Whatever Podcast - WILDEST SHOW EVER?! HEATED Debate With SUPER Woke Liberal Feminist LA Girls?!

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WILDEST SHOW EVER?! HEATED Debate With SUPER Woke Liberal Feminist LA Girls?! | Dating Talk #213

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	Hi, I'm Tiara Haas.
	I'm 23 years old.
	I'm from Ohio, and I'm a mental health advocate on TikTok and Instagram, but I'm also a waitress on the side.
	All right, welcome.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name.
	Oh, sorry.
	Hi, my name's Hannah Reckard.
	I am an actor by occupation.
	I prefer not to answer the number of my age because it could potentially out me for other roles.
	So, and I live in Los Angeles.
	Okay.
	And explain the, we've had this before.
	Explain the like refusing to share the age thing.
	So when you're trying to act to be a younger age in a production, they want you to be within a certain age range, even if you look like you belong in that age range.
	If you don't like biologically belong, they might not cast you.
	So it's important not to disclose your age.
	I don't really get it, though.
	Like, it doesn't make sense to me.
	Like, you look how you look.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	My mother agent told me to do it.
	I don't know.
	I just follow what I'm supposed to do.
	But why do you, and have you had any roles in like any films or TV shows?
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	They're like on Instagram.
	People get ads for them sometimes, but I do a lot of those.
	I've done student films, short films, stuff like that.
	And like you have an agent with like a you have a talent agent or?
	I'm in the process of getting a acting talent agent, but I do have a modeling talent agent because I've done that since I was about 10.
	So I've been in the entertainment industry for and they tell you that for both modeling and modeling especially.
	You're never supposed to disclose age.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I could see it a little.
	It seems like a bit more plausible for modeling than acting, but I don't know.
	What I don't understand though, if this was the case, why do we know like the exact date of birth of like the most famous models and actresses?
	So a lot of models will lie about their age until they get to stardom, and then it doesn't really matter because they won't get out of bed for less than a million.
	So it really just depends on how big you are.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Andrea Johnson.
	I am 34 and I am from Southern California.
	And my occupation, I am a marketing director.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am Mary Grace Langhorn.
	I'm 23.
	I'm from Santa Barbara, California, and I'm a surgical assistant.
	Okay, cool.
	What kind of like you work with a specific surgeon?
	I work in a pain management practice.
	So typically we have like five surgeons.
	Okay.
	We know them pretty well and they're the same surgeries.
	Acutic surgery.
	Kind of, like spinal cord stimulators.
	Okay.
	But you're not like doing like gastrointestinal.
	No, no, it's like spine, spine only.
	I see.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Kayla Hardy.
	I'm 25 and I'm in Malibu and I'm a fashion model.
	All right, welcome.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Tanjay.
	I'm 26 and I'm a singer-songwriter and an actress.
	And I'm from LA.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Sina Lee Barrett.
	I am a waitress in a barista.
	I work two jobs.
	I also go to school for my bachelor's in science nutrition.
	All right.
	And where are you from?
	Did you say where you're from?
	I'm from Ohio.
	Okay.
	And did you, sorry, I missed this.
	Age?
	I'm 25.
	25.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What's going on?
	My name is Eric Hutchins, a gay illa, a gay illosophical.
	You can find me on YouTube and Instagram.
	I do social commentary.
	I'm a full-time project management quality construction manager.
	I work with fiber optics, but on the side, I also do content.
	Peace to everybody in the chat.
	All right.
	Age?
	39, 39.
	And where are you from?
	Originally from Newark, New Jersey, by way of Charlotte, North Carolina.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	Oh, Brian Atlas, 35, owner, host, whatever podcast, over the hill, washed up, has been YouTuber.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I am the host of The Crucible.
	It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and occasionally like to get into conversations and debates with people.
	All right.
	welcome everybody so we're going to go around the actually wait before we get into relationship status uh educational background so So college?
	I went to college, but I dropped out during COVID.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So you did some undergrad?
	Yeah, I went for social work.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I did like a conservatory program through NIFA, but no like real college.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I have my master's in business administration.
	Okay.
	And what about bachelor's?
	A bachelor's in psychology.
	In psychology.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I have an AA, a bachelor's, and a vocational degree for surgical.
	What were they in?
	AA was in music, vocal performance, and then bachelor's in biomedical science.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I have a bachelor's in journalism and an associate's in theater.
	Okay, cool.
	I have a master's in marketing and a bachelor's in computer science, cybersecurity.
	Oh, interesting.
	Okay.
	I graduate in six months with my bachelor's in science nutrition.
	Okay, very cool.
	And then any school for you?
	I didn't go to college.
	I got certified in HVAC and I work in like, I work with children.
	I'm a paraprofessional as well.
	But no, I didn't attend college.
	Okay.
	To the food.
	All right, cool.
	And a couple of you are singers.
	Who's a singer?
	Me.
	Singer?
	You sing?
	That's it?
	You don't want me to sing, so you don't want anything.
	You don't want that.
	Let's hear something, right?
	Let's hear this.
	Okay.
	Uh-oh.
	Let's see.
	You're so on the spot.
	Okay.
	You played around, and this is not the time to take my heart and toss it on the ground.
	You said you'd stop.
	Okay.
	What you got?
	Not that.
	I do not got that.
	Okay.
	Okay, fine.
	And I wish you the best for the rest of my life.
	Felt sorry for you when I told you a lie.
	It wasn't you.
	All right.
	There you go.
	For sure.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	All right.
	So going around the table, what's everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Talking stage, situationship, married, friends, whatever it is.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	I'm currently single.
	I don't know if I'm talking to someone, if that makes sense.
	We're in the middle of that.
	But my longest relationship was three years and I have been single for almost two years now.
	Okay.
	Year and a half, two years, yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am currently in a committed relationship and my longest relationship was seven years.
	All right.
	Is that the current relationship?
	Okay.
	That's the current relationship.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Going back to you really quick, you've been single for two years.
	But in that two-year period, like, what's the longest period of time you were dating a guy?
	Maybe a month.
	One month?
	Yeah, maybe.
	All right.
	I'm quick to like, if I don't, if you're not up to my standard now, out of here.
	Not up to your standard?
	Okay.
	I don't even ask for a lot, in my opinion.
	What do you ask for?
	To have a job.
	Job?
	To have a car.
	Car.
	An apartment.
	Apartment.
	Can you meet your needs?
	I'm not meeting their needs.
	Okay.
	If I'm meeting my own needs, you got to meet their needs.
	All right.
	And so when's the last time you went on a date?
	Or hardly?
	Probably like two weeks ago.
	Two weeks ago.
	Yeah.
	Was it the first date?
	Yeah.
	Second.
	Second date.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is there going to be a third date?
	I think so, but we're doing this thing where he asked me to hang out and it was like a four-hour period and I was like, well, I'm not going to be rushed.
	Like, I'm just going to go another day because I live kind of far from him.
	And then he asked me this week, but I was coming here and like just tried to squeeze me in.
	And then he's texting me while I've been here.
	But I just, I'm like, we'll see what happens, I guess.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am currently single, but I am talking to someone.
	And my longest relationship was seven-ish years.
	And how long are you?
	Did you say how long you've been single?
	No, sorry.
	I've been single for a year and a half.
	So the seven-year relationship, is that the one that ended a year and a half ago?
	No.
	Okay.
	In the seven-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with my ex, yeah.
	Okay.
	And how long was the relationship that was a year and a half ago?
	A month.
	A month.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with them.
	Okay.
	And you said you're currently talking to someone?
	Yes.
	How long have you been talking to said individual?
	Off and on for a year.
	What do you mean, off and on for a year?
	We started talking last year.
	We met on Tinder and then fell off and started talking again.
	And if I recall from your notes, you're bisexual, is that correct?
	Orientation?
	I consider myself a lesbian, but I've dated men.
	Are you currently dating?
	No, I'm dating, or talking to a woman.
	Talking to a woman.
	Your seven-year relationship, was that a man or a woman?
	A man.
	Okay.
	When did that end?
	2019, 18.
	Okay.
	Were you a lesbian during the course of your relationship with a male?
	He knew that I liked women.
	I was attracted to women, but I wasn't out yet.
	Okay, I see.
	So you're, is there a possibility you'll ever date a guy again, or is that a hard no?
	There is a possibility, but they have to be.
	My standards are so much higher for men than they are.
	That's interesting.
	We'll go into that.
	So did your seven-year relationship turn you into a lesbian?
	No, I've always been attracted to women.
	Okay.
	Well, maybe you were bi before, but the relationship was so bad.
	I don't think so.
	Swearing off.
	No, he was.
	He was swearing them off.
	He was great.
	He was great.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Didn't work.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	So you said your standards are higher for men.
	Yes.
	Versus women.
	And you, I mean, now you're only dating women, but so what's the difference?
	Women just have to exist for a male date.
	Unfortunately, men, they need to buy me flowers, they have to be courteous, they have to take me on nice dates, but I'll treat the woman like no standards, sadly.
	Okay.
	What else does the guy have to do?
	What else?
	He has to be kind.
	He has to be funny.
	He has to keep me entertained.
	I don't know.
	Just.
	And women don't have to do that?
	Like, women can be like boring as fuck?
	Possibly.
	So kind of like how men have to act, basically.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Well, you're saying like you're like the expectations that you have on women kind of mirror the expectations that straight men have when it comes to women.
	Oh, maybe.
	Right?
	Well, you said the guy has to do XYZ.
	It's got to be interesting and entertaining.
	Yeah.
	But a girl, I even anticipate when I'm dating a girl, she's going to be boring as fuck.
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, no, no.
	I don't anticipate them to be boring.
	No.
	Or, well, but you said like the guy has to be entertaining or whatever.
	Yeah, it's just that like the quality of, I'm going to sound horrible.
	The quality of guy has to just be like up here versus the woman.
	Like they're just beautiful.
	Like look at all these ladies.
	Okay.
	They just have to exist.
	They just have to exist.
	Which girl at the table here would you like most?
	I'm talking to someone, so I'm not going to answer that.
	You said you're single.
	Yes.
	You said you're a single girl.
	It's on.
	It's on.
	It's off.
	When's the last time you hung out with this individual?
	Actually, they live in a different country.
	Oh, it's long distance?
	Yes.
	Which country?
	Colombia.
	Colombia.
	You like those Latin American women, huh?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Is she a fiery Latina or what?
	I wouldn't consider her fiery.
	Oh, okay.
	She's like a mellow.
	Yeah, she's like kind of like me.
	She's chill.
	She's chill.
	So do you think this is I think she might be using you for a green card Like I think she's using you You should probably break up with her.
	I don't think so.
	Just kidding.
	So, okay, wait.
	So, okay.
	How many times have you guys hung out in person?
	Once.
	One time.
	In person.
	One time.
	When was this?
	When you met?
	Yes.
	Like, go.
	Was she visiting?
	No, I was visiting.
	Oh, Columbia.
	I stayed there for five months.
	Oh, okay.
	So you guys were seeing each other.
	But you only hung out in person one time?
	So you met her before you left, basically.
	Yeah.
	Like a week before you left or some shit.
	Yeah.
	What did you guys do?
	Nothing.
	I was good.
	Uh-huh.
	Sure.
	Are we allowed to ask questions whenever?
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Yeah, you can ask a question.
	Go ahead.
	Oh.
	no i wasn't i was just asking right now if you didn't have a question I did, but now it's on the spot.
	What do you mean now?
	Just ask the question.
	Go ahead.
	No, it's okay.
	No, go for it.
	I don't mind.
	How do you know, like, she will be worth it after only seeing her for one time and for that long, you know, that you're waiting that long?
	How do you know if she's worth it or not?
	You know?
	I mean, I guess how do you know anyone is worth it?
	Like, we talk every day.
	We have great conversations.
	She makes me love it.
	You talk every day?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Do you see like a future with her as well?
	Yeah, I do.
	I think there's a possibility for a future.
	Are there any plans for her to come visit or you to go back?
	It's harder for her to come here than it is for me to go there just because of like visa situations and things like that.
	Wait, so this was like a year ago you last saw her.
	When did you last see her?
	Like in December 2023?
	February?
	Well, it wasn't a full year.
	It was like February of this year.
	Wait, hold on.
	I have a couple questions here.
	Have you dated anybody else during this time period?
	No.
	Okay, so you guys are monogamous?
	I've talked to other people.
	Yes, because we stopped talking for a while and then.
	Oh, so there's a break.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Why?
	I thought she was talking to someone else and like seeing someone else.
	And then we just.
	I don't know.
	I'm the type of person if I think someone's up to something.
	I'm just like, I'm done.
	When was the break?
	Like in June.
	Okay.
	May or June.
	So you guys are monogamous?
	I mean, I don't know if she is.
	She might be talking to someone else.
	I don't know.
	Are you?
	We haven't had a conversation.
	I'm not talking to anyone else.
	Okay.
	Is this a fulfilling relationship for you?
	At the moment.
	Okay.
	The distance isn't a problem.
	The distance is a problem.
	Okay.
	But we'll see how it goes.
	And then unrelated to this current woman, kind of, do you want to get married, have kids?
	I definitely want to get married.
	I don't know if I want kids.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	It's complicated.
	Interesting.
	It's like met somebody once and then talk every day.
	But you should date a prisoner.
	I feel like it's kind of the same.
	No.
	There's a lot of lesbian women in prison, I think.
	But she's not a criminal that I know of.
	You're like, well, I forgot about that part.
	Okay, well, all right.
	Okay, I do have some standards.
	They can't be criminals.
	Sure.
	They have to be kind of reasonable.
	I'm a little confused, though.
	You said you were single, right?
	But you're not really single, right?
	Because if, like, let's say some like hot mama sita approached you or whatever.
	That used to be my screen name.
	Really?
	Hot Mama Sita?
	Remember AM?
	4:20?
	No, it was 09.
	Okay.
	Like elementary.
	So, okay, some like you're at the Trader Joe's or doing Pilates or some shit.
	And like some hot Mama Sita steps and is like, what's up?
	I want to do things to you.
	That's the go-to pickup line for lesbian relationships, obviously.
	Are you going to turn them down?
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Shit.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, wait, how did you suspect that she was unfaithful, like, through long distance?
	An Instagram post?
	I mean, we weren't together or anything, so it's not like she was unfaithful.
	I'm the type of person if, like, we haven't disclosed that we're not seeing other people, then I can't say that she's was unfaithful.
	We were just in a talking stage, so.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	I am single.
	Okay.
	As of six weeks ago.
	Okay, six weeks.
	My longest relationship was three and a half years.
	Is that the one that ended six weeks ago?
	Absolutely not.
	In the three and a half year relationship, who broke up with who?
	My ex.
	Broke up with you?
	He broke up with me, yes.
	And then the six weeks ago, how long was that relationship?
	A year and a half.
	Who broke up with who?
	His mother broke up with me.
	Yeah, it was hot.
	Thank you.
	Good times.
	Amazing.
	Why did his mom dump you?
	Yeah.
	Why were you also dating his mom?
	You know, my sister's a lesbian, and she kind of hooked us up.
	Should have been my first red flag to not get involved.
	Your sister hooked you up with a guy.
	Yes, but my sister was trying to get with the mom.
	So that's crazy.
	Yeah, so then I actually befriended the mom because I wanted to get with the son, and my sister befriended the son because she was trying to get with the mom.
	Anyway, long story short, I ended up moving to New York for him because I was totally infatuated because he was a Latin lover.
	And yeah.
	Anywho, totally delusional.
	Okay, nice.
	Yeah, his mom had a restraining order over him to control him.
	And I didn't know until I moved to New York.
	Wait, a restraining order?
	Yeah, it was like super to control him?
	Yeah.
	It turns out domestic violence.
	Just dysfunction.
	Wait, are you sure it was a restraining order?
	100%.
	I saw the PO.
	They came.
	Yeah.
	So it wasn't to control him, right?
	No, it was.
	She admitted to it.
	Were they living together?
	At some point, yes.
	Because there's like, if he's like mentally incompetent.
	That's my type.
	No, but like, it wouldn't be a restraining order unless I'm just misunderstanding.
	She stated that her son tried to kill her.
	She later acknowledged that it was false, but you can't unsay that.
	You can't unsay that when there's their papers drawn up.
	What's the story of the attempted murder?
	The attempted murder, supposedly, he thought his mother hated him.
	And supposedly, it's very complicated, but he claimed, you just want me out of your life.
	So what is it going to take?
	Write me a check and I will never see you again.
	Basically, he thought his mother hated him.
	And the mom is screaming, my son's trying to kill me and take all my money.
	And she shouted out of the window in Carpenteria, which is right near here, a super small beach town, help, my son's trying to kill me.
	And they called the cops.
	And yeah, yeah.
	Damn.
	And at this time, you know, he did put his head through a few walls.
	What?
	Wait, you're trying to.
	No, I didn't know this until I was already involved with him.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So he, what?
	He didn't actually do that, though.
	Honestly, I think they're both liars.
	I think they are both absolutely crazy.
	The mom is trying to take me to court right now.
	Why is she trying to take you to the court?
	She's saying I owe her $10,000 for taking care of her son.
	What do you mean?
	Thank you, Lewis.
	Okay, so I moved to New York to go to school and be with him, obviously.
	She kind of gave her blessing and she was like, I support you.
	I love you for my son.
	And I love your family.
	And we're super dysfunctional and love each other.
	I end up flying to New York no sooner than yes.
	I did.
	There is.
	Yeah.
	He ended up seeing his mom text me something having to do with her other son, her stepson, his stepbrother.
	And he got super jealous, flipped out, and threatened his mom on an email saying, I want nothing to do with you.
	You've been warned.
	I'm done with this toxic relationship with you.
	Leave me alone.
	Now, what I didn't know at the time was she had an active restraining order against him.
	So that was a threat.
	And I didn't know this until I moved.
	So she ended up reporting it to his probation officer.
	And then he was in violation of his probation.
	So then she cut him off, and I ended up taking care of him for like a year and a half.
	Wait, so okay, you say you're going to try to move this forward as quickly as I can.
	You said you there's a probation officer.
	Okay, what crime was he convicted of?
	Domestic, domestic violence.
	Okay, but she later recanted and said that it was false.
	Not in court, privately.
	Okay.
	To friends.
	All right.
	And part of the restraint, part of the conviction entails a restraining order.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	So it's not just a civil restraining order, it's a criminal restraining order.
	Correct.
	What does that have to do with you pertaining to the lawsuit?
	Oh, I. Under what legal claim would she sue you for $10,000?
	She ended up paying for three months of our rent a year down the line recently because did you have a lease?
	I did not.
	No lease.
	But she was paying for the rent.
	She gave our landlord three months of rent because she felt really bad that I had been financially supporting her son for the past year.
	Are there any text messages or contracts between you two that would indicate that you're going to pay her back for this money?
	Not a contract.
	I did text that I wanted to pay her back because I.
	That probably establishes exactly liability to some degree.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You probably shouldn't have said that.
	Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
	Have you been served?
	You know, that's why I dyed my hair and moved town.
	So you actually need to be served.
	And if you don't know where I live and you don't know what I live in.
	Well, so is she threatening to file an action or did she file an action?
	She threatened it.
	How long ago?
	Two weeks ago.
	It's going to be difficult.
	She's in New York.
	She's in Carp, actually.
	Okay, well, okay, you could be, anyways, well, I'm going to dating podcasts, not legal podcasts.
	Yeah, there could be.
	You might be on the hook for some rent, but yeah.
	That's cool.
	Okay, anyways.
	Is there going to be a server processor outside your studio tonight?
	Yeah, probably.
	She's going to get served right here along with me with my own litigation matters.
	What about you?
	So I am in a committed relationship, and it's been three years.
	Sure.
	He's 15 years older than me.
	All right.
	And my longest relationship is four years.
	All right.
	So he's 40.
	And you're 25.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And sorry, your previous relationship was four years.
	Yeah.
	Or four years?
	Four years, yeah.
	And that was the longest.
	Yeah.
	And your current one's three years.
	Yep.
	Who broke up with who in the four-year relationship?
	Me.
	Okay.
	And I was living with him.
	All right.
	Was he also an age gap relationship with you?
	Yeah, he was six years older than me.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then how did you meet your current guy?
	He's a photographer, and he hired me as a model for Craigslist.
	No.
	No, not Craigslist.
	Wait, so you go do the photography gig and then he's like.
	He's an automotive photographer.
	So he hired me as like a host spokesman for a car show.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Like big name photographer?
	Yeah, Porsche's his biggest client.
	All the billboards in Los Angeles are his photos.
	Very cool.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was three years.
	All right.
	What was the other question?
	How long have you been single for?
	Since 2021, the end of 2021?
	Three years?
	Yeah.
	And then who broke up who in your three-year relationship?
	He actually passed away.
	Oh, you're a widow then, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Were you married?
	I was.
	Oh, you were married?
	Okay.
	Was that the relationship that ended, well, three years ago?
	Yes, correct.
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Thank you.
	Have you been have you dated since at all?
	I actually went on a date yesterday or last night.
	And I'm going on another one tonight after this.
	Okay.
	So, so yeah.
	Yeah, kind of starting.
	How long?
	The one yesterday?
	Was it your first date?
	Yes, really?
	Correct.
	All right.
	You're just.
	Then you got a second date already.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's a different guy.
	So it's a different guy.
	Yeah.
	Just casually.
	Missing what's out there.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in the talking stage with somebody, and my longest relationship is a year, I would say.
	A little over a year.
	Longest relationship, a little over a year.
	How long have you been in the talking stage with this new guy?
	We actually just established that before I came here.
	It's been about a month.
	One month.
	Is it long distance or same city?
	Nope.
	We actually went to the same school together and then I had moved schools.
	We actually, the person that I'm talking to, he was like my, it sounds silly, but he was like my first love in like fourth grade and he was in sixth grade.
	And then we kind of just like found each other again and he ended up living only eight minutes away.
	So let me just kind of start.
	When you say kind of sort of found each other again, what do you mean?
	You slid into his DMs or this is funny.
	So he actually had messaged me about like once a year up until yeah, like recently.
	And then finally this recent time that he had messaged me, it was actually about the hurricanes in Florida because I have family in Florida and he had asked me about how my family was doing.
	I would say like every year up until then he would message me.
	I would either be in a relationship.
	He wouldn't say anything like too forward, but he'd always be there in my DMs.
	Yeah.
	But it was just kind of bad timing because every single time you would have something else going on.
	Well, it's funny back in like fourth grade, I would say fourth, fifth grade, I heard rumors about him and I just never looked his way since and I never gave him like more chances after what was the rumor.
	I honestly forget.
	It was been such a long time ago, but I just remember being at like a fifth grade dance and hearing about it.
	I think he, or was it the sixth grade dance?
	It's been like fourth grade.
	You said he was your like childhood crush/slash love?
	Like, or how did you describe it?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Okay, so I was.
	You remember what it is?
	What is it?
	I was in fourth grade.
	He was in sixth grade.
	And then for two years, we were kind of, you know, back and forth.
	So then the last time, I think I heard a rumor, and I think he was like on the eighth grade DC trip.
	I don't know if you guys know what that is, but our high school takes a trip our eighth grade year to DC.
	Yeah, what's the rumor?
	The rumor was that I really forget that he talked to somebody else.
	He flirted with somebody else.
	But I was also in fourth grade and he was in or no, I was in sixth grade at the time and he was in eighth grade.
	So it was something along the lines of him talking to somebody else.
	Yes, but it was very looked down upon because he was two years older.
	And my parents are very like, well, my grandparents.
	I was adopted by my grandparents.
	They had a lot of strict morals.
	And something that comes specifically to my mind on why we stopped talking as well, I was kind of forced to stop talking to him.
	So not only was the rumor the thing, but I was also forced by my grandparents to stop talking to him because he reposted something on Facebook and it was a cuss word that he had reposted.
	Didn't even type it himself.
	But that's just how strict my grandparents are as well.
	Is that I'm so far removed from like elementary school.
	That is kind of like for an eighth grader.
	Is that kind of weird for an eighth grader to be dating a sixth grader?
	I mean, at the time, I feel a bit weird.
	A little, but like, okay, sixth grader dating a fourth grade?
	I don't know.
	I wasn't, I didn't start dating until like high school.
	Well, I see, well, eighth, eighth and sixth is still middle school, so they're all middle schoolers, right?
	Yes, so I was, there's three schools.
	There's like an elementary, a middle school, and a high school.
	And during that time, he was in the high school.
	Yeah, he was in the high school.
	You did an eighth through 12th grade high school?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I see.
	Yeah, that doesn't sound great.
	Yeah, they shoved the eighth graders in there.
	It's a pretty small school.
	But in any case, you guys, he was sliding into the DMs every single year.
	You're finally single.
	Now you guys are in a talking stage.
	Yes.
	But, I mean.
	Sorry, I lost my channel.
	You're in a talking stage.
	We've been talking for a month, yes.
	Okay.
	Is it you guys?
	You think it's going to go further?
	I do.
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	This guy seems like he's super into you.
	Why is it, has he not asked you to be his girlfriend?
	I think he's just kind of waiting on me to say, like, to date or not.
	With me, it kind of takes time to really get to know somebody.
	I feel like in this modern dating society, you don't really know someone until you start living with them or spending a lot of time with them.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you guys have known each other for like each other in between then.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	Well, I'm single right now.
	I was, my longest relationship was when I was married.
	I got married really young, like 22, 23.
	I was with her for like six years.
	And then I was with someone about two years after that for about another six years.
	And I kind of just been, I went through my little phase where I just, you know, focused on work.
	Now I'm just, you know, window shopping.
	I'm not really talking to anybody too seriously.
	I'm just, you know, checking out the discount rack and see what's going on.
	You know what I mean?
	You know, I'm trying not to.
	What's going on?
	Yeah.
	Just see what's going on out there.
	I'm not really involved in anybody seriously right now.
	I'm just getting to know people this way.
	Sure.
	I guess you're in the right place.
	Girth Quake donated $200.
	What happened to Madison?
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, I already addressed it, but like two months ago, a month ago, she resigned.
	No bad blood, anything like that.
	Business, you know, people move on, switch jobs, circumstances change.
	It's good working with her, but I was too mean to her.
	Andrew was too mean to her, yeah.
	If she ever wants to come back, the door's open.
	And look, if you guys really want her back, you can let her know, DM or whatever.
	Door's open, backed by popular demand, Madison.
	But yeah, so, and then we had one coming through here.
	Archduke Glocktavius donated $200.
	Brian, looking forward to playing World of Warcraft Classic fresh with you.
	I sent in my application on the Discord.
	LFG.
	Yo, thank you, Glocktavius.
	I'll take a look.
	Guys, so discord.gg slash whatever.
	If y'all want to come play World of Warcraft with me and Andrew Wilson, Andrew, you're going to play Mage, right?
	Yeah, I think I'm going to do a Mage for sure.
	Yeah.
	But, and it's still, it's still not 100% if we're going to do this.
	I got to see if I have time.
	There's a lot going on, but we'll see the interest in the guild.
	That's what I did years ago.
	It was a horde mage.
	Troll mage.
	Oh, nice.
	There you go.
	You got to go undead, though, I think.
	I think you got to go.
	Troll?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Actually, I think like for PvE, troll is probably, wait.
	For mage, I think is better.
	Because like the like minimally, though.
	Because like the passive racial, you get the casting speed increase or whatever.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	The haste thing.
	I forgot what it's called exactly.
	All right.
	So we're going to do three reacts.
	We've been need to get these done.
	First, we have a video from you that went really viral.
	Damien, can you pull that up?
	While he's getting that pulled up, quick question for you.
	I think I already asked this.
	You said you've been single for two years.
	Your last date, though, was two weeks ago, you said?
	Yeah, a few weeks ago.
	But a lot of the dates, like in between from my last relationship, I didn't really take seriously because I was like, you know, just not there yet.
	Now I'm like, same thing, kind of window shopping, just seeing what's out there.
	Whatever comes, comes.
	Sure.
	Damien?
	All right, we're going to play the clip.
	No, I ain't got it.
	There is going to be audio.
	It's the Instagram clip.
	Make it one bigger if you can.
	So guys, watch the clip.
	We're going to get your reaction to this segment.
	Go ahead.
	So what were you saying?
	I said women don't like dudes who got their own, who don't need them.
	They'd rather deal with men who are not that intellectually aggressive, who gonna let them say what they want and do what they want.
	They'd rather deal with a man like, not saying you like that, but most women out here don't want to deal with a man who's going to say, baby, nah, don't wear that.
	Nah, baby, don't talk like that.
	They don't really want to deal with that.
	They'd rather deal with a dude who let them say and do whatever they want to do.
	And they think if a man be a man, he's a toxic.
	So my question was, do you fuck with a real woman?
	Let me answer that question.
	And the reason why I asked is because if you fuck with a real woman, she's going to agree with you.
	Hey, maybe I shouldn't step outside wearing this.
	I respect that, baby.
	Nasty ass shit.
	Let me answer that.
	This is the problem.
	The real woman is standing too close to the holes, so we don't know the difference until we start talking to y'all.
	No, no, listen, listen.
	I met a lot of women.
	It don't mean, I don't care if they're from the hood.
	I don't care if they from, they got two parents.
	Their interests are the same.
	It's like right now, right?
	If you see 10 lions coming down the street, are you going to try to figure out which lion gonna bite your ass or not?
	You're going to be like them 10 lions.
	So unfortunately, the real woman agree with too much shit that these holes is on.
	So we don't know the fucking difference.
	Okay, so I think the key points there, just to kind of perhaps help prompt this for the panel, is you don't want a girl to dress revealing, right?
	And then what was the other one?
	Like going out to bars and their interests are into the moment?
	Their interests are the same.
	So it's like, you know, it's not necessarily controlling or having just looking like a certain type of woman.
	It's their interests.
	It's the music they listen to.
	It's their attitudes.
	It's their perspectives.
	It's their, you know, outlook on life seems to be too similar to women that are not in their league.
	So it's not like, because people say, oh, you should talk to different type of women or deal with women a different area as if they're not everywhere.
	You can find a woman.
	I know women that are in corporate America that's dealing with guys that are criminals.
	I know it doesn't matter their lifestyle.
	They still seem to deal with the same type of guys.
	They still seem to have the same type of perspectives, regardless of their upbringing, regardless of their education.
	They still seem to come to the same conclusion with other women.
	And it seems like when a man is more assertive, a little more objective, a little more protective of their image, they seem like he's insecure or he's controlling when this he's really protecting you from the world.
	It's not about, hey, you're mine.
	You can't do anything.
	But why would your man want you to be online with your body exposed?
	What type of man would want that?
	A lot of women say, oh, men are not traditional.
	They're not courting anymore.
	Why would I court a woman who's already exposed?
	You court a woman to discover something that's not easily exposed to people.
	So if your body is exposed online, why would I court that?
	Why would I take out the time to treat you differently when all I got to do is just go on your Instagram and I can see your whole body.
	So why would a man traditionally deal with a woman who's not even moving traditionally?
	So that was the perspective of that video.
	Okay.
	I did notice that you brought up Lions, the 10 Lions thing.
	But that was a hypothetical one.
	I was just wondering if you're aware that hypotheticals are hypocritical.
	I just say that again?
	That hypotheticals are hypocritical.
	How so?
	Oh, I mean, I just heard that on an alpha male podcast.
	I just wondered if you'd ever heard that before.
	No, I've never heard that.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, what?
	I don't know.
	Oh, is that a.
	I don't know.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What are we answering right now?
	Okay.
	So we watched the video.
	Yeah.
	Your reaction to the video.
	I'll go find that.
	I was going to say, I feel like when you say all women, you could flip that and say all men.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, to say that every woman agrees with every woman is kind of crazy.
	Because I guarantee you that we don't agree on everything, like sitting here.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But that's why I said in the video, I said it's not all.
	So I said a lot.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's definitely, it's never all.
	It's never all of anybody.
	No one, that's just ridiculous.
	But a lot of women, there's a lot of women that agree with this liberal, I can wear what I want to wear.
	And if he has a problem with it, it's his problem.
	It's like, okay, cool.
	But that doesn't work in the real world.
	You know, if you want to go out, it's like a man.
	If I'm coming outside with money hanging out in my pockets, jewelry dripping all over me, can I really get upset when a woman looks at me for just finances or look at me just as a provider?
	I'm sending mixed messages.
	So it's like if you want this traditional man, if you want this protection, if you want this leadership, what's wrong with coming out with a modest approach?
	Now we know it's a new time, so women are a lot more liberated than before.
	So you're not going to be grandma, but it's a little extreme these days.
	And to try to figure out which woman is going to be the right woman for you, picking from the visuals, the interest in music, the interest in talking points, is a little difficult.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's why a lot of men are looking elsewhere.
	Like you have, Miss.
	Like you're looking overseas.
	It's like, it sounds like what the Passport Bros are doing.
	You know what I'm saying?
	A lot of people, guys are looking at other races of women, other genders, not genders, but other nationalities of women.
	Because it seems like in America, traditional manhood, I feel like the modern women have been programmed into being incompatible with a man's nature.
	So it's like a man has to fight his nature just to deal with the woman.
	And that's just not realistic.
	I would say women would do the same right now, though.
	Like we're fighting our own feminine energy and asking, acting masculine also in this generation.
	Like I basically took care of a man.
	Like he just quit his job and I had to take care of everything.
	But a lot of the men, and it might be just the men that I'm attracting, but a lot of men that I'll like end up talking to, they just can't even provide for themselves.
	And I feel like everything is just kind of flipped right now, if that makes sense.
	Like everything is just flipped.
	I agree, but this is the issue that I realize with a lot of women.
	A lot, like I noticed, like I have a friend of mine, she's talking about how a lot of the women's homicides are coming from their mates and coming from the men that they're with.
	This is the issue with that.
	A lot of men that are dealing with women today are very passive.
	And what they do is they suppress their natural instincts just to deal with the woman and then they snap because they've been fronting for so long and it's, oh, yeah, baby, I'll do that.
	Yeah, just telling you what you want to hear for so long that one day they just go crazy because women are avoiding men who are objective from the beginning.
	So they end up with guys that they got to take care of because the guy that you don't have to take care of, he's going to tell you, he's not going to tell you what you want to hear.
	So you end up with the guy that will tell you what you want to hear, but you also got to take care of him.
	Not saying you have.
	I'm saying that happens a lot.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So any reactions to the original clip from any other panelists here?
	I would disagree with the statement.
	Okay.
	I would say that mostly because my longest healthiest relationship that I'm currently in, I do modeling, I do acting.
	He's seen everything that goes online.
	Sometimes I do bikini shoots.
	Sometimes I have to do lingerie shoots.
	Sometimes I'm kissing a guy in a scene.
	Sometimes there's a sex scene involved.
	No actual sex happens, just to be clear.
	It's fake.
	And he's very secure in our relationship.
	He doesn't feel jealous.
	He doesn't feel any type of way about it.
	And I think that comes down to nurture instead of nature.
	So how he was raised by his mother is very different than I think any other man that I've ever dated.
	And the reason why he turned out the way he did and the reason why he's okay with me pursuing my career and it doesn't bother his masculinity is because he's secure in our relationship because he had a perfect business model and that's his parents.
	So one thing really quick.
	I mean, you cited to your career.
	I don't know if you give a carve out.
	I mean, I think some men would still, but you give a carve-out like if she's a model.
	That's different.
	But it's like, I think you're talking when you were in the clip, when you were talking about how they dress, it's like they're going out to bars and clubs and like titties out.
	Absolutely.
	And what you're doing, that's a profession.
	So that comes with the profession.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm pretty sure you had that profession before you met him.
	I'm talking about women who work at K-Barn and she got two or three children or she's dating someone already and she's just advertising her body just because just to pass the time and get likes.
	You're not getting paid for that.
	That's like Jay-Z.
	His wife is Beyonce.
	So she's going to take some salacious pictures because that comes with her career.
	That's a part of the industry she's in.
	So they have that established.
	I'm talking about the average woman who just wants attention and using her body to just get attention despite the demands or the request of her partner or potential suitors that she would like.
	That is not benefiting her.
	Like you're getting paid for that.
	You're getting contracts for that.
	You're getting offers for what you're doing.
	These women are just showing their body just to show it.
	So my question is.
	Wait, really quick, just to allow her a chance to respond.
	So I guess setting aside the career component here, do you still have a disagreement with his position?
	think it's still valid and it's because you're his position or you're my My position, I think, is still valid because not every single person you meet on the street, you're going to be compatible with.
	And we all have a different moral compass.
	And there's not a wrong or right moral compass.
	That being said, if you want someone who dresses modestly, then go for someone who dresses modestly.
	I think the real issue comes in when we're putting each other down for each other's wants and dislikes.
	There's nothing wrong with you wanting something or her wanting something.
	It comes when you want someone because maybe how they look, but you want to conform, you want them to conform to what you believe.
	You know, just find someone compatible for you.
	I respect that.
	But what I'm saying is based on the complaints I'm hearing from women in modern society.
	Where are the men at?
	Why are they not this?
	Why are they not that?
	Well, this is why.
	So what I'm saying is you can do what you want to do because I don't judge.
	My thing is all about cause and effect, results.
	You can do whatever the hell you want, but don't complain when those results don't come back that you want.
	So if you want to be liberated and show your nipples and show your cleavage and the crack of your behind to total strangers online, you are free to do that, but you're not free to complain about the lack of males and the lack of men who are able to provide a certain lifestyle not wanting to deal with you.
	That's my issue.
	You can do what you want to do, but don't blame men that don't want to deal with that at the same time.
	You can't have it all.
	You can't have it both ways, in my opinion.
	But you can do what you want to do.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, I hear what both of you are saying, and I really agree with what you're saying.
	I also agree with what you just said.
	But I think at the same time, the same thing goes for the men who are complaining about the women who are dressing provocatively.
	Like, they need to take into account that there's women who are dressing conservatively, so they should just go for those women.
	And, you know, they shouldn't be complaining when they can't, or they're on Instagram and they're seeing these women who have their nipples showing.
	And I agree with that, but that's why I said they standing too close because when I say it's not just about the visuals, it's the mindset.
	So for example, I know women that are conservative visually, but when they start talking, you see what type of people they associate themselves with, the music they listen to, the perspectives, how they deal with other people, their character, their decorum.
	It's just like a woman who dresses salaciously.
	So what I'm talking about is an energy, a perspective, the way you carry yourself, not just how you look.
	That's like kind of low-hanging fruit.
	I said that because, you know, people can gravitate towards that easily.
	But it's not just how they dress, it's just how they move, period.
	You know what I'm saying?
	We all know you got a friend that's nothing like you, but you hang with her.
	So if you got a chick like me, if I'm hanging with a dude that's a gang member, I may not be, but can I judge someone who says, well, hey, you seem cool, but you with that guy, so I don't know.
	I could get in my feelings all I want, but like the Bible says, not to get religious.
	But man, look at the outward appearance.
	People's natural instinct is to just judge what they see.
	People are not going to take the time to see through and see, well, maybe he's not quite like that.
	Yeah, his friend's a murderer, but people got to survive.
	People are going to do what's instinctive to make them give him a better day tomorrow.
	So they're not going to take the time to try to distinguish, are you different from this woman?
	They're going to look at it and they're going to keep it moving, especially in today's time where just approaching a woman wrong could change your life.
	You could talk to the wrong woman and say, how you doing, Miss?
	And she'll get you, you know, restraining on all types of stuff.
	Like, I know a guy who recently just got a restraining on a put on him to the point where he got fired from his job just because he told the woman that she, you know, she's nice looking.
	Like, we live in these sensitive times.
	So it's like, if we're in these sensitive times, you think this is the time to really come outside looking crazy?
	You really think it's the time to really post on your Instagram looking super salacious?
	I just don't think it's the right time for that, in my personal opinion.
	I have a daughter, you know.
	I think that men say that they want a modest woman, but they really don't.
	Because you guys, like, the generation now has kind of shifted.
	Everyone was wanting that kind of modest, kind of old school relationship, right?
	Now, social media is involved.
	People, you know, do OnlyFans.
	Women do a lot of different things.
	And you guys pay for that.
	So it's kind of.
	I don't pay for that.
	Well.
	Well, you might, but a large amount of men do.
	These guys are simps.
	So you guys kind of attract and like those things.
	So women have kind of shifted.
	Like even like with BBLs and different things like that.
	Now it's not a thing.
	Now people don't like it.
	Like men don't like it.
	So women are now getting it removed and different things.
	So we're kind of shifting with how you guys respond to what we're doing because I don't think that we like women were respected when we were modest.
	Like when we were doing, you know, staying at home, cooking, like you guys didn't respect that.
	So now I feel like everything is changing and now that we just want to be ourselves, whatever that may entail.
	What?
	Yeah, it's kind of a false premise, isn't it?
	I don't know about that.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I just want to make sure that we're clear.
	You think that women are respected more now that more of them do sex work than before when they didn't do sex work?
	No, I'm not saying that they're respected more, but I'm saying that men men are men are eating that stuff up right now.
	And it is slowly going away and we're slowly going back to kind of the modest.
	Now men, you know, hey, you need to cover up.
	It's not OnlyFans.
	It's not great anymore.
	You know, different things like that.
	I think you guys don't realize like you guys do change and things do shift with what you guys like as well.
	It does shift.
	I want to mention something too.
	I think both races feed into, you know, stuff like that.
	Porn, OnlyFans.
	Both genders.
	I meant genders, myself.
	Both races.
	Both genders feed into that type of stuff because the guys buy it.
	They ag it on, you know.
	And girls want to dress a certain way, you know, to look a certain way for men to get men's validations.
	I believe both genders just play a role in that.
	Well, we'll come right back to the Kaiser donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Kaiser.
	Wednesday was so bad.
	Brian brought only class C ladies on tonight.
	How am I going to roast this table later?
	Dude, I'll have to roast the guys.
	Eric, I'm from NJ too.
	The good part, though, not new one.
	You mean a soft part?
	Yo, Kaiser, thank you, man.
	Nobody here does OnlyFans, correct?
	No, no.
	Or in the past?
	No.
	Never done OnlyFans?
	Shout out to y'all.
	Nobody?
	Okay, hey, no OnlyFans girls on the panel.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Did you have more?
	Did you want to say that?
	I wanted to say one more thing.
	I'm sorry.
	I also think that whatever women, like whatever they wear and put out is the type of feedback in men of what they will get in return.
	If I'm posting, you know, half-naked pictures all the time, I'm going to probably get nastier men, if that makes sense.
	I feel like moderation and just, I feel like being more covered up is more sexier than just having everyone see what you already have.
	That's more of like an intimacy moment, more in the bedroom.
	More energy is put into the bedroom as well instead of trying to get validation through different men, not even your own partner.
	I will add, dressing more provocatively on Instagram, you attract more male followers rather than women, you know, and like you were saying, if we're living more masculine than feminine because of the way we have to work and everything, we're going to want to maybe make money off of them and we attract them.
	I think that's a sorry, I'm so sorry.
	I think that's a discipline thing where that's just fast money.
	It's easy money.
	I'm out here a waitress in a barista working two jobs, also going to school full time.
	I am living, honestly, I am completely satisfied with my life.
	I'm already okay with what I have.
	I think a lot of people, especially in today's society, I think people are just bored and they always want what's next, what's better, what's new, instead of trying to go through situations with your partner and like last forever, you know?
	Do you guys tip you more as a waitress?
	They do, yes.
	So it's kind of the same thing.
	Like, God, 100%.
	But I don't dress or, you know, I don't dress a certain way.
	I work at a Mexican restaurant.
	It's a family restaurant.
	But I mean, I think that's just the way that men are biologically made.
	You know, you're going to get tipped more if you're a pretty girl.
	If you're a handsome boy, girls are going to tip you more.
	But I agree with everything you said, to be quite honest, because women cannot expect a traditional archetype of a man, what a man is, and not act like an archaeotype of a female in that balanced dynamic in a relationship.
	So if that is what you desire, which I think it is, that's what you've expressed, you know, that's the dynamic that you look forward to.
	I think it's completely valid to find a like-minded individual that honors that.
	But women cannot complain if they're going on Instagram, tits out, tongues out, and saying, like, but why is nobody, nobody's taking care of me?
	My man isn't my savior, my moneymaker.
	It's not going to happen.
	You can't have your cake and eat it too.
	I'd like to talk about it.
	What about the phenomenon of the chameleon?
	So the chameleon being a woman who did all of that for many years or something like this, then puts on the sundress and then expects also to get that archetype, which you're talking about, the traditional male-masculine archetype.
	What are you guys' thoughts there?
	I had one other thought that I wanted to add to the previous statement.
	And we're all talking about what men like on a girl's Instagram or girls put on a girl's Instagram for men.
	But I think we're also neglecting what women put on Instagram for other women.
	So the amount of women, I am one of those girls who I get significant more validation if a girl comments on my post than what a guy comments on my post.
	And there's a difference between, I think, posting like maybe slightly revealing, but in through the female gaze versus male gaze.
	And I don't think men understand that, like the female gaze versus the male gaze.
	But us girlies, I think we understand the female gaze versus the male gaze.
	No, I'm glad you said that because I think one of y'all was saying how, I think you said how women are dressing a certain way for the men, but like she said, they're not.
	A lot of women are dressing for other women, even on even like they say, well, or they're dressing like that for themselves.
	Well, I'm not dressing like this for you.
	So it's like a lot of men don't want that.
	Like you see a lot of interviews where they'll go on the street and they ask men, so what you like, weave or you like natural hair?
	Nine out of ten times, men are going to say natural hair.
	But women think men want weave.
	Women think men want BBLs and all that.
	It's like they're not really listening to men.
	And the only men that they're listening to are men that's on television and these small sectors of these guys that are athletes where, you know, they have exuberant amounts of money.
	And they're thinking that those guys' appetite is the appetite of the everyday man.
	And it's not, and they conflate the two because I feel like a lot of women are more in tune with mainstream perspective than real men's perspective.
	And like you said, women are dressing for other women.
	They're not even thinking about men, but they still want those men to honor them or look at them.
	But they're not taking into account the men's perspective at all.
	But to talk on that note as well, not every, you know, you said like a, you compared us to like to lions like in a horde.
	And I would say not every single one of those lions wants to be hunted.
	And so it's hard for you guys to find who wants to be in a relationship.
	But some of us, you know, if I were to break up with my partner or he was to break up with me tomorrow, I wouldn't be out looking for a new one.
	That's just not my personality type.
	If you don't add anything to my life, then like substantial, like whether that's joy, laughter, whatever, I don't need you there.
	And I'm so fulfilled in my life outside of my relationship that I think for me, a relationship can only add to it.
	And so sometimes girls, like, we get our nails done for other girls to compliment.
	We don't always get our nails done for a guy to compliment.
	They're not going to notice if you highlighted your hair.
	They're not going to notice if you got your nails done.
	Those tiny little things are for the girls.
	And a lot of women just are not interested.
	And we know.
	And that's why men are acting the way they're acting.
	Because another thing I think people don't understand that this perspective of a lot of men are reflective of a certain age group.
	I'm 39.
	So when we speak, because I feel like there's a, my generation went to a specific experience as far as dealing with the opposite sex.
	And it gets even more nuanced when it comes to race.
	And we're dealing with the women that are dealing with the collateral damage of things that they really didn't have nothing to do with.
	Men had to go through that too.
	Like when I was younger, I'm tall, I'm dark skinned, I got a deep voice.
	So it's easy for somebody to, it's easy for me to deal with the collateral damage of people from my neighborhood or people that may look at me.
	It's not fair, but it's reality.
	So women are dealing with the collateral damage of previous generations and what they did or how they carried themselves.
	So a lot of young women were like, well, I didn't do that.
	They've grown up in a world where feminism has already taken place and control women and men.
	So a lot of y'all may not have ever done none of these things that we're talking about because from the conversation, y'all seem like very classy women.
	Like I appreciate y'all, mind.
	Y'all cool.
	But a lot of y'all dealing with stuff that the older generation did.
	And the older men are saying, we're not dealing with this anymore because we've seen women say one thing and do something else.
	And even when, like you said, when it comes to hunting, you said hunting the lions, a lot of times it's not even about trying to get her to be your girlfriend.
	I've seen situations where women just, I think men and women don't know how to just be friends anymore.
	Like every time a man is talking to you, he's not trying to get your number.
	He's not trying to get, he's just passing the time.
	Like if I go to a lounge or something, the music is wax.
	So it's not like nobody's dancing anymore.
	So I'm going to talk.
	I've seen situations when I'll have a nice conversation with a woman, very classy, just real lighthearted.
	Hey, what you went to?
	Hey, what you like to eat?
	Oh, I went there.
	Just like her friend will come.
	Oh, you don't know him.
	Why are you talking to him?
	Get away from him.
	And she'll say, oh, don't worry about her.
	That type of thing.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's like, if you want men to respect you, respect them and stop assuming every man that's talking to you is just trying to get into.
	You don't know what people are going through.
	Sometimes a man, just to see a pretty woman, just want to have a conversation with her just to boost his day.
	And he just go on about it.
	I know women, y'all went to clubs sometimes.
	The man just complimented you, gave you a drink, and you never see him again for the rest of the night.
	Men, we do that.
	We're not just one track minded.
	We cool.
	We like to do stuff for you.
	But this mentality of women is just so off-putting that I think by the time they really start to talk to men, they're so turnt off by not necessarily what they've done, but what their constituents have done.
	I completely understand what you're saying.
	I think from that perspective, though, it's like you can talk to me however.
	And I'm perfectly okay talking to a man and it not being like a romantic situation or feeling threatened.
	But sometimes when we see our girls being talked to by a man, we don't know what the conversation is.
	We don't know what's going on between them.
	And maybe you get a little heady first because you're concerned for her because you never know.
	You know, there is the whole man and the bear argument and you just never know.
	But that, but that, but that's to me, that's a problem because to me, that's a side effect of the assumed mentality of today that men are a threat to me.
	I would like to add, I don't really think it's assumed only because, like, as women, that's something like I could say, probably every woman at this table has been through.
	So it's not really assumed.
	It's just like we genuinely have been through it ourselves.
	So it's like, it's not that we mean to be protective, but like it does happen.
	So like we should protect each other.
	But it's never what you do, it's how you do it.
	Like in other words, if I'm talking, I'm sorry, if I'm talking to my man, if my man is at the club, right?
	And he's talking to a woman and he looks comfortable.
	He don't seem, I'm not going to say, hey, bro, what are you doing?
	Get away from like that's weird.
	If you see your girl, if she's not, she's not being touched.
	This is a public setting.
	It's not like we're in someone's house.
	We're in a public setting.
	There's security guards.
	And she's talking to a man, laughing, and being pleasurable.
	You can just come by and say, hey, what y'all talking about?
	Now, to come with your guns blazing, that's something totally different.
	Well, approach definitely matters.
	You're talking about cock blocking?
	I want to say approach definitely matters, but I do think that like that's something I would never.
	I was going to say, I would never, if I think something's wrong, I would still say something and I might not approach them like, what are you doing?
	Because I also don't know.
	Like, you might be trying to date them.
	I'm not trying to screw you up either.
	But I do still feel like a girl should definitely go protect the other girls.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But it's how you do it.
	But the thing is, it's just assumed that something can go wrong.
	Yeah.
	Because if we're in the club, we're sitting, it's space between us.
	I'm just talking to her.
	She's talking to me.
	We're grown.
	No one's being hurt.
	So just to assume that I have to come and save her, it's like, like I said, it's how you do it.
	Like the way y'all explained it, that's cool.
	And I'm just checking on my friends.
	Because someone want to say that, hey, I'm cool.
	I'm just checking on my friend, making sure she's good.
	I understand, sweetheart.
	But some women come, who is this?
	Why are you talking to him?
	It's like, why you got to talk like that?
	See, I feel like, okay, this is going to sound kind of mean.
	I feel like when women do that, it's usually because they're jealous of the other girl that they're talking to.
	I don't really think it's necessarily like they're protecting them.
	They're actually just jealous that their friend has a man.
	Absolutely.
	It's always, it's never how you do it.
	It's all about how you go about it.
	Like attention is everything.
	Agreed.
	Cool donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Cole.
	Appreciate it.
	She talked to you earlier about men curious to the music women listens to.
	Makes sense when you think of it.
	Did we did that come up early?
	She brought up in the video.
	In the video, I said that you listen to all that.
	Oh, you wanted to say something?
	Oh, no, I was just kind of going to piggyback off of what she said.
	Just that, you know, as a woman, we have to take our safety into consideration.
	So I think it's really important to check on your friend, to check on yourself.
	But I agree with what you said about it's about the tone and how you approach it.
	Yeah, because the more classy you, women, there's one thing that women, and it seems like you guys have figured it out.
	Your femininity and your softness is a strength.
	It's not a weakness.
	And I think a lot of times this modern world has made women feel like being soft is a weakness and they try to replicate actual manly energy and call that feminism.
	Feminism to me should be something where we stand up for being soft women.
	To me, that's feminism.
	But when I hear a lot of women talk and explain feminism, it's like, you just want to be a man.
	There's nothing feminine about that at all.
	So the soft approach, there's always weirdos, there's always an exception to the rule, takes that as just an advance to just go crazy.
	But most men will acquiesce to the softness of a woman.
	And a lot of times, if women just keep that approach, that's actually a superpower that they can use a lot more often than they don't.
	But it seems like you guys have it mastered.
	All right.
	Well, we can come back to that in a little bit.
	How about this last thing on this sort of this topic?
	Do you think it's fair, like, if a woman isn't traditional, so kind of related to how she dresses, if she doesn't dress traditional, the guy shouldn't pay for the first aid?
	Is that a fair proposition?
	I feel like clothes have nothing to do with that.
	Being traditional?
	So, like, your assassin, you're wearing a hooker's uniform.
	I just feel like a man would pay either way and go about his day and never talk to her again if she was wearing revealing clothes.
	Like, I'm still going to be a man.
	I'm still going to pay.
	Well, I don't want to talk about it.
	Yeah, that might happen.
	I guess the question is more sound.
	Did the man see her photos before they went on the date?
	Because if he did, then if he asked her, where did they pay for it?
	That's different.
	Yeah, you kind of knew what you're getting into.
	Well, say if I you don't dress like that, and then you show up like that, I might leave.
	Because you're gonna be a little bit more than that.
	Yeah, like don't even sit down and eat.
	You don't even have to pay now.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, you show up looking like that, I might leave because women don't realize when you dress like that, you put a man in harm's way.
	Because somebody might catcall, somebody might grab you, and he's gonna have to do something.
	He could lose his life defending you because you want to come outside looking crazy.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's not just about controlling you, it's about keeping civilization all right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Women got to stop dressing so crazy.
	Men are very aggressive, man.
	Like, you don't want, it's like walking around a cave of lions with meat hanging off you.
	Are you going to be mad at the lions?
	Like, that's their nature.
	Not saying that men are just a wild, uncontrollable beast, but it's like mental health is real today.
	As you know, people are out of their minds.
	Their littlest thing can take them over the top.
	Cover yourself up.
	It's a lot of lonely men, a lot of depressed men.
	You walking around with just a group of women with your whole body exposed is dangerous.
	And it's also dangerous for the men in your life because they got to put their life on the line to protect you from something that was extremely preventable.
	I do want to say I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that that's their nature to be that way.
	Because if you are, you know, I don't want to say normal, if you're a grown-up human being and you don't have any type of mental illness or, you know, something like that, that shouldn't be your nature.
	Are you talking about men?
	I actually think that's a men's mind.
	Men, women, it doesn't matter.
	Like, if someone is.
	I'm losing them is the nature.
	I'm saying reacting to your sexuality is a nature, not being crazy.
	That's not your nature.
	It is a man's name.
	I'm going to say that it's someone's natural instinct to be able to recall a woman's sexuality.
	Like y'all just said, when I dress provocatively, what happens?
	More men subscribe, right?
	If I was in a tight dress and I came in here, would you naturally cat call me?
	No, I didn't say cat caught, but I would look.
	But you said that was in their nature.
	It is in their case.
	Looking is way different than being catcalled or touching.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Cat caught, whatever word you want to use, it is in a man's nature to address your sexuality, whether it be extremely or whether it be subtly.
	It is his nature to respond to your sexual energy.
	Because I was going to say, like, even if you look into like, not to compare us to like literal animals, but if you look at animals, the men will always go to the woman.
	Like, it's just in their nature to logically.
	To approach women.
	Just like it's in a woman's nature to acquiesce to his prosperity.
	Am I going to say that a woman is wrong for that?
	No.
	If you're out here showing that you got that bread, you can't be mad when women want to see, okay, would you spend some on me?
	Hey, I would like that.
	That's women's nature.
	Women are hypergamous, and men are visual creatures.
	That's just life.
	And I think the modern time, we so caught up in people's feelings that we disregard science and biology.
	Some things are just what they are.
	And you can fight with it all you want, but it's only going to be at your own peril.
	You said that you're religious, right?
	No, I'm spiritual.
	Spiritual.
	So my thing to a lot of men who use spirituality or religion as a way to say, well, this is just in our nature.
	This is what we're supposed to do.
	It says, in pretty much, because all of the connected religions, so that would be Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism.
	I'll mean to interject, but I didn't, I said science and biology.
	I didn't say religion.
	Okay.
	Mine is just like a little thought off of that.
	Okay, go ahead.
	All of these connected religions, including, you know, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, it says directly in the text that if a man cannot look away or if he must react to a woman and how she is dressed, that he should gouge out his eyes.
	It also says that women are to dress modestly.
	It does.
	And that women are to acquiesce to men and dress modestly as they acquiesce to men.
	But is modestly maybe that can be subjective, right?
	There's no definition for what is.
	Because there's specific instructions, like covering your head at church, not wearing men's clothing.
	There's all sorts of different actual, especially in Islam.
	Islam is very much very hyper-specific on dress codes, but so is Christianity.
	And for instance, Orthodox Christianity has roughly 2,000 years of dress code enforcement when it comes to church and how people are supposed to dress, not dress, and what the standard for modesty is.
	It's set down from an ecclesiastical authority.
	But do we have photos?
	It's not like these things are unclear, right?
	Do we have photos or is it just kind of descriptions, though?
	Like, it is to a certain extent.
	No, it's descriptive.
	Like, yeah, your dress must cover X and you must have a head covering when you're doing X thing.
	And yeah, it's very, very, very specific.
	It's not something which is.
	I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying this can be subjective.
	So this could be up to what does modest mean?
	My version of modesty, your version of modesty are going to be two different things.
	That argument would work, I think, in this case, except for the fact that we have such very clear descriptors.
	So in this case, we just have very clear descriptors inside of these religions what modesty is and what the ethical foundations for that are and why it's done.
	But what about translated texts?
	Because the Bible wasn't written in English.
	The Bible is one of the most hyper-specifically translated texts in human history.
	It's been gone over by every scholar on planet Earth multiple times.
	We know exactly what it says, why it says it.
	We know going all the way back to the original Council of Nicaea and before that, exactly what the intents were because they wrote them down.
	We have thousands of religious scholars who all agree on what these texts say.
	This is not, there isn't any other text on planet Earth which has been more well studied and researched than biblical texts.
	Nothing.
	Well, it is well studied and it is researched, but there's still plenty of people who have conflicting opinions about it.
	Well, here's the thing: there's a reason for this.
	You are correct.
	There is a reason why there are conflicting opinions, but this comes from the Protestant Reformation.
	And once you get into personal exegesis, you can make a biblical text say whatever you want, essentially.
	But if you're talking about an actual standardized Christian church like Orthodoxy or Catholicism, no, these are what you're talking about are called innovations, and they stay away from innovations for a reason.
	Innovations are against the religious text.
	But these men that typically say that they want a modest woman and that they can't help themselves but assault a woman if she is dressed provocatively.
	I think that's a very bad straw man of the position.
	I don't think anybody said that.
	Nobody said that.
	Well, I'm not saying he said that, but I'm saying that.
	But why would I respond to a position nobody has, though?
	You see what I'm saying?
	Can I interject?
	Oh, go ahead.
	Thank you.
	Well, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Finish our exchange real quick.
	We're almost there.
	Okay.
	All I was saying is that if we're talking about those men, it also says in those texts that you shouldn't mix different textiles.
	It says that there's so many different rules, but we're only following some of them.
	These clarifications are made via Pentecost, the new covenant.
	There's descriptors for exactly why these rules are in place and not in place.
	And these have been endlessly gone over 2,000 years of debate within the church.
	Multiple councils which have ruled on them.
	This is definitely not up for interpretation as to whether or not you can mix cloths.
	I mean, that's been done away with since time for God.
	Yes, but if we're talking about clothes that should be worn that have been said that this is how a woman should dress, this is how a man should dress, and all of these different rules that we have, and more religious men are kind of saying, well, I'm not going to treat her well or whatever it is because of how she's dressed, or maybe that's provocative to me.
	What are they dressed like?
	How are they living their life by that same religious text?
	Is it hypocritical or are they living exactly how it says?
	Well, yeah, I think that they're not supposed to dress promiscuously either.
	Men aren't.
	But when you're talking about male dress codes, I mean, for the most part, to be perfectly honest and frank with you, only in the Western world do you see this phenomenon at all for the most part.
	And it has to do a lot with women's liberation.
	But men very much don't really dress provocatively.
	I mean, they mostly walk around completely covered head to toe.
	Most men do this.
	The men in that room are dressed covered head to toe.
	All of them, right?
	I am too.
	And I'm comfortable in my own basement and I'm still covered head to toe.
	And one of the reasons for that is it's a matter of respect, right?
	So men also show each other respect this way.
	And also, if you want to see what a respectable man looks like, generally speaking, they're not out with their flip-flops on, looking, you know, looking terrible, this type of thing.
	That's not something which we respect very much.
	So ultimately, I think that that's really not a great point.
	If you're looking at men and saying, well, what about the standard for men's dress?
	I just don't see this sea of men dressing provocatively anywhere.
	Yeah, and I want to say this.
	First of all, I didn't bring up religion to validate me.
	That's why I said biology and science, because people love to hide behind feelings, theory, and religion, but let's just deal with reality.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because we can get lost in these interpretations, even though, like Homie said, it's very clear what religion says, but let's just put that to the side.
	We have to stop speaking from these privileged positions because everybody doesn't have the life you have that can insulate you from these weird people.
	You may have that life where you have a career where you have a man where you can do what you want to do and you don't have to deal with the ramifications of what you may or may not wear.
	But every woman in the world doesn't have that privilege.
	So there's women that are following the Kim Kardashians and are following this and they're in poverty or they're in a neighborhood where it's not protected or they don't have a man in their life and they think they can just well, we heard what she said and they go outside and get their head knocked off because they just want to prove a point.
	So I feel like we need to really push responsible messages that are more addressing the average person because we often talk from these places that everybody's not at.
	Like when women talk about men and women talk about this high-value man and all that, the average person in America is making $45,000, $50,000.
	So to keep talking about these small sectors of people and to try to understand the masses, it's just not saying you are, but it's just an ignorant perspective because we get so emotional in these conversations, we feel like we're being attacked.
	And it's not that.
	We're just making, we're trying to create conversations that most people can thrive from.
	And I think it's just positive to tell most women, protect yourself because you may not have the father figure.
	You may not have the income where you can pay for this or pay for that to insulate yourself from these weird people.
	So the only thing you really have is yourself and how you carry yourself.
	And if you do meet somebody who's happened to go against that and do something, you'll be more protected because they'll be like, hey, why are you doing this to this nice young lady who doesn't bother anybody who doesn't dress crazy?
	But if you're out here on your own talking crazy and dressing crazy, who's going to believe you?
	So I feel like we need to push a message that's more encompassing to the average man and woman.
	I will say that as a woman, that you shouldn't go outside necessarily dress provocatively, especially if it's late at night or maybe you're in a bad part of town or something like that, right?
	Because there is a possibility that something could happen.
	But I will also say that as a man, you shouldn't go out and see a woman and think like, oh, I have the right to cat call her, or oh, I have the right to say something to her.
