Whatever Podcast - WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS!

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WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS! | Dating Talk #214

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	The disclaimer: the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel.
	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
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	Hi, I'm Callie.
	I'm 26.
	I'm a fire performer, and I'm also a mom and a personal trainer.
	And I'm from Southern California.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What's a fire performer?
	I perform with fire props for events like parties.
	I've done it for like album release parties for musicians.
	It really just depends.
	I still feel like I don't actually know what a fire performer is.
	You know, fire breathing?
	Like people who breathe fire?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you do that, right?
	Yeah, I do that in different props.
	There's so many.
	So, yeah.
	Like in the circus, like the fire, the guys in the circus who blows up.
	That's how we met, actually, in the circus.
	Yeah, that's how I get it.
	The human circus.
	Okay.
	As opposed to the animal circus.
	Oh, yeah.
	They don't combine.
	They're not combined.
	Yeah.
	It was a joke.
	I thought it was.
	Oh, okay.
	Huh.
	So, and you also describe yourself as a professional hot girl shapeshifter.
	What does that mean?
	I mean, I make a living off being a fire performer.
	People give me money because I'm entertaining and they want to look at me and watch me do fire.
	So I'm a professional hot girl.
	Shapeshifter.
	What's a shapeshifter?
	I mean, I wear wigs sometimes, you know, just depending on the vibe.
	So I feel like, you know, women are shapeshifters.
	How so?
	Like, we could change our looks whenever we want for funsies.
	For funsies?
	Yeah.
	Like, do you mean trans stuff or like shapeshifting?
	I feel like they.
	No.
	Oh.
	I just mean like transparent.
	That would be shapeshifting.
	That's a good name for transgender person.
	Huh?
	Because you're like.
	Yeah, I prefer Decepticon.
	Decepticon.
	That's a good one.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then also, what are your pronouns?
	You put your pronouns in your IG, so what are your pronouns?
	She, her.
	What do you feel, really quick, and we'll get to the rest of the intros.
	Do you know AOC?
	I don't know what that means.
	Oh, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.
	She's a Democratic senator?
	She's a representative?
	She's in the House of Reps, yeah.
	You don't know who that is?
	I don't follow politics.
	Oh, she, well, she's a Democrat, and she recently took her pronouns out of her Twitter, Twitter, X, bio.
	And they were all angry.
	People were very upset on that side.
	I mean, I'm definitely a cis woman.
	I'm a woman, born a woman, in a woman's body.
	Okay.
	For the record.
	Thanks too.
	My pronouns are we, us.
	Okay, what about you?
	Hi, I'm Bridget Machado.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I'm from Southern California.
	I'm a full-time student, and I go to Coastline Community College studying public health science.
	Okay, going back to you really quick.
	Any schooling?
	High school.
	College?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hello.
	My name is Amelia Davis, and I'm 23 years old.
	I consider myself an entrepreneur.
	I'm also a model, a jeweler, and currently I'm studying to become an RN, a certified MA as well.
	And yeah, right now I'm just living in LA.
	I moved there from Orange County and I'm originally from Mexico.
	What's the nature of your entrepreneurship?
	The nature is basically I do everything.
	It comes to like owning my own business as a jeweler and in the entertainment industry as a model.
	And yeah, anything I can do, I'll do.
	When you say you're a jeweler, I am passingly familiar with the craft of jewelry making.
	I have a friend of mine who did it for many years.
	Do you actually make jewelry or do you just sell it?
	So we source natural gems and diamonds to jewelry stores that are already established.
	So they go ahead and use my gemstones that are GIA certified.
	And as well, as a personal jeweler, if you want something custom, like a Cuban link or like a chain with certain details.
	Personally, do you personally like?
	Oh, no, my business partner, my business partner is the one who makes the jewelry, but I'm the one who is the owner of the business.
	I see.
	Okay, thank you.
	All right.
	And school?
	Oh, yes.
	I go to Saddleback and I'm studying to become an RN.
	Got it.
	Hopefully, I can transfer UCI after that.
	You don't have your bachelor's yet?
	Not yet, but I will.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hello, everyone.
	My name is Gina Prada.
	I'm a certified personal trainer, and I'm 21.
	All right, welcome.
	School?
	Any school?
	Yeah, I went to International Sports Science Association.
	And you got your training?
	Bachelor's or whatever?
	No, I just got certified for training.
	So I'm currently going to go back into school probably for nursing, but I'm still weighing out my options because I don't really know if I want to go into nursing.
	So I'm still getting all my income from just training right now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Emily.
	I'm 22 years old from Orange County.
	I'm a bud tender, but also a singer-songwriter.
	And I just graduated from Long Beach State with a bachelor's in psychology.
	In psychology, okay.
	All right.
	And what do you do what you want to do with that?
	Yeah, so I'm planning to get my master's or certifications to pursue psychedelic assisted psychotherapy.
	So like, what is it, ketamine or whatever?
	Psilocybin, NDMA, yeah, all the above.
	All right.
	And you're a singer?
	Singer song ready?
	Yeah, so I'm all about healing, whether it's through music or like spirituality or through urban medicine.
	I am.
	Let's hear something.
	Hear what?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Can you add the words for me before you sing it?
	Can you add the word journey somewhere, whatever you sing?
	Journey.
	Like healing journey, healing journey.
	Yeah.
	You want me to freestyle right now?
	Yeah.
	I was expecting song requests.
	Do you know a song with the word journey in it?
	Journey.
	Yeah, you sang Journey.
	You know the band Journey?
	Don't stop believing.
	Does that sound right?
	Yeah, near near.
	That's the only journey I know.
	Love Steve Perry.
	Yeah.
	I won't sing none of my music right now, but if you want to check that out, do you write any of your own music?
	I write all my own music.
	Okay, let's hear something.
	Okay.
	Always acting like this the last time, but you always change my mind.
	Just one last time, go through it all again.
	Don't want this shit to end.
	On and out relationships.
	There you have it.
	I'm healed.
	I'm healed.
	What about you?
	Oh, hi.
	My name is Catalina.
	I'm 28 years old.
	I am from Los Angeles, California, currently of a month.
	I own three different companies.
	I own an event company called Divergent Events.
	I own a photography company, so I do photography, and I'm a porn producer.
	When you say divergent, so you own an event company that's called Divergent Events.
	In which way are your events divergent?
	So I like to think that my event's completely different than a lot of events.
	So I basically a third party that gets, I would say, in a venue for the girls to work with photographers in a safe space where they don't feel like they're taken advantage of and they can grow in their field of work.
	This is being a model and actress, I've definitely been taken advantage of.
	And is this, you primarily work with people in the adult industry?
	Not at this moment, but I have created a couple pornos, like produced them.
	And you're in them, correct?
	No, no, no, I'm not in them.
	I hired out.
	You're a pornographer.
	Well, I direct the films.
	Oh, but you're not.
	No, you have an OnlyFans, correct?
	I don't even use it.
	I just put it up there just for the views.
	I don't even, I post what I have on Instagram on there.
	It's not like nothing really provocative.
	But you have distributed nude photographs of yourself on the internet.
	Is that correct?
	I guess so, yeah.
	Okay.
	I used to be a porn star.
	Okay.
	Oh, you used to be a porn star?
	Yeah.
	About five years ago.
	So you were working in the traditional porn industry?
	Yeah, I've been in every industry you can think of.
	I'm in main films.
	I'm in.
	The goat milk industry?
	Milk?
	Wait, I'm so confused.
	What does that mean?
	You said you've been in like every single industry, so I don't know how to say that.
	Entertainment industry.
	Oh, entertainment.
	So except for the music, except for the music, except for the music industry, I don't have like, I don't think I have music talent going on there.
	So just the mainstream movie industry.
	When you were doing the adult content like five years ago or whatever, what was the, I guess, nature of the productions you were in?
	Was it solo content, BG content?
	Like, yeah, BG, like Purvy City, Naughty America, like simple.
	Have you like orgy stuff?
	No, nothing crazy.
	Threesomes?
	I only did like maybe like six films, maybe.
	Six total.
	So I never really got, and then I switched over into the mainstream industry.
	So, how many BG scenes did you do?
	They mostly put me in like deep-throating stuff, like not BG.
	Flow jobs.
	That would still be BG.
	Isn't that when a guy puts his penis on a woman?
	Well, boy girl, BG.
	Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
	No, you're right.
	Unless it's like no, I'm not, I'm straight shit.
	I'm not about the.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you did a couple BG scenes with men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Tanya.
	I'm 38 and I'm from New York.
	And I am a teacher, ESL teacher.
	English as a second language.
	All right.
	Cool.
	School?
	Any school?
	A bachelor's degree in business.
	All right.
	And then any schooling for you?
	No.
	No, I'm pretty successful with all that.
	Okay, you didn't go to college at all?
	Okay.
	No, actually, I have like a, I have a couple semesters and I never really went back.
	All right.
	Deborah, what about you?
	Hi.
	Good to be back, Brian.
	Welcome back.
	In a minute.
	Welcome back.
	Hey, I'm Deborah Leia.
	I'm from New York City.
	I'm 24 years old, and I have a bachelor's degree in government and politics.
	And my full-time occupation is political influencing, political commentary on the news.
	All right.
	Welcome, welcome.
	And you were on one of our most viewed podcasts, the Gorlock episode.
	That was like a year and a half ago.
	So welcome back.
	Welcome back.
	Brianna.
	Less surprises this time.
	We didn't find that out until three or four hours into the show.
	What happened?
	Somebody put like a.
	I was asking.
	No, that was different.
	I also got Zinned on the show last time.
	I blame you.
	Blame me.
	Wasn't it?
	It was Chase, but you yelled at me for choking.
	You're like, Deborah, shut up.
	Why are you screaming?
	I'm like, help.
	Call the police.
	Yeah, you, anyways, whatever.
	So, okay.
	I did clear cups this time.
	So I'm watching you.
	Clear cups.
	No one around me.
	Well, I didn't.
	Chase, I don't know, must have put his, like, spit out his thing, and then you took a sip of.
	And then you stole his cup.
	No, he spit it into my cup.
	You stole his cup.
	Thinking it was my cup.
	You stole his spit cup.
	Yeah, blame the woman.
	Blame the woman.
	That's my job.
	A nicotine patch that people keep in their mouth and suck on it.
	And you like chew.
	Wait, was it actually a Zin or was it?
	It was a Zin.
	It was a Chew.
	You're lucky.
	It wasn't Chew.
	I thought someone spit in my cup at first.
	I was like, guys, there's something thick.
	Ooh, no.
	And it was a really traumatic experience.
	I'm impressed I'm even back here today.
	Traumatic.
	You haven't lived until you've been at a party and you've been drunk and you reached over and grabbed somebody's chew spit cup by accident.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Or a chemical cycle?
	That's not what happened to me.
	I like Slayer under Can and my Coke, and I almost like drink out of it until I felt the button on my leg.
	I was like, oh my God, this is not it.
	Watch your cups, everybody.
	We need the cup protectors from now on.
	All right.
	So, anyways, Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, political satirist.
	I enjoy doing conversations, debates of all types, and I'm glad to have this conversation with you girls today.
	All right.
	So going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, married, whatever it is?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm in the process of getting divorced.
	That was my longest relationship, five years.
	Yeah.
	Single.
	So how long have you guys been separated?
	Four months.
	All right.
	Have you dated since then?
	I've talked to a couple people, but I mean, nothing really profound.
	Feel like I'm more interested in getting divorced before I'm ready to go into another relationship.
	Is it an open marriage?
	We were polyamorous.
	So, under that blanket.
	Who wanted the polyamorous aspect of the relationship, and did it start that way?
	So, I was the one that petitioned for polyamory.
	It didn't start that way, but prior to that, my previous two relationships were polyamorous relationships.
	When we got together, it was shortly after I had been sexually assaulted by a man.
	So, I wasn't in a position to be with really more than one person, but with a lot of therapy and help, I remembered who I was.
	And also, I'm queer as fuck.
	So, wait, queer as fuck?
	As fuck.
	As fuck.
	Okay.
	What's the difference between queer and then queer as fuck?
	I would say I lean more towards being queer than like towards men.
	What's the difference between polyamorous and an open relationship?
	I mean, they're essentially the same thing.
	An open relationship is, you know, you have other romantic and sexual partners.
	Polyamorous is you actually are having other relationships.
	So it's like a defined relationship, like boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, and you love them.
	So it's more than just like sexual.
	Were you sleeping with, were you sleeping with other men as well as women, though?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So during the course of your marriage, you were sleeping with other people, your boyfriend, husband.
	He was also sleeping with other people.
	Okay.
	But you asked to open it up.
	Was there any pushback initially?
	I mean, initially, yes, because he was asking, you know, kind of like, how did this come about?
	And, you know, when I explained, like, well, this is who I was.
	He said, well, I thought that when we got together, it was just going to be us.
	But ultimately, like, he wanted it too.
	And he wanted to experience different people.
	So I was all for it.
	Well, if I'm just curious.
	So if he wanted it, then how come you were the one who brought it up?
	Well, I mean, everything is just a conversation, right?
	A conversation for discussion.
	So if something's not happening and it's like, well, what would this be like?
	Or, you know, like, I'm sure you ask your partner a million questions in a day, like, what do you think about this?
	So, yeah.
	Also, because I am queer, I mean, I wanted to be with women and he isn't.
	Yeah, but you were also with other men, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, that's usually a sticking point for men.
	Generally speaking, I think on the polyamorous front, I've talked to some men who, if they're, you know, their girl or wife or whatever is exclusively with other women, they seem to not mind that nearly as much as if they're with other men.
	That seems to be the like big sticking point, right?
	So I was just curious.
	I mean, I think it's fair if you're, you know, in an open relationship or polyamorous, if you should be allowed to pursue 100% of people that you find attractive.
	You know, and then obviously if someone agrees, you know, to parameters and boundaries in that, that's fine as long as it's ethical.
	We just agreed that it was fine.
	So.
	I just have one more brief question.
	I'll turn it back over to Brian.
	Just wondering your take.
	What is the purpose of getting married if you want to be in a polyamorous relationship?
	I mean, we had a daughter.
	We have a daughter.
	You know, I wanted a family, but I also wanted to continue to be with women.
	And I have a lot of love to give.
	Well, wait, wait, and men, right?
	I don't know, like, it seems like there's such a pivot here.
	It's just like, I just want to be with other women.
	It's like, but no, no.
	Well, I should say men, right?
	Yeah, I guess I should say other people.
	Yeah, other people.
	Okay.
	That makes more sense.
	So, yeah, I'm not like if the purpose was family, right?
	The idea here is you wanted to have a family.
	I don't see why you couldn't do that same exact thing that you were doing absent the marriage.
	I mean, I've just never been in a long-term monogamous relationship personally.
	So, I mean, no shame to people that want to do that.
	I think whatever floats your boat, whatever makes you happy, we just agreed that, you know, that was the relationship structure of our marriage and it was ethical and we were okay with it.
	So, yeah, no, I understand all that.
	I'm just curious as to what the actual purpose of the marriage part is.
	Like, so you could do all of that absent marriage, right?
	Like, you could still have the daughter, you can still have the guy, you can still have the, you know, you could do all that.
	Minus is so I don't actually understand the purpose of the marriage aspect.
	Um, I mean, we wanted to be married, so I think we got married the license part of it, like having a business with your partner.
	Basically, when you get married, it's like a business or a license, you're signing away.
	Yeah, I mean, um, well, he proposed to you, right?
	Yeah, so like you weren't pushing for marriage, he was he just proposed out of the no, I mean, we we talked about it, we talked about, you know, wanting to get married and you know, having children and these things.
	So, I think also for me, I see now in retrospect, I feel like I was just following a relationship escalator.
	You know, society says this is what a relationship is: you meet someone and you guys fall in love and then you get engaged and then you get the house and then you get the dogs and then you get the baby and then you're married, you know.
	Were you Paulie before you got married with this guy?
	Yes.
	Couple questions here.
	Okay, so let's do a bit of a timeline.
	You guys were married for how long?
	Three years.
	And together for five.
	Yes.
	Total.
	Okay, so you met him.
	It started out monogamous.
	Is that correct?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	How soon into the relationship did you want to open it up?
	I would say after a year.
	After one year.
	So this is prior to you guys being married.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And huh?
	Because you said this is who I've always been.
	Did you, had you not disclosed to him during the like that you were Polly?
	No, I mean, I disclosed it.
	I mean, you just asked if there was any pushback and I expressed, you know, there was just, I guess, some confusion on his end.
	Why did you accept monogamy to begin with?
	I mean, that's what happened, right?
	I mean, it wasn't me accepting it.
	I think, you know, you just see someone, you like them, you guys continue seeing each other.
	I'm not really sure what's so crazy about that.
	It's not like.
	Well, how long was it exclusive for?
	You said a year.
	But you're polyamorous.
	Why did you.
	I explained I was sexually assaulted by a man prior to meeting him.
	So I had to go to a lot of therapy for that.
	Oh, he was like, he was like a stable, safe place for you?
	I loved him.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I understand that.
	Yeah, I mean, he helped me through that.
	I think there was like this prior event that happened, which obviously is horrible, right?
	Sorry that that happened to you.
	But were you looking at this guy as kind of a rock, right?
	Or something that was very stable because of this event?
	Because you seem to tie these two events together.
	Well, no, you guys keep asking me specifically, like, you know, why did you decide after a year?
	So I explained I had to go to therapy.
	You know, I had to work on myself.
	I had to become confident again, find my voice, do all these things, and then, you know, remembered who I was.
	Do you think that the therapy assisted in your decision to move to a polyamorous relationship in your marriage?
	No, my therapy didn't decide that.
	No, not decided.
	Did it assist?
	Because you said you were using the therapy to find yourself and get back into who you are, this kind of thing.
	So did the therapy actually assist you into the self-discovery aspect that you are indeed polyamorous?
	Yes.
	Okay, I see.
	But you have been in polyamorous relationships before, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But we just have audio.
	People listening, just audio.
	So if you just shake your head, so you can confirm.
	You just got to say yes, no, whatever.
	All right.
	So what about you?
	I've only been in one relationship and it's been for five years.
	We're still going very strong.
	All right.
	Is it your only relationship?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Relationship five years.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Well, I just broke up with my ex-boyfriend.
	I was with him since I was 17 years old.
	We were together consistently for four years.
	I broke up with him at turned 21 because he was like very toxic, very controlling.
	And so I took a year off and he flew out a girl from Oregon and started living with her.
	And then he started trying to talk to me again to get back together while the girl was still living at his house.
	And I had no idea.
	I thought he was just, we're going to get back together.
	And so, anyways, they ended up breaking up.
	And I ended up coming back to his house and living with him and starting over again.
	And then I just broke up with him recently again at 23.
	How long was the break?
	The break was a year.
	One year.
	Okay.
	One year.
	Who wanted the break?
	I wanted the break.
	He kind of cut my hair.
	Yeah, when I was sleeping.
	And so.
	What?
	Yeah.
	We need more details.
	Yeah, that's not something you just, what do you mean he cut your hair?
	Yeah, so what happened?
	He had very bad mental health issues and very controlling, very, because nobody just freaking cut somebody's hair.
	No.
	And I've been nothing but good to him.
	He was my first relationship since I was 17 years old.
	And before that, my parents never let me date.
	So I was just like perfectly pure, innocent, and I wanted a serious relationship.
	And so I was like the third girl that he had like moved in with.
	He was 20 years old at the time and I was 17, two months before I turned 18, so not that weird.
	And also like older guys, too.
	So yeah, everything was good.
	And fast forward, during the break, when he was living with the girl, I was trying to move on because my man's with somebody else, you know, moving on.
	So I downloaded Hinge, started talking to guys, flirting on Snapchat, sending like cute pictures and stuff like that, you know.
	And so I didn't think about deleting any of my old previous like guys I was talking to.
	And so one day we went out to the bar while we're like still trying to talk and get back together.
	We didn't fire anything.
	It was amazing.
	We went back home.
	He invited friends over and I just got completely blacked out drunk because I felt I felt safe listening.
	It was my safe place since I was 17 years old.
	So I go upstairs.
	I passed out.
	My hair was so long at the time.
	And he somehow got into my phone when I was sleeping.
	And he was on drugs, like not drugs, like blow or whatever, and drinking alcohol.
	And so he was blacked out.
	And he got into my phone and like saw all my previous messages that I was talking to when he was dating that girl.
	And somehow he got really jealous and enraged that I was doing that when he was.
	It makes no sense.
	It's like, as I'm saying, mental illness.
	And so he decided to cut my hair when I was passed out, blacked out drunk.
	How much did he cut?
	He gave me like a little mullet.
	I have like a picture on my phone.
	He like cut the top layer.
	Are you a mullet?
	It's kind of like a mullet.
	He let me like the log my long hair down and like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up.
	That's awesome.
	And yes.
	I was nothing to this man.
	I've been nothing but loyal to this man.
	Bought him a phone, clothes, helped him.
	I was his mechanic monkey because he liked old cars.
	Mechanics.
	He's always the charity.
	I was like, literally.
	He's always the charity cases.
	No, but his dad owns urban construction company and his dad has two yachts, a plane.
	He's like born and raised in Lugunanigal, like rich boy.
	Can I name, put like add his name?
	Because you always need to be careful about this guy.
	Okay, never mind.
	I won't get into that.
	But anyways, yeah, I just went through the ringer.
	I've been through the ringer with this man.
	He was the love of my life.
	First man I've ever loved.
	Hang on, one second, one second.
	So, I mean, you say you're nothing but loyal, but I mean, you dump the guy, right?
	Yeah, because he was controlling and like holding me back and wouldn't let me be who I needed, who I knew I needed to be in my life.
	Well, I mean, but that doesn't sound like nothing but loyal.
	Wait, me or him?
	Bro, Andrew, hold on.
	Are you really defending somebody who cut somebody's hair off in her sleep?
	He cut her hair.
	But this was before he cut the hair, though.
	Wait, well, I'm confused.
	The second time.
	Yeah, the second time we broke up and we got back together the second time.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	And then, though, is that before this happened, before all this happened, you said, well, I'm nothing but loyal.
	This and that.
	It's like, I stand by that.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	If you dumped him, that's not nothing but loyal.
	Yeah, I can't be with the man who cut my hair.
	I don't want to brag to my kids, like, oh, yeah, your dad back in our 20s cut my hair.
	Did you dump him before he cut your hair?
	Yes, because he was controlling and toxic, and I was trying to give him another chance.
	I believe in second chances.
	Okay, but hang on, hang on.
	Let's back up.
	Let's back up.
	I don't understand how you can say, though, well, I can't be with someone to cut my hair.
	It's like, what, you dumped him before he cut your hair?
	I don't, I don't know.
	Wait, Andrew, I gotta, let me just, this is very rare for me to.
	Andrew, are you saying that if you break up with somebody ergo, you are not loyal?
	Like, there's trying to understand the position.
	Did you date someone forever to be loyal to them?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Well, I don't understand.
	What does loyalty mean?
	Not cheating.
	You're not getting on people.
	Don't fuck to them.
	Don't chill out.
	Don't just confidently.
	Play around with other people.
	I'm through one person at a time.
	I can only hear one person at a time.
	Go ahead.
	For me, being loyal is you and your partner are too team-deal.
	You're not bringing any third person.
	You're loyal to each other, love each other, and respect each other.
	And you're not looking for other people to sleep around with.
	Is that not loyalty, girls?
	Yeah, it's true.
	Okay.
	So that's.
	So you say, okay, so he was.
	Not talking to other people.
	Like, not thinking about it.
	He was cheating on you before you dumped him?
	No, he wasn't.
	I've never gone cheated on him.
	I still don't understand.
	Like, if the idea here is.
	He was controlling abusive.
	He was abusive mentally and physically and verbally.
	I get all that.
	I understand.
	But what was he doing which was abusive?
	What's abuse?
	does that mean um mentally like tearing me down um verbally abusing me and physically like what's an example of that Dumb whore for no reason, like, and telling me I'm not going to amount to anything in life.
	And just like, you know, it's trying to tear me down as a person, saying he's the best thing I can get when it's not true.
	And I want to know why you went back.
	Because he was my first love.
	But the way he's treating you is nothing.
	I know, but a lot of people, girls get beat up black and blue and still don't stay with their man.
	Don't go back to your life.
	That was my mistake.
	So I'm not going back the third time.
	You learned.
	I'm learning.
	I learned.
	No, no, no.
	Maybe it took me cutting my hair that I had to learn the hard way.
	I think there's something like domestic violence survivors go back seven or eight times before they either leave or get killed by their person.
	So hopefully thank you for that.
	Yeah, I think that you got out now and your hair looks great and hopefully.
	Yeah, no, it was very traumatic for me because I did love the guy.
	He was, and I was planning on marrying him and we're talking about forever and to settle with somebody and be with somebody forever.
	Like you have to be okay with everything.
	You don't want to find anybody else.
	You're just okay with that person.
	And that's how I felt with him.
	But then after the year, six years, and everything he's been doing to me, I was like, I can't be with somebody like that.
	You should put an air in his shampoo and make him prematurely bald.
	Oh, that's a good idea.
	I should have.
	Probably shouldn't do that.
	But now I'm single, and like I said, I wasted six years of my life.
	Not wasted, it was experience.
	And now I'm trying to gain those six years back and just focus on myself.
	If somebody comes along that meets all my requirements because I'm very picky, if he was very selective, yeah.
	When's the last time you talked to him?
	Last time I talked to him was like, we blocked each other on everything.
	Okay, you've been single for how long?
	For actually, I spoke him with like recently, so like September when I left his house for good.
	So moved to LA?
	Two months ago.
	And moved to LA.
	When's the last time you talked to him?
	During that time.
	You haven't talked to him for two months?
	Okay.
	Last time you saw him in person two months ago, too.
	I was at his house when I was in the house.
	And so the total length of the relationship was six years.
	Six years.
	Since 2018.
	Including the one-year break.
	Is that correct?
	So from 2018 till I turned 21, that was four years consistently.
	And then we had a one-year break and then all together, getting back together.
	We've been with each other like six years, like messing around and like talking.
	So okay.
	There's a lot there.
	There's a lot.
	I'm just gonna get a little rundown right now.
	You broke up with him.
	So you broke up with him the first time?
	Yes, and the second time.
	Okay, and there was a year break.
	But he didn't cheat on me from me breaking up with him.
	He was just like not a good guy.
	And I thought I can like.
	Who went back to who?
	Like, did you reach back out to him?
	We both played the reaching back to each other.
	First, he would call me no color ID, and then I'll ignore him, and then I'll answer it.
	And it was like playing team tag, calling, because then he would call me every day, and then he would stop calling me.
	So I'd be like, why aren't you calling me?
	So then I would call him back.
	And then finally, we started, the girl left back to Oregon.
	And yeah, he started talking again.
	Because I do not want to be the other woman, and I do not.
	All right, you've been single for two months.
	Any other guys in the picture?
	Anyone?
	Well, I have a couple candidates that I think would be good, but at this moment in time, I'm not looking for a relationship.
	When you say a couple candidates, what do you mean?
	Like good, like good guys that I would probably give them a chance to date.
	Have you been on a date with any of these guys?
	No, I haven't.
	I haven't been dating.
	How do you know them?
	Through Instagram and like parties and events that I've seen them at.
	You knew them prior to the breakup with your current or ex-boyfriend?
	No.
	Okay, so recently.
	They all just materialized.
	You have a couple candidates that you've never met, but they only materialized after the breakup.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and they just DM'd you on Instagram.
	How many DMs do you get per day?
	About like 15 to 20, but I'm still not active on like you get 15 to 20 DMs from men per day.
	Oh, from just general people.
	No, I don't from guys?
	Oh, no.
	I don't.
	If it's a spammer in India.
	I get those too.
	I get my hubby be still calling.
	I'm on a dating podcast.
	We're talking about dating.
	Oh, yeah.
	Sorry.
	At least a day, okay, like five guys.
	It's like, seems like there's a romantic interest, essentially.
	Probably them for me, but not me for them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So like they're DMing you.
	They're like, hey, what's up?
	Yeah, I want to go out.
	Want to connect with you?
	Five DMs per day?
	Yeah, at least.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's interesting.
	Really quick, just on that note, who else here?
	How frequent?
	How many DMs do you get per day from men?
	That are like probably hitting on you or whatever?
	It was like a thousand.
	I mean maybe like one a day, if I'm being honest, not really any that much.
	Okay honestly, it just depends like, if I'm active, then obviously, like a lot of people are gonna like slide up, like what are you talking about?
	Yeah like, if you post, like you'll get, like you know, random guys too.
	I've never even seen in my life average average over the course of a year, average like every day, like per day, per day.
	Yeah, if you had average.
	I mean, if I don't post, I'm not getting any slide ups.
	But if I post, like you know, like it could be anything like the past year yeah, but like okay, per day, probably like 300 per month, like five, probably five per day.
	Okay, what about you say like 15 to 20?
	I post pretty often 15 to 20 DMs from men per day.
	Okay, what about you?
	Like no, call me um um um, I would say um without posting, which I don't do very often as much as I should probably.
	Like seven okay, consistent every day, all right, what about you?
	Um, I just you're too far from the market.
	Facebook and Instagram, I don't get any DMs okay Deborah, what about you?
	I don't check my DMs that much.
	I'm sorry everybody, I love you guys, but if you, if you were to, when I do the occasional scroll down to just see if, like I don't know, Elon Musk is like hey, I don't know, you know, on that purpose, business stuff, like I do want to point out that I don't get often like gross DMs from guys.
	I get usually like really nice, like hey, I'd love to take you for dinner, or like I already told my mom about us, like things like that.
	So thankfully they're not sleazy, but I would say probably about like between 20 to 50 a day.
	20 to 50 oh Deborah, from you Brian.
	20 to 50 per day almost.
	I like on Instagram especially, and like Twitter, lately I've been getting like upwards of like 30 to 50 million views a month, so it's been a lot of people who may want to talk to me.
	And you mentioned Elon Musk would.
	If he did slide into your DMs, would you date Elon?
	I would not, unfortunately he's too old for me, but he did repost me on X two weeks ago, so if you want to keep reposting me or give me a Tesla, thank you all.
	Right cool, there you go.
	That's really interesting.
	So it was five, I think five five fifteen no, you're 15 to 20 right, seven snapchat count and then, oh yeah damn, that's a lot too.
	I can't even count.
	Yeah, I mean, this is crazy.
	I mean look, I know that this is the case for a lot of women, but the sexual option, the sexual optionality that like, the average woman gets maybe some of you aren't average, but probably most of you are, no offense, you guys have the same sexual pull as, like A-list celebrities that are male A-list celebrities, Famous musicians, top-tier musicians, professional athletes.
	It's just interesting to know.
	Anyways, moving on with the relationship status, what about you?
	I'm in a committed four-year relationship.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	We actually met in high school in, I think, 11th grade.
	Yeah, 11th grade.
	All right, cool.
	Love story.
	Yeah.
	And that's your longest.
	How long did they love you?
	That's your longest relationship?
	My last relationship.
	Longest.
	My long, it was the same.
	It was four years.
	So you had another four-year relationship.
	Wait, we were like kids.
	So I don't really like counting.
	Who broke up with who in that one?
	I did.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single for the past four months.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	Who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	Was that the one that ended four months ago?
	Okay, why did he break up with you?
	I had like some unhealed trauma from my exes that I brought the baggage into our relationship.
	A lot of trust issues.
	You know, it's two entertainers dating each other, so we had to deal with that.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So you've been single for four months.
	Any rebound or anything like that?
	I'm still trying to work things out with him.
	Like trying to heal for myself, but also like hopefully to attract him back in like a healthier way.
	But amongst that, I've kind of been like seeing other people.
	It's been teaching me some new experiences.
	Do you have a roster currently?
	Of course.
	How big is the roster?
	I like to keep my options, I like quality over quantity.
	So right now, like two.
	Okay, and are you?
	Sorry, what?
	It depends on what for.
	Seriously, like two, but.
	So it's not a roster, it's like a starting five.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We got like exactly.
	Starting six, maybe.
	And have you healed the trauma that was causing you so much trouble?
	Well, the more people I encounter, sometimes it makes me realize like maybe I was the crazy one and like I need to kind of chill out.
	I still need to go therapy.
	When you say you were the crazy one, so what's what conduct were you doing that was crazy?
	Just a girl on her little FBI investigation stuff.
	You know, I didn't like seeing him up under every girl's pictures, liked by so-and-so.
	Or when guys don't want to see me in the club, but their following looks like the entire list of girls from the club.
	So stuff like that.
	I would check his following.
	I would see when it goes up.
	I'd see who he's commenting under.
	I'd check his location.
	Yeah, and I had a lot of time throughout the day.
	We lived together too, so I was like on him for everything.
	I tried to not check his phone for the longest because I knew that's what made me crazy in my past relationship.
	But sometimes a passcode slips into my peripheral and you know, this leads to that.
	And I'm really trying to work on it.
	I know that's some bad things that I need to heal.
	A couple times.
	A few times.
	I think there's bad behavior due to unhealed drama.
	Yeah, from being cheated on in my past and also like going back to them and stuff.
	How soon into the relationship did you start looking at his phone?
	Before we even got into an actual relationship.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like a week in.
	Oh, oh, sorry.
	Looking at his phone.
	Sorry.
	I thought you said his following.
	His following I did early.
	The phone wasn't until like a year into us living together.
	Okay, so how many different times did you check his phone?
	Maybe like twice.
	Because the first time I didn't see anything, I was like, that can't be right.
	So I checked it a second time and I'm like, okay, maybe he is actually clean.
	I think it's a negative feedback loop that this is like a very common thing that people deal with in relationships on the male and female side that when women aren't secure in relationships, it makes them crazy and girls start doing things like that.
	But then also when you do things like that, it pushes away any chance of normalcy.
	And this is just a product of modern dating and like the issues that I think it's the reason that people aren't entering relationships and they're not finding their happy ever after.
	And it's sad.
	And hopefully we can just move past this whole like social media stage.
	Did you tell him that you went through his phone?
	Yeah, I did because I was like, why did you like her entire story highlight?
	You said I didn't have to worry about this coworker.
	I knew y'all were fucking.
	I just went in and he almost moved out and we had to call my parents and talk about it.
	And yeah.
	So you so you went crazy on this guy?
	I tried not to.
	I was like watching him sleep.
	I was like, no, I gotta wake him up.
	I couldn't watch.
	I was ruinating in my thoughts.
	You watched him sleep?
	Because I was like, should I wake him up?
	Like, is it really that big of a deal?
	Yeah.
	Wait, what do you so?
	But why were you watching him sleep?
	No, the base actually hates me if I sleep.
	I'll be dreaming about it.
	Sorry, again.
	I was just deciding whether or not to wake him up.
	Like, should I act down and crash out or no?
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Wake him up for what?
	Because I wanted to know.
	I had been having my suspicions about his shift lead at work.
	He would work like overtime all of a sudden at like a nursery, like a senior caregiving.
	Yeah, for a year.
	So he thought he was working hard.
	So he started taking overtime shifts and started following his coworker on Instagram.
	But you guys live together, so why would you be watching him?
	Couldn't you just talk to him when he before he went to bed?
	I did.
	So I like drove his car and I saw a footprint.
	I thought I saw a footprint in the windshield.
	And I was like, whose footprint is that?
	Like, are y'all fucking on your lunch break or something?
	Like, is this your shift?
	Your mind just keeps on going.
	I literally like measured it because I was like, is this your footprint or is this a female's footprint?
	So I was your lawyer, I'd be like, girl.
	You know?
	I just get myself.
	We're getting into legal territory.
	At what point during all of this did you manage to put the cuckoo back in the clock?
	I'm still working on that.
	So we're okay.
	Yeah, so how early into the relationship were you looking at his following list?
	Like immediately?
	Like the first week.
	Because he's a model.
	Like he's on set with other models.
	He's an aspiring actor.
	I like can't fathom all the female co-stars and stuff he meets on a daily basis.
	Were you guys like exclusive right away, pretty much?
	Pretty much.
	It was kind of the sense that like, oh, I'm telling my guy friends, like, you're my girlfriend and stuff like that.
	And I'm like, okay, let's wait to make it official, but we know we're exclusive.
	How soon did you guys move in with each other?
	After a year of being together.
	Okay, after a year.
	And was that pushed by you or by him?
	My grandpa had passed away, so my mom was going to move back with my grandma.
	And then I just had like a whole house with empty rooms, had to find some roommates.
	So it was kind of like last minute, but it's something that we had planned anyway to move in together.
	Did you charge him rent?
	Yeah.
	Like he ain't about to live rent-free.
	Fair market value?
	We had the master bedroom, so we paid the most like out of the house.
	We split it, yeah.
	All right.
	And let's see.
	So what was his reaction?
	Because you, like you told him, you'd check his phone and then you'd tell him afterwards, right?
	Because you felt guilty or you still wanted to confront him about nothing?
	Well, I mean, he had followed his coworker, let's say, in January 2024.
	So, why did he like all of her entire gym highlight from 2022?
	Little photos of her in her tight little leggings, her booty progress photos.
	He could have liked any other story of maybe like her going out to eat at restaurants or her traveling.
	But no, he specifically only likes the one of her gym highlights.
	Now, had you had a conversation with him prior to this happening that you are uncomfortable with him liking or following?
	Yes.
	Okay, you told, and what did he say to that?
	He said that he would stop.
	He wouldn't do anything that doesn't align with a relationship.
	Okay.
	And then I'd like to investigate a little bit of your conduct in the relationship though.
	So he was totally reasonable?
	As far as doing things publicly, I didn't like when he was commenting like fire emojis under photos of girls in lingerie.
	And I'm like, that doesn't look good reflecting on our relationship.
	You know, you just need to respect our relationship.
	Now, let's, I do, I would like to investigate a bit of your conduct here, though.
	You mentioned that you would be going out to the bars and clubs, correct?
	And would you also do modeling?
	Is that correct?
	More like freelance, not like signs.
	Okay.
	You have your public Instagram though.
	Would you be posting revealing photos on your Instagram?
	Yes, and he would as well.
	Of himself?
	Yeah, like sure.
	I think it's totally different between men and women on this.
	Well, we went around the table and all of you said that you guys get five, 15, 20, you get 15, 20 DMs per day by men.
	Women don't really, at least at the same frequency, slide into men's DMs.
	And in fact, we can test this right now.
	How many DMs do you guys slide into?
	I do it all the time.
	Let's just do how many DMs have you ever seen?
	Hold on.
	How many total DMs have you ever sent to a man on Instagram displaying some sort of romantic, not just one guy that I do?
	So what about you?
	How many DMs have you sent in your entire life?
	That's a tough one.
	I mean, less than five, I'd say.
	Less than five, what about you?
	Just my boyfriend.
	Zero?
	Okay.
	Maybe three.
	Oh, you slid into your boyfriend's DM.
	Well, always, every time he posts, yeah.
	You mean like otherwise?
	That's not how you met, though.
	You didn't slide.
	That's not how you met, correct?
	Oh, initiate.
	No, we met through school.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	How many DMs have you sent out?
	At least, like, maybe three guys I told you.
	Total.
	Okay, what about you?
	Zero.
	Zero?
	How about you?
	How many DMs have you sent?
	Three.
	Three?
	Twelve.
	Twelve?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	None, really.
	Deborah, what about you?
	Damn.
	I believe in getting what you want and asking for what you want.
	I've definitely slid into a handful of men's.
	Yeah, Ryan.
	A handful of men's DMs.
	And one of them worked out.
	I ended up going on dates with him later on in life.
	And I'm not sure.
	How many though?
	How many in total?
	Yeah.
	I don't know how many came to fruition, but like at least 10.
	They did.
	Yeah, no.
	At least 10.
	Okay.
	And then I'm pretty sure.
	I'm a fan of that.
	I'm kind of like that.
	Yeah.
	To be honest, I'd rather go hunt down who I want than have them come to me.
	Like, I like that too.
	But in any case, every single girl here has received orders of magnitude more DMs than you've sent out.
	So this is why, just to explain the differential here, like the amount of sexual pursuit and attention that you guys get as women is totally different.
	So like if you as a girl, you post a revealing photo, that's like actually advertising.
	Whereas when a man does that, posts a revealing photo, like what he posted a shirtless pick.
	Mind you, he's also in a gym.
	He's also a model, correct?
	So that's also, in addition to that, within the purview of his profession, massive differential.
	I do want to point out, though, that like when I have slid into these men's DMs, it's for hopes of like going on a date with them or thinking that they're like a stand-up guy that can maybe be my future husband.
	Whereas the DMs that I receive, I'm sure at least half of them are people who just would want to have sex or things of that nature or just for the sake of like, oh, I took her out stuff.
	So obviously I can't, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to the male followers that are messaging me, but I don't know what their actual intentions are.
	Whereas I know all of those 10 at least have been like genuine relationship intentions.
	I can't say the same for the other ones necessarily.
	Yeah, I mean, I'd be willing to grant to you that it's probably more likely that a man's intentions might more men's intentions might be more casual in nature.
	But I wouldn't be surprised.
	I mean, even you admitted earlier that most of the DMs you have received have been fairly polite.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	And also, just given probably, I assume the men who are interested in you probably lean a bit more conservative, which would indicate to me that they're probably a bit more interested in long-term relationship as opposed to like some soy boy who's just trying to fuck you because that's what soy boys do, I guess.
	I don't know.
	They're not really they don't even get women, soy boys.
	Well, that's probably also true.
	So they get other men.
	But in any case, I do think there's a difference.
	Like if a guy posts a photo on Instagram, it's not going to elicit the same level of attention that a woman posting a revealing photo will receive.
	Post one and let's see, Brian.
	Let's test it.
	I mean, bust the thong out.
	Like the little gym thirst chop, like you guys like to do.
	The borat man feeding.
	It's coming.
	So, okay.
	Going back to you, though, you were, what was it?
	You were posting.
	You were posting revealing photos on Instagram.
	Like photos of me at the beach in a bikini.
	Not like lingerie photos.
	But it's like a girl can't be at the beach.
	A guy can't like his co-workers' Instagram?
	Like you have to.
	That's my way of sliding into guys' DMs.
	That's why I took it as disrespectful.
	What do you mean?
	Because I'll like a guy's story if I think he's looking cute.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	I won't go as far as messaging them.
	So I felt like to him, that was him showing him showing extra love to his coworker that didn't need to be shown when she has already finds you attractive.
	What was that?
	Did you go into bars and clubs?
	Yeah, because promoters like pay me.
	They like bring out girls and they'll pay you.
	So it's a money opportunity for you.
	So if you live in Los Angeles, right?
	Orange County.
	Okay, you're close enough.
	So if somebody like a Hey, can you guys shut the fuck up, please?
	Thank you.
	Guys, we told you before the show, you can't be doing sidebar conversations.
	What?
	We can't get up to get something.
	No, you can go to the bathroom.
	That's what I was asking here because I'm like falling asleep.
	I need some energy.
	That's what I was asking.
	Like one at a time.
	Yeah, there's energy shots back there, but kindly don't speak as instructed.
	I just didn't know if we could get up.
	Yeah, you can get up.
	That's totally fine.
	Okay.
	You can use the bathroom.
	You can get an energy shot.
	Before I was interrupted, so you said because you're, do you want to get up?
	Yeah, I'll get up in a second.
	All right.
	So you were saying that you go out to the bars and clubs because you were being paid, right?
	So if a porn producer reached out to you and offered to pay you to shoot a porn, wouldn't your boyfriend have an issue with that?
	Okay, it's different though.
	I'm getting paid to sit in a section, like a secluded VIP section, where I'm not even on the dance floor or at the bar with guys.
	I'm literally getting drinks to my table.
	I'm in a section with just me and my girls.
	They'd rather me bring girls out to the club than guys.
	So it's not like I'm surrounded by guys.
	That's a club promoter.
	They want to have girls in the club.
	How do they make money at the club?
	Well, the girls bring the guys in, and the guys pay for sections and bottles and drinks at the club.
	Okay, let's examine that.
	Why do they even pay to have women show up at these clubs?
	It's for appeal.
	Appeal to who?
	To their audience.
	It could be ladies spending money on bottles.
	So women go to bars to hit on other women?
	Are you going to where you're going to be?
	I've been hit on by women at bars.
	Yeah.
	You also get hit on by men at bars?
	Yes.
	But I keep it respectful because I'm in a relationship.
	Doesn't matter.
	I'm not the type to go out, give out my number, go like their stories on your shit.
	So did he tell you he doesn't want you going out to bars and clubs?
	He just doesn't want me to extend the connection further than the clubs.
	Like, don't try to give them your number or connect with them on Instagram.
	But you were still basically, how often would you go out to bars and clubs?
	Like bi-weekly, monthly.
	Wait, so twice a week or twice a month?
	Once every two weeks or like once a month.
	It depends on how often they reach out to me.
	Okay.
	And it sounded like, so did he have issues with you going out to these bars and clubs?
	He would make his little jokes about like me wearing revealing stuff or going out with my single girlfriends who might influence me to do single things.
	So he didn't want you to do that?
	Yeah.
	But you did it anyways.
	He never said explicitly don't go to clubs and bars.
	He just said that I don't understand.
	He says he doesn't like it.
	Why does he then need to actually articulate?
	Because he would go out to the bars with his boys and I had to be okay with it.
	I wouldn't have to stop him from that.
	But what I wouldn't want him to go do is go to the bar with his co-worker that I think he's flirting with.
	You know, I'm going out with my girlfriends.
	If he's going out with his guy friends, it's fine.
	It depends on who you're going out with.
	Yeah, but again, this comes back to the differential between men and women.
	So as a guy, if you go to a bar or a club, while I'll grant that on rare occasions, a woman might approach you, this is exceedingly a rare occurrence.
	So it's totally different.
	So when you go out to the bar club, you can be pretty certain that you're going to get approached.
	Like if I go out to a bar or club, there's no world where I can expect, oh yeah, tonight, like three girls are going to hit on me and want to fuck me tonight and put in all the work to try to fuck me tonight.
	You'd be surprised.
	When I was younger, I've been to bars and clubs.
	But it's different now.
	Women are very more like, you know, you're out here sending DMs.
	We're out here shooting our shots.
	It's different now.
	I run away from men in the clubs nine out of ten times, honestly.
	Yeah.
	You don't find love in the club.
	You want to find a drink, you know.
	Like, it's easy to.
	Yeah, girls don't approach in the club.
	I mean, you can say that, but it's, I mean, it's, that's total cap.
	How many times have you approached a guy in the club?
	Well, to get like a drink or to get in their section.
	To have sex with them.
	Oh, no.
	Zero.
	So hold on.
	You're being so disingenuous right now.
	So you'll approach a guy to get his alcohol, but you don't have any actual romantic interest.
	Whereas what I'm talking, so they're not, you're not like actually.
	That's the only time I would approach a guy.
	So you just defeated your own argument.
	So there's no risk.
	So essentially, you're just saying there's absolutely no risk of a guy going to a club and actually having a woman sexually pursue him.
	I mean, if your man is like a model and he's attractive enough, I think that women would gravitate towards him.
	But like as a woman, I wouldn't go approaching men with the intent to sleep with them.
	I would be approaching them with the intent to get a free drink or like to get a seat at their VIP section so I don't have to stand in my heels all night at the club.
	Right.
	But when I say women don't approach men, what I'm talking about, I'm not, yeah, I guess technically you're approaching them so you could procure alcohol.
	That's not really what I'm talking about.
	When men approach women, they're typically trying to procure a relationship or a sexual experience or something like that.
	So that's kind of what I'm talking about.
	By your own admission here, you've just said that, okay, well, women don't really go to the club to do that really, whereas men do.
	This would seem to further establish my position.
	I still said I go to the clubs to sit at VIP sections and hang out with my homegirls and get free drinks.
	Yeah.
	I started with that initially and I'm ending with that too.
	Whether the free drinks come from a promoter who's paying me to bring girls to the club and giving me free bottles or it's coming from guys who are paying for the girls.
	Why do you think guys go to clubs?
	For the ladies, for sure.
	To get late, right?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	They're not getting that from me, though.
	Why do girls go to the club?
	To dance.
	To dance, to dance.
	To do girls.
	To listen to good music, dress up, be cute, take photos for the Instagram.
	Drink some good liquor.
	I just know how to talk to school.
	I don't know anymore.
	I do tend to see women, though, mostly not go to clubs where there's only women to dance.
	That's really strange.
	Where are they?
	You would think, for instance, that if it were true that women only wanted to go to the club so that they could dance with other women to tell each other how cute they were, that they would go to a club that was exclusively for women.
	They do have girls.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Hang on.
	That's super strange.
	Can you explain why that is?
	Well, actually, when I was out in New York trying to look at the nightlife, they had like LGBTQ nights and like lesbian nights.
	And they're like, all the girls and the gays are invited.
	And I was like, I would love to go to something like that.
	Have to not be worried about a guy trying to sexualize you.
	Yeah, prey on you.
	Exactly.
	Like, I would love to go to one of those.
	So, yeah, some clubs may have a gay night where you can go in and hang out with gay women, I guess.
	Or just girls.
	99% of the time that you have gone to a club, my assumption is that there are men at those clubs, yeah?
