Whatever Podcast - 2 Male Feminists vs. Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas | OF/S Worker DEBATE

Aug. 8, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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2 Male Feminists vs. Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas | OF/S Worker DEBATE | Whatever Debates #9

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	Thank you guys for joining us.
	Hey, thank you for having us.
	Long trip out.
	Long day.
	We're here.
	Yeah.
	This is a trek.
	This was a vacation.
	Well, you came from LA, right?
	Yes.
	Far.
	So, Ryan Paulino, I do Pillow Talk.
	It's a podcast.
	Close for the mic?
	Yeah, just a little bit.
	That's close.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	All right.
	You got it.
	You're doing great.
	Okay.
	I'm from Canadian.
	I'm from Canada.
	I was born and raised in Ottawa, Ontario.
	Moved to Toronto, moved to L.A.
	I do Pillow Talk.
	That's my main gig.
	It's a show where we bring on a lot of adult stars.
	It's a comedy, pro-sex, happy, fun, good time podcast.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Carrill.
	Full name, Carrill was here.
	I'm just an internet degenerate.
	If you don't know who I am, just Google it.
	Slut Whisper on Instagram.
	Run a clothing brand, assholes live forever.
	And just kind of make fun of people for a living.
	That's about it.
	Okay.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It is, to my knowledge, the fastest growing debate channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, satirist, and blood sport debater.
	All right.
	Welcome, guys.
	So I think where we're going to start here is, so kind of some of the topics for today.
	Ryan, you're essentially involved in the sex work industry.
	So we're going to be talking about is sex work good for society?
	Is sex work good for sex workers?
	And should sex work be legalized or illegal?
	But in addition to that, you did have some criticisms specifically about the whatever podcast.
	So we'd totally be open to engage with those and hear your criticisms.
	So what you got?
	Oh, could you just tilt your mic down just a little bit?
	Okay.
	How would you improve the show?
	The hate on Brian Atlas stemmed from, I was hanging out with a girl.
	We were on a date.
	Beautiful date.
	Good night.
	And then I bring her over after.
	And, you know, we're kissing, getting our smoochies on.
	And then she starts freaking out.
	She gets a text from her manager.
	It says, fuck, I got to do the whatever podcast tomorrow, the last time I left, crying.
	He is so mean to us.
	He literally screamed at us.
	There was five minutes left, and he's like, You want to fucking leave?
	Get the fuck out.
	And, you know, we were there seven hours for him.
	We drove four hours, you know, there in battle time.
	And then he's just so mean to us, I don't want to do it.
	But my manager says, because he gets views, it's good, it's good for my OnlyFans and for my career.
	So I have to go and start kind of tearing up.
	That's where it started.
	Because I saw your clips and I was like, you know, anyone doing what I do, shout out to them.
	But then I thought, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	This is baby girl that I, you know, I'm getting romantic.
	Wait, hang on.
	Your fucking criticism is that you're a white knight, bro.
	What's that mean, white knight?
	You're white knighting and simping for some poor.
	See, that's simping.
	Simping.
	That's simping.
	She gave you.
	She gave you.
	She got she gave you the, he was mean.
	And you're like, son of a bitch.
	You know why?
	Because she's a young girl.
	And I don't think we should hit women.
	I don't think we should verbally abuse women, especially not publicly.
	Did she kiss her ass?
	She kissed their asses.
	This says a lot about how Andrew thinks of women.
	To respect them is simping for them.
	And I think that's fucking disgusting, Andrew.
	Oh, baby.
	I'm so sorry that that me and Brian Atlas.
	Did he make you cry by too quiet, challenging your worldview, sweetheart?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	So what I did was I messaged from her account.
	She said, so Brian asked for notes before.
	And I wrote in from her account, hey, this is Ryan from Pillow Talk.
	I forget what I said, but like, fuck you for making, you know, be nice, stop being mean to these fucking girls.
	So that's what I did.
	I went straight to the man and I, you know, handled it to be such.
	I watched, and you were nicer, Brian, which I was happy about.
	But then I watched that stream, and then one of the girls, her friend Aurora, this was Avery, her friend Aurora, who's very young, I think she's 18, her phone started ringing when it got locked away, and you like lost shit and started screaming at her.
	And I said, fuck this guy.
	Anyone who screams and verbally abuses women like that publicly, cute little 18-year-olds that just drove here hours and sat through this just to support you and your show, you're screaming at them.
	I just think that's terrible.
	Don't you sit on sets where they're getting fucked by 30-year-old men in the mouth?
	Yeah, that has nothing to do with screaming at people.
	But the concern is, you know what?
	I told you to silence your phone and you didn't, right?
	That's too much.
	The dick in the mouth from the 30-year-old, totally acceptable.
	Well, I mean, losing your cool at someone is definitely not cool.
	Wait, right?
	I just want to make sure I got this right.
	You have been on sets.
	I've watched your content.
	Right.
	Where you say that you've watched these same-age women getting fucked in the mouth.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct, Andrew.
	Okay.
	I support consensual sex work where they're just their choice and they're happy to see them.
	Just not consensual.
	I don't consensually scream at women.
	Put your phone in here and put it on vibrate so that you don't interrupt the show.
	If you're comparing them doing their career versus a man screaming at 18 years old, there's two different fucking balls.
	I mean, also, this isn't exactly like Jimmy Kimmel, right?
	At the end of the day, if the phone goes off, people go, shit.
	I sneeze, I cough.
	There's a fucking homeless guy playing music across the street, right?
	If someone fucks up, you don't need to yell at them, right?
	You could just be like, not a dick, right?
	If I'm getting a cock in my mouth, it's my choice.
	If I'm hanging out and you start yelling at me, I'm going to be like, bro, I don't need this.
	Like, you're a fucking loser.
	Why you got to communicate via yelling?
	I just want to make sure that I'm crystal clear.
	Yeah, it's okay.
	Move to your next person.
	You know?
	Nick.
	From random stranger, 18-year-old mouth, fine.
	Brian gets a little loud because she has to go get her phone.
	That bad.
	You want to make sure that we're clear on that.
	We're very clear on that.
	No, you know what?
	It's not that specific thing.
	It's just abusing physically or verbally women.
	I don't stand on that.
	Yeah, I don't think that would be a good idea.
	Maybe got my living.
	I don't think what you do for a living can be really.
	Well, so he yells at women for a living.
	And I don't like that.
	No, I think this is.
	Don't yell at men.
	I've never seen you guys yell at men.
	Yeah, which is crazy because we came in here and you're a very nice guy.
	Yeah, you're nice.
	I don't see you lose your cool.
	I don't know if you're playing it up for the show or did you really lose your cool.
	I'm curious.
	Well, so first off, I think you are to some degree mischaracterizing, mischaracterizing the interaction that I specifically had with Aurora.
	Granted, we have two episodes a week that are eight hours long.
	I don't commit to memory precisely every interaction I have.
	Although I'd be happy to actually pull it up and review it without fully knowing exactly committed to memory how that interaction went.
	It could have been the case that her phone went off three times during the show, if I recall.
	So, yes, it would have been frustrating.
	But this characterizing me.
	That's fucked up.
	Like, Tioni, I think joking about it is funny.
	Oh, God, what?
	Just the way I was raised was to respect him.
	Did you gallop up here?
	That's the difference between you.
	Did you gallop up on a white horse?
	Is your white horse out there?
	Do you have it hooked?
	That's how you look at men that respect women.
	That's all white knight bullshit.
	Come on.
	Women, women are equal to men, right?
	Oh, okay, great.
	Unless we talk to them like they're men, then that's too much.
	That's too much.
	You guys don't talk to them like they're men.
	Yeah, if they started yelling at me, I'd be like, yo, fuck out of here.
	Right.
	I'm not getting paid for this.
	This isn't my job.
	I came here to hang, right?
	And if you're going to lose your cool, I mean, I'm like, dude, like, I don't need you.
	Yeah, but if you're going to have adversarial conversations, which is okay.
	Which is how the show is pitched.
	Yeah.
	They're going to get heated.
	I told Brian straight up, I said, I thought you were meaner than you were when I made that video saying, fuck, Brian.
	I thought he would say, like, you're a whore.
	You're never going to get married.
	That's not true.
	He asked questions to set them up for viral clips to make them look stupid.
	So it's different.
	So that's why I said, you know what?
	We're not going to go personal job.
	I mean, at the end of the day, this is a business, right?
	Hang on.
	Let me let me correct a couple things, though.
	Absolutely 100% do not set women up to say stupid things.
	I don't even know the questions when I come in.
	No idea.
	They just say stupid things because a lot of these women are fucking stupid.
	Now, I just want to make sure that we're crystal clear.
	You understand what I'm saying?
	A lot of the women who come in, they're not set up.
	They just say really fucking stupid shit.
	Right.
	I mean, if you did the show with men, it'd be the same thing.
	As men look at us right now.
	Absolutely.
	A lot of people say stupid shit.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So, so when you characterize it as a setup, right?
	There's no setup.
	They just say fucking stupid shit.
	Now, it's hilarious to clip it and put it out there because they said something fucking stupid.
	Everybody's every bit as much as it would be for any man.
	Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, they're not interviewing smart girls, right?
	Because then that wouldn't go viral.
	I mean, I'm sorry.
	They have degrees in psychology.
	They have degrees in mathematics.
	They have university master's degrees.
	Many of these women come in, can't wait to do a debate, and they say the stupidest shit on planet Earth.
	Who could we get who would be up to the standards that you would have of an intelligent woman?
	What would we need besides a master's degree, high education?
	Like what?
	What do you want us to go get a fucking scientist?
	Like, what do you want us to go get?
	What women can we find that aren't going to say this retarded shit?
	That's what I want to know.
	And that's where I think that now that I've actually talked to you guys for about an hour, I don't think Brian disrespects women.
	I don't.
	Andrew, I'm not sure yet.
	Not enough.
	I think if your show, if you saw the value in doing an eight-hour show promoting them, you would have gone the complete other way.
	You're going where the bag is.
	So I don't think you hate them and I don't think you want to disrespect them.
	I don't think you sleep at all at night knowing I really stuck it to that girl.
	Andrew, I think you're the circus leader in the clown show.
	That's literally what we all do.
	That's what I do for a living.
	That's what you do for a living.
	You surround yourself by people who provide you interesting debate and conversation.
	Because if you talk to fucking the same kind of people on your wavelength all day, like no one's tuning in.
	They want to hear Howard Stern-esque conversations, right?
	Jaivanik donated $100.
	Yeah, thank you, Giovanni.
	I respect Twam and built his living around exploiting 18-year-old women in Evelyn's destructive industry.
	Is that for me or you?
	To find a dealer of creeps who values women less than you too.
	Is that it, you guys?
	No, that's a you.
	Oh, nice.
	Built his living around.
	Hold on.
	Yo, Giovanni, thank you.
	First of all, it's not cool that you have your little fanboys coming in chiming in.
	Why not?
	Because we don't have that privilege.
	Now it's an offset.
	Now you guys have an advantage.
	We have to call a friend.
	Your fanboys can chime in right now.
	I didn't promote the show.
	Oh, well.
	Whose fault is that?
	I sent you the link.
	You told you before the show.
	In fact, before the show, you said, depending on my performance on the show, I'm reluctant to actually promote it.
	Yeah, because we're the dumb bitches now.
	We don't know.
	We're not debaters.
	I've never done this.
	He's a professional.
	What'd you say?
	Fastest growing debater in the world?
	We don't know what we're walking into.
	For all I know, you prepped the fucking...
	you prepped we're gonna have a champagne well so let's let's go back to the then i that i would that would not take that as a mark of like success if i had prepped biden first last debate I just want to let you know that that would not be.
	You prepped...
	Yeah, that was the joke.
	Yeah, I'd be pretty ashamed of myself for that one.
	I mean, so let's go back to the original claim.
	So you originally said, there's this girl, cell phone went off.
	I yelled at her, Nick, if you can find the clip, I might have shown, I'll concede that I, so I'll certainly concede that I get frustrated on the show because a lot of these people are not media trained, camera trained, et cetera.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
	About to start my show, but she ate these dudes.
	Bro, you ain't got a white knight so hard.
	The women do that for you on stage on demand.
	These women are the definition of mental midgets.
	All right, thank you for midgets under the blood.
	That's crazy.
	But he should have used dwarves.
	You're right.
	First of all, the M-word is as bad now as the M-word.
	It's little people.
	In fact, you had a little person.
	You know what?
	I thought dwarf was still valid.
	Dwarf is actually a category.
	That's what they want to be.
	It's under a certain height.
	I thought they preferred dwarf.
	I don't like the word person.
	I like little person.
	Little person.
	Because it sounds like mythical.
	Yeah, dwarf is the old one.
	You're right.
	But they have beards.
	But now I believe.
	Don't call me a girl.
	I think dwarfs.
	Dwarf is a smaller one now.
	I believe it's under 3.8 perhaps.
	I'm not sure.
	I think little person was what they like.
	M-word, not cool.
	Disregard that guy's claims he's using slurs.
	He's going to get canceled.
	Grid one.
	You are not helping her soy.
	Don't use the M-word.
	I'm like, that is the euphemism treadmill, though.
	So I guess midget used to be acceptable.
	Now it's not.
	dwarf was acceptable now it's I don't know where dwarf is Now it's little person.
	So in any case, going back to the criticisms, I don't think when you say like I yelled and screamed at her, I mean, you guys are kind of almost yelling and screaming at us.
	I have a pretty soft-spoken voice.
	I'm just like, you do.
	That's how I be.
	I'm ADHD.
	No, I'm not upset by it.
	I have every letter in the book.
	I'm not upset by it, but I might increase my volume a little bit and might be a bit frustrated.
	But at least when it came to her phone specifically, I don't think I was verbally abusive to her when it came to her phone.
	Wait, question for you.
	That guy paid $9 to write that comment and he called us fucking soy boys.
	No, no, he paid $100.
	$100 to write that and I'm the loser?
	I love it.
	I'm going to start paying in a second for our team on the side.
	These two guys are really good debaters.
	Make your bag, boys.
	We are in the studio debating, just saying.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We're here.
	We're happy to be here.
	So I guess going back to the criticisms, you use the term verbal abuse.
	So what, how do you consider verbal, what do you consider verbal abuse?
	Like if they're on the set and they're like, take it, bitch.
	Is that verbal abuse?
	Take it, bitch.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If they're like, oh, shoot it while they're fucking.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	You see, okay, so just so you know, Andrew, is that verbal approach?
	No, no, but when they're shooting porn, how it works, just so you know, is it's very safe, happy environment where you go over what they want, what they don't want, the no's, safe words, all this and that.
	And then there's always a director on the story.
	That's very nice of them.
	Yeah, so before they go and cream this fucking girl's face with eight guys, and she's going to have that video out for the rest of her life, before they do that, they want to make sure that they know her no-no words.
	Yeah.
	Got to make sure.
	Oh, it's too much.
	That's one dick, too many, right?
	They're there because they want to be there.
	It's a safe environment.
	It's their choice to be there.
	And that's all that matters.
	It's what they want to do.
	And it's just nothing wrong with that.
	I don't think that that's all that matters.
	I should shit on someone for that.
	I think that we basically outlaw all sorts of behavior that people want to do because it's really fucking bad behavior.
	And so you just, you know, do you have sex, Andrew?
	With who?
	My wife.
	You have sex with your wife.
	Yeah.
	No ring.
	All right.
	I have my ring.
	Oh, you wear it on the neck.
	Good for you.
	So, okay, so you have sex with your wife.
	They're doing the same thing, Andrew.
	They're having sex with their wife.
	In most cases, they're also aware of the money.
	Do you want to wear a couple of sex, premarital sex?
	I'm just curious.
	I have?
	Yeah, sure.
	Is that like, because here's the thing, I'm not religious in any way.
	So do your beliefs and all this stem from a religious background or just like you just personally look at it and go like, that's gross.
	I look at your beliefs.
	So, one, I would say it's sinful, but I would never be able to convince you guys of that.
	I wouldn't even bother trying.
	But what I can look at is I can look at the societal damage and how fucking horrific it is mentally on women to be involved in sex work, and none of them end up with a good reason.
	But why do you care about these people?
	Because nobody's because this is the society I live in.
	Right, but I don't care about anyone.
	Because here's what I would hope.
	Here's what I would hope.
	And I would never get it from you guys, right?
	But here's what I would hope and wish more than anything.
	That I'd be driving down the fucking road in my shitty car, and the tire goes, and bam, I hit a rock, and I'm fucking dead.
	My daughters are orphaned, right?
	And they're struggling.
	And one of their friends goes, Hey, you know what?
	You could go to this shoot and suck a dick and they'll pay you 20 grand.
	And she goes, You know what?
	That sounds like easy money.
	I wish to God before they walk in that studio, somebody like me would be like, No, don't do that.
	Do anything but that.
	Work as a fucking barista.
	Go do anything but this.
	Right.
	That's what I would hope, but that's not the world we live in.
	Look, I'm not going to debate you on that, but if someone chooses to go into that, it's like, eh, I mean, working at Starbucks is arguably more degrading to your body than taking a cocks.
	Yeah, why can't somebody choose to fuck a dead body?
	Well, they can.
	And do you have any moral qualms with that?
	Nope, because the body's dead.
	No one's getting hurt, so it's fine.
	Who's getting hurt?
	So if they walk over and they grab Roadkill off the road and start fucking it, you have no moral objection to that.
	None.
	No.
	Euler sees the pagan donated $100.
	Turn policing is controlling speech and opinions as an end run around to control modes of expression, which is the means to control the narrative.
	Control that and you control society.
	Just stop.
	I feel like I'm playing like fucking like Dungeons and Dragons.
	I never know.
	That sounded like a quest.
	You know what I think beyond the issue of them choosing to do that is they do have a lot of mental health issues when they do it.
	Not all of them.
	It doesn't help.
	But they do.
	A lot of people have mental health issues.
	Don't you have mental health issues?
	You believe in God.
	That's not a mental health issue.
	That's a mental health issue.
	You exploit women, making them into literal whores, and you want to tone police me, dude.
	You fail actually better.
	Because I just made them spend another hundred.
	That's our hundred.
	Wait, so hold on.
	So hold on.
	Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	So let's explore a couple of the claims.
	So I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	Okay.
	Me believing in God to you is a mental health issue, but fucking a dead body also a mental health issue.
	No, I agree.
	Why is that a mental health issue?
	It is.
	It's fucking weird.
	You have no moral issues with it at all.
	Well, yeah.
	I don't really give a shit about it.
	I also don't care that you believe in God.
	You don't affect me.
	Yeah, but if I did implement those morals of you can't fuck dead body because gross and immoral.
	But what's gross?
	Hang on.
	Anal sex.
	But immoral.
	Immoral to have sex with a dead body.
	You would say what?
	You're hurting my bodily autonomy?
	Like, that's too much for you?
	Is that one line too much?
	Hey, we did not come here to debate fucking dead people.
	That's not a good idea.
	No, I didn't.
	I'm just asking.
	So let me ask this.
	Can you back?
	Can I just ask you a question, dude?
	What is the where does sex stop being gross or start being gross for you?
	Yeah, so I'm not making an ick argument.
	I'm not saying, I'm not going to sit here and tell you what type of sexual intercourse with a female is going to be gross or not gross or tasteful or not tasteful.
	I don't think it's really relevant.
	What is relevant, though, is that to say that we can put no restrictions on consenting sex insane.
	We do it all the time.
	For instance, do you think that a brother should be able to fuck his sister?
	I don't.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	Why?
	Because it's gross.
	Yeah, but that's my opinion.
	But guess what?
	Someone else is going to think that's okay.
	Is it immoral?
	Is it immoral?
	According to today's society, sure, but half the world does it.
	Yeah, do you think it's immoral?
	I think it's fucking immoral to fuck a lot of things in this world.
	Yeah, is that immoral or not?
	Is that immoral?
	What's immoral to you?
	Where do you get your morals?
	Well, I. They're invented by man, right?
	Morals, right?
	They're not what are they passed down to you by the way.
	Well, if it's just subjective, right?
	And I don't know how you call anything immoral ever.
	That's what or so.
	There you go.
	If you think it's immoral.
	Someone could find sitting next to a sex doll immoral.
	So then from your worldview, then you have to understand what that would mean.
	That would mean that you couldn't say serial killers were immoral.
	You couldn't say that child underage diddlers were immoral.
	You couldn't say anything was immoral if your claim is we just make up morality.
	We do make up morality.
	Well, then if we do just make up morality, you have no objective metric for which to call anything immoral at all.
	That's kind of how the discussion works.
	Nothing anything does is immoral.
	It just depends on society's standards.
	And right now, having eight cocks in your mouth isn't illegal.
	So if society says one day if they do, then it's going to be sure to be.
	I just want to make sure that we're clear.
	In your worldview, then if society says that you can diddle kids, totally moral.
	No.
	What do you mean?
	I don't think so.
	Wait, why not?
	Absolutely not.
	Because I can disagree with things, too.
	But I don't disagree with a person taking eight dicks.
	What would the basis be to make the disagreement if it's just a subjective metric?
	If murder was legal, I still would be like, oh, that's kind of whack.
	Why?
	Because I don't just doesn't feel right.
	Just how seeing a girl take eight dicks doesn't feel right for you.
	It's a personal opinion.
	So can you legislate based on it doesn't feel right?
	No, you can't.
	That's why I'm not sure if you can do it.
	Then why do you legislate against murderers and kid diddlers?
	Dude, I don't fucking make the rules.
	Would you?
	No.
	You wouldn't?
	No, because I'm a piece of shit.
	So you wouldn't legislate against kid diddlers?
	Oh, I would do that.
	Okay, well, then if you would do that, then you would legislate based on, eh, based on, eh, it gives me the ick, right?
	It would be based on the fact that a child can't make up its own decisions and it's fucking a child.
	Yeah, but your entire basis for what is moral, you just told me, is based literally on your subjective metric of your preference of I don't like it.
	For me.
	Yeah, we all have, that's called morals.
	Like, we have our own, right?
	So if you have your own morals, you say that the kid did are bad.
	Yes.
	Then what would, and you would legislate against it based on your own morals.
	Sure.
	Why couldn't I legislate on this thing I say is bad based on my morals?
	I'm not.
	I don't care about your opinion just like you don't care about mine.
	Well, no, no, no.
	See, I do.
	You care about my opinion?
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	But you don't know who I am until we just met.
	You can vote.
	He can vote.
	I live in a society.
	He can't vote.
	He's from Canada.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, he can still vote.
	He's going to become a citizen.
	He told me, right?
	Well, we'll see.
	So if you wonder why I care, why do you care?
	Why do you care what all these people do?
	Why do you give a shit so much?
	It's because if they just go all of our morale.
	Andrew, what do you bring to the podcast, man?
	But you've cut Brian off a few times now.
	It's a little annoying for the viewers.
	Oh, they're turning on their own.
	Oh, and these two guys suck.
	It's okay.
	It's the nature of a fast-paced show like this.