	Oh, I have the right to touch her now because she's wearing a short dress.
	I think everybody here agrees with you.
	So, I mean, if somebody commits.
	I mean, I would have to disagree about that.
	Well, let me, okay.
	So, I mean, if somebody commits a sexual assault, the only person to blame is the person who commits the sexual assault.
	I don't think victims are to blame for their own sexual assault, but I also do think that if you are putting yourself in a risky situation, then you have put yourself in a risky situation.
	Sure, I just don't think it's right to say that's their nature.
	You know, I think that the standard is different.
	So, the thing is, like, I agree with you in the context that absolutely men shouldn't engage in any sort of bad behavior like this.
	However, I think there's a double standard applied.
	I think that it's very common to see women doing unwanted touching to men constantly, which is not considered essay whatsoever, and it really should be.
	Like, it's very common to see a man sitting on a couch, for instance, at a party, a random woman goes by, perhaps puts her hands on his shoulders, maybe rubs him a little bit, walks on, or or kind of puts her hands on his back and kind of rubs his back, things like this.
	Sure, and you would never say that's in your nature.
	But if we were to switch the roles, right, and a woman and a man were to do that to a woman, you'd be like, wait a second, it's totally inappropriate, this type of touching.
	So, I think that the standards, I think that until the standards are not adhered to as being equal across the board, I don't see how you could make the claim that men are the ones out here acting inappropriately.
	It just seems like that when it comes to touching or things like this, women kind of get a pass and men don't.
	I do have to move things on here.
	I want to, we're going to do a react, but before we do that, going to you, so you have BPD.
	Yeah, borderline personality disorder.
	Borderline personality disorder.
	Oh, no.
	So, in your Instagram, you describe yourself as mentally illest.
	Yeah.
	And you're illosophical.
	So, maybe, I don't know, there's something collaboration there's on the couple questions for the BPD.
	How does BPD manifest itself for you?
	Well, it's described as the instability of moods, behaviors, and relationships.
	So, like, that really just can flood into every area of your life, really.
	And it did for mine.
	So, it's played a part, a huge part in our relationships, if not the biggest part in our relationships.
	Emotional stability just growing up just played the biggest part.
	Like, I just could never, I was the one crying in the classroom all the time.
	I don't know.
	I would say it's probably like if you ask me a question, it's affected my life.
	Like, it just has.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	But so, what I guess, what are, I know for some people, it can manifest differently.
	It can be more extreme.
	It can be more mild.
	How does what I guess what are some of the symptoms for you?
	So like fear of abandonment is one.
	Like I haven't dated in two years and I feel like maybe if I'm being 100% honest and real, it might be because I'm scared to be abandoned.
	I don't want to go through that again.
	So I just don't do it at all.
	So now I don't have as many relationships.
	Have you wait?
	You were just on a date though?
	I was.
	I'm trying my best.
	Wait, question, though.
	Like, when you say dating, do you mean long-term relationships?
	Like, the three-year one?
	Yeah, that was long-term.
	We moved in together.
	I mean, have you been celibate for two years?
	No.
	So, I mean, but you're like seeing men.
	You're engaging in romantic or sexual relationships.
	I wouldn't say I was seeing men.
	There's two men after.
	One is I've already done that way before my ex-boyfriend, like way, way before.
	So just reconnected.
	I was really alone, went with him.
	And then now new said guy.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then, so you said you're the fear of abandonment.
	What else?
	How does it, what are the other symptoms, I guess?
	I guess like paranoia.
	Like I could just make up my own thoughts and then I'll get in my head and convince myself that it's real.
	And then I'm like, everyone's leaving me.
	Everyone hates me.
	A family member just passed away.
	Like I can convince myself that like things are happening.
	They're not actually happening.
	But once I calm down, I'm like, what was that about?
	So two questions.
	I guess there's going to be, when it comes to BPD, there's going to be what's going on with you internally.
	Yeah.
	And then when it comes to relationships and dating, there's going to be, you know, there's going to be the outward manifestations of that.
	So if somebody is dating you, what can they sort of expect in terms of already granting everything that's going on internally, but there's going to be outward manifestations.
	What does that look like?
	So texting them and like freaking the fuck out or how does it look?
	So dating with BPD, and honestly, and most people with BPD will say this, not to assume that everyone would, but it's very, very common.
	Relationships are the biggest trigger.
	So I could go so long without having any triggers, no like emotional stuff.
	As soon as I get in a relationship, I then start to like, are they doing this when I'm not there?
	Are they doing that?
	So then I'll start texting them, freaking out, could do that.
	There's times that you can literally convince yourself that they're talking to someone else.
	They're not, and you will treat them as if they are.
	There's been times like, not to be too real, I've like even gotten so mad I've jumped out of a moving car before.
	So it's like it could get there.
	But it also can be triggered.
	And I will stand on that.
	Like your environment is everything.
	If you're around the wrong people, it will trigger you and put yourself in the worst position ever.
	Of course, take accountability for my own actions, put myself in this situation.
	But I will say if it's real, real bad, it's usually really, really triggered.
	And they're trying to poke the bear like they are.
	Okay.
	And then you said you were a serial dater in the past.
	Yes.
	So like before my three-year relationship, I was bouncing from relationship to relationship to relationship.
	And if it wasn't a relationship, I was at least talking to someone, kind of dating, but just without the label.
	But yeah, pretty much since I was like 12, I've never been out of a relationship until like 22, 21.
	Okay.
	We'll maybe come back to some of that.
	Anybody else here have a diagnosis they want to reveal?
	I'm the only crazy one.
	What you got?
	I'm just not the most patient person.
	I think whatever the diagnosis that is, I'm just, I think I need to work on my patients.
	Like the smallest little thing, I'm out of there.
	I think a lot of people deal with that too.
	I think just the times we get.
	Anybody, anxiety?
	100%.
	Anxiety, but I also don't believe in mental illness.
	I have a movement disorder.
	A movement?
	Yeah.
	What's it like?
	Like yoursbastic?
	Yeah, like a Parkinsonianism.
	Oh.
	It's called Dystonia.
	What's never?
	What is that?
	I've actually heard of this.
	Yeah.
	Like T-Rex arms.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like in the bedroom or?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay.
	No, it was from a medication I was given, and I had a horrible reaction from it.
	And I almost died, and I was in a wheelchair for years.
	Bedbound.
	Yeah, for six months.
	That's not a mental illness.
	No, but it is a movement disorder that's a neurological disorder, but your psychological well-being affects how it manifests.
	If I'm stressed, if I'm sad, if I'm depressed, if I'm anxious, if I'm not sure, Howdall.
	What was it?
	That's most neurological diseases, though, right?
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	100%.
	What was it for?
	I was misdiagnosed with Tourette's as a kid.
	Oh.
	Wow.
	And then they gave you a medication and then they gave you Tourette's.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Literally.
	Just a different form.
	Damn.
	The Jews fucked up.
	Oh, did you?
	Yes.
	There was a lawsuit or something?
	There was.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	We have a super chat here.
	Greta Thanos.
	Thank you.
	Dude, looked at Andrew and said, homie said, we have reached peak irony, folks.
	Wait, what?
	I think we're all confusion.
	Thank you, Greta, for the super chat.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	We're going to, before we do the react, I'm going to have you pull up the Twitch, then we're going to do the Reddit reaction.
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	And then what else did we have to do?
	I'm trying to remember here.
	What was it?
	Oh, the Reddit thing.
	Yeah, let's pull up the Reddit reaction thing.
	Also, guys, like the video.
	Like the video if you're enjoying the stream so far.
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	So like the video if you guys are liking the stream.
	Make it a little bigger for us.
	Who's got a good reading voice?
	I do.
	Who's got a good?
	What about you?
	You got a good reading voice?
	No, I would not.
	I would not.
	Make it bigger for us.
	Y'all awesome.
	Make it bigger.
	Yeah, that's good.
	I do, but I'm blind, so I can do it.
	All right, you do it.
	Go ahead.
	So read the title.
	Here, I'll do it.
	My 27.
	There, go ahead, go ahead.
	My 27 male girlfriend, 22 female.
	No.
	My, as in him.
	As in him, yes.
	Okay, he's 27 male.
	His girlfriend, 22 female of a year, slept with another guy while we were taking it slow.
	Oh, fuck.
	Did not mean that.
	And then, let's see, read after it's his original post.
	Read, I have been with this girl.
	I have been with this girl called Jess for close to a year now.
	Since specifics matter here, we started dating around last Thanksgiving, but it was only about a month later when we said we were in an official relationship.
	I really liked this girl from the get-go, and we've gotten really close since then, and we were actually planning on moving together soon.
	Here's a problem.
	Recently, Jess and I ran into a guy at a small get-together with mutual friends.
	They exchanged a weird look like there was something between them, but I didn't think too much of it at the time.
	During the party, something came up about the place Jess went to for a date.
	The time was clear since it was a Christmas market in my town.
	And again, I thought something was off about the guy.
	Well, later that night, I actually get a text from him.
	He got my number from one of the mutual friends, but said, Hey, I don't know you, but I thought you should know that Jess and I hooked up right after Christmas.
	I confronted Jess about it, and I could tell she tensed up right away.
	She got this sad look on her face, but confessed right away.
	She said she had met this guy on Tinder and hooked up a couple of times, but stopped any contact before we became official.
	She said she wasn't sure we would get into a relationship at that time, but she still felt bad that I found out this way.
	She said she considered telling me, but was afraid it would ruin things between us.
	I told her I needed some time to think and proceeded to get drunk that night and ignored her texts.
	The thing is, I feel very betrayed, and I am really considering ending things.
	Sure, we weren't official when this happened, but we had already been on multiple dates at that time, and I thought it was pretty clear that we were moving towards a full-fledged relationship.
	On my side, I had no interest in pursuing other girls at that point because I only wanted to be with Jess.
	And on her end, she was definitely hitting at us evolving into a couple and strongly hinting at exclusivity.
	The other part that kills me is that during this stage, Jess specifically said she wanted to take things slow physically until we knew each other better.
	But during the same time, she hooks up with a guy she barely knew from Tinder.
	When I asked her this, she said it's different because she took it slow with me specifically because she thought we would get into a relationship, but it was somehow different with a casual hookup.
	That logic makes zero sense to me.
	I don't really want to talk about it with my friends because I think they would hate Jess if they end up staying together.
	But I would like to hear opinions on here.
	Would you stay in a relationship like this if things were going well, but the beginning was so shady?
	And then read the too long didn't read just for a recap.
	My girlfriend met up and hooked up with a guy while we were dating, but not official while she was taking it slow with me.
	Okay, so let's have the panel's reaction there.
	Do you think valid?
	Do you think, hey, you know, look, they weren't official.
	She can do whatever she wants.
	Your position, starting with you.
	I honestly think the whole thing's invalid.
	I don't even think he should be even thinking about anything.
	If a relationship starts off that way, it's always going to be that way.
	So I don't even think he should have made the Reddit post.
	He should have just not even pursued her or talk about her or think about her.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And it thinks right away.
	Okay.
	Your thoughts.
	I think that both feelings are.
	I think both feelings are very valid.
	That being said, it really comes down to: do you see your life without this person?
	And if not, then, you know, then you should be with them.
	And if, like, if you can't live without them, but if you can and you can't get past this, then of course you should break up with me.
	Wait, both feelings valid.
	Both feelings.
	How were her feelings valid?
	Because we only know it from his perspective.
	We don't know.
	We just, yeah, so we have to just take it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	At his word, exactly.
	So we don't know exactly what she was feeling and maybe why she didn't want to initially have sex with him versus having sex with this other guy.
	We don't know what the relationship between them are.
	So from just a solid outside perspective, I don't think any of that really matters.
	It matters how you feel about the person now.
	Like, did that taint it for you to the point that you can't be with her?
	And if the answer is yes, you shouldn't be with her.
	I have to disagree.
	Only because if you like someone, you're not going to go sleep with someone else.
	Like, you just aren't.
	Like, you know, and like, not to say, like, but how would you feel?
	And I'm not saying that they ever did.
	I'd never want to paint you like that.
	But like, if your boyfriend, when you first started talking, if he were to sleep with another woman, wouldn't you look at him differently?
	No, because I think I already knew when we got together, like when we first met, that he had had a very, like, he had had way more sexual partners than I ever did.
	And it never really, I mean, like, maybe I felt a little insecure about it, but I feel like I just cared about him more than I cared about his past.
	Well, sexual partners is fine, but if we're sitting here dating and talking and you go to sleep with someone, like, we're not dating.
	Like, we're not dating.
	You're dating other people.
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I mean, I...
	I don't understand how the other side's valid, honestly.
	Like, that's what I'm trying to figure out: how you figured out that the woman's side is valid here.
	Like, clearly, you're dating a man, and she says, I could see this being exclusive, and so does he.
	That's what they're both moving towards.
	And then she's sleeping with another guy.
	That's an action that is contradictory to what it is that she's actually saying and doing.
	She just straight up lied, low-key.
	I would say the same thing if the roles was switched.
	Until you say that you're official, you know, anything can happen.
	You can't necessarily, like, I'm not saying I would, but you can't be surprised, I guess.
	Before we get to that.
	Yeah, but I mean, humans should have expectations, right?
	Before we weigh in, I would like to get everybody's.
	Sure.
	I think communication is super important in any relationship.
	I think the fact that they didn't talk about, you know, whether they were exclusive or not makes, in a way, her point a little valid.
	I mean, we don't know what happened on her side because she didn't write in.
	But in my opinion, I think that, you know, I don't think that she is to blame.
	And I would say that if it was reversed as well.
	But I do feel like the guy who wrote in his opinions are super valid.
	And if it's something that he thinks hinders the relationship or now he can't look at her a certain way, you know, then end things.
	But you need to talk about that before.
	But didn't they say that they were taking things slow?
	So therefore, didn't they talk about it?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, not that they're exclusive, but if you look at someone and say, hey, do you want to take things slow?
	I'm going to assume that we're taking things slow.
	You're not sleeping with other people, you know?
	Right.
	But the key word there is assume.
	They didn't say that they were exclusive.
	So I didn't see the assume part.
	My bad.
	That's stommy.
	Well, and just to recap, she did say he does say, sure, we weren't official when this happened, but we had already been on multiple dates at that time.
	And he says he thought it was pretty clear that we were moving towards a fully-fledged relationship.
	I think I learned the hard way.
	You can't just think or assume something in a relationship.
	He did all that.
	He did also write.
	And on her end, she was definitely hinting at us evolving into a couple and strongly hinting at exclusivity.
	Mind you, they were dating for a year.
	He doesn't really give much of a timeline.
	But the inference here is the problem.
	There's an inference here.
	We're moving towards exclusivity.
	And that inference must actually be there because her claim to him, she tensed up, she got upset, was, okay, well, hang on, wait a second.
	Okay, yes, it's technically we weren't exclusive, but obviously you had this expectation because I was giving you this expectation.
	Otherwise, she wouldn't be upset about it, right?
	What would she be upset about?
	She's upset because she was inferring that they were going to be exclusive.
	Let's get everybody's reaction here.
	Go ahead.
	About if her side is valid or not.
	Sure.
	I kind of agree with you.
	If there wasn't explicit communication of what those boundaries and expectations from the relationship was at the time of these actions occurring, I think it gets confusing.
	I can genuinely see both sides because it seems like there's some dishonesty on one side or the other.
	Truth is usually somewhere in the middle of where there was alluding to there being, I'm not seeing anybody else.
	It could have also been like a trauma response or, but, you know, I don't know.
	I'm just trying to play.
	I know, right?
	Fuck everything.
	Okay, so, I mean, we can have a debate over, you know, this component of were they exclusive or not?
	I think it's up to him.
	No, but the issue is, if she had also been sleeping with him, it gives you a bit more leeway.
	But I think the bigger issue here is that she fucked this other dude.
	Yeah.
	But she told him, oh, I want to take it slow because I'm a good girl.
	Yeah, no, that's fucked.
	Yeah.
	That side.
	Yeah, that's why I'm like, I don't, I think they communicated.
	She said, I'm taking things slow, and she went and screamed.
	Yeah, she lied, basically.
	But your reaction.
	Yeah, because I was going to ask, I guess, why wasn't he jumping to date her?
	But I guess it's because she said she wanted to take it slow.
	He didn't really say that he wanted to take it slow.
	Well, I think take it slow physically.
	Okay.
	So yeah, I can see how, you know, where he's coming from.
	I can see that.
	Okay.
	Your reaction?
	I feel like just because, you know, she said she wanted to take it slow with him, she could really like him and just want to take things slow.
	And with the other guy, it didn't mean anything.
	So, and we were not exclusive.
	We didn't have that conversation saying, okay, we're exclusive.
	We're not going to date anyone.
	We didn't have that.
	It's a very gray area.
	So I kind of agree with her side because nothing is solidified here.
	Everything is like kind of up in the air.
	Not, I mean, it's not, though.
	It's not.
	This is like, I see this all the time on these panels, right?
	It literally just seems like it's excusing bad behavior.
	Clearly, clearly from this guy's angle, he was moving towards this and she was moving towards this.
	And they both seem to agree.
	Otherwise, she wouldn't get upset.
	That's one.
	And seemingly the only way that you guys are able to, quote, validate this woman who's in the picture here is to essentially say, well, I disbelieve his story and there's another side.
	But it's like, just take the story at face value.
	Let's assume for a second it's true, that everything he's saying is true.
	Well, then how do you validate that?
	Well, they, again, they never agreed to be exclusive.
	That, I mean, yeah, but so even, look, even granting, let's say it's not even considered.
	Yeah, but he didn't agree that he would stay in a relationship with a girl who was humped.
	Like, for instance, let me just give you this scenario, right?
	If she had told him at the time, oh, and by the way, I just humped my Tinder date, don't you think that would have remarkably changed the situation of their dynamic if she had actually been upfront with that?
	Oh, by the way, guy that I'm dating, I also happen to be banging a guy I met on Tinder.
	Don't you think that would completely change the dynamic?
	I think so, but I feel like you can't really hold someone up to that standard if you feel like you can't, if you're not dating.
	You don't have to, like, I could go on a date or be dating someone talking to them, right?
	And I can see things going, but I don't have to tell you that I just slept with somebody yesterday or last week.
	I mean, we're not, we never established that.
	How's that not?
	That's totally despicable because it puts you at Thursday under false pretense.
	It's like, that's completely despicable behavior to be like, oh, and I'm also banging this guy.
	I'm just not going to tell you.
	It's totally just despicable to do.
	Like, who would ever want that done to him?
	Would you ever want to date a guy who you were really into?
	And then he was like, oh, yeah, you know, and by the way, you found out, you know, four weeks in that he was banging some other chick.
	Like, who would ever want that?
	I don't know if it's just me, but when I date, I just assume that the other person is also dating and possibly sleeping with other people.
	I might not be, but I just assume until we have a conversation.
	And I think what she did is not right by not telling him.
	But in my opinion, I think that also what she did wasn't wrong.
	She didn't have to tell him because they didn't discuss it.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, here's the thing, though.
	Like with men.
	Guys do this all the time.
	Oh, go ahead, Andrew.
	You're good.
	Yeah, well, I don't think that men generally are assuming that if they're going on multiple dates with a woman, she's dating anybody else.
	I think that that's usually generally a fair assumption to make.
	I don't see why it wouldn't be.
	And if you think it would change the way that the person would look at you, right, if you told them you were sleeping with somebody else, then at that point, I think you actually have an obligation to do so because in this false pretenses.
	So if you think if I told this person I'm sleeping with somebody else, and if they had that information, they would no longer want to date me or be with me.
	So I'm going to purposely withhold that information.
	Yes, that's totally despicable.
	That's completely despicable because it's just self-serving, right?
	Your reaction, and then we'll have some back and forth here.
	My reaction is that I think it should have been clearly established in the beginning.
	And I think that's where, you know.
	What should have?
	That if they're sleeping with people or not, if they both were looking to be in a relationship or just establish if they wanted to be in a relationship, I feel like that's just like a valid known thing that people should know in a relationship.
	I got to ask this.
	Whether you're sleeping with somebody or not in a relationship.
	Let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
	Okay.
	If you had genital warts and the other person didn't know, but they didn't ask you and you were going to sleep with them, are you obligated to disclose that to them?
	No, this is where I think the modern society is a little soft.
	I think that this stuff should just be easily communicated.
	Like whether you're sleeping with somebody or not, like personally, I don't want no one else sleeping with somebody else if I'm in a relationship.
	It's like that doesn't answer.
	So I'm going to make that clear that I'm not sleeping with somebody.
	I'm not going to ask you to my question.
	Yeah.
	If you had genital warts, okay, and you and the person you were on a date with never discussed the STDs and he wanted to sleep with you, right?
	Are you obligated to tell him that?
	Yeah.
	And isn't the reason you're obligated to tell him that so that he can make an informed decision about whether or not he wants to take that risk?
	Yeah, so the inference here then is that this person would make a different decision had they had the pertinent information that you are withholding.
	And so if you consider that to be a moral conundrum, I don't see how you wouldn't consider this a moral conundrum.
	They both seem like a moral conundrum to me, same way.
	Withholding information purposely to be self-serving, in the one case you say that's wrong, in the other case you say it's fine.
	That seems absurd to me.
	Well, did he say that if she had told him that he would have left?
	Does it say that like in the post?
	She was concerned.
	The idea that he's alluding to here is that had he had the requisite knowledge, he would have ceased and desisted the dating with her.
	That's the entire inference of the post.
	What makes it wrong is that he didn't know, in other words, right?
	I think he should have just asked straight up.
	I think it's just like a common thing people should kind of know about each other if you're dating somebody, whether you're sleeping with somebody or not.
	Like, I feel like it's just like a common thing that people should know about each other, even in the beginning or not.
	Rather, like if you see a long-term relationship with someone, like I'm not going to be sleeping with somebody else.
	And I feel like that should be established if you both are looking for long-term things, you know?
	Yeah, I think it should be established in the beginning that I would agree to this.
	I think it should be established in the beginning whether or not you want to have an open relationship and continue to date.
	You say, okay, I'm going to continue to date other people.
	You date other people.
	That's fine.
	But if it's not discussed, right, but you're acting in such a way as though it seems that this is moving towards something, then I think that as human beings, we can generally figure out what an inference is.
	What's being implied here?
	What's being inferred here in the same way that you would say, I'm not going to hide an STD because I feel like, well, that could definitely do some damage to your life by not disclosing that to you and be self-serving.
	This also does the same thing.
	It's very damaging to a person's life by not disclosing it.
	So, from my perspective, it seems that the woman should be not only completely invalidated here, but it was very sneaky, underhanded behavior.
	Yeah, if it was the other way around, I would completely not agree with it.
	So, I think if guys were doing what this girl was doing to us, I think we would honestly act more out on it than what that guy was doing, was just posting on Reddit or whatever the heck that was.
	That's just my personal opinion.
	Okay, you had something going?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Just to be clear, so he was dating this woman for a year.
	I just want to be so they were dating for a year, and I'm going to just have said something.
	All right, but so in my opinion, the guy just seems a little green to me.
	That's just what I'm thinking.
	Because if I'm talking to a woman in the first beginning, I'm not, I'm assuming she's doing what she wants to do until we make it official.
	You're not mine until you're mine.
	So, I'm not assuming anything.
	If I meet a woman in the modern time, especially if she's attractive and it's early, and we haven't established nothing, she might still be lingering with somebody else.
	It still might be some cobwebs we're trying to clean out.
	So, I'm not even assuming that.
	And if I'm dealing with a woman for a year's time and we haven't done anything and you're accepting that and you think that's normal, you're just you don't know women enough.
	I think we have what we want women to be and what they are.
	And I think a lot of men.
	What you're doing is promoting terrorism.
	I'm not promoting anything.
	You gotta let me finish, though.
	I'm not promoting anything because I don't believe in it.
	I deal with reality.
	I don't agree with a lot of stuff in reality.
	I don't think certain things should be a crime, but that don't mean I'm gonna do it just to prove a point.
	It is what it is.
	So, if I'm dealing with a woman for a year's time and she's making me wait for her body, I don't care what she says, I don't think she likes me.
	So, based on that post.
	I think they did, just to clarify, it's not clear from the post.
	I'm assuming they did have sex.
	I don't think he discloses it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	He said they was, but you said she was waiting.
	She said they were taking it slow physically.
	That's what that's.
	I don't think he discloses, but yeah, so maybe they waited a month, two months, three months, something like that.
	I think they did have sex, just as a point of clarification.
	Okay, but he waited, and then she fucked a dude on Tinder probably immediately.
	Okay, so this was that's what I'm saying.
	I'm not clear.
	I'm not clear if they had, it's not clear if he has sex with her not based on the post.
	It seemed like he was waiting to have three months.
	He waited three months, the other dude hit it first night.
	And hey, then he needs to leave her alone.
	But the fact that he made that post shows that he needs someone to convince her, to convince him to leave her alone.
	He still wants to deal with her.
	And if he still wants to deal with her, then he's a clown.
	Because if you got to go online and ask people, hey, should I leave her alone or not?
	That means you still like her and you're waiting for someone to tell you it's okay to stay with her.
	And men like that don't know women enough and they just game goofy, period.
	Well, hang on, hang on.
	Like, it's saying that because you're with a girl for a straight year, right, and the relationship is going really well, and suddenly you learn very pertinent information to this relationship that you now have to deal with.
	And so you look outside external for guidance because you don't know exactly how to deal with a situation you've never been in.
	I don't think that's a knock on the guy either.
	I think it's him just going, hey, wait a second.
	This is something I haven't experienced before.
	And most men probably haven't been in the situation where they have a long-term relationship or they find that pertinent information out a year or two in.
	I don't think I'd beat him up about it.
	I think, though, that she should probably, if he wanted to avoid this situation, I would think that the moral odd here would be the disclosure, just like it would be with the STD and then the situation's avoided.
	But he knows now, and he's still looking for convincing.
	So what I'm saying is most men who have experience with women, when it doesn't go their way, most masculine, dominant men, they're not going to wait around and figure out if she's with me or not.
	Once she shows you she's not on your team, you move on, you keep it pushing.
	You don't go online and post to random people and say, hey, do you think I should take her back?
	And I'm not knocking him.
	He's not a bad guy.
	He's just very green when it comes to women.
	What advice would you have given him?
	Would you give him a chance?
	Leave.
	Literally leave it.
	Leave.
	That's the advice.
	She's not the one for you.
	She's not the girl.
	She's not the girl for you.
	You was a good dude.
	And you're too good for her.
	Keep it pushing.
	There's plenty of fish in the middle of the middle.
	I agree with you, right?
	The advice is leave.
	Perfect.
	So a guy like that doesn't have the requisite experience, looking for guidance from a male, comes to you, asks you, you say leave.
	Why would you knock him for that?
	I'm not knocking him.
	I mean, it's semantic at this point.
	What I'm saying is that's not the right approach for this situation, my brother.
	Don't take your grievances to strangers.
	Suck it up and do something with your time.
	Take that energy that's frustrating with her and go do some push-ups.
	Go vent to your boys.
	Go get a drink.
	Go play Madden.
	Something.
	Don't take it to the internet and think that, oh, because he still wants her.
	He's looking for validation to stay.
	He's not looking for a solution.
	He's looking for a reason why he should ignore her folly, which lets me know he's not experienced with women.
	He's very green.
	Maybe he's also having resentment that she met that guy on the internet.
	And so now he's going to interfere.
	Well, I think there's a bit more context in the post.
	We're going to pull it back up.
	Maybe there's some explanation as to why he went to the internet.
	I think if I saw his girlfriend was trying to like cope and gaslight him a little bit.
	So let's pull it back up.
	I'll have you read the rest of it.
	Scroll down, please.
	Hide the overlay.
	Scroll down.
	I'm going to have you read where it starts.
	Relevant comments.
	Scroll.
	Scroll down.
	Okay.
	All right.
	In my opinion, if you're dating someone and moving towards a serious relationship, you don't freaking bang other people.
	This would be a deal breaker for me, but you do you, man.
	If you can't get past it, then end it.
	Well, clarification here.
	That's from like a commenter from the original Reddit thread.
	OOP, I believe that's just original poster.
	So this is a response.
	This is the actual guy who with the girlfriend issue.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, that's how I feel as well.
	It would have been one thing if she was just talking to other guys in the early stages while we were defining things.
	Of course, that's fine and normal, but it feels like a slap in the fact that she, face, he meant face, that she found another guy to sleep with after we had already gone on quite a few dates and I made it clear I thought we were moving towards a serious relationship, which she seemed to also acknowledge.
	There is no way she didn't know I would feel hurt that she did that.
	Scroll down a bit.
	Here, we'll scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	Okay, read that one.
	Yeah, her logic made no sense to me.
	She tried to explain that with guys, she wants to be in a relationship.
	She wants it to feel special and wants it to build an emotional connection.
	But for guys she sees no future with, she sometimes can just wanted physical fun that meant nothing.
	But I just can't wrap my mind around that.
	It feels like a gut punch that as we were getting closer and building a connection, she didn't want to be intimate with me, but instead preferred to find someone else.
	No matter how she rationalizes it, it's hard not to feel like a second choice.
	And then there was an update 23 days later.
	Read the update, please.
	As the title says, I decided to break up with Jess.
	I kept going back and forth because I was worried I was throwing away a great thing over something that happened in the past.
	But the problem is I thought I really wouldn't be able to get past it.
	I can't help what she did was really shitty.
	Yes, I know that technically she did not cheat, but she knew that I wanted a real relationship and that we were potentially moving in that direction.
	But meanwhile, she expected me to plan and pay for interesting dates, court her, and prove that I was worthy of her while she happily hooked up with Randos who basically did nothing but show an interest in fucking.
	Fuck that.
	In a follow-up conversation, it also came up that her friends sort of guided her to act like this, that she should basically allow herself to have fun and to keep her casual options open.
	But with me to make me work for it and show that I wasn't just looking for sex, but was capable of being a committed partner.
	The whole thing just seems so manipulative and ugly.
	And these were also mutual friends who I considered to be nice girls and now my friends as well.
	Now I never want to see any of those pieces of shit ever again.
	Anyway, I know this is starting to sound a bit like a rant, LOL, but I felt pretty pissed off and basically called it quits.
	The actual breakup was actually quite unpleasant.
	No harsh words were exchanged, but just cried and we just kind of talked about some happy times.
	I guess that's the hardest part about this.
	Like, I don't think she is a bad girl, and maybe we could have had a nice future together like we did over the past few months.
	But in the end, I do think I made the right decision.
	I want to be with someone who treats me well from the get-go, not someone who manipulates me while playing games, just so she can have her cake and eat it too.
	You had something really quick, but like from what I'm seeing, the guy just knocked, he doesn't understand women like that.
	She didn't like him that much.
	She was still feeling him out and she was willing to go on dates and he was willing to acquiesce to that because he doesn't know women and he was way more into her than she was into him.
	When a woman wants to have sex with you and when she likes you, she knows right away.
	At that point, all you can do is make her could turn her off.
	But she wasn't really attracted to that guy.
	She's seen that he can be the guy that can be nice.
	But the guys that she was really attracted to was the guys that she was sleeping with.
	So he just, he's not a victim.
	He's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, we're not going to knock the guy, but he just, he just wasn't paying attention to the red flags.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, but but but where does he learn to do that?
	You have to get out.
	You got to get your feelings hurt.
	I mean, you only know how to fight until you get punched in the back.
	That's why I don't understand the argument, right?
	It's like, I get what you're saying, that the guy's a shimp, but he doesn't have a lot of experience with women, blah, Nobody's disputing that.
	And I'd give him the same advice you would.
	Leave.
	But how exactly do you, if you're conflicted and you don't have this requisite experience, which is what you're talking about, how do you get it other than to have stuff like this happen?
	Go to friends, mentors, people like this, and discuss it with them.
	And I mean, like, on these, just real quick, on these Reddit threads, things like this, many of the times I think that this is done by people so that other people can see what's going on and they can have a reference point if something similar is happening to them, right?
	So it makes sense.
	Well, the way I learned, because I didn't have nobody say, hey, don't do this, don't do this.
	I just paid attention to my environment.
	And I look at what women did in real time.
	And I knew what not to do.
	And I wasn't going to play with you.
	You never had any conflict with women.
	They often keep it in the middle of the moment.
	Of course, but I'm not taking a woman on multiple dates, spending hella bread, and she's telling me we're taking this slow.
	And like, I'm not, I never went through that.
	That's just me personally.
	But I thought you wanted a traditional woman and doesn't attract you.
	I didn't say we had to have sex, but I'm saying I'm not about to be spending money multiple, multiple times, and you're still trying to figure it out.
	Like, sometimes a date doesn't have to be money spent because once you start spending money, men's emotions get attached to their money.
	So what I'm going to do is say, hey, so I won't get mad at you.
	Let's go take a walk.
	Let's go to a museum, something that's not costing me anything.
	So I don't feel so upset when things go left.
	Men try to start investing it.
	Oh, I'm going to take her and take her there.
	She hasn't done nothing for you but show up.
	So that's on him.
	So I do want a traditional woman, but I understand we don't live in traditional time.
	So I'm not going to put myself in a traditional situation that's going to get me played.
	I'm going to play regular, do something that's cost efficient, because if she really likes me, she's going to be there.
	If you really like a dude, he don't got to take you to Root Chris.
	Now, the guy that you're not really sure about, he might have to spend some money.
	But the guy that you know you really like, he just got to show up.
	So I would put her in situations where she has to show me that she likes me naturally.
	Not because I'm paying for this or paying for that.
	Not saying we can't get something to eat.
	But you're paying for one, two, three, four, multiple dates.
	Like, you got to just be smart and realize that, hold up.
	This is not supposed to go like that.
	She still trying to figure me out.
	I just think you just got to be smarter than that and look around and see that most women know when they like a guy.
	Y'all know right away if y'all like a guy from the first conversation, if you could see yourself being with him by the second, third conversation, you could see if you could see yourself being physical with him.
	It doesn't take a long time.
	So I just think he just needs more experience.
	He probably be a younger cat, but he just needs some more experience.
	He just gotta just pop, got his cherry, pop, he'll be all right.
	Maybe I was thinking back when I used to be on dating apps, and I'm not on dating apps anymore.
	And I feel like the women I date now has changed a little bit.
	So my position on this has changed a little bit.
	But my position used to be, because I knew what happened when it came to meeting people on dating apps, kind of to your point, to your point.
	If you're meeting somebody on a dating app, you have to go in, and I'm not saying that this is how it should be, but it is how it is.
	You kind of have to go in, assuming that they're probably fucking somebody else.
	And so for this reason, I was actually like, bro, I'm not going to be a traditional guy with you if there's a chance you're fucking somebody else or dating multiple other people at the same time.
	A lot of girls do this.
	They'll like entertain other dudes while they're fucking at least one other guy, who knows what they're doing.
	It's like, I would feel kind of wrong if I was investing.
	Even if it's a $20 fucking hamburger, I ain't going to pay for a girl on a date and then, oh, do all the gentlemanly, traditional shit.
	And then you get the doggy bag to go.
	You take it over to the dude's house who you're fucking, who never paid for anything.
	You fucked him on the first date.
	And then you want me to be traditional.
	You want me to pay for a first date?
	I was always like, nah, we can go 50-50.
	My views have changed a little bit insofar as I feel like I'm dating different kinds of, like, well, I got off the dating apps, dating different kinds of women, like vetting them beforehand.
	Are you involved with any other dudes?
	I'll just straight up ask, like, are there other dudes in the picture?
	If there are, I'm not interested.
	But back then, I'm like, yeah, these girls are probably dating, maybe even fucking another dude.
	Not going to pay for the first date.
	And real quick, a lot of times if a woman really likes you and she respects your effort, she'll offer to pay for the date or do something for you.
	I'll cook.
	Just come.
	No, so it's like she didn't offer him nothing but I owe you.
	And he ate that up.
	Like, no, you're a clown.
	Yeah.
	And also, just a point on this.
	Like, in terms of if you want to get the girl, you should pay for the date.
	It's just like the most optimum move.
	Like, even if it's unfair or whatever.
	Like, you should just pay for that shit because it's just like some girls are going to be like, oh, okay.
	They're going to have an issue with it.
	So if you're, if you're actually your goal is to get the girl, like, you can do the whole like, oh, equality shit.
	But if you're trying to like min-max be most optimum when it comes to dating, you should, you should pay.
	But it's like, I like looking at it from principle, like if a girl is fucking another dude, like you should not be doing traditional shit for her.
	Like, she can get your providing and protecting when she's your girlfriend, when she's your girl.
	But if she, like, imagine you fucking died for a chick and then like she was gonna fuck another dude that night.
	Like what the fuck?
	You know?
	That's a little extreme.
	Well, it's not.
	It could be that way, though.
	You never know.
	Like, life is life.
	And it could also happen when you're exclusive, you know?
	Like, oh, like cheating.
	Yeah, and so I feel like you are what you attract.
	And if you want a traditional woman, you have to be a traditional man.
	Dating in relationships is, if we honest, it's a dice roll.
	It's all a gamble.
	All of it is a gamble, man.
	You don't know.
	So to come in with this high hopes, gee, golly whiz type of shit, like, nah, bro.
	Like, you got to be real and realistic.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And as a man, I'm sorry.
	I never jumped into a situation like I got insurance plans.
	I got friends.
	Like, I'm not just blindly just giving you everything.
	Like, no, you're going to earn this shit.
	And I'm going to put you in situations where it's not a transactional situation.
	You don't owe me nothing.
	I don't owe you nothing.
	I'm assuming you're talking to a person.
	Sometimes I kind of want you to talk to somebody because now you can compare, contrast, and say, okay, I see, you got to let, sometimes you got to let things go to see if it's really worth it.
	So if she's talking to another guy, don't be jealous.
	Assume that.
	She's not your girl.
	She's not in your bed.
	You should assume she's talking to somebody else.
	And you should too.
	You should be talking to somebody else.
	You're just talking.
	And I'm not saying you should be having sex with multiple people.
	But if, take away the intimacy part, male and female, in the beginning, I don't think there's anything wrong with literally talking to different people.
	You're gauging out who's who and what's what.
	So a man come into a situation, well, we had a date.
	She told me that we might, and I believe her, then that's what you get.
	Like, who, where are you from?
	Like, I don't know.
	It's all about where you're from and how you grew up.
	I grew up in a fast-paced environment.
	So I had to learn quick.
	Some people grow up in these rural towns and they just, you know, old McDonald had a farm ass upbringing and they try to deal with people, you know what I'm saying, in different environments.
	They think everybody's going to feel sorry for them, but the world is fast, bro.
	You got to catch on quick.
	I grew up in the New York City metropolitan area.
	I learned real early that women say one thing and do something else.
	I've seen all the pretty good girls go with the bad guys.
	So I'm not going to go and say, oh, I'm going to save her.
	No, I'm going to move accordingly.
	So some dudes just need to get out their neighborhood, move from their neighborhood, their environment, go somewhere else.
	And just, you know, get, you know, roll their soldier royal oats, get that wind beneath their wings.
	You feel me?
	Like, get out, get out your head.
	Get the wind.
	Yeah, it's going to happen.
	Like, people get played every day, B. Like, get over it.
	Like, you'll be all right.
	You're a man.
	But, Andrew, this sort of ties into some conversations.
	We've covered this topic before.
	This one's a little different, but I mean, the whole like waiting for sex thing.
	And I think this is just another example on the pile of this.
	This is the, probably every guy has some sort of story like this.
	And we hear it from the women on the show too.
	But Andrew, does this further solidify kind of at least my position on this when it comes to the whole like waiting for sex thing?
	Well, not, I mean, not really.
	Because your idea here is you want disclosure, right?
	And you want disclosure so that you can make the determination because you're saying, look, if you want to make me wait, but you just made this other guy who didn't wait not wait, then you have already established that, you know, that she's disclosed this, right?
	In this case, this guy was victimized.
	Now, he could say, well, he didn't have the requisite experience.
	But then if you also say in the next sentence, and the thing that'll save him from that in the future is getting the requisite experience, then we have to admit that he was victimized.
	There's really no way around that, right?
	So in this case, so in this case, Brian, I'm not sure how it actually helps your case because you would demand disclosure or else you wouldn't know that she wasn't willing to sleep with you, right?
	Or that she had slept with another guy so you could apply the standard.
	Well, it's more so, I guess it ties into this whole thing of you're dating a girl and she wants to wait.
	And then there doesn't have to be even be another guy in the picture, but like she previously, like she's had some one-night stands, her last boyfriend, they hooked up quickly.
	And then you come into the picture and then she's like, oh, I want to wait three months.
	I want, you know, whatever it is.
	And I'm just like, but how would you know that?
	Right.
	I mean, I would get the disclosure.
	Hopefully.
	Right.
	But that's my whole point, right?
	It's like, so that's why this doesn't actually solidify your position because had he had the disclosure, this whole thing wouldn't have happened to begin with, right?
	Oh, well, I'm not really talking anymore about that specific situation.
	It's more so just kind of the general, like the waiting, the whole waiting thing that I have a quarrel with, where like if, look, women are free.
	If, if you had sex with a hundred men, I mean I wouldn't be interested in you if you had sex with a hundred men.
	But if she previously had sex with a hundred men uh, within 30 minutes of meeting them and then I come into the picture I mean that would immediately be a disqualifier.
	But okay, just for the sake of uh, the the hypothetical.
	And then you want to make me wait six months to have sex.
	I'm like i'm i'm gonna lose interest, like i'm just not interested.
	Well yeah, I mean of course that, but but this, this has always been your position.
	Your position on this has always been pretty consistent, which is just, I would feel like I was playing second fiddle.
	If you decided that you were gonna make me wait and the last 10 guys you were with, or five guys, or four guys, or three guys, you immediately went in um, that that I mean what?
	Why would I do that?
	Right, what was so special about them that you would do that with them and then not special about me that you wouldn't do that with me?
	So I I mean, i've always understood the argument.
	Yeah, it's just a raw deal, it's a raw deal for the guy and I would just like I would.
	I would doubt the sincerity of the position.
	It just feels manipulative.
	It's like look, you're free to do what you want.
	I'm just probably gonna immediately thought that it was faking virtue with.
	The idea was to fake virtue yeah, and I mean that's always been my position yeah, and there I think one of the girls maybe said it here at the table it's like um, i'm trying to think what it was, but basically what was it?
	Oh, it's like okay, so they view like the guy who's worthy of the relationship.
	It's like oh, you're worth waiting for.
	But it's like, so you treated the guy who's most, who's deserving of the relationship, worse than the fuck boy.
	It doesn't make sense.
	Like, you're so important to me, I treated sex like it was sacred for you, but not the other 50 guys who I gave it to on the first night, who were fuckboys and were assholes.
	Yeah, but that's because I respect myself now Brian, and I didn't respect myself then right, that's because I respect myself now.
	True yeah, I think it's.
	I oh, I do think that there's a significant amount of fake virtue that comes with this and the idea is just, um uh, she's shit testing you right, shit testing you.
	Yeah, and uh, the the virtue, the virtue aspect of this is to say, well look, i'm virtuous, you're virtuous, we're all virtuous.
	Um, when perhaps that's not the case, because most of the time I hear them say this is, I want to make the right guy wait.
	Um, the right guy being a guy who I consider virtuous, so if you're not sleeping with him because he doesn't want a woman who is promiscuous, then wouldn't she just be faking this as a virtue?
	That's that.
	That then becomes the question.
	Yeah, I think guys got to realize and it's kind of tricky, but you got to understand how women speak.
	They're not going to give you the answers, they're going to speak in cold.
	Sometimes, I know it sounds weird, I know a lot of guys is so black and white and say well, she should have said it.
	She's not going to say it.
	If she likes you, she's not going to make you wait unless you're she's a virgin.
	She, unless she's a virgin, and she's telling you to wait is because she doesn't like you that much.
	She likes you enough to see that you might take care of her.
	But who she, who she likes for a relationship and versus who she's She's attract like, who she's attracted to versus who she thinks is safe for her is two different things.
	And sometimes guys are the safe guy.
	You're not who she's attracted to.
	And we be thinking, why is she attracted?
	Women are attracted to objectivity, regardless of what they say.
	And I think a lot of times men be listening to what women literally say and believe them.
	And she's not going to tell you the answer.
	She's going to reveal certain things.
	And women, y'all may not admit it, but it's true.
	Women are going to tell and say certain things that publicly feeds their image.
	But behind the scenes, they're not always going for the super duper nice guy.
	He might be a little rough around the edges.
	He might be going through something.
	They don't want this cookie cutter guy.
	So a lot of guys who come with that cookie cutter energy and get played out, they think the woman did them wrong.
	It's like, no, you too busy listening to women tell you what a man should do instead of just being a man and follow your energy.
	Don't be abusive.
	Don't be wild.
	But a woman who likes you is not going to tell you to wait.
	She don't even talk like that.
	She's only talking that like that to the guy that she knows will wait while she actually gives herself to the guy who just be his self and she likes that.
	So I think guys just need to learn about women more.
	I don't understand this position though, because it just, from my end, it just seems like you're blaming the ladies.
	The men say, the men say, well, wait, yeah, I listened to what she actually said and heard exactly what she said.
	And so, yes, of course, based on what she said, I did X thing.
	That's how human beings operate, right?
	We listen to what each other, that's what we have to go on.
	You ever had a girl say, stop doing it, but she wants you to keep it?
	Hang on, I just listened, listen back.
	Hang on.
	Okay, so I think that the idea here that there's like a special code that is easy to crack or something like this, I think that that's in many ways foolishness.
	I think ultimately that men themselves, what other barometer do they have to go off of except communication?
	They have to communicate.
	Now, like with anything, you have to utilize your intuition with communication and understand double speak.
	You get that from men sometimes too.
	But I don't really understand what else you have to go on.
	And if you say, well, you should have known better, even though she told you everything and the opposite, just sounds like you're blaming the guy for it and giving the woman a pass.
	I'm not giving her a pass because I know it's like this, man.
	You can listen to what people say.
	You can observe what they do.
	I don't listen to what people say.
	I look at what they do.
	I look at the actions of women.
	I see women say, I want a nice guy, but do they oftentimes end up with the guy that's cookie cutter and perfect?
	Most of the time, no.
	So obviously what they're telling you is not what they want.
	So as a man, it's like you got children.
	Your children, your child might say something, but you know they mean something else.
	Like, you're the man.
	You're supposed to have this sixth sense of life.
	That's why we're the leaders.
	We don't, everything a woman says is not literally what she wants.
	She's going to say things because women are trying to protect their image most often than not.
	They don't want to come off like, like I know a lot of women, and secretly I've met friends, female friends that say, you know, I really want, I want to dress like this, but I want people to look at me this way, or sometimes I want to be a little more liberated, or one day I want to try stripping.
	I don't think it's cool, but women are not going to always tell you their inclinations.
	You got to just assume and look at society and look at the world we live in.
	If she wants you, she's going to give herself to you.
	She's not going to make you wait for no six and seven or eight months.
	And if you believe that because she said that, I just don't think you're paying attention to what women actually do.
	You listen to what they say.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	It's all about where you come from.
	Where I come from, you got to read body language.
	You got to read how people move.
	If I listen to what people said all the time, I wouldn't even be here.
	So I'm looking at more than just what they're saying.
	Looking at what they're doing.
	But if women are these excellent manipulators, as you are kind of pointing out and stating, it's a manipulation tactic because they're actually doing the opposite of what they're saying.
	Why is there some assumption here then that if this is the case, that they're not going to have their actions at least in some way sync up to what it is they're telling you?
	The hundreds and hundreds of men that I talk to, for instance, they say there was no signs of problems.
	It seemed like she was acting in the exact same way she told me, right?
	She was acting the same way that she told me.
	These red flags were not always apparent, right?
	And then bam, there's a bombshell like what happened to this poor guy.
	Bam, he's hit with a bombshell.
	Everything's going good.
	Everything seems to sync up.
	Everything she's saying and doing seems to be on par, right?
	He doesn't see any of these red flags.
	And then bam, gets hit with a bombshell.
	And it's like, so if it is the case, and the one side, you say, well, they're kind of expert manipulators.
	You got to read between the line.
	And if you read between the lines, you'll know how to kind of crack this code.
	It's like, okay, but at the same time, then, why couldn't they just also, you know, sync their words with their actions and trick you that way?
	That seems to be something which happens often.
	She did it for the other guy that she liked.
	She didn't do it for him.
	Yeah, but he didn't know that.
	If you, she never did anything.
	Based on that post, it was a lot of assumptions.
	And I think I feel it seems like he was talking like a girl to me.
	That's how women talk.
	I don't hear men saying like that, talking like that.
	No offense, ladies.
	He was talking like he was in his feelings.
	He didn't sound like a man to me.
	He didn't sound masculine to me.
	Just because she agreed to eat your food that you bought does not mean she likes you because that's what she said.
	Her actions are going to show you.
	It's intuition.
	It's read between the lines.
	She didn't do nothing but just go on dates.
	It's intuition, right?
	But all she did was go on dates with him.
	And he said, I think it's going good.
	I took her out to eat three times and she came.
	She actually showed up.
	I think we're going places.
	That's what he believed.
	That's on him.
	Can I add something?
	Does that mean that his feelings are just completely invalid now?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, what I'm saying is he, you can't put yourself in situations where you're not getting anything but words.
	I understand that, but some people, like when it's happening, they can't see for what it is.
	So for you to say, like, he's dumb, he shouldn't have done that.
	I don't actually believe that because I feel like when you actually like someone, you can't see that you're getting played or you wouldn't sit there and get played.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So as much as he would have liked to seen that he was getting played, I don't think that he saw it.
	And to say that he should have been more of a man, he should have been more of a man.
	Who cares how masculine it is?
	I still think his feelings are valid.
	I think if he looks back, he's going to say, ah.
	Because a lot of times when I talk to him.
	And that's fine, but does that invalidate his entire experience?
	No, but I can't call him a victim.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I just think he was misled and I think he just was not really, he doesn't really understand the relationship dynamic today.
	And he's very, he's just very green.
	And bless his heart.
	We need good people like that.
	That's great that he's very green and he just assumed, took things at face value.
	That's cool.
	But if you deal in this modern world with these modern women, and until it's, you know, she's your woman, she's not your woman.
	If you want to keep financing dates for a woman that you haven't confirmed that's your woman, that's a gamble that you're taking, brother.
	Yeah.
	I said like 100%, but I still feel like he might not have like relationship experience before.
	I still feel like his feelings are valid because say that was his first relationship.
	He's figuring it out.
	He is 100% right in my opinion.
	Only because like you got hurt.
	Like you didn't know what was happening.
	You didn't know what you were doing.
	So to say, just be more of a man, I feel like he's learning.
	Let him learn.
	Like, you know?
	No, he's learning.
	He's going to learn to like.
	There are red flags.
	So the first word of flag is, first of all, you're dating for a year and you're just going on dates.
	Like, what are you doing?
	I mean, that's definitely like a bad thing.
	Like, like he said, I agree with him.
	Like, us women, if we know we like someone, we're typically not going to say no.
	Now, you guys may disagree, but if we're being honest.
	Yeah.
	But we're not going to be like, oh, no.
	I'm going to make you wait for seven or eight.
	Like, that's crazy.
	That's realistic.
	That is crazy.
	Like, this is, we're in 2024.
	Like, let's be real.
	That's not even realistic.
	And he, there were red flags.
	He just didn't see them for whatever the reason was, but he has to take accountability for just like we do.
	We all get in bad relationships.
	We live and we learn.
	But you got to take accountability.
	I mean, hello, but he does that.
	But it's still his story.
	And he's still, like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, I'm not saying that, like, he should have done what he done.
	And like, he should continue doing what he does.
	But what I'm saying is, like, to invalidate his feelings completely is weird.
	He allowed someone to go on a date for to date a girl for a whole year and just go on a bunch of dinner dates.
	I thought that just doesn't take away from what it is.
	And assume we're in a relationship.
	No, but it is a little strange that he didn't have to take accountability for.
	He didn't do anything wrong.
	No, he didn't do anything wrong to anybody else.
	He wronged himself.
	He played hisself.
	He disrespected himself and his time and his money.
	That doesn't seem like he's not.
	If that mattered that much, if that mattered that much to him, then that should have been established in the beginning.
	Yeah, I just kind of reject this idea that men have like some type of six sense crystal ball where they can see in the future and just know that they're lied to or this type of thing.
	It seems to me completely reasonable to have expectations of the opposite sex that they don't lie and mislead you and fuck a bunch of other dudes while you're dating them.
	That just seems, it seems like it seems totally reasonable to me to have that expectation.
	Now, I understand the argument of saying, but Andrew, in the current modern dating world, that's not reality.
	I understand that portion of it, right?
	Perhaps it's not reality.
	But that doesn't mean that I'm going to bash a guy for having those expectations because it's totally reasonable expectations to be like, well, we're not bashing based on what that, I'm sorry, y'all.
	Based on what that thread said, I didn't see anything conclusive from her side that would make me think she's mine or she's waiting for me.
	He's saying it felt like, it seemed like she didn't say you're my guy and we have a future.
	He said she's giving off feelings as if it might be.
	People lie and men do too.
	I've been in a situation where I have friends and I love, I'm all for the brothers.
	I'm all for the men.
	I'm for people, period.
	But I'm not going to just say whatever just to fit anybody's narrative.
	I got friends.
	They'll say, yo, she's tripping.
	She's doing this.
	And then you'll really be a flying wall for the situation and be like, bruh, you goofy.
	That's not, that's, that's what you're telling me she did.
	She didn't really do it like that.
	Like, men embellish two.
	And men lie to themselves too because the girl is true.
	And like, it's a Reddit thread.
	We don't know what she said.
	And the stuff that he said about her isn't conclusive.
	And it isn't enough for me to put all my eggs in one basket and focus on her.
	Nothing she did said that I should be focused on this woman.
	He assumed that.
	Nothing she said or nothing he said that she said shows me that.
	What you got on a relationship in the beginning is your intuition and the way that people are acting and the way that they're moving towards each other.
	What else do you have?
	What was her action showing up to eat?
	Well, hang on here.
	Well, maybe you thought she was traditional, like you were saying, and was waiting to not give herself away.
	Yeah, if you're under the assumption and you're being led under that assumption, you could say he was wrong.
	That's fair to say that he was wrong.
	But I don't think it's fair to say he did anything wrong or that he was out of pocket here.
	I think that it's far more reasonable to say, okay, I had a reasonable expectation that we were inside of an actual relationship moving towards that because that's all of the signs, all the signals, all the everything were demonstrating that.
	Now, what else do you have except that conversation intuition?
	What else do you have?
	Respectfully, what was the signs?
	Because if a woman, if I'm inviting a woman to eat and she shows up.
	He says it wasn't signs.
	But he didn't explain nothing.
	That's what he said.
	So we just assume he's telling the truth.
	I'm not going to do that.
	I don't assume people tell the truth.
	What I heard was He said.
	Okay.
	What I heard was: I invited her out to eat.
	She showed up and ate multiple times.
	And that I feel like we are getting somewhere.
	That's not showing me anything.
	Now, if I took her to eat and she took me to eat, then I would say, oh, maybe she's into me because sex is off the table.
	We're not intimate.
	So if we're not having sex, what is she doing to show me that I have a chance with her besides showing up to eat?
	Nothing.
	So if you are believing that and thinking because she came to eat, which most people will do, and you think because she came to eat on your dine multiple times, that that means y'all are going through a year?
	That's all on him.
	What?
	I don't know no man who will do that for a year.
	I don't know, man.
	That seems that.
	Would you do that?
	Would you do that?
	Well, I'm only taking the story at the value of the story.
	So would you do that?
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	What I'm not doing is I'm not reinventing this story.
	I'm only taking it at face value and contending with what the guy is saying.
	Now, we can add new, hang on, we can add new inventions to the story in order to make it sound this way or that way.
	I'm literally only contending with what's being said, assuming that for right now it's true because we don't have anything else to match it against.
	Okay, so okay, so we don't, but as men, what do we say?
	We push back when women say believe all women.
	So I'm not going to believe all men either.
	Based on what he said, I took out the eat for a year and she gave herself to somebody else.
	That's not what that means.
	When they say believe all women, they're talking about a specific thing, which is SA, right?
	And so that's what the point of contention is there.
	I think, genuinely speaking, I do believe most men's experience in relationships over most women, to be honest with you.
	I really do.
	I think that was his chance to take that risk factor of waiting for her, knowing or not knowing that she has done something.
	But I feel like that's more on him on that part.
	But morally, it's not right for her to do that either, in my perspective.
	But again, I just think it should have been brought up in the beginning.
	If that was that serious and that important to him, then it just should have been asked in the beginning if she was sleeping with other people or not.
	Apparently, it wasn't such a big thing to her because that's what she's doing.
	I don't know.
	Now, this, I would say, right, I have to say, is reasonable.
	It's reasonable to say, okay, in the beginning, we've established firm boundaries, this and that.
	I understand the principle behind this, and it makes total sense to me.
	But this is why I brought up the hypothetical of, for instance, if you had genital warts, would you disclose it?
	You say yes, and it's because you know that the person, if they're informed of that, is going to make a different decision because now they know the situation.
	I think it's the same thing in this instance, that there's some kind of duty or obligation here.
	If you know that this person's moving towards a relationship, but would not if you revealed that information to reveal that information to them.
	That seems totally reasonable.
	Same thing if, like, a guy was a multiple felon.
	Wouldn't you want to know that before establishing or or if they were guilty of domestic violence?
	You would want to know that, right?
	So, and the reason you would want to know those things is because that's the best way you can make an informed decision about what it is that you're doing.
	So, I think that there's a duty and obligation to do that.
	So, Andrew, let me ask you a quick question.
	Sure.
	Would you take a woman out on dates for a complete year and think that y'all going somewhere and y'all didn't do anything?
	What is this?
	We're going to take her out on the side.
	I'm going to switch to you though.
	But whether or not, whether or not I would, so to answer your question directly, right?
	Of course not.
	But the thing is, it's like, first and foremost, right, I'll make a couple things clear.
	So here's my olive branch to you.
	I don't know anything about women and I don't know shit about dating.
	I've been out of the dating market for years, right?
	I'm what you would consider to be a logician.
	That's basically what I do.
	I run everything through a fountain prism for Christian ethics and logic, right?
	I'm not saying that you don't know more about dating than me.
	All of you, I'm most certain, most certainly know more than I do.
	I'm in no position.
	I don't know what you're talking about about dating at all.
	So that's kind of my olive branch to you.
	But I can just say here that what I'm not willing to do, if I'm just looking at it from the prism of who's doing the right things, who's doing the wrong things from the moral prism, from Christian ethics, from these kind of standpoints, it seems to me that it's completely reasonable to believe a person's telling you the truth and to make inferences that if they know that you want to be exclusive and you know that that's what they're working for, even if you haven't established that boundary, that they have some obligation to tell you that or they're in the wrong.
	I think that that's totally fair.
	Now, is that reasonable or does it map onto the reality of the situation?
	No, probably not, right?
	So you're probably right there.
	Like, he should have known this, he should have known that.
	Maybe all of that's true, right?
	But I still think that I'm going to hold, if this is all true, her accountable for this and not him.
	Because I don't see what he actually did wrong.
	Okay.
	We are going to move it on.
	We are going to move it on here.
	We have a question here from Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Go ahead.
	Seven.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I don't know.
	Like, maybe an eight.
	Okay.
	Ten.
	All right.
	Solid five.
	Okay.
	Nine.
	Nine?
	Okay.
	A seven.
	All right.
	I would say a five or a six.
	What about you?
	What about?
	I say I'm a strong eight.
	Okay, I give myself a five.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Well, with so many eights, nines, and tens on the panel, I could just never be anything less than a ten myself.
	Yeah, we do have, we got the ten, and then we got the nine.
	I just want to say, I think all the ladies here are tens.
	I know.
	Everyone said so low.
	Are you less?
	Wait, question for you: Are all women tens?
	Of course.
	Yes.
	Okay, are all men tense?
	Yes.
	Oh, that's literally.
	You guys are tens too.
	Now your attitude can make you less than, but we're saying low.
	No, but it's looks.
	10.
	It's looks.
	Everyone here is a 10.
	Okay.
	But doesn't it defeat the point of the question?
	So you're saying that all people on planet Earth are of equal attractiveness?
	I would say everyone's a 10, but everyone also has their own opinion of beauty, right?
	So I might be attracted to.
	I don't think you're going to be a 10.
	Because that would include you.
	You would have an opinion about beauty as well, right?
	Yeah, but my attraction to people is different than what their actual beauty is.
	Yeah, sure.
	But by using whatever the subjective standard is that you use to determine attractiveness for yourself, right, then you could not make the determination everybody was a 10 because you find some people less attractive than others.
	I wouldn't say that I find people less attractive than others.
	I just am attracted to certain people.
	Well, then that's finding some people less attractive than others.
	It means I have a type.
	Doesn't it mean that they're less attractive?
	Yeah, so then the type that you're attracted to is more attractive to you than the type you're not attracted to, which means that you're attracted to some people, not attracted to others.
	So some people, they're not going to be able to do it.
	Let me give you a possible conclusion.
	Some people are more attractive than other people.
	Let me give you an example.
	I think most people would say that Rihanna is extremely gorgeous.
	She's a 10.
	But is she my type?
	No, but I do recognize that she is a beautiful woman, but she's not my type.
	She's okay.
	Yeah, but so you have less attractiveness towards a woman like this who you also think is pretty, right?
	Sorry, can you repeat that?
	You have less, so you're less attracted to this woman, but you also understand that she's pretty, right?
	You can use whatever metric you're using, you can still determine she's pretty.
	Yeah.
	However, that would still, whatever you're attracted to, attractiveness, right?
	If you're rating physical beauty from your subjective metric, then if you're attracted to some people, not others, then they're less physically attractive than the people you're attracted to, right?
	No, I know Rihanna is a 10.
	I know she's perfect, but she's not my type.
	What?
	Is she a 10 to you?
	Yes, she's a 10.
	I'm just not my type.
	Then why aren't you attracted to her?
	I don't know.
	The universe just made me not attracted to her.
	Sexual attraction.
	You got a physical 10, you got a mental 10.
	Sexual attraction is different than physical.
	Yeah, but we're talking about looks.
	Yeah, we're talking about physical beauty only.
	That's it.
	So who is everybody a 10?
	Physically, she's a 10.
	Yeah, what?
	Okay, so if that is the case, right, that you say the physical beauty, she's a 10, but you have no attraction whatsoever, right?
	Then what would you scale somebody that, I don't know, was like a multi-ICU burn victim, half their tongue hanging out of their mouth, right?
	They have a hunchback, you know, the whole top of their face is gone.
	There's bones sticking out.
	Are they a 10?
	They're still beautiful.
	Is Donald Trump a 10?
	Donald Trump's a 10?
	Is Donald Trump a 10?
	Is he a 10?
	Say that.
	I thought we don't get into politics.
	Oh, we do get into politics.
	Well, that's not always.
	He's an observer now.
	You can fuck Donald Trump.
	We ain't talking about his.
	Wait, question.
	You're lesbian.
	If he transitioned to a woman, would you like fuck DT?
	He is not my type.
	Oh, no, she, excuse me.
	My apologies.
	I missed her.
	She would transition.
	He would transit.
	I don't know.
	I would love to see Donald Trump as a woman.
	He could be.
	Dude, I was saying.
	So before he ended his last term, I was like, just to stick it to the libs, like just transition to a woman and just be like, I'm the first female president.
	Like, fuck you guys.
	Hell yes.
	That would have been like a massive W.
	No response.
	That would have been the funniest.
	Is who?
	Is Lizzo a 10?
	No.
	Someone.
	She said an L. Relentless fuck.
	W.
	Yeah, no.
	Wait, go ahead.
	I don't want to look at it.
	I'm sorry.
	Like, I like, no, what's wrong with you?
	Wait, are you by two?
	There's nothing wrong with Lizzo.
	Yeah, is she a 10?