	But the men aren't coming.
	Why not?
	Well, so why not go to a club where there's no men, where it's just exclusively?
	Do you know a club where there's only women?
	Let me know.
	I'll be there.
	Yeah, well, you would think if this was a viable model, that one of you, the glorious entrepreneurs who own 50,000 businesses, would simply start an all-woman's club.
	You know why I actually might.
	That's a good idea.
	It's a good idea.
	I think they already own an all-girls company.
	Next business visit.
	Well, it's interesting.
	It's interesting to me because you just said that your perception of the club experience is men preying on women.
	Wouldn't that further establish men having more pretext and justification for not wanting their girlfriends to go to the club?
	Because by your own admission, men prey on women in these environments, but women don't typically prey on men in these environments.
	Yeah, but that's another differential that just further establishes my position that if you're in a relationship with a woman, she should not be going out to a bar or club.
	But it's kind of like VIP sections, though.
	What's that?
	The guys like prey on you.
	They stand by the bar and they look at you or they're on the dance floor looking at you from the corner of the corner.
	So your experience of going to night clubs and bars is men.
	Men prey on you.
	Why the fuck would you go to these environments?
	What if you took out your man with you?
	Just what's that different?
	I invite him to all the clubs with me too.
	Does he go?
	Yeah, and he's like, oh, your guy friends just want to fuck you.
	This, this, and that.
	Why would you go to, as a guy, why would you go to the bar if you already have a girl?
	Yeah.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	Like, there's no reason as a guy to go to a bar or nightclub absent trying to find a woman.
	You already have a woman.
	So why would you go there with her?
	I think it's the same for girls too.
	And every relationship that I've been in, unless I was with them, I didn't go to clubs or bars because if I was going out, I would want them there.
	And I think as women, we can all admit that when you get drunk at a club, you are looking for a companion.
	And like that is the goal of going there.
	So if you're in a relationship for me, at least, like if I'm drinking and I'm not with a boyfriend, then like that's the only person I want to be with.
	So I wouldn't, I personally haven't.
	And it's just like a natural decision.
	I've never been asked not to.
	I just think it's something I gravitate towards, you know?
	So no one here has been to a woman's only club or like a femme event?
	No?
	Well, I would assume, I would assume that, let's assume for a moment that all of them have, right?
	Just for like the sake of argument, there's no possible way that that's 99% of the experiences, right?
	Most of the time that women are going to clubs, they're not going to same-sex clubs so that they can dance so that other girls can see.
	They're going to clubs with the opposite sex because they want to get their drinks bought, right?
	I mean, isn't that actually the case?
	And they want to take their drinks bought invalidation.
	Well, I don't drink alcohol at all, so I'm not going to a club for alcohol at all.
	I'm going to like get stress out and dance and actually enjoy myself because I don't, I'm, I don't really like involving myself around people, period.
	It stressed me out.
	Yeah, well, and that may be true, but you would have to admit that you're an exception to the rule, right?
	So it's not that all women always only go to clubs for the purposes of having drinks bought to them, right?
	But most women seem to go to clubs so that they can dance and they want to go to clubs where men are because those men will buy their drinks.
	I mean, is that not the case?
	Or do you think that most women go to clubs because they don't want their drinks bought?
	Or they could go to a same-sex club?
	I mean, being single now and going out to the clubs with my girls, we don't just kind of like depend on a man to buy us drinks.
	We'll pre-game before.
	I also don't drink too much myself, so I'll be smoking before.
	But my explanation is.
	If you're pre-gaming, then you're planning on it.
	So literally, if you're pre-gaming, that is planning.
	So you're saying what do we do?
	What do we do if the guys don't buy our drinks?
	Well, they will buy our drinks.
	Well, because you don't have to depend on the men to go out and have a good night with your homegirls.
	You can supply your own drinks, so it doesn't always have to boil down to a man.
	But my ex did end up becoming a club promoter anyway.
	So his job ended up becoming to get all the girls to come to the VIP section.
	And I had to be okay with that during our relationship too.
	I didn't like the thought of him being at a table with 10 girls in a section at the club, getting them free drinks.
	Yeah, but earlier you said, wait, wait, wait.
	That makes no sense.
	Because earlier you said, yeah, but the reason I do this socialization is because it's like for networking purposes and because you're making that money.
	But somehow when he's doing the socialization, because he's making that money, that's bad.
	Because I'm going with just me and my homegirls.
	He's going and he has to find other girls from the club.
	He's not there with his boys.
	He's not there with his girl best friends.
	He's there finding girls like me and my friends to bring out to the clubs.
	But we also broke up for that reason because neither of us liked that both of us were going to be.
	Would you have to get through the rest of the world?
	So it's rules for he, but not for she.
	He had to go follow these girls on Instagram.
	I didn't.
	I was there to look pretty at the table, get free drinks with my girlfriends all around me.
	And when you travel and pack with more girls, it's more intimidating for guys to come approach you as a girl in a group of eight instead of me being like alone on the dance floor by the bar.
	Then a guy would come up and approach me.
	But I'm literally in secluded sections.
	There's like ropes, there's bodyguards and stuff around us.
	Like no, no man praying is just going to come up on me.
	Yeah, but the idea here still is that you're doing this for money.
	He was doing this for money, right?
	So I also said the extent of us connecting stayed in the club.
	I only ever talked to people if they were in the club.
	They never got my number on my Instagram.
	He would have to connect with these girls outside of the club, get their number, get their Instagram, and bring them into the club, is what I'm saying.
	Because that was his job.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But he's getting paid for it.
	But y'all are saying I can't get paid for it and do the same thing.
	It's different.
	No, no, no.
	I'm holding you to your standard, right?
	I'm not saying what you can or can't do.
	I'm just saying that if your standard is, look, you know, I need to obsess over this dude because, you know, every click that he does on anybody's Instagram, that could be that he's having an affair or something like this, which is legitimate.
	I just think that if you're also going to the club and doing the same type of nightlife, even though it may have a slightly different context, it seems fair that if you say it's okay for me to do it because there's money involved, that you apply that same standard to him, right?
	Yeah, the ratio of me going out is nine girls to maybe one promoter.
	But when it's him, it's going to be the one promoter to the nine girls that he's going to be around.
	It's just different.
	Well, I don't know why, like, because you add friends, somehow it makes it better.
	Like, I don't, are your friends just, like, holding you to account?
	Are they like, ah, girl, you can't do X, Y, and Z.
	No, they're not holding you to account, right?
	That's what my friends are.
	Like, like rock stars.
	My friends are loyal, so they would be the type to promote monogamy in the club and not promote cheating behaviors.
	Yeah, so, okay.
	You said you went out with your boyfriend, right?
	I'd always invite you.
	You guys would go out together?
	Were there ever any situations when you were out with him where like some drunk guy said something, maybe did something, and he had to intervene in some sort of way?
	It happens all the time to me.
	He was not too confrontational.
	He's more of like a, if they really do something to us, then we'll fight back.
	But that's.
	Okay, but has something like that happened?
	Yeah, just kind of like verbal stuff, but I kind of knew how to fend them off myself, so he never had to step in.
	Were you ever disappointed that your boyfriend didn't step in?
	A little bit.
	Yeah, this is a good idea.
	I never wanted to go shit.
	I'll be essay to all the men viewing, never go with your girl.
	First off, don't take girls who go to bars, clubs, parties.
	Second off, never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your girl.
	It's the amount of men I've seen get sparked up in a fight because the girl, I don't know, bro.
	It's don't do it, gentlemen.
	Don't go out with your girl because either you're bonding her.
	You're in the situation here where she's disappointed in you for not stepping up to some drunk idiot in a bar, or you do step up and either you fuck the guy up and then you catch a case or you get fucking brain damage because he knocks you out.
	You fucking hit your head on the concrete on the floor, boom, boom, boom, whatever it is.
	So I know you laugh, but I mean, this shit happens all the time.
	Yeah, I never wanted to get to that point.
	That's why we're talking about it.
	Yeah, but it's just like stupid.
	It's so stupid to go out with your girl.
	But isn't it like a bonding moment for you and your partner to go out, have drinks together, dance together, have a good night together, come home?
	No, I thought that was fun.
	Why can't you go like do normal couple shit happen?
	I thought that was normal couple shit to go out once.
	Not every night, but once again.
	Oh, I mean, that was like because my ex, that's what he likes to do, so I would always go with him.
	I mean, that's fine.
	Look, people can do it.
	I just think it's really ill-advised for men because of some like some dumbass.
	Like, I'm not excusing the actions of these other men who get drunk or whatever.
	But, like, it's going to fucking happen.
	He's a guy.
	Yeah.
	You don't want to be the one who's like, okay.
	And also, like, half the fucking fights I've ever seen in these sorts of environments, it's over a chick.
	Yeah, and also, can you point out that there's a distinction between going to your local pub with your significant other and having dinner and some beers or drinks or something like that, and then going home for that bonding versus going to a nightclub that's filled with 90% singles, including drunk horny men?
	That seems like a recipe for disease.
	I don't know why that would need to be part of the bonding, you know, that would be kind of dumb.
	I've seen people literally like get paramedics come, fucking brain, permanent brain damage from.
	I've had like guys come up to me and ask me like, oh, do you want a drink?
	And my man's like, oh, she's with me, and she doesn't want a drink for me.
	And I was like, see, like, stuff like that.
	Yeah, but you said you've seen like those situations where girl, the guy says some dumb shit.
	Walton's got to fuck in.
	Got to do something about it.
	Yeah, but again, I mean, we also know.
	I mean, I don't think people are so ignorant they don't know where the party spots are, like where the singles are, the younger men, younger women are.
	Again, I think the big difference if you go to TGI Fridays and you have a couple of drinks and you know the baby back ribs versus going to a nightclub.
	That seems like I don't know why you'd need to go to a nightclub in order to bond.
	That just seems strange.
	Because like sometimes the DJs play good music that you wouldn't get at TGI Fridays or the pub around the corner from your house.
	And it's just a different and a different ambiance.
	Like you come out and it's nice.
	You want to step out in your Louboutin with your man.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to come dressed out to TGI Fridays just to come back home and like change into some PJs.
	Like I want to dance with him on the dance floor and like get it on like Usher style.
	Like we in the club.
	Why can't you do that at home?
	Yeah, you're still, but I mean, I can just play something off my Bluetooth speaker and it's just put the RV station on.
	Yeah, I guess we can.
	I mean, personally, I only had really good experiences with my man at the club.
	Me too.
	And I've been a couple times within her.
	I never had one bad experience.
	It's always super fun.
	Like partying with your girlfriend.
	It depends on what your party.
	Me personally, me personally.
	I'll grant that I'm like highly introverted and like I fucking hate bars and clubs and shit.
	Can you guys actually make like a compelling argument or articulate like what is actually fun about going to the bar?
	I can kind of understand.
	Hold on.
	I can kind of understand it a bit more from the woman's perspective.
	Free drinks.
	You're getting all kind of attention, male validation, et cetera, et cetera.
	I guess girls like to dance or whatever the fuck.
	Why?
	Like, what's actually fun about it?
	And then perhaps like, what would even on top of that, what's actually fun about it for a guy?
	Like, I just don't understand it whatsoever.
	I think it's dancing with your girl.
	Personally, I mean, that's on you, right?
	Yeah, like, my man always has so much fun.
	Like, when we're just dancing together, there's not much places where we can just go and just dance and have fun.
	And it's dark too, so you're not really like, like, looking at him and like, oh, like, he's dancing.
	But like, yes, you're both just having fun.
	Like, drunk or not.
	Like, you don't need liquor.
	Yeah, you go see a DJ.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's like companionship being around.
	It's like companionship being with your person and partying together and enjoying the children.
	Yeah, there's definitely.
	It's a vibe, for sure.
	It's a vibe.
	I like that.
	Are you maybe too old for that?
	I mean, I'm 23, so I'm still a party girl.
	You realize that while perchance you may think that Brian is currently ancient, just a few years ago, he was not.
	So the thing is, is like, and clubs, believe it or not, existed when Brian was your age.
	So it's like, I don't know why we don't have a frame of reference here.
	Definitely have a frame of reference.
	You never went to the club for a show?
	Oh, like, I mean, I went a little bit when I was younger.
	I was never a big drinker, though.
	You didn't go to People Watch?
	You look like a People Watcher.
	Your whole show is people watching.
	You love people watching.
	I mean, I went, but it was like, I don't know.
	It's free entertainment.
	It's free people watching and drunk people.
	It's hilarious.
	It was never, I don't know.
	The whole, like, the whole experience was no.
	That's not for everybody.
	He's out in public.
	It's for us that she's not in a club.
	So, okay.
	Last thing, I guess, on this whole bar thing, then we need to get the rest of people's relationship status.
	I guess that going back to the whole differential thing, I guess what I was trying to get to is you guys do acknowledge.
	I know that, like, look, I'll even grant that you guys go to the club just to have fun and dance, and it's not necessarily to meet men.
	But you guys do acknowledge, like, maybe, maybe not you, but you have a girlfriend who like she's gone out one night and she's like, I want to meet a guy.
	Have you guys had that experience?
	Maybe for yourself.
	I know a lot of you are in long-term relationships or whatever.
	But you will admit, like, some women will go out with the hopes of maybe a guy flirting with them or something.
	Sure.
	That's the only reason that my friends will want me to come out with them, honestly.
	It's not my forte, but you got to support your girls.
	But we've always said that, like, for us going out, just at least my friend group, like, the pregame is the best part of the night out.
	It's not the club.
	Like, my two best friends in New York, we will be at the bar or whatever for probably pregame for two hours, go to the bar for 20 minutes, then leave, get pizza, go home and be like, we had so much fun together.
	Great night.
	I love that.
	I think I've just grown a little bit.
	So, drinking beforehand, having some cocktails, listening to music, finishing your makeup.
	Girly time.
	Yeah.
	Come to tailgating.
	And so, but, and you guys, those of you who've been out, you guys do acknowledge that when you do go out, there are men there who are interested in like hitting on you, sexually pursuing you, et cetera, et cetera.
	You guys acknowledge that, right?
	That's like anywhere we go.
	Grocery.
	Out on the street.
	Yeah, you can walk to the grocery station.
	The gas station.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, you could be at Trader Joe's.
	A guy could come approach you.
	I would say it's probably more anticipated that it's going to happen at a bar or nightclub.
	Exactly.
	And also, like, I don't know, shit goes down in the bars and clubs.
	Like, I don't know.
	I don't think in the history of Trader Joe's there's ever been like a guy approaches a girl and then like five minutes later, five minutes later, he's like finger banging her or some shit.
	That's true.
	That's something that's funny.
	I've seen, look, I've went to these clubs and parties and shit.
	I've seen stuff happen.
	You know, they'll hook up, they'll leave the club together, they'll fuck.
	Like, I don't know if in the history of Trader Joe's, that's maybe, who knows?
	Some guy with like immaculate Riz or some shit.
	Yeah.
	That only happens at Home Depot.
	It goes down at Home Depot for sure.
	But so knowing this, I guess, and knowing, like, here's the difference, right?
	So men and women, we flirt differently.
	So, like you said earlier, like you, like the way you'll kind of flirt, right, is you might just like something.
	You won't actually slide into a DM.
	You'll go out to the bar or whatever.
	Even granting that when you do go to these environments, maybe that's not your intention.
	But you are, have any of you met a guy from a party, bar, or club?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you guys have been in relationships forever.
	Yeah, I have.
	You have?
	What about you?
	Anyone would say so.
	Yeah.
	Deborah, what about you?
	Barbara?
	My longest relationship, actually, I met him in a club in Israel.
	Okay.
	And so going into that, though, like, were you going out though with like, I really want to meet a guy tonight?
	I was on a program.
	So there was like a couple hundred of us that would go and like basically just take over the clubs that we went.
	So he was on a club.
	It was college in Israel.
	Okay.
	Barry Lane.
	But there's a bunch of different programs like that.
	And he was on a different program.
	And then everybody just happened to be there that night.
	And then we made out in the club and then we did it for like almost two years.
	So it seems like, okay, when here's the dilemma that I see though.
	It's like, okay, so when you get into a relationship, because men and women flirt differently, I think we can all agree that neither the man or the woman should, like, you shouldn't go and actively approach somebody, right?
	Like, that would be cheating if the guy went up to a girl and like hit on her, right?
	That would be cheating.
	And that'd also be cheating if the woman went up to somebody and hit on them.
	100%.
	But this sort of ignores the like asymmetry between men and women.
	Women don't really do that.
	So the way that you guys flirt, and this is very, if, if your intention is to find a guy, and some of you have met men in these sorts of environments, the way that you will flirt is you'll put yourself in a position for men to come and approach you.
	That's your method of getting men.
	But being exposed.
	Yeah, you won't like really slide into a bunch of some occasionally, but you won't like really slide into DMs.
	You won't like go up to men at these environments, but you'll put yourself in a position.
	Maybe you'll put yourself in proximity, stand next to them.
	So they can see you're saying it's like cat and mouse, essentially.
	Yeah, so the conduct in which the way in which women will flirt doesn't change once they're in the middle of the women, Jay, it's more strategic.
	No, but hold on, let me, I'll tell you what I'm getting at.
	And so in a relationship, we only like shut down the ways in which men flirt.
	But there is no expectation really that's placed on women that men need to shut down the way you guys make yourselves available to men.
	So you continue, you, when you're in a relationship, a lot of women continue their single conduct.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	So the way we conduct ourselves when we're single would not be acceptable once we're in a relationship.
	But the way you guys conduct yourselves when you're single, that's never challenged.
	And I think it ought to be.
	So if you're in a relationship with a guy, you got to stop posting revealing photos.
	You got to stop dressing revealing.
	And you got to stop going out to bars, clubs, and parties.
	Even if you have no intention of approaching a guy, you know going to these events, you will be approached.
	Some guys like that, though.
	They like their girl getting attention.
	Not really.
	So in the way that we have to shut down our options, you don't shut down your options when you guys are in a relationship.
	And I find that interesting.
	But Brian, have you never had the experience with girls where you're just like, excuse me, do you have a tissue?
	And they're like, I have a boyfriend.
	Don't speak to me.
	There are so many women who act like that where they won't even.
	What's your name?
	My name is Armand.
	Literally, I have a boyfriend.
	They're like, I'm just trying to seat you at your table for dinner.
	So I think it just comes on every side, but I definitely agree with you.
	And I think to take it a step further, that if you don't want to do that, if you're not with somebody who makes you want to, you know, just put your eyes, his eyes on you, and really only pursue that relationship, then I don't think you're with the right person.
	And I think every girl has experienced that, where a guy, when you're talking to a guy, he either makes you want to never speak to another man ever again or reminds you how much better you can get and then encourages you to date more and find a better match for yourself.
	I'm perfectly willing to grant that there are women who are who are in relationships who go to these environments and they will shut down 100% of the men 100% of the time.
	And that might very well be the case, although there's certainly situations where like, I mean, women have a hypergamous nature.
	There very well could be a case.
	It's like, well, are we in like an argument phase of our relationship?
	And is, oh, this guy's like, I don't know.
	If this other guy who's stepping to you, if he's like exceptional in some additional way, like you just got to close down your options.
	But even putting that aside, if you guys are looking to men to be leaders and to be protectors, one component of us being protectors would be we have to have some say and authority when it comes to your conduct and protecting the relationship.
	Because if you're going to these parties, let's say you have no intention of cheating.
	Some guy could roofie you.
	We're looking out for you.
	I don't want you in the club.
	And, you know, he could, somebody could put something in your drink.
	Some guy could grab your ass and you feel terrible about it.
	And I'm not, that's terrible behavior.
	But guys are drunk.
	They do that shit.
	I don't want to expose my girlfriend to that kind of conduct from other men.
	And also just, I don't drink and party and all that stuff.
	So like I'm not dating women who do this for the most part anyways.
	But yeah, we're just trying to protect you.
	So.
	I like that point of view.
	But that's why like when I said I get paid to go here, I know the promoters, like they'll get us a section for me and my girls to sit at.
	So our drinks aren't anywhere near where it can get roofied on the dance floor or guys aren't close enough to be smacking our ass.
	Like we're literally sitting, enjoying ourselves in the club and we have our own secluded area to dance if we did want to dance.
	We don't have to step onto the sweaty dance floor in close proximity with streets.
	I'm just curious, like, look, I'm not all there's different kinds of clubs, different kinds of environments.
	I mean, I know you're saying that, but, like, to me, just from a business perspective, the reason they have the women in the clubs is like the men, they want to talk to the women, they want to interact with women.
	You're saying, well, you've got your little space.
	So, you're saying, in the history of all the times you've been to a bar and you have your section, no guy has ever talked to you ever.
	Well, I have single friends who are there with me, so they'll go off and mingle or they'll go talk to some guys.
	And it's not technically me who's bringing guys to the clubs, but it's the girls that I bring.
	And, you know, guys see more girls are in the club, so they're willing to pay a cover fee, or they're willing to spend for a couple of drinks at the bar to get tipsy to go hit on some girls.
	They're willing to spend on the girls who are there to milk their money throughout the course of your relationship when you're going out to the bars and the clubs.
	Did a guy at the club or bar ever say anything inappropriate to you?
	In fact, wait, you already admitted to this because you said there were a few times you were out even with your boyfriend and you were hopeful that he would intervene in some way, but he didn't because he's non-confrontational.
	Okay, so you even admitted that it happened.
	Yeah, when you go out, even with your boyfriend, I feel like some guys have no regard for relationships.
	Sometimes having a man will make them want to hit on you more, some of my experiences.
	Like compete with him.
	So that's even, I mean, that seems like a really good reason to not go out to the club.
	But even being a singer-songwriter, when I go perform at all these clubs, bars, venues in LA, like there are guys who are fawning over me in the crowd, and my boyfriend has to like witness this.
	What can he do?
	Not go to the bar or club?
	He's just there to support me performing.
	Oh, oh, what?
	You're doing a performance.
	I perform at clubs and bars too.
	And there's guys in the clubs and bars who find me attractive.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, all right, guys, we have a couple chats here that I'm going to read.
	and then we'll get to the relationship status we've got.
	Actually, Debra, can I have you read this?
	These if you can see.
	Call me skeptical, but this chick wanted to lock down half of the marital state marshall.
	No.
	No, I think it says marital the couple.
	I can read, guys.
	Sorry.
	Marital estate before she blindsided him with the polycrap, at which point he was stuck in a financial straitjacket, by the way.
	Dot dot dot.
	Hold on.
	Oh, sorry.
	This one.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Continued.
	By the way, I'm a lawyer.
	Don't bullshit me.
	Dude, got totally railroaded by the vile woman.
	Gents out there, eyes wide open.
	I believe this is to you.
	Do you have a response to Lucas?
	I guess you would now take someone to know one, baby.
	Okay, cool.
	Rock and roll.
	Relationship status.
	What about you?
	I have a pet.
	I have a pet, like a guy that acts like my dog.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	Oh, I thought you were joking.
	No, he's sleeping on my floor on the dog bed.
	He's like a sub?
	Is that what you call it?
	Yeah.
	Or a slave?
	He just does whatever I ask him.
	Servant?
	So you have a master slave BDSM dynamic.
	Yeah, basically.
	You're being serious, right?
	Yeah, I was in an audience.
	I got out of an abusive relationship about a year ago.
	The guy tried to strangle me like five times, ran to the neighbor's house.
	I'm not sure how that's relevant, but okay.
	So I ended up with a song.
	Well, because, as you know, the best way to recover from being in an abusive relationship is to abuse somebody.
	Everybody knows that.
	Well, I don't hit him or anything.
	And he's, he, he, he.
	Yeah, just humiliate him, make him sleep in a dog bed.
	Does he have to do that?
	I told him he could.
	I didn't tell him he had to.
	He asked me to buy him a dog bed.
	Yeah, but Do you realize that there are mentally ill individuals out there who do mentally ill things, and that it is very enabling when a person's like, Well, I know that you're mentally ill and sick in the head, that you'd be willing to sleep in a dog bed like a freak, but I'm gonna go ahead and, in some way, get some sort of gratification from that.
	Like, what doesn't that say something bad about you?
	Uh, I didn't think about it, but I guess I don't know.
	I take care of him financially, I pay all of his bills.
	Like, why?
	Because I don't know.
	She's the dom.
	She's the dom.
	I just enjoy the comfort.
	Did you peg him?
	I don't think so.
	How would you forget that?
	Or how would you forget that?
	I tell him he's a good boy, though.
	Does he bark for you?
	He probably would if I asked him to.
	Is this around?
	Wait, this is wild?
	What kind of pet dynamic is this?
	Yeah, have you seen that office episode where they like went to Jan's house, like Michael and Jan's house, and like Jan had the whole bag?
	She walks him with the collar.
	He had the Ottoman.
	That's kind of what it is, actually.
	And then there's like a, what's it called?
	You know, at the edge of the bed, there's a Ottoman.
	He slept on the Ottoman.
	Are you wanting to call you serious?
	Is it abusive if there's a contract that says he consents to this?
	I mean, look, it is an NDA.
	It's a relationship, I think.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if a man, for instance, were to have some type of contract with a woman that it was okay for him to, well, I don't know, smack her around whenever he felt like it, you would still consider that to be abusive, even though it was contractual, right?
	I looked it up by law.
	It's technically if it's consensual by a contract, you're okay.
	You wouldn't think that that was abusive?
	I mean, if I don't like it and I'm saying no, then yeah, that's a form of abuse, I think.
	How long has this been going on?
	Well, I've known him for eight years, but it became more of a thing recently.
	How recently?
	Like about a year, no.
	So you guys have been together for a year?
	We're not together.
	Well, okay, hold on.
	Do you take him on walks?
	Does he get little cheats?
	He actually thought that it was funny.
	He's already talked about that.
	Yeah, so are you dating somebody else?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	I haven't seen anything.
	So how long have you been single?
	About a year.
	Maybe a year and a half.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	12 years.
	Was that the one that ended a year ago?
	No, I dated someone when I started dating when I was 10 years old.
	I didn't quit till my early 20s.
	How old were they?
	They're also 11.
	Same age.
	11.
	And that was the 12-year relationship?
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who in the 12-year relationship?
	He admitted something openly that he had gotten raped and then couldn't create.
	I got to say SA, man.
	Oh, SA.
	Sorry.
	SA.
	That he got SA'd and then he kind of ghosted me.
	I think he was just ashamed of the fact that he was violated.
	Okay.
	Your relationship that ended a year ago, how long was that one?
	That was a year.
	All right.
	Who broke up with who?
	He just got arrested and it ended from there.
	Arrested for what?
	He tried to strangle me within five times with one night.
	Was it consensual?
	No.
	No, no.
	I was running.
	I ran to the next door neighbor.
	I was running away from him.
	Was this the first time he tried to hurt you?
	No.
	Okay.
	That was second, and after the second, it was just, that's done.
	Alright.
	Were you guys having an argument?
	No, he was drunk.
	He got mad about pizza.
	I put the he ordered pizza and then he fasted out and I put it in the fridge and he got mad that I put it in the fridge.
	Started just freaking out on me and screaming at me.
	Mental illness.
	Okay.
	Why are you so attracted to mentally ill men?
	Abusive men.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	I've never actually had a deep conversation with myself.
	The childhood trauma, perhaps?
	Yeah, probably.
	The current guy that you're not seeing, but lives in your house and you pay all of his bills.
	Do you have a carnal relationship with this gentleman?
	Like, what kind of relationship I didn't?
	Sexual, is it a sexual relationship?
	No, I really haven't had much sex in like a year.
	I'd say it has been like twice, and then I just know it's not sexual anymore.
	Wait, you've had sex with him?
	Yeah, in the very beginning, and then I just can't have sex with him anymore.
	How often does he sleep on your floor?
	Every night?
	Oh, every night he comes over and sleeps.
	Oh, he lives in your house.
	He doesn't leave my house.
	Does he do your chores?
	Yes.
	Can you just break down like everything he does for you?
	Holds my jacket.
	If I have girlfriends, he holds their jackets and purses.
	If I need him to walk to the grocery store, he will.
	If I get sick, he'll take care of me.
	If he gets sick, I take care of him.
	Yeah, everything.
	Any house chore I need done, he'll get done for me.
	Okay.
	He just doesn't drive.
	Does he wear anything?
	And is he older than you?
	Yeah, he's 30.
	Yeah, okay.
	So a couple, a couple of quick questions I'm just curious about.
	If you think about what is mentally stable, right, or somebody who's not mentally ill, would you see it as a sign of perhaps abnormality, a man who is willing to sleep on the ground in a dog bed and be ordered about by a person who owned the place to the point where they would stand there as a coat rack or have endless demands put on them, which are essentially dehumanizing?
	What is that?
	Will you repeat that first part of the sentence?
	Please?
	Yeah, do you consider that mentally stable?
	Graffiti Totak donated $200.
	Girls, do men expect extremely kinky/slash weird stuff in bed due to corn becoming more extreme?
	Can you give examples?
	Have you ever had to break up because a sex sector guy wanted was too crazy for you?
	We'll come right back to that, Graffito.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm just wondering, do you consider that to be mentally stable behavior?
	I don't think he's mentally stable at all.
	I definitely know he's not mentally stable, but he's not capable of taking care of himself.
	I've tried to help him get his driver's license.
	I've tried to help him get away from him.
	I mean, are you a psychologist?
	No, no.
	I mean, so you can't make a diagnosis.
	I guess you're right.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	But he doesn't.
	About whether or not, hang on, hang on, about whether or not a person can take care of themselves.
	And even if he couldn't, and I'll just grant to you that he couldn't, wouldn't you then defer that to professionals who could assist him so that he could take care of himself rather than exploiting a mentally ill person, making them sleep on the floor like a dog?
	How is that not monstrous?
	I guess I thought because it's consensual and he wants to be next to me all the time.
	I didn't think it was.
	If a mentally ill person gives consent, are they really giving consent?
	He wasn't diagnosed as mentally ill, so I mean, I don't know.
	I never thought about this.
	Sorry, Andrew, I just wanted to jump in.
	You mentioned before the show that you're a mother.
	If you have a mentally ill person that you acknowledge is mentally ill living in your home, how are you feel safe with your child around him?
	Like, why are you exposing your child to that?
	My daughter loves him, and he's really good with my daughter, too.
	So you just said that he's mentally ill.
	Well, I don't know what you guys considered mentally ill.
	Like, he can take care of himself.
	He's good with kids.
	Would bark like a dog if requested, stands as coat rack for you, sleeps on the floor like a dog, is treated as a pet by you by your administrator.
	But he's still human.
	I think that a person who would be willing to do that sounds like they have some screws loose, yeah?
	Yeah, but he's not like he has a good heart.
	Like, he's not like a bad person.
	I'm not blaming him.
	I don't think he's bad.
	I don't think that the person here who's completely unwilling to get away from the past.
	She asks about my kid.
	She asks about my kid, and if he was a bad person, of course he wouldn't be around my kid, but he's not a bad person.
	He's actually really good with people.
	But what do you do?
	That is not sending some sort of message or like teaching your, you said it was a daughter, I believe.
	Well, he doesn't do that.
	If my kid is there, I share co-parent with my sister.
	So if my sister gives me, like, we share custody, if my daughter's there, he doesn't do that around my daughter.
	No, not only that, but do you not think that it's confusing your daughter to see her mother in a relationship with a man who's a doormat for her instead of like a loving, monogamous relationship or even not a monogamous relationship, like a real partner?
	You have a point.
	She kind of like, well, she kind of goes, I guess so, yeah, because she's dominant too.
	Like she kind of tells him what to do.
	And yeah, no, there's a point there, yeah.
	Because like the father figure in your life, or at least whoever that is, maybe the stepdad, the dad who stepped up, whatever it might be in people's situations, I know that for women, that really determines a lot about the future relationships that they engage in and what they expect for themselves and what they think they deserve.
	Like, shout out to my dad who would warm the car up every single morning before school when I was a kid.
	Like, do you not want better for your daughter than this?
	Don't you think you deserve a real partner in life?
	I think I'm just scared of men because I went through a year ago and I've known him for eight years.
	So it's easy to be close to someone you're comfortable with and get abused again.
	Have you ever thought of conquering that fear and like, I don't know, CBT therapy or something like that to really move past it instead of just having a man?
	I'm trying to go to therapy, but every time I try to get therapy, it seems like there's always an issue trying to get a therapist to help with some things.
	So I've definitely reached out to people.
	I've definitely asked for help, but it seems like there's always an insurance problem.
	If I get that fixed, there's another issue.
	Well, have you thought about the idea that perhaps you're just a horrible person?
	Have you perhaps reconciled the fact that you could just be a fucking awful person who likes to do damage to men?
	No, no, because I've had boyfriend, Sam, a wonderful girlfriend.
	Like I've had boyfriends.
	When you make them sleep on the floor, you make him act as a co-brab for your friends so you can demean them.
	Technically, he's not my boyfriend, but when I've had boyfriends, I've cleaned their dishes, taken care of their dog, walked their dog.
	I've also been the one that takes care of all their stuff while they're paying the financial bills, and I just sit there and I take care of them.
	You know, I think that there's an overemphasis often on the idea of therapy, therapists, and the fact that you need a mental health professional to come in.
	I think that the first step, honestly, is where's the common sense here?
	Like, I don't actually even understand.
	Like, where's the common sense?
	This guy has a right to leave.
	If you make a man sleep on the floor like a dog and then publicly proclaim that he's your pet, right?
	You might be a horrible fucking person.
	Like, I don't know why he has to do that.
	Well, he has the right to leave and go anywhere he wants.
	I don't think he will be pay all his bills.
	Why would he ever leave if you're paying all his bills?
	He doesn't really have sneaching off of you.
	He's not trapped there either.
	But he doesn't have an incentive to leave if you're paying all his bills.
	Why would he go be broker and homeless or whatever?
	That's what I'm saying.
	If he thought about you every night, if anybody thought I was a horrible person, they can always get up and leave my place too.
	But he's claiming that I've mentivized him to stay in this environment.
	He's dependent on that.
	He's dependent on you.
	You've incentivized him.
	It's kind of like federal government aid on welfare that you're just getting a consistent check or something.
	Why would you ever go and get your own job or figure out your basic life?
	Like here, I'll show you what she's saying, right?
	Let's reverse it.
	A little bit.
	Let's reverse this for a second.
	Hang on.
	Let's reverse it.
	Let's pretend for a second that I was on the panel and I said, well, I found a mentally unwell woman who can't take care of herself and she's totally dependent upon me.
	At night, I make her sleep on the ground, right?
	I make her do all sorts of sexual things whenever I feel like it, right?
	And I treat her like a doormat in front of every woman who comes over.
	Not a doormat like, ooh, I'm kind of rude to her, but literally make her stand there with her arm extended and then me and my friends hang our coats and balance our drinks from her little nose.
	Would any woman here not say that that was fucking horrific and that I was a monster?
	Go ahead.
	I just, by a show of hands, who would say if I said all of that to you, that I was a monster?
	Show of hands.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	But somehow the sisterhood can't be bothered to express to this woman that what she's doing is fucking monstrous.
	No one's ever said anything to me.
	Yeah, I'm sure they haven't.
	Well, I guess it's because on Twitter, like I've seen a lot of stuff about Findom.
	So like, what is that?
	Findom is, I don't know, specific terms and all that, but she's just saying we don't kingshame around here.
	Yeah, like her.
	I was like, some people are into that stuff, so I just try to like respectfully listen.
	I haven't really thought that, like, mentally ill.
	Yeah, but if it was a man, if it was a man, well, you're saying all men submissive people are mentally ill.
	He would be a monster.
	That's basically what you're saying is all people that want to actually be, because there's people that pay people, pay, pay people, people that enjoy that.
	Like, there's people that dress up in fucking sex outfits and clean your house and live there permanently.
	Yeah, they're mentally unwell.
	They're mentally unwell.
	Listen, you can't.
	It's part of the human community.
	That a guy who demands that you take his last dime so that he can come harder is not a mentally unwell man.
	Of course they're mentally unwell.
	And it's exploiting that mental unwellness.
	And it's like, somehow, I don't understand why women give each other a pass on this.
	Why they're not like, you sick psychopath, why are you doing this horrible thing to this guy?
	I don't actually get it.
	I guess I can explain that.
	Some women, when we're like doing this shit, we get like kind of, I don't know, our brain, when society is like, oh, that's okay, then we start doing, we get used to doing that stuff.
	It's not, anybody doesn't tell us it's wrong.
	We're not going to break that pattern of being like, oh, that doesn't sound right.
	No, you know, because we kind of get like into this, like, just as all of society kind of brainwashed into shit and we were kind of like, don't think that's brainwashing.
	Yeah, but did he ask for this or did you propose the idea?
	He asked for the dog bed.
	He's asked for this stuff.
	Like I didn't hear like sit you down, have a conversation with you.
	Actually, yeah, kind of, yeah, a little bit.
	And do you ever see this ending?
	Is there an end point in the future?
	Yeah, I haven't thought about that.
	Yeah, but the I mean, if I met somebody that I actually enjoyed spending time with that actually like wasn't like wanted to do the equal part, like get it, have a car and they had a good job, then yeah, I'd be like, yeah, you know what?
	I found someone that I actually appreciate.
	Like they want to put half of the weight into the relationship.
	I probably would be like, this is not going to work out.
	It seems like from everything that you've said about relationships that like relationships to you are just like a financial situation where like if we want to go 50-50, provide for him, he provides for me.
	But like in my opinion, there's so much more, especially when it comes to long-term monogamy and having a child already.
	If her dad's not in her life, having a strong person to help.
	I know being a single mom, it's impossible to do everything.
	That's amazing that your sister helped out.
	But even being able to spend enough quality time with your child while also trying to bring income in.
	I'm only 24.
	I don't have a daughter.
	But I do have friends who have, you know, children and they have husbands who are very helpful.
	And I can't imagine them getting a lot of things they do to have a good man.
	So, yeah.
	Has this started from when you were young?
	Have you always gone after abusive men?
	Or at least men who just weren't up high value, up to the standard, really wanted you for everything that you are and not just the financial aspect?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's been an issue with starting with my narcissistic mother to like the men she dated.
	Yeah.
	So do you see that you're repeating that pattern for your daughter now when you can break the cycle instead and choose better?
	I've started to notice it more recently and it's been very difficult to break something that's psychologically ingrained into me.
	That's not an overnight healing thing that you can just do overnight.
	That is a lot of work to put in.
	Well, is your daughter not worth putting in the work for?
	Well, yes, she is.
	So then why not start tomorrow?
	Kick him out of your house.
	You don't have to find a new man, but you can put all that energy into your child and you can heal and attract somebody who wants you for who you are, not just any financial benefits that you can offer, not for a dog bed, for genuinely who you are as a human being.
	You know, I actually, the last week I've been, like, we've started fighting about stupid shit and I was like, you know, I don't know why I'm doing this, but I've been doing it for a while and it's not enjoyable like it was when it, when we were first like connected, it was just a past relationship and I'm dragging that along with me because I'm scared of like fully embracing being in the future and all in the past.
	And I think that's just trauma just holding me back from being happy.
	The best advice I ever got.
	No, you're not.
	You're not a victim here.
	You got to let go.
	You're the victimizer here.
	You're the victimizer, not the victim.
	Like every time, every time I see this pattern of when a woman is clearly victimizing a man, clearly victimizing him, they go, well, it's okay.
	Don't give me too much pushback because after all, I have former trauma.
	It's like, that's no excuse.
	I'm sorry.
	You don't get to do horrible things to people because horrible things were done to you.
	All of us have had horrible things done to us.
	All of us.
	You're no exception, right?
	Everybody's had horrible things done to them in life.
	And I've dealt with horrible challenges in life.
	Everybody has dealt with horrible challenges.
	What you're doing right now, you should be reflective because this is psychotic.
	It's psychotic and horrific.
	And you just got to stop, right?
	You just got to stop doing it.
	It's horrific.
	Yeah.
	But I would say no one's perfect.
	We can all learn from everything.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	That's fine.
	Just go shoot a guy down the road and be like, oh, yeah, no, no one's perfect.
	You got to live in the middle of the morning.
	I mean, you're a perfect person.
	What do you mean?
	I wasn't allowed to go shoot that.
	It's like, come on.
	Yeah, but you haven't made mistakes.
	You haven't made mistakes.
	You're perfect.
	Like, you haven't had trauma affect your life.
	I just got done telling you that not only have I dealt with all sorts of personal baggage, trauma, all sorts of things, right?
	Just like everybody else has, that is not an excuse for me to be a horrible person.
	But you learned that.
	I don't get a pass.
	Like, no one's ever going to be like, well, Andrew, you being a horrible bastard, I'm going to go ahead and give you the pass on that because of past trauma.
	But for some reason, reflexively, women go, because horrible thing done to me.
	I was a perfect angel until some man corrupted me.
	So therefore, doing horrible things to other people is acceptable.
	It's not acceptable.
	I was traumatized when a Zen was spitting my cup.
	I'm not spitting in anybody else's cup this time.
	I mean, I think I actually just saw you put something in my cup.
	You wish.
	What the fuck?
	Okay, all right.
	All right.
	Thank you, Rachel, for the super chat, by the way.
	With collagen.
	Oh, there you go.
	There you go.
	Okay, we have a chat here from Lucas.
	Can you read it, Deborah?
	Yes.
	Also, we missed that, to go back to that one from before, whenever.
	Nice Peavey Herman response.
	It's patently obvious that you're quite the highbrow intellect.
	Nevertheless, I've been married 22 years plus two kids.
	Oh, and by the way, my billing rate is $1,250 an hour, so do the math.
	Wait, are you crying?
	Are you crying?
	Are you crying?
	Are you crying because you did horrible fucking things to a person and you finally realized that you're doing horrible things to a person?
	No, I just want to.
	You need to cry.
	It's good for you to cry.
	That's called taking responsibility.
	I get that, but you've got to understand, like, people aren't fucking perfect.
	People make mistakes, and we can learn from that.
	He shouldn't just be like, oh, I'm a fucking human being just because I didn't recognize something.
	I can change and I can grow.
	Oh, boo-hoo.
	Oh, you did a horrible thing to a person and it was pointed out that you need to stop being a horrible person.
	Well, no one fucking told me I was doing a fucking horrible thing to somebody.
	I'm not going to take accountability for the horrible fucking things that you're doing.
	And you should cry about it because it's fucking awful.
	It's awful.
	So you never treated a girl like shit before?
	No, I've never made a woman sleep on the ground like a dog and took her from walks and exploited her mental illness.
	It's psychotic.
	And you know what?
	He doesn't, I don't even know if he has a fucking mental illness.
	So that's a fucking assumption.
	He sleeps on the floor like a dog at his own return.
	He wanted to.
	I didn't ask him to fucking do that.
	He wanted to do that.
	That was his choice.
	I told him he could sleep on the heaven bed.
	He wanted to.
	If a guy comes over and wants to cut off his arm, are you going to be like, well, it was his choice?
	I told him he could sleep on the bed.
	He chose to sleep on the floor.
	How is that my fucking fault?
	Because you have agency and accountability.
	So does he.
	As an adult, he can choose to sleep on the floor.
	He can choose to sleep on the bed.
	That's not, that doesn't make me a horrible fucking person.
	You have a duty, an accountable duty, because you are mentally well.
	So if he wants to sleep on the floor, I should say, hey, get up on the bed.
	Get up on the bed.
	Get up on the bed.
	Because that is not fair to me to tell a person how they should be living their life.
	If he wants to live on the floor, he can live on the floor.
	If he wants to live on the bed, he can get up on the bed and sleep on the bed.
	I gave him that option.
	But if you didn't play the part of him being your pet, would he still do that?
	If you just treat him like a normal human being instead of a dog?
	I mean, I don't, I don't think that's a good idea.
	Because if that's what he wants, then maybe if you just stop doing that, he wouldn't find use with you of that anymore.
	Well, I mean, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I just told him he could sleep on the bed.
	I never said, hey, you can do this or you want this.
	He chose to sleep on the floor.
	That was.
	Yeah, well, look how quick those fake tears dried up.
	Wow.
	Cool, bro.
	That's really great.
	Awkward.
	Someone asked a question earlier.
	We didn't do a very good idea.
	I like that you invalidate the fact that someone actually has emotion because you think that I'm some psycho, but yeah, you actually think you're some god, right?
	Like you think you're the best dog.
	I don't think I'm a god.
	But here's the thing, right?
	It's like, it's not godly.
	It's not, it's not me thinking about you.
	Are you God?
	But to tell him you stop being a fucking horrific human being and bring a man with me or putting him on the floor, treating him, making him a human being.
	I didn't put him on the heaven floor and I made that very clear.
	I gave him the option to sleep on the bed.
	I gave him that option.
	I didn't say, hey, go sleep on the floor.
	I didn't tell him to sleep on the floor.
	He has the option to sleep on that bed.
	He chose to do that.
	So he has every right to do that or he has every right to sleep on the bed.
	He has a 30-year-old man.
	He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do.
	I just, I gave him the option as a bed.
	He has no responsibility, no accountability, no duty whatsoever.
	What, do you want me to grab him by his arms and put him on my heaven bed?
	No.
	I'm not in control.
	How about what he does?
	Can you get him some help?
	I don't know how.
	I'm not in control of a fucking 30-year-old.
	You don't have to be in control.
	He can go.
	He can go to anything to get the resources.
	If you're in charge to the point where you can treat him like a coat rack and hang your jacket on him, do you think you can't take him?
	You think if you say, hey, boy, come on and get in the car because I'm going to take you over to the clinic so that they can get you mentally evaluated.
	He's not going to go with you.
	You just don't have any duty here.
	No, I mean, I've taken him to get an Obama phone.
	He has an Obama phone.
	I've taken him to get food stamps.
	I've put in the time to actually take care of this person and make sure they're trying to get steps towards going somewhere else.
	Because you get off on torturing him.
	No, I don't.
	Yeah, you do.
	Otherwise, you wouldn't make him stand as a coat rack and hang your coats.
	I don't necessarily offers to take people's coats.
	Like he offers to actually help out.
	I mean, the story kind of changes by the second so that you could make it sound like it's less horrible than what it is.
	You have a duty.
	You have a responsibility.
	You're crying because it's the first time anybody's ever told you that.
	How did you get through life?
	How did you get this far in life without somebody telling you that you're not allowed to do that to people?
	Because maybe you're making it seem bad worse than it actually is.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Yeah, maybe you're making it try to seem like it's not as bad as it actually is because that's another form of validation to look at me.
	Okay.
	Alrighty then Okay well we have Going to Unless Sandra Did you have more You shit on me For crying When you say It's not okay for me Yeah Yeah, good, cry.
	Good.
	I'll shit on you.
	You know, I'm not shitting on you for crying.
	You said, are you really fucking crying right now?
	Absolutely.
	And then you said I should fucking cry.
	So what?
	Make up your body and mind.
	Good, good, cry.
	Good.
	Yeah, I fucking will cry.
	You need to.
	What you're doing is horrific.
	Good, cry about it.
	Cry more.
	What the fuck?
	You say that I'm the fucking YouTube one.
	You're telling me to fucking go cry.
	That's like gone from the.
	Yeah.
	Fucking want to be my dom.
	Why don't you fucking be my dom while you're at it?
	Tell me what the fuck you do.
	Tell me when I should go to the fucking bathroom.
	You want him to be your dad?
	Andrew, she's looking for it.
	She's switching roles.
	She was the sub.
	Or no, she was the dom.
	Now she wants to be a sub.
	Andrew's a married man, just letting me know.
	So he's probably not available.
	He's not available as his representative, as his agent, as his PR person.
	He's not available to Dom you.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't want that, but I'm just saying he's telling me what to do.
	He's a very good person.
	So it's probably you want to be my dad.
	You would be a good dom.
	Tell me to cry.
	What the fuck is happening right now?
	Yeah, this is what's happening.
	Let's go back to the question.
	Ultimately, I'm very much a very kind man.
	And what you're doing is more.
	You sound like a very fucking kind man in the most distracted.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Because here, the actual victim, the actual victim who's not you is who you should be crying for, not for you.
	Great question.
	Anyways, that was an exchange that happened.
	So, okay, we have Graffito tagged.
	He asked like three questions.
	I'll pull it back up.
	I think we can only do $200.
	Girls, do men expect extremely kinky slash weird stuff in bed due to corn becoming more extreme?
	Can you give examples?
	Have you ever had to break up because a sex sector guy wanted was too crazy for you?
	Anybody?
	Anybody?
	Nope.
	I think threesome's a little bit crazy.
	Like, my ex would be like, oh, you want to do a threesome?
	I'm like, no, that's disgusting to me.
	By the way, guys, just a reminder for the, I mean, I know we don't always like really disclose this, but typically we just do one question per message.
	It gets complicated if there's like three different questions.
	Just to be fair to you, Graffito.
	Has a guy, how about this?
	Has a guy ever like asked you to do something that you just were like, nah.
	And you think maybe it's because he was like a fucking porn DGen?
	I had a guy ask me to shit in his mouth one day.
	That's disgusting.
	I couldn't do it.
	Oh, no.
	What if he paid you to do it?
	No.
	No.
	Like a mill?
	No.
	You want to do it for a mill?