	People cut each other off.
	Andrew doobie talking a lot.
	I feel like I haven't got the talking stick.
	You guys say you disagree a lot.
	Brian, where's Brian out?
	Hold on, hold on.
	You got to allow Andrew to finish his argument.
	Okay.
	But name-taken, thank you for the message.
	I feel like I'm in class right now.
	And I didn't bring my riddling.
	If everybody just has these kind of subjective metrics for what is moral and it's all just coming from our own personal preference or purview or this or that, they have no basis to say, one, that anything is immoral, or two, that me legislating any of my morals would be any worse than you doing it.
	So if I say sex work is unequivocally evil and bad, you would have no basis to tell me I'm wrong.
	Yeah.
	But I don't care about your opinion.
	I can discuss that.
	And that's the debate.
	The debate is just, sure, if you and the rest of you Christian populists outlaw sex work, more power to you.
	Hey, if you get the fucking job done, God bless you.
	So how come you guys don't bring on male performers?
	I do.
	We just did.
	We brought on two male performers.
	You have any problems with them, Andrew?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yeah, I debate them all the time.
	Okay.
	I've never seen you guys.
	I debate red pill gurus.
	Well, you have to understand when you say you guys.
	Sterling Cooper.
	We have him on the bottom.
	Whatever podcast is Brian Atlas.
	Yeah, right.
	I'm just a guest.
	Right?
	My show?
	Yeah, I debate with them all the time.
	Okay.
	Absolutely.
	Happy to do.
	Has anyone ever changed your opinion?
	Yeah, I've had my opinion changed about tons of things.
	Okay.
	Especially interactive, the way that men and women interactively date, how it operates in the year 2024, a lot of the reasons people move towards sex work.
	There was all sorts of presuppositions I had, which were completely and totally untrue.
	Absolutely.
	And what I've come to is, interestingly enough, I actually go into debates with open minds, right?
	But when somebody says it's okay to fuck a dead body, obviously I'm not going to.
	Obviously at that point, I'm like, I'm not so sure that your opinion on this is great.
	But the thing is, is I still want to listen to why they think what they think.
	I want to understand why it is that they believe what it is that they believe.
	And what I found is this, unequivocally, almost every sex worker I've talked to regrets it.
	At the end of their road, when they're all done, they always look back and say, I wish I hadn't done that.
	And if you talk to them privately, they say, you're absolutely fucking right.
	And I wish more people would do something about this industry.
	I'm going to chime in there.
	I'm going to chime in there.
	I know these girls very well.
	A lot of them are close friends of mine.
	Do you fuck them?
	Yeah, I have.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I have.
	And I know them very well.
	And I get close with them outside the show.
	And these are my best friends and favorite people.
	And I totally disagree with you.
	Not most of them regret it.
	Not most of them are pissed that they did it and would have made different choices.
	A lot of them rep it and are very happy.
	How many of the ones who are retired are you getting?
	A lot of them.
	I talked to a lot of the ones that are retired.
	They're very happy with, first of all, they made a very big career for themselves.
	A lot of them made multi-multi-million.
	Most sex workers don't make shit.
	I mean, would you treat it like any other job?
	How many people do I talk to that hate their job still, right?
	It's like they got into sex work.
	But a lot of them plumbers.
	A lot of them actually love what they do.
	If you take MILS like Cherie Deville, Alexis Fox, 20 years in the business, multi-millionaire celebrities.
	That's the top, They're shooting five scenes a day because they love it.
	You take a girl like Luna Starr.
	She's been doing this 12 years.
	She's married to Michael Bay, worth $600 million.
	She's married to Michael Bay.
	Yes.
	Or about to get married, but they're dating.
	They're living together.
	Still shoots every day because she loves it.
	These are not.
	She's happy.
	She wants to shoot.
	These are not the common denominator for sex workers.
	You're pointing at the top, 1.1.1%.
	It'd be like me telling people, hey, everybody should do a podcast because Destiny's a multi-millionaire.
	Right.
	So you guys are.
	That would be fucking nuts to say.
	If I said that, I would be setting people up for a while.
	So let's talk about OnlyFans Girls then.
	So that's the degree.
	So is the sex work also back to like just like someone's hooking behind a dumpster for $5 blowjobs, right?
	Yeah, I mean, I would say that's the same thing.
	That's more the speed versus the top 1% of porn stars.
	I think it's all of it to be under the same purview of degeneracy.
	When I say degeneracy, so you understand what that means, it just means without morals.
	So like somebody who says, I don't care if you fuck a dead body or you fuck road kills, fine.
	I consider that to be absent morals.
	Because you say all morality is subjective.
	It's just up to my purview.
	Therefore, what I say is moral.
	What you say is moral.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	That's all the absence of morality.
	Do you guys ever joke around in these debates?
	Because, like, I'm not pro fucking dead bodies.
	You know?
	Like, I didn't just come on here to be like stiff.
	Now, I also want to clarify, I'm just while we're here.
	You guys stiffened up real quick.
	The corn is a very broad bubble of this whole thing.
	I don't know shit about prostitution.
	It's illegal in many states.
	And a lot of times it's not people's choices.
	I'm here to stand up for adult stars doing adult films and then OnlyFans girls girls prostitutes that sell exclusive content.
	How is a corn star not a prostitute, bro?
	That's a prostitute.
	Absolutely not.
	Oh, really?
	So as long as I give you money, as long as I have a camera in your face, it's not hooked up.
	See, that argument gets told to me all the time.
	Because it's a good argument.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	It's a terrible argument.
	One sec, guys.
	In the wise words of Andre Villson, the poorest man in the world still sees himself richer than a degenerate porn star, and so does everyone else.
	See, these are the people.
	Poorest men in the world is like, well, you guys attract women.
	China building an IT.
	Let me give you the argument.
	Let's investigate this claim.
	So what in this statement here has anything to do with woman hating?
	Are you kidding?
	He's saying the poorest man on earth is still richer because a girl shoots adult films on her own terms.
	No, yeah.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	To be a broke man?
	You think that guy.
	You got the quote wrong.
	Here's the quote.
	To be a broke guy in 2024.
	Here's what the quote is.
	Okay, we'll get it.
	The quote is: is that the poorest man in the world will always consider himself richer than a cock.
	Somebody who allows somebody else to purposely fuck their wife.
	The poorest man.
	He said that.
	Yeah, and I know he got it wrong.
	But what the quote actually is.
	Yeah, I mean, I agree with that.
	Yeah, is that the poorest man in the world will always consider themselves richer than the man who shares his wife.
	Do you want to talk about that?
	We could get into that too.
	Maybe later.
	Maybe later.
	Andrew, Corrill, you said something about broke men are bums, or I don't want to misquote you.
	Just could you repeat?
	Oh, I was just, you know, if you're going to the extreme of the poorest man in the world, you're like, why are we using that guy as a metric?
	Imagine that.
	Well, it's to just make the parallel.
	He has no purpose in life.
	Yeah, it's just to make the parallel that materialism is.
	Yeah, I get it.
	Yeah, I don't say.
	And Carrill, if I can, could you just scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
	Yeah, yeah, dude.
	And we just want to get you a bit more into frame.
	Are you able to just scoot a little closer that way?
	Yeah, a little cuddle sesh.
	That's okay.
	Wait, and you said it wouldn't be immoral, right?
	Not at all.
	Currille, you said that a broke man has no purpose.
	Yeah.
	Like there's no value in the yeah, absolutely not.
	What are you doing as a broke dude?
	Like, I have broke dude friends, and I'm like, how are you surviving in this world?
	Well, certainly you need resources to survive.
	If they have no value, they wouldn't be your friends, right?
	If they have no, they're my friends, but you just look at it and you're like, oh, I can't believe you're like a bum.
	I mean, but I mean, like, you don't have friends that are like broke, and you're like, or like when you hear about broke dudes, you're like, what is that?
	Sure, I have friends who are.
	It's fine if you're 21 and broke.
	It's the OG high school homies, you know?
	Yeah.
	But I mean, just didn't make it out.
	But I mean, I'm sure you've encountered friends of your own.
	Perhaps they even were wealthy at one point, but business failed.
	Yeah.
	Health health problem, catastrophic health problem.
	Sure.
	Get I'm talking in extremes too.
	So, you know, sure.
	But so, um, by the way, Andrew, did you want to do your opener?
	Are you happy just keeping it?
	Yeah, we can just keep it.
	We didn't even start yet.
	What's an open?
	No, we're live.
	We're going to start live.
	We're live.
	I feel like you guys prepped more than us because we didn't even get questions.
	You don't need to prep.
	The guys are going to be a good question.
	We're going to raw dog.
	We sent you four questions.
	And we, honestly, me and Andrew have done five shows this week.
	We did not have much time to prep.
	Fair.
	We did a little prep, a little prep.
	We didn't even prep in the car.
	We were just talking about my last days.
	I mean, I'm just like, but we're ready.
	We're fucking ready.
	Question for you, Carrill.
	Andrew, my we can explore this for a few minutes here.
	You mentioned something about religion.
	Do you view?
	You said something along the lines of, and correct me if I'm wrong, you view religious people or religion as a mental illness.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I just an invisible and imaginary friend in the sky is a mental illness.
	Okay.
	Isn't mental illness invisible and imaginary?
	I don't know.
	I'm not a scientist.
	I'm just throwing around buzzwords and saying that someone who talks to if I have a friend that talks every night at the edge of their bed to someone in the sky, yeah, it's a little fucking weird.
	I'm like, duh, that guy's probably a little nuts in this day and age.
	I understand if you're like 70, like my grandma, you're about to meet God.
	You're like, all right, let me try to get it.
	You said you're Jewish but non-practicing?
	Yeah.
	Never.
	So like ethnic or were you born in Russia?
	Just Russian Jews that escaped.
	I got circumcised at age seven, so it wasn't really like a thing.
	Circumcisions weren't like a thing in Russia.
	Grid one motorsports, say what you want, but no grown-ass man wants another dude to be able to ask him how his deck tastes.
	That is what kissing a chick that's had nine cocks in her.
	We haven't talked about cucks.
	We're too messy.
	We need to structure this debate because I could talk on the cucks.
	No, no, no, I can speak on that.
	I can't ask them how to do that.
	Thank you.
	Because I feel that.
	I feel that.
	But we won't.
	No, I mean, we'll just let you.
	So I would just kind of argue that I think it's far more delusional, far more delusional to think that a group of like 20 to 30 year old men's gangbanging an 18-year-old chick and you thinking, well, it's okay because she consented to it, that the ramifications of that, how could that be less delusional than me thinking, ah, you know, maybe there is a divine creator based on the fact that everything has order, which makes no sense.
	Right, but my whole thing is my identity isn't based in bashing either.
	I don't shit on you and I don't shit on them.
	I just kind of live my life.
	Right, but I don't, you know, I just don't like religious people.
	And I have no problem with, you know, porn stars because, you know, we have similar problems.
	Do you think you can be a porn star?
	No, I'm literally a white Russian Jewish kid.
	Not you.
	I'm asking, do you think, let me finish the question.
	Do you think that you could be a porn star while you identify as being a Christian at the same time?
	I don't know enough about religion to tell you what, like to be like, could you?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What are the rules that say that I can't be?
	I don't think you've got a question about the Bible.
	I don't know shit.
	So correct me if I'm wrong and I'm just asking.
	But Mary Magdalene, wasn't she a prostitute?
	No.
	That Jesus said, come hang out with the 12 disciples.
	No.
	She was not.
	She was not a prostitute.
	Pretty sure that's 100% positive Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.
	Why is that a hundred percent positive?
	It is.
	No, it's not.
	A bunch of fucking atheists say this.
	The Bible nowhere says that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute ever.
	Then nowhere.
	Nick?
	Nick can pull it up.
	Nick, pull it up.
	Yep.
	I'm pretty sure.
	I don't know shit.
	Mary Magdalene.
	Absolutely not a prostitute.
	I feel like you're continually just trying to get me.
	But some of the Christians, the interpretists, that were correct.
	There could be some Protestant sex that would probably not be considered Christian, but could identify themselves as being Christian.
	Why do they think that she's a prostitute?
	Because people can think all kinds of crazy shit.
	It's not a rumor, is it?
	It's just a rumor?
	Like, there must be something in the Bible that lets you read that of the prophet.
	Anything, anything can be interpreted incorrectly by anybody.
	Shakespeare.
	Yeah.
	But there must be a paragraph, or what do they call them?
	What do you call those?
	John 8.
	What do you call them?
	A Bible stump.
	That says she was a prostitute.
	There's not.
	Okay.
	There it is.
	She was not a prostitute.
	Now, back one more thing on your religion, though.
	Yeah, we can pull it up.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Mary Magdalene, as it seems according to scripture, was likely not a prostitute.
	Likely not.
	They're saying she is, but maybe she was a slight chance that woman sucked a dick for a ballot.
	No.
	Or like a baby.
	She's likely not a prostitute.
	That doesn't sound like.
	What it means is there's not any evidence for that.
	It's just made up.
	Well, there's not much evidence about anything in the Bible.
	There's a lot of evidence for a lot of things in the Bible.
	Let's not even go there.
	You brought it up.
	I didn't bring it up.
	I didn't bring it up.
	I don't know enough about religion.
	I just think it's weird to talk to a guy.
	Isn't one of the commandments that you can't have sex before marriage?
	Yeah, you're not an adulterer.
	Yeah, that's right.
	So in your religion, you broke one of the 10 mega rules.
	Yeah, one of the 10 commandments, correct?
	So you're fucked.
	You're not going to heaven.
	No, that's incorrect.
	So what are the rules?
	Do you care about breaking that rule?
	Yeah.
	Like, and how does it, like, why do you care?
	Like, why do you care?
	From our worldview, my worldview.
	Yeah.
	Think of your body like a cup, and every time you sin, it fills up a little bit more, right?
	This is the idea of sin.
	Sin itself, right, can be kind of partitioned this way.
	So basically, the more that you sin, the sicker your soul gets.
	That's the prism of the worldview.
	And so you shouldn't do it.
	Now, there's ways for you to compensate.
	He's about to fill your soul.
	Right?
	One of the things that you have to do.
	The water boy, I'm not even part of this.
	That's how you do it.
	That's the goal, right?
	Now, how do you take it?
	Nobody's expecting perfection.
	Right.
	And then I see these TV shows where, you know, all the time and serial killers are going to repent and be like, okay, good, out of my system.
	And we don't have to get into all this because it's not what we came for, but I just think you were fucking before.
	Yeah.
	So what?
	So what?
	So now you're using Christianity against porn stars.
	So wait, so it devalues when you were fucking before marriage.
	That's really weird.
	If you smoke cigarettes, would you tell your kids they could smoke cigarettes?
	Not about the kids.
	It's about you saying you're Christianity.
	Answer my question.
	If you smoke cigarettes, would you tell your nine-year-old they could smoke?
	I don't understand what that has to do with it.
	Answer the question.
	Stop obfuscating.
	No, I would not.
	Why?
	Would you be a hypocrite?
	You smoke.
	You smoke.
	So why are you telling someone else that they can't smoke?
	Well, people got to make their own mistakes.
	So wait, so wait, hang on a second.
	That's really weird.
	It's almost like you can have a standard, and even if you fall short of the standard, you still know it's bad for someone else.
	It's almost like.
	Right, but you can get off the high horse.
	You know, like the guy.
	Here's a great example.
	I'm sorry.
	Am I a prostitute?
	Mother's against you.
	Hang on.
	I'm sorry.
	Am I a prostitute?
	Am I on two?
	Oh, for God.
	Am I on OnlyFans?
	Am I getting gangbanged by eight dudes?
	Like, what's going on?
	You're fucking.
	You're fucking.
	Yeah.
	So the thing is, I also think that there's a distinct difference and distinction which you can make as a category between somebody who has premarital sex and somebody who's accepting money for sexual intercourse daily and getting gangbanged by dudes, getting facials, putting their shit all over the internet.
	Why is that gross?
	I don't understand why that's well here.
	Let's say, let me ask you.
	I don't get why sex is discussed.
	You know what?
	If I'm wrong, let me just ask you a question.
	You would marry a porn star?
	Sure.
	Great.
	Then I want to ask you this question.
	As I said, you have kids with this porn star.
	Retired.
	Little Johnny.
	I don't know what boundaries.
	What if I don't want kids?
	So yeah, we're playing your scenario.
	We'll just say you're going to be.
	Okay, cool.
	Okay, little Johnny comes up to you at nine years old and he says, Hey, dad, take a look.
	There's mom, and she's getting fucked in the face by Jamal.
	Holy shit, hang on.
	Hang on, look.
	My friend said this is the best opportunity.
	Shoot it all over the face.
	Now, you're going to look at that and go, well, now, you see, how do I explain?
	It's all good.
	What about all the other things I got to explain at the moment?
	School shootings.
	So like how everything in the world is fucking awful.
	What in the world is awful?
	Look, if I choose to marry a porn star, right?
	Then I've already in my head know what I should and shouldn't say to my child.
	Tell me how to do it.
	I'm not gonna.
	So, Andrew, I'm not gonna.
	It comes down to.
	Nobody wants that, dude.
	No, that's not.
	Somebody does, right?
	Like, somebody wants to date a fucking 900-pound girl.
	They always date within their own industry most of the time for a reason.
	And it's because they know that men, they know that men see this as being shameful, horrific behavior.
	They don't want anything to do with a chick who's been, you know, had like eight guys on her.
	I disagree.
	Has her shit all over the place?
	And I'll tell you why.
	But why is the guy that?
	It's down to every guy's respected boundary, right?
	You are very pro.
	If she did it, I'm out.
	That's fine.
	And you know what?
	The girls probably wouldn't want to date you either, to be honest.
	So then there's the guys that are happy to date a girl that are still shooting, like Michael Bay.
	He's go shoot Luna.
	He likes it.
	He's into that.
	You know why?
	Because they swing.
	They're open.
	He fucks other girls.
	She fucks other guys.
	Maybe it fucking turns him on.
	Sure.
	So there's that too.
	Me, where my boundary is, and I'll tell you straight up: I would date a retired porn star.
	I would want to be monogamous with my retired porn star.
	It wouldn't bother me for shits on the end.
	It wouldn't bother me.
	$100.
	Who you are?
	Thank you, Gracie.
	If you had a daughter and she said, Dad, I really want to get into of.
	I love effing, and the money is great.
	If you approve, you're garbage and you're stupid.
	No real parent would.
	Yeah, so little Cynthia said, hey, Dad, yeah, I'm going to go see.
	Sex with dick for money.
	But what if little Cynthia?
	Hey, awesome, Cynthia.
	What if Little Cynthia's like, I want a liberal arts degree and spent $100,000 on college?
	I'd be like, you're stupid too.
	Stop.
	You don't have to do that.
	You think that it's kind of equivocating a bit to make the comparison of a liberal arts degree to getting gangbanged?
	I think that the industry.
	You think it's equal?
	The industry is equal.
	This is like getting a liberal arts degree.
	You know what?
	The best thing that ever happened to the industry is OnlyFans because now it's on their terms.
	It's their creation.
	It's their art.
	It's their marketing.
	Yeah, you're not really answering the question about Little Cynthia, though.
	So, if we try to.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm getting there right now.
	All right.
	So, thankfully, since the industry's changed so much, Camilla, who's been on here twice, do you remember her?
	She was the girl on the Mr. Beast show.
	Camilla.
	Dark hair, blue eyes.
	She.
	Florida.
	Yeah.
	I think she's only been on here once.
	Maybe once.
	I think I know who she is.
	Yeah, you know her.
	You know her.
	She does that like height TikTok thing where she likes to.
	She's the queen of TikTok.
	She's the guy's heights.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So she figured it out perfectly.
	And I wouldn't actually encourage my daughter to do what she does.
	She shows nothing on OnlyFans at all.
	Zero.
	But she does TikTok and reels so good.
	Caption release.
	Guys come to see her naked.
	Fuck, she's not.
	That's a sneaky way to not actually answer the question.
	She makes $500 million a month.
	$500 million a month.
	She comes and says, Camilla.
	That's not $500,000 million.
	Fuck.
	You mean $500,000?
	Pardon me.
	$500,000 a month.
	$500,000.
	I'm about to say that.
	But she would make $500.
	$500 even considered.
	We'll have a price.
	That is what I would tell my daughter.
	Honestly, don't show shit.
	Hook them in.
	Make, what is that?
	$5 million a year about?
	$6 million?
	Yeah.
	So, wait, so I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	If your daughter came to you and said that she wanted to go on and have sex and suck men's penises for money while she was being filmed doing it, that's the question.
	Would you tell her that was okay or not?
	I would push her towards this route first.
	So that would mean the other route was not okay?
	I think if your daughter wants to do something.
	That's the first choice I would support her to do.
	I would prefer that she did it this way first because, well, it's just this way, everything is in completely her control.
	She never has to go onto sets where, you know, they're not perfect, the porn sets.
	That's a fact.
	And I wish they were a little bit safer because things do happen on set.
	And I would be worried for her in that sense.
	You know, they try their best to get it right.
	Yeah, but he verbally yelled at a chick for her cell phone, though, once.
	I just wanted to let you know, he did verbally yell at a chick about her cell phone going off once.
	But I can see we're, you know, on the set of one of these porn shoots where this 18-year-old is getting gangbanged.
	You know, that things don't always go right.
	But Brian did yell at a chick one time because her cell phone went off.
	That was the only stream I watched, and that was enough for me.
	Okay.
	So anyway, back to this.
	But back to that.
	Look, I just don't like anyone hitting women.
	Oh, I don't like anyone.
	Verbally or cyberbullying.
	I thought that's what Brian did when I attacked him.
	Well, hold on.
	Just to be clear, I've never hit a woman.
	You hit a woman.
	I thought that you were verbally.
	And then when I watched, I realized, okay, no, he doesn't actually go at them meanly.
	And that's, I messaged him that.
	I'm like, we don't have to do personal attacks because I was actually wrong.
	You just set them up in a way to make office.
	Hold on.
	Got to challenge you there.
	I don't set them up.
	Well, you know what you're doing, Brian.
	You're not, you're not.
	Tell me what I'm doing.
	Tell me what I'm doing.
	This whole show is the opposite of mine, where I do a comedy in the sense of bringing them up, talking funny stories, laughing with them.
	Yours is also a comedy in a way of something to hang out with.
	Let's get them to say dumb shit.
	Guys, guys, let's let Ryan finish.
	So you do it the opposite way.
	It's similar in the way we get beautiful women in sex work to say viral shit, but I say it with more of a positive outlook.
	You say it with a bit more of a negative outlook.
	Well, there's a couple things to clarify here.
	So first off, when it comes to the people that we have on the show, we do have OnlyFans Girls on the show.
	We actually had somebody recently, one of our viewers, painstakingly actually go through all of our episodes and do analysis on their age, profession, where they're from, et cetera.
	And we collected statistics.
	And I believe, Nick, could you pull up the stats really quick?