	But she, in my opinion, is not a 10 out of 10 on a scale of a 10.
	Who said everybody's a 10?
	The gal next to you said everybody is beautiful and a 10.
	Is Lizzo a 10?
	She's a 10 to some people, you know, like what you're saying.
	Shit, blocking.
	And actually, I think Lizzo is gorgeous.
	Her skin's flawless, you know?
	It is.
	Everyone has 10 qualities.
	Everyone has 10 qualities.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Everyone at least has something on them that is a 10 quality, whether it's your skin.
	We talk about physical quality.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Wait, what's the 10 quality on Donald Trump?
	Go ahead.
	It has to be the hair.
	It has to be the hair.
	Is his booty?
	You like his booty, don't you?
	I don't think I've ever.
	His height is pretty good.
	Like, you want to call him?
	Let me think.
	Probably.
	He has like eyes.
	Eyes, yeah.
	He has a lot of fun.
	Yeah, oh, he has eyes.
	Oh, he's human?
	Dope.
	You don't know what I mean?
	I mean, he has nice, like, probably, like, probably, I haven't.
	You haven't even seen him.
	I don't.
	I need a photo.
	I'm not a 10 on Trump.
	Pull up the mug shot.
	Pull up the mugshot.
	Okay, we're going to pull up a photo of Trump and you're going to say, what's a 10 on him?
	Get that mugshot going.
	Okay, guys, while we're getting that pulled up, guys, like the video.
	Like the video, boys.
	Like the video.
	Also, can we pull up Stalin too?
	Pull up Stalin.
	Are we reading Stalin?
	Yeah, okay, hold on.
	Find a Wikipedia, the young Stalin.
	I'll grant you young Stalin.
	No, it should be old Stalin because after the millions of murders.
	And then also pull up.
	Can we pull up?
	Who is the Argentinian dictator?
	Fidel Castro.
	Huh?
	No.
	No.
	Wait, that's Chinese.
	No, What's his name?
	What's his name?
	Pinochet.
	Oh, that's Chile.
	Excuse me.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm obviously an expert in Latin American military history.
	Pinochet, please.
	Excuse me.
	Pull up Pinochet.
	Saddam.
	Saddam Hussein.
	Oh, God.
	Osama bin Laden.
	Oh, my God.
	Pull up Osama.
	Who?
	Nala.
	Nala?
	And then Mao.
	Mao.
	Mao.
	Mao Zedong.
	Mao Zedong.
	You working on it, Damien?
	And then also.
	There's going to be an all-communist rating tonight.
	Should we also do some more fascist people like Mussolini?
	Let's get Mussolini in there.
	And then also for the coup de coup de grace.
	What we got to do, Karl Marx, then.
	I think the coup de gras coup de grace, we also got to pull up the H-Man.
	No, no, I can't do that.
	We can't pull up H-Man?
	No.
	Yeah, don't do it.
	Really?
	No, I didn't expect to rate a dictator today.
	Okay, what do we got?
	What do we got?
	What do we got?
	Well, I mean, it's just a lot of people.
	I want all of them.
	Do you have all of them?
	Who do you got?
	Do you have it ready?
	Okay, let's go, Trump.
	Okay, go pull him up.
	Where's the mug shot?
	Oh, man.
	What do we got?
	F-11?
	Is it F-11?
	All right.
	Let's get it going.
	Oh, yeah.
	I have the worst picture.
	I want to say he has some nice eyebrows.
	What's he get 10?
	You know what?
	His hair looks really soft and it's really blonde.
	He's got the 10 in hair softness.
	Yes, his hair looks incredibly soft.
	Oh, let's not do Epstein.
	Okay, let's maybe.
	Oh, no Hitler, but Epstein's okay.
	All right.
	I think that goes against something, right?
	Probably.
	Oh, community guidelines.
	That goes against community guidelines.
	Here, do Pinochet and Stalin.
	We'll leave it there.
	Okay, you got Pinochet?
	Do you have Stalin?
	Young Stalin.
	Look at that.
	Oh, my God.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Strong.
	He has an HR.
	He has a snarly good skin.
	He has no good skin.
	He does know.
	Would you smash Pinochet?
	Who was this again?
	Pinochet.
	Would you smash?
	No.
	You wouldn't smash?
	I thought he was a 10, though.
	I wouldn't smash most people.
	Oh, okay.
	Would you smash?
	Pinochet.
	No.
	Nobody?
	Anybody?
	Like, what?
	Okay, whatever.
	You're lost.
	He said, please.
	Then Stalin.
	Young Stalin.
	Do you have Young Stalin?
	No.
	Give us a bunch.
	Young Stalin.
	Young Stalin.
	Quick Damien.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, it's doing good.
	There we go.
	Yeah, that's him.
	All right.
	Yeah, he's a handsome guy.
	He's fucking, all right?
	He has he has good hair.
	Who fucks the whole thing?
	I would say he has a nice hair.
	He's gorgeous.
	Dude, if this guy was alive today, he'd be fucking all these fucking lefty fucking lip tards.
	He'd fuck all of them.
	He'd be smacked.
	Sorry, am I being...
	That's hilarious.
	No, it's true, bro.
	He'd be fucking running.
	He's Has Von Piker.
	He'd be Hassan Piker.
	Holy shit, that's true.
	Dude, he'd be fucking half of Twitch, bro.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, all right.
	Good talk.
	Young fanboy Stalin.
	Yeah, there you go.
	All right.
	Anyways, good talk.
	Okay, going back to the whole 10 thing.
	Just pull up John Wayne Gacy real quick.
	Say John Wayne Casey.
	Do John Wayne Casey?
	I do have a question.
	Why is it so difficult for average-looking women to admit they're average?
	Amen.
	I'm.
	You know what I mean?
	No offense.
	That's horrible.
	I'm not talking about you guys.
	Obviously, all of you are tens, but all the other women out there that are average, they just.
	No, I feel average.
	The whatever podcast has the most beautiful women in the world.
	We have the most beautiful women.
	I know this.
	I know for sure that the whatever podcast has the most beautiful woman in the world because all you have to do is ask them.
	Yeah, we just ask them and they tell us.
	That's what they say, obviously.
	Because what they say.
	They're right, 100%.
	Okay, all right.
	So here, we'll do this.
	And then.
	Do you think you will be better looking in 10 years' time?
	So you're 23, you're better looking at 33?
	It depends.
	Better looking in 10 years' time.
	I think so.
	I think so.
	Maybe.
	Oh, yeah, I think so.
	Yeah.
	20 years' time at 43?
	No.
	Okay.
	We don't know your age.
	Safe to assume mid-20s, I think.
	What was the first one?
	20 years ago?
	No, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	In 10 years' time?
	Yeah.
	I don't know, maybe with a Pilates membership.
	I mean, you're pretty fit, right?
	I mean, I could always be more fit.
	Okay.
	But then, like, also 10 years of aging.
	You know what?
	The women in my family, they age pretty well.
	I'm not concerned.
	Okay.
	20 years' time at.
	Also, the women on whatever have the most beautiful female family members as well.
	Yeah, it's true.
	I just want to point out that the most beautiful graceful aging.
	I know that's because they tell them.
	Yeah, it's true.
	It's true.
	My aunt's gorgeous.
	She was gorgeous up until she was like 90.
	Lolly skin.
	Actually, hold on.
	We do have a message here from Meet the Kaiser.
	I'd give the H-Man a solid nine.
	Out of ten.
	All right.
	Thank you, Kaiser.
	Appreciate it.
	Not a 10.
	H-Man doesn't get a 10.
	Unfortunate, I guess.
	Better looking in 20 years' time?
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe not.
	It's hard to say.
	Maybe not.
	30 years' time?
	I mean, I think probably not.
	Who knows?
	All right.
	That was an answer.
	You're 34, better looking in 10 years' time at 44?
	I think I'll look great at any age.
	I mean, so I'll just go ahead and grant that people can be attractive into their 40s, 50s, etc.
	I suppose the question is, though, you're 34 currently.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in comparison in 10 years' time?
	I'll look just as attractive.
	Okay, what about 20 years' time?
	Same.
	30 years' time?
	Same.
	40 years' time?
	Yep.
	50 years' time?
	I'm going to look great until I die.
	What happens right after school?
	The day that you die that makes you less attractive.
	What?
	What happens the day you die, which would make you less attractive?
	I'll be in the ground.
	So the day you die?
	She won't be visible.
	I mean, maybe not the day I die.
	They'll be in the open casket, I guess.
	Well, I hope I'll be cremated.
	Oh, cremation.
	Okay, so no, like embalming.
	Like, do you think you'll be hotter after you're embalmed?
	Maybe, because, yeah, maybe.
	You know, I've never thought I'd have to think about it.
	The whole embalming process, they can really work magic.
	They put on some makeup, put on a little red, so you're, you know.
	Probably be even more attractive, right?
	You could be hotter.
	I could be hotter.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	They definitely want you to look your best in the open casket.
	You know, that's why they put you in a casket.
	But I want to be cremated.
	My ashes spread.
	Wow, that's good.
	Yeah, but I mean, even if you're cremated, they usually will put you in a casket and let people come pay their respects, and then you get cremated, right?
	Yeah, I don't want that.
	It's like, oh, you croak and then right in the oven.
	Yeah.
	That's it?
	Really?
	I don't want, I don't want anything.
	Better, so okay.
	And wait, would you are you a model or what do you do for work again?
	Who's the model?
	Somebody's the model.
	I don't know.
	I'm in marketing.
	Oh, you're in marketing?
	Okay.
	And then you're 34.
	Were you better looking at 24 10 years ago than you are now at 34?
	At 24, I was just as good looking, but I would say when I was like a kid, I looked rough.
	No, I'm talking about adult.
	I'm just saying going back 10 years.
	10 years.
	24.
	Same.
	Same.
	Same?
	Okay.
	You are 23.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 33?
	I believe so.
	20 years' time at 43?
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 25.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 10 years' time in 35?
	Yes.
	20 years' time at 45.
	Yes.
	30 years' time at 55.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You're 26.
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 36.
	Yes.
	20 years' time, 46.
	Yes.
	30 years' time, 56.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	You're 25, better looking in 10 years' time at 35.
	Yeah.
	20 years' time at 45.
	No.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	You guys heard of this thing called aging?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So a question for you.
	So you'll be, I think you said, did you say better looking or just the same?
	You'll be the same at 55.
	The same or better.
	So if I could wave a magic wand that would advance your outward appearance 20 years and you stay there for 20 years and it doesn't aid, like you don't, you're not going to die 20 years sooner.
	You're not going to get cancer 20 years sooner if you were to get cancer.
	You're not, there's no gonna, there's not any actual health ramifications.
	Strictly your outward physical appearance, if we could advance it forward 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, those of you here at the table who say you'll be better looking in 10 years time, do you take me up on it?
	I think every single one of you said you'll be better looking in 10 years' time.
	So do you take me up on advancing your outward physical appearance by 10 years?
	I would say no.
	And the reason why I said I would look better in 10 years time, I'm not, I can't speak for anyone else, but you know, skincare treatments, taking care of yourself, when I was much younger, I didn't wear sunscreen.
	I didn't take care of myself like as far as like makeup and like skincare.
	So I think that putting in effort over time and I'll just have more of my life together at that point so I can afford to maybe look better and put more time in.
	What would you do in 10 years time that you aren't currently doing now?
	I don't know, like maybe skin resurfing treatments or like, you know, chemical peels, like more expensive moisturizers.
	I don't know.
	I mean, your skin looks pretty okay right now.
	Granted, you are wearing makeup, but I don't know.
	Maybe you will look like amazing in 10 years.
	Who knows?
	We don't know what technology will happen.
	Well, assuming you didn't have access to those interventions, does your answer change?
	Maybe, yeah.
	Did you say in 20 years time too?
	20, 30 years?
	I don't remember, to be honest, but I don't think I'll look better by who knows.
	So you just said 10, though.
	Yeah, I said in 10 years, maybe.
	Okay.
	So who takes the deal?
	I'll do it.
	Magic wand, advance your looks 10 years.
	You stay there for 10 years and then you just continue with your aging.
	Who here takes it?
	Oh.
	See, I'm only 23.
	I want to be in my 20s still right now.
	No, but I mean, doesn't everybody want to be better looking?
	Personally.
	All of you said you'd be better looking in 10 years' time.
	Personally, I just want to go through all the stages.
	I've seen like photos of my mom and my grandmother in their 20s, their 30s, their 40s, and I just think they look beautiful at every stage.
	So I would want to go through that.
	Okay.
	Well, I have a follow-up on this.
	When it comes to like wearing makeup, why don't, if like you look better as you get older, why don't women, you know, there's makeup that's used in theatrics and film, for example, that can age you and make you look older.
	Most women are not employing these kind of makeup techniques to make them look older, like putting on wrinkles, putting on lines, this sort of thing.
	Why do you think that is if you're going to be more attractive in 10 years' time?
	I don't think it's necessarily about the wrinkles or things like that.
	But for example, for me, one thing that changed when I got older was just like my face shape and like having a more full face to like my face thinning out a little bit more.
	And to me, that makes me more.
	Your face thinned out as you got older or was older, yeah.
	I don't understand this idea, like the what you're talking about, like the baby fat or whatever.
	I mean, I think perhaps there's a differential here.
	Who got this idea that super sharp features on a woman makes her more attractive?
	Beauty culture.
	Yeah, but if you look at like Asian cultures, for example, like more rounded features are typically exemplified in these cultures.
	in america so our beauty culture is very different yes even in america though like softer features on women tend to be deemed uh well it's not that it's one or the other I think a woman with more sharp features can be very attractive, but also a woman with more soft, rounded features, also very attractive.
	I feel like it's whatever fits their face.
	And if a girl does her makeup wrong, that will fit their face wrong.
	Like if you do sharp makeup, you're supposed to do soft, like you're supposed to do soft.
	But it's just something, I guess.
	I suppose if the trade-off is my, I lose some of the fat in my face, but all the other corresponding things that come with A, I don't know if that trade-off is really worth it, but.
	I will say that I don't think that having more baby fat made me look bad.
	It's just that now that I'm older, I still don't look my age, but I like that I look more my age, if that makes sense.
	Okay.
	We were going around the table on something.
	It was, oh, the magic wand.
	Do you take it?
	So just to clarify, because you had mentioned it as well, I'm assuming that in the 10 years, I do have access to procedural things like Botox for wrinkles or advanced longevity,
	science, you know, like freaking science biohacking sort of things, exercise, access to, I don't know, a different routine to work on musculature and composition.
	So is that out of the picture as well?
	I mean, to be fair, I know these procedures are available.
	I guess I just want, really quick before I answer that question, to the panel here, a woman at 20 who's taking good care of herself and, you know, there's not any crazy skin defects or crazy acne or anything, just assume normal girl, 20 years old.
	Comparing her to herself at 40, and let's let's there's different ways we can approach this.
	There's like body and then face.
	Let's stick to just face to begin with, but I guess we could do body too.
	Let's assume she's fit though at 20 and also fit at 40.
	So there's like perhaps some differences to like the skin.
	Right.
	Like, I mean, you start getting like some little dots and skin differences and stuff, whatever.
	But assume the fitness is like pretty comparable at both ages.
	Do you guys think that a 40-year-old woman who has Botox and all that shit is going to be more attractive than herself naturally at 20?
	Sometimes that is possible because when you're in your early 20s, even late 20s, sometimes you're not always taking care of yourself because you're grinding, you're working longer hours.
	Like you're just trying harder in life.
	And I feel like once I would just make a counterargument and say that, like, you've comparing 20 to 40, like, you're just, are you saying that the stress from 20 to 40, there's no stress that's accumulated in a 20-year period?
	I'm not saying that.
	What I'm saying is having more time for yourself and not 20-year-olds or 40-year-olds are more stressed out.
	20.
	20.
	40-year-olds.
	It depends on the 20-year-old and it depends on the 40-year-old.
	Do you know how much easier life was when I was 20 versus now at 35?
	But I thought it was a good idea.
	What's the environment?
	It's a different environment right now.
	The 20-year-olds right now are stressed the hell out.
	And not even that.
	You could say that, like, I mean, you could ask a 50-year-old man, like, what's his hardest time?
	He might tell you now and not 20, but then another 50-year-old man might tell you when he's a teenager, it was the hardest time of his life, and the rest was a lot of time.
	Stress will have already accrued the, I don't know, if mitochondrial damage, like, the stress has already had its impact.
	So you've already accrued the like supposed damage that would have occurred from the stress.
	But you know, when you go through something the first time and you have to learn the tools, so then you have a tool, so then you're like, oh, I can get through it next time.
	Let's assume the stress level is identical.
	How about that?
	Just to make things simple.
	The stress level is identical.
	We're making this question really deep.
	Yeah, why is this question only so in this case?
	Here's the scenario.
	Here's the scenario.
	I would argue, I mean, I'm granting that the stress level is equivalent.
	I genuinely think that the accumulated and accrued damage from the stress is going to be greater, this impact on your looks, is going to be greater at 40 than what has manifested itself at 20.
	But I'll just grant that the stress is totally the same, whatever.
	So if we're comparing a 20-year-old woman to her 40-year-old self, but the 40-year-old self has access to what's currently available on the market, Botox, whatever the fuck the other stuff is.
	I don't know.
	Which one's more attractive?
	I would still say maybe the older version because you have more confidence, you have more life skills.
	Like when you're younger.
	Oh my God.
	We're never going to answer.
	20 year olds.
	I think confidence affected your look.
	Confidence it doesn't.
	That's like a really big part of how you present yourself.
	I just wonder why all the beauty products that are anti-aging and none of them are forward aging.
	I've never seen one time a beauty product that was marketed.
	This will age you 10 years.
	I've never seen that, never seen any marketing of like, this will give you more wrinkles.
	I've literally never seen that in my life.
	It always seems to be the reverse.
	All the beauty products seem to be, oh, this will make you look younger.
	This will make you, you know, well, that's it, really.
	Just it'll make you look younger, right?
	That's how they market almost all of them.
	I want to almost grant to you that the 20-year-old is shy and then the 40-year-old is confident.
	I would say, honestly, I don't want to grant it.
	I think I do feel prettier now, only because when you get older, you start looking back like, oh, I can't see what I had then.
	So I do feel like actually in 10 years' time, I would not, I would think that I'm prettier now than at 30.
	Does that make sense?
	Well, can I ask one more quick question?
	Can the women at the table just quickly raise their hand if they've ever used an item called anti-aging cream?
	Some form of anti-aging cream.
	Retinol?
	Retinol.
	Whatever.
	A product that is marketed as anti-aging cream.
	Any product marketed is anti-aging cream.
	Really?
	I have for sure.
	Yeah.
	I'm terrible at skincare.
	None of y'all are going to answer.
	I mean, I have cream, but I've gotten Botox, if that counts.
	Really?
	You don't use any type of skin cream, which is designed to hide wrinkles, eliminate them, eliminate crow's feet, things like that.
	That would be anti-aging cream.
	No, I use only natural products like coconut oil and not everybody does.
	I was always taught you don't start using things unless you're not.
	Yeah, I was kind of going to wait till I was older.
	Yeah, like when I need it, I'll use it, but I'm like 20.
	Okay, here, we'll get everybody.
	Well, I don't understand.
	What's the coconut oil do?
	You're supposed to use that stuff kind of before you actually get the wrinkles as opposed to.
	Yeah, but what does the coconut oil do?
	What is it they're doing?
	Moisture and moisturizer.
	Does it make your skin look?
	It makes your skin look better, does it?
	I mean, it would be the same as you did.
	I want to say actually more youthful appearance does it?
	I think there is a big difference between anti-aging products and products that treat other things like acne, hyperpigmentation.
	There's so many products out there that aren't necessarily anti-aging.
	If we're talking about anti-aging, like things that are made for mature skin, right?
	I don't understand.
	Well, let's get everybody's answer.
	Magic wand.
	Do you take the magic wand?
	So, yeah, I was just going to say, you know, I know a lot of beautiful 40-year-olds, and I think that the one thing they don't like is coming with terms of their age.
	Not that they're less attractive.
	I don't think they're less attractive than me, but I think it's just, it's hard for them to admit that.
	Yeah.
	So do you take the magic?
	So, yes, I would take the wand because I would stop at 35.
	And I feel like people do look better in their 30s just because they have more of their life together.
	They don't party as much, sleep with their makeup on and all of that kind of stuff.
	Yeah.
	We pick up.
	I can actually.
	But the best things that I've been through, I look better after actually.
	Like, I've had clothes.
	You're making this extreme comparison.
	Like, these 18-year-old women are meth addicted, heroin-addicted.
	Like, the average 18-19-year-old is maybe, okay, maybe they're binge drinking on the weekend.
	That damage has already been accrued, and they're going to be looking rough in their 30s because of all the drinking that they did.
	It's not like instantaneous.
	You go out and binge drink one weekend and then you're looking rough as fuck.
	It takes time to accrue that shit.
	And that's why, like, when you see somebody in their 30s and they partied fucking hard, it was the first time they went in and partied, they didn't start looking rough immediately.
	They're rough in their 30s.
	But then they already got through that and they got in the healthy lifestyle.
	And now they're like, I mean, look, I'll grant, like, if you're living really rough, like maybe you're going to get some bags under your eyes and shit.
	But like, I just, I don't understand this whole, oh, well, the 20-year-old who's partying, and then that same, they partied, and then they're like on the health grind, they already accrued the damage to your liver, maybe, but not necessarily always on the outside.
	But y'all make it out, like, oh, okay, they binge drink twice a week.
	Yeah, not the best thing to do.
	But they're not like, I mean, we could use the extreme, like, what they're doing, fucking heroin and meth, and they're all methed out and shit, and then they've been sober for 10 years.
	Like, is that the example we're using?
	Or are we using like the average amount of something that somebody parties, which I don't think is going to like manifest itself immediately in like immediate outward damage?
	I guess just the things you go through, such as college, the partying, and then when you accomplish that, you kind of like feel better about yourself.
	And so then you get in a majority.
	Okay, 35-year-old woman who is going through a divorce.
	How about her?
	Well, sometimes people glow up after breakups.
	I mean, my horrible relationship, I got hotter after.
	Do you take the wand?
	I would take the wand.
	She takes the wand.
	You take the wand.
	I'm a little bit confused about the wand.
	The wand.
	It advances your physical appearance, just your physical appearance, 10 years' time.
	You stay there for another 10 years and then you age accordingly.
	You're not going to die sooner.
	You're not going to get health problems sooner.
	Just your outward appearance, we advance it 10 years.
	You don't take it?
	Who said they would take the wand real quick?
	Every other girl besides.
	No, I said no, because I remember I said, I changed my answer.
	So here's the deal: The Crucible and whatever podcast will actually pay to have cosmetic surgery done to you so that we can add wrinkles to your face.
	It's completely harmless, right?
	Thank God I said.
	It's a cheap way.
	Hang on.
	They make a mock-up model of you and your face, right?
	It's 100% safe.
	And they will go in, right?
	And they will definitely age your face forward by 10 years.
	Where's my takers?
	I'll pay for it.
	We will pay for it.
	Raise your hands.
	Who's my takers?
	You don't have to pay me.
	You're going to take it.
	Yeah, right, bro.
	I mean, I feel like this is the thing.
	Do we have it in the Discord?
	Damian, can you pull up the Discord and see if we have the?
	They're going to age us like 20 plus you.
	We'll do it.
	We'll wait until she's back from the bathroom.
	Why don't we pull up Twitch, though, while we're waiting for her to return?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	That's twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Guys, it's been 12 minutes since we last had a prime.
	Help.
	Can somebody test it out?
	See if I think it's bugged, boys.
	Can you guys test out and see if a prime's available?
	Also, guys, drop us a follow.
	Get us to 95,000 followers on Twitch, guys.
	I'm going to be streaming World of Warcraft on Twitch.
	And then let's pull up the Discord.
	We'll pull that up after we go through the stack on Discord.
	Guys, discord.gg slash whatever.
	Let's get that pulled up.
	So we'll do that before we go to the age stuff.
	We'll go to the go ahead.
	Oh, okay.
	We'll do that.
	Oh, yeah, no.
	I said no.
	I said no.
	Next.
	Why do I look so angry?
	Damn.
	That's 10 years or 20 years.
	That is not 10 years.
	My family doesn't look like that.
	You feel the same.
	Hey, she's right.
	Coconut oil for real.
	All right, next.
	Disgusting.
	Wow.
	Yikes.
	What's going on with the upper chest area on there?
	I feel like these are not 10 years.
	These are realistically not 10 years.
	We have cooties.
	No.
	Horrible.
	That's hot.
	Next.
	That is definitely not 10 years time.
	That's terrible.
	No.
	Yes.
	Jesus.
	MILF.
	Like 30 years.
	You're 30.
	Damn.
	What the?
	I took some MILF.
	Next.
	Oh.
	I wanted to move on.
	Oh, goodness.
	Oh, boy.
	Here's Bob's now.
	Oh, that's it.
	Oh, wait.
	We got Andrew.
	Hey, that's Andrew.
	Looking good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Of course.
	I like that.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Oh, and then let's pull up the other stuff on Discord.
	Got the other stuff like from the intro.
	Guys, discord.gg slash whatever.
	Me and Andrew have a big announcement, guys.
	For you nerds out there.
	Hold on.
	Okay, guys, we post BTS on the Discord, so you got to join.
	Go to the wall of whatever.
	Show them the bingo card.
	Guys, if you want to play bingo during the thing, and then, guys, me and Andrew, we're fucking teaming up, boys, for the horde.
	We are playing.
	Why can't I find it?
	What the fuck?
	There it is.
	Lower the volume of it.
	Pull it back up.
	Hello?
	All right, guys.
	The World of Warcraft tab.
	Go to discord.gg/slash whatever.
	Me and Andrew.
	We're starting a guild, boys.
	We're starting a guild.
	Now, boys.
	This is going to be serious shit, bro.
	We're going to be clearing Molten Core easy.
	Wait, wait.
	Why does that say the Alliance?
	I can't play with you guys if it's Alliance.
	No, it's Horde.
	Yeah, we're not doing Alliance.
	Wait, what?
	What did you say?
	We're not doing it.
	We're not.
	No way if it's Alliance.
	No, I said Horde, didn't I?
	Oh, okay.
	I don't think it says Alliance.
	Yeah, we can't.
	Can't do Alliance.
	No Alliance.
	Yeah, we're going to do Horde.
	We're going to do Horde.
	So, guys, if you're interested, go to that Discord.
	Fill out the only send in one message.
	Fill out the application if you want to be part of the whatever guild.
	And then the Crucible will be part of the guild.
	It's a guild.
	Good talk.
	Okay.
	What were we?
	We're talking about the rating thing or whatever?
	The magic wand.
	Magic wand.
	Yeah.
	Oh, here, final question on this.
	Do you think men will find you more attractive in 10 years' time?
	As compared to now?
	I don't know.
	I'm not a man, I don't know.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	We'll go with yeah.
	Okay.
	Physically attractive, to clarify.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	Probably.
	Okay.
	I think so.
	No.
	Okay.
	It depends on their age.
	I feel like they always like 10 years younger.
	So.
	So if they're 10 years older, then if I'm 35, they're 45, they probably will, you know.
	They'll always like younger.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	All right, guys.
	We're doing something a little new today.
	I have here, I have them fill out a questionnaire.
	It's the first time we've ever done this.
	In addition to all the pre-show notes we have, it's a lot, so we probably won't be able to get to everything.
	I have them do a little circle for all my toxic positions that they disagree with.
	The first one, though, that we're going to start with is the bear.
	So going around the table, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
	Random man, random bear.
	Like literally, like we're being so literal right now.
	I would have to say, I don't want to say that, though.
	Well, what did you write on the.
	I think I left it blank, to be honest with you.
	You did leave it blank.
	I just looked at it and I'm going to go.
	You do have to answer, though.
	It's a hard.
	It is not a hard question.
	And by the way, I feel like this is a bad comparison, to be completely honest, though.
	You're not allowed to change your answer.
	Whatever you wrote here, you have to say it.
	Like, are we talking about any man?
	Random?
	Okay, so it's a random man.
	A random man?
	Okay, look, here's the scenario.
	Because I was talking to you.
	Tell us the color of the bear.
	Is it a brown bear or a white bear?
	It's a pink bear.
	Oh, then a bear.
	Hold on.
	Here's the scenario, okay?
	I mean, it was already kind of written, but you said you could have just read it, but you randomly spawn in the forest.
	You randomly spawn.
	Just there.
	Okay.
	Then two buttons spawn in front of you.
	One of them would spawn a random man.
	The other spawns a random bear.
	So you get to pick which one spawns.
	So I would say a bear.
	You can't change your answer.
	You got whatever you wrote here, you have to say what it is.
	So just answer whatever you wrote in the thing.
	I only say a bear because my family used to go bear hunting, so I know how to run for a while.
	Okay, so you pick bear.
	I picked bear.
	Okay.
	I said depends on the man.
	Well, it's a random man.
	You don't know.
	That's why I don't.
	Bear.
	Okay.
	I picked bear.
	Bear?
	Man, because I thought he was manly when I read it.
	I didn't know that it was going to be some random strongy.
	Does it change?
	Honestly, yeah.
	Oh, so now bear.
	It depends on who it is, but yeah.
	No, but it's a random.
	So it could be.
	Then I don't trust that he's, I guess, a strong monkey man.
	It could randomly be.
	Wait, wouldn't that be a man?
	It could be a scary man, a weak man.
	An elegant man.
	No, that's good because then he can protect me.
	No, no, no.
	It's not a bear and a man.
	He's not protecting you from the bear.
	There's either a man or a bear.
	Like you're one-on-one with a man or a bear.
	Oh, I was thinking, like, just he could protect me in any situation in the woods.
	Let's just assume.
	But yeah, I get what you're saying.
	Absence.
	It'd be bad to be able to do that.
	That's a really strange answer anyway.
	What if the random man spawned and he's like, oh, I don't give a shit about you.
	Protect yourself.
	That's a possibility.
	Yeah.
	He gives you to the bear.
	He finds a bear.
	My chances of surviving in this forest without you greatly increased.
	Yeah, why don't I trust my survival instincts over here?
	Okay, I guess I pick bear then.
	I said man, but I changed my answer to bear.
	I thought we couldn't change.
	Okay.
	I say man all the way.
	Wait, so bear, bear.
	Can I change my answer?
	Bear, bear.
	Yeah.
	You want to change it?
	Yeah, but you said we couldn't, so I was sticking with the script.
	Yeah, but originally you wrote bear.
	It might be a grizzly bear, and I don't fuck with those.
	See, then I'd rather talk about a stranger in the woods than a grizzly bear.
	Okay.
	So those of you, two questions then.
	Those of you who said bear, why?
	Like, why do you pick the bear?
	And then why don't you pick the man?
	See, I would pick the man if I could have the choice of man.
	But since I don't have the choice, I pick bear because...
	Wait, can you tilt your mic down a little bit?
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Go ahead.
	But I say pick bear because I don't.
	Humans sometimes are unpredictable.
	And if it's a random person, I don't know what they're going to do.
	And a bear, like, they're just nature.
	They just probably will run at you.
	And you kind of just.
	Yeah.
	So just to understand this correctly, essentially, I think what you're saying is with the man, while the bear could kill you, with the man, the man could also kill you.
	He could also assault you in other ways.
	Is that a fair assessment?
	But the bear might be nice, might kill me.
	Okay, we'll come back to that.
	What about you?
	So why'd you pick the bear?
	Why don't you pick the man?
	I have two answers.
	Sure.
	Why I picked the bear?
	I grew up in rural Arizona.
	So I feel like I, and I went camping all the time, seen lots of bears.
	I feel comfortable in that situation for one.
	And then two, a man, a random man and a random bear.
	A man could potentially take away my dignity and then kill me, whereas bear will just kill me.
	So.
	I mean, or like teach you and let you die slowly.
	Well, I mean, a man could do that too.
	Sure, sure.
	How many, just, but have you encountered a bear before?
	I have, yeah.
	How many men have you encountered?
	A lot.
	Hundreds of thousands?
	I deal with men all the time for my job.
	Yeah, but like just walking down the street?
	Yeah.
	Like you've probably, how many men do you think you've like just walked by?
	Not entirely.
	Millions.
	I wouldn't say millions.
	Maybe you were in a classroom, start adding these up.
	You were in a...
	I mean, thousands at Lady Street.
	Certainly thousands, right?
	It doesn't matter the statistic of how many men I've gone past, because if we're being quite honest, the amount of men who have done horrible things to me is pretty high of those situations.
	What's the percentage?
	Enough for me to not feel safe around men by myself.
	Not to feel safe.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll get everybody's answers before we get into any of the details.
	So what about you?
	What was the question?
	Okay, why do you pick the bear?
	Okay.
	And why don't you pick the man?
	I think the bear is more predictable.
	And with the man, I have questions.
	Why is he alone in the middle of the woods?
	What would he know?
	Why am I alone with him?
	I just don't know what he's going to do.
	I don't think this is going to change your answer, but in the scenario I gave, he randomly spawns.
	Yeah.
	So you like click the thing, man.
	Oh, what am I doing here?
	What the fuck?
	Yeah.
	So there's no, like, there's not.
	This could be a guy who's Saudi Arabian.
	He's not just wandering.
	He comes in directly from North Korea, or this could be a guy who's from Albuquerque, New Mexico, working the night shift at Ralph's, right?
	So that's what you're dealing with.
	There's not like a motivation as to why he's in the woods, really.
	Okay, I still.
	Wait, actually, I do want to.
	Do you think men who are like in real life who do go into the woods or go on hikes?
	Like, do you think, like, what percentage of those men are like going to that environment with the like express intent to like go victimize a woman?
	I have no idea, but I love camping and I car camp often.
	And I've had times where there was just a random man like looking in my car and just like standing in front of my car.
	I don't trust it.
	So something bad happened.
	Okay, sure.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I initially put bear.
	Oh, you're switching your answer.
	But I switched it to man.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because you're genuine needs.
	You know, I think physicality-wise, I trust myself to be able to defend myself against a man, irregardless of the weight or stature, versus taking a chance on an animal, like a wild animal.
	But you're still, even if you pick the man, like still, like you're still assuming that the man poses like a risk, essentially.
	No, I mean, not intuitively, not innately, maybe, if you okay, sure.
	What about you?
	I mean, I don't feel safe hiking alone.
	Sure.
	So I would not feel safe with a man in the woods because they are the higher percentage of psychopaths as well.
	So it's also.
	What percentage of men are psychopaths?
	Because it's a random man.
	Over a woman, it's like in the 90s.
	Wait, 90% of men are not 90% of men, but over women.
	No, that's not true.
	Psychopathy doesn't even exist.
	Psychopathy is not in any, any American psychological book, any of the DSMs.
	Psychopathy is not even there.
	That's one of the psychopathy doesn't even exist.
	Let's just grant it, though.
	What percentage of men are psychopaths?
	I just saw something that, like, you walk by a certain amount of psychopaths on the street, and the percentage higher is men.
	Yeah, but what percent?
	I don't know, but I mean, you could look at serial killer statistics, and they're mostly men, so you could, I guess, make a percentage off of that.
	I mean, so if uh I don't understand though so like let's say the percentage is 0.0001 in women and it's 0.0002 in men I like that that would be yeah technology.
	I think I meant just more serial killers Which are all serious?
	Which is super rare.
	You know how rare serial killers are what, what percentage, and women are also very much.
	It's it's up in the air how many women are serial killers because they kill stealthily versus overtly so, especially in nursing healthcare, things like this, when they're in positions of caretaker roles.
	That's when women tend to kill the most Men, on the other hand, they just do it much more violently, right?
	Yeah, I was talking about in the woods, technically.
	But so what, give us, what's the percentage of serial killers?
	I guess now we could look it up, do you okay?
	How about this?
	Do you think it's less than one percent of what the male population is?
	Less than one percent is a lot.
	So probably maybe, I don't know.
	You think so.
	You went to high school, right?
	Yeah, I graduated college.
	How big was your high school?
	Um, like 2,000 people, your class, or the whole, all four, my class, my class, so there were 8,000 people at your house.
	Yeah, I went to a big high school okay, so four thousand?
	Uh, so what?
	I'll give you the clarification Brian, real quick.
	Yeah, roughly 1.2 percent of adult men in the United States are considered to have clinically significant levels of what are considered psychopathic traits, compared to 0.7 percent of adult women.
	However, the traits with it which they consider to be psychopathic um, does not actually make you a psychopath, right?
	So um, they're looking at things like um uh, hang on, let me pull up the traits here.
	It would be things like communication um, other things like lack of empathy, but these things are lower in men anyway, and those things on their own don't actually create the conditionals for any type of uh, borderline personality disorder.
	So hard to say exactly, but even by the metric, it seems that um, while it is true that men would slightly outnumber them, this seems like it's a trait problem.
	We're associating it with traits that are more masculine.
	Yeah violence yeah, but so what can you just?
	What percentage of men do you think are serial killers?
	It's very low.
	I know I shouldn't have brought up the percentage thing.
	I was just saying that they outnumber the women.
	Well, so I wouldn't have to be in the woods with them.
	Okay okay um, all right, what about you?
	I just think like, men are unpredictable and I think yeah, bear is predictable, bear predictable, okay.
	And then I don't think you picked bear.
	Uh, this is a point Andrew's brought up before to those of you I think you said predictable, you said predictable, unpredictable.
	Uh, just curious.
	So if you walked up to a man and patted him on the head, versus walking up to bear and patted the bear on the head, maybe a little rough, You know, a little hard.
	Which one do you think is gonna react more violently towards you?
	Is this the same thing?
	A random man?
	Am I saying everything?
	Yeah, random man, random man, or random bear.
	If you just walked over to any random guy, like right now in Santa Barbara, you were just walking down the street and you walked over to some random guy and he just patted him on the head, versus if you're walking down the street in Santa Barbara and you walked over to a black bear and patted it on it on the head.
	What do you think the outcome difference would be?
	It's the bear.
	The bear is predictable.
	Wait, no, she picks the bear.
	No, I know you pick the bear, but if you patted the bear on the head versus patting a random guy on the head, what do you think the result would be, the result difference would be?
	Do you think that the bear would, oh, I don't know, if you went over and tried to pat it on the head, perhaps eat your face, whereas the man would not likely?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, makes sense.
	But if I'm in the middle of the forest or woods and a bear and a man spawn, I'm not going to pat either of them on the head.
	Yeah, but which one would pose a bigger threat if you were to do this?
	Obviously, a bear, but that wasn't the original question.
	Sure, but I mean, it helps further kind of articulate the risk factor here.
	And then what do you pick, I guess, or your thoughts on that?
	I guess it kind of supports your theory.
	Like, the questions are like supporting your theory on how, like, I think a man could do a lot of things.
	He could kill you.
	He could essay.
	It could be a lot of different things.
	But a bear, yes, could kill you.
	Yes, it would be the bear.
	One quick question, then I'll let you come right in.
	Just one other follow-up question here.
	I'm assuming a lot of you guys either directly or implied there's a risk when it comes to the men.
	You're fearful of SA with this man alone in the forest.
	So my question is: what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to victimize you in this way?
	I don't think they feel inclined.
	This is going to sound terrible.
	I just feel like some men don't know that they're even doing it.
	Like they genuinely are just so ignorant to what they're doing.
	They're in their world.
	They're living in it.
	Well, this would not be like a date grape scenario.
	Yeah, I know.
	So this is like he would have to like essentially violently assault you in this.
	So we're talking about violently assault.
	Because like, say, if I'm at a bar and like a guy comes by, like, touches my ass and he just keeps grabbing, he might think that if like I don't turn around and say something, that he's just allowed to keep touching me.
	Do you know what I'm trying to say?
	Like, I feel like sometimes they think that they're entitled.
	They don't even realize what they're doing.
	They're sexually assaulting someone, but they don't even realize.
	Like, so I'm not saying, like, I don't know.
	Sometimes I think also men think that it doesn't matter how many no's they get as long as they get a yes or as long as you stop saying no.
	And that's not the same as a yes.
	Or as long as you don't say anything.
	Yeah, as long as you don't say anything.
	Not all men, but some men.
	Some men.
	Like, I'm not saying that all men, but that's not.
	But like, I think a lot of men just genuinely don't know what they're doing and that that and the harm that they're doing because they're just feeding their own ego in a way.
	Okay, so I mean, even I suppose granting your expanded definitions of, you know, or granting the definition, how your definition, excuse me, mumbling over my words here.
	Granting how you view these certain crimes or whatever, going ahead and granting that, what percentage of men are going to do that in a given situation then, I suppose?
	I'll say 40%.
	40%?
	Okay.
	For me, it doesn't matter percentage.
	If there's even a 1% possibility, I would rather die by a bear than be raped.
	Even if it was 1%.
	Well, let's try to use like essay.
	That's essay.
	Even if it was 1%.
	Yeah, but you don't think it's 1%, do you?
	I don't know what the percentage.
	do you think it is of men that would do that that would be so it's a it's a random man out of the population It's a random man.
	So what percentage of men in the population do you think would do this or would be inclined to doing that in the scenario presented?
	In that exact scenario, I don't know, maybe, maybe 20, maybe like 15.
	It's not.
	We'll say 20.
	We'll say 20.
	What do you think?
	I don't know the percentage, but I remember when I was in college reading something that's saying that like one in every four college student females will be essayed or something like that.
	So I'm going to say it's maybe 2%.
	I don't know.
	Okay, before we get into the, well, okay, go ahead.
	It's how.
	So 25% for you.
	You said one in four, so you're going off that.
	So 25%.
	I mean, not everyone's in college.
	I don't know.
	I'm just going to say 2% because I have no idea.
	2%?
	Yeah.
	2% is a lot different than 1 in 4.
	It is, but in college, you're going out, you're partying.
	I'm trying to consider that.
	So I'm just going to say 2%.
	All right, 2%.
	All right.
	I'm sorry, just to clarify.
	So it's what percentage I feel any given man is inclined to aggressively act out just 2%.
	Okay.
	Like 10 or 15?
	10 or 15?
	More than 1%, definitely.
	Yeah, good.
	Well, okay, more than 1% could be 99%.
	92%.
	Okay.
	And then you're, well, you didn't pick there.
	Men make me feel safe.
	Like, not all men, but like whoever my other person is, as long as they make me feel safe.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so I'm actually kind of surprised because, Andrew, we've asked this frequently.
	This is one of the first times we've had such low numbers given.
	Those were pretty high numbers.
	Well, Andrew, a couple of girls said 1%, 2%.
	That's low, comparatively speaking.
	But we did get a 40% from you and a 20% from you.
	I say like 15 or 20.
	15 or 20.
	Okay.
	So you said 40%.
	But with the question, I was the first to answer.
	Did you mean like literally initiate or just like to think about doing stuff like that?
	Because I answered on basically like, do men have those thoughts and want and are entitled to do it?
	I think four, I mean, I would still think 40% of the men want, like they're fantasizing about essaying women.
	I still think that's pretty high.
	Or being with women they can't have.
	So yeah, that's what the conversation is.
	Wait, y'all, hold on, whoa, wait.
	Wait, that's a little different.
	Fantasizing about a woman that they can't have.
	Don't y'all fantasize about like men who y'all can't ever have fucking NFL players, athletes, famous musicians.
	No, you don't, you don't have like a celebrity crush.
	No, I do not.
	That's fucking bullshit, y'all.
	It's a part of my disorder, literally.
	I don't think it's like, are you saying it's like a mental essay for guys?
	Have a sexual fantasy with like a famous woman or something?
	No, I thought you were saying they have those thoughts.
	That's it.
	That was all I was.
	What do you think?
	Essay thoughts.
	What do you think one of the most common, if not the most common, sexual fantasy of women is?
	I know.
	I have no idea.
	That's actually a really good argument, Andrew.
	That's a fantastic argument.
	I'm going to tell you.
	Yeah, it's.
	Maybe you're referring to insults.
	You're talking about guys that can't get sex and then they laugh.
	She knows about that skill.
	I was just learning the entitlement of women.
	I was diverting the question.
	Can I jump in?
	What do you think the most common sexual fantasy of a woman is?
	I don't know.
	I know.
	A British accent.
	Yeah.
	Definitely.
	Dominance.
	Bingo.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, it's.
	No, it's much more than that.
	They have grape fantasies.
	Not all.
	I don't.
	Like, I don't.
	Hang on.
	I'm just going to go off the facts here.
	All right.
	We'll make sure that we all get it right.
	Number 10, strangers in the night.
	Nine, group sex.
	Seven, laying you out on display for other people to see, meaning you're having sex in front of other people.
	Six, sexually ravaged.
	Five, or I'm sorry, four to leave it as a tip.
	And then two, strap on.
	I'm going in.
	That's pretty brutal, right?
	What the fuck is this?
	And then number one is SA fantasies.
	Number one.
	That doesn't mean there was not a single thing I think you said that I fantasize about.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Same.
	Well, okay.
	While that could be true, I just want you to understand that there's all sorts of things, which I'm sure would be attributed to the majority of men that perhaps could not be attributed to me.
	Here's a really good one.
	I have blue eyes.
	That's really, really, really rare in men, right?
	But that has nothing to do with how common brown eyes are, right?
	So even though I don't fit the mold, it doesn't really mean anything.
	I'm not saying anybody here has fantasies of being SA'd.
	I'm just saying that it's the number one fantasy.
	Well, it's what is.
	You got something on this?
	Yeah.
	This was a lot.
	For one, he just said that was a list of women's fantasies.
	Top 10.
	Top 10 reported by women, yeah.
	Now, remember previously how I told you that women say something and do something else?
	Now, if you ask the common women, they just said that's their biggest fear.
	But you just did a poll that that's their biggest fantasy.
	So you see how women can say one thing and think and do something totally different?
	So I just want to say that.
	Two, it's very alarming that women would rather take a chance with a wild animal who is extremely unpredictable over a man who can possibly not do none of those things.
	That there is a potential with a man.
	There is no potential with the bear.
	None.
	He's going to kill you or kill you later.
	So for women to pick the bear over a man who can potentially build a fort with you, make a campfire, and just totally assume he's going to hurt you, it's just very disturbing that women have these, or at least they say they have these fantasies that men will just do this.
	They just assume such negativity about men.
	It's just kind of disturbing to hear that.
	It's like, I would never take a chance with a wild, ravaging bear than a human being without having a chance to, I can't even talk to the bear.
	You can at least bargain with the man, maybe.
	You just discarded the common interest of talking over a savage beast.
	It's just crazy how women think today.
	Nobody's going to say that.
	I think that's disturbing that we've been in positions where we feel that way.
	Yeah, rather than...
	Wait, can I?
	Go ahead, go ahead, go, Jeffrey.
	Now I do.
	Andrew said you tested it.
	Yeah, that's what, but that's, that sounds good.
	But according to the list, the number one fantasy of women is the thing that you all are saying that you hate.
	That doesn't mean we want it to happen to us in real life.
	I don't believe you do.
	I'm just saying.
	It just shows the duplicitous, contradictory nature of women that I spoke of earlier.
	Hold on, I'm going to let y'all return.
	I'm not saying y'all feel this way.
	I'm just saying.
	It's just proof of the contradictory nature of following what women say as according to what they do.
	Because if I feel like most women should feel how y'all feel, but according to his poll, the number one thing was the most appalling thing that they're saying out of their mouths.
	And it just contradicts me.
	Like when that movie Shades of Grey came out, women love that shit.
	A fantasy isn't a safe situation.
	It actually happening in an abusive way is not something you're how is assault a fantasy.
	And also, let me add to this: a lot of SA victims will fantasize their trauma.
	Even though it was a bad experience for them, they then fetishize their own trauma.
	As a man, I would never fetishize somebody beating you.
	And you're a man.
	We are women.
	I don't think that.
	Like I say, what y'all say and what y'all do is two different things.
	It don't make sense.
	I don't see how you can fantasize about something that you put on, that you deem is so negative.
	I don't understand, but it's just genuinely.
	And there's men that's been essayed that do fantasize over.
	They turn all the way over.
	That's what they do.
	I would also like to ask, I guess, what is the percentage of these, like this statistic that we got in from the poll?
	How many women, what country were they from?
	What age demographics were they?
	Like, there's just so much, so many other questions.
	How many?
	I'll tell you the answers to that.
	So this is centered around mostly the Western world.
	These polls were done between Australia, Western Europe, and the United States, Canada, things like this.
	And the way that they gathered the data was from dating sites for the most part.
	They gather them from dating sites.
	Women tend to be more honest in the background of those, and so do men.
	And that's how they can gather up different preferences.
	And also, what women commonly search for when they're looking for corn, for instance, what they're searching for there.
	You can gather the data that way as well.
	And this is what we come up with.
	Now, men got all kinds of freaky shit too.
	Don't get me wrong, right?
	They got all kinds, like the thing that they top, one of their top searches, pretty gross, right?
	But so I understand the both sides thing, right?
	I'm not even necessarily saying I've always thought that the thing about this that was so bothersome to me in a different way is that women most commonly say, well, if a man spawned in the forest, when they say I would choose him over the bear, he's going to protect me.
	And I've always thought, well, that's pretty assumed entitlement, right?
	It's pretty assumed entitlement that you instantly assume any man in the forest has some obligation to protect you.
	Like, I would just be like, well, I'm spawned in with you, but I don't know you.
	Good luck.
	Hope you don't die.
	I'm getting out of this forest now.
	See you later.
	But it's always that has always been the detail of the answer that has bothered me.
	I understand why.
	So here, I'll give you an example.
	Let me give this question back the other way to Brian Atlas and to the gentleman who's there.
	Would you rather be spawned into the forest with a random bear or with a gay prisoner?
	Random gay prisoner.
	So there's no, it could possibly be that he has no intention, of course, of essaying you because it's random, right?
	But, you know, also, there's the chance that he could.
	Would you prefer to be spawned in with the bear or with the gay prisoner?
	Random gay prisoner, by the way.
	Gay prisoner.
	Gay prisoner?
	Gay prisoner.
	I take the gay prisoner.
	Was he gay before he went to prison?
	I'm going to take the human every time because we can, I don't have to do nothing with you, but you're a human.
	You have arms and legs.
	You can help me pick some shit up.
	Like, I can't do nothing with no bear.
	100%.
	Yeah, I think that that seems reasonable to me.
	It's within the confines of reason.
	It's like, okay, but now they're in the same position you're in.
	So now they could easily also be overpowered by this person.
	This person, they even have more information.
	They know that this person likely has more volatility than the average person.
	And they are in the same kind of vulnerable position.
	But according to reason, they go, well, but the chances are still way better, even with a gay prisoner, than they would be with a bear.
	So this is how you put, you're taking your position, putting it on them, but the answer is far different.
	And so you kind of wonder why that is.
	In fact, I would even go so far as to say this.
	Somebody said with the SA, the dignity aspect, that's terrible for women when they get essayed.
	Absolutely.
	But think about it from a man's perspective.
	For a man's dignity, whew, that's brutal as well.
	And so yet they're still willing to take the chance the other direction.
	And so it makes you wonder why.
	Andrew, I think even granting if this gay prisoner is like 30% faster and stronger than you, you still take it.
	You still take it, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that you can continue with the conditionals to the point where almost it almost would seem more reasonable to take the bear.
	And most men would still take the idea of the gay prisoner because they're just looking at the chances of if a random gay prisoner spawned in with you, this person could at least be reasoned with and a bear's going to eat your face, right?
	Yeah, and I just felt, like I said, it's just real disturbing, this assumed negativity when it comes to men.
	Like even when he brought up the poll of the women, your first response was, well, where are they from?
	It's like when it comes to these lists with women, all this nuance is required.
	But when it comes to men, it's just assumed that they're going to do that.
	But you don't ask, well, what's his upbringing?
	What's his mentality?
	Like, where is he from?
	Those questions are not asked when it comes to men.
	When it comes to women, it's like, all we need, all this nuance.
	And it's like, I feel like modern women live in this world between fear and fantasy.
	I want to bring up something about the poll when you're done.
	Even when it comes to stuff that women watch, women like to watch a lot of romantic films of these fantastical situations that never happen.
	And then on the contrary, they like to watch horror and all these crimes of when men are just doing these diabolical things to women.
	It's like if you're constantly feeding your mind fear and fantasy, you're not dealing with reality, which is in neither one of these worlds.
	And I just feel like you could just tell when you ask women certain questions that they just really think the worst of men.
	It's just embredded in y'all.
	I don't know what's going on today.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'm going to go out on a limb.
	Oh, thank god.
	Got it.
	I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the ladies that are answering these polls when it comes to the essay, they're thinking about, okay, I'm fantasizing about someone who is dominant, who is handsome, who I, you know, maybe it's, I don't know, someone wealthy that's just dominating me versus a random man that's becoming animal.
	But I respect that, but you still just make an excuse because it's a woman instead of just dealing with what it is.
	I'm not making an excuse.
	No, you are.
	You added mad stuff to it.
	You added that she's rich.
	That's kind of like you've done earlier.
	What did I add?
	Give me an example.
	Like when we were watching the video and you were talking about it.
	Give me an example.
	Because you said that I'm assuming that a woman who fantasizes about being assaulted is talking about a man who's handsome and tall.
	You don't want to be assaulted by somebody you're attracted to.
	So that doesn't make sense to me.
	Anybody that you appeal to, you don't want them to assault you.
	That doesn't make sense to me.
	I don't see how they matter.
	I have a question that didn't get answered.
	How many women answered in total in the world, how many women answered that poll with that answer?
	I don't know what the total of them are.
	I don't think it matters.
	Hang on.
	It doesn't.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	I'm trying to answer.
	Okay, sorry.
	So I'm not sure that that would matter.
	All you would need is to have a statistical enough sample size that it was statistically significant.
	And the studies that I'm reading say that their sample sizes are statistically significant.
	Another thing, who is funding those studies?
	Well, most of these are funded by women's clinics, though many of them I would have to look into the background.
	But most of the time, studies are funded by progressive institutions, not conservative ones.
	So I don't see how there would be a publishing bias against women exactly.
	Because sometimes there occasionally is, depending on who puts on the study.
	Well, related to that, I have a quick question.
	She cited this commonly perpetuated statistic in colleges, one in four.
	Are you prepared to make the same sort of criticism over the years?
	I actually have a question.
	I think that it is very false.
	So one in four women have been full-blown essayed.
	Yeah, I would say more than that.
	What do you think about the DOJ?
	What do you think about the official FBI and DOJ statistics?
	They're collecting actual crime data instead of polling random.
	Like they're actually analyzing the idea of the.
	Yeah, here's the one.
	And here's the data point that backs up, Brian.
	The data point is that when polled, college students who are male give significantly higher numbers of being SA'd than women do.
	All I was trying to mention with the poll is that you said that it was gathered from dating ops.
	Many women are not on dating apps.
	Sometimes, sometimes.
	I'm not on the screen.
	I've never been on a study has done these.
	Many, many different people have done these.
	One such study that you can look at, National Institute of Health, this is from, these are government studies.
	Though they don't tell you some of the information that you're asking, and I would have to look into the undercurrent.
	I think that that's fair, right, to ask who's conducting the studies and why.
	They do seem to be statistically significant.
	So hang on.
	A team of researchers based University of North Texas and Notre Dame studied 355 women.
	That's statistically significant.
	A part of the research involved participants being able to read R word fantasy scenario over headphones to investigate how aroused they became.
	In the study published, the Academic Journal of Sexual Behavior Participants were in, yeah, the number of how many did was kind of staggering, right?
	So that's just one study, one aspect of this study, but there's other ways that this research is conducted.
	I can't give you all the details because you don't know them, but it does seem like it's a fairly firm fact that this is pretty common.
	Also, the one in four study, it included things like, for example, cat calling.
	It included cat calling.
	It also included, were one of the parties, did they have more than one alcoholic beverage?
	So they counted consensual sex, but if even both of the parties had had more than one or two drinks, they counted that as SA.
	Do you think that that's SA if like if someone is if if both parties are under the influence, is that what you're saying?
	Sure, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well I guess it raises.
	parties has had two beers is who said you said that's essay yeah I mean because two beers Well, they still know what they're doing, don't they?
	I would say it depends on how the beers are.
	Hold on, stop, Hold on.
	I guess I'm confused about the question.
	So a man has two beers.
	A woman has two beers.
	They have sex.
	Is that SA?
	Oh, no.
	I thought you meant just if they were intoxicated, that it doesn't count or something.
	That's what we misunderstood.
	We misunderstood.
	It's too woke.
	Like, people are super sensitive.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	I just want to give you the rest of this.
	The results of the study, which also explored other sexual and aggressive fantasies, self-esteem, blah, blah, blah.
	52% of the women had fantasies about forced sex with a man.
	32% had fantasies about being full-on R-worded by the man.
	28% had fantasies about forced oral sex by a man.
	And 16% forced anal sex.
	And hold on, hold on.
	But y'all see how when the data comes, it's always a pushback when it comes to the woman's perspective.
	Because I've met many women and they've told me they've taken my hand and put it on their neck.
	Oh, I don't know.
	It sounds good, but in reality.
	There's a difference to them being a bit more.
	Listen, listen, violence is violence.
	I don't play.
	I don't even like to play fight.
	I only like to fight for real.
	To me, if someone wants to pretend to be rough in a violent matter, like when is how is choking ever?
	It's nothing soft in the future.
	But she trusts that person.
	I get it, but it's still sensual.
	It still speaks to the pathology of the woman.
	My grandmother didn't do that, nor did my mother.
	They do that today.
	That you know of it.
	Of course.
	Of course, but of course, but it's always convenient when it comes to the women.
	But when it comes to men, it's definitely definite.
	Like, that's just bias.
	Like, like I was saying, most women, if to slightly even want your man to pretend to do something that in real life would be negative, speaks to the pathology of the woman.
	Why do you want me to pretend to choke you?
	When did that become sexual?
	When did that become intimate?
	When did that become loving?
	When did that become becoming of a feminine woman to be choked by her man?
	It doesn't make sense.
	Y'all can make all the scoops you want, but it don't make no damn sense.
	It's a fantasy.
	Part of it actually is.
	Part of it actually is science.
	When you allow a certain amount of oxygen to be deprived from the brain, you orgasm harder.
	I want to move away.
	hold on guys guys guys let's move away from andrew brought up that one example I want to move away from the study about women's fantasies.
	Let's get back to kind of like the meat of the conversation here.
	So you brought up this one in four number.
	Okay.
	So this includes, I mean, I'm just curious here, if the man had two drinks, the girl had two drinks, is that SA?
	Is that what it is according to the study?
	I believe there was some component, even consensual sex, between two people who had consumed some degree of alcohol.
	They deemed it as SA.
	If it's consensual, I don't count it as SA, but it also depends on body weight.
	So two drinks for a 5'2-0 versus a 6-foot-7.
	Sorry, you're not going to be blackout with two drinks.
	No, even if you're 5'10.
	All I'm saying is like alcohol conversion in height and weight for two people who weigh very different things.
	I'd argue men drink more heavily than women.
	So I gave you an example where it's like the equivalent, but let's say that the man's more drunk than the woman.
	Is that SA?
	Yeah, if he's more, if he's more drunk.
	He's not blacked out.
	But I mean, how would you, I don't even understand how you can be raped by five women.
	If two people go out and they get drunk, no two people are going to have the same level of impairment, right?
	No two people are going to have the same level of impairment.
	So one's always going to be slightly or even more less impaired than the other person, even if they're both drunk.
	I don't even know how you would quantify that.
	Like, how would you quantify that?
	Oh, well, you had six drinks and she had three, so now you're equally impaired.
	So now you can have sex.
	Like, that just seems absurd on its face, right?
	Okay, well, men get also more aggressive when they've had more to drink.
	So if they're sloppy drunk, they couldn't.
	Women get more aggressive when they drink too.
	Women definitely get aggressive.
	Okay, so if we don't agree with that study, then let's find another one that says what the percentage is.
	There's the DOJ statistics.
	Damien, can you try to find the DOJ statistics?
	But, okay, how about this?
	A woman has consent, there's no alcohol involved.
	A woman has consensual sex.
	She regrets it the next day.
	Is this essay?
	No.
	Okay, but I mean.
	It happens.
	That's a joke you're talking about.
	But it happens.
	I want to say a lot of things happen.
	Doesn't make it right.
	But that happens more than often.
	It does, but that's a whole and actually this affects African-American men at higher rates, at very high rates, because there's like this racial component.
	That's why I said it's a lot of fun.
	The Roe v. Wade was based on a lie.
	Who is Emmett Till?
	Emmett Till.
	Don't get me started.
	We can go on and on.
	That's why I said we speak from a privileged position.
	We speak from a privileged position.
	Everybody has a different reality, so you can get away with something that another person wouldn't.
	It's going to affect them.
	They might have the legal fees.
	They might have the means to combat these assumed negative emotions and actions of men as opposed to another man.
	Like right now, for example, I don't know his income, but I'm assuming he makes more than me.
	He might can get out of a situation like that quicker than I can based on the words of a woman.
	So when we just speak these general, like, oh no, it's just like this.
	No, it's not just like that.
	It's very nuanced, but it seems like we only show nuance for the woman's side and not for the man's side.
	Like we have to be real about this thing.
	People take these topics from these podcasts and they run with it in real life and people's lives really get jeopardized, especially men.
	Like the Roe v. Wade thing.
	That was based on a white woman blaming a and I don't want to make it racial, but y'all brought it up.
	Wait, Roe v. Wade?
	The rate, the Roe v. The abortion thing.
	That was the original, if I'm not mistaken, the original crime was white woman blaming a black man saying he essayed her.
	And from that, she got impregnated.
	And because of that, that's awful.
	It's not privacy.
	It's more of anything about privacy.
	It was a lie.
	The woman who, the crime that caused that law to come in to be implemented was a woman who lied on a black man who was never SA'd by him.
	And they took that story and made abortions legal because of that lie.
	That's a fact.
	I think it was a documentary that they made on it.
	What's that show?
	What's the Candace?
	Candace Owens is on the network.
	It got Bill Walsh.
	Matt Walsh is on it too.
	They did a whole documentary about it.
	They did a whole documentary about Roe v. Wade.
	It was based on a lie.
	I don't know the details.
	The network is the Daily Wire.
	The Daily Wire.
	Yep.
	They did a documentary on it.
	And they were talking about how I believe that situation was based on a woman who accused a man of essaying her, and he didn't even do it.
	And he happened to be a black man.
	I want to know how his life went.
	Okay, this just took a look.
	Hey, so what is up?
	I'll move things on here shortly.
	I guess really quick, those of you, you said 20%, you said 15 to 20.
	Does this also apply to like your family members, like cousins, et cetera?
	So like one in five of all your family members?
	I mean, I was taught by my dad to protect myself from men.
	So, I mean, so technically.
	Yeah, but like, are you willing to throw like one out of five of your like blood under the water and say like one in five of your male family members are like inclined to essay a woman?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	In fact, I know for a fact that some of them have.
	Okay.
	Well, it is, look, it does happen in families.
	I've never actually happens more than five years.
	I mean, are you asking?
	Because it happens more than just random people on the street.
	Like, typically, it's somebody that you know or somebody that is strange.
	I want to say it's somebody's friend.
	It's somebody's son.
	It's somebody's dad.
	But so, I guess, final thing here on the bear thing.
	So I kind of is the position that.
	Oh, wait, so wait, it mostly doesn't happen by strangers.
	It mostly happens by.
	So if it mostly doesn't happen by strangers, wouldn't that be a strike against your logic of thinking that responding randomly with a stranger in the woods?
	Wouldn't that significantly lessen the idea in the UBSA?
	How many women are alone in the woods just like that?
	Like how many women on average just spawn into the woods?
	Like it's a hypothetical situation.
	Yeah, but I know, but hypothetical situations are designed to test your logic.
	That's why we make them up, right?
	We make them up to see if we can determine what is true and what is not true.
	And if we're using logic and reason in order to make determinations about things or if we're just using pure emotion or something like that.
