Whatever Podcast - NALA RETURNS?! Nala's Husband CRASHES Show?! Single Mom Wants $5M/YEAR Man?!

Nov. 5, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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NALA RETURNS?! Nala's Husband CRASHES Show?! Single Mom Wants $5M/YEAR Man?! | Dating Talk #210

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	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
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	Hi, I'm Nala Ray.
	I'm 26.
	I live in South Carolina with my husband.
	And we started a clothing line company called Be the Change.
	And we do race car giveaways.
	All right.
	Welcome, welcome.
	And let's see.
	It's been almost a year, I think, since the last time you were on the show.
	So it's a not the one-year anniversary.
	Almost three years.
	Well, since you last been on the show.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Welcome back, Nala.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Nora.
	I'm Nora Fatuna.
	I'm from Germany, and I'm studying at SCC right now, Film and Acting.
	All right.
	Age?
	I'm 20.
	20.
	Okay.
	And you said you're from Germany.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What languages do you speak?
	German.
	I learned Spanish, German, French, and Latin.
	And I speak with my mom Italian.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	And then you also do content creation, is that correct?
	Yes, I do.
	What do you do?
	I'm doing OnlyFans, and I'm on a lot of platforms.
	Okay, how long have you been doing OF?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	Okay, what kind of content?
	Solo control.
	Boy girl content, solo content.
	Got it.
	Cute outfits, bikinis.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm sorry, just real quick.
	Can you say your name for me one more time?
	My name?
	Yeah.
	Nora.
	Nola?
	Nora.
	Oh, Nora.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Thank you.
	Hi, my name is Mandy.
	I'm 20 years old.
	My most recent job was actually at Spirit Halloween, and I did custom bikini making before that.
	Where are you from?
	Northern California.
	Okay.
	And are you in school right now?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Vi.
	I'm 34 from Texas, and I work in education.
	All right.
	Are you, can you expand?
	Yeah, I used to be a teacher, but now I'm just like in application processing in higher ed.
	Yeah.
	And do you do van life?
	What's that?
	Like living in a van?
	I have no idea where I got that.
	Did you get that from my name on Instagram?
	No, on the side, I make rings.
	So I make rings, and my husband does some stickers, which I gifted you.
	Yeah.
	Thank you for the stickers.
	Appreciate it.
	They're very good.
	Andrew is one of the stickers, and I wanted him to see his face.
	I'll show it to him.
	And what about you?
	Do I have, like, demon horns coming out?
	It's whenever, I don't know.
	It's a funny face you made in one of the podcasts.
	I'm a fan.
	Yeah.
	Hi, I'm Justy.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from Southern California.
	I go to school in Westmont.
	I'm studying business and I have an art minor.
	And I play college tennis.
	All right.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	Hi, my name is Alanis.
	I'm from Pasig, New Jersey.
	I'm 22 years old, and my occupations are phlebotomous.
	And I'm also an independent recording artist in more like Spanish music.
	And also, I'm a student, and my major is in healthcare.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Natalie.
	I'm almost 21.
	Couple more weeks.
	And I go to Westmont College.
	I'm studying business.
	All right.
	And where are you from originally?
	I'm from Oregon.
	Oregon.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Jessica.
	I'm 33.
	I'm from Houston, Texas.
	I'm currently a stay-at-home mom, but I'm working to get my certification in cybersecurity.
	Oh, damn.
	Pop off.
	You said 33, right?
	Yes, 33.
	All right.
	How many kids?
	Five.
	What?
	Wow.
	You look so young.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Welcome.
	I have one, but five.
	That's crazy.
	Well, I'm a blended family, so I have three of my own, and then my husband has two of his own.
	But together we have five.
	All right.
	Brian Atlas, 35, Santa Barbara, California.
	Host of the whatever podcast, Washed Up, has been over the Hill YouTuber.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's a popular entertainment platform on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist.
	I enjoy doing conversations and debates of all kinds across the country.
	And I appreciate all of you guys coming out to whatever this evening to have these conversations with us.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What's your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	So I just got married in March.
	Yay!
	That's it.
	How long were you guys dating?
	We dated October, November, December, January, February, March.
	Five months before we got married.
	Wow.
	Okay, so you guys have been together for like a year?
	Since last October.
	Okay, so about a year together to the longest relationship?
	Two years?
	Two years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single right now.
	My longest relationship was two years.
	And I got out of the relationship in May or June.
	Yeah, this year.
	So you've been single for like five months?
	Yeah.
	And that was the two-year relationship?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	We kind of like both agreement kind of thing.
	Mutual?
	Mutual, yeah.
	Were you guys making content together?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so you've been totally single for the past five months?
	No.
	I mean, we still see each other.
	Oh, the two years.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you still make content together?
	Sometimes.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes.
	When's the last time you saw him?
	This morning?
	Oh. Oh, my God.
	Wow.
	Wait, so last you saw him this morning?
	Yeah.
	But you guys broke up?
	We broke.
	Yeah, because I went back to Germany for two months and then I came back and then kind of reunited and then school started and it's just a lot going on.
	You guys lived together?
	We did, but not anymore.
	Saw him for breakfast or what?
	What's up?
	Just, yeah, my roommate is gone right now, so I have to take advantage of the apartment.
	Okay.
	All right.
	In the five months that you've been single, have you dated or had any situationships with other men?
	I've been on couple dates, on double dates with my friend to support them.
	But I'm really not interested in any other person.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What was the question?
	Relationship status?
	So I currently have a boyfriend and we've been together about two years now.
	All right.
	And that's my longest relationship.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met on Grindr.
	What?
	What?
	Wait, we've heard this before.
	We had a girl on the show a while ago who met a guy on Grindr.
	So are you bisexual?
	What's your orientation?
	Yes, I am bisexual.
	I just.
	Wait, isn't that for gay men?
	Or is it for lesbian?
	So technically it is for like gay men and like trans people, but I got kicked off of the other dating apps.
	So for me?
	Okay, to be completely fair, before all of this, before like I was on Grindr, I was in high school and I was just like kind of experimenting online and stuff.
	And I'm not about that life anymore.
	I don't do any of that kind of stuff anymore.
	But yeah, so I ended up getting Grindr and I met him and we really hit it off.
	Like we didn't even hook up the first night.
	Like it was like mostly like just friendly.
	So it was kind of weird.
	I know.
	Wait, you said you were no longer about that life.
	What was the life before?
	The whole life?
	The whole life.
	What's the whole life?
	I was just, I would consider myself to have been a sex addict.
	Okay.
	And that's just, like, I was just going online, hooking up with basically anyone I found attractive.
	And I, looking back, have realized that that's probably not the best thing for me, especially a girl that young.
	So I'm with my current boyfriend, and I'm happy.
	Okay.
	We'll dive more into that in a bit.
	Wait, so okay.
	You met on Grindr.
	Yes.
	Just what are your pronouns?
	I'm a girl.
	She hurt.
	She, she, her.
	Okay, what are his pronouns?
	He's also a he, him.
	He was born with a dick.
	Like, okay.
	Just checking.
	Just checking.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm married, and my longest relationship was four years.
	Almost four years.
	How long have you been married for?
	Almost two years.
	And how long were you dating before that?
	Two months.
	Well, like four months, four or five months.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Got married quick.
	So how did you meet your current husband?
	Through mutual friends.
	Okay.
	And your four-year relationship?
	Who broke up with who?
	It was me.
	Okay.
	How soon after?
	Well, wait.
	How long ago was your four-year relationship?
	It was a high school relationship.
	Oh, high school.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Got it.
	So you met your now husband at 29, 30?
	No.
	I'm 34.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Okay, math.
	I'm the math.
	31, 32.
	About there.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm single, and I've been single my whole life.
	Single your whole life?
	I've never had a boyfriend.
	It's actually mostly parental restrictions.
	And even coming to college, it's just, I've had situationships.
	I've had talking stages that have never, they've never gone anywhere.
	Okay.
	What's the longest talking stage situationship you've found yourself in?
	I think it was roughly around a semester, so about three months.
	I think that was the longest.
	Okay.
	It just didn't go anywhere.
	Sure.
	All right.
	And so three months, you said.
	Okay.
	And you're waiting until marriage, correct?
	Yeah, for sex.
	For carnal knowledge.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So you're first.
	I am.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see here.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I've been single for like a year and a half around, about two years.
	I got cheated on.
	I got cheated.
	Yeah, I just had my baby and it was three months after, and I found out I was cheated on since I was pregnant.
	So yeah.
	I've been on a couple of dates on like dating apps.
	Not my cup of tea.
	I get annoyed.
	I'm very picky and I'm very like, I like what I want because I learned from that situation.
	So yeah.
	Okay.
	Very picky.
	Hold on.
	Before we come back to very picky, I'll just get everybody's relationship status.
	What about you?
	I'm very single.
	Okay.
	Oh, and sorry, your longest relationship was how long, really quick?
	Oh, two years.
	The guy who cheated on me, yeah, got it.
	Very single.
	Yes.
	So no guys in the picture.
	I mean, there's some cute guys at school, but my longest relationship was three months, but I don't really count it because it felt very friendship level.
	Like we never held hands.
	He hugged my girlfriends.
	He never hugged me.
	It was really, really awkward.
	And then he was following like a podcast of how he wanted to date me.
	And then he sent it to me, and I never watched it because I'm like, why are you like basing a relationship based off of a podcast?
	Was it this podcast?
	It wasn't this, I promise.
	I would have watched it.
	It was like, I'm Christian.
	It was a Christian podcast, but it was very ladder-like.
	Like, step one, make eye contact.
	Step two, stuff like that.
	And I was like, I'm not going to listen to this.
	So that was a failed relationship.
	I ended it.
	He cried and he was really upset with me and was really mad.
	And all my friends told me, like, you did that to him.
	And I was like, well, someone had to.
	I wasn't going to just stay in it.
	So, yeah.
	How is that your fault?
	I know.
	I was like, I'm sorry.
	He was sad.
	Sorry, you were the pants in the relationship.
	I know.
	Literally.
	I wore the pants.
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	So then I've had a couple situationships and talking stages.
	I've failed.
	And that's life.
	Okay.
	So longest anything is what?
	Three months.
	Three months.
	And you'd been single for how long, you'd say?
	For a year.
	Wait, what is it?
	November.
	A year and a couple months.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Well, I'm married.
	I've been married for about three, sorry, two years.
	I've been with my current partner for three years, but my longest relationship was 10 years.
	Wow.
	Before that.
	From what age to what age was the 10-year relationship?
	From 15 until 25, I think.
	And you've been with your current husband for three years.
	Yes.
	Married two.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you have five kids.
	Correct.
	These kids are from multiple relationships or yes.
	The first two are from my previous marriage.
	And the second one was a surprise.
	And then my other two are my stepsons who are from his previous relationship.
	Wait.
	I have five kids.
	Two are his, my stepsons.
	Then I have three biological children that are mine that I created in my body.
	And two different fathers.
	Correct.
	Two different fathers.
	Two different fathers, yes.
	And is one of which your current husband?
	No.
	Jeff Bilak.
	We do not have ours.
	We have yours and then we have mine.
	And that's it.
	No ours.
	Okay.
	So there's, in terms of the children in your household, three different fathers.
	Yes.
	Yeah, there are three different baby dads.
	Biological fathers.
	Yes.
	All right.
	In the situation.
	Like, math ain't math anymore.
	The math is struggling.
	All right.
	Okay, cool.
	So that's everybody's relationship status.
	So I want to.
	Brian, what is your relationship status?
	Are you still single?
	You single Pringle?
	I'm a virgin.
	Amen.
	Oh, oh, are you?
	Are you serious?
	He's a born-again virgin.
	He's lying.
	Is it still that perfect number seven?
	I'm waiting for the right girl, you know.
	I know someone who said he's a born-again virgin, too.
	I'm a born-again person.
	I know, right?
	I'm going to have to go back in the podcast and back-check this.
	Andrew got him.
	He got the Christian in him.
	So I want to dive into the very picky thing with you.
	Okay.
	So, okay, when you say very picky, what does that look like?
	So basically, everyone in my family says I have to lower my standards because I'm not going to find anyone.
	What?
	So the background for that story was that my, I'll give a name to my child's father.
	So like Pablo.
	Yeah, Pablo.
	I met him and I really wanted to look for something that my parents created because my parents are immigrants.
	They're legal here.
	They had their citizenship for over almost 35 years.
	That's incredible.
	My parents, my mom came and she was a single mom.
	She came from Colombia and she raised her kids by herself.
	And my dad came from Brazil because my grandma brought him here.
	And so they built this empire together.
	They owned this really great company and they took us out of the hood and they wanted us to have like a better life.
	Let's go.
	And so I wanted to create that as my fulfillment.
	So with Pablo, basically, I was scammed.
	And so he came from his, he's from a U.S. territory.
	He came here and basically was like, yeah, I want to get rid of the life that I had there.
	It wasn't a great life, but I wanted to, I want to create something so that my family can learn from me.
	I was like, great.
	I'm here to, I'm here to help you.
	And so basically, he used me.
	I paid for a lot of things.
	I would drive from five in the morning to bring him to work, pick him up at three, and, you know, and bring him home.
	And I would spend all the time.
	And what I got called was I used him.
	I cheated on him.
	I did all these things.
	And I was there.
	And when I was pregnant, I was actually in Colombia.
	I was going to work with Maluma's team.
	And that's been my dream to do music ever since I was five.
	And he broke up with me.
	And then I found out that I was pregnant.
	And basically we got back together.
	And when I was back, I moved everything, moved my schools, moved.
	I had no car.
	I had nothing.
	And when I had nothing, I was discarded.
	He looked for somebody else.
	So now when I see a man, I'm like, okay, what are you going to do?
	How are you going to serve me?
	Because I can serve you.
	I'm very traditional.
	I will help you.
	But what are you going to serve me?
	It's not like a 75-25.
	It's a 50-50.
	Not on everything, but how you're going to treat the other person.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Women have like way higher standards nowadays for men because of this issue.
	And I actually get asked that a lot on my social medias about like, you know, men literally asking me, like, why do girls have such high standards now for us?
	Like, y'all aren't doing anything.
	Look, the high standards because I got left with a child by myself.
	And she's doing great.
	You know.
	Did you ever get back to working with Maluma or just?
	I've been taking a two-year sabbatical because this was a lot emotionally.
	I thought it was endgame with this guy.
	And so basically, I have to go back to Colombia.
	It's a whole money thing too.
	So I have to work again.
	But I am recording music again.
	That is happening.
	So yeah.
	But, you know, things happen.
	But that's where my high standards come from.
	And I think I'm looking for somebody who is higher when it comes to financial than what I am right now.
	Well, they're definitely out there.
	So it's not like every man is just like a crap hole.
	You know, there are so many men out there who are so willing to work and know that that is their role as a provider and know that that is their role in the family, you know, and are looking for that too.
	So definitely don't get discouraged.
	So before we get into your specific anecdote with this guy, and you provided quite a bit of details as to the story and whatnot, I'll save the anecdote for later.
	But so very picky.
	So what are your standards?
	So basically, let's talk physical.
	Let's talk physicality traits.
	Let's talk.
	So physical, I'm not really picky when it comes to physical.
	I mean, currently right now, I used to be really skinny.
	Now I'm on a weight loss.
	I have PCOS.
	So I don't care.
	I learned everything.
	Physically, honestly, he just has to be taller than me.
	I'm 5'5 and a half.
	So that's it.
	That's pretty.
	And would like to be 50.
	I mean, she's 5'11.
	Yeah, I think that's it.
	I like somebody who's really well groomed.
	And your teeth say everything.
	My mom told me, you look at somebody's teeth, you can tell how their hygiene is.
	Yeah, so teeth hygiene was really big for me.
	But that's like a but not their weight?
	No.
	Why not?
	I don't be a hygiene.
	How's that not related to hygiene?
	Some people have issues.
	Yeah, like I couldn't lose, I had really hard time losing weight because I have PCOS.
	So I understand that sometimes there's like diseases and issues involved.
	And so I don't think weight is such a big issue.
	Yeah, but that's the same thing with teeth.
	Diseases and issues.
	So like if we're just talking about what's generally true, I would say that most people generally are overweight not due to a medical issue, but because they can't put the fork down, right?
	Because of addictive foods or whatever other thing that you want to point at.
	And the same thing with teeth.
	I would say that people who have bad teeth, some of them could be affected by diseases, and that's terrible.
	Most of them probably just don't take very good care of their teeth, right?
	That makes the most amount of sense, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	I kind of agree.
	Like, I think that most people who are like, not everyone, obviously, like, there are people who have issues, but majority of people, especially men who are obese because they don't really get PCOS, it's literally just a self-control thing.
	And I'm not saying that's the case for everyone, and I'm not saying that everyone has an easy time losing weight because obviously it's not an easy thing.
	But I do think that it does, I agree, I think it does have to do with hygiene and you're taking care of yourself by having a good diet, you know?
	So I think that is kind of important, in my opinion.
	Or maybe they're not even there physically yet, but they're on their way there.
	Like that is something that's showing like dedication towards what's happening.
	If they're making progress towards it, yeah.
	See, I think that's like to clarify, like I would, I don't matter the weight, but like if I want to see somebody who, like, like I said, who wants to go to the gym, who wants to like do this stuff, you know what I'm saying?
	Or is just doing it, you know, like, hey, I'm going to the gym two times a week.
	Like, I realize like I'm not in the place that I want to be at for myself or for my future partner, but hey, I'm getting there.
	Yeah.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	You want to be exactly action.
	Yeah.
	I think another thing is that like the teeth thing I do, I think is like very valid because like weight loss can take a long time.
	Oh, yeah.
	Building muscle, sorry, building muscle takes a long time.
	But brushing your teeth, you know, flossing, going to dentist can be expensive.
	But if you go like once a year, that's fine.
	Like taking care of your teeth is an everyday thing.
	Going to the gym is an everything, but taking the, brushing your teeth, it's a one-minute, two-minute thing.
	It's not something that's going to take you a whole month to get used to.
	I would say that more people are born with bad teeth than are born obese, right?
	Are you speaking personally?
	That's not a thing.
	Well, when we say bad teeth, are we talking about, sorry.
	Just speaking.
	Just speaking in generalities, right?
	I would say that most people, that people are born with bad teeth a lot more than they're born with a precondition towards obesity.
	That's not a thing, which is, I mean, this is a brand new thing in the human condition, right?
	No, no, absolutely.
	Yeah, no one can't help it the fact that they're born with crooked teeth and it may be a little bit harder to clean their teeth, although they're still taking the strides to do it.
	Just because you don't have straight, perfect teeth doesn't mean you're unhealthy.
	Yeah, that's not, I know.
	I mean, it must be real, right?
	Like, underscore 69 donated $200.
	Chair 1, how does it feel to be from South Carolina?
	Where people can play football but not spell it hashtag strong hashtag Muppet Keep It Up Brian and Andrew.
	South Carolina, I'm not from South Carolina.
	Do you want to respond to the Muppet accusations?
	Muppet accusations.
	Did I miss something?
	Oh, yeah.
	So chair one, chair two, chair three, chair four.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, cool.
	If you think I look like a Muppet, that's cool.
	I mean, dude, the Muppets made a lot of money, bro.
	You make a lot of money if you're making a video.
	You have a horror movie about Muppets.
	That's cool.
	Get that bank.
	Exactly.
	We were talking about teeth.
	Yeah.
	I felt like you meant like cleanliness.
	Yeah, no, when I mean cleanliness, I don't mean like crooked.
	Like, it's just if you have clean teeth, you brush your teeth.
	Here, so just opening this up to the whole panel, are you picky?
	While you're married, but I was picky.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Like, it really mattered to me, like, what not only what he looked like.
	I want to be attracted to you physically.
	But, you know, obviously people are going to age through life.
	But in this moment, I want to be attracted to you.
	And then personality is such a big thing.
	Like, I need to be able to laugh with you and joke around and pick on each other a little bit.
	Not like hatefully, but like I like that like rhetoric.
	I don't know.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, dude, I call my husband a potato.
	He calls me an onion.
	Like, it's like just stupid stuff like that.
	But it makes me laugh.
	It makes him laugh.
	Like, I love that stuff.
	So personality is such a big thing.
	I love to laugh.
	Like, it's my biggest thing.
	I love to be cheerful.
	And then.
	Did he call you an onion because you make him cry?
	I said that today in the car.
	I was like, do you call me an onion because I make you cry?
	Actually, not at all.
	This boy does not cry at all, unless it's like a Disney movie, which is really cute, by the way.
	Like, so cute.
	He doesn't like cry in real life.
	But I call him potato because he's caramel colored.
	So he's like really tan?
	He's half black.
	I can call him that, though.
	So, yeah.
	I don't know.
	I love this like energy that we give each other.
	That's like constantly like, if you know, if I'm having a bad day, he can lift me up.
	And he knows the waist to lift me up.
	And the same with him.
	Like, if he's having a bad day, I know what it takes to get him up off the ground.
	Should we, he's here with you, right?
	Yeah, he's somewhere around town.
	Should we get him on the show later?
	What do you think?
	Like, like a cameo, like coming up?
	Yes.
	Yes, I'd love that.
	Yeah, maybe later.
	Dude, he's 6'4.
	Height was a big thing for me because I'm 5'6.
	I wanted a tall man because I want nice athletic babies, you know?
	Yeah, that could be interesting.
	Maybe we can arrange that later on.
	I'd love to be down.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that'd be interesting.
	We have this coming through.
	Yo, Metro Mac donated $200.
	Thank you, Matt.
	You being overweight has nothing to do with because and everything to do with what you put in your mouth and your lack of activity.
	Plenty of women with it that don't get heavy.
	Cope.
	Okay.
	I mean, I'm a healthcare major, so I know more.
	I mean, it doesn't bother me.
	I don't care.
	I know I have PCOS.
	I did the testing, came out positive.
	I take Metformin.
	I'm going.
	I also just had a baby, by the way.
	So like you gain weight with the baby.
	And you can gain up to 150 pounds.
	Yeah, legit.
	So I don't care.
	You can say what you want to say.
	I know my life.
	I know that I go and I exercise.
	I go to the gym every other day.
	That's it.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Are you picky?
	I would say yeah, but mostly mindset wise.
	Like I look for a guy who's like, is on his shit, who has disciplined, who's like, has consistency in like things.
	And that just like shows me what his future has look like.
	Also, I look at his dad.
	I'm like, if his dad is in form, he will be informed too.
	If his dad is like, you know, then he can.
	When you say inform, you mean physically?
	Yes, physically.
	And also just like, what is my, where is mind at?
	If he's like still like childish with his like wife and just like jokes around, has a lot of banter, then banter.
	It's the best.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	But of course I'm picky and just like how long have you been in the U.S. for, just curious?
	Two and a half years.
	And you came from Germany, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do they, is Fraulein still employed?
	Fraulein?
	Fraulein.
	Fraulein?
	Yeah, do people still say that?
	He said Fraulein.
	I'm thinking of like the American way.
	Are you a Fraulein?
	I don't even know.
	How do you say it?
	Fraulein.
	Fraulein.
	I Fraulein.
	Like, what does this mean?
	Like a classy woman, like, oh, little Fraulein.
	Something like that.
	That's cute.
	Like Demir.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Very demure.
	Very demir.
	Very classy.
	I would say I am.
	Okay.
	Because I'm just.
	Sure.
	Whatever fan donated $200.
	Looking at this panel, the chat is going to have a barbecue roast tonight.
	Brian, get the delusion calculator out.
	Let Andrew cook.
	Yo, whatever, fan.
	Thank you so much for the TTS, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Yeah, it's going to be an interesting show.
	Okay, so very picky, it sounds like.
	Not very picky.
	What about height?
	Height matter?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	Not really, no.
	My dad is smaller than me.
	Your dad's shorter?
	Wow.
	Wow.
	How tall are you?
	5'6.
	5'6, okay.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	Your mom tall or?
	My mom's taller, yeah.
	Oh, good for your dad.
	Exactly.
	How did he pull this?
	I don't understand.
	German riz.
	Some men like taller women.
	Aggressiveness.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Are you picky?
	See, you would have to define picky for me.
	Like, as in attractive or physical traits, it could be like personality.
	It could be what they're bringing to the table.
	I mean, yes and no.
	Like, because I have to, I mean, I have to be physically attracted to the person I'm with.
	I'm sorry.
	Like, I don't, like, they don't have to be like a model of smoke show.
	Like, I have my current boyfriend.
	Like, he looks amazing for me.
	Okay.
	But I don't think, I wouldn't consider myself picky.
	Like, I don't need someone who makes, you know, a million dollars.
	I don't need someone who's like, I don't know.
	I don't consider myself picky in that sense, really.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Were you picky before you got married?
	No, I'm not picky.
	Not picky?
	I think the things I want are pretty basic.
	And if anything, it's just if they're willing to be up for the task, like to be a father.
	I'm not picky at all.
	Wait, do you have kids?
	I do.
	I have two.
	Oh, okay.
	From your current?
	Nope.
	Oh.
	Didn't get that part.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Let's rewind a bit.
	So you've been married for two years?
	Almost two years, yeah.
	Two kids from, was that from the four-year relationship?
	You said nope.
	They're from scattered relationships.
	Oh, two kids, two fathers.
	Okay, I see.
	And are you going to have kids with your husband?
	We want to adopt.
	Adopt.
	That's just me.
	Yeah.
	So we talked about adopting and or having a kid.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	How old were you when you had your first kid?
	I was almost 21.
	Almost 21?
	Okay.
	How old were you when you had your second kid?
	2016.
	26.
	Okay.
	And two different fathers, right?
	I see.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	And you're going to adopt?
	I want to adopt.
	Yeah.
	We want to adopt.
	Does he have kids from a different relationship?
	None.
	No kids.
	Okay.
	He wants to adopt, though, two.
	He wants his own and to adopt, if we can.
	God.
	Because the process is not that easy.
	So.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Are you picky?
	I think so.
	I'm like, I don't really have any results to base it off.
	But I'm tall.
	I'm 5'11.
	So I would like a guy who's taller than me just because I want athletic babies.
	Oh, yeah, man.
	But so when you say taller than you, like six foot, okay?
	If it's gotta be like 3'4.
	If it's an inch taller than me, that's totally fine.
	I just have to be able to, you know, not see over his head.
	Good night.
	But so the cutoff, there is a cutoff.
	There is a cutoff.
	5'11?
	5'11.
	5'11 is probably the cutoff.
	So wouldn't it be 5'10?
	You know, if his personality and he looks really good, he's gotta make up for it.
	He's got a bigger.
	He's like a lethal face card or whatever.
	I think because for me, you know, protection is such a big thing.
	Wait, protection.
	Like, I want a guy who is, you know, that's why I want to be taller and stronger.
	I want a gym guy because I want to be able to feel protected when we go out.
	I want someone who can, like, you know, suddenly a fight starts out or for some reason, he would be able to be there and protect me.
	I just, protection, self-defense has always been a big, big part of my life.
	Wait, so could a guy, if the, I guess the reason is for protection, could a guy make up for it?
	For example, let's say he's like, he's a trained MMA fighter, but he's like 5'9 and 160 pounds.
	She's like, no, he's that young only.
	That guy, here's an easy one.
	Like, what if he's a lot shorter than you, but he carries an Uzi?
	See, I do want to carry guns.
	So that's kind of like already a set and stone thing.
	So it's just more of also a preference.
	It's not only protection, but I like to say protection is like the biggest reason.
	But mostly it's also preference.
	Obviously, guys who are taller tend to be more attractive to women.
	But I think I fall into that stereotype.
	Okay.
	But personality is also a very big thing for me.
	But would you rather date like that 5'9 professional MMA fighter who could or the like 6'4, 230 pound guy who hasn't trained a day in his life who like if he went up 1v1 against the MMA guy would probably get fucked up.
	I feel like also most guys who are not trained no matter what will get fucked up by an MMA fighter no matter what height.
	Unless I got a gun.
	No one no brain.
	It's I think at that point when it comes if he's that height 5'9 which is it's like what around here to me like right here sorry sorry I'm like I'm like misjudging but maybe like right here right there you know what if he's got that lethal face card and he's able to protect Me, you know, I'm okay with that.
	So, okay, but so there's the hyde.
	Uh, anything else?
	You said Jim physically, physically.
	Um, what if what if he can't beat you in tennis?
	That's I'll teach him.
	You'll teach him.
	I'll teach him.
	All right.
	But, um, for me, Christianity is a very, very big thing.
	Oh, okay.
	You know, he has to be a Christian.
	And, you know, if he's not a Christian already, then I would love it if he would go to church with me.
	And, you know, make an effort to join me in my faith because Christianity is.
	What type of Christian?
	I'm a Reformed Presbyterian.
	So would he have to be a Presbyterian?
	I think there's like a big, like, broad spectrum of denominations.
	So as long as he has similar beliefs, and as long as he proclaims Jesus as his king, then, you know, I'm okay with that.
	Like, what if he denied the Trinity, for instance?
	See, I don't, I can't do that.
	Trinity is a big part of my belief.
	So if he doesn't believe in the Trinity, then sorry.
	So then, so then the criteria for Presbyterian is pretty specific, right?
	There's some values.
	It's not just Presbyterian.
	It's of most denominations have Trinity as a big part of it.
	Yeah, I understand.
	But what I'm saying to you is that this is a specific criteria still, right?
	There's plenty of Unitarians, for instance, who identify as being Christians.
	But if the value set is Presbyterian, if they have some value set which is in contrary to that, would you still be with that person?
	Is the question?
	I think that would be something we talk about because, you know, there are a lot of beliefs that I'm not going to say I want them to change for me, but it's possible that we can talk about it and see like, why do you believe this?
	Like, what evidence do you have to support this?
	You know, it's not something that's just set in stone.
	Like, you can never change it.
	And I'm also okay with changing as well.
	I'm like, I have a very set in stone belief.
	But, you know, if you're able to convince me that this is the truth, then I'm okay.
	I will follow that.
	But I am very sorry.
	I'm, I don't know.
	I don't think I would be with, especially since Catholic does have a very big, like, contricting, sorry, contric, contradicting.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Contradicting with Christianity, you know, that's also something we'll talk about.
	I mean, I was interested in a guy who was Jewish, and, you know, I was willing to talk with him.
	We just never got anywhere.
	So there's a lot of talking that could be there.
	Would you date an Orthodox Christian?
	I'm actually going to an Orthodox Presbyterian church right now.
	So that's not at all.
	Okay, well, then I don't know.
	I've never really met an Orthodox person, so I don't really know their beliefs.
	If I can interject, Orthodox, they're more like Catholics.
	They just have different stuff because I'm Catholic and I went to a Catholic school.
	Catholics are more like Orthodox, but yeah, we're kind of the same.
	That's how I would put it.
	Also, like going to the point where you said like Catholics, not really.
	A lot of Catholics my age aren't really like they don't strictly follow the faith because of a lot of contradictions.
	I think it's more like just have a conversation with them that I can speak as me as a Catholic.
	Just have a conversation with them because there's a lot of things that they say that I feel like it's very contradicting and I'm like, okay, I think my relationship's with God and I go to church and I follow the sacraments and I'm like, okay, I went to church.
	I'm doing all these things, but there's some things that I'm like, okay, well, that's a little harsh.
	What about someone who was like non-denominational and didn't believe in religion, but believed in like a relationship with the Trinity?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I totally support that.
	You know, I'm a really big believer in like talking to people and like preaching the word of God.
	I go to a Christian school for a reason.
	So I think just a lot of these like situations, a lot of things, these issues can completely be like solved just through talking.
	Absolutely.
	And like settling differences, learning differences.
	You know, there's a lot of education that can go in talking about Christianity.
	So there's a lot of, you know, talking conversations.
	There really is because as the man of the household, he should be leading you spiritually too.
	Like you're both there to support each other spiritually, but like as the man of the house, the spiritual leader, you should agree on the exact same thing because that can bring so much chaos like down the road if you don't, you know?
	So that's really good.
	I like your viewpoints.
	Thank you.
	Here, I gotta finish up with this, but very picky.
	Are you picky?
	Yeah, I'm really, really picky.
	I'm also a Christian and I'm waiting for marriage.
	That's been my intent since I was like a little girl.
	And I'm looking for a Christian man who wants his Second Amendment rights.
	He believes in guns.
	Let's go.
	Because I want to be strapped all day.
	Because I'll be 20.
	I'll be 21 soon.
	I want to conceal Carrie.
	That's my goal.
	Add a girl to protect myself.
	I've been in a situation where like I was kind of like assaulted in a way.
	Not like.
	Constitutional Carry in Texas.
	I know.
	And she wants to bust a cat, bro.
	I don't know.
	If I need to protect myself, I have a way to protect Lucy.
	Because a lot of times, like, guys are always stronger than girls, no matter what.
	I have a twin brother, and I grip wrestling him like all the time.
	And I used to win because I used to be bigger and was proud of it.
	Now I would not be proud of it.
	But he's way bigger and he can throw me across the room so easily, just picking me up.
	So if I need to protect myself against a man, I can't.
	Because he can easily, I'm 5'4.
	I'm short.
	I'm small.
	He can easily pick me up.
	So if I have a gun, I can just protect myself.
	I need to.
	I need my first prayer right now, but I don't have a gun yet.
	Get a taser.
	Dude, get a taser.
	Dude, if you get a gun, get like a SIG M17.
	Ooh.
	Or an AR.
	Yes.
	So I'm very happy.
	I'm like, I can't own one yet.
	I know.
	But like, I believe my man should be able to protect me.
	Yep.
	And I'm 5'4, so I mean, he doesn't have to be that much taller than me.
	As long as I'm wearing heels and he's a little bit taller.
	Yeah.
	And you said, wait, so you're also a virgin, exactly?
	Also a virgin.
	Waiting until marriage.
	Yes.
	Anything on the more physical front, height, anything like that?
	I love a thick guy.
	I love.
	She wants a winter.
	I know.
	I don't need a winter coat, guys.
	Yes.
	I need like a thick guy.
	A teddy beard.
	Like a Peter Griffin?
	Yeah.
	Like a Peter Griffin?
	No, not like a Peter Griffin.
	Like a muscular thick, like a rust.
	I run tracks, so I say like a thrower thick, not like.
	What's your ideal weight for a guy?
	Oh.
	See, that's hard because muscle is heavier.
	It does, it does.
	Muscle is heavier than flat.
	215.
	It's like a thick guy.
	I love that.
	Yeah, I love that.
	All right.
	It's a little chunky.
	I want to say I'm picky.
	I think I have standards, but I think that's what everyone has.
	But I'm just, I'm not picky.
	I'll date.
	One of my exes is shorter than me.
	Okay.
	One last question on that here in just a sec.
	Someone donated $200.
	What if the guy was awesome, Christian, et cetera, but he lived far away from you and couldn't move?
	This is for you too.
	I looked at you.
	Let's see.
	I've never done long distance before.
	Actually, one of my situationships was long distance and it didn't last a month.
	Well, he was being very dry and I just, I couldn't do that because he wasn't responding.
	But I've never done long distance.
	I don't mind giving it a try.
	I have a whole bunch of friends who it didn't work for.
	If it works for me, that's okay.
	And you know, when I get old enough and I can go see him on my own, then I'm sure we'll have a good time.
	But hopefully, I meet him before we do the long distance.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	We do long distance.
	Yeah, I would agree with that.
	I tried long distance for a little bit.
	It didn't really work out that well.
	I feel like you need a base relationship in person.
	And personally, for me, I'd rather be friends first than date them.
	So then it's like a little less awkward.
	Like I know them more.
	But I've had a situation ship and it was long distance.
	Didn't really work out that well just because of how far away he was.
	He's a great Christian.
	I still pray for him here and there.
	Just kept in touch that way.
	But he's watching this crying.
	I know.
	I'd be like, please don't be watching this right now.
	You know who you are.
	Please.
	I actually know we need the views, but please know.
	But I would say I want to have it in person first, then try the long distance because I want that physical, like in-person connection.
	I'm like, physical touch person.
	And if you're, yes, if you're long distance, you can't do that.
	Like, I love hugs.
	So, so actually, me and my husband did that.
	We were long distance first and we became great friends.
	He lived in Virginia.
	I lived in California.
	So complete opposite ends of America.
	And we grew the best friendship possible.
	Like, we actually met on TikTok and then just started FaceTime every day.
	Nothing was sexual.
	And he was like the first man that ever came into my life that didn't treat me sexually and was just wanting to be a friend, just wanted to get to know me, just wanted to learn my personality just to be friends.
	Like he made that very clear.
	I made that very clear.
	I was like, dude, I'm on a serious single streak right now.
	Like I'm loving life right now.
	So he came into my life.
	We became great friends.
	Met up for the first time in Nashville and stayed in very different hotels.
	And we were just happy to like combine our friendship there in person.
	Nothing got sexual.
	It was just hanging out.
	I was like, dude, I love this guy.
	Like he's chill with me.
	He doesn't treat me like an object, like literally everyone else does.
	And then that grew into something so beautiful.
	And he had requirements as a Christian man.
	He led me to Christ and showed me God's love through just treating me right, sending me Bible verses and praying over me and just like so encouraging to me over the phone, over text messages, and continue to show Christ's love no matter what and respect to me.
	And then he was like, he was like, dude, I can't date you.
	You're on OnlyFans.
	I was like, he's like, that's just me.
	And like, you know what I'm saying?
	And I was like, okay, I understand it.
	I respect that.
	You know, and then like one day he sent me this really long voice note just encouraging me and telling me in such a loving way that God had something so much better for my life than this.
	And I was like, no shot.
	And so that's what kind of started my walk with Christ.
	I started feeling super convicted over what I was doing in my life and it hit so deep.
	So, and then I got saved very shortly after, but then there was no promise of us even getting together.
	I was like, if I'm doing this, I'm doing this for Christ and not you.
	Because at the end of the day, God has somebody for me regardless.
	And then, and then later on, he asked me to be his girlfriend.
	And then literally, like within three months, we got married because we knew it was right.
	So, but yeah, it was awesome.
	It was awesome.
	So don't be, don't be afraid for long distance.
	No, don't be afraid.
	That's something that gives you this longing for them.
	That's like, it's so, it's so perfect.
	Like, you just get to know them without even touching.
	And physical touch is my love language.
	And so that was hard for me, but his love language is quality time.
	So he was feeling loved, like just being on the phone with me.
	So I was like, that's really cool.
	Yeah.
	That's so sweet.
	Yeah.
	Last thing on the picky thing, just curious, do any of you here have, and I know maybe some of you are a bit on the young side, so money hasn't quite yet or not yet become really a factor so much when it comes to your dating.
	But let's assume, you know, when you're in your mid-20s or, you know, the guy who you eventually will marry, do you have a sense of how much you would like your partner to be earning?
	I know some of you are already in a relationship, so some of you might say, oh, he's got to make six figures, this sort of thing.
	Nala, I don't know if I should even ask the people who are in relationships this.
	Why don't we start with you then?
	I mean, I'm already making a good amount of money.
	You're doing the OnlyFans?
	Yes, I'm doing like investing in stocks, investing in Bitcoin.
	You're going to date a guy who works at McDonald's?
	Yeah.
	Brie cheese burrs.
	Yeah.
	They're younger boycotts.
	I'm like, I'm not interested in a guy who's really just money fixed and just money focused because at the end of the day.
	Because I have to.
	Yeah, I'd say it's so expensive, especially for international.
	Shouldn't he also be money fixed?
	No.
	If he has a good like system with his parents and they support him good since you date a guy who lives with his parents?
	No.
	When you're 25?
	No.
	Oh, when I'm 25.
	Okay, okay.
	Different story.
	He should have a financial plan for his future.
	Yeah.
	What's wrong with living with your parents?
	Nothing.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	No, no.
	Most girls won't date a guy who lives with your mother.
	know i understand that but sometimes it's like for people who so my husband got out of the military He's a disabled vet and went back to go live with his parents to get on his feet on the ground.
	And because the military treats you like crap after you're out.
	Even when you're in, they treat you like crap.
	So then he got back on his feet and started being like a huge live streamer.
	And that was so supportive.
	So it was just like, I don't know, sometimes it's just to like get your grounds again.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	It's true.
	So do you have just so I can move things along, bare minimum income here?
	In a year?
	For the guy to make, yeah.
	Like half a mil?
	Wait, hold on.
	That's impressive if he didn't do that.
	Well, I don't care about how much money he makes.
	Half a mil?
	Bare minimum.
	Half a million.
	Drops a bag of shit.
	What is he doing?
	Fucking Deutsch in fucking Reichmarks or some shit?
	What the fuck?
	Something illegal.
	Do they still have Deutschmarks or Reich?
	Did I say Reichmarks?
	Oh my God.
	I can't believe I just said that.
	Deutsch.
	Deutsch.
	Yeah, Deutschmarks.
	It's Euro, so they don't use that anymore.
	Okay, that's way too much, right?
	Half a mill is way too much.
	Yeah, $500,000.
	That's a 1%er.
	Well, what's like the average income?
	Yeah.
	Anyways, wait.
	Before I get my feedback on this, I want everybody's...
	Okay.
	Wait, what's the average income?
	Yeah, like, what's the average income in California?
	I'm not entirely sure.
	I think.
	I think it's like 83,000.
	What's the average income in the United States, though?
	No, it's not 83,000.
	No.
	In California, it's about the average income.
	60k i was thinking like 50k but california How do people live here off 50K with lots of roommates?
	They really don't.
	They have massive amounts of subsidies that they have to use.
	That's the business model for California businesses, is that they pay low underneath a certain threshold so that government subsidies will come in and take care of it.
	It's corporate welfare.
	So what about you, bare minimum?
	Well, personally, I don't care that much about money.
	Like, I could be dating a literal broke guy, but preferably, I would prefer him to have enough to at least have like a stable life with me, you know?
	And I'm willing to contribute to that as well.
	You know, it's not like he's the only one that needs to be making money, but as long as we're able to, you know, pay rent and put food on the table, that's all I really care about.
	Okay.
	Maybe if you guys can just give me a number, just are you just asking relate uh people that are not yeah, I guess maybe single is better, I guess.
	So, a number, yeah.
	So, I mean, you're young, you're you're 19, so but like uh fast forward, you're 25, your future husband when he's in he's 25 or 30, how much do you think he should be making?
	I don't, I don't know, like a good number.
	I think honestly, whatever is average would be good enough to average fun, okay.
	All right, um, so I dated a broke guy like anything better than that.
	So, um, my dad makes more than six figures, and my brother makes more than six figures.
	So, I can't date that.
	Uh, no, I'm gonna date them.
	This is just what I'm saying.
	I'm not dating them, but that's my I want somebody who does more than six figures, maybe more than five mil, ten mil.
	Yeah, damn, yeah, sorry, watch.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Wait, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Uh, yeah.
	Wait, five mil a year?
	Yeah.
	Like, five mil a year is a basic minimum.
	Hold on, wait, wait, Five mil a year is the bare minimum.
	Yeah.
	So four mil.
	You don't cut it, bro.
	No, I mean, no, no, no.
	I think the bare minimum would be like a million.
	Five million dollars a year is your bare minimum.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	It's not derived from money.
	It's also because I have stocks and stuff, and I have a sub amount of money too.
	Yeah, blue chips.
	What do you got?
	I don't know.
	My dad's in charge of that one.
	He started investing when I was a little baby.
	So, yeah.
	So make him sign up prenup.
	You know what's in the account?
	No.
	You don't know what's in the account?
	No.
	I don't want to look at it.
	So it could be 10 mil for all you know.
	Is it six figures, seven figures?
	I think it's a little between six or seven figures.
	That's what I'm thinking right now.
	So when I tell you my parents came and worked their asses off, they worked their asses off.
	Were there prenups?
	Yeah.
	If I get married, they have to sign a prenup.
	If you get married, if I get married, they have to sign a prenup.
	That happened after my sister.
	Yeah.
	Wait, they have to sign a prenup?
	Like my protect your resources?
	No, so not if I get a boyfriend, if I get married, there's a prenup involved because, yeah, it's to protect mine to protect your assets.
	Yeah, my asses.
	You mentioned your sister.
	I thought you said that these were your parents' assets.
	No, because I have my own assets that are between six figures to seven figures right now that I haven't touched on.
	It's in her name.
	It's a thing.
	Yeah, I have a trust and I have other things too.
	They were given to you by your family.
	Yeah, but I mean, if it's a trust, they're not going to be able to access the trust.
	But still, it was a conversation that I had with my parents.
	They said, well, you're 18.
	If you find a husband, they have to sign a prenup.
	So would you be able to work to maintain that six-figure standard that you have for the man and apparently yourself as well?
	So yeah, so right now, obviously, I'm a recording artist and you know how that goes.
	I'm also studying in school.
	And basically, by the time I graduate and finish my master's and stuff and get my business running, I will be making probably six and seven figures a year, too.
	How do you get to that number?
	Basically, it's in aesthetics.
	I want to work in aesthetics.
	So, yeah.
	Like plastic surgery, Botox, stuff like that.
	Oh, very six figures.
	You're in school currently?
	Yeah.
	Studying what again?
	Nursing.
	Nursing.
	And healthcare.
	And I might go and study in med school too.
	So, you want to become a plastic surgeon?
	Yeah, I went to a lot of med school stuff in high school.
	I wanted to be a doctor.
	So, and that's what I wanted to do: plastic surgery.
	And I went to Newark medical school and I took classes in high school.
	And they told me that I have a gifted hand for surgery when they saw me cut open the pig.
	Oh, the cadaver.
	Yeah.
	No, I didn't do the cadaver.
	We had to do dissect the pig, and they told me to dissect the brain, and I did it perfectly, I guess.
	So I don't want to say, oh my God, but basically, yeah, that's it.
	I cut up a frog in the high school.
	That's not a cow-eye.
	No, cow-eye.
	Cutting frogs off my hand.
	Dissecting.
	Also, like, the point of like financially, too, going back to it, I live a certain lifestyle as well.
	My parents built a certain lifestyle for us.
	And basically, I want to keep that lifestyle.
	And that's the lifestyle that my daughter's growing up in right now.
	So I don't want to minimize that for her, too, because then that would be a great disservice for her.
	What lifestyle is that?
	So basically, my daughter can get whatever she wants and it won't be a problem.
	Do you think that's good?
	She doesn't get whatever she wants because I have morals.
	But if she's not, I'm contradicting.
	I mean, like, if she wanted something, she could get it.
	But basically, the way how I'm like financially saying, basically, how we're taking care of her as if it's no, it's no, and that's it because I want to show her how life is actually.
	Because I'm super confused here, though.
	Maybe you can help me out.
	I don't understand how your daughter's lifestyle would change if you married a man who didn't make $5 million a year.
	Well, it was a conversation I had.
	My dad, my dad takes help.
	Because you're saying right this second, your daughter can have whatever she wants and is already rich.
	So, and you have the expectation she has this lifestyle.
	Okay, I don't understand how that changes by marrying a man who doesn't make $5 million.
	I mean, if he makes $37,000 a year, how does that change her lifestyle?
	So, basically, that's a really great question.
	So, basically, my daughter, she's in a lot of different programs that she can, you know, go to.
	She can go to some specific daycares if she wants to.
	And basically, kids are expensive these days.
	Very, very expensive.
	But I can't.
	They're assuming.
	Like, now these days are very expensive.
	And so, I want her to just appreciate the stuff that we have because I was in a situation when, and I can't really talk about that.
	Yeah, but I don't understand.
	I still don't really actually understand this.
	So, right this second, your daughter is going to have this amazing life and already does.
	Right this second, right?
	Absent any man whatsoever.
	If a man comes in the picture, how exactly does that change?
	I mean, um, it just so basically with a man coming in that picture, he has nothing to do with my daughter.
	It has to do with myself, but it also has to do with the certain values of being a go-getter.
	That you just not want that guy to like take what you have basically like for granted and just kind of expect you to provide when I when I was requirements of prenup, right?
	So, the requirements of prenup, but I think she already can provide all of this lifestyle.
	I actually still don't really understand how a man coming in the picture affects this at all, even if he made like he could be the biggest go-getter in the world and only make 50 grand a year, right?
	I mean, also, kids, um, they're only expensive if you make it so.
	Okay, so I have two, she has five, and I make I make $50,000 a year, and my husband makes similar.
	And we make ends meet.
	We live a very humble lifestyle, and they are very happy, and they don't know anything other than what they have.
	So it's really, it really depends on how you parent them and the things that you give them.
	Sure, it's positive.
	It's great that you can just, you know, gift them things and throw lavish birthday parties.
	But you can make ends meet.
	Yeah.
	That's well and good, but if you don't mind, I would actually like an answer to my question.
	If there's a prenuptial agreement, you sign the pre-nup, you're the man, right?
	So he can't get any of your estate.
	Most of your estate's locked behind a trust anyway.
	Right this second, you're accustomed to a lifestyle which you yourself are providing.
	How does a man even making entry-level money in any way, shape, or form affect this lifestyle?
	I think it has to do with the stuff that I went through in my past, has a lot to do with what it comes to financially.
	Like the things that I went through, I like basically lost when I was pregnant, kicked out of my house, and lost everything.
	So that has a lot to do with that.
	With when it comes to being like a single mom and stuff, the man obviously has nothing to do with kids, but I feel like it just this is my thing.
	I went through dating someone who didn't make nothing, and I went through that situation and I don't like it.
	I don't want to be in that situation.
	So I get the prenuptial agreement, but I also want somebody who's kind of in my like financial status range as well.
	Or it just depends.
	I know I say I want something, but then if I meet a guy and he's like starting out with the business and but it's gonna go somewhere, then it's fine.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm not being argumentative here.
	I just have a question.
	So if you got kicked out of your house and stuff, but you are financially set, how did that happen?
	So my parents weren't okay with me getting pregnant.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	They were not happy.
	Were they paying for the place and then kicked you out?
	I was living with them.
	Oh, gosh.
	Yeah.
	I was living with them at the time.
	I got kicked out because I, first, I decided that I wanted to have a kid and my dad got upset.
	And then, second of all, I decided to stay behind my boyfriend at the time and, you know, have him in that kind of environment and raise the kid together.
	So, yeah, I lived, I moved back to Pasaic, and I forgive me.
	I don't mean to be pedantic or beat on this dead horse too much, but I still actually feel like I have not gotten an answer to my question.
	How would it actually change at all if you're this loaded and he signs a prenup coming in and most of your wealth is behind a trust anyway?
	How in the world would that actually change any of the situation for you or your daughter?
	I don't, I mean, like, I don't know what else I could say about that.
	I'm just, I went through a situation where a guy didn't have the same amount of money.
	I know how it is.
	So, I mean, with my daughter, yeah, if I make that money, it's the same, it's the same thing, but also it comes from a point that I don't want to be a provider as well.
	I don't want to be the one, again, paying for rent, doing all these things, paying the bills, paying all this stuff.
	I went through that.
	I kind of want it to be that, yeah, I have this money and that I can like kind of 50-50 some bills with you, but I don't want to be the sole provider when it comes to 50-50 billion.
	You're a multi-millionaire.
	You said that's what a guy making five million dollars a year is what you have the expectation of because that's what makes him on par with you.
	That is such a stupid, incredible amount of money, like an incredible amount of money.
	Five million dollars a year.
	I mean, $5 million don't.
	If you have that, why the fuck would he need to split the cost of anything ever?
	That's like an insane amount of cash.
	In other words, here, I'll give you an example.
	If you give the average man in the United States right now, at 25 years old, $5 million, he'll never have to work again.
	And his retirement, right?
	He can spend liberally and he wouldn't never have to work again.
	He would have money left over after he died.
	And you make that a year.
	I don't think, I think right now, because I live in New Jersey, which is one of the more expensive countries and stuff.
	New Jersey is an expensive country.
	No, not country, sorry, state.
	It's more of an expensive state.
	And so I honestly, I don't even think with right now how the economy is, it's like a million dollars is like is basically nothing right now.
	I'm just saying.
	What are you talking about?
	A million dollars.
	That's an astronomical amount of money.
	I mean, think of it.
	Anybody else?
	I'm thinking about taxes.
	So basically, if you buy a house, it's like the minimum in Jersey for a house right now is $500,000.
	Then if you have a mortgage, it's like basically like $36,000 to $50,000.
	And that's financed over a 30-year fixed rate.
	So your mortgage per month is $4,900.
	So my home in Texas is $360,000, right?
	But Texas has amazing house prices.
	No, yeah, but I'm not sure.
	I'm just trying to give you an example so you can kind of understand.
	I didn't pay $360,000 in cash to get that house.
	I put down a down payment and then I'm financing the rest of it through the bank.
	Right.
	And then there's a percentage of interest that I pay on top of that.
	And so, you know, my, my, and then, of course, you know, property taxes.
	So your mortgage is like $3,600 a month.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So it ends up being.
	Yeah.
	So it's not, it's not.
	So when you're saying that the houses in New Jersey are $500,000 to purchase, you know, it's not like that's how much they're paying up front.
	They're paying, you know, $4,500 a month.
	That's what they're paying, which is high, which is very high, but you know, it's not.
	Yeah.
	And then also like grocery prices are very high now, too.
	You can get right now.
	I went to Costco like two weeks ago.
	I only got four things.
	It was 200 bucks.
	I don't think normal people shop at Costco.
	Well, and also, like, a million dollars is still a lot of money.
	Like, we're in California, but that's still a lot of money.
	Yes.
	I mean, a million dollars doesn't go that far in California.
	No, it doesn't go that far.
	That's California.
	It's still like Texas.
	Like, a million dollars in Texas will take you to the moon.
	Oh, no, yeah.
	100%.
	A million dollars in Texas, you're like set because it's just different.
	I'm talking about like housing market, how it is right now.
	Rent right now in Jersey is ridiculously high.
	Wait, so this is okay.
	Hold on.
	For a frame of reference, this is $10,000,000 times five.
	That's what you're actually requesting, right?
	$10,000, $1,000 bills times $5 per year.
	Like, that is an astronomical number.
	I mean, wait, it's okay.
	Hold on.
	Okay, so you have just one kid?
	Yeah.
	One kid.
	And you want.
	So, okay, the guy needs to make $5 million a year.
	How old are you willing to date?
	Huh?
	Like, what's the age range that you would date?
	I think it really doesn't pass 35.
	Okay.