	Do we still have that pulled up?
	It's either 30% or what's that?
	It's not pulled up at Act.
	Shoot.
	If you can try to find it.
	I think it's in one of the Dropbox folders.
	In any case, it's either less than 20 or less than 30.
	I forgot the exact number.
	I think it's 20, could be 30.
	Less than 20 or 30% of the women we have on the show are involved in sex work in some capacity.
	So we've had over a thousand guests.
	I think less than 200 of them have been.
	So what do you yell at them about?
	You do one per episode.
	For the other 70% of women.
	Well, I mean, we'll have conversations, broad conversations about...
	Sorry, we lost the...
	Oh, okay, we're good.
	We talk about dating-related topics.
	We'll get into culture war stuff.
	Sometimes we'll talk politics, but mostly we'll talk about dating.
	What's wrong with yelling at chicks anyway?
	Like, why is that even a problem?
	Yell at men.
	It's a yellow coward.
	I would yell at everyone.
	I can't yell at both.
	It's cowards.
	You need $100.
	I watched it.
	You can go at Andrew pretty hard with a lint roller.
	BTW.
	I have it, bro.
	By the way, do you guys want the lint roller?
	I see, Kirill, there's a little, I have OCD, so there's like a little speck on your shirt if you want to.
	Sure, you got some.
	I'm just looking up.
	I know, I got an idea.
	I have a girlfriend.
	I got to get it.
	I'm not trying to get late anymore.
	I don't care what I look like.
	You missed it.
	You just, wait.
	Oh.
	Did you guys see it?
	Oh, yeah, good.
	There you go.
	Let me get all the fucking crusty comb off my fist.
	The fuck.
	That wasn't a joke.
	That was good.
	That was a good thing.
	And the thing is, these girls do have mental health issues.
	Cause from porn?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you think it's before?
	Do you think it's before?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Wait, but don't you think it's before porn?
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	I was about to say something.
	Come on.
	It's the negativity that comes with it.
	Oh, the social stigma.
	That's the word you're looking for.
	It's what's hurting them the most.
	And it's been a tough year.
	This year, there were suicides, overdoses, and deaths.
	And I think a lot of them would not have gone all the way to that terrible, all the way bad and dark if the world was just fucking chill and peace and happy.
	You want to fuck on camera?
	Go have fun.
	You know, it's people that are telling them they're fucking whores all the time.
	People like you, Andrew, that are getting to their fucking brains.
	Who knows?
	We could have saved a fucking life.
	Well, okay.
	You know what?
	I'll grant the argument for a second that it's the social stigma that does it.
	So then you would have to grant that if we eliminated it, if we shut the industry down, they wouldn't have to deal with the social stigma, would they?
	Yeah, but that's anti-Hang, hang on.
	Let me read them.
	That's no way to do it.
	Why is that no way to do it?
	Because if it's their choice and they're safe, let them live, baby.
	Wait, for most of our history, this was outlawed because of the ramifications of the mental illness which came along with it, because of the massive amounts of STDs that came with it.
	And that's a big problem in that industry.
	Actually, no.
	Oh, well, let's go over the rates if you think that.
	Yeah, but you can't die from STDs like that anymore.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you can't die from HIV.
	Not in the middle.
	Anymore, no.
	Yeah, no, even if you could die from HIV.
	Now you take away.
	I mean, you could die from fucking anything.
	And you know what?
	I've slept with a lot of women, Andrew.
	I've gotten more STIs from non-porn girls than porn girls.
	I'll tell you right now.
	How many STIs have you gotten?
	More!
	That's not for debate.
	Can I slide to the right a little bit?
	I've only had the chill ones, you know?
	Yeah, have you had multiple times, though, like the chill ones?
	Do you have permanent STDs?
	No, I do not.
	Those are the scary ones.
	But I mean, isn't that a bit of a picture?
	But good.
	No, I don't.
	I have caught an STI.
	I'd like to finish this exchange.
	I'm almost done.
	And I'll tell you, I've never caught anything from a porn star.
	I've slept with porn stars.
	Evidence shows HIV.
	Civilians.
	You know who's worse?
	Yeah, hang on.
	The clout chase girls in LA that are out with celebrities and they're out HIV.
	We literally have the numbers.
	That's one thing we got.
	Those girls are who have STDs because they're sleeping with rock stars who fuck thousands of women.
	That's where you're going to, you've got to wrap it up with them.
	Yeah, no, you're not going to have to do that.
	They get tested every week.
	Dude, Koalas have STDs.
	And they only fuck each other who get tested every week.
	Yeah, well, here's what the evidence.
	All good.
	Here's what the evidence shows.
	Evidence shows HIV prevalence among sex workers 12 times greater.
	12 times prostitution.
	No, but that's the industry.
	Unregulated.
	We're talking porn.
	Bro, who has more fucking hammer injuries than a handyman?
	Andrew, look up porn because you're taking prostitution.
	Hang on.
	But he's also the metric of people who do this for a lot of people.
	You're using third world countries that fuck without a condom every day, 10 dudes a day for a bagel.
	You're not letting me finish, so you can't even understand the argument.
	Countries with countries with legalized prostitution, legalized prostitution, that would be corn.
	With higher human trafficking, they have higher human trafficking inflows in countries where prostitution is prohibited.
	The scale and effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e., the expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect where legal sex workers are favored over legal workers.
	This means that human trafficking increases if prostitution is legalized and if sex work is legalized.
	Cross the board, human trafficking goes up.
	But here's the other side effect that you won't talk about.
	And this is one of the things that you need to kind of answer to.
	Sure.
	The fact is, according to this study, that the internet is so saturated with pornography, it makes it extremely hard to find the incidences of CP, which exist that are uploaded to these sites.
	See, that's child stuff.
	It's estimated in 2003 that 20% of all pornography traded over the internet was that type of pornography.
	That since 1997, the number of child images like that are available on the internet had increased 1,500%.
	1,500%.
	Which means right now, by the way, somewhere around 67% of males before age 15 have watched full hardcore corn on the internet.
	Somewhere around 37% agree.
	Didn't you, Andrew?
	No.
	Didn't you?
	That wasn't even around then.
	What did you jerk off?
	We jerked off to like Macy's catalogs.
	The thing is, the thing is, if you're watching it, you can be exploited by it.
	That's why you have a 1,500, 1,700% increase in the amount of child images which are now out there in the public.
	Child porn, we're not even going to, like, none of us here fucking support that.
	I'm not saying you support it.
	I'm saying that with the industry comes the entailment of this.
	When we all discover our penis.
	I mean, to enjoy MNN, we have to have obesity.
	We're all going to see, oh, shit, what does this do?
	Oh, that feels kind of cool.
	We all do it.
	Even priests.
	Yeah, so what are you?
	Even nuns.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	My point is, we're all jerking off.
	So yeah, guys that discovered porn on the internet, big deal.
	I was jerking off.
	I remember the M ⁇ M Superman video had a titty flash.
	I would pause it at 2 minutes, 38 seconds, and I walk to that every fucking day.
	All good.
	Literally every time.
	If I had porn, I would have just shipped it to that.
	That was my porn.
	That doesn't change anything.
	You're not answering to what I'm saying.
	Is your argument, if I can explain it to him?
	Is your argument the fact that this industry creates all this waste, right?
	This radioactive waste known as CPU.
	The fact that it exists at all.
	The fact that this, yeah, the fact that this industry exists and is promoted leads to a massive increase in minors consuming this type of material, which then leads to the exploitation of those same minors.
	Right, I understand that, but don't you think most, a lot of things in our society comes with a lot of bad, horrible shit?
	Right, I suppose, sure.
	Like sugar.
	Sure.
	Right?
	But, well, you're not out here lobbying to outlaw Snickers.
	And yeah, it wouldn't be an outlawing of Snickers.
	Well, so here's the thing.
	Most people don't develop a mental illness because they ate Snickers.
	They develop mental illnesses, though, if they're on the set of porn sites and they're getting banged.
	When you're talking about the people who are talking about developed a mental illness, you're talking about things which are just generally unhealthy for you.
	Human beings seem to be able to regulate their behaviors around these things.
	Some things are much more addictive than others.
	For instance, massive campaign from the government to reduce smoking.
	They didn't have to outlaw smoking.
	They just did everything that they could to create a social stigma around it, and the rates of it went like this, down to almost nothing.
	They did the same thing with obesity.
	They have pro-if they do anything pro-health, that type of propaganda seems to work significantly well in the population.
	You could do the exact same thing with pornography and sex work, have huge amounts of propaganda saying this is really bad.
	Do anything but this, even if you never made it illegal.
	I got it.
	Let me ask you this.
	This would not exist if not for men consuming it.
	Or women making it.
	Or men consuming it.
	Or women making it.
	Where there's demand, there's market.
	Where there's market, there's demand.
	It is a hundred billion dollar a year industry.
	And if this didn't exist, guess what?
	They would be buristic.
	And 30% of it is women consuming it as well.
	So the thing is, is that the industry still would exist without men.
	It might only be $40 billion instead of $100 billion.
	How many women are paying?
	I don't know how many they're paying.
	They get the free.
	Oh, lots of them pay?
	They get the free shot.
	Lots of them pay to cheap out on their porn.
	But this is one of the worst arguments made by the kind of pro-corn side is that if men didn't exist, this wouldn't exist.
	Yes, it would.
	Just like if women weren't making it, then there would still be gay porn right now.
	I just don't understand the, you know, my.
	You know what crack dealers say?
	They say someone else is going to sell them crock.
	Right.
	Is crack legal?
	No.
	If it was, would more people sell it?
	Yeah.
	Argument defeated.
	Over to you.
	No, That's a cheese argument.
	No, you got destroyed, bro.
	No, no, no, I disagree.
	Oh, my God.
	Listen, I just agree.
	You just grabbed it.
	Whether there's a market, there is demand.
	Yeah, but you just agreed that we can limit the market and the demand, right?
	Whether it's there or not, it reduces the amount of consumers.
	If, on the other hand, you're saying if we made porn illegal, would there be less porn?
	Of course.
	Yes.
	You can make anything illegal.
	Yes.
	Yeah, no shit.
	Yes, but you can also create regulations around this.
	You don't even have to pay for it.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	So are you okay with porn?
	Yeah, please.
	Wait, so wait, wait, just real quick.
	Are you okay with porn or you're trying to say no porn?
	Yeah, I would get rid of it altogether.
	So what are you willing to be willing to meet somewhere where there's a lot of people?
	So tell me where you're going to be.
	It would probably be the case porn.
	So I would say, so here's what I would say.
	Of course.
	I'd say you couldn't get rid of it tomorrow, okay?
	But you could do some things which would greatly regulate it.
	For one, right?
	I'd say you need on the internet to upload some kind of photo ID in order to access these sites.
	That way you can keep minors off of them, period.
	Do you think that works?
	Because I'm as a 14-year-old literally can do whatever I want.
	Let me finish the solution and then you can criticize it.
	That's fair, right?
	Next, I would up the age of which you can actually do this type of work from 18 to somewhere around 25 years old.
	Who wants to see a 25 or 100?
	27 year old, right?
	I would definitely up the ante of when a person could enter into a contract like this for the same reason that you can't go and rent a car until you're 25 years old.
	There's a good reason for that.
	It's because you don't really understand the contracts that you're entering into.
	So this is a big problem.
	Can I apply that to religion?
	This entire bullet points as well.
	We shouldn't indoctrinate children into religion until they're 25.
	All you have to do is falsify it, like I just did with corn, and then sure.
	Okay.
	You know what?
	I don't hate any of your points.
	I actually don't.
	But your arguments have all been, these people are gross and this is gross.
	That hasn't been my argument.
	I'm not at those points at all.
	I want to talk about it.
	But at what point in time did you say, I don't want nine cocks in the mouth?
	Because that was your original argument.
	So, no, what I'm saying, that was distinct, and it was going against something which was said back towards Brian about a cell phone incident.
	When I'm talking about, he thinks, oh, it's really mean that you yelled at an 18-year-old because her cell phone went off versus, but I'll watch her get gangbanged by eight dudes, even though that's going to leave massive ramifications.
	Somehow, I face fucked my girlfriend and you yell at her.
	I don't need a 40-year-old yelling at a girl that I'm.
	Listen, let me get the point out.
	Y'all let a man show me how tough you are, buddy boy.
	Instead of eight men ganging on one, that's some type of like savage, awesome, epic man.
	I'm standing for whatever a girl wants to do.
	She does not want to be yelled at by a guy to be cyberbullied on.
	Then I don't support it.
	She wants to go get fucked by 40 dudes.
	God bless her.
	Yeah, so she can consent to go do that, but not getting an argument.
	God bless her.
	Yeah, not getting an argument.
	An argument.
	I want 40 days.
	Yeah, but I mean, if you fight with my girlfriend, she's done horrible things in bed with me that these two don't equate, right?
	I face fucked my girlfriend, but you are mean to her in public.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to be a dick back to you.
	What is that?
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Yeah.
	But you should expect the same thing from the religious to people who are exploiting women and exploiting men in the porn industry.
	The same thing should apply there.
	The religion thing.
	Back to the religious.
	If you're saying, because you do this thing to this person, right?
	And I have some emotional investment here.
	I'm going to do something back.
	Well, that's exactly what the religious are saying to you.
	What do you mean?
	They're saying we have an emotional investment in mankind, and we're not going to let you exploit them.
	That's what they're saying.
	They're saying the exact same thing you are.
	But they're exploiting you with the religion.
	Yeah.
	You discuss your body being a cup, you're filling with sins, but then you're like, ah, my sins are okay, but I'm going to tell my daughter not to do that.
	Well, you know what an analogy is, right?
	Yeah, I do.
	Yeah, so great.
	So I can make an analogy so you understand conceptually what I'm saying.
	It doesn't mean I'm giving you the physical reality.
	Yes, I know that's not your point.
	Andrew, let me tell you this.
	Let me tell you this.
	I am pretty sure.
	If you do, like your last points were fine.
	But when you say it's, okay, porn is illegal, block it.
	Then it creates an unsafe environment.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's the.
	Look what happens with your priests when you say they cannot masturbate or have sex.
	Look what they do.
	I don't know because my priest can have sex and get married.
	Okay, great.
	Yeah.
	Catholic priests.
	Look what they do when you block something.
	He's not a Catholic.
	I'm not a Catholic.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I don't know shit about religion.
	But you look at Catholic priests.
	You block them from something.
	Now they're doing it in real fucked up, unsafe ways.
	So if you block porn.
	What a crazy good point.
	You know what?
	It really is.
	This is a crazy good point.
	For instance, for instance, you're right.
	A Catholic priest is going to be probably 10, 20 times higher than the average person when it comes to going after kids that way.
	That's true.
	Yeah, but teachers are about 100 times more likely to do it in public schools where it's mandatory that you send your kids.
	I wasn't talking about teachers.
	I'm talking about priests.
	Yeah, just saying.
	But wait, wait, it's taboo.
	You know what?
	Hang on, it's taboo and both.
	But here, you're worried about priests.
	Whereas the mandate is that you send your kids to public school, their likelihood of getting assaulted there is way, way higher by the staff and teachers.
	So I'm not sure this is a great point.
	No, it's a great point because you.
	Is it really?
	Yeah, much higher, almost 100 times higher.
	Let's pull that up.
	Yeah.
	Regardless.
	I'm so pagan.
	I'm going to go to school.
	I'm not saying pagan.
	I'm saying when you put rules on things, I feel like, and this could be wrong, I feel like all my friends wanted to smoke weed when it was buying it off drug dealers.
	And then when Canada legalized it, ah, weed's not my thing.
	People want to do what they can.
	So if you block porn, it's just, and I was smoking some bad shit.
	I had some bad trips.
	Porn, that could happen to porn.
	You're going to get sketchy, fucking weird dudes making girls do things they don't want.
	There's no safe words or regulations.
	Man, that's crazy.
	So I guess we should get rid of stop signs, stoplights, traffic laws, traffic.
	In fact, everything's safe.
	If you've got a speed limit, if there's a speed limit there, then that's what you're going to do.
	You're going to break it because the speed limit's there.
	Less, yes.
	I mean, I do break the limit.
	Let's go.
	On the Autobond, where is that Germany?
	No speed limit.
	And guess what?
	Less fucking accidents, Andrew.
	Got them.
	The less accidents which happen happen in the Autobahn.
	Do you know why that is?
	Men are driving.
	Well, yeah.
	But no.
	Do you know why that is?
	Do you think if they put a speed limit on the Autobond, that suddenly there would be a bunch more accidents?
	I don't know, dude.
	One could argue.
	Then argue it.
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	I don't know.
	No one knows until I'm trying to.
	So I just want to make sure that we got this right.
	There's a four-way cross, right?
	Four ways.
	You want to take the stop signs out of that, right?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	Well, I don't.
	I'm saying this.
	No, no, no.
	If the stop sign's there, your impulse is going to be...
	What's the analogy?
	I'm not stopping for you, motherfucker.
	What the fuck is that you shouldn't cancel porn because it'll make it a shitty, unsafe place and more bad shit will go away.
	Yeah, what's going to be worse than the exploitation of kids up to 1,500 times the rate of before we had porn legalized?
	What's going to be worse than that?
	The porn companies that are doing have nothing to do with the kids.
	Nothing.
	Bro, okay, you're right.
	The smoking companies have nothing to do with the cancer.
	Bray, I don't think you just wake up one day and want to like that.
	You think a big porn company, I'm not going to tiny names in the same sentence, but a big one has anything to do with child porn?
	They don't at all.
	Bro.
	They're regulating shit like a corporate business.
	Don't say that word, child this, because of YouTube.
	I don't mind the words.
	Sure.
	I love getting into it.
	Got it.
	CP, CP.
	Don't even say that.
	Just say CD.
	So anyway.
	You said CP.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I did.
	You're right.
	But anyways, so back to this, just so you understand.
	What you're saying would be the equivalent of me saying tobacco.
	Chris donated $100.
	You guys argue like the bimbos that come on.
	I got to go.
	You're making valid points and nervously laugh when making them.
	And then introducing affirmation and support while kidding at each other.
	Cringe.
	I can't get a word in.
	You guys are just talking about it.
	You're not talking.
	I barely talk either.
	I'm not anti-clicking.
	I'm going to have a smoke.
	There you go.
	I want to have a smoke.
	Oh, okay.
	You go smoke and dip.
	That's a sin, man.
	Yeah, that is a sin.
	It's not a sin.
	It isn't?
	Well, we'll get into it as soon as he's talking about.
	What about the shot we did before the show?
	Not a sin.
	Okay.
	Andrew is.
	Molly.
	Molly.
	There it is.
	All right, guys.
	Andrew's going on a brief smoke break.
	He'll be back just momentarily.
	Nick, why don't you pull up the stats really quick because we mentioned it earlier?
	I saw you guys texting, and that's another.
	Texting?
	It's another bonus that we don't have.
	What are you not going to say?
	They have their call a friend.
	They have their ask the audience.
	Hold on.
	So hold on, hold on, hold on.
	This is for our most recent.
	We've done, I think this is from 181 episodes of ours.
	We've done 185.
	So the percentage is about 20%.
	About 20% sex workers, 80% quote-unquote normal women on the show.
	So the majority of the women we have on the show are normal, non-sex workers, civilians.
	Right, they take it.
	Which of your clips are the most viral?
	Honestly, the ones without sex workers.
	Some of you are the most viral moments.
	Not a sex worker.
	Granted, we have had viral moments with sex workers.
	Maybe that's my algorithm then.
	It certainly could be.
	Nick, we're going to pull up the soup chat.
	All right, we have Nathaniel Cook.
	You say that you shouldn't yell at an 18-year-old because she's young/slash little girl, yet you would F an 18-year-old.
	Would you say that you are effing?
	Okay, well, that last part.
	Yeah, yeah, that's a little much.
	Yeah, but I mean, I think in one of your maybe Instagram stories, Ryan, you said something along the lines of this 40-year-old, by the way, we're like the same age.
	Almost.
	Yeah, I'm the 40-year-old.
	Something like, he brings on these 18, 19-year-old girls, and he just, he just yell, disrespects them.
	But it's like, I will certainly concede that occasionally I will get flustered or frustrated or sometimes lose my cool and I'll get frustrated.
	The girl will be like, what the fuck?
	You know, whatever it is.
	But I would assume you're totally fine with 18-year-old women doing like hardcore porn.
	I don't know.
	I think it's a little young to start.
	But they can.
	The advice that the veterans do give 18, 19, 20-year-old girls is: wait a bit, maybe you're a little young to start.
	And I back that.
	Right, but you can't be mad at someone for using the law to their advantage, right?
	Like, if you could buy cigarettes at 18, you're going to go do it.
	Sure.
	Yeah, they can do it.
	Like, do I think 18-year-olds are gross?
	Yes.
	I don't think they should jump in that young, to be honest.
	Fair enough.
	I did want to talk to you guys.
	So, Ryan, you have a lot of these OnlyFans girls on their shows.
	I think this goes beyond.
	This is actually one of my big criticisms that, not of you, but this.
	And well, do you have an OnlyFans?
	I think you might post anything.
	Yeah, so Pillow Talk does.
	We've posted six clips.
	Okay.
	And it's where I have them fuck on the show.
	But you're not in any of the videos, correct?
	No, I sit there and I interview them while they fuck.
	Okay.
	I think I saw a clip on your Twitter.
	So you're just in the corner.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	In any case, if people are going to hate on me, they call me a cuck.
	One of, I guess, the criticisms I've had.
	How's that not – well, I – Wait.
	What to just watch the wife?
	Google what a cuck means that you like watch your wife get fucked.
	That wouldn't be people fucking just odd.
	Yeah, definitely.
	But do you commentate?
	Do you do color commentary like NFL like while they're yeah?
	So what do you how does it go?
	So we've done it.
	We've done it five times now.
	No, but it's content.
	So our most viral episode.
	So really what Pillow Talk is, it's kind of bringing mainstream comedy, you know, Barcelona of rated R, so of porn industry.
	So it's comedy, fun, sex, positive, have fun.
	It's a comedy show, right?
	Every now and then I like to shock the world and go a little viral.
	So our most viral episode is we had this guy, Jake Marshall, at Stage 4 Cancer, begging me to meet his two dream porn stars because who me Nikki Benz.
	So I flew him down to be on the show and meet them.
	It was his dying wish.
	And we surprised him with a fucking threesome where they fuck him on the show.
	Did he die?
	Best day of his life.
	And then we sold that.
	I told him I'd split the money with him 50-50, sell it on OnlyFans, $15 to see the whole episode.
	Went crazy, did very well.
	That money got him into special intensive care unit, saved his fucking life, and got rid of the cancer.
	Dude, true story.
	So.
	I'm not mad at that.
	one thing i did want to get in when it came to uh only fans so let's even just do you want to two porn stars to save your cancer No.
	Or you would just pray.
	No.
	Mind you.
	Hold on.
	I wouldn't fuck two porn stars ever.