	So I have no doubt that you feel that this is true, right?
	And there's many things I feel are true, but the reason we use hypotheticals to test if the feeling makes any sense.
	And so if the idea is once we get into the nitty-gritty, wait a second, almost you all agree it's mostly somebody you know who would do something like this.
	Wouldn't that be a strike against the idea that spawning with a random stranger in the middle of the woods, you would actually be less likely than you would even with somebody you knew.
	Good point.
	Not necessarily.
	I think they're saying that the chances are just higher in general, no matter who you're around.
	The reason why it's usually higher with people who you know is because they can have you in a compromising position, like watching you while your parents are gone.
	Like something where you're alone, where you're isolated.
	That's why it's typically someone.
	We're talking about adult women here.
	Adult women, this type of thing.
	Even adult women are still.
	It can still be when you're isolated and when you're alone.
	And if you're an adult women are still more likely.
	Adult women are still more likely to be essayed by people they know, right?
	But most of the time, the people that they know are not, are people like male friends of theirs, things like this.
	Those are the people who are.
	And yes, it is true that they're in a compromising position, but it seems like it's this intimate knowledge you have with this person that makes them feel like this is in some way appropriate or that they can get away with it or this kind of thing.
	Do you think if you respond with a random stranger in the middle of a forest, that you guys would have way bigger things to worry about than whether or not he wants to just like attack you, you know, and, you know, and it just seems kind of silly, right?
	Maybe it's also perspective from people on the streets, strangers on the streets that come approach us and stuff, too.
	It makes no logical sense to choose a bear over a fucking stranger in the fucking woods.
	It makes no logical sense to choose a bear statistically, biologically, like absolutely none.
	We are running ourselves in circles.
	And it's like we are emotionally like politicizing the emotion and the feeling of, of course, we're not saying, like, yeah, SA fucking happens and it sucks.
	And the statistics, it is real.
	That is real.
	That does not devalidate that point at all.
	Logistically, statistically, for the fact of the argument, a bear or a man, the odds of survival, immediate survival, you would choose a random man.
	I would not.
	I would not.
	That makes no logical sense to me.
	I grew up in rural Arizona and I've been around bears.
	I've seen bears.
	I used to go camping all the time.
	I feel very comfortable.
	It just depends on yourself.
	We'll explore all this.
	Really quick, pull up the meme, get the meme going.
	Okay, so brown bear up to nine feet tall, up to 1,300 pounds.
	Claws, four inches by force, 1,200 psi, pelfer, 5 inches speed, 35 miles per hour.
	Kyle, 510, 174 pounds, project engineer said hi to you at the gym.
	So like, look, again, yes, there's some percentage of men that would victimize you terribly, but like, you have to attribute such a large percentage if you're doing a risk assessment of like, yeah, I'm going to pick a bear over a man.
	Like, your risk assessment is flawed.
	The question wasn't about logic.
	Logic is a little bit more.
	It is a logic.
	It's a logic.
	Hey, let me.
	Wait, let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	The pain that someone might feel after being essayed is gonna stay with them for the rest of their life.
	But is it a case?
	Maybe they don't want to deal with that.
	It's not a guarantee.
	It's not a guarantee.
	But the bear.
	You said it's a toothpaste.
	The bear.
	The bear.
	From my experience, the bear is probably going to do one of two things.
	It's going to probably like eat me or it's going to leave me alone.
	It's just going to go away.
	No.
	And then later just walk in.
	No, I don't.
	I like that.
	I don't know what y'all talking about.
	I don't know what y'all talking about.
	How many bears have you in?
	Listen, I don't want to counter them.
	I'd rather deal with a person than a damn rabbit and bear.
	I'm not guaranteed to eat you.
	You've never encountered a person.
	And a man ain't guaranteed to just take your womanhood and this question.
	Y'all got that.
	There is both sides to it.
	It sounds good.
	It sounds real good.
	We live in a world where your feelings matter more than logic, but she said it herself.
	It's not even about logic.
	So if it ain't about logic, it don't make sense because there's nothing in your life that logic can be missing and you can succeed from it.
	So let's cut it out and be grown up in here.
	I think people are just doing it based off experience.
	They're just based off experience.
	Very quickly.
	That Arizona only has one species of bear, black bears, and there's only about 2,000 of them in the entire state.
	So the likelihood they came across too many probably isn't I unless you were going to like a bear reserve or something.
	Which I have been before.
	And also, I've been, I have been immersed in wildlife from the time that I could like walk.
	So I feel very comfortable with animals.
	That's my personal opinion.
	And that's based off of my experience growing up around animals.
	I had a mountain lion in my clubhouse as a kid because I grew up on five acres.
	And I felt very safe just watching it from my fence with binoculars.
	I was about 10 feet away from it.
	My parents didn't see anything wrong with that.
	And they let me do that.
	And I feel comfortable with that.
	What I don't.
	Let her finish.
	A fence that they can easily.
	Dancing with mountain lions.
	Dancing with mountain lions.
	What I'm saying is I personally, this is my opinion.
	I feel like more comfortable with that than I would a random man who I don't know anything about.
	Okay.
	But he can at least.
	That's my opinion.
	That's my excellent opinion.
	I just want to think.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	At least the man, there is a potential.
	Your view is your view.
	But the fact that you're ignoring the ultimate potential of a human interaction over a ravaging beast.
	It wasn't ignored.
	Hold on, sweetheart.
	Hold on.
	I understand.
	I just said it wasn't ignored.
	It wasn't ignorant.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	Hold on.
	Thank you.
	The fact that you're ignoring the potential.
	It wasn't an ignorance.
	Oh, my God.
	Y'all, you triggered.
	I get it.
	I got you.
	I know you're mad.
	You got it.
	You got it.
	The fact that you're ignoring the potential for a human interaction over a ravaging beast shows the lack of logic and the assumed negativity of men by most women.
	You really think if you move that fence and you on that mountain lion chill for a week, he won't attack you?
	Like, you don't even, you can't even, the fact that you're not even assuming that maybe I can talk to this man.
	You can't communicate to that bear at all.
	I don't care how many times you fed it some crackers or something.
	He will hurt you at a higher rate than a human being.
	But the fact that you're just denying the fact that maybe I can talk to this person, maybe I can communicate.
	You just denying all of that.
	You've talked to way more human men than you've ever talked to lions and bears, oh my, in your life.
	And you're just going to ignore that.
	You're going to ignore the fact you had that cool guy you went to school with.
	Your cool uncle, your cool brother, the cool guy at the store, the guy that helped you get the gas that time.
	You're ignoring all of those scenarios of positive men for that small list of negative men as opposed to a fucking bear.
	Just shows to the lack of logic of the modern woman.
	Like, you can make all the excuses you want, but it shouldn't make no difference.
	Thank you for assuming that it was ignored, but it was not.
	It was not ignored.
	And also, you sound crazy.
	It was sound, sounds crazy.
	Okay.
	That's your opinion.
	Is it sexist?
	Are you guys willing to admit that your position is sexist against men?
	Sexist?
	Against men, yeah.
	I think that my.
	Can you not be sexist towards men?
	No, you can be sexist towards men.
	Is it sexist?
	I wouldn't say it is because it's based off of experience.
	Okay, let me follow up with you on that.
	So let's say we replace man with let's let's do a black person.
	Does this question become racist?
	Like if you were to answer, I'd rather pick a bear over a black person.
	Is it a black girl?
	Because I'd pick the black girl.
	Absolutely not.
	No, it's just a random black person.
	So it could be it doesn't matter their race.
	If it is a man, I will choose the bear if it is racist.
	It is.
	But you can say that.
	You can say that if you want.
	Because a woman.
	But so let's say somebody.
	Let's say somebody picked the bear over black person.
	Is it racist?
	No.
	It is.
	I'm black.
	I'm black.
	But is it racist?
	No.
	That's not off of my experience.
	I don't feel that way, and I'm not part of the person.
	Okay, here.
	Let me explain it a little bit.
	So let's say somebody.
	I got a better way to do it.
	Let me just ask it, and then I'll pass it to you, Andrew.
	So I think that would be prejudice more than racist.
	Semantics.
	That's semantics.
	It saves you.
	Okay.
	It's different.
	So let's say, no, so somebody, let's say a white girl had three bad experiences with three different black men.
	And for this reason, she doesn't want to.
	She'd pick the bear over the black man.
	Is it racist?
	Because of her past experiences with black men.
	And she says, I don't care, even if it, even if, because you said earlier, even if it's a 1% chance, I still pick the bear over the man.
	But it was still a man that she picked versus.
	What?
	Hold on.
	I mean, it was still a bear that.
	Okay, she had one, she had two bad experiences with a black man and two bad experiences with a black woman.
	And collectively, she's deciding, I don't, I pick the bear over the black person because I've had prior bad experiences with black people.
	Is it racist?
	No, I think it would be racist if it was a white man versus a black man.
	Wait, if that were talking about race here, that would be a more parallel situation.
	Because if you put two people, no, if you put two people in a forest, if we're saying instead, if we swapped out the bear, if we wanted to make this really even, it would be racist if it was a white man in the forest versus a black man in the forest.
	And she said she picked the white over that for that reason, for that logic.
	But still picking a bear over a man, I.
	No, it's not a man, it's a black person.
	You said black man.
	A black person.
	No, I don't.
	I think the question you're trying to ask is: if we took your logic and applied that to other things, it would make no damn sense.
	So, back to what I was saying, real quick.
	I just think that it just wouldn't make no sense.
	What's being shown is, ladies and gentlemen, because I can't convince nobody here.
	People out there in YouTube, StreamYard land, this is why men are leaving because women are on board with each other despite logic and science.
	It's all about women, women, women, women.
	It doesn't have to make sense.
	It doesn't have to have any logic.
	It's women overall.
	And women who feel like that are not making it better for other women coming up.
	Because men want to be with women despite what it looks like, despite all the statistics.
	We do love you.
	We do want to be with you.
	But if you have this mentality, it's going to make men remove themselves from you in all areas.
	And I hate to bust your bubble, ladies.
	You need us.
	Excuse me.
	You do need us.
	There is a male loneliness epidemic that's going on, but that is not.
	Women over.
	But men are violent when they're in cells.
	Women over, like you can pull up the exact statistic because it is somewhere.
	I have it in front of me, but the female loneliness epidemic is almost on par with the male.
	They report being lonely at almost the exact same rates.
	People are lonely.
	Yes, but what I'm saying is women who are over a certain age, who are childless, who are not in a relationship, report to have the there.
	It's it's on the internet.
	I'm sure I don't have my phone, so I can't look up the exact thing, but I'm sure somebody's not.
	They report having heavier amounts of mental health issues.
	They report having heavier amounts of dissatisfaction.
	They report having heavier amounts.
	I think we're reading a very different survey.
	Well, I don't think so.
	What you're talking about is an article.
	What I'm talking about is the actual data, which is backing this up, not an article, which then mints to data.
	But this isn't just for women, right?
	This is men as well.
	When they get in their 30s or 40s and they're childless or don't have a family, they also report much higher dissatisfaction rates, higher frames of mental illness.
	They make less money.
	They have less incentives.
	They have less motivations.
	Basically, people need each other, right?
	That's the general motivation.
	If you were to look at this, though, I'd have to ask you this.
	I was listening to what you were saying, and I thought it made sense.
	But you said the thing that validates it is experience.
	And because it's experience, it's not really sexist.
	The thing that gets me with that is like, what if an employer was a man and he didn't want to ever hire women because he'd had really bad experiences with them?
	That couldn't be sexist, right?
	By that same logic, could it?
	And let her answer.
	Let her answer.
	That couldn't be sexist.
	What were the experiences?
	Were all of the women in his life?
	Let's say that several of them made false allegations and several of them underperformed and several of them that they had, but he had nothing but negative experiences with them.
	And since that is what informed him in his hiring practices and that was his experience, isn't he then justified in not hiring them?
	And wouldn't it not be sexist then?
	Because it's based on experience.
	So I'm going to have two parts and I would like if everyone could allow me to finish all the way before interrupting.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, sure.
	What I would say about that is it is sexist because we're talking about pay and underperforming is not the same as being essayed.
	As someone who's talking about pay.
	Yeah.
	We're just talking about hiring.
	Hiring.
	Yeah, hiring.
	If you're hiring someone, you're hiring them to pay them for a job that you're hiring them for.
	That has nothing to do with your relationship.
	You don't have to date them.
	You don't have to spend time with them.
	You don't have to date them.
	You don't have to do anything.
	You don't have to do anything with the man in the forest.
	But aren't you saying that they would be skeptical going into hiring women?
	Why wouldn't we be skeptical going into that?
	I'm just telling you, it's the same logic.
	That's what the same logic applied.
	So what I'm saying, though, is from personal experience, what I was explaining from personal experience as someone who has been essayed, I would rather take my own life than have that happen again.
	And what I'm saying is there is nothing worse for me in my opinion.
	This is my opinion.
	There is nothing that someone can do worse to you than that.
	I'm not disputing any of that.
	So what I'm saying is underperforming and having the worst thing done to you cannot even be equated in this situation.
	Wait, wait, well, let's back up, though, because I understand exactly what you're saying.
	And it makes total sense to me.
	This is the most horrific thing you could ever think of.
	And so you're going to select against that thing because this thing happening to you again, you'd rather anything else, including getting eaten by a bear, happen than the thing.
	I completely understand that.
	The question is not whether or not SA is really, really bad and you had a traumatic experience with it, though.
	The question is, is that it's sexist regardless of how it's informed?
	You said, no, it's not sexist because that is my experience.
	And it's like, okay, then if it's not sexist because it's your experience, then a man who was falsely accused of SA in his hiring, in his hiring practices, let's say, would be completely justified never hiring a woman again by the same logic because he says this is the worst thing.
	Hang on, I'm almost done.
	I just let you finish.
	He could use the same logic.
	He could say, I'd rather, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
	Nothing worse, I can never imagine anything worse than this.
	I'd rather anything happen than this again.
	So he refuses to hire a woman that's totally justified based on his experience.
	The same logic back to you.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	If that is the situation, initially you said underperforming and you listed a couple of things.
	Well, then it's not sexist.
	Yeah.
	So then he's not being sexist.
	If we're talking about that, then yeah, that wouldn't be sexist.
	Yeah, right.
	So then any man who's ever had a false allegation against him, right, and then refuses to hire women after that because of that false allegation, you think that's totally valid?
	I think that's valid, yes.
	Why put yourself in that woman?
	It's not sexist, right?
	Yeah.
	Don't put yourself in that situation.
	If I gave you a list of men who that's happened to, right?
	Like, well, I could name a couple, but the thing is, the point is, is that if I gave you a list of like Fortune 500 company executive CEOs who said that they want to advocate a policy that no more women get hired by their company because such a thing did happen to them.
	Are they working with them?
	Did you ever say that that was sexist, right?
	Well, that's different if it's if they're CEOs and they're completely detached from ever interacting with any of those women.
	I said it wouldn't be sexist for them to not want to work with those women.
	No, that's not what you said.
	But work, have those.
	I'm thinking of like a restaurant owner.
	I'm thinking of someone who has to have someone, they're hiring women and those women are directly working with them.
	That's what I envisioned when you said women work for them and hiring women because they're interacting with them and they don't want that.
	I would assume that based on what you told me your experience is, being anywhere near a situation which could potentially lead to that, which is what we're talking about, spawning into a forest with a random man or a random bear, right?
	Just the fact you said if it's even 1% that you would not choose that.
	The CEO of the company is saying the same thing.
	If it's even 1%, even though I'm detached from these people, I'm definitely not going to hire them.
	It's the same exact logic.
	No, because if you're the CEO, there is not even a 1% chance that you're going to interact with those people.
	You're not going, you're not going to be able to do it.
	No, no, no, no, you said if it's even, meaning if it was less than that, you still wouldn't take it.
	You said if it's anything, if it's any percentile.
	What the hell?
	The CEO is going into the same thing.
	I'm going to prove it to you.
	I'll prove it to you.
	Do you think, statistically, that a woman could accuse you of SA easier if you hire them or if you don't hire them?
	If Jeff Bezos hired me and then I accused him of that after never meeting him, I think it would be just as invalid if I was not hired by him.
	Actually, I think it would be more invalid because then it's like The whole point here is the disassociation.
	The idea here is this: it's not whether or not the chances would be unlikely for both, just which thing there'd be a higher chance for.
	In this case, of course, the chance would be higher that if a woman doesn't in any way or any capacity have anything to do with your company or you, her chance of accusing you of SA significantly go down versus her being closer to you.
	So, if that's the case, same logic as if there was any percentage at all that this could ever happen to me, I'm choosing the bear.
	And that's totally appropriate and not sexist.
	And the reason it's not sexist is because it comes from a place of experience.
	That would be the same thing for a CEO.
	Can I chime in?
	So, to be sexist, to be able to do that.
	Just finish real quick.
	We're almost done.
	Almost done with the exchange.
	I would just like to finish it real quick.
	Can you just speak to that real quick?
	Because it's the same logic.
	That's why I don't understand.
	I think that it's not the same logic only for the reason that you are physically in the company of one, and the CEO is not physically in the company or physically in danger of being in a compromising position with one of their 12,000, you know, 60,000 employees, whatever crazy number they do.
	If there's any percentage, if there wouldn't be a percentage if they never interacted with them, you would never do it.
	They would never interact with them.
	So, Brian asked you this.
	He asked you: He said, if the chances were, and he gave you a low say, He said, If there's any chance, if it's even 1%, if it's less than that, there's any chance at all that this could happen to you, then no, you're not doing it and you're picking the bear because this is the worst thing that could ever happen to you.
	The CEO was falsely accused.
	Okay, if he was falsely accused, even once, and then says, I'll never hire a woman again just because there could be a chance, and this is the worst thing that's ever happened.
	It's the same thing you just said.
	Okay, well, if we're going by that logic, then sure, he doesn't have to hire any woman for the company.
	With the bear situation, I said that even if it was a 1% chance, I would choose dying and not getting essayed over that 1% chance.
	My punishment or my penalty for taking that is death.
	His penalty for not hiring any woman is probably getting boycotted.
	So, yeah, you can do anything you want technically.
	We're all born with free will.
	But hold on, I do have to let a couple things come through here.
	Burmese Mountain Tiger gifted 50 subs.
	By the way, Burmese, I think I have.
	Oh, did I?
	I think you have a custom thing here.
	Let me just check one sec here.
	Brian, I got one out.
	I got a flight I got to catch in the morning.
	Oh, I thought you could stay until it's midnight, my time.
	Oh, your time.
	Hold on.
	Yep.
	Oh, shoot.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Sorry about that.
	I got to fly out tomorrow.
	Do you want to wrap up?
	Did you want to wrap up on anything or do you just have a heart out?
	Yeah, I do have a heart out.
	I got to get into four hours and do this.
	Guys, that's funny.
	It's very nice to meet you.
	I really enjoyed the spirited discussion.
	Andrew, thank you so much, man.
	Yeah, it was very nice to meet all of you in YouTube, sir.
	I hope you enjoy it.
	Yeah, I hope you guys enjoy the rest of your evening.
	Take care.
	Yeah, shoot us a raid, Andrew.
	Thank you for tuning in, man.
	Good luck with the Tim Cast thing or whatever.
	All right, man.
	Okay, hold on.
	I got to let a couple things come through, then we'll come back to the conversation.
	Burmese Mountain Tiger gifted 100 subs on Twitch.
	Dude, thank you so much, man.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Kendall Sanders became a member.
	And then let's see here.
	We had this one that already came through.
	We have a couple chats that came through.
	I have to read something from Andrew.
	If you're still listening, oh, he left.
	Okay, well, Millionaire Bachelor, he I'm not going to read your full message, but Andrew, your hit piece was weak as fuck.
	That's all I'll read for that millionaire.
	So, okay.
	And then we have three from Lucas.
	These came in a while ago, so it's about, I think, or wait, hold on.
	Let's see.
	Lucas, I was on the subway, NYC subway, heading to work the other day.
	A young woman was attacked.
	Not a single man even looked up to see what was going on, let alone help.
	A man is in his late 20s standing next to me.
	And then he says, by the way, Lucas, thank you so much for the messages.
	Appreciate it.
	Turned to me and said, looks like that bear's got to save her.
	Congratulations, ladies.
	You reap what you sow with the exception of my daughter, wife, and mother.
	You can literally be on fire in front.
	Hold on.
	And then there's another one.
	Looks like the bear's got to save her.
	Hey, man, chivalry is dead and the bear killed it, right?
	Okay.
	Burning to a crisp, and I wouldn't even piss on you.
	He's so upset.
	Wait, where is it?
	Wouldn't even piss on you to save your life.
	Your widespread, implicit vilification of men is abhorrent.
	You're a bunch of snot-nosed, delusionally entitled ingraits.
	You see, I was going to add and say that I changed my opinion with all the facts, but that was, you know, you're very kind of just, but I do change my answer because you guys fact-checked it, and I'm not going to sit here and be like, well, I'm this.
	No, I'm listening to your facts.
	And I respect that.
	That's all we want.
	Just don't fight logic.
	Because honestly, how I see it as it is, it's a people problem.
	It's not a women or men problem.
	It's a people problem.
	Thank you.
	Women can do it.
	Men can do it.
	We're all doing it to each other.
	We shouldn't do it.
	Thank you.
	Because the point is this right here.
	We should be trying to come together to some degree.
	These conversations and the top, this logic we have is only bringing separation because eventually men are just going to say, you got it.
	And you might find yourself in a situation where you might need a random man's help.
	But why would a random man help you when you say the things you say?
	So, hey, men have created this luxury where it created a world where women have the luxury to even critique men in these ways.
	But men even created that.
	They're speaking women about being provocative and wearing revolution.
	I mean, they do it.
	But that's.
	And how that's not your preference and stuff.
	But it's wrong.
	What that got to do with picking a bear over a man?
	No, I'm just saying that you were saying stuff about that.
	So why can't we have our opinions about things happening?
	You can have an opinion, but I'm talking about logic.
	What I'm saying is you dress in a certain way online based on women's complaints.
	I hear women saying, where's the guys at?
	So I'm addressing a plight, a gripe that you have.
	If that's your gripe, dress up.
	I don't hear men complaining about being picked over a bear.
	So it's not, that's not an issue we're having.
	Women are having issues with meeting good guys, meeting high-quality guys, or maybe not you, women, but a lot of women have that issue.
	So it's like, maybe you should dress a little different.
	Maybe you should be a little more reserved.
	Maybe you should be a little more modest to fit your complaint.
	Men are not complaining about being picked over a bear.
	Like, this is the scenario that women are saying.
	So I'm just dealing with the logic.
	It's logic in picking, telling a woman to cover herself up.
	Whether I'm in her life or not, that's good advice, whether she got a man in her life or not.
	But also, like, when women dress like that, they get more attention from men.
	So then that kind of confuses women.
	We both be pointing fingers at each other.
	We both do the part.
	It's all both sides.
	Like, we constantly point fingers.
	You know, people buy or guys buy porn, but we also provide the porn, you know, only fans and stuff like that.
	Okay, a couple things here to wrap up here on the whole man versus bear thing.
	Let's see, where do I hold on?
	Have any of you had a one-night stand?
	No.
	Never?
	Yes.
	It's just confusing to me, this whole bear thing.
	It's like the same women who go out, have a one-night stand, but you pick the bear.
	I don't know.
	That's confusing.
	What does that have to do with the bear?
	Because actually.
	You're literally putting yourself alone in the pen.
	I want to say you put yourself in a room with a stranger, so that's the same scenario.
	It's like the same exact scenario, but okay, how about this?
	A couple questions here.
	A couple different twists on the man versus bear thing.
	Let's see.
	Where is it?
	Hold on.
	It's a gay man.
	Does that change anything?
	If he's gay?
	Yes.
	If I know he's gay and he will not hurt me in that way, then absolutely.
	Trans woman.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Well, it's male.
	She's male.
	She's gay.
	She's a she.
	She's a she biologically a man.
	But male.
	If someone has that appendage, there is a penis.
	There's the penis.
	But it's a trans woman with a penis.
	What is their sexual orientation when it comes to wanting to have sex with women?
	So would they want to have sex with women?
	Yes.
	But he still got the thing.
	Still got the thing.
	No, I feel like they're random.
	You just have to do it.
	No, that would make them gay.
	Wait.
	Make them a man.
	This is where we're all going.
	And I'm really confused.
	No, this isn't.
	It should.
	Your answer should be.
	She's straight.
	So she likes men.
	Even if they are gay, it should be the same, but I get where you're trying to deal with.
	Okay, fine.
	A lesbian trans woman.
	As long as they're not sexually attracted to me in any way, in any capacity, then you don't know.
	You don't know, but it's a lesbian trans woman.
	Wait.
	So they still have to transfer.
	They still should be aroused.
	Still have a penis.
	Penis still there.
	But you're saying that they would identify at that point as straight.
	No.
	They still have a penis.
	Identifies as a woman.
	But so they would identify as gay, but they're lesbian.
	For me, it doesn't matter what they, if they are attracted to women in any capacity, I would choose the bear.
	Wait, even a woman?
	Wait, sorry.
	Like a woman shorter than me that I could overtake.
	Maybe that's gonna take advantage of her.
	No, no.
	How dare you, bitch?
	I'll show you.
	But the thing is.
	Wait, do you think that's actually?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	This is kind of dark, but do you think it's like actually happened?
	Like somebody tried to like essay somebody, but then like they underestimated their victim, and then they're like, I'm going to show you.
	And then they like got them back.
	Actually, I feel like there was like a fighter chicks like that.
	We had a video on that.
	Like a fighter.
	I think this happened.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Some like MMA fighter got attacked and she's like.
	Yeah, you're about to get fucked up.
	Okay, wait.
	Can I ask a question?
	Because you just said anyone that likes women, you would choose a bear.
	So like if I spawned.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Here's the thing.
	For me, it's really the appendage that I have an issue with that because it's the penetration.
	It's really the penetration aspect that has me in picking the bear.
	Because it's really just penetration.
	So, yeah.
	Even if they like girls.
	I mean, even if they didn't like women, they like men.
	They're a natural trait, though, too.
	So trans woman.
	It's like, are you picking a human over a bear now?
	No, I'm like, I'm like, a girl, I would pick a girl over a bear, but I wouldn't pick a man over a bear because there's the appendage attack.
	Even if he identifies as a woman, you still would keep that same option, is what you're saying.
	Like, even if he's a man that identifies as a woman, but he still has a penis, you will still pick.
	You wouldn't pick him up.
	If he was sexually attracted to women, if she was then sexually attracted to women, he wasn't.
	He was not.
	Then no, then it would be fine.
	But even with the appendix, no, no, I'm saying.
	Listen, listen, I'm gonna make it clear.
	A man that identifies as a woman, but he still has a penis, but he doesn't, but he's not attracted.
	But he's not attracted to women.
	He's attracted to, he's attracted to men, but he still has a penis.
	But that's, but that's, but that's fine because then it would be the same situation as a gay man.
	They're not attracted to me.
	They wouldn't want to hurt me.
	But they still have the penis.
	But I feel like they don't have sexual gratification from the pendants.
	I don't agree.
	I don't agree.
	So if we're going to say, if we're going to say all men, it would unfortunately have to include trans because they could do anything.
	I mean, just because you have a penis, you have a penis.
	Yeah, but you could do any of the gay man is a gay man.
	It's about female.
	It's about feminism.
	No, because a gay man's not going to attack you.
	Well, you don't know that, though.
	You don't know that.
	If they're actually, if they're actually, but in this perfect circumstance, in this perfect world, not going off of what someone says, we know you proved their theory.
	Hold on, I got some more scenarios.
	It's not a perfect world.
	I got more scenarios.
	We're talking about a perfect hypothetical.
	More scenarios.
	More scenarios.
	Okay, here's the scenario.
	10 men or 10 bears.
	10 bears.
	10 bears.
	Oh, man.
	That's even crazy.
	I'm out.
	I'm done.
	I'm good, man.
	Check me.
	Would I rather be?
	Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	10 bears.
	So in the scenario, like, I feel like in the scenario where it's one man, it's like, well, you're probably thinking, well, okay, he can get away with it.
	But like, in society, what happened, like, men are not, like, cheering on like grapists.
	In fact, I can even prove this if you look at, for example, the prison system, right?
	If a man, like, if a man on the outside gets convicted of like essaying a woman, or even worse, like, if it's like any sort of like children are involved, he's got a fucking target on his back.
	And even men who are criminals, criminals, and you would question their moral compass, their ethics, these men will kill that person.
	They'll kill that person in the jail.
	So even among criminals, this idea of this, there's this grape culture or whatever, even among criminals, they're like, these people are targets for violence and for kids to literally kill them.
	And let me ask you a question.
	I'm going to ask you a question.
	What is the ultimate potential positive scenario from 10 bears as opposed to the ultimate potential of a positive scenario from 10 men?
	Like, what's the best a bear can do compared to the best a man can do?
	Of course.
	So when I first said my answer, I've pretty much in my mind, I, with the first answer, one bear, one man, I've considered the possibility that yes, I could get away from a bear, but I've also accepted that I might die from that bear and that that's also a high possibility.
	And that's fine because I would rather die than be essayed.
	I would rather die quickly by many bears tearing me apart than be penetrated by 10 different men.
	That's not what I asked you.
	What I ask you is, what's the ultimate potential of the positive scenario of a bear versus quicker?
	The ultimate potential of a positive scenario with the male.
	In other words, we're taking away him, the bear killing you, and we're taking away the man essaying you.
	Who outweighs who when it comes to the best scenario?
	What I'm saying is the best case scenario of the 10 bears versus the 10 man is that the 10 bears quickly kill you.
	So what's the best case?
	Oh, I don't think I'm saying what I'm saying.
	It's also possible they just leave you alone.
	Yeah, it's also normal.
	What's the best one, though?
	I got a really good one.
	They also ignore you.
	They can actually help you.
	They can be your friend.
	I'm just saying, I don't think y'all understood the question.
	What about 100 men or 100 bears?
	Oh, my God.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	If there's 100 men, then maybe there is a possibility.
	Oh, no, no, no, wait, wait.
	I can even go back to the 10.
	So earlier, the percentage you said is 15%.
	So that's saying 85%.
	So let's just say it's two of the men, they're trying to get you, and then the other 8% of the men would never harm you in any single way.
	So you would have, even using your own statistics, you would have to grant that those eight other men, like, and they're all witnesses to this.
	If those two men tried to target you, those eight other men, you got to be realistic, they would come to your defense.
	Okay.
	Right?
	In every situation, except for any sports team or like hold on, hold on.
	Yes.
	It's not a sports team.
	Okay, yes.
	What I'm saying, though, is women.
	Is that like NFL hockey?
	What is it?
	What I'm saying, what I'm saying is it depends on if they're random or if they're buddies, because if it's 10 buddies, absolutely not.
	I'll pick the 10.
	I still think I, even if they're buddies, so you think when men congregate?
	Here's the thing.
	So based on this logic, I just want to get to the bottom of this.
	So based on your logic, when men congregate, there's a likelihood that we're just going to go raping and pillaging.
	It's usually raping and pillaging?
	Okay.
	Every single time that I have been disappointed morally by people in my life who are men, it's when they were together with other men.
	Never when they're with women.
	It's when they get together with their buddies, with their bros, and they make horrible, heinous, despicable choices.
	That is what happens in my life.
	I'm not arguing that men do a lot of dumb stuff, but does it turn into SA, though?
	Men might want to jump off a building and do like parkour with some crocodiles.
	But I'm talking about SA.
	When I was in high school, the, I think it was the soccer team.
	No, it was the baseball team.
	The baseball team decided to sneak a girl onto the bus and they sexually assaulted her.
	Bus driver did nothing.
	And I don't even know how she ended up on the bus, but all I know is that she had to change schools after that because the amount of humiliation and what they did to her.
	And no, she was not a willing participant.
	And no, she did not want to go onto the bus, but it was for a sleepaway thing.
	And they, yeah, they smuggled her on there and they took her against her will.
	Okay, so back to my other question.
	Is there more?
	I mean, listen, I get it.
	Is there more?
	I just feel like there's more positive scenarios with the man as opposed to.
	I think the best thing the bear can do is just leave you alone.
	The best thing a man can do is a lot of things.
	He can help you out.
	Y'all can like each other.
	You can be friends.
	You can actually build something in the forest.
	I can build stuff my kitchen table.
	But we're saying, we're talking about as opposed to a bear.
	You don't need men?
	I literally, I'm the handyman in my house.
	Not my.
	When you talk about the bears.
	Do you think society needs men?
	Well, the society needs women and men.
	That being said, in my life, personally speaking, I can survive in a forest without a man.
	Absent replication and having children, removing that component.
	Do you think society needs men more than women?
	I don't think one is needed more than the other.
	Yeah, I don't think that one is needed.
	You guys are just totally ignorant of the, like, just the reality of men's involvement in certain professions that are like integral to the and how many inventions that were taken credit by men that actually were created by women.
	I mean, this is a total, actually.
	This is a tilt of rail men.
	Even if I grant you that some men took, I mean, well, that's such a ridiculous response to my point.
	But so, going back to my thing, so you won't even acknowledge that men have higher representation in certain key fields when it comes to infrastructure in this country?
	I was raised by.
	Are you going to answer the question or just give us an anecdote?
	Well, why don't you wait for her to answer the question?
	Based on Feminists, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	I was actually raised in a very non-feminism, toxic, like Southern Baptist background.
	Okay, but all of that being said, I was raised by my father that I do not need a men in any capacity.
	Other people around me tried to constantly say that I needed to have men for one reason or another, and that was always.
	But my dad taught me how to do everything that I need to do to survive in the woods, in the city, anywhere.
	I can do it.
	I can fix my car.
	I can build things.
	That was a great non-answer.
	Can you answer my question?
	I can acknowledge that men have provided a lot to infrastructure, but that doesn't mean that I need one in my life.
	It doesn't mean that I need one in my life.
	Yeah, but you need it by proxy.
	Like, are you saying on an individual, like, I don't need a husband?
	Yeah, I don't need a husband.
	I love my partner, and he provides greatness to my life, but I am okay with or without a man is what I'm saying.
	But the fact that you have that idea is because a man made it, allowed the world to be that way for you to even come to that conclusion.
	You go back 200, 300 years, you wouldn't be able to say that.
	A man made it so comfortable for you to not need a man.
	I would say women also made that by all of their sacrifices, women's suffrage, pretty much anything that my dad has as a viewpoint that was positive for me is also a direct result to what his family and his upbringing is and their upbringing.
	You're talking from a, like I keep saying, it's not about us individually.
	We're talking about for the whole world.
	It is.
	The average woman can't take care of herself without no man.
	We're not talking about paying the bills.
	We're not talking about the luxury that men have afforded where you can be get paid to press buttons on the computer.
	We're talking about in the real world.
	If the grid shut down right now, I'm sorry.
	If the grid shut down right now, you couldn't be a model.
	You couldn't be, because some of these jobs were made out of men's advances in society.
	So now you feel like you have value because you can be a marketing rep or something like that.
	That's not even a real job in reality.
	Like, even what I'm, no, even what I'm doing, I do content.
	That's not a real job in reality.
	We have luxuries where we can create jobs.
	If the grid went down and it was just water, shelter, and human aggression, what value would women have more than men in that scenario?
	We're quieter, stealthier.
	Honestly, I don't understand this, like what you're trying to do.
	You understand?
	It's very clear.
	You might not like it, but you understand.
	I don't understand the point of bringing it up, I suppose.
	But what I am going to do is.
	Is that what you guys want us to say?
	That we need men?
	I don't like it.
	I feel like I need a man.
	I didn't know.
	That is a bad women who do just want to be a bad person.
	No, we're not trying to solve.
	It's not about solving because we can't fix women.
	We're displaying a mindset that men are talking about.
	It's not about fixing anything.
	We need men.
	Men have their mind made up.
	That's how they are just.
	You said both.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, you said both.
	What did you say?
	I'm just saying if the grid, I'm just saying, the grid went down, it would just like she has certain survival skills.
	She's talking about what she has.
	Do you have those survival skills?
	Maybe I'll start a fifth one.
	Maybe I'll start a club.
	You can survive in the woods with nothing?
	That's really cool that you guys can.
	I don't even know if I could, but I'll guess y'all good.
	It's really cool that you guys can do that and like be able to take on what man roles, you know, that you're saying.
	But like, wouldn't it be nice just to have a male do some of the things that like you have to do of what you say?
	Like, does that make sense?
	I cannot.
	Wouldn't it be like a compliment to have a stronger, more fitted man for certain roles?
	Like, it's just, we need men just as much as women, or vice versa.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, it's great that you can do all those things, but I just think that, like, we shouldn't hate on men just because we can do those things and we can prove those things.
	Like, what are you trying to prove?
	Are you trying to be by yourself for the rest of your life?
	No, no.
	And a man told you you could do it.
	That's what gave you confidence in.
	A need and a want is two different things, though.
	I mean, I'm sure women want men, but needing and wanting something is two different things.
	Why?
	You don't need them.
	Why?
	Because you're thinking about the fact that you can pay your bills alone.
	I'm not talking about financial.
	If things hit the fan, you are fucked, sweetheart.
	All of some men are fucked.
	There's some men that can't survive in the woods.
	I can speak for it first.
	Let's be honest.
	So, sweetheart, you mean to tell me if you was in the woods right now with nothing, you just can just find foliage and survive and off of dirt and grub.
	So that would go back to experience because I was a girl scout.
	So that's why I'm not even speaking on that because I could.
	I personally could.
	No, I really could.
	Like, I could.
	Well, when I see these shows, like, stranded and all that, the women be tapping out ASAP.
	So that's a show.
	It's a reality-based show.
	Like, come on.
	I don't even think I could do it that well.
	There was a show where they put a group of men on an island and a group of women on the island.
	And these were like, you know, they knew what they were getting into.
	I would argue like the average woman is not going to want to go through that sort of experience.
	And she doesn't have like the requisite survival skills to do that.
	So this was like a group of survivalist men and like survivalist women.
	And the women, they couldn't start a fire.
	They needed to essentially like the show, the producers had to basically go in within three days and rescue them.
	Otherwise, they were going to die.
	And the men were like kicking it, fucking the cabana or whatever the fuck, you know, they were chilling.
	Okay, it's a show.
	It's a show, and that's some people's experience, but not every, no?
	Yeah, it'd be worse.
	No one said it was fake.
	So hold on.
	Yes, it's a show.
	It's even worse if we were to just to randomly pluck out like a hundred women from the general population, throw them on the island versus willing participants in this sort of thing.
	So it's like, there's just a difference in like a huge variety of things here.
	I think the original question.
	The original question was, do men, are women need men?
	And I think the answer to that is no, they don't need men, air quote.
	They don't need men.
	Could everyone, can you let me finish?
	Because you guys always say, let me finish, let me finish.
	Go ahead.
	Now, would every woman survive and be able to have all of these skills that are necessary?
	No.
	But are there some women?
	Let me finish, please.
	Let me finish.
	What does the word need mean?
	Can you let me finish?
	One thing, one thing.
	Can you let me finish?
	One thing and I'll let you.
	Can you let me finish?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	One thing and I'll let you finish here.
	Hold on.
	Just to be clear, you're talking about survival.
	So like life or death.
	Yeah, I think the operative word need is kind of important as it pertains to survival, but go ahead.
	Okay, what I was saying was that no, we do not collectively need you.
	There are women that do have those skills that we could support if you're so wrong.
	It's about power.
	It's not about logic.
	It's not about cowards.
	Can you let me finish?
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	You can't be wrong or collectively because their opinion.
	Let's just reverse it.
	Are there men that have all of those skills?
	Can you let me finish?
	But I just admitted we're going to be able to do it.
	No, it's too hard.
	I'm sorry.
	We need men.
	Men are great.
	Yes, yes, I admit.
	Do no wrong.
	Yay!
	Yay, no, no.
	Great.
	They're great.
	Yay!
	Their way of thinking is so perfect.
	We do a lot of wrong.
	Wait, hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Let's talk.
	Go ahead.
	If you flip this and reverse it, men do not have all of these skills.
	Yes, I just missed the elegator.
	Men do not have all these skills either.
	They don't have all these skills.
	That's why I heard the word survive.
	Right?
	Can you let me finish this?
	But I said that.
	I want to say he did say in the beginning, I need women.
	And I also said some men can't survive in that scenario either.
	Can you let me know?
	You just want to be right.
	Hold on.
	Just verify.
	Let her go.
	Let's get her.
	It's a power struggle.
	It ain't about logic.
	No, sorry, shut the fuck up.
	Hey, there we go.
	Bring it on.
	Come on.
	I know.
	You don't need us, right?
	Guys, guys, guys.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Don't say that.
	You can't shut up your connection.
	That's what you're taking.
	Guys, guys, thank you.
	Stop saying that.
	Hey, guys, We have been interrupting her.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	This is the logic.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, guys, guys.
	Everybody, give her a minute.
	Uninterrupted minute.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you.
	And please don't say anything.
	So what I was saying.
	Turn to the bike.
	Just fix your mic.
	Oh, sorry.
	What I was saying is that neither men or women would have all of the skills necessary.
	But women would be able to support each other and women could continue the race, or the population, sorry, without men.
	How would we actually let it?
	We can't either reproduce.
	We can't just get ourselves pregnant, though.
	Okay, we're getting like far in the middle.
	Sperm banks?
	Are you talking about sperm banks?
	But without men, we wouldn't have sperm banks.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, no, I'm not.
	I'm not talking about scientific experience.
	There's existing sperm banks.
	No, I'm not talking about existing sperm banks.
	You mean, how would you continue the species, though?
	No, I read about.
	No, no, no, no.
	Oh, my God.
	I read it.
	Let her talk.
	Let her talk.
	Yes, I read about the study that they're developing where women could have babies.
	And I think it was, I don't know if it was developed for lesbians specifically or what, but I don't know if it's 100% complete yet.
	But it's a scientific experience.
	I mean, the fact that this exists today.
	Women can asexually reproduce.
	I'm not 100% sure.
	Yeah, no, you actually sort of can, but it's guaranteed to be a female.
	It's in vitro.
	No, it sort of.
	I still think we need men, to be honest.
	But the fact that we promote a dragon, even if we're not.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm just saying, because it's like I said, I made it clear.
	I said it in this statement.
	I said, there are even some men that would not survive in the woods.
	Did y'all hear me say that?
	So I don't think that every man can do it, but it's a difference between feeling and design.
	We're designed to do it.
	So even though a man may not know, his body is more equipped to learn it and develop that skill quicker than you are.
	But from your perspective, and you represent many women in the West, it's not about what makes sense.
	It's about power.
	And it's about proving to yourself that you don't need men after men created a world where you don't need them.
	Men made the world a way so you don't have to need a man because you have jobs where you can just type and get paid.
	You can do all these things that are basically strictly based on technology that gives you a false sense of superiority and power.
	That if those things were removed from you, you would not win.
	They had an exhibition, Clarissa Shields, she's a great boxer.
	She got knocked out by an amateur man.
	She's a professional boxer.
	She got knocked out by an amateur man because it's a difference between what society tells you versus what you naturally are.
	I don't care how you feel what type of bell hooks books you wrote.
	You're not designed to lead anything but yourself, period.
	But you could tell yourself what you want.
	But when she hit the fan, we're going to see who could do what.
	Because it's hitting the fan right now.
	Thank God is a few.
	How old are you?
	25.
	God bless you.
	How old are you?
	23.
	How old are you?
	Exactly.
	23 years old and 34 thinking like that.
	That's crazy.
	Oh, you knew my age, though.
	The fact that, because I want you to say it, though.
	That's crazy.
	They're younger, they're younger than you when that's just.
	We're talking about technological advancements a lot right now for conversation.
	I talked about nature.
	But no, we were talking about infrastructure, technological advancements.
	There's a lot of technological advancements, especially within medicine, that was credited and has now been recredited to women that was originally credited to men.
	Kind of giving lots of lots of medical advancements.
	We're initially giving credit to men, but it was really their subordinates, which were women, who created it and are now getting the credit that they deserve.
	Fake news.
	It's absolutely fake news.
	The function of society, the current function of society, we do need men.
	That is my opinion.
	Well, to reproduce, yes, absolutely.
	No, no, no, not even, no, not even that.
	The function of the society we have today, sanitation, welding, underwater fucking jobs.
	No women.
	You know, I can't fucking overgeneralize all women.
	I have a friend in underwater welding.
	That's the men.
	Wow, the one.
	No, good.
	Good for you.
	We got an infographic.
	But here's the thing.
	But here's the thing.
	Baby, I don't give a fuck.
	She doesn't give a fuck.
	I know.
	Like, yes, of course, there can be women that appreciate and like this job.
	Statistically and logically looking at it, though, we value that men are an asset to the function of society that us majority of women want.
	Need.
	And I would hate to say because I don't, yeah.
	This is a power thing with them.
	It's not about logic.
	It's about we don't need you.
	It's a power play.
	It has nothing to do with logic.
	It's just they want to see men fall at the behest of women.
	Some women, they will never see it.
	I don't think that to be true.
	That's my opinion.
	I've never said that men were not an asset or that they're not important.
	But what we were saying, sorry, I don't mean to speak for you.
	What I was saying was that men weren't necessary in your whatever you just said.
	Exactly.
	There was a point brought up.
	It was stupidity.
	I bet it was.
	I know.
	I know.
	There was a point brought up to like, because I would hate as a woman to hear this to say, like, oh, the only thing we need you to do is reproduce.
	That would make me see right if a man said that.
	So to say that to a man is crazy, in my opinion, to say that you're only here to reproduce.
	Oh, no.
	Like, you know, like that's crazy.
	We're talking about in a hypothetical.
	We were talking in a hypothetical situation.
	I know, but if the hypothetical was because men we only need men to reproduce is actually a crazy thought.
	What was they saying women are for, though?
	That's literally.
	The thing is, that never left his mouth.
	They just said you're not physically capable of doing what we're doing.
	But I said, I said, we need you.
	And I also said men can't, some things men can't even do that other men can do.
	So I acquiesce to both of those things.
	And I'm not into the power struggle.
	I'm into logic, what makes sense.
	Women can't do everything that men do, and men can't do everything women can do.
	Let's pull up the infographic.
	Can you pull that up, Damien?
	All right.
	Oh, can you hear?
	Open up.
	Can you do right-click, open the new tab on the image?
	We're going to get that going here in just a sec, guys.
	We have a quick infographic we're going to pull up.
	Guys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
	Like the video.
	And you got it?
	Okay.
	Make it bigger, please.
	All right.
	Top 20 most dangerous U.S. occupations and percentage male.
	Logging workers, 95% male.
	Fishing workers, 99.9%.
	Aircraft pilots, 94.
	Roofers, 98.
	Refuse, so garbage collectors, 91.
	Truck drivers, 94.
	Iron and steel workers, 98.
	Farmers and ranchers.
	This is where you get your food.
	75 agricultural workers, 79% recycled recycling recycle.
	Oh my god, I can't speak English.
	Recyclable materials workers, 91.
	Mining, this includes oil and gas, 99.9%.
	Landscaping, 95.
	Construction workers, 97.
	Cement and concrete.
	Make me smaller, please.
	Cement and concrete manufacturing, 97.
	No, I just.
	What?
	Our faces are in the way.
	We're blocked.
	So make us smaller on the right small, right small.
	Yeah, then you got it.
	Okay.
	So did I say cement and concrete manufacturing, electrical power line workers, 99.
	Police, 85.
	Maintenance and repair workers, 97.
	Taxi drivers, whatever.
	Oh, great.
	I'm going to get canceled by the taxi association.
	Support activities for mining, 99%.
	Mining, except oil and gas, 99%.
	So, okay, like these are critical infrastructure jobs.
	Majority men, like it would be to total societal collapse if all men disappeared.
	World War II happened.
	How's that relevant?
	All of the men went to war, and who picked up the slack?
	Who worked in the steel?
	There were still men doing those jobs.
	Women picked up all the slack.
	Yeah, but there are some women who are the scenario that I'm kind of thinking about in my head here is that like you snap your fingers.
	So women don't have the requisite amount of time to like do the preparation and get the women in these fields in order to be like representative and have enough there to actually enter them.
	So because these fields are currently predominated by men, if you snapped your fingers and women didn't have the time to like, you had 20 years to prepare for all men disappearing, if it just happened like instantly, you guys would be fucked.
	It would be difficult.
	No, but we would have to count on that one.
	If it hadn't professed, but it wouldn't be impossible.
	What he was saying is that we would not survive.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	Hold on.
	Let me give a couple clarifying things here.
	So in either scenario, let's say all men die, all women die.
	Either scenario, it's the end of the human species eventually.
	Both scenarios, if all men survive, all the women are gone, it's the end of the species.
	All the men disappear, women are still there, end of the species.
	For either one.
	However, I think there's a differential here.
	It's not to like dunk on women.
	It's just like the sheer, undisputable, incontrovertible, incontrovertible.
	Is that the word?
	Controvertible?
	It's something like that.
	That's okay.
	Reality of just the fact that men are so enmeshed in like critical infrastructure jobs that uphold like the society at large.
	Women are not represented in these jobs in significant amount of numbers.
	Where if there was some like scenario where all men disappeared, there wouldn't be enough women to fill it.
	And like the cascading and domino effect of just the catastrophe that would happen if you had all men disappear who are making sure every single hour, every single day that there isn't some like massive shit hits the fan situation, everything would just start collapsing.
	Water, sewage, electricity, gas, fuel refinement, garbage collection, telecommunications, IT infrastructure, road maintenance, all these things, truck and delivery drivers.
	Your food's gone.
	Your water's gone.
	Your electricity's gone.
	Without these things, people are going to starve.
	There's going to be fires.
	There's going to be all kinds of probably criminal crimes occurring.
	That's kind of to the side, though.
	Yeah, it's going to be like, it's going to suck for men.
	They'll live to old age.
	The women, I'd say like 50% of women are dead within three weeks.
	I'm not saying that's like dunk on the women.
	It's just the reality of the representation infrastructure.
	Talking about is like these job fields that are predominantly men.
	But what we are seeing is that a lot of women who, you know, regardless of whether or not some of us like that or dislike that, we're in a more masculine era.
	A lot more women are open to being in these job fields and wanting to be in these job fields.
	And so maybe right now, that is a high potential that we would fail.
	But maybe in 10, 20 years' time, that's not going to be the same situation.
	Because they're going to evolve and become like supermen, women, right?
	No, I think that more women will go into workforces that are predominantly men because now there's more of a space.
	It's a necessity, not a choice.
	Thank you.
	Men gave us choice.
	Thank you.
	I got a lot of people.
	Men gave women.
	They took choice away.
	That's life isn't fair.
	I know.
	I know women that do that type of work, and she don't want to do it.
	She does it out of necessity because she has a younger child.
	So women are getting into these fields because they're having children, they don't have them, and they don't have a man there.
	So it's not what they want to do.
	Because right now, with all that stuff, you know, guess what you're doing?
	You're a bottle.
	You're not out there saving Smokey to bear.
	So even with all those skills you got, you don't want to do that shit.
	So it sounds good to win an argument, but we love to win these arguments.
	But people are really listening to us.
	So let's ask this question.
	What would be more advantageous for a woman to listen to what you're talking about or to try to find her place into what we're talking about in reality?
	It may feel good.
	It may feel good and sound good on the view and all that type of shit.
	But real women who try to do that is going to fail because that's not what they want to do.
	Women want to be pretty.
	They want to be soft.
	And that's dope.
	Ain't nothing wrong with it.
	There's a power in being feminine.
	But feminism has told you that the power is in mimicking men.
	So they need to just change the word and stop calling it feminism because ain't nothing feminine about it.
	All they want to do is compete with men.
	That shit is stupid.
	Okay, feminism is about choice.
	Some of us choose to have a more soft approach and some of us choose to have a more masculine approach.
	Because men have afforded you the ability to do that.
	Most women don't want to do that shit.
	Are you going to cut anything?
	No, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you.
	What I was saying is that feminism is the opportunity to choose.
	It's to choose what you want for yourself and that life.
	If you want to be a stay-at-home mom, that is your choice.
	And that's a valid choice.
	And all the power to you, girl.
	Like, I love that for you.
	I do.
	But that has to be your choice.
	It can't be someone forcing you into that position.
	If you want to be a stay-at-home mom, that is your choice.
	And that should be your choice, not someone forcing you or financially manipulating you or whatever it is into that decision.
	And feminism, real feminism, supports every woman's choice, not just the harder, more masculine.
	What I'm talking about in a lot of these things that we were, these topics that we were talking about, is my personal experience.
	I think I have a pretty balanced, a pretty balanced mix of feminine and soft energy.
	I mean, feminine and hard energy based off of all of my life experiences combined.
	That's going to be different for every woman.
	I'm not trying to push my choices for what I want onto some other woman.
	But what I'm saying is my choices and my opinions are valid for my experience and for my life.
	And I respect that.
	But unfortunately.
	Men, Birdman, donated $200.
	I'll have you respond.
	This is the dumbest dump to have ever dumped.
	Men and women are complementary, so maybe complement each other instead of acting like opponents.
	But choosing a bear over a man is dumb too.
	Yo, Birdman, thank you for the $200 TTS.
	We also have another one coming in here in just a sec.
	Sorry for the delay on that, Birdman.
	We have a bit of a moderation delay.
	But thank you so much for the TTS, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	We have just Gerald here.
	Thank you.
	Just Gerald donated $200.
	Not one woman at this table could last a month working construction in the death grip of an Alaskan winter.
	Or survive for a month without electricity.
	Or last a week on the oil fields.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Gerald, really appreciate it.
	Somebody in my DM sent me, he works in infrastructure, and he said, he said, in the better part of a decade working in critical infrastructure, you know how many women I've encountered who deal with major outage, excuse me, major outages at 2 a.m., zero.
	Every engineer, manager, vendor, other experts, and boots on the ground dealing with a huge problem at stupid o'clock, all men, which is why we get paid more money than working a nine-to-five job.
	That's what he wrote.
	What do you guys get from being so defensive about acknowledging that men and women are supposed to be complementary in society and there is a necessity for them?
	Why you guys get so what do you gain from it?
	For me, I'm not saying that men and women aren't complementary or that men and women don't need each other.
	I just fought against that.
	Yes, because he was saying in his little speech that women cannot survive without men.
	And I was trying to point out that there is a possibility that we can survive without a possibility that I could fly.
	You guys have survived that.
	What is the benefit for men wanting to point all of this out to, and if we're going to flip all of this?
	Just being factual.
	Well, these, a lot of, a lot of these facts and a lot I'll just say this right now.
	When I was DM'd regarding this opportunity, I was anticipating that it was going to be a dating podcast.
	And honestly, honestly, all of these questions have been very targeted.
	So for, I think, I'm not going to speak on your part, but on me, what I was told this was going to be is very different from what it is.
	I mean, feminism is like massive parts about.
	But there's a million other things that are going on in the dating world, especially what I was referred to was the dating world here in LA.
	And this is nothing really we're talking about is exclusive to LA or exclusive to LA dating culture.
	Like a lot of the things that is what I was interpreting this was going to be about kind of seems like it's all from the male's perspective and the male's perspective on dating.
	So that's seven women at the table.
	Yes, but the answers.
	I'm aware, but it's all of the questions that you're asking and that have been asked so far.
	It's like the man and the bear, all the viral things that have gone on that have gotten men and women into arguments.
	We're not talking, I feel like these questions are made to get some aggressive feelings, and it's not necessarily like we're having fun.
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	I think it highlights a huge issue in the dating society is people that are so aggressive as females.
	I want to say I changed my answer and their role in hyper-feminists.
	And it can go the other way too.
	Also, I mean, like, didn't mean to cut you off there, but I do think a big part of like one of the big things when it comes to dating is like, do we have the same values?
	And there's like, I think that's pretty important.
	So I don't think these things are totally beyond the pale in terms of because if you flip this and put women in front of men, now we would have a problem with it.
	We genuinely would.
	We can't say that we couldn't because me, if I heard it, I'd be like, you're being sexist.
	If we're doing the same thing, we're being sexist.
	Like, we are.
	People need to hear this because, like I said, we got to stop speaking from just our personal perspective.
	Like, like me, that brother who was talking about what he went through in the woman with the girl, I wouldn't have done that, but he's not like me.
	So, I would rather give information that's more digestible by the average person.
	The average woman doesn't want to do these survival scenarios.
	So, just to pretend to say it's possible just to get a point for the woman team is a power play more so than something beneficial for women because women are high-minded.
	Even men doing these podcasts, you'll be surprised how many people will watch this and say, That's what it is, and it's not what it is.
	So, why not speak from the general consensus and not just speak from these nuanced perspectives?
	We just showed you a chart with damn near 99, not 94.
	99% of most old jobs were taken by men.
	What's the argument?
	There is no argument, and it's okay.
	It doesn't mean men are better than women, but why can't we be honest and say, Hey, I know how to do a lot of stuff with my hands, but the average woman doesn't want to do that?
	That doesn't mean you're weak, it actually means you're strong because admitting vulnerability is a strength, it's not a weakness.
	What say that you can improve that you can do these hard jobs?
	Like, what is the end goal of you proving that you can do all of these hard tasks that men can do?
	That we're talking in this entire podcast, we've been talking about hypothetical situations, right?
	And that's what we're talking on.
	And then, the moment that I say my opinion of a hypothetical situation, it's oh, well, you hate men.
	We're not talking, I'm not talking about all men, and I'm not talking about you know it, whether or not I value men in the workfield.
	Okay, yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying anything, I'm not saying anything about that, but can I jump in really quick?
	So, you said not all men, but you said even if the chance is 1%, I'm willing to throw 99% of men under the bus for the bear for that in that situation because the only person I'm hurting is myself in that.
	I don't go around my daily life insulting men or being mean to men.
	But if I had the situation that was a hypothetical, I would choose that situation for myself, and that's perfectly valid for me to choose that for myself.
	That being said, I don't go around my daily life and demasculine, you know, whatever it is that is this kind of narrative amongst feminists that we hate men.
	I love men, okay?
	I have no problem with men.
	That being said, I do hate women.
	I don't think they said that.
	I have so many male friends.
	That being said, a random guy who I can't vet, who I don't know anything about, is very different from a friend.
	And I want to say something real fast.
	Like, just because like you just pointed fingers at them, they just pointed fingers at you, is what you thought.
	Like, it is, we, it's hard to explain, but we're just sitting here pointing fingers at each other and trying to literally just claim the power.
	Like, that's good that women can do these hard jobs, but like, why is there such a big movement of all of the women doing all of the hard jobs and all of the women being able to do the masculine things?
	Like, what is the movement?
	What is like the behind like motive of no one's trying to claim any power?
	We were just trying to answer a hypothetical question.
	Yeah, well, she was saying that they were saying that they were saying that you hate men, and you literally just said that they practically hated women, right?
	I don't think anyone is saying that they hate women.
	We hated men are women.
	I think you hate women.
	I think the topics are very, like, kind of seeming to be like a little one-sided.
	I do agree with her.
	These topics are very, like, one-sided.
	Like, at a point where I'm just like, you know what?
	You got it.
	You got it.
	Be great.
	W, Yes.
	At this point, I'm not even going.
	I'm just sitting back because it's like, it's very one-sided.
	Like, have we even reversed roles to have us?
	Don't want to do it.
	No, It's still right now.
	Don't make it.
	It's getting late out there.
	It's getting late in there for her.
	And everybody's a little antsy in the world.
	Do you know how she feels about not choosing the hair man?
	Is how you feel about women wearing provocative clothing and not choosing them.
	That's what she's an opinion.
	That's a valid opinion.
	That is why.
	No, no, no.
	But I'm saying you have a valid opinion, and that's your opinion.
	That's her opinion based on the experience.
	And you don't get that also experienced.
	So you have asked a question, though, multiple times, and that to me, and the question is: what is there to gain?
	Or what is the end goal of women being able to do masculine jobs?
	And what I would say is the fact that women previously were not allowed in spaces to do those jobs meant that they didn't have the option.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	And you have the option now, though, luckily.
	Wait, wait.
	Yes, but now you have the option.
	So that is the end goal.
	So I just feel like we were now, well, we have the option now.
	They're not picking it.
	Wait, so you're saying women were like you're saying like women, because of male sexism, they were barred from underwater welding.
	Is that your argument?
	No, what I'm saying is, first of all, in some fields, women were not allowed to, yes, but in some fields, it was just there were so many men, and also it was not socially acceptable.
	And we are seeing an uptick in women wanting to pick up those jobs.
	And I don't think that there should be, this shouldn't be like a politicized or like crazy thing.
	It's just no matter what the sex, they want to do that.
	Why are you attributing it to some like vague nebulous sexism on behalf of men?
	Like when it comes to a lot of these jobs, it has nothing to do with vague, nebulous sexism.
	Women are just not physically capable of doing a lot of these jobs.
	Do you disagree?
	I feel like the majority of women don't want to do that.
	And they don't want to.
	I don't want to say, I don't want to be a coal miner.
	I need to like, I'm not going to be afraid of the people who are going to be a good person.
	I don't know if you want to say that.
	They don't want to do that job.
	Biologically, too.
	Have you taken anatomy and physiology or evolutionary medicine?
	Okay, yeah, because I have a degree in it and I work in it.
	And there is a physiological, fundamental difference in biological men and biological women.
	Just for the sake of this argument, how we regulate protein synthesis, how our literal bodies, our musculature, our physiology, our psychology, there is a natural adaptive advantage through evolution to serve the proof that they are better suited for a lot of areas, to areas, differences.
	That's why they separate them in fucking sports for the Olympics.
	I mean, there is, you know, there's fundamentals in women's sports.
	Hold on, go ahead.
	You can answer to her.
	Go ahead.
	No, I agree that we are.
	I agree with that statement.
	That being said, just because someone might be better suited because they're 6'6 and have more muscle on them doesn't mean that a woman can't also be capable.
	All of these hypotheticals was whether or not someone was capable is what I was speaking about.
	Look, there are just so yes, can some women do these jobs?
	Sure.
	But there are just some jobs that might be physically available to, say, I don't know, 50% of men, right?
	There's some men that can't do the jobs either, right?
	Like, I couldn't do roofing.
	I'd probably like give up after a day, right?
	But if, like, let's say only 50% of men can do it, well, that's still 50% of men.
	Whereas, like, what if it's only like 0.01% of women have the actual physical capability of doing it?
	Because it's such a massive thing.
	What argument?
	Because we are talking about hypotheticals and the situation of whether or not if women were capable to do those things.
	It's not that I'm saying more women, that I'm disagreeing with your statement that more men do these fields or that they're predominantly male.
	They're more capable.
	Yes.
	What I was saying is that women are still capable of doing that.
	And I don't understand why that is such a hot take.
	It's not.
	Women are capable of doing it.
	It's already doing it.
	But it is doing it well or doing it.
	But that does not mean that's the problem.
	We never said we wanted to do it.
	That's not what you guys initially said.
	Initially, you were saying it wasn't about being capable.
	It was about men can do this.
	This is what men are doing.
	Women cannot do that and they don't want to do it.
	That was the argument.
	I'm listening.
	Thank you.
	No, I'm observing.
	Women want to do it.
	But that wasn't the argument.
	You said that women were capable of doing that.
	Some women.
	But there are some women.
	Yes, but most women are not physically capable of doing it.
	And even if you add to the women who can do it, they don't want to do it.
	And I agree with that.
	That was not the original argument.
	Damien, pull up the cockroach manhole video.
	Pull it up.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I see.
	That sounds like a quick video.
	I think that's crazy.
	All right.
	Play it.
	Make it bigger, please.
	Yeah, I'm not doing that.
	All right.
	Look, most women could have a little hose and start from the beginning, please.
	Just let it play through.
	Oh, come on.
	Like, there's more men.
	Like, a lot of women could get down into a manhole and do this.
	Yeah, so it's not even just about capability.
	It's about willingness to do those jobs.