	So we've heard a bit about what you want a guy to bring to the table.
	So you want a guy who makes $5 million.
	That's a top, it's more than one.
	I mean, it's what?
	Maybe 0.1%?
	It's more than it's maybe 0.01%.
	So you want a 0.01% earner?
	Yeah, 0.01%.
	It's like, yeah.
	So what are you bringing to the table that, because a guy making that much money, unless he's like retarded?
	I shouldn't say that.
	Like, he's probably got, he can, he's probably got a bunch of options.
	Why should he date you?
	I think basically I can say that I'm a person that's very much like, I help you out, you help me out type of person.
	I am a very traditional woman, like when I'm cooking, cleaning.
	I tend to my husband.
	That's how I was taught.
	But I also expect that I be tended back.
	I am also willing at some point, if like the husband wants to have me stay home and take care of the kids, I'm willing to be a stay-at-home mom.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	And yeah, I think I bring a lot to the table.
	I'm a very, very nice person.
	I'm very, very helpful.
	And if you have a dream, I will follow it.
	If you want to start a business, I've seen it happen where a business goes successful.
	I will be there.
	I'm basically that type of person that.
	Well, if the business doesn't go successful.
	But he has $5 million.
	So it's already been successful.
	But what does that mean to be there?
	No, he doesn't have $5 million.
	He has $5 million a year.
	A year.
	$5 million a year.
	But like, okay, so.
	Like, be there, like, be there emotionally.
	Like, you know, be there shoulder to cry on.
	Be there.
	But that's just a wife.
	He's got $5 million.
	That's honestly just like a lot of people.
	Being the nurturer, like, taking care of your needs, making a home actually feel like a home, taking care of the kids.
	That's literally just a wife.
	And I also want to go into real estate and rent.
	But okay, okay, okay, hold on.
	The question was: what do you bring to the table?
	You wanting to go into real estate?
	What do you mean by like bringing to the table?
	Because that can go 10 million different ways.
	It could go like as a person.
	What would make you attractive to a man who makes $5 million a year?
	That man who makes, who's a 0.01% income earner?
	No, it's way less than that.
	It might be one five.
	Close enough.
	Like attractive, like what?
	Like physically attractive?
	It could be, but it could also just be like personality.
	I do have great sex.
	You popping out athlete babies like eating the best chili in the world.
	So let me frame it so there's no confusion.
	Okay.
	Got a man who makes $5 million per year, right?
	And is just moderately attractive.
	Okay.
	Moderately attractive.
	He's not the handsomest guy in the world, but he's not the ugliest.
	Okay.
	Just moderately attractive.
	What makes you guys evenly yoked?
	Why would he pick you?
	I think that, yeah, I do.
	I make athletic babies.
	I was a varsity soccer player, and my family's based in soccer.
	We're also a family full of engineers, too.
	Oh, nice.
	So basically, I'll bring like, well, kids when it comes to high IQ kids.
	Have you taken the IQ test?
	I haven't taken an IQ test, but.
	Dude, she's in school to be a plastic surgeon.
	Like, she got a high IQ.
	Yeah.
	She got high IQ.
	And basically.
	Oh, Brian's base.
	And then basically, I think just as personality, I think I have a really great personality.
	I'm very kind and understanding and very based in my Catholic faith as well.
	And then with sex, I don't like to talk about that.
	That's a very private conversation.
	But yeah, I mean, I got pregnant.
	That's what I can say about that.
	She's fertile.
	Yeah.
	My kid's quite fertile.
	So the extension of the question is just this.
	The man who you're looking for has $5 million and is moderately attractive has so many options available to him.
	It's ridiculous.
	He has almost more options available to him in women than almost any other type of man on planet Earth.
	In fact, short of possibly being an Olympic athlete who also is a multi-millionaire, this is like the next tier of men who can basically get whatever type of woman they want.
	Why exactly do you think he would pick you specifically out of all the women who are available to him?
	That's what the question is getting.
	I think basically I'm not like it might seem because I want a $5 million man.
	It might seem that I'm really like, oh, he has a lot of money.
	No, I think it has more sense to be in the same type of way that I'm in right now.
	If I can like, since I think, yeah, you can have all the women in the world, and some women are, some women are just there.
	You can get a woman that really just wants you for money.
	You can get an escort.
	You could get whatever you want.
	You know what I'm saying?
	When you have that much cash, I think it's the person, you need a woman that really at that point holds you down and is the one that helps you manage everything, I guess, in this sort of sense.
	What does hold down mean?
	Yeah, I was thinking crazy.
	Let me Google that shit.
	I don't know.
	I'm too white to know what that is.
	Maybe like hold down the fort.
	I'm too white for that.
	Hold you down.
	I'm too white for that.
	Meaning.
	Hold on.
	Grounds you?
	Like, grounds you, yeah.
	I mean a lot of that.
	I mean that white people know, bro.
	I thought that was like holding you down to close to $15,000 a week.
	I thought hold you down was like, had to do with money.
	Like if there's a rough spot financially, they'll hold you.
	I thought that was the meaning.
	It could be taken a lot away.
	I guess it could be a lot of a lot of people.
	No, yeah, like somebody who like grounds you basically.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I feel like.
	You know, chains you down.
	Holds you down.
	Oh, look at the idea.
	You're going in every direction.
	Just like they all ball and chain, you know.
	Oh, my God.
	It's like.
	Wait, how much money do you make per year?
	Right now?
	Yeah.
	I'm a student.
	Right now, my program is very rigorous.
	So basically, I work a part-time right now, so I can focus on studying.
	Wait, a question for you.
	So, okay.
	This guy makes $5 million a year.
	Yeah.
	And you said you won't settle for less, right?
	Yeah.
	No, I'll settle for like a million.
	Oh.
	Like a year.
	Excuse me.
	A million a year.
	Wait, is that the bare minimum?
	I thought five mil was the bare minimum.
	No, I said a million.
	I thought so too.
	I thought so.
	I thought I prefer.
	Prefer 5 mil.
	You'll settle.
	You'll settle for a million.
	I might settle for, it just depends.
	I'm just for $9.50.
	Settle for a million.
	What about $950?
	Okay.
	You'll do it.
	You keep lowering it.
	Don't settle.
	I'm not.
	Don't.
	Don't take a warm, right?
	Don't settle.
	You got something?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought you had like you wanted to.
	What's your question?
	Oh, so like, okay, you meet a $5 million a year guy and he's into you and he's like, would you just stop pursuing a career?
	No.
	What if he wants you to?
	He's like, I make $5 million a year.
	You don't got to work.
	Quit that shit.
	No, I won't.
	I won't take it.
	Why?
	Because I have, you know, situations that happen to other people in my family where that has happened.
	It's been taken.
	I mean, yeah, I have a trust, but how long will a trust last, you know, with how the economy is going to be?
	I mean, let's say you guys are married for three years.
	He makes $5 million a year.
	He's made 15 million dollars over the course of the three years.
	That's community property.
	You're getting half of that.
	That's $7.5 million.
	You're set.
	You're set if you're married to the guy for three years.
	Dude, yeah.
	And if he puts it in like a brokerage account or something, that grows compound interest.
	No, life insurance policy grows compound.
	I don't want to.
	I also want to.
	No, but he said, so $5 million guy steps to you and is like, we're going to get married.
	I want you to stay at home.
	We're going to pump out babies.
	You're going to stop this school shit.
	Athlete babies.
	Because medical school, very time-consuming.
	You want to become a surgeon.
	That's super time-consuming.
	Takes years of time, tons of money.
	He's making $5 million a year.
	And he says, This is what I want.
	You're going to stop?
	No.
	Because I want to have a business.
	So you don't care.
	Wait, so even to the five million a year guy, you won't be submissive to him.
	No.
	No, as in you won't be submissive.
	Well, it depends on why she needs to be submissive.
	This is what her dream was.
	And if he loved her, he would let her pursue her dream.
	That's the thing.
	If somebody would love me and know anything about it.
	I mean, bro, your dreams take a back seat when you're dealing with a guy who makes five million dollars.
	I don't really think so.
	I think, like, sounds like he's submitting to you.
	But what are the dreams?
	Like, what are the so your dreams?
	You want to be a plastic surgeon to do what?
	To make people beautiful.
	Well, hold on.
	I mean, that's what I'm saying.
	I mean, if we want to talk about enough bodies, you want to give me meals, bro.
	You want to just like slice into people and give them fucking fake titties and shit.
	Like, that's very weird.
	No, I mean, I don't know.
	You make money, right?
	No, so basically, my parents, when I went to college, were like, okay, they always knew that my dream was music.
	Like, I always wanted to perform and whatever.
	Well, he was like, let's be realistic.
	You can't.
	And this is probably going to be very like something that's I forget the word.
	Controversial.
	Controversial.
	Yeah.
	Controversial.
	So basically, they're like, you to make no money in the U.S. with music as a well, yeah, it's very oversaturated.
	Yeah.
	So basically.
	Where are you going to go?
	Kosovo?
	Where are you going to?
	Thank you, Beyonce.
	Where are you from?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, where's your family history from?
	My dad is Brazilian, and he's Colombia.
	My grandma actually used to sing in the radio in Brazil.
	Yeah, but I mean, the music scene in Latin America is completely inundated as well.
	And then my mom's from Colombia.
	So, okay, there's the singing, the singing, bro.
	His brain is about to explode.
	But a lot of people.
	You want to do plastic surgery.
	You're husband.
	Wait, if I like making five million make you understand why I like the plastic surgery because I see like your head is turning.
	So basically, the singing was there until I went to college and everyone started talking middle school.
	Oh, what do you want to do?
	Did you just tell me a plastic surgeon?
	So basically.
	So basically, when I got to middle school, they're like, okay, we got to think about college.
	Like, you have to be realistic.
	What do you want to do?
	Really good at science.
	I decided that I wanted to go into medical fields.
	And then it went from basically being a doctor and going into all these medical classes to get ready to go to med school.
	And then I decided to go into nursing.
	And then now I'm deciding to go back.
	But because music, it's really hard to get popular.
	Can you help me out with something here?
	Because I'm so happy.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Are we arriving at an answer?
	I literally told you, though, so you can understand why I went into like plastic surgery and stuff.
	I actually, wait, actually, that's what I want to ask about because I don't understand.
	You don't, if I got this right, okay, in my notes here, you don't actually ever have to work again.
	Is that correct?
	No, I still have to work.
	Why?
	I still have to work.
	Is it a part of the agreement in your trust?
	I think it's a part of the agreement.
	I don't know what the agreement in my trust.
	All I know is that I have to go and I have to work and make money and start my own business.
	Or if not, I had to go into the family.
	Do you have a career rules or because like your parents set that up for you to gain money from the trust rules?
	No.
	The people who own the trust set rules and stipulations.
	I don't know what the trust rules and stuff, but when we went, my dad's like, either you're going to go to college, you're going to study something, or you're going to go into the family business.
	That's it.
	If I don't.
	Okay, well, then how do you live right now?
	How do I work?
	I'm a phlebotomist, so I work on the weekends because I have my daughter and I also have school.
	Okay, so right now you're taking care of your daughter and working, and that is the income that you have.
	Yeah.
	Wait, how much do you have?
	Nobody is giving you any income.
	I make 22 announcements.
	It sounds like a made-up word.
	What is that?
	You know, when you go get your blood test in the doctor?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's the person who puts the needle and drugs.
	Wait, I'm just confused.
	Wait, Help me out.
	Just help me out here.
	We're getting to the bottom of this.
	I'm almost done, right, with my inquiry.
	So you're the one working right now.
	You're supporting your daughter right now, not your parents, correct?
	My parents are helping me support my daughter right now financially.
	Okay, so they send you X amount of money per month or something like this.
	Yes and no.
	What does that mean?
	So basically, my parents, my mom takes care of my daughter while I go to school, and my parents pay for her health care, like health insurance, stuff like that, so I can focus on finishing college.
	That's not okay.
	So right now, your daughter's standard of living is based around a $22 an hour single mother working.
	Is that correct?
	No.
	No.
	Your daughter lives with you, or you both live with your parents?
	We both live with my parents.
	I see.
	Okay, so you live with your parents and you're working and you make 20.
	Okay, now I understand.
	Okay, this story, right, has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese block.
	I'm just like trying to put it together so I can figure it out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I have a couple questions here.
	You said a trust exists, which is valued at between six and seven figures.
	Believe.
	I've never seen it, but that's where I've seen it.
	Do you only get access to it after like 25 or something like that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	If you were able to not work, would you?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I mean, it just, I want to like establish somewhat of a career first.
	And then if I was given the opportunity, like, hey, you want to be, I know you like took your time, establish a career, and you want to be like a stay-at-home mom or like not work, that's fine.
	Like, I don't have a problem with that.
	So, as of right now, you're staying with your parents with your daughter to save money because you don't want to spend it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And that's why you want a man with $5 million because you don't want to spend the money that you have.
	No.
	I willing to spend right now.
	I'm saving the money and I work and stuff because I want to go to school and have a career so I can make an amount of money because I don't know.
	Honestly, I know there's a trust.
	I don't know what the trust rules are and everything.
	So basically, I you don't know what the rules of your own trust are?
	No.
	We haven't had that conversation.
	I know what trust.
	I can't.
	Okay, I'm not going to, I'm not going to share.
	I'm just not good at sugarcoating things.
	So I just, I just want to repeat back to you what I'm hearing so that you understand my perspective.
	Okay.
	And granted, this is going to sound mean, but I'm not trying to, I'm just repeating back what I'm hearing.
	This is the highlight from this.
	Overweight single mom who lives with her parents wants man who makes five million dollars a year to marry her under a pre-nuptial agreement that he doesn't have access to the wealth in a trust that she doesn't know the rules of or how much is in it.
	Is it does that summarize it?
	Yeah, but you know, I get it.
	I'm overweight.
	No, no, that's not the key in point.
	What I'm looking at is the idea, the idea versus the reality of the thing.
	Right?
	Okay, that's what summarizes it.
	Yeah, if you want to go ahead.
	I think what he's just trying to say, it's a bit not realistic.
	Your expectations are not.
	That's what I a lot of.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's what you say.
	$5 million.
	That's where I said my standards are high.
	I don't.
	And I keep saying that I don't know if it's going to change.
	Now, these are my standards right now.
	It can change when I meet the right man.
	God doesn't know what he's going to put for me.
	This is what I've been saying.
	Like, I've been saying, well, it can change.
	This is what my standards are right now.
	It can change.
	So that's what I'm.
	High standards.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	High standards.
	I have high standards.
	I've been through a lot of crap.
	So, like, it just, that's where it is.
	High standards doesn't have to do with someone making $5 million.
	I always wanted to ask a woman who said that a question.
	The question of, you know, you never know who God's going to send for you, right?
	I agree with that, by the way.
	But I got to ask you something.
	If you prayed every single day for this perfect man and you never got him, and then he died and you met God, would you tell God that you were angry with him that he didn't send you that man?
	That's a good question now.
	No.
	Okay, I didn't think that you would.
	So why in the world would you think that God would want to send a man to suffer?
	Like, why would he?
	Why would God send a man with $5 million to suffer?
	Because you really wanted that man?
	I mean, I always wonder if women ever think about the other influence.
	I'm sorry, wait, how would suffer?
	How would he suffer?
	Yeah, what a suffering thing.
	You need to say something explaining.
	So this case, right, in this particular case, I just summarized the position she's in, right?
	If we are to assume for a moment that you think, okay, I'm a prize or I'm the prize or whatever, right?
	I wonder if women ever internalize this in their prayer of the thing, one, the thing I want.
	I want thing, I pray for thing.
	That you might suck, right?
	And if you did, why would God send a man to suffer for you?
	That's what I always wonder.
	I always wonder if they ever think about the other side of the coin.
	Did God not send Jesus to suffer for all of us?
	Yeah.
	Jesus is God's son.
	No, Jesus is God.
	You're a Trinitarian.
	Jesus is God.
	Well, I'm not a Trinitarian.
	I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but he's called the Son of God because He's the Son of God.
	No, he's called by John God Himself.
	He allowed himself to be prayed to.
	Jesus Christ is God.
	You can pray to Jesus, absolutely, but he is God's Son.
	No, he is God.
	The Trinity.
	Then why does the Bible specifically say that God is in heaven on the throne and Jesus says at his right hand two, but they are also one?
	No, there is one God.
	The Bible are you reading?
	But isn't Jesus like the physical embodiment of God?
	God, so basically.
	I'm trying to answer, trying to answer the question, right?
	Right, but what man, what does your question have to do with anything?
	Like, I'm talking about a man suffering for her.
	If God sent her a man, how would he suffer?
	It should be the right one that God is.
	God wouldn't want to send them a man because he didn't want that man to suffer because the woman isn't that great.
	Right.
	I think if you reworded the thing, but like that way.
	Am I hearing this right?
	I think he should have reworded it.
	Pretty well.
	I think he should have reworded it, to be honest.
	Reworded?
	Are you saying that?
	Okay, if you're not.
	Are you saying that if God sent her a man, he would suffer?
	Are you saying that she deserves to be single?
	Because if God sent her a man, he would suffer.
	I'm not doing any of those things.
	I'm asking a simple question.
	I heard that.
	My purview is this.
	Yeah, I heard that.
	If you pray for X thing, in this case, another human being, another human being has free will.
	You agree with me, right?
	They have free will.
	So the sequence here would be that God would have to influence this human being to put him in your path through some sequence of events.
	If this is the case, that that is true, I often wonder if women who pray for the mighty $5 million man to come in and do whatever it is, why they think it is that God would want to perhaps make this man suffer on behalf of that woman.
	I wonder if they ever think that.
	God doesn't use people like that.
	Absolutely not.
	I wonder if they ever think of it in alternative terms.
	I'm not saying God operates that way.
	I'm asking from the viewpoint of the person who's praying for a man.
	Did she ever say that she was praying for a man?
	You said that you were praying for a man.
	She never said that.
	You never know who God's.
	Roll it back.
	I said you never know who God is, but I'm not saying I'm directly playing a God.
	I do.
	I got to move it on a little bit.
	I have to do one more question here, and then we got to read a couple chats and stuff.
	But just really quick, going back to my thing, I said, you meet this $5 million guy, and he said, because you have your pursuits when it comes to your medical school, plastic surgery, pursuits, what have you, nursing.
	He's like, oh, I want kids.
	I want you to stay at home, take care of the kids.
	He makes $5 million a year.
	I think I already answered this question.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	No, but just clarifying, so you will not listen to him.
	You won't be submissive to him.
	You'll be like, no, actually, I want to keep working even though you make so much fucking money.
	I don't need to work.
	Just so I understand it.
	Yeah, that was my answer.
	I think if somebody loved me and knew enough that I wanted to start my career and stuff and establish a career and okay, so what is the purpose of your career?
	My purpose for my career.
	Like, why do people have jobs and careers?
	To get money to be successful.
	To make money.
	To make money.
	But he has money.
	And he's like, you know what?
	I don't work.
	I got the money.
	Okay, yeah.
	I say that I want like, what's it called?
	Like a $5 million man.
	I don't mean like, oh, yeah, I want to live with his money.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's not that I want to live with his money.
	Yeah, he has $5 million.
	But why would you want a man who makes that much money so that you can get a money?
	I mean, I think it comes from hurt.
	She said it a couple of times.
	I've said it.
	It feels like she's hurt.
	It comes from experiences.
	She was hurt by her last guy.
	She was left by her last guy.
	If I dated a woman who made $5 million and I could quit this contract.
	He was a sugar mommy, y'all.
	Signed me up.
	But hold on.
	Wait, there's a lot of healing there.
	You have a lot of time off.
	You can go to the spa.
	You can go to the spa.
	Private trainer.
	Private trainer.
	A private trainer.
	Dietitian.
	I think those are just her standards based off of where she's at now.
	Let's let her talk.
	No, I think you got it right on the spot.
	Can I ask the question?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You believe in God.
	Yes.
	Do you think God wants you to lead this material life?
	I don't think it's materialistic.
	I feel like if I had that money, I would donate a lot.
	I used to donate.
	Actually, it was called you.
	How much would you donate?
	Can you donate it to me?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Come on, kids, man.
	Come on.
	How much of a five mil per year are you donating?
	I think I would like to go.
	I think I would like to open up more schools in Colombia that don't have resources.
	And my grandma.
	In my grandma's town, there's a rundown school, and they have to walk like 50, like 20 to 50 miles to get to school, or they get to a bus up a mountain.
	How many Colombian schools does $5 million a year get you?
	I don't think she said she would give a wife.
	I said I would donate a lot of money.
	No, I'm just curious.
	I'm curious.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Like, I don't have to.
	How much of the, how much?
	A mil a year?
	I mean, like.
	Two mil?
	I don't know.
	Like.
	So basically.
	If I'm the husband in the situation, you ain't donating my fucking money.
	I feel like if Columbia can take care of itself.
	No, I feel like basically, like, talking about God, I want to give back to the community.
	I also, like, yeah, I live this lifestyle and whatever, but I do really like to help out with the community.
	I've been, we did a lot of drives for the pantry growing up.
	We've done car shows, drives, and we've done things to give back.
	I've donated money to services and kids in Colombia.
	That's sweet.
	Yeah.
	So how, so, okay, the guy makes $5 million a year.
	You're going to be like, I want to give away a mil of the five mil.
	Yeah.
	You want to give it?
	Or, yeah.
	What if he says no?
	We're not giving away anything because we need it.
	Okay, that's it.
	Well, you got your own.
	Well, you got it.
	Yeah, I've got my own.
	So what if he wants to donate your entire paycheck?
	Like, he wants to just live on his paycheck, but he wants to take your paycheck and use it for your philanthropy.
	That's a good question.
	That's my philanthropy.
	Like, if I.
	It's like, look, we're not going to live on your money.
	Your money is going to all get donated.
	But my money is going to get lived.
	We're going to use my money to live.
	Yeah.
	My money's going to pay the mortgage, the groceries, the kids, all that stuff.
	Your money, you can donate it all to charity.
	Then what?
	No.
	Okay.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Okay.
	So hold on.
	Okay.
	You're Catholic, right?
	Yeah.
	In the Catholic faith, aren't you supposed to be submissive to your husband?
	Yeah.
	And you're supposed to tithe as well.
	Yeah, that could be your charity.
	But I did also say that when we were talking about the Catholic faith, that there's a lot of things that I agree with and I follow, but there are things that I'm not like 100% like what would follow.
	Like being 100% submissive to the husband.
	I think that.
	Do you not think it's biblical to be submissive?
	And in what ways?
	The Catholic faith is not a buffet.
	It's not like you don't get to pick C's and choosies, the things that you follow if you're a Catholic.
	You're Catholic or you're not Catholic.
	It's a holistic, it's a holistic form of Christianity.
	All of it or none of it.
	So you like it.
	That is Catholicism.
	Like you want to peg your boyfriend on like Fridays or something?
	Right.
	Oh no, you said you want like pick and choose.
	So I feel like I don't think it's like pick and choose.
	Like you want like kind of a submissive cherry pick and peg.
	It is.
	Okay.
	It's okay.
	I don't, no kink shaming here.
	I don't want to submit.
	No, I don't talk about this stuff.
	My bad, my bad.
	So basically, what was like you want to like?
	No, I just feel like it, that whole like submissive Submissive thing.
	Also, there's like a, I don't think it's like taken as like fully submissive.
	I feel like, because when they go submissive and the Catholic people are like, oh, yeah, you have to listen to your husband, but you also have to listen to your wife.
	Yeah, Andrew.
	Why are you laughing?
	Isn't it so?
	Well, I'll explain.
	Andrew's just like this, bro.
	This is why we have beef.
	He has a maniacal laugh.
	That's so silly.
	Just like that.
	I don't care if you say that you're a Catholic or you don't say that you're a Catholic.
	I only care if you say that you're a Catholic and then you say something like, but my version of Catholicism is a faith-based buffet where I can pick what I want and I can take that and then I leave the rest of it and I only like the stuff over here and I leave this stuff over here.
	That's not Catholicism.
	That's some other olicism that's not that awesome.
	Whatever it is, it's not that.
	It's something besides that thing.
	And so that's where I get into disputes.
	It's like, if you say, I'm a Christian and I believe in, I don't know, whatever other things you believe in, fine, I can accept that.
	But if you say, I'm a Roman Catholic, that has super specific criteria.
	You're either a Roman Catholic or you're not a Roman Catholic.
	There's no in-between.
	Okay, so I have a question.
	You consider anything external.
	I have a question.
	You would think complete obedience to the church to be heretical and non-Catholic.
	They would consider that to be non-Catholic.
	So if I have a question, right?
	So you're talking about submissive.
	Like, I have to completely just be like, oh, hey, like, you know, my husband said one thing.
	I have to be like, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	So if my husband says, like, if my husband says unchristian, yeah, yeah.
	And I have to.
	Well, that's about being equally or unequally yoked.
	Like, there's also a compartment to reason.
	So God is the logos, logi.
	The idea is that the nature of God is logic and reason.
	That's part of God's nature's unchanging nature.
	If somebody asks you to do something which is external to Christian ethics, when you're a Christian, that doesn't comport with reason.
	They're asking you to do something which is absent reason.
	And so at that point, the reason you have an ecclesiastical authority in your Catholic church is so that you can go to them and get aid in those situations.
	That's literally what it's there for: the knowledge that there could be a component in a relationship where one person makes such a demand, which is a conflict with your faith, and you have an ecclesiastical authority to turn to who can mediate that on your behalf.
	Okay.
	Well, maybe we'll come back to it a bit later.
	I do have to move things on.
	We have a bunch of chats that we have to get to.
	Nala.
	Devon Jackson donated.
	Sorry for the delay, Dave.
	We had to get through it.
	Did you finally get over the cheating kink, Nala?
	I am so happy we get to finally address this.
	So as a viral creator on OnlyFans, like when I was on OnlyFans about eight, nine months ago, I went on so many podcasts because I knew the only way to grow my OnlyFans was to be viral.
	And it's such an oversaturated platform right now.
	And I've been on it for like five and a half years.
	So everything I've said on podcasts is complete clickbait.
	I did it to go viral to then make money.
	And so many people believed it.
	And it worked.
	So that's what's so like crazy about the internet.
	And if you've heard it before, it's very true.
	The internet is not real.
	So like everything I've said, like, oh my God, I love cheating.
	Like, dude, I was so freaking dead single at the time.
	Like, who, who would I have cheated on, bro?
	Like, so for me, I made up this complete character that everyone believed in.
	And everyone was like, I was very controversial to people.
	And I was very, like, some people really, really liked me.
	But at the end of the day, social media is just fake news.
	So I never had a cheating kink.
	I've been single for such a long time, especially when I was on OnlyFans.
	And I said whatever I needed to because I understand the male brain and I needed to make money.
	And I was like, bet.
	But isn't the counter to this position that if you spent that much time lying about that, why should we assume you're not spending time lying about this?
	Because you can, as a Christian, if you doubt me, as a Christian, you should look at the fruits of the spirit.
	And if you really do, like if you can't have an actual conversation with me to see where my focuses lie now, just ask God and look at the fruit of the spirit.
	But if you're an unbeliever, I don't really know what to tell you.
	You can think I'm grifting.
	You can think I'm lying, whatever it is, but you're just going to conceive, like, you're just going to see consistency for the rest of my time on like online.
	Instagram, everything.
	Wait, so you basically, you lied about everything.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	But like, this is the thing.
	Again, so like, what, what on social media is real?
	Like, tell me, what is it?
	Like, people edit their bodies.
	Is that lying?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So people Photoshop.
	Like, what?
	So, like, people can cast doubt on what I say now.
	You're a little more authentic on social media.
	Are you one of those people?
	I try to be.
	I am.
	I tell jokes.
	I mean, I tell jokes, right?
	Things like that.
	But yeah, I think I'm pretty authentic.
	No, I'm not saying that there's not authentic people online.
	I'm just saying the majority of it, like even mainstream media, is lies, like fake news, because like that's what we feed off of.
	So like, I don't know.
	Other than the cheating thing, I can't think of like another lie.
	Like my hair was actually red.
	I did the Ejego face.
	I was a gamer.
	I was a cosplayer.
	Like I worked for five and a half years on OnlyFans.
	Yep.
	Ew.
	Pikachu.
	Okay.
	Here, we've got to get through a bunch of the chats.
	We can come back to some of the OnlyFans stuff.
	We have Graffito tagged.
	Mandy, would you agree that sex addicts, after some amount of time, don't enjoy sex anymore, at least not as much as they used to, but they feel a compulsion to do it anyways, similar to drug addicts?
	Wow.
	I don't know.
	That's a good question, actually.
	I still enjoy it.
	I'll just speak from my experience.
	I still personally enjoy it.
	Enjoy sex.
	Yes, with my boyfriend.
	I have sex with my boyfriend regularly, and we have to.
	Well, what about, I mean, right now you do, but when you were in the depths of your sex addiction, were you enjoying the.
	I think at one point it got, it did get to a point where I wasn't enjoying it, and I was just doing it to kind of, yeah, like similar to drug addicts.
	It was kind of like numbing the pain, you know, because it does release like endorphins and all that stuff.
	So it's very similar to drugs.
	What was the going back into the, I mean, you were, was there, you're no longer a sex addict or?
	I mean, I don't, I don't think so.
	I mean, I'm not like online just like scrolling endlessly trying to find people to hook up with.
	So, I mean, I think my relationship helped with that and it helped me see that and get out of that.
	And you're 20, right?
	Yes.
	From what age?
	So wait, you've been in a relationship for two years?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you, is your relationship monogamous?
	Yes.
	Has it been for the entirety of the two years?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you were a sex addict from what age to what age?
	I would say 16 to 18 right before I met my boyfriend.
	Okay.
	And wait, when you met your boyfriend, you were still a sex addict, correct?
	I would say so, yes.
	Okay, were you when you met him, were you sexually involved with other men?
	Once I'm, the day that I met him, I stopped talking to all of the guys I was talking to.
	I liked him so much.
	I was like, this is the one.
	Like, this is the guy I want to be with.
	Okay.
	But you were, there were, like, other guys in the picture.
	You cut them off, but there were other pictures.
	There were.
	Okay.
	What was the scope of the sex addiction?
	Like.
	And I can ask you more specific questions.
	In what way?
	In what way?
	Okay.
	Well, what did it look like?
	For example, in terms of the promiscuity, I mean, people will.
	Well, I mean, I like a drug addict, I would basically do anything to have sex.
	Like, it was my drug, you know?
	I was, like I said, I was going on dating apps at some point.
	I ended up on Grindr because I got banned from all the other apps.
	Because, like I said, I was.
	Wait, were you on dating apps under the age of 18?
	Yes.
	That's why I got banned.
	That's easy.
	Yeah, I know.
	Careful out there, boys.
	I assume you were lying about your age then.
	I was, and then I would, like, I shouldn't even say this, but I'm going to.
	I would, like, on a separate app, tell them how old I actually was so that they wouldn't, like, like, if they did catch a case, I'd be like, I did tell them, which is really manipulative, which I will say is really manipulative and shitty of me.
	Like, I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, yeah, that's okay.
	Like, I totally should have done that because it was fine because I was a sex addict.
	No, that wasn't okay.
	Like, I don't think that was okay.
	Okay.
	And so this started when you were 16, I guess.
	You lost your virginity held?
	16.
	16, okay.
	And so, like, in the if you looked back at the peak of your sex addiction, how many people, how many different people did you have sex with in like a week period?
	Like, the most I had had sex with within a week, or like just generally, like at the peak.
	At the peak?
	At the peak of your sex addiction.
	I would say I would probably sleep with a different guy every night.
	Every night, okay.
	Yeah.
	So like seven guys in a week.
	Okay.
	What about in the month?
	In a month.
	Every single day.
	Was there a month where you had a new guy every single day?
	I would say I would take breaks.
	I wouldn't always do like every single day I need to hook up with a person.
	Sure.
	But in a month, I don't know, probably around the same amount of people.
	I would hit up a lot of the same people.
	Okay.
	And then so did you have ever do more than one guy in a day?
	I maybe did like two or three.
	Two or three?
	Like three's the night.
	At like my peak, yeah, like three in a day.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And would these be one-night stands, or did you have like a roster where you'd like see the same guys?
	I mean, a lot of them were one-night stands, and there were like a lot of ones that I would like see regularly.
	So.
	Okay.
	And you were mostly from dating apps, you said?
	Okay.
	And so, let's see here.
	So what's the most in one week?
	Like maybe 10 guys or something?
	I would say, I would say seven just because like I said, I would hit up a lot of the same people.
	You did have at least one week where there was one guy per day.
	Yes.
	And did you have multiple weeks where it was at least one guy per day?
	Not really.
	A couple weeks, though.
	Maybe.
	Maybe, maybe like spread out, kind of.
	All right.
	And so in a given month, do you have your best month?
	My best sex month.
	Your best month in terms of how many guys you hooked up with?
	I don't really keep track like that.
	You think 20, 30?
	I mean, I started keeping track towards the end.
	Towards the end of the sex addiction.
	Yes, I started keeping track, and I racked up like probably like 20 different names.
	Towards the end.
	Yes.
	This was right before you met your boyfriend.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you have a sense of the total amount?
	Yeah, do you know your body con?
	Like I said, I only got like 20 down.
	I mean, I'm sure you could like think back.
	There's probably some.
	I truly don't know.
	I would say probably 50 to 60 max.
	50 to 60 max.
	Okay.
	Max.
	Like that's yeah.
	50 to 60 max.
	Okay.
	Which is bad, by the way.
	That's not a good thing.
	And then you said three in a day total.
	I mean, maximum, yes.
	Yeah.
	So how would you do that?
	Would it be like a guy comes over, like you schedule them in like 5 p.m., 7 p.m., 9 p.m.?
	Yeah, the calendar.
	Oh, you've done that?
	Oh, God.
	Wait, have you done that?
	You've done it too?
	Yeah, but like, yeah.
	Oh.
	How many guys in a day for you then?
	Three, two.
	Oh, three also.
	Okay.
	Well, for me, it would be like I would hit someone up and then we'd hook up and I would, if I like, if I had the urge kind of to do more, then I would hit someone else up and then it would just kind of, yeah, but that only happened like a few times.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And girls too, or was it just guys?
	I mean, yes, I have done it with girls before.
	Not many, though.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Any threesomes?
	No.
	Orgies, more than threesome?
	Okay.
	So body count 50 to 60?
	I guess.
	Okay.
	Max, yeah.
	I'm actually curious.
	We'll just do the body count question out of the way now.
	What about you?
	13.
	13?
	Yeah.
	But you said you did three in a day?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, was it for OnlyFans?
	No.
	Okay.
	Wait, could I have you tilt your mic down a little bit?
	Let me, Nala, you tilt your mic down too.
	Okay, wait.
	So, wait.
	Same people?
	What do you mean?
	How many in a week?
	How many in a week?
	Different guys in the week?
	Four.
	Four?
	Yeah.
	Month?
	Five.
	Okay.
	Wait, but you said you've been single for five months.
	Okay, so you were in the two-year relationship.
	Okay.
	And was this in Germany when you did the three in a day?
	No, that was here.
	Oh, here in the U.S.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	In Germany, Dad could not have it.
	Okay.
	Here, let me make this easy.
	Okay, so we got the body count.
	Zero.
	Zero.
	A little easier.
	Nala.
	I have no idea.
	Range?
	23, 25.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm married.
	Do you get a pass on married people?
	Not really.
	Okay.
	Under nine.
	Okay.
	So eight.
	What about you?
	Three.
	Three?
	Okay.
	Oh.
	I'm with you, Nala.
	I'm like in my 20s.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the number is.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Sweet.
	We got to get through a couple chats, guys.
	We got quite a few.
	I'm going to let these come in.
	What about you, Andrew?
	Derek.
	I haven't seen you in a long time, dude.
	Glad to see you changed your situation.
	I only hope you can find pure happiness.
	As for the Colombian schools for the other gal, are you sure?
	Are you sure?
	What, like to donate money for the Colombian schools?
	Um, yeah, I feel like a lot of I feel like it's really unlike we have such a privilege here in the U.S. with the amount of schools that we had so much technology and so much stuff, and they don't have half those resources.
	And I think that if people from America go to out to these countries and really like see how it is, um, and I have somebody who takes pictures of them, um, but um, it's my mom's friend's husband, and really see how how it is.
	You get to someone donated $200 and came do not talk about fruits of the spirit if you did not give back all of that money.
	Oh, can I please talk on this?
	Wait, do you still have question really quick?
	Do you still have someone?
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Do you still have your Lamborghini earth?
	No, I don't.
	I sold everything.
	I sold my house.
	I sold my cars.
	I sold all the designer things I had.
	If you wanted to throw the Lambo my way, I'll take a Lambo.
	Yeah, I will also take a Lambo for free.
	So I would love to hit on this topic.
	So many people are like, you're not Christian unless you give back all the money.
	Let me break down the money for you.
	So, number one, I was living in California while I was making this money.
	California taxes are ridiculously insane.
	OnlyFans takes what 20%?
	OnlyFans takes 25% of what you make.
	It didn't matter how much of what I made my gross income.
	That got so my gross income got taxed 25%.
	So 25% of that got taken out.
	Then the tax I pay in California.
	Then the creator people that I was with took 50%.
	The agency took 50% of what I made.
	So you are left with all of that.
	Whatever's left out of all of that tax.
	It's not like I just got $9 million.
	All of that got taxed three ways.
	And then whatever was left got sent to me.
	So, and no, you do not, you are not required.
	And nowhere in the Bible does it say, so there was this one man that Jesus told to sell all his belongings to and follow him.
	There was one man.
	That is not a stipulation for all Christians to sell everything that you have and then go follow Christ.
	If Christ told me to sell everything, which I've already sold everything and follow him, I will.
	However, giving up all your money is not a requirement to be able to follow Christ.
	So if you're not a Christian or you are a Christian and you're saying this, you need to get that out of your head.
	Because if God specifically told me, like reached out and told me, you know what, you need to be homeless in order to follow me, I'd be like, you know what?
	I know you'll provide for me no matter what.
	I'll be homeless.
	But I do not feel called to do that.
	Regardless of that, I have sold everything I own.
	I literally drive a Jeep now and I live in South Carolina.
	So what do you got to say, Andrew?
	I'm really in, like, I'm so intrigued.
	I'm just going to follow up on the super chatter.
	By the way, I mean, I don't even know why you're so hostile with me.
	We haven't even really disagreed about anything most of the night.
	Most of the night.
	No, no, no.
	No, absolutely.
	But my thing with you is that like how not even degrading, but like when I came on last, you were so hostile towards me and what I did.
	And there was no love in your heart from me.
	That was good.
	So as a Christian, you think it's okay.
	You were a lying, deceiving prostitute.
	And you're like, Andrew, why weren't you just dice?
	Like, what are you talking about?
	Good.
	I have a question.
	Jesus or something.
	By your own invention.
	And Jesus got unbased and washed his feet.
	Deceiving, deceitful, satanic prostitute by your own invention.
	Satanic.
	Satanic?
	Wow, that's a new one.
	Hang on, Aunt Nala.
	You told me.
	Yes, Andrew.
	You told me that you had faith in Jesus Christ then, that your parents were pastors, that you had faith then.
	You're getting it wrong already.
	So to unmisquote.
	You were going to do it.
	You can play the quote.
	You can play the clip if you want.
	Let me finish and you can respond.
	Okay, you said even then that you knew the truth, but you turned away anyway, okay, so that you could basically make money.
	Now, you say now, okay, well, listen, that was all a character.
	I'm willing to believe that.
	I wasn't willing, I didn't ever say that you weren't playing a character.
	I'm willing to totally and completely believe you, okay?
	But based, I can, there's no way for me to determine that.
	I can only determine things based on what you say.
	Do you say to me, Well, I'm a degenerate prostitute who lies about everything, right?
	And it's like, okay, what did you want me to say to that?
	Like, what would you, what, what, what would you have wanted me to say?
	So, number one, you completely misquoted me.
	I never once said back then that I lied.
	Number two, I never said that I knew what to do and knew how to follow Christ.
	I said that I was hurt by the church.
	I said that my dad was a pastor five years before I started OnlyFans.
	So, there's the clarification on that.
	I was hurt by the church.
	I adventured new.
	Can you play the clip?
	Because this is crap.
	I recently watched the clip.
	Did you say that your dad taught you to pastor when you're 18 years old?
	Yeah, I remember the clip.
	And I wasn't on OnlyFans.
	You said that I was a bad father because I would disown, unlike your father, right?
	Because I would disown my child based on some language.
	I'm not saying you as a father should condone what your kid was doing on OnlyFans.
	But you keep interrupting what I have to say.
	So it's like I won't interrupt you.
	Okay, so just listen to what I'm saying.
	You literally made this comparison.
	You said, you're a bad father if you do A, B, C, and D.
	I said, does your father know you do OnlyFans?
	You said yes, and he's fine with it because you take care of him, right?
	That's what you told me.
	Oh, absolutely.
	That your father was fine with you doing OnlyFans.
	So is that a lie?
	No, no, no.
	Listen, listen.
	I don't think as a father you should disown your kid because of what they turn out to be.
	That's not their real life plan.
	Do you think I wanted to be on OnlyFans the rest of my life?
	Absolutely.
	Once again, interrupting me, like I just said.
	So if you want me to finish my statement and respect me as an adult, that would be great.
	So anyway, my dad accepted me as his daughter.
	Yes, I was supporting him financially.
	Was that right that he told me and actually was like encouraging me to stay on OnlyFans?
	Absolutely not.
	I was saying it was wrong for you to disown your child just because of their life choices.
	You said that you would literally stop talking to them.
	And how right is that as a father to guide your child when the Bible literally says train up a child in the way that they should go?
	But you said if your daughter did OnlyFans, you would completely disown her.
	So how is what you would do biblical?
	I'm going to explain.
	It's called consequences.
	And there's always consequences.
	If you look at, for instance, the prodigal son, the prodigal son had to come back home and humble themselves, humble themselves after they came back home after they squandered their entire fortune.
	That's what they had to do.
	Okay, so the thing is, is like for you to say that if somebody is doing something that is horrific or satanic or something like this, that I have to allow them what in my home?
	Do I need to allow them around my family?
	What do I need to do to capitulate to them, Nala, which would make me a good father in no way, shape, or form?
	Let them experience the consequences of their own actions because that's what a good father does.
	A good father completely disowns their child, as in like, stop speaking to them.
	I never once said that you had to let your daughter into your home, that demonic spirit into your home.
	But what about praying for them, sending them Bible verses, regardless of what they believe in?
	That is honestly what saved me.
	So you disowning your kid could actually have detrimental.
	Bible verses saved you?
	No.
	I said that my husband sent me Bible verses.
	Can I interject?
	Go ahead, quick.
	So when it happened to Mary Magdalene, right, and she was a prostitute and they were about to stone her, what did Jesus say?
	Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.
	Okay.
	Is that fake news?
	Totally fake news.
	Fake news.
	Okay.
	McClinton is not a prostitute.
	When they were going to stone herself, people can't come up with this.
	Okay.
	Mary Magdalene.
	Next question.
	When it came to the prostitute and they stoned her, what did Jesus say?
	He said, let he who's without sin cast the first stone.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So she's basically saying, like, who are you to cast a stone on someone like?
	Who are you to judge her?
	Because we all have original sins.
	Wait, wait, stop.
	Righteous judgment is an actual biblical judgment.
	First of all, I'm not judging her, right?
	We're going over a previous conversation where I now have been told that everything she told me in that conversation essentially cannot be trusted because she was a pathological liar at the time because she was playing a character.
	Now, that's what she just said to me.
	Dude, I was literally dressed in a Spider-Man outfit.
	I haven't even believed that.
	I haven't even gotten to that.
	That says a lot about you.
	We haven't even gotten to any judgment yet.
	Right now, we're just talking about the facts of the matter.
	There hasn't even been any judgment.
	And three, it's perfectly acceptable for Christians to judge where this idea came from that Christians can't make judgments, especially value judgments.
	We make them all the time.
	Otherwise, how would you even know who was walking down the wrong path, who needed salvation, who did?
	How would you know any of these things if you couldn't make value judgments?
	You couldn't.
	Righteous judgment has to do with coming out of love from your heart.
	In no way, shape, or form does whatever you have to say to me from the day I was dressed in a Spider-Man costume to right now have any love in your heart.
	You're just condemning, condemning.
	Oh, you know my heart?
	You know my heart?
	I don't.
	I really don't.
	Yeah, well, then why would you make the accusation of condemnation?
	All I did was repeat back to you what you said to me.
	I never once said I was demonic.
	You were lying about everything, and all I'm doing is trying to get clarity.
	Lying about being a character on social media.
	You're offended that I literally spoke the truth about, like, you really think that social media is real?
	Like, please tell me that's not true.
	What do you mean?
	Listen.
	Because I said that I was lying about what I put on social media.
	Why are you pivoting?
	Pivoting off of what?
	This is a big part of the topic.
	Listen, all we were discussing right now was that when we had a previous conversation on the whatever podcast, by your own admission, everything you said to me potentially was a lie.
	About everything you said.
	Stop.
	Nala.
	Just let me finish and then I'll let you talk.
	Okay.
	Perhaps not everything you said to me was a lie.
	Perhaps not everything you said to me was a lie.
	But by your own admission, if you're playing a character and I shouldn't trust anything you say, then I assume everything you told me was a lie until I get it clarified.
	Otherwise, all I've been doing is just asking you clarification questions.
	You have been spurking out and upset because you feel like it's condemnation.
	I haven't condemned you for anything.
	We've just barely even started having a conversation.
	I called you a Satanist.
	You literally called me a Satanist.
	In no way, shape, or form was I a prostitution.
	I mean, okay, so I understand that showing your body online is like selling yourself.
	Understood.
	But in no way, shape, prostitute, or form.
	What are you talking about?
	Did I not just admit that?
	Like, what do you have a problem with?
	By any metric, that's prostitution.
	What are you talking about?
	Okay, but like by standards, prostituting is literally standing on the side of the road, getting into people's cars and having sex with them.
	No, that's a hooker.
	What is a prostitute?
	Is it not a prostitute?
	That's a CC.
	Where are you, bro, in your mind?
	That's called hooking because you're trying to hook somebody to be a job.
	No shot, bro.
	Didn't you just say that?
	Yeah, what is a prostitute?
	A prostitute is someone who goes and stands on the side of the road, gets into somebody's car, and has sex with them for money.
	That is called a prostitute.
	Somebody's at the bunny ranch.
	They're not prostitutes.
	Can you Google it?
	Andrew, can you Google it?
	I don't have my phone.
	As long as they go into a hotel room and there's a camera, it's no longer prostitution.
	It's any job that sells sex.
	That's money.
	What is the criteria for prostitution?
	I'm not saying that I wasn't prostituting myself at all, but like you're defining it in a manner where I'm literally going to people's houses, grabbing money from them and having sex with them.
	But yes, what I was doing was very sinful.
	And yes, in a manner, prostituting myself.
	It was literally prostituting.
	But in no way, shape, or form was I'm like, oh, I'm a demonic person and I like take pride in that.
	Like, where did you get that from?
	Okay, that's not what I said.
	I said what you were doing was satanic.
	How is it satanic?
	Hold on.
	To engage in prostitution.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Where's that?
	I need a Bible.
	Some of the chats are going to, I promise, we'll get each of the passages.
	Or what Bible are you reading?
	The message?
	Why will you?
	I will let you guys get right back to this exact conversation, but just because a couple are going to fall off, I just have to read some of the other chats that came through.
	We'll get right back to it.
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	Thank you, Sage Vanderlyn.
	Appreciate the message.
	We have Lucas.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	I appreciate your lofty ambitions.
	This is, by the way, some of these came in like a while ago, so they could be related to previous convo.
	You do realize that don't grow on trees.
	Look, I'm a partner at an NYC Amlaw 100 firm.
	Oh, you're a lawyer.
	We should talk.
	I got some legal stuff.
	I don't make anything close to $5 million a year.
	You may want to recalibrate a bit.
	Okay.
	Response there or anything?
	I mean, okay.
	Like, honestly, I'm open for suggestions.
	Whatever.
	Maybe like come on down to like 50K.
	That might be more.
	No.
	All right.
	We'll come back to the five mil thing later, though.
	No.
	Lucas, again, oh, you expect that 1% man to raise someone else's child.
	Plus, and I do preemptively apologize, but you could stand to lose a few.
	Not my don't shoot the messenger.
	Brian, me thinks time for the delusion calculator.
	Yeah, let's do the delusion calculator super quick.
	Pull that up.
	Can I mention something?
	Wait, can I mention something to that comment?
	What's that?
	I'd like to finish our conversation.
	I need to get through.
	We'll come right back to it.
	Can I mention something?
	Well, she wants to mention something about that.
	About what?
	About what, just the comment, and then I want to mention something about the comment.
	Okay.
	I'm really big that I don't need a man to raise my child.
	I don't, I'm not looking for a father for my child.
	She has enough father figures.
	Okay.
	So I'm not asking for someone to raise her.
	And then the other thing is that I am on a weight loss journey.
	I lost 45 pounds for the PCOS and postpartum.
	I gained over 100 pounds.
	I used to be this skinny.
	So I understand.
	I've been working on it.
	And so 45 pounds is really hard to lose.
	And I lost it in like four or five months.
	So, and with my medication and everything.
	So yeah, I know.
	I'm losing weight.
	I'm going back.
	It's okay.
	Okay.
	And I feel like we don't need to keep attacking her for a weight because she mentioned that she's PCOS.
	I have it too, but everyone carries it differently and deals with it differently.
	Mine's more like chemical reactions in my body and biochemistry, whatever.
	And she just shows it differently than I do, but that doesn't mean you can keep attacking her for that because everyone is struggling with something and struggling with their weight somehow.
	And she gave birth to a baby who's living on this earth and she kept that baby and she's raised on her own.
	So I feel like we don't need to attack her for her weight.
	But I think, so I don't think they're trying to intentionally be mean.
	I think when they're talking about the weight thing, so like I'm sure we can all agree here that physical appearance, physical attraction, very important when it comes to being able to get a partner.
	Yeah, for me.
	Like, and typically, at least the standard in, I mean, pretty much every single country I can think of, standard is people prefer and are more attracted to people who are within a certain body fat percentage, who are physically fit, etc.
	And people who are more in line with what is deemed physically attractive, either societally or, you know, just on the pure base evolutionary biological level.
	Yeah.
	If you're more physically attractive, you're going to have more negotiating power or negotiating leverage when it comes to being able to secure a partner.
	And so, you know, I think the criticism is coming from, well, based on this metric, when it comes to physical appearance, you're lacking in this regard, ergo.
	It's going to be you have less negotiating leverage to be able to actually secure a guy who makes $5 million a year.
	Yeah, I'm not really offended about the weight jokes.
	I cried about it when I got pregnant after postpartum.
	I cried about it.
	I was upset.
	I'm okay.
	Sure.
	Okay, we have Durundahls here.
	Nala, wipe that smug grin off your face.
	Selling things isn't giving up all of your money.
	You still have the money.
	Quick response to that.
	Quick response.
	I have a few more.
	Let's.
	Honestly, what makes you think I've, are you in my bank account?
	Do you know anything about my life now?
	No, absolutely not.
	So like the year that I got off, so in 2023, that was my last physical year for OnlyFans.
	So I had to pay over $300,000 to the IRS for that when I had already started the new year off of OnlyFans.
	So now I'm making no money and then had to pay $300,000 to that.
	So it's not like I wasn't smart and didn't put stuff away, but again, that's still coming out of my pocket.
	So I don't know where this thought of people thinking like, oh my God, you literally walked away with millions of dollars, but I really didn't.
	Like when you live in California, you'll understand how much tax like California actually takes, just the state tax alone is ridiculous.
	So hope that answered your question.
	All right, one sec here, guys.
	We have two super chats and I'll let you guys get back to the convo at hand.
	Also, kind of while we're doing this, the pizza has arrived a bit early.
	So we're going to do a pizza intermission.
	It's going to be just to keep the show moving.
	It is a little higher than usual.
	We're going to do a $69 TTS during this pizza intermission.
	We'll allow Andrew and Nala to have the back and forth.
	I have two super chats here.
	Pelagic.
	Daddy is loaded.
	Not her.
	She needs the other guy's money.
	Daddy ain't giving her anything right now.
	This is to you.
	Quick response.
	Honestly, you don't know my life and you don't know how much tax we pay and stuff.
	And I don't need the guy's money.
	And so I don't really freaking care for it.
	But if you don't care, why the need for the $5 million?
	That's caused by the pain, again, and the hurt that I've been through and the use and abuse.
	It's just to get on the same kind of level.
	So you think a rich guy is going to abuse you less than a guy that has like a business?
	I'M SORRY, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THIS? NO, I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE ANTIDOTE OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS WITH MY EX.
	We'll get into the details.
	Yeah, then that will clear everything up for me.
	It doesn't have to do with the money law.
	It's like what I want to do.
	Yeah, it basically has nothing to do with the money.
	The money will not be available.
	So we have Pelagic here.
	Thank you, Pelagic, for the super chat.
	Really appreciate it.
	This future guy is screwed.
	Andrew's spot on.
	Pure punishment.
	This is still directed towards you.
	Okay, this is from a while ago.
	Who really cares?
	Pelagic, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Very much appreciated.
	And then we do have a message here really quick from Trash Panda.
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	No man cares why.
	Nala, you are demonic.
	Damn, bro.
	We all can see it in your eyes.
	Shit.
	I think demonstration is a bit more.
	God damn.
	All right.
	Calm down, bro.
	Okay, come on.
	All right, so who wants pizza?
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	Andrew drinking the champagne of beers.
	That's the epitome of a true virtuous and respectable TTS.
	Champagne of beers.
	Pizza intermission.
	Get it.
	Whatever.
	All right, go ahead.
	All right.
	So, anyway, maybe we can get back to this conversation without it being quite so hostile.
	Well, listen, you start calling me names, and then you expect me to be what, like a quiet little lady at one time?
	I didn't call you any names.
	Did he not call him demonic?
	Come on, Andrew.
	You're better than this.
	You're better than this.
	What you were doing was prostitution and demonic, yes.
	That's correct.
	In your opinion, I understand.
	Don't you stand by that?
	Stand by what?