	No.
	10 minutes.
	I'd be too shy.
	I'd be on someone to do it.
	No, that's the health.
	I was like, my gosh.
	Yeah, health violation, I think.
	All right, Graffito tag.
	There you go.
	You got what you wanted.
	I was severely sick by dealing with that.
	Was it a white guy?
	Is it peeing on people?
	Actually, he was French, like European, so.
	Oh, no.
	Don't bring up the money.
	And the mouth?
	No, the family people created.
	Did he ask you in person?
	Like, face to face?
	He messaged me.
	And then he asked me also what I ate that day.
	Oh my god, this man had mental illness for sure.
	Oh, yeah, but I didn't do it.
	I just, yeah.
	All right.
	So extremely, oh boy, all right, Lucas.
	What a vital dog shit.
	Okay, that's crazy.
	You know what?
	I can't read that first part.
	You know what?
	My ancestors in ancient are you Greek, Lucas?
	Would do to use.
	Damn, chill out, Lucas, bro.
	Not sure if the TTS is appropriate, you think, bro?
	I can't read the rest.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	But all right.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	I appreciate the messages.
	Relationship status?
	In a relationship.
	How long have you been together?
	Six months or so.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	Nine years.
	All right.
	Any kids?
	Nope.
	Ever married?
	Nope.
	Engaged.
	Planned a whole wedding, but it was canceled.
	I see.
	The nine-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I guess he would say me.
	You broke up with him.
	All right.
	The six-month relationship.
	How did y'all meet?
	Oh, we met at the Jalapi Theater in 2010, actually.
	So we've kept in touch as friends.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Deborah's not here, unfortunately.
	So we're going to have to get into why don't we do.
	Let's do a quick Twitch shout-out.
	Then we'll get into.
	We got some juicy questions here.
	So let's go to Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	It's been four minutes since we had a prime.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	Check if you have a prime sub available, boys.
	Yo, Jelly, thank you for the follow.
	Appreciate it.
	And the prime.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	That's twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Why don't I get into my pre-show notes?
	We'll wait for Deborah to get her relationship status.
	So we have Emily.
	That's you.
	You found out your ex cheated on you, so you made a fake Snapchat account to ask the girls about it.
	You got her FaceTime.
	So this is the previous ex.
	Then you guys are you guys still friends?
	Or were friends?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, the ex that cheated on me.
	How did he cheat on you?
	Like, he fucked her?
	So he was like, can I say like incriminating stuff on here?
	His job was basically to do like drop off the.
	Yeah.
	So it wouldn't be like random behavior for him to like be waiting at a park or outside of a neighborhood for a little bit.
	Wait, how long were you dating this guy?
	I think for a year.
	How soon into the relationship did you know he was a drug dealer?
	Like halfway through?
	Because he wasn't always like, it was something kind of new that he started it.
	Yeah.
	Okay, was he involved in other kinds of illicit contacts?
	Like, I don't know, scamming people or anything?
	No, just like that.
	That one.
	What kind of drugs was he selling?
	Not too much now.
	I can't be saying all that.
	What was he selling?
	But he was just the driver.
	He was just the mule.
	That's it.
	He was in possession of the drugs and he would drop it somewhere.
	But what was he?
	Blow.
	Cocaine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	Meth.
	I didn't really ask too much.
	It's safe to assume it's all.
	And how soon into the relationship did you, like, did he talk to you about this?
	Yeah.
	We would watch like power and stuff together.
	He was like all about that scarface life.
	Like.
	And this wasn't.
	So wait.
	You said it was six months into the one-year relationship?
	That I found out he was cheating?
	No, that you found out he was selling drugs.
	Oh, well, both.
	Yeah.
	Both.
	Okay.
	That wasn't an issue for you, the drug dealing?
	No, as long as I wasn't involved in it, and he was like safe with what he was doing.
	It was just kind of not my way of doing it.
	It was like what he was doing with his brother.
	So that's like family business.
	I was like, whatever.
	How can you find both of those things out at the same time?
	Was he a white guy?
	What was his race?
	Just courage?
	Hispanic.
	Hispanic guy?
	Okay.
	Just because it was just kind of coincidence.
	Like, I was going through his Facebook and his Spotify, like, the social medias that you would, I guess, least think to check.
	And then, I don't know, I guess women's intuition, I had a feeling that the house that he was at wasn't just no drop-off he was doing.
	Yeah, I can't even make this up to you.
	I don't understand this, like, woman's intuition thing.
	Like, if you guys had such good intuition, why do you constantly date terrible people?
	Well, he wasn't a cheater then.
	I don't know.
	I guess.
	But wouldn't like the you have this intuition about them cheating.
	Why didn't the intuition tell you earlier that this was a cheater?
	Maybe he wasn't a cheater then.
	But then, I don't know.
	Maybe he lost feelings.
	Maybe I was crazy and it drove him away.
	Well, you're definitely crazy.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Is that not a red flag, ladies?
	Your dating drug dealer?
	Your intuition doesn't just tell you what you're doing.
	You've been dating a guy for six months and he's like, by the way, babe, I'm selling cocaine and meth and heroin.
	That's not a red flag for me.
	I just like it.
	He's getting money.
	Do you like it?
	No.
	Your boy's like a bad thing.
	Question for you, too.
	You've been in a four-year relationship.
	How long?
	Four years?
	Four years.
	Four years.
	Your boyfriend comes to you tonight after the podcast and says, babe, I am currently a meth.
	And this is breaking bad.
	He also makes the meth, makes the meth, sells the meth, also has cancer.
	Do you just kidding about the last part?
	I'm almost like, what?
	Lung cancer.
	Do you stay with him or do you dump him?
	I feel like for him to be lying that long would be like such a huge red flag.
	No, he just started it like three months ago.
	He hid it from you, but he's coming clean.
	Now he has a bunch of money.
	I don't know.
	It's still a red flag.
	Do you stay with him?
	I don't know.
	I have to be in the situation.
	You're in the situation.
	I actually know your current boyfriend.
	He's currently cooking.
	You're in the situation right now.
	Is he your dealer, Brian?
	Tell me right now.
	Let me find out.
	But what's your like knee-jerk reaction?
	Do you stay with him?
	I don't know.
	I need to talk to this with my mom and be like, he's been lying to me this whole time.
	I think the meth and heroin would be a deal breaker for me.
	Other drugs would be okay, but then the meth and heroin is where I stop.
	I'll draw the line.
	Okay.
	I would stand by mine, to be honest.
	I mean, I would talk to him, though.
	I would be like, stop.
	Andrew, I'd be like, stop.
	You know, it would be fun.
	Would this not, would this be like a lack of loyalty if a girl dumped a guy?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, get that money.
	Want to be unloyal?
	If you don't get locked up or I don't get locked up, like, get that money, baby.
	Well, keep it on the low for a little bit, and then you stop.
	Well, do you guys remember a story of that woman?
	I'm going to look like a bad political commentator for forgetting her name, but there was like pictures of her all over Maryland when I was in college there, whose boyfriend was a drug dealer, and the police came and ran her house and she got shot.
	Anyone who knows anything about politics will story?
	James, something.
	There was a whole protest in Maryland, but she got shot, killed, in the shooting between the police trying to kill her boyfriend, who was a violent drug dealer.
	Breonna Taylor.
	Breanna Taylor.
	And there were pictures of protests.
	Her boyfriend was a drug dealer.
	She knew.
	She was living in the house with him.
	The cops came in.
	I believe either him or somebody in the house fired the cops.
	The cops fired back.
	She was killed in the cross.
	Damn.
	Mr. Basteman donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Andrew, thank you and God bless you for confronting evil with truth.
	Please give this woman a specific call to action to stop this behavior.
	Apologize to this guy and get him mental help.
	Repent.
	Yo, Mr. Baseman.
	Thankful for the TTS.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Into the mic if you are.
	It's already in the works.
	All right.
	Deborah, your relationship status.
	I am single.
	All right.
	My last relationship ended in May.
	And looking for a nice Jewish man.
	All right, cool.
	Longest relationship?
	A little bit under two years.
	Two years.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was a pretty mutual situation.
	He was not mentally well.
	And you made him sleep on the floor?
	No.
	At the edge of the bed.
	Once when we had a twin bed, he fell off.
	But aside from that, no, he just wasn't really in a mentally healthy place.
	And to me, I didn't think it was fair to continue to try and drag a guy along.
	I want a man who is extremely self-sufficient and a leader and not a case that I have to take care of.
	And I mean, you're fairly successful in your own right when it comes to your career.
	So do you need a, I assume you need like a guy to kind of match you or exceed?
	Question mark.
	Yeah, I was like waiting to see where that was going.
	It's funny because a lot of people who try setting me up, they're like, I have this guy, he's super obsessed with politics.
	I'm like, that's what I do.
	I don't need a match who's like obsessed with politics or does the same thing.
	But the biggest thing for me is my career is I'm very passionate about it.
	It's not only my career, it's my passion.
	I love every second of what I do, truly.
	And a person who's not passionate is extremely unattractive to me.
	So they can have a corporate job doing what they have to do.
	But then as long as they have some passion and something that they genuinely love and care about, that's a good place to start.
	But I do, I'm learning as I get older, I need somebody who's incredibly intelligent because being intellectually stimulated, for me, I need that in a relationship.
	I could not marry somebody that I can't have deep theological conversations with or talk about law or talk about things.
	So I just keep making the, and I'm five foot nine, so which circle is a little bit small.
	I'm a sapiosexual, so I'm completely attracted to sapiosexual.
	Sapiosexual, it means you're attracted to men that are intelligent or intelligence in general.
	I think that's just good taste.
	Have you IQ tested any of your previous like boyfriends or anything?
	No.
	Well, the last one, like the only one.
	He was smart, but he was like, have you ever dated a guy who, like, when he's reading, he's reading a book, he has to like follow with his finger?
	Oh, no.
	You know them?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I haven't dated one of those.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't think I would have to do that.
	Sometimes they do that on menus.
	I can't lie.
	On menus, I just got to make sure the ingredients are for which dish, you know?
	Yep.
	But so would you date a guy who you said you got to date a guy who's passionate, right?
	Would you date a guy who's passionate about anarcho-capitalism?
	In girl language, please.
	Don't you have a degree in political science?
	Yeah, we did not learn about anarch capitalism.
	Anarcho-capitalism.
	Yeah, anarcho-anarcho-capitalism.
	It's like the idea of laissez-faire capitalism.
	I believe it's like kind of it's not libertarian but it's like it is libertarian for sure Well, but it's different than libertarian, though.
	No, I mean, it's a pinnacle of most libertarian beliefs, some sort of anarcho-capitalism, the idea that the market is never regulated or restrained because goods will reduce in pricing if you don't do that.
	So would you date somebody who's passionate about anarcho-capitalism?
	I mean, that just sounds like a weirdo, honestly.
	I was thinking more like cars or music or whatever.
	What if they're really passionate about Pamela Harris 2028?
	I unfortunately don't think that would work because I only date men who are masculine and I've never heard of a masculine man who voted for Campbell Toehat.
	What about like Arnold Schwarzenegger though?
	Camelot got the endorsement.
	Like, would you date, like, young Arnold?
	And would he still be a Kamal supporter?
	Get to the chop.
	Yeah, I would never date anybody who voted for Kamal Harris or Joe Biden for that matter because I think it means they have horrible judgment.
	Yes, they do.
	And I also think that to have a strong-to-have common sense, basically, to have ideological similarities and to have the same values.
	You forgot your hat.
	This match is my top.
	Perfect.
	Thank you.
	I needed this.
	Would you guys, who here would date a Trump supporter?
	Going around the table?
	I don't.
	I would not.
	I don't mind.
	Is your boyfriend a Ma?
	Is he MAGA?
	Okay.
	Yes, I would.
	Yeah.
	Is your boyfriend MAGA?
	Not really.
	Could I have you just scoot your mic that way a little bit?
	What about you?
	Would you date a Trump supporter?
	I'm not too into politics, so yes.
	I guess if he doesn't inflict his views on me, he does inflict.
	He inflicts.
	No.
	There's a lot of infliction.
	We don't need no controlling partner.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	100%.
	100%.
	Okay.
	Did you vote for Kanye or who do you vote for?
	You seem like a Kanye voter.
	No, I'm 100% Trump.
	I love Trump.
	Kanye voters.
	Fixer.
	What about you?
	I would.
	Are you a Trumpy or?
	I don't.
	I don't know.
	I'm like a libertarian.
	I'm dating someone that's very, very, anarcho-capitalist.
	I guess that was.
	I guess.
	You're dating somebody who's very what?
	Liberal.
	Wait, you're dating.
	Why would you do that?
	It's just, you know, we met in 2010.
	He.
	Yeah.
	You go right into the mic, right in the mic.
	Yeah, you're a little quiet, so we need you like right on the mic.
	Sorry, yeah, I don't know.
	All he does is talk about politics, to be honest.
	And I kind of keep quiet.
	Oh.
	Based?
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Did you vote?
	Did he vote too?
	I wasn't registered.
	I just moved to California.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	The answer is yes for me.
	You didn't vote, right?
	I didn't answer.
	So yeah, so if you didn't vote, then you didn't nullify the vote of any of the good Trump supporters.
	So I mean, you did a good thing.
	All right.
	And so in any case, I've been single for six months.
	Any prospects, though?
	Is there any guys kind of in the picture?
	Oh, for me?
	Yeah, for you, Deborah.
	Honestly, no.
	I mean, there may be people that I know that I think are whatever you said before that I think could be good men, but I'm a big believer.
	And I don't know if it's just me.
	This might be like a popular thing, but I don't really waste my time.
	And unless the person I'm meant to be with is a very specific kind of person that wouldn't just fit any box.
	They would fit my box.
	And I can usually tell that even before I go on a date with them.
	So unless they're really somebody truly special that I can really see myself marrying and building a life with, like I'm really only dating for that.
	Okay.
	Would you date Matt Gates?
	Absolutely not.
	Are there any politicians?
	By the way, why not?
	Why wouldn't you date Matt Gates?
	Is he on the police?
	Well, he's married.
	That's first off.
	Okay, but if he wants to.
	Just I don't know legally.
	You got like your eye on anybody or in like in the political sphere.
	Well, being Jew, that's another thing.
	Like I can only marry somebody who's Jewish, and I wish there was more, you know, conservative Jews.
	That's in Judaism.
	You can only marry another Jew.
	It's just like part of Judaism.
	Well, I mean, it depends.
	Is it religious?
	Are you saying from the religious perspective or from the ethnic perspective?
	Because my understanding is from the ethnic perspective.
	It is from the ethnic perspective.
	Our Jewish women are the most likely, in fact, to marry outside of other Jews.
	Well, there has been the biggest thing is that the majority of Jews are reform, which means that they don't observe much of Judaism.
	They're Jewish ethnically, but it's a race, religion, ethnicity, everything.
	So for me, I was raised modern Orthodox, which is pretty religious.
	Yep, you know, love Shabbat, kosher, everything like that.
	So you're a practice?
	Yes, I'm pretty religious, so therefore I need a husband who can rap to fill in every morning, take the kids to yeshiva.
	Would you ever convert to Christianity?
	I would never.
	I love being Jewish.
	So you wouldn't date, so you wouldn't date any Christians then?
	I wouldn't date them to marry them, but I do have a soft spot in my heart for Christian men.
	I love them.
	I don't know why.
	They're just really messing around with them, but you wouldn't marry one.
	Well, wait, what was the question?
	You'd like to mess around with one, but you wouldn't marry them.
	No, like, maybe I'd flirt with one here and there, but I wouldn't like seriously date them because, again, for me, it's about marriage.
	And I'm sure being busy, a lot of guys experience this and women too.
	But I have so much going on at all times that for me, the time that I have to put towards somebody else, I want to make sure that they're really worth it.
	And I just, it's pretty easy for me to tell right away within like the first even few minutes of meeting somebody if I would ever want to date them because I'm not looking for a man.
	I'm looking for a husband, a leader, provider, in not just a financial sense, but like in every sense of like a true biblical man.
	And he has a couple of people.
	There's not a lot of like the idea here of practicing, even practicing Orthodox Jews are mostly progressives in the United States.
	Yeah, it's about 2 to 3% who are Orthodox, modern Orthodox, with about 98% being liberal.
	It makes it even smaller.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	Now, you have a dual citizenship.
	Have you thought about an Israeli husband?
	I do not have dual citizenship.
	I don't know why you would think that I did.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought I read that in the last super chat that you had dual citizenship.
	Oh, well, that's probably a troll.
	A lot of people love to say, because I'm Jewish and American, that I have dual loyalties to Israel, but I am only an American citizen.
	I only have American citizenship, but I do love Israeli men.
	I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to make it accurate.
	I don't think it was a nefarious question.
	I think you just read whatever, but I do love Israeli men.
	I think they're great.
	I would marry an Israeli, absolutely.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And let's see here.
	We do have a chat from Lucas.
	What weirdo, literally, Javier Millet.
	Afu calls himself an anarcho-capitalist, often attributed to Austrian School of Economics, Maria and Rothbard.
	But dudes like Michael Malice, Dave Smith, love the concept.
	I debated Dave Smith on Piers Morgan's show.
	If that's the representation of anarcho capitalism, then I very much would never date somebody because everything he said, he was like, the Iranian people, they hate Israel.
	I was like, the Iranian people have been oppressed by an Islamic regime.
	Women can't talk anymore.
	They were on the beaches 40 years ago.
	The Iranian people do not support jihad.
	They want freedom.
	And he's like, oh, yeah, you're probably right.
	We can't dive in to this topic.
	No, I'm not diving in.
	I'm just giving the example of Dave just completely switching his opinion in that moment.
	But I do know Dave Smith pretty well.
	I've debated with him myself.
	This was Christian ethics versus libertarianism.
	Are you saying you beat Dave Smith in a debate?
	No, it wasn't a beat.
	I said if that was a representation of an anarcho capitalist, then absolutely not.
	I wouldn't date them because it seems that they don't really have a backbone, but bless his heart.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's a real smart guy, as far as I know.
	All right, cool.
	We have a chat here from the great Stiffler.
	Ask everyone, we have to, you know what?
	We're going to wait until we have the full panel here.
	So we'll come right back to that one.
	But getting back into some of the notes, I'm going to try to finish the notes, then we'll get into the questionnaires.
	So let's see.
	We have Gina.
	Gina.
	You've only dated two men in your entire life.
	Yeah, we went over that.
	You're super territorial and jealous.
	Wait, what?
	Right.
	Just super territorial and jealous.
	No, Oh, the men were the men you dated were super.
	Yeah, like my ex, I guess.
	I see.
	Wait, we should play prank on your friend.
	You take her seat, and then she.
	I just want you to take her seat, really?
	I'm just curious.
	Okay, me?
	Yeah, like take her seat.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Just do it.
	She's gonna be like that.
	Do a little switcheroo.
	Okay.
	You also said modern dating is not really your cup of tea.
	Like meeting people online or through messages is kind of weird.
	Granted, you've been in two kind of back-to-back long-term relationships, right?
	So let's see.
	You also like, you wanted to speak on hookup culture.
	You had opinions on OnlyFans, opinions on sneaky links, lol.
	If you can just scoot to the table a little more, but yeah, go ahead.
	So, what's the question?
	Oh, I mean, so your opinion on OnlyFans is anybody wait.
	You're the only one that does OF, right?
	I don't know, actually, I just post pictures.
	You're too far.
	Just a reminder, you gotta be new to date.
	I guess so, yes.
	Nobody else here does OnlyFans.
	No one's gonna do that.
	I do something called Sex Panther.
	Ever, ever, ever.
	You do sex work, though, right?
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	What's your opinion on OnlyFans?
	Oh, no, you guys asked me what type of topics.
	That's like the topics I chose.
	I don't really have any.
	Tilt the mic down just a little bit.
	Yeah, I don't really have any opinions.
	I just wanted to, like, you know, that was just like a topic I threw up here.
	Okay.
	All right, then I guess moving on to Callie, Callie, over here.
	You're we already talked about the professional hot girl shapeshifter.
	You said you've practiced non-monogamy for years.
	You have lots of unique dating experiences and stories.
	More so recently, since being separated and dating as single instead of married, you experience men trying to jump right into a relationship with you after even the first or second date.
	And you think that this is really strange.
	I do have a question for you on this.
	So what would you prefer then?
	Like they just keep you in the situationship for six months while fucking three other women?
	I mean, I like taking the time to get to know someone, especially because I have a child in the picture.
	I feel like it's really important for me to fully vet someone before investing myself in them and my daughter's life.
	So it's really important to me to take my time to get to know someone.
	And I think it's weird if they just want to like jump right into a relationship with me because it just seems like they just want to own me.
	They don't really care about getting to know me.
	They don't care about knowing if we're compatible.
	I don't know what they bring to the table for me and my daughter.
	So.
	Can you just tilt your mic down just a bit?
	So, but wouldn't this be difficult to begin with?
	Because you're polyamorous, right?
	So I mean, that's kind of off the table, right?
	What do you mean?
	Well, I mean, like, they want to be well, I guess they could jump right into a polyamorous relationship with you, right?
	Right.
	But I mean, I'm not totally sure.
	Like, what is the difference between dating somebody and being in a poly, like, like, just what's the what changes once you become in a relationship?
	You know, there's boundaries and expectations like any relationship.
	Only difference is you have that to multiple people.
	Yeah, but I could have boundaries on the second date with somebody.
	When have you ever done that?
	I do it all the time.
	How?
	Give me examples.
	What do you mean?
	We'll say things, things like that.
	I don't want you to date other people.
	On the second date?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Even on the first date, even before I meet them.
	Well, I know this is funny to you because I know this is funny to you, but yeah.
	That's really interesting.
	Why is that interesting?
	I mean, I just disagree.
	Sure, that's fine.
	You know, I have a child in the picture, and I learned a lot from my previous marriage, what I don't want in the partner, and I want to make sure that doesn't happen to me again.
	Sure.
	And I feel like, you know, maybe the problem with that was, you know, we rushed right into a relationship without really taking the time to get to know each other.
	And I regret that.
	You know, I love my daughter.
	I don't regret her for one second.
	She's one of the best things that's ever happened to me.
	But yeah, I really want to take my time getting to know people.
	And also, I feel like I just have a very relaxed approach to dating.
	Like, I'm like, I'm down to get to know you and see where it goes.
	But, yeah.
	Yeah, I'll give you a quick example, though, at least for me.
	So, if I go on that first date with a girl, for example, and I'm interested in pursuing her, like an immediate boundary I'd put down is if you want a second date, there can't be other men in the picture.
	You got to have no roster, right?
	Basically, how do you know that from the first date?
	Well, I mean, I would even before meeting her, I might ask, are there other men in the picture?
	Are you dating other men?
	And if there are, I'm very unlikely to even go on the date.
	Well, that's interesting.
	I'm just, I'm not monogamous and I haven't ever been, so I guess I don't really understand.
	But it's just not how my brain works.
	Well, I mean, I know it's not what you do, but like, certainly you could understand that, for example, for somebody who's inclined towards monogamy, the idea of, for example, having sex with somebody while they're having sex with someone else might be disgusting.
	For me, that would be 16.
	I mean, you know, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
	Well, I don't think it's opinion.
	I actually do think it's a fact for two people to be simultaneously insofar as the STD risk.
	I mean, STDs are disgusting.
	Yeah, so I mean, that's actually like a boundary of mine: I don't hook up with someone or I'm not, you know, sexually involved with them unless we've both been tested and they show that to me.
	So that was always parameters.
	That's always been your standard.
	That's always been the case.
	You've never had a spontaneous sexual encounter.
	No.
	You've never had a spell.
	No, not since, you know, I mean, the past five years into now.
	Okay, what about before then?
	I mean, when I was younger, I was.
	You've had spontaneous sexual encounters that did not have to.
	Let's go get an STD test.
	But you have had them, right?
	It's not a knock.
	People do it all the time, but you have had spontaneous encounters.
	Yeah, but like we're talking about right now, so I'm not really sure why that matters.
	Sure.
	Well, I'm happy to engage with you even when it comes to your current standard.
	So even if you have an STD test, there could be a false negative, there could be a false positive.
	Certain things might not come up on the STD test.
	Also, most people aren't taking full panel STD tests.
	They might do like gonorrhea, chlamydia.
	I'm aware.
	Huh?
	I'm aware.
	Yeah, like they're not really, like, I'm pretty sure.
	Like, if you go to your doctor, like, hey, can I get an STD test?
	They're not checking for HPV.
	They're not checking for herpes.
	Sometimes these things don't even show up on the STD test.
	Frankly, like, the STDs you ought to be concerned about are the permanent ones, HPV, herpes, HSV.
	So these are not typically tested for, although like chlamydia and gonorrhea, that would suck to get.
	I mean, these are treatable, they're curable.
	That's typically what they're testing for.
	They're typically not going to test for like really the major one, which is like going to be herpes.
	I mean, I agree with you.
	HPV is the one that causes cervical cancer in women.
	I know a lot of women get the jab for that one, but it still doesn't necessarily reduces your risk of getting cervical cancer.
	But in any case, I'm not sure if the STD test is going to be like a hundred-fool-proof plan for protecting you from STDs.
	And if you're engaging in sexual conduct with like multiple, multiple people, it like does increase your risk of STD.
	So that's why it's disgusting.
	Just use condoms.
	Yeah, I mean, well, if you ask someone to get a test and a full panel, which I'm full aware of, I mean, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying.
	Yeah, you know, like most panels that people get don't include that unless you specifically ask for it and it's a blood test.
	Of course, it's different.
	I'm aware of that.
	Sure.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	But yeah, I mean, you know, and use protection on top of that.
	So.
	I mean, even if you use protection, though, like, I mean, herpes, the big one, like, it can be on other parts of the pubic private area.
	Yeah, I mean, my mom has it, and my best friend has it.
	So I'm very aware of what it is and, you know, contraindications and how it's transmissed and how it affects people in their life.
	Something I'm very aware of.
	So I practice safe sex always.
	How can you, I mean, when it comes to herpes, how can you practice safe sex?
	You ask for a test.
	No, I know, but like wearing a condom is not going to prevent you from getting herpes.
	So if they have a rash, you would be able to see that, you know?
	It could be pre-symptomatic or in their mouth.
	I mean, it's more likely to be transmissed if they have rash.
	It's disgusting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but like, in I mean, I'm not really sure why my sex life is interesting to you.
	Can you talk about something else?
	I mean, it's can you stop sexualizing me?
	How am I sexualizing you?
	Asking about my sex life.
	How would that be sexualizing you?
	You're on a dating podcast to talk about dating-related topics.
	I said I'm happy to talk about other things.
	This just seems like a weird topic.
	How's a weird topic?
	I just feel like this is really what you want to talk about.
	You know, I've said my stance.
	You just want to.
	Okay, then go ahead, keep talking.
	Anything else you'd like to do?
	I mean, you were, so you were asking me, the genesis of this conversation was you asked me, hey, this is not how I operate in my relationships.
	And then I was like giving you an example of, oh, it's a rap.
	I don't like if you want a second date with me, you can't be seeing other men.
	And one of the reasons for this, and I have a couple reasons, but one of the main reasons is if she's sleeping with another guy, there's a higher risk of getting an STD.
	And even if she's sleeping with a man, she doesn't have an STD, he doesn't have an STD, it's still the thought of it is disgusting.
	I mean, you're entitled to your opinion.
	Well, again, I don't think it's an opinion.
	I just think it's fact.
	Like the idea of another man's semen being inside her and then I'm fucked, that's disgusting.
	It's a really weird way to look at it, buddy.
	I mean, how, why is it weird?
	I mean, she's your object.
	You own her after you got a first date with her.
	No, but I mean, it's like implying that, okay, she's mine.
	I want to be the only penis that goes inside her.
	Yes.
	Monogamous relationship.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Same thing with.
	If you want to call that controlling, that I don't want my girl, like the girl I'm dating, I don't want her to fuck other men.
	If you want to call it controlling, then I'm controlling.
	Like, I personally wouldn't want my boyfriend fucking other people, but you can agree to disagree.
	That's your opinion.
	You asked my opinion.
	How's that controlling?
	How's that controlling, though?
	I don't understand.
	That's my opinion to me.
	And the way I live my life is different, and that's okay.
	We can agree to disagree.
	That person is gross too.
	I think it's gross too.
	See, there we go.
	Cosign from a woman.
	Yeah, because I would hate for my boyfriend to be fucking random bitches raw and then coming home and fucking me.
	And that's a disgusting.
	I don't want to be like, I mean, thinking somebody else, and then me afterwards, like the fuck?
	Sorry, this is, I just can't do that.
	Okay.
	I'm monogamous.
	Count underscore Matthew underscore to underscore underscore tour donated $200.
	Shalom, shalom, Deborah.
	I love you, Brian.
	Andrew, I stand in battle with you.
	To the wooers, I rebuke you in the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
	Search Touch no laws higher than truth.
	Good night.
	Yo, Count Matthew, thank you for the TTS, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Yeah, I wasn't trying to attack you, but you were just asking, like, why I might even, after a first date, already start being like, don't want you seeing other men.
	That's one of the reasons.
	And also, I want a woman's exclusive romantic and sexual attention immediately, like as soon as possible.
	I think that's how dating should always be personally.
	I think it's the best way, and I've said this my whole life.
	My last relationship, we started officially dating after two weeks after we met.
	And I think that's, and then we only broke up a few months later because in that time, we really got to know each other, see if it was compatible or not, really give it a best shot to see if we could fall in love.
	And ultimately, we decided it just wasn't a perfect match.
	And I think modern day where you're dating a bunch of people and you're having all these partners and you just really don't give that opportunity to see if you can really fall in love, that leads to a lot of premature breakups or problems.
	And personally, not even sex.
	I would never, like, I don't like going out with people who are going out with other people because it's just a sign of lack of seriousness.
	If you have five people on your list, you're not giving that same level of attention.
	And while I totally agree, it's so important to like really who your partner is going to be, who your husband's going to be is like the most important decision a woman can make in her whole life.
	Nobody should take that lightly.
	Like we should definitely all do expert research, find out if they're going to be able to do it.
	I'll be stewards for sure.
	Make sure they don't want to bark like a dog first off.
	But aside from that, I really, I understand that.
	But I also think for me as a monogamous person, that it just icks me out too.
	Like, why would I want to go out with somebody who's taking 20 other girls out?
	He clearly doesn't care that much about me.
	And I know a lot of girls who go on like multiple dates in one day.
	And I always say to them, like, how can you even really give your full energy, attention, and really think about what do I like about this guy?
	Because you know, if one little thing doesn't go right, instead of really thinking like, oh, maybe it was a weird fluke or maybe I have to learn more about this, you're like, whatever.
	I have another date later today.
	So I wish everybody would be monogamous.
	I think Hinge and social media and all these dating apps have encouraged people to not be monogamous.
	They've done the opposite effect where people think they have unlimited options.
	They can just swipe through, oh, my girlfriend dummy, that's fine.
	I can literally get any random girl to have sex with off my phone.
	I don't even have to leave my house.
	I could Uber her over here.
	And I think it's one of the worst things to ever happen to modern relationships.
	And the marriage rates and the level of children and everything like that has reflected that that is truth.
	And I've got to do that.
	And this city's rates go up as well.
	And I mean, that's a great point, Deborah.
	And this was pretty much the standard up until about maybe like 20 years ago.
	I think this is how most people moved.
	It was like, okay, you kind of date one person at a time.
	If it works, great.
	If it doesn't, next one.
	Now people are like, yeah, I mean, now people are, you know.
	Well, what about having platonic friends?
	Like, how's that relevant to the conversation?
	Well, if it's not romantic.
	Like, you said a woman should have any guys in their life.
	I didn't say that.
	Okay, well, I just wanted to say that.
	I mean, it is a separate conversation.
	I typically would prefer a woman to not have a bunch of male friends.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's necessarily a deal breaker, but I mean, obviously, she cannot be like friends with her ex-boyfriend.
	You have to be like, what's the term?
	Like, no contact.
	No contact with prior sexual partners.
	Okay, yeah.
	That is.
	But what about if she has like a baby daddy and the guy's okay dating her, but they can't really cut that cord.
	But they don't really want to be like close with the baby daddy.
	Can you speak straight into the mic?
	They don't want to be close with baby daddy, but they still have to have that connection due to a drawing.
	Well, I mean, yeah, in that case, you're forced, but I mean, I think doesn't mean Brian marry her.
	I mean, I think there are like typical, generally, there are like women who are single moms who are fantastic or whatever who would make good partners.
	But generally speaking, I think if you're a single guy, you don't have children.
	I do think it's going to be a sub-optimal dating choice if you have other options to date a single mom.
	But look, there's single moms out there who are wonderful, but oftentimes a lot of men have reported to me and my own experiences.
	Typically, these relationships are a little more difficult.
	There's other concerns there.
	Like you said, you have to consider, okay, are they?
	Well, single moms say it too, right, Brian?
	I mean, single moms themselves report that these are tougher relationships, right?
	And the recommendation that if you're going to get into something like that, it's going to be tough.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	It's going to be tough.
	I mean, both sides know that that's the case.
	Yeah.
	Anytime children are involved, I think it just makes it adds an extra layer there.
	Yeah.
	Someone said it's like dating two people but not actually dating a child.
	It's just like getting to know two different people and do different personalities.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, if I'm interested in a girl, I mean, obviously the context in which we meet is going to matter.
	But I mean, I would probably like vet them before I even go on the first date to see if it's even worth my time.
	Like, I know it's maybe some people are like, oh, kind of whimsical about it.
	They don't really care.
	I'll go on this date, whatever.
	For me, I will actually do quite a bit of vetting before I even want to meet up with them.
	I'm going to ask them a bunch of questions.
	Some people might think, oh, this is like autistic or whatever, but whatever.
	I don't care.
	Like, I'm just going to maximize my time.
	It's not worth it for me to go on a date with somebody and then get on the date.
	And it's like, oh, okay, well, our values are totally mismatched here.
	I'm going to save you time, save myself time by figuring these things out before we even meet in person.
	If she's like dating three other men, even if she's not having sex with them, not interested.
	If she's having sex with one guy, not interested.
	Total deal breaker.
	Just good enough.
	Where do you meet most of these women?
	Because I think it matters if it's somebody that you're meeting either online or a random person versus like being set up by somebody that you have mutual friends with and stuff.
	Like we can already know.
	Like, where do you meet the most?
	Honestly, want everybody sides of relationship girls to answer that.
	Like, where do you meet girls, Brian?
	Well, so there's like, there's a lot of DMs.
	I mean, there's post-podcast, pre-podcast.
	And I mean, a lot of my experiences have been informed by my like pre-podcast dating experiences where like I was on dating apps and all this stuff.
	And I remember one time, for example, I was on a date with this girl and I met her on Hinge.
	She had just downloaded the app.
	And then within a week, I was on a date with her and she told me, oh, yeah, I've already been on three dates.
	I'm dating, and I have like five dates scheduled for next week.
	I'm like, oh, okay, thank you for telling me that.
	It was nice meeting you, but not interested.
	So I've had a lot of experiences there.
	Post podcast, it's mostly been women contacting me.
	That's like a way superior position to, like, if somebody's trying to get at you, it's just like a much better position to be in.
	So that's probably most not most men's experiences.
	But in that situation, it's actually exceptionally easy to vet.
	And like you can basically bust out the girlfriend application and be like, answer this shit.
	No, I don't.
	There's not a girlfriend application, but it's like if somebody's coming to you, you can be like really selective and be like, okay, let me ask you like a million questions and so forth.
	But if you're on a dating app, aren't you like expected for all the women on there to have like a whole roster basically?
	Because that's what it's for.
	Yeah, I mean, if you're on the dating app, definitely you have to have like most of the women on there probably are dating multiple men.
	There's a good chance they're probably fucking at least one other dude.
	I was on the dating apps for a while.
	So yeah.
	Yep.
	I hate dating apps.
	I don't like them.
	It's hard for me to like kind of speak on this, but I mean, I think you there are good women on the dating apps, but it's like you got to kind of shift through.
	It's like diamond in the rough or whatever.
	Well, I said you wouldn't date a woman who has like multiple dates.
	Yeah.
	But that's kind of like what it app is for to get like multiple dates.
	Well, I mean, you can be on the dating apps and like not trying to like squeeze in seven dates a week.
	There are women on the dating apps who are a bit more selective, and you know, you can find that girl who's like not just like jumping at every single date.
	But I would say the majority of the women on the dating apps probably like dating multiple guys.
	Probably.
	The majority of the men though on dating apps are specifically looking for hookups, and that's why I don't like dating apps because they're not trying to look, especially like Hinge.
	It was the only dating app that I said I would download and I tried it out.
	And I'd find some good guys there that weren't only looking for sex, but the majority of them was like, oh, you want to, can I come over?
	Can you come over?
	I'm just like, you haven't said hi to me, bro.
	Like, and you're already expecting sex for me.
	Lord Jesus donated $200.69.
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	I need beddy buys.
	Really hope I wake up to see that chair one, Cruella Deville 304 and 6, Norman Bates 304, Rage Quit.
	Good luck, boys.
	Godspeed.
	07.
	Yo, Lord Jesus.
	Thank you for the TTS, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Okay, once.
	I'm going to go check on her.
	You can.
	No, it's okay.
	Let's see.
	Where were we?
	We're talking about.
	Oh, we're getting into your notes.
	You said your hot take on dating is that most men date for sport.
	You believe for the feeling of obtaining a woman and the gratification of that, but not necessarily dating for getting to know someone or being chill about that.
	Yeah, I mean, that's just my experience with someone wanting to jump right into a relationship without taking the time to get to know me, you know, after the first date.
	I feel like to men, they see women as a trophy to obtain, you know, and then once they get you, that's it.
	They don't have to continue putting in the work.
	I mean, that was my experience in my five-year marriage.
	You know, certified leaver.
	I'm really, and you're currently like you're, so you're Polly, you're in, you do the open relationship thing.
	How many people are you currently dating?
	I'm not dating anyone.
	I'm focusing on getting divorced.
	I'm focusing on getting my life together.
	Like, okay, how about like casual sex then?
	I don't have casual sex with anyone.
	Semi-serious sex?
	No.
	Are there any guys in the picture in any romantic capacity or sexual capacity whatsoever?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So you're celibate for a period.
	You've been celibate for four months?
	I mean, I definitely have hooked up with someone that I was seeing for a couple months, but it was not great.
	Yeah.
	So I haven't seen anyone since then.
	How many at any one given time, what's the most amount of men that you've been seeing in some capacity?
	Oh, you're you date women too, so I suppose.
	I mean, the most partners, like for me, that's that I max out at is three like three partners romantically involved with dating and relationships with, and that's it for me.
	I mean, I'm not like someone who just needs a bunch of partners or needs a bunch of attention.
	I mean, I don't go on a bunch of dates.
	I don't have time to do that.
	So when I do, I mean, it's, you know, something I care about and it's something I take very seriously.
	But right now, I mean, for me, it's just very casual.
	And I explain that.
	You know, I'm open to healthy connection and experiences.
	So I'm down to go like hang out with people and go on walks and go on picnics and go on hikes.
	But I'm not interested in dating anyone right now or being in a relationship.
	Okay.
	And let me see here.
	Sorry, there's a couple things going on behind the scenes.
	Let's see.
	I don't know how people have enough time in their day to be in a relationship with three different people.
	I feel like one boyfriend is a full-time job.
	Plus, I just want to understand how people do that.
	Yeah, well, when I left my husband, I also broke up with the other partners I had because I realized I really need to focus on my life and her life and figuring out what that looks like for us.
	So, yeah, I mean, I identify as polyamorous, but I'm single and I'm also open to talking to people and getting to know people, but I'm not trying to be in a relationship right now.
	But I enjoy getting to know people, you know, and being.
	Sure.
	And you said you are bi-pan queer, and you have better luck with queer people when it comes to dating casually.
	Yeah.
	And are you.
	So you are a pan, so you'll date, you'll date men, you'll date women, you'll date trans men, you'll date trans women.
	Do I have that correct?
	Correct.
	And non-binary.
	And non-binary.
	Okay.
	So they-thems.
	More love.
	Babies.
	Shout out to my babes.
	They?
	What is the babes, like they babes?
	What's that?
	Like a babe, but a they-them babe.
	So a babe.
	All right.
	I think Allie taught us that last time.
	Allie is a certified.
	I think certified babe is Allie's title.
	Yeah, so I did want to ask you, and I, well, since the topic's already come up, although you didn't seem to disagree on this one, Callie, right?
	Yeah.
	It's not wrong to not want to date a trans person.
	I mean, I think everyone's entitled to their opinions.
	And if you're not, you know, attracted to a queer person or their gender identity, that's fine.
	And that's your choice.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Because we have had some people on the show who say, well, it would be discriminatory or transphobic or wrong to refuse to date somebody because they're trans.
	I think it's technically still queer, in my opinion.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Like, I think, you know, if you're with a trans person, I think you identify as queer.
	Right.
	Yeah, but that's not straight.
	I don't really understand that aspect of it because you clearly you can be a trans person and be heterosexual.
	So because that's, doesn't that actually defeat the meaning of LGBTQ, which is the idea of same-sex relationships, right?
	I mean, I'm honoring their gender identity, you know, but I think.
	So even that can be, even if you did the gender identity thing, you would still have to consider that to be heterosexual if it was, if they were, if they both identify as opposite genders, right?
	So if that's the case, I still don't, even granting that, I still don't understand how it's actually, how they actually go under the umbrella of LGBTQ.
	Yeah, I mean, you just asked my opinion.
	That's your opinion.
	Yeah, but that's why I'm asking.
	Okay. Okay.
	So wait, and I think you didn't even disagree on this one, but just want to double check.
	It's not straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	You agree with that?
	I think it's queer, in my opinion.
	She agrees.
	Okay, she agrees.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Let me see here.
	If we have anybody who we did have, Emily, you disagreed on that one.
	what what was even the yeah so it was the statement was that you disagreed on it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman Yeah, I don't think it's straight.
	I also think it's queer.
	You circled that you disagreed.
	But you agree?
	Yes, that is not straight.
	Oh.
	She agrees big gay.
	Okay.
	I think I circled that to you, maybe, because I do agree it is gay to date a person as trans.
	I think we say queer.
	Queer.
	Oh, sorry.
	It's okay.
	Wait, why would it be queer?
	I thought you said we don't say that word on here.
	Oh, no, you can.
	I mean.
	Well, gay in this comedy.
	If you're using it as an insult, yeah, if it's like an insult.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	It was just in the disclaimer of words we don't say.
	No, it's fine.
	Respect for my transgender buddies always.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We do have, we are going to get to Stiffler's question then.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You want to take that one?
	All right.
	Everyone rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I think I'm a solid eight.
	Okay.
	In my opinion.
	What about you?
	Like in my opinion?
	Yeah, your looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Like nine.
	Okay, what about you?
	It's like a nine, too.
	Nine.
	Nine point nine.
	Seven.
	Eight.
	Seven.
	I'm a ten, baby.
	Remind me to the mic, okay?
	Oh, seven.
	All right.
	Deborah?
	I like to think somewhere between seven and a half and eight.
	All right, I got a lot of money.
	Oh, you're a ten.
	Stay humble, you know.
	Always room to grow, get skinnier.
	Yes, exactly.
	Very true.
	Once I get the snails job, watch out.
	I give myself a five, Andrew.
	What about you?
	Well, I mean, with all the nines in the room, I couldn't be anything less than a ten.
	Wow.
	Wait, why?
	Why are you laughing?
	Why are you laughing?
	You guys don't think so?
	No, you're handsome.
	Yeah, see?
	A 10.
	There you go.
	And then, all right.
	And then I guess related to this question, we do have: do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	So you're 26.
	Will you be better looking at 36?
	Yes, because hopefully a lot less stress.
	I'm going to age backwards like Benjamin Button.
	Okay, what about 20 years' time?
	46?
	Yes, definitely.
	I mean, I take really good care of myself.
	I work out all the time.
	You know, I have vitamins, supplements, super green, super reds, magnesium.
	I mean, really everything you can think of.
	So 30 years' time, 56.
	Yeah, I'm going to be hot.
	40 years' time, 66.
	I mean, I'll think I'll be maybe like a beautiful older woman, like Audrey Hepburn.
	50 years' time, 76.
	I mean, hopefully my legs still work.
	So, okay, just a reminder, the question is: will you be, do you think you'll be more attractive?
	Oh, more attractive?
	10 years, 20 years, 30 years?
	Oh, like compared to now.
	Yeah, so your 76-year-old self is going to be more hot.
	I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question.
	Okay, it's okay.
	No, I mean, I think, you know, probably 10 years from now, I'll be really hot and then I'll just.
	More hot.
	Yes.
	More hot.
	What about 20 years' time?
	Same?
	No, I mean, I think that's not really going to be my concern anymore.
	Just, you know, I'm not always going to be this young and sexy, so I'm just enjoying it.
	Whether it's your concern or not is kind of irrelevant to the question.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know.
	I haven't really thought about it.
	I don't really care that much.
	Like, I don't put that much emphasis on my looks.
	You don't?
	I care more about technology.
	Why do you put hair color?
	Why do you dye your hair?
	Because I'm cute.
	I'm a girl.
	I like to be cute.
	It's fun.
	So you do care about your looks.
	I think it's fun.
	It doesn't mean like that's totally fun.
	No, that's not like the most emphasis I put on in my life.
	Well, I don't understand, like, in this, you can't, in the same sentence, say, I don't care about my looks, but also, like, you wear makeup, you put on fake lashes, you do your hair, you've got tattoos, you clearly care about external physical appearance.
	Yeah.
	I'm saying in that time, like, I will care a lot less about my looks.
	Like I said, I'm not always going to be this young and beautiful.
	Like, I'm not going to rely, you know, or care that much about this forever.
	So, all right.
	Uh, you are, we switched you.
	You're 23, right?
	Or how old are you?
	21. 20.
	21.
	21.
	My bad.
	I got a little confused there.
	Okay, so 21.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
	I feel like yes, but not when I'm older.
	So, 20 years' time, 41?
	41?
	Yeah, I feel like I'll still be hot.
	30 years' time, 51?
	I feel like once I get like a little older, I would probably get work done just to look a little younger.
	That's really it.
	When do you think you'll peak?
	Peak?
	Probably like late 20s.
	Okay, when do you think is like going to be your peak?
	Like 35.
	35, okay.
	Going to you, you're 23, better looking in 10 years' time at 33?
	Yes, definitely.
	I feel like I still haven't glown up like I want to.
	Sure.
	Okay, better looking in 20 years' time at 30.
	Yes, I'm Latina, so I have really good jeans, and my mom's beautiful and she's 51.
	Okay, better looking in 30 years' time at 53.
	Yeah, I believe so.
	Okay, better looking in 40 years' time at 63.
	Maybe, I hope so.
	Like J-Lo and all the, well, they're not 60, but you know, they're older women in the world.
	Do you guys think J-Lo's better looking now versus when she was a single natural thing about her anymore?
	Anybody in celebrity or anybody in Hollywood, all these celebrities do everything from like the blood facials to, I don't know, sounds like that.
	Like Kim Kardashian looks better now.
	I feel like Kim Kardashian looks better now than she did when she was younger, like starting out.
	Don't you agree?
	She's also had probably millions of dollars of plastic surgery done to her.
	So that's the point.
	I guess it matters if you think plastic surgery is attractive or not.
	Not really.
	I mean, I want a nose job.
	That's probably the only work I'll get.
	All right.
	50 years' time at 73?
	More attractive?
	No, definitely not more attractive.
	When's peak?
	Peak would be like in my 30s.
	30, middle.
	Yeah, my 30s.
	All right.
	What about you?
	You are 22, right?
	Better looking in 10 years' time at 32.
	Yeah.
	Better looking in 20 years' time, 42.
	Yeah.
	Better looking in 30 years' time, 52.
	No.
	Okay, when's the peak?
	I'd say like early 30s.
	Early 30s?
	Okay.
	You are 20.
	Let me clarify.
	I don't want to live past 60.
	Thank you for sharing that very relevant piece of information.
	You're 28, better looking in 10 years' time at 38.
	No, I believe everybody peaks when they're young.
	Okay.
	So you're sure.
	Let's go backwards.
	You're 28.
	Were you better looking at 18 than you are now?
	I think I was looking the best.
	Like my peak was like 23.
	Okay.
	But if we had to compare, were you better looking at 18 versus now?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	All right.
	And then you will be better looking now at 28 than you will be at 38.
	I don't know.
	I guess we all age, so I don't know how I'm going to look when I'm 30.
	That probably.
	Assuming you plus 10 years.
	I don't know.
	It could be I could take control and look good or I could go to total shit.
	Who knows how people turn out?
	What do you think?
	I don't think I've ever thought about this.
	You're thinking about it right now.
	I might look better, I think.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I could.
	You said 38.
	38.
	10 years' time.
	Now you're old enough.
	Does anybody find it weird she doesn't want to live past 60?
	Am I the only one that caught that?
	I got that too.
	Why?
	Because our bodies are fucked up by then.
	Like we, like, we break down.
	I don't want to be all like, I have like spine issue.