	Most women are not willing to do like the sort of gross, these sorts of jobs.
	Yeah.
	Men are.
	What I was saying in these hypothetical situations was that if the world ended, that we would be able to do that.
	Not that we want to do that, not that I want to crawl into a manhole with a bunch of cockroaches, but I could potentially do that if my life depended on it, if civilization depended on it.
	This world wouldn't be here if one race was there and the other one wasn't.
	So like, I just still don't understand the end of the world.
	We understand that.
	There was just a hypothetical question that we were trying to answer.
	Yes, there was no winning.
	I don't think we're bashing.
	Yeah, there is no winning in this circumstance, in this situation.
	We're strictly talking about hypotheticals and the fact of how these questions are worded to make it seem a little perhaps biased.
	I mean, it's hypothetical to bring out actual logic.
	So hypothetically, it's a scenario, but the logic is really applied in real life and it doesn't make sense.
	So with hypotheticals removed away from it, would y'all, do women you know, would want to do that?
	Yeah, the statistics were pulled up.
	It was like 90% of men did the menu.
	So what's the point?
	Besides us, because I've heard responding to your hypothetical.
	Okay, so take away that.
	Because someone brings that up.
	You do HVAC, right?
	I'm certified for it, but I just do management now.
	I'm not going to fight about the management.
	But it's a dirty job that women are, some women are doing, some women are doing that.
	Some women are doing that, but they're doing it.
	Most that I see are women as, I'm not trying to be racist, but a lot of Mexican women are doing it with their husbands.
	So they have like a group business.
	So they're actually doing it with their man.
	The women that I know that are doing it on their own is because they have to and they need money to take care of their children because they're single mothers.
	They have to, but they don't want to.
	And it's, and sometimes when women take on those jobs, they take on those jobs at the expense of their femininity.
	They become a lot more aggressive.
	They become a lot more masculine.
	So yeah, they're able to make money, but it's slowly declining their relatability to men.
	So it's like, yeah, they're doing it, but what's the end goal?
	What do they acquire from doing this outside of taking care of themselves economically?
	They're not happy.
	They're lonely.
	A lot of them are miserable, but they're just doing men's jobs.
	So, even though women can do it, if it's such a small percentage of women doing it, to bring it up is irrelevant outside of just winning an argument.
	I think it's a good idea.
	Well, in this hypothetical situation, there were no men.
	So, why do we need to be feminine?
	Yeah, why do we have to be feminine?
	Guys, I do want to move things.
	And you're hypothetical.
	We've been stuck on this for a while.
	I'll bring it back to a dating question.
	I do have one chat here.
	Meet the Kaiser chair one.
	My ex was the same.
	Also, a waitress had BPD.
	We lived together for three years, then split.
	Very similar.
	She never listened to her therapist.
	Just chatted.
	Is therapy helpful?
	What do we think?
	Quick answer on this?
	Therapy is helpful if you want it to be helpful, but if you don't want help, you can't get help, to be honest.
	Now, going around the table, bringing it back to dating.
	So, in this, my new thing I'm doing here, the question is: what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	If you guys can just repeat whatever you wrote in here, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I said money doesn't really matter as long as needs are met because I mean, like, I'm not.
	If I really like a person, I don't like them for their things.
	I like them for them.
	So, like, if needs are met, roofs overhead, food on the table, what really more can you ask for?
	I guess.
	Okay.
	You said you don't care.
	I said I don't care.
	With my seven-year-long relationship, there has been points in which he got laid off and wasn't working.
	There's points where I was not working, and we support each other.
	It's an equal partnership what we have.
	So, it does not matter what it makes.
	If he came to you and he said, you want kids one day, right?
	I want to eventually adopt, I think.
	Adopt.
	But you don't want biological children?
	No, just it's not something that's in the cards for me.
	Just curious, have you talked to your boyfriend, seven-year boyfriend, about this?
	Yes.
	He's cool.
	He's through adoption.
	Yeah, he understands I can't have children pretty much, even if I really wanted to.
	And the other thing is, I am a carrier for my whole family is genetically pretty much fucked.
	So I have lupus.
	My whole family has autoimmune diseases.
	I don't think that it would be responsible for me to pass those genes along to another child.
	Okay, fair enough.
	In any case, so if your boyfriend, if he, like, when you do want to adopt, though, one kid, I do.
	One kid, two kids?
	Probably two.
	Two?
	Two.
	If he was like, hey, I want to be a stay-at-home father for our adopted children, you'd be okay with that.
	Oh, that's already the plan.
	Like, that is.
	That's the plan.
	That is the plan.
	I'm like, he'll be a Pika dad.
	He'll be everything because our dog.
	Okay, sure.
	All kinds of different arrangements people have.
	What about you?
	Minimum yearly income, I guess, for your future wife, then, I suppose.
	Okay.
	Unless you want a husband.
	No.
	I said none because it was referring to men.
	Doesn't matter.
	Doesn't matter.
	Your income doesn't matter.
	Okay.
	If it was a man, would it matter?
	But yeah, you did say, you did say earlier, like, well, I have higher standards for men.
	He would be able, he would have to be able to afford, how do I word this?
	To afford my lifestyle.
	Not because I want him to take care of me, but for example, if I like to travel, I want him to also be able to afford to travel.
	Give us a number, income, income number.
	Just give me a number.
	I don't have a number.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Because you said earlier, like, the guy has to, like, for you to date a guy, he has to meet much higher standards than when it comes to you dating a woman.
	So, like, would you say, in terms of the income thing, you'd be straight for pay?
	Instead of gay for pay, you'd be straight for pay.
	No.
	Like a mill?
	Like, would you be straight for pay?
	Like, like, would I be with you?
	Like, man, would you go straight for a billionaire?
	No.
	Like, that's some like your life is good if you're.
	So you would discard a male billionaire who loves you as opposed to a woman with nothing who's just beautiful who loves you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, great.
	It's for the love.
	It's the love, you know, it's for love.
	What did you say for minimum yearly income?
	What I said was, I think, like a median, average, an average, median salary for like the area I choose to be in.
	You said more than median salary.
	More than, yeah.
	And I feel like.
	More could mean like.
	It's honestly pretty subjective.
	To me, a number does not matter.
	I think what matters is realistically for me, I want to be able to comfortably assume a lifestyle that includes not living in poverty or lower, lower class.
	I don't want food stamps.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't judge.
	I accept people like that romantically, but for me personally, I want to live above the average median salary of the demographic of where I choose to live.
	Where do you live?
	I live here.
	Oh, you're in Santa Barbara?
	I'm in Santa Barbara.
	But I was living.
	Median.
	Here, let's look it up.
	Yeah, let's look it up.
	All right.
	Median, hold on.
	Median salary, Santa Barbara.
	Oops.
	One sec.
	The median salary, the average annual salary salary.
	This is for marriage, by the way, not for.
	I can't say that.
	$75,000, the average annual salary.
	Is there a difference between...
	I'm like, R slurred.
	Is there a difference between median and average?
	No.
	Yes.
	It's both median.
	Sorry, guys.
	There's a difference.
	I dropped out of this.
	I want to say, well, I used to find the median in school.
	You take all the numbers and find average.
	And then the average is average.
	Whatever.
	Average.
	Like the average.
	$75,000.
	Yeah.
	I feel like.
	So, like, $80,000 is what like for me.
	For marriage, for me to settle down and feel really confident and I met my person, that's, yeah.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I know I left it blank, but that doesn't mean none.
	Just more than I make, honestly, so I can be provided for.
	How much do you make?
	Do you make six figures?
	Yes.
	So, like, would $150K be sufficient for you?
	I would want more, probably, honestly.
	I would want him to double it, honestly, because I want to be able to not work someday.
	Wait, you'd want what?
	Not work someday.
	Oh, okay.
	Because I want to have a family.
	So what do you think?
	$250K?
	Is that?
	Yeah, I guess for nowadays, that seems...
	That's still a little low, though, right?
	I guess so.
	Is that upper-middle class here?
	I don't know.
	I mean.
	What about you?
	I said $400,000.
	I know I'm going to get shit for this.
	Hold on.
	I'm into it.
	Good for you.
	That's right.
	No, no, no.
	And here's industry-wide.
	This is why I'm talking about it.
	$400,000.
	Because I was married, and I can go off of my previous experience.
	And then I make $200,000.
	So I would expect him to obviously make more than me.
	I mean, I don't know.
	That's kind of like.
	Wait, your previous husband was making how much?
	400.
	He was making, what was he doing?
	He, he had.
	He was the CEO of his own company.
	I don't want to.
	Okay.
	But he passed.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, so, and I make $200,000.
	Was it an age gap relationship?
	Wait, how old were you when you dated?
	When I got married, I was like 22, like 22.
	Yeah.
	So he's like, was he like 25 or something?
	He was actually younger than me.
	He was 20.
	So we were 20 years old, making $400,000 a year?
	Yeah.
	He did e-commerce.
	He did a lot of different stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So I just would like to keep that kind of what I'm used to.
	You know, kind of like just the normal kind of what I'm used to.
	Nothing, like, nothing that I'm changing.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to change anything that I'm already kind of have the swing of things that I have.
	Wait, did you like take over his business when he?
	Yeah, I did.
	Yeah.
	But I helped him build it too.
	So it was like, yeah.
	Sure.
	So 400, you want a guy who earns 400,000 bare minimum.
	Just off of, like I said, previous of what I'm kind of used to.
	But I mean, have you, since your husband, like this guy you went on a date with, yeah, it's kind of the same.
	The dating pool is the same.
	So I'm not doing anything that's normal.
	What about you?
	As long as we're stable and not like on edge of with bills and stuff, I'm completely fine.
	And as long as I'm compatible with the person.
	Okay.
	And then, well, that's it for that one.
	What about you?
	How much would you want your girlfriend to make?
	Man, I don't care about none of that shit.
	You know what I'm saying?
	As long as she can take care of herself without me.
	Like if she already got her own place, she already got her own car.
	She already got a career.
	Obviously, she knows what she's doing for herself.
	I feel like two hairs are better than one.
	I feel like we put so much value on what somebody earned, and then we complain when we get in these weird situations.
	It's like anybody can lose their job any day.
	I want you to care about me.
	And there's no price on that.
	So as long as she's, because I feel like if we're both in it, we both can contribute.
	Because if you go half and I go half, not saying it has to be 50-50, but I feel like that gives the woman equity in the situation.
	Because a lot of women just want to be taken care of.
	But if when he breaks up with you, he take all that money, you can't say shit because you don't have no equity or nothing.
	You don't pay for shit.
	So I'll rather a woman who I'll just take her as she is, as long as she treats me well.
	Because these days, we probably can get rich together.
	Two hairs are better than one.
	A woman can get through a door that I can't get through.
	I can get through a door that she can't get through.
	So why can't we combine ourselves together?
	Me personally, when I'm evaluating a mate, I don't think about money.
	I think about how she makes me feel because love will inspire you to make money.
	Real connection will inspire you to do more for each other.
	So I don't care about that.
	I agree on that.
	So I guess moving off of that one, going into my notes here, Hannah, right?
	Yeah.
	Hannah, perhaps this ties back into the previous combo.
	I promise we won't linger on it, though.
	Okay.
	You said that, and so in this, I asked you to circle what you disagree with.
	So the question or the statement was, men are physically stronger than women.
	You disagreed on that.
	Is that correct?
	What was the wait?
	So it says men are physically stronger than women, and you circled it, which means you disagree.
	I think I got confused with that one.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I do agree that a lot of times that they're stronger, but I do think that there's also women.
	I thought I put like a little, maybe I put like a little bit of a drink.
	Well, there was the one above it.
	You did say, I don't know, but maybe it was the one above it, which is 20.
	In any case, if that was incorrect, then I'm happy to move on.
	I feel like there are plenty of women that are stronger than some men, but there's plenty of men that are stronger than some women.
	It's subjective.
	I think it has more to do with height, weight, and like muscle capacity.
	I mean, would you grant that most men are stronger than most women?
	I would say like the average man is stronger than the average woman, which is why I'm scared to be a forest with them alone.
	But there's also, you know, plenty of beautiful, gorgeous, tall women that could easily take down, you know, a man shorter than me.
	So it's like, it depends on the situation.
	It depends on body mass.
	Yeah, Bear's stronger than you, too.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, but once again, I'd rather just die.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, I don't know what the actual percentage breakdown is, but I think they've analyzed grip strength.
	And I think it's like, I don't know if we have the stats on it.
	Something like 95% of men are stronger than all women or something like that.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I mean, grip strength, I give really terrible massages.
	So, like, I don't know.
	Maybe that's something.
	I don't know.
	Grip strength is reflective of your general strength.
	What I know is, like, I don't think that there's any like hard.
	I think, I think it's like very gray.
	Things can be very gray.
	I don't think it's like always black and white.
	There's well, yeah, there are certainly there's women who are, there are some women who are stronger than men.
	Yeah, that's what I was saying.
	Yeah, I'm not saying, yeah, I'm just saying it's not 100%.
	I want to say there is not a single man that I would like be like, yeah, I'd fight that's a man.
	Like, I'm not fighting a man.
	You know, like, I can pick up nearly every single one of my co-stars, including my co-stars that are taller than me.
	But if we were to be in a fight, I don't know.
	I'd be a little scared.
	When a man is actually fighting against a woman, I think the man is almost going to win almost every time.
	I've been in physical fights with men, and yeah, it's like about 50-50.
	Sometimes 50-50.
	Are they going ham on you?
	Do they throw punches?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Slam my head between the water.
	Were they trying to go fly?
	Here's the thing: I grew up with older brothers, and like the amount of fighting that we would do, and you know, lots of sparring, lots of combat.
	Like, yeah, I can occasionally take, but I feel like your brothers are going to try to like not know.
	Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
	You don't know my family.
	You don't know my family.
	I'm willing to bet, I would be willing to bet right now a million dollars, and you can distribute it all amongst yourselves.
	It could be all seven of you versus Illa here right now.
	And I think he'd win.
	He's win.
	No, at the same time.
	At the same time.
	No.
	Seven of you.
	Like, what?
	I would win.
	I want to say if one of us just took a body apart, we could actually win.
	Actually, seven, like, actually, seven of us all have.
	Yeah, seven of us on the street.
	Just someone grabbing my grabbed a leg.
	Seven of us have the other arm.
	No, no.
	I changed my AAA.
	I changed my ANA.
	Wait, chat, chat.
	We could ask the woman.
	I'll ask the chat.
	Chat, who do you pick?
	So, who wins?
	Who do you place your bet on?
	It's a seven V1.
	All the women.
	You know what?
	We'll throw in.
	We're throwing in Anissa too.
	Eight V1.
	And she's behind him too.
	She can throw in the chokehold really quick.
	Chat.
	Does the guy win?
	Or is it the eight women?
	Eight women or the one guy?
	Who wins?
	Y'all should win.
	No one y'all gotten all the women.
	I was going to say I roll limb.
	Someone else rolls.
	Yeah, no.
	Every one of us did some damage.
	We should win.
	On each limb, I think we could figure it out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Eight of us?
	We could do that.
	I don't even like talking like, I don't win.
	Someone's got to trick him or something.
	I don't even like that.
	I should try just to prove a point, though.
	No, are we even fighting right now?
	Y'all should beat me.
	With much as much traction, y'all gang.
	Like you said, y'all can do so much.
	Y'all should be able to destroy me, man.
	What are some of these other questions to answer?
	All right.
	So why don't we pull up Twitch?
	Let's go do a quick Twitch shout out.
	We're going to get through a whole bunch of stuff.
	Go to Twitch, guys.
	That's twitch.tv/slash whatever, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	Guys, get us 200 followers.
	Get us to 95,000 before the end of the show.
	Yo, Ben, anything for the Prime?
	Drop us a Prime Top if you have one available, guys.
	Really?
	Would really appreciate it.
	Thank you, guys.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Really appreciate it.
	And then, okay, let's get into the, let's try to blast through these notes as quickly as I can here.
	Okay.
	Why don't we just do Hannah's first, okay?
	Oh, God.
	Let me get my glasses here.
	Okay.
	And a lot of you also disagreed on this one.
	So dating is easier for women, to which you disagreed.
	Andrea disagreed.
	Tiara, did I say that?
	Tiara.
	Tiara, did I say that right?
	Tonja.
	I thought it was easier.
	I think I might have answered.
	Dating is easier for women when you disagree.
	Oh, you agree?
	I think it's easier for women.
	Okay, you didn't follow the instructions, but it's okay.
	Yeah, my bad.
	But so those of you who circle, dating is easier for women, you think it's easier for men?
	You disagree that it's easier for women.
	I mean, when I say that it's easier for men to date, I guess, is because it's not that it's easier for them to get a date.
	A woman can get a date.
	Like, I've never had a shortage of men in my DMs.
	I could get a date.
	If I was single tomorrow, I could have 15 dates lined up for myself.
	That's not what I'm talking about.
	What I'm talking about is in a relationship, finding someone who isn't trying to pull a power trip on you or isn't trying to change you.
	And like, this isn't just from my perspective.
	All of my girlfriends struggle with this.
	It's like, you just want someone who wants you for you.
	And instead, they want someone else, but they just like the way you look.
	And so they're trying to change you.
	Like, it's in that aspect harder because I think most of the time, at least with my friend group and me, we ask for pretty much the bare minimum.
	Just love us, be moderately funny, be able to take care of yourself.
	Like, I don't want to babysit you.
	Like, at least just take care of yourself.
	And have passion for something and just accept me for who I am.
	That's it.
	That's like five things.
	I feel like those are like basic things.
	But wouldn't it be easier for women to get a date if you just said you could get any date?
	Because men are lying.
	No, like, no, no, no, no.
	Like, we can get dates, but for those dates to turn into boyfriends, like turn into dating, like multiple dates with one person.
	I feel like it's not that deep, though.
	I think he's just asking, is it easier for us to get dates and like to like, and you kind of said in the beginning that, like, yeah.
	Yeah, like to get, yeah, to get a date, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	It's easier for women.
	But he said dating, so I was kind of thinking of dating, not getting a date.
	I think of dating as just like, oh, you're going on dates, like multiple dates.
	So it doesn't really matter.
	Yeah, multiple dates.
	Like finding somebody.
	You're not in a relationship.
	I think when I think of dating, I think of like getting past the first date stage and going on to a second date, third date.
	Like you're dating a person.
	I don't know.
	Finding someone who you want to go on a second date with is really, I guess what I was saying is.
	So it's like multiple first dates, not going on dates?
	Well, you're going on dates with like multiple people.
	So you're going on dates with different people every single time.
	But like what I meant is finding someone who you want to date.
	So I feel like you're trying to say it's harder for women to be in a relationship with men, but it's not harder for women to date.
	I think that's what you're trying to say.
	I meant finding someone today, I suppose, because that's what dating is, is you're finding someone who you want to date.
	And it's harder to find someone who you want to date because.
	Wait, but this doesn't this contradict?
	If you still go on a date with someone, you're going on a date whether you like them or not.
	You went on a date.
	Wait, but hold on, but just to answer that, doesn't that kind of like contradict your previous point?
	So on one hand, you're saying women don't really ask for a lot.
	We just be slightly funny, all the five other things you listed.
	But also, it's really hard to, like, I'm just confused.
	Because like within my experience and like my friend's experiences, at least, I can't speak for any of the other girlies at the table.
	You go on the first date with someone and you're like, oh my gosh, he's funny.
	Check, check.
	You know, he's nice to me.
	Check.
	But then he says something like really effed up about, you know, other women or like putting other people down.
	And you're like, okay, I got to dock him for this.
	And I don't want to go on a second date with you.
	But you still were on a date with him.
	Yes.
	Wait, I'm going to give myself a pass here.
	If he says retard on the first date, is that a deal breaker?
	For me, yeah.
	I think that's hilarious.
	Okay, no, give me a green flag for me.
	Okay, here's the only reason why is because I have family members who are part of that.
	Yeah.
	That's not the appropriate word to disardiate.
	It's not.
	Intellectual disabled.
	You were about to call your family members retarded.
	No, I was not.
	Sorry, my mother.
	But for me, personally, that is a deal breaker.
	And it is something that if someone says it, you know, I will, if someone says that and I'm dating them or if I'm involved with them, I'll be like, hey, you can't say that.
	It won't necessarily mean that I won't go on a second date with them, depending on how their reaction after that is.
	You'd call them out.
	But I will call them out.
	Here, wait, wait, can we role play super quick?
	I know you probably hate me, but let's role play.
	I know you're in a relationship.
	Just pretend you're single.
	Okay, okay.
	All right.
	So I'm trying to think like your type of guy.
	I cannot wait to hear.
	Give me the magic.
	I know, I know.
	I'm like so excited to hear what's about to come out.
	All right, so you and me, we're on a date.
	We're at Nobu.
	Because I roll like that, or whatever the fuck.
	Okay.
	We're at Nobu and I'm like, you know, eating the steak.
	Are you vegan or anything?
	I mean, I don't eat steak, but no, I'm not.
	Are you vegetarian?
	I was vegan for seven years.
	I don't know why this matters.
	I'm eating a steak.
	I'm not vegan anymore.
	I'm eating the steak.
	And then, like, I accidentally spill this cup.
	I spill it.
	It doesn't spill on you, but it spills.
	It kind of gets on the table.
	It was wine, too.
	I spill it.
	And I'm like, oh, shh, I'm so retarded.
	I would, I would, in that situation, I would say, it's okay.
	It's just, it's just wine.
	It doesn't really really matter.
	And I was like, and then I would address it after and say, but as far as that word goes, that's not okay.
	That's not something that I personally want to hear.
	Oh, I'm sorry you feel that way.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry you feel that way.
	Does it change anything if I'm actually retarded?
	No, no, we're still role playing.
	We're still role-playing.
	Oh, my gosh.
	We are still role playing.
	Well, I'm actually, well, I was diagnosed at a young age with retardation.
	And so I identify as a retard.
	Are you making a joke right now, or are you actually intellectually disabled?
	I could be.
	Not could you be, but in the situation where you're talking about.
	Wait, are we still role playing?
	I think we're still role playing.
	Yeah, we're still role-playing.
	Yeah.
	Oh, we're still roleplaying.
	Yeah, we're at dinner right now.
	Are you actually, or is that a joke?
	Wait, like in the role play?
	Because it could be like, in the role play.
	I'm talking about the pleasure.
	Yeah, I'm talking to you as if we're.
	But I'm not like, okay, removing, I'm not actually retarded.
	But okay, going into the role play.
	Yeah.
	Yes, I went to see a psychiatrist.
	Yes, I'm retarded.
	Okay.
	In the role play.
	In the role play?
	I'm retarded.
	In the role play, you are?
	In the roleplay.
	Then, then, and you feel like you identify like that, and that's.
	I do.
	I want you to affirm my identity.
	Now I want you to call me a retard.
	I will not.
	I will not.
	Why won't you affirm my identity as somebody who's retarded?
	That's a good idea.
	This is really, I'm actually offended.
	How dare you?
	How dare you not affirm my identity as somebody who is retard.
	I prefer not to use that word.
	You can feel that you.
	This is the appropriate word that I feel comfortable with using.
	Okay.
	In fact, I'm more offended if you call me like mentally challenged.
	I'm more offended by that.
	I'm not challenged.
	I'm just retarded.
	And also, it's because I'm French.
	I prefer, I identify more with a it's a retard is a French word.
	Yeah, no, that's you know, that is totally okay if you identify a retard.
	Oh, this date's over.
	Can I fix it?
	I will walk out of here right now, leaving you with this bill.
	Then you can do that.
	If you don't want to continue this date, pay for the no-board.
	It's expensive.
	That's okay.
	This is expensive.
	That's all right.
	I'm sorry that this date didn't go well for you.
	I really hope you have better future endeavors.
	It was lovely meeting you.
	Really?
	You're going to discriminate against me based on my disability?
	I'm not discriminating.
	That's very ableist of you.
	I'm not discriminating.
	I thought you were woke and progressive.
	I'm not discriminating.
	You wouldn't date somebody who's retarded.
	No, you can.
	You wouldn't.
	Wait, wait, what?
	You wouldn't date a retarded person.
	That's not what.
	No.
	That is really offensive.
	Damn.
	God, wait.
	Friday and Slim.
	Look, okay.
	I almost dropped someone else's name.
	That's really bad.
	You once dated a R-word person?
	No, no.
	I mean, actually, no.
	No.
	Okay, no, no, no, no.
	Let me explain.
	I dated a guy, and we, this was in high school.
	I dated a guy who was very sweet until he got another girl pregnant.
	But he got into a fight with me, actually.
	It was like multiple of us.
	It was on the news because it got to be such a big thing.
	I got arrested.
	He got arrested.
	Everyone got arrested.
	Essentially, we got jumped by the high school jocks, and we were like emo kids.
	And he got so badly pummeled that it caused severe brain damage that would like he never recovered from it.
	He actually became like drug.
	That was that heavy rule.
	Like really drug-dependent because of it.
	And so, yeah, I guess in that situation, like he was not functioning on the level of like, you know, normal anymore.
	Because of the brain damage.
	Because of the brain damage.
	It was severe.
	Yeah.
	So like.
	Yeah.
	Technically speaking, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	Would anybody else here object to the scenario if you pretend put yourself in her position?
	I spill the cup.
	So it's not like, it's not like I have a hatred towards like people who are our word, our worded.
	It's just I self-deprecated and I'm like, oh, fuck, I spilled the thing.
	I'm an idiot.
	I'm a retard.
	I would refer it.
	I would be like, yeah, you fucking retard.
	You fucking retard.
	Sometimes we have women on the show spill a cup of water and I call them retards.
	And they should say thank you for keeping me accountable.
	They were like Ryan.
	That was so attractive.
	Let's go on a date.
	Absolutely.
	It happens.
	No, I will call my date out.
	I call my friends out.
	I call my mom out on stuff.
	I will call people out.
	You call your mom out?
	Yeah, all the time.
	Just let her be, bro.
	Just let her be.
	She's a different generation.
	How old's your mom?
	60.
	I can't give that information out.
	I took some milk.
	Is she single?
	Joy says she's 29.
	Is she single?
	Huh?
	Is she available?
	No.
	She's still with your.
	Is she married?
	No.
	She has a boyfriend.
	How long have they been dating?
	I mean, this doesn't sound that serious, to be honest.
	I don't know if it's that serious.
	You'll have to ask me.
	Like, it doesn't sound like it's really like, I don't know, just saying.
	Like, put the juice.
	I mean, if you're interested, I'll give her your.
	I'm going to slide in a good word.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, but if you use that word, you can't be my stepdad.
	So challenge.
	Ah, good times.
	Okay.
	What?
	Any other panelists have a available mother that they can set me up with?
	Just checking.
	Of course, I wouldn't do that to you.
	we're homies i mean i have friends that are more your age I want to say technically my mom.
	Chips of milk.
	Okay, good talk.
	Okay, I don't know where that came up.
	How did we start talking about?
	Oh, dating is easier for women.
	How do we?
	Why did you bring up this really offensive conversation?
	Yeah, this was your idea.
	I don't think I don't know how to die here.
	Like, roll it back, right?
	She brought that shit up.
	Yeah, you're like, I really want to talk about our words right now.
	Like, this is your go-to topic.
	Definitely.
	Gaslit.
	Okay.
	Feel right at home.
	Okay.
	Anyways, your next thing.
	Okay, a few of you, I'll move it on just so we can't linger on anything for too long.
	A woman's career money status does not make her more attractive to men, to which I think a couple of you circled disagree.
	Who?
	I don't remember what I chose.
	Hannah, you disagreed.
	Andrea, you disagreed.
	Let's see.
	I disagree.
	Siara, you disagreed.
	When I thought that we were talking specifically about like LA and like that kind of dating pool is what I was talking about when I filled that out because that's what I thought we were talking about today, but that was my misinterpretation.
	Because in LA, I think status, money, and like who you know very much factors into like who men.
	Also for men.
	Oh, for men.
	Also for men.
	Yeah.
	I think for both people.
	So, but I don't really, I don't know if it matters for like regular dating.
	So you're saying in LA?
	In LA, it does because most everyone's industry.
	And so it's kind of like, I feel like everyone's trying to like, you know, network and everyone's like, you know, I don't think.
	Oh, well, I mean, I mean, I might be willing to grant that like some like actor who is getting mostly extra jobs, like working as an extra, and he mostly works as a server and he like shares a bedroom with three other guys and Resida.
	Yeah, like if he, if fucking, I don't know, some, I'm trying to think, like Angelina Jolie steps to him, he might be like, oh, I was, when I filled that out, that's what I was under the assumption of.
	So, but in terms of like, oh no, okay, here, you have, I'm trying to think, okay, Lizzo, money, status, success.
	Boom.
	Put Lizzo in a club and then put like a nobody 21-year-old who lives with her parents and she's not in debt, but she's a barista, $18 an hour.
	All the men in that club who they gravitating towards.
	I shouldn't have used Liz, though, for this.
	No, that was a great idea.
	That was a great visual.
	No, it was because of gravity.
	I shouldn't have used it.
	Because of gravity, I shouldn't have said that.
	Well, if we're talking for gravity.
	When I say gravitate, I mean not, I mean, colloquially, not literally like the gravity because of the mass.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Was that offensive?
	No.
	If you were on the date.
	I saw the pun.
	If we were on a date, would you have like a sidebar conversation with me about this?
	Like, Brian, that was really offensive.
	Don't body shame.
	No.
	No, honestly.
	With my experience with men, you're saying it's okay the body shame papyrus.
	No, no, no, dare you, you piece of money.
	No, This is really offensive.
	Okay, sorry, guys.
	Jesus Christ.
	Unbelievable.
	In my experience with dating men is that with women's bodies, a lot of times it's kind of ingrained that they will make a comment on it.
	And that's not something that necessarily I can change or fix.
	I can always, if it's an offensive remark, like truly offensive, like targeted, I of course will say something.
	But sometimes I have to pick my battles and what I actually want to bring up, especially when you're first dating someone, because you don't want to just like combat with everything that they're saying, but you do want to get to know them.
	One other question.
	Okay, and then we're going right back to the Lizzo one, though.
	You're not going to escape the Lizzo question.
	A guy comes to a date with a plastic water bottle.
	Are you saying something?
	No.
	Like, how dare you pollute the environment?
	You want to see the rainforest burn?
	No, I'm not going to comment on their water bottle.
	That's not.
	Gatorade makes water now, anyways.
	Oh, whatever that is.
	Okay, I don't know.
	I was like, I'm not going to comment on that.
	One time, like, years ago.
	No, this was like four or five years ago.
	I was on a date with a girl, and I brought a water bottle, not unlike this, to the date.
	And she says something about the water bottle.
	You do live in California.
	She must have been like an environmentalist, but I brought a water bottle to the date.
	Mind you, when I'm at home, I have like a RO system, like, so I drink from a glass.
	But it's convenient to just, I'm running out the house.
	Let me grab a bottle of water.
	Yeah.
	She literally tanks the date because I brought a bottle of water.
	Tanks it.
	She's like, whoa, you need to watch your plastic consumption, sir.
	The date was up.
	But that's what I mean.
	That's literally what I mean.
	Straight back to what we were talking about earlier.
	Not everyone is going to be your cup of tea.
	I think you should let the, you should really rethink like letting the Arsler thing pass, to be honest.
	TBH.
	Well, I'm very happily involved with someone who doesn't need to use that word.
	So it's all.
	Yo, wait, what's your boyfriend's name?
	Like first name.
	I don't want to disclose that.
	Okay, I'm just going to guess.
	It's Bartholomew.
	Oh my God, wait, hold on.
	That is not, that's not his name, but that's my nickname for him.
	It's an inside joke, but that's fucking crazy.
	Wow.
	It was the Venus.
	It was the vibes.
	Was Alliance, Mercury, Jupiter?
	I don't know.
	Bartholomew.
	Is he watching this shit?
	Is he fucking watching the shit?
	Bartholomew.
	Is he, did he drive with you down to Santa Barbara?
	No, he did not.
	You're going to see him tonight?
	At like 1 a.m.
	Okay, okay.
	Bartholomew, the moment she steps through the door, call her a retard.
	And I want to see if this is the true test of your guys' relationship.
	Yo.
	She steps through the door, Bartholomew.
	You have to call her the Arsler.
	And if she's like, oh my God, that's so funny.
	And she, that's the, and then she's the one, if she's like, cool with it.
	You're going to be cool with it?
	He's going to do it.
	He's not going to do it.
	He's my homie.
	He's already in bed.
	I guarantee you.
	He goes to bed like really early.
	Okay, text him and be like, as soon as I step through.
	You took my phone.
	Once you get your phone, you're going to text him and you're going to say, Bart, Barty.
	Barty.
	Barty.
	Call me.
	I made a bet with Brian.
	You have to call me.
	I don't know.
	This is too contrived at this point.
	Just fucking call her an R-word when she walks through the door.
	And you have to have sex with him afterwards.
	And while during sex, he has to also call you.
	Definitely not happening.
	Wait, Damien, can you search up that Reddit thread about like calling somebody an R-word?
	Like dirty, dirt, Reddit, dirty talk, retard.
	Okay.
	Just Google it.
	Just Google it.
	You'll find it.
	Okay, Lizzo.
	Sorry, I'm sorry.
	Oh my God, bro.
	The fucking caffeine's getting to me.
	Lizzo or hot, nobody 20-year-old barista.
	Who do the guys pick?
	Well, you said she's 20, so obviously they're going to go for her regard.
	Like, they like young girls.
	Guys like young girls.
	So it took 2021 to make it so she can drink, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They'd pick the younger girl, like, nine times out of ten, I would say.
	Can you pull that up, Damien?
	Do you have it, Damien?
	Did you find the thread?
	Or do?
	They sent it to you.
	I mean, is it the dirty talk one?
	Do you have like no?
	Oh my gosh.
	Here, I'll send it to you.
	I'll send it to you.
	Or should I just read it?
	I don't know if we need the Reddit thread.
	Okay, here, I'm going to read something to you guys.
	Not me, but an old friend of mine, really quiet, soft-spoken, polite guy, a total gentleman and a graduate student in the liberal arts.
	Oh, yeah, that's okay.
	Also, pretty, also pretty inexperienced, tentative, and vanilla sexually.
	He's dating this really cool girl for maybe two months.
	She's much kinkier in bet.
	She floats the idea of dirty talk and apparently likes to be objectified, even demeaned a bit, from time to time.
	He's hesitant, but wants to please her and doesn't dismiss the idea outright.
	Changes the subject and figures that they'll revisit the idea another time.
	Anyway, they have sex a few days later for the first time since the conversation.
	They're really going at it doggy style.
	And she tells him to talk dirty to her.
	He says that he can't think of anything to say, so he says nothing.
	And she then repeats the request, but the second time, she is not fucking requesting, but demanding it.
	He comes up with, yeah, you like that, you fucking retard.
	He came up with it all by himself?
	He's never struck me as one for embellishment, so I believe him.
	He said that it was for, that was it for the sex that night, although they are still together two years on.
	That's love.
	That is love.
	That's love.
	You know?
	Tell her to him.
	All right.
	That's crazy.
	All right.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, do you have any thoughts on this one?
	The woman's career, Monty Satisfied?
	It does to a man who thinks like a woman.
	You know what I'm saying?
	A lot of guys, they try to compete with women and think like them, and they think that shit matters, and it really doesn't.
	Wait, to like say, to go off something you said earlier, you said like a woman, like if she can take care of her own, like that's more attractive to you.
	So doesn't status kind of.
	No, I said as long as she can take care of herself.
	But she doesn't have, you can take care of yourself working at Best Buy as a manager.
	You don't have to be auditioning for Revolt or some shit.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like you could just be a regular girl with a regular job.
	So there's value in taking care of yourself, but high-value status is a little more than that.
	You know what I mean?
	She doesn't have to have a blue check and be trending on.
	I don't care about none of that shit.
	She's got to be able to take care of herself.
	Because the real talk, the baddest woman is the ones that just in the neighborhood.
	Like regular, like, it's not the ones that's on TV.
	It's the most beautiful woman I've seen with never celebrities.
	So that's just me.
	Did you also say, though, that they should split dates?
	So what if the guy makes significantly more and she can't split dates?
	No, no, no.
	This is the thing, right?
	Good question.
	Men, I'll say me and some men I know.
	You don't got to pay for the.
	We just want to see an effort.
	Like in other words, I'm paying for the date and you'll cover the tip or we'll go to like an after-hour spot.
	You'll be like, I get the hookah.
	Just show me that you care because I feel like when we go on a date, I'm paying, especially in the beginning when I don't know, we don't owe each other anything.
	I feel like I'm paying the price of admission to the you show.
	You're paying the price of admission to the me show.
	It's not about neither one of us.
	We're paying for each other's energy.
	So who are you to, or who am I to say what's what in the early beginning?
	But if I'm balling out of control, I'm going to take care of it because I got it and it's not that big of a deal.
	I'll pay for my homie.
	I don't care.
	Like if I have, like, I'll pay for a strange.
	I don't care.
	It's just money.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And if I, I like to see people happy.
	But I just want to see effort on her part.
	You don't have to pay for the date, but show me that you care something or pick up something for me.
	I thought of you.
	I brought you, like one girl brought a hookah to me one time.
	So it's like, just show that you care.
	Show some type of gesture.
	You don't have to cover the whole thing, but don't just show up and be cute all the time.
	Like do something.
	I'm also curious too, like, what if the guy was struggling?
	Should the woman pick up after his?
	Well, if you're struggling, you shouldn't go to a place where money is required.
	You know, there's parks, there's museums.
	You know, be creative.
	You can cook.
	You can have a picnic in a park.
	You know, use your creativity because if you don't have no money, you don't need to be inviting women out to date.
	You can invite them to meet.
	You can do a little icebreaker, but I'm not going to invite a woman to a date and I don't have no money.
	That's just stupid.
	Anybody else think guys would pick Lizzo?
	Just curious.
	Anybody?
	Lizzo?
	Some dudes would.
	You can just say, come on.
	I mean, my opinion, some guys would.
	There are some guys that would pick Lizzo because of her status and money.
	That's just a fact because what else are you picking Lizzo for?
	Like, let's be honest.
	So.
	Wasn't she dating an NFL athlete as well?
	Yeah.
	So someone of her own caliber may pick her too.
	Maybe like a front.
	That was mad funny.
	There's so many jokes that could be made from that, but I'm going to let that slide.
	If you said an NFL player, that's her caliber.
	I can go so many places with that.
	Shout out to Lizzo.
	Hey.
	Would you hit?
	How?
	What do you mean, how?
	Like, not punch her.
	Would you smash Lizzo?
	Yes.
	No, but I would only because I'd probably get a bag out of her.
	Like, I'll bang the bag out of her, but like, out of interest?
	No.
	I don't like big girls.
	You don't like big women?
	No, I'm not into big girls.
	Okay.
	You got to at least be shapely.
	Like, she's not shapely.
	I've seen some big girls that, like, they got hips and stuff.
	Like, she's – shout out to Lizzo.
	Shots.
	So you would have sexual intercourse with Lizzo.
	For a bag.
	What's a bag?
	For money.
	Come on.
	No, but is it like a thousand?
	What is the bag?
	Like, bag that only she got.
	Like, I'm not going to hit her for no $300.
	Like, she's going to take me shop.
	Like, she's going to break me off.
	She's going to take you shopping.
	Yeah, she's going to be sugar money.
	Where's she taking you to?
	Wherever I want.
	Oh, shit.
	I'm not going to go.
	There we go.
	I'm good.
	I don't know if I could do it, to be honest.
	You're a successful guy.
	You don't need it.
	You don't need it.
	You would do it.
	I would, no.
	For $2 million, you wouldn't hit Lizzo.
	Okay, I'll do it for $2 million.
	Exactly, exactly.
	She's not even ugly.
	She's just not in the best shape.
	I don't know if I could, like, I'm average down there, though.
	Really?
	Like, I'm kind of average down there, so I don't know if I could, like, get to it.
	I would love my man hit Lizzo for two miles.
	I don't know if I could get like, actually, that girl.
	There's pills for that.
	Don't worry.
	No, it's not.
	I just don't even know if I could big girl sex is a little different than regular girl sex.
	You can put it anywhere, and it would, for me, while we're having sex, exactly.
	Yeah, a thousand percent.
	Shoulder, elbow, shoulder, any wet crease you can find.
	Like, no, I'm straight.
	It's like you're on a love seat or some shit.
	For two mil, that's fair.
	100,000.
	Shit, 50 bands.
	That's crazy.
	So is that masculine or what kind of money?
	No, this is hypothetical.
	It's not masculine.
	It's not.
	It's giving.
	That's why it's also hypothetical.
	I'm a little confused.
	I'm just kidding.
	I mean, it sounds good.
	Let's give her a round of applause.
	She got some points in the boy.
	Has her bag.
	Let's give her a lot of points.
	She got some points in the boy.
	Shout out to you.
	But it's hypothetical.
	In reality, I don't even want to.
	I just say in reality what I would do.
	I don't even care about a woman's money in reality.
	Okay.
	So it's hypothetical, baby.
	There you go.
	Fair.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't really care about the career money status, to be honest, though.
	Yeah, I'll date like a barista.
	It's like the T.I. video that came out years ago.
	Shorty was on the fries and he changed her life.
	You can have whatever you like.
	Like, we don't care about that shit.
	But I don't think a woman would do that on the other foot.
	I think the catch with women is if you're in tip-top shape, I think women will give you a shot.
	I've seen women make adjustments for a guy.
	I think that's the only X factor you can get being broke.
	If you broke, but you got you built like a tank, she'll pay them bills for a little while, not forever.
	But she'll definitely say, all right, let's see what's happening.
	What if he's like hung like a rhino?
	That too.
	But I think if he's in shape, because she got to find out later, because you might be unattractive and have that.
	So I don't know if that really matters.
	But I think if you're in shape, women will give you a shot regardless of your income.
	Is that right, ladies?
	Women will get it.
	Well, we know you don't even deal with men.
	I'm talking about y'all.
	Y'all, yo, yo, yo, yo, would y'all do that?
	I think it's like a preferred preference for someone to be in shape, but like that wouldn't be like the determining factor of it, you know?
	Put like this.
	Let me rephrase it.
	You got a broke guy with no body, and you got a broke guy with a little body.
	I think y'all would give him a chance.
	I don't think you're going to just say you're mine, but I think you'll say, I'll give him a benefit of doubt.
	Would you give him just a chance because he's in shape, even though he's not financially where he wants to be, but he's in like 100%.
	It still shows that you value yourself and try to be healthy.
	I still think that's a good factor of somebody being in shape.
	You know, that's long-term goals that they're working towards.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Couple, another dating question going around the table.
	Do you think men who care about body count are insecure, starting with you?
	I wouldn't necessarily say insecure.
	But when it's a double standard, the only time I would call insecurity is the double standard.
	But if there's no double standard, then I would say if like what do you mean if there's no double standard?
	Like to say if a man has like 20 bodies and then I would say like, oh, I have 22, and they're like, now I'm mad.
	What do you mean?
	Like, so I feel like if there's not a double standard, then no.
	But if there is, like, I've fucked this many girls, but you couldn't have fucked up, then yes, it's so wrong and they're insecure.
	Yeah, well, one of the questions in the do you disagree is not hypocritical for men with high body counts to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.
	I think three or four of you circled you disagree, so you think it is hypocritical.
	So that's kind of a different question though.
	So we'll come to that one later.
	So is insecure depends on the person I ask and their answer, really.
	Okay.
	So you're saying essentially you're saying, like, if the guy also has a low body count and he wants to date a woman with a low body count, fine.
	I don't find that insecure.
	That's your standard and that's fine.
	But then what about, okay, the guy with a high body count, he wants a girl with a low body count.
	Is that insecure?
	Yeah.
	Wait, why?
	Because you can go out and do it, but you're a woman couldn't go out and do it.
	Like your past doesn't matter, but for some reason, my past matters.
	That's what I mean.
	I feel like that's why are you insecure about my past?
	But I'm secure about yours.
	It's whatever.
	We're going to go on with whatever.
	I'm vowing to be with you.
	I'll let everybody respond before I give my response.
	So what do you think?
	Are men insecure for caring about a woman's body count?
	If it is hypocritical, like in that, in that situation, just, I mean, I'm not so much looking at the hypocritical component.
	I'm more so looking are just men, whether they have a low body count, high body count, are they insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
	That's like a loaded question because if they do have a low body count and they want someone who also has a low body count, then that's fine, I think.
	But if they have, well, couldn't they?
	I mean, I would even be willing to say that in both scenarios, they could both be insecure and they could both not be insecure.
	I would say to go back then, I would say no, because that might be just standard.
	But to like, when we're going on further questions, I'm going to probably contradict a bit.
	I would say it would make me like if they were interested in me solely based off of that number and nothing else, like, or not interested, you know, depending on so they liked you, but then they found out your body count and for them, the body count was too high.
	Yeah.
	If that would that be insecure.
	If theirs was significantly higher than mine, I would say that that's insecure.
	And I would say that it's probably if they had a bad reaction to that, in my head, what I would be thinking is, wow, they want a virgin girl because they're so bad in bed that they would be insecure that she's had better.
	that would be my first interpretation of instant anger that would be my first interpretation if we're having a nice dinner everything was cool and then they like it's a deal breaker for them Yeah, and it's a deal breaker.
	Yeah, and it was a deal breaker.
	That's the only reason that they don't want to pursue you anymore.
	Yeah, I would say that in that, it would be insecure.
	I'll let everybody answer on this.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I think my answer is pretty similar.
	If, you know, someone asks me what my body count is and then theirs is higher or the same.
	I feel like that's just a sign of insecurity.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Your thoughts?
	If it's a deal breaker?
	No, so is a man insecure if he cares about a woman's body count?
	No.
	Okay.
	And okay, go ahead.
	I feel like it's one of those things where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, because either way, the number I don't think is going to make them happy no matter what.
	They're just going to get jealous, no matter what.
	Even though it's zero?
	Well, if it's zero.
	That's what you're talking about.
	I feel like some people actually may not like zero either.
	Yeah, actually, they might not like zero.
	I want to say some people actually don't like it.
	I don't know.
	I've never had a guy ask my body count.
	Like, some people don't like that responsibility of responsibility.
	I've asked a guy.
	Some people really don't like that.
	Well, I wouldn't ask a guy because I don't know.
	I don't give that much if he.
	Yeah.
	That's why I'm like, sometimes zero can make someone mad too, I think.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, it's a damned if you're a madman.
	Well, I think, let me, I do want to jump in really quick on this.
	You said the zero would make a guy mad.
	It could.
	I'm not saying all men.
	But that's.
	Because most men would because they're like, oh, she has no experience.
	But I have met men that did not want to be virgins.
	Sure.
	There's probably men that are like that.
	But I think the men would not like that she's a virgin because they perhaps perceive that as, oh, she's a virgin.
	Like, let's say the guy's angle here is he wants to have casual sex.
	Like, he wants to have sex quickly.
	He doesn't want to wait.
	So he's probably making this assessment of, okay, she's a virgin.
	I'm going to have to wait six months.
	I'm going to have to wait till love, whatever it is.
	I don't think they would really have an issue with it if she was down to fuck immediately.
	Like, I can't imagine it.
	Oh, oh, she's a virgin and she wants to fuck me once, and then that's it.
	I mean, assuming that's what he wanted to, I can't imagine.
	See, the perspective I've always gotten is that they just didn't want to deal with the annoyance of the woman after they took their virginity.
	That was literally their explanation.
	Like, you know, and I get it, it's the attachment.
	So it's like, it could be both, though.
	There could be a lot of women.
	There's a lot of crazy, promiscuous women who, like, I don't understand this whole, like, oh, she's a virgin.
	She's going to be like stage five clinger.
	Like, no, I don't think so.
	But, like, from who I talked to, that was their assumption.
	And I'm like, I get it.
	And you're kind of unforgettable in that person's life.
	And, like, it's kind of valid to say, like, someone with a zero body count that could make someone feel insecure about it, too.
	I don't want the responsibility of that.
	Okay.
	You know?
	Sure, sure.
	Going around the table, your thoughts.
	Are men insecure if they care about the woman's body count?
	No.
	Okay.
	Your answer to this?
	That's a good question.
	I feel like if it's a deciding factor of dating that person, then yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so should body count matter?
	Going around.
	Just a yes or no, really quick.
	Honestly, no.
	I wouldn't say so.
	I would say no, but depends on if you're being responsible.
	Like, does that person have a high body count not using condoms or being a sage?
	Because that would change my perspective.
	I would have to agree with your answer.
	So depends.
	Yeah, it shouldn't matter.
	No.
	Let's even just grant that no.
	In a perfect world, no STDs, yeah.
	Then no.
	No.
	So going around the table, you guys said body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.
	What's your body count?
	Eight.
	Hold on, say it again.
	Eight.
	Four.
	I won't tell that number.
	Did you write it in the.
	No, I did not.
	Do you want to give us a range?
	No, I do not.
	Is it more than a hundred?
	I will not say.
	Is it more than a thousand?
	I'm not telling you.
	It's over 9,000.
	You didn't write it here, right?
	You're not going to be a little trickster.
	I have to look at, look for it, or whatever.
	Not like.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	No, that's not me.
	You got to go.
	Okay.
	Under 30?
	Wait, you said under 50.
	Yeah, like under 30, I'm pretty sure.
	But over 10, for sure.
	Yeah, you said over 20.
	For sure.
	Yeah, over 20, under 30.
	Okay, over 20.
	Under 30.
	Under 50.
	Okay.
	Yeah, sure.
	I put NA because I don't know.
	I'm not someone that really writes down people's names and stuff.
	Like, I know people do that to keep track, so I don't have to worry about it.
	Let me.
	You put NA.
	I think so.
	Is that what you wait?
	Sorry.
	What about you?
	Four.
	Four?
	That's just for me and the main above.
	I feel like I don't want the whole world to know that number.
	You want to give us a range?
	It's under 10.
	Okay.
	Wait, and so you forgot?
	Not that I forgot.
	I just don't count every single one.
	So I don't know what to, I don't know what the number is because.
	Wait, you don't count every single one?
	No, not like off the top of my head.
	No.
	Is there a range?
	What's your body count?
	Oh, hold on.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey.
	How you going to skip me for the other questions?
	You're going to need for that one.
	I ain't going to answer none of the other ones.
	Hey, well, I let you go.
	Now you're back.
	You're back now.
	I'm definitely like under 50.
	Definitely under 50.
	Yeah, that's all I got, bro.
	I'm under 50s.
	I don't know.
	You're kind of a tall guy, right?
	I mean, but I like this.
	When I find a good thing, I like to keep it around.
	That's fair.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I like to keep going back to the whale.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So let's start.
	Let's start.
	Definitely don't want to go back in no desert.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Wow.
	Yeah, yeah, I like that.
	But because here's the thing, right?
	Like, if your body count was three, like, you don't just forget the three bodies.
	I could, when you start forgetting, that's like, I feel like that's 20 plus.
	No, not that I forget.
	It's just, I don't count a lot of them.
	That maybe would count.
	But I can.
	Because I've had serious relationships for the past, you know, eight years.
	So I couldn't guess what mine is because.
	How many serious relationships have you?
	Three.
	Three.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so it's at least three.
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, give me that number.
	Okay.
	Can I answer the body?
	Did the body count matter question?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Of course.
	I think it does matter, but I don't ask women for it.
	Because I'm just like, I don't believe you.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So I'm not about to sit here and say, oh, really?
	Just had three?
	Like, I don't know.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So I don't even care.
	But does it matter?
	It does matter, I think, on a biological level.
	Maybe not an emotional level, maybe not a political level.
	But I think I've read a study recently where they said when a woman has about two to ten partners, her ability to bond with a man decreased by 40%.
	So me personally, I think that's true because I see women.
	I think the more women have experiences, it's kind of get hard to, because they take on the energy of these men.
	But don't men too?
	I want to say, is there like a soul for men?
	I mean, I think, I think.
	I want to know though.
	You see one side easily.
	All right, all right, all right, all right.
	I don't think it is, but you're actually receiving.
	The man is actually giving.
	Now, maybe he's an overgiver, but I'd rather be an overgiver than an overreceiver physically.
	That's exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You're receiving from because you're taking on the energy of the man.
	The man is really giving you his energy.
	So, for example, now you can laugh all you want.
	Feminine energy just doesn't exist.
	I didn't say it don't exist during sex, though, because women can't transfer that energy.
	I'm just saying, man.
	If you're being penetrated, if a man got three women, right?
	And he's dealing with all three of them, they're becoming more like him.
	If a woman is dealing with three men, she's becoming like them.
	It's a difference between becoming like them and becoming like him.
	It's all going to a point.
	Women who are promiscuous a lot of times have a lot of mental issues, in my opinion.
	But I don't even ask.
	Same with men.
	Same with men.
	Possibly.
	Definitely.
	It's not possibly.
	That is a statistic.
	I don't know what to say.
	I can't tell you why.
	And the more you are, the more likely to be a person.
	I don't even ask women about their body count.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But I do think that a woman with multiple bodies, I'm more concerned with the type of guy she was with.
	I think the type of guy she was with previously, to me personally, means more to me because, for example, if she was with seven good guys and she was with one former criminal, that one dude would have way more impact on her than the seven church boys she dated.
	Same with if a guy is getting with strippers and stuff.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	I agree.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because it lowers your, because you think every woman just this wild, sexual, crazy demon.
	And it's like every woman's not like that.
	But I just feel like biologically, I think it affects women more.
	Does it affect men?
	Yes, it does.
	I just think it affects women more.
	I want to say, I feel like men are able to, I mean, like, women kind of have to learn how to play the game.
	Men just kind of like mentalize.
	Like, we could catch a body and keep it pushing.
	Like, they've been doing it since young.
	Like, I had to learn how to, like, you know, turn off the feelings turn on.
	Well, I think men generally have higher body counts than women, subjectively.
	Like, way, way higher.
	You'd be surprised.
	I think it's mechanical, more mechanical for men.
	Yeah.
	I think these days women are becoming more.
	I think these days.
	We're becoming more masculine.
	Yeah, I think women now have sex with you and keep it pushing.
	I think now today more than ever.
	I will concede to that.
	Hell yeah.
	Well, and a lot more women are celibate as well.
	Because we have this inventory of celibate women and not celibate.
	They say that.
	I know a lot of celibate women.
	I don't know.
	I know a lot of celibate women.
	Yeah, they celibate.
	They sell a little bit depending on how much they're trying to.
	They got a price.
	Not all of them, but you'd be surprised.
	Who are these women?
	Yeah, man.
	Come on, man.
	Stop acting like y'all know what's going on, man.
	Who are these groups?
	Who are these men that'll see you in the woods and just attack you?
	Who are they?
	I don't know.
	You got a point.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I guess they're from the same place, make-believe land.
	Exactly.
	They both from the same place.
	Disneyland.
	I don't know.
	But, Joe, you said you're an actor.
	Yeah.
	You're an excellent actor.
	I'm not saying that you're fake.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying is your decorum in the midst of heated conversations is excellent.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So I know that you can kill a roll.
	So I'm looking forward to see you blow up.
	So that's good.
	Yeah, because I had a conversation with a lot of women.
	They were really picky on you.
	I wouldn't say we were picking on you.
	I'm not seeing you every time.
	But you handle it, though.
	I've been on a lot of panels with even men that can't handle it.
	So the way you were able to stand in the grace of firelight, you're going to be a dope actor.
	So that's dope.
	Thank you.
	All y'all got pretty good decorums.
	You know, pretty good.
	You know what I'm saying?
	The future looks bright because I heard some young women with some sound minds.
	So, you know, I'm optimistic for the future.
	I got a daughter, you know.
	I love how the comments, though, when we first began this, were like, all these classy women, blah, blah, blah.
	And then there was like these nightcomers.
	I hate the trolls, man.
	I hate the trolls.
	They're very.
	The trolls could be, the communists could be extreme.
	I deal with the same thing, like on my own channel.
	Same.
	I had a show where I had a guy that advocates marriage.
	So all the dudes was mad at me because I was like, hey, I understand.
	Because it's men that just say, you know, women are terrible.
	And I think you should get your passport move.
	Okay.
	But if there's men that's saying, hey, I'm a married man.
	I have a successful marriage.
	And I'm speaking towards people who still want that.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	And a lot of men got mad at him.
	I'm like, how can you get mad at a man who has a wife?
	What else should he speak towards?
	And he's trying to help other people get women.
	He's talking to people who want what he has.
	Like, two worlds can exist.
	I think the extremism gets crazy.
	Why do you think men don't like women?
	Because obviously women don't like men for the reasons that I love women.
	I love.
	But you were saying that one guy.
	You were saying those guys say they don't.
	No, but these guys, these YouTube guys, a lot of times, you don't know what they look like.
	Because you don't know who's behind that screen.
	They're all kicker chats.
	Yeah, so sometimes you know, I hate to be vain, but sometimes you ever seen, you can hear somebody have an attitude or hear their talking points.
	Then when you actually see them, it's like, oh, I know why you're mad.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's like a lot of these dudes and these trolls and women, they have a lot of personal gripes.
	They don't like themselves.
	They don't like how they look.
	So they can really get off their little animus in these little chats in these panels.
	So I don't even take the trolls seriously.
	They be miserable.
	Sorry for the title.
	I'm not sure if you're a good person too.
	Thank you for the delay.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for all the insight.
	First time donating.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Five, four inches, 30-year male virgin here.
	With all the female high expectations, should I still look for a wife singer?
	Damn.
	I almost, maybe we got to get you on the show, Mythic.
	And he sent it in twice, bro.
	Hold on.
	Yo, thank you for the TTS, man.
	I really appreciate it.
	We'll give you advice here in just a second, but you sent it in twice.
	I'm going to church.
	Mythic Typhoon donated $200.
	Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for all the insight.
	Thank you.
	First time donating.
	First time.
	Five, four inches male virgin here.
	With all the female expectations, is there really any point in trying to continue to find a wife?
	Bro, you got to find yourself a 4'11 woman.
	Get yourself a little shorty.
	Not in America.
	Legally a dwarf.
	Maybe 4'9.
	I think it has to be 4'10, 4'9.
	Gets you into legal dwarf territory.
	You gotta date shorter, brother.
	And you gotta level up all the dimensions.
	Look, you're dealt the hands, you're dealt.
	You gotta just level up.
	You gotta min-max all the dimensions.
	Get your money right.
	Get fit.
	Get shredded.
	That's what you gotta do.
	But yeah, it's gonna be tough.
	That's tough.
	That's tough.
	I should maybe he shoot me a DM on Instagram.
	And it would, I might start bringing in.
	Oh, boy, I'm gonna get like a billion fucking DPs.
	I don't know if I should say.
	I might occasionally bring on like a guy here and there, you know, so we'll see.
	But send me a DM on Instagram.
	I'll talk to you.
	Thank you, mythic typhoon.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Oh, but he wants advice to find a wife.
	You could become a passport, bro, dude.
	That's his best bet.
	You could go, there's Latin America.
	Be careful.
	Yeah, she's a passport, bro.
	I am not.
	You are dating a Colombian.
	Wait.
	Yes.
	Colombian woman.
	That doesn't make me a passport, bro.
	They go specifically to look for wives.
	What?
	They go specifically to look for.
	I don't know why you were there.
	I didn't specifically go for that.
	So, okay.
	And I think East Asia.
	Asia is also good for the passport, bros.
	If you want to find, and they tend to be a bit shorter.
	Also, the Latina women on the shorter side.
	Oh, full.
	It's crazy, though.
	I've got a friend.
	She's 4'9.
	Oh, yeah.
	Single.
	But I'm pretty sure what type of height she want, though.
	Taller than her.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Mythic Typhoon.
	Her name's Pam.
	Pam?
	Pam.
	That's rough.
	I know.
	No, I love her.
	She's my bestie.
	Like, only a little better than Karen.
	Yeah.
	Pamela.
	Pamela.
	I mean, it is like the office, though.
	It's kind of fun.
	Has she found her gym?
	No.
	No, I'm her gym, basically.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	What do we have?
	Mythic Typhoon, though.
	Thank you for the TTS, man.
	let's see here.
	We were talking about, let's see.
	Oh, the body count thing.
	You kind of already went into that.
	Oh, the hypocritical thing.
	Yeah, so I actually don't think that there's, and this is also a question here.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with a guy who has a high body count preferring to date a woman with a low body count or even a virgin.
	I can't actually think of any why that would be like wrong or even hypocritical.
	I guess not.
	That's just their standard because I could say the same thing.
	a woman with a high body count just wants a man with low body count and if that's okay for but if that's i guess that i mean it's just her standard It is what it is.
	Yeah.
	But not that I agree, but it just is what it is.
	Because I feel like that's a standard that someone might have.
	I don't think it's hypocritical, though.
	Like, it might be hypocritical if he's like these fuck, like if he was talking shit about high body count women.
	And then he was like, one, sleeping with a bunch of women, contributing to said problem.
	And then two, he has a high body count himself.
	He's talking shit about them.
	Like, he's like, oh, this behavior is like abhorrent, blah, But he's still like continuing to just like have string one after the other.
	One night stand, one night stand, one night stand.
	I can't with yourself.
	But if you value your woman that much, you need to value yourself that much.
	And like it's the golden rule.
	You learn it when you're five years old.
	Treat people the way you want to be treated.
	If you're going around fucking everyone, treat people how you want to be treated, you know?
	How about this scenario?
	The guy is 30 years old and he's had some long-term relationships.
	He's had some one-night stands here.
	His body count is 30, which I think most people would say, yeah, it's a bit on the high side.
	So, but he's like, well, I, despite my body count being 30, I don't want to date a woman who has a body count of 30.
	I'd much rather date a woman who's got a body count of like three or less or a virgin.
	Is she younger?
	Because then that would.
	Well, that gets into age gap stuff, but like, let's just, I mean, say she's three years younger than him.
	Because I feel like if he's older, it is inevitable for him.
	Like, he's going to have more experience.
	He lived on the earth longer.
	He's going to have a higher body count.
	Because he lived on the earth longer.
	Then I feel like that's value.
	You're going to have, you know, as you age, you're going to accrue more sexual relationships typically.
	But I just feel like if that's what you want out of the world, you're not going to treat yourself like that.
	What do you mean?
	I actually don't think that's the case at all.
	Like a guy who's had sexual experiences, even through his own sexual experiences, could come to some conclusion or determination that like, it seems to be like he starts noticing patterns.
	And he's like, these women who have like body counts similar to mine, they are less faithful.
	They are like low, they're not as high quality as these women who happen to have low body counts.
	Why is it more respectful for a man to realize that at 30, but for a woman, you already caught 30 bodies, so you're just done for.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, why is it more respectful for a man to do that?
	But a woman couldn't change the same way.
	Yeah, so a couple things.
	So first, I don't think promiscuity is good in either gender.
	Like, I'm not saying that.
	Yeah, like 100%.
	Like, 100%.
	Yeah, I'm not saying like, because there is this common, I guess, response to this, my position is like, well, why is it okay for men?
	Like, da-da-da.
	I actually don't think it's good for men or women to be promiscuous.
	I don't think I wouldn't encourage it.
	Um, I do think there are some differences though, uh, when it comes to this, but so sorry, I, uh, your question was, um, can you repeat your, so like, say that I'm also like I turned 30 and I'm like, wow, the men I'm dealing with, they're crappy.
	I don't want to sleep around anymore.
	I want to deal with a man that has less body count.
	So I feel like.
	I don't want to do that.
	But does your stance still stay the same?
	Well, it wouldn't be a double standard insofar as a woman who, say, she racked up a body count of 30 and she's like, oh, I want to go and date a guy with a low body count.
	Yeah.
	Or.
	Is your stance still the same?
	No, she can do it.
	Yeah.
	No objections whatsoever.
	I do think there's still a difference then.
	And I think women are, they tend to care less about body count.
	They seem to be more forgiving of men who have a past of promiscuity.
	And also, I think there is a differential here.