	You calling me names?
	No.
	For your righteous judgment.
	That what you were doing was prostitution.
	Do you not think that righteous anger is also in the Bible?
	So you think you're being like righteous by judging me.
	To be short, what I was doing was very sinful and of the devil.
	I didn't say I was demonic or I helped devil.
	My question was, was it prostitution and was it demonic?
	How did I not answer that question?
	Well, did I not answer it correctly enough really?
	Do you think it was or no, it was not prostitution?
	Let's start with that.
	Yes, it was online prostitution.
	Okay, great.
	And then to question two, now that that's clarified, you don't think that it was demonic to do that sort of online prostitution?
	I think any sin is demonic.
	All sin is demonic.
	There's no multitudes.
	You can't make it.
	You can't make choices to sin external to demonic.
	Well, everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but people can be forgiven and can change.
	And all that has changed since last time she was on the other side.
	Only question that I just asked was prostitution demonic?
	Sin absent the demonic.
	Yes.
	Yes, thank you.
	So anyways, in what case, explain.
	Please explain.
	Elaborate.
	Does it require demons to tell you to do something sinful for you to do it?
	I think that the demons can put thoughts in your head and then you act on it.
	I agree.
	They can't necessarily make you do it.
	So why wouldn't sin be demonic?
	Why would you sin absent demonic?
	Absent the demonic.
	Yeah.
	You know, I don't know if I agree or disagree with that.
	I can't say a yes or no.
	I just think that demons rule the earth right now, just like Satan walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour, and that Satan is the prince of the powers of the air.
	So everything doing during, like, anything dealing with sin is demonic.
	It is not of God.
	It separates you from God.
	So I think it all, it has to be demonic.
	You're confusing.
	There's two issues here which are being confused.
	The first issue is that to sin, right?
	Could that be, I don't know, helpful to the demonic or something like this?
	Sure.
	My ask is, can you sin absent a demonic entity telling you to sin?
	Because I don't understand how you can have free will if you can't.
	Well, like, look, think about the first sin.
	Eve ate the fruit because she was influenced by what?
	A demon, a spirit?
	So, if like if that didn't happen, you know what I'm saying?
	So, no, I don't think you can sin outside of demonic people.
	Who influenced Cain to kill Abel then?
	Demons?
	No, that's which, no, no demons.
	That was free will.
	So, where did he get the thought in his head?
	Jealousy is what, not of God.
	Cain out of jealousy.
	You have free will.
	You have no idea.
	No, you absolutely have free will.
	Then, if you have free will, how could you not have the free will to sin absent the demonic?
	But I mean, even going down to the first sin in the Bible, like that was demonic influence.
	What about the second sin?
	There was no serpent who influenced Cain.
	I don't know.
	Just because the Bible doesn't say specifically that a demon told him to do something doesn't mean it didn't come from a demon.
	Yeah, but okay, so in this case, then you're saying that people don't have free will because because they did not choose to choose to sin, only demons can influence them to do so.
	Well, look at the world that we live in.
	Like, it's literally Satan's world.
	Yeah, nobody disputes that, but that doesn't mean it requires a demonic for you to sin.
	I don't know.
	So, what are your parameters for your answer then?
	Well, I don't think evil has ontology, meaning I think that evil is just absence of God.
	It is an absence of God's will.
	So, then evil itself has no ontology.
	There is nothing which is evil.
	It's just absence of God.
	Anything like that would be evil, right?
	Right.
	But think about it, like, if you have the decision to make to make choices of free will, then you could make a free decision to absent yourself from God, absent the demonic.
	Yeah?
	I can see that point of view, but I don't necessarily agree with it just yet because I haven't done enough, I'd say, research on the topic.
	So, I don't know.
	Well, I really don't know if I agree with you completely.
	It's just logic.
	If you have then you have to have the free will to sin.
	We all absolutely have the free will to do whatever we want, but to sin is to depart from Christ.
	So, what is that?
	That is Satan, literally.
	And we're okay.
	Well, then, following that logic, when you departed from Christ and were doing sex work, was that Satan?
	I think it's Satan's influence, absolutely.
	Well, then it was demonic by your own admission, correct?
	Demonic, yes, but I didn't ever say I was demon-possessed.
	Well, then, I wasn't making accusations towards you.
	I was stating simple facts.
	Stating that I was demon-possessed, yes, that's an accusation that was not true.
	I didn't accuse you of being demonically possessed.
	I don't think you said that you're demon-possessed.
	I just that never that literally never happened.
	All I did was say that what you were doing was prostitution and demonic, and now we've gotten to the heart of it, and you agree, right?
	I agree.
	Now, I'll tell you a quick story so that you understand that I'm not really here to be your nemesis, though I will hold you to the fire.
	I think that that's fair.
	I think that you should hold me accountable to the things that I say.
	Absolutely.
	I was on a panel after your conversion happened with Pearl Davis.
	Oh, I heard it, and that's why I feel as though.
	I was the only dissenter.
	I was the only one who said, no, you need to give her.
	I understand why people don't believe her, but you need to give it time.
	And by the way, it's still better than the alternative.
	The only person who said that was me.
	The alternative being what?
	What's the alternative?
	Just accept me.
	What's the alternative?
	What's the only one who didn't?
	What's that?
	What's the alternative?
	Sex work.
	So even if you had, even if the entire thing, so here was my argument.
	Even if the entire thing wasn't a grift, a new grift, right?
	Let's just say, like, hypothetically, that would still be superior to the sex work grift.
	That was my argument back.
	So no matter what, basically, it's still better than the alternative.
	Yes.
	That was my argument.
	Absolutely.
	But never once did I say, even in our last podcast together, that I followed Christ.
	I said that I was a churchgoer and that I was a pastor's kid and that I'd been to church multiple times, but that it had hurt me enough to turn away from because I thought that's what was Christian like that was Christianity.
	So when we were in a heated exchange, and I may have misspoke there, right?
	I'm not trying to strawman you.
	I was paraphrasing.
	I just think as a Christian, like, you know what's crazy?
	During my whole, during this time of coming to Christ and getting rid of my OnlyFans, getting rid of all the explicit content off of my, all of my socials, even deleting my Twitter, changing my entire wardrobe out, throwing away all the immodest clothes, like all of that.
	Through all that change, the biggest people who have come against me are Christians because they don't want to believe that God's power is strong enough to save somebody like me.
	But when you actually read the Bible, you'll literally see, you'll literally see that God used the absolute like misled worse people like to literally.
	Let me say the other side of the argument here real quick.
	I understand because I get mercilessly attacked by people you would call Christians all the time, probably just as bad as you do, just in a different way.
	But let me represent the other side here.
	The church has been completely and totally infiltrated with non-Christian sex workers who basically use the idea of the shield of Christ as a shield against criticism.
	They use it as a shield against criticism.
	I've now been reborn.
	I now am no longer sinful.
	And now you can no longer criticize me.
	Interestingly enough, this seems, I'm just going to explain the position.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	I'm not saying I take the position.
	I'm just explaining it to you.
	So because that, now that is true, tons and tons of sex workers reform generally around the same age that, well, the revenue starts to decrease because they're not really kind of young and hot anymore.
	They're not quite post-wall, but they're getting there.
	And, you know, most men don't want to marry former sex workers.
	That's the truth.
	However, they do move into these Christian circles hoping that they'll kind of find those men who say, okay, well, she's born again and this and that.
	And they use it as a shield from criticism rather than what it's supposed to be, which is a place for you to repent.
	Now, to explain this further, and then I'll let you respond.
	We have a saint, right?
	Saint Mary, who was a prostitute.
	And she spent her entire life in repentance, her whole life in repentance, because of basically the sex work that she did.
	The idea there was just to say that her job was to be humble to the church, humble to the community, servant to the community, not to use the community as a shield for her.
	That's why she went into being a rape loose because she was afraid that that's what would happen.
	At least that's the writings that I've read about it.
	So I'm not saying you have to do that, by the way.
	I'm giving you the position that so many women use Christianity as a shield from criticism who were sex workers.
	And that's the only reason they move towards it, not because they're going there in repentance and in faith and they're going to spend their entire life making it right.
	That's not.
	Is church not made up of sinners?
	What's that?
	Is church not made up of sinners?
	Of course it is.
	So I don't understand your point.
	And also, didn't you say Mary wasn't a prostitute?
	Are you speaking to Mary Magdalene or is this a different Mary?
	St. Mary, Saint Mary.
	Okay, I don't know.
	I'm not Catholic at all.
	I'm just non-damaging.
	I'm just explaining.
	I'm just explaining the counterposition so that you understand.
	Also, what's crazy is I actually haven't seen, outside of my circle and what I've seen on the internet, I've seen two other women get off of OnlyFans.
	And what's crazy is like they reached out to me first and asked me how I got off of OnlyFans and what really changed in my life with Christ.
	So I sent them my podcast with Michael Knowles.
	And I was like, if you have any further questions, please ask me because I broke it down really well in that podcast.
	You know, like I'm sorry, Egypt.
	It's not Damascus, Egypt.
	My bad.
	St. Mary of Egypt.
	But anyway.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	So outside of my circle, you're saying there's so many women in the industry doing this, but outside of my circle, I've seen two other women do this, like get baptized, completely reform their life.
	We see it every day, right?
	So inside of conservative circles, because we're battling constantly with degenerates everywhere, we see this happen quite often.
	So do you feel like it's your role to what exactly with them?
	Just like righteously judge them no matter what, or actually to love them.
	I think that truth.
	I'm not saying you just have to be fully accepting of exactly who they are in that moment, but you need to understand that Christ can move in someone's life so quickly and that fire reforms you from Christ so deeply that you have to make the change.
	Like nothing, there is no other option that you feel like I'm disputing that.
	I'm disputing that.
	Because from you, like this is what I'm hearing.
	Like you want to righteously judge me, but in what way exactly?
	What way do you feel like?
	I gave you the counter position so that you understood it.
	That's it.
	That's all I did.
	Just that women coming out of the industry are going into the conservative Christian groups and being what, like praised for it?
	No.
	Well, it's worse.
	So let me explain a little more in depth so that you understand.
	You would agree with me that a woman can, for instance, who's a sex worker, can play a character, and the entire time she's playing that character, lie about it.
	Right?
	You agree that that's true?
	Absolutely.
	Why couldn't they do that in a church?
	No, they absolutely could.
	But as a Christian from that church, it is your job to, yes, if they are doing something wrong, and if you see that they're doing something wrong, then you can righteously come to them and be like, listen, you are not doing this right.
	The Bible says to come to a brother, like brotherly love.
	You need to come to them and explain what they're doing wrong.
	However, like the way you're coming at me just seems like I'm being called names to make yourself feel better about you thinking that I just lied about everything.
	And then you're being like, well, now how can I believe you?
	But if you're a real Christian, you'd understand that if you were a real Christian.
	I'm not expensive here.
	I haven't called you any names and I have not.
	I have not in any way made any accusations.
	I'm giving you the counter position.
	I'm confused.
	Did you not hear yourself in the beginning or are we having a different discussion?
	No, I heard myself fine.
	What did I accuse you of?
	What are you saying I accused of?
	Being demonic, being a prostitute, lying.
	Being a pathological liar was your one.
	I agree with all of that.
	There's no accusation there.
	It's a statement of fact.
	I never agreed to being a pathological liar in life.
	I just said that what I was doing at the time was lying about loving cheating.
	Yes.
	I didn't say that you said you were a pathological liar in life.
	Yes, you did.
	Speak up, ladies.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I didn't.
	You said you're replacing her, though.
	You see my issue with Christians now.
	They're like this.
	You're never going to be able to gaslight me ever in a million years.
	I'm very curious about it.
	He's gaslighting dead.
	He's gaslighting you.
	You are legit.
	You're not going to die, definitely.
	No, shot.
	I'm so glad this is going on the internet.
	You say, you say, I spent the entire time as a Greenfield lie.
	I pointed that out.
	Nothing more.
	What, that I was a pathological liar?
	Everyone around this table heard it.
	And how many 10,000 people on live heard it?
	That is pathological.
	That doesn't mean you're not.
	Saying that I lied, but you said I was a pathological liar.
	I did not.
	You just said in life that you added a qualifier.
	So when you say you're a pathological person, the question was regarding my last podcast.
	You said I'm a pathological liar in life.
	That was not my question.
	I never said that in life I was a pathological liar.
	Just lied about the cheating part.
	He said I accused you of being.
	Speak it out louder because she said that she just lied about the cheating part so she get more views, get more money for her OnlyFans and create content because media is fake nowadays.
	You do clickbaits all the time.
	All the time.
	Family channels on YouTube, they do clickbaits all the time.
	This is a lie.
	So what she actually said was that everything I said when I was doing that, you should dismiss everything.
	Brian asked for clarification.
	We were talking about the podcast.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	So Brian asked for clarification.
	So you're lying about everything.
	She responds, yes.
	Shouldn't believe anything.
	I never said you shouldn't believe anything.
	I just said you shouldn't believe what's going on on social media and mainstream media.
	We were talking about the podcast.
	Remember me in the Spider-Man outfit?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You were sitting right there.
	I was sitting right here.
	So that was a lie.
	I was talking about the cheating.
	We addressed that topic specifically through a comment.
	That's what I was lying about.
	And then did I say that I was a pathogenic Elijah that in life?
	Absolutely not.
	Thank you.
	If you say you're playing a character, you're lying, right?
	I was dressed up in a Spider-Man outfit.
	Yeah, so if you're playing a character, I'm not supposed to take seriously anything you say, right?
	Guys, look, I'll let you guys get back to it, but I want to try to bring some other people into the conversation.
	Thank you, ladies, though.
	We got your back.
	We got her back.
	Time permitting at the end, maybe, or at some point a little bit later on, we can revisit it.
	She's boys out there.
	I'm going to let the chats come through, guys, so we got some chats while we did the little pizza session.
	Yeah, hang on, hang on.
	I just want to point something out.
	Okay, wait, I'll let this come in.
	I'll let it come in, then you can finish.
	Last time I came here, I learned most people do not understand the meaning of the word depreciation.
	This time, I do not appear to have learned anything.
	Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for this experience.
	General Jackie.
	Thank you to the Christians at the back who are kind of enforcing the sisterhood.
	That Nala, right, told you that she does not consider Jesus Christ to be divine.
	I do.
	I never do.
	I consider the Trinity that Jesus Christ is God.
	That is part of the Trinity.
	They are one.
	So do you.
	Absolutely.
	She refutes this.
	She refutes that Jesus Christ is God.
	I absolutely did not.
	I said God is in heaven on his throne.
	And then I said Jesus is on his right hand.
	If you read the Bible, Andrew, you absolutely see this.
	The Holy Spirit, God, and Jesus are three and one.
	They are three and one, but they're still three individuals.
	Yeah, but seriously one God.
	They're three distinct persons.
	Hang on, if there's one, if there's three, they are three distinct persons, but they are one.
	Jesus would be what?
	What would be the entailment of that be?
	Dude, they're one, but they are all separate parts.
	Of course.
	Because, dude, when God was in heaven, he sent his son to earth.
	So how could God come to earth and die on the cross for him as sins?
	When Jesus in the garden before he was killed, he was praying to his father in heaven.
	Oh, then they're different entities?
	They are three different, separate parts, but they are still one.
	I'm not denying the Trinity.
	I fully believe in the Trinity.
	Well, here's the issue.
	Are you non-denominational?
	Yes.
	I am too.
	You're a Catholic, right, Andrew?
	No, I'm an Orthodox.
	You're Orthodox?
	Sorry.
	So everyone in Christianity believes in different parts of the Trinity, and it's so hard to debate because everyone's coming from their own point of view.
	Like, I completely agree with Nala.
	That's how I was raised.
	I was raised Catholic when I was little.
	Then we left that part of the faith and went to non-denominational.
	But the thing is, it's hard to debate this because everyone has a different perspective on it, the way that we were raised in school, Bible.
	And I completely agree with Nala.
	You don't think everyone has God sent his only begotten Son and die on the cross for our sins?
	who believes in him will have eternal life.
	God was still, remember Jesus cried out to God on the cross.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	How would he cry out to himself?
	Because they are three in one.
	It's the Trinity.
	I believe in their saying.
	And then it said God turned his back on Jesus in the garden because this had to be done.
	So, how are they, like, again, like, she said a perfect point.
	Jesus did not pray to himself and be like, let this pass.
	He prayed to his father in heaven.
	That's what I learned.
	That's why I learned that.
	Okay, I learned that.
	So hang on.
	Now, if you stop spurging, I can answer to this.
	I think I can be spontaneous about being like directed in a wrong way.
	Of course not.
	Of course not.
	I can't answer.
	You guys need to make your final question.
	Here's the mumbling grass.
	We made our point.
	And we made our answer back in here.
	Can I say something?
	Do you recognize this saying?
	On the cross, Jesus died and went down to hell.
	On the third day, he rose again and joined his father at the right hand of God.
	Have you heard that?
	Have I heard what?
	On the third day.
	I didn't hear what you said.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead again.
	Okay.
	Jesus died on the cross and went down to hell.
	On the third day, he rose again and joined his father at the right hand of God.
	And this has what to do with what?
	This is proving that, okay, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God.
	There are three distinct persons who are truly yet mysteriously one God.
	This is a Westminster shorter catechism.
	I don't know if you know of this.
	Are they three different things?
	There are three distinct persons.
	They have three.
	They're truly yet mysteriously one God.
	You have to calm down so I can respond.
	You just keep interrupting.
	That's still let me talk.
	That's fine.
	It is fine.
	That's fine.
	I mean, I don't know why you guys would filibuster, though.
	I thought you wanted the answer.
	So I agree with you.
	I don't agree with you.
	So, like, your answer is like, I just said the words, I agree with you.
	Do you know what those words mean, Nala?
	Wow.
	So I agree with you that there are three persons.
	She said three parts.
	Three parts.
	Do you think it's three parts?
	It's three distinct beings.
	Who are truly and mysteriously one God?
	I'm asking about the.
	I'll lose it, bro.
	Nala says it's three parts.
	Yeah?
	I said they are three parts, but they are one.
	Do you agree that it's three parts?
	Okay, three parts of one Godhead.
	Do you agree with that?
	Yes.
	Yeah, there's three distinct beings.
	Yes.
	Yes, we're all.
	I count three heretics in one whatever studio.
	I count one Pharisee online.
	That's drinking beer in order to speak to us.
	Thank you.
	Literally, nobody would ever agree with you in the heresy of the three-part argument.
	I don't understand.
	I don't know why you don't understand that.
	What is your thinking?
	What is your trinity?
	What is your Trinity?
	Educators.
	It's Him Himself and Him.
	What is your Trinity?
	The Holy Spirit, and they're all one.
	Holy shit.
	Listen.
	And cussing.
	Wow.
	See how I have one earpiece?
	I don't have three earpieces.
	I have one earpiece.
	And so what happens is if you talk and you talk and you talk, you guys cancel each other out.
	Okay, that's true.
	I'm not in the studio.
	What is your Trinity?
	Okay, great.
	So you have three persons.
	You would agree with this, correct?
	Not three parts?
	There's really no difference.
	There's just different words.
	There's no difference.
	There's no difference.
	Why is a part different?
	Why is a part different than a being?
	Because this is one entity, three persons.
	Sassin's energy distinction.
	That's where it comes from.
	I can't tell if we're actually agreeing on the same topic or not because you see that my word part is different from person.
	So I feel you.
	I feel like I could explain this to you guys, right?
	We could walk through it a step at a time, but you couldn't spurt the fuck out every time we started.
	Why are you like claiming to be a Christian and just cussing constantly?
	If I can add something.
	No, it's not the topic.
	We got to just.
	All right.
	Twitch TOS is going to fuck us on the.
	If I could add something, I think you guys are all kind of saying the same thing, just in a different way.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	And I also feel like I do have to bring it back.
	Okay.
	I allowed the Christian theology conversation to go.
	I'm not even Christian, so I think your perspective is really important because you're like the outside source in the situation.
	I'm like a mediator.
	I know you are.
	You are.
	We need that.
	The ref.
	Yes, the ref.
	All right.
	I got moving on.
	A bunch of chats are going to come.
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	Baby girl, pay no attention to these other 304s.
	Put your feet up on the table and let me see them grippers.
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	I will keep you warm, BBG.
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	Actually, no, I'm not sorry.
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	Girls, stop running to religion if you aren't believing Andrew.
	It's okay to not have his views.
	Women can do a lot, and as a woman, Andrew, you're welcome for my service.
	Hashtag DD214.
	Is that a bra size or?
	No.
	Not sure why I don't know.
	The thing is, is like I don't actually even understand Andrew's views.
	Like, I couldn't even tell you what he believes in.
	You guys can talk about your favorite stop.
	Why are she saying you guys?
	No, I've given you plenty of time to talk.
	I've given you plenty of time to talk.
	All right, we have Pelagic here.
	Defensiveness, Deflection, and Projection.
	It really exposes you, Nala, from Pelagic.
	Thank you for the soup chat.
	Quick response, Nala.
	Hi.
	Keep watching.
	All right.
	Make that bank.
	I have a question.
	Quick, though.
	Please.
	There's a lot to get.
	Yeah, I'll just make it really quick.
	Is the only thing you disagree with Nala on is that she says parts instead of persons?
	I think that Nala's engaging in Nestorianism for a form of heresy.
	And unless I can do a Socratic internal critique to understand where she's coming from, I can't really explain it.
	But because you're incapable of shutting the fuck up, it's impossible for me to do that.
	How are you a Christian, bro?
	You know, perverse speech is actually a sin.
	Ralph never lecture me about anything.
	Ever.
	Never, ever.
	Wow, that really shows your character.
	I'm actually, I'm so glad this is on camera, bro.
	Because all you Christians out there, this is someone who claims to be a Christian right here.
	That's crazy.
	No thanks.
	Nothing.
	Shouldn't you be celebrating that she has turned away from her sin and joined Christianity?
	She's not a Christian.
	She denies the divinity of Christ.
	She didn't.
	I never said that.
	For you to say she's not a Christian.
	That's between her and God.
	If you deny the divinity of Christ, you are not a Christian.
	Simple as.
	What's funny is that's coming out of your mouth, not mine.
	Yeah, good.
	I'm glad it is.
	Just like a lot of other lies.
	Do you think you're God?
	Is that why you're judging?
	Is that why you're trying to decide whether she's Christian or not?
	Do you think you're God?
	Do you know what's in my heart?
	I don't.
	So why are you trying to find out what's in her?
	I'm not here to call out heresies.
	How do you know?
	You don't know nothing.
	I'm here to call out a Pharisee right in front of me, bro.
	You don't know what a Pharisee even means.
	Who were the Pharisees, Nala?
	Pharisees were in the time where they were supposed to be over the people, like the Christian people, or like the Jews, and they were supposed to be teaching the word of God.
	And they weren't.
	Were they supposed to be the Jews who were over everyone?
	That's what a Pharisee was.
	I said that they were literally the Christians over everyone, given the law to teach the law.
	Just Gerald donated $69.
	Thank you, Gerald.
	Appreciate it.
	This was great advertising for why the Orthodox Church is the way to go.
	Yo, Gerald, thank you very much.
	There's a lot coming through, so I'm going to ask that.
	You know, we just kind of let it come through.
	Thank you, Gerald.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	We got another one coming through here in just a moment.
	One sec, guys.
	Just see where we're at.
	Josh donated $69.
	I will say that you are correct, Andrew, that the church is a place for repentance.
	Though Nala's repentance is not owed to anyone in the church, it's only owed to God.
	Being self-righteous is a sin too.
	Yeah, no, let's go.
	But who disputes any of this?
	No, what is the do you guys?
	You guys don't even know what the argument's even about.
	You don't even know what we're arguing about.
	Damn.
	That's what makes.
	I'm sorry.
	I gotta let this come through.
	Nalated $69.
	Nala, we can judge, but cannot condemn.
	Call me skeptical given your past and the oversaturation of Griff.
	Nevertheless, her salvation is a private matter between you and God to be determined.
	It absolutely is.
	However, you can share your faith no matter what.
	And I think it's the right thing to do is to share what God's done in your life so you can help other people.
	All right.
	Thank you, man.
	Doc Venabilly donated $100.
	Take a time out to honor Brixon, who is famously credited for bringing Nala to salvation.
	I propose making him an honorary Christian and donating his flannel collection as church relics.
	I don't even know who Brixon is.
	Oh, that's me.
	We do have your videos.
	We'll have to pull those up a little later.
	Hold on, guys.
	We have a bunch coming through.
	Some of them fell off, so I'm just, I apologize.
	I'll have to just read them directly.
	Rachel Wilson donated $69.
	I'll get them all, guys.
	Andrew is correct.
	The idea that Christ is not co-equal with the Father and fully divine is a heresy called Arianism.
	The Trinity does not have parts.
	That's also a heresy.
	Christ is God.
	I don't think it was Arianism.
	I think it was Nestorianism.
	And I think we could have gotten to the bottom of it so we could have figured out which heresy it was.
	You can be mad and shake your head, but Christianity is not.
	I just don't think anybody has ever denied that Christ is God.
	No, I never said we're just saying that there are three different persons who are truly yet mysteriously one God.
	No, what happened earlier in the conversation, and you'll be able to see this yourself when the podcast is over.
	Yeah, I can't wait.
	I'll bet you $100 that this happened.
	I'll bet you right now, $100.
	That I asked her if Jesus Christ was God.
	She said, the Son of God.
	I said, but God.
	She said, no, the Son of God.
	And I said, but God.
	No, the Son of God.
	What does that mean to you?
	What does that mean to you?
	That they have three separate roles.
	Guys, let me get through the chats before I get to that.
	But have three separate roles.
	This is going to go on forever.
	Lucas donated $69.
	1/6.
	Not trying to be mean.
	Just pointed criticism/slash trying to frame the general preferences for someone who's a younger version of me.
	And I do so only B.C. Your well-intentioned conted.
	Continue.
	Hold on.
	There's this one.
	Hold on, it's coming in.
	In just a sec, I was able to get them pulled up.
	Lucas donated $69.
	When choosing my wife, physical appearance was a high priority.
	After which, vimio slash submissive demeanor with a willingness to take care of the household slash kids without any debate slash negotiation.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Kiyotor coming in here.
	Piotra donated $70.
	Americans, please vote for Carmela.
	She will continue making my country greater and greater.
	A lot of love for Andrew from Russia.
	What does Moscow have to do with our country?
	Wait, really quick.
	Just Putin's problem.
	Just going around the table who we voted for.
	Going around the table, who are you voting for?
	Trump already did.
	I am not a lot of people.
	Oh, you're Trump.
	Wait, really?
	Yes.
	Oh, I would not have guessed that.
	So proud of you.
	Trump.
	Trump.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't know.
	Trump.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	I didn't want to say it.
	I didn't want to say it because we don't say it like it's a private thing.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	MAGA, Trump 2024.
	Trump, baby.
	Trump.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Wow, everyone's changing their name.
	What did you vote for?
	We got the Trump gang.
	The Trump podcast.
	The Trump at Trumpets.
	MC underscore Rocker donated $69.99.
	As a fan of the Master Debater, let me say, Marley, you are an inspiration.
	I use your clips for good.
	Like Andrew says, meet them where they are.
	Thank you.
	Show the other one if it's like this.
	Okay, hold on.
	We have MC Rocker.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Octavius donated $69.
	Ladies, we could date Brian.
	On one hand, he is tall, 6'1, blue-eyed, rich, sometimes funny, successful, but he has a dead bod.
	Probably autistic.
	Probably and a small peepee.
	Oh my god!
	It's average!
	First off.
	How do you know that?
	It's not small, it's average.
	Get it right.
	Okay, going around the table.
	That's what they all say.
	Going around the table if you're interested.
	I'm married, no.
	Okay.
	Not interested.
	Okay.
	I have a boyfriend, so no.
	Yeah, it's hard if it's true.
	Married, no.
	Not my type.
	Is it because I'm white?
	No, no, actually, I actually do like white guys, just not Oxford study.
	Wait, are you half white, half?
	I'm half Taiwanese.
	Wait, half Taiwanese, half?
	Half white.
	Oh, that's cool.
	That's why you're tall.
	No.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	You wouldn't date me?
	No.
	What if I made five million?
	Still no.
	No.
	Oh, because I would expect you to be submissive and not be a plastic surgeon.
	No.
	It's just a no.
	Is it because I'm white?
	No.
	Don't really embrace no.
	Wait, kind of?
	Oh, you only date black guys?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I date black guys.
	My preference is like Hispanic men, Latino men.
	That's my preference.
	I mean, I'm Mexican.
	Oh, my gosh.
	You trying to get it?
	Where's the five mil?
	I think I would have to get to know Ryan more.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	I think it would have to go down to personality.
	Well, unfortunately, look, I want to do you a favor.
	I'm never going to earn $5 million a year, so I'm just going to back out a little bit of that.
	No, I'm out of the race.
	I'm out of the race.
	Whatever.
	I said, no, you're too old for me.
	Sorry.
	How old are you?
	How old are you?
	Boomer, boomer.
	35.
	35.
	No, you're not my boyfriend.
	But I have the mentality, the maturity of a 29-year-old.
	I agree with that.
	All right, what about you?
	Um, no, you you remind me of my cousin, actually.
	Yeah, he's chat, he sucks, my cousin.
	I remind you of your cousin, the wire of her cousin and the white cousins.
	My cousin actually lives in California.
	Second cousin marriages allowed this ain't Alabama once removed.
	Okay, all right.
	There you have it, folks.
	Uh, let's see.
	Here we got more.
	The legendary trash panda donated $69.
	Oh, trash panda hates me.
	You lying aspi your Instagram third pick.
	I can see your varg.
	Pull it up, Brian.
	Beware of the shorts where if you stood up, we can see the camel hanging.
	Quit lying, you ain't Christian.
	Damn.
	No.
	No.
	Once again, another judger.
	That's a fan.
	The legendary trash.
	I think he's wearing bubblets, not shorts.
	Big underscore cheesy cheese underscore 69 donated $69.
	Let's be real here.
	$5 million a year buys a lot of McDoubles.
	Also, Nalo, if you have changed your life, why do you still dress like an OnlyFans girl?
	Do you think God approves of those shorts?
	Why?
	Because it's hot in here, bro.
	I wish you could feel how freaking hot it is in here.
	Dude, it's like 85.
	Literally burning over here.
	Maybe open the airflow going.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We have this.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're getting a bunch of Josh donated $69.
	I will say that you are correct, Andrew, that the church is a place for repentance.
	Wait, we did?
	Yeah.
	No, Nalo's repentance is not owed to anyone in the church.
	It's only owed to God.
	Being self-righteous is a thing, too.
	Hold on, guys.
	Did we do this one?
	I'm gonna let this one come through.
	We got a lot, guys.
	Guys, we're gonna.
	I think we're all caught up here.
	What the hell?
	Sorry, guys.
	There's a couple coming through.
	Lucas donated $69.
	And yes, when you lie to get clicks, it is pathological lying.
	Be precise in your auditory comprehension.
	Second divesting of your ill-gotten pecuniary gain is a vital component of righteous penance.
	Okay, thank you, Lucas, so much, man.
	Really appreciate the message.
	We have Trash Panda coming up again.
	Oh, my God.
	The legendary Trash Panda donated $69.
	Did we do it?
	Care 7 OMG.
	Shut TF up.
	Even this Kumba Dean.
	No, that's not.
	Wait, no, we did a new one.
	Yeah.
	I gotta retrigger it.
	Okay.
	Maybe we shut him up.
	Rude.
	While we're waiting on that, Ray Bovis, Nala.
	Andrew is simply trying to shake you into having some accountability instead of coddling you.
	Thank you, Ray.
	The legendary Trash Panda donated $69.
	Care 7 OMG.
	Shut TF up.
	Even this Kumba D Geno's foundational doctrine identifies Christ as God.
	I don't think any of y'all are Christians.
	There are things to argue about, but Godhood is not.
	Word?
	Word?
	Okay, thank you.
	Do you have a reminder?
	Ryan Callaway donated $69.
	Thank you, Ryan.
	Appreciate it.
	Genuinely happy for you that you've found the Lord, Nala, and that you're using your platform to glorify him.
	Andrew isn't the enemy, though, and he's made some valid points.
	Stay humble, Christian.
	Honestly, I'm open to anything, Fre.
	I'm honestly open to anything he has to say, but without judgment in his heart.
	That's the issue that I'm having: whatever he is saying comes out of pure, like, it just feels dark.
	Doesn't feel like something coming from God.
	And then swearing at us is like $69.
	Protestantism was founded by Martin Lucifer.
	Perezy at its finest.
	Wake up and smell the coffee.
	Repent.
	Jesus is God.
	Look up the early church teachings.
	Looks nothing like Protestant.
	Can you explain to me just if I ever will?
	How children participate like Com Gosling $69 to all these non-denominational Christians.
	Read some of the things.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	Byzantine Orthodoxy is the older Christian denomination with a direct and uninterrupted apostolic succession Thank you, Lucas Appreciate the.
	There's three more coming in, guys.
	About three more.
	One sec, guys.
	We're going to get through all these.
	Not Diluleu unlike you donated $69.
	Andrew, I believe in logic.
	Facts don't care about your feelings.
	Also, Andrew, there is a giant man in the sky whom I have a personal relationship with, even though there's no evidence.
	Quick response, Andrew.
	If you're saying that I can't logically back up God, you're wrong.
	Okay, we have a very pleasant epistemology.
	Greek Orthodox donated $111.
	Just to clarify what true apostolic orthodox theology is, God is tri you, three persons in one essence.
	And Christ is true, God, and perfect man.
	I never said they weren't at all.
	I don't know what Andrew is even talking about at this point.
	The fact that I said part versus persons, that's what he's mad about.
	And literally smoking his freaking 50th cigarette when he's like telling me that I had 50 dicks in my mouth, which is also a lie.
	So now you're lying.
	Ogle donates $69.
	It wasn't 50.
	Would you guys prefer to date?
	During the OnlyFans time, I slept with three people.
	Ogle, would you guys prefer to date Wes Watson or Andrew?
	Don't even know who that is.
	Nobody knows who that is.
	I'm sorry, Ogle.
	They don't know who that is.
	Ogle, tell us.
	Here, I'll paint a word picture.
	So that's Andrew Wilson.
	And then Wes Watson is he's very ripped.
	He's bald, though.
	And he used to be, he was in prison, and he has a lot of tattoos.
	And he's rich.
	Sounds like a guy I met in the psychor.
	So which one?
	I don't know.
	I feel like that's a okay.
	All right, guys, we're going to bump the TTS back up to if there's any more that like trickle through within the next minute or two.
	For the next three minutes, I'll let them come through.
	But the TTS has been, will be bumped back up.
	So I appreciate everybody who sent some in.
	I'm going to read this here.
	Nala, Christianity is not to be used as a shield against righteous judgment or criticism for terrible behavior.
	Your response, Nala.
	Oh my gosh, in so many podcasts, I've told everyone what I did was completely wrong and that I regret it.
	So in no way, shape, or form am I shielding myself or shielding what I did as a form of like being like, oh, I know what I did was wrong, but it was okay because I wasn't saved.
	No way, shape, or form did I ever say that.
	If you actually watch what I post or actually listen to what I'm saying, I did say it was wrong.
	And I apologize openly to the men who actually absorb the content that I put out because it's causing them to stumble.
	So you can believe what you'd like, but I'm not using my Christianity as a shield.
	I'm defending God because I believe in him.
	Also, I guess this came off, but there was a message from Stiffler that asked, I mean, it's not here, so we'll just do this one.
	But ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to 10, starting with you.
	My looks?
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, I was actually prepared for this question.
	So, I would rate myself, myself, not you, myself as a 10 because I have self-confidence, but you could probably rate me as a three, and I don't care.
	Oh, okay, so 10.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'd say I'm like an eight.
	Okay.
	Ten.
	Ten?
	I give myself like a five or a six.
	Okay.
	Five.
	Okay.
	Six or seven.
	I've never thought about this in my life because I don't like the scale.
	I would say a five and a half.
	I would also say five.
	So ten and ten.
	Big time.
	Everyone is a ten.
	Everyone's a ten?
	Yeah.
	Wait, so let me have a bit of back and forth here.
	Everyone's a ten.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Into the mic if you can.
	Yes.
	All women are tens.
	Yeah.
	All men are tens.
	Yeah.
	Why wouldn't you date some men then?
	Ten.
	Okay, define the scale.
	The scale of like.
	Okay, so here, I'll give you, I'll give you a bit of a guideline here.
	So one, but ugly.
	Two, unattractive.
	Three, frumpy plain.
	Four, below average.
	Five, average, six, above average.
	Seven, pretty, eight, beautiful, nine, gorgeous, ten, perfect, or absolutely stunning head turner.
	Damn.
	Are you still?
	Not every guy is a 10, though.
	Oh, but all women are tens.
	Yeah.
	All women are tens.
	Because we carry everything.
	Carry what?
	We carry the pain of this world.
	But that doesn't really mean.
	Wait, so hold on.
	What?
	What does that mean?
	Just, we bring the babies to this world.
	We get our period.
	Like, we suffer so much that we don't want to.
	What does that have to do with your looks?
	Everybody should be confident to suffer.
	So the more you suffer, the more physically attractive you are.
	What's the logic?
	Yeah, okay.
	That's not, it doesn't make sense.
	Yeah, it doesn't.
	Just the woman.
	Deserve.
	Deserve what?
	To be a 10.
	What if the woman wasn't nice to you?
	Wait, can you screw up?
	Personality.
	Well, she's beautiful, but she's mean to you.
	What would you rate her?
	Not a 10 anymore.
	So that means all women are not 10.
	If they prove me wrong, then no.
	Wait, so you not all men are 10s, but all women are 10s.
	Do you agree with this?
	Are all women 10s?
	I honestly, I said myself as a 10 because I am self-confident in myself.
	I believe that personality has a big role when it comes to dropping the rate.
	I feel like everyone is a 10.
	Everyone, men and women alike.
	I feel like if your personality sucks, then your attractiveness sucks because you could be the most attractive man or woman in the world.
	Yeah, but it's a question about looks.
	No, but I'm saying, I'm saying everyone I believe lookfully is 10 because they're made in their own image and likeness.
	But I feel like that can change on a person's point of view because of their personality.
	But you have a dating app, right?
	You're on Tinder and Hinge?
	No.
	Well, actually, or it was just what?
	It was Tinder and Chispa.
	Oh, okay.
	Tinder and that other one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so you're on the dating apps, right?
	Which we'll pull up later.
	But if you don't care about, like, so you don't care about appearance then?
	No.
	Because everyone's just a 10, right?
	Do you swipe right on every single man on the dating app?
	I look at their profile and what they write, and I look at what they're looking for, and that's how I go about it.
	So you've never just seen the first photo and just swiped?
	No?
	always like investigate further i mean i mean it just depends Like, it would swiping, it also depends on, like, what I'm looking for.
	I feel like everyone is a 10 in their own way, in their image and likeness, but like it's just disregard.
	Continue.
	Yeah, I have swiped right on a lot of different people.
	I mean, my attractiveness is different, but I feel like fulfilling everyone is a 10.
	I feel like everyone is beautiful and stunning in their own way.
	So I have a question for you.
	You said you wanted to be a plastic surgeon, correct?
	So if everyone is a perfect 10 appearance-wise, why would you need to give people plastic surgery?
	Fantastic.
	That's actually a fantastic question.
	I run it as when I want to go into plastic surgery, I want it to make it a big deal.
	And a lot of plastic surgeons, when you do major surgeries, you have to go and see a psychologist and have some meetings with them to make sure you're not changing because of the thing.
	I've never heard of that.
	No, I definitely have to see it.
	You're talking about like trans stuff?
	No, like major change, like face changes and stuff like that.
	I feel like requisite is to see a psychologist first.
	Like face transplants?
	I mean, I don't, I'm not talking about plastic surgeons here.
	Where?
	Because a lot of people get their body done out of the country.
	Well, we're talking about in this country.
	In this country, in Colombia.
	Can you restate your question?
	Sorry, because we so if everyone's a perfect 10, everyone in the world is a perfect 10, why do you need to give people plastic surgery?
	Like, why is that the field that you want to go into if everyone's a perfect 10 already?
	So that's my view on everyone, but I go to the field of plastic surgery because I feel like a lot of people don't feel like that, like that themselves, and I want them to feel their way.
	That's your business if you want to change, if you want to look a specific way, if you want bigger boobs and stuff.
	Because all of us have our own self-concerns of like, oh, I don't look that great.
	I don't look this like, because like they said, like physical looks are important, but that's my perspective.
	But if that's not your perspective, I respect that and you want to change it.
	To tad on to your point really quick, wouldn't you be better suited into if it's actually your value set that people are tens just however they look instead of intervening through plastic surgery, why not intervene through like being a therapist or psychologist?
	Like you said, people need to see a psychologist beforehand.
	But this, like you getting into plastic surgery, does seem to somewhat, to her point, contradict your own view.
	Wouldn't you be better suited convincing people through words instead of through the scalpel?
	I mean, I don't want to be a psychologist.
	I actually, like, growing up really liked the idea of plastic surgery and I enjoy watching the surgeries, which is very morbid.
	Like, I enjoy the whole process of it.
	That's why I go into it.
	But like I said, that's my view because I can, because Nala can come to me and be like, hey, I want to facelift.
	Like, I think I look like really bad.
	And I could be like, oh, no, I can't tell you because as a nurse, I can't tell you how, or as a doctor, I can't tell you how I, my opinion, how I feel, because that's against the whole idea of that career.
	So she can come with me and say, oh, I want to facelift because I look ugly and I want it to look a certain way and I want a fox eye and all this stuff.
	And I could be like in my head, like, I don't think she needs it.
	But if she wants it and she's very committed, like, I don't feel good.
	This is what's going to make me prettier.
	This is this.
	Then that's when you say, okay.
	And that's how it goes by.
	Did you have a follow-up question?
	Well, I was going to say, well, generally, it's like the reason people have those insecurities is because of like outside perspectives.
	Say they got bullied.
	Like, for example, I got bullied for having a flat chest.
	I'm very insecure about my flat chest.
	So, why not go into like a different kind of surgery?
	Like, I don't know, brain surgery.
	Like, you said you apparently did the brain perfectly when you were doing the practice.
	I think I was just like cutting through like the school.
	I don't, it's not, if I don't go into plastics, I think I would really like to go into maternity and peds because I did work at a hospital, but that was like something that I enjoyed.
	I enjoyed the whole technique of it.
	The technique is so artistic.
	And since I have an artistic background, that's where it comes from.
	But if, let's say, like, I don't choose that, I would go into Peds and into because I love kids and maternity because I love that.
	But would it be better in your mind to just be able to like hype someone up and just make them feel better about their body?
	Like, for example, for me, like I said, like I had the whole flat chest thing.
	Like, if I came to you and said, I need double D tits right now, and you're like, You do not need those.
	Like, wouldn't it be better to just like hype me up than to like give me those double D tits?
	You know, does that make sense?
	No, I it seems like it makes sense.
	There's also times where a lot of plastic surgeons have said, have denied the patient and been like, Hey, I'm not going to take you because I feel like, oh, I don't know if you guys know who Barbie Ken is.
	It's the Brazilian guy who has the crazy thing.
	Because when he got all these surgeries, I think there's a point where you have to be like, Hey, no, like this, this wouldn't be good.
	And they'll go to the other one because a lot of these people, too, as plastic surgeons, they don't only go for the money, they also go because there are people who need who like feel that change and feel like I really need this to be fixed.
	I do have to move it away from the plastic surgery here.
	A couple questions to the 10 here.
	So, when it comes to your looks, do you think that you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world?
	No, I feel like I'm beautiful in my own way, and they're beautiful their own way.
	I feel like if I was like skinnier and how I was like two years ago, I've been told a lot that I should go into modeling and that I would really be a good model.
	And it was actually kind of an aspiration of like hobby of mine that I would model.
	I also do model for a couple hair salons, and I do makeup.
	Shout out to Reina back in Pasaig.
	But I wouldn't say that I'm like on par with them, but I would say that I'm think I'm really beautiful.
	That's my perspective on it.
	Because like so, 10 is perfect by world standards.
	But like, I mean, in the Bible, like God says, like, you were beautifully and wonderfully created.
	Like, so in God's standards, you are good.
	Like, you are a 10 because He created you.
	Yeah, so why does, I mean, but you would you reject pretty privilege as in what?
	Explain it.
	As in what?
	Well, I'm not quite sure what that is.
	Physically attractive confers certain benefits.
	Yes, I do, absolutely.
	So, some people on this sliding scale of what is physically attractive, we can agree that some people are more attractive than others.
	Yes, they are.
	I'm not saying that we're all equally the same.
	We're absolutely not.
	But in her eyes, she's beautiful because God made her that way.
	Secularist would also just entirely reject this component of this argument when it comes to looks.
	Would they?
	Yeah, because faith and religion would have no nothing to do with it, no bearing, understanding.
	I mean, like I said, I think I'm pretty beautiful.
	I think I've always been told by my parents that I'm beautiful.
	I think I'm beautiful.
	I went through years of thinking that I was really ugly, and I went through years of bullying, and most of those guys wanted to end up being in my head.
	And then actually, here, I'll just get into it.
	So people don't like this question.
	A lot of women don't like the question.
	What do you rate yourself on a scale of one to 10?
	And what I always say is, if you have an over-elevated sense of your own physical attractiveness or your general attractiveness, that could extend beyond just physical appearance.
	It could have to do with your personality.
	Perhaps you think you're charismatic, but you're actually dull, whatever it may be.
	I'm not speaking about you specifically, but you think you have these really, you have an attractive, whatever it is.
	But if you have an inaccurate self-assessment, you're going to want to be commanding a certain kind of partner.
	And I'm not trying to be rude to you, but I mean, you just go.
	You kind of fit.
	You fit like the perfect, whenever I've explained this, is that a lot of women have an inaccurate self-assessment of their own attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
	And they're going to either be trying to date a certain caliber of guy that you're either A, going to get rejected, or B, they're going to keep you around for sex and never give you commitment, or keep you around from some other extraneous reason, and you'll still never get commitment.
	So that's why it's really important.
	But I mean, here you are.
	So, I mean, I suppose this delusion as it relates to your demands of wanting to date a man who makes $5 million a year starts to make a bit more sense because you consider yourself a 10 out of 10 in the dating marketplace.
	Ergo, you deserve a zero, less than a 0.01%.
	I never said that.
	I literally said when I answered, you probably think I'm a three, but I think I'm a 10.
	I'm not saying that I'm not afraid of 100.
	I lost my self-confidence, but I'm not being like, oh, yeah, I'm a 10 and I can get every guy in the world.
	No, I'm probably not your cup of tea.
	I'm probably not what you want, and that's fine.
	Okay, but so I agree with you that you can acknowledge that people in the outside world will be able to make a determination that they don't think you're a 10 and you're fine with them making that determination.
	The issue is, is that it's irrelevant because you still consider yourself to be a 10 and you said, I won't settle for, I mean, you moved it down, you shifted the goalposts.
	In any case, desiring a man who makes $1 million a year is still crazy.
	Even for a really attractive girl, that's a big ask because on top of, like, there's a lot of beautiful women.
	Don't you live in Los Angeles?
	No.
	Or sorry, you live in Jersey.
	Okay, well, that makes, I mean.
	What do you have against Jersey?
	New York City, but what do you have against Jersey?
	No, nothing, but I mean, New Jersey, seven, Los Angeles.
	Anyways.
	Okay.
	So look, but it's like you think you're a 10.
	You want a guy who makes $5 million a year.
	I never, I said like that.
	I did.
	You just said that.
	Okay, I said, I rearitiating myself, I said, that's what I want, but I don't know what's going to happen in the future.
	That's like a want.
	Okay, but you come across a guy who's making $50,000 a year.
	You're going to turn him down, right?
	It just like it really depends.
	On what?
	So, okay, in order for you to accept a guy who makes $50,000 a year, he has to exceed in another metric then.
	So he's got to be really good looking.
	He's got to have charisma.
	He's got to be.
	It's the charisma.
	So wanting to get better.
	I think it has to be that charisma of, I want to work, not play COD for five, six hours in the day and sleep all day and not go to work and not have a job, get kicked out of their own apartment.
	What but why you don't need a five million dollar guy to have a guy who's like works a nine to five and he makes 60k a year.
	Look, I said I was flexible.
	I said that's like basic.
	You brought it down to a million.
	That's still crazy.
	That's still less than 1% of men.
	A girl can dream.
	I'm 35.
	I want to date a 19-year-old virgin who's a Victoria secret model.
	You think I can get her?
	You can dream.
	Like a girl can drink.
	Do you think I can get her?
	I mean, if you can pull her, I don't know if they're all virgins, but.
	No, no, no.
	She has to be a virgin.
	I don't know.
	And she has to look.
	She has to be a 10 out of 10 Victoria secret model.
	She has to be super submissive, super feminine, 10 out of 10.
	Giant.
	Actually, I'm on the small titty committee, so whatever.
	She could have small boobs.
	She can have big boobs.
	Whatever.
	Still a 10, whatever.
	Nice butt helps, whatever.
	Large labia.
	I only date women.
	I don't have large labia.
	What's up?
	And she has to be willing to put her career not just in the backseat in the trash can.
	I'm going to take care of everything.
	Seven sons.
	That's right.
	Seven sons.
	Este marica.
	She ain't going to have that shape after that.
	I ain't going to have that body after that.
	So?
	I have seven sons.
	That's a fucking army.
	Whatever.
	What if she gives you a baby?
	She's my body.
	What if she gives you daughters only?
	Seven daughters and seven.
	We keep going until we get at least a couple sons.
	I love you, adopt.
	Would you adopt or would it just be like through her?
	Through her.
	Oh, if it's a girl, abort it.
	Eventually, we'll have.
	Eventually, we'll have a couple sons.
	Why?
	Why are you shaking your head?
	No, just what she said.
	I don't know what it is.
	I said, if it's a girl, abort it.
	I feel like that's the wrong panel to say that.
	That's a real.
	It's a joke.
	It was a joke.
	I was joking.
	I was joking.
	She's joking.
	I was going to say, the Trump's abortion.
	I know.
	I'm like, don't say that.
	Wait, really quick.
	Just who's pro-life?
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, really?
	You?
	Yeah, pro-ify on that?
	No, not iffy at all.
	Pro-choice?
	Go ahead.
	Pro-pro-do you know what this is?
	I know in German.
	Pro-life, pro-life, it's the abortion issue.
	So are you pro a woman being able to make it?
	Make the choice.
	Yeah, that's what pro-choice is.
	Pro-choice hello.
	Or pro-life is where you think, no, that's not acceptable.
	No, then I think I'm pro-choice.
	What?
	Oh, my God.
	No.
	Words have meaning, dude.
	Wait, so okay.
	Pro-life.
	Pro-choice.
	Catholic, by the way.
	Pro-life.
	Pro-life.
	Life.
	Pro-life.
	I think it's more of a complex issue.
	I can't just say I'm pro-life or pro-choice, but technology.
	You could say pro-choice, yes.
	Pro-choice.
	Pro-life.
	Okay.
	Wait, so Andrew was actually kind of spot on with the picking and choosing when it comes to the Catholic faith here.
	No, my personal.
	Okay, so yeah, I had a baby and I went through a situation where one side of my family said I had to abort and the other side of the family said to keep the baby and it was a miracle.
	And I had a conversation with God and God showed me my punishment if I was going to abort my child.
	That is the reason why I had my child because no one knows how they're going to feel in that situation.
	I was in the middle of Columbia doing something that could really bring my career up as an artist.
	And basically, I was either leave everything and have this child or not.
	And I get emotional about this because it was the best decision I made.
	No, you made the right decision.
	So if a woman wants to abort, that's their problem, but that's not mine.
	If they want to have an abortion because of abuse and stuff like that, that's their choice.
	I mean, when it comes to me, if you're getting an abortion because you can't keep, you can't use any time of contraceptive because you don't want to, that's a different thing.
	But there's incest.
	There's all these stuff that happened.
	If you want to get an abortion, I get it.
	Well, we can talk about the abortion topic later, but I do want to bring it back to the conversation about this whole 10 thing.
	So is it quick?
	Yeah, I just want to touch on the scale thing because I feel like it's hard to really rate yourself on a scale because everyone's scale is so different and how they view the world and themselves.
	Like, I've never thought about myself at all on this scale level or anyone else.
	Like, if I say attractive guy, I'm like, ooh, he's attractive.
	I'm not like, oh, he's an eight.
	Or I see a guy I don't, I'm not attracted to, but my friend's attracted to.
	And I'm not, she's like, oh, he's a seven.
	I'm like, oh, he's a two.
	I have never done that because I think everyone's made in the image of God.
	And I also think everyone has a different type of person and different way of how they are raised in their values and of the scale itself.
	Yeah, but I mean, there is some degree of like, if you show people images of one person and another person, and like there's clear discrepancy, clear differential in terms of their outward physical appearance, then like you show you show a thousand women pictures of two men.
	And like if there's huge gaps, like probably 99% of the women are going to be like, yeah, that guy's more attractive.
	So while people have different tastes and differences and so forth, like there, I think there is some degree of.
	Andrew's got me fucked up on this because maybe I don't know the word object objectively, but like I do think there is some degree of objectivity when it comes to physical appearance.
	Don't do it, Andrew.
	Don't fucking do it, Andrew.
	Don't you dare.
	Don't you?
	Okay, anyways.
	What?
	Okay, so look.
	I guess the issue here is, is that you want to date a guy?
	I don't know about how to do it.
	I want to go past this because this keeps coming back.
	And basically, I feel like at this point, it's just like trying to get me to look like crap on the internet.
	And I've rearrated myself a lot of times.
	And I don't want to start getting upset because this is a podcast.
	And, you know, it's about people's opinions and views.
	And you keep going back to me specifically.
	I understand that I'm fat right now and that I'm like an I. Even if you were skinny, no offense, you wouldn't be.
	No, I don't think it's.
	Okay, that's your personal opinion, like coming to you.
	That's your personal opinion.
	I have my own opinion.
	Some guys think I'm a 10.
	Some guys think I'm a two.
	I don't care.
	Like, I really don't.
	I want to go past this question.
