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Cat Fight RAGE QUIT! BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! Andrew Wilson IN STUDIO! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | Dating Talk #182

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
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	I also do want to quickly apologize for our delayed start here.
	We had some people running, or not so much people running late, but we had flakes, no shows, etc.
	So we had to kind of hustle to get some replacements.
	In any case, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	My name is MJ.
	I'm 22 years old.
	What's up, Nick?
	Is it?
	Yeah, it's our guy.
	My name is MJ.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I am a recent UCSB graduate, and I studied film and media and religious studies.
	Yeah.
	Currently unemployed, but looking for work.
	Film, media, and what?
	And religious studies.
	Religious studies.
	Is that a minor or major?
	No, it was a double major.
	Double major.
	So film and media, and then the religious studies, those are the two majors.
	Okay.
	And you said you're from where again?
	I'm from Palm Springs, originally.
	Palm Springs, got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Selena.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from LA, and my occupation is porn star.
	All right.
	How long have you been doing that for?
	Since January.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hi, my name's Claudia.
	I go by CC.
	I'm 20 years old and my occupation is I'm a pharmaceutic.
	What happened to your friend who was supposed to be here with you?
	My roommate, she was supposed to come, but maybe it was just too much of a fun night last night.
	She couldn't wake up.
	Now she told me she had a family emergency.
	She did have a family emergency because she's in Santa Cruz.
	She's what?
	She's in Santa Cruz.
	She's in Santa Cruz.
	With her family.
	But she said she had to fly.
	That's why.
	She flies to Santa Cruz.
	She flew to Santa Claus, like today.
	I don't believe it, but okay.
	All right, what about you?
	Hi, I'm Jesse Taylor.
	I am from Clearwater, Florida, born and raised, and I live out in Los Angeles.
	I own property.
	I manage my property.
	I was fortunate enough to buy my house in cash, so I kind of do that.
	And then I do music with my boyfriend.
	He's a gold record producer.
	And then I sing.
	I've been an influencer since the end of 2016.
	I was on a TV show, and I was part of the original streaming group with Ice Poseidon called the CX Network.
	And I was one of the original members.
	And I also was the number one creator on TikTok for comedy at the end of 2021, beginning of 2020, throughout 2022.
	And I have an OnlyFans, but yeah, and I'm also a mother and I'm getting married.
	That was quite possibly the longest introduction ever made.
	Well, I need to explain myself from beginning to.
	I was thorough.
	The largest comedy channel on TikTok.
	Well, yeah, throughout 2022, I did public pranks and public questions.
	So, yeah, but I gave that up because I ended up getting a boyfriend.
	Were you running that with somebody else?
	No, just like myself.
	I had like a manager at the time, but I gave that up.
	I still do music, but to be with my boyfriend and kind of like put social media on hold and just kind of like start a family.
	Age?
	Oh, 26.
	All right.
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 19.
	I'm currently working at the Whatever Podcast, and I'm also a student at Santa Barbara City College studying business and communication.
	All right.
	How about you?
	My name is Allie.
	I'm 18.
	I'm from New York, and I am a student at UC Santa Barbara.
	All right, welcome.
	Hello, my name is Jolie Elena.
	I am 19 years old.
	I just graduated from CSUN with my bachelor's in criminology and justice studies.
	I have an associate in, I also got my associate simultaneously in general education for social sciences.
	I do, sorry, I do content, post content on TikTok and Instagram reels at Jolie Elena, J-O-L-I-E-E-L-E-N-A.
	And my YouTube channel with the same name.
	What kind of content?
	It's kind of random, but I post like kind of like opinionated stuff, and sometimes it's fun stuff, but opinions conspiracy.
	I did like a video on YouTube about a conspiracy I researched.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's the fastest growing YouTube debate channel, to my knowledge anywhere.
	Political satirist and political analyst, and I like to engage in debates now and again.
	All right, welcome, everybody.
	And very good to have Andrew back in the studio.
	Me and Andrew actually have a big announcement, guys.
	So we've been working on this for six months now, me and Andrew.
	We are launching a debate course, a debate program.
	As you guys know, we both get involved in various kinds of debates on the show.
	Andrew has his own channel where he recently debated with Destiny and had a fantastic performance.
	But we're launching a program.
	It's called Debate University.
	You can find it at debateuniversity.com.
	Have we made the determination as to the program is verbal combat?
	Yeah, verbal combat.
	Yep.
	But we also are, do we have two names for it?
	But Debate University is the flagship that all the content will go on.
	Yes.
	But the main course that's on it right now is called Verbal Combat.
	Yes.
	And you can find it in debateuniversity.com.
	We're going to pull that up in just a sec, guys.
	We have 80.
	Can you pull that up, Nick?
	The website first?
	Hide that, please.
	So we have 80 plus modules.
	If you can maybe put us on the other side.
	Yeah.
	There's 80 plus modules, six hours of video.
	And we've been working tirelessly to get this launched.
	It's been many months in the making.
	So if you guys want, check it out, debateuniversity.com.
	There's the course offering, and then we also have what's going to be a private membership group.
	And me and Andrew are going to be doing monthly QA sessions on there.
	And it's going to be private members only group.
	And we also have a trailer that we want to play really quick, Nick, if you can get that going.
	And yeah, go ahead, the trailer, please.
	You're going to want you, I think, hide us.
	Just hide us.
	Yeah.
	All right, go ahead.
	Your job is not to show mercy.
	Your job is not to back off and allow them to maintain their false ideas.
	That's not your job.
	It is nebulous.
	I understand it's nebulous.
	But I'm also not the one who's making the affirmative claim you are.
	So let's start with some dirty tricks.
	Some dirty tricks.
	So kind of hitting below the belt.
	God damn it!
	You're still whining.
	Stop whining.
	That's just a product.
	I'll smack you.
	Honestly, did your dad say, thank you for prostituting yourself so I have air conditioning.
	Well, now, as we hang on, Ian, let me finish.
	My turn.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Go ahead.
	So as we dive into this, though, by the way, you say that you can't make a deterministic statement, which is a deterministic statement.
	Again, how dumb are you, Blosh?
	Debate is a weapon, especially in the 21st century when living in the information age.
	Hurrybob, this debate is over.
	Goodbye.
	Goodbye.
	Jackass.
	I'm not interested in your stupid prattle.
	Answer my question.
	That makes no sense.
	That's the stupidest thing I've heard out of you tonight.
	Why would you do anything if you didn't care?
	And pull up the site again, Nick.
	DebateUniversity.com, guys.
	And by the way, we're going to, you know, there's going to be what's that term from video games?
	DLC.
	There'll be DLC, you know.
	We might be, we'll be adding modules as the months progress.
	So be sure to check it out, debateuniversity.com.
	Anyways, we'll get right into the show.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	Well, hang on.
	Let me.
	Oh, did you want more?
	Sorry.
	Let me say a couple.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Let me say a couple.
	Go ahead, Anne.
	So seven out of ten messages that I get are from people who want to know how to have better rhetorical skills and how to debate better.
	That's, I mean, far more than half of people who contact me, that's what they're contacting me for.
	So that's the entire reason that we did the project, so I have a place to refer people to for just that thing.
	So go check it out.
	Tons of you who are watching right now have probably DM me asking for just this, and here it is.
	It's everything that you wanted.
	Everything.
	Cool.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	Are you single?
	Talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be.
	If you're single, how long have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm currently single and I've actually never been in a relationship.
	So yeah.
	Have you ever had a boyfriend?
	No, not like a committed boyfriend, no.
	Not a committed boyfriend.
	So you've had a boyfriend, but he cheated on you?
	No, it's, you know, I've been in relationships with people for long periods of time and I've been asked to be, you know, people's girlfriends, but I've never been someone's girlfriend.
	There was never that title on it.
	What's the you said you've been in relationships.
	What's the longest relationship you've been in?
	Probably like eight months.
	And is that the guy who asked you to be his girlfriend?
	Yes.
	And you said no.
	Yeah.
	Why is that?
	Because it wasn't what I wanted at the time.
	Why did you date him for eight months then?
	Probably because of things I hadn't resolved within myself at the time.
	Opinionated Bro donated $69.
	Andrew, I like you, but you rarely portray Christian morals on here anymore.
	Plus, lately, misogyny/slash anger are hurting your credibility.
	However, you did hilariously own Wes Watson giving me the best laugh all year.
	You want to respond to that, Andrew?
	Fuck you.
	All right, there you go.
	Thank you, Opinionated Bro.
	All right.
	You said you were working through some issues.
	I just kind of had realizations about what was truly healthy and what was not.
	And so I decided to not pursue anything further.
	And like looking back, I do think that things could have played out differently, but that just wasn't the case.
	But now I'm single.
	How long have you been single?
	I don't really know.
	I haven't been keeping track.
	Are you currently talking to a guy?
	Like I talk to guys and go on dates, but nothing serious or do you have a roster right now?
	I wouldn't say a roster, no.
	I wouldn't call that a roster.
	What would you say it is?
	I have certain, I feel special, a special type of connection to certain people in my life, and I have experiences with people, but I wouldn't say that's necessarily a roster.
	I don't have like a list of names that I'm going through and like hitting up when you know I want something from people.
	You said you have special connections with people?
	Yeah.
	many special connections do you have currently um maybe like it's really hard to actually answer that question because you know people come and go and i just graduated so people have like come into my life and left my life uh so So I couldn't really give you a solid number on that.
	Yeah, I'll try to make it a little easier.
	So you said you just graduated and then maybe other people are back home during the summertime.
	If we just rewind four months ago, so that brings us to April, let's say April prior to UCSP letting out.
	How many special connections did you have then?
	I was exclusive with one person at that time.
	Was that the eight-month guy?
	No.
	Okay.
	How long were you exclusive with the guy back in April?
	Four months.
	Four months.
	When did that end?
	In May?
	In April.
	Okay, let me fast forward one month.
	So let's go to May.
	How many special connections did you have then?
	I wasn't counting.
	But like, special connections is in.
	I just don't define it in like complicated for me, man.
	I don't want to answer that question.
	Well, yeah, okay, I'm really confused as to what a special connection is.
	Right.
	I don't mind that you're confused.
	I don't think that's the question I want to answer.
	Well, it's kind of like that's the purpose of the show: to talk about people's actually.
	No, you're right.
	You're right.
	Relationship situations.
	Are you currently dating a couple people right now?
	No.
	Do you have a special connection with anybody right now?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you take issue.
	We're not dating.
	Well, so you take issue with the term dating.
	To you, dating would that imply what?
	I think it's because actually people who I develop a relationship with tend to be my friends first for a long time.
	So that's why it kind of complicates it.
	Because even if something happens between us or we have a romantic connection, they are still my friend first.
	At least in my way that I, my perspective on it.
	I prioritize our friendship before anything else.
	So it doesn't feel like it's a roster necessarily because it's not, I don't view them as you know.
	I have a question for you.
	Brixon underscore is underscore daddy donated $69.
	Brixen, your dumper be looking dumpy tonight.
	Tell the narcissistic Strumpets to be considerate of the live viewers.
	Andrew, you making Destiny Squirm like a 304 in church was the highlight of the week.
	All right.
	For me too.
	My dumper be looking dumpy tonight.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	That's.
	No, just low paladins donated $69.
	Sorry, a little bit behind.
	But Lola, how quickly my roommate had a late night turned into family emergency.
	I noticed that.
	Keep lying for one another.
	That's why I can't trust any woman ever.
	I wasn't lying.
	I was not lying.
	You should honestly, unless she were to send me a flight itinerary, I just refuse to believe people when they make up these lies about no, because she used to play in soccer and now she lives out here in Downey with me.
	And her family's all in Santa Cruz.
	I don't believe that.
	Yeah, but she said she had a flight.
	I just, unless she shows me like a ticket to like a tree show.
	Well, I mean, I don't really care.
	She's not here, but I just people just lie all the time to get out of things.
	I mean, yeah, that's good.
	So I need to fix some.
	There's some funky things going on over there.
	Can you put it on split really quick?
	That was weird how it's getting like cut off.
	I'm not sure.
	Okay.
	So never had a boyfriend.
	Oh, go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, so I wanted to ask you, from your perspective, what is a girlfriend or a boyfriend?
	I think that's someone who you have consciously chosen to pursue kind of a partnership with where there's a shared goal and you guys are moving towards that shared goal together.
	And I think a label is involved where a conversation is had and that's decided that you guys are going to be going on a journey together, whether, you know, not be forever.
	Yeah, like a journey together, you know.
	It's all about the journey.
	Honestly, yeah.
	It is.
	So how would you define a special connection?
	I think there's certain people, and I know not everyone believes in this, but there's certain people that you meet who I like to, the way I view it is that people act as either a door, a mirror, or a window, kind of.
	And there's people that you meet who will either reflect yourself back to you, open a door for you and show you how a different way that life could be, or maybe give you a glimpse of something that you want but isn't necessarily in your reach just yet.
	And I think that there's been certain men in my life who I've met who have brought out the parts of me that have questions that need answering.
	And that relationship that I, the emotions that I feel through a relationship like that often become romantic.
	And that's when a connection for me becomes special.
	Sounds almost like esoteric sex magic, right?
	Slightly, sure.
	So you have friends, and they teach you stuff, and then you end up in a romantic relationship with them.
	You can.
	But I think that mature communication is really important when it comes to those situations because you can actually end up complicating your life quite a bit when you don't have open communication with people who you love.
	What do those men teach you?
	I think more recently they've taught me about like specifically this one person that I have in mind has taught me the difference between like I feel like I'm constantly trying to get closer to the truth, whatever that may be.
	And I've realized that there is a really big difference between perception and perspective and how we lack understanding amongst each other because we fail to see the differences in our perspectives because of our own perception, which is built on our own personal life experiences and all these labels that we give ourselves that form our identities.
	And it's they teach me about who I, the woman I want to be and also maybe where I'm failing to kind of step up to the plate, failing to take on responsibility out of fear,
	maybe running away from myself in certain ways where actually certain people will highlight that I'm strong enough and brave enough to confront those dark sides of myself and the way I view my relationships is in a very spiritual way.
	So that's what I grow to appreciate and maybe that's never led to a relationship for me but it's because it really just wasn't you know I do believe in divine timing and it wasn't it wasn't right you know so it just hadn't fit.
	So are you currently seeing somebody?
	No.
	No, currently I am not.
	Special connections, though.
	You said you currently have multiple special connections.
	Yeah.
	So I'm trying to word this in such a way because you didn't like the dating transpired special connection.
	Yeah.
	So you've just been celibate for four months?
	Well, I mean, that wouldn't be a very special connection now, would it?
	No, I haven't been celibate, but so when I use the word dating or date, that sort of encapsulates that can encapsulate everything from a one-night stand to like super serious boyfriend and girlfriend, just as an umbrella term.
	So I know it sounded like you had a different definition of, because I asked you if you're dating anybody.
	Right.
	Or if you've dated these people.
	That's why we're trying to figure out the distinction when you say special connection.
	That's why I'm asking, what would the difference between that and dating be kind of under your worldview?
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	It's people that I encounter on a day-to-day that I've built a relationship with, a friendship with, and we hang out, do certain things together, like as friends, but then maybe suddenly there's a kind of shift in the way that we feel about each other, but I'm not necessarily hooking up with those people.
	That's why I don't consider it to be dating them.
	Like it doesn't necessarily have to encompass all the things that you might consider when you that imply that that implies.
	So I see, I understand you don't like labels.
	I get that, right?
	But the way that human beings associate things is through labeling them, right?
	That's how we have a frame of reference to point at something.
	So if you had to take this idea of special connection and put a label on it, which commonly would be understood, what would it be closest to?
	Just friends that I'm attracted to.
	Kind of like friends with benefits?
	No.
	No.
	No, I prefer not to define it, honestly.
	But if you could put a label on it that people would understand best.
	Like if you're going to describe a concept to somebody, usually use concepts which are different, but they're close.
	That way we can make it an association, right?
	That way we can figure out what it's close to, what it's like.
	A crush.
	A crush.
	Okay.
	Isn't a crush typically one-directional?
	It could be a reciprocated crush.
	Well, okay, a crush in my essentially means you like somebody.
	Yeah.
	You're attracted to them.
	Yeah.
	Right, but that doesn't really explain the actual dynamic that is occurring between the two people.
	Right.
	No, and sometimes it can be unrequited kind of attraction.
	And then other times it could be that for me too.
	So it just depends on the person and the circumstance.
	Okay.
	So you said you've been single for four months?
	You said in April you ended things with a guy you were seeing him for four months.
	Is that correct?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Was it monogamous?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	The eight-month relationship, was that monogamous?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Um, are all are you always monogamous?
	If it's serious, yeah.
	Gage underscore kitty donated $69.
	It's a special connection because it's a journey that ends with a crush.
	It's all about the journey, baby.
	It's all about the journey.
	Uh, so fuck yeah.
	You said you are monogamous if it's serious, but you've never had a boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	For underscore the underscore patriarchy donated $69.
	Sounds like she has a lot of male friends who turn into carnal knowledge.
	No man in her journey will pursue a relationship.
	Well, that's actually not true.
	Because I'll fix that.
	I'll get up and fix that.
	You can't split it right now.
	I don't know what's going on.
	She said that she was dating a guy and he asked for a relationship and she turned up.
	Mr. Boulet donated $69.
	Orders from the Patriarchy Inquisition.
	Brian, you are sitting next to the Grand Inquisitor.
	You are ordered to turn over the autographed blue-white cup with certificate of authenticity on the other side.
	We'll get him one.
	We'll get him one.
	We'll give them the certificate, too.
	Thank you, Mr. Boulet.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Boulet.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Boulet.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay.
	So.
	Have you ever dated Curtis Underscorle on underscore donated 69?
	Yeah, thank you, Curtis.
	Thank you.
	Let me translate for her so everyone can understand.
	The window she is talking about is a web browser and her special connection is $6.99 a month.
	I'm sure she is talking to them when they simp.
	I don't.
	You don't have an OF.
	No.
	Yeah, she doesn't have an OF.
	But thank you, Curtis.
	That's the girl next to her.
	So have you ever.
	Okay, have you ever dated multiple people at the same time?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What's like the most amount that you've dated at the same time?
	Like three, four, fifteen?
	Maronite Catholic Aussie donated $69.
	Why are you complicating something that doesn't need to be complicated?
	WTF are you hiding or preventing yourself from being labeled as everyone can see right through your prattle.
	So this as not perhaps refined.
	Right, this is a good point which is being made, which is usually if I'm trying to explain a concept to somebody and they're just kind of like not getting the concept, maybe it's a personalized concept.
	I try to use things that they can closely associate with something else.
	That way I can explain to them what's in my head, right?
	Because that's where you're trying to draw a picture inside somebody's head so they can understand what you're talking about.
	But it does seem like you're being a little bit evasive and kind of letting us know what you mean here by special connection, right?
	Right.
	I think the reason why I'm quote-unquote complicating it, it's not intentional.
	I think it's actually because it's quite complicated for me and my head.
	So if you're going to explain the if you were going to explain it to a 10-year-old, how would you explain it to a 10-year-old?
	We're going to.
	We're going to boost the TTS, by the way, guys.
	So TTS is now 200.
	Go ahead.
	Explain it to us like we're five.
	Unfortunately, I do not have the words to articulate myself.
	I actually.
	It's.
	I'm.
	I guess the.
	Yeah, no, I don't have the words to explain myself.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Okay, here, we're gonna get everybody's relationship status.
	We will come back to it a little bit, but what about you?
	Special connections only first.
	Let's start with those.
	No, no, no special connections.
	No special connections.
	Wait, can I, really quick, can I have you guys, all three of you, scoot this way just a bit and scoot your mics along with you?
	Or just if all three of you can just.
	Sorry, guys, we need to make a couple adjustments here and scoot your mic with you.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Just trying to.
	And you guys remember who to blame, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Go ahead with your relationship status.
	I am single.
	I'm not talking to anyone.
	I kind of just focus on myself right now.
	Okay.
	And how long have you been single?
	About like over a year now.
	I've only had one boyfriend and it was for like a month.
	And that was.
	You guys knew each other total for one month?
	Or how long had you known each other prior to becoming?
	Honestly, like it was probably just for one month.
	Like it was for like a summer.
	So like I met him in the summer and then we were dating for a month and then I just don't know.
	He just wasn't the person for me and I didn't want to be with him anymore.
	So I just broke up.
	So longest relationship one month?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Longest anything one month.
	That includes friends with benefits, situationship, casual hookup, one month.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you also, but you do adult content, correct?
	Yeah, I do mainstream porn, OnlyFans, and camming.
	And is it difficult for you to date at all because of that?
	Absolutely, it is.
	Yeah.
	Do you date people in the industry or no?
	I haven't yet, but a lot of people in my industry do because it's easier, like just to understand each other and it just makes more sense that way.
	Okay, all right.
	Are you desirous of like a relationship or you kind of find maybe just keeping things casual or short term?
	Honestly, I don't want any kind of relationship.
	I don't want any hookup because I'm just like at a point where I did have a lot of hookups and like situationships and stuff in the past and it just didn't do anything for me like mentally that was positive.
	I mean it was a learning experience for me, but now I understand like what I like in a person, what is worth my time to pursue and like right now I kind of just want to focus on my work and like myself.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	How old did you say you were?
	I'm 19.
	Didn't you just like graduate high school at 18?
	Yeah, I graduated about two months ago.
	From high school?
	Yeah.
	So how did we go on your journey from graduating high school to hardcore porn star?
	Well, when I turned 18, I had made an OnlyFans because I don't know, like, I feel like in 20, I made one like 2023.
	It was just like, it's very big on the internet now.
	And so I kind of just wanted to try it.
	And so I got into that.
	It didn't really go anywhere.
	And then last summer, I actually couldn't get a normal job.
	Like, actually, like, I applied to so many places, like at least 30 places.
	And I really wanted to, you know, just have a job, you know?
	And so I started doing camming on Chatterbait.
	And then I realized like, you know, it's cool to have like a fan base.
	It's cool to get income that way where I can just do it from home.
	It's convenient.
	Later on, I decided to do mainstream porn because my fans were requesting it.
	They really wanted to see it.
	So I started that in like late December, early January, and I've been doing that ever since.
	So it was easy money, basically.
	I definitely wouldn't say it's easy money, but I definitely thought that before I got into it.
	And now that I'm into it, I just feel the need to keep pursuing it so that I can, I don't know, grow my audience and grow my income because like I don't know, but it's definitely not easy money.
	I'll say that.
	You mean you're carving out a decent living doing that?
	Right now, yes, I am.
	How much does somebody who's engaged in that at 19 make?
	For me, it changes monthly because I have all these streams of income.
	But it just depends how persistent I am.
	It's like on average.
	On average monthly.
	Yeah.
	The most I made was like maybe like close to $10,000 a month, but that's not every month.
	Like sometimes it'll be $4,000.
	But probably, I mean, it might have been between $10,000 to $15,000 a month, like if the work is good, but sometimes the work isn't good and I only make $3,000 to $4,000.
	You know what I mean?
	But it changes per month.
	Is it worth it?
	For me, I think it is because, I don't know, like I made the decision to do this job, and so I feel like it's worth it for me.
	$10,000 a month isn't that much money.
	Right.
	Oh, yeah, completely.
	Like, some people, like, they make $500,000 a month or a million a month.
	But like this field, it's like so competitive with the internet now that I just feel the need to like compete.
	So even if I'm not the best, even if I'm not like the top person, I just feel the need to continue because I am competitive and I want to just like keep pursuing it until I feel like I don't want to do it anymore.
	You know?
	You know, I'm young, you know.
	Sorry.
	I was going to ask what your goals are like within the industry.
	Right now, my goals with the in like just like online are like with porn.
	Like for me, it's kind of just like I really want to be like contracted to a brand because that means a lot for like, you know, branding and like you get a certain, like you get a guaranteed amount of money per month.
	But other than that, I'm just working on growing my audiences on all of my platforms because that's what matters the most, you know?
	When I don't have the mainstream porn income, I have my OnlyFans that I could work on or my camming I could work on.
	So, yeah.
	Are you worried about long-term consequences?
	I'm not worried about the long-term consequences only because of how many people are in adult content.
	Let's say in 20 years, like usually when people bring up consequences, they usually bring up things like having children or going into a different field.
	For me personally, I don't see myself doing a job where I would be judged for that.
	And as far as kids or anything in the future, like I use a stage name, like, I mean, I'm not planning to have kids for a while, so it would just not really matter at that point.
	There's so many people in the industry now.
	Okay.
	Can I add to that?
	I find it very interesting, like you sharing your story, because people like me have like never met really a porn star and like heard their stories like that.
	So I think it's very interesting just to hear like different perspectives, especially people that are not really like exposed to like never really met like you know people like that.
	So it's definitely very interesting.
	Hold on.
	Aren't you involved?
	Don't you do OAP?
	I mean I have OnlyFans, but I'm not.
	That's porn.
	No, it's like Playboy, I feel like.
	Wait, but you did an interview with Adam 22.
	You have a Playboy's porn.
	Well, no, I know I did Adam 22, but I'm saying like he's a pornographer.
	No, I'm saying like woman perspective.
	I've never met like woman perspective.
	How long have you lived in LA for?
	Well, I just moved here from Nashville.
	So, and then I'm from Clearwater.
	So, I mean, I know Adam for a long time, but I just, I don't know.
	It's like interesting hearing somebody who don't really know that well.
	But have you ever had a roster?
	I mean, kind of, but probably like last year.
	Okay.
	Not really since then.
	How big was it?
	Probably like two to three people, honestly.
	Okay.
	Keep it here, Nick.
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	Okay.
	Right now, Brian's debating on whether or not to fire Maddie because that was definitely your fault.
	All Maddie's fault.
	All Maddie's fault.
	Andrew, what am I doing wrong today?
	I just want to blame you.
	Everything is my fault.
	I feel like we need a bag man around here, somebody to just blame everything on.
	I volunteer.
	She's the fall guy.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	All right.
	Relationship status?
	I'm single.
	I'm single, but like I like somebody.
	Okay.
	How long have you been liking somebody?
	A week.
	Okay.
	Long time.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Two and a half.
	Before you started liking this guy, how long had you been single for?
	I've been single since February 17, 2023.
	So like a year and a half?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And this is the first guy who's ever come into the picture since then.
	No.
	There's been other guys.
	Yeah, there's been one, like one that was like, ah, you know?
	Like, I really did like him, but he really broke my heart.
	So I don't like to talk about him, but I'm going to talk about him.
	So, well, how long were you seeing the guy who broke your heart?
	For six months.
	Six months?
	Yeah, like we met each other's family.
	When was that end?
	January.
	You said you were single for one.
	Oh, he wasn't, but he never asked me to be his girlfriend.
	So, like, she said a special connection.
	This is why when a girl says she's single, she's fucking at least three dudes.
	No, yeah, for sure.
	Girl who says there's a girl always has a dude in the picture.
	She said, no, yeah, for sure.
	For sure.
	So she agrees.
	Like, I wasn't with him for six months and didn't do anything.
	Wait, what?
	Like, I wasn't just with him for six months and like didn't like, you know, fuck.
	Obviously, fucked.
	I'm not going to go six months.
	Yeah, but like, you weren't seeing.
	I feel like you're not being blunt with us.
	I'm not being blunt.
	No, just because, I mean, you said you were single.
	You've been single for 1.5 years, but you dated a guy for six months a little more recently than that.
	So that's just my – that's where I'm at.
	Well, it's because the thing is, is that I lived with my two-year, like the two-year relationship one, I lived with him.
	The recent one, I didn't live with him, and that was never official.
	It was more kind of like we were like, you know, messing around.
	We met each other's family, but never did he go out of his way and be like, hey, be my girlfriend.
	It's a special connection.
	Yeah, special connection.
	Special connection.
	Wait, as part of your journey.
	He met your parents, but you don't const.
	That doesn't constitute his no, not really, because my relationship with my parents doesn't, like, I don't even have a relationship with them.
	So it was kind of like, oh, you have to do that because you have to.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, like, I made him meet my parents because I was living with them at the time, but now I don't.
	So if I would have, if he were to come back into my life now, it would be great.
	I mean, I don't want him to, though.
	Wait, that definitely sounds like you do.
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	I. 100% sounds like you do.
	I don't.
	It would be great.
	No, like if, so he left me because of my family problems.
	So, like, now if he were to come back into my life, it would be better.
	It would be different.
	You know?
	But you don't.
	But I don't want him back in my life because he left me because he was a weak person and couldn't stand.
	Like, hey, you have family problems.
	I'll help you through it.
	Oh, okay.
	Hang on.
	You know what I mean?
	Hang on.
	So he's not here, so I'm going to devil's advocate on his behalf.
	Okay.
	What did he do that was so terrible?
	He didn't do nothing terrible.
	He was a really good person.
	But he left me because of my own.
	How does he wait calling him weak?
	Because he's weak.
	He left me because of the people who are not.
	Why he's weak.
	He just said he was a great person.
	No, he was a good person, but he left me.
	I have a question.
	In each instance where a woman breaks up with a man, is that evidence of her being weak?
	Or is it that?
	No, actually.
	So if a guy breaks up with a girl, it's because he's weak, but if a girl breaks up with a guy, it's because she's strong.
	No, I think it's neither.
	It's all case-by-case basis.
	Yeah, it's fair.
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	Okay, so back to what you were saying about how it's weak if a girl breaks up or whatever you said.
	So he left you because you were having sounded like you're going through a really crazy time.
	Yes.
	And he didn't want to deal with it.
	What was this crazy time you were going through?
	Basically, like my parents, they live together, but they're not together, but they're only together for the kids.
	And just a lot of like, you know, just crazy stuff at my house.
	You know.
	Which he was having to deal with.
	Yes, when he would come over.
	And like we would just be in my room, but you would still hear everything.
	And he didn't want to deal with it anymore.
	No.
	Which I like, I understand, like, I know I say weak, but at the same time, I understand.
	Which is why I say he's not a bad person.
	Yeah, because he didn't want to deal with a bunch of bullshit, right?
	Exactly.
	That's why.
	That seems fair.
	Okay, but he's an only child coming from an only, like, you know, he's only child, so he doesn't know what the struggles are of being in a household of eight people.
	Well, why does he need to?
	That's why he doesn't need to.
	He's just like, I don't want to deal with any of this bullshit.
	Okay, and that's him.
	He's weak then.
	How's that weak?
	Because he is.
	That's just my opinion.
	Because if he's not going to be able to do that, he's not going to deal with it.
	Really?
	No, because.
	No, because the thing is that he broke up with me January 6th.
	We spent Christmas together like nothing happened.
	Let's not bring the insurrection into this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Keep going, keep going.
	Alleged.
	Alleged.
	That has not been demonstrated.
	But anyway.
	He basically made me base like $1,000 on Christmas and broke up with me right after.
	So he made me get everything he wanted for Christmas and then broke up with me.
	Wait, he like made you?
	What do you mean by that?
	He was like, oh, I want.
	This dude's alleged.
	Dude.
	I would sue him.
	Wait, sue him?
	It builds character.
	I would like just sue him just to sue him.
	What do you mean?
	Emotional distrust.
	Wait, hold on, wait, hold on.
	Let's.
	I'm being funny, but like, I would just do it just for like revenge if someone did that to me.
	Sounds like he deserved the thing.
	Someone did that to me.
	So she, okay, you bought him presents.
	Yeah, I got him essentials outfits, PS5, PS5 controller for Christmas.
	And then a couple, like two weeks later, he broke up with you.
	Yes.
	January 6th.
	We were supposed to go on a sushi date.
	But hold on.
	Yeah, but hold on.
	And the shoes.
	So going to this suing thing, got to keep it.
	I'm just curious, why would you sue a guy for breaking up with you?
	No, like, I am not that.
	I can't say that.
	I don't even know what it's like to be in that position.
	So, like, I don't know.
	Like, that's beyond.
	To be in what position?
	Spend a bunch of money on a guy than he breaks up with you.
	I was down bad.
	You mean what men do to women all the time?
	Not stop.
	Maybe I'm just like in a good relationship.
	I don't know.
	I can't even picture that.
	But anybody at any time can choose to exit a relationship.
	Exactly.
	Even after they've received some sort of.
	Hey, yeah, what's he going to do?
	If you're like, oh, okay, baby.
	I know that this sucks, but you did buy me a PS5.
	That's what menu is.
	It was a gift.
	It was a gift.
	Anything before that?
	There's no compensation or anything.
	The thing is, I never got a hard time with you.
	Under what legal theory?
	Hold on.
	Under what legal theory?
	Like, what claim would you bring?
	Some bullshit claim, probably.
	What would be just paper terrorism, basically?
	Yes, yes, basically.
	I'm very sue happy.
	You're sue happy?
	I'm very sue happy.
	You've like sued people before?
	Yeah.
	For what?
	Well, I can't legally talk about everything that happened because I signed an NDA, but that's how I bought my house, basically.
	Secure that PNF.
	Was this through lawfare?
	No, it was, I almost got killed while getting arrested.
	Oh, so you sued the police department?
	No, I sued a company.
	There was a company renting out stolen vehicles to customers.
	And I actually was visiting Los Angeles.
	I can't disclose the company.
	No, no, no, I understand.
	And yeah, so I got arrested by the police and they pulled me over.
	They pulled a gun on me.
	They beat the crap out of me.
	It was two men.
	And they threw me in jail.
	And I got out.
	And I saw an ad on Instagram and was like, are you a victim of this?
	Clicked it.
	And it's really sad.
	It's a class action lawsuit.
	Yeah.
	Well, basically, what happened with the other people in the lawsuit, they didn't read the contract in the lawsuit.
	And a lot of them were like sitting in jail for like up to a year, having babies in jail.
	Like a lot of bad things.
	And they got a settlement money, but because they didn't read what the lawyer put and they didn't have a team of lawyers to get that money, they got all of the money taken from them.
	The victims, yeah.
	But I was the only one that got my money because I had lawyers.
	Yeah, but that's all I can say.
	That sounds like a way different situation than you bought me a PS5, though.
	Just saying slightly different.
	That sounds like a legitimate lawsuit.
	Yeah.
	I mean.
	Not a, hey, I just bought you all this stuff for Christmas and now you're leaving me.
	So I'm going to go get a lawyer.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I would do that.
	Like, but I'm not in that.
	Really?
	I'm just really petty.
	You got it.
	I feel like I was.
	You're just into the mic.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah, I'm very petty.
	Well, that's really petty.
	Yeah.
	Thank God that's never happened to me.
	I feel bad for you.
	I'm sorry.
	So if a guy breaks up with a girl, like to be petty, you would file a frivolous lawsuit.
	And just depending on the situation.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	Not in my personal life at what it happened.
	I would because I'm sure there's situations that do qualify for fun.
	I mean, I want you to listen to this out loud.
	You're not going to leave me or I'll sue you.
	That's sad.
	Does that sound like?
	You know, like, if the girls spend a lot of money on the guy, like, if she's spending like thousands of dollars.
	That's her choice to leave.
	I mean, that is her choice.
	Yeah, like that's crazy though.
	That's my fault.
	Yeah, I'm gonna stick beside it Also, I got my card keyed by a guy I was talking to Okay, I think you can sue for that Yeah, you can why it's because I was outside So you didn't listen to him?
	He's not my boyfriend.
	I should not be listening to him.
	So what he didn't want you to like go out or something?
	Basically, yeah.
	He went out so he keyed your car.
	Yeah I'm just still trying to figure out under what legal principle you would are all these fucking people.
	No, if a girl spent hypothetically, if you know a girl spent a lot of money on a guy, I'm talking about thousands of dollars.
	Let's say it's 50,000.
	50,000.
	I mean Billy Red on a Tuesday is 2000.
	She spends 50 grand and on Wednesday he wakes up and he goes, get the fuck out.
	I don't want to be with you anymore.
	What would actually be the problem with that?
	There's situations like that.
	Like Billy Ray Saris, he's suing his wife because she spent like $70,000 on the credit card that he authorized to give her and now he's suing all of them.
	Hold on, that's a totally different situation.
	First off, there's probably an entire divorce proceeding that's going on.
	That's probably a component of their divorce proceeding.
	In this case, there's no legal relationship between the parties if you're just boyfriend, girlfriend, assuming you're in a state where there's not common law marriage, in which this doesn't apply in this scenario.
	How long were you dating the guy?
	Which one?
	The guy who dumped you after you bought him the six months.
	Okay, so but in so in your view, if a girl's been dating a guy for six months and she buys him things, they're not married, you think that a legal claim can be brought up?
	I have no idea.
	I'm not in that situation.
	Right, but I've never done a frivolous situation.
	I would do it just to do it.
	Just to be like.
	You would intentionally bring a frivolous lawsuit and just waste?
	Hypothetically, yes.
	So just a vexatious lawsuit, essentially.
	I spent a lot of money, hypothetically, yes.
	Wouldn't you spend more money doing the lawsuit?
	No, but that's not the point.
	She's saying that she's a vindictive person, right?
	Yeah.
	That's what she said.
	Yeah.
	So she's like, I know it's petty and vindictive, but I'm going to do it anyway.
	Yeah, basically.
	But I'm not in that situation.
	None of that.
	What do you think if we just reverse the genders, though?
	So if it was a man who bought a girl a bunch of gifts, she was no longer happy in the relationship, no longer satisfied.
	Two weeks later, after he bought her a nice, I don't know, necklace or whatever it is, you know, whatever.
	$1,000, $2,000, you think that's their prerogative if they want to do it.
	But justifiable for the man in that situation to file a justifiable for a man to file a frivolous and vexatious lawsuit?
	I feel like that's his prerogative.
	He can do whatever he wants.
	And that's exactly, you know, if he wants to do that, go for it.
	So, wait, hold on, just to be clear.
	So let me just remove relationships entirely from this conversation.
	Do you think people are justified in general to file frivolous and vexatious lawsuits against people?
	If it makes sense.
	Okay, so in order to succeed on a legal claim...
	For, like, petty revenge.
	No.
	Sure, petty revenge.
	Like, I'm just saying, like, never happened to me.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, but okay, in order to succeed on a legal claim, you need to actually have a cause of action.
	Probably just, you know, you can put them through hell, you know, worrying and stuff like that.
	So I'm not sure.
	Are you trolling?
	I mean, that won't happen to me.
	So I'm just, I feel like I'm not trolling.
	No, I don't think she's trolling.
	I think she's banned.
	I would do that just to like make somebody's life miserable, even if I were to lose.
	Even if they minorly inconvenienced you in some way?
	No, I'm talking about like finances, like relationship.
	Like if a girl were to spend like a lot of money, but okay, have you, how many like relationships would you say you've had over the course of your life?
	Not many, but like I'm with my boyfriend, I have 50-50 with you and your boyfriend?
	Yes, it is 50-50.
	Have you ever had a relationship where the guy was more so providing, getting you gifts and you weren't?
	Not really.
	I was like alone for like a year before my boyfriend.
	So we've been dating for like a year.
	We had a kid, but we're planning on getting married, but just like we can't agree on a venue and stuff like that.
	But before that, I was alone for a year because I had, you know, bought my house in Nashville and I had moved there and I didn't know anyone.
	And I was literally just like at music classes like a couple days a week.
	And I would just literally come home after that and like sit and play guitar and be with my dogs.
	It was very depressing just for one year.
	I mean, not to boil this down to like a legal podcast, but like if you willingly and maliciously bring a legal action without any merit and you do so for sort of frivolous and vexatious reasons, they can actually, they can then go after you and seek.
	Totally not a good idea.
	They can seek, they can seek attorney's fees.
	They can seek what's it called?
	Maybe isn't that defamation?
	It would be definitely a lot of fun.
	Maybe I'd just do small claims.
	It's a frivolous lawsuit.
	Anyways, so I don't think we it's not going to happen.
	I'm just, you know, this is funny to me, you know.
	Okay, relationship status.
	I have a boyfriend.
	I just had a kid a month ago.
	All right.
	We've been together for a year and we are planning the wedding, but he wants to get married in San Francisco because that's where he's from.
	I want to get married in Las Vegas.
	And so it's not really, he wants to have all his family there.
	And I'm.
	We'll sue each other and see who wins.
	No, but I just, I rather just have it like very small and intimate, like with our child and my family, like my intimate family.
	But he wants to invite like.
	Wait, how long have you been dating him?
	A year.
	But I have a child with him.
	How long did you known him for a year or two?
	No, no, no.
	I've known him for four years.
	But you only started dating.
	Yeah, dating him for a year.
	But he, you know, he was like an acquaintance.
	Like, I would hang out with him in a group and stuff like that.
	But there was never like a point to like maybe like a year and some months ago where we're like, hey, like, we've never really like hung out alone.
	And then we like planned.
	So, question.
	I mean, had you, had you guys had hooked up?
	No, never.
	Okay, so started dating.
	Like two months into the relationship you got pregnant?
	No.
	Two, three months.