	So let's just put aside the criticisms of the actual nudity.
	So let's put aside the criticisms of the actual nudity and stuff.
	One thing a lot of OnlyFans girls are engaged in is, so one component of OnlyFans, and I'm not really an expert in it, but I've heard from girls themselves, is they offer essentially, and I think the way they maybe they get it through tips or they charge for chats for messaging.
	To be able to message the girls, the guys have to pay them money.
	And the girls represent that it's them, like the girl talking to the guy.
	I see where you're going.
	And so.
	And what's actually happening?
	Wait, hold on.
	I don't like to promote that part of it because it cock blocks my girl's bag.
	Well, so, and I, as a courtesy.
	We can talk about it.
	We can talk about it.
	Yeah, so actually, as a courtesy, if those guys are actually gay.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Let me just make my point.
	So as a courtesy, a lot of the time, I will actually, since they're coming on, because I don't want to like, unless they're super rude, I'll refrain from bringing up this criticism of OnlyFans, just so whatever.
	But so they have what's called typers and chat or chatters, where it's not them who's chatting, not the girl specifically who's chatting to the men, but it's some guy in the male top.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	It's a hold on.
	It's a male in the Philippines who's pretending to be her, but these girls, but these girls are representing are saying, you're talking to me.
	Bro, women lie.
	Sure, but hold on, hold on.
	But so when you're not tweeting at Wendy when I'm tweeting at Wendy's.
	No, but you know what I mean?
	Like, I'm just like, I know.
	Hold on, let me make my argument.
	So when you're advertising a product and if you're saying you can talk to me, I'm the one talking to you and you're charging money for it.
	This is actually fraud.
	It's fraudulent to say you're talking to me, but it's some dude in the Philippines.
	In fact, you're basically like forcing that dude to be kind of gay.
	I don't know if it's gay, like if he's sexting me.
	I get your point.
	I get your point.
	You know what I mean?
	It's a very bad point.
	But you're non-consensually making him gay.
	Yeah, but you're looking at sex work as sex work and not that as a business.
	And that's just delegating some responsibility.
	So Brian, I hear your point.
	It's a business.
	That's a good one.
	You raised a good point there.
	The Sistine Chapel wasn't painted by Michelangelo alone, right?
	He had assistance, and that's what these OnlyFans chatters are.
	They're helping me fulfill my dream of fucking living on an island and making a million dollars a year.
	You know what I really think?
	Sure.
	What do you think?
	I don't think they care.
	The guys.
	I don't think they fuck.
	Because they're just getting the content to whack off.
	They know.
	If a documentary came out exposing this, I bet the numbers wouldn't fucking change.
	And the guys are still there chatting.
	This is why AI is coming out.
	And it's blowing up.
	I didn't think it was going to work.
	I was like, no, they want to talk.
	They think they're talking to Angela White when they're not.
	No, no, no.
	They don't fucking care.
	They want to jerk off and be sexting who they think is them.
	They probably don't know.
	They don't have time to answer a billion people.
	There's enough mentally ill men who are like, I don't care.
	Some are probably stupid enough to think so well.
	Some probably don't talk to a fake girl.
	Well, there's two things here.
	So, yes, there are the men who they subscribe to the OnlyFans and they mostly care about the images and maybe the talking, the chatting is secondary to them.
	And they, whatever, it's some fucking bot, robot, assistant person, third party, fiverr in the Philippines.
	Sure.
	But then I would argue, I would say most of the men that are subscribing to the OnlyFans, and part of there's this sort of, I don't know if it's parasocial, but they're almost selling this girlfriend experience too.
	And then that's when these girls are going to sort of, oh, I'm single.
	I'm actually romantically interested in you.
	Continue financially supporting me.
	And at the end of the rainbow, potentially there's a chance to be in a relationship with these girls.
	Of course, this is never the case.
	They typically have boyfriends, which they hide.
	But speaking strictly on the whole chatter type or thing, I would say most of these men are naive.
	They don't know.
	And so if they do believe that if you're selling a service, you can talk to me, but it's actually some person being paid minimum wage and whatever.
	You think Bieber runs his own Twitter?
	They're just literally tweeting back on stage.
	It's the same thing.
	They don't fucking care.
	Bieber tweeted me.
	They want to believe it.
	They want to believe it.
	Well, I'll even, then I'll make the same claim for Justin Bieber.
	If he's advertising that he's, you can speak directly to me and if you subscribe to my Twitter, then yes, but if he's saying you can speak with me, are you asking if that's fraud?
	Yeah, sure.
	But so is the full self-drive from Tesla.
	Fraud is all around us.
	Why do we care that a bunch of fucking losers are being scammed out of their money over naked photos?
	Do you really care about those people?
	Well, I don't.
	Photos is one thing, but the conversation is a lot of people.
	I bet if this came out lonely.
	I bet you'd be surprised how little they fucking care.
	I bet.
	So you don't have any objections to being separated from his money.
	I see what you're saying.
	And that's capitalism.
	There's an ethical line on it because you could argue some of them do push it to the, come chat with me.
	Bro, the hot girl's not going to fuck me because I drink a Bud Light, irregardless of what their fucking commercial says.
	But why are these guys giving the money for it?
	If you're buying pictures, sure.
	But to just send money, 800 bucks to a girl, you think she's going to fuck you, bro?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	You don't honestly, like, realistically, in everything that goes on in the world in terms of capitalism and making money, you don't really give a fuck that these dudes are being scammed out of a dollar.
	I do all the time.
	You really do?
	Yes, of course.
	But I object to the other ways in the world in which people are getting scammed or fucked over too.
	Now, I see your stance on that, and I'm not going to argue that it's good that they're doing this, but I actually just automation.
	I don't think the guys would give a fuck.
	That's maximizing your pussy.
	That's all these guys are doing.
	These girls are like, I work hard.
	So look, even with the nudity, they can still do it, but I think misrepresenting.
	I think it's a good thing.
	You know, come in the champagne room, find out if I'm going to fuck you.
	I don't fuck with the champagne.
	I'm going to get three to your song.
	Same idea.
	You have to have a worldview.
	Your worldview is you're fucking delusional.
	You pray to the Sky Daddy who doesn't exist.
	But if you want the delusion of chatting with somebody who doesn't exist on the other end, that's fine as long as I can make some fucking money.
	However, if the religious are pushing that, that's bad because it's what.
	Yeah, but I'm not arguing that against you.
	I didn't come in here attacking a religion.
	I was just saying that you said it's literally mental illness.
	Yes, it is.
	Okay, well then how is that not an attack?
	But isn't that an attraction?
	But that's just my opinion.
	I don't fucking see it.
	That's still an attack.
	I'm sorry for attacking you.
	Well, you're not attacking me.
	You're attacking the religion, though.
	Right, but you don't have to worry about it.
	And so I'm attacking the idea that this fraud is fine because you happen to make it.
	It's also fraud.
	I give money and then you'll get in the head.
	Oh, you know what?
	There's tons of fraud.
	There's nothing to do with it.
	There's no fraud in religion.
	No, 14 years since.
	And it's all wrong.
	All fraud in religion.
	Why are you part of it?
	Because I don't believe that all churches are fraudulent.
	That they have to do that.
	And I don't believe that they have an epistemic belief.
	I don't believe that.
	All sex workers are great, but you are defending this.
	You say this is fine.
	This fraud is fine.
	There's nothing wrong with it because it makes you money.
	That's capitalism.
	No, because there's no harm.
	The delusion is not.
	There's no one's being harmed there.
	There is people.
	Not only are there objectively victims here of this fraud, which would be A, the guy who thinks he's having this parasocial relationship with this chick, but then two, there's a woman illicitly getting the money this way.
	It's even harmful to her.
	There's two victims.
	You victimize yourself.
	I lie every time I had to get laid.
	Right?
	It's a dance.
	It's a dance.
	We both are lying.
	If you are delusional, if you think everyone's honest, when you're fucking 19 and trying to go to a bar, you're lying about how nice your place is.
	It's my car, not my parents.
	Right.
	Like, you're literally doing everything you can to get to your goal.
	Do you?
	I mean, when you were 25, were you lying to get laid?
	Probably.
	Probably.
	What's the deal?
	Well, who cares?
	Well, I mean, I would think that women would care.
	I'm not lying like, hey, you know, I'm lying like, hey, it's 12 inches.
	That's my life.
	Oh, yeah.
	So then, just to get this right, let's say you wake up in the morning.
	Yep.
	All right.
	And you take off the pants of the girl who's next to you and there's a penis there because it was a transgender person.
	Bro, you think if I went to bed and didn't suck that dick the night before, I would know that there's a penis.
	Right.
	What?
	Would you feel like you were defrauded if a woman took you home and you took off their pants and there was a penis, would that be fraud?
	I would blame myself for not checking.
	It's your fault.
	It is.
	Not that they had nothing to do with it.
	They weren't misrepresenting themselves.
	They weren't doing any of that.
	Probably.
	Yeah, probably.
	And he would say, hey, you shouldn't be fucking doing that.
	That's totally.
	I'd be like, bro, don't you think that's a good question?
	Transgender should disclose.
	I have a dick, by the way.
	I know that you think I'm a woman, but I have a penis.
	Why?
	Because otherwise it's fraud?
	Because otherwise you're being dishonest and you are taking advantage of it.
	I think that's actually meeting someone in person is a lot different than just having fraudulent.
	I know a girl that gave a guy a blowjob.
	He played on the Blue Jays, and she gave him a blowjob in the bathroom at a bar.
	We were all at a sports bar, and she ran out and said, I just sucked his dick and I have a dick.
	And that's not cool.
	No, it's not.
	Because he thought it was a woman.
	Yeah, it seems like misrepresenting.
	That sounds like assault.
	Yes, exactly.
	Sounds like misrepresenting yourself and fraud can do some serious damage, like lying to a woman.
	I would argue that lying to a woman in order to bet her would also, that would be taking advantage of her.
	How is an ugly guy like me supposed to get laid, bro?
	I guess with some honesty.
	I guess with some honesty.
	You got a lot of status.
	You got a good following.
	Okay.
	You got your own company brand and good money.
	Sure, but we all lie to each other every fucking day.
	That doesn't mean she wears makeup.
	It doesn't mean he should be encouraged.
	She's face-to-ing photos.
	I'm lying about how much money I have.
	But they're all.
	What?
	Come on, dude.
	What?
	You're lying to your girl about how much money you have?
	I'm saying when I was younger, he's just joking around here.
	I'm busting false.
	I'm just saying there's a difference between waking up with someone and having sexual intercourse and being defrauded that way versus faceless DMs, right?
	It's like I don't freak out if I'm catfish.
	What I'm saying, the logic of the two positions is self-fraud so catfish.
	You're being catfished in both scenarios.
	It's being missed.
	One has a less smaller victim.
	One has almost no victim.
	No, there's still victims involved.
	Who cares?
	Yeah, I care the same reason you do about the trans things.
	Well, no.
	Do you care?
	One sec, one second, one second.
	One truth should be considered sexual assault.
	Guy in the hat looks like he doesn't shower.
	Yes.
	These people are funny about it.
	I love it.
	Just like your logic is.
	Just like your logic is that's that sexual assault should have disclosed it.
	Totally lying.
	In order to defraud somebody for some type of sexual gratification, it's the same fucking thing.
	Tell me how it's not.
	You know what?
	I can't wait to see when it does get exposed that there are chatters, how the money and how the economy of OnlyFans stays exact fucking same.
	And that's all there is to know about it.
	Yeah, but you're not.
	Not answering to the question, though.
	How is it not fraud the same way it would be?
	It's fraud when the dude runs out and goes, I'm a dude, just suck this guy off.
	He didn't know I was.
	But would you agree?
	No celebrity has time to manage their message.
	Let me ask you if they don't have time.
	Would you agree that there's degrees of fraud?
	Waking up with someone or just being like, someone just milked me for $100.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Right.
	And that's it.
	I got to leave you in the trenches.
	I've had eight waters.
	But you still got to agree with that.
	It's so easy on my boy.
	Even if there's degrees to it, it's still all bad.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	And if it's all bad, get rid of it.
	But like, to me, I'm like, harmless victims, just a bunch of bros who got defrauded.
	It happens with crypto, it happens with fucking people.
	The fact that many of these women will sucker these guys in for their entire life savings.
	And sometimes it's not even.
	Well, most of you are going to be able to do it.
	Okay, can I ask you a question though, dude?
	Like, you're obviously an intelligent human being.
	Would you ever find yourself in a position to be sending your life savings to a woman?
	At that point, you would look at that guy's the clown in that situation.
	But I also know you're like, you're a little bit more.
	But I also understand that I was born with a symmetrical shape, right?
	That when I was in my younger years, especially, I was a very handsome guy.
	It was very easy.
	It was very easy for me to have you.
	No.
	It was very easy for me to have relationships with women.
	There's many, many men who I talk to all over the world who are intelligent, but they fall for this delusions because that a porn star wants to date them, bro.
	That's like me being like, Scarlett Johansson's been texting me all week.
	The thing is, is that through overt propagandization, people can believe many things which make no sense.
	They're dumb.
	They're dumb.
	Dumb, bro.
	Come on.
	If you heard your boy spend his life savings on an OnlyFans girl, you'd be like, bro, what are you a retailer?
	Okay, but I've seen very intelligent men.
	I've seen very intelligent men spend their entire life savings on a bad woman they end up marrying too.
	So that's it.
	The thing is, though, is that that's not their fault that that happened.
	If you're never meeting.
	I've had sex with 450 plus women and I've never had to lie once.
	You can do it without fraud.
	If you're going to pay, you might as well do it in person.
	I'm not a saint, but I'm also not a simp.
	Yo, thank you, Law Paladins.
	Good to see you.
	Thank you.
	I love when a guy brags about being sick, bro.
	I thought it was like 500 last show.
	What happened?
	He said 450 plus.
	Oh, 450 women.
	50 dudes.
	No plus.
	He said plus.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you know these guys at this point, pretty much?
	Yeah, I've seen it.
	I'm like camping with a couple of them.
	Are they weird?
	Do you find it weird that dudes tip you?
	Do I find it?
	Do you feel like a whore?
	No, I don't think it's weird for people to pay for good entertainment.
	Patronage, patronage.
	Yeah.
	Like I go watch movies.
	I don't find that funny because they're getting entertained.
	Yeah, dude.
	So there's going to be types of entertainment which are terrible for you.
	Like, for instance, if we had a gladiatorial ring where dudes had fucking gladiuses where they hacked each other to pieces, I'm sure that that would be entertaining, but it would also be barbaric, brutal.
	It'd be bad for you to watch it.
	It wouldn't be good for society to have it.
	I missed those things.
	It would lead to mass exploitation.
	It would lead to probably a new form of slavery.
	It would be fucking off.
	What are the bad points?
	I feel like.
	Well done. Well done.
	The trolling almost got me a little drop.
	If you were in charge of the country, it would just be a little bit fucking boring.
	You know?
	You would probably cancel UFC.
	I'm a commercial litigation lawyer.
	Hearing these guys' view on commercial fraud has me very curious how by the books their coom operation is run.
	I assume your counsel is blowing up your phone Lamau.
	Yes, my lawyer's texting me right now.
	What I almost cool under sexual ungender.
	There's like if it could be a clash class action lawsuit.
	Coombing, gooning.
	It's all.
	Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you.
	Like, if they get clipped, fine.
	But like, I don't feel for these.
	These aren't victims to me.
	To me.
	Of all the shit that happens in the world, a bunch of dudes being scammed out of a bunch of money over like them thinking they're dating fucking Skybrie.
	Like, bro, there's no bigger fish to front.
	There's a documentary coming out.
	They say it's going on Hulu.
	Maybe not.
	I hope it is.
	But anyways, it's called Simps, actually.
	Are you going to be on the front cover?
	Wow.
	That's you, my man.
	I think they reached out to us.
	I bet you did.
	Yo, Kaka.
	Hey, fellas, great episode.
	So far, I like the strong difference in ideas.
	Robust arguments on both sides.
	Funny too.
	Andrew's solid logic.
	Firing on all cylinders.
	He's complimenting you, Kirill.
	That's why I just fistbounded him.
	I said early boxy.
	Firing on all cylinders.
	Well, the viewership's going to get some of that tip because I'm mentioned.
	No.
	I'm a Jew.
	Come on, bro.
	Hey, what the fuck?
	You said it.
	Don't say that shit.
	You said it.
	So disavow.
	What their docs about is they brought up all these guys in cases.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Go ahead.
	Where they're spending more than 80% of their income on OnlyFans.
	And I think that's not the girls' problem.
	These guys are fucking idiots.
	If you are living in your mom's basement making $40K, you're spending $35 on a F. Sorry, what is wrong with this one?
	You could spend it on repackaged cheap Chinese shirts from assholes lived forever.
	This is great too.
	I'm going to pop you a new guinea.
	That was good.
	So I just want to make sure.
	I just want to make sure that what you're saying, the entailment of this is that taking advantage of low IQ or stupid people's fine.
	Thank you.
	That's the entailment.
	I'm saying these guys got to figure this out.
	It is.
	Yes, I agree with you.
	Yeah.
	I think it's totally okay to take advantage of that.
	You know, maybe move out of mom's basement and all the sky brief.
	And that's why we always do have the religious, the moral high ground, because we can always make the definitive statement.
	No, that's not okay for you to be a fucking piece of shit and take advantage of people.
	But doesn't religion.
	Just because they're not that smart.
	But doesn't religion generally take advantage of simple-minded people?
	No, considering the smartest people that I've ever met are religious.
	They're the dumbest or not.
	Just saying.
	I mean, I'm just saying there's just hard, like, I don't want to talk religion because we won't convince each other, right?
	Like, there's no argument here.
	And there's no reason to.
	I don't even use religious arguments.
	But what I do do is explain.
	I'm going to express that there's no Christian faith, nor Jewish faith, by the way, that I'm aware of, that would ever say that it was okay to take advantage of men or women because of a low IQ.
	That'd be like me saying, oh, yeah, you met Jews.
	I fucked her.
	You know why?
	Let's not.
	Have you met my people?
	No, We literally would take advantage of anyone for a dollar.
	I just wanted, hey.
	Let's not go there.
	I just wanted to bring it out.
	But anyway, so back to this, back to this.
	That would be like me saying, yeah, I take advantage of low IQ women and have sex with them.
	I enjoy watching Andrew verbally slaughter fools like you on this podcast.
	It's more exciting than someone living's fakery.
	You made a bad assumption.
	Paying for it once doesn't mean you always pay.
	Right.
	Thank you, Lowell.
	So the entailment here, imagine if I said, yeah, I only fuck low IQ women who are stupid that I can take advantage of.
	Would you say that that was immoral?
	I see what you're saying, and I don't like the way you're comparing.
	Yes, that's nice.
	Would you say that's immoral?
	No, because I don't like the way you're comparing.
	Yeah, would you say it's immoral, though?
	I don't like the way you're comparing it.
	I don't like the way you're not answering.
	Would you say that's immoral?
	If you only fuck stupid girls?
	I only fuck stupid girls who are low IQ.
	But you know what?
	They love it.
	They love it.
	That's all I can do.
	They think it's great.
	It's fantastic.
	Wait, That's all you can do.
	Okay, there's a difference between stupid people and what I do.
	It's immoral to do that.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Is it immoral to only fuck?
	How stupid are we talking?
	Just under average IQ?
	If they're mentally handy, that's not immoral.
	I donate to whatever, but I would not pay to watch the My Little Pony movie.
	Good entertainment has a value, quality, education.
	Lint roll for the win.
	Okay, so real question.
	If we're excluding people who have actual mental deficiencies, do you know what the mental illness rate is in women?
	I'm talking, you're saying just dumb.
	Like, just dumb.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's nothing wrong with fucking a dumb girl.
	There's nothing wrong with fucking a dumb guy.
	Yeah, so that's not taking advantage of them.
	But you're dumb.
	So your idea is here that if you have a low IQ, right?
	I'm not IQ testing these girls.
	Yeah, I get it, but you can make specific exploitative systems which go towards people who have lower IQs, which are exploitative systems.
	This entire country is founded on taking advantage of dumb people.
	That's all we do.
	That's literally all we do.
	Even if that was true, why would it have sex with them?
	Even if that was true, why would it be right?
	Because not everything is like right.
	You can have wrong things in the world.
	You can have wrong things in the world.
	And they shouldn't.
	You should be correcting wrong things in the world, right?
	You shouldn't be assisting them.
	You're not like, oh, we got a fire and it's burning everything down.
	Let's go pour gasoline on it.
	That's fucking insane.
	So then dumb people shouldn't fuck.
	No, what I'm saying is that you should not create systems which take advantage of people the same way that if I said, look, I only go for like half-retarded chicks and take advantage of people.
	You would be like, that's horrible.
	I've never heard anyone say that.
	I only exploit prostitutes that are addicted to heroin.
	But it's not immoral because reasons.
	Yeah, yeah, I mean, sure, they have tons of addiction to the people.
	Like, by the way, many of you.
	Send me a DM.
	Oh, sick fuck.
	How's he a sick fuck?
	He goes after heroin addicts.
	No, bro.
	He's got fucked up.
	Yeah, that's the fucking thing.
	The girls who go on your podcast, I've listened to many of your interviews, they talk about all of the drugs that they've abused.
	They talk about the drug issues that they've had, how it's rampant in that industry.
	They talk about it many, many times.
	Many other women, though.
	Yeah, but drugs.
	Not as many as other women.
	Sure.
	But the generates too.
	Sex work is such a problem.
	Robert Tanner donated $100.
	These two individuals have what's called cognitive dissonance.
	Andrew and Brian, can you please explain what that it is to them?
	Slavery is an example.
	What does that mean?
	Cognitive dissonance just means that you have a position which is untenable, but you refuse to abandon it because you're emotionally invested in it.
	And once you have to focus on it, it's very uncomfortable.
	Oh, I'm getting very uncomfortable.
	Thank you, Rob.
	No, I think we're awesome.
	But I think you're doing a lot of Tanner, semi-semiable phrases about the same thing.
	Like, degrees of fraud are not the same thing as fraud, fraud.
	Thank you.
	Right?
	So I don't really take the seed, but I'm only, I conceded that point.
	Right.
	And dude.
	And to the concession to the point, though, if I say there's stealing $100 million is a way worse form of fraud than $100, I'm still going to say stealing the $100 is fucking wrong and needs to be outlawed, just like the $100 million, right?
	Yeah.
	Am I wrong?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Well, then I don't know what your idea is.
	But my argument is I don't care about those people.
	Oh, you don't care.
	So that solves the problem because you don't care.
	No, because there's no problem to me.
	I'm like, men are going to get standby women because men think what they're dick.
	And I think maybe that's where we wake up happy every day.
	Make your bag, baby, let's have fun.
	You care, and that's great.
	But I don't even think these guys care as much as you do.
	If they found out, wait a second, that was Cherie Deville's chatter the whole time.
	How could you demonstrate that?
	Other than I just feel like.