	I want to go past the $5 million stuff.
	I'm over it.
	Like, it's done.
	It's gone with.
	I explained myself.
	I don't need to explain myself even more.
	Okay.
	i mean you don't have to you don't have to explain yourself but i'll just talk i guess the issue is is that no i want you to skip this like Well, I mean, you're not the host of the podcast.
	So if I want to talk about this for the next hour, I will.
	And there's other women here who have also answered the question when I'm talking about this.
	It's not necessarily all about you.
	But in any case, look, what I see happening in the dating marketplace is there's, and this isn't even directed at you, is a lot of women are gassed up by social media, by their friends.
	You look at a girl's Instagram, oh, Slay Queen, you're fucking gorgeous, blah, blah, blah.
	Whereas if you look at a dude's Instagram, his friends are fucking clowning on him.
	You look like a fucking idiot, this kind of thing, right?
	Y'all like to tell each other comforting lies, whereas men want to hear uncomfortable truths, right?
	The difference is, is that is me.
	If I step to a girl who's outside of my league, I get instantly rejected.
	I don't get a conversation.
	I don't get a date.
	I don't get anything.
	It's because you're in California.
	What do you mean?
	Yeah.
	Well, like, you're talking about girls, like, if it was, she was a 10 or something, but like, who here in California says a 10 is actually like great to talk to?
	No, no, no, it's not about that.
	It doesn't matter where you are.
	The same phenomenon would happen anywhere because this is just the nature of the dynamics between men and women.
	So men get rejected on the front end.
	So if I step to a girl who's out of my league, clearly, just on a comparison, look, maybe she has a preference for, look, I think looks are incredibly important.
	In fact, I think women care more about looks and are way pickier about looks than men are.
	That's another conversation.
	But if I step to a girl who's outside of my league, instant rejection.
	I don't get conversation.
	I don't get a date.
	I don't get sexual access.
	It's a little different for women.
	As a woman, if you step to a guy who's outside of your league and you make yourself sexually available to him, even if you're below him in terms of physical appearance, you can still get sexual access to that guy.
	You can still get a date.
	He might be like, eh, I'll never commit to this girl, but she's offering sex.
	I'll take sex once, twice.
	Maybe I'll keep her around as a friends with benefits.
	And so what ends up happening is women get sexual access to men that are outside their league.
	And this couldn't even have to be about looks.
	It could be about socioeconomic status.
	It could be fame.
	A nobody chick can go fuck a famous rapper.
	A nobody chick can go fuck a famous athlete.
	A nobody guy can't step to, I mean, there's some exceptions.
	Most nobody dudes can't step to Taylor Swift and get Taylor Swift or some other, you know, famous woman who has a lot of status.
	And so what ends up happening, you got these girls, you get rejected on the back end.
	You'll never get commitment from these men, but they welcome the easy access to sex.
	They'll fuck you once, a couple times, keep you around as a friends with benefits.
	You'll never get commitment.
	You'll spend your 20s doing this.
	Not all women, but many will spend their 20s chasing after men who are frankly outside their league.
	And they'll wonder why don't they ever get commitment from them?
	Situation chips, fuck buddies, etc.
	Why are men so scared of commitment?
	Actually, the men who are interested in commitment, you're turning them down.
	You're rejecting them.
	And again, I know this doesn't apply to all women, especially the two women here who are waiting until marriage.
	You kind of avoid this to some degree because you're not offering yourself up in terms of sexual access to men.
	But if you were, you could get with men who are outside of your league, who will never give you commitment on the sole basis of your looks.
	And the differential here is typically for women, in order for you guys to sleep with a guy, he has to at least be physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
	And typically when women who are, even women who are perhaps reluctant to engage in casual sex, when they do engage in casual sex, they typically will have to make the exception for an really attractive guy.
	They'll take the opportunity with a really attractive guy.
	When men engage in more casual sex, they tend, it's the opposite.
	They'll fuck a woman they would never consider even being in a relationship with.
	They'll fuck down, so to speak.
	So what ends up happening, though, with women who are not chased is y'all end up having sexual access to men who are outside of your league.
	You think that's what you can get, but your league is not the men you can have sex with.
	Your league is the men who will give you a ring and give you commitment.
	And so, this is why I think it's incredibly important for women to have a reasonable self-assessment of their physical attractiveness because maybe you can fuck a guy who makes $5 million a year.
	But can you get him to marry you?
	You're going to get married.
	You're going to get commitment.
	We had this 37-year-old on the show last week.
	37-year-old.
	She said, I don't know what's going on this past couple weeks.
	She said she wanted the guy who had to have a $7 million house and he had to make at least $1 million a year.
	And it's like, you're 37.
	It's going to be tough.
	They might want to fuck you.
	Are you going to get the commitment, though?
	Because that's when women win.
	Because winning as a woman is not, oh, I can fuck a dude.
	That's your default.
	You can fuck anyone.
	Yeah, you can fuck anybody.
	So, like, fucking a guy is not like a metric for success.
	That's not a W for you as a woman, hooking up with the guy, whatever it is.
	That's not a W for you.
	The W is when you get the commitment, when you get the ring.
	Well, there you go.
	You got it.
	So, anyways, that's my take on this.
	If I could add something, I feel like the reason that that happens where a man will kind of, I guess, fuck down and women will fuck up.
	I don't know.
	That's the best way I can describe it.
	But I think men tend to rate themselves lower because they have lower self-esteem because of like what you said is that like if you go on a girl's Instagram, all her friends are hyping her up.
	If you go on a guy's Instagram, all his friends are, you know, putting him down.
	And that's going to get into your brain eventually.
	So when a guy is convinced that he is, you know, a three or four when maybe he's a seven or an eight, he will settle for a three or a four.
	I disagree.
	I think that the guys who are the seven and the eights, you might be right.
	They're being clowned by their friends when they make those posts.
	I think the reason why they have sex with women below them is because they can, because they just want to.
	They have the status.
	No, no, no.
	They just want to have sex.
	They just, they will have sex with whoever, whatever, because they can, because they want to.
	And the key for those men, the men who are the higher numbers, the eights, the nines, the tens, is the ring.
	That's kind of what we're discussing.
	It's like when one of those guys puts a ring on their finger, that's how you know that he's with whoever he's matched with.
	And I would say typically, it's probably not somebody who's going to be below him.
	It's going to be somebody who's at his level, you know, like a Taylor Swift and a Travis Kelsey.
	You know, Travis Kelsey's probably had sex with a ton of people.
	Let me ask the girls here a question.
	So like, at least from my perspective, and I'll ask the corresponding question here.
	So at least for me, if I can sleep with a girl, there's a fairly high probability, I'm a high degree of confidence, I can get her in a relationship.
	I don't know if women can as easily say, just because you can sleep with a guy, you can get that guy in a relationship.
	I agree.
	I 100% agree.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah, I think so.
	To Alanis.
	It's Alanis.
	How dare it is, Andrew?
	It's Alanis.
	How dare you, Andrew?
	Did I say that?
	No, you said Alanis.
	It's Alanis.
	Analys?
	Oh, my God.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry, though.
	Earlier in the conversation, you said to Brian Murray, come.
	What does that mean?
	Oh, Marika's like friend.
	It's like a Colombian slang.
	It means two different things.
	It's like a friendly thing because I call him a girl.
	What's the other thing it means?
	Huh?
	You said it means two different things.
	What's the second thing it means?
	It means friend.
	We use it as friend.
	Wait, what?
	You said it means two different things.
	Well, I mean, it's a bad word, and then it means friend.
	But that's the bad word.
	I'm just going to say I called him my friend.
	Yeah, but what's the bad word?
	Oh, she was talking shit.
	No, I was saying, oh my God, like, what is he saying?
	Like, that's what I was saying in Spanish.
	I wasn't saying the bad word.
	Yeah, but what's the matter?
	What does the bad word mean?
	I'm not saying it.
	Andrew texted someone.
	It was said in the chat earlier on.
	Someone's saying that.
	Does it mean homosexual?
	No, that's what Maricón is.
	Okay, so what is Marika?
	Marika's friend.
	That's what I call my family.
	Yeah, but what's the other word?
	What's the other way it's used?
	Oh my God, that's the other word, which is Marikón.
	It comes from Maricón, and it's called Marika.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you just, you just, you were calling him friend, huh?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Or this guy.
	There's a lot of like.
	Wait, when was she calling me that?
	It was during the moment just a few minutes ago.
	Andrew said that you would want to see your son with a seven.
	Andrew, cut the foreplay.
	What was it?
	I literally said what it was.
	She was calling you gay, basically.
	No.
	No.
	Whoever on the chat who's.
	It means sissy.
	No.
	Oh, it means the F-word.
	No, that's what Marikon.
	That's what someone said.
	That's what Maricón is.
	It's a similar word.
	It's a similar word.
	I'm the one who speaks Spanish.
	I'm the one who goes to Colombia.
	I'm telling you.
	Maricón is what that is.
	Wait, what was that?
	What's the context, Andrew?
	I was talking about how you would want your daughter to be with or your son to be with a seven.
	No.
	And then that's where I'm going to be.
	That had nothing to do with that.
	That had nothing to do with that.
	What did I say?
	That had nothing to do with that.
	I was talking about the whole like five million.
	That had nothing to do with the sun.
	Okay.
	And it means my guy, because I can go to the street in Colombia and say, Kyo Marika, what's up, my guy?
	Because I actually go there.
	Is it like similar to like me calling like a friend, like a close friend of mine, like a bitch, but like I mean it in like a friendly?
	Yeah, Okay, got it.
	Lucas $100.
	Vulgarity in the abstract is not a sin.
	Rather, it's the mensria slash intent that determines whether it's sinful.
	Are you literally trying to make a moral equivalency between events cigars slash vulgarity?
	Yo, Lucas, thank you so much for the message, man.
	There were a couple that came through.
	We bumped, by the way, the TTS is back up to 200, but there were a couple 69s that came through.
	I'll let those come in.
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	Ask Big Mama what she calls you in Spanish, Brian.
	What?
	No, no, no.
	Oh, no.
	No, I know it wasn't you, but what was she saying?
	I mean, she said what she said.
	Yeah, I said Maricon is like, yeah.
	But I said Marika.
	That's different.
	Also, don't say the slur in Spanish either on YouTube.
	Oh, don't say it in Spanish.
	Sorry.
	We can't say it in English, but we can say it in Spanish.
	Like, what's he saying?
	You know, this guy, you know, I'll let these come in.
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	Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above?
	They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to love.
	Nala people are listening.
	They sure are.
	Thank you, Rocker.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you so much.
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	Uh, okay.
	Oh, we got it.
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	You look sticky and like you slept in your makeup for days.
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	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Nala, take a shower, please.
	Look, did you shower before the show?
	Yes.
	I showered last night, but not like this morning.
	Did you use a loofah or the loofah?
	Like a scrubby thing.
	No, just a washcloth.
	Loofas are supposed to like hold bacteria, so I don't know.
	Washclass did the same thing unless you're not.
	Joe Smithers, thank you.
	Thank you, Brian, for bringing this topic.
	Nala said California, as a man not in California, it is way harder for a man than a woman.
	No, it absolutely is.
	I was just speaking to the fact that women in California tend to be a different breed.
	And like, you know, they are way harder to speak to and actually befriend, even as a girl from here.
	Like, dude, it's hard.
	Like, girls here are odd.
	Like, so weird.
	Like, even the way they speak is like, oh my God.
	And you're just like, speak English.
	How long were you in LA for?
	Three and a half years.
	Yeah, that's why Santa Barbara's not so bad, I guess.
	It's nice here.
	Lucas donated $100.
	Beauty is objective with some variability.
	Based on ratios, golden ratio and symmetry.
	Markers of Goat genes.can't with this cope.
	I'm six feet four inches.
	Good shape, and think of myself as a six.
	Average is okay.
	For the single woman, would you date an average guy?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I'm not single.
	I'm not single either.
	Yeah.
	You date an average guy?
	Yeah.
	But $5 million a year is not average.
	Yay.
	Okay, well, you can look average too.
	What does an average guy look like?
	Exactly.
	It's different for everyone, what they think their average is.
	It's like weight, height.
	Yeah, just what's an average.
	Average income.
	Brian.
	Yeah, I'm pretty average looking.
	Awkward.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm super curious.
	Rate me.
	Oh, this is mean.
	I won't be offended.
	Four.
	I will not be offended.
	Wait, four.
	Let me go.
	A six.
	Okay.
	You can, I won't be offended.
	Say you can be honest.
	Go ahead.
	I don't like this.
	Go ahead.
	I would say I'm going to go with the 10.
	You're nicer than me.
	Brian doesn't believe that.
	Stop the cap.
	We'd rate Andrew too.
	Oh, I mean, I just, I mean, I wasn't really planning on going around the table.
	It was just for her, so whatever.
	We have Ogle donated $200.
	Can each panelist say which of the panelists they think is most beautiful?
	Damn.
	Wait, before we do that, can you go to Twitch?
	We haven't done Twitch yet.
	That's awesome.
	I don't do that.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Go to Twitch.
	Go to Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and then a prime sub if you have one, guys.
	We got 15 or no, 1500 excuse me, viewers.
	Uh, guys, can we get to 94,000 followers by the end of tonight's stream?
	We need about 250, 250 crucible chat, whatever chat.
	Open up another tab, go to youtube.com.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	Go to twitch.tv.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Guys, get us to 94,000 followers.
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	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Where were we at, Ogle?
	Hang on.
	Yeah.
	So on the prettiest thing, the question was who the girls in the room think is the prettiest girl.
	So here's the experiment.
	Okay.
	And nobody's going to like it.
	You're all going to be upset about it.
	But it's actually a pretty good one.
	So here's what I want you to do.
	I want you to take a good look around the room, all of you, real quick, at all the different girls who are sitting there.
	Right?
	Take a good look.
	Okay, now all of you close your eyes and squeeze them tight and then put your hand like this so that we know you're not peeking.
	All of you.
	Okay, now point at the girl you thought was the prettiest.
	Wait.
	This is gonna, that's confusing, bro.
	I can't see who I'm pointing at.
	Can we just raise our hand and you say our names?
	I can't see who I'm pointing at.
	Can we do that?
	Huh?
	Yeah, say their name.
	That's fine.
	Do chair one.
	We raise our hand.
	Chair two, you raise your hand.
	Is that easier?
	Are we still doing this?
	Wait, it's not working.
	It's not working.
	What?
	It's really.
	I mean, I think it would have worked, but it's all right.
	Well, you could say, like, chair one.
	Can they do they have to cover their eyes?
	Close their eyes and vote.
	Yeah.
	And then you call it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Let's just vote on a number of chairs.
	They don't have to do it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, that's easier.
	Okay, wait.
	Wait, so here.
	I guess with the hands, you show.
	Wait, but there's more than that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So if we all close our eyes, and then, Andrew, you want to, if you want to roll call, each of the chairs, chair one, and then you raise your hand to whichever chair.
	Okay, you don't want to be raising our hands, though.
	Like, if we're pointing out for that person, who do you think is the most attractive?
	Did you just say what chair?
	Yeah, he's going to say the chair, and you're going to have your eyes closed, and you raise your hand to whoever you're the chair that you think.
	So they got to commit the chair number, chair number to memory.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
	Okay, so get the number in your head.
	Close your eyes.
	All you close your eyes.
	Right?
	Cover them.
	Don't look around because that's cheating.
	Okay.
	Chair one, raise your hand.
	If it's for chair one.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	If it's for chair two, raise your hand.
	Chair three, raise your hand.
	Chair four, raise your hand.
	Okay, so for chair five, raise the hands.
	For chair six, raise the hands.
	For chair seven, raise the hands.
	For chair eight, raise the hands.
	Okay.
	You're done?
	You don't get to know.
	We can always watch it back.
	We will laugh.
	I'm sure we will all go back and watch it.
	I have a little, I have a little intel here.
	Escarlata, Brian, the Michelin man, called you a can't say that word on YouTube and tried to say you are delusional in Spanish.
	Also, she can't call a random Colombian that and not get hurt.
	Also, her Colombian accent is fake and forced.
	What?
	Okay.
	Cope.
	I honestly.
	Can you respond to that in Colombian?
	Ah, well, I'm going to do it.
	My mother is from Bogotá and my family is from Tolima, so I speak very well.
	My Spanish is super good and I can sing in Spanish.
	I also speak Portuguese.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Keep going.
	I also speak Portuguese, and Portuguese was my first language, people.
	Yinto, o se que fala que uno se el sice.
	Muy tu bén.
	Oh my god, who the hell cares?
	Oh my god.
	I love that.
	That was beautiful.
	She called me.
	She called me a.
	Did it translate to English?
	No, what I said was that I know Spanish really well.
	My family's from Bogotá.
	I'm from Toliman, Colombia.
	And that my mom taught me in Spanish, that I sing in Spanish, and that I also speak in Portuguese because that was my first language, and English was my second.
	Luke has donated $100.
	Look at U.S. Census/slash CDC.average guy is 5 feet 9 inches, makes approx $49,000.
	As I said, I'm 6 feet 4 inches in shape.
	Law firm partner makes seven figs, and I still think I'm a six.
	Who identified themselves on the panel as a seven or seven plus?
	And then, was there any tens?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and he knows.
	Yeah, I just wonder, right, for all the sevens and then eights and nines and tens, if I were to tell you that almost every girl on the panel pointed towards one girl on the panel and not at the ones who identified as the seven, eights, nines, and tens, would that surprise you?
	Not at all.
	No.
	How come?
	Because, like I've said, my 10 comes from my cell phone confidence.
	It doesn't come from what other people perceive of me.
	And I know that.
	Can somebody explain the rationale behind that?
	Because I don't actually understand it.
	I hear this all the time.
	But the question is just asking about physical characteristics.
	It's not asking about confidence.
	It's not asking about anything.
	For instance.
	Was that described clearly, though?
	Yeah.
	Well, like, for instance, you don't know anything about a man's confidence and things like this when you swipe right on him, right?
	You're just looking at a picture.
	Say, And you can agree with me that you look at pictures of men who you think are handsome or not handsome.
	You don't know anything about their personality, this and that.
	So you can clearly gauge physical characteristics.
	So how come you think that women so often will talk about everything except physical characteristics?
	Do you think it's because you don't want to offend other women?
	I think it's like a sensitive subject.
	I think, I mean, yeah, I think it's just a sensitive subject.
	I don't know what you think because you're like the people who were like seven plus.
	Like, I don't know what you what do you think, Nala?
	I honestly think that your answer really came from like what you truly believe in yourself.
	You described that you were bullied as a kid and that you have brought yourself to the place you are now, going through as much as you did, and that in your belief, you believe you're a 10 because you have worked this hard to get to where you're at right now.
	And you think, you know what?
	I'm a 10.
	It doesn't matter what you think I am, but I think I'm a 10.
	It wasn't, the question wasn't what someone else thinks I am.
	Well, then, Nala, there you go with the interrupting again.
	I love it.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	I'll enlighten you.
	Just based on pure physical.
	I'm sorry.
	I haven't talked to you in about an hour.
	I haven't said anything.
	Because it wasn't about you.
	Was I interrupting your interruption?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So, anyway, Nala, I was just going to ask, why is it that you think that she's not a 10?
	Or do you think she is one?
	I never said she wasn't a 10.
	Yeah, is she one?
	Physically.
	Physically, no.
	Okay.
	And so based on this metric, do you think that there's delusion?
	No.
	No, I really don't.
	No.
	No.
	Do you think that people's physical assessment of themselves is generally non-delusional?
	Non-delusional?
	No, sometimes I do think it is delusional because some people come at it with a big pride in their heart, like an ego, that they think that they are the way they are.
	But from what I'm hearing from her, it's coming out of a place of humility.
	Like she's built herself up to where she is now, and that's why she feels the way she is.
	You're a humble 10.
	Oh, man.
	Okay.
	I think, like I've said before, I know that, like, as like, I think what you mean delusionals because, like, yeah, I know, like, I don't look the prettiest now, and I'm not the prettiest in your eyes.
	And I know that I have to, like, work on my physical feature about my weight.
	And I've rewritted it like so many times where I said, I'm on a weight loss journey.
	I am losing weight.
	I know, because I care about my health.
	I eat healthy.
	I eat good.
	I like eat healthy and I drink a lot of water and stuff like that.
	So, I mean, I think my 10 is because I know I'm a 10 and I know I can physically get better.
	And that's from my view to myself because I think that's what's more important.
	And I know, and I've been saying that I am honestly like I see that guys could think I'm a two or a one or a zero, and I don't care.
	Yeah.
	And I understand that they say, oh, you're a two.
	Okay.
	I'm not your cup of tea.
	Andrew, I'm curious to see what you think about yourself.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm a 10 for sure.
	He's a 10.
	Did I agree with this?
	Yeah, if all these fucking delusional broths could be 10s, I could be a 10 too.
	See, that's the thing why I don't understand why you proclaim Christ.
	Because in no way, shape, or form would God talk like that.
	Sorry, no lies.
	Sorry, I won't lie.
	No, I'm not asking you to be delusional.
	I'm asking you.
	I won't lie to feed delusion, Nala.
	I'm sorry that that upsets you, Nala.
	That you expect me to lie.
	I never once asked you to lie.
	That's out of your mouth, not mine.
	But Andrew, what do you think?
	Well, then, what is it?
	What is it that I should do?
	Should I lie to people to make them feel better?
	No.
	And again, I've never said that.
	What am I saying?
	You're saying that.
	So for me, like, in no way, in the Bible, it even talks about perverse speech, and that is a sin.
	So you cussing and slandering people, you called me a whore.
	Did he not?
	You are a prostitute.
	I think he was a person.
	No, he always said a whore.
	He said a whore.
	Who's who?
	Why?
	When a correction from a whore.
	So my thing is, too, you want to talk about lying.
	And then you said.
	You're a whore for six months.
	You were a whore six months ago.
	Now you're going to be like, what the Bible said?
	Eight months ago.
	That's fucking real.
	Eight months ago.
	Give fucked.
	I'm not going to take correction.
	Wait, Andrew, isn't there six months ago?
	That's insane.
	I love that you're proving your character out right now.
	Wait, Andrew.
	Andrew.
	I want every Christian to hear, I am not going to take correction from someone who denies the divinity of Christ and was a whore six months ago.
	Never did that.
	And it was eight months ago.
	It was exact invasion of the church that I'm talking about.
	The invasion of what your delusional mind is an expert minister.
	That's like, you don't know anything about your faith.
	You know nothing about your faith.
	I absolutely do.
	I know that I'm on fire for Christ because he absolutely saved me.
	People is a former prostitute six months ago.
	It's ridiculous.
	Oh, you know what's funny?
	Paul killed people in the Bible and absolutely wrote letters to churches about what they did.
	Uh-huh.
	Hey, Andrew.
	Andrew.
	Jesus Christ.
	Let me help you, Andrew.
	Andrew.
	Paul has literally appeared to Paul.
	He's in ministry.
	Andrew.
	Wait, Andrew.
	Andrew.
	Andrew.
	I can't say it.
	Andrew.
	I can't say what I'm like.
	I feel like it would help this out a bit a little bit.
	Andrew, isn't it the case?
	You know, isn't there like a Bible verse about like women are not supposed to correct men on theology?
	Yes, well, this is according to Paul.
	Oh, my God.
	What, in the Old Testament?
	But no, that's in the New Testament.
	You know what the book of Paul is, right?
	You know what Corinthians is?
	You know what Paul wrote, right?
	Dude, one of my favorite verses in the Bible is 2 Corinthians 5, 17, for we all are a new creation in Christ.
	My favorite is Proverbs 21.
	He didn't know who Paul was five seconds ago.
	You want to say what Proverbs is?
	Wait, go ahead, Andrew.
	What is the verse about the not correcting theology of real quick?
	Yeah, pull it up.
	Proverbs 21, 19.
	Better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome analogy.
	Yeah, that's where the quarrelsome.
	I'm not his wife thinking lord.
	Andrew?
	That's just my favorite.
	It has nothing to do with the discussion of hand.
	That's my favorite Bible verse.
	Andrew, I've got a singer of it now.
	Thank you.
	She got me a speaker.
	It's 1 Timothy.
	Stop that.
	1 Timothy.
	Which is still Paul, by the way.
	I knew it's Timothy.
	Of course.
	Wait, by the way, that's 1 Timothy.
	Stop simping.
	Stop simping Timothy.
	It's below the threshold, bro.
	Sorry.
	But anyway.
	Do you want me to read the verse?
	1 Timothy?
	I think it's 1 Timothy 2.12.
	Yeah, do it.
	We want you.
	We want you to read it.
	Do it in your Darth Vader voice, though.
	The red light on it.
	I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man.
	She must be silent.
	Boom-roasted.
	Okay, was this in context of how the women were told not to talk in church because they didn't know the language that they were speaking?
	So they're told instead of like talking with each other to be quiet so the men could hear?
	Is that the context of the verse?
	No, no, that's not the context.
	Who's the church?
	Wait, what do you say?
	Who's the church?
	In Timothy.
	What church was the church?
	No, who is the church?
	I'm asking you who the church is.
	We are the body of Christ.
	Everyone.
	Everyone's the church.
	God is the church.
	Christians are.
	Christians are the church.
	We are the body of Christ, absolutely.
	Okay, so if Christians are the church, then isn't everywhere a church where there's Christians?
	I don't understand what the question is pointing at.
	Okay, so who's the church, Nala?
	Christians, the body of Christ.
	Okay, so then everywhere that Christians are, is that church?
	Everywhere that real Christians are, yes, I believe that we make up the body of Christ and you can have church anywhere.
	So then that means that if everywhere that there are Christians who are together, then this would mean I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man.
	She must be silent.
	And even if that means in church, and church is just referring to bodies of Christians, then would that mean that women are not supposed to teach men?
	They must remain silent?
	They must be silent.
	I don't understand the context of this just because of like before and after question.
	So what are your takes on nuns in that point in the monasteries?
	And that yeah, this is not my worldview.
	I'm asking their worldview.
	I'm not talking about that.
	So the thing is, is a lot of people take what I'm seeing you out of context.
	Yes, because you're not reading before and after this.
	We don't even.
	I don't want me to read before and after this.
	Can I tell you?
	I'd like to read the whole chapter, honestly.
	I come from a church, a denomination.
	Here's the quote before it.
	Hey, she's talking, Andrew.
	She's talking.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over man.
	She must be quiet.
	What it says before that, woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
	Okay, what did you have?
	I come from a denomination, Reformed Presbyterian, where we actually do not permit women to preach.
	We do not have women pastors.
	We don't let them preach.
	We don't allow women to be elders.
	However, that does not mean that women cannot talk to other people outside of the church about God.
	We can still spread the word of God and we can still tell people about that.
	Okay, agreed.
	People who are Christians.
	We've already answered that.
	Okay, so then everywhere you go where there's Christians would be the church.
	Yes, but we are called to speak to the unbelievers.
	If any place you go, which is Christians, by your view then, is church, then that means that any place that women are where there's other Christians who are men, they should not be teaching them, right?
	No, you said that.
	Right.
	So do you think that just everybody's a pastor?
	It's literally a logical entailment of this position.
	There's like that.
	Sorry, God moved on.
	Sorry.
	I mean, look, I've been pretty generous with the time that's been given to non-dating related topics when it comes to religion.
	I just, I have to move it on at this point.
	And we're very far behind.
	You know what, Andrew?
	I'm just offering.
	No more.
	No more.
	what's up i just think that we can oh my god we can talk later maybe Yes, that's all.
	I was going to say, no more about the topic right now.
	How long are you in Santa Barbara for, Nala?
	Literally till tomorrow night.
	Oh, you're leaving.
	Stick around.
	Stick around.
	Come join our election day stream.
	It's not a dating talk.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I have another podcast in Texas.
	Andrew can join that one.
	Jesus.
	Okay, so.
	I'd rather actually just do a straight-up debate, just a call-in debate with you 1v1 with a moderator where you can't evade questions, you can't lie, pivot, you can't straw man, you can't bullshit.
	That's what I would prefer.
	Oh, I'm so down.
	Oh, both together.
	I love that.
	Both together.
	I would love that.
	Oh, yeah, we need to get your husband.
	I'll pay for your stay.
	We'll do it later.
	I'm sorry.
	No, you can't pay for my other podcast to be redone.
	Wait, what?
	But hey, I'll give Brian my phone number so he can pass it along to you and we'll set something up.
	You guys can figure it out.
	Let's set a date.
	Let's set a day right now.
	Let's talk about dating.
	That way you do it live and you can't later go, you know, I change my mind.
	I never said that.
	I never said that.
	You won't do it?
	What part of this do you not understand?
	Okay, so let's set a day right now.
	Let's set a day.
	What day do you want to do?
	What do you got next week?
	She doesn't have her calendar on the phone.
	I literally do not have my phone.
	Otherwise, I could tell you.
	You have Monday?
	Okay, you guys got to figure this out off stream.
	I'm sorry, but okay, so final thing on this 10 thing.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time, starting with you, Nala Guy?
	I have no idea.
	Honestly, I hope so, but age, ah, age takes place, and probably not, no.
	Okay.
	Do I look better in 10 years?
	Would you look better?
	Wait, so hold on.
	I don't know if I got the straight answer here.
	Nala, you're 26.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 36?
	No, obviously.
	I'm in my 20s.
	Like, these are the best times of my life right now.
	Okay.
	True.
	I mean, if I'm going to take good care of my body, good care of my skin, that's important right now.
	It has been important since I was like 15, 16.
	I will definitely be good looking at that time.
	But better looking.
	But better looking?
	I think we're peaking in our 20s.
	Okay, so not better looking at 30.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 20.
	Would you be better looking in 10 years' time at 30?
	I don't think so.
	Looking at my parents.
	Sorry, mom.
	I just don't see it happening.
	Even if I do take care of myself, I'm not Avro Levine.
	Like, I'm not going to.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're 34.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 44?
	No.
	And then you're 34.
	Were you better looking at 24?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You're 19.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 29?
	No.
	Okay, you're 22.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 32?
	No.
	Okay, you're 21.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
	I hope so, but probably not.
	Okay.
	33, better looking in 10 years' time at 43.
	No.
	And then were you better looking at 23 than you are now at 33?
	Definitely.
	Okay.
	That was a simple one.
	Let's see.
	What about you, Brian?
	You think you're going to look better in 10 years?
	Pull up my Instagram.
	Pull up my Instagram.
	Wait, what did you look like at 25?
	Yeah, we'll pull up a photo.
	Can we see this?
	Yeah, sure.
	I was better looking when I was younger.
	I'm 35.
	I'm definitely not going to be better looking in 10 years' time.
	Yeah, so better looking 10 years ago.
	I feel like men age better, though.
	Scroll down.
	That's a lot.
	I like the donkey.
	That's me.
	Is that you as a kid?
	Oh, why?
	Go with me.
	I'm handle.
	So, okay.
	The surfing ones, I was like, probably, I don't know.
	Wait, actually, isn't he tens of dogs?
	Can you smile, bro?
	That's me.
	Can you smile?
	Looks like the guy.
	Smell their tears in one of my favorite.
	They're just telling you that.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up a bit.
	Scroll down.
	That is nice.
	I don't know.
	That me with the.
	That is him, you guys.
	The black tank top.
	I was probably 20 there.
	I was like, that's his YouTube.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	This is like a fake profile.
	This is me.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's better looking.
	Look, you have changed drastically.
	Yeah, bro.
	I'm chubby now.
	Are you wearing a crop top?
	Stressful.
	Yeah!
	Well, that was her video, you know?
	So that excuses it, right?
	Oh, my God!
	Brian.
	Wow.
	You're an angel.
	They're in love.
	What the fuck?
	We're hyping you up.
	All right, scroll up.
	What else we got?
	Hyping up his past self.
	Your eyes are really blue.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's a better looking.
	It's a baby.
	Wow, you look so different.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, what's a good idea?
	It's a facial hair.
	I think it's a facial hair.
	It is.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It is.
	I got the beard.
	And I got about two years of more cortisol than most of you.
	I know, I know, yeah.
	You know, fucking lifetime.
	Stress will do that.
	I feel like people with blue eyes look younger in general.
	That's what I think.
	I really do.
	They just look younger.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	You got white walker eyes.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Clean eyes.
	She got them nice, clean eyeballs.
	Oh my God.
	I feel like blue with white on the inside of them.
	Yeah, you got it.
	That's so magical.
	Piercing.
	Like, you're going to fucking crush like a baby.
	Really?
	I am amazed.
	You look like you're going to shoot lasers out of your eyes.
	Really?
	Bags in her bag.
	She's like, I love it.
	She looks at you.
	I love this.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Oh, we haven't done the bear question in a while.
	So, here is a question.
	So, would you're you're in the forest, you get spawned into a forest.
	There's two buttons in front of you.
	You can either spawn a random man or a random bear.
	You're going to cross paths with either the man or the bear.
	No matter what.
	No matter what.
	Which do you pick?
	The man or the bear?
	The man.
	I say strapped.
	Bear.
	The bear?
	Yes.
	What kind of bear?
	It's a random bear.
	So it could be a black bear or a polar bear?
	Yes.
	Which one comes?
	See, that's unfair.
	I feel like that's unfair, though.
	Okay, so it's random.
	So, of all the bears in the United States.
	Okay.
	It could be Smokey Bear, bro.
	He's a nice bear.
	It's all good men or Winnie the Pooh.
	Good men, bad men.
	Good bear, bad bear.
	Yep.
	I feel like my chances with finding a man that's not going to kill me is higher than finding my chances with a bear that's not going to kill me.
	Yeah.
	So I think I'm going to go with the man.
	Okay.
	Uh, man.
	Why'd you pick bear?
	Why do you pick?
	Sorry.
	Maybe we're like cool buddies at the end of something.
	Maybe he's like, you think you're going to double up the bear?
	Yeah.
	Either Riz the bear.
	Is that what you're thinking?
	Yeah, she's German.
	She's tough.
	She's a tough girl.
	Yeah, have you guys seen the movie Meredith or whatever?
	Exactly.
	Whichever one is.
	I'm using cocaine bear.
	Cocaine bears, okay?
	That's such a good idea.
	Oh my goodness.
	All right, let me get into the pre-show notes finally.
	We have quite a few notes from everybody.
	Let's just go to Nala really quick.
	Did you say your denomination, really quick, when it came to Malika?
	I'm non-denominational.
	I'm non-denominational.
	Okay.
	You said that there's actually a couple videos that I just wanted to pull up.
	Let me just get those done.
	Can you pull up the videos from Nala?
	There's two on Instagram.
	Yeah.
	No audio on it, please.
	It's a great audio.
	Probably copyright.
	Yeah, copyright, unfortunately.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that works.
	Play it.
	All right, this is you getting baptized.
	Yay.
	We did the boys.
	Ooh, and the red.
	I take full credit for this, by the way.
	Why?
	I take all the credit.
	For what?
	This was totally me and Andrew's doing, right?
	Definitely not Andrew.
	We definitely, definitely Andrew.
	Definitely Andrew.
	God, no.
	We helped.
	I promise you, Andrew was nowhere in my universe of thinking when I got baptized.
	Not when you got baptized, but because you got baptized.
	Next.
	Next one.
	What's the other Instagram tab?
	You can close that one.
	Nope.
	Scuffed.
	Did your hair dye start bleeding when you did that?
	Oh, yeah.
	Everywhere.
	I felt so bad.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Here, refresh the page.
	Refresh the page.
	I remember you now.
	Now I recognize that.
	Look, we did the boys.
	Obviously, taking credit on it.
	Okay, all right.
	So that's cool.
	I did want to talk to you briefly on this, not really dating related, but earlier on in the show, you mentioned that all these OF creators, including yourself, you kind of, you know, you exaggerate things or you'll make things up because clickbait, whatever, your words.
	You're out of the industry now.
	Yeah.
	So I feel like you're probably free to talk about some of this stuff.
	Yeah.
	What's the tea?
	What are the dark secrets?
	You know, we'll have girls who've come on the show.
	They probably cap about their earnings.
	They cap about stories, these anecdotes, because they think they can get low.
	I'm telling you, it's all clickbaited.
	So, do you know this girl?
	There's this girl who we might have on the show, but they're like, say they'll sleep with like 100 guys in a day.
	Yeah.
	Maybe that's it.
	There's this one girl going around lately.
	Lonnie.
	Do you know who that is?
	Lolly or something?
	Loli.
	I don't know, but she just was like, I just slept with 101 guys in one day.
	It's like bullshit.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if hers is bullshit.
	Again, I'm not here sitting here going to call anybody a liar.
	I don't know.
	I'm not in their life.
	I have no idea.
	Sure.
	I mean, I just know the internet is fake.
	You don't need to speak about like any specific people, but I want to get the intel.
	I want to get the scoop.
	So, like, what are the dark secrets of being an online strumpet?
	See, I used a nice.
	I appreciate that.
	Strumpet.
	Thank you.
	I think the biggest one that men are being fed the lie that they're speaking to the girl and they're not.
	Oh, yeah.
	I brought that up on the show, though.
	They're not.
	The chatters.
	They're being talking to chatters.
	Yeah.
	And I hope that discourages people from being on OnlyFans and being on any porn site is that you are not speaking to the girl.
	You are speaking to probably a middle-aged man acting like the girl selling you stuff.
	Yeah.
	Outsourced people, maybe in India.
	India.
	Being outsourced, who like you don't have full account, like you don't have like full ownership of your account.
	It is yours to pull money out of.
	However, people are running it for you because you have such a high demand and you are the content creator.
	You go out and make content.
	You are the viral person.
	This is why I went on so many podcasts is to go viral so that I made more money.
	My job wasn't to message all the people.
	Dude, I had like 107,000 subscribers at one point.
	I couldn't talk to all of them.
	And at the time, it seemed like the right idea.
	However, now, obviously, since I'm out, things are very different.
	And I understand that I hurt a lot of people.
	And I literally cause men to sin, stumbling through sin, lusting after me, probably cheating on their spouse.
	More than definitely, cheating on their spouse, cheating on their girlfriend, like masturbating.
	Like that's what I did.
	And that's like a sin that I've carried for since I got off OnlyFans and got baptized.
	Like this has been a huge conviction on my heart.
	And if I could apologize again to any male who had my OnlyFans and I caused you to sin or cause you to stumble, I want to give you a heart like just an apology because like you didn't deserve that.
	But if it can get you off of OnlyFans, letting you know that you are not actually talking to the girl, get off of OnlyFans.
	You are not speaking to the girl.
	Maybe in some cases you are.
	Maybe in some very small, tiny creator circle, you are speaking to the girl who has like 100 followers.
	But in general, you are not.
	There are men pimping girls out, answering their DMs, getting a huge cut of what they make on OnlyFans.
	Like that is the darkest secret I have for you guys.
	It's not good tea.
	It's just the truth.
	And it's just like, it's a really hard reality to face, especially when you're sitting there being vulnerable in front of a screen and literally speaking to a middle-aged man.
	I almost, this thought crossed my mind when it came to like the fraud, when it comes to like the typers and chatters.
	It's like, is there any potential civil liability?
	Like, could some attorney bring like a class action lawsuit?
	Absolutely.
	Because basically, like you said, pretty much most of these OF girls, they're not responding to the messages.
	They were signed in contracts.
	And they could not speak about it or they would get sued.
	So it's widespread fraud.
	Widespread.
	And then OnlyFans, the company itself, to some degree, like OnlyFans partners with these agencies to do it.
	Like is there a money?
	Is like AI coming?
	I actually have no idea.
	Because like AI.
	I got out like eight months ago.
	I have no idea.
	But like the AI.
	I'm sure it probably is.
	So at this point, they could, instead of paying like a person, an AI bot, could probably do that.
	Yeah.
	But like the, I think the fraud comes when the women are saying, no, I don't have that.
	I mean, I still think it's wrong, even if they're not like, you know, they're not making the claim that it's me who you're talking to.
	But dude, I fucking hate these people.
	But if they're actually making the affirmative claim that you're speaking to me, but it's actually a typer or it's AI, but they're saying, no, you were talking to me.
	No management.
	None of this bullshit.
	The only thing is, it's hard to prove.
	That would be the issue.
	It's hard to prove.
	I mean, in the lawsuit, you just do discovery.
	And then like OnlyFans has to have a lot of people.
	But the agencies could completely deny it.
	They could be like, oh, no.
	In this case, this was actually happening.
	They could deny it.
	But there's paper trail.
	These people are getting paid.
	There's conversations.
	There's emails.
	Attorneys would just find this in discovery.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	And the biggest trigger here is OnlyFans.
	OnlyFans hired or partnered with these companies to do this.
	Like, that is it.
	Like, it's not like OnlyFans doesn't know this is going on behind their back.
	OnlyFans absolutely knows this.
	And just within, like, what?
	Last year, 2023, they made $3 billion off of girls on OnlyFans.
	Like, that's crazy.
	So I definitely think there could be some like class action that targets like the top creators on OnlyFans.
	I mean, they could target all the creators on OnlyFans that are doing this, but also they target OnlyFans directly for being complicit.
	They could target the agencies because the girls mostly don't even know it because like, so like they know there's chatters, obviously, but the only, it's OnlyFans producing the message that you're actually speaking to the girls.
	The girls aren't like most of the time, I never said that I was speaking to you.
	I just said, hey, I make explicit content, which that's what I did.
	I do think a lot of men are getting defrauded on this front, but is and is there wait, any of the girls here have an OFF?
	Do you ever had OF or any kind of sex work, feet pics, any of that shit?
	Okay.
	You have OF, right?
	Yes.
	And you do BG content?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I'm chatting.
	I do.
	All by myself.
	I do.
	Because I have...
	Stop the cap!
	Wait, so Nala.
	Yeah.
	This girl sitting right next to you, she does OF.
	She's being a D-Gen.
	You're going to get her out?
	What's up?
	I don't know.
	I don't know her life.
	I can't call her out for anything.
	I have no facts in front of me.
	I just have what she says.
	She has OF.
	That's the fact.
	Yeah, she has OF, but I also said that some small creators are actually doing it.
	Not every creator is going to be able to do it.
	I moved off of the typer thing.
	I'm not saying call her out on that.
	I'm saying, don't you want to see this girl sitting next to you doing something?
	Absolutely, I do.
	But I can't do it by forcing her.
	She can either give her the game.
	The game.
	The game.
	There is no game.
	Not the game.
	Give her the, I don't know.
	I'm trying to be cool or whatever.
	Well, like, at the end of the day, it's her decision.
	She can see someone like me that's moved on and she can listen to my testimony or she could absolutely message me, call me.
	We can have a great conversation outside of this podcast about what God's done in my life and see if that changes what she wants to do with hers.
	But in no way, shape, or form can I force her to do that.
	That is the first time.
	So you can't cry.
	I can't force her to do it.
	But are you?
	Would I love that?
	Absolutely.
	Like a little elbow, like, hey, Fraulein.
	Crawling.
	Cut that shit out.
	She can absolutely do that.
	And yeah, you can definitely cut that shit out.
	Absolutely.
	You don't need this and you are way more worthy than this.
	You are bringing dishonor.
	Shut up, Brian.
	I'm bringing joy and happiness.
	Through cooming?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's pleasure.
	Normally we save.
	Normally we save this for the end of the show, but I'll just do it now.
	It's so hot in here.
	I would like to extend to you.
	You got a friggin' sweater on.
	I understand.
	Are you wearing something else?
	This is a thing I know.
	And no.
	You're butt naked under there?
	Do you want like appropriate?
	No.
	You want that?
	Yes, girls do that all the time.
	Yeah, I've done that too.
	It's a hoodie.
	Like, you can't see anything if I don't wear anything under it.
	So, okay.
	Call to action for you.
	Oh, it's that Pearl in the chat.
	Oh, dude, I totally accept Pearl.
	Let's go.
	This girl's been talking about me.
	What's up, Pearl?
	Thank you.
	Hi, Pearl.
	I'm a big fan.
	Thank you for super chat, Pearl.
	Hi, Pearl.
	There you go, Pearl.
	Thank you, man.
	Call to action for you.
	We need a day, though.
	We need a day.
	Bro, I'm literally running a company.
	Andrew, I'm totally fine with that.
	I'm totally fine with that.
	But we're literally.
	Haven't said one.
	I have barely said one word.
	You're already cutting just one second.
	The reason that we need a day, the reason that we need a day is because here's what happens, right?
	Is you will agree.
	You'll say, yeah, sure, you know, your people call my people, blah, I just said call me.
	And then what happens is one side makes up a bunch of bullshit or they decide to have second thoughts or this or that.
	What I've never seen, though, is anybody ever back out of a show except for Dean Withers.
	Dean Teeth.
	Where they actually agree to do it live on a day and then fail to show up on the day.
	So I'm asking for a day for Pearl Davis versus Nala and a day for Nala and Nala's husband versus Andrew Wilson in a moderated debate.
	I'm totally fine with that.
	But one, I do not give you a day.
	I'm willing.
	Give me a day.
	I'm so willing.
	One, three, four.
	Number one.
	I don't even know what day it is.
	Number two, we are, I literally am traveling for the next week and a half.
	And then number three, we have.
	I don't care.
	I don't even know what day three weeks from now is.
	Okay.
	So give me, read me a calendar off or something.
	I'll give you some days.
	Hang on.
	I'm going to give you some days.
	You need to give me like a.
	Wait, Andrew.
	You're coming to Santa Barbara for December, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But hang on, hang on.
	I'm not coming back.
	All right, right.
	So you're traveling the whole next week.
	How about Tuesday, the 12th of November?
	Tuesday, the 12th of November.
	Wait, you're here tomorrow, right?
	Nala?
	Of course.
	You're here tomorrow, right?
	I'm here in the morning.
	My flight outside at 11.
	Okay.
	Or the 13th, Wednesday.
	I have a podcast with this kid named Brian on the 13th, and then we're going to do some shooting with our clothing on the 14th.
	Great.
	So then Friday, the 15th.
	Guys, can you do this on the show?
	This is what I'm asking.
	For me, I just need to see.
	One, I'd love to talk to my husband.
	Number two, I'd love to pick a date.
	You think I'm just going to back out, but oh my God, I want to talk to you about this so bad.
	You will back out, I promise.
	What a doubter.
	She needs her phone.
	Be able to know what her speaker is.
	She's like, I literally don't even know what's on my phone right now.
	And you're just mad because you have your phone in front of you and can pick a date.
	So I'm like, please make this fair.
	And so I wish you could go get your phone.
	Can I have my phone, Brian?
	And one, I would, like I said, I'd love to speak to my husband.
	Pick a date live.
	That way she can't back away from me or Pearl.
	How about this?
	How about this?
	I will post a video right after this, and I'm going to be like, hey, listen, I'm going to pick a date with Brian.
	You can literally scream.
	But I don't even understand this because, hold on.
	Well, I don't even understand this because even if she were to pick a date, it wouldn't be legally binding.
	There would be no.
	He's just mad that he thinks I'm going to back out.
	But like for right now, I want, again, I would love, I'm not they, number one.
	Anyway, so I would love to pick a date.
	One, speaking to my husband when his schedule is freed up too, because you invited my husband.
	I don't know what his schedule is like either.
	Doesn't have to be your husband.
	I would love my husband to be involved and not like two against one.
	Thank you.
	Well, that would be two against.
	That would be YouTube versus me.
	No.
	That would be, because you said Pearl against me and then you against my husband.
	It has nothing to do with me.
	He meant separate.
	Like, Pearl and him are separate.
	Oh, okay.
	It has nothing to do with me.
	Well, I didn't know that.
	I'm happy to do a 1v1.
	I'm fine with that.
	How about this?
	Or a 2v1?
	Once again, I'm trying to offer something.
	Let me post on my story right after this.
	After I get my phone, I'll be like, listen, me and Andrew are going to be doing a debate.
	Time to be announced kind of thing.
	And you can screen record that, post it all over the place.
	I don't care.
	I'm willing to have it.
	I'd love to have a conversation with my husband.
	And I would love to see my calendar.
	This is perfect.
	I agree.
	How about just you'll commit to a bait within the next three weeks?
	Agreed.
	Handshake versus.
	Is that agreed?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That was great.
	What a day.
	That was great.
	Wow.
	Wait, did I, did we get the call to action here?
	Did I do the call to action?
	Call to action to you.
	Will you consider stopping doing OnlyFans tonight?
	Just tonight.
	Right now.
	On the show, on the whatever podcast.
	You got to delete your OnlyFans?
	No.
	I tried.
	What if you didn't delete it, but like you kept the money that like you continuously made from the videos?
	No.
	We tried.
	I tried.
	We tried.
	We tried.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, wait.
	Sorry, guys.
	There was a couple chats or just one chat from Ogle.
	Thank you, Ogle.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Ogle donated $200.
	If someone sent Chair One a receipt saying they spent money on her off, would she be willing to refund them as repentance?
	Taking into account taxes, etc.
	How about a 25% refund just for her cut?
	No, because you still receive my content.
	Someone looked at your content.
	Did you not get something in return?
	Thank you, Ogle.
	I do appreciate your TTS.
	Thank you so much, man.
	We have Sean Davis from New Zealand.
	Thank you, man.
	Hey, Brian, I'm in New Zealand and I've been watching the show for a few months and love it, especially when Andrew is a guest and OF is the topic.
	Hey, Sean, appreciate it all the way from here.
	I got something before you did.
	Boom.
	Huge rugby ball.
	Boom.
	New Zealand Rugby World Cup.
	Yeah, yeah.
	2011.
	Thank you, man.
	Hope you're on there.
	Where are you at?
	Christchurch?
	Where are you at?
	Where's the capital?
	What's the crap?
	Crap.
	Capital.
	Sorry.
	I keep speaking.
	What's the capital of New Zealand, isn't it?
	Auckland.
	Auckland.
	Thank you.
	Damien.
	W. Damien with the clutch.
	Hi, guys.
	TTS200.
	If you want to get it in.
	Oh, we have another one coming in right now.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Graffito.
	Graffito Tank donated $199.
	Nala, you're lecturing to Andrew about how he should act.
	Basically telling him he's practicing Christianity wrong shows an extreme lack of humility.
	Pride goeth before a fall.
	Ring any bells?
	So, but it's okay for Andrew to make false claims and literally lie.
	I mean, what did I lie about?
	You said that I shoved 50 dicks in my mouth?
	How many of you did that?
	Just clarify.
	Dude, I slept with three guys during the five years I was on OnlyFans.
	I was single for the last almost two years of my OnlyFans.
	So it's hyperbole.
	But okay.
	Like, I don't know the precise amount of dicks that you've had in your mouth.
	It's just many more dicks than you should have in your mouth.
	So this is the thing.
	I literally said that I slept with, I literally said that I slept with 23 to 25 people.
	So how does 23 to 25 people equate to 50 dicks in my mouth?
	Do the math, Andrew.
	It's hyperbole.
	I don't know how many people you've slept with.
	I have no idea.
	NIU.
	Thank God.
	Yeah, well, I don't even understand where that came from.
	I don't know.
	Well, because you're making an assumption based on the story.
	I also don't understand.
	Why is this the go-to, especially for former prostitutes, to always assume that men want to sleep with them?
	I never did.
	Oh, my God.
	AIDS-ridden prostitutes.
	I don't want to sleep with AIDS-ridden prostitutes.
	Dude, no one wants to sleep with you either.
	I'm sorry, but like, why say that?
	Why assume that I want to sleep with you?
	Where did that come from?
	I've been married for 10 plus years.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	But no, you're literally acting like I wanted to sleep with you.
	I'm like, ew, no.
	You brought it up.
	You immediately brought it up.
	Thank God they weren't.
	Where did I bring it up?
	Ladies, please.
	I'm literally talking to a delusional person right now.
	When did I ever say I wanted to sleep with you or even assumed it?
	I didn't say that you said that.
	You brought up this.
	What you said was, thank God they weren't you.
	As though there's some type of imperative that every man wants to sleep with age-ridden prostitutes.
	They don't.
	Age-ridden, dude, I'm 26.
	Get off your high horse.
	No, it's not a high horse.
	Why do they, why do you think why are you sitting in a sleeve?
	So you think I'm old at 26?
	You said 80.
	On a bunch of SGs.
	You said AIDS-ridden.
	So look at you making false assumptions.
	Once again, you called me a pathological liar.
	And then you're literally over here saying I had 50 dicks in my mouth, saying that I have eights when you have no proof of any of that.
	So doesn't that make you a liar?
	Answer my question, Andrew.
	Doesn't that make you a liar?
	No, of course not.
	On both counts.
	I am not in this conversation.
	Possibly that use of hyperbole is to demonstrate the absurdity of what somebody else is saying.
	But saying it as a fact.
	To be precise, it's supposed to be hyperbolic.
	That's the point.
	Saying it as a fact.
	Deliver a point home that's generally true enough, and that's why you use hyperbole.
	Like, for instance, sex workers are filled to the brim with STDs.
	That's hyperbole.
	Now, that's funny.
	Does that mean that all sex workers have STDs?
	Well, of course not.
	But it's true enough.
	You do understand that normal people have STDs.
	Nobody wants to fuck a bunch of H widdle prostitutes.
	Yes, that's correct.
	Was there anything else that you wanted to add?
	Oh, so many things.
	But I think we should talk about this on our debate in about three weeks.
	That guy slingshots smoking your cigarette.
	Thank you, Slingshot.
	Much respect for you, Nala, and the change that you've made in finding Christ again.
	Super proud of you.
	Keep up the good work.
	Thank you.
	Don't let anybody else.
	The non-divine one that lets her in?
	I mean, which Christ?
	Which Christ does she worship?
	All right, moving on to the show notes.
	Thank you, Slingshot.
	Appreciate it.
	Why don't we go to Twitch really quick?
	We'll do another Twitch shout out here.
	Guys, you got to go to twitch.tv slash.
	Oh, we got a couple Reacts.
	Let's do the.
	Okay, do Twitch.
	We'll do Reacts.
	Go ahead.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Guys, we're trying to get to 95,000.
	We need just about 200 followers before the end of the show.
	Guys, drop us a follow, please.
	If you're watching, if you're on Twitch, drop us a follow.
	If you're on YouTube, open up another tab.
	Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Guys, also check if you have a Prime sub available.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
	Quick, creepy way to support the show every single month.
	Let's see.
	Seven, thank you for the Prime Killer.