	Yeah, like a couple months, yeah.
	But I told him straight up.
	I told him it wasn't an accident.
	I said, listen, I'm looking for a serious relationship.
	I'm 26 years old.
	I was 25 at the time.
	And I was very open and honest.
	And I said, I do want to start a family.
	And I already knew him for a while.
	So all the girlfriends that he had prior, two, three-year relationships, a five-year relationship.
	And I knew that he was like the type of guy that was not only a good guy, but he was holding, you know, serious relationships.
	And I told him from the start, you know, I want to have kids.
	I want to get married.
	This is what I want.
	I want to start my life.
	You know, I'm not happy sitting alone in Nashville.
	You know?
	What's wrong with him wanting to get married in front of his family, though?
	What?
	Oh, well, it just, there's nothing wrong with it.
	It just, I'd rather just go to Vegas.
	You know, he wants to invite every aunt, every cousin, every friend.
	It's fine.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it just, and then he wants to get married like in a church and all this stuff.
	He's a bastard.
	I'd rather.
	Church and family?
	That son of a bitch.
	Man, this guy.
	I love him so much.
	I love him to death.
	Wants to like already, yeah.
	I just feel like how dare he stare.
	He's so out of line.
	He wants his aunts.
	Rude.
	Aunts, uncles, family, and a church.
	What is this?
	I just feel like it's cute.
	I just feel like Vegas would be more fun.
	And I just want to get married with the Elvis impersonator.
	My daughter's name is Priscilla.
	So, I mean, I'm a big Elvis fan.
	So I just, you know, I thought it would be really cute.
	It's like a reverse Uno card.
	It's like you want to go have a shitty wedding and he wants to have a real wedding.
	I guess.
	I mean, I just, I feel like it'd be fun to, like, you know, my cousin's like one of my best friends, like, you know, how my cousin's out with me in Vegas.
	Oh, yeah.
	But his aunts and uncle, that says Bridge too.
	You know, they could come, but I mean, they're not invited.
	Wait, you want to go to Vegas so you can party?
	I would like to party after the wedding with him, yeah.
	And your friends?
	Well, my cousins, yeah.
	Typically, after a wedding, you have a honeymoon that's typically not spent with Vegas anymore.
	I don't know.
	I just love Vegas, and I just feel like that would be a fun wedding.
	So I know how dare he wanted a traditional wedding.
	I know, that bastard.
	What's the longest relationship you've ever had?
	Just with him, like a year.
	Oh, sorry.
	Just with him, like a year.
	But I was prior to that.
	So I was alone for one year.
	Literally, just going to music classes, coming back.
	I was actually rescuing dogs.
	I was rescuing dogs for like a year, basically, before that.
	You were a dog mom.
	Yeah, I had like three dogs to five dogs in my house at a time, just like taking care of them, and then also going to like music school.
	But it was temporary.
	Like, I only had three dogs.
	Now I only have one.
	Hold on.
	Can we arrive at the point here?
	Yeah, before that, I mean, for a year, I was single.
	Before that, I was really single, not really talking to anyone, too.
	So I guess like two years, really just alone and not even dating anyone, just single.
	And the year before that, I did try to date somebody, but it didn't work out.
	And he just told me he wasn't like looking for anything serious.
	And then once we broke up, he got a girlfriend.
	But honestly, I truly believe everything happens for a reason.
	And now I have a beautiful daughter.
	I have a family.
	I was very excited.
	It's all part of the journey, man.
	Yeah.
	But I guess, yeah, I'm really happy with him and my daughter.
	And my family is involved now.
	So I noticed you have some neck tattoos.
	What's that one that's right in the center?
	This one, it's an eight ball.
	I just thought it looked cool when I was 22.
	I don't know.
	Like, is there a meaning?
	No.
	There's like no meaning.
	There's another one on the side of your neck.
	Yeah.
	I just, so, like, when I was, I have a few.
	But when I was like 21, 22, I never had tattoos.
	And I met this tattoo artist, and he was like, if you give me a shout out on Instagram, I'll do all your tattoos for free.
	And I was like, okay, why don't I spice myself up?
	And then I've had tattoo removal over 50 times.
	So, yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah.
	It's so expensive.
	Wait, you got the tattoos, but then you were getting.
	Removed them like a few years later.
	I was like 21 when I started.
	I started tattoo removal at 23 and I'm still doing tattoo removal until this time.
	Relationship status for you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	How long have you been single for?
	18 years.
	All right.
	What's the extent of your relationship experience?
	I have one situationship like a month ago and it was, it lasted like a month.
	Are you going into your freshman year?
	Yeah.
	At UCSB?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You said you had one situationship, it was a month ago.
	How long did it last?
	About a month?
	One month.
	Okay.
	And that's the longest?
	Yeah.
	And when you say situationship, is it like that's the only guy you've ever had anything with?
	Yes.
	Like first kiss?
	Yes.
	First kiss?
	More?
	Was there more?
	No.
	Just kiss.
	Mm-hmm.
	A one-month kissing situationship.
	Okay.
	Any dating apps?
	No.
	Okay.
	Are you religious at all?
	No, not really.
	So you are.
	You're a virgin then?
	Yes.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	No.
	Not waiting, just waiting for the right guy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	How long have you guys been together?
	Four years and six months.
	All right.
	I'm assuming that's your longest relationship?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	So we've got everybody's relationship status.
	Certainly some interesting answers there.
	I did want to come back to you.
	Can you try to make sense of your.
	I still don't have any idea what's going on.
	Do you want to ask like a question that could like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So have you ever had like a one-night stand or anything like that?
	I don't really want to answer those questions.
	You don't want to answer.
	Like on camera, like in, you know, in this context.
	Isn't that within the purview of like dating and relationships though?
	Yeah, but to be fair, I did get recruited off the street.
	Like I didn't really know completely what it entailed.
	But I prefer keeping that.
	You told them dating and relationships, right?
	Okay.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So what dating and relationships things are you at liberty to discuss?
	Why don't you tell me what you tell me what you're at liberty to discuss?
	I would be open to discussing.
	I just honestly, I would prefer not to put a lot of my personal details out on the table like that.
	But I didn't expect that those questions would be asked like I have never seen this podcast.
	Sure.
	So it was just out of, you know, being a little naive and uninformed.
	Right.
	But it is like dating and you don't have to answer that specific question.
	It is just dating and relationship relevant.
	In any case, you said you've dated a guy on if you consider dating for eight months.
	That's the longest period of time.
	You've seen somebody, he asked you to be a girlfriend, you declined.
	How soon into the eight months did he ask you this question?
	The will you be my girlfriend question?
	Like at the towards the end, towards the last two months.
	Okay.
	Is that what caused the breakup that he wanted more?
	I guess you could say that, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so what are you looking for right now?
	Do you want something more serious or are you fine just kind of with the more casual stuff?
	I think that right now, actually, I Want to be single and not even have something casual with anyone.
	Um, just because I, like I mentioned earlier, I did just graduate, so I'm going through a lot of transformation in my life right now, and a lot of things that I want to tend to in my own mind that kind of nag at me.
	And I think that if a relationship were to happen, it would be outside of my expecting one.
	So, I'm actually single right now, at least in this month or so, because I'm also moving.
	Oh, yo, back underscore to underscore the underscore roots, donated one.
	Thank you, man.
	Pop champagne.
	Thank you, Brian, Andrew, and the crew for doing what you do.
	Yo, thank you, bro.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you for a great YouTube channel, by the way.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the pop for the pop.
	Here, I need honestly, only me and Andrew are allowed to drink this show.
	Can you get me a like a hand towel or something?
	Why are the girls not allowed to drink?
	Well, we have people who are not of age.
	And if I give you a bit of this super pricey champagne, maybe the more juicy details are.
	She saw the champagne.
	I'm 22.
	We can share.
	Okay, well, I get this fucking thing opened.
	What the fuck?
	Where's the tab, bro?
	Oh, I found it.
	Okay, I think it was tucked.
	Andrew, you want to take over for a cookie?
	A little bit?
	Well, so I've still hung up on the conditionals of one of these special connections.
	I know it was a bit silly, but it's because a lot of the relationships that I've had with people have been quite complicated.
	And that's, it just comes back to actually flaws in my own personality that sometimes are a bit, what's the word?
	What's the word when you kind of like?
	Like crazy?
	You're crazy, son.
	Am I crazy?
	No, I'm not crazy.
	Like avoidant.
	That's exactly what a crazy lady would say, by the way, right?
	I'm not crazy.
	All right, all right.
	So back to back to the conditional.
	I think I get it.
	I think I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying, look, it's complex, these different situationships, these different types of relationships.
	Situationships.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I was explaining it a little interesting, but no, yeah, like a situationship where it's like, I don't really know how to feel about it.
	And I also tend to avoid certain things because, yeah, just my inability to meet people there.
	So, yeah.
	I hope that kind of provides some clarity.
	Yeah, I mean, kind of.
	I think the reason Brian's trying to get into details, and I get what you're saying, you don't want to put your personal life on the table.
	That's fair.
	But maybe you can kind of walk us through a little bit of the background without doing too many of those hyper-specific details and kind of generalities, right?
	That way we can understand better.
	Because it's flitty, right?
	It sounds flitty, like a bit evasive.
	I feel like I would need a question to kind of like to know where to go.
	Because I have had like experiences with multiple people, but it's complicated because of the circumstances that the relationship starts on.
	So it's like we're about to graduate, we're about to move, maybe there is someone else in the picture.
	Maybe we're friends.
	Maybe we work together.
	And so these things kind of, it's like a Blockage between me and someone else really fully being so this last thing.
	This last elongated relationship you had.
	Well, not a relationship because there was no label, right?
	Yeah, cheers.
	There's no label.
	He wants the label.
	You say no.
	Well, that wasn't the last one.
	The last one that I was exclusive with for four months, that was actually so bad.
	So bad.
	And also, he like lived in New York.
	And actually, I wanted more.
	So bad.
	It was really.
	He was like quite a bit older than me.
	And I was inexperienced in many ways.
	And I was exposed to a lot of new experiences through him.
	And it put me in a lot of dangerous situations.
	And he wanted it to be more.
	And I wanted it to be more.
	I wanted it to be more.
	Right.
	And then it didn't.
	So the guy who wanted something to be more with you, fuck that guy, the guy you're in dangerous situations with, you want more.
	Right.
	That's what goes back to like me being a little fucked up too.
	Where that's why I prefer to be alone right now because I could see that, yeah, maybe my perception on what love is is a little fucked up.
	And I should probably work that out before I get into that.
	But isn't that pretty common that women?
	It is really common.
	No, I mean that women gravitate towards men who love bomb.
	They love bomb.
	Is it love bombing or is it?
	They love bomb for you.
	They love bomb for a week, buy you this, buy you that.
	And then it's like they do it to the next person the next week.
	And then again the next week.
	But didn't you love bomb your ex?
	I loved on him before he broke up with me.
	And he wasn't my ex.
	It was just some guy I talked to.
	He's irrelevant.
	Some guy that you were living with and sleeping with who definitely wasn't.
	First of all, that was the two-year one.
	Oh, my mistake.
	Yeah.
	He was there with me.
	Yeah, no.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	Wait.
	Was that the two-year-old?
	I thought you said that this last guy.
	Six months.
	Yeah, but you did.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	He came over to your house.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So he didn't, we don't live together.
	He would just go back and forth.
	Okay, but he broke up with you because of your family situation, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He did tell me it was nothing I did.
	And he cried about it.
	He cried to me about it.
	He said, I'm not the problem.
	You were definitely the problem.
	No.
	I mean, definitely the problem.
	No, I'm nice.
	Trust me.
	I'm like the coolest person.
	I feel like you might have been the problem.
	No.
	No?
	That doesn't sound right.
	No, of course not.
	Of course not.
	No.
	Well, we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	So let's see.
	Who do we start with?
	Well, actually, I guess I'll come back to you.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	Angel?
	Who's Angel?
	Oh, right.
	Okay, that's one of the flakes.
	God damn.
	All right.
	My notes out the table.
	Actually, she does have something.
	I'll pull it up really quick.
	Nick, could you pull up that photo?
	It's like the girl in the yellow shirt or whatever.
	She was supposed to be on the show today.
	She's flaked.
	I saw this on her Instagram.
	I thought Andrew would like it.
	Andrew, her t-shirt says Jesus loves you.
	Oh.
	All right, sorry.
	No, Jesus loves.
	He loves porn.
	Porn stars, excuse me.
	Andrew, does I don't, I'm not an expert.
	Does Jesus love porn stars?
	Yeah, Jesus loves everybody.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Sex is natural.
	But no, no, no.
	That's now you just now you just went over the threshold.
	You went over the threshold.
	Yes.
	Jesus will still love you, but that doesn't mean you should be a porn star.
	Right?
	That's not within the purview of Christian ethics.
	So, yeah, no, it would still be a big no on that.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, I just thought I'd bring it up.
	I actually will do her notes really quick because fuck it.
	She said she's had a couple boyfriends steal money from her.
	One stole $2,000, the other stole $20,000.
	Honestly, though, I think she deserves it because she flaked on us.
	She deserved it.
	You can't say anything because it's petty and vindictive, and you like that shit.
	Yeah, that's right.
	She deserved it.
	Totally.
	She inconveniences.
	If you guys feel like that, you guys feel she inconvenienced us.
	I think it's justified.
	This is a post-hoc justification.
	The thefts are justified because even though that happened in the past, she inconvenienced us.
	So, anyways, she also says, I don't know.
	I'm curious how much pussy he gets.
	I don't know if this is Andrew or to me.
	This is one of her notes.
	She's curious how much pussy we get.
	Unfortunately, she's not here, but it's not clear to me, even if me and Andrew were both Giga Chat virgins, how would that diminish any of the things that we say or the arguments or the positions that we have?
	In any case, that's a good question.
	Thank you, Angel, for not being here.
	So, going to Cece.
	Cece, that's you.
	Okay.
	You said you caught your ex picking up a hooker.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Not sure why.
	Not sure why that came up.
	My elbow bumped it.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I hate Andrew Tate because his name's Andrew.
	The one that picked up a hooker.
	His name's Andrew.
	His name is Andrew.
	Wait, I didn't mean to say that out loud, but yeah, that's his name.
	Cancel him.
	So, your ex, you caught your ex picking up a hooker.
	Yes.
	You want me to tell you the story?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So basically, one night we were home, we always used to fight all the time.
	He left the house one night.
	He has two phones, an iPhone, like two track phones, whatever.
	He left one home.
	And then I turned his location on on the phone he left home.
	He was going to the bank.
	From the bank, he went.
	I don't know if you guys ever been to Arizona, but there's Bethany Home Road in 27th. Ave.
	It's like Figueroa.
	Thank you for sharing the exact street corner.
	It's like the Gueroa.
	It's where the prostitutes are.
	Yes, the hookers.
	Like multiple.
	Like loads of them.
	Loads.
	Loads.
	Like he left the load for them, you know?
	Anyways, if you know what I mean.
	Are you talking about the Jaculet?
	She said, you're talking about that.
	Yes, yeah.
	So when I pulled up, are you talking about a Jacolet?
	Yeah.
	Just checking.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So when I pulled up to him, so I told my best friend to drive me to his location.
	He didn't know I was going.
	So I saw his truck there, and there was like, you know, a couple hookers around his car.
	Yeah.
	And then I swung, I like, kind of like, this is his car, and I parked right in front of it so he couldn't like leave.
	So I like yanked his door open, and then he had cash in his lap.
	And you know how, like, when you do the dirty in the car, the car smells, you know, like the dirty, like after.
	I don't know if you guys been in that, but I mean, if like you premature ejaculate, it's not that bad.
	Yeah, no, but like he had somebody in the car.
	You're not gonna like build up a sweat.
	So, okay.
	I don't know.
	He's so stank.
	Yeah, it's stank, like, you know, whatever, but who see.
	But yeah, he basically.
	So he was already on round two?
	Probably going to be.
	Maybe round three, four.
	I don't know.
	Borja had a lot of cash.
	Didn't prostitutes do that?
	They do round two?
	No, he just got to go to like five different prostitutes.
	Like he said, or she said they're.
	They charge by the hour, so I guess if you like, you like you try to come quick.
	Some charge by the hour, some charge by like what you do.
	Is there by the nut?
	What's the nut?
	I don't know.
	I'd love to ask him how much she charged him.
	Because, like, what if they buy an hour, but like, the guy's like super quick?
	Does he still get the hour?
	Like, can he make her wash his car or some shit?
	I don't know.
	I wonder.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you think you could, like, if you're trying to get a prostitute, like, you don't actually want her to have sex with you?
	You just pay her rate to wash your car or some shit.
	You think she'd do it?
	Yeah.
	I think she would.
	I think she would.
	No.
	I'm pretty sure she would wash.
	Huh?
	Go to a car wash.
	That can do real work.
	Come on.
	You don't think so?
	I don't know.
	I'm just curious.
	There's tons of people who have gone out and tested that.
	There's videos all over YouTube of them.
	They say no?
	Yeah, they say no.
	You know what we should do, Andrew?
	We should go.
	I'm definitely not doing whatever.
	Hear me out for this.
	Whatever it is.
	Hear this out.
	Okay.
	We go, but we challenge them to a game of chess, and we'll pay them their rate, but we just play chess with them.
	And if they're not smart enough, we'll bring checkers.
	But what if one of them beats me?
	My ego could never recover from that.
	But you sue.
	What if she's like 100% sue her elo?
	What is it?
	The ELO rating or whatever?
	So, hang on.
	Your big plan is to go play chess with hookers?
	Sounds great.
	You don't like it?
	Not.
	Andrew, there's a couple.
	There's about, is it Figaro's?
	Andrews are pretty.
	Hey, Andrews are pretty good with hookers, so go for it.
	What's the street in Santa Barbara?
	No, we're really good with chess.
	There's Hayley Street.
	He was just there in the Haley Street.
	Haley Street.
	There's a hooker's in Santa Barbara?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, at the.
	Did you used to work the strip club?
	I don't know.
	But one of my friends, she was a hooker.
	No, no, no.
	Her ex-boyfriend cheated on her with hookers at this Chinese massage place.
	Why you got to go to Chinese under the business?
	It's infamously known for giving massages.
	Happy endings.
	Happy endings, exactly.
	I went one time to a place for a legit massage, but then they tried to do more.
	I'm like, get your hands away from that.
	What's that with you?
	No, I was legit trying to get a massage.
	I didn't know it was like their cheating.
	Yeah, right.
	May I ask something?
	Where do you guys find these people that cheat on you with hookers?
	Oh, I found my man or my ex on.
	He was.
	His mom was best friends with my aunt since before me and him were born.
	So they set us up.
	Oh, okay.
	Because I've never, like, not even in my circle do I know someone that's been cheated on or has slept with a hooker.
	Like, I think that's something so specific.
	Well, it's because he's a sex addict.
	Thank you, Michael.
	Wait, so did you finish the story, though?
	So you confronted him, right?
	Yeah.
	Did you tell us that part or no?
	So yeah, I did confront him.
	So when I opened the car door, I was like, what the hell are you doing?
	He was like, he honestly wasn't shocking.
	He was like, oh, like, let's go home, talk about it, da-da-da.
	Like, completely manipulated the situation.
	So I got in the car, we went home.
	And then as soon as we got home, he started cussing me out.
	Like, he ripped the phone out of my hand.
	You know, he was like, you know, like, why, like, why are you going through my phone?
	You're crazy.
	Like, how'd you find where I was?
	And, you know, one thing led to another and stuff like that.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean one thing led to another?
	Just, you know, boys.
	You were kind of gesturing like you did like a that.
	Yeah.
	Did you fuck him up?
	No.
	Did you smack him around?
	No, the other way around.
	Like, instead of me hitting me, he hit you after he fucked a prostitute?
	Yeah.
	Damn, that's heavy.
	And he almost pushed me down my stairs.
	And how long did you stay with him after that?
	I left the week after.
	I just couldn't come back here because I didn't have my own car.
	So I had to wait to get paid to come back.
	You should have gone and fucked a prostitute.
	That's what you should have done.
	I don't know.
	I just know he needs to get tested or something because I don't know.
	Bro's weird.
	Are there male prostitutes?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I would just pant him on Instagram.
	But do girls need it.
	Like, can't girls get dicked anytime?
	It's probably like gay guys who are prostitutes.
	No, but I mean like straight male prostitutes that fuck chicks.
	Is that a thing?
	I have no idea.
	Where's the thing?
	Attractive woman?
	Probably like the magic menu.
	Even unattractive women can get dick pretty easy.
	I don't know, maybe just a really dull bag of women.
	Women have getting sex on easy mode.
	I mean, there's sugar mamas.
	So that's a thing.
	It's rare, though.
	Find me a sugar mama.
	I'll take a sugar mama.
	Where's the sugar mamas?
	I feel like.
	You want to be my sugar mama?
	No.
	I charge all of them.
	I'm keeping all the money.
	I'm keeping it all for myself.
	My allowance is Ryan.
	Your degeneracy tonight is.
	Sorry, I told 10.
	I swear 10.
	DJ.
	Bro took two shots of starting off in sugar.
	Dude, I'm a lightweight.
	I don't drink.
	You don't hear me slurring my words.
	Okay, anyway.
	In truth, in wine, there is truth, Brian.
	Andrew, I'm just having a little banter.
	It's just a little banter.
	Do you want to be my sugar mama?
	It's a little banter.
	Bring Brian some more champagne.
	She's 15.
	And what does that have to do with it?
	You want a 19-year-old sugar mama?
	Yeah, you're doing well, yeah?
	I ain't giving you no money.
	It ain't for you.
	Wait, but so wait for me.
	I'm just curious.
	What's the objection?
	Is it just because, like, she's 19, so she doesn't have money?
	Is that the objection?
	Or she's too young for me specifically?
	Yeah, like, how old are you?
	35.
	Yeah, she's, like, pretty young.
	What?
	Oh.
	Wait, just to be clear, I mean, but what if somebody was paying her to sleep with them?
	Would you have an objection to that?
	I didn't say anything about it.
	I think to each their own.
	I see.
	I know, but I'm bringing it up because I want to know, would you object to the chick who does corn next to you if she was getting paid to sleep with a 35-year-old versus date him?
	I think that I think that that's a moral dilemma.
	Well, yeah, that's why I'm asking the question.
	It's a moral dilemma.
	In order to be consistent, you either have to say yes in both cases or no in both cases, right?
	that's fair i think that it's a moral dilemma and i think that in certain ways side on this moral dilemma I would probably say that to each their own, but maybe I don't think that it's right either way.
	So you object to both?
	Low-key, yeah.
	High-key, yeah.
	But not necessarily.
	Like, I think I object to both.
	Low-key.
	I object to both.
	But at the same time, I get those super key.
	I object to both, but at the same time, I don't object to both because I believe in free will and that people are free to do as they please.
	And I actually won't judge someone for doing that.
	Maybe more likely if it's a 35-year-old man.
	Well, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Just to be clear.
	So I said nothing about sex at all.
	Simply sugar daddy.
	So she would just pay me money and she would get nothing in return, essentially.
	That's what women do.
	In any case, so you have an issue.
	Is that a moral dilemma?
	What does that mean?
	No, she wants to give him money.
	That's cool.
	But you said people have free will and they can do what they want, but not.
	Let's say she wanted to date a 35-year-old.
	It doesn't even have to be me.
	It could be somebody else, right?
	If she wanted to date the 35-year-old, would you object to her wanting to date the 35-year-old or to the 35-year-old wanting to date her?
	To the 35-year-old wanting to date her.
	Okay.
	It gives you the ick, doesn't it?
	No, because it just shows their maturity is low.
	Like, why would you want to date a teenager at 35?
	That makes no sense.
	Like, you mean an adult?
	I think that I say the latter because a 35-year-old man has more experience than a 19-year-old girl.
	A 25-year-old man.
	Huh?
	So does a 25-year-old man.
	Right, but like more than 10 years is like quite a bit.
	Have you ever dated a man who you had a 10-year gap with?
	Have you?
	See, I've noticed, I want to tell you this trend that I've noticed.
	I used to think that all of the women who said, I have zero moral argument to this whatsoever, and people should be allowed to do what they want, but I just think it's icky.
	I used to think that they were just dumb.
	And I'd be like, you got to just be dumb to believe that because you have no moral argument against it at all.
	So why do you believe?
	But then I figured this out after talking to so many of them.
	All of the ones who go, it gives me the ick, they've all been in an age gap relationship.
	Wait, did I say it gave me the age gap?
	Did you say?
	Yeah, you did kind of say it gave you the ick.
	What other objection could you have?
	No, it's not that it gives me the ick.
	It's that I think that there's a gap in knowledge and experience.
	There's a gap in knowledge and experience with people your own age.
	You can date somebody your own age, exactly your age, and they could be 10 times more sophisticated than you and dumber than the 35-year-old down the street.
	Right.
	But in that situation, it puts young girls at risk to be put in really negative, life-altering situations.
	Really?
	That as a man, you put that younger woman in that position.
	What position would this be?
	A position that maybe she was too naive to know she was getting herself into.
	Yeah, but she could be in that position no matter what.
	Right.
	But especially more likely the factor.
	Because of experience.
	Okay.
	In the UK, there's a department of statistics.
	They took all of the relationships ever, all of the marriages on record ever that they have.
	They wanted to see if the age gap relationships failed as much as the similar age relationships.
	They don't.
	They don't fail at any higher rate.
	They said there's no statistical anomaly between the two.
	How could that be if the sophistication is such that these men who are older, and they were talking 20 years in some of these gaps?
	Can you explain why it is that those relationships wouldn't fail any more than similar age relationships?
	So I don't want you to misinterpret me here because I'm not anti-age gap relationships, but I'm just saying that it puts you more in it.
	It puts, I think especially in America specifically, it's different because of the culture.
	And it puts younger women at more of a risk to be in situations that might leave them part I don't get.
	I don't understand why would it be a higher risk than dating somebody who's going and getting hookers at 22.
	What is this risk issue?
	May I ask a question?
	It's because the certain type of man who is 35 and has a relationship with a 19-year-old girl.
	Who clearly has no agency, by the way?
	It's no, definitely women do have agency, but especially young women, they have agency, but their lack of knowledge translates into a lack of wisdom.
	And often those women are a bit more naïve because of, like I said, their lack of experience.
	Also, as a 35-year-old man, when you can't obtain a relationship within your age dating pool, and you go for someone who's younger, maybe based on attractiveness, or maybe you guys do have certain things that are that similarities.
	At the same time, you're less.
	I find that 30 men who are older who go for women who are younger are less likely to actually be able to sustain a relationship with women in their age group.
	And I think that that goes for a certain level of manipulation, but that's not always the case because I don't believe in generalizing.
	Initial point, I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly, right?
	You have no objection to an age-gap relationship.
	No, I'm not.
	There's nuances, but I'm not objected.
	I've been in an age-gap relationship.
	Knew it.
	Hang on, hang on.
	So I was right.
	But that's why I'm not.
	You were in an age gap relationship.
	So that's why I'm saying that.
	So you're projecting.
	You're projecting, right?
	No, I'm speaking from experience.
	Was it a good experience?
	Or a bad experience?
	Bad experience, right?
	Go ahead.
	No.
	It was a good experience until it was a bad experience.
	Right, so it was a bad experience.
	Wait, I have so many questions every single time.
	By the way, I just want to point this out that I did call that, right?
	Yeah, but I'm speaking from experience.
	I'm sure you are.
	Hey, can you guys be quiet back there?
	Guys, we're in the middle of a show.
	Okay, so I'm a little, you said you had an age gap relationship.
	Yeah.
	What was the gap?
	It was over 10 years.
	It wasn't over 10 years.
	Here, tell us the gap.
	Just tell us the gap.
	It was nine years.
	Okay.
	How old were you?
	How old was the guy?
	I was 21, and the guy was 29, and then he turned 30, and I turned 22 shortly after.
	Okay.
	So you said that.
	Oh, man, slit my mind.
	Okay.
	So based on this negative experience, right, that you had with this guy, you're not in any way projecting that other people don't have similar experiences to that in an age gap relationship?
	No, I think that age, like, I think that those relationships could work.
	And this was actually the relationship that the exclusive relationship I was in for four months at the beginning of this year that I wanted to work, but I just found that.
	So you wanted there to be more.
	Right.
	And he said.
	What did he say again?
	No, he didn't say no.
	It just, it's complicated.
	How does he not say no?
	Because he kept trying to contact me, but I didn't let it continue further.
	I initially wanted it to be more until things went south, and then I cut it off.
	Okay.
	So in this age gap relationship where you wanted there to be more.
	Why did you want there to be more?
	Because he was really cool.
	Was that because he had more experience and was more sophisticated and had more money and all that stuff?
	Yeah.
	And he was really cool.
	He did cool.
	And you had agency to choose for that and you wanted more out of it, right?
	Right, but I was naive.
	I don't understand, though.
	He sounds like he was hyper-predatory.
	He's preying on a poor, helpless 21, 22-year-old girl.
	The experience gap was so wide, right?
	He was a super predator, right?
	No, he wasn't.
	He wasn't.
	He wasn't predatory at all, right?
	So this is my whole point.
	So when you kind of bring it up and you frame it, oh, these guys, they can't get anybody in their own age bracket.
	This guy couldn't get anybody in his own age bracket, really?
	Well, maybe he wanted to, but I guess he didn't have luck doing that.
	Or he just found a younger chick he thought was more attractive for him.
	I actually, I wanted to come in on the whole.
	So you made an argument about how men who are older who date younger women, they do it.
	One of the reasons they do it is because they're incapable of getting women their own age.
	I have a bit of a counter to this.
	I actually think a man who's attractive enough at 35 to date a 19-year-old is probably he's so attractive that he's able to, from just being able to date a 19-year-old, that the women in his age range are probably more attracted to him than to men that are incapable of securing romantic or sexual interest from 19, 20, 21-year-old women.
	Because typically, for a guy who's in his 30s to date like a 20, 21-year-old, he has to be really attractive to pull that off.
	Most men who are 35, 40, they're not attractive enough to pull off dating a 21-year-old.
	So actually, this whole argument of they're incapable of securing relationships from women in their whole age range, therefore they go for younger, more attractive, more desirable women, I think kind of falls flat on its face.
	I think it's very circumstantial to not generalize.
	And then also it's kind of this thing where the roles are reversed, right?
	Where when a girl is young, she kind of has a larger dating pool.
	And then as a man ages and gets more agency and money and maybe gets his priorities in check, the roles kind of reverse where now his dating pool is kind of expands.
	And as women age, maybe they don't have the same dating pool as when they were young.
	And maybe that's another reason why men date younger.
	But just kind of contradicted yourself.
	No, but it's because there's a gray area, you know, that if you can't generalize.
	Expansive dating pool.
	And then when men get older, they have an expansive dating pool.
	If the younger women's expansive dating pool would exclude all 35, 40-year-old men because theirs are the whitest at that point, why wouldn't they go for the men their own age?
	No, you bring up a really good point.
	I did contradict myself, but at the same time, I just want to end by saying that it's always circumstantial and it's hard to generalize.
	So I take back my generalization.
	It's easy to generalize.
	It's not productive to generalize.
	I think it is.
	I think it's productive to make general statements.
	Like, there's a bunch of palm trees outside.
	That's a pretty general statement.
	I didn't tell you how many, but you can agree that there's definitely a bunch of them out there, right?
	Can I add something?
	I want to say.
	I'll just finish the exchange.
	I think that it is even important to not generalize how important or how productive it can be to generalize.
	Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not.
	That's why I'm saying, like, you can't make a generalization about everything because context matters, circumstances matter.
	You can't.
	Personal experience matters.
	I agree with you in principle that you can't generalize everything.
	She can generalize a lot of things with a pretty good degree of accuracy.
	You live most of your life through generalization.
	True, but when it comes to conversations about men and women, there's a lot lost in translation when there's generalization.
	Immediately you are generalizing because you say men and women.
	Both of those are just general statements, right?
	We're not having a conversation about a specific woman, a specific man, but men and women.
	So aren't you generalizing?
	Yeah, it got me there.
	I got you.
	It's in terms about the conversations that you have within the niche.
	You have to see this gray area or else a lot is lost.
	You don't see, you get further from the truth.
	You're talking about new ones.
	Yeah, you get further from the truth the more that you generalize.
	Generally.
	It was that exactly.
	Was that statement?
	You get closer to the truth.
	You get further further from the truth the more you generalize.
	Did that come from one of these special connections?
	Did they teach you that?
	The truth now.
	Did they?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I want to 100% agree with what Brian said.
	And especially when you get to be my age, I'm 26.
	I'm the oldest one here right now.
	When I had a motherly instinct at 23, that, okay, I want to find somebody.
	Like, that's when I really started to feel like that.
	I want to find somebody that I can settle down with.
	And even with my relationship, I was, you know, very upfront of what I wanted.
	And as a woman, that gets, you know, it's to, and not all women, but for me, it was very important to me to find, you know, somebody to build a family with and a boyfriend before I'm 30.
	Because once you turn 30 as a woman, your dating pool, you know, gets really small.
	Because guys do want younger girls.
	That is the truth, especially if they have money and stuff.
	And guys, I feel like they can, you know, depending on the guy, nobody really, a guy can basically, you know, they can have kids as long as they want, especially the kid situation where, you know, as women get into her 30s, they have to do IVF, where men can keep having kids basically as long as they want.
	They can have natural births, but they're going to have a lot less of them.
	A lot less, yeah.
	And like my dad, he had kids with a woman that was significantly younger, and he's in his 50s.
	And the kid actually came out.
	How much younger?
	I think 17, 18 years.
	And I don't agree with it because I don't personally like her as a person.
	But the kid came out actually.
	Does that mean you don't agree with the age gap?
	No, I don't like her.
	I don't like her.
	Yeah, but their kid came out disabled.
	Because of how old she was?
	How old he was.
	He was like in his 50s.
	And how old was she?
	She was, I believe, 32 or 33.
	Well, why would you put in on him?
	I don't know.
	Maybe it could be both.
	I'm not sure.
	But I know that, you know, I'm not, I don't know their situation like that.
	But I do feel like, you know, woman, personally, me, my opinion is women should think about.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	So you gotta stop.
	You gotta stop.
	Why do you keep saying woman in lieu of women?
	Women, I think, should.
	Yeah, but why do you think women do that?
	Why do they say woman instead of women?
	I don't know.
	That's my bad.
	But I mean, is it, am I being super pedantic?
	But every time I have a conversation with modern women, they say woman as the plural version of women.
	Good point.
	I don't know.
	I didn't even think twice when I said that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You said it seven times.
	I didn't, I honestly didn't even think about that perspective.
	Just kidding.
	But I think, you know, to me, what was important was starting a family and finding somebody that I want to spend the rest of my life with.
	And, you know, not many women are like that.
	But, you know, when you get older, the dating pools of women get smaller.
	That's just my opinion.
	But not everyone has to agree with it.
	Okay.
	May I add an opinion to the topic?
	May I add my opinion onto the topic of the age gap?
	So I would argue that there's actually a lot of benefits to dating older because typically men mature more when they're older.
	I'm not sure, like someone can fact check this.
	Men are five to six.
	Is that true?
	Like years behind in the maturity.
	No.
	No, okay, then never mind.
	Don't use that.
	But it's commonly accepted that it used to be, so this is due to nourishment.
	A lot of this goes down to nourishment science.
	So it used to be that people didn't get as good of nourishment as they do now, right?
	Food was a little scarcer, this type of thing.
	People were shorter.
	IQs were lower.
	That happens.
	A lot of that is directly correlated with how well nourished you are when you're growing.
	So it used to be that women would get a lot of the lion's share of the food.
	They mature a lot quicker.
	So that's kind of where that stereotype comes from.
	Did you want to add more?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I would argue that there's a lot of benefits to dating older because I find that a lot of men, when they're young, they're not established in their career.
	And a lot of women go spend their youth, which is when they have the most dating value.
	So they spend their youth dating a man who has no money, provides no value to their life.
	No marriage, nothing, literally.
	And they're sleeping with them.
	And they get broken up with when the man finally establishes his career and feels secure, finds confidence in himself, and wants to kind of upgrade his girlfriend or starts looking, starts expanding his dating pool.
	And then the woman just wastes her youth and then they're left with nothing bringing value to their life.
	So I could argue that some girls can all, obviously we're all females, but I can argue that some girls as well, like, they'll be the ones that will use the guys for the money and then they'll come successful and the guy's just left with nothing.
	That you mean gold diggers?
	Yeah, but like relationship-wise.
	Yeah, but you're talking about specifically referencing gold diggers there, right?
	Yeah.
	The man has to have money for the woman.
	Well, typically, like, you know, if he doesn't have money to take advantage of, there's nothing there.
	So I'm talking about like in young relationships, there's it's not likely for a woman to like use the man and leave him with no money when he hasn't even established a career yet to be taken advantage of like that.
	Yeah, women don't usually date down.
	Can I add something?
	I was financially very established when I met my boyfriend, like when we started dating.
	And what about potential?
	Potential?
	Yeah, so there's two, there's kind of two theories behind this, right?
	And I think that they're both interconnected.
	Theory one is they're going after men who have higher resources.
	This is kind of biologically ingrained in women.
	It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint, let's say.
	The second is they also go after earning potential.
	Meaning, right now, maybe you're not making a lot, but I can tell based on personality, this, that, that you definitely will be.
	Yes.
	Like a man that has ambitions.
	Not just ambitions, but the potential to fulfill ambition.
	And like certain character traits that go along with successful people.
	Right.
	I would like to speak from my experience.
	I've been dating the person I'm with since I was 14 years old, and I definitely see a lot of potential in him because he is constantly working.
	He's investing.
	He hasn't made it yet, but I do believe he has extreme potential because he has discipline and he's an outlier to the majority of the young men population.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, that's great.
	I do like that.
	I mean.
	So you might have been, in other words, you might have been established and had money.
	Like you have this settlement, right?
	Successful channels, this kind of thing.
	He wanted a family.
	But are you saying that he doesn't have the potential outcome?
	He 100% does.
	No.
	I think he definitely does.
	Then you're kind of proving the Definitely, he's a lot more accomplished than me in many areas.
	He, you know, I'm pursuing music.
	He's already gold.
	And he's signed to a recording.
	So you're marrying up.
	I'm not signed to a record.
	So you're marrying up?
	Essentially, we both balance each other out.
	I might be doing better with the properties that I own, the property I own, or he might be doing better than me in music.
	But I feel like.
	Okay, hang on.
	Yeah.
	Because you're kind of evasive here a little bit.
	So let's just see if we can narrow this.
	Does he make more money than you do?
	No.
	No.
	Is he going to?
	Yes.
	That's it then.
	Yeah.
	Pretty simple, right?
	So you're still dating up.
	Yeah.
	I just, I really loved him.
	I didn't care about money.
	Everybody always says that, but then when you get into the nitty-gritty, well, if you have family, you have to, you know, everything changes.
	You know?
	So before we move on to a new topic, did anybody else have any other further objections or arguments when it comes to the age gap stuff?
	So are you conceding the point on this that age gaps are perfectly acceptable?
	Is that your position?
	Yes.
	Are you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Well done, Andrew.
	All right, moving on to Selena.
	Selena, I noticed in one of your profiles, it looked like you had some Arabic writing.
	Are you speak Arabic or?
	No, so actually, I really wanted to learn Arabic, but it was too hard.
	Oh, no, I didn't teach you.
	Really?
	Yeah, I speak Arabic.
	I really wanted to learn other languages because when I grew up, I was always in language class, but I'm like really bad at learning languages.
	So when I got older, I really wanted to learn Arabic, but from what my understanding, it's just very hard.
	And so I kind of just gave up.
	You said that you, if I recall from the pre-show notes, you said that you personally like traditional dating.
	Do you consider yourself traditional?
	As far as my work, no.
	But it's like, in my personal life, yes.
	Like, I like traditional roles, you know, with a man.
	What does that look like?
	For me, it's just like a man that's dominant, that will approach me, that has something that maybe I don't have.
	Like, I don't know, like that can bring me happiness.
	And like, it's just, for me, I feel like I do better in relationships where the man is the dominant one.
	Like, you know, even simple things like planning a date instead of, you know, leaving it up to me.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I just like that dominant role in being the submissive one in a relationship.
	So then, other than naming a thing which is reciprocal, what I mean by reciprocal is: if I ask you this question, what do you bring to the table then?
	That you would want this from a man without naming a trait which is going to be reciprocal, meaning he's bringing the same thing.
	What of value are you going to be bringing to this relationship?
	I feel like that's subjective only because totally subjective, sure.
	Well, the man would decide that.
	So it's like if he doesn't think I'm good enough to date you.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	In this case, I'm asking you what you think.
	I assume that he's going to split that this potential guy is going to come up with all sorts of different metrics for whatever those are.
	But you specifically, from your perception, what would you be bringing?
	Ila sees the pagan donated $200.
