Whatever Podcast - Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?!

Jan. 29, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Curfews For Men?! Can Women Be TOO Nice/Submissive?! She Dated NFL/NBA Players?! | Dating Talk #224

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	Oh, by the way, before we have everyone introduce themselves, Andrew will be joining us here in just a few minutes.
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	So please tell us your name, age, location, occupation, and education.
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	My name is Michaela Kwan.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I'm from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
	I am a medical assistant, and then I'm an influencer on the side.
	And I have a bachelor's in nutrition from the University of Florida.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	Hi, my name is Bella.
	I do OnlyFans.
	I just dropped out of college after doing it for one and a half years, majoring in criminal justice, and I'm 20 years old.
	All right.
	And did you say where you're from?
	Oh, and I'm from LA.
	From LA?
	Like born and raised?
	Okay.
	And what do you do on OF?
	What kind of content?
	Poludity.
	Any BG stuff?
	Okay.
	And what can we even?
	I don't know if we can say it on stream.
	Maybe try to censor it, but I don't know if what's your Instagram username?
	Just curious.
	Trinkerbo.
	That's crazy.
	We have a couple.
	We have, I believe, two other Asian women on the panel.
	What do you guys think about the, you know, the name?
	Is it fire?
	Is it fire?
	I think it's funny.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Yeah, that's funny.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Ebony.
	I'm 20.
	I'm from Florida.
	Do I have to say the city?
	No, you don't have to say city.
	I'm from Florida, and I do OnlyFans as well.
	I also do webcamming.
	And what was the other question?
	Education.
	Like, are you in college?
	I was in college.
	I dropped out.
	I was doing biology.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How many years in did you drop out?
	Like two semesters.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hello.
	My name is Shelby Clayton.
	I'm 23 years old.
	I'm originally from Reno, Nevada, but I live in LA now.
	I do acting, modeling, and fitness content.
	All right, cool.
	Oh, any school?
	No school?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Anissa.
	Born and raised in LA.
	I'm still in college majoring in political science.
	I act, make music, and do influencing on the side as well.
	Age?
	20.
	20.
	And you've always been from LA?
	Well, born and raised a little bit in LA.
	Then I moved to the Valley.
	So I guess you could say Woodland Hills.
	Gotcha.
	And you're in your third year, fourth year of university or second year.
	And you said you do some music.
	What kind of music do you do?
	I sing RB music.
	Let's hear something.
	Oh.
	Wait, do you know Edda James At Last?
	Do you know that song?
	I know a couple words.
	I mean, I could do like whatever you want.
	You can do whatever you'd like.
	Okay, let's see.
	Throw away your love letters.
	I thought it made me feel better.
	I finally got you out of my head.
	But I still can't get you off my bed.
	Ooh, I'm sending you one text at a time.
	I know you buy your phone.
	So boy, pick up your line.
	And I ain't too proud to beg.
	So what's been said has been said.
	That was great.
	That was Eddie.
	Rock and roll.
	And you said that you do influencing.
	Can you be a little bit more specific?
	What's the, is there a genre of influencing?
	I guess like, I like to say kind of lifestyle content.
	So like everyday errands, I'll do some videos on that when I'm out shopping.
	Fashion stuff too, and just daily lifestyle stuff.
	Fashion and I do makeup videos as well.
	So it's kind of like a little bit of everything that has to do with everyday life.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And you said that you did influencing too.
	What's yours?
	Is yours similar?
	Yeah, it's mostly like it's on TikTok.
	Okay.
	It's pretty much now it's like lifestyle content.
	It started off just like sharing stuff about being biracial.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, interesting.
	It started off that way, but.
	Yeah.
	Did it continue?
	I mean, it continued, but like people started making fun of me.
	They were saying it was like my only personality trait.
	So I kind of switched to do like content that I like to do.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is My Lynn.
	I'm 33, and I own and manage a meal prep store in West Hollywood in Silver Lake.
	And I graduated from the Cordon Blue.
	Is that a culinary school?
	Chef.
	Oh, culinary?
	Okay.
	Did you do any like besides that?
	Did you go to like, I don't know, more typical university or college or straight to culinary school?
	I tried college like six times.
	How many different colleges?
	Six.
	Six different colleges.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And did you get like an associates or?
	I was getting ready to apply to nursing school and I just kind of decided to go more like the entrepreneur business route.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	I'm also from Los Angeles, but I was born in Japan.
	Okay.
	Do you speak Japanese or?
	Yeah, I sound like I'm five, but yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Mecca.
	I'm 25.
	I'm from LA.
	I model and I dance.
	I went to school, but I dropped out, but I want to go back for cosmetology.
	Gotcha.
	And when you say dance, like in a cloak.
	Stripping.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name's Daya.
	I'm 21.
	I'm originally from Arizona and Georgia, and now I live in LA.
	I graduated with my bachelor's degree in marketing, and now I work as a marketer and a sailor.
	And a sailor?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What do you sail on?
	Do you have a boat?
	I do have a boat, yeah.
	You own a boat.
	Yeah, and I'm beginning a business where I'm teaching other women how to sail.
	So that's the end goal: to teach other women how to be one with Mother Nature.
	Will you teach men?
	I mean, yes.
	No, like Brandon over here wants to learn how to sail.
	Yeah, what if I want to sail?
	Do you want to leave?
	Like, what if he wants to?
	No.
	Okay.
	No, I mean, I plan on doing women-only trips.
	I feel like that's safer, creating a safe space for just women to be together.
	Yeah.
	What if there's a bear on the sailboat?
	Then we're pushing the bear off.
	I've got my colleagues.
	Would you rather have a bear on the sailboat or a man on the sailboat?
	So I believe that, you know, I have taught some men, and I would teach men sailing, but I would not do male groups with myself on a sailboat in a remote island.
	I don't think that's a good sail.
	So it's like a safe space for women.
	Yes.
	But like, what if none of the women are like strong enough to like move the jib boom?
	Well, I can move the jib boom.
	You know how to move the jib boom?
	The jib boom is true.
	You know what?
	You're a sailor, right?
	You know what the jib is?
	Why are you calling it a jib boom?
	That's what it's called.
	Okay.
	There's a mast which has a boom.
	The jib, boom.
	Okay.
	I will teach you how to sail if you'd like.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Samson.
	I am 28.
	I'm from Michigan, and I'm a home improvement contractor.
	Along with, I've done maintenance and technician work.
	Any schooling or college, anything?
	Just one year of college.
	Okay.
	All right.
	My name is Brandon Clark.
	I'm from Bozeman, Montana.
	I am a natural bodybuilder.
	I'm an entrepreneur fitness coach.
	I own a couple of businesses and I am a college dropout.
	Yeah.
	W's in the chat for the chat.
	And I'm a virgin.
	I might as well just get that out of the way right now.
	And Brian is trying to find the love of my life for me.
	Yes.
	I was going to get to that during the relationship status part.
	I thought you just wanted me to come out with it now.
	Just like.
	I mean, that works too.
	I might as well stamp it on my forehead.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Yeah, I am his.
	I'm yours for me to get to me.
	Yes.
	All right.
	I'm Brian Atlas 35, YouTuber.
	Washed up.
	Has been.
	Over the hill, podcast host.
	Yeah, that's pretty much it.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Oh, no, Andrew.
	Oh, my gosh.
	She shaved the beard.
	What happened?
	Hold on, just cut the call, Damien.
	Cut the call.
	What did that dude?
	Yeah, my face is very cold.
	He shaved his beard.
	Yeah, so my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of the Crucible.
	It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I do conversations and debates all over the world.
	And I'm happy to be here tonight.
	Welcome, Andrew.
	By the way, I saw a couple days ago, I didn't mention this on Sunday stream, your debate on Piers Morgan with Sank.
	Fantastic, guys.
	So you guys, if you haven't seen it yet, you can just check it out on YouTube.
	But very he spurred pretty hard.
	It was really funny.
	Yeah, it was definitely a very, very interesting debate.
	Going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for five months now.
	And my longest relationship was four years.
	Was that the one that ended five months ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay, pretty fresh.
	Who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	Was there a reason given?
	He was a medical student.
	So the last two years of our relationship was long distance.
	So he got really busy and I was living in Florida.
	Okay.
	No cheating?
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So he's a medical student, got busy.
	Five months, four-year relationship.
	Isn't it like, I don't know if you guys know, like, isn't it the case that it takes half the length of the relationship to get over it?
	Is that been the case for any of you?
	Are you good?
	Yeah, no, I'm definitely over it.
	You're good.
	Yeah.
	I think I read somewhere that it was like one month for every year that you were in the relationship.
	I don't know.
	Wow, that's pretty fast.
	I would say that's pretty fast.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so you've been single for five months.
	Have you been on any dates since then or anything?
	Yeah, I've been on a few dates.
	Yeah.
	Any prospects?
	Any not really.
	No.
	Yeah.
	What would you say you're looking for?
	I don't think I'm necessarily looking for anything right now.
	I'm just like, you know, if it comes, like if the right person comes, then that's it.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	What about you?
	So I am single for a year and a half.
	My longest relationship was like six months.
	All right.
	Was that the one that ended a year and a half ago?
	Yeah.
	Who broke up with who?
	I did.
	Why?
	It was kind of like an agree to disagree kind of thing.
	We argued a lot and we couldn't come to a conclusion, so we kind of just broke things.
	Who started the arguments?
	He did.
	He'd start it.
	Okay.
	Was it on again, off again, or was it?
	It was consistent.
	Okay, so you ended it a year and a half ago.
	It was a six-month relationship.
	And that's your longest.
	Okay.
	And that's before you started your OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	That ended?
	Okay.
	Were you thinking of starting?
	No.
	Well, okay.
	And in the year and a half that you've been single, have you seen anybody maybe for like a month, two months, anything like that?
	Have you been celibate for a year and a half?
	Yes.
	Come on, really?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so any dates or anything or no?
	No dates.
	No dates.
	Because I think I saw on your TikTok you made it.
	It's clickbait.
	It's clickbait.
	You posted a tick.
	No, no, no.
	Well, you posted the TikTok about announcing that you were looking for someone to slide into your DMs or something.
	How's that?
	It's Rageb.
	Oh, so you're not actually looking?
	Oh, no.
	Oh, don't tell me.
	Okay.
	So you wouldn't even go on a date if somebody asked you out?
	I generally don't want a relationship for no.
	Especially when I'm doing only a few years.
	You're focused on business?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Is there like a specific number that you're trying to hit before you're like, okay, now I'll date?
	Until I fall off.
	Until you fall off?
	Until you fall off?
	Yeah, and then I just quit the industry.
	So like three months or you have like a year on a year on it?
	People fall off typically on like 2023, 24?
	Or you planning on just going as long as it possibly takes?
	As long as I can look it.
	Well, all right.
	I mean, what if you don't fall off until like you're 60?
	Then I'm single till 60.
	All right, there you go.
	What about you?
	My last relationship was like high school, like my junior year.
	I'm single.
	So you've been single for three years?
	Three, four?
	Sixly, I guess.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	It was like six months.
	He was like my only boyfriend.
	All right.
	He's the only boyfriend you've had.
	Okay, in the three years you've been single, anything shorter term, like one, two, three months, anything like that?
	Yeah, I've had like some flings here and there.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you have a roster currently?
	Do I have a roster?
	I mean, not really.
	I mean, no, so there's no guys in the picture currently.
	Not one.
	Okay, maybe a few, but it's not like a roster.
	Okay, I guess it could be.
	What's a few?
	Five?
	Like three.
	Three.
	Okay.
	Did they know about each other?
	Of course not.
	Okay.
	Okay, so it is a roster.
	I guess.
	It's like a roster.
	I'm dating them.
	Like, I'm just going out, you know, are you like, I think this is kind of common.
	Like, are you hooking up with one and the other two like just dating?
	No.
	Nothing.
	You're not hooking up with any of them?
	No, not either.
	Okay, but you're dating all of them.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single for like two years, and my longest relationship was two years as well.
	Is that the two-year relationship?
	Is that the one that ended two years ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Why?
	Just wanted to have a season of being single and learn more about myself and just experience life being single, not in a bad way, but just focus on myself.
	Did you want to find yourself?
	I just think it's important to like be single when you're young so that you can focus on yourself and learn what you're looking for and find somebody whose goals and paths and values align with yours.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I've been single for almost two years and my longest relationship was two years as well.
	All right.
	Is that the one that ended two years ago?
	Yes.
	Who broke up with who?
	I did.
	Why?
	I just couldn't do it anymore.
	Like, it was just too much for me.
	It was just very stressful.
	It started to get really toxic.
	He was kind of insecure, so it was just hard to handle.
	Okay.
	And are you seeing anybody currently?
	No.
	I'm just doing it.
	Nobody.
	No prospects.
	No.
	Nothing.
	None.
	They all just got cut off before the new year.
	Oh, okay.
	So when you say all, what are we talking about?
	Like two, three, four.
	What do you maybe like four?
	Okay, four.
	Yeah, like four.
	And you were seeing them for a couple weeks, couple months.
	Yeah, each of them, it was kind of like I was talking to one and then another one just came along.
	And like, you know, since I'm single, it's just like, you know, I'm going to talk to both of you guys.
	And then the third one came along and the fourth one.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Oh, and going back to you, Shelby, really quick.
	Are there any guys in the picture currently?
	I'm dating, but nobody's like nobody like serious right now.
	Do you have a roster?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I've been single for about seven months.
	My longest relationship was six years.
	Is that the one that ended seven months ago, or is that?
	No, it was like one when I was in my early 20s.
	Okay, gotcha.
	The six-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with them.
	The seven-month relationship, or the relationship seven months ago, who broke up with who?
	Me.
	Okay.
	What were the reasons for the reason for the six-year one?
	He was 15 years older than me, and I think I was maturing and I was, I guess, kind of changing or becoming my own person.
	Wait, how old were you when you met him?
	I was 19.
	And you said 15, he was 15 older?
	15 years old?
	15 years older.
	So he was 30.
	30?
	34?
	33, something like that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The math is just difficult for us.
	It's been a while.
	Wait, so, okay, you were with him for six years, though.
	And then, I mean, were there any issues in the relationship or just like, oh, he's old?
	No, it had, I don't think it had anything to do with the age.
	He didn't start balding or anything.
	He was already starting when I met him.
	Oh, that wasn't good.
	No, he didn't.
	He's a great guy.
	I just, I think, because when you're 19, I think you're not quite sure what you want.
	And as I was getting older and more mature, I realized that that person wasn't someone I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.
	How did you meet him, him being so much older than you?
	So I lived abroad for the last decade and I worked in the circus, so I traveled a lot.
	And we worked for the same company, and I met him through work.
	For a circus, what did you do in the circus?
	I was a flying trapeze artist and an aerialist.
	No, okay.
	Was he like a lion tamer?
	No, he was the general manager of like this.
	He was the G space guy.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Was it an open relationship?
	No.
	No, it was closed.
	Okay.
	You said that there were, I forgot exactly what you said, but there were things that you were looking for that as you got older.
	What were those like new things, I guess, that you were looking for that he wasn't fulfilling?
	Well, I guess because he was much older than me, he was a little bit more set in his ways.
	And I guess I didn't completely agree with his ways.
	Yeah, well, can you give us like one or two examples?
	What were the ways he was set in?
	Well, I mean, like when we go out and our friends are, our friends are much older, or like closer to his age.
	And as a 19-year-old, it was a little bit hard to relate.
	And I always felt kind of excluded or like not quite understanding what was going on, like at that maturity level.
	Okay.
	Was there ever a disagreement between who wanted kids and who no?
	I think we both wanted kids.
	Actually, I was engaged to him, but then I realized I haven't, I like didn't really date before him, so I didn't really know what I wanted.
	Okay, so you needed that freedom of exploration, it seems like.
	Something similar?
	Yeah, I didn't really explore much.
	Okay, okay.
	Do you ever open the story with like, yeah, I got to relationships and started sleeping with my boss at the circus?
	Like, I mean, that's kind of funny, right?
	It's kind of, I mean, it is kind of funny, isn't it?
	Yeah, no, I never tell people that.
	I mean, but yeah, I usually, when I mention anything about the circus, then I get like pretty flooded with questions because I know it's pretty unusual.
	Okay, question for like any guy or girl looking to date somebody who works in a circus, like, is there a certain like stay away from the like the flame eaters?
	Like, what do what's the best?
	Oh, yeah, that's a good question.
	Okay, um, the guys that do like the ones on the motorcycles, like the Wheel of Death, that one, and like sports.
	The guys are in the motorcycle, that one, they're usually like adrenaline junkies.
	Okay.
	And the one where, is it the Wheel of Death where they're like spinning like, and there's two like circles, and it's there's two people, like one at the top, and it's spinning.
	And they're on the motorcycle, right?
	These guys are like jump roping.
	Oh, okay.
	Those guys are also like adrenaline junkies.
	So it's okay, them.
	Yeah.
	But what about like the sword dudes?
	Or like the flame people?
	Are they cool?
	Yeah, they're like tame.
	Are they dwarves?
	No, I didn't work in like that kind of circus.
	It was mostly like the aerial performances.
	No fire stuff?
	No, fire stuff.
	Sword stuff.
	Sword stuff.
	Yeah, but I was more in like I was a flying trapeze artist, so we didn't, it's weird.
	Like we don't like really hang out with the echelon in the circus game.
	To me, it's the guys that do straps.
	Straps?
	What is that?
	It's like not like bondage or anything.
	Straps.
	No, I mean like maybe not for dating, but like, or maybe I was just for career.
	Like who's the to me?
	The guys that do straps.
	Straps.
	Yeah, it's like an apparatus that has like two straps hanging.
	And usually there's like a loop for your hands, like your hands to go through, or sometimes it's your feet.
	And it's just like pure strength.
	So you don't usually see women doing it.
	Okay.
	It's like a lot of guys.
	It's like a more like a guy's apparatus.
	Got it.
	What about your relationship status?
	It's like so complicated because I have a kid.
	So my kid's dad.
	I don't want to be in the relationship anymore, but he wants to.
	So I kind of, I don't know, I don't really talk to people.
	But you don't want to be in the room.
	I don't want to be in the relationship.
	You guys are married or not?
	No.
	We were like engaged, but like when I was pregnant, I found out like he cheated.
	And then, yeah, I was on Mother's Day.
	I caught him.
	Mother's Day.
	Nice.
	And you have just one kid?
	Yeah.
	And do you share custody?
	Well, he like just moved out of my place and got his own place.
	Okay.
	So you kicked him out because he still wanted to be in the relationship?
	Okay.
	So you kicked him out.
	And you were with, you were dancing while you were with himself?
	I met him at the club, and then like he kind of got like mad about it.
	So I like I stopped and like he took care of me and stuff like when I didn't work.
	But like the whole like cheating thing, I was like not for that because like you cheat on me while I was pregnant.
	And then I found out like the first four months of my kid's life, he was like doing it.
	So it was just a loss.
	I was like, I can't do this anymore.
	Plus, like, I'm older than him, so I know what I want in life, and like, I don't think he really has it figured out.
	So, I'm kind of like, I'm like, very focused on what my goals are for this year.
	And, like, how long have you been with him?
	Uh, we were together for two years.
	All right.
	Is that your longest relationship?
	All right, got it.
	Uh, what about you?
	I am in a relationship, and my longest relationship was two years before this.
	All right, how long is this relationship?
	Eight months, but we were best friends for two years before, so it's kind of like a what about you?
	Uh, I'm single.
	My last relationship was in 2018.
	We dated for four years, um, and I lived with him for a little bit.
	All right, and you said you've been single since 2018?
	Yeah, so like seven years ago?
	I did talk to a boy on Discord for two years.
	That was interesting.
	How did you meet him?
	On Discord?
	Well, like, what form?
	There's a Discord server called Daddy Discord.
	Wait, and it's a daddy discord.
	Daddy.
	Yeah.
	So it's a server with tons of public voice channels.
	Public voice?
	Tons of public voice channels where you got 10 people in a call and then you can go hop down to another one that could only have five all over the world.
	So we met in there.
	But you never met in person.
	No.
	Actually, he kind of showed up to my house.
	He like, I blocked him, and he got my grandmother's phone number.
	So he, did he live in the same town as you, or did he come to your town?
	I live in California.
	So we went from California to Michigan.
	Yeah.
	It was wild.
	It was wild.
	All right.
	But so you've been single for seven years, since about 2018.
	Have you had any short-term anything with any guys in that time period?
	No.
	I always keep an eye out, though.
	Wait, have you been celibate for seven years?
	No.
	Oh.
	So you've had flings and stuff?
	Yeah.
	When's the last fling that you had?
	Yesterday?
	Last week?
	September.
	September.
	Okay.
	Is that over, though?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Let's see here.
	So the longest relationship that I've been in was about a year and eight months, and it was very off and on.
	We broke up quite a few times.
	I would say in total, I've been in about three decently serious relationships.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And you are a virgin.
	Yes.
	There we go.
	24-year-old virgin.
	Yep.
	It's good.
	24-year-old virgin.
	Adorable.
	I've never met a virgin.
	I'm curious.
	You've never met a virgin before.
	Would any of you date a virgin going around the table?
	Would you date a virgin?
	Yeah.
	Preferably not.
	Ouch.
	Yeah, probably not.
	Yeah.
	Just kidding.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	Yes, because I'm also celibate.
	Oh, I do.
	Thank you.
	Wait, what?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, so you're a virgin or are you just celibate?
	I'm just celibate.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Fantastic.
	Yeah.
	Very interesting.
	All right.
	Now I know who to grill on this, but no, I'm just kidding.
	Please don't.
	I'm totally.
	All right.
	Andrew, relationship status?
	I'm married.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	Cool.
	So that's everybody's status.
	We have a couple chats here that I'm going to let come through.
	Touch My Blade.
	He sent this in yesterday.
	Touch My Blade.
	It came in right at the end of the stream, so we missed it.
	Thank you for all your patronage yesterday, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have a question here from...
	Ladies, would you rather have a high-profile job with no pay or clean sewers for $100,000 a year?
	Also, what's the least amount of...
	What's the least amount of money you would buzz your hair off for wow?
	Okay, I need to fix that.
	I don't know why.
	Okay.
	I like the way it's so good.
	So, the question: would you rather have a high-profile job with no pay or clean sewers for $100,000 a year?
	Let's do that one first, then we can do the other one.
	Starting with you, Michaela?
	I don't know.
	You gotta pick.
	If you have to pick one.
	So, the status or the money, essentially.
	I think I'd clean sewers.
	For $100,000?
	Okay.
	I'd clean sewers.
	For $100,000?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'd clean the sewers.
	Okay.
	Well, what's the pay of the other one?
	Like, it still doesn't matter.
	I'll repeat it.
	It's terrible.
	Here, it's would you rather have a high-profile job with no pay?
	So you make zero or clean sewers for $100,000 a year.
	So, for example, high-profile job, you might be like a doctor or an attorney or something like that.
	But you don't get paid anything and you work full-time.
	Okay, you pick that.
	What about you?
	I'll do the sewers.
	Sewers, okay.
	I'd clean sewers.
	Sewers, okay.
	I don't know.
	I feel kind of conflicted because I feel like if you have a high-profile job, you can like network and then get paid doing some side things.
	But if that's not an option, then I guess clean sewers.
	She found a loophole.
	There's the loophole.
	Yeah, the loophole.
	I don't know if that would pan out.
	What about you?
	No, actually, I agree with her from the marketing perspective.
	Like, you could definitely make money off of that.
	Just like make a TikTok or something.
	I don't accept this loophole.
	I reject the loophole.
	You can't do the side hustle.
	Is the high-profile job something where you're helping people?
	Because then it's a combination of money versus like aiding people.
	Like you said, a doctor.
	If you clean sewers, you're helping people.
	That's cool though.
	That's a noble job.
	You're picking for money, though.
	You said it's $100,000 versus a high-profile job.
	No money.
	That's the question.
	So if it's a doctor versus sewers, sure.
	Doctor versus sewers.
	I would rather help people for no money than get paid a lot of money to clean sewers.
	What about you?
	I do the high-profile because it's testing your brain, I'd say.
	All right.
	It's funny.
	Brandon LeBron.
	I love money, but I can't clean sewers for the rest of my life.
	Yeah, but you're going to be broke, Brandon.
	Dude, it's sad.
	You want kids?
	You want a family?
	I'd have to take the status of it.
	Because I assume I'd be able, I wouldn't be living on the street, right?
	I mean, you're not making any money.
	So I'd have to live with my parents again.
	You got to live with your parents or you got to marry a sugar mama.
	Okay, if I'm completely broke, so I would have to clean the sewers.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Oh, and then really quick on this one, he asked a second question.
	What's the least amount of money you would buzz your hair off for?
	Starting with Michaela.
	So buzz.
	Shorter than my hair.
	Just, I mean, see the sides?
	The whole head.
	That's how short?
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	This is a great question.
	Do it for 10K.
	Well done.
	10K?
	10K?
	I don't know.
	100K.
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay.
	Probably 100K.
	100K?
	I've been thinking about it, actually.
	So probably like 50K.
	50K, bare minimum?
	Okay.
	Least amount to buzz your hair off?
	Probably 100K.
	100K?
	Yeah, 100K.
	I used to be bald, so you'll do it for hamburgers?
	Really?
	No, no.
	Was that when you were in the circus?
	Yeah, I just wanted to see what I'd look like, like bald.
	Was it like a Britney Spears moment?
	No, that's what everyone always asks.
	No, I just wanted to see like it's more aerodynamic, I'm sure.
	Yeah, no, it's like Velcro.
	Not yet.
	Because everything sticks with it.
	So how much?
	I don't want to do it again, so probably like a lot of, I don't know, 100K.
	How much?
	All right, what about you?
	Tanger?
	Yeah, I've also shaved my head like twice in my life before.
	All right, there you go.
	Right now, probably like $50,000.
	I'll do it.
	All right.
	I agree with that.
	$50,000.
	$50K.
	All right.
	$200K because I wouldn't leave the house for two years.
	Also, you can buy a wig.
	Brandon, how much would you buzz your head?
	I would personally take like $5,000 and then I would just wear one of those George Washington wigs around for the entire time.
	So yeah, the price is pretty low.
	I think my head would look pretty good shaved.
	Not terribly.
	Okay.
	But I do like my hair.
	That's cool.
	All right.
	We have two more coming through here.
	Oh, Andrew, how much would you shave your buzz, not shave, buzz your hair off for?
	Fucking do it for free if it was hot enough outside.
	All right, there you go.
	This is totally unimportant to me.
	Someone was like, here's 5,000 bucks.
	You buzz your head.
	I mean, I don't care.
	It grows back.
	Yeah.
	I've asked this question before, and we've had some women who wouldn't even do it for a meal.
	And I was like, that's crazy, because you could get a really nice wig.
	They're coping and they're full of it.
	Come on.
	Yeah, there's no one who's like, here's a million dollars cash if you buzz your head.
	All these chicks would buzz their head immediately.
	Well, I tried to explain it.
	Like, okay, let's think about it.
	Okay, what's your job?
	Okay, you make $20 an hour.
	You would have to work like 20 years to make a million dollars.
	Like, you're not going to do it.
	I guess if they're making tons off of OF, though, the hair is making the money.
	But I guess they could get the wig.
	They can still get the wig.
	All right, we have another one from.
	Oh, boy.
	Arch.
	Okay.
	Oh, my.
	Archduke Blockteviews.
	This guy donates Trump.
	Oh, my God.
	Would you accept Trump?
	I'm sorry.
	Plus, Trump never became president because what it meant the Axis powers.
	Germany won W2.
	Would you take that trade?
	That's an amazing question.
	Here, I'm going to have to probably retrigger it.
	I'm not sure why.
	All right.
	Were you guys able to understand that?
	Okay, here.
	I'll play it all with you, Archduke.
	Hopefully, it doesn't do it again.
	Archduke Blocktaviews, VI donated $200.
	If Trump came out as trans, would you accept him as the first woman president of the USA?
	Plus, if Trump never became president, but it meant the Axis powers, Germany, won World War II.
	Would you take that trade?
	Okay, so first question.
	We'll start with the first and then we'll come back to the second.
	If Trump came out as trans, would you accept him as the first woman president of the United States?
	Michaela?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, that's very sure.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Unfortunately, yes.
	Unfortunately, yes.
	Okay.
	That would be a great step forward for women, I think.
	But what about you?
	No.
	No, you wouldn't accept there's only two genders.
	Okay, there you go.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'll accept that.
	You would accept him as the first woman president?
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Sure, okay.
	I'll accept, but it depends on what's going to be his stance moving forward with the trans people because right now it's like very controversial.
	I would not.
	You wouldn't.
	Why?
	Well, he's trans, so.
	Okay, sorry.
	He would be trans, so he would be considered a trans woman, but I don't think that that would make him the first woman president.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you, Simpson?
	He wouldn't be the first woman president.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's a dude.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then the second part.
	The second question is: if Trump never became president, but it meant the Axis powers, so like Germany, Italy, Japan, they won World War II.
	Would you take the trade?
	What does that mean?
	It's trying to figure out if you hate Trump or not.
	It's saying, would you accept Nazi Germany versus Trump, basically?
	Like, so if you could make the trade like wow, you guys just, oh my God.
	No, I get it.
	You guys both made it worse.
	How do we both make it worse?
	Wait.
	It's because you, I forgot what the term is.
	You guys, whatever, okay.
	You added other qualifiers.
	Oh, no, it's just more confusing.
	You added other qualifiers, which may warp people's responses.
	But so, okay, starting with Michaela, I guess.
	She doesn't even know what she's answering.
	Yeah, to be honest.
	I don't know.
	So it's like Trump never became president.
	Trump doesn't.
	But the entailment of that, so if he never became president, but it meant like time machine, Germany won World War II.
	Italy.
	But he, like, he is the president.
	So why?
	I'm just going to ask you to.
	No, but it's hypothetical.
	Yeah, so okay, then I just accept him being president over that.
	All right, what about you?
	I wouldn't take the trade off.
	Wouldn't take the trade.
	No, wouldn't take the trade.
	Wouldn't take the trade.
	No.
	Nope, okay.
	No.
	No.
	There you go.
	All right.
	You got our attention?
	Yeah, no.
	What?
	Okay.
	All right.
	I couldn't read it.
	Oh, okay.
	And then let's see.
	We have Lucas here.
	Andrew, am I wrong?
	Looks like you've dropped a shit ton of weight.
	Looking good, brother.
	Should be able to make it to Newark.
	New Jersey debate will be fun watching.
	FTFE get the Sync snake treatment.
	Yeah, it's really funny because there's tons of people who are going over to a modern-day debate who paid for tickets and they paid for the VIP and everything else because they want to see me over there debating.
	You should tell James that he should give all of that money to me and keep none of it since I filled his seats up just to piss him off.
	It'll be good for James.
	All right, nice.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	All right.
	So let's see here.
	We're going to get into some of the pre-show.
	Actually, let's do a react.
	Damien, let's do that first Twitter react.
	Do you know which one I'm talking about?
	The very first one, not the groups.
	The first one.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, let's get that pulled up.
	All right, guys.
	So this tweet went viral.
	It was like a month ago, back in December.
	But, all right.
	So first date ever tonight.
	Absolutely bricking it.
	Wish us luck, ladies and gentlemen.
	Click the photo.
	All right.
	And so he has flowers going on the first date with flowers.
	You can X out of that.
	And then the tweet went viral, though.
	Got like, I don't know, 100 million views on Twitter.
	People were debating whether in today's day and age, like, is it kind of lame to bring a girl flowers?
	So going around the table, what do you guys think?
	Do you think it's kind of sweet for a guy to bring girls flowers on the first date?
	Is he maybe kind of trying too hard, doing too much, a little extra?
	Starting with Michaela, what do you think?
	I feel like it depends on how long.
	Attractive the guy is.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	How long I've been talking to him, like beforehand?
	Say you met him on Discord.
	No flowers.
	No flowers.
	Okay, disregard the Discord thing.
	What about you?
	I think it's really sweet.
	Okay.
	If he brings flowers.
	Okay.
	I don't really care for flowers.
	Maybe if there's like money wrapped around them.
	Period.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I would love flowers.
	I'm curious of why you said you wouldn't like flowers.
	I feel like if I've known him for a while, like if we were friends beforehand and then he was like, okay, I want to take you on a date and he brought flowers.
	I feel like that's fine.
	But I don't know.
	Somebody that I like don't know bringing flowers.
	Like, I would feel weird because I don't have anything for him either.
	So, like, it'd be weird if he brought me something and I didn't have anything.
	You feel like it needs to be transactional?
	Like, why can't somebody just give you something just for the sake of giving?
	Yeah, I guess that's true.
	That's fair enough.
	Okay.
	I think it's really sweet.
	I love flowers.
	Like, it's better than him coming empty-handed.
	All right.
	Yeah, I think it's sweet.
	I'll accept them.
	Yeah, I'd appreciate flowers.
	I think that's cute.
	It shows that he made effort, so yes.
	Yes, but I think they should gift house plants instead.
	They live longer.
	I agree with that, actually.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Brandon, what do you think?
	Flowers, no flowers?
	I have never brought flowers on a first date, but I don't know.
	If I was feeling really romantic, it might happen, but we would have had to have talked for a while before that.
	I have a funny first date thing.
	Really quick before I have you go into that, has anybody here gotten flowers on a first date?
	Yes.
	Multiple times.
	Michaela.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Damn, somebody help out.
	Oh, I'm no Kayla.
	Hi.
	Yeah.
	Help him out with some flowers or something.
	Shit.
	I've actually gotten flowers on the first date.
	A girl brought me flowers.
	I've done that.
	And then a girl, a different girl, this one, it wasn't the first date, though.
	She brought me flowers.
	I don't know.
	It's like a couple dates in.
	But first date, a girl brought me flowers.
	I was like, okay, cool.
	Did it.
	What do I do?
	Did it go any further than that?
	Did it go anywhere?
	was your original reaction to that uh i mean it was like endearing but it was like but then you were you carrying around the flowers for the whole I didn't know what to do.
	So you were just carrying them around.
	No, well, we stopped somewhere, so it was like, yeah, I wasn't carrying them, though.
	He put them in his hair.
	Yeah, I put one in my right hand.
	Men deserve flowers too.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	I think women should bring flowers on.
	Not the men, the women should bring flowers on the first date.
	You had something, Shelby.
	Go ahead.
	A guy brought me.
	Well, he brought me cat treats on the first date because I have cats.
	And that's kind of what sparked our conversation.
	So he was really, I thought it was really sweet.
	He brought cat treats for my cats.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think that that's valid.
	He brought like Meow mixed.
	No, yeah.
	They were actually like from Amazon and they were like Amazon wrapped and like in a gift.
	Oh, okay.
	That's cool.
	There was like a lot of thought put into it.
	Wow.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	All right.
	I received a road bike on a first date.
	Nice.
	So they found out that was training for a triathlon.
	I thought you don't date the like the biker guys though.
	A road bike.
	Like a triathlon.
	Like a triathlon, yeah.
	I got mixed.
	I got my wires crossed there.
	Those are expensive.
	Those are like it was brand new or usually it was used.
	It was like his wife's or something.
	Oh, wow.
	Very, very romantic.
	That's on the first date.
	Wait, how bad would it be?
	I definitely didn't do this.
	So I told you guys how on the first date a girl brought me flowers on the first date.
	What if I re-gifted those to another, like another girl that I was going on the first date that I was going to live with?
	I don't think it would last.
	Is that valid?
	That would be crazy.
	I'm just saying, what if I did that?
	I mean, she wouldn't know.
	I guess you could get away with it if it lasts till then.
	You know, like if somebody gives you a toaster and you don't need a toaster, you just gift it to somebody else.
	Like, I don't need flowers.
	What if you started dating and then, you know, years down the line, you have to tell her that those flowers that she thought were so sweet were actually from another girl?
	Oh, I thought you meant, what do I say to our children to the first girl who gave me the flowers?
	Yeah, I would tell our kids that.
	Yeah, your mom gave me flowers and then I gave them away to another girl.
	That's really romantic.
	Actually, it'd be more romantic if I was dating the other woman who I gave the flowers to, because then, like, I picked her over the flower girl.
	All right, tough crowd, eh?
	How about your mother?
	That's fantastic.
	Yeah.
	Were we going around the table on the flower thing?
	Oh, Shelby, did you have something or did you already?
	I already talked.
	Oh, you already shh.
	It was the cat traits.
	Oh, the cat traits.
	Okay.
	God.
	Andrew, your thoughts on the flower thing?
	Should a guy bring a girl flowers on the first date, Andrew?
	I mean, I guess if he wants to.
	I don't really see, again, though, I don't really see why women in modernity deserve any type of chivalry.
	I still don't understand that.
	I still haven't heard a compelling argument for the idea that for some reason you deserve equality and status.
	It's like, that's not how that works.
	So I don't think so.
	I don't think men should probably bring women anything on a first date, to be honest with you.
	I think it's a bad idea.
	I'm with Michaela on this.
	I don't believe.
	Is that how you got your wife by not giving her flowers?
	Yeah.
	W. W's in the chat for Andrew.
	And he's the only one here who's married.
	Yeah.
	Boom.
	How about that?
	How about them out there?
	Maybe if you didn't want flowers, you'd be married.
	I'm 21, so I would rather not be married right now.
	Thank you.
	I mean, it's.
	Well, I mean, if you keep demanding flowers, it's going to be 41.
	I never demanded anything.
	I've never demanded anything.
	I've just had very sweet boyfriends.
	What are your cat's name's going to be anyway?
	Fluffy?
	You're going to have one named Fluffy.
	I don't really think it's smart to have a cat on a boat.
	Do you think you're going to give them people names?
	Like Chuck?
	You're going to call it like Chuck and Fred?
	You got to give your cat people names?
	You're going to be people named cats?
	That's a very great question.
	Please ask me in five years when I'm 26 and apparently washed up.
	20?
	Who said 26?
	What are you talking about?
	You're saying that because I'm 21 and not married, that's, you know, me thinking that flowers are sweet are the reason for that.
	That's idiotic.
	That does not make any sense.
	I'm not saying I demand flowers.
	I'm saying that a gentleman.
	I know that a perfectly good joke.
	I know a perfectly good joke can hurt your feelings for no particularly good reason, even though I'm clearly kidding.
	But perhaps you can take a breath and actually respond to my argument instead.
	So here's my actual position.
	My actual position is that chivalry gives women additional status that men do not receive.
	Therefore, if women want egalitarianism or equality, they don't deserve additional status.
	You see?
	And what do you mean by status?
	I understand what you're saying.
	I want to understand it further.
	So what do you mean by status?
	Okay, well, men get on the lifeboats last.
	Men are expected to protect women.
	Men are expected to not hit women back.
	Men are expected to go to frontline warfare and combat in a draft.
	Women are not.
	The list is endless, in fact, of the statuses which women get in society that men do not due to this idea of chivalry, which is hundreds of years old now, which has carried over when women were given this special status in society because men had the authority.
	Now that men do not have that authority and women are equal, why do women deserve this chivalric status?
	Why do they deserve it?
	I don't see why they do.
	So you believe that kind gestures like flowers are comparable to front lines in the war.
	Can you just repeat back what I said so I know that you got it?
	I heard what you said.
	What you were saying?
	Then repeat it back to me so that I know you understand what I'm saying.
	Okay, that's kind of my actual position on this.
	How I understood it, which you can correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding, was that you see the fact that men have a lower position in society compared to women, right?
	When it comes to the fact that women are not going to be drafted, that men have other issues that they have to deal with that women are kind of put back for.
	Women do not have to be expected to let their man first get on the lifeboat if there's a ship that's sinking.
	I understand what you're saying, but I don't understand how a kind action of somebody giving you flowers is comparable to the issues that men have to go through on a date of money.
	So then I guess men are kinder than women if you expect that men then will bring you flowers and you bring it up.
	I don't expect it.
	I do think that that is fair to say that it is a kind gentleman to bring you flowers.
	I can agree that you're not going to be able to do that.
	It would be a kind woman who brought, yeah, I've also brought my boyfriend flowers.
	There's no argument.
	Should you guys be competing over who's kinder than on the first date?
	Shouldn't the woman be bringing the man flowers to show how kind she is?
	That's fair.
	I have done that on a first date.
	It's a respect thing.
	It shows.
	How many times on the first date have you brought flowers versus you have flowers brought to you?
	Okay, well, I've had...
	So you're just meaner than all the men you date, aren't you?
	Just say, Andrew, by my own logic, I'm meaner than all of the men I date because I don't bring them flowers and they bring me flowers.
	There's different ways to show affection rather than just gifts.
	can show affection through acts of service whether that's you know cooking them a meal whether that's you know setting up the date itself whether that's you know them teaching you a new skill you teaching them a new skill I've taken people on dates where I've taught them how to ride motorcycles or to sail or that sounds like an exchange I thought you were talking about acts of kindness.
	So if you're talking about acts of kindness and not an exchange, and you say it's a very kind thing for people to show up and give me flowers, well, it wouldn't be, and it's a very kind thing if you show up and give them flowers.
	Then why is it that more men are being more kind to you than you are to them?
	Can you explain that?
	Why is it a competition between who's kinder?
	Why isn't it just kind of like a female?
	You're the one who needed a competition because you said it's an act of kindness and gentlemanly men should do it.
	I was saying that it was kind when men do do this.
	You know, when men do give flowers, that is an act of generosity.
	That is an act of generosity.
	More men have brought you flowers than you brought men flowers.
	So therefore, by that logic, men are way kinder to you than you are to men.
	yeah so do i have to can you answer my question can you answer my question I'm answering.
	By your logic, if it's kind to bring flowers and more men bring you flowers than you bring men flowers, then men are kinder to you than you're kind to men.
	Is that correct or not correct?
	It's flawed logic.
	Oh, okay, how?
	Because it's not whether or not, you know, I brought them flowers or they brought me flowers.
	It's them doing something that is kind towards me, right?
	Which, yes, in that scenario, that would be them being kinder on the first date.
	However, I have not dated that many men, and I have not, you know, exchanged flowers with that many men.
	That's not like something, oh, it's a Tuesday.
	I'm going to go on a date so I can get flowers.
	Like, that is an evil intention to just use men for a purpose like that.
	Yes, have men given me more flowers than I've given them?
	Sure.
	Does that mean that I am cruel because I don't know?
	I don't know what that has to do with anything.
	I'm just utilizing your metric.
	I'm not saying you're an unkind person.
	I don't understand.
	I'm just saying that men are really kinder to you.
	I'm not saying you're an unkind person.
	I'm not saying you're mean.
	I'm not saying you're cruel.
	I'm not saying any of those things.
	I'm just saying that if it is the case that flowers equals kindness and kind act and more men bring you flowers than you bring them, then they started with a kind of kindly towards you, then you're acting towards them.
	That I can agree with.
	They were kinder to me in the beginning.
	That is fair.
	That is a fair assessment.
	Now, does that mean that, you know, what you're saying is that you started with, you know, I am crueler to men than men are to me, that men are kinder to me than I am to them.
	That's not a fair assumption, you know.
	But are you saying that they did a kinder gesture to me on a first stage?
	What I'm saying is very simple: is that if you demand these additional statuses in society, like men have the chivalry.
	I don't demand it.
	Gentlemanly men open my car door.
	Gentlemanly men will bring me flowers.
	Gentlemanly men will pay for the first thing.
	Sorry, with respect.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You gotta let them finish, then you can respond.
	And then I'll let you talk, I promise.
	Just relax.
	Okay, gentlemanly men will do all of these things for me, right?
	That's very nice of them to do all those things for you.
	What are you doing for them?
	Well, you're not doing anything because, well, that's what gentlemanly men do.
	So you're putting yourself at a status, giving yourself additional status that men don't have.
	And what I'm saying is, like, why the fuck should they do that?
	That sounds really stupid.
	If women are indeed equal to men, why waste their time?
	It makes no sense.
	That's fair, and that is not how I am.
	You know, if men are doing all these things, right, I know how to fix.
	I live on a sailboat, right?
	So I've learned how to fix my boat.
	I've created this future for my future partner where we can travel around the world and I will be able to fix the engine, which I just did last week.
	I had to fix my heat exchanger.
	I can do my own septic, my plumbing.
	I can do my own woodworking.
	I have fixed many things on my boat and I'm continuing to learn those skills so that it is an equal partnership.
	Now you're saying men are expected to do all these things.
	I'm not expecting a man to do all these things and I just sit back and act like some helpless damsel in distress.
	You can do your own woodworking?
	Yes, I can.
	I actually am a woodworker.
	Do you use a wood lathe?
	No, I do not use wood lathe.
	How do you use a wood lathe?
	Do you use a router?
	No, I do not.
	I have a sailboat.
	You don't use a router?
	What do you use to do woodworking?
	use a hand saw or a circular saw i use how do you act Well, how are you working the wood?
	That's a circular saw.
	What are you talking about?
	That's not woodworking.
	That's wood cutting.
	That's not woodworking.
	Do you know what woodworking is?
	Yes, I do.
	I do woodworking in a sailboat.
	It's different.
	It's okay.
	I don't know what you want from me.
	You just have to do it.
	I'm just very confused.
	I thought you were a woodworker.
	I don't know what to do.
	not my profession but it is something that i'm learning how to do in order to take care of my sailboat which i can then provide that lifestyle for my partner so just because i don't what okay Okay.
	I've had to fix multiple things on my boat, right?
	Like I had to create a table, okay?
	So I had to learn how to take the wood and sand it to the right shape, right?
	I had to learn how to cut things.
	I had to use different saws.
	I had to use, you know, different, like linseed oil, right, to protect it.
	I've had to use different, you know, I've had to learn how to work with files.
	Basic woodworking is my knowledge so far.
	I never said I was an expert.
	I'm saying I'm learning.
	Yeah, I mean, that's not even basic woodworking.
	It's just basic maintenance.
	But yeah, I mean, fair enough.
	I'm just saying, I'm just curious.
	Like, I'm just asking when you say I do woodworking, how you do woodworking.
	What do you do woodworking with?
	I'm just curious.
	That's all.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and I'm learning still.
	It's not like I'm a carpenter, you know?
	Like, I don't, I'm not that level.
	I'm in marketing.
	Like, I'm learning how to do these things on my own.
	Now, if you ask me about septic, I can tell you a lot because I had to fix mine last month.
	But, you know, it's not like I'm a professional.
	So do I expect men to do everything for me?
	No.
	I'm learning how to take care of myself and so that I can also help my partner understand and learn and take care of these things as well.
	I don't expect men to save me.
	I do appreciate a man who is a gentleman, but that doesn't mean that I am expecting every man to care for me like a child.
	I would like you to agree with me then that there's no good reason for men to give women.
	But flowers is a gesture of kindness.
	That's a gesture of respect.
	It's not an issue of you can't show people respect unless you open their door and give them flowers.
	I never said that I expect everyone to be afraid of the people.
	Isn't it the bigger sign of respect to treat you exactly as an equal?
	Wouldn't that be the biggest sign of respect?
	I do agree with that.
	And so, like I said, I've got rid of this evil status of toxic femininity.
	That's right.
	They demand additional status in society that they don't deserve when we should be treating them like the equals they demand we treat them.
	Okay, so what is your definition of toxic femininity?
	What do you mean by that?
	What is, you know, a demand for additional status is based on old chivalric codes that are undeserved when you at the same time demand equality.
	So I would say toxic femininity is the demand of Schrödinger's feminists who claim: here's a Schrödinger's feminist.
	You are both the biggest victim on planet Earth while at the same time the most badass entitled or badass woman on planet Earth.
	And depending on what circumstance you're in, you'll use either one of those.
	Either you're super oppressed or you're badass.
	That's Schrödinger's feminist.
	That's fair.
	What toxic femininity is, toxic femininity, is just saying, look, if you're demanding additional statuses in society while you're demanding equality in society, then you're not demanding equality in society.
	You're demanding status.
	I agree with that.
	And, you know, back to your original point of the flowers.
	I said that it was a kind gesture.
	I've also given men flowers.
	So I do think that there are certain things that are conflicting when it comes to feminism and wanting to be treated higher than rather than equal because feminism originally was for equality.
	I do agree with you there.
	And that's not a point that I'm arguing with you on.
	Obviously.
	Like, I believe femininity and feminism, you know, in the olden day sense is better than what it's turned into.
	I believe that, you know, if it wasn't, it was just, it was even worse.
	It was even worse.
	Imagine this.
	Like, can you imagine that women, and this is the truth, women had serious societal status, and now they're told to compete with men?
	It's fucking stupid.
	It's like it's the dumbest thing ever.
	They had real societal status, and they took all that status away from themselves so that they could be equal to men who they can't be equal with.
	It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
	What is status if not freedom?
	Why would you trade status for freedom?
	I believe that you should want to be able to be your own person.
	Now, the time that you're talking- Freedom to do what?
	Freedom to be an individual.
	In the olden days, you had to be tied to a man.
	You had to be tied to a husband.
	Now, is that me saying, oh, I hate men?
	No.
	I plan on having a husband sometime.
	Okay.
	There's no escaping being tied to men.
	There's no escaping that.
	Like, everything, the whole building you're in, the streets you walk on, the cars you drive, everything that you do is tied to men.
	There's no escaping that.
	Right, and there should be a relationship that is equal between man and woman.
	I'm not saying that you should cut out men.
	I'm not saying that women should be lower or higher.
	I'm saying that there should be an equal level between men and women.
	Men and women have different places in society that they are dominating.
	Why should they be equal?
	Why?
	Why should they be equal?
	Because we are both human beings.
	Because we both have human rights.
	That is like saying that you should treat one race different than the other.
	You shouldn't treat a man versus a woman differently.
	Hang on, back up.
	Back up, back up, back up.
	Okay.
	You wouldn't be treating one race differently than another, right?
	You'd be treating one sex differently.
	Because you do agree with me that there's different races who are the same sex, who are women and men.
	Still have authority in society, right?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry to cut you off in the middle of your long diatribe.
	I just want to clarify.
	If men have status or have authority in society and women have status in society, that's fine.
	But if you want to trade that for equality, you can't bitch when you get it.
	That's my point.
	What is the difference between treating somebody differently based on their race versus based on their gender?
	There should not be a difference.
	We are all human beings, so you should treat us equal based on that.
	That in of itself is the basis of human beings.
	It's just an assertion.
	We don't treat each other equally at all.
	Men don't treat each other equally, even slightly.
	We compete with each other every single day, seven days a week, every single day of the year.
	Men are in competition.
	Hang on.
	Can I respond to what you just said?
	Yes, sir.
	If not, then make sure that you give me the high sign and say I'm not done yet, and I'll be quiet.