	So this kind of ties into something else here on this list.
	So basically any woman has the capacity to be a slut.
	Yeah.
	Like any woman, if she wanted to, even if she's unattractive, could go like fuck 100 dudes in a year if she wanted to.
	Most women probably don't want to do that, but like they can.
	So because sex is harder to get for men, what you're going to end up seeing is that like women who are just undesirable, they can still like get sexual access from men.
	But men who are undesirable to women, they typically don't have that same level of sexual access to women.
	So men who can get laid a lot are just going to be like kind of across the board deemed as attractive, whether that's physically attractive, whether they have Riz or game, or they can elicit the click or the vibe.
	Because a lot of men can't like elicit, because some men, like they're nervous on first dates.
	Like most of you are probably not going to feel the click with a guy who's like kind of like his eye contact is shit and he's fumbling and his voice is shaking a little bit.
	He's not going to give you the click or the vibe or the chemistry.
	I guarantee you that.
	So the men that are capable of elicit, and these are typically players, right?
	Like most players, they can get you, they can get the chemistry from you.
	They can get the click, the vibe, whatever.
	Because they've done it with a bunch of other women.
	That's how they got sex from all these other women.
	So these men who are like super attractive in one metric or the other, whether they're good looking, they have status, maybe they're rich, whatever it is.
	Women don't need any of these other components to have sex.
	Like a woman could actually be physically unattractive and like fuck 100 dudes in a year.
	You got a point.
	Not gonna lie, you do have a point.
	Yeah, so I think the difference here is, is that like when it comes to the assessment of a partner, men are gonna look at a woman and like she could have a high body count, but like a woman who has a high body count doesn't necessarily correspond with her being like surface level attractive.
	And I'm not even talking like, I'm not even talking physically attractive, but like a like a terrible bitchy woman can like go fuck 100 dudes.
	But like, actually, well, I can maybe make the same, like scumbag dudes can also like get pussy.
	So I don't know.
	Maybe that's not the best argument.
	But in any case, like, hmm.
	I know there's like a stronger steel man to my position, but I can't.
	It's not coming to my brain.
	I mean, women like men who women, women like men who get women.
	That's what attracts them.
	We don't like when they brag about their body count, especially if it's high.
	No, you probably don't, but at the same time, it's a million women going to Chris Brown concert knowing damn well he's not picking them and they'll still take a thousand spends take a picture with him.
	So they know he has other women.
	They know he's messed with other women and they're still drawn to them because they are kind of turned on by that.
	Because sometimes I've heard women say, well, if nobody else wants you, why should I?
	So it's kind of like, it's kind of like a, it's a little, it's a little catchy because it's a little funny.
	It can go either way.
	But women really like a man because it's a skill set.
	Getting women is a skill set.
	Getting men doesn't require anything.
	You just got to be there.
	So to get multiple women, I have to be witty.
	I have to be charismatic.
	Fake job.
	I got to, you know, do a little thing.
	Like he said, like, you don't have to do nothing to get men.
	Men have to have certain attributes to get women, which so oftentimes those attributes are attractive to women.
	Yeah, like the skill set required from a guy or just like whatever, maybe it's status or whatever, like the requisite skill set for a man to get laid in order to like get that high body count is like has to be something.
	Whereas women, you can just show up.
	I want to say I did circle a question that said that it's it's um easier for girls to go on dates than men.
	So or no, I didn't circle it.
	Yeah, I guess I agree with that 100%.
	But yeah, no, it's like any of you women here could like if you wanted to, you guys could go have sex with like a hundred dudes in the next month.
	Every single woman at this table, let me ask you, okay, let me ask.
	Do you think you could?
	Like if you want, you wanted to, you're like, I want to have sex with a hundred men in the next 30 days.
	You think you could do it?
	I mean, if I wanted to.
	If you wanted to.
	I know I could, but that wouldn't.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Like the amount of men, like if you were to pull men and be like, in the next 30 days, do you think you can fuck 100 women?
	No.
	I think I know some of them.
	Unless they're rich with some status.
	A regular dude can't do that.
	A regular woman working at Burger King can do that.
	Yeah, the average person.
	I would argue, even like a below average looking woman, she can do it.
	We've had them on the show.
	Elite men can possibly do that.
	Yeah, so like the, when it comes to like the getting laid thing, you use the great word there, elite.
	So like the sexual optionality that even the average or below average woman has is comparable.
	The sexual pull that you have is comparable to, as a guy, to get that same amount.
	You have to be an A-list celebrity.
	You have to be a professional athlete, like a musician, like top-tier musician, famous, like insane status, insane something or other.
	And if you look at it, even those guys who are famous and have the pick of the litter, they often just end up dealing with the same girls that somebody else dealt with.
	Like, you see, these girls go from future to this guy.
	So, even the elite men are having obviously trouble because if you're a rich man and you can have any woman in the world and you only seem to get Drake's ex or Chris Brown's ex, they're even having trouble doing it, obviously, because that doesn't make sense to me.
	If you can have access to the world, why do you want the ex of somebody who's in your field, in your craft?
	So, even elite men who make money still can't just get what they want.
	So, they even have it worse than a woman who ain't got nothing.
	Go figure.
	So, what I was going to say, it's not necessarily that I was kind of thinking about it.
	It's not necessarily hypocritical.
	Well, I mean, I think that it's hypocritical, but if we're not arguing hypocritical for a high body count guy to want a low body count girl, my issue with it in my experience personally is that I will have gone on a date with a guy and he will say, What's your body count?
	And I say it, and he gets excited.
	And he doesn't get excited because he genuinely cares about me, likes my interests, anything like that.
	He was like, Oh, you know, like in the past, it would be like, Oh, she has like one or two.
	Meanwhile, he has 20 or 30.
	And he views it, I feel like, more as like a purity thing.
	And it's like, it kind of gives me personally the ick.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Because, because, because I think that someone, you know, having a high or low body count, I don't think I'm any more or less pure than someone who has, you know, a higher or low body count.
	Well, your sexual purity would be less pure.
	For me personally, I don't want someone, I guess, who looks at my amount and is like, oh, well, I want to be with her because, you know, she's less experienced than me.
	I, if a guy previously would have gone and like asked me out and we went on a date and he asked me that question, I like immediately shut it down.
	I'm like, this isn't going to work because you asked that question.
	And like the very first time that I never felt that was with my current partner.
	So like everyone has different preferences of what they want and maybe it's hypocritical or not hypocritical, but I think that there is this kind of like there's so many guys that are getting with girls and they are having these high body counts, but then girls like are expected to be completely pure like snow.
	And it's kind of like pure, but pure.
	For me, I just don't, I guess I don't understand why, like why they would want that.
	Because we're men and we know that other men's energy is still.
	I even seen a study where if a woman is pregnant, like if a woman had unprotected sex with men and they done ejaculated or whatever, that DNA even affects the child you have with her.
	So it's a, yeah, look it up.
	Like his did the DNA of other men are in the child that they have with the woman.
	So it's a huge thing when it comes to men and women.
	Like I said, we keep these conversations real emotional, but scientifically, it's just different.
	It's like if you got a cup of water, if one person put their finger in it, you might take a sip.
	But if I put my finger in there, she put her finger in there, she put her finger, you're not drinking that water.
	I know, but if your cup of water that you drink already, like, has a ton of fingers that have been in it, but then you want a new cup of water, I guess my issue.
	I'm the cup.
	You can just wash the cup off.
	The water is the water.
	That's my issue.
	I guess my issue with it comes down to some girls are fine and they like view lower body counts for themselves as like purity and that's what they want and they want like a guy who has, you know, who likes that and that's fine and that's great and all.
	But like I guess I guess what I'm saying is what what is the motivation for a guy to like, I guess look down on a girl for that when he's done the same exact thing.
	Like I know you guys explained it, but I still don't necessarily understand.
	I mean because some stuff you because you're not a man, so we're telling you what it is.
	It's not stopping us from bonding with her.
	Having sex with multiple men will prevent you from bonding with, I've seen it with my own eyes.
	Like women who come out of the sex world, come out of the porn life, they be crazy.
	It'd be hard for them to attach themselves because they've desensitized something that is highly valuable.
	A woman's sexuality is very powerful.
	That is her.
	Not to limit her to just sex, but it's a powerful thing.
	Like you can, life comes out of you.
	So to just let anybody come in there over and that's going to just affect your ability to pair with the man.
	And when I've met women with high body counts, they're very argumentative.
	They're very, they like to debate.
	They're not the most agreeable women.
	They're hard to bond with because you're literally dealing with the men in them.
	And it's like those men are still in them.
	They're all over the place.
	They're confused.
	Like I said, one man with multiple women, they're becoming more acquiescent to his energy.
	So it's coming to a point.
	It's like the bottom of the pyramid as opposed to the top.
	The top comes to a point.
	The bottom is very broad.
	So the woman who has a lot of men, she's the broad bottom.
	The men that is dealing with multiple women, he's the top.
	So they're all getting like me.
	But if you're dealing with multiple men, you're just like them.
	A master of, a jack of trades is a master of none.
	So it's the difference.
	If it's easier for a woman to get laid, though, then wouldn't they have higher body counts just because of the...
	They kind of do, though.
	But the fact that she...
	But it'd be easier for them to...
	But that's why it says a lot about a woman who doesn't do that.
	Because if it's easy for you to just get any man and you choose not to do that, that says a lot about you as a woman, which makes you what?
	More attractive.
	Because that means you're showing decorum.
	That means you're showing self-control.
	Even a woman who is being respectful in today's time, because everything about today's time is more advocating for women to be sassy and talk back and all that.
	So to me, beauty is a responsibility, not a bargaining chip.
	Then are men trying to get high body counts like for practice, essentially?
	No, I don't think they try to, I don't think it's a, I don't think we do it on purpose.
	I think it just, it happens because as a man, some women are just give it up easy.
	And a lot of times women be starting that sexual activity.
	I've had women get mad at me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them.
	They thought I was weird.
	I'm like, no, I really was just trying to get to know you.
	It's usually men, though, that are the chasers that are pursuing that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We're pursuing.
	So exactly.
	So if you're constantly pursued by multiple men and you're able to deny that, that says a lot about you as a woman.
	That means you're a dope woman because you could easily just acquiesce to that.
	And you're like, nah, so that says more about you.
	A man, he at least acquiring some type of skill by getting these type of women.
	He has to be a little charming.
	He has a choice, essentially.
	Yeah, he has to be a little charming.
	You can't just be any kind of guy and get women.
	You got to know how to talk.
	You got to know how to dress.
	You got to know how to make a laugh.
	So even though it's not great, like he said, nobody should be promiscuous.
	But there's a skill set that's learned by men by dealing with multiple women.
	What are women learning by getting multiple men?
	Nothing.
	She just lowering her value, in my opinion.
	What if she's like crazy incredible in bed?
	She's had like so many experiences.
	So she's a porn star.
	Be that.
	Yeah.
	All right, great.
	Nobody wants to marry that, though.
	Maybe Adam 22.
	Huh?
	Wait, okay, so a couple things here.
	So you raised a couple interesting points previously, but like you said, okay, well, what does a woman gain?
	She will, you know, if she has more sexual experiences, higher body count, she gets better in bed.
	I mean, my counter to this would be: well, a woman could have like 20 one-night stands with 20 different men, but she only slept with them once, whereas she could have like maybe one, two, three long-term partners, and she's had sex with like all of them a hundred times.
	And so, like, I would argue that the woman who's had like sex multiple times with like the same one, two, or three partners is likely to be better sexually than her like more hyper-promiscuous.
	I mean, even if we like pair it off, even if it's like a one-to-one, so here's the scenario: a girl has a boyfriend and she slept with him a hundred times, and that was her only body, versus a woman who slept with a hundred different men one time each.
	I'm still kind of prepared to say that the girl with the boyfriend, probably still better in bed.
	It's it's a little gray, but in any case, I'm still prepared.
	Like, that's probably not a scenario that's really gonna manifest itself as frequently.
	So, what you find in promiscuous women is oftentimes they don't have like prolonged sexual experiences with men, they'll have one-night stands.
	Uh, the man honestly is probably not gonna give her any feedback in these situations because he doesn't care.
	Whereas, like, a boyfriend might try to guide her, might say, Oh, this is what I like, this is what I don't like.
	In a promiscuous, one-night stand, casual encounter, most people are not gonna like actually voice, like, oh, hey, I like it when you do this, or I like it when you do that.
	So, I think that's one component there.
	Um, but then also, um, even if a woman is bad in bed, I'll just grant to you, like, you're dating a virgin.
	And I, one, I don't even think she would be bad in bed, but like, if you're the guy in this scenario and he, you do have experience as the guy, uh, if you know how to lead, you can have good sex with a girl who's had no sexual experience.
	I don't know if you can say the same thing about like a woman who's like dealing with a new.
	Like, do you really want to teach a guy how to fuck you?
	Probably not.
	It's going to be a turnoff for most women, unless you're more dominant or whatever in the bedroom.
	But if you're a bit more submissive in the bedroom as a woman, and the guy's the leader, and most virgin women are probably going to defer to your leadership when it comes to sexual activity because she lacks experience and you know how to lead in the bedroom.
	I'm pretty sure you can, you just tell her what to do.
	Here's what I like.
	I think you're going to have a pretty stellar sexual experience with her, despite her being a virgin.
	And I want to add this real quick: I think the woman's having a skill set in sex is an overrated narrative.
	You ain't got to really do shit.
	Like, men are the ones who really got to do all the work.
	Like, what do you really have to do to have good sex?
	Dude, such a friends.
	So, a woman just has to be, in my opinion, receptive, a little flexible, enthusiastic, and just have the right attitude.
	She doesn't have to do a lot of shit.
	You know what I mean?
	So, this good sex, what does that mean?
	Like, good sex mean it's wet and you can handle it.
	You don't have to do nothing.
	I'm working.
	I have to really know what I'm doing.
	I got to really know how to get your shit.
	A woman ain't got to do that.
	That riding shit y'all think y'all doing.
	We only give a fuck about that shit.
	Yeah, all that crazy shit.
	We don't care.
	That crazy shit.
	I got something on this, though.
	I 100% agree with you.
	As long as she's like enthusiastic about it and she's a good sport and she's open-minded, that's all it takes.
	And receptive.
	Yeah.
	And on that note, there is like there is, I think, a differential between like what it takes to be good in bed between like a man and a woman.
	And so I think just the like the actual, how do I properly articulate this?
	Like the actual physical act of sex, I think it's typically going to be like, in terms of it being pleasurable for the man versus the woman, I think it's much more like, like actually physically intensive and demanding for the man versus the woman.
	In terms of like, so for example, okay, I know you probably don't like this, but if the girl is just laying there, or let's say a girl's just in doggy style and she's not moving at all, can you bring yourself to climax?
	Absolutely lutely.
	Now, I would argue, because of the difference in orgasm response between men and women, so if we just are, if we are standing up and you put yourself in doggy position and you don't get anything from us, you just get a hard on.
	And we'll stay hard.
	We'll stay hard.
	And we won't like premature ejaculate, whatever the fuck.
	I don't know why I'm okay.
	Question for you.
	Can you guys bring yourself?
	You can't use your hands.
	Just through penetrative, just penetrative sex.
	Can you guys bring yourself to climax if the guy's doing nothing?
	No.
	Sometimes.
	Some women can.
	Some women can.
	A lot can't, though.
	No, some women can.
	It depends on the position.
	I think it's like.
	The position is the biggest thing.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Whatever yourself.
	Depends on your enthusiasm to yourself.
	Y'all get off on that, but we hate that shit.
	Like, riding does nothing for us.
	Not everybody.
	Wait, you don't like a curl on top?
	Listen, let me tell you.
	Listen, listen, listen.
	I said it for you.
	All right.
	That's my favorite.
	I mean, dude.
	I mean, it's not.
	It's my favorite.
	There's two types of riding.
	You got women who do this fake grind thing where they just folding and bending your shit around.
	And then your shit.
	They think that does something.
	That does something for them.
	That don't do shit for me.
	Now, if you're riding me and you know how to ride, which most women I've met don't know how to do, when you're actually going up and down.
	I hate to get graphic.
	You don't have to know how.
	No, you don't.
	But I'm talking about in the position that you're where you're doing the work and you're getting pleased.
	So that's a riding position.
	That's the position where the woman does the most work.
	Right, ladies?
	That's the position.
	So in that position, a woman can get pleasure without the man doing anything.
	So since we're talking about a position that requires no effort from the man, that's the riding position.
	We on the same page?
	Okay.
	So since we're on that position, that grinding, grinding shit they be doing, it does absolutely nothing for a man.
	Your shit is not supposed to go sideways.
	But that's what it does when she's answering you.
	When a woman is grinding and whining on you, your shit is going like this.
	It's not in one position.
	What are you talking about?
	So y'all never grind.
	Y'all never got on.
	Like, come on, man.
	Well, you only have four bodies.
	I don't know what you're doing.
	So now you're trying to shame me, bro.
	I'm not shaming you anymore.
	I say you only have four bodies, which means you don't have a lot of experience.
	But how is that shaming you?
	But how is that shaming you?
	I never knocked you for it.
	No, okay.
	I'm going to let you have that.
	Because I'm talking about stuff.
	Hold on, let me, hold up.
	Why are you yelling?
	You don't have four bodies.
	So you can't really be in the conversation.
	You've only got four bodies.
	Okay, can I respond with logic and not emotional?
	We're talking about a position that people who have sex are familiar with because they do it often.
	If you listen, you'll learn something if you can be quiet.
	This shit ain't rocket science.
	Why you being so defensive?
	Ain't no wrong ass.
	That's the one who brought up four bodies.
	Because it's not a bad shit, dude.
	Because you're.
	We should not.
	Absolutely.
	Sweetheart, we Gucci.
	You don't think this is...
	Uh-oh, no.
	You don't like what you see?
	No, because it's not.
	You don't like what you see?
	Come on.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I'm not interested in that.
	I've been putting on people's bodies.
	Because you're not listening to the context.
	You're just being emotional.
	We're not talking about, we're not talking about, we're not saying because you don't have sex, you can't have an opinion.
	Get out your feelings, sweetheart.
	I'm not doing that.
	We're grown.
	You're here.
	You're invited here.
	So you have a great place to talk.
	What I'm talking about is, like, I'm not an actor, so I'm not going to have that much to say about acting.
	That doesn't mean she's demeaning me by saying that.
	I don't have the experience.
	Get out of yourself.
	What I'm talking about is: if you're getting, if you're when you're having sex, I've had sex with multiple women.
	A lot of women like to get on top of you and grind.
	Women that have sex multiple, even you, have you.
	Don't put me in none of your whole shit that you got.
	Just put, just say what you got to say and leave me out of it.
	Go ahead.
	Continue.
	Anyway, when you have sex with a man, women, have you ever got on top of a man and grinded?
	Have you grinded on a man when you're riding him, ladies?
	Yes or no?
	Have you done that before?
	I like the girl to be on top, but I want to do all the work.
	I'm just saying, ladies, have y'all done that before?
	Have you got on top of a man and started grinding on him as opposed to going up and down?
	Have you done that before?
	You do a little bit of both.
	Have you done it before?
	Oh, I know what you're talking about.
	Thank you.
	I'm not talking rocket science, bud.
	I know what he's talking about.
	But I feel like girls already know that this motion without it picking up is not doing anything.
	Yeah, we know it's not.
	Okay, so back to the point.
	But you brought up a position where she says she can get off without the man.
	It happens to be a position where we don't feel anything.
	So the position that we actually get off on, you do too.
	But the position that you get off on, only you get off on.
	So when I brought up the body count, it wasn't to dismiss her.
	It's because maybe you didn't have as many experiences, which is a great thing.
	So it's not knocking you for that.
	That's good.
	You have a level of purity.
	We don't, because my issue is we don't even need you to have a high skill set to have sex.
	So your body count don't even fucking matter for sex to be good from a man's perspective.
	You just have to be available and willing.
	And we, most of the time, will do the rest.
	Okay.
	What the fuck is so controversial about that?
	So what I was, that kind of goes to the point that I was trying to make, though, is that isn't that kind of reduced?
	Because like when you're dating, you want them to be your life partner.
	That's the end goal, right?
	I would say for most people who are dating, they want at the end of the day, placeholder safe place.
	We're hypothetical.
	She's right.
	We're following.
	Go ahead.
	Hypothetical.
	You want it to be your life partner and you want it to be your best friend.
	You want to marry your best friend.
	At least that's how I feel.
	A lot of people feel.
	That's how I feel.
	Sure.
	That being said, there's such a high pressure of body counts.
	And I feel like there's this weird, almost like fetishized purity thing that you that you, it's not, okay, not weird.
	Sorry.
	Not a validity.
	You think it's icky.
	You think it's icky.
	No, it's ignorant.
	Sorry, sorry.
	You know, but for me personally, I feel like, isn't that kind of like, can you see the perspective of women when that's kind of reducing them down to, oh, well, I want to be with them versus I don't want to be with them because of like this purity.
	I mean, and you should want them as a person, right?
	You should fall in love with them.
	That's a good question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you acknowledge that like a, I would argue a majority of women, so when I say majority, I mean 51% or more.
	I would argue 51% or more of women would not date a guy if he was shorter than her.
	Would you agree with that?
	You think 51%?
	Yeah, I think a majority of women would not date a man who's shorter than her.
	Most women prefer to date taller men.
	I mean, you think that's a fair statement?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't, is that an action?
	Won't even grant it.
	I mean, it's unless it's like, is that a statistic?
	It's backed up by findings on data.
	I think it's true.
	Yeah, I would say 100%.
	I want to say, I dated a short guy for three years and I got made fun of for it.
	So that was my longer.
	Also, like he was shorter.
	Right, but so look, but again, I'm talking about majority here.
	So do some women date shorter men?
	Yes.
	Do some women not care about height?
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	But so it's just like, why are women allowed to have like XYZ preference?
	Like, y'all have, and you guys.
	Also, who's pickier, men or women?
	Women.
	Women.
	Who's pickier?
	I don't, it depends.
	It depends.
	It depends on the individual, but I want to say that it depends on the situation.
	Are they dating?
	Are they just fucking?
	Are they generally, generally speaking?
	Who's pickier, men or women?
	Women.
	Women.
	Yeah.
	Me.
	Okay.
	So women have XYZ standard, XYZ preference, XYZ boundary.
	And so it's, that's what's confusing to me.
	Like, you're saying, well, why is this small little?
	Actually, your past promiscuity is like really important.
	And it's one like men don't really ask for much, but like the things we do care about tend to like matter a whole bunch.
	So I don't understand why you're trying to diminish like a male preference when it comes to dating.
	Like, yeah, I think your promiscuity, and I can get into some of the reasons why, but I think it's actually super important.
	Okay.
	I'm not trying to diminish it as your preference personally.
	I guess I am concerned with why so many men, like it's like, it's like an epidemic of men.
	And it's.
	Yeah, I'll answer it.
	And also, it's not that someone prefer, like, like you guys stated plenty of good reasons why you would value someone who has a lower body count.
	But what I'm talking about is the fetishized, fetishized, fetishizing, fetishizing?
	Of like, it's almost like innocence.
	Like, I guess the reason why I feel like it gives me an ick, and you know, I've talked a lot with my other girlfriends about this is because it gives this illusion that you're a child almost.
	Like you've had so little, you've had so little like experiences that like it almost gives you an ick if a guy is turned on by that.
	And that's what like me and some of my girlfriends' experiences are of like what we view when a guy says that.
	So I guess just so I'm clear, are you having trouble comprehending an adult woman staying a virgin past the age of 18?
	No, I'm not, I'm not, I have no like issue with that.
	Let me ask you more, it's more the guy's perspective of like why that's so obvious.
	But you're trying to pathologize like sort of one and innate evolutionary and biological preference of men.
	Also, it actually makes sense intellectually if you think about it.
	But let me ask you a question.
	What do you object to more?
	A man who's 30 who dates a 30-year-old virgin because you think this is reminiscent of like a woman being a child or a man who's 30 who dates an 18 year old?
	What's more objectionable to you?
	30, wait, a 30-year-old man who dates a 30-year-old?
	A 30-year-old man who dates a 30-year-old woman who's a virgin versus a 30-year-old man who dates an 18-year-old, I should have added this, dates an 18-year-old who's slept with 10 men.
	What's more objectionable to you?
	I would say, is he dating the 30-year-old because he genuinely likes her as a person?
	He likes both of them as a person.
	Okay, but what I'm saying is, would he date the 30-year-old over that because of the body count?
	That's when I feel like it becomes like a weird situation.
	But I still feel like if he slept the 18-year-old, that is weird to me.
	Well, we can get into the age gap stuff here in a bit, but so hold on.
	More, it's more objectionable?
	I don't, I think it just, it's, it, it seems like infantizing, I guess.
	Like, you mean infantizing?
	No, I know what you're saying.
	You know what I'm trying to say?
	Infantilizing.
	Yes, that word.
	But you acknowledge that there are women in their like mid to late 20s.
	Yes, but yes, but are they staying virgins because of the same reason that guys are wanting virgins?
	I guess it's the motivation.
	I think you're thinking for us.
	We're telling you why men want it.
	It has nothing to do with keeping you as a child.
	It's just that there's a psychological aspect to women dealing with multiple men.
	We don't want to deal with that.
	We're not trying to control the fact that you've been with another guy and we're jealous.
	No, there's mental effects to women who've been with multiple men.
	It's not about we want you to be like a child.
	We're telling you right now what it is.
	It's the mental side effect of her inability to pair bond after a certain time.
	Are there women?
	I'm sorry.
	Are there women that are more evolved mentally who can dwart that?
	Absolutely.
	Are they the majority?
	No.
	We have a chat here coming in.
	Oh boy.
	Okay.
	These girls have had so much love sausage that their vagina and our souls are combined.
	What the fuck?
	Just blank faces reminiscing about one day.
	What the fuck?
	Bro, come on, Doc.
	I can't read that part.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Hunter Biden.
	That's great, Hunter Biden.
	Appreciate it.
	To add on to what he says, I said I was going to get into it, but I didn't.
	So when it comes to why men care about body count, there's quite a few different reasons.
	One is the STD component, right?
	And this is actually something that's ingrained in both men and women.
	So like, obviously, we want to avoid something that could negatively impact our health.
	There's obviously, in addition to that, there's an intellectual level here when it comes to STDs.
	There's a social stigma that's attached to this.
	It's going to be harder to probably find it.
	Like, imagine if you have to like disclose, by the way, if somebody, you have to disclose you have herpes to like, are they going to walk away from you at that point?
	Yeah, you're going to have a more difficult time like securing a partner because of this.
	So like the STD component is a big thing.
	That's on the intellectual level.
	But on the evolutionary level, this is something that exists in men that doesn't exist in women.
	And here's why.
	So, well, there's a couple things.
	So as a woman, it comes down to, I don't know if you've heard this term, paternity uncertainty.
	So as a woman, if you have a child, like you burrow the child, there's no doubt that the child is yours.
	Like there's no, oh, my husband cheated on me.
	Is it my, no, like whoever put it, like, it's your kid, no matter what, whoever you sleep with.
	As a man, since you guys are the ones who give birth, there's no way for us to know if the child is ours.
	And so, and you might say, well, okay, there's DNA tests.
	Yeah, but that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution where DNA tests were not available.
	So a woman who sleeps with another man, and let's assume that we sleep with the same woman at the same time.
	You go back, I don't know, 70 years, and say a woman sleeps with three men at the same time.
	They all you know what I mean.
	No way to tell who the father is.
	And then, so it comes down to like, okay, am I going to get tricked into raising a child that's not mine?
	Am I going to invest my resources to raise a child?
	Because the gene is selfish.
	We want to survive and replicate.
	We want to be able to have children, have offspring.
	And so it is one of the biggest L's a guy can take in his life to raise a child that he thinks is his, but isn't.
	So men have like a massive disgust response.
	Women have it too, but like to a lesser degree.
	Men have a huge disgust response when it comes to promiscuity and women because of this one thing.
	And it's just evolutionary.
	I know there's DNA tests, but it doesn't like, for example, when it comes to who here has like has anxiety or has a panic attack, right?
	So like we have, you can go see a psychologist and they can explain to you, oh, this is fight or flight response.
	They can actually like, they can prescribe you medication.
	They can explain to you, oh, there's not actually like a tiger that's about to kill you, but you still get that adrenaline dump.
	And then you're having like a panic attack or like anxiety.
	So even having an intellectual understanding of why you're like having an anxiety, it can actually help a little bit when it comes to anxiety.
	Like if you understand what's going on, but like it doesn't necessarily prevent people who suffer from like anxiety disorder, panic attack disorder.
	It doesn't necessarily like, oh, I can intellectualize why I'm having the panic attack.
	My panic attack disorder is now solved.
	It's that typically for some people that can resolve their disorder.
	For most, they're going to need further intervention, other sorts of things.
	But so because of this, if a woman fucks a bunch of other dudes, we can't determine who the father is.
	Massive L for a guy.
	Here's an example, right?
	Let's say, and this is why there's a bit of a different judgment when it comes to promiscuity between men and women.
	So a woman, let's say this is, you go back 100 years, right?
	A woman who has 10 husbands and they're all sleeping with her at the same time, right?
	Who's the father?
	You don't know.
	Like there's no way to know who's the actual father.
	Whereas a man who has 10 wives, and they're all loyal to him.
	And we've got to understand that double standards exist.
	For example, we both can earn money, but I'm expected to be a little more established than the woman.
	Is it fair?
	Can we make the argument that men are, we have feelings too?
	And yeah, but the truth is, this is what it is.
	It's not fair, but we have double standards.
	Ours are economic, yours are physical.
	That's life.
	It's unfortunate too, because then it causes, you know, men to abandon their families when they have multiple wives and kids.
	And that's a huge problem.
	Oh, well, I'm not in favor of polygamy.
	I'm not in favor of polygamy, but.
	No, like what you said earlier about like the like STDs, that to me makes perfect sense.
	And I understand why someone would want that from that perspective.
	And I am listening to your second point, and I understand like, you know, that's that's where you're coming from.
	That being said, with so many men still being promiscuous when they're younger and then having that double standard that we've acknowledged, is it kind of unrealistic, I suppose, to think that every guy out there should have a girl that has a super, super low body count, though?
	Because if guys are going out and having sex with these girls to get their experience, then where are the girls going to give a number?
	Yeah, yeah, and where are these girls?
	So I actually agree with you here.
	I 100% agree with you.
	There's not enough low body count women to probably go around, if that's kind of what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like some men are going to, like, after, they're going to have to settle.
	Actually, well, I mean, I don't know if they would settle on this.
	Well, there's also some men who don't care.
	Some men don't care.
	A lot of women.
	A lot of men don't care.
	My mine does not.
	I'm not sure about that.
	You should have a conversation with him.
	Like, ask him.
	You should ask him.
	We're going to be talking about it.
	Yeah.
	You know what, though?
	I think men will lie about this for a couple of reasons.
	One, he's already in a relationship with you.
	Two, like, sometimes it's hard to, like, once you're in a situation, can you get out of it?
	But I think that, and if he's trying to get you and you reveal like, and he's trying to sleep with you, most men are not going to be like, oh.
	I mean, some men will, it'll be a deal breaker for.
	But like a lot of men, they're not going to pass up the chance for sex.
	So they'll just like, oh, whatever.
	Oh, wait, I had something really, oh, you should try this with your boyfriend.
	Be like, would you prefer, because you brought up like, oh, be better in bed, right?
	Yeah.
	You should ask him, like, so you would prefer me if I had fucked 30 other, 30 additional guys, right?
	So it's funny that you actually mentioned that.
	We've had this conversation.
	And yes, he did say that he would have preferred it.
	Holy fuck.
	If I had more expensive.
	He's a different kind of guy.
	Well, he didn't say it like it was a bad thing, but you know, when, you know, obviously my number is four.
	When we got together, it was three, you know, so he knew that going in.
	Okay.
	And when we had sex for the first time, he was like, can you like, like, he, it was bothersome for him.
	And that was the first time because previously.
	Can you be a bit more specific?
	Like it was a position or something.
	Like, like Archer.
	Okay, so like the very, the first girls be like rounded, didn't you?
	No, so like the first three guys that I was with, it was, you know, like, it was like, you know, they didn't give me feedback.
	They were like, oh my God, you're so amazing.
	You're great.
	And then I got to him.
	Yeah.
	And he was like, you've had sex before?
	Like, it was almost like he was like, it was like, like, you're so bad at it.
	Like, like, not bad, but it was just, you know, like, it was, you know, when it he.
	I just didn't know yet.
	Yeah, I just didn't know yet, you know, like, there's no shame in that.
	And I would never say that.
	He didn't say it in a mean way.
	He said, he didn't say it in a mean way.
	Okay, how did he say it then?
	He was like, can you, like, please just taunt me?
	Like, put my, like, wrapped my head up.
	It was like, we can, we can, like, let's just kiss.
	Um, so it was like, you know.
	Well, I mean, that's a little different than how you originally painted it, but.
	It, like.
	Like, like, he, he was, he felt like I think he would, I think that it was a little bit more bothersome because he had, had had more sexual experience that, like, significantly, he did a lot of partying, raves, stuff like that.
	And so I think he had like a certain standard of like what sex was supposed to be.
	And then can I ask you one quick question?
	Um, how long did you wait before hooking up with him?
	Him?
	So I actually do agree with your point that like you know right away.
	Like I might like every single time.
	I'm not judging you.
	I'm just yeah, every single time that I have like had a romantic partner, it's been like, I know from the get-go, like it's him or it's nothing type of situation.
	So it's like first, second, third date type.
	Yeah, something like that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So this started out casually, your relationship with him.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, like, he came in to my, to my, the restaurant I was working in and he asked for my number and like we went on a date.
	Everything was great.
	We went on a couple dates and I just, I don't know, like I just knew from like the moment that it was like it was going to be like him.
	Who's that girl from Clueless?
	Alicia Silverstone?
	You look a little bit like her.
	I don't know.
	That's just a little bit.
	Wait, so okay.
	So your boyfriend gave you a hard time.
	A little bit of a hard time.
	Yeah.
	So but so you had a conversation.
	We did.
	And he said, I would have preferred a couple other dicks had been inside of you.
	Well, he didn't verb.
	He didn't say it exactly like that.
	Well, he said, what did he say?
	He didn't say, I wished a couple more dicks were inside me.
	He said something along the lines of like, you know, um, what exactly did he say?
	I, I said, like, oh, you don't, like, I, I was feeling a little insecure because of some of the comments, you know, like, I was, like, in my head a little bit.
	And I was like, you know, like, would you have preferred, you know, like, or like, would you judge me if I had more?
	Like, like, like, before we had the conversation.
	The story keeps changing here.
	I feel like.
	Okay, so, like, I said, essentially, like, would it be, would have, would it have been better if I had more?
	Or would you, if that was the case, would you then have judged me?
	Like, I was asking if it was a double-edged sword kind of thing.
	Like, is like, are you happy?
	Or, like, would you never be happy in this situation?
	Well, and he, and he was like, he was like, I don't care about your, your, your body count.
	He was like, you know, like, it was, it was kind of a conversation that we had where it was like moving past this like idea that he didn't want like a pure virgin, basically.
	Like, he didn't want he, that's not what he wanted.
	And that was the first time that I had heard that out of a guy.
	And I guess in my head, for my ethics and my standards, that's when I knew like he was the one.
	But I did also recognize.
	Wait, hold on.
	Sounds familiar.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Wait, there's so many things here.
	Hold on.
	He's like very feminist.
	Did he vote for Kamala?
	Of course he did.
	Okay.
	The point when you knew he was the one was when he said, you're bad in bed.
	I wished you fucked more guys.
	Is anybody else hearing the same thing?
	I'm hearing that.
	It wasn't that it was that.
	It was more of for the first time in like my dating life, there wasn't someone who was trying to like equate my self-worth to a number, I guess.
	So it was really refreshing.
	But what I wouldn't it still be equating to a number?
	Because instead of him wanting your body count to be low, he wants it to be high, which is still a number.
	Like he wants, oh, you didn't fuck 30 dudes before me for a while.
	I guess, okay, okay, I guess it's because I'm still the same thing.
	I come from a Southern Baptist background, and like previous to him, all of the guys that I was talking about.
	Do your parents approve of him?
	Oh, they, yeah.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	Are your parents conservative?
	So my parents used to be a lot more religious when I was growing up.
	Like when I was growing up, things were incredibly different, mostly because of the church that we were in.
	And it was kind of like a cult, if I'm being quite honest.
	Now that my parents are older, they're like, they're still very religious.
	Sure.
	But they.
	Who did they vote for?
	My parents voted Democrat.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Because my parents' viewpoint on religion, and this is also like my viewpoint on religion still, is that how you hold religion is like within you and that's your own like truth and that's that's for you and it's not for anyone else and no two people will believe the like will read a scripture and interpret it the same way and so my parents i feel like kind of view a lot of modern Day Christian churches,
	like those mega churches and stuff like that, to be like just a modern-day interpretation of the Pharisees.
	So, sure.
	Um, wait, so okay, going back to your boyfriend.
	Um, I'm like, I hope my parents are.
	Wait, hold on.
	The wait, wait, wait.
	I had something on this.
	Uh, your boyfriend, he he wanted, so he was waiting.
	Oh, no, no, no, okay, I have it.
	So, okay, you said it was the first time in your life that you ever heard a man say that he preferred, he would have preferred you less pure, right?
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't this just support our position if it was the first time in your life that you heard this from a man, that this is a standard that men have for women?
	Well, because also, like, where I grew up, maybe, like, the guys that I was dating were all involved.
	Oh, yeah, you're in LA.
	L.A.'s, like, totally degenerate.
	No, no, like, I grew up in Tucson, Arizona.
	No, but you live in LA now, right?
	Yeah, but I didn't, yeah.
	LA's totally degen.
	Anyway, it was just refreshing to not be equated to, oh, is she going to be a good wife?
	Is she going to be a good mom to kids?
	Like, as opposed to, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Like, it was a refreshing take for me to hear that he was more interested in talking about, like, I don't know, philosophy at 3 a.m. than asking me, you know, what I bring to the table or if, like, you know, I want to have kids.
	Do they have to be biological?
	Because, you know, that's a big thing for a lot of men is that they want biological kids.
	It was like this kind of like purity standard of like a perfect little Southern Baptist housewife and like what I was raised to, you know.
	What's the opposite of pure?
	Well, that's what I'm saying is like, I don't really believe in this like pureness.
	I don't know.
	What's the opposite of pure?
	Dirty?
	Unclean?
	Do you think the world should be pure or unclean?
	I feel like pure is very subjective.
	It's subjective.
	What's the problem?
	Yeah, what about the oceans?
	Should the oceans be pure or unclean?
	They should be clean, but like...
	So they should be pure.
	Well, pure of what?
	Imperial.
	I mean, contaminants.
	There's, you know, I mean, with the ocean, this is specifically environmental, obviously.
	So, yeah, contaminants.
	I suppose what I was trying to say with...
	But what is so appealing to you about a man who prefers a woman who is unpure as opposed to pure?
	I think it was just refreshing to hear him say that.
	Like it was just refreshing to have someone say that to me was the first like intrigue.
	That's when you knew he was the one.
	Well, when I say like the one, I was like, he was like different.
	He was just so different than every other guy that I had dated, which had all been very religious, either like Catholic or like part of our church, like very like Christian.
	And so for me, it was refreshing to hear that.
	First of all, second of all, it kind of like gave me like this kind of like light bulb moment where I was like, oh, so like not every guy views it that way.
	And if that is the case, then I guess I'm then became like very interested in why certain men view chastity and things like that.
	And I asked him and he was like, honestly, I have no fucking idea.
	And I was like, that's not a great answer.
	Thanks, Dave.
	I want to ask the other panelists here, do you think like of the men, like men in general, do you think that most men, who else is in a relationship?
	You're in a relationship, right?
	I think it's just you two who are in relationships.
	Like, you've got it, and you've been in a relationship for three years, right?
	Do you think your boyfriend would genuinely, like, prefer, like, if you were to ask him, would you like me more if I had fucked more men before you?
	Do you think, like, what do you think?
	Well, yeah, my situation's not the same.
	No, I know, but like, what do you think?
	Do you think he would like you more if you had slept with more men before him?
	No, because I'm a lot younger than him also.
	So.
	Well, sure, but.
	Okay.
	So in general, no, because that would be really weird with the age gap.
	And then if I had that on top of it, that would be really bad.
	So no.
	Well, but so look, at least my thoughts on this, there are DGen men out there.
	But my thoughts on this is that, like, most men, most men are not going to be like, yeah, I really wish my girlfriend fucked more men before she met me.
	Well, like, wording it like that, but.
	But that's.
	That's the gist of it.
	Yeah.
	But you said you actually had the conversation.
	We did.
	We did have the conversation.
	The conversation was what?
	He didn't say like, oh, I wish you would have had more Dixie.
	He wasn't that like, you know, he wasn't vulgar.
	He wasn't vulgar.
	But he said, like, was this an actual, like, it was overtly expressed?
	Like, hey, you were just not sexually experienced.
	I wish you had no sexually experienced sexual experience.
	Yeah, he was, he, yeah, he was like, you know, you're just not like as sexually experienced as I am.
	Because I think at one point I did, one of the times that we were having sex, I did start crying because I just like felt so bad about the situation.
	And he was like, you know, it's okay.
	Your boyfriend made you cry.
	He didn't make me cry.
	I made myself cry about it.
	No, he made you cry.
	No, like, I made myself cry about it.
	If he was, if he was like speaking, I'm pretty.
	I mean, look.
	But he, no, he was very sweet about it.
	He was, he, he wasn't like vulgar.
	He wasn't like, you know, bad at all about the situation.
	He was like, you know, very sweet.
	He, he, you know, hugged me.
	He was like, it's okay.
	You know, he was like, you just don't have like as much experience.
	And like, this was like when we were first dating together.
	You suck at sex.
	You're terrible.
	And he was like, you know, he was like, I have more experience than you.
	And that's why it's, it's, you know, like, it is what it is.
	But like.
	And he was like, you know, it, he, he didn't make me feel inherently bad about it, but he did say, you know, like all the other girls that I had been with have obviously had X, Y, Z more experience.
	Such an L for, okay, but so I guess question for you though.
	So like even granting he was like, he wished you were better in bed.
	Are you saying that he would have made the trade-off of you, he would have made the trade-off of he gets you more sexually, like you better in bed, but the entailment of that is you have an additional like 10 sexual partners?
	Is that a trade-off?
	Is that what you're saying?
	And is that what?
	Okay, so because like a guy, you can, as a guy, you can be like, oh, okay, she's not great in bed.
	But the thought would never cross my mind.
	Like my, the thought that would cross my mind in this situation is like, okay, how can I tell her what I like?
	How can I give her like tips in a positive way and like try to be supportive and whatever?
	It would never be, oh man, fuck this bitch.
	I wish she fucked like 10 other dudes so I wouldn't have to deal with this.
	So I guess the question is, is the entailment that he was dissatisfied with your sexual skill is the entailment he would the trade-off of if he could have gotten you more sexually skilled, he would have happily had you had sex with more men prior to him?
	I don't think at this point he cares, but maybe at that point, I think it was maybe bothersome for him.
	The point he wished that you fucked up more men prior to him.
	Now I feel like he would have a different answer than when we first got together, if that makes sense.
	Like, now I think he's he would be fine with it because we have made like it out, but like in the beginning, it was like, you know, rough.
	So maybe.
	I mean, like, it's so.
	What I don't understand is like you have to really be fucking up as a girl to like be bad in bed.
	Like, you gotta fuck up.
	You gotta be trying to do shit to like be bad in bed.
	Okay, but we just talk about just preferences.
	That's it.
	But we've talked about preferences.
	You said that you love it when girls ride you, and he said that he hates, he doesn't like it when girls ride him.
	The grun rubber.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	Okay, not the grunt rub.
	I don't like it if she's going like, I don't like the jackhammer.
	Like the, I don't like the jackhammer.
	Wait, what's the jackhammer?
	The jackhammer's like.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	I don't like.
	I'm more of a gentle.
	I prefer a, you know, guys prefer more gentle sex.
	You know, like, I don't like, I don't want the girl.
	Like.
	Okay, this is.
	And I don't want to.
	This might be TMI, but what you said you dislike is like the exact thing that Bartholomew will call him that.
	He loves that shit.
	So it's like, I feel like every guy is different in like what they want in sex and a relationship and all of these things.
	But if we're pushing, I guess what I was in a roundabout, this is a very long way to get to this.
	Is like if we're pushing like a narrative of like guys and girls need to be a certain way, like is anyone ever going to be happy and truly fulfilled in a relationship?
	Like a normal person who's, you know, like not, I guess, just like a, just someone, like not, not, I don't know.
	Just is the expectation maybe too high?
	That is a good question.
	We do have some chats coming.
	We got to try to get through this.
	So textbooks.
	Graffito, sorry for the delay.
	I apologize.
	It's gross when your body counts are high because when you have sex, a man is entering your body.
	Literally and metaphorically.
	A dishonorable man can besmirch and corrupt you from the inside out.
	Graffito, sorry for the delay on this.
	I'm very sorry.
	That did come through from Graffito.
	We have a couple other ones coming in.
	Okay, I can't pull that one up, bro.
	You can, I'll send a refund or whatever.
	Oh, wait.
	It's Giovanni.
	I realized I loved my boyfriend when he told me he wished I banged more dudes that only came, that only came up because she didn't make his pee-pee feel a certain way.
	She literally loves coomer porn brain pathetic.
	Do you have a response to that?
	What does that even mean?
	Sorry, I didn't know that.
	What I meant is, you know, first of all, when all of this happened, it was like the first two times we had sex.
	After that, everything was great.
	You know, we got experience down.
	Everything was fine.
	But it was the first few times that we had sex.
	So it wasn't an ongoing thing.
	Wait, but wait, just to rewind a little bit here.
	The origination of this entire conversation was I think I brought something up like, yeah, most men would not like do the trade-off of like their girlfriend sleeping with 10 additional women or sorry, 10 additional men prior to them if it means she's like marginally better or even way better in the bedroom.
	In this case, you're like, oh, well, actually, my boyfriend.
	Yeah, because it sounds like a children.
	No, like, no, it wasn't.
	Just had a 30-minute conversation for nothing.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no, go ahead.
	it that's how that's how it was and what i'm saying is like wait i have to interrupt you So you said it was the first two times you guys had sex.
	Okay, maybe the first couple times, whatever.
	Sure.
	Let's say it was five.
	The first five times weren't great.
	In fact, I even think for most couples, the best sex you're going to have is deeper into the relationship than early on because you guys got to figure out this is actually a very normal phenomenon.
	I think the first time having sex, you know, she doesn't know what you like.
	You don't know what she likes.
	You're figuring it out.
	Maybe there's nerves involved.
	I don't actually think that this is a rare phenomenon that the sex isn't always the best the first time.
	In any case, you said that it was remedied within like a couple sexual encounters.
	What man in his right mind, if it was remedied within like five sexual encounters, would still make the trade-off of, I wish for those five early sexual encounters, like those first five sexual encounters, I'm holding it against her.
	I'm holding those first sexual encounters against her, and she should have fucked 10 other men because of that.
	No man is ever making that deal unless he's a cuck.
	I think for him, he maybe felt also bad for me personally because he was like, you know, he felt like he like robbed me of different experiences of being with other people, I think was also part of the conversation.
	He robbed you?
	Like, like, like his, his word's not mine.
	His word's not mine.
	Okay.
	Like, he, because he.
	He robbed you of getting to fuck other men.
	Oh my God, this guy's digging himself great.
	No, and like, I don't know about that.
	Okay, so like, have you guys.
	No, we're in a.
	Is he a cuck?
	No, we're in a porn.
	I'm completely committed.
	Seven years.
	Oh.
	Seven years.
	Yeah, we're fine.
	We're good.
	What I was trying to say is that, you know.
	I want to rob my girl of other sexual experiences with other.
	You're fucking damn right.
	I'm robbing you.
	I am robbing you of other sexual experiences with men.
	That's called commitment.
	Damn right.
	I'm robbing you of sexual experiences.
	Because, okay, here's the last thing.
	He's a little bit older than me, and so that's also part of your hot years.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes, he felt like he was taking away my hot years.
	Oh, I'm so happy.
	He's supposed to, yeah, for him.
	They hot with him.
	I'm sorry, baby.
	But let me ask you a question.
	You don't have to answer it.
	But did his sexual proclivities with you expand the more you was with him?
	He sounded like a freak.
	What?
	I said, his sexual, like, proclivities, like, stuff he wanted from you, did it increase as y'all started having more sex?
	Because it sounds like he's...
	Did you peg him?
	I have never pegged him.
	I'm not into that.
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	No.
	He's definitely giving peg vibes.
	Trust me, he is not a peg vibe guy.
	Who did he go for?
	Sorry.
	Some people just oversexualize.
	I think that's the real problem just with America, periods.
	There's too much pressure on sex to go to all bad.
	I think we've just been oversexualized, especially my generation.
	Like late 90s, early 2000s.
	Should he come on the show?
	That porn.
	Sorry, go ahead, guys.
	That'd be crazy.
	My bad.
	I think the late 90s, early 2000s, it was this big porn rush.
	And I think this rush of porn and accessibility to it has increased the demand of what a woman needs.
	Like, a lot of dudes do think that she needs to be this super freak.
	And I think that comes from a porn addiction.
	Because back in the day, women didn't have to be all that.
	She didn't have to dress, look a certain way.
	Even men, because now, if you look at porns, all the dudes are in shape.
	And all the women have a certain phenotype.
	It wasn't like that back in the day.
	Social media too.
	Social media too.
	So now it's like after porn, everybody had to be a certain aesthetic female-wise, and every man had to be in perfect shape.
	I think these appetites come from porn.
	And I think when men expect women to have this crazy sexual experience, I think it's because they're comparing you to really pornography.
	So do you think with that viewpoint, though, that men shouldn't be so heavily reliant on porn?
	Of course.
	Too much of anything is not good for you.
	So like, do you watch porn?
	No.
	Okay.
	I have, but I was younger.
	But as I got older, it's like it desensitizes you to it.
	To me, it has the same effect that seeing too many women dress a certain way all the time.
	It desensitizes you to courting.
	It desensitizes you to how she feels.
	And it kind of puts you in a place of looking at her from an objective perspective.
	So I think that's why I say women dressing differently.
	It's not just about us.
	It's protecting her.
	And it's forcing the man to pull something else out of you.
	Because if he's constantly seeing you getting screwed and porn and he's constantly seeing your ass on Instagram, unless he's very highly developed and mature, he's going to just be looking at you as a sexual object.
	If I'm in a relationship, I don't watch porn.
	Yeah.
	How do, man, we talked, that's crazy.
	We talked about a lot of things.
	I'm going to try to get things wrapped up here, hopefully pretty soon.
	That is really interesting, though.
	Thank you for being so open about all that.
	Appreciate it.
	That was.
	Hopefully he's okay with it too.
	Let's go to Twitch really quick.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Guys, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	Guys, it's been an hour since we last got a prime.
	Brian has a small pee-pee.
	First off, crew87.
	It's average.
	Get it right.
	And thank you for the prime, though.
	Appreciate it.
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	Can you guys check if it's, you know, and guys, drop us a follow over there on Twitch.
	I'm going to be streaming World of Warcraft maybe on Thursday.
	We'll see.
	I don't know.
	I got to still assess if I even have time for that.
	Shit, I got to, I have, I work 70 hours a week, so I don't have five time, but I'm still, I'm debating it.
	I'm debating it.
	Oh, we got crazy ace.
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	Okay, guys.
	And here, let's, I'm going to try to get through as everything as quickly as possible.
	I'm going to have to skip some of these things because there's a lot we won't be able to get to all of it.
	Oh, last thing on the like hypocritical thing.
	I guess my final thoughts on this are: in order for you to want to be with someone, do you need to be exactly the same?
	Oh no.
	What do you mean?
	Like personality?
	Well, so let me ask you guys this.
	And this is for the whole panel.
	I'd like you guys to answer.
	And I'll start over here on this side with you so we get we do a different angle.
	Are there things that you desire in a partner that you do not possess?
	No.
	Into the mic?
	I guess yes.
	Penis.
	There's that.
	Right?
	You want me to name things?
	Well, like, do you want a guy who's taller than you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But so there's, are you saying there's perfect symmetry in the things you desire in a man?
	So like, do you want a masculine man?
	Yes.
	Wait, why?
	You're feminine?
	No, I would.
	Okay.
	Are you masculine?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you want a dominant man?
	Yes.
	Are you dominant?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	Pretty much the same thing.
	Masculine makes more than me just because I want to have a child.
	Do you want to be a stay-at-home?
	Yeah.
	You want to stay at home, right?
	Because my mom was.
	Yeah, and my mom had her career, yes.
	Going back to you really quick, and I'll come right back to you, though.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	Into the mic, into the mic.
	The guy.
	The guy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So that is an asymmetry, right?
	And what you want.
	Like, you wouldn't pay for the first date, right?
	You want the guy to make the first move.
	You want him to ask you out.
	You want him to go for the first kiss, et cetera, et cetera, right?
	Same with you.
	Yeah, and I disagree with what he was saying earlier about how a woman should split after a few times, and that's how you know that she likes you.
	I gave context.
	I didn't just say that.
	Don't remix my shit.
	Don't get it twisted.
	Make an effort to do something.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Did I not say that, ladies?
	I misunderstood you something.
	Very clear.
	Communicate.
	Well, what about you?
	What was the question?
	Oh, are there things that you desire in a boyfriend that you do not possess?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like what?
	A dominant personality.
	Okay.
	Maybe like asks you out.
	Yeah.
	Takes initiative.
	Takes initiative.
	Pays for the first date.
	Yeah, I think there's a lot of feminine aspects that I want to let myself express as a female that wants that like traditional, soft, female, divine, you know, whatever.
	And I feel like I need somebody who can be the man that can let me express that.
	What about chivalry?
	Yeah, I like chivalrous.
	But you're not chivalrous back, right?
	Meaning.
	Well, chivalry is typically something that's like one-directional, male to female.
	You know, I feel like I am kind of chivalrous back because I think it's a give and take.
	And like, I want them to know that my effort is reciprocated.
	I appreciate what they give to me.
	And that is me reciprocating with effort.
	So you pay for first dates then?
	I have.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Sorry, repeat the question again.
	Yeah.
	So are there traits that you desire in a partner that you yourself don't possess?
	Yes.
	Like, and then what about you?
	I guess, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	So for example, like, I don't think it would be hypocritical for a woman to find, to want a guy who's funny, but she's not funny.
	I think we can all agree.
	Like, I don't think there's actually anything hypocritical.
	Like, just because a woman herself isn't funny, what would actually be wrong with, like, and most women, I think, would desire a guy who can make them laugh and is funny.
	I don't think that's hypocritical, right?
	And so in that same light, a man who has a high body count, who's like, whoa, I find this trait attractive in the woman, low body count or virgin, I don't think that makes him a hypocrite in the same way that women desire traits in men that they don't possess themselves.
	I actually thought about that question more and I kind of just reversed it.
	And I thought, okay, if a man has a low body count and he's looking for a woman, hypothetically, with a higher body count because he wants experience or whatever the case may be, would I find that hypocritical?
	And I thought, no, I wouldn't.
	So why would I find the reverse way?
	It's more of just a preference.
	So wait, just so I understand, this would be if somebody wanted somebody who was sexually experienced, but they were lacking in sexual experience, so they wanted to date somebody sexually experienced, there would be an asymmetry there.
	No, you would, you would not view that as hypocritical, even like how dare this person with a lack of sexual experience, how dare they date somebody with more sexual experience than them, essentially.
	Is that hypocritical?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because at first I thought, okay, well, I think that it is hypocritical for a guy to want someone with a low body count, but now that I think about it, no, I don't think.
	Oh, and I don't know if you answered.
	I think you answered, right?
	You desire.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I just, you know, that's interesting.
	Okay.
	And then we have, let's see here.
	Oh, we got something, graffito.
	Sorry for the delay again, brother.
	Here you go.
	I apologize.
	Women, do you find that men these days expect you to be able to perform like a pea star?
	Or do you expect, do they expect you to deep throat gag or other crazy things that were unheard of before corn normalized them?
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's probably definitely a thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's definitely a thing.
	Graffito, sorry for the delay there.
	Do appreciate what the hell?
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you, Graffito.
	Thank you so much.
	I wonder if this relates to, yeah, it is a good point.
	All right.
	Oh, man.
	We're not going to be able to hit all of these, but maybe we'll do one or two more and then we'll wrap.
	Age gap relationships.
	I think a couple of you had objections there on the age gap relationships.
	I think, or no, you're okay with them, it sounds like.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're okay.
	Yeah, you X that out.
	I think you had an issue with age gap relationships.
	I disagree, but it really does depend on like where that age gap lies.
	Yeah, 30-year-old, the example I provided, 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old.
	Yeah, no.
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	Tanjay?
	You said also age gap relationships, Icky?
	Well, 19 to what was it?
	Into the mic if you can, please.
	19.
	So yeah, 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old.
	Yeah, it's kind of like, but hey, what do I know?
	So I don't know.
	You want someone fresh out of high school, and you're like a very long-term adult at this point.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Like, if you're just like, there's a 19-year-old is just getting out of high school.
	They're just now experiencing like their first or second year of college.
	Oh, first or second year of college.
	But still, when I was in my first or second year in college, no thoughts behind the eyes.
	Like just 19, you're just partying.
	You're out of home.
	Yeah, so should women not be allowed to vote?
	I'm not saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
	I'm saying that 30-year-old men 18.
	Well, can I finish?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I'm saying that 30-year-old men or women shouldn't date 19-year-olds, in my opinion.
	Because why aren't you with someone your own age?
	Why are you going for someone that's more vulnerable in life?
	How are they more vulnerable?
	They're 19.
	So?
	Do you think it might be taboo and that might be like a fantasy to either one or both of them?
	And they deserve to be in a taboo relationship if that fulfills them.
	Yeah.
	And they could, but my main concern is like the frontal lobe is not developed, haven't experienced relationships.
	Well, I mean, that's kind of BS, the whole frontal lobe thing, but yeah.
	I mean, it does develop when you're in your 20s.
	That's why I never take medication.
	So you're saying like 18-year-olds are just like totally parceled.
	Like that's not what I'm making at all.
	But why can they consent to having sex with someone their age then?
	I'm just saying I feel like it's wrong.
	I don't agree with it.
	I'm not saying that it should be illegal or not illegal.
	Can I present to you an example here?
	So like, what would you find more objectionable?
	Like an 18-year-old woman or 19-year-old woman, she is dating men her age, but they're just using her for sex.
	And she's like, one after the other, after the other.
	I mean, this is a complaint I hear from a lot of young women, these younger college guys, they don't want a relationship.
	They just want to, what you doing?
	11 p.m. on a Friday.
	What situation would you prefer to see a woman in?
	That?
	Or she's dating a 30-year-old guy who's monogamous and loves her?
	And she's in a relationship with him.
	What do you think is like better for her mental health?
	I'm just still stuck on why is a 30-year-old want to be with a 19-year-old?
	Like, that's really just what I'm stuck on.
	I'll answer that, but you have to answer my question first.
	I don't really know how to answer it.
	Like, it just.
	Just to be clear, here's your position.
	You would rather a 19-year-old woman, like, fuck, say, a dozen men her own age that just discard her after fucking her once or twice or three times versus being a loving, caring, monogamous relationship with a 30-year-old man.
	Well, now you're just bringing up she's sleeping around with a bunch of men.
	Well, that was a long entailment.
	That was the situation.
	But it's different.
	Why couldn't she just sleep around with the same 18-year-old or 19-year-old?
	Wait, what?
	Why couldn't they sleep with one 19-year-old?
	It's a hypothetical to test the logic that has no logic.
	There's one people and then multiple people.
	That's not logic.
	Right, so it's different scenarios.
	I grant to you that a woman who's 19 could get into a relationship with another 19-year-old, but I'm testing your logic here.
	So, in the hypothetical scenario I presented, you have a 19-year-old woman who, and I actually don't think it's really that far-fetched that this actually occurs really frequently in college.
	A lot of women, they're having a lot of people who are not.
	I just know personally when I was 19, if I dated a 30-year-old, that wouldn't that wouldn't have gone well for me.
	So, personally, my opinion is I don't agree with that.
	Yeah, but I mean, you said that you have like the borderline personality disorder.
	I don't know if that plays into it.
	Um, why would what specifically about the age gap relationship would not play well for you?
	It just makes me extremely uncomfortable.
	Why are you not dating people your own age?
	Like, what?
	But let's say, um, uh, you know, Ryan Reynolds, yeah.
	Would you date him?
	I don't know him.
	You don't know Ryan Reynolds?
	I mean, I know of him, but like, I go date off personality.
	Like, I don't date for looks.
	Like, I genuinely don't.
	If you looked at all my exes, you'd be like, What the fuck?
	Like, genuinely.
	You'd be like, what?
	What's a celebrity crush?
	No, you can't think of it.
	That's like a BPD thing.
	Like, I just genuinely, like, I, if I, I've never really had an idol or looked up to someone, like, it just is what it is.
	Like, so you would.
	Um, do you know Henry Cavill Cavill?
	No, you.
	I don't know a lot of people.
	I didn't watch a lot of movies growing up.
	Would you date?
	Um, have you seen the movie Fight Club?
	Oscar.
	I haven't watched Rocky.
	I haven't watched a Titanic.
	I haven't watched, like, I'll say that's fine.
	Can I say something about that?
	Go ahead.
	I agree with the ladies.
	I feel like at 19, I think once you hit, I think you got a little window to deal with that.
	I think any man over 23 shouldn't be dealing with a 19-year-old.
	Me personally.
	Why, though?
	Because the blowback is not worth it when there's so many other women.
	What do you mean, the blowback?
	It's just, I think it just looks weird.
	Like, in today's society, maybe in the 80s, 1500s, when we were dealing with castles and all that, but I'm talking about today.
	I just think as opposed to other options, like if you're 23, I think that's when that should be the last moment you deal with 19, 18.
	Like teen.
	What is a teen at the end?
	It's the word teen at the end is correct.
	To me, like teen at the end of the day, hold on.
	I don't like it either.
	The whole teen thing, that's totally disingenuous because you can be 13 and then 19.
	Like these are two, like one is a crime, like if you were, and the other is like an adult who can vote and sign a contract.
	But today's young people are really goofy, man.
	Like a 13-year-old today is like a nine-year-old for real.
	A 20-year-old today is.
	Hold on, we're talking about like we're talking about adult relationships.
	So 18 plus.
	Okay, 18 plus.
	I just, me personally, if I'm 22, that's my limit.
	Like, if I'm 30, I deal with a woman that's like 25, 24.
	19, me personally, nah.
	Because I'm thinking about my daughter.
	Like, if I got a daughter that's 19, and she brings back a dude that's 30, he got to be like Obama or something.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	It's likely he's not going to be that.
	So I don't, me personally, I think 19, the 30-year-old, I'm going to look at the dude as if he's a little off or a little desperate or he can't get nobody.
	Because you can still get a young woman, but 19 at 30, I don't know.
	What if you meet someone, though?
	What if you meet someone you don't know their age and it's a 19-year-old that looks 25?
	That's different.
	I always looked older.
	But that's okay.
	That's your question.
	But so is it, does it have to do with physical appearance or does it have to do with like mental state?
	I think just, I don't want to deal with explaining that to anybody else.
	Me personally, I'm just being honest.
	I'm just talking about women.
	I don't want to deal with that.
	Like if I found out, if we fell in love, I've been with her for a year and I found out she was lying about her age, it's like I'm already with her to this kind of lies.
	She lied to you, right?
	She lied to me.
	That's different.
	But if I know I'm not 30 years old and scouting the local community college for a 19-year-old, like I just think that's kind of weird.