	Part of the feminist indoctrination, they put a chips in Gen Z and Alphas head overridding their cerebral cortex, making them say woman as the plural for motives only known by Nancy Pelosi and ma so that's definitely about me.
	I don't get it.
	What does that mean?
	Thank you, Pagan.
	Well, he's saying that when Gen Z women are born, the doctor puts a microchip in their brain, which causes a short circuit along their cerebral cortex.
	So when they say woman as a plural form of women, that's why.
	Special comment.
	Okay.
	Wait, you don't believe that?
	No.
	That's because he's trolling.
	No, I know.
	You didn't know.
	You can't play it off now.
	You messed it all up.
	You can't play it off.
	You were so close.
	So close.
	So close.
	Anyway, so back to this question.
	Yeah, what would you be bringing to the table, do you think, that is non-recipro?
	So, like, if a man sees me on the street or something, like, what would be the traits that he would see that would draw him in?
	No, no, no.
	What would you be bringing to the table that he wouldn't be bringing to the table?
	In the context of what?
	Like, I'm thinking about that.
	The third of a relationship.
	Like, as far as the maturity?
	Anything.
	I mean, I don't know.
	It's just like I'm trying to be open without thinking about too narrow-minded.
	Can you restate back to us the multiple traits that you listed out that you want in the man?
	I was saying I like a dominant man.
	Yep.
	Is established, mature, and I guess not an asshole.
	I don't know.
	But so it's very easy for you to answer what you're looking for.
	But why is it a little harder for, like, here's all the traits that I want in a guy?
	Why can't you just as easily say, here's what I'm bringing?
	So what are those things?
	I mean, for me personally, like, it's definitely hard to like narrow things down because like the thing you don't seem to have any trouble narrowing them down for what you want, right?
	Because that's in my perspective of what I want.
	But it's like it's hard for us as people to reflect that inward and know what traits.
	You know what I mean?
	Really?
	Wait a second.
	I mean, in my opinion, because I can easily...
	Wait, don't you know yourself the best?
	You've been living with yourself for 19 years.
	You know everything there is to know about you.
	So how would you not be able if you're looking externally at externally about men who I might not even know, I want XYZ.
	But why can't you just list out, well, here's what I'm bringing.
	Here's me.
	This is what I bring.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	Like, it's just hard to like.
	Okay, that's fair.
	You know, just it's just, I think it's just the phrasing isn't.
	Let me ask the second part of the question.
	What baggage would you bring?
	Baggage?
	I mean, relationship-wise, or just in general?
	Relationship.
	Baggage-wise, I mean, I guess if they were to look at my sexual things, you know, like I guess body count or my profession, the fact that I don't have a lot of relationship experience, I think age could also play a factor because that comes with the lack of experience.
	So we have at least four pieces of baggage.
	Right.
	Can we get one positive that you're going to be bringing to this relationship that's non-reciprocal?
	From what men have told me, like in my personal life, they like me because I'm honest with them.
	I'm funny, like in my personal relationship.
	Reciprocal traits, though.
	You would expect honesty as you're getting honesty, right?
	Right.
	So that's a reciprocal trait.
	It's a non-reciprocal trait that you think you would bring.
	Something that would benefit him, no?
	By being with you?
	I mean, yeah, I mean, that's why I was saying it's up to the individual.
	Like, I'm not going to be like, I don't know, like, I'm just not like, I don't have like a giant ego.
	You know what I mean?
	So I'm not going to be like, oh, he's going to get to date the baddest bitch around and blah, blah, blah.
	Like, to me, that's subjective to whatever man I'm dating or whatever man finds interest.
	It's up to him to find those traits in me that he is attracted to.
	And that's different for everybody.
	Wait, so...
	How...
	So nothing.
	I feel like I have just a different question that kind of would give the same answer.
	Like, what do you think a traditional man who's dominant, who's a provider, and all those things you listed would want in a woman?
	Did she say, I don't know if she said provider, although that would be an entailment of being traditional.
	Do you want to provide her?
	Okay.
	So that I'm assuming you want a guy to pay for the first date, right?
	To leave.
	You want a guy to pay.
	Would you want a guy to pay for subsequent dates too?
	Like, provide her.
	Yeah, like, I mean, I think that comes with the dominant role.
	Okay.
	So you would be submissive then.
	I assume that's what you would bring.
	Right.
	So I have a question.
	If you were dating a guy and he told you, I want you to stop doing porn, would you be submissive and listen to him?
	If I loved someone, absolutely.
	What if you didn't love him?
	Then I would not stop.
	You're in a relationship with him?
	I wouldn't be in a relationship with him.
	What if you don't love him yet?
	That's possible.
	That's pointless to me because I'm like, if we're not, I don't know, if I don't love you yet, I'm not going to quit my job for you.
	Yeah, but somebody can grow to love somebody.
	That's very possible.
	Right.
	But I'm not going to cut off my financials because you told me.
	He's providing.
	Right.
	But it's like, I don't know.
	Like, I feel like I would want to be in love with someone for them to cut off like attraction to them.
	Would you like give it up for them?
	She ain't giving up.
	And that's intending too much.
	If she's attracted to her.
	It's a great relationship.
	Yeah, I mean, if I'm just attracted, like, I don't really care.
	It's like, how long does it take for you to fall in love with someone?
	I don't know.
	I haven't been in love.
	Okay.
	A week for me.
	So, wait, the last question I got for you.
	Why would a traditional man who had those traditional traits and values want somebody to love?
	See, now I'm understanding.
	Like, anyway, I'm not saying they would.
	I'm just saying what I like.
	So it's like, for me, I'm not stupid.
	Like, I understand what I do as a job.
	I understand the way the world would view that in a negative light or whatever.
	And at the end of the day, that was my decision.
	So maybe it's harder for me to find a man that I want.
	But let's circle.
	We're going to circle all the way back now to the original question I asked you.
	Do you think that there's going to be any long-term ramifications from you doing corn?
	The response to this was everything except this answer, which is that it could definitely have significant problems when it came to the relationship that you would want with a man who had the traits, characteristics, and values that you're after.
	How come you left that out?
	I wasn't thinking about that because most of the time when people bring it up, thinking about it.
	Well, they always bring up, oh, what about your family?
	What about your children?
	They're not thinking about like, oh, what about your future relationship?
	You're going to have children with somebody you're in love with.
	Yeah, then you want that person to have those values, right?
	Of course.
	That comes before the kid, right?
	Of course.
	So if that comes, so that comes before the kid, there's a step-by-step process here.
	Right.
	The type of man that you're after for the values, aren't you hamstringing yourself?
	I mean, no, because I mean, at the end of the day, if a dude doesn't want me back, I'm not going to chase it.
	Like, I'm not going to look stupid.
	But why would a man who had values, structured values, and was traditional, which is what you want, why would he want to be with a corn star?
	Right.
	I'm not saying a traditional man has to be.
	So how's that not hamstringing yourself?
	Well, because it's like I grew up in a household that was a Christian household.
	Sure.
	And so maybe it's just the way I grew up that it's kind of ingrained in me to like certain traits in a relationship.
	I'm not saying that's an indefinite to what I'd be looking for.
	Like, let's say I find someone and they're not even like that at all, but I love them and it works for us.
	That's fine too.
	Really?
	You think that you're going to be able to change things like you want them to be dominant, a provider, have traditional values?
	You really think you're going to change your attractive, what you're attracted to, really?
	I mean, if you love somebody, yeah.
	Andrew, can I ask you a question on this?
	Can a guy be dominant and a provider, but not be traditional?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So that's what, I mean, that's where I kind of think about this.
	Pardon me, when these.
	But there's an undercurrent here to look at.
	Yes.
	So in other words, I'm going to concede that this is logically possible.
	Right.
	I don't ever see it, though.
	Meaning that the types of men I think who desire to be in those roles generally seem to have a value structure which underpins why they want to be in those roles.
	Otherwise, what the hell would be the point?
	You just go out and be a promiscuous man whore and hump every chick you saw and lie to them, be a scumbag.
	There wouldn't really be any negative ramifications to that.
	So why not do that?
	On the provider front, I do wonder, though, like if there's like liberal cuck soy boy who's like just, you know, he's making they nothing precludes a liberal cuck soy boy from making a ton of money.
	So they can fall into the provider role.
	It's not clear if they're the dominant component is a little more quite different.
	But generally, but let me ask the counter to this.
	Yeah.
	So the liberal cuck soyboy.
	Yeah.
	Why does he want to fall in the provider role?
	That's a good question.
	Maybe.
	Well, it would occur to me.
	Maybe it's like instinct because like, weren't you talking about like male instincts or something earlier?
	Like, what if it's just like ingrained from where they grew up?
	I would think it would be instinct to not be a liberal cuck soyboy too, though, right?
	That seems instinctual, but maybe it's not just purely instinct.
	So if we're backing up, though, what would be the incentive for somebody who lives in modernity, man who lives in modernity, makes tons of cash, right?
	And he doesn't see really any value in being a provider when he can just basically go out and hump whatever woman he wants.
	What would be the principle underpinning behind that?
	So you, you said you were raising a Christian household, so you probably assume in your head, the way that you think about it is it's supposed to be man, woman, children, devoted wife, right?
	Head of household, husband.
	These are the examples that you see.
	Do you know why that becomes ingrained, though?
	It's because those are examples that work.
	And so you look your whole life and you look around you and you see all kinds of examples that don't work.
	Traditionalism is really just the study of experiments that worked.
	That's an experiment that always works.
	It seems to work the best out of every other experiment.
	It didn't work for my parents.
	It doesn't always work.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Of course not.
	But even if your parents split, that doesn't mean they won't enter into another traditional relationship with other people, right?
	So again, this is the experiment again seeming to work as it's supposed to.
	Even if with these two people it did not work, doesn't mean they're not going to look for a reformation for exactly that same kind of relationship again.
	That's the examples that we see that work the most.
	And so that's why we kind of are always looking at them and going, okay, why does this work?
	Mm-hmm.
	So yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	Like that, I don't think that's relevant to like the original point, though.
	I think it is because what you're after is you seem to be after all the values of somebody who has an underpinning ethical system.
	The ethical system being what are the things you value?
	Honesty, right?
	Integrity, honor.
	Part of that, the nature of I provide for a woman, I take care of wife, wife doesn't have to work, right?
	I'll kill myself at the factory every day to make sure the family's taken care of.
	There has to be some kind of underpinning there for ethics, right?
	Otherwise, why the hell would you do it?
	Right.
	So you're saying like saying that absent the ethical part, I don't think you get, you can arrive at the traditional part.
	I don't think it's easy to arrive there.
	Right.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Can I add something?
	Yeah.
	Nobody wants to be a single mom.
	I have a child and I would not be able to do it alone.
	I just got a C-section and I was in the ICU for septic shock.
	And, you know, my boyfriend had to step up and take care of my kid.
	I was literally dying on my deathbed and I had to get blood transfusions, everything.
	I don't know how some women do it alone.
	That is like, it's sad that, you know, some women go through it, but that's definitely, you want a partner that's going to stick by you.
	Now, I can even put on my own underwear.
	But you got.
	Weren't you with this guy for three months before?
	Well, no, I knew him for a long time before then.
	Yeah, I know, but romantically, right?
	Romantically, yeah, we'd hang out in like groups.
	So wasn't that just a gamble?
	Well, I guess I took his word for it when he told me that he was serious and he did want a family in a serious relationship.
	And it just so happened that we got along and we have very similar interests.
	So, I mean, it worked.
	But I mean, if you were to take yourself out of your shoes, this worked right for you.
	This did work, yeah.
	You would never recommend it for somebody else, though, right?
	Honestly, I got really lucky.
	I want it because maybe they would end up a single mom, honestly.
	Right.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's like, I understand the principle of what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	It's really difficult.
	It seems like it seems like it seems stupid that a woman would actually choose to be a single mom, though they do.
	Yes.
	Because you're right, right?
	It takes, there's a lot more work involved than it does take a dad.
	And also, like, you don't want your child growing up.
	Hey, mommy and daddy are dating different people.
	That's not a good example.
	No.
	You know, that's just, you know, a good example of what, though?
	Good example of having a traditional household.
	Of having underpinnings.
	And then an ethical underpinning.
	And then my daughter is going to grow up.
	Well, my mommy and daddy weren't together, so I'm going to go be a single mom.
	Right.
	Hypothetically, you know, not my situation.
	That depends how you like view the world, though.
	Yeah.
	I'm just like, I'm going to go to school.
	For me personally, because I did grow up in a certain way, I'm striving to not have that happen.
	Not to be like, you know, nobody would.
	Wait, hold on.
	Because you're not going to be able to do that.
	Just as far as you don't want, so you do want to get married one day.
	Yeah.
	You do want to have kids.
	Absolutely.
	Don't you think simply by virtue of the work that you've done, that's going to make it much more difficult to have a stable relationship?
	No impact whatsoever on the it'll definitely have an impact, but for me, like again, as I was saying, like it doesn't need to be like the concrete, like but if it'll definitely have an impact, wouldn't that have an impact on the likelihood of the relation, the success of the relationship?
	No, because I'm not going to get married to someone that I have like things like about my past, you know, like if you're mad that I did this job, you're not the one for me, you know?
	But what if it introduces issues down the line in your relationship that materialize years, years later?
	Or for example, this is perhaps one you won't be able to avoid if you said you want to have kids.
	Okay, what sort of complications will be introduced into not only your relationship with your partner, but your relationship with your children, which will invariably introduce issues with your partner if the child is bullied, for example, because of the work you've done.
	I mean, I'm planning to have kids in like 15 years.
	Like, I don't think that's a good idea.
	Internet's forever.
	How would they?
	You don't think you're going to make videos of you in 15 years from now?
	And not only that, but not only that, but 15 years from now, the father of that child will still be the father, and you could choose that father from today, and they could be the father in 15 years.
	And I don't think doing the industry that you're in.
	I'm sorry, was I not clear?
	I understood what she said.
	It kind of could be.
	No, you weren't clear.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I can rephrase it.
	But and also, so the father that you choose now could be the father of your kids in 15 years.
	And the father that you choose most likely won't be a better father while you're in the industry.
	Like, do you really think you're more likely to get a good man in the industry that you're in?
	Or are you more likely to not get a good man while you're in the industry?
	I mean, based off of their argument, it would be I'm less likely.
	But what do you think?
	For me, like, I mean, I don't really care.
	Like, for me, like, I'm not sure.
	But you do care.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	But you do care because you said that due to your past experiences, yourself as a child, you said you don't want that for you and you don't want that for your future children.
	Correct.
	You said you don't want what happened to your parents to happen to you.
	Correct.
	But simply by virtue of the work you've done and the work you do, it has increased the likelihood that that will be the outcome.
	Absolutely.
	It's not a guarantee.
	I never denied that.
	It's not a guarantee, but it's increased the likelihood of that outcome.
	Yeah.
	I mean, true.
	And when you have a kid, you're going to want to protect them.
	I'll protect my kids, but I mean, it doesn't have to be in the context of what I used to do for work.
	I mean, I know a lot of girls that I grew up with and their moms were strippers and stuff, you know, and like no one cared.
	It's just like you, like, I feel like shaming someone for their past at the end of the day.
	Well, I mean, sorry, go ahead.
	Finish.
	But what I was saying is that shaming people for their past, like, obviously that's an issue, but I feel like.
	Well, it's an issue because, like, as you were saying, like.
	Would you date a broke guy?
	A broke guy?
	Would you date a broke guy?
	I have in the past, yeah.
	Okay, was that the question?
	No.
	Would you?
	But would I now?
	Absolutely not.
	Well, so hold on.
	Because of a man's perhaps lack of action, his current state of affairs, he's broke.
	Perhaps, and this is due in part or in totality to actions or lack of actions he took in the past.
	So you are essentially shaming him for his past actions by not being at a place financially that you deem acceptable in the present.
	But that's not the same as shaming them.
	I'm not shaming you for being broke.
	Bro, you know you want to be shamed bills, bills, bills by Destiny's Child, TLC, no scrubs.
	I have no idea.
	I mean, bro.
	Am I TLC?
	Does a man want to broke women?
	So, I mean, men don't care.
	What about shaming women for their future?
	Like, for instance, I hear you.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Shouldn't shame me for what I did a week ago.
	Right.
	10 days ago, 20 days ago.
	But what if the perception is, okay, but you're going to do this again tomorrow and next Tuesday and next Thursday?
	Is that okay then to shame?
	Or is it just what you're really saying is just not okay to shame people?
	I didn't say it wasn't okay to shame people, but in the context of what we were saying, which was my job, which I'm not the only person in the world that has a controversial job.
	I agree.
	Right?
	Sure.
	It's just like what you guys were saying was coming under the context that it would cause an issue.
	I don't even know.
	Like, I could die tomorrow.
	Like, and none of this would even matter.
	Yeah, but what do you think?
	You know what I meant?
	You know what I mean?
	But if you're, when you live your life, you live your life through risk mitigation, whether you think so or not.
	You don't blow through red lights, right?
	How come?
	How come you don't blow through red lights for fun?
	Illegal.
	You're most likely going to get it.
	Let's say it was legal.
	Would you blow through red lights for fun?
	No.
	Why?
	Because I would get T-bones.
	Oh, so you're mitigating risk.
	Right.
	Right?
	Do you want to get into a car that had shaky wheels?
	No.
	No.
	Why?
	Because it's dangerous.
	And so you're what?
	Mitigating risk.
	It's risk.
	You're mitigating risk.
	So you live your entire life mitigating risk.
	Doesn't it sound like a little bit of cope to say, well, it just so happens that I'm in this industry which has a high risk associated with it.
	I just don't care about mitigating it.
	I mean, couldn't you say the same thing about like police officers or something, like that put their life on the line every day?
	Like that's.
	It's a very safe job.
	Very few police officers die early.
	Sorry, can I see that?
	But it's like that doesn't relate to the point.
	I think it does relate to the point.
	How?
	Well, because if we're talking about risk mitigation, assume for a second that every single police officer got shot while they were on duty.
	Do you think that anybody'd want to be a police officer?
	No.
	No, probably not, right?
	But if you were to have acceptable risk where you go, okay, almost no police officers actually get shot on duty.
	Now that seems like it's not that much of a risky job, right?
	However, when you're talking about doing corn, for instance, what do you think the risk likelihoods increase that they don't end up with happy marriages with traditional men?
	I don't know the statistics, so I can't say anything.
	If I were to tell you, though, let's just say I were to tell you a ridiculous number, like it's 95%, would that even change your mind?
	Would you stop doing it tomorrow?
	The truth.
	No.
	No.
	So then I don't even know why ask me the question of, but I don't know the statistic, regardless of what the statistic was.
	If it was 100%, you still wouldn't stop, right?
	No.
	So then ultimately, you're just saying to hell with risk mitigation in this.
	Right.
	Because I want to fucking do it, right?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, it's life.
	You make choices and there's consequences.
	I'm not denying, I never denied the consequences.
	I'll say that.
	I'm not like delusional.
	Like, I understand.
	I'm not saying you're delusional.
	There is a point, you know, and there is like a place where, you know, it might be an issue in my life.
	Yeah.
	Before that, what if in 10 years, though, you remember that you were on this random podcast with this asshole who told you, who told you, don't continue.
	You could stop now and it'll mitigate risk overnight.
	You can just stop.
	You can go get a job as a secretary.
	You can go get a job as a car salesman.
	You can go get a job as a, I don't know, fucking stand-in teacher somewhere.
	You can do anything but this.
	And your life's outcome is going to likely be better, right?
	Wouldn't it be better when you think about that objectively to not kick yourself in the ass in 10 years and go, fuck, I should have listened to that guy.
	And instead, just quit.
	Do anything other than that?
	Well, if that happens, I'll find you and take you out to a nice dinner.
	Right?
	Can I say something?
	No, you're going to find me, and here's what's going to happen.
	I'm going to tell you what's going to happen.
	Right?
	10 years, I'll get the phone call, and you're going to say, man, Andrew, you were so right about this, and I'm going to do this.
	I'm going to go.
	I told you, dummy.
	Right?
	Because that's social shaming.
	The hope there is that you'll take that laughter and internalize it and it'll make you seethe with anger so that you'll speak out in 10 years to the next generation and say, yeah, this didn't work out so well.
	Life, you know, you learn things, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, who knows?
	Maybe it'll go my way and I'll call you and be like, yo, it worked out and laugh in your face.
	Maybe.
	I love your opinion just now.
	And I think that, you know, you're still 19, you're young.
	He, you know, I think he brings a really good point, but I want to ask you something.
	Would you date a broke guy if like you could build a life with him?
	Like he doesn't have any money right now, but hypothetically, let's say you get pregnant, right?
	And he's like, you know, I don't have the best job right now, but I'm willing to get another job.
	But who knows, maybe he's making $2,500, $3,000 a month.
	Would you be okay with dating him?
	If he's really trying and he does love you.
	Well, yeah, because that shows ambition.
	But it's like, if you're just a broke man and you have no ambition and you have no plan and you have no, like, I don't know.
	Like, again, like what I was saying is like a dominant man.
	If you're not doing anything to improve your life, that doesn't attract me to you.
	I think, and I would never get pregnant by a dude that couldn't afford a child.
	But do you know what?
	Things can change.
	He can get a job.
	He could say, do you know what?
	I need to step up.
	Yeah, but you're honestly like, you're just ex-ing like a bunch of guys that, you know, could potentially, you know, you could potentially date.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	I, you know, not to get personal, you know, that's that situation happened with my boyfriend.
	He couldn't afford a kid.
	He got another job, you know, and, you know, I'm essentially a lot better off than him financially.
	I didn't care.
	But there is guys that, you know, who cares if they're broke?
	Who cares?
	Honestly, once you have $200,000 in cash, are you going to care about if a guy is broke?
	Seriously, does $200,000 in your hand mean anything to you?
	Would it mean anything to you?
	Well, I already said that it's not about being broke.
	It's about their ambitions and their people that, you know, money would make them happy.
	I'm the happiest I've ever been in my entire life having a child and having a family and being a mother.
	I don't give a fuck fudge about money and I've seen that much money in cash easily.
	Right.
	I didn't say I cared about money.
	How do you support your kids?
	Without money.
	Without money?
	Yeah.
	How would you support your kid with that money?
	Yes, you're saying you don't care about money, but how would you support that husband?
	I mean, you need money to support a kid, but you guys can be a team.
	Guys, can build a family together.
	But I'm not doing that like girl.
	That sounds like a gold digger drama.
	That really does.
	How is that gold digger to want to find someone?
	She wants to be able to get a child.
	Well, I'm not going to get pregnant if we cannot.
	No, but that makes no sense.
	You know what?
	Every situation is different.
	Every guy is different.
	But if a guy's willing to come up to you and say, hey, listen, I don't care about your past.
	I really don't.
	I want to start a family with you.
	And you know, I don't have a bunch of money, but I'm willing to step up and get another job.
	Are you going to reject him because he maybe has $100 in his bank account?
	No, because he has that thing where he's not.
	And then money doesn't matter.
	He has that ambition to get more money.
	I'd rather be broke as shit and not have any money in my bank account, not have anything to my name, and have a loving husband and a child and be a happy family.
	That's what really matters.
	But that's not about being broke or not.
	Exactly.
	You can't provide for yourself if you have no money.
	Yeah, but you know what?
	There's assistance out there.
	There really is.
	But I'm not going to minister.
	I'm going to stuff like that.
	I think that makes sense.
	It doesn't matter.
	The point is, like, there's so many options before I can't even believe that people's perspective.
	I think the point is, like, there's so many options you could do before resorting to that, to working in that industry that would not have you go through all of those consequences.
	And you're still young.
	And you said that, okay, there's a lot of learner.
	Absolutely.
	And I love that you're humble enough to understand what we're saying to you.
	But for that same reason, I would actually shame you more for understanding it and not doing anything about it than if you're not.
	It's her choice.
	But it's not just about, like, I understand that's your choice, but I'm going to shame people for their choices because I care about society.
	And I think the worst part of this is the kids.
	Like, if you acknowledge that there's consequences with kids, I think you're irresponsible if you know that there's going to be some type of consequence or something put on those kids.
	And I remember you said, well, I have friends that have strippers as like moms or all of that.
	Yeah, you don't want that.
	You don't want to raise your kids like that.
	I could argue if we really go in depth that there is consequences, but let's say there isn't.
	It sounds very mediocre.
	And I don't want to, like, I just really dislike people who want kids.
	And they're like, well, it's fine.
	Instead of having the intention of, I want to do my absolute best.
	Not mediocre.
	Not, well, they'll turn out fine.
	They'll have food and roof over their head.
	They'll have money from what I'm working as.
	Not with the intention of I want the absolute best thing for them.
	Not just, you know, you could go to college.
	You could do a lot of things.
	You do want the best for my future.
	You know, you're still 19.
	What she's doing is her decision at the end of the day.
	She could have better.
	You shouldn't sit here.
	You're a fake friend if you literally sit here and say that it's okay for what she's doing long term.
	She's going to probably have kids one day.
	You're still young too, so you might not get it.
	I'm a lot older than you.
	I work at a pharmacy, so I know what I want to do in life.
	I get it, but you shouldn't sit here and condemn what she's doing.
	It's wrong, and I will say it right now.
	It's completely wrong.
	Okay, well, guess what?
	And you have an only family.
	You have an only family.
	It doesn't matter.
	You have an only thing.
	It's kind of like that.
	Okay, but you're not going to know what I do when you have an only family.
	But it's not mainstream.
	And you have a child, so what about you?
	I'm not doing that.
	Don't say that too much.
	I'm not doing that.
	Seriously, at least take a look at it.
	Your naked body's still somewhere on the internet, girls.
	I'm sure, but it doesn't.
	What I'm trying to tell you is that if you're going to have a relationship, you shouldn't go and fuck guys and then come home and fuck your boyfriend.
	You're disgusting to do that if you ever do that.
	I don't have a boyfriend.
	You're literally, and that's why you won't get a boyfriend because nobody wants to be with somebody that's going to have sex with multiple guys.
	You probably are going to end up with some type of STI one day.
	And also, you're laughing.
	You're next.
	It's inverted.
	No, literally, you guys are just immature.
	And honestly, this is wrong with society.
	We have an old lives.
	You have an only thing matter.
	I don't know what OnlyFans bitches.
	I can literally shut down my fucking OnlyFans and never have to fucking work again for the rest of my fucking life.
	So shut the fuck up.
	Are you going to touch me?
	I'm not going to touch you.
	Seriously, you need to stop.
	Don't encourage that.
	Please don't put your hand in my face.
	Yeah, I mean, we could be calm about this.
	I can delete OnlyFans and never work again in my life because I'm fucking rich.
	That's why.
	Go home.
	I'm calm.
	No, bitch, you go the fuck home.
	I'm calm, girl.
	I was just saying that it was just, it just sounded hypocritical to me.
	It doesn't matter.
	Find better for yourself.
	You're young.
	You have potential.
	Seriously, I actually had a positive thing for you.
	You are young.
	You are 19.
	You have a whole life ahead of you.
	Go do something better.
	Seriously, you have the capability.
	Thank you.
	Absolutely.
	You literally have the capability.
	I was going to have to do something better the rest of my life.
	That was never something I said.
	Let's say I find a different interest and, you know, I feel like you're not.
	I'm not shaming you.
	I actually would like to see you do better.
	And then she's sitting here saying, it's her choice.
	You know, you're wrong or whatever.
	I'm judging her right now.
	No, I hear these things.
	It doesn't fucking matter.
	I can shut down my OnlyFans.
	I have a daughter to take this.
	I don't want to shut her down.
	I can shut down my OnlyFans, but guess why I'm not going to?
	I'm not going to because it's my choice.
	And at the end of the day, there you go.
	I'm not a hypocrite.
	I'm not sitting here and doing fucking porn.
	You're not going to die.
	Girl, at the end of the day.
	I actually, do you know why I take back my good advice?
	I hope you literally end up homeless in the street because you won't take good advice.
	Here's another thing.
	I will also judge a person for not being calm because the point is to.
	You guys are like young.
	You guys don't get it.
	Until you have children, you will understand.
	Well, all I was saying is that it was just coming from a place of someone that has an OnlyFans.
	It doesn't fucking matter.
	I made it in life.
	I made it in life.
	I own a fucking mansion.
	I can do whatever the fuck I want.
	And I fucking manage my properties and collect rent.
	The fuck do you do?
	Fucking fuck, guys.
	So shut the fuck up.
	You do not come for me.
	No.
	I don't fuck.
	I fuck my fucking husband.
	Thank you so much.
	Not yet.
	He's not your husband.
	No.
	It doesn't fucking matter.
	If you ask him, if you ask me, I'm getting married.
	He's going to be her husband.
	She's not going to understand by yelling.
	If we actually want her to change, if you actually care.
	No, you guys, honestly, you guys are going to have a very tough time in life.
	Very tough time in life.
	Very tough time.
	You're sitting there and laughing.
	Very tough time in life.
	I'm a lot older than you guys.
	And also, I've done a lot of stuff in my life.
	And I actually tried to be fucking nice to you and say that you have capability, you have potential.
	You're sitting here wasting it.
	You know, you could be a nurse.
	You could do so much.
	You could still be a nurse.
	Exactly.
	Nobody's saying to take a look at it.
	But nobody's saying take back what you did, but you should at least strive to be better.
	So maybe this is a stepping stone, you know, to get to where you're at.
	But at least have like another plan is what I'm trying to tell you.
	I'm not coming after you.
	I'm trying to tell you there is a plan B. You're laughing.
	I mean, you should want better for your friends.
	What I was trying to do is.
	You should literally want better for your friends.
	Don't sit there and laugh.
	Where is the line for you, though?
	Because I feel like, like, if you have an OnlyFans, oh, I can't do it.
	I can do it.
	I already.
	Okay, how much money have you made on OnlyFans?
	How much money have you made on OnlyFans?
	Tell me a fucking number right now.
	How much money have you made?
	I've made half a million dollars and I have to prove it on OnlyFans, okay?
	I can do whatever the fuck I want.
	Out of 10, let's drop it down to a two.
	Yes.
	Inside was.
	No, like, anyway.
	And I've been doing social media since 2016.
	You are 19 at the end of the day.
	Do better for yourself.
	You'd even give life a chance.
	You literally went straight into porn.
	You'd even try to do better for yourself.
	Read the comment.
	What did I say?
	It doesn't matter at the end of the day because, guess what?
	I can strip on my lot.
	I'm retrospect.
	Both of you.
	No, both of you brought up like the stripper thing.
	So like, where's the line for you?
	Like, if I was a stripper, would that still be as much of an issue because it's not online?
	Or is it just because you're just want better?
	Use that as a stepping stone.
	Stepping stone.
	Use it.
	Okay, if you're doing porn right now, okay.
	Do you know what?
	I'm I hypothetically, if I was you, okay, I'm doing porn.
	I don't want to do porn in two years, right?
	I want to go to college.
	I want to go to you know, be a nurse, whatever you want to do, right?
	Use that as a stepping stone and at least have a plan.
	They're laughing.
	What is your plan?
	What is your plan?
	That you're a model.
	No, what is your plan?
	How much money in your life?
	I work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5.
	I'm at 23 an hour.
	I work on it.
	23.
	What is 23 an hour?
	Kids are going to be in the middle of the day.
	It's more than yelling.
	What's that?
	I'm supporting my body on OnlyFans, being a hypocrite about it.
	I know.
	I made more money than all of you.
	So they have more than you guys.
	It doesn't matter.
	And I don't say that.
	It's a hater.
	It's giving hater, girl.
	It's not hater.
	Do you know why?
	It's not giving hater.
	I literally said I wanted to see you do better and you can't accept that.
	And you took it as a fancy.
	You got to tell me, though.
	You met me today.
	You don't want to get me.
	It doesn't matter.
	I actually feel bad for you because you're 19 and you didn't get a bad job.
	You can't decide where you want to get married.
	Do you know why?
	Do you know why?
	That is a good reason to feel bad for me because I actually want to find out where the fuck I'm getting married to.
	I would like Vegas.
	Doesn't matter.
	At the end of the day, you shouldn't sit here and laugh.
	You don't know me either.
	And I don't know you.
	I don't know you.
	I don't know you, but I said it would be nice to see you do better.
	I don't know your favorite.
	I don't know how stranger to me.
	You're a stranger to me.
	This is exactly where I want to be.
	But here's the thing.
	$10,000 a month at the end of the day.
	What the hell is that?
	What is that?
	Like, how long is that going to last?
	I'm going to fool you in life.
	The whole point.
	All I'm trying to say is figure out how long you want to do this for if it's till you're 25 and then say, Do you know what?
	I'm going to save up this much money and this is what I want to do next.
	That's all I'm literally trying to say.
	That's perfectly fine.
	I never said that.
	That is perfectly fine.
	I never said I was going to do that.
	That's what I was trying to say.
	And then she came and she's like girl, I can change whenever I want.
	Exactly.
	That's what I chose to do.
	No, you're choosing to do it.
	And I'm saying that you're still doing that.
	Find out what you want to do next.
	That's what I'm literally trying to tell her.
	I never said I could erase the past, but it's like, if I wanted to change jobs, I could do that.
	That's great.
	Yes.
	For me, I don't want to change jobs.
	Let her stay on and then you guys go.
	And then let her respond.
	And then you guys go.
	Okay, thank you.
	Go babe.
	Right.
	So, like, from what?
	Okay, before you got mad.
	Okay, and I'm on my mood stabilizer pill for anybody wanting 25 milligram lamectol, whatever.
	But I'm still trying to tell you that before you pop my parents.
	I was trying to say, like, where the line was for you because technically you would be in that.
	Eula sees the pagan donated $200.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, and also.
	That's what I'm saying.
	All I'm saying is.
	You're not the same category.
	You're not better than me.
	But here's more money, girl.
	It doesn't matter about having money.
	I actually said I would like to respond.
	You brought up the money multiple times.
	You said I'm rich.
	I'm better.
	Okay, I'm very fortunate.
	I never have to work again.
	That's my prerogative.
	You want to work again?
	I do music because I love trying to get money.
	I do music because I love music at the end of the day, but I sincerely never have to work again.
	That's my position.
	So when I see other girls that actually do have to work, I'm like, oh my God.
	So you're mad that I have to work?
	No, I'm not mad.
	I said I would like to see you do better in the future.
	That's it.
	That's literally my point here.
	Okay.
	My point is very simple.
	My point is super simple.
	Nothing you said made sense because it was just coming from someone who was being a hypocrite and then went on.
	Well, I'm not doing professional porn.
	But here's what you have.
	I'm not even an OnlyFans.
	Earlier, you literally said that your naked body pictures are online.
	Literally, no.
	I literally didn't say that.
	Yes, you did.
	You did say that.
	You said I can erase my OnlyFans, but it doesn't mean I can erase my content.
	Yeah, that is true.
	You can't erase content off only.
	Are you worried about your kid finding that?
	No, but there's ways to get it off.
	Why should I be worried about it?
	What about my kid finding it?
	I don't know your financial situation.
	You might not be a millionaire.
	Moving forward, all I'm saying, if you are, congratulations, YouTube.
	I don't recommend that you.
	All I'm saying is, have a backup plan.
	You might have to work until you're whatever years old.
	I don't have to work again.
	So I can really do whatever I want for you.
	When I see 19-year-olds literally going straight into porn and not, did you go to university?
	I went to Mississippi State University.
	I did college first.
	I tried first before I had an OnlyFans.
	But it didn't work out, right?
	That's why you did OnlyFans?
	Well, guess why?
	I'm a mother, so I can do whatever the fuck I want.
	I have almost a million followers.
	Say what do you have?
	You have my followers?
	I have my Instagram.
	You have a thousand followers.
	I have almost a million followers.
	I've been doing this for okay time.
	I was one of the first live stream groups.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And I was also on television.
	So here's the thing.
	When I was your guys this age, I went to university.
	I didn't go straight to OnlyFans.
	And where did I get staff?
	What?
	What's going on?
	Where did university get you?
	Do you know where it got me?
	Where?
	It didn't get me anywhere.
	Shut the fuck up.
	I don't use my university.
	What is your point?
	I don't use my university.
	You guys came up to me and said, you should be able to do it.
	Wait, you know what?
	I don't have to work.
	If you go to college, maybe you might have to work unless you become a millionaire overnight.
	How did you get to OnlyFans?
	It doesn't matter.
	Everything that you were saying.
	And I'm not a millionaire.
	I'm almost.
	I'm not predicting it.
	Okay.
	All I'm saying is I might not have to use my degree.
	I might not have to do any of that.
	But you know, you could.
	You could do a lot of stuff.
	You know what?
	I can't be positive with you because you take everything the wrong way.
	I can't.
	Here's the thing.
	You guys knew each other coming in.
	So obviously, you know, you're going to put your chief cents in.
	It doesn't matter.
	You're going to put your two cents in.
	I literally defended her.
	Jess Gerald donated $200.
	Okay.
	No one cares how much terrible woman.
	Here we go.
	I feel bad for your family.
	I don't know who's on your side.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Okay, what do you have?
	I'm just feeling like you're going to be a bad person.
	Do you have money?
	Do you have followers?
	What the fuck do you have?
	What are your life?
	I'm 20 years old.
	I'm dead.
	When I was 20 years old, guess where I was living?
	I was living in a fucking penthouse in West Hollywood.
	What the fuck are you doing at 20 years old?
	I pay for my own rent.
	I pay for my own car.
	I have my congratulations.
	I literally have a 20.
	You make $23 an hour.
	I haven't said that going to get you.
	And I'm $23 an hour.
	$23 an hour, guys.
	Yours, $23 an hour.
	Like, that's going to get you anywhere.
	You're broke as shit.
	So aggressive because you're better than her.
	We get it.
	Make you.
	Good luck on $23 an hour, is what I'll say.
	Making that for the rest of your life.
	We'll see where that gets you.
	Do you even have a wrong?
	You don't need to diss people for having a lot of people.
	You have a Roth IRA.
	Excuse me.
	You don't even know what a Roth IRA is.
	Roth Iron.
	Roth IRA.
	Give a rough.
	You have no retirement fund, I bet.
	You guys are.
	You guys can't even afford a parent.
	Where's the mood save a lot of the pillows?
	It's fucking in my body.
	And guess what?
	You guys have no retirement fund.
	You guys are going to be losers for the rest of your life.
	I'm 19, girl.
	You're going to be losers for the rest of your life.
	Okay, but what is your point?
	So you're saying that it's a problem that she has an honest living making $23 an hour at a normal job.
	I don't care.
	It's an issue.
	It's an issue.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's an issue for porn, but what is your point?
	Like, all I'm trying to say is because I use my brains to get money while you had to use your body to get money.
	Okay, well, guess what?
	I was also on YouTube and TikTok, and I was number one for comedy.
	Exactly.
	You're not even funny.
	You're boring.
	That's why you're starting up with me and you know I have followers.
	I'm starting up with me because you saw that I had a lot of followers.
	Do you not know who I know?
	I don't give up.
	I'm irrelevant.
	I don't care.
	You're irrelevant to me.
	I promise you.
	I don't care.
	I promise you.
	I don't care.
	Stop starting up with me and shot.
	Okay.
	We got to make 10 minutes.
	That's a 10 minute to Maddie.
	Oh, wow.
	He really wants to.
	$100.
	You guys can pick it up in 10 minutes, I guess.
	I'll read a couple chats here.
	That was eventful.
	Sometimes it's best to just let that play out, you know?
	Andrew, you need a smoke or all right.
	Andrew needs a smoke.
	I need a smoke, Captain.
	And you're already in it.
	I was very popular for being a live streamer a long time ago because I said what the fuck is that?
	Isn't her microphone muted?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, anyways, we are a listener.
	Stop.
	What is our $23?
	$23 an hour, everyone.
	Congratulations.
	Round of a fucking thought.
	It should not be just like mute a mic, but that person can't talk.
	Fail.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	What the hell?
	I want to see where you're at in 10 years.
	Okay.
	So, if you've never seen a million dollars, we're not allowed to talk to you.
	Yeah, you got to stop talking.
	If you've never seen $100,000, I got your opinion.
	If you have made $100,000 in time, you can show it right now.
	I will sit here and I'll debate with you.
	If you don't have $100,000 in cash right now, I don't give a fuck about what you got to say.
	Can you stop talking?
	We've got to move this.
	Okay, we'll move on.
	Okay.
	Put the cuckoo back in the clock for a minute.
	Okay.
	I'll calm down.
	Please.
	All right.
	So, lol paladins.
	I'm going to read a couple chats here.
	She's malleable.
	Women will become whatever the man they're attracted to wants.
	Goth prep.
	Actually, Maddie, can you read these?
	Goth preppy email.
	She's still a blank slate.
	Good sign she hasn't been alpha widowed.
	This is in response to you.
	So it's towards me?
	Yes.
	Huh?
	That's a compliment, right?