	I don't really want to live.
	Well, I mean, maybe there will be interventions within 30, 40 years that will, you know, regenerative medicine this or something.
	I hope so.
	I hope you want us to do something different.
	So, going to you, you're 38.
	Will you be better looking?
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 48?
	I like to be optimistic, but I mean, I don't know.
	I want to get more fit, I guess, you know?
	More strong.
	Let me know if you need a trainer.
	Okay.
	So, sorry, was that a yes?
	I don't think so.
	I'm sorry, you're very soft-spoken.
	Realistically, no, I probably will be a little less cuter.
	Okay, and you're 38.
	Are you better looking now, or were you better looking 10 years ago at 20?
	Just let me finish.
	Better looking at 28?
	Probably a little better looking.
	It kind of looked the same.
	And then were you better looking at 18 10 years prior as compared to 28?
	I would agree.
	Okay, so, okay, all right.
	Deborah, you're 24, better looking in 10 years' time at 34?
	I do think so.
	Okay.
	And then better looking in 20 years' time, 44.
	Better than right now?
	Yes.
	Probably not because I plan to have a ton of kids, and I know what that does to a woman's body, but a cold plunge.
	I don't need seed oils.
	I'm all about that.
	RFK.
	Maybe RFK will make us all live forever.
	And then just between 34 and 44, which one will be better looking?
	Probably 34.
	I think early 30s is probably like the peak for women, but my grandma's in her 80s and she's a hottie.
	All right.
	And then, Damien, let me know when we get the Discord going with the age advancements.
	We do have a big super chat here from NAS in LA.
	Thank you, man, so much for the $200 super chat.
	He writes, in 10 years, you three L FOs will be coping with BBLs and Botox to try to look how you do today.
	Stop coping.
	Anybody here going to get a BBL?
	Anybody?
	Isn't the BBL?
	Anybody?
	I go to the gym.
	BBL?
	Don't look at me.
	I was just looking straight at me.
	I looked at everybody.
	I looked at everybody.
	Does anybody here have any plastic surgery?
	Not yet.
	I got my boobs done after breastfeeding for a year.
	You got it?
	All right.
	Guys, we are age-advancing everybody.
	You can go ahead and pull that up.
	No.
	No.
	Oh, wait.
	How dare you.
	That's okay.
	That is my nose.
	Like, why would my nose even look like that?
	What's the age?
	Well, she said she's better looking.
	I said 10 years from now.
	We didn't even do our prime age thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You just said old lady.
	What the hell?
	I mean, that's granny.
	I feel like old ladies also do get that hairstyle, too.
	You know, I know.
	Low-key, the salt and pepper.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, she's not here, but.
	That does not look like you're.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm scared for a minute.
	I'm sure she's not scared for myself.
	I'm not sure.
	She's a runaway bride.
	Whoa.
	Wow.
	Everyone.
	No, I'm next.
	How dare you guys?
	Wait, how old would I be there?
	70?
	Of course, the hottest so far.
	Still look cute.
	All right, next.
	Why do my lips get smaller?
	What?
	All right.
	Mine was the worst.
	No, I think mine was the worst so far.
	I haven't been up yet, so.
	Oh, no.
	Okay.
	I think Grace aged gracefully, hat.
	Fucking Nancy Pelosi.
	Nancy Pelosi.
	Oh, God.
	It's good.
	All right.
	Next.
	Here we go, Deborah.
	Wait, I saw it.
	Okay, Cindy Crawford.
	Thank you.
	I don't believe in fillers or any of that stuff.
	I think it lasts in your skin forever.
	So this is a PSA to any woman.
	Hey, thank you.
	Any woman considering that, you can never get rid of it.
	Even dissolving stuff, it lives forever.
	So thank you.
	I love it.
	All right, we've got next.
	About permittive chorus of next and then of course the aunt.
	Yeah.
	Whoever's doing this, I like the keep doing minus Chad.
	And then Grandpa Andrew, I like that.
	Okay.
	Grandpa Andrew.
	I feel good about myself, bro.
	Looks exactly like my dad.
	That's what we're doing, bro.
	All right.
	All right.
	So let's see here.
	Where were we?
	I guess those of you who said you'll be like better looking in 10, 20, whatever, 30.
	Final question on this.
	Do you think men will find you men?
	Because I know this is your own self-assessment.
	Do you think men will find you more attractive in 10 years' time compared to males?
	Yeah, I think a lot of guys are like into MILFs.
	Like they like older women.
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	MILFs are hot.
	You know, my sister's 60 and she looks like she's 30 and still got, she has trouble like dating.
	Her sister looks like she's 60, but looks like she's 30.
	No, she looks 30 and she's 60.
	Yeah, yeah, that's right.
	I could pull up a picture and you'd be like, she doesn't look her age.
	Like men argue with her in dating trauma.
	Show me the picture.
	I don't believe this.
	Go grab her phone.
	Yeah, go grab your phone.
	Wait, your sister's really 60?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	A 60-year-old that looks like a 30-year-old, maybe an Asian.
	That's all making more sense.
	Asian adult raising.
	I said childhood trauma.
	Yeah, everything in life.
	Maybe an Asian woman.
	Maybe an Asian woman.
	You're right.
	Yeah, Asian woman.
	Even then.
	Asian ladies age very good to very sick.
	60, bro.
	I'm sorry.
	Is that Korean skin?
	Even black men age that very well.
	Black Don't America.
	Black ladies and women in their 20s.
	I had a diCapriol.
	Oh, my God.
	She's like 80 and she looks like she's 50.
	Don't show it on camera.
	Just show it to me, okay?
	But I think the real dance is.
	Rotate the phone once women pass 30.
	Maybe, maybe 40, but I don't think she looks 60.
	She's hot.
	I mean, she's got a filter.
	She's using a filter.
	Can I look at her?
	Can I look at her other photos?
	Okay.
	It's not like the skinniest, but she's not, she doesn't look 60 to me.
	And men argue with her.
	Does she look 60?
	She looks a little younger than 60, but okay, what age would you give her?
	Well, I'm not really good at reading people like in their 50s and 60s just because I'm not at that age.
	You should ask her.
	I feel like maybe she wouldn't.
	She's not in her 40s.
	Like, I mean, she could make, but again, like, she could be like in her mid-50s.
	But I mean, she looks like in person.
	Yeah, in person, she looks bad.
	People usually look worse in person than they do.
	I feel like I look better in person than I do on camera because I'm not phylogenic, really.
	I've never seen a 30-year-old with like the.
	That's why you gotta put skin hair on your neck.
	Always bring down the lotion, girls.
	Bring down the lotion down to your neck.
	Always.
	And sunscreen.
	Lagua.
	Lagua.
	Well, men argue with her in dating sites.
	Like, I've even said, you're not 60.
	I've argued with her.
	What do you mean?
	Like, they're like, you're lying about your age.
	It's like, why would I lie about it?
	I know why men would lie about this because it's flattering to a woman to say she looks younger than she actually is, especially like older women who are 60.
	They're trying to have sex with your 60-year-old girl.
	What is it?
	Not girl.
	What the fuck?
	Aunt?
	What is she?
	She's my sister.
	I'm a doctor.
	Okay, now let's break my mom's neck.
	Oh, my.
	Yeah, guys are going to, guys will flatter women.
	It's a strategy.
	I don't know.
	She's so beautiful.
	I still argued with her about her being 60 because I couldn't even recognize that.
	Yeah, I just.
	As an honest man.
	She's a little bit of my mom.
	That's crazy.
	She's 60, man.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, good talk.
	Okay, so we are.
	Oh, I need to finish up the notes from everybody.
	Then we're getting to the questionnaire.
	Let's see here.
	We are.
	We did yours, Amelia.
	Yes.
	Amelia.
	Let's see.
	We talked about the cutting the hair thing.
	Yeah.
	Traumatize Phil.
	You feel like guys downgrade cheating and why guys downgrade.
	That's valid.
	You wrote paranormal experiences in here.
	Is it a dating thing, or you just want to talk about ghosts?
	I like talking about ghost stories.
	Have you been?
	I feel like you've been abducted by aliens.
	I like that vibe.
	Who's been abducted?
	Have you been probed?
	I'm definitely awoke.
	I'm definitely woke and believe in woke.
	Yeah, like the Matrix and about everything.
	Is there a third eye open?
	The Matrix.
	Yeah.
	Wait, do you mean like a simulation?
	Wait, really?
	Well, not that we live in a simulation, but I do believe that we live in a Matrix where the higher society makes us in a programming.
	How do we get unplugged?
	I don't know yet.
	You take the red pill?
	I'll take the red pill.
	You take the red pill.
	I'll take the red pill.
	But, anyways, going back to you.
	So, right now, just to be clear, you're going to have to do that.
	It's currently the year in the real world.
	It's the year 2400.
	There's robots.
	You are in a liquefied human pod, and the robots are using.
	Hold on, the robots are using you for essentially a battery to power the robot world because there was a human-robot war and the robots won.
	And now we're the slaves of the robots, and we're all inside of a matrix right now.
	No, I do not believe that's not the point I was getting at.
	Just like the rat race, trying to escape the matrix, not working in that strictly working at 9 to 5.
	So we're not literally in the matrix.
	We're programming.
	She's talking about social programming.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Thank you very much, Andrew.
	No, but she said we're in a simulation.
	No, I said we're not in a simulation.
	No, she actually said she didn't think we were in a simulation.
	Oh.
	Yeah, that would be crazy.
	I'm not that crazy, guys.
	She's talking about social media.
	Kind of like Andrew Tate mindset.
	I'm like the version, like the woman version of Andrew Tate.
	And yeah, you're so you're a fan of Andrew Tate?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I used to not be because I didn't like his views on women, but now that he changed his views on women.
	Wait, how did he change his views on women?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Yeah.
	Did he change his views on women or on women?
	Well, I don't know.
	The first, I did not like Andrew Tate at first because of the video I would see him like degrading women and acting like we're sexual objects.
	And I was like, yeah, you're not my guy.
	Yeah, PMD.
	I think he's kind of dumb.
	And then now he's like saying that women are the most beautiful creation on earth and we need to take care of them and protect them.
	So I was like, okay, I like that.
	You tried paying them to have sex on webcams.
	No, I did not know about that.
	That's how he got his famous.
	He has a whole program called a PhD Pimping Hose degree where he teaches men how to get other women to film themselves naked on sex cam.
	Oh, I did not know.
	I didn't get the money.
	She's still doing that?
	Yeah.
	Just to move things on.
	Okay, I did not know that.
	You said you're into manifesting.
	I don't agree with that.
	You're into manifesting.
	Yeah, manifesting.
	What does that mean?
	Manifesting is whatever you want in your life and your dreams.
	You're able to manifest it and it eventually comes to fruition if you follow your path and stay true to yourself.
	And obviously, God pray to God.
	And I feel like I've manifested a lot of things that I wanted, like being in the medical field and my opportunities that I've asked once, like for modeling.
	It's like it happens.
	Okay.
	And then you did right here when I was going around the table, you said you're single, right?
	Yes.
	But in the notes, you said you were in a very complicated situation ship.
	That was my ex.
	You're no longer.
	Oh, maybe this, you sent this like a while ago, so this is over.
	Do I have that correct?
	Yeah, that situation ship is over.
	I see.
	Because you said you've been single for two months.
	So, okay, so you're no longer in the very complicated situation.
	This was the guy who cut your hair?
	Yes.
	Ah, okay.
	They're all coming by too.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And we have who do we have?
	Gianna?
	Gina?
	Me?
	No, there's a.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Okay, that's.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Did you send anything or no?
	I don't think you did.
	You did?
	Via Instagram or here?
	Yeah, you already read them, but they were just like...
	Oh, you're right, I did.
	Yeah, I didn't send anything.
	Deborah.
	I'm sorry, Ryan, but I can whip it up right now.
	We have the, I think the final one then is we have Tawny.
	You just, Tawny, you said you just ended a nine-year abusive relationship with your ex-fiancé who's now having severe health problems.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	Actually, yeah, I'll leave it here for now.
	And just, I don't know if, can you give us a little details?
	He's abusive.
	Was it physically emotional?
	It was physical.
	It was emotional.
	It lasted way too long.
	I mean, we met when I was 29, and now I'm 38, so my whole 30s.
	He was also 12 years older than me, and I have different opinions on that now as an older woman, I think.
	Yeah, but it's very emotional because he is has liver cirrhosis and he has colon cancer on top of that.
	So sad.
	Okay.
	Still shitty.
	But so you said that you so you just ended the nine-year abusive relationship.
	How did you abuse him?
	I was not the abusive one.
	Oh, my bad.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	I guess I missed that part.
	And you were with him for nine years.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	You wanted to talk about narcissistic abuse.
	So he was a narcissist?
	I have been reading a lot of books on narcissism.
	And yeah, I would just so it's a little bit chairing.
	Maybe if you uncross your legs, you can scoop that chair.
	Scoot that.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Yeah, I would categorize it as like a narcissistic abusive relationship.
	How do you define narcissism?
	I just want to make sure I'm understanding.
	I've read like, why does he do that?
	And I've been listening to a lot of Dr. Romney.
	And I wouldn't have a definition.
	Yeah, but I do feel like it did fit into that category quite a bit.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	Was he diagnosed as a narcissist?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Andrew typically has thoughts on this one.
	I don't know, Andrew, if you want to have any inquiry here.
	Yeah, I was just curious.
	So I hear so many women say that men are narcissistic, and yet these men have never been diagnosed with narcissism.
	It seems that women themselves tend to diagnose the men as being narcissistic all on their own.
	And I'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion that he was narcissistic.
	I feel like I grew up with a covert narcissist's mother.
	I wish I was more.
	I know she's not diagnosed, but sorry, I wish I was feeling more articulate.
	But yeah, just like I said, I've let's spread the book, Why Does He Do That? which was very insightful.
	And I don't know if anyone's familiar with Dr. Romney, the Indian psychologist that has a YouTube channel that talks about it.
	He comforts this.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	Yeah, but I'm just curious: what are the traits that actually made this guy a narcissist?
	I don't actually, I don't know how to explain it completely.
	I doubt it.
	I totally listen to myself in this relationship.
	I was never really listened to.
	I don't know.
	I should have made more notes before I came here because I'm feeling like I don't know exactly what to say on that subject.
	So sorry.
	I've got a lot to say about narcissists.
	Was this Hack Brian?
	Anybody following that?
	I love Brian, but that situation.
	Yeah, well, I mean, so just by a show of hands real quick, who here has dated a narcissist?
	I guess me.
	Diagnosed or diagnosed by women?
	Well, just diagnosed by you.
	Mine was diagnosed by a doctor.
	Okay.
	After just diagnosed by you, or you just think that they're a narcissist for whatever reason, just by a show of hands, real quick.
	Wait, what did you say?
	You have to be dated a narcissist.
	I think a lot of women just use that term.
	It's like the term gaslighting.
	People just took it and ran with it.
	But people can be an asshole or like a bad guy without being an actual narcissist.
	You cannot feel or think about other people's emotions.
	They can know about your emotions and just genuinely not care about them.
	Like that is, I don't think that's necessarily narcissism.
	I think there's just bad people.
	Yeah.
	And there's women who are also really bad.
	Like it's just bad people.
	Is a psychopath and a narcissist the same thing?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Have you dated a psychopath besides the dogman?
	Yeah, the one that your relationship was diagnosed as a narcissist, and I've also dated a guy that was actually diagnosed as a psychopath.
	But this is like way like when I was really young.
	There's no diagnosis for psychopathy.
	So psycho-psychopath doesn't exist anywhere in the DSM.
	It's not a diagnosis.
	There's other diagnoses which you would give a person that you would possibly consider them to be a psychopath, like borderline personality disorder, cluster B, all sorts of different things.
	But psychopathy itself, being a psychopath, is not a thing which can be diagnosed.
	Interesting.
	I was like 19.
	This guy told me he was actually diagnosed as a psychopath.
	I don't know what that is.
	Maybe.
	Who knows?
	I don't know though.
	How old was he?
	You were 19?
	He's like 23, somewhere in there, 24.
	Girl, you gotta make better choices in men.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not sorry, actually.
	I really think that you need to make better choices in men, especially if you have a daughter, because it's your duty to raise her and like teach her what men she should go for.
	And I think it's never too late to make that better choice and live a happier, better life, but you gotta put the effort in.
	Yeah, I'm learning.
	Definitely.
	Yeah, I agree with that statement.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	One sec, guys.
	Just going over a couple things.
	Okay.
	We're going to get into the questionnaire stuff, but before we do, I'm just going to read the soup chat from the homie Ray Bovis.
	Please have everyone pronounce the plural form of the word woman.
	Andrew's enthusiastic about this one, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I don't get the question.
	Women.
	Women?
	What?
	Women?
	Women question?
	I don't know what we're talking about.
	Sorry.
	A plural word.
	Yeah, the plural form of the word woman.
	Woman.
	Women?
	Wait, wait.
	Women?
	What?
	Well, so you guys have, and you may not realize that you've done this, but all of you have done this now.
	When you say women, you keep saying woman.
	I don't think that woman should do this.
	I said women into women or things like that.
	What's that?
	I don't believe I know the proper use of the terms.
	I don't think I've said that, but if anybody can answer my question, but yeah, there's a lot of, I don't, I don't, and I have no idea why this is.
	It's something that I've seen panel after panel after panel.
	For some reason, women use the word woman to say women, and I don't.
	I don't actually understand why that is.
	So what is the difference?
	The most bizarre phenomenon ever.
	Plural.
	So like a woman in pans versus pan, a singular pan.
	A woman is you, where women is a function.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Well, I said that.
	No, no, no.
	You specifically said woman like 15 times instead of women.
	Right?
	Oh, no, I mean, I'm here with this question.
	Woman?
	Yeah.
	Is English your second language?
	Well, I had to learn English and Spanish at the same time because I moved to Mexico and I was in preschool.
	So imagine having to learn your own language, how to speak and write correctly, and then add Spanish on top of that.
	Yeah, but I mean, in Spanish, isn't it mu hair, mu hairs?
	Yes.
	I guess it is.
	Boom head is.
	Boo head.
	Blah moment.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	Well, Brian's gone, so we have to entertain ourselves now.
	No, no, we can actually dive into a couple things.
	So going back to the rating thing briefly, I'd like to do just a very quick social experiment.
	So everybody close your eyes.
	Close them up tight.
	Close your eyes up tight.
	Okay, now raise your hand if you think you're the prettiest girl in the room.
	Nobody else can see.
	I'm not going to participate in that.
	Okay, now lower your hands.
	Now open your eyes.
	Okay, now, starting with chair one, who do you think said that they were the prettiest woman in the room?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I think if you come in here, it's a really good idea.
	It's just again, there's no wrong answer.
	In my opinion.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think raised their hand is all.
	I'm just asking who you think raised their hand.
	But she's humble, so I don't think she would have raised her hand.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Next chair, who do you think raised their hand?
	I don't think maybe you raised your hand, but I'm so beautiful woman.
	So I was like, I am definitely not the prettiest girl in here.
	So middle chair, middle chair, who do you think raised their hand?
	I don't feel like anyone did.
	Just kind of out of respect.
	Next, who do you think raised their hand?
	I don't know.
	No one.
	Okay.
	And then next chair, who do you think raised their hand?
	Probably no one.
	I would bet on that, actually.
	Oh, and then the last chair, who do you think raised their hand?
	I agree with no one, but if I had to say anyone, I think it would be you just because I feel like you have a high level of self-confidence.
	I do.
	Got it.
	So to those, now, just since all your eyes are open, raise your hand if you said nobody.
	What do you mean?
	If you said nobody.
	But you didn't raise your hand?
	Yeah, if you don't think anybody raised their hand, raise your hand.
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	And so for those of you who just raised your hand, how many of you rated yourselves as a seven or above?
	Everybody?
	So I don't understand fear.
	If you're seven, eight, nine, ten, how do you assume that you're not the prettiest girl in the room?
	Because there's also seven, nights, and ten.
	That's a subjective.
	Such a subjective question.
	I don't think I'm in competition with any other woman.
	I'm in competition with myself.
	I always think there's a prettier girl.
	Why is it a matter of competition?
	Yeah, too.
	Me too.
	Always.
	I'm not the pretty one.
	Look at her.
	She's model material or her.
	Yeah.
	She's beautiful.
	Yeah, I'm not saying it's a matter of competition.
	I'm saying that even from your subjective metric, you can make a determination as to what is pretty and what is not pretty, correct?
	Symmetrical figure.
	I think all the girls here are beautiful.
	Yeah.
	But nobody's making, nobody's disputing that.
	You must not understand.
	As someone who's married, I'm shocked that you don't have a better grasp on the female psychology when it comes to just this specific aspect where women, when the environment is divisive and you're put in a position to tear each other down, women will claw each other's eyes out.
	But like when they're in, I think in good environments, women tend to be girly and like sisterhood and really like not want to tear people down.
	I just came from a bachelorette trip.
	Everyone's like braiding their hair and doing massages.
	I'm like, since when do we start doing this?
	Like, I think it's just a female thing that if we were all in a private room, like a couple of people.
	But you're right.
	person who's married and raised many many women who are out in society i also know that there's a lot of truth that perhaps um at the moment you're trying to gaslight us away from which is that women often tear each other down in groups all the time they do it all the time non-stop and often in the most passive aggressive ways possible but the idea that you from your subjective metric can't make a determination as to which girl you think is prettier than you i think is a lie I literally think it's just a lie.
	I don't think any of you are actually telling me the truth, right?
	I think she's prettier than you.
	I mean, I'm gay and I gave my honest opinion.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, I mean, some of you will say, sure, some of the women here are prettier than me, blah, blah, blah.
	But many don't want to answer.
	They don't want to answer why because they're afraid that they're going to offend somebody.
	It's going to hurt their feelings, this or that.
	I understand that.
	But at the same time, it's like, just don't lie to me and say, well, I just don't know.
	I never make those judgment calls because yes, you do.
	Yes, you definitely make the judgment calls as to who's prettier than you, not prettier than you.
	What if you're just basing it off of what other people tell you, not that you think you're pretty?
	Yeah, well, I think that most people would probably base their metric on what other people tell them.
	Otherwise, what would they be comparing it to?
	Like, I don't think we don't.
	So if someone doesn't think they're pretty, but they based off of someone else saying, then they're never going to think they're actually beautiful.
	Yeah, but I think that the way that people inform themselves about beauty standards is based on how people treat them, based on their beauty standard, right?
	I'm not afraid to.
	So if you were like walking around all day long and every guy you ran into was like, oh, you're ugly.
	I'm guessing that you probably wouldn't think you were pretty, right?
	But if you walked around all day and guys were like, oh, you're beautiful, I'm assuming that you would, that would probably higher your estimation of yourself.
	That's why, too, I think I'm really beautiful because how many compliments I do get when I step out like anywhere.
	All right, men and women.
	Someone on TikTok told me they watched my videos with the sound off.
	So I don't know.
	Take that with what you will.
	I don't know if it was a hate comment or not.
	It's definitely a hate comment for sure.
	I'm taking it as a positive comment.
	You could definitely be like, get told you're hotter than you actually are and then rate yourself lower just because you're low self-esteem.
	Let's pull up Twitch, Damien.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv.
	Bob Kai.
	I don't know if you're still in chat.
	I didn't get the notification for it, but you did send us a raid.
	I don't know if you're still watching.
	Guys, there it is.
	I don't know why.
	Maybe, here, let me check my settings.
	Maybe it's like below the threshold or something.
	But yo, Bob Kai, thank you so much for the raid, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	I don't know if I'm going to be able to play World of Warcraft with you, man, but I really appreciate it.
	I don't know.
	I'm like, there's a lot of interest on our Discord about doing it.
	I'm just like thinking if I have even time, but we'll see.
	Maybe I'll start the guild and just abandon it after a day.
	We'll see.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, thank you so much for the raid, man.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Guys, it's been 15 minutes since we last got a Prime.
	So if you guys have a Prime sub available, check it.
	Let me see what's going on here, though, with the alert.
	Before I get into the questionnaire, just while I'm getting this all sorted, does anybody have a dating topic that they'd like to speak on?
	Or you have two men here who will be totally honest with you if you've ever wanted to ask a guy a question about dating or relationships or anything and you want an honest answer.
	what's your guys idea of a perfect first date uh i In your opinion, like realistic perfect or like idealistic perfect.
	What's the difference?
	Well, idealistic perfect would be the dream.
	She's a billionaire heiress and she commits herself to me for her life.
	Even if I break up with her, she will become a nun after we break up.
	We have sex immediately.
	She's exactly.
	She's amazing at it.
	She's exactly my type.
	And then the times in which I want a different type, she can shape-shift kind of like you into a different type.
	Just kidding about that part.
	I'll be happy with however she comes.
	Just kidding, but really, I'm serious.
	Giant labia, world record, because I don't know what to do.
	You like fat, huh?
	I mean, you date women, so you know what I'm talking about.
	I only date women with large labia.
	I'm looking for a Guinness World Record labia.
	Okay.
	So if anybody knows anybody, just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	But I'm serious.
	I am serious about that.
	What else?
	Please send reference photos to him here.
	Yes, I need the world we live in right now.
	Billionaire heiress, giant labia.
	Perfect first date.
	Yeah.
	Would she plan it or would you plan it?
	She does, oh, okay, okay, here.
	Would you guys like it?
	Realistic, realistic, and we're about to play the battle video.
	Yeah.
	Realistic.
	She's of like, you know, like equivalent, you know, in terms of physical attractiveness, like around my league or whatever.
	Pleasant, submissive, does my laundry on the first date.
	Does a bow.
	Do you guys meet at the laundry mat so you can see how she folds?
	No, she just doesn't.
	She just does it at my place, comes over.
	She trusts you.
	Yeah, trusts me.
	She does my, what else does she do?
	She cleans my entire house, including bathrooms, sweeps, mops, swiffers, vacuums.
	So you want a slave?
	She also needs to know how to churn butter and make moccasins because that's a slave role.
	And King's out there, if she won't find somebody who will.
	If she won't find somebody who will.
	If she wanted to, she would.
	Exactly.
	I mean, hey, you put it out there.
	Ask and you shall receive.
	Yeah.
	I basically, yeah.
	I did all those things.
	I did all those things.
	Sorry, Deborah.
	I did all those things for my ex-boyfriend.
	You churned butter and made moccasins?
	Well, not that part, but I cleaned all of his dishes.
	It's a teal breaker.
	Damn it.
	I washed his dishes, made his bed in the morning, did his laundry.
	Speaking of laundry, actually.
	Actually, I do know how to churn butter.
	Even though I have top-of-the-line laundry, like washing machine dryer, I actually insist that my girlfriend, she has to like, what's that?
	The washboard.
	She has to use a washboard.
	Like a pilgrim.
	Yeah, she has to use a washboard to clean all my clothes, and then she has to hang them to dry.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	They teach us.
	Elementary schoolers.
	Complete.
	Sounds like a good first date.
	Do you guys downgrade on purpose or just happens to you guys?
	That's supposed to total shift on.
	I know.
	But we're talking about relationships, aren't we?
	Do we what?
	Downgrade on?
	Yeah, why do you guys downgrade on purpose?
	Like, because some guys go from having the most beautiful woman, everything that they can want, and then they break up with her, and then the next girl they get doesn't meet any of that standards.
	They do that or they cheat on you with.
	Both?
	Because I've not gotten cheated on, but after me and my ex broke up, he dated a girl that had nothing going for herself, looks like a tweaker.
	You're not a wealthy eye.
	So it was just like, why would you go from me to her?
	You mean probably side-graded?
	Wait, it wasn't the doubt.
	He side-graded because you're also a tweaker.
	A tweaker?
	How do you know?
	You know what tweaker means?
	I think so.
	Does math?
	No, a tweaker does drugs.
	Have you ever done drugs?
	Marijuana, but I'm talking about she was like, looks like she does meth and looks like she does hardcore.
	Have you ever done no vape and smoke weed and drink wine?
	Such cope.
	You're why you cope it so hard.
	Yeah, look at you.
	You have to.
	Who hasn't?
	I'm just going to say that.
	Yeah, there we go.
	There's the truth.
	Who hasn't watched?
	Have you ever done experimented?
	Who hasn't experimented?
	PCP?
	No.
	Have you ever done like Black Target heroin?
	No.
	Have you ever done Crocodile?
	No.
	Have you ever done...
	I've done acid weed.
	Acid?
	Even high school did has it once.
	In high school?
	Yeah.
	15 or something?
	Like in sweet senior year with my girlfriends.
	Oh, okay, that's cool.
	She was 17.
	Crack?
	No.
	That's like hardcore tweaker drugs.
	Like, whatever is like heroin, meth, crack, and like PCP and like all that weird shit like that.
	Not even once.
	No.
	Not even once.
	Not even once.
	Not even one time.
	No.
	Not even half of a once.
	No.
	A quarter of a once?
	Do I look like it or what?
	Because why?
	Just a tip.
	Just for a second.
	Just to see how it feels.
	You know?
	You know, like how girls won't count like if it's just the tip as a body?
	It's kind of like you just like take one hit of the meth pipe.
	Like that's, you still did meth.
	Yeah, no, but I smoke weed like on a daily.
	Replaced with meth?
	No.
	I'm kidding.
	All right, all right.
	Why are you crying again?
	Because of the meth?
	Is it the meth convo?
	That's what I'm curious about.
	Is it a.
	You okay?
	Did I say something?
	Is it me?
	What did I say?
	Oh, it's not you.
	It's not.
	You're good.
	Is it Andrew?
	Andrew, you fucking scumbag.
	Go away.
	Andrew, make a silly face.
	I'm going to talk shit to Andrew for a little bit.
	Andrew, how you, Andrew.
	It's the PCB.
	It's the PCB.
	I'm the PCB plateless.
	Andrew.
	Like a natural eye pillar plateless.
	You scoundrel.
	You are a scoundrel, Andrew.
	Don't eat nothing but a hat.
	Andrew, put your little red screen on.
	Shows your evil.
	Yeah.
	We know you're evil.
	Put your horn.
	Red thing.
	There it is.
	His face.
	You scoundrel.
	I can even see that devil horse peeking out.
	What are you eating?
	It's eating a cookie.
	I have some.
	Wow.
	He's eating a cookie.
	That sounds good.
	My wife's cookies are not for you.
	Not for you.
	Hey, fair enough.
	Wait, Andrew, do you have children?
	You said you brought some girls into this world.
	How many kids do you have?
	I have children.
	I have five.
	I have three stepkids and then two of my own.
	What are the age ranges, like youngest to oldest?
	The oldest are in their 20s, and the youngest is, I don't know, like 12 or 13 or 14 or something.
	How old were you when you became a dad?
	I was pretty young.
	How old?
	It was in.
	I don't remember my exact age.
	It was like early 20s.
	I have a few friends who've been married since like early 20s and they're now parents.
	But what do you think was like the biggest thing, if anything, to change for you as a man in the way that you saw women after having your first child?
	Did anything change?
	And if it did, what?
	No.
	So I think that my opinion of women was pretty well informed up until that point.
	Maybe not great, but it was pretty well informed.
	But understanding women's nature, raising women, that's a whole different, a whole different story, whole different thing.
	It turns out that this idea that women are perfect until a man corrupts their angelic nature is complete and total fucking bullshit.
	So that's the thing that I learned more than anything quickly is that that is not true at all, not even a little bit.
	And there's a lot of what she called social engineering, which tries to reinforce a narrative that women are born angelic and perfect.
	And only evil men, it's only after evil men corrupt their angelic nature that they do anything which is bad.
	And that's just not the case.
	No, I would agree with you on that.
	I think hormones play a huge role into it.
	Specifically, like if you ever met a 14-year-old girl, they could probably use an exorcism.
	We've all been 14-year-old girls here.
	Yeah, I don't think it's hormones.
	I've got a different, I have a different way that I look at it.
	I think it is.
	Well, I think that there's a superpower which is corrupting to women, especially beautiful women.
	And I think it would be just discrupting to men if they had it.
	So just think of it as like you're an X-Men.
	And your mutation, your superpower, is that if you're young and beautiful between the ages of, let's say, 18 and 27, basically anything you want from men, you can get.
	Basically, anything you want.
	If you want a door opened, you're going to get it.
	If you need money, you're going to get it.
	If you need resources, you're going to get that.
	If you get in trouble, they're likely your punishment's going to be much lighter.
	Now, it's like this great superpower, but it corrupts too at the same time, right?
	Because it displaces accountability.
	And since it displaces accountability, once that beauty fleets, women seem to have trouble taking accountability after that.
	They go, wait a second, it used to be that doors magically opened for me.
	Gifts just showed up at my house.
	People just gave me resources and attention.
	Once that fades, though, they never learned the accountability portion.
	And so I think that that's a massive social issue.
	And because matrons in society have been rejected, meaning older women who are now always just looking to kind of reattach themselves to their youth instead of telling women to have good expectations, the matrons of society, which are designed to guide women through this, they're gone.
	They're summarily rejected.
	And instead, they try to hold these ridiculous beauty standards into their 60s and 70s where they look like J-Lo and this type of thing.
	And it's insane.
	So that's the big eye-opener that I got.
	Not directly opposed.
	I think it's just different than what I was saying, which is like, I think women specifically, when they're going through puberty for the first time, just as somebody who was a teenage girl and had other teenage friends, that there's some something, I don't know, I think women are not informed enough about hormones.
	We're never really taught about it, how it affects you, how people after giving birth have like postpartum depression and they can literally go psychotic because of it, even after abortions too.
	People don't talk about this.
	Men have the same thing.
	Like, I know, but it's that we're not taught about it.
	Yeah, this is often not thought about.
	But men, when they're going through puberty, right, rite of passage for men, they get ultra-violent sometimes with each other, highly angry, very upset, very confused, right?
	They have a hormone siege inside of their bodies as much as women do.
	But their accountability is not taken away.
	So the accountability for keeping those things in check, that's never displaced from them.
	It does seem like it's more displaced from women.
	How is that new though?
	Since the beginning of time, men have been held more accountable than women because we've expected men to be the leaders.
	So if you guys want to be the leaders, you should expect to be held accountable as well more than women.
	How silly this is.
	Sure.
	You know what?
	I'll concede the argument.
	You're right.
	Men should be held more accountable.
	The thing is, though, is if you give them more responsibility, right?
	If you give them more responsibility, then you're going to have to also give them the authority.
	And you can't say, well, we're going to take authority away from men, which is what egalitarianism has done, and still give them the same amount of responsibility and have the expectation that you're going to have a society which isn't fucked from top to bottom because it is.
	So the thing is, is like, sure, hold men more accountable than women.
	But as long as they have the authority, right, nobody's going to say anything about it.
	But the second you say we're equal, well, then you need to have equal accountability.
	I don't disagree at all.
	I love the patriarchy.
	I think men should lead, and us women can focus on painting our nails, making sourdough starters, being moms.
	I think the feminist movement is the only reason that women have to work nowadays because of the dual income.
	And I think that's not, it's not to be pampered.
	No, it's the opposite, right?
	So, this is the faux idea of what the patriarchy is supposed to do, which is enable you to be a pampered princess.
	It's not.
	What the patriarchy is supposed to do is protect you so that you can fulfill your duties and responsibilities to society.
	And that would include reproduction and being matrons for the next generation.
	I literally said be a mom and make sourdough starters.
	That goes hand in hand with being a traditional housewife.
	Makes bread for your family.
	Have you ever made sourdough starters?
	If you think making a sourdough.
	Did you say anything about duty and responsibility?
	You know, you said, I said, paint your nails, make sourdough, and be a mother.
	You should get post-it notes.
	Be a mother and make sourdough.
	If you've never made sourdough, then you don't know how hard it is to keep that thing alive.
	And it's part of like making fresh bread for your family, making natural ingredients, meals that don't have toxic chemicals in them.
	I think that all goes hand in hand.
	Those are making sourdough bread, stuff like this, the ingredients for it, with whatever your modern luxuries are.
	They're just that.
	They're luxuries.
	They're gifted.
	They're literally gifted to women by men.
	Modern luxuries are.
	Definitely women are not gifting women modern luxury.
	That's insane.
	The thing is, is that women have a duty and responsibility, an ethical duty and responsibility under Christian ethics to multiply, to have families, to reproduce.
	They have a duty under Christian ethics to raise the next generation correctly and be matrons to young women so that we don't have the problem of pornography and things like this.
	That's all gone.
	So as long as that duty is displaced from society for women, and instead all that's left is, well, I love the patriarchy as long as they give me a life of luxury.
	We have essentially, that's still just as regressive as the idea that, well, egalitarianism is bad and I would prefer the patriarchy because I get a life of luxury.
	Both eat, they're equally bad.
	It's an equally bad way to view it, I think.
	Well, I didn't say any of that.
	I think you think I think that because you think you know how women think, but it's not, oh, let's just have the patriarchy and do nothing.
	I'm very into traditional relationships.
	Yeah, please.
	I'm very supportive of traditional relationships, especially like in Judaism.
	That's a huge thing and that's something I've always been raised around.
	And if we're talking about you wanted to bring up Christianity, then in Judaism, there's a lot where men are the leaders, but women are actually holier.
	They have a higher connection to God because of their ability to bring life into this world and everything around that.
	So to me, if you want to say that, like, it's just funny that these old-fashioned what were commodities are just basic necessities, actually, being able to make bread, you had to make your own bread, cleaning your home.
	Women used to have to make their own cleaning supplies and be like somewhat chemists.
	So I think now it's seen as a luxury to have that time.
	And, you know, thankfully, society has evolved in that front.
	But like, I don't know what impression or what made you think that I think that the patriarchy means that we get to sit home all day being a modern.
	Started with because we can paint our nails.
	It's called a joke.
	You don't have to be so serious 24-7.
	You ever heard of a joke?
	I think you'd like it.
	Well, sure, sure.
	But I mean, have you ever heard of a criticism, right?
	So the thing is, it's like, whether you're saying it in a joking manner or not, right?
	It moves to the point that I'm saying, which is that in modernity, women seem to have a massive sense of entitlement, including the ones who say, well, I'm a traditionalist.
	It's like, really?
	Are you?
	Or are you looking for somebody who can provide you for a life of luxury?
	That's the question.
	And usually when you get to the nitty-gritty of it, when you look at what modern women want, they want a life of luxury and a man who can provide it.
	I don't hear them really talk about their duties and responsibilities.
	Like, what is your duty to society?
	Do you have one?
	Yes.
	i've said like no no hers yeah i've said maybe 50 times that i think being a mom is the best thing you could do but this is why and even though you have a duty to be one i okay Okay, even though we're both conservatives, like that's my ultimate goal in life.
	I think above any career or anything, being a mom and having a family, literally, this is not something you have to suck out of me.
	Say this on my social media every day, but this is why I have a problem with, despite us both being conservatives.
	This is something that I think, for your own sake, if you really want to have impactful messaging and like continue to have people who maybe disagree.
	I don't disagree with you on most things, but even you, like to actually listen to what you're saying.
	A lot of times when like people on the far right, or I don't think you're far right, but I do think that on our side of the aisle, you can very clearly tell that the way you're speaking of it from a place where like you genuinely have disdain or hard feelings towards women, it's not from a place of like, I love women, they're so amazing.
	We need to support them, make them mothers.
	We need to let them, like, we need to protect women at home.
	You're like, what's your duty to society?
	That doesn't sound like a mature man at all.
	And like, why do you think somebody is like, whose job is to kiss your ass?
	My job isn't to kiss your ass.
	Who said kiss my ass?
	I said to actually want women to be mothers because you want to protect them.
	I think you're disdainful to men.
	I think that you only care about materialism.
	I think that those are the values that you have and you haven't said a word about duty.
	But yet at the same time, your criticism to me is that if we even have a dispute or an argument, suddenly it's disdainful towards all women.
	No.
	I've raised women into the next generation.
	Have you?
	No.
	I've actually done it.
	And so the thing is, it's like, before you make these insane criticisms about what the right should or shouldn't be, right?
	Maybe you should learn things like, oh, I don't know, basic libertarian economics and laissez-faire, even though you have a degree in political science, which is fucking insane, right?
	I think personally that what you are is a misandrist and a covert feminist in disguise, LARPing as a conservative, because that's what makes it a good idea.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That makes, I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
	I wasn't criticized, one, that's barbaric.
	But two, like, I've literally been to say that I'm an undercover feminist when I've literally gotten head to head with feminists for five years and all my content and everything I believe and preach about.
	Let me finish.
	How about that?
	Okay, let me finish talking.
	I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
	I wasn't linking.
	I wasn't linking.
	Andrew, can you shut up for 30 seconds and let me talk?
	Andrew, let her finish.
	Can somebody mute him?
	Just let her finish.
	Go ahead, Deborah.
	It's that loud.
	Go ahead, Deborah.
	I think you misunderstood what I was saying and took it as a personal criticism when I wasn't trying to, I wasn't saying it as personal criticism.
	I was saying that what you're saying, I agree with the majority of what you're saying, and I think it would come across better and that this is a disconnect between men and women, even on the same side of the political eye, or people who probably share the majority of how they think society should be run, things like that.
	I really do think that.
	I think that this is a broken messaging, and I would wish that more people would listen to this message.
	And I think you don't realize listening to it.
	As somebody who does agree, that it doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of we should protect women as a society and their best thing that they like, not their only thing, but women are mothers.
	That's their role in society.
	They're the matriarchs of society, and therefore we should protect them.
	We shouldn't force them to work.
	We shouldn't have to have them working nine to fives and being corporate slaves to their bosses who don't care about them.
	And I think the difference is coming from a place of genuinely loving women and understanding their importance to the world and to traditional relationships and traditional values and Christianity and everything alike.
	It seems sometimes that the disconnect in the messaging is that it's just coming from a place of like, you're a woman, you have a duty to do this, when rather, why do we have that duty?
	Like, not why do we have that duty aside from the religion, but like, where does it actually come from?
	Why do you truly believe that women should be protected or things like that?
	I just think messaging-wise, and this wasn't a personal attack, I think more people would listen and they should listen.
	It just doesn't seem so much like it's coming off right now from a place of like women should be protected in sports, in the workforce, in homes, and everything alike.
	And that's all I was saying.
	I wasn't trying to personally attack you.
	And if you really think I'm a feminist, then that's very hysterical and you have a horrible character judgment.
	Great.
	So that's That prattle.
	So let me just respond and say, I think it's hilarious that you say, oh, I heart patriarchy.
	And the second you're in a conversation with a man, the first thing you do is go, How dare you speak over me?
	Oh, I'm a proud, strong woman.
	Look at how great I am.
	You haven't spoken about duty at all.
	Yes, absolutely.
	You're a covert feminist.
	The idea here of what you're talking about is just pure tone policing.
	It's pure tone policing.
	I love your messaging, Andrew.
	I think you're totally right.
	Everything you're saying is completely correct.
	But if you used a different tone and kiss women's asses and packaged it in such a way that they thought you were kissing their ass, they might be more responsive to it.
	That's in opposition to what I want in society.
	What that does is it curtails truth.
	What that does is it makes it so that you can't actually deliver a message in its proper context, its proper form, because somebody might take offense.
	That is the opposite of what conservatives should be doing.
	And it is the opposite when you see conservatives doing that, that you see work.
	Case in point, Donald J. Trump, Donald Trump wasn't sugarcoating anything.
	He called women ugly dogs.
	He called women fat.
	He called them obnoxious.
	He called them all sorts of things.
	And he's the president of the United States right now.
	And women in lieu actually voted for him this time around.
	So the thing is, it's like all this PC, politically correct, woke fucking nonsense of, Andrew, you must correct your tone because when I attack you, I do it in a passive-aggressive way.
	And when you talk to me, you talk to me directly.
	I think it's bullshit.
	It's nonsense.
	I think you just take everything I say, put it through a weird machine, and then like spew it out and think I said something completely different.
	I never said logic machine.
	Oh my God, you're talking over me.
	This is highlights.
	Oh my God, you're such a strong woman.
	This is what I think.
	I think you just don't like women and that your desire for women should, this doesn't come from a place of you genuinely loving and caring about women and thinking that women are special.
	You can read my heart now.
	The way that you're talking to me, you think that I had a freak out and said you're talking about a lot of people.
	Well, let me get five words out.
	It doesn't matter if I'm a woman or you're a man.
	It's called a debate and a conversation.
	And if you're not letting the other person get five words out, it doesn't matter about our gender.
	It matters.
	I don't know why you think that's crazy for me to ask you to be quiet while I respond to something that you said or let me talk for 10 seconds without jumping over me when we can only hear one person at once.
	That's not, and of course you attribute that to me being a woman freaking out, but really just asking you to shut the fuck up for a second.
	I'm going to let you.
	I'm going to let you.
	Hang on.
	You're going to hit me with, I heart patriarchy until the people who you would consider patriarchs are speaking to you.
	And then suddenly the patriarchy should be disrespected.
	You should talk over it.
	You should be able to do whatever the hell you want, right?
	So the second we come into this, we find out that, no, your true nature is revealed very quickly.
	It's just another entitled, like TPUSA girl, right, spewing a bunch of nonsense and trying to pretend that you're a conservative.
	You're LARPing as a conservative, covert feminism.
	Okay, Griper.
	This is a very good question.
	First of all, why are you calling me a griper?
	Because everything you just said, like, I literally, it's just so obvious.
	Like, do you want to rewatch what you just said?
	You're telling me because I didn't, because I asked you to be quiet while I was saying something because you wouldn't let me get a word out.
	That means that I'm a fake feminist and because you're a man, that I should shut up and just listen to everything you say and say, yes, sir, absolutely.
	I know a ton of leaders who are patriarchs who are much better men than you are.
	And I don't know who you are personally, but I'm saying as you're acting now, I would never subscribe to you as a leader, but that doesn't make me a feminist.
	That makes me understanding of how great men can be.
	And I don't think this is a shining example.
	And I don't think everything you say is good.
	It's actually perfect.
	I think strong men should lead us.
	And if I had to make that choice about you, I don't think I would be in favor of it.
	But I think strong men protect women and they care about women.
	And good luck to you.
	This is actually perfect.
	So the idea here is actually that you're the leader, see?
	So the idea here is: wait a second, wait a second.
	I get to determine who leads who.
	I get to determine where they lead them.
	I get to make all those determinations.
	After all, Andrew, if you were some kind of leader, I'd never follow you.
	The idea here just moves into the regressive notion of feminism.
	It is all the responsibility with none of the authority.
	And when authority is exercised, the very first thing you do is rebel against it.
	The very first thing you do is rebel against it.
	And so the thing is, is like we can see this pattern over and over and over again with all of the LARPing conservative chicks.
	First thing you do is call me a Groyper.
	What the hell does Groyper ideology have to do with Andrew Wilson's ideology?
	Nothing.
	Complete straw man, right?
	Made up because you were looking for a way to insult me.
	You didn't know what else to say.
	So that's what you said.
	Okay, Groyper.
	It's like you're not trying to insult me by calling me an undercover feminist LARPing and the USA girl.
	I just let you talk.
	I just let you talk.
	Now I can't.
	Now I can't respond.
	So anyway, so moving back into this, yeah, it just seems like total, incomplete covert feminism.
	It's exactly what I expect.
	Anytime I argue with one of the faux conservative babes online, it's always the same thing.
	The second you get to the heart of it, it's we women should be protected.
	Women should be should have their asses kicked, kissed, right?
	But men should have the responsibility with none of the authority.
	So like here, let me give you a demonstration of this if I'm wrong.
	Do you think women should vote?
	Yes.
	Should they be able to vote to send men to war?
	You mean voting on a draft?
	No, just voting, period.
	If you vote on the war.
	I think women should be able to vote, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So send men and are you eligible to be drafted?
	I never registered for the draft, but that is a position.
	I know.
	I know because the ERA never passed, and that's a position I've held.
	That as an American citizen who has a right to vote, I think that women, even though as a society, I don't think it would be helpful to send women to war, I understand my duty as an American.
	That if America was in a war tomorrow and they said, you're an American, we need you to fight.
	This is my country.
	I want to defend it.
	But you say that I'm attacking you, but you called me a fake conservative.
	You said I'm an undercover LARP feminist.
	What makes you think of I'm a fake conservative?
	What does that even mean?
	I have ideologies.
	How can I be a fake conservative when I've lived my life by the ideology?
	I'm going to put it out with you right now.
	And how?
	If you say, for instance, that there should be egalitarianism, women should vote equal to men's vote, but women cannot be drafted and thus can vote to send men off to war.
	You're actually giving yourself a position of privilege in society that men do not have.
	Since this is the case, that you accept that there's privilege that women have that men, on the other hand, do not have.
	You say, for instance, wait a second, I think it's my duty to get drafted.
	They're not going to send you to the front lines to fight.
	It's ridiculous.
	They never would.
	Our army would get crushed.
	So that doesn't even make any sense.
	So you're going to hang on.
	Hang on.
	I'm almost done.
	I just let you talk.
	That's not okay.
	First of all, it's not a conservative principle.
	It makes no sense at all, right?
	And again, this is the idea of men responsibility, absent authority, absent authority.
	It's still taking away authority.
	If you really wanted men to be an authority, why would you advocate women vote?
