.
	See, I just like, that's a preference, but I will not take anyone else off the thing.
	Little Asian man and you can blindfold.
	I think the only people I probably won't date, no offense, is probably white men and black men.
	Because I'm half black and half white, and I want my children to be very biracial.
	So anything that I'm not, I would go for them, basically.
	Okay.
	Should we do what we're looking for?
	I think we can probably move on.
	Come on, come on.
	You guys gotta go.
	Yeah, tell us your types.
	Okay, I'll be quick.
	Then go ahead, Jake.
	I'd say she has to be a Christian, first and foremost.
	And she has to be submissive.
	She has to be cute.
	She has to be someone who's not lazy, like I said before.
	Someone who can sort of get things done if she needs to.
	She has to be personable and get along with my family and that sort of thing.
	And not be a pain in my ass.
	Be peaceful and understand who the boss is.
	All right.
	I'll just do looks and personality.
	I'll try to be more briefer than I usually am.
	Okay.
	Any race is fine.
	Slight.
	I mean, it's difficult.
	For kids, like an Amazon woman would be good.
	but like my actual preference is for short women so it's like i'm in this like you say your preference is for sure women Short.
	Short women.
	Like I prefer like short petite women.
	Like in terms of like what I think I like looks good, I guess.
	Five, six is like my limit.
	But no, shit, I'll go six, nine, bro.
	Six, ten.
	I'll do the seven.
	So then you're not in the club, basically.
	What do you mean?
	You said you like short women.
	I thought you were one of us.
	Wait, you like short women or you don't like short women?
	Here, I'm thinking like for the kids.
	For breeding.
	For breeding.
	So you want the lady from Game of Thrones.
	Like, I'm thinking, like, I want, on one hand, like, what I find the most appealing, like, dating-wise, and then I'm going to be sex-wise, like, short.
	Although, petite.
	You want to be able to pick him up and throw him around.
	Like a, like a tall.
	Like, if she, because, look, I'm a white guy, right?
	The penis is average, okay?
	If her, Her shit is too big.
	It's like hard to get up in there, you know?
	Okay, I'm just being cringe now.
	So, anyway.
	I don't know if the like thunder thighs, that's too much for a white man.
	Oh, so you're like little girls.
	Huh?
	Not like that.
	You like petite in general.
	Petite women.
	Not too short.
	But the thing is, once you start getting short, then they get kind of stocky.
	Then they get like there's the short, thick girl.
	Okay.
	But then there's like the short petite.
	And then there's like average height petite.
	And then there's like above average height petite.
	Yeah.
	I'll take short, average height petite.
	Yeah.
	But then if I'm thinking about like my kids, I want some fucking warrior sons.
	So I'm like looking at that thick girl who's like, you know what I mean?
	And like the kids, but then like myself.
	If you have sons though, they'll probably be about your heart.
	Normally boys are taller than their dad or the same height.
	So if you have sons, you're pretty tall.
	I think you're big.
	I'm six foot one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but like if like a 4'111 girl, don't get me wrong.
	Like I'm crazy about that, but I'm just thinking about the kids.
	311 even, bro.
	I'll do the dwarf.
	Yeah, I'll do the dwarf.
	Some dwarfs are bad, bro.
	I will do that.
	They're a bit too stocky, though.
	And then let's see.
	I don't.
	Natural.
	Natural.
	No BBL, no lipo, no lip filler, no fake titties.
	Give me a little belly fat over lipo belly.
	Give me a no ass over giant BBL.
	A nice ass is nice.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But BBL, don't like it.
	So give me a small ass over that.
	But, you know, whatever.
	Oh, labia.
	If she's got the labia plasty, that's a tragedy.
	Crime against humanity, hey?
	Literally, if I was president, first, the first thing I do, executive order, plastic surgery only for people who need that shit.
	Like burn victims.
	You want some giant triple D titties?
	Nah, bro.
	Nah, it's done.
	It's over.
	Plastic surgeons in jail.
	Anesthesiologists who do that shit for plastic surgeons in jail.
	Straight to jail.
	Avua.
	It's not worth it.
	The audio is still not.
	Damn, bro.
	Whatever.
	I want to press it.
	Yeah, big labia matter.
	Any big labia supporters at the table?
	I support our women.
	Natasha, are you a team big labia matter?
	I'm team all women.
	Okay, good talk.
	Oh, personality.
	I mean, we already talked about it.
	Peace, submissive.
	She has to bow.
	Like when she walks in the room.
	All right, play the bow video really quick.
	The bow video.
	Jake's like, fuck this.
	I've seen this shit too many times.
	We got a chat.
	All right, go ahead, play it.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	This is the video I took my ex-girlfriend so I could teach my next girlfriend what to do.
	Oh my god.
	Because I was like, I need to show her because if I explain it with words, she just won't get it because women are very visual creatures.
	So I think, you know.
	Creatures.
	Yes.
	You know, my dinner's ready.
	I come home from a long.
	I did have to scold her because she had fake tits.
	So I was kind of upset by that.
	But I was going to say her boobs look nice.
	They look nice, but they were fake.
	So I had to.
	That's why I broke up with her, actually, because she deceived me.
	No, there's no way that's.
	Played again.
	Played again one more time.
	Just the bow.
	No, did you see that?
	Boom, huge bow.
	Look at that angle.
	Amazing.
	It could have been deeper.
	I did have to scold her.
	Scold her.
	That's good talk.
	Her head should be touching her toes to be honest.
	I was just going to say, I can touch my toes.
	And oh, we have a message here from Hero Jake.
	Hero underscore Jake donated $100.
	Brian, I am with you.
	I would rather 90-year-old Silver Fox over 22-year-old Beryl.
	Why are those the only one?
	Not the grandma.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I get it.
	I get what he's saying, though.
	Like, I'll take a girl with no.
	Like, here's the two options.
	Like, here's her.
	This is her ass.
	Straight line.
	She's a surfboard.
	Versus perfect BBL.
	I'll take the straight line.
	So the BBL looked natural.
	Like, you didn't know it was.
	If the BBL looked natural.
	You can tell.
	What about the shots in the ass?
	Still bad.
	That's like fat transfer, the fat transfer, whatever.
	that's what the bbl is i thought the ass shots is like the no you could Well, there's a literal implant.
	There's like implants and then there's the video that went viral of the girls' implants that flip.
	Aren't those called implants, though?
	BBL is a Brazilian butt lip, so they're taking fat from other parts of your body and sticking it in your butt.
	I have no idea.
	Neither do I.
	It's crazy.
	Oh, just the personality.
	I mean, just peace, submissive, feminine, pleasant.
	That's it.
	That's all I need.
	Oh, and acts of service.
	I forgot that.
	That's like huge.
	Is that your love language?
	I need acts of service.
	Do you give acts of service?
	What love language do you give?
	None of them.
	Oh.
	I am the table.
	Okay, Natasha.
	What do I bring to the table?
	I am the table.
	You think I my presence?
	My presence is what she gets.
	To the table.
	My presence is what she gets, obviously.
	Okay.
	All right, let's get to Natasha's notes here.
	By the way, Natasha, you posted an Instagram story.
	And at the very bottom, very, I saw this.
	It writes, very small.
	I'm about to make roasting men my whole personality.
	JK, parentheses, JK, it already was.
	Natasha, I'm a little disappointed.
	You didn't like it.
	I'm waiting for more of the roasting.
	Really?
	it's not it's not like close into the mic like roasting in terms of like banter but i feel like where we started it wasn't banter It was just crossing a line, so I wasn't going to engage.
	Wait, what was the line crossing?
	Earlier.
	We don't need to revisit it.
	We've gotten better as time has gone on.
	What line was crossed?
	I said it multiple times.
	I'm not going to revisit it.
	You got stonewalling, bro.
	Like you said that you wouldn't appreciate if somebody talked bad about your father, but you made a comment about my mother.
	And that was it for me.
	You did.
	What did I say?
	I'm not going to repeat it.
	I think it was rude.
	I didn't insult your mom.
	You did.
	How did I do it?
	I'm not going to repeat it.
	I just said that.
	Which is fine.
	We moved past it.
	I do think you cross a boundary that she said multiple times of wanting to end the conversation.
	Five times specifically.
	Hold on.
	So I come on a podcast and where there's going to be an expectation that you're going to have conversations like.
	Right, but it doesn't mean it's a free-for-all.
	Being on the host of the podcast and continuing a conversation.
	Like if every girl here was like, you could literally hijack my podcast and just say, I don't want to talk about that to every single thing.
	Would it be crossing a boundary if I was like, no, fuck you.
	You came on this podcast.
	I want to talk about this.
	Is that crossing a boundary?
	There was an instance where you crossed your name.
	Jill.
	How is it a boundary?
	It's not.
	You crossed a boundary with Jill, too.
	She said she didn't want to talk about body count and things like that with her sexual past multiple times.
	Hold on, I think exploring the reasons why isn't crossing a boundary.
	Right, but it is once you get to a certain point where she says she's uncomfortable a couple times and has so shifting the question.
	So trying to ask like a different question that's perhaps walked back a little bit to try to like actually flesh out the conversation at hand is not crossing a boundary.
	I guess our consideration of boundaries is different if she explicitly said something.
	Well, I have a boundary that I don't like.
	Are you gonna let me finish or are you gonna let me answer?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	She expressed multiple.
	I'm sorry to use you, but this is just my opinion from the outside is that she had said multiple times something specific bothered her and you kept asking her about it in the same way that when I said something specifically bothered me.
	And we could talk about all the things leading up to it, but there was a point where I said this bothers me and this is my boundary.
	And you then ask me five more times about it.
	That's a boundary.
	That's just you might disagree with my boundary, but it doesn't mean that it's not my boundary.
	I have a boundary about people stonewalling on my podcast.
	You crossed my boundary multiple times.
	So now do I have the right to feel aggrieved because you crossed one of my boundaries?
	Of course.
	Who's to say I if I'm asking if I'm on a podcast?
	I'm not a question.
	My boundary is, is that I want people to like, in good faith, engage in the conversation and not stonewall.
	That's my boundary.
	So are you aggrieving me or am I aggrieving you?
	Which I did for the rest of the time, but I said explicitly one thing was a boundary and I said it explicitly in the moment and you still pushed it.
	You never once told me something bothered you and was your boundary or I would have stopped.
	If I recall, we were having a discussion about you just literally stonewalled because when it came to, I think it was the conversation about World War II.
	And you know I literally checkmated you and I was like, you said and then you fucking gaslit and said, oh, I didn't say that.
	You literally said World War, when we were talking about male grievances, you said, we brought up World War I, World War II, and then you said, oh, but that was a long time ago.
	Ergo, it doesn't matter.
	And then I was like, okay, well, then slavery happened a long time ago.
	Does it not matter?
	And then you knew I checkmated you.
	And then you created this boundary to try to be evasive and not admit that you made it.
	I didn't know what I was talking about.
	The thing with World War I, that was the beginning of my sentence, like I said, and the rest was what I was saying.
	But I wasn't even talking about that instance.
	I was talking about the first instance.
	That I didn't say like, this is a boundary and you've hurt me, you've upset me, whatever.
	That was from the first conversation.
	And then you still kept pushing.
	I don't care about the trench foot thing.
	But it's not.
	Okay, if we're having a conversation about, I think it all stemmed from possibly child support.
	We were talking about child support.
	And then like, I'm trying to engage you in thoughts and ideas.
	And then I'm trying to, and you gave an anecdotal because I was talking in generalities.
	You immediately go to a personal anecdote.
	So when I try to like intellectually investigate your worldview and your personal anecdote, if you don't give me enough space to actually investigate it, then it just shuts down the entire conversation.
	You brought it up.
	I was trying to suss out the degree, like the nature of the conversation.
	I was trying to suss out the nature of your anecdote.
	And you're just like, well, I'm not going to give you like certain details.
	It's like, well, okay, then I don't have a full comprehensive understanding of your anecdotal experience.
	I agree.
	And I had said that that was a boundary once we got deeper into that conversation.
	And I, what?
	What did I do?
	I just said, because you had said something that was insulting about my mother.
	So at that point, I was done with the conversation.
	And then you then asked me five more times.
	I did not ask you five times.
	Okay.
	I might maybe ask you different questions.
	You pushed it five different times.
	Asking me about the child support thing.
	And I had explicitly.
	You brought up the anecdote.
	Right, but I explicitly said it's a boundary.
	So if I'm not afraid of that, I'm sorry.
	You brought it up.
	I had said there were three of us at this table that had a child support issue that negated what you said.
	So I said, our personal experience does not reflect your opinion, which is fine.
	That's our experience.
	But then you were asking the personal comment about it.
	So I explained from there.
	But there is always a boundary with somebody about something that bothers them.
	So of course we could talk up until that point.
	But when I'm expressly telling you something bothers me and you're negating that because you don't agree with it, that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me.
	And that doesn't mean that it's not my boundary just because you don't respect it.
	I would love to see the clip back because while to be charitable, I was investigating your worldview and I was asking you different questions related to your anecdote.
	However, I think you're being disingenuous to say that I asked you the same exact question five times.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You're trying to paint it like it was a super clear cut.
	Like I asked you a question and then you made it as abundantly clear as possible that I don't want to talk about this.
	This is a boundary.
	What?
	You did ask multiple times.
	You did ask multiple times.
	We all saw it.
	I mean, we all were.
	But I didn't ask the same.
	I said my verbatim was not, you asked me the same question on repeat, on repeat, on repeat.
	I said you pushed the issue several times.
	Because I'm exploring.
	I get that's your job.
	I get that's your job.
	I get you're trying to get a reaction.
	I get you're trying to get a reaction.
	I'm not trying to get a reaction.
	Information, but if I'm explicitly telling you a boundary, just like anything in life, if someone is expressly telling you something bothers them, you don't get to determine it doesn't.
	That's me that bothers me.
	If you told me me talking about trench foot really bothered you, I would have stopped.
	We were having a completely disingenuous.
	I'm not.
	You're literally, yes, you're trying to say it's just about the trench foot, though.
	We were talking broadly about World War I and World War II.
	We actually were talking about abortion and then it kind of got over there, but yes.
	Well, that's where it went.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then I'm saying it's not comparable.
	When I tested your logic, you just shut down and you stonewalled.
	No, I'm okay.
	I'm saying once you hit a nerve and really said something that upset me about my mother, at that point, I was not wanting to engage.
	I thought it was disrespectful.
	I said it was a boundary and you crossed it.
	So for a bit there, I was upset because I thought it was disrespectful.
	So I took a back seat.
	It just seemed argumentative and hyper-focused on me at that point.
	And then we got past it.
	And we've had a pleasant conversation and disagreements and agreements throughout.
	But I'm saying what you said about my mother was a hard pass for me.
	Just like you said, if somebody said something to your dad or hurt your dad, it would be a hard pass for you.
	That's a boundary.
	Everybody has different boundaries.
	You don't have to agree with it.
	That was mine and I made it clear.
	Yeah, except I didn't say anything about your mother.
	I was asking no.
	I was asking clarifying questions.
	Asking a question isn't the same as like, it's not the same as saying your mother is X. If I'm asking you a clarifying question about the scenarios surrounding that incident, that's not saying something about your mother.
	You did, though.
	Can somebody, I don't know, what did I say?
	From the conversation, from what I remember, we were having this conversation about this situation that you were in, and he was asking clarifying questions saying, and then he said that there are cases out there where the women have said X and Y to the courts in order to get custody of the child.
	But he never actually said that your mother did that.
	But he said, we'll never know.
	I think that's how it ended.
	I said, which is implying that she did.
	And then he kept going with it.
	And so at that point, I'm not going to engage because that was what was implied.
	And I don't respect that.
	You don't have to agree.
	That's just okay.
	How did I cross your boundary?
	I don't necessarily think you did.
	I think we kind of got to the point where it was all the information was needed and we didn't need to go any further with that.
	I don't think that.
	I think I asked you maybe once or twice, but I don't feel like it was not respected.
	Okay.
	I mean, look, I'm the host of the podcast.
	It's my job to get to the bottom of this stuff when it comes to dating, etc.
	These conversations.
	Sometimes we're having heated exchanges.
	Sometimes we're talking about serious subjects matter.
	It's kind of my job as the host to like investigate those sorts of things.
	I mean, it is what it is, but whatever.
	I wasn't upset.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	So I guess we'll go back to the notes then.
	I don't know exactly where we left off, but oh, right.
	It was your story.
	You said you wanted to roast men.
	So what do you mean by that?
	You're about to make roasting men your whole personality, but that already is your personality.
	What do you roast men about?
	I said, when it's healthy banter, I think that's fun, which is what I think having a conversation is.
	Healthy banter and like roasting each other can be fun when you disagree.
	But like I said, at that point, it was not banter and it wasn't roasting.
	It was just rude.
	It was rude?
	Yes.
	It was disrespectful.
	I said I had a boundary and you kept pushing it.
	I mean, we don't need to do the same conversation several times.
	I just said that.
	Well, I don't look.
	I don't commit every single conversation on the show that I have to memory.
	I'd be interested to look back at it to see the truth of the matter.
	But, anyways, we'll move on from that.
	Master Debater, thank you, man.
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	Stonewall Jacqueline, if you can't take the heat, go back to the kitchen.
	Brian, don't let the strumpits gaslight you.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Thank you for the TTS, though.
	I do appreciate it.
	I do appreciate it.
	Okay, we already talked about what the men bring to the table thing.
	You said hookup culture has killed romance.
	When the priority becomes your roster or how many people you've slept with, which is an incredibly tacky question, by the way, you aren't interested in wowing someone.
	Making someone feel special and being romantic doesn't have to be expensive and it's never something you should have to ask for.
	For a guy who really values you, he does it automatically.
	No matter how strong the girl is, she wants someone who wants to make her feel special.
	A lot of things people get excited about are the bare fucking minimum.
	The bar is in hell from modern dating.
	Do you want to elaborate on that?
	I think that pretty much said it.
	I think hookup culture in general has really kind of invalidated romance and has really done away with it.
	And I don't think people really try and pursue or wow or date people anymore.
	It seems very casual and hookup oriented and it's just not how I work.
	You said here, which is an incredibly tacky question, by the way.
	Do you mean the body count question?
	Why is it tacky?
	I just don't think that's something that's appropriate to ask.
	I think on either end, I don't think a girl should ask a guy.
	I don't think a guy should ask a girl.
	Why is it tacky?
	Because I find it to be crazy.
	Don't you think that it could give some serious indicators as to the character of the person?
	I think if you have to ask a question like that, you don't know the person very well, and you would know how they treat you.
	You would know how they are as a person.
	I don't think that question is.
	But if you're looking at it from a logical standpoint, right?
	You're going to be with somebody for the rest of your life, or if that's what you're aiming to do, and you know that all of the statistical indicators point towards women with a lower body count being much more likely to have long marriages and not divorce their husbands.
	Don't you think if that was a really key factor to that, that you'd investigate it?
	I really don't think it's that important.
	Yeah, not for you, maybe, but can you understand why it would be important for a guy?
	I see why, in general, it's important.
	I also don't want a man that's been with a million women.
	I think it's gross in general, either way.
	If somebody has been like super hyper-sexually active with either sex, but that's just my opinion.
	I think you should ask a girl her body count before you even meet her.
	And I don't think it's tacky at all.
	You can ask it on the first date.
	I'll allude to it on the first date.
	Yeah.
	I mean, she also doesn't have to tell you.
	Like, she could be like, oh, she could be like, she told us her body counts too.
	She could have slept with 15 people for all we know, and she's telling us it's two.
	We don't know that.
	We don't know.
	I don't know.
	But if you're going to be lying at the start like that, I think there will be indicators as to the person's character.
	Like, they're lying about something significant like that.
	But how would you know that that lie will grow and there'll be much worse lies?
	How would you know?
	Because I think what I'm saying, though, is that that's an indicator.
	And then if they're dishonest about that, they're going to be dishonest about other big things.
	But how would you know unless you actually have with this person?
	If you're with somebody who's like a compulsive liar, eventually you start to put the pieces together and you start to realize, oh, this person, this doesn't add up, this doesn't add up.
	And then you'll put the pieces together and realize, oh, this person's just a liar.
	I've known a few of these people in my life.
	And they can actually fool you for a little while, but then eventually they just run out of steam.
	And normally these people have to bounce from relationship to relationship.
	So if there are big lies from the start, there are going to be more big lies.
	If you're coming in with it with a dishonest slate, then there's going to be more lies.
	And you'll notice for sure.
	And generally as well, you can tell by the way that she is.
	You can assess her past as well and some of her characteristics now.
	And then also, if you get to the freaky stuff, you can tell then as well.
	You can really tell.
	Because of why?
	Because of the vagina?
	Well, that can be a factor, but also because of the experience level.
	What if they had a lot of experience with that one person?
	What if that one person was like, hey, look at this porn?
	This is how I want you to give me head.
	Hey, look at how she's throwing it back here.
	That's how I want you to do it.
	Or what if you sat there and taught your person exactly how you like it, and then now they're on to someone else?
	Well, if they'd had long-term relationships in the past, then that would be a positive indicator that they haven't had lots of sexual experience.
	So that would contribute to it.
	But if they're like, I've been single for so long, I've only slept with like two guys or whatever, and then you get it and they're throwing it back and hawk touring it, then you know, you'd ask some questions.
	But there are indicators.
	You're never going to know.
	If somebody's lying, they can get away with it.
	But there are indicators.
	So guys don't like girls that take in, like, that are good in bed?
	Look, there are going to be, like, guys are going to like having sex with girls who are good in bed, right?
	That's always going to happen.
	If a girl, like, you know, guys are, there are going to be guys who want to have sex with porn stars because of the pure sexual experience.
	But when it comes to who you're looking for long term, then no, there's absolutely, I've got absolutely zero problem with teaching someone.
	And even with if I had to wait until to get married for her to have sex, I'd have no problem with that.
	I think, look, ask it before you even meet up with her.
	You meet her on a dating app.
	What's her body count?
	Fuck it.
	I don't think it's tacky, though.
	I would.
	Like, if somebody asked me that, I wouldn't find that.
	I wouldn't want to date somebody else.
	So here's the thing.
	I don't even have a high one.
	I just don't think it's respectful.
	It's not respectful.
	I don't think it's respectful, perfectly.
	I mean, but hold on, just to be clear.
	You want a guy to pay for the first date, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He's asking me on a date.
	So, but you because the guy's trying to assess a numerical number when it comes to your Sexual history.
	You, by wanting a guy to pay for the first date, are assessing him on a numerical number, his money.
	But you're also assessing him on his masculine virtue as well.
	And he's going to assess you on your feminine virtue.
	If it's like a walk through the park kind of thing, it doesn't have to be expensive.
	It doesn't have to be him paying.
	But I'm saying if he's the one initiating the date, I want him.
	But you don't initiate dates.
	Right.
	I wouldn't because I want somebody who it's the sentiment, though.
	It's the sentiment of you wanting that sort of masculine virtue out of him.
	Right.
	And as a man, he will have certain things that he cares about, and that might be just one of them.
	Right.
	But I just find that respect for me is the biggest thing.
	And you might not agree with this, but I feel like that's a disrespectful question to ask a stranger.
	No.
	Right.
	But I'm saying to me, that would be disrespectful, so I wouldn't be interested in that kind of person.
	I mean, sure, you can have that standard.
	I think it would actually point to, though, like a guy who doesn't care about this, or maybe painted better.
	So a lot of guys will care about body count, but some of them, they'll still sleep with a girl with a high body count just because they want to hit.
	So as a woman, if a guy is showing that sort of curiosity about your sexual history, this could be used by you as an indicator that he actually sees long-term potential in you.
	He's not just trying to hit it.
	If he's asking these sort of qualifying or disqualifying questions, he's actually like, because dude, if a guy's just trying to fuck you, he doesn't care.
	That's a really good point.
	If a guy's just trying to sleep with you, he's not going to ask.
	He's not going to care.
	But if he starts asking you about your values, if he's asking you about like your body count, if he's asking you about these things that maybe you find offensive, like, oh, why does that matter?
	He's looking at you like, I'm assessing this girl to date her.
	I want her to be my girlfriend.
	I want her to be my wife.
	So, I mean, you can look at it that way.
	I personally think when it comes to body count, it remains a perfectly acceptable metric and standard by which relationship-minded men can and frankly should be disqualifying women on.
	Sorry, that was weird.
	That was a period.
	If a guy isn't concerned about that, that should be more of a concern for you because, like Brian said, he's not looking at that sort of like feminine virtue that would see you as a long-term partner.
	But if he's looking at you and not caring, or if he's even more just wondering, are you seeing anybody else right now?
	That is an indicator that he's looking for something temporary.
	Okay, we're going to try to get through these last few things here as quick as possible.
	We have, let's see, one sec.
	Notes here.
	Oh, three C's.
	You said something about the three C's.
	Tell us what the three C's are.
	I think consideration, communication, and consistency are like the three major things in a relationship that can determine longevity.
	Because if someone's considering you in their actions, if they're being communicative consistently and they're providing like the same level of effort and consistency for you, then they're not like introducing you to a vibe they can't maintain.
	And I think that's showing you a lot of respect.
	And that's major.
	No, man, that sounds like a lot of work.
	Relationships are a lot of work.
	That is true.
	One chat here, then we're going to get into these notes real quick.
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	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Let's get into this.
	Starting with Natasha.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Like $150K.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'd say he just make like, I don't know, something equal a little more to me.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	100K.
	Okay.
	200,000.
	Not dollars.
	200.
	Yeah, 200k.
	How much do you make?
	Hopefully more than him.
	What do you mean, hopefully more than you?
	I would like a man that makes less money than me because I feel like that would even out the whole, you know, thing.
	Wait, you want a guy who makes less than you?
	So you make more than 200K?
	What do you do?
	Not now.
	I mean, in the near future.
	But I mean, you're 35.
	What?
	Yeah, I'm working on it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	What about you?
	Probably 70 to 80K.
	Okay.
	At least 60.
	Darkavia?
	80K.
	All right.
	You guys want some decently high-earning men there?
	Couple you with the six figures.
	200K, though.
	But 80K is not as much anymore.
	Like, everything is high.
	It's not as much as inflation.
	1200 is like 100 now.
	Rent's high.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	Absolutely not.
	Huh?
	I was reading the comment.
	Uh-huh.
	You can just ignore that.
	How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I'm 5'4 and it really doesn't matter.
	Doesn't matter?
	What about you?
	5'7, it don't matter.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'2 and my minimum is 5'6.
	That's fair.
	Okay, what about you?
	5'6, minimum 5'8.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'2, minimum 5'4.
	Okay.
	I'm 5'2, 5'10, minimum.
	You're at 5'11 here, but okay.
	5'4, I would probably say minimum is 5'5 and above.
	All right.
	Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
	A bear every freaking time.
	Every time.
	Every time.
	I said man.
	Man?
	Yeah, I said man.
	Man.
	Man.
	Bear.
	Uh-oh.
	Man.
	So, bear, bear.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	Why wouldn't I pick man?
	Because I think what a man would do to you in a forest when nobody's watching is worse than what a bear would do.
	A bear would do it quickly.
	What would they do to you?
	If the bear's going to kill you, it's going to be quick.
	No, they just eat you alive.
	They're going to rip your skin off and rip your face off and grab, put their tails.
	Better than dealing with the trauma that what a man would do to you in the forest.
	So you think if you just selected a random man in the population, just plunked one out, you think that he would kill you?
	Not necessarily kill you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	Because a bear won't sexually.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So because you guys are factoring in, like, yes, the man, the bear could kill you, the man could kill you, but the bear's not going to SA you.
	The man could SA you.
	You guys are obviously doing like a risk assessment.
	So let me just ask you both a question.
	You don't think every man could do this, right?
	No, but I also don't think every bear is going to go after you if you're not bothering them and they're not hungry.
	But so you don't think it's every man.
	What percentage of men do you think would do this then?
	Both things or at least just the SA.
	How about that?
	Half.
	Okay, 50%.
	20 to 30%.
	20-30%.
	Okay.
	I think there's a lot of men that might do something like that if they aren't thinking they're going to suffer the consequences for it and somebody wouldn't know.
	I don't think it's all men, but I do think that.
	But 50%.
	50%.
	Okay, so 50% of the male population in the United States, you think?
	Okay.
	Do you have any brothers?
	Not including children, you know?
	Yeah, just adult males.
	We'll exclude under age.
	Geriatric and children, yeah.
	Do you have any brothers?
	I have a half-brother and a stepbrother.
	Two brothers.
	I mean, neither one is full blood, and neither one I lived with.
	But you call them brothers.
	Two brothers.
	Not really, no.
	Well, half brother.
	Yeah, I wouldn't call.
	Yeah.
	I'm the only child.
	Okay.
	You have a dad?
	No.
	Not anymore.
	Okay.
	Grandparents?
	Yeah, grandparents.
	Male cousins?
	Male friends?
	Grandpa.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Your two brothers, so one of them is an essay her.
	I'm not saying it has to be from my family, but I think statistically across the U.S., at least half of the guys would not.
	Yeah.
	Including like your male family members.
	Yeah, I don't think any of them would do it, but yeah, obviously that would include the general male population.
	Okay.
	50% is quite a lot.
	It's half the male population.
	Don't you.
	So you must have a pretty negative view towards men then if you think 50% of them, maybe a majority.
	Some men.
	50 is not majority.
	50 is half.
	Well, it's half.
	Half of men, one out of two.
	You must have very negative attitudes towards half of men then.
	No, it's a belt.
	Everything's a belt.
	Do you think that they would essay you?
	It's pretty.
	Half of men, yeah.
	It's a pretty egregious thing to do.
	There's a lot of men in jail for that.
	There's a lot of men in jail, or not in jail for that.
	I think that is a problem.
	But, I mean, not half of men are not in jail.
	Wait, that doesn't mean they got caught.
	And half of men haven't had a lot of money.
	And there's still SA without grape.
	I mean, there's still levels of that.
	And I still think that that is safer than a random bear in a forest who might not even be hungry.
	Can I say something?
	Sure.
	Last weekend, I was hiking in the woods, and I came across a man, and he just walked right past me.
	Thank you for sharing that example.
	I do appreciate it.
	Who said bears do not have their capabilities?
	I'm going to say if the bear was feeling fruit.
	Maybe if it was mating season, it was mating season.
	I chose some men because even if he tries to essay me or kill me, I think I can take him over a bear.
	I think you could probably take a man.
	Yeah.
	I'll wait for him to go to sleep and then do stuff.
	Hold on, we have a message coming in here.
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	Someone in chat said it, but I will repeat it here.
	I bet 50% of men won't even approach a girl.
	Yeah, man.
	That's crazy.
	I think that 50%, that's a high number.
	It's ridiculous.
	That's a high number.
	You're throwing a lot of men under the bus.
	Do you think we might be surprised?
	I think it's just like a.
	I think you guys have a very different view of how safe a woman feels around men than how women feel around men.
	Yeah, I don't really feel too safe around bears, though.
	That's the thing.
	And I think it's just total bullshit.
	Like, if you were in the forest and then you saw the two and you saw some hungry bear, grizzly bear, and the shit that that bear could do to you, and then you saw Gavin, and you're like, who do I want to be trapped in this forest with?
	You're taking Gavin.
	You're not taking the bear.
	But you can say you'll take the bear.
	That's fine.
	Do you have that meme, Damien?
	I really stand by my answer.
	I'd rather die.
	I mean, the statistics don't reflect that this is the actual risk that a woman has, though.
	I mean, even the greatly skewed numbers from some of these organizations, like the one in four, that would put it at 25%, right?
	But if you look at like actual crime statistics, FBI, DOJ, the actual incidence rate of this is like fairly low.
	The girls at the table, have you ever felt unsafe with a man to the point where you felt your safety was jeopardized?
	You feel how you feel doesn't mean that the guy's gonna essay you.
	Like, I get you can feel how safe you would feel in a forest unsupervised with a man.
	That is also a feeling.
	But just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that that thing that you fear is gonna happen.
	The bear might also not bother you.
	I agree.
	It might not.
	The man could be totally benevolent, and if you're lost in the forest, more what do you think is more likely?
	If you're lost in the forest, do you think a man's gonna be benevolent?
	Like you go up to him and ask him for help.
	Do you think he's just gonna start essaying you, or do you think he's gonna help you?
	Like, what's more likely?
	I don't trust a random man in a forest.
	That is my stance.
	I mean, like, have you guys ever felt unsafe with a man to the point of your safety feeling jeopardized at least once in your life?
	I don't disagree.
	I bet every single woman here has felt unsafe around a man.
	I don't dispute that at all.
	Can I say something?
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so sometimes they make you feel safe before they essay you.
	So it's like that part.
	The funny part is that actually men actually have such a stronger inclination to protect a random woman than they do to essay them.
	So all of these, like, you can make a face about it if you want.
	But I was in Colombia a few weeks ago, and I was at a random gym in like an outdoor gym in Medellin.
	And we saw this guy sprinting and this lady running behind him, like yelping because he just sort of stolen something from her.
	And literally, there was 30 men around who literally clicked into gear and chased this dude around, captured him.
	It's all on my Instagram story.
	I filmed it, by the way.
	And they got him and then they got the girl's thing back and they were walking the girl back to the gym and back home.
	Like that is the natural inclination that men have.
	And I'm sorry that you have this like horrible view of men, but it's just simply not true.
	No, this is like what you said is like a horrendous view of men.
	You'd rather be dropped in the forest with a bear than you.
	And you think that 50% of men are likely to do that to you.
	You just don't understand men, clearly.
	But like most men would just.
	Just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't make it wrong.
	I'm saying that you're wrong.
	That's my opinion.
	So you just don't really understand.
	What is like the hyper-focus?
	There are other people who agree.
	Why do you get so like, so like snarky about everything?
	We're just having a conversation.
	Why can't you just have a conversation?
	It's always going to be like laboring your answers and stuff.
	It's just annoying anyway.
	Well, if you're berating me constantly.
	I'm not berating you.
	We're having a conversation.
	It's like you've never heard a contrary opinion in your life.
	Not at all.
	There was contrary opinions that we didn't agree on that I said, oh, I see your viewpoint.
	But when you're being constant all night, I'm telling you, from my perspective, having talked to you all night, it's like constant face.
	Can I ask you laboring?
	Hold on.
	Hold on, Darkevia.
	So you asked a question.
	You asked, why are we kind of focusing on you?
	Milena did pick bear.
	You're 100% right.
	She picked bear.
	She said, what, 20 to 30%?
	Typically, when you're having like a disagreement with somebody, you're going to tend to like want to have that disagreement with the person who takes a more hard line position.
	In this case, you said 50%.
	It seems like you have a bit more of a hard line.
	Like, you have a stronger position on this than Milena.
	And also, Milena's also been on the show before.
	And we've already kind of had, like, the debate with her.
	So that's kind of why it's been a bit more focused on you, specifically related to the bear question.
	So, I mean, that's an explanation to your answer.
	But look, I don't really want to linger on the bear thing for too long.
	Just how about this?
	Clarifying, a couple clarifying things.
	If it was 10 men versus 10 bears, does that change anything?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Like, would you prefer the 10 men then?
	Yeah, because I think when there are people with each other, you have more of a responsibility to act accordingly to social standards.
	I think when men are alone, sometimes that's where the problem is.
	But if there's 10 men and if they're 50% disposed to essaying you and 50% not, how do you know that 50% of them are just going to overrule the rest of the guys?
	I still don't think that they're going to take the chance to do something that's inappropriate when there's other witnesses.
	Whereas somebody alone is a lot of people.
	So you trust the benevolence of the men?
	I trust the group.
	Okay.
	Like there's a distribution of responsibility.
	Oh, do you want kids?
	Yeah.
	Do you know how many kids you want?
	Preferably three.
	Three kids.
	If you have three sons, you're prepared to take the position that one or even two of them are essayers.
	I didn't say it's all men.
	Some men are great.
	No, but you said 50%.
	It doesn't have to include my family.
	Well, statistically, it would have to include your family.
	So you have to.
	There's also thousands of people in the United States that would factor into that.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, if we're looking statistically at 50%, like do you want me to say 40?
	Does that make you feel better?
	Okay, so one of them, one and a quarter?
	I mean.
	That's just my stance.
	I don't know that's fine.
	I think when men are alone, they do things that are not appropriate.
	I know that.
	Sure, that's relatives.
	And when they're together, too.
	I was going to say relatives do essay people.
	I said a lot of times relatives do essay people, so you do have to factor in.
	But I just want to be clear: when you're raising, if you have three sons, when you're raising your three sons, you're going to be raising them and thinking of them as like future rapists.
	Like, that's your view of your sons?
	No, because I know the things that I'm instilling in them, that doesn't go for the entire general population.
	They didn't have the same upbringing.
	They don't have the same family values.
	That's totally different.
	Everybody has a different experience.
	So you'll be the statistical outlier then when it comes to.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If that's your position.
	Here, how about what about the hmm?
	Wait, if we change this question to instead of it being a man, like, do you think your position is sexist?
	No.
	No, it's not.
	If we were to change it to instead of a man or a bear, it's a black person or a bear, and the person picks bear, the person picks bear, are they racist?
	No.
	You're saying as like a follow-up or like just in general, that's the first question.
	Yeah, so if we change the question to just be, would you rather cross paths with a black person or a bear in the forest and they pick bear instead of black person, would that be racist?
	No.
	Depends who's making it.
	It depends who's a person.
	I'm not going to lie.
	If a white person said it, it's racist.
	Is there a 50% chance it would be a woman?
	Yeah.
	No, no, but let's say a black man.
	So if it was a black man or a bear, what would you choose?
	It's still a man.
	A black man is still on man.
	So you think she's racist?
	No, because she just said it before.
	I don't know if y'all heard it, but she said like if it was a black woman there, then she would still feel safe.
	So I think it's more of a sexist thing, not a racism thing.
	How about if a man, a white man, picks the bear?
	Yeah, that's racist.
	Oh.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, hold on.
	Unless you said what she just said.
	So here, here's the scenario.
	You've had bad experiences with men.
	100% believe it.
	I'm sure most of you women here have had bad experiences, maybe awful, terrible experiences.
	Let's say, though, a white person has had one, two, and three terrible experiences with A or multiple black people.
	And then they see on the news reports about these crimes that black people, I'm not saying this is the case, but just this is the hypothetical scenario that these black people are committing.
	They're part of online groups.
	They have the TikTok algorithm, which they watch all these videos on TikTok, and the algorithm keeps feeding them stories about black on white crime.
	Because of their safety concerns, they're scared of black people.
	They believe all black people have the potential or capacity for violence or assault of some kind.
	Would this person be racist?
	I think.
	To the point that instead of coming across a black person in the woods, they come across a giant wild animal.
	Well, I think, honestly, they're being fed a certain image of black people.
	Or if they had the experience, like how you said, they went like one right after the other, after the other, and they had bad experiences.
	Let's say two or three.
	Bad experiences.
	I mean, that's their personal experience.
	Are they racist, though?
	If they think that every black person is going to be like that just because they're black, let's say they're racist.
	50% of black people.
	If they're saying like 50%, I think 50% of black people might act like this because their experience is this, and it's not, I don't think it's racist.
	I think they're looking at it as an experience, like a personal view.
	They're not saying that, like, for instance, if they met her and then they met me and they're like, oh, both you guys are, you know, black girls or whatever.
	So how she acts might not be like how I act or vice versa.
	People are individuals, yeah.
	Yeah, so it's like.
	Okay.
	So it's not racist.
	Do you think that would be racist, the scenario I provided?
	Me personally, I think that would be racist because the ultimate minority is the individual.
	Okay, that's going to fall on deaf ears.
	Never mind.
	I agree.
	About what?
	That it's racist.
	And I think my opinion's sexist, but I can say that with my chest.
	That's what I said when he gave it the example of like just based off the person being black that you're scared, then okay.
	How about this?
	That's racist.
	Let me like, would you, if you guys could, like, would you prefer, would you prefer to be like on the subway, like just with other women at night?
	Like as opposed to other men.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	So then because of a white person's bad experiences with black people, they would prefer to just have like a white segregated subway.
	Would you guys how is that not racist?
	No, that is racist.
	You didn't say it like that though.
	You said that if they were in a forest by themselves, like they're alone by themselves and they're actually genuinely like deathly scared of this black person.
	Like, oh, this black person, if I'm here with them, they're going to kill me like they do on the news and stuff.
	Like they're genuinely scared of them the same way somebody is scared of the bear.
	That's different.
	But they're like, oh, because you're black, I don't want to be in this thing with you because you're just a different skin color.
	That's being racist.
	Like you never came across nobody black that did anything wrong to you.
	Final question on this.
	A white person wants to live in a white-only dormitory in college.
	Is that racist?
	Yeah.
	Yes, having the dormitory.
	Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's the white person wanting to be there because that's common.
	It's the fact that you have a dormitory just for white people.
	That's where it's segregation.
	You got HBCUs.
	Here is audience.
	But white people could go to HBCUs.
	Yeah, white people can go to HBCUs.
	It's not a form of sort of segregation, though, isn't it?
	No, actually, no, it's not a form of segregation because everyone is welcome if you apply to go there.
	The only difference is it's emphasizing on black excellence.
	Do you think that if we had a would it be racist to have a white, historically white university where black people go there?
	No.
	Because that's the thing.
	How do you think that mainstream society would say that if we had a historically white university, they're all historically white universities.
	Hold on a second.
	Wait till I finish my sentence.
	Wait till I finish my sentence and then we can jump in.
	You can jump right in.
	You can jump right in.
	So if it's a historically white university and they were celebrating white excellence, do you think that society would think that that's a good thing?
	That's not what Princeton and Harvard and those Ivy League schools do?
	No.
	That is what they did.
	They did that.
	It's very hard for minorities to get in there.
	Just one sec.
	Speaking for all men.
	Yo, big sass.
	I know for a fact most all men would find a higher call to duty to get the woman out of the woods in this scenario no man would think of sling you well let's be let's be fair There's a man.
	I'm glad that that's the men you surround yourself with.
	I mean, it's been like 10 years ago, men started asking for consent just because of the Me Too movement.
	Before that, it was like, bend over.
	Come on.
	Even in 90s.
	Do you want the guy to ask you for consent today?
	Yes, I would like to always be asked for consent.
	Yeah, of course.
	Judy, what do you want me to say?
	Can I touch you here?
	Can I touch you here?
	Not like that, but it's the same with you.
	Would you like, well, maybe you would, a woman to come and like touch you all over?
	No, no, no.
	But if you're in a situation where you're romantically involved with something.
	That's different.
	No woman wants that.
	No woman wants something to start saying, can I do this?
	Can I do this?
	They want you to take the leap.
	She was like, she hit the dude up to come and fuck her.
	Is that not consent?
	That is consent.
	But what I mean is men haven't really taken into consideration women's anything.
	Like the whole bear thing, that's where it's coming from.
	It's like, oh, we'd rather because it's been so horrible.
	It's not because you guys have been so nice to us for like millions of years.
	It's been like pretty bad.
	We've been nice to you guys for millions of years.
	You have?
	Is that why they passed that law where they can marry nine-year-old girls in Iraq now?
	We're not talking about those countries.
	That's a different culture.
	That's a totally different.
	That's a different culture.
	We could have a different conversation.
	So American men never essayed anybody or graped anyone.
	And they didn't even get to the point.
	We're not like crime denialists here.
	Yes.
	Yes, this crime is an awful crime.
	It should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
	And there would be some dudes who would see you in that forest and want to, you know.
	But I think a much, much smaller percentage.
	So what's the percentage for you guys?
	Like 20%?
	No, not even close.
	I think it would be much, much less than that.
	I would go off of whatever like the FBI and the DOJ statistics are.
	Like the incidence rate.
	That's what I would go off of.
	I don't have it in front of me, but it's not 50%.
	It's not 20%.
	It's not 30%.
	Put it this way.
	If I had a little sister, I wouldn't advise her to go walking in the woods alone.
	we do have to move it on to the next thing we're going to go to we're not going to hit all of these just for the sake of time but uh starting okay natasha you said you so here's the statement and then you're disagreeing with the statement Women have equal rights to men in the United States.
	Natasha, Trinidad, Beyondi, you disagree.
	Callie, you disagree.
	And then I think that's it.
	Why don't we here?
	Why don't we start with Callie and we work our way down to Natasha just for a little change of pace?
	Why do you disagree?
	Women.
	So the statement is women have equal rights to men in the USA.
	You disagree.
	Honestly, it doesn't feel like it.
	And I know this is unevolved, like the most evolved country, I guess, where women have it, you know, they're independent and they're making as much money or maybe more money than men.
	But it's such an uphill battle.
	Like every time I don't, and it's hard for me to explain it because anything I say is going to sound like complaining to you guys or, oh, poor little whatever.
	But it's truly perfect example.
	You know, I write comedy.
	I'm a writer and I am always around guys.
	And to this day, there's always, I always have to prove myself, even though that's how I make money.
	That's how I make a living for years now.
	I always have to be like, oh, yeah, comedy, oh, you're funny.
	Like, you always have to be like.
	That's because women aren't funny, though.
	Well, but I've been making more money than you with comedy, so please.
	Well, you don't know how much money I make.
	You look pretty broke.
	Men have to prove themselves, too.
	Whenever you're in some sort of creative endeavor, it's not, you think, like, men, it's just handed to them on the silver platter.
	It's not handed, but there's the shit, the handshakes and the golf tests.
	Tell us, tell us about the camaraderie.
	Comedy don't play comedy.
	The frat house.
	The rich ones do.
	Tell us a good joke.
	No, fuck you.
	Make it funny.
	Tell us a good joke.
	You're a comedian.
	You're gonna pay me?
	You're a comedian.
	Tell us about it.
	You're gonna pay me?
	Three women on fire, I told you.
	You're a man.
	Can you get something?
	So you've faced difficulties in your comedy career.
	So the statement is: women have equal rights to men in the United States.
	Is there anything else that you why do you disagree besides that?
	The comedy stuff?
	Also, because when a woman gives birth, she's expected to be back at work in like six weeks or what is it?
	Three months or something.
	And the guy is not going to be able to do that.
	Provide for his family or something.
	The what?
	The guy has to provide for his family.
	Oh, of course.
	But then we're wrecked with the is giving birth to you means nothing?
	You think a robot can do it?
	Or maybe a man you can hire a man to do it.
	Just to move things along here a little bit.
	I'm not sure this is the most compelling argument just because women get more maternity leave, excuse me, maternity leave than men get paternity leave.
	So I don't think this is really a compelling argument when it comes to equal rights.
	It doesn't feel equal.
	Even to the dollar, we don't make the same amount.
	Okay, that's the wage gap.
	That's another thing.
	But sure.
	Anything else?
	That's it.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I wanted to mention that our woman has never been president in the United States.
	And then most of the CEOs are men.
	So I just think that it's not really an even playing field in that sense.
	But so we can engage with those, but it's about equal rights.
	So a woman has an equal right to try to become the president, right?
	Sure.
	There's nothing, there's no law that says women can't be president, right?
	Right.
	Okay.
	And there's no law that prevents women from being CEOs.
	In fact, there are women CEOs, Yahoo, et cetera.
	Right.
	But I just think Twitter has a female CEO.
	Okay, so I take it back.
	I think we do have the same amount of rights.
	Same amount of rights.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I was thinking more so like how she was saying, not like necessarily like CEOs or president or anything like that, but just like as in the right.
	And like how I guess you touched on it, like equal pay, things like that.
	But also like to kind of piggyback off of what she was saying about like her comedy career, things like that, like how you asked me earlier, like, hey, in the music industry, you might get people who'd be like, hey, I'll sleep, you know, like things like that.
	We don't, like, it is harder.
	And I think more so what she was saying, kind of, again, to piggyback off the working harder for the respect in the room, it's like when it's a male dominant field, it's different for women involved.
	Who's the highest earning musical artist in 2024?
	I don't know.
	Taylor Swift.
	Taylor Swift.
	Okay.
	I mean, what barriers do women have when it comes to marriage?
	I mean, also, if you're going to use Taylor Swift as an example, what about all the issues she had with her management and the money that they were taking from her and things like that?
	And it's a whole guy who did that and literally manipulated a lot of people, took money from a lot of people, stole from a lot of people.
	You know, it's like.
	Poor Taylor Swift with her billions of dollars.
	Just because she had billions of people.
	I'm actually very familiar with what you're talking about.
	Scooter Braun bought the master recordings to her back catalog.
	There was nothing illegal done.
	He legally bought them.
	Her dad was like on the board of directors for the recording company.
	He signed off on it.
	She knew what was happening.
	She could have bought them herself, or there could have been steps taken if she really didn't want him to buy it.
	But he didn't steal it.
	There was a contract.
	I mean, he didn't do anything.
	I don't really pay.
	Obviously, I don't know Taylor Swift like that because I didn't even know she was a high school person.
	Now, what she ended up doing, though, she ended up just making up a whole bunch of bogus claims about the whole scenario and pretty much ended up, which ended up resulting in Scooter Braun getting death threats, being harassed.
	She's got like very vicious fans, and she totally like painted this picture that wasn't at all charitable to his position.
	So, I mean, who's the worst in that position?
	He legally bought her masters.
	If she didn't want that to happen, she could have prevented it.
	The record company, who her dad's part of, signed off on the deal.
	But listen, he just said, like, her dad, the record company, most people at the record companies are men too.
	So it's like.
	I mean, Michael Jackson bought the masters for the Beatles.
	I mean, look, this is just something that happens in the recording industry.
	He was killed when he tried to buy his masters from them.
	I don't know what the deal is with that.
	Yeah, a lot of times in these industries, though, men are just going to be better at a lot of these sorts of things.
	So there's going to be a gap naturally.
	Like, even with entertainment, for example, women are only, especially when it comes to singers, for example, if they're not relying on their sexuality, then there's really not much of an avenue for there's not that many women who are just purely creative.
	I kind of want to debate you on this, Jake.
	Let's do it.
	I mean, Taylor Swift, I don't think she's relying on her sexuality all the time.
	She is an outlier when it comes to the pressure.
	But generally speaking, women tend to rely on their sexuality.
	Whereas I think men just have a broader spectrum of things that they can rely on in terms of like you've got some like gross, ugly dudes who are like Pitbull, who's a successful recording artist.
	No, and I agree, so I cut you off and stuff, but I agree with what you're saying.
	But I feel like that aspect comes from a lot of the women having to sleep with people in their career because they feel like they have to or else they're not going to make it somewhere.
	And they're rather going to do something for someone they're sleeping with than someone who told them no.
	So here, just to, I guess, get to the bottom of this, is like the casting couch in the entertainment industry, music industry, is that bad?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Is there a lot of shady stuff going on?
	Absolutely.
	But like, it's not clear to me because the statement is women have equal rights to men in the United States.
	You disagree.
	What is the casting couch?
	Oh, casting couch is like, yeah, the casting couch is kind of this idea of like a guy, a man who's like a producer in Hollywood, he'll give a woman a role if she sleeps with him.
	What Harvey Weinstein did, basically.
	Yeah.
	And so this is absolutely a phenomenon in the music industry, in the entertainment industry.
	Is it bad?
	Is it inappropriate?
	Absolutely.
	But I don't know if it's evidence of a discrepancy when it comes to rights between men and women.
	After listening to them and like what you were saying and stuff, I was like, I kind of was just piggybacking off of that.
	But now that you made that clear and like the equal pay and that's the whole thing.
	So it goes to show that they still have to leverage their sexuality.
	All of the women who progress up through the highlights.
	It's harder, especially when you don't like, for instance, you asked me how many times I said like coochie in my song, I said never because that's not the image that I'm portraying.
	It happens in a lot of industries.
	No, it does, though.
	And even with comedy, for example, whenever you see women who are aspiring comedians, oftentimes they'll walk out and they'll try and act like a man.
	You know, they'll say, you know, something about like something like vulgar.
	I saw one the other day where she just started burping into the microphone.
	It's very hard for women to capture a feminine essence whilst being funny.
	Yeah.
	Natasha, women have equal rights to men in the USA.
	You disagree.
	Why is that?
	I was going to agree.
	I don't think I agree with the wording of that.
	I think treatment is different.
	There's discrepancy in treatment and in wage, but in actual legal rights in the U.S., I do think it's equal.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I mean, I mean, I can't really argue with you on the original statement then if you think that there are total that is your position though.
	You think there are 100% equal rights between men and women?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Moving on to the next one then.
	Perhaps this is more related.
	The statement is women are not oppressed in the USA.
	You disagree.
	And then Callie, you did not disagree.
	So you three disagree.
	So your position is women are oppressed in the United States?
	Is that your position?
	Your position?
	How?
	I think even having conversations about what a woman can do with their body is oppressing a woman.
	That's oppressing a woman.
	In a majority of politics, a lot of politicians are men.
	So it's men making that decision for her.
	But the people who elect the politicians are women.
	Right, but that's still oppression.
	Here, before we, I guess before we get into the weeds of it, is there anything else?
	Other examples of how women are oppressed?
	That's what I mean.
	Just the abortion thing?
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, no, I kind of agree with that.
	And then, I don't know.
	Is there anything else besides the abortion stuff, though?
	Well, yeah, there's other things, but like.
	Like what?
	Well, I was trying to think of it, but then you keep asking, you're like cutting me off, and then now I'm thinking about it.
	Think about it.
	We'll come back to you.
	So I guess I can go back to the president thing here.
	And I do think they are oppressed in that form because they haven't had representation to look up to and aspire to.
	Sure.
	Well, I mean, it hasn't happened yet.
	But it's not clear if it's a just because something hasn't happened.
	It's not clear if that's oppression.
	But it is oppression because if they weren't oppressed, they would have gotten there by now.
	We've had how many presidents already still?
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	There hasn't been an atheist who's become president.
	Are atheists oppressed?
	Sure.
	Because we live in a predominantly Christian society.
	So I think atheists, you know, they're not going to be treated as equally as Christians are in a predominantly Christian society.
	Okay.
	When I think of oppression, I think of like really unfair, like unfair, unjust treatment.
	Women can become president.
	Correct.
	So just because a woman hasn't yet, I mean, you had the woman vice president.
	Kamala Harris was the nominee for the Democratic Party.
	She could have become president.
	If it's put down to a vote, you know, if it's put down to a vote and people vote on it and they decide not to have the woman president, don't you think that's equal?
	They had the opportunity, but they don't want to listen to Kamala Harris's stupid voice for like four years.
	That's fair.
	But Trump's voice is better.
	Yes, much better.
	He's got a lot of Trumpers.
	I knew it.
	I knew it from the beginning.
	This was a Trump freaking pod.
	Yeah, of course.
	I mean, of course.
	Deportation and plane crashes and oh, let's make American white again.
	Did Trump crush the podcast?
	Put black people back, those animals.
	That's what you believe in.
	Hold on.
	Nobody on the podcast said any of that stuff.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	That's what Trump said.
	Not you guys.
	When did Trump say that we should vote?
	It's been two weeks.
	He's sending all kinds of people back.
	You mean illegal immigrants that illegally came into the country?
	Animals, black people, just when did he say the immigrants, Mexicans?
	You just say things and you don't really know what you're talking about.
	I know what I'm talking about.
	You're a Trumper.
	That's all I need to know.
	Well, you got that pilot.
	It doesn't count.
	You can't vote.
	That's not a problem.
	I can't vote, but one day I will be able to vote.
	Okay.
	You're voting for the next Trump.
	We'll probably talk about Trump all night.
	I want to stick it to the...
	So, okay.
	I do have one idea.
	Yeah, woman hasn't become president.
	Okay, so another way a woman was oppressed was in like medical studies.
	A lot of doctors in the past have done experiments on women's bodies.
	For example, forced sterilization.
	And that happened here, so that's oppressive.
	I mean, this happened to, wasn't it like the There's lots of, it's not gender-specific, though.
	You've got MKUltra, which was a project run by the government that did all sorts of experiments on people.
	And there's another one where they gave black people syphilis as well.
	Right, and that is racist.
	And it is also oppressive to black people.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so, okay, there's a couple things there.
	So there was like the abortion thing.
	I don't know.
	We already talked about like the abortion stuff.
	I don't know if it's really worth going back to it.
	I don't know if that's evidence like the that's evidence.
	Forced sterilization is not evidence of women being oppressed.
	I mean, you're involuntarily.
	Here, let's investigate it a little bit.
	How many women were sterilized?
	I don't have the stats.
	Okay.
	Do you think were men also sterilized?
	No.
	In Puerto Rico, I know that when America first bought it, they sterilized the women there because they wanted to have less percentage of the Taino bloodline and African descent.
	So they did sterilize women there, and it was like a huge majority of them.
	They didn't do it to the men, though.
	Yeah, I'll just go ahead and grant the argument that if there were specific, like those specific women were, like, they were scientifically experimented on and it was like unethical and they're sterilized.
	Yeah, I think that that, I don't know if it meets the definition of, I'll just go ahead and say it's oppression.
	But it's like it's a very specific group and we're talking about like we can find it.
	We can find like massive amounts of evidence of like tons of men being treated unfairly.
	Does that mean that men in general are oppressed in the United States?
	I see what you're saying and I think you're right.
	Okay.
	So do you think men are oppressed too?
	Sure.
	Some men are oppressed.
	So everyone's minority women for sure.
	What about the fact that all men have to register for the selective service and potentially be subject to forced military conscription?
	All men have this burden.
	It seems to me like that would mean that all men are oppressed in the United States.
	But wouldn't you want to fight for your country?
	Isn't that an honor?
	What if you don't?
	What if a man doesn't want to?
	Not necessarily, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, how would you feel if there was a draft that forced women to have to have children?
	Would you be fine with it?
	Sure, if it was for you'd be totally okay with it.
	I'm okay with popping out a kid.
	Five.
	But you're just too confident.
	I mean, you can have consensual sex, but you would like, you would, I guess, would it?
	If it was for the love of my life.
	Yeah, it's with a guy you're dating, and they're like, you need to have a baby today.
	I mean, if it's if the world population depended on me having a baby, I would have baby.
	Like, I would, I want, I already want one, so.
	But you'd be okay with the government passing a law that says you and other women who maybe don't feel the same way as you, they have to have kids too.
	Okay, I guess the government shouldn't really be saying what women should do with their bodies.
	They're already doing that by saying no to abortion.
	They're like, you have to have the kid.
	I mean, in Texas, down to the, there's individual states.
	And abortion is killing another human being, so it's not, it's not your body.
	Yeah, but then when we have the kid, you bounce and you don't help us.
	You're like, no, child support is the devil.
	Actually, most guys don't.
	Most guys just look after their families and are pretty good guys.
	That's nice.
	It is nice.
	It is nice.
	I mean, you could, I mean, there's definitely like three bodily autonomy arguments you can make that impact men more so than even abortion.
	I mean, you have forced military conscription.
	You have circumcision upon birth, and then you have, well, I mean, perhaps it's even four because of discrepancies when it comes to criminal penalties.
	But men are much more likely to be sent to jail versus women for the same crime, this sort of thing.
	But then you have also, when it comes to child support, again, we established 90% of child support payment goes from men to women.
	So the government's prepared to take away men's bodily autonomy by throwing them into jail if they don't pay child support.
	Which, mind you, we've totally done away with debtors' prisons.
	Like if you have a debt to a company, no matter you don't have if you don't pay the debt or you have student loans, if you don't pay them, there's no scenario where you can ever be sent to prison for financial debt.
	The only financial debt that you can ever be sent to prison or jail for is failed failure to pay child support.
	We realize that debtors' prison is unethical, except it's okay to do the men, which I find kind of interesting.
	But so men have like a lot of bodily autonomy because women could be on child support too.
	Yes, I already granted this.
	Hold on.
	Are some men essayed?
	Yes.
	Yes, for sure.
	But women are essayed more than men?
	No, I wouldn't say necessarily because you don't really have real statistics for men because men, like as much as women don't report it, men don't report it 10 times more than that.
	So it's a problem that's equally spread amongst men and women.
	You don't think that that's particularly important.
	I feel like men that are essayed, like especially at a younger age, because I do have one, there's like children.
	Yeah, well, because like what I learned, because I do have a minor in psychology for child development and I worked in like schools with kids and stuff like that.
	That does stem, like that, that puts something on anyone's mental for like when they grow up.
	So like most of the time, like for instance, how you're saying one in if she had three sons, one in the three would be an essayer.
	Not necessarily unless they were like impacted that way.
	Sure, maybe the incidence rate.
	I mean, maybe if it's even higher for like when children are abused, it might even be higher, like boys or whatever.
	But I mean, like, let's say like adults, like how about women, people on college campuses?
	Do you think it's like 50-50 when it comes to essay on college campuses?
	Yeah.
	Like, but so if you're saying, well, like, essay towards women is like this really big deal on college campuses.
	And I was like, well, yeah, but some men get essayed.
	But you would point out, like, yeah, but there's more women who get it doesn't take away the fact that it still happens to men.
	Sure, absolutely.
	I agree with you.
	But I don't know.
	It's just like the child support thing, like it's what, okay, I don't know.
	It still happens.
	How about this?
	It's it's bad.
	It's bad when women also get thrown into jail when they don't pay child support.
	It is, but yeah.
	But it's, it's actually, in addition to that, just way less likely to happen for women because there's a bias in the court system.
	But my thing is that they're going to be more lenient towards deadbeat moms.
	No, but my thing is this, too.
	Why are we paying our tax dollars on people who don't want to be in their kids' life?
	Like, that should be something.
	Like, we pay for people to be in jail too and stuff.
	We're paying for the police to watch them.
	And like, I'm really paying for somebody who didn't want to take care of their kids.
	You're right.
	I think we should abolish that.
	We should abolish like prison sentences for people who don't pay child support.
	Yeah, do something else for them.
	Sure.
	Did you have anything else on this, Natasha?
	The women are not.
	You disagree?
	Women are not oppressed in the USA?
	No.
	Oh, how about this?
	Men are more oppressed than women.
	Your thoughts?
	Into the mic if you can.
	I don't think men are more oppressed in the United States.
	I think that.
	Do you think they're oppressed at all?
	Men are oppressed?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I also think that they can be sexually assaulted.
	I think that they have less of a propensity to say when that happens.
	But I think in terms of a higher number, women, I do still think, get SA'd more because a man is able to overpower them usually more physically.
	It doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
	I'm more interested in the oppression conversation, though.
	What was the question?
	If men can also be oppressed?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I think men are more oppressed than women.
	I don't.
	I think that, like, traditionally and historically, they have had an easier time.
	They could have public office.
	They could vote.
	They could do all of these things.
	Yeah, could do those too?
	Not until the last in recent times.
	But historically, it's been more catered to men.
	So I think in general, men are less oppressed.
	I mean, you do realize that throughout all of human, the microphone came out of nowhere.
	Throughout all of human history, like 99% of men couldn't vote.
	I wouldn't say it's 99% of men.
	Yes, there were kings who were in the city.
	So where is this stat from?
	Okay, here, Damien, pull up some infographics here.
	So if you go, Damien, pull up the Discord infographics tab.
	So you had kings, monarchs, emperors, this sort of thing.
	Powers was centralized in a very, very small amount of hands.
	Democracy is a very new thing.
	Yeah, so in the United States, for example, the time period where all men could vote and when all women could vote, there was a 50-year difference.
	And you might say that prior to that, it was still men voting.
	It might not have been all men, but it was still men voting.
	So you could say that people of color in that situation were oppressed because it was white men voting and people of affluence.
	I'm not interested in the intersectional conversation.
	I'll have the conversation of like, because then we just look, we can talk about like, well, okay, let's start doing intersection.
	Let's talk about like disabled people.
	We can talk about like all these different intersections of like how different groups of people and how they intersect were oppressed.
	We got to keep it to just like men and women.
	Okay, then I disagree because I think historically men have been able to do things women cannot, including voting.
	For 50 years.
	There's a 50-year difference.
	That's still 50 years.
	Yeah, let me ask you a question.
	So building public office, there was a lot of different things that men could do that women couldn't.
	So...
	Have your own credit card?
	You couldn't do that without a male signer.
	Yeah, so going to the voting thing, though.
	Damien, do you have the infographics tab pulled up?
	Go ahead, pull it up for me so I can get this going.
	Yeah, percentage of popular.
	There's a different one that I think exile that really quick.
	Yeah, this one's a bit better.
	Countries with universal right to vote.
	So the green, or excuse me, not the green, the brown, no universal right to vote.
	So that's going back to 1789.
	In 1850, some men started getting the right to vote.
	And then you had in, but it was very, like, very small.
	And then, oh, this is universal.
	Let's, you know, this is a bunch of, this is an amalgamation of different countries.
	Can you go back to the other one?
	Yeah.
	So, oh, wait, is there another one?
	Just those two?
	Okay, do that first one.
	So I believe this is in parliamentary.
	I believe this is in the UK then.
	So the pink is women, blue is men.
	So 1600, 1700, 1,800, you did have like a small proportion of men, but like that leaves 99, 98% of men who couldn't vote.
	And then what you end up seeing is there's a brief period for about 50 years there where like a bit more men could vote and then a bit more men could vote.
	And then in just a 50 years time, it just completely equalized.
	Now, and that was in, that happened in like the early 1900s.
	Do you know when the women's right to vote, when it was ratified?
	The 19th Amendment?
	I don't remember, no.
	It was like 1920 is when it was ratified.
	18 or 19, yeah.
	1920.
	Do you know what happened right before 1920?
	Like in general?
	Big world, big world event.
	Yeah.
	The war, you mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	World War One.
	World War I.
	So here's a major difference.
	I don't know about you, but if I was an 18-year-old in 1914 living in Germany or France, I think I would trade my right to vote to not be sent to like Amiens or like the Ardennes Forest or some sort of like offensive in North Africa and just like have like absolutely insane trench foot,
	as he said, or have shell shock and here like have permanent tinnitus where my ears are ringing from like the constant bombardment.
	I think I would have rather been a woman at 18 in you know 1914 living in Europe than you know being a man.
	By the way, most men even then, a lot of them didn't even have the right to vote.
	But men got the right to vote because they had more duty.
	They had more responsibility.
	You women got to dodge the ultimate, I mean, the ultimate sacrifice would be having to die for your country.
	And so men got, as a woman, you can't be drafted to go to war.
	The government can't force you to go to war, right?
	Men should have, I think men should have more say if their government representatives can say, okay, we're going to send you to war to go die.
	I kind of think that that was the fair trade-off.
	How about today?
	Would you be a woman if you could?
	Would you try being a man for being a woman since you're so oppressed and so sad?
	I mean, I'm happy to articulate ways in which men are disadvantaged.
	I think I'm also happy being a man.
	Okay.
	But it's not, I think there are certain privileges that women have to trump those of my supposed male privilege.
	Because now you can vote and you don't have to go to war.
	You have all of the luxuries.
	I mean, we still, guys, being a woman is pure pain.
	It just looks flashy because we, you know, put the makeup on and all the flashy stuff, but it's mostly painful.
	Like, we're emotional beings.
	We got to bleed every month for 35 plus years.
	Then the menopause.
	It's like we get like one week a month to be a human.
	It sucks.
	It's just.
	I mean, but that's a some of the things you listed were biological in nature that you can't really do anything about.
	Exactly.
	But you guys get the advantage on that, I think.
	Having a male body.
	The fact that we don't have to have a period is an advantage.
	I mean, do you want to contend with the argument, though?
	I mean, you obviously disagree with me.
	You think my position is untenable.
	Do you want to like forward really?
	I mean, that's kind of disappointing that you don't want to have a back and forth.
	I've never said my piece.
	I don't think we're going to agree on it.
	That's my point.
	I think you guys are also oppressed.
	I think we're oppressed in different ways.
	It doesn't mean that you're more oppressed or less oppressed.
	No, it's just different.
	But so for the I, what I was trying to say about the voting, vast majority of human history, nobody had the right to vote.
	It was monarchs, dictators, kings, queens, emperors, whatever.
	Then, because of warfare, Men had to be forced to go to war.
	Men had a greater vested interest in saying, like, yeah, I don't want to get sent to Passchendale.
	I don't want to go get sent to one of these like offensive fronts in some European country to fight some war because Archduke Franz Ferdinand got fucking capped by some Serbian Serbian.
	What was his name?
	Fucking Gavril Princeep or whatever.
	Okay, anyways, I'm getting fucking in the weeds here.
	But even with the credit cards and stuff, too.
	The fact of the matter is that men had to incur all of the debt.
	So they had to incur all of their wife's debt as well.
	And they were responsible for that.
	So women actually didn't even have to have the burden of a credit card either.
	The men had to incur all of the debt.
	But you still had to have a signer for a credit card until much more recently than that standard was the case.
	Yeah, but I mean, but what I'm saying, though, is if you're in a marriage with a man and say it goes wrong, the man has to incur all of the woman's debt.
	And even nowadays, it's like women are like a burden on the welfare system.
	And particularly when it comes to credit cards, like they are in a lot more debt than men, single women.
	Not good surprises.
	They're like 80% of the consumer base or something like that.
	Look, was it unfair that women didn't have the right to vote for a period of 50 years as compared to men?
	Sure, but.
	But even then, there was a massive debate with the suffragettes and the women who didn't want to actually have the vote because they were like, we don't want to do jury duty.
	We don't want to go to war.
	We don't want to do all of these sorts of things.
	That's not our job as women.
	And they were debating it out.
	But unfortunately, there were huge financial interests that wanted to bring women into the workforce and have them vote.
	I mean, and then the other thing that occurs to me is that women secured the right to vote without any of the corresponding responsibilities that men had.
	Like, even to this day, 2025, women are not subject to military conscription.
	You don't have to register for the selective service.
	Men do.
	If you don't, it's a felony.
	It's a $250,000 fine.
	You can be barred from certain federal jobs.
	You can't get like federal student loans.
	There's some other ramifications.
	You can't vote.
	You can't vote.
	As a man, being able to vote is tied to you registering for the selective service, which would potentially make, well, no matter what, even if you don't register for that shit, they can still draft you.
	But as men, you're subject to military conscription.
	I mean, you seem really big.
	You seem really big on like bodily autonomy.
	This is a bodily autonomy issue for men.
	Like governments, every single state in the world, there's like maybe, I think Israel's the only one that drafts women or maybe, I don't know.
	And even then they do support roles.
	Right.
	Most of the time.
	God, I wish I could go to war right now.
	That's great.
	Just get blown up.
	Cool.
	So in the United States, anyways, just to keep it local, men can be, have their bodily autonomy taken away from them.
	As somebody who's like a bodily autonomy, you seem like a bodily autonomy advocate.
	I feel like you should be a bit more on the side of men on this issue.
	To at least make it equal between men and women, you should be advocating for women being subject to.
	More than the other, I said they're very different.
	You guys have different gender roles.
	They have each other's backs.
	Example A. At the beginning, everybody's phones got taken away except for Jake's.
	Why?
	Because they're like, oh, we're bodies.
	We're men.
	Keep your phone.
	That's right.
	Male privilege.
	Yeah, why?
	Why he gets male privilege?
	It's not even male privilege.
	He's been on the show like a dozen times.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	No, because Jake knows not to be looking at his phone and being disrespectful and rude during the conversation.
	It felt like it was like, oh, only the women give your phones because you'll be taking.
	Yeah, because you guys are more likely to be checking your phone and stuff.
	Whereas I have respect for Brian's show and I understand the rules and I'm going to stick to the rules and he knows that.
	You know what that's called?
	Reciprocity and it's called just having a trustful relationship.
	Yeah.
	Like here's the reality.
	And actually when I first started the podcast, never took phones away.
	I think I don't know, first 40, 50 shows, maybe, I don't know when we started it.
	At least 50 plus shows never took phones away.
	You know what ended up happening?
	People were on their phone, not paying attention to the conversation.
	It's also just rude to begin with.
	And I'm Natasha, I'm not trying to call you out.
	You've been checking your little, it's not a big deal.
	Whatever.
	I have a really long time.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	But I'm saying, like, you know, there is something when it comes to respect and not being on your phone when you're engaged in like a conversation and listening to the person, whether it's me talking, one of you talking, et cetera.
	It's just kind of, that's why we take the phones away.
	But you're right.
	I am sexist.
	I typically, you know, I did not take Jake's phone.
	He's a man.
	So I'm a raging sexist.
	The respect thing.
	I mean, I wasn't going to be on my phone.
	No gender wage gap.
	I mean, I'll just say, you think there's a gender wage gap?
	That's also evidence of oppression and not equal rights, right?
	Gender wage gap, gender wage gap.
	I mean, look, we don't have really time to linger too long on it.
	So you have the controlled to uncontrolled gender wage gap.
	The gender wage gap is comparing all men and all women and just doing a comparison.
	You're not factoring hours worked, type of job, seniority in the company, location.
	Like the uncontrolled gender wage gap is like, it's looking at everything, right?
	So you're going to take a, like a, what's an attorney that a, what's a, a public defender in Idaho, and you're going to compare his salary to a civil litigation lawyer in New York City who works at one of the top law firms and he went to Harvard Law School.
	That's the uncontrolled wage gap.
	And then, of course, you're going to have males who are in Idaho and the woman who's like a high-powered attorney who went to Harvard and is working civil litigation and making like maybe even millions of dollars a year.
	When you start controlling for all these factors, hours worked, type of job, location, geography, overtime, hazard pay, willingness to relocate, there's over a dozen different factors.
	It shrinks down to one cent between men and women.
	That's the difference.
	It's one cent.
	If I seem to recall, every single one of you said you want men to pay for the first date.
	Well, you said yes, men should pay, I think men should pay.
	Yeah.
	Who here wants to be a stay-at-home mom and not have to work?
	You, you?
	Depends.
	Into the mic?
	It depends.
	I think it depends on the relationship and how many kids we have.
	I would like to be at home raising the kids, but I think once they're a certain age, you could go back to work.
	But you would want to take some time off of work, right?
	And you would, I assume, you would hope in that scenario that your husband would be working during that time.
	And he would continue working after that.
	And he was working before that, right?
	Ideally, yeah.
	So he'll take less time off than you, right?
	Like paternity, yeah.
	Paternity leave, yeah.
	Yes.
	Like, so, couldn't the wage gap, whether it's controlled or uncontrolled, be fully explained away by women's social and mating pressure that you guys on the individual and group level exert on men that we don't exert back on you.
	You want a guy to pay for the first date.
	Y'all want the guy to pay for the first date.
	Some of you want to be stay-at-home wives.
	You don't want to work at all and you want the guy to be able to make enough money to do that.
	Wouldn't that indicate or wouldn't that lead men if in order to date you, I need to make this much money, I need to spend money on the date that you don't have to spend for.
	You guys are the ones who are enforcing men's greater propensity and desire to earn more money so that they could provide for your own wants.
	So, couldn't it just be the gender wage gap is just entirely explained away by your standards for men?
	Is there a rebuttal?
	I don't know if you're disagreeing.
	No, I think in general, I had said that I would prefer somebody who pays on the first date, but I think whoever is asking, whether that's the girl or guy, because you had said that you would ask a guy on a date sometimes.
	I think whoever asks on the date should be the person providing to pay for that.
	Do you think, so if I'm me personally, like let's say I didn't have this podcast and girls like weren't like DMing me or whatever, do you think I can move through life and just wait for girls to ask me out?
	Like, I'm definitely not attractive enough to do that.
	If that's the kind of girl you like, like some girls do like taking initiative like that, okay.
	But like, how long am I gonna wait for that?
	Because you could go to a bar and you could get a dude, like you could get, you could have 10 dudes come up to you.
	How attractive as a guy do you need to be to get that?
	I don't even think really hot dudes are gonna get hit on 10 times.
	I've never asked a guy out on a first date either, but I've, yeah, I like that.
	Like, how many times have you approached a guy?
	I would never, because I like when a man takes initiative.
	So, even if he's like, if I saw someone that was my ideal perfect man, I still wouldn't do it.
	And would you consider yourself like, no, you're fine.
	Do you consider yourself like more liberal, more progressive, like politically?
	I would say I'm pretty middle ground.
	I have some liberal ideologies, but I'm pretty conservative.
	Even with the family situation?
	Oh, yeah.
	But like politically, are you?
	Pretty liberal.
	Pretty liberal.
	If middle ground.
	So what if I told you conservative women, they absolutely, which is maybe 50% of women, they don't want to be chasing a man like that.
	They don't want to approach a man.
	And then even you yourself, you're a liberal woman.
	You don't want to, you've never approached a guy.
	You don't ask guys out on dates.
	So there's a lot of women.
	There's more women who think like you than think like, oh, yeah, I'm going to approach that guy.
	I agree with you.
	Right.
	So, but you're, you're trying to, you're saying that, oh, well, whoever asks should pay.
	Yeah, but if a girl feels obligated or like is intentional and wants to do that, then sure, pay for it because it does happen.
	Yeah.
	Rarely.
	But so knowing this, knowing that the entire framework of dating is 99% or 95%, whatever you want to attribute to it, the guy's going to have to initiate.
	And then by your own worldview, if the person who asks has to pay, that means the financial burden falls on men.
	There's no financial burden that falls on you.
	I don't think it necessarily has to be a financial burden.
	It literally, I mean, it literally is, though.
	No, because you could take somebody out to the park.
	You could take them somewhere where you're not spending money, but I'm still saying the person who takes initiative is what I find attractive.
	So how about the first date the guy takes you to the park?
	When you're in a relationship with a guy, like second date, third date, fourth date, fifth date, let's say he does want to go out to dinner.
	Should he pay for it then?
	Like we're in a relationship?
	Second date, third date, fourth date.
	I don't know if you're in a relationship yet.
	Second date, third, up to the fifth, sixth date.
	Should he pay for all dates?
	Not necessarily all dates.
	Has that been your experience, though?
	That he would pay?
	Has it been your dating experience when you've gone on the second, third, fourth date?
	I'm sure you've been on first dates where he did take you to a nice dinner, right?
	Yeah.
	And second, third, fourth, fifth dates, he took you to dinner or he paid for something, right?
	Right.
	So, of your second, third, and fourth, fifth dates, whatever.
	Sometimes I'll try to pay, yeah, for sure.
	But has it been your experience on first, second, third, fourth, fifth dates, even in those subsequent dates, he's still going to pay?
	I mean, yeah, but I still would try.
	But usually, the men that I date are.
	The old reach for the purse.
	Oh, like pretending like you're going to pay.
	No, I actually, like, I was seeing somebody and we had been on a date, and he had gone to the bathroom.
	I asked for the bill when he was there because he had paid for several dates prior to that.
	And I thought that was a nice thing to do.
	And when he came back, he had asked them for the bill, and I had already paid, and he was pretty upset about it.
	I'd be so insulted.
	But it is a good idea.
	Yeah, and even if you're not going to be able to do that, I've had an experience before when girls have like planned a date.
	They've been like, oh, I want to go to the movies.
	That's what I'm saying.
	They've gotten the tickets and you get there and they're like, I already got it.
	I was like, oh, that's like, that's thoughtful.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	And they're planning it.
	Like, the guy doesn't have to pay for every date.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	Especially after relationships.
	Let me ask you a question.
	You go on the first date with a guy and he does take you to dinner.
	And I don't know, it's maybe $100 total.
	The waiter comes and waiter says, Do you guys want anything more?
	And he says, no, I think we're good.
	We're full.
	No dessert.
	Two checks, please.
	Are you going to go on a second date with him?
	Ah, thank you for proving my point.
	Even, yeah.
	So, because you, you offered this up as a rebuttal to my position on the wage gap.
	So my argument is the wage gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating pressure, a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist on you.
	You guys can be motivated to succeed for your survival, but when it comes to like getting a partner, getting romance, getting sex, down the road having kids, we are not looking at your money.
	In fact, I think when you're talking about the table, you're like, it's kind of icky when a guy cares about a woman's money.
	Yeah, we established at the start that men don't really care about a woman's money.
	I'm just saying, if you're asking me on the date and then you're asking me to split it, I think that's odd.
	I'll pay, but I'm not going to go on a date with him again.
	But you're offering this up as like, so we were talking about the gender wage gap, and I'm trying to understand if it's like you're offering it up as a rebuttal.
	Well, it's men's fault because they're the ones asking for dates.
	But like, I would agree with you, sort of, if men and women asked each other out at 50% rates, but it's definitely not.
	It's like 99% men are asking women out.
	Maybe 1% of women ask men out.
	Not 1% of women, but like 1% of the time, the woman's being the initiator.
	We could even bump it up to 5% if you disagree.
	95% to 5%.
	So if your standard is, well, whoever asks should pay, this would make sense if men and women asked each other out at similar rates.
	It still makes sense, it's my opinion.
	Sure, but like there's a social pressure on men to initiate because if we don't, like if I'm a guy, the average guy, if he doesn't initiate, he doesn't make the first move, he's literally zeroing himself out.
	Like he'll literally die a virgin.
	Like if a guy never makes a move, there's not a girl coming.
	You guys can move through life.
	You can go to the club, just show up.
	There's going to be 10 men who are hitting on you.
	You can go on a dating app, you just create the profile, you have 500 matches 24 hours.
	You just go to Trader Joe's, you go about your life.
	Maybe some guy's going to, maybe you don't like him, whatever, but you can go about your life and men will come to you.
	Women can move through their lives without ever having to approach a man.
	Not once.
	Have you ever approached a guy?
	Maybe you have.
	And how many you've dated, you've had a couple different.
	How many guys have you dated?
	Five, six?
	Four?
	No, not many.
	Every single guy you've dated, every relationship you've had, you didn't need to make the first move.
	You didn't initiate.
	Women can move through life that way.
	As a guy, I don't have, like, I got to put myself out there.
	I got to shoot my shot.
	I got to deal with that kind of rejection.
	You guys can move through life without ever having to make the first move.
	You can.
	There are women who do.
	It might help you get that exact guy you want.
	I don't think so, though, because the exact guy that I would want, I don't think would want a woman approaching them.
	Like they want to be the dominant one engaging the conversation.
	That's totally fine.
	That's not really the point I'm arguing.
	But I'm just, again, gender wage gap.
	You guys create like, do you think men are like really, really motivated to, like, when it comes to dating women or to try to get sex from women?
	Like, super motivated, like having kids.
	I think women care about this too, right?
	You're saying, is that why they date?
	Well, I'm saying more so, like, how, how important is it to men to get a girlfriend, get romantic interest, date a woman, have sex with them, maybe down the road, have kids?
	Yeah.
	I think this is like, for the vast majority of men, this is like probably the most important thing in their life, right?
	That's the biggest decision you make.
	It's one of the biggest things in your life, right?
	If it's one of the biggest things in your life, then don't you think if women set a certain standard, you need to be financially attractive.
	You need to pay for dates.
	I won't date you.
	I won't sleep with you if you don't pay for the first date.
	Don't you think that creates a massive social pressure, a one-directional social pressure on men?
	No.
	I don't think that you have to have some crazy financial literacy and like financial means above a woman.
	I'm saying you could take somebody out for coffee and you're offering to buy them a muffin.
	That's not going to break the bank for anybody.
	No, I know.
	I don't, but I'm not sure if I'm like making it clear.
	So do you, I mean, I'm not sure how else to articulate this.
	So you don't think men feel like a pressure to be financially attractive to women?
	Maybe, yeah, in general.
	I mean, you said you want to, you just, just to be clear.
	The question is, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	You said $150,000.
	Right.
	So you did, just on that metric alone, I think that that's top 10%.
	That's top 10, yep.
	You're disqualifying 90% of men just off of the minimum.
	You said minimum.
	So perhaps you like, oh, it'd be really nice to date 300K.
	Like, you know, you know how much money I care about?
	Oh my God, sorry.
	Hold on, let me play this.
	I fucking can't speak.
	I don't care.
	She could work at Chick-fil-A.
	She could be a barista.
	We don't care.
	We talked about that, that we agree that men don't really care about the financial stability of a woman.
	We do agree, but we're talking about the gender wage gap.
	And what I'm trying to argue is that you're saying it's, oh, this evil thing, man, blah, blah, blah.
	Women are oppressed.
	There are still things in play and like laws in the United States that allow for there to be less of a gender gap with wage.
	But I'm saying in practice, like most CEOs are men.
	Most hire people in businesses are men.
	And that's just historically how what the case is.
	That doesn't mean that women can't make money.
	And that doesn't mean that women can't hold stature like that.
	But in general, men do make more money.
	But you want that, though.
	Like, how can you simultaneously say gender wage gap bad, but I want a guy to pay for the first game?
	Because if you're gender wage gap is prevalent.
	Oh, so you're in favor of the gender wage gap?
	Like, you think it's good?
	Think that it's good or bad, but it is a thing.
	But you said it was.
	Hold on, you said the gender wage gap is evidence of either unequal rights or women's oppression in the USA.
	Is women just because it's a different oppression?
	Okay, is oppression bad?
	Of course.
	Okay, if the gender wage gap is evidence of women's oppression, then ergo, the gender wage gap must surely be bad if it's oppressing women.
	Right, and it's oppressing women in their wage.
	Not every woman is dating men, not every woman is dating women, not every woman is dating in general.
	Just because they make less money doesn't mean that they're going to then make more money through marriage.
	Look, you said that if a guy didn't pay for the first date and he took you to dinner and he said two checks, you pay for your food, I pay for mine, there wouldn't be a second date.
	Yeah, that's my opinion.
	As a guy, can I go on a date with a girl and ever have the expectation that she's going to pay for the entire bill on the first date?
	If she asks you on a date, I don't know why you're getting so frustrated with me.
	I'm just answering my opinion, honestly.
	You denied that there's a mating pressure that exists on men when it comes to money.
	That's a type of oppression.
	There are different types of types of oppression.
	I don't think it's oppression.
	I don't think it's oppression that women want men to pay for first dates.
	I think.
	Is that pressure?
	Yeah, that's pressure.
	No, it's pressure.
	But excuse me, I thought you said oppression.
	Yes, there's a mating pressure.
	And the point I'm trying to make, because of the mating pressure that women apply to men, that men do not apply at all to women.
	We don't care about how much money you make.
	Women care decent.
	Some women are different.
	Some women don't care.
	A lot of enough women care.
	Enough women care that it creates a generalized social and mating pressure on men to be more prone and inclined to financial and financial achievement and success.
	If there's a pressure to do something, don't you think that that would make it more likely for somebody to achieve?
	I just don't.
	I don't agree.
	Okay.
	Like it's fine.
	If it comes to making money, if I can never, like, let's say the dynamic here.
	In order for me to get a wife who's willing to have children with me, I need to be a provider as a man.
	If I want to further my bloodline, if I want a spouse, if I want a wife, I need to be a provider.
	As a woman, you don't need to be a provider.
	Would this not be a massive pressure on men?
	I said several times it's a pressure.
	I agree with you.
	It's a mating pressure and a social pressure, but you seem to deny that it has any impact on the gender wage gap.
	Do you think men or women are more motivated to make money?
	Men.
	And could one of those reasons men are more motivated to make money is that if they don't make money, they're not going to get sexual or romantic access to women.
	They're less likely to have children?
	Sure.
	So this pressure, if men are more motivated to make money, would that be a way to explain away the gender wage gap?
	I'm not sure.
	I've said, I mean, I've said my stance, so.
	I mean, okay.
	I agree with you.
	It's pressure.
	All right.
	I mean, I'm.
	So it's women's fault.
	The gender wage gap is the women's fault.
	No, that's not the leap that goes there.
	I mean, that's the leap that I'm taking.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make it right.
	That's your opinion.
	Well, I don't think it's an opinion.
	It is.
	So you think men care more about it.
	It's women's fault that there's a gender gap.
	Insofar as women have placed a massive pressure on men to be providers that does not exist in the opposite.
	So if there's a differential in motivation and pressure that you guys apply towards.
	What about single men?
	Huh?
	So what about single men?
	They're not trying to earn a high income because they're not trying to provide for a family.
	It's not the same thing.
	Single men don't want to eventually date a woman.
	Like, single men are the ones who want to become financially attractive.
	Are you saying just like I'm saying asexual men?
	Yeah, like people that don't have any interest in marriage, like whether or not they want to date or whatever casually, they're not going to be providing for a family.
	Women are still going to be more interested in them if they're high owners and if they have resources to give.
	Even if they're not married and they're not married.
	Even if they're just dating a girl, they're just sleeping with her.
	Even if they only want to have one night stands for the rest of their life, yes, being financially attractive, even in that scenario, is going to confer benefits over a broke guy.
	Maybe.
	It's just survival of the fittest, I think.
	Just get that money open.
	It'll be good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean.
	It would be nice to be able to do that.
	It sounds like you're complaining about it.
	Because it sounds like you guys are complaining about it.
	Like, just get the bag and live a happy life.
	It's just like, oh, she's, is that, are you leaving?
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Oh, Callie.
	I got a question for you, Callie.
	Come back.
	Sorry, how long are we going to be here?
	Probably like another 20 minutes.
	I got you guys.
	20 minutes.
	We'll be out of here in no time.
	It's at 10 and it's midnight.
	And I can't work in eight hours.
	Oh, my gosh.
	My dog is in a crate.
	Okay, the whole time.
	It builds character.
	The late night that builds character.
	The whole time you've been talking about we're providers.
	It's such a burden.
	We have to provide.
	That's the one thing.
	It is a burden.
	And then you say that you don't care when a woman makes money or not.
	So that makes no sense.
	Like, if we make no money, then you think we're like a gold digger.
	And then if we make money, then you're insecure because it's like, what is with the fragility of the ego, man?
	I mean, there's a lot of like false premises there that I just outright reject.
	No, because he was like, he said, he was like, I'm not an ATM for once.
	It feels good.
	Every time you speak, you sort of just like trauma dump.
	You're like, yeah, the guys are going to run away as soon as they have a baby.
	You guys are going to have to.
	You guys are going to be a bad person.
	Yeah, I have to finish my own.
	Let's let him ask you the question so they can get out of it.
	You also just said.
	Oh my God, wait, wait, wait.
	I can't play that one.
	LPE, bro.
	Hold on, bro.
	That's crazy, LPE.
	I'm going to have to read part.
	LPE, dude.
	Eight hours.
	Yo, LPE, I haven't seen you in the chat in a minute.
	Good to see you, dude.
	Honestly, bro, I have to wait for the row session for this one.
	Okay, hold on, LPE.
	Callie you said a man dating a transgender or the statement is a man dating a transgender woman is not straight You disagree?
	so you agree with the statement what do you like if he fucks a trans man he's not a straight man dating a trans woman Is it straight or gay?
	I think he's queer.
	Isn't like he's LGBTQ friendly.
	You were shaking your head.
	What if he wants a woman to pay?
	Hold on, hold on.
	You're shaking your head?
	If a straight person has sex with a trans person, does that make them straight?
	I don't think so.
	I think gender.
	Oh, okay.
	So we agree then, like, sounds like.
	I don't think I circled it.
	No, you were shaking your head, so I just wasn't sure if there was like a disagreement.
	But yeah, that's totally fine.
	Okay, I think you circled it, but maybe you just, it is a bit of a double negative.
	Any final thoughts here before we wrap up the show?
	We're going to do a brief row session, then we're going to wrap.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	I just want to say that a lot of men, especially high-value men, are just thrilled to provide for a woman.
	Of course, a good woman.
	They never complain about like, oh, it's so hard for us to provide.
	Boys do that.
	Most men that take a woman out will love to pay for the first date.
	At fancy restaurants, too.
	Yeah, me.
	I've been taken out to fancy restaurants.
	Oh my God.
	Wow, really?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, it's... I'm not...
	It's such a high school conversation, this whole formula.
	It's like a form of masturbation.
	You don't even need anyone else with you.
	You just have to come back to the middle.
	It's like a totally false premise, though.
	I'm not making the argument like, woe is me.
	I have to pay for first dates.
	No.
	We were talking about the gender wage gap, and I was making an argument why I think at least a component of it exists.
	I understand that, but it's such a turnoff when it's the first day you want the guy to treat you.
	Like, you are possibly going to offer him the best, like, a partnership.
	Like, the.
	That's what I thought you were going to say.
	Of course, because I'm brown.
	I have to give it up easy.
	No.
	I went to school.
	What the fuck?
	Constant projection.
	After midnight, I get a little spicier.
	So that's why we gotta get away.
	Why can't we hear about race?
	I was just gonna say because I fit the bail.
	No man should be like, oh, all that stuff.
	I know how you think.
	I can see.
	Hold on, just to be clear.
	I can smell it.
	Just to be clear.
	The projection is unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Because I haven't been eight hours being saying like, oh, women are nothing and men suffer more.
	For eight hours, I thought it was only six.
	God forbid you have to do it.
	You know what?
	I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to like giving it up quickly.
	I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to like this rate.
	I'm just like, it's across the board.
	But Latinas do give it up more easy.
	That's true.
	What the fuck?
	Dudes?
	Latin Latinas.
	No, bro.
	That's not true.
	White girls are the dirtiest by far.
	Where are you from?
	I'm Dominican.
	Dominican.
	I don't know about Dominican girls.
	If you go to like England or something, they're pretty bad.
	But those Latin countries are pretty sexual.
	They are sexual, but they make you work a little bit.
	They're traditional, too.
	Yeah.
	You know, the thing, look, I've encountered easy to, I don't like that term.
	I've encountered women who have sex relatively quickly of all races, and I've encountered women of all races who want to wait till marriage or wait 90 days.
	Which one do you like better?
	Because you're still single, so clearly none of them.
	Which one do you pick?
	Which race?
	No, no, no, race.
	Whoa.
	Do you like easy girls or do you like to work for it?
	I look a girl who's easy for me and hard for everybody else.
	A guy can wait.
	What the fuck?
	What was that?
	What?
	Say that again?
	Wait, Darkavia, say that again?
	Say it again.
	Talk that pussy boy.
	I was saying that because you said that you like girls that are easy for you.
	So I said I was thinking about all right, guys.
	We're doing a $20, $20 row session, and then we're going to wrap the show.
	So any final thoughts from anybody else while we're getting this roast session going?
	Give me a sec.
	I have a question.
	Go ahead, Milena.
	I had put on my questions that you asked us over Instagram.
	Do you think it's okay for a girl to have guy friends while in a relationship?
	No.
	Yes.
	Let's talk about it.
	Go ahead, Natasha.
	You got something on that?
	Yeah, I think if there's a level of respect and it isn't somebody that you've ever been intimate in that way, like if it's truly platonic, like a brother-sister relationship, then I think it's fine as long as there's communication and respect.
	I don't think they should ever be like above your partner because you obviously want your partner to be the best friend.
	But I think a lot of the insecurity from like girl-guy best friendships is because of disrespect and like a lack of boundary.
	Men are wired a certain way.
	And I've heard many times in the past when girls have been like, no, he's just a brother to me.
	He's just like a brother to me.
	He's just like such a close friend.
	And then you ask them, but if you crept into his bed late at night, one night after a night out, you reckon he'd kick you out?
	Nah, he wouldn't.
	So men have an intention.
	And it's funny because like whenever guys have these female friends who are like their sister, they're never ugly.
	They're always attractive.
	So it's never sort of the ugly ones, getting all the male friends, you know?
	Guys, TTS, $20?
	Was there something else somebody wanted to come in on?
	Let's do a couple quick shout-outs for these few things here.
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	Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod, if you want to fully put your patronage towards the podcast without any cut being taken.
	And then a reminder, $20 TTS, we're going to do a brief row session.
	They're going to wrap the show.
	I need to get up momentarily to get up momentarily.
	Any final thought from any panelists here?
	Speak now forever.
	Hold your peace.
	Go ahead.
	Questions, queries, comments?
	Let's just talk shit about Brian.
	What do you want to say about Brian?
	While he's gone.
	Why did you say that?
	Jesus.
	What would you like to say about Brian while he's gone?
	I like his beard.
	Oh, God.
	Really?
	He's a man child.
	Really?
	I thought you said you wanted to engage in some pleasures of the flesh with Brian after the show.
	I'm a little disappointed he didn't bring pizza this time.
	Is there normally pizza in the pizza?
	Yeah, frozen pizza.
	So there's pizza.
	Was there pizza here last time?
	Yeah.
	When she was here, yeah.
	We haven't even had a panelist buy pizza.
	Order pizza.
	I'll forgive them, but.
	Any more questions that you've got for the now lone man on the panel?
	That was kind of it.
	But I have mostly guy friends.
	And so no one I've dated has had a problem with it.
	But when you say you've got mostly guy friends, are these guy friends ones that you would consider platonic?
	Yeah, but I actually agree with what you said.
	Yeah, and then if you crept into the bed like and went and became Big Spoon, you think that he'd keep it.
	But what if you know your girl isn't attracted to the person?
	Isn't attracted?
	No, no, no, because if I've got a nice roast chicken, right?
	And I've got it there, and it's my roast chicken, I'm going to eat it.
	Would I put it in a room where I can't wash it with the dogs around it?
	Damn.
	I'm going to eat my roast chicken.
	Even if my roast chicken doesn't want to be eaten.
	You know what I mean?
	They've never tried to eat me.
	Guys, suck with the sidebar conversations.
	Rude.
	We're so rude.
	I get what you're saying.
	Wait, did they react to the bow video?
	Yeah.
	Would you guys bow for your man?
	Yes.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt him.
	Honestly, after this podcast, I want to die alone.
	Like, that was my biggest fear, but now I want to make millions of dollars and just get a dog.
	You want to know something, bro?
	You want to know something?
	So, being on this podcast or even just listening to the women, bro, it literally makes me want to like be a massage.
	Yes, it makes me want to go.
	Like, it makes me just like, oh, it makes me feel like it's like, it brings you over to the dock side.
	And it's not even just the women.
	It's like me.
	I look back on the videos.
	I'm like, bro, that sounds good, though.
	That's what they want.
	Wait, let's go young.
	Dark W's in the chaffer dark havia.
	I do like to be known because this podcast has changed my life, guys.
	You have opened my eyes to other opinions.
	Definitely.
	After 30, you'll think differently.
	Maybe if they have to make the wrong decision, make the right decision, you'll go more down this road.
	Wait, so would you bow for your boyfriend, husband, whatever?
	Every time I walk in a room, no.
	No, just like once a day.
	Just like.
	Why?
	Why's it?
	What's the reason?
	So you can feel better about your tiny penis.
	Great.
	So I can.
	Wait, what about that?
	You said he was average.
	What about the one?
	He literally said he was average.
	Can you not bring that up?
	I only like to say that once a show.
	Don't bring it up.
	I'm just kidding.
	Would you bow for your man?
	I don't understand what you're asking.
	Oh, were you here for the bow video?
	The Asian woman who's oh, the bow.
	Bow.
	Oh, would you bow?
	Yeah, yeah, the bow.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Would you do it?
	That's not no.
	No, I'm not opposed to it, but you're going to be a real special man.
	Okay, sure.
	Of course, I would.
	I would.
	Yeah, it'd be weird, but sure.
	I would.
	I think the guys I'm attracted to, though, it'd be like a joke.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No.
	All right.
	That's funny.
	Girl, you like the Asian people.
	It's crazy, though.
	Remember, guys, just remember.
	That was cultural.
	You say you like culture.
	That was cultural.
	That whole was very cultural.
	Some cultures.
	Some cultures.
	But Asian specific.
	Yeah, I know.
	But I'm saying some Asians do that.
	But I'm telling you, an Asian culture and significant other.
	I might be wrong.
	But I'm saying that most of them, they don't bow to their significant other.
	No.
	It becomes like they don't.
	But everything she was doing in the video is what I was speaking on.
	Like how she was running to the next room to open the door.
	Oh my God.
	Wait, I do want you guys to remember one thing.
	I'm pretty sure all of you said, maybe one of you, I forget.
	You said you want a guy to take a bullet for you.
	You said you want a guy who's willing to die for you, but you won't do a totally effortless physical gesture.
	You guys want, you probably want guys to open car doors for you, which takes more physical effort than a bow.
	You want a guy to protect you in some sort of a single person.
	But something that was meaningful and it had like significance to it.
	Like anyone said that.
	No one said no.
	You said you wouldn't.
	I'm not Asian.
	I'm white.
	What?
	I want the bow.
	It has nothing to do with culture.
	No one said it.
	It has everything to do with respect.
	That's not respect.
	It's respect.
	That's slavery.
	That's not even what it's like.
	I don't like it.
	It's not slavery.
	When I said, if a man makes me feel like doing, yeah, like you said, she agrees to do it.
	Like, I said, I'm a special kind of man to make me want to do that.
	Are you going to bow to her?
	No, why not?
	Are you going to pay for it?
	Are you going to pay on the first day?
	Would you get on your knees?
	Why the first day?
	This is a partnership.
	Why part of this?
	Back in this theoretical world where you are getting married.
	Would you get on one knee to propose?
	Little boy shit.
	I don't want to get married.
	But it's interesting.
	You would want a guy, you want to get married, right?
	It's good with the roast.
	I'm assuming you would want the guy to get down on one knee to propose to you.
	I said if it was meaningful to him, sure.
	But to do it just randomly, I feel like would make me giggle.
	It means nothing to me, so it would just make me laugh.
	That's fine.
	But just here, think about this.
	You want men to die for you.
	You won't do that.
	That's it.
	Also, here's another thing: you won't do the bow, but you'll like get down on your knees and then like move your head back and forth on his.
	But who said they wouldn't do the bow?
	It's almost kind of like a sound.
	Everyone said everyone said yes, but they rolled.
	No, she won't bow.
	No, I said if it was a meaningful thing, sure.
	Is this part of the bro?
	I think I was the only one that said no, but I think I would.
	If it was a natural culture or a thing, if it was cultural or meaningful in some way, and if it meant something to him, and I cared about him, of course.
	But I'm saying, would I just naturally be inclined to do that?
	That'd be too random.
	It'd make me Darkavi.
	We need to do every does body count matter?
	Just show of hands?
	No.
	Well, no, it does.
	No, it doesn't.
	Going around the table, what's your body count?
	Starting with you.
	Nobody's going to do two.
	Okay, starting.
	You?
	Less than five.
	Less than five?
	Okay.
	Seven.
	Is that gang signs?
	Yeah, it was gang signs.
	Oh, should I say that?
	I'm just kidding.
	Seven?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I prefer not to disclose that.
	Do you want to do range?
	Would you be comfortable like range, like 10 to 20?
	No.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait.
	Oh, no.
	It's not playing audio.
	Okay, never mind.
	Or Nor.
	Oh, no.
	Here, wait.
	Can I still?
	Okay.
	What about you, Callie?
	655.
	For real?
	No.
	Do you have like a list on your?
	Excuse me.
	Fucking money.
	No, that's not my body count.
	Like, why does it even matter?
	Do you have a list on your phone?
	None of these questions matter.
	It's all boy stuff.
	It's irrelevant.
	No one's going to actually marry you after you think that way.
	Like, it's literally like men and women, women and men.
	It literally takes two to tango.
	It takes two to tango.
	You want men, women, to have a lesson.
	You want me to bow to you?
	I will bow to you.
	Bow to me.
	Simple.
	Simple.
	Look at that.
	See?
	Equal equality.
	Don't you love it?
	You feel you feel good.
	You wear these.
	This is fucking terrible.
	This is my life.
	Terrible.
	I'm a woman.
	I'm used to suffering.
	Okay.
	Welcome to you for eight hours.
	Oh, I bleed from my dick.
	That's you.
	Oh, men get their fucking periods on their balls.
	That's you.
	For eight hours.
	That happened once.
	My God.
	It's like, grow the fuck up.
	When you're 40, you're not going to be like this.
	I'll still be like this.
	Oh, God.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	I'll still.
	What's your body count?
	655.
	I'm Dominican.
	We got around since we were like 14.
	We go hard.
	We go hard on the pain.
	Fucking disgusting.
	Ah, Like, real men.
	None of that shit that you would know.
	You don't know none of those sounds.
	Yes, I want to go the fuck home, my G.
	It's been eight hours.
	You're abusing us.
	Like, at this point, you gotta pay us more.
	Abuse.
	At this point, you're abusing.
	She's being abused.
	She's a kiss face for me.
	Okay.
	Eight hours of this shit.
	Oh, my God.
	This poor woman over here.
	Oh, my God.
	Poor man.
	I'll tell you what.
	I'll make you a deal.
	I just want to drive two hours to my home.
	Because apparently I have to be, you know, equally forcing you.
	Jake's loving this, by the way.
	You do realize, like, male comedy.
	I hate when women concern whether a male comedian would just be.
	I'm just like, oh, fuck it.
	Yeah, I'll sit here.
	Fuck it, yeah.
	Well, you don't sound so smart, sweetheart.
	That's the success issue.
	With your, like, oh, I want to digress my body count.
	You can't go to church and digress our body count.
	You already did it.
	The chair that you agreed to sit in is abuse is so stupid.
	For six or seven hours, but it's midnight.
	You want to keep talking about how women are shit and like he's not going to take a bullet for you?
	And you're defending him.
	It's like you're so brainwashed.
	W, W.
	It's just the fact that you're just paid to be here.
	So I would say respect him and the panel.
	Literally.
	I'm respecting you to him, but he's not respecting our time.
	But no, you are paid to be here.
	And yes, if it's but for how long until the barbs are about to wrap the show up like five minutes long, you scream at the bottom.
	You literally literally screaming is just making it last longer.
	Throw the roast up.
	Yeah, the roasts are coming.
	It's only because you didn't get that body body count for me.
	You're angry.
	Double digits, body count.
	I'm not sure if I was going on a date with someone, but multiply it by three.
	Okay, that's cool.
	What's your body count?
	Like two?
	I'm a virgin.
	Of course.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Yikes.
	Yeah.
	What's your body count?
	I can feel it.
	Yeah.
	No, he's done a lot of women.
	You can tell.
	He tricks women into sleeping with them.
	Not in a bad way.
	Like, he's smart.
	So he, you know.
	Bro, this chick, this chick's online.
	It's true.
	He knows the truth.
	Come on, you know.
	Nightmares about this.
	This is like false accusation.
	Fucking territory.
	Are we roasting or what are we doing?
	Women, false accusations.
	Should we debate that?
	Oh my god.
	Look at that.
	It's like $1,200 we've made so far.
	That's nice.
	Chat, I'm inviting you guys to roast.
	Okay, I'm gonna let them play.
	Hold on.
	I'm gonna just lose the energy donated $100.
	The audacity of these midders fuckbusted as 304s that offer nothing but high body count that John Wick thinks most dudes want to essay them.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Damn.
	Yo, LPE.
	Sorry for the delay, bro.
	Oh, praying for him.
	Yo, LPE, it's so good to see you back in the chat, man.
	I'm assuming it's the same guy.
	Thank you so much.
	W's in the chat for LPE, guys.
	Yo, thank you, sons.
	Rattlesnake got the degenerate to state she supports the red rum of babies.
	She says, yes, on the internet forever.
	Wild.
	Sicko.
	I think that was me.
	Evil.
	She's late to her rich seance.
	Evil.
	Thor donated $20.
	Chair 1 says she roasts men, but only roast she's bringing to men is the roast beef in between her legs.
	Take that trench foot out your ass.
	I like dark labyrinth only when she's sitting in the back quiet.
	Your XD donated $20.
	When you use a personal anecdote in an attempt to bolster an argument and then recoil and stonewall when questions are asked, you're just being extremely bad faith.
	This is classic cry bullying.
	It's got a point.
	It's got a point.
	You know what I mean?
	Bit of a point.
	J Smooth donated $20.
	IDK, guys.
	This episode put me to sleep.
	It just didn't have the pizza like others.
	Seat one is low-key baby.
	Oh, look a comic.
	Sexy and simply delicious.
	Oh, definitely eye candy.
	I can't.
	There you go.
	They okay.
	You can, you know, have one positive experience from this.
	$3007 donated $20.
	If a building was on fire and you and your friend were trapped and she was pregnant, would let a man was there to save her first or have him save you first?
	If a building was on fire and you and your friend were trapped and she was pregnant, wait, is this for me?
	Was there to save her first?
	Wait, what?
	I'm not sure.
	Here, I'm gonna play it one more time because I don't really zero seven donated twenty dollars.
	If a building was on fire and you and your friend were trapped and she was pregnant, would let a man was there to save her first or have him save you first there to save her first?
	If you're both in the burning building, do I know the pregnant woman?
	Your friend on some Genghis Khan shit, bro.
	Wait, what?
	It said your friend was pregnant.
	Would you let them save her first?
	Right?
	I don't know if you're gonna save her.
	My friend?
	Yes, it said if your friend was pregnant.
	Maybe it's too late.
	Maybe I'm my IQ is room temperature right now.
	Or in general, I don't get it.
	But the pregnant, I would save the pregnant woman first.
	Jake Smooth donated $20.
	Seat 4 is tripping, looking like a knockoff Tamu version of Elton John.
	SMH seat 2 hairline turns a forehead into a five head.
	Long.
	What's the deal with seat 7 wearing the dunce cap?
	Suits so well.
	It's a pickle hobba from World War One, so it's not the dunce cap, but uh it's uh yeah, thank you, JSmooth.
	Appreciate it.
	All right, two more coming through.
	Mr. Basteman donated $19.99.
	Chair 1 annoying AF.
	Chair 2, Delulu Lemon.
	Chair 3 Restarted.
	Chair 4, Skipsy Democrat.
	Chair 5, Based Cutie.
	Chair 6 Strumpet.
	Chair 7 Red Flag Brochure.
	Chair 8 Inverted Chad.
	Chair 9 Giga Chat Tube Star.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	He called me the R word and spelled it wrong, so wow.
	Yeah, it all corrects it.
	Ah, yep, that's right.
	What's this trumpet?
	Michael Jones donated $20.
	Don't worry about it.
	I'll be praying that the women on the panel find the glory of God and can find the man they deserve.
	Remember, you are there to bring peace and to make their house into a home.
	Except seat four.
	Thank you.
	I don't know.
	Some of these are like kind of pretty good comedy, I feel like, as a comedian.
	Oh, I have material for days now.
	Willing to murder a child instead of taking responsibility is not to option for any excuse.
	Disgraceful, malevolent people.
	W rattle, W Bryan, PS Men get the first lifeboats to equality.
	Fucking go.
	Men first, then the women and children.
	That seems kind of just date each other and you're just gonna be able to do it.
	Yeah, just date each other.
	Yeah, I heard it's really good.
	Bro, you're tripping, dude.
	You're tripping.
	But that's how it sounds, right?
	Like you hate women.
	Bro, be gentlemen, be very careful, this woman, because she takes shit like she'll bend something that happens and just like she'll accuse you of some crazy shit.
	You gotta be careful with this.
	She's the last truth bender.
	Wow.
	She just like makes up shit.
	Just makes up shit.
	Oh, they must be gay because they have a different opinion.
	No, because for eight hours you've talked about how bad women are and you keep telling me.
	Jake, you're cute.
	Jake, you're handsome.
	Jake, you're so hot.
	Like, that's what you keep.
	I didn't hear that, but I'd take it if you did say it.
	For sure.
	I could call him a 10.
	Oh, yes.
	And that's while Simon talks about.
	Okay, so women, if you look at women's Instagrams and you look at the comments section, all the comments are gassing up these like mid-chicks.
	So you're saying the women who are gassing up their female friends, they're just lesbians?
	No, but they haven't spent nine hours.
	Hold on, it's a woman shit about women.
	Quiet.
	If a woman calls another woman beautiful, she's a lesbian.
	No, but they haven't spent 10 hours saying like, oh, men are blah, You know, actually, but the funny thing is that a lot of normal people are actually able to sit here and have the conversation for nine hours.
	Like, people actually don't know.
	And I don't just start screaming and smoking now and just projecting and insulting people from dumping.
	So you're actually the outlaw, which is funny.
	When you're 39 with a drinking problem, holler at me.
	Are you now?
	You're 29.
	You're like, oh, I'm the king of the world.
	And you're 35 and miserable.
	And I'll continue to be like this.
	I know you're going to be.
	It's obvious.
	Free than with a guy like you next to me.
	I'd rather be free than with an ogre like you.
	Oh, I feel so sad.
	You do.
	It's really very sad.
	That's it.
	You broke me down.
	Can I leave now?
	Is that how it works?
	You've been insulting us non-stop because I'm projecting what you're giving me.
	I'm only doing what you're giving me.
	You're the only person on the panel who's just being irrational and odd.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	I don't think Jake insulted you once.
	I mean, I didn't insult him either.
	You've called us like gay.
	You've called me name Sue.
	What did we say?
	I suppose you called you the slur for gay.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that is.
	You got me a fag before.
	I did.
	Why were you saying that I said that?
	Probably something horrible.
	All right.
	I'll let the rest of the roads go.
	Please don't murder me.
	This is all I show.
	Let me when I go out of here.
	Nobody.
	Josh donated $20.
	Merry Christmas and happy new year to everyone on the panel tonight.
	Best wishes for everybody who tuned in.
	I hope everyone has a great week.
	Jesus is Lord.
	Yo, Josh, thank you, man.
	Do appreciate that.
	Needed that.
	All right, I think we have like one more.
	That was a good one.
	Yeah, that's crazy, bro.
	That's wild.
	All right.
	Are we going to do raid?
	I don't know if we'll leave and show up, but I will raid somebody over on Twitch.
	Yeah.
	We'll do, Damien.
	We're going to do peekaboo IRL over there on Twitch.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm about to wrap the show.
	Any final thoughts?
	Speak now forever.
	Hold your peace before we wrap.
	Sir.
	Wrap out.
	Oh, wait.
	I'm so sorry, who's willing to take off their makeup right now?
	I'm willing to, but I can't use those.
	Those will break out my skin.
	Oh, I got it.
	Damn.
	Somebody in my Discord said you got to buy the better shit.
	This is still good.
	Okay.
	Here, pass it around.
	Take one, pass one down.
	One's not going to do it.
	You'll do it.
	I'm allergic to these.
	They break off the skin, but I'll do it.
	Do you want just a washcloth or something?
	Yeah, do you have like a tea tree oil?
	Just go straight to the bottom.
	You can just if you want, look in the mirror.
	Are you wearing makeup?
	You'll take some off, Milena.
	Okay.
	You guys do that while we just finish it up here.
	We're out here in just a moment.
	We have a few more coming through.
	We have yo, Reaper thing for the prime.
	Let's see here.
	Uh-oh.
	We have some roasts coming.
	Okay.
	Jay Smooth donated $20.
	I actually don't need the other one if you're not going to be able to do it.
	Take along in the mirror sweetheart.
	You have makeup on?
	I'm just going to wash my face.
	I can actually use a bit of a face wash.
	All right, she's getting a paper towel, boys.
	We have two more here.
	Yo, Jay Smooth, thank you, man.
	I love this feeling.
	It's a bust, freaking part of the night.
	Bookie007 donated $19.99.
	Sorry for the misunderstanding.
	The question was for the girls.
	If you and your friend were trapped in a fire and your friend was pregnant, would want to a man to save you first or your friend?
	Oh, my friend.
	My friend.
	Yeah.
	For sure, I'm just kidding.
	When you guys are done, can you guys hold up to the camera, to this camera here, the aftermath of the makeup wipe?
	Okay, so we got that.
	Anything on this end?
	You guys still working on it?
	I mean, I'm blown.
	They're still working.
	Mine's just going to be pretty.
	That's fair.
	All right.
	Here, I'm going to read this.
	You just become what?
	Right.
	If my chick ever comes home smelling like baby wipes, she's for the whatever streets.
	Oh, all right.
	Thank you, man.
	They are makeup remover wipes.
	They have a distinct scent that is not the same as that.
	Okay.
	So we don't have any OF girls, so I don't need to do the call to action.
	I do want to, maybe a call to action for you.
	I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you a call to action.
	Would you consider I don't even know what to say, to be honest.
	What should she consider doing differently?
	Nothing.
	Stop dating criminals.
	Can you do that at least?
	That's like a good one.
	Can you stop dating criminals?
	All right.
	Do you want to hold yours up?
	The makeup?
	Oh, I already did it.
	Hold it up.
	Oh, I already did it.
	I didn't crumble it at all.
	Just show it.
	Let's see it.
	I didn't put it on my eyes because I don't want my eyes to burn.
	That's fine.
	What the hell are you wearing?
	Oh, damn.
	Hi, Laner.
	Mascara.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	There's still.
	You guys didn't get all of it, you know.
	But we're in front of my mirror.
	Two more, and then we're wrapping.
	Or, well, if there's any more that donated $20.
	Cooked.
	Burned, fried, zooted, smoked.
	What else can describe you girls' mind sets?
	Pure love and geniuses and beautiful queen.
	And fifth dimensional vampire goddesses.
	Why don't we take off our makeup just to see what we look like?
	No, just like it's a it's like an end of show thing we do to be nice.
	He's really saying you hold it.
	It's like a gentleman.
	No, it's a gentlemanly.
	It's like, wow, the makeup.
	They've been wearing it for this whole show.
	You can just feel fresh.
	You can go home and not have it take it off.
	Yeah.
	Why are you smiling when you say it?
	It's like same energy as like take you swimming on the first date, but it's cool.
	It's cool.
	I'll do it.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	All right.
	Josh07 donated $20.
	Can someone tell Bruno Musk that she makes enough money and can leave whenever she wants to?
	Maybe if she just bought the poor guy some flowers, he wouldn't have left her for the Mexican footlong.
	Wow.
	That's crazy.
	All right, guys.
	We're going to do the raid.
	If you want to get that pulled up in here in just a moment, I'll do my little outro.
	All right, GG.
	Hold on.
	GG.
	Well played.
	To the panel.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button, please.
	On your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We could not do the show without you guys.
	Your patronage is greatly appreciated.
	And it's going to go towards, also go towards my speech therapy classes because clearly something's happening.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Jake will be back.
	Should be a fantastic panel on Tuesday.
	Be sure you guys tune in.
	07's in the chat.
	We're gonna get this raid set off to peekaboo.
	He's playing World of Warcraft hardcore.
	I'm gonna get that sent here in 10 seconds.
	Then we're gonna get this wrapped up.
	Looks like he's leveling up a priest in hardcore.
	He's in the OnlyFans guilds over there on the hardcore server.
	All right, guys, thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
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	I'm gonna send the raid now.
	Thank you guys so much for watching on Twitch.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	There's some weed over here.
	What was it?
	All right.
	He's a level six undead priest.
	He's in Tirusvall Glades.
	Maybe even have to work.
	Tirus Fall Glades.
	He's leveling up.
	Leveling up, excuse me.
	Who's locked into the work?
	I should have told him you know Character.
	Yo, whatever did that raid?
	All right.
	Where am I going here?
	What is this?
	That is it for that.
	You can hide that at.
	Okay, 07s in the chat.
	Oh, wait.
	Are you coming back for the goodbye?
	Really quick.
	Okay, guys.
	07s.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	She's back, guys.
	She's back.
	Okay, 07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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