	You want to see that?
	That would be a thing when you play my name.
	Kill of Cereal, that was BS.
	I demand you replay my $200 TTS.
	She yelled all the way through it.
	No one cares.
	You still show your body off online.
	So you're cheating on your husband emotionally.
	That is true.
	I should replay it because you guys.
	I mean, you know, that's what they think.
	I really don't care.
	I'd love to see on my husband.
	Yeah, can you stop talking?
	Don't tell me that shit.
	Killer of Cereal donated $200.
	My TV volume is at 10 out of 100, and she's making it sound like it's at 50.
	You really trying to take control of this life lesson?
	So aggressive because you're better than her.
	We get it.
	Make your.
	Blank, blank, blank.
	Kill of cereal, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry.
	You know, they were in the middle of their little squabble or whatever.
	We also have another one from Kill of Cereal here.
	Good to see Andrew in person.
	I'm now a Crucible fan and good to see you again, Brian.
	Question for the panel: What is the most embarrassing moment you've experienced on a date?
	I praise Almighty Epistle.
	Let me just get through the chats, Killer, but I promise you I'm going to write that down.
	I'm going to just say most embarrassing moments.
	And we will go around the panel in just a moment on that once I get through all the other chats.
	We have Mac Daddy.
	First time donating, I listen every day.
	Andrew's reactions are sending me right now.
	As a 22-year-old woman, these other young females are embarrassing.
	Please get a real job.
	The military has enlistment bonuses.
	The military.
	All right, Mac Daddy.
	Hey, thank you for the message, man.
	Appreciate your patronage.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for joining the stream.
	And then we do have.
	Is there a backlog?
	There's quite a backlog.
	Okay, I'll read this one, Maddie.
	Can you read it?
	What would happen when the law changes or school policies now ban any OF content creators from schools?
	AKA, you can't pick up your kid, go to their graduation, and you'd likely be single the rest of your life.
	Is the money you've made today worth it?
	Short answer, no.
	Great question.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	I mean, it's just a hypothetical thing.
	I mean, I don't think that that would happen, to be honest.
	Yeah, no.
	I don't think it would happen.
	But, yeah.
	Avalos, thank you for the $100 super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	But if it did happen, if it did happen, would it be worth it, the money?
	If I had a kid, no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I have, Nick, I have a bunch in my stream yard that aren't showing up over there.
	Here, let me, did you pull this one up?
	No, I don't believe.
	Can you, but is there another one?
	Here, I'll.
	There's this one.
	These are below the read threshold, but.
	I'm not jealous to any.
	I'm not jealous to anyone.
	I love my mic.
	Your mic's muted.
	Hold on.
	My mic is muted?
	Yeah, that's why they paid me.
	That's why they're telling you, like.
	Yeah, they paid to mute your mic.
	That's why we're saying, like, your mic is not working.
	So, like, but you didn't get those previous ones.
	You might have to do a refresh.
	It was like for 10 minutes.
	So just hide the stream yard there.
	So basically, they can't have to.
	Sorry, guys, we're just re-fixing.
	Andrew's coming back if you want to.
	I thought that they were just.
	Oh, no, someone actually paid to do it.
	Yeah.
	I made that wrong.
	So this would be a good time to.
	Once Andrew's back, we're going to get into our next topic here.
	I know you had some pre-show notes, though, before we move on from some of this stuff.
	Pull up your notes.
	It's Jolie, right?
	Yes.
	You said that you're confident in arguing against sex workers, only fans in the porn industry.
	You're hugely against it and can get fired up for it.
	You have also, well, that's something else.
	So what's your arguments against sex work?
	I just believe that it's, I think everything's a slippery slope to what's going to happen in society.
	And I think every detail matters.
	I think something like that isn't a small thing.
	It's a huge way you're not contributing to society.
	In fact, you're doing the opposite.
	You're downgrading society when you're doing that, is what I believe.
	And I understand that could be controversial.
	But the main thing is, I think parents who are in that industry are more likely or statistically not going to raise better children than the people that aren't in that industry for multiple reasons.
	One, the person that is in the industry is more likely to be in that industry for a reason.
	Second, the partner that they choose to have children with and reproduce with is most likely also not going to be the ideal partner to raise a child with.
	Third, there's going to be, there's more possibility for that child to grow up with shame.
	We've seen examples of this already on social media.
	Children speaking out of how embarrassed they are because of the industry that their parents or mother works in.
	So yeah, I just, I think it's irresponsible and I think one of the greatest contributions to society is how you raise a child and paying attention to even the partner you choose to make that child with and all of those other things I mentioned.
	Do you agree with her?
	Yes.
	I don't agree, but I'm tired after yelling.
	Like, I'm just like, I don't even.
	I'm like, I wish we could talk about that before the yelling.
	I really appreciate it.
	I really appreciate how humble you are about it.
	I truly care.
	Like, I really do care about society.
	I really care for the world to be a better place, which is why I would never yell at you because I know that's not how I'm going to get to you or change your mind.
	I genuinely care about like you understanding.
	Yeah, no, I appreciate, um, I appreciate that.
	Which is why I also like I was, I thought we were cool, but now I'm just like, I'm like, no, like that's annoying.
	Like, because it seems like a person just wants to argue rather than actually help.
	Right, right.
	Looking at me.
	Okay.
	Really quick question.
	I know you guys, is it unmute yet or no?
	Is it unmute?
	Is she has it been 10?
	We're at like 10.
	No, it's like one minute.
	One minute on the unmute.
	This would be a good opportunity for us to say, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	And guys, it's been five minutes since we last caught a Prime.
	I'm pretty sure it's bugged.
	Can somebody like test it out?
	Help.
	Test it out, boy.
	Oh, there it is.
	Trumbull.
	Thank for the Prime.
	Subanav, thank for the Prime, guys.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	If you're watching on YouTube, just open up another tab.
	Drop us a follow.
	We are doing Twitch exclusive streams.
	So if you want to see us when we're not doing the Sunday and Tuesday dating talk shows, we have streams that are available on Twitch on off days.
	Thank you guys for the primes.
	Really appreciate it.
	And also, if you're just joining us now, you didn't see the intro.
	Me and Andrew have teamed up.
	We have released a program called, well, you can find it at debateuniversity.com.
	The program is called Verbal Combat, hosted by Andrew.
	There's 80 plus videos, six hours, about six hours of content.
	If you want to learn how to become a master debater, I must insist.
	I insist.
	What's so funny, did I say something funny?
	You want to be, I insist, you must check out the course.
	It's been in the works for six months, guys.
	And yeah, be sure to check it out.
	We also have a membership, debateuniversity.com.
	Andrew, any thoughts on any other additions?
	Yeah, I have some questions.
	Oh, I'm in with a debate.
	Oh, debate, yeah.
	Well, we spent a long time on it, months constructing it.
	Again, about seven and ten DMs that I get, and I get hundreds and hundreds of them are in regards to how can I get my skills in debating up.
	So we made this course for you.
	And I do also want to say, I mean, this is not, we didn't just take a week, slap together an e-book, a PDF.
	These are high-quality videos, video content, not just some slap-together PDF or whatever.
	And also, quite frankly, if you don't buy this course, you won't know how to proceed in life.
	So one question for you, and then I'll pass it over to Andrew.
	Yeah, you're unmuted, Nick.
	Okay.
	So you guys had a bit of a back and forth, a heated exchange about the fact that she's involved in porn.
	Isn't that precisely what you do?
	No, I'm not having sex on camera.
	You've never done that?
	I mean, privately.
	But there's no, like, you've never done BG content?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	But that's my choice.
	I mean, can you confirm something for me?
	Yeah.
	So somebody sent me a text.
	I guess it's familiar with your work.
	My work.
	Your work.
	Okay, well, it has gotten leaked before because I have gotten a leak, but it was like against my will.
	And that person is actually getting investigated by the FBI and facing six months in prison.
	Nice.
	So, yeah.
	Laugh all you want.
	He lives in Seattle.
	His name's Sam.
	He's 55 years old and he will be going to prison.
	Oh, I didn't know any of that.
	Hi, hi, hi, my special agent.
	Well, the message I got said this, and you can just, yeah, you can confirm or deny, but I guess you were on a live stream and gave somebody a blowy?
	Is that right?
	No, no, no, no.
	A live stream.
	I've only done Adam, Ice Poseidon a long time ago, and then I've done my own live streams.
	No, I've never given a blowy.
	Like I didn't know the context.
	I'm just asking.
	That's not true.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	If it was true, I will sit here and I will stand on it.
	So, what about their argument?
	I was actually trying to be positive and trying to say, hey, you're 19.
	When I was 19, I was in university.
	Why not, you know, try something to do better?
	Change it up a bit.
	There's 18 and 19-year-olds that don't even give their life a chance that just jump straight into it.
	It's like, you know, why didn't you try to?
	You know, when I was 18, I worked at McDonald's.
	Yeah.
	Truth begins.
	Well, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Let me ask my second question.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So you can confirm this for me or deny it.
	Is this the only child you have is with this guy?
	Yeah, I can't have any more children.
	Okay.
	Like medically, yeah.
	Okay.
	So then I'll die.
	So that's all good.
	That's the only one you have.
	That's the only child I have.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So I just wanted to just wanted to clarify.
	I unfortunately cannot have any more children.
	Okay.
	So.
	So now they made essentially their argument to you is: how's a prostitute calling me on prostitution?
	That's the argument, essentially.
	I mean, I'm not a prostitute.
	I have an OnlyFans, but I've also.
	How's that not?
	I've made a lot more money than these girls sitting right here.
	So do you know what?
	Even, you know, people in my family have encouraged me to keep an OnlyFans because it generates more income.
	Why just sit in my house all day and just live off my savings?
	I could do that, but eventually, you know, that money's going to run out maybe like in 10, 15 years, whatever it may take.
	So wait a second.
	You're rich, but you have a prostitute.
	I also spent $32,000 in a month.
	Well, how much do you make on your OnlyFans?
	It doesn't matter.
	I don't want to say exactly.
	As a percentage of your income.
	But you're a millionaire.
	No, I'm not a millionaire.
	I said.
	She said close to.
	But I'm saying, if I sat at my house all day and just said, okay, I'm going to live off my savings, okay?
	And I just had a C-section, I can't, like, hypothetically, if I were to work, it's going to be hard.
	And, you know, I just had the baby a month ago.
	So, I mean, I can't really like.
	So, but I mean, if you're making excuses to do sex work, how can you lecture people for making excuses when they're doing sex work?
	I mean, they're young, so I wish I had a fucking young.
	You're 26.
	I am young.
	I'm almost 30.
	Yeah.
	You're not walking around with a walker, Grandma, right?
	So, what's going on here?
	But, I mean, you know, I consider myself old, unfortunately.
	So when I see like young girls, I'm like, you know, you should have at least given it a chance, you know?
	Yeah, no, okay, I understand.
	But what is the actual refutation to you're a prostitute?
	Yeah, but so would I. I'm not a prostitute.
	Hang on.
	Listen to what I'm saying.
	Okay.
	Do I?
	Is there guys that give me medical things?
	Let me finish.
	What would the refutation be to you're a prostitute?
	No, you're a prostitute and you're both prostitute.
	What would the actual refutation be?
	I mean, if you want to get technical, I do want to get technical.
	I love technicality.
	Yes, there is an OnlyFans that I have, and there's pictures on there.
	Which you sell.
	Yes, which I sell.
	How is that not prostitution?
	Because there was Playboy back then.
	It just was pay to do Playboy.
	So Playboy's prostitution.
	I don't agree with that.
	Why?
	What would be the distinction?
	I mean, they're making the choice to do that.
	So are hookers.
	They're making the choice to do that.
	I am not the same as a prostitute.
	Why?
	What's the distinction?
	I'm not having sex with people.
	Why would that?
	Whoa, wait.
	So, wait, hang on.
	So, let me get this right.
	If a prostitute prostitute goes up to a guy's room, right?
	And she just dances naked for him and he jerks off to it.
	She's not a prostitute?
	Yeah, that is the prostitute.
	Yeah, that's not prostitute cooking.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	It's online.
	You need to protect the comfort of your house.
	But hypothetically, I really don't have to have one, but I don't want to go to 10 years down.
	I mean, I'm not going to go broke.
	I own a house.
	You're just filibustering.
	So let me finish that.
	Let me finish the question.
	Great.
	I'm never going to let you evade, no matter how much you filibuster.
	You can have to answer.
	There's many millionaires that have OnlyFans.
	Bella Thorne, Daniel Brugoli, Bad Baby.
	There's many celebrities.
	So when you get a million.
	Total obfuscation.
	So listen, because I want to finish what she said.
	How about you have to be able to do that?
	Many millionaires with OnlyFans, honey.
	Many millionaires are OnlyFans.
	Finish this way.
	Okay, maybe you've made nothing.
	Maybe you've made a couple thousand dollars.
	Congratulations.
	Wait, okay.
	Many millionaires are an OnlyFans.
	I thought you were making me ugly because no, I'm replying to what she said.
	She said, if you're money, then why are you an OnlyFans?
	Yeah, I know, but you're telling her, like, oh, like, give it a shot.
	Yeah, give it a shot.
	Go work a normal job.
	Go give it a shot.
	I am.
	I am.
	I work at a pharmacy.
	I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I can do it.
	I'm not talking about you.
	I'm talking about.
	I'm not her having a normal job.
	Okay, well, then don't diss me and I won't diss you for making $23 an hour.
	No, don't diss children.
	Don't go.
	Don't diss me when you make $23 an hour.
	She just did shit.
	I'm giving it a shot.
	I'm giving it a shot, like you said.
	I'm giving it a shot.
	I wasn't referencing you.
	Don't be hypocritical.
	Please.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hang on.
	I can do whatever I want at that end.
	So nothing is going to happen.
	No, it doesn't apply because the difference is you guys have to work for the rest of your life and I don't.
	So let me move this back.
	Because that's the reality of it.
	No.
	Do you know what?
	If I actually flip my real estate, I'm good.
	And then I keep buying condos.
	I could do that and buy houses.
	You don't have the ability.
	You don't have the ability to do that.
	That's really good for you.
	You don't have the ability to do that for you.
	Don't tell me what to do with my life and what I do for my family.
	Simple.
	I can sell my house and go buy two condos.
	That's good.
	And then I can buy a condo at the fucking truck tower.
	I don't even need to see that.
	So let's start there.
	All right, all right.
	Great.
	Yeah, I am.
	Hang on.
	I could do real estate for the rest of my life.
	You're going to be stuck making $23 an hour and you're going to be fucking sitting here and fucking complaining.
	$23 an hour is fine.
	That's really pretty good.
	No, it's poverty.
	You can't sell.
	Do you know why?
	If she had a kid, good luck's a good person.
	I'm saying hypothetically, if you had a kid, good luck's trying to support you and your kids.
	Bro, I'm explaining that.
	I saw a couple years ago.
	I supported an entire family on less than that, but okay.
	So, anyways, it's going to be uncomfortable if you live in California.
	So I'll start there.
	I did it in a very expensive.
	But did you have a partner to help you?
	No, she stayed at home and took care of my kids.
	But you're still a man.
	Period.
	What would the hell do you put?
	What do you think?
	She's like, you know, typically get paid more and you probably had a problem with that.
	Making $23 an hour, that's less money than when a man.
	Maybe I don't know how much $23 an hour is because I don't work.
	Because you're not going to be able to do that.
	And like I said, no, do you know why?
	I can go and buy property and continue to sell it.
	I already bought a house and I'm comfortable with the house renting it out and collecting my money every month.
	You can do it on Halloween.
	Okay, so let's back up to this conversation because I'd like to finish it.
	Yeah.
	These girls just don't stop.
	I don't want to sit next to these fucking people.
	They're long.
	They're fine.
	Why are you hating?
	Look at you.
	You're a fucking hater.
	Look at your face.
	Seriously, what is her face?
	She's talking to me.
	I'm fucking respect.
	If you give me respect, I'll give you respect, but you have no real effect to respond.
	No one's out of nothing.
	Yeah, you're being fucking sarcastic.
	Come on, let's be real.
	All right, let's be real.
	Okay.
	How would there actually be a if bitches want to go?
	I will put this out.
	You said that you're a debater.
	I want best debate.
	And you're a fellow buster.
	Let's bring it, bitches.
	Best debater.
	You're in my middle school.
	Best.
	And guess what?
	I'm better than you.
	So bye.
	Listen to your voice.
	You're better than a lot of things.
	So don't fucking come after me.
	I've been doing social media since 2016.
	I've almost a million followers.
	You're yelling.
	I worked my ass off for where I'm at now.
	Bye.
	I didn't get everything fucking handed to me in the beginning.
	But you're still a prostitute.
	I'm not a prostitute.
	I'm not a prostitute.
	How is that not prostitution?
	It's online.
	There's a difference between actually going around and having sex and getting money with other people.
	Then why, when I gave you the example, did you say that was still a prostitute?
	I'm saying online, but you don't have to leave your house.
	You don't have to meet up with anyone.
	Why would that matter?
	Because that is a real prostitute.
	By definition, that is a prostitute.
	No, a prostitute is somebody who sells sexual favors for money.
	You can get arrested for being a little bit more.
	No, unless you're in Nevada, right?
	Then he can't be arrested.
	Then he can work legally.
	No, that's actually the ranch.
	It's like an album.
	Yeah, so you can work legally as a prostitute.
	You can in Nevada.
	What is the actual distinction here?
	It doesn't matter the difference.
	It doesn't matter.
	Listen, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Can I finish?
	Can I finish?
	Okay, listen.
	The difference between me and my friends.
	No, no.
	The difference between.
	Can I talk?
	No.
	Can I talk?
	Can anybody else talk?
	Ah, ah, ah.
	You have your chat.
	I'll let you have your mom.
	Difference between me and other people, I don't have to.
	I'm sorry by the neck like the old dog.
	I'm sorry.
	I like my face too much.
	You get hit.
	I've never lost a fight.
	Okay.
	That's okay.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, I have money, but I could be a little ghetto.
	Okay, let's bring it.
	My family's from New Jersey.
	I'm from New Jersey, too.
	I'm not acting like you.
	Well, guess what?
	I'm a little.
	I don't care.
	Guess what?
	I'm a little trash, and guess what?
	You're much trashier than me, honey.
	You're fucking porn star.
	One prostitute to another.
	She's having sex on camera for money with multiple men and then trying to get a fucking job.
	She's still on the internet.
	It doesn't matter.
	I'm not having sex.
	No one for multiple men.
	No one's taking it.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Do you know what?
	I don't care.
	You're trying to be against me.
	Let's go right now.
	Do you want me to come out?
	I'm not against you.
	I don't give a fuck if you're against me.
	You're broke too.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Okay.
	At least she's pretty.
	Shut up.
	I'm not married.
	Honestly, I'm accused of my degree.
	I didn't get a degree in liberal arts.
	Okay, I didn't get it.
	I got a degree in marketing.
	So let's start there.
	What happened?
	What happened?
	You're only fans?
	No.
	Marketing.
	I don't get a lot of money.
	I don't need to do any of that.
	You want to insult my looks?
	Look at your fucking looks.
	Shut the fuck up.
	I may be broke, but I have the class enough to have a man's provide for me.
	I don't care.
	My man does actually provide for me.
	I do help with the rent because I have the financial, because I'm renting a place in California, but I own property in Nashville, Tennessee.
	I do whatever I want.
	I really don't care.
	I just, I have to say, I don't care.
	Until you have $100,000 in cash, I don't want you to fucking talk to me.
	Okay?
	Bring me $100,000 fucking dollars in cash.
	Why are you doing that?
	You give this shit to me.
	Okay?
	You too.
	$100,000.
	$100,000.
	You can't do it.
	So shut the fuck up.
	Out of 10.
	I feel like you're playing the bid up.
	If none of you have that much money, if you're not richer than me, I want you to shut the fuck up.
	What does I have to do?
	If you are not richer than me, I want you to shut the fuck up and don't talk about sponsor.
	It's like, get your finger out of my thoughts.
	Do you know why?
	Get your finger.
	I don't give a fuck.
	You guys think it's all funny?
	You're gonna end up fucking homeless in the streets.
	I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen to you.
	Good luck with your fucking $23 an hour.
	Thank you.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Why?
	You're so giving me that.
	She's so nice.
	She's just like, why?
	Ugo, you're better.
	Okay.
	Because anybody talks to me like that is all nice.
	Okay.
	Enough coming for me.
	Let's go to the next topic and let's choose another topic.
	I'm just coming.
	Let's keep going.
	Do you know what?
	No, I don't know why.
	What?
	That's it.
	I don't want to hear it.
	Just yourself.
	Like, I wouldn't have to.
	Bro, you're literally on their podcast.
	Yeah, you're on their podcast for the next episode.
	They can talk to me.
	You can't talk to me.
	I'm sure they have a lot of money.
	Okay, then why are you trashing them?
	You're on their podcast.
	You're on their chair.
	You're in their poverty.
	Humble yourself.
	Humble yourself.
	I don't have a lot of money.
	Humble yourself there.
	Okay, well, do you know what?
	It doesn't matter.
	But I'm still not a prostitute.
	Okay, whatever.
	I don't know.
	At that point, I don't want to point that out.
	At that point, whatever.
	It doesn't matter.
	All right, a little more popcorn urine for that one.
	That was good.
	I thought the popcorn was fake.
	I already knew people were going to come out.
	I thought it was fake until you started eating it.
	You know, I would have given you some popcorn.
	I asked you for some needle.
	Yeah, I know.
	You did, because you've been a Brett.
	Whoa, you did deal with some shit.
	I'll give you some popcorn.
	Can we both help?
	Maybe you should try that.
	Not you.
	What?
	Poison hands.
	It's tainted.
	I can't eat that.
	First of all, I had to put my hand in it.
	I only touched the one kernel.
	Wow, quiet.
	Crickets.
	Let's go.
	I'm ready.
	Who wants to come after me next?
	Well, okay, so here's how getcha.
	So hold on.
	You're actually going to be able to do that.
	Do me a favor.
	Do me a favor.
	So, the way that this podcast, yeah, you got to stop talking if somebody else is talking, whether it's me, whether it's another person.
	SL underscore I.d. underscore F9R2C0FF17A3005.
	I may be crazy.
	I'll give you the crazy.
	$100.
	As a multi-millionaire, I can't do it.
	I'll give it to you too.
	I might be a little crazy.
	I'm not going to care about simple things like this.
	Sproad is losing her mind Dover.
	She's absolutely broke, insecure, and crazy.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Definitely crazy.
	I'll give you that.
	Appreciate it.
	So, look, for this podcast to work, if somebody else is talking, you can't be interrupting.
	You got to let them finish.
	Andrew was trying to multiple times arrive at asking you a question, and you would just immediately divert to attacking one of them two.
	So if I'm talking, Andrew's talking, anybody's talking, let them finish their thing.
	You can respond.
	And then we can have a hopefully civil conversation.
	Yeah, for her.
	She took my popcorn.
	I didn't ask her.
	Rude.
	Yeah, that was fucking rude.
	Me.
	Rude.
	Maddie, can you pass the popcorns back over?
	I only took one.
	Just pass both of them back over.
	One too many.
	Why don't I read a couple chats here while we're actually, Maddie?
	Here, you read these, Maddie.
	Just pass them.
	Next to Andrew is an ideal partner.
	She is smart, logical, and understands long-term effects.
	Woke virus is grooming.
	She also just seems to genuinely be a nice person.
	Congress passed laws to help prevent sexuality of kids.
	Just watch because parents care about that.
	All right, Avalos, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	This lady talking about money in homes is extremely insecure.
	It couldn't be more obvious.
	All right, Pelagic, thank you for the $200 soup chat.
	Okay.
	Normally I would ask if you want to address that, but I'm a little yeah, so thank you, Pelagic.
	Appreciate the soup chat man.
	Guys, like the video.
	Like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
	Now, I don't know, Andrew, if you want to continue on with your.
	I do want to continue on.
	A couple of critiques.
	So, you critique her over here.
	You are not actually a sex worker, correct?
	No.
	Okay.
	Can I ask you, do you think you're better than a sex worker?
	No, because I have friends who are in that.
	That's too bad.
	I was hoping you would say yes, and that was going to be like, ah, some credit words to do.
	So, just backing up, though, you do have a regular job.
	I do, yes.
	Monday to Friday.
	So, can I ask you, what were you even going off on her about?
	Her?
	Because she stepped in.
	Yeah, to say that it's hypocritical for me.
	No, I'm going to attack you.
	For you, a prostitute.
	No, actually, I actually had good intentions with her.
	I was actually trying to be positive, but they don't, you know, they're 19.
	They don't know any better.
	So, you know, that's just what it is.
	If she wants to step in, I'm going to attack.
	That's how it is.
	If she stepped in, I attacked her.
	So let's go.
	Well, it occurs to me that you were kind of the aggressor and the belligerent.
	I can be the aggressor.
	I don't care.
	Don't start up with me.
	I'll end it.
	No, but I mean, like, I don't, it seems, you kind of just started going off.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Look me up.
	Go watch my old YouTube streams with CX Network.
	You'll see me going off all the time.
	I have more time to do.
	Okay.
	Nobody's asking you because nobody gives a fuck about you.
	Let's go.
	I mean, you are a loser.
	Keep that in mind.
	You have a thousand people.
	I feel like now.
	I feel like now, I think it's performative and it's a bit.
	I think you're just doing something.
	No, I'm not doing it.
	I'm not doing a bit.
	I'm honest.
	I don't give a fuck.
	You're doing something about me.
	I hope it is.
	Do you know what?
	It's not a bit.
	It's a bit.
	I don't care.
	They come after me.
	I'm going 10 times harder at them.
	Okay?
	That's how it is.
	You come after them.
	10 times harder out.
	I'm going 10 times harder than them, and I'm not going to stop.
	Beef is for life, so let's go.
	Beef is for life.
	Beef is not beef with you.
	Okay, then don't fucking have beef with me.
	Period.
	End of story.
	Anybody wants to fucking smoke?
	Come on right now.
	I'll catch you outside.
	That's my favorite.
	You catch me outside.
	I'm not trying to be like that.
	But seriously, if anybody wants to do something, actually, I just had a C-section, so technically I can't fight right now.
	But, you know, if I was 100% healthy, it would be a fucking different story.
	If you were two decibels louder, would your scar explode?
	Okay.
	Well, my scar is technically still open.
	It's healing.
	You know, that was very traumatic.
	Maybe you should calm down, Matt.
	I should probably calm down.
	Yeah.
	You know, I probably should, you know, whatever.
	I will give it to the chat that said I'm crazy.
	Yeah, I'm fucking crazy, and I don't give a fuck.
	How about that?
	And dumb.
	I'm not dumb.
	I'm definitely not dumb.
	Are you sure?
	I'm 138 IQ.
	I'm not dumb.
	You don't have 138 IQ.
	I do have 138 IQ.
	You can't count to 138.
	Who are you to say that I'm dumb?
	Well, just I can't.
	I went to university.
	Oh, I went to university.
	What'd you do?
	And the money?
	No, she said she didn't get anywhere with it.
	Incredible.
	No, I said marketing.
	Yeah, you didn't do anything.
	I didn't do anything with my degree, and that's my choice.
	I never have to work with you.
	That doesn't sound very simple.
	It sounds kind of dumb.
	Why don't you focus on that?
	I never have to work again.
	You focus on working for 20 years old.
	It doesn't matter how much you're doing.
	Holy crap, you're going to stay where you're at right now.
	I promise you.
	First of all, I got a $2 raise last week.
	What do you think?
	$2 an hour.
	Okay, I'll throw that $2 an hour in your fucking face.
	Bye.
	Wait, I have like a genuine question for you.
	Like, please don't attack me.
	It's just a genuine question.
	Don't do it, Maddie.
	It's a trap.
	I would just, you know, I'm going to.
	Yeah, no, I understand like you were careful.
	You say that you don't have to work for the rest of the world.
	Do you realize what's stopping you from stopping OnlyFans and just putting all your time into raising your child?
	That's what I mean.
	To be honest, I love money.
	And me and my dad had this talk.
	It would be stupid for me to shut down my OnlyFans.
	Oh, your dad's in favor.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So my dad said that.
	I want you to do all this stuff.
	My dad said that you've made a lot of money and you need to keep going.
	I said, I can shut it down.
	He goes, that would be the most retarded.
	What?
	Didn't you say you didn't care about money?
	Like, all you care about is having a happy family?
	I do, but I love you.
	How did I get it?
	I don't care if you're not.
	Don't talk to me unless you're rich.
	Yeah, don't talk to me unless you have $100.
	But the year before, like, I don't care if I'm broke as long as I have my family.
	Well, do you know what?
	At the end of the day, hypothetically, if that were to happen, no, realistically, not hypothetically, hypothetically, if that were to ever happen, I would still be okay.
	I used to be broke when I was your guys this age, and I was just fucking.
	I thought you were doing so much at our age.
	No, 19, 19.
	Your age, I was living in a penthouse.
	And when I was your age and literally just started everything, I was really broke.
	I was working, I had worked at McDonald's and I was like, what, 18, 19, and then I went to university.
	I live in my own house with my two roommates.
	I'm going to go.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Go back to my friends.
	Roommates.
	You can't afford the full rent, so you have to.
	No, I can't.
	All right, all right.
	All right.
	She has roommates, guys.
	That's all you need to know about her.
	I love them.
	She has roommates because she makes $23 an hour.
	Literally.
	We're going to start it like that.
	Who the fuck said that?
	Me.
	You said that.
	Shut the fuck up.
	You could shut the fuck up, too.
	What's that?
	What's that, bitch?
	You want to say something?
	Come say it to me.
	I've been talking.
	Shut the fuck up.
	You're a fucking clout chasing hoe.
	That's why you're on here.
	And guess what?
	No, that's you.
	That's right.
	I already have followers.
	I'm on a question.
	I'm taking advantage of that.
	Next question.
	I'm not clout chasing hoe.
	That's you, honey.
	That's why you're doing porn.
	Professional porn.
	And you can't get a boyfriend.
	You should not get a boyfriend because nobody wants to fuck you after you just fucked five guys.
	Big.
	And come home to that.
	Nobody wants to do that.
	You literally fuck yourself up.
	As long as you send other guys your nudes, that's okay.
	You know what?
	I don't give a fuck.
	It's on the phone.
	At the end of the day, I don't even know you got you guys like that, so it doesn't even matter.
	I'll never see you guys again in my life.
	Great.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, great.
	What would you think about your future husband if he told your daughter that it was okay for her?
	Honestly, he's not okay.
	Just wish her hat.
	Nope.
	Shut up yelling, psycho.
	You have nothing of value to say.
	I feel bad for your child.
	I do feel bad for you.
	What an awful mother you're going to be.
	I will come after you right now.
	Oh, do not talk to her.
	You know, I can actually sue for that.
	If you want to talk about Sue, I can actually sue for that.
	That's a threat.
	So I can actually sue for that.
	Wait, did they like mute her again or something?
	I guess they muted me.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're muted.
	Just Gerald, thank you for the mute.
	Appreciate it.
	10 minutes, 10-minute mute.
	I don't need to talk to these people.
	All right, I'm going to get to talk to any people.
	You're a fucking drama starter.
	You found out that you're going to be a little bit more following.
	You've been muted.
	You guys know I have followers because I literally said it in my intro.
	So, Jesse, do me a favor.
	You've been muted, so let us carry on with the conversation here.
	So, hey, you want some popcorn?
	No, I don't.
	Are you sure you don't need popcorn?
	No, I don't.
	Now, Jolie going over here to Jolie.
	It had like gold on it.
	I'm not going to, I don't give a fuck about anything that you don't.
	You got to stop talking.
	Do me a favor and stop talking.
	Okay, so, Jolie.
	I think I should remove myself before I hear anybody else.
	You can do that.
	Because I just.
	Okay.
	Why don't you just not spur people?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because they're coming after me.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you can.
	Okay.
	I feel like you're offended.
	Yeah, you're the one who offended me because you're leaving, girl.
	You're offended, but whatever.
	Give us a rage, quit.
	Give us the rage, quit.
	Enough.
	You keep calling all these broke people losers.
	Not you.
	You're pretty cool.
	I like you.
	You're an angel.
	You just gotta go.
	Can you just get it?
	Nice meeting you guys.
	Good luck in life.
	Yeah, can yep.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for coming.
	Congrats on the baby.
	This is Sparta!
	Afuera!
	Peace out!
	Peace out, you too, homie.
	Great to see you.
	Glad you can make it.
	That was scary.
	You handled that like a trooper.
	Good job.
	AB check, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Hold on, one sec.
	Great combo.
	Yeah, very combo, Dr. Very spot a lot out of that.
	You guys made a lot of headway, don't you think?
	I learned a lot from that.
	I didn't learn shit.
	I was just the eye person and heard that people are just children.
	Baddie, baddie.
	Champagne pop, Ryan.
	What are you doing?
	Thank God she's gone.
	Let's celebrate.
	She's still yapping.
	She's still.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	No, she's not.
	Hang on.
	Okay, she's good.
	All right.
	It's all good.
	I love how she was like, I'm going to, I would sue if I paid for my boyfriend.
	And then she threatens me, and I'm like, that's champagne pop.
	That's the baddest shot ever got.
	Give me no sound like being hit in my life.
	Me too.
	She's like, you want to go?
	I thought she was going to actually hit me.
	Dude, as soon as she started attacking you, I was like, oh no.
	I cracked my finger as I said, all right.
	I'm diving in.
	Literally.
	No, that was definitely for like Klow.
	When DGens fight, I will.
	It's Morgan.
	Tell them about the $1,000 donation for your video.
	Wait, the what?
	The $1,000 donation for your video.
	I don't think any of these count towards that yeah I know but I'm just saying first we're going to show Andrew's photo and then I'll talk about it First, let me pop the champagne.
	That was interesting.
	I mean, she was obviously...
	I literally was definitely Klow or whatever.
	You dang?
	I really think she's actually like that.
	Low-key.
	I think it was like half of it.
	No, bro.
	Nobody's that like.
	I would have calmed down after a while.
	I was like, I was just like, yeah, no, you guys enjoyed it.
	I was enjoying it.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I was like, oh my God.
	Oh, here we go.
	She came in being like, I'm very, I just feel so old to be here.
	Like, I'm not too old to be here.
	And then to be like, you're a broke loser.
	Like, she says, I'm 18.
	I have a thousand followers.
	You were out of line the whole time.
	What?
	You got right up in her face.
	I'm thinking, why don't you calm down next time?
	I couldn't stop staring at her eyeliner the whole time.
	Dude, oh my god, I don't know.
	I'm a dude.
	What was wrong with me?
	It was very big.
	I wanted to go and just wipe it so bad.
	Let me clean my creases before I touch it.
	Well, that was interesting.
	All right.
	Beef for life.
	Beef for life.
	I was like, no one has beef with you.
	Dude, maybe finish my Celsius.
	I've never done that before.
	That's your next tattoo.
	Beef for life.
	Maybe it'll be my next tattoo.
	Okay, champagne.
	Room two.
	All right.
	Who was it, by the way?
	I should thank them.
	I forgot the name.
	Who was it?
	Let me look.
	just gerald was it just it was got boop could i have more chanel It's just Gerald.
	Oh.
	Yeah, Gerald.
	Thank you so much for, he muted.
	Two mutes and champagne popping.
	Oh, it never worked.
	You are a legend.
	She would keep yelling.
	But Gerald, thank you for the champagne pot.
	Much appreciated.
	Definitely.
	And then some.
	Got booped.
	This man just eating on stream, not giving a single fuck.
	That was Andrew enjoying the popcorn, the delicious.
	Really, really good popcorn.
	Delicious popcorn.
	Top-tier popcorn.
	It's only really good.
	Thank you, God, did I say that out loud?
	Shit.
	It's valid.
	I think so.
	Did you say valid?
	Yeah.
	Welcome.
	We have Morgan joining us.
	Morgan, do you want to introduce yourself?
	I'm Morgan.
	Introduce, like, okay.
	That's it.
	What?
	They already know.
	I'm 18.
	I go to the city college and I'm majoring in political science.
	Yo, chat, are you pleased with the replacement?
	Chat, are you pleased?
	Do you prefer the color?
	Like the hat.
	I don't know.
	She was wearing yellow, but now it's like colorful.
	It's like pink and this one's not a prostitute.
	Oh, shit.
	This one.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Right from the penis.
	When did I last do the Twitch?
	Yeah, we'll do Twitch a little later.
	And we'll do the hush.
	The last time.
	Okay, ask everyone, Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to ten.
	Can't pick seven.
	Okay, hang on.
	Let me clarify the question.
	Let me clarify it.
	Well, I think we should let them answer this one, and then you ask your follow-up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Bro, I don't want to answer.
	You have, okay, hold on.
	You got to answer this one.
	It's so subjective.
	Like, I don't want to, I don't want to answer.
	Yeah, what do you subjectively think if you had to rate your physical looks just in the micron?
	What would it be?
	Can't say seven.
	I already know.
	Eight.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'll say eight.
	I'll say eight and a half.
	Bro.
	Eight.
	Yeah, eight.
	Actually, everyone's saying eight.
	So what do you, what do you?
	I'll go eight.
	Hold on, no, Don't follow the trend.
	You can't just, because everybody else is saying, like, it's, I mean, maybe you do.
	That's what you think.
	I mean, sure.
	But you prefaced eight by everybody else is picking eight, so I'm going to pick eight.
	Was that going to be your original answer?
	No.
	What was your original answer?
	I'm a little jet lagged.
	I'm a little not looking my best today.
	You were going to say ten.
	No.
	Oh.
	No.
	What were you going to say?
	Like six.
	But now you're an eight because you're jet lagged?
	No, no.
	You're too far from you guys into the table a little bit.
	No, I was going to say six, and then everyone was saying eight, so I said eight.
	Okay, I'll be six.
	I'll be six with you, girl.
	I can't say seven.
	Nope.
	Six, why can't we say seven?
	Okay, Andrew, what about you?
	Four.
	I give myself a five.
	Now, Andrew, if you want to ask your follow-up question.
	Let me ask the question again.
	Yes, I understand it's subjective.
	If you look around, you have to admit that the woman next to you looks nothing like you, right?
	And the woman next to her looks nothing like her.
	But somehow you're all in the same category, looks wise.
	Does that sound rational to you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who's the prettiest girl in the room?
	No, no, no.
	Let her answer.
	Who's the prettiest girl here?
	To me, that I think is prettier?
	Who's the prettiest girl in the room?
	I love everybody, but I think she's prettier.
	Okay, who's the prettiest girl in the room?
	Okay, she's the prettiest.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Who's the prettiest girl in the room?
	Madison?
	Who's the prettiest girl in the room?
	I don't know her name, but the Morgan.
	It's really weird that suddenly you have standards which you can subjectively apply and pick out who the most bestest looking girl is in the room.
	Somehow, when it comes to yourself, you always land on about the same number, which is, I'm perfect.
	Right?
	Eight, that's like, let's say there's no nines or tens, right?
	They're real rare.
	Like, if you see one, they block out the sun.
	That's how intensely gorgeous they are.
	Would you change your answer based on this?
	I said eight, not for like face, but for body.
	Like, I thought, like, I think I have a nice body, so that, like, raises my looks, I guess.
	So, okay, give us your face rating and your body rating.
	Uh, face, probably like a six, and then body eight.
	Or, yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	So, still an eight.
	Yeah.
	So, like, that's what I was thinking of.
	Think of a famous person for me who's a nine and tell me her name.
	Who's a nine?
	Nah, no help.
	Don't cheat.
	Well, now that you put me on the spot, I'm trying to like think of a person.
	I'm like blank now.
	Can't think of one.
	One female who's a nine?
	Not one?
	Not one female who's a nine.
	No, there's definitely nines.
	And I'll say that.
	Okay, what do you think?
	I'm trying to think of someone that's like well-known.
	That's a nine.
	Or like, you're saying a nine based off of my own standard or the society's your standard.
	That one that makes you an eight.
	I can't think of a person.
	Okay.
	Name four actresses.
	Kristen Stewart.
	I think she's really pretty.
	Four pop singers?
	Um...
	Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Olivia Rodrigo, and who's a fourth?
	Fourth one, just make it any singer.
	Who's a female?
	Billie Eilish.
	Billie Eilish.
	So you're more attractive than Katy Perry?
	Um, I don't really remember what she looks like.
	But yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	You can't think of a single actress who's a nine, though.
	Or singer?
	What about singer?
	Can you think of a single singer who's a nine?
	You're just one step below.
	Okay, well, I think, I think Olivia Rodrigo is a nine.
	I think she's really pretty.
	So you're just one step below her?
	Sure.
	Is that what you actually think?
	Well, yeah, based off the rating that we gave.
	Yeah, not based off the rating, you can revise the rating you gave.
	But you think she's a nine?
	Yeah, I'll say I'm an eight.
	You're an eight.
	Okay.