	Okay, man, you're on social media.
	Let's say a 19-year-old girl, she slides into your DMs.
	I'm not dealing with it.
	I'm 39, bro.
	I can't do it.
	I got a daughter that's four.
	I got a daughter that's four years younger than her.
	But are you checking their age first thing?
	Like, how do you find out?
	Like, is it a first-time question?
	How do you kind of find it?
	I deal with women in areas where really 19-year-olds really don't be.
	Like, I don't really club like that.
	So if I'm not, but really quick to, like, you have a daughter like that.
	Do you have a sister?
	Yeah, I got a sister.
	How old's your sister?
	My sister's.
	Hey, no, James.
	I think she's like 42, 43.
	Do you have a younger sister?
	Yeah, she's probably maybe 24.
	Would you date a 24-year-old?
	At 39?
	Yeah.
	She got to be super duper staff here.
	I was going to say that sounds better to me.
	Like, it's really just me.
	The 19 is 10.
	I'm not saying, hold on, hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me ask the question.
	Let me ask the question.
	Okay, let's say you had a younger sister who was 30.
	Would you date a 30-year-old?
	At 39, yeah.
	Okay, but that's like dating somebody your sister's age.
	Yeah, but my sister's super grown now.
	She ain't super grown at 19.
	But like, I don't understand this argument.
	Like, oh, well, you have this familial person in your life who is of a certain age.
	The ergo, you can't date them.
	Like, I'm going to do what you want.
	I just said I wouldn't want to do that.
	Here's what I don't understand from you, though, is like, you're saying the other people would judge you, so I won't do it.
	You strike me as a like a you, how do I articulate this?
	Do you really give a fuck what other people think?
	I don't get that impression from you.
	I don't, but certain things is just not worth the fight.
	Like, I pick, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to beat every, you got to pick your battles.
	Certain battles are just not worth it.
	It's not fucking Karen on this.
	39.
	Me?
	39 years old?
	I don't want a 19-year-old.
	Would you date?
	I don't want a 19-year-old.
	I might be attracted to one.
	I might be like, yo, you could get it, Shorty, but I'm just not going to do it.
	That's totally fine.
	Would you date a 30-year-old if she looked like she was 18?
	Yeah, she's 30.
	Now, she looks 30.
	But it's like, that is a good argument.
	It's like the physical looks thing.
	Like, there are like 19-year-old women who are shapely and like big ass, big titties, whatever.
	And there's like 30-year-old women who you would date who are like a cup.
	So that's my confusion here.
	I mean, because it's not just a physical thing.
	Sure, it's mental.
	Like, if I'm 39, a 19-year-old can only be taught by me.
	And in today's society, she probably ain't going to want to hear shit I say.
	She probably think I'm too old.
	I don't know shit.
	So I ain't got time to be arguing with no little ass kid, bro.
	So me personally, I don't want to deal with a 19-year-old.
	You've never dealt with a 35-year-old quarrelsome, nagging woman?
	Absolutely.
	Come on.
	Absolutely.
	And I don't want to deal with that either.
	The most complicated women I've ever dealt were like, it wasn't like the 23-year-old.
	It was the fucking woman mom.
	It varies.
	There's older women that's cool and there's older women that's goofy.
	There's younger women that's cool and there's younger women that's goofy.
	But that can't be the only reason then.
	There has to be some.
	I'd rather deal with somebody within under 10 years or under.
	But correct me if I'm wrong.
	You had mentioned a part of the 18-year-old.
	What do we're talking about?
	19-year-old was perception.
	But the 30-year-old that looks like she's 18, wouldn't people still perceive her?
	Yeah, but perception is not reality because she's actually 30.
	So she looks young.
	That's just, she just looks young.
	But if she's actually young, but looks older, I just, I wouldn't do it.
	I just think it's too much explaining.
	You know, her parents might not be comfortable.
	Know it's just too much shit that you got to do.
	You could take it on and say, Hey, I'm a man, hit me roll, I'm gonna do what the fuck I want, but certain battles I don't think is worth it just to prove that I'm a guy.
	I do want to ask the some of the girls' input on this.
	Um, you're in a age gap.
	Who's in the age gap relationship?
	What's the age gap again?
	You're 15 years, you're 25 and he's 40.
	Ladies at the table here, objectionable 15.
	When did you start dating?
	I asked three years ago.
	Her prefrontal cortex just finished.
	It's not even just that.
	Like at 19 and I was in college.
	You were 22 when you guys were in the college.
	Yeah, I was in college.
	She was 22 when they started dating, and he was 37.
	Yeah.
	Her prefrontal cortex was not fully developed.
	And I said, and it's still the 19 thing.
	They just moved out of the house.
	Give him a second.
	22.
	And that I agree.
	And I said in the beginning, there's only certain age gap relationships I don't agree with.
	When you say 19, you said teen.
	That's crazy.
	Here, I'll bump it up one year, 30, 20.
	Okay.
	Oh, you're waiting.
	That's okay.
	35-20.
	35-20?
	Yep.
	Fine.
	Really?
	It's just the teen?
	Yes.
	So just to be clear, 19, 364.
	Hold on, 19, 364 days.
	Uh-huh.
	Or 20 and zero days.
	Like one day later, like creepy.
	Would you want to date a 19-year-old though?
	Sure, why not?
	Really?
	Yeah, why not?
	Okay.
	Whoa, whoa, here.
	I think you're like, you're creeped out if they're pursuing you because of that.
	Like, that person naturally age gap.
	Let me just clarify here.
	So I've dated women of, like, for I've dated women older that I had age gaps with in terms of like they're older than me.
	Yeah.
	So when I was 31, I dated the 45-year-old.
	That's like 13 years.
	Your grandparents have like a 15-year age gap.
	So I dated them.
	I've dated older women.
	I've dated women my age.
	I've dated women who are, you know, younger than me.
	I've dated various ranges.
	And then another clarifying point: I'm not like hanging out.
	I'm not going to college parties trying to Mac on, no.
	But like, I don't know, if I was on a dating app and I match with somebody or she slides into my DMs, I don't actually, I can't actually think of any reason besides it gives you the ick.
	Like, you can't actually make a really compelling argument.
	I did say that, though.
	I said it's just my opinion.
	And I'm like, it is what it is.
	That's your opinion.
	There might not be any logic behind it, but the word teen, I'm like, I don't know.
	But it is just the word teen.
	Like it is.
	I don't, it's fine.
	Okay, maybe you can mention you out.
	Like, it just weirds me out.
	And that's you.
	Yes.
	Like, it weirds me out.
	I get it.
	I just, like, when I was 19.
	Here, but I was like, just like, so let's put aside or even grant your position that, or your position, I don't know if it was your, that it's kind of icky, gross, creepy, whatever.
	Um, can you actually make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man why he should date?
	Like, so I'm 35, right?
	Make a compelling argument to me why I should date a 35-year-old versus a 25-year-old.
	Well, for like, just for the experience level, like, I know you might not want some, you might want a fresh start with whatever, but I think logically, if you're gonna go into a relationship with a failed relationship behind, trying to, like, you know, make your life better, eventually have a long-lasting relationship.
	I think your best bet is with someone who also has been through it before and knows kind of what they want or what they don't want.
	But okay, so you're saying, tell me if I have your point correct.
	So men should date women their age because the woman will have an equivalent.
	Hold on.
	The woman will have an equivalent degree of relationship experience.
	And so for this reason, it makes more sense for him to date a woman his age.
	I wouldn't say their age around their age.
	Sure, around their age.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So.
	But I still, like I said just before, like I don't necessarily disagree with age gap.
	That age gap I did disagree with.
	Because like my grandparents have an age gap.
	So you don't disagree with the 35-25.
	Okay, fine.
	I'll change it then.
	Make a compelling argument in terms of the benefit to the man why he should date a 35-year-old woman versus a 19-year-old woman.
	I don't know.
	I'm not a man.
	Like, I don't know what it would benefit you.
	Like, I don't know what makes your brain tick.
	Like, I don't know what would make you feel better and what wouldn't make you feel better.
	You women, you guys should start dating short men who are broke, who are not funny, who are not charismatic, who are not dominant, and who are not leaders.
	You guys should.
	Because I think it's predatory that you guys go after these high-income hiring.
	Again, never said should.
	Said my opinion, and I wouldn't do it.
	Yeah, but having that, you have to actually engage in the conversation.
	So like what, again, I'm just trying to hear what is the benefit to the man?
	Like, what does a man get by dating an older woman?
	What does a man get by dating a younger woman, though?
	Like, what's the woman is a woman, a man is a man.
	Again, the age really doesn't matter, but when you bring in teens and adults, it does matter.
	Like, it does.
	It's so disingenuous to use the word to make it about the teen thing.
	So what is 19?
	Teen?
	Right?
	Yes, it is teen.
	So, and again, do you know what spin is?
	No.
	Okay, so spin is like sort of a marketing principle.
	Yeah.
	And like people will do this all the time.
	Like, have you ever encountered somebody who has a totally different, like, perhaps somebody's lied about you and they said like a whole different perception?
	Has anybody ever lied about you?
	Oh, yeah.
	Made up something about you.
	Oh, yeah.
	How did they spin it?
	They painted something in the least flattering light possible, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so what you're doing is you're using kind of charged language to sort of imply that a man who's attracted to a 19-year-old adult woman is essentially a pedophile because teenager.
	I just said personally, I don't agree with it, what I was at when I was 19.
	Is an 18-year-old an adult?
	Legally.
	You can still be in high school at 18.
	Okay, is a 19-year-old an adult?
	Can be, but again, you can still be 19 and 19.
	They are or are they legally an adult?
	Okay.
	But then again, you can still be in high school.
	Okay, so a 30-year-old should be dating a high schooler.
	Or do you think that's like, I don't know, like that just seems off to me.
	And again, that is just my personal opinion.
	It's where my head was at at 19.
	I don't know what would make a man benefit more, but I don't think really age can make you benefit more or less.
	It just is what is.
	Age just is what it is.
	But again, so I want to go back to my question.
	Why should a man date a 35-year-old woman versus a 19-year-old woman?
	If they're 35?
	Yeah.
	Because of life experiences.
	Like, you went through life.
	Why do you, why do you get a fresh start?
	Like, with someone new, but you, not that you have baggage.
	I'm not saying that you have any baggage or anything.
	But like, when you're, like, again, when you're like 35, like, life happens.
	Like, life is happening.
	Sure.
	Why do you get to take in that baggage and they don't?
	And again, it's just really your personal opinion.
	Again, it's just something I don't want to experience.
	And that's okay.
	I'm asking you, like, so I'm kind of like putting you in a position to try to change my mind.
	Like, so I know that, but I don't know.
	Like, I don't know.
	But I think this is actually indicative.
	Like, you actually acknowledge sort of my position on this.
	I'm asking you to, like, articulate what makes a woman better when she's older.
	Like, because would you guys all agree?
	We are all trying to get the best person we can get, right?
	Okay.
	Right.
	You, if, if, if you could, if you all could, you would get the 6'5, super ripped, rich, amazing personality, loyal.
	You would, you would try to maximize what you can get, right?
	Okay, whether you can get it or not, that's another conversation.
	I'm looking for what do I get from an older woman that would make me want to date a 35-year-old versus somebody who's younger.
	And I'm only because you don't, you don't.
	And I tried to answer it in the beginning and you cut me off.
	Literally, just experience.
	I'm saying it's icky.
	No, I said experience in the beginning.
	Okay, so do men care about a woman's experience.
	No, you even said that in the beginning.
	Thank you for making my point.
	Because you said that in the beginning, that's why I'm like, I'm listening to you.
	I'm open.
	You said no.
	A man told me no.
	Okay.
	You said no.
	I'm taking your opinion for what it is.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	But so, again, I'm looking for some, like an actual argument, unless you're just willing to concede the argument.
	Again, I said there, I don't genuinely have an argument.
	It's just I don't like it for myself.
	Yeah, but can you make how about this?
	Can you make a moral argument for why it's wrong?
	It's morally wrong for me.
	That's yeah, why?
	No, but why?
	Because I told you at 19, my brain was not there.
	If a 30-year-old man were to date me, he would have took advantage of me.
	A 21-year-old man took advantage of me.
	So for me personally, again, me personally, I wouldn't want to date a third.
	I don't want to have an age gap, though.
	Because you just said a guy your age took advantage of it.
	Okay.
	It has nothing.
	I personally don't want an age gap.
	It would have nothing to do with age gap.
	We're talking about age gap.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So wouldn't a man like but this is why I don't understand, right?
	Um, you don't think that like same age men or even like, let's say a 19-year-old woman, uh, or how about a 20-year-old woman dates a 19-year-old guy, he's incapable of taking advantage of her or being abusive?
	I've never said that.
	Because they certainly can be.
	They can be.
	Right.
	So what, what, what is the argument then?
	That I personally just, it's my personal opinion.
	Let me ask you this.
	A 19-year-old woman dating a 20-year-old guy, can he be abusive towards her?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can a 19-year-old woman dating a 30-year-old guy, can he not be abusive?
	An 18-year-old girl can punch a 50-year-old man and be abusive.
	The 18-year-old be abusive.
	Could a same-age relationship at 20 be seriously problematic?
	Yes.
	And could a 20-year-old dating a 30-year-old not be problematic at all?
	Yes.
	And it be loving and healthy?
	Okay, so what's the objection?
	That I wouldn't do.
	You asked if I feel like it's okay and I was taking it for myself.
	I don't feel like it's okay for myself.
	I'm not looking down on you for having an age gap.
	I've never looked down on my grandparents, and I'm not against them.
	Personally, for me, I don't want one.
	I think most girls prefer older men as well.
	Like, I don't say most do, but like, I personally, I don't, I like, I just don't.
	I think she just talk about 19.
	Like, I'm literally out.
	Yeah, but like, really, with just, I don't know.
	Teens, the word teen icks me out.
	And again, if that doesn't convince you enough, that's okay.
	I don't know how else to convince a man that like you should date your own age.
	Like, what, what answer are you looking for?
	Wait, can it be over 20 though, the man, if you're 19 or no?
	Like, just no 20s at all?
	22, 19.
	I don't know.
	This is so dumb.
	Okay.
	Like, sorry, I'm not sure.
	But it's crazy to me because like our society has become so infantilized.
	We're treating teens like toddlers, adults like teens.
	Like, it's just, I don't know.
	But to play devil's advocate, I think back in the day, like, you had generals that was 15-year-old men.
	An average 15-year-old boy can't do that shit today.
	I think we want old rules, but we have to have a society to facilitate that development.
	We don't have it today.
	We don't have Julius Caesars and all that today.
	You might have some gangbangers, but you don't have 15-year-old, 14-year-old boys that's ready to lead a nation of army of men to war.
	We did back in the day, and we had younger women who were able to take on the responsibility of being a wife or a queen at younger ages back then because we had a society that facilitated that over time.
	We don't have that anymore.
	Now, we may be still biologically capable of doing these things, but I don't think this society facilitates mature young people, let alone mature adults.
	I mean, I guess one question: so we can like send teenage boys to fight wars.
	And you're are you okay with that?
	No.
	Okay, but you acknowledge that it's a reality, right?
	That like teenage boys historically have fought war, and then they still like you can 18, you can join the military.
	Um, and 18-year-old men can be drafted, right?
	Um, so just to be clear, you at 18, you can be sent to war, you can volunteer to go to war, but um, but we can't drink women can't have like a consensual relationship with a guy who's a bit older than her.
	I, that's it's up to them if they want to have that age gap.
	They can go for it, okay?
	But it's it's icky in any case, that's basically your position.
	If, yeah, if I were to see it that way, it'd be like you're dating a teenager, and that's just my opinion.
	Okay, all right, sure.
	Did you have something?
	Anybody else?
	I mean, you're in an age gap relationship, they are essentially calling your boyfriend predatory.
	And I did not.
	I mean, that's the information.
	She was 22.
	She was 22.
	That's fine.
	She was a vulnerable college girl at 22, and she was preyed upon by this 37-year-old man.
	You should be defending.
	That's not how I said it.
	You know, that's not how I said it.
	I even asked and said, No, I actually don't mind.
	You've been dating.
	And I would have been honest with you.
	I think it's just like you got to defend your boyfriend here.
	Well, it's just circumstantial.
	Like, I feel like with the dating apps, we need a list checked off of everything.
	You can't just naturally meet someone and things to be, you know, maybe different than what you expected.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Again, never, don't look down on your relationship.
	Just the 19 thing.
	And just my opinion.
	I feel like this would almost be like me saying, women who are attracted to tall men.
	Actually, never mind.
	I'm going to move it on.
	Okay, we're going to, we need to wrap up here soon.
	Let's see.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	I'm going to just go through the stack.
	Then we're going to.
	Oh, wait.
	There's probably.
	No, okay, we're good.
	Let's see.
	One sec, guys.
	Any final thoughts here from anybody before?
	We'll wrap up here, hopefully, pretty soon.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists?
	About the age gap?
	No, any topic.
	If you want to ask, you got two men who will give you the.
	This is a rare opportunity because most men you talk to want to have sex with you.
	So they won't tell you the truth.
	They won't tell you the truth.
	We'll tell you the truth.
	Ask us a question if you have one or if there's any topics you want to talk about.
	I tell the truth to women I want to have sex with, too.
	I don't fuck around.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I guess with the purity thing, you know, how can you expect women to have low body counts when men expect women to put out very soon in the first few dates?
	I gotta say it, I don't think men, well, I don't.
	I don't expect a woman to put out.
	I want her to put out effort.
	I've had women not want to talk to me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them so soon.
	So it really just depends.
	I just want effort.
	I don't think men who want to take you seriously long term are expecting you to give your body to them first, second, third date.
	I don't think that I think they just want to see a consistent effort and you come in and you show an effort that you want to be with them.
	And as far as the body count thing, like I said before, do I think there's some psychological and biological effects to a high body count?
	Absolutely.
	But me personally, because we're in such a highly sexually charged era, there's a likelihood that she probably has some bodies.
	That's just the times we're in.
	So, my concern is the type of men she's dated prior to me, because that's going to tell me what she defines as a man.
	Because sometimes, depending on the type of men that women are with, they have a misconception of what manhood is.
	So, if you was with a real passive guy, you think that's manhood because he lets you do what you want to do, say what you want to say.
	So, now you're expecting that from other men because he gave you a misinterpretation of manhood, and vice versa.
	Like, a man could be, um, you could be dealing with a guy who's very over the top masculine, very aggressive, very just too much.
	And you could think that that's masculinity.
	So, when you get with me, you expect me to be this hyper-masculine man or the super passive man.
	So, to me, the type of man that a woman deals with tells me a lot more than her body count in a highly sexual era.
	So, how many dates until you throw it out that they have to sleep with you, I guess?
	I mean, I was confused about that because the story said a whole year, and you were like, What are they doing if they're just going to be a man?
	No, I'm saying if he, for that story, I'm going to answer the question two parts.
	When it comes to that dude, if you're just dating her and taking her out to eat and her and she's agreeing to showing up and eating, that shouldn't compute to you that we're going somewhere.
	It's possible, but to think it's guaranteed, you're a fool because nothing she did showed you that.
	She just showed that you're cool enough to feed her.
	So, if he's taking that data and computing that into, well, it felt like it seemed like then you're just green, brother.
	Now, as far as what's the second part, this little thing you said, you said something else.
	Oh, how many dates does it take for you to throw it off without getting sex?
	If I talk to you, let's be real.
	If I'm trying to talk to you, I already assume that I'm looking at you.
	You can get it.
	So, that doesn't have to be discussed.
	I'm not.
	But are you going to get annoyed after a few days?
	No, no, no, no.
	You don't want them to wait.
	It depends on what I'm doing, but I wouldn't say annoyed.
	It's just a vibe.
	Like, I'm not saying, okay, it's been two weeks.
	It's like, I'm cool with just us kicking.
	If you're coming over, we're kicking it, we watching movies, we culling, I might kiss.
	I'm cool with that because me personally, I like building shit.
	I like build up.
	I like that.
	How long would you wait, though?
	That's my question.
	How long would I wait?
	Okay, that's direct.
	How long would I wait?
	I don't know.
	It just depends on the person.
	Like, I'm not waiting a year.
	I give you that.
	I probably could wait, I would say a month because it's not about I need it so bad.
	I just know how women operate.
	And I know that a woman who really wants you is not going to make you wait that long.
	I might even say, nah, baby, chill, we could wait.
	But knowing that she wants to do it, it's like, all right, that's more realistic.
	Because a woman is not going to make you wait that long.
	You don't have to acquiesce to her advances.
	But her letting me know she wants to do that within a month or two seems a lot more realistic about how I gauge women's interests as opposed to just waiting forever.
	It's not necessarily that I have to do it when she wants to, but I know how women move.
	And like she said, she knew right away.
	Like women don't move like that.
	So when I see women going outside of the normal pattern of how women move when they're interested in a man, that's a red flag for me.
	But do I look at like, oh, this is the time we got to do it?
	Nah, just let it vibe and let it happen naturally.
	Let it, I like it.
	I like the pressure to build towards like there's nothing left to do but that.
	We done had great conversations.
	We done had so many dope outings and it just happens.
	Like I don't think that's something I'm looking to just have to do.
	Yeah, because you said you like purity.
	That's why I was asking that.
	I didn't say I like purity.
	I'm explaining why men do like purity.
	What I like is a woman who treats me well.
	And like I said, when I'm speaking, I'm speaking because it's not about me.
	And that's the problem.
	People have too many conversations about what I do, what I do.
	It's not a, I don't represent all men.
	I represent myself, but I know a lot of men and I know how the average man thinks.
	And the average man does want a woman.
	Not some lot of cases, it's for psycho, not because she's been with him physically.
	That is a part of it.
	But it's the psychological aspects of a woman who's been with multiple guys.
	They are different.
	They're a little more altered.
	They take on that man's energy, and men just don't want to deal with that.
	Okay.
	Let me get through these quick here, and then let's see.
	Couple, you said disagreed to the following statement: women have equal rights to men.
	I think you disagreed.
	And I think you disagreed.
	Is that fair recap on that?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Anybody else disagreed?
	It was Hannah.
	Is it Andrea or Andrea?
	Yeah.
	Andrea.
	Andrea?
	Andrea.
	Or no, you actually did not circle that.
	It was.
	I want to say, actually, can I change my stance right now?
	No, Tier.
	Because we're talking literally, and I'm like, oh, nope.
	Like, technically, literally, we do have equal rights right now.
	Tanjay, you said women disagree that women have equal rights to men.
	It was also Hannah.
	It was Thierry.
	We're ignoring mine now, remember?
	Oh, I guess.
	Ignore mine.
	Hannah's.
	Yeah, now I'm just like.
	A quick question for those of you who did say you disagree that women have equal rights to men.
	What rights do men have that women don't?
	So I don't think that the United States is the only country that exists, and that's only part of the female population.
	So when we're talking about women's rights, it has to encompany the entire world.
	Well, what about the United States?
	Well, there's still, for example, like female genital mutilation is still something that's practiced even here in the United States.
	It's illegal.
	It's still practiced, though.
	It's kind of one of those things.
	Well, I don't know if this can I just, I'm going to cut you off just to save you a little bit here.
	I don't think you want to argue circumcision on this one.
	I think you're going to have this is not going to be a productive argument for you, but well, I'm just saying that there is lots of things that we could do better.
	What else is when it comes to men, though, when it comes to genital mutilation, that's also practiced, right?
	The difference is one's legal, one's not.
	Well, one provides like a cleanly, I don't have any viewpoint on whether or not a baby boy should be circumcised or not.
	Like, I don't, that's totally up to, I guess, like the father, honestly, because I would say it's up to the father because, like, I don't have a lot of money.
	But if it's a single mother, she makes the determination, right?
	I think, like, most hospitals, like, just standardly do it, right?
	Is it mutilation, though?
	Is it still a mutilation?
	The reason why I say female genital mutilation is different is because a lot of times they also remove part of the clitoris, which takes away feeling and stimulation.
	Same thing for men.
	This is extremely rare.
	I never heard this.
	I heard this.
	Extremely rare.
	There's perhaps this is extremely rare occurrence in the United States.
	What I was saying first was not the United States.
	I was saying, but like, look, I can't.
	Look, I don't, look, I can't have a debate with you about like Ethiopia.
	I don't know.
	So we're going to have to talk about the United States.
	And if your position is men and women have equal rights in the United States, I can just move on.
	But you did cite to even in the United States female genital mutilation.
	That is outlawed.
	It is outlawed.
	Male genital mutilation is not.
	So I don't think you have a very compelling argument.
	Well, I wasn't saying that what I was trying to say.
	I'm just trying to move things along because the prompt is women have equal rights to men.
	You disagree.
	The first thing you cited to was something that in actuality, men don't have a right to bodily autonomy when it comes to this, whereas women do.
	It's outlawed.
	Whereas, like, this is like wholesale, wholesale done to like the vast majority of men in this country upon birth.
	So, I don't think you have a very strong argument there.
	Well, what I was initially saying was for the entire world as a worldview.
	I've already said I can't talk about Mongolia.
	I can't talk about absolutely.
	I'm sure that there is thing.
	I'm sure that there is things that I am not remembering right at the moment.
	It's not necessary.
	I'm sure that there is different.
	Someone else who is more knowledgeable on U.S. laws of gender inequality probably would have something to say.
	I do not at the moment.
	I know more of different atrocities that happen in the worldwide news.
	i will concede to to your point i suppose okay um what i was initially saying though wait do you concede or are you just saying well there there could be something that exists i'm not knowledgeable I'm not knowledgeable enough on that aspect of U.S. policies because a lot of times things are changing pretty quickly.
	That's not something that I feel like I necessarily have the best argumentative point on.
	You're right.
	I'm worried on another country.
	How about you?
	You said women, you disagree that women have equal rights to men?
	I was speaking more in a general worldwide.
	You didn't specifically say that it wasn't in the right place.
	Yeah, it didn't say the United States.
	I mean, it did not say the United States.
	Okay, so men and women have equal rights in the United States.
	No, it didn't say United States.
	No, no, no, no.
	I know.
	But now I'm asking the clarifying question.
	You think that women do have equal rights in the United States compared to men?
	Correct.
	Same with you.
	I guess it also depends on state because there's state laws and there's national laws.
	Like, for example, women's right to equal pay, that can be different.
	That's a law.
	Different.
	What I'm saying is that that could be different from state to state versus national.
	There's federal.
	I mean, there's federal regulations.
	There's federal minimum wage and then there's state minimum wage.
	Like there's like, I feel like tons of little niche things that aren't necessarily quite up to par, but can you give us an example?
	Can I have my phone?
	Can I like because it's the thing is like I don't know it off the top of my head, but I but I believe there is something that does out there that exists, but it's just not coming.
	It's not coming to my memory thing at the moment.
	That's not something that I have.
	Well, my position is that there is no right that the man has that the woman doesn't.
	Actually, you know what?
	I'll be charitable.
	The one thing that I can think of, and it, you know, while I think it's fairly minor, it is technically a right that it depends on your location that men possess that women don't.
	This would be in certain jurisdictions, men can be topless in public.
	In other areas, women can be topless in public.
	Some jurisdictions, I guess it's indecency or something.
	I don't know.
	I don't think that's really the pressing issue for most feminists.
	I think most men would actually be like, oh, okay, let's equalize.
	I'm in favor.
	Bust out the titties.
	Don't care.
	I don't think most women want to be like walking around with their titties out to begin with.
	I'm in favor.
	I'm a feminist.
	You want the titties out?
	You can have the titties out.
	I will advocate.
	I will be a feminist.
	I'll ask.
	I mean, I'm more of like a butt guy, so I don't really, you know.
	I'm more of a labia guy, to be honest.
	Like big labia matter.
	Like, I don't really butt, boobs, whatever.
	Like, if the labia is big, that's all that matters.
	I actually only date women with.
	Okay, anyways, whatever.
	I just want to say this real quick.
	Are you also a big labia guy?
	I know.
	I plead a fifth.
	I think it's funny how y'all didn't assume he was talking.
	Y'all assumed when he was, you said when he hit you up, you assumed that he was talking about LA.
	But in this question, you assume he was talking about the world.
	It seemed like y'all just pick and choose when y'all want to focus on nuance and when you don't.
	Just to make him strategy.
	Well, I think it was also because I wasn't reached out by the show initially.
	Yeah, I was reached out by a different person who was a girl.
	And based off of her, when I looked at her thing, I thought it was going to be a new person.
	We've talked about dating pretty substantially here, I think.
	I mean, but not in LA specifically, like she was saying.
	Yeah, like based off of her profile, I had assumed that.
	We'll have to see what she sent you.
	I mean, I have third parties who send me a lot of people.
	Yeah, no, it's fine.
	In any case, I will move it on.
	It was women have more rights than men.
	I don't know if we can't linger.
	I got to move things on quickly.
	Do you want to come back?
	You know what we could do?
	Do you want to come back?
	I'm scared to come back.
	I'm getting trolled.
	I'm getting trolled.
	No, you're killing me.
	You only did it once.
	You can do it again.
	And you have more to add.
	And you're from here.
	You might as well.
	You're bored one night.
	Yeah, you did.
	You were great.
	Okay.
	You're tough.
	You did a really good job.
	So let's see.
	Are you feminist?
	I feel like I overexposed myself.
	No, I really don't.
	As long as your bird is a female.
	Are you feminist?
	I would consider myself.
	I think everyone here.
	Oh, sorry.
	I think everyone here would assume that I consider myself.
	Who else is a feminist?
	Feminist, feminist, feminist.
	Oh, wow.
	Feminist?
	Consultant?
	Wait, like what is it?
	It depends on the definition.
	I'm a rose.
	I know.
	I would say you fall in the category of a neo-feminist, which I don't.
	Neo-Nazi, what?
	No.
	I can see that.
	Do you have a woman heritage or something?
	Definitely not.
	Do I agree with like equal rights?
	Yeah, but do I also think that women have a place and that place should be respected as a female in that mindset of typical female traits?
	Yes.
	Feminists might hate that about me and how I feel about a traditional.
	What is the pretty based?
	Really?
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay, fuck it.
	Old school feminists is a way different.
	Yeah, like I feel like I'm a humanist, but I feel like that should be.
	What is the place?
	Wait, the place?
	Yeah, you said you feel like women have a place.
	What is the place?
	Homemaker, right?
	No, not necessarily.
	There's options, there's choices, but like at the end of the day, I think biologically, there is a natural air of womanhood and what we say we expect from a man from a relationship.
	I'm not saying this is every single one of you guys.
	I'm not saying that about every single person.
	I'm saying, but from the issues it seems like we've discussed, there's this expectation of what we want from a man in a relationship.
	And that puts us, we need to be accountable in our awareness of how we present ourselves and what the expectation is from a man is the expectation from a man to us as a woman and the place as a female that we reside in to accept, like, accept.
	Yeah, because on the flip side, if we thought like women, y'all wouldn't like us.
	Like, in other words, if we felt like, you know what, I can come outside and just wear what the hell I want to wear.
	I'm still a man.
	You're going to be like, nah, you're not.
	So we got to be fair.
	It's certain things we have to do that's expected of the opposite sex.
	You don't have to acquiesce and be bow down and kiss every man's ass.
	But you're going to judge a man who comes out in flip-flops every day with a tank top.
	Like, you're not going to say, well, who am I to judge him?
	You're not going to find that appealing.
	You're not going to see that as masculine.
	So same thing with women.
	We see you dress a certain way.
	We're not going to, we expect a certain basic decorum between the sexes.
	I think it keeps things civil.
	I think trying to prove a point and be extreme on both sides is just a waste of time and it's really hurting the future generations because they're watching us.
	I think I would beg to differ on the guy with the flip-flops.
	I would beg to differ.
	I mean, I'm sure you'll beg to differ on damn everything I say.
	But so you have a body type preference?
	Wait.
	Just don't be overweight.
	You know, you can have a little puzzle.
	You're like, I'm not looking for perfection.
	Just be, you know.
	Healthy.
	Decent.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm not into biggest.
	But then you have to see that through what they wear, right?
	You know?
	So, so if a guy is big.
	If they're that big, yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But if you sue, if you, you could, it's level.
	Some women can kind of hide their little courage, but some women are so big, it doesn't matter what they wear.
	I'm just not into big women.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm not big.
	I'm not.
	If I can't do this in your waist, you're too big.
	Like, I can't, if I got to do this, I'm good.
	So if a guy is a surfer, bro, and he's.
	That's different.
	He's at the beach.
	I'm talking about if you're handling, come on, he's an avatar.
	If you're a grown man in the store, like when I see grown men with their families and you got your wife and you got your kids, and you're slapping around the house sounding like Nana walking behind me, no, that's some goofy ass shit.
	That's not manly to me.
	Because first of all, if some shit pop off, how you gonna get busy with some flip-flops?
	So I'm gonna step on your toes to get busy.
	So that's dumb.
	That's not protective.
	Not putting yourself in a protective way.
	But like you said, like you're doing.
	Like, I feel like you just, you just want to, you just, you're doing some, you're on some power struggle shit.
	I'm not, I'm not on the shit.
	I'm not on a power struggle.
	You are, what about the surfer, bro?
	He's on the beach.
	I just don't understand what's wrong with it.
	I just explained it.
	If you're a man and you're out, if you're out by yourself, do what you want.
	I just don't think it's becoming of a man to walk around with house shoes.
	It's just, it's just goofy.
	It never was cool and it's not cool now.
	It's cool for women like you, be no why, because women like you would love to change the narrative of men because it'll fit your ego.
	But in reality, a man should not be outside as a warrior, as a protective man, not of just people, of his fucking self, with his toes exposed.
	You're a grown man.
	Please don't put words on my mouth, though.
	I don't got to.
	With the provocative clothing, like, for example, if I go to hot yoga or something and I want to wear leggings and a sports bra because I'm sweating really bad, but it reveals my body as that.
	Say it again, repeat it.
	I'm sorry.
	For the provocative clothing topic, if I want to go to my hot yoga class and I have to wear leggings and a sports bra, is it provocative to do that because I need to?
	Because I'm like swatting out.
	But it's a hot yoga class.
	But if I'm walking in like that, he means just what's your intention and what you're wearing.
	Like if you're like going to the gym, like you can wear where you want to be.
	It's respectable.
	But if you're at the beach and respect at the grocery store, then like what is your intent to wear exactly?
	If I'm out with my children, I'm out with my wife.
	I don't want to be flipping, flopping around.
	It's just stupid.
	You're not ready to move.
	You're not ready to run.
	You're not even physically able to move at a certain pace if something pops off with flip-flops on.
	What the fuck is we talking about?
	Like if a fight, if a terrorist attack, you got on some Nike flip-flops?
	You can't be having flip-flops with your kids?
	Come on, we flopping outside.
	You're done.
	That's crazy.
	Sound like Nana.
	When I hear flip-flops, I'll be thinking, that sounds like Nana walking behind me, bro.
	I'm no grown-ass man.
	Me personally, I don't like grown men walking outside with flip-flops.
	It's only cool because women said it's cool.
	And dudes who care that much about women liking them will do that shit.
	But I'm not one of those dudes.
	I'm going to stand up for what's real, whether women like that shit or not.
	Guys, we're going to do this.
	We don't have time for a proper roast session.
	We're going to do a $69 TTS row session if you guys want, just because if it's like $20, $30, it's just going to, we're going to be here all night.
	So we're going to do $69 TTS row session if you want.
	You can get it in.
	$69 TTS row session.
	While those are coming in, we're going to hit a couple more points.
	Then we're going to wrap up the show here.
	So we were talking about like feminism.
	Oh, really quick.
	I don't know.
	War came up earlier.
	Do you, would you, you're a feminist, right?
	Would you be in, you believe in equality, right?
	Because one of the prompts here is it says feminism is not about equality.
	You disagreed about that.
	Would you, do you believe in, like, for example, currently the military, military conscription selective service, the draft?
	Do you think women should be have to be drafted?
	Well, here's my thing.
	I don't like the draft for men or women.
	I don't think either one should have to be drafted.
	I don't think that you should have to potentially die against your will.
	That's my thing.
	But given the reality that you have to register for the selective service, should women equally have to register?
	I suppose if I suppose yes.
	Yeah.
	But in a perfect world, I don't think the world's not perfect.
	There's military conflicts.
	Yes.
	Lots of my friends actually willingly went into the military.
	Yeah, they volunteered.
	Yeah, yeah, they volunteered.
	And, you know, they had probably not the best experiences in the military as women.
	But that being said, I fully supported their choice to want to join.
	I was super excited for them to want to join the military.
	So I feel like I would have the same level of excitement for a woman to join the military as a guy friend to.
	Yes, I dislike both of those.
	But if I'm saying if there was a situation where I would be happy for a friend of mine to be currently the laws when it comes to selective service, women are excluded from having to register for the draft.
	You would be in favor of equalizing this so women could also be in some wartime scenario.
	They could be drafted.
	You're in favor of this.
	You'd have to be to believe in equality, wouldn't you?
	I would be in favor of doing away with the draft.
	Yeah, but that's not possible.
	Why?
	Why is that not possible?
	Because if we need to war, we need someone to fight.
	So governments and nations, they're not going to relinquish their right to force its citizenry into a military conflict if the nation needs to be defended.
	Here, let me ask you a question, right?
	Here's a hypothetical scenario.
	There is an invading army.
	I don't know, China, I don't know, whatever.
	Hypothetical.
	Let's not, I'm not even going to say a nation.
	Forget China.
	This invading army is super belligerent, and the values of this invading country are totally contradictory to the values of the United States.
	So, for example, they're like their slavery.
	And if they do invade the country and they win, they're going to essay all the women in the country.
	Okay.
	Would you agree that, and here's the scenario: if the government, if the United States forces its males to fight the war, that's going to be a tragedy, it's going to be terrible for the men.
	Many men are going to die, but they will repel this attack from this nation.
	If they don't force the men into military service, because let's assume like the men are not willing to for whatever reason, the other nation will have a victory in the military conflict.
	They're going to kill all the men in the population, anyways, and they're going to essay all the women.
	Do you think that the government should then be able to force its citizenry to fight the war?
	I think in this situation, I would agree that both female and male, like U.S. citizens, would be just men.
	Wait, what?
	Just men.
	No, your first question was: do you think that women should also have to join the draft in that situation?
	I see what you're saying.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	I would agree because there's plenty of countries that it is unisex for the draft.
	Right, but not very many.
	It's pretty rare.
	But in any case, so the question is, though, you were arguing, well, it shouldn't be this way.
	So I was presenting to you a scenario where, like, well, should it be this way in this scenario?
	What I was saying is I would hope that it wouldn't have to.
	Yeah, but like, I wish there was world peace and all this stuff, right?
	The reality is if it was forced and we had an uncom, like someone trying to invade us, then yes, I would agree that and we had to do the draft that both women and men who are healthy and no, it would just be men in this example.
	Oh, wait.
	Okay.
	It would just be men.
	I'm having a separate conversation because you're like, oh, the draft shouldn't exist.
	But I'm like, okay, how about in this scenario, should the draft exist?
	Okay, in the situation that we're being actively invaded and not enough people have signed up, then yes, I would say that we have to force people to fight.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I would say in that situation, both men and women should be.
	Wait, do you disagree?
	I disagree.
	Okay.
	If you look in history, I disagree with her, is what I'm saying, only because with the fact that both men and women should fight.
	But I said I'm not for really feminism.
	I'm a girl's girl.
	Oh, you don't want to fight.
	I don't want to fight.
	And not only that, if you look in history, if women were there during the war, we were all just graped.
	And that's how other cultures and stuff started.
	Like, usually they just use us as a tool.
	We don't fight.
	We don't do anything.
	We're just property to another country.
	Well, I mean.
	The reason why I was saying that they should is because if we are being actively invaded, I would be thinking about all of the younger girls that would be essayed versus I versus me.
	You know, like if we're talking about actively being invaded.
	Do you think, though, I mean, I'm taking it in a bit of a different direction, but like in the scenario that I presented, you agree that the men should be drafted?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I said in that situation, I also agree that women should be.
	Women should be drafted.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you do think that women should be drafted then in reality?
	Yes, in that very rare circumstance of that happening.
	But so the current reality is that men are subject to forced military conscription.
	They have to register for the selective service.
	It's a felony if they don't register.
	There's a fine.
	They're barred from certain federal programs.
	They can't get student financial aid.
	There's a couple other, they can't get certain federal jobs.
	There's some other ramifications that aren't immediately coming to my head.
	But this is a, this is only applicable to men.
	Only men can be subject to military conscription.
	Even in peacetime, currently we're, well, I mean, there's kind of some military conflicts going on in the world.
	The U.S. is not.
	Okay, in any case, you believe, for the sake of equality as a feminist, right, shouldn't women also be subject to military conscription?
	Yes, in the situation that you had listed.
	But I don't.
	No, just the current.
	Okay, that was like, I used an extreme example.
	I used an extreme example.
	I'm just asking, in the current, should they be equally subject to military conscription?
	And I'll even grant to you that most of these women are probably not going to, like, just the reality of warfare.
	They're going to be like, I read something once.
	To have one person in combat requires eight support people.
	So to have one person in combat requires eight support people.
	We don't even have to put the women in combat.
	They can be doing pencil pusher shit.
	They can be in support roles far from the front line.
	Should they be forced into military conscription the way men are?
	Yes.
	If we are talking about a draft, it should be both parties.
	Okay, cool.
	I do have one kind of different direction thing here with this.
	Do you think that, how about this scenario?
	There is, we can see into the future.
	Okay.
	We can see 20 years into the future.
	And we know in 20 years, that same army that I described, that nation who's barbaric and who's going to kill all the men and basically make the women slaves and SA them, we can see the future.
	And we say, our population is not big enough to thwart this threat.
	Now, the only way that we can stop this threat is if we draft the women, not to fight the war, but to birth children.
	Hold on.
	To birth children so that in 18, 19, 20 years' time, when they're fighting age, we can repel the enemy.
	Do you think we should be able to conscript?
	Do you think we should be able to, I know it's kind of like a crazy hypothetical.
	Do you think we should be able to conscript women in the same way that we can currently conscript men to be forced to go die in war?
	Should we conscript women who otherwise some women would volunteer?
	Yes.
	I will find men and I will have children because I don't want us to be all killed and essayed.
	Some women, though, we have to force some women to have children.
	Would you make that trade?
	No, because.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, go ahead.
	There are lots of countries that have implemented strategies to try and increase birth rate, and the United States has done none of those measures.
	So I think if we did, then that would, you wouldn't have to force anyone, you know, give free child care, give incentives, make it to where they doesn't have to be able to do that.
	The hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical scenario entails that this invading nation will win the war in 20 years' time because we can see in the future, will win the war in 20 years' time unless like all women birth like two children in the next two years.
	That is such honestly a ridiculous argument.
	Well, it's like engage with it.
	What I'm saying is no, no, that is absolutely so immorally wrong to force someone to be pregnant.
	It is, it would be a form of sexual assault, if I am not correct, because you're forcing.
	So the alternative is that they end up getting sexually assaulted anyways, and all the men are pregnant.
	And that should be their choice, I suppose.
	It should be women's choice.
	It should be women's choice.
	So then why should it be the government's choice to, as it currently is?
	Why can the government force men to go and die in a war?
	I don't want them to force that.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that.
	No, but it's like the reality.
	There's plenty of things that are a reality that can be changed if we decide to act on it.
	It would require total consensus from every single person in the world for war to end.
	I want to say we'd have to take people off our front line.
	It's just protection.
	So it's like a sticky scenario.
	It's just interesting to me.
	Like, so you as a woman, because in the scenario I provided before, I said, just draft the men.
	Just draft the men into that war.
	You're like, well, yes, of course.
	We should take away men's bodily autonomy.
	No, I didn't say that.
	That's literally, you said yes.
	I said men and women.
	I said both should be drafted.
	I never said that only men should be drafted.
	Yeah, but the scenario, I mean, the one is involving sex, and that's also a big difference.
	Yeah, but the oh my goodness.
	The difference is, the difference is, is that even if women get drafted, just the reality of warfare, they're not going to put women on the front line, even if they do get drafted.
	So there's a differential when it comes to bodily autonomy.
	okay forcing people to have children and taking away their right to be able to like live the life that they want to so that you can control a potential war in the It's not a potential war.
	It's a it's it's just there's so many hypotheticals on top of that.
	I know it's a crazy hypothetical.
	I know it's a crazy hypothetical, but it's like, so these people would rather just leave the United States and leave it to fucking burn, to be honest.
	Most women.
	So, okay, just to be clear here, the entailment, though, of the scenario is some women get forced into having children.
	Bear in mind, they can like still try to find a guy that they would want to have sex with.
	They have to have these children.
	Whereas if they don't, then all the women get essayed anyways, and then all the men get put to death.
	You'd still prefer the if it was like if an alert came out tomorrow on the global news or on national TV and was like, every woman of 25 and older needs to have two children within the next five years.
	I pack up my shit and leave.
	I would leave.
	And I think a lot of women.
	Okay, let's assume you're looking for a little loophole here.
	Let's assume that you've given me an impossible situation.
	And the answer is no.
	There is no situation in which forcing a woman to carry something that she doesn't want to or forcing her to have sex when she doesn't want to is in any situation ever redeemable.
	Can I ask you a question?
	How about a different scenario?
	There's one woman left on earth and she doesn't want to have sex.
	So then the world fucking dies out.
	I'm glad she's saying this because what she's proven that you're not leaders, we are.
	Because when push come to shove, if you have to do something outside of your natural will for the greater good, you won't do it.
	And that's cool, but that's just what it is.
	Because men, no, that's exactly what you're doing.
	Because if you, the fate of the country is based on you just saying, hey, we don't want you to allow yourself to get assaulted.
	Because women, you see couples that may have a surrogate where the wife can't get pregnant and she'll have sex with another guy because he can impregnate her.
	Women do that all the time.
	So, am I lying?
	Women have some women, men might be sterile, or they might have a surrogate or a man that can, you know, they use his semen to impregnate the wife sometimes too.
	I'm just, I'm just, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, the her women have been in positions where she had sex with someone that's not her choice or her mate for the greater good of something.
	It may be to have a child with her gay lover or with her man who's impotent.
	So that's her allowing her body to be entered for her personal benefit.
	But when it comes to the benefit of the greater good, she won't do it.
	Well, it's about choice.
	We know, and you made a choice to not be a leader.
	Own it.
	I, well, okay.
	First of all, we're saying the last woman on planet Earth.
	Now, I was talking about the other scenario when you said we need people.
	We're being invaded.
	We need children.
	We need to children.
	And then you look to your allies.
	We have military alliances for a reason.
	You gotta own it.
	You gotta engage with a hypothetical, though.
	You can't be like, well, there's okay.
	But we have these set hypotheticals for these type of talks, but like, you know, I didn't know this was gonna be a question.
	I could have come up with a bunch of hypotheticals for this question to shoot right back at the entailment, the entailment.
	You leave, the allies, whatever.
	The entailment requires that the woman would have to do this thing in order to save all the other women.
	And then the future women, and then all the men too.
	And I can guarantee you that there would be women to pick that up if that came to be, because they would recognize that.
	But forcing a woman who does not want to help and does not want to do that, that's her body.
	And you shouldn't force it the same way that the draft shouldn't be forced.
	It's my same opinion, is that it should not be.
	Like the draft should not.
	Well, I mean, the government.
	If Pearl Harbor was happening right now again in 2024 and we were having a constant taunt.
	It was like Pearl Harbor, by the way.
	Like 1948.
	No, no, it was.
	I want to say it was like 53 or 45, 46.
	No.
	Wait, 1940s.
	Are you thinking of the Korean War?
	Like Pearl Harbor?
	Oh, boy.
	You know what?
	Okay.
	It's been a long time.
	Really quick.
	We don't have the exact answer.
	By the way, guys, this scenario I provided, I just want to make it clear.
	I'm not in any way in favor of that scenario ever playing out.
	I don't think that should ever be the case.
	It's simply a really insane thought experiment to have.
	When was World War II?
	Are you serious?
	1960s.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm not confirming or denying, but 1960s, okay.
	60s, yeah.
	Just do decade.
	What decade, World War II?
	I think it's like, wait, it's 1940s.
	I think it's the 40s.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It's the 40s.
	I have no idea.
	Guess, guess.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Somewhere around what they said.
	Guess.
	Throw out a decade.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My grandpa was in World War II.
	W. 40s.
	Or sorry.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if he's.
	You didn't dine it.
	Yes, can I?
	I don't know.
	Guess.
	The 40s.
	Okay, that was beautiful.
	All right.
	Okay, I'm moving on.
	Wait, what's the answer?
	1939 to 1945.
	Oh, I said 45.
	You said 56.
	I said, no, because I got the numbers switched.
	I said, okay.
	Let's play this back.
	Last thing with the war.
	Last thing with the war.
	Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	In that war?
	No, all wars, any war?
	Are we talking about just casualty, like deaths?
	Just total totality.
	Okay.
	Probably.
	It depends on the war, but I guess.
	How about the Ukraine war?
	It would be men.
	World War II.
	Are we talking about all of the Jews that died?
	Because I don't know.
	There's a lot of women that died.
	They're all men.
	That's hard with that one.
	I don't know.
	It's all men.
	It's all men.
	That's the answer.
	Men.
	Okay, who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Men.
	I guess men.
	I don't know.
	I already answered.
	They're all men.
	Oh, okay.
	Men.
	Men.
	And you already answered.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, okay.
	I swear it's like three more questions.
	You can be sexist towards men Yes, we've all sat here and pretty much did it.
	You said yes.
	I said no.
	We all sat here and pretty much did it.
	To be sexist, you have to be coming from a position of power.
	Prejudice plus power.
	That thing.
	What about you?
	What?
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Can you explain the prejudice plus power thing?
	Well, it's like, for example, racism.
	To be racist, technically, you have to be coming from a position of power.
	Me doing something that may be hurtful to you would not be technically racist.
	Prejudice?
	Wrong.
	Immoral.
	Yes, but racist?
	No.
	I have a question.
	So if someone says like a racial slur to you, does that not make them racist because it didn't hurt your feelings?
	Is that what you're saying?
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying the person.
	The person that is portraying or eliciting these things, they have to be coming from a position of power.
	So I don't mean necessarily.
	Here, let me do a quick example to try to move things along here.
	Okay, Barack Obama, when he was president, he had a white janitor.
	This is a hypothetical.
	This isn't actually real.
	Systemic power.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So Barack Obama, when he was president, he had a white janitor.
	He fires the white janitor because the janitor was white.
	Is that racist?
	It's prejudice.
	Wrong.
	Wait, hold on.
	You just said the definition of racism is prejudice plus power.
	Systemic, systemic power.
	Yeah, the system of the executive branch of the United States government, which is the most powerful country in the world.
	African American people do not have systemic power overall.
	We do not have systemic power.
	It's not racist.
	Barack Obama is wrong.
	It's not racist.
	Barack Obama.
	African American?
	Yes or no?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Barack Obama, president, most powerful man in the world and of the most power, president, leader of the most powerful country in the world?
	He's in a place of power, but he does not have systemic power.
	What do you mean?
	He literally controls the government system.
	He's the, you know, let me ask you a question.
	Is the executive branch of the government a system?
	Yes.
	Is Barack Obama a African-American man?
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	You got to answer the question.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	So the executive branch of the government is a system.
	Barack Obama, an African-American man, was the leader of a system, the executive branch.
	How is that not?
	Let me give you another example.
	So if I have a boss and he is Latino and he fires me because he's black, just because he is higher up than me does not mean that that was racist.
	So it was wrong.
	It wasn't right.
	He would get in trouble for it.
	But it wasn't.
	Wait, not racist.
	No, it wasn't racist.
	It was prejudice because it wasn't systemic.
	Well, can I have that?
	Systematic racism is one thing and racism is another.
	It's just I can say I don't like you because you're this or whatever.
	That doesn't mean I have the power to change your life.
	I can say I don't like nobody in here because of their color, but if it can't impact how they move and how they can take care of themselves, there's no power behind it.
	The power in it is I'm hurting your feelings.
	Systematic racism is when they create redlining and unfair banking practices to prevent people from upward mobility.
	Those are not the same things.
	What the hell is you talking about?
	I want to say racism is just ignorance.
	It's not power.
	It's just of like not knowing.
	Yeah, systematic racism is not the same as racism.
	You're not two people.
	You don't want to understand other sides.
	You just took out a whole group.
	Can I ask your question?
	Sure.
	Hypothetical scenario.
	A group of black men beat up a white person because he's white.
	Is that racism?
	It's wrong, but they are not racist.
	Okay.
	And then, so I'm trying to find that.
	What about like, if what if he's Asian?
	Let's look up the definition.
	I think she's talking about like the actual definition versus like what people's interpretation of the word is.
	A group of Asian things.
	A group of Asian men beat up a black person because he's black.
	Is that racist?
	No.
	Wait.
	So wait.
	A group of white people.
	I'm going off of the definition.
	So one of you technical.
	That's true.
	A group of white people beat up a black person racist, right?
	So is the only group that can be racist towards black people then is white people?
	We're in the U.S. I'm a mixed kid and that is not true.
	No.
	This conversation is just taking.
	Oh, no.
	We're gone.
	I mean, I can't even say that.
	I'm not trying to speak for you, but I think you're talking about the literal definition of racism versus prejudice.
	I want to say I mix my white side of the race.
	I'm talking about the literal definition.
	So if I were to go over there and slap her just because I say I don't like white people, that's not racist.
	I'm talking about the literal definition.
	What is the literal definition?
	That's what I just said.
	Look it up.
	But what is racist to you?
	What is racist to you?
	Look up the definition.
	I'm not asking.
	Obviously, I can, but I'm asking you.
	Go off, please.
	I'm not asking.
	I'm asking you, what is your definition?
	Just look up the definition.
	I don't need to look up the definition.
	We're just asking us.
	I'm asking.
	What is your, what is your, not I'm telling you to look up the definition and read it.
	Okay, but don't come on.
	Thank you.
	What is your definition?
	Not the dictionary's definition.
	Your.
	Dictionary, not the dictionary.
	No, I wasn't correcting.
	I was just saying.
	We got it.
	What is it?
	What you got?
	Because what she's saying is really disturbing because it's like the boy who cried wolf.
	There's real racist situations that'll be ignored because of the goofy shit you just said.
	That don't make no damn sense.
	Systematic racism.
	If I'm black and somebody from the neighborhood that's white and we say, yo, get out of here, white boy, and beat them up.
	That's racist.
	Is it systematically racism?
	No, because we don't have a system backing us to prevent them from upward mobility.
	But discriminating anybody based on race, gender, or any, that's...
	It's discrimination.
	It's racism because it's based on their race.
	It's discrimination when you're saying, I don't like you because I don't like what you're wearing.
	I don't like your shirt.
	That's discrimination.
	But if I'm doing it basically, solely based on race, it's racism.
	So racism, prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is minority or marginalized.
	The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
	So what are you talking about?
	Okay, now look up who can be racist.
	Anybody.
	Anybody can be racist.
	You tell us.
	No, you tell us.
	No, I'm asking you to look at it.
	No, we don't have to.
	I'm asking you to look around.
	But it's your race.
	Everybody can be racist.
	No, no, no, no.
	But it's your claim.
	It's your claim.
	Who can be racist?
	Black people?
	I already told you.
	You're racist based on the movie shit you just said.
	It doesn't make no damn sense.
	You just said that white people can only be racist.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Let's not attack each other on this.
	Into the mic.
	Wait, why don't you just here?
	Why don't you tell us who can be racist?
	I already said my opinion.
	Here, I'll ask them: can Asian people be racist?
	I'm not going to say anything else because you guys are attacking me, so it doesn't really matter what I have to say.
	I'm asking for conversations about this.
	No, don't do that because you're like, what the hell is that?
	I'm going to let you have it.
	Wait, okay, guys, because just answer the question.
	I'm not attacking you.
	I'm just, I'm trying to.
	No, I think I'm done with that.
	I'm trying to understand your worldview.
	Can Asian people be racist?
	I told you I'm done.
	Well, that's intellectually coward, intellectual cowardice.
	No, because you're not.
	I haven't even attacked you.
	How about a different question?
	Well, okay, fine, fine.
	I'll just.
	You view the word prejudice in the way that he says.
	So he said, okay, wait, hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Can I thank you?
	You said racism versus systematic racism in your comparison.
	And she said racism versus prejudice.
	Do you align your version of prejudice to his version of regular racism?
	Correct.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	You guys are talking about the same thing, just using different words.
	They're definitely not talking about the same thing.
	That's their sisterhood sisterhood.
	That's the sisterhood.
	They're definitely not talking about the same thing.
	I know not.
	I know.
	I'm saying that.
	I was going to say they're not.
	But that's the shit they be trying to do.
	You want to tag her in because you try to defend her.
	Let her defend her whole argument.
	She didn't make no sounds.
	She's getting angry.
	And she's evaluated about that.
	What I was taught in school was that racism is systematic.
	So that is wrong.
	It is wrong.
	It is wrong.
	All right.
	You're 100% wrong.
	This is 2024.
	It is wrong.
	Go off.
	That is wrong.
	What did you learn on your own?
	Do you have a library?
	Have you Googled anything?
	Have you bought a book to teach you what it is instead of just listening to what people say?
	Like, what study have you done on your own?
	Two black people versus one black person.
	That's why I asked you to look up the definition.
	We did.
	We did.
	And we just read it.
	That wasn't my notes.
	I got to sit this one out.
	Well, obviously.
	I'm good, man.
	I'm good shit.
	I'm tired.
	Here, but this all stemmed from because I just asked, can you be sexist towards men?
	And you said no.
	And you said, like, it's the same way, like, how you can't be racist towards white people or black people.
	Like, so, um, really, we'll move off of the race thing.
	Let's go to the sexist thing.
	Let's say a company, a company that's owned by women, they refuse to hire men.
	Is that sexist?
	It's wrong.
	She literally can't.
	It's what hold.
	That's the feminist.
	That's the sister shit.
	It's a monster.
	You literally, like, okay.
	It's discriminatory.
	Wait, so just to be clear, let's say this is a publicly, this company is a public.
	Let's do, let's go ahead and split this.
	This company is a publicly traded company.
	It's worth billions of dollars.
	The board is made up entirely of women.
	They control the board.
	They are all in the HR department.
	They handle all the hiring.
	They refuse to hire men.
	Is that sexist?
	I think I already told you my answer.
	So I don't know how else to actually articulate this.
	So you don't think those women have power?
	So these are the board of directors is all the women on the board of directors, they're millionaires.
	And they're looking to hire a male janitor who's hold on.
	So these women, these women, are all millionaires.
	They're all on the board of directors, okay?
	And they're looking to hire a male janitor, right?
	But they refuse to because, and this man, he's an immigrant and he came, he's living in poverty.
	Who has the power in this situation based off of how I learned?
	No, no, no, no, not what you learned.
	Listen to the words I'm saying.
	Like, put it, put it through your mind here.
	I already told you that the women have the power in this situation.
	Yeah, so, but this meets your own definition, right?
	So, I'm even like using your definition.
	I disagree with your definition, but I'm using your definition.
	You said prejudice plus power.
	You just granted that the woman have the you grant, right, that the women in this situation have the power, correct?
	So, this meets your definition, right?
	So, you must concede that this is sexism.
	I think we can just agree to disagree.
	This is like crazy.
	But I'm glad people see it.
	This is no some Manchurian candidate shit.
	As you can see, this feminism shit is a it's a demonic spirit, yo.
	I don't think that's my opinion.
	That has nothing to do with the women.
	That has nothing to do with feminism.
	That has nothing to do with the country.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I want to test the logic a little here.
	Let's use a different country.
	So, a white person goes to China.
	Can they be racist towards him?
	No.
	Whoa.
	Based off of the definition, like a white person.
	But racism says nothing.
	Racism has nothing to do with one race.
	Like, it's racist.
	It's not whitism.
	It's not whitism.
	It's racism.
	It's not blackism.
	It's not Mexicanism.
	I love this one.
	Change the situation.
	Racism.
	Races.
	There's more than one race.
	Yo, let's stop calling it common sense.
	It's uncommon sense.
	Okay.
	Wait, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.
	So a white person goes to China.
	Who has all the power in China?
	Chinese people or white people?
	Okay.
	They have all the power.
	They have all the systemic power, right?
	The Chinese people have systemic power in China.
	Can't believe I'm even saying this.
	A white person goes to China.
	Can the Chinese be racist towards the white person?
	Yes, yes.
	You literally just said.
	I thought you said, could the white person be racist towards the least you're somewhat consistent in your worldview?
	Because I was about to say that'd be ridiculous.
	Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood.
	Okay, so if a white person goes to Africa, would this also apply?
	And like an African country that's like 99.99% black, can the black people be racist in that African country, racist to the white person in that country?
	Correct.
	Okay, at least you're consistent in this application here.
	So is there any, I assume then for you, there's no country in which a woman can be sexist towards men?
	Not that I know of.
	Okay.
	So I'm just confused here, though.
	So, well, what about a country where the woman is the head of state?
	Does that change the power dynamic in that?
	Well, I suppose it could still be patriarchal, even if with a woman head of state.
	Well, could it?
	I don't know.
	This is this is wait.
	Okay.
	The richest woman in the world who probably got it through divorce.
	But the richest woman in the world, she's looking to hire a Mexican immigrant to do what's the term for it?
	Labor?
	Yard work.
	Labor landscaping, landscaping, thank you hires a Mexican immigrant, male Mexican immigrant, to do how great, but now it's gonna get like intersectional, and you're gonna be like, oh, but he's a Mexican immigrant, so okay, and this is okay, fuck, okay, okay, who has the power in that situation?
	The woman is hiring the immigrant, okay.
	Fuck, I should not have introduced the immigrants.
	Okay, the the richest woman in the world hires a white man from a middle-class background to do landscaping for her.
	Who has the power?
	Uh, whereas what race is the woman?
	I'm confused.
	Look, she's white, and it's a white man.
	And the situation in terms of employment, the woman does, but she refuses to hire him because I don't know where all these female landscapers are, but she refuses to hire him because he's a man.
	Is that sexist?
	My answer is going to be the same.
	It's discrimination.
	Actually, my previous example was better.
	This company, the whole board is women, and they're looking to hire a janitor, but they refuse to hire a male janitor because he's male.
	Is that sexist?
	Sorry, repeat the question.
	Okay.
	How about this?
	Let me reverse it.
	A company that all the everybody on the board of directors, they're all male.
	They're looking to hire a cleaning lady, somebody to clean the office, but they refuse to hire a female cleaning lady because she's a woman.
	Is that sexist?
	Yes, they're all male.
	So, why is it different when men and women do it to men?
	I don't know how else to like this is, but this is danger.
	This is dangerous because there's people that really think like this in the world and will fuck somebody's life up with this dumbass rhetoric.
	Like, this shit is crazy.
	You're talking about feminism, and I heard you say that feminism is like witchcraft.
	And as much as I think, no, I said what she's talking about.
	This mentality is not a problem.
	I heard it kind of feminism.
	All right.
	This mentality that she has and other women have where they can stand in the face of logic and say no is demonic to me.
	That's my statement.
	I'm standing.
	It's demonic.
	It's not under my control.
	It doesn't make no damn sense.
	Can we not call each other?
	I said it's demonic.
	The mind state is demonic.
	You're not demonic.
	You're not a demon.
	But that mentality, when you can say women imposing their power is not sexist, but men doing it as sexist.
	That's extremely biased.
	Last one.
	Last one.
	Let's say I know you were probably very upset that Trump won.
	I'm sorry.
	I know you were very upset.
	Hey, why is this visible here?
	We should not have these hats visible.
	You want a hat?
	You wear it.
	I'm straight, man.
	Okay.
	Trump didn't win the election, right?
	Kamala wins.
	Same scenario.
	She's looking to hire a janitor in the White House.
	She refuses Kamala Harris.
	She won the presidency.
	She refuses to hire a man because he is a man.