	So if you want to continue, go ahead and finish, and then I'll respond.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say that maybe my viewpoint isn't how society is actually based, but it's a utopian viewpoint.
	I believe that people should be treated equal, not based on their gender, not based on their race, not based on anything else besides that they are a human being.
	So you may speak now.
	That was all I wanted to say.
	And that's fine to treat people equally if that's what your value is, okay?
	But then you can't ask for additional statuses because that wouldn't be equal.
	That's the point.
	That's the purpose.
	And the thing is, is that women do ask for additional statuses.
	So here would be true equality.
	You don't lower the training standards for police officers because they're women.
	You don't lower the training standards for soldiers because they're women.
	You don't lower the standards for flight school.
	You don't lower the standards for any of these various things that men are clearly much better at than women because they're women.
	That would be true equality.
	When you come back to me and give me that, then I'll believe that women don't want additional statuses in society.
	But right now, it sure seems like they do.
	I believe that's fair.
	And, you know, my viewpoint might not be the same as every other woman in society, but I do think that we should be treated equally.
	Do you know what that would actually entail?
	I do understand what that actually would entail, yes, sir.
	You would?
	Yes, sir.
	I do understand what you're doing.
	Do you think that if a woman smacks a guy that he should turn around and belts her across the mouth?
	Okay, so smacking and belting is not the same.
	But I do think that it's okay for me to belt him, right?
	There is a difference in strength between the average man and the average woman.
	That is not something that is disagreeable based on scientific evidence.
	I'm not going to argue with that.
	Now, I do think that, you know, if you are in this utopian society where you are treating everyone equally, then that would be a situation that would occur.
	Now, is that equality?
	No, because the man might be stronger than the woman.
	No, that's still equality.
	Listen, if weaker men attack stronger men, which happens all the time, nobody backs an eye if the stronger man beats up the weaker man.
	So how is it that you can logically say because women are weaker, they then deserve the privilege of being able to hit men without men hitting them back?
	If a woman's hitting him, hang on, hang on.
	If the woman's hitting him at full strength, for instance, and he hits her back at full strength, that would be equality.
	I mean, I don't conzone violence like that, domestic or romantic.
	I mean, that's nice.
	It has nothing to do with that.
	But I understand what you're saying.
	And I actually, you know, I do think that that would be, you know, considered equality in that sense.
	Now, do I think that it's okay to hit a woman?
	Do I think that you should go around smacking women?
	No.
	But, you know, if you're saying, okay, a woman is being aggressive towards a man and then a man is aggressive back, that would be considered equal.
	Is it equal?
	No.
	There is a difference in strength there.
	There's a difference in strength between every human being on planet Earth.
	That's true.
	So no matter what, there's always going to be somebody in the fight who's stronger than the other person.
	We don't say that you can't defend yourself because the other person is weaker.
	So, the thing is, is like, if you really want equality and you want to know what that entails, that entails that women have to get screamed at by their bosses, just like men do, and they can't complain about it, whine and cry about it.
	It means that they're going to have to deal with coarse jokes and things like this, just like men do, and they can't cry about it, and they can't whine about it.
	It means that they actually get treated like equals.
	It means that when women put their hands all over men and nobody bats an eyelash, like at a party or something like this, and nobody says that that's sexual battery, that men need to begin to say that it is, because that's what women say.
	So, the thing is, is like true equality, I don't even think that women want it.
	I don't believe you.
	I literally don't believe that women actually want it.
	I don't even think they know what it entails, what the entailment of it is.
	You don't have to believe me.
	I do think it's wrong for a woman to sexually harass a man, just as it's wrong for a man to sexually harass a woman, just as it's wrong for a man to hit a woman and a woman to hit a man.
	I don't believe that violence of any sorts is okay.
	I don't think that assaulting anyone is okay.
	I don't care what your gender is or what you believe, that it's not okay.
	You know, it's funny because I was planning on signing up for the military after college.
	That's not what I asked.
	You got to answer the question, though.
	Yes, yes.
	If that's equality, you're going to start, so I can expect you in protest soon demanding that women be drafted.
	I'm not the type of person to protest, but are you going to demand that men also have a say over abortion and that they're also saying what happens with abortion is a right that somebody should have?
	So, yes, I do think that if it's a male and a female's, you know, it's sperm and egg, right?
	That does give the man some sort of Christian, but believe in equality.
	That's a patristic phase, patriarchal.
	Okay.
	Well, there's no okay.
	I mean, I'm sorry, who's God the father or the mother?
	Is God the father or the mother?
	God, yes, God is father, right?
	Did Jesus Christ incarnate as a woman or a man?
	As a man, and he incarnated as a man, and are priests referred to as father, and are women allowed to be priests.
	So, that's that's a different strain.
	I do believe that women can be in a place of, you know, they can hold a place in a religion.
	So, that's what I think the clergy can represent the Christ head, even though the Christ had incarnated as a man.
	That makes sense to you.
	I think that God speaks through both men and women.
	Here, hold on, but just to move things along a little bit, can women be clergy?
	And what's your denomination?
	Which I'm non-denominational.
	I just follow the Bible.
	So, I don't think that that pertains to me.
	I'm not qualified enough to answer that question.
	That's not my denomination.
	Okay, well, I just ask you one quick one then.
	Go ahead.
	So, we have God the Father, we have Jesus Christ who was incarnate.
	Was there a can you point to me to a female apostle?
	What was her name?
	I mean, there were people that followed Jesus that were women.
	There's many signs of that in the Bible.
	What was the apostle's name?
	There was Mary.
	Mary.
	What?
	Esther.
	Yep.
	Esther.
	Yeah.
	Esther.
	Okay.
	Have you seen the chosen?
	There's plenty of women.
	You know, that's biblically accurate as well as they, you know, could do.
	So there are plenty of women referenced in the Bible that did follow Jesus, that did, you know, drop everything and follow him.
	And that's one of the things about Jesus is that he was fair to both men and women.
	You know, he allowed both to follow him.
	And that was something that really, really pissed off, you know, the Jewish rabbis was the fact that he did treat women well in comparison to what they were treated as.
	So.
	I mean, he allowed a woman who had had multiple husbands to follow him.
	So, and to give you some context, I wasn't raised Christian.
	He said, go and sin no more.
	Yes, yes, at the fountain, or at the well.
	Sorry.
	I also, I became Christian a year ago.
	I wasn't raised with Christianity.
	So, you know, I don't want to miss it.
	I just want to make sure I got this right, though, so we have it on record that you think that Mary and Esther were apostles.
	I'm not saying that they were apostles, right?
	There's the 12 apostles, which were men.
	I understand that, but I am saying they're followers of Christ.
	Okay?
	That was what I was saying.
	So, why that's not my, what was my question, though?
	I understand what your question was.
	You asked if there were any females that were apostles, and there were not.
	Apostles, yeah.
	But that does not mean that God does not speak to women or speak through women as well.
	And so, in Paul, when Paul says that women are not allowed to teach in church, he was just lying.
	There's a few things in the Bible that I'm still coming to grasp and that I don't fully understand.
	So, I cannot give you my best answer on that because, again, I've only been Christian for a year and it's something that I've been having to go through.
	You know, I've been reading the Bible, and so no, I can't answer your question with all honesty and with, you know, something backing that when I myself am.
	Why did you laugh when I said that Christianity was a patristic and patriarchal faith?
	I don't get that.
	You were like, you were like, you laughed at it.
	And I'm like, it's a patriarchal faith.
	It always has been.
	It's from the Father.
	It's the fact that Jesus was kind to both men and women.
	I'm not saying.
	I'm not talking about being kind.
	Patriarchs are very kind.
	What's wrong with them?
	Is I'm a patriarch, therefore I'm mean?
	Like, is that the entailment of patriarchy?
	Is that they're just like mean to women?
	He treated, okay.
	He treated women with respect, right?
	There were women who followed him that had a very vital role within his discipleship.
	And that's what I'm saying there.
	Now, I might not completely understand what you're asking me then, if you want to reclarify the question.
	Yeah.
	You ready?
	So in Christianity, men have the authority.
	Yeah?
	What if they're the apostles?
	They don't have the authority.
	Because God needed to lead them because they didn't have their own discernment.
	What's happening?
	When I read Corinthians, and I think Paul's in that, what I read is Matt is saying, don't marry, that you're better off on your own, is what I got out of it.
	But that maybe the men are the apostles because they need more help from God.
	Hold on, Andrew, before I have you address that, we didn't get an answer to his question.
	What was his question again?
	Well, he made this.
	Well, I don't know if it was.
	He made a statement that Christianity, it's patriarchal.
	Agree or disagree?
	Define patriarchal.
	Go ahead.
	From the Father.
	It is God is the Father.
	So yes, I would agree with you there.
	It's patriarchal.
	It's from the Father.
	From the Father, meaning the Father has the ultimate authority.
	I do.
	Jesus Christ, who is the ultimate authority, right?
	And so the Christ head, the teacher, the person who is leading your church, this person is a representation of Christ on earth.
	That's why you can't have a woman be a priest or a pastor or whatever it is that you consider clergy to be.
	So the thing is, is that ultimately the view of egalitarianism is not compatible with the view of Christianity.
	It can't be.
	Are you Christian?
	Are you a Christian?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so then, I mean, genuinely, like, from my heart, could you educate me on this topic then?
	Because like I said, we can't vlog the entire podcast with it.
	Now, then could you just give me a question?
	I'm definitely reach out and I can move you over to resources that can help you and assist you in this for sure because you've been sold a hell of a bill of goods.
	Can you give me just a summary of what you believe, you know, when it comes to the patriarchal structure?
	Super quick so that Brian can move the show on, right?
	Okay, thank you.
	Because we've been bogged down here.
	So very quickly, God, he's the Father, okay?
	And you believe in the Trinity, I take it.
	Father, Son, Holy Ghost, all that stuff, right?
	Okay, great.
	So Jesus Christ, he's one part of the Godhead.
	Well, not part, but he's one person of the Godhead.
	Then the Father, one person of the Godhead.
	When you, the worshiper, you're worshiping Jesus Christ, you are actually worshiping God, right?
	God, the representation of God on earth, in this case, Jesus Christ, the Christ head is the priest.
	In a marriage, this isn't literally, this is how it's stated in marriage.
	The husband is the representation of the Christhead and the woman, the body of Christ.
	The man has ultimate authority in the relationship.
	It has to be that way.
	That is under the divine authority, which Christians believe.
	That is the representation.
	So all of these are representations of what it is that Christians believe.
	Doesn't in the Bible it say that men and women are equally yoked?
	Yeah, but yeah, so they are, and they are fully yoked.
	So the thing is, is that just because a man is in authority and a woman is in the submitted position doesn't mean they're not fully yoked together.
	That's, I mean, that's just silly.
	Remember, we have 2,000 years of church history governing this.
	We know how marriages always worked.
	This idea of egalitarianism and equality is brand new.
	And the thing is, is that if it was true equality, you might have a point.
	But women don't demand real equality.
	They demand higher social status and that men have lower social status.
	And then they call that equality.
	And that to me is bizarre.
	And it has nothing to do with Christianity at all.
	All right.
	Well, moving on then.
	That was an interesting back and forth, spirited back and forth.
	All right.
	We have a chat from Lucas here.
	Lucas says, wife brought homemade traditional Greek cookies on our first date, which, by the way, was at Panera.
	Got to give her credit for elite level game to this day.
	I asked her if she would have given them to me if I sucked.
	All right.
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	So we do have, actually, you know what?
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	Meet the Kaiser.
	What's up, Brian?
	Glad to see you back.
	Andrew, good job on Piers.
	Good to see you too.
	Look at all these lovely Asian ladies tonight.
	We got Chinese, Japanese, and even Trapeze.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Have fun, everybody.
	Cheers.
	All right.
	Kaiser, W's in the chat for Kaiser.
	Thank you, man.
	Do appreciate it.
	Oh boy, this is going to be, okay, I'll let this one come in.
	It's a little bit of a microphone.
	Liver off toaster bath donated $200 bath.
	Question for the ladies.
	Answer honestly, please.
	Would you send 10 innocent men to prison for three years each if it prevented one guilty man from walking free?
	Who did a woman?
	Oh.
	What the?
	Oh, it's a, hold on, let me look at it here.
	Oh, it doesn't display emojis.
	It's a grape emoji.
	So.
	So, okay, would you send 10 innocent men to prison for three years each if it prevented one guilty man from one guilty man from walking free who graped a woman?
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll do this one quick then.
	Starting with you, Michaela.
	No, I wouldn't send innocent people.
	Okay.
	No, it's not their crime.
	no no no no no can i have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table All right.
	And you might.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Where did we go?
	We said no.
	We all said no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Very reasonable.
	All right.
	That's great.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	Why don't we start with, hmm, who do we start with?
	We'll start with, it's Mai Lin, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You said you haven't dated much.
	And then, let's see.
	You've been single for seven months.
	When you say you haven't dated much, what do you mean?
	Every time I try to date, I end up in a relationship.
	Oh, okay.
	How many dates?
	How many different guys have you dated, I guess?
	Like, definitely less than 10.
	Okay.
	I've been in like a relationship since I was like 19 with like a month or two of being single.
	So this is like your longest?
	Wow.
	Like I'm always in a relationship.
	I don't know why.
	Okay.
	But you've been single for seven months, so this is like a pretty long break.
	Yeah, this is the longest.
	All right.
	And you said that you're not so enthusiastic about dating because of past disappointments.
	You said, to be specific, you feel like you tend to be the caregiver or you end up with guys who use you.
	When you say use you, use you how?
	They're like broke and then I pay for a lot of stuff.
	And then I also like cook and clean for them and then buy their clothes and yeah, stuff like that.
	I have a question for you.
	Do you think that the fact that you've run into that in multiple relationships says something about who you are?
	Definitely.
	I think it's also cultural because I was raised like in a very strict Japanese household just by my dad.
	And so my sister and I took on a lot of like the more traditional female roles.
	And so in my adult life, I kind of it carried on.
	And I think it doesn't translate that well in American culture.
	So pretty much you, it sounds to me like you're taking on the masculine role, correct?
	I think so, yeah.
	Okay.
	Maybe both.
	Wait, when you say doesn't translate well, what do you mean?
	Well, because what doesn't translate well?
	See, like in the Japanese culture, like the women are a lot more traditional and they're a lot more docile.
	And it's like a culture.
	I think most Asian cultures where you're not supposed to, like, it's a sin to embarrass your family.
	And it's like, it's a culture where you serve.
	And I lived in also in China and like in Thailand, and it's pretty much like that everywhere I've been to.
	Surf or serve?
	Serve.
	Serve.
	I surf too, though.
	Yeah, but I'm not sure.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And so what would that look like?
	So my previous relationship, so I would do the cooking.
	Well, I was also a chef, so I was cooking, doing a lot of the cleaning.
	You know, I remember like one of the last arguments we had was, I didn't butter his toast.
	How dare you?
	And I just said, I'm sorry.
	I was busy.
	I'm sorry.
	I usually leave the house before him because I work a lot and I have to leave at six.
	Did he scold you?
	Yeah, I mean, he made like a joke, but it's kind of like, I kind of do a lot of stuff and now you're like, sorry, I forgot to put down your toast.
	Did he then butter the toast, though?
	What?
	Did you butter the butter the toast?
	I think I like handed him the butter and I was like, you could do it yourself today.
	Oh, man.
	It sounds to me, he's a lucky guy.
	Really, he is.
	Did you say that you were starting to take over the financial side of things as well, too?
	Yeah, I also helped him financially.
	So you're saying that you were so traditional, but then at the same point, at the same time, like it sounds like you have a previous history of dating just weak men in general that have no okay.
	I tried something different.
	It doesn't sound like they're worthy of that behavior.
	True.
	Okay, so in the past, I have like a history of dating like first responders and like military.
	And so, and that didn't work out.
	So I met this guy and I, he was very different.
	So I gave it a shot.
	You know, I thought maybe I should try something different.
	And yeah, I don't, I don't want to take on those roles.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	So you have, you have been in a relationship where you were finding yourself to be like the financial supporter almost.
	But in most of your relationships, it sounds like you were the traditional woman.
	Yeah.
	Very interesting.
	And have you been in multiple relationships where the guy was weaker and you found yourself almost having to take on the masculine role?
	So prior to this guy, so I just moved back to the States four years ago.
	And when I started dating here in the U.S., or maybe it's like LA, I've noticed that there was a lot more men like that versus like when I was dating abroad.
	Interesting.
	I wonder what's different about California.
	I'll just go out and say it.
	I really think that there's a huge problem.
	I mean, a little bit more in democratic states, but I think America is just full of men that are incredibly weak.
	And I talk to a lot of women who say that they find themselves in similar situations to that, and they can't even fulfill the traditional role because the man is almost fully reliant on them to the point where they're becoming masculine and they're fulfilling the masculine duties to a point where the woman can't be fully feminine.
	I think that's absolutely ridiculous.
	I think when men are not in their masculine, us as women will have to overcompensate for the lack of.
	Interesting.
	And did you, with the guys that you've run into this problem with, have you noticed that they tend to lean a certain way politically?
	Yes.
	So do they tend to lean left?
	Yes.
	Very interesting.
	All right.
	So men that are lacking on the masculine side of things tend to lean left.
	And then you find yourself going above and beyond.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	And are you looking for like a long-term relationship?
	Are you trying to get married?
	Yeah, I'm trying to get married and have kids.
	I'm 33.
	My eggs are dying.
	Okay, there you go.
	I should have buttered that fucking toast.
	Wait, but didn't you say you dated like first responders?
	Like you said, you dated EMS, military guys.
	Were those guys a bit more on the conservative side?
	They tend to be.
	Then she came to California.
	There's conservative.
	There's conservative.
	Where are you?
	I live near Santa Monica.
	Like Orange County is pretty conservative.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Okay.
	And let's see here.
	You also said that you think you might be too generous or too nice.
	Is that, yeah?
	I think it's, again, cultural.
	I feel like the way I was raised, it's like to please others.
	I don't know.
	Do you feel that?
	Like an Asian culture?
	It's like you're like born to serve others.
	And then if you're in a society where everyone's serving others, it makes sense.
	But when you're in a society where like most people don't view life in that way, it makes it feels like we're getting taken advantage of.
	Do you think that's a good idea?
	100%.
	Yeah.
	In America, you're really encouraged to go out on your own and do your own thing and do things for yourself.
	So wait, you also grew up in a similar culture?
	First generation.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Very interesting.
	Okay.
	And what do they think of your work?
	Oh, I'd already talked to them.
	They don't talk.
	Do they not know about it?
	I'm pretty sure they know about it, but I don't talk to them.
	Oh, you don't talk to them anymore?
	You guys have it falling out?
	Yeah.
	Very interesting.
	Okay.
	But so going back to this, you said you think you might be too generous or too nice.
	My personal position on this, I don't think there's such a thing as too generous or too nice or too submissive.
	Like, I'm never going to look at a beautiful woman who does everything that I want and go, you know what?
	You do too much of what I say, what I want.
	I'm going to wish.
	I wish you would just fight with me a lot.
	Yeah, I'm going to go break up with you.
	I'm going to break up with you and go get some disagreeable chick.
	No.
	No.
	Sidoni.
	I mean, I can definitely see how in certain situations when women feel maybe like they don't feel like they're appreciated for what they do or like the guy isn't holding up his end of the deal.
	Like in your case, so like you're you said you were more too generous, too nice, maybe submissive, whatever it is.
	But like you were kind of when it came to the finances, it sounded like in some of these relationships you were providing.
	And I don't know what these guys were up to in terms of what they were bringing, if you guys were living together, like would you split the bills and stuff with these guys or did you live with any of them?
	I did.
	We would split the rent, but that's pretty much it.
	Don't let American society corrupt you on that.
	If you find the right man that's worthy of that, you have to be ready to go all in.
	Because if you spend too much time single, you're going to get corrupted and you're not going to be able to fully put out when that person does come in front of you.
	What makes you think that they're worthy of that man?
	What makes me think that they're worthy?
	Yeah.
	That they're worthy of the man.
	Well, I mean, ultimately.
	This happens all the time, right?
	Yeah.
	People are like, you find a man who's worthy.
	When this happens, it's like, why is that even presupposed?
	Like, maybe you're just fucking awful.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, there's this other possibility, and women often just will not look at this possibility.
	Like, maybe these men, many of them are perfectly fine, and you're just fucking awful.
	Like, that could also be a possibility, right?
	You're not saying that about my life.
	I think are you saying that in general?
	In general, right?
	I mean, it could just be you too, right?
	Wait, what?
	Did you say?
	Sorry, did you ask me?
	I mean, it could, but I. Maybe you suck.
	Maybe you turn it off.
	Maybe I suck.
	But I don't.
	I mean, he's just mad because you didn't butter this.
	There was the butter incident.
	Like, he's that.
	There was the butter incident.
	It was alarming.
	Drop the ball on that.
	I just looked at your TikTok.
	You said something about lesbian energy.
	What's that about?
	People think you're a lesbian.
	People think I'm a lesbian all the time.
	You have broad shoulders.
	I mean, I worked in the circus and I like run ultra marathons.
	I'm just really active.
	What do you mean?
	She's fit, man.
	Look at her.
	That doesn't mean she's a lesbian.
	That doesn't mean she's a lesbian.
	You don't have tattoos.
	I don't experiment with that.
	Well, no, I know, but I don't know.
	The tattoos is a big thing for me as well.
	I think that the tattoos in general, I mean, they're great.
	I'm a big fan of tattoos, but at the same time, I feel like the double Japanese, is it called Japanese traditional sleeves?
	I mean, I don't completely disagree with that.
	Prior to the tattoos, like, yeah, I get like, I don't know, get hit on by lesbians.
	Very interesting.
	I mean, I've asked some people before, and they said it's because I'm like, like level-headed.
	I don't know.
	Or like calm or not, like, neurotic.
	I feel like that's lesbian traits.
	Is it?
	I don't know.
	I'm just relaying what I've heard.
	Very interesting.
	That's cool.
	Okay.
	I get hit on by lesbians too.
	It's really weird.
	Like, I don't know if they think I'm like a chick or it's fucked up, man.
	Bitch, you a lesbian, me.
	Or I'm, I'm.
	You're the butch.
	I, you know, maybe I turn them.
	I'm just Brian's just that good.
	I'm turning them.
	He's that good.
	I'm that good.
	I'm that good.
	All right, here.
	We have a super chat.
	I'll get this pulled up here real quick.
	Living says, never gotten an answer to my question last year.
	If a woman is going down on another woman, what?
	How big does the clit have to be before it becomes straight?
	Listen, man, this is part of, you know, big labia matter pertains to labias, but listen, we also do some like side side gigs when it comes to like large clits.
	A woman can still have a large clit, and it's doesn't matter how big the clit is, it's always straight.
	I think I can.
	As long as she's female.
	Really?
	Okay, I can speak to this a little bit as a bodybuilder because when females, so female bodybuilding is huge.
	And I am honestly, I'm not a fan of female bodybuilding because it involves females taking androgenic steroids, which basically turns them into men.
	And yes, their clit tends to get bigger.
	I really think that if you are, I don't think women should be taking anabolic steroids, androgenic steroids at all.
	I think it decreases their femininity, and that's something that's positive.
	That's something they have going for them.
	What are your thoughts on this?
	Because you're also a bodybuilder, aren't you?
	You said that before the show.
	Are you a natural bodybuilder like me?
	I've taken a little bit of Anivar.
	Okay, you're a Varby.
	Like five milligrams.
	She's a Varbi.
	Like the smallest amount of school.
	You sort of have like one cycle or whatever?
	Yeah, like 12 weeks.
	But it's literally just to the small amount of Anivar is just to retain your muscle mass while you're in.
	The question's coming.
	Did the clit get bigger?
	No, it's literally just Anivar, like a five milliliter.
	Yeah, I don't think that would be good.
	I mean, her voice is still feminine.
	Yeah, it's just like to make you, your muscles look harder and so you can drive.
	But you wouldn't go further down that road.
	No, I do agree that I think that's.
	Okay, so when you look at female bodybuilders, oh wow, I'm going to get flamed for that.
	But I like when you look at female bodybuilders, do you get grossed out as well?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because I get flamed for talking about that, but I think it is genuinely, I think it's disgusting.
	I think female bodybuilding.
	Besides, you know, there is a new division that they're coming out with.
	Wait, so you think even bikini?
	I think, well, so there's, to an extent, I think bikini is the best female bodybuilding division.
	But as soon as you go start going further than that.
	Because that's the smallest and this most feminine.
	Yeah, now there's a new one.
	The fit model.
	Yeah, now there's a new one.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	We have one other chat here that just, yo, Kaibaka, thank you for gifting.
	Looks like 20 subs.
	It's not letting me display it, but thank you for the gifted 20 subs, Kaibaka.
	I really appreciate it, man.
	W's in the chat for Kaibaka.
	Thank you.
	And then we have this one.
	Oh, the cord, the cord.
	Scott.
	Good save.
	Good save.
	Well done.
	Oh, did that not pop?
	Let me see if it pops.
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	Appreciate you guys watching over there.
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	Appreciate it.
	All right, let's get back to the show notes here.
	And then, Mylan, you said, I don't know what the I don't know what the statistics are on how many single people there are or the decline of dating, but you have a theory that we are not as mature as our older generations and have it very easy, almost like we're too spoiled and don't understand or haven't experienced real hardships to know what we value.
	Yeah.
	Anything else you want to add to that?
	Or pretty much speaks for itself.
	Yeah, pretty much speaks for itself.
	Rock and roll.
	That's great.
	All right, we're going to get to Ebony over here.
	Ebony, you are quite the provocateur.
	Ebony, you said you went on a date with a guy and he took you on a $10,000 shopping spree at some mall in Miami.
	Is that the most a guy's ever spent on you?
	Yeah.
	Wait, were you wearing those glasses before?
	Or did you just get them?
	The whole time?
	I just get them.
	I just got them.
	Oh, you just got them?
	Oh, it's too much flare.
	I need to take them.
	I noticed that.
	Oh, for real?
	Yeah, too much flare.
	We need to see the eyes.
	The eyes are the something, something soul.
	I don't know.
	What did this guy do for work?
	He was retired.
	He used to be a lawyer.
	He used to do a bunch of jobs, but he also used to invest in stuff.
	All right.
	So is that the most a guy spent on you?
	Yeah, basically.
	He was into Fendom, because I do that too.
	And so I am like a dominatrix.
	And so yeah, it was really interesting.
	Okay, so you said that women should prioritize finances in a man.
	Yes.
	Over what do you think women tend to prioritize?
	Like love.
	Typically.
	Love.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So finances first.
	You also say here, women don't need men.
	Do you want to elaborate a bit on that?
	I don't think that women, like a lot of people think that women need men in like society to maintain society, and I don't think so.
	I think women would be perfectly fine.
	I think women would do better off without men.
	I agree too.
	How about without women?
	Well, so let me ask you a couple clarifying.
	Hold on, let me ask a couple clarifying questions here.
	What about this scenario?
	If men just instantly disappeared or women instantly disappeared, because your position is men would fare worse than the women.
	So in that scenario where it's not like, oh, okay, men are going to disappear in like a year, but it's like men disappear tonight and there's no ability for the women to prepare.
	You think the women fare better?
	Definitely.
	Why?
	Because I think, first of all, I think men's society would kind of, it would go stagnant.
	I think the reason why men have done as much as they've done so far is for women and because of women.
	And so women, on the other hand, are quite motivated outside of men.
	Older women who are, you know, divorced and don't plan on getting in relationships anymore still maintain their lifestyle.
	They still keep their places clean.
	They still, you know, like, they still maintain.
	Here, a couple more questions.
	Who here agrees with her on this?
	Just curious.
	Anybody agree?
	So instantaneously, all men disappear or instantaneously all women disappear.
	Her position is men would fare worse in that scenario than women.
	Who agrees with her?
	There's actually, there was like a study on that with kids.
	I know, I still think that men and women like should be.
	Do you remember what the study was called by chance?
	I don't.
	I saw it.
	But it was like elementary schoolers, or maybe it was middle schoolers, but they were in like a house for a couple days, just girls and then versus guys.
	And the girls actually did a lot better than just the boys.
	And that is.
	What was the age of the children?
	I'm pretty sure they were in middle school.
	Okay.
	I don't see how that pertains to this.
	Does anybody else agree with her?
	Go on once. Go on. Cheers.
	Who?
	You agree?
	Yeah.
	And you agree.
	Okay.
	And then you mentioned that women, they keep their houses in good shape, right?
	But what happens in this scenario when within 72 hours, there's no electricity.
	There's no food.
	The water stops working.
	There's fires that break out and you don't have male firefighters to put these fires out.
	So let's assume like a woman loses her residence.
	What then?
	Women know how to collect food.
	I mean, back when we were hunter-gatherers, the gatherers, being women, would have been a collection of colleagues.
	Do you think the average urban woman knows how to collect food in the forest?
	Yeah, that's what women used to do.
	They used to do, but that was taught.
	It's not like you can't just drop somebody who's lived in civilization their entire life into the forest.
	Like, do you think an average?
	I don't think the average man.
	No, because even then there's a strength discrepancy.
	So you take like a man who's grown up in an urban environment and a woman who's grown up in an urban environment.
	They both have like very little knowledge just on the basis that men have more strength, generally speaking.
	The man's already at an advantage.
	In what way?
	Like what is that?
	You don't think early human beings relied on like strength and labor to move?
	Like, okay, I want to chop down a tree.
	I need to chop up this firewood.
	I need to move these materials to this position.
	I think women could work as a team, like community.
	Well, in this scenario, I'm thinking like one-on-one, but even then, two women don't possess the same strength as two men, or three women don't possess the same strength as three men.
	Right, but I don't think you need to have like some incredible degree of strength.
	I think that as long as you have a community, you have a tribe, you'd be fine.
	It doesn't really matter what level of strength there is.
	I think women have enough strength to survive on their own.
	What was the question?
	Would you be interested in a real social experiment then?
	Let's say you get 12 of your girlfriends who have even survival skills.
	Let's just say they have survival skills.
	I don't think I have 12.
	We'll collect 12 men who have survival skills.
	Or we can collect 12 who don't to 12 women and then give them just a knife apiece and send them off into the wilderness.
	I mean, they already do this.
	Do you watch Naked and Afraid?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they already know.
	How did the women do?
	They actually did do this.
	So in the middle of the day.
	How did the women do women survive just fine by themselves?
	No, no.
	They went over to the men during the exact same social experiment I'm talking about, which didn't include 12-year-olds, okay, when they were fully grown adults.
	And here's what happened.
	They did.
	They were freezing, and they went over and begged the men to help them.
	And the men finally did.
	And I see no reason why that would not be the game.
	By the way, these were all ages of men, all ages of women, and they failed miserably.
	Miserably.
	I've seen episodes where the women have hunted and caught like large kills.
	And I mean, and the women, multiple seasons.
	I'm not disputing that women can't do in groups and teams.
	I mean, women are not stupid.
	I'm sure that they can hunt, but it's the degree to which you're effective at the thing that matters.
	So when Brian says strength, I don't even think that you realize what he's saying.
	When you're talking about all the labor jobs, which keep society going, that requires a great degree of physical strength.
	And physical strength is multiplied by multiple men.
	Oh, you don't think so?
	You think it's just done by machines?
	The nice thing about the machine is machines.
	And machines take a great amount of physical strength to use.
	You have a gal here who said she was in maintenance.
	Yeah.
	She'll tell you, if you want to pick up a 400-pound machine motor, it's really heavy.
	Just so you know, it's not an easy feat.
	So I don't know where you get the idea that raw strength is not still the staple of human labor because it still is.
	We have labor-saving devices, but strength is very much key in labor.
	Sure, but you know.
	Also, just you do acknowledge that there's discrepancies in terms of representation when it comes to critical infrastructure jobs, right?
	Sure, yeah.
	So like, for example, like water, I've got a list here.
	Water, sewage, electricity, gas, fuel refinement, garbage collection, telecommunications, IT infrastructure, road maintenance, truck and delivery drivers, police, fire rescue.
	These are predominated by men.
	Do you agree with this?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's just factually true.
	So if all men disappear instantly, there's not enough women in these fields to essentially, there's not enough women in the fields where if they just disappeared immediately, it would just be complete, it would be a complete catastrophe.
	And I mean, you'd have electricity gone within 72 hours, telecommunications gone within 72 hours.
	Women are not in those fields when like there's a snowstorm or a hurricane and the power's out and it's below freezing in Bozeman, Montana, and they got to fix the power lines or they got to fix something.
	They got to check the grid at 1 a.m. and it's snowing and hailing outside.
	Is it the woman who goes or it's a man?
	It's always a man.
	Okay, so what happened during World War II when men had to go to war and women had to take over the jobs?
	Women had, first of all, not all men went to World War II.
	Right.
	Women stepped up to some degree, but they also had plenty of time to prepare for it.
	In the scenario I provided, men disappeared instantly.
	So in that scenario, women would not be able to like, oh, okay, we're just going to take over the water, the sewage, the telecons.
	There wouldn't be enough women who have the knowledge base or even necessarily the physical capacity to even do some of these jobs, even if they did have the knowledge base.
	I think they would.
	I mean, we still have the internet.
	Women are dominating education.
	The internet would be down within 72 hours.
	Why?
	Do you realize how often there needs to be?
	Because you seeing the internet runs on electricity.
	And if there's no more electrical work.
	There's no female electricity.
	An overwhelming amount of them are men.
	I'm talking vast.
	I think it's like 98%.
	In fact, I think 100% of linemen, last I checked, linemen, those are the people who put up your power poles.
	I think they're all men.
	Right, maybe at the decimal point, that wasn't men.
	Right, maybe you're right.
	Maybe it would go out.
	There wouldn't be enough women to sustain, you know, like, but I think over time, women would evolve and it would, we would get it.
	Like.
	Well, you have one generation because without men, you're basically going to go extinct.
	And unless, of course, you decide that you're going to use frozen male sperm and then only keep the women, but you're going to run out eventually.
	So then I guess you would have to have men so that men could then re-inseminate you at some point.
	And then the second you have men to do that, you have the problem of they're really fucking strong and may decide that you get to go in the cages.
	So I don't really know.
	I don't really know like how this is, you know, even feasible from the female standpoint.
	If all men disappear tomorrow, it seems to me like this would be dire and catastrophic for women.
	Not exactly sure how it would be for men.
	We don't need it anyway.
	The stuff you're talking about.
	Right.
	I mean, we've survived as societies without electricity.
	You do really, okay, you do really.
	Your body was conditioned for this.
	So you're talking about conditions.
	So if you live in a world, like if you go to the third world, for instance, have you ever seen what's called the third world squat?
	That now, if you just took that normal squat sitting position that almost everybody sits in in the third world all day long, your calves would be killing you within about 20 minutes and you'd have to get back up because most people don't sit like this, right?
	We sit on chairs, which is actually bad for our back.
	They're actually conditioned for this movement because they were raised in an environment for the movement.
	The soles of their feet are conditioned to not have shoes.
	They were raised in an environment for that.
	Everything about them is conditioned for the environment that they're in.
	That is not the case anymore.
	You're not conditioned to go out in the forest and find fucking berries, okay?
	Nobody's going to, women are not, modern women are not conditioned to do that.
	Neither are modern men.
	Modern men mostly skills each other.
	Modern men keep up forestry.
	Modern men keep up physical conditioning for outdoor jobs and outdoor work and outdoor foraging and hunting and things like that.
	Women do not?
	And there are women who do these jobs too.
	Very few.
	So I live in Bozeman, Montana, and I can tell you that if men disappeared, you know, some people will say, you know, we don't need these amenities to survive.
	There's a large surplus of the population that lives in a climate where if these things disappear, millions and millions of people would just die.
	So, like Brian said, if they had time to prepare, if females have time to prepare, they can obviously make that happen.
	But I think to say that if men just disappeared, women would be fine.
	We're already prepared, though.
	Like, we already have education.
	We already have food in grocery stores.
	We would have time.
	But hold on.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	One thing, one thing.
	So, right.
	But like, if all men disappeared, how quickly are you going to the grocery store and looting everything?
	Right?
	How quick until all that food's gone?
	And then, one, you're going to have bands of women who are just maybe collectively get together.
	They're going to take everything.
	And then, and you don't have police.
	So if there's women who are inclined to violence, there's nobody who's going to be able to enforce any of the laws.
	And then, secondly, hold on, hold on.
	Once that food is gone, who's going to, where's the farmers who are going to cultivate it?
	90% of drivers, truck drivers are men.
	I don't know if that's the exact number.
	The majority of truck drivers are men.
	Transport.
	How do they get to the grocery store?
	How do they get to Trader Joe's?
	I mean, again, so we wouldn't have as much of a population to sustain because half of the population would be gone, right?
	And then also, I think women are just, you know, I think women are quite civilized.
	I don't think we are just going to go and start looting things and like, whoa, wait, wait, hold on.
	Do you realize how, okay, society is like, what did they say?
	Like six meals away from pure chaos?
	Like, once people are hungry, once they're thirsty, you think women aren't going to start killing each other?
	Really?
	I mean, we would still maintain society initially, like money and, I mean, women work in grocery stores and stuff.
	Like, we're not just going to go immediately go stealing things and stuff like that.
	I don't think that's what we're doing.
	I think that's exactly what I'm saying.
	People are going to loot immediately.
	Just because there's no men?
	You got Jeffrey Dahmer.
	No, it's like a Thanos thing.
	They disappear.
	You can't.
	For the sake of your own survival, you wouldn't just go immediately, like, looting the grocery store.
	No, because there would be other women with weapons.
	Listen, I'm going to give you credit where credit is due.
	We can just take a look at the top 10 female jobs, and we know you're right.
	Human resource managers, they're going to be really good.
	Dental hygienists, can't wait for them.
	Nurse practitioners, physical therapists, physician assistants, veterinarians, child care workers, healthcare administrators, marketing managers, medical scientists.
	This means you're part of a research crew.
	Guess what's not there?
	You'll never guess.
	Construction worker, lineman, you know, any type of mechanical engineer, any type of labor whatsoever.
	Women tend to gravitate towards child care and nursing and administrative jobs and clerical work.
	They don't gravitate towards any of the jobs that you're talking about.
	So how useful do you think human resource managers are going to be in the female apocalypse exactly?
	I will teach you how to sail and we can just sail away.
	How many people survive off of fit?
	Comfortably, like with a bed or like they're on the floor.
	But who's going to farm the food that you bring with them?
	Hold on.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	Pull it up, Damien.
	I have a spear gun, so you can.
	Bigger.
	Bigger, bigger, bigger.
	Cut that off.
	All right.
	So, this is the top 20 most dangerous use occupations and the percentage of males.
	So, logging workers, 94% male, fishing workers, 99% male, aircraft pilots, roofers, truck drivers is 94% male.
	Iron and steel workers, 98% male, farmers and ranchers, 70%, so for the food, 75%, agriculture workers, 79%.
	Mining, landscaping, construction workers, 97%.
	Move us to the other side.
	Cement and concrete manufacturing.
	That's not super important, but the electrical, well, for the apocalypse scenario, smaller.
	I need to just hide us.
	Just hide us totally.
	Just hide us totally.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Electrical power line workers, 99%.
	Police officers, 85%.
	Maintenance repair workers, 97%.
	And those are pertaining to the apocalypse scenario.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	But could they do that, Brian, without their human resource managers?
	Really?
	Could they?
	I mean, at the end of the day, I feel like women don't really occupy those jobs because of the patriarch and because of gender stereotypes that we have in society.
	Like, I feel like if men disappeared, like, women wouldn't really be catering their life to, like, oh, I want a family.
	No, we can, here, we can prove this.
	Pull up the Discord.
	Go to like the Men at Work tab.
	We have some videos here that we can show you.
	You got it?
	Of what?
	Men at Work tab.
	Patriarchy is preventing you from being a logger.
	Yes.
	Put on the Windows Windows tab.
	I mean, aren't women video back.
	By who?
	Show us.
	By the people who hire.
	Right, bitch.
	Due to sexism.
	That works.
	Due to the fact that they're strong enough to do logging.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, I'm not necessarily scroll up all the way up all the way to the top.
	And the Burs Kleifa stuff.
	That's what it really is.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	The first line worker one.
	Play that one.
	So this is a guy doing some work on the line in snowing.
	And it looks like, I don't know, that's a cut, what, 100 feet plus?
	I don't know.
	Is it the patriarchy that's preventing women from doing this job?
	Honestly, that looks so much fun.
	They're not a person to do that job.
	Or they're not a man.
	What are you talking about?
	No man would let a woman take on that job.
	Because we're sexist or because we're chivalrous.
	Nothing is preventing women from doing this job.
	They just don't want to do it.
	I will say there are X out of it.
	There are a lot of women.
	Here, play that the North Sea compilation.
	Women don't want to do those jobs.
	The top one?
	I would totally do that.
	Totally.
	Okay, if you would totally do it, go do it.
	Go do it.
	I'll give you $1,000 if you do this shit for a month.
	For the lineman's school.
	Wait, for the fishermen?
	Because I will totally do that.
	No, do this.
	The North Sea?
	Yes, do this.
	You go do it for three months.
	Go on and oil.
	It takes like three years to be able to do that because the metal workers, that's an extremely short.
	Oh, okay.
	Total cop-out.
	Just go ask if there's a job.
	Go ask.
	Yeah, it is a cop-out.
	Go ask if there's a job.
	My job is male-dominated.
	Stop, stop.
	Go ask if there's a job on an oil rig for you to take.
	Go do it.
	Exile that.
	Sailing is male-dominated, and the skills come in.
	And it is also male-dominated.
	That doesn't stop.
	You're from doing them.
	Right.
	That's also male-dominated.
	That doesn't stop on the manhole.
	Did the patriarchy prevent you from being a sailor?
	No, women don't want to do this.
	Women don't want to work with men.
	There's nothing preventing.
	There's nothing preventing a woman from doing this job.
	Women don't want to work with men.
	Women don't want to be sexually harassed at work and made fun of or treated like electrons.
	They're shifting goalposts.
	It's not.
	There's multiple reasons why women don't take the jobs.
	Oh, the women, the patriarchy is a lot of people.
	Yeah, the patriarchy has to do with that.
	And that's it.
	We've shown them.
	May I speak on this just for a second?
	So, being somebody who has a lot of male-dominated skills, right?
	Like, I've started spearfishing about two years ago.
	That's something that's definitely male-dominated.
	Like, fishing in general is male-dominated.
	Now, that's more of like a hobby than like a job.
	I don't do these for my jobs.
	But, you know, you can, if you are in a scenario of, oh, like, you know, can a woman do these things?
	She can do these things.
	Is it a majority of women?
	No, and I'm not going to argue that.
	That's a stupid point compared to the you literally have that the data right there.
	But when you hold on, no, no, no.
	When you say fishing, do you mean you throw out a line and you reel the fish?
	Do you know how physically laborious commercial fishing is?
	No, no, I do.
	I do.
	I have a lot of friends who are fishermen because they're in the okay.
	But were you stopped by men?
	No, I never said I was.
	What I'm saying is that, like, if you want to do these things as a woman, you can.
	Like, there might be a strength barrier that you'd have to go.
	We're talking about a survival situation.
	In a survival situation, I would be fine personally.
	Because, again, I live on a boat.
	I own my own boat.
	It's able to get power from my engine, which I've learned how to fix.
	I have solar, which supplements the battery for that, which I release power.
	Fuel, that's fair, honestly.
	How am I going to get fuel?
	I have a sailboat, so I can sail if I run out of fuel.
	You know, I've got plenty of canned goods.
	I've got a spear gun.
	I know how to spearfish.
	I can go underwater for it.
	I can fish above water too.
	I can get my meat there.
	I've learned how to fish like that, how to literally fillet the fish, how to eat that way.
	Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.
	I'm sorry.
	I have to cut you off here.
	Going back to the original conversation.
	I wasn't here.
	Huh?
	I wasn't here for the beginning of that, so I don't know how this started.
	She made the claim that women would do better in a film.
	I'm not arguing that.
	I don't know.
	You got to let me finish before you keep interrupting.
	Okay.
	So she made the claim that women would fare better in a situation where all men disappeared.
	And we're presenting evidence to the contrary.
	My position here is not: would some women on the individual level would they be able to survive?
	Women can have survival skills.
	They can have all the skills you listed.
	I don't doubt that you have any of them.
	Congratulations.
	We're talking about like the macro level, like societal level catastrophe that would occur in a situation where all men or all women disappeared.
	And because of men's over-representation in critical infrastructure fields, my position is: it would be absolute chaos in the event if all men disappeared.
	Whereas if all women disappeared, that would be terrible.
	It'd be the end of the human species.
	But all the critical infrastructure, we would keep that going and we would have a much higher standard of living if all women were to disappear than the reverse.
	Yeah, I do think it would kind of be like Lord of the Flies, but I do agree with you where most men would just be, you know, living in a shoebox once women disappears.
	What's the motivation?
	What's the reasoning anymore?
	Wait, but don't you think it's a little bit hypocritical to say that women aren't, or women don't get into jobs like that, like being a lineman and working on oil rigs because they're scared that they're going to be sexually harassed by men like when you do OnlyFans?
	How would that be contradicting?
	Well, because you're saying that you're basically saying that women aren't trying to be sexually harassed when aren't OnlyFans models.
	Isn't that essentially what you're putting yourself out there?
	Even if you're not trying to get sexually harassed, isn't that the job where you are going to get sexually harassed the most?
	I mean, I haven't been sexually harassed.
	I don't necessarily think you would be sexually.
	So you really think that men sexually, or women's fear of getting sexually harassed by men is what keeps them out of jobs like that?
	Yeah, like women just don't want to be in working jobs with men where they would feel like a lesser person.
	They would be underestimated.
	But in this case, in those jobs, like they are weaker, so they would be necessarily lesser, correct?
	I agree with that.
	I agree with what you're saying.
	I don't think it's about sexual harassment.
	I think it is about strength and also just like who is funneled into the point.
	If that's the case, if that's the argument, why wouldn't women just start their own firms and compete with these male firms and with all women who, if you really have women who really want to do these jobs, then if a woman started this firm, they should have a limitless amount and could compete very easily by even offering slightly lower wages than the male competitors.
	These women are desperate to get in to these jobs because they don't want to be sexually harassed by these men.
	You could have an all-female firm.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that what, like, I think that's what turns women away from working these kinds of jobs.
	But I think, like, again, gender stereotypes and gender roles in society plays a huge part in this.
	Like, generally, with, you know, historically, what we've told women.
	Wait, wait, wait, one argument at a time.
	Before you're, you've been like a tube of toothpaste.
	We squeeze here and you just move there.
	I squeeze there.
	You move here.
	So back on this argument, we'll stay with it.
	Can you answer why it is that if it is the case that you believe that there's just tons of women who want to do these jobs, just excluded due to the fact that I don't think there is.
	Hey, let me finish the question that they're excluded because they think they're going to be sexually harassed.
	Why wouldn't they just start female firms and then make a killing paying them slightly less than the competitor?
	Yeah, because I don't think women do want to do those jobs.
	Well, then why did you earlier say that the reason that there's a barrier for entry into these jobs, and I have witnesses here who can confirm this, one smiling because he clearly heard the same thing I did, that you said the barrier for entrance is that they did not want to be sexually harassed by the evil men.
	Because that would be the reason why a lot of women would be deterred from those jobs or wouldn't get into those jobs in the first place.
	Madam, you just got to do that.
	But I don't necessarily think there's a large large group of women who want to do these jobs.
	I just think that maybe there would be women who would do them, but they just wouldn't do them because it's male-dominated.
	How about we hear some of the more saying that women gravitate naturally towards jobs that aren't like these, but somehow in a post-apocalyptic world where there's tons of women who don't gravitate towards these jobs, they're going to do better than men.
	Can you explain logically how that works?
	Can we hear from a woman who's actually in the field with a woman?
	I would like to finish real quick.
	Okay, but she's got...
	I know, I know, and we can get to her in just a second.
	I'd like to finish the line of inquiry here.
	So back to this, can you explain to me logically, just break it down very quickly, how it could possibly be that if you now agree that women just don't gravitate towards these jobs, you would have to necessarily agree that they don't want to do them.
	They don't have interest in them.
	So how is it that they would fare better, but in a post-apocalyptic non-male world exactly?
	Because, like, there would be no men.
	They wouldn't be scared to enter these jobs due to...
	But wait, I thought you just said they didn't want to do these jobs.
	It wasn't a matter of time.
	Yeah, but there would be a need for it now.
	They don't want to do it because most women think, oh, like I want a family or whatever, and I want to be seen as a feminine woman.
	But, you know, like they want to be feminine and do all these traditionally feminine things.
	If there were no men around.
	There's no barrier for anything.
	It's like a mixture of both.
	And we have a cultural problem.
	It's a mixture of both.
	It's a mixture of both now.
	So then you do agree that most women just don't want to do these jobs.
	Yeah.
	So then how would they fare better when they don't even gravitate with an interest towards these types of things than men who do clearly have an interest in these things?
	Like, aren't you going to be better at your work if you're interested in the work?
	Well, I never said that women would do better in women's society would do better.
	Freddy quote, women would fare better than men.
	Just pointing that out.
	Yeah, in general, not in these specific occupations.
	Yeah, how could that be if women don't gravitate towards those things and men do?
	Aren't men going to naturally be better at them because they're interested in them?
	Because the reason why women don't gravitate towards these things is because it's male-dominated and because women are not encouraged to be in those kinds of jobs.
	You just got done.
	Well, you just contradicted yourself because first your argument was no.
	It's not that the barrier for entry is otherwise we would have female firms that would compete.
	Rather, it's a small minority of women who have interest in these jobs and they gravitate towards these other jobs because of the interest they have in those jobs instead.
	So if that is the case, we have now deduced using inductive reasoning that you believe most women don't have an interest in these jobs.
	If that is the case, why do you think post-apocalyptically, suddenly they would just have an interest?
	They would be interested.
	They wouldn't be interested.
	There would just be a need for it.
	So they, like, there'd be a need for it.
	They just wouldn't be interested in it.
	So the thing is, there would be incentives for women to get into these jobs and eventually society would adapt.
	Like, it's kind of like a bad thing.
	How would society adapt if they have no interest in the job?
	They only are gravitating based around need and they don't have to be able to do that.
	I've already answered your question.
	Yes, it is the case that people have interest in a job.
	They do better at that job.
	Yeah.
	Women aren't interested in these jobs because of traditional gender roles.
	If we get rid of the other gender, there is no need for that.
	That's a continuous contradiction.
	It's not a contradiction.
	I'll show you.
	It cannot be both.
	Oh, because of traditional gender roles, they're not interested.
	And, okay, at the same time, well, it's just that men gravitate towards it because they're interested.