	But like, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, same to you.
	Three nines who you can think of who are women.
	Megan Fox, Julia Roberts, and the.
	If Megan Fox is a nine, how the fuck are you an eight?
	No, no, no.
	She's a 10 to me.
	She's a 12,000.
	She's an infinite.
	Even if she's a 10, how could that make you an eight?
	Well, if you're comparing, if I'm comparing myself, if we're going to that scale, then it was next to Megan Fox, I'd put myself at like a three or four.
	Realistically.
	Realistically.
	I'm going to be honest.
	Okay, okay, then back up.
	You got to help me out here.
	Okay.
	If thing over here 10, you eight.
	But if you compare yourself to thing 10, you four, how can you be an eight?
	Wait, wait, what?
	She's a 10.
	Yes.
	You're an eight.
	Not next to her.
	Yeah, next to her, you're a four.
	Yeah.
	But she's a 10.
	Yeah.
	You realize there's only 10 numbers on this scale.
	Yes.
	I'm not the ugliest girl in the world, but I'm a girl.
	I'm not saying you are, right?
	Not saying that you're the ugliest girl in the world, prettiest girl in the world.
	I'm not saying anything.
	There's 10 numbers on the scale.
	How can you put yourself up next to a number which is higher than you and then say, when I'm up next to the number higher than me, it lowers my number?
	That makes no sense.
	I mean, I guess you're right, it really doesn't, but since you're asking the question, like realistically, now that I think about it, you know, like there is, you know, Megan Fox, like she is a standard, like she is a beauty standard, you know?
	So obviously I don't fit in that beauty standard.
	I would not categorize myself as an eight in that beauty standard with Megan Fox.
	So then what would you categorize yourself as?
	Like a four or a five.
	A four or a five.
	What about you compared to Megan Fox?
	Like a three.
	Like a three.
	You realize there's.
	But that's like in the context of comparison me and versus her, not just like the general question.
	It's all women between one to ten.
	So if you categorize yourself as an eight, it's a comparison to all women on the world.
	But originally, the question wasn't comparing us to other women.
	It was just initially can't pick seven.
	How can you rate your looks unless you're comparing them to other women's looks?
	Well, but I wasn't when I said the answer.
	But now we have to.
	Then what were you using as your metric?
	Just whatever came to my mind.
	Like, as to how I feel today.
	Like, tomorrow, if you ask me, I could feel like a three tomorrow, you know?
	If I don't have makeup done or a cute outfit, maybe I'm a three tomorrow.
	What the fuck does it have to do with how you feel?
	That's how I feel today.
	I feel like an eight today.
	Okay.
	So it clearly was miscommunicated.
	So I'm going to ask again.
	Based on physical looks only in comparison to all of the women who exist in the world, the scale is one to ten for all of them.
	Where do you fit?
	Three.
	Three.
	Do you revise or no?
	You don't look like you're going to.
	You look like you're going to stubborn it out.
	But you can change your answer if you want to.
	I mean maybe a six.
	Four.
	Now you're a four.
	Yes.
	So what changed when we're asking you on a scale of one to ten, rate yourself looks wise?
	What did you think that that meant?
	I just meant like, you know, like you're just like, you know, you're cute.
	You're pretty.
	Yeah, like how do you feel right now?
	That's how I put it.
	Because like, if I came on here with no makeup and like hair and just outfit not cute, like I would, I would rank myself lower.
	But just like how I feel today, I feel like an eight today.
	But I wasn't thinking about other women when I was saying that.
	But do you think that your physical beauty is based around how you feel?
	Yeah.
	Let's say you feel bad about it, right?
	Say you dial yourself up and you look even better than you do right now, but you just don't feel good that day.
	How would that actually diminish your physical beauty?
	In reality, no, I would be the same person.
	But it would change my perspective.
	Sure, but in reality, it wouldn't, right?
	So why wouldn't you just base the answer on what in reality is true?
	Because it's all about perspective.
	my perspective now was and your perspective when it was Megan Fox Was changed.
	Yeah.
	Like the factors in the question changed because you didn't change.
	Nope.
	The factors never changed.
	They did change because you brought in Megan Fox as like the beauty standard to what we were comparing ourselves to.
	What were you comparing yourself?
	So then what were you comparing yourself to?
	The way I feel now.
	Well then that's not comparing yourself to me.
	That's just you saying how I feel.
	What's the comparison to?
	No, I'm saying you made the comparison because then we started talking about Megan Fox and like, how do I compare to her?
	Yeah, how can he?
	So, like, because I think she's really pretty, like, if I was someone that thought Megan Fox was ugly, I'd be like, I'm still an eight.
	But because I think she's gorgeous, of course, I'm going to be like, I'm not as pretty as her, right?
	So, it changed my answer because it's in comparison to Megan Fox now, not just how I feel right now.
	So, in compared to women that you consider to be really, really pretty, you don't consider yourself to be really, really pretty.
	No, not as pretty as them.
	Then, why would you rate yourself an eight?
	Because that wasn't factored into the question.
	Just how it was just how I feel like looks are about how we feel.
	Oh, like, like I was saying.
	You don't think there's any objective standard for looks?
	Just like the way society views like looks or yeah, yeah, of course.
	Like, there's always a standard for like who's prettier than this person, but it that wasn't factored necessarily into the initial question.
	Yeah, I think it was like what other standard could you use my personal feeling on how you feel?
	You don't think that's a little delusional?
	Okay, let's say this.
	How is that delusional?
	It's just how I feel right now.
	Let's say you're going out, right, on a like just on a date, like on a night to eat dinner.
	You get dressed, you feel you, when you dress nice, like, do you feel nice?
	Sure.
	So, when you're not dressed nice, do you feel nice?
	Let's say I don't.
	Okay, so what would you rate yourself on a day that you're dressed super nice?
	You're ready to go out to dinner, ready to go take some family photos.
	What would you rate yourself that?
	A four.
	And then, what so you do?
	Would you rate yourself the same when obviously you're not looking your best?
	And who do you compare yourself to?
	I'm still saying that to like not agree, though.
	And who do you compare yourself to?
	No, I'm saying that because I think that there's an objective beauty standard which exists.
	Right, exactly.
	Of course.
	And the reason I think there's an objective beauty standard which exists is because I have a historical standard to compare it to.
	So it seems like it exists for sure.
	That we all, so I agree that there's some subjectivity there.
	Some people like blue eyes, they like this, they like that.
	Doesn't seem like men are competing really hard for 600-pound burn victims, though, right?
	No.
	No, right.
	So there's something that we're kind of leaning towards as being pretty, beautiful, things like this.
	And I've seen you women.
	You're vicious when you're competing with each other.
	Vicious in competition.
	Judge each other like nobody's business.
	Okay, you look at me like you're skeptical.
	So let me ask you this question and honestly answer.
	When you go into a room and you sit down with a bunch of women, do you judge them in your mind?
	How pretty they are.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What are you judging them against?
	Not judging them against anything, but just kind of just judging them because I'm just a girl and like I'm always having an opinion about someone on something.
	You're going to have an opinion about how they look, right?
	Yeah, right, which is a personal.
	What are you comparing it to, though?
	The standard of beauty in their head.
	Yeah, I'm not comparing it to you.
	They're not beauty in their head, which they're relaying to society, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's just.
	Can we pull up that photo of young Andrew?
	Let's pull it up.
	Look at.
	Wow.
	That is not a Ford.
	That's not a Ford, bro.
	That's not a Ford.
	I was 19.
	I'm 40.
	You ate, bro.
	But personally, I still don't think you're a Ford.
	Yeah.
	Like, in my opinion.
	See, I'm personally into white boys, but like in high school, I am.
	I am.
	Oh, you are.
	So, like, that's your type.
	No, no, no.
	So he's like, there he doesn't look white boy.
	He doesn't look like a white boy.
	I think he looks white boy.
	No.
	What does he look like?
	You just look like Latino.
	What?
	What?
	Yeah, Latino.
	Like a blue-eyed Latino.
	Right, your eyes are not allowed blue in that photo.
	I'll pull the photo up.
	They don't, huh?
	They look brown in that photo.
	Yeah, they're dark.
	Andrew, did you use Latinos?
	Obviously, they're not dark.
	But it's the lighting.
	No.
	Andrew, were you affiliated with any Mexican drug gangs or anything?
	Yeah, my last name is Wilson.
	That's a really Hispanic last name, as you know.
	William.
	That's good.
	Oh, speaking of which, Maddie brought this up.
	Since Andrew revealed that young photo of him, we also have a challenge.
	Oh my God.
	I don't even want to say that so cringe.
	I have a video of me when I was 22 flexing into a webcam.
	Oh, no.
	Like your arms?
	Like, I'm wearing pants.
	But it's in like a 480p webcam.
	So for another champagne pop, I'll fucking show the video.
	Champagne.
	Only because Maddie really wants to see it.
	I want to see it.
	And then if you send in five, there's a video.
	This is Andrew asked for five.
	There's a video of him playing guitar and like singing or something, right?
	Yeah.
	What were you singing?
	I was actually roasting the shit out of my sister.
	The song was called Tetris in Drugs.
	Oh my gosh.
	Nice.
	Anyways, let's actually really quick last thing on the whole like looks thing.
	Do you think you will be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yes.
	Well, hold on, starting with you.
	I think that I'll.
	Damn, Maddie, chill.
	Sorry, gain some weight.
	You think what?
	What'd you do when you cheese-it?
	Yeah.
	I had two Cheez Hits.
	I would like to say yes if I prioritize my health and well-being.
	So better looking at 32 as compared to now at 22?
	No, I don't think that I would be better looking now.
	Wait, you just.
	But like, I hope that I would look equally as good.
	Equally as good.
	Yeah.
	Okay, do you think you will be equally as good looking at 32 as you are now at 22?
	No.
	But you hope.
	But I'd like to, yes.
	But you know for certain you won't be.
	I'm just answering the question.
	You're struggling too, but what about you?
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay, so better looking at 29 as compared to now at 19?
	Yeah, like, I mean, I always think, I don't know, like, I look up to older women and I always think they're really pretty.
	So I, you know.
	Do you think they were prettier like when they were younger?
	I feel like it's all about like how you take care of yourself, you know?
	Okay, all right.
	I'll let everybody answer this.
	Wait, so, well, better looking at 20 years.
	20 years?
	Yeah.
	So you're going to be better looking at 29 than you are now at 19.
	But what about at 39 as compared to 19?
	Maybe not.
	Maybe not?
	Yeah, maybe not.
	But so then there's a chance that you will be.
	Yeah.
	Because you said maybe.
	Like, it's not definitive for you.
	Right.
	Like.
	You're a little on the fence.
	Who knows?
	I could be like a total like MILF like when I'm 40, you know?
	Like, I could be like, you were a little MILF.
	Okay.
	But I've seen like some, like, I mean, I saw this one girl that was like 50.
	She looked like 30, and I was like, I don't know how women age so well.
	Are most of the 35-year-olds you see walking around looking as good as most of the 19, 20-year-olds you see walking around?
	Oh, no, of course not.
	But for me.
	Then the assumption really probably shouldn't be that you're going to be in that little tiny category.
	I think it could be because, you know.
	It could be.
	Right.
	What is the likelihood?
	Remember that whole risk mitigation conversation we had earlier?
	So let's use the same logic applied here, right?
	If it's true that this pool is really small and it must be because most of the women you see who are 35, 40 years old are not as attractive as women you see at 19, 20, right?
	Why do you assume you would be in that group?
	Because, I mean, it depends on what you're doing.
	Yeah, I mean, shit.
	Because I want to be.
	I mean, am I going to be like, you know, I want to be ugly when I'm 40?
	No.
	But, you know, we're going to be able to do that.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying you have to be ugly at 40.
	Just saying, do you think you'll be as attractive as you were at 20?
	I mean, probably not.
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's get everybody's answers.
	What about you?
	I honestly, I would like to think so.
	Just because, like, you know, I don't know.
	I feel like my mom and my grandma, they age really good.
	So I want to age good as them.
	Okay, so you're 20.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 30 than you are now?
	Yeah, I look more grown and more like fit into my like how like I'm gonna look.
	I feel like I would feel confident look at 30.
	I feel like hold on.
	Did I ask you about confidence?
	No, you didn't, but I feel that I would look better confidently saying that.
	Okay, what about 40?
	Will you be better looking at 40?
	No, I feel like I would be aged, definitely, a little aged.
	Okay, so you'll peak at around 30 then, in your 30s?
	Maybe, like.
	No, I won't look fully bad at my 40s, but I'll probably start peaking at my 40s.
	At my 40s, I'll probably look like I'm pushing 45.
	And at 45, I'll look like I'm pushing 50.
	Okay.
	Well, this girl left.
	She would have given an interesting answer.
	Should we have kept her, you think?
	Well, she chose to leave, so.
	Yeah, she said that she was going to go in.
	You would not let us talk.
	Well, yeah.
	It was okay.
	Like, it was.
	Yeah, anyways.
	I mean, you guys had a good back and forth.
	You two were going at it.
	Oh, me and her?
	Yeah, moving.
	They've answered this a bunch.
	What about you?
	I feel like maybe at like 25 or 26.
	Like, I'm not yelling at you.
	You're a teenager.
	You're 18 right now.
	I am 18.
	I feel like maybe not at 28.
	Okay.
	So, no.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Will you be better looking in 10 years?
	I actually do think so because I'm like overall, yes.
	Because I do plan on getting like stuff done.
	What?
	The only thing I'm pretty insecure about is kind of like my lips.
	Maybe get some lip injections.
	Maybe.
	That's it.
	Like, I want to look natural.
	I do not want to look like.
	I've never seen good looking.
	No, no.
	There is.
	There's people that do it subtly that influence.
	Like, I did not.
	So connection.
	So just so I understand this correctly.
	So you're 19.
	Yes.
	At 29, simply by virtue of you getting lip fillers.
	Not just by that.
	Well, you said you were going to get work done.
	That leads me to believe that I will look better.
	Right, but the first thing you said was you're going to get work done.
	That was the first thing, yeah, but that's not the main reason.
	That's just like one thing I listed.
	Okay.
	What else?
	Genetics.
	My mom looks really good for her age.
	She's 50.
	No one thinks she's 50.
	And I'm not saying that.
	Do you think she looks better now than she did at 30?
	No, but that's a different question.
	Like comparing her from 30 to 50 is different from comparing me 19 to 29.
	Like if you're going to ask me, am I going to look better at 40 or 50 than 29?
	Okay, then I'll say.
	Right, but your answer is a different answer to the question because you're saying my mom is attractive at 50.
	Even if I just grant that, you may very well be attractive still at 50.
	Yeah.
	But that doesn't answer the question because the question is: will you be more attractive at this advanced age than you are currently?
	That's what I'm saying.
	At 29, it's like, so at 29, I do believe I will look better because I plan on taking care of myself.
	And I don't, like, I see myself.
	I have an older sister who's around the age.
	She looks the same.
	So I do think I'll look better with taking care of myself more.
	I don't think there'll be like, I'll start aging at that time based off of what I see in my family.
	What about 20 years?
	20.
	For sure.
	I'll start, you'll see aging.
	Okay.
	So then, yes, 29, no, 39.
	But you said at 29, you'll take better care of yourself.
	So, in what ways would you are you just not eating well?
	I just recently started really getting into like my like how I eat, like being very strict on how I eat, how I work out, like skincare.
	I didn't do skincare before.
	I don't, I didn't know what that was.
	Like, there's a list of things that I do.
	Well, assuming you were doing all these, and this is for the entire panel.
	Assuming your entire life, you were living your life in such a perfect manner.
	So your diet has always been impeccable.
	Your fitness has always been impeccable.
	You've always exercised.
	Your body fat percentage is in what is deemed like a perfect range or whatever.
	Your skincare is good.
	If we consider all these things, is there ever any point that you're going to be better looking, say, if you're 20 as compared to 30?
	Sorry.
	Well, okay, so you're saying if I do all these things, let's say I just, you had all those things right now.
	Right.
	Will you, and then you have all those things in 10 years when you're 29?
	Will you still then be better looking at 29?
	No, like if I had, if I did everything that I plan to do in the future now, and if I had all the things that I wanted to do now, which is it, which isn't much, I would just say like I'm a little insecure about my body and stuff, then for sure I would look better now than in the future.
	That's like, you know.
	I mean, but you said you're like insecure about your body now.
	Look, some people get really tuned in on fitness and eating, but I would argue the vast majority of people, vast majority of people, are going to say, and I think this is more so women are going to feel this way.
	They're going to be 30 and they're going to look back at their 20-year-old selves that felt insecure about their body and be like, damn, that's when my body was the best.
	I shouldn't have been so insecure because now my body's not as good as my body used to be.
	It depends on what we're talking about.
	That's a good point.
	And I try to be in the present.
	I try to appreciate, like, I think about that.
	I'm like, one day I'm going to have kids and I'm going to have like long has like even if you didn't have kids.
	Even if you didn't have kids.
	Yeah, even without kids, I understand that.
	But I guess it just depends on what we're talking about.
	And also if you have money, I have to do that.
	You could call me delusional, but I do believe I'm going to have enough money in the future to get a mommy makeover and stuff.
	But so, like, okay, this is.
	Okay, so 20-year-old broke you versus 40-year-old you with mommy makeover, best skincare, best diet.
	You've been working out.
	Who's better looking?
	Most likely, like facially, 20-year-old me.
	Because it's like some guys my age would rather hit Kim Kardashian and she's in her 40s and I'm young and all these things and I'm not Kim Kardashian.
	Some guys would much rather go with Kim Kardashian.
	Why would they rather go for Kim Kardashian over you?
	She's more attractive physically.
	That's just like this is what it is.
	She's.
	Bro, no.
	You don't think she's more attractive than me?
	No.
	And also that I get body modifications.
	She took those out.
	Bro, she could float in the ocean.
	No, but she took out all her implants.
	I mean, I've added chat.
	Jolie.
	Jolie over here.
	I don't know if you want to stand so they can see you or some shit.
	Jolie over here.
	Jolie or Kim Kardashian now.
	Which do you pick?
	Kim is better looking.
	Jolie.
	Jolie or Jolie or Kim Kardashian.
	Also, I think your lips are perfectly fine.
	Yeah, you're lips.
	Like, they're fine.
	It's not like a deep insecurity.
	Look at that.
	Look, read, read.
	Jolie, Jolie, Jolie.
	They're all saying Jolie.
	Thank you.
	Jolie.
	What's that fucking song?
	Jolie Babby.
	Okay.
	What the fuck is a mommy makeover versus good?
	Just like a TBL, like liposuction and stuff.
	TBL?
	But no, no, no, no.
	I do my research, okay?
	There's four words.
	Yeah, like you could get a liposuction.
	And there's 360 awake liposuction where it doesn't look like fake.
	It looks like I've seen it.
	Or I could go in the gym, which is what I'm doing, go to the gym, take my protein, progressive overload, calorie surplus, and lift weights, and then get the liposuction.
	So my asses don't fake.
	And then get the liposuction.
	And then just keep getting liposuction.
	I'm just kidding.
	But my mom looks good without that.
	She hasn't done anything.
	Wait, do you genuinely think, like, if given the option, most men would rather hit Kim K than you?
	Okay, yeah.
	I don't know.
	How old is Kim Kardashian?
	Or like Megan Fox.
	Even Megan Fox, like that's a good example right there.
	I mean, it's also like a status.
	Saying that you like.
	I mean, Megan Fox would probably out-compete Kim K in comparison to you.
	I still am not sure if.
	I mean, it's a bit more of a challenge.
	Guys would hit me, it would probably be because.
	Do you think Megan Fox would like guys would rather?
	I don't know, actually.
	Megan Fox is like 30 years old.
	I feel like guys wouldn't hit Kim K for the fact that you're not going to be able to do that.
	But no, you guys, when we think of Megan Fox, I'm thinking of like Megan Fox.
	Like Transformers, Megan Fox.
	Yeah, most guys, like if you put Megan Fox as she, if she's Megan Fox, current Megan Fox is sitting right there.
	She's still hot.
	She might, I don't even know what.
	Doesn't she look kind of work done on her face.
	She has a lot of genomics.
	I think Jolie still wins.
	Can we find a recent photo of Megan Fox?
	She's probably still attractive.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But I think Jolie still takes this one.
	But don't get a big head or anything.
	No, definitely.
	Stay humble.
	Hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	Let's see.
	Megan Fox.
	Oh, she's beautiful.
	Oh, Jolie wins.
	Joe, I'm pretty sure Joe wins.
	Pull up Megan Fox without makeup.
	I think we got the idea.
	Show us the chat.
	Chat.
	Kim Karashi.
	Modern Megan Fox, current Megan Fox, 38-year-old Megan Fox, or Jolie?
	Nine?
	Jolie.
	Jolie or 38-year-old Megan Fox.
	You agree with Morgan?
	Yeah, but I'm not sure.
	Do you think more guys would hit Megan Fox?
	But imagine a guy saying that they can be like I hate Mega.
	Literally like on top of the war.
	By status, not by look.
	It has to be just looking at just looks.
	It has to be just looks.
	Yeah, if it's just looks.
	hey Jamie can you pull up no that's a Rojo reference Sorry.
	Not funny.
	That's good.
	Sorry.
	Anyways.
	Jodie, in your pre-show notes, you said that you have strong opinions on sexual promiscuity.
	Yes.
	What do you think?
	Go ahead.
	I believe that sexual promiscuity, once again, the same way being in the corn industry damages society.
	I think sexual promiscuity damages society and ruins the dating game and ruins it for everyone, people who don't even deserve it to be ruined for.
	I think people and women preach about women empowerment through sleeping around, but it's actually the opposite.
	It's what's the opposite of empower?
	Depower.
	Because there's scarcity in.
	There's value in not being sexually promiscuous, and there's so much value that comes from it that you'll be treated much better for it than when you are sexual promiscuous.
	And I think when women complain about having a hard time finding a man, it's because women are casually sleeping with them to the point where men have seen no point in putting effort into a date or paying for the date or romancing them.
	Like romance is just done.
	Chivalry is dead because women are giving it up easily.
	Like that's the power that women have over men.
	Just as it is, like that's what we have over men.
	I think that's where our power comes from is our keeping our sexuality for one person or less people.
	And you said you can argue why body count does matter.
	Yes.
	And you believe it's wrong for both men and women to casually sleep around.
	Let's go around the table though first.
	So do you think men who care about a woman's body count are insecure starting with you?
	No.
	Do you object to men having that preference?
	Like if a guy didn't want to date a girl because she was promiscuous, you object to that?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think it's a little insecure because, I mean, me personally, I don't judge if a guy has a high body count, so I would expect the same.
	A little insecure.
	Okay.
	And what about if a guy won't date you because of the work you do?
	Also insecure?
	That's fine.
	I'm not going to force you to date me.
	But does it make them insecure?
	No, that's his decision.
	But how's that different than a guy not wanting to date you because of your body count?
	Well, with body count, I was just saying, I don't judge your body count.
	So for me, it would be a little insecure because they're judging mine, I guess.
	Right.
	But likewise, that make them insecure.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they're worried.
	I mean, I've heard this from a few guys.
	Like, they're worried that their sexual skills don't compare to other men.
	So that's kind of what I'm thinking about when I say that.
	What if the guy is confident that he's good in the bedroom?
	He just doesn't want to date a girl who's had a bunch of bodies.
	That's fine.
	That's his decision.
	Okay.
	Is he still insecure, though?
	I mean, I guess not.
	But you're saying it would be insecure if he was like worried about how he measures up to other guys she slept with.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	But if, but I'm sure you can agree that there might be other reasons why a guy might not want to date a girl with a high body count.
	Yeah.
	So what if the reasons are those and have nothing to do with him not feeling like he would measure up?
	I mean, I guess like if you change factors, I mean, if a man is secure in saying, I want a woman who's a virgin or I want a woman with a body count under five, that means that he's secure in what he wants.
	But if a man rejects me for a high body count because he is worried about, like, I don't know, how he compares to other men sexually, that would be a rooted insecurity.
	And most of the men that I've talked to that do judge body count, it was because of that.
	That's what they told me.
	But again, that was just what I was going to say.
	I do have a question on that.
	So I guess we'll perhaps get this a bit.
	Okay, we'll go there.
	So as a woman, I'm just genuinely curious.
	If you found out, and I'll know the degree of your, I don't know, if you found out that a guy had been with a girl previously who was like multi-orgasmic, came super easily, he had to do nothing basically.
	Whereas for you, I don't know what the case is for you, but let's say that you struggle to climax during sex.
	Maybe you can't even climax during sex, but his last girl could come 10 times just from intercourse.
	Would that make you?
	It's true.
	That shit happens.
	Would that make you feel insecure?
	No, no.
	It wouldn't make that you're...
	Nothing?
	Not...
	Not me personally, no.
	Because, I mean, with everybody, everybody has something, especially for women, I feel like it's harder to climax than a man during sex.
	So it's like, I feel like, you know, when you're in a relationship, your partner would cater to your needs for you to climax.
	But I don't get insecure if a girl can climax easier, just from my perspective of being a woman.
	The sex that he had with his previous girl was undeniably better because of the ease with which she could climax.
	It doesn't make me feel insecure, no.
	Not insecure.
	Even if the sex with her was better than the sex it was with you?
	Yeah, I don't feel insecure.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So going to you, object to men caring about body count?
	I think that genuinely it's not being insecure just because like, let's say I wouldn't want to mess with a guy that has more than a body count than 10, just simply because in the world that we live in, everybody just messes with everybody.
	Like literally, I'm not even going to talk about that, but like.
	Talk about it.
	No, I can't.
	Talk about that shit.
	Do it.
	Like, it's just a lot because, like, you can have, you know, you could be talking to somebody and then, like, you know, they ended up, you know, you never knew that, but they mess with your friend too.
	And it's like, oh, shit.
	You know, like, what do you do then?
	Does that happen to you a lot?
	Yes, because I live in a small, like, I literally live in LA, like, down in the area.
	Like, everybody knows everybody.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy, son.
	What about you?
	I don't think it's about being insecure.
	I don't really care what preferences a guy has about that.
	Okay.
	Well, Jolie, we've already heard your take on that.
	Now, you said that you said your general stance on modern dating is that it's gone completely downhill.
	I believe both men and women have just lost their senses and standards.
	You have a few hot takes.
	You support a dominant man-submissive woman relationship, traditional values.
	You believe sex work harms society, porn harms society, gender is not a social construct.
	There are some issues with the wokeness community.
	But all that aside, excuse me, you said you wanted to debate the extreme red pill ideology.
	I don't know if you categorize this podcast as that, but I wrote that a long time ago.
	So, um, like I wouldn't say necessarily debate it, but like I want to.
	It's more like I can.
	I've seen extreme parts where, like, I remember you had, forgot her name, but she was saying, Don't you think it's a limited mindset that you cannot commit to one girl?
	And that's an extreme.
	That's something that I find an extreme is when a man says that they or encourages, like, if you want to do that individually, sure.
	But if you're encouraging that it's okay for men to sleep around while women aren't, I think that's harmful because I think it breaks women what?
	Not woman, women.
	Women.
	Oh, sorry.
	Thank you.
	Hold on.
	You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dying.
	Okay.
	RIP, Christopher Hitchens.
	Okay.
	What makes that red pill ideology?
	I don't know.
	I mean, that's just what people categorize it as.
	Who?
	Just people on social media.
	Can you name one?
	No, but that doesn't mean I haven't seen it.
	I just, I'm not going to.
	Well, you're talking about when Lila Rose was on with Justin Walter.
	Yes, Lila Rose.
	Yeah.
	And so, I mean, I actually, I mean, I think there's actually an evolutionary argument that can be made for why this exists.
	Now, I'm not saying it's right.
	I actually believe that it's better.
	I think monogamy is better.
	I don't think men or women should be promiscuous.
	But I actually do think that there can be an argument to be made for men desiring that sort of arrangement.
	I understand it.
	I just don't agree with when people with big platforms like that, I don't know his name, that was with Lila Rose.
	Justin.
	Justin, yes.
	I just don't agree with that being advertised because men will see it who aren't on his level of, you know, richness and will think that applies to him.
	Wait, so you're saying a guy has to be rich to be able to pull that off?
	It's definitely more ethical than if you're broke because you're at least providing some type of value.
	But even then, I don't know what you're saying.
	Hold on, wait, wait, hold on.
	If you have sex with a guy, the guy has sex with you, it's an equal value exchange.
	What?
	Repeat that?
	Sex is an equal value exchange.
	A lot of women don't view it that way, but sex, if I get sex, you get sex too.
	So I can actually make an argument.
	Y'all are the ones that can come like multiple times.
	That's not what I believe.
	Sex is better for y'all.
	That's not the part that I'm arguing isn't valuable.
	What I'm arguing is women do get jealous and they do like loyalty on the other end.
	And if they're sorry.
	I think I am saying women.
	I just don't think I'm pronouncing it.
	I do say women.
	Well, I could totally be wrong.
	I don't know.
	I'll rewatch it.
	You could totally be right.
	Sorry.
	But I just believe that either way it is harmful because what I care about the most is family structure.
	That's the emphasis.
	So anytime I disagree with the corn industry, sexual promiscuity, it's because it destroys the family structure.
	Justin, is that his name?
	He, I don't know him personally, but I know from how he speaks, he probably has multiple families that don't have him always present.
	And I actually think that's a root to the issues that like sexual promiscuity and people going to the corn industry, it's from a lack of a father in the home.
	People like to say, oh, fatherless activities.
	And it's, well, I agree, but I also agree that we shouldn't have fathers handling multiple families, even if they say they can.
	I do not think that's helpful.
	I have a dad.
	I understand that, but I have a dad too, but it doesn't mean it's always.
	I want to hear your evolution argument.
	I want to hear your evolution argument against this.
	Okay, so if a woman has 10 husbands and they're all sleeping with her, who's the father?
	You don't know.
	Whereas if a man has 10 wives, you know who the father is in each instance, and you know who the mother is in each instance.
	So on that basis, and this is one of the reasons not just for kind of why that sort of arrangement might be more appealing to men and unappealing in the reverse, it's also a strong argument when it comes to men's stronger, shoot, what's it called, men's stronger disgust response to promiscuity in women.
	And So, okay, I know the body count thing is separate, but men's stronger disgust response when it comes to female promiscuity, one of those reasons is due to paternity uncertainty.
	So if a woman's promiscuous and she is sleeping with 10 men, this is before the age of DNA tests, right?
	Yeah.
	You can't determine who the father is.
	So it's a major, one of the biggest L's a man can take in his life is to be raising like a child who he thinks is his, who he's been tricked into believing is his, but actually isn't.
	So I think that's why that arrangement is I'm not advocating for that sort of arrangement, but I can understand why it's perhaps more acceptable.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I never disagreed on why it's more acceptable.
	I definitely agree that if it's going to happen, if it's going to be done that way, it should be like that.
	I just disagree with having it on a platform and encouraging it or making it normal, normalizing it.
	I think Andrew Tate and Sneeko, I love Andrew Tate.
	The only part is like I don't really agree with is when he'll say stuff like, oh, and what's his religion?
	Is Muslim?
	They're like, they're like.
	They're like, oh, in our religion, we can have four wives, but there's a context to that.
	You can have four wives because, I mean, it says that they can have four wives because I believe it's because there was a scarcity of men that could take care of their wives.
	So multiple women would be dependent.
	Because women were dependent on men, they needed to kind of share the husband.
	So what's changed?
	In this society, I don't think there's a scarcity.
	Like right now, women are entirely dependent As they are in that context or culture.
	So, while I agree with you in principle that polygamy is bad, polygamy and polygamy is bad.
	Yeah.
	There's a big, huge gaping hole in your argument.
	Okay.
	Which is you're referencing hypergamy.
	This is the idea that women will go towards a man who has a ton of resources.
	And so you point this out.
	You say there's a scarcity of men who have the resources that can take care of X amount of women.
	But wouldn't it follow then that women would be attracted to men who have the capability of doing that for them?
	Yes, there are women.
	So then in modernity, that would still include a small, select few amount of men who could do that.
	Yeah.
	So then I don't see what the disagreement would actually be.
	I just, I disagree with the way it's portrayed on social media.
	Like if you like, I could, you could, I could, you could totally flame me for this, but the way I perceive or the way it comes across is that these people, a lot of these influencers, like on Fresh and Fit, Myron, Agitate, Sneeko, Justin, they're like, oh, I'm traditional.
	We love traditional women.
	But they aren't traditional, and they are in some ways, but they have this platform, and other people are going to see what they're doing, and it's not going to contribute to society.
	They're going to have multiple families, multiple.
	And although there's women that are attracted to it, I could also argue not every woman is in love.
	Maybe, like, I understand attracted and can grow to love a man, but it's, I guess it's to each dung what you value.
	Like, if, like, personally, if I was a man, I'd have some sort of insecurity if, like, a woman needs to be with me.
	And I, like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, I need to sleep around.
	No, really.
	I can only sleep around if, like.
	So, let's, well, let's back up.
	Do you think that hypergamy is real?
	Yes.
	Then I don't understand your argument.
	Okay, I just think it's, you know, technically it's ethical to, you know, be hypergamous and then have the man sleep around.
	It's value in that.
	There's value that they're providing to each other and it's fair, but to society and to kids, it's ruining the family structure, and that's what I mainly.
	Then how is it ethical?
	It's ethical in the context that for like between the two people in the relationship, okay, it works for them, but the kids are being affected and the family is being affected.
	Well, what is our ethical standard we're using here for this?
	Harm?
	Are you just using like a basic harm ethical standard?
	Psychological harms are multiple factors that could lower the value of a good family.
	Like I said to her, I don't, like even if kids will turn out fine, I don't, it comes off as mediocre.
	It's not the intention of having the best for that kid.
	And you're not looking for what's best for them if you're okay with the father going back and forth between families.
	And also, for overall society, men aren't being encouraged to live a fulfilling life and have deeper connections where they're just committed to one woman if they're sleeping around.
	Okay, so those guys aren't here.
	Tate's not here.
	Waller's not here.
	It's not a position I hold.
	Don't really feel inclined to devil's advocate their position.
	So moving on.
	You said you disagreed with the host.
	You disagreed with the host was when they were kind of mocking or calling this girl a dictator in her marriage for finding her husband through rotational dating.
	You do believe rotational dating is good for women.
	So rotational dating means what exactly?
	So I've seen people on TikTok completely not use that term correctly and make it like they ended up just like hoeing around.
	But in this specific episode, you had someone who rotationally dated, which meant that she would date, she wouldn't kiss, wouldn't touch, wouldn't even hold their hand.
	And she would just get to know them through conversation, look at their values, and then whoever was the best for her in her eyes in her rotation, she would marry or the person that like proposed.
	I don't know what her standards were, but it's very similar to how women used to kind of date, like know nothing intimate physically, just see what's out there.
	So you're saying a woman should, for example, be dating five men at the same time and pick the best one?
	Talking to them, if that's what we consider, because some people don't consider that dating, like talking to them, just talking, yes.
	If you cross the line and you turn into something physical, that's where it's wrong.
	If you're being physical with five people at the same time, that's wrong.
	But if you're talking to them, just talking to them, that's so what about just going on dates, but nothing physical happens?
	That's good.
	That's good.
	So for example, I really like this girl, and I take her on a date, and then she goes on a date with another guy immediately after my date with her.
	Totally cool.
	No problems?
	Yeah, if she's open about it.
	She's open?
	She tells me this?
	Yeah, I mean, most likely the guy, most likely people who are going on dates aren't loyal.
	I mean, they're on that date for a reason because they're single and they want to get to know people.
	So they're getting to know people multiple times.
	They're not being loyal to anyone or committed to anyone.
	And most likely people aren't going to do two dates on the same day.
	But if they want to, then sure, I mean.
	No problem.
	Yeah.
	Well, I suppose a woman could do that.
	Yeah.
	She could do that.
	From the guy's perspective, though, which you seem to often ignore.
	No, I'm willing to.
	I trust me.
	Right.
	So at least in my book.
	So even if I'm on a first date with a girl and she tells me, by the way, I have a date with a guy after I hang out with you, I've instantly lost all interest.
	I don't care how attractive she is.
	I don't care how cool she is.
	She's just been, she's precluded from me ever taking her seriously.
	If she states it in that way, like I'm going on a date after you, like, it doesn't, no, no, no.
	She could say it in the most congenial, polite way possible.
	I would still just disregard her.
	What if she told you, I'm going, like, if you, because on the first date, you're getting to know each other and you're trying to see each other's values.
	You get to know her values and you ask her, are you traditional?
	And how do you date?
	And it comes up that, well, I am traditional.
	I'm a virgin.
	I don't sleep around.
	I don't touch.
	I don't kiss.
	I don't do any of that.
	She's never kissed someone.
	And she's like, and I'm dating around and I'm a virgin.
	I'm just waiting till marriage.
	And I'm molts.
	Shouldn't ask me that.
	Go ahead.
	And she goes on a, she lets you know that she's going on a second date because she's looking, because of how picky she is on who she's going to lose her virginity to.
	Okay, but so we have 52 weeks in a year.
	So let's just say, like, why do you need to go on five dates in a week?
	Like, even if I grant you as a woman, like, do you think going on one date a week is like, that's too little?
	That would be 52 first dates in a year.
	Are you that pressed when it comes to your dating life that you got to be dating like five dudes at the same time?
	Like, 52 first dates in a year is a fuck ton of people.
	I wouldn't argue for like date, and I would, like, I'm not arguing, like, date, like, talk to people, have five dates in a week.
	What I'm rotational dating is, isn't it?
	No, rotational dating, like the woman that you brought on, is when you're talking to people, you don't have to have five dates with them in the same week.
	It means you're talking to them.
	So, like, you.
	Yeah, I wouldn't be interested in that girl.
	I mean, that's you.
	I mean, look, maybe my standards are a little crazy.
	That's kind of the point of rotational dating is to eliminate who is who works for me and who doesn't.
	And as you guys understand, the value, the dating pool value is the most women have the most when they're young, which is why they don't have time to waste.
	Their time is precious and they need to hurry up.
	If they're looking to marry and they want to lose their virginity to someone special, they might not have time to save you time and it might work for you.
	I'm just saying that at least my standard would be: if we go on a first date, and if you're like going on a date later that night, I would feel kind of weird about it, but I'll say this.
	If I go on a first date with the girl and if she wants a second date with me, and there's other dudes in the picture, I'm not interested.
	I mean, I'm arguing that there's nothing wrong with rotational dating, and most likely someone that's doing rotational dating.
	You can, look, as a girl, you can do it.
	I'm just saying, I think you have the potential there to lose a guy who you would otherwise like.
	And secondly, I'm actually advising men if you, I mean, look, if you're interested in something serious as a guy, if you go on the first date with the girl, she wants a second date, and she's still dating other dudes, I think it's a wrap.
	I think it has to be a wrap.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you can't.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, yeah, I do.
	I mean, she's right, right?
	So I'm trying to think of it from her perspective, from a woman's perspective here, and even from a man's perspective.
	If the idea is that chastity and virginity is virtuous and it's important, and you have knowledge that this woman is willing to marry you while she's young, knowing that that is a thing of value, and if she dates, she's not having physical intimacy with any men.
	I don't actually see why that would be problematic.
	What do you mean?
	Well, how would it actually be problematic if she's, let's say, a woman's dating five different guys, but is physically intimate with none of them and is a chaste virgin?
	Isn't that like if you if you had a daughter, if you were gonna advise her in dating and you wanted her to get the best spouse possible, wouldn't you advise her to have a physical relationship with none, but to date many?
	Well, I mean, I would say that while, I mean, in terms of her sexual attention, you're saying she's not having sex with anybody.
	Yeah.
	That's off the table.
	Her romantic interest is divided.
	So in the same way that you could cheat on a partner.
	You're an option.
	You could cheat on a partner without having sex with somebody else.
	For me, and look, people have different timelines as to what's acceptable, when, what's not acceptable.
	Yeah.
	And also, I would just think, like, even if she goes on this, if I go on a first date with a girl, first date, and she tells me, I have another date planned immediately after, some people might not have an issue with that.
	I just feel like that's just kind of generally disrespectful.
	She can do it.
	That's just how I would feel.
	I just don't think it would be different.
	Yeah, I mean, that's fair.
	I'm just, I'm trying to think of how you have a win condition.
	So, what's the win condition in dating?
	So, I think the win condition for most young men is: I want a woman with a really low body count, virgin, preferably.
	But if I'm going to get this valuable thing, which is a virgin gonna bear my children, they have X amount of years, like she points out.
	We have very few years that are fertile to give you lots of children.
	If they're starting at 22, 23, that's good, right?
	26, 27, not so great.
	So, if we're talking about a limited window between AT, 24, what do you got?
	Six years, it seems like if they were out dating multiple men but having a physical relationship with none of them, that that would broaden their options to the point where they could try to select for that best partner.