	And he's applying for a janitor position.
	Is that sexist?
	Are you asking me?
	Yeah, I'm obviously asking you.
	Oh no, you were looking that way.
	Oh, I'm just looking into the distance.
	My answers are still going to be the same.
	I don't know different questions, but they all have the same answer.
	Just answer the question.
	Just answer the question.
	It's the same answer.
	Yeah, what's the answer?
	It's the same thing.
	So no.
	No.
	Is it no?
	Yes, it's the same thing.
	So Kamala Harris, who is in charge of the executive branch of the United States government, which is a system, she's the most powerful, arguably the most powerful person in the world now that she's president, United States, most powerful country in the world, leader of said country.
	She has the power.
	She has the prejudice.
	It meets your own.
	I'm using your own definition of sexism.
	How is she non-sexist?
	I already told you.
	This is a perfect example of cognitive distances.
	I'm using your definition, right?
	She can't even save her.
	No, no, this is all right.
	I can't save her.
	You can't keep saying that.
	Okay, okay, you said, because try to help her.
	Okay, I believe that you can obviously be sexist to men.
	And I think that based off of on the basis of sex, which we know was solidified in our, I guess, legislator by Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
	That being said, I think what disconnect is verbiage because sometimes people have different verbiage of what they interpret as prejudice versus racism versus systematic racism.
	No, but I'm using her definition.
	I'm literally using her definition.
	And she won't.
	She said powerless.
	She won't even grant it.
	She will not even grant it.
	Thank you.
	What would you call that situation, I suppose?
	What would I call it?
	Yeah, like, if...
	It's crazy.
	Like...
	Like, if it wasn't, if it wasn't, what word would you use instead of sexist, I suppose?
	Is this the first, like, just curious, I'm not trying to be mean, is this.
	Is this the first time you've ever heard a dissenting opinion on this?
	I've heard, yeah, different.
	And by the way, I know, like, maybe as a white man, I mean, but you've had two African-American individuals.
	Do you guys prefer black?
	Do you prefer black?
	Sorry, I'm really white, so I don't know what's happening.
	It doesn't matter.
	Does it matter?
	Is it a fact?
	I mean, for the sake of this conversation, you know what matters.
	I have my opinion on that.
	I don't like the, you know, black and white.
	No one's really literally black.
	Nobody's literally white.
	But that's a whole nother conversation.
	Yeah, I'm kind of like pink.
	Yeah, I'm brown.
	People need to identify me properly as a pink person.
	I'm a pink person.
	You retarded.
	Now, you would not do well on a day with her.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm a little autistic.
	Autism.
	Now, okay, so it's just like using your own definition, even then, you just, you won't even grant it.
	That's extreme bias.
	That's sexist.
	All right.
	Yeah, it is kind of like to say that.
	She is.
	Nothing of the vengeance, but you are a sexist.
	It's obvious.
	Your mindset is fixated on men are the problem.
	And no matter what argument comes to you, because me, I actually.
	I never said men.
	I never said that.
	No, you ain't got to say it.
	You're saying it without saying it.
	You don't need to say it.
	You literally, we gave you two scenarios that are identical, and you couldn't say, yeah, that woman's being sexist.
	You couldn't say it.
	So that means your mind is already fixated and made up that women can never be impose any type of force on men.
	Your mind is already made up.
	You're biased as hell.
	If there's a country where women have majority power.
	That's not the point.
	No, I'm answering.
	You said that in every case that I would be sexist towards men.
	So if women had majority power, he just gave you a scenario of that and you still denied it.
	We all seen it.
	She's saying that even if Kamala won the presidency, there would still be a patriarchy.
	There's still, like, it would still be like men in power.
	But, like, do you agree that there's like micro and macro level stuff?
	Like, for example, like, there's the societal, there's the, like, I guess the societal systemic level sexism, but isn't there individual level sexism?
	Yeah, I could agree to that.
	Like, for example, um, if I don't know how many other ways I can put this, if uh a guy didn't want to be in a room alone with a woman because he had a fear of woman because of a previous bad experience, would that be sexism?
	Wait, I don't know if you're I don't know if you'll find that compelling, but so like a woman did something to him.
	No, he heard okay, he heard stories of women falsely accusing men of a crime, and for this reason, he doesn't want to be in a room alone with her, with any woman.
	Is that sexist?
	I don't know.
	That's just I don't know.
	I didn't, I wasn't sure if you would bite on that.
	Um, I don't know how else to tackle this, to be honest.
	Um, it is kind of like sexist in and of itself to say, like, wouldn't it be sexist to be to say like you can't be racist towards black people?
	Like, that would be racist in and of itself, right?
	Yeah, it's like when Joe Biden said, if you're not black, if you don't vote for me, you're not black.
	And no, and mad black people wasn't offended.
	That was racist as hell.
	You know what I'm saying?
	To say that, that you have the audacity to say that.
	So, I think this is a very simple, basic concept.
	And the fact that you're fighting it to death is like I'm not saying that it's not, for lack of better words, a form of racism.
	What I'm saying is that based on the definition that I know, technically, technicalities, it's not.
	But I used your definition.
	So, in a scenario where there's a company that's predominated by women, the women hold the power in the company, and they're refusing to hire a male janitor because he's a male.
	How would that not be and meet your definition of sexism?
	Because you have the two criteria: power plus prejudice.
	Are they prejudiced?
	Yes.
	Do they have power?
	Yes.
	Yeah, but in the overarching landscape of things, they don't have the power.
	They have the power and they're not.
	So, what system?
	So, if I'll even, okay, so I'll even use your word, systemic power.
	Which system are we talking about?
	There's multiple, there's different kinds of systems, right?
	So, like, let's say a major corporation that has 100,000 employees.
	Is that a system?
	Sure, yeah, yeah.
	What about the university system?
	Is that a system?
	Yeah, okay.
	Now, let's assume in the university system, it's like all women who somehow they get control of the university system.
	And now that they have control over admissions, they refuse to like allow men into university.
	Would this be sexism?
	I would say yes, just because they have the power to oof they all had the power, but it's affecting many people, huh?
	It's affecting many people.
	Well, they're just like refusing to allow in what school you went to.
	All right.
	You went to college, right?
	Yeah.
	What college you went to?
	Wait, yeah, what?
	You have my master's.
	You have to have a master's.
	I have a master's, but I think she said she had to master.
	I think, oh, there's this.
	What's that saying about like you have to be this educated?
	I don't know.
	What's that chat?
	What's that saying?
	What's that saying?
	I need a drink.
	Double shot.
	Okay.
	So, wait, really quick, in that example I just provided, would you grant that that would be sexist?
	Yes.
	A little person.
	Let's give them money.
	You got me made it somewhere.
	You got me finally made it somewhere.
	But the society, the society is still a patriarchy.
	Is it still sexist?
	But these women control this specific system.
	So they're still in the U.S. or?
	Yeah, it's in the United States.
	So there's still a patriarchy.
	There's, yeah, still a patriarchy.
	Donald Trump's president, but all the women in the.
	Are you familiar with the university, the UC system?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The UC system, just like somehow women get control in the UC system here in California, and they're refusing to allow men to enroll in university.
	Is that sexism?
	Okay, I will say this.
	Answer the question first, then say that.
	I'll allow you to say it, but answer the question first, then say it.
	Based on the definition that I know of, no, but I would say that it is a sexist act.
	Wait, it's a what?
	Wait, it's a what sexist.
	It's a sexist act.
	A sexist.
	Okay, you've just introduced this word.
	Wait, a sexist Caesar word.
	How is verbiage difference?
	It's just here.
	Just let's say it's a different person.
	I had a two-hour drive home.
	No, because you guys are kind of going back and forth, and I really genuinely feel like it's just verbiage difference.
	But it's a huge difference.
	Words matter.
	Because if you want, y'all all are coming up.
	And I'm not saying that they don't, but I'm just saying that I'm not.
	Let's be grown.
	Let's be real here.
	Everybody gave off their beautiful educational credentials.
	Can you go to your professor and change the definition, or is it what the fuck he asked you to do?
	Yes or no?
	What is that?
	Yes or no?
	If he said, I don't want you to do a paper on U.S., the Boston Tea Party, can you redefine what aspect of Boston he's talking about or redefine what flavor of tea he's talking about?
	Or do you have to talk about the exact Boston Tea Party?
	Yes or no, college education.
	What is that famous like college educated women?
	Can you tell your professor, well, I was talking about New England, not necessarily Boston, but Foxborough.
	What is that famous professor that was all over YouTube?
	It matters.
	She was a cope.
	She's a woman.
	Really quickly.
	Keep talking about how black people can't be racist.
	Okay, who cares about you?
	Who cares what they say?
	Like your video.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I don't know her name.
	So it would be a sexist act, but it wouldn't be sexism.
	I can't wrap it up.
	So the color purple is a biopic, huh?
	What?
	The color purple?
	That was a biopic to you?
	Like, that was real?
	Because based on your logic, like, somebody could say anything.
	I'm saying that it's sexist, but in the terms of the actual definition, it can't be.
	Wait, that's the thing.
	Somebody locked the fuck up.
	Wait, I would hate the way you want to drink.
	Women do not have the power.
	Is this why you've only met your girlfriend once?
	Wait, repeat that.
	Like, long distance.
	It has to be following.
	Did you catch that chat?
	Chat, did you catch that?
	Wait, so okay.
	So you just said, you just said it would be sexist, but it's also not the definition of sexism.
	Let's look that up because we looked up racism.
	Let's look up sexist.
	I don't think she even knows.
	It's just, it's like, I don't, it's crazy.
	It's wild.
	I cannot believe this.
	This is the modern feminist shit.
	That's not even feminist.
	It has nothing to do with feminism.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	You can't mix the two things.
	Twisted version of the shit.
	No, it has nothing to do with feminism.
	Because we just gave you the definition of racism and you're arguing with us.
	That has nothing to do with feminism.
	It does.
	It's different forms of feminism.
	It separates us.
	I forgot all forms.
	I know they have nothing or it has the way she told you about it.
	It is wrong.
	It's from an extremist perspective.
	She's taking that and running with it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	She's an extremist.
	There's levels of feminism.
	You can be pro-black and you can be a feminist.
	You can be somebody that's proud of that.
	Feel like this.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You can be somebody that's proud to be an American, and then you can be a white supremacist.
	It might start from the same place, but it's an extreme version of it, and there's a relatable version of it.
	Most of you are talking about a relatable form of feminism.
	She's expressing, which a lot of women in this world do, especially America, an extreme version of feminism that's beyond reason that will get somebody's life in danger.
	I don't care how soft you say it, it's still as dangerous as me yelling.
	That has nothing to do with feminism.
	No, it has those, they're two totally different things.
	Stop putting words in my mouth.
	That's we just gave you the definition of racism and you argue with this.
	You argue with that.
	What is the fitness test for definition according to you?
	A woman?
	A woman?
	Or Webster's dictionary.
	Because you brought up someone we never heard of, but the dictionary version don't mean shit.
	Don't mean shit.
	What I said from the beginning was based off the definition that I learned.
	Oh, my God.
	According to that, according to that, yes.
	You know what I learned growing up in Newark, New Jersey?
	That people don't look like me hate me automatically.
	I learned that growing up in Newark that, yo, down south.
	Can you hold on for a second?
	Please don't call me sweetheart.
	Whatever.
	What's your name, pupcake?
	No, no, I'm going to call you ma'am.
	Ma'am.
	Ma'am.
	Cupcake up here.
	Ma'am.
	You don't call me anybody.
	Cupcake?
	Ma'am.
	Cupcake.
	Miss, Miss, ma'am.
	Sweetie.
	Whatever.
	What I'm saying is, I grew up thinking that I grew up thinking that if I go down south, because I live in Charlotte, I'm from Newark, New Jersey.
	I grew up thinking that if you live under the Mason-Dixon line, most people in rural America are racist.
	That's what I was taught.
	But my experience showed me that that's a lie.
	So once new information comes into my life, what mature people do is discard the nonsense and stick to what matters.
	What immature people do is stick to something ideological because it affirms their feelings.
	That's what children do.
	You're grown as hell.
	Excuse me, because what I just said is based on that definition that those things are correct.
	And I've been over this.
	We've been talking about this for like 45 minutes.
	I didn't.
	And it's not going to change.
	It just is what it is.
	I don't think that we're getting anywhere with this with this conversation.
	I think that we're just at all.
	Like, I'm going to say, I got a two-hour drive back.
	Me too, sweetheart.
	I got to get it.
	I'm going to do in the morning.
	I'm tired.
	We get it.
	We get it.
	Women can do no wrong.
	I just would hate to be on trial in a jury.
	Let's just not be calling each other names or, you know, we can have like a respectful conversation about it.
	He could just call us.
	He called out everybody, girls.
	Even when I was mad at him, he called me a sweetheart.
	And I could get frustrated.
	Oh, no, I wasn't talking about the sweetheart comment.
	People really get jeopardized with this type of thinking.
	He said that it was demonic thinking.
	He didn't say she was demonic.
	He said the way that she's thinking is demonic.
	He did correct himself.
	Yeah, I said it.
	I'm standing on that shit.
	That mentality is demonic because people can really be affected by that.
	It's like the boy who cried wolf.
	And when people take that rhetoric that you're kicking, somebody can really get their life jeopardized because of that because they don't want to make a substantial claim on what it is at the sake of upholding this fake, false feminist power that you're trying to hold.
	That shit is goofy as well.
	I'm moving on.
	Real quick, how many times have he been on the show, though?
	First time.
	First time.
	Let me say something.
	Because when you asked me all of these questions, it was based off of my definition, correct?
	Sure.
	I recognize that that is what Google or wherever you looked up the definition says.
	So, who has the power to define it?
	It just is what it is.
	Who has the power to define this word?
	Who?
	What systems have the power to define?
	I'm asking specifics.
	When you were in college, who had the power to define words when you were actually doing your reports and papers?
	Were you allowed to just take any ambiguous definition from any Tom, Dick, and Harry?
	No, no.
	Or were there specific sources that you had to cite when you did your work?
	Yes or no?
	Of course.
	It came from the music.
	So, what the hell are you talking about today?
	So, what are you talking about today?
	Just say I don't mess with men like that.
	And I'll accept that, but don't hit me with that bullshit.
	Don't call her sweetheart.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	How dare I?
	How dare you?
	What should he call you?
	Nothing.
	Just don't call me anything.
	Uh-oh.
	Or call me by my name.
	Call you it?
	Like, what do you want him to call it?
	Okay.
	And it's sort of kind of like a music.
	Wait, does this really quick?
	Does this also apply to hate crimes?
	Like, let's say, good question.
	When it comes to your definition of sexism, right?
	Like, would, like, if a black person, like, could a black person commit a hate crime against a white person?
	No, that's different.
	Okay, so, yeah, just yes, they can.
	Right, yes.
	A hate crime could be committed against anyone.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Final thing here.
	Final thing here.
	So it's, I wrote, it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman, and then you two disagreed.
	Okay, I disagreed because a trans woman is now a woman.
	So you disagree too?
	For a man to date a trans woman, he's right.
	I don't think we're going to change anyone's opinion who holds that to be a belief, right?
	But like she was saying, there's a biological.
	However, I do think that if you alter yourself to be a woman and you believe in your heart of hearts that that is the right path for you, I believe that that's perfect for them.
	Here's the thing: it doesn't matter because I'm it's it has nothing to do with me.
	Why should I yuck someone else's young?
	That's my thing.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If I have a pet pit bull, right?
	And I think he's, I think she's hot, and I think my pit bull, hold on, I got a pit bull.
	I have a pit bull.
	I have a pet pit bull, right?
	Hypothetically, if I have a pet pit bull that identifies as a girl pit bull, oh my god, no, that I identify as a woman.
	If I have sex with a pit bull, is that bestiality or am I with a woman?
	That pit bull is not, they can't make that decision.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	We can't talk about this, right?
	It's like YouTube DOS to like talk about bestiality.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But here, let me, the prior question, though, is like, so, okay, a trans woman is a woman.
	Do you agree with that?
	Yes.
	Trans woman is a woman?
	Yes.
	Can I actually say something?
	Because I actually think it.
	Oh.
	One second.
	Let me just ask this question.
	And I think both of you actually said no.
	You didn't disagree with this, but would it be wrong for a man to refuse to date a trans woman because she's trans?
	Oh, I see where you're going with this.
	That's no, that's that's his preference.
	Okay, fair.
	That's his choice.
	Okay, but you do think that it would be a man dating a trans woman.
	You do think it's straight.
	I do believe that it's straight because they are now a woman, and I know that that triggers a lot of people.
	That triggers people.
	Are they female?
	They're not biologically female.
	They're non-biologically female.
	But they're a woman.
	See, this is my issue with extreme feminism because it ultimately takes you to the same thing.
	What does it do to you if someone wants that?
	Listen, I'm not trying to convince you.
	I'm talking to the people.
	My problem with extreme feminism is it's ultimately taking man and woman away from nature.
	It's taking us away from natural understanding and natural phenomenon just to fit a narrative to make people feel empowered at the expense of natural and nature and natural situation.
	It just doesn't make sense.
	Okay.
	You're a guy that likes guys.
	You're just gay.
	What's wrong with just being gay?
	What's wrong with a woman who likes women?
	She's just gay.
	You're not a man and she's not a woman.
	It has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of it.
	It has to do with how...
	It has to do with chromosomes.
	A man and a woman is just a label that we create.
	Female versus male is actually intersexual.
	So what makes me different from man and woman.
	Am I different from you?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Why?
	Why am I different from you?
	What makes me different from you?
	Many things.
	Like what?
	Reproducing.
	Your personality?
	No, besides, no, physical stuff.
	Reproducing.
	You're taller.
	Like we have male parts.
	What's a male part?
	Appears.
	You're a male.
	What's a male?
	Biologically versus...
	Don't save her.
	Don't save her.
	Let her know.
	I had made a point that you kind of ran over, and that's intersex people who are born intersex.
	That does happen.
	And that's when testes are inside of basically where, like, women can be born with testes.
	An anomaly.
	Yes, but what you're saying is nature.
	You're the master of anomalies.
	You're saying nature versus, and my argument is nurture versus nature, right?
	This entire back and forth that we've had.
	That being said, there are plenty of circumstances in nature that go against your rule.
	For example.
	Of course, there are a lot of anomalies.
	No, not anomalies, just within hedgehogs, for example.
	Hedgehogs.
	No, I know people are going to be laughing here.
	We are.
	But here's the thing.
	It's about power.
	It's all about the power.
	No, it's not about power.
	It's something that you can do.
	I think I just feel threatened right now.
	You just feel very, yeah, yeah.
	I feel threatened by who, you?
	No, no, no.
	She's talking.
	I'm not even.
	I'm not.
	I'm not threatening Sweetheart at all.
	Not in the least.
	Okay, please, can we finish?
	Hedgehogs will have sex with other men with other male hedgehogs.
	Hedgehogs, hedgehogs.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hedgehogs are observed in nature, plenty of times to be homosexual.
	We also have Komodo dragons that can reproduce Komodo dragons.
	There are stuff to nature.
	No, This means y'all will go to prove these points.
	It's just a moment.
	No, it's not.
	No, because you're saying nature.
	Things that are found in nature.
	Okay, so let me.
	So if you're a business owner, right?
	It's the same argument that people say that being gay isn't natural.
	There's plenty of circumstances where in nature where other animals that have no consciousness of our, like ours, who don't care about politics, are causing a lot of people.
	So a lion is political?
	So most animals are political?
	No, I would say that no animals are political, only humans.
	So what about the animals that deal with male and female?
	They're political or that's just being themselves?
	Y'all sound crazy as hell.
	No, no, no, okay.
	What I'm saying is.
	Articulation does not equate to intelligence.
	No, no, no.
	Your argument is things in nature should like change.
	For the most part.
	Okay, so now you're saying for the most part.
	I mean, because that's reality.
	If you're a business owner, let me give you an example.
	You have a business, right?
	Right now, Brian has an adult podcast.
	If he realizes that most of his subscribers are from America and he has a little bit in Africa, is he going to focus his business plan towards America?
	I do got some.
	Or, I'm just, for example, you're going to focus your business on where you're thriving the most.
	You're not going to ignore this thriving market of people purchasing your product just to focus on 12 people over here.
	If you did that in business, it'll be stupid.
	But in these conversations, because it's about being right, not making real sense, y'all would focus on the small, minority, abnormal anomaly just to win an argument.
	That shit is petty as hell.
	And just because you can articulate it doesn't mean it's intelligence or logic or reason.
	It just sounds very good.
	Speaking well does not mean you know what you're talking about.
	There is logic and there is reason.
	There's no logic.
	Two men cannot make life.
	Okay, why are you bashing her to make your point?
	Exactly.
	And the other thing is, why are we even talking about this on a dating podcast?
	It was a dating.
	Hold on.
	Why are we talking about half of these topics on a dating podcast other than just saying?
	We're talking about homosexuality in nature.
	That is what my point was, is that it does happen in nature.
	Anyway, okay, fine.
	I'll put it in.
	But that's a relationship.
	So my question first was about, well, is it wrong if a guy doesn't?
	Because this is something that comes up and I've heard some like trans activists say, yeah, it actually is transphobic if a cis, I hate that fucking word, but cis male refuses to date a transgender woman.
	I don't think that's anybody's position here, but the secondary question is, well, is it straight?
	And I don't think it is.
	I actually want to get to my point.
	Sure, go ahead.
	I think if you consider them a woman, if you consider her a woman, and you are a male, then you are still straight.
	If you consider that person a male still, sorry, a man, still, yes.
	Okay, then you are not straight.
	I'll let you come in.
	And I will leave that up to the man in the relationship.
	Okay, so that's relationship.
	Yeah, no one else can decide whether he is straight or homosexual other than him.
	I'm going to give you a hypothetical here to test the logic.
	So let's say there's outside parties who are privy to the nature of this sexual relationship.
	So if you, if you, well, I don't know, maybe asking you isn't the best idea.
	But like, let's say we could, like, we got binoculars and we were being fucking voyeurs, and I see a trans woman who still has a penis having having anal sex with another male.
	How would this not just definitely, how would it not be homosexual?
	Why do you think so much about other people's genitals?
	That's my question.
	That's a great question.
	Why are you thinking so much about other people?
	I think he's asking for this transition.
	I would also say that.
	I think about large labia occasionally.
	I think about that, but I don't, frankly, I don't think about this.
	I mean, that's a great way to try to like obfuscate, like try to move away from the actual argument that's being had.
	So, why don't you engage with the actual argument instead of just like trying to divert the conversation?
	I understand your argument, but I would also say that a woman, a biological woman and a male, could also participate in anal sex.
	I could wear a strap and I could strap a man.
	Okay, so hold on.
	He's not a man if he lets you do that, sweetheart.
	Let me help you.
	Yeah, that's your opinion.
	But I'm just saying that it's a possibility.
	So, bro.
	So, okay.
	So, just to be clear, here's the scenario.
	So, can a transgender woman who you say that's a woman, is she still a woman?
	No, no, no, hold on.
	If she has a penis, is she still a woman?
	She's a woman, right?
	Yeah, she identifies as a woman.
	She identifies it, but she has a penis, right?
	Okay.
	But she's also not, well, it's still a male.
	You'll grant me that, correct?
	Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
	But so, transgender woman, still male, right?
	Okay, so when we say homosexual, we mean what will you grant me?
	Will you grant me this?
	Homosexual is a same-sex relationship.
	Agree?
	Okay, so you've just conceded the argument: a male and a male having sex is homosexual.
	She identifies as a doesn't.
	No, we're not talking about gender, we're talking about sex, right?
	So you would agree that these transgender women have not changed her sex, correct?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Homosexual means same-sex relationship.
	Based on one definition.
	You can argue that they've changed their gender, but you can never argue that they've changed their sex, correct?
	Correct.
	But I would.
	So if that's the case, they would be in a homosexual relationship, correct?
	That's your opinion, but then hold on.
	If someone identifies as being, you know, if someone says, no, I view them as a woman and they are my partner, you just going around and calling them gay, what is that accomplishing?
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	I don't think they're going to gay.
	My thing is this.
	What is this conversation?
	My question is this.
	If a guy wants to have sex with someone who's trans, he's going to, and he's not going to care what any of us at this table think.
	We get it, but we got.
	You don't have a child.
	I have a daughter, so I care what people think.
	Without lauding the order, we need things to be conclusive to have a firm civilization.
	If we took y'all logic and applied it to everything, we would be in utter fuckery.
	Because I can say, hey, professor, you told me I got an F, but I really think this is an A. Because I identify this F as an A. Would that logic make sense in that scenario?
	Yes or no?
	No.
	Why not?
	I identify this failed report card as a passing grade.
	Is that failed report card a living, breathing being?
	No.
	Maybe we should look it up.
	But sexuality is how you identify yourself, correct?
	No, that's what they told you.
	Look, so I'm even, so just for the sake of the argument.
	Hold on.
	Just for the sake of the argument, I'm willing to grant that there's a.
	I don't actually believe this, but I'll grant it for the sake of being charitable.
	I'll even grant that sex and gender are different.
	I'll even grant it.
	I'll grant it that your gender can change.
	You can identify, you can be a trans, like, you can identify as a woman.
	I'll grant it for the sake of the argument, but you already conceded that these people are not changing their sex.
	And you concede this too.
	I didn't say anything, actually.
	Oh, well, let me ask you also then.
	I didn't say anything.
	Let me ask you.
	Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
	So, a transgender woman, is she male or female?
	I believe that she is female.
	She is female.
	A transgender.
	Can a man get a trans woman?
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	I'm actually really talking about a trait born what.
	So, okay, it's a transgender woman used to be a man.
	Yes.
	So, was male, is still male.
	Do you grant that?
	No, I believe that she is female.
	So, they change their.
	Can you change your chromosomes?
	If they legally change, that's a question for her.
	Go ahead.
	I personally believe that if you go through all of the bullshit of having to come out to your family, go through all of those treatments, fucking do injections every single fucking day, take parts of yourself.
	Yeah, fucking call yourself, call yourself whatever you want at the end of the day after that.
	I'll just go ahead and earn it more than I have.
	Hold on, I'm just going to go ahead and grant that that's a woman.
	Is it a female?
	If they call themselves female, then yeah, they are.
	That's what I feel.
	That's how I feel.
	That's what I view it as.
	Even from trans activists, I don't hear that they're female.
	Do you know what sex is?
	Do you know what chromosomes are?
	Okay, so they're so okay.
	Chromosomes.
	If we're talking about chromosomes, yes, they still have male transparency.
	So they're female or male.
	Is a trans woman a male or a female?
	They are biologically still male, but how we're not female.
	If they're biologically male, they can't be female.
	You cannot be, it doesn't work like that.
	Cannot buy.
	How we perceive them and how they want to be perceived.
	I don't think it's a matter of time.
	I already granted to you that they can be.
	I don't believe it, but I'll grant to you for the sake of argument that they can be a woman.
	But I'm trying to tackle pin down if you'll.
	Why does that matter, though?
	Because it's, well.
	Why does it, though?
	That's what I'm asking.
	Why does it matter to you?
	Why does it matter in any of these questions?
	If you're not planning on dating a trans woman and no one at this table is planning on dating a trans man, why does it matter to you?
	If a man gets approached, this is why it matters.
	Easy.
	This is why it matters.
	Because if a man that's a straight man gets approached by a trans woman and tells her no and other people say that's discrimination, that's why these conversations matter.
	And it's not even that.
	It might not matter to us.
	It might not matter to him.
	But there's people watching right now where it does matter because they are transgender and these things are happening to them.
	So we can sit here and not talk about it, but it deserves to be talked about just because we aren't going to be aware of that.
	Can a trans woman get pregnant by a man?
	I think that they actually are doing.
	Hey, hold on, hold on.
	I think that they're doing a uterus.
	That is something that is happening.
	They're doing uterus implants, and it's done by, I believe, stem cell research.
	That is something, the same thing of cutting-edge technology of women being able to procreate without men.
	These things do exist.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Absent that surgical intervention, can trans women get pregnant?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Really quick going around the table.
	What is a woman?
	I don't want to answer this.
	Okay.
	I genuinely believe a woman.
	A woman is a woman.
	Like, I do believe it comes down to.
	You can't.
	That's so sad.
	You can't change it.
	It's a circular definition.
	You have to, you can't, like, define woman without using the word woman.
	Totally.
	She has a vagina, but virginally, when she's born.
	You can identify as a woman, but I wouldn't say that you technically are a woman born a woman.
	What is a woman?
	I believe that a woman is.
	I could get all poetic.
	I could be like, women are beautiful, women are light, women are, you know, all of the things, but it doesn't really matter because you could say that about women, too.
	Actually, I couldn't, especially the men at this table right now.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you.
	So, anyways, why don't you actually attempt to answer the question, what is a woman?
	I think a woman is someone who identifies as being okay.
	I'm not allowed to say.
	Do you think that is it okay if they have boobs?
	Is that safe to say, you know?
	To be able to take semen and make a baby come out.
	I can't even do that.
	And I'm fucking a biological woman.
	That's fine.
	Because you have an illness.
	Yeah, but does that make me any less of a woman?
	No, but you have an illness.
	You have something that's not natural happening to you.
	That's not natural to have lupus, no offense.
	So that's not acting like that's an you're still talking about anomalies and trying to make them normal.
	Women are nature to be able to give birth.
	Of course, not all some women have medical problems.
	Some women are, you know, they're older.
	A 70-year-old woman, she can't, she gone through menopause, can't have children.
	She's still a woman.
	But she can't bear children either.
	So she has a illness.
	But being old is not an illness.
	No, I'm saying, but your eggs, after a while, she don't have any more eggs, but she's still a woman.
	So it's not, but she still has a vagina.
	So take away the ability to have children.
	They don't have vaginas.
	I'm not talking about a slick that they cut.
	That's not a vagina.
	And if you want to tell people, when we're being formed in the womb, we are the same up until a certain point.
	Let me ask the rest of the table.
	Let me ask the rest of the table.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is what is defined by the person.
	What is a woman?
	Double X chromosome.
	Okay.
	Agreed with her.
	Double X.
	The same.
	Can a man get pregnant?
	To you?
	So can a man get pregnant?
	Can a man get pregnant?
	Can a man get pregnant?
	A trans man can.
	Okay.
	Because he's really a woman.
	Can let me see.
	What about should we allow transgender women to participate in women's sports?
	No.
	Sorry.
	I don't have an opinion on that because I'm not.
	I literally don't have an opinion on that because I don't know enough about Olympic sports to be able to.
	Wait, you didn't even see girls.
	No, he's like a safety lady stuff.
	Yeah.
	Okay, here's the thing.
	I would say that I don't, we get into a sticky situation because then you also have, hold on, hold on.
	You have people who have either, like the, the, I think it was like a skater, figure skater, who she is biologically a woman.
	She has a vagina, a uterus, fucking boobs, but she has either the, she's either intersex or she fucking tests high for testosterone.
	And then she's talking about this.
	We're talking about being man swimming with females.
	Yeah, we're talking about the momentum.
	He's much stronger and wider than a female, just naturally.
	I would say, personally, can a trans man with balls and a penis get in the ring and fight a woman?
	Yes or no?
	I don't know.
	Yes or no.
	I would probably say no.
	All right.
	Once again.
	Once again, I don't know enough about, hold on.
	About fighting?
	About power?
	No.
	I don't think anyone at this table actually knows anything about this.
	Hold on.
	Let me let me finish my thought.
	Let me finish my thought.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish my thought about this.
	I'm not educated, highly educated on this.
	Please, I don't think any of us really, maybe, maybe her, maybe her.
	Can I finish before you get angry?
	I'm not angry at you.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Know how estrogen, testosterone therapy, all of these different therapies that people who are trans are getting done.
	I don't know how that affects their bone density.
	I don't know how that affects their ability to perform.
	I'm telling you that I don't know enough about this subject to make an educated opinion, and I'm getting ripped apart by you guys because I don't know enough about a subject to make an educated opinion.
	So, let me say this.
	So, if I'm going to find that, if I hit you, I think that's the best answer.
	No, of course.
	But if I put on a skirt right now, in front, if I go in the bathroom right now, come back out with a skirt.
	Never.
	If I go in the bathroom and come out with a skirt right now, you would not be trans and hit her.
	Why wouldn't I be?
	That would be a woman on the bottom.
	If I go in the bathroom and come out and dress and say, starting at this point, trans is how you feel inside.
	I don't know how I feel inside.
	I could have had a nominal.
	Oh, I know myself.
	I could have had an epiphany just now.
	So, you know what?
	I want to be a girl.
	That's a strong arm.
	Wait, hold on.
	You know it's a good idea.
	You are an active.
	You're good.
	You're good.
	You are an actor.
	She's awesome.
	She's very good.
	She's golden glow.
	I'm getting water.
	It's just unsafe.
	Wasn't there actually someone in the Olympics that I was about to say and they were the slowest swimmer for the men and then swim against the women and one against the women and won the model.
	You know what's so sad about this argument?
	And I'm going to shut up.
	The locker rooms and the safety.
	Yes.
	You know what's so sad about this argument?
	That's just shows your sickness and this fake-ass power struggle.
	These trans women, men that you're defending is taking what God made for you.
	It ain't even affecting me.
	You got women that think it was a show, I think, on what is a woman.
	These girls practice and train to be to get scholarships to run track and they got it taken from a man.
	So you're so busy trying to push feminism that you're actually hurting women.
	You're not hurting us.
	So you're not messing with me.
	The more men want to switch sides, that's more women for me.
	So I'm not mad.
	They're taking away from what you work for, for what women work for.
	You got men that's taken away from what you got.
	And what if they're doing it on purpose because they can't win in the men category?
	Exactly.
	That's, you know, and they're competitive, but they can't compete with men, so now they want to be women and compete.
	Yes, but I feel like this is also just kind of a demonization of trans people saying that we just absolutely were homophobic.
	If you're not sleeping at them, as homophobic.
	They should have their own category, then, you know?
	I agree.
	That should be that absolutely.
	They should have their own category.
	That sounds like it would have the most amount of sense.
	I'm fine with that.
	Yeah, trans women should compete against trans women.
	But then they're going to say that, oh, we're putting them in a group by themselves and we're not letting them be a part of everybody.
	We could just honestly, or we could just like not accommodate society for like less than 1% of people.
	Like that just seems, I don't know.
	Everybody just be vulnerable.
	Just be yourself.
	I'm just saying.
	Just be yourself.
	Don't make it my problem.
	And I will not give a flying fuck.
	Yeah, and don't make it just this big.
	So let's go back to dating.
	Let's go back to dating.
	We talked about the sports thing really.
	We talked about the sports thing.
	But so, again, I'd like some engagement here on this question.
	So the position here is, is that you guys think that it would be straight for us, I hate this term, cis male, to date a transgender woman.
	You think it's straight?
	If he views that relationship as straight, then yeah, that's his relationship.
	But like, so pointing, I guess going to you, you're a lesbian woman, right?
	If I dictated to you what your sexuality meant, would you object to that?
	If I was like, you know what?
	You're a lesbian woman, but would you date a transgender woman?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so you would.
	Why did you laugh at that?
	Because I was like, you would date a transgender woman and you would still be a lesbian.
	With the penis.
	Hold on.
	Yes.
	Wait.
	No.
	So the transgender woman.
	This is actually really interesting to have a lesbian here.
	But for this question.
	So would you still be a lesbian?
	Like, you're a lesbian.
	You would date a transgender woman, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	This transgender woman has a penis.
	And you were allowing the penis to enter inside of you.
	You were having, you're giving the penis BJ blowies, blowjobbies.
	Are you still a lesbian?
	Okay.
	Well, the question originally was just would I date a transgender woman?
	Yes, we're circling back to that.
	But it would have to be a transgender woman who already went through surgery.
	Oh, yeah.
	So is it, but you said it would be straight for a cis male to have sex with a transgender woman who still has a penis.
	Yeah.
	But so why would you not still be a lesbian?
	Because I don't want penetration.
	Doesn't matter.
	You would still be a lesbian if you allowed the transgender penis to enter inside of you, would you not?
	Because that's a woman.
	Yeah, I just don't personally want that.
	You don't personally, sure, but here let me ask you a question.
	If you saw that, if you saw a lesbian woman being penetrated by a penis, would you question if she's actually a lesbian?
	No, I wouldn't.
	Is it a lesbian sex act to be penetrated by a penis?
	I mean, lesbians use toys all the time.
	No, but it's a transgender woman.
	So is it a lesbian sex act for a cis lesbian?
	I think that's cis lesbian woman to be penetrated by a transgender woman's penis.
	Is that a lesbian sex act?
	Yeah, she's still a lesbian.
	Well, if she's trans, then I'm assuming she would also be female presenting, right?
	She's can't be crazy.
	Okay, so she's got fake kitties.
	She still identifies as she's dressing in that way.
	She's taking hormones, but she, this transgender woman, the transgender woman still has a functional penis.
	Yeah, it's still a lesbian.
	So if you had sexual intercourse with a transgender woman and the entailment of that would, I know you don't want it, but like for the sake of argument, you had penetrative sex with this transgender woman's penis.
	That's still a lesbian sex act.
	Still a lesbian.
	Well, no, I'll grant that you're still a lesbian, but is it still a lesbian act?
	Still a lesbian sex act.
	I mean, in order for, I mean, the logic, while flawed, I mean, you're consistent, at least.
	I mean, because if it was, let's say we're in a heterosexual relation.
	Not we, but just me and a man, right?
	We're in a heterosexual relationship.
	Let's just say that the man liked anal penetration because it's pleasurable.
	Does that make him not?
	I mean, you're not penetrating.
	You don't have a penis, correct?
	No.
	But with a stronger size.
	I have a strap.
	I don't think that wouldn't be homosexual because you're a biological female.
	It's perhaps like not so common.
	It's probably like a minority of heterosexual men to be, I mean, want to be anally stimulated or whatever.
	I don't think that would be a homosexual act.
	Right, so then why would that be sus?
	It would not be a lesbian act if the person identifies as a woman.
	But the difference, I'm using male, female, you're using man, woman.
	Right, because- Right, but a transgender woman is not female.
	No, but the act is still penetration.
	And I could be penetrated with a toy.
	And this person identifies as a woman, not a man.
	Okay, so if you're having the same situation, your logic is failing here.
	So if you're having lesbian sex with a cis woman and she penetrates you with a dildo, is that heterosexual?
	If I'm having sex.
	I'm using your own logic.
	I'm having sex with a straight woman.
	No, no, no, you.
	No, a gay woman.
	It wouldn't matter.
	Well, it wouldn't matter if she's straight or whatever.
	You're having sex with a lesbian woman, but she's penetrating you in some capacity.
	Is that heterosexual sex?
	No, it's still straight sex.
	I mean, sorry, lesbian.
	Right.
	So as a woman, if you, I mean, I don't, it's sus or whatever, but like, if you're penetrating your male, your male partner as a woman, it's not homosexual because you're female.
	Yeah, still straight sex because I, in this case, I identify as straight.
	He identifies as straight.
	Straight.
	You don't get penetrated by no toys.
	Look, it would be sus.
	Technically, it wouldn't be, it would not be homosexual if your girlfriend like stick her stuck her finger up.
	So I can't even.
	Whatever.
	I don't even want to fucking talk about that.
	But yeah, it would not be homosexual if your girlfriend stuck her thumb up your butt.
	What the fuck?
	Anyways.
	So wait.
	As a lesbian woman, you date a transgender woman.
	The transgender woman still has a penis.
	You suck the dick of the transgender woman.
	Are you still a lesbian?
	I'd still be a lesbian.
	Is it a.
	I don't even believe it should you be saying that.
	There's no way that you're not.
	I can't even.
	It's a woman.
	You just wanna be a woman.
	I'm just really confused.
	I'm so far confused.
	I don't even know what's happening.
	I am confused.
	I'm confused.
	You're confused.
	I'm not going to say it.
	It's a woman.
	It's a transgender woman.
	You just said it.
	I don't know what you've been through, but I'm praying for you.
	Okay.
	And I know that if I was talking to a gay girl and they said that, I would not date them because I'd be like, I don't know if you, like, I don't know, but that's just me.
	Gay girls, don't think.
	Final thing on this, then we're going to do the roast, then it's over.
	The show's over.
	This is, by the way, our longest show ever.
	Congratulations.
	I know I looked at it.
	I said, we were putting in one.
	Word, this is crazy.
	What time is it right now?
	Fucking insane.
	So, okay.
	I will ask one more time, and then I promise I'll move this on and we're going to wrap up the show.
	Okay.
	Wait, are we at nine hours?
	It's almost at 10 hours.
	Almost as much.
	Yeah.
	Almost double the time we were supposed to go.
	Hey, look, it was good, though.
	It was good.
	Okay, so I'm tired.
	No, it kind of went by fast.
	So when we say, question for you two.
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	Question for you two.
	When we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship, correct?
	Wait, which question are we on?
	I'm sorry.
	I'll repeat it.
	When we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship, correct?
	Same-sex, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, like two guys, two girls.
	You would agree.
	Yeah, two guys, two girls.
	You would agree that these people have not changed their sex, correct?
	Transgender people have not changed their sex.
	What I said is that with.
	Can you change your sex?
	Can you change your sex?
	You can't change your chromosomes, no.
	Okay, so a transgender woman before the transition at birth was male, correct?
	Okay, and you just acknowledged that they cannot become female, correct?
	Biologically, yes.
	Currently, at least.
	Biologically.
	Okay, sure.
	Maybe in the future, there's some crazy shit.
	Who knows?
	Currently, you cannot change your sex.
	No.
	A male cannot become a female.
	A female cannot become a male.
	Biologically speaking, homosexual means same-sex relationship.
	Homosex.
	It's even in the name.
	Homosexual.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Homosexuality is up to the individual and how they interpret that for themselves.
	No, I'm pretty sure take on dick is gay.
	Two males gay.
	Two males, regardless of whether they get fake titties and they put on some makeup and put on a wig and wear a dress, you're still a male.
	You even conceded to that point.
	Two males having sex and even granting to you the distinction of gender.
	I'll grant to you, even in this example, that the gender has changed.
	The gender used to be man, now it's a woman.
	Two males having sex, how can that be heterosexual?
	Answer me that.
	Okay, what I'm trying to say.
	No, Answer the question.
	I am answering it.
	It can be heterosexual because it literally, it literally definitionally cannot be heterosexual.
	Definitions.
	Okay.
	Definitions change over time.
	No, They aren't adopted.
	You already conceded.
	No, I didn't because I wasn't given the chance to speak.
	Look, you, okay.
	I understand what you're trying to do.
	I don't understand.
	Two males, is two males having sex homosexual.
	If the two guys are identifying as homosexual, then yes.
	Yes, it is.
	You're not going to change.
	So if they, if two men are having sex, identifying as men, then homosexual.
	But saying that they're straight, does that make them straight?
	So if I say homosexual, just because I saw that, I don't do it tomorrow.
	Does that make me straight still?
	Wait, so just to be clear, so okay, essentially you're saying, so yes, a transgender woman, you are agreeing that that's a male, right?
	Biologically born.
	Yes.
	What other category would a male be?
	There's how you present on your outwards present.
	You can't present as a, you can, I suppose granting you can present female or male presenting, how you look on the outside, because I can guarantee a lot of these transgender guys and women, you would never know are transgender.
	I'll even grant that you can look like a male.
	Sure, that's actually really easy to grant.
	It's the same thing as granting that a transgender, that the gender can change.
	Again, don't agree with that, but I'll grant it.
	You're still a male.
	Two males having sex is homosexual.
	A male and a female having sex, heterosexual.
	And it's not like a bad term.
	Two males.
	So you have to be prepared to say we have to completely remove gender from this.
	I want you to say the following statement.
	I will not.
	Just hear me.
	Just listen.
	I'm not calling out my friends.
	I'm not throwing any of my friends under the bus for this fucking podcast.
	Absolutely not.
	No, no.
	Just hear me out.
	Hear me.
	Stop, stop.
	It's not even going to be bad.
	Just hear me out.
	I want you to say, because this is your position, I'm just repeating your position back to you.
	A male and a female having sex is homosexual.
	Or sorry, can be homosexual.
	A male.
	This is your position.
	You have to have a male and a female, regardless of their gender identity.
	I'm just looking at their sex.
	A male and a female, this is your position.
	A male and a female having sex, I want you to tell me that that can be homosexual.
	I mean, it can.
	I would honestly say it was more pansexual than anything, but well, no, but you said it was the genesis of this conversation had to do with straight.
	Straight means heterosexual.
	So I also want to ask you this: can two males having sex is that that can be heterosexual?
	If one of them is presenting as female, yes.
	Hold on.
	Well, I guess that's an entailment.
	Yeah, she isn't it.
	Okay, so two males having sex can be heterosexual.
	If one's wearing a wig.
	Okay.
	Like, I've already stated my position on this.
	I think we've all already stated our position on this.
	I don't know why you're wanting.
	You've already, but you've acknowledged.
	You've acknowledged that homosexual means same sex.
	Heterosexual means opposite sex.
	Okay, my question for you is: are you ever going to date a transgender woman?
	No.
	Okay, cool.
	So what?
	And are you ever going to date a transgender person?
	She said, I'm going to get back over there.
	No, no, I want to know, Mary.
	If you're never.
	No.
	Here's the thing.
	If you have no interest.
	No, If you don't have any interest, then why does it matter?
	Why are we having a bad thing?
	It's a perfect rebuttal to this argument of, well, you shouldn't care.
	You said you cannot get pregnant, correct?
	You cannot get pregnant, correct?
	Yes.
	Like you're just, because of medical reasons, incapable of becoming pregnant.
	With a viable pregnancy, yes.
	I could potentially have a non-viable pregnancy if I wanted to try for one.
	But yes, if we're saying, like, my biologically, what I'm able to do and produce would not ever be a viable pregnancy.
	But you have a healthy pregnancy.
	In addition to that, you would have extreme difficulty even getting pregnant.
	Is that my understanding?
	Yes.
	For this reason, you're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion.
	That's not true because actually, if anyone should have an opinion, because a lot of abortions, the medical term is called abortion for x topic pregnancy or any of the other pregnancies that are non-viable that I would not be able to carry to term.
	It would have to be medically aborted.
	And if it does not, then it would go septic inside of me.
	So yes, if anyone has an opinion, it's people who are going to be fucked over with that.
	Okay, how about this then?
	Because you said there's a slight chance that you can get pregnant.
	You will acknowledge some women are incapable of getting pregnant, right?
	For example, like older women.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	They're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion because they can't get pregnant.
	Do you agree with me?
	They were able to get pregnant at one point.
	No, how about there's a woman biological?
	Okay.
	I'll just use the most extreme example I can just to try to articulate the point here.
	A woman at no point in her life was ever able, because of some genetic defect, she can't even conceive.
	There can be no conception, can't conceive, can never get pregnant.
	For this reason, she can't have an opinion on abortion.
	Agree or disagree?
	Disagree?
	You can always have an opinion on something.
	Okay, cool.
	I can have an opinion on the transgender thing.
	No.
	Even though I would never date one or whatever.
	Especially if we can be labeled transphobic.
	We're not dealing with them.
	We definitely got an idea.
	Checkmate.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But the difference is having an opinion and voicing that opinion out of maybe hate.
	That's assumption.
	CC.
	That's that dangerous shit y'all be doing.
	What did you say?
	So it's out of hate.
	Why even bring this conversation on?
	He never said homophobia was a bad thing.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying he said homophobia was a bad thing.
	No one's saying that.
	And you're trying to strong arm someone into saying what you want.
	She said, as long as it's not coming from the perspective of hate.
	So you just assume that's that rhetoric that get people fucked up, yo.
	That's dangerous rhetoric.
	Just because we don't agree with you, don't mean we hate anybody.
	I don't think she directed it towards you.
	She just said, as long as you don't.
	I'm not even going to defend it.
	I'll get y'all transferred.
	All I'm saying is, I don't hear transparent.
	I could be wrong.
	She said hate.
	She said the word hey.
	You could have said disgruntled.
	You could have said disgusting.
	You said hate.
	That's a strong word with connotations that can get people flagged, docs, all types of stuff.
	But y'all use these words specifically because you have to gaslight the minions in the world.
	Because you can't defend the argument in real time.
	That's why.
	Did you assume it was directed at you?
	Yo, I'm not even talking to you.
	You don't know what the fuck is going on.
	I'm talking about what she talked about.
	What I'm saying is, those type of words is what get people in trouble in real life.
	We do have to rap.
	We do have to rap.
	This has been too long.
	It's already so long.
	It's going to be a 10-hour show.
	This is mind-boggling.
	This is crazy.
	Okay.
	And I got a flaw.
	Okay, so we have to let the TTS.
	Sorry, guys.
	I know you guys have been sending in the TTSs.
	I had to let the conversation go.
	Otherwise, you know.
	So I'm going to let these.
	There's about seven of them.
	Then we'll wrap.
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	Eric, look up Swire syndrome.
	Someone has X Y chromosomes still has a uterus and presence as a woman.
	Would you really call her a man?
	I don't give a fuck.
	I mean, like, I don't know specifically what this is.
	Like, there are absolutely people who are intersex, and I don't deny this, but, like, to say that all transgender people is intersex is just— I never said that they were intersex.
	No, I— No, I know you didn't, but like, people like to point, well, what about intersex people?
	Well, that doesn't deny the fact that there's like the vast majority of transgender women, for example, have like their chromosomes are 100% matching those of a male.
	And they're not intersex.
	There's not like any genetic defect or anything.
	No, but what I'm saying, if it sets a precedent to accept one, then why can't we accept the other?
	Well, intersex is a totally different like category.
	So these are like genetic defects.
	Yes, but what I would also say is that for everyone who says that transgender people shouldn't have gender-affirming care, that also is like legally for intersex people as well.
	Okay, one, I swear I won't linger on this.
	At what age should people should, if you're like transgender and you're like 10 years old, should you get gender-affirming care?
	Gender-affirming care can be classified as anything like growing out your hair.
	So I think that that's a pretty vague argument.
	But do I think that they should puberty blockers?
	Puberty blockers don't do any damage and can be reversed.
	Do I?
	This is literally fake news.
	That's literally fake news.
	I know people who took puberty blockers.
	Literally fake news.
	You cannot reverse puberty.
	How is that?
	That's not reversible.
	How's it reversing?
	Explain to me how it's reversible.
	Go ahead.
	I know two separate people.
	Yeah, they did it.
	They went through it.
	Is it reversible?
	Can they reversed it?
	One of them did decide that that was not for them in high school and stopped taking it.
	They started taking testosterone and were able to live a perfectly normal life afterwards.
	They're probably still.
	Okay, so I would even, we had a detransitioner.
	Are you familiar with this?
	Yes, that's what I said.
	I have one friend who transitioned completely and one friend who detransitioned.
	Yeah, we had, I think three months ago, we had a woman who came on the show.
	She female, transitioned, wanted to be male or wanted to be a man, transitioned, took the testosterone, whatever.
	She was like, this totally changed, totally changed me, not reversible.
	It impacted her voice, her vocal cords.
	That's not reversible.
	It impacted something like hair growth, a couple other things.
	I don't want to speak for her.
	If you'd want to have a conversation with her, we could have her on too.
	That would be but she can tell she's a detransitioner.
	She can tell you herself, it's not reversible.
	What age do I think that children should be able to start taking medication?
	Sure.
	Honestly, I would say the age of like medical consent in some like states.
	So okay, so should what about a 10-year-old?
	Can they start taking or how about 13?
	Can they start taking like puberty blockers?
	I would wait till my child, if that, if it was my child, I would just what about not your child, a trans child?
	Well, I'm not their parent.
	And I think this also goes, this goes.
	You can pass laws.
	Let's say you can pass laws.
	What age would you allow it to be?
	I would, I don't know.
	I would do it on a situational.
	I would feel like I would need to have a lot of people.
	Oh, so okay, you would deny.
	No, no, First of all, I think I would need to have all of the information.
	If I was making a law, I would need to have all the information in front of me to make a very good idea.
	Okay, if it was your child, your child, your 14-year-old comes to you and is like, hey, mom, I think I'm a woman.
	Like, would you?
	What I would do with them is I would, you know, thank them for coming to me and sharing that with me.
	We could try out some things.
	We could try out multiple different methods beforehand.
	We could see, you know, let's try growing your hair out a little bit, seeing how you feel with that.
	They do that.
	Yeah, yes.
	They do that, but they're like, mom, I don't want to go through puberty as a male because then like when I'm an adult, that's going to be like I'm going to face, I'm not going to align with my gender identity.
	I want to start, I want to prevent going through male puberty.
	I would say that that's a really hard call for a parent to make.
	It's a hard call.
	What's your call?
	You have to make it.
	Yeah, if I had to make a call, I would try and get them to wait a little bit longer so we could make sure that it was a very informed decision.
	Okay, sure.
	Your 12-year-old comes to you.
	Yeah.
	And you're like, well, let's wait two years.
	And then they wait two years.
	They do all the like, you know, growing the hair out, maybe dressing a different way.
	And then they come to you two years later and they're like, yeah, I still feel this way.
	I would like to get the drugs or whatever.
	I would say that I would start them if they, after two years, still felt the same exact way, I would allow them to take maybe like us, like a low dose of something.
	What if you go see a doctor and the doctor's like, well, this is the dose that's going to be necessary.
	And this is an expert.
	And I'm assuming you're going to defer on this expert.
	And this person's like, oh, we have to get this person gender-affirming care.
	And this is going to require like this dosage.
	Okay.
	Are you going to be like, no?
	No, if the doctor said that this is what I would trust a medical profession, yes.
	A medical professional.
	Okay, sure.
	That being said, you would give your 14-year-old son puberty blockers.
	Yes, but I would not allow them to go through like, you know, a full bottom or top surgery until they were 18.
	But having blockers until they're 18 gives them some time.
	And if they change their mind part of the way through, then you can stop the blockers.
	And then we could get them.
	It's not reversible, though.
	You can give them testosterone, and there are other treatment plans available.
	I've seen it in my friend.
	He successfully re-transitioned.
	I've seen that.
	Almost.
	For my own.
	Huh?
	How long is he taking these puberty blockers before you say, I don't want it no more?
	How long has he taken them?
	Like 12 to 16.
	Should a, let me ask you this.
	Should a 10-year-old be allowed to get a tattoo?
	I mean, I wouldn't give my 10-year-old a tattoo.
	Your 10-year-old comes to you and says, I wouldn't have to do that.
	I would make him wait on that tattoo for two years, the same way that this city is.
	So you'd let your 12-year-old.
	If it was like, I don't know, like a little fucking star or something, if they really wanted it, like, I don't know if they're fucking.
	I mean, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I probably wouldn't.
	I'm not going to arm sleeve.
	How about that?
	No, there's compromise.
	Not everything is black and white.
	But you would let them get like.
	Oh, my God.
	No, I literally never said that we would get any appendage.
	You'd let your 12-year-old get a tattoo.
	If it was like a tiny, tiny tattoo.
	No, not.
	How about, okay, he's not going to get a face tattoo.
	No, I wouldn't let my 12-year-old get one.
	I would say if he was 12 and he came to me and he was like, I really want a tattoo.
	I'd be like, okay, let's wait some time.
	Then his 14-year-olds.
	He would say 12.
	No, we're talking about different ages here.
	If we're talking about the same exact ages, I feel like I would let my 14-year-old, if they thought on that tattoo and it was something small and manageable and we talked and decided that, okay, we'll compromise and do this.
	If in two years from now you still want that tiny little star tattoo, I'll let you get it.
	I think things are about compromise.
	You can get a tattoo removed.
	You don't compromise on children.
	You've got to be a parent.
	I'm a parent.
	Here, when it comes to, and you've got a parent.
	So like when it comes to education.
	When it comes to parenting.
	Compromising is bad.
	You do realize.
	No, no, no, no.
	You don't.
	Okay.
	You do realize as a parent, you have authority and responsibility over your children, and you can just say, the only justification you need to say no to your child is because I said so.
	I don't agree with that.
	I don't need to justify.
	No.
	No success.
	You don't do something because I said so.
	I don't need to tell you why.
	You're going to listen to me.
	That's it.
	Well, my parents used that exact argument with me and my brothers, and it did not work out well for them.
	So what do you mean you said?
	I don't mean it was wrong.
	That means y'all was rebellious.
	Yeah, that means you guys were rebellious.
	If you're telling someone that they can't have something, they're going to want to do it.
	What were they trying to prevent you?
	What were they trying to prevent you from doing?
	Like, pretty much anything.
	What do you mean?
	Like, that was anytime I asked my parents.
	Please don't adopt it.
	I'm sorry, but please don't adopt.
	Okay, here's the thing: you're putting these like hypothetical situations that I don't think that I would run into.
	I don't think my child is going to be begging me every single morning and night, noon, and night for a tattoo.
	But they'll beg you to get their balls muted.
	I told you, I told you I would.
	I'm just getting them muted.
	Which means the I said cut off.
	I said muted.
	Stop the process.
	You are muted.
	They're still going to be there.
	That's not a thing.
	They're still going to be there.
	That's crazy, yo.
	Well, I do think you can chemically castrate, right?
	Isn't that, I don't know the precise details, but you can chemically castrate yourself.
	And I think like taking estrogen as a woman, as a man might be a man.
	I'm not going to be a person.
	I'm not too tough.
	I don't know.
	You know what?
	Actually, I take the tattoo thing back now that I've, now that I've thought about it, I take the tattoo thing back.
	I do.
	And the reason for that is, is a tattoo is not part of someone's identity.
	And a child, you're right, probably should not be getting a tattoo at age 14.
	But I actually have met people who have gotten tattoos at age 14 with their parents' permission.
	I don't judge their parents' permission.
	So just to be clear, so in my worldview, I actually think that getting a tattoo, like a child getting a tattoo, would be actually much more benign than undergoing, like, than taking puberty blockers.
	But huberty blockers can be replaced.
	No, they literally can't.
	They can be stopped, and you can take other hormones to replace.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If I, current day, took estrogen for the next three years, and I'm not going to go through puberty at all.
	If I took estrogen for three years and then I then go and take testosterone to make up for it for three years, you don't think that that's going to have, even as somebody who's already gone through puberty, you don't think that's going to have significant ramifications on my health.
	I honestly don't know.
	I'm not a medical professional.
	Why else would you take these drugs if not to affirm some sort of change?
	Yes, you're trying to affect some sort of change.
	Let me ask you.
	You're actually, you're trying to create.
	So if I took stabilization, I'm already a bit overweight.
	I need to lose a bit of weight.
	I already got some titties going, right?
	But, Joe, but like, if I took estrogen, I would start like proper developing some titties, right?
	And so do you think that they would disappear once I get off?
	Like, that shit's permanent, son.
	You would get that removed by surgery.
	That's not a problem.
	Yeah, that's not, like, that requires surgical intervention then to fix.
	But it can still be fixed.
	But it didn't mean it's not natural.
	That means it's man-made.
	It's synthetic.
	It's not real.
	A lot of things are man-made.
	Yeah, and a lot of things are fucking the world up because of that.
	My goodness.
	The diet in your clothing is man-made.
	You're 10 hours deep on this right now.
	I got a two-hour five-year-old.
	You're never going to get forever.
	It's just, it's crazy to me.
	Like, yes to puberty blockers, but no to the tattoo, which seems way less like.
	Because one someone's identity and how they view themselves.
	And also, I would have to live with it on my conscience either way, right?
	Either way, as a parent, if your child comes to you crying and begging you for something because they don't.
	You give in?
	No, You would give in.
	No, no, no.
	Can I finish?
	Begging you that they don't feel like human in their own skin and you say no and then they kill themselves, you would feel responsible for saying no.
	Let me ask you.
	And if you say yes, then you would feel responsible if they decide to detransition.
	So you're fucked either way.
	Let me ask you a question.
	No, you're not.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, you basically made the argument that I was about to make, but like, let's say they get these puberty blockers and then they regret it later on in life and then they self-delete themselves because of the regret that they feel over the mistake they made that you as a parent allowed.
	I mean, so it can go both ways.
	It can go both ways.
	Right.
	But wouldn't it make sense then to err on the side of how about you wait until you're 18 and then look, you're legally an adult.
	You can be, you're emancipated.
	You can't, you can't undo the puberty.
	You can't undo.
	The same can be applied to detransitioners.
	You can't undo.
	It's easier that way than it is to try and because for men, they'd have to go and get lots of bone shaving surgeries because of the puberty, where that wouldn't be required.
	You know, some skin removal, some fat removal, breast tissue, that's different than shaving off parts of your fucking way more brainstorming.
	It's weird and unnatural.
	It's all feminine.
	What are you talking about?
	Have you seen a feminization surgery for a men?
	It's extremely painful.
	And that would be.
	Which is why we shouldn't do it.
	Which is making our point.
	It's all extremely painful because it's not natural.
	You're not supposed to be getting cut on to change your gender.
	Just because somebody brought it up don't mean it's fucking shit.
	No, I'm not talking about bottom surgery.
	I'm talking about cuttings.
	What are you fucking doing?
	And feminization can be avoided with blockers.
	We agree to dish the hell agree.
	Yes, at least it's two days later.
	Go on.
	I got two hours.
	Yeah, we're going to wrap it.
	Okay, guys.
	Let's see here.
	Oh boy, who are we going to raid?
	We're going to.
	Okay, on Twitch, we're going to raid Ampy.
	Let's see here.
	Okay, we're all caught up on all that.
	This is one of the wildest panels.
	It was good.
	Like, it was a really interesting conversation.
	Super interesting conversation.
	And I just want to, like, I know I disagree with some of you here.
	There's no bad blood at all.
	It makes for an interesting conversation.
	I have no ill will towards it, even if it got heated in certain moments.
	Those of you who disagreed, I actually appreciate that you disagreed.
	I think conversations like this are necessary.
	You know, if we just go in our separate bubbles, never have conversations, it just get things get very polarized.
	So I think conversations like this are important.
	I want to thank you, want to thank you, want to thank any of you guys who had a disagreement with me.
	Take none of it personally whatsoever.
	You guys were super dope.
	You made for an awesome, entertaining, fun, lively show.
	So thank you guys so much.
	Let me just get this wrapped up here.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	GG.
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	Was completely exalted.
	And I didn't do wrath.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Make it stop.
	Hold on.
	That's not a nut.
	Guys, like the video, please, on your way out.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Literally, you guys were fantastic.
	This was one of the best panels we've had in a very long time.
	I appreciate you guys staying late.
	I know this was a long show, so I do want to thank you guys for that.
	any girls who want to be on the show you can dm out whatever on instagram if you can make it sound barbara uh let's pull up the we're gonna raid ampi here He's playing World of Warcraft.
	Wait, he's on retail?
	Oh, there he is.
	I have like stats.
	All right.
	I'm going to send it here in a sec.
	Guys, thank you for watching over there on Twitch.
	Thank you guys for watching over there.
	It's actually not that crazy because.
	Can you lower the volume?
	I raid logged on this Hunter all through Wrath, pretty much.
	Guys, he's playing.
	It looks like he was playing hard.
	Like, most of my plate is from Classic.
	Okay.
	Yeah, see?
	I have 252 days on this character and only 25 in Wrath of the Lich King.
	Oh, he might be ending his stream soon.
	I'll raid him, nevertheless.
	That's okay, guys.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Tell him.
	90% of my time on this character was out.
	I hope you guys have a good night on photos.
	I'm sending that over now.
	Oh, I should have said, tell him the, like, whatever.
	On, uh, 250 is a lot.
	250 days.
	Is it not a lot for 20 years?
	This is five years.
	What is this?
	Yo, whatever with the raid.
	Welcome in, guys.
	I was just going through my character.
	This is a really.
	This is my classic character.
	All right.
	All right.
	There it is.
	There it is.
	All right, guys.
	Like the video on your way out.
	Let me just double check.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	We're all good on chat.
	All right, guys.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	We'll see you guys on Tuesday.

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