	I can't wait to see what happens because I don't think anyone's going to give a shit on it.
	Why are they giving millions to AI?
	That's fucking crazy to me.
	So again, you can take what is called the loneliness epidemic, which is going on inside of the United States and most Western nations called herbivorism in Japan.
	This started a long, long time ago.
	That yes, men who have a primary edict of reproduction, okay?
	It's called herbivorism in the Japanese.
	Yeah, they call them herbivores.
	It starts.
	They're vegetars.
	Isn't that a vegan?
	It's like an animal.
	They're not calling him that there for...
	Is that a version of Soy Boy?
	Yeah, it's their version.
	No, it's just their version of MGTOW.
	They checked out.
	Okay, right?
	They're done.
	They're done with women.
	They're done with this, whatever.
	I can't wait.
	If you associate loneliness, right, we are tribal by nature.
	What you can do is you can break people's barriers down, their emotional barriers, and then take advantage of them.
	Isolation, like what we had during, and I saw your take on the lockdowns.
	I thought it was a fairly good take, right?
	Well, I think this was you, where you were like, man, I was pretty anti-vax, right?
	Was that you or was that you?
	I don't remember which one.
	I wasn't a vax guy at all.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I told you my stance on the other.
	Well, yeah, same, right?
	So the thing is, is that because of this isolation, which happened, you did see an explosion.
	Remember that Pornhub, these other places took advantage of this and said, we're going to give you free entry, right?
	We're going to give you free entry.
	These guys are lonely.
	Now they're not communicating.
	Now they're stuck at home.
	Yes, it's taking advantage of people.
	You can break down barriers.
	You can run what are called psychological operations to do this.
	They've been done for the last 200 years in the United States.
	I'm sure that you guys know that this is an actual thing.
	And yeah, you can push down barriers of men to go towards these horrific things by isolation and through propaganda.
	And that's exactly what's going on here.
	This is not good for anybody.
	It's not good for the girls.
	It's not good for the fucking John.
	It's not good for any of them.
	If you eliminated it tomorrow, you tell me what the problems would be.
	Tell me what the problems are.
	Eliminated what?
	If you eliminated corn only fans, all of it tomorrow.
	If you had a magic wand.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	I snapped it.
	It's all gone.
	What are the problems?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	So the problems would be that, like selling illegal crack or selling illegal weed or illegal shrooms is fucking people up when it's not regulated or safe or an environment.
	The problem isn't to eliminate it.
	It's how do we make it safe?
	Well, then how come when we have these nations where they do have legalized prostitution, for instance, we still see the human trafficking.
	It just reads you the stats go through the roof versus the nations which make it across the board illegal.
	The United Nations looked at this issue.
	The United Nations went, okay, the amount of trafficking that we see in nations where we have legalized prostitutions through the fucking roof.
	They even made a recommendation that such sex work is not only not liberating to women, but exploitative.
	And the reason that they thought so was because of the human trafficking and underage element, which always seemed to creep its way in.
	Pre-corn in the United States, these issues were not present.
	They were not there.
	Meaning, where was the big issue in the 1950s?
	What was it?
	What was the thing in the 1950s?
	There was no internet.
	Yeah, there was no access to the correct.
	If you lay all porn off the internet tomorrow with a snap of the finger, most people would not have access to it.
	Most people would not have even access to an ISP if the cable company didn't give them one.
	You know, it would be interesting to see what happens.
	What do you think would happen?
	We're too dumb to tell you.
	Who knows?
	Right, like negative ramifications or I don't know.
	It could go one or two ways.
	It could go one or two ways.
	I don't know what the negative ramifications are.
	It could be a great thing.
	It could be a great thing.
	It could be like the bees, dude.
	You don't want to get rid of the bees.
	Okay, so let's not get rid of porn.
	Because who knows what it could?
	There is a chance that it could go really bad.
	Okay, what does that look like?
	Now they're producing it themselves.
	It's these fucked up, unsafe places.
	They're not getting tested.
	And it's all underground.
	It's all underground.
	It's on the dark web.
	Yeah, and so it greatly reduces this issue down to a very manageable age.
	Yeah, but this issue isn't really causing that many problems.
	It's causing a lot of problems.
	I just went over many, many of them.
	You're talking about like the CP and all that shit.
	Not just that.
	That's just one aspect of it.
	He brings up the interest of fraud.
	You also have what are legalized pimps who basically will move after these underage girls to kind of groom them into that industry by the time they turn 18.
	So all the problems are a little bit different.
	So you say all those pimps will just get all their jobs.
	You just want to make it safer, make them legal pimps, and then it's fucking safe and fine.
	Well, my stance on prostitution is not the same as porn at all.
	That's because you create this differential that does not need to exist, which is if that camera is on me while I'm doing a sex act, then it's not prostitution if I'm getting paid.
	That makes no fucking sense.
	And I need you to square that for me.
	No problem.
	Totally.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Here's the difference.
	All right.
	I was actually talking to a porn star, a male porn star who's been doing it 25 years, and he's married to another female porn star.
	He lets her shoot.
	She lets him shoot.
	They're cool with it.
	He will not let her escort.
	He will not let her go in a hotel room with a guy.
	And he says, when she's shooting for browsers, it's seven, eight people on set.
	It's very professional.
	They come on hair and makeup.
	They sign all these things.
	They talk.
	There's no lists, and we're going to do this.
	They break down the scene, all this and that.
	It's scripted perfectly of how they want it.
	And then really, I've been on porn sets.
	It's not really fucking man.
	It's okay.
	Now do this, now do that.
	Great.
	All right, cool.
	Good day.
	When you're in a hotel room with this fucking freaky old man that you don't know anything about and you got to do whatever he says to get your money from him at the end of it, a whole different ballgame.
	Yeah, that really doesn't explain how the exchange of money for sex with camera and added people makes this not prostitution.
	What is your definition of prostitution?
	It would be the exchange of sexual intercourse or sexual favors for money.
	Oh, that's true.
	But we're talking about...
	Hang on, hang on.
	What would your definition of it be?
	My definition of prostitution is, look, there's two terms, right?
	When we discuss prostitution regularly, yes, it's someone selling their pussy for money or dick for money.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	But the general prostitution of like, yeah, we all kind of exploit our bodies one way or another.
	Yeah, you don't see my dick in everyday life because who wants to see it?
	But like, my body's been exploited.
	My parents' bodies have been exploited, right?
	They've sold their bodies to corporations.
	My mom's worked 50 hours.
	What does it have to do with sex?
	I'm saying it's formal prostitution.
	So her body.
	No, no, no.
	So if that was the case, then you would consider everything prostitution.
	If that's the case.
	I'm a whore right now.
	I'm here.
	I'm literally a prostitute.
	Actually, I'm not.
	I'm an intern because you won't get anything.
	And if that's the case, if that's the case, then we can't categorize anything as prostitution.
	Well, exactly, because you're brought the term check.
	Hang on.
	Right.
	If everything's prostitution, then nothing is.
	Thank you. We're good. Let's go.
	Yeah, that would just mean your definition is meaningless.
	So the definition, which would actually point to the category of the thing.
	So like if everything's a cup, nothing's a cup, right?
	We have no category for cup.
	We do need to have a category for cup.
	Otherwise, we can't identify what a cup is.
	We need to have a category for what a prostitute is.
	We can't identify what a prostitute is.
	So you're saying sex for money is prostitution?
	Yeah.
	That's kind of a money.
	Can you give me a different definition than that that makes more sense?
	I mean, I'm categorizing it differently.
	I look at prostitution as...
	What about...
	You're sneaking around trading sex for money from the...
	Does it matter if it was then?
	What is legal prostitution?
	It's who's paying you.
	Is it the corporate company or is it the guy that's fucking you in his hotel?
	That's the difference for me.
	So if you had like a ranch, like a Vegas ranch where the guy went in, negotiated the rate with your corporate pimp, and then went in the room and slept with you and then just went and paid your corporate pimp on the way out.
	That's not prostitution.
	That's something else.
	Let me ask you this.
	No, no, answer my question before you ask me one.
	Answer one.
	If you're doing it, answer it before you ask one.
	Okay, can you repeat the question?
	Yeah, the question is: so if you went in and you paid a corporate pimp who took you to the back room so you could screw the corporate prostitute, and then you left, how's that not a prostitute under your definition here?
	No, that is.
	That's a brothel.
	So then what's a brothel?
	But what is the distinction here?
	I'm confused about what the argument we're arguing.
	What I'm arguing is I want to know what a prostitute actually is and why my definition of exchanges sex or sexual favors for money.
	So let me ask you.
	What would be your better definition?
	So let me ask you this.
	Let's say my girlfriend and I started OnlyFans during the pandemic and we start fucking each other.
	Yeah.
	Are we each other's prostitutes in your eyes now because we're fucking for money?
	You would be prostitutes to the Johns who are watching.
	Sure.
	But why are we afraid of that word?
	Why can't we just call it that?
	Yeah.
	Why can't we?
	But that's what people want to call it.
	I'm fine with your definition.
	I'm fucking my girlfriend and dudes want to watch.
	That's what I'm not doing.
	This girl is not a hooker.
	She's my girlfriend.
	At the end of the day, wait, but Johns are paying you for the sex act.
	I'm fucking my girl.
	We're putting it on, and they're paying us.
	Yeah.
	Watch it.
	So Johns are paying you for a sex act, so you would be.
	If you want to call it that.
	Prostitutes, yeah.
	You really think you're not an officer.
	But why is that offensive?
	That's not offensive.
	That's what you want to call it.
	I don't care.
	I'll call it a prostitute if I'm acting like a prostitute.
	Agreed, but we need to know what that is so we can say you are.
	That's fine.
	I'll have no problem telling an OnlyFans girl that she's a prostitute.
	Great.
	Neither do I.
	So then anytime I do, the idea that any of these corn stars go fucking crazy about it, go, no, they're not.
	No, no, no, no, it comes up from a, it comes more condescending.
	Because when you think I call her a prostitute, it's the tone.
	It's the tone.
	It's the tone.
	When you think of it, whatever.
	I call my friends like, yo, look at this fucking hooker.
	Hooker or prostitute or whore even.
	You think of a girl on the street waiting for a car to drive by to fuck you.
	What do you think of that?
	That's what we all.
	That's what we all know.
	I don't think so.
	That's how we were trained.
	Do you think that that's what Muslims think?
	What do Muslims think anyway?
	Do you think?
	I'm asking you.
	Do you think that Muslims, for instance, or East Asians or hell?
	That's not my question.
	I'm asking what they would categorize as a prostitute.
	And why should we go with your definition of I don't know what it is?
	I don't even know what it is.
	What you're saying is, I don't even know what a prostitute is.
	There it is.
	You don't know?
	I think couples fucking on OnlyFans are not prostitutes.
	Yeah, but why?
	I'll tell you that.
	Why aren't they?
	Because they're not meeting a guy to fuck in their hotel for money.
	That's what I think of prostitutes.
	My definition.
	Prostitution's not a bad word to me.
	And I think you're interpreting it as a negative.
	I kind of do, yeah.
	Right?
	I don't.
	Like, it's a blunt word for what you're doing.
	But I have no problem with that word, right?
	You're still my friend, and you can be a prostitute.
	Sure.
	I could care less.
	And all the plenty of couples fucking on OnlyFans.
	I have so many friends that are prostitutes.
	All the power to them.
	Don't care.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's fine if you concede that you think that that's what a prostitute is.
	If you don't, then I need some criteria for why it's not that thing.
	I look at it like the way I see it is you hire this chick, you pay her to fuck you or do sexual acts for you, whatever blowjob, who knows?
	Yeah.
	Or maybe shove something down your dick, up your ass, whatever it may be, but you pay her to go hang out with her.
	Yeah, and unless I film it and then distribute it, and now she's not a prostitute.
	If browsers hires two girls to come on set with scripts and tests and they walk through a corporate fucking story, what if the script is happening?
	No, it's not.
	Yeah, so the script is three lines.
	Script is three lines.
	And it's filmed.
	Yeah, it's filmed.
	And we exchange the money.
	Totally different.
	Yeah, and you send it out.
	It's a completely different thing.
	Yeah, based on you just made it the fuck up.
	Let's not bring Kiki into this.
	He's saying that OnlyFans couples are prostitutes, and he lost me at that one.
	He lost me at that one.
	I'm going to let a couple chats come in.
	Just pause it temporarily to allow the convo to go.
	Sorry, that was below the threshold.
	Why are you putting this guy up?
	$10.
	He doesn't deserve the attention.
	Yeah.
	We want $100.
	We want $100.
	They're coming.
	They're coming.
	Peacecraft donated $100.
	Sorry, excuse me.
	Kim, when you close your eyes, does the world disappear?
	Object permanent not stick.
	We have got to investigate the women who fucking fucking a tard.
	Andy Ping.
	All right, what does pimping mean?
	Appreciate it.
	Just like PNG, like picture of the ticket.
	Oh, like a jpeg.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought that was like a fucking acronym.
	No, it's like a JPEG.
	Yeah, I mean, it does disappear when I close my eyes.
	So I prefer to be a sleep muscle.
	What does PNG stand for?
	Yo, JJ, thank you for the gift of 10 cents.
	That's like a pixelated something graphic.
	It stands for Portable Network Graphic.
	Great.
	I didn't know any of that.
	I designed it.
	Whatever fan donated $100.
	Yeah, thank you.
	They are arguably even more stupid than OnlyVans bimbos.
	Don't say that.
	Props to Andrew for sitting there and trying to break down simple concepts to these low IQ cucks.
	I am not saying that.
	That would be a great show, though, if you literally just sit there roasting everyone.
	By the way, that would be really funny.
	Like, I literally would pay someone to sit there and just fucking.
	These guys sending these notes in saying these fucking OnlyFans bimbos.
	You guys think they live a good life with women?
	Oh, of course.
	You think they're getting laid at all?
	Six foot seven.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Oh, bring the tips in.
	They must be, right?
	It is proven by every major institution that pornography, watching sex has the same effect as alcoholism, drug addiction on the brain.
	But we just did a shot.
	These two are no different from a push-a-dot all studies show there.
	Robert, did you send me a DM by the way?
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Robert.
	And alcohol is arguably bad.
	We can talk about that.
	No problem.
	Everything in moderation.
	So here's the thing.
	Wait, everything in moderation?
	Those three things.
	Oh, okay.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	When you're talking about the rates of damage, sure, you can make an argument that alcoholism bad.
	There's no dispute here.
	But you know what I do with alcoholics?
	I don't say you should keep fucking drinking.
	What you do is you go, hey, let's get you in rehab.
	Let's get you away from alcohol.
	Let's get you to stop doing this damaging thing.
	Your argument here, the reason it makes no sense, because you're saying the opposite.
	You're like, ah, no, keep going and fucking sucking those dicks, girl, because it makes you happy.
	And you white knight for it.
	Why are you doing it?
	That's the distinction.
	So saying to me, this idea of, but what about alcohol?
	Yeah.
	Okay, alcohol can be bad, just like porn can be bad.
	But I'm not advocating over here that we don't treat and assist alcoholics.
	You're advocating, on the other hand, there's no problem with this behavior.
	I disagree with you because the alcoholics are the porn consumers.
	The porn stars are the creators of the beer, of the vodka, of the whiskey, and no one's coming at them.
	You're coming at them.
	You're coming at the people that constantly coming at porn stars is coming at Tito's.
	Coming at alcoholics is coming at porn consumers.
	Bro.
	You have a problem with them?
	Sure.
	Dude, because they're doing it too much.
	That's ruining their life.
	Sure.
	Have you ever been at a bar late at night and you saw a bartender throw out a drunk?
	He said, You've had too many, buddy.
	That's a porn consumer, not a porn star.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	He's the distributor of the alcohol.
	He's the center point, the distribution center for the alcohol to the consumer.
	You mean the bartender?
	Yeah.
	And how many times has a bartender have you been there and he's been like, buddy, you're fucking drunk and you need to get the fuck out of here and go home and sleep it off.
	That's told somebody.
	I don't want up their only fans.
	And they say, I don't want drunks in my fucking bar.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	First of all, you want drunks in your bar if you're running a good bar.
	And the drunks are the crazy ones that think they're in a relationship with the only thing for talking them too much.
	Here's what's really interesting.
	You ever notice that bartenders mostly don't drink?
	They mostly don't drink.
	What?
	What do you mean?
	All my bartender friends are.
	Bartenders, mostly, there's been bartenders.
	Do you go to bars?
	Yeah, all the time.
	There's been study after study about this.
	Okay, they mostly don't drink.
	It's really an interesting phenomenon because they see what being a fucking drunk can do to you.
	But bartenders will still be like, look, you should not be a drunk.
	No, they're legally responsible if you get a DM.
	Well, they just don't want you to anyway because I just don't think that they're horrible people because they tend bar.
	They say, look, if you're an alcoholic, you should be getting help.
	You should not be doing that.
	There's nothing wrong with consuming a drink responsibly.
	Nothing at all.
	That's not what's going on here.
	What's going on here is you're like, look, this does an incredible amount of damage, and I just don't fucking care.
	That's the distinction.
	They don't compare.
	They don't compare because, again, the bartender.
	Why'd you just compare them?
	I'll compare if they don't compare.
	They don't compare.
	Because you didn't go with what I said.
	I said the bartender is the porn distributor, not the porn star.
	Okay, the porn distributor.
	Sorry, the bartender is.
	Why don't you run for office and change some shit?
	Because it seems like you guys just complain.
	Yeah, I mean, that's not an argument.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just generally asking you, you're an intelligent man.
	We wake up high.
	I don't care.
	No, I don't want to get shot.
	Brian seems like shot.
	The chances are literally easy.
	Fuck.
	What am I pissed about today?
	And I just think life is so much better when life is good.
	Live and let live.
	You want to suck a dick, suck it.
	You want to do this?
	Do that.
	Why do you think that being chill about being a degenerate makes you less of a degenerate?
	Like, this has always been amazing to me when people are like, look, man, the forest is burning down.
	Things are going to shit.
	But man, I'm just chilling, smoking a blunt.
	What are you so mad about?
	Because I can't do anything about it.
	So I'm going to say that.
	Brendan Shob repeat the question back before answering.
	I don't think even Shob SaiQ is this low.
	Brendan Schaub.
	Who's that?
	Who's fucking like a comedian?
	No, I know what Brandon Schaub is, but who's the guy?
	Who's that?
	Probably me.
	Because Brandon Schaub is jacked.
	I'm kind of skinny.
	I think maybe it's you.
	You look maybe a little.
	Okay, maybe.
	He's a stud.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	So anyway, just saying, like, yeah, just being like, well, because I'm really chill about the fact that everything is burning down and you're saying we should probably do something about it.
	I don't think that that's a really good argument.
	I just think you're going out the wrong things.
	I also think they're just like care too much.
	You care too much about it.
	There is a thing is like caring too much.
	Because you're going to be dead in 50 years, bro.
	Who gives a fuck if a bunch of people are having sex?
	Because I'm having fun.
	You just got to get yours and go.
	You're going to make it.
	Fuck everybody else.
	You're going to make it to 98.
	You did when we all did.
	You're going to have a heart attack.
	You're not selfish at all.
	Do you think you're selfish at all?
	Of course.
	Chief of sinners.
	You got to relax.
	I'm not perfect at all.
	Let me take you to a point that does a sex party with me.
	But it's also bad to say.
	Well, Thunderscore PSA donated $100.
	I have a chance.
	Raised her well.
	She is a wonderful person.
	Engaged now and knows only fans in her past or future.
	I could not be more proud as a father.
	Educate.
	Do not promote horrid behavior.
	Good job, Rath.
	But Jane is like, great job.
	There's such a thing, right?
	It's justified in righteous anger.
	When things get so fucking out of hand and people are just like, yeah, look, fuck it.
	Let this horrible things that are happening just kind of, just take it.
	And it's like, you know what ends up happening?
	What ends up happening is riots in the UK as people lose their fucking minds because they go to a boiling point.
	Guys like me, we're the stopgap.
	We're the ones who are like, before we get to this crazy boiling point, let's interject some logic and reason.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I hang out with porn stars, right?
	How annoying would I be if every minute I preached to them about how they're degenerates and need to find God and/or whatever and change their job, right?
	I'm not here to judge you, right?
	Unless you're doing something extremely fucked up, like we discuss CP, whatever, any of that shit.
	You have a vested interest in capitalizing on it.
	I have a vested interest in capitalizing on what?
	Hanging out with hotels.
	Hanging out on extreme degeneracy, right?
	Like that's that's what your interest is.
	This is it, too.
	You guys capitalize on that too.
	The entirety of the entirety.
	Yeah, the opposite.
	The opposite.
	But you do have a vested interest in stopping it.
	Right, but you bring them on.
	As if you're going to change them.
	Do you think that I have not gotten hundreds of DMs from different women who say, man, thank you so much?
	That actually helped a lot.
	Because I have.
	Bro, that's not a brag.
	Like, if you're being like, I got women DMing me, how good of a guy I am.
	Like, wow.
	They're not DMing me pictures of their pussy, dude.
	They're DMing me, thank you for the conversation.
	Oh, wow.
	Man, I really went.
	Just some fucking degenerate, exploitative shit right there.
	I just don't brag about the people that DM me.
	You're married.
	Uh-huh.
	Brian.
	What's up?
	Have you slept with girls that have OnlyFans?
	Never.
	Really?
	Never slept with a girl who has an OnlyFans.
	You wouldn't?
	No.
	I mean, I think I've said before at this point, it's pretty much a strong no.
	I have made previous statements because people dig it up and be like, well, you said this previously.
	So what I have said previously is, and this is, I don't know, the last time I said this, but so long as she hasn't done boy-girl content.
	But then I started learning more about the nature of the content.
	But not to date to sleep with.
	I'm talking.
	Oh, even if a girl's done any sort of like content with another man, I don't care how attractive she is.
	I would not have to do it.
	Is it because it's out there?
	Or do you care if she fucked other men as long as it's not documented?
	Do you want a virgin or are you okay with?
	I'll date a woman who's not a virgin, but there is an issue if she's done content that's out of control.
	So that's what I'm asking.
	You're okay with her having to dance.
	So, no, I've never slept or hooked up or dated with people.
	It's a lot harder these days to meet a girl not a lot.
	Yeah, well, I don't date content.
	I don't date content creators.
	Something I'm trying to help.
	You've been hanging out on Andrew too much.
	It's a lot of fun.
	No, I date like normal quote-unquote civilians.
	Girls who have sex for free.
	Well, so also they're fucking interns in this prostitution.
	I don't even think that's true.
	The difference is also think that's bad.
	I don't even have sex for free.
	Girls who are having sex outside of wedlock.
	But you did that.
	So if I murdered people and then told you murdering people was bad, murdering people would still be bad even if I did.
	I agree, but I'd be like, I don't want to hear it from you.
	It's like a fat person telling me to lose weight.
	Would he be wrong?
	Would I be wrong?
	No, but I want to hear it from you.
	It doesn't matter what you want to hear.
	What matters is what is true.
	It's the same the Nazis used and all those that looked away when millions are killed.
	Also, Brian, I messaged our next Twitter.
	He has shatters, Robert.
	Yeah, I mean, really quickly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	OnlyFans is a slippery slope to fucking out.
	By the way, you would think.
	You would think for me.
	Isn't that what your boy just said?
	It's the same Nazi attitude.
	I don't agree with that.
	I don't even understand what the concept is.
	That's the same.
	That's like the idea here.
	First of all, he's Jewish.
	I think some of the best advocates against and who are the most persuasive against OnlyFans were women who were on OnlyFans.
	Some of the most persuasive advocates against prostitution were women who were prostitutes.
	So guess who's the best advocates against Starbucks?
	Former employees, bro.
	It's like in a shitty, in every industry, you're going to have people who come out.
	Yeah, but the reason they're convincing is because they can shed light on things that the public does not know about.
	To say, though, that we can't get great insight about serial killers from serial killers is insane to say, because, Andrew, you had sex before marriage, that somehow that means you can't talk about why you shouldn't have sex outside of marriage.
	That's an insane take that makes no sense.
	But why can't you have sex before marriage?
	What is getting, can you imagine buying a car without test driving it?
	Well, so that's insane, bro.
	You're not insane.
	I'd be test driving a pussy.
	I'm test driving.
	Guess what?
	If sex doesn't work, for most of human history, the reason that men wanted women who had a low body count, no body count, in fact, virgins, is because it assured paternity, right?
	You couldn't test drive it because I didn't leave my siblings.
	You didn't need, you didn't need to test drive it because, as it turns out, basically, all dicks fit into all pussies.
	Isn't that crazy?
	No, there's a thing called sexual chemistry, bro.
	I've had plenty of girls that I just don't vibe with sexually that I actually loved.
	And then I'm like, I'm trying to find a girl that hits all the buttons.
	Yeah, but you know what's really funny about that, right?
	If you marry as a virgin and you are a virgin, right?
	Your comparison level goes way down.
	What's your comparison for what bad sex even is?
	Well, that's the worst example of being like, I like vanilla ice cream because I've never tried any of the other flavors.
	If every other form of ice cream was fucking poisoned, it would be a great example.
	What's poisonous about having sex and finding out what you like sexually?
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I don't mean to shotgun them.
	Let me ask you one point at a time.
	Don't shotgun the points.
	One at a time.
	Let me have a question for you.
	And you can hold the question.
	I'll answer it.
	All right.
	Well, there's two of you yelling at me, right?
	I haven't said shit in months.
	Don't cry.
	I'm trying not to.
	You spoke.
	So anyway, back to this.
	Yes, here's what we see with people who are virgins who get married.
	It lasts way longer than people who aren't virgins who get married.
	And their sexual satisfaction rates that they report are much higher.
	The reason for this, the scientific reason for this, is because if you have a sample size which is lower, there's nothing to compare it to.
	Right, but that's all you know.
	That is the most amazing sex they could ever have from their perspective.
	If that's good for society, great.
	Fine.
	But science doesn't really.
	I'm going to be a shitty guy.
	If he never meets other parents, he'll think I'm a good person.
	I'm true.
	But the best point you two have made was if you make something illegally, you make it more enticing autobar necks.
	I would be a safer driver knowing that it's up to my judgment.
	Thank you, Alex.
	Let's just say that's coming in.
	There's another one coming in, and I'll pause it for a few minutes to let you guys.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Get through to me.
	Thank you, Alex.
	We're turning some of your fans.
	You see that?
	Appreciate it, Alex.
	We have another one coming in from Sons of Liberty.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	You two and I are different men to the core.
	Seems your morality rests on the seven deadly.
	Some men view sex as sacred and porn as degeneracy.
	The hat guy's dad was harsh and rarely said he loved him.
	Wait, where'd that come?
	That's a great video.
	I don't care.
	My dad loves me.
	I'm close to my dad.
	My dad loves me too.
	Shout out to Tom Power.
	Thank you, Sons of Liberty.
	I'm going to pause the TTS temporarily just so you guys can get it.
	I think my argument to you is, dude, while sure, you couldn't have all the scientific data to back that up, but I think being a human being to me is like, I don't want to commit to something without knowing what's out there, right?
	Like, I don't eat only one type of food.
	I explore it all.
	Should I like, should I don't like.
	Guess what?
	I like fucking girls in the butt.
	If I don't know my girl likes it in the butt, that's never going to work.
	Guess what?
	If my girl is vegan, we're never going to work either, right?
	So there's certain things I need to know before I go, you're my girl forever.
	Like you marry forever, right?
	So if your kid doesn't, or if your woman doesn't have kids, you wouldn't know if you wanted to have kids with her.
	I'm sorry, if your woman didn't have kids, you wouldn't know if you wanted to have kids with her.
	If your woman didn't have kids, you wouldn't know if you wanted to have kids with her.
	Is that correct?
	If I don't have kids with her?
	Yes.
	And if she doesn't have kids, you would have nothing to sample it against.
	So then why would you have kids with her?
	I think that's a terrible way to look at her.
	I don't understand that argument.
	I just don't want to.
	So let's try this again.
	Yeah, explain it to me.
	It's just confusing me.
	You say, I must fuck you to know if we're sexually compatible and we have blah, Well, then why shouldn't you go with a chick who has kids?
	That way you can make sure she's a good mother.
	No, because I don't need a mother.
	I'm not looking for a mother.
	But a good mother for your kids.
	Yeah, but I find that in her other personality types.
	Oh, wait.
	Wait, you mean you could know that someone's like, you have sex?
	Wait, wait, so much my girlfriend's like, you baby, look at me.
	And you can't know if she's going to be a good mother for your kids unless she already has kids.
	Yeah, I can.
	How?
	Because she can take care of herself, her life, everything around her.
	That doesn't matter.
	It doesn't prove that she would be a good mother any more than it would prove.
	Right.
	First of all, I don't believe for a second, for a second, that you don't know if you have sexual chemistry with a woman until you've slept with her.
	Because the reason you want to sleep with her is because you have sexual kids.
	No, the one I sleep with her is because I'm horny, dude.
	Have you met?
	That's a great idea.
	I can't just fuck everything you see.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	That's the idea.
	I'm gorgeous like you, dude.
	That's okay.
	So if you see it, fuck it.
	If I drink six shots of tequila, I'll literally sleep with anyone with a heartbeat at the end of the night, right?
	It's better than myself.
	So what I'm saying is, if you can create indicators for why a woman X would be a great mother, even if she doesn't have kids, comparisons.
	You look at her girl's bananas?
	Let me finish.
	You can find indicators for sexual compatibility outside of sex.
	That argument makes no sense.
	What?
	What are the sexual indicators until I get to the bottom?
	Fuck you.
	Well, let's start with this.
	Let's start with the idea that if you have nothing to compare it to, you're a virgin, she's a virgin, it's going to be the best sex you ever had.
	No matter what, it's the only sex she has.
	It's the worst sex.
	Hang on, Neon.
	Hang on.
	You can't possibly.
	I love you, but you can't be defending being a virgin.
	First, let's move on to the next.
	I'll defend being a virgin, too.
	Yeah, not only that, but let's move on.
	You're not.
	Let's move on to the next idea.
	Some of these comments.
	Next idea.
	Oh, wait.
	Really, really hot, really, really hot woman who I'm dating right now, who I'm sexually charged up about.
	I'm just certain that we're not going to have any sexual chemistry at all, even though people who've waited to have sex for months with each other say it's some of the best sex that they've ever had because they waited.
	Right, and then sometimes, dude, I've met with girls that I thought were going to be great in bed, and they're not.
	And then you go, you know what?
	I need those pieces in my life, so I'm sorry.
	Like, wait, can't you teach a girl?
	You can't teach a girl how to be good in bed.
	You teach a girl.
	There's that six.
	How to suck a dick?
	What am I gay?
	That you have the best sex.
	I would have to be gay.
	This is how you suck it, girl.
	No, you don't show her.
	We all have that girl that we don't have to make her practice.
	No, no, no.
	On who?
	You.
	Hey, back when you were doing that.
	What do you mean?
	You were.
	I prefer someone who shows up.
	I don't know how to play the game.
	Did a woman get really, really good at having sex by having less or more sex?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So they had more sex.
	Why can't they just have the more sex with you?
	Because I suck at sex and I'm waiting for you to show up already good with guys that are better than me, bro.
	No, wait, you need guys to fuck your chick to make sure that she's good enough.
	Before me, before me.
	Okay, then.
	You don't go to the Olympics for training four years.
	Yeah.
	I need men to fuck my chick so that she gets good enough to have sex with me.
	That's your position.
	Yes.
	No, I don't.
	Wild.
	I don't separate them.
	Wild position.
	Okay.
	But hold on, hold on.
	Before I. Can I say one thing?
	Before I.
	But the idea of sheltering someone so they think you're good is if you relay that to any other thing.
	Yeah, dude.
	Yeah, that's really fucking okay.
	I shelter my kids from alcohol.
	Wait, wait, I shelter my kids from alcohol.
	That's bad parenting.
	What country is it, South Korea or North Korea, where they don't let you watch TV outside to see how good the world is so their shitty lives don't look as bad?
	That's a fucking awful.
	That's an extraordinary thing.
	That's what you're doing with your wife.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	That's an extraordinary example.
	But I would say this.
	That's what he's doing with your kids.
	There's all sorts of public smut.
	You don't know how bad the other dicks are, wait your whole life to fuck me, and you'll probably like it.
	There's just a lot of people who are.
	There's so much in the way of propaganda that if you remove from TV, it would be perfectly acceptable for both you and I. Not only that, you regulate this type of shit constantly, constantly in your daily life.
	You don't even think twice about it.
	Non-stop all the fucking time.
	Why do you got locks on your door?
	Why?
	Why if shit you don't want to steal?
	Yeah, I just got shit in there.
	Because I've been using my dick pump, my dick game so good.
	Pretty girls are coming back home.
	So wait, so you make the assumption.
	You make the assumption bad thing could happen, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so you have a lock, you put the fucking lock on the door just in case bad things happen.
	So you can make mitigation, mitigation from risk of bad thing happening.
	So if you were to go to your kid, for instance, and say, see this alcohol, right?
	Have a drink at 10, would they be more or less likely to become addicted to alcohol?
	More likely.
	More likely.
	So keeping that away from them, keeping that experience from them is a fucking good thing.
	Your example here is to say, no, keeping the experience away from them, you're sheltering them and doing something evil.
	No, the opposite is true.
	But your kids will find it anyways.
	But you're keeping it away from.
	But what does that mean?
	Your kids will find it.
	No, they won't necessarily fucking drink.
	I've drank poor people at 14.
	These porn girls are Mormons, okay?
	And they were sheltered their whole lives.
	They went to all girls school.
	They weren't allowed to talk to boys.
	And then when they turn 18, they say, now I want to get fucked by eight dicks in my mouth, like you said.
	Yeah, here's what's really funny.
	Considering that the sample size...
	Too much sheltering can fuck someone up.
	Considering that the sample size of the United States mostly identifies as Christian, it wouldn't surprise me if most people who were raised Christian end up in OnlyFans because it's a much larger sample size.
	No, I'm talking about much larger sample size.
	The extremists, the extremists that really bro, if you say most of the fucking OnlyFans chicks in Utah are Mormons, that makes total sense because most of the people in fucking Utah are Mormon.
	Yeah.
	That's why that makes sense.
	But why is there so many of those in the world?
	That doesn't mean Mormonism equals porn.
	I don't see other.
	That's not what that means.
	It means that if you fucking shelter someone too much, rebels are going to break out.
	No, it doesn't mean that.
	It just means that if your sample size is almost 100% of this, that if any deviation of this is this other thing, becomes this other thing, that was the whole sample size to pull from.
	It doesn't mean being this leads to that.
	That would be an insane correlation.
	Nutty correlation.
	No, I'm not saying every time.
	I'm getting the destiny L right now.
	I keep saying every time.
	I'm saying I've met girls that weren't allowed to speak to a boy till they're 18, and now they're getting gangbanged.
	Yeah, hey.
	What's that say?
	I would also say a lot of this is.
	Just in your shelter, shelter, shelter life, they're going to break free and they're going to go the opposite direction.
	That's what you want.
	Here, let me just strap them.
	Telling them they can't fucking get them.
	Tell them 24 hours.
	Otherwise, you're sheltered.
	You're going to tell your daughter that she can't fuck till marriage, right?
	I'm going to tell her that she would have the best results in her life not to, yes.
	That's insane.
	Based on your son, your son, too?
	Yeah, of course.
	Your son, that's fucking insane.
	Girl, I get it.
	You want to protect her from bad guys out there?
	Cool.
	That's fine.
	That's your view.
	Yeah.
	But a dude?
	Yeah.
	At 18?
	Yeah.
	Who's going to have crazy?
	Cancun on spring break?
	Yeah.
	You better not fuck anyone's son.
	Yeah, it's going to be really bad for you.
	You know who won't get any STDs?
	Crazy.
	Is he going to get STDs?
	You could get STDs from the bottom.
	He's going to get STDs if he's in Cancun.
	Everyone's fucking by him.
	It's a safe dice roll for me.
	You've already got him.
	What do you mean?
	Bro, STDs are like swinging your bills and I'm good, baby.
	I'm back and block.
	Yeah, two antibiotic pills later.
	For your fucking golden.
	Yeah.
	I have to take two pills.
	I have to fuck all the women I did before marriage.
	It's like drinking tequila.
	If I wake up, pop two Advil, I'm fine.
	So yeah, again, so this argument makes no sense.
	From your worldview, then you should have a 13-year-old son, tape his fucking face to the computer and play porn for 24 hours.
	No, no, no.
	He needs to know every single type or he will never know what he's missing out on.
	I just think, right?
	That's honest.
	I think he has the following straight.
	That's what it's like.
	I think you guys are arguing extremes here.
	I'm with the, hey.
	I don't care that porn exists.
	I'm not shoving it in front of anyone's face, but I could give a fuck less that it's out there.
	It's literally doing no harm.
	It's clearly doing a lot of harm, and I showed you all the different harm that it does.
	I mean, you're a good talker, dude, and that's great.
	But at the end of the day, I'm not taking advice from a guy who has an invisible friend in the sky.
	That's it.
	And you're a scientist.
	Don't take advice from a guy who says you got fucked dead bodies.
	Wait, please.
	Don't take no advice.
	Yes, Andrew is.
	He's an Orthodox Christian, but he's making secular arguments.
	He's not harming.
	I've never made a single religious argument.
	He's not making religious arguments.
	I think he's a fucking marriage.
	So just so you know.
	But you're saying because I'm a degenerate.
	Let me explain.
	No, I'm not you.
	You never said because you're a degenerate person and he's religious.
	Never said because you're degenerate, you're wrong, or your arguments are wrong.
	Said your arguments are wrong because your arguments are wrong.
	You just also happen to be a degenerate.
	Me, my arguments are right, and I happen to be a Christian, but I'm not making Christian arguments.
	Your arguments are right because you're saying so, dude.
	Because if your arguments were right, you'd be in charge of this fucking country if you think that you're like all-knowing.
	You saying in the world.
	I don't say I'm all-knowing.
	So then where your arguments are just like your arguments, and I still am not all-knowing.
	What arguments did you make?
	You can't prove to me.
	This whole thing, the whole thing, too, this is fallacious thinking.
	And let me explain the fallacy that you're engaging in.
	The fallacious way that you're thinking right now is to say it's called a genetic fallacy.
	Because you are this, everything you say is wrong.
	That's fucking, that's fallacious thinking.
	It's called the genetic fallacy.
	Because you engage in porn, I'm not going to listen to what you say about, I don't know, brushing your teeth on Thursday because you're in porn.
	Does that even make sense?
	I feel like that's how you feel.
	That's literally, I feel how you feel.
	Yeah, that is yours.
	You wouldn't talk to me.
	I feel like that's how you feel.
	That's you.
	Yes, that's exactly what you're saying.
	I'm taking it to demonstrate that that's what I do.
	I'm just taking a guess.
	That you wouldn't hang out with a porn star, right?
	I can deduce that you wouldn't hang out with a porn star.
	Bro.
	When it comes to this, if a person is engaging in a lifestyle like that, of course I will talk to them.
	I'll engage with them.
	But of course, I'm not going to engage in anything which would lead me towards degeneracy.
	So yes, I distance myself from people who do acts that I think are bad.
	Yes, I do that.
	Hey, here's what I think, okay?
	I think 99%, maybe not you, but Brian, I think too.
	99% of all these, the girls are whores, fuck these women, all these guys commenting fucking OnlyFans.
	You haven't said that.
	Those guys, but these people that hate on girls doing OnlyFans and stuff, if they were at a party and one of the fucking hottest ones walked up to them and said, you're cute.
	Let me suck your dick in the bathroom.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Fuck yeah.
	I think you're right.
	Some of them would.
	Most 99%.
	I'm not sure how that's going to be.
	I know that.
	I know that.
	That's the whole point for you.
	It's the guys that get no pussy that are hating on these girls.
	Fuck them, fuck them.
	If this girl turns around and says, let me suck your dick in the bathroom, they're unsipping their pants faster than anyone else.
	Wait a second.
	100 fucking percent.
	Now we got to untangle these two arguments.
	And I think you would too.
	So argument with you.
	You would too.
	I think you would do it with a guy and an animal, a barnyard animal.
	Literally.
	I think you'd fuck a sheep.
	That's fucked up.
	Well, I mean, if you just want to make allegations, we'll just make allegations, right?
	Or you can keep it to the domain of logic.
	So if you keep it to the domain of logic, we'll entangle your two arguments.
	I agree with the first one.
	Yes, think some of the men who cap on these OnlyFans girls and shit like that definitely would sleep with some of them.
	Fucking right.
	But when you say all of them would do that, not even fucking close.
	I said 99% of them.
	They would, not even close.
	And you could never demonstrate it in a million years.
	We could, actually, because I've seen social experiments where they go up to these guys that hate on these people.
	And individuals work with them, and the guys flip a fucking switch right away.
	Show them.
	It's easy to hate on.
	There's no social experiment that shows that.
	Fuck LeBron.
	He's the worst.
	No, he's not.
	You're hating on someone that is greater than you and fuck him, Jordan.
	Fuck.
	Who says fuck LeBron?
	Let me ask you a question.
	Now, fuck this hot girl.
	Fuck Sky Reed.
	You would do anything to fucking get at it.
	Yeah, let me ask you this.
	To smell her hair.
	So let me ask you this then.
	And we'll just see how each one of us kind of has the right way of thinking about this.
	Let's say a girl walks over to a guy.
	She's really, really hot.
	And she says, Hey, man, okay, I have fucked 1,000 men, and I want you to be 1,001.
	Right next to her is a girl who's equally hot, and she says, I fucked no men.
	I want you to be the first one.
	Which one is he fucking?
	Yeah, no.
	Let him answer.
	Which one does he fuck?
	Can I answer?
	Which one does he let him answer?
	Which one does he fuck?
	But if you're picking a kickball team, which one does he fuck?
	I like the question.
	Okay, so if each of them were presented separately, he's doing both.
	No, they're presented.
	With those two options together, I would disagree with Carol.
	I like the one that hasn't had as many, personally, but I'm fucking bothering you.
	Let me ask a question.
	If you argue, if you're trying to get any argument or something, if you're trying to be a fucking virgin, he's going to get a smoke.
	Crazy.
	How long does this go?
	Ryan, would you want your son to be a virgin at marriage?
	Well, I want my son to be a person.
	You don't really chime in on this podcast.
	Yeah, like you were like hyping this out.
	I tried to get a couple words in.
	You're the one who's yelling at people usually.
	Thank God.
	Hey, you know what?
	Thank his God that I'm not his son.
	Because sex is fucking cool and it's fucking awesome and it's some of the best shit of my life.
	I actually don't think I would have any issues if my son waited until marriage.
	I also wouldn't care.
	I don't care if I wouldn't want to think about my son's dick.
	It's not thinking about your son's dick.
	Right.
	At the end of the day, if my son wants to fuck at 15 or at 37, I'll be like, that's your fucking life, dude.
	Your body, your choice.
	Well, we can get about abortion if you want to, but all day.
	So do you see the traffic getting up here?
	Andrew is.
	Did we rop it?
	Let's rop it.
	We got, how about we'll do another?
	Let me see how long we've been going here.
	212, it says.
	Anything over two hours and 30, I charge $100.
	You don't have to charge the Tesla.
	Oh my God.
	I got to get home.
	I know.
	Do you understand?
	But I also will say this.
	I will pay you one compliment, and I said it to him in the car.
	Very, very crazy that you get girls to drive two hours, get berated, and drive home for two hours.
	Because you truly do feel like a little bit of a prostitute doing that run.
	The driving to you to get abused and then drive home.
	I could have moved this to LA two years ago.
	Yeah, you're real.
	You're kind of a real genius piece of shit.
	You're like, I'm yeah, because you're like, I'm going to give them the after I berate them, they still have a two-hour drive home to decompress.
	I don't really think I berate them all that much.
	I don't know.
	I'm pretty reasonable.
	I mean, from what I saw now, you're very quiet.
	I match energy.
	If somebody's being polite and conducting themselves properly, I tend to remain.
	Do you watch porn?
	Sure, yeah, occasionally.
	I'm just asking.
	Although, pretty rarely.
	Very rarely.
	Why?
	Do you have a girl?
	I can't speak about my relationship status.
	Okay, so you're just like the OnlyFans girls.
	You lie about who you're with.
	I don't lie.
	So you have or you don't have?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	I can't speak about it for security safety reasons.
	Why?
	Oh, people want to kill your boyfriend?
	Huh?
	I'm kidding.
	She dies.
	Death death threat, dude.
	You have death threats?
	But don't you think that's a good idea?
	Also, also, given the nature of my show, like, because also I don't date content creators.
	I don't date these OSs.
	She's a pedestrian.
	Normal girls.
	So I'm not going to like a normal girl who's got a normal job.
	There's no, I could be dating a girl for two years.
	Nobody in my audience knows about it.
	They would never know.
	I keep it very private.
	Like with my family, for example, I'm not bringing my family into this.
	Shout out to Tom.
	I do want to ask you guys, I do want to ask you guys a question, though.
	I want to ask you guys a question.
	Andrew kind of brought it up.
	But so for you guys specifically, and I would like an answer from the both of you, for you guys specifically individually, would you prefer to date a woman's same attractiveness, date a woman who's a virgin, or date a woman who slept with a thousand men previously?
	Depends how I'm feeling that day.
	Hold on.
	This is to you want me to answer?
	Yeah, starting with you.
	I'm going to be 100% honest with you.
	100% honest with you.
	Like, if you asked me this question when I was 21, I was a much more jealous and secure man about how sex works and how people work.
	And like, I'm from nightlife.
	I understand like people just fuck, right?