	It seems like it's a win condition for both.
	Well, so I guess let me ask you this: so you're saying this woman's a virgin, she's waiting until marriage.
	Um, now in this scenario, let's say she goes on just one date a week, so that this scenario of and like if she likes the guy, she'll continue seeing him and she won't date other men, right?
	She won't go on dates with other men, but you're saying, Well, if she has the opportunity to kind of be considering multiple suitors, not sex, just multiple suitors, say five suitors at the same time-ish.
	So, within a week or two period, she's gone on five dates with these different men, and she's she's still kind of considering all of them.
	So, she's going to continue going on second dates.
	I mean, I would think that a woman who's a virgin, who's not immediately jumping into bed, who's desirous of marriage, if there's 52 weeks and she starts dating at 18, there's 52 weeks in a year.
	What would actually be wrong with her with just going on one date per week?
	That would be 52 first dates in a year.
	That's a lot of first dates.
	And so, if we expand that out, I mean, we can say that, right?
	But let's say it's every three days.
	She's got the gold bar.
	If she's got the gold bar, everybody wants the gold bar.
	She's got it.
	And so, if she does, and it's that valuable, and everybody else is wasting their gold bar, so all women are all given this gold bar that all the men desire, and they just like give it to them for free.
	So, one of them looks at it and says, Wait a second, this is really fucking valuable.
	I can get whatever I want with this.
	Why the fuck would you discourage them, right?
	At that point, it seems like they did everything right.
	The very same women that we're complaining about are the women that will give you the time for free just for you.
	They will stop talking to other guys and then just date you easily.
	Those are those, the women that men say I ran through a lot of the times are women that have been in multiple relationships because they have been gone on the first date, liked the guy, decided to jump into a committed relationship, then broke up, it didn't work out because that was the only option they saw.
	Then they jumped into another relationship and then continue to sleep with them.
	Yeah, I'm not sure about that, but I am sure that if you're dating multiple suitors and you're not sleeping with them, I don't see how the opposite sex could have an issue with that.
	If they say, Well, I just want pure exclusivity with you on the first date, I think that's good on the first date, not like on the first date, but like if you really genuinely, like me personally, like I went on a date last week and I really live with this person, but your gold bar is gone, right?
	Huh?
	Your gold bar was already given away for free, right?
	Yeah, so let's let's let us assume virginity is a golden bar that when you're born, but half this generation, no one's a virgin anymore.
	Okay, just because half of the people give away their gold bars.
	Let's say, okay, let's say 95%.
	Let's say 99.9% give away.
	In fact, that's the best example.
	Let's say 99% give away the gold bar.
	Doesn't that make the remaining 1% of gold bars even more valuable?
	Exactly, but a guy, you think that a guy that wants a girl that's a gold bar also has his gold bar?
	Mm-hmm.
	But it doesn't.
	No, no, no.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Back up.
	Who cares?
	But it doesn't.
	If the man who has his gold bar and doesn't have his gold bar, and by the way, for men, it's not a gold bar.
	For women, it's a gold bar.
	Okay, no.
	So it's a different standard.
	So it's just a little bit of a bad thing.
	No, wait, wait.
	Fair.
	Wait a second.
	Who the hell?
	Who the hell says?
	Who the hell says?
	Well, because you said that women, if you're a virgin, it's a gold bar.
	But if you're a guy, it's okay not to be aware of it.
	Here's what gives things value: what gives things value, what gives the money in your pocket value, what gives that camera value, what gives the screen value, is the fact that people desire it.
	As long as women desire men who don't have a gold bar, men aren't ever going to keep a gold bar because women don't fucking want a gold bar.
	The distinction is, is that men do.
	And so that's what makes it valuable.
	But men want a gold bar to satisfy their ego.
	So?
	Right.
	I would say there's like a.
	Hang on, hang on.
	So what?
	Do they want it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Then if they want it, it's valuable, right?
	Yeah.
	Then if it's valuable and you gave this really valuable thing away for free and the chick next to you isn't, she's like, nah, that was really dumb.
	Nope.
	You had a million dollar gold bar and you just gave it to this fucking asshole.
	Okay.
	Okay, what if, what if like the guy that wants the gold bar, he gets the gold bar, he has her, everything good to go, but then he's like, oh, she's not a gold bar anymore.
	Let me go find another one.
	That's why you wait till marriage.
	But what if you know?
	Because then it's really hard, right?
	But what if you wait till marriage and you do it the first night and you're like, oh damn, I don't like this bar.
	Do you think it's not this hard?
	That's a let's engage with the argument.
	Okay.
	Do you think that men who marry virgins on their wedding night are more likely or less likely to get divorced?
	More.
	Guess what?
	This is going to blow your mind.
	I'm wrong.
	Way less likely.
	Why would you say that is?
	Because I'm like, well, damn, like.
	I feel like there's more relationships.
	I waited this long.
	I waited this long.
	Might as well say that.
	No, it's because chastity is directly linked with religion.
	And so the more religious people are, the more they tend to stay chaste.
	And they think it keeps their marriage together.
	Those are the men who they value virtue.
	What if they're not religious?
	If they're not religious, they still value virtue.
	And even in those relationships.
	Scientifically tested?
	Yes, even in, well, you don't even have to scientifically test it.
	You can use statistics.
	True.
	So even in, I mean, that is science, but it's not hard science.
	Wait.
	But using statistics, even virgin women who get married to non-virgin men who are secularist still end up staying married longer.
	But do they kids say they can still stay married?
	But what about is a man cheating?
	That's what they're saying.
	Wait, hold on.
	That's the whole difference.
	Do you think that a man cheating would be a requisite, which would lead to divorce?
	Yes.
	Well, then they must cheat less, right?
	You don't know that.
	Yes, we do know that because we have the statistics on the reason given for divorce.
	But everybody gets divorced for different reasons.
	Yes, but they give a top four reasons.
	Okay.
	And infidelity is low on the list.
	It's usually just partner dissatisfaction.
	Interestingly enough, men who end up with virgins tend to have the least amount of partner dissatisfaction.
	What a shock.
	Like sexually, like in the, like, you know, when they're having sex.
	Yeah, I don't know where this idea comes from that, like, and you should know this because of the industry you're in, but all the parts basically work the same way with everybody.
	They don't really work very, very differently between different people.
	Every man's penis is essentially designed for every woman's vagina and vice versa.
	The idea of sexual compatibility is not really a thing.
	Most people, most people historically, right, they got married without ever having sex.
	And they stayed married their whole lives.
	And most of them had good sex lives because we're designed to have sex with each other.
	We're designed that way.
	You can sense the tension too without doing it, like the chemistry.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm really super attracted to you until I got you naked and had sex with you.
	Said no guy ever in history.
	Oh, yeah.
	Literally, that could be a possible.
	I could be super attracted to a guy.
	I think he's super like, you know, cute, but he's just like not like, I just don't vibe with him.
	I couldn't like, you know, sexually.
	What are you comparing it to, though, if he's your only partner?
	Right.
	So that's why they would stay.
	They're not married longer because they have nothing to do with it.
	Good.
	This is bad.
	Why?
	It's not bad.
	Well, I mean, it's like if there's better out there, like sexually.
	Oh, so they should all be a bunch of skanks because they couldn't find Mr. Wright penis.
	No, no, not at all.
	What I was arguing is that I feel like the, or at least from my perspective, the reason why a man would want a virgin is because the virgin doesn't have anything to compare it to, so there's no competition.
	It's not just that.
	It's just like they only had one boyfriend.
	So what he should do.
	So then let's use the reverse of this.
	Okay.
	So would you advise a man then to go to his virgin soon-to-be wife and say, you know, honey, you should go out and fuck at least 10 guys before we get married so you know that I'm the right one.
	No, but I wouldn't.
	Then what would you advise them to do?
	I'm not going to give up marriage lasting longer.
	And I feel like it's just not relevant to the factors of a marriage lasting longer just because she's only had one sexual partner.
	Why would that not be relevant?
	I don't think it's relevant because there's like, I feel like I've heard from women that were married or were in a committed relationship with one guy that like they weren't sexually satisfied, but they stayed with them anyway.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like darn.
	I feel like they were with the person that they loved and they weren't sexually satisfied, so they got rid of their heated.
	So wait, so they set aside their hedonism in order to obtain higher value.
	Those sons of bitches.
	You realize that hedonism and self-pleasure is not the purpose of life.
	And if you get married to somebody, make a commitment to them.
	Why would it be a problem for you to keep a commitment?
	Because you feel like you're unsatisfied in a single area of life.
	Right.
	And that's the complicated part.
	That's why, for me, at least me personally, like I would never marry someone that I didn't know I had sexual chemistry with.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's why I do think you can have sex before marriage because if you, I feel like sexual chemistry is very important in the relationship.
	I don't feel like sexual chemistry is hard between people.
	I don't know.
	You pretty girl, you handsome guy.
	They have said mostly.
	I don't agree because you don't agree.
	Right.
	You can feel that.
	i've liked sex better with this person but maybe not with this guy you know but it's like yeah but but this is because you're making a comparison between many guys Assume for a second that you had what you consider right this second to be mediocre sex, but you were a virgin, right?
	And to you, it was the best feeling thing on planet.
	Absent the company.
	Lord 69U who donated $69.
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	What does that mean?
	Thank you, Warlord.
	He's just saying that once you put nudes of yourself out, it's forever.
	Right.
	Or you have sex with guys on camera, it's forever, which is true.
	Of course.
	But anyway, so back to this.
	Assuming for a second, you're a virgin, you married a man, you had what you would right now consider to be mediocre sex with that man, but it was still the best feeling thing you'd ever had because there was nothing else to compare it to.
	How the world could you, in the world, could you make a reference that, oh, it could be better over here?
	No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	What I was saying is that I feel like, from what I've heard from a lot of women that are divorced, they didn't have the level of sexual chemistry that they wanted.
	And had all of those women been fucked by other dudes before their husband?
	I don't know.
	What would you think?
	I mean, I like the perspective of a virgin person right now that only had one partner because I don't have that perspective, so I don't know.
	Well, what virgins report is that they're highly satisfied in their sexual relationships.
	That's what they report when they're asked.
	Good for them.
	Okay, let's say it's a virgin and you know a guy, whatever, they get married and everything, and they're just together for 10 years.
	What happens if in those 10 years are just like, oh, I just don't want to be with you anymore?
	What happens if you're not a virgin and that happens?
	That's why, either or.
	Because you're saying that people who aren't virgins last longer in their marriages.
	So what happens if that's not the case?
	What happens with anybody if it's not the case?
	No, but I'm directing it specifically to your comment on saying that.
	Yeah, but I'm explaining to you why it's a nonsensical circular question.
	So what if I retain my virginity and then have the same outcome as if I didn't retain my virginity?
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's not different.
	Yeah, no, it's different.
	So again, let us assume that we have nine virgins, one non-virgin.
	Okay.
	The outcome for the non-virgin X bad.
	Okay.
	Now let's say it's worse than these, you know, the non-virgin, the outcome is worse than the nine.
	Okay.
	Now we take two of those virgins who also get married and they have the same outcome as that non-virgin.
	Which group is still more likely to have better outcomes?
	The virgins?
	The virgins.
	So even if it were true that some virgins have bad outcomes, similar to those who are not virgins at marriage, most virgins still have better outcomes than them, right?
	Okay, that's if, you know, men, like the man that's marrying that woman, cares about their virginity, you know, their specific virginity.
	Because like not every man views us as being the gold bar.
	Yeah, so you remember how you said every there?
	Yeah, right.
	And I agree with you.
	Not every man does.
	Right.
	But let me counter with this.
	Do you think that most men, if they could take you, they could take you, these are your romantic partners, but they could take away every man you've ever fucked before them, would they?
	Yeah.
	Okay, then.
	Anything else you guys wanted to add to that?
	Gotcha, bitch.
	Nick, Nick, why you gotta, come on, bro.
	Why you got to do it?
	What about you?
	Do you think any romantic partner that you have who's a man?
	That's a good question.
	If they could unfuck you, would they do it?
	Like, you're saying, oh, like, so it, well, but doesn't that make sense?
	Would they do it?
	But doesn't that make sense to you?
	Would they do it?
	I guess.
	But like, doesn't the question now seem like a moment?
	Okay, but then that's an insecure man.
	That's insecure.
	Why is it insecure?
	Because you don't want her to have any comparison except you.
	What if that's not the reason?
	That doesn't make sense.
	What's the reason?
	What was that less chances?
	Have you ever had a traumatic sexual relationship?
	Like you dated a guy.
	Hang on, he's traumatic.
	I'm going to use your logic back.
	Okay.
	A man doesn't want a woman because she has 10 kids.
	He's insecure.
	Right?
	But that brings kids to it.
	He's insecure or not insecure.
	No, because there's 10 children that he would have to be a father to.
	Wait a second, wait a minute.
	That's not the same as that.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	He's not insecure if she has 10 kids, right?
	I just want to make sure we got that answer.
	No.
	Not insecure.
	Or he's insecure if he won't date her because she has 10 kids.
	I definitely think that he has a spot to be insecure simply because he still would have to deal with her the past day.
	Why would that be insecurity, though?
	But your question is: would a man be insecure if a lady has 10 kids?
	No.
	My question is: if a man didn't want a lady with 10 kids, does that make him insecure?
	No, it just makes him, he just has self-respect and he doesn't feel comfortable being with a woman who has multiple kids with different guys.
	So he has a preference.
	Self-respect.
	Right.
	And part of self-respect.
	His preference.
	Yeah, that's his preference is to not be with the women.
	No, if your preference is to be with a virgin and not with a woman who has a high body count, that's not insecurity.
	That's perfectly good.
	It's not insecurity, right?
	It's not.
	The woman that's sleeping around are risking having kids.
	It's kind of almost the same thing.
	The only difference is the actual part of having the kids.
	Like the woman with 10 kids with different men, it's kind of the same thing with the woman that sleeps around because she's still risking pregnancy with all of those men the same way a woman was willing to get pregnant by all those men and have those kids.
	I think it comes down to that.
	It's just unattractive that a woman would disrespect herself because respect is attractive.
	To be willing to risk pregnancy, STIs, and all, and just be willing to be that intimate with someone when they just met them or without certain requirements.
	It doesn't, it's just, it's basic psychology when someone.
	Well, not only that, but think about it.
	Let's insert yourself in a man's shoes for a second.
	On your wedding night, you say, this really valuable thing, I saved it for you.
	How good of a feeling would that be for a man?
	I know, but we're already married.
	But what about a girl?
	Okay, we're not.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Engage with what I'm asking first and then change the conditionals.
	That's fair, right?
	From a man's perspective, let's say you're a man tomorrow.
	You wake up and you're a man, okay?
	Right.
	And a woman on your wedding night says, I saved my virginity for you because that's how much I love you, right?
	I'm sorry, would you not be extremely pleased and happy with that outcome?
	I mean, she's marrying me.
	She chose to say yes to the marriage.
	That would already be enough for me as a man.
	Yeah, but okay.
	But she kept her virginity and told you those words.
	I kept myself chased to give this to you.
	Right, because she felt like I was the right person to give it to.
	How would that not make you feel like a million bucks as a man?
	I don't know.
	I just, I don't know.
	I don't think that's a good thing.
	I don't know.
	Isn't an argument.
	No, no, no, but I'm saying in my mind, I don't view virginity as valuable.
	I mean, I'm not asking you, I'm not asking you to view it from your perspective.
	I'm asking you this.
	Assume for a second that I crammed a man's brain into your head, okay?
	And then your physiology changed tomorrow, and now you're in a man's body.
	And now suddenly your value structure and the way you think of things change.
	And in your head, you crave women who have a low body count.
	You marry a woman who's a virgin, and on her wedding night, she says these words to you: I saved my virginity for you.
	Nobody else ever got this but you because that's how much I love you.
	How could a woman ever give you, the man, a better gift than that?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I just, I think the marriage.
	What else could she give that could ever be more valuable than that?
	What else?
	Yes to marriage.
	A kid.
	A child saying yes to marriage.
	I feel like that means more than a virginity.
	No, I feel like if I.
	But hang on, hang on.
	Anybody who's a man can give you a kid who's fertile, which is most men, right?
	You can only give your virginity to one man.
	So if that is the case, you saying, well, I chose to marry you, right?
	And I'm fertile, so I can accept your seed, you can do that with any man.
	Correct.
	But you can only give your virginity to one.
	And if you say, I gave this to you, this one man, he's the only one who's ever going to have that.
	No other man ever will.
	How could you give him something more valuable than that?
	There's nothing else you could ever exchange to him that couldn't be replaced with something else.
	You couldn't give him a car that he couldn't replace.
	You couldn't give him a gold bar he couldn't replace.
	You couldn't give him anything that could not be replaced except that.
	That's the only thing you could ever give a man that he can't replace.
	But how long is that high going to last?
	Like, oh, I took her virginity.
	Like, I feel great.
	How long are you going to be?
	You took the virginity of your wife?
	Hopefully for life.
	I don't know.
	She gave me the most valuable thing she had ever that she'll ever have.
	But again, like, I mean, I don't know.
	I just, I just, I don't see like what's valuable about virginity.
	It's not like I'm not understanding.
	Again, what determines value?
	It's what people want.
	But it's like that's the society view.
	Yeah, it's what people want, right?
	No, I believe, yeah, but society wants to.
	Well, you know what?
	Let me ask you.
	I don't know what gives money value.
	I don't even know.
	It's nebulous.
	Warlord 69U who donated $69.
	Brian, please do not allow these women to speak while Andrew is asking a question directly to one.
	Women poison women.
	Terry's already proof with the drage.
	Quit today.
	I don't know.
	No spoiler for today's hulk episode.
	They've been totally reasonable this entire episode.
	I actually don't know what that is.
	Warlord, thank you for the TTS man.
	I do want to, maybe we can come back to that a little later.
	I do want to move it on a little bit.
	Going around the table, I got to get through some of my commonly asked questions here at the end.
	Would you rather be alone?
	Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear?
	Starting with you.
	A random man.
	Really?
	I thought you were going to say bear.
	That surprised me.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	A random man because then he could build us a shelter and then he would go get food for me.
	And then, like, if there was a bear, he would just kill it.
	Okay.
	Reasonable response.
	I think a bear because they're so cute.
	No, they eat you.
	No, seriously.
	And because, like, let's say, like, there is a man, the bear can just kill the man if the man don't like the man.
	Yeah?
	Like a caveman.
	Like a caveman?
	It's because the bears are cute.
	I just don't see a reason being stuck in a mood with a random man.
	They'll kill me.
	What about you?
	Oh, maybe.
	We're just going to, Morgan's answered it like a bunch.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	I think I liked your answer about the man.
	Okay, what about you?
	A man, because most likely the average man is not going to like...
	You do realize these aren't koala bears.
	They're not cute panda bears.
	Is it a sloth bear?
	It could be a fucking grizzly bear.
	But grizzly bears are cute.
	Oh, they're cute.
	Why could a random kill you?
	Why friend?
	Or why friend-shaped if not friend?
	Let me ask you this question.
	Okay.
	I'm going to agree with you that most grizzly bears are cuter than most men.
	Would you say that?
	Yeah.
	But if you went over and patted a random man on the head or a random grizzly bear on the head, which one do you think would be more likely to fucking kill you?
	Well, obviously a bear.
	Oh, well, obviously a bear.
	So now, which one would you rather be trapped with in the forest again?
	A bear.
	Oh, okay.
	Checks out.
	Makes sense.
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	Totally rational.
	I can see that.
	YOLO.
	Well, okay.
	Next question, going around the table, who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Men.
	Wait, what?
	Of war?
	Yeah.
	Do you mean like that are drafted up to the military?
	Men?
	No, that's not the question.
	That's war.
	War in general.
	The victim of war.
	Yeah, victim.
	Men.
	Okay.
	Women.
	Just being a contrarian.
	Yeah, that's what that was what I was detecting there.
	And men.
	Um, men.
	Okay, why are women the primary victim of war?
	Because I made that shit up.
	Because you guys sexualize.
	You guys sexualize a lot.
	Men sexualize women a lot.
	What does that have to do with?
	That's war, no?
	War is a woman.
	I don't know what kind of war.
	I don't know what kind of war.
	It's not the war for Helen of Troy.
	Like World War II.
	What?
	Oh, like the war, like fighting.
	What war?
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	What war do you think we're talking about here?
	No, no, war you're referring to.
	We're not talking about World War sex.
	Like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	Okay, can you specifically be specific with the question?
	War and what?
	How is it not specific?
	You said what?
	What was the question?
	Well, okay, let's start.
	Let's back up.
	What is a war?
	A war?
	There's so many, like, there could be a war between whatever was going on.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's a war.
	What is a war?
	Like, shooting, killing opposite countries.
	And who usually fights those?
	Men.
	Well, guys, yes.
	I thought we were talking about like...
	So who's the primary victim of war?
	Guys.
	Oh, okay.
	So then why did you say women?
	Because I thought you were meaning it in like, like, you know, boy to girl way.
	Not like fighting, like, wars.
	Has there been a great man versus woman war that I'm not aware of?
	I think she probably heard like in general, like in life.
	Because you know how we're talking about dating and whatnot?
	I didn't think we were talking about like, you know, war.
	Like gun shooting.
	Yeah, but I mean, war would have a relationship to dating when you consider that there's wars going on all over the world.
	And women do have to make choices when it comes to whether or not they're going to date soldiers, whether or not they're going to date men during wartime because there's going to be drafts.
	Well, a lot of women choose to not date men that, you know, are Marines simply because it's just difficult.
	Sure, sure.
	I totally agree with that.
	But that's why the question is asked: who's the primary victim?
	Men or women?
	So based on that answer, determine who.
	Bear underscore in underscore the underscore woods donated $69.
	Get these delusional.
	Entitled Baby Gravy Storage Units Out of My Damn Forest.
	We don't even want to eat them.
	Hashtag stop hawk.
	Damn, okay.
	Thank you, Bear in the Woods.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Thank you.
	Pooh Bear.
	Appreciate it.
	Is that a rage quit?
	Is that a rage quit?
	No.
	I don't think so.
	Is it a rage quit?
	I think so.
	Chat, I think there's a rage quit.
	I think she was just giving her water.
	Just whisper about it.
	I believe her is.
	Is it?
	Is it a rage?
	Is that a rage quit?
	Are you rage quitting or?
	Hello?
	Are you rage quitting or?
	No, I just was told I could leave that sentence out.
	Oh, yeah.
	Sorry, I was like an Irish video, for like a good conversation.
	Do you want to answer a few more questions?
	Um, no.
	You should, wait, stay for another, how about like 15?
	Does that sound good?
	Can you pick?
	Can I get fit before you?
	What?
	Can you pay me before I go?
	Nah, we're in the middle of the show.
	Um.
	You can figure that out, I guess.
	Okay, yeah.
	No, I'm going to head out, but...
	Okay.
	So, yeah.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	You can leave.
	How was it mate?
	It was nice meeting you.
	Yep.
	Fucking what a mess today.
	Can we get people back at the table?
	Here, can you guys scoot down this way?
	Morgan, you'll take that seat.
	I was like, scoot up.
	No, just like take her seat.
	Take her seat.
	Oh, I have to move like.
	I don't want to talk about my dating life.
	I don't want to talk about my fucking date.
	Oh, I don't feel like talking.
	Fucking waste of a seat, bro.
	Fucking nothing the whole show.
	Alright.
	Sorry, I'm on my period.
	Okay, um, I'll, um, what the fuck is going on back there?
	I don't know.
	Sorry, hold on.
	Take another drink, Andrew.
	I am.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	Well, here, we're going to do, sorry, guys, just.
	It's always annoying, man.
	We're going to do.
	Bro, I'm sorry.
	They're fucking talking back there.
	She can.
	If she wants to stay in the studio, she can rejoin the panel.
	Otherwise, she needs to kindly exit the studio.
	Can we have that?
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Sorry, guys.
	It's just frustrating.
	People, no show, people cancel.
	Your friend fucking canceled.
	We wouldn't have had to.
	Family emergency.
	It's always convenient, though, that somehow the family emergencies always tend to manifest mere hours before our show.
	It's weird.
	I like harassed you guys.
	Like I really wanted to get on.
	So I don't get it.
	People are just incredibly flaky, so it is what it is.
	But okay, so I'm going to go back to my notes.
	Selena, you said you wanted to talk about you had a bad date anecdote.
	Oh, like my bad dating story?
	Yeah, something about you got dropped off on the side of the highway.
	Yeah, so like, I don't know, it might have been like a year and a half, two years ago now, but I went on a date and everything was fine.
	You know, like he picked me up because this was before I had a license.
	So he picked me up.
	We go, we eat, whatever.
	On the way back, he just randomly brought up like, oh, I really want to have a threesome with my ex for whatever reason.
	And then I was like, no, that's weird.
	And then he's like, okay, get the fuck out of my car type thing.
	So then from there, I just had to Uber home.
	Like.
	How long ago was this?
	This was about a year and a half ago, probably.
	So, you weren't doing your profession at this time, or you were?
	I had an OnlyFans, but this was before I started camming, so I didn't really have an audience on OnlyFans.
	Yeah, but you were doing OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	Do you think that that set an expectation?
	Sure, for in his mind, sure.
	Yeah.
	Did he bring that up as a justification?
	To why he thought it would be okay?
	Yeah.
	No, he didn't.
	He didn't say, oh, because you have an OnlyFans, I thought you'd be down.
	He didn't say that.
	Was it implied?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, I mean, it's his perspective, and, you know, whatever.
	But yeah, that was crazy.
	That's definitely the craziest experience I've had on a date.
	He dropped you on the highway?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	That's crazy.
	At least I had enough money to Uber home, though.
	It was interesting.
	You did say, we already pretty much talked about it, but you said age gap dating, but I think you are fine with age gaps, is my understanding.
	Yeah, I'm cool with age gap dating.
	You said that disagreements, I've heard various things I've disagreed with, one of which was the marriage divorce thing.
	What was the disagreement there?
	Well, hold on one sec.
	Sorry, Brian.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	I just wanted to make sure my woods was a blank-free environment.
	Andrew, come on out.
	We can hang out and do some fishing.
	I bet I catch more than you do.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Bear in the Woods.
	Appreciate it.
	You're not going to catch more than me.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	What were your disagreements with the marriage divorce thing?
	So before I was on the podcast, I only saw one video about it, and it was on Moist Critical's channel.
	And there was this guy.
	I even forgot what they were talking about.
	Moist Critical.
	Doesn't he go by another name?
	I know exactly.
	He goes by Penguin Z0.
	That's it.
	On YouTube.
	He's my favorite.
	Ulysses, the pagan donated $69.
	Does picnic tops use booster seats when dining out like she is in the studio?
	No.
	You're like short, right?
	You're like 4'11?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But no, I didn't.
	Do you use booster seats?
	No.
	I mean, I know exactly what you're talking about.
	That was a panelist on the show.
	I don't agree with his position, so there's really no point for me to have you state.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because I don't agree with his position, so I'm not prepared to argue on his behalf.
	But was there something that was it?
	Yeah, that was pretty much it.
	That was the only example I had seen of the podcast before coming on.
	But you said you've heard various things you've disagreed with.
	I don't know.
	I guess I worded it badly.
	I had seen things in that video that I did not agree with.
	Right, that was another male guest panelist who is not a host of the show.
	What did he say?
	I don't want to.
	I don't want to.
	Okay.
	Is there anything else?
	You said you disagree with the various things, though.
	No, that was pretty much it.
	Okay.
	I saw on your Linktree your OF is called Malicious Kitty.
	What?
	Why?
	Just why?
	Well, I put the name Malicious Kitty for my OnlyFans name.
	I just thought it was like a cute, like, I don't know, cunty name at the time.
	Like, I mean, I was thinking about changing it to my stage name, which is Selena Imai.
	And I was thinking about changing it to be more professional, but I'm like, I think it's like a cute name.
	More professional?
	Well, yeah, because my stage name versus like just a random username, you know?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I like it.
	You know, I'm not actually familiar with what is considered a professional or non-professional level of porn names, to be honest with you.
	Well, because like my stage name is Selena Imai, but like my OnlyFans name is just a random username.
	So like if someone wanted to find mine, it might be harder for them to find it based off the random name.
	Okay.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever, twitch.tv.
	Was there something we were supposed to pull up, Nick?
	Yeah, there's a couple.
	What was the totally forgot?
	What was the whatever sounds?
	Oh, the stats.
	That would be, guys, we, somebody, a dear friend, a dear friend, painstakingly went through every episode and did like stats, analysis, data.
	We're going to pull that up in a sec.
	But first, let's do Twitch.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one, guys.
	Guys, it's been 52 minutes since we last had a Prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	I think it's bugged.
	And also, just drop us a follow if you're watching over there on YouTube.
	Just open up another tab really quick.
	Just hit the follow button.
	And then if you do have Amazon, you can link it to your Twitch.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	If you have Amazon, you can link it to your Twitch.
	Quick for easy way to support the show.
	Also, this is a big announcement in case you're just tuning in.
	Me and Andrew have teamed up.
	We've released a course called Verbal Combat that's available at debateuniversity.com.
	And there's 80 plus videos, six hours of content.
	Andrew Wilson, the master debater, teaching you.
	Oh, fair.
	What?
	Wait, so is it like videos from the both of you?
	It's Andrew, and he has two other high-caliber speakers, debaters.
	Yeah, so.
	You're just like on the board?
	I'm on the board of directors.
	Andrew, like how Andrew's on my board.
	Yeah, we do have footage of Brian, but there's DLC content.
	And that's what matters.
	Yeah, so I'm not much of a debater, but in any case, so we have that program available, debateuniversity.com.
	There's the course, and then we also have a monthly membership group where me and Andrew will be doing monthly QA sessions.
	Those will be fantastic.
	You really, I'm telling you guys, you know, when it comes to this thing, debate, it has so many life.
	I'm sorry, I'm still tipsy from them.
	I'm still tipsy from the champagne.
	So it's hard for me to gather my words.
	I'm a lightweight.
	You will not know how to proceed in life if you do not get this course.
	And it has a lot of applications because throughout your whole life, even if you don't do an actual sit-down debate with somebody on a certain topic, learning how to be able to craft arguments and debate has many applications beyond just, you know, if you have a YouTube channel or podcast, you're going to need to advocate for yourself in an academic setting.
	If you're ever, you know, in a relationship setting, plenty of application.
	Check it out, guys.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	Plus, I made sure to make it hilarious.
	It's also hilarious.
	I had all sorts of great anecdotes as I go through and walk you guys through the process.
	So I think people will enjoy it.
	Again, about seven in ten of the DMs that I get, there's hundreds per month, are about how do I become better at verbal judo or at debate.
	So I wanted to make sure I put something really high quality together.
	And that's exactly what we did.
	Rock and roll.
	Rock and roll.
	Now, guys, we're going to get into some of the stats.
	The whatever stats, 181 episodes.
	This is taken from.
	It'll take us just a minute or two to get through this.
	Pull it up, Nick.
	All right.
	Put us on the other.
	You can go big.
	That's fine.
	Okay, scroll down a little bit.
	Page two.
	I wonder if you.
	Yeah.
	Put me in the other corner.
	Other corner.
	Yeah.
	Small.
	Do small, I think.
	All right, guys.
	We've done 100 corner.
	Is there a left small corner?
	There isn't.
	Okay, whatever.
	181 episodes.
	Longest show was number 177.
	Longest show, nine hours.
	Damn, Rip.
	I think I was on that one.
	I think you were.
	Scroll down.
	Guest appearances.
	We've had 1,381 guests.
	We've had 168 repeat appearances.
	Unique guests, 1,045.
	Okay.
	That is crazy.
	Top 10 most frequent guests.
	Next.
	All right.
	We have number one, Andrew with 36, Chase with 13.
	Q with 11.
	Priya with 9.
	Shania, 9.
	Damn, she's been on 9 times.
	Mason 8, Kelly 7, Jake 7, Kiko 7, Lauren Rosas, 6.
	Okay, cool.
	Age, average age.
	People say we bring on like super young people, but I mean, average age, 25.
	Okay.
	Next.
	That one's not super interesting, but relationship.
	This is the relationship status breakdown of everybody.
	We got mostly single people.
	And okay, next.
	Now, this is the most interesting one.
	Because people, is that scrolled all the way down?
	Yeah.
	Sex worker status.
	So it's about 80%.
	80% non-sex worker, 20% sex worker.
	We often receive this criticism that whatever is an OF ad agency, and this has been levied multiple times.
	They claim we only bring on OF girls.
	It's actually looking at the stats for all the episodes.
	It's pretty minimal, you know.
	And I wonder what the percentage of the female population at 25 who's on OF even is.
	That might be interested.
	I'm interested in it to see.
	Well, it's probably not 20%.
	Status guy denoted.
	Question to everyone.
	Who are you voting for?
	Brian, we all know you're voting for Carmela Bro.
	Stop the cap.
	But I noticed you made a distinction there, which was interesting.
	It actually says only 3% are sex workers.
	And then it says 17% are OnlyFans workers.
	So by women's metric, how many of them are actually sex workers then?
	Wait, by women's metric?
	Yeah.
	So this guy, whoever put this together.
	You're saying, like, by women's metric, OF girls are not sex workers.
	Right.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, it was like 2%, 3%.
	Yeah, 3%.
	Yeah.
	Am I with them?
	Am I missing something?
	Well, yeah, so if they're accusing you of having a bunch of sex workers on, oh, right.
	So then the distinction there is: well, wait, do you actually consider OnlyFans sex work?
	A lot of the female perspective, it seems like they don't.
	I think they're sex workers.
	Yeah, I do.
	I think they're selling.
	Well, yeah, you included them.
	You said 20% sex workers.
	So you included sex workers and OnlyFans.
	But I'm saying from the position of those who are critical, like feminists, for instance, they wouldn't consider the OnlyFans girls to be sex workers.
	So he's actually from their perspective, it's only 3%.
	I see.
	Okay.
	True.
	That's true.
	Right, Mattie.
	Well, I feel like the people who don't consider the only fans, girls who don't consider themselves sex workers, are like solo content girls, which is obviously still sex work.
	But I think that's what.
	Yeah, but it's from the perspective of an internal critique.
	Yeah.
	So most of the people who are going to be critics of whatever are going to be leftist feminists.
	Not usually a lot who aren't leftist feminists.
	There's some who aren't.
	I agree.
	There's Christian conservatives who are also pretty critical.
	I think that they would agree that OF is sex work.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not sure leftist feminists would.
	True.
	Interesting.
	Very true.
	Stats, guys.
	He did ask a question, though.
	Who are you voting for, starting with you?
	I don't, honestly, like, I'm uneducated in politics, so I wasn't even planning to vote, which I know is bad, but it's not a problem.
	No, no, it's not bad.
	I know.
	No, no, but here's the thing.
	I know that I am uneducated in politics, so I don't feel like I should vote because I'm uneducated.
	Totally agree.
	Do you promise you're not going to vote this cycle?
	No, I don't want to.
	She's promising.
	She's promising.
	If you promise the steakhouse of your choice, the crucible will send you to.
	You promise?
	Yeah, I promise.
	You're not voting, right?
	I promise.
	Okay.
	Wait, is this like voter?
	Is this like a crime?
	Anti-community.
	To be like, I will give you money to not vote.
	No.
	No, I'm dead.
	It's not even a crime to give them money to vote.
	Really?
	No.
	You can just do it through a steakhouse.
	I was discouraged.
	I don't know.
	Perfect.
	Yes.
	The crucible will send you to the steakhouse of your choice, but you promise you're not voting.
	Promise.
	Your word.
	My word.
	Okay.
	No, it's not.
	It's not bribery.
	It's not bribery.
	She already said she wasn't going to do it.
	We're just incentivizing her to continue not to.
	Just encourage you.
	Who cares?
	I don't have a pack anyway.
	I'm a private citizen.
	I can bribe people if I want to.
	Who are you voting for?
	I don't know.
	I'm uneducated too, but can I just say that I vote for somebody because it's funny?
	Steak dinner in your mouth.
	Is that bad?
	Do you like steak?
	No.
	Okay, okay.
	What's your favorite meal?
	Chicken nuggets.
	If I get you a 20 piece.
	Muku bang, like mukbang.
	20-piece chicken nuggets.
	Promise you're not voting.
	Well, I've never voted.
	I've never been.
	Oh, yeah.
	Deal.
	I'm about to take it.
	So ideal?
	I just don't see relevance, but never mind.
	I'm going to say it.
	All right.
	Which one's funny?
	Who are you voting for?
	Oh, I was told this was like a dating in relationship podcast.
	I prefer not to talk about politics.
	But isn't politics something that comes up in dating a lot?
	I wouldn't know.
	I mean, I feel like it is.
	I think it does, yeah.
	Yeah, I think it does.
	It definitely does.
	Yeah, you want to date somebody who has the same values.
	Yeah.
	Or even if you don't have the same values, you're going to discuss politics at some point.
	Those are interesting conversations, though.
	Yeah, they are.
	It's just like fun.
	They are.
	And then you can, with chicken nuggets, bribe them not to even vote.
	It's perfect.
	And avocado line, right?
	Yeah, food, like as bribery.
	I'm always going to pick the food, to be honest.
	Look, and we're going to make sure that you get that steak because you're not going to vote.
	I wanted to vote for RFK, but now I just have to vote for Trump.
	Who's RFK?
	Robert F. Kennedy.
	John F. Kennedy's son or great-grandson related to John F. Kennedy.
	It's okay.
	You're voting for Trump.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	As long as it's Trump, we're good.
	Sorry, I'm joking.
	So I just want to make sure I got this right.
	No vote.
	No vote.
	No vote?
	Sure.
	I think you might have my dad.
	My dad works for the county, so I can't talk about any of these stuff online.
	Tweet the thing about who you're going to vote for because your dad works for the county?
	I just can't.
	Okay.
	You're underestimating.
	And then Trump, right?
	RFK, but.
	Listen, man, the county.
	It's serious business, Andrew.
	Which county?
	Because there's a lot of counties.
	Orange County.
	Is he even a politician, or does he just work for the county?
	Suffolk County.
	It's New York.
	Bro, that's New York.
	Oh, yeah.
	We don't even know.
	Oh, I forgot.
	It's all the United States.
	New York.
	Not just California.
	New York.
	New York.
	I thought they were pretty interesting for California person.
	Talk about who you're going to vote for if you're.
	It's against the law.
	It's against the law.
	What was the other thing?
	Was there something else?
	I'm sure it's not against the law.
	React to?
	okay while he's doing that does is there any dad bod thing Yeah, we could do that.
	All right, boys.
	Saw this tweet.
	Saw this tweet.
	So this girl says dad bods over six packs.
	Now, there's one glaring issue that that's not a fucking dad bod.
	That is not a fucking dad.
	That's like average.
	Where's the beer belly?
	That's like average.
	You think that's average, bro?
	That's cute.
	Well, you think that guy.
	You think Jason Momoa is average?
	On the left?
	Yeah, you think that's a body?
	I thought it was pretty average.
	You think on the left is an average physique?
	Yes.
	Yeah, because he doesn't have pecs, so he's not going to the gym, but he's not like...
	Yeah, he doesn't have pecs.
	That is...
	His pecs are invisible.
	Do you think that men that look like that don't go to the gym because they don't have six-pack abs?
	Not at all.
	I'm just saying, like, I feel like that was an average.
	That dude on the left clearly works out.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Honestly.
	But like, compared to this guy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but his body fat percentage is a little bit lower.
	But like Jason Momoa is going to have like abs.
	Well, like strength.
	Which guy do you think weighs more?
	if you look at their biceps their biceps look this guy weighs more I mean I mean, it's hard to do a comparison like that.
	I'm not the gym person.
	Yeah, he's like hella tall.
	Yeah.
	Well, he's like a bigger man.
	He's huge.
	I just like men.
	By the way, I just want to point out that the dude on the right has no body hair.
	Wait, so he shaves?
	Yeah.
	Oh, do you know that guy?
	No, but I have been told men should shave their arms.
	No.
	Men?
	What?
	No.
	Show us your tummy, Anne.
	No, no, I like hair.
	Well, they're showing their tummy.
	That's true.
	No, like, hairy hair.
	He doesn't have shaved arms.
	That's true.
	So hair is manly, you know?
	Like.
	Wait.
	What would you think if you were.
	Let's say you were at an event and a bald former prisoner lost his mind and told you to show him your tummy.
	Would you do it?
	I would run away.
	You wouldn't stand your ground and tell him that he was like dumb and stuff like that?
	The prisoner?
	No, I'm running.
	You're running.
	I'm running.
	What if he told you you should shave your arms?
	Would you shave your arms?
	Yeah.
	I get laser hair removal, so that's irrelevant.
	So you're not shaving your arms.
	My arms are bald because I get laser hair removal.
	All right, fair enough.
	Wait.
	Bow video?
	Bow.
	Oh, wait, okay, a couple things.