	That makes no sense.
	Because I love voting and I think women should vote.
	Because you love voting.
	Because I'm an active member of society.
	Okay.
	Because I want to, Andrew, because I want to.
	Well, this is what I mean when you take what I say and you put it.
	This is why I called you a groiber, too.
	You don't think women should vote.
	You take what I say and you put it through a ringer.
	When I, it's not conservative to say that I would defend my country if we went to war because I agree with the values of American values and I think that's worth defending if it were to come to war.
	But at the same time, I don't think women, it's a mark of a good society where women and children are protected and they're not sent to the front lines like they're doing in Ukraine right now.
	There have been a lot of women who've been drafted.
	There are situations like that.
	That makes me a fake conservative.
	Yeah, I don't think there's been not drafting.
	They were trying to recruit women because they've been running so low on soldiers.
	Can you mute?
	Okay.
	What's your question?
	When you take everything I say and flip it around.
	If you really want men to have the authority and women to be the followers and men the leaders, men actually have the authority.
	Why do you advocate for women to vote?
	Can you actually tell me that?
	Is women not voting going to suddenly make is that going to take away every single woman from a powerful position in this entire country?
	Because we're talking in reality.
	We're not talking in floofy land where anything can happen right now.
	Why do you, so why do you think women should not have the right to vote?
	Why do you think?
	I just told you.
	I just told you.
	So if you advocate that men have the responsibility, right, but they don't have the authority, which I think you're advocating for.
	It's a progressive feminist viewpoint.
	If it were true that you wanted men to have the authority, right, and the responsibility, then you would advocate only they voted and not women.
	Can you actually give me an argument, any argument at all for how that doesn't logically follow?
	It doesn't line up with the original land owning and everything that was said in our Constitution to provide voting rights.
	The fact that women can own their own lands right now, what?
	Women couldn't vote.
	Women couldn't vote.
	I know.
	And when we changed and gave women the right to vote, I think that was a good thing.
	I think it got more women involved.
	And I think this ideology of yours, and again, why I called you a griper, is because the majority of reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal.
	I voted conservative across the board.
	I voted Republican in every election, but I'm not going to defend my values that I know near and dear to my heart and the candidates that I've worked for, including Rob Astorino.
	I was on Trump's team on his coalition of Jewish voices.
	Across the board, I've helped Republican candidates get elected.
	So I don't really care what you have to say, whether you think I'm vague or not.
	That's not an argument.
	Can I actually get an actual argument from you?
	Here's the argument.
	No, that's my response to you.
	If you actually want men to have authority and responsibility and women to follow that authority and not have responsibility, why would you advocate women voted?
	That makes no sense.
	Can you give me an actual argument?
	The strongest response for this time is that the men right now, you know, the old saying where good times create strong men, strong, or whatever it is, good times basically create weak men.
	And I think we're in that time zone right now where if we were in the George Washington.
	Are you going to let me finish?
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	If we were at a time where masculinity was very prevalent, I think this is a large issue where you have a sassy man apocalypse.
	We don't have men understanding what it means to actually be men.
	I think that if we were in a time zone where men were strong, true leaders, then we can go to that.
	But when we have men out here who are soy boys, they don't want to speak up, they support abortion, they think that they should just listen to whatever their wife should do.
	They don't actually think that a woman has a value.
	They think that the woman should be a stay-at-home dad.
	A lot of things like that.
	I think at this point in society, that if we just handed it over to the men, the men are having a lot of problems too.
	We can talk about lowering testosterone levels and everything across hiring levels of anxiety and depression across the board.
	And I think it doesn't make me a fake conservative to say that I think there are good men, male leaders out there much better than you could ever be.
	And if you think you're compared to Donald Trump, women need to lead.
	Just advocated that women need to lead and usurp men's authority.
	That was literally what you just advocated.
	I can't believe you said that.
	I literally can't even believe that.
	Believe it, bitch.
	Deborah, Deborah, I'll let you respond.
	There's been a, we have a, we'll get, I'll let you guys get right back to it.
	I promise I need to let a couple chats come in.
	We'll get right back to you.
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	When Andrew asked the women to raise their hands if they think they're the prettiest, you mumbled under your breath after making a face like you might raise your hand.
	I am not going to.
	Huff.
	I believe that he's talking to me, but what I said is that That I'm not going to do that because I was raised with manners, and I just think that it's not respectful to other people to boast about looks or try to say that you're better than anybody in a group, even if that's a social experiment.
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	Thank you, Nash.
	We can see your inflated ego of self.
	You lead with nails and coloring because you are a pampered princess.
	You enjoy standing on your soapbox and casting stones, but you're the exact what you criticize.
	There's one more coming after this, but uh, your quick response to that if you want.
	I lived in the Middle East.
	I've survived rocket attacks, I've survived drone attacks, I have volunteered with widows and warriors and people who are amputees and victims of war across the world.
	I, I don't know, that's my response.
	Kiss my ass.
	All right.
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	Keep up the great work.
	Andrew, spit that fire.
	Yeah, I would like to just real quick, and I'll move it right back to you.
	But just so you know, what you just said literally was that the reason that women need to vote is because we need to usurp authority from the men in society right now because they're too weak to have it.
	That was your actual argument.
	I wasn't listening to you easily, but you actually made that argument.
	I wasn't listening to the first half.
	I was making sure I wasn't being aware of it.
	Well, here, I'll go ahead and reiterate.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on.
	No, no, no.
	Stop, stop.
	We can debate on Piers Morgan.
	This is a dating podcast.
	Okay, first on, it sounds like you're scared.
	I kind of left out the colours.
	No, it just sounds like you are.
	Hold on.
	Now I need to address this bullshit here.
	This woman's trying to accuse me of like, I let it slide the first two times.
	You were not fucking like.
	Chase mistakenly put a zin in your drink.
	I object to you trying to frame that, even if as a joke, that he was like trying to drug your drink.
	Now you're actually trying to.
	There's like a little bit of a drink.
	I was just checking out.
	Have you ever had fucking water that has some bubbles in it?
	It's not bubbles.
	It was just something on the top.
	After I poured water into her drink, I poured some of it into fucking mine too.
	Let me make a disclaimer.
	Absolutely ridiculous.
	You would never drug anybody on the show.
	When I say Zin, that's not like a way to drug people.
	It was literally just somebody actually.
	I had a bottle of water next to me.
	I poured some into yours.
	Then I poured some into mine.
	There's nothing fucking.
	It was a thing about him.
	There was nothing.
	Disgusting accusation.
	If you think I'm saying it like that, then I'm sorry that you took it like that.
	There was just some weird shit floating on the top.
	And last time somebody accidentally spouted my cup, so I wanted to double check, but there was nothing in there.
	And I wasn't even afraid of it.
	It's a Costco curl.
	There was shit floating in my cup.
	It's not crazy to say, what is that?
	I don't think you're drugging me.
	I'm that kind of person.
	Maybe you fucking backwatched it.
	I hadn't drank in from it yet, so that's why I was just in my cup.
	It doesn't mean, I don't know why you're getting so upset, Brian.
	Because you stopped the show.
	Oh, what's this?
	And then you're saying, but well, before we continue, let me make sure that he didn't drug my fucking drink.
	I didn't say drug it.
	I said I was looking what was in it because he was saying something and I couldn't look at it.
	Yes, but I need to clear up the air that you're the implication here is that I don't think Zin is drugging somebody.
	There was no zin there.
	There was no implication that you put it in there.
	It could have already been my cup.
	There was just something floating at the top and you were sitting next to me.
	So I said, what do you think that is?
	Yeah.
	I poured it in there.
	I was just, what is that?
	For the girls who saw me pour the water, did you also, after I poured the water into the body?
	No one thinks you poured anything in my cup, Brian.
	There was something floating.
	It could have fallen from the shape.
	I could have turned to her.
	The trauma was sitting too far back.
	It was literally just asking.
	A hair could have been floating there.
	I would say, what do you think that is?
	I don't think you poured it in there.
	Just the way you were framing it seemed fucking wrong.
	I don't think that would.
	Well, I'm sorry that if you felt that, I don't think you would ever do that.
	It was just a little bit of a drink.
	Don't you love apologies like that?
	Like, I'm sorry you feel that way.
	Because I didn't mean it like that at all.
	And I'm sorry if it offended you and that you thought that I framed you in that light because I don't think you would ever do that to anyone.
	I've been ruined over even the hint of an accusation like that.
	So, like, I know for women, you guys can just kind of like, you live in la-la land because you have no fear of being falsely accused of fucking anything, but men's whole careers can be fucking ruined by even the hint of a fucking accusation.
	So, like, yeah, it's no big deal for you, but for us men, we take that shit really seriously.
	I can understand.
	I didn't mean to interrupt that, but if you guys want to continue.
	Well, I just want to say that.
	I want to close that out.
	I understand that.
	I think that's horrible.
	For the record, nobody has ever drugged me or whatever, try to drug me on this.
	Somebody accidentally spit in my cup last time.
	And I just was asking not because I thought you poured anything in.
	I just saw something floating in my cup that looked like dirt or whatever it might be, and I didn't want to chug it if it was something.
	You can't get our own water next to that.
	That's fine.
	I'm just going to do you a favor us pouring your water.
	I know, and I just go get it.
	It had nothing to do with you pouring the water.
	This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
	I understand that men can be extra cautious about it.
	And I won't make any more jokes about it, but it wasn't even a joke.
	I genuinely saw something floating in it, and it had nothing to do with Zins.
	I just wanted to know, and he was talking, so I made a joke.
	I don't know why everybody's so fucking sensitive on this show.
	Next topic.
	Next topic.
	I'm not sensitive.
	You're joking.
	I'm almost.
	Almost.
	I mean, I would just like a very quick answer to this.
	I'm sensitive.
	I'm going to get a fresh glass of water for it because I don't want anybody to be upset about anything.
	So there's a glass of water.
	I know, but apparently, this is a bad water.
	So I'm just going to take it off.
	How is it a bad water?
	She has bad energy on her.
	So I asked her what was floating in it.
	Wow.
	Now she just, this is ridiculous.
	Now she's just gone and tossed the water.
	I was leaving it off the cup because there was something weird in it.
	There was nothing in.
	I just shared it a couple of times.
	There's nothing in your cup.
	There's nothing in your cup.
	Can we?
	By the way, I trust you, but let me just dump the water.
	Oh my God, absurd.
	Never had this happen on the show.
	Let's do something.
	Okay, well, you need to be very clear and like walk back and like just make an affirmative statement on this.
	I'm not going to allow myself to be falsely accused.
	Can I come on?
	There were bubbles of some sort, not in concern of a drug way.
	I saw a little fuzz piece floating in my cup, and I turned to anyone normal and would go, What is that?
	It could have been from beforehand.
	I just had curiosity, and I did not mean to implicate that it had anything to do with you pouring me the water or any of your actions.
	I was just asking anybody like I would hear what their humble opinion, what that was, and that's all.
	And it's gone.
	And I got a fresh water, not because I was concerned, but because maybe there was dirt in my cup from when I first got the cup, and I just wanted a clean cup now.
	So there's that.
	No one's jogging me.
	Nobody's doing anything.
	Is that good?
	It's cleared up.
	And I'm sorry, not that if you felt that way, but I'm sorry if I framed you in that light because that was not my intention.
	Is that okay?
	Next topic.
	Yeah, no, we're good.
	I'll cleared up.
	I'll clear it up.
	Or I would just say that.
	I would actually like an answer to this, just very briefly.
	Is it angel numbers?
	Wait, she said, I want to make sure I'm not getting zinned again.
	Okay, I'll be charitable.
	You were making a joke.
	All right, go ahead, Andrew.
	I'd just like to finish this just because I do want to know.
	I want you to realize that the argument that you just made to me, and this is why, this is why I think that so many women who are in the position you are are covert feminists, because the argument you made to me is that we can't turn the responsibility over to men for voting because they're too weak.
	This, in turn, is actually saying that women need to have authority.
	That's what your actual argument reduces to.
	Do you understand that?
	No matter what I say, you're just going to tell me what you think I am and what you think I know.
	So, I think that at this point, it'd be best if we just moved along because you're clearly not genuine.
	No, my response is that whatever I say, I could say the sky is blue.
	You're like, and she thinks the sky is freaking pink.
	So, I think it's better to just move on and involve the other guests who have been traveled here from far away to be a part of this conversation.
	That was my response to you.
	You can take it or you can cry about it.
	I think that everybody else is here to be a part of a dating conversation.
	There are a lot of topics and situations that people came here to talk about.
	We're already four hours into this podcast.
	I think we've taken enough time from everybody else, and we can do our own situation.
	I'm not going to complain about this, and it is to just answer the question.
	That's my response.
	If you don't like it, that's on you.
	So, you can't answer to the question of why you just said that women need to have authority?
	No.
	Like, I don't know why I don't respond to 1v1 at a later date or so.
	Like, square up.
	Yeah, if we want to have a 1v1, we can discuss that.
	Okay, okay, if that's the case, then the individual is better than you.
	Hang on, that's fair.
	That's fair.
	But can you actually commit right this second that you'll actually do the debate?
	Because here's what I think will happen: I think that you'll say, sure, I'll do a debate, and then the second you're off the show, you'll back out in 15 seconds.
	So, can you make a firm commitment here on the whatever podcast?
	You'll actually do a debate with me 1v1.
	I can make a firm commitment to you that I am open to doing a debate to you.
	We have to see what the logistics are, but I would be open to debating you.
	Maybe, I don't know, I'm not on whatever podcast.
	I leave LA.
	Yeah, we're gonna debate you there, too.
	It doesn't matter where.
	I'd be open to it.
	I'll host.
	I just don't live in California, so I don't know where.
	Neither do I.
	I live in Michigan, but I would fly out specifically to do a 1v1 date.
	The thing is, it's like I just want a commitment, an actual commitment.
	You'll actually get to the point.
	I think it depends on that.
	Yeah, we can arrange for that.
	The Crucible wants to see it.
	All right.
	Good talk.
	Good talk, guys.
	Sounds really good.
	All right.
	Date?
	Do you want to do a date?
	Or like maybe January or something?
	Oh, you want to do January or February?
	Probably closer to February because I have the inauguration and I have a ton of weddings in December.
	And yeah, closer to Febs.
	Febs.
	All right.
	That was really cool.
	We have a chat here from Lucas.
	100.
	Stop tone policing.
	Your message packaging sucks and has no rest.
	Your message, no resonance with any patriarchal man.
	I have no interest whatsoever in any form of whitewashed, hypersanitized, squishy, gynocentric messaging.
	Messagin.
	Messagin.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	I do appreciate it.
	Do you want to respond to Lucas or?
	Okay, Lucas.
	Sounds good.
	All right.
	This is below the threshold.
	Thank you for that, man.
	Okay, all right.
	We're going to get into the questionnaire finally.
	Finally get into the questionnaire here.
	Starting with Callie.
	Callie, you disagree.
	So you said it's not fine, or you disagree that it's fine to ask a woman her body count on the first date.
	Why is that?
	I just think it's a weird question.
	I just, I don't think it's relevant.
	I couldn't tell you my body count because I don't care that much to ever have counted it in my head and held that as something that's important to me.
	So.
	And who else?
	I think a few other people circled that it's you disagree that it's fine to ask a woman her body count on a first date.
	Who else?
	I disagree.
	That's very inappropriate to ask.
	You know, it's none of the men's business of what the woman does.
	You also disagreed?
	Does with her body.
	Tanya, you also disagreed.
	Who's yes, baby girl.
	Yeah, mint to the mic if you can.
	Then I none of you guys behind me.
	And then, Deborah, you also disagree.
	I didn't disagree.
	I have circled that because I think it was a little bit more nuanced.
	I think it's valid for people who have a hard cut off.
	Like, I personally have asked people that question on a second date, a man, because I would never even marry.
	I would never even go on a third date with somebody who had sex with more than like 50 women, 100 women, things like that.
	So I totally respect on that front, but I think the first date aspect to it is just a little strange because you don't really, I mean, maybe for you, you know, after a first date, but I think usually after a first date, you know if you like the person, but to know if that's somebody that you really want to commit to and get to know and I think first date should be fun and late and like two hours, and then the second date a little bit more serious.
	So I just thought it was a little weird on the first date, but I think it's a valid question.
	And like, I never asked my boyfriend, my ex-boyfriend, what his body count we've been together for six years because it doesn't matter what he did before me, you know?
	And going to you, so Emily, you also disagreed.
	Why do you disagree with that?
	Because same, like if it happened before you, I don't think it's necessarily your business as long as you're being like safe with it.
	You know, if they were asking for the concern of like STDs, that's why they want to know how many people you slept with.
	You know, I can't.
	What if it wasn't about STDs?
	Then why is it your business?
	You aren't part of the picture.
	Anything from here on out with you in the picture involves you, but before you?
	Past doesn't matter.
	Yeah.
	Who agrees with that?
	Past does not matter.
	No.
	Agree, agree.
	So you got, would you guys date?
	I mean, it depends what kind of past you have.
	Like, you know, if you're like a porn star, then no.
	I'm not.
	But I was like, not going to date.
	Wait, what?
	But hold on.
	But the man's a porn star.
	Like, if you want a previous porn star.
	Yeah, what's wrong with that then?
	Well, because he's been with a lot of women.
	I wouldn't feel safe.
	his body count well I just want to feel safe with the guy who had a lot of like yeah but it's it's none of his business right Or sorry, none of your business, right?
	Just because you're in porn doesn't mean you have a high body count.
	There's porn.
	Isn't that what porn is?
	It does.
	All about porn.
	I mean, like, I know people that have higher body counts that mean they've never been in porn.
	But that doesn't mean that porn stars don't generally have sex with multiple people.
	Let me make this really simple.
	Do you think comparing the average male porn star to the average male, who's going to have a higher body count?
	Typically a porn star, but sometimes they're not.
	It's not a right set.
	But that's the exception.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, okay.
	So past doesn't matter.
	So let's say, would you want to know if a current partner ever cheated on somebody?
	Oh, yeah, obviously.
	So their past does matter all of a sudden.
	And a little bit.
	Wait, I got a really good question on this.
	Just curious, who said past doesn't matter?
	It was you?
	None of their business.
	No, body count is not their business, but I definitely think like past exes, past relationship behaviors like that.
	Yeah, I got a perfect question for you.
	So was it just you two who have this position?
	Past shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.
	Yeah.
	Would you date a guy who's had homosexual sex?
	No.
	Why not?
	Because that would be kind of fruity, right?
	Okay, and then would you date a man who's had sex with a man?
	I want a straight man.
	Yeah, my preference is just a straight man.
	No, he's straight, but he's had sex with a man.
	That means he's not straight.
	Okay, fine.
	Grant he's bisexual.
	No.
	No, my preference is not a bisexual man.
	Yeah, but he's met you.
	He's no longer dating men anymore.
	And he hasn't dated you.
	Then as long as he's not going to go have sex with any other men.
	No, but he's been.
	Personal preference, I would not.
	It still wouldn't bother you.
	And he changed his mind?
	Yeah.
	Like, if he's macho men, people are like curious.
	So, like, a year before he dated you, he was getting plowed in the ass by a motherfucker.
	No.
	Okay, at least you're honest.
	Yeah, my preference would be no.
	No, but he's done.
	Totally done with men.
	Still know, yeah.
	I just kind of maybe like wish he hadn't told me that because it's like it's none of my business.
	So he told you it, it's the truth of what happened.
	Would it be an issue?
	Um, moving forward, he's completely done with it, then no?
	Would it give you the ick?
	Yeah.
	So, would you even date a guy like that to be a bit of a double-click?
	I mean, it's like, is he thinking about me having sex with guys in the past?
	That would give him the ick too.
	Just like, don't think about that.
	It has nothing to do with him.
	No, but I don't care about him.
	I'm talking about you.
	Yeah, I wouldn't think about it either.
	As long as it's never going to happen again, then I guess experiment once he decided he didn't like it.
	Okay.
	So, the way that y'all feel about you being with a man who fucked another man, that's how we feel about you guys.
	Fucking other guys?
	Fucking other men.
	All right, what if someone lies about being closeted?
	Like, they say they're completely straight.
	But doesn't that make you fruit?
	If you like.
	Sorry, repeat the question again.
	I'll try to engage you.
	I want to say, okay, okay.
	For example, I dated someone for like six months, and they told me they were actually like I caught them in the act of sucking dick.
	Oh.
	Now, like, what do I think?
	Like, I'm traumatized because I thought this guy was straight.
	Does that count as he slept with other men in the past?
	Or, like, and I'm at fault for that, or is that his fault for not being honest?
	I don't know.
	I just want a real man that doesn't do that stuff.
	Is that so hard to find nowadays?
	But, okay.
	Sounds like I need to go to therapy after this.
	Me too.
	Emily and Deborah, you guys said you disagree that men are.
	The thing is, men are not insecure for caring about a woman's body count.
	You both disagreed.
	Why is that?
	I circled it.
	You did circle it, Deborah.
	I disagree, meaning I do think he's insecure for caring about body count.
	Yeah, I think I circled out too.
	Huh?
	I disagree, meaning I do think it's insecure to care about body count.
	Do you know what disagree means?
	What was the statement?
	Men are not insecure for caring about a woman's body count.
	Disagreeing means men are insecure.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and I disagreed with that statement, meaning men are insecure for worrying about body count.
	Right.
	Yes.
	That's saying men aren't.
	Men aren't.
	Why do you think that?
	Do you know the definition of that?
	I mean, she thinks men are insecure for it.
	Yeah, I disagree with the statement, meaning yes, men are insecure for thinking that, for being concerned about that.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, right.
	I guess I also circled it, but not for the same reason.
	I don't think insecure is the right word for it necessarily.
	I don't think it makes them insecure.
	I just think, I don't know.
	Or I disagree with that.
	I just feel like insecure is a weird word to use to describe that.
	I think both people, partners in a relationship, should have some level of concern at all.
	Or they don't, that's fine.
	And then they would be a good match for each other.
	But I think it's very normal and healthy to have some concern about that for bonding, you know, because it makes it harder to bond with people.
	But insecure is just not, I wouldn't call a man insecure for being concerned.
	And why are men insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
	Because like I said, why is that any of your business?
	Like, you weren't part of the picture.
	Maybe if you came to my life sooner, I'm at the love of my life.
	I wouldn't have gone around sleeping with this guy, that guy.
	Would you say that you don't think it's fair?
	Like, would it not be fair for a guy, you tell him your body count, and he, because of your body count, he doesn't want to date you?
	Would that be unfair?
	I think that would be insecure.
	Insecure.
	So I don't think it's unfair because people have their preferences.
	Okay.
	But he would be insecure.
	Yeah, because why does me being with other men before you're even there, like, bother you so much?
	Are you trying to...
	Well, wouldn't it be a mark of security?
	So if the idea is that a person has boundaries and preferences and they're willing to enforce those preferences, it seems like it's the most secure thing you can do.
	But you can't like base someone's behavior from when they're single, like let that affect how they would act when you're in a relationship.
	Because that's when I'm single.
	I wouldn't go sleep around with different people when I'm in a relationship.
	Well, I mean, actually, the best predictor for future behavior is past behavior.
	So, I mean, being single, you can say my past behavior in relationships.
	Who's the psychology degree person?
	Me.
	Yeah, this is actually like a psychological point.
	But you can't compare someone being single to them being in a relationship.
	They act when they know two different people.
	I mean, I agree with this point.
	I don't think you're making a bad point that people can reform and all different sorts of things.
	I'm not even disagreeing with that.
	I'm only disagreeing about one point, which is the idea of insecurity.
	If you have boundaries on what your preferences are and you're not willing to compromise on those boundaries, doesn't that show security, not insecurity?
	I feel like you should be secure with your partner, knowing that they're with you in the present moment and moving forward, they wouldn't repeat the past.
	That doesn't answer my question.
	But I feel like it's double standards because men are.
	Let me repeat the question so I make sure that you understand the question.
	If you have boundaries and you enforce those boundaries, right?
	How is that not a sign of security?
	It is insecure to be concerned over something superficial that didn't involve you and would not be repeated with this new bond that you're involved in.
	Why would you let external factors affect something, like a whole different situation?
	I think it's insecure to worry about, it's kind of like don't worry about things that are out of your control type of thing.
	Like it's kind of insecure to be thinking about what they're doing when you weren't in an innovation.
	Isn't it insecure to try to make a person compromise on their boundaries for your benefit?
	No, because then that's just preference.
	If they don't need to be with me, I said I would respect if Amanda didn't want to be with me because of my boundaries.
	what would make that yeah but the the point here is because why are you so worried about what i did before you Like, why does that affect you and us presently?
	Because you're enforcing your preference.
	You're enforcing your preference and your boundaries.
	And so if you enforce your preference and boundaries, that seems like it's a sign of a secure person.
	An insecure person would be somebody who would compromise on their own boundaries, right?
	But an insecure person is someone who's even concerned about that.
	It's like calling a woman insecure for saying like, oh, why are you liking her photos on Instagram?
	But me being secure is me respecting my relationship boundaries.
	Like, you shouldn't be liking all these women's pictures.
	Okay, well, let's test this.
	But they're going to call me insecure for getting upset over them.
	Is it insecure to not, like, let's say that you really loved the chick.
	You thought she was great.
	And then you found out she had genital herpes.
	And so you said, okay, I'm going to end this relationship because I don't want to be with somebody who has genital herpes.
	Is that insecurity?
	No, that's bringing a health concern into it.
	It happened before.
	It happened before, right?
	But that is something that affects your present partner.
	That is a health concern.
	But all the other hookups before, if you never caught anything, none of that affects your current partner.
	And you did it safely, then it shouldn't really matter.
	Yeah, sure.
	It's a health concern, right?
	But it still conflates to preference.
	So some people's preferences, this health concern wouldn't bother them.
	For other people, the health concern would bother them.
	They're just enforcing their preference, right?
	Well, it's just my preference to not have my boyfriend following girls, but some people are going to say that's insecure for not letting him interact with girls.
	Yeah, I understand that some people would say that.
	I'm not saying that it's an insecurity that you have boundaries.
	And because you have boundaries, you're willing to enforce them.
	That's not insecure.
	That seems like it's a sign of being secure.
	Insecure seems to me like a person who's willing to wane on their boundaries or in some way throw them out the window.
	That seems like a sign of insecurity.
	I think insecurity is more not feeling secure enough in your relationship to not be worried about those external factors.
	If you were secure enough, you wouldn't be worried about who your partner was with before you or who your partner is interacting with online if you were secure enough with all that.
	I think it is insecure to be worried about those superficial things that do not concern you presently.
	Why might I jump in really quick?
	Do you think a man would be insecure if he didn't want to date a woman because she had a body count of 100?
	Wait, can you repeat that?
	But what does that have to do with him?
	This is totally, this is totally central to the conversation.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Oh, wait, you were answering it.
	What does that have to do with him?
	Yeah.
	So, okay, just so we're clear, there would be no, and I'll even grant you that there's no STDs involved.
	Somehow she's fucking played Russian roulette with her pussy, still didn't get an STD.
	A thousand men.
	She's been with a thousand men before him.
	Still insecure.
	As long as she's not still talking to those men, or nothing's going to happen.
	10,000.
	Damn.
	She's been with 10,000 men before him.
	Still insecure.
	What is there to complain about, though?
	Like, is her coochie loose?
	Is she concerned, is it affecting your health?
	Like, exactly.
	What is the problem?
	That's just a matter of possession and trying to objectify someone and be like, oh, you're like less to me.
	You're like stalking who he's following.
	You're not going to be able to do that.
	Well, that's present.
	That's present moment.
	But what happened before doesn't matter.
	I bet you still get jealous of the chicks he used to fuck.
	Me personally, yes.
	I'm insecure.
	I can admit that.
	But I would admit that it's insecure for a man, too.
	What?
	Yeah, but why would it be insecure if, like, you do realize that men have a revolt factor in them, right?
	And for good reason.
	They have a revolt factor for good reason.
	The idea being that the less men that a woman has been with, the more likely that you can secure paternity, right?
	So this is the idea.
	The idea is that until modern times in paternity tests, the only way you could determine if a child was yours is if a woman exclusively was having sex with you, right?
	There was no other way to determine that.
	So it's wired into men to have a revolt factor to a woman's promiscuous behavior, right?
	It's actually wired in.
	So if that's the case, right, then the premise here is, hey, they find it revolting.
	Why would it be a sign of insecurity to, you know, for some reason do the thing you thought was revolting?
	That's it.
	It just seems the opposite to me.
	But isn't it also like biologically ingrained in women to like find a provider and such like that?
	Yes, I think so.
	So.
	So you would think that they would tailor if they wanted a provider and they knew that men generally tend to find higher body counts to be revolting.
	If women were moving towards that, you would think that they would keep their body counts low on purpose, right?
	Like that makes sense, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but not all men care about that type of stuff.
	And so I think that's a good idea.
	Well, that's true.
	Not all do.
	Not all do.
	But the type of men that you would probably want probably care about that kind of stuff, right?
	Exactly.
	Yeah, but then there's a type of men who care about what the woman's body count is, but totally dismisses what his own body count is.
	And that's what double standards are.
	Women tend to not care about that at all.
	In fact, it's the opposite.
	It's very bizarre.
	And this has always been a strange phenomenon to me, but I've actually seen men who are virgins in their 30s get shamed by women and told, well, wait, there must be actually something wrong with you if other women don't desire you.
	They're like, there must be something wrong with you.
	I've actually seen that, but I don't really see that phenomenon in reverse, which is strange.
	Like men definitely desire women who have no body count.
	Like they definitely desire that.
	But on the athletic.
	Every guy wants a virgin.
	They don't seem to give a shit too much about a man's body count.
	I don't know.
	Some men like their women a little seasoned.
	Maybe they're a little more experienced.
	But most of them just want a virgin.
	So you guys just go a 15-year-old then.
	It hasn't done like what?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I don't understand.
	Why are they assuming that?
	So is it not weird for a 40-year-old to be a virgin?
	Because my brother's a 40-year-old and he's a virgin.
	So I think a lot of women would see that as a rare.
	I don't have a body count, and I have a brother who's a virgin.
	He's 40.
	What about him?
	I find that kind of weird.
	Okay.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That makes sense.
	Well, that makes sense, right?
	I think that most women would say that's weird.
	That's weird.
	That's odd.
	That's strange that he's 40 and a virgin, right?
	This actually is making my point for me.
	And so what does she do immediately?
	She's like, oh, well, if you want a virgin, go find a 15-year-old.
	What does the big 15 have to do with their virginity?
	Like, all of this, all of that is just a straight up shaming tactic.
	It's all shaming tactic to just tell a man it's inappropriate for you to not want a woman with a high body count.
	That's just insane.
	And actually, it's interesting.
	Like, the 40-year-old male virgin is like a lot of women, like the women that would date him in terms of like, you know, respective age or whatever.
	The women in that age range, that's going to probably be a big red flag for the vast majority of women.
	But like somehow there's a 40-year-old virgin woman.
	I would argue that she's going to be pretty highly coveted by a lot of men in her own age range.
	They're going to be like, whoa, that's rare.
	Like a unicorn.
	Whereas the dude's going to be looked at as a weirdo, right?
	Yeah, dudes.
	Yeah.
	Dude's going to be like, that's super weird.
	It depends on the reason, too.
	Like, I would be like, why are you a virgin at 40?
	Because he lives with us mom and plays video games.
	Okay.
	Works a job, but I'm a sick person.
	That's different.
	Like, go out and shading life or something.
	Do some bed.
	I personally don't find it like any problem with a virgin man at all.
	But like 40?
	I would ask, like I said, I would ask.
	That is sex.
	Yeah, right.
	But that's the whole key, right?
	I think a teacher.
	You would ask because you think it's weird.
	Right?
	You would ask because you think it's weird.
	I mean, that's unusual for sure.
	Because he could just be like really religious and he just hasn't found the girl.
	I don't know.
	And that's cute.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	That's what I'm just saying.
	Also, the fact that you think it's weird is the point that I'm trying to make.
	The fact that you even think it's odd to begin with is showing this kind of distinction, which we're looking at, which is that definitely men seem to be very happy with women with low body counts and seem to prefer it if they can get one.
	Whereas women don't seem to care nearly as much about men having a higher body count.
	And this could have something to do with the penetrative nature of it.
	I'm not exactly sure why, but that does seem to be the case.
	I mean, I disagree.
	I personally do care about my man's body count.
	I feel like it's super important for me to know, especially because sex is such a spiritual thing that in my eyes, I feel like you should only share with one person, even though I know you guys probably disagree with that.
	But that's just the reason why I would probably care.
	I would care.
	Well, I agree with you that there's many individual women, many individual women that would care about this.
	But if we're talking about the wide scope of women, generally speaking, they don't seem to care as much about it as men care about it.
	I guess that's the point that I'm after.
	Not that individual women don't care about it because I know tons that do.
	Quick question for you.
	You said that I don't know if you said some men or a lot of men, they prefer their women more seasoned.
	So like more sexually experienced.
	yeah some of them but yeah i mean so they like to date strippers only fans girls Yeah, those guys are degenerates.
	So I guess my question to you is: do you think, like, realistically speaking, do you think when it comes to the sexual experience component?
	Uh, well, I suppose men would like, you know, woman who is quote-unquote good in bed, although if you're a man and you know how to, you have some degree of sexual experience, you can have a pretty stellar sexual experience with an inexperienced woman or even a virgin.
	Do you think most men, like if the trade-off is she's a bit, she's marginally better in the bedroom or even much better in the bedroom, but this entails that she's fucked 20 additional men before me.
	Do you think most men make that trade-off?
	I don't think they think about that.
	Like, oh, she's better in bed.
	Oh, she's probably fucked more people.
	Like, it could be she's been in the natural long relationships.
	Oh, but yeah, but you gotta like, yes, I agree with, in fact, I may argue this point all the time.
	A woman who has a low body count, who's been in, you've, what, two relationships, right?
	Two long-term relationships, she's probably better in bed than the woman who's had a hundred one-night stands with a hundred different men.
	I only fucked one men one time.
	I can agree with that because of my relationship.
	So, this idea that the higher the body count, she's going to be better in bed.
	I doesn't really compute necessarily because she could have had just a bunch of one-night stands.
	I said there's some correlation.
	But your whole statement, I don't know why you bring that up because your whole statement here is we're talking about women with higher body counts.
	And your position is your argument for, like, oh, men would prefer a woman with a higher body count is because she's more seasoned.
	In other words, more sexual experience.
	It's like kind of frustrating.
	Like, I don't know.
	I'm not saying it's causation necessarily.
	Sleeping with more people makes you better in bed, but I'm saying that it gives you more experiences.
	Like, maybe that person's more open sexually.
	They'd be down to have threesomes.
	They'd be down to go to orgies with you.
	Whereas a virgin, maybe a virgin would not be as open to those sexual experiences.
	But why would a guy who's already screening for low body count women, why would he want to be a person?
	No, I said a woman.
	I said a woman.
	I said guys who prefer a seasoned woman.
	You said, why would guys prefer a seasoned woman if necessarily they aren't better in bed?
	I'm saying maybe their sexual preferences and what they're open to.
	So they're a cuck.
	No.
	You said he wants to bring his girl to an orgy.
	No, I said let other men fuck her.
	Like being with a stripper, I'd say she might be more open to using sex toys, trying role play, trying threesomes.
	But if you were to fuck a virgin, maybe she'd be kind of more closed off to those things.
	That's what I mean by more seasoning.
	This complicated procedure.
	Look.
	It's different for everyone.
	But again, I'll ask the question again because you didn't even give me an answer.
	So the question is, do you think most men, do you think most men, if they get a woman who's a bit better in bed, the trade-off being that she's fucked 20 other dudes?
	Do you think most men make that trade-off?
	What trade-off is happening?
	They're okay with her fucking 20 more people because she's better in bed?
	Can I ask you a question?
	How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	Lightheaded?
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	She took that.
	She took that round, Bryce.
	I just, I could repeat myself.
	I don't know if that'll help you understand.
	Well, what do you mean by trade-off, though?
	He's okay with her fucking 20 more people because she's a little bit better in bed?
	Okay, so you're saying.
	I think no matter how she gets good in bed is none of your concern.
	Just be fucking grateful that she's with you and she's fucking you good, whether she slept with 20 men before you or one guy for a long time, like in my case.
	But okay, so you're saying your position is that body count doesn't matter.
	And one of the benefits of a woman who has more sex, who has more higher body count, is she's more seasoned, she has more sexual experience, and this is going to lead to conceivably better sex.
	So I'm asking you, do you think most men are willing to make that trade-off of the woman is better in bed, therefore I will accept a woman with a higher body count because she's better in bed?
	Yeah.
	Some guy wants a certified eater who will make him nut in five seconds, or do he want the unexperienced girl who takes an hour to get him off?
	Like, it's just, it doesn't.
	Since when is it women who like y'all?
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	So yeah, there's men.
	There's like some Kumar fucking D-Gen men.
	Yeah, I guess who would prefer that.
	Do you think most men who like want a girlfriend, do you think that those men who have a girlfriend and if the girlfriend is not like up to par sexually, although it's something that can be worked on and communicated and talked of, he would be like, you know what?
	I just wish you came better experienced already.
	And the entailment of that is that you've had an additional 20 sexual partners.
	Do they make the trade-off?
	No, because like I said, it's not causation.
	Higher bodies do not equal better in bed.
	Your position.
	Your position.
	Oh my God, bro.
	Your position is that a woman with a higher body count is more seasoned.
	No, all I said was it doesn't matter how she became good in bed.
	That's none of your concern.
	That should not be a judgment of character.
	That should not be a defining factor in your relationship.
	I feel like because, like I said, if there's no health concern, if there's no loyalty concern, then what is the concern?
	That's a matter of like objectifying someone, feeling like they're less worthy because they've experienced more.
	That's just not a good way to value someone because they've been with more people.
	What?
	You said it's objective.
	I agree that sex is like spiritual connections.
	I'm not the types to sleep around with anybody either.
	Like, but some people choose to do that with their bodies, so that doesn't make them any less of a person or any worthy of being a girlfriend or any less loyal in a relationship.
	No, it doesn't.
	Yes.
	I think somebody, I'm a yes, somebody who has a high body count is going to be deemed less desirable in the sexual marketplace.
	Sorry.
	This is a metric by which men determine whether they want to be with a woman.
	Some men.
	But in the end, at the end of the day, if she never tells you, how would you ever know?
	Like that really isn't her.
	Okay.
	At the end of the day, if she doesn't tell you, that doesn't change anything in your relationship.
	That doesn't make the sex any better or less.
	It does not make the love anymore or less.
	It does not make her any better as a person.
	Yes, she's more or less promiscuous or loyal in a relationship.
	Because that has nothing to do with the relationship or that specific person.
	Okay, cool.
	So respond to this.
	You just said if she doesn't tell you, okay, so if I ask her and she lies about it.
	No, I'm saying that it's not the end of the world because that's not a determining factor.
	It doesn't change anything physically in the relationship.
	Yeah, she lied about it.
	You said you said if she doesn't.
	No, I'm saying at the end of the day, if you never knew what her body count is, what does that change in your relationship?
	I can actually look, I'll even give you a scenario where this could be an issue.
	So a woman who has more connections with men, albeit this is kind of like one of the more like niche arguments that can be made.
	A woman who's made more connections with men, it's inevitable that she's landed on a fucking crazy dude.
	And if you're involved with a crazy fucking ex, then that's an issue for me.
	That can be for girls who don't sleep around with people who have just poor tasted men or just experienced bad men in their life.
	That doesn't equate to high body count either.
	Huh?
	That doesn't equate to high body count.
	People can have crazy.
	Not necessarily, but you think the virgin woman who's never had a long time.
	She can be with an abusive man.
	You got to stop interrupting.
	The virgin woman, who do you think is more likely to have done the roulette until she's landed on a crazy fuck?
	The chick who's fucked 100 dudes or the virgin?
	Who?
	What if the virgin has only ever encountered the one horrible, crazy, abusive man?
	I can't argue with somebody who just immediately every time goes to like the exception to the rule.
	I just can't even have a conversation.
	Maybe a virgin wouldn't know her self-worth or like what else is out there in the dating field to pick better men.
	And the virgin is the one who ends up with those crazy exes because they don't have those sexual encounters with more men.
	That actually makes it.
	I mean, from Brian's perspective, basically, you're just saying that the virgin should go out and have sex with more men so that she doesn't end up inexperienced with men she's not having sex with.
	That's what your argument there would reduce to.
	Wait, you or me?
	Me?
	You, yeah.
	Oh, wait, what were you going to say?
	So what are I guess?
	What are acceptable metrics that men are allowed to disqualify a woman on them?
	Their past relationships.
	Have you cheated on your past partners when you're in like a loyal, committed, exclusive relationship?
	Like, have you gone through their phone?
	Or, you know, have you been cheated on?
	Those are, I feel, like, determining factors of like past trauma, future behaviors in relationships, and like telltale signs of like loyalty and such.
	But you shouldn't.
	What is considered toxic to you?
	So, I mean, yeah, like not being respectful of like your opinions and your feelings.
	What if your boyfriend was going through your phone and make an argument with you every time he found a new girl on your phone?
	Wouldn't you actually like get pissed off?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, my past relationship was toxic, and that's why my ex broke up with me.
	I'm fully aware of that.
	Okay, okay.
	And I know I have baggage that needs to be healed.
	I'm not dodging accountability for you.
	Last question on this.
	Do you think that it would be wrong for a guy to not want to date an ex-sex worker?
	It's not wrong.
	I think that's just preference, too.
	But it's in her past, right?
	Yeah, so he should not do it anymore.
	Yeah, he should be open to the idea of like, she's a changed person.
	As long as she won't do that to you, it shouldn't matter what happened in her past.
	It was just her way of making money.
	You know, it's not her being disloyal to you or disrespecting you, and it won't happen again.
	Okay.
	Well, let's see.
	Let's get into more of the questionnaire stuff.
	Women should go 50-50 on a date.
	Bridget, you disagreed.
	Amelia, you disagreed.
	Emily, also disagree.
	Especially on a first date, that's crazy.
	I think Deborah disagree.
	Tanya also disagree.
	What's crazy?
	I'm going on a first date, the girl has to be expected to pay $50-50 of the date that you're inviting her on.
	So it's like, if you're inviting me out to a date, why do I have to pay if you're the one initiating this?
	So whoever asks should pay?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No.
	Interesting how that works.
	But I would.
	But I would.
	I'm not like saying, oh, I would never pay or anything.
	Like, no, I have paid for guys.
	I have bought them stuff.
	I have been like in that role.
	But I also enjoy.
	I'm just on a first date.
	Or, like, you're five years into a relationship.
	I've never five years in a relationship.
	I've never, like, a first date, like, offer, like, oh, I'm going to take care of it.
	Don't worry.
	Like, you have or you have not?
	I have not.
	And then I think I would because I want to see if he's a provider or not, if he's actually a man.
	Because those are like the roles of a man.
	Am I wrong?
	Well, okay, I'm interested in going into should claims on this.
	So just show of hands going around the table.
	Should men pay for the first date?
	Should.
	Should?
	For the first year.
	Into the mics, guys.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Deborah, yes.
	Yes.
	I don't agree.
	Should women cook and clean?
	Yes, I do.
	Should women be submissive?
	Yes.
	If the man is leading correctly, the woman should be submissive.
	Should women.
	Should women.
	They'll be submissive because that man's job.
	Chastity.
	Should women be virgins?
	Be virgins?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	How many any virgins at the table?
	Me.
	Okay.
	I was in the relationship with myself.
	Born-again virgin.
	Born-again virgin.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	I was just asking, you said if men are leading properly, they should be submissive.
	Who's going to determine that the man is leading properly?
	Does it not say in the Torah or Bible or wherever you want to reference it as, that a woman should submit to a husband who is worthy?
	And loyal and provide a biblical value?
	That is, because I'm very religious.
	That a man should, and that's what I was saying beforehand, where I stand by what I said, that this generation, not for many reasons, not only their fault, things that came before them.
	What it means, I don't want to speak for men, but overall, I think if there has been a decline on both sides of gender roles, and this is by design in our society, to take away gender roles and say that there's no difference between a man and a woman, which I vehemently disagree with.
	And overall, I think that men should be worthy leaders.
	There's a lot of crazy men, just like there's a lot of crazy women.
	Do you have your phone?
	Yeah.
	Did you not hear the instructions to not be on your phone?
	I never put it back after I showed you the picture.
	What's that?
	I just didn't go back over there.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Go ahead.
	The picture.
	Sorry, Deborah.
	Go ahead.
	No, it's fine.
	Just, I mean, I stand by what I said, which I think that what it comes down to, a man who can provide, protect, and show that he is a strong leader absolutely deserves a woman who can trust him.
	And this is, I think, a big misalignment within society where I think deep down women really do want to submit to men.
	They want to be able, as we say in Girl World, just turn your brain off when you're on a date.
	You don't want to be in your life.
	You're in your feminine power where you're walking.
	And you can really, and what I said with the sourdough and nails and stuff like that, clearly you don't understand jokes, but that's just my style.
	When I think speaking, I think embracing your femininity, women, because we've been pushed into the workforce and had to unconsciously or unwillingly take on a lot of the male roles, like being the provider, being the protectors, things of that nature, has led women to not be able to embrace their femininity.
	And so I think in a good relationship, a man will be able to embrace and flourish in his masculinity.
	And the same with the woman.
	And whatever that means, being a homekeeper, being a matriarch, being a really soft landing space for her husband to land on, and providing that environment.
	Okay, so my follow-up question to you would just be this then.
	If that is the case, and this is what you believe, if you actually wanted men to have the authority inside of society and the responsibility, why would you advocate that women could vote?
	Because I think you keep deleting the most important part of this, which is that not every single man right now and at large, there is a lack of strong fathers.
	There's a lot of things that lead into, and this is not only a male problem, there's a female problem too.
	There are a lot of factors that lead into men.
	This is like the man or the bear question, if we get to that.
	That I think not every man right now, just being a man doesn't inherently make you worthy of being a leader.
	I think that you have to show that you are a leader, and this is true across the history of the world.
	Every single shepherd in the Torah, in the original book, was chosen for a lot of their specific qualities.
	There's a reason why those men were chosen to be leaders.
	Same with Donald Trump.
	There may be other men who share similar qualities to him, but there's a reason why he was chose to lead, as opposed to any random guy that you can maybe find on the side of the street in LA who's cat calling women.
	I think that men who are worthy and live up to what it means to be leaders and protectors and also have kind hearts, not softies, but just overall good men, in my definition of it.
	I think those men are worth leading.
	And I don't think just because you're a man that automatically makes you a perfect, amazing leader.
	We've seen that throughout all of society.
	So, how is this argument not actually contradictory?
	Because you're saying essentially that you need to reduce men's authority because you don't think that they're in a good position to lead women.
	You don't think that men in society are good enough leaders.
	And since they're not good enough leaders, you need to have authority.
	So that when did I say, and sorry to cut you off, but I'm saying this is what this is.
	When did I say any of that?
	I'm explaining.
	I'm explaining.
	This is an logical entailment of your argument.
	If you say to me, I'm advocating that women be able to vote because there's too many men in society who, if we give authority to, are going to lead me wrong, then you're actually saying that you need to have authority so that you can determine who's a leader and who isn't a leader.
	That actually is stripping authority away from men.
	Like this is the logical entailment.
	I don't see a way around it.
	No, I think you're just taking it how you take it, which no matter how I say it, you're just interpreting it and saying what you want to say.
	I've said a million times.
	What's illogical about what I'm saying?
	I didn't say the word illogical.
	You keep taking what I say and then just changing what I'm saying and then saying, so you're saying this.
	And then when I say no, I didn't say that.
	When did I say we should take power away from men?
	When did I say that we should take power away from men?
	When did I say that once?
	I'm showing you the entailment of the logic.
	Here, I'll literally break down really, really simple.
	Here, I'll show you.
	So, premise one.
	I don't need you to show me.
	I need you to tell me when I said that because I'm saying what I say, and you're telling me what you think I genuinely believe, and you still won't address the point.
	But he can talk over me whenever he wants.
	And then, if I talk over him, it's because I'm a woman who wants to have men removed from society.
	I've moderated Andrew tonight.
	You got to let him finish.
	How many times can you tell me what I think I said and what I think I mean?
	You're a mouth.
	You're a mouth.
	I just keep saying that, though.
	Okay, stop.
	Just go ahead, Andrew.
	It's just like this: just premise one: men need to lead.
	Okay, premise two: in order for men to lead, they need to have authority.
	Premise three, women need to vote.
	Premise four: why do women need to vote?
	They need to vote because men aren't adequately leading, so women need to have authority.
	That's the entire syllogism.
	So then the conclusion is men are not capable of leading, so women need to have authority so that they can pick the men that need to lead them.
	So it's actually stripping authority away from men.
	I don't know a way around that.
	Like, I'm literally repeating.
	And you still haven't addressed, again, that was not what I said.
	I didn't say men need to lead.
	I said they should lead.
	Ideal men, ideally, men should be the leaders of society.
	But I don't think you still won't address 15 times over, you're telling me what you think I said, but you won't address the one point, which is there has been a decline in what it means to be a man in terms of masculinity, in terms of chivalry, everything like that.
	Across the board, there has been a decline.
	So, if you agree with me that men are not, and this isn't only a male thing, but just speaking about men as leaders, that men at large, there has been a decline of what men's role in society has been, what they feel to be a man, and all of that combined means that right now doesn't mean we should take authority away from men's.
	It's the one thing you won't address is that I think we as a society, as women, as men, as Americans, as whatever, should work towards getting back to a place where men and women are more strong and embrace their femininity and their masculinity.
	And I think that will lead us to a better place where women who can embrace their femininity will naturally approach matriarchy.
	They will naturally say, wait, maybe, you know what?
	I actually don't love my corporate job.
	I know a lot of women who have convinced themselves that being powerful and that they need to work for 30 years and make a million dollars and then they'll have kids in their 40s.
	And then I personally don't agree with that.
	And I think that if we as a society get back to a place where originally women were not expected to be in the workforce, things of that nature, then men hopefully can recover and whatever that means to them.
	And masculinity can become something that means more to them and is not seen as like, talk, I'm not done.
	Toxic masculinity, all of that stuff.
	I'm almost done.
	You can wait.
	All that toxic masculinity stuff has taught men to feel bad about themselves and not embrace their masculinity.
	So I think the most important part of this is not stripping away power from men or saying women are better to lead.
	I think we need to focus on fixing that issue, whether it's through strong fatherhood, whether it's through stopping this idea that everybody's saying toxic masculinity anytime a man wants to actually act like a man, opening the door for a woman and a woman gets offended.
	I think moving away from that as a society will get us to a place where men at large will be better equipped to lead society.
	And it doesn't mean that right now I'm not saying if I really meant it, I would say it.
	I'm not having any secret arguments.
	I'm saying what I mean, which is the step one, I think ideally, men should be the leaders.
	And the step to get there is to fix masculinity.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So here, so to address, you keep saying I want to address this argument, but the argument was my premise.
	So the thing is, is when you say, okay, but you haven't addressed what's going on with men in society and the lower testosterone and the fact that they're not leading as well.
	But I actually did.
	That was a premise of my original argument, which is the reason that you see a failure in men in society is because they have all the responsibility without the authority.
	They have the responsibility absent the authority.
	I say, okay, so how do we fix that?
	How do we fix the idea here that you have additional responsibilities without authority?
	Your premise here is, well, we need to move back to all of these things, which are preambles to women voting, by the way.
	All of these things that you're pointing to, this is pre-women's suffrage.
	And so I go, okay, well, that makes sense.
	So then why is it then that you would say that men, right, who have this additional responsibility as leaders, right, you wouldn't want them to have the authority to exercise that responsibility?
	That seems like it's ultimately what you want.
	What's going on is you have an actual internal conflict here.
	The conflict is, I want to be a strong, empowered woman, while at the same time advocating that there's a patriarchy.
	It's like you can't have both.
	You don't know.
	Patriarchy, hang on, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Either the patriarchy is empowered with the authority to lead or it is not.
	And if you say it's not empowered with the authority to lead, women need to be able to select the leaders.
	You have a matriarchy then, not a patriarchy.
	You have a second class that has additional responsibilities women don't have, but have a limited amount of authority or equal authority to women.
	That's the opposite of patriarchy.
	It makes no sense.
	You, I just don't understand what position or where you're coming from where you consistently think that you know what I actually feel.
	I'm having an internal conflict.
	You don't know anything about my values before the show.
	Maybe you follow me.
	I don't know.
	No, you're not listening to what I'm saying.
	You're saying the opposite of what I say every single time, and that's why it's just so frustrating.
	I have an internal conflict because I want to be an empowered woman.
	You're pushing what you clearly don't like about women onto me, somebody that you clearly don't know much about, or my power.
	You can happily look through my social media.
	I'm not listening to your arguments.
	Based off of that, you are saying that I am clearly a secret feminist who wants to be an empowered woman woman.
	Finally said it right for everybody else.
	But you're telling me that based off absolutely what?
	Nothing.
	Absolutely nothing.
	Logic.
	I'm showing you logic.
	No, that's not logic.
	That is you trying to push what you think about women onto me trying to catch me in some way.
	I'm showing you a logical position.
	What have I said?
	Or what have I displayed throughout my life that shows that I want to be an empowered woman where men are on the sidelines and don't have power?
	You are advocating that women vote.
	If you ask women vote, the entailment is women have authority.
	Well, women can vote.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I'm answering your question.
	So if the entailment is that women have authority and equal authority to men, that's not a patriarchy.
	It's the opposite of a patriarchy.
	That's no longer a patriarchy.
	So if men have additional responsibility, right, but they only have equal authority, then they don't have the authority to lead.
	They don't have the authority to lead because you can negate their authority anytime you want.
	That's the entailment of your logic.
	When you say, what have I displayed in my personal life? has nothing to do with the logic of your argument.
	It's an illogical argument.
	It makes no sense.
	Either you want men and a patriarchy, so you want men to have the authority to lead and the responsibility thereof, or you don't.
	But you can't say, but I need to be equal with them in political status for them to lead.
	That's the opposite of your own position.
	Makes no sense.
	No, I don't live in a fantasy world.
	I live in the current world where women do have the right to vote.
	And if you are advocating for women losing the right to vote, that is something that I don't agree with.
	And I don't know why you think women shouldn't vote.
	If I think men should lead us right now, it's not an option in front of me.
	Should women not have the right to vote?
	Women have the right to vote.
	This isn't the 1800s like a lot of people want us to go back to, apparently.
	This is modern history.
	And if you're asking me if I would repeal this, no, I would absolutely not.
	If I think in an ideal society, men should be the leaders of society.
	Yes, but I don't understand why you think you're catching me.
	How do I want them to lead?
	Without authority to lead, how?
	Well, why do you think that you said it yourself that the only reason the downfall of masculinity and all this stuff is because men don't have the authority to exercise their leadership?
	That's the only reason that men and masculinity has declined.
	That's ridiculous.
	I think that's ridiculous.
	Listen, it's not all the all the things that you would consider.
	Like if I told you to point to a time where you thought men were strong leaders, you'd point to.
	The greatest generation that my grandpa didn't.
	You would point to pre-suffrage.
	If I asked you when were men better men, you'd point to pre-suffrage.
	If I asked you any of these things, you would point to pre-suffrage.
	How do you know?
	You haven't asked me.
	This is exactly what you've been doing the whole time.
	You have this idea.
	When were men better men?
	Tell me.
	Answer me.
	Women were men better men.
	I'm asking you.
	You want me to ask you?
	i'm asking you when but this is why it's just not even like i could go back and forth with you but everything i've said this entire time i give you a solid answer and you flip it and say well you think this you think that because you're just trying to men were men better men Just answer, please.
	You won't answer.
	You're not going to answer.
	Because it doesn't matter what I answer to you.
	You think you know what I believe and you're going to tell me what I actually think.
	Thank you.
	Despite every other question you've asked me, you've had the same reaction.
	And so I just don't think there's any point of me telling you something because whatever I say.
	You brought it up.
	I've said a thousand times what I think and you keep telling me I'm on undercover this or I really think this or that.
	I'm going to ask you a question.
	Okay, nice.
	When were men better men?
	Can you answer the question?
	I don't know why we need to do a bunch of emotional outbursts.
	Can you just answer that?
	Emotional outbursts.
	You called me a covert feminist saying all these personal attacks because I said what?
	That I think women should vote?
	I'm giving you declarative statements of fact.
	I haven't personally attacked you at all.
	So the thing is, is like, just very quickly, can you just tell me when you think men were better men?
	When?
	What's the time period?
	I'm not going to.
	Of course not.
	Of course not.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Can I do it anyway?
	I can't force her to engage in the conversation.
	But, Deborah, while we get through your notes here, so, and we'll get everybody on the panel here.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	I wrote this on the chart.
	I said $200,000.
	I'm from New York City, so that's a pretty crazy number.
	I think in smaller cities you could have less, but in New York, I think you need to make at least $150,000 to live comfortably between taxes and everything.
	So I think that's a good starting salary where you can be comfortable even on a single income if I would have the pleasure of being a stay-at-home mom one day.
	All right, you also said, or actually, let me let this come through before.
	Meet the Kaiser donated $200.
	Thank you, Kaiser.
	Dating is hard.
	Every time the one girl at the beginning that I say, hey, she seems nice, she's cute, always ends up being the one in a thumbnail with Andrew the next day.
	This is the Kaiser's curse.
	The one girl at the beginning?
	Oh, okay.
	Kaiser, thank you so much for the TTS, man.
	I do appreciate it.
	And I'll let the other chats come through in a little bit.
	But so, how tall are you, Deborah?
	And what's the minimum height of a man that you would date?
	I am five foot nine, and the minimum height for me would be six feet because I am six feet in heels, but I have the longest relationship I've ever been in.
	He was actually like five, nine and a half because I really do believe in like, I'm just one of those people that I can think people are cute when I meet them, but I eventually actually get feelings based off their personality and who they are.
	Okay.
	And then I want to, it'd be nice to get everybody back seated at the table here for this one, but I want to get into the bear thing.
	So, but not everybody's here, so I have to wait.
	While we're waiting, I will let some chats come through.
	We have Lucas, who's fed you this delusion based on the generally stated metrics.
	I fall in the top 5%.
	I guarantee you that my wife's past sexual temperance was a huge litmus test for me marrying her.
	It's a monster ick for us.
	Do you have a response to this?
	Well, I'm glad that that's your determinating factor for who you marry.
	Can you take the water off the table, please?
	And then we have Beaten Cheeks.
	He says, I have an idea.
	How about grifting feminist conservatives like Deb stop trying to be argumentative, show some respect, perhaps you'll be taken serious, lower your entitled standards, then you'll be happy.
	Do you want to respond to Beat in Cheeks?
	You spelled respect wrong.
	How dare you, Beaten.
	You've.
	I just think it's funny that people will always try and say, oh, you're an undercover feminist, like haters.
	Not genuine people.
	People say you're a feminist.
	You're a fake conservative.
	It's always the extreme far-right people who say this because maybe I don't share the exact same version of conservatism as they do.
	And that doesn't change anything about me.
	I just think it's a dumb argument because look at my record across the board.
	I have been doing amazing things for the conservative movement, for Republican candidates in this country for conservative values in my community and across the world at large.
	So, I mean, I just don't get personally offended by anybody who doesn't know me saying things about me because that's what being a social media person is all about.
	People think they know you.
	I happen to actually have a book here called Secret History of Women's Liberation, written by a wonderful academic.
	But she goes over the roots of feminism and the contrary positions that feminists will often take.
	And one of the contrary positions, which we were just discussing, that freaks you out so badly, you get so emotional you can't even have a coherent conversation about it.
	But what she's trying to demonstrate is that most of the problems in modernity that you're speaking about are tied to the suffrage movement themselves.
	And she makes a very compelling case for this.
	I suggest you pick up her book.
	It's called Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation.
	It's very good.
	You called me a Missandris, but you clearly just get off on putting women down.
	And that's what I just think is silly about this whole situation.
	I've been trying to have a reasonable discussion with you, and you've been freaking out the entire time.
	This is exactly, like, I just, I think you're showing your true colors in this sense, where what I said in the beginning still stands true.
	You're trying, you're an emotional woman, you're this, you're freaking out when you've had the same response as me.
	And you were so proud to make a woman cry and tell her, yeah, you should be crying, even though I agree.
	I think the situation was a very bad situation, but I don't think trying to make somebody cry.
	I don't want to make the horrific people.
	No, I think that that's a bad act.
	But I think as a person who wants to represent godly values, just going out of your way to make somebody cry and be proud of that is not a thing to be proud of.
	I think you can get your point across and have somebody come to the light in other ways.
	And if that makes me a fake conservative, that I don't think I should go out of my way to attack people with my words, that I can use my words to change their mind and their hearts.
	She has a man sleeping in a bed on her floor.
	Defend her harder.
	Go ahead.
	I've never defended it.
	The whole time we had a conversation about that, I said multiple things.
	Are you going to let me talk, Lucy?
	Every time I talk, you talk over me, but then when you talk, I have to shut up.
	Katie, you talk five times as much as me.
	Calm down.
	Tell me to calm down, please.
	Thank you.
	I did.
	You can't be like, I'm just going to filibuster the conversation, talk for 20 minutes, and you can have 30 seconds, Andrew.
	It's retail.
	I've listened to you, and I've caught myself.
	It's like, relax.
	You could just have the conversation without freaking out.
	It's not any other things you want to say to a woman like that?
	Cutting me off again, cutting me off again.
	You definitely compete to defend the horrible acts of horrible people.
	I'm not defending.
	I'm condemning you for the way you delivered that.
	I'm not defending your acts whatsoever.
	I said straight up that having a child in that environment is repeating the cycle.
	I'm going to get a point out.
	This is me free.
	Okay.
	Here, I'll move the conversation on, okay, guys.
	Look.
	I mean, can I just get a point out?
	Like, you know, can I just get a point out?
	Can I just get a point out?
	Stop freaking out, buddy.
	Babe, just take a breath.
	Just take a chill.
	Just relax.
	It's okay.
	You don't have to be so emotional.
	It's fine.
	It's okay.
	Just don't freak out.
	Just smoke your sigs and take a breath.
	Just smoke your sigs and take a beat.
	You're spurging out.
	Calm down.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying.
	Relax, buddy.
	Defend horrible people.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	You're okay.
	Andrew, as somebody with autism, I'm very offended.
	Yeah, very offended.
	I'm deep.
	I'm very triggered, Andrew.
	How dare you use that pejorative word?
	I mean, the combo is a good look.
	It's not a good idea.
	No, he called you a.
	No, he didn't.
	No, he said you were spurging out.
	He didn't say you were Asperger's or autistic.
	That just really shows how godly you are.
	Do you have autism, though?
	Do you think I have autism?
	No, I'm not coming for you, Deborah.
	I'm just, I'm asking if you do.
	Like, it's not an attack.
	I'm probably autistic.
	She got that dog in the middle.
	This is the point.
	I'm trying to get commonality.
	I'm trying to get like.
	No, we don't have autism in common.
	Even if we have autism, we're still awful people.
	All right, guys, we're going to move it on.
	We're going to move it on.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, the bear.
	We got to do the bear, guys.
	We're doing the bear.
	Maybe I'll just.
	She's in the bed.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Everybody's getting up.
	Okay.
	How about before I come to the bear?
	I'm going to get to other people's.
	So, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	I mean, can you tilt your mic down just a bit?
	I mean, I would say I don't care.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to get married?
	Maybe you don't.
	I'm not sure right now.
	I'm still in the process of getting divorced.
	So give me some time.
	Okay.
	Okay, we're going to come back to that.
	We'll go right into the bear now.
	So going around the table, starting with Deborah, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
	I love this question, especially when it was all over social media.
	I thought there was a lot of funny TikToks.
	I wrote the bear.
	I thought about it long and hard.
	I think it's just the white woman in me that I really do believe I could tame the bear, honestly, or at least hide from it.
	That was a joke.
	Don't cry.
	It's a joke.
	It's okay.
	I joke sometimes.
	I like comedy.
	But I do think.
	I'm not still freaking out.
	I didn't.
	It shows a face.
	Okay.
	So overall, I think anybody I saw in the forest, I would be scared for my life if I was alone in the forest, a man or a woman, and I'd rather see an animal because that's where they live, and then I can hide from it.
	But I think it's a silly question, and it's funny.
	So you'd pick the bear, though?
	I do pick the bear because that's where it lives.
	And it's not crazy to be like, why is there a bear in the forest?
	But if you're alone in the woods and you see another man or woman walking, I'd be like, wait, why are they here too?
	That's conceivably the same reason you are to go to walk in the woods.
	Oh, I thought I was like trapped in the forest.
	I thought, I don't know.
	I guess I assume this question is like, you're lost in the forest.
	Well, the way I worded it here in the questionnaire, it just says, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
	This doesn't, there are no implications as to the reasons why anybody's in the forest.
	There are no, there's no suggestions that the man is a criminal.
	He could be a criminal.
	He could not.
	He could be a murderer.
	He could not.
	The bear could be non-threatening.
	The bear could also want to kill you.
	So I don't know why I assumed on my own that I was like trapped in the forest, like in the movie or in the show alone, where you're just like lost in the woods.
	If I was just on a walking path, definitely a man over a bear.
	I would say hello.
	I'm a very social person.
	But you said you've heard this question before.
	You've seen all of the social media.
	Even then, you still picked Bear.
	No, at that point, I guess there was just a lot of...
	But you wrote Bear.
	You wrote Bear.
	I...
	And you said bear.
	Because I thought the question was like, if you're lost in the woods, stranded.
	I don't know why I thought that.
	I think that's what a lot of the social media videos were about.
	And they were like, if you're lost in the woods, would you rather run into a bear or a man?
	I was thinking about it like that.
	You're lost in the woods.
	Yes.
	I guess I just didn't read this clear enough.
	Oh.
	I've never heard it phrased like you're lost in the woods.
	Because if you're lost in the woods, I'm assuming you can't get out.
	So wouldn't you want to run into like a man in the hopes of like he can, oh, it's this way.
	Got a compass.
	Well, that's what the argument is about.
	That would you rather, if like, let's say you're lost in the woods and you needed help, would you rather run into a bear where you would have a threat or a man because men can do things.
	They might help you, but they also might.
	You know what?
	I think that's a good question.
	I'll let everybody answer.
	Going around the table, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear?
	Whatever you responded into the questionnaire, just say man.
	Is that what you wrote in the.
	Yeah.
	You did say man?
	Okay, what about you?
	Bear.
	Bear?
	What about you?
	Bear.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I said bear, but I took the question exactly how she did.
	So I would change it to a man.
	Okay, and then bear.
	Bear.
	So those of you who said bear going around again, why do you pick bear and why do you not pick the man?
	Why don't we start with Deborah?
	You already provided some explanation, but if you want to add anything, go ahead.
	Yeah, I'll just quickly add.
	Honestly, I didn't read it close enough.
	I should have.
	Not close enough.
	I just don't understand the context of it.
	Or even using...
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But so why do you pick bear and why don't you pick man?
	Is this if I'm trapped in the forest or if I'm just taking a leisurely walk?
	Too much time.
	So even if you're not trapped in the forest, do you always pick man?
	Yeah.
	I don't want to be killed by a bear.
	If I'm in like a safe environment on a walking path, I wouldn't be scared to see a man in the forest.
	But I think overall, women, the question why this originally came to light is because can you really trust just a random man in the forest who might have be a psychopath or a murderer or any of these things?
	Let's just stick with the bear ends.
	Okay.
	Let's just, whatever is.
	What is it?
	Are you walking or trapped?
	I just bear.
	Do you get why that makes sense to me logically?
	Like if I'm trapped in the forest, I think I have good survival skills and I grew up very outdoorsy.
	Urban New York?
	I live in Manhattan, but I grew up outdoor surviving skills in.
	Yes, my family go to Montana's in the summer.
	We learned how to play pigeons.
	I went to stickaway camp.
	I learned how to sail from like five years old and up, horseback riding.
	Okay, why, just quick answer if you can.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	Yeah, you.
	Oh, I would not pick a, why I wouldn't pick either.
	Sorry?
	Sorry.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick the man?
	I would pick a bear because if I'm trapped...
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not trying to be annoying.
	I'm just trying to understand the question so I can give a real answer.
	If I'm trapped, I genuinely mean what I said, where I've been in nature a lot in Montana and the forest and everything.
	Bears, for the most part, unless you upset them or you do something, you can kind of just chill out.
	They're not going to just necessarily go after you.
	And the reason I didn't pick a man is because I feel like anybody outside of homesteaders who are just hanging out in the middle of the woods would see me and be like, yo, she would be a really good person to trap in my house.
	But then they'd be like, she talks a lot.
	So I don't know if I want to keep her.
	So there's that.
	You can yap your way out of the house.
	I do.
	Out of the abduction, I guess.
	What about you?
	My logic was I have a better chance of fighting a man than a bear.
	Oh, wait, so sorry.
	Who picked bear?
	Just show of hands again.
	Okay, so it's boom, boom, boom.
	I took boom.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	Because there was like this one rhyme about how to survive when you encounter like each color bear, like a white bear, black bear, brown bear.
	I don't remember how it goes.
	I'm going to have to refresh my memory before I go out into the woods, but it was like, it was like, oh, for one bear, you got to like make yourself look big.
	For one of the bears, you should make yourself look small or like be still as possible.
	And for one of the bears, you just run.
	So I think knowing those kind of ground rules would help me survive.
	And like you said, it's a bear's natural habitat.
	Like I'm the one disturbing its peace, so I would just leave it alone.
	But a male, you know, you can be essayed.
	They have all these different torture methods in their head that probably a bear wouldn't conjure up or access to these different weapons.
	Sure.
	So, okay.
	Could be essayed, could be murdered.
	Totally get it.
	What about you?
	Okay, so I would have picked the bear because I used to live in Lake Arrowhead and I see bears all the time.
	And if you don't bother them, they're not going to do anything to you.
	And I would not pick a man because of my horrible experiences with men.
	My first grade, third grade crush, he had intentions of going to the mountains to R me and then M me.
	And it was just like.
	In third grade?
	No.
	No, like I met him in third grade.
	He was my first, and then 10 years later, we reconnected.
	And I don't know his hidden agenda.
	And this is a guy that I knew.
	So imagine a random man that I don't know too.
	He had that intention to do that to me.
	What's a random man going to see a pretty girl in the forest walking around?
	So the man could essay or could murder you.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Why don't you, or why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	I pick the bear because I definitely have bear spray if I'm in the woods, so I come prepared.
	Which would conceivably be just as effective on a man, but I don't know the man's intentions.
	I know the bear's intentions.
	I like that.
	Who would be able to charge you faster, a man or a baby?
	I mean, probably the bear, but I mean, so wouldn't the bear spray be just as effective on the man?
	I would still choose the bear.
	Okay, and so I didn't mean to interrupt you, though.
	You were explaining why you picked the bear, why don't you pick the man?
	You were mentioning you had bear spray.
	What else?
	I don't know the man's intentions.
	Why is he in the woods?
	What's he doing there?
	Sure.
	Why am I walking across him?
	Yeah, so just I would feel more scared seeing a man than a bear.
	And the fear there would be he could potentially essay you, he could murder you.
	Is that yeah?
	I mean, I don't know his intentions.
	Right, but those that's the concern, I'm assuming, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then if I do change the question a little bit, I don't know if this will elicit a different response.
	You randomly spawn in the forest.
	You then like survivor, they drop me off.
	Just engage.
	You randomly spawn in the forest.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	You randomly spawn in the forest.
	In front of you, two buttons also randomly spawn.
	You can pick a random man to spawn or you can pick a random bear to spawn.
	You will cross paths with either one.
	It's not like you will cross paths.
	Does that change your answer at all?
	I would choose the man then.
	Really?
	Yeah, I feel like you know, it's not like it's random if I'm choosing, you know, and if I'm just dropped off there.
	And it's not like I would have bear spray, you know, handy if I expect to encounter a bear.
	Yeah, but you wouldn't have the bear spray for the man either.
	Yeah, but it's different.
	It's randomly spawned, right?
	It's not like someone's just there waiting and I just stumble upon them.
	This is the context of the spawns.
	Does this change anything for you or no?
	Still bear.
	I mean, I've encountered bears multiple times, watching it, so still bear.
	Still bear?
	Okay.
	Kind of going to change for me a little bit because then also it's not like what are you doing in the woods?
	We can make like friendship over the fact we both just spawned.
	You know, it is interesting that how like you frame a question even by just changing it slightly can change people's answers.
	I mean, this is actually really common with studies and why I think these like survey studies are actually bullshit because you can like change one word.
	Like you can even change a totally benign, non-relevant word in a study and you'll get a different response from people.
	But anyways, back to the point at hand.
	If you had to let oh sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, so it is, it would almost occur to me though, those of you who like kind of change your answer, wouldn't like, wouldn't there be a bigger fear for the button push?
	Because like you say, why is the man there in the forest?
	But I kind of feel like there would be more reason for him being in the forest that seems benign versus like you random, like you randomly spawn the guy.
	Like the guy in the forest is probably just going on a hike or some shit.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just have trauma for men.
	Maybe that's a good idea.
	Sometimes people do things also when nobody's looking.
	That's what creates it.
	Like when people are in private environments, that's why a lot of essays happen and closed doors go out.
	So let me let me get through a couple more things here.
	So your concern, you guys' concern is like the risk of essay and the risk that they physically harm you, murder you, whatever.
	What percentage of men do you think would be like what percentage of men do you think would do this to you?
	30%.
	30%?
	Okay, what about you?
	90% because it almost happened to me.
	90%?
	Okay.
	20.
	20%?
	And then Deborah, what percent?
	Say like 15-ish?
	15.
	So that was, uh, I'm sorry.
	You said 20?
	30?
	30, excuse me.
	So it was 30, 90, 20, and then 15.
	Okay.
	I'm just curious for you guys have any male siblings?
	Do you have a brother?
	How many brothers do you have?
	I have one older brother.
	Okay.
	Do you have a brother?
	I have two brothers.
	Okay.
	Are you prepared to say that 90% of your male family members, including cousins, would essay or remotely?
	No, I think there's like a small percentage of men that will do that, but not counting my family.
	You said it was 90% of men.
	Yeah, well, my chances were 90%.
	I missed about an hour that happened to me in a forest with a man that I knew that I liked for.
	No, but you said 90% of men, so this would have to.
	Oh, actually, I retract that statement.
	Sorry, so I guess there's a small percentage of men that would do that.
	What percent?
	Maybe 5% then?
	Oh, now that I've thrown your 90% of your family on the forest.
	Exactly.
	I was like, no, but 30% of your male family members are grapists or murderers.
	Most of them are dead, but I mean, I was almost essayed by a family member when I was three.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	And then going to you, 20% of your family members are inclined to grape or murder?
	Not my family.
	Just like the general population, like 20% of all women.
	What makes your family so much superior?
	Well, because I haven't experienced anything like that with my family members.
	I was just thinking of the general population of men.
	Like 20%.
	Deborah, are you willing to throw 15% of your family members?
	Not because of this.
	I knew this question was coming next.
	I still thought 15 when I said it was a little bit grand, but I was also thinking about society at large.
	But no, definitely not.
	In my family, there very much value protecting women, being strong men, making sure, like I said, taking care of it.
	And then also on this, does it change for anybody here if it's 10 men versus 10 bears?
	Wait, sorry, what was that?
	10 men versus 10 bears.
	It's so awkward to see in a forest.
	Does that change for the bear?
	10 men at the same time?
	Yeah, 10 men together, 10 bears together.
	And you cross paths with them.
	I'd rather see 10 men.
	Does that change anything for you?
	Maybe I'll still stick with them.
	I need a second to process.
	I'll still stick with bears.
	Still stick with bear.
	What about you?
	I don't know about you.
	Well, do you need time?
	Deborah?
	I'm thinking.
	If they're good men, then men.
	If they're not good men, then bears.
	Are they boycotts?
	Sorry, what?
	Are they an army?
	It's just random men.
	Then, yeah, I know.
	Out of the population.
	I think the men would be better because, like I gave with my number, I think it's a very small percentage of men in society who really have that within them to take advantage of a woman and overpower her.
	And I do think, given it's 10 men, hopefully the majority of them are good men, like the kind of guys who hold their friends in check and that are like, don't do that, or you need to treat her better.
	So I'd like to think that with 10 men, there'd be at least the majority of them would be good men and keep the peace.
	Hopefully.
	If you were in the position where you guys had to choose for somebody else, in this case, your daughter, you're not choosing for you, but instead you're choosing your daughters spawned into a forest with a random man or a random bear, would your answer change?
	No.
	Yes.
	My answer would not change.
	So wait, you would change from men to women?
	I don't know.
	I would say female bear.
	Oh, well, I'd say female bears, yeah, because animals tend to be more protective over children, innocent children.
	There's been stories of like children falling in zoos and gorillas pick them up and take care of them.
	So I don't have bears, though.
	Bears just are like, oh, really quick on that.
	Really quick on that.
	Okay, zoo enclosure, would you prefer your daughter to fall in the gorilla enclosure or the human male enclosure?
	Gorilla?
	Harambe, all day.
	Harambe.
	You know, I guess it goes the intention of the bear or the fucking human.
	Whatever.
	I guess it could go either way.
	Bears don't have bad intentions.
	People do.
	I miss my daughter a man because I don't think she could outrun a bear.
	Does this not highlight the difference in society, though, that you have to think about it and that men, if they were put in this, would never think twice about being put with 10 women or 10 bears?
	Like, give me the girls all day long.
	Maybe does that not speak to how women and men are.
	Maybe I would choose the men.
	I just think it's all intention.
	You would change your answer to bear, Chair Wood.
	I know, I'm so indecisive.
	Yes.
	I would like to say, I would like to say men, but it's because animals don't have bad intentions and people do.
	Animals do some whack things in nature.
	Animals and child.
	I know my children are animals.
	It's unpredictable.
	People are.
	Spanish guys on the panel.
	Just one second, real quick.
	Sorry.
	Chair one, what were you saying?
	I was saying if it's between, you know, my three-year-old being in the woods coming upon a man or a bear, I would choose the man because, you know, I. Why do you think that the man would not, if you think that you have the high likelihood that a man would essay you or do something horrible to you, why is it that you think you wouldn't do that to her?
	I think it would be more likely for me because I'm a woman.
	She's a child.
	So I think he would be more opted to protect her.
	Unless he's a po.
	So if you had to choose on behalf of somebody else, so let's say your daughter was 17.
	Would you make the same decision?
	She'd be better off with the bear at that point.
	So you would spawn her in with the bear rather than a random man?
	Yes.
	So assuming for everybody in the panel, if you have a 17-year-old daughter and you have to choose, would your answer change from bear to man, those of you who selected bear?
	No?
	No, it'd still be bearish.
	Because it almost happened to me when I was 17, so why wouldn't it not happen to her?
	Yeah.
	If you were in an argument with your significant other and the two of you had to choose for some reason, that if she spawned in with a man or the bear, and he said the man and you said the bear, would you default to his judgment?
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Go ahead and make that.
	Because I trust him if I'm married to him.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	I'm going off experience.
	What's that?
	So I'm going off experiences that I've had.
	So I'm not saying all men are the same, but it is like.
	How many bears have you seen?
	A lot, actually.
	Looking at Lake Arrowhead and how many?
	Five that were in close encounter with me, too.
	Yeah.
	So, and they didn't do anything but walk the other way and went to trash cans.
	Mom's amazed at how many women who answer this on the bear question claims of how many bears they've seen.
	I mean, I go to the wilderness constantly.
	I have my entire life.
	I've been a hunter essentially my entire adulthood.
	And I've only ever had actually two random bear encounters in totality.
	And I mean, I'm out all the time in country which is bear country.
	Where do you live?
	Maybe animals are attracted to me.
	No, I mean, I've hunted all over the U.S., but right now I'm in Michigan.
	And yeah, definitely tons of black bears in Michigan, especially in the grounds I hunt.
	And it's like very rarely do you ever come across them.
	But somehow the women who answer to this question seem to have seen significantly more bears than I have.
	I have been so many videos.
	Lake Arrowhead.
	I went to camp in Pennsylvania.
	I went to camp in Pennsylvania and the bears would eat the trash every single week, like literally multiple times a week.
	And so there was always bear stuff.
	So we had to learn very young, like what to do with bears.
	I feel like they're pretty common in Pennsylvania all over and the East Coast.
	They're common for me in Lake Girlhead.
	They're common at campgrounds, especially when there's garbage around and stuff like that.
	I agree with that.
	But random encounters in the forest are, they're pretty rare, right?
	You know, I spent six months out in the wilderness in like high school and I never once encountered a bear.
	I countered all kinds of different things, but never like a random bear just popped up out of nowhere.
	I saw an elk and a bear in Montana.
	Pretty common.
	No, but like a few minutes apart.
	Elks are huge.
	I've never seen them.
	I see them all the time in Washington.
	You brought up double standards earlier, and this does fall into line with one of the questionnaire questions.
	Not hypocritical for high-body count men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.
	Deborah, you disagreed.
	Callie.
	I disagreed.
	I think I messed up on that one.
	Okay, that's fine.
	What's that?
	Not hypocritical for high-body count men.
	Yeah, I think that's fair.
	I think that's totally valid.
	I don't know why I circled that.
	Sorry.
	Callie, you did disagree.
	I think that was fair too.
	It worked both ways, yeah.
	Amelia, you disagreed on that, actually.
	I didn't understand the question.
	Emily, you also disagree.
	Okay.
	You did also disagree, Emily.
	Nothing for, honestly, Katerina, you did not disagree on anything.
	Tanya disagreed.
	Yeah, so it was like double standard, right?
	You think it's a double standard?
	Like if a guy with high body count, he would prefer to date a woman with a low body count or a virgin.
	Sorry.
	Yes.
	What's wrong with that?
	Oh, let me hold on.
	Before I have you answer, I'm going to let this go through and then we'll get right back to it.
	Practicing gentlemen donated $200.
	Thanks, man.
	If it was a starved bear or an evil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had a bad day, with nothing happening being the best outcome, which do you think you could escape from Easia?
	If it was a starved bear and an evil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had a bad day.
	Oh, God.
	Nothing happening being the best outcome.
	Yeah, so the intentionality, this is a really good phrasing of this.
	So now we know the intention.
	The bear wants to eat your face and the man wants to eat your face.
	So both of them definitely have really wants you to have the worst day of your life spawned in.
	And you can choose between them if your answer changed then.
	Biologically, a bear would be 10 times stronger, 10 times faster, and 10 times more aggressive than an evil man.
	I can gadge his eyes out or like try to fight for my life, but I can't really fight for my life with a bear.
	So it would be harder to.
	Change anything for you?
	Do I have the bear spray?
	If I have the bear spray.
	I'm supposed to say in both cases, you have the bear spray.
	I would choose the bear.
	Yeah, well, if he can't fucking see, he can't find me.
	Yeah, I think I'd still choose the bear.
	How fast can bears run?
	Still bear?
	Deborah?
	Fast.
	No, it would probably be a man because I don't know where bear parts are to kick them in, honestly.
	That'd be kind of hard to gadget his eyes out when they're so big.
	And I could be taller than the man, which is very likely because I'm very tall.
	A bear?
	No chance.
	No chance with a bear.
	So going back to the double standard question, though, not hypocritical for high body count men to prefer to date low body count virgin women.
	You disagreed.
	I think maybe you disagreed, Callie.
	Yeah, you did.
	What would actually be wrong with a guy who's got a high body count preferring to date a low body count woman or a virgin?
	Or what makes it hypocritical, I guess?
	Yeah, I wouldn't, I mean, right, preference is just preference, but I think it's hypocritical because practice what you preach.
	So if you think that, you know, your partner should have less partners, then you should have less partners as well.
	That's hypocritical.
	I'll respond to that.
	But Emily, what about you?
	Yeah, I agree.
	Verbatim.
	And then same thing.
	I was trying to get up.
	I also, I think now I realized I did mean to circle that question.
	Yeah, I hope you didn't see that.
	Yeah, I need to do that.
	You're the minority here.
	Please speak.
	On this one?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I mean, I guess, you know, a lot of you also kind of simultaneously circled women should go 50, or you disagree that women should go 50-50 on first dates.
	Why is it that women are allowed to hold men to standards that they themselves would not, you know, uphold themselves?
	For example, if your position is men should pay for first dates, wouldn't you be hypocritical for saying that the other person should pay for the first date?
	Wouldn't that make you hypocritical?
	Yeah, I mean, I didn't hold that position.
	Okay, well, but a lot of the other women here said men should pay for first dates, women should not go 50-50.
	That is hypocritical.
	So why is it that if a man desires a trait in a partner that he doesn't himself possess, why are women allowed to do this very thing with like the myriad of traits that they desire in men, but they don't possess themselves?
	I'll give you more examples besides just women wanting men to pay for first dates, but you guys won't pay for a first date ever.
	So how about you want a guy who's taller than you, but you're not tall.
	You want a guy who's funny, but you're not funny.
	You want a guy who's charismatic, but you're not charismatic.
	You want a guy to lead, but you're not a leader.
	You want a guy to be dominant, but you're not dominant.
	You want a guy to be masculine, but you're not masculine.
	The reality is, is that there's all kinds of asymmetries when it comes to dating, but you guys are totally fine with the asymmetries that benefit you.
	But when there's an asymmetry that doesn't benefit you, you'll frequently, you'll just say that's a double standard.
	Can I respond to that?
	Sure.
	I think that that is the obvious, like the most obvious not argument, I guess, in a sense, where those are all traits that you listed.
	Being funny, being not funny, things of that.
	Those are traits.
	Characteristics.
	Characteristics, but sexual partners is choices that you make every single time, and there are health risks associated with it.
	Is chastity a choice?
	Or sorry, not excuse me.
	Is chastity a trait?
	Is being virgin, being a virgin a trait?
	It's a virtue.
	I mean, it's definitely the people that hold that with their life near and dear.
	I think waiting till marriage is absolutely a trait.
	And that's why if you wanted, that's something, not a trait.
	I think it's a value, not a trait.
	I think that's a best standard.
	Hold on.
	So you're saying that the amount of sexual partners you've had, that is what?
	Decisions and choices.
	Wait, so I can't hunt.
	No, like if you choose to have sex with 100 women, that was your choice to make every single time.
	But if you're funny, like I don't think you can choose to be funny or not or things of that nature.
	You can't choose to be taller.
	What is someone's choice to do or not do something?
	What does that have to do with the argument?
	Because you can have values.
	Those traits, if you want somebody who doesn't match your trait, that's different than not matching your values.
	If I say I'm funny or I'm not funny, I'm thinking I'm funny.
	Hold on, I have to interrupt you, Jeff.
	Deborah, you said that you want a guy to make a minimum income of $200,000.
	That's a choice.
	He's taking specific actions.
	Yeah.
	I think that's a choice that benefits himself, but I think making money, you're not going to be able to do that.
	Just so I understand the argument, the argument is men are not allowed to disqualify women based on women's choices.
	No, it's not.
	They can only disqualify based on traits.
	No, I think you can totally disqualify in anything you want because it's your partner that you're looking for.
	But when it comes to just the body count alone, or not the body count, but a man who has had multiple sexual partners, why does he want a woman with less sexual partners?
	Is it because he values the fact that a woman is not promiscuous?
	Because that's different.
	And those are different values.
	If you yourself are, no offense to anybody here, but if you're filming OnlyFans and you're saying, I want somebody who's a religious, God-fearing Christian, that's not, those are choices that you're both making, but I don't think it's fair or normal to expect that.
	And so in the same way, it depends on the value behind it.
	I think having a high number of sexual partners corresponds with your values.
	And therefore, I don't think it's as simple as I want somebody taller than me or things like that.
	But when it comes to splitting the money, I earn.
	So wait, let's help me categorize this.
	So promiscuity is not a trait.
	It's a value.
	No, I think it can be a being sexually promiscuous, I think, can definitely be a trait that people have.
	There's also people that go through phases where they might be celibate and then, I don't know, or they like abstain from sex.
	I think every, if you have a, let's say you've had sex with 100 women, I think every single time, even when you got to 75, you chose to keep going.
	That's your individual choice to make.
	Something that's an immutable characteristic, like your height, I think those are things that you didn't necessarily, you didn't choose those.
	were born like that so if you want somebody who's taller than you I think that's so your argument is it's better to reject people because of things that are out of their control versus things that are in their control No, the opposite.
	I think it's valid.
	You just said, you said valid to not date a guy because of his height.
	Not valid if a guy doesn't want to date a woman because she's slept with 100 men.
	No, I'm saying the exact opposite.
	No, that's exactly what you're saying.
	Let me, hold on.
	You confused me by saying that.
	I don't agree with that.
	I'm not saying that.
	I think that there's a major difference between somebody who has a high level of sexual partners, that situation, than there is between somebody being funny, taller.
	Let me change it then.
	Fine, I'll move it off of immutable characteristics.
	So, a man who...
	How about this?
	Would you disagree with me that there are plenty of broke women who would love to date a billionaire?
	No, I don't disagree at all.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Okay, hold on.
	But is that hypocritical for the woman who's broke to find rich men attractive?
	Not attractive, but to only want them because of the value of the financial value.
	I do think that's incredibly hypocritical.
	They made poor financial choices their entire life and then just expecting a man to take care of them because they're lazy and they don't want to work, then that's not fair.
	I don't think that would make them hypocritical.
	Yeah, that's not hypocritical.
	How's that hypocrisy?
	Because a person who made poor financial choices their whole life and then is expecting somebody who made good financial choices.
	Well, I don't know if hypocritical would be the right word, but I don't think that's valid.
	Like, I don't think it would be fair for somebody who was dirt broke living on the side of the street to think that they were a perfect or they're not somebody, you know?
	So that's what that is.
	I want a commitment from you tonight on the show.
	Unless you're willing to just be a hypocrite, you are from here on out, you're only allowed to date a man who makes the exact same amount of money as you.
	You can't go above.
	You can't go above.
	Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.
	Why can't I go above?
	Hold on.
	can't go but yeah because because because if you go ten dollars above right Let's just say you only went $10 above.
	You're only going to date a man who made $10 more than you made, right?
	Then if we extend that out, what would actually be the problem with a poor woman, right, going after a rich man?
	There wouldn't be any problem, right?
	All you're doing is just, it's just a matter of degrees at that point.
	Would you date the billionaire?
	Yes.
	Would you date a billionaire?
	Bro.
	That's really hypocritical of you.
	You're not a billionaire.
	You don't know what my bank account looks like.
	I'm not a billionaire, but I am a reverse critic.
	Financialism.
	I'm not a billionaire.
	I would love to be a billionaire, but I am, thank God, very financially literate.
	I'm a hustler and I love to work.
	I can expect that's my partner as well.
	Can I have some cash?
	I can do some charity work.
	Is it non-profit deductible?
	What charity are you, well, you know, I'm going through some legal things.
	So if you want to like He's saying he wants a sugar mama.
	You want a sugar mama?
	I brought you out absolutely.
	You out of your money.
	I mean, I've been a sugar mama to my boyfriend before, so I can just expect the same thing back.
	I think that somebody who makes certain choices in life, in a sense, it aligns with their values.
	Get your cap.
	So for somebody who makes good financial decisions, do the money, I think they can learn from somebody who is even better or more successful than them in the same way where, let's say, I have an aspiration, sorry, to be a comedian.
	My ex-boyfriend was actually a comedian.
	Maybe he made me funnier, things like that.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yes.
	Did you play any sports in school or anything?
	I did.
	Like, but did you ever play at the professional level or in college?
	No.
	No.
	Well, I don't know if college is professional, but would you date a professional athlete?
	I would.
	It's a trick question because it's not a trick question.
	No, I think professional for the just the job title of it, like somebody who is a professional athlete because that's their passion, yes.
	But I know that people in spotlights, athletes, things of that are in worlds where there's a lot of temptation.
	I don't think it's like dating a DJ to me.
	I don't think that would perfectly align with.
	He'll be a loyal.
	He'll never date.
	It wouldn't be ideal for me.
	I would rather somebody a little bit more behind the scenes or at least less in a major thing where they're flying across the world with their team and all that stuff.
	That's just a personal preference of mine.
	But like, I would, I think it's important for my partner to be athletic.
	Or a better example for you, Brian, health.
	I am obsessed with working out, cold plunging, wellness, everything about that, living a very healthy lifestyle.
	I would never marry somebody or even date somebody who did not value health.
	That is a huge, important value to me.
	And whether they were extremely overweight or just really unhealthy, that's a huge turn off to me.
	And that's something that it's a choice, but it's also fair for me.
	I guess the point I'm trying to make is that when it comes back to like this hypocrisy thing, so I don't think there's anything wrong with a man who has a high body count who wants to date a woman with a low body count or a virgin simply because one, I think there's asymmetry between what men and women want.
	And then secondly, it's just, look, women all the time chase after men who possess a myriad of traits, behaviors.
	Perhaps they have a, you know, they've accrued certain things in their life, whether material or otherwise, that they themselves do not possess.
	I don't think that makes women hypocrites.
	I don't think it makes men hypocrites when they do the same thing.
	Yeah, and I think people get actually confused about what hypocrisy means.
	So hypocrisy is not saying, I have no money, but want to date a person with money.
	It's saying, I have no money and want to date a person with money, but you, who has no money, should not try to date a person with money.
	That would be hypocrisy.
	So people get this really very skewed idea of what being hypocritical even is.
	I don't understand that either, but they seem to.
	So it's not hypocrisy to say, I have a high body count, want a person with a low body count.
	It would be hypocrisy to say, but you, as a person with a high body count, should not want a person with a low body count.
	That would then be what would make it hypocrisy.
	W, I need to push back.
	By the way, just like how women, you guys think women lose value.
	What do they actually teach you guys in college?
	I'd like to know.
	Like what?
	What do they teach?
	What do they teach in college?
	I'm going to start in college, so I can serve a woman for him to put down.
	I really, I don't, I don't like that.
	I didn't put down women.
	I put down colleges.
	But he put down the college.
	Just starting college teaching a lot of them.
	I cannot say, but the girls who got their degrees, they can probably answer that question better.
	Why is like every time there's any pushback to anything, that means Andrew hates women.
	Like, just stop with the feminism.
	You're such a hater, Andrew.
	Such a hater.
	Andrew always says, even if it was a man, he would say the same thing.
	But I don't see any men in these chairs.
	But just how, like, you guys think women lose value.
	But you will often come in.
	I'm not sure if you're on the podcast and watch me debate them in the studio, which I do all the time.
	I've actually never seen any of those videos.
	You should go watch them.
	They're quite good.
	I should, actually.
	You should become a fan of the whatever.
	Do you think there's more successful people in college or more successful people that didn't go to college?
	It's an even break, I think.
	Okay.
	You disagree with adult age gap relationships.
	Example: a 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old.
	Callie, you disagree.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	Amelia, disagree.
	A 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old, yeah.
	Emily, disagree with age gap.
	Tanya, you disagree with age gap relationships.
	Any 30-year-old looking to have a relationship with a 19-year-old, that's just weird.
	Why?
	Because she's super young, and you just want to take advantage of her, really, because you have no life experiences to conduct herself in that relationship if you're doing something wrong to her.
	She doesn't think it's normal.
	Her brain isn't done developing.
	Why do you want her?
	That's weird.
	She's like a little pig still.
	You mean she's an okay?
	So, should 18-year-old women not be allowed to vote?
	I mean, if they weren't allowed, then why is that a law when you're an 18-year-old to vote?
	Well, why is the law that the age of consent is 18?
	So they can have a consensual relationship.
	30-year-olds have more experience, obviously, in the dating world than a 19-year-old.
	Like, me, for example, when I did a 20-year-old, I shouldn't really, when I was 17, because I didn't have life experiences or anything to like say, oh, this is wrong, what he's doing to me.
	I'm talking about adult relationships here.
	Okay, well, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, a 19-year-old wouldn't know how to be with an adult like that.
	What do you mean?
	I don't know.
	I feel like she'd be too young.
	She wouldn't know how to conduct herself, really.
	You said take advantage of.
	I mean, like of her mindset, because she doesn't know yet.
	Do you think a 20-year-old could take advantage of another 20-year-old?
	Yeah, they can.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	It was great being on with all you guys.
	I have to leave.
	You knew I had a heart out.
	I stayed almost an hour before this.
	I literally wrote you a note and I texted you about it before the show.
	I have a two-hour plus drive back to LA alone in the dark.
	It was great being on with you.
	Follow me on Instagram, the Deborah Leia.
	Thanks, everybody.
	It was beautiful having you.
	Brian would never hurt a fly.
	Never.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you, Deborah.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for coming.
	Have a good night.
	Get home safely, love.
	It was nice meeting you.
	Nice to meet you, Deborah.
	Have a good day.
	All right.
	Yep.
	So, anyways, so I guess what's your position kind of?
	My position is it seems that man wants an apprentice.
	He doesn't want an equal or a partner.
	Do women want equals to be equal?
	Yes.
	You just heard a table full of women saying they don't want to pay for first dates.
	They don't want to take any initiative.
	Just the first date.
	After that, it was 50-50 in the relationship.
	Like, just the first date.
	Let's hear from the other people, Emily.
	What's your objection to age gap relationships?
	Did I put like a little swivel on that one?
	Maybe you underlined it.
	Yeah, I think just like within reasonable range.
	Okay, 30 to 19.
	Yeah, no.
	I think like too much of a discrepancy in maturity level makes that an issue.
	But there are some really mature, like 20-year-olds.
	You know, people are mothers at that young age.
	They've experienced different levels of life than maybe another 20-year-old.
	So it just depends on the children.
	Does it give you the ick?
	A little.
	It depends on how they met, I guess.
	If it's kind of like it seems like they're praying or grooming them, then yeah, that's a problem.
	In what way would they be praying?
	Like, what does that mean to pray?
	Like, oh, waiting until they turn 18 or 19 or a reasonable.
	Let's assume they met when this woman was already an adult.
	So there's not like.
	If it's genuine, genuine connection, genuine experience, getting to know each other, then yeah, sure.
	Okay, and then you disagreed.
	Why'd you disagree?
	I was with someone that was 12 years older for nine years.
	But yeah, to each of their own, like Jay-Z, Beyonce, you're 12 years apart.
	It works sometimes now.
	Do you want to just scoot into the table maybe permanently so you can be on the microphone?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't have to remind you for the 30th time, but okay.
	Yeah, 19, I think, is a little young for someone being 30-something.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It gives you the ick.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Can you guys actually make a compelling argument why it's wrong?
	I did.
	I mean, I think because her brain isn't done developing, I think obviously he's choosing someone who's a lot younger and more inexperienced and has also just come out of high school.
	So, ew?
	Like, you know, you as a 30-year-old man, why are you dating someone who just came out of a high school?
	Like, is that, you know, you can't get better?
	Like, well, I mean, you don't want someone who's going to challenge you.
	You don't want someone who.
	What would be better?
	I don't want to challenge you.
	Just mature.
	Yeah, it is more mature.
	What do you mean, more mature?
	Mentally more mature.
	Why don't you want to date?
	If you're 30 years old, why won't you date a woman that's actually mentally mature than a girl that's 19, not a woman who is unmentally immature?
	Well, she is.
	I met some 19 year olds who are pretty damn mentally mature.
	I mean, going to my situation, I was 17.
	I wasn't mature yet.
	And him took full advantage of me.
	And I thought it was perfectly fine.
	How old was he when you met?
	Yeah, he was 20 and I was 17.
	Two months before I turned 18.
	Yeah, but I mean, if he was 18, two months before you turned.
	18.
	How long did you date him?
	Since 2018.
	And I broke up with him this year.
	What?
	Wait, though, this is the same guy.
	Six years old?
	I only been in one year, like, not one year.
	One seriously.
	So, wait, two months into the relationship, you were 18, and then he was still 20?
	That's not much of an age gap.
	No, it's not.
	But he was more mature, though, than I was, obviously, because he had been through more relationships, and I haven't.
	I mean, would it be that weird, though, for an 18-year-old to be dating a 20?
	I don't think that's weird.
	Or a 22 or a 21-year-old in this case.
	So it was like 18 to 21.
	I'm saying the male was more mature than I was in a five-year range.
	You think we would consider that an age gap?
	Well, I think it's like maturity levels.
	10 years is like.
	Yeah, 10 years is a little bit like a little bit too much.
	Five years is fine.
	I was saying I was immature at 17.
	So I can imagine a 19-year-old not being downmature compared to a 30-year-old.
	Does that make sense, or am I wrong?
	Or do you think a 19-year-old has the same maturity levels as a 30-year-old man?
	Well, I'm not sure that people are looking for relationships based around the various maturity levels.
	Like, I think that people have peaked very different interests.
	And I see men who are 30 with very immature women who are 35.
	And I see women who are 30 with very immature men.
	Well, it could work both ways.
	25, right?
	So the thing is, is like, I'm not sure that you can just say, well, you're an adult, and because of this, we're just going to make this kind of like bracket, where even though you're an adult, we're just going to assume that you're too stupid to make the decision as to who you want to date.
	That just kind of seems absurd to me.
	Would you be okay if it was your daughter?
	One of us.
	So I wouldn't be okay with my daughter dating anybody ever.
	And no father ever is.
	So it doesn't really matter if there was an age gap or not.
	All fathers hate all boys who date their daughters.
	So I'm not really sure how that's particularly relatable.
	I wouldn't care if she was with or dating a guy 20 years older, I would hate him.
	Or if she was dating a guy who was around her same age, I would hate that guy too.
	Fair enough.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Really quick, I guess, on this.
	I guess even kind of granting your guys' positions that maybe it's like icky or whatever, predatory or whatever it's take advantage of, whatever.
	If you were trying to like convince men to date women their age, like aside from like, if you have to put away like the shaming and that sort of stuff, can you actually like make an argument for like why, like, what are the benefits of dating an older woman?
	She has her shit together and you don't have to really like provide for her like you would do for like a younger person who doesn't have their stuff together.
	When you're 30, if you're still single, is the guy going to have to provide for you?
	No, because she should already be able to provide for her.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I hope when I'm 30, I can't provide for myself and not to rely on a man.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but if it's a provider argument, then this one's, I guess the counter to that that I would give would be, I think, yes, you would have to provide for the 18-year-old or 19-year-old or even 20-year-old if you're a man in their 30s, but they would have significantly less baggage.
	And so it might actually be more inexpensive to provide for that person with less baggage than the woman in her 30s with more baggage.
	It might be far less expensive.
	She might, for instance, the accrual of debt that a woman would have in her 30s versus at 18, 19, you would have to admit the chances are going to be way higher that she's accrued a lot of debt by the time she's 30.
	That is true.
	For financial reasons.
	I'm not sure that the financial argument is the best one.
	I think you're right that the woman would be able to provide a better standard of life for herself, perhaps, but that doesn't mean that she would necessarily be less expensive for the man.
	That is true.
	Yeah.
	You're like, I look for a provider.
	I don't know if Ryan walked out or not.
	Yeah, like, I look for a provider, but I also know I would like to be a provider myself, too.
	I'm not relying solely on a man to take care of me 24-7.
	Yeah, but I mean, would you be opposed to it?
	No, I wouldn't either.
	If it comes natural, it's natural.
	So you wouldn't be opposed to it either.
	So the idea here is that I think there's also 18, 19, 20-year-old girls who would like to be provided for as well.
	And I think that the type of men who can provide for them are generally going to be established and probably in their 30s.
	So like here, I can give you a good idea of this.
	Women's reproductive years generally, they're like prime reproductive years, somewhere around 18 years old to let's say 26, 27, right?
	It's kind of the prime.
	It's not that they can't have babies fast enough.
	They can.
	I'm just saying it's easier on their bodies.
	The labor is less intense.
	The babies are generally a bit healthier.
	You know, they bounce back faster.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You bounce back from it faster because you're younger, right?
	Your body can take it and heal quicker.
	If that is the case, if a woman is expected to have babies in those years, it seems reasonable to me that a woman would expect to be provided for in those years.
	And younger men are going to have a harder time doing that than men in their 30s, for instance.
	So wouldn't it make sense if women sexually selected for men in their 30s, if they wanted to have children?
	Yeah.
	I see your point of view there.
	I mean, that makes total sense to me.
	It's like, okay, now your reproductive years, you're taken care of.
	Men around my own age bracket can't do that, but you can.
	That actually makes sense to me.
	That does as well to me.
	Yeah.
	So that, I mean, I guess, you know, I guess there's really no argument there.
	Chairwoman, what do you think?
	You were giving me that look, like, you were giving me the look.
	Come on, what is it?
	Well, I mean, it was over the argument about debt.
	I mean, in the state of California, when you marry someone, you don't accrue their debt.
	You only accrue, you know, half the amount of their debt that you accrued during the marriage.
	Believe me, I know this.
	So I just didn't really see that as a valid argument.
	As like, oh, you should.
	Wait, their credit, you're going to, well, you would still have to deal with it, right?
	So you're still going to have to deal with whatever their credit is.
	You're going to have to deal with, if they, and if, by the way, if they have debt, I think it's reasonable inside of marriages, generally debt is shared, even if technically the law says it's not, like in the state of California in this instance.
	I think that most people put away for their retirement together.
	If you're putting away for the retirement together, why wouldn't you be sharing the debt?
	I mean, that does seem to be the case if most people share debt, right?
	Yeah, I mean, it's just not what I experienced personally.
	So.
	Yeah, but I mean, if you were in a real, if you had another husband tomorrow, let's say, and you had $50,000 in debt and he had $25,000 in debt, wouldn't you guys probably work to pay each other's debt off?
	I mean, yeah, that would be a priority.
	Yeah, that would be a priority.
	Exactly.
	So, I mean, it makes sense to me that if you had more debt in your 30s, that wouldn't necessarily make you more financially viable to a man who could financially support you than if you were younger.
	Just because you are in a position where you can make money doesn't mean you don't come with a lot of accrued debt.
	Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	Just going back to, oh, did you have some?
	Were you raising your hand?
	Okay.
	I guess I'd still like to hear like a like what's the benefit to the man for dating an older woman?
	Because the reality is when it comes to dating, we're all, what's the word?
	We're all trying to think what the greedy.
	We all want the best that we can get.
	We want the most attractive person.
	We want the person with the best X, Y, whatever traits.
	You know, people have different preferences on that, but we're all trying to get the very best that we can get.
	So I'm just trying to understand, like, if men are dating younger women, because, and this does seem to be a trend, which would indicate to me that men are making some sort of value judgment, value assessment, that younger women are more attractive, whether that comes down to their looks, personality, whatever.
	They're making some value assessment there.
	Otherwise, if it wasn't the case, you know, why, while if there wasn't some increase in value, why would they want to date these younger women?
	I guess, like, can you make an argument as to like, why should a man date an older woman aside from just your shame tactics?
	I mean, so older, so you're saying in this situation, so the man is the 19-year-old and the woman is older in comparison to a younger woman.
	So like someone their age.
	Why should a 35-year-old date another 35-year-old versus say a 25-year-old or a 20-year-old?
	I think so.
	That you can have an equal have an equal.
	Yeah, you can have an equal.
	You have someone who, you know, can understand like your shared experiences.
	I feel like you guys are at the same stage in life.
	Someone who's 19.
	Someone who's 19, your age isn't.
	I mean, sorry, your brain isn't done developing.
	So it's like, I feel like you don't really know who you are yet.
	You can give them children and this and that.
	And maybe, you know, a couple years from then, you're like, fuck.
	You know, I don't know.
	Well, why do we assign those women to adulthood?
	I don't know.
	The laws are put in place by men.
	So can you tell me?
	Do you think we should wait until they're 26?
	I mean, I think it would be wise to wait for everyone to be, you know, have their brain done together.
	We should raise the age of adulthood to 26.
	I don't think it's a bad idea.
	I mean, you have to rent, you have to wait till you're 24 to rent a car.
	So, yeah, so like, let's say, for instance, a 28-year-old then was having sex with a 23-year-old.
	You would call him a PDF file then?
	No, I mean, like I said, I don't think five years.
	That's the entailment, right?
	The entailment is if we're since the age of consent is 26.
	I thought you don't have that much in common.
	You can't consent until you're 26 because you're not an adult.
	Then you would be saying that if a 28-year-old was banging a 25-year-old, he'd be a PDF file.
	That's the actual logical entailment of that.
	But when you're 30, aren't you looking for somebody to be like, want a stable relationship and be committed?
	A 19-year-old is going to be thinking about going partying and not trying to.
	Not necessarily.
	Sorry, for age of consent, I thought we were talking about voting, not sexual consent.
	Can children consent?
	No.
	Okay, so if you want to raise the age of adulthood to 26, anything under the age of 26 would be considered what?
	Non-consensual.
	A child, right?
	Because they're not consensual.
	I mean, I wouldn't say adult.
	I wouldn't say a child.
	You're like, I feel like you're still an adolescent.
	You're an adolescent, I suppose.
	Okay, so an adolescent, so they wouldn't be able to consent to sex.
	So a 25-year-old, right, has sex with a 27-year-old in your worldview of raising the adulthood, they would actually have penalties and be considered some type of creeper because they had sex with this not quite an adult at 26 woman.
	Doesn't that seem absurd, right?
	I mean, it does.
	That's why I said I feel like a five-year gap is fine, but 10 years is very strange to me.
	You know, like you have a whole decade on the person.
	That's just how old are you?
	26.
	How old are you sick?
	You're 26.
	So, so do you think that we should consider you if you were to have sex with a 25-year-old?
	Have you ever had sex with a 25-year-old at 26?
	No.
	24?
	No.
	Anybody younger than you?
	No.
	Male or female?
	No.
	You've never had sex your whole life with anybody even one day younger than you, really?
	Not that I can remember.
	Okay, whatever.
	Fine.
	But do you really think that it's reasonable to say that they're 25 years old, you're 26, you had sex with them, and they couldn't consent because they're absolutely not?
	No, of course, I think that's fine.
	Like I'm saying, I think a five-year gap for sex is fine.
	You know, in that case, age of consent.
	I mean, then I would say like, you know, voting consent, you know, 25, 26.
	I feel like sexual consent can be five years, you know, past that.
	I would say 20 would be fine.
	Well, a 35-year-old and a 25-year-old having sex, that's no bueno.
	Straight to jail for that guy.
	I'm not saying straight to jail.
	I'm just saying, like, it gives me the ick.
	That's my opinion.
	Oh, it gives you the ick.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, what if somebody was like, well, it gives me the ick if anybody around the same age is having sex, that gives me the ick.
	Does that sound reasonable?
	It's like, oh, that's like having sex with your brother.
	We're all entitled to that.
	That's why I can't do younger guys because I have a little brother.
	So I cannot.
	I have a child.
	I don't want to be someone else's mommy.
	But I also ended up a 20-year age gap or maybe like a 10-year.
	That'd be a little bit too much for me.
	I'll stick to the five-year age gap limit.
	We stamp on that.
	Do you think that that should be in any way criminalized, though?
	No, no.
	Well, then you're making, then if it shouldn't be, then you're, then you are saying that they are adults.
	I just like don't have much in common.
	You just, you just personally, it gives you the ick.
	That's it.
	It's just eh, right?
	It's just that from your perspective.
	There's like, you don't actually have a problem with it.
	You just that.
	It's just dick, right?
	I mean, I have a problem with it for my own like sense of integrity.
	Yeah, how would it violate your integrity?
	Because I just think, you know, obviously the mindset and the values of a 19-year-old and a 30-year-old is completely different.
	That's my argument.
	I don't think they're valuable.
	Wait, I don't know why their values would be different.
	Like, what value difference is?
	Do you want to go party on a 19-year-old every weekend like she wants to do?
	Or you would want her, like, to not be going out and be more mature, level-headed.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, no, terrible.
	So, what you're saying is the guy is like, oh, you can't go be a whore.
	And you're like, oh, my God, how could you be so controlling?
	Like, don't you want to go to a nightclub and write a bunch of dicks, Andrew?
	Like, what's wrong with you?
	No, it's like the mentality of a 19-year-old and like to go party and like enjoy her youth and stuff like that.
	A 30-year-old, he's over that.
	They've been through.
	I don't understand.
	Why is the only way to enjoy your youth to go to a nightclub, get drunk, and fuck dudes?
	Like, why is that?
	That's not my intentions when I go to the club.
	Like, isn't that wild?
	Yeah.
	The best way for a 19-year-old to enjoy her youth is to go out to parties and get fucked.
	That doesn't sound like it's the best, most way to enjoy your youth.
	No.
	It seems to me like, okay, what if she was like, okay, well, I just want to be your wife for the rest of my life.
	Wait, so, sorry.
	Unlucky.
	So, can I ask you a question?
	Look at you.
	Yeah.
	So go ahead.
	Your argument, just so I'm understanding, is that, you know, it's better practice, you think, for women 19 to, what did you say, the child rearing prime is 27 to just stay home those years and raise kids.
	Right?
	You can argue a couple of years.
	You could argue maybe it's up to 29 or it's as low as 26.
	But I think that commonly, if you were to say between 18, woman's body, generally speaking, is completely developed to 26 years old.
	They're going to have the easiest time with child rearing, child, child.
	Yeah, I think that that's generally the best time, I would say.
	Yeah, I mean, I can't argue with that.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	And then it was really easy for me.
	Also, just, I guess, last thing on the age gap thing, my own anecdotal experience.
	So I've dated women who are older than me.
	I've had age gaps in the opposite direction where I think I was 32 and I dated, I think she's 44.
	45.
	I'm 35.
	Was there a follow-up or?
	For context.
	Okay, yeah.
	So when I was 31, I dated a woman who's 45.
	I've had I've dated some other older women too.
	I think maybe not quite as big as that one, but like 33, 40, something like that.
	So, and then I've dated women my own age, plus or minus a couple years.
	Never a 19-year-old?
	Huh?
	Never a 19-year-old?
	Well, obviously, but when I was younger, yeah, but yeah, no, I've dated.
	I've dated in my 30s, I have dated.
	How about you date a 19-year-old and you come and tell us how it went?
	I have.
	Okay.
	I have.
	I've dated younger women kind of around the spectrum, you know, the spectrum.
	So my own anecdotal experience on this, this trope that women between the ages of 18 and 25, that they're like immature retards without a fully developed brain is one, insulting to young women.
	And two, just not true from my own anecdotal experience.
	I think there's idiots at all ages.
	There's people that you'll have a terrible time with at any single age.
	And I just, it does not make sense to me.
	Like, no matter what, dating is difficult.
	You're going to encounter like a ton of people that just are not a match for you at any age.
	My viewpoint on this, if you're like most men, here's the reality: we care a lot about looks.
	Younger women are typically going to be better looking.
	If you can get a younger, like a younger woman, why not?
	I don't see this, Brian.
	I'm sorry.
	Just one sec, one sec.
	And so, I mean, it's like, and also, I mean, I'm not trying to come off as superficial, but like, there's plenty of really cool, put together younger women in their early 20s.
	And just because they're young doesn't mean that they're pieces of shit or they're going to treat you poorly.
	In fact, I find the opposite to typically be true, is that they tend to be better partners.
	They're more pleasant.
	They have less trauma.
	They have less baggage.
	They have a lower body count.
	They're more physically.
	Like, it's just like, how dare these men want to date women who are more physically attractive and have less relationship baggage and tend to be more pleasant individuals?
	Like, I just don't really understand this argument at all.
	And can you explain the loaded.
	There's also, Brian, I've noticed this.
	I wanted to get your take on this for a while.
	Sure.
	What is with the loaded sexual language around it?
	Like, why do you want a woman who's freshly 18, right?
	A teenager.
	Freshly 18.
	Teenager.
	A teenager, freshly 18.
	But it's sexually loaded, almost like spoiled.
	That's what's so funny about it, right?
	Like it's like it's something which has been spoiled.
	If you go in, you go, oh, well, they're fresh.
	Fresh meaning like, you know, like how fruit is fresh, right?
	Everyone wants the fresh fruit.
	Nobody wants the rotten fruit.
	But the idea almost here is that, oh, you want them fresh when they're 18 and fresh.
	Like, well, wouldn't you?
	Wouldn't you want them before they were spoiled?
	So it's like, to me, it seems like the language actually plays in your favor when women say that, like, fresh, you know, and freshly 18, it's like, well, yeah, what do you want them?
	You want them spoiled at 25 then if they're only fresh at 18?
	I don't get it.
	Yeah, I mean, it is an interesting component.
	I mean, you brought up the high school example, but it's like, I think to myself, okay, well, what if there's like some really dumb 25-year-old is for some reason still in high school?
	I don't think the, like, I don't think it's so much the objection as the high school component.
	It's the age at the end of the day.
	But there is like a lot of shaming language.
	They'll often say like a teenager and someone can be 13 and a teenager and 19 and 24 hours away from turning 20 and they're still a teenager.
	It's just, it is sort of this loaded language to try to like the spin, to try to frame it in the most unflattering light as possible.
	It's trying to make you look like a PDF is what it's trying to do.
	Essentially, yeah, essentially.
	Trying to make men look like they're PDFs because they're attracted to women who are younger, who are in their childbearing rear.
	But the counter to this that I've heard, and it is compelling to me, but I never make this argument because even though it's compelling to me, I can't prove it.
	Right.
	And usually I only like to make arguments I can prove.
	But I will say that the argument that I've heard that it's mostly women who are older are actually jealous as shit of younger women being able to get the men in their age bracket that they actually desire is the main motivation for why they're against age gap relationships.
	I have never, I don't know how to demonstrate that logically, so I don't make the argument, but it is compelling to me.
	So I wonder what you thought about that, Brian.
	I mean, I saw a lot of you, or I saw a lot of women shaking their nodding their heads, right?
	You guys agree with that or disagree?
	I mean, a lot of older women tend to be jealous of younger women in their youth.
	Yeah, and the attention they get.
	So, I mean, that's, you're not wrong.
	I think it's an interesting argument.
	Just never thought about it.
	Yeah.
	Never articulated it.
	I guess one thing on this, Andrew, that is interesting to me is that I think they're like men's attraction for this is not like even really fully up to them insofar as like attraction is typically not like a choice.
	And what I mean by that is like there's just like sort of biological base, biological, evolutionary things that people find attractive.
	And so like, for example, I wouldn't, you can make similar arguments about like women like wanting to date rich men, but like this has an evolutionary biological basis.
	Women, like a man who has resources can provide for you and your children.
	That's the basis for why women will find men with like status or who are who are wealthy.
	They'll find this.
	It's not the only thing that you'll care about, but it'll be like something that will make you more attracted to a guy.
	And this is just rooted in women's own evolution or like their own biology.
	You are attracted to men who are capable of providing for you, who have resources.
	And in the same way, men who are attracted to young adult women, that is also based in biology.
	Comes down to fertility.
	Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
	But the question I have too on the kind of jealousy front, maybe I can get your takes on this, right?
	The idea here just being, because Brian brought up control.
	And I like to think of it from the same aspect as that, well, it's outside of your control now, right?
	So if men around your age bracket who have the resources that you desire, you want to be with them based on, let's say, those particulars.
	I don't think that men generally give a shit that much about women's interests.
	I know that women bring this up all the time.
	Like, what do you have in common with an 18-year-old?
	It's like, what do I have in common with a 35-year-old?
	What the hell do I have in common with a 35-year-old woman?
	They don't want to do fucking anything I want to do.
	They don't want to go out.
	You know what I like to do?
	I like to go out in the forest with a 357 and just randomly shoot rabbits because I think it's fun.
	They pop and pop their head like a shit.
	I'm just like, bam, bam.
	And they just like drop, right?
	Women aren't into it.
	They don't care, right?
	Now, a buddy of mine might show up and he'd be like, oh yeah, let's do the walk, man.
	Let's do the whole, the whole genocide forest package.
	We're just going to kill everything that walks out there.
	They're fine with it, right?
	They don't care.
	What do I have in common with a woman in my age bracket exactly?
	What?
	Like, what is the thing I'm supposed to have in common with her that I don't have in common with a 19-year-old woman?
	I'd actually like to know the answer to that.
	Follow up on that, Andrew, though.
	That's a great question.
	Does anybody, I don't know if we heard it tonight, though.
	Did anybody have a commonality argument?
	Like, what do you have in common?
	What does a 30-year-old have in common with a 19-year-old, right?
	I think like shared experiences with like the way you guys grew up, you know, growing up before internet Dating was a thing sometimes.
	I had younger girls might have a different outlook on relationships because of how we grew up.
	Played Diana.
	We won't know the same type of music y'all listen to, or you know, it's just different areas.
	We have different life experiences.
	They don't listen to the same shit I listen to now.
	Yeah, like I'm listening, I'm listening to like 80s metal hairband, right?
	Driving down the street.
	You got, you know, Metallicas blasting, guns and roses.
	They don't want to hear that shit, right?
	They don't want to hear that shit at my age.
	So it's like, what exactly is, what are, what are these interests exactly that women in my age bracket are supposed to have with me that a woman at 18 19 doesn't have?
	I'd actually like to know this.
	Like, what are the interests here?
	I think maybe when they're younger, they're kind of worried about figuring themselves and like their lives out, whereas when you're older, you kind of have your life already figured out and it's like you have space to take in a partner when you're younger, kind of figuring yourself out.
	You're not really answering this question though.
	Yeah, but what about my question?
	What is it what?
	What are the interests i'm supposed to share with 35 40 year old women, like I wouldn't share with 18 or 19 year old?
	Like, what are the actual interests?
	Because when I think about it, the more I think about it, the more I realize uh, me and my wife basically have no fucking interests which are similar.
	Okay, basically zero interests that are that similar.
	The only thing I I would say is, like she likes to shoot guns.
	That's about it.
	Right, pretty badass, but really, but really.
	Like she's interested in doing nails and I don't give a shit about that.
	She's interested in almost everything.
	In fact, she's interested in.
	I literally don't give a shit about it.
	So it's like so.
	So what are the things that a 19 year old i'm supposed to not have interest in when I don't have the interest they have at 40?
	I don't get it.
	Um yeah, like I mean, at my younger age i'm not like worried about settling down and having a family, but maybe an older woman would be open to having a family and settling down.
	When you're younger, maybe you're more in shape to be partying and clubbing and spending your days out with friends all night.
	And when you're older like, trust me, there's not trying to get yeah, but you would agree with me that young women could.
	Definitely many young women have an interest in having a family.
	There's many young women who are interested in starting them young, so that could be something that we share as far as a desire we both have.
	But what but?
	When i'm talking about commonality of interests, like what?
	What are we supposed?
	We don't listen to same music, right?
	None of the activities we do are similar, that we find to be relaxing or fun, except maybe watching tv.
	But I assume a 19 year old girl probably likes to watch tv also, right?
	So it's like so.
	So what are these things like?
	What are these commonalities exactly that men are supposed to be sharing with women?
	Because uh, like men like to grab in in the game Red Dead Redemption 2, they like to grab random, uh you know, like women on the street and throw them on the back of the horse and drive down to the railroad tracks and throw the chick on the railroad just to watch the train hit her.
	In the video game, women don't like to do that shit.
	Now, men like to do that at 20, they like to do that at 40, they like to do it at 60.
	It's like, what is?
	What are these commonalities exactly?
	I thought you were.
	How about Andrew?
	What do you about?
	What do you think about this one though, related to your question, Andrew, if i'm dating a girl who is my exact same age but we have nothing in common, is that gross too, like why would you date someone you don't have anything in common with, do you think?
	I mean?
	I think it's for basically going.
	So let me let me okay.
	When it let's just say there's a man and a woman and they, they have the exact same birthdate, same age.
	What do they have in common?
	That would be sufficient enough for you to be like whoa, we have so much in common I want to fuck.
	You said nobody ever Go ahead.
	Give me something.
	Well, what it mostly boils down to for me is maturity.
	That's my only argument, I feel like.
	So then when you'd be with an older man.
	So in common.
	Yeah, my experience growing up as like a gen X is different from growing up as like remote.
	I mean, I guess I understand your movie references.
	So like, what if I dated somebody with like a different nationality?
	That was pretty funny.
	What if I dated somebody who's like a different nationality?
	We have way, I would argue, we have way less in common than like a 10-year age gap.
	Yeah.
	I think variety is the spice of life.
	So I see your argument here.
	Like, am I not allowed?
	I'm a predator for wanting to date like a Latin American woman.
	No.
	Because we have nothing in common.
	I don't, who's my exact same age?
	Because we have nothing in common?
	I don't know.
	I've met a lot of men that marry Colombian women and they can't speak the same language and they don't know their personality.
	Yeah, they don't care.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they don't have anything.
	Like, the thing is, the more you think about it.
	Yeah, and men just want attractive women.
	That's it.
	That's all they care about.
	But anyway, I think that that's reducible the same way as it is to say, well, wait, women only want men with big wallets, right?
	And it's like, I don't think that that's the case.
	I think that, yes, attractiveness for men is like the primary goal, and perhaps resources for women, primary goal.
	I think that those are things they value perhaps higher than other things, but they still value other things.
	I'm just saying, the more I think about it with couples, basically almost any male, female couple I've ever met in my life don't fucking have anything in common at all.
	Like, they really don't have that much in common.
	There's a few of them who do, perhaps, have more things in common than others, but ultimately they don't really have that much in common.
	Yeah.
	They don't like to watch the same shows.
	They don't like to, you know, they don't, they don't, they really don't.
	So this argument, I've never gotten it really.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, it's it is.
	So you're saying compatibility is not even based upon mutual interest?
	Well, this is kind of the yin and yang thing.
	I've never thought so.
	I've never thought it was.
	Like, if wouldn't it be like, you might as well just be gay?
	Like, if commonality, like if we are, if the, the, the ultimate thing that we're like trying to, like, that fuels sexual attraction or relationship attraction, everyone would just be gay.
	You just date your same sex.
	Same penis, double penis.
	Yeah.
	You'd have, you know, you date a man, he's got a beard, you've got a beard.
	You like traits in the partner that you're not, right?
	Yeah, there's like different, you know, anyway.
	Sometimes, or sometimes maybe you like traits that they have.
	Like maybe you're a tall guy who really wants a tall woman.
	That'd be a trait you have in common.
	But like when it comes to the commonality specifically in interests, other than religion, I just don't see much.
	I just really, I don't, I don't really see because totally interested in very different things.
	Yeah, different music, different favorite colors, different foods.
	I mean, I hardly ever meet people who, them and their partner, are same, same everything.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to move on to the next thing.
	We do have a chat here.
	Anissa, can I have you read this one?
	Question for the panel.
	If a man comes up to you and puts you into a conundrum by asking, can I tell you something explicit?
	Does he have a 75% chance of getting with you?
	Yeah, so here's the scenario.
	I'll paint the scenario for you.
	A guy walks over to you in a club and he says, hey, baby, can I tell you something explicit?
	And then you say yes.
	And then he hits you with a logic bomb, which puts you in a conundrum.
	Does that mean he has a 75% chance of sleeping with you?
	No.
	No, I didn't think it did.
	I don't go to the club too.
	We're not going to linger too long on these two, but a lot of you disagreed.
	Men are not insecure, controlling for wanting their partner to not go to bars, clubs, etc., and then also not wanting their partner to dress less revealingly.
	A lot of you disagreed.
	We kind of talked a little bit about it earlier.
	Just a show of hands who disagreed on those.
	I think, Emily, you disagreed.
	Okay.
	Actually, I'm just going to skip over that one just for the sake of time.
	Why don't we move to, let me just see.
	Amelia.
	Hold on.
	One sec, guys.
	Amelia, you disagreed.
	Sorry, guys.
	Figuring out the note shit here.
	You disagree.
	I said in this, women have equal rights to men.
	You disagree.
	That woman have equal rights to men.
	Yeah.
	Well, women do have some equal rights towards men.
	We're able to vote, right?
	We're able to work if we want to.
	It's not suppressed like it used to be back in the 50s or the 40s where women were only having to be at home and be stay-home moms.
	And now we have freedom to do what we want.
	And so, yeah, so that's what I disagree on.
	But so, okay.
	We have the same rights as men now.
	That's before we did not.
	Right.
	So, but it was women have equal rights to men.
	You disagree.
	Oh, I meant I agreed then.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Moving on then.
	Once Callie's back here, I guess I'll get into this.
	So look, I've been ignoring this for a while now, but it's been 30 minutes going on here.
	So, Brigitte, you've been back there on your phone for 30 minutes.
	What's going on?
	Huh?
	Thank you for clarifying how you pronounce your name.
	That's not my name.
	Brigitte?
	Not Gianna?
	It's Gina.
	Gina.
	What?
	It's what?
	Gina.
	Oh, okay.
	I got you mixed up with your.
	Gina?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	I mixed you up.
	Okay, in any case, the name has been corrected.
	Your name is Gina.
	What's going on back there?
	As I told the other girl, surely are you like ACMIR?
	I have a reactor.
	So I'm not a little something that would see messages for the moment.
	I can't really deal with that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	You want to say this on camera or?
	Well, you're asking me on the camera.
	Nah, but we can't really hear.
	I don't know if the chat can hear.
	So.
	Okay.
	So, So, you guys were an hour late.
	This show is going later.
	We started the show.
	This is one of the rare times we've started a show this late.
	We started like 20 minutes late.
	You guys were an hour late.
	I'd rather not feel it.
	I'm okay.
	Thank you for the thank you for the offer, though.
	How long to like I don't know why I'm trying to calm down.
	You had an energy shot, so okay.
	Well, nobody told me it was gonna be nine hours.
	I mean, you've only been here for six.
	I'm pretty sure it was disclosed to you.
	I'm...
	Not sure with who.
	With her, the girl with the hat-on.
	Okay.
	The girl with the hat on, the only girl with the hat on.
	So, you were, how long have you been scheduled to come on the podcast?
	Nobody told me at times.
	Nobody told me why.
	So, all you had to do, you had access to the whatever Instagram.
	All you had to do to did you look into the show at all?
	Because the length of the show, you literally just have to go to the YouTube channel and you would have figured that out.
	That's on you.
	Look, we have a third party who's handling some guest bookings.
	I would have to ask her what she told you.
	I don't have that in front of me.
	I don't know what she told you.
	In any case, you guys were an hour late.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	We try to go live at 5 p.m.
	No, we didn't.
	It was like 5:20 or 5:30 because you two were late.
	In addition to that, she let your friend took up a seat.
	She left without letting anybody know, just left.
	And then you've been in the bathroom on the phone with her.
	You've been back here texting.
	Were you not on the phone in the bathroom?
	Were you not in the restroom while I was checking on her?
	Making sure, like, where are you back?
	Because we came together.
	So I was like, What the fuck?
	Why was she late?
	She never told me that.
	We came together.
	So, that's cool.
	So, I want to continue on with the show.
	It's clear that you're not going to come back to the panel.
	I mean, I know she told me, like, I can stay right here.
	Do you realize?
	First off, I don't know what Anissa said.
	Maybe I'll know what she told you.
	Yeah, you can't just come on and be like, I'm just going to stay in the background.
	That's what you're doing.
	You should have done your research.
	I'll have to.
	I'll call up Kelly, who booked you, and she'll tell me exactly what went down.
	I don't know all the details.
	Then you should have done your due diligence, having not known how long the show was.
	You should have done your due diligence and figured that out.
	Did Kelly provide you the link to the podcast?
	No, she didn't.
	No, I didn't search.
	She said, I have the messages.
	I don't want to lie.
	Then you should have checked out the channel and figured it out then.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	Okay, well, I guess you can leave then.
	I don't know what else to tell you.
	I'm going to get back to the show, though.
	So, can you leave?
	I don't know what to tell you, but like you've been getting up all the time.
	You were in the bathroom.
	Yeah, you were.
	You were late.
	You were late.
	Okay.
	That fucked us and our production over.
	First, you guys say 4:15, then you say 4:30.
	Then you say 450.
	No, you said 4.15, you said 4.15, and then you said 4.30, then you said 4.50, and then you guys got here at 5. 5 p.m.
	We told you to be here at 4 p.m. sharp.
	You're not going to rejoin the panel.
	Let me get back to the show.
	There are people who are here.
	Nah, you can just leave.
	Honestly, you've got to be because you're going to be able to get it.
	Nah, you're not getting paid.
	Well, it doesn't say that the contract, and that's what the message is said.
	Like, I've been here for six months.
	Yeah, but you have to hold up your end of the fucking deal.
	Wait, we're getting paid?
	I feel like shit too, don't hold on.
	Do you want a protein shake?
	I'm not worried about it.
	You're fucking up.
	You guys were fucking an hour late.
	Now you're fucking interrupting our just leave, bro.
	I've actually eaten, and we're just trying to get a podcast done.
	We're all here doing our own thing.
	If you want to be here, be here.
	Please leave.
	Please leave.
	We're all struggling.
	Bro, take some fucking accountability.
	No, you're not.
	You're an hour late.
	You're fucking back there on your phone for the past 30 minutes.
	You have.
	I'm literally with my eyes closed.
	And that's when you're trying to see like, how am I going to get home?
	Am I going to go home or not?
	This is why the wage gap exists.
	Bro, you have, it's fucking crazy, dude.
	Take some fucking accountability.
	You guys were late.
	Your friend fucked shit up.
	You fucked shit up.
	At this point, you're in a party with your girlfriend.
	She dipped.
	She left.
	She took up a seat.
	Anyways, I'm not holding that specifically against you.
	But here, I'm trying to get back to the show.
	I can't be arguing with you.
	Bro, I don't even know what to say at this point.
	I think you should just leave because you're just fucking, you're not contributing.
	You've been fucking back there already.
	We're already going to have a fucking dispute over pay because you're an hour fucking late and you've been sitting back there for fucking 30 minutes on your fucking phone.
	If I'm feeling straight, I'm going to be right there with a smell.
	Would you pay somebody who does half a job?
	They fix half your fucking car.
	Yeah, you're half a job right now.
	I'm not feeling well.
	Like, moment's just fucking feet on the table.
	Like, I'm trying to, like, call myself together.
	Like, what do you want me to do?
	Like, I'm literally.
	I don't know, man.
	Take the L and leave, I guess.
	If you're not feeling well, you can leave.
	You're already an hour late.
	You've already been fucking up the production.
	I think you can just leave at this point.
	I don't know why you wanted me to leave now.
	Like, when the show's already done.
	Because you've been whinging for the past fucking 10 minutes.
	You're clearly not ready to participate because your headache and your headache and you can't see and all this shit.
	I'm not saying I couldn't see.
	I never, I just said my heart started beating really fast.
	Yeah, so she should.
	Isn't that coming from a fucking energy drink?
	I didn't even know it was five hours because she poured the little shot in there just like that.
	So I drank it all.
	And then I went back and I said, oh, who poured the sh- who?
	Oh, the other panelist.
	I didn't see the little fucking cup.
	She just killed her.
	You mean what is it?
	130 milligrams of caffeine?
	Is that what we're fucking arguing about stuff?
	Hey, you guys be quiet.
	I'm just saying since I haven't eaten, I just feel like shit.
	Well, that's on you.
	I know it is.
	Here, did we tell you beforehand to have a full fucking meal?
	I asked her, what do I do?
	Oh, no, I think you leave.
	That's what you do.
	So she didn't say that, though.
	I said, you have to have a panel here.
	Yeah, but she told me, oh, go eat the military ingredients and then go back.
	I made food in her.
	Anissa was very nice.
	She cooked you a meal.
	Your mom's her food.
	Huh?
	She just gave it to me.
	She gave.
	Wow.
	You should reimburse her.
	You need a reimburse her for the food you took from her.
	Are you going to reimburse my employee?
	I only took one bite.
	Are you going to reimburse my employee?
	Yeah, one bite.
	How much is that?
	That's at least a dollar.
	The food here is very expensive.
	It's very expensive.
	And Anissa is a broke college student.
	You deprived her of somebody.
	I'm getting hungry too.
	And that's not a race thing.
	She was eating rice or something.
	Oh, shit.
	I can't wait to eat after this.
	I don't know what to tell you, man.
	Just go.
	I'll give you 20 bucks or something.
	I don't know.
	I'm not, then I don't just say that.
	Nah, you can just leave.
	It's only about money to wasting everybody else's fucking time.
	Seriously.
	I seriously wanted to.
	So you don't give a fuck about anybody but yourself.
	Let me talk about you, though.
	Let's not talk about you.
	Don't call me Google.
	Don't come get the fuck off the powder because you're wasting everybody's fucking time.
	Yeah, really?
	I think you're going to start jealous, people.
	Maybe we should just relax.
	I think we should relax.
	You want water?
	No, I'm at least drinking water right now.
	You're going to stay on corner.
	Girl, let's finish the podcast.
	So when we go outside, have the same energy with your words.
	Have the same energy with your words.
	Have the same energy.
	Have the same energy because you're real barking right now.
	But have the same energy, baby.
	You know, everybody.
	Having shut up, you know, we have time right now.
	Can we just stop with the cattiness?
	Have the same energy.
	There's no cattyness around here.
	Have the same energy.
	Okay.
	She's catty.
	Have the same energy.
	Cool.
	Because don't talk to me any type of way, baby.
	Then get off the fucking show.
	Don't talk about fucking watching.
	Can we just like relax?
	Let's not talk about you, Miss Baby crier.
	Okay.
	Y'all want some real viral content?
	Y'all want some real viral content?
	I'll give y'all some man.
	He loves it.
	He loves this shit.
	He loves this shit.
	No, he doesn't.
	No, he loves it.
	Do you not love it?
	You love the drama.
	This is what gets more views, okay?
	And let's not talk about you, okay?
	Let's not talk about it.
	I'm being very respectful.
	I'm being very respectful.
	Okay, Miss Pet Oner.
	The fuck?
	Go talk to your motherfucking doggy.
	Go talk to your doggy.
	Yeah.
	Go talk to your dog.
	You're a shitty ass person.
	Go cry.
	Go cry, boo-boo.
	Go cry.
	I'm agreeing with this man right here.
	Go cry.
	Go cry again.
	It's agree with me.
	Go cry again.
	Okay, Miss Pet Owner.
	Yeah, pet owner.
	You gotta come at me.
	Yeah, pet owner.
	Let's stop.
	Okay.
	Okay, let's stop.
	Let's all press.
	Okay.
	Okay, stop charges.
	Let's stop.
	Let's stop.
	Let's just relax.
	Look in this.
	Getting mad over what?
	No, why are you talking about it?
	Like, no one's talking to your fucking mother.
	Hey, come on.
	Step it.
	You have daughters.
	I don't know how it is.
	No one's saying about you.
	You fucking fucking bitch.
	Okay, cool.
	Okay.
	Can we stop with that name, Darling?
	Can we stop?
	Bad bitch.
	I'm so offended.
	I'm so offended.
	Boo hoo.
	I'm so offended.
	I mean, I'm so offended.
	I'm so offended.
	Oh, didn't you want to fucking okay, Miss Pornstar?
	Miss motherfucking.
	Oh, I'm fucking crying because I treat men like shit.
	I'm crying.
	I'm crying because I treat men like shit.
	Oh my god, boo-hoo.
	Boo-hoo.
	Cool.
	Cool, bitch.
	You wish look as good as me.
	You wish a bitch, stand up.
	Stand up.
	No, we don't.
	Stand up.
	No, let's go.
	Stand up.
	Stand up.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Stand up.
	Can we not?
	No.
	Exactly.
	Prove my point.
	You're not going to stand up.
	Cool, bitch.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	You're a fucking little insecure black bitch.
	Cool.
	You're mad.
	Can we shit?
	Oh, I hope y'all.
	Y'all heard what she said, bro.
	I said black.
	Y'all heard me speak.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	It's called Freedom of Speech.
	Welcome to America.
	Yeah, good.
	Mom, you're doing the podcast with the family.
	I mean, Trump says that.
	That's why you're the only one on here who looks like a fucking boy.
	Everyone, look at the camera.
	Does not she look like a fucking man?
	Let's look at the camera.
	She looked like a man.
	Why are we cool?
	She's looking down on us right now.
	Because she wants to start.
	She should not be starting anything.
	Yeah, you shouldn't.
	Exactly.
	She didn't have to button, but she wanted to be fucking barking her big ass mouth.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Lazy.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	Be lazy, bitch.
	All you've been doing is fucking crying and talking about how you treat men like shit.
	Okay, that's all you've been finding.
	That's all you've been doing.
	That's all you've been doing.
	What questions are we doing?
	No one wants you here.
	Okay, cool.
	That's all you have no motherfucking.
	That's how you paper this shit.
	You have no man.
	You have no man.
	Aww.
	They don't pay your bills.
	You and Sugar Mommy?
	Oh, you're gold digging?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Whatever you want to think, baby.
	Good, go back to sleep.
	Whatever you want to think.
	Cool.
	Whatever you want to think.
	Y'all, whatever you want to think.
	Y'all so wild.
	Get back into business.
	Keep going with this.
	Because it's true.
	Like, girl.
	Black bitch wants to talk.
	Okay.
	Black bitch.
	Mijita.
	I'm Latina.
	Like, get it fucking right.
	Who the fuck is black?
	Soy Latina penderja.
	Don't get it motherfucking twisted.
	Because if you want to be bargaining, we'll go outside.
	We'll go outside.
	Let's see if your words match.
	Ooh, let's go.
	Let's go.
	Okay, cool.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	Because your words ain't matching.
	Your words ain't matching.
	So, okay.
	Okay, be a peacemaker.
	It's not working.
	Okay.
	Wait, are you saying black or yeah, she's saying black?
	Black and fat.
	She's saying black.
	Black and fat.
	Okay, maybe avoid the.
	Thank you.
	Exactly.
	Maybe avoid.
	Thank you.
	You fucking racist ass weirdo.
	Black?
	What the fuck?
	Excuse me?
	Black people are beautiful as possible.
	Black people are beautiful.
	Cool.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I'm acting kettle.
	Not my motherfucking fault.
	Can you guys not be get up?
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Why are you calling me this race?
	She's been calling me black bitch.
	She's been calling me black now.
	No, she's been calling me black bitch more than five times.
	She just called me.
	It really shows the racism.
	Nobody gives a point.
	That's a slide.
	So I hope everyone knows that she doesn't like black people because she's a racist ass at all.
	Stop with the fucking America.
	Okay, stop.
	Can you stop with the racism shit?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I'm not sure.
	I don't think you girl.
	Thank you.
	Thank God.
	Let's put that aside.
	Nobody cheers me.
	Stop.
	Hey, you guys.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, you probably should.
	You probably should.
	Can you guys?
	Okay, you guys.
	Are you mad?
	Are you mad?
	Yo, I need to violate it.
	She's so scared.
	Are you going to do anything?
	No, you're not.
	No, you're not.
	They love this shit.
	They love this shit.
	Of course they do.
	Who doesn't like some fucking drama?
	Okay.
	Oh, well.
	Oh, well.
	Don't speak up.
	Don't speak up because no one was even talking to your weird ass.
	Nobody was talking to you, girl.
	Like, you need to pipe the fuck down.
	It's okay.
	I understand why you're like that because you're so miserable.
	I understand.
	I understand why she's mad.
	She's miserable.
	Like, she treats her men like puppies or dogs.
	Even how the guy said it.
	She should be crying.
	She's a horrible fucking person.
	You're a horrible person.
	You know you are.
	Yeah, but look how you talk about.
	Okay, I don't care.
	I don't care.
	That's how I speak.
	Okay, but you want to be your business.
	It doesn't matter.
	You're fucking fucking bad.
	Cool.
	She's cool.
	God damn.
	Like, all we learned from you today is that you're a racist.
	You treat men like shit and you're a baby crying ass bitch.
	That's all we learned from you.
	That's all we learned from you.
	That you're racist.
	You treat men like shit.
	You treat people like shit.
	And you have mental issues.
	You have mental issues.
	You have mental.
	And your body shaming women?
	Oh, girl, thank you for that.
	You see, all these women in here, I'm pretty sure they agree with me now.
	Your racist ass.
	You're weird as fuck.
	What the hell does race have to do with anything?
	We can go in order and say who do you guys agree with.
	We can go in order.
	Shut the fuck up.
	We can order.
	We can go in order.
	How about you, baby?
	How about we can go in order?
	Yeah, this ass is real fat.
	Fatter than yours.
	Pookie.
	Fatter than yours.
	Yes, fatter than yours.
	Of course.
	Of course it's ass fat.
	And you're mad?
	Your man would look all up in this ass.
	I know he would.
	He would look at me and be like, god damn it.
	Let's not talk about that.
	Okay, Wookiee.
	Your man would love this.
	Let me tell you that.
	Yeah.
	Your man would love this.
	He would.
	He would.
	He would tell you how.
	He would.
	He would.
	Of course.
	Of course, girl.
	That's why you're racing.
	That's why you're racist.
	Hey, racist.
	Hey, can we stop?
	Why don't you guys both be quiet?
	That'd be nice.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the host.
	Yeah, you guys can both kindly up, both of you.
	Why don't she talk?
	I will.
	What?
	No must I call it.
	No one even likes it here.
	Shut up.
	How about both of you shut up?
	How about that?
	Yeah, I would do little slices.
	No one gives a fuck about it.
	Okay, both of you have to.
	You got to be quiet.
	You got to be quiet.
	I'm going to move this on, okay?
	You guys are going to be here.
	You're going to be quiet.
	Look at me.
	You're going to be quiet?
	No, I'm fine.
	You're going to be quiet?
	Good.
	Can she agree not to?
	Move off to me.
	All right.
	Just here.
	Why don't you both be quiet for like five minutes and let the shit reset?
	Dude, I don't give a fuck.
	Stop with the fucking bullshit.
	Both of you stop.
	Cut that shit out.
	Cut it out, both of you.
	Okay, I'm moving this shit out.
	I'm moving this shit on.
	All right.
	What the fuck were we talking about?
	We're talking about equal rights.
	Okay, women are not oppressed.
	There were disagreements on that.
	Anybody?
	I feel like women were oppressed, but we're not.
	I disagree that women are not, but are currently.
	Yeah.
	Women are not oppressed.
	Who disagrees?
	They were.
	They're not anymore, I don't think.
	Is that a good statement?
	The what?
	That women were oppressed before, but now they're not as oppressed like they were before.
	So I'm tired now.
	Nobody, like half of you literally circled that.
	Nobody's gonna.
	Callie, you circled it.
	I mean, I wanted to talk about, you know, you know, women and men having equal rights.
	I mean, I don't think that's true because, you know, women's reproductive rights in certain states, you know, are under, you know, law by men, but there's no reproductive rights against men for vasectomies, you know, and not being able to get procedures like that.
	So there's no reproductive, there's no law against women getting their tubes tied.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	That was a bad argument.
	But why is there birth control for women, but there's no birth control for men?
	Yeah, I guess that's the argument I meant.
	I'm sorry, I'm tired, y'all.
	Is there?
	There is birth control for men.
	Yeah, I'm watching Star Wars.
	What?
	Why?
	Actually, the pill form of birth control for men has been available for years, but it's just that pharmaceutical companies don't want to release it.
	How does that even work for men?
	Why?
	It destroys the sperm and the semen.
	That's what it does, or it blocks it.
	I'm not sure scientifically how it works, but there is actually a pill for men.
	And that's way safer than the pill for women because the pill that you have to take, unfortunately, has all sorts of hormone problems than the pill that men could take.
	Side effects does not, but it's not readily available for men.
	Isn't that strange?
	That is.
	It's kind of weird.
	Okay.
	So is there anything else you can think of besides like reproductive rights?
	All right, so women have equal rights, yes?
	No, I don't, I don't.
	Okay, what right to what right does a man have that a woman does it?
	I mean, men are stripping away, you know, women's reproductive rights in certain states, not California, but Texas.
	I forget the other states, you know, it's like illegal to get an abortion.
	That's pretty scary.
	So men don't have a right to abortion.
	So how would that be a right that a man has that a woman does it?
	I mean, it's just equality.
	It's inequality.
	How wouldn't it?
	Men can't have abortions, though.
	Yeah, so like, wouldn't this actually Equality be abortion is just nationwide ban.
	That would actually be equality, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, I understand.
	So you're in favor of equality?
	I mean, I'm in favor of equality for sure.
	So you're in favor of a nationwide abortion ban.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	So you're not in favor of equality.
	No, I'm pro-choice.
	But you said it would be equal.
	Right?
	I'm tired.
	Okay.
	Clearly.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	So I don't really think I can debate this topic very much because my argument was bad and I don't really understand how to structure it right now.
	So right, let's just put aside the abortion thing.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then I'm trying to see here if there's.
	Women should be drafted.
	Gina disagrees.
	Amelia disagrees.
	If we were to get drafted, I don't feel like, you know, like Andrew said, women wouldn't be as useful.
	We get just killed in the front line easily.
	But compared to men.
	Don't women go in the military?
	Like, that is.
	Yeah, so strong.
	I mean, actually, we're strong.
	But compared to men, we're not as strong.
	That's true.
	That is true.
	Biologically, men are stronger than women.
	Or am I wrong?
	Well, that's not the primary reason.
	Maybe Rhonda Rousey can be more stronger than a man, you know?
	Who knows?
	Well, I mean, you are correct.
	I mean, of course, generally, men are stronger than women.
	I don't think anybody's going to dispute that.
	But the main reason that you don't want women in combat roles in the military is because the enemy will SA them.
	And that's highly demoralizing to the men on your side to have the women of your country sent back pregnant by the enemy.
	That would be highly demoralizing, right?
	Yeah, or if women died in war, there'd be less women to give birth to the next generation as well because we'd be like wiped out, right?
	That's true.
	That's another side effect.
	But the big thing is, so men are going to be stronger in frontline combat.
	There's no doubt about that.
	There's never been a female Navy SEAL, for instance, for this reason.
	It's because the strength requirements just are so different.
	But there's all sorts of other side effects that people don't think about.
	Like, if you were the general of the enemy's army and they were sending women after your troops, what would you instruct your army to do to them?
	Is there women in SWAT teams or is it just only men?
	Very, very rarely that women are part of special weapons and tactics groups.
	So that's a SWAT team, right?
	Special weapons and tactics, very rare.
	Though I'm sure that there's cases and instances where it happens.
	I'm not saying that there couldn't be some women who could be great soldiers.
	I wouldn't make that clear.
	I'm not knocking that either.
	Yeah, I'm sure that there's some.
	But I'm not sure why they wouldn't be at the mercy of being SA'd by the enemy, though.
	It seems like they still would be.
	Yep.
	Is your target for sure?
	Just to move things along here, Emily, you're the only person who disagreed with this one.
	It's not straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	Then we will say that's queer.
	Yeah, I thought it was queer too.
	I guess nobody read the question, right?
	I disagree that it is.
	Did it say not straight?
	Holy fuck.
	Oh my God.
	Reading comprehension.
	So, okay.
	What's the question?
	It's not straight for a man.
	Okay, question.
	A man dating a trans woman, straight or gay?
	Gay.
	Gay.
	Okay.
	never mind then uh so i think nobody thinks that that's what's your opinion on that Do you think a man is straight if they date a trans woman?
	Have you ever dated a trans woman?
	No.
	I mean, trans women are beautiful.
	There's some beautiful trans women that don't even look like they're.
	Yeah, what would you do if you fell in love with trans women?
	I would not fall in love with a trans woman.
	But how would you do that?
	And then you didn't know and you like the moment of me?
	No, no, no.
	Like, what if she asked me?
	That's literally, that's literally like if you don't disclose your trans status.
	Yeah, I think that that's SA.
	I mean, SA.
	Well, I guess you're saying it would be non-consensual because you're not consenting to being with a man, right?
	That's just deceiving.
	You know, if they're not disclosing that would, I think that that's SA.
	100% SA.
	But yeah, it would be gay.
	Exactly.
	A man dating a trans woman, that's.
	What if they had the gender reconfiguration?
	Even if they have a pussy, she.
	Huh?
	Even if she.
	i mean you're not gonna like this but like i don't i don't subscribe to your gender ideology so i don't even this is just like pretty much i think an ultimate defeater in all instances I don't believe in gender.
	I believe in sex.
	So.
	Okay.
	So he, she.
	Trust the science.
	Trust the science.
	So I don't, yeah, gender, I don't look at people as men and well, men and women is like pointing towards their sex.
	Yeah, so you're like AMAB, AFAB.
	That's how you see them.
	Assigned male at birth, assigned female at birth.
	You mean they're an assignment or a biological reality?
	So for me, they're male or they're female.
	So AMAB or AFAB is how you see people, not their gender identity, not how.
	So I see them as male.
	They're currently male or they're currently female.
	Okay.
	Whether you get the puberty blockers, whether you put on the wig, whether you get breast implants, whether you get the genitalia procedure or whatever, you're still a male.
	Thank you.
	Dude, I love how you're eating popcorn while watching us.
	But so.
	We're that entertaining.
	You're shaking your head.
	How can you disagree with me, though?
	You would have to, I mean, even if you're all for the transgender stuff, and I don't hate transgender people.
	Don't have a problem with them at all.
	Wouldn't day one.
	But you would have to agree with me that these people, these transgender women, are still male.
	I think they're a woman, but they could be AMAB, assigned male at birth, but I would still see them as a woman.
	Assigned male at birth.
	No, so, okay, you used the word male.
	So men and male, at least in your worldview, are different.
	We're talking about gender identity here.
	Yeah, but male is not a gender.
	Male is a sex.
	Right, and that's your argument.
	So I'm saying, so, you know, I can still, I can acknowledge that someone's AMAB, but I could still see them as a woman if they're a woman now.
	Yeah, but okay.
	So present day, you're saying assigned male at birth, you're assigned male right now.
	What?
	A transgender woman is assigned male right now.
	Assigned male at birth.
	No, I assign malehood to you.
	In California, changed on their license.
	So?
	Just because a government document says something, does that mean that's the truth?
	I honor that.
	And I recame to this world.
	That's what you are.
	No, no, but hold on.
	So I assign malehood to transgender women.
	Does that compute?
	I understand what you're saying.
	No, but they're not just assigned male at birth.
	Their malehood persists.
	Do you agree or disagree?
	I disagree.
	That's a woman.
	I see her as a woman.
	That's a woman.
	Sure.
	So their malehood does not persist.
	So they're female.
	Correct.
	How do they begin?
	Well, okay, no, I'm sorry.
	I wouldn't necessarily say, I wouldn't say that's a female because that's like if they're not a female, that's a woman.
	That's a lady.
	That's a she-her.
	If they're not a female, they must be what?
	She, her.
	No, no, no, no.
	What's okay?
	You agree that there's you agree that there's male and female.
	I'm really not having this argument with you.
	I think this is a dumb argument.
	Because you're intellectually a coward?
	No, I just think it's a dumb argument.
	Like, I told you, I can acknowledge someone's, you know, AMAB, AFAB, you know, but I can see them for their gender identity, and I will acknowledge and respect them as their gender identity.
	It doesn't mean they're not AMAB or AFAB.
	How about instead of gender identity, their sex reality?
	What does that mean?
	Do you have anything you'd like to say?
	No, what does sex reality mean?
	Like, what does that mean?
	I just like made that up right now.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, it's not sex is not made up of reality.
	They are presently, right?
	Does that matter?
	Yeah, it does matter.
	I don't really care as long as people are happy within a day.
	Like, that's their life.
	Are you going to bring Andrew back?
	Oh, he's frozen.
	No, I believe just once he's fixed or whatever.
	Oh, it's funny.
	It's funny.
	He's eating popcorn.
	Okay, he's going to rejoin us.
	I think for you, I think whatever you want to believe in, that makes you happy.
	You have the right to do that.
	You're an adult.
	You have the free will to do whatever.
	It doesn't mean it's true.
	Well, in her opinion, she believes it is.
	In your opinion, you don't believe it.
	It's not about opinion.
	It's about fact.
	Okay, but what is what?
	You got to speak into the mic, Miss.
	Sorry.
	What is the how do you define a fact and an opinion?
	Like, like, how do you everybody's like opinion and fact can be different?
	No, facts cannot be different.
	Opinions can be different.
	Facts cannot be different.
	I just think if she's happy, she's why it's called factual.
	Okay.
	I acknowledge that trans people exist, but it's like there's just objective truth.
	So again, I'd like to ask you: you would acknowledge that a transgender woman is male.
	AMAB, but yes, male, but I mean, to me.
	So why can't, but you just still a woman?
	Sure, okay, fine.
	I'll even abide by your worldview.
	Thank you.
	That she has changed her gender.
	Yeah.
	The transgender woman, her gender is woman, right?
	But her sex is.
	But then, okay, once biologically, once they've had the hormone blockers, you know, or whatever you call it, it's like, physiology-wise, isn't that a woman?
	I already granted to you it's a woman.
	What I'm asking, though, is it a female?
	No.
	So a transgender woman is a male.
	Agree?
	I'm not answering this question.
	But I don't understand.
	Okay.
	I don't agree.
	But you just said it's not a transgender woman.
	I think I would say AMAB.
	No, I think a transgender woman is not female.
	Ergo, she is.
	Yeah, I'm not using this derogatory language.
	Just to be clear, it's derogatory to call a male a male.
	Why would that be derogatory?
	I mean, you can look at me, but or you could say what's on your mind.
	I don't have anything else to say to you.
	Do you want to concede the argument?
	No.
	Okay, so, well, I'm going to talk about it.
	I'm done with this conversation.
	I mean, you can keep talking.
	I suppose I will keep talking.
	I mean, you've already granted that a transgender woman is not female.
	So what must they be?
	I want to be girl.
	She her.
	She her.
	I mean, whatever that person wants to be.
	Hold on.
	Is this just like a cognitive dissonance thing?
	Or did Andrew raid us?
	Or what happened?
	That's weird.
	Did he rate us guys?
	or what happened, Chad?
	So, Well, I'm going to come right back to you, but Emily.
	Oh, no, you already corrected your position on this, right?
	Okay.
	It's not straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	Okay.
	And I agreed with her.
	Yeah, so I guess, again, I'll grant to you that a transgender woman, I don't believe this, but I'll just grant it for the sake of the argument.
	A transgender woman is a woman.
	But you would have to agree that a transgender woman is not a female and is in fact male.
	I agree with that.
	I mean, this is just total intellectual cowardice.
	I don't understand why you won't engage with the conversation.
	I agree with that.
	Okay, cool.
	You just gonna stare or what?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can you define woman for me?
	I think this is not a conversation.
	How about you tilt your mic?
	No, it's okay.
	I mean, I'm done having this conversation.
	Well, I mean, I would like to have the conversation because you said it was derogatory to call a male a male.
	So I just want to make sure we're living on the same planet here.
	Why would it be derogatory to call a male a male?
	Makes sense.
	You're just going to look.
	You can just keep looking at me or is this cognitive dissonance?
	Do you want to reconsider your position?
	Even a lot of transgender activists don't make the argument that a trans woman is female.
	So I don't see what your most, my understanding, most trans activists don't think that there's an actual change of the sex once you transition.
	Is this what you do in your relationships?
	You just stonewall?
	It's good.
	It's good.
	It's an abuse tactic, but okay.
	Well, we have it.
	This woman is abusive because she stonewalls, but okay.
	Is this what stonewalling looks like?
	I mean, essentially.
	Have you messaged Andrew?
	Is everything okay?
	Let me check my text messages.
	He just like disappeared.
	He said I'm out.
	I'm tired.
	My eye is red right now because my eyelashes are.
	Oh, yeah.
	Is it going in your eye?
	Yeah, I think so.
	but i'm holding on um i'm just waiting for you to say something I mean.
	Just agree with him.
	Well, they were going there.
	Do you want to come back?
	They're good now.
	I was cool sitting between them.
	Yeah, I can be young on the map.
	I can sit back there if you want me to go.
	Yeah, I just don't have that much space here.
	Yeah, I just didn't want.
	Do you think transgender women should in sports?
	Do you think transgender women should be allowed to play in women's sports?
	Oh, wait, what was the question?
	I'm asking her.
	I think she's a woman.
	Do you think transgender women should be allowed to play with women?
	Yes, if she's a woman, then she can play sports with other women.
	Even in like sports like boxing or like that sort of thing.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Do you think, um, do you think women, like, so you're saying, okay, when it comes to the sports thing, if they take the estrogen or whatever and they've lowered their testosterone level, you think that that's what makes a woman a woman?
	Is her endocrine system?
	No, I'm saying if she identifies as a woman, then she's a woman.
	I see her as a woman.
	Oh, so she doesn't even have to take like hormones to compete against women in women's sports.
	If you can give birth, you're a woman.
	If you can't give birth, you're not a woman.
	Can I say that?
	I can identify as whatever I want.
	If they can identify that.
	I feel like that's a good point right there.
	I choose to identify as the correct person on this matter, and I would like for you to affirm my identity.
	A woman is a person who could give birth.
	No, I would like, here.
	I would like for you, I identify as correct on this matter, and I wish for you to affirm my identity.
	If you don't, you're a bigot.
	Okay.
	Bigot?
	What is this?
	Slay queen?
	Slaying queen.
	You go, baby girl.
	It's very derogatory that you will not affirm my identity.
	Why won't you?
	We can agree to disagree.
	Can you turn your mic down and speak into the woman?
	We can agree to disagree.
	I don't agree to disagree.
	I will agree that you're wrong and I'm right.
	That's your opinion.
	It's not my opinion.
	Okay, well, I mean, you're just conceding the argument then.
	I mean.
	It's kind of like if you're playing soccer.
	Morgan over here, she plays soccer.
	And if the other team just stands there and then just lets the other team just keep scoring, I mean, you're just essentially conceding.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I disagree to disagree.
	That's fine.
	Everyone's entitled to their opinions here.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, let me ask you this, though.
	But if a transgender.
	I'm confused, though.
	If a transgender woman is a woman, then surely you must believe that it would be straight for a man to date a trans woman.
	Right?
	No, I still think it's queer.
	Okay.
	So, okay, last time.
	Is a male a male?
	Yes.
	Is it so?
	A transgender woman who's a male is a male?
	No, that's a woman.
	I don't think you should reduce her to her previous whatever.
	Like, however you see her and however she identifies, that's how I see her.
	And I don't think you should reduce women to a costume.
	What?
	You think women are just a costume?
	I'm so confused.
	I don't know what you're saying.
	Well, essentially, you can be a transgender woman if you get fake boobs, you put on a wig, you put on some makeup.
	I don't think that's really the essence of what a woman is.
	All right.
	Consider personating a woman if you don't have a woman, can't give birth.
	If you say you're a woman, but you can't give birth.
	Lots of women can't give birth, though.
	It doesn't make them a woman.
	Even if a woman is, for genetic reasons or whatever, incapable of giving birth, or she's too young or too old, you're still a woman.
	Women, I mean, I. I'm talking about a man transitioning to a woman.
	He can't have he can't.
	Yes, correct.
	Does that actually make him make him into her a woman?
	Because now they can't do what we do until it's like an actual technology can invent that for them.
	Like, what would you say to a woman?
	Biologically, they can't.
	But what would you say to a woman that feels kind of impersonated at the fact that someone's trying to copy the fact that they give birth?
	I know we're talking about that.
	I mean, like, it's hard for a woman to reckon with a man wanting to be like them and copying them when, like, we go through what we go through as a woman already.
	Then someone wants to be like us but doesn't go through the pain.
	Let me do this.
	By the way, Andrew is coming back.
	His internet just crashed.
	I just got a text from him.
	He'll be back.
	Is sex and gender the same thing?
	No.
	May I get my energy drink?
	Because genuinely I'm very tired.
	Is it okay if I bring it to the table?
	Okay.
	Sure.
	I didn't know if it has to be awesome.
	No, you can.
	That's fine.
	So, okay.
	The answer to the question?
	Can you ask me the question again?
	Yeah, is sex and gender the same thing?
	No.
	No, okay.
	So when I ask you the question, is a transgender woman male?
	And you say it's a woman, I'm not asking you what the gender is.
	I'm asking you what the sex is.
	Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
	That's male.
	Signed male at birth.
	You know, that's, yeah.
	They were assigned male at birth, but are you willing to state that in the in this now, in the moment now, they are male?
	I wouldn't say male.
	I would say AMAB.
	It just is less derogatory.
	Okay, so explain to me how it's derogatory.
	I think, you know, you're reducing someone to, you know, their previous how they were born, but that's not who they identify as.
	That's not who they are.
	But you, do you, can you change your sex?
	No, but you can change your gender.
	So yeah, I've already granted to you that they that, well, at least I'm not actually granting, but for the sake of the conversation, I'm granting to you that the gender has changed.
	The gender has gone from man to woman.
	Okay.
	But you've already, you've just said that you can't change your sex, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	If you, so this is the entailment of your own position.
	Now that you've just said that you cannot change your sex.
	So if you were born male and you are male, right?
	You're not a female if you're a transgender woman.
	Correct?
	Correct.
	So you're still what?
	Male, I guess.
	So a transgender woman is still a male.
	Do you agree with the following statement?
	A transgender woman is male.
	Transgender woman is a woman.
	Are you just biologically?
	Yes.
	I'm using your own.
	It's transitioning gender.
	But what sex are they?
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Okay, cool.
	Transgender woman is a woman.
	What sex are they?
	I'm really done with this conversation.
	But are you going to offend somebody?
	I don't understand.
	Like, it occurs to me, like, you know, the answer to this.
	But why won't you say it?
	Like, it's not.
	I don't think this is offensive or derogatory, despite your claims that it is.
	Again, we can disagree on the matter.
	No, I can't.
	I literally can't disagree.
	That's, hey, that's your stance.
	This is my stance.
	But on opposite ends of the table, I'm just, I've walked you through it.
	So you said you can't change your sex, right?
	So you've already conceded there.
	You can't change your sex, okay?
	If you can't change your sex, if you're a male and you cannot become a female, if you were a male, changing your gender identity does not change that you're a male.
	You have to, using your own concessions already, you'd have to agree with to this.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Do you?
	What am I?
	Tell me what I'm saying.
	Steelman, my position.
	Like I said, I'm done with this conversation.
	I mean, we just keep circling and like we're good, you know?
	You want to talk about anything else or do you want to just stare at each other for another hour?
	I'm willing to move on, but I just, on this condition, define a woman for me and we'll move on.
	I don't know how to.
	I don't know if I can give a definition of what a woman is.
	Really, like, never thought about it.
	I think a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman, regardless of what sex you were given at birth.
	My security guard back there, Desmond, could he, like, right now, if he identifies as a woman, is he a woman?
	But you're saying he, so then it would be she, her.
	So if Desmond, she, her.
	She, she, Desmond.
	Hey, Desmond, do me a favor.
	Um, Desmond, can you just say I identify as a woman?
	My pronouns are she, her.
	I identify as a woman.
	My pronouns are she, her.
	Is he a woman?
	Desmond, is this true?
	It is true.
	Desmond, is this true?
	Are you willing to say this on camera, Desmond?
	Then Desmond's a woman.
	I stand on that.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Love you, baby girl.
	Can I get a definition, though, and then I'll move it on?
	I can't give you a definition.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well.
	Moving on.
	Yeah, I guess I'm moving on.
	All right.
	Final things here.
	Then we're going to do a rest session.
	Then we're going to wrap up the show.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Actually, I should.
	This is going to be out of order because people moved around.
	Emily Dang, you said six figures plus.
	That's understandable.
	Okay.
	And then.
	Callie, minimum income.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	Gina.
	It doesn't matter either.
	Wow, you're not even talking in the microphone.
	Why don't you put the microphone back where it was so you can.
	It was right here.
	Just turn it, move it, move it that way.
	And just scoot it.
	Scoot it.
	Scoot it.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Doesn't matter?
	No.
	As long as he can provide for me.
	So it does matter.
	I mean, it doesn't matter exactly how much he makes.
	What does providing for you look like?
	So if you.
	Exactly how it sounds like.
	It doesn't matter exactly.
	Like, I don't know like California.
	Yes.
	Do you want to stay in California?
	Probably.
	I'm not sure.
	Okay.
	Do you want to get married?
	Yes.
	You want to have kids?
	Yes.
	How many kids?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, honestly, maybe like two, three, three, maybe.
	Okay.
	And then while you're pregnant, do you want to be working?
	Not while pregnant.
	And then after they're born, do you want to be working?
	Or do you want to stay at home?
	I mean, it depends like what type of job I'm doing.
	Like if it's like a simple or something, it's something that I'm passionate about.
	I don't mind.
	Damien, can you open the.
	But so do you want to stay at home at all when the kids are young and not work?
	I mean.
	How about until the youngest is into kindergarten?
	I don't know.
	So this could be like seven years, maybe.
	Like I said, like if I'm passionate about something, I don't mind working.
	It doesn't like really matter about like.
	But if you have kids, like do you want to not work?
	If I have kids, do I would not.
	I mean, I kind of just answer that.
	While they're young, probably not.
	When they get older, yeah.
	Yeah, like while I'm pregnant is different.
	But if I have kids.
	In your household, once you have kids and you're married, do you want one or two cars?
	One or two cars.
	Yeah.
	Well, my car and my man's car.
	So two.
	Okay.
	How big of a house would you like to live in with your two kids?
	Master and then a bedroom for each kid?
	Well, yeah, like a house.
	How many bedrooms?
	That's kind of rough.
	Well, it depends how many kids I have.
	I can't just say, like, oh, I want this.
	Okay, well, okay, two rooms plus mine.
	So three.
	Three rooms.
	How many bathrooms?
	Two.
	Two?
	Okay.
	You want a big backyard?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Would you like kind of more luxury appliances?
	And, you know, would you want the, what's the term?
	Hmm.
	What part of town would you like to live in?
	I'm not sure.
	Where do you currently live?
	In like LA area.
	Okay.
	Valley.
	Valley area.
	What kind of lifestyle would you like?
	Would you like to go on a couple vacations a year?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And are you going to be, do you want a 50-50 relationship or do you want your man to be the breadwinner?
	Well, I'm always going to be a breadwinner, so I don't ever mind putting money on the table.
	However, you said you disagreed in your notes.
	You said disagree to women should go 50-50 on the first date and women should go 50-50 the entire relationship.
	No.
	So you.
	Okay, I didn't mean to put that.
	I was kind of like in a rush.
	But you did say you want a provider, so this seems to me this would indicate that you want somebody who makes more.
	I feel like every woman wants a provider, though.
	So it's kind of like.
	Okay.
	That's.
	So you want two kids.
	You want a three-bedroom house.
	You want to stay in Southern California.
	Two bathrooms.
	You want two cars.
	You want to go on vacation a couple times a year.
	You sure it doesn't matter how much your man makes?
	Like I said, I don't care about the amount as long as he can provide for me.
	So if he's making well enough.
	So if he works at McDonald's.
	You want to be able to have that lifestyle.
	Okay, well, like I said, the amount doesn't matter as long as you can provide for me.
	So I don't have like an ex oh, you have to be a billionaire, you know?
	How much would you have to make to be able to have all that?
	Like $100K a year, six figures.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	200K, like.
	Yeah, like, I don't even know how much you would have to make.
	Yeah, that's why I didn't even really answer it because it's like, I don't know how much exactly.
	Amelia, you say you 100K.
	100K, six figures.
	Okay.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Emily, you also want a six-figure earner.
	And then Catalina, you don't want to be able to.
	I'm also bringing money too.
	And then Tanya, you say 80K question mark.
	I was being realistic, you know.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I was trying to be realistic too.
	I got 100K.
	Still a little bit lower for all that that I want, but you know, it works.
	You can make it work, baby.
	I would again.
	And then, Emily, you're 5'5 and the minimum height you need for a guy's 5'9?
	Maybe 10.
	I put 5'9 and a half.
	Yeah, you like them tall.
	Okay, all right.
	Callie, 5'4, you don't care.
	Gina, 5'4 and 6 feet.
	No, I'm 5'4.
	Yeah, but 6' is the minimum for you to date.
	Yes.
	But I can tall too.
	Why should I really care about height?
	I'm kind of a little.
	Like, I'm only saying 6'5 because my man is 6'6'1.
	So I'm saying that's like the minimum.
	Amelia, you're 5'8.
	The man has to be taller than you.
	So like 5'10.
	5'9, 5'10.
	It's a little inch taller than me.
	This has to be a giant.
	I don't want a giant.
	Catalina doesn't care.
	Tanya, you're 5'10.
	He can't be shorter than me.
	I cannot do a short gene.
	Even though I love you guys.
	Personality.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I would like to do the delusion calculator for Emily.
	Delusion calculator.
	For Gina and for Amelia.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's get the delusion calculator going.
	And then we're going to do the rush.
	Guys, I'm going to go to TTS.
	Guys, TTS is 20.
	But I'll come to Tululu as well.
	You guys to be fair, I was rushed.
	All right.
	We're going to go Emily first.
	Go ahead.
	Hold up.
	Female Delusion.
	All right.
	So tell him the, give him your answers for these.
	Oh, up to 32.
	What is color mind?
	Wait, what?
	What is it?
	The age of who are married?
	So you'll date a 20-year-old.
	Exclude married.
	Oh, for the minimum, 22.
	Okay.
	Race.
	You can only choose one.
	You can't, like, select multiple races.
	It's any or one.
	Like, any color.
	What would you not date?
	White people?
	Black people.
	Wait, why won't you date white people?
	It's just not my preference.
	Oh, and you won't date black.
	No, black is what I would choose, like, if I had to pick out of the most poor.
	Black.
	So black.
	Okay.
	Why won't you pick, why won't you date white people?
	Seriously.
	Like, my mom grew up, or she dated white guys and Asian guys, and I was just into like Hispanics and black guys.
	It's just my pretty.
	I just don't find white guys attractive.
	No.
	Sure.
	It was my daughter.
	Okay.
	Um, you know, white boys, trying to take my leg back.
	A little cold.
	Uh, 5'10".
	Mm-hmm.
	Um.
	Minimal income.
	Oh, do we scroll back up?
	Exclude obese?
	Yeah, we exclude marriage.
	Yeah.
	Exclude obese.
	Exclude obese, okay.
	Yeah.
	I like this.
	Minimum income.
	Ideally, I said six figures, but realistically, I'll say 60K.
	Because I can make my own money too.
	You know, I'm aspiring to get my master's, so I won't need to depend on him too much.
	You said six figures, though, so make it 100k.
	I would prefer for my mama to make more money.
	So you better match me, baby.
	Okay.
	Find out.
	All right.
	Probability that's 0.15%.
	That's tough.
	That's why I'm single.
	Yep.
	Now my turn.
	I'm curious about this.
	All right.
	Let's do Amelia.
	See how the Lulu I am?
	They couldn't even give me a full.
	Guys, TTS is 20.
	We'll get them going in a sec.
	TTS, what's that?
	Any questions?
	Text to speech.
	So for age gap, the youngest would be 22.
	I'll do a year younger than me, and oldest, like 35.
	And exclude, no, I'll get married.
	So leave that.
	Why?
	I like my white boys.
	I'm trying to take back my land.
	So we'll do that.
	And minimum height 510.
	The tallest I would do, probably.
	Scootle bees, I cannot.
	Minimum income, 100k, because I'm going to be a travel nurse, so I'm about to make that much too.
	So you better match me or make more.
	One of the two.
	And yeah, find out.
	Okay.
	So, more probability, right?
	One point.
	Oh, you got a full point.
	Is that good, right?
	All right.
	Okay.
	And then let's do it for Gina.
	I like me.
	What the heck?
	Possibility.
	I'm in a relationship, so I don't really need to do this.
	To be fair.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, which is I'm there to give everything that my man.
	Like, but you do something.
	Do you guys want to like maybe choose?
	She's not going to do it.
	Do you guys want to change your standards a little bit?
	No.
	Really good question.
	Men need to change their incomes to meet my standards.
	I actually have a really good question on this.
	Hold on.
	Ah, shit.
	I just clicked.
	God dang it.
	One sec, guys.
	Sorry, I accidentally closed my notes.
	Closed out my notes.
	The question is: if you got.
	This is for the whole panel, starting with you.
	If you got 80% of everything you want in your ideal partner, would you be happy with that?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	80%.
	Yeah.
	80%.
	Or is it settling?
	Yeah.
	I don't settle, baby.
	Yeah, that's a good person.
	I don't care.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Guys, TTS is 20.
	TTS is 20.
	We're going to do the rest session, brief rest session, and then we're going to wrap up.
	My eye is killing me.
	I'm going to go blind.
	Me too.
	Rost session?
	How's your item?
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	Are you guilty of misgendering someone who identifies as gender fluid?
	You have to keep up, even if they change gender 30 times a minute.
	Thank you, man.
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	Vector donated $20.
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	It's going to be really bugged, boys.
	Really bugged, boys.
	Uh, oh, really quick, let's do Twitch before we get into the next roast.
	Guys, $20, $20 roast.
	This panel needs a roast, boys.
	Get your roast up.
	Also, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
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	It's been 30 minutes since we had a prime.
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	A million?
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	Yeah.
	You're not woke.
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	My pronouns.
	What about baby boy?
	Yeah, that's really insensitive and derogatory to I. Am he him okay, baby boy.
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	Um, what's octentering?
	They said something about entering holes, so maybe pegging.
	I got no idea.
	Um, that's something I would never do.
	Boys, get your 20, get your TTS in, get your roast in.
	We're about to wrap the show.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists before I wrap?
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	My best friend did, actually to her boyfriend.
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	Oh boy um, and he liked it.
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	You oh, you did it.
	I did Troy.
	You was it the guy the?
	It was a guy.
	Yeah, took his manly hood straight from him.
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	Chair 5: If men have to change our lifestyle, please inform the average man on how we can out of nowhere make six figures and somehow grow taller and fit your minimum standards.
	I just said fix your income, not your height, but there's surgeries for that.
	If you made enough from your income, you would know that.
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	Yeah, that guy talked mad about you on Bradley Martin's podcast.
	Now he owned the fuck out of you.
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	I'm pretty sure he's got that reversed.
	I didn't see the clip with Bradley Martin.
	I think Bradley Martin is kind of a secret hater of the podcast.
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	I don't really know what his deal is.
	I get the impression he's kind of a massive hater.
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	Alright, guys.
	Last call, guys, last call on the TTS.
	Final thoughts from anybody else before we wrap up?
	Final call.
	Alright, guys.
	One set, guys.
	We're gonna do a raid over there on Twitch.
	Final call, guys.
	Final call.
	Final call.
	If you want to get a TTS in, guys, I don't know if I can play World of Warcraft.
	I don't know, man.
	I don't know if I can do it on Thursday.
	I got so much going on.
	I'm already dead tired this week.
	We'll see.
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	Yeah.
	And then, yeah.
	Also, what was homophobic that was said on tonight's show?
	He said it was homophobic, right-wing, moral hypocrite.
	What was, I don't know, what was homophobic?
	What was?
	Okay.
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	In the bathroom, on my phone, avoiding work.
	Never have I felt more like a woman.
	This is.
	Yeah, you gotta just walk to a faraway bathroom.
	That's the other trick.
	Trying to burn some time.
	All right, let's see here.
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	Oh, shit.
	Wait, so okay, before I let you.
	I didn't even understand what he said.
	Really quick, I know we didn't get into this, but so when it comes to body count, right, a lot of you guys said body count shouldn't matter, it doesn't matter.
	I think you were kind of like the biggest proponent of this.
	If body count shouldn't matter, it doesn't matter.
	It's in your past.
	What's your body count?
	13.
	No, no, it's 11.
	It's 11.
	You were you counting like.
	No, because I just updated it recently in my notes.
	I remember it's 11.
	Do you keep a separate count for other acts?
	Body count matters to me.
	I'll say I'm insecure.
	I'd like to know my man's body count.
	Wait, oh my.
	Are you serious?
	You literally argued about that for like.
	I didn't say I am not insecure or I do not care about body count.
	Meanwhile, okay, you're just saying it's insecure.
	You were arguing that it is insecure.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right.
	Body count?
	11.
	Really?
	Yeah, our twins.
	Me and the porn trips are going to be all bad.
	Range?
	How about range?
	Under five.
	Okay.
	Body count?
	One.
	No foot for it.
	Body count?
	Five.
	Cap.
	Body count?
	I've already said it.
	One, right?
	Oh, two.
	Okay.
	I have no idea.
	I thought you okay.
	Range?
	I'm a virgin, actually.
	Clearly.
	Yeah.
	Range?
	I don't know.
	I've never thought about it.
	Think about it.
	I'm going to let three chats come through and we'll come right back.
	You can think about it.
	Just do the, you know.
	Not the chats.
	Will you get me another energy drink if I think about it?
	Vector donated $20.
	I hope Chair One doesn't become anorexic.
	It would be offensive to not label her fat.
	Wait, what?
	What does that even mean?
	Here, I'll give you a $2 bill if you reveal the true body count.
	I have no idea.
	I'm not joking.
	How about is it more than 50?
	No.
	More than 100.
	No.
	More than 1,000.
	No.
	More than 20.
	She already said no to 50.
	I know.
	The math isn't mapping.
	More than more than 20?
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Uh-oh.
	Chair one is a r-retard.
	Doesn't know how definitions work.
	Can't define woman with the word woman.
	Chair 4, fine as fuck, trying to link.
	She's got boyfriend, daddy.
	Whoa, what the fuck, bro?
	Oh, my God.
	I did not mean to say that.
	Fuck you, dude.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Rude.
	Do you want to link with that guy?
	She's loyal to me.
	Oh, wait, wait.
	I wasn't even thinking about it.
	I'm sorry.
	It just said chair find fine as fuck trying to link.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	You deserve better.
	She's loyal.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Tiberius donated $20.
	Care 6.
	I hope your dog runs away.
	Nice.
	Horrible.
	Thor donated $20.
	What happened to Chair 2 from earlier?
	BTW brain loves fat fucking burritos in his mouth and comes out his fat dump truck.
	Hit the gym, buddy.
	I got loose and weighed.
	You're right, bro.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Jack underscore M donated $20.
	Care number one, I'm going to keep calling you out.
	You think that not talking will make this go away, but no.
	I have my resources to keep this up.
	Brian, you should have booted her.
	Matthew donated $20.
	All you women say you want a man with 100k.
	How would y'all feel with men in military that has all the benefits to give you like housing and college tuition?
	Question mark.
	By the way, Thor, chair two, she is like a rage quit or something.
	I don't.
	That was your friend, right?
	She left because I think she got triggered over something.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Michigan Christian donated $20.
	Enjoyed the accountability.
	Men want modest and attractive women.
	Not old liberal 304 degenerates.
	Another panel full of women I would never date.
	W, Andrew, for exposing yet another fucking service.
	Would you guys date a military guy going back to Matthew?
	No.
	I would not.
	Show of hands.
	Show of hands.
	What are you doing?
	He'd be gone all the time, and I wouldn't like that.
	You can close the door.
	I don't miss them too much.
	I just stay in bed and watch stuff.
	And then they're kind of squares, too.
	So.
	Bender the offender donated $20.
	Brian, when you brought the red-haired Latina back on, did she come from the back alley?
	That's horrible.
	I think they're talking about you.
	I don't even have red hair, but okay.
	All right, guys, we're going to wrap up the show here.
	If you want, you can get your final one in.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Gambit 90 donated $20.
	Week panel.
	The last panel was great.
	Why was there no roast session on that one?
	Wanted to call the blonde Delulu.
	Should have kicked out the Latino.
	Vibes ruined since the cat fight.
	Well, I mean, like, the last show is just in my bungalow though.
	I mean, our cat fight helped raise you.
	There wasn't real.
	I mean, we did like 69, but it was like already so late.
	It was like 2, 3 a.m. or some shit.
	It was a 10-hour stream.
	So I was like, we just didn't have time to do a roast session.
	Ogle donated $20.
	Can each panel guest answer which of the other panelists there is the most annoying to them?
	Go ahead.
	Don't think anybody cares.
	Who's the most annoying?
	That's the girl that was here on this game.
	You're all sweet people.
	By the way, I'm glad you did this.
	Sorry, man.
	They don't want to.
	Oh, daddy wanted me now.
	Oh, apologize.
	Yeah, he should apologize.
	Care number one.
	I'm still hearing.
	Also, Brian, can I get the story on your guts trophy?
	Asked last show, but someone spilled water and it got usurped.
	Wait, the water got usurped?
	No one spilled water.
	Are you tripping?
	Why are you so obsessed with me?
	Wait, what happened about the girl?
	I love you.
	The guts, I just, it was a show I watched when I was young, so kind of like nostalgia.
	Your hair is amazing.
	Concerned pet employee donated $20.
	Care six, I hope you are a responsible dog owner and got them chipped and muted.
	Up to date with shots and express his glands every bath.
	You also need to send them off to dog obedience school.
	Wow.
	By the way, Gambit, I do appreciate you continuing the wait.
	Is it Gambit?
	Who's the one?
	Were you talking about it?
	Jazz M or someone?
	Oh.
	Who paid like 60 bucks already?
	I don't know.
	Is it 21?
	I think it's Jason.
	Everybody keeps talking about the fucking dogs.
	Okay, I don't own a dog.
	You guys are the most popular ones.
	I was totally making that shit up.
	Do you guys want to make amends or do you guys want to talk more shit?
	No, we're good.
	We're going to move away.
	She started it.
	What the hell?
	She did fucking start it.
	She fucking did start it.
	Are you going to let her talk to you like that?
	Are you going to let her talk?
	She body shamed you, bro.
	Look, oh my god.
	You're a fitness girl, bro.
	You're such an instigator, Brian.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	You're a fitness girl.
	You don't let her talk to you like that.
	She body shamed you, bro.
	That's offensive.
	She called me apology.
	Go ahead.
	I'll be back in a minute.
	Well, to be fair, you both salted me first.
	So what am I going to do?
	Just sit there and be quiet?
	Of course not.
	No, I'm not going to be able to do it.
	We squash the beef now and they're going to apologize, right?
	Well, I was called out black, fat, ugly, all this.
	Damn, girl!
	I wasn't even saying anything.
	I wasn't saying anything to you.
	So I'm like, why are you going to like.
	But I didn't want you to leave.
	You look healthy to me.
	Beautiful.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with you, but I didn't want you to keep arguing and I didn't want you to leave.
	I wanted you to stay.
	So it got you to stay.
	Did it?
	No, let's apologize.
	You didn't leave.
	Of course not.
	I didn't leave.
	Let's apologize.
	But I wasn't speaking to you.
	Move on.
	I know, but you just kind of just like jumped in for no reason, but I mean, whatever.
	Let's apologize.
	I don't hold grudges, luckily, but you're lucky this wasn't outside of the podcast because, baby, I promise you.
	I know.
	I'm not about that.
	Talk on my Instagram.
	How about that?
	Amelia Davis.
	Can I make amends?
	If you apologize first.
	Three S's underscore.
	Coming.
	Fine.
	Only two.
	I'm a woman of God.
	Woman of God.
	So, where'd I put my Instagram handle?
	Oh, yeah.
	Follow me guys on Gina Prada.
	Hi, guys.
	Okay, now my turn.
	Follow me, Amelia Davis.
	Underscore at the end.
	Is that a thing?
	If I hit by a woman, I kind of look a little masculine inside.
	I don't know.
	You look a little masked.
	Not gonna lie.
	It's just the hair.
	It's just a hair.
	Put up.
	Why don't you put the hair down?
	I own shit.
	It's all good.
	Game.
	By how to kids, we know I have a vagina.
	So it's all good.
	So we know you're a woman.
	Yeah.
	I'm just a tomboy.
	It's all good.
	It's okay to be a little play sports.
	It's all good.
	It's all right in the hood.
	And you guys, honestly, I think someone in the chat gave me a BB allegation, and that has been my goal.
	So thank you very much.
	You know what I mean?
	That's a good question.
	Do you love the BBL allegations?
	No, I don't, but I actually take it as a compliment.
	Stop.
	So if you're in LA and you need a trainer, hit my line, Gina Prado.
	Girls wish they looked like you have boobs and buttons.
	So if you want to look like you have a BBL and you don't have 20, if you want BB allegations, hit me up.
	I will.
	First off, I ain't disclosing that for a $20 Super Chat.
	Oh, but I disclose it for free.
	I'll do it for a Bitcoin.
	Send me a Bitcoin.
	I will disclose my body count live on camera.
	I will do it for a Bitcoin.
	How much is a Bitcoin?
	It's about, I don't know exactly.
	It's like $70,000.
	It's like $80,000, $80,000, $90,000 right now.
	I need to figure out who has Bitcoins now.
	Bitcoin right now.
	$93,000.
	Excuse me.
	Oh, it went up to $93,000.
	$93,000.
	$20,000.
	That's a million.
	I was like, whoa.
	You should have invested, but you fucked up.
	I did fuck up.
	You fucked.
	I fucked up.
	Damn.
	I didn't invest in Bitcoin.
	Let's go Doge, guys.
	Buy Doge.
	Can I still invest into Bitcoin?
	Vector donated $20.
	Chair 4, can you stop being an emotional state machine that is always stuck on sassy?
	Oh, wait.
	No.
	No, that's not right.
	I withdraw my question.
	A sassy state machine is a sassy state machine.
	What?
	Wait, what?
	Brandon 53323 donated $20.
	Somebody hit somebody.
	I need more behind-the-scenes content on the Discord.
	Nobody hit him, but he's telling you guys you should what?
	No, we're good.
	I love how she's like, no, no.
	No, we're good.
	She don't want this work.
	We're good over here.
	Yeah.
	She don't want this note.
	That's too much drama.
	Yeah.
	Let's fight calf finding with verbals.
	Have you ever been in a fight with a woman?
	I have.
	I did.
	I got two black guys.
	I hope you're watching me, baby.
	Have you ever killed somebody?
	No.
	That goes against God and alive tier.
	I knocked them out with my nobody's worth not me going to heaven for, so yeah, I will never do that.
	Hit to the back of the head.
	It only takes one hit sometimes.
	It's a sin.
	Ogle donated $20.
	I was going to send BTC or another crypto before, but I couldn't find the address to do so.
	FYI.
	Ogle, send me a DM.
	I mean, I can fix that.
	I'll see my addie right now.
	I'll send you the address.
	But if anybody wants to ever send crypto or anything, I can send you addresses if you'd rather donate that way.
	Unfortunately, it's not like linked up to Streamlab.
	But if you guys want to contribute and be patrons of the show via crypto, we can accept crypto.
	All patronage is welcome and very much appreciated.
	Because if it wasn't for you guys, wasn't for the viewers, we wouldn't be able to do the show because we're fan-funded, essentially.
	How many viewers?
	By the way, I just want to say something.
	I know this isn't something that came up on this show.
	There's been a recently, like, I got criticism from, this was like two, three shows ago.
	This girl who's sitting here, she's like, oh, you wouldn't do this shit for free?
	It's like, you got to understand, right?
	Is my expenses to run this is a lot.
	Yeah.
	And my time, I work 70, 80 hours a week running the show.
	There's that.
	And it's not free to run this.
	Like, I'm not some streamer who's like playing a video game in my bedroom.
	Like, this is a really involved production.
	It's a business.
	Yeah, it's really involved.
	Like, I could see how somebody who's just playing video games on their computer in their bedroom, you know, how, oh, you could do it for free for fun, but it's like something like this.
	I'll say this.
	I looked at it, and my total expenses, I'm pretty sure for my total expenses for this year were $300,000.
	Jeez.
	So far.
	So far, $300,000.
	So the G's right there.
	Yeah.
	So this is expensive.
	It's not free.
	You know, so yeah, I can't.
	I wouldn't do it for free because then I'd be losing $300,000 a year trying to do it.
	Damn, please send your.
	Oh, by the way, Brian, I've never fought a girl.
	I was just like.
	So, all right.
	Let's see here.
	So the minimum, my gosh, I'm going to go.
	King donated $20.
	Chair 1 looks like the wish.com version of Katie Perry.
	I was thinking you look like hilarious.
	Oh, wait, but Katie, you're hairing all the time, yeah.
	I didn't even see it.
	Now I see a little bit.
	Just a little bit.
	Hey, I'll check.
	She's pretty beautiful.
	It's better than the other things you've been saying.
	Anyways, okay, so let us see how.
	Let's do the Twitch raid.
	Okay.
	Let me do the outro, then we'll raid Aladar.
	Let's see.
	All right.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Hold on.
	Fuck.
	I fucked it up.
	Well played.
	Wait, GG.
	Well played.
	I'm tired.
	To the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sun today, Tuesday.
	Yeah, we'll be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, let me see if there's any others that came through.
	Doesn't look like it.
	Let's see.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Thank you to the panel.
	Appreciate it.
	You guys were kind of a mid-panel, no offense.
	Anyway, so I'm going to raid Aladar.
	No, I'm kidding.
	You guys were fantastic.
	You were amazing, Brian.
	Like always.
	All right.
	Okay, we're going to raid Aladar on Twitch.
	He's playing.
	I don't know.
	He's playing World of Warcraft.
	So we're going to raid him.
	Tell him to go.
	I don't know if he's playing.
	Tell him that he has to.
	Guys, guys, guys.
	Okay.
	Those of you watching on Twitch, tell him he needs to kill this shitty gnome mage.
	He needs to.
	Tell him he needs to.
	He needs to sack.
	What level?
	What level?
	Does it say what level?
	He's got like four spells.
	Oh, he's level seven.
	He can suicide.
	It's a nice combo.
	Okay.
	But then in order to tell him he needs to do that to kill his own character.
	I think this is hardcore.
	Is it hardcore?
	I don't know.
	Is he playing hardcore?
	I only know how to play Mortal Kombat.
	And I'm really good at it.
	Wait, hold on.
	I'm going to send a message.
	Is this hardcore?
	If it is, it doesn't matter.
	Answer that shit, Aladar.
	Some people won't want to go torrent just to be able to do that.
	Answer that shit, Al.
	Whatever, this is not hard.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, tell him he still has to kill his character.
	Are you playing with the OnlyFangs group?
	Whatever?
	All right, we're going to send the red to him.
	Your name, OnlyFangs.
	You should definitely be in there.
	Only Fangs.
	Only Fangs.
	Okay, alright.
	We're gonna send the raid.
	I'm just playing it while you're doing the whatever podcast.
	Tell him, guys, when you go over there, tell him he needs to kill his character, okay?
	He needs to kill his character to a boar.
	He needs to kill his character to the boar.
	Okay, sending raid now.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Or maybe whatever could have like his own hardcore raiding team and get these some of these incredibly nice young ladies that he has on his podcast.
	Wallet, hey, thanks.
	Who's oh my god?
	Holy lord.
	Holy Lord, dude.
	Thank you.
	That's why.
	Is that why you're asking if this is hardcore or not?
	My lord, thank you very much.
	Welcome, everyone, from the whatever podcast.
	Do you hear from the known death?
	I do not die, dude.
	I do not die.
	I am invincible.
	Is this what you do in your free time?
	For those of you that are from the Whatever podcast, if you played World of Warcraft, how about this?
	How about we get some of these nice, fine young ladies that whatever always seems to have on his podcast?
	You know, the ones that are wearing like, you know, basically just bras and have him do hardcore with them.
	I mean, hardcore World of Warcraft.
	I didn't mean hardcore or anything else.
	Hardcore, hardcore World of Warcraft.
	What is this?
	Somebody asked, do you ever watch the whatever podcast?
	I watch it all the time, yeah.
	Unfortunately, when I stream, oh my gosh, he's usually doing his podcast as well.
	All right.
	Okay, no chats came through.
	Okay, that's it.
	Oh, okay, I'll read this.
	Or Anissa, can you read this, please?
	Hi, Brian.
	Hope you're well, man.
	Watching this podcast, it is more clear to me that Andrew is clearly exposing hidden feminists.
	Also, are you wearing a white hoodie so you don't see the lint?
	Yeah, learn something.
	Hey, you know, change up.
	You know, it's never too late to change the clothes you wear.
	Okay.
	Daniel Stein, thank you for the super chat.
	Appreciate it, man.
	All right.
	Guys, like the video, please.
	On your way out.
	That's pretty much it.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night, and we will see you on Sunday.

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