	And so now at age 40, yeah, I wouldn't, to me, there's really no difference between the two.
	Actually, the girl with no experience is guaranteed to be a terrible time for me.
	Right.
	So you would pick the girl who slept with a baby.
	If I'm asking somebody, I'm asking somebody to roof my house.
	I'm going to go with someone who's got the hours versus some newbie, right?
	If I'm going to be honest, I'm going to pick the person who can get the job done.
	Right?
	Are you going to ask a video editor who's never edited video or are you going to get a guy who's edited thousands of hours of video?
	I don't really think this comparison maps.
	Yeah, it does.
	Practice makes perfect, bro.
	Then why can't they practice with you to make themselves perfect?
	Because I'm not willing to sit there and fucking be your coach.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, but if you were a virgin and you married a woman who is a virgin, why couldn't they continuously practice?
	Dude, I'm not against that.
	I'm not against that back in any way.
	I'm not against that.
	It's not problematic.
	That's what you wanted.
	That's cool.
	But some guys, like, I'd rather be with a girl who's been around the block.
	Wait, but sex is not a complicated procedure.
	I don't think most men are.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I'm not most men, dude.
	Like, my girlfriend is not most girlfriends to put up with the shit I do for a living.
	You're asking, you're debating with a guy who's not most men.
	So obviously, you're probably closer to most men, right?
	You probably are, right?
	According to this and according to this podcast, right?
	So you're kind of you brought, you know, we're here, but we're kind of giving you a very different perspective than probably most people will give you.
	So it's like, you can't.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Like, I have a weird relationship with sex.
	It's different to me.
	I've never had, you know.
	Are you like kind of more of a, I'm not trying to like you can argue all you want to.
	Are you more submissive?
	Sexually?
	Yes.
	I am.
	No, I'm not, but I'm also very boring in bed.
	Like, I'm not like a crazy guy where I'm like, oh, my God, you got to do this and this and this for me to come.
	Right.
	Well, then why is this experience so necessary?
	It's necessary because I would like to, look, I'm a piece of shit.
	Like, I'm not going to practice with a girl, but I would like a girl that has a little practice.
	You've never gotten a bad blowjob?
	Sure.
	Cool.
	There you go.
	Can't marry a girl that gives a bad blowjob.
	It's just like, that's it.
	You could probably teach her how to do it.
	I mean, if it was that important.
	You know, Chris Rock once said, a man is only as faithful as his options, right?
	So at the end of the day, if your girl's not licking your asshole and that's what gets you off, guess what?
	Someone else will.
	If Chris Rock said it.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Wait, fuck it.
	I mean, hey, what's wrong with that guy?
	And do you want to get married one day?
	I think the concept of marriage to me is like, yo, if it's like for my wife, if she wants it, cool, I'll do it.
	But like, I don't think I don't need to do, like, I have you, you have me.
	Yeah, but you, you've been dating her for eight years, going on eight years.
	And are you guys monogamous?
	Completely.
	Okay.
	What's up?
	Where's the moment?
	I'm a normal human being who has a weird job.
	That's literally it.
	And I have a fucked up perspective on the world.
	That's it.
	Or you've got for eight years you've been with her.
	There's not been like any periods where you guys broke up or were on a break.
	Nope.
	And.
	But so I mean as far.
	I guess, going back to the whole this whole thing of just I want it.
	For a long-term relationship, I can.
	Maybe I personally, even for a one-time, one-night stand, which I'm not particularly inclined to have.
	I prefer long-term relationships, I prefer continuity.
	I have heard men say though, well, I guess for a one-night stand it might be better if she's a bit more experienced.
	Even then though, even if I was inclined to have a one-night stand, I'd prefer, I would prefer a virgin.
	I mean most one night.
	But most one night stands kind of happen organically.
	I'm not getting your fucking Kelly blue book value, right?
	I'm literally meeting you on a bar and then we fuck and then it's like, okay, I'm not marrying you cool right, that's it.
	So I guess okay, just for for a long-term relationship.
	For a long-term relationship, I also don't give a shit dude, okay.
	So I'll just ask I'll just ask the question again, just to put it out there for a long-term relationship, would you prefer being with a woman who's a virgin or a woman who's had sex with a thousand men before you?
	Okay so, but you're asking a completely yeah, it's a loaded question.
	I'd prefer a woman with a hundred bodies uh, but it's fine, fine over one.
	That's fine over.
	I don't need zero is.
	It says more about you to me than a than a thousand.
	Right, zero is like.
	This girl has no sense of adventure.
	This girl is boring.
	This girl, what the hell where did she grow like?
	Boring sex, though.
	No, I love a very exciting life.
	I don't want a boring girl okay, I don't want a boring human right, like if someone's like I've never had a sip of alcohol, I'm like, get out of here.
	Like I don't want to hang out with you, like you know, I mean.
	So a girl who's like hey, I'm 40 and I've never been fucked, be like, oh shit.
	And at age 36, when I was single, when I met her dude, or 33, good luck.
	Finding a virgin at 40, yeah sure, it's harder, right?
	So that's it.
	So if I find a 40 year old virgin, there's literally a movie called 40 Year Old Virgin if I find a 40 year old virgin, I'll go bro, what is wrong with this right?
	But you can find a low body count woman bro, what is she?
	I don't pull up the fucking hood and read the mileage right.
	At the end of the day, I don't understand if you have to test drive the car first.
	Wouldn't you also want to check the mileage?
	No no, because that's the one thing we're not gonna do, because a pussy doesn't break gas mileage how?
	Yeah, because that's how miles it's got on it.
	When that engine blows, I don't give a fuck, you know right, right.
	But now you're making a shitty argument and you're being funny, obviously for the sake of the joke.
	No, but a pussy's gonna fucking what overheat like a car.
	I don't buy a car with a lot of miles because it needs to last me.
	My girl's vagina is not gonna fall off after a year of being married, but she's gonna be the one chick.
	She's gonna be the one chick you're gonna have a long-term relationship with who somehow is not gonna be able to figure out your sexual preferences after years of sleeping with her.
	Okay well, you know that makes sense.
	Well, what if your girl's not into that?
	Right, like?
	What if you find out your girl's like, i'm not licking your asshole?
	Yeah, I think that if you see your butthole, I think that many girls probably wouldn't want to lick your asshole.
	Yeah right, but there are plenty of girls that do.
	There's girls that love licking butthole.
	You must have some kinks right, what do you like?
	No kinks, you just do all three positions, bing bang, boom.
	There's three I like.
	Like he likes Boring sex, right?
	Good.
	I try to not let myself.
	I don't need the rim job.
	I guess if that's not.
	I don't need it, but I want it, right?
	There's a difference.
	I thought you wanted boring sex.
	Now you want children.
	No, no, I fucking know.
	Why do I do boring sex?
	I want you to be able to do it.
	They bring the heat.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Like, I can't wait to stop having boners.
	Like, because the concept of sex to me is like, at this age, I'm just over it.
	Like, I don't care about it as much, right?
	Do you?
	Doesn't it devalue the experience that you have and the reason you value it less is because of how available it's always been to you?
	No.
	Oh, because I have a girl that'll live in a time.
	No, not a girl that'll fuck you anytime.
	But if you've experienced and seen everything that you've seen when it comes to the sexual marketplace, of course it's not going to excite you.
	That's the problem with porn.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Porn itself, people's brains become rewired.
	Nah, dude, I'm going to jerk off the weird stuff.
	And you know this.
	Yes, this is the same thing.
	They need more and more and more and more crazy shit in order to sexually stimulate.
	I'm telling, I'm just being real with you.
	Like, I know that concept.
	I 100% agree with that concept.
	That's how you get fucking billionaires' fucking children, right?
	Because they need to satisfy some crazy urges that they fucked everyone else over there.
	I agree with you.
	Yep.
	I'm saying for me, it's not because I'm overstimulated.
	It's just I'm getting old.
	Maybe I'm fucking losing my libido.
	I'm just not a sexual.
	No, I understand for you personally that could be the case, but you can understand from my perspective.
	I say, look, I'm always excited around my wife.
	I'm not overstimulated with needing more and more gradual, crazy shit in order to fucking be sexually satisfied.
	That is the part of experience I'm talking about.
	It's not just the idea of getting in the car, right, and having to test drive it, but it's also the understanding of, wait a second, if I go and get into too many cars, now I can only drive a fucking Ferrari or else no car will do it for me anymore.
	That's the thing.
	So you're just lowering your standards.
	You're like, you're like, yo, if I don't experience a Ferrari, so you're kind of insulting your wife, honestly.
	It's not a so, so the greater way to respect her is to go fuck a bunch of women and then come to her and say, you're her best.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's respectful.
	Bro, I go eat at a lot of restaurants, but I go back to Avra and Beverly Hills.
	I'm like, I'm so sorry for cheating on her.
	Right.
	So you guys are amazing.
	So your girl, so your girl knows that I chose her.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And she chose me.
	Has she ever told you that other guys she slept with are way better than you?
	She doesn't need to, dude.
	I know I'm worried.
	Right, you just assume it.
	I know.
	I know I'm worse.
	You just assume it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but if she had never slept with another guy who would be the best guy she ever slept with, you.
	Yeah, but my brain doesn't bother me that I'm the worst guy she slept with, right?
	Like that doesn't hurt my ego.
	It might hurt yourself.
	It's not egotistic.
	My girl saying it's the longevity of her relationship.
	Bro, if my girl fucked a black dude before me, I can clearly say that I'm not the biggest dick shit.
	What if she fucked 100 in a row before you?
	Cool.
	You don't care?
	I don't.
	Right.
	Well, so there's the thing, right?
	Is that I think that that's actually the more insecure than secure position.
	Why no?
	I'm insecure because what?
	I'm willing to do that.
	Because you're willing to settle for a chick who's been totally fucking run through with a high body company.
	Hang on.
	By 100 guys in a single night, that's what you say.
	That's an insecure position.
	A secure position is I have fucking standards and you need to not be promiscuous and a piece of fucking shit.
	That's the more secure position.
	I disagree.
	I disagree.
	I mean, it's pretty insecure to be like, I'm only going to marry the one girl like, fuck.
	Why would that be insecure?
	That's all you're so scared that you're like, I did it better than you.
	She needs to think I'm God.
	Yeah, if I'm her best.
	My below average buck is the best one, right, baby?
	Everybody should get with everybody should get with mentally ill patients, sleeping volumes.
	That's you.
	That's what you're saying.
	No, bro, bro.
	They have to.
	If they don't, they're insecure because they haven't tested everything else out.
	Nah, we're saying we don't get that.
	Nah, you will.
	You are saying that.
	No, you are.
	You're saying you don't want her to experience another dick in case it's better.
	Bro, you're scared of that.
	We're cool with it.
	Go fuck.
	Go fuck Mandingo, but you love me, baby.
	I love you.
	Let me get this right.
	I'm glad we experienced life together.
	So then again, so then the question would come back to, why is it that you might have a preference against not marrying a single mom, for instance?
	Oh, because she keeps trophies.
	Oh, oh, wait.
	So that's it.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't want to have it in the story.
	No, I just don't want to pay for a kid.
	I didn't make it.
	Let's do that.
	Someone cream pied her.
	Wait, it's not.
	That's everything to do with.
	I don't want to raise the money.
	Right, okay.
	So let me get it.
	I forgot I even said that.
	So let me get this right.
	I just want to make sure.
	How could you judge that, though, if you've never yourself been a stepfather and married?
	You have nothing to compare it to, right?
	No, I have it compared to this.
	I don't want to spend money or hang out with a child.
	I just don't.
	I don't want to hang out with someone.
	I want to hang out with my girl and not be.
	Look, my girlfriend, when we first started dating, had a job where she had to be there seven days a week.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And I was like, dude, this isn't a relationship for me.
	And she figured it out and she got her own different job.
	If I know I'm going to go marry or hang out with a chick with a kid, I'm like, okay, there's going to be a lot of obstacles in the way.
	It's like having a dog.
	I can't go on vacation without a dog.
	So it's a standard.
	So it's a standard.
	It's not a standard.
	It's not.
	It's a convenience.
	So you have standards based on your preferences.
	Yeah, that's true.
	So then if you have a standard based on your preference that you don't want to check who's run through, how would that ever be an insecure position?
	Because this isn't the right thing.
	Hey, I ain't going to finish the question and then put them out.
	You wanted to know your preference.
	You called me insecure first.
	It's a more insecure position, I think, to settle, to just settle for anything based on the fact.
	So do you think that if someone who's had a lot of sex is a bad person and I can't love them?
	No, but what I'm saying is that it's a less secure position than a person who says, I actually have preferences and standards and stick to them.
	Yes, and my preferences are standards or whatever.
	No, it's a girl.
	We're joking around, but like in reality, yeah, I'd prefer a girl who's had some sex.
	How much sex?
	I don't know, but I don't care.
	I don't ask.
	But is it less?
	Do you sit there like that?
	Isn't body partners better?
	I don't know.
	You just don't know?
	But dude, when I'm hanging out with a chick, I'm not like, yo, how many guys have you fucked before?
	I mean, that conversation comes up.
	No, it doesn't.
	Yeah, when you're fucking virgins, sure.
	No, not like when you're in the middle of the moment.
	When you're 21, dude, at 40, I'm not insecure.
	I know that you're a human that's lived on this planet.
	You probably got fucked, and none of it's my business anymore.
	Even if it's out there all over the internet, then it's your business.
	Sure, but I have to want to sign up for it.
	How about not signing up for it?
	But wait, so the men who are, though, how could you say that's a more secure position?
	It's not, I'm not judging them.
	It's you're a person who just wants that.
	Can someone just like like something?
	They could, but I don't think that they're settling for that because that was their preference that they wanted a run-through chick who's now all over the interior.
	I think they're settling for that.
	Tell me how that could be wrong.
	Your wife has been with guys before, and you accepted that.
	Sure.
	That's it.
	Right, but that's not.
	That's it.
	You're, again, preaching the different thing that you're doing.
	Very strange, very strange.
	First of all, there's a distinction between a woman who has a super low body count, who you end up with, especially if you yourself are permissive.
	Wait, do you and your wife discuss body counts?
	Let me finish.
	I'm just asking.
	Let me finish.
	We're having a conversation.
	Let me finish and then ask the question.
	Okay, boss.
	Otherwise, you shot.
	Well, if you shotgun, I can't respond, right?
	So there's a big distinction between that, between having a low body count woman and somebody who's engaged in pornographic material, is engaged in OnlyFans materials, putting that out there, has had sex with many men, which usually determines loyalty on top of that.
	Huge distinction to be made between these things.
	My preference was always a woman with a very low body count.
	That's exactly what I got.
	And I think that's because you're insecure that they fucked your girlfriend.
	I don't even think you're insecure.
	I think it's the opposite way.
	I don't think I'm going to be a distress.
	You know what?
	I agree to disagree.
	I don't agree.
	I think you're insecure.
	I think you wanted that, right?
	That's what you wanted.
	And you found it and you got it.
	It fucks your head up to think that a guy rearranged your guts.
	You know, that's your baby girl and some guy just fucking destroyed her.
	That fucks you up.
	Doesn't fuck us up.
	That's all.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go.
	And I know I'm not.
	No, we're just secure.
	We're like, she's in bed with me.
	She's having no idea.
	No standards is the most social.
	You know what?
	I'm happy she got good dick before me.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I'm happy.
	Hey, if that's true.
	Go get it, baby.
	You lived a good life.
	Let's find out if that's true.
	Yeah.
	So you get married.
	Are you going to let other dudes fuck your wife?
	Nah.
	You're insecure.
	No, not at all.
	Insecure.
	However, I just did an open relationship in the spring, and I love her.
	Hang on, why aren't you going to let other guys fuck your wife?
	Because I tried the open thing, and when I do get married, I think I'm going to go monogamy.
	However, I'm open to open relationships leading up to marriage.
	You avoid letting another guy fuck your wife?
	No way.
	When I get married, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there.
	But I'm open to open relationships right now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I am.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	You're open to open relationships because you're not in one.
	No, I did it this summer.
	I was in an open relationship.
	It was fucking fun.
	We were having three sons.
	I just want to make sure that I got this straight.
	Yeah.
	You are open to other men potentially fucking your wife when you get married.
	When I get married, I believe I will go one-on-one.
	Why?
	I believe I will.
	Because the thought of another guy fucking your wife.
	No, then you're hanging up the hat.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it sounds like you're insecure.
	Why would you want to be a little bit more?
	No, when I'm married to her.
	Bro, there's a difference.
	Wait, If your wife wanted to go fuck her in, what would be the problem?
	Obviously, there's a difference between having people fuck your girl before you met her and fucking your girl after you're dating.
	Listen, huge difference.
	I'm applying your standard to you.
	I have my standard to you.
	But the thing is, the standard, I don't have a standard in what I want a body to count to be.
	I have standards in other things I look forward to.
	But we're not talking about the standard itself.
	We're talking about whether or not you're secure by the standard itself.
	Okay, so I think that's when we get married.
	Dude, I'm an insecure human being in life.
	So I understand.
	My man's girlfriend, I want to be able to do that.
	I'm going to be open to it.
	Which shows that I'm the most secure because I'm willing to do the most degenerate shit.
	Bro, do you understand?
	You're just beating your chest being like, I'm secure.
	Like, bro, who cares?
	So anyway, you know what?
	Support my boy, my boy, Destiny.
	So back to the argument.
	My guy, Destiny.
	Yeah, your guy, Destiny.
	Love Destiny.
	Yeah, you remember how his wife got fucked by other dudes and then divorced him?
	I don't know what happened after.
	Yeah, she divorced him.
	Did she divorce him?
	Yeah, she divorced him.
	I'm bad, Destiny.
	Yeah, it sucks for Destiny.
	But when I met him, he was happy.
	Yeah, yeah, he was happy.
	Yeah, now divorce.
	But anyway, so back to this.
	Yeah, back to this, right?
	If you are making the standard that the most secure thing is to not give a shit about X, Y, and Z, and that's what makes you secure, then if I apply the same standard to, well, wait, suddenly we introduce another form of degeneracy into this.
	You don't like it.
	Wouldn't that be the most secure position?
	Then it's, well, we can all have our standards.
	So you got to make up your mind.
	I think you just need two people to meet who have the same boundaries and standards, right?
	Like, if I meet a girl who likes doing a heroin, I'm not going to be able to date her, right?
	It's just, that's never going to work.
	So you met your daughter.
	But I don't think that's an insecure position.
	That isn't.
	And you met your chick, and you're not insecure.
	I met my chick, whether she fucked 10 guys or 20 guys, you and your girl get to the top that's going to be.
	Because guess what?
	Because guess what?
	A wine body counts less than fucking.
	So there was a security.
	Every time I did it, when you say it's insecure, you're wrong.
	No, but it's guys that's right.
	You know what?
	I'll tell you this, okay?
	That's the point.
	Guys that like the Epstein shit, the psychology of that shit is they want to be the woman's friend.
	And that's fucked up.
	That is a fucked up way of thinking.
	And I think it almost relays to this, but on this point.
	I want a young girl who's never touched anyone but me.
	I'm her God is where I think it stems from.
	I'm going to totally agree that there are some men who are this way.
	There's no doubt.
	Okay.
	I think a lot of the times, like those fucking rich Bohemian Grove weirdos with the goat masks and shit like that are super rich and just fucking bored.
	They're just fucking bored out of their mind and they do all sorts of weird, crazy, insane shit because their life has no challenge and they just do that shit.
	And if you read the writings, it sure appears that way.
	That really doesn't have anything to do though with the standard of the common man, of which, just so you know, no matter how rich you are right now, you ain't fucking Epstein elite rich and you ain't never gonna be.
	Those guys are in a way different category.
	Those guys are already fucked Scarlett.
	They're in a way different category.
	Let me tell you this.
	I will bet you there's a direct correlation of guys with small dicks that want girls with low body counts and guys with big dicks that don't give a shit.
	Prove it.
	I will bet you that.
	That's because I talked to my big dick boys.
	And I love a high body county.
	She loves it.
	She loves it.
	Guys with little dickers.
	Disproven.
	Disproven.
	The little dickers running around.
	Oh, shit.
	She fucked him.
	She's never going to like me.
	I'll never satisfy her.
	That's the mentality.
	It's insecurity as fuck.
	What?
	I don't know.
	So I don't know what Bluey Burger.
	I think insecurity stops from a lot of places.
	Like, yeah, I have a small dick.
	I'm sure by comparison to most men, I don't know.
	It disappears when I judge you.
	But like the biggest feminist arguments that I've ever heard is men who concern themselves at all with the sexual history of women have small dicks.
	Biggest feminist argument ever heard.
	Ever.
	I believe.
	I back it.
	What's wrong with small damage?
	I fucking back it.
	I'm not wrong with having a small dick.
	Just saying it.
	What's wrong with having a small dick?
	No, but that's correct.
	No, you're not shaming.
	Are you fucking body shaming?
	I don't want to move to the bottom.
	You body shaming.
	I'm the first to admit online I don't have a big dick.
	But I'm just more open-minded.
	But the two people who claim they have small dicks also want the high body count.
	Wouldn't the correlate be small and dick pump now with sovers?
	Yeah, so wouldn't the correlate be that the men with the small dicks want the women with the high body count?
	No, they don't because they're in.
	Oh, I'll never satisfy her.
	They're pussy.
	They're embarrassed.
	They're embarrassed.
	That's why they like them young.
	That's why they like them with no bodies.
	That's why you just have anal because it's always so guys that can fuck good with huge dicks, they could take a girl with 10,000 bodies, not care, and still feel confident in the bedroom.
	That's why I stick to anal sex.
	Agree.
	That was for you, Carrillo.
	Thank you.
	I didn't know you had a fucking body.
	I got a little thing with the sounds and stuff.
	I'm going to let some chats come through, guys.
	I paused it temporarily.
	This is bullying.
	This is cyber.
	We're going to let some chats come out.
	You're fine.
	Are you picking and choosing which one?
	No, they all.
	I let them all.
	I let them all.
	So they're going to come in in just a sec, guys.
	By the way, I lowered TTS just at the end here.
	If you want to get your last-minute messages in, the TTS is now $69, $69 plus TTS.
	If you want to get a nice message into Carrillo, you can roast us.
	You can roast us.
	You can roast us.
	Clarifying attitudes are a slippery slope.
	Why do you think people of the past did horrible things?
	Part of it was I can do whatever I want.
	It affects no one else that was to the previous post.
	That's true.
	All right.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	Appreciate it.
	We have about, there's about seven more coming through.
	Oh, I love it.
	They're just going to come right after one after the other.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Look at the fog rolling in.
	You're making a little prostitute over here.
	I want Melons donated $69.
	Brain and Andrew, help me here.
	How these two guys are lower IQ than the girls.
	You guys have one.
	They need some help since they are hurting women more than they think.
	I'm not getting insulted by anybody who uses the wrong then.
	He also called me Brain.
	Yeah, he's like, oh, low IQ.
	My man's using T-H-E-N.
	I mean, I actually wish some of the girls argue.
	He had good arguments.
	I actually wish some of the girls we have argued.
	You have great arguments too.
	You have a good argument.
	Thank you.
	Admitting that I'm an outlier.
	My thoughts are not.
	Trust me, I can't talk to my dad.
	My dad probably thinks like you.
	Most guy friends probably think like you guys.
	You know, you just asked the fucking tiger that thing.
	Oh god, I'm not dating myself.
	I bet neither of you have ever made a girl wet.
	You think you have, however, you're just slipping around in some other dude's bust thinking you're such a baddie.
	Degenerate cucks.
	Do you hate that these are your fans?
	These guys fuck so much, right?
	They get what it is.
	Like, I don't want to be a member of any club that'll help me as a member.
	I mean, I like that.
	This guy I'm not dating definitely fucks a lot of people.
	He's a fan of what he's doing.
	I think he's great.
	That guy.
	Send me a DM on Instagram.
	Send me a DM here.
	Send me a DM on Instagram.
	Send me a DM on Instagram.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating.
	Okay, let me let these through.
	Oh, oh, Robert Tanner.
	Sorry we missed you.
	You got an EDF.
	Think for the gifted 50s because I'm a feminist and just stamp it on your forehead.
	Robert Tanner, totally a feminist.
	You might be.
	Total white fighting.
	We'll fix your horse donated to anything.
	Your arguments are baseless.
	Bashing Andrew for women saying he helped them.
	You brag about curing a man's cancer, which is back BTW.
	You only care about clout, which will leave you sad and alone in the end.
	Yo, Jesus Horse.
	Thank you.
	Wait, is this cancer back?
	Thanks so much.
	One of them is only 70.
	They had three cancers.
	Two are gone.
	And then one is 74.
	I feel like you omitted a big part of that story to make it seem a different.
	You want to call him right now?
	I think you need to just have another sex tape to finish off that cancer.
	You also, we might do it.
	There's a few more coming in, guys.
	We might do a part two.
	Maybe he needs to do a gay.
	Bring out clear up 22.
	We'll get him again.
	Trunch.
	Trunch donated $100.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Hello, sirs.
	New here.
	W Andrew, W Brian.
	Thank you, Trunch.
	Appreciate the Streamlabs TTS message.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Bro, that's a lot of money to just fucking.
	You're loaded, bro.
	Isn't that crazy?
	This is a pretty normal day.
	Really?
	No, you make like 5K per episode.
	It varies.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Just as guys here, would you ever tip?
	What's that?
	What?
	Would you ever.
	I send in super chats to shows I like.
	Yeah.
	And then what you send money in?
	Yeah.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	I'm just not of the culture.
	If I like the entertainment and I'm watching it a lot, I want to support the creators.
	I think Brian does it with chatters, and it's his own money.
	These are all plans, is what you're saying.
	Dad, send a text now.
	Mike Davis, that's that's I'm gonna actually $100.
	Hello, sirs.
	Thank you, Trunch.
	New here.
	W Andrew, W Brian.
	Rome is burning AMD.
	Some men are busy trying to sleep with your daughters as it does.
	Yeah, thank you, Trunch.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the Streamlabs TTS.
	Welcome.
	New here.
	He's new.
	Welcome, man.
	And then we have Giovanni C. Guys, if you want, get your last call on the TTS.
	I'm going to put in the chat last call.
	We're going to wrap the stream soon.
	You have a question for Carrilla?
	Jivanik donated $69.
	Thank you, Giovanni.
	Andrew, you mentioned something along the lines of the writings on Super Rich Bohemian Grove type show.
	They're just bored.
	Could you elaborate?
	Yeah, go repeat while you do that.
	Go to Rachel Wilson Substack.
	She has some articles on this on some of the super elites.
	I'm actually maybe going to start a sub stack so that I can write some of my thoughts on this from some of the writings that I've read.
	What's the difference between a sub stack and Twitter?
	Substack is like a place for articles.
	So it's like they're bringing back blogs back.
	His blogs are back.
	Yeah.
	Before we get into these last chats here, Nick, can you pull up Twitch really quick?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the prime sub.
	Oops, my bad.
	But I mean, the logic behind it to the super chat.
	Oh, sorry.
	Let me just.
	Yeah, my bad.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	Guys, it's been 11 minutes since we've had a prime.
	If you're watching on YouTube, just open up another tab really quick.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Just drop us a follow.
	If you have a Prime sub available, just drop us a little Prime sub.
	Guys, it's been One minute since a fat patriarchist.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	Cagraxis.
	Sounds like a dragon from the primes are rolling.
	Thank you for the primes, guys.
	Thank you for the primes.
	They unbugged it.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you for the follows and the primes over there on Twitch.
	Thank you, guys.
	And then we have, I'll let the rest of these chats come through.
	One sec, guys.
	Sons of Libert donated $69.
	You don't have unique views.
	You have typical degenerate views.
	45-year-old man here with standards.
	Name two relationship standards you have: projection, insecurity, strong with these two sins.
	I don't like talking to faceless people who could potentially be pieces of shit themselves.
	It's very easy to see.
	I went camping with that guy.
	He's chill.
	He's good.
	Sounds a little gay, dude.
	Like the camping thing is gay?
	With your fans?
	No, it was like a chill camp session.
	Okay.
	A kid.
	I would never want to hang out with my fans.
	Backstage Pass is gay.
	Dane underscore smart.
	Backstage Pass is a massive game.
	$69.
	First sign of worthlessness was the gray beard and backwards hat.
	These fools are too old for minds this childish.
	If women disappeared, they'd lose all self-value.
	Dependent, feminized makes.
	In defense of Kirill, I requested he turn his hat backwards.
	Yeah.
	It was.
	You can blame me for the because of the lighting.
	We typically don't like people wearing hats because it casts shadow on.
	Any girls on this thing?
	We got a lot.
	We got some.
	Any ladies?
	Just a bunch of dudes ladies or quite a few minutes.
	But women just don't want to spend money, huh?
	Paulette donated $69.
	It's kind of like low-life Kirill literally faked going to jail, closing ALF multiple times, and even his own death just to sell more of his trash as Chinese products.
	Anything he says is irrelevant.
	I faked my own death.
	You faked your own death?
	Yeah.
	I faked my own death three years ago.
	How did you die?
	Getting a colonoscopy.
	A colonoscopy?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's a bad way to do that.
	And then donated $100,000 to colon cancer.
	He went septic.
	It's a bad way to fake my death for a week, and that one fooled the world like we actually thought he was.
	He didn't even tell us.
	Black Friday's dead, guys.
	April Fools is the new moneymaker.
	There you go.
	Thank you, Bill.
	William Thomas donated $69.
	I was questioning if you two twinks were gay from all the rooster talk.
	Now I'm certain you two will be tossing each other's salad after this.
	Ironically, donated $69 and using gays and insult.
	Love it.
	Wait, you don't think that that's associated with homosexuality?
	No, I just mean using gays and insult.
	Oh, and they have two points.
	Ryan 69 has two dicks.
	Yeah.
	Wait, Ryan, no problem if you are.
	I saw a video of you kissing a dude on the lips.
	Yeah.
	Was it just by?
	Are you donated to you?
	I do gay shit for reaction.
	These guys are the normal ones they weren't homeschooled or Bible brainwashed.
	Every other citizen had to navigate the art of getting digits.
	Never asked BC because that's immature.
	My BC35 plus dot married 20 years.
	Word.
	Word.
	Mature versus our boy.
	Mature.
	Yeah, see, they agree.
	He's your homie.
	Fucking right.
	Do you know that guy?
	Nah.
	Ryan sent that in the bathroom?
	The pagan donated $69.
	You guys made the comment about alcoholism and the bartender being culpable serving a drunk.
	Couldn't we say the same about a sex worker being an enabler to someone with an addiction?
	I think he just copy-pasted what Andrew said, but good point.
	Thank you, Pagan.
	You can make that point.
	Yeah, no, but that's what he said.
	Could we say the same about sex worker being on?
	Probably could.
	Could say that.
	I already want to work.
	I used to be a degen, but have been single and celibate for several years.
	My self-worth has increased exponentially since then.
	And it always will.
	I just don't understand why self-worth is tied to sex.
	It's not just sex, but sexual degeneracy seems to have a huge impact on people.
	Okay, I agree with you on that.
	But can I just have sex and not be a degenerate?
	I'll have to re-trigger this one.
	Are we on the right or left?
	I would say if you were in a long-term committed relationship or a marriage, that would be way less degenerate than the opposition.
	No, just being so.
	But it's not just a matter of what your personal actions are, but what you advocate for.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought you guys were going to be able to do this.
	Let me read this.
	I like that one.
	I'll pull it back up.
	One sec, guys.
	I like being insulted.
	Thank you, Bowie girl.
	I appreciate it.
	Dame good insult.
	If you boiled these two piles of blank on the right down to what they were really worth, they couldn't make up a pimple on Brian or Andrew's ass or fill a thimble.
	A hat indoors is for boys anyway.
	What's a thimble?
	I mean, I wear hats indoors.
	I don't know.
	I'm literally sitting next to a sex doll, but chill out.
	But Dane, I appreciate that.
	When my grandma can wear a hat inside?
	You can pull that super up, Nick.
	Ryan, I asked this question to Curl.
	I wanted to ask it to you too.
	So I'm going to smoke if you're talking to hats.
	Well, hang on.
	We're almost done.
	We're almost done.
	Yeah, we're already done.
	Oh, okay.
	I didn't know if this was going to be a long one.
	Five minutes.
	We're going to wrap.
	Wait, so Ryan, long-term relationship, future wife, marriage.
	I don't know if you want that, but just long-term relationship.
	Would you prefer to date a girl with a body count of zero, a virgin, or a woman with a body count of 100?
	Between 50 and 250.
	So you'd prefer the.
	So, but you'd prefer a girl between a body count of 250 and 200?
	No, no, no.
	If she's 49, are you like gross?
	Between 50 and 250.
	So you'd prefer a body count between 50 and 250 versus a virgin.
	Versus zoo.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	But why not 20?
	20's cool.
	20's okay.
	20's cool.
	10.
	Well, wait.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Five.
	Five, it's like, y'all, y'all good.
	I want to know your age.
	I need to know the agenda of your life.
	And what if they just, you know, hit their, what the girls call ho-face while we're together.
	She goes on a trip, Diplo invites her backstage.
	Now she's, well, I never really did this.
	And she starts fucking Diplo.
	That's scary.
	I saw a tweet.
	I think you tweeted about this too.
	Has Diplo He's fucked all your girls.
	Yes.
	Diplo, Tyga, Chris Brown have had sex with every single girl on earth.
	Yeah, as you would expect them to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Which guy's having sex with lots of women.
	That's not new.
	Yeah, that's not new.
	Yeah.
	My girl actually cheated on me with Nick Cannon.
	Really?
	And then you interviewed?
	And then you just interviewed him?
	And I didn't bring it up to him.
	What are you doing?
	Happy to accept what is.
	It just doesn't mean I think that's the way it should be.
	True dot.
	So yes, rich, powerful guys been fucking.
	But Ryan, you've got a good personality.
	You've got your own show, right?
	Thank you.
	You've got a lot of energy.
	You've got some charisma.
	I mean, and this is actually something that we do at the end of the shows with some of the girls who do sex work.
	You could just transition into doing like normal kind of content without the involvement.
	Yeah.
	Sex work.
	You're an entertaining guy.
	You've got the, you know, the passion for content creation, I think, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Why don't I put the challenge right here?
	Stop right now.
	Oh, oh, I love these girls, and I love my show.
	I love, I love it.
	And you know what?
	A lot of them tell me, man, I go on podcasts and they all say, what does your dad think?
	Thank you, Robert Tim.
	How did you end up here?
	You know, are you ever going to find a boy?
	That's the same five fucking degrading questions to them.
	And I don't.
	So they come on, they have so much fun, and they all tell me, like, that was my favorite show I've ever done.
	And I stay friends with them, and I'll tell you, 90% of them are really cool-ass chicks.
	They're so down to earth because they're not fakers.
	They put it on the screen, they have cum on their face on.
	They have nothing to hide.
	So they really are themselves.
	And I fucking love them.
	They're my best friends now.
	And the dudes also are the coolest guys ever.
	Like, male porn stars are just.
	Not fucking clout chasey loser, fake, yappy, asshole, LA fucks like everyone else.
	They're just laid-back.
	I'll give you 60 bucks.
	Will you buy him a shirt his size that says White Knight?
	I'll go with them.
	I'll buy myself.
	No, these girls are cool as fuck, though, aren't they?
	Like, they're so fun, man.
	It's just any industry you go in, right?
	If you like it, you're going to meet friends.
	But I do want to say, there's five porn stars I refuse to talk to, right?
	There's people in that industry that I don't want to associate with.
	I happen to hang out with, it's like you, right?
	You're like, I'm religious.
	I go believe in God.
	You attend a church.
	And you're like, I don't want to support churches that enable child blah, right?
	Same thing.
	Like, I hang out in my pocket of the sex world where it's positive.
	I'm having fun with these girls.
	No one's so fucking abused.
	Yeah, they have mental illness.
	My birthday party.
	It was probably the party of the year.
	And it was all, all girls were sex workers.
	And it was just fucking fun.
	There was no fights.
	There's no drama.
	There's no bullshit.
	It was just happiness.
	And that's the vibes with these girls.
	Right, right.
	The argument is, you broke it down in the beginning is you're comparing a lot of lizards and you're comparing the 1% of OnlyFans girls.
	Right.
	It's like, at the end of the day.
	Yes, we're hanging out with the, you're hanging out with the Diplo of porn.
	So am I. Right.
	So do we get to see the underbelly?
	Not as much.
	But that's just what we see, right?
	I see what I see.
	Do you want to do a closing statement?
	Yeah, well, just before you, before you do, before you make the closing statement, before we wrap up really quick, you guys.
	GMD donated $69.
	You two just need to forgive your parents so you can stop acting like edgy teenagers.
	Acting edgy after 18 is just sad.
	Brixon, go to an Orthodox service with Andrew.
	Yeah, I'm going to go eventually.
	But this past week, we've had Andrew here.
	Week and a half has been super packed with stuff.
	So guys, if you want to learn how to become a master debater, you got it ready, Nick?
	Okay.
	Oh, I tell you, verbal.
	Oh, okay.
	Guys, you got to go to debateuniversity.com.
	Jokes aside, if you want to learn how to think, debate, and craft arguments like Andrew Wilson, if you want to debate like Andrew Wilson, you need to get his course of herbal combat.
	There's about six hours of instruction, 80 plus different educational videos.
	You can find it all.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	Question, if I pay you for this university, will you teach me how to debate for sex workers?
	Or will you not bend your moral?
	Actually, that's...
	Teach me how to argue with you.
	I always think that the best idea for people who disagree is to teach them the best ways to debate because I feel like if they learn logic, they'll come to similar conclusions.
	It's just hard because this is less logic and it's like, you know, there's logic to it.
	There's a lot.
	No, to what?
	To like the arguments we're having today.
	Oh, no, I understand that, but there's also a lot of emotional.
	I can't change how I feel.
	Right?
	You can change how you feel.
	You can?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't think I can.
	People change how they feel all the time.
	I don't think I can change how I feel about sex workers.
	I just don't.
	Never?
	It's kind of like I can't change how rational?
	I can't change how I feel about this iPhone, even though I know it's made by Chinese slaves, children, right?
	Like, it's just, it is what it is.
	I just have a feeling that it's hard for me to believe that you can't change it if it's arbitrary.
	What do you mean?
	Well, like, for instance, the first time I smoked a cigarette, I didn't like it.
	But the second time I smoked one, I liked it.
	Fine, my feelings on it changed.
	You can definitely, through the course of doing something, right, change your feelings on it, or you can run into arguments or rationalities that make you change your viewpoints on things.
	Cool.
	If four porn stars, I found out, robbed my house, guess who hates porn stars?
	You?
	Yeah.
	But I have a great relationship with them, so I have no reason to hate them.
	Oh, it's not.
	And so my emotional attachment.
	I agree with the feminists.
	I only shoot POV amateur-style corn, as Brian can attest.
	You have to keep your labor costs minimal.
	Just me and the girl.
	No crew required.
	Just like a prostitute.
	That's pretty funny.
	Paladins up with the custom TTS thing.
	That's actually a good idea.
	That's my favorite, by the way.
	POV amateur.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Okay.
	Andrew, you want to give your closing statement and then we'll wrap the show.
	Yeah.
	Well, so first and foremost, thank you guys for coming out.
	Thank you guys for doing this.
	How'd we do?
	Doing this to be a good thing.
	That was good, right?
	None of us are leaving any different.
	Yeah.
	Maybe.
	We'll see.
	But anyway, so the point is, I do appreciate it.
	I do think you guys need to think about your positions on this because they're not great, right?
	And what I don't get is, especially for you, you deal with these sex workers all the time.
	You know none of the stats on this.
	You don't really, you just don't really know any of this.
	I'm a golden retriever.
	I live in a happy little bubble.
	I don't watch the news.
	I just don't want to do any of that.
	I wake up, I smile, and I have a great day.
	But also, like, who wants to sit there and be like, this is what I do for a living?
	Let me break it apart about how bad it might be versus like, guess what?
	I'm doing things that I think are good and fun, and I'm using people and hanging out with people that might be influencers, porn stars, musicians, whoever crosses my path that I kind of fuck with.
	That's it.
	They just happen to be pornography.
	My life is this happy little Truman show.
	Dude, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	But hung out with you.
	I'm going to give you a way to never question your own worldview.
	No, because look, I hung out with you.
	I'm not walking out of here being like, that was a waste of my time.
	Cool.
	Had a great time moving on.
	You're just another person I ran across just like a porn star might be.
	I don't care that she took 100 dicks.
	If in the moment she's nice and fun and kind and we can do something fun together, like, I don't give a fuck what you do for a living.
	And I know that there's issues in the industry, and I'm happy I get to bring a light to it.
	That's what they all say, Ryan.
	You bring such joy to our industry.
	We needed you, and that makes me happy.
	Okay.
	Well, I was able to demonstrate pretty easily the great harms of this industry.
	I don't think my opponents were able to demonstrate anything to the contrary of that.
	And there are arguments essentially just came from emotion, which is fine.
	I understand why, right?
	You're not debaters.
	I get that.
	And I was not, that didn't go hardball on you.
	You're not hardball.
	I did want to get the viewpoints out.
	So I appreciate you guys coming out.
	It was nice of you to do.
	And we made some good content today.
	You're definitely both fucking degenerates.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Not unsolved.
	But hopefully we can do something again.
	Great.
	All right, cool.
	Let me just make sure.
	You don't mean that.
	I did mean that.
	You really want to hang out with us.
	We could do it again?
	You know what?
	Over time, I can't do it.
	I'm going to take it to debate school and come back.
	I might just be a big university does.
	But do you want to hang out with me to change my mind or do you want to hang out with me because you want to hang out with me?
	Because I don't want to hang out with you.
	No, no, he doesn't make content together again.
	Right.
	Like, at the end of the day, like, I don't want to hang out with people that just want to do it.
	We don't get closing statements.
	Why not?
	What?
	Those are the best kind of people.
	Yeah, we would like to.
	Yeah, but what if you change me for the worst, dude?
	What if I change you for the better?
	I'm not willing to take that risk.
	That's fair.
	I don't want any change, dude.
	I eat the same shit every day.
	Okay.
	What's your closing statement?
	My closing statements are, Brian, wish you spoke more.
	Nice guy.
	Like your vibe.
	Chill.
	What about the yelling at the chick for the cell phone thing, though?
	Yeah, where was that?
	Yeah.
	I feel like that was fake now.
	Thanks for having us.
	Good time.
	Thank you for coming.
	Appreciate it.
	Andrew, good debater.
	You're good at getting points across.
	I feel like if we switch sides, yeah, it's your job.
	Bro, you love the robotics floor west.
	When I look and I say, you know, I see your perspective on some perspectives, but don't make your kids virgins, bro.
	That's like, let them fuck a little bit, man.
	You know, let people have fun and let people live and do what they want.
	And focus more on creating more on creating safe and healthier environments than hating on what people do.
	And when you do hate on the girls, go easy on them because their mental health, it's people like you.
	If you say the wrong thing and it goes viral, that's what fucks their fucking things up.
	And that's what's causing a lot of depression, maybe even suicide.
	So go easy on the girls.
	They're just trying to live.
	They don't worry about you.
	You don't worry about them.
	Live and let live.
	Happy world, peace, and love.
	Anything from you, Carol?
	Guys, you can buy my merch at assholesliftforever.com.
	No.
	Hey, you plugged him.
	I'm plugging me.
	I came here for free.
	I'm kidding.
	Dude, I don't have a closing argument.
	Everyone online is literally going to think what they think.
	You think what you think.
	We'll all change eventually.
	Maybe, maybe not.
	I see myself getting older and changing all the time.
	But honestly, I don't think I'll ever change my stance on people having sex.
	It just doesn't concern me.
	It doesn't.
	I don't care what you do with your dick.
	You do, you do, or whoever in this room fucks this thing.
	Sure.
	I guess I'll take this then.
	You probably don't want to.
	Just take the blue pill, bro.
	Is that Advent?
	Take the blue pill.
	You got to take the red pill, Ryan.
	We'll fix you.
	We'll have you back on the show.
	Anyways, I think we're all caught up on the chats.
	Keep the like thing up.
	All right, GG, well played, guys.
	Keep sending Brian money.
	He lives in a mansion because of your comments.
	Bro, you know how expensive it is to buy whatever.com?
	Are living a rich life?
	Do you know how expensive whatever.com is?
	You can't get a single bedroom apartment in Santa Barbara for less than $500,000.
	You talk about fucking shit.
	I would like you guys to pay for it.
	That's why people are selling their buttholes so they can afford the money you made.
	All right.
	So, GG, well played, guys.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	You don't know H to the Izzo?
	Oh, that's where it comes from.
	You could be anywhere in the world right now, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate it.
	Seinfeld said that too.
	Jerry?
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Thank you again, everybody who sent in a message.
	And big thank you to you guys for coming on the show.
	I thought it was a good stream.
	Appreciate you guys.
	Sure.
	Especially the drive.
	It's going to be great.
	I'm going to feel like a total prostitute.
	The two-hour drive home.
	Terrible.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what's crazy is I could have moved this to LA, but I'm like, from Santa Barbara, it's a power thing.
	You come to me.
	Yeah, it's a power thing.
	Actually, having been doing content creation for over 10 years over a decade, I think me not having moved to LA kept my head on straight.
	Because if I was living, like once you get to LA, a lot of people.
	You would have been fucking porn stars right next to me.
	Probably, probably, probably.
	So I kept my head on straight staying in small town Santa Barbara.
	Okay, 07's in the chat, guys.
	Like the video on your way out.
	I hope you guys have a good night, and we'll see you on Sunday.

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