	Any disagreements from anybody on the panel who's seen the show?
	Like any other disagreements?
	Maybe you've seen Andrew, maybe you've seen me.
	Something we said, you disagree with.
	Any disagreements?
	Okay, then I'll just throw out.
	Let me see if any of you are going to bite on any of this.
	So, all right.
	Hold on.
	All right.
	Let me just throw out some fucking toxic shit.
	Toxic shit.
	All right.
	Women have dating on easy mode.
	What does that mean?
	Like they can get dates easier?
	As compared to men, way easier for women.
	I think they can get dates easier, yes.
	Okay, cool.
	Sweet.
	We all agree.
	Women have it on easy mode.
	You're 100% worth.
	Yes, definitely.
	I think that because there's more like men begging women to fuck than girls begging a man to fuck.
	Facts.
	That's facts.
	Facts.
	That's facts.
	Facts.
	Good answer.
	You think what?
	Women have better chances of women.
	Women.
	Women, women.
	I think I'm saying that.
	No, you said, I paid attention.
	You said woman.
	Woman.
	Nick, am I right?
	I said women.
	He heard woman.
	He heard.
	Is it like an LA thing?
	I don't know.
	No, they said every woman on planet Earth thing.
	But did I say woman?
	You said women?
	I think it just.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	Go ahead and make your point.
	Women sound the same.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	Okay.
	I think with women.
	Yeah, that just sounds like with women, I think it's more about we have better chances with, we have it easier when it comes to quantity, but not with quality.
	And with men, it's like the other way.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	I think men are more likely to find a good woman, depending on the man.
	But I think in the age range, too.
	I mean, hello?
	I want to make sure I got this right.
	I don't understand.
	Re-explain.
	Say it one more time.
	So women have better chances with quantity, so they will easily have men all over them.
	Like they want to hit.
	They can easily find a date.
	Men can't find a date that easily because you have to put more effort into pursuing a woman.
	But women have a harder time finding quality men, even though they have a quantity of men around them.
	Bullshit.
	But why do you think women end up in worst?
	Women.
	I'm saying what.
	No, you said woman.
	I'm telling you.
	But regardless of the reason behind whether it's women's fault or men's fault, because I do believe it's...
	Well, we're not talking about fault.
	You made a different claim.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But regardless, I'm putting that aside because I feel like you were going to bring that up.
	I still think women have a harder time seeing, identifying who's a good man or not, which is why they end up in a lot of relationships.
	And I think it's kind of contradicting to argue that that's not the truth because a lot of men will.
	Well, you changed your claim.
	That wasn't your claim.
	Your claim was quantity versus quality.
	Yes.
	So to be concise, yes, there's a lot more quantity for what?
	Men to choose from.
	And then it's the quality on the women's part.
	They can't find a good quality man.
	It's like it's harder for them to find a quality man because for multiple reasons, like they can identify it.
	Maybe they're out there.
	I'm not saying that it's hard because they don't exist.
	I'm saying like maybe they're just not taught well how to identify a good man.
	Okay, so what's a quality man?
	I mean it's subjective, but people with obviously good.
	Well, hang on, hang on.
	If it's subjective, how are they not being, how are they not finding them if it's a subjective metric?
	Wouldn't that mean that their metric would be fucked up?
	Well, most women want the same thing.
	So if I see that.
	Then it's not subjective.
	I mean, I'm just pointing that out because people could disagree with my definition and speaking for everyone.
	Like, you know, because I would be speaking for everyone.
	But someone who doesn't cheat, someone who has morals and doesn't cheat, has morals.
	Has morals and attractive.
	Hopefully, that's obviously.
	And they're obviously attracted to the masculine.
	That's part of quality, like having ambition, goals, and not.
	There's details about it too, like certain habits.
	There's a lot of men that are addicted to corn.
	And I don't think people, like, I think that's just majority, and I think that's really hard to find.
	Okay.
	So, backing up real quick, let's take the first four.
	They have to be attractive.
	Do you remember the other three?
	Good morals, loyal, and ambitious.
	Ambitious.
	Okay, we'll leave it there.
	What is a quality woman?
	loyal um Good morals.
	Attractive.
	And ambitions.
	In different ways.
	In different ways.
	Because I do believe that.
	What ambitions are we looking for in women exactly?
	Okay, I would say hobbies.
	What hobbies are men looking for in women?
	I do believe a man does kind of look for a woman that has personality at least.
	Yeah, but women are looking for men with personality, right?
	Sorry?
	Just stop touching the corner.
	Men are looking for women with personality as well.
	Yeah, so women that are at like have class, I won't embarrass them, basically, like educated.
	Aren't women looking for that quality in men as well?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So then what's our fourth criteria here?
	I'm not sure.
	I can't.
	I'm like.
	So then I don't understand if there's only three criteria for women, but five criteria for men.
	So that's a good idea.
	Then it seems like there would actually be more quality men than quality women.
	No, because women require more from men, which is why there's less quality.
	Oh, they require more from men.
	So it's not really that there's a quality issue with men.
	It's that women require higher quality men than men require higher quality men.
	But our requirements is what sets that standard for them to be quality.
	I mean, regardless, I still think they aren't quality men because, I mean, we're the who else are they going to date?
	Like, there's like other men.
	Like, the women set that standard and determine what is a quality man.
	Like, they set that standard.
	So it's still a lack of quality.
	Okay, but is the standard higher than what men have?
	You could say, like, as I believe in equity, not equality.
	I do believe women probably have more standards, but it's balanced.
	Okay, define equity and don't use a fucking box in your example.
	I already know you're going to use a box in the example.
	Define equity.
	I honestly can't give you like an Oxford dictionary definition.
	Just be your own definition.
	My own definition.
	It's when things are fair in that context.
	I mean, I could give an example, like you could say women and men are, you could argue there's equality if they fight in a boxing match, but it's not really equal because women have a less advantage physically.
	They aren't physically like a popular person.
	So let's back it up super quick because we only have so much time for the conversation.
	If the standards and quality are lower for men to women than women to men, then how in the world can you say that women have a harder time finding a quality partner if men's standards for what a quality partner is is lower than women's towards men?
	Well, because I think the standards that we set for men are justifiable.
	It's something that I'm not saying they're not.
	I'm assuming they are.
	So look, real quick, listen to the actual question I'm asking.
	I'm going to assume that you're correct and that women are assuming the standard for what quality of men are and vice versa.
	But if that's true, if women desire higher quality in men than men desire in women, then how is it that women are having trouble finding a quality partner?
	I'm not understanding.
	I think women and let's go over our standards.
	Let's start way back at the beginning.
	Yeah.
	What are the qualities that you think women want in men?
	Ambitious, loyal, good habits, attractive, morals.
	I'm not sure if I said something else.
	Okay.
	So now let's move over to the other side.
	What do you think it is that men want in women?
	Attractiveness, good morals, loyalty, and good personality.
	So the standard is lower.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So when you're saying quality, you're just actually saying that women have a higher standard than men do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's it, right?
	It's like it doesn't validate.
	I thought you believed in equity.
	It's like, you could technically say that women require more, but it's almost like...
	How's that equitable?
	It's almost like it's inevitable.
	It's like the only extra thing we require is.
	Yeah, how's it equitable?
	What are you asking?
	How is it equitable that women have higher standards for men than men have for women?
	We have.
	What does equitable mean?
	Well, she just explained it.
	Standards.
	Okay.
	Well, the original question was: can women find quality?
	But you brought this to a subjective menu.
	No, like, seriously, I'm lost.
	I'm like on the dead.
	I just think that a woman can't demand a certain quantity from men.
	Let us finish.
	We're almost done.
	Because we're going to bring it way back again instantly.
	How this argument started or how we got on it.
	Yeah.
	Because we're talking about the standards that men have versus women have for the opposite sex.
	You say it's subjective.
	So therefore, women are going to set the standard for what is a high-quality man, right?
	Women set the standard for what is a high-quality man?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so if women set the standard for what is a high-quality man, and you're saying their standard is higher than what men's standard is for women for what is high-quality, right?
	So yeah, women set the standard for what is quality.
	And like, it's like the way, the way I could simplify my thought process is like, it's not my fault.
	Like, sorry, this sounds really good.
	To sum it up, it's like not my fault if men require less.
	Like, there's a reason behind it, like a biological reason.
	But at the end of the day, there's still, because they require less, there's still an abundance of quality women.
	And because women require more, there's a lack of quality in men.
	Oh, okay.
	So then, so then let us solve the issue, okay?
	Men should raise their standards.
	Yeah, actually.
	I do believe that.
	So you're so the way that we would solve that issue to make it equitable is that men should raise their standards and then there would be less quality women, right?
	But I would like to, just for like the people sitting at home, like specify what that means.
	Could I express what I mean?
	Oh, I can't wait to hear it.
	Okay, so what do you think?
	Where do you think is the first place a man should raise their standards in a woman?
	Because that's where I think we would argue.
	I think a lot of men won't be like, well, I'm going to start requiring a woman to split Bills 50-50.
	And I think that's where I would find an issue.
	I think that they should begin to try to move towards women remaining chaste.
	I agree.
	That's what I mean by men should raise your standards.
	I think a lot of men look at any woman and expect her to be good, but she's like, they don't look for good qualities, like educated women, like good women.
	Well, I don't, I think that the qualities that you listed for what women are looking for in men aren't good qualities either.
	Sorry?
	I think that the qualities on the opposite end that you're listing for men, not necessarily good qualities either.
	Well, we know.
	So here's the thing that I didn't hear.
	I didn't hear you say virtue.
	Well, I didn't have that.
	It's because I correlate that with morals.
	I correlate that with, I tie that into morals.
	I could get specific and list like stoicism and stuff like that.
	Yeah, so, okay, morals.
	He doesn't steal.
	But does he hump a bunch of chicks before he meets you?
	No, that's why I said loyalty.
	Okay, loyalty.
	But if you're just saying that the way to correct this imbalance, so this, you're actually thinking about this the wrong way.
	Okay.
	So you say, when I think of the word quality, I think of better than.
	Right?
	Cool.
	So if I say this is a shit cup, this is a quality cup, which one's better.
	If you were to say one is a garbage cup and one is a quality cup, which one do you think is better?
	The quality cup, right?
	So if you say women have trouble finding a quality man, but men don't have trouble finding a quality woman, you can realize where most of us would say, ah, it sounds like you're saying one of these is better than the other, right?
	CDT 5074 donated $69.
	Women want men who earn more money than they do.
	Now women in the primary dating age bracket out earn men.
	They are illogical.
	They want to hijack the workforce in order to disqualify men as mates.
	Women want men who earn more money than they do.
	Okay.
	I want to try to bring in the rest of the panel here soon.
	I'm super, super close.
	I'm just saying that if we're looking at what is quality versus what is quantity, I think that if the standards are going to be higher for women to men than men to women, that doesn't mean that it's quality.
	That doesn't mean that it's actually quality that they're looking for, right?
	I guess.
	I'm just kind of lost.
	I'm trying to figure out how to frame this so that you'll understand it.
	Subjective preference.
	Real quick, real quick, we have a subjective preference, right?
	Women set the standard, right?
	Okay, if they set the standard higher than men.
	Repeat that.
	Never mind.
	Sorry, it's because I'm distracted right now.
	That's no problem.
	Has it been the whole show?
	Chad is saying the whole show, she's been playing with her microphone.
	And there's been audio issues the whole show.
	I'm going to add it to another thing to the pre-show notes, but we're going to swap after you.
	Thank you.
	It looks, I mean, the cable looks pretty loose to me.
	It could be.
	She loosened it because she was fucking with it.
	I'm pretty sure we can.
	That's been on and off.
	I haven't been checking on it.
	But we're just going to swap for.
	Do you want to hold this and then I'll call this one?
	Well, we already have multiple microphones on the table.
	Do you want to just put it on and shift?
	Yeah.
	What do you want me to do?
	Okay, pass it back to you.
	Okay.
	Move to this one.
	You're going to take this one.
	I'm going to take this one.
	This one down here.
	So, which one?
	Which mic is that?
	That's four.
	Three.
	Three is going on the floor.
	Four is on.
	Okay, it takes three.
	Let's bring.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Careful to her.
	A few more minutes or we'll just quickly wrap it up.
	Okay.
	You're just talking about an overage standard.
	So you're just saying one has a standard that's higher than the other.
	But I'm not sure that that makes it quality.
	I mean, I guess I agree.
	Yeah, so I mean, if that's the case, then all you're saying is that men need to raise their standards, right?
	Yeah.
	So that women have higher standards for men than men have for women?
	Women have high standards for men than men have for women, yeah.
	But because of that, to the original question, I think it's harder for women to find quality men to them because that's what they determine to be quality, like through those standards.
	Oh, yeah.
	So for men, it's just you're hot.
	That's usually enough of a quality, right?
	That was my intention of answering the question.
	It's like women have more standards, and there's like reasons behind that.
	I mean, I guess if we could just agree that the answer to that would be men raising their standards, then I don't really have an issue with it.
	Yeah.
	I don't really see a way around that, right?
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	We can move it on, Brian.
	Okay.
	I did want to ask just who here considers themselves a feminist?
	Anybody?
	Honestly, can I be?
	I don't even know the real definition of feminist feminist?
	Not the feminist?
	Feminist?
	Not.
	Okay.
	Well, the definition is like equality between women and men, but like, yeah.
	I don't identify as a feminist.
	Okay.
	Like maybe in the first wave.
	No, no, I was saying for her because she didn't know the definition of a feminist, but I don't identify myself.
	Because like I think there's a lot of negative stuff associated with the label of a feminist.
	And I don't know.
	In today's day, like a lot of people that claim to be feminists don't actually practice the definition of feminism.
	So to me, it's like, why label yourself?
	How do they not practice the definition of feminism?
	From, I mean, on the internet, I feel like a lot of people that claim to be feminists usually, as women, they try to be pro-women only, but the whole point of feminism was supposed to be equality between women and men.
	Yeah, but yeah.
	So if you thought that men were above you and you wanted equality, what would you be advocating for?
	Men or women?
	If you thought men were above women and you're trying to equalize it, then who would you be advocating for?
	Women.
	So to make it equal.
	So then a feminist would be advocating for women, right?
	They don't believe we're equal.
	All right, yeah, that makes sense.
	Yeah, so then by that standard, are you a feminist?
	Sure, like I believe in equality, like equal rights, you know?
	And to advocate on behalf of women because you don't feel like they're equal to men?
	Um, sure.
	Okay.
	Feminist.
	Um.
	Honestly.
	No, no, no.
	I just need just to think about it for a second.
	But honestly, if it's between equality, I don't think that men and women are equal.
	Wise.
	Should they be, though?
	No.
	No?
	Which way shouldn't they be equal in?
	Just in everything.
	I feel like they both have different things.
	Like, you know, a woman has certain, you know, women has the characteristics of being a mother.
	Meanwhile, a man has the characteristics of being a father.
	What about rights?
	Should they have equal rights?
	Yeah, I definitely do believe that.
	So what do you think?
	What do you think?
	But that's different than you're trying to contradict me.
	What would you think that women's advocacy would be for?
	That men can have children or equal rights.
	No, I'm just saying that they're not equal in that way because a woman could be a mother.
	That's her, that's her.
	She's not equal to a man in that way.
	Asking for men to have children?
	No, I'm just saying I think they're not equal.
	Yeah, okay.
	I understand they're not equal in action.
	Men can't have children.
	We agree on that, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but do you think that feminists are advocating that they do?
	No.
	They're advocating that they have equal rights, right?
	Okay, when it goes to equal rights, then yes.
	Okay, so then you want to have all the same rights that men have, right?
	I feel like that's already what it is.
	Sure.
	But that's what you want, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and if there was any imbalance to that, you'd want it corrected, right?
	So that men and women stayed with their whole equal rights thing, right?
	No, I feel like if a woman thinks that and feels that she could do what a man can do, then she should do it.
	That would still be equal rights.
	That's why.
	Yeah.
	So then, yeah, you're a feminist.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	How could you not be?
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	Just as long as you're not like.
	I mean, there's something wrong.
	Well, I mean, there's some people that are like angry and like just very.
	It's just chill about it.
	Like by this definition, technically, but like, I wouldn't call myself a feminist.
	Yeah, I don't label myself.
	Technically, like, okay.
	Yeah, I mean, you don't want the baggage that comes with the fact that you have an incoherent worldview.
	I understand that.
	But like, for instance, if you really believe in equality, how come none of you demand to be drafted?
	That's what I was going to say.
	I was going to say the reason I'm not a feminist is because I don't want to go to war.
	Well, there's like some ways.
	So then do you want to vote?
	No, I already said I don't want.
	No, no, I want the right to have a decision to vote.
	How come you think you should have the right to have a decision to vote for men or for politicians who can send men to war when you don't have to go to war?
	How is that the same as going to war?
	Well, you see, men can be drafted and you cannot, right?
	Well, because in politics and with like, you know, the values of like the Republican liberals, all that, there's different values and people are going to vote for their values.
	It's not all about war.
	Yeah, I totally agree.
	People are going to vote for their values.
	It's just weird that men can be.
	If you can vote for a politician who can send men to war, but they can't send you to war.
	How's that fair?
	It's not fair.
	That's why I don't identify as a feminist.
	Yeah, I get it.
	So why should women vote?
	Because voting doesn't all have to do with war.
	There's many factors of why I would vote for women.
	There's laws that affect women.
	Andrew Games could do well.
	Yeah.
	So let's get into this.
	But also, couldn't you just...
	Who takes the American population of war?
	You?
	Men do.
	Men?
	Yeah, like you're saying, the people that get sent to war, right?
	I'm sorry, females can't be politicians?
	No, no, I thought you.
	Who sends them to war?
	Whoever's in office, I guess.
	Again, I'm not politically educated.
	Yeah, but who is that?
	It's men and women, right?
	That vote for a certain politician.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But who has to fight the war?
	The men.
	Yeah.
	But women fight?
	They can volunteer to fight.
	That's why.
	So they can't be compelled to fight.
	But also, if we go back to the traditional values of the dominant man, regardless of if they were drafted or not, they're still in the war.
	The government can't come to you and say, guess what, princess?
	You're going to strap on a helmet and go to the front lines.
	We're going to use you to walk through this minefield so that we can make sure that there's no mines in this field.
	But also, I don't agree with you.
	Don't take that job.
	Because I think it's like unhuman.
	That's nice you don't agree with.
	I don't agree with war.
	I don't think it goes anywhere.
	It's just unnecessary violence.
	It's nice that you don't agree with war.
	But now let's assume that there's other countries that don't share your value, which there are, who attack your country that you live in.
	Whether you agree with war or not, you're in a war, right?
	Right.
	Who's going to fight it?
	The men.
	Because that's.
	And why do you get to send men to war?
	I'm not sending them to war.
	Are you voting for politicians?
	I haven't voted yet.
	Yeah.
	But can women vote for politicians?
	Absolutely.
	But men also vote for people that go to office that send men to war.
	So it's like the same thing.
	Yes, but they should be able to because they're the ones who get sent to war.
	also if we talk about other rights with women like abortion not to get into that but it's like that is a woman's right so it's like women's rights are only secured by how powerful the military is which secure their rights That's it.
	But what I'm saying is, in the context of voting, if there are laws that they, you know, want the right to an abortion, maybe they vote this way versus the other.
	So it's kind of the same thing with the war.
	It's not the same level of severity, but it is kind of like...
	So all of women's rights are secured by men.
	Soldiers specifically.
	Here's my example to demonstrate this for you.
	If you have no army of men to protect you at night, if the Chinese said you don't have any rights and just came into the United States, they could just take it over, right?
	Could women do shit about that?
	I mean, if they're in the war.
	Let's say all the men in the United States disappeared tomorrow.
	They were just gone.
	And the Chinese sent all of their men over here to come and take over the United States.
	Could women do anything about that?
	Yeah, of course.
	What could they do?
	I don't know.
	I mean, it depends what they do.
	Like, again, if it's in the war.
	Are they going to fight the red Chinese army?
	Women?
	No, but I'm saying in the context of the war, like they could still, like, you know, try.
	Yeah, what are they going to do?
	Are you going to throw baked cookies at it?
	Like, what do you think women are going to do if all the men in the American government?
	There are such things as strong women, I think, that can fight.
	How many strong women do you think are going to repel the red Chinese?
	Well, I'm not saying that.
	Yeah.
	So what I'm saying is that absent the men in society, if another society's men wanted to take your society over and take all of your rights, could women actually do anything to prevent that?
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, I guess they're not in the war.
	So there's no one to fight for us, basically, you're saying.
	How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	If I didn't eat breakfast, I didn't eat breakfast.
	Yeah, I thought you didn't.
	All right.
	I had a coffee.
	Yeah.
	But What was like the wraparound point that you were making?
	If you take so you wake up tomorrow, all the men in the whole country are gone.
	They disappear.
	They don't exist.
	They're out of existence.
	Another country sees it and sends all of their men over to take this country over.
	Can you tell me what women could do about that?
	I mean, whatever they want.
	I mean, if they have a gun, they can shoot or something, right?
	If they feel threatened or fight or attempt to fight back, right?
	But it's like, at that point, there's no traditional war because there's no men to fight the war.
	Right.
	So do you think that women would lose quickly?
	Probably, because they're not trained to be an awesome woman.
	And if those men wanted to take all of those women's rights away, could they?
	Probably.
	So we need men to fight in the war.
	Right.
	Right.
	So if that's the case.
	I'm not denying that.
	So then if that's the case.
	I'm not denying.
	I might go back to the moment.
	If that's the case, then men be able to determine the fate of who sends them to war.
	But that doesn't mean that only men should have a right to vote.
	Well, okay, but...
	Because, again, the voting isn't all about...
	Okay, well, then how about this?
	Women can never vote for a politician ever who has any authority over sending people to war, which would be all of Congress.
	Is that a good compromise?
	So you're saying that women wouldn't be able to vote at all?
	Nope.
	I'm saying that they could never vote for the president or Congress or the Senate.
	That's it.
	Well, that's mostly what people vote for.
	I mean, there's other things we voted for.
	No, you can vote for property.
	You can vote for property taxes and shit.
	Right, right.
	But it's like, you know, I mean, that's a big part of it because like the president and like Congress, they run the country.
	And who sends everybody to war?
	The politic, the politicians.
	The president and Congress, right?
	Congress makes an act of war.
	President's the commander-in-chief.
	They send everybody to war, right?
	Right.
	Yeah, so that's fair that they can send us to war, but not you.
	They can send women to war if they want.
	They can't.
	Why?
	Because they're not compelled to be drafted.
	Only men are.
	Right.
	But it's like, I'm not saying that like one day a politician isn't going to make it.
	Well, how about this as a compromise then?
	What if women had to be drafted?
	Would that be fair?
	It would be scary.
	It would be scary, though.
	Yeah.
	You don't want to be drafted?
	No.
	Then why do you want to vote?
	I never said I wanted to vote.
	So do you think women should have the right to vote?
	I think it's hard.
	No, women should vote.
	No, girl, don't.
	Women should be able to vote.
	It's a hard question because guys again, like, you're only focusing on the war activities.
	That's a pretty major aspect.
	Right, but what about everything else?
	Bricks, when we're getting a Morgan Bowe video, make her wear a baseball uniform.
	Um, what?
	When do we get a Morgan?
	A what?
	A bow video?
	Excuse me?
	No, bow.
	Make her wear a baseball uniform.
	Why?
	They want you to bow, Morgan.
	You down to hit a bow?
	Right now.
	Sure, fuck it, right now.
	What?
	Like, stand up?
	Stand up into this camera.
	Hit the bow.
	What's a bow?
	You got this money.
	Like a bow.
	You got an organ.
	Like a video bow.
	Bow.
	I'm just kidding.
	Like in a video?
	Like scoot over to your, this way a little bit.
	Yeah.
	A little more.
	Okay.
	Hit it.
	Like this, bow?
	The hands go like that.
	Yeah, the hands go there.
	Okay, go.
	That was pretty bad.
	No offense, Morgan.
	It was the first time that I'm proud of you.
	Good job.
	Thanks.
	What have been like that?
	She did good.
	She did good for her first go.
	By the way, TTS is, we've dropped it to 30, guys.
	$29.99, technically.
	But 30 will do it.
	What's up, Nick?
	The bow video?
	I guess we could do it.
	All right, guys, here's the bow.
	Andrew needs a sig.
	He needs to take a little smoke break.
	All right, boom.
	Huge.
	This is, I think this is kind of like what I'm looking for in a girl.
	Like the bow, you know?
	What does that mean, though?
	It's like a sign of respect.
	It's respect.
	It's a sign of respect.
	She's bowing to a man.
	Yeah.
	Yep, she's bowing to a man.
	Is he a king?
	Is he a king?
	Bro, look at this penthouse.
	You know how much fucking this probably is this.
	Honestly, if a man got me like that, then I'll bow to his side.
	All right.
	Look at that.
	Look at that nice apartment.
	He's providing.
	Yeah.
	Boom.
	The bow one more time.
	Let's see it.
	Boom.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Look at that.
	Right, because he's providing great things that she needs.
	That's a provider.
	I love fantastic depth, though.
	Oh, or like the quality.
	Morgan did like a begrudging, like.
	You know, that little like string guy outside like the car.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, Maddie, you can have for just while our good friend Andrew Wilson's out there smoking.
	All right, boys, chat.
	We're going to ask the chat.
	Oh, I know.
	What's everybody's body count?
	Damn, I should have asked that fucking sooner before everybody felt like that.
	That should have been the first.
	God damn.
	Well, it was zero for that one girl.
	Oh, wait, who?
	Who was zero?
	Her.
	Oh, her.
	But what about Jolie?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if she was giving me innocent or not innocent.
	Well, because her thing was about the virgin thing, so I'd assume she was a virgin, but it would be interesting if she wasn't.
	I was curious who that girl who was sitting there.
	She probably wouldn't say.
	No, she probably wouldn't.
	She wasn't.
	All right, so starting with Selena, what is body count?
	Body count.
	I don't know my body count, but I don't count the porn bodies.
	You have to count the porn bodies.
	Selena.
	Count the porn bodies.
	The porn bodies.
	Do women also count?
	Oh, yeah.
	How about tell us your woman count and your dude count?
	Okay, in porn, women count, I think, is four.
	And then man count.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then man count.
	I mean, I've worked with a lot of the same people, but I'll just say 10.
	I've worked with a lot of the same people, but.
	What's the, have you done like group scenes?
	Um.
	I've only done threesome scenes.
	Threesomes?
	Like two dudes?
	I've done one with two guys, but most of the time it's me and another girl and one guy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I've done four or five of them.
	I've done 10 scenes.
	No, I've done like probably 100 scenes.
	You'll do like repeat.
	Yeah, like there's a lot of people that I've worked with previously.
	Who's the favorite?
	Who's your favorite?
	Oh, my God.
	Who's your favorite dude that you've worked with?
	Favorite?
	I can't believe I'm asking.
	Favorite dude?
	Isaiah Maxwell.
	No fucking idea who that is, but he's so sweet.
	I hate that name.
	He's so sweet.
	He's a sweetheart.
	Yeah, like he's a very nice man.
	Cool.
	So that's your.
	So you said 10 from what?
	Probably more.
	Bruh, Selena, come on, bro.
	Well, but it's like, okay, how are you going to do this?
	Put it in this perspective.
	Selena, how are you going to do me 10?
	Put it in this perspective, right?
	If I'm doing porn for since January and it's been seven months, like, am I really going to remember over seven months?
	Yeah, bro.
	Joshua Stacey donated $30.
	Andrew, I love you forever for teaching how government works.
	I recently ran for state senate and got 28% of the vote with 2% of the budget.
	I lost a battle with an old lady, Alpha Josh.
	I feel so bad.
	Kill of cereal, are you still in the stream?
	Another question he asked.
	He asked a question at the beginning of the stream, and I said we would do it after.
	Oh my god.
	What was the question?
	Kill of cereal.
	Are you still in the stream?
	I'm sorry, bro.
	I'll ask this panel, and I'm gonna.
	Nick, can you make a note for me?
	I'm gonna re-ask it next stream.
	It was most embarrassing, like, date.
	Dating dating story.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, kill of cereal.
	I don't know if you're still here.
	I'll ask it tonight and I'll ask it complimentary again on Tuesday.
	My bad, bro.
	My bad.
	Kill of cereal.
	I apologize.
	Wait, so it's like 100?
	What?
	Well, like, I've probably done, I've probably done like 100 scenes.
	How many?
	Well, like, the scenes I've done.
	What?
	No, I'm saying this.
	I've probably done like 100 scenes in seven months or something, somewhere close to that.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So, like, it's just hard for me.
	But with like 20, 20 dudes, like 30 dudes?
	Probably.
	Like, 40 dudes.
	Like, 50 dudes.
	Not 50.
	But like 60 dudes.
	Not 60.
	But like 70.
	Well, if it was different every time, but I've worked with a lot of the same people.
	So.
	Can you and then tell us the body count like civvies.
	Tell us the civilian body count.
	Civilian?
	Yeah.
	Tell us the civvies, boys.
	So, oh, I don't know if I remember how many, how many, like, chicks.
	Just hear me out.
	Are you like, do you top when you like fuck chicks or what?
	I don't really have sex with girls.
	I thought you've done scenes with chicks.
	Yeah, but like.
	Oh, the threesome stuff or whatever?
	Yeah, like, and again, I'm submissive, so like, I always do the submissive role.
	Okay.
	But, like, outside of porn, like, I don't really remember because, like, I didn't have sex like with like outside of porn for like, it's been over a year.
	Like, I've only had sex within porn for the last year.
	Like, wait, did you lose your virginity?
	Like, porn?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I was, I was not a virgin when I did porn.
	But I haven't slept with anyone since like last June, I think.
	And then the first time I had sex again was in December, which was my first porn scene.
	So I haven't had sex outside of the industry, so I don't really remember my body count outside of that.
	If that's fair, I don't know.
	You don't remember the like civilian body count?
	I mean, let's just keep it at like an even 10.
	You know?
	Just like an even 20.
	An even 10.
	Like an even 30 or something.
	That's cool.
	No, it's all good.
	Yeah.
	It's all good.
	I mean, I don't know.
	What about you?
	What about my body count?
	Yeah.
	Five.
	Multiply it by three.
	That's the real number.
	It's like smiling.
	It's five.
	It's five.
	Hers is actually five.
	It could have been one last night, but what the?
	Oh, the guy who you're.
	He's cute.
	That's my husband.
	That's my man.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Maddie?
	If you know, you know.
	Morgan?
	One.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	Guys, TTS, $29.99.
	Get them in.
	Get them in.
	Roast section.
	There's clearly a lot of people here to roast.
	Yeah, there's so many people.
	Andrew, everybody.
	Oh, man.
	I feel like maybe should have kept them.
	Andrew's chugging that.
	The crazy girl.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Well, but she said she wanted to leave, though.
	Well, like this.
	I think that was just like a cry for attention, even though she had all the attention.
	And then since we were like, shut up, be quiet in the corner, she was like, I want you to leave, but I really want you guys to beg me to stay.
	Yeah, probably.
	I was just like, leave.
	Yeah, like get the fucking slack.
	My patience is not a good idea.
	But my patience was tested.
	It's weird that one.
	I think her mom had to pick her up.
	Oh, yeah, she said in the beginning of the show.
	So we're down to two.
	Yeah, this is it.
	This is the fucking panel, bro.
	This is what I deal with.
	This is it, boys.
	Look at this.
	He was the only loyal one standing.
	Yo, W Selena.
	W Cece?
	Only the D gens made it.
	Only the D Gens.
	Well, the thing with her, right?
	The crazy chick, is that Grim Eyed Reaper donated $30.
	Body count matters.
	Stats say that 30% of DNA paternity tests are negative, and the chance women cheat in marriage are 16x higher if body count greater than 20.
	Guys, paying support for or raising other guys' kids.
	Yo, thank you for the TTS Grim Eyed Reaper.
	Good to see you back in the chat.
	By the way, guys, PR Aquatic donated $35.
	Does pineapple belong on pizza?
	This is serious.
	You won't be judged by this answer.
	Yes, no.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Did you say yes?
	Get out.
	Get the fuck up.
	Get out of here.
	I don't know.
	You put pineapple in your tacos too?
	Okay, but that would be good.
	I didn't have jack-in-the-box tacos in my purse.
	What do you mean it would be?
	You just ruined it.
	No, because then it's fine.
	No, no, no.
	Have you ever had like Salon?
	Munchart Spaghetti donated $33.
	Pineapple is a little pineapple.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Try to stay healthy and hydrated so you don't die from stress like Kevin Samuels.
	Stop smoking Six Andrew.
	Stop eating Burgess Brian.
	I'll lose some weight, boys.
	Pinkerton 7 donated 33.
	Thank you, Pinkerton.
	Women didn't earn the right to vote majority of them.
	Vote Democrat who are war happy, always ruined the economy.
	Pro delusion also want to give women the right to kill their unborn children for any reason.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Democrats or lunatics.
	Vote Trump.
	Vote Trump.
	Word.
	He's funny.
	By the way, he's funny.
	By the way.
	Oh.
	That's below the threshold.
	But I'll just read it.
	Tarth Andrew, two out of three is not bad.
	Bring them to the dark side.
	Bring them to the dark side.
	Bring them to the dark song.
	Join the dark side.
	Hold on a second.
	Oh, wait.
	I see what I did.
	Where is it?
	Wait.
	Minimum amount to read.
	Oh, okay.
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	What are we talking about?
	Body count?
	Yes.
	Talking about Selena's body count.
	Pizza, pineapple water.
	I remember what I was going to ask Selena.
	So, I mean, I always like to extend a call to action by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to write here right now.
	Good song.
	Would you consider stopping sex work entirely and making a commitment on the whatever podcast to stop for like what?
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Stop it.
	Stop it, Selena.
	For what?
	Oh, so you want me to say stop it?
	No, I want you to make a commitment on the show that you will stop being a mattress actress.
	No.
	That you will stop.
	No, that's my source of income.
	What if we found you a job for $4,000 a month?
	No, because I could make more in sex work than $4,000.
	You could make more than $4K at a job.
	True, but you said for $4K a month.
	Yeah, sure.
	But let's assume, because you said in your average month's about less than $10K.
	Honestly, okay, no job would make me quit.
	But like, again, if I had a man that wanted me to quit and I loved him and he was going to be a provider, then I would quit.
	How come no job would quit?
	How come no job would make you quit?
	Because I have a man providing for me.
	Yeah, but you can provide.
	That's like my dream.
	You do realize that almost every woman on planet Earth who provides for themselves does not do it through sex work.
	Right.
	So you could easily provide for yourself absent sex work.
	Exactly.
	So why sex work specifically?
	You already said it's not any easier than another job, right?
	No, it's not.
	Well, it's very competitive.
	Then I don't understand.
	Why do sex work specifically?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I could have done something else, but that's what I chose to do.
	And that's what I'm doing.
	Yeah, but you can also choose to not do it.
	So like, you can imagine if I had a job as a garbage hauler and I decided to not be a garbage hauler, that I could get a job that wasn't hauling garbage.
	Right?
	Well, but I'm not a garbage hauler.
	Yeah, but that's not the point.
	The point is, is that if I was, I could just change my profession.
	Right, just like I can change my profession.
	Right.
	So there must be some underlying motivation.
	And if it's not that this is easier than a different motivation, then what the hell is that?
	I mean, I'm already here.
	I like what I do, you know?
	Then that sounds like it's easier.
	No, no, but what I'm saying is like for me, if I were to quit my job now, like I would want like a husband that's going to provide for me so I never know.
	Why would a husband be required for you to have a different career?
	No, no.
	Well, because that's my decision.
	I know it's your decision, but why would it be a requirement?
	Because I don't want to have to work ever again.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, if I were to quit my job now, like, then I would want to have like the guaranteed, just like, I don't know.
	I just always wanted a man to take care of me.
	But you can still get that yourself.
	This is so bizarre to me because the career that you're in is going to lessen the chances of that.
	And then you can have a career.
	Can you find a man to provide for me and all that?
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Is he going to be in your industry?
	No.
	No?
	I mean, he might be.
	I don't know.
	But I don't know.
	Just like, I kind of like what I do, you know?
	And like.
	It's not because it's easy money?
	No, it's definitely not easy money.
	The only motivation is that you just like to get fucked on camera?
	Yeah, I think it's fun.
	That's really?
	Yeah.
	So would you do it without money?
	No.
	That's really weird.
	So wait a second.
	If you weren't getting paid for it, you wouldn't do it.
	Right.
	But it's the only job, but it's the only job you're willing to do.
	Unfortunately, I'm Miss Loud Annoying Woman.
	But as someone who makes more money than all of the girls combined, do something different.
	Air traffic control will hire you off the streets at $200K.
	It's a stressful job.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, but she has a stressful job.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	The pussy's getting stressed out.
	100%.
	Well, no, she says it's hard.
	It's stressful for the pussy.
	100%.
	Is it stressful for the pussy sometimes?
	Yeah.
	Does the pussy get stressed out?
	Yes.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	Malicious kitty.
	Yeah, malicious.
	The kitties are so malicious.
	Ulysses the pagan donated $30.
	Andrew, any popcorn crumbs in the trigger is that you can put on Brian's hoodie and trigger his OCD.
	Don't do it, Andrew.
	Do it.
	I'll do it now.
	Oh!
	Hold on.
	Andrew.
	Immediately rolling.
	Wait, I got a little piece of popcorn.
	Andrew.
	It's all over, right?
	I want you to have.
	It's so bad, dude.
	It's all over.
	Andrew, next time we have you on this super serious debate, you're going to be debating abortion, and I'm just going to slowly come up and just go or some crazy shit like that.
	Wait, you got like a hair.
	Wicked Wally donated $30.
	Have you considered applying for a job as a train conductor?
	It sounds like you've been railed so much you're overqualified.
	Better somehow on the bottom.
	I'm going to get a train run than get a train run on.
	Oh, if that's what you call them.
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	Thank you, Pagan, for.
	Or not thank you, Pagan, I guess.
	Wait, better to help train what were we talking about?
	Something about.
	Okay, but also, okay, but like what.
	And you're petite too, bro.
	I'm just looking out for the pussy.
	Right.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	I'm just saying.
	No, but you're four level, right?
	You're four level.
	Yeah.
	Bruh.
	I'm just saying.
	You say it's a stressful job.
	Yeah.
	I'm just looking out.
	Psycho donated $30.
	Girl in red and white top.
	You seem nicish, so I wish you the best and hope that one day when you are 60 and have a cat you realize that of might not have been the best choice when wanting a man.
	Damn.
	Psycho, that's crazy.
	Damn.
	That's crazy.
	I'm tearing up.
	Wait, I got some good news for you.
	I just want to know, though.
	I gotta ask.
	Well, also, like, so you wake up tomorrow, right, after not having breakfast again, and you stretch, right?
	I had coffee.
	Yeah.
	So you stretch your arms, right?
	You're like, I'm not going to do OnlyFans anymore.
	Walk me through what life then looks like.
	I don't have a job.
	Well, like, second year.
	I know, I know.
	So you get a job.
	So, like, why would you do that?
	Why would I do a career change, though?
	The Emperor of the United States tomorrow's like, sex work is illegal of all kinds.
	So it's dumb.
	I've thought about that.
	Yeah, so you wake up in the morning.
	It's totally illegal.
	You can no longer do it.
	Psycho donated $30.
	The truth is crazy, Brian.
	Also, you are a freak for fostering the BLM movement.
	We are dope.
	I will not stand for your disrespect of BL.
	Yeah.
	Big labia matter.
	Okay.
	Too many women.
	10,000 labia plasties a year, son.
	That's one too many.
	If I can do what I can do to prevent one girl from getting her shit chopped up, I'm going to do it.
	Because I'm a gentleman and a feminist.
	It's a labia.
	And an all-around great guy.
	It's your vagina.
	It's a part of your vagina.
	Anyways.
	Anyway, what was happening?
	Okay, so you wake up tomorrow.
	You stretch.
	Porn's illegal.
	What do you do?
	I go find a man to provide for me.
	Do you think you would be able to?
	Yeah.
	Well, then why don't you quit doing porn and go do that?
	But I do do that.
	I'm pursuing men all the time.
	Oh, it's both and.
	But, like, I still like my job, you know.
	And, you know, I think that's.
	But the ultimate goal is you want a man to provide for you.
	Yeah.
	And you do think you think that your chances of that are going to be lessened by you doing corn.
	Well, that was only earlier when we were talking about the traditional values or whatever.
	Yeah, so the man you thought.
	Right, but if a man was going to provide for me and he didn't meet all the criteria, like, I'm not that picky.
	You're not that picky?
	Joshua Stacey donated $30.
	My Penn15 thinks someone could be at a stage in life where being her lifetime fuck toy would be a sweet gig.
	She just can't find Christ after that.
	I don't get it.