	Thank for the Tier 1.
	Jefferson, thank for the Prime.
	Nunchie Cat, thing for the Prime.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	And we do have Rifhorse, thank for the follow, Grill, thank for the follow, Devious.
	Thank you for the follow.
	Rare, thank you for the follow.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you, thank you.
	We have the dating apps.
	Let's do the dating app reaction here.
	And you check them, right?
	It's clean.
	They're clean?
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	We'll get those going.
	So this is Nora, right?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, kiss on the neck.
	Next.
	Life goal of mine, being successful as an actress.
	Next, I go crazy for creating content together.
	Like porn.
	No, any kind of content.
	Like, on TikTok, just with my gay best friend, Dance Mitty.
	Oh, okay.
	Is there another one?
	No.
	Oh, that's it?
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that was.
	None of the pictures were loading, but that's because.
	Okay.
	And then we have Alanis.
	Alanis.
	Alent.
	Alanis.
	Oh, pop-a.
	I love the makeup.
	The makeup easy.
	Thank you.
	That's from Brena Sheikh from Sheikh Studios.
	I'm going to say we were talking about earlier.
	Gassing each other up.
	Okay.
	Next.
	What's going to be hot, though?
	Dude, that takes skill to do the eyeliner.
	No Quero.
	No Quero Paris.
	I don't want to lose my hair.
	Pear Dare me Tiempo Otrabase.
	Did I say that right?
	I think that's why I was my time.
	That means I don't want to waste my time again.
	Green flags.
	She looks for, knows how to dance, has a humor, patience, goes to the gym, goes to the foodie, travel.
	Spoiling me.
	Good with kids.
	Yeah.
	Spoiling.
	Okay.
	I never like.
	That's a lot.
	I feel like, hold on, wait, Hold on, really quick.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, bitch, all these rooms.
	Okay, go back to it.
	Next.
	Spanish, some stuff.
	That's Portuguese.
	Oh, okay, my bad.
	It's Portuguese.
	Yeah.
	My bad.
	What does it say?
	Oh, it's, oh my gosh.
	But, like, my dad used to say it all the time when he'd get annoyed.
	So now I say it, like, all the time.
	Next.
	Meda pena.
	What is that?
	Pena, meda pena.
	Like, I get, like, embarrassed.
	Oh, wait.
	You get embarrassed.
	I get embarrassed when people pay stuff for me.
	Like, I feel bad.
	Like, because I've always had, like, I don't feel like I'm worthy sometimes for it.
	So, but yet, again, no one's paid for shit for me.
	Okay, next.
	That's it.
	Wait, go back to, if you can.
	Wait, but hold on.
	Green flags I look for spoiling me.
	Go forward to.
	You get embarrassed when people pay for anything.
	How do you reconcile these two?
	So, like, I think it's because I want somebody to do it.
	Like, that's like the green flags.
	Like, because I'm going to, because that's kind of in our, like, in our culture, like, no, like, it's okay.
	Like, all this stuff.
	Like, in my culture, it's more like the women service like everybody before themselves.
	So I'm like, no, no, no, no, I got it.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	But I really want somebody to be like, like, assertive and be like, no, I got it.
	And I got this for you and this and that.
	Like, I want to feel that.
	Like, that's how it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got a couple chats.
	That guy Slingshot donated $199.
	The one and only Jesus Christ.
	Yo, Slingshot, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you so much.
	We have.
	Yeah, that guy Slingshot.
	If you have the ontology incorrect or the epistemology incorrect as to the nature of what Jesus Christ is and what his gospel is, then we're not worshiping the same deity or we don't have the same Christ.
	It's the same thing with God.
	It's how you know that the Muslim God is not the Christian God.
	It's how you know that the God that modern Jews worship is not the Christian God.
	It's how you know this.
	It's because you're looking at the ontology and the being of what this God is.
	And that's why the characteristics are so important.
	That's why the Trinity is so important.
	That's why these things are so important to dissect and discuss.
	Okay.
	Thank you for that slingshot.
	We have Wotan here.
	50 hot dogs is obviously worse than 25.
	However, 25 hot dogs makes the single hot dog trying to make you a wife you skeptical.
	Huh?
	I understand.
	Hmm.
	50 hot dogs is worse than 25.
	Oh, of course it makes you like skeptical, but.
	Oh, hot dogs.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	I was like, wait.
	All right.
	Then we got one coming in for me here.
	WTF Undusk O'Brien donated $200.
	Something's off tonight.
	I've never seen you cut off Andrew like this, not letting him engage.
	What's going on, man?
	OMG, Andrew, just leave.
	Looks like Brian's not going to let you set up any debates.
	Well, I mean, okay, there's a couple things here.
	I'm the host of the show.
	I move everybody along.
	Sometimes I have to move things.
	If Andrew's talking, I got to move it along.
	If somebody else is talking, I got to move things along.
	We have a lot to get through.
	We haven't even really gotten into any of the pre-show notes.
	This is a panel.
	There's nine people here at the table, 10, if you're including Andrew.
	I try my best to try to bring other people in.
	Some people really haven't much had much opportunity to speak tonight.
	To be courteous to the panelists, again, there's nine panelists.
	I have to cut people off.
	I have to move things on.
	It's the nature of a fast-paced show.
	And I don't, I mean, this whole thing about like not letting him engage.
	We've been live for four and a half hours.
	I'm pretty sure I allotted at least two hours to theological conversation.
	This fucking show.
	And like, I let it go on for a decent amount of time.
	But it's a dating discussion show.
	The panelists probably did not anticipate that this would be such a theologically heavy conversation.
	There's atheists here at the table who probably don't give a fuck.
	I'm happy to assist with facilitating Andrew and Nala having a debate where they can get stuff.
	And not on your panel.
	And when it comes to the scheduling stuff, I think that that typically can be handled off camera.
	I don't think it needs to be done on camera.
	So I mean, I get a lot of criticism for the way I conduct the panels.
	It's not a simple job.
	There's not a handbook on how to do a live dating discussion panel, often with people who are not media trained, who it's their first time ever being on camera, who ever spoken into a microphone.
	I do my best, and it is what it is.
	I mean, I don't know what else to say.
	I moderate as best as I can, and I try to give as much room as I can.
	I'm pretty confident if you tallied up the total amount of conversation that was dedicated to strictly theology, it was probably two hours tonight.
	Half of the fucking show.
	Get off my fucking case, dude.
	God damn.
	Holy shit.
	It's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
	Like, either, oh, Brian, I get all the comments, either let things drag on for too long or, oh, he doesn't give it enough space.
	It's like, I don't know what I always get, I get criticized over about everything.
	Yeah, no, you can't.
	You can't please everyone, no matter what you do.
	It's okay.
	So, yeah, I don't know.
	Brian has spoken.
	There it is.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	What do we have?
	Let's get into the notes.
	Wait, Jessica.
	That's me.
	Okay.
	You said you're a singer.
	I am.
	Oh, can we hear something really?
	Oh, please.
	Sure.
	I actually practice this.
	This is my, my mom wrote this song.
	Stop.
	Ready?
	Well, I've had a long day.
	I wanna go home.
	Turn on some music and turn off the phone.
	Open the windows and pull down the blinds.
	Take all the pressures and leave them behind and caress me.
	Hold my hand.
	Just caress me till I understand all the simple things are what matter most.
	And I forget the pain.
	caress me and love me again before I forget Andrew I thought you did great on Jubilee just Just wish you could have debated more.
	But you did good when you were able to speak and putting destiny in his place.
	Props.
	Yeah, I watched that.
	I did too.
	Thanks for it.
	I loved it.
	Yeah, that was.
	I saw the Jubilee thing, Andrew.
	That whole format is kind of arslerd, to be honest.
	Yeah, well, there were a lot of cutouts, right?
	So a lot of it got cut.
	I actually think I had more time to debate than most of the people who were there for the two segments that I debated, but they cut and condense.
	It's also really weird, like the in terms of you have to run to the chair.
	I didn't run anywhere.
	And also, like, okay, the people because the chair's on one side.
	So, like, if somebody's coming from the other side of the circle, they're at a disadvantage to getting to the chair.
	The whole thing is just dumb.
	Because they're not.
	So they split the room.
	So they have the right side, the left side of the room, and they only call on one side of the room at a time.
	So if you're on the left side of the room, you have as much chance to get to the chair as everybody on the left.
	If you're on the right, you have as much chance as everybody on the right.
	But I'll tell you a funny story.
	This guy who was there got so overeager on the left side, this is the far side from me, that he got up and ran towards the chair so quickly that he tripped over it and did a nosedive into Glenn Lawrence and bowled them both over and they were on the ground.
	It was the funniest shit you ever heard.
	Not kidding.
	That really happened.
	Damn.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Also, I feel like, what if there's like somebody who's obese?
	Like, I feel like it's very ableist, you know?
	Like, it's going to be harder for them to, like, even if it's the same side of the room, they're not going to run as fast.
	You know, that shit's all for show.
	It's all for show.
	What actually is going on is that people will flag each other in different chairs and be like, okay, are you going next?
	They'll be like, yeah.
	And then they'll make the appearance that they're all getting up to rush towards the chair, but they're not really in just that one person is.
	That's why I just got up and sauntered over.
	I was like, I'm just going to take it.
	Is that like that Charlie Kirk thing that he has?
	The red flag seems raised.
	I love watching those.
	Which I think is so unfair because all times people have good points they're making, and then everyone around them will like raise red flags.
	We're like, oh, they're making too many good points.
	Because they kind of want the conversation to be dumb.
	Sometimes what's really going on, though, is that a lot of that is they condense the entire episode down to an hour and a half or an hour and 45 minutes.
	And so they actually cut out a lot of what happens in a lot of these exchanges and they try to just capture the image of the exchange without giving you every word of it.
	Yep.
	I have a question.
	Do you think that they like manipulated people's opinions like after editing and everything and they posted it?
	I don't know what you're asking.
	As in, like, okay, so do you think that they made someone seem more like extreme kind of, or like, I don't know how exactly to word that?
	No, I think that they did the editing process, when I went back and watched it, right?
	I think that they tried to capture what each side was saying, and they just had to cut certain sections of what was said out without trying to get rid of the idea of what the person was saying.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, so they weren't like making it seem like you had an opinion that you didn't have, kind of.
	It did not appear that way to me, no.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it didn't appear like they were trying to edit it to remove the core of what was being stated, but rather just kind of like anything which was filler or tangential to the point they would cut out.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We have some, let's get into the notes.
	So going to you, Jessica, you said you're pretty sure that your ex is a pathological liar.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He's the father of your youngest son.
	He's from Venezuela.
	And when you met him, he told you he was a pilot flying for United.
	He was 21 at the time, which was catch me if you can.
	Which was suspicious to you.
	He said that he got his license in Venezuela partway through your relationship.
	He told you his mother died from cancer.
	And shortly after her passing, he informed you his mother was attempting to cross the border.
	Correct.
	When you asked him how his mother was suddenly reincarnated?
	Like how, like, didn't she just die of cancer?
	I thought she passed away.
	And he told me that that was not actually his, that like that was his biological mother, but that the mother who was crossing the border was actually his adopted mother.
	Yeah, yeah, his adopted mother, that like the woman that he that was crossing the border with his grandmother and his aunt was like his mother's best friend and he knew her as mother and that was his mother.
	But then like later, in my own just suspicion, because there were so many other like lies throughout the relationship, I just asked his uncle.
	Like I asked his uncle and I was like, hey, you know, who is who is this woman?
	They all don't, none of them speak English, so I had to do it in Spanish.
	But who is this woman?
	He was like, that's his mom.
	And I was like, yeah, no.
	But that's his adopted mother.
	Like, who's his biological mother?
	And he's like, what are you talking about?
	You know, that's his mother.
	She had a C-section.
	Like, she carried him in her womb and all of this stuff.
	And I was like, so, okay, so all just lies, lies and lies and lies.
	Yeah.
	It was crazy.
	There were so many other things, too.
	There was an instance where, like, he, he would do this weird thing where he would just hang up on me, like, in the middle of us talking.
	And then he would ignore my calls for like hours and sometimes days.
	And I would be like, where are you?
	Like, what are you doing?
	Hello?
	Are you there?
	There was one point where I thought when his mother initially died, he dropped off the face of the earth, it seemed, for like a week and a half.
	Like, I didn't hear from him.
	He didn't text me.
	And then finally, when I heard word of him, it wasn't from him.
	It was from someone who said was like his uncle or his cousin.
	And he told me that he had been arrested, that he had flown back to Venezuela to see his mother because she had passed away in Venezuela, and that he was arrested when he got there and that he was in jail.
	And like that's why he couldn't message me and that Jose called him from jail and told him to, sorry, I just dropped his name.
	That he called him from jail and wanted him to contact me.
	And he sent me a bunch of these like articles.
	And I don't know, you guys, if you know anything about what's happening in Venezuela right now, but like Maduro's a dictator and he's crazy.
	Anyway, just lots of little things like that.
	There were many instances where the lies just kept piling on top of each other.
	And then I was pregnant as well.
	Got pregnant.
	You said you think you're slowly turning into an anti-feminist.
	You've been listening to a lot of Andrew and Rachel Wilson.
	Yes, just more of where I think that, you know, not that I think that we as women are lesser, but that we all have our roles, that men share a special role.
	I used to be one of those women, like I used to consume this super feminist content of women just, you know, for lack of a better term, just shitting on men.
	They were just talking about how terrible they were.
	And I would just eat that up.
	I used to love it.
	I don't know why.
	It just made me, I guess, feel better, but now I just complete 180.
	I don't feel that way anymore at all.
	You said that you used to.
	You said that you used to be pro-hookup culture, but now you're against it.
	Yes.
	Same concept.
	Like, I used to, I kind of bought into that idea of like in order to, I guess, just to feel valued or to feel like I was worth something, that I had to do what everybody else was doing.
	I grew up in a really religious household.
	That's why I got married really young.
	I married at 18.
	I was married for, you know, 10 years, seven years, but I was with my ex-husband for seven.
	We were married for seven.
	And when we divorced, I just had this idea in my head that, you know, that I had missed out somehow.
	You know, that all these other girls had got to go through this phase of partying and hooking up.
	And yeah, so I just bought into that.
	And you used to consider yourself a feminist, now you don't.
	Yes.
	Just going around the table, who here considers themselves a feminist?
	No, not at all.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	It's a feminist, feminist.
	Okay.
	And then you said you used to hate Donald Trump and now you love him.
	Yep.
	Same.
	Same thing.
	Like that whole mind rots.
	Just, I used to think he was all the things, like all the things that people like to argue about.
	He was racist, that he was sexist, that he was a predator, that he was all of these things.
	But no.
	Dude, Andrew, I'm reading your chat, and it's like so scathingly, I don't even know where to begin, bro.
	All these women, minus the one who just talked, sound like feminist to me.
	I'll sound like feminists to me.
	How so?
	When we get to these ideas of things like submission, we get to these ideas of these things.
	I suddenly hear a bunch of feminism popping up.
	So I just wanted to point that out.
	Now you guys have any, you can roll your eyes, right?
	But if any of you would like to engage so that I could point out how the likelihood that you're a feminist is basically 100%, I'm happy to do so.
	Well, what would your definition of a feminist be?
	Because a lot of the time it's an extremist point of view, and a lot of people view it as that.
	And it is an extremist point of view.
	Yeah, I'll get the most charitable view that I possibly can.
	It's a movement towards egalitarianism between men and women and the rejection of patriarchal systems.
	Okay.
	That's feminism.
	Well, for me personally, submission is only due to my husband, and that is it.
	I'm not here to submit to any other man other than my husband unless it's like a church leader or someone wiser than me.
	Who's asking you to submit to strangers?
	That's bizarre.
	You're saying submit like women submitting to men.
	So men is other than just by the way, I wasn't even referencing you, Nala.
	You can be quiet for a minute while we're talking, where we're having our conversation.
	So anyway, back where I was before I was so rudely interrupted by the former sex worker.
	If you don't mind, if we can just kind of dive into that, I'd like to ask you what your definition of feminism is.
	I would have the same definition.
	I would say like anti-patriarchal society.
	Yeah.
	I think that the rejection of patriarchy is very key to feminism.
	And so in interpersonal dynamics, when I hear things like mutual submission, I don't think that they're talking about what a traditional role of mutual submission would actually be, right?
	They're talking about the idea of 50-50 or equal, et cetera, et cetera.
	I think that that's a way in which a feminist view modernity.
	Well, I don't think it has to be 50-50.
	It's interchangeable widgets.
	I don't believe that it has to be 50-50.
	If anything, I mean, this is going to be hella controversial, but I don't really care.
	I think women are supposed to kind of submit more just because, I mean, like, think about it.
	Men are the ones with the testosterone.
	They're the ones that are physically stronger.
	They are stronger.
	So if anything, like the woman should be the person to like submit more.
	Like, yes, I think that sometimes a man can be like, yeah, I'm wrong.
	But I also think that, you know, I don't know how to word this.
	I'm bad at putting this into words, but do you guys understand what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	Does that make sense?
	Well, I think not only is Christianity a patriarchal religion, but I think that patriarchy is necessary for societies to flourish.
	I agree.
	I don't even think that societies can exist absent patriarchy.
	Well, because I think that men and women both have their own roles.
	They do.
	Yes.
	Yeah, but let me ask you a question, right?
	This is a question that I always ask every single panel, and I usually get a pretty wide, diverse set of answers, right?
	But let us assume for a moment that you and your husband, you're in decision-making mode, and he tells you something that you think is rational, but it's not immoral, just irrational.
	You think it's irrational.
	So he's asking you to do something.
	Perhaps this has something to do with the school your children go to or something like this.
	He wants to move their school for whatever reason, or perhaps he wants to move for whatever reason.
	He wants to do these things.
	Nothing which is immoral or against your religious convictions, but you just think is a little, you know, like perhaps irrational from your view, or you think it's a bad idea.
	And he says, I don't care.
	We're going to do it anyway.
	Does he have the right to do that?
	And is that what submission means?
	That even when he does do that, you follow his lead.
	Well, I mean, I think that you should like kind of submit to that because if it's something that the man wants to do because it's like something he wants to pursue, like a career, then yeah, I think you should submit to that.
	I think that you should let the man lead, especially if it's for the better of the relationship.
	Okay, well, what does that mean, though?
	If he's making what you think is an irrational decision, he dismisses your thoughts on the irrational decision, but it's not an immoral decision.
	Okay, well, let me bring an example here.
	So my grandfather was going to be on Major League Baseball, but my grandmother said, nope, you're not doing that.
	And he listened to her, and he could have been on a major league baseball team.
	I think that him listening to her is him being kind of a little bitch boy.
	So, like.
	Okay, that's kind of funny.
	Well, going around the table then, right?
	Same question.
	Can I pop in?
	Pop in.
	Okay.
	So, like, for me, I believe the nuclear family.
	I believe my husband has authority over me just because I believe in gender roles.
	Like, my goal, my future job, I always joke about is being a stay-at-home mom because that's my future goal.
	It's like working one day.
	I'm like, I don't know what I want to do because I want to be a mom one day, but I have to find a boyfriend, then be engaged, then be married, and all that stuff.
	But for me, I believe that if he believes our kids shouldn't go to that school, I'm going to talk with him about it and just be like, here's my opinion, here's your opinion.
	Okay, let's talk about it and be like, oh, I get your side.
	Even if it's irrational, I'll probably agree with him.
	I'm just a very agreeable person in most things, not all things.
	But I'll probably be like, okay, you have authority over me.
	I believe in you.
	If you think this is the best choice, this is the best choice.
	But if you're wrong, you have to admit that you're wrong, kind of thing.
	Why does he have to admit he's wrong?
	Just because, like, that was his choice.
	And, like, if I let's say I really disagree with him on something, he chose to do that.
	And let's say it hurt our family somehow.
	I just want to be like, I'm sorry I did that.
	I should have prayed more about it.
	I should have talked to some advisors about it, the pastor about it, or with you more about it.
	But I do believe that he has authority over me and that I should submit to him just because I believe in gender roles in the household.
	So, how do you know the metric of who's wrong?
	So, in this case, you say, if he's wrong, you should admit it.
	Let's say he says, No, I wasn't wrong.
	I was right.
	This was the right move, and you're wrong.
	Well, everyone has a right to their own entitlement, their own opinion about right and wrong.
	That's when I think we should go to advisor and ask them more about it or pray more about it too.
	It makes the determination, right?
	If you're if you're submitted, so as you start to whittle this down, we start to kind of dive into it, right?
	If he's wrong, he should admit that he's wrong.
	So, he looks over at you and he says, Yeah, but I'm not wrong.
	You just think I am, and I don't care.
	Is he in the wrong?
	I'm saying the hypothetical situation.
	Let's say, like, he let our family somehow lost a bunch of money because he chose to invest in something or that he thought was gonna like prevail.
	And then he's like, I'm so sorry, I thought this was gonna do really well, then all of a sudden it didn't.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Not necessarily.
	Well, if he looks at you and he says, Yeah, I made this investment, it went wrong, right?
	But I'm still in the right here.
	I don't think he would say that to me.
	Yeah, but if he did, but if he did, I'd probably be upset about it, but I'd probably get over it because I'm very forgiving of people.
	And I'd probably just be like, Okay, whatever you think is right is right.
	Because once again, I believe in the gender roles.
	And that if I'm marrying someone, like he has to, I have to be submissive to him because I believe in those that nuclear family.
	Okay.
	I also agree.
	I'm with Natalie on this one.
	I have always wanted to be a stay-at-home mom.
	That's my dream.
	I literally told my parents that I'm going to work and then I'm going to find a husband and I'm going to keep working until I'm pregnant.
	And as soon as that baby pops out, I am at home.
	I'll do the cooking.
	I'll do the cleaning.
	I just want to be at home with my children serving my husband.
	And I'm with Natalie.
	I believe in what did you call it?
	A nuclear family?
	Yes.
	A nuclear family where the husband is the head of the household.
	He does all the heavy lifting stuff.
	I do the stuff with the kids.
	I do the carrying.
	I do the laundry, whatever.
	And I agree with her.
	I think that it's one of those things that I want to talk to him about.
	Like, if I think that this is irrational, I'll give my opinion.
	I'll ask, like, okay, why are you making this decision?
	Like, what is your rationality?
	What if he doesn't want to hear your opinion?
	He says, I don't want to hear your opinion.
	Then he'll be a bad husband.
	What type of godly man will not want to hear the opinion of his wife?
	Oh, and you're nodding over there, right?
	Well, so what if he thinks for some reason that even hearing your opinion will second guess a decision he thinks he needs to make?
	So he says, You know what?
	I don't want to hear your opinion on this, and I'm not even going to explain myself.
	What type of awful wife doesn't submit immediately to her husband's authority and let him lead like he's supposed to?
	So you're saying that he doesn't want to give his opinion to me.
	He doesn't want to give me a hundred.
	He would be the leader of the house.
	Why do you make the expectation that leaders have to answer their subordinates?
	Who's the leader and who's the follower here?
	I would at least expect him to love his life.
	That's right.
	So who's in charge then with your expectations?
	Who's in charge?
	Me or you.
	Okay, why would he marry me if he didn't love me?
	Why would he marry me if he didn't at least want to hear me out?
	Okay, how is this a question of love?
	Because if you love someone, you would want to hear them out.
	Wouldn't you?
	Why?
	There's tons of times I don't want to hear out people that I love who are saying stupid things I don't care about.
	Okay, then why would I want to hear out my husband?
	There have been people around who you love who say stupid ass shit that you don't want to hear because it's nonsense.
	Plenty of times in your life you can cope and say, no, there's not, Andrew, there is.
	Right?
	This idea that somebody doesn't love you because they might dismiss an opinion that you have doesn't mean that they don't love you.
	Who's supposed to be in charge here?
	Him or you?
	He is the one who would ultimately make the decision, but as long as I know his reasoning behind it, that is okay.
	If this decision is involving our children together, if it's involving our children together, then that's what it's important.
	It's important.
	It's because I'm the one taking care of his children.
	And I'm the one doing the job for him.
	So you're saying that he would marry me to birth him his children, then he would divorce me because what does submission mean?
	What does it mean?
	I will submit to him because he's my husband.
	I will do what he is.
	Yeah, what does that mean?
	You just use the word to describe the work.
	What does submission itself actually mean?
	Submission would mean that I would do what he wants.
	I would follow what he wants.
	He would obey.
	He would obey.
	Yeah, I guess, yeah, I will obey what he wants.
	Well, then why does the person that you are obeying need to answer to you for your obedience?
	I don't get that.
	Because I would care.
	Because I would care about what's happening.
	He cares too.
	But who's in charge here?
	I thought that submission meant obey.
	I didn't think that submission meant to be aware.
	Do you want to?
	Yes, you need to explain.
	You need to do all of this.
	I thought that it meant obey.
	I thought it meant obedient.
	Would you want your wife to be a silent slave to you?
	That's not silent slavery.
	Yes, it is.
	How?
	If you, okay, submission is, I would listen to you.
	I will do what you want.
	But you have to, you have to.
	Okay, hey, do you know what the servant-vassal treaty between God and man is?
	Do you know what that is?
	The servant-to-vassal treaty.
	God gave stipulations to why the people of Egypt should listen to him because he brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, into freedom.
	And that's why they follow his commands.
	I follow my husband's commands because he'll listen to me.
	I will listen to him because he explains to me his reasoning and I will understand.
	There is a work here.
	It's a treaty.
	Right.
	What happens if he explains his reasoning and you disagree?
	At least I would have known his reasoning.
	At least I wouldn't have been silent.
	I could give my opinion, and if he ultimately decides...
	What happens if you disagree, though?
	Then I will...
	Then I will disagree.
	But at least I will know his reasoning.
	Yeah, so I don't understand.
	If you disagree, are you going to do it anyway?
	It's, you know, knowledge is key.
	I would like to know why.
	Maybe, maybe, maybe.
	Maybe I would agree if I know why.
	Great, but he explains his reasoning and you disagree.
	That's the question.
	So then what happens then?
	I may, okay, I've already answered your question.
	I said I will still go through with it.
	I would allow him to do it.
	Why do you need to know the reasoning?
	Because I would like to, it's curiosity, sure.
	It's a partnership.
	It's a partnership.
	So submission, submission is, I will obey even when I disagree, but you still must tell me to satiate my curiosity.
	That's submission.
	I just would like to know why my husband will make a life decision.
	I would like to know why my husband will make a life-changing decision for my children.
	And if he does not want to tell me, then what type of husband, what type of loving man will he be?
	But that's really at that point.
	At that point, I'm just a slave to him.
	Yeah, this logic makes no sense.
	Your logic makes no sense, sir.
	Yeah, I'm going to explain.
	I'll explain to you.
	Okay, explain no sense here.
	It makes zero sense.
	So if you're saying to me, I'm just a mindless slave who must do what you want, all you're saying in counter to this is, I'm a mindless slave who still must do what you want, but you have to satiate my curiosity.
	So in other words, I'm going to do what you say either way, but as long as you satiate my curiosity as to the slavery, then it's okay.
	How in the world does that make sense?
	God uses the woman just as much as the man in a relationship.
	You are twisting my words.
	No.
	Are you trying to make me look stupid?
	Okay, what I'm saying.
	You're not explaining that yourself.
	Can I explain?
	Can I explain?
	Be polite.
	Can I please explain?
	Let's say that's the school that my children are currently going to.
	He just doesn't, he doesn't like a teacher there for some odd reason.
	He just doesn't like a teacher.
	So he wants to send them to a school that's maybe 20 minutes away compared to this five minutes away one.
	All right?
	That's not, that's like, it's kind of irrational.
	You know, you just don't like a teacher.
	But he talks to me.
	He says, you know, this teacher here at the school, I don't think it's perfect.
	It's good for my kids.
	If I let my kids stay here, then it just won't, it will just harm them.
	It won't be good for them.
	I'll be still be like, it's 20 minutes away.
	It's kind of irrational, don't you think?
	He's like, but yes, at the end of the day, I don't think this teacher is good for my kids.
	And I'll weigh it.
	You know what?
	You're right.
	This teacher might not be good for our kids.
	I understand.
	And I'll take them and I'll take them to that 20 minutes away school.
	What she just said.
	Say, wait, can you repeat that, please?
	She said, I'm going to.
	You're going to weigh what?
	Well, I'm going to say, yeah, I agree.
	Maybe this harmful teacher is more damaging than a 20-minute drive to a school.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So what happens in this situation if you disagree with him and you think his reasoning is off?
	Are you going to do it anyway?
	Honestly, I think that depends on the situation.
	Right.
	Okay.
	There is a lot.
	It's a spectrum.
	It's not really about submission, right?
	It's not really about obedience.
	Right?
	If you think that he's being irrational, right, by whatever metric you decide that is, right, then you will not obey, will you?
	In your idea of submission, you might as well just buy a sex doll and carry that around.
	Because for you, in your idea of submission, you're in charge.
	No.
	In my idea of submission, in my idea of submission, we are working together as a family where I will support him from the sidelines.
	For the man, if you disagree and don't want to do it, what are the consequences for him?
	Say it again.
	What are the consequences for the man if you disagree and don't want to do it?
	What are the consequences for him?
	Yeah, what happens?
	Yeah, what happens?
	Do you expect me to say he'll go sleep on the couch?
	I want to know what, yeah, I want to know what the consequences are.
	We'll talk.
	I've talked about it.
	You and I have talked about it.
	I'm going to get into the hypotheticals.
	He's like, I don't want to talk about it.
	We're done with it.
	I'm doing it this way.
	Okay, then we don't talk.
	Yeah, so then what are the consequences?
	Give me an like what?
	Like what you have to tell me a situation.
	Please tell me a situation.
	I can't just make up a consequence.
	I'm not gonna make a consequence.
	50 lashings.
	Like, what do you want me to say?
	If there's no consequence, then what is the point of you even having an objection?
	So if there's no consequence you're gonna obey anyway, why is there even a need to express the rationality to you to begin with?
	That makes no sense to me.
	If he has something that I don't agree with, I'm gonna let him know.
	I'm the person who will support you from the sidelines, but if you do something wrong, then I will let you know.
	I will tell you.
	I don't understand why that's so confusing to you.
	I'm gonna explain again, right?
	Because all you keep doing is every time we whittle this down, you just reframe and change.
	Can I ask you how old you are?
	How old are you?
	You don't want me to explain it?
	No, I will.
	I just want to know how old you are.
	How old are you?
	I'm 19.
	You were arguing with a 19-year-old.
	I've been homeschooled my whole life.
	I just got to college.
	You're saying that you're too stupid to argue with me?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	But continue, please.
	No, no, no.
	I am trying my best right now.
	You're applying a lot of people.
	If you're too stupid to argue, a 30 to 40 year old man arguing with a 19 year old.
	I'm not arguing with you.
	No.
	Please, no, continue.
	I want to continue this argument because you're helping me grow and understand what I truly want.
	So please, continue.
	I don't see how if you're too stupid to have the argument.
	Oh.
	That's what she just said, not me.
	Why do you get mad at me?
	I asked her.
	You just called her stupid, bro.
	Still, you know, no, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	Why would you get mad at you?
	I'm not stuck at you.
	No, please.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, sure.
	You could call me stupid, but please, let's continue.
	I didn't call you stupid.
	You called you stupid.
	Well, you asked if I was stupid, and I just said just stupid.
	Just to say yes.
	Just to shut you up, I said yes.
	So please, continue.
	Why do you want me to keep talking if you just said you're too stupid to talk to?
	She never said that.
	I never said I'm too stupid to talk to.
	You just assumed.
	Am I in like Twilight Zone?
	Mike, here's the question.
	Are you too stupid to argue?
	Can we continue with this conversation?
	If you tell me, Andrew, I'm too stupid for you to argue with me.
	Why would I keep arguing with you?
	He's just bringing up the age thing because you said that he was arguing with a 19-year-old as if a 19-year-old can't argue with him.
	No, yeah.
	I understand.
	I'm just saying I'm not as experienced in life.
	I haven't been through these situations as you have.
	I've never dated anybody.
	So, yes, I have less experience.
	You are asking me questions that I've never even pondered in my life.
	So you're expecting me to come up with these...
	You're expecting...
	You expecting me to come up with these witty questions.
	I'm trying my best.
	No, I just don't know.
	So please, no, no, I'm begging.
	Please continue.
	I love this conversation.
	Okay, well, I just, I don't understand then if you're that upset because you say I'm 19, you're 40, right?
	I'm not upset.
	If you get this upset by just pondering questions you haven't pondered before, then why have a discussion with anybody who's ever older than you about anything?
	Who said anybody is upset?
	I'm just asking why you're attacking me for something I have not.
	I'll never attack you on.
	You are asking me questions over and over again.
	Oh, and I am trying my best to ask that for you.
	That's an attack to ask you questions?
	What?
	Hold on.
	Just sometimes your voice is very demeaning towards people.
	Oh my God, my tone.
	What's your pearls harder?
	Like, what do you can't ask questions because, oh, your tone offends me?
	Like, what the fuck is this?
	How many people vote?
	Oh, I'm 20.
	I can vote.
	I can tell you that the president is asking questions in a tone I can't take.
	Oh, my God.
	It's the end of the world.
	Get a fucking grip.
	This is the real world.
	I'm going to ask questions because I want the answers to the questions I'm asking.
	Sorry, my tone upsets you, sweetheart.
	Let me go get you a nice big beaded necklace of pearls and you can tug on them every time I use a tone.
	You don't know yourself.
	Oh, Andrew!
	Oh, my Lord, I can't believe that you asked me to do that.
	Are you not tone?
	We'll call him blinky.
	Okay, how about this?
	Instead of continuously asking if I think I'm too stupid, let's just continue with the conversation.
	How's that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So here's the question that I don't understand, right?
	I guess what I'm processing is: if it is true that you're willing to submit to X person, even if they make a rational decision, then why is the necessity even there for them to express the decision to begin with?
	That's what I don't get.
	That's what makes no sense to me.
	Because if he expresses it and you disagree with it, but you're going to do it anyway, then why does he ever need to express it to begin with?
	That's just like, that's bizarre.
	Because I'm his wife and I'm not a slave.
	There's a different person.
	Yeah, but I don't understand then because then the threshold breaker for what would make you a slave is not the task he wants you to do, but rather the fact that he won't tell you why.
	And that I don't understand either, right?
	So if he's like, he's like, he walks in and he's like, clean all this shit up.
	And you're like, why?
	And he goes, well, because I want it cleaned up.
	Well, then he clean it up and you're not a slave.
	But if he walks in and says, clean all this shit up, and you say why, and he's like, don't fucking worry about it, then you are a slave.
	It's like, that makes no, you see how that sounds, right?
	When it's said out loud?
	You do understand that most things are situational, right?
	There's just, there's so many different matrix situations that these, what your example, it could be different in, and your example could work in.
	So I think it's very all situational.
	So that's why I chose the one with my school because that's like, it kind of like, it's what I would understand.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you something?
	Yeah, but I don't see, I don't see still how if this is submission and the idea behind submission is you're going to do it anyway, regardless of even if you agree with his reasoning behind it, then why should he ever give his reasoning?
	Because if he never does, you do it anyway.
	So Andrew, do you not speak to your wife about like big decisions in your life or do you just make the decisions and not care what she thinks?
	I talk to her about all sorts of things.
	And then there's all sorts of things that I make that are big decisions I don't talk about.
	Well, do you care about her opinion in the matter or do you just talk to Vent?
	Sometimes.
	Sometimes I really care about her opinion.
	Sometimes I don't give a shit at all.
	Okay, no, no, no.
	I don't think she's saying that the male has to respect every opinion she has.
	That's my choice.
	What I'm saying is that that's my choice.
	I get to make that decision.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That you care about what she thinks and says?
	On which topics I want her advice on and which ones I don't want her advice on.
	What type of topics do you not ask her opinion on?
	Oh, all sorts of things.
	All sorts of political topics I don't give a shit about her opinion on.
	There's all sorts of time.
	And then there's all sorts of topics I really care about her opinion on, right?
	I want her advice on them.
	But what I'm saying is that that would be my choice to make that determination, not her choice to make that determination.
	See, I think you and I have two different ideas on submission.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	That's where we can agree.
	I come from a family where my mom and dad, whenever they make me make a big decision, they talk together about everything.
	The only big decision my dad has never told my mom about was buying her like a, I don't remember how much it was.
	I think it was like a $2,000 ring for her birthday.
	It's not even that much, but it was a good idea.
	Submission with permission.
	That was like something.
	I put it in.
	It's submission with permission.
	And so there's just a lot of things that my mom and dad, they would always talk to each other about big decisions, especially when it includes my brother and I.
	So for me, communication is always a big thing.
	And I think that I would submit to my husband on most things.
	I think on some things that, as you're saying, where it's very, very irrational, like he wants to spend two million, no, not two million, like $2,000 gambling.
	I would say, no way in hell are you doing that?
	Because you're putting our family monetary value at the moment.
	The confirmation there, if they're gambling, is that that's against your religion.
	Okay, then let's say something that's not against the religion.
	Let's say he wants to go on a family trip to somewhere that's way beyond our financial area.
	A situation, yeah.
	A financial situation.
	I might say, reconsider.
	Go someplace else.
	Go someplace that's nicer.
	And so, great.
	So here's the scenario.
	You say, let's reconsider this.
	And he says, no.
	I'm not going to reconsider it.
	We're going on the fucking vacation, baby, and I don't want to hear another thing about it ever again for the rest of my life.
	You say what?
	If he's doing, okay, there's two situations that could happen.
	If he's doing this as a birthday gift and it's like not that and it's not that bad, okay, but if it's just, why are you spending so much money for no reason at all?
	I'm just saying, go have fun.
	I'll stay back.
	It'll be half the cost.
	Build, how's that submission?
	How's that submit?
	He says, no, get in the car.
	We're going.
	You're coming with me.
	We're going, baby.
	We're going on this trip.
	If it is putting our family's financial money at risk, then he must be drunk.
	Well, then that's, but whose choice is it to for the for the family financial whose decisions are these ultimately?
	They can't be yours if he's the head.
	It makes no sense.
	You see what I'm saying?
	I understand what you're saying.
	I will submit to you.
	I will submit to you as long as you are doing what I think I want you to do.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, and you know what?
	I understand what you're saying.
	I understand what you're trying, what you understand me saying.
	But I think it just comes down that you and I just have really different ideas on submission.
	And I think you also see this from a man's point of view where I see this from a woman's point of view as what I want to do for my husband.
	And you're thinking of what you want your wife to do for you.
	So I think there's two very different views.
	No, I'm not talking about either of those things.
	I'm just talking about submission and what it means.
	Okay, well, I have an idea.
	It's a super duper, it's super duper hard.
	I'm just showing you a logical circle.
	Okay.
	So that you understand the logical circle.
	So here's submission.
	I obey my husband.
	You agree with me, that's submission?
	Yeah, I obey my husband.
	Okay, so your husband gives you no immoral task or nothing against your religion.
	No task that is immoral, nothing which is against your religion.
	Okay.
	Do you obey that task?
	If it is not immoral and not against my religion, then sure.
	Okay, then sure.
	So he says, basically, with those two kinds of things.
	Let me finish.
	Okay, okay, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so great.
	So now we're halfway through the circle.
	Yes.
	As long as it's not immoral, it's not evil.
	It's not against my religion.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to do it, right?
	I'm going to obey.
	So he comes to you with a task which you think is irrational, right?
	He says, hey, okay, I need, we're going on this family trip to the fucking keys and I'm emptying out half of our savings.
	And you're like, that's a terrible idea.
	He says, I don't give a shit.
	I really don't want to hear your opinion on it.
	We're going.
	He's done nothing immoral, nothing against your religion.
	So help me.
	So help me circle back to circle back to how you're going to obey, right?
	You're going to obey.
	I see where you're going.
	Does that make sense?
	It does make sense.
	But when you get to that third stage, he checked two out of three check marks.
	I just don't think that it's very wise.
	And if he really wants to go on that trip, bring one of your boys.
	Bring one of your friends.
	I will not be a part of it.
	I'll turn it back over to Brian mostly because I got to go take a leak.
	But anyway, I appreciated the conversation.
	Have a good leak in.
	Thank you for the conversation.
	Thank you.
	Have a good leak.
	Think of us while you.
	Oh, thank God.
	Or don't.
	You can just do it.
	You did a good job.
	That was the most job.
	I wanted to ask you.
	I wanted to ask you $200.
	Thank you.
	She's in chat, so get it solidified.
	Also, FYI Chair 4 is most attractive tonight.
	Oh, that's it tonight.
	You want to do a little bow or something?
	Vow, vow, vow.
	Do a bow.
	Speech, That's a spouser for my husband.
	Oh.
	You know what?
	Guys, guys, guys, one at a time.
	You had something?
	I think she had something.
	It cut you off a bit.
	You said this is the most difficult conversation of your life.
	Yes, this probably was the most because I've never had somebody, well, I guess I could say attack, attack my values before.
	And I've never had to consider in depth this, like, that type of value.
	Because in my experience, submission is like, you know, I will follow what you say.
	I will help you along the way.
	I will help you from the sidelines.
	I will help you with my children.
	I will help you with household works.
	This and that.
	I will submit to you.
	I will be the peg underneath you.
	I'll be your foundation to help you stay up.
	And I've never had someone come up with this idea that, okay, what happens if your husband's a big fucking asshole?
	I wouldn't marry him, you know?
	Before I have you come in on this, before I have you come in on this.
	Here, play that video.
	Go to the video tab related to the being submissive leading thing.
	Go ahead and play it.
	I know what you're going to play.
	One sec, guys.
	We're going to pull that.
	All right, guys.
	Hold on.
	Barrett's here.
	You got to get the audio on.
	I love the office.
	Me too.
	I got away with everything under the last boss, and it wasn't good for me at all.
	So I want guidance.
	I want leadership.
	But don't just like boss me around, you know?
	Like, lead me.
	Lead me when I'm in the mood to be.
	Okay.
	The fact you knew that.
	Yeah, you get it.
	No, I love that.
	I love it.
	Oh, God.
	How do I get up to walk out and take a leap?
	And then instantly, the second I go out to do that, you say I attacked you.
	How did I attack you?
	Oh, my goodness.
	Okay.
	You know what?
	You know what?
	It may not, to you, it may not seem like you attacked me, but your tone, it felt like you were attacking me.
	Oh, my God.
	I think she's beat.
	She might be.
	That was great.
	That was great.
	Oh, my God.
	You felt like you did this.
	It's just that.
	It's just that.
	It's, you know, when I state something and it might not satisfy what you were wanting to hear, and you keep repeating the same question over and over again.
	And I have to keep finding a way to Try to, you know, make sense of what I'm trying to say in a way that you would understand or a way that you might be able to work with.
	And you keep trying to get at me and ask me for more.
	It feels like attacking because I've never had a conversation like that.
	So actually, I very much appreciate it.
	I think it was very, you know, eye-opening.
	I learned a lot.
	Can you look at it from my end?
	So try to imagine it from my end.
	Yeah.
	I say, excuse me, miss.
	What color is the sky?
	You say the ground is brown.
	And I go, okay, yeah, I know, but the sky, though, up there, the sky, you see, you know what the sky is, right?
	You go, yeah, I know what the sky is.
	And I say, point to the sky.
	You point up, and I go, yeah, what color is that?
	And you go, well, the ground is brown.
	Right?
	Well, I was asking.
	Can you imagine, Aangon?
	Can you imagine from my angle how absolutely frustrating it is when you say you're asking me the same question over and over?
	And I say, well, sure, because you won't answer the question I ask you.
	You answer a question I don't ask you.
	So yes, of course I have to constantly repeat what I said.
	No, I understand.
	The thing is that I answered your question, but you just didn't, you were saying like, okay, but why would you need to know if you're just going to submit anyway?
	You asked me that over and over again.
	And I, and I'll be honest, I didn't know the answer.
	So I was trying to make sense of it.
	So when every time I answered, you would just repeat the same question saying, oh, but I don't understand.
	How can what is the difference between you being a slave and this and that?
	So that's why I'm.
	I'm not saying hold on.
	I could have said Andrew.
	You could have said Andrew.
	I don't know.
	And that would have been the end of it.
	Okay, and I should have said that.
	And you said, I don't know.
	And I would have been like, oh, all right.
	Okay, then I and I and I admit, I should have said, I'm not the most knowledgeable in that.
	I need some time to think about that.
	But at the same time, when you keep asking me, I feel like I should give an answer.
	And so I tried to, and it wasn't my best answer.
	There is a good answer.
	I know, I know.
	But in the moment, in the moment, let's just say, in the moment, it felt like I had to give an answer to you.
	And so I tried to.
	All right.
	I tried my best, okay?
	I hope you are satisfied.
	Hail and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.02.
	I'll gladly sit through some theology in order to get the joy of hearing Andrew tell these Dumbos that their definition of submission is actually her wanting to be in charge and dominant.
	She doesn't.
	She never said that.
	And there was that.
	I wanted to ask you something, actually, because the way that I think of it is: so you kept mentioning that, you know, that would make you a slave.
	Do you think that children are slaves to their parents?
	No, absolutely.
	Because in the household that I grew up with, my parents always gave me like a reason as to why we're doing something.
	Go to bed at this time.
	You want enough sleep.
	Eat these vegetables.
	You want to be healthy.
	Do your homework.
	You want to be educated.
	I always had a reason as to why I was doing things for my parents.
	Did your parents ever have like give you a command or tell you to do something and they did not give you an explanation or they told you it was?
	Or like it, like maybe the explanation just, so for example, like there are plenty of times where I give my children commands and they're either not old enough to understand my explanation.
	Mommy, why can't I go spend the night at this person's house?
	You know, I don't want to have to go into detail as to why I don't think that that is safe for them.
	And it's not their place to have to have me explain that to them even, you know, because I don't think that those are details that I are.
	Well, I mean, isn't because I said so sufficiently?
	Yes, well, I mean, there are a lot of times where I say that.
	You know, you know go clean your room.
	Well, I don't want to clean my room.
	Sucks for you.
	You need to go and do that.
	So it's like, you know, I don't see my children as slaves.
	And in the hierarchy of a home, it's kind of similar with husband to wife.
	Not that I'm his child or that he needs to, you know, Treat me as lesser, but understand that in the hierarchy, if he needs something from me or he has something that he wants our family to do, that it's not incumbent upon him to necessarily give an explanation, especially if it's like, for example, if somebody were to break into the house in the middle of the night, I don't want to have to sit there and explain to my child.
	Like, you need to be quiet.
	You need to be quiet.
	You need to go in here.
	Well, mommy, why?
	Why do I get to the point?
	No, you're going to get up.
	You're going to.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Should the husband have to explain it to his wife?
	Yes, because the wife could then call 911, you know, be a helper in that.
	What do you mean to say?
	We need to just say, shh, I'm not giving you any reasoning behind this, right?
	But it's important you be quiet right now.
	And this is why I said.
	Why should I be quiet?
	Should I be quiet?
	Because now you don't talk to me like that.
	Criminal takes you both.
	And this is why.
	This is why I said everything is situational.
	And all the cases you gave to me, I understand 100%.
	And I would do the same.
	And I would never see my children as slaves.
	In fact, like, everything.
	You can give an explanation.
	Exactly.
	I'm your parent.
	I'm your mother.
	You're going to do what I say.
	You were going to do what I say.
	You might not like it.
	I don't have to give you an explanation.
	No, everything you said, I've agreed.
	I agree with.
	That's why I'm saying everything is very situational.
	Would you allow your husband to spend your entire family saving to go on a trip to Hawaii?
	It's if my husband is leading my family, I'm going to trust that whatever decision that he is going to make, first of all, he's the breadwinner.
	That's his money.
	That's his money that he's spending.
	So if he feels that it's something that he wants to do, this is something that my husband does sometimes.
	Sometimes he will make a purchase.
	He doesn't have to ask me to spend his money, money that he earned.
	Like I've never, you know, he doesn't have to ask me.
	I will ask him.
	Who is your money?
	My money is his money.
	Like our, it's our money.
	So no.
	So he's going to ultimately decide on that, right?
	Yes.
	Even if it's yours, yes.
	That's submission.
	What she just described, that's actual submission.
	And see, there's a lot of things.
	There's a lot of things that she, that's basically everything she said.
	I've agreed on.
	The only thing I would disagree is that I, you know, going on a vacation to Honolulu, I don't know, I've never been on there for with our whole, our whole family saving.
	I just don't see that.
	I don't understand, like, okay, you say that you trust him, that he'll have a plan, but how can he plan to get back the money that we have spent years cultivating?
	Well, that's again, like, it's so, again, for in my situation, my husband is the breadwinner.
	He is the one who brings in the money.
	In my eyes, that's his money.
	I mean, it's our money for our family.
	First of all, again, I trust my husband because I trust that he would not put us in a financial situation that was going to bankrupt us.
	I'm assuming that he's not taking out a second mortgage on our home to take us to Hawaii.
	But even if he did.
	What if, well, let me ask you this real quick.
	What if, and the only reason I don't mean to cut you off, but I know we have time constraints because Brian wants to move on.
	Yes, what if, can we, I mean, can we all agree on this?
	That while women will often say, well, I just want an explanation of what's going on, that that's not really what's going on.
	What's going on is they want a justification that they can argue against.
	And sometimes a 15-minute justification will turn into a five-day long drag out fight because they don't want you to do X thing.
	And that this is very common with couples, happens all the time, even including with Christian couples, non-Christian couples, that women will often say, I just want a quick justification, which then turns into a grind-long argument, which can be easily avoided with the idea of what she's talking about, which is actual submission.
	Your job is to lead.
	I have to have faith that you're leading me correctly, even if I can't see the ends.
	That is what biblical submission means.
	Right.
	Which is kind of what I think he's been trying to point out to you.
	It's not that, it's not that, you know, I don't think that he's trying to attack you at all, just to point out kind of the flaws in the logic there.
	You know, it's like you can't say that you want to submit, but then don't submit.
	Like, there are going to be situations where there is no explanation needed.
	You have to just trust the man that you chose.
	Trust the man that if he's following a Christian Christian, if he's following Christian ethics, if he's following the Christian faith, that he is going to lead your family down a path that's not going to destroy you.
	Especially when it comes to something as simple as what he spends money on.
	No, you know.
	And I completely agree.
	And honestly, Andrew, if you had explained it in a gentle tone like she had, it would have been a lot better.
	No, but anyway, no, but what I wanted to say was let me ask you this.
	Is humility one-sided?
	Humility one-sided?
	Yeah, is it one-sided?
	No, it's humility.
	Does only one of us need to come to a conversation humble?
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	Can you say that again?
	Does only one of us need to come to a conversation humble?
	Or do both of us need to come to a conversation?
	I think both of us have to come to a conversation humble.
	What's that?
	Both of us.
	Both of us.
	Okay.
	Where was the humility on your side as you demand the humility on mine?
	Because you had no humility for me.
	And I tried.
	And I will admit, you did push my buttons and I got a little out of control.
	But see, with her, she explained to me.
	It's my fault.
	Because if I had delivered it in a way that you had preferred, then it would have been okay because you're the leader, right?
	You're the leader.
	And you've never said anything like that.
	If you wanted, everything would have been okay.
	Yeah, but you're not her husband.
	She doesn't need to submit to you.
	What about what I want?
	I don't want you.
	Just saying, you're right, Andrew, because you have flawless logic.
	So I'm going to just say, you're right.
	Andrew, did I not already tell you?
	Instead, I have to capitulate to you, right?
	Everything for you.
	But it's just the opposite, though.
	When you argue with someone, you just want them to agree with you, but she's just asking for you to speak in a different tone and help explain it better.
	Great.
	I want her to make it $200.
	None.
	TBH, she's holding up some of these.
	Kudos also tone matters if you want to actually convince someone.
	It makes a person more likely to be open-minded and listen to you versus be defensive.
	No, let me tell you exactly.
	The thing is, Andrew, is that when I truth is that when I speak and get to an argument with somebody, it forces them to defend their position.
	And if they can't defend their position properly, they end up in a logical trap and make themselves look stupid.
	This in turn, for the thousands of people viewing it, go, oh shit, I'm not going to ever be in that position and do that dumbass thing ever.
	So yeah, I agree that tone matters.
	And that what you should do is always take in a debate a tone, which is a debate tone because you're having a debate.
	That's what you do.
	How is this a debate, though?
	She's just trying to have a conversation based on the little knowledge that she actually has.
	But if you would have explained it to me, what is a debate?
	Let's start with that.
	It's called verbal combat.
	Let's say this, Andrew.
	Let's start with what a debate is, Nolla.
	What is it?
	I'd say more of like a heated discussion based off of two different viewpoints.
	Yeah.
	It's a discussion based off of two different viewpoints.
	We had two different viewpoints and we entered into a heated discussion.
	What else do you call that?
	Would you say that you encouraged the heatedness and didn't come with humility because you called her stupid?
	I didn't call her stupid.
	You call me stupid and I agreed.
	No, I didn't call you stupid.
	You did.
	Yes, you did, bro.
	And you know what?
	I'm admitting.
	I'm admitting.
	I am admitting that I agreed.
	I said, okay, I'm not intelligent enough for this conversation right here, but I'm trying my best.
	Ever called you stupid?
	I asked you.
	You asked me, are you too stupid to have this conversation?
	This is what that's what you asked me.
	You said, how old are you?
	And he gave an age discrepancy.
	You're only 19, and I'm 40, and so therefore you don't have as much experience as me.
	And I said, And that's true.
	I don't have enough in my.
	Hang on.
	So I asked you a question.
	Are you saying you're too stupid to have this conversation?
	You said, yes.
	I said, okay, well, then I'm not going to have the conversation anymore if that's what you think.
	I said, I don't have.
	There's no point.
	That is not calling you stupid.
	No, you said you're too stupid to have this conversation with.
	You were asking it as a question.
	Anybody's posing it as a question.
	No, okay.
	Andrew.
	Andrew.
	Yes, I agree.
	You posed that as a question, and I agreed.
	But that doesn't take away from the fact that I still wanted to have the conversation and you couldn't get off the idea that I consider myself stupid.
	I still wanted to have the conversation despite knowing that this is not something that I would, quote unquote, win.
	Please let me finish.
	You would stop me every time I interrupted you, so please stop when you interrupt me.
	So the problem I have is that I have an idea of submission that I cultivated throughout my life, throughout looks of my parents, throughout church, throughout classes and religious studies.
	This is my idea of submission that I cultivated and that I'm going to spend more time in my life pondering before I have a husband.
	And you have your idea of submission that you are trying to force onto me.
	And you may convince me, but in this instance right now, you have not convinced me.
	I am saying strong to my own.
	I've lost you.
	Not here to convince you.
	I'm here to convince thousands of people watch later.
	Also, on top of that, just so that you understand, I want you to think again, not just from your own view, but from mine.
	A person, I ask a person, are you saying that you're not intelligent enough or you're too stupid to have a conversation with me?
	And they say yes, why would I continue to have converse with them?
	Why would I do that?
	Why would you talk to somebody who literally tells you they're not smart enough to talk to you?
	Why would you keep talking to them?
	Can you imagine?
	Why did you keep talking to me then?
	You demanded it.
	Yeah, you bad.
	But you continued to talk to me.
	I was going to say, you're submitting to her.
	So you submitted to her.
	This is amazing.
	No, okay.
	Listen, I'm very glad we had the conversation.
	Despite what differences we may have right now, I'm very glad we had the conversation.
	I'm very glad you told me a little bit about your own.
	Absolutely.
	Because, you know, I'm telling you, everybody says, like, so many people have done things by the time they're 19.
	I have not.
	I'm barely starting my life's journey.
	So I have no experience.
	I have no knowledge.
	And you guys are teaching me a lot of things.
	I have no dating experience at ever.
	So you guys are teaching me a lot of things.
	So it's very eye-opening.
	We do have a couple chats coming in here.
	We have Graffiti Totank donated $200.
	Thank you, emotions are running high.
	While I would side with Andrew, Justy wins some points for knowing she's at a disadvantage, standing her ground, not getting intimidated, and not storming off in tears.
	There you go.
	Graffito thing for the TTS.
	I suppose credit to you for not rage cracking.
	That happens a lot.
	It does.
	It does happen a lot.
	I've seen it happen.
	Absolutely.
	Oh, yeah.
	My first podcast, remember?
	Andrew has sent some of the most cold-hearted feminists into the abyss.
	That's ironic.
	Good for you for having the back and forth with him.
	We have lol paladins here.
	Husband wants to vacation with his wife while they are young and alive.
	Maybe because he secretly needs to tell her he has cancer and is dying.
	Equals husband equals asshole.
	Asshole.
	Lol Paladins.
	I do appreciate your message there.
	I did want to play one video because it's related to being submissive.
	We'll do the bow video if you can pull that up real quick.
	All right, this is my ex-girlfriend.
	That's like, like, really?
	Yeah, yeah, this is actually my ex-girlfriend.
	I filmed this like a couple months ago or something.
	Oh, for sure.
	All right, go ahead and play it.
	Boom, huge bow.
	So I have an expectation that my girlfriend bows to me when I get home from the podcast.
	This was after a long day shooting, you know, getting the laundry all done.
	And look at that.
	Dinner ready.
	Dinner ready.
	Long day after work.
	She's got my beer ready, noodles ready, meat ready.
	I scolded her about those tomatoes.
	That's just gross.
	You know, who does that with tomatoes?
	And then get ready to play it one more time.
	Play one more time.
	He loved that bow.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Did you see the bow?
	So, okay, going around the table, would you bow to your boyfriend's slash husband slash first aid?
	No, honestly, yes, because like I love Japanese culture and that is a big part of Japanese culture.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	No, you wouldn't?
	No.
	You wouldn't?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Of course I would.
	Perfect, man.
	Would I have a follow-up on that?
	Okay, what about you?
	V?
	Vi.
	Vi, I got it this time.
	You almost got it.
	Yeah.
	Halfway.
	Like would you bow?
	Like Steve Vi without the A.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes, but like it would have to be like the intention behind it wouldn't be like to embarrass me.
	Not embarrassing.
	Respect.
	Yeah, respect.
	Okay, yes.
	Would you hit the bow for yeah, and I'll take his co as well.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm with Nala's explanation.
	Because in Japanese, Japanese culture.
	Oh, yeah.
	Master, say hi.
	Nobody got the fuck.
	Oh my gosh.
	Disrespect.
	What the hell?
	Wait, what other Japanese things can you do, Nala?
	And then, like, from Jiu-Jitsu Kaisan, like, I want to be a voice actor.
	That was good.
	That was good.
	No.
	Would you bow for boyfriend or husband?
	I'd say no because it's not part of my culture, but I'd probably hug him because I love hugging.
	Physical touch girlies.
	What if, okay, it's not part of your culture, but it's part of his.
	Then I probably would disrespect him and his culture.
	You would disrespect him?
	No, to respect who?
	You would do it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Disrespect him.
	No.
	No.
	Would that you?
	Yes, I would.
	Okay.
	And then who said no?
	Was it just you?
	This whole video.
	You don't like it?
	No.
	I'm not going to be like this.
	Wait, it's not going to be like this.
	Why is that?
	Just like being this is like being a slave to your husband.
	Now you've been serving the food.
	Of course, serving the food.
	Making food for your man.
	That's not the laundry.
	Because he's maybe not experienced doing laundry, but like we are a team.
	Like, I don't submit.
	Like, I will not submit to a man.
	That's just.
	Would you do it for the perfect man?
	He's like, is there a perfect man out there?
	No, really.
	How about close to perfect?
	Close to perfect.
	99.9.
	If he bows first, he doesn't bow first.
	Yeah, then no.
	No.
	No.
	So you wouldn't do it for like the most handsome billionaire treats you perfectly.
	No.
	Perfect, like near perfect.
	Wow.
	No.
	So you wouldn't bow.
	But what's your reason?
	Why?
	The whole thing.
	Okay, let me ask you some follow-up questions.
	You're not a virgin, right?
	No.
	Do you engage in oral copulation?
	Oral copywriting.
	Okay, explain that to me.
	Can we translate the body?
	Like, just fucking.
	How do you say blowjob?
	Do you know what the bow?
	He deserves it.
	Oh, my God.
	Japanese culture is completely different.
	Blossom?
	Is that blossom?
	It's a completely different.
	Yeah, blossom.
	Japan, and I bow in front of people.
	Just out of respect, just out of coming into a household of them.
	They serving me food.
	I'm like, thank you.
	Like, this is really nice.
	But it has, like, I don't.
	Yeah, that's what he wants.
	That's all he wants.
	It's just a bow.
	Just a respectful bow.
	Not a slave bow.
	Like, a respectful bow.
	A respectful bow?
	Have you both of us at the same time?
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	No, just you.
	Just why?
	Because he walks in the door and you bow to him.
	Because he wants it.
	But that's so weird.
	I don't understand.
	Okay, that's weird.
	Isn't that like giving him a kiss?
	Like, give him a kiss when he comes home.
	Like, I feel like that's like the same thing.
	Yes, it is.
	So I think it's any different than like bowing to him.
	Wait, kiss is not the same thing.
	So, okay.
	Kiss is like giving him like so much.
	So you wouldn't do it for the near-perfect guy.
	No.
	Facebook explode.
	What would you do for the near-perfect guy?
	In what way?
	Like, what can you compare to bow?
	Kiss.
	A kiss?
	Yeah, that's what, like, when I hug.
	No.
	A nice.
	No, but I'm fairly confident.
	I'm fairly confident you would do far more than just that.
	But like, for example, how long do you typically like to wait before having sex?
	Like first date, second date, third date?
	Seven dates.
	Second date?
	Seven dates in.
	Seven?
	Seven dates?
	Like seven.
	Seven.
	Wait, earlier.
	Hold on.
	Earlier in the conversation, you said that you fucked like three dudes in one day or something.
	Okay, that was like my whole phase.
	That was like a phase where I just came here to this country, freshly new student.
	Everyone was partying.
	I was like adjusting to the culture.
	I was like, okay, what's going on?
	And then I did that.
	So just to be clear, this gets into another topic that comes up frequently.
	This whole like, well, you used to move one way in the past.
	You had no qualms with having sex fairly quickly, but now you're going to make a guy wait seven dates to have sex.
	I mean, you're welcome.
	You're free to do that.
	I think that's a raw deal for the man in any case.
	But wait, so hold on.
	Okay.
	You won't do the bow.
	What's wrong with the bow?
	Bro, okay, I'll do the bow.
	Like, what?
	I don't.
	I was like, I can't.
	I'm angry.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm not Japanese.
	I'm not Chinese.
	I'm not like that.
	Doesn't matter.
	So, okay.
	Would look, I'm not German, but if my girlfriend asked me to goose step, wait, what the hold, never mind.
	Don't worry about it.
	What is what is that?
	Bad joke.
	Okay, so.
	I want to know now.
	It's typically a March, you know, the goose step.
	Oh, oh.
	Yeah, that thing.
	That.
	Speaking of Leo.
	Wait, Damien, not yet, not yet.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Can you just say get to the chopper?
	Sorry.
	You should say what?
	Get to the chopper.
	Get to the choppa?
	Because you're German.
	Like Schwarzenegger.
	Like Schwarzenegger.
	Well, he's Austrian.
	He's get to the chopper.
	I don't know what he says.
	What else does he say?
	What's one of the famous get out?
	There's a bomb in there.
	That's what he says.
	It's I'll be back.
	I'll be back.
	Wait, say.
	I'll be back.
	Yeah, that was pretty good.
	Wait, I have a question.
	So, are you going to go back to Germany at any point?
	To live there?
	No.
	Visiting?
	Yes.
	I wonder if this would be worse if it was an American guy playing this.
	So, get ready to play the video, Damon.
	Well, not on the Windows tab.
	We just need the audio.
	I'll tell you when to play it.
	So, you go on this date with the guy.
	He's really great.
	And you get back to his place and you hear this start to play.
	Like, is it a deal breaker?
	Hello?
	100%.
	That's like.
	Don't dance to it.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, it's not.
	It's not him.
	It's an old song.
	I'll keep it.
	It's beautiful.
	It's like a soldier sang when they were like, like, Yankee Doodle for us.
	Oh, I love that song.
	I haven't heard it in years.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, you can stop it.
	You can stop it.
	You can stop it.
	They're singing about two of them, right?
	They're singing about a little flower that's blooming in a wall.
	Yeah, it's like it predates those guys.
	Okay.
	It does.
	It predates.
	But look.
	That's a deal breaker for you.
	An American guy would put that on?
	Yeah, if he put that on.
	Damn.
	It would be free.
	Wait, worse if an American, worse for a German guy to put that on?
	No, German guys listen to that sometimes.
	They do?
	Sometimes.
	Super wasted.
	Wait, from the 1930s, boy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So.
	Moving on.
	Anyways, wait, okay, no, no.
	Back to the bow really quick.
	Okay.
	What's crazy to me is like, okay, you do OF, right?
	You do OF.
	It's like, I mean, like, a girl will, she'll refuse to do the bow, but she'll like S a dude's D on the first date, you know?
	That's crazy.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	All right, that's fine.
	She doesn't want to do it.
	She doesn't want to do it.
	No bowing.
	No bowing for her.
	Was I not saying yes?
	Would you bow for us?
	Great question.
	Do you want, just really quick.
	Wait, do you, um, you're going to school right now, right?
	What are you studying again?
	Film and acting.
	Okay, so you want to become like a.
	An international actress.
	An actress.
	And as part of this role as an actress, it required you to do a bow.
	Would you do it?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And it was like, if you were getting paid, you would do it.
	Damn.
	Yes.
	It's not sexual, so yeah.
	Well, no, even your husband or boyfriend wanting it doesn't mean it's sexual.
	Okay.
	It could just be totally benign.
	But I guess where my confusion lies when it comes to submissiveness, and this perhaps applies to some of you, other women here.
	So you kind of object to this whole being submissive to your husband thing.
	But you'll readily be extremely submissive to an employer for money.
	But let's say this husband of yours, he's prepared to financially provide for you.
	He wants to make you a stay-at-home wife.
	You never have to work another day in your life.
	I would argue he's going to ask far less of you.
	And he'll be much more respectful of you than your employer will be.
	Your employer is going to bark orders at you.
	Be here at this time.
	Wear this.
	Do this job.
	Sit here.
	You've all traded being submissive to a husband to being submissive to your employer.
	I find this interesting.
	If you were your own boss, then you're just sure.
	You can be.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	But most, I'm sure you'd agree.
	Most people, man or woman, they're going to work.
	They're going to have a boss.
	And even people who are self-employed are beholden to someone in some way, one way or the other.
	Submissive to somebody else.
	To some degree.
	In any case, most people are employees.
	Well, like, even if someone drops something, they're like, hey, can you pick that up?
	And you go pick it up.
	Isn't that being submissive?
	Well, that's a bit different from what I'm getting at here.
	But your employer is going to have very strict, okay, arrive at this time.
	Wear this outfit.
	Talk to the customers this way.
	But if your husband is like telling you a couple things, like y'all won't listen.
	You won't follow his.
	Who is y'all?
	Please don't include me in that.
	The greater modern.
	I'd say most modern women.
	Most modern women don't want to listen to their husbands.
	I disagree.
	I'm sorry.
	I love doing stuff for my husband.
	So for you.
	I don't know what the case is with the dynamics with you and your husband, but a lot of women don't want to be submissive.
	Why do you think that is?
	Do you think it's because men aren't like living up to their roles nowadays?
	I think women also aren't living up to their roles as women either.
	I don't know at all.
	Just the opposite.
	I think women are like we're constantly fighting against what we, like the role that we're supposed to have.
	You know, women are constantly being pushed away from that role.
	We're told, you know, you're not successful unless you pursue a career, unless you put all of your effort into that, unless you, you know, you're with a ton of guys.
	You know, we're fed this lie that this is what we're supposed to do.
	This is the path that we're supposed to go down.
	This is what's going to make you happy.
	When the truth is, it's like, no, what would really make women happy is the role that we have been given, the blessing that we've been given by creating life, being mothers, being, you know, that's what we're supposed to do.
	Like being a trad wife.
	Yeah.
	I think I agree.
	I think nowadays, I think hookup culture has taken over.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think traditional, like women who want traditional families, like traditional lives is like stay-in-home moms.
	It's a small minority now.
	I think it's more, I think it's very, very normal for women to want to have more dominance in the relationship.
	They want to lead the men.
	They want the men to be the submissive ones.
	I don't even, I mean, I don't even know if that's true, though.
	It's like you're still attracted to men who are masculine and dominant and leaders, but the feminist mind virus says don't follow.
	So you still want the guy to protect me, provide for me, but only when I want, but also when I want to be.
	When I'm in the mood, when I feel like it.
	Like going back to this, the same girl who's going to work like a brutal fast food job, dealing with a boss, barking orders, cleaning, she's going to be cleaning dirty dishes, maybe cleaning the bathroom, dealing with entitled, shitty customers for like $15 an hour, $20 an hour.
	But like if a guy were to come into the picture who's got the money to support her, support a family, and even make sure she never has to work another day in her life.
	It's like, but she doesn't want to bow, doesn't want to cook, doesn't want to clean.
	But you'll do all that shit under the Corporation.
	I don't know who.
	I actually don't personally know one woman that is actually saying that she doesn't want to do any of that for her husband.
	Like, I literally don't know one person.
	I mean, we have a lot of women on TikTok.
	I actually see a lot of women begging to be one of those women.
	And it's like because they want to get back to the older culture and they don't want, they don't approve of what's going on with women nowadays or they don't approve of how women are acting so entitled nowadays.
	And I completely agree.
	Women are completely acting like they own everything.
	Like women are the top, like the money makers.
	But look at who our influences are.
	Like Kim Kardashian, like freaking Kylie Jenner.
	Like these billionaire women who have unrealistic everything, like even down to their physical bodies.
	But why are they billionaires?
	Right.
	Well, because they sold the product or because they're self-defense.
	Like, for example, Kim Kardashian.
	They're also still like, I'm impressed.
	And the system somehow still rigged against me.
	And, you know, I still can't do anything, everything that, you know, men are supposed to do.
	And it's like, but that's not.
	But like that influence is teaching women in our generation.
	And then it's like these younger moms that we have now that grew up in a generation is just like, they saw all that.
	Then they had kids.
	And then like, what do they teach their kids?
	Because this is all they know right now.
	If they have kids.
	If they have kids.
	Well, and then there's all this different advice on how to raise kids.
	So everyone's raising their kids differently now.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's so many opinions.
	Like everyone's like, oh, gentle parenting.
	Oh, like whatever parenting.
	And it's like, can we just parent normally?
	Like, can we?
	So, like, that's a good point.
	Because my sister doesn't believe in telling her kid no.
	What?
	Oh, she doesn't believe.
	That's a huge problem.
	And she's like, okay, well, thank you.
	And she's literally like, oh, okay, well, just redirect the way you say no.
	I'm like, there's only one word for no.
	It's no.
	It's not like, maybe can you kindly not do that?
	No, it's like, no, don't do this because I'm the parent and I told you not to do something.
	Could you please not stick that fork in that light?
	Stop!
	Please do not put your hand up on the stove.
	Like, what?
	Because you're afraid of like this negative effect it's going to have on their brains.
	I'm like, what?
	Plus, when they're told no later on, sorry.
	Sorry.
	I think now these days, like, gentle parenting is taken so out of context because there's a specific way to do it, but people take it so far that there needs to be reprimanded when it's bad behavior.
	Yes.
	There's a time where you have to be stern and be like, no, is no.
	Because there's a time, you know, my daughter, she's only one and a half.
	So basically, she's at that terrible twos age.
	And how did we get to it?
	I'm sorry, how did we get to this?
	We're talking about like trad wise and derailed.
	It's a good conversation.
	Honestly.
	Wait, so okay.
	Really quick, just going back to the bathing really quick.
	Then we have a couple chats I got to get through and then the rest of the time.
	No, honestly, well, Nala, you said that you see all these women on TikTok who they want to go back to this idea of traditional womanhood and you want to go back to being trad women and this type of thing.
	But the thing is, is that I think most of these women are chameleons and that when you press them on what they believe traditionalism actually is and what you they think submission actually is and this type of thing, they really want an equal relationship or some type of egalitarian relationship.
	And I think that men categorically reject that more and more.
	They don't want it.
	They don't want to have an equally yoked relationship.
	It's not of interest to men to be equally yoked with equally yoked as in religion.
	I think that when you say equally yoked, that this term is applying to the ontology of men and women.
	And egalitarianism is not what that means.
	Wait, are you talking about like equally yoked as in religion?
	Like you believe the same thing or just equally yoked as like you are equal in being human.
	Men and women, you would agree with me, right?
	We have an ontological difference.
	What is a man and what is a woman is different.
	So ontology being the philosophy of being, right?
	What is the being of a man is not the same as the being of a woman.
	Facts.
	We're not interchangeable witches.
	So saying that we're equally yoked is not saying we're equal.
	It's saying that there is a process, an ontological process of us being super compatible with each other.
	This is true if each of us is taking on the role we're supposed to be taking on, which is a part of who we are as our being.
	Agreed.
	But what ends up happening, at least what I see, is that many women claim that they want that role.
	And then the second they're pushed in this role or they're in the role and get pushed back in it, they become ultra, super ultra-feminist immediately.
	Oh, do you revert to feminism in seconds?
	They will, if there's a divorce going on, they go from trad to feminist real quick.
	Look at Steven Crowder's wife, for instance.
	I can give you example after example after example of women who do this.
	They instantly move into feminism mode.
	I think that men generally are just, they just don't believe them.
	They just don't believe them.
	They just don't think that they're actually telling the truth, that they're looking for any sort of traditional anything.
	Because when pushed on these actual topics, it becomes more about me, the woman, than it becomes about the submissive role of the woman.
	Right.
	But I do think.
	What do I get?
	Go ahead.
	I don't actually have any specific testimonies to this because I really don't know these people personally.
	I've just seen that like this is what they're pushing out on social media.
	So I really have no idea.
	And I've never pushed them on their views.
	However, I do feel like women are pushed into this role now because of what's going on on social media.
	And they see, I think that a lot of people see like these generational issues and want to be like so far from it that they want to be like back to the basics.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like they see all of these issues being pushed out daily.
	Like everyone has an issue with something or someone about some different type of opinion.
	And some of us just want to get back to the basics of what being a wife is, about being a homemaker, you know, being that nurturing wife for your husband.
	But again, I've never pushed these topics on any woman.
	Wife has anything to do with being a homemaker, though.
	It doesn't matter.
	I think that in most situations, we would consider the nuclear family needs a homemaker for sure.
	But the homemaker is not the wife, you say?
	No, I think that a good wife only has to do with one thing.
	And the idea of a good wife is the idea of submission.
	And that that is the number one thing which makes a wife a good wife is a submitted wife.
	A submitted slave.
	So yeah, see what I mean?
	Slay, you go, you revert right to feminism immediately.
	I'm definitely not a feminism.
	I am so excited.
	I know about submission is slavery.
	But you said that's the only role for a woman is for her to submit.
	No, I didn't.
	I said that's a key quality to a good wife.
	Is submission.
	But you don't think she should make a home, a home.
	No, no, no.
	I said a homemaker, homemaker, right?
	Whatever you think a homemaker is, is tangential to submission.
	Because if you have a homemaker who's not submitted, then who gives a shit?
	I never said it wasn't.
	I do think a woman should submit to her husband.
	All other things, past submission, mean nothing without the submission portion.
	And the second you say a slave, right?
	You show exactly why men don't trust these TikTok women because when pushed on what submission is, you equate it instantly to slavery.
	So why the fuck should they ever trust you?
	It's because of the way you describe it.
	You really think that you should never bring up a topic to your wife because ultimately, what you say rules.
	That's it.
	There's no other option other than that.
	Your wife is there to listen to you when you want her to listen to you, but that is it.
	And that she can have no equal say in any type of issue.
	Equal say.
	But because do you feel in any way that your wife brings anything to you?
	What does it mean?
	Do you feel like you can keep interrupting me or treat me like an adult and respect me?
	I'm not going to let you talk past each other.
	I just want to know what submission means.
	Obey.
	It's easy.
	It's easy, but it's also different because biblically, I mean, have you ever heard of like the man is the head and the woman is the neck?
	No, the woman's the body.
	She reflects the body of Christ.
	The man reflects the head of Christ.
	Okay.
	For me, I've just heard that the man is the head and the woman is the neck.
	However, here's biblical marriage.
	Biblical marriage is the man reflects the head of the church, Christ.
	The woman reflects the body of the church.
	Okay?
	The church itself is the body.
	Okay?
	That is a reflection.
	So the man is a reflection of Christ.
	Paul says, wives, submit to your husbands as you would unto the Lord.
	Unto as you submit to the Lord.
	Absolutely.
	So the thing is, is that when you say submission is slavery, you'd be saying the same thing about God.
	You submission to God is slavery.
	No, it's not.
	But doesn't Paul refer himself to as a slave of Jesus Christ?
	And even a servant of Christ.
	Paul refers himself to a servant as a servant of Christ.
	So isn't that not the same thing?
	Is that not the same thing then?
	No, it's not the same thing.
	How is it not the same thing?
	Because then you end up with this logical contradiction again, the circle.
	So it works like this.
	The man is the head, and the man's decision must be adhered to, and you must trust him to adhere to it in a godly way.
	If you move to point two where you say, but I must contradict the man, even though he's doing nothing moral or anything which ports against the reason of Christian ethics, then you move back to I have no recourse but to listen to the man.
	So anytime you ask for the justification for the reasoning, right?
	Anytime he gives you that, that's him being extremely kind to you, not a necessity that he does so.
	It's just a logical circle.
	It just always moves.
	Right, but do you not think that the wife has her own walk with Christ and that it's not the same as her husband's?
	So do you think your walk with Christ is very different from your husband's walk with Christ?
	You are both going in the same direction.
	You absolutely are, but you still have a different walk with Christ than your husband.
	Okay, but who do you defer to to know?
	So you, so like, look, for instance, okay, your husband goes to you and he says, this church that we're going to, we're not going here anymore.
	And you say, oh, that's his spiritual leadership.
	Hang on, hang on.
	He says, I really like the pastor.
	I really like this.
	And he's like, we're not going anymore.
	We're not going.
	Who do you defer to?
	I need to have a different conversation with my husband, asking him why he doesn't feel this way anymore.
	I need to see why biblically he doesn't think that this church is good for us.
	So he gives you a justification, you disagree.
	No, I'm asking questions based off I am questioning his.
	I'm not questioning his authority.
	I'm questioning where he stands with Christ.
	He answers your questions, but hypothetically you disagree.
	I say hypothetically.
	No, I never said I disagree.
	I'm just asking, I'm asking why he thinks this.
	I'm literally asking his opinion on it.
	I'm not even disagreeing yet.
	You're saying that.
	Engage with a hypothetical with me.
	So you talk to him, you're asking why.
	He gives you his reasoning and you don't agree.
	So what's the next?
	I don't agree biblically.
	You don't agree with why he wants to leave this church.
	Well, honestly, that's okay then.
	So for me, I feel like no matter what, I am here to serve the Lord, no matter what my husband does or doesn't do.
	So if we decide to go to another church, we go to another church under my husband's direction.
	Yeah, we don't decide.
	He decides.
	He's saying, we are going to a different church and you disagree.
	So if I go to the I go to the new church that he would like me to go to.
	But in the meantime, please let me finish.
	Please let me finish.
	If you don't want to be interrupted, I definitely don't want to be interrupted.
	However, you're asking me a question and I'm trying to back it up with what I actually think.
	So if he wants to go to a different church, that's fine.
	Let's go to a different church.
	But in the meantime, I can sit and pray and ask God, hey, listen, God, I think this was the wrong decision, but I am here to serve my husband like you told me to.
	So prayer can change everything.
	So God can literally come down and change his heart if what we're doing is wrong biblically.
	But again, yes, it is my role to submit to my husband no matter what.
	Right.
	So then, if he gives you zero justification, right?
	So he says, we're just leaving the church and I don't want to give you a reason as to why.
	Are you still going to leave the church with him?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Well, then the justification part is simply a preference and not a requirement because ultimately what you're saying there, Mrs. Andrew Leving Women, is that regardless of if he justifies or not, you're going to fucking do it anyway.
	So if that is the case, then can you tell me why it is it's a requirement for him to create the justification to be given?
	Number one, you said it was a requirement.
	I never said it was a requirement for him to tell me why he was going to do something.
	I just said slavery.
	I just said all I said was I would ask his opinion on it.
	I never said it was his requirement to tell me.
	Me asking a question is not a requirement.
	He can completely ignore me if he wants to.
	Then how is my view?
	Then how is my view of submission slavery, Nala?
	Because are we referring to the video of this girl bowing and serving her husband like that?
	You said my view of submission was slavery.
	How is it?
	I can't see it.
	How is this submission slavery if you literally agree with my view of submission?
	Because the way you go about it is saying like, so no matter what, I'm going to make the decisions, basically F her.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	She's the wife.
	I don't care.
	Like, what she has to say, but you don't think that she could bring anything spiritual to the relationship because what, you're the man?
	It's ultimately his decision.
	I just said it's ultimately his decision.
	So if it's ultimately his decision, you agree it's ultimately his decision.
	You're going to comply with it whether he justifies it or not.
	Did I not say that it was a thing?
	And that's exactly my view.
	Then how in the world could you then say that's because Andrew, you want to slave?
	That makes no sense.
	Well, just the way you speak about your wife is quite difficult for me to understand.
	Would you like to talk to my wife?
	Oh my God, can we?
	Let's get her on.
	Let's talk to your wife.
	Bring Rachel out.
	Let's get Rachel.
	God help you if you talk to Rachel.
	Okay.
	Let's get Rachel.
	Wait, but let's speak.
	Speaking of which, I'm the nice one, Nala.
	Speaking of which, we also need to get Nala's husband.
	Yeah, can I text him?
	I think we're pretty close to being ready to have him come.
	So, let me try to get, like, get through everything.
	His phone might be dead.
	I might have to run downstairs and grab him.
	He's in the parking lot.
	Don't.
	He's waiting there.
	Ah.
	Okay, a traditional wife where the wife tells the husband what he can and can't spend their money on based on what she thinks is reasonable.
	Lol Paladins, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Where the wife tells the husband what he can't spend their money on based on.
	Wait, was this directed at the girl who'd got up?
	Maybe.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's pull up Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to Twitch.
	Wait, Andrew, did you want to get Rachel or was that?
	Well, hang on.
	Hang on a second.
	Okay.
	I just wasn't sure.
	Go ahead, Paul.
	Yeah, she said to give her 10 minutes.
	Okay, perfect.
	We'll do it.
	I mean, you think that, I think that my version of submission is, well, I would say even compared to the traditional church, is actually quite progressive in comparison to what my wife thinks.
	But you guys will learn better here in a few minutes.
	I mean, you think that I'm the new one, Nala?
	The thing is, is like, you guys are all about to find out differently.
	All right.
	I'm just so curious.
	He's married.
	Wait, oh my God.
	Well, I'd be so curious as to who married.
	Sorry, Brian.
	But I'll meet him.
	Oh, yes.
	I'll meet you.
	Brian, what were you going to say?
	Sorry.
	Look, it might be a good idea not to, you know, look, Andrew's going to match your energy.
	If you're going to be nasty towards Andrew, he's going to be nasty back.
	Right.
	And Andrew, he goes in.
	He will go in.
	Where's this going to?
	What?
	You know, thank God.
	I've seen this.
	Dude, I've seen this for about six hours.
	We'd be nice to him.
	I'm not surprised.
	Even if you are nice to him, he's not nice.
	So it doesn't matter.
	No, he matches energy.
	So if you're nice to him, that's not true.
	Yeah, no, literally, it's true.
	It's literally, literally true.
	I just watched it happen.
	It is literally true.
	Literally the best Andrew matches.
	He's the best at matching energy.
	Andrew is the best guy I've ever met.
	He's the best.
	Okay, wait, Nala, can you put your mic to the edge of the table?
	Yes, sir.
	She's getting past.
	Okay, go to Twitch, man.
	I don't know, bro.
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	You know, like first impression, I was kind of shocked.
	You know, the pink, purple hair.
	Doesn't mean I have to vote for Kamala.
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	I want to read a Bible verse.
	Don't there?
	Do it.
	Psalm, because you guys were really questioning my seven sons, okay?
	And you felt, I feel, what's that term?
	What's the term?
	I feel violated?
	Vindication.
	Vindicated.
	Vindicated.
	Called vindictive.
	I called, I feel called.
	What's the word, Andrew?
	It's like a Christian.
	Republican.
	Convicted.
	I feel convicted.
	Feel convicted, Brian.
	Is that the right word?
	I don't know.
	That's like guilt.
	No, that's the right word.
	No, it's the right word.
	Psalm.
	Psalm 127:4, like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in a man's youth.
	Does it say seven sons?
	Children.
	It doesn't say sons, does it?
	In a man's youth.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me find that.
	It does say children.
	It does say children, but obviously.
	So you think that means seven sons only?
	So you took the song.
	No, it doesn't mean seven and it doesn't mean sons.
	But like 10.
	You need your sons for the warrior component.
	Back question.
	I love bread.
	What do you pull a 19 kids and counting just to get enough boys?
	Wait, was I what?
	Pull a 19 kids and counting.
	Do that show.
	Wait, what?
	19 kids and counting.
	It's like it was like a religious person.
	It was like a TLC show back in the day.
	They had 19 kids and their kids had kids.
	I felt like I was always counting on.
	But what do you pull that if you had to get sons?
	Like, let's say you had five girls and also needed 10 girls.
	Oh, like, so how many girls before I have?
	Oh, we keep going until I get one son.
	Okay, so 20 kids and counting is this new show.
	Yeah, right.
	You help me have $5 million.
	I got it.
	She has it.
	She's got it.
	She got it.
	She got it.
	Yeah, I mean, I would want to, I want to keep going.
	I mean, if we already have like seven daughters, like, I'll be happy with one son, but I'd like to have like at least two, at least two.
	So if that means four daughters and we got to get to two sons, yeah, we like, yeah.
	What if they all transitioned?
	Oh, he's like, they are my sons.
	I mean, there's more than one way to get a son, I guess.
	Oh, my gosh.
	But the girls, all of human history society has been patrilineal.
	So it's always been from father to son.
	Yep.
	And even in modernity, it's from father to son.
	Now you can, I mean, you can coke laugh now, like you've been doing most of the evening, but that is the case.
	Can you define coke lab?
	No, cope.
	Oh, I was like, coke laugh.
	That's a new one.
	I love that he's just making up words.
	Yeah, so it's patrilineal.
	So it passes from father to son.
	And even now it passes to father to son.
	And still, even now, the woman is supposed to take the husband's name, whether they do or not.
	They're supposed to.
	But that is what patriarchy is.
	It's all patrilineal.
	So, of course, men want to have sons because sons carry their names.
	I mean, that's the way that that works.
	They're not always blessed with a son.
	But somebody wanting to have multiple sons, especially men, I totally understand it because that's what carries the name.
	Also, you know how there's different translations of the Bible?
	So some of them just say children, but I'm also seeing some here that it actually specifically specifies sons.
	So sons born during one's youth are like arrows in a warrior's hand.
	What version of the Bible is that?
	How joyful is the man whose quiver is full of them?
	What version?
	Version of the Bible.
	Hold on.
	N-R-V-N-L-T-E-S-V-E.
	I don't know.
	There's a lot of them.
	Christian Standard Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Good News Translation, Literal Standard Version, New American Bible, NET Bible, New Revised Standard, Young's Literal Translation.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	So just saying, you know?
	That's cool.
	I'm sure you'll get your sons.
	You will get your sons.
	Yes, one day.
	One heavy.
	One day.
	One name your four.
	Daughters will be cool too, you know?
	They could be badass.
	You could raise them to be like definitely going for the sons of God.
	Those are cool.
	Definitely going for the sons.
	Would you accept it if your daughters had sons?
	No.
	He's like, it's not that sad.
	I mean, it's still, that'd be cool.
	He doesn't want his daughter to be a whore.
	I gotta have.
	I gotta have at least two sons.
	Hopefully, it's three in case one of them's a fuck up.
	Hopefully, it's like four in case the other two are fuck up.
	And like, hopefully, seven.
	Hopefully, it's five.
	I feel like seven.
	All five of them.
	Seven is a good number.
	Insurance.
	Kick the first six fuck off.
	Like one of them dies from dysentery or some shit.
	The other dies.
	What year are we?
	We didn't explore.
	We are in the Victorian era.
	Dysentery.
	Are you King Henry VIII?
	Leo, you know.
	What if she can't and then runs out of what if she can't?
	Yeah, what happens if she runs out of eggs?
	You know what?
	You guys are going to hate my answer.
	Are you going to ask for an embryo?
	Are you going to ask for an embryo transplant?
	Just get another one.
	Another wife?
	Another woman.
	Another woman.
	Yeah, you guys take that shit.
	Like another embryo, basically.
	From another woman.
	He'd be like a fucking person.
	Also, here's the thing.
	I don't want to get married.
	Do you have this one?
	I don't want to get married.
	Are you serious?
	Correct.
	Are you Christian?
	Why?
	I don't want to get married.
	Why?
	Andrew's working on me.
	He's going to, Andrew's going to convert me to Orthodox Christianity.
	You're already quoting scripture.
	Please don't.
	He's really close.
	Hey, Nala, be respectful.
	What do you mean, please don't?
	Become a non-denominational Christian who believes that Jesus isn't divine and that never said that he doesn't matter and that submission means something else that means all I believe in is a relationship with God like you listen Nala, Andrew's chat has been excurs.
	What's that term?
	Excruciating.
	No, excoriating.
	Wait, what's that?
	Excruciating?
	Excoriating.
	They've been censuring and criticizing me severely.
	So I got to step up now, boys.
	Nala, I will have no part in your life.
	I will have no part in your heresy issues.
	Heresy church.
	Hold up, Brian.
	This is important.
	Hi, Life.
	So cute.
	Okay, just ignore it.
	Ignore it.
	Wait, what does it?
	What's up, Rachel?
	Hey, how's it going?
	Rachel, we were just talking about how Andrew's, he's getting me close.
	He's getting me close to Orthodox Christianity.
	And Nala over here is like, oh, no, don't do that.
	First off, first off.
	First off, put a little respect on Orthodox Christianity because rude, one.
	How can you put respect on it when you don't even believe in it?
	Did I?
	Look, I'm almost there.
	Chill out, Nala.
	You chill out, Brian.
	I'll make you chill out.
	And secondly, I wanted to meet you.
	That's why.
	Hold on, Nala.
	Hold on.
	And then, secondly, listen.
	Wait, what's the term you use, Rachel?
	It's the heresy church.
	Yeah, that's what I call it.
	Is that what you call it?
	Yeah, look.
	Orthodox Christianity, in my view.
	It's like the most based.
	It's the most based.
	What about having a relationship with Christ?
	God did not come to start a religion.
	He came to start a relationship.
	Yeah, but like, what are you basing this off?
	What I'm saying is.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You're not doing the spiritual but not religious routine, are you?
	Why do you believe in a religion?
	Did God create a religion or did he create disciples to go spread the word of God?
	Okay, well, if you read the Bible, Christ says, I have come to establish my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
	He didn't say, I came to leave you this Bible and you can just read it and the Holy Spirit will tell you whatever you want to hear and you just do your own thing, girl.
	You don't have to go to a church.
	You don't need these sacraments.
	You don't need this church canon.
	In fact, you wouldn't have a Bible if it wasn't for the Orthodox Church.
	Do you know anything about how the biblical canon is?
	So, for me, I actually don't.
	So, for me, because I, again, I do not believe in having a religion.
	I really don't believe in having a religion to get to heaven.
	I believe in having a relationship and thinking, and not even thinking, but knowing that Christ died on the cross for my sins and then I needed to repent and change my ways and then continue to live out my life spreading the word of God.
	Is it not that?
	Do you not believe in that?
	Or I'm confused.
	Does Jesus say that you have to eat his body and drink his blood to be saved?
	Does he does he command us to receive communion with him through the drinking of his blood and the eating of his body in the Bible?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Not to be saved, but it doesn't, it's not a requirement to be saved to have communion, but it's something you should do as a Christian.
	What do you think you're participating in when you're doing that?
	Have you ever taken communion?
	What is it that you're participating in when you take part in the Eucharist or have communion?
	I think having a deeper relationship with Christ and understanding that, again, the bread represents his body that you are taking and receiving into yourself.
	And then the blood, which isn't blood, but like grape juice or something.
	With Catholics, I know it's wine, but for me, I just feel like it's again communion with the Holy Spirit, communion with Christ, communion with God.
	That is what you are accepting.
	The problem here is that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
	You don't know anything about the history of Christianity, where your Bible came from, who and any of the contexts in which it was written.
	This is all really, really important.
	What Bible did you read?
	You don't know who you're having a relationship with.
	Jesus Christ?
	You don't think I know who I have a relationship with?
	You don't know who the person of Jesus Christ is unless you have some context.
	You don't just what?
	Let me ask you this: How did a Christian in the year 300 know Christ?
	Did they get their Bible?
	Did they read a Bible and read about Jesus, and that's how they had a relationship?
	No, I really think that it was the Holy Spirit that came down because he's claimed to be our helper, and that is what it happened.
	Like, even people in the Bible, they didn't have a Bible to go off of.
	Right.
	So, how do you just think that the Holy Spirit just comes down and does what?
	How's this work?
	He's claimed to be our helper and our teacher, so he teaches us.
	So, in all of us, in the Bible, in the Bible, it says that there's a part in us that knows who Christ is.
	So, no matter what, who or who it is, that there is a peace in us that knows who Christ is.
	And that will be revealed sometimes.
	But God can reveal himself in so many different ways to a person in dreams through a different person, through visions.
	Like, it could be any way possible.
	So, that's how I think.
	Okay, well, you the problem with this is you're doing like this DIY Mr. Potato Head Christianity where we just read the Bible and we get bits and pieces and we kind of put it together like a little Mr. Potato Head and we make up our own Christianity.
	I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
	As long as we get the spirit of the thing, that's all that counts.
	But that is not but you don't even know what I do in my practice to even understand how I got saved.
	You're telling me that what all I do is read the Bible whenever I feel like it and then I feel like I'm saved.
	Well, you have no idea what my spiritual walk looks like, ma'am.
	Ma'am, you think that the Eucharist is just like thinking about Jesus and the Holy Spirit while you eat some crackers and have some grapevine.
	No, I never said that communion between the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God is an actual relationship.
	But it's not the real presence of God.
	You said it's not his real blood, and it's not his real body.
	And you know that neither Roman Catholics.
	Is it not bread?
	Is it not bread and grape juice, bro?
	Is it not bread and grape juice?
	It's not bread and grape juice.
	Can I interject?
	This woman is not talking.
	If I could talk, you dragged me to the children.
	Thank you for the gift of talk.
	Thank you.
	This woman is not a Christian.
	She doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ.
	She doesn't believe in the real presence of the Eucharist.
	She thinks it's just bread and grape juice, bro.
	We just like her spirit.
	We just drink the jewels.
	She thinks it's just an empty symbol.
	She does not know what Christianity is.
	She doesn't even think it's a religion.
	This is a new age girl.
	This is a new age chick.
	Oh, it doesn't take new age anything to believe in Christ.
	Self-help.
	She found self-help Jesus.
	Buddy Christ.
	She found self-help Jesus and she made her own Mr. Potato Head Jesus that she follows.
	She's not even a Christian.
	She said so herself.
	Who are you?
	Say that I'm not a Christian.
	Who are you?
	You sound like a Pharisee.
	Christianity has specific criteria for who is a Christian.
	That's in your religion.
	That is in your religion.
	That is in your religion.
	I just want you on record saying Christianity is not a real religion.
	I never said that.
	I said, I am non-denominational.
	When did I say that?
	Is Christianity a religion?
	Is Christianity a religion?
	I'm sorry, but we have people on the table shaking their heads.
	No, that I didn't say that.
	Is Christianity a religion?
	Christianity, I don't think so.
	No.
	Well, then why are you arguing with me about?
	What are you arguing with me about?
	You're saying that what I'm doing is wrong and that I'm not a Christian.
	But like, would you agree that like Muslims, is that a religion?
	Yes.
	Islam is a religion, yes.
	Islam is a religion.
	But like there's okay, so Christianity is its own religion, but there's so many religions within just Christianity.
	Like Orthodox people call themselves Christians.
	So do Pentecostals.
	They call themselves Christians.
	So what?
	That's like the head of the umbrella.
	That's the head of the religion that follows Christ is still under the umbrella of Christianity.
	I'm going to be talking way over her head to explain things to her.
	We're going to have to go over like, you know, I'll just say this.
	You need to read church history.
	You need to educate yourself.
	You can't just snap your fingers and how does reading church history make you safe?
	You cannot come on here and start telling people what Christianity is when you have no freaking clue what it is yourself.
	You just don't.
	I'm sorry.
	Have you ever seen it?
	Oh, so I don't know Jesus.
	And learn.
	Learn first.
	This is what how does church history make you safe?
	How does church history make you safe?
	You quit OF and started a ministry and now you're out here teaching people on the podcast.
	I never started a ministry.
	Then why are you on here correcting people about theology?
	What your husband?
	Your husband who's calling me names?
	You're mad at me for correcting your husband who's calling me names and saying I'm not a Christian.
	Is that what you're mad about?
	I'm saying you're not a Christian.
	He also said I wasn't a Christian.
	Damn.
	Did you be a Christian when you deny the tenets of Christianity?
	Sorry, you can't.
	About like the communion.
	So basically for Catholics, there's something called transubstantiation, where when we go back and do like what's called like the Holy Thursday, where they said like, this is my body and I give it up to you.
	That whole part.
	Is that like Taco Tuesday?
	No.
	So basically, at that point, like there has been cases where the like bread that they give us turns into actual flesh and the blood turns into actual blood, which it happened, I think, in Argentina.
	It happened in Argentina.
	It happened in different places.
	And then they put it in like a specific thing and they do something called adoration.
	That's so cool.
	So that's what she's talking about.
	That is the whole point.
	Well, she never explained that, number one.
	But for me, it's like communion means something different for everyone.
	But communion means relationship.
	You are communing with the Holy Spirit.
	You're being in one.
	You are literally becoming like one with them.
	Why are you telling me this when you don't have any clue what you don't know what communion is for myself?
	So, my thing is, is like, why are you getting upset that I don't know church history when I literally just became a Christian?
	You're upset at me.
	Exactly.
	So, stop telling me what communion is.
	After you asked me what my opinion was, $200.02.
	I can't believe you woke up Rachel to argue theology.
	Andrew could have covered this.
	What we really need from you is to tell these 304 whatever.
	Let's talk about egalitarianism.
	Let's hear it.
	Let's hear it, Rachel.
	Submission.
	Sure.
	I just want to understand how you guys think that the word submission means I will allow you to lead with my express approval, which I may revoke at any time.
	Please explain to me how that in any way could possibly be the meaning of submission.
	It's literally the opposite.
	Yeah.
	You're like, if you can convince me, right?
	If I can be convinced that you are making a good decision, then I will allow you.
	I will get my little rubber stamp out and I will stamp my approval and say, you may lead on this issue because you have convinced me and I am satisfied with your explanation.
	But if I change my mind tomorrow, this gets revoked.
	We're not doing it.
	And you're going to once again have to litigate your case to me for why we should do what you want.
	you Rachel wait Justy you have Justy you and Andrew were having the back and forth there I feel like Justy, you and Rachel should have that back and forth.
	Can I be honest?
	I'm actually kind of scared.
	I'm more scared of her than you.
	No, she's not.
	She likes that.
	It's out of respect.
	I promise.
	You know, I'm not.
	Look at my sweatshirt.
	I'm cuddly.
	I even look at her.
	She's a teddy bear.
	She's a teddy bear.
	Yeah.
	You know, honestly, I've done some thinking, you know, in my silent moments after our little, I guess, debate.
	And honestly, I've taken a lot into what you said in consideration.
	You know, I think maybe I had, I felt maybe a little hostility, so I was trying to argue back and forth.
	But honestly, I think I may be tiny bit convinced a little bit about like your guys's view on submission.
	I'm not going to say that, yeah, for sure.
	I agree 100% because I still need to do a lot of thinking on my own.
	I am going to take your guys's view into consideration and really think about what submission means to me.
	And I'm going to do something on my own.
	I don't want to submit to just these theories, not theories, these definitions that are being told to me in one night.
	I'm going to spend some time thinking about it.
	I might even talk to my parents about it.
	My dad's an elder at our church and I trust his word more than anything, more than any professor.
	So I might go talk to him about it.
	There's a lot of things I talk to my parents about just to like, you know, is this what I'm, like, just not even, is this why I should believe, but it's like, is this like what you guys would teach me?
	Or is this something you guys would endorse?
	Just stuff like that.
	So I take everything you guys are saying, like what you just explained to us right there.
	I took that into consideration.
	I took what you said in consideration and I took what Andrew said into consideration.
	And I think I'm just going to take some time to, you know, process and think about it.
	And I don't want to, I don't want to go into another debate because I know that I'm not going to end up with that.
	I got the message.
	I got the message.
	Okay.
	In you guys' defense, real quick, every single one of you, and myself included, anybody who's like under the age of 75, you've been programmed your whole life with feminist presuppositions about the world and how it works and what to think about relationships and marriage.
	And that's all of us.
	All of us are born with that.
	We're programmed with it.
	And it takes questioning the programming and thinking stuff through to figure it out.
	And sometimes that's hard to do.
	It's painful to do because you're like, wait, have I had like a wrong idea about this this whole time?
	Because this is what I've always heard and it's what I've always seen in the culture and in the pop culture.
	And it's what I was raised with for a lot of people.
	So don't feel too bad about going, oh shit, I guess I've never really thought this through.
	I'm just working off of assumptions and propaganda that I've been told.
	So I mean, especially if you being really young like you guys, don't feel too bad about having to like stop and think stuff through and consider that maybe Andrew's not the meanest, craziest man on the internet.
	He might be doing his job, which is to like poke at your programming and try to untangle it.
	And that can be, that can feel shitty sometimes, to be honest.
	So you guys are strong, independent women, and you can all handle it.
	I believe in you.
	You're queens.
	You're tens.
	You can do this.
	Oh, no.
	I think also it's just that there's this, like, as you said, there's this really broad version of what feminism is.
	And I think, according to that broad version, I don't think a lot of us would be, would consider ourselves feminism, which is basically hating men.
	We want to be better than men.
	Like a lot of this stuff, we never consider like, you know, the small itty-bitty nitty-gritties of what, like, a feminism, like submission.
	I've never considered that.
	I'm like, I've considered it because it's biblical and I read it in the Bible, but I've never considered like, oh, what would I do in this situation?
	What would I do in that situation?
	So it's a lot of things that are kind of being uncovered in this podcast, really, that I never would have even considered outside of this.
	I'm like, social media really shows us this like small little group of what feminism really is.
	So honestly, like getting different points of view, getting people from different denominations, like you guys are from Orthodox, I'm from Reform Presbyterian.
	Like I'm hearing so many different like information.
	I'm just like absorbing it all, you know?
	So honestly, it's actually kind of exciting.
	Well, here's a really good example of programming.
	When you guys hear the word submit, your brain doesn't hear the word submit.
	It hears the word slave.
	And I totally get that.
	I'm a woman too.
	And that's what I used to associate it with when I was younger as well.
	But if you actually stop to think about it, so do you guys think, because this is why everybody always wants to drag me down here, right?
	They're like, I can't believe that his wife would go along with him saying this awful stuff.
	And then I come down and say, okay, look, if Andrew says, honey, I know I've got this really good, secure job where I'm making 200K a year, but I have a business idea.
	I've got a great plan.
	It's way like over your head of like, it's got stuff, things to do with stuff you have no idea about.
	And I really just don't want to like explain a bunch of stuff to you that's completely over your head and confuse you with stuff that you know nothing about and care nothing about.
	So I just want you to trust me.
	I know it's a little risky, but I'm taking this leap of faith.
	And that's what I'm going to do.
	Now the wife is going to immediately go to like, oh, but what if we don't have health insurance?
	And what if we don't have this?
	And what if it doesn't work out?
	And do you have a backup plan?
	And how do I know this is going to work?
	And what if it means that our income goes down for a while?
	The woman's like natural thing is going to be to come up with every objection possible.
	And sometimes in order for men to get things done, they have to be like, look, you just got to trust me on this.
	I don't have like days to convince you and months to calm all your fears and your worries.
	And like, you know, I really can't go through all that.
	This is what I'm going to do.
	I have a really great opportunity.
	I'm going to go ahead and do it.
	Sometimes men have to do that because otherwise life becomes nothing but non-stop.
	Like the husband feels like he has to sell the wife on every single decision, and she's got to be convinced of every angle.
	And if she's not sure, she's going to constantly pester him and go, I don't know about it.
	It really makes me nervous.
	And I've been thinking, you know, sometimes men just have to be: look, this is what we're doing.
	Just trust me.
	I'll handle it.
	And if you really are worried that you married a guy who you can't trust, at least to that degree, you shouldn't marry him.
	But what you'll find if you've been married a long time, like I have, is the trust grows.
	So in the beginning, it'll be small things.
	And then your husband, and husbands make mistakes, and they have to grow as people too.
	They don't get everything right in the beginning.
	They have to figure out through making mistakes what works and what doesn't too.
	So you have to have a lot of grace in the beginning, first five, ten years of your marriage.
	If your husband makes decisions, he has a great plan and it doesn't work out.
	You can't forever hold that over his head and be like, remember the last time that you told me and it didn't work out?
	Her voice is the same.
	It's the same.
	Her voice is not the same.
	No, no, when he does that mocking voice, you guys do the same mocking voice.
	Yes, yes.
	I think he learned it from her.
	There's some similarities.
	There are some creepy similarities.
	I'm just saying, like, this, this is why I was just trying to briefly kind of explain from the man's perspective why they don't want to endlessly litigate every decision.
	They can't get shit done.
	And they need to be efficient and on top of things.
	And they have to get good at making decisions and not second-guessing themselves.
	And so you have to back them up on that shit.
	Oh, Rachel, your audio cut out there.
	Audio cut out.
	Rachel, I have one question for you before.
	I don't know if.
	Oh, can't hear you.
	What happened?
	The mic unplugged.
	She unplugged her mic.
	She was too based for the microphone.
	It's just like, oh man, we can't handle any more of these based tricks.
	We could read her lips.
	She's laughing.
	She's laughing.
	Based patriarchy.
	Ortho takes anymore.
	Oh, no.
	Andrew, tech support.
	Uh-oh.
	I think we need a man.
	Yes.
	Calling Mr. Uh-oh.
	Wait, can they hear you on her stream?
	On, like, yo, Crucible Chat.
	Did.
	Hold on, let me pull it up.
	Can you guys hear her?
	Or is it just on our end?
	Let me see.
	Crucible chat.
	I don't know if you're watching.
	One in the chat, Crucible.
	If you can hear her, two.
	Two in the chat if you guys can't hear her.
	Crucible, because is she bugged for the Crucible?
	Oh, she's bowed.
	Yay!
	X support came.
	The patriarchy.
	The patriarchy.
	That's crazy.
	The patriarchy came.
	Yes.
	Patriarchy works.
	Patriarchy.
	Wait, Rachel, Rachel, really quick.
	I don't know if you're listening.
	I don't know if you're watching the show earlier.
	I just want your kind of take on.
	Is he going to say bowing?
	No.
	We have a perfect 10 out of 10 here at the table, Rachel, who wants a $5 million a year man.
	She should guess.
	Rachel, we need a woman's perspective here.
	Obviously, us men, you know, we need to hear a woman's perspective on this.
	Rachel, did you hear that part of the show?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I did.
	What you think?
	I feel like she kind of knows now that she's heard it out loud and had it challenged that that's probably not very realistic.
	And the natural thing to do out of embarrassment is double down and be like, well, I can dream though.
	And I'm not going to settle.
	But I mean, the truth is, like, you're probably passing up a lot of great dudes by having super unrealistic expectations.
	And that hurts you, not the men.
	So, I think just like not being devil's advocate, but I think I've rearrated myself that like it depends on the situation and knowing the person.
	I know I have this.
	I've been saying I know it's unrealistic.
	It's just a thing that because of what my past experience happened, I put myself as like, oh, I don't care.
	And I realize I do care because of like the amount of times that, again, I've been used for like financially and abused financially by these men that have 500K.
	You know, come on.
	You know, 500K.
	I'm very flexible.
	I think, like, it.
	I mean, even 500K is good.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	500K would be really good.
	I think I've like I've reiterated myself a lot that I said, like, yeah, it just depends on the situation and I'm flexible.
	But that has been like something that I put on the top.
	And I know it's like unrealistic.
	And I've been saying that I know it's unrealistic, but I think it just puts in a sense that I just want better for myself.
	Yeah, but it sounds to me like what you needed better was a guy with better character.
	Like if you're getting cheated on or the guy's a scumbag, it wasn't a lack of money or you know, any of those other things you cited.
	And it's like, if you need to get over that relationship, because it sounds almost like you're like, if you can't meet impossibly high standards, I'm not even going to look at you, which you know basically takes you out of the running.
	It's almost like you're trying to like unintentionally sabotage yourself by having wild expectations, maybe.
	I don't know, but I think all men are bad.
	You're going to get a bad.
	I had a bad one before.
	I had two bad ones.
	It happens.
	You make you pick the wrong guy and you go, shit, I picked the wrong guy.
	And then you look at the things you picked that were bad.
	You know, now with hindsight, you can go back and go, oh, gee, you know, there was maybe some things I missed there.
	It was a character flaw.
	Maybe next time I won't do that.
	But I don't think it has to do with the guy having money.
	I think you were going to be a real estate and a surgeon and a singer.
	You got like three careers going on.
	Plus, you're going to be a stay-at-home mom, but not submit, but still have a career.
	So you've got a lot going.
	Maybe just like make a list, sort it out, because it's not all.
	I don't know how you're going to do all of that.
	I think I'm also in a healing journey.
	It's been like a long time.
	I'm in a healing journey too.
	For a long time.
	And like, look, I had, you know, I had some bad experiences with women my age.
	Now I only date 19 and 20-year-old Victoria's secret models.
	Oh, my God.
	I won't settle for less.
	Good for you.
	And also, no, that's it.
	She was left.
	Can we get you down to 70K?
	Can we just get you down to 70K?
	Or we can just move on from that.
	That's good.
	Yeah, she's taking a dead horse.
	Sure, you want to shake on it?
	You want to shake on it?
	No, we don't need to shake, but can we get you down to 70K?
	Oh my God, I'd say you sure.
	Like, I'm over the topic.
	Look at that.
	That's a W.
	This was a war of attrition.
	Do you guys have anything more for me before I go?
	We need an Uwo.
	Just kidding.
	What?
	I asked Andrew that too.
	I asked Andrew that too.
	Nala was like, Brian, you gotta ask this.
	I never said that.
	Not an Uwu.
	We threw you under the bus.
	I asked.
	Look, I've asked Andrews.
	I've asked Andrew for an Uwo many times.
	He doesn't do it.
	I'm working just like how he's working on me to become an Orthodox Christian.
	I am working on working on him.
	I like this.
	He's probably going to have more success on getting me, but you know, it is what it is.
	Counteroffer his audience.
	Thank you for.
	I was kidding, by the way, Rachel.
	Thank you for coming, Rachel.
	Thank you, Rachel.
	Tonight.
	Okay, so we need to get your husband in.
	We need to get your husband.
	I don't know if my husband.
	You want to check your phone real quick?
	All right, guys.
	She's going to check her phone.
	We're going to do a couple.
	I'm going to read this.
	We have M. Juxtapose.
	Thank you, man, for the message.
	Christianity equals relationship with God.
	Translation: it's between me and God.
	Therefore, you ought to not hold me accountable nor righteously judge me.
	Once again, covert feminist bastardizing the church from M juxtapose 03.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	That was beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much.
	Oh, look at that.
	He's back.
	He's got, hey, that's a nice jacket you got there, Andrew.
	When are you going to send me one of those?
	Is that a bomber jacket?
	Send me a jacket.
	I'll send you a crucible jacket.
	Send me 10.
	There's only 10 in existence.
	Wow, I want a certificate of authenticity on that one, Andrew.
	Make sure.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Okay, let's get through all the notes.
	We'll do two tweets.
	We'll do Roast Session.
	Here, why don't we pull up?
	Roast session.
	Yeah, we're going to do a Roast Session at the end.
	Let's see here.
	I don't know how to roast people.
	Where?
	Here, let's do the tweets.
	Let's just react to the tweets.
	I was listening to that.
	I did think it was ironic that Rachel also said that Nala was a fake Christian.
	I just wanted to point that out.
	I just thought that that was also equally hilarious.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	All right, make it bigger, please.
	Make it bigger.
	Yeah.
	Okay, this is a tweet.
	Truly, the best advice I can give to other men when it comes to vetting a woman during the dating process is to drop a light slur on the first date, casually slip in retard a couple times and see how she reacts.
	That's what I do for friends.
	Yeah, I do that.
	What's your go-to?
	Retard.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And sometimes, like, Lord.
	I can't.
	Or sometimes I'll just be like.
	She would use such language.
	How could a Christian ever use?
	I'm a simple woman.
	Wait, there was a person.
	Yeah, grab it a moment.
	It's horrific.
	It's horrific.
	It's really funny, right, though.
	I did want to point out that it does seem that the rules are kind of selectively applied, right?
	Kind of a little bit selectively applied when it comes to Andrew's a mean, awful human being because he doesn't put up with any bullshit.
	But I also say retard to people when they're being retarded, right?
	It's like, ah, I think that's fine.
	Me personally, I think that's fine.
	But just might want to, you know, might want to think about that.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Everybody knows you never go full retard.
	You never go full retard ever.
	Don't call retarded people retards.
	Yeah, I love it.
	That's easy.
	You call your friends retards when they're acting.
	It is true.
	It is true.
	That is so true.
	I actually have had two bad date experiences where one was back in 2012 where I said retard and she blew up the date over it.
	In 2012?
	Yeah, in 2012.
	Wow, that was a wow.
	That's an ancient set.
	That's 2012.
	That's a lot of time.
	People said that like all the time then.
	Yeah.
	And here's the thing: here's the context, right?
	I like dropped something or spilled something.
	Not on her, just like, I don't know.
	I spilled like a glass of water on the table.
	Yeah.
	Easy mess to clean up.
	And I was just like, oh, I'm such a retard.
	And she got, I wasn't calling her a retard.
	I wasn't talking poorly about mentally retarded people.
	I was talking about myself.
	I was self-deprecating.
	And she dropped you.
	She blew up the date, but here's where I kind of with a bomb.
	There's a family.
	No, just it.
	She was like, oh, wow.
	She was like, this is like, I can't even believe it.
	It was pre-woke.
	Yeah.
	It was like 2012.
	That was like the beginning of wokeness, I feel like.
	It was like the start.
	Okay, social media is coming.
	But anyways, so she totally loses it.
	She's like, whoa, whoa.
	We were otherwise having a good time, good banter.
	Totally loses it.
	Total buzzkill.
	And she's like, wow, that's really insensitive to people who are, you know, mentally handicapped or whatever the fuck the term was.
	I swear.
	I swear.
	And then, and then here's the thing, though.
	And then I was like, this is 2012.
	So mind you.
	I mean, that's the point, though.
	Like, that's what makes it funny.
	You're pointing at someone and being like, you're just like that person over there who's like, that's the point.
	But so here's where I really dug myself a hole.
	Granted, I'm pretty sure it was already just, it was done.
	It was done.
	But it was going great.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Had I not said that, you guys saw my pictures when I was younger.
	But we did.
	You're good.
	You know, but it would have come out, came out eventually.
	Yes.
	Maybe you would have gotten married.
	Probably for the who knows.
	But I would have, I would have.
	I probably would have hit.
	Anyways.
	But wow.
	So, this is a hold on.
	Here's what happened, though.
	This is 2012.
	So I'm like, how can I explain to her?
	Remember, it's 2012.
	How can I explain to her that I wasn't trying to be offensive to mentally challenge people?
	I was just trying to like, you know, self-deprecate, whatever.
	So I was like, I was like, you know how it is.
	You know, when you're like, you know, like, you call your, you call your friend like the F-word.
	Yeah.
	I can't repeat it because YouTube.
	It's like when you call your guy like, oh, you're such a 2012.
	Yes.
	Whoops, what the fuck?
	Why are you making that face, bro?
	Who says that?
	It was 2012, bro.
	Mary American girls.
	12 whole years ago.
	Okay.
	It was 2012.
	You got to remember, bro.
	We talked differently.
	We talked differently back then.
	Back in my day.
	Back in my face.
	Let me tell you what.
	Hey, oh, oh, she.
	Yo.
	What's up?
	Hey, we got a.
	You know what?
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We are, like World War II, we're kicking the German.
	And I'm just like, here, so could you stand next to the doll while we have.
	What's your name, by the way?
	Jordan.
	While we have Jordan take your seat.
	Next to the doll.
	You could sit on the window.
	You could just sit on the edge.
	You could have a good time with her.
	I feel like you.
	Do you want to take my spot and I stand behind you?
	Wait, what?
	She can.
	No, you stay there.
	You sit.
	Stay.
	So, Nala, you'll be there, and then we'll have Jordan sit there.
	All right, guys.
	Can we get some W's in the chat for Jordan here?
	Can we get some.
	All right.
	Oh, damn.
	How tall are you, man?
	6'4.
	What's your background?
	Are you part of military?
	No, no, I meant like 2.7 different things.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm like Pacific Islander.
	Yeah, partially that.
	African-American.
	Samoan.
	Yeah.
	Simoan.
	Hawaiian.
	Oh, this guy's a unit.
	Careful, Andrew.
	Careful, Andrew.
	Careful.
	This is the Joker.
	It was the guy who was giving your wife a bunch of shit earlier today.
	Oh, really?
	I was just wondering what kind of guy, you know, marries a prostitute.
	Andrew!
	I mean, she's not a prostitute.
	Well, she was six months ago, and she's correcting people who are Christians about Christianity.
	In order to six months ago, he's a new one.
	He's one of those.
	You're a big religion boy.
	Who was six months ago was guzzling Jesus.
	Eight months.
	Andrew.
	Eight months.
	Andrew, bro.
	Yeah, you definitely sound like a Christian.
	Oh, my God.
	Andrew.
	I'm still in the room, Andrew.
	I'm telling you facts.
	I'm giving you facts.
	They might upset you, but these are facts.
	What's funny is your facts are actual lies because six months ago is not the correct number.
	It's about eight months ago is when I stopped.
	Oh, no.
	But I stopped making content a year ago.
	I stopped making content a year ago.
	See, look at here.
	We got the argumentative.
	You're right.
	I had the timeline checker here.
	I had the timeline wrong.
	I'm just wondering, though, why it's okay for a brand new Christian to run around correcting everybody about Christianity when they were a prostitute eight months ago, sir.
	I don't understand that.
	I mean, that's a great question.
	But I mean, look at Saul in the Bible.
	He turned to Paul.
	He converted a lot of people to Christianity.
	And wrote half the Bible.
	And wrote half the Bible.
	Yeah, so here's the thing.
	He had a commission directly from Jesus Christ who appeared to him.
	Literally appeared to him.
	So the thing is, is like, I don't, I'm not, like, I don't want to beat up on anybody, but I think that it's disgusting when people who literally have moved from a life of horrors into the salvation of Christ use it as a shield from criticism and then to boot on top of the shield from criticism, then begin correcting people as though they have the foundation to correct them.
	They don't have the foundation for this.
	I mean, I've never heard a Christian talk like you before.
	So are you sure you're even a Christian?
	Yeah, well, I mean, what is a Christian to you?
	Do you believe in the Trinity too?
	Yes, I believe in Jesus.
	Okay, so can you explain the Trinity to me?
	Father, Son, Holy Spirit?
	Yeah, what is the Trinity, though?
	Father, Son, the Holy Spirit.
	Yeah, that is the Trinity.
	What do you mean, though?
	God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who's with us here on earth.
	Yeah, okay.
	Andrews, is that like a hard thing for you to comprehend?
	I'm asking an ontological question: the state of being.
	What is this?
	Yeah, so it's fine that you're a Trinitarian.
	Okay, God and Jesus are in heaven.
	The Holy Spirit is here on earth.
	Thank you.
	I fucking told you, Andrew.
	When I was discussing with your wife, she said that the Trinity was divided into parts.
	It is, but they are one.
	Three and one.
	Yeah, three and one.
	Three and one.
	You're making me lose brain cells, man.
	Okay, so let me say it this way.
	Is Jesus Christ God?
	They're three in one.
	Did you not hear the other answer?
	Yeah, I got it, but do you understand the circumstances?
	Because you wouldn't ask that question if you got it.
	Well, I'm trying to ask it.
	You need to hear it.
	Jesus Christ is God, yes?
	Yes.
	Okay, great.
	And God is God?
	Yes.
	Okay, and the Holy Spirit is God.
	Yes.
	Give me a second.
	Sign your life away.
	They're still in your soul.
	They are.
	In your brain cells.
	It's too late for us now.
	It's actually a marriage contract, me and Jordan.
	You're married to all of us.
	You're political.
	Non-denomination.
	It's a non-denomination.
	All right, what are you saying?
	We're getting.
	What is he saying?
	Jordan.
	Oh, my gosh.
	No, will you?
	Jordan.
	Her's yours.
	Her's are better.
	You signed it up.
	Her.
	And mine's real.
	Why do you not have that?
	In case I got proposed to somebody.
	Like a strapping 6-4.
	I thought you didn't believe it.
	I thought married woman was strapping.
	Always strapped.
	Literally.
	Suss.
	My bad.
	Suss.
	Now we see why you were not getting married.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	Chat.
	I'm married to a woman.
	So you know what?
	Maybe I could just get through some of the notes really quick.
	And then you guys can go at each other's throats.
	Cool.
	Harper, W. Harper.
	Who's Harper?
	Oh, Vi.
	Why do I have your throats?
	Your Instagram handle threw me off.
	Wait, Scudden said.
	I have a personal Instagram.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So you said you guessed something unique could be that you don't really date.
	Every time you get into something with someone, it results in a long-term relationship.
	It's been one long relationship after another.
	Yeah, are these the new ones or the old?
	Could be old.
	I don't remember.
	I do not recall.
	New ones.
	I have those too, probably.
	I'm just going through everything.
	You said you're married to a Muslim.
	I am.
	Okay.
	You said you know converting and different religious beliefs can be an issue for people.
	I know religion isn't usually the focus of the podcast, but maybe sharing the different challenges and changes in a relationship.
	Yeah.
	Wait, are you Muslim?
	I converted.
	You converted to Islam.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	You used to be what?
	Nothing.
	Oh, you were just atheist?
	No.
	I believed in God.
	I just never.
	You were a Gnostic?
	I never claimed any religion.
	The churches I went to were evangelical churches.
	Christian?
	Christian churches.
	Is that like apostasy?
	To like go from Christianity to well, they can marry.
	So a woman can't marry outside of the religion if she's Muslim, but a man can as long as she is Christian or Jewish, I believe.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You said in the past you moved to a different country for someone.
	That's also something that could be talked about whether or not someone would do that, just drop their whole lives or make some big change for someone.
	I'm someone that believes in being selfless for those you love or really just have a selfless way of thinking.
	In general, I do feel that there's a lack of that in Monger.
	Yeah, so that just goes with me converting.
	That was a selfless thing that I did.
	And also in the past, I've done some really big gestures as well.
	And I feel like a lot of times women don't do that anymore if it comes to the expense of something like their career or whatnot.
	So that's just a topic that we could have probably talked about.
	Just going around and seeing if anybody did that.
	Okay.
	You said you regretted many things, a few things such as burlesque dancing and then taking remotely provocative photos.
	Yeah.
	So did you used to do OF?
	No, I never had any of that.
	Like you mean sending nudes to your boyfriend?
	I've never sent no.
	No, not like that.
	So when I was younger.
	Yeah, when I was younger, I was in performing arts and one of those things.
	I joined a burlesque group and that in that in when I was doing that, there would be like a photographer there.
	So I would be on their page.
	Or if I had a photographer friend who took pictures, like I would participate in that.
	And those are the things I do regret doing because I'm not like that anymore.
	I mean, I'm pretty modest now.
	So I wish those are the things that I wish I could take.
	And you regret them, though.
	Yeah.
	You said also in your notes, convincing you, Brian and me, that he should get married.
	Oh, yeah, that was like the news.
	You said you want to make an argument.
	Yeah, because I thought you were going to bring that up.
	I just tried to broke it.
	I just got rejected, bro.
	That's insane.
	How am I going to get married right now?
	I just take L's all the time.
	I thought you were going to have a lot of fun.
	I'm going to have to go to tons.
	How are you going to have a son with my husband?
	And make that make sense.
	Have everybody convince you.
	Sorry, go ahead, guys.
	Like you usually do.
	So I was like prepared and ready.
	I thought you wanted someone to box.
	Convince Brian.
	I do.
	No girlfriend would do that.
	Only a married woman.
	No girlfriends.
	Wait, why don't you believe in marriage?
	I don't think.
	Hold on, there's like 20 different questions.
	Here, let's start with yours.
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	I feel like a lot of girls do things that are wifey material instead.
	They're not girlfriend.
	Like, I think a lot of girlfriends do what should be a wife's thing to do.
	And I think a lot of girls are straying away from that and doing the bare minimum for guys.
	So if you want, I don't know.
	I don't know, actually.
	I think I'm like straying away out of this.
	But if you want to, I think if you want a woman to bow for you, you have to put a ring on it first.
	I mean, I get the bow on the first date, so I'm good on that.
	I'm good there.
	Who are you dating?
	I'm good there.
	What do you mean?
	You said you get the bow on the first date.
	Who is dating you, bro?
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean?
	You question that someone would date me?
	No.
	I'm asking, like, who are you dating?
	Haven't you been single for like ever?
	What are you talking about?
	Because, like, what the fuck?
	I'm asking you, who are you dating?
	Because you're like, a girl would bow to me on the first date.
	What kind of girl are you dating?
	How would she submit to you on the first date when you're nothing but just a first date?
	Is she Asian?
	Yeah, she could be Asian.
	I could date there a couple Asian women.
	Oh, cultural confidence.
	I'm just asking, like, who's bowing to you on the first date?
	Wait, what do you mean?
	I don't understand.
	Didn't you just say that, though?
	Am I wrong?
	I did.
	But what do you mean?
	So you want her social security number?
	What do you want?
	No, no, no.
	Okay, chat.
	What type of people are you dating?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I date white women, Asian women, occasionally Latina women.
	Latina's bowing?
	And that's it.
	Oh, yeah, Latina.
	On the first date.
	That's crazy.
	Not just.
	So do they see you and just go, I show them the video.
	You showed that birthday.
	I pull up the video.
	I'm like, boom, check that out.
	That's just not the first one.
	And they immediately, oh, she's like, master!
	You guys, hold on.
	Well, you guys will love this.
	I also have an expectation that she does my laundry on the first date, too.
	No.
	No way.
	Wait, so you take a first date?
	Sure, why not?
	It's definitely not a Latina.
	Yeah.
	She ain't doing your laundry the first date and bowing for me.
	I'm going to talk about it.
	Is she AI?
	Is she an AI bot?
	Bring them here.
	She was.
	Is this a testable boss?
	Wait, okay, Nala.
	Check this out, right?
	Check this out, right?
	So, okay.
	That's called a prostitute.
	Oh, it's a minor.
	So, okay, Nala.
	So, Taylor.
	Look.
	But here's again: I've made this argument all the time.
	Guys and girls will literally fuck within 30 minutes of meeting.
	A girl will be having your seed on and around her face within 30 minutes of me.
	What does it have to do with doing your laundry and bowing to you the first date?
	I'm saying girls will do that.
	They'll do that.
	They'll allow.
	Oh my god.
	I'm not disagreeing with you, but what is it?
	Certain URLs.
	Certainly you are.
	Not all girls.
	Not all girls.
	Of course.
	Not these two.
	Thank you.
	Or three.
	Or whatever.
	But a girl will like S the D. I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I'm just asking.
	Dude, I'm so confused about a Latina doing your laundry.
	The first date is bowing.
	If it was like a Latina doing, I don't think the first date, but a Latina would do the laundry if they're like in a really like strictly traditional home.
	Like I'm not disagreeing with that, but like first date.
	This is what you do.
	Yeah, that's a strange.
	On the first date, I'll do a little leeway.
	It's already washed.
	You just have to fold.
	That's it.
	It's like manipulation.
	You gotta get it.
	What if they owe you to do your laundry?
	Wait, what do they owe you?
	Let me ask you a question, Ale.
	You're telling, like, you've never had these simpy dudes in your DMs.
	I would do everything to be with you.
	Of course, I haven't.
	I've never done anything with them.
	They're just simpy dudes in my DMs that I've never seen.
	I love simps.
	I love female simps.
	For you?
	Sorry.
	Yes.
	Sorry.
	Okay, okay, I get it.
	So these are simpy girls.
	This isn't like a strong-willed Latina who's just like bowing down to you.
	You mean a six-foot-one?
	220.
	220 pounds of muscle steel and sex appeal.
	Why are you describing my ideal man?
	There's a bit of fat in there, too.
	I used to say 180 pounds of muscle steel and sex appeal, but now it's 220 pounds of lard.
	Lard.
	Lord, Lard.
	Lord, retard.
	Hi, Erner.
	Hi, Erner.
	Hi, Million.
	So, how do you rizz up these girls in the first place?
	How do I rizz up?
	Yeah, really.
	Oh, they're simps.
	He doesn't even need to.
	Oh, sure, they're simps.
	Look.
	I get, look, I get.
	You guys underestimate me.
	I'm telling you.
	I am.
	Simps for Brian 2024.
	But yes, I have had, I've been treated well by women.
	I feel like I wore that fedora over there.
	You're a virgin.
	What are you fucking telling?
	You've never even had a boyfriend.
	My bad.
	My bad, guys.
	My bad.
	She.
	I'm sure she's had simps in her DMs, though.
	Easy.
	I've had fans.
	But that's about it.
	Where's the ring?
	Look, I, look, laundry, first date.
	How did we even get there?
	You said that.
	I was just a woman.
	You mentioned the bowing laundry.
	Okay, let me bring it back.
	Let me move things forward because otherwise we'll be here to fucking 2A.
	I can't do that, bro.
	We'll be here till fucking 2A.
	It's convincing you to get married.
	Convincing you to get married.
	Then you guys had to jump in about the.
	I don't know.
	I think it was just like, oh, you would want to.
	How am I going to get the bow without marriage?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I said, why don't you?
	I don't believe in marriage.
	Why don't you believe in marriage?
	Because it's a massive L for dudes.
	Why is it a massive L for dudes?
	The financial repercussions are significant in the event of divorce.
	Then why aren't you marrying someone that actually loves you?
	Wait, that actually loves me?
	Because, like, why would you get divorced?
	Is that actually a question?
	For in your mind, why are you so worried about divorce if you're committed to someone?
	Do you think people that get married go into that specific marriage with the anticipation that they were eventually going to get divorced?
	No, I have to say that.
	But why are you pretty worried about it if you're committed to someone like them?
	They're committed to each other.
	Because women are fickle.
	Y'all change your minds.
	Men change their minds.
	Till death do us part don't mean nothing to y'all it don't mean nothing it's true 80 divorces are initiated by women what are the godly woman a godly there you go she'll believe in biblical values he doesn't he doesn't take those views so it's like sure as a Christian we can go forward and say so it's just like we're called to do that but even we're called to do that yeah but even Christian people get divorced do you think do you think Christianity is an antidote to divorce I think Now, look, I'll be charitable.
	I'll be charitable, right?
	So, I think the rates of divorce among religious people is lower.
	I'll grant that, but divorce still occurs.
	And you know, even pious Christian women, I mean, Andrew brought up Stephen Crowder before, this man.
	I'll know the full details of their conflict or dilemma or whatever.
	He married, they were both virgins, I think, when they met.
	They're both Christian.
	She's divorcing the guy.
	Being Christian does not preclude you from divorce.
	And also, when you do get divorced, your faith, your values, the church is not going to oversee the divorce.
	The state is going to oversee the divorce.
	And that's absolutely catastrophic to men most of the time.
	If I could add, like, I think, I'm not sure.
	I'm not Christian, so I don't know.
	Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it considered a sin in Christianity to divorce?
	Yeah, so it is.
	There are why I think it would be less.
	There are exceptions.
	Like, if a man has a woman, let me ask you a question.
	There was an angel.
	Let me ask you a question.
	You're married to a guy.
	You get married to him.
	And there's no abuse.
	There's no infidelity.
	You've fallen completely out of love with him and you're vaguely unhappy, but there's no abuse.
	There's no abuse.
	There's no infidelity.
	Sorry.
	But you're really unhappy.
	But he treats you well enough.
	Again, no abuse, no infidelity.
	Is that pretext for divorce?
	I don't.
	I think divorce is just a cheap escape.
	I think there's things that can be worked out.
	I think there's things that could be prayed about.
	There's elders of church, there's pastors that I'm like, this situation has happened in my church before, and it's been solved through speaking to pastors, through speaking to family members, through talking to each other.
	Even like this couple, they spent a week apart and they came back and they talked and they had a whole bunch of issues, but in the end, they came back together and they found peace and they found that well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.02.
	Brian, just be like the sim.
	I mean genius.
	Sitting at the table and marry a millionaire prostitute so that she can't take your money when she gets bored of the grift.
	You spent $200 on that.
	$202.
	Wait, so Lol Paladins think for the TTS.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, can you?
	And we're back at the point of save your money.
	Here, let me ask you then: if a woman is just vaguely unhappy, but there's no abuse and there's no infidelity, is that enough pretext for divorce?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	But in her head, and at least how the laws allow it to occur, she could get a divorce, right?
	You acknowledge she could get a divorce.
	She could, right?
	Right.
	And then the faith, the Christian values, go out the window when her secular lawyer, because most people don't navigate a divorce without counsel, and her secular attorney is going to say, well, you're entitled to XYZ and communal property, and there was no prenup, and now you get, you know, this much amount of alimony, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and all this kind of stuff.
	Men fare so terribly when it comes to divorce.
	And there's a bias in the court system.
	So I just, what?
	Okay, let me here.
	Let me tackle it from this perspective.
	So when it comes to this marriage thing, all right, I would like to hear from you guys.
	I've already presented a bit of my thoughts on marriage, divorce.
	I actually think a better starting point, though, would be, can you present to me compelling and convincing arguments why I or other men should get married as opposed to having long-term monogamous relationships?
	You know, I think there's a whole bunch of advantages.
	Well, first of all, children is a big one.
	You said you wanted, you said you wanted seven sons.
	I can have children outside of wedlock.
	How do you know that?
	Why would that, what reason would that woman have to stay with you?
	Yeah, you didn't really answer the question though.
	So I'm giving you examples.
	I'm like saying, okay.
	So with marriage, marriage is kind of like people say they lock down, right?
	Marriage, like, yeah, you can divorce, but I feel like if you want kids, right?
	And I'm not saying this is with every marriage.
	I'm just saying, like, let's say in your case, you want kids, right?
	Sure.
	And a woman who is not married to you, why does she have to stay with you if you're not married?
	If you're not, like, what are you going to be giving to her outside of wedlock?
	Wait, so our love and the continuity of our relationship is contingent upon marriage?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	She must not love me very much.
	No, I'm not.
	It's not contingent upon this.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm just saying that, like, okay, so you want to have like a, give me a second.
	You want to have a married life just without the ring, without the sign, you know, the papers.
	That's what you want.
	Sure.
	What's the argument, though?
	What are you fearful of?
	I have an argument.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	One at a time.
	At a time.
	One at a time.
	So many Christians at the table, Brian.
	Wait, so because a woman can leave you just as easily as she can divorce you.
	Don't you want, and the thing is, if she, you know, actually, there's a whole bunch of ways that, because I was about to say that, like, if she has a ring on her finger, she has you, she's loyal to you, she's locked down.
	But I guess married women do cheat.
	So there's a lot of like things that can be said.
	Because like for me, I live a very godly life.
	I follow God.
	I want God to be at the center of everything.
	So in my mind, I see marriage as a way of joining a man and a woman.
	Just assume for the sake of argument that the person you're trying to convince doesn't belong to the marriage.
	Yeah, doesn't it?
	You have to take that.
	I have one.
	Oh, my God.
	So you're going to have to present secular arguments on this one.
	What would you have argued?
	Yes.
	I entirely search and I could not figure one out.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I will grant that there are justifications for being married under a Christian worldview, Islam, Judaism.
	Maybe there's other religions out there that, whatever, it's part of the faith.
	But you haven't really presented.
	I mean, even for Christian men, there needs to still be compelling reasons to do something.
	Yeah, I'm like, every time I try to think of something, honestly, I'm not going to lie.
	I've tried to think of something.
	I could think of like a counter argument to it.
	So I'm not going to lie.
	I've just always believed in marriage.
	I don't even know.
	you're saying well one of the things i think you're about to one of the arguments you're about to make was well okay wouldn't it solidify the relationship yeah but the counter argument here is that's what i'm like the counter argument here is there's actually now that we're married now that the state is potentially involved there's actually incentive for her to end the relationship yeah Financial incentives.
	Financially.
	Because if she ends the, like, I could just make the argument, she's more likely to stay with me because she has nothing to gain if she leaves me.
	But if she's married to me, she has a lot to gain by leaving me, which is potential alimony, splitting of community property.
	Right, but if we're talking about to a Christian man, like even in the Bible, God says it's good for a man to find a wife.
	That's a good thing.
	But then also, it's good to stay married because that keeps you from sexual sin.
	What do you mean?
	I could be, can you not have an anogamous relationship outside the marriage?
	You absolutely can.
	But what's the difference?
	Once you get married, how's that going to be?
	That's your commitment.
	You are committing to that person.
	It's not just a piece of paper.
	I commit to you.
	I will never choose.
	Like, what's the difference?
	I guess my question is, what are you afraid of besides losing money?
	No, I have an argument.
	I have a secular argument here.
	I'll come to you.
	I'll answer his question.
	So, I mean, what am I scared of?
	So, I mean, first off, I think that there are significant financial ramifications in the event of a divorce.
	So, I'm a high earner, and if I were to marry a woman, I would lose a fuck ton of money.
	And then, also, in addition to that, you know, there's the legal expenses.
	So, you have to pay for an attorney.
	If you significantly outearn your partner, you might have to pay for her attorney.
	Then you're paying two attorneys.
	Attorneys are very expensive.
	Divorce tends to be very pricey.
	So, there's that component there, too.
	Also, I just, I don't see, like, let's remove what I'm scared of.
	I mean, I've kind of already articulated it.
	There's the financial ramifications.
	I just don't see like a compelling reason to get married.
	Like, what do I get from a marriage that I don't get from a long-term monogamous girlfriend?
	The only thing I can think of, and like, like, I'm not like super pro-marriage or anything.
	Like, I'm not like telling you you should get married to whoever you decide to be with.
	But, like, oh, shit, what was I going to say?
	I literally just think about it.
	What do you have to do?
	Okay.
	This is the only compelling argument I can think of.
	And this, in only this scenario and situation, only.
	This girl that you met.
	Yeah.
	She's BLM-ing.
	Oh, my God.
	She's a borderline dwarf.
	She's either Asian or, well, I'm going to say she's Asian.
	She's an Asian dwarf with large lady.
	Wow.
	So she bows for you.
	Yep.
	She has zero body count.
	Okay.
	But she's from Korea.
	That was a thinking.
	Wait, why butt from Korea?
	You're going to have to bring her over.
	And the only way you can do that is to sponsor her.
	You can't sponsor her unless you marry her.
	And you're not going to give up the perfect woman.
	Sponsor her.
	Yes.
	She's a foreigner.
	I have to be a little bit more.
	She's a foreign national.
	Hey, she can stay here for a couple months.
	I send her back.
	She comes.
	She goes.
	It's good.
	You can't do that.
	I don't think that you're going to espouse Sylvie.
	I think you can.
	Your monetary value means more to you than love.
	Huh?
	Your monetary value means more to you than love.
	So that's an interesting argument, but I could just say I could just flip this back on her and say this arbitrary agreement.
	Because if you're that worried about it, why wouldn't you just sign a prenup and get married?
	Facts.
	Why don't you be prudent in the fact that you find a wife that doesn't even believe in that?
	I can only do one thing at a time.
	So, okay, when it comes to the prenups, prenups frequently get thrown out.
	They frequently get challenged in court.
	That adds another layer of legal complexity.
	Also, prenups, my understanding of them, I'm not an attorney.
	They can only deal with assets pre-marriage.
	But once you're married, my understanding is a prenup can't make any determinations as to what is accrued during the course of the marriage.
	So that comes down to community property.
	So basically, if I'm making, say, a million dollars a year and we're together for 10 years, she's getting half of that.
	Swiss banks.
	No, I mean, that's a workaround courts can, you know, they can pierce the veil and still get your money.
	That's good band.
	Isn't this violating the entire principle that we're talking about anyway, right?
	So, the principle that we're talking about is what good is it for a secular person to get married?
	And if the idea there is, well, it's fine to get married because you're bonded, but you've got to hide all your money in different banks and then sign a prenup and this and that.
	If you can accommodate all of the same exact commitments without the actual marriage, then what's the point of the marriage for a secular person?
	Well, for them, like, dude, your partner can go and get married to somebody else whenever she wanted it.
	What do you mean?
	Well, yeah, so you're no longer committed.
	Like, you're not in anything that's like actually commitment.
	You're just boyfriend and girlfriend.
	There's no commitment to her.
	She can leave you at any time.
	You can leave.
	She could also cheat during marriage.
	That's also like the person you're picking.
	You're picking someone who's more of a simp rather than someone who actually will go through the hard things with you, not just because she's a simp, but because she's a woman.
	Okay, well, mine was good, though.
	Yours was good.
	Wait, it's okay.
	We'll come back to that.
	I don't want to argue about it.
	I'll give you my response.
	But so when it comes to the love thing, right?
	Can I?
	I can just reverse the argument onto her.
	If you loved me, there would be no need to get married.
	So that same argument can be equally applied to, you know.
	You're still fearful of something.
	Yeah, I don't want to get divorced girlfriend.
	You know, like, yeah, but it's greater than monetary value.
	No, but I can still have a relationship with a woman absent marriage.
	But there's no full commitment in that.
	There's nothing.
	That's like, all right, this is my girlfriend.
	I don't understand why.
	Why is there not, like, from a secular marriage standpoint, what's the commitment anyway for marriage?
	For a secular marriage.
	I mean, for all marriages, till death do us part.
	Yeah, but and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.02.
	Maybe you should marry her so that she stops sucking D on camera, Brian.
	That's what a real Christian man would do.
	Who?
	What?
	What?
	Huh?
	Huh?
	Lol Paladins.
	You paid way too much money for that.
	Wait, just.
	Or Andrew, sorry.
	Andrew, you had something.
	And Indo-Winner Race car.
	Yeah, I'm just asking from a secular perspective.
	So this is non-religious.
	They don't have to take the same vows to death to your part.
	Why do they need to do that?
	They don't have any type of religious commitment going on here whatsoever.
	The thing that makes the bond of religious marriage important is because you're doing it under God, so you're making a vow in a sacrament, right?
	It's a sacramental marriage.
	But if you're a secularist, you're not doing any of that.
	So you don't make vows in a secular relationship?
	Yeah, you still make vows.
	You still make vows in a secular relationship.
	Why would you need to?
	I've never seen a marriage where you don't make vows.
	That doesn't mean that you can't have a marriage where you don't.
	Can you get me up?
	It just means they're not religious.
	What?
	How could you have a marriage and don't have vows?
	Why would it be a requirement for secularists to get married and say till death do us part?
	I don't get that.
	Why is that necessary for a secular?
	Secularist, meaning non-religious, a non-religious person getting married, why do they need to make such vows?
	What?
	Like, who has the vows?
	Like, when you're getting married, you make vows, right?
	You're dealing with somebody who has the authority to bind you as husband and wife, right?
	You're dealing with a preacher.
	You're dealing with whoever you have to bind that marriage.
	But for a secularist, that's just some random guy who went on the internet and got a certificate and says, okay, now I have the authority through the state to bind you as a person and a person.
	There's no way from a promise to take care of you in sickness and in health.
	That's a vow.
	I would say it's a matter of fact.
	The Christian vows are the exact same as a secular vow.
	No, they're not.
	Yes, they are.
	How is a secular vow binding?
	Through paper and word?
	So you can tailor the paper how you want, right?
	You absolutely can't.
	But the baseline vow is the exact same as a Christian vow.
	Like, I promise to take care of you in sickness and in health.
	Is that not the same thing?
	Wait, the secular vow is more binding.
	You can have a courthouse wedding with zero vows whatsoever.
	It's not a requirement for a secular marriage that you vow any.
	I'm sure I know you can write your own whatever, but most of the time, have you ever been to a secular wedding where they're not like, I promise to take care of you in sickness and health?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they say the same shit.
	That's what I'm saying.
	They say the exact same stuff as a Christian wedding would.
	No, no.
	But you're saying there is no vow.
	It depends.
	The point here, though, is that they don't need to.
	There's nothing binding about it.
	This is a state contract.
	It's also a verbal contract.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Wait.
	If secularists decided to get married, absent the state, two people got together and they're like, we're just now married because we've decided we are.
	And they're secularists.
	Why is that not binding?
	That's as binding as a state marriage, which is as easy to break as a cell phone contract.
	Yes.
	In Texas, common law marriage, that's all you have to do.
	That's all you have to do is say, I am married to you.
	You are married to me.
	You have to address that person as your husband, introduce him as your husband.
	There's no like ceremony.
	There's nothing.
	It's literally just like, you're my husband now.
	Let's say there is no vow.
	You're still putting all of like everything on the line.
	That's a vow in itself.
	Sure.
	What?
	Yeah.
	But that's the point.
	It's like, why would he have to put everything on?
	Why would you have to do that?
	Why wouldn't you want to subject yourself to that?
	Because you're risking everything you have for that person.
	That's the same thing with the vow, you know, through sickness and health.
	You know, if she got sick, I could just leave her, but I'm not going to do that.
	How are you risking everything if you can exit the contract?
	Because you still lose half of everything.
	No, no, no, no.
	There's an incentive, a monetary incentive for women, right?
	They generally gain in a divorce, not men, which gives them incentive to break this contract.
	They're not losing half of shit.
	That's why a man needs to be prudent in his search for a wife.
	Like, prudence.
	Or a man, a secularist, how could you convince a secularist man, instead of being prudent, to just say, well, I'm not going to get married by the state?
	That's the ultimate prudence.
	Well, I guess in someone like Brian's mind, there's literally no point to even try to convince him because he doesn't even care or doesn't believe in the same values.
	What would be the point of a secularist getting married?
	A non-religious person, what would actually be the point in principle here for them?
	So I want to see your viewpoint as another Christian.
	What would you say?
	To what?
	This whole situation.
	Your question?
	Well, which question are you asking?
	Could you convince me?
	Do you have an argument to convince Brian from a secular standpoint?
	Me and Andrew have tangled on this so many times, and I destroyed it.
	You cannot make a compelling argument to a non-religious person in modernity who's a man to get married.
	You can't make a good argument for it.
	They take all the risk for no particularly good reason from their worldview.
	Did you hear vice?
	They have nothing binding.
	There's nothing binding.
	The only reason that they would do it is essentially to simp for a woman.
	I don't know why else they would do it.
	Like, imagine, if you will, that you don't, you didn't believe in God.
	You're not a Christian, right?
	You think that all of that is nonsense.
	You're a secularist.
	You give me, real quick, sir, a compelling reason.
	You tell your friend a compelling reason why he should get married as two secularists, two non-religious people.
	What would be the reasoning you would give him?
	Two sponsors.
	Okay, one of these are.
	Hang on.
	Let me answer for a minute.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	If I can just add really quick, I guess, I'm even of the opinion that even Christian men should take pause when it comes to marriage.
	That's unbiblical.
	Except for the fact that you need to be prudent in your search for a biblical wife.
	Yes.
	No, but you said take pause.
	Take pause insofar as, as a Christian man, I don't actually have any religious or theological objections to marriage.
	But here's, I think, one of the issues: is that what a lot of people fail to realize, whether you're conservative, traditional, Christian, whatever, the state presides over your marriage, not the biblical values.
	So when the woman's unhappy, she's going to go to the state, not God.
	And then even if she should be going to God.
	Yeah, but even if your wife is not inclined to screw you over in the divorce, maybe she's a good person, whatever, is a divorce attorney.
	But that's why there's other things.
	Like, you need to know that the wife you're going to marry is going to seek help in friends first, biblical friends, and then counseling.
	Like you are willing to do counseling with your partner before you ever talk to a lawyer.
	What do you do about the fact that you have thousands upon thousands of self-identified Christians, non-denominational, and others, not just non-denominational, but many, many self-identified Christians who, when they go through the divorce process, maybe five, ten years down the road after marriage, right?
	The woman does default to lawyer and the state.
	People do change over time.
	It's almost impossible to determine what a person is going to do, even if you think you really know them.
	They change very quickly.
	And if they're in that predicament, you don't exactly know what's going to happen.
	So the idea that you can say to a secularist, especially a non-religious person like Brian, like, really, think about this.
	Give Brian, let's pretend, Nala, you have no religion whatsoever.
	You never found Jesus Christ, never found any of this.
	Look at Brian, give him your most compelling reason why him as a man should get married.
	Absent any of those justifications.
	Try.
	It's actually quite difficult.
	I actually want to see it.
	So for me, I feel like if I was a secular person and if you were asking for me to produce with you and have kids with you, I'd be like, hell no, bro, you need to put a ring on my finger because that tells me that you are committed to me.
	But I could just reverse this argument.
	You could all you want it.
	But he asked me for an argument on my side.
	That was my argument.
	Me, and you want to prove to me that you love me.
	How do I know that if I don't give you kids, you're not going to just leave me?
	You're not going to open up me up to this potential liability.
	And that's the same thing.
	Your stance is just out of fear.
	Fear literally is like 85% of things that we fear about don't even happen.
	It would be fear both ways, though.
	But isn't the divorce rate like that?
	Because the woman, hang on, hang on, it's fear both ways because the woman is saying, absent this commitment, I don't want to give you this out of fear that I might get screwed over.
	The guy also, though.
	That's good.
	Yeah, both are valid fears.
	Wait, it's okay.
	Give me your thing again.
	It was brilliant.
	Yeah.
	So she's Korean.
	Why?
	I just made a world record, Labia.
	Everything on your checklist that you can't find that you couldn't find here.
	Okay.
	And she's from, I don't know.
	Honestly, look, I'll actually say this: like, the only scenario where I would actually consider marriage, I've never even said this before, but I'll actually make it tonight.
	Is don't say it.
	Don't say it.
	You'll regret it.
	Whatever it is.
	Say it.
	Say it.
	Say it now.
	Say it.
	Say it.
	Wait, Andrew.
	We're already late.
	Just say it.
	Oh, it's too late for this crap.
	You're either going to say it or you're not.
	Do not play games.
	I promise.
	Wait, why?
	Please don't do it.
	Do it.
	I don't know.
	Because Will, just don't say it.
	Whatever it is.
	Andrew, stop being such a pussy.
	Wait, why not do it?
	Sorry.
	Excuse my language.
	I suppose.
	I don't know.
	Stop being such a bitch.
	But anyway, Brian language.
	I wouldn't say it.
	Whatever it is.
	Oh, he's been cousin all night, bro.
	You call me a pussy?
	I call you a bitch.
	You go, he doesn't match energy.
	What the fuck is that?
	I never said that.
	Can I actually hear your argument?
	I would love to.
	Wait, Andrew, just tell me why I can't say it.
	Is it why?
	You have free speech.
	Do I lose my position?
	Because you have the perfect secularist argument, which takes so many secularists off the board and makes it so that we don't have to compete with these people in 100 fucking years, right?
	You have the perfect argument to sway them away to stay the nice scumbags that they are, right?
	So that we never have to compete with them and you're about to give them some reason, some validation.
	Oh, don't do that.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm going to say that.
	You don't want Brian to be right.
	So I argue this.
	Perhaps the only scenario.
	Yeah.
	I see myself getting married.
	This woman has to be fantastic.
	To begin with, a bunch of cool stuff has to be.
	And she needs you to cross the border.
	She has an hour.
	Yeah.
	She has an hour.
	So I feel like I'll just say, like, if she's a virgin, maybe I'll think about it.
	You'll marry her.
	Okay.
	If she's a virgin, maybe, maybe.
	Maybe it's going to be an X amount of years.
	You can't just divorce her as soon as she lands because, you know, Homeland Security.
	That's a good idea.
	I could get married, have sex, then divorce her.
	Oh, my dude.
	We can afford it.
	No.
	That's terrible.
	That's hard.
	That's terrible.
	That's all.
	Traumatizing.
	I'm joking.
	How do we leave?
	That is one scenario.
	Let's get back to note one talk.
	Let's go to notes.
	Win for me.
	That was brilliant.
	Another win for you.
	Win for me.
	Another win for you.
	Look, never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
	Reality is when women break this marriage contract, they're often rewarded.
	Well, you can just break the contract and deport her if shocker is.
	Run the sunderback on the contract.
	The scenario is ridiculous.
	The scenario is ridiculous.
	So, okay, here, we're going to move it on.
	I'm going to try to get through all the notes quickly.
	It is getting late, so I do want to try to wrap up.
	I'm trying to wrap up.
	We've got flights in the morning.
	You guys were talking about friggin' religion for like three hours.
	Yeah, you could have stopped us an hour in.
	Hey, you know, look, I got to give you guys time to talk.
	Okay.
	No, I want to finish your notes.
	Okay, you said red flags.
	Oh, no.
	You just name it.
	I was just like, I already, you said, what topics do you just named the ones you guys talk about already?
	I don't have anything specific.
	Okay, I'll get through the rest of your notes.
	You said another hot take is I don't think there's anything more anti-woman than the encouragement of delusional thoughts and wanting women to be more sexual.
	Care to elaborate quickly?
	Just everything that we've talked about already.
	I think it's if you're for women, then you should be protecting them.
	You should be honest with them and you shouldn't be encouraging their thirst traps and things like that.
	Oh, have mercy.
	We must stay focused, brothers.
	We must stay focused.
	Wait, what?
	I don't know what.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	So that.
	Am I repeating it?
	No, I get it.
	I get it.
	Okay, okay.
	You said, make modesty great again.
	You said you see a lot of, you see a lot or have personally known some married couples where one person or both do single people behavior activity and you just don't understand.
	No, because they're married, but they either have, like, the husband has a girl best friend, or the wife has a guy best friend, or the wife is posting provocative pictures, and just dudes are just commenting on there and hitting the like button.
	And then the husband's doing the same thing, and they're just out at bars.
	That other episode that you talked about with the Mormon wives and that Chippendale episode, like it's just this whole single behavior activity representation.
	It's not for marriage, and I don't understand that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then there's some other stuff about like being okay with like photographers taking yeah, it's the same things, yeah.
	Natalie.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	You said you're single, you just got out of a short month situationship because you hate playing games and told him that.
	Guy won, all about the same Christian guy who is perfect on paper but strange in person.
	You dated for around three months.
	Yes.
	Like a couple weeks in person and the other long distance over summary follow the podcast.
	Okay, we talked about that.
	He never held your hand and gave you side hugs while he hugged your girlfriends full on.
	He hugged them full on.
	He'd give me side hugs.
	No.
	I'll show you how he hugged me.
	He'd go like this.
	Oh.
	And my girlfriends he'd hug on full on.
	That's really awkward.
	Sus.
	It was weird.
	You said no physical touch at all, no hand holding, very little hugging and no kissing.
	Yep.
	You purposely broke, or purposely before you broke up with him, you started to make more distance, saying you were busy with school, et cetera.
	And he took an anatomy class with you, and then you withdrew from the class and then switched majors, and then he was stuck in the class.
	Yeah, it was really chaotic.
	So real quick, I'm sorry, Brian, I am going to do a raid from the Crucible over here.
	Okay.
	I have an appointment in the morning.
	Hey, thank you for 3:30 here.
	It is late.
	Andrew, before you leave, I don't know if you wanted to have a final back and forth here.
	No.
	Yeah, what you got for me?
	Hard stuff.
	Yeah, well, I mean, just so very, very quickly, I guess we can go over it.
	So our main contention tonight was mostly over two primary ideas.
	The first idea was, I don't think it's appropriate for people who...
	So, well, let me give you the overview.
	So I think that that's fair.
	I'll give you the overview.
	I think that Christianity is inundated with feminist and feminist ideology.
	And I have a huge amount of proof that feminists use massive corporations in order to fund their infiltration into Christian churches.
	They actually allocate a huge amount of funding for this.
	Why you see LGBTQ pastors, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	I don't think you would disagree that that's true.
	The two points of contention that I had with Nala this evening was because of this feminist invasion, you also see tons of sex workers also who use Christianity as a shield from criticism rather than coming to the religion and the faith itself from a form of humility and repentance and trying to come to the faith the correct way.
	Instead, they're infiltrating and using it as a shield from any form of criticism.
	So that was the first contention that we had.
	And then the second contention that we had was over the idea of submission, what submission means.
	She thought that because I said that the man has not only the last say, but doesn't actually need to make justifications to his wife or significant other, that that somehow equated to slavery.
	And so, yeah, I wanted your takes on both those things.
	So I would definitely agree with you just on the fact that, you know, church has definitely been more watered down.
	That's that's, I mean, you have one side of like the religious Christians who don't actually have a relationship with God, but point fingers at all the people who do have a relationship with God.
	Um, and also a big part of that is, you know, though it's so quick for them to point out somebody else's sin, but rather justify their own sin.
	Um, and then also within that, I would also go into the part where, you know, like Christians themselves, you know, they'll go to like all these mega churches and stuff like that, and they won't actually get any like, I guess you could say, like, meat.
	It's it's more just like milk, yeah, milk, you know.
	Um, and like there's no substantial stuff.
	You hear more of a feel-good pastor rather than like a convicting pastor.
	And in order to actually change your life, you need conviction, you know, that's a big thing that the Holy Spirit gives you.
	Um, and then as for the submissive thing, how do you know when it's the Holy Spirit?
	Oh, you know, once you, once you actually have a relationship with God, you know, once you have a relationship with God, you know what conviction is because it's it goes more than just oh, I feel bad about that.
	Like, you, it's hard for you to eat, it's hard for you to sleep, and you're constantly thinking about it because God's putting it on your heart, just like you.
	Like, if God would if you actually, if you had a strong relationship with God, He would be convicting you about how much you swear where you do have the title as a Christian because every single person called me a pussy and she and she and trust me, that's crazy because I can't believe you talk to women like that.
	But like, hang on, hang on.
	Your wife called me a pussy, and it's incorrect for me to call her a bitch.
	No, it's incorrect for her.
	It's incorrect for both of you.
	Oh, okay, but only I need the correction, right, sir?
	Well, you are the man, and you are supposed to talk to me.
	Oh, I see, I see, you are supposed to talk to a woman with respect.
	Are Christian women supposed to be calling other Christian men pussy?
	Definitely not.
	Oh, okay.
	So, all night when you've been throwing the F word around, that was okay.
	Hang on, just to make sure I got this right.
	When there's a provocation my way, the correction must come to me, never to your wife.
	Well, I'm speaking to you, man-to-man, and I'll speak with you.
	And I'm speaking to you, man-to-man.
	You need to correct your fucking wife's attitude.
	Well, watch your language again.
	Again, if you are a Christian, you would watch your language.
	She just called a random guy a pussy.
	Okay.
	She called her a bitch back.
	Well, you've been calling her names all night.
	You called her a whore earlier.
	You called her a whore.
	The most swears I've heard tonight have been from you.
	The most swears I've heard tonight have been from you.
	Not anyone else.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	I said the word fuck.
	Oh, my God.
	Are you a Christian?
	Yeah, and where in the Bible?
	Can you tell me anywhere in the Bible where it says perverse language?
	And what is perverse language?
	Profanity.
	No, that's not perfect.
	And speaking like a sexualized language.
	Okay, so do you realize that all forms of what you consider to be cussing are cultural?
	They're cultural.
	Okay.
	Say the word fuck or shit or damn or things like that.
	This is not an affront.
	But you're representing God.
	I'm trying to explain to you this concept.
	Let me start with the explanation, then you can make the argument.
	That's fair, yeah.
	Go for it.
	Okay.
	So, so we start with this.
	Okay.
	Let us assume for a moment that you did not know what any of these words meant.
	Shit, damn, fuck any of that, right?
	And I said to you, hand me that fucking wrench.
	And you handed me that fucking wrench.
	Okay.
	Who have I affronted here?
	I would say the biggest thing because of my prior military background, I'm used to a lot of being around a lot of people that swear because a lot of the people who do join the military are, one, you have your patriots, you know, the good old boys.
	And then you have the people who literally are, they could have gone to jail or go to the military and they go to the military.
	And then you have people from low-income areas where, you know, they're surrounded by that.
	And they go into the military and they're constantly swearing here and there and here and there.
	But that doesn't have anything to do with them.
	That has to do something with you.
	You know, it's like if you are representing God, you know, you haven't answered my question.
	And you were speaking.
	Who's affronted here?
	I guess I could say me.
	So you, well, how would you know if you didn't know what the word meant?
	Well, I do know what the word means.
	Yeah, I know what you mean.
	I'm talking about actual facts right here, right now.
	That's something in Egypt.
	If somebody didn't know what the words meant, okay, they understood what wrench meant and hand and me.
	And you said, hand me that fucking wrench.
	And they didn't understand what fucking meant, but they understood what the rest of the words meant.
	Then who have you affronted with the word fucking?
	Well, they don't understand that word, but their spirit understands it.
	Their spirit understands this?
	What?
	Yes.
	We are all spirits.
	This is just our body.
	We're a spirit.
	Okay, so have you ever, in a good-natured way, said, hey, fuckhead, how you doing?
	Before I was saved, yes.
	Okay, post-saved, when you said, hey, fuckhead, how you doing?
	And you're joking around with your friend, let's say, right?
	Who have you affronted then?
	How could you have affronted their spirit when you don't even mean it in a coarse way?
	It's still perverse language.
	Yeah, but perverse has a meaning.
	And perverse is to be or to have perversion.
	So the idea here is that you are perverting something as an affront to a thing.
	What you're talking about is cultural relativism.
	Let me give you an example of what I mean.
	So you follow the Ten Commandments, right?
	Yep.
	Okay, honor thy mother and father, right?
	Do you agree with me that the way that you would do that in Japan when you walked into your house and took off your shoes and bowed would be different than how you do that in the United States?
	Okay, so then we're adhering to the same principle, but the way in which we get to that principle is going to be different depending on culture, right?
	Yep.
	Okay, so then if it's completely acceptable within a culture to say, hey, fuckhead, how you doing?
	Like it is in our culture for men to do that.
	How could that be an affront to anybody?
	So let me say this.
	You're still adhering to the person.
	If Jesus was in front of you right now, would you say that to him?
	Say what to him?
	Hey, head, pick up that wrench.
	No, I wouldn't say it to him.
	Exactly.
	So why do you do it to other people?
	Why?
	Yeah, because, okay.
	Because it's culturally acceptable.
	We live in a sinful world.
	Just because it's culturally acceptable doesn't mean God accepts it.
	And you should know that as a Christian.
	I would get on my knees and worship Jesus Christ.
	Would you get on your knees and worship me?
	No.
	Then why wouldn't you do that?
	That's sacrilegious.
	You're not God.
	So the thing is, is like, so what you're saying is you're drawing a delineation and saying, if something is holy, which is in front of you, would you act differently?
	The Holy Spirit's around us right now.
	And would you give it, would you give it exactly the creed in which it's the Holy Spirit is around us right now?
	Bro, let me finish the argument and then count it.
	There's no argument.
	How do you know?
	It's you trying to justify your sin.
	How do you know?
	I haven't made the argument.
	You don't need to make an argument.
	I already know what you're trying to do.
	You're trying to justify your sin.
	You won't let me make the argument.
	You're trying to justify your sin.
	There's no argument.
	Make your argument.
	But I'm going to say the same thing.
	You're still trying to justify your sin.
	No, okay.
	Well, my argument then is that you have no justification whatsoever for making the justification for what sin even is.
	Go ahead and tell me what, tell me what sin is.
	Let me give you an example.
	Is it okay for me to lie to a person in order to save somebody who's going to die if I don't lie?
	Let me rephrase that.
	Do you think Jesus was cussing?
	Think Jesus was cussing?
	Answer my question, is it okay for me to lie in order to save the life of somebody?
	With the lie no no, okay.
	Is it okay for me to say a swear word to save a nine-year-old?
	It wouldn't ever.
	No, so it doesn't matter.
	No, it's not okay.
	So I mean yes.
	I mean, if you think about it like no, but yes, as in the fact that it's easier to you know, like lie or swear to save a nine-year-old, the nine-year-old's life matters 100.
	So then, to ask you this directly, if you could say the word fuck and it saved a nine-year-old from having cancer, would you say the word fuck?
	That's a tough question.
	Are you justifying?
	Yeah, you're still trying to justify your question.
	He said no yeah no okay so, but why would the saying though, save a child from having cancer?
	This is not even a real conversation.
	I can't even hear him because you're spurking.
	Just calm down, chill out, andrew.
	Chill out, because what you're saying doesn't even make sense.
	You're literally.
	You're literally saying that if you said the f-word, it would save a nine-year-old's life, but that has never, ever been the case in the history of everything hypothetical to test the logic.
	I know, I get it, but it isn't.
	You're still trying to justify your sin.
	Man, back to the hypothetical, to test the logic.
	I'm gonna ask you again okay, would you say the word literally, I don't, I don't know why you do everything.
	I'll answer whatever question you have.
	I guess you ask me a question.
	I answered directly yes or no and then gave the justification.
	So i'm gonna try this again.
	Right remember, I have an earpiece in.
	When multiple people talk I, I can't hear, it becomes gargle.
	So, real quick, would you say the word fuck to save a nine-year-old from cancer.
	You're bringing this all back down to.
	You're justifying your sin again.
	Yeah, i'm just because again, can you answer my question?
	But it would never, it would never happen.
	Yeah, I know, I know, but could you answer the question?
	Make a real yeah, make a real, a realistic.
	It is, it is a real.
	That's not all right.
	Name name, name one case where you know that has happened.
	Someone had to swear to save a nine-year-old person.
	Exactly hypothetical hypothetical, hypothetical.
	Bro, you're trying to justify your sins.
	Designed to test your logical consistency, that's it.
	If this was logical, you wouldn't have asked a stupid question like that.
	It doesn't have to map onto reality.
	It's just there to design.
	It's just well.
	You live in reality, I live in reality.
	What land do you live in?
	Do you know what logic is murky?
	Can you tell me the laws of logic real quick, real quick?
	There's only three.
	Can you tell me the three laws of logic?
	Oh, telling me, because you're the one asking.
	Why would I need to tell you if i'm asking you?
	Just tell me just three laws of logic.
	That's my question.
	Three laws of logic?
	No, you don't know.
	You just say no, you don't know.
	It's okay, I don't know.
	But logic, it is what it is.
	That's what it is and what is it.
	Whatever it is, you don't know what logic is really.
	Plain sense logic, logic is not plain sense, all right.
	What is logic to you, logic is a math.
	No, it's not what it is.
	To me, it's what, What it is.
	Okay, what is it?
	It's a mathematical expression, which is designed to determine something which is either inductively true or deductively true.
	It's a mathematical expression for that.
	And so, since that is what logic is, anything which you can map on, which just like with all mathematics, you can create hypothetical numbers to compare to other hypothetical numbers so that you can come up with a consistent algorithm that makes sense, right?
	It's like one plus one equals two, two plus two equals four, four plus four equals, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	And there can't be any deviation or you come into contradiction.
	And so that would rule out that these numbers could be correct because of the third law of logic, the law of non-contradiction, right?
	So all I'm asking you to do is engage in a hypothetical, and then I could map that hypothetical onto your logical brain to see if it's consistent with your position on what Christianity is or is not, so we can determine that it's logical.
	Then ask a logical question.
	What does this have to do with you swearing?
	I feel like I'm talking to chat GPT.
	Just stop swearing as much.
	You represent God.
	And if you're not going to swear in front of God, the Holy Spirit is still around us.
	So why are you swearing and trying to justify it?
	It doesn't make sense to me.
	Would you have sex with your wife in front of God?
	We do.
	Yeah.
	Because the Holy Spirit comes in.
	In our house, the Holy Spirit is part of God.
	The Holy Spirit is part of Christ.
	Do you not have the Holy Spirit?
	I mean, it shows.
	It shows.
	It really does.
	I didn't know.
	Is he a voyeur, or I didn't know he was into that?
	He watched us sometimes.
	Well, the Holy Spirit is promised to us.
	That's why Jesus went up.
	Like failureism?
	The Holy Spirit came down to us.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, so anyway, if you want to perverse it, you can converse it.
	I'm just going to real quick, I'll just ask one more time.
	And I would just like an actual answer to the question.
	He's been using it.
	Now, here's the thing: if you can point out where there's some type of contradiction or some type of logical failure or something like that, then sure, I'll grant those things as being fallacious.
	But I would like to just ask the question again: if, if you said the word fuck and it were to cure a nine-year-old's cancer, would you say it?
	That's not a real question, though.
	That's not going to get you.
	You love logic, so give me a logical question.
	Let's move things forward, though.
	Can you answer the question?
	Just come on.
	Just answer.
	He's just trying to say that.
	Just yes or no.
	He's trying to test your ability to use logic.
	He's trying to test and test your position.
	Do I follow God?
	Yes.
	Well, you got to answer his question.
	Just do I follow God?
	Yes.
	To the nine-year-old boy, if I had to swear, no.
	Because I took a vow towards God, not to that boy.
	There's a reason that boy has cancer.
	Probably it's the U.S. government, but it is what it is at this point.
	But there's a reason that God allowed that cancer to happen.
	That was part of God's plan.
	What if God's testing you?
	So then, if that is the case, that God wouldn't test me.
	God wouldn't test me.
	God wouldn't say you need to say this.
	Isn't God always testing me?
	No, if that was part of God's plan, God does not test you.
	If that was part of God's plan, then why take the kid to a doctor?
	What?
	Why, if the cancer was part of God's plan, would you take the kid to a doctor to have the cancer removed?
	You never asked if he would take the kid to a doctor.
	You asked if he would swear to save the kid's life.
	That's the dumbest logical consistency I've heard out of your mouth.
	Can you just answer his question?
	Oh, wait, no, you didn't answer.
	I did answer.
	He said no.
	He said no.
	Yeah, he said no.
	Wait, wait.
	Andrew, don't you have to go to bed?
	Don't you have to go to bed or something?
	Is it night night time?
	Bye-bye.
	See, the bags on your eyes.
	Looking like a raccoon.
	Go get your jammies on.
	Also, have bags under your eyes.
	Oh, I know.
	People who are as stupid as you all day.
	Oh, also have bags under your eyes.
	Oh, poor Andrew.
	Poor Andrew.
	He needs a cigarette so fast.
	We need Jesus, man.
	Wait, sorry, Andrew.
	I mean, but hang on.
	Is part of God's ontology logic?
	Hold on.
	What?
	Sorry, go ahead, Andrew.
	So we have human logic and then your logic, where the logic is.
	What is the distinction between human logic and God's logic?
	Okay, so you have God, where he can do things that we, as humans, can't do, you know, like create things.
	Can he do something which is a contradiction?
	No.
	Like, can God contradict himself?
	God does not contradict himself.
	Hang on, can God make a rock that's too big for him to lift?
	No.
	No.
	He can't.
	He's God.
	Dude, he created heaven.
	He can make anything.
	What is too heavy for him?
	Wait, wait, so he can't, Nala?
	I just said no, he can't.
	He can't make a rock too big for him to lift, right?
	No.
	Okay, so then he has to have a nature and he's confined by his nature.
	He's not confined in any manner.
	You're confining anything.
	You're putting God in a box.
	This is what he's doing all night, bro.
	He's putting God in a box.
	Listen, if God is omnipotent and God is omniscient, then he's omnipotent, then that means he should be able to make a rock that's too big for him to lift.
	Because he's omnipotent, he can do whatever he wants.
	However, if you're saying, just because you can do whatever you want doesn't mean you are going to make something too big.
	Because you don't even understand what I'm saying.
	Like, it's so big.
	Because you're talking like a three-year-old.
	Okay, so anyway, if God's omnipotent, he should be able to make a rock that is so heavy he himself cannot lift it.
	If God cannot make a rock that is so heavy that he himself cannot lift it, then that means that he must have a nature which would confine him from making a rock so heavy he cannot lift it.
	That means that he's not, he's confined to the idea that there cannot be a contradiction.
	But by your sense of the only way, stop Nala for a second.
	That would be the only way he could not be confined, right, to a nature which was contradictory, therefore could not exist.
	That's the only way that could be possible.
	In your mind, in what you're saying, God is limited.
	That is what you're saying.
	You're putting God on a box.
	You're saying God has a nature.
	Nature.
	Well, if he can make anything he wants, you literally agree with me.
	Can God make a God more powerful than him?
	Can what?
	Can God make a God more powerful than who's absolutely not?
	Okay, then how is God all-powerful?
	Go to bed.
	Because one, God would never do that.
	Wait, so you guys can argue about this.
	He's confined God's nature.
	You guys could argue about this on that.
	You guys could argue.
	Look, let's go to bed.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to facilitate.
	You guys already talked about it earlier.
	Oh, he wants to have a debate in three minutes.
	We'll help you guys facilitate the debate just so I can.
	You know, it is getting a little late here, Andrew.
	It is way too late.
	It's very late.
	He's on these cups.
	He's a little flight, bro.
	Well, he's on the ahead of us.
	Y'all, we got off.
	We got to go.
	We're going to, I mean, Andrew, I don't know if you want to stay for the roast session, if you got to take off.
	No, I got to go.
	He's already been roasting us all night.
	All right, Andrew.
	Andrew, thank you for coming.
	Good night.
	Bye.
	Good night, guys.
	It was nice to meet all of you.
	It was a true pleasure.
	I take nothing personally.
	I understand that our job is to explore ideas and to dive into various different things and different points of views.
	I just never take any of this stuff personally.
	But anyway, have a wonderful evening.
	I appreciate your time.
	Andrew, thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Good night, Andrew.
	And say goodbye to Rachel.
	Thank you because that kind of stupidity needs to be forgiven.
	But anyway, have a good night, guys.
	I've got to talk to him before you go to bed.
	So, okay, we're going to get through.
	Trying to finish this up.
	I'm gonna.
	I know it's late, guys.
	We're trying to get it as quick as possible.
	So, I'm gonna let some chats come in.
	We're gonna finish up the notes.
	So, guys, TTS, we're doing the roast session $30 TTS.
	If you want to get them in here at the end of the show, there's heads out of me.
	We're gonna get roasted.
	So, I'm so excited.
	I'm just gonna say 100%.
	Don't worry, Andrew, I'm sure he'll correct her behavior later.
	Just kidding.
	He's a little beach and she can do whatever she wants, and he'll just take it because he's a simp for her.
	Okay, they're gonna roast just like they're gonna roast me.
	Trust me, they're gonna roast me a lot tonight.
	Okay, all right.
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	What the fuck?
	I wish anyone cared about it.
	I could take you out for a mile and a half.
	I ain't talking about dinner.
	...languages in reference to fucking lying, not fucking swearing.
	Low IQ people cannot engage with hypotheticals.
	You don't understand because you all never fucking answer simple questions.
	That's not a stupid answer.
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	This Sisified Christianity is why people turn away from God, Andrew.
	Keep doing the Lord's work.
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	You refuse to answer the question because you are afraid you will be found out for what you are.
	Low IQ.
	You still did not answer the question.
	I said no.
	He answered the question multiple times.
	Open your ears.
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	Dude, tries to utilize Christianity to cope about marrying a little bleep.
	You're not voice crack.
	You're not special, just the first sucker she could find or you're disappointed.
	Andrew is arguing for logic and then asks a question that is a false dilemma.
	The boy with cancer and swearing in a cure.
	That's a logical fallacy, Andrew.
	Try again.
	Just use Hitchens Razor.
	Hitchens razor?
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	This is why they tell you guys to wear your effing helmet.
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	W Rachel.
	Hey-based goth mommy in seat 3.
	You single?
	I'm not single now.
	Andrew, God was a woman.
	Until she changed her mind.
	Oh, gosh, no.
	Blaffa?
	Not the song.
	Stupid.
	Here's some premium logic.
	With random dudes on camera, women who blank on camera are P-words.
	Your wife, Mala, is a P-word.
	Or, well, not that P-word.
	Never mind.
	You sound like a porn addict.
	I mean, her body counts literally.
	I know way more than that.
	How do you feel that I'm looking at your wife's kitty right now, Nala?
	How do you feel knowing that I'm viewing this for free?
	Sounds like you need to be set free from porn addiction.
	The legendary trash panda donated $30.
	Nala, at least you are trying, but your man is a white knighting simp.
	Chair 2, German.
	What was your name again?
	Chair 3, I can fix you.
	Chair 4, I kinda like you.
	Hey, you can fix me.
	Chitehead donkey donated $30.
	Uninformed Christians trying to school someone who knows what they're talking about by refusing to answer or use their brains.
	Getrecked 304 and simp.
	swearing to save a nine-year-old push-ups donated $30 dude is a simp who married the woman of the night and is now crying about language typically three behavior do some push-ups until your brain finishes developing i mean he's pretty ripped bet I can find you donated $29.
	Hey, watch out here, chat.
	We got a badass over here.
	He can take us out from a mile and a half away.
	Watch out.
	The 88-mic truck driver wants to pretend to be a sniper.
	I got a 30 cow with your name on it.
	It's not a threat.
	He's got his name on it.
	I'll engrave it.
	In a video game.
	Looks like we're making you some good money tonight, Brian.
	In a video game.
	Yeah, they're going to need a lot of money.
	Your two looks gay as fork donated $29.99.
	Where does a man's planer get his water from?
	Oh, well, actually.
	What?
	I don't get it.
	Okay, $30 is the same.
	The cricket's on.
	What the hell?
	Snapmore donated $29.99.
	Talk to Jesus after that divorce, mate.
	That thing next to you belongs in the streets.
	Feminism has won.
	Nala is part of the 80% statistics.
	Marry a lady, not a broken motor woman.
	Huge yellow seven boys.
	Wombat Comber donated $30.
	I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
	Jeremiah 31:34.
	Nala has repented and is a new creation in God's eyes.
	Why not yours, Andrew?
	No, God, better.
	Okay.
	Hey, man, donated $30.
	Nala, I am so proud of you and the journey you are on.
	Also, your hubby is a stud.
	Yes, he is.
	Andrew is the reason people leave Christianity.
	That was donated $30.
	Hey, Wish Trevor Noah, you married a fucking former prolific 304 and no one cares what you fucking think.
	Only pretending to have virgin ears because she'll never have a virgin hymen again.
	Fucking eight.
	Damn, bro, what the hell, y'all crazy?
	You're disgusting.
	That was gross.
	Kitten Bear donated $30.33.
	Chair 1 Wadifak with the my brows.
	Your eyebrows look like there was a fight between the eyebrow pen and a king-sized sharpie.
	We can only attend.
	Nala likes that one.
	That was clever.
	Jovin Valencia.
	Oh, bro, I'm not going to read some of this.
	But also, uwu all around the table.
	Can we get an Uwu?
	Uhu?
	No.
	What is that?
	I don't know what that is.
	Here, Nala, you do it?
	White underscore ever underscore population.
	You can do too?
	Yes, you can't do it.
	Saying a word like fuck is wrong, but can walk around wearing skimpy shorts with no models.
	Bro, it's literally 90 degrees in here.
	Lay off.
	If you were sitting here for eight hours, you wouldn't be wearing long pants either.
	Life is donated $30.
	Chair six.
	The more you speak, the harder I find it to underestimate you.
	One, two, three, four, five, six.
	It's too late.
	Do you want to read another one?
	It's too late.
	He's like, I'm done, bro.
	I'm in.
	I want to go to bed.
	Oh, I got a lot of money.
	Chair 6 tired.
	You need a double western bacon chi.
	Chair 7, chunk TF already.
	Chair 8-based and my favorite on the panel.
	Chair 5 BBG, let me wake you with soft kisses.
	Morning SX will be great.
	Ew.
	Oh, what?
	I'm from the East Coast, so it's basically like what, 4 in the morning?
	Lulu donated $30.
	I'll be fair, I don't think Bro is unintelligent, but lacks experience debating.
	He just came on spontaneously and hasn't prepared.
	Most people don't constantly use logic to argue in everyday life.
	Blafist donated $30.
	Afraid of divorce?
	54% of marriages end in divorce.
	46% end in death.
	Pick your poison.
	That just makes it sound horrible both ways.
	I don't have a choice.
	...undiscoordinated $50.
	Your father has every right to disown you once you have become an adult, and what you do goes against everything he has taught you as a child.
	What about the prodigal thing?
	Ray Bruce donated $30.69.
	Thank you, Raib.
	Lots of SIMPs.
	I had to chime in.
	Even one at the table.
	Who's the same?
	Thank you, Rape.
	Raibo.
	Morat donated $29.99.
	She told me to give her 9 inches and make it hurt.
	So I fucked her three times and punched her in the eye.
	What?
	Wait, three times?
	Do understand, say $18.30.
	Be quiet, private.
	We all know you did nothing and now ride the vet wave.
	That's why you had to marry a sex worker.
	You will do nothing, Lil Simp.
	Now push.
	Definitely not true.
	Josh should be a rapper name.
	Thank you, Josh.
	No life threatened.
	We're always talking about Call of Duty.
	Thank you.
	Who?
	Who's wearing a jumper?
	No one's wearing a jumper, my guy.
	I can't believe you used to be in the military.
	Did you not ever hear about white knights?
	Did your Camiro come with an 18% interest rate loan?
	Why didn't anyone warn you?
	Storm blessed with Christian man.
	You talk about corn addiction.
	How did you find this blank?
	And what on earth would compel you as a Christian man to go for a woman who participated in cornography?
	So we were friends for a year.
	But another big thanks to Brian and the team for providing such a great podcast.
	Savannah's thanks.
	Don't take their hard work for granted.
	Don't take it for granted.
	All the best, you beautiful people.
	Oh, yeah, but I stopped her from doing porn.
	Literally.
	Oh, you stopped her.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll let the rest come in.
	We can get into that a little bit later.
	Honestly, what's God?
	I am a fan of Andrew, but I think he tried to put God in a box with logic.
	You cannot work hard, God, with logic, and you do bring the Holy Spirit when you swear here and I'll be right back.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	She just acted like 304 and you woo in front of her husband even after he said no.
	Couldn't help herself.
	What?
	I thought he said no to him doing the Uwo.
	Yeah, he did.
	Oh, okay.
	What does that mean?
	White Hat, are you infantry or a pot guy?
	Hope I don't have to explain what pot means to you.
	Uh to Tegila?
	Why not?
	Are you infantry?
	Or are you infantry?
	Andrew's pastor donated thirty dollars.
	Nala, hold your husband close.
	Virgin White Girl has been deriding him since he got there.
	Oh, what?
	What does that mean?
	What?
	What?
	Virgin White Girl?
	Which Virgin White Girl?
	Well, she's half white.
	I think.
	POTG is person other than Grunt.
	Uh-oh.
	Darling underscore is a donated $30.
	The rock analogy is stupid.
	Andrew tried to be too clever and showed his own idiocracy.
	God isn't evil, thus won't create a rock that he can't pick up.
	Arguments as old as time give up.
	Practicing gentlemen donated $30.
	Chair 1.
	The fact that everyone at the table and everyone watching can see your fat thug app does not help your case.
	Learn from chairs 4 and 8.
	Do donated $30.
	Nala and hubby, just know that in eight months the Holy Spirit speaks through you.
	Let your life continue to be a living testimony.
	You are a new creation.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	Thank you.
	White underscore ever underscore podcast donated $30.
	You said you were hot.
	You're wearing a sweatshirt.
	That's very true.
	Good observation.
	It's our merchandise.
	Be the change.
	Be the change.
	One back on but donated $30.
	Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.
	Matthew 15, 11.
	Preach.
	Stop cussing Andrew.
	Preach.
	Yes.
	Wake him up and tell him.
	Please.
	Just hit him right there.
	Here, pull up Twitch.
	We'll do a couple more notes, then we'll try to get out of here soon.
	Brian.
	No, no, no.
	Give me a little time, okay?
	I got a couple questions for you.
	A little.
	I've given you eight hours and seven minutes of time.
	Hey, look.
	Bro, we gotta literally drive three hours out of here.
	Where are you guys going?
	Okay, so pull up Twitch.
	Go ahead, pull up Twitch.
	Guys, final call to go to Twitch.
	Guys, guys, we're 100 away from 94,000.
	Guys, drop us a follow.
	Tell us a prime sub if you have one.
	Nala, help me out with this.
	Do a little shit.
	Shout out to you guys.
	Ethan, thank you so much for the follow.
	We have N3W Creation.
	Welcome in.
	Thank you so much for that community sub gift.
	Airmaze, 425.
	Welcome in.
	Thank you for that sub.
	Dean Goberry's welcome in.
	Thank you for that.
	Resubscribe.
	MD Rita.
	Thank you so much for following you guys.
	We got to hit 94,000 followers.
	We're almost there.
	We need 100 more followers.
	Actually, we only need 98 more followers.
	So you guys, thank you so much for coming in tonight and being here eight hours of our lives.
	Booty sweat and welcome in.
	Thank you for that follow.
	Appreciate you.
	Booty sweat.
	Thank you.
	Elliot.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we're all sweating over here, man.
	All our booties are sweating.
	Okay, let's see.
	My back is drenched right now.
	I'm sure someone will.
	While I get through the notes, get those supers pulled up here.
	I'll just read this one.
	Awesome, Graham.
	How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	I think this is a question for you.
	Not great.
	But he did eat breakfast this morning.
	He had a really big burrito.
	There it is.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Austin.
	And then get the rest of those pulled up.
	Okay, so let me finish off the notes.
	I'm sure if you guys want, last call on the, if you want, we'll still do the $30 TTS after we finish up all the notes.
	We'll try to get through this all quick.
	So going to your notes.
	Yes.
	Let's see.
	There was, you met the dude's mom.
	Yeah.
	And she's an Instagram influencer.
	20k followers.
	She flew in for a weekend and complained about meeting me and how she was taking time out of her schedule to meet you.
	I broke up with him two days before a concert.
	We were going to go together and he bought the ticket off of him.
	It was very chaotic whenever I sent you because it was very late at night.
	It was very chaotic.
	Okay, well, I'll just move on to the next one.
	Olive Garden, you didn't feel well eating the food.
	This is all my daily life.
	He made fun of you in the car.
	He handed the leftovers.
	Yeah.
	That was like my first day ever in high school.
	I was 16.
	And I had a previous eating disorder, and he made fun of it because I didn't want to eat my food because I was nervous to be around him.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Let's just, we're going to skip to your musts in a man.
	You say, not boy.
	Oop.
	What is that?
	I don't know what that means.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	Be a Christian.
	And you help each other grow in faith more waiting for marriage, conservative, wants to own a gun, can protect you, likes to work out, be healthy, wants a family, two to four kids, more natural, holistic with food medicine, but will still go to the hospital if needed.
	Emergency surgeries, real medicine, if in pain.
	Athletic must have good running form.
	Okay, I can't.
	I have a story.
	That was Sonic, Renner.
	Okay, so I've been a runner since I was seven years old competitively.
	And that guy who wouldn't hug me, he had the worst running form ever.
	It was like a duck.
	It gave me food.
	He was like flailing.
	Like his legs.
	His legs were flailing.
	And I was like, oh, bring it in tight and lock in when you're a little gimpy.
	Yes.
	And like, that's just it.
	Like, I need also a man who's faster than me.
	Okay.
	I don't know why.
	But yeah, I'm very competitive.
	He has to be better than me.
	Wait, so at some point in your relationship, y'all like raced and you knew that you would be faster than me?
	No, he told me his time for running and it was really slow compared to mine.
	Nice.
	Going to you here, Nora.
	You have a tramp stamp.
	I don't know what they call that in German.
	I do.
	What do you call that?
	What do you call that in German?
	Oh, it's can you show it?
	What does it say, though?
	It's so bad.
	I want to get it.
	Tell us what it says.
	Wait, can you like it?
	Scoot into the table, tilt the mic down.
	Can I have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table a little bit?
	Okay, just tilt your mic down.
	Tilt your mic down.
	Down, down, down from the back, from the back.
	Yep, there you go.
	Okay, so it's a heart.
	And in the heart, it says, not yours.
	So like, what's the back?
	I was like, if a guy is like, no, fucking me and saying I'm not yours, you know, I'm mine.
	Wow, that is the worst.
	Wait.
	Stop.
	You can't show it to me.
	No, it's like.
	Okay, so guys, it's a heart.
	It's inside the heart.
	It says NART, not Nort.
	NARS.
	Not yours.
	NART.
	I need to see it later.
	I'm sorry.
	And I got a free.
	You can't show it.
	You got for free?
	I got all my tats for free.
	All of them.
	Maybe you should have to do it.
	wait so just okay so my it says not yours and you got it with the expert for the express purpose If a guy is hitting it from the back, you want him to know that the pussy ain't his.
	Is that?
	Do I understand that?
	My whole body would just say.
	Into myself.
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	Not my whole body, like myself.
	Like, I'm not yours.
	Because a lot of guys say, yeah, you'll mine, you'll mine.
	And I didn't like that.
	What's actually wrong with that?
	Yeah.
	Isn't that like an enduring phase?
	It was a fake.
	Oh, so you regret it.
	Yes.
	But so you're fine with the guy saying, you're mine.
	Now I am, yes.
	Because I found the right guy.
	Damn, that's a crazy.
	I'm going to see if we can find a picture of it because that's crazy.
	Okay, that's cool.
	So, okay, let's see what else.
	Thoughts on modern dating from you?
	You said modern dating is all about the balance between having so many options and still wanting to form meaningful connections.
	Apps have made meeting people easier, but they've also created a bit of choice overload.
	Your hot take best connections happen when people go in without expecting perfection.
	Okay.
	Some basic like dating stuff.
	Yeah.
	Just like not on dating apps.
	Okay.
	In real life.
	You meet someone and it's like a special look and you're like, oh my God.
	Special look?
	Just, yeah, like the twinkle in your eye.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I see.
	Going to you, Mandy.
	You're 20 years old.
	You currently have a boyfriend.
	There's an 18-year-age age gap.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Dating.
	Anybody here object to age gap relationships?
	Narr.
	If it works for you, it works for you.
	What's the oldest, those of you who are single here, what's the oldest that you would date?
	So I guess you, oldest you would date?
	Like 25.
	Okay, and just say how old are you?
	20.
	I'm 20 and I would date a 25-year-old.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm between 30 and 35.
	Okay.
	I'm almost 21.
	I would say 25.
	I would also say 25.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You said hot take dating apps make hookups too accessible to a point it's dangerous as well as sites like OnlyFans and PH, which are promoting women dehumanizing themselves and disguising it as confidence or self-love?
	Yeah, I feel like a lot of the time women will say like, oh, I'm on OnlyFans because I'm confident in myself and I want to, and I think that I'm like, what's the word?
	I wrote it down in that message.
	Empowering?
	Empower.
	Empower.
	Like, I want to empower myself.
	And I feel like by doing that, if anything, you're degrading yourself because you're putting yourself in that vulnerable position where anyone can see it.
	And I'm not like against sex work or anything.
	I don't think that like sex work.
	Well, I mean, I think if it didn't exist, it'd be a better world.
	But I understand that some people are in a position where that might be their only option.
	But some people just go into it because they want to and because they think it's going to be some kind of like fun thing.
	And it's just them degrading themselves and then, you know, I don't know, just I don't think it's a good look.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna let a few more of the chats come through.
	There's a few more notes.
	Ryan Callaway donated $30.
	John 1-1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
	Jesus, God the Son, prayed to God the Father.
	That's how you answer Andrew next time, Nala.
	Thank you.
	Great show tonight.
	John 11.
	We knew that earlier.
	The underscore doc donated $30.
	He looked at her and said, Don't do it, but you can take the girl out of the street, but not the street out of the girl.
	Made her man look like the lowest of simps.
	EBGV donated $30.
	Unfortunate that number one is so loud with simp.
	They're just retarded new biominds that can't understand logic.
	Number eight, you're a gem, and I can only pray these others took some notes.
	You are what men want.
	One Ron's one D3 donated thirty dollars.
	White shirt, standing up.
	Stay at home, mom position open in MN.
	No kids, so mean there's some work to do.
	Montana.
	Oh, Lord, I'm not sure.
	I think.
	MN, that's Montana, right?
	Or Techno Hippie donated $30.
	Nala, the heresy, you're spewing his roots in Gnosticism.
	You lay foundations for the faith of the Antichrist.
	Feminism is inherently of rebellion, such was Lucifer's fall.
	And couldn't be more wrong.
	Absolutely.
	Step back.
	Andrew promoted $29.99.
	Simpness has spread like a disease.
	Luckily, I don't show no symptoms.
	Stormblest donated $30.
	Jordan, who cares if you made her stop corn?
	As a Christian man, I want to know why you would even move towards someone who would do something like that.
	I'm not even trolling.
	I want to actually know why.
	Graffito Tact donated $30.
	Suspicious number of TTS tonight that have been glazing up Nala and telling her, Slay Queen, you're an inspiration.
	Not typical of the whatever audience.
	Best explanation: it's her promotional team.
	Dude, I literally just met these people tonight.
	So to the John who married his blank, does the blue crayon taste better than the red one?
	How does it feel to be the ultimate sim?
	Were you Marines?
	Air Force.
	Oh, isn't the crayon thing about Marines?
	Marines, Log Paladins donated $30.
	I am the way, and the truth, and the life logic is how you learn what is true and what is false.
	Grow closer to God by growing closer to logic.
	Women are manipulated by the devil, emotion.
	Wait, can I also say something really cool?
	The legendary trash pan donated $30.
	Nala's sim.
	I am having trouble believing you serve based on how you disrespected your fellow service members.
	Top 1% of our nation serves.
	Also, the military/slash jail thing died like 30 years ago.
	Actually, false because I know somebody who literally just wants to be aware of that.
	Philio donated $30.
	Jordan, if someone holds a gun to a kid and says to say the F-word or he will shoot him, would you say the F-word?
	Also, tell Andrew that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
	Okay.
	Did you want to respond to any of those?
	I know there's quite a few that came in.
	Did you have a response or?
	I mean, Jesus is coming.
	It really doesn't matter.
	Okay.
	Trying to find that same energy when Jesus comes.
	Trying to find the tramp stamp.
	I can't find it.
	Oh, my God, Ryan.
	Look, it's it's okay.
	I'm just, look, it's, I don't know, I can't find it.
	What the hell?
	That's good.
	That is a good thing.
	I can't even find a reason to be here right now, bro.
	I need to go eat.
	I'm starving.
	So I'm starving.
	Jordan, I did have a question for you.
	Could you guys maybe give us a bit of background, like how you guys met?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so we actually met on TikTok Live.
	And she came into my live, threw me a gift, and I was like, yo, what's up?
	And then we ended up just kind of like talking.
	She always came my lives.
	And I ended up finding later on down the road, like what she did.
	And as a Christian, I knew that, you know, she was serving the world, not God.
	And I knew for a fact that, you know, God could set her free.
	So I was praying for her.
	My parents were praying for her.
	And like, I didn't even have any emotional ties, you know, like with her.
	I wasn't like, oh my gosh, like, I want to be with this person.
	We were literally just friends for like the majority of our relationship until we got married.
	And which sounds crazy to even say.
	But yeah, like she ended up flipping her life around, actually.
	She was downstairs praying in her living room when God literally spoke to her and was like, I was all you ever needed.
	And she was able to give up everything.
	You know, she was making 300K a month and she didn't even want that because at the end, you know, none of that's going to matter.
	You know, money, all these different things isn't going to matter.
	It's your relationship with God that's going to be on the line because God's going to ask you, you know, like, what did you do for me?
	You know, it's like, I don't even know you.
	And it's like, that's the scariest thing known to man.
	And people are like, oh, like, well, like, she's everywhere, blah.
	Okay.
	But I didn't marry her for you guys.
	I married her for me.
	I married her, you know, for my relationship with God because like she helps me grow as a person.
	And it's about a personality.
	You know, I'm not marrying somebody based off looks because looks fade and it's all about personality and loyalty.
	And for the clip that everyone says, oh, she's a cheater, all this different stuff.
	It's like you guys made that go viral.
	That was the intent behind it.
	Clickbait.
	And it worked.
	It worked because small-minded people, like small-minded things.
	So obviously blew up.
	I mean, did you have any hesitation, though, when you first met her?
	Oh, 1,000%.
	Because when you first met her, you were still involved.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And so, but you gave a pretty strong push from the get-go to get her out.
	Is that my understanding?
	Okay.
	Yep.
	That's kind of, in a way, what I do for a living, not like with sex workers, but just like help people with their relationship with God.
	People come to me advice on how to break their porn addictions, their lust addictions, all these different things, because like God will set you free.
	I can't set you free, but God will use me to help set you free.
	And I mean, did you have any, I guess, hesitations when it came to dating somebody who was involved?
	Oh, 1,000%.
	1,000%.
	Because like, one, there's like a mental toll.
	It's like, okay, like a lot of the world has seen her.
	But at that, I mean, in the end, who cares about the world?
	Who cares about what that guy over there thinks?
	I don't because, you know, he's not going home with her.
	You know, I am.
	Sorry, go.
	No, go.
	I was going to ask, I mean, has it even post-Nala quitting, doing the OnlyFans, has it presented any issues in your guys's relationship, the history there?
	I would say no.
	I would say the hardest thing for me was like seeing people hate on her.
	And it's just like she changed her life around.
	And when she was in that industry, you know, people weren't hating.
	And then when she did change, people were hating.
	And it's like, how are you going to hate on someone for bettering their life?
	And it's like, it's definitely an attack from the enemy because at the end of the day, the enemy comes to rob, kill, and destroy.
	And that's what he'll try to do.
	He'll try to take you away from what God has for you.
	And he'll do that through people because a lot of people, even like walking around us on the streets, do have demons.
	Okay.
	And when I say demons, it's more than just an addiction.
	It's like a literal demon because we still live in a spiritual realm.
	Yes, we can see certain things, but spirits are still around us.
	Demons are still around us, angels are still around us.
	But has there been like any sort of issues that have arisen because either for you, Nala, or for you, Jordan?
	Any issues that have arisen?
	Because I mean, we hear a lot from people saying, well, it'll create certain conflicts in the relationship.
	I would say, no.
	It's more just, like I said, like when people hate on her side.
	He's very protective.
	So he's here to protect me against anyone and anything.
	And that is like his biggest issue is that people want to hate on me.
	But for me, it's like, you know what?
	I don't care what you think.
	It's my relationship with Christ and not yours.
	So, like, I see, I definitely see it from Jordan's point of view as just being my husband and being like, you know what?
	You need to stop hating on her because you don't live with her.
	You have no idea what it's like to be with her, you know, and then how loyal she actually is or how spiritual she actually is or how many times a day she actually opens up her Bible.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So like no one sees that because I don't produce that on the internet because that's my personal block with people.
	People will use social media and their past to define them.
	And it's like in all reality, when you bring logic into it, whoever that guy was, it's like, that's not what it is.
	You know, that's it's like almost a figment of their imagination.
	You know, it's just like this preface of the reality.
	Have you had any experiences like with even friends or family members who have questioned it?
	Definitely.
	I had a lot of friends who were just like, yo, like, what are you doing?
	Like, you need to stay away from her.
	But a big thing that God told me is like, we're going to get her free.
	And that was something that kind of inspired me because at the end of the day, as long as you and God, you know, both of you, like, you understand it.
	You understand what God's telling you.
	That's all that matters.
	That's all that matters because someone else doesn't need to understand what God told me to do.
	And sometimes you don't even need to understand what God is telling you to do.
	You just need to be obedient.
	Okay.
	And yeah, play me in COD.
	I'm top 100 in the world.
	Yo, he's really good.
	And four is a five.
	Let's see here.
	I'm going to let some more chats come through.
	Oh, boy.
	Andrew's Bible donated $30.
	Nala's husband, I see you player, married the rich snow bunny while she goes through her silly little enlightenment phase.
	I was actually a redhead when he married me.
	Not a snow bunny.
	Johnny Spiral donated $30.
	Nala, Teresa videos of you fucking and sucking another guy permanently online now.
	White Hat.
	How does that feel?
	Yeah.
	You're at simp and de cuck.
	Pathetic.
	Weak.
	Divorce in the future.
	Honestly, the fact that you've watched it is disgusting.
	One back home with donated $30.
	Lol, paladins.
	Draw near to God by drawing near to logic.
	What?
	Draw near to God and he will draw near to you.
	James 4.8.
	God is logic.
	No God.
	TC Josh donated $30.
	Jordan said Jesus man, but wouldn't say the F word to be aware of the world.
	Ryan, we're making you some cash tonight.
	You do realize that's taking the Lord's name in vain?
	Broken logic.
	What?
	Up here.
	Aquatic donated $30.
	Congratulations, you presented yourselves as lives, and that's all you will be.
	All that for money and some fame.
	Thank you, Aquatic.
	We have a couple more.
	I've got a question for Jordan.
	99 cents.
	She is a demon.
	Run.
	Borat.
	Very nice.
	Thank you.
	Just kidding.
	Almost done.
	Almost done.
	Trust.
	You made threats live on a podcast.
	Have you played a lot of people?
	Typical overly compensated ego from someone who would marry a woman who sells healthy.
	I'm top 100.
	Christopher Scott donated $30.
	How can you condemn Andrew for his tone and swearing when God supposedly works in mysterious ways?
	I'm sure Andrew has helped turn more to Christ than you're grifting asses.
	That's an opinion, not a fact.
	Kitten Bear donated $30.33.
	Care to listen to the words of the lyrical genius of our time, the great ludicrous.
	You can't turn a hoe into a housewife.
	Hoes don't act right.
	Classic chimps donated $30.
	He's GA.
	100% perfect cover for his upbringing.
	Both demonic using God as a shield, as Andrew tried to explain hours ago.
	You're just justifying zero accountability.
	Okay.
	Wait, Jordan, were you involved in the sex work industry at all?
	You did any pornography?
	Okay.
	Nope.
	All right.
	Got it.
	Okay, we got two more notes for two more people.
	Then I'll try to get this wrapped up as quickly as I can.
	I think it'll take maybe 10-15 minutes here.
	So, okay.
	Guys, sometimes shows go long.
	We were having a.
	We've had a great talk.
	Almost there.
	Almost there, boys.
	All conversations.
	I'm about to have a mutiny on my hands with my staff back there.
	Look.
	Okay, Justy, your notes, and then there's a couple more notes, and then.
	Okay.
	Single but looking.
	Yes.
	You had a few situationships and talking stages, but all pretty basic.
	Your first talking stage lasted around a month.
	Hang out all day, cuddling, talking.
	Then what was the tell us the quick recap version of the first talking stage?
	Quick recap.
	Oh, yeah.
	We met through a friend and it happened very, very quickly.
	It was just, it was just super fast.
	Like, from talking one day to cuddling on a bed the next day.
	It was the first thing I've ever had with a guy, and I jumped on it quickly because I was like, it's my time.
	I'm ready.
	I'm free of my parents.
	I can go out this jumped on what?
	No, like, jumped on, like, trying to find a guy.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.
	Sorry, sorry.
	I think you're forgetting an important fact about me, but anyway.
	Yeah, yeah, no, you're a virgin, you're waiting till marriage.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But so, um, it sounds like it kind of fizzled out.
	Yeah, so what happened is that, um, well, I don't know if we can get too much into the details, but if you can give it to me in the sentence, he just said that he didn't know what I meant to him, and I said I didn't want to do that anymore.
	So, okay.
	Um, he was your first kiss, and you were super attached.
	No, that was the second guy.
	Oh, we're talking about the first talking stage.
	Oh, first talking stage.
	First kiss, you're super attached, and he was dry.
	No, that's the second talking stage.
	First talking stage, we never kiss.
	Did I write?
	Oh, second was a few weeks after the first one.
	Yeah, sorry.
	And this was when you were 18.
	Yeah, I was 18.
	Okay, so it was like a year ago.
	A year ago, yeah.
	Okay.
	And okay, you're right.
	It is the second one.
	He was your first kiss.
	First kiss.
	Okay.
	Super attached.
	Super attached.
	He.
	Sorry.
	He just ended up.
	It was over the summer, long distance, you know, didn't see each other in college.
	You ended up ghosting him.
	Yeah.
	He missed being dry.
	I ghosted him.
	You made mistakes like saying I love you too early.
	Yeah.
	How soon into dating did you say I love you?
	Well, actually, I said I love you at the very, very end of it because I was like grasping for straws.
	I was grasping.
	Oh, you wanted to make it work.
	I wanted to see what his reaction was.
	And I say goodnight.
	I love you.
	And he just said goodnight.
	And I was like, okay, that's it.
	Damn, that's good.
	And that's when I ghosted him, I think.
	Okay.
	And then what else?
	There was the, was there a third one?
	Yeah, there was a third one.
	That one, it was just full-on talking stage.
	Nothing ever happened.
	And actually, I'm still friends with him now.
	But it's just completely like, we're just platonic.
	You said you're very conservative.
	You have a Christian view on dating.
	You believe in courtship, dating to marry.
	Yes.
	You're maintaining your chastity until marriage, which is why you don't let people in often.
	Being a Christian is such a must for you.
	So your pool is very small.
	Yes.
	It's hard to find guys who are accepting of waiting till marriage and are actually a practicing man of God.
	Now you both go to a Christian college.
	It's Westmont.
	Westmont.
	And then is there a denomination for the school or is it just vaguely Christian?
	It's just like all denominations.
	There's like a boiling.
	Yeah, it's like a boiling plot.
	And did you have you guys?
	What's like the typical when it comes to the men there?
	Like, do they want to fuck?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Too many.
	So most are not wanting to wait until marriage.
	Okay.
	I just got.
	I have actually, I think I've only met one guy there that I know who's actually waiting for marriage.
	I think only one.
	Out of all the friends I've made, only one.
	And are more so the women there waiting for marriage?
	Or a lot of them are also smashing.
	Her and one more, the only people I know are waiting until marriage as well.
	Are you guys, wait, you're sophomore?
	I'm juniors.
	You're both juniors.
	Yeah, I'm just, my birthday is this month, so I'm turning 20.
	Okay, got it.
	Okay.
	Interesting stuff there.
	We have Alanis.
	You're the final note person.
	We have you're in an emotionally, I think we kind of already talked about it.
	Yeah.
	You're in this emotionally abusive relationship.
	You didn't realize that until going to therapy?
	I think after everything happened, I realized it, yeah.
	Okay.
	He was like always like exactly what you were.
	He was like always like, oh, I love you one day.
	And then the other day he was like, oh, I don't think we should be together.
	Yeah.
	He wanted to be a rapper.
	Yeah.
	Maybe that was a good idea.
	No, not a SoundCloud rapper.
	Like a Don rapper.
	And he went to my producer.
	My producer gave him like a song to put on top.
	He never finished it.
	But you know what?
	There was me supporting his dreams.
	Hey, look at that.
	Hey, at a girl.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	You dated an MS-13 member.
	Kind of.
	We don't know.
	What do you mean, kind of?
	That's like what I've heard.
	Can you be half of an MS-13 member?
	No, so that's what I heard.
	Initiation.
	My first base.
	My first boyfriend.
	Did you have an MS-13 tech?
	I don't know.
	So it was a long-distance relationship.
	I would see him once every six months, and it never went into anything sexual.
	I was in high school.
	It was like with my group of friends, and there was an opposed that he was an MS-13 member.
	Not sure.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Did you guys gangbang together or what?
	No.
	Not like high school.
	Gangbang.
	No.
	Don't do ganging around.
	I can't.
	No.
	Like, no for that.
	No, no, no.
	I know it.
	I can't hear your German.
	No.
	Speak into this.
	Pradley.
	I know what he meant, and no.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Okay.
	And then dating single moms, especially.
	Yeah.
	You said you really hate modern dating.
	You feel like it's super superficial.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Other things.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think that's pretty much it for the notes.
	Woo!
	Calm down, German lady.
	Calm down, Jordan.
	Jerking lady, hold on.
	You should have opened with all those notes at the beginning.
	Look, we were.
	I know I took forever to get through all the notes.
	I believe that.
	I did last call on any of the roads.
	I mean, yeah, you guys talked about religion for like three hours.
	Okay.
	You should have cut us off.
	As we should, John.
	I tried, dude.
	I tried.
	He would go back there.
	You would sneak away.
	You would hide.
	Yeah, but that's my thing.
	You left.
	You're the host.
	And we would go.
	Help us.
	Talk about for a few minutes.
	Okay.
	Final call on the roast.
	There's just two here.
	Thor donated $30.
	Just because you used to be a 304 doesn't mean you still aren't.
	Hey, everyone, look, this cuck married a girl whose wife used to get railed online for money.
	Ha ha ha.
	No one could say that about my wife.
	Yeah, but that was your money.
	Practicing gentlemen donated $30.
	Careful.
	Those chair for snipers will get you.
	Gotta be careful.
	No surprise for you, play COD, child's online daycare.
	You also think there's a new big three.
	You fucking chair force noob.
	I like it.
	I respect you.
	I respect you.
	Use the right reference.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	I think we've pretty much gone over anything.
	Any final thoughts from anybody before I wrap up the show?
	Good night.
	Thank you.
	I'm hungry.
	It was the best.
	Had a good time.
	I want food.
	Fat boy Andrew needs to shut his tendench arm and big old titty, having as stick a fucking twinkie in that humpty dumpty, telly tubby looking motherfuckers mouth.
	What the fuck, Wes Watson?
	Chill out dude, chill out.
	Okay, so we're gonna do twitch raid.
	Um, if you can get that going Damien, we're gonna raid somebody called Frost Adamas.
	Get that pulled up while I uh get this outro going.
	Wow okay, we made it.
	Wow, we made it finally to the end here.
	Uh, let's see here, almost nine hours.
	Yeah, I know the long stream.
	Nine hours yeah, 37.
	Oh my gosh, oh my goodness right, you got good energy layer.
	We made it nine hours.
	So I do want to say GG, well played.
	To the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button please on your way out, like the video.
	Guys, thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	This was a fantastic panel.
	Yeah, y'all are awesome.
	Your legend, Jordan.
	Thank you for coming in here at the end of the show, appreciate it.
	Your legend Jordan.
	Legend um.
	Also a legend uh.
	Velociraptor, the Loss Raptor, um.
	Fraulein fraud, the fraud line back there.
	Um, you got it.
	Justice has been served is Justy short for something.
	No, it's just just, it's actually Justy okay.
	And, by the way, is your dad the White one or?
	Yes Oxford, he's.
	So I wish you good luck in finding the five million a year guy.
	Good luck.
	I genuinely, Brian.
	You have piercing blue eyes like a white walker from the game of the roads.
	You should be cast as the female white walker.
	I love that.
	You were my neighbor over here.
	We held that shit down.
	Okay, thank you guys all so much.
	It was a long show.
	I appreciate your guys' attention.
	Thank you.
	We will be live again Tuesday.
	We're at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We're doing an we're not going to do a dating talk.
	We're going to be doing.
	Hey, stay there.
	Go out of my way.
	We're almost right.
	Come back.
	You got it.
	Tuesday, 5 p.m.
	Or I don't know if it's going to be.
	Well, Tuesday, we are doing an election stream.
	Maybe I started early, 3 p.m., 4 p.m.
	We're going to do an election stream.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, we're going to do a Twitch raid.
	You got Frosted Domas pulled up there.
	Incoming.
	What's up?
	Is there a resume?
	Yo, guys, Frosted Dominic.
	He's playing World of Warcraft.
	He's playing hardcore.
	He's playing a warrior.
	Guys, what's going on, man?
	Thank you for watching on Twitch.
	I'm going to send the raid here in just a few seconds.
	He's streaming in Romania.
	Show him some love.
	Tell him.
	Yo, tell him if he wants it.
	When you go over there, tell him he needs to kill his character in hardcore.
	And I'll raid him again.
	Tell him he needs to kill his character right now.
	He needs to kill it to another tiger.
	Okay, I'm sending the raid now.
	Thank you guys for watching.
	Good night, guys, over there on Twitch.
	Raid being sent right now.
	Okay, that's sent.
	Let's see what he says.
	Maybe he'll kill his 39 level 39 warrior.
	Do it.
	Holy smokes.
	Let's see if he does it.
	Brian, is he going to do it?
	I knew it.
	Huge raid.
	Thank you very much.
	Is he going to do it?
	Welcome, everyone.
	Is he going to do it?
	I think he's going to do it.
	Kill him.
	Kill it.
	Big shout.
	Come on.
	Is he going to do it?
	Come on, do it.
	Do it.
	He's going to die.
	That's an elite.
	Oh, wait.
	What if he died?
	Okay.
	And this is like a Thunderbolt.
	I'm sorry.
	She's never stayed all of us.
	She's never stayed out till 2 a.m.
	It's very important.
	This is guys.
	Wait, he might die.
	Wait, he might die.
	Holy shit.
	Holy shit.
	Come on.
	Holy shit.
	He literally almost died.
	Wow.
	We almost killed him.
	Okay, all right.
	That's it.
	Damn it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hey, hey, we're almost out.
	Okay, all right.
	Hold on.
	Last two chats here.
	Oh, they're going to hate me.
	Snapmore donated $29.99.
	Chick with the gun sex had an MS-13 phase.
	It's okay, he's in his journey now.
	Okay.
	Nala, please shower donated $30.
	What the?
	We see the light leave your eyes every time Nala getting her holes filled on live mentions.
	She got triple boosted by 50 plus other dudes' beef injections.
	Wait, can we get a nice TTS?
	Just one last nice one, just to end the show on a nice little compliment.
	Maybe compliment, you know, just okay, think about it.
	You?
	No, you can roast me.
	Roast me, guys.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I think that's it, right?
	Yeah.
	No.
	I just want to torture.
	I'm sorry.
	Don't show any emotion.
	No more emotion.
	No more emotion.
	Okay, okay, okay, okay.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you.
	I do want to thank the panel again.
	This was a very long stream, so I thank you guys for your patience.
	It was a very good stream.
	Look, I'm very verbose, okay?
	I'm also autistic and so am I, but we can tell.
	Anyways, okay.
	All right.
	Autism rocks.
	W's in the chat for autism.
	W's in the chat for the autism.
	W's in the chat.
	All right, guys.
	I feel like I'm forgetting something.
	You're really not.
	You're really not.
	I swear to God.
	You're doing great.
	You're doing great.
	I'll support you.
	You're doing amazing.
	We do.
	Ending in the podcast.
	Fall 9 wants to do that.
	I like that first one, though.
	Let us go to bed.
	Fall 9 wants to leave.
	Let us go to bed.
	I have class.
	Show us your tram stamp and I'll wrap the show right now.
	Oh my gosh.
	She's debating it.
	Look at her face.
	She's like, Don't do it.
	Don't do it, girl.
	Come on.
	Don't do it.
	Don't let him get what he wants.
	Okay.
	We do these pills, bro.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	140 seconds.
	07's in the chat.
	07.
	Wait, wait, please.
	German, please do not raise your hand.
	Left hand.
	Don't.
	I knew I had a voice.
	No, I had a voice.
	No, no, no.
	Don't.
	Dude, Brian is just stalling now.
	He is stalling.
	I knew she was about to be.
	Stop.
	Don't do it.
	Bro.
	Bro, you're going to get my.
	Bro, you're going to get my shit canceled, bro.
	Don't do the Roman salute, bro.
	I know you're German, but chill.
	Don't do that shit.
	Let us go to bed.
	Keep your arms below your shoulders, okay?
	Look at her face she's done.
	Goodbye, everybody.
	Goodbye.

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