	So you got to pick.
	Pick up the market.
	Yeah, the reason why they're interested is because of traditional gender roles.
	I don't see what so hard's contrasting.
	Is it the case that women would normally be interested in these jobs and they're just not because men?
	Or is it the case that they're just not interested in these jobs?
	Which is it?
	They're not because of cultural, like our culture, basically.
	Okay, so you believe that if we had like a massive government program which incentivized women to do these jobs, that women would be gravitating towards these jobs, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	We already have that.
	Why aren't they?
	What do you mean?
	I mean, we have massive government programs, including affirmative action, including government stipends, government grants, including for the first Navy SEAL.
	Millions of dollars were spent to find one.
	Overwhelmingly, the government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars in affirmative propaganda to get women into male positions, and they don't want it.
	One such example you could find would be in the Nordic nations, where there were hundreds of millions of dollars spent, whatever their dollars are, in pushing women into those fields and telling them to gravitate into those fields, and they still don't.
	How do you account for that then?
	I mean, I would just say, again, because women think about wanting a family with a man and being attracted to a man.
	So they're not interested in it.
	Being attracted.
	So they're interested in something else other than those jobs.
	Can I add something?
	I do have to move things on.
	I do have to move things on.
	And also, Andrew, wouldn't, you know, I almost wonder if this conversation is a bit secondary because isn't it just a defeater in this scenario?
	Like when it comes to a societal breakdown, even if there were women who had the interest, there's the, you know, it's like a black hole, the point of no return.
	Once there's been enough societal decline in like an apocalyptic scenario, like you, you are so declined that you're just never, like if there's just not enough people with like the knowledge base or enough people in this field, there's just going to be like so many cascading problems that like you're not even thinking about getting internet back.
	You're not thinking about electricity back.
	You're thinking about like base level survival.
	Even easier, even easier.
	All you have to do is just take a look at reason, right?
	Reason is important when it comes to survival.
	You have to reason things out.
	And think about how many unreasonable contradictions I just went through.
	Women are really interested in these jobs, but they're not interested in them.
	There's a gender divide.
	And if the government were to produce tons of propaganda towards these jobs, women would then be interested in them.
	And that was her position.
	And then when I explained, hey, but that's already happening, then it became, well, I think that women just have other interests again.
	In this case, men.
	They're just interested in men.
	Which again demonstrates that they have other interests than what these jobs are.
	So it's contradiction after contradiction after contradiction because of a lack of reason.
	And the thing is, is like all you really have to do is think about that for 15 seconds, right?
	You can see all those contradictions.
	What Brian points out here is he says, this is way past the curve, right?
	He says, wait a second.
	If societal decay got to X threshold, there's no coming back anyway.
	And it's not like we're going to rediscover the technology of anvils and, you know, horses and buggies and things like that.
	That's not an overnight thing.
	We would actually, it would take us time to regress in technology.
	That's true.
	But the thing is, is like immediately, I don't even think she believes her own position.
	So it's like, it can just be categorically rejected anyhow.
	I do have to get some chats coming in here.
	We have Chris.
	Chris donated $200.
	Ask women to open the pickle jar and we got one.
	How strong they are.
	All right.
	All right, Michaela, you do.
	We'll start with Michaela.
	We'll go down.
	Grab that.
	All right.
	Go ahead, Michaela.
	Are you going to close it?
	Reclose it and then reopen it.
	Well, if she gets it, that's it.
	So go ahead, Michaela.
	Michaela goes first.
	She works out, though, so she might get it.
	Come on.
	You got it.
	Let's go, Michaela.
	Oh, wow.
	You got it.
	You know, Brian, that's not a good look.
	I was away.
	Chris is the one who asked for the pickle jar, Chris.
	Chris, I loosened it a bit for her.
	I wanted to give Michaela a W over here.
	She hasn't gotten falls.
	So good job, Michaela.
	There is a catch, though, Michaela.
	Whoever opens it has to eat all the pickles.
	Will anybody eat a pickle right now?
	Holy shit, chill out.
	Oh, my God.
	She really likes the pickles, man.
	She really likes the lights.
	Tell your life back down.
	I think we need to get you like a little paper towel, though, otherwise it's going to leak everywhere.
	Do you want to just go grab like a paper towel?
	Actually, Damien, Damien, can you just grab her one?
	All right, we've got some more chats going through here.
	I do apologize.
	Those came in a while ago.
	Sorry for the delay, guys.
	We were just kind of...
	Hold on, guys.
	Stop, stop.
	We were just in the middle of something.
	So, you know, I wanted to let the conversation play out.
	So sorry for the delay on these guys.
	Chris, thank you for that.
	Beans donated $200.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Hello from the UK.
	Just one at Post.
	You have to have it in one.
	I believe enough to watch live.
	Chair one and four.
	Wow.
	How important is loyalty in a relationship?
	Chair Martin.
	Oh, no.
	Wow, good job.
	All right.
	It was like two, three bites, but okay.
	All right.
	Congratulations.
	W's in the chat for Bella over here.
	W's in the chat.
	She's a pickle destroyer.
	All right.
	Or just leave it over there in case you get hungry and you want another one.
	Let's see here.
	Have beans.
	Okay, so that was for chair one and chair four.
	Uh, how important is loyalty in a relationship?
	Oh, wait, no.
	Chair one and chair four.
	Wow.
	Oh, the question was not specifically directed at you.
	He just said wow to Michaela and Shelby.
	I guess he, okay, whatever.
	How important is loyalty in a relationship going around the table?
	How important is it?
	Yeah, I mean, extremely important.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Coming around the table super quick.
	Go ahead.
	It's everything.
	It's everything.
	It's the most important.
	Shelby.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	There's no relationship without loyalty.
	Yeah, okay.
	I think it's super important.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I think it's really important.
	It's the foundation.
	Yep.
	What they said.
	And just to be fair, you wanted to come in, I guess, on the previous conversation.
	I do have to move it on afterwards, but you wanted to come in on the conversation we were having with the guys and girls in the work.
	What we were just talking about, yeah?
	There was a couple of things.
	I don't know.
	So one, you know, that job because you're doing the job.
	So everything's taught.
	Another thing, it's not all really strength unless it is something down to a pickle jar.
	A lot of the jobs use machines now.
	Like you really aren't doing much.
	You're either just moving your hand or something.
	The thing about Damien, pull up the Discord again.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Pull up the Discord.
	Oh, okay.
	So the cockroaches in the tunnel.
	Pull up the Discord.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	Just driving this point.
	Play the play the roughnecks ones.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Full screen it.
	Skip forward to.
	So you're saying these men, they're just like pulling a lever?
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, there you go.
	So that might be a little heavy.
	It took two.
	Hold on.
	Do you realize how strong these guys are?
	These guys who work on these derricks and stuff?
	The roughnecks?
	No, that one.
	Are they just pulling a lever?
	That has to be in a male form.
	This is how you get that.
	We want something.
	But I think that the important point is that with a lot of the machines that even that women would be using, like who manufactures the machines and then who maintains them?
	And that requires work.
	I'd like to pack this real quick.
	Just real quick.
	I'd like to just go right back to your points before we shift it on.
	When you say, what jobs are you talking about here?
	I will say with the one with the guy in the sewer tunnel and the bugs are calling.
	No, I mean, which ones were you referencing when you said it just takes, you know, okay, so let's say IT work building fiber wiring.
	There's actually a machine building the or digging through the ground, really.
	There's many jobs, like even the logging, right?
	You have machines doing it.
	Like you're crawling up and you have a chainsaw.
	Now, again, you can say like a man eventually created the machine as well.
	I will say they know.
	No, no, no, hang on just one point at a time.
	So let's start with fiber wire.
	I've run fiber wire and I've cut down trees.
	I've done both of those things.
	No, you don't have a machine which you're still manually laying cable, by the way.
	You're still manually laying it.
	And you have terrain conditions that go into account.
	So machines can only get in certain places.
	Right.
	And human beings can get many more places that machines cannot get.
	That's the first one.
	And then your second point when it comes to logging, especially, I don't know if you've ever chainsawed for hours.
	That is hard ass work.
	Those chainsaws are extremely heavy.
	You have to have correct technique.
	It's extremely laborious and it's backbreaking because of the way that you have to bend.
	You're constantly basically at a 45-degree angle the entire time with this chainsaw.
	No, that requires immense physical strength.
	I don't know where you got the idea that, oh, you have a chainsaw, and so therefore, that like it's better, less laborious to cut down a single tree with an axe because you can at least stand upright when you're swinging the axe.
	But with a chainsaw, you're expected to cut down many, many, many trees in a day.
	And it's extremely heavy.
	It's extremely laborous work.
	Like, I don't know where you're coming up with this.
	For yourself as a chainsaw, you're the only chainsawing what you want.
	I'm not a chainsaw.
	If you're doing it at that level, I have chainsawed down trees.
	There's definitely some type of machining already involved for that type of labor for that multitude.
	Yeah, what that machine does, it's a labor-saving device.
	It doesn't make the labor easier.
	What it does is it makes it faster.
	Chaining down tons of trees with a chainsaw, climbing up.
	So, first of all, you have to cut a tree down from the top up.
	So, you have to climb up to the top of the tree and delimit with a chainsaw in one hand while you're holding the tree with another hand.
	You delimit down, then you cut it down at the base.
	It is true that it's a lot faster than doing it with an axe, but it's still very labor-intensive.
	But that's all it means: you can like cut more down quicker.
	Not that the work is easier.
	You see what I'm saying?
	And then the job with the guy in the tunnel and the cockroaches, at the end of the day, how I saw that was an act of love.
	Not really that no woman would ever do it.
	At the end of the day, a man would never let the woman do that.
	A woman could, but they never would because men would never do that.
	I would let a woman do it.
	I don't think you would.
	If you loved your woman, you wouldn't let like because that sewer system is for your house or whatever.
	Oh, I don't know if I'd want my girlfriend to do it, but like, if I had a job and a woman came to me and she was capable of doing it, would I you would want me as like the man.
	Oh, you can't do that, woman.
	I'd be like, okay, if you can do it, fuck it.
	Well, you're small, you can get into maybe she's smaller, she can get into the spaces better.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Well, that woman's there because she likes doing that, I guess.
	But okay.
	All right.
	I got to let the rest of the chats come through.
	We have actually, yeah, we'll let these come through.
	Metro Mac donated $200.
	Women of the panel, would you do these jobs?
	What is stopping you from doing them?
	Settle the debate.
	Also, stop the coat, chair three.
	So, of some of the videos I showed you just going around the table, like, would you do those jobs to like the in the in that manhole, like getting rid of the cockroaches, that the power lines or whatever, snowing?
	Would you do those jobs?
	Yeah, I would do them.
	You'd you'd do them?
	Okay, if worse comes to worse, I'll do it.
	Okay, you do those jobs or no, just because I'm a pussy, but I'd probably do something like construction or like electrician or whatever.
	All right, yeah, all right.
	What about you?
	No, no, there are other badass women who would do it.
	I wouldn't want to do it.
	You wouldn't want to do it.
	What about you?
	Um, it depends.
	I think I would.
	Okay.
	I do my own septic, so I do have to do that for myself, but I don't know how I would feel about doing that for somebody else.
	So, okay.
	I would 100%.
	Okay.
	Wait, you would 100%?
	But didn't you say men should not allow women to do that?
	No, I didn't say that.
	I said the only reason why the man got there in the end was because that's what a man does out of love.
	Way the man does it.
	He's the end of that.
	Saying that we out of chivalry wouldn't let a woman do that, which if a woman wanted to do that job, would you let the woman do the job if she wanted to do the job, but she doesn't want to do the job?
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, man.
	You know?
	I don't know.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Graffito tagged.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Graffito tacked donated $200.
	If all the men were to disappear, who is going to get rid of the spiders for you, huh?
	Yeah, I mean, who's going to kill the spot?
	I'm going to kill my own spiders.
	I will.
	Who's going to kill the spiders?
	I'll come in with a baseball spider.
	Someone with lesbian energy.
	That's who needs to come in to save today.
	I have pet shaders.
	All right.
	And we have, really quick, I want to shout out some people who.
	By the way, guys, W's in the chat for Graffito.
	Welcome back, man.
	Good to see you.
	Metro Matt.
	W's in the chat for Metro Matt.
	Thank you for the TTS's, guys.
	And then hold on here.
	We have one sec, guys.
	Yo, I need to shout out some people.
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	Also, guys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
	We have two, three more chats here.
	Michaela, you get to do the honors.
	You get to read.
	Alas, behold the profound scholarship of our Fin Dom erudite.
	That damn pesky First Amendment.
	Women don't need men.
	Curious how well your dainty little Fin Dom Tucus would prosper into your end these days?
	All right, there you go.
	Do you want to respond to Lucas?
	Okay, so yeah, I do do FinDom, and yes, men are mostly my customers, but again, I think if I obviously I need men to do FinDom, right?
	Because women aren't that stupid.
	But I'm just kidding.
	But, you know, shots fired.
	I could still do other jobs.
	Okay, we have another one from Lucas.
	Bella, let me have you read this one.
	Hey, Finny, indulge me with a thought exercise.
	Walk around a bit and compile a list of everything you've come across that was not put there by nature.
	Everything on your list was both invented and built by men.
	You want to respond to that?
	Everything on your list?
	What does he mean by that?
	I think you listed a couple things originally.
	This came in like 30 minutes ago, so I think you're saying, like, I don't know, women, they take care of their space and they're, you know, they take better care of the house in the apocalypse.
	Oh, the house was built by men.
	Men maintained.
	I guess, but I think women can build houses.
	Like, I could totally build a house.
	You could, okay, you're trying to get away from it.
	I could definitely build a house.
	Like, what?
	Just from scratch or just by yourself?
	With a team of women, sure.
	I think with maybe a team of that woman.
	Like, if you multiplied her by 12, maybe, but I'm not sure about the whole group here.
	I can build you above.
	Just a really, really simple question for the house builder.
	Can you describe for me a jigsaw?
	How does a jigsaw work?
	That's for you.
	A jigsaw?
	I don't even know what that is.
	Go at.
	What about a circular saw?
	How does that work?
	I've never seen one.
	Do you know what the stud is?
	Okay, hang on.
	Hang on.
	A stud is.
	There's multiple, like, isn't that like a lesbian?
	She was about to point at me.
	Right.
	Isn't that like a dog that breeds?
	Or like a lesbian?
	Like wait, like a masculine lesbian right, correct?
	Are we talking as it pertains to like in the context?
	In the context no, I don't study.
	No, do you know?
	The stud is no, oh boy okay, all right.
	Well uh, what's a hot guy?
	What's a stud right?
	A stud is well, I don't know what that is.
	Financial?
	It means financial domination.
	It means she's a terrible human being.
	Can I go and just kill that, or we'll get to it.
	We'll get to it, we'll get to it.
	Um, all right, Terminal Lanced.
	These delusional women need to admit or actually no, hold on Bella, go ahead.
	These illusional women need to admit that they live in a privilege, or they live in privilege and don't want to do manual, intensive jobs.
	Why work 12 hours a day lifting 100 pounds when I can show my butthole for 30 minutes and get the 5x critical thinking I couldn't read that, sorry.
	5x, all right uh, Terminal Lanced.
	Uh, that I do appreciate your message.
	W is in the chat for terminal.
	I mean, I guess just the final thing on this.
	It's like, do you have any appreciation for men?
	You know yeah, like I can sit here and say I think women are great, but I I feel like you don't think that about men.
	I think men are pretty cool.
	Oh yeah, I think by the end of this podcast i'm gonna prove that you, I don't, I don't hate men.
	Oh really, I mean, I just think we need to like regulate them.
	You called all of your customers.
	You called all of your customers, the people that hire you for FIN DOM, stupid for hiring you for FIN DOM.
	They literally are, I agree, I agree with you just want well, I hate everybody.
	You'll just insult them like that.
	I mean yeah, that's incredible, that's incredible.
	That's that's all of that.
	I guess i'll say this.
	So men, they're pretty much uh, they're responsible for nearly all the physical necessities, comforts and conveniences that uh, you enjoy and obviously take for granted and are quite ungrateful for.
	That's the firefighters police garbage men, plumbers uh, you know, when there's a fire or natural disaster, we just had the Palisade well you're, you flew in right from where okay, I don't know.
	Well, we've just had the fires here in California, fire, natural disaster crime, power outage.
	When you call a plumber who's showing up, a man or a woman, it's a man.
	Yeah, when shit hits the fan, we're the ones that are gonna come, not me.
	I've got a fucking podcast, I ain't doing shit, but uh, you know the other men out there who you're ungrateful for.
	Uh, so I don't know, I wouldn't say i'm ungrateful for them.
	I think men are pretty cool for doing those jobs.
	I just think that women could also step up and do those jobs if needed, if needed okay, that's fine, that's fine.
	Uh, and this isn't.
	I'm not like it's, this isn't.
	When I make these arguments, it's not like trying to dunk on women, it's more so.
	Just like, could you have an ounce of appreciation for, like the the, the comfort that through men's labor has provided you?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	You gotta understand we're getting something.
	I don't know, maybe we're getting something.
	I think it's ridiculous to say that women like don't need men, like that sentence in and of itself.
	Like man was created for woman, woman was created for man.
	Either way, we're headed for an apocalypse, we're gonna become an extinct species either way, but at the same time like yeah, I think, I think Andrew made really good points.
	Why are you guys so offended by that statement?
	I feel like if a man said men don't need women, I wouldn't, I wouldn't care.
	Is it because i'm not?
	I think that men very much need women, very much need women.
	By the statement, we just really love mansplaining.
	It's true.
	I think that men really, really do need women.
	I think without women, society falls apart.
	You need this.
	You need it.
	It's good for you.
	The toxic masculinity of mansplaining, when you're like, I can build a house.
	We go, what's a stud?
	And you go, oh, it's a fucking animal that has sex with another animal.
	That's the male.
	dog that our confidence level in your building ability goes greatly down so the thing is is like um so yeah i'm sorry I'm sorry.
	You have to sit here and be mansplained too.
	But if it were the case that you were making logical, reasoned points, I would be happy to listen to you.
	Like the gal I was talking to earlier, she made logic reasoned points, right?
	And then we have to, who's not making logic reasoned points.
	So we have to mansplain a bit.
	Will you take that statement back?
	Like just after hearing all of us say those points, would you say like women can't survive or women wouldn't survive without women wouldn't live as cushy of lives without men?
	Sure.
	Oh boy.
	But do women need men for service?
	Do you want to keep going further about this?
	Okay, you know.
	No, no, no, no.
	Your question was fine.
	It was more so just like, I'm not saying that this is not a dunk on women, but it's just like, it's just the reality when it comes to the different representation, when it comes to men being in these critical infrastructure positions.
	I'm not saying this is like an own on women.
	In this apocalyptic scenario, all men instantly disappear within two weeks.
	I'm not saying this to be a dick.
	50% of women are dead.
	Easily.
	I just don't.
	Now, a lot of men are dead.
	A lot of men also die in the reverse scenario.
	But because, like, he was saying, in like, in Montana or places where it's like freezing right now, you need electricity.
	And so, like, if once the electrical grid goes to shit, which I'm being dead honest here, it will be gone within 72 hours.
	People are dead 24 hours after that.
	So, yeah, 50% of women gone.
	We just want a little bit of rest.
	You know, look, if it happens in summer, you guys got to look, you'll do a little better.
	Wintertime, you guys are fucked.
	I mean, still fucked up.
	Not in Florida.
	Not as bad.
	All right.
	All right.
	Anyways, whatever.
	We'll get on to the next thing here.
	Okay, so we'll do a few more viewers, then we'll come back to some other stuff.
	We'll get some other people involved.
	Yes, let's see.
	You said single mothers, promiscuous, and older women can still pull.
	When you say you've still pulled, what do you mean?
	Like just still have sex.
	Wait, have like solid relationships or okay.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, they can, yeah, I mean, a woman who slept with 100 men or older women or single mothers, can they still end up like in a relationship?
	By pull, you mean like a relationship or just to have sex?
	Because when I think of pull, I think just both.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Do you think though, compared to like, so let's just look, do one at a time, single mothers.
	Do you think single mothers fare better in the dating marketplace than childless women?
	No, but that doesn't mean that they can't.
	That's fair.
	Your claim is can still pull.
	But I'm more so looking at like who's going to have a better time.
	But like, some men actually prefer single mothers.
	Now, sometimes it's weird because, yeah, sometimes it's predatory.
	But some men actually like to see that a woman is already a good mom before having a child with her.
	And I've actually heard men say that themselves, like, oh, I actually prefer when a woman is already a mom because I can see like if she's a good mom before I have kids with her.
	The thing with single mothers is then you would be raising somebody else's child.
	And that's that's quite counter evolution.
	No, it's not.
	Yeah.
	It is.
	Well, I mean, historically, like if we look through, like, throughout most of human history prior to us becoming modern humans, humans, like, women were very, the women were very, like, polyamorous.
	Like, you know, men used to, like, impregnate, or not impregnate, but, like, used to intimidate the same woman.
	Like, they used to share the women.
	I don't know, but is it true?
	This was before we evolved to have, like, the pre-frontal cortex and beyond.
	Like in tribal civilization?
	No, this was back when like humans were like how we were.
	We were more closely related to the chimpanzees.
	Like, we were more like hundreds of thousands of years ago.
	In Sex Before Dawn, it talks all about how in primal civilizations, one man would have multiple women.
	Right, and this is when we became more similar to the modern humans that we are now.
	I'm talking about prior to that, when we were closer to like our ancient like ape ancestors.
	Wait, so before him?
	How is it before that?
	That's like the original caveman.
	Like the original caveman.
	I'm talking about before the cavemen.
	Like when we were basically apes.
	Women had multiple.
	Wait, so men were monogamous and women had multiple partners?
	No, both were polyamorous.
	Both were poly.
	But women take nine months to give birth.
	I don't know how it goes with that.
	I mean, they were just raising children that weren't theirs.
	It was like people were raised.
	Like we were living in tribes.
	Humans had to stick together because we were always at the bottom of the food chain.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	You said older women can still pull, but do they pull better than younger women?
	I think it's like almost the same, honestly.
	I really do because, I mean, a lot of people say, oh, like you're 35, you hit your wall, but younger women don't want older men.
	Like at least not significantly older men.
	Wait, younger women don't want older men?
	No.
	I do.
	Really?
	I think when we say we want older men, we're thinking like three to five years older, but it's not like I'm 19 and I want a man who's 35.
	I think that's pretty much essentially exactly what most women want, especially being a guy that has grown up, seen younger, being around younger women.
	I've been decently financially successful in my early 20s, which is cool.
	But at the same time, I have watched women overlook me simply because the fact that they are drawn to men that look like they have it put together.
	Like men almost in their 30s.
	It's very, very interesting.
	I mean, I think generally speaking, most women are dating men like around their age.
	Right.
	There's a greater proportion of young women who are going to date.
	There's going to be age gap like 5, 10, 15 years.
	But I would agree, generally speaking, most women are dating men their own age, but there's like, I don't know if it's 5%, 10%, but you don't really see the reverse.
	I think a lot of girls have that phase where they're like, oh, I want a man who's like that old, but then you actually do it.
	And it's like, this guy is literally my dad.
	Would you date Brad Pitt?
	No.
	How about, wait, do you have a type?
	What's your type?
	i'll find an old guy that you'll uh i mean i don't denzel I don't have a racial type if that's amazing.
	Sorry, I'm just trying to go through all that.
	Who do you want?
	I feel like maybe I would like speak with these men, but like I wouldn't like date them.
	No, they would be like my father.
	Wait, but didn't you?
	They would be my father's age.
	What do you know?
	If you dated someone your own age, that's like dating your brother.
	No, but I can at least relate to that.
	Oh, you don't have anything for that?
	I can at least relate to that person.
	Weren't you the person that originally said that women should date a man more for the financial side of things?
	So wouldn't that encourage younger women to date older men?
	Isn't that exactly what you're more likely to have their finances?
	Yeah, we're more likely to be a lot of people.
	I mean, it's different when you're younger.
	Like, I think I think if you encourage that, if you encourage women, go out and like date people, date men more based off of their financial situation, you're going to have a lot of really young ladies dating really old men.
	Maybe you could argue that.
	Late 20s, 30s.
	Yeah, I mean, I think.
	Yeah, you said women should prioritize finances in the man.
	So, like, a 20-year-old, she's going to date a 20-year-old college guy who doesn't make any money.
	Like, what?
	In your worldview.
	If he's willing to give her money, like, take her on dates and stuff.
	20-year-old college guys don't have money like that.
	Typically, they can have a job.
	Bruh.
	They can have a job.
	Even if they have a job, they're probably going to be a good person.
	I don't think, like, I don't think women should.
	I do think women should date older, just not like significantly older.
	Like, I think women generally prefer like three to five years.
	Do you think that?
	So, just two very brief questions.
	Can you respond first to your first argument, which was that would be like dating my father?
	How come it's not like dating your brother to date someone three years older than you?
	Because you don't have to deal with the mansplaining and like just dealing with someone who you don't understand.
	Your brother doesn't mansplain?
	Don't lie.
	No, my brother does not mansplain.
	Okay, well, most people's brother does.
	I mansplain to my sister.
	So, the thing is, is like, why I don't understand how it is that even mansplaining would have a difference in age.
	Like, do you think that because you're 20 and he's 25, that the mansplaining goes away?
	Because it doesn't matter.
	I think it's to a lesser degree, because I feel like older men, they talk to you like you don't know any better, and you're just like, you're literally a child to them, but it's like, why are you attracted to me if I'm like a child to you?
	It's just weird.
	That was weird about it.
	It's just like it feels radio.
	Does it give you the ick?
	Yes, it does.
	It gives you the ick.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	Since we're on the ick, can you give me a single moral argument, a single one, for why it would actually be immoral for a 20-year-old woman to date or marry a 50-year-old man?
	Just a single argument that actually shows that this is immoral.
	Well, for the woman, I don't think it's immoral.
	I don't think it's immoral for younger women to like older people or for younger people to like imagine.
	Why is it immoral for the 50-year-old man who has a woman who's 20 who's interested in him to be interested and reciprocate her feeling?
	Because younger people, like I think, like once you're under the age of like 25, 21, maybe you have higher levels of neuroticism, you are dealing with hot and cold cognition, you are dealing with peer pressure, you have a lack of identity.
	So, we shouldn't let them vote.
	Shouldn't let them vote?
	Yeah.
	I think that we can have like I don't necessarily have to be affected.
	I think that certain privileges can be afforded to I think that certain levels of privileges can be afforded to different people if they're neurotic and stupid and can't make these decisions, but somehow you're going to charge them with the fate of the nation.
	What can you explain that rationale?
	I wouldn't be completely against it.
	So, you want to raise the voting age to 26.
	Okay, so then once they get 26 and they're Abdullah obligators, fully developed or whatever, then it would be okay after the Abdullah obligata reaches the fruition of Abdullah obligateness for them to then date a man who's 50 at 26, right?
	Yeah, I don't, like, for example, right?
	I don't think that there would be any moral issue with like a man 50 dating a 30-year-old woman or like a 25-year-old woman.
	Okay, can you help me out with one more thing?
	The prefrontal cortex, I agree with you, it's fully developed in women at about age 26.
	But something interesting happens, and I'd like your take on this.
	Do you know that after it's fully developed, it starts to decay?
	So, since it starts to decay, by the time you're 50, it's in a rapid state of decay, in fact, in most people.
	So, isn't it the case then, if that's the truth, that a 50-year-old is actually probably more equally yoked with a 20-year-old because their prefrontal cortex is in a state of decay just like the 20-year-old?
	No, it's just on the same point.
	Because that 50-year-old actually has knowledge and life experience, whereas that's a good idea.
	Oh, so it doesn't come down to the prefrontal cortex.
	It comes down to nothing.
	I never said it came down to the pre-4 frontal cortex.
	Yes, you did.
	That was your primary.
	I said that you're dealing with higher levels of neuroticism, a lack of self-identity.
	You're dealing with the same thing.
	Well, the same things you would find in a 50-year-old due to the prefrontal cortex.
	I wouldn't, I would have to see some research on that.
	I wouldn't be sure.
	Well, I mean, it decays after 26.
	You can look it up right now.
	It decays after 26 years old, becomes in a state of decay.
	So, that means it's been decaying for what, 20 years?
	So, wouldn't they be more equally yoked?
	I mean, you could probably argue that there might be something immoral of a younger woman dating like a 70-year-old or something because they're really out of it.
	But, like, oh, yeah, so the 20-year-old 70% of the 20-year-olds are pretty cognizant to me.
	So, wait, so a 20-year-old and a 70-year-old, that would be fine.
	But a 20-year-old and a 50-year-old, not fine.
	No, that would not be fine.
	Why wouldn't it be fine?
	I think that the 20-year-old would probably at that point, I think it would be sick on both sides at that point.
	So, then what your argument here reduces to then, it would be sick, even though they're mentally at about the same level.
	So, does this mean then that no 20-year-old should date?
	Why aren't they?
	If a 70-year-old is in a state of mental decay, the 70-year-old probably just doesn't remember things and forgets things.
	And, like, a 20-year-old is, again, dealing with higher decorations.
	Well, the 20-year-old would be taking advantage of the 70-year-old probably for its money or something.
	Okay, so actually, your argument here then reduces to this.
	Andrew, nobody under the age of 26 should be dating because they're high in neuroticism.
	They make bad decisions, they make bad choices.
	So, why should they ever date anybody until they're 26?
	They can't even make informed decisions.
	Why not raise the age of consent then to 26?
	Can you tell me why we shouldn't do that?
	Because, I mean, I think people who are 26 can just date each other.
	Yeah, I know, but why shouldn't we raise the age to 26 if people can't make good decisions before the age of 26?
	I don't think we should because I think to a degree, you are like an adult by the age of 18.
	Well, if you're an adult, but you can't choose who you date, you can choose to vote, you can choose to join the military, you can choose to do all of these, you can choose to smoke, you can choose to do all these things, but you can't choose who you date, really.
	You can choose who you date.
	I just think that's a good thing.
	So, why would it be immoral then for a 20-year-old to date a 50-year-old?
	Can I make an argument here?
	Can you let her finish hers?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, just think about it.
	So, first of all, like, if you're a mother, you're in this, you're competing in the same dating market as your daughter.
	You could potentially be talking to the same man.
	Why is that immoral?
	It's disgusting.
	Why is it immoral?
	If I use the argument that we should have no LGBTQ because I found it disgusting, would you accept that as an argument?
	No, it's just that I think.
	No, then don't use disgusting as an argument.
	Tell me why it's morally wrong.
	I just think it's morally wrong because, again, like the older man would be taking advantage of the younger woman due to her having a lack of identity.
	But I don't disagree with you.
	Why are they allowed to date at all until they're 26?
	Because if they're not competent enough at 20 to pick their partner, right, why are we letting them pick their partners when they're incompetent?
	You are taking advantage of them, right?
	No, because by allowing them to make those bad decisions, like the two 20-year-olds don't have any advantage over each other.
	I got a quick question here.
	Quick question for you.
	So your concern here is you said taking advantage of, right?
	So like predatory abusive, right?
	These age gap relationships are predatory abusive.
	Predatory, sure.
	I mean, what kind of abuse are you talking about?
	What you said taking advantage of, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, but you would acknowledge that age gap relationships aren't always that way.
	Maybe not, no.
	Or do you think all age gap relationships, the older individuals taking advantage, as you put it, of the younger individual?
	Yeah, generally, like their naivety and...
	But could you imagine a singular age gap relationship where the older individual is not taking advantage of the younger individual?
	Maybe.
	So what would your objection be in that case?
	If there's no taking advantage of, and it's an otherwise healthy relationship, the older individual has good intentions.
	What would be your argument against an age gap relationship?
	In association with like the usual dynamic of that kind of relationship.
	But I just, can I butt in?
	I said that there's good intentions.
	I'm not going to investigate every single age gap relationship.
	Like I'm just going to be dating what?
	Many age ages.
	I generally see the patterns to be.
	Well, but I very much agree with your point when you said that women should take a man's finances into consideration when they're dating.
	They should date for finances.
	But at the same time, if you flip it back around, I also think that men should be able to date for attractiveness.
	I agree.
	So you would agree with that.
	But in the case of a 50-year-old and a 20-year-old, that's just him exercising that right and saying, hey, I'm 50 years old.
	I want to date a young, attractive 20-year-old, like pure woman.
	I think he can go for 25.
	Women in their mid-20s are still attractive.
	But what if he wants a 20-year-old?
	There's no problem with him wanting a 20.
	There's actually scientific evidence that 20 to 23 is peak attractiveness to men of all ages for women.
	So that's actually I'm not trying to argue their point because I actually have been in a relationship where I was underage.
	In Georgia, the age of consent is 16.
	I was 17.
	We're not talking about underage relationships.
	That's the age of consent.
	So that was a relationship that I felt like was not fair because of the age gap.
	And there is a dynamic within those relationships where there is kind of an authority, you know, on the man over the woman.
	So it's really just if you think that that's appropriate in a relationship, then you think that an age gap is appropriate in a relationship.
	If you don't think that's appropriate, then you don't think that is an appropriate relationship.
	Hold on, I'd like you to repeat what you said.
	So a 20-year-old is a what?
	Like, usually 20-year-olds have the phenotype of a child, like of a young.
	Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Wait, Let me investigate this a little bit.
	So you said your original statement was a 20-year-old is a child.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	So are you talking, but now you're talking about how they look physically, but what about mentally?
	Is there a mental component there too?
	I wouldn't say they're a child.
	I would say they're just...
	When you say phenotype, you mean their body.
	Yeah, I think most 20-year-olds look really young.
	Do you look...
	So you look childlike?
	No.
	No, not me.
	I mean, I'm the exception.
	No, no, but hold on.
	So just to be clear, but actually, let's investigate this.
	So let's say there's a 30-year-old who has this phenotype that you consider childlike.
	So a man who's attracted to a 30-year-old with like, perhaps she's not very curvy, perhaps she has like a small breast or small butt, you would say he's a PDF file for dating a 30-year-old woman and he's 35?
	If he's attracted to that phenotype...
	Wait, so hold on.
	Just to be clear, like, so you're saying that.
	I would say he's literally a person.
	So just to be clear, you're going to throw women under the bus who are perhaps not developed in the breast or the butt or aren't curvy.
	You're going to say that they're basically one, that they aren't deserving of like a relationship, or the men that are attracted to them are PDF files?
	No, I'm saying that.
	That's literally what you're saying.
	If that's what he's specifically attracted to, if he's attracted to that look.
	And if he thought that, because a lot of times, like, I've, you know, worked with people, and like, I've worked with this one woman.
	She was like 27, but she looked like she was 19.
	But if you're attracted to short women, say a guy likes short women, you can't just say, oh, you're a PDF file because you like short women.
	You literally are.
	Younger people are usually short.
	Wait, wait, so you're figuratively.
	This is a fair analogy.
	Let me just ask you a single question.
	Are you saying then that it's immoral for men who are attracted to those women to date them?
	Yeah, like I would not date a man who looks like a teenager if I was a grown woman.
	Even if he was my age.
	Hang on.
	So men who are in relationships with women who love them, who look like this phenotypical expression that you're talking about, the man should leave because he's doing something wrong, right?
	No, I don't think he should leave.
	I just don't think men should be attracted to that in the first place.
	Then it's not immoral.
	It is immoral to be attracted to that.
	How is it immoral if you're telling them not to leave?
	Because again, like, I don't know how this relationship therves.
	She's actually of age, for all I know, you know, he could have 30 years old, but she just has the phenotypical expression that you would consider to be childlike, and he's attracted to that.
	Is he and her doing something immoral?
	I think are they doing something immoral?
	Yes or no?
	Are they doing something immoral?
	I think that the man is immoral for being attracted to that and seeking out that phenotype in the first place.
	Okay, but they're together now.
	Is he doing something immoral by being with her?
	No, because now he knows.
	So then what you're saying is that PDF files, as long as they're with the person who loves them, aren't immoral.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, because he knows this woman.
	He knows how old she is.
	He knows.
	Can you let me speak?
	Can you please let me speak?
	He knows how old she is now.
	He knows how old she is.
	He knows her mindset and her level of maturity now.
	Like, it's a relationship.
	I'm talking about the momentum.
	Like, for example, the example I was trying to give where I was working with this woman who was 27, but she looked like she was 19, and she gets approached by men, and they're like, How old are you?
	Like, while she looks like a teenager, and they're like, oh, she's like, oh, I'm 27.
	And they're like, oh, I thought you were like 19.
	I was like, I'm sorry.
	I thought I was.
	I was like, PDF file apologetics.
	You're over here saying that men who are with women who look like this phenotype are themselves PDF files and should stay in those PDF files.
	If they're attracted to that lady, if you approach a woman, apologizing for PDF files.
	Oh my God.
	Okay, I'm done.
	Yeah, can we get some more input from the other girls on the panel?
	Like if they agree or if they think the same thing.
	Yeah, we'll like open it up on the age gap thing.
	I do want to continue just a little bit here.
	I mean, I'm just, I'm really confused because, so, you know, Sophie Rain.
	I'm sure you know who she is.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So this is a woman who's fairly curvy, big butt.
	I don't know if she's got some cans, some sad eyes.
	I know she's she's like 19, but I think she started doing like social media stuff, OF, maybe at 18.
	I think she's 19 now.
	Putting aside the fact that she's a sex worker strumpet, you're going to tell me that she's like, she would fit the phenotype of an older woman.
	So you would prefer men dating her, even though she's 19, but she has like a more developed figure versus like a 35-year-old man versus a 35-year-old man dating like a 30-year-old woman who's perhaps like not as, you know, maybe her breasts aren't as large, her butt's not as large, she's not as curvy.
	You think that I'm just trying to understand the logic?
	No, I think Sophie Rain looks like younger than what she actually is.
	Like in the face, she looks 14.
	Her body is now.
	Her body is grown, but her face looks young.
	She looks grown.
	She's 20, I believe.
	She looks her age.
	I don't know what you're saying.
	She's 20, actually.
	Okay, she's 20.
	Fine.
	I mean, what do you think?
	So which one's, I'm just, which one is worse in your world?
	Like, for example, Jenna Ortega, I think is her name?
	The Hispanic girl who did the gothic roll Wednesday.
	So just to be clear, you're gatekeeping, like, like, if a woman just, what if, I mean, that's just her genetics.
	She's just, you know.
	I'm not saying she's ugly.
	I'm not saying any of that, but if a man is attracted to that specific phenotype, and that's what he usually goes for, then that would probably be signs of...
	Well, even if she's 30 years old?
	Even if she's 30 years old?
	Wait, hold on, let's be clear.
	Again, I'm not going to date a man who's 30 years old, but looks like he's 17.
	I'm just not doing that.
	I have a question for you.
	So when it comes to, like, do you agree that like when it comes to childhood nutrition, like that's going to have an impact on your development?
	And there's some countries that have like, hold on, hold on.
	There's some countries that have like worse childhood nutrition.
	You'd agree with that?
	And so this is going to have an impact on, you know, like perhaps how they develop.
	Right?
	Maybe I should.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	So just to be clear, I want you to make a statement that men who find women who live in certain countries, who perhaps these are developing countries, they're third world countries, men who are attract, men in those countries who find that body type attractive because, hey, perhaps there's not good nutrition, whatever, that these men across the board in these countries who are not well developed, they're PDF files in this country.
	They are not PDF files, but they if they're attracted to that specifically, then yes they are.
	What if the majority of the women?
	What if the majority of the women in those specific countries have that phenotype?
	Are the men PDF files?
	I mean, no, as long as those women are of age.
	Can I ask you?
	Yes, they are of age.
	They're adult women.
	Yeah.
	But they're attracted to the phenotype, which you said indicates that these men are PDF files.
	I think that, you know, if that's what their specific type is and that's what attracts them, then, yeah.
	Okay, so there are certain Asian countries that I can think of where like these are developing countries and because of this, like the childhood and, you know, throughout their teenage years, the nutrition isn't necessarily there.
	This is going to perhaps have an impact on, you know, their bodily development.
	You know, when it comes to, for example, height, height in these countries is lower because it comes down to nutrition, right?
	So are these men who live in these countries, are they PDF files?
	No, because they're dating.
	And we can say this about Latin America.
	We could say certain Latin American countries.
	We could say this.
	These men look like children.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	We could say this about certain countries in Africa.
	I just want you to say that the men in these countries are PDF files.
	Go ahead.
	No, they're adult women.
	What about runway moments?
	Okay, so then what's the problem?
	What's the problem with an adult man dating an adult woman who, and this woman happens to have the phenotype which you think is not developed enough?
	It's if you literally, again, so again, with the actress Jenna Ortega, right?
	She literally looks like she's 14, but she's like, how old is she?
	I think she's like 23.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	But who are you to dictate what a woman is?
	Now you're gaslighting me.
	I'm not saying what a woman is.
	You're saying that, like, I'm just trying to understand.
	So a woman with small breasts, for example, an A or a B cup, you don't think she's like deserving of love because of her body size?
	I mean, that's kind of what you're getting at.
	Because the people that would be more likely to be attracted to her would be a lot of people.
	I'm just donating $200.
	Ask women to open a pickle jar.
	We already did.
	I don't know how that got easier.
	We already did.
	She opened it.
	I have a question.
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	One sec.
	It's just like you're basically.
	These.
	Like if a woman has an A cup or a B cup, one, you're just the men who are attracted to her.
	It's not about her body type.
	It's about her face.
	You said phenotype.
	Yeah, phenotype includes the face.
	Can we talk about that?
	Like, it's not just about women who are flat-chested.
	Wait, so okay, just to be clear.
	So you'd be, okay, let's say there's a 14-year-old who looks like she's 25.
	You're okay with like men being attracted to them.
	If he's attracted to that girl, then he's attracted to what a girl.
	But if he finds out her age, then that would mean pedophilia.
	Yes.
	Oh, no, no, you're doing some crazy apologetics.
	If she looks like a grown woman and he's attracted to the way that she looks.
	So what she's saying is consistent.
	So she's saying this.
	Okay.
	And let me just steal Manny.
	You can tell me if I get your position wrong.
	She's saying if a man is attracted to a phenotype which looks adolescent, then he's a PDF file.
	That's what you're saying.
	So you're saying that if a man was attracted to it, though, to an adolescent who had the development of like a 25-year-old, so he wouldn't know.
	So he is not a PDF file.
	Right.
	If he didn't know her age and he's attracted to the way she looks, then no, that would not be pedophilia.
	Right.
	So I'm correct, right?
	Exactly.
	Do I still made your position correctly?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I just have one quick question for you.
	Do you agree with me, and do you agree with Brian and the men here, and I'm sure every woman here, that if a man were engaged with a woman, okay, who he found out was in that age bracket, he didn't know before, that he should leave immediately, even if she had those same phenotypical adolescent.
	She's like phenotypically looked adolescent, but he thought she was 25 or whatever.
	He should get away immediately if she is actually underage, right?
	He's doing something wrong.
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	But if the same man was engaged with a woman who phenotypically had that expression who was 25, you say he should stay.
	How's that not pedophilia or PDF file apologia?
	Can you explain that to me?
	Wait.
	Because what you're saying is, you're saying if you are a PDF file and you're engaging in this activity, you should stop immediately.
	And then you hold a double standard for the same man who's engaging in that same nature of activity by your own admission.
	So you're apologizing for the PDF file.
	There's no way around it.
	No, because that woman would actually be of age.
	Yeah, but he's attracted to that phenotype, which means he's a PDF by your own admission.
	And if you're saying he should stay with her, then that means you're doing PDF apologia.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	Actually, I could get behind that.
	Yeah, he would be a little bit more.
	So you are a PDF apologist.
	Thank you.
	How am I a PF apologist, though?
	It's not actually pedophilia if she's of age.
	You literally just said that if he's attracted to that phenotype, he's a PDF.
	If you didn't say they should stay together because they love each other, because they're both of age, then you are saying that this PDF, right, should be with this woman, even though he's a PDF.
	It's PDF apologia.
	You're saying that as long as you're attracted to that phenotype and the chick still likes you, it's fine.
	Yeah?
	No.
	But okay, so he should leave her then, right?
	I don't think he should leave her.
	Oh, well, then I guess you're not going to be able to do that.
	I just think he would be a weird person.
	Why do you want this PDF to be with this woman?
	What sort of monster are you?
	Because if he was a PDF, he would actually be with a child.
	Oh, wait a second.
	So now we have a distinction, don't we?
	So now you have said now that a PDF actually is not a person attracted to this phenotype.
	It's a person who's with a child, so you just switch your argument.
	That's it, it's over, it's done.
	Now we have a clear distinction as to what you actually consider a PDF to be.
	Yeah, again, so again, if he's initially attracted to this phenotype, that would make him a pedophile, a pedophile.
	But if he's already in the relationship and he, he, this woman is grown, she has a grown mentality, she's he knows her real age, then no, it wouldn't be pedophilic.
	Why would you want her to be around a PDF file?
	I just want to.
	What are you talking about?
	If he's attracted to that phenotype, he's a PDF file, right?
	Yeah, and she should be specifically attracted to that phenotype.
	She should stay with him because she loves him.
	Why wouldn't you demand that she get away from the PDF file?
	I mean, I probably would if he was specifically attracted to that phenomenon.
	Now you would.
	Now you would.
	It's like a tooth-but-tooth face to squeeze.
	No, because I didn't understand what you were saying before, but I get what you're saying.
	You see how silly this is?
	Totally silly.
	It makes no sense.
	It does.
	It absolutely does.
	If you're attracted to a woman who looks like a child, you're probably a pedophile.
	I bet this sounded really good on paper until you thought about it for two seconds.
	Like, it makes no sense.
	You're actually advocating that this woman stay with a person you consider to be a PDF file, which is PDF file apologia.
	Do you get it now?
	I don't know.
	Wait, hold on.
	Do you believe in body positivity?
	Yeah, we'll see that.
	Oh, okay, that's fine.
	But I mean, why are you gatekeeping what an adult body looks like?
	Like, you do realize women come in different shapes and stuff like that.
	I'm not gatekeeping anything.
	You're telling us we can't.
	You're literally saying, as a man, if you're not attracted to a curvy woman with large colours.
	No, I never made any specific statements to the phenotype.
	I'm just saying if you look at someone and they look like a kid, they look like I have a 12-year-old niece.
	She's taller than me.
	She has big boobs, like big butt.
	I'm 25.
	I've been 5'4 ⁇ , 120, B-cup.
	No, somebody since I was 15.
	So my 12-year-old niece, I'm not talking about the body type.
	I understand that women can have flatter chests, women can have football hips.
	Me and I'm smaller.
	How does that make him like that's just preference, I believe?
	Right, and when I was doing runway modeling, right, and I was literally like narrow, like I did not have any curves on my body.
	And you gotta do it.
	That is a body type.
	You're talking about I had a literal physical.
	So no.
	Yeah, but it's not just that a man is allowed to date me.
	But before when I was doing runway, a man wasn't allowed to date me.
	Like, that doesn't make sense to me.
	Yes, like, a man shouldn't be attracted to a child, but having boobs or having a butt does not make you a woman.
	That's not what I said.
	That's exactly.
	You guys keep putting words in my mouth.
	I never said anything about butt and boobs.
	I asked you about curves.
	I asked you about boobs.
	I asked you about butt.
	I never said anything to that.
	Yes, you indicated towards women who have smaller breasts, smaller butts, less curves.
	Huh?
	Women who look like children both help me.
	And when I was doing runway, people thought that I was.
	Look, I'm just saying, I feel like women already struggle enough when it comes to like body image issue stuff.
	And like now you're trying to add on some extra layer.
	Now stop, stop, stop.
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	Stop interrupting.
	So now you're adding on another layer here where like women who do have this phenotype now need to all of a sudden be concerned.
	Oh, is this guy?
	I really like this guy.
	He really likes me.
	Is he a PDF file?
	Do you realize how crazy that is?
	A woman with A-cup or B-cup breasts?
	Oh, I'm not a fan of that.
	That's literally what you're advocating for.
	Women already struggle enough with that shit.
	She has a baby phase.
	Like, for example, Sophia Rain, baby face.
	Sophia Rain, we were talking about, she looks like a kid, even though she has a curvy body.
	Okay, so it would be wrong for me to be attracted to her.
	That would be PDF file.
	Yeah, that brings up a whole different camera.
	More complicated because her body looks gross.
	No, commit to the position.
	Is he a PDF?
	Am I a PDF file if I'm attracted to some of your witch?
	Come on, commit to the position.
	No, because she didn't look like she's 14.
	She looks like a 19.
	You said in the face that she looks like.
	How about he just saw her face?
	He never saw her body.
	Then, yeah.
	No, but he knows that she's 20.
	But never seen her face, just excuse me, never seen her body, just her face, but he knows she's 20.
	Is he a PDF file?
	Well, if he knows he's 20, then.
	Well, how did he help me out with this?
	If he didn't know, then I would say yeah.
	I just curiously last question.
	Just a yes or no here would be appropriate.
	But you can respond long form if you need to.
	I'm just curious.
	These women who do have these phenotypical expressions that you say, and men who are attracted to those phenotypical expressions are PDF files.
	Would that not entail then that that woman should only be with men who aren't attracted to her?
	No, she should just be with men.
	Well, I don't understand.
	How could she be with a man who was attracted to her?
	Unless that man was a PDF file.
	I just checked that.
	Probably.
	Oh my God.
	Damn, bro.
	I got to come to the defense of women with small titties, bro.
	You're doing a lot.
	You're throwing a lot of shade at like small titty women, bro.
	Oh, my God.
	Come on, that's crazy.
	You know, pull respect.
	Pull a little respect on the small titty committee.
	Can I please get an answer?
	Can you get an answer?
	How could a woman who had those phenotypical expressions have a man who's attracted to her and that man not be a PDF file?
	Can you explain that to me?
	A man who knows her age, a man who gets to know her through her personality.
	No, no, he doesn't know her age.
	Okay.
	He's attracted to her.
	Okay.
	He assumes that she's overage, right?
	But he's attracted to her.
	Based on those phenotypes specifically, he's attracted to her.
	Wouldn't all men who approached her have to do it based on the fact they're not.
	And even, you know what?
	Even better.
	Even if they knew her age, right, but were just attracted to that phenotype, right?
	You would still have to concede here that this woman could not be with any men who were attracted to her based on her phenotype because they would be PDF files.
	Therefore, no men who were attracted to her could actually be with her, right?
	I see what you're saying there.
	Can he answer?
	I'm not going to, like, I'm not, I'm agnostic on that.
	I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say that women shouldn't fly in love with men who are of their age just because they look younger.
	I'm not going to say that.
	Okay.
	I'm agnostic on that.
	Wait, how about this?
	That's great.
	Whatever, bro.
	Yeah, the block can get a beer.
	Wait, how about this?
	So what about women who are attracted to tall men?
	I think that this is actually evidence of not the PDF stuff, but it's actually evidence of incestuousness.
	What?
	How are you going to connect that?
	Here you go.
	This is the same totally bogus toaster brain logic.
	So because you as a woman, when you were young, you looked up at your father and you admired your father because he was so tall.
	That's why you're attracted to tall men is because you look.
	You women who are attracted to tall men are all incestophobes.
	We're getting into this Sigmund Freud shit.
	On average, men are taller than women.
	So that would explain Brian.
	I see what you're attracting to that.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Sorry, Brian.
	It didn't work.
	What a dub joke.
	We have Mustafa.
	I thought you idiots were quitting this stupid joke of the podcast.
	Here's some dollars using to get a real job.
	All right, you're right, man.
	Thank you, Mr. Become a power line guy or something.
	I do also need to do some shout-outs here for, we have one, Bunny Rabbit on Cash App sends in $5.
	Yo, thank you.
	W's in the chat for Bunny Rabbit.
	Guys, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod, if you want to send it in without any cut going.
	All right, let's get into this here.
	We're going to have Stiffler come in here with a question.
	Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting with, starting, you know what?
	Hold on.
	I'm going to go a bit out of order here.
	Starting with you.
	I mean, I would pick seven, but I guess I'd say eight.
	Okay.
	Going back to Michaela and then back?
	I'll say ten.
	Ten?
	Okay.
	Six.
	Six.
	All right.
	Wow.
	Nine.
	All right.
	Ten.
	Ten?
	Okay.
	I would say seven, but six.
	All right.
	I think I'm ten.
	Ten?
	Okay.
	I'd give myself an eight.
	All right.
	On camera, I look like an inbred five, but in real life, I'm a nine.
	Wait, sorry.
	Wait, I missed that last part.
	An inbred five on camera?
	No, no, the last part.
	I think I'm an eight.
	I'll go with that.
	I see one more.
	Okay, we'll go with that.
	What do you give yourself?
	I stick with a consistent eight.
	I give myself a five.
	Andrew, what about you?
	I'm clearly a 10.
	I don't know, Andrew.
	Wait, wait, why are you laughing?
	You don't believe that?
	Not without the beard, Andrew.
	Andrew, you need the beard.
	You don't believe I'm a 10?
	Not without your makeup on.
	It's not just a subjective value.
	It's not just how I feel that makes me beautiful.
	There's something else that makes me beautiful other than that.
	What would those things be?
	My opinion.
	Are you asking, you know, from your viewpoint, are you a 10 or are you asking from the view of society, would you be considered a 10?
	Because that's the same thing.
	Yeah, that's what the heart of the question is.
	Do you think that we care about the opinion of – well, first of all, most people are going to lie about this, right?
	So the thing is, is, yeah, we're asking you, from the observer standpoint, what do you think the observer, if there's 100 men who all rated you, what would it average out to?
	What would the average be?
	For me, personally.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't wear makeup or anything to alter my appearance more towards a higher end of the scale.
	So I don't know if that's something to take into consideration.
	But with that said, I would say that I would be considered around an eight just from what people have told me in the past.
	And that's, you know, just what I've.
	And I'm a 10.
	Okay, you can be a 10.
	And I think that what?
	I don't understand.
	Why are you laughing?
	Because I don't know what people have rated you.
	I'm not going to.
	It sounds like you don't believe me.
	Okay.
	It sounds like a lot of people.
	I don't think that looks are the most important.
	Wait, you think I'm delusional?
	Do you think that...
	I think you are delusional from this podcast.
	the thing I think about myself in my head isn't true you know I I think that looks aren't the most important thing but I think that's not what I asked you I understand what you're asking me.
	And from my perspective, you are not my version of a 10.
	So I can't speak for other people.
	I'm not in their brains.
	But from my perspective, you're not a 10 in the past.
	Yeah, I'm not asking you from your perspective.
	I'm asking you from the average woman.
	If 100 average women rated me, clearly they'd put me at a 10, right?
	I can't speak for the average woman because I do not have the minds.
	I'm not asking you to speak for them.
	I'm asking what you think.
	Okay, so you are asking me my opinion on how I would rate you then.
	I can't speak for you.
	Other women would rate me.
	So are you saying that if I intricately deal with how all other people feel about being murdered, I can't make the general statement that they won't like it.
	See, so that's something that's a moralistic issue.
	Your looks are not a moralistic issue.
	Before you start spurting out, I would like you to answer directly the question I'm asking.
	Do you think that I could not assess that most people in the world would not want to be murdered, even though I'm not most people in the world?
	That is a moral view.
	Can you answer the question?
	I am answering your question.
	I'm just not answering it how you'd like.
	That doesn't mean I'm not sure.
	No, you just won't answer it, period.
	Okay.
	So give me a, what is it?
	Is it a yes or no?
	Because if so, give me a yes or no.
	Yes or no?
	Can I assess that or not?
	Repeat your question explicitly.
	Yeah, if I say I don't think most people in the world want to be murdered, right?
	Is that a fair assessment, even though I'm not most people in the world?
	Yes.
	But that is a moral.
	Wait, stop.
	Hold up, but let me explain the reason for that.
	The reason behind that is that that is a moralistic view.
	That is taking someone's life.
	Your looks have nothing to do with whether or not someone wants to be murdered.
	That is taking their life, right?
	So your looks are not something that I can objectively say.
	I don't know how people in India would rate you.
	I have my views from my perspective and calculating.
	I think other people's morals.
	Do you think I objectively know their morals?
	No, I don't objectively know their morals.
	I'm saying from my standpoint, I think most other people would not want to be murdered.
	And I think that that's what all of them think.
	I could make value assessments on what I think other people would think, even though I'm not other people.
	You can do the exact same thing.
	You can say, I think most people would say, like, oh, I don't know, a person who came out of the ICU with half of their face melted off and a bone sticking out of their head and most of their bones missing, most people wouldn't find them attractive.
	Okay, so do something parallel.
	Do something.
	You could actually see that, and that would be fine.
	Right, but do something parallel.
	Say, like, you know, the average person would rate insert celebrity's name at this level.
	Like, that's a parallel.
	Somebody dying or being killed is not parallel to your looks and how people would view you.
	I can't say that.
	Well, wait a second.
	Then how come I can say with great certainty that a person with half their face melted off was missing most of their bones and they had scars all over the place and when most people saw them that was the type of person who went, oh my God, right?
	I can make the value assessment that most people would find that unattractive.
	But you're saying that I can't make the determination on what most people would find attractive.
	I think that that's silly.
	And by the way, you yourself already gave us many standards.
	You said earlier in this conversation, for instance, that you think that most men are attracted to women between the ages of X and X.
	No, I didn't say I believe that.
	That is a scientific study.
	I also studied.
	So you're considering this.
	21 to 23.
	That's saying that that's their peak attractiveness, looking at them throughout the lifespan, versus women.
	And most women must share certain characteristics with each other.
	In this case, youthfulness.
	Right, youth.
	So youthful men.
	But that's women, not men.
	Unless you identify as a woman, I can't rate you based off of that.
	No, you can, because we have in that same study what?
	What most women find attractive, don't we?
	No, so that actually.
	Same age bracket, don't we?
	Right, right.
	So to me, again, so that makes it, it makes it my personal opinion because I am of a certain age.
	Now, if I was of another age, let's say I was a 50-year-old woman, like, I don't know, however old your wife is, then I might find you more attractive at that age than a younger woman looking at you because it's a different age bracket.
	Women integrate with age.
	Men just stay the same.
	They find 21 to 23 the most attractive throughout all age groups.
	Women's men.
	Do you think that most people would think, okay, here.
	Do you think most people would think a Tyrannosaurus Rex was big?
	How does that have to do?
	Can you answer my question?
	Do you think most people would think a Tyrannosaurus Rex was big?
	Yes.
	How are you making that value assessment?
	You don't have any data for it whatsoever.
	There's not a single study you've read where people were polled about whether or not a Tyrannosaurus Rex was big.
	Hey, on, stop, stop.
	Let me finish.
	This is illogical.
	Stop, stop.
	There's not anything you have to base that on other than you have an assessment and you think most people would agree with this assessment and you think most people would think X.
	But for some reason, you can't apply that same standard here.
	Tell me why.
	Because that is in, again, a comparison between a large group of people, right?
	Just like you were saying, a large group of people would not want to be murdered.
	Yes, that is an easy thing to understand.
	A large group of people who are average in height would be much smaller than a T-Rex.
	It doesn't even matter if you're the tallest human being.
	You're going to be smaller than a T-Rex.
	So that is something that can be seen from an objective scale.
	Now, subjectively, I can tell you how to do it.
	It's not objective.
	Big isn't objective.
	Big is subjective.
	What is big to you is not big, but human beings are.
	But we can make a value assessment of what most people, you don't have any data to prove what most people would find to be big.
	You just make the value assessment.
	For some reason, though, you can't say what most people, you think what most people would find attractive, even though you yourself, in this case, actually have data for it, which would be youth.
	Men are attracted to youth, if that's the case.
	Right.
	They develop all sorts of shared features.
	Okay.
	I can speak from my age bracket for me.
	Yes, that would be something where you can make it more objective: women my age bracket would not find a man as your age as attractive as a man within the four years that they are in.
	Whether it's 21, whether it's 26, it doesn't matter.
	Like, they are going to find somebody more attractive that is within their age bracket.
	scientifically proven now I cannot tell you you can make value assessments on behalf of other people Look at that.
	Within my age bracket.
	That is.
	Well, I mean, whatever.
	When I say most women, right?
	You're beautiful.
	Is that what you would like to hear?
	You can make an association between all women in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, and still in your head, go over some type of general average you think would be reasonable.
	So if I say I'm a 10, and you say, well, for me, you're not 10.
	For me, you're not 10.
	And I say, well, what do you think most people would think?
	That's a great impression of my voice.
	Thank you so much.
	I say, what do you think most people would think?
	Well, I'm sorry.
	You're right.
	It was a bad impression.
	What do you think most people would think?
	Thank you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I appreciate that.
	Now I'm trying to.
	Is that better for you?
	That's great.
	What do you think most people would think?
	I think most people would think that.
	From the testimony of the company.
	No, you don't have to.
	You didn't even have to do the impression.
	I already nailed it.
	Thank you.
	I already nailed it.
	Like, you didn't even have to.
	You know, it's funny because we were having a discussion earlier and you were being very kind, but after that last discussion, you've gotten a lot more aggressive.
	people don't like to answer direct questions they like to do what they do is they do what in your boat you would call like a motorboat right Where it goes like this.
	It goes everywhere except straight because you have waves.
	That's called a motorboat.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So what happens is, have you ever tried to drive a motorboat before?
	Yes, I have.
	You can't keep it straight on the water, not when there's waves.
	And so the thing is, is like, what's going on here is the same thing.
	When I ask you a direct question, you obfuscate, you go to everything except answering the question.
	And I don't do that to you.
	So yes, it's frustrating for me.
	I answered in a subjective way.
	I cannot answer objectively.
	I have not done a poll of these women.
	The data that I'm basing my claims off of are thousands of women and thousands of men.
	I cannot objectively create a poll of how attractive you are.
	Maybe if I did that on social media, we could see.
	I'm asking from your subjective metric what you think most women would think.
	Subjective.
	Okay, so that's different.
	That's different.
	That's not what you're saying.
	That's what I asked you originally.
	That was not what you originally said.
	And if it was, then we miscommunicated, and I apologize for my side of that.
	So anyway, so that's my question.
	Okay, so what would I rate you?
	That's your question.
	What do you think most women from your subjective metric would rate me?
	Okay, from my subjective metric, I would give you a five.
	And that's also, if we talk about how you've been berating women, I'd give you a four because personality increases.
	What does that have to do with my looks?
	It's the expression on your face.
	Nothing has nothing to do with looking at it.
	Yes, it does.
	Nothing.
	Yes, it does.
	Self-respect and respect towards others does have to be aware of myself.
	Hold on.
	I've never spoken.
	I have never spoken, right?
	You've never spoken.
	You've spoken this whole time.
	You've been a little bit more than that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	How can it be that the value assessment of looks goes up if a person has never said a word?
	No, no, no.
	If somebody is a kind human being and they have a good personality, that automatically increases their points.
	That's literally proven.
	Charisma.
	What does that have to do with anything about looks?
	Looks, how you look.
	It shows on your face what type of personality you have.
	What does that have to do with how a person looks at?
	How you hold your face.
	It's like talking to a wall.
	What does it have to do with how a person looks?
	Andrew, now you're a three, okay?
	You're losing points.
	All right.
	Are we going to get into the negatives?
	Wait, so I'm just a little bit confused, though.
	You made a statement about how, but because he's been bombarding, that's not the exact word to use, bombarding these women.
	So wait, just to be clear, simply, he's been disagreeing with people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's been pretty.
	So the original conversation, I will say you were very kind.
	And it started off, it was positive.
	But then by the end of it, you were very impolite and not allowing anybody to actually say that.
	So I don't consider politeness or nor do I consider niceness to be a virtue.
	Okay, that's fine.
	So it was my subjective view on your looks.
	And I take that into account.
	I'm not going to consider it to be virtuous.
	If you were a man, this is my virtue.
	Hey, we're just going to keep going.
	There's not going to be a solution.
	Mrs. I love equality.
	Am I allowed to talk back or no?
	Yes, sir.
	So Mrs. I Love Equality.
	If you're a man sitting right there, talk to you exactly the same.
	Okay.
	And the only difference is you wouldn't care because you'd actually answer my questions.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Honestly, yeah, let's end this conversation.
	All right.
	Shay, that was great.
	You want chivalry?
	I'll end it on a good note.
	So I'm going to read a chap, but I have a follow-up thing on this.
	Lucas, actually, you know what, Michaela, go for it.
	Me.
	Yeah, she can read it.
	And yet again, an amalgam of vapid ineptitude combined with diluted and unearned high self-esteem.
	Okay, bubble bursting time.
	Each and every one of you ranks as nothing more than a mediocre.
	Wow.
	All right, Lucas coming in hot.
	Well, we did have a 10, a 9, a 10, and a 10.
	So pretty high.
	You know, I'm a pretty good casting director getting like the most beautiful wind job, Brian.
	I'm good.
	The most gorgeous, the most gorgeous in the world.
	You always find them right here on whatever.
	That you know what?
	I need some more, you know, maybe I'll hire somebody.
	I mean, we need some background characters, you know, so we'll see.
	But you do have one man here who's a 10.
	So, I mean, that is the standard.
	All other men are held.
	Andrew, that is true.
	I mean, to be fair, Andrew, without the beard, I downgrade you to a nine from a 10.
	That's what I was saying.
	You need to get the beard back, okay?
	All right, just saying.
	This is an absolutely biased opinion.
	I will not have a beard.
	I'm insulted this way by you, Brian.
	All right.
	I apologize.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, wait a second.
	Hang on.
	Now, now I'm being mean again, right?
	That's me being mean.
	I saw Tone Police, Miss Tone Police back there shaking her head.
	Look, I'm sorry, Tom Police.
	I'm sorry.
	I made a joke.
	It's okay.
	Calm down.
	We do have a message from Rachel Wilson, Andrew Wilson's wife.
	When Andrew finally, oh, we should do a Rachel Wilson cameo.
	When Andrew finally loses his cool a bit after three hours of trying to get you to answer a simple question in a straightforward way, you accuse him of being difficult.
	Wow, no self-awareness.
	That's from Rachel Wilson, Andrew Wilson's wife.
	Maybe, maybe a cameo later, Andrew?
	Yeah, you know, that's the thing that gets me, right?
	It's like, I actually hold you women to your same standards, right?
	So I literally hold you to your same standard.
	I agree with you that you deserve to be treated with respect.
	So, what I want to do is ask you straightforward questions and get straightforward answers.
	And I'll do the exact same to you.
	This is how I communicate with every man on planet Earth.
	For reasons I don't understand, immediately, if the hey, is this true?
	Goes, well, it could be because based on it, it's like, no, you don't believe any of that shit.
	Just give me the actual answer.
	Somehow, that's not being nice or that's not being polite.
	Yet, when I talk to men, this problem doesn't exist.
	It's almost like there's a standard which they're holding that they think women should be held to as opposed to standards men should be held to, which is why I don't believe in this equality shit.
	I don't believe it.
	I just don't believe them personally.
	What I do want to get into here is there are a couple tens at the table.
	Do you guys think those of you who ranked yourself at 10, and we did have one nine, so the nine gets to jump into?
	Do you guys think that all women are tens?
	No, no, into the mics, guys.
	No, no, no.
	Okay, that's good.
	Anybody, does anybody think all women are tens?
	Anybody going once?
	Going twice?
	Can you point it?
	Okay, can you point at any woman at the table, Ashley, who's not a 10 woman at the table who's not a 10?
	Go ahead and point at her.
	Just anyone will do.
	Just a single one would be okay.
	No, it's fine.
	Just one.
	Yeah, I'm going to go get another beer.
	All right.
	Equality.
	Oh, my God.
	We don't want to be held to a different standard.
	Oh, my God.
	We're going to do a follow-up question on this.
	So, do you think some of you said 10, 9, so you're very attractive right now?
	But moving into the future, do you think you will be better looking, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Michaela, you're 22.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 32?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about 20 years' time, 42?
	Yeah.
	Okay, 30 years' time, 52.
	Better looking.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I feel like I'm just getting on better looking.
	40, sure, 40 years' time, 62.
	Yeah, sure.
	50 years' time, 72.
	Yeah.
	I took some milk.
	Okay.
	60 years' time, 82.
	Yeah.
	70 years' time, 92.
	Yeah.
	80 years' time, 102.
	Yeah, I'm coming.
	No, you're still, yeah, I know you're still alive.
	Are you more attractive?
	When's your peak?
	When are you going to peak?
	Like, attractive as in, like, my physically, like, look, look better.
	Yeah.
	She just walked all the way up to 100.
	She's going to be hot.
	She's going to be hot.
	That's fantastic.
	Like, in the nursing home, just like knocking on the Alzheimer's.
	Not like attractive as in, like, like, so there's no personality in it at all.
	Or like, no, better look.
	Just look.
	Yeah.
	When's your peak?
	Like, 72 or I don't.
	Maybe 30.
	30.
	30.
	Okay, so backtracked a little bit.
	A little backtrack.
	Just a little 70-year backtrack.
	All right, 30 years old.
	All right, you're 20, better looking in 10 years' time at 30?
	No, maybe like five years, but not 10.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You're 20 years old, better looking in 10 years' time at 30?
	Yeah, probably.
	I probably have some plastic surgery by then.
	What if you didn't have the plastic surgery?
	Still better looking?
	Probably not.
	Okay, but we'll keep with the plastic surgery.
	20 years' time at 40.
	I'll still look good, but I won't look better, probably not.
	Yeah, and just clarification, you can still be attractive 30, 40, 50.
	You know, that's not what I'm saying.
	There's plenty of women attracted, but it's like a comparison to how you look now versus 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
	You'll be better looking.
	So 20 years' time at 40?
	Yes, no?
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 23, Shelby.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 33.
	Yeah.
	Better looking in 20 years' time, 43.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 20 years old, better looking in 10 years' time at 30.
	Yeah.
	Better look, 20 years' time, 40.
	Yeah.
	30 years.
	Past like 40.
	I feel like right there.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	40 better than 30 or 30 better than 40?
	30 better than 40.
	Okay, but 40 still better than 20.
	No, actually, no, let me go back.
	40, 40.
	Sorry.
	Wait, oh, 40.
	Okay.
	Not 40.
	Not 50, though.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You're 20, you're, wait, hold on.
	I'm 30.
	You're 33.
	Sorry, I got numbers mixed up.
	You're 33, better looking in 10 years' time at 43?
	Probably not.
	Okay, and you're 33.
	Are you better looking now at 33 than you were at 23?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You're 25, better looking in 10 years' time at 35?
	Yeah.
	20 years' time, 45?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	You're 21, better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
	Yes, but after 35, no.
	Okay, is 35 the peak?
	I would think, yeah, by 35, I would start to be as attractive.
	And then you're 28, better looking in 10 years' time at 38?
	No, but MILF energy still.
	I took some MILF.
	All right.
	And then you're 28, better looking 10 years ago at 18.
	I'm better looking now.
	Better looking now.
	But going back to you, you seem to acknowledge that you cited a study that they did where men found women between, I think you said, what is it, 18 to 23?
	24.
	I know that contradicts.
	We're 20 to 24.
	Yeah, so on that, personally, I think that I right now am not as fit as I will be at that age because I plan on circumnavigating.
	So I'll be on my boat full-time.
	I'll be fishing.
	I'll be diving.
	I'll be doing my own work on the whole.
	So I'll be a lot more fit since I'll be making all my own food.
	I'll have to garden off the back of my boat.
	And I just think that lifestyle, I will be at the point where I'm going to be more attractive physically because it's such manual labor that I will have more muscle mass and I'll be more.
	What about all the sun exposure?
	Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say.
	I was like, I also make my own sunblock.
	So I'm right now you can see how white I am.
	I mean, even with sunblock, there are going to be some like aging.
	Yeah, by 50.
	By 50, for sure.
	That's why I said 35.
	Like, I think 35, that's also, you have to realize, like, as women get older, they start to lose muscle mass.
	So that's something that I think will make me less attractive, right?
	Your skin gets a little bit looser unless you do something to fix that and you lose muscle mass.
	So I am real about that.
	And I think, yeah, once I, you know, start to age, I'm not going to be as attractive after 35.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Damien, do we have, how many batches do we have?
	One or two?
	You know what?
	We have used technology to age all of you forward.
	And we're going to review some photos.
	And we're going to see.
	You know, you better look in.
	Some of you said, I mean, over here, 102, she's going to be sugar spice, everything nice.
	So let's pull it up.
	That's not bad.
	That's really not bad.
	That's, you know.
	What age is that Telsu?
	Oh, no.
	Check some MILF.
	That's like 40, 50, maybe.
	And you said you're going to be like babe status till 100 something.
	When I'm at the retirement home, I'll come find you.
	All right.
	All right, there you go.
	All right.
	Next.
	Whoa.
	Wait, hold on.
	You kind of became white.
	I don't know what happened.
	You look like a white woman.
	I don't remember.
	I mean, I get it.
	Okay, never mind.
	Next.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	What the fuck?
	It's so bad.
	What happened with the jaw on the back?
	Go back to it.
	No, it's racism.
	It's racism.
	There's no way.
	I'm not going to look like that.
	One sec.
	Mike doesn't cry.
	I'm not going to look like that.
	Go back to Michaela.
	So I'm going to have each of you pick more attractive, younger picture or more attractive aged.
	Oh, yeah, my younger, my younger attitude.
	More attractive?
	Okay, next.
	Younger.
	Younger self, more attractive here.
	Okay, next.
	I think.
	Which one's more attractive?
	Oh, my God.
	Younger.
	Okay, next.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Pick a trailer part.
	Younger.
	That actually looks realistic.
	Which one more attractive?
	Ouch.
	No, like that.
	I think she's going to look better than that.
	She's going to look better, but it looks real.
	Which one?
	The younger one.
	Okay.
	Next.
	These are awkward.
	You don't know.
	You look younger.
	She looks like a little bit of a little bit of younger.
	Look how photogenic everybody is.
	Why do I look like, no, that gave me like muffin paste.
	Like, it looks like a woman.
	Where did your jaw go?
	There's something going on with the darker-skinned women.
	The jaw is not working.
	It's not registering for some reason.
	Next.
	Oh, she looks like a sweet.
	You look like you make really good cookies.
	I feel like really good.
	She still got that lesbian energy.
	That is what I'm talking about.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Aww.
	Dang, girl.
	That's not bad.
	Which one's, which one do you think is more attractive?
	I think younger.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I want to see it.
	Yeah, that was horrible.
	What did it do to my that's not bad?
	That's not bad.
	It's not even bad.
	Looks like you have Botox on your forehead.
	Yeah, I just got a big wait.
	Is there a difference?
	No, there's none, actually.
	Which one's a bit?
	There's a bit.
	Man, you have the best one so far.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right.
	I mean, yeah, okay.
	Surfer chicken.
	Next.
	Oh, you're so good.
	That's my name.
	Does she look a bit like Britney Spears a little bit?
	A little bit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	And then next.
	In college, they would just scream, Britney.
	Let's see it.
	Oh, my God.
	You look like you look like the Dr. Anatomy, Silver Maw.
	Oh my God.
	That right there.
	McDree.
	Oh, my God.
	Here we go, Andrew.
	Oh, my God.
	Next.
	Of course.
	Oh, the natural aging process.
	Do you have another batch?
	That was it.
	Okay, check if another one comes through.
	All right.
	We have, I'm going to have Bella read this one.
	Go ahead, Bella, from Lucas.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	Props Brian always bringing tens.
	Cavaloo.
	Cavalcade.
	Of the face that launched a thousand ships.
	All hello.
	Helens of Troy.
	Of Troy.
	Crew.
	Come on, you know how to say this.
	You know the second thing.
	Oh, circum.
	There you go.
	Ah, you're too slow here.
	I'll pull it back up.
	I'm literate.
	Looks like we got ourselves a snowflake.
	Fernand Michelle.
	I don't know.
	Who's roasting with us?
	This is like a fake roast.
	What is a Ferdinand?
	Who is that?
	And also, isn't Snowflake a liberal?
	I guess a conservative could be a Snowflake.
	I think a Snowflake isn't.
	W's in the chat for Lucas, man.
	Like someone who's easy.
	Does anyone know who that is?
	Ferdinand?
	I don't learn about him in school.
	I know who Helen of Troy is.
	I need to do a couple shout-outs here super quick.
	Guys, if you want to support without a cut being taken, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.
	Colin, thank you for the 10.
	If you were not doing the pod, do you have any trade skills?
	I don't.
	Harrison Douglas, thank you for the five on Venmo Fishing LOL.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right, guys, we are going to actually wait the whole.
	Wait, hold on.
	I have a question for you.
	Go for it.
	For the male guest, actually.
	I've been kind of taking some notes as you've been kind of issuing out some of your arguments.
	One of the things you said, I think I may take disagreement with, you brought up that you think that young women should be attached to finance.
	Wait, sorry, one thing I gotta do.
	I gotta interrupt really quick.
	I'll let that conversation go.
	Canute raided with a yo, Knut.
	I know who you are, man.
	He's like a shredded bodybuilder guy.
	Also, I think he plays World of Warcraft.
	Yo, thank you so much for the raid, man.
	Appreciate it.
	This guy's like a streamer OG.
	Really appreciate the raid, dude.
	I didn't know you watched the podcast.
	Thank you so much, man.
	We also got a bodybuilder here.
	Maybe you know him.
	Do you know Knut?
	I don't know.
	Give him a double buy.
	I can't even see what he's doing.
	Fuck, bruv.
	Oh my.
	There we go.
	Yo, thank you so much for the raid, man.
	We're actually, we are talking about nothing to do with bodybuilding or World of Warcraft.
	I don't know what he is.
	Yo, hold on.
	I'll pull up the Twitch chat.
	What was he streaming?
	The Raiders from Canute.
	First off, Knut.
	Am I saying his name right?
	Am I saying his name right?
	Let me do a shout out.
	Shout out.
	Canute.
	What was he streaming, Twitch chat?
	What was he streaming?
	Tell me.
	Newt, yes, Knut is right.
	He was arguing with AI.
	Somebody in the chat says, drop the cycle, blonde guy.
	100%.
	He was lifting in the gym.
	Oh, he mostly does IRL.
	I think I was watching the OnlyFans meeting from a couple days ago, and I saw him.
	I think I saw him.
	He was like the rip guy in the beanbag.
	Yeah, I saw him.
	Yo, Knute, man.
	Really appreciate the raid.
	Anyways, back to it.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	I just wanted to shout it out just because it came in right then and there.
	The show must go on.
	Show must go on.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Show must go on.
	So when you were talking earlier, one point of agreement that you seem to have quite a bit is that young women should focus on choosing based on finance.
	I think that it's okay for them to do that.
	Yeah.
	I don't have anything against.
	They should do that.
	You agreed that they should.
	I think that they should choose someone who has the ability to provide for them.
	Yeah.
	I agree that.
	Maybe I shouldn't say should.
	I don't think that there is a moral problem with a woman deciding to be with a man because of his financial situation.
	That's how it should be.
	Sure, is it?
	Sure.
	Do you think, though, that that's extremely valuable to a woman to be with a man who's financially set?
	Do I think it's extremely valuable?
	I think it's valuable.
	Yeah.
	I think it is very valuable.
	Yeah, I agree.
	So my question is, don't you think that young people are really stupid when it comes to money and the assessment of money and the assessment of a future planning for themselves when it comes to money?
	Most young men, yes, 100%.
	Then why wouldn't you promote arranged marriages?
	I actually, that's really funny that you get into that because I am not completely opposed to arranged marriages.
	I really don't have, I don't have that big of a problem with it.
	In fact, my mom teases me about that because she says, Brandon, we'll just have to get an arranged marriage for you.
	Yeah, so you're not opposed to arranged marriage.
	I'm not completely opposed to it, considering the person that chooses the match does, you know, knows, I would say knows both the parties and understands good matchmaking.
	I would, honestly, I would be afraid I would get set up with someone that I wouldn't want to be with, but then again, that is the downside of arranged marriages.
	Well, the father and mother would be the chooser, right?
	Yeah, and I think my parents do a pretty good job.
	What if they can't agree?
	Who gets to make the ultimate decision?
	Definitely my dad.
	Your dad.
	So then ultimately you would be a patriarchist, right?
	Yes.
	Well, then that word is loaded with the money.
	Why all this talk of egalitarianism from you tonight?
	Why all of this equalization talk from you?
	What are you talking about, the egalitarian?
	What have I said that was equality?
	Well, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no, you go ahead.
	You can not pro-equality in terms of, yeah, like the discussion that was going on earlier.
	I think that you were right when you say that Christianity is patriarchal.
	And I very much agree with the church's decision to not have females in the clergy.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I wanted to get some of these.
	So here's the thing, right?
	You've been somewhat, okay, I'm not going to lie to you, right?
	You've been a bit attacked in these chats because, well, one, they don't know you.
	And we haven't really gotten a chance to get to any of your positions.
	And I think now is a good time to actually get to some of those positions.
	That's where you are.
	Yeah, so you are a patriarchist.
	You do believe in arranged marriage.
	You do think that that's actually a good idea.
	It's not the worst thing.
	We come down to an arranged marriage.
	It should be the father who chooses.
	Yeah, I would say that that could be the case.
	Yeah.
	Gals at the table, can I just get a raise of the hand from any of you who would agree with that?
	Nobody's agreeing with that one.
	Nobody.
	Oh, wow.
	You got one?
	For business reasons?
	For business reasons.
	I guess they're good.
	Can you not have that?
	What?
	You want to expand on that?
	I have to think about it a little bit, but two families coming together for the greater good.
	I just, putting all your work and blood together, and money is part of that.
	And who you marry into is important.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I just wanted to, you know, it's nice to get your positions out there a little bit.
	You know what I mean?
	There's been quite a bit of crosstalk, and it seemed like there was a lot of ground given when we would get to kind of the uh the talk of egalitarianism.
	But it's hard to determine from the listener standpoint if this is an internal critique you're doing or if these are positions you hold.
	And so, there's a good chance for you to expound on those positions.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, for sure.
	No, I think that the man is the patriarch of the family.
	I think that he has the overall say.
	I think that society in general should be based more around the nuclear family and the man assuming those positions.
	I think that we've steered away from that.
	I think that it ultimately points us in the direction of chaos as women become more masculinized and men become more feminized.
	Part of my job, you know, as a fitness coach and with a lot of the guys that I work with, I honestly just help them become more masculine and sort of take on more masculine roles.
	I encourage them, you know, as a coach to go out there and try to become more of a man so that we can continue to advance society in the right direction.
	Because I think there's been a lot of chaos with equality, and I, yeah, I don't, I don't agree with equality.
	I don't think there's anything before Brian moves on.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	I understand how this always seems to the guests, but because there's so many people here, you try to get to all of them.
	So, just kind of my last question is: ultimately, if we were to ultimately reduce your worldview to like some semblance of a thing that we could easily make palatable to everybody who's listening, it sounds like you're on the kind of Christian nationalist, also patriarchy camp.
	Would that be correct?
	I would say that that is correct.
	Can I ask you a question?
	What am I getting roasted for in the chat?
	I'm genuinely interested.
	What's the biggest thing?
	Well, listen, you have to understand that if people don't know you and you have thousands upon thousands of people watching you, not everybody always understands the distinction between if you're doing an internal criticism, meaning you say, Hey, let's dive into these views.
	I agree with this, I don't agree with this, versus your actual stance.
	Do you understand?
	Gotcha.
	Yeah, thank you for giving me the opportunity to sort of put that out there.
	Yes, I'm very pro-patriarchy.
	I'm not pro-equality, and yeah, I'm a Christian nationalist is an extreme way of putting it, but yeah, I definitely do think overall, you know, this nation should return to basic Christian values.
	I was raised, my dad's a pastor, so he's a pastor, Presbyterian pastor, and I went to school and I studied, you know, Christian apologetics and things along those lines.
	Oh, that's that's my case.
	Well, we got we got that out of the way.
	There you go.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	Can I have you read this, Michaela?
	Oh, boy.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	Before it disappears.
	Holy shit.
	The level of illiteracy.
	Magellan was the first man to circumnavigate the globe.
	You are a snowflake.
	You're a button hurt because Andrew isn't nice.
	He's direct, pointed, and forthright.
	That's laughable.
	Laudable.
	Oh, okay.
	Laudable.
	Yeah.
	Quick response.
	Quick, quick response, please.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm sorry that I also hurt your feelings, apparently, because you felt the need to put that in the chat.
	But I didn't know who the first person was who circumnavigated, so thank you for that.
	That's good knowledge to have.
	Thank you.
	But just also, it's just Magellan.
	Yeah, okay.
	Magellan.
	What?
	Okay.
	I don't understand.
	No, you're just a little solipsistic.
	Like, I feel like you think everything is directed to you or about you.
	But I was actually directing.
	I'm not a mother snowflake.
	I was making the Magellan.
	Just forget it.
	Just forget it.
	I didn't follow that one.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Pull up Twitch really quick because I just want to shout out Twitch.
	Yo, guys, if you're still here from Canute, thank you again for the raidman.
	There it is, Knut.
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	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you, thank you.
	All right, let's get back into it.
	We have a lot to get over, so I'm going to try to do it as quickly as possible.
	Let's go to Mecca.
	Mecca, you said, why do guys think that just because you had something casual with them, that you want to move things further?
	Like, can we keep things chill?
	No label, be cool, not looking for anything more.
	Yeah, because I feel like some guys, like, if you think they're cute or like you hooked up with them, I feel like they think as a girl, like you're more emotionally attached.
	And it's like, no, you're just cute.
	That's it.
	That's all.
	Like, I don't want to be anything with you.
	I don't want to further this.
	But like, I feel like they get that, like, they're like, you know, you want to keep talking to them.
	It's like, yeah, we can still be friends, but that's it.
	Are you saying that you're using men for sex and they're having a moment?
	They think that's us too.
	I mean, no.
	I get the problem when they're like, well, they like automatically think that I think, or girls in general, think that, oh, she wants more.
	It's like, no.
	Do you think that the assumption is correct that most women tend to pair bond with men, obviously, like during sex?
	And that's why they expect the woman to become more emotionally attached?
	Or do you not believe that that's a fair assumption?
	I mean, I've met girls like that, but I've also met girls like that have the same idea as me as like you can still like hook up or like be casual and like leave it at that.
	Would you say that that's a masculine quality for a woman to have to use a man, to want to use someone for sex?
	I guess.
	I never really thought about it that way, but because you know guys women are becoming hyper masculine.
	Can I say something here from a scientific perspective?
	Women actually release oxytocin when they have sex with somebody once they've had sex three times versus men don't.
	So it is true that women will be bonded to a man.
	You know, whether or not you actually give into that and you like force yourself to not have that, your brain's still going to release the oxytocin if you've slept with a man for more than three times.
	Versus men don't have that reaction.
	Actually, sometimes if they have sex with a woman and they're not in love with them, yeah, they have the opposite reaction where they no longer find that woman attractive, which is a very if I sleep with a woman, she releases it on the first time.
	Brian, you're a virgin, Brian.
	Stop it.
	Yes.
	What do you say?
	Do you feel more empowered by going around and sleeping with men and then sort of almost getting back at them and sort of using them for sex because girls so often use men for sex?
	Heaven forbid these men want a relationship.
	Oh my God, these fucking scums.
	They're terrible people.
	These fucking scumbags.
	Wanting a relationship with you, Mecca?
	Fuck those guys.
	Wait, fuck those arts.
	Jesus is shit.
	You're a single mother, aren't you?
	So you're a single...
	Wait, you are, right?
	Yeah, so you're a single mother and you're not looking for, like, actively not looking for a relationship.
	Yeah, no, I don't even like hook, but I'm like saying that as like when I was like younger, like I noticed like a lot of guys be like, they think you want more.
	And it's like, no, like we could just, you know, fucking move on.
	From all of my experiences with single mothers, I feel like they are.
	No, I can tell you.
	With 100% certainty, every single single mother that I have had an interaction with was desperate to be in a relationship.
	That's a personal thing.
	So I can say that you are – I get hit up by single moms a lot.
	I can genuinely say you are the first single mother I have ever met that wasn't actively looking to get into her yeah because I feel like for me also it's like I don't want to introduce another guy into my kids' life that because I would have to like get to know you for like a good while because that's just like a different level.
	But don't you think that the kid having a father figure is well she still has her dad just because we're not together.
	Okay, so they you guys split the time?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So she does have a father figure.
	Okay, but you obviously broke it off with this man because you thought that he had characteristics that you didn't like that you didn't really want to continue to be associated with.
	So why would you let that rub off on your daughter instead of going out and actively seeking to find like a masculine man that can be a good person?
	That's funny.
	People ask me that question.
	Well, I broke off with my kid's dad because he cheated.
	So people always say, oh, you're not a good example.
	I'm like, well, I wouldn't want my daughter to stay with someone that cheated on her, especially while you're pregnant, dealing with like being a mom for like the first four months.
	I wouldn't want my kids to go through that.
	So wouldn't you want to find another man that wouldn't do that, that would instill those values in your child?
	Yeah, but that's not my priority right now.
	And also, like, you don't have a kid, right?
	No, I do not.
	So I feel like once you do have a kid, you're kind of.
	I am the virgin Brandon.
	That's like the people you want around your kid.
	You don't want everyone around your kid.
	Like, you wouldn't want everyone around your kid.
	You wouldn't want just any guy meeting your kid all.
	So you'd have to vet them.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, of course.
	Do you think that I have a question for you?
	Do you think your kid would approve or would you approve of your kid being who you are right now, going out and like sleeping with guys and not looking for a relationship?
	Is it a daughter?
	It's a son, right?
	It's a girl.
	It's a girl.
	Okay, so perfect.
	That fits the analogy.
	Would you want your daughter going out and sleeping with multiple men not looking for a relationship?
	If she wants to do that, if she wants to just, who am I to tell her?
	No, she's going to be a grown woman.
	You think you'll say that when you're older?
	When she's out there doing that exact same thing?
	Do you think you'll give her that advice?
	She's over 18 and it's consensual and she can fuck who she wants to fuck.
	I don't give God.
	That's very interesting.
	It's just interesting.
	What do you think for, just a quick question.
	Like, let's say that you were with a good man.
	What do you think he would say?
	Wait, what?
	If you were with a good man, right, who was like an excellent role model for your daughter, what do you think he would say?
	My dad's a good idea.
	My kid's dad or the guy, the new person?
	No, no, that's not what I asked.
	Listen closely what I'm asking.
	If you were with a very good man, what do you think his response to the same question you were just asked would be?
	I don't think he could say anything because that's not his kid.
	So I wouldn't even allow him to be in that place of saying to her.
	So then if you were with a good man, you would say that the good man's place was not to tell his stepdaughter not to be promiscuous?
	I feel like a good man for me would have the same ideas and belief.
	I'm not sure why that triggered again, but okay.
	A good man to me would like someone that's like like-minded and thinking.
	If I don't care what my kid's doing and that's not your kid, you shouldn't care either.
	Well, why would he ever want to be in the position to be a stepfather to your kid if he was not in a position of authority?
	Well, to a certain extent, but well, what extent?
	He's not allowed to have input on her promiscuous lifestyle.
	If she's over 18, no, because she's an adult.
	Why not?
	She can make her own decision.
	I'm sorry.
	Do you have a mom in your life?
	Yeah.
	Does she give you advice?
	Yeah.
	Aren't you over 18?
	That doesn't mean I have to listen.
	Yeah, I asked what he would say, not if she would listen.
	Is it your mom's place when she gives you all that unasked advice that you don't fucking care about?
	Where you're like, shut up, mom.
	I'm tired of hearing this.
	I hate enough, mom.
	Enough.
	Get out of my business, mom.
	No, but she doesn't care.
	She gets in your business anyway because she loves you, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So don't you think a good man would do the same thing?
	Yeah, but most parents don't really, like, I don't talk to mom, like, she doesn't ask me about like sex and stuff.
	Like, but every parent and a child has like a well, hang on.
	Is it that she wouldn't care, or is it that you omit it?
	Like, if you went to your mom and you were like, hey, mom, you know, like, I've been sleeping with a lot of dudes.
	Would she be like, yeah, you should stop doing that?
	She would probably be like, girl, why are you telling me this?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	She wouldn't give you advice, like, stop doing that?
	She would probably just say, are you being safe about it?
	But she wouldn't, she's not like, you know, like that to say anything like negative about it.
	Do you think that that's good parenting?
	I mean, yeah, I mean, it's not really her place.
	I mean, where does her place end?
	What do you mean?
	Well, like, do you ever call your mom and go, hey, I fucked up and I need some money?
	Or hey, I fucked up and I need a place to stay.
	Or, hey, I need some help with this.
	Or hey, mom, can you help me with this?
	And you should do that because you're my mom.
	Sometimes.
	Yeah, but isn't the expectation the same if you're the kid?
	You hold the dignity and the charity of the entire family.
	And so our name lives on through you.
	So I have certain expectations for you.
	Isn't that totally reasonable too?
	Yeah, but what goes on, like that type of stuff, that's not really like public information, so it doesn't really matter.
	I need a final point on this.
	All right.
	What I'm saying is, is that I think a good parent, step parent or not, if the answer is, what would the stepdad say if you're asked the same question?
	He was a good man.
	Your response is the same thing as me.
	I wouldn't stop her from being promiscuous and doing bad life decisions and things like that.
	I would say the opposite is true.
	If you had a good man, a good man, that he would say, no, don't be promiscuous.
	Stop doing all of this behavior.
	It's bad for you and bad for everybody else.
	I think that would be good parenting, adult or not.
	By the way, wouldn't you say, I would say that to somebody who wasn't my kid, who was an adult, right?
	What's actually wrong with that?
	Well, how is exploring her sexuality, how would that be bad per se?
	If she's doing it safe and consensually, how would that be bad?
	If she wants to sleep and, you know, discover what's nice if she doesn't like it.
	Using a question.
	If you don't, here, very quickly, Brian, if you have zero sex, zero, none, what are your chances of contracting a sexually transmitted disease?
	None, obviously.
	What are your chances of getting pregnant?
	None.
	Okay, so then any sex is actually unsafe sex, isn't it?
	Well, not if you're using protection.
	No, even if you're using protection, protection cannot work, right?
	The pill may not work.
	You could still get pregnant.
	Condoms break, right?
	The only chance that you have of 0% is what?
	None.
	None.
	Yeah, sorry.
	And I'm not trying to rag on you.
	I just think that, you know, based off of the studies, all the studies that I've seen say that if you want your child to grow up like the best, to be the most successful, to be the best person, there's usually a very positive father figure, very positive female mother figure, you know, in their life giving them direction on what to do.
	And it sounds to me like the situation that you're putting yourself in, going out and engaging with hookup culture is ultimately what leads to unplanned pregnancies and even men going out and cheating and things along these lines, just lack of like sexual control and control over your urges is ultimately what bleeds into these problems in the first place and leaves a lot of children fatherless or motherless or something like that.
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	Daya, did I say right?
	Yep.
	Daya, okay.
	You write, you're an ex-model sailor who's Christian.
	You believe in not sleeping around and hold Christian values.
	You think you could be a voice of reason to millions of girls falling down the rabbit hole of today's societal norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality.
	What do you mean by that?
	Well, that's a lot to dive into, but I'll try to be a bit more excited.
	Yeah, briefly.
	I don't think that hookup culture is positive in our society.
	I think that it's degrading our basic nuclear families.
	And I think that it's leading a lot of women to feel a false sense of empowerment when you're really giving up your power.
	I think that being abstinent, having a husband, waiting till marriage if you can, you know, that is the best option.
	I also do think that stuff, you know, like sex work, which this is going to be controversial, but I think that doing sex work, you know, is leading more towards people's addictions and sins that would be avoided if there wasn't such a large industry for that.
	You know, if there's no supply, you know, there's still going to be demand, but there's not as much access to that.
	So I think that's degrading our culture.
	When you say in the name of equality, though, in your original message that you sent, I mean, what is the equality that you object to?
	Can you go further with that?
	I don't completely understand your question.
	Well, you said, I think I could be the voice of reason to millions of girls falling down the rabbit hole of today's societal norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality.
	What components or aspects of equality do you object to?
	I don't believe that giving your body to men is making you equal.
	How does that mean?
	But how does that pertain to equality?
	Because hookup culture is encouraging women to go out and basically be it's saying take back your power, like empower yourself by sleeping around with as many men.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Back way up for me, dude.
	Yeah.
	Hookup culture.
	When you talk about culture, culture's people.
	This is not like some intangible thing, this like product of the mind that you're talking about.
	When you say hookup culture, you're talking about people.
	Yes.
	People encourage you.
	Well, so what I'm talking about is feminism.
	Feminism is ultimately what's trying to encourage women to go out.
	I think men do it too.
	Like, I think that there are men involved, but I think that ultimately feminism nowadays is encouraging women, go take power of your own body, sleep with whoever you want to sleep with.
	But I want to get her position, though.
	So you said it's societal norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality.
	What in the name of equality, what equality are you objecting to?
	I don't know how a hookup culture pertains to equality.
	So women are arguing that by sleeping with men, you're taking back your power in sex, which is making that equality.
	What's that have to do with equality, though?
	Okay, so you're talking about equality in the sexual connotation, right?
	Like equality in sex.
	So since women are now sleeping with whoever they want, men have slept with whoever they wanted for centuries that they were prostitutes.
	Like that was a very common thing, but now it's the average person that is just having sex without thinking of the consequences or without having any restrictions.
	Wait, but hold on.
	But for an individual man to engage in a casual sex act, there's a corresponding woman also engaged in the casual sex act.
	There's always been equality when it comes to casual sex, because in order to have casual sex, there's two people.
	So I don't understand your prostitution, right?
	Like there were concubines, that was a thing, right?
	Throughout all of history, you can see prostitution.
	Now, women were always valued on their virtue, right?
	Like people used to literally take women and check their virginity before they could get married.
	That was a good idea.
	So wait, is that there's more prostitution, ergo, that's equality?
	No, I'm saying that.
	No, no, no, that's not my point at all.
	Now what I'm saying is that it is the average woman who is acting as the average man has act, which is not creating equality, it's breaking down the nuclear family.
	So by having women and men, you know, agree into this symbiotic relationship of hookup culture, right?
	Of sleeping with each other with no strings attached or very casually outside of the confines of marriage, it's against the Bible, so I don't agree with it because of that.
	But also, before I was even Christian, I didn't believe in hookup culture for taking back your power, which is what the feminist movement says.
	Sleeping with other men, dressing provocatively, that's going to bring back your power.
	I don't necessarily...
	But what is the goal of feminism?
	Excuse me?
	What is the goal of feminism?
	Now?
	No.
	Yeah, equality.
	Equality.
	Yes.
	So if they want equality, who do they want equality with?
	Men.
	And so this must entail that they were oppressed by who?
	Men.
	So then this would entail that you believe that women also were oppressed by men.
	So you believe that women have been oppressed by men?
	Yes.
	I see.
	Go ahead with your inquiry.
	I just wanted to get that out on the table.
	Yes, yeah, I do believe that I think in the past we weren't treated as equals.
	That's fair.
	We weren't allowed to.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, no, no, no.
	This is a little contradictory here because you're saying women were not treated as equals.
	This is unfair.
	But you're saying that today's societal norms inflicted upon women in the name of equality.
	So which is it?
	Is it equality bad or is it good?
	I don't think that people should be having sex outside of marriage.
	It's bad for different reasons.
	I think that that is not something that you should try to be equal with men.
	It's something that you should not allow that to be so mainstream in society.
	It's not that that's arguing if men and women should be equal.
	It's that I don't believe that sex outside of marriage is okay.
	Like, I don't personally agree with it.
	You know, it is a sin.
	And so that's why I've become celibate is because of that, is because of the fact that I don't believe that that's okay.
	So no, I'm not arguing about equality as a whole.
	I'm saying women, you know, now the feminist movement is arguing that if you give your body to these men, then you are taking back your power.
	And that's not taking back your power.
	You're giving it away more.
	That is not at all what is, you know, the meant outcome by that.
	You're supposed to feel empowered.
	So many women will tell you, I've had friends confine in me, you know, hey, I hooked up with this guy.
	I felt like crap after I cried.
	It's like, that is not taking back your power.
	You are giving yourself to a man.
	And that is a very serious thing.
	And that's why it's supposed to be in the confines of marriage.
	Wait, can I ask her a question?
	I think that's a very best.
	I have to move it on.
	You say you don't, you dated some top NFL, NBA, and millionaires, but ultimately ended up dating your best friend.
	So you said you dated some top NFL NBA players.
	How did you, one, how did you meet them?
	Just to.
	Can you guys not do the sidebar, please?
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Just from modeling, I did meet a lot of people that were, you know, quote-unquote high status.
	And I don't think that that's something that should be what women are going for, is what I was trying to say there.
	It's like, I found my partner who I believe will be my future husband.
	I'm sorry, you're too far from the mind.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I'm tall.
	If you can, just try to remember.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I found my partner who I believe to be my future husband in my best friend.
	You know, there were these quote-unquote high-status men that were pursuing me, and I don't think that that makes a man, you know, more eligible.
	I think that you should find somebody who you're compatible with on a mental and emotional level rather than trying to chase the status or chase the money.
	Like, I don't think that it's okay, and I know there's disagreement on the panel with that, but I don't think that you should chase a man just for money.
	You said you dated some top NFL NBA.
	How many different NFL players did you date?
	So when I say date, I mean like I went on a date with.
	I realized very recently that people have a different idea of dating than I do because I don't really, I haven't dated that many people.
	I've been in serious relationships for most of my life.
	Were you in a serious relationship with a NFL or a NBA player?
	A professional soccer player, yes, and a professional hockey player.
	You were in relationships with those were all very short.
	And I was.
	NHL?
	Was he an NHL player?
	Yeah.
	And then what's the soccer, the American player?
	I mean, he was in Portugal, so that I don't.
	Was he in the Premier League?
	Damien, do you watch like European soccer?
	And those were Portuguese.
	Those were all very short relationships.
	They were within a few months.
	I realized that I wasn't really interested in doing it.
	Was this before you were a Christian?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I did not sleep with them, if that's your question.
	You didn't sleep with any of them?
	No, I was actually celibate before I was Christian.
	Those were my morals, anyways.
	I found Christianity.
	I found Christ after, but I have always believed that this is the way.
	You also said you dated millionaires, plural?
	I mean, I live in California now, but before when I was modeling, I've been modeling since I was 16.
	And so I met a lot of high-profile people.
	Again, when I say date, I mean I went on a date with, and I realized now that that's not very clear.
	Like I've gone on multiple dates with people like this, and I've realized the only point of that message was that that's not what's important when it comes to a man.
	You should find somebody that you're compatible with.
	It doesn't matter their status.
	It doesn't matter what they look like.
	It doesn't matter their height.
	It doesn't matter, you know, how much money they have in their pocket.
	You should find somebody that you can.
	Their height doesn't matter.
	You said you're a model, right?
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'10.
	tell us your boyfriend?
	He's 6'4", but I've dated a guy who's...
	Hold up.
	I've dated a guy who was 5'4.
	So you said dated.
	Your definition of dating means a guy you went on a date with.
	Like, I could see a girl giving a 5'4 guy.
	Like, maybe you accidentally, some guys lie about their height.
	So you dated a guy, but he missed a lot of money.
	I knew his height.
	I thought it was cute.
	That's what every guy wants to hear.
	He's cute.
	But women say this shit, like, oh, height doesn't matter.
	How tall is your boyfriend?
	He's in the one percentile.
	He's in the top percentile.
	I'm in the one percentile, though.
	I'm taller than the average man.
	So you got to give me some credit there.
	When I wear heels, I'm probably taller than you.
	I'm 5'10.
	I don't care.
	That's fine.
	You're 5'10?
	yeah well yeah but like i think it's a guy taller than you could be 5 11 or six foot which is much more common than six four That's like the 90s.
	My boyfriend didn't pick his height, and I didn't pick him for his height.
	Like, I think he was my best friend for two years.
	Oh, I don't.
	And then you ask the girl, okay, how tall is all your exes?
	How tall is your current boyfriend?
	Well, I don't care about how.
	He's above, he's like in the top percentile of height.
	That's fair.
	So if you say that, but the men you end up with, oh, he's 6'4?
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	It's crazy.
	I mean, it does make it difficult with the boat because he doesn't fit head space-wise.
	Oh, yeah, you should have disqualified him.
	How is he going to live on the boat with you?
	I'm going to have to get a bigger one.
	Yeah, you got to get a bigger one.
	I'm going to have to upgrade.
	All right.
	Is he a professional athlete or no?
	No, he did play basketball, but he's not going to be.
	In college?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Now he's pretty up there.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, that's cool.
	And then what you didn't say.
	And then you said, next thing, you don't believe the girls are going to love this one.
	You don't believe makeup to be super beneficial to women.
	You live naturally, and that may offend a lot of people.
	Do you want to flesh out your position a bit?
	Like, what do you think about makeup?
	So, I mean, I make all of my own products.
	Like, I make my own laundry detergent.
	I make, sorry, I'm like way too tall for this.
	I make my own laundry detergent.
	Like, I make my own sunscreen.
	I make all my own hair care, which I've been figuring it out with curly hair.
	It's more difficult than it might seem.
	I make all of my own skincare.
	Like, everything I do, I make it myself.
	I make my own toothpaste, everything.
	And so living naturally, I've realized that a lot of the things that, you know, we put on a day-to-day basis, like this is cotton.
	So I only try to wear- Let's get to the makeup stuff though.
	Right, okay.
	So makeup is toxic chemicals, right?
	So it's literally bleeding into your body.
	It's going through your skin.
	Your skin's permeable, which isn't positive.
	You're putting all these crazy things.
	They used to put literally lead in makeup, and people, you know, dealt with that for a while.
	Yeah, that was through ignorance, though.
	Yeah, of course it was through ignorance.
	But I also, not even from a physical standpoint, don't think that that's positive for women's health.
	I also don't think that it's positive for their mental health because if every single day you have to put on makeup and then you start to see yourself and I used to wear makeup.
	I mean, I still sometimes will put on some lipstick.
	Like I now make my own stuff if I'm going to use it, but I don't regularly use it.
	When you wear makeup, you become a different.
	Are you wearing makeup?
	Are you wearing lipstick right now?
	No.
	You can see my finger.
	Well, I'm just curious.
	My lips are chapped, though.
	I was sailing yesterday.
	Okay, so you're not wearing any makeup?
	No, my whole face is.
	That's why I look so red on camera right now because my face is flushed.
	You can tell I'm not wearing foundation.
	That would be covered.
	And also the fact I just touched my cheeks and they got redder.
	So are you anti-makeup?
	Okay.
	It's okay.
	It's fine if you have that position.
	Yes.
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, Debbie's in the chat for me.
	Ladies, what do you guys think?
	I'm going to make this up to the end.
	Can I say one?
	Oh, you want to speak more?
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, one last thought.
	Okay, yeah, one last thought.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	You're a little verbose is all.
	I know I am.
	I know I am.
	You're a little verbose.
	Okay, I want to let them know.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Let's go.
	Okay.
	One more thing, then everyone else.
	Yeah, one more two thing, three thing, but okay.
	Go ahead.
	All I'm going to say is that once you've stopped wearing makeup, the first month is really bad.
	Like you feel bad about yourself because you do look better with makeup.
	It's made to make you more attractive.
	However, you start to feel more confident in your own skin when you stop wearing it because you're no longer looking in the mirror and waking up in the morning thinking, I don't look like how I want to look.
	You start to accept yourself how you are.
	And that's what I've found through it.
	Now, it might be your form of self-expression, but I've found personally that that's made me a lot more confident and comfortable with who I am.
	Any girls here at the table?
	She's anti-makeup.
	We got some pro-makeup girls here.
	I mean, some women here.
	Pro-makeup.
	Pro-makeup, Michaela, Bella.
	What do you think?
	Pro-makeup, pro-makeup.
	Anybody.
	Yeah.
	I don't think everyone's going to suffer these mental health effects of seeing themselves differently.
	Like, I don't actually wear makeup day-to-day.
	I only wear makeup when I'm going to be on camera.
	And I think I look great without makeup.
	And, you know, I don't like, I don't, like, I see where you're coming from, how it might distort some women's, like, personal image of themselves.
	But that's why I think, you know, there should probably be like a like an age to like a level of maturity to where like women start wearing makeup.
	But like, I don't think that it's just, I don't really think it's that damaging.
	I don't think it's any more damaging than wearing flattering clothes, taking it off.
	Like, I don't really.
	So if you think you look good natural, then what's the reason?
	It's just an enhancer.
	Is it enhancing for men?
	Is it enhancing for yourself?
	Both.
	To look good to other people to look good to me.
	Wait, Daya, question.
	If you were president and you could sign an executive order.
	I thought I wasn't supposed to talk anymore.
	I, I as the...
	No, no, no, he just said...
	He just said you're very verbose.
	I am verbose.
	The definition of verbose being that you often use more words than necessary to express the thought.
	Brian was simply in his own very chivalric way, just saying, we still want to hear from you.
	But perhaps we can keep it a little bit more concise.
	So concise, in fact, that I haven't said anything for a while.
	And already you're trying to cut in while I'm talking.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	So it's okay.
	Would you sign an executive order banning makeup?
	If you could.
	Really?
	No?
	No, I wouldn't.
	No.
	do you think women who wear makeup are insecure?
	I'm, I'm asking.
	Answer the question.
	Go ahead.
	It's not my position.
	I'm just asking if it's her position.
	Yeah, be honest.
	Put it out there.
	Two sides.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Either you do it for art or you don't like how you naturally make it.
	The mics just right here.
	Okay.
	I'm on a corner.
	I know, it's hard.
	There's two sides.
	Either you wear it for art or you wear it to cover or enhance something that you feel is naturally lacking.
	So I do think that, you know, if you're not wearing makeup, you feel more confident, like I said.
	And so I think that the more makeup you wear, the more you're likely to become insecure.
	And I think that it's kind of like a double-edged sword there.
	I'm not saying that every woman that wears makeup is insecure.
	That's also what's pushed on our society.
	So it really depends.
	And I know I'm giving a roundabout answer.
	I just gave a clear one before.
	But I think you can do it for art or you can do it to enhance your looks.
	And either way, you know, you're doing it for a specific reason.
	And I personally don't think that I want to do it.
	So I'm going to have the pro-makeup cartel weigh in.
	The pro-makeup delegation.
	Michaela, Bella, whoever else is pro-makeup.
	I think you said you're pro-makeup.
	You think she's full of shit?
	What do you think?
	I mean...
	What do you think, Mikayla?
	Give it to us, Michaela.
	I mean, for me personally, like, I'm really creative and I like to draw too.
	So for me, it's like doing my makeup is really soothing.
	If I feel like doing it before I leave the house, it's like it calms me.
	My ex used to say, like, he was like, I've never met a girl that, because I would literally do my makeup when I'm stressed and take it right off.
	Like, immediately, just because it's fun for me.
	I can understand that, yeah.
	So, I mean, for, yeah, for me, it has nothing to do with like confidence.
	I'm totally okay going.
	Do you know what's in your makeup?
	Like, do you know the chemicals that are in there?
	I do, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, good.
	I look up all the ingredients.
	And that's like, you're educated on the subject.
	I think a lot of women are kind of pushed into that being, you know, young kids.
	You've got kids going to Sephora now at 12.
	Yeah.
	And they're buying, you know, lipstick.
	They're buying mascaras.
	Like, you're 12.
	When I was 12, I was playing in dirt and riding on quads.
	Like, you know, it's very scary to see the younger generation that's growing up with this idea of beauty and we're pushing it onto them.
	And I personally, as a marketer, feel bad about that.
	So, but if you do it for art, that's great.
	Like, that's therapy.
	I understand that.
	Bella.
	I honestly don't think it's that serious.
	Not that serious?
	It's really not that serious.
	I feel like makeup really doesn't have anything to do with anyone's confidence.
	Just like you said, it's an art.
	It is soothing.
	It takes time to learn on top of that.
	Like, me personally, I'm confident with or without makeup.
	I only put on makeup if I have time.
	Like, it takes time as well.
	So, if I had some makeup wipes, would you take your makeup off right now?
	You know what?
	Later on in the show, we can do it.
	You down?
	Oh, I'm fine with that.
	Okay, perfect.
	We got it.
	Because I'm totally fine without makeup, but like you bringing like mental health into it, I just don't agree at all.
	She thinks her position is that if you wear makeup, you're mentally ill.
	Exactly.
	That's what it feels like.
	Michaela, Bella.
	I can't tell if you're wearing makeup.
	You got some y'all are very natural.
	You're ill.
	Thank you.
	That's what she said.
	Right.
	I didn't say that.
	No more.
	That's not my position.
	All right, that's cool.
	Why don't we get the men's perspective on this?
	Wait, would y'all date going around the table?
	Would you guys date a dude who wore makeup?
	Michaela, would you like to blush?
	A little mascara.
	Yeah, why not?
	Really?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And he curls his.
	You wouldn't be a little turned off if he's like curling his eyelashes.
	I probably might.
	The cumbrellas.
	A little.
	But like, there's like in the Korean culture, there's like makeup that's made for men.
	And they do, like, you know.
	Is that your preference, though, for a guy to wear makeup?
	I don't really mind.
	You don't mind?
	Okay.
	No, yeah.
	All right.
	I don't mind either.
	You don't mind?
	You don't mind, Bella?
	As long as it's not excessive.
	What if he wears as much as you do?
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying you're excessive.
	I'm not saying that.
	But what if it's as much as you wear?
	So he's got fake lashes.
	No.
	No.
	But he's quality.
	He wants his eyes to pop.
	Bella.
	He wants his eyes to pop.
	I feel like that's too feminine for me.
	How dare you say that?
	Wow.
	Okay.
	What about you, Shelby?
	No, but can I say something else?
	Sure.
	I think what's worse than makeup is like plastic surgery and like all the fillers and stuff because then it gives even more of like a fake facade for what the standard should be.
	Anybody here have any plastic surgery?
	Fake titties?
	What do you have?
	You have fake boobs?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	BBL?
	Anybody?
	She says.
	BBL?
	No.
	BBL?
	Boop.
	Lip filler.
	You have boob job?
	Lip filler?
	No.
	Lip filler.
	Anybody?
	Wait, hey, Brian, is there anybody on here that you think?
	Because you told me that you are able to determine the fake titty vision.
	Well, and the fake lip filler.
	Or the lip filler.
	I'd have to see their profile.
	The problem is, hang on, hang on.
	I have to see the profile.
	There's a logical issue here with this question towards Brian.
	It is my belief that perhaps Brian could not fully determine this without himself seeing them.
	Which, and of course, it would be untowards for him to make such demands.
	And the fact that you are as a Christian, you should be ashamed of that.
	Brian.
	Shameful.
	Absolutely should not in any way indulge in your sycophantic and disgusting fantasies.
	Philips.
	Because, hey, Philips, you're asking him, you're asking him with zero input and information, without the proper requisite information that anybody would need as a visual aid to make this assessment.
	You're out of bounds.
	So bad.
	I am so sorry.
	But I was referring to the rebuked.
	You just got rebuked by Andrew.
	Nice.
	So, yeah, we have, moving on, let's see here.
	We have, actually, wait, let me just double check.
	No, we're all good.
	Michaela, moving to Michaela, hot take.
	You say you have to know a guy for like over a month.
	Just your words.
	Be going on dates consistently before you'll even consider kissing him.
	A month?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's not like it's not like a strict thing, but I feel like I don't, like, I typically don't even feel like kissing a guy if I don't know him.
	I like to postpone the kiss as long as possible.
	Even if, like, I just want to post, we should have sex before even kissing.
	That's my position.
	Right?
	Yeah, Brian.
	You're so right.
	But okay, you need to be going on dates consistently.
	So what if, like, third date, he goes for the kiss?
	Do you like dodge it and give him like the ass out hug?
	You know?
	No, I think if it feels right, like that's what I'm saying.
	It's not like a super strict thing.
	Like, if it feels right, I'm going to do it.
	But I just like typically don't feel like if I have you ever had sex with someone before you've kissed them?
	No.
	Okay.
	Feel like I had to ask that question.
	Actually, I guess kind of related to this, how about bringing it a little further, though, when it comes to sex?
	Like, how long do you, I don't even know the best way to phrase this.
	Like, how long do you wait?
	This is for the whole panel.
	We'll go around the table.
	Before, like, one date, two date, three date, whatever.
	If it feels right, I don't know.
	Before having sex.
	Michaela, go ahead.
	Yeah, probably just if it feels right.
	Like whenever I'm comfortable enough.
	Has it ever felt right 30 minutes after meeting a dude?
	No.
	Not for me.
	Okay, Bella, what about you?
	Yeah, when it feels right.
	It's like an hour.
	It's typically after like maybe like 10 dates.
	Bella, come on, Brev.
	10 dates?
	You're waiting 10 dates?
	10 dates isn't a lot.
	Oh, I usually hang out with.
	You usually hang out with what?
	Like with the other person pretty often.
	So it goes by pretty fast.
	That's a lot of money.
	That's a lot of cost per nut on that one.
	This is a little degenerate.
	10 whole dates, $100 a day.
	You say, not very crazy.
	CPN.
	The ROI or whatever.
	Damn, 10 dates?
	Is that a lot?
	No, no.
	You should be chased.
	In fact, you should wait till marriage.
	Some people wait like months.
	I think like years.
	I think that I know, genuinely.
	I wait my whole life.
	Yeah, but some people wait like five minutes.
	So it's like, I can just say that.
	All right.
	How long for you?
	I'd say, like, when it feels right on average, probably about like at least after the third date.
	Okay, what about you?
	Until I'm in a very committed relationship, that could potential to be marriage.
	Uh-huh.
	What about you?
	I'd say three dates, too, if it feels right, but try to go for three days.
	All right.
	Lucky number three.
	Okay.
	I think in the past, you know, I maybe just a few dates, but now I'm kind of waiting for the right guy.
	Uh-oh.
	Okay.
	Brian should tell you his.
	Okay.
	I'm just going to show.
	I'm not saying I'm just going to wow.
	Okay.
	What is no Andrew?
	What is it?
	So Brian has an irrefutable argument.
	It upsets me greatly.
	I argue with him all the time, and I end up losing on this argument every single time.
	So here's the argument.
	The argument just goes simply like this.
	If you were promiscuous before you got to the man that you really liked, but you were not going to sleep with that man, right?
	Because you now want to wait, wouldn't that man feel gypped?
	He might, but I think it, well, at least for me, it'll feel the intention is different.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Nobody, no dispute there that the intention is different.
	Yeah, I couldn't.
	I'm just looking, let's just look at it from the man's perspective.
	So let's say, and this, of course, this would never happen because I'm not really a 10, but that's really funny to say.
	But let's just assume for a second that you and I were dating, right?
	Hypothetically, of course.
	And we sat down and we're having dinner and we're having a great time, you know, and we have a few drinks and we get into it.
	And you're like, look, you know, I really like you.
	I do have a bit of a sordid past.
	You know, I've slept with, let's say, 10 guys or 15 guys.
	And some of them, even on the first date, I've done this even on the first date.
	But with you, I really like you, right?
	And I want to wait so that this is like meaningful.
	From my perspective, wouldn't I be like, what the fuck?
	Like, you fucked all these guys?
	Like, whoa, where's my, you know what I mean?
	Wouldn't from the guy's perspective, how do you think that would make them feel?
	Yeah, I understand that.
	I could see how a guy could, you know, kind of be maybe upset about it or like feel like gypped.
	That everybody else was able to be like, hey, on the first night, I slept with that guy, but that was a mistake.
	But you, I really like you, so I'm going to make you wait.
	Doesn't that just sound backwards?
	It can, but then, you know, I'd probably tell him that because he's so special.
	Yes, and now we get to the heart of the argument.
	So you thought that the first part was the argument, but it wasn't.
	It was just the lead-up to the argument.
	So here's where Brian comes in with the kill shot.
	Oh, okay.
	Here's the kill shot.
	I got to the argument.
	Brian says, well, then you're faking virtue because it was not for you virtuous to not sleep with the men before me.
	It's only because you really like me and you think my preference is that I want a woman who is virtuous.
	And so even though you want to sleep with me, you will not because that's my preference.
	So you're actually faking virtue.
	Well, I would probably put it on myself.
	I'd probably say it's because I was immature.
	And I think for once in my life, I know exactly what I want.
	Sure, but from the guy's perspective, right, again, from let's say Brian's perspective, he thinks, but if you're making me wait and you say you're doing it for me, it's because you must think that I have the preference that I don't want to be with a promiscuous woman.
	And if you're promiscuous with all the men before me, then you must be faking being virtuous because you think that's what I want.
	I don't know what to say.
	Can I add something?
	Because I actually like relate to this a lot.
	So with my kid's dad, I had met him, but like the first month or so, we didn't have sex or anything.
	So that for me, it was because most guys usually just want to hit it and quit it, you know?
	So the fact that he also was like understanding of like, oh, you know, like we both actually cared about each other, like see something in each other to wait.
	Like I don't feel like every guy is going to be like, oh, well, why are you going to fuck him?
	But not me.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say you fucked him on the first night, right?
	How would that have changed your relationship dynamic?
	He probably would have just went on to the next girl and right.
	So then the virtue here was self-serving.
	You didn't sleep with him because you thought if you did, he'd move on to the next girl.
	Not because you have an objection to sleeping with him.
	That's exactly what faking virtue is.
	That's the heart of Brian's argument, which is why it's so frustrating to me because I've been pondering for one straight year.
	This literally plagues me at night.
	I cannot repeat this argument.
	It bothers me to no end.
	But what you just demonstrated was the perfect example of faking virtue.
	I will not have sex with you because I'm afraid that if I do, it'll give you the wrong idea about me, and then you'll move on to the next girl.
	What about the idea?
	Right, like that.
	That means then that you would sleep with him if you thought he would stay with you.
	So what about it?
	Because I know like we're both like talking about.
	Hang on, can the answer to this question?
	If you knew for sure that he would have stayed with you if you had slept with him night one, wouldn't you have?
	Probably not, because I usually don't just hook up with the guy like the first night.
	Okay, night.
	Night three?
	No, because he lived like really far.
	So maybe sleep with him like a few times a week.
	If he didn't live really far?
	Maybe, but.
	Yeah, maybe.
	So you were faking virtue.
	So what you were doing is you were making him wait because you wanted him to think you weren't that kind of girl.
	That way he would stick around.
	Well, he met me at a strip table, so he probably already thought I was that.
	He was probably already expecting to get something.
	Every circumstance is different.
	In this case, I'll even grant in this circumstance is different.
	But even then, your entire mindset behind this was I didn't sleep with him immediately because he would think something bad about me and move on to the next girl.
	So I made him wait.
	It was not, though, that you objected to him and you wanted him to wait because of virtue.
	It was because you thought it was a good way to net him.
	And so then we get into the, that's what faking virtue is.
	And every single time this is played out, it always plays out the same way.
	And it pisses me off.
	And I want to like choke Brian all the time.
	I want to literally strangle him because I don't know how to refute that argument because you are faking virtue.
	You're not doing it for him.
	You're doing it for you, right?
	To keep him.
	Well, I kind of did it more for me because I just, I wanted it to go further, you know?
	So like, I didn't want to just give it to him and, you know, who knows where it would have went.
	I wanted to like wait and see where I actually go.
	And then like if it doesn't, if I see it's not going to go anywhere, I'm either not going to do it.
	We're not going to have sex or we can just do it and move on.
	Like if that's I agree.
	I totally understand exactly what you're saying.
	You're not doing it, though, because you think in your head it's virtuous to stay here.
	It's virtuous to be chased.
	You're doing it because you think it'll be.
	Well, I didn't think that because I was a stripper.
	So I'm like, you're probably already thinking something like a whore.
	Yeah, right.
	You're doing it because you think it'll keep the guy.
	That's what faking virtue is.
	It's like, I'm not easy.
	I'm not like this, but you're like this with 10 other guys or five other guys or two other guys or whatever.
	But I'm not going to be like this with you.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm actually virtuous to keep him interested.
	That is what faking virtue is.
	And so this argument I've had trouble refuting when Brian says, well, shouldn't I feel chipped?
	Because they're just faking virtue.
	How the fuck is he wrong?
	Okay, I have a thought on that.
	So, okay.
	And I'll weigh in too.
	Go ahead.
	I think generally, if you sleep with anyone, male or female, I think there's some kind of emotional connection.
	And if you sleep with them early on, you don't, maybe you don't get a chance to actually get to know them to decide whether you do like them or not.
	So that's that's my reason.
	Okay, I mean, but you've already made that decision later in your life because earlier in your life, you were more, at least in this situation, the woman was more, she threw it out more often.
	So she came to this conclusion later.
	The guy would say, oh, well, that's that's funny that you come to that conclusion later, but with all those other guys in your past, you weren't so chaste.
	You know?
	Yeah, well, and I think that's why I've always not always, but I've been in so many relationships that lasted so long.
	And it's probably because I know I didn't wait that long.
	And I think if I would have waited, I probably wouldn't have ended up being with some of these guys.
	So it's like a hard lesson that I learned.
	Perhaps I do want to come back to it, but really quick because we were going around the table on this.
	How long do you think you should wait before hooking up?
	Quick answers, guys.
	At least a month.
	I don't believe in hooking up.
	Okay.
	Tilt your mic down a little bit.
	Go ahead.
	What about you?
	If this is about dating, there is no time you will know.
	Don't think about it.
	Live your life and breathe and love.
	Yeah.
	So right away?
	Is that it would never be right away.
	Like same night?
	I'm faking.
	Have you ever met a guy and then within 24 hours?
	No.
	48 hours?
	No.
	72 hours?
	No.
	A fortnight?
	You know, one time.
	There was that one guy.
	Okay.
	Right, role-play scenario.
	But I guess my confusion with this whole thing is, and Andrew has most of it down when it comes to the faking virtue thing.
	But there does seem to be this, there's another component here where it's kind of like there's game playing and then this sort of like, what's going on here?
	Kind of unfair treatment.
	Like, I'm sure a lot of you guys, just I'll give you a scenario where perhaps you can comprehend because this is a frustration that men experience that I don't think women can really understand or put themselves in men's shoes on this.
	So let me, here's the example.
	Imagine a guy who he introduced his friends and family to you, spent quality, long romantic dates with you, revealed his emotional side with you, but he just wanted to smash.
	But with girls, he saw long-term potential in.
	He booty called them at night, left straight away because he didn't want to get hurt.
	Like, So he's, what I'm getting at with that example is he's essentially rewarding the woman.
	Get to meet the family, friends, spend these long romantic dates.
	He's putting in all this effort with the woman he's just trying to smash and have sex with, but the girl he sees long-term potential in, she gets the worse treatment.
	And so it's interesting to me, like, okay, you really like the guy.
	This guy's so great.
	But that's the guy.
	Oh, he's got to wait a month, two months, three, five, ten dates.
	But the guy who's a jerk, asshole, fuckboy, who you have had short-term encounters with, he gets to hit right away.
	So the jerk, the guy who is a jerk, the guy who is an asshole to you, he hit right away.
	And I'm the good guy.
	I'm the guy you actually want a long-term relationship with.
	And you want to wait.
	Oh, okay, you're not attracted to me.
	Or what's the situation then?
	But that's like, that's exactly the problem.
	And that's what's contributing to hippo culture.
	What do you mean, what's the problem?
	Like, you guys automatically assuming that just because a woman's not sleeping with you on the first date, that she's not attracted to you.
	But I would just say that.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that like that could be a thought process for a lot of guys.
	Right, which is why women are sleeping with men on the first date now.
	Because if not, then the man would just leave.
	So I think the jerk that you're talking about, like the ideal man, like the F-boy, like he gets it on the first night because the woman thinks that that will keep him around.
	Like, to be honest.
	But they clearly don't think that because with the guy that they want to keep around, they decide to hold off on it.
	Aren't we supposed to bow down and obey mine?
	I think that's after learning their lesson with the F. I'm not going to that in a bit.
	But here, that's just the game.
	You can't hate the player.
	That's just the game.
	No, but you understand how, like, from the guy's perspective, it's really confusing.
	Like, that's why he doesn't find out.
	If you look at it logically, but if you look at it logically, right, like, isn't the guy who you are viewing like, oh, this guy could be like long-term relationship potential?
	He waits, he has to wait for sex, but the guy who's maybe going to treat you poorly, who's a jerk, asshole, fuckboy, he hits right away?
	Maybe not.
	That's what's confusing.
	Because she doesn't want him to stay around.
	Is long-term relationship success?
	So hang on.
	So let me just ask you from the guy's perspective.
	Say, let's say you and I are sitting down for dinner.
	Say, look, I only fuck the guys I don't like.
	Yeah, so weird.
	What should my play, what should my play be?
	What should my play be then?
	Should it be like, oh, I really want you to like me?
	Or should it be, I really want you to not like me?
	what should my play be andrew that's actually a really good i i think we've talked about this before but that's actually a really good point so your position is if a guy wants to get sex he has to be the bad dude No, he has to attack.
	So you guys are incentivizing it.
	Men will do what works.
	Men, okay.
	I don't think he has to be attractive.
	No, men will do what works.
	So like, oh, you reward the guys who treat you like shit and you fuck them right away.
	Is it any surprise that if you guys are like giving yourself sexually to these awful men, that you're reinforcing their behavior?
	Well, men don't treat you like shit before they have sex with you.
	Really?
	No.
	Okay.
	Like, I don't think most, like, have you guys ever gotten treated like shit by a guy?
	Wait, wait, wait, though.
	Just because he was attracted.
	But you sleep with men that you don't like.
	And you won't sleep with men that you do like.
	So if I'm a man who wants to sleep with you, what should I be, what should my goal here be?
	To make you what?
	Like me or not like me?
	Well, I don't think it's.
	That what you said?
	Like, he's we're our response is going off of what you said.
	You said, well, they sleep with the man that they don't like.
	Didn't you say?
	Yeah, I don't want for a long-term relationship.
	Maybe he's highly desirable.
	Like, maybe he's highly attractive or he has a lot of money.
	He has a lot of women chasing after him, so you already know he's not really looking to commit to anyone.
	But he's attractive.
	I think when women are.
	Are you settling?
	No, but sometimes he's just hot.
	And you just, you just settling.
	I think when women.
	Hang on.
	How are you not settling?
	I think when women sleep around, they usually go for men who are of like a higher status and like more attractive, more money, whatever, because they know that those men are just not going to stick around because they have more options.
	So let me get this right.
	Here's your position.
	Women are having sex with men who are high status, who they don't actually like, who they know they can't actually get.
	No, they have to like you, though.
	They really like you.
	So they're not going to sleep with you, right?
	Which literally means you're not high status and we're settling.
	No, they have to like them.
	It's just that they don't see a long-term relationship with them.
	Yeah, okay.
	They don't have to be a relationship.
	But they know that they sleep with them.
	So then my goal should be for you to not see a long-term relationship with me then.
	If you're just looking for casual sex as a man, sure, yeah.
	Okay, so then the best way to have sex with a woman is that she doesn't like you and you tell her that you don't want a long-term relationship.
	No, she has to like you have to be attractive.
	You have to be desirable to her.
	Yeah, sure.
	You're attractive.
	But you have to be like.
	But if she tells you she doesn't want to sleep with you because she really likes you, that that must mean you're not attractive and desirable.
	No, you're just not exceptional.
	I thought she was aware of that.
	Oh, you're just not exceptional.
	Oh, okay.
	He was exceptional.
	I'm not exceptional.
	You're settling.
	Right?
	Women do settle when it comes to that.
	Okay, right.
	So you're settling.
	That's it.
	So, Brian, once again, Brian's argument, king, no refutations whatsoever.
	It's just the entailment that you are settling and faking virtue for men you claim you like who you won't sleep with.
	And this is a problem from the Christian ethic.
	I really want to destroy this guy on this.
	I want to completely melt Brian's mind on this.
	But apparently he's right.
	Because what the entailment is always is we're settling for you, right?
	But if you were exceptional, we'd fuck you.
	So is that better to have one night with somebody versus you could be married to them.
	And then if your goal is sex with somebody, being married to them means that you have a long-lasting relationship with you.
	I'll answer your question.
	So in this scenario, the guy, you're saying it's better to be married to this woman.
	No, I'm not on the woman.
	You don't want to be a man.
	I'm not going to be a good person.
	I don't want to marry that woman.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that, you know, if you're saying, is this based purely off of how quickly I can have sex with a woman?
	Is that the basis of the conversation?
	Based on, no, no, no.
	Let me explain.
	Okay.
	It's based on this.
	If you have had sex with men before very quickly, but you will not have sex with the guy you're with and tell him it's because you really like him and wanted to go somewhere, right?
	The idea from the gal I was just speaking to, I'm very sorry I wasn't here right for the beginning of the show, so I didn't catch your name.
	She said, and I quote, well, women do settle.
	You're obviously not exceptional.
	That's exactly how the guy would feel.
	He would say, why do these other men get to have sex with you who you say you didn't like?
	But I don't get to have sex with you when you claim I like you.
	That makes no fucking sense.
	That's fair.
	I can't comment on that.
	Yeah, so I guess here's the confusion that I have.
	I just have a question for the panelists.
	So who do you think, like, which man is, I guess, more deserving, would you say is more deserving of sex?
	The guy who you see a long-term potential with, or I guess the guy who you don't see long-term potential with.
	Long-term guy.
	Long-term guy.
	Okay, but so here's the confusing part.
	You say he's more deserving of it, but you're saying here that you're withholding sex from the men who arguably deserve the most and they put in the most effort, but you're giving it away freely to the guys who are kind of like, maybe they're really attractive, but they're fuckboys, whatever.
	Maybe they, you know, they put in minimal or no effort.
	And a lot of men see this, you know, maybe they never had to pay for a date, never had to be chivalrous, et cetera, et cetera.
	I think we were maybe, were we talking about chivalry earlier today?
	I don't.
	Yeah.
	So what do men see?
	They see, why should I do all the chivalrous stuff that women claims that they claim they want, all the chivalrous stuff that women demand needs to be in place before having sex.
	But then you know that she freely has given herself to men who did not do those things.
	So like, I don't know the sexual history of the panelists here, but like it's maybe fair to say that some of you have had, this isn't a judgment, but you've maybe like had a one-night stand or hooked up with a guy relatively quickly who didn't pay for dates, didn't get you flowers or reacted to flowers before, didn't do all that chivalrous stuff.
	And it's like men see that, men see this.
	You guys are giving sex to the men that aren't chivalrous, that are just like text you at 11 p.m. on a Friday night, what you doing.
	Terrible grammar, by the way.
	They have terrible grammar too.
	The men, what you doing?
	They text at a fifth grade level or some shit.
	And then it's like, oh, now you're 30.
	Now you want, after you gave yourself to all these other men who didn't have to put in any effort, now you want me to put in all this effort?
	That's crazy.
	You're commenting on what's the problem with hookup culture in our society.
	Like, that is the issue is that by having hookup culture, we are perpetuating a society where it's okay to treat women poorly because as long as you're attractive, as long as you have high status.
	Yeah, that's women treating men poorly, not men treating women poorly.
	It's both.
	It takes two to have a hookup culture.
	No, no, in this case, it's just women treating men poorly.
	What they're doing is gaslighting men.
	They're saying, listen, I really like you.
	And so I'm not going to sleep with you.
	I just slept with the three guys before you, though, because I didn't like them.
	That is the stupidest shit that I've ever heard in my life.
	And there are men who fall for that.
	But this is not a cause of men.
	How are men causing that?
	I'm not saying that.
	How exactly are men marionetting women in order to gaslight them with this shit?
	Like they're not.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying that hookup culture as a whole is negative for society.
	It seems like it's perpetuated by women and not men.
	And that's the menu.
	Women are the gatekeepers of sex, not men.
	You want equality.
	The second you say that there's equality, egalitarianism between men and women, women can make those decisions.
	And women are making the decision to be promiscuous and have lots of sex.
	They're the gatekeepers of sex.
	They're the determiners of who gets sex and who doesn't.
	How do you not place this squarely at the feet of women?
	I mean, I do.
	That's why, you know, in the Bible it says.
	But you said it was men treating women better.
	No, no, I'm saying that.
	No, no, hold up.
	I'm saying that by perpetuating hookup culture, we are perpetuating the idea that it's okay to treat women.
	Who's we?
	Women.
	We women, by hooking up with men, are perpetuating the idea that it's okay to treat women poorly.
	We're perpetuating the idea that sex is meaningless, that a sin has now become normalized, that shouldn't be.
	We're not perpetuating that men treat women poorly.
	That's not what I was saying.
	We're not arguing treat men poorly.
	I'm saying that sex should not be outside of marriage.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, I know.
	I get it.
	I agree with you.
	Sex shouldn't be outside of marriage.
	But what you're actually advocating for here is the opposite of what you think.
	You're not saying that men are treating women poorly.
	You're saying that women are treating men poorly.
	You're saying that women are gaslighting men.
	They're saying to them, I slept with three guys before you.
	They meant nothing to me.
	But you, baby, I love you.
	So you get to wait.
	That's nothing more than complete gaslighting and virtue signaling.
	What else could that be?
	No, that's not.
	And would that not then incentivize the man to treat you like shit so that you would sleep with him?
	If his goal is sex, then yeah, that would incentivize.
	That's what I'm saying is hook up.
	We're not disagreeing.
	We're agreeing.
	What if his goal wasn't sex?
	It was a long-term relationship.
	How would that make it better?
	Like, even if my goal was to be like, I want to have a long-term relationship with you, right?
	Why is it that you not sleeping with me would be better than you sleeping with me if you slept with the three guys previous to me who you didn't even like?
	Okay, that's fair.
	I can't talk on that subject.
	I got a few more things on this.
	I got a couple other examples here.
	Imagine a guy saying, I invested enormous amounts of time, effort, and money into getting sex from random women in my 20s, but now I'm lazy, so I won't make any effort for you who I say that you're my girlfriend or who I say you're either girlfriend or wife material, and I want marriage with you.
	And you have to wait three months or until marriage to get all that time, effort, and money.
	I think that would be him growing as a person and being smart.
	But y'all, maybe that's the case, but I feel like a lot of women would be like, okay, here's a better one.
	You're dating a guy.
	You guys have been together for a year, but he's kind of like, he doesn't really take you out on dates.
	Doesn't really take you on dates, doesn't do anything romantic, never took you on a trip.
	Doesn't want to meet, doesn't want to introduce you to his parents, doesn't want to meet your parents.
	But he's like, I love you, babe.
	I care about you so much.
	You're the one.
	You find out that his last three girlfriends, he did all that shit for within three months.
	And you've been dating him for a year.
	You don't feel, you don't start to question, wait, what?
	Why did he do all that stuff for his exes, but not for me?
	Maybe because he didn't play him, huh?
	Maybe because his exes played him.
	He felt.
	But wouldn't you then think, oh, so I got to deal with your trauma and your bullshit from the, I'm a new person.
	Right.
	Why do I have to, why did you throw the dice and land on me?
	And now I got to deal with your bullshit.
	And we can't have like an emotionally healthy relationship.
	It's a common pattern in men that if you give them sex too early, they will leave.
	Actually, I agree.
	I totally agree with her, Brian.
	I do.
	Here, let's do it this way.
	Maybe this is a better way to do this.
	I was thinking about this earlier.
	Do all of you on the panel agree that people work through incentives, right?
	Penalties and then incentives.
	So if I penalize behavior, you're less likely to do it.
	If I incentivize behavior, you're more likely to do it.
	Like if I say, I'm going to give you $100 extra if you do this job, you're more likely to do the job, right?
	But if I say, if you do this thing I don't like, I'm going to dock your pay.
	You're going to be less likely to do that thing, right?
	Does everybody agree with that?
	Show of hands if you agree that that's true.
	Just raise your hands.
	Okay, great.
	Then, if we're talking about penalties and incentives, then isn't it true that if you sleep with men you don't like, you're incentivizing men you don't like to sleep with you.
	Show of hands, if that's true.
	Okay.
	Then, if that's the case, then if you refuse to sleep with men that you do like, then wouldn't that create a disincentive for the men you do like to be with you?
	Yes, right?
	So, it's a matter of incentives.
	So, literally, what you're saying is, we incentivize men to treat us poorly.
	We're incentivizing men to treat us like fuck dolls and leave us because we give the incentives to the bad ones to fuck us and we give the incentives to the good ones that we're not going to fuck them.
	It's just, it's like, it's like candy, right?
	If I were training a dog, I would train the dog when it did a good thing, I'd give it a treat.
	And when it did a bad thing, I would chastise it, right?
	Isn't that how you train a dog?
	Yeah.
	So, if every single time you slept with a bad guy, that's a treat, right?
	Then how are you not incentivizing that behavior?
	Right.
	Can anybody give me an explanation for that?
	Like, any of you, can any of you give me an explanation for that?
	I agree with you.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	And I think hookup culture is very toxic, but I think men perpetuate hookup culture the most.
	Okay, well, we can get into that in just a bit.
	Go ahead, Michaela.
	Right.
	I mean, I feel like it's a catch-22 because, like, men not typically staying with women who do sleep with them immediately is incentivizing us to not sleep with them immediately.
	So it just isn't.
	Why are you sleeping with them immediately?
	I mean, I'm not, but I'm just saying, like, I think that's what I'm saying.
	Why are women doing this then?
	That makes no sense.
	Like, this argument that you're making right now reinforces my own.
	Yes, I agree.
	If it is the case that men are more likely to move on after you have sex with them immediately, then why the fuck are women immediately having sex with men?
	That's why they're not.
	In any occasion, if somebody is in the middle of the moment, because people that are only men in that way, and then there's people who are wanting to do that on the first day, you care about women.
	But women are just retarded.
	I think a lot of women don't care about.
	But they serve energy or a day and time, whatever.
	Yeah, I mean, it's the most counterintuitive thing I've ever heard.
	Like, don't worry about that.
	You know what?
	You know, like, imagine Cindy and Shirley are having a conversation, and Cindy's like, you know what?
	You know what?
	Men, they only want one thing, and that's to have sex.
	And Shirley's like, yeah, so we should have sex with them.
	It's like, it's the stupidest fucking shit I ever heard in my life.
	Why would you incentivize that behavior if you think that that behavior is bad?
	It's like, I just don't even, I don't even understand it.
	I have a few more things here than I do want to move on just because we have quite a bit more to get to.
	But one analogy, I've said it before on the show.
	So it's like making a man wait while her woman's past 10, 20, whatever previous partners she slept with on the first or second date is like me going to McDonald's and everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger.
	And then there's three people in line ahead of me.
	They all pay $1 for a cheeseburger.
	Then I finally, Minutes later, I get to the front of the line, ask for a cheeseburger, and the clerk looks at me and says, It's a thousand dollars for you, sir, because I like you more than those other customers.
	Those other customers were just a mistake, it'll be a thousand dollars for you.
	I, you know, you know what I mean?
	Okay, all right, let's get it at the top.
	I don't think they get it.
	I don't know if they get it.
	Oh, what I see is, um, you want to do good for your man.
	Uh, so part of that is sex, so that has nothing to do with it.
	The reason why they're leaving these people afterwards, and now you have another partner is because they have obedience, um, they have boundaries, and they know what's good for their whole life.
	So, in that time, they saw something that wasn't right and turned away, and that's strength and I guess, uh, yeah, I guess final thing on this, and it's at least from I understand though, as a woman, it's a difficult position because, on one hand, it's like it's like, well, am I gonna lose the guy if I don't?
	But then you also like, if I do, then is he gonna judge me or like not want to pursue a long-term relationship?
	Honestly, though, I think if the guy is really interested in you, like if he's going in wanting a long-term relationship and you have sex with him, it's hard for me to see a scenario where he's like, Oh, we just had amazing sex, and I previously wanted to have a long-term relationship with her.
	I'm no longer interested in her because of this.
	No, there, but then, yes, there are the men who are just interested in sex that you have to be wary of.
	Uh, I get that.
	My position, though, at least what I'm looking for in a woman, is I'm not interested in a one-night stand.
	Like, if I sleep with a girl, I want there to be a continuity.
	I'm pursuing, like, I want to pursue a relationship with the girl.
	If I have sex with a girl, like, you have to fuck up really bad in some way after the sex for me to be like, I never want to see you again.
	Like, if I sleep with a girl, there's intention there.
	I want there to be continuity.
	I want to keep seeing her.
	And so, at least maybe not all guys move that.
	Well, I know there's guys who don't move that way.
	There's guys who are just trying to have sex with you once.
	Goodbye.
	Nice meeting you.
	Wham bam.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	I think that's weird, though, for a couple different reasons.
	But it's like, from my perspective, where I am interested in having a long-term relationship with a woman, I will feel the type of way if I'm like, you know, you know, because I think it's normal to kind of talk about like, oh, what's your relationship history?
	And if you like sussed out, like, oh, okay, maybe she's had a couple hookups here and there.
	And it's like, oh, you want to wait three months?
	And I mean, it's like, though, we were adults, both already done this.
	I mean, the woman's free to do that, but then I just kind of feel like she's just not, she's playing a game.
	I don't think she's even that into me.
	And that's just my position.
	It's kind of like there was this viral thing on Twitter a while ago where a woman, a guy broke up with his girlfriend, I think.
	She said, I would never hook up with you, but your marriage material.
	And like, y'all women think that's a compliment.
	That is, trust me.
	Don't ever say that to a guy.
	Oh, you're not the guy I would hook up with.
	You're the guy I would date.
	Or trust me, don't say that to a dude because it's not good.
	Like, it's not good.
	Like, we want to be the guy that you would hook up with, but you also want a long-term relationship.
	And also, like, you can start as like a bit more casual, go into something more serious, but yeah, what's your thing?
	Don't men say the same thing, like, oh, I'd smash her, but I wouldn't date her, or I wouldn't marry her.
	Oh, sure, yeah.
	Sure, sure.
	Right.
	Do what I don't know.
	What does that have to do with anything, though?
	Yeah, like, you guys also pick and choose who you want to have sex with.
	And oh, no, men don't choose who they have sex with.
	Women choose.
	Yeah, sure.
	But you.
	Yeah, men have sex with who they can.
	Women have sex with who they want.
	Would love to hear this from a Christian male perspective.
	Like the whole.
	Sure.
	I would love to hear that.
	Do you think that because you're a Christian and a man, that somehow that alleviates you from the same burdens of every other man on planet Earth?
	It doesn't.
	No, no, no.
	Women are still the gatekeepers of sex, and they're still the ultimate architects of what that will be and who they'll have it with.
	I just think that most men that I know that are Christian, that's not like the primary focus in their life is to have sex with a woman.
	Like they have the reason for Christianity.
	I mean, to follow the principles in the day-to-day life, right, is to, you're trying not to sin.
	Here, let me just make it really simple.
	You're waiting until marriage, right?
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is a secular convert.
	Like, this specific topic is probably more secular because I'm assuming, like, at least for him or certain Christian men, they're waiting until marriage.
	So I don't think this conversation really pertains to like a Christian dynamic.
	Actually, it does.
	It does pertain.
	Well, it pertains, it might pertain to it.
	And, well, would it pertain to it in the sense that a Christian man who's waiting for marriage wouldn't want to?
	Well, there's no distinction here with it.
	It's kind of funny because women still, Christian women still pick.
	They're still the choosers.
	I have also been in a situation with a previous ex-girlfriend where she was not a virgin.
	And she once said something.
	She said, I said, I would have been able to get you to sleep with me, right?
	Like, if we weren't Christians and we weren't waiting until marriage.
	And she said, no, I was at the point in my life at that point where I wouldn't have given it to you.
	And I was like, I feel pretty dimmed by that.
	I feel dimmed.
	I'm not afraid of my life where I would have, right?
	That's exactly, right?
	Yep.
	So the thing is, is like Christian men, they also have to deal with an entirely other aspect of this, which is the virtue of the woman who says I'm now a reformed Christian, though I was promiscuous in my past.
	100%.
	And now you should accept me because I was promiscuous in my past.
	But Christian men still have the option of saying, no, I still have a preference against your former promiscuity.
	The woman, though, is still the chooser.
	So the thing is, is like, no matter what, whether you're a secularist or you're a Christian or a Muslim or whatever, maybe not Muslims, it depends on the region, right?
	But if you're a Christian in the West or a secularist, the woman's still going to be the chooser, the decider on the access and gatekeeping to sex, even if they're waiting to marriage.
	You're just elongating the process, right?
	But it's still the same thing.
	So if you were to tell me, let's say I was on like ChristianMingle.com or something, and we go on a date and I sit down with you and you're like, look, I am a saved woman, right?
	I'm a born-again virgin, though your hymen doesn't grow back.
	You are a born-again virgin, whatever that means.
	And you're going to go on the straight and narrow.
	And I'm like, wow, that's that, you know, great.
	You know, I'm glad you're a woman of virtue now.
	That's fantastic.
	I wouldn't hold your past against you.
	Of course.
	You came to Christ.
	That's fantastic.
	But then he said something to me like, yeah, you know, it's really the guys who I like that I wouldn't sleep with.
	It's the guys I didn't who I would sleep with.
	We're still in the same exact position.
	We've just added Jesus Christ to the mix, right?
	It's still the same thing.
	There's no avoiding the question.
	Moving on, Michaela, you said dating is extremely difficult right now because people are so closed off and either their standards are too high or they don't want a relationship.
	When you say their standards are too high, do you think this is for men, for women, for both?
	I think for both.
	Both?
	Who do you think it's like worse for?
	Like who has higher standards, men or women?
	Right now, like, I don't know.
	It's probably equal.
	Equal.
	You think social media is what's contributing to that?
	Yeah.
	I think it's a big part of it.
	Yeah.
	I think women are pickier and have higher standards.
	Have higher standards.
	Yeah.
	Like, here, how about this?
	Maybe, let's just maybe look at it from looks really quick.
	What percentage of men do you think are attractive?
	I don't know.
	Probably.
	Like, Tim.
	Have you?
	Have you been on a dating app before?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, how many percent, like, what percentage of the men do you swipe yes for?
	Um, on a dating app, probably like 10%.
	10%?
	What about you?
	Realistic 1%?
	Huh?
	1%.
	1% of men are attractive.
	What about you?
	Maybe like 20% of men.
	Okay.
	5.
	5%?
	Okay.
	15.
	15.
	Okay.
	5.
	All right.
	Yeah, I think like 5 to 10%.
	Just like in general?
	Are you asking in general?
	Are you asking on a dating app?
	Have you been on a dating app?
	Not really.
	Well, it'd be hard for you to answer the question then, so answer it in the way that you can answer it.
	Okay.
	Maybe 10%.
	Okay.
	It's super rare.
	Seriously.
	You need to find somebody readable.
	Readable.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Pump the brakes there.
	Readable.
	Okay.
	You know, I'm picky, bro.
	Damien, I'm going to send you an infographic here really quick that pertains to this.
	What percentage of women do you think are attractive?
	This is low for you.
	It's low.
	Brian knows I'm picky.
	He's trying to set me up.
	He's trying to set me up.
	First off.
	Set you up with a Chris.
	I was in contact with a Christian virgin who reached out to me on the show.
	You're a virgin.
	She's a virgin.
	But you didn't like her.
	Okay.
	But I do have.
	Oh, man.
	I hate using this word, but I have a type and I have a little bit of a roster.
	So, I mean, you got to perform a little bit better.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, there are a lot of girls reaching out, Brian.
	Pull it up.
	Pull it up, Damien.
	So, I mean, this is, so this is, and they've replicated this sort of study and they found this like occurring in other dating apps.
	So at the top, how men rate women.
	And then the bottom is how women rate men.
	This is on the dating app.
	And so women are like, when it comes to, I think, pretty sure this pertains to looks here.
	Men rate women pretty fairly on the bell curve.
	But like women are really harsh judges of men in terms of their attractiveness.
	They find something like those first three bars, 27, 31.
	So that's like 60, that's like 80%.
	So they find, I would say they find 80% of men like below, below average looking, which kind of pans out with some of your answers here.
	12% average, 5%, I guess that would be like above average.
	2% would be like attractive.
	Well, 0% most.
	Wow, that's bruff.
	It's hard out there.
	But I mean, just on this basis alone, it seems like women are really picky when it comes to physical appearance.
	I happen to think for both men and women, you can make arguments that maybe men are a little more preoccupied with physical appearance, but I think women are like it sort of levels out when you factor in like, well, maybe men care more about it, but also women find very few men physically attractive.
	So I don't know.
	So that's one thing.
	And also, I do think when it comes to the looks thing, so I think when it comes to the things that women care about when it comes to looks, a lot of that stuff's out of a guy's control.
	Height, hair, penis size.
	Guy can't control that, you know?
	I think a huge hair is like most people don't take care of their physical appearance.
	Yeah.
	I mean, a lot of girls like bald guys.
	There's plenty of attractive bald men.
	Sure, but most women prefer men with a full head of hair.
	No, I think it depends on the man because a lot of men will look good bald.
	Am I wrong to state that most women prefer men with a full head of hair?
	I think you are.
	But listen, are there attractive men who are bald?
	Absolutely.
	Are there women who are attracted to bald men?
	Absolutely.
	But I'm speaking more generalities here.
	I do think it's fair to say in the same way that I think women are attracted to tall men.
	Like, and typically the taller the better.
	Although, like, once you get into like, you know, 6'8, maybe women have like a preference for like 6'6'1, 6'2, 6'3.
	I think, generally speaking, women prefer men with a full head of hair.
	I don't think so.
	You don't think so?
	I don't think women are fairly fair.
	Okay, what percentage of women prefer bald men?
	51%?
	I think women make fun of bald men, but like in all actuality, like we would date a bald guy.
	Y'all wouldn't date a bald guy.
	I think you like bald guys.
	Wait, wait, what?
	I think that's the thing.
	I just want to make sure I'm clear.
	I got to get clarity here.
	It is your official position that women would have no preference when it comes to a man being bald or having a head of hair.
	I've never heard a girl state that she cares about a specific hairstyle on a guy.
	Great.
	Let's run a social experiment real quick.
	All the girls at the table, I'm going to assume all of you are maximum honest right at this moment.
	Do you prefer, if you prefer men with hair, raise your hand.
	Not saying it's a deal breaker, just say you prefer it.
	You could still date a bald guy.
	Well, what do you just say?
	Now, hang on, look around real quick.
	You said you've never heard of a woman, even one time, saying this.
	Now, how many women do you count?
	That's the entire panel.
	Just pointing that out.
	I feel like as we get older, I think like with our age.
	Okay, I think with our age, like, yeah, like if we're dating someone around our age, they have to have hair.
	Because if you don't have hair, that's just odd.
	But I feel like as you get older, now she's 30.
	I feel like if you're an older woman, you're dating older men, you wouldn't be like a guy being bald.
	Like, what?
	Like, that's a problem.
	Okay, so hold on.
	I'll explore that super quick.
	So, yeah, I mean, as a woman ages, like the men in her age cohort and women are typically going to like date a guy.
	Like, women aren't, you know, 35-year-old woman's typically not like trying to date a 20-year-old, right?
	So, she's going to be dating a guy like her age or like maybe with him five, 10 years, whatever.
	It's more common.
	It's more likely that maybe he's starting to bald or maybe he's got a shaved head.
	But like, if you were to ask her, she might be more like, hmm, she has to take an assessment.
	Okay, well, I might have to like be a little more forgiving of this.
	She would probably still prefer, not to say she would never date a guy who's bald, she'd probably still prefer a guy with a big, thick, full head of hair.
	Okay.
	Even at 40, even at 50, there are still men at that age who do have full head of hair.
	And then there's also women who are 20.
	And there's men who are 20 who are balding.
	There's guys who start balding in high school.
	Right.
	So it's like, I don't know.
	All right.
	I got to move it on, though.
	Oh, quick thing, guys.
	I'm going to just congratulate the elder woman when they have a man with hair still because they never knew.
	It's like having a lottery ticket back then.
	Okay, cool.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	All right, let's see here.
	We're getting into the rest of the notes.
	Trying to move through this quick.
	Anissa, is it?
	Yeah.
	Did I say it's not Anissa?
	Anissa?
	No, it's Anissa.
	Your anti-hookup culture, give us your thoughts.
	I just don't like it.
	I mean, like, I used to fall into hookup culture and For me, it had effects on like my confidence and just what I thought of myself.
	That's just a personal take.
	Like, I don't talk down on anyone else that hooks up.
	Like, my friends, and they got like, girl, go get that.
	But just for me personally, no, or maybe just I've had my experience with that, and it's just you realize it's not something that you want, or it's not something that you're into.
	Like, at the beginning, it feels good, and once you're done, it's kind of you feel a little less thin.
	Or me personally, I feel a little less thin.
	Sure.
	All right, that's fair.
	Bella, getting into your notes.
	You said your ex's mom worked as a hospital receptionist and she didn't like you and went through your medical records and reported everything back to your ex.
	So, what were in your medical record?
	And how much psychiatric treatment have you had?
	Quite a lot.
	Oh, really?
	Have you been 5150?
	I have not.
	But it was just like medication on there.
	Oh, what was it?
	For bipolar?
	No, it was for anxiety, depression, huh?
	PTSD.
	Oh, PTSD.
	But not trying to make it awkward.
	Did you go to war?
	No.
	Do you fuck with the war?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Just look at it.
	Okay, we don't have to get into the, you know, we won't get into the causes.
	I thought maybe it was like you saw some shit in like Iraq or something.
	Okay.
	So she reported it, and then did you.
	That seems like that's probably like a HIPAA violation.
	It is.
	Definitely.
	And then also like totally invasive.
	And so did you break up with him?
	So it's a long story, but basically, she kind of covered it up.
	The way that it happened was that because of the fact that she worked at Kaiser, she wanted to kind of schedule me an appointment for my eyes to get it checked.
	And then she got my card because she was like, oh, like, let me schedule it for you.
	So she grabbed it and then read all of it and said it was an accident that it just popped up.
	I mean, I believed her.
	I don't know what it looks like when you scan it, but I would assume that you have to go look for it.
	Damn.
	But yeah.
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	You also have a story, first date story.
	The guy couldn't get hard.
	So he wore a VR headset and made you choose which adult content he would watch while he thrusted you while being soft with the headset on while being coked out.
	Did you date him for like three years?
	Was that the six-month guy?
	Was that the six-month guy?
	No.
	So this was obviously my opinions have changed on like hookup culture, but this is back when like I wasn't really educated on what hookup culture actually was.
	I had like, I think like five dates with the guy and then we finally like got to it.
	But I don't know how to explain that.
	He basically what kind of VR was it like the like the Oculus VR headset.
	And so he was like, I can't get hard.
	So like, just give me a second.
	And then he put it on.
	Oh, he put it on.
	He put it on.
	And then you picked.
	Yeah, he searched up for him.
	And then he like.
	I feel like that's got to be a little offensive to the woman.
	Like, right?
	Ladies, when you get up there, okay, you're hooking up with a guy.
	He can't get hard.
	And he's like, I have to wear a VR headset while having sex with you.
	Yeah.
	And you allowed him to do that?
	Yeah, he was my ride home and he's also cooked out, so I can't, like, I can't just leave.
	So that's why you don't let them take you anywhere.
	No, you gotta make sure you got your own shopping.
	That's a great question.
	You should have married that guy.
	No, literally.
	Like, that's how you tell your kids, like, oh, yeah, like, the first time we had sex.
	In fact, he impregnated me with a VR headset.
	Oh my goodness.
	That's so romantic.
	Imagine telling your future kids.
	He couldn't get hard.
	So it's like, he's literally thrusting the air.
	Okay, but you never saw him again after that, right?
	No.
	You said something, you wrote something here about getting leaked.
	What is that?
	Like something leaked?
	Like pictures or whatever.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Yeah, so basically, I had really shitty exes.
	But he had to take in a recording of me and then, also pictures, while we were sleeping together.
	And then he got the mail and then sent it to my address under my parents' name.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	Is that a cr, I think that's a crime, maybe.
	I don't know.
	You got threatened to get married at 16.
	Someone threatened you.
	Yeah.
	He threatened.
	He was basically like.
	It's like he had a knife and he's like, marry me, bitch.
	Like, what?
	He was basically like, if you don't marry me, you don't love me.
	You don't care about me.
	And I was like 16, so I was like.
	Damn, this guy.
	Loki thinking about it.
	Okay.
	You also got blackmailed.
	Same guy.
	Yeah.
	Same person.
	Oh, okay, nice.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	You also, wow, here's another one.
	You dated a guy who was homeless and you paid for his rent while he or you were making $150 a week.
	Yeah.
	And this was when you were at 16.
	Yeah, so.
	At 16.
	Wait, were you living with your parents?
	Yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	Both are.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yeah.
	Live together?
	Live together.
	you were at your parents house did you ask them that you're wait he you let a homeless man move into your parents house Long story short, I don't know if you would consider this like actual dating or not, but I met him online.
	And then after basically.
	But after talking to him for a while.
	Wait, hold on.
	You met him online?
	Yeah.
	After I've talked to him, how old was he?
	19.
	Is this in California?
	Is that a yikes?
	Where is this?
	So when we had a meetup.
	At what?
	What state?
	Were you on Tinder?
	No.
	What date?
	Was it a dating app?
	No, it was literally through online.
	Like Discord.
	Through what?
	It was through gaming.
	Oh, gaming?
	Okay.
	What game?
	Siege.
	Siege?
	Rainbow Six Siege?
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	I know what that is.
	Oh.
	Oh, no.
	I know what it is.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Okay, so he's homeless.
	You moved him into your parents' house.
	What's the story?
	Okay.
	Maybe I'm backtrack.
	So we hadn't talked, or we had talked for like a long time.
	And then his parents had kicked him out.
	He flew down here.
	And then I basically got an Airbnb for him to live in.
	Oh, okay.
	So he didn't move in with your parents.
	Yeah.
	He was living in an Airbnb.
	How long did that last?
	Like two, three months, but then I like couldn't.
	Did your parents know?
	They knew I was like getting in Airbnb.
	Housing an adult while you were.
	Oh, my, this just sounds.
	That's incredible.
	Doesn't your dad know.
	Or wait.
	Never mind.
	Never mind.
	Did you say you were taking a break from dating?
	You said you were taking a break.
	I was taking a break.
	Okay.
	I understand why.
	This is psychopaths getting things done.
	Okay, all right.
	That's cool.
	Housing?
	Damn.
	Good times.
	I actually know Homeless Guy.
	Like, are you down to take him in?
	Sure.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Her eyes lit.
	No more.
	No more.
	You said you disagree.
	I don't.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You said you.
	We asked if you disagree with anything on the show host.
	You said not too sure, but you disagree on extreme beliefs on control, i.e., women are property.
	Well, I don't, that's not my position.
	I don't think that's Andrew's position either.
	I don't know.
	I could have wrote that at like three in the morning.
	That's fine.
	Okay, we don't have to get into that then.
	But this would be a good segue, though.
	Maybe, you know, I don't know if this is controlling.
	It's more so what I'd like in a woman.
	Can we pull up the clip of my ex-girlfriend, please?
	Pull up the bow video.
	And then we're going to do an Instagram react after it.
	So this is my ex-girlfriend.
	I had a dumper.
	Start from the beginning.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Boom, huge bow.
	So this is my expectation.
	I want my girlfriend to bow to me at least once a day, preferably more, but once a day is satisfactory.
	Getting my laundry ready.
	I just was coming home from a long day shooting the podcast.
	Very attentive, which is good, very attentive, scampering to the refrigerator, cracking open the beer or the whatever that was.
	And I had to scold her for those tomatoes.
	If you look in the bottom right corner, she just had tomatoes.
	That's gross.
	Play one more time.
	And then, boom, huge bow.
	Okay, so this is, I do want my girlfriend to do a respectful bow.
	I expect you can't do like that.
	It has to be at least, I think 45 degrees minimum is respect.
	I prefer deep bow, though.
	So that's like a 90-degree bow.
	Yeah, so yes.
	Do you have a problem with it?
	Anybody have any panelists have a problem with my.
	Yeah.
	Oh, speak up, speak up.
	Bowing is crazy.
	I mean, like, I'll prepare food for my men, you know, dad have food for you when you come home from a long day of work, but bowing, bowing for you is insane.
	By the way, I just want to make this clear.
	I expect this of all races.
	I know she was an Asian woman, but don't any of you here be racist.
	I date white women.
	The whitest women, they can be very pale.
	They still have to bow.
	In fact, I'll date a Latina, bow.
	Black woman, bow.
	Native American, bow.
	Pacific Islander, bow.
	Middle Eastern, bow.
	Are there any other?
	I don't know.
	So wait, anybody object?
	I'd like to hear some objections.
	I think the man should bow to the woman.
	Okay, we'll get to your kindo.
	We're going to get to your kids.
	Don't worry.
	We'll get that.
	We're going to get back to you.
	I think the Christian woman needs to weigh in on the bow thing, though.
	Do you object to the bow?
	Yeah, I would prefer not to bow to my partner.
	What if you were married to him and he asked you to do it?
	Is it a joke?
	Because that would be funny.
	He's not like going to murder you over it, but he does want it politely.
	But also do that shit.
	But also polite.
	Respectfully, no.
	You would say that respectfully, no?
	But hold on, isn't what, Andrew, Bible verse.
	I know.
	Submit to your husband.
	I already know what you're saying.
	What's the Bible verse?
	You're talking about it.
	Submit, submit to my subject.
	Obey.
	Submit.
	So it says submit.
	Wives are supposed to submit.
	Right.
	But at the same time, wives are supposed to submit to your husband, but also men are supposed to.
	It's like Jesus is to the church, right?
	So women, you know, you're supposed to submit to your husband as Christ, you know, you submit to Christ.
	Like the church is under Christ in that way.
	But also, men are supposed to have this sacrificial love for you.
	So do you have a sacrificial love for your girlfriend?
	You get the sacrificial love if you submit.
	See, this is something that's like highly debated among the Christian community.
	No, it's not highly debated.
	No, no, no.
	You didn't let me finish my.
	Okay, you didn't let me.
	That's not highly debated.
	But go ahead.
	What I was going to say is: this idea that you need a sacrificial love and you need to submit to your husband, it's kind of like an idealistic relationship that is very hard to obtain.
	So, I mean, do you have that with your wife?
	Could you?
	Let me help you with something.
	Okay.
	I'm going to help you out with your theology.
	I'm going to demonstrate for you why it's incorrect.
	Okay.
	Do you receive divine revelation through the Holy Spirit, which assists you with exegeting, meaning interpreting the text of the Bible?
	Sorry, was that a question?
	Let me repeat the question.
	Yes, sorry.
	When you read the Bible, are you filled with the Holy Spirit?
	And the Holy Spirit is telling you that what you're reading is true.
	Yes.
	And so your interpretation of that text is true.
	Well, I mean, God says to lean not on your own understanding, so I'm not supposed to interpret that.
	But whose understanding are you leaning on?
	Right now, I'm leaning on my own.
	This is something that I'm going to do.
	Okay, so then wait, that's really confusing.
	Wait, Lean not on your own understanding, but you're leaning to understand.
	I agree with you.
	I agree with you.
	This is a point in Christianity that I have struggled with and I haven't yet.
	Then just help me out with this.
	Okay.
	If it is the case that the Holy Spirit is in you and that is what is assisting you in reading the Bible, so you know it is true.
	Is that how people interpret the Bible, that specific line, or are you talking about no?
	Is that how people interpret the Holy Spirit?
	Yes yes, that's okay, and the Holy Spirit is telling you what is true.
	Right yes, then how come you don't write down everything the Holy Spirit tells you as a new form of the Bible?
	That's fair.
	I mean, that's why there's so many denominations.
	That's an issue among Christians, like not?
	Why don't you write down everything the Holy Spirit tells you and call it a new Bible?
	Because you're not supposed to lean on your own understanding.
	That's me leaning on, my understanding.
	Are you leaning on?
	Hang on, hang on Brian, this is important.
	I'll tie it in very quickly.
	Okay, try to be yeah, very quickly.
	Whose understanding are you leaning on when I'm reading the Bible?
	Whose understanding am I leaning on?
	Is that the question?
	You have no idea, and so the thing is is like, this is why you have, you have a flawed theology.
	Okay, you don't even know what your theology is, and because of that and I just showed you why that is true.
	I should have literally walked you through, step by step, why this is the case.
	Right when I tell you Christianity is patriarchal Christianity from the top down, 2,000 years of church history.
	It is a patriarchal religion where you are to submit to your husband as and it and I'll give you the text, if you want Sarah called Abraham Lord.
	You are to submit and call your husband Lord, as as Sarah called Abraham Lord.
	Why, if that is the case, that you're supposed to have that kind of reverence for your husband, will you not bow?
	That's fair.
	Would you bow?
	That's actually that's fair.
	I mean, what he said was fair.
	Yeah, it's fair.
	Would you bow?
	would you bow to your Lord Andrew, I think we've just convinced her to be an atheist.
	No, never that one.
	Never that one.
	No, no, this, I mean, this is fair.
	Actually, thank you.
	We get that it's fair.
	Would you bow to your husband?
	This is hard for me.
	Like, I'm a new Christian, so I'm not assuming you're leading me down.
	This is something that I'm not using.
	Just give Andrew the benefit of the doubt.
	He's 100% correct on the theology.
	Do you bow to your husband?
	Well, he's the head of, yeah, he would be, you know, he's the head and you're the body.
	So then I guess yes.
	Okay, how about this?
	And Andrew, maybe you want to weigh in on this too.
	You get married, right?
	You want to get married?
	Eventually, and then have kids?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Your husband, in his determination for what's best for the family, wants you to sell your boat and stop sailing.
	Brian, just real quick, I just wanted, Ephesians 5, 22.
	Wives submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
	Right.
	Who is the Lord?
	Jesus Christ.
	Would you bow to Jesus Christ?
	Yes, and I think that actually is a good point that you just brought up with that verse because, you know, the Bible also does say that if there's an instance, I don't remember the name of the woman, but her husband was not obeying God.
	And so she went on her own accord to an army and negotiated with them because he was being unreasonable.
	He was being prideful.
	And so there is a differentiation there of, you know, if a man is sacrificial in his love as Christ was.
	He can make that decision.
	Well, so hold up.
	What I'm saying is, is if a man is sacrificial in his love, as Christ was.
	And he gets to make that decision.
	If you are following Christ and your husband is leading you away.
	Who gets to make that decision?
	You or your husband.
	Let me speak, please.
	If your husband is leading you away from the person who is scrambling, I want to know what's going on.
	I'm trying to say something.
	That's a specific question.
	If your husband, I was saying something.
	The man or the woman, who gets to make the decision?
	Who?
	Do you get to make it or does he?
	If it goes against God, he does not get to make the decision.
	If it is following the Bible.
	Who gets to make the decision?
	Jesus Christ.
	Jesus Christ gets to make the decision.
	Okay, so Jesus Christ is telling you then.
	No, Jesus Christ in the Bible.
	You follow the Bible.
	So if your husband is a person who's in the Bible, if you think your husband's going against theology and he thinks you are, who submits to who?
	That's fair.
	Yeah, you don't know.
	You're supposed to obey as unto the Lord for this reason.
	Hang on.
	If an impasse comes up, if an impasse comes up, you are to obey for this reason.
	Because otherwise, you are the person being submitted to.
	You are the ultimate arbiter.
	Do you understand?
	If you go to your husband and say, your theology is wrong, you are not doing what God wants, then you are the ultimate arbiter and not him.
	There's explicit words in the Bible.
	So if he goes against the people.
	We can't go too much deeper into the theology stuff here, but.
	Okay.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	I mean, I'm just pointing out.
	I have one final point quickly.
	I'll just end it with this.
	If it is the case, as Brian says, okay, that you are to submit to your husband as you would unto the Lord, then bowing should be no problem, right?
	It's your own willful pride that would prevent you from doing that.
	It's not an unreasonable expectation if you are to obey as you would unto the Lord to bow to your husband.
	That's what my ultimate point is.
	I could get into why your theology is flawed in another time, but I'm just pointing out that it's very flawed, very obviously flawed.
	But anyway.
	I agree with you.
	Thank you.
	I'm trying to learn.
	Again, I've only been Christian for a year, so I appreciate you speaking through it and actually giving me real information rather than just attacking.
	So I do appreciate it.
	Okay, so going back to my thing, your husband, he says, I want you to sell your boat and stop sailing.
	Do you do it?
	If that's his will, then yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	Any other objections to the bow video from anybody?
	Is it wrong?
	Yeah.
	But to each their own.
	Is it what?
	Is it wrong?
	Yeah.
	Wrong.
	It's wrong to bow?
	It's wrong.
	I mean, okay.
	Well, look, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	Why do you think that's a good idea?
	Aren't you the type of person who wants to see women as equal to you?
	What do you mean?
	Because I feel like your whole argument is.
	We established at the beginning equality is not there.
	As in Josh, I could just turn this around on you.
	Okay, like, why do women want men to open the car door?
	Why do women want men to open doors?
	Why do women want men to pay for first dates?
	Like, do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	I don't care.
	You don't care?
	I don't care.
	You have no preference?
	Okay.
	I mean, it would be nice, but there's no gender expectations at all when it comes to what you want in the man.
	Gender expectations.
	I mean, it could be the case.
	Maybe there's nothing.
	Leading.
	Oh, leading.
	Why?
	That's not very equal of you to expect him to put in that effort.
	It takes a lot of work to lead.
	Yeah, leading's responsibility.
	I just think bowing is a little bit overkill, but also it's like you're submitting yourself.
	It's like 100-0.
	Do men want submissive women?
	Wait, it's 100 to zero?
	It feels like it.
	You think, wait, you think.
	Yeah, like a peasant.
	Oh, there's things that are way more submissive than a simple bow.
	I mean, if you actually think about the physicality of it, it's actually quite benign.
	It takes two seconds.
	Anybody can do it.
	It doesn't take any effort, right?
	Yeah, but looking at the video, she's cooking for you.
	Her whole life is designated to serving you.
	What's wrong with that?
	That's why I'm saying it's like 000, is it not?
	Oh, you can do way more than that.
	That's the easy shit.
	That's the easy shit.
	Wait until there's a situation where she disagrees with me.
	Okay, but like also, like, I want her to sell the boat, and she doesn't want to sell the boat.
	You know?
	I think that's wrong.
	Oh, okay.
	Why?
	I feel like if you love them, you don't change them like that.
	Okay.
	But so I guess what my frustration, I guess, the reason I bring up the bow thing is it's like this fairly innocent, totally benign action.
	It takes no effort from the woman.
	But you guys see it as like, oh, it's disrespectful.
	It's actually, no, it's like the bare, it's the smallest little gesture that you can do to show that you respect your partner.
	And I think what's interesting to me is, like, women, you have these expectations on men.
	You want a guy to do all the chivalrous bullshit, open the car door, be a gentleman.
	You want a guy to like walk on the ins, I guess, the inside of the sidewalk.
	So that way, if a fucking car comes crashing, he has to die and you get to live.
	He can protect you, whatever it is.
	You don't want a guy to take a bullet for you.
	You want all these things.
	You want a guy to pay for dates.
	You want a guy to take all the risks of rejection.
	And throughout the course of courtship, there's like at least a dozen different points where a guy could, you know, have to take initiative and risk rejection.
	You want a guy to take the initiative.
	You want a guy to make the first move.
	You guys want men.
	Men should do these things.
	You want men to do all these things.
	But the moment men say, well, I want a woman to do this.
	Women should do this.
	It's like, that's you get all bent out of shape if men start saying women should, but you guys don't have any issue with saying men should.
	And it's just interesting to me, like, okay.
	A woman will have sex with a guy on the first date.
	Let him ejaculate inside of her.
	Let him ejaculate on her face or in her mouth, and she'll swallow it.
	You'll do that shit, but hold on, pump the brakes for the bow?
	It's for symbolism.
	But what don't you think it's kind of crazy that you got a table of women who would not do the bow, but you'll let a guy splunk on your face on the first date?
	The bowler's got the girl is below them.
	But what do you think is more degrading?
	A guy blasting on your face, getting into your eye, your hair's all fucked up for a couple days, or three seconds, no effort.
	What's like more degrading?
	I feel like some would argue that it's more degrading to bow.
	That's all right.
	I don't know.
	That's just me personally.
	Yeah, that was a good line of reasoning.
	I think it's just, I don't know.
	The other confusing thing, it's like you as women, if you guys, and maybe it's not your standard, but I think a lot of women.
	How about this?
	Just show of hands.
	Who here wants a guy to pay for the first date?
	Michaela.
	She's kind of raising her hand.
	All right, you guys want men to pay for the first date.
	So let's say, do you think like $100 is like a reasonable price to pay for the first date for his meal, for yours?
	I think maybe it could be cheaper.
	Maybe it's like 50 bucks or whatever.
	But I think it wouldn't be uncommon for a guy to pay $100, like to take you to a decent restaurant, you know, a drink each meal, whatever.
	If he's taking you somewhere really upscale, it could be a couple hundred or even into the thousands, right?
	It's like, so your expectation there, let's say the guy makes $20 an hour and it's a $100 meal.
	You expect him to work for five hours to take you on the date.
	Let's say he works a construction job.
	So you want a guy to physically labor to be able to take you on the date, but all I'm asking for is a bow that takes three seconds, but you want a guy to work hours to be able to take y'all out?
	How's it wrong for me to want a bow, but you want a guy to work multiple hours to take you out?
	Let's say he's digging ditches.
	He's got to literally dig a ditch.
	Shovel.
	Anybody here shovel?
	That's just hard.
	Pushback.
	Anybody?
	Hello?
	All right.
	I think the bow symbolizes that the female is below the man.
	And in reality, the female is above the man.
	So I don't think that it would make any sense to bow to a man.
	Dude, she's so lost.
	She's so.
	I'm not lost at all.
	And let me explain.
	But the man is digging ditches.
	The man has to dig a ditch for five hours out of the day to pay for the date.
	He's dude.
	That's what he was made to do.
	That was cute.
	That's his purpose.
	That's what he was built for.
	And so women are more valuable because we can reproduce.
	Okay.
	So when it comes to any species, reproduction is the most important aspect to its survival.
	Okay.
	Women are reproduce.
	Men are survival.
	Okay.
	Women.
	So men have to compensate for their lack of ability to reproduce with having other skills for survival.
	Whereas women, the fact that we can reproduce alone makes us a superior, more valuable.
	If the men disappear, the grid goes down.
	The refrigerator is fine.
	Yes, I'm a female.
	I am.
	Sperm dies.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I'm a female supremacist.
	Is that worse than the feminist?
	Why?
	Feminist?
	It's more radical.
	Isn't that what birds do?
	Like the peacocks, the male peacocks are always more beautiful and they have to put on a dance and stuff like that for the female peacocks.
	Yeah, and the female peacocks are.
	I mean, that's an appeal to me.
	Same with like babies.
	But lions, like, they let the women do all the hunting and they just kick it.
	Yeah.
	And they bang all of the females.
	Wait, do the one male.
	Do the lionesses, do they do the fighting too, mate?
	Dude, it's crazy.
	Well, they do.
	They do the hunting.
	They do the hunting.
	Now, there is cases.
	For instance, there were lions.
	Lions actually will get revenge.
	There were hyenas who used to attack a single lion pride.
	And the lions actually went out and murdered all the hyenas.
	Like, they retroactively paid retribution on behalf of their tribe.
	Now, lions don't kill all lions who are around, just others who challenge their position if they're males.
	But the women do do all the work.
	And the alpha lion generally humps all the women.
	That's just the way it is.
	Now, some of the other women in the tribe, they get humped by other male lions.
	That does happen at the fight heads dictate.
	But I don't think it's a good idea for us to compare ourselves to lions.
	Obviously, we're not.
	I'm just pointing out that if you wanted to reflect on how nature works and then apply it to humanity, definitely the males in nature run everything.
	I mean, the male sex in nature runs everything.
	They're always stronger.
	Well, not always, but almost always stronger.
	And they almost always set down the dictates.
	I also want a girl who can make me a quilt.
	Like what kind of quilt?
	A very detailed quilt.
	How detailed?
	That's comfortable and warm.
	For you to sleep with.
	Wait, what is a quilt?
	It's like a blanket, right?
	Brian, you want the big needles?
	You want the big needle.
	I do.
	You want the big needle nibs.
	And if she doesn't know how to churn butter, she ain't the one.
	She's been saving all this comfort.
	It has to be a wolf quilt.
	Something like that.
	Let's pull up the video, Damien.
	Let's pull up the video.
	This is maybe, what do you guys think about this?
	Maybe related to the bow.
	Make it a little bigger.
	And also unmute the audio first before you play it.
	Refresh.
	Can you, did you refresh it?
	No, let's go.
	Just refresh it.
	Yeah, because, and then pause it immediately.
	Refresh?
	Yeah.
	Pause.
	Unmute the audio.
	Make it one bigger.
	Play it.
	Yeah.
	Submit to him.
	I will forever submit to you.
	Ew.
	I'll forever submit to you, Miles.
	Ew.
	I'll forever respect you, Miles.
	I'll forever honor you, Miles.
	As the head of our home.
	And no other.
	There is no other.
	There is no one.
	No plans of hell will ever prosper in our marriage and will ever hold me not to be a wife.
	That is a Proverbs 31 woman.
	I will become that woman that builds the home as I follow you, as you follow Christ.
	That is the only thing that we will do in our household.
	And I promise and I vow that in heaven, they hear on earth.
	I declare and decree.
	I shall be a submissive wife unto you as we continue to do this work of God and forever.
	Dang, dude.
	Wait, I have a question.
	I need that woman in my life.
	Wait, she's married.
	Wait a second.
	I just want to let all of you know.
	And you can be mad.
	You see.
	I'll get to you.
	Every man who's a Christian who just watched that right now is a Protestant, which I'm not, is thinking in their head, that's fucking right.
	That's exactly how things are supposed to be.
	Just pointing that out.
	Go ahead, Chelby.
	Are you fully providing in every other aspect for your wife and for the family?
	If you watch that video, she's going through.
	Like, if you're going to financially provide and provide every other thing, is that like the exchange?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, if this is my girl, I'm taking care of everything.
	Then I think that that's she doesn't have to work.
	Yeah.
	But there's going to be an expectation there that.
	I agree with that.
	Yeah.
	I think that video is beautiful.
	She's like, I respect you as the leader of the household.
	She's obviously, I don't know.
	She's deeply infatuated with the fact that he is like a man worthy of respect.
	And I think a lot of women are abhorred by that video because they've never met a man worthy of their respect.
	Like they've never met a man that was willing to do all of that.
	They have guys that are no offense, but just worse situations where.
	But hang on.
	Now we're getting back into this sip aspect, right?
	You keep on blaming men for this.
	Yeah.
	Women aren't meeting the right guy.
	It's like, what is the right guy, though?
	Well, in her case, you know, it's somebody that would provide, you know, somebody that would ultimately be worthy of respect.
	I really don't think.
	Equality.
	Yeah, well, I don't think she said that.
	No, you don't want equality?
	You don't want to vote?
	I honestly don't care.
	You don't want equality in any aspect of life?
	No, I mean, as like, I want to be feminine and I don't want to have to worry about certain things.
	I want the man in my life, I want to be able to have him lead and have my respect for him to do so.
	Andrew, do you think it's totally fair?
	Let me just ask you, what is it that he gets?
	What does he get?
	He gets my submissiveness and my nurturing feminine abilities and for me to make the house a home and to be there for him emotionally and for what he needs to be the masculine version of himself.
	Are you going to do what he says?
	Yeah.
	Within the confines of reason?
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	So let's say that the two of you are in an argument about where to send your kids to school.
	And you are adamant that your children should be in a different school than the one that he thinks your kids should be in.
	Why?
	Well, it disrupts your schedule.
	You have to drive an hour and a half out of the way.
	Should you obey and do what he's asking you to do anyway, even though you don't think that it conforms to reason?
	Yeah.
	And the person that I marry, I would assume that our beliefs and what he is trying to build is something that I would respect and I would want to build with that as well, like build with him.
	Those things change.
	Huh?
	Those things change.
	People's priorities change.
	But Andrew, do you believe that all men are worthy of that kind of respect from a woman?
	From at least a woman.
	From a woman.
	The truth is, is that most women, right, seem to put themselves above men.
	And this is because they get a lot of sexual attention from most men.
	Because men are willing to sleep with them.
	They seem to categorize that with most men want to be with them.
	These are two distinct categories.
	So my question would just be simply this.
	To most women, you want, if you're a traditional woman, you want the man to take care of things financially.
	You want the man to take care of you.
	What does he get?
	Most women will just say he gets me.
	What do you get?
	Well, you get everything paid for.
	You get your entire life planned out for you.
	You have a man who will wake up at night and die on your behalf.
	If the boat is going down, he gets on, or you get on it, and he stays with the boat.
	What does he get?
	He gets the woman.
	The woman is the prize.
	Right.
	And that's exactly the problem, is that you think that the woman is the prize.
	And so this is where I disagree.
	What makes women the prize, considering you just will fuck anybody who doesn't even like you?
	You'll fuck men who don't even like you.
	What makes you a prize if you'll fuck a man who doesn't even like you?
	That's why lust is a sin.
	And that's why.
	No, no, no.
	Let her answer.
	What makes you the prize if you'll fuck a man who doesn't even like you?
	I need just a quick exchange here just because it is getting a little bit.
	Very quickly.
	Yeah, I think.
	What makes you the prize?
	I think regardless of like women and their body count or like who they sleep with, I think women are still valuable regardless because women can reproduce and you still want smex out of that woman regardless of like you want smechs out of the woman, but you'd want smechs out of the woman even if you couldn't reproduce with her right.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well then the reproduction aspect doesn't seem to be the key here, does it?
	So if that is the case, then tell me again, if you'll fuck men you don't even like, how are you my prize or any man's prize?
	Well, I personally wouldn't fuck a guy that I don't like.
	And I don't think any woman is fucking guys that they don't like.
	Well, this is a massive, massive disproportionate distinction between the position you held earlier, where you were coping over and over again.
	No, I said they don't see that.
	Women have sex with men they don't like all the time because they're exceptional.
	Yeah, if they're exceptional, then they like.
	Massive contradictions from you again.
	But back to red sweatshirt.
	I think we've had enough of your contradictions for an evening, Madame.
	Red sweatshirt, we were, I'm sorry, I didn't catch your name earlier.
	Very corner to what you guys would see as my left.
	Back to you, I was just wondering, you would submit to everything that your husband asked you to do?
	Yeah, and if there's mutual respect as well in the relationship.
	What does that mean?
	That he sees the value that I also bring to the relationship, where I do believe that the man and the woman has different aspects that they both bring to the relationship, but I think that they both have high value.
	Who gets to determine that?
	Determine what?
	Your value.
	I think that it could differentiate in different relationships.
	And I think.
	Yours.
	I don't get it.
	Who gets to determine your value in the relationship with your man that you have submitted to?
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	You don't know who gets to determine.
	You don't know the man you have submitted to man, but you don't know who gets to determine your value in that relationship.
	Well, I feel like I would respect him and value him when he also sees the value in me.
	That's not submission.
	That's egalitarianism.
	I will submit based on equal, but I also bring aspects to the relationship that I'm going to be.
	It's submission based on conditionals.
	You're saying I have conditions for submission.
	How's that submission?
	No, I don't think that asking to be seen as value is like not submitting.
	Yeah, but when you say value, this is up to you as to what your value is.
	So if you say he's not seeing my value, then you get to be the arbiter of what your value is.
	That's well, then that's probably not a guy that I would want to be with because we don't have the same submission.
	Because we don't have the same values.
	It can't be submission if you get to make the dictate as to how it is that you submit.
	No.
	That's not submission.
	It's not submission if you say the man doesn't get to be the arbiter of your value, but you get to be the arbiter of the value to the man.
	That's the opposite of submission.
	No, you're misconstruing my thoughts.
	Well, it's not misconstruing.
	It's misconstruing, but I'm willing to hear out how I'm misconstruing your thoughts.
	We do have a lot to get through, so you guys need to make a final point on this.
	Make it very quick.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't know.
	I said I was like, I think that the woman should submit to the man, but she also has value.
	Like, you can't just be a piece of trash.
	It's not that you're a piece of trash.
	It's not saying you're a piece of trash.
	It's just explaining to you that submission means that you have given yourself over to X.
	I have submitted to X. Like, if you submit yourself to Jesus Christ, you don't get to determine to Jesus Christ how it is that you have submitted.
	That's not how it works.
	He's the determiner.
	It would be the same thing with a husband.
	If you submit to a God, you don't get to determine how you submit to the God.
	The God gets to determine how you submit.
	So if that is the case, you can't say I have submitted to this thing, but I get to be the arbiter of how things work.
	But that's because what my value is.
	That would be up to the thing you submit.
	Yeah, because that's because I know that God already sees the value in me.
	Hang on very quickly, and I'll let you respond.
	Could you imagine going to a God and saying, you don't get to determine my value?
	That would be antithetical to submitting to the God.
	Of course, he gets to determine the value.
	That's submission.
	Yeah, but you're submitting to God because you know that he already values you and loves you unchangeable.
	Oh, so it's an exchange?
	It's like a transaction?
	No.
	No, no, it's not like a transaction.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's the opposite of submission.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Anyway, I'll let Brian moving on.
	Sorry, Brian.
	Yeah, I guess just final thing on this when it comes to submission.
	It's just interesting to me.
	It seems like, like, who here wants to have like a boss babe career?
	Anybody?
	Probably her.
	The woman who would have said yes is gone.
	By the way, Brian, we're at two.
	I'm going to do a raid over to your channel.
	Oh, you should maybe wait until we get into this girl's notes for a little bit if you got a bit more time.
	I don't this evening, but I do appreciate you guys having me on.
	All right.
	I do.
	I do have to have the heart out of it.
	But guys, I really appreciate it.
	It was nice to meet all of you.
	No hard feelings.
	My job is to push back against your worldviews.
	So I appreciate meeting all of you.
	Oh, Andrew, do you want to do a quick shout out for Debate You?
	Yeah.
	I do have a course on how to do and conduct debates called Debate University.
	Brian was a co-sponsor, which is fantastic.
	You can find that over on debateuniversity.com.
	So get over there.
	Verbal combat is the course.
	It's fantastic.
	And by the way, we have reduced the price.
	You can pick it up now.
	And I highly suggest that you do.
	Thank you guys so much.
	And you have a wonderful week.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Appreciate you sending over the raid.
	Guys, debateuniversity.com.
	Check it out, guys.
	Okay, we're going to just try to get through all of this real quickly.
	But when it comes to this last thing on the submission topic, it's just interesting to me because I feel like women have traded being submissive to their husbands to being submissive to your employer.
	I mean, that's what you are.
	Like, you have an employer.
	They might even bark orders at you.
	They'll boss you around.
	Do this, do this, do this.
	You have to do it.
	Otherwise, you get fired.
	Wear this.
	Don't wear that.
	Have your hair like this.
	Be professional.
	Blah, You'll be submissive to your employer.
	You're cold corporation to your boss, but you wouldn't be submissive to the man who you love and who loves you.
	Who I think will, most of your husbands, even if they do want a traditional relationship and they want you to be submissive, are probably going to ask far less of you than a corporation will, than your boss will, than your employer will.
	I mean, if you think about a female waitress, in a given day, her boss is going to expect her to, okay, bring food over here.
	Put on the happy face with all the rude customers.
	Wipe down the table.
	Clean the spill.
	Clean the floor.
	Clean this.
	Clean that.
	Run this order to the pickup.
	Take out the trash.
	Organize this.
	Organize that.
	Dozen other things I'm not even listing.
	And you'll be a good worker drone, a good worker bee.
	But your husband just wants you to cook and clean, and you don't want to do that.
	You won't do a bow.
	I don't know.
	Maybe you're like a hostess in your job.
	Maybe you don't bow, but, oh, welcome to fucking, I don't know, fuck Arby's.
	I don't know.
	They probably don't have hostesses as Arby's.
	I don't know.
	Chilies.
	You're working in a chili.
	Oh, hey there.
	Welcome to Chili's.
	But you can't hit a bow for the man who you love and who love in Texas wrote us.
	You got a question.
	If you had gotten rid of like men doing or paying for the first date or men having to open the car doors or having to walk on the sidewalk, then do you still think that it's still normal for the women to bow down to the men?
	So if we get rid of it.
	I mean, I think you have to, both people have to be.
	I mean, so if we're talking about being traditional, I think both people have to hold up their end of the deal.
	So like as a guy, you can't be non-traditional and expect traditional treatment and vice versa.
	What do you mean?
	For it to not or to not bow.
	Just to be clear, also, I think traditional, non-traditional, it's kind of a spectrum.
	I don't think everybody's going to be like all the way to the extreme over here.
	And like, I think you, you know, in some ways, you might not be totally traditional, but you're mostly traditional, whatever.
	But so, what's the question?
	So, what does it take for it to be obscene for the woman to bow down to the man?
	What does the guy have to do to get that?
	Yeah, for it to like be not part of your standards.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Like, I'm not sorry, just what does it take for like does it take like 50-50, like even split for in all before the bow goes away, yeah, before the bows go away.
	So, like, you're saying, like, oh, Brian, if the girl was willing to pay like 50-50 with you, would you like not accept the bow?
	With all aspects, like, not even just 50-50 with ping, but but if a war happened, Brian would be forced to go off to fight the war, uh, I guess.
	Um, but I mean, like, I don't, I'm can you be more precise, I guess.
	And I don't think it can be 50-50.
	I don't think an intruder, if an intruder breaks into your home, like, who is going to attack the intruder?
	It's not the woman.
	You know, there are situations as soon as violence comes into play, then the 50-50 goes out the window.
	Like, the woman simply can't, in those situations, be 50-50 with the man.
	Like, if there's a home invasion and I gotta go kill the guy or whatever.
	I don't know.
	Who here has a firearm?
	Just curious.
	Anybody?
	I do.
	Okay.
	So, I could kill the man.
	That's good for you.
	Thank you.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	What was your Michaela?
	Were you coming in the morning?
	No, I was going to say, I feel like there's a difference between wanting something in a relationship and thinking it should happen.
	Okay.
	So, like, I don't know.
	If you love someone and you say, like, I want you to bow to me, I feel like that's valid.
	Like, you can ask some, you can say, I want that.
	But when you start saying, like, things should happen, that's when you get to, like, okay, well, is it 50-50?
	Like, is it even?
	I don't think it should be like that in relationships.
	Well, how should it be?
	I think it should be if you want something, like, everyone's entitled to wanting something.
	There should be a conversation.
	Yeah.
	And if you say, I want that, and the person really loves you, then, like, I wouldn't have a problem doing something first.
	Yeah, so, I mean, but how about this scenario?
	A guy goes on a date with you, Michaela, and he's like, I would like to have a conversation about who's going to pay for this date.
	And then you're like, you're going to have that conversation and be cool with how that date's going?
	Well, if I don't, if I don't want to have a conversation, then I feel like that's.
	What do you mean you don't want to have the conversation?
	I don't know.
	What if the guy who wants you to bow, you want to have the conversation with him about not wanting the bow?
	And he's like, I don't want to have that conversation.
	You should just bow.
	Well, then you're probably just not a good match.
	Okay.
	Like that's why people, you know, some people are better for each other than others.
	But I mean, I'm trying to think of a situation where we have the conversation about something that I'm displeased with.
	Like, oh, I don't want to have to do this.
	Well, I think like when you love someone, you like you decide what you will sacrifice, I guess, for them.
	Like if someone came up to me and was like, I really, really, really want you to bow, and I like really loved him, I feel like I'd be like, should be on the first date.
	You got to hit the bow on the first date.
	Well, no, but that's fine.
	Like, you're entitled to wanting a bow on the first date.
	I don't think you're wrong for that.
	I think you coming and saying you should bow to me on the first date is like a little kind of pushing it.
	She should just do it.
	I don't need to tell her to do it.
	She just does it because she knows.
	She watches the podcast.
	She's like, ah, this is what Brian likes.
	I'm just going to do it.
	In that case.
	Yeah, no, in that case, then if you find a girl that feels like she should do it for you, then that's a good match.
	I don't know.
	What if I went up to a girl and I didn't even know her and I'm like, I'd like to have a conversation about you making the first move.
	I don't want to make the first move, but I just made the first move.
	But like, you carry the rest of the conversation.
	And then like, I'll ask you out on the date, but then you pay for the date.
	We should have conversations about that.
	I think if she felt like she also wanted to have that conversation, that's fair.
	I also, maybe we should, let's have a conversation about who goes for the first kiss.
	Would you, would the first kiss, would you prefer it go like that?
	Or would you prefer the guy to just go for it?
	No, I don't think you necessarily have to have a conversation about everything.
	That's what you said, though.
	You said there should be a conversation about the bow.
	I mean, no, no, no.
	Not that there should be a conversation, but it's like you're entitled to wanting what you want.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, how is a girl going to know that you want a bow unless you're going to be a little bit more?
	And if she doesn't watch the show, then I'm going to have to tell her.
	We just have to change all of society.
	All of this podcast.
	That's what we're doing.
	You know what, though?
	I've had multiple women DM me who are in relationships.
	And they're like, look, Brian, at first, I thought this bow thing is fucking ridiculous, but I just like hit it real quick for my boyfriend.
	He was like, he liked it.
	I've had multiple women tell me the boyfriend liked it.
	And it's like this totally benign, takes no effort.
	And you guys are so object to it so much.
	You know what?
	I'll try it and I'll reflect on it.
	Give it back to you.
	Let me know.
	Yeah, let me know how to do it.
	Changing hearts and minds, Brian.
	Incredible.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Anyways, I do want to move things on here just to get through everything.
	Okay, let's see here.
	We have still Bella.
	No, I think.
	Okay.
	Samson.
	Yo.
	Which in return, something about high on the valid fertile breeder?
	No, bro.
	Don't bring that one up.
	Okay.
	Oh, I thought you were going to elaborate a bit.
	Oh, I don't know.
	I forgot.
	That was.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Is there anything you want to ask?
	Okay.
	Okay, I do know.
	Okay, so when you are attractive in your 30s, I think being 30 years as a woman, you haven't even decreased at all.
	But there is people that will start to slowly decline a little.
	Anyway, there's something about how 20-year-olds are more attractive than 30-year-olds, but I think 30-year-olds are more attractive than 20 for a couple reasons.
	One being your mind, your work ethic that you've made in the last 10 years, and then how you are aging.
	And I think that makes you a valid fertile breeder.
	And I think men appreciate Tusi.
	A valid fertile breeder.
	Okay, there you go.
	All right, yeah, that's cool.
	And I mean, just to be clear, like, I want my girl to bow, do my laundry, whatever.
	I'm going to take care of everything.
	I think that seems like a fair trade-off.
	Yo, Andrew, thank you for the raid, man.
	Do appreciate it.
	Very much appreciate it.
	They bow.
	That they bow without saying it directly.
	Somebody in the chat said that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Going to Ebony.
	I wish we got into this stuff when Andrew was still here.
	The most D-Gen stuff ever, but all right.
	Actually, one of your notes here, you say body count doesn't matter.
	Oh, it does that.
	Going around the table, do you think body count matters?
	Does it not matter?
	Starting with Michaela going around?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	How about this?
	Do you think men are insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
	No.
	Okay.
	I think it matters.
	You think it matters?
	I think they are insecure.
	I think they're probably comparing.
	Shelby?
	Okay.
	I don't think body count matters.
	It doesn't matter.
	All right.
	I'm kind of in the middle, but it kind of matters.
	Okay.
	I don't think it matters.
	I think it matters.
	Yeah, half does matter, I guess.
	Yeah, I definitely think it matters.
	Shelby?
	Yeah.
	I just say that I don't think it matters because from my personal experience, I'm not like the same person that I used to be.
	And I hope that somebody wouldn't hold that against me.
	Let me rephrase the question.
	Would you hold it against a man for taking it heavily into consideration what a woman's body count is?
	If that's who she still is and is continuing that behavior.
	But isn't who she is at this point somewhat based off of her past?
	Yeah, but I mean, if she's still continuing with the act of being lustful.
	But I know that I've changed tremendously as a person.
	And yes, I've made mistakes, but I've also learned from that.
	And I've also grown as a person and became better from it.
	Yeah, it sounds to me like it does matter.
	Or that you at least wouldn't be down on a man for thinking that it matters.
	He has his own opinion.
	But I don't personally think that body count matters because you can be like, it doesn't reflect that the current person you are.
	Do you really think that somebody that's bonded with someone physically and even chemically, she was talking about the oxytocin?
	Like, don't you think that that is playing into how things are no matter how much of how much of a new person you are?
	Don't you think that that plays a role?
	Yeah, I mean, you can't go back and change anything, but.
	Because what the science suggests is that the more people a woman has bonded with, the less sticky the bond becomes as time goes on.
	Hold on.
	Let's hear.
	How about this?
	Since body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
	Seven.
	Okay.
	Going around the table, Michaela?
	One.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	Eight, okay.
	I'm not going to answer.
	Do you want to do range?
	Like 10 to 20, something like that?
	No comment.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no comment.
	Yeah, I don't think that's a good thing.
	You guys should do a comment.
	Give us a range.
	Anissa, range.
	How about the range?
	No comment.
	More than 10.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Range.
	Give us a range at least.
	Okay, so consider I'm 33.
	I think I'm the oldest one here.
	Yeah.
	Like.
	A range?
	Or you could give the number.
	I mean, I'm fine with the number.
	You could give the number, give the number.
	I feel like some things are supposed to be private.
	And some things are supposed to be.
	Especially if someone that's like trying to get married.
	You know? I should have a...
	Brian's whipping out the gifts.
	He's going to give a gift.
	Not that it's like a lot.
	I just feel like not everything has to be shared.
	It's a world.
	Hold on.
	My Lynn.
	Gertrude.
	Wait, you can't see it.
	What?
	There you go.
	Will you marry me?
	Wait, what?
	Will you marry me?
	So we're engaged.
	Once we're engaged, you can disclose your body count.
	Because you're already, it's like you're trying to get married.
	We're engaged.
	It's all good.
	I think it's something that's private between you and the person that you're with.
	Did you know there's just certain things that are supposed to be private?
	Range.
	How about just a range then?
	You don't have to give the exact number.
	Like, no.
	Okay.
	Just pass me.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Who's going to have some colonies here?
	I don't know the exact number, but I would say eight.
	She would say eight.
	Okay.
	Oh.
	That's a thing.
	That's.
	It's.
	I've been like essayed, so I don't.
	Consensual, consensual.
	I would just rather not talk on the subject.
	Like, that makes me very uncomfortable.
	Mine, I'm not going to reveal either, but it's all been for either hope of love or a roleplay fantasy.
	You could see it in their eyes.
	Or like the energy that day.
	That's that.
	Watch!
	You guys got screwed at the beginning of the table.
	Let's give something.
	Yo, guys, they were all on.
	Yo, chat.
	They said big ups to my girl, Michaela, to my girl Bella, to my girl.
	Ebony, why do you keep forgetting my name?
	My girl.
	No, I wasn't sure if you were a they, them.
	No, no, not because you look that way, because I feel like you didn't.
	Aren't you non-binary?
	No, when did I ever say I was non-binary?
	I thought you.
	When did I ever say that?
	What the fuck is going on?
	I'm sorry, Ebony.
	What the?
	When did I?
	I thought in your pronouns were she, they.
	No, you must be confusing me to be afraid of me.
	I must have you confused with somebody else.
	Yeah, you I apologize.
	Ebony.
	I apologize.
	I have to bow now.
	I've not bowed for years.
	I have to propose to make up for it.
	Yo, W's in the chat.
	I want to see Wakela, Wella, and Webony.
	Wait, Webany.
	Webony in the chat for actually revealing.
	Hold on.
	This is.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	You guys.
	And then to those of you who didn't, do it!
	Justin, do it!
	That's crazy.
	Don't let your dreams be dreams.
	That's crazy now.
	Yesterday, you said tomorrow.
	So just do it.
	Wait, your dreams come true.
	I will give a $2 bill.
	I have more than this.
	If you guys disclose, you each get a $2 bill.
	Do you know how much this is worth?
	Not $2.
	Do you know how much a $2 bill is worth?
	You can get it at the bank.
	Will you do it, Shelby?
	$2 bill?
	For $100.
	I don't care that much.
	That was a nice.
	What about you?
	No, okay.
	No.
	She.
	Okay.
	I said.
	She.
	Oh, you know, we forgot to congratulate her, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, Mike.
	I'm such a scumbag.
	Good job.
	I'm proud of you, Mecca.
	Good job.
	Weka in the chat.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There's the body count.
	Let's see if there's anything else.
	Ebony.
	You said.
	Oh, boy.
	Now we're getting.
	I wanted Andrew to stay for.
	Yo, Crucible Crew.
	You're going to want to hear this shit because it's crazy.
	Yeah, he's gone.
	Oh, that's why I'm really peaceful now.
	I wasn't here.
	I was in here.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, he's gone.
	I was hoping we could get into this.
	You said all men's income should be deposited directly into their wives' accounts.
	Yes.
	I don't agree.
	Married men should, like, their money.
	You have to pop the glasses off for this segment.
	Okay.
	We need to see your eyes.
	Yeah.
	It's possible to be able to do it.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Say this shit.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I think that when it comes to married men, all of their money should be deposited directly into their wives' accounts.
	Because, first of all, we know men love to cheat.
	Oh, my goodness.
	And so we know men love to go and give their money over to their mistresses and stuff like that.
	And I think to ensure that women aren't being screwed over, why not have it pragmatically where men have to get like when they apply for a job, they have, and they put in their bank information, they put in their wives.
	I think women should handle the finances in relationships.
	Do you understand the credit problem in America?
	Like who spends like the most money?
	Women.
	In like relationships and why most relationships end up in like financial.
	There are a lot of cultures where the women are the ones who handle the finances and it's perfectly fine.
	In capitalist society, it's not panning out.
	Women are 70% of the consumers.
	We target women when we're marketing most of the time.
	Anyways, just to move things on, though, that's not even the most interesting thing you say.
	You say male chastity is superior.
	Yes.
	Wait, what does that mean?
	Okay, so basically, I don't, like I do, FinDomer.
	I'm in that world.
	Are you familiar with the chastity cage?
	Yeah, I know what that is.
	So I think it's like a belt.
	Yeah, it locks up their balls and their balls.
	I don't know if I can say it on here.
	But yeah, it locks their pee-pee up.
	And I think we as a society should normalize that.
	I think we as a society, society, society should normalize men being in chastity cages.
	I think that it would prevent a lot of cheating that men like to do.
	So for example, right, I think that if a man wants to be in a relationship with a woman, like in the talking stages or the dating stages, I think that he should allow her to put a cage on.
	I mean, yeah, he should allow her to put a cage on him.
	She keeps the key.
	And then if he goes around doing things with other women, she'll know, right?
	And so, you know, he can now.
	It's nothing unconsensual.
	Raise your hands if you're in favor of the chastity cage for men.
	I agree.
	Just to be clear, Brian, she might be on to something.
	Right.
	Wait, raise a hand.
	Show hands.
	Raise them high.
	Michaela, no, not in favor.
	Bella loves it.
	Loves it, loves it, loves it.
	Not you.
	Hold on.
	Y'all object to just a bow, but y'all want to put a cage on a ship.
	Men jump more.
	They lie more.
	I think that in order to prevent them from indulging in their lust and being weak to their lust, I think we have, as women, have a responsibility to hold them accountable.
	Well, that's not even the craziest thing that you think.
	You also think that men should have curfews.
	Yes.
	I think men are a danger to themselves, and I think that in order to keep the streets...
	Keep the streets?
	I think in order to keep the streets not only safer for women, but even for men themselves, I think we should have men have curfews.
	Yeah.
	Women knows.
	No, because women are a danger to society like men are.
	What?
	Have you seen a woman die?
	Yeah.
	Question, though.
	What time does the curfew start?
	Like dark?
	I think probably not, and I'm talking about non-working men because I know there will be like police officers, but like we would need someone to enforce this, right?
	But I think probably like 11 p.m.
	Because, you know, once it gets to like 12, it's like that's when all the bad things happen.
	I was thinking you'd go for like 9 p.m.
	But 11 p.m. I think, you know, once we get to like midnight, that's when all the bad stuff starts going on.
	Raise of hand from the women at the table.
	Should men have an 11, any curfew.
	Should they have any curfew show of hands from the women?
	Oh, yeah, man.
	Damn, Bella.
	Yes.
	Oh, my goodness.
	All right.
	Well, that's the best.
	The clubs and bars are probably going to go to business, but that's not even the worst, bro.
	How is there more?
	I thought that was it.
	How is there more?
	Now, before we have some tweets of yours that we're going to pull up.
	Before we do, I found on some of your other pages, here are some things you've said.
	Actually, no, do we do the tweets first?
	Let's do the tweets first.
	Are we talking about my TikTok lives?
	I have no idea.
	No.
	But your friend who was going to be on the show, was it her who was into the weird raceplay stuff?
	Yeah.
	Are you into that or no?
	No.
	Because I got her on that.
	I got her on that.
	She was like, yes, I would do race play in front of the ghost of Malcolm X.
	Yeah.
	Ridiculous, bro.
	Yo, we got two other black women here.
	Okay.
	What does this mean?
	Black woman.
	Black woman, she said, like she's into race play stuff.
	Like she wants a white dude to like say to be having sex with her and like saying the hard all.
	And then I asked her, I was like, would you be, how would you feel doing that in front of the ghost of MLK?
	And she was like, that would make it better.
	Oh, my God.
	And I was like, what about Malcolm X?
	Even better.
	I was like, that's fucked up.
	That's crazy.
	I wish she was here.
	She's such a character, bro.
	Next time.
	Next time.
	We'll get her off.
	Oh, she sounds like she's like, all right, guys.
	You guys are going to think these tweets are crazy, though.
	Michaela's going to love it.
	Bella's going to love it.
	Shelby's going to love it.
	Anissa's going to love it.
	Mecca's going to love it.
	I don't know how you're going to feel.
	You guys might be upset.
	I don't know.
	Okay, well, I'm just going to.
	I don't know how you guys are going to think.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Pull up the tweets.
	Oh, my God.
	Now, I want you to.
	While we go through, there's like 20 of these.
	I want you to read it.
	Say it.
	Slayer of white men.
	Wow, that's race.
	And you've got the middle finger.
	I mean, white men are the main clientele in FinDom.
	They really like to be dominated.
	I don't know.
	Slayer of white men.
	Okay, next.
	Read them as they come up.
	Read it.
	I keep men in cages and only let them out to make more money for me.
	Yep.
	Despicable.
	Absolutely despicable.
	Yep.
	That is abhorrent.
	Next.
	I love using and abusing men with no mercy.
	And that's just simple, Mike.
	It is. Despicable.
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	Next.
	I hate men.
	But men love you.
	And then he commented back.
	Next.
	Wow.
	Stupid white boy.
	You said this about me, didn't you?
	I do.
	This is after our live show.
	Stupid white boy, bro.
	That's really racist.
	Okay, next.
	Men deserve to be treated less than dogs.
	They need to be locked up in cages and only allowed to come out to only allowed to come out only to shit, piss, and eat, but only if they've been good boys.
	Yep, I stand on that.
	Mikayla's smiling.
	She's holding back a smirk.
	Especially.
	I think she's enjoying this.
	I don't know.
	Hold on.
	Listen, we've only looked at like four or five of them.
	I'm not even going to say anything.
	I'm going to let the women at the table.
	Do you have any objections to these statements that she's making?
	Girl, they're out of pocket.
	I think we all like that.
	Why I'm laughing because they're out of pocket.
	Like, they're just crazy.
	I mean, I agree with that.
	I hate men, but I like that for fun.
	Like, I'll say that for fun.
	Like, I don't actually, like, I don't actually hate men, but no, the one about the cages.
	Okay.
	No, I feel like sometimes we all have these like inner thoughts.
	Like, when a guy, like, or something, it's like your tweets to get red back to you.
	That's why I'm like, yeah.
	It's like, if you're an inner thought, you didn't hear me.
	No girls here have.
	Come on, it's crazy.
	Do you actually believe those things?
	I mean, I told you my views.
	I think men should be, I think we should normalize chastity cages.
	I think we should have curfews on men.
	I think she's a misantress.
	Yeah.
	I'm a female supremacist.
	Yeah.
	She believes this shit.
	I just thought they were funny.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	She's for real.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think that men are lesser.
	I think men are weak, and that's why they're giving all their money to women online.
	Are they weak?
	No, just weak-minded.
	Okay.
	Ladies.
	You guys aren't.
	There's a lot of generalizing.
	You guys should be like, I mean, as a woman, you should be like, I will not stand for this.
	I mean, I walk because it's crazy.
	Like, if I agree.
	If a man said that, there would be so much turmoil about it.
	But a woman saying it, like, it's societally acceptable.
	Like, it's.
	It's, it is.
	It's.
	I don't think that it's okay to say that about either genders.
	I think you live in a beautiful society that has been created and sustained by men.
	And it's almost fascinatingly interesting that you can make those kind of claims because of the beautiful society that you've been living in that gives you the rights to say that.
	That they made for us.
	You can have that interesting of a viewpoint.
	Let's do it.
	Let's see the rest.
	Are there?
	Let's see the rest.
	Read it.
	BNWO.
	That stands.
	Okay, wait, I didn't read it.
	Where are the good white boys who love to submit to BNWO?
	BNWO stands for Black New World Order.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Watch!
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	What is that?
	I don't know what that is.
	What is that?
	Do you guys know what that is?
	So I've never heard of that before.
	Are you familiar with like cuckholding?
	Oh, my God.
	Sadly.
	Yeah, it's like, it's like in that realm, in a sense.
	It's like when a guy watches like the wife fucking.
	Okay, I figured.
	We got a message here.
	Christopher Murphy, if Andrew didn't leave, you would be in turmoil, chair three.
	I tried to tell him.
	I tried to tell him.
	I'm like, bro, you want to stay for this shit, but okay.
	All right.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Christopher Murphy with the big $200 super chat.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Next, we'll do the next one.
	Go ahead.
	Men shouldn't vote.
	Just make them slaves so they can send all their money to me.
	Yeah, I think that.
	I think that, you know, men voting is why we're in this predicament now, unfortunately.
	What predicament?
	What's the predicament?
	We have this predicament.
	Trump is removing the Constitution officials.
	No, he's a paid.
	Yes, he did.
	And he's focusing on trans people.
	Like, we're not literally in an economic recession right now.
	Or what?
	Like, recession.
	We're in a recession.
	And he's focusing on attacking trans people.
	Are we not anymore?
	Are you talking about the executive order today about the like ban, or maybe it was yesterday, like banning the transgender people from the military?
	Stuff like that.
	He's also been doing other stuff.
	Why is that wrong?
	I mean, because why?
	Like, let trans people do exactly what everyone else does.
	Okay, but do trans people need like ongoing perpetual medical intervention?
	No, I don't think so.
	They don't need hormones constantly?
	Yeah, but I mean, there's people with.
	Do they need surgical procedures?
	Do you think it's the military's job to give trans people surgical procedures, like giving a male fake tits?
	I have a theory on that, by the way.
	I don't think they need surgical procedures.
	I think.
	But they need the hormones, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, do you think in like a battlefield situation that we should like be giving estrogen hormones to male combatants?
	Male as in like trans men?
	No, male as in transgender women.
	Yeah.
	I mean, why not?
	I think, like, are we going to stop people with mental health issues from being in the military?
	Yes, it is a mental health issue.
	So, if the, I guess, the conservative position on this is that they view this as a mental illness issue, then the military frequently precludes people with mental illness from being able to serve in the military.
	Okay.
	And so, and not only is it mental illness, but if it requires constant medication, which comes at the expense of the military, this has nothing to do with making the military an effective offensive or defensive force.
	Well, then, I guess if it's coming from that perspective, it's like the medication thing, then I guess so.
	I could see, I could see that, but it's just the other stuff of like, oh, well, we're not going to recognize their identity and stuff.
	I don't think that's important at all.
	What does it mean to her?
	He's like, there's only going to be two genders recognized in this country, like man and woman.
	Shelby says, because yeah, there is, and that's why a trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman.
	Their gender reveal when they were being born, they were either a boy or a girl.
	So, do you think that when a woman transitions to be a man or when a man transitions to be a woman, she or he is completely equal to the sex that they have transitioned to?
	Like, do you think there's any distinguishable characteristics between a biological female and a trans female or a biological male and a trans male?
	Sure, there are some biological differences, but I think as long as they're on the hormones and like they're doing the surgeries, like over time, like are you talking about the physical strength thing, like the worry about sports in bathrooms and stuff?
	Yeah, I mean, there's just a whole bunch of things that men and women are literally built differently.
	Like, there are things that you have as a female and a male has that are different.
	We're not born the same, right?
	But again, like these people are taking hormones that are suppressing like their physical strength.
	And I mean, when a trans woman loses a sport, vector-dominated tips.
	We'll get more into that stuff a little bit later.
	Girl in chair three, the only case we really need is a gibbet for you.
	Just put it in the public square and invite every mentally ill man that gave you money to watch you suffer.
	What is a gibbet?
	I'm actually not sure what a gibbet is.
	That is cool.
	Here, let's get through the rest of the tweets, then we can come back to some of this convo.
	Go ahead, pull it up.
	All right, read it for us.
	Oh, what did I say?
	I've been on break for half of a month, and I'm still making four figures.
	A little men will always be failures.
	Yikes.
	Okay, next.
	Men are so dumb.
	Yikes, next.
	Had a sub send me eight.
	Wait, how did a sub send me 8,000?
	Oh, it disappeared.
	Oh, here.
	Although men are too men are too dumb.
	Okay, next.
	These subs are liars.
	They may be submissive, but they're still men.
	Yeah, that, that, that came from like a lot of like these subs.
	They'll, they'll, like, next.
	Next?
	Okay.
	White men deserve to be lost in chastity forever.
	It's not just men, it's white.
	Damn, dude.
	But, like, as a mentally stable woman, I would never say anything like that.
	So you're saying she's mentally unstable?
	I mean, say it, say it with your chest.
	Say it with your chest.
	Yes, go ahead, Shelby.
	Basically, you got it.
	Do you need the squid?
	You need the squid to say it?
	Go ahead.
	Get her the squid.
	The evidence and some of the beliefs that you have, it does lead me to.
	What's unstable about it?
	It's like you have all these bad connotations about men.
	And white men in particular.
	Have you never met like a good man?
	Like, have you never met a man that you're like, oh, he doesn't deserve to be in a cage?
	I'd love to get to know you.
	What about Barack Obama?
	Does he belong in the cage?
	Joe Bailey.
	I think they all do.
	Even Barack Obama.
	Yes.
	What about Nelson Mandela?
	I don't know who that is.
	I've heard that name before, but I don't know who that.
	Like, what is he known for?
	You don't know Nelson Mandela, South Africa?
	Oh, dad.
	Are your tweets who find like guys to like?
	Because guys.
	Do you think MLK?
	Sorry, sorry.
	Yeah, they find me through my Twitter.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So that's what I was kind of figuring.
	Because guys that want Dominatrix, they see these tweets like, oh, yeah, like she'll put me in my place.
	I kind of figured Twitter to get more.
	It's marketing.
	So it's not a working thing.
	It's emotional.
	So you don't actually.
	No, she means it.
	So you definitely.
	Would you put Gandhi in a cage?
	Who is Gandhi?
	I don't know these people you're talking about.
	How do you not know who Gandhi is?
	Would you put, I don't know, would you put MLK in a cage?
	Oh, definitely.
	I think he was cheating on his wife.
	Yikes.
	I guess there is some truth to that.
	He was probably cheating.
	I think that's the rumors, anyways.
	Malcolm X in the cage.
	I don't know much about him.
	You just like.
	Probably.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	By the way, JC says, normally we don't do tens, but we, the black community, do not claim this woman.
	She does not speak for us.
	We are intelligent, I promise.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm tired.
	Next.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Oh, my goodness.
	They keep coming.
	Go ahead, Rita.
	Juneteenth, white boy.
	Reparations are due.
	Get to sending to some black goddesses.
	You know, it's actually funny.
	I got like $1,000 from that tweet alone.
	You know what?
	I feel like.
	Oh, boy.
	Would you be willing to pay me reparations?
	For what?
	For going through these tweets?
	No, but are you right-handed or left-handed?
	I'm right-handed.
	I'm left-handed.
	And this has nothing to do with race.
	But I feel, because I'm left-handed, I am owed by the right-handed people because scissors fuck me up.
	Desks, the fucking desks, you know, when you were a kid, they had like the little thing on the right side, never on the left side for your arm.
	Ink, bro, if you write left-handed with a pencil, smeared.
	I invested more in soap because of this, okay?
	The oppression of left-handed.
	Who here is right-handed?
	Raise your fucking hands, you right-handed.
	You're left-handed?
	I'm a lefty.
	I want all of you to go into your purses right now and give me.
	She doesn't get anything, but give me 10 bucks for the pain that I have been through.
	I'll cash it.
	Also, my vision's bad.
	So who here has good vision?
	My vision.
	I'm wearing glasses, so.
	Every year I spend hundreds of dollars on new spectacles and contacts.
	I think you guys need to pay me reparations too.
	Seems like bad genetics.
	You guys, wow.
	Okay, that was cool.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Wait, this is one of the most.
	Okay. Thank you.
	Thank you, Jeff.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the message.
	Oh, we have this.
	Oh, okay.
	Ha ha ha donated $200.
	Wait, what?
	Red shirt is a disgusting coward, please.
	Who's red shirt?
	K Y E S S you have a fat racist baboon in front of you and all of you are too cowardly to say anything pathetic.
	Wait, what?
	Wait, what?
	Is it me?
	No, I think, I don't know.
	I'm a little confused.
	Ha ha ha.
	Red shirt is disgusting.
	I'm so confused.
	Is he confusing me and her?
	Am I the because I'm the only fat person here, so am I the fat racist baboon?
	Okay, why?
	I'm so boss.
	Everybody here is pretty trim.
	So, I mean, I don't know who they're talking about, but all right.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	How many more?
	Let's get to the rest.
	Pull it up.
	Read it.
	Wow.
	Another I Hate Men classic.
	That's just.
	Wow.
	Oh, my God.
	Next.
	Just turned.
	Just turned an alpha man into a simp.
	I love being hot.
	I mean, hold on.
	What?
	Next.
	Shut the hell up.
	Normalize putting men in cages and leaving them there to rot and poke them with a steak every now and then.
	I love that response.
	Nobody looked directly at me.
	Next.
	Oh, my God.
	All you pathetic white beta cucks should be begging to serve as my lifelong bitch and ATM.
	That's all you are and will ever be.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	I mean.
	Next.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Can I say that word?
	Yeah, you can say it's fun.
	Such a tiny penis makes you such a worthless man.
	The hottest thing you can do is open up your wallet and shut the fuck up.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	Oh, my bad.
	You should know that your place as a man is to open that fucking wallet and shut the fuck up.
	I'm just so iconic, like looking back at these.
	It's like, you know, this ass makes you weak, white boy.
	You know what?
	Fuck it.
	Scroll down.
	No, don't do that.
	Wait, is she?
	Wait.
	Check it first.
	Make sure it's okay.
	Is it naked?
	All right, fuck it.
	I was in the gym.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	Hide us.
	I mean, shut the hell up.
	Y'all be dealing with the flattest asses.
	Hold on.
	As a pale white guy.
	Eh.
	Whatever, dude.
	Whatever, dude.
	That's not even my best photo.
	I could have done better.
	Wait, you know what?
	After seeing that photo, I think any guy who's attracted to your phenotype is a PDF file.
	I don't think you've got enough.
	I look like a child.
	I don't think you have enough.
	Therefore, phenotype.
	I don't have enough grown woman booty.
	There's just not enough there.
	I'm sorry, my dear.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm working on it.
	That's why I was in the gym.
	I'm working on it.
	Okay, good talk.
	Next.
	Is there.
	My goodness.
	Shows?
	Juneteenth is coming soon, and you white boys have some reparations to pay handed over loser.
	Damn, that's fucked up.
	Okay, next.
	Okay.
	I love being a home-wrecking bratty domie, making old men send me money and think about me all night while they laid next to their sleeping wives.
	It's so hot.
	Wait, tilt your mic down a little bit.
	Wait, so you're you like enjoy the whole ruining marriages thing?
	I don't ruin any marriages.
	I just think it's funny.
	You think it's funny to ruin marriages?
	Didn't you say that men deserve being put into a chastity belt because they cheat?
	Yeah.
	And yeah.
	But it's not my responsibility as a stranger to make sure that they don't cheat.
	That's crazy, man.
	All right.
	Is there any more?
	That's their own choice.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Oh, my.
	That was a lot.
	I don't know if it's hard to handle all that racism and sexism.
	Do the girls here have any of the girls want to rebuke her?
	We need savings.
	Somebody needs to come to our defense.
	All right.
	Any girls here going to rebuke this?
	Yeah, I think there's probably a lot of generalization.
	And then maybe I don't think you should ever talk about anyone's race or even like I just believe if you're going to, you should respect everyone.
	And like whether they're men.
	I don't respect everyone.
	I'm not racist.
	It's just a.
	Telling people they should be locked up in cages and poked with a stick.
	It doesn't really sound like respect.
	I feel like you don't either like respect.
	They don't deserve respect.
	That's what they like.
	It's crazy, bro.
	Crazy, bro.
	Let me shout out.
	Let me see if anybody has to do it.
	I mean, like, they're funny if it's like a joke.
	I don't need it.
	It's just a kink.
	It's just a sexual domination kink.
	That's all.
	Guys, if you want to do a contribution, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod, I'll give you guys a shout out.
	We just have Ian, who sent in 10 via Venmo.
	And then we have, thank you so much, man.
	And then we had, it was, wait, it was Carissa with the 15 on Cash App.
	Thank you guys so much.
	W's in the chat for them.
	Okay, so we have a chat here from Lucas.
	Finny, hate to burst your female supremacy bubble, but your supremacy redounds to nothing more than being an incubator covered by protoplasm.
	Big words here.
	Unfortunately, you don't come with a mute button.
	Can I respond?
	Yeah, so I know and I understand that you are a loser with a pot belly and a receding hairline living in your mother's basement making 30k a year.
	But sending half of your weekly income to a podcast to talk to a girl who's getting money because you're a hater will not make you a high-value man.
	Please go spend that money on a decent date to Applebee's like you can afford on a girl.
	And maybe then you'll stop being so bitter, okay?
	Did somebody pee at the table?
	What is it smelling?
	It smells like piss, bro.
	Did somebody pee?
	I think it's coming outside.
	Are you trying to get the attention off of you?
	Did you pee?
	No, the bathroom does kind of smell.
	I think I'm starting to smell it.
	But it's coming from now.
	Who did it?
	Who did it?
	Wait, hey, Damien, can you close the bathroom door, man?
	That's crazy.
	Damn, somebody.
	No, I think it's like smells.
	Somebody's been eating their asparagus.
	Who had asparagus?
	Somebody got some fox urine or some shit.
	I don't know.
	That's crazy.
	Yo, Luke, thank you for that.
	Lucas, excuse me.
	Thank you, man.
	Do appreciate it.
	Let's see here.
	And then, okay, well, that's pretty much it for all the notes.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We have just a few more.
	A few more things to get through.
	Who's willing to take off their makeup?
	Michaela, you just.
	You don't want to.
	$2.
	But y'all in a $2 bill.
	I'll wipe my face to prove all that.
	I've been up since 4 a.m.
	Just so you know.
	I have makeup on.
	Like, barely.
	Who will take it off?
	Will you take it off?
	No, no.
	Wait, you said you would take it off.
	I did say you took it off.
	You said I was gonna know.
	Anissa, hey, come on.
	No.
	Anissa.
	Come on.
	It was like four other girls that said they'll take their makeup off.
	I'm not gonna make it.
	Take your makeup off.
	What's the point of this?
	It's to bed from the makeup copy because I'm not going to be able to get it.
	Go ahead, Bella.
	Go for it.
	I don't have to wash my face when I get home.
	Anybody else?
	Anybody?
	Michaela?
	No, I just don't want to do it because then I have to wash my face off immediately after I have that stuff on it.
	Those makeup wipes have so much oil in them.
	Yeah, nothing.
	Those are off of the line.
	This is the second time.
	The best.
	Only the best for my girls.
	I get you Neutrogena.
	You want some off-brand, like, CVS.
	No, I get you Neutrogena.
	Okay.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	I'm a gentleman.
	All right, here, we're going to do a few things from the questionnaires.
	We're not going to do everything just because it's already late.
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	Didn't notice.
	Yeah.
	So funny.
	Wait, were there other Reacts, Damien?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think there's any other Reacts.
	All right, here, we'll do this.
	Let's see.
	One sec, guys.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists here before we get into a few other things and then wrap up the show?
	I just wanted to say, since I used to do Find them too, you still do it.
	Why don't you do it anymore?
	You still do it.
	Oh, it is a lot of work, isn't it?
	That's how I've been kind of like, and he said they're top of the line.
	They are top of the line.
	It's not really about her trying to be racist.
	It's just the white men typically like being called for being white men.
	Like the people that she's attracting, they thrive on the fact that they're being called white men.
	Right.
	It gets like a kink to them.
	Exactly.
	I've never met a white guy.
	A little weird.
	It's a little weird, but like, it's not her time to be able to.
	You're going to take the fakes off too, or are those glued on for?
	Okay.
	Doesn't matter.
	Are you going to take your makeup off?
	No.
	I'm leaving all my makeup on.
	Shave that beard.
	Let's see.
	Okay, let's get into it.
	Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
	Bear.
	Bear.
	Wait, let's start with Michaela.
	I would definitely rather cross paths with a man.
	Okay.
	I said bear.
	Just scoot your mic a little closer to you.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Man.
	Oh, wow.
	That's surprising.
	Okay.
	Shelby.
	A bear.
	Bear.
	A man.
	A bear.
	A bear.
	I've actually had that happen.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	And then what about you, Samson?
	Man.
	Man.
	Okay, a lot of bears here.
	Why do you, really quickly, we won't linger too long on it.
	Why do you pick Bear?
	Because I can't kill you.
	I was starting with Bella.
	I feel like with a bear, I would just get killed.
	But with the man, I would.
	Arward.
	Soft bear.
	Next.
	Shelby.
	I picked the bear because it's just their natural instinct and they don't really know that they're doing anything wrong.
	Whereas a man obviously knows what they're doing and they can torture you longer.
	And I wouldn't feel as like victimized by a bear.
	Okay.
	Who else?
	A bear, just like you guys said, like it's natural instincts.
	He crossed paths with a man.
	What was it in a forest?
	Like, what is he doing in a forest?
	You don't know his intentions.
	He's hiking.
	You're probably.
	We didn't specify if it's like a hiker.
	I think it's like a hike.
	You're in the forest.
	I'm not going to cross paths with a bear.
	Okay.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Because I think I'll be able to figure out ways to kill a bear and then I could eat its meat, use its fur to keep warm.
	How are you going to kill the bear?
	I don't know, but I'll figure it out.
	Even guns don't kill bears.
	Like, you need a certain caliber to kill a bear.
	Or just wait till it dies.
	I don't know.
	I'll figure it out.
	I'm not disagreeing with you because I also chose bear.
	Okay, well, it's more useful.
	Bear is more useful.
	I have, I've come across a bear twice backpacking because that's like one of my favorite things to do is backpack, and I go by myself.
	And one time, the bear literally just saw me and kept walking.
	The other time I was asleep and it came across my tent and literally sniffed me and kept walking.
	But I have had men follow me into the wilderness when I've been on like 60-mile backpacking trips, and that is absolutely terrifying.
	Like one time, I literally had a family that I saw as I was going around the Prescott circuit loop because I used to live in Arizona, and I had to get a ride back with them to my car because there was a man following me for 10 miles, and he thought I didn't see him, but he was behind me.
	So I'd rather be with the bear in that situation.
	Yeah, but how many men have you walked past that did absolutely nothing to you?
	That's fair.
	I mean, is the, you know, bears sometimes don't, sometimes they're not bothered by you.
	And if it's, you know, an aggressive bear or an aggressive man, I still would rather be around an aggressive bear because a man will sexually assault you before you die versus a bear will kill you.
	So I'd rather be killed than sexually assaulted and then killed.
	But I mean, you have significantly more data points when it comes to interactions with men.
	Yeah, sure, there are bad men out there, and maybe they've done bad things to you, or you've had uncomfortable or awful experiences with men.
	I don't doubt this at all.
	But you also have like data points of like men who you just walk past the street.
	That's true.
	Don't even look at you, don't care whatsoever.
	If they're following.
	You've probably passed tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of men in your entire life.
	Didn't do a single thing to you.
	That's fine.
	But is basically my understanding is: well, either you have experiences, or maybe you've, on top of that, you've heard experiences of other women who've had bad experiences with men.
	And because of this, there's like some you, your concern as well, the guy could SA me essentially.
	So on that note, what is what percentage of men then?
	Because you're doing a risk assessment.
	You're thinking, well, the man could do nothing.
	The bear could do nothing.
	The bear could kill me.
	The man could kill me.
	The man could SA me.
	What percentage of men do you think would be inclined to essay a woman in this situation?
	Like a woman alone in the woods.
	Yeah, what percentage of men?
	I don't know.
	It doesn't have to be precise.
	It could be, you could say 50%, 60%, 30%, 10%.
	What do you think?
	I really can't answer that question.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think if they were following me, then that's obviously a different scenario.
	If you're just saying a random man or a bear, I would pick the man if he's not following me.
	But if they're following me, that's okay.
	Okay, look, here's the scenario.
	You spawn into a forest randomly.
	Then you have two buttons that are presented to you.
	You can spawn in a random man from the entire U.S. population or a random bear.
	Okay, man, then man.
	But if, yeah, that's different.
	That's not how I understood the question though.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	We got you.
	You said bear.
	What do you, I mean, so you, all of you who say bear, I'm assuming there's some component of fear when it comes to essay.
	What percentage of men do you think would essay you?
	Or be inclined to essay, I guess?
	Maybe like 50%.
	Half?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	50.
	Into the mic, just closer.
	50.
	50.
	I'd say like 60.
	60.
	30?
	30.
	Would be.
	Okay, so wait.
	50, 50, 60, 30.
	Oh, well, you said man, but not.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just like, what was the question?
	The question was, would be inclined to SA.
	What percentage of men in the entire population of the United States would you think, if given this opportunity, would essay you?
	I mean, I answered Bear, but you still want, I mean, man.
	Do you still want to ask me?
	I mean, if you want, it sounded like you wanted to answer.
	Like, 1%, maybe.
	1%.
	Okay, sure.
	89.
	Huh?
	89.
	89%.
	I do, I think.
	Yeah.
	I think it's.
	But you pick.
	If you think that, you pick man?
	You said you picked man, right?
	Well, Bear will kill you.
	You're talking about just essay.
	Yeah.
	That's a different 89.
	Wow.
	Okay, so 89, 50, 50, 60, 30.
	Let's, I guess, start with those.
	Do you have brothers?
	One.
	One brother?
	You have cousin?
	Male cousins?
	Sisters?
	One.
	Two.
	You have a dad?
	No.
	No dad?
	No.
	Passed away?
	There's no dads.
	Oh, okay.
	Grandparents?
	No.
	Male grandparents.
	Grandpa.
	Okay, grandpa.
	You have brothers?
	How many brothers?
	One.
	One.
	You have a dad?
	Yeah.
	Grandparents?
	Male cousins?
	Yeah.
	Four brothers.
	Four brothers?
	You got a dad?
	Yeah.
	Grandparents?
	Yeah.
	Male cousins?
	Yeah.
	Brothers?
	Father?
	Grandparent?
	Okay.
	Do you have male friends?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No, dad.
	Brothers?
	No.
	Father?
	Yeah.
	Male friends?
	Cousins?
	Yeah.
	Grandparents.
	Okay.
	So you said you had four brothers, was it?
	And sorry, did you say you had one brother?
	Yeah.
	So there's like a 50% chance your brother's an essayer.
	And then two of your brothers are essayers.
	No, I'm not saying they are.
	Well, you said 50% of men, this would include your immediate family.
	True.
	So I want you to look into this camera right here, and you don't have to say their name, but be like, hey, my, I don't know, maybe you don't know which of the two brothers are essayers, but tell your brothers that they're essayers.
	No.
	But, oh, so your family is just different?
	No, I'm not saying they're different, but I'm not going to say that either.
	What the hell?
	But why not?
	I mean, your own statistics would indicate that two of your blood brothers are essayers.
	They could probably be the 50% that's not.
	Shelby, you said you had male friends.
	60% of them are SAers.
	All the men you know, 60% of them SARs?
	Well, that's because, like, I don't hang around people that would, like, do things like that.
	So it, like, excuse me.
	How do you know?
	I mean, I don't, but 30% of all your male relatives are essayers.
	If given the chance, I think.
	Look into this camera and say, hi, family.
	I'll see you at the family reunion.
	30% of you men are essayers.
	Say it into the camera.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm just saying if they were given the chance, no repercussions, they would.
	33%.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it would change the whole culture of the world and then just be.
	And then you, 89% of your male, not my family, of the world.
	Like, if it was allowed, the whole world would be different.
	I don't know.
	That's kind of crazy, but pretty wild.
	Okay, well.
	Lo siento.
	All right, let's see here.
	A couple more notes.
	While I'm just looking at these, any thoughts from anybody?
	Any final topics you guys want to hit on?
	We're going to wrap here very soon.
	This is making me sad.
	Very sad.
	Well, just the.
	How incredibly, I don't know.
	You guys are so down on men.
	I mean, you guys have had bad situations.
	I mean, 50% of men you think would SA you if they got the chance.
	That's that's an incredible, incredible statistic.
	They say, and I don't know any of these girls, that they have all had at least one experience, and that's like bare minimum of feeling assaulted at one point in their life.
	That is so that's it's so terrible, which I totally agree with, but just consider the amount of people, of men that you've had good interactions with.
	I get like verbally assaulted like every single day.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	How do you get verbally assumed?
	What happens?
	Tell me what happened today.
	I work at like a coffee shop, and like literally an older man with his family was like, I can't remember the verbiage, but he's like, I'm trying to think of a way to assault this girl or harass this girl.
	He said, harass this girl.
	Today.
	Yes.
	He said, I'm thinking of a way.
	I don't have work today.
	He was with his family.
	Yeah.
	Like, it happens like way more than y'all think because you guys don't experience it through our eyes.
	And like being a girl, you don't experience it.
	But how many good interactions do you have with a man on every single day?
	No, it does because it's percentages.
	It's like if you're taking the negative, the negative things, you have to take the positive ones into account as well.
	You know, that's like me getting whatever hurt by my expectations say things.
	guys like they'll look at you and you don't even know what's going through their minds the culture is surrounding sex right Like that's what we were talking about earlier with hookup culture.
	So it's fair to say that like these frustrated men are assaulting women.
	Like there, there are there are a lot of cases of assault and if not if not reported, well, you know, sometimes it's like you feel vulnerable.
	You feel like you can't report it because how was I weak enough to let this happen to me?
	Like you start to question your own worth when you're in a position like that.
	And you know, maybe it's not 50%.
	Maybe it's only 20%.
	But when you don't report it, then they'll do it to the next person as well.
	And a lot of times it's within relationships.
	So you're saying that not reporting it is the problem?
	No, no, no, I'm not saying that.
	Well, it sounds like that's a really big part of the problem.
	It's very difficult to report something like that.
	I mean, have you been sexually assaulted?
	Well, I mean, the problem needs to be fixed.
	So the problem's going to be fixed.
	I don't think the answer is chastity belts.
	I don't think the answer is that either.
	I think the answer is self-control and seeing human beings as things that are worthy of respect, not assaulting them.
	I think that's the answer.
	Well, I would just ask for a little bit lower of a percentage because that is pretty insulting.
	Like dating apps, like the first thing a lot of guys will say is just something lustful.
	Well, I mean, you are engaging with hookup culture.
	You're in a position where you're putting yourself out there.
	I mean, most women that I know on Tinder, most men that I know on Tinder as well, like are very much on there to engage in hookup culture.
	It's Tinder, though.
	Hold on.
	The internet is like both men and women receive all kinds of ridiculous stuff on the internet.
	Your complaint here has shifted from like an actual crime to a man saying like an inappropriate, perhaps sexual statement on a dating app.
	Like grow some thicker skin.
	Yeah, guys shouldn't be doing that.
	But like a guy's like, oh, nice titties on a dating app.
	Bro, grow thicker skin.
	I mean, I got my first gun at 18, my first pistol.
	I was gifted it because of men, because my parents were worried about the hobbies that I have and me encountering a man, you know, doing one of those things, whether it was, you know, going on a dirt biking trip and them seeing that I was alone and them, you know, trying to come after me there, or whether it was backpacking and somebody, you know, trying to stalk me like I had happened.
	So, you know, there is something that's not talked about there.
	I'm not saying that men are innately horrible.
	I'm not saying that men, you know, innately want to sexually assault women.
	And I do think there are a lot of great men out there.
	However, there's something that's not really spoken about.
	most women i mean i i don't know the statistic but a lot of these women have have been assaulted and and if yeah well hold on I want to challenge this assault thing because there's all these surveys that are out there.
	Rain publishes it.
	These other places publish it.
	And if you actually, I've actually investigated these surveys that they do.
	Now, we can go off like FBI and DOJ statistics when it comes to violent crime because that's, you say, well, they don't report.
	How else can we make a determination as to what actually has happened and what doesn't unless we're looking at crime statistics?
	But if we're looking at surveys, which are dubious at best, and these, mind you, these surveys have significant bias.
	And a lot of these surveys, one, there's self-selection.
	People are like, oh, I want to answer this.
	I don't.
	If you actually look at the content of it, what they include, there's like different levels of what they'll consider assault.
	And in the surveys, they'll ask women questions like, have you ever been cat-culled?
	I don't think catcalling is appropriate.
	I don't think you have been sexually assaulted if a guy said an inappropriate thing to you in the street.
	I don't think men should do it.
	I think it's wrong.
	But they include that in the statistics to try to forward a narrative and pad the numbers to make it to create this sort of fear dynamic in women that this is something that is far more common than actually is.
	I think it's insulting to women who are actually victims of awful crimes.
	But to include things like cat calling or inappropriate jokes or a guy, I read one of these.
	If your boyfriend wants to break up with you because you no longer have sex with him, that's sexual coercion.
	I'm sorry, whether you're a man or a woman, if your partner no longer wants to have sex with you, if you're a woman, you can dump the guy.
	If you're a man, you can dump the woman.
	That's not a sex crime.
	That's not sexual assault.
	That's not sexual coercion.
	That's just a fair expectation to have in a relationship.
	But because these feminist institutions want to pad their position, they're going to include cat calling and inappropriate jokes and a boyfriend who breaks up with his girlfriend or maybe says he wants to break up with her because they're not having sex anymore.
	Okay, I never argued a statistic because I don't know any of the statistics.
	And so what I'm saying here is actual Sexual sexual assault.
	That's sexual harassment.
	There's a clear line with that, even in the workplace.
	But they include that in the sexual assault statistics.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	And, you know, that's definitely worked then because women do have a sense of fear around men.
	Like, you do not want to be the only woman in a room of 20 guys.
	But if you're going to throw out a statistic I didn't throw out a statistic I'm saying all of you guys I didn't say enough No, no, no, sorry.
	I'm talking to the 50%ers, the 60%ers.
	And you guys, if you choose to be out in the wilderness with a bear instead of a man, you have to understand, like, you have to look into that camera and say that the men in your lives, your family, your dads, your brothers, like, they are included in that statistic that you think.
	Like, I know your experiences may have been terrible, but at the same time, you have to include them in there.
	And like most of you guys said, you won't because that's not an accurate representation of the actual percentage.
	I think you guys have a lot more faith in men than you actually think you do.
	But those statistics don't reflect that at all.
	Here, how about this, though?
	Why don't we just go ahead and grant it?
	Like, that maybe the rates are this high.
	Is it you or me, bro?
	What do you mean?
	50%.
	It's 50%.
	We got Damian.
	Or Damian.
	I guess, like, here's the objection here: is like, you, I'll go ahead and grant you guys have all had terrible experiences with men, maybe even to the point of like a crime, you know, crime's been committed.
	And that's terrible and awful.
	And I hope that that person gets his justice or karma or whatever.
	But I guess it's like you did have a bad experience with a man.
	And then now you think all men bad.
	Now, I wonder though, is this sexist?
	And I want to change the bear question a little bit.
	So let's say there's a white person who either themselves or has known people who have been assaulted by a black person.
	They also see news stories and belong to online groups, and their TikTok algorithm feeds them stories about black-on-white crime.
	Much like as a woman, if you engage on TikTok with certain stuff that relates to SA, the algorithm is going to feed you more of that.
	Because of their safety concerns, they're scared of black people.
	They believe all black people have the capacity for violence or assault of some kind.
	Would this person be racist?
	Yes.
	So then, if women have a fear of all men because of one, two, three, or hearing other people's poor experiences with men, would this make you guys sexist towards men?
	That's completely different.
	How is it different?
	How is it different?
	Do you think if you are not able to see the good in any man because of those experiences, then that is you being sexist.
	I mean, I personally have gone through things that I would rather not discuss, and I still have a loving boyfriend that I plan to marry.
	Like, I still love my dad very deeply.
	I still have friends that I care very deeply about.
	I have my brother that I love.
	You know, I don't go around assuming every man is going to do that, but I do have to be hyper-vigilant of certain behaviors that could lead to that.
	And having first-hand experience, it's like you're aware and you start to recognize patterns.
	And, you know, the sad truth is, is that there's a lot of men that they exhibit those patterns and you notice it and you have to take a step back.
	That's fine.
	Is it sexist, though?
	For me to Recognize patterns and basis base my you would rather be in the forest with a wild person.
	You clarified it.
	I changed my point when you clarified it.
	When you clarified it, can we hear from somebody with a like that actually gave a statistic, like the 50-50%?
	Like, what do you think of his point that he made?
	Like, is that sexist of a woman to think that way?
	Um, wait, can you repeat the question?
	It has to be sexist.
	It has to be sexist.
	There's no way around it.
	Well, sexist is the idea of like hating one gender.
	So, just because, like, we have to.
	Well, it could be like you have a bias or like a prejudice.
	So, like, for example, if you think all if I thought all Latino people were criminals, would this be racist?
	Well, I don't think all men are like bad or anything.
	No, but if you think like all men or like a high proportion of men have a propensity towards being criminals, aka essayers.
	If essaying or whatever wasn't involved, if it was just like being able to get murdered, that's what's like different.
	It's the essaying part that differentiates the racism and the sexism.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	In his example, he was talking about like black people.
	If you're constantly fed this influx of content that's making you think that black people commit a lot of crime, and so then you become scared of black people, we asked you, do you think that's racist?
	She said yes.
	So then the alternative would also be sexist if you have these experiences to automatically be applying your experiences in your situation to the majority of men.
	That would be sexist.
	But I'm saying when you put in the factor of being essayed into it, that like just changes the whole dynamic.
	I think it's like an example of a matter of fact.
	Why does it change the dynamic?
	Not necessarily sexist.
	Because it's violence against other people.
	I don't understand though, like what.
	So is your position like and maybe it is essay worse than murder?
	No, but I'm saying that women.
	I agree with you that essay is different than murder.
	We both have the same chance of being murdered technically, but women have...
	No, we don't.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	No, we don't.
	Men are much more likely to be murdered.
	Much more likely.
	But I mean, like, the act of it.
	Like, if someone came into your room and just like shot, like, we both have like the same chance of getting shot.
	Like, just theoretically.
	But, like, men have less chance of being essayed than women.
	Sure.
	I'll go ahead and grant it.
	What's your point?
	Aren't men more essayed because of prisons?
	Well, I mean, I mean, there's, here's the thing.
	If you look at the actual, like, the definition of grape would actually preclude it from ever being considered something that can happen to men.
	Now, if you include like made to penetrate, then perhaps those numbers even up.
	But then, like, so men on men on men essaying where the man can be penetrated.
	If you're super anti-SA, you should be outside of prison.
	Yes, it happens more to women.
	What's your point?
	that you guys don't experience or understand what it like what we feel because it technically like so you're saying men can't be acid No.
	Like, a man could be SA'd by imagine, imagine?
	No.
	And like, the whole thing.
	You said you guys are stronger than us.
	Well, do you want to know something that's funny?
	Is I get, I get all of the exact type of cat calls that you guys get from men from men as well.
	In fact, like, because of my following on YouTube, I get a very, very similar amount.
	situation of getting s8 you'd have a better chance of being able to not because you have the same physical strength as the other man yeah so i'm so we're already at a disadvantage i I'm happy to just go ahead and grant your position.
	SA is a bigger concern for women than it is for men.
	I agree.
	But you do have to, the statement is, is it sexist to have this general fear or bias of all men or like this hesitancy towards all men?
	So I definitely felt like I became sexist after what had happened for a little bit.
	I was afraid of men, but you have to work through it.
	It's just like if you're a little kid, right, and you don't understand depth yet and you walk onto a cliff and you fall, right?
	Let's say the cliff's not that high, right?
	It's like five feet and you hurt yourself.
	Okay, so after that, you understand cliff equals fall.
	So you have to change that in your brain to understand that man does not mean hurt.
	Like man does not mean, you know, danger.
	Now that's something that takes a lot of work.
	You're literally training yourself because that's a stimulus.
	Sure.
	You've had the stimulus, you see the cause and effect, and so you create a perception based off of that.
	You create a mental set, a data set around men based off of that.
	So you have to then retrain yourself to trust men again.
	And that's, you know, if you don't, then yes, you can't.
	Can we share somebody else?
	You said yes.
	You said yes.
	I'm trying to like help people understand how the other women are thinking the way that they are.
	If you haven't trained yourself to rewire that so you're not afraid of men anymore, you're still going to have that fear.
	Like, like we said earlier, when I was like, okay, a man following me or a bear following me, I would rather have the bear because I'd get killed rather than assaulted and then killed.
	Like that is a fear that is in your head, but you have to learn how to rewire it, okay?
	Do you think it's sexist?
	Okay, what I wanted to comment on was I think that black men being considered quote-unquote violent has nothing to do with the race and more of the environment.
	True or false?
	Wait, what?
	Like going back to the whole like racism part.
	Uh-huh.
	And so.
	What do you mean, the environment?
	Like, how do you explain it?
	Hold on, how about this?
	Would you, like, if you guys saw a group of men coming at you and you're walking alone, it was late at night or whatever, would you cross the street?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, do you think that's sexist to do that?
	I feel like in order for it to be sexist, it has to be irrational.
	I don't think it's irrational to it's like if you see a group of black women walking towards you, I wouldn't really necessarily feel inclined to cross the street.
	If I saw a group of black men walking towards me, yeah.
	So it has nothing to do with race.
	That's sexist.
	If a certain population commits a certain percentage of the crime, does that make you racist for avoiding them more?
	No, not in the situation where we cross the street.
	But the scenario would just simply be: if it's not here, if it's racist to cross the street, if you see a group of Latino people or black people or whatever racial group, if that would be racist to do, then it would have to also be sexist if you cross the street because you saw a group of men, regardless, doesn't matter what the race is.
	It could be men.
	They cross the street.
	Depending on their race.
	Depending on if it's yeah, but okay, what if somebody did cross the street because they saw a group of black people?
	Then not to be racist.
	Okay, then it would have to be sexist to cross the street if you saw a group of people.
	Okay, so if you saw a group of men, it could be Latino, it could be Latino, it could be any race.
	I'm just using okay, so at night, say if you saw a group of men at night and you're alone, will you cross the street?
	Or you're just gonna walk like normal, like a group of men at night?
	You wouldn't think twice.
	Would I do it?
	Um, that's a good question.
	Uh, huh.
	Are you sexist, bro?
	See, wouldn't it be there?
	No, but I want.
	The thing is, is I want you guys.
	I want you to be able to do it.
	Honestly, if it was a group of white dudes, I would not care at all.
	Oh, boy.
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	Because there are specific people that commit a certain amount of the crime.
	And there's a certain gender that also commits a certain amount of the crime.
	Yeah, but even like with that statistic of there's a certain group of people, like most of those people that you're talking about are men.
	When it comes to crime?
	Everything.
	Yeah, you're talking about, oh, how black people commit.
	You're talking about black people committing 50% of the crime or something.
	Well, that's the original.
	Yeah, that's the original thing that we were using.
	If somebody is constantly portrayed to them, like, hey, like a certain number or a certain group of people is committing most of the crime, and then you're just fed that information over and over again, just like somebody who gets SA'd, they're fed over and over again like this.
	Be wary of men.
	Be careful around men.
	Like ultimately, I don't think that it would make you racist.
	I don't think it would make you sexist.
	Like in either of those scenarios, I don't.
	So you don't think it would be racist to cross the street because there's a group of black people walking towards you at night?
	Do I think that it would be racist for me to walk across the street?
	No, I do not think it would be.
	We do have to move things on here to try to just get this.
	We got drag issues.
	Chair three, you're out here selling overpriced self-esteem issues to the world's weakest men, acting like it's some grand revolution.
	Take a bow.
	You're the MLM scam of modern dating.
	Please get back to your mother's basement.
	I really don't care.
	So funny.
	These men sending half of their weekly income to talk to me.
	Please go and spend it on a woman.
	Get some coochie.
	Stop being mad.
	Let's see here.
	Just a couple things here.
	I won't hit everything.
	We have.
	Where did it go?
	Anissa.
	So the statement is acceptable to refuse to date a transgender person because they are trans.
	To which you disagreed with.
	Yeah.
	Like, I agreed that it's okay to refuse that.
	You disagreed.
	That it's okay to refuse.
	Yeah.
	So the statement is.
	Oh, no, that's not what I mean.
	Oh, you got mixed up though.
	My bad.
	No, that was the other way around.
	That's fine.
	I was so confused.
	We were having a thing, a back and forth, though, really quick on the trans thing.
	We'll wrap that up super quick.
	Do one, two or three more, and then we're going to wrap the show.
	So what was your position again on the whole like trans stuff?
	Yeah, I used to be transphobic, but I think trans women are women.
	Wait.
	She used to be.
	Can you say that again?
	Yeah, I used to be transphobic.
	I used to be like everyone else.
	Oh, what about the bathrooms?
	Like, no.
	Okay.
	Then you're not scared of men coming into the women's bathrooms.
	Men as in trans women?
	Yeah, this goes back to the bear thing.
	Yeah, this is all.
	Oh, you'd rather pick a bear.
	First of all, I don't know.
	But you'd rather be in a bathroom with a drink.
	In a controversial opinion, bathrooms being segregated is stupid.
	Bathrooms shouldn't be segregated.
	Bathrooms shouldn't be segregated?
	Oh, no.
	Y'all pee all over the.
	And that's the main reason why bathrooms are segregated.
	Because men are disgusted by women's periods and women leave the bathroom discussing.
	I'm not really interested in the bathroom conversation, but let's get into the actual crux of the conversation.
	So are trans your position is transgender women are women?
	Are transgender women female?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Because female would be sex.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	I don't really have much to argue with, really.
	Oh, because we're getting into all the Trump, but you differentiate, obviously, between sex and gender.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you're fine, though, if, like, I think here you didn't say anything about not straight for men to do.
	No, you're fine with.
	So you think a man dating a trans woman is that wouldn't be straight?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I'd.
	That would be pansexual.
	Pansexual.
	Okay.
	We didn't talk about plastic surgery at all.
	Do you want to touch on that?
	I think, didn't we?
	We talked to like two.
	Let's see here.
	We got a couple on.
	Oops, my bad.
	I don't know.
	Most of you just agree with everything.
	You guys are all super based.
	Daya says.
	Except for you.
	Wait, you X this out.
	You can be sexist towards men, but.
	No, I think you can be sexist towards men.
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind then.
	Wow.
	That's what I just said.
	Samson, so the statement, women have equal rights to men in the USA, you disagree.
	Do you want to elaborate on that?
	I thought we do have equal rights in the USA.
	It's a workforce, I think.
	Oh, like wage gap?
	Oh, no, I don't know.
	What did I?
	Also, Mecca, you disagree.
	Women, you disagree that women have equal rights in the USA?
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, I disagree because right now, for example, Donald Trump, he's trying to ban abortion stuff.
	If it was equal, he would let a woman choose what to do with her own body.
	That's not for a man to decide.
	So if it was equal, it would just be like, okay, it's her choice, you know?
	Well, I'm not sure, though, if it was equal, if he actually wanted to make it equal between men and women, wouldn't it require that there just be an outright 100% abortion ban?
	Because men can't get abortions.
	They can't compel women to get abortions.
	They can't.
	Right, but like if we're talking about equality, typically we're talking about equal rights.
	We're talking about doing a comparison between a right that a man has versus a right that a woman doesn't have.
	Men have no reproductive rights.
	So the actual equality between men and women, if that's what we're talking about, would dictate that women can't get abortions, period, at all.
	We could say, you know, if you think it's a right, a women's rights issue, I think that's perhaps different.
	But equal rights, equal rights to men pertains to comparisons between men and women.
	Okay, other than like women's rights then.
	Oh, but then that's a separate conversation.
	I'm just thinking equality between men and women.
	Men don't have reproductive rights.
	So what could be an alternative form of equality, if women can have abortions, if the woman wants to keep the child, the man can say, well, I'm going to do, it's called legal paternal surrender.
	I don't have to be responsible.
	I don't have to pay you child support.
	I can just revoke my financial obligations.
	That would be a form of equality, at least as close as you can get to equality if women have abortion rights.
	Would you be in favor of that?
	Of them, like, not fighting?
	Yeah, so, like, let's say abortion rights are protected, but in order to get that, men, which it's not the case, but men can say, well, like, let's say there's a one-night stand, the girl gets pregnant, she wants to keep it, the man didn't want it.
	he's not financially ready, he doesn't want to be a father, he doesn't want to have a parental role.
	She wants to keep it, though.
	So he's like, well, okay, do you think men should just be able to throw their hands up, walk away, not have any financial or parental responsibility to the child?
	Do you think that's fair?
	I mean, they already do, but.
	No, I mean, you could go.
	You have a kid, right?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Does he pay child support?
	No, he just helps out.
	Willingly, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But if he stopped helping out, you could go to court and force him to pay for the child.
	How old's your kid?
	She's almost one year.
	Yeah, he would have to pay for that kid.
	It depends on the state, anywhere from 18 to 21 years.
	And you could force him to do it.
	And he would have no say.
	He can't, I don't want to do that.
	Nope.
	The court says you're going to pay it.
	If you don't, we're going to garnish your wages.
	We're going to take money from your bank accounts.
	We're going to take money from any sort of liquid cash that you have.
	And if you don't, if you don't, we're going to punish you and we're going to send you to jail.
	Well, I think it's case by case, but in that case of the girl wants to keep it and the guy doesn't, then I think he has the right to say, well, I don't want it.
	I don't.
	No.
	Well, he has the right to say that.
	But like, if you're like what you're saying, like, if they were allowed to say, like, to remove like paternity, then yeah, he has that right.
	No.
	Well, like, I know it's not a real thing, but like, if it was, then, yeah, he wouldn't.
	You would be in favor of that sort of legal arrangement where the guy could just, without needing the woman's permission, he would just say, nah, you take care of it.
	I'm out.
	Peace.
	Yeah, because never asked to pay child support.
	That's only fair, you know?
	But that's not the case.
	Right.
	But I guess what I'm saying is that would be about as close to equality if abortion remains legal.
	That's about as close as it would be.
	Now, if you're boyfriend, partner, whatever, the complicated situation, if he just dipped and stopped paying you any money, would you seek child support?
	No.
	No?
	But you could.
	And you could force him to pay.
	Yeah, but if he doesn't want to, I wouldn't force them, but if that's his choosing.
	The court would force him.
	But when it comes to the government, the state will eventually send him to jail.
	That's actually taking away, kind of ironically, taking away his bodily autonomy.
	Well, yeah, but if I don't initiate that, then they can't see.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Like a woman could choose not to.
	I think most women do seek child support through the state.
	And also, here's the other catch.
	Let's say you have no intention of ever, like you're not going to go to the state, but if you ever, even just momentarily need to go on any sort of, what's it called, like government aid, like if you go get, need like Medi-Cal or you need, I forgot what it's called.
	You need not food, what's it called?
	Medicaid?
	Food stamps?
	Yes.
	EBT food assistance.
	They're going to, it automatically, you can't tell them, no, I want food assistance.
	I want Medi-Cal.
	I want like government health insurance.
	They're going to go after him for child support regardless of what you want.
	So that's another component there.
	Do you think the judicial system should be changed to accommodate that?
	To accommodate men being able to get out of child support easily.
	Women are never going to advocate for that.
	Because that's true equality at the end of the day.
	Women don't care about men's problems.
	Yeah, but it's complicated.
	It's so complicated.
	I think that's fair.
	What you're saying, I think that's fair.
	I mean, yeah, it's fair, but it also takes two people to make a kid.
	If the girl wants to keep the kid and the guy doesn't, then yeah, he doesn't have, like, if she, like, if she, if he has expressed to her that, I don't want this kid with you.
	I don't want to be a parent.
	I'm not ready.
	And if she still continues on, that's her choice, not his.
	So then he has the right to say, you, you, I, like, I agree with like not being able to put him on child support.
	Well, I definitely, I disagree.
	I think the man definitely should be forced to pay child support.
	I think that he should be held accountable for the fact that he had that kid.
	But at the same time, I think that he should also have a say in what a woman does with her body.
	He should have a say?
	He should.
	I believe it.
	But you're pro-life, right?
	I am pro-life.
	Oh, yeah.
	I agree with that.
	I'm pro-life.
	Oh, I forgot to do this really quick, just shifting gears a little bit.
	Those of you who took your makeup off, can you hold it up to the camera, the wipe, so we can see the damage?
	Oh, I thought you wanted to say it was hold it up.
	Wow, okay, nice.
	All right.
	Wow, that is here.
	We're going to go over here.
	All right.
	And then okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Wow.
	Good.
	You guys look beautiful.
	Just saying.
	Slay queen.
	Slay queens.
	All right.
	I think one or two.
	How about this?
	Quite a few of you circled there is no gender pay gap.
	You disagree with that.
	Let's see.
	Michaela, you circled it.
	Ebony, you circled it.
	Mecca circled it.
	And just you guys.
	Michaela, why don't you tell us?
	So you think there's a pay gap?
	We have those circles for disagree.
	Disagree, yeah.
	So if you disagree, you think there is a gender pay gap?
	No, I don't think there is.
	Oh, you think it's just.
	Well, it depends on the job, I guess.
	Like strippers.
	Y'all, girls are killing me in the stripping game.
	There's magic mics or what do you call them?
	Like Chippendales?
	Chippendales.
	I don't think they make as much.
	Well, they get paid to do the show.
	Like, I'm pretty sure it's like a set pay.
	So.
	Or like, but if we like all work at like Chipotle, I'm pretty sure we're just going to get the same amount of pay, you know?
	Okay.
	Michaela, your position?
	Yeah, I mean, I think the same thing.
	Like, wasn't there something that came out about some like really famous actors or whatever, and the females were not getting paid?
	Oh, yeah, because the male had the lead role.
	No, but I think it's a little bit more like a message.
	Well, I think it was like, you know, Spider-Man.
	So it was like Toby McGuire, who's the lead, Spider-Man, and then Kirsten Dunce, the love interest.
	I forgot what's her name?
	I don't know.
	She's like, oh, I didn't get paid as much as him.
	Well, he's Spider-Man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Toby McGuire.
	Did you guys, you disagree, Ebony, with the wage?
	You think there is a wage change?
	Yeah, there definitely is a wage change.
	Okay, what is it?
	I mean, I forgot what the percentage was.
	I think women make like 73% of every dollar of a man or something.
	But I mean, there's studies on it.
	Like, women obviously make less money generally on average than men.
	And, you know, these studies control for people who work 40 hours a week and stuff like that.
	So, yeah, there definitely is a gender pay cap.
	What do you mean they control for what?
	Like a lot of the points that like conservatives, like people who say that there isn't, like, they like to say, oh, well, you know, women take off more maternity leave.
	And like, no, like these studies control for that.
	They're not comparing the income of people who are not working.
	They're comparing the income of people who are working 40-hour work weeks.
	They're comparing people who work the same amount of hours and are in the same profession in the same field and work the same position.
	And women are getting paid less.
	So, I mean, I've looked into this.
	So you have the uncontrolled and the controlled gender wage gap.
	So you're saying that the uncontrolled gender wage gap is actually the controlled gender wage gap because the 80 cents, 78 cents, this is actually what it's doing is it's comparing all men and all women, and it's not factoring in hours work, hours worked, type of job, willingness to relocate, the danger that's associated with the job.
	There's like dozens of other factors that they just totally ignore.
	It's just like all women compared to all men, when you actually do the control, it shrinks down to one cent.
	Yeah, and I think that's the difference.
	That's the difference.
	So is a gap, right?
	That adds up over time.
	Sure, but it could be explained.
	How about this?
	I'm trying to think of an example here.
	We'll come right back to it.
	I just need to let this chat come through and we'll get him right back.
	Wrongful rage donated $200.
	Chair 3.
	We're telling you trash.
	Like your daddy did when he traded your wretched joyful for a pack smokes.
	We all knew your worth then.
	We know it now.
	Cope harder, get her queen.
	The crystal awaits you.
	Get his money.
	Yo, wrongful rage.
	Thank you, dude.
	You want to respond to the crystal thing?
	You have to do it.
	What does the crystal mean?
	I don't use crystals.
	But okay, so just I guess to reiterate, you have uncontrolled, controlled wage gap.
	So I don't think it's really a fair representation to say that women make 78 cents on the dollar.
	You're saying like they're trying to put that position forward as if, oh, exact same career, exact same hours worked, then the man is going to make that much more money.
	That's not what it's doing, but they want to perpetuate this false narrative.
	Like, again, doesn't account for hours worked, the field, type of job, any specialty within the field.
	Like, for example, a public defender attorney is not going to make the same amount of money as like an attorney who does high-profile civil litigation or mergers and acquisitions, right?
	But that's what they're doing.
	They're not considering any of these like dozens of different factors that could contribute to somebody making more or less.
	Specific company, location.
	So they're just lumping everybody together, whether you're in San Francisco or in Idaho or Bozeman, Montana, where there's like different costs of living, there's different wages, different minimum wages, this sort of thing.
	Overtime, age of retirement, not factoring in at all.
	But if, like I said, if you control for all these factors, it shrinks to 1%.
	And then actually, you know, it's interesting.
	If you look at specific demographics, it actually, so like if you're a single and childless woman in a metropolitan area, women out-earn men.
	So like women between the ages of like 18 and 30, they out-earn men.
	Or women who never have children out earn men.
	In suburban or rural, it doesn't happen.
	They like boy band and you could be 100 times better and they'll kick you out before you take their job.
	Sure, that might be the case.
	I was talking about like metropolitan areas.
	So typically like larger towns, larger cities.
	Like if you look at Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, single, childless women, they out-earn single, childless men.
	Also, even putting that aside, Asian women outearn white men.
	Y'all killing it.
	I mean, you're waging, so I don't know how that factors in, but y'all killing it.
	You guys are killing it, bro.
	But I actually think the 1% is due to sexism.
	I think it's due to women's sexism.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	So here, here, I'll prove this.
	I'll prove it.
	You women are so sexist.
	You guys cause the wage gap.
	Now here's why.
	Maybe I should have asked this first.
	Who here wants a guy to pay for the first date?
	Who here would like a guy to be a provider?
	Who here would like to be a stay-at-home wife?
	And the guy just pays for everything?
	Yeah.
	There you go there.
	Look at that enthusiasm.
	So hold on.
	Couldn't the 1% be explained by a mating and social pressure that women place on men that men don't place on women?
	So if, like, as a guy, if I can't get a date, if I can't get a relationship, if I can't get sex, if I can't get anything from a woman, if I'm not willing to do XYZ when it comes to being a provider, don't you think that's a significant motivating factor?
	Like, do you think having a family and kids and a relationship and sex is like pretty motivating to men?
	Yeah, sure.
	Right.
	And I think it's motivating.
	Women want that too, just to be clear.
	But I don't think your finances matter at all as women, yeah.
	Like a guy's not gonna, like, I can't go on a date and expect the girl to pay for the first date, but you guys can go on a first date going into it.
	Like, yeah, he's probably gonna pay.
	Maybe I have to split, but like, he's gonna pay.
	Right.
	Maybe you want the man to pay.
	I would say that, I mean, in today's modern age, I think women's finances do matter to a degree because most marriages are like they're splitting bills.
	Like in this economy, people can't really live without just off of one income.
	So I'll agree with you that the economic and financial reality is that, yes, most people are going to need a two-income household.
	Absolutely.
	I agree with you, but I don't think, I think there's a difference in biology and there's an evolutionary basis.
	Even if that's the economic and financial reality, I still don't think men really like make major assessments to their traction towards women based off of how much money she makes or her career.
	Like I think you take a high-powered male attorney and he's like, wow, there's like this really attractive woman who works at Starbucks and she's great.
	I don't think she's immediately going to disqualify that girl.
	He might even prefer her.
	But like you take a high-powered female attorney who makes $200,000 a year.
	I don't think she's dating the male barista.
	He's, oh, he's great.
	He's attractive.
	I'm not marrying that guy.
	She's probably wanting to date a guy who's on her level or higher.
	Right.
	But why do you think most men usually end up marrying women within their tax bracket or their level of money?
	I think that's just the sort of reality.
	Most people kind of like fall into that general area.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I don't necessarily think that most like men who really make money and who live like maybe higher profile lifestyles would be interested in the girl who, I think most men want women who are like used to their lifestyle.
	Like I feel like if a man is like, if he makes a lot of money, you're talking about like a millionaire or like a high, like high income man getting with a barista.
	Like I think most men would prefer a woman that's going to make them work harder and would be used to nicer things because that's the lifestyle that they're already used to.
	No, get that out.
	Get that out.
	What do you mean, the lifestyle?
	So she's traveled a bunch.
	She's already traveled.
	No, I want, if you're a guy and you make a lot of money, right?
	You want to be the portal to the world.
	Like, oh, she's already done this before.
	It's just like, okay.
	Maybe the man looks for the most is like emotional intelligence and like a woman who inspires him to be a better man.
	It's not like I don't need inspiration.
	I just do that shit on my own.
	Okay, I did like a little social experiment on my own.
	Sure.
	I um I was on Riot for a little bit and I made my occupation a medical assistant and then I switched it later on to Just influencer, and I felt like I noticed that there was a different.
	I had like, I don't want to say significantly, but I definitely had more matches from men after switching it to an influencer.
	That is shocking rather than the dramatic incident.
	I thought you were going to say, no, because I wanted to see what it was like.
	Do you feel like when a woman labels herself as an influencer, I very much proceed with caution.
	Well, okay.
	Very much.
	Because usually there's an OF involved, sadly.
	Did you change anything else on the profile, your pictures at all?
	No, no, no.
	I kept it.
	So what I thought was, I was suspecting that having a medical assistant would get me more matches.
	That's what I was thinking.
	So that's why I intentionally did the, like, did the experiment myself.
	How many days were you set to medical person or whatever?
	Um, I don't know.
	It was, I mean, like, they were both.
	You said medical what?
	What was the medical assistant?
	Medical assistant.
	I mean, nurses are kind of that's true.
	That's true.
	When, by the way, we medical nurses are red flags.
	Men also have like stereo, negative stereotypes towards like certain women in the healthcare field.
	It's true.
	Because there's like, there are certain patterns.
	So that that could that could also be a plan.
	That could be.
	But I mean, also, I would wonder, like, I mean, I don't know how thorough of it.
	Like, you would have to like test this multiple.
	You have to do a double blind to see by the study.
	It's going to be.
	It's not going to be a matter of time.
	Like, there could be some happenstance.
	Like, you know, like, if a coin, I don't know.
	How do I explain this?
	It's just like.
	Yeah, I mean, Raya could have been pushing my account more, whatever.
	There's like a bunch of different aspects to it.
	I would be curious.
	What if you re-downloaded the app, started as influencer?
	Influencer, and then switched.
	Because I do know sometimes with these apps, like it might take you a while to get into the algorithm.
	Yeah.
	I don't know all the details.
	Honestly, I think you could put, you could call yourself a neat, and you'd still get a fuck ton of matches.
	It's not in employment, education, or training.
	So you're just basically living at home with your parents.
	Like that's your job title.
	I think you're still going to be killing it, so it's like...
	But you think it'd be the same amount of matches as being an influencer?
	What do you mean?
	Like if I said influencer.
	If you said college student versus influencer, I feel like most guys prefer a college student, to be honest.
	Yeah.
	Influencer, when girls are on social media and they get attention on social media, it tends to be a very negative thing.
	I think social media has harmed women a lot more than it's affected men.
	Just simply because of the way that women process that attention, the way that they deal with it, and the way that it changes them as a person.
	I think that it's different.
	Well, here, why don't we test it out like this?
	Do you feel like you may be missed out on dating certain men because of your finances?
	No.
	Nope.
	No, no, no, I think the more successful I become, the the pool gets smaller.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	No.
	I agree with what she said.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	So I guess my original point was there's just like this massive social and mating pressure on men that's enforced by women.
	Even if it's 50%, let's say only 50, 50% of women don't care at all.
	The guy could be a broke bum.
	They don't, I think it's more, but let's say it's just 50% of women.
	I think that'd be fair to say.
	Would at the very least want a guy to pay for the first date.
	I think it goes beyond that.
	I think women would, I think 50% of men would want to provide her.
	I think 50% of women would be, if possible, maybe even, I don't know how many, would want to be stay-at-home, stay-at-home wives and just have the man work, whatever.
	It occurred, whereas I don't think I or any man can go into any encounter with a woman and have this expectation, she's going to pay for the first date.
	I want to be the stay-at-home dad.
	Like, if I told you guys on a first date, you're so great.
	I think you're beautiful.
	When we have kids, I want you, maybe you take a couple weeks off, but then get right back to work and I'll stay at home and take care of the kids.
	I want to be the stay-at-home dad.
	You work for 30 years.
	You support me.
	You support the family.
	I'll take care of the household.
	I'll do the cooking.
	I'll do the cleaning.
	I'll take care of the kids.
	I don't think a lot of women are going to be okay with that.
	Right?
	Am I?
	Am I.
	I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't be okay with that.
	Yeah.
	Is there a single one?
	If I was like a super rich woman, I would.
	I mean, that's different.
	I mean, I don't think that that's like normal, but if he was a better parent than I was, I don't think that I would be completely against that.
	Like, if my job was like just sailing around all day, I think that that would be really fun.
	I mean, there could be an argument that's made if you're like a high-earning woman.
	Yeah.
	Like, I mean, I personally wouldn't like prefer this dynamic, but, and, like, the, I don't think high-earning women want to, well, whatever.
	Maybe you find that special guy, but I'd rather both just, you know, both contributed rather than it feeling like one person is in charge of the finances to a point where there's some sort of, you know, friction in the relationship because of that.
	Because that does happen a lot.
	You know, majority of the fights that married couples have are over finances or infidelity or, you know, how to raise a child.
	So I do think that having some sort of income as a woman, even if it's small, you know, you're contributing.
	And so that does alleviate some of those arguments.
	I wonder if Andrew would disagree with me saying this if he was here, but I think that it's the man's job to step up and make sure that that's not an issue.
	Like I think a lot of people agree with me.
	I think a lot of guys, a lot of guys say, oh, I can't control my earning potential.
	Like I can't do this.
	Like it's not up to me.
	It's fate or something.
	I think that's ridiculous.
	I think all men can work harder.
	All men can make more money.
	You just have to use your head and you have to work hard.
	You can control your earnings.
	Finding a woman that makes him inspired to be a better man and like want to step up.
	I think that that's, I mean, do you have an issue with that?
	Because the truth is that men that tend to get married do tend to also make more money.
	And I think the motivation there is ultimately because they're driving to provide for the family.
	Yeah.
	So I don't think there's an issue.
	Yeah, I do think there's that.
	I mean, I guess ultimately it's just this whole thing.
	It's not really a metric that men judge women on.
	I think you women are, I'm not saying women are just going to be completely unmotivated.
	Like, obviously, there's like base level survival.
	Like, oh, okay, I need to make money so I have a house.
	I can eat.
	I can be comfortable.
	But like, men have this on top of like the base level survival considerations that both men and women have.
	Men on top of that have to be like, if I want to date, if I want a girlfriend, if I want a wife, I got to make money.
	And if I'm not financially attractive, economically attractive to women, then I might, I might, maybe I can't take her on a date.
	Whereas I don't think women are really thinking, like, oh man, I wonder, is he going to think I'm broke?
	Like, guys, don't think about that.
	Like, we're not assessing you on your money.
	And even a guy who maybe he's not making enough money to the point where, like, maybe it would be difficult to have a family given what you brought up, the whole you need two incomes to survive, right?
	For most, for a lot of people.
	I still think, man, that guy's going to look at like a beautiful woman who's who's got a good personality, who's works at a who's a barista.
	He's going to pick her.
	He doesn't care.
	It's so low.
	It's such a low priority.
	Most men aren't going to even trip about it.
	Even men who would like their lifestyle would be much better if they did have a partner who made more money.
	I agree.
	Honestly.
	The wage gap is all your fault.
	It's all your fault.
	It's all women's fault because you put this immense, massive social and mating pressure on us men, and we're just more motivated to go out and make money so we can take you to McDonald's or Chick-fil-A.
	Okay.
	It's Chick-fil-A for sure.
	Chick-fil-A.
	Definitely Chick-fil-A.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Okay, that's pretty much it.
	Mating.
	Yep, mating pressure.
	Okay, we're going to do a roast session.
	Then we'll wrap the show 10 minutes.
	Any final thoughts from any panelists here?
	Good to be, Bobby.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists?
	Speak now.
	Forever, hold your peace.
	Final chance.
	You can ask us, like, do you guys, you know, I think men do care about a woman not making money.
	Like, I feel like when I've had times of bad luck or whatever, or even now, even working, I can get told I'm worthless.
	I don't know.
	I get degraded.
	What do you mean?
	A guy has told you, listen up.
	Is this an idea?
	You do not make enough money.
	Like, I don't have a bid job right now for this.
	And then I got told last week, you're 28 years old and you're laying in a bed.
	That's his own insecurity.
	It gets degrading that I'm working on.
	Is this in a romantic context?
	I mean, or is this just well, he was upset you were working or were you like laying in bed depressed or something?
	Take on a bid job for this trip and then laying in bed at 20.
	Yeah, sure.
	There's some soy boys out there.
	I agree.
	And then also, like, if you're smarter, work harder because there's also a part where I make more money.
	Or I also get degraded for that.
	You get degraded?
	If for what?
	For nothing.
	Like, exactly.
	You're just chilling.
	But there's ego involved in men's world a lot.
	Like, they have hidden hidden competition with like everything.
	They can't just breathe and chill and relax.
	I don't know.
	So I just want to say they do care if you work or not because they will, the girls that are home, they will throw that in their face at least once in their life that they do nothing.
	It's just what it is.
	Well, are you bowing though?
	I mean, that's going to say.
	I do bow.
	I do bow, especially after you started brain.
	Wow.
	You?
	Another conversion.
	There you go.
	I think work ethic is super important in a woman.
	Like, I very much look for a good work ethic, but I don't expect them to be financially successful because of their work ethic.
	Yeah, the work ethic comes with like good brain.
	There's way more to it.
	That's why I don't want to be a stay-at-home mom.
	I like working because I love seeing what my brain can do in a day and how it can critical.
	TTS is 20 guys.
	Okay.
	No, go ahead.
	Oh, I was going to say that I think that women should be motivated to work hard.
	Yeah, I know.
	Women.
	Women.
	I think women should be motivated to work hard by like through nurturing, because they want to nurture, because they want to ultimately love and care for the family, if that makes sense.
	I think that's what motivates them.
	You know, women are motivated by different things than men.
	They are very, very different.
	Men are more motivated statistically by things, material possessions.
	Women in general are more motivated by people, by relationships in general.
	And I think that when you switch those up, I think that you see a very, very, I think you see a deterioration in quality of life for both men and women.
	Because the women that become more materialistic, they're ultimately not meant to be that way.
	And I think that a lot of them suffer from depression.
	And I think a lot of them get depressed because of that because they're focusing on a more male, they're focusing on something that men are more attracted to and vice versa.
	Yeah.
	It's also good trying to get out of the house because you're just stuck with like these little humans all day that can't have real conversations.
	Even when they can talk, they're still not real.
	And that woman's stuck there all day with that world.
	And you're the one out there getting to hear tons of people's experiences and get to joke around and whatever.
	All right, guys, we're going to do the roast session here.
	We'll do a very brief roast session and then wrap in the show.
	So, guys, $20 TTS.
	Get your roasts ready.
	Oh, this is great.
	Toast donated $20.
	Thank you, W's and the best.
	If a man makes $45,000 a year, I can tell you I don't give a puppy about a woman's finances.
	Yo, Toast, that's a really good point.
	I mean, $45,000, I think that's like what, maybe even slightly below.
	It used to be the average income, but I think it's slightly below the average income.
	Toast, what do you do for work, by the way?
	He doesn't give a fuck.
	I mean, I've made different amounts of money throughout my life.
	I never cared.
	Never cared how much money a woman makes.
	The more money I make, the less I care.
	Yeah, the more money I make, the less I care.
	The less I care.
	It didn't even matter at the very beginning.
	Yep.
	Don't care.
	Don't care.
	Okay.
	Dariel Lundus called Frank Carson 512 donated $20.
	Chair 3 hates men cause her dad never returned back with the milk.
	Imagine working all week to give her your check.
	She's barely dressed.
	Hashtag strumpet.
	Damn, okay.
	Do you want to, you can, you want to say something back to Frank?
	I don't, not, not to this person.
	Nothing?
	No.
	Nothing?
	You don't want to call him a little shrimp dick?
	Obviously.
	Yeah, these other things I saw, actually, I didn't pull that out.
	He's suffering from three-inch penis.
	Wow.
	Yeah, you wrote your little pathetic shrimp.
	Not to me, but it was on one of your pages.
	Your little pathetic shrimp dick can never handle a superior ebony ass like mine.
	No, no.
	Are you about to put it up?
	That's what she wrote.
	I'm dead.
	No, I can't pull it up, but that's what you wrote.
	And then you said, too bad, little dick loser.
	You're not.
	Bring that fucking energy.
	What's up?
	I did.
	I didn't bring that energy.
	She's out of the energy now.
	She's out of the energy.
	You said you know you're addicted, loser.
	Come be my little ATM good boy.
	What the fuck?
	All right.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Sons of Liberty donated $19.99.
	Chair 3, certified narcissist and racist.
	Love how racism towards whites is tolerated, accepted, and excused by this new generation.
	No one speaks up.
	Because who cares?
	Rector donated $20.
	It's funny how some women will plow random strangers for money, but a vote to their man will take away their dignity.
	One plus one equals three boys.
	We need to go to DEF CON 1.
	These women are barred.
	Thank you, Vec.
	Love it, Vec.
	Thank you, Vector.
	Chair 6.
	There is hope for so long as you accept that being 33 means you need realistic expectations.
	The dude in chair 3, however, is doomed.
	Oh, wait, that's not a dude.
	Big yikes for me, boys.
	Oh, please, you know I wasn't a dude.
	Please go worry about your sister.
	Honestly, how pathetic can you be?
	Constantly bringing people down cause you don't like what you see in the mirror.
	Everything does not revolve around race.
	Pitifu.
	Oh my god, I pitifu.
	Are y'all okay?
	I don't hate white people.
	I mean, there's anything.
	Did you have a response to the previous one, Chair 6?
	What did they say?
	It said, There is hope for you so long as you accept that being 33 means you need realistic expectations.
	Never settle, queen.
	Never settle.
	Right.
	I think I have realistic expectations.
	You seem reasonable.
	Yeah, I like a humble six.
	A humble six, okay.
	Yeah, like I'm not like looking for like a like they don't have to be like six feet or okay.
	Just like a just a normal nice guy.
	Guy.
	I think there's a lot of hope.
	Yeah.
	No, she's reasonable.
	She's reasonable.
	Okay, we have toast here.
	Toast donated $20.
	I work 12-hour shifts building windows.
	Let's go.
	Let's.
	12-hour shifts.
	That's crazy, man.
	Blue collar.
	Blue collar.
	W's in the chat for toast.
	OJ Simpson donated $20.
	Didn't read my super chat blood.
	Anyways, what hot house are you, Brixon?
	Oh, I don't.
	I don't really.
	I don't know.
	Harry Potter's kind of whatever.
	Aren't there like tests that you can take?
	I'm probably the Slytherin, probably.
	I don't know.
	A Hufflepuff.
	Okay, what's everybody's fucking Harry Potter house, I guess?
	Starting with the picture.
	I think I'm Hufflepuff.
	You're such a Hufflepuff.
	I don't.
	I never watch Harry Potter.
	What is it?
	Yona.
	Gryffindor.
	Gryffindor.
	Okay.
	I never watched Harry Potter, but I like the sound of Slytherin, so I say that.
	I'm not a sex actor or something.
	I did the test and I was Slytherin.
	Okay.
	I've never watched Harry Potter.
	I don't even know what that is.
	What about you?
	Probably Gryffindor?
	Yeah, I get Gryffindor vibes from you.
	All right, what about you?
	I think Gryffindor, I don't know.
	You're Ravenclaw.
	Get out of here.
	I think, you know what?
	I'm switching.
	I'm Ravenclaw.
	Fuck it.
	What about you?
	You're Gryffindor, right?
	Gryffindor.
	I don't watch it.
	What about you?
	I was going to say Ravenclaw.
	I think they're the ones that study.
	Oh, there you go.
	All right.
	ML Jr. Sr. donated $20.
	For the sister in chair 3.
	Let me know how bad it's stank girl.
	How small is it?
	What's your income?
	What's your credit score?
	Oh, shit.
	All right.
	Thank you, MLK.
	I appreciate it.
	Wrongful rage donated $20.
	Chair 3.
	Most men who make 30K have more value than your succubi gas.
	Living off simps like a ghetto hole.
	Put a post-hoe in a dress and diamonds.
	She's still a post-hoe.
	Be wary, what donut, you riz boy.
	Ulti Stritwood donated $20.
	These trumpets have sex with men on first meet-ups.
	But hey, do not be my side of street out of fear.
	What nonsense.
	Put yourself in better situations.
	You will find better men.
	That's a great point.
	I like that.
	Oh, really quick, guys.
	I'm just going to do a quick shout out.
	If you guys want, send 100% of your contribution to the whatever podcast, whatever pod on Venmo and Cash App.
	Shout out Elmer for the five on Cash App.
	And shout out to Andy Johnson for the five on Venmo.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Also, I'll just read it.
	He said, all the women who take off makeup, I'd say, are more attractive now after taking it off.
	Wow, there you go.
	Thank you.
	More attractive.
	Congratulations.
	Oh, wait.
	You want to pop off, pop out your fake contact lenses?
	big one right now yeah you can so we can see your oh she'll Oh, she'll actually do it.
	Okay.
	i don't know if you can see it but oh you're gonna just oh like take it out Take it out, yeah.
	The contact.
	Can you?
	What if I can't put it back in?
	Because, like, drives out.
	It's just drive home.
	Without it.
	Are they corrective?
	I can put it to the side.
	Are they corrective?
	Are they corrective too?
	Here, show me to the side.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, that's so scary.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Wait, look into this camera and do it.
	This camera right here.
	I don't know if they'll be able to tell, but.
	You can tell.
	Nice.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	Oh, let's do Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to Twitch.
	Final call for Twitch.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Kraut, thing for the Prime.
	Mute, thing for the Prime.
	Pete, underdog, thank for the Prime.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you guys so much for supporting over there on Twitch.
	We have this one.
	Final donating $20.
	You're totally fried.
	Except the girl in chair one.
	She cutes and has a good head on her shoulders.
	Besides, chair three, put away the muffin top with your belly shirt, you and Brittany Spears.
	Oh my god, I know you have a pot belly and a receding hairline and a three-inch dick.
	Come on now.
	Don't be coming for me.
	I'm still getting money from men.
	I'm still living a high-value life, okay?
	It's okay.
	You'll sleep at it.
	Okay, that's cool.
	And let's see here.
	Guys, final call, $20 TTS if you want to get one last one in.
	How about this final thing?
	What's everybody's, what's your type going around the table?
	You can maybe say like one thing physical, one thing personality-wise if you want.
	Go ahead.
	Physical, I feel like I don't have really a type.
	But like personality-wise, I feel like I go for guys that are kind of type A because I'm like that too.
	Type A?
	Okay.
	I would prefer somebody who's physically active, just because I feel like it means that they take care of themselves.
	Okay.
	In terms of personality, I'd say genuine.
	Genuine, okay.
	I would say the 666, six figures, six foot, six fat.
	Okay.
	Also physically active and ambitious and resilient.
	All right.
	Anissa?
	Someone that's physically active as well.
	Personality-wise, just super down-to-earth and genuine, just like you said.
	Physically active, definitely broader shoulders than mine.
	For personality, I tend to be attracted to guys who are well-traveled.
	Okay.
	I think physically, I don't have one.
	Usually like just tall guys.
	Personality.
	Really ambitious guys to like know what they want.
	And that are just nice, funny.
	I just say athletic and virtuous.
	Type.
	Oh, wait.
	Looks.
	Yeah.
	Symmetrically breathable.
	Symmetrical.
	And personality, it's about perspective.
	I want somebody that has the same brain as mine.
	Same brain as yours?
	Yeah, so I don't have to, you know, fight assumptions or irrational thoughts.
	Yeah.
	I get that.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	Christian, pure, blonde.
	Also fit.
	Brian's going to find it for me.
	That's right.
	That is right.
	I could tell you guys what I want, but it'll take me like 60 seconds to do it.
	So I'll let the panel vote if you want to hear it or not.
	I feel like I already know what it is.
	Isn't it like shh?
	Bro, it's one o'clock.
	It's 1.10 in the morning.
	We're making this happen 100%.
	I think that's a.
	All right.
	Wait, you've watched the show.
	You know what it is?
	Yeah, I watched it.
	It's like, you like short girls.
	Was it with big labias?
	I think you said redheads.
	Did you say redheads?
	Wow, Brian.
	Okay, short.
	I'm like dark hair.
	I'm a dark hair.
	You're like the 4'11s.
	Yeah, if her height doesn't start with a four, she ain't the one.
	Like, if she's 5'2, she's too tall.
	Wow.
	How tall are you?
	Oh, I was about to say.
	I'm 6'1.
	I'm kidding, though.
	I mean, I say it as a joke.
	I'll date a girl who I'll date a girl who's taller than me.
	I'll date a girl who's 6'5.
	But I'll date a girl who's short too.
	Doesn't matter.
	Here, I'll just read it.
	I wrote it down because there's so much that I'm looking.
	I'm looking for so much.
	I'll just read it.
	Let's see.
	You know, what I'd like, I want to meet a great girl, date for a few years, travel a bunch.
	I'd like to end up in Hawaii.
	That's my kind of eventual goal.
	Have her help me with my mission.
	Just have some kids.
	And I'll take care of everything.
	Kind of would like that dynamic.
	Any race is fine.
	I'll date any race.
	But I do have, I've mostly dated white Asian and Latino women.
	I just don't think black women.
	You guys don't like me.
	You know?
	I like it.
	It's not a meeting.
	I can't see with a black woman, though.
	You guys don't like me.
	I don't know.
	Anyways.
	Do you see me with a black woman?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You're very frat.
	I'm very frat.
	Yeah.
	I'm very frat with your vibes.
	Chad.
	There you go.
	W Jad.
	Brad.
	You're part of this snowboard.
	Let's see.
	I think I, oh, I don't really care.
	Tall, short, whatever.
	Oh, natural, preferred natural body.
	So, like, no fake boobs, no BBL, no lipo.
	Like, I'll take a girl.
	You're going to accuse me of being like a terrible criminal, I guess.
	Like, I'll take a girl with, like, flat or a cup or whatever.
	Over.
	Hold on.
	Hear me out over like perfect fake titties.
	Sorry, Michaela.
	Sorry, Bella.
	Stop the gap.
	We know you're taking those titties.
	Look, fake boobs aren't a deal breaker.
	I can tell.
	I can tell.
	You can before they've dropped.
	Like, once they settle.
	But no, like, you know.
	Oh, BBL.
	I'll take like no ass over a BBL.
	You know?
	Yeah, I gotta look at it.
	The BBLs look crazy.
	Don't get me wrong.
	The MBMs look crazy.
	A nice ass is good.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But if it's between like no ass and perfect, even if it's a perfect BBL, I'll take no ass.
	I don't know.
	I just think it looks kind of weird.
	I'll take a little belly fat over lipo belly.
	I don't know.
	The lipo belly looks kind of weird.
	And no labia plasty, obviously.
	Will not stand for it.
	Any outies at the table?
	Oh, okay, cool.
	Anybody else, sir?
	No?
	Okay.
	Sorry, that was a bit awkward.
	Oh, I'll take like no upper lip over like lip fillers, whatever.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Picky.
	What else is there?
	I have a pro.
	No, hold on.
	I'm not going to reveal that.
	I do like to build my partner up, though, like on him.
	What do you mean by that?
	I was like, that's the thing.
	No, just like give praise and stuff.
	I want to know what island.
	Explain build a girlfriend.
	Like, if this kind of ties, I'll explain it a bit more.
	This ties into like the fake plastic surgery stuff.
	If my girlfriend came to me and asked my opinion on it, if she should get plastic surgery, I'm kind of, I don't like my boobs.
	I don't like my butt.
	I don't like my belly.
	I'd be like, fuck that shit.
	I like you how you are.
	You're beautiful.
	You don't need that shit.
	Don't do it.
	So that's kind of like, I don't know.
	I'd just build her up.
	Whatever.
	That's sweet.
	I like you how you are.
	Let's see what else.
	Like how to.
	She needs to have done at least three years of cello.
	I'll accept two years of violin or one year of piano because I'm a nice guy like that.
	And I'm considerate.
	Any cello players here?
	Seven crude.
	I play violin.
	I knew.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Let's see what else.
	I played the flu.
	That's gross.
	Wait a minute.
	Huge red flag.
	Any wind instruments or any instruments?
	Well, you know what, if they...
	Never mind.
	It actually might be a green flag.
	But anyways.
	That's what I'm saying, really.
	All it takes to make me happy is if you'll just scratch my back or massage me.
	That's it.
	And bow.
	And bow.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	You know, you don't got to be like.
	I don't know.
	Also, I think I prefer more introverted women.
	I'll date an extrovert, but I think I'm more like kind of more on the introverted side, so I kind of prefer more like mellow, chill, introverted women.
	Okay, there's like a million other things, but I think we'll leave it there.
	Oh, yeah, okay, we'll leave it there.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Okay.
	All right, let me let the rest of the roast come through.
	Sorry, I wasted.
	I wasted so much.
	Oh, my God.
	There's a lot.
	Okay.
	Sons of Liberty donated $19.99.
	To the feminist Christian who views men very negatively, men and women can't be friends.
	Any man who calls a girl his best friend is either a simp or wants to bang you.
	Is that me or her?
	Dutch PlayStation Gamer donated $20.
	Welcome back, Brixam.
	Just tuned in, but ladies.
	What do you think of gamers?
	Yay or hell no.
	Chair 3, maybe a shirt next time.
	And stood next to Brian.
	Dude, how fucking ripped are you?
	FCK in hell.
	Where's the kid?
	There you go.
	Fuck.
	Nice.
	Frank Castle, Dariel Frank Castle.
	I cannot play this one, but I will say he called you lesbian Moana.
	And that's it.
	I'm not reading the rest.
	I'm sorry, Frank Castle.
	It's a little too hard.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	Okay, all right.
	Oh, my God.
	Grand Meow XD donated $20.
	Chair 9, you deserve to have a good life.
	A good man will come to you eventually.
	There you go.
	That's super sweet.
	Love you too.
	Boom.
	We got.
	Ebony Butt donated $20.
	Chair 3, Brexton was right.
	Your Yems are.
	A.
	And the fact that most ladies only date people with the same amount of more money as them is sexist.
	Wow.
	They named themselves Ebony Butt.
	I can't.
	Smooth donated $20.
	Yeah, okay.
	Eight inches hung white boy who knows his worth.
	So yeah, you tripping their Coke bottles.
	Okay.
	I'm confused.
	Got a few more coming, guys, and then wrongful rage donated $20.
	I'm not even gonna bust your balls, Brian, about the looting comment to Chair 3.
	She loots poor men and believes herself of worth.
	Reality knows different.
	Still making money.
	Don't care.
	Dariel Frank Castle, I can't pull up your next one, but this is for Chair 9.
	I can't read the first part.
	I'm sorry.
	But he does say, pretty sure you can find your dream man down by the 7-Eleven sleeping in the parking lot.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Or are you more of like a kind of girl?
	Like 7-Eleven's not.
	Okay, I don't know.
	All right, we have three more, four more.
	Vector donated $20.
	Chair 3, the men of this current society have given you permission to rob mentally ill men for the sake of a fetish.
	These men have led you to be a slave to your fetish.
	What a bunch of feminine men.
	Amen.
	I think I would say they're men who know their place.
	I think wow.
	That's wild.
	And yet they're stupid.
	Justin Martins has donated $20.
	If Brian's girl ain't burrito-shaped, though...
	Thank you, Justin.
	It's a deal breaker.
	Burrito shit.
	I don't even know what that means.
	There's just like guacamole falling out of her.
	No, sour cream.
	That would not be good.
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm now embracing misogyny donated $20.69.
	Got a point.
	If what Chair 3 said and feels is really genuine, the lack of unified outrage from the rest of the panel, slight kudos to those who did nicely speak out.
	I am now leaning to misogyny.
	Oh my god.
	I don't know.
	Do you think maybe it's like maybe this you guys just aren't confrontational about this?
	I tried to be.
	I said I didn't.
	You gotta be like, yo, you're giving us a fucking bad name, bruv.
	Come at her.
	She's not giving me a bad name.
	30 seconds, go at her.
	Do it.
	Oh, my God.
	Say, these men hit us against each other.
	Hey, go off, Queen.
	Go off, Queen.
	Anissa, come on.
	I'm not going to come here like that, but it was a white man trying to divide the people.
	No, I'm just playing.
	I'm just playing.
	Hey, yo, defend us.
	Defend us.
	Hey, I'm Switzerland, okay?
	Switzerland?
	Yeah, she's not taking aside.
	Oh, she's neutral.
	But those posts were like out of iconic.
	They were just iconic.
	You said they were for work, but it was really just like the pointing out white guy, white guy, white guy.
	Like, that was just kind of like, I barely tweet about white guys.
	I don't, you guys really picked out the white boy tweets.
	Like, most of those tweets said that.
	Go off, Queen.
	What else?
	I'm just saying, no, that's it.
	Oh, okay.
	That's all.
	Cool.
	M. Elk Jr. Sr. donated $20.
	Chair 1.
	You sound like Minka Kelly, which is hot.
	Chair three, don't talk to me like that.
	I know it's stank girl.
	I know it's small boy.
	I don't know who that is either.
	Joshua Simpson donated $20.
	That was in regards to the third seat talking about being potbelly and small.
	It's I'm the only comeback she had.
	She's definitely a weirdo.
	Oh, I'm sorry either.
	The underscore chastity underscore peen donated $20.
	Let me out.
	That's great.
	Never.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We have a super chat from Aaron Chambers.
	He reads, shout out from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
	Tuscaloosa always reminds me of that sublime song where they're like for like a minute.
	He's just listing off cities.
	You know what I mean?
	What's that song?
	April.
	Okay, whatever.
	Somebody in chat, help me out.
	What's the name of that song?
	Glad to see the show back.
	Even more glad Trump is back in office.
	You take a lot of crap for the show, Brian, but you are a good man.
	Thank you, Aaron.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	I'm six months clean from Coke.
	Praise Jesus.
	And I mean that.
	I'm thankful.
	Hashtag roll tide.
	Love it, Aaron.
	That's awesome.
	Yo, Aaron, congrats on your sobriety man.
	Thank you for the very kind words.
	Very much appreciate it.
	You are a gentleman and a scholar.
	Thank you, Aaron.
	Do appreciate it.
	W's in the chat for Aaron there for that very generous super chat.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	We got one more here, and then we're wrapping.
	Okay.
	Yes, Plown Nobo donated $20.
	Yes, plan, no bow.
	Yes, plan, no bow.
	They're plowing the men.
	They're not bowing to the men.
	Hide your men.
	Hide them good.
	They aren't bowing to us.
	They need to know their place.
	Wow.
	Poor poem.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Thank you so much for that.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	Okay.
	We're going to wrap up the show.
	I want to do a call to action.
	I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you, you, and you a call to action.
	Would you consider on the whatever podcast quitting sex work tonight?
	No.
	After this whole conversation today?
	Or just.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah, that's my goal after I finish school.
	Right now, tonight.
	Not right now.
	No.
	Why is it your goal?
	Okay, I tried.
	So stop?
	All right.
	That's cool.
	I tried my best, guys.
	I tried my best.
	All right.
	GG to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We cannot do the show without you.
	So your patronage is.
	Sorry, I'm eight hours deep and I'm brain fogging here.
	Very much appreciated.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We have fantastic panels this coming month coming into February.
	We got an Australian coming on Sunday and Tuesday.
	Really good panels.
	So be sure to tune in.
	Sunday, Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, we're going to do a Twitch raid really quick.
	Damien, I'm going to have you pull up Monkey News, Monkey News on Twitch.
	He is playing World of Warcraft Classic.
	He is in Altarac Valley playing PvP.
	Get him pulled up.
	He's, let's see here.
	Yeah, pull it up.
	It looks like this is just fresh, the anniversary realms, probably.
	Yeah, I'm assuming it's the anniversary realms.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you for watching on Twitch.
	Tell him he needs to.
	When you go raid him, tell him he needs to.
	He's wait, he's playing.
	Hold on.
	He's doing two Altarac valleys at the same time.
	This guy's a Giga Chad.
	Giga Chad warrior.
	Tell him he needs to dance on both his characters.
	Tell him he needs to dance slash dance when I send you the raid over.
	Tell him he needs to slash dance for 10 seconds on each of his characters.
	All right.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I'm sending the raid over now.
	All right, let's see here.
	You guys should definitely never play World of Warcraft because it's addictive.
	I don't play.
	I used to, though.
	So, he's Alliance and AV.
	Let's see if he gets it.
	Oh my god.
	He's very focused.
	He's playing two different clients.
	He's playing two different games.
	Okay.
	We'll have to have to leave it at that.
	That.
	I don't know if he even has his audio set up.
	Okay.
	We're all good on everything.
	Okay, guys.
	Like the video on your way out.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	Good night, guys.
	We will see you on Sunday.

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