	Well, you're saying that there's a lot of women, women, in your position, a lot of women in your position who, well, they'll ride the cock carousel, as they say, and then engage in sex work.
	And then later, about 27, 28, seems to be the age where all that work, gone.
	Because, well, the wall is undefeated.
	And so once they hit it, they realize they're not going to get as many gigs.
	They tend to move over to any type of bastion where they won't get shamed.
	Christianity seems to be one of those bastions where they think they can hide out without being shamed.
	That's what he's saying.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, my parents raised me as a Christian.
	I don't identify as a Christian, but I was raised that way.
	Oh, sorry.
	No, I meant come back to Christianity.
	Oh, come back to you, man.
	Come back to Christianity.
	I don't know, but I don't know.
	I wouldn't do it to cover it up.
	Do you believe in God?
	Are you so I believe there is a God, yes.
	Do you believe there's a devil?
	Yes.
	Well, then let me ask you a question.
	If the devil or God were speaking to you as for what you should do when it comes to corn, do you think that God would endorse your decision to do corn or the devil?
	Well, God accepts everybody.
	What about the devil?
	What would he want you to do?
	But that's assuming that.
	The devil exists, what you just said he does.
	Right, but that's assuming that he holds a certain opinion.
	But like, what opinion do you think the devil holds is the question?
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	In the world.
	The problem is that you could survive on $60k a year, but you won't be attracted to any man who makes less than what you make via exploiting your looks.
	It's ruining your chance of finding a good man.
	Yeah, so what do you think the devil would want you to do?
	But like, technically, we don't know what the devil thinks because we never talk to him.
	Well, you do believe there's a devil, you said, yeah.
	Well, for me, like, I'm pretty sure based off of Christianity, if there's God, then there has to be an existence of the devil.
	Okay, great.
	So if I believe in God, then I have to believe in the devil.
	That's based off of Christianity.
	So then you believe in the devil.
	Yes.
	What do you think he would want you to do versus God when it came to corn?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I feel like it's more of a world view.
	Because the world shames sex workers.
	So when the devil.
	So let me ask you this.
	Does God want you to do corn?
	I don't know.
	I'm going to have to ask him.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	For me, like...
	Okay, then does the devil want you to do corn?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	It's all based off the assumption that the devil holds a certain view and then God holds a certain view, but we don't know getting that.
	And tell me that the devil or God.
	Does this sound right?
	God wants you to do corn and the devil wants you to not do it.
	I didn't say that at all.
	I know.
	I'm just saying.
	I know you didn't say it.
	Listen again to what I'm asking.
	If I were to say this out loud, God wants you to do corn.
	The devil wants you to stop doing corn.
	Does that sound correct to you?
	The worldview of that is a no.
	Because the world doesn't do that.
	But we're not God or the devil.
	Let's reverse it.
	Let's reverse it now.
	God wants you to stop doing corn, and the devil wants you to continue.
	Does that sound correct or incorrect?
	Based off the worldview, it sounds correct.
	Okay.
	But again, we're not God or the devil, and we don't have a right to judge people on that scale.
	So it's irrelevant because we don't know.
	Where does God put people after he judges them?
	He puts them in hell.
	But based off of Christianity, people that accept God into their heart are accepted into the kingdom of God.
	What about what I understand about Christianity?
	So as far as my sex work, he wouldn't judge me for doing sex work.
	What does God judge anybody for?
	Then why the hell did it end up?
	Honestly, dude, religion is confusing.
	Why do people end up in hell if God doesn't judge them?
	No, I'm saying he does judge them.
	Based on what does he judge them for doing?
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	Because I don't understand full Christianity.
	Then why do you believe in God?
	I believe in the existence of a God.
	And an existence of A-Devil?
	Yes, because with, you know, in the world...
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	I was saying, because we were talking about Christianity in Christianity, if you say there is an existence of God, then you have to say that there's an existence of the devil.
	Okay, forget it.
	In Christianity.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Let's forget all of that.
	Let us assume, assume Christianity is not true.
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	This girl is so full of shit.
	She knows for sure she's doing the devil's work.
	Let's assume for a second Christianity doesn't exist.
	We've proven it's totally false.
	Do you still believe in a God?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you still believe in a devil?
	Yes.
	Because I, because anybody.
	Okay, okay, hang on, hang on.
	Now we've removed Christianity from the table.
	What is this God that you now believe in, who's not the Christian God, think about you doing OnlyFans?
	I have no idea.
	But it's like I think.
	Then why do you believe in it?
	Well, hold on.
	Let me finish.
	So what I was going to say is, I feel like, as far as occupation, there are true evil people in the world that do evil things.
	I don't have evil intentions in my heart.
	So it's like, if you judge me for doing sex work, fine, that's up to you.
	I don't care.
	You know, it's what I do.
	Do you judge?
	But it's like, I feel like it's more about.
	Do you judge a thief?
	It depends what they stole, right?
	They stole a Snickers bar.
	Right.
	Is that wrong?
	That's not like evil intention.
	Like, they're not robbing someone's house.
	I feel like that has more evil intention than taking a candy bar.
	Is stealing a Snickers bar wrong?
	Being a thief is wrong, but there are scales.
	That's not what I asked you.
	Is stealing a Snickers bar wrong?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	To be a thief, yeah.
	Is having sex outside of marriage wrong?
	No.
	Is being a prostitute wrong?
	Which you consider to be OnlyFans and anything in between.
	A person who gets paid to have sex, you do this, yeah?
	You get paid to have sex?
	I get paid to create entertainment.
	And that entertainment is you doing what?
	Is sexual.
	P and the V. So you're having sex.
	P in the V. Correct.
	Okay, so you get paid to have sex.
	Correct.
	How in the world could you ever envision any definition where getting paid to have sex on camera is not prostitution?
	Because it's for the purposes of entertainment.
	It's just like a movie.
	Oh, is prostitution.
	No, but it's like, if you think about porn, it's a fake concept with fake characters, right?
	With real sex.
	With entertainment, we're selling entertainment.
	With real sex.
	Let me get this right.
	Let me get this right.
	A prostitute isn't a prostitute as long as there's a camera there.
	No, but porn is made to be sold entertainment.
	So is a prostitute's vagina.
	What do you think?
	But that's not.
	They're buying it for the entertainment value.
	It's entertaining to have sex.
	Right.
	So what do you mean?
	But I'm saying on a scale, being a private prostitute, like on the street and getting money to have sex is not the same as making entertainment to be on the internet.
	When you're playing a role, which just like a movie, just think about it.
	Sorry, are you both.
	So let's say that I went.
	Like I play characters in sex.
	So I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	So I'm driving down the street and I see two women wearing practically nothing off to my right.
	And one of them has a sign who says, hey, I'll suck your dick for 20 bucks.
	I can assume she's a prostitute, right?
	I walk over to her and I say, hey, I really want you to do that for 20 bucks on camera so that I can then sell it to people for entertainment.
	She's not when she goes and hang on, hang on.
	And then sucks it for 20 bucks as long as she's on camera and I sell it for entertainment.
	She's not a prostitute then?
	No, but I'm saying that it's like you're still creating like pornographic material.
	Uh-huh.
	Which for me?
	So what makes her?
	I don't understand.
	What makes her a prostitute then in that case?
	Well, you were saying that the definition of a prostitute is anyone that sells anything sexual.
	So by definition, the word prostitute, right?
	I don't really, I'm not offended by the word, but there are definitely different levels of sex work.
	Uh-huh.
	I don't personally do any escorting or anything.
	Okay, so forget my definition.
	Let's try this again.
	Forget my definition.
	Forget I ever gave you any definition.
	Woman holding a sign.
	I will S the D for 20 bucks.
	Is that a prostitute?
	That is prostitution.
	Okay, great.
	So then you pull up in your truck and you say, get in.
	We're going up to that hotel room and you're going to do it while my friend films and then I'm going to sell that film.
	Is she engaging in prostitution?
	Street prostitution.
	Is she engaging in prostitution when you pick her up, take her up to the room, your friend films?
	That is the definition that we have created.
	Yes, she's a prostitute.
	So then how are you not?
	Because I don't know, maybe it's just the way I view it.
	I'm not denying like, you know, the definitions of words, but for me, like, I always viewed porn as being a movie, but sex.
	Because I'm playing, like, when I go to set, I get a script and I'm, you know, the babysitter or I'm this.
	You know, it's like a role in a movie, but it's just.
	Or like guest on a podcast.
	I mean, so, so let me, let me break it.
	Let me break it down even.
	So like, again, for me, like, as far as porn, when there's like a whole crew and all this professional camera equipment, like, I feel like I'm on a movie set, but the movie, the point of the movie is to be sexual content.
	Right?
	Have you ever seen acting in which a sex scene is done, but nobody's actually having sex?
	Like, you mean in movies?
	Yes, right?
	So you can have movie scenes where you're having sex, but there's no actual sex.
	Meaning you're in a movie, it appears to the audience that you're having sex.
	Like, you mean just in a normal movie, like on Netflix?
	It appears like you're having sex, but you're not actually having sex.
	Right.
	Right.
	That is fake sex.
	You're not getting paid to have fake sex, are you?
	You're getting paid to act in that role.
	Just like I'm getting paid to act in a porno role.
	Act?
	But except it entails different.
	Are you acting like a penis is entering your vagina, or is that not acting?
	Because in a movie, that's actually.
	I never said that the sex was fake.
	I mean, there are aspects that are fake, right?
	In a movie, no penis enters an actual vagina.
	No actual penis enters a vagina.
	They just act like it.
	In your movies, does an actual penis enter an actual vagina?
	Right.
	That's what makes it possible.
	How is that acting then?
	Because I'm playing like a fake character.
	And, you know, if they're telling you.
	She's doing the real thing of sex.
	Right.
	So the sex is real.
	The character's fake.
	Well, if you want to, no, no, but if you're, but if you define.
	That's a prostitution.
	No, I'm saying if you define like, okay, the dick entering the vagina, yes, but are all the reactions real?
	No.
	It's fucking for entertainment, you know?
	Okay.
	Do you know what I mean?
	But like, what was the original?
	Do you think that all of the reactions of a prostitute are going to be real when you hire her to have sex?
	Of course not.
	So she's playing a role just like you, right?
	Right.
	So then she's not a prostitute?
	Or you are a prostitute?
	Sure, I'll take it.
	I mean, you already said the definition of a prostitute was any explicit material.
	I'm going off your definition.
	And like, I don't, again, I don't be offended by words like that so much.
	I'm going off of your definition.
	I said, forget mine, and I asked you if a woman's holding a sign says $20, I'll do X. You call that a prostitute.
	Well, again, if you look at sex work, there are different divisions of sex work, right?
	I mean, so per your definition, a prostitute is also.
	Forget my definition.
	What is a prostitute by your definition?
	By my definition, even if I wasn't in porn, my definition of a prostitute, my idea, my brain immediately goes to like street walking, hopping in the back of cars.
	That's what my brain goes to.
	Or like, you know, can women, but like, I mean, that's fine.
	Can you be walking down this?
	So let's see if this is correct.
	If Madison here was walking down the street and a guy pulled up and said, hop in the back, and she hopped in the back and no sex occurred.
	And then he cruised her to a location.
	She got out.
	Is Madison a prostitute?
	She's a slut and she knows it.
	Would Madison be a prostitute?
	If she hopped in the back of the guy's car and had a lot of money.
	Not everyone that hires prostitutes hire them for money.
	Yeah, I know.
	Answer my question.
	Sure.
	But like she wasn't a prostitute because she wasn't being like labeling herself as like a sex worker on the street.
	Okay.
	Let's assume that Madison is a virgin, labels herself a sex worker, but has no sex at all with anybody ever.
	Is that a sex worker?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I'm just like, I kind of lost the plot a little bit.
	Let's try it again.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Let's pretend that Madison says, I'm a sex worker who has no sex with anybody at any time.
	Is she a sex worker?
	So just identifying like as for no reason?
	No.
	No.
	So then her identifying has nothing to do with the sex work.
	Her jumping in the back of a car has nothing to do with the sex work.
	Correct.
	What has to do with the sex work specifically?
	If you had to think of one thing, one quality about sex work that would make it sex work, what would that one quality be?
	Crazy dancing.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	What would it be?
	I mean, for me, like.
	I mean, it's sex work, right?
	So the one quality.
	If a man, no, no, but if a man, I feel like it's more emotional because if a man, I mean, you know, it's more emotional because if a man gets sexual gratification from just having a conversation with a woman, you know, and she's getting paid for that, that would be considered sex work.
	I see.
	Right?
	So I just want to make sure I get this right.
	So let us assume for a second that your job is to pick up the phone and have a conversation with a guy on the other end.
	Yeah, there are sex callers.
	Sure, sure.
	Yeah, sex phone callers.
	Right.
	Are they engaging in any sort of sex work, by your estimation?
	Technically, yes.
	Okay.
	So sex work.
	Because that's how they get their sexual gratification, which involves something sexual.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	So then if you move down to the next line, okay, if they engage on the street with a sign that says, come plow me for 20 bucks, they're engaged in sex work.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	So then if they're on camera and they're getting plowed for money, that's sex work, right?
	Correct.
	If they're on OnlyFans and they're stripping, that's sex work, right?
	Correct.
	Okay, great.
	Great.
	Got it.
	If we were to formulate a word that would encompass all of this, let's say that we assumed that that word was prostitute.
	And what prostitute meant was that you sold sexual favors for money.
	Would all of those women fall under that category?
	Yes.
	Do you think that that's how the category is usually referred to?
	No.
	No.
	But again, like my initial, like I was telling you earlier, when I think of the word prostitute, even again, even before porn, my brain immediately went to like street walking, like selling sex.
	Because like, I don't know, if I just grew up and that's the word that they used to say that, but it was always in that context.
	Sure.
	So walking myself.
	But again, based off of your definition.
	Right down the sidewalk, you blow a guy, that's a prostitute.
	But if that same woman was 50 floors up with three cameras on her, that's not a prostitute.
	Based off of my initial thoughts, yeah, I mean, if the actual definition of a prostitute is someone that involves in anything sexual, then sure.
	No, sells sexual favors for money.
	Right, sure.
	I didn't know the proper definition of a prostitute.
	Well, that's until you told me that.
	That's my dad.
	I'm purely just going off of yours.
	But like, no, but you did say that earlier, that the definition.
	Yes, that is mine.
	That's yours.
	That's not a fact.
	If you were going to.
	So that's only your opinion.
	Yeah.
	So that's not valid to the conversation.
	So.
	Your opinion that the distinction between a prostitute and a non-prostitute is camera.
	Well, because I thought that the actual dictionary definition was what you were telling me.
	So based off of that, if that was a fact, then yes, that would be in the same category.
	But you don't have a problem being called a prostitute anyway.
	No, because fine, call me whatever you want.
	You know, I'm used to people getting a lot of people.
	But I just want to make sure.
	Do you yourself think you're a prostitute?
	Do you think?
	I'm a sex worker.
	No, no, no.
	That's not my question.
	Do I think I'm a prostitute?
	Do you think?
	No.
	No.
	But it's like if it was based off of your definition of just talking about you yourself.
	I never viewed myself as a prostitute.
	No.
	But I just want to confirm this.
	One, you do not consider yourself prostitute, right?
	No.
	But two, you can confirm that men do pay you to have penetrative sex on camera for the purposes of sexually gratifying other people.
	Peanut V. Correct.
	Is there anything to you?
	Just to be crystal clear, Crystal.
	It is not prostitution.
	In my own definition, no.
	Okay.
	Well, we can move on from there.
	Guys, we put the TTS on pause temporarily to allow the conversation to play out.
	I'm going to allow quite a few TT.
	We're going to let all the TTSs come through.
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	That's not true, though, based off of Christianity, though.
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	She just punched her head three times and has said her butt hurts three times.
	She says you are not telling the truth.
	I'm going to pause the TTS temporarily here.
	So you guys might find this interesting because you guys got into it with that chick who's sitting there.
	So I received a DM.
	I don't know if there's any validity to this.
	It could be whatever.
	The DM said, let me actually just pull it up because I don't want to misquote it.
	In regards to that girl, again, don't know the validity here.
	He says, I found three videos of this Jesse chick where she is having carnal knowledge with different men in each video.
	Her face and tattoos are there with pictures.
	And she claimed there's no videos of her because she was kind of digging on you because you do porn.
	And she was saying, I don't do that.
	But this guy DM'd me saying there's like videos with three separate.
	I don't know if it was three videos or three separate men.
	She's a hypocrite.
	Three videos.
	With three videos having carnal knowledge with different men in each video.
	So three different men.
	That's why she was so offended because she knew that she was a hypocrite.
	But she's rich.
	But she's rich, so it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, she was definitely a troll.
	She's definitely like, she knows what she's doing.
	What if she's doing it to her?
	It doesn't matter because she's so rich.
	Well, honestly, the issue was, it actually was kind of entertaining and funny.
	But then when she started getting a little too aggro and like sticking her finger in people's faces, and then like, but like calling, what did she say?
	Like she called this girl ugly or something like that.
	She called her too far.
	She's like, you're gonna rip her earrings out of her earrings.
	Yeah.
	It's taking it too far.
	She took her eyes on her.
	I was like, fix your eyeliner first.
	Like, if she's in a troll, she can make it entertaining without like an obsession with this chick's eyeliner.
	Well, because, okay, so like her eyeliner, like the black was increasing.
	Like, dear God.
	That's what it looks like she did.
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	Rate yourself 1 to 10.
	Megan Fox at peak is 10 also.
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	Okay, rate yourself 1 to 10.
	Megan Fox peak is 10.
	Like I said earlier, a 3 compared to Megan Fox.
	What about you?
	Zero.
	Okay.
	Morgan?
	6.5.
	Okay, Morgan.
	All right.
	Maddie?
	Like, 4 or 5.
	Okay.
	What are we compared to Megan Fox, Andrew?
	You have to compare it to like some hot guy.
	That one guy that's on 15.
	Who?
	Doesn't change my answer.
	It's the guy.
	Who's like the hottest guy in the world?
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	Stop compartmentalizing it.
	Just because a camera is on doesn't mean you stop being a young.
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	All right.
	Bro, come on.
	It's the same.
	I can't.
	Andrew, did you say you were like a man-ho when you were younger?
	Did you say that?
	Or maybe for the purpose of an argument.
	Oh, I'm not going to confirm or do that.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
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	Can you read this, Maddie?
	A solo in-person prostitute sells sex one at a time.
	A porn video.
	Sart prostitutes themselves in mass.
	One ways worse.
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	How do you feel about that, Selena?
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	Younger generations are pronouncing words based on the spelling they see.
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	I didn't say woman, though.
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	Oh, well, Paladin beat me last time.
	He hasn't beat me this time yet, though.
	Guys, if you want, get your last-minute messages in.
	We're going to wrap up the show here pretty soon.
	Just to kill of Cyril, I'm very sorry.
	That totally slipped my mind.
	So, most embarrassing dating story.
	I think that's what it was.
	I do.
	Let me just double-check really quick.
	Didn't you say that the most embarrassing one you had was the highway?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you already told it.
	Yeah, she told it already.
	And you told it.
	Yeah, she told hers too.
	The guy with the prostitute.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Who was smashing the prostitute?
	Oh, and then when I was in the hospital, he also rented a hotel room for like a week and said he was at work.
	But whatever.
	And had Tinder plus.
	Bro, he looks like Sid the Sloth from Ice Age.
	Most embarrassing.
	He's at home.
	Bebo?
	Most embarrassing moment you've experienced on the date.
	Okay, that's the question.
	Morgan, most embarrassing experience?
	I don't really think I have an embarrassing moment.
	I don't know.
	Morgan's just perfect.
	I don't really go.
	I didn't really call him that many dates.
	Maddie?
	I don't think I've dated that much either.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	Andrew?
	Pretty normal.
	Andrew, this is your baby with your black ex-wife, and you're just going to disregard it.
	Child abuse.
	What most embarrassing?
	Dating.
	I'm not getting into it.
	Oh, plead the fifth.
	I've got a couple.
	I've probably got a lot.
	I've probably had so many I've forgotten about some.
	Let's see.
	One time a girl started like meowing, like was meowing.
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	If you want Selena to stop, just remind her that because of her job, she'll be wearing diapers in her 40s.
	She vibrated.
	Wait, what?
	Shibati.
	She is.
	She.
	She is.
	She.
	Yeah, I was on this date with this girl.
	She started like she wanted to be a cat.
	And I was like, I can try, but I don't know.
	Like, it wasn't your kink or whatever.
	Look, I'm open-minded.
	But she started trying to, like, she acted like a cat and was like licking her paws and shit.
	I don't know.
	It was like first time, too.
	I was kind of like, this is a lot.
	Too freaky.
	What about the eggs?
	That was pretty, huh?
	I would have gotten the ig.
	It was a chick, though, so whatever.
	Big of the past, I guess.
	Low paladins donated $20.
	According to a cross-seat that I saw on the whatever podcast, your opinion only matters if you have the most money.
	Therefore, I went, Andrew.
	Can't argue with that logic.
	That's fair.
	That's true.
	Most money wins argument.
	Fair.
	Yeah, that's how that works.
	That's how that works.
	I won't be able to do it.
	According to her, according to Middle Earth, $20,000.
	A million and million.
	She's like, you don't have a million in the bank.
	I'm like, chill, Johnny since donated $20.
	Selina, what's the going rate for a babysitter?
	23 an hour.
	Period.
	Actually, I've done real babysitting.
	That's not an awesome.
	Have you shot with?
	Yeah, but what's the going rate for a babysitter?
	Oh.
	Is it like a thousand bucks a day?
	How many kids?
	What?
	The kids referencing fast food.
	Right, like, okay, so let's frame it a different way, right?
	How much per day to have a pizza delivered to your house you can't pay for?
	No, I'm not playing this game.
	I played the fib.
	Okay.
	Wait, she does prostitution?
	Billiam Feymos donated $20.
	For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous, that is, an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ in God, Ephesians 5.5.
	Selena, I think you should make a commitment on the Whatever podcast that you're going to quit doing porn and OnlyFans.
	I do not accept.
	I do not accept.
	You're young enough now.
	Have you walked away from it now?
	Time release underscore one donated $20.
	Which intervention saved Trump from the projectile?
	If God saved Trump, then did God also sacrifice firefighter Corey Confertor?
	I'd assume that manifestation would be more in the devil's wheelhouse.
	Okay.
	Is that a hypothetical?
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	You had something?
	Yeah, I was saying if you quit now, you got a good chance.
	You actually do have a good chance that it'll get buried and people won't care.
	And that at 25, the man that you get together with, who has all those traits that you want, right, won't care.
	It was 19.
	It was a phase.
	I was really young and I was stupid.
	But every year that goes by.
	Couldn't I just say that at 22?
	You could.
	Every year that goes by, the results get worse and worse and worse.
	I'm not even saying it's good now, but it's still going to be better now.
	Right?
	So like, think of it this way.
	If your kid said, your son says, my mom shot 10 porn scenes, that's pretty bad.
	But if he says, my mom shot 10,000 porn scenes, it's a lot worse, right?
	I mean, not really, because wouldn't the whole context be 10 to 10,000 just to one?
	No, no, but wasn't the whole context that like the job in the first place?
	So like I'm already in deep, so I already have a less chance.
	And like if my kid finds it, like blah, blah, blah.
	So like it's the same thing.
	Like, oh, I see.
	You know what I mean?
	Your feet get caught on fire.
	Don't put it out.
	Might as well let the whole body go up.
	Might as well.
	No, but like based off of like, you know, what you were saying, like, isn't it just as bad?
	Like, who cares how many scenes it is?
	Bad, but I'm telling you, the distinction between I was 19 to 19 and did this to I was 19 and 30 and did this is night and fucking day.
	Night and day.
	I don't know.
	I don't feel shame for my job, honestly.
	Yeah.
	Selena, I have a very good relationship with the assistant manager and Chick-fil-A in Santa Barbara.
	I will get you a job.
	No, I've already worked in fast food, actually.
	In-n-Out ain't that bad.
	I've worked at, hey, don't starve with me.
	Is corn easier than working at In-N-Out Burgers?
	That's a tough job.
	In-N-Out.
	That's a hard job.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Is corn easier than that or harder?
	I mean, I don't know.
	It depends the person, I guess.
	You.
	Do you think it would be easier to work it in and out or based off of me?
	Okay, I used to work at a fast food restaurant.
	Which one?
	Honestly, I feel like working at the fast food restaurant was probably easier.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	But like, I also had a lot of friends.
	What job have you had that's harder?
	Honestly, dude, the hardest job was...
	She did roofing one summer.
	I've had a lot of jobs.
	What was the hardest?
	What was the hardest job?
	The hardest job was working at Walmart before porn.
	I was like a shopper, you know, like with those little baskets, like the personal shoppers.
	And like they were so picky, like just like the department of like the requirements.
	Like it was very, like, that was definitely more stressful than my job now, in my opinion, in my experience.
	You poor thing.
	I'm sorry that you had to work as a shopper at Walmart.
	Was it air-conditioned?
	Yeah.
	Air-conditioned.
	It was nice.
	Very cold in the freezer section.
	It's terrible.
	Terrible.
	Check was donated $20.
	Yeah, thank you.
	You do realize that to parent your kids better means not to allow them to do it in the first place.
	I'm a legal adult.
	I'm a legal adult.
	Yeah, I didn't ask you, though.
	What does your dad think about what you do?
	Low palate is donated $20.
	Easy money is an addiction.
	Don't be lazy.
	Yes.
	You have to work harder at other jobs for the same money.
	It's worth it.
	What does your dad think about your job?
	He and my mom support me because they love me.
	You know, I'm their kid.
	You know, they love me.
	Yeah.
	Hang on.
	Let's untangle two concepts here.
	I'm not disputing that your parents love you because you're their kid.
	I'm asking what they think about your job in corn.
	Well, at first, my parents were like, girl, what the fuck?
	Like, obviously, you know, very not with it.
	And then, I don't know, I feel like now, especially my dad, like, he does accept it only because, like, as long as I am safe, you know, and I am, you know, he just like wants me to be happy.
	So if doing porn makes me happy, like, he'll support me, you know, like a dad should.
	Like, you should support yourself.
	Now, let me ask you a different question, just real quick.
	I've always wondered this.
	I've always wanted to ask somebody this.
	Do you have a problem with people who have fetishes?
	And so they watch corn for the purpose of fulfilling that fetish?
	Do I have a problem with people with fetishes?
	And that's why they're watching corn because they want to fulfill the fetish?
	I don't have a problem with people with fetishes, just as long as those fetishes aren't like, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm not going to get into like what fetishes I like and don't like.
	Sure.
	But it's like, I don't disagree with fetishes because everybody has their own like niche.
	So you walk in.
	So you walk in one day and your mom and dad are watching a corn and it's of you.
	What would your reaction to that be?
	That's disgusting.
	Really?
	I thought you didn't have any problem with fetishes.
	But you didn't say for me to narrow down the fetishes.
	You only said, do you have a problem with fetishes?
	Why would that one bother you?
	What if they were watching somebody else's daughter?
	Well, but your example is in the context of incest and I don't believe in incest.
	So you think that people who watch incest porn, that fetish is no good?
	I mean, to each their own, it's not my business to determine.
	Well, then if it doesn't bother you, why would it bother you if your parents were watching it?
	Because it's not my fetish, right?
	So you do agree that people are going to be watching your corn for the purposes of some type of sexual ratio.
	Of course, that's why, you know, most of the concepts are like.
	So what would your actual objection be to your dad if your dad was watching you for the purpose of sexually gratifying himself?
	My objection?
	I mean, it's disgusting.
	It's incest.
	I don't, I don't know.
	Yeah, I mean, it gives you the ick, right?
	But I mean, you could be taking it up the rear and in a porn, and I'm sure that that would give your dad the ick, right?
	Or your friends the ick.
	So the ick isn't a very great argument, right?
	So I get that it would give you the ick.
	Would he actually be doing anything wrong, though?
	Like, he just walked in, he was just going at it.
	He was just really hammering himself while he was watching your pornography.
	What would actually be your objection to this?
	I mean, it would just disgust me.
	That's it.
	I don't believe in like incest.
	And would you tell him that he should stop?
	W, Selena.
	Would you tell him that he should stop watching your corn?
	Yeah, because it makes me uncomfortable.
	So then when your dad came to you and told you to stop doing it because it made him uncomfortable, how come you didn't heed him?
	But he's not involved in it.
	You're making a concept where you're not involved in him doing that.
	You're merging the concepts where it's like my porn and him are in the same concept.
	In this case, they are.
	My work doesn't affect him because him fapping to your work doesn't affect you.
	It does.
	It affects my emotional.
	And it affects his emotional.
	I mean, I never denied that, like, I mean, I never denied that, you know, he, you know, wants me, like, it's the best thing he wants for his kid.
	But at the end of the day, I just think it's really weird that you think it would be gross for him to fap to you, right?
	But at the same time, when he comes in and says, I think it's really gross that other men fap to you, that you just dismiss that.
	But that's completely fair, though.
	Because, I mean, like, you're bringing up a concept in the context of incest, which I don't believe in.
	And none of my family members believe in that, to my knowledge.
	So it's just not realistic.
	In the context of him.
	But, like, if the challenge was the context of him, because I feel like most people think that, like, if like, let's say I'm a parent and my kid does sex work, I'm not going to, like, cut off my kid because they do sex work.
	Like, I love my child.
	Like, I'm their parent.
	I'm always going to love them.
	Yeah, whatever.
	But I mean, how much love does your kid have for you if they're going to shame your name by doing sex work?
	It doesn't sound very loving to you.
	I don't use my name.
	I have a stage name.
	Yeah, you have a name.
	I have a name, but I use a stage name.
	You do share your parents' name.
	So I'm not shaming my parents.
	Do you share your parents' last name?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so my stage name doesn't bring shame to their name.
	Do you think that because you're a robber and you wear a face mask, nobody can identify you, that it doesn't shame you or your parents that you're robbing because nobody can tell who you are?
	Doesn't that seem a little odd to you?
	It's like, haha, you can't, you don't know who I am, therefore there's no problem.
	But that's in the context of a crime, which is being a thief.
	No, it's not crime.
	I'm talking about shame.
	It's still shameful crime or not, right?
	So the thing is, is like, how much can you love your parents?
	How much can you love your parents if you shame them?
	I mean, you could throw out.
	You don't have to mean that.
	You could throw out the context.
	Like, let's say I didn't do porn, right?
	And my parents were very religious, you know, whatever religion, and I didn't believe in their religion, wouldn't that bring just as much shame to their family?
	No.
	Because it's not agreeing with their values, right?
	It doesn't agree with their values, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be shameful.
	There can be all sorts of positive don't agree with the value.
	So, for instance, what you're talking about here is shameful in that context.
	How?
	Because, from, I don't know, like, again, I'm not like the religion expert, but from people that have come from highly religious families that don't agree with that religion, their family will turn their backs on them and, you know, shame them for not agreeing with their religion.
	So, it's still shaming the family in that context.
	It's the same thing.
	Maybe, but do you think that they would prefer that you didn't believe in their religion or you took random strangers' D's in your ass?
	It's all up to your own personal morals.
	Yeah, which do you think?
	But it's still shame, right?
	What do you think most people who are fathers and have little girls would prefer?
	That they go, Dad, I'm having a crisis of religion, or dad, I'm going to have random strangers F me up the A. Which do you think they'd prefer?
	Not porn, obviously.
	Exactly.
	So, I never disagreed with that.
	I was just saying, like, in the context of the world.
	There's some element of shame here.
	They're not going to be equal in category.
	I mean, whatever.
	Again, I feel like it's all about morality and like the individual family's morals, in my opinion.
	Okay.
	I'm going to let the TTS's come through, then we got to wrap the show.
	Pinkerton 7 donated $20.
	$100K, I am from Jersey.
	$100K, let's go $100K.
	You ugly, I had AC section.
	I am from Jersey.
	$100K, B for Life.
	$100K, I had A C section.
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	Aunt Vet donated Arshi Mei Yuan.
	I meant Shisengu Shilium and together on the same account.
	Where were your minds?
	Faced in reality?
	Keys.
	Okay.
	That was cool.
	President Joe Biden donated our shime yuan.
	Hello, my beautiful, handsome son Andrew.
	I'm his Q very much and I'm sniffing you and taking showers with you.
	When are you and Dracula, my smoking, hot-looking grandchildren, going to visit me?
	What the?
	Christian donated our shimmery and that spring shame back and show people the truth.
	Spiritual wealth is more important than material wealth.
	Matthew Liogian Shijio Fenjiang AI Shi I recommend these verses for a good read.
	Thank you.
	Low Paladins donated $20.
	Call to action for Brian.
	Will you commit today on this podcast to stop being lazy, stop snacking between meals, stop fasting, and get back into shape?
	Not because it is easy to do.
	I got it, but because it is right.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	I'm working on it.
	I have to bring context.
	Incest is disgusting, but she has seen she calling the male actor daddy.
	Sorry, stepdaddy.
	So, also, second girl has a tuno.
	Will she commit to close it and stop?
	No, I don't know if that's not.
	She doesn't have an OnlyFans.
	Selena's dad donated $20.
	Don't listen to him, honey.
	I'm a big fan of your work.
	It's the best stuff out there.
	You're the best in the biz, believe me.
	Thank you.
	The Stoic Roman donated $20.
	Selena, would you have sex if almost 80,000 people were watching you live in the Flavian amphitheater and if the emperor gave you a thumbs down, you would die?
	Huh?
	What the hell is the word emperor?
	Low paladins donated $20.
	Choosing to eat meat during Lent is not the same thing as eating sausage on camera.
	Right.
	But it was in the context of bringing shame to the family.
	I don't think that you're going to bring shame to the family.
	Bring shame to the family, right?
	Ulysses the Pagan donated $20.
	The value of Virgenti, Andrew, was right.
	My wife's and I's 32nd anniversary is in two weeks.
	We both went in as virgins.
	The only woman I've been with.
	Quality over quantity.
	Total love and faithfulness.
	Type donated $20.
	Some guide math for you thoughts.
	If you have 10 bodies and the average dick size is 6 inches, then you've had 5 feet of dick run through you.
	50 bodies.
	Isn't that like an old joke from that one YouTuber?
	Now imagine how many pumps.
	Gross.
	Bro, wasn't that a joke from that one YouTuber like 10 years ago?
	I forgot his name.
	And he did like the calculation.
	I don't know.
	I think there's a Silicon Valley episode where they did something like that.
	But they're trying to determine like the maximum.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	I've seen that one before, though.
	Go, guys, like the video.
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	Drop us a follow on the Prime sub if you have one.
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	Selena's dad donated $20.
	Selena, we're from Polish descent.
	You eat all the sausage you want.
	It brings no shame to Polish.
	We're so proud.
	Okay, so you're sure you're not Polish?
	No.
	Are you positive?
	Yes.
	Back to Twitch really quick, guys.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drops a prime sub.
	Wizards, thank you for the Prime Man.
	Appreciate it.
	I think he fixed it.
	I think he got it unbugged.
	Thank you, guys.
	Can we get, guys, before we wrap the stream, can we get to 81,000 followers?
	PPC in the chat.
	81, that's 60, like 60 followers.
	Can we get 81,000 followers, guys?
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	Appreciate you guys.
	Thank you all for watching over there on Twitch.
	We also need to really quick, just before we head out here, guys, we launched, me and Andrew launched a program, debate university.com.
	The link for that is in the description.
	The course is Verbal Combat, 80 plus videos, six hours of Andrew teaching you step by step how to be a master debater.
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	Cream 3.14 donated $19.99.
	Destiny loves to eat me Uh Okay Damn Okay, cool What does that mean?
	Oh, cause that, yeah, cause of that thing.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, okay, Xander, thank you.
	We need morals to run the show.
	Okay, thank you, bro.
	I think that's pretty much it.
	What?
	Am I ready for what?
	Raid.
	Oh, raid.
	Okay, yeah, we'll do a Twitch raid.
	We're going to raid.
	We are going to raid S-Fan TV.
	Let me just double check, though, make sure there's nobody else.
	And we're going to wrap.
	So if you want, get your last-minute TTSs in.
	Thank you guys so much for all the patronage tonight.
	Really appreciate it.
	You guys are legends.
	Like I said, almost all our videos are getting demonetized, like the little yellow thing.
	So we are viewer supported.
	So really appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you.
	Just want to make sure.
	Yeah, okay.
	We're going to do S-Fan TV.
	He's playing Street Fighter VI.
	Guys, when you go over there, tell him whatever raid's coming and tell him he should come on the show.
	We'd like him on the show.
	He's a World of Warcraft paladin legend.
	Okay.
	Check was donated $20.
	Of girls has no morals.
	It's all about me, Oh, and don't shame me because it's my life, not my family's.
	You can shame me.
	I don't care.
	Okay, you can shame me.
	Me, It's beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	Can you harmonize?
	Me, You ready?
	One, two, three.
	Me, me, It's good.
	Um, so, oh, noted that donated $20.
	What do you think is weirder?
	A father subscribing to his daughter's or a daughter subscribing to her father's both weird.
	It's gotta be way weirder for the daughter to be.
	Yeah, that's that's like big fetish right there.
	That's crazy.
	That's wild.
	How is that fucking weirder?
	They're both, they're both like the shit ever, dude.
	They're both terrible, but I feel like it's way weirder.
	Yeah.
	Lol Paladins donated $20.
	Don't shame her.
	I bet she is into that sheet.
	Yeah, don't.
	Yeah.
	Don't.
	All right, Lol Palace.
	Let me pause it just temporarily so I can get those raid out.
	But if you want, you can still get your TTS in.
	So, GG, well played to the panel.
	Those of you who, the two of you who fucking made it to the goddamn end.
	Yeah, OG.
	Not a lot made it to the finish line.
	Can we get some W's in the chat for Selena and Cece for making it to the end of the show?
	I don't think this is rare.
	W, so we want Welena.
	I want to see Walina in the chat.
	And I want to see.
	I don't know.
	Just W Cece, I guess.
	Okay.
	So GG, well played.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Your patronage means the world.
	Like I said, you know, a lot of these recent streams are just a lot of them, even past ones, just demonetized.
	So I appreciate your patronage.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Maybe we might even do something.
	I don't think we're...
	No, I don't think we're doing anything.
	I think I think Selena should have football.
	Dating Talk will be back at 5 p.m. Pacific.
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	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07 is in the chat.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Give me just a moment to get this raid out.
	Hold on.
	Nick, can you pull a class fans?
	I love Street Fighter.
	Tell him he needs to come on the whatever podcast, okay?
	With Kyle.
	All right.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I'm going to send the raid right now.
	Like, what is it?
	It's throwing me off so much, man.
	I have Photoshop open.
	No wonder.
	I have Photoshop open.
	I keep getting lagged, but he's like, what is going on?
	That's on the other side.
	Yo, thank you for the raid.
	What's up, guys?
	I was doing a little bit of light for me, too.
	I was doing a little bit of Street Fighter at the end of the night.
	Yo, what's up, guys?
	Do the podcast.
	Frick.
	Dude, how many of these things I've opened?
	Whatever is.
	I remember talking to whatever, like, when was the first time it's time?
	Like, 2019 or something?
	About.
	Yeah, it was like classic wild stuff.
	It's the first time we were talking to him.
	All right.
	You're talking about all kinds of classic wild stuff because I think whatever grew up going wild.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's all right, guys.
	And then let me just allow.
	Okay, no TTSs.
	I think we're good.
	Oh, Nick, there's some supers.
	I think this one?
	Yeah, I pulled that up.
	Josh didn't pop up.
	Josh?
	Are you sure?
	Or wait, when did this come through?
	I'll check for you really quick, Josh.
	Okay.
	let me see what's going on here you're gonna have to nick can you keep an eye in the in the youtube chat just Just ask for his name.
	Like what his PayPal or what his email or what his username was for how he donated.
	Oh my God, why is it taking so long?
	I don't know when you sent it, man.
	If you want, send me an email after the show.
	We'll get it sorted.
	Okay, guys, thank you so much again for tuning into the show.
	It was an interesting one.
	A little hectic there, just a little complications with guests and stuff.
	But thank you guys for watching.
	07's in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	Thanks for the two champagne pops.
	That was awesome.
	Yeah, thank you, Gerald.
	I don't know if you're still in the chat, but that was very generous of you.
	And thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Also, the mic mutes, too.
	That was helpful.
	I mean, it didn't stop her, but he tried to mute her mic twice.
	I mean, it did get her to leave, so that was kind of nice.
	She was going fucking gonzo, that chick.
	That was crazy.
	Okay, well, thanks again for watching, guys.
	I goes, I sorry, stroked out.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	Wait, sorry, hold on.
	Okay, just wanted to make sure there were no TTS.
	Okay, guys.
	Hope you guys have a really good night.
	We'll see you on Tuesday.
	Good night